| 00:00.02 | smoser | phorce1, you just need to send the literal ctrl-a through the first, to the second and so forth. |
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| 00:00.02 | smoser | it is weird. |
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| 00:00.38 | ugexe | i have to reinstall windows which will take over the MBR. What is the easiest way to reinstall grub? |
| 00:00.54 | zinx | ugexe: grub-install |
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| 00:01.15 | phorce1 | smoser: I need to rename the machines "1" "2" "3" ... And set the CTRL char to CTRL-1 CTRL-2 ... heh |
| 00:01.17 | zinx | ugexe: or you can put grub on a floppy |
| 00:01.29 | zinx | ugexe: and use 'install', i believe |
| 00:01.48 | ugexe | zinx: will grub auto find the windows and linux stuff and make its own config or do i need to copy one i have now? |
| 00:02.03 | zinx | ugexe: grub-install will auto-find.. install won't. |
| 00:02.11 | zinx | ugexe: grub-install requires that you're already booted, though |
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| 00:02.34 | ugexe | i take it i need to run grub-install from linux though... should i use a knoppix cd to do that? |
| 00:02.50 | zinx | you should probably figure out how to boot your current install via a disk, or rescue CD :) |
| 00:02.53 | phorce1 | ugexe: boot from rescue CD after win reinstall to re-run grub |
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| 00:03.13 | ugexe | phorcel: the debian CD has a rescue mode? |
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| 00:03.32 | phorce1 | ugexe: yep. At the boot prompt type 'rescue' |
| 00:03.54 | phorce1 | test it out before you do the wipe |
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| 00:05.02 | phorce1 | ugexe: actually, it will probably be more like 'rescue root = "/dev/hda2"' or some such. It's been a while. |
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| 00:05.48 | phorce1 | ugexe: Boot the install CD and hit F1 -- there should be some help for rescue mode |
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| 00:05.54 | directhex | ugexe, with woody, use rescue root=/foo/bar. with sarge, load the installer, change to VT2, and mount your regular / and /boot & chroot into them. then grub-install /dev/foo |
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| 00:06.12 | mrwill | is it possibly to get logrotate to rename files to something descriptive when it rotates them? |
| 00:06.21 | ugexe | directhex: VT2? |
| 00:06.30 | PerfDave | mrwill: man logrotate? |
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| 00:06.39 | directhex | ugexe, press alt-f2 |
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| 00:07.25 | phorce1 | mrwill: What's not descriptive about the original names? Be confusing to have them named something that they're "not". |
| 00:07.37 | mrwill | PerfDave: this isn't mentioned in the manpage, my experience with the package is that it uses sequential numbers by default, log.0, log.1, etc |
| 00:07.45 | ugexe | directhex, and chroot into them... what does that mean |
| 00:08.09 | mrwill | phorce1: well, if logs are rotated on a monthly basis, I'd rather they be named log.feb, log.apr, etc. |
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| 00:08.54 | phorce1 | mrwill: Ahh. I tend to glance at the "last modified" date for that. |
| 00:08.55 | directhex | ugexe, chroot /mnt/foo /bin/bash |
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| 00:09.30 | mrwill | phorce1: that's a perfectly legitimate way of doing it, but I'm preparing these logs for people who won't know what that is. |
| 00:09.35 | gino | what is better for security and/or stability of a server *sigh* system: using stable with backports - stable with some newer packages from sarge (apt pining) - using testing (sarge) - using unstable (sid) |
| 00:09.36 | directhex | ugexe, loads a new shell, with /mnt/foo as /, so you can access files on /mnt/foo as if you had loaded it properly. in this casew, you can use grub-install |
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| 00:09.50 | phorce1 | mrwill: hehe -- gimme a sec. searching now. |
| 00:09.54 | directhex | gino, you really don'w want to mix woody with sarge/sid |
| 00:10.04 | comp_problem | whats the minimun power in watts needed for athlon 2600 ... can i use 300w power source? |
| 00:10.07 | gino | i have done that |
| 00:10.21 | njan | comp_problem, I have an athlon XP running with 350watt.. |
| 00:10.28 | directhex | comp_problem, the processor? about 60 watts i think# |
| 00:10.29 | njan | comp_problem, and it's way underusing that.. |
| 00:10.32 | mrwill | phorce1: I guess it comes to down to whether I can use backticks to put the output of a date command in the 'extension', extension can be specified according to the manpage. |
| 00:10.54 | comp_problem | njan will it work if i use 300w ? instead of 350? |
| 00:10.59 | gino | apt pining does work quite reliable if setup properly |
| 00:11.07 | njan | comp_problem, one way to find out :) |
| 00:11.08 | mrwill | phorce1: I may just try it, worst thing that can happen is that it won't work. |
| 00:11.20 | directhex | 68 watts for the cpu. |
| 00:11.30 | directhex | comp_problem, i suggest going to http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/ |
| 00:11.33 | shingouz | comp_problem: you also have to consider how many other things take power out of the psu. how many drives and so on.. |
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| 00:11.53 | paulswm | The CPU usage of power is minor compared to the other hardware |
| 00:12.03 | cafuego | AAAAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! |
| 00:12.12 | directhex | paulswm, depends on the processor. 130W for a pentium 4 is significant |
| 00:12.12 | comp_problem | ther eis just the hard driver, and floppy thats it |
| 00:12.25 | cafuego | Some *fucking* spammer has been using [radomstring]@mydomain to send spam. |
| 00:12.26 | directhex | comp_problem, you have no motherboard or RAM or graphics card? |
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| 00:12.54 | comp_problem | there is graphics card, and ram off course |
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| 00:13.01 | paulswm | directhex: Yes but you're not going to get a power supply < 170 watts more than that anyway, surely |
| 00:13.06 | mrwill | phorce1: huh, looks like it won't... oh well. |
| 00:13.14 | Phated | cafuego: Kill, kill! |
| 00:13.31 | phorce1 | mrwill: Already found a page that states that won't work <grin> |
| 00:13.43 | mrwill | phorce1: yeah, me too, apparently I'm not the first to have this idea. |
| 00:13.46 | cafuego | Now I'm getting bounced from tards without SPF. |
| 00:14.02 | paulswm | That sucks |
| 00:14.03 | directhex | paulswm, 110W for a top of the range geforce, 130W for a top of the range pentium, start adding things like disk drives & memory, you're using a lot of power |
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| 00:14.25 | Zap-W | if i have 4GB of ram do i still need a swap partition |
| 00:14.31 | mrwill | phorce1: still, this page is encouraging http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/08/msg04714.html |
| 00:14.32 | ugexe | directhex, so mount /dev/hda / && mount /boot boot chroot / && chroot /boot ? i dont understand mounting boot |
| 00:14.36 | vijay | Hi everyone, Debian is great, I am a new user. :) |
| 00:14.43 | petemc | cafuego: i dont use spf, but i wouldnt send bounces back to you either |
| 00:14.45 | phorce1 | mrwill: You could post-process them to change the extension as here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/08/msg04714.html |
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| 00:14.55 | phorce1 | mrwill: hehe |
| 00:14.58 | cafuego | petemc: A couple or US isp's do. |
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| 00:15.10 | paulswm | directhex: Yes, I understand. That's why the CPU power usage is of minor significance once you add up all the other stuff. Perhaps I didn't express myself too well. |
| 00:15.10 | mrwill | phorce1: ha... thanks, I may do that... |
| 00:15.11 | phorce1 | mrwill: same google search obviously |
| 00:15.22 | petemc | nice |
| 00:15.26 | Phated | Go cafuego. |
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| 00:15.32 | mrwill | phorce1: yep, well, that gives me some ideas. gotta go, thanks. |
| 00:15.35 | directhex | ugexe, no. you mount your linux disks to e.g. /tmp/foobar and /mnt/foobar/boot. chroot handles making those mounts appear as if they're el;sewhere |
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| 00:15.52 | directhex | */tmp/foobar and /tmp/foobar/boot |
| 00:16.00 | Trewas | paulswm: processor can easily take half of the power consumption of the whole computer, not really minor part |
| 00:16.30 | directhex | Trewas, it could, but in that instance a 300w power supply is sufficient. |
| 00:16.45 | paulswm | Trewas: Like I said, perhaps I didn't express myself too well, and perhaps because I'm running a lot of hardware on mine. |
| 00:16.45 | directhex | paulswm, of course, a decent stable reliable voltage is the main concern, not the wattage |
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| 00:16.55 | Trewas | directhex: yeah, even pentium4 can't take more than 110W |
| 00:16.57 | paulswm | directhex: Indeed :) |
| 00:17.21 | cafuego | SHeesh, that's more then my vacuum cleaner. |
| 00:17.39 | directhex | Trewas, 130 for the newest models |
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| 00:18.24 | Trewas | hmm, actually they are listed at 115W in http://users.erols.com/chare/elec.htm |
| 00:18.33 | Speedy2 | One critical point is that the processor's average power draw may not be extreme, but it's transient draw is HUGE |
| 00:18.38 | Speedy2 | That really taxes a power supply. |
| 00:18.39 | FR500 | hello |
| 00:18.48 | Zap-W | how much swap space for 1GB of ram KDe , and mozilla-firefox and some mp3 players , 2.6 kernel |
| 00:18.53 | Speedy2 | Antec's TruePower is good power supplies. |
| 00:18.56 | Speedy2 | err are |
| 00:19.09 | cafuego | Zap-W: in between 128 and 512Mb |
| 00:19.12 | directhex | Zap-W, 512mb |
| 00:19.20 | FR500 | are there some generic opengl drivers or something? |
| 00:19.34 | directhex | FR500, yes, for software rendering (too slow to use) |
| 00:19.35 | FR500 | my card is veeery slow with linux |
| 00:19.45 | Trewas | then again that list does not include max power dissipaton Žor pentium4s so it might really be more tha |
| 00:19.46 | directhex | FR500, what's the card? |
| 00:19.56 | FR500 | a trident cyberblade xp |
| 00:20.00 | FR500 | it's a laptop |
| 00:20.06 | directhex | FR500, pfft. no 3d for you |
| 00:20.10 | FR500 | dang |
| 00:20.14 | Speedy2 | phorce1: Dude, you'll need a shit load of power. Do the HDDs offer staggered starting? |
| 00:20.36 | ryushe | I've been reading the man page for lilo.conf, but I can't seem to find the specifications for the bmp-colors option, ie. what the colors are specified in (rgb?) |
| 00:20.44 | directhex | there's the age-old power supply which seems to work awfully well |
| 00:20.48 | directhex | *power supply test |
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| 00:21.27 | phorce1 | Speedy2: It's a test box and I only killed power supplies when I added the xtra 4 drives <grin>. I stuck a 500W in there to take care of that in the future. |
| 00:21.28 | bob2 | hrm |
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| 00:22.21 | directhex | stick a power supply on some weighing scales. chuck it out if it's not heavy |
| 00:22.58 | neko` | or just get a good brand |
| 00:23.04 | neko` | cafuego: antec owns |
| 00:23.10 | cafuego | neko`: Indeed. |
| 00:23.14 | disposable | directhex: that's exactly how i test speakers. didn't know it worked with psus :) |
| 00:23.16 | phorce1 | my mail server here has a 450 in it now just because it was cheap. I'm still gonna repair the old PS and put it back in service. The fan went out and it was like that for at least 3 weeks. You could almost cook on the case and it never faltered. |
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| 00:23.41 | directhex | cafuego, not a q-tec i hope |
| 00:23.45 | cafuego | it powers 6 DVDRWs, 3 HDDs, a BFO gfx card and an amd64. |
| 00:23.57 | cafuego | directhex: No, TruPowerdiNo, it's an antec TruPower |
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| 00:24.07 | directhex | cafuego, that'll do, then |
| 00:24.22 | Trewas | I just ordered a new computer, case is antec slk3700bqe 350W , not that there wiull be anything very hot inside (amd64 3000+, 6600gt) |
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| 00:24.36 | MMXcr | hi i need some help |
| 00:24.38 | cafuego | Oh, and a bus powered usb2 drive |
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| 00:24.50 | disposable | MMXcr: what a useless sentence |
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| 00:25.14 | streuner | !ask |
| 00:25.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 00:25.16 | cafuego | things weighs a fucking ton <heh> |
| 00:25.49 | MMXcr | disposable: ok, I whant to install Debian on line, but the ISO have password to burn it on a CD |
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| 00:26.06 | NewpZ | hi i have about 200 kernels installed as .deb... how do i query on my installed packages so i can remove the ones im no longer using? |
| 00:26.08 | phorce1 | Antec is excellent -- unless you're me. I've owned many mid-range (not cheapest, but not Antec) power supplies. I bought ONE Antec case with PS and the PS ate my system. Toasted a motherboard, cpu, and RAM. Only the cards survived. |
| 00:26.21 | streuner | MMXcr: what kind of iso is that? |
| 00:26.31 | paulswm | NewpZ: dpkg -l |
| 00:26.35 | NewpZ | thanks |
| 00:26.45 | cafuego | NewpZ: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 00:26.50 | MMXcr | disposable: it's at this site http://people.debian.org/~blade/boot-floppies/netinst-full-pre/?M=A |
| 00:27.05 | joost | Hi.. I'm using Debian unstable with kernel 2.4.27-2-386 (kernel-image). I've loaded the pwc (Philips webcam) usb module. I'm using motion and it shows green picture.. Should I use newer kernel 2.6.x with newer pwc kernel driver? |
| 00:27.14 | NewpZ | ahh only 7 |
| 00:27.17 | MMXcr | disposable: they came on zip file whith password |
| 00:27.19 | disposable | MMXcr: iso has a password? don't understand. you've downloaded the ISO, haven't you? |
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| 00:27.54 | cafuego | phorce1: Ha. http://www.cafuego.net/melty_kahlua.png |
| 00:27.56 | directhex | MMXcr, you're making an external web server? |
| 00:28.08 | disposable | MMXcr: download an official iso image. these peoples' creations often have bugs. |
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| 00:28.17 | streuner | MMXcr: in case you didn't know it, /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 00:29.11 | MMXcr | directhex: no actually I whant to install Debian on a MMX 200 to learn how to make a server |
| 00:29.16 | streuner | MMXcr: you want use that as server or desktop? |
| 00:29.28 | streuner | s/as/for a/ |
| 00:29.39 | MMXcr | streuner: as server |
| 00:29.50 | MMXcr | streuner: whith out X server |
| 00:29.54 | phorce1 | cafuego: I was too pissed to take it apart. Consolation was that I had actually just bought it and took it to the place of purchase. They insisted it was my MB that went bad and stuck theirs in to test -- POOF! |
| 00:30.02 | streuner | MMXcr: if you wanna only learn, just use d-i (sarge) |
| 00:30.05 | Renan_ | someone can help me? |
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| 00:30.35 | Ven0mSevenX | hello everyone |
| 00:30.39 | shingouz | Renan_: not unless you tell us what the problem is |
| 00:30.43 | MMXcr | streuner: but i need to install debian on that machine i do not have debian yet |
| 00:30.48 | nSe | do anybody know a good real time translator? something like babylon for windows... ? |
| 00:30.58 | Ven0mSevenX | i must say debian is the best distribution ive ever come across |
| 00:31.21 | streuner | MMXcr: the advantage of d-i is its one iso and have the essential packages on one CD... |
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| 00:31.33 | Renan_ | I need to install wine on my debian, but i dont know how to make't |
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| 00:31.42 | directhex | Renan_, apt-get install wine |
| 00:31.45 | shingouz | Renan_: apt-get install |
| 00:31.46 | shingouz | yea |
| 00:31.55 | Ven0mSevenX | haha |
| 00:31.58 | Ven0mSevenX | its just that simple |
| 00:32.05 | Ven0mSevenX | *hugs computer* |
| 00:32.06 | streuner | MMXcr: but netinstall might be good as well (/msg dpkg netinstall) |
| 00:32.14 | Renan_ | yes, i've made it.. but have errors |
| 00:32.35 | Renan_ | Invoking /usr/bin/wine.bin ... |
| 00:32.37 | Renan_ | No configuration file detected. |
| 00:32.37 | Renan_ | /usr/bin/wine.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 00:32.45 | Renan_ | sorry for flood :P |
| 00:32.59 | Ven0mSevenX | install winesetuptk |
| 00:33.12 | Ven0mSevenX | apt-get install winesetuptk |
| 00:33.21 | MMXcr | streuner: ohhh i see, that i download from debian.org |
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| 00:34.11 | Ven0mSevenX | once you do that, run winesetuptk and then you'll be able to use wine |
| 00:34.37 | Eclipser_ | but don't come whine here when it doesn't work :) |
| 00:34.49 | phorce1 | phated: how does one go /away without spamming the channel with irssi? (that was my main reason for leaving off with BX. |
| 00:35.01 | Renan_ | ommer:~# apt-get install winesetupk |
| 00:35.02 | Phated | phorce1: It's off automatically. |
| 00:35.04 | Renan_ | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 00:35.04 | Renan_ | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 00:35.04 | Renan_ | E: Couldn't find package winesetupk |
| 00:35.07 | directhex | phorce1, put a color code in your away script |
| 00:35.12 | Phated | phorce1: Er, I mean by default. |
| 00:35.12 | Renan_ | tk.. sorry :P |
| 00:35.17 | disposable | winesetuptk |
| 00:35.17 | Eclipser_ | phorce1, irssi doesn't inform channels of you going away |
| 00:35.31 | Eclipser_ | by default at least |
| 00:35.38 | directhex | test |
| 00:35.41 | Renan_ | is already installed |
| 00:35.47 | directhex | hm, +c works funny on freenode |
| 00:35.47 | Phated | So run it... |
| 00:35.50 | streuner | directhex: failed |
| 00:35.57 | Eclipser_ | what |
| 00:36.00 | Eclipser_ | what's +c |
| 00:36.08 | phorce1 | Phated, directhex Eclipser_ : thanks |
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| 00:36.20 | Phated | :) |
| 00:36.20 | Ven0mSevenX | what is this "Eclipse" i keep hearing so much about |
| 00:36.28 | directhex | Ven0mSevenX, a java IDE |
| 00:36.33 | Ven0mSevenX | ah... |
| 00:36.38 | bob2 | Eclipser_: www.freenode.net > using the network |
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| 00:36.40 | Eclipser_ | also suitable for other languages through plugins |
| 00:36.42 | disposable | Renan_: just open a terminal and launch winesetup |
| 00:36.53 | Ven0mSevenX | *downloads* |
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| 00:37.21 | Renan_ | im accessin' the debian via ssh.. i need accessing in graph mode? |
| 00:37.27 | bob2 | bah |
| 00:37.37 | bob2 | people naming themselves after projects they have nothing to do with is highly annoying |
| 00:37.52 | directhex | i prefer the quakenet method of handling +c |
| 00:38.01 | Eclipser_ | I named myself way before Eclipse was out there:< |
| 00:38.02 | directhex | bob2, i apologise, i'm not really a microsoft API |
| 00:38.06 | Ven0mSevenX | is there an equivalent of kdevelop for gnome? |
| 00:38.11 | bob2 | hahah |
| 00:38.19 | directhex | Ven0mSevenX, not as sophisticated, that i've found |
| 00:38.30 | Eclipser_ | I hated it when Eclipse started to get popular |
| 00:38.36 | Eclipser_ | my highlights went nuts |
| 00:38.52 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:38.52 | Ven0mSevenX | hmm... |
| 00:38.57 | disposable | Renan_: whom are you asking? and about what? |
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| 00:39.12 | Eclipser_ | erm |
| 00:39.18 | Eclipser_ | why am I here with this name o.O |
| 00:39.27 | directhex | Renan_, yes. and it might help if you're runnign windows apps if you're able to run things displayed in windows |
| 00:39.33 | streuner | Eclipser: a sort of disadvantage if you become popular :-P |
| 00:39.37 | Renan_ | I wanna install wine.. yes.. its installed.. but when i execute it, i receive a error message |
| 00:39.40 | Renan_ | :/ |
| 00:39.50 | technoMyst | gah |
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| 00:39.56 | technoMyst | been compiling courier for the past 30 mins |
| 00:39.56 | bob2 | Renan_: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1" print out? |
| 00:39.58 | technoMyst | just failed;; |
| 00:40.02 | bob2 | technoMyst: why? |
| 00:40.06 | Phated | Renan_: Run winesetup. |
| 00:40.08 | Renan_ | im already has executted winesetup via VNC |
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| 00:40.12 | disposable | Renan_: have you successfully configured it with winesetup? |
| 00:40.18 | Phated | Well... Pft then/ |
| 00:40.20 | Renan_ | yes |
| 00:40.24 | Eclipser | streuner, I do my best to keep people far away from me :) |
| 00:40.29 | disposable | Phated: people have told him that already a couple of times |
| 00:40.29 | technoMyst | bob2: /bin/sh: line 1: cd: /tmp/courier-0.47/debian/tmp/usr/bin: No such file or directory |
| 00:40.30 | bob2 | um |
| 00:40.31 | bob2 | come on people |
| 00:40.40 | technoMyst | i was doing dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:40.42 | bob2 | linker errors are not going to be resolved by running winesetup |
| 00:40.46 | bob2 | technoMyst: why? |
| 00:40.47 | jetair | When new builded kernel-2.6.8 boot,i recieved"Cannot find /lib/module/modules.dep ...Kernel Panic...(AMD64,nforce3,silicon sata chipset,2xSATA HD),how can i config linux/.configf? |
| 00:40.54 | streuner | Eclipser: exeptions making the rules |
| 00:41.12 | technoMyst | i needed compile options that differed from the deb on the repository |
| 00:41.21 | technoMyst | im installing courier-imap with qmail and vpopmail |
| 00:41.30 | directhex | jetair, why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 00:41.35 | Eclipser | was there a split in freenode at somepoint or something? |
| 00:41.37 | bob2 | technoMyst: hahaha |
| 00:42.05 | disposable | Renan_: and what is the exact error message you're getting? |
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| 00:42.26 | Renan_ | /usr/bin/wine.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:42.38 | jetair | becoz when build and install nVidia driver,it said wrong kernel version ...somth like that |
| 00:42.59 | streuner | Renan_: well, the ways of 'wine' are mysterious ;-) |
| 00:43.02 | Eclipser | I think I need to tidy my beard, it's full of tangles :< |
| 00:43.05 | disposable | Renan_: hang on |
| 00:43.19 | Renan_ | disposable, what? hehe |
| 00:43.26 | Renan_ | streuner, yes :P |
| 00:43.40 | streuner | Renan_: google for, there might be a new version out, but not in the debian mirrors |
| 00:43.45 | directhex | jetair, you were using nvidia-installer/ |
| 00:44.18 | Renan_ | hmm.. ok hehe. |
| 00:44.20 | Renan_ | i'll see it |
| 00:44.22 | baroni | Hello all. Does anybody knows someway to get the subtitle of a DVD bigger when playing it using xine, mplayer or ogle ? |
| 00:44.22 | Eclipser | Renan_, find / | grep libntdll.dll.so |
| 00:44.43 | baroni | Is there some way? |
| 00:44.45 | disposable | Renan_: www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2001/05/0012.html |
| 00:45.02 | disposable | Renan_: next time google it up yourself |
| 00:45.02 | directhex | baroni, you can't. dvd subtitles are a video stream overlaid over the existing material, not text |
| 00:45.28 | Eclipser | disposable, thanks, you just saved me the trouble to explain that which I suspected has happened :) |
| 00:45.48 | directhex | !tell jetair about msg |
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| 00:45.50 | baroni | directhex: yeah.. you are right. Is there some way to get that by ripping , recognize the text using some ocr, and then play it with a bigger subtitle so? |
| 00:45.53 | Renan_ | disposable, oh, thnks.. i was lookin for hehe |
| 00:46.11 | disposable | Eclipser: :) we both used to be like that, admit it :) |
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| 00:46.17 | directhex | baroni, yes, buit i've not found an adequatre tool for linux, and i failed in my attempts to port a decent windows one. Kylix is scary. |
| 00:46.17 | FR500 | hellp |
| 00:46.25 | FR500 | can anyone help me |
| 00:46.41 | streuner | FR500: no - not until you ask. |
| 00:46.43 | baroni | directhex: uhm.. thanks |
| 00:47.10 | FR500 | i use ubuntu, i recompiled my kernel for hibernation support, now my wireless is broken, it worked out of the box |
| 00:47.13 | jetair | i'm sorry, |
| 00:47.23 | streuner | FR500: /topic |
| 00:47.23 | FR500 | a guy told me to coy my original kernel config first |
| 00:47.23 | directhex | FR500, so ask #ubuntu |
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| 00:47.38 | FR500 | well, thanks |
| 00:47.55 | FR500 | sorry |
| 00:48.00 | directhex | baroni, if you have access to a windows machine, subrip is a most effective tool |
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| 00:48.19 | jetair | i'm first here... |
| 00:48.39 | jannol | Anyone tried GNUstep ? if so, what do you think ? |
| 00:49.06 | streuner | jannol: there is a channel for |
| 00:49.11 | directhex | jetair, you haven't answered my last question somewhere i respond to, i.e. in here |
| 00:49.18 | streuner | jannol: try #gnustep |
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| 00:50.50 | jannol | streuner, ok |
| 00:50.53 | baroni | directhex: uhm.. does it run on wine? |
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| 00:51.24 | nSe | do anybody know a good real time translator? something like babylon for windows... ? |
| 00:51.37 | streuner | ding |
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| 00:51.42 | Eclipser | dong |
| 00:51.45 | streuner | german <> english |
| 00:51.55 | directhex | baroni, no, not quite. l;ast i tried, the OCR capure box was about 2px too small in all dimensions, so failed to pick up most letters |
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| 00:52.15 | magHi | what's a good name for a software company ? |
| 00:52.15 | jetair | directhex,sorry for that,i builded nvidia driver by source code,because i thought installer was 32bit and cannot be excuted. |
| 00:52.18 | baroni | directhex: uhm.ok, thanks |
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| 00:52.28 | baroni | nSe: babytrans |
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| 00:52.33 | directhex | jetair, you're on what arch? |
| 00:52.41 | magHi | specifically security |
| 00:52.44 | streuner | nSe: i saw it at marillat's website babytrans |
| 00:52.57 | jetair | directhex,pure64 |
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| 00:53.16 | ron_ | ? |
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| 00:53.24 | directhex | jetair, and you've compiled your own kernel? you didn't use make install with it did you? |
| 00:53.58 | Eclipser | sleep time for me I think |
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| 00:54.17 | jetair | directhex,yes.i copyed bzImage and initrd by myself,and do not know if it right |
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| 00:54.30 | directhex | jetair, you fucked up totally. |
| 00:54.56 | Eclipser | |
| 00:54.59 | Eclipser | whops |
| 00:55.01 | magHi | take out the assert from gstobject.c |
| 00:55.10 | jetair | directhex,mean i did wrong?how should i do then?thx |
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| 00:55.48 | directhex | jetair, ask dpkg about kp |
| 00:55.54 | directhex | infact |
| 00:55.57 | directhex | !tell jetair about kp |
| 00:55.58 | nSe | streuner: babytrans is the best you know know on translating? |
| 00:56.07 | Coax | does enybody know a program that you can use to change alsa sound level somethig like 'alsavolume +5' |
| 00:56.22 | directhex | this is ENTIRELY unneccessary, you do NOT need to build your own kernel, especially to use nvidia |
| 00:56.23 | streuner | nSe: no idea, haven't installed it yet |
| 00:56.31 | infodroid | jetair: i would also read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 00:56.40 | directhex | Coax, i worked it out, but i forgot it again. some long string with alsactl i expect |
| 00:56.54 | Eclipser | Coax, something wrong with alsamixer? |
| 00:57.01 | jetair | thx all, i'll do ti |
| 00:57.08 | jetair | thx all, i'll do it |
| 00:57.20 | directhex | jetair, but really, DON'T compile your own kernels. use the debian kernels |
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| 00:57.27 | directhex | !tell jetair about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:57.28 | Eclipser | directhex, bullshit |
| 00:57.33 | prock | why does exim4 take so long to load =( |
| 00:57.54 | Eclipser | compiling new kernel is one of the best use of time |
| 00:58.00 | infodroid | i must admit "starting MTA" on boot up started taking longer than usual a couple months ago |
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| 00:58.33 | borourke | I'm doing a fresh install of Debian. The installation is asking for my mouse port, but I'm using USB, which isn't listed. Any idea what to do? |
| 00:58.34 | infodroid | prock: i dunno but i noticed |
| 00:58.45 | MMXcr | streuner: what it's the differense on vanilla-3.0.23-netinst.iso, compact-3.0.23-netinst.iso & bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso |
| 00:58.45 | prock | is there a way to get it to start loading in the background instead of making everything else wait for it? |
| 00:58.47 | nextime | can anyone ping 213.198.155.1 pls ? |
| 00:58.48 | Coax | Eclipser: it's for a shortcut key, so alsamixer don't work, at least not mine... |
| 00:58.51 | directhex | !tell borourke about devinputmice |
| 00:59.02 | jetair | directhex,thx,i'll try now |
| 00:59.07 | nextime | ( from outside italy ) |
| 00:59.27 | MMXcr | streuner: what i should choose? |
| 00:59.32 | streuner | MMXcr: you should read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
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| 00:59.46 | Eclipser | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.54 | Phated | nextime: Working from here. |
| 01:00.01 | nextime | Phated : tnx |
| 01:00.06 | MMXcr | streuner: ok but i'm on win platform right now |
| 01:00.08 | Eclipser | aaanyway |
| 01:00.08 | nSe | streuner: seems that babytrans isn't very up to date: "It use only the old dictionnary format (.dic) and do not handle (yet) the new format (.bgl/.dat)." should i try to emule babylon under wine? |
| 01:00.10 | Eclipser | -> sleep |
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| 01:01.21 | MMXcr | streuner: sorry i have along time whith out use irc |
| 01:01.27 | streuner | MMXcr: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html 4.4.2 |
| 01:01.54 | shingouz | MMXcr: if youre going to install as fresh install on basic IDE hardware, get the bf24 imho |
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| 01:02.12 | MMXcr | streuner: thaks |
| 01:02.22 | FieldySnuts | @lart scoxe |
| 01:02.40 | shingouz | that was a precision lart |
| 01:02.44 | cafuego | MMXcr: if youre going to install as fresh desktop install, get the sarge iso. |
| 01:02.45 | MMXcr | shingouz: what is bf24 imho?? |
| 01:02.55 | shingouz | In My Humble Opinion |
| 01:03.01 | MMXcr | cafuego: ok |
| 01:03.30 | streuner | MMXcr: (b)oot(floppy)2.4 kernel |
| 01:03.32 | cafuego | MMXcr: it's newer and just about stable, so it'll work great. |
| 01:03.33 | MMXcr | cafuego: actually i whant to make a server |
| 01:03.52 | shingouz | MMXcr: that is stable enough |
| 01:03.52 | cafuego | MMXcr: Ok, for a server go with woody, as shingouz and streuner suggested. |
| 01:03.55 | MMXcr | streuner: that's on line install?? |
| 01:04.03 | shingouz | yup |
| 01:04.09 | MMXcr | cafuego: thanks |
| 01:04.17 | streuner | MMXcr: everything is in debian via i-net |
| 01:04.23 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok let's rock |
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| 01:04.50 | ali7288 | hey |
| 01:05.03 | disposable | does anyone here by any chance happen to have an image of tinfoilhat linux floppy? their page ain't working. |
| 01:05.06 | ali7288 | i run apache2 and the default directory is in /var/www/apache2-default |
| 01:05.08 | ali7288 | how do i change this? |
| 01:05.27 | shingouz | MMXcr: the only reason i know of to use the compact flavor is if you are going to install on a compaq smartarray 2 hardware scsi raid but that is pretty much off-topic in this case (i hope) |
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| 01:06.19 | cafuego | shingouz: Don't mention that hardware out loud near me, please ;-) |
| 01:06.19 | FieldySnuts | heh compaq |
| 01:06.29 | jetair | I recieved FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.8-10-amd64-k8/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format |
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| 01:07.03 | shingouz | cafuego: it installs very nicely with the potato compact but woody is missing the cparray.o from the installer ;) |
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| 01:07.05 | FieldySnuts | you're probably trying to use the 32 bit drivers with a 64 bit kernel and 64 bit environment |
| 01:07.16 | jetair | yes,i think so |
| 01:07.34 | cafuego | shingouz: Actually, potato didn't use to actually contain the /dev/ida/* devices, so it didn't work either. |
| 01:07.36 | jetair | should i rebuild my kernel? |
| 01:08.01 | shingouz | cafuego: the compact flavor did. done it and have the scars to prove it |
| 01:08.03 | FieldySnuts | no, get the 64 bit nvidia drivers. i don't know how myself |
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| 01:08.20 | cafuego | shingouz: No, it didn't. I had to file a bug report to get 'em included. |
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| 01:08.39 | shingouz | cafuego: sec, i'll give you a link as soon as i find it. brb |
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| 01:09.10 | MMXcr | shingouz: I read about Netinst & mini, but i try whith netinst |
| 01:09.26 | shingouz | MMXcr: that is the better choice |
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| 01:09.55 | c4_ | why does /ignore someguy doesn't work? |
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| 01:10.13 | bob2 | it does |
| 01:10.13 | cafuego | c4_: /ignore someguy all |
| 01:10.21 | jetair | FieldySnuts,if i download source and build in 64-bit system works? |
| 01:10.22 | c4_ | why does /ignore someguy all doesn't work? (sorry) |
| 01:10.35 | shingouz | cafuego: http://www.cpqlinux.com/ps486deb22r3.html |
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| 01:10.44 | aurax | hello |
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| 01:10.49 | peterS | c4_: this is a client-specific question. that is, it totally depends on what irc program you're using |
| 01:11.02 | simonrvn | c4_: /ignore -replies foo |
| 01:11.11 | simonrvn | (irssi) |
| 01:11.18 | c4_ | bitchx |
| 01:11.25 | bob2 | haha |
| 01:11.25 | cafuego | shingouz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=88226 |
| 01:11.29 | bob2 | #bitchx |
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| 01:11.48 | cafuego | jetair: Yes. Use the nvidia-* packages from non-free to build the module, it will work just fine. |
| 01:11.53 | aurax | where can i change the idebus=xx ? |
| 01:11.54 | c4_ | bob2: no one in the land no one , like sid barret sayed |
| 01:12.09 | bob2 | c4_: then use a less annoying client which you can get help with |
| 01:12.09 | ali7288 | i run apache2 and the default directory is in /var/www/apache2-default |
| 01:12.15 | ali7288 | does anyone know how to change this? |
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| 01:12.23 | c4_ | bob2: he |
| 01:12.27 | bob2 | ali7288: why? |
| 01:12.27 | c4_ | i mean |
| 01:12.29 | jetair | cafuego,thx,i'll try that now.. |
| 01:12.30 | cafuego | ali7288: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/* |
| 01:12.30 | c4_ | eh |
| 01:12.34 | simonrvn | ali7288: means you need to open a text editor |
| 01:12.38 | c4_ | grrrR |
| 01:12.47 | jakjak | owch |
| 01:12.48 | shingouz | cafuego: i still have one of the old prosignias here. hasn't been running in quite some time but it still boots off the raid. your bugreport was filed before i got the servers btw. thanks for getting it fixed before i had to install :) |
| 01:12.50 | jakjak | vim time |
| 01:13.08 | peterS | hmmm, reading smbd/negprot.c - there's a table with protocol strings in it. *and* a function with most of those same strings, that does not use the table but instead uses an if/else if/else if thing |
| 01:13.15 | aurax | anyone knows how to change idebus=xx ? |
| 01:13.20 | shingouz | incidentally the prosignia was my first linux install ever. very much of a pain |
| 01:13.20 | Mr_hawkins | anyone able to help me out whit the debian ati drivers.... for a neewbe like me the jiberish on the ati site dosent make any sense at all |
| 01:13.24 | cafuego | shingouz: Took me a while to figure out what was wrong; the installer *saw* the controller, but not the disk, it was odd. |
| 01:13.30 | cafuego | aurax: Don't bother. |
| 01:13.40 | aurax | why |
| 01:14.03 | jakjak | my brother is |
| 01:14.06 | jakjak | stupid |
| 01:14.09 | infodroid | Mr_hawkins: whats the problem |
| 01:14.13 | streuner | Mr_hawkins: did you read the 'README' yet? |
| 01:14.18 | cafuego | aurax: it' only does something if you run in PIO mode, which you won't be. |
| 01:14.27 | vipersniper | anyone know how to disable 'laptop touch pad" |
| 01:14.28 | shingouz | cafuego: the install is very easy as soon as you can figure it out. if the cpqarray is in the kernel and functioning as it should that is |
| 01:14.31 | aurax | hmm? |
| 01:14.34 | ali7288 | simonrvn: the documentroot is /var/www yet when i have index.php in there it will try to look for it in apache2-default |
| 01:14.35 | streuner | Mr_hawkins: or /msg dpkg ati |
| 01:14.38 | shingouz | vipersniper: in the bios usually |
| 01:14.47 | Mr_hawkins | i read the readme |
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| 01:15.08 | ali7288 | wait nevermind |
| 01:15.19 | cafuego | shingouz: I have the REALLY BAD feeling I'll be installing onto a SMart3 system in the next couple of weeks. |
| 01:15.19 | Mr_hawkins | i am neew to linux so its pretty hard to get it all into understanable terms so to speak |
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| 01:15.43 | streuner | Mr_hawkins: you know where you can find us |
| 01:16.07 | jetair | When build nVidia driver,i recieved the msg"Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support!",but i have disabled rivafb by modconf,is it not enough and should i rebuild the kernel? |
| 01:16.13 | directhex | Mr_hawkins, nothing on ati.com is for you. google for 'debian ati flavio' |
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| 01:16.22 | trunks` | i cant figure out how to get my desktop resolution into 1280x1024, can someone help? |
| 01:16.26 | directhex | jetair, don't use nvidia-installer |
| 01:16.31 | Mr_hawkins | ok =) |
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| 01:16.37 | shingouz | cafuego: i havent tried those yet.. a friend of mine "obtained" a new desktop a couple of weeks back, a quad PPro-200 Proliant 6000 which we will be installing debian on pretty soon, maybe you will hear me swear ;) |
| 01:16.56 | streuner | directhex: i think, the packages at ati are easier to install |
| 01:17.16 | jetair | directhex,i didn't use it,i use ""apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86"" |
| 01:17.17 | streuner | directhex: for a newbie |
| 01:17.21 | directhex | streuner, not particularly, and the result is still slow, unstable, and poorly compatible |
| 01:17.42 | ixce | do i only need 2 cd's to boot debian? |
| 01:17.44 | streuner | directhex: to get a first result its helpful... |
| 01:17.45 | shingouz | cafuego: afaik the cpqarray is *only* in the potato compact disks though. havent checked lately but.. well.. woody didn't have it anymore :( |
| 01:17.59 | Mr_hawkins | ok ill start here and se where it gets me =) |
| 01:18.06 | streuner | ixce: uhm, that would be the best case |
| 01:18.08 | cafuego | shingouz: I think I'll go sarge for it and wing it on the security fixes. |
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| 01:18.18 | trunks` | i cant figure out how to get my desktop resolution into 1280x1024, can someone help? |
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| 01:18.28 | MMXcr | shingouz: what u think about use a MMX 200MHz 32MB for Linux Debian?? |
| 01:18.43 | cafuego | MMXcr: That'll be fine. |
| 01:18.45 | Kupal[] | anyone ever hear about a ppoe server for linux? |
| 01:18.48 | shingouz | cafuego: the remaining prosignia did run sarge way back when already. of course, this is debian after all |
| 01:18.51 | zamolxes | MMXcr: depends on what you intend to use it for |
| 01:18.52 | Flimzy | MMXcr: Debian doesn't support MMX CPUs. |
| 01:18.52 | cafuego | Kupal[]: Yes. |
| 01:18.53 | Flimzy | :P |
| 01:18.55 | streuner | ixce: misread your question, the answer would be for floppies correct |
| 01:18.57 | jetair | MMXcr,run X-window acceptable using fvwm... |
| 01:19.05 | shingouz | MMXcr: that is way good enough, just keep the X-stuff toned down |
| 01:19.10 | streuner | ixce: you need only one CD, of course |
| 01:19.11 | Solet | which dir are programs kept in typically? |
| 01:19.17 | Flimzy | MMXcr: My "router" machine is one of those. |
| 01:19.19 | streuner | ixce: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:19.26 | jordo23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.27 | cafuego | Solet: find / -type d -name bin |
| 01:19.32 | MMXcr | that's the idea with out X |
| 01:19.38 | streuner | jordo23: try 'scrot' |
| 01:19.40 | zamolxes | jordo23: ksnapshot . try #kde |
| 01:19.44 | Flimzy | MMXcr: I think it's acutally a pII/233 w/ 32mb |
| 01:19.45 | shingouz | MMXcr: in that case it will be nice |
| 01:19.47 | Solet | cafuego?? |
| 01:19.51 | Kupal[] | cafuego: can you offer any type of direction, or a project name. Setting up a wisp, that needs to tie into a radius server. Was thinking pptp or ppoe for the auth. Unless someone can think of something better (not nocatauth) |
| 01:19.53 | MMXcr | Flimzy: really, cool |
| 01:20.08 | Flimzy | MMXcr: For most home router machines, a 386 with 8mb is sufficient. |
| 01:20.28 | Flimzy | MMXcr: But, thankfully, 386's are hard to find these days, so few people are forced to use something that slow any more :P |
| 01:20.37 | cafuego | Kupal[]: hostapd, I'm sure, can tie into radius already. |
| 01:20.41 | shingouz | Flimzy: mmx support not in debian? well it does run as we all know |
| 01:20.48 | Kupal[] | hmm.. what about auth? |
| 01:20.58 | cafuego | Kupal[]: What about it? |
| 01:21.00 | MMXcr | Flimzy: i see, yes i need it for a firewall, DHCP server, DB server, and other stuff to experiment on linux |
| 01:21.03 | Kupal[] | duh |
| 01:21.05 | Flimzy | shingouz: I was being sarcastic |
| 01:21.11 | shingouz | :) |
| 01:21.15 | Kupal[] | im so tired man. you said it tied into radius... :( |
| 01:21.20 | jetair | When build nVidia driver,i recieved the msg"Your kernel was configured to include rivafb support!",but i have disabled rivafb by modcon,so what is the point?thx |
| 01:21.21 | cafuego | Kupal[]: ;-) |
| 01:21.27 | Kupal[] | renice kerpal 20 |
| 01:21.29 | Kupal[] | man renice |
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| 01:21.35 | Flimzy | MMXcr: As a home/development DB server it should work. I would never run a corporate database on anything that slow, tho. |
| 01:21.50 | Kupal[] | lol |
| 01:21.51 | Flimzy | MMXcr: Adding more RAM would be the cheapest way to improve performance on that machine. |
| 01:21.53 | shingouz | i think i need some caffeine and maybe a smoke for my sarcasm to kick in. bbiab |
| 01:21.53 | cafuego | Daani: Go away. |
| 01:21.59 | cafuego | DaCoBa: Go away. |
| 01:21.59 | peterS | DaCoBa: don't do that. ever. |
| 01:22.04 | cafuego | Daani: SWhoops, sorry. |
| 01:22.11 | Kupal[] | yeah he is doing it to me too. |
| 01:22.21 | peterS | Kupal[]: it was a CTCP VERSION on the whole channel at once |
| 01:22.30 | vircuser | if you ever try to version me again youre mother will give birth to a goat. |
| 01:22.39 | vircuser | minus an e. |
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| 01:22.43 | shingouz | vircuser: ouch :) |
| 01:22.45 | MMXcr | Flimzy: umm yes it's only i need to buy more memory for a CELERON and actually that machine have a dimm of 64MB |
| 01:22.48 | streuner | DaCoBa: that's a good way to make a lot of sympathies at one time ;-) |
| 01:22.53 | Nurbs_ | vircuser: your work? *g* |
| 01:22.58 | thorie | hello |
| 01:23.09 | DaCoBa | ^^ |
| 01:23.12 | bucky | Kupal[], i think chillispot does |
| 01:23.13 | MMXcr | Flimzy: whith that dimm i put on MMX |
| 01:23.13 | vircuser | stop, i can only impregnate one mother with a goat at a time |
| 01:23.20 | Nurbs_ | haha |
| 01:23.23 | vircuser | right now i have a 30 user backlog |
| 01:23.42 | cafuego | vircuser: I have a spare goat you can borrow |
| 01:23.42 | MMXcr | Flimzy: but i don't have money alredy my car it's at the shop |
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| 01:23.59 | vircuser | cafeuego; these are special goats. |
| 01:24.07 | Kupal[] | bucky: cool i will check into that one too. |
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| 01:24.14 | bucky | Kupal[], http://www.chillispot.org/ |
| 01:24.34 | Leonithas | help! chkrootkit gives me "eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/usr/sbin/pppoe[4136], /usr/sbin/pppoe[4136])". am I hacked??? |
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| 01:24.39 | cafuego | vircuser: sgeigerbot cast-offs no doubt |
| 01:24.41 | bucky | Kupal[], if you don't like it i have a list |
| 01:24.51 | cafuego | Leonithas: No. Just ignore it. |
| 01:24.53 | c4_ | i did: /whois someguy |
| 01:24.56 | vircuser | yes, i sent a goat to sniff your packets Leon |
| 01:25.02 | vircuser | that sounded so dirty. |
| 01:25.26 | c4_ | /ignore *!*@7AFIE88* |
| 01:25.38 | c4_ | and i succesfully ignre him |
| 01:25.44 | c4_ | bye! |
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| 01:25.49 | vircuser | wtf |
| 01:26.02 | vircuser | i swear some of you are on different planets, or speaking to invisible people |
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| 01:26.20 | cafuego | No, seventeen on wednesday. |
| 01:26.48 | Leonithas | cafuego> what is this? it's the first time i see it. i see some ssh attempts in my auth.log and i'm a bit panicked... |
| 01:26.55 | MMXcr | cafuego: it's ur birthday?? |
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| 01:27.16 | cafuego | MMXcr: Nope |
| 01:27.38 | cafuego | Leonithas: it's the pppoe client, which has flipped your ethernet device into promisc mode, which (afaik) is normal. |
| 01:27.42 | MMXcr | cafuego: ok |
| 01:27.49 | MMXcr | cafuego: where u from?? |
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| 01:28.16 | MMXcr | cafuego: ok |
| 01:28.28 | cafuego | Look at the .au on the end of my hostname. |
| 01:28.40 | vircuser | aufweidersehen? |
| 01:28.44 | bucky | another universe? |
| 01:28.47 | ixce | hey can i configure my own kernel when in install debian? |
| 01:28.54 | borourke | I just did a fresh install of woody and got everything running without too much difficulty. Gnome works fine. KDE crashes when it starts "Loading Peripherals". I have a USB mouse and a standard keyboard plugged in. Any ideas? |
| 01:28.56 | cafuego | vircuser: That's not how you spell that. |
| 01:28.58 | nvz | When I install jscalibrator and run it on any of my sarge systems with any usb input joystick it makes me no longer able to move in any games, when jscalibrator shows it working fine. even after removing the ~/.joystick file it creates and purging the package I still cannot get my js to work, even as a different user than ran jscalibrator |
| 01:28.59 | MMXcr | austria?? |
| 01:29.04 | vircuser | cafeugo; don't remind me |
| 01:29.11 | nvz | I dont know what it does, but it screws up boxes :P |
| 01:29.13 | cafuego | austria is .AT |
| 01:29.27 | ixce | anyone? |
| 01:29.32 | ixce | can i configure my own kernel for debian? |
| 01:29.42 | cafuego | ixce: Dunno, can you? |
| 01:29.51 | ixce | well i meant |
| 01:29.57 | ixce | when i install debian can i configure myown |
| 01:30.00 | ixce | or do i have to use the prepackaged one |
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| 01:30.24 | cafuego | ixce: You need to use the prepackaged one DURING install, but you can install any number of custom ones afterward. |
| 01:30.39 | jond3rd | afaik, all linux distros gives you the freedom of customizing kernel |
| 01:30.40 | nvz | I guess I am gonna have to reinstall it and try figure out what the hell it does before I can undo it |
| 01:30.51 | Kupal[] | can a wpa be setup so that you don't need the key? ie. auto-negotiate with the benefit of encyrption vs encryption + network auth? |
| 01:30.54 | MMXcr | cafuego: australia?? |
| 01:31.05 | Leonithas | ixce> you can. see here http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 01:31.06 | cafuego | MMXcr: Indeed. |
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| 01:31.47 | nvz | I just opened jscalibrator to see what the nubers were on my buttons, so I can setup a joymap. though when I run that program it breaks my joystick |
| 01:31.49 | MMXcr | cafuego: hey man im from San Jose, Costa Rica, right now we are at night, it's 7:36pm |
| 01:32.08 | cafuego | MMXcr: Lunch time here, half past noon. |
| 01:32.14 | Solet | what is the syntax of the list command? |
| 01:32.19 | cafuego | Youi guys are *so* behind the times. |
| 01:32.30 | Solet | like if i want to find all files containing *penguin* in the filename |
| 01:32.48 | cafuego | Solet: like that. 'ls *penguin* |
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| 01:33.23 | cafuego | MMXcr: Half past noon *tomorrow* fo you ;-) |
| 01:33.30 | ixce | cafuego: can i jus copy the one i hav right now |
| 01:33.32 | MMXcr | cafuego: i think u are from some place that speak spanish, because fuego at ur nick means fire in spanish |
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| 01:33.48 | Slaper | join #sourcemage |
| 01:33.56 | cafuego | MMXcr: No, I have nothing to do with spanish whatsoever. never been there, don't pseak it. |
| 01:33.58 | jetair | thx all,i have nvidia driver installed,thx |
| 01:34.17 | Slaper | @@ |
| 01:34.18 | ravenbird | @ is probably where it's at |
| 01:34.22 | cafuego | The only spanish I've *ever* used was to order a coffee at Santiago airport. |
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| 01:34.47 | Solet | cafuego: willls |
| 01:34.53 | Solet | oops surry :P |
| 01:34.55 | cafuego | Solet: eh? |
| 01:35.04 | Solet | will ls *penguin* search all dirs? |
| 01:35.05 | dan2 | cafuego: un cafe negro, por favor |
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| 01:35.14 | cafuego | dan2: indeed |
| 01:35.33 | dan2 | cafuego: dunno what espresso is in spanish |
| 01:35.41 | dan2 | cafuego: probably espresso :) |
| 01:35.42 | cafuego | Solet: Nope. For that you need to use 'find'. |
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| 01:35.53 | ixce | cafuego: can i just copy the kernel from my current system and replcae it after i install debian |
| 01:36.03 | cafuego | dan2: 'cafe negro' is espersso as far as I'm concerned. |
| 01:36.07 | Solet | cafuego: what would that syntax be? |
| 01:36.22 | cafuego | dan2: As far as the dude with the easter island statue shop was corncerned too. |
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| 01:36.40 | cafuego | Solet: find . -name "*penguin*" -print |
| 01:36.55 | cafuego | Solet: That check alls dirs under the current directory. |
| 01:37.13 | Solet | cool |
| 01:37.15 | cafuego | Solet: To tweak that, you can change the '.' into '/' to search ALL directories on the system. |
| 01:37.44 | Solet | one last question (for now): is there a site containing a list of ALL possable linux commands and their properties? |
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| 01:38.01 | bob2 | no |
| 01:38.08 | bob2 | that's not possible or useful |
| 01:38.16 | cafuego | Solet: Probably not. You can at any time type 'man <command>' for help though. |
| 01:38.28 | jstevens | Solet: sounds like a book from oreilly |
| 01:38.38 | cafuego | Solet: Take some time to get used to manpage syntax, it's really handy. |
| 01:38.50 | Flimzy | Solet: No. |
| 01:38.58 | Flimzy | Solet: Nobody knows all possible commands. |
| 01:39.06 | Flimzy | Solet: Because you can create your own commands, essentially. |
| 01:39.06 | Solet | wtf... |
| 01:39.07 | shingouz | Solet: o'reilly: linux in a nutshell has a bunch of them, not all but a lot |
| 01:39.09 | jstevens | Solet: not all, but the book has a lot. |
| 01:39.14 | cafuego | Flimzy: Not on *nix, no. |
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| 01:39.19 | Solet | some wone wrote it... so some one has to know all the possible commands |
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| 01:39.24 | vulture | Solet: it's not a closed set, anyone can write a program.. and that's all "unix commands" are. |
| 01:39.35 | DennisR | Damn theres alot of people in here =) |
| 01:39.36 | Flimzy | cafuego: it all depends on your definition of "command", of course |
| 01:39.37 | cafuego | Solet: No, many people whote bits here and there. |
| 01:39.38 | shingouz | Solet: a "command" is any executable |
| 01:39.47 | jstevens | DennisR: :-) |
| 01:39.54 | Slaper | o.o |
| 01:39.55 | jstevens | DennisR: all the time... |
| 01:39.56 | shingouz | ...and there is a shitload of them (pardon my french) |
| 01:39.58 | vulture | Solet: wrote what? one person did not write all unix commands, anyone can write a program, and thus anyone can make a "unix command" and there's no central repository |
| 01:40.07 | DennisR | I just bought a new computer, and I want to do a fresh debian sarge install on this drive that already has debian installed on it along with /home and everything else, I'm not exactly sure how I should go about doing this |
| 01:40.19 | edt | how does one no colors default for ls ? |
| 01:40.23 | Flimzy | Solet: A list of "all commands" in Unix would be like a list of "all possible start and end locations on a map" |
| 01:40.34 | shingouz | DennisR: if it already has debian on it, why reinstall? |
| 01:40.55 | edt | how does one make no colors default for ls ? |
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| 01:41.03 | Flimzy | Solet: I have "commands" on my machine that nobody else in the world has... because I wrote them myself. |
| 01:41.04 | jonathan_ | helo |
| 01:41.07 | cafuego | !tell edt -about repeat |
| 01:41.08 | peterS | edt: in debian, it *is* already the default |
| 01:41.09 | jetair | edt,vi .bashrc,remove the # stuffs |
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| 01:41.10 | Slaper | edt:gooogle |
| 01:41.11 | Piru | Solet, use bash, and hit tab. print the list :) |
| 01:41.21 | DennisR | shingouz: This is an install from about 1998, alot of packages I don't use/don't need, figure start over fresh for this new machine |
| 01:41.22 | jonathan_ | i just installed a fresh a fresh debian testing |
| 01:41.23 | Piru | Display all 2630 possibilities? (y or n) |
| 01:41.24 | edt | vi .bashrc |
| 01:41.26 | Solet | does the |more param always create a scrollable screen for a list that will exceed the screen? |
| 01:41.30 | jonathan_ | but i have got some problems with configuring exim4 |
| 01:41.45 | jonathan_ | i want it to be a smarthost, and i think i configured it as smarthost, but everytime i want to send a mail it says: "Mailing to remote domains not supported" |
| 01:41.55 | jetair | !tell jetair -about repeat |
| 01:41.56 | cafuego | Solet: yes. Also try |less (that can also scroll back up) |
| 01:41.57 | jstevens | DennisR: if you decided to install instead of upgrade, simply backup any files, reformat & install |
| 01:42.01 | Piru | and that isn't including things in root's path |
| 01:42.02 | Flimzy | Piru: that's a lot more than "commands" |
| 01:42.12 | Piru | flimzy, I know. |
| 01:42.16 | jetair | :)repeat |
| 01:42.21 | Piru | flimzy, but usually commands are the thing that are avilable in path. |
| 01:42.28 | shingouz | DennisR: just make the thing boot, edit /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. takes some time and maybe a few dirty small hacks as the old install is *so* old but doable |
| 01:42.28 | Piru | things |
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| 01:42.40 | jonathan_ | can anyone help me? |
| 01:42.41 | borourke__ | Where would I begin looking to find out why KDE crashes when trying to boot with a brand new Debian install? Gnome works fine. |
| 01:42.44 | jstevens | DennisR: but "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" should do it |
| 01:42.57 | shingouz | DennisR: but dont upgrade straight, do is a version at the time to be somewhat safe |
| 01:43.09 | Piru | flimzy, at least that gives you an idea of the currently available commands within your path :) |
| 01:43.11 | DennisR | jstevens: Thats exactly my question. I just bought this new 200G drive, I have all of / on it, no /home partition. I'd like to backup alot of my config files, apache and such, and keep /home intatct |
| 01:43.20 | Solet | piru... that tab thing... is there a way to make that list scrollable? |
| 01:43.24 | DennisR | I already made myself a sarge netinstaller disk |
| 01:43.34 | Flimzy | Solet: it is by default |
| 01:43.38 | jonathan_ | in base-config i configured exim as smart host, so why cant he send mails to remote domains? |
| 01:43.38 | Flimzy | Solet: at least on my system |
| 01:43.46 | MMXcr | cafuego: jeje |
| 01:43.47 | shingouz | DennisR: just connect the thing to the network and dis-upgrade :) |
| 01:43.59 | MMXcr | cafuego: my native language it's spanish |
| 01:44.00 | jstevens | DennisR: personally, I"d do a full install on the new drive, then mount the old drive and copy everything from it that you need |
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| 01:44.22 | DennisR | jstevens: I only have *one* 200G drive |
| 01:44.25 | MMXcr | and yes expresso it's the same a café negro |
| 01:44.25 | drasko | hi all |
| 01:44.44 | MMXcr | drasko: hi |
| 01:44.50 | Ghostbuster | hello |
| 01:44.50 | jstevens | DennisR: and the 200G drive is the one that has the OS install from 1998 ??? that doesn't make sense |
| 01:44.59 | Solet | hey shingouz: wanna help me make my system work with the s3 onboard video? it wont set up right and wont go to the gui |
| 01:45.02 | DennisR | jstevens: yes. |
| 01:45.22 | vulture | DennisR: how did it get on that drive? |
| 01:45.25 | shingouz | Solet: eugh, i hate s3 video.... |
| 01:45.34 | jonathan_ | hmm.. nobody can/want to help me? :( |
| 01:45.53 | Solet | shingouz: i know... no one else could help earlier... |
| 01:45.54 | Slaper | ah |
| 01:45.56 | shingouz | Solet: you might wanna check /var/log/X(whateverthelognameis) |
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| 01:46.25 | shingouz | Solet: tell me what it does/does not and lets see if we can make it work. im no X-expert tho |
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| 01:46.32 | Flimzy | !tell jonathan_ about ask |
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| 01:46.51 | DennisR | vulture: I installed debian potato or woody, with about 200 disks years ago, on my present machine. Since then the drive died and I copied over everything to this new 200G drive I picked up a few months ago. |
| 01:47.09 | vircuser | 200 disks |
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| 01:47.38 | vircuser | that doesnt sound like an entertaining night |
| 01:47.56 | MMXcr | cafuego: i donwload bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso |
| 01:48.00 | shingouz | DennisR: if the install is potato it dist-upgrades nicely. i know, this system used to be potato and runs sid these days, never been reinstalled |
| 01:48.05 | Solet | shingouz: where do you want me to be looking in it? (its quite long) |
| 01:48.10 | shingouz | DennisR: don't go to sid though |
| 01:48.19 | shingouz | Solet: the end of course |
| 01:48.25 | vulture | DennisR: copied over how exactly? |
| 01:48.25 | DennisR | shingouz: I'm using sid right now =) |
| 01:48.30 | shingouz | usually the last line is enough |
| 01:48.54 | shingouz | DennisR: if that is the case and you are nutty enough to run sid, go for it. just dont do it in one huge step |
| 01:49.04 | Solet | (EE) Screen(s) found, but noe have usable configurateion. |
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| 01:49.22 | drasko | A question about apache... When I wnat to test the site I have to put it virtual host on local host ip (that's the only machine available to me)? |
| 01:49.27 | shingouz | Solet: you need to configure the screen, the monitor that is |
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| 01:50.29 | String | Anyone suggest how i can boot a system where lilo is just freezing on "LI" ? Looked up that error and its hardly informative |
| 01:50.41 | jstevens | just access it according to the vhost name... |
| 01:50.49 | bob2 | holycow: stop being such a cock |
| 01:51.00 | shingouz | Solet: get the information on the monitor, refresh rates and resolution that is and run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:51.14 | holycow | bob2, go away |
| 01:51.19 | bob2 | fine |
| 01:51.24 | bob2 | I think you exploded for no reason |
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| 01:51.50 | holycow | excuse me, having a normal, simple discussion is not against their rules |
| 01:52.00 | Solet | umm i have no clue what the specs on the monitor are... is it in the monitor settings crap or on a sticker on the back? |
| 01:52.06 | holycow | if you feel it is, i'm not interested in particapating there |
| 01:52.11 | bob2 | er |
| 01:52.17 | bob2 | no one complained until you used the word "fuck" |
| 01:52.31 | dondelelcaro | why the fuck is this conversation occuring in #debian? |
| 01:52.39 | holycow | exactly |
| 01:52.42 | Slaper | +off |
| 01:52.43 | bob2 | I'm done |
| 01:52.43 | shingouz | Solet: you know who made the monitor and the type of it. google is pretty much the best way to find out the info unless you have the original documentation for the tube |
| 01:52.45 | holycow | if you have something to say msg me |
| 01:52.49 | holycow | otherwise go away |
| 01:52.59 | infodroid | vulture: i couldn't find nothing |
| 01:53.02 | dondelelcaro | holycow: drop it already, please. |
| 01:53.08 | Solet | holy shit... umm shingouz: now its telling me that xserver-xfree86 is not fully installed... it worked earlier but now it doesnt... how do i reinstall it? |
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| 01:53.51 | shingouz | damn... what was the command again... (doing man dpkg) |
| 01:54.09 | infodroid | Solet: what? like dpkg --configure --pending |
| 01:54.17 | dondelelcaro | or just dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:54.55 | dondelelcaro | (-a being the short form of --pending) |
| 01:55.00 | String | Can i boot off any debian net-install CD and attempt to mount a system that lilo has failed on |
| 01:55.00 | String | ? |
| 01:55.05 | dondelelcaro | String: yes. |
| 01:55.06 | Solet | those both return nothing and go to the next line |
| 01:55.09 | bucky | String, i think that mean it can't find the kernel... like you changed your lilo.conf and forgot to run lilo |
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| 01:55.19 | dondelelcaro | Solet: then you have no packages that are unpacked, but not configured. |
| 01:55.23 | hitu | hey how do i patch a file ? |
| 01:55.27 | dondelelcaro | Solet: what exactly is the error message? [paste into #flood] |
| 01:55.31 | Flimzy | hitu: man patch |
| 01:55.35 | dondelelcaro | hitu: patch -p0 < foofile; man pathc |
| 01:55.40 | String | i havent changed kernel or anything though, it just died with a funny noise. suspect HDD error but i cant get past "LI" to find out |
| 01:55.43 | dondelelcaro | s/thc/tch/ |
| 01:55.46 | bucky | String, some you can type rescue root=/dev/hda? |
| 01:55.48 | hitu | ok |
| 01:56.06 | String | wondered if i can boot off the netinst CD and do that (i dont have floppy drive in machine) |
| 01:56.12 | Solet | the dpkg-reconfigure thing worked earlier i configured it 23 ways till sunday trying to make it work.. now it doesnt work |
| 01:56.21 | bucky | String, try it ^^ |
| 01:56.22 | Solet | (i shut down while i was gone) |
| 01:56.41 | infodroid | Solet: its either installed or not installed |
| 01:56.49 | shingouz | Solet: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 01:57.10 | Solet | "_LoaderFileToMem() malloc failed" |
| 01:57.16 | String | burning CD now to try it |
| 01:57.37 | shingouz | Solet: i'll pass this one ;) |
| 01:58.16 | infodroid | Solet: is this in apt, or is this when you startx? |
| 01:58.29 | Solet | thats startx |
| 01:58.52 | infodroid | Solet: well thats a different issue entirely |
| 01:59.19 | Solet | shingouz: what do i use in place of foo? startx? XFree86? |
| 01:59.34 | shingouz | Solet: in this particular case i personally would apt-get remove --purge the stuff and apt-get install it again |
| 01:59.59 | shingouz | Solet: the name of the package you want to perform the action on |
| 02:00.16 | infodroid | Solet: you know that if you modify your XF86Config-4 manually, then if you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 your choices are not written |
| 02:01.09 | hitu | cool |
| 02:01.12 | hitu | it patched |
| 02:01.13 | hitu | thanks |
| 02:03.43 | Solet | in the accual distro disks... which cd contains the non-us stuff? |
| 02:04.12 | shingouz | Solet: the first cd if it is labelled non-us |
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| 02:04.25 | Solet | cool |
| 02:04.35 | disposable | if i want to encrypt a partition. not just to create a loopbackfile (limited to 2gb) but to encrypt an entire (80gb) partition. what's the best way to do that? dm-crypt? |
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| 02:06.05 | shingouz | Solet: dont. just remove the offending packages and install them again |
| 02:06.18 | infodroid | !tell Solet about reconfigure x |
| 02:06.21 | Solet | but i dont know which ones they are |
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| 02:06.40 | Solet | i cant remember the names of the packages i installed |
| 02:07.01 | infodroid | is there a way to grep his package list |
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| 02:07.07 | shingouz | Solet: you dont need to reinstall everything to get X working |
| 02:07.12 | Flimzy | disposable: Why do you need to encrypt 80gb of data? |
| 02:07.14 | Solet | i know |
| 02:07.31 | Solet | but i dont know the names of the packages for X |
| 02:07.34 | String | the sarge netinst iso image cant find kernel"rescue". Any idea of one with it? |
| 02:07.42 | Solet | how do i tell which one is fucking up? |
| 02:07.56 | shingouz | we need a factoid that lists the basic packages for X... |
| 02:08.19 | infodroid | Solet: 1) what is your debian version? 2) what did you install as not part of that debian version? |
| 02:08.21 | disposable | Flimzy: because i'm bloody paranoid :) |
| 02:08.36 | Flimzy | disposable: What kind of data are you encrypting? |
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| 02:08.58 | Solet | infodroid: 1)woody 2) what? |
| 02:08.58 | shingouz | Solet: lemme do some checking, i'll try to figure out how to find out the basics on that |
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| 02:09.04 | disposable | Flimzy: no data whatsoever. i'm encrypting a partition. |
| 02:09.16 | Flimzy | disposable: And you're not storing data on it? |
| 02:09.20 | Solet | encrypting a partition with no data |
| 02:09.20 | shingouz | infodroid: afaik it is pure debian at this point |
| 02:09.24 | bob2 | shingouz: someone should just upload a package called 'x-window-system-core' to do that for you |
| 02:09.35 | shingouz | bob2: thanks |
| 02:09.42 | Flimzy | disposable: If you're encrypting an empty partition, use cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda1 |
| 02:09.45 | MMXcr | what i do whith the downloaded file, i burn it but don't boot in my machine |
| 02:09.47 | shingouz | Solet: see above :) |
| 02:09.47 | Flimzy | disposable: that'll be just as useful |
| 02:09.48 | disposable | Flimzy: eventually. i want to encrypt root partition, home partition, swap partition, everything. |
| 02:10.02 | Flimzy | disposable: Why? to waste CPU bandwidth? |
| 02:10.27 | disposable | Flimzy: no, to be happy that i'm paranoid and safe. |
| 02:10.34 | Solet | he doesnt want his mommy to find his pr0n |
| 02:10.36 | shingouz | disposable: laptop with sensitive data? |
| 02:10.41 | infodroid | Solet: this will help http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-x |
| 02:10.46 | disposable | shingouz: yepp. |
| 02:10.54 | cafuego | disposable: It's just that it'll make I/O *slow* |
| 02:11.04 | Flimzy | shingouz: where "sensative" means "Pr0n" |
| 02:11.07 | cafuego | Let me rephrase that, *SLOW!* |
| 02:11.12 | shingouz | disposable: encrypt the /? damn. it is doable afaik but a pain |
| 02:11.22 | shingouz | Flimzy: yea :) |
| 02:11.31 | disposable | cafuego: don't mind. it's a strong machine. 2ghz centrino |
| 02:11.36 | bob2 | encrypting / seems stupid |
| 02:11.44 | asuffield | disposable: there are few things quite so stupid as encrypting a large quantity of publically available information |
| 02:11.48 | Flimzy | disposable: You should encrypt only the parts with sensative data. Hint: / and /usr should never have sensative data, since they should only contain binaries and such that everyone uses. |
| 02:11.55 | disposable | bob2: to you. to me it encrypts all logs |
| 02:12.02 | bob2 | disposable: so? |
| 02:12.06 | Flimzy | disposable: *if* you have sensative files in /etc (i.e. with passwords in them), you can store them on /encrypted and use symlinks |
| 02:12.08 | cafuego | disposable: it'll make it crawl. Just encrypt the data, not all of / |
| 02:12.10 | bob2 | encrypr /var then |
| 02:12.11 | Flimzy | disposable: encrypting /usr is a HORRIBLE idea. |
| 02:12.20 | maher | disposable: encrypt /var/log and /home then |
| 02:12.25 | shingouz | i saw an article on it in linux journal i think it was. just a month or two ago. skimmed over but didnt read really; very much of a pain to set up |
| 02:12.35 | asuffield | and a measly 2GHz processor will not be able to keep up with a modern hard drive |
| 02:12.39 | disposable | well people we're missing the point here. my motives are my motives. i just wanted to know what to use to encrypt entire partitions. dm-crypt? |
| 02:12.41 | cafuego | disposable: Makign the CPU do a lot of work on an already not-that-fast laptop isn't a great idea. |
| 02:12.42 | Flimzy | disposable: and much of /var should not be encrypted, either |
| 02:12.53 | asuffield | disposable: yes, but the one missing the point is *you* |
| 02:12.56 | cafuego | disposable: it'll eat power like mad |
| 02:13.07 | Flimzy | disposable: your motives are insanity |
| 02:13.23 | cafuego | Face it, you got voted off ;-) |
| 02:13.25 | asuffield | disposable: don't come here expecting people to work for you for free. all you'll get around here are the answers you need, not the ones you think you want |
| 02:13.26 | shingouz | i'll see if i can find the magazine, dont chew him out before i get back ;) |
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| 02:13.35 | disposable | ok, to please you all. how do i encrypt my entire 80gb home partition? |
| 02:13.44 | Solet | does the x gui have a graphical install method on it? or will i always have to install from console? |
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| 02:14.06 | cafuego | disposable: mmap() it, memfrob() it, write it back to disk. |
| 02:14.07 | infodroid | Solet: debconf has a numebr of different front ends |
| 02:14.15 | Flimzy | disposable: tar -cf - /home | gpg -c :P |
| 02:14.28 | asuffield | mounting /home encrypted is vastly easier, because you don't have to boot from it |
| 02:14.32 | infodroid | Solet: X configuration is managed by debconf. you can have gtk, kde, console, frontends |
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| 02:14.36 | hitu | hey .. is this right PATH=/kdedev/kde-unstable/bin:$PATH |
| 02:14.39 | disposable | asuffield: i don't come here expecting people to work for me for free. i come here to help others. and i rarely ask for anything since my machines work like a bliss |
| 02:14.40 | asuffield | just mount it from fstab |
| 02:14.43 | infodroid | Solet: console is default |
| 02:14.56 | hitu | also can i edit it to this PATH=/kdedev/kde-unstable/bin:/bin:$PATH |
| 02:14.56 | hitu | plays Title: ( Xerox & Illumination - Bass Tribe ) Time: ( 0:02/8:01 (0%) ) BitRate: ( 192 kbit/s - 44100 Hz ) |
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| 02:15.08 | shingouz | disposable: cool it, i think i found the magazine, lemme check if it indeed is the correct one |
| 02:15.11 | cafuego | disposable: With decent encryption you're going to be looking at a 500kb/sec throughput rate tops. Do keep that in mind. This means starting a 4Mb mozilal binary is going to take 8 seconds *minimum*. |
| 02:15.11 | peterS | disposable: you get half of what you need just by encrypting your swap and using a tmpfs for /tmp |
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| 02:15.17 | bob2 | hitu: turn that silly script off |
| 02:15.21 | jazzmanss | how do you reconfigure the front end of debconf? |
| 02:15.32 | hitu | bob2: sorry :) |
| 02:15.36 | peterS | jazzmanss: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 02:15.43 | cafuego | disposable: If you're not planning on using decent encryption, just don't bother. |
| 02:15.46 | jazzmanss | ty |
| 02:15.47 | Solet | infodroid: ok i know console is default... the rest of what you said went over my head... can i get a yes or know... can i install from x by clicking (rather than typing a nine million word long command in the console) |
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| 02:15.49 | String | Ive booted into linux with rescue root= whatever.. What do i do to fix lilo? just run it or do i need fsk check or something else? |
| 02:15.55 | Flimzy | disposable: If you have enough data to justify an 80gb home partition, then you really do NOT want to be encrypting it all. |
| 02:16.07 | asuffield | cafuego: mozilla needs to haul closer to 15Mb of data into memory on startup |
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| 02:16.15 | hitu | if u just tell me yes/no i'll move out :P |
| 02:16.24 | Nosf3ratu | Is there a way to tell from which apt source a package is from? |
| 02:16.27 | kingsley_ | I just installed a new mouse with a scroll wheel. What are scroll wheels for? |
| 02:16.27 | Flimzy | disposable: It would make a helluva lot more sense to create a smaller partition that is encrypted, and store data that is actually sensative there, and use symlinks where appropriate |
| 02:16.28 | Nosf3ratu | e.g. ttf-openoffice? |
| 02:16.28 | shingouz | disposable: Linux Journal, Jan 2005, page 62 on by Mike Petullo. www.linuxjournal.com |
| 02:16.41 | infodroid | Solet: yes you can install X by clicking, only if you are running X. OK? |
| 02:16.42 | cafuego | asuffield: Ooh, it'll be like a 486, great! ;-) |
| 02:16.43 | shingouz | disposable: be warned, heavy stuff and you do *not* want to do it |
| 02:16.46 | peterS | kingsley_: not really. you can do 'apt-cache show packagename' and guess from the 'Filename:' field of each entry |
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| 02:16.58 | disposable | look people, i cannot afford a leak of sensitive data about my clients. in my country we have strong laws about confidential data protection. i'd rot in jail if my laptop got stolen. |
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| 02:17.02 | disposable | shingouz: thank you |
| 02:17.06 | cafuego | disposable: Note that cryptoloop is not secure. |
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| 02:17.17 | darkgamer20 | hello everyone i am trying to install vqregister for my email server and i was wondering where the mysql include directorys would be in debian? |
| 02:17.18 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: (and also not limited to 2GB) |
| 02:17.22 | shingouz | disposable: www.linuxjournal.com/article/7865 |
| 02:17.22 | Flimzy | disposable: You have 80gb of client data you carry around on a laptop? |
| 02:17.25 | cafuego | !#! |
| 02:17.25 | dpkg | well, # is HASH DAMMIT, HASH! NO! OCTOTHORPE! |
| 02:17.28 | holycow | Kingsley_ i'll go out on a limb here but i'm guessing "scrolling?" |
| 02:17.31 | holycow | do i win something? |
| 02:17.44 | asuffield | disposable: no, you'll go to jail because you're committing gross negligence |
| 02:17.59 | disposable | Flimzy: if you have 1gb of data do you create a 1gb partition for it? even if it's likely to outgrow it in a matter of days? |
| 02:17.59 | asuffield | not for something outside your control, like having your laptop stolen |
| 02:18.04 | dondelelcaro | whohooo! I'm not limited to 2GB! |
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| 02:18.17 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: *you* are, cryptoloop isn't. |
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| 02:18.33 | MMXcr | cafuego: what i do whith the downloaded file i burn it but don't boot my machine |
| 02:18.35 | holycow | disposable, your privacy laws punish you for being a victim of a crime? |
| 02:18.39 | Solet | disposable: so set a system password, then rig the machine with a few ounces of C4 in a manner that if one attemts to remove the hdd,,, they are blown to hell |
| 02:18.40 | Flimzy | disposable: No. I would create a partition probably 10% larger than the maximum data size is likely to be. |
| 02:18.42 | dondelelcaro | oh no! Synaptic leakage! |
| 02:18.47 | Flimzy | disposable: But I certianly wouldn't encrypt my entire /home directory. |
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| 02:19.07 | kingsley_ | Which application, if any, is supposed to support a mouse's scroll wheel? |
| 02:19.07 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: is that a step up from the one neuron that vorlon says I have? ;-) |
| 02:19.11 | Flimzy | disposable: where exactly do you live, BTW? |
| 02:19.19 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: that's storage capacity, not processing power |
| 02:19.21 | MMXcr | cafuego: i fix the BIOS but dosen't work |
| 02:19.35 | cafuego | MMXcr: Then the iso may be corrupt. |
| 02:19.36 | shingouz | MMXcr: the file you downloaded, it is an iso and you have to burn it "as iso" not as the usual mp3's. |
| 02:19.39 | holycow | kingsley_, again, i'm going on a limb here but any that has a scroll bar? |
| 02:19.40 | disposable | holycow: our privacy laws require us to use some measures of securing the data |
| 02:19.55 | disposable | Flimzy: if i told you, i'd have to killyou |
| 02:19.56 | holycow | disposable, wow, how unfortunate for you |
| 02:20.01 | Flimzy | disposable: A password isn't considered "some measures"? |
| 02:20.07 | MMXcr | shingouz: came into a rar file |
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| 02:20.13 | Flimzy | disposable: Okay, now any last bit of credibility you had is gone. |
| 02:20.14 | MMXcr | shingouz: not iso file |
| 02:20.16 | disposable | flimzy: measures equivalent to importance of the data |
| 02:20.19 | holycow | disposable, do they have standards for this of any kind? this sounds so incredibly unfair and arbitrary |
| 02:20.36 | shingouz | MMXcr: where the *hell* did you get it from in anycase? that sounds like warez to me |
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| 02:20.44 | infodroid | disposable: you can't be paranoid in the abstract - think about WHO your attacker/hackers are and rank the security threats, deal with each level. |
| 02:20.45 | asuffield | disposable: and instead, you are using grossly insecure measures. you are so going to get locked up |
| 02:21.00 | disposable | holycow: look standard is using NTFS and an encrypted windows folder. and don't you force me into that! :) |
| 02:21.09 | MMXcr | shingouz: no http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 02:21.10 | darkgamer20 | hello everyone i am trying to install vqregister for my email server and i was wondering where the mysql include directorys would be in debian? |
| 02:21.11 | kingsley_ | holycow: It doesn't scroll an xterm with a scroll bar, at least on my box. Does it on yours? |
| 02:21.23 | Flimzy | disposable: So if I borrow my neighbor's lawn mower, I have to lock it in the garage, and also put trip wires around my office cubicle to protect the lawn mower? |
| 02:21.34 | holycow | disposable, i'm so sorry to hear that slovakia has the same types of nimrods in power makind technical decisions that we have here |
| 02:21.41 | MMXcr | shingouz: that's from the official debian.org site |
| 02:21.42 | disposable | asuffield: no, i'm currently using losetup. but that has the 2gb size limit. |
| 02:21.55 | asuffield | disposable: so your current setup has no appreciable security either |
| 02:22.02 | dodol | Anybody ever experiencing a happy ending with conexant USB modem ? |
| 02:22.02 | shingouz | MMXcr: that is not the official install image afaik |
| 02:22.10 | disposable | holycows: well, travel through another bouncepoint and you might eventually get to me :) |
| 02:22.16 | holycow | kingsley_ hehe :) i'm just buggin' ya, it scrolls my gnome terminal, not xterm no |
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| 02:22.26 | MMXcr | shingouz: DOUH |
| 02:22.31 | disposable | asuffield: how come? enlighten me |
| 02:22.38 | shingouz | MMXcr: ? |
| 02:22.45 | MMXcr | shingouz: i find out something the winrar can open .iso files |
| 02:22.52 | MMXcr | shingouz: DOUH |
| 02:23.01 | Flimzy | disposable: Remind me never to borrow anything from you of any value. It's not worth handcuffing my children to the wall heater to keep your belongings "safe" |
| 02:23.29 | holycow | disposable, what country is this? i'd like to put that on my 'of dubious interest' list |
| 02:23.35 | shingouz | MMXcr: yea i can see that but.... you want to install debian on the computer you have? why not use the sarge netinstall disk? that is the easiest way to install in anycase |
| 02:23.35 | asuffield | disposable: encrypting the entire filesystem secures you against no even theoretically possible threats, and doesn't secure you against any actual threats. it's a computationally expensive no-op |
| 02:23.38 | disposable | flimzy: :) |
| 02:23.48 | disposable | holycow: :) |
| 02:23.49 | MMXcr | shingouz: jeje that's working |
| 02:23.57 | multi_io | look at this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/FWr1pO94.html |
| 02:24.03 | shingouz | MMXcr: excellent |
| 02:24.05 | multi_io | is this a bug in the package system? |
| 02:24.08 | String | how do i run an fsck check? it doesnt want to run on a mounted file system for obvious reasons. Boot cd again ? |
| 02:24.15 | asuffield | Flimzy: more like attaching handcuffs to the wall heater, but not to the children |
| 02:24.20 | MMXcr | shingouz: yes i whant to try netinstall actually |
| 02:24.24 | disposable | please SOMEBODY, ANYBODY tell me DOES DMCRYPT encrypt whole partitions? pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease |
| 02:24.25 | Flimzy | String: boot to single user mode |
| 02:24.31 | Flimzy | asuffield: hehe |
| 02:24.32 | bob2 | disposable: stop being annoying |
| 02:24.37 | bob2 | disposable: you can find it out trivially |
| 02:24.41 | sandu | hi! anyone who could tell me what cand I do to allow normal users to mount cdrom and floppy in my debian sarge? in /etc/fstab, under the options it is specified user,noauto, however when I try to mount as normal user it keeps telling me that I need superuser privileges. |
| 02:24.42 | aurax | is there a good inetd server for debian ? |
| 02:24.48 | bob2 | since DM = device mapper = playing around on top of partitions |
| 02:24.50 | Flimzy | disposable: If it does, the author should be shot. Probably several times. |
| 02:24.56 | asuffield | aurax: no; anything implementing inetd is bad by definition. whatever you think you need it for, you do not |
| 02:24.56 | bob2 | aurax: it's called inetd and installed by default |
| 02:24.59 | kingsley_ | holycow: It's not scrolling gnome-terminal for me either. What does 'Section "InputDevice"' look like in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 02:24.59 | karsten | OT: can I borrow a chinese reader for a moment? Need to asses possible comment spam. |
| 02:25.03 | aurax | identd |
| 02:25.06 | aurax | sorry |
| 02:25.06 | aurax | eheh |
| 02:25.14 | Flimzy | disposable: In any case, you could probably RTFM a lot faster than asking us |
| 02:25.19 | asuffield | identd is pretty useless too |
| 02:25.19 | holycow | kingsley_, sec |
| 02:25.24 | disposable | Flimzy: i hope the author is linus so that you all will regret this :) |
| 02:25.25 | aurax | i need it for ftp |
| 02:25.26 | Flimzy | disposable: And you might actually get a (completely worthless) answer you want, instead of (useful) answers you don't want |
| 02:25.27 | MMXcr | shingouz: question sarge it's the iso for netinstall??? |
| 02:25.34 | peterS | aurax: 'apt-cache search rfc1413' gives several results |
| 02:25.36 | asuffield | aurax: you most definitely do not need identd for ftp |
| 02:25.36 | shingouz | MMXcr: yes |
| 02:25.41 | shingouz | !d-i |
| 02:25.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:25.44 | MMXcr | shingouz: ahhh |
| 02:25.47 | drasko | how can I easy see if I have installed some package, ie php4 |
| 02:25.47 | karsten | OT: chinese interpretation, links at bottom of page: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EvstFuWuqi |
| 02:25.48 | peterS | aurax: or 'apt-cache search identd' |
| 02:25.51 | aurax | sure i do my server requiers it |
| 02:25.56 | shingouz | MMXcr: grab it from there and youre all set |
| 02:25.57 | karsten | drasko: dpkg -l <package> |
| 02:25.58 | Flimzy | disposable: Instead of getting us to answer your question, you should spend half an hour reading about security. |
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| 02:26.07 | asuffield | aurax: then fix your server; this is quite a creative form of insanity |
| 02:26.07 | bob2 | bah |
| 02:26.08 | drasko | karsten, tnx |
| 02:26.12 | bob2 | it's not sunday |
| 02:26.14 | Flimzy | disposable: Why what you're attempting is a bad idea should be covered in any intro to security literature |
| 02:26.16 | bob2 | stop being so obnoxious |
| 02:26.17 | MMXcr | shingouz: and what it's for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 (woody) i386 boot-floppies-3.0.23 |
| 02:26.18 | aurax | yeah i know i aint the one who putted it on |
| 02:26.18 | aurax | lol |
| 02:26.26 | asuffield | aurax: identd has little use in the first place; it has no use at all in an ftp server |
| 02:26.33 | NewpZ | hi i just installed a new soundcard.. how do i blow away the config from the old one and detect the new one? |
| 02:26.44 | karsten | OT: other possible chinese spam: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeiHenGjdhttp://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeiHenGjd |
| 02:26.57 | shingouz | MMXcr: the system you have there doesnt boot off a cd then? |
| 02:27.03 | disposable | i've actually looked at CFS, TCFS,StegFS etc. it's just that dmcrypt is already in the 2.6branch so i wanted to know if it does the same thing. |
| 02:27.14 | karsten | OT: other possible chinese spam: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeiHenGjd |
| 02:27.20 | MMXcr | shingouz: better what's it's for bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst |
| 02:27.32 | MMXcr | shingouz: yes my machine boot on cd |
| 02:27.42 | aurax | port 113 - ident daemon right? my server needs ports 113 thats all |
| 02:27.48 | shingouz | MMXcr: then just use the sarge installer, hell of a lot easier |
| 02:28.19 | MMXcr | shingouz: thanks man it's a little confuse the links on debian's page |
| 02:28.45 | shingouz | MMXcr: sec |
| 02:28.49 | NewpZ | is there a sound card detection tool in debian? |
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| 02:29.10 | Flimzy | NewpZ: not really |
| 02:29.12 | jstevens | NewpZ: discover should do it |
| 02:29.24 | bob2 | or hotplug on modern systems |
| 02:29.32 | karsten | sandu: autofs is the best way to provide transparent, controlled access to removable media. |
| 02:29.32 | gratuit | NewpZ: you could try lspci |
| 02:29.34 | peterS | there is alsaconf but I've heard lots of people say "alsaconf didn't work, now what do I do?" so I don't have a lot of faith in it |
| 02:29.39 | MMXcr | shingouz: what's the differense on Athlon and i386, y just whant to know? |
| 02:29.45 | karsten | !seen Phated |
| 02:29.46 | dpkg | phated is currently on #debian (1d 22h 26m 39s). Has said a total of 49916 messages. Is idling for 1h 29m 51s |
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| 02:29.53 | Phated | What? |
| 02:30.00 | drasko | I have problem seeing my index.php on apache... |
| 02:30.06 | infodroid | peterS: there were some alsa issues in 2.6 kernel, alsaconf does in general work though |
| 02:30.07 | MMXcr | shingouz: because i see some links whith that description |
| 02:30.08 | Flimzy | Can anyone tell me how to encrypt my CPU? |
| 02:30.09 | NewpZ | its not pci.. im just trying to use the built in one on my motherboard |
| 02:30.13 | karsten | Phated: Do you read Kanji? |
| 02:30.20 | Phated | karsten: No. |
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| 02:30.23 | peterS | infodroid: if you say so. I haven't tried it. we get people in #debian all the time who say what I just quoted |
| 02:30.25 | asg | drasko: did you follow the directions in /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian |
| 02:30.26 | karsten | Phated: OK, thanks. |
| 02:30.27 | Phated | Go ask helix or asuffield. |
| 02:30.38 | karsten | Phated: helix? Um. I doubt it. |
| 02:30.40 | jstevens | NewpZ: it'll still be reproted by lspci |
| 02:30.44 | drasko | asg, no - I'll look... |
| 02:30.56 | Phated | karsten: <shrug> Doubt away. |
| 02:31.03 | MMXcr | shingouz: i386 work at machine whith athlon |
| 02:31.09 | shingouz | MMXcr: yes |
| 02:31.10 | infodroid | peterS: yeah recent alsa's did strange things, especially ppl with tv cards. only they don't realise that is the problem. |
| 02:31.20 | asuffield | he said chinese |
| 02:31.23 | karsten | Phated: I know she does some portuguese. |
| 02:31.33 | NewpZ | weird not there |
| 02:31.41 | asuffield | and I don't think he knows the difference between Kanji and Han |
| 02:31.41 | Phated | He said Kanji, you idiot doofus who can read Japanese but not English, asuffield. |
| 02:31.49 | drasko | btw wher to searh for php module (to check if it is installed)? |
| 02:31.57 | peterS | Phated: earlier he said chinese. just now he said kanji |
| 02:32.03 | Phated | asuffield: Oh, in that case, I'll just ignore it. |
| 02:32.07 | sandu | hi! anyone who could tell me what cand I do to allow normal users to mount cdrom and floppy in my debian sarge? in /etc/fstab, under the options it is specified user,noauto, however when I try to mount as normal user it keeps telling me that I need superuser privileges. |
| 02:32.07 | Phated | peterS: See above. :) |
| 02:32.20 | asg | drasko: create a php file with '<?phpinfo();?>' in it and access it in a web browser. |
| 02:32.22 | asuffield | it's probably in korean anyway |
| 02:32.43 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok, what u think about ubuntu for a client machine, actually i whant to install on the machine a i talk to u or better install DEBIAN? |
| 02:32.49 | shingouz | MMXcr: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 02:32.50 | Phated | asuffield: Heh. |
| 02:32.58 | shingouz | MMXcr: ubuntu? EEEEEEK |
| 02:33.02 | drasko | asg, will try |
| 02:33.09 | Solet | what is the device name for my monitor? |
| 02:33.12 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Just put a screen up someplace between us odds are somebody can read it. |
| 02:33.30 | shingouz | MMXcr: grab the bigger one, the netinstall. the businesscard is not the one you are lookign for |
| 02:33.31 | Solet | "discover --vendor --model screen" doesnt work |
| 02:33.35 | Flimzy | Solet: Uhm... there isn't one. |
| 02:33.50 | peterS | Phated: I guess you could just tell him whether it's a language you can read. http://twiki.i |
| 02:33.53 | infodroid | !configure x |
| 02:33.53 | dpkg | ask me about 'configure xf3' or 'configure xf4' |
| 02:33.53 | peterS | wethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EvstFuWuqi |
| 02:33.58 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: I've posted the URLs. |
| 02:34.06 | peterS | errr, that got split up, sorry. http://twiki.ihttp://twiki.i |
| 02:34.07 | infodroid | !lazy x |
| 02:34.08 | dpkg | lazy x is probably 'apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect;dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common;apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common' |
| 02:34.11 | Phated | peterS: Ah, all right. |
| 02:34.12 | peterS | ehh |
| 02:34.22 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: Again please. For those of us who weren't around. |
| 02:34.31 | karsten | http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EvstFuWuqi |
| 02:34.35 | MMXcr | shingouz: actually itŽs because im goin to install linux on two machines my server MMX & my client Athlon |
| 02:34.39 | drasko | asg, works fine... |
| 02:34.39 | karsten | http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MeiHenGjd |
| 02:34.41 | infodroid | Solet: please install discover read-edid mdetect |
| 02:34.48 | asuffield | I'm pretty sure it's not japanese, although it can be hard to tell sometimes |
| 02:34.52 | shingouz | MMXcr: that netinstall works on both |
| 02:34.56 | vircuser | !sarge |
| 02:34.56 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 02:35.05 | asg | drasko: good |
| 02:35.09 | vircuser | !woody |
| 02:35.10 | dpkg | well, woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
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| 02:35.18 | vircuser | wtf |
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| 02:35.26 | Phated | peterS: That's in English, man. :) |
| 02:35.27 | vircuser | so why do i want sarge over woody if its a testing relesae |
| 02:35.27 | holycow | wow, woody is almost 3? |
| 02:35.35 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok, i just need to figure out how many space need Debian to make a particion on my Athlon machine |
| 02:35.36 | vircuser | is woody really old |
| 02:35.42 | vircuser | oh duh. |
| 02:35.44 | asg | vircuser: July 19, 2002 |
| 02:35.50 | ClawHammer | hey, what is the deal with the update 1 & 2 cd's |
| 02:35.51 | shingouz | MMXcr: how much you have? |
| 02:35.53 | asuffield | Phated: I think he means the æćĄćšæ知 éćșæćĄćšæ知 éćșæćĄćšç§çš part |
| 02:35.54 | jstevens | wow, woody doesn't seem that old... |
| 02:35.55 | Phated | peterS: But, if you're referring to the comments, then that's Chinese. I could probably work through it. |
| 02:35.57 | drasko | asg, still the index file I downloaded from moodle.org (some long distance learning portal) dont work... Well, at least I know it's not my machine... |
| 02:35.58 | jstevens | time flies I guess |
| 02:36.01 | NewpZ | whats IEEE? |
| 02:36.01 | MMXcr | shingouz: 40 G |
| 02:36.05 | drasko | asg, thanks a zillion |
| 02:36.11 | shingouz | MMXcr: 40G ;) |
| 02:36.14 | vircuser | so why isn't Sarge just a new version of woody |
| 02:36.18 | asuffield | now, this will appear as characters from your native set because unicode is fucked, so the puzzle becomes "does it look gramattically correct?" |
| 02:36.20 | ClawHammer | do u just put them in and boot from it and it updates debian? |
| 02:36.23 | asg | drasko: so moodle.org doesn't work or moodle running on your local machine? |
| 02:36.32 | jstevens | NewpZ: IEEE is a organizaion |
| 02:36.40 | shingouz | MMXcr: seriously, whtever you can spare and feel good about. over 10G is way enough for pretty much evertyihg |
| 02:36.44 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 02:36.47 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 02:36.49 | holycow | vircuser, lots of technical reasons, it's absolutely huge 15k apps at this point |
| 02:36.55 | jstevens | NewpZ: IEEE 1394 is your firewire port |
| 02:37.03 | MMXcr | shingouz: =) there i have to put a windows, because some things i need to run in windows for university, linux, and my stuff |
| 02:37.03 | vircuser | holycow; how stable is it? |
| 02:37.05 | NewpZ | ahh got ya! |
| 02:37.18 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok great |
| 02:37.19 | karsten | What's sarge's release number going to be? 3.1? |
| 02:37.23 | asg | karsten: yep |
| 02:37.24 | holycow | releasing debian is like microsoft releasing all their apps plus some 12000 new ones simultaneously and regularly |
| 02:37.25 | peterS | karsten: yeah, 3.1 |
| 02:37.26 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok MMX have 10 G |
| 02:37.28 | holycow | its a tought thing to do |
| 02:37.38 | asuffield | has it actually been decided? that's usually left until the last minute |
| 02:37.50 | asg | holycow: Microsoft doesn't release on 12 arches either |
| 02:37.51 | holycow | vircuser, well it's not fair to say its stable as its officially labeled unstable and really only meant for developers |
| 02:37.52 | vircuser | holycow; ah gotcha |
| 02:37.53 | holycow | however |
| 02:37.54 | karsten | dpkg: release dates is Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 Oct 26, 1995, 1.1 "buzz" Jun 17, 1996, 1.2 "rex" Dec 12, 1996, 1.3 "bo" Jun 5, 1997, 2.0 "hamm" Jul 24, 1998, 2.1 "slink" Mar 9, 1999, 2.2 "potato" Aug 15, 2000, 3.0 "woody" Jul 19, 2002, 3.1 "sarge" RSN. |
| 02:37.54 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 02:37.56 | gratuit | holycow: well not that regularly |
| 02:37.59 | ApTek | http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?fid=1422&tid=1604069 |
| 02:37.59 | holycow | what asg said |
| 02:38.01 | ApTek | whoops |
| 02:38.02 | peterS | asuffield: oh, who knows. /etc/debian_version has been 3.1 for awhile and vorlon hasn't ever indicated different |
| 02:38.02 | asg | asuffield: I was under the impression that that was decided |
| 02:38.04 | shingouz | MMXcr: same there. of course if you are going to make a dedicated install just hog the whole drive leaving some space for swap of course |
| 02:38.06 | ApTek | Disregard that |
| 02:38.07 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Any clue? |
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| 02:38.21 | ClawHammer | hey, im new to debian, gentoo was giving me hell to install, so i thought i would try debian, do i just put in the cd's and it goes for itself? |
| 02:38.27 | asuffield | I don't recall any specific announcement on the subject, so it's possible that everybody else just went for it without thinking |
| 02:38.30 | scarynetworkguy | karsten: It ain't Korean. :) |
| 02:38.32 | asg | ClawHammer: /msg dpkg ig |
| 02:38.37 | asuffield | who knows, maybe we could pull a slackware and release 9.0 next |
| 02:38.45 | karsten | scarynetworkguy: Pheh! |
| 02:38.46 | asg | asuffield: I thought it was settled with the 3.1 vs 4.0 argument, but I could be wrong |
| 02:38.48 | holycow | vircuser, but in practice, i run my workplace workstation on sarge and two minor servers on it, it's superb imho, but you must consider it unstable so as not to get caught offguard thinking its stable |
| 02:38.58 | asuffield | asg: I thought that died without going anywhere |
| 02:39.00 | vircuser | k |
| 02:39.11 | asg | asuffield: then we may yet release a 9.0 before spring ;) |
| 02:39.11 | asuffield | it's usually a stupid thing to argue about |
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| 02:39.20 | vircuser | i was confused because I downloaded Woody, i never even saw a sarge link on Debian.org, and then i came in here everyone said to get srage |
| 02:39.21 | MMXcr | shingouz: u see i need to make a few partition on 40G |
| 02:39.21 | vircuser | sarge |
| 02:39.22 | peterS | asg: his point, I think, is that this is a decision of the release manager, who hasn't actually (to our knowledge) announced anything on the subject |
| 02:39.23 | nSe | do apt-get have something to get info from a specific package? |
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| 02:39.39 | asg | peterS: agreed |
| 02:39.43 | drasko | asg, no, I made this file you suggested in moodle, on my machine, and it works.... So are some htm files I tested... Only, my task is to make this files I downloaded from moogle.org (internet) make work on my local server... But they dont - index.php that came with the package wont show... |
| 02:39.53 | asuffield | well, it should be easy to find out |
| 02:39.58 | asuffield | vorlon: OI |
| 02:40.05 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok only 1024MB for swat i guess |
| 02:40.09 | asg | drasko: won't show or returns forbidden? |
| 02:40.16 | infodroid | nSe: apt-cache show |
| 02:40.21 | asg | drasko: does your browser want to download it? |
| 02:40.44 | drasko | asg, no, nothing at all, just empty page when browser opens... |
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| 02:40.50 | vorlon | asuffield: ? |
| 02:40.54 | shingouz | MMXcr: that is *way* enough, double the ram is good enough and with over 512 is usually almost overkill |
| 02:41.00 | nSe | infodroid: thanks, i'll try that |
| 02:41.05 | asg | drasko: then check /var/log/apache/error_log (you probably misconfigured something) |
| 02:41.10 | asuffield | vorlon: did anybody actually pick a version number for sarge yet, or have we just been going with 3.1 out of sheer inertia? |
| 02:41.14 | holycow | vircuser, *nod* i have a high regard for debian because they are fairly anal about things like that, to really claim that sarge is officially stable is suicide and untrue, so they don't. it's hard for debian to be so old but hey, it's a community effort |
| 02:41.18 | vorlon | damn, I've revealed myself. |
| 02:41.18 | infodroid | !tell nSe about apt howto |
| 02:41.19 | MMXcr | shingouz: oooo i see |
| 02:41.24 | asg | vorlon: you did earlier |
| 02:41.31 | drasko | asg, i'm on it... |
| 02:41.34 | MMXcr | shingouz: yes my computer have 512MB ram |
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| 02:41.56 | holycow | vircuser, there is some discussion about debian moving to time based releases, i have no idea where thats going, some people here hate that idea, i personally love it, wait and see |
| 02:41.57 | vorlon | asuffield: it'll be 3.1, 'cause I don't care enough one way or another and lots of people had 3.1 as a working assumption. |
| 02:41.59 | asg | drasko: and for moodle, make sure to install php4-gd or php4-gd2 (and also get unzip and zip) |
| 02:42.06 | asuffield | hah. so inertia wins this time |
| 02:42.12 | infodroid | holycow: so debian can be like sun microsystems |
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| 02:42.29 | vorlon | :) |
| 02:42.32 | holycow | infodroid, that could be a compliment and insult simultaneously, congratulations :) haha |
| 02:42.42 | vircuser | cool thanks for the info holy |
| 02:42.42 | shingouz | MMXcr: 512 should be enough for it (unless you run some really exotic apps on it which i doubt as the system is going to be a testing setup at the time being) |
| 02:42.42 | infodroid | holycow: hehe |
| 02:42.50 | drasko | asg, it says: [Fri Feb 18 03:41:09 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /var/www/moodle/favicon.ico |
| 02:42.51 | dan2 | shouldn't sarge be 4.0 |
| 02:42.55 | holycow | vircuser, no worries :) any time |
| 02:42.59 | vorlon | I figure for etch we should get the release length down and inflate the version numbers. |
| 02:43.00 | asg | drasko: that wouldn't be it |
| 02:43.00 | infodroid | holycow: but seriously, they started this Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 thing just recently |
| 02:43.02 | dondelelcaro | dan2: sarge should probably be 3.4 |
| 02:43.02 | vircuser | i'd bow before you but beef is evil and holy cows are moreso |
| 02:43.04 | asg | drasko: anything else? |
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| 02:43.10 | dondelelcaro | rr... 2.4 |
| 02:43.11 | drasko | asg, nope... |
| 02:43.13 | maher | holycow: i don't see how a time based release would fix any of the problems holding up the current release |
| 02:43.14 | ricochet | Question, how would I go about capturing all keyboard input? Something like: cat /dev/kbd > keylog ? |
| 02:43.18 | asg | dondelelcaro: or 3.6 so we can keep up with OpenBSD |
| 02:43.22 | holycow | infodroid, they did? oh i didn't know that, i know gnome does it to great success imho |
| 02:43.33 | EvanCarroll | asuffield: no, sarge will more than likely jump to ver39 because arbitrary numbers have alot of meaning these days and so we can finnaly point fingers at the mandrake guys and make the claim we are more developed (and of coarse have the all important version number to back it up) |
| 02:43.36 | holycow | maher well imho, there isn't a problem to fix |
| 02:43.42 | asuffield | gnome doesn't care that their releases are buggy. it's no different from their old method of releasing |
| 02:43.44 | MMXcr | shingouz: jeje now i don't use it for exotic apps, woody it's the indicated for the client and server machines??? |
| 02:43.49 | holycow | imho, there is no problem only a problem of perception |
| 02:43.49 | dondelelcaro | not that a version number really matters anyway, so long as you keep them strictly increasing |
| 02:43.53 | asg | drasko: hmmmm, well, edit /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and log the errors somewhere |
| 02:43.56 | holycow | its the same problem you have waiting for a bus |
| 02:43.57 | asuffield | Debian actually has a history of, and desire for, *stable* releases |
| 02:44.17 | asg | asuffield: I'm tingling with desire for another one |
| 02:44.22 | shingouz | MMXcr: the netinstall is for sarge which is actually stable enough these days for pretty much everthing |
| 02:44.27 | holycow | experiements have shown that if you put a timer on a bus stop that shows how soon a bus is coming people don't care how long they wait, if they don't know even 1 minut is excruciating |
| 02:44.29 | infodroid | asuffield: and bug-squashing parties at the last minute |
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| 02:44.36 | asuffield | so simply saying "we'll release at this date even if it doesn't work at all" wouldn't be too useful. while for gnome, it increased the release rate without affecting the quality of releases |
| 02:44.45 | holycow | featurewise debian is on par with any other distro really, again imho |
| 02:44.47 | dondelelcaro | holycow: yeah, save for the fact that this particular bus would kill or maim people if it was on a rigid schedule |
| 02:44.48 | asuffield | they still suck, but now they suck faster |
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| 02:45.03 | holycow | assuffield, gnome releases, BUT they work |
| 02:45.07 | scatterp | i am geting the following error make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build SUBDIR=/usr/src/ipw2100-0.53 MOVEDIR=/usr/src/ipw2100-0.53 modules i think i need to make a symbolic link or something to make this work |
| 02:45.15 | holycow | i think the WORKING part is kinda part of the deal, again imho |
| 02:45.32 | asuffield | holycow: gnome just redefined "work" to be whatever their last release did |
| 02:45.42 | infodroid | i'm happy running testing, no matter what its called |
| 02:45.48 | asuffield | it inevitably falls to the vendors, like debian, to fix the damn bugs |
| 02:45.59 | asuffield | (although frankly it's redhat who do most of the fixing) |
| 02:46.02 | holycow | dondelelcaro, lol true, but your mixing up for profit motives and open source non profit ones |
| 02:46.09 | drasko | asg, ok, I will try that now... |
| 02:46.16 | holycow | gnome time releases only means release that which works |
| 02:46.28 | holycow | the 'quantity' of apps released won't change |
| 02:46.41 | asg | drasko: I can't remember the issue offhand but I've seen it before with moodle. It's something simple and boneheaded but without verbose logging in PHP, it doesn't manifest itself. |
| 02:46.55 | holycow | sarge today is quite featurefull imho, i don't see how anyone will code more or less if they just say '6 month cutoff points', thats all it is no? |
| 02:47.01 | infodroid | holycow: i do see the point there, like there's a lot of stuff in sarge that works damn well and other stuff that isn't there - you're saying, leave it out |
| 02:47.14 | scatterp | asg any idea on my error ? |
| 02:47.21 | infodroid | holycow: ... for the sake of keeping to a schedule |
| 02:47.30 | dondelelcaro | holycow: what are we waiting on now? Notice how it has no relationship to an arbitrary schedule? |
| 02:47.37 | holycow | infodroid, well thats all i see gnome do *nod*, it's open source theres no pressure, have fun, just tell people when the bus is coming thats all |
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| 02:48.02 | asg | scatterp: nope, sorry, though I expect there is some other error you aren't seeing. |
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| 02:48.31 | holycow | dondelelcaro, *shrug* last project manager interview i read said something about technical issues |
| 02:48.33 | scatterp | asg i followed a step by step on it in the topic of #ipw2100 and thats the point when it doesnt all match up exactly |
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| 02:48.53 | scatterp | it even says if you have a problem maybe you dont have make or gcc installed i have both |
| 02:48.58 | drasko | asg, what do you mean verbose logging in php? |
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| 02:49.05 | asg | scatterp: tapt-get install build-essential |
| 02:49.13 | MMXcr | shingouz: i whant to tell u something, i'm a student of computer engineering |
| 02:49.20 | scatterp | asg should there be a t there ? |
| 02:49.20 | shingouz | MMXcr: :) |
| 02:49.41 | nevyn_ | MMXcr: where? |
| 02:49.56 | asg | drasko: error_reporting = E_ALL |
| 02:50.04 | MMXcr | nevyn_ in San Jose, Costa Rica |
| 02:50.32 | MMXcr | nevyn_: at Latina University |
| 02:50.33 | asg | drasko: and either a) display_errors = On or b) error_log = /var/log/php4.log |
| 02:50.46 | nevyn_ | MMXcr: cool. |
| 02:50.49 | drasko | asg, also - in my php_ini says log_errors = Off. Should I change that line to on, or there should be something like /var/log/php |
| 02:50.51 | asg | drasko: the former will print them in your browser, the latter in a convenient log |
| 02:50.57 | asg | drasko: set that to On |
| 02:51.00 | drasko | Whoops... You go ahead... |
| 02:51.19 | MMXcr | shingouz: u are engineer??? |
| 02:51.20 | drasko | :) |
| 02:51.33 | shingouz | MMXcr: yes but not CS |
| 02:51.39 | dondelelcaro | wholy geebus. Lose the 'u' and extra punctuation, please. |
| 02:51.45 | MMXcr | nevyn_: ;) actually it's my first year |
| 02:51.53 | asg | drasko: after making changes, restart apache and try the page again. |
| 02:52.13 | drasko | asg, sorry for asking the redundant questions, but seems that you faster answer than I can question... thanks man :) |
| 02:52.26 | MMXcr | shingouz: umm but u have a lot of years whith debian?? |
| 02:52.31 | asg | drasko: no apologies necessary, that should allow you to debug the issue. |
| 02:52.35 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 02:52.35 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:52.51 | shingouz | MMXcr: not really, just my fifth year as a matter of fact |
| 02:52.54 | asg | drasko: you'll want to turn those off in a production system (though keeping the logging to /var/log won't hurt) |
| 02:53.07 | jstevens | dondelelcaro: you beat me to that by like, a quarter of a second |
| 02:53.28 | MMXcr | shingouz: ohhh cool where are u studie?? |
| 02:53.37 | asg | scatterp: no, apt-get install build-essential (this dell has a shitty keyboard) |
| 02:53.41 | shingouz | MMXcr: pass |
| 02:54.08 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok |
| 02:54.30 | scatterp | asg failed on locales |
| 02:54.36 | MMXcr | shingouz: it's u fifth year whith linux right? |
| 02:54.38 | asg | scatterp: failed how? |
| 02:54.41 | shingouz | yes |
| 02:54.49 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok |
| 02:54.53 | dondelelcaro | MMXcr: these 'u' and extra punctuation comments have been aimed at you. Kindly stop doing that. |
| 02:55.28 | scatterp | asg dpkg returned error code 1 |
| 02:55.35 | MMXcr | shingouz: i have a terrible oxide on my english |
| 02:55.37 | scatterp | thats all it says really |
| 02:56.02 | asg | scatterp: nothing before saying '<pkg>.postinst ... blah ...' |
| 02:56.03 | shingouz | MMXcr: it'll get better pretty soon :) |
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| 02:56.20 | MMXcr | dondelelcaro; excuse my english it's terrible i know |
| 02:56.25 | asg | scatterp: does 'LANG=C apt-get install build-essential' work? |
| 02:56.38 | scatterp | testing |
| 02:56.59 | MMXcr | shingouz: actually it's because i don't use it in my country |
| 02:57.38 | shingouz | MMXcr: i hear you. it'll get better very soon though, rest assured |
| 02:57.43 | scatterp | asg can not open local definition file `en` : no such file or directory |
| 02:57.48 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok |
| 02:57.56 | asg | scatterp: does 'LANG=C apt-get install build-essential' work? |
| 02:58.07 | scatterp | asg dpkg: error processing locals ( --configure): |
| 02:58.15 | scatterp | asg no it didnt work |
| 02:58.18 | MMXcr | shingouz: 1h 32min for sarge |
| 02:58.20 | shingouz | MMXcr: in anycase your english is not as bad as it could be..... |
| 02:58.23 | shingouz | :) |
| 02:58.24 | scatterp | asg the errors from that were |
| 02:58.27 | scatterp | asg can not open local definition file `en` : no such file or directory |
| 02:58.28 | asg | scatterp: apt-get -f install (you have frobbed your system) |
| 02:58.29 | scatterp | asg dpkg: error processing locals ( --configure): |
| 02:58.34 | MMXcr | shingouz: jajajaja thanks |
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| 02:58.38 | shingouz | :) |
| 02:58.41 | scatterp | asg ok |
| 02:58.45 | lakcaj | Hi. Anyone here using php ming on a debian sarge machine? I can't seem to find the debs to get it installed. |
| 02:58.46 | dondelelcaro | MMXcr: ah, ok... just try to avoid the more eggregious abbreviations and you'll be fine. |
| 02:58.57 | asg | lakcaj: install libapache-mod-php4 php4 |
| 02:59.01 | scatterp | asg can not open local definition file `en` : no such file or directory |
| 02:59.06 | scatterp | asg dpkg: error processing locals ( --configure): |
| 02:59.10 | MMXcr | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:59.31 | asg | scatterp: fine, how did you get in this state? |
| 02:59.39 | scatterp | fresh install |
| 02:59.41 | scatterp | lol |
| 02:59.46 | asg | scatterp: of what? |
| 02:59.54 | scatterp | debian sarge net cd |
| 03:00.07 | trc | i am using sid and in my last reboot i have lost all my tty(1-6), X works at tty7. Anyone knows whats the deal? |
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| 03:00.22 | MMXcr | shingouz: you are from finland |
| 03:00.36 | shingouz | MMXcr: living there yes |
| 03:00.48 | lakcaj | asg: Thanks... I'm looking forward to creating some flash content with php ming. |
| 03:01.01 | asg | scatterp: before the error above, was there a 'post or pre | inst or rm' file listed |
| 03:01.07 | vorlon | bah, does ming even still compile? |
| 03:01.14 | drasko | asg, did all... reatarted apache browsed for moodle... and no log was recorded |
| 03:01.18 | MMXcr | shingouz: ummm how it's there it's nice, how the people, actually where you from? |
| 03:01.23 | lakcaj | vordul, dunno |
| 03:01.29 | asg | drasko: you have to create it and make sure that www-data can write to it |
| 03:01.29 | scatterp | asg no |
| 03:02.02 | asg | drasko: touch /var/log/php4.log (or whatever you called it), chown www-data /var/log/php4.log ; chmod 600 /var/log/php4.log |
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| 03:02.25 | shingouz | MMXcr: i don't like this place at all, too cold for my taste. snow is much overrated you know |
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| 03:04.02 | MMXcr | shingouz: where you are originally? |
| 03:04.09 | shingouz | MMXcr: pass |
| 03:04.17 | Cyber_NY | i'm running debian woody distro i'd like to install the newest version of KDE...need help!?!? |
| 03:04.17 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok |
| 03:04.26 | drasko | asg, did that too, reatarted apache once again, browsed for moodle, no log was recorded... |
| 03:04.33 | bob2 | Cyber_NY: #debian-kde |
| 03:04.54 | Cyber_NY | thanks....bob2 |
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| 03:05.18 | drasko | asg, by the way.. when making logs do I have allways to do the similar thing... |
| 03:05.36 | drasko | asg, I had a problem recently with bootlog... |
| 03:05.40 | drasko | bootlogd |
| 03:08.08 | asg | drasko: not always, sane daemons should account for that |
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| 03:10.18 | rukasu | whats the easiest way to manage what gets started at boottime from the console? |
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| 03:10.33 | asg | rukasu: ln(1) |
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| 03:10.46 | rukasu | hehe |
| 03:10.48 | asg | rukasu: you might fool with update-rc.d if you wish |
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| 03:11.19 | rukasu | asg: that sounds more like what i'm looking for.. |
| 03:11.26 | bob2 | or sysv-rc-conf |
| 03:11.52 | asg | rukasu: other options are rcconf and what bob2 said though the last time I looked sysv-rc-conf, it SEGVd when I hit PGDN |
| 03:12.07 | rukasu | i've used debian for a vew years now, but i never knew it was there :O |
| 03:12.18 | bob2 | hehe |
| 03:13.17 | Caveman | can the gnu mail send attachments ? |
| 03:13.40 | asg | Caveman: if you uuencode them first, better to use mutt |
| 03:14.01 | Caveman | copy that |
| 03:14.03 | Caveman | or nail |
| 03:14.08 | Caveman | nail sounds good. |
| 03:14.14 | rukasu | now, this brings up another question.. say i installed pdns, and removed it again.. it leaves the scripts in etc/init.d.. is it supposed to be like that? (on sarge) |
| 03:14.17 | asg | Caveman: whatever works for you |
| 03:14.19 | Caveman | I need something with easy command line bits :) |
| 03:14.25 | Caveman | asg: thanks for that :) |
| 03:14.32 | asg | rukasu: --purge it (apt-get remove --purge ...) or dpkg -P |
| 03:15.13 | asg | Caveman: echo 'foo' | mutt -a file -s 'subject' user@domain.tld |
| 03:15.33 | Caveman | asg: ok, point taken :P maybe that is easy ! |
| 03:15.33 | lakcaj | Hi. I'm trying to compile an app, and it says that "We need a working libXext to proceed". But I have both libxext-dev and libxext6 installed..... I'm not sure what I should do. |
| 03:15.46 | asg | Caveman: been using it for years :) |
| 03:15.58 | rukasu | asg: thanks :) |
| 03:15.59 | Caveman | asg: ok, you have convinced me :P |
| 03:16.01 | bob2 | lakcaj: might be lying and actually want all of xlibs-dev |
| 03:16.04 | Caveman | asg: that was hard ;) |
| 03:16.25 | asg | Caveman: :) |
| 03:16.53 | CyzarX | i want to implment a while loop. this while loop should always run when user dont click either on the cancel or box closed button. how do i implement the while condition? |
| 03:17.18 | rukasu | CyzarX in what? |
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| 03:17.54 | CyzarX | rukasu, i dont underesatnd |
| 03:17.55 | scatterp | asg i seem to have everything from that first make error except one folder called "build" should i just create it ? |
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| 03:18.08 | rukasu | cyzarx in what programming language |
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| 03:18.12 | CyzarX | bash script |
| 03:18.23 | scatterp | asg i am in /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/ and the error was |
| 03:18.29 | ClawHammer | what is woody, and how do the updates work? |
| 03:18.29 | lakcaj | bob2, ok... I'll look at that... brb (thanks) |
| 03:18.34 | asg | scatterp: follow the instructions you were given. If they don't work, consult those who gave you the instructions. |
| 03:18.37 | scatterp | asg make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build SUBDIR=/usr/src/ipw2100-0.53 MOVEDIR=/usr/src/ipw2100-0.53 modules i think i need to make a symbolic link or something to make this work |
| 03:18.40 | rukasu | CyzarX lookup the bash while function |
| 03:18.43 | infodroid | !tell CyzarX about bash programming |
| 03:18.46 | scatterp | asg there away .. |
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| 03:19.35 | rukasu | cyzarx http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/loops1.html |
| 03:19.35 | asg | CyzarX: bash doesn't easily work with clicks. Perhaps 'zenity --question' is what you want |
| 03:19.50 | deuseli | deuseli |
| 03:20.01 | lakcaj | bob2, that got it... thanks again :) |
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| 03:21.18 | lakcaj | that always makes me chuckle |
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| 03:21.45 | asg | lakcaj: that was rather laconic compared to the bot's usual outburst |
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| 03:21.56 | shingouz | should have a few O's more though... for some reason i think it should be ravenbird who says that |
| 03:22.06 | CyzarX | rukasu, asg im using Xdialog, i want the Xdialog keep on pop up until cancel or box closed click. |
| 03:22.23 | shingouz | asg: what was the nastiest one you remember |
| 03:22.29 | bob2 | lakcaj: np |
| 03:22.39 | asg | CyzarX: never used Xdialog, I'm sure 'zenity --question' would work nicely though |
| 03:22.57 | asg | shingouz: 16:45 < apt> ROOOOOOOOOT has landed! (been that way for a while now) |
| 03:22.57 | rukasu | CyzarX: me either |
| 03:23.19 | shingouz | asg: yea, i remember that one, i just thought there were some other nastier versions too |
| 03:23.21 | CyzarX | asg what is zenity --question? |
| 03:23.32 | asg | CyzarX: apt-get install zenity ; zenity --question |
| 03:23.35 | rukasu | CyzarX: anyone in #Xdialog ? |
| 03:23.54 | CyzarX | rukasu, no one there |
| 03:23.59 | MMXcr | shingouz: hey man it's downloading the pakeges |
| 03:24.09 | rukasu | ah |
| 03:24.13 | MMXcr | shingouz: it's great |
| 03:24.27 | asg | shingouz: well, the bot does give the user a talking to and they are +q'd |
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| 03:25.23 | CyzarX | zenith sounds like similar to Xdialog |
| 03:25.32 | asg | s/zenith/zenity/ |
| 03:25.41 | shingouz | asg: so that is why they are so quiet :) |
| 03:25.43 | shingouz | MMXcr: cool |
| 03:25.53 | asg | CyzarX: gtk2 dialogs that are scriptable via the shell |
| 03:26.14 | MMXcr | shingouz: yes man |
| 03:26.23 | asg | shingouz: until Penix or FieldySnuts show up and forces them to be naughty |
| 03:26.31 | asg | s/forces/force/ |
| 03:26.58 | shingouz | asg :) |
| 03:27.03 | Zanke | okay, i just installed debian and i tried to run apache, nothing happend, then when i tried to stop apache it said , not currently running, so i tried starting...nothing then stoping....same error, i tried uninstalling apache and installing apache 2.0.53, it said the same things....wtf mate? |
| 03:27.04 | MMXcr | the people on this channel are from different part's of the world |
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| 03:27.21 | asg | MMXcr: yes, we are very international |
| 03:27.34 | infodroid | Zanke: when you installed apache debconf asked you questions, no? |
| 03:27.39 | MMXcr | asg: hey |
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| 03:27.43 | rukasu | Zanke: look in the apache logs perhaps? |
| 03:27.55 | asg | Zanke: did you look at /var/log/apache/error_log to see if there was a problem? |
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| 03:28.04 | infodroid | Zanke: how are you starting/stopping apache? |
| 03:28.07 | asg | MMXcr: hiya |
| 03:28.23 | rukasu | everybody loves an apache problem! :) |
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| 03:28.25 | lukito | hi |
| 03:28.36 | Zanke | infodriod: when i sis the first apache yes, then one the 2nd one i just used the conf and edited that |
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| 03:28.56 | lukito | what is cherokee |
| 03:29.10 | scatterp | asg how can i make /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build be a symbolic link to my srcs /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1/......... |
| 03:29.11 | rukasu | heh |
| 03:29.14 | asg | lukito: an American Indian Tribe, a form of SUV |
| 03:29.21 | asg | scatterp: man 1 ln |
| 03:29.38 | infodroid | Zanke: dpkg-reconfigure -plow apache |
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| 03:29.46 | infodroid | Zanke: or was it apache2 |
| 03:29.51 | chealer | !cherokee |
| 03:29.51 | dpkg | Cherokee (Tsa La Gi) are Native Americans. |
| 03:29.52 | Zanke | infodroid: apachetc1 start and stop in the /usr/local/apache2 |
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| 03:30.01 | infodroid | Zanke: oh my god |
| 03:30.03 | MMXcr | Zanke: you have problems whith apache2? |
| 03:30.13 | infodroid | Zanke: what's it doing in there? |
| 03:30.27 | Zanke | the not currently running thing |
| 03:30.28 | rukasu | heheh |
| 03:30.28 | asg | infodroid: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache2 apparently |
| 03:30.41 | infodroid | there goes /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 03:31.02 | Zanke | no that is where it auto installed |
| 03:31.17 | asg | Zanke: no, it wouldn't be auto installed there by debian |
| 03:31.22 | infodroid | Zanke: correction - that is where you let it install |
| 03:31.32 | asg | Zanke: debian doesn't touch /usr/local |
| 03:31.49 | Solet | umm whoever told me to google my make model and model name of the monitor to find its specs: samtron "dt15vtpn" 55v google returns nothing useful. |
| 03:31.53 | Zanke | i didn't do anything but ./configure |
| 03:32.01 | infodroid | Zanke: what was the matter with the debian apache2 ? |
| 03:32.07 | asg | Zanke: why don't you apt-get install apache2? |
| 03:32.17 | Zanke | infodroid: same problem |
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| 03:32.38 | Zanke | i just rm -rf /usr/local/apache2/ is there a quick debian way to reinstall apache |
| 03:32.49 | asg | Zanke: apt-get install apache |
| 03:33.05 | asg | Zanke: or apt-get install apache2 (if that's your preference on >woody systems) |
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| 03:33.22 | infodroid | Zanke: if you ALREADY compiled and installed apache2, then you rm -Rf /usr/local/apache2 may not remove everything |
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| 03:33.32 | Zanke | Phated: Couldn't find package apache2 |
| 03:33.36 | Zanke | Phate:*& |
| 03:33.40 | Zanke | -& |
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| 03:33.48 | asg | Zanke: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:33.49 | Phated | ? |
| 03:33.50 | Zanke | E:* |
| 03:33.51 | infodroid | Zanke: before you do that you try make uninstall, it might work |
| 03:33.59 | asg | Phated: it's gone mad |
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| 03:34.21 | asg | infodroid: if all he typed was ./configure, it would all be located in /usr/local/apache2 |
| 03:34.25 | Zanke | no sorry the Phate: was on a different line, i read it wrong, Phate is the computers name |
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| 03:34.34 | llahm | 'lo |
| 03:34.40 | Phated | Oh, geez, I'm changing my nick. |
| 03:34.48 | Zanke | lol |
| 03:34.51 | llahm | I got a porn spam. |
| 03:34.53 | Zanke | no Phate not Phated |
| 03:34.58 | llahm | Anybody else victimized? |
| 03:35.08 | asg | llahm: on join? |
| 03:35.08 | Zanke | Phate as in the dude from The Blue Nowhere |
| 03:35.13 | TCW | !ops <Game> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos <- game does on-join-spam |
| 03:35.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: <Game> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos <- game does on-join-spam |
| 03:35.26 | Phated | Yeah, I fucking well know who Phate is. I was going to use that nick. |
| 03:35.28 | infodroid | asg: don't know about that, cross your fingers Zanke |
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| 03:35.36 | Zanke | lol |
| 03:35.40 | asg | helix: thanks |
| 03:35.41 | infodroid | Zanke: if you didn't run "make install" you should be fine |
| 03:35.43 | llahm | asg: yes, it seems so |
| 03:35.47 | TCW | re btw :) |
| 03:35.53 | llahm | asg: i imed lilo about it |
| 03:35.56 | asg | llahm: our fine friend helix took care of the issue |
| 03:36.02 | Zanke | i had to use compact install cause i have a scsi |
| 03:36.04 | llahm | asg: not quite |
| 03:36.08 | infodroid | lol |
| 03:36.09 | Zanke | only way that installed worked |
| 03:36.12 | Zanke | maybe that is why? |
| 03:36.13 | infodroid | asg: see i told you |
| 03:36.34 | asg | Solet: because it's rude |
| 03:36.37 | dondelelcaro | Solet: network policy |
| 03:36.43 | asuffield | Solet: it just attracts useless attention and noise |
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| 03:37.09 | llahm | Hey I am trying to make some hardware purchasing decisions. I am going to get a dual Opteron motherboard. I need to know the difference between SATA and SATA-II so I can decide if I should pay $100 more on top of the huge sum I am paying to get Ultra320 SCSI. |
| 03:37.11 | MMXcr | Solet: actually it's not necesary |
| 03:37.11 | samuel | sup all |
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| 03:37.20 | asg | infodroid: fair enough |
| 03:37.58 | peterS | Solet: as a purely psychological play, the channel seems friendlier without a bunch of @people in it. it's odd how that works, but apparently it does |
| 03:38.40 | asg | Solet: bob2 is infamous for not sucking his belly in after a +kb though |
| 03:38.42 | infodroid | Zanke: go into where you ran ./configure and run "make uninstall", like pronto |
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| 03:38.50 | Zanke | infodroid: i ran make install, i did ./configure, make, make install |
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| 03:39.17 | Solet | +kb? what the fuck adding a key and banning? |
| 03:39.20 | infodroid | Zanke: sure, you can compile your own apache2, but don't complain on #debian about it |
| 03:39.22 | asuffield | peterS: it's fairly simple really. in any reasonably well-run channel, the ops are going to be the most active people, and the focus of the discussion. if they play at being chanops instead of that, then it's just clipping out the core of the channel |
| 03:39.26 | Solet | fyi +kb != kick ban |
| 03:39.26 | asg | Solet: kick/ban |
| 03:39.40 | Solet | kick isnt a mode |
| 03:39.45 | asuffield | the notion is simple: they aren't ops except when they need to be |
| 03:40.07 | Zanke | infodroid: i am new to debian...that is why i am here, last thing i was on was slackware and that is what i HAD to do |
| 03:40.21 | infodroid | !backports |
| 03:40.22 | dpkg | [backport] a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 03:40.27 | asg | Solet: no, it wasn't mean as a command set either |
| 03:40.34 | llahm | dondelelcaro: well, I was not sure if I'd need U320 and SATA-II or not |
| 03:40.36 | infodroid | Zanke: consider a backport if you can't find the version you need |
| 03:40.42 | samuel | anyone know how to set up a "Transcend StoreJet" hard drive adapter? |
| 03:40.47 | llahm | dondelelcaro: Is SATA-II a legitimatee worthwhile bus? |
| 03:41.07 | Zanke | i'll just reinstall debian...what is the best debian mirror for netinst? |
| 03:41.10 | Zanke | out of us |
| 03:41.12 | Zanke | US* |
| 03:41.18 | llahm | dondelelcaro: I ask because ATA has underwhelmed me in the past. |
| 03:41.22 | asg | Zanke: depends where you live |
| 03:41.31 | Zanke | indiana |
| 03:41.31 | llahm | dondelelcaro: So I am reflexively suspicious of anything using this term. |
| 03:42.00 | dondelelcaro | llahm: if you care about performance, probably not... but then, if you really care about performance, you'd be using add on cards anyway |
| 03:42.24 | helix | and gentoo |
| 03:42.25 | bmoore | Zanke: I believe both purdue and Notre Dame have mirrors |
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| 03:43.06 | asuffield | llahm: it's the same old IDE over a marginally less crappy cable |
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| 03:43.42 | asuffield | llahm: although since it's the next generation of IDE drives, they're marginally more functional than the last one - but no more than the difference from any prior revision |
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| 03:44.08 | Zanke | what about a fast out of USA one |
| 03:44.18 | drfox | hola gente |
| 03:44.24 | drfox | debian en espańol?? |
| 03:44.56 | infodroid | drfox: what? |
| 03:44.57 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 03:44.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:45.23 | infodroid | that word just cracks me up, Hispanohablantes |
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| 03:46.59 | Zanke | reformatting drive |
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| 03:47.24 | Zanke | hey anyone know what types of harddrives i can fit in a micron PC from like '99 |
| 03:47.58 | infodroid | probably not a scsi drive |
| 03:48.09 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: So when you say that I shouldn't expect the best performance, will I still be OK if I have hardware RAID 0+1 for a total of 600GB |
| 03:48.42 | mhall_ | Zanke: your best bet is getting a WD retail box drive, you get a free Promise controller with 48-bit LBA and a boot BIOS |
| 03:48.44 | Zanke | infodroid: it was a serve...came with a scsi |
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| 03:48.49 | mhall_ | Zanke: Linux support is 100% |
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| 03:49.08 | mhall_ | Zanke: SCSI so far as I understand does not have a capacity problem, but double check |
| 03:49.34 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: I'm mostly thinking of archival purposes. |
| 03:49.50 | Zanke | mhall_: only problem is it is only 10gigs |
| 03:49.51 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: Not so much active multi-client transactional stuff. |
| 03:49.58 | Cyber_NY | how do install/get kde through the internet...be kind i'm new to this |
| 03:50.21 | mhall_ | Zanke: yeah, if it's a decent SCSI controller just grab a fresh SCSI disk and be done with it |
| 03:50.41 | mhall_ | Zanke: if it's an old pokey SCSI controller it might be time to think SATA for future proofing |
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| 03:50.52 | dondelelcaro | mhall_: dunno... I really haven't played much with sata-ii since most of my machines are u320 |
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| 03:50.58 | mhall_ | Zanke: I doubt you'd want to pay for Ultra160/320 |
| 03:51.00 | Azar | if I have Debian Woody 3.0r2 with linux 2.4.18 and I wish to upgrade the kernel where I could go to see what is available in "stable", what is the debian site that shows what I can get? |
| 03:51.20 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: So, pay the $100 to cover my ass, and then use/don't use it as time goes on? |
| 03:51.25 | shingouz | Azar: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 03:51.26 | Zanke | i dont know wha it is, i have put together a pc before but this thing has a huge metal box with 5 hd slots and regualr hds dont fit, i tried, but the scsi that is in there does |
| 03:51.33 | Azar | thank you shingouz |
| 03:51.37 | shingouz | np |
| 03:51.56 | Azar | um I wonder what I could pick for woody stable |
| 03:51.58 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: I could afford either so it's somewhat arbitrary, but that still does not free me from a concern that I be financially expedient in my purchasing decision. |
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| 03:52.21 | Azar | :) |
| 03:52.23 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: I have made the mistake of scrimping on onboard controllers before and often come to wish I hadn't. |
| 03:52.28 | shingouz | Azar: the latest kernel? :) |
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| 03:52.39 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: So I'm pulling out the stops and going to server-grade stuff. |
| 03:52.47 | Zanke | http://support.mpccorp.com/apps/complist.asp?SerialNo=1628413-0001 |
| 03:53.04 | Zanke | that is the servers stats before i put nix on it |
| 03:53.07 | mhall_ | Zanke: all your serial is belong to me |
| 03:53.17 | Zanke | lol |
| 03:53.21 | Zanke | i care not |
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| 03:53.29 | mhall_ | ;-) |
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| 03:53.40 | mhall_ | Zanke: Somebody set me up the logic bomb? |
| 03:53.43 | Kupal[] | whats a good console program to reaad maildir vmail type boxes... |
| 03:53.47 | jcarr | I'm having sucky connection problems |
| 03:53.54 | dondelelcaro | mhall_: ah... yeah, I totally bypass the onboard controllers... since most onboard controllers are crap anyway |
| 03:53.55 | jcarr | irc works |
| 03:53.58 | jcarr | http does not |
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| 03:54.00 | jcarr | why!/ |
| 03:54.00 | Azar | shingouz I guess there is nothing higher than what I actually have |
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| 03:54.21 | dondelelcaro | mhall_: but then, I haven't been following the really high end stuff lately... so I'm kind of out of the loop |
| 03:54.31 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: Well I have been reading there is no HW IDE RAID 0+1 controller better than the nForce 4 Pro's |
| 03:54.32 | shingouz | Azar: might very well be that way, i havent checked what woody does these days :( |
| 03:54.45 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: Apparently this is an extremely good product. |
| 03:54.58 | Azar | well I will just compile what I have for the sake of learning |
| 03:55.03 | mhall_ | dondelelcaro: And my understanding is that if there are problems I will have enterprise support. |
| 03:55.03 | Kupal[] | mhall_: really, that doesn't sound right. |
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| 03:55.05 | drasko | asg, I'm gone... I'll chech the moodle forum tomorrow, now I'm just too tired... Thanks once again for all your help. I really learned a lot! |
| 03:55.08 | dondelelcaro | mhall_: could be... I'm using the 3ware stuff on my sta box. |
| 03:55.12 | dondelelcaro | s/sta/sata/ |
| 03:55.17 | Kupal[] | mhall_: i would think some adaptec or 3ware would be... |
| 03:55.25 | mhall_ | Kupal[]: Apparently their CPU utilization performance and reliability are quite good. |
| 03:55.31 | Kupal[] | the sw raid in linux is actually quite good thos soo. |
| 03:55.46 | Kupal[] | (atleast the new stuff) |
| 03:55.46 | mhall_ | Kupal[]: It does make sense if you look back over time with nv chipsets. |
| 03:55.51 | mhall_ | They have been rather good. |
| 03:56.05 | Azar | shingouz, I was wondering what would be the proper order: recompile kernel, get and install xfree86 then nvidia, in that particular order? |
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| 03:56.13 | merlincorey | help! |
| 03:56.21 | Kupal[] | mhall_: their chipsets where really sw based hardware raid (thier is some sort of idiom, or mis nomer) |
| 03:56.26 | merlincorey | someone is trying to convert a perfectly good debian user to MEPIS. I need fire, quickly :( |
| 03:56.27 | jcarr | HELP!!!!! |
| 03:56.36 | Kupal[] | where ? |
| 03:56.40 | merlincorey | on a forum I frequent |
| 03:56.47 | mhall_ | Kupal[]: apparently they have moved awayay from this |
| 03:56.50 | Kupal[] | well guess hes fubared. |
| 03:56.53 | jcarr | why!/ |
| 03:56.56 | jcarr | HELP!!!!! |
| 03:57.04 | merlincorey | :p |
| 03:57.08 | merlincorey | it's ok |
| 03:57.09 | jcarr | heheheh |
| 03:57.19 | Kupal[] | jcarr: stuff like that is annoying man. |
| 03:57.24 | shingouz | Azar: i hope those help a bit |
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| 03:57.30 | merlincorey | so far all they've put in MEPIS' favor is that they listened to some music over shoutcast from the live cd while installing |
| 03:57.38 | merlincorey | and I'm pointing out that this user already has debian installed |
| 03:57.40 | Azar | shingouz thank you my question was more about: what was first? the egg or the chicken? |
| 03:57.42 | RedHatBlackMan | Im getting screwed in the ass by debian!! make it stop! |
| 03:57.43 | merlincorey | so they would get no benefit from MEPIS |
| 03:57.43 | merlincorey | :p |
| 03:57.51 | mhall_ | Zanke: OK I investigated your drive situation. |
| 03:57.54 | RedHatBlackMan | Im getting screwed in the ass by debian!! make it stop! |
| 03:58.01 | Kupal[] | merlincorey: well for a n00b its good. good gui during install.. which debian clone has xorg init? |
| 03:58.04 | shingouz | Azar: dobermann :) |
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| 03:58.09 | shingouz | Azar: i am not sure |
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| 03:58.34 | mhall_ | Zanke: SCA hard drives are available all over the place for very low surplus prices. |
| 03:58.43 | TCW | requested by bob2: "thanks!" <- how does that work? A freenode-feature? |
| 03:58.43 | mhall_ | Zanke: Just get a bigger one and hook it up. |
| 03:58.44 | jcarr | Kupal[], I like to be like others, and assume everyone is psychic! |
| 03:58.49 | Kupal[] | RedHatBlackMan: passwd root then have someone else type the password in and ake them swear not to give it to you. |
| 03:58.51 | bob2 | TCW: yes |
| 03:58.51 | jcarr | I need help! Could someone help me!!! |
| 03:58.55 | shingouz | Azar: i guess first install the X on the system, then start tweaking it |
| 03:58.57 | bob2 | jcarr: stop it |
| 03:58.58 | mhall_ | Zanke: make sure it's a compatible SCSI protocol |
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| 03:59.07 | Azar | shingouz I learned that the xfree should be installed after a new kernel install or reconfigure, but I am not sure if to install nvidia first or xfree.. |
| 03:59.08 | Zanke | in otherwords, just push it into the slot in the front of the server lol |
| 03:59.16 | TCW | bob2, where is the differnece to a kick? Is someone really "asked" to go away? |
| 03:59.18 | Azar | oh, I see |
| 03:59.25 | mhall_ | !tell jcarr about ep |
| 03:59.28 | jcarr | bob2: CAN YOU HELP ME!? |
| 03:59.33 | Kupal[] | Azar: xfree |
| 03:59.34 | jcarr | I NEED HELP!!! |
| 03:59.39 | Kupal[] | jcar, please .. |
| 03:59.39 | bob2 | jcarr: shut up |
| 03:59.40 | merlincorey | Kupal[]: got me |
| 03:59.41 | merlincorey | :) |
| 03:59.42 | shingouz | Azar: i'd install the X first just to be sure the monitor etc are configured correctly, otherwise it might get a bit hairy |
| 03:59.57 | jcarr | bob2, plz!!! |
| 04:00.01 | mhall_ | 19:56 Ignoring ALL from jcarr |
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| 04:00.04 | kingsley_ | holycow: I'm happy to report that switching to the same protocol that's in your X config file allowed my mouse's scroll wheel to work. |
| 04:00.07 | sussudio | jcarr: on the trolling path again, i see. |
| 04:00.13 | bob2 | TCW: forced-part, yeah. the only advantage is that most idiot kiddies who have auto-rejoin scripts don't know how to trigger on it ;) |
| 04:00.17 | infodroid | jcarr: are you a bot or what |
| 04:00.18 | Azar | ok, thanks shingouz |
| 04:00.20 | jcarr | I need PROFESSIONAL help!!! |
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| 04:00.24 | shingouz | Azar: np |
| 04:00.33 | sussudio | bob2: #debian %*!*@216-138-038-190.adams.net set by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70 (Mon Feb 14 19:34:35) |
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| 04:00.36 | Kupal[] | so no one knwos of a good console program to view maildir format where the boxes are not as dictated by /etc/passwd |
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| 04:00.37 | holycow | kingsley_ any time brotha :) glad it worked |
| 04:00.42 | sussudio | bob2: he's been evading bans for months |
| 04:00.44 | jcarr | sorry, it's out of my system :) |
| 04:00.47 | Zanke | mhall_: so think i can get them from like best buy, or just off of the net? |
| 04:00.52 | vulture | Kupal[]: mutt. |
| 04:00.55 | jcarr | sussudio, nah, I keep getting unbanned |
| 04:01.04 | mhall_ | Zanke: pricewatch.com search for SCA, you get 10 million hits |
| 04:01.04 | sussudio | that is a set ban, dickhead |
| 04:01.11 | jcarr | how would I keep evading it then? |
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| 04:01.19 | jcarr | I dont change my ip? |
| 04:01.22 | bob2 | jcarr: do you have anything useful to contribute? |
| 04:01.26 | Kupal[] | vulture: can you hold my hand and tell me how to get mutt to view someone else vmail box, seeing as i can't su im lost. |
| 04:01.40 | TCW | bob2, so it is rather NOT a question... at least if we both do understand the same meaning behind "question" ;) but anyhow... thanks for the explanation :) |
| 04:02.00 | bob2 | TCW: oh, sorry, right |
| 04:02.04 | TCW | s/question/demand/ :) |
| 04:02.06 | bob2 | half asleep and hungry |
| 04:02.06 | mhall_ | Zanke: then just pick one with the following: 1) good vendor, 2) right SCSI interface (make sure differential/non-differential is correct), 3) good price and size |
| 04:02.07 | bob2 | yeah |
| 04:02.10 | scarynetworkguy | Kupal[]: And you need to look at somebody elses mail on a box that you aren't root on why?? |
| 04:02.21 | mhall_ | Zanke: older smaller SCA disks in particular are a dime a dozen afaict |
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| 04:02.30 | Zanke | i understood all but #2 |
| 04:02.32 | Kupal[] | vulture: got it |
| 04:02.36 | invisible_jim | anyone had problems compiling ide.ko and/or ide-mod.ko (in 2.6.8.1)? |
| 04:02.42 | mhall_ | Zanke: you could probably get 60G for 20 bux or something |
| 04:02.58 | bob2 | invisible_jim: it sounds like you have another question |
| 04:03.04 | jcarr | heh, I got a 120 Gig off eBay for $80 |
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| 04:03.08 | jcarr | I was amazed :) |
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| 04:03.55 | ducky | what do you do if your task bar disappears? |
| 04:04.01 | Kupal[] | damn multipart messages .. |
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| 04:04.08 | ducky | how do you get it back? |
| 04:04.08 | infodroid | ducky: depends on your distro |
| 04:04.17 | infodroid | ducky: s/distro/desktop |
| 04:04.17 | ducky | Debian Sarge |
| 04:04.19 | Phated | In what wm? |
| 04:04.21 | jcarr | anyone know of some good open source CASE tools? Like rational rose? |
| 04:04.26 | mhall_ | Zanke: The SCA (and its derivative SCA-2) connector is used on disk drives that are meant to be used in a SCSI backplane. It is an 80-pin connector that contains the same 68-pins as the "standard" 68-pin high density SCSI connector plus several power supply pins, a number of pins for control signals and pins to set the SCSI address of the drive. I are not aware of any mating cable connector being available, and if it is, I am sure it is extreme unwieldy. |
| 04:04.29 | ducky | Metacity / Gnome |
| 04:04.32 | jcarr | I been using Dia for class diagrams, |
| 04:04.41 | jcarr | but I'd like something that can generate code too |
| 04:04.52 | mhall_ | Zanke: I think as long as you make sure you get an SCA drive instead of an SCA2 drive you will be OK. |
| 04:05.11 | mhall_ | Zanke: there are many available |
| 04:05.29 | invisible_jim | im trying to compile ide support as modules so i can explicitly include them in my initrd.img in order to boot my new kernel, trouble is, ide.ko and ide-mod.ko fail to be compiled for some reason... |
| 04:05.39 | infodroid | ducky: i don't use it, if all else fails there is #metacity |
| 04:05.44 | bob2 | invisible_jim: well, the debian kernel images built with them as modules |
| 04:05.59 | rukasu | jcarr: Dia gets really slow on bigger diagrams.. take a look at Argo UML |
| 04:06.16 | jcarr | rukasu, yeah, that's been the issue :) |
| 04:06.17 | jcarr | thanks |
| 04:06.23 | rukasu | :) |
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| 04:06.37 | jcarr | dia also seems to compress the fonts to insanely small sizes when I zoom too |
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| 04:07.00 | ducky | how do you soft reboot with out the menu? |
| 04:07.12 | ducky | I tried Ctrl + Alt + Esc |
| 04:07.44 | ducky | nothing |
| 04:07.44 | jcarr | ducky, open a terminal |
| 04:07.44 | infodroid | ducky: bring up a terminal and type sudo reboot |
| 04:07.44 | cycom | WOOHOO! dual 600mhz processors, 1gb ram, 160 gb hd, and I didn't even have to reinstall debian when I moved the hd out of the old box to this one. |
| 04:07.44 | jcarr | su to root |
| 04:07.44 | jcarr | reboot |
| 04:07.44 | samuel | anyone know if there is a package for usbd? |
| 04:07.44 | rukasu | jcarr: argo isn't wonderful either, but pretty good.. http://argouml.tigris.org/ |
| 04:07.44 | Phated | WTF? You're not going to reboot just for your panel. |
| 04:07.44 | ducky | how do you bring up terminal with out any menu's? |
| 04:07.51 | BullWeivelz | what would be the best method for installing on a server that has a raid adapter? Normaly I would just use the floppy install, but for some reason its not working on this server. Also was considering going with the Debian installs from the Dell created packages...i think its some college out of Oregon that made the package. Anyways...whats the best method to deal with this SCSI raid controller? |
| 04:08.15 | infodroid | ducky: switch to a console, CTRL+ALT+{F1,F2...} |
| 04:08.16 | Phated | ducky: Right click on your desktop, select something like launch app or run command... |
| 04:08.16 | Kupal[] | whats uml? |
| 04:08.18 | rukasu | cycom: you where using smp on the previous box too? |
| 04:08.30 | cycom | I didn't config the kernel at all |
| 04:08.32 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: depends on the computer and what the raid is |
| 04:08.41 | cycom | but no, it was a single 300mhz box |
| 04:08.43 | invisible_jim | bob2: i know that if i include the support in the kernel itself that there are no problems, but then i cant boot. |
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| 04:09.03 | rukasu | Kupal: Unified Modelling Language |
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| 04:09.04 | shingouz | cycom: in that case you will still need a kernel that is SMP |
| 04:09.07 | asuffield | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.09 | asuffield | interesting spam |
| 04:09.16 | rukasu | cycom: you are sure its seeing both cpu's? |
| 04:09.31 | rukasu | cocom: 'top' |
| 04:09.35 | cycom | rukasu: no. I'll check |
| 04:09.39 | jcarr | asuffield, that's nothing. I been getting the spam of MD5 hashes |
| 04:10.00 | jcarr | I dont get it.... there's nothing on the spams I get that even hint at an attempted sale of junk |
| 04:10.03 | asuffield | no, it's an honest-to-goodness advert for chinese translation services |
| 04:10.15 | jcarr | oh...lol |
| 04:10.24 | asuffield | no viagra. no porn. no gibberish with an html body |
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| 04:10.38 | cycom | rukasu: it's only seeing one, I'll have to reinstall. :p |
| 04:10.39 | sgeigerbot | ... it's listed as supporting "BBN IAD" on this list: |
| 04:10.39 | sgeigerbot | http://members.toast.net/kmfahey/ports.html |
| 04:10.43 | cycom | oh well. at least it ran |
| 04:10.43 | jcarr | I get alot of nigerian scam emails these days.. although a new one from iraq |
| 04:10.50 | rukasu | cycom: hehhee |
| 04:11.02 | rukasu | cycom: just apt-get install an smp kernel |
| 04:11.09 | asuffield | I can't actually remember the last time I saw a spam that was trying to sell a product |
| 04:11.09 | shingouz | cycom: dont reinstall! |
| 04:11.09 | Kupal[] | did you here about the nigerian who may have your social security number :( |
| 04:11.11 | sgeigerbot | What does this port do? 1032/tcp open iad3 googling isn't helping me solve this. |
| 04:11.12 | jcarr | what were those nigerian scams called? 749s? |
| 04:11.17 | asuffield | 419 scam |
| 04:11.27 | asuffield | oh wait, I can, it was that person who wanted to buy slick wet buffalo hides |
| 04:11.27 | cycom | shingouz: why not, out of curiosity? |
| 04:11.35 | cycom | rukasu: that's not a bad idea. |
| 04:11.38 | jcarr | the iraqi 419 is hillarious |
| 04:11.41 | shingouz | cycom: just install a new kernel and that is it |
| 04:11.49 | Kupal[] | the largest data wherehouse, that the nsa fbi cia use for information was hacked.. these include finicial records and build profiles from what you buy and how you spend... bad shit. |
| 04:11.54 | shingouz | cycom: SMP kernel at that |
| 04:11.58 | infodroid | !tell sgeigerbot about open ports |
| 04:12.04 | jcarr | "I am hospitalized in Saudi Arabia at the moment, but need your help to move $20 million out of Iraq" |
| 04:12.19 | Zanke | whats this mean by coneventional unix server |
| 04:12.27 | cycom | what's the apt-get install for an smp kernel? |
| 04:12.29 | jcarr | the ending is classic... 'I am not an extremist... I am modest." |
| 04:12.43 | cycom | can I just used sources? |
| 04:12.46 | cycom | and set up smp? |
| 04:12.47 | shingouz | cycom: just like any other *deb, apt-get install |
| 04:13.01 | samuel | what are the commands to scan for usb devices? |
| 04:13.04 | sgeigerbot | infodroid: this is on a Windows machine. You are no help. |
| 04:13.29 | infodroid | sgeigerbot: windows, a whole other thing |
| 04:13.35 | cycom | nevermind. I can just use the standard kernel and make it smp |
| 04:13.39 | asuffield | stupid, there isn't $20m *in* iraq |
| 04:13.40 | shingouz | cycom: and if youre planning on cooking up a custom kernel, the system is just the same as you'd do on a single, you just have to hit yes at the "symmetric multi processing" |
| 04:13.41 | invisible_jim | are warnings and errors logged to a file during kernel compile? i need to see why ide.ko seemingly fails to compile... |
| 04:13.44 | speaker11 | hi all |
| 04:13.58 | asuffield | all they have now is mud and oil, and the US has carefully arranged a scheme where they don't pay for the oil |
| 04:14.07 | Zanke | okay while this DLs all the packages, i shall go have a smoke |
| 04:14.07 | shingouz | cycom: has to be smp kernel... compile time option |
| 04:14.09 | cycom | shingouz: I may even be able to just use my old config and add the smp flag |
| 04:14.16 | shingouz | yup |
| 04:14.30 | cycom | shingouz: isn't it changeable in menuconfig? |
| 04:14.34 | Zanke | read over a bit of Web Databases with PHP and MySQL |
| 04:14.38 | shingouz | cycom: of course it is |
| 04:14.53 | cycom | sweet. |
| 04:14.55 | rukasu | samuel: lsusb |
| 04:14.56 | speaker11 | anyone know if there is a linux version of audio generator- and Win app- that places audio controls on a website to control audio |
| 04:15.02 | shingouz | cycom: in the processor specific part i think it was |
| 04:15.02 | infodroid | !tell sgeigerbot about whatports |
| 04:15.18 | cycom | shingouz: perhaps. we shall see |
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| 04:15.44 | samuel | rukasu, are there any others? ive tried that one and nothing is listed |
| 04:15.46 | shingouz | cycom: maybe bus. in tsome of the topmost config items in anycase in menuconfig |
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| 04:15.59 | samuel | so i mostly figure its either not finding it or.... |
| 04:16.03 | rukasu | samuel: thats the only one i know of.. |
| 04:16.23 | BullWeivelz | damn... anyone know what to ask the bot about the dell install cd's for debian? (the raid is a adaptec and is aparently seen by the regular install, but within the install it asks for a floppy... and the floppy drive is dead so that aint going to work...maybe the Dell Server install CD's will work) |
| 04:16.24 | shingouz | cycom: just make the kernel the debian way and even the install is a breeze |
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| 04:16.51 | ibe | i just install debian on this box and i was wonding what might be best resource for getting a resolution higher than 1600x1280 in x |
| 04:17.08 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: adaptec? which particular adaptec? |
| 04:17.18 | infodroid | ibe: probably it is editing /etc/X11X/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:17.32 | BullWeivelz | the driver it starts to load says AIX-7XXX let me go double check that. |
| 04:17.32 | ibe | i have tried that |
| 04:17.43 | mwilson | ibe: "tried"? |
| 04:17.46 | Azar | I installed xserver-xfree86 and I wish to take a peek at it I cannot find where it was installed, it is not in /etc/X11 |
| 04:17.49 | cycom | shingouz: what's the format fo the install for a kernel? |
| 04:17.53 | cycom | the package format that is |
| 04:17.55 | ibe | ues X11 |
| 04:18.00 | ibe | yes sorry |
| 04:18.09 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: not the the module the installer tries to use but the actual hardware |
| 04:18.29 | ibe | Not using default mode "1920x1440" (hsync out of range) |
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| 04:18.37 | BullWeivelz | AIC7896 |
| 04:18.39 | invisible_jim | anyone know if i -need- to include ide and ext3 modules into a initrd.img in order to boot the corresponding kernel on an ide hdd with ext3 fs? or is there another way round? |
| 04:18.41 | shingouz | cycom: if you do the kernel the debian way with make-kpkg you will end up with a regular deb |
| 04:18.53 | shingouz | ibe: get a better monitor |
| 04:19.03 | ibe | shingouz haha |
| 04:19.07 | ibe | thats what i was thinking |
| 04:19.11 | cycom | oh, so I've got to go figure out what the debian handbook says about kernels, yeah? |
| 04:19.17 | shingouz | ibe: sorry, that is how it works out |
| 04:19.25 | shingouz | cycom: sec |
| 04:19.32 | cycom | sec? |
| 04:19.38 | ibe | all though i am running it at 2048x1536 @ 72 htz on another box |
| 04:19.41 | BullWeivelz | second...give him a second |
| 04:19.45 | shingouz | cycom: http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/KernelCompile.html |
| 04:19.56 | shingouz | that is a pretty good one on the debian way |
| 04:20.17 | ibe | so i was thinking there was a way to get around the EID-specified max in X |
| 04:20.48 | ibe | it just doesnt make sence |
| 04:20.49 | ibe | to me |
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| 04:21.07 | shingouz | ibe: most driver modules do accept ignoreEDID. man the driver and you will see information on the driveroptions |
| 04:21.50 | ibe | shinqouz thanks i will look into that, |
| 04:21.58 | invisible_jim | anyone know if i -need- to include ide and ext3 modules into a initrd.img in order to boot the corresponding kernel on an ide hdd with ext3 fs? or is there another way round? --- please, im banging my head against a wall here... |
| 04:21.59 | shingouz | ibe: if you fsck up your monitor, don't come crying if you disable the edid, it is ther to keep the monitor in one piece |
| 04:22.00 | infodroid | cycom, shingouz: i would suggest http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 04:22.21 | ibe | shingouz haha i know what it can do :) |
| 04:22.25 | ibe | thanks for the warning |
| 04:22.29 | ibe | i will send you the bill |
| 04:22.55 | Kupal[] | anyone know what type of hardware i should use for a radius box, that will likely do pptp for approximatly 300-1200 users? |
| 04:23.04 | shingouz | infodroid: cycom: true but the one i posted is not quite as techie |
| 04:23.30 | infodroid | shingouz: right, but you need to understand some context, not just follow commands |
| 04:23.39 | shingouz | infodroid: very true |
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| 04:23.59 | BullWeivelz | Kupal: just matters what else your putting on the box. For the most part though a somewhat cheap server will do that if thats all your putting on it. Kinda funny your asking that...im working on building one right now :) |
| 04:24.04 | BucWheat | how do i even begin to troubleshoot an error like this: ./test: error while loading shared libraries: libcomedi-0.7.22.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 04:24.06 | BucWheat | ? |
| 04:24.10 | ibe | shingouz its a 21" sony so i know it can handel 2048x1536 @ 72 hertz, i am using the nvidia kernel driver |
| 04:24.31 | shingouz | ibe: your mileage may vary as they say ;) |
| 04:24.40 | ibe | ha yes |
| 04:24.48 | mwilson | BucWheat: You're kidding, right? |
| 04:24.49 | infodroid | BucWheat: what are you doing? |
| 04:24.59 | shingouz | ibe: check the nvidia manpage, there should be some info on the disable edid |
| 04:25.00 | BucWheat | mwilson the file is there |
| 04:25.14 | mwilson | BucWheat: Obviously not. |
| 04:25.27 | jetscreamer | is the file in the path |
| 04:25.29 | BucWheat | infodroid i've included comedilib.h in my c program and compiled it with -lcomedi and that was the error i got |
| 04:25.39 | infodroid | BucWheat: you're a bot, baby? |
| 04:25.48 | BucWheat | mwilson this is the path: /usr/local/lib/libcomedi-0.7.22.so |
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| 04:26.11 | mwilson | BucWheat: And does ld know about /usr/local/lib ? |
| 04:26.20 | BucWheat | infodroid i'm no bot unfortunately i'm human |
| 04:26.30 | jetscreamer | unfortunately? |
| 04:26.33 | cafuego | Option "IgnoreEDID" "on" |
| 04:26.35 | prozaknathan | where is the device manager for knoppix? |
| 04:26.36 | BucWheat | mwilson i didn't see /etc/ld.so.conf to add it |
| 04:26.38 | infodroid | hehe |
| 04:26.45 | infodroid | he had me there |
| 04:26.50 | jetscreamer | prozaknathan, it's on #knoppix |
| 04:26.52 | shingouz | ibe: don't msg me |
| 04:27.00 | ibe | ok sorry |
| 04:27.03 | mwilson | BucWheat: Yes, so? There was some reason you didn't create the file? |
| 04:27.09 | ibe | do you happen to know what the man page for the nvidia driver is called |
| 04:27.10 | BucWheat | man that was embarrassing shingouz heh |
| 04:27.12 | cycom | so should I just download a kernel, or should I use apt-get? |
| 04:27.18 | cafuego | 2048x1536 on 21" gets a bit unreadable unless you use aHUGE font, though. |
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| 04:27.24 | jetscreamer | ibe it's called README.txt |
| 04:27.24 | Azar | woody stable does not get XFree86Config-4 ? |
| 04:27.28 | infodroid | BucWheat: why is this a #debian problem? |
| 04:27.30 | shingouz | BucWheat: huh? |
| 04:27.44 | BucWheat | shingouz just joshing |
| 04:27.49 | shingouz | ah |
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| 04:27.51 | shingouz | :) |
| 04:28.04 | BucWheat | infodroid cause i'm debian is my OS and i have no one else to run to |
| 04:28.09 | infodroid | BucWheat: you've got ld path issues you say? |
| 04:28.16 | cafuego | BucWheat: Did you just COMPLETELY ignore me when i told you to use the prepackaged comedi support in debian the other day? |
| 04:28.24 | jetscreamer | ibe you have to d/l it. it's right next to the .run. |
| 04:28.25 | drac | Azar: nah. it's XF86Config-4 |
| 04:28.34 | jetscreamer | cafuego, seems so. |
| 04:28.44 | mwilson | cafuego: He's good at that. |
| 04:29.01 | BucWheat | cafuego i could never get that working so i have to use the tarballs and make-kpkg |
| 04:29.13 | BucWheat | s/have/had |
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| 04:29.29 | jetscreamer | did he just say apt-get install was too complicated he needed to compile it? |
| 04:29.37 | cafuego | BucWheat: Did you file a bug against the package or was is a user-is-broken problem? |
| 04:29.47 | BucWheat | cafuego so the answer is no i did not ignore you i tried it |
| 04:29.49 | shingouz | jetscreamer: yes, i think i heard him say it |
| 04:29.58 | Zanke | what is a locale |
| 04:29.58 | mwilson | BucWheat: You're going to have trouble convincing me that you don't have a ld.so.conf file, but even if you didn't, what was the reason you didn't go ahead and create it? |
| 04:30.07 | jetscreamer | Zanke, like what language you use |
| 04:30.10 | BucWheat | cafuego after not getting it to work i posted my problem on comedi mailing list and they instructed me to do it another way |
| 04:30.16 | cycom | heh. I just realized, I already know how to compile a kernel. I thought there was some special trick to debian, but once again I am just silly and wrong |
| 04:30.20 | Zanke | thought so |
| 04:30.33 | jetscreamer | Zanke, you can have >1 defined also |
| 04:30.34 | cycom | I have done a few gentoo stage 1s, so I can do more than I though |
| 04:30.37 | cafuego | BucWheat: So now you're not using debian software anf you're wanting help on #debian. |
| 04:30.39 | cycom | I still ain't great though |
| 04:30.40 | BucWheat | mwilson i was going to do a search to see if it were located some place else before i created it |
| 04:31.04 | shingouz | cycom: just that you do not use the make bzimage or whatever, you use make-kpkg and dpkg --install |
| 04:31.04 | mwilson | BucWheat: And exactly how or why would it be located somewhere else? |
| 04:31.08 | BucWheat | cafuego my problem now isn't linux dist. specific |
| 04:31.21 | Azar | this sounds so silly but do I have to get XF86Config separately, I just got xfree86-common and xserver-xfree86 and cannot see the XF86Config-4 anywhere |
| 04:31.31 | cafuego | BucWheat: Unfortunately this channel is. |
| 04:31.34 | BucWheat | mwilson dunno. didn't want to break anything by just putting it there which is why i posted my problem here before i did anything |
| 04:31.36 | cycom | shingouz: yeah, that |
| 04:31.37 | cycom | 's |
| 04:31.41 | cycom | not that different |
| 04:31.56 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it gets installed when you install xserver-xfree86. If you don't have it, you need to use the conf-miss option. |
| 04:32.02 | shingouz | cycom: makes the install super simple and perry much bulletproof |
| 04:32.05 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 04:32.05 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 04:32.32 | cycom | shingouz: nothing is bulletproof. They just find different ways of taking the damage without hurting what's inside. |
| 04:32.51 | shingouz | cycom: *pretty much* :) |
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| 04:33.03 | mwilson | Why do these people think they have any business owning a computer? |
| 04:33.08 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro |
| 04:33.16 | jetscreamer | mwilson, bill told them to |
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| 04:33.27 | cycom | shingouz: *shrug* I could read it. in fact, I read it as 'pretty much' |
| 04:33.30 | cafuego | jetscreamer: I bet Bill didn't tell them to run Linux. |
| 04:33.43 | jetscreamer | he overpriced it |
| 04:33.47 | BucWheat | mwilson i created the file in /etc and put the full path to the lib in question and ran ldconfig and i get the same error |
| 04:34.07 | infodroid | isn't this like #gcc? |
| 04:34.14 | jetscreamer | cafuego, it was a subtle msg from bill: 'windows borks, run linux' |
| 04:34.15 | shingouz | cycom: meaning i wasnt meaning it actually is, i said it was pretty much which usually is taken to mean almost |
| 04:34.26 | BucWheat | mwilson nm. i got it |
| 04:35.12 | BucWheat | mwilson since i didn't have a ld.so.conf how does debian know to use /lib and other libraries ? |
| 04:35.22 | BucWheat | mwilson if there isn't a /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| 04:35.39 | TCW | np: pacha - 05 - in the music (original mix) - deepswing.mp3 |
| 04:35.40 | Zanke | it was funny, there was alot of dust and stuff in my drive section(where the 5 drive bays are) and icouldn't get it out, so i turned the 2 ginormous fans connected to that HD section around and the dust just flew out of there |
| 04:35.50 | TCW | Ooops... wrong channel :) |
| 04:36.42 | BucWheat | TCW hehe |
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| 04:37.04 | cycom | really helps if you have the date right :/ |
| 04:37.13 | shingouz | huh? |
| 04:38.12 | Azar | hmmmm strange, I reinstalled and XF86Config-4 is a no show, how can I find it? |
| 04:38.34 | shingouz | Azar: shound be in /etc/X11 |
| 04:38.37 | infodroid | Azar: if you ever forget, try dpkg -L xserver-xfree86 | less |
| 04:38.46 | Azar | shingouz, I know I look there it is not |
| 04:38.59 | prozaknathan | ndiswrapper doesnt do anything after i pick the .inf file do i have to run a command after i run that program? |
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| 04:39.58 | Azar | oh god |
| 04:40.05 | Azar | is in X11R6 |
| 04:40.26 | infodroid | Azar: are you sure thats a debian package you got there? |
| 04:40.27 | BucWheat | is there a kiosk package available in debian ? |
| 04:40.56 | BucWheat | i would like to have Xwindows boot up and just show a webpage (fullscreen) and that is it. |
| 04:41.03 | michal_ | anyone know of any tools to automatically strip crap (ie empty definitions) from css files generated by programs like DreamWeaver? |
| 04:41.05 | BucWheat | there will be no mouse or keyboard either |
| 04:41.26 | BucWheat | michal_ regular expressions via perl |
| 04:41.36 | Azar | infodroid, I assume, I downloaded and installed with apt-get |
| 04:41.47 | michal_ | bucwheat: i was more interested in something that was CSS specific actually |
| 04:41.55 | infodroid | Azar, tell me, what version debian you running |
| 04:41.59 | BucWheat | michal_ oh |
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| 04:42.32 | Azar | infodroid, I just fresh installed Debian Woody 3.0r2 linux 2.4.18 |
| 04:42.39 | cycom | my config in boot says that I have smp enabled in the config |
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| 04:42.52 | michal_ | what sort of regex would match "anything { whitespace }" anyway? |
| 04:43.46 | shingouz | cycom: that does sound good then |
| 04:44.05 | bob2 | michal_: a fairly simple one |
| 04:44.08 | infodroid | Azar, did you "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86?" |
| 04:44.36 | shingouz | cycom: you can check if you run duals with less /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:44.41 | Azar | infroid, I am afraid I did not :) |
| 04:44.45 | cycom | it shows single shingouz |
| 04:44.58 | infodroid | Azar, try it will create your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and manage it with debconf |
| 04:44.59 | shingouz | cycom: new kernel, here we come :) |
| 04:45.00 | michal_ | is there a manpage with regexp basics? |
| 04:45.00 | chealer | infodroid: -plow is default |
| 04:45.17 | cycom | shingouz: the old one has it enabled, but it's not running? odd. |
| 04:45.17 | infodroid | chealer, didn't think so, not on sarge? |
| 04:45.18 | cycom | whatever. |
| 04:45.32 | infodroid | chealer: he's using woody, got it |
| 04:45.36 | chealer | michal_: man grep explains, but I don't know if these are "universal" regexes |
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| 04:45.59 | Azar | aha now I know what I was doing wrong, I did not used debconf |
| 04:45.59 | BucWheat | michal_ i prefer #perl |
| 04:45.59 | kaber | hey |
| 04:46.03 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 04:46.05 | chealer | infodroid: I'm on sarge... it may be different on woody :? |
| 04:46.17 | kaber | how do you apt-get upgarde the kernel so it can jump to 2.5.66 or 2.5.44 |
| 04:46.19 | cycom | shingouz: w/e. I'm making dep now |
| 04:46.30 | shingouz | cycom: when you boot the box, does the bios look like it is activating the second cpu? if not.. welll |
| 04:46.31 | BucWheat | michal_ i'm still in the middle of Learning Perl by O'Rielly |
| 04:46.37 | michal_ | i constantly forget the character for beggining of a line, whitespace, etc |
| 04:46.44 | chealer | 2.5.66 to 2.5.44 : haha |
| 04:46.49 | cycom | shingouz: the bios sees 2. |
| 04:47.06 | BucWheat | michal_ so i'm not a regex pro yet. i'm still a newb |
| 04:47.07 | Zanke | so, anyone know why the code names for releases are based on toy story? |
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| 04:47.10 | infodroid | chealer: the priority was not set to low on the d-i i been using |
| 04:47.14 | chealer | michal_: man grep tells befinninf of line anyway |
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| 04:47.29 | cycom | is bogomips related to speed in mhz? |
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| 04:47.44 | cycom | if it is, well, the duals are running as a single, but at speed |
| 04:47.44 | chealer | infodroid: that's different. invoking dpkg-reconfigure -plow is default |
| 04:47.52 | shingouz | cycom: in that case it is a kernel issue. there just may be some oddities with the system bus. incidentally, the computer you have there is not an IBM PCSercer 704, is it? |
| 04:47.52 | peterS | cycom: it's related in a chip-specific way |
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| 04:48.06 | michal_ | so something like "any string of characters starting at the beggining of a line followed by { whitespace }" is what i am trying to match |
| 04:48.06 | peterS | cycom: i.e., you can't draw any conclusions about it without knowing the model of CPU |
| 04:48.07 | cycom | shingouz: er...no |
| 04:48.30 | infodroid | chealer: gotcha |
| 04:48.45 | Kupal[] | here is the first article to make me think twice about debian: http://www.roaringpenguin.com/penguin/open_source_rp-pppoe.php |
| 04:48.47 | michal_ | it shows empty strings at beggining of a line.. |
| 04:48.52 | shingouz | cycom: good. in that case linux should be able to use both cpu's. the 704 has a corollary bus which is not supported by linux |
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| 04:49.02 | michal_ | what's an empty string anyway? whitespace? |
| 04:49.14 | infodroid | Kupal[]: ooh i'm shaking |
| 04:49.33 | ClawHammer | whats the best kernel to use? |
| 04:49.39 | mwilson | michal_: When did whitespace become empty? |
| 04:49.46 | Kupal[] | infodroid: makes you think tho, what other packages could have been created in an insecure manner. |
| 04:50.00 | michal_ | mwilson: well if whitespace isn't empty then what is? |
| 04:50.07 | cycom | peterS: it's an asus mobo with dual PIIIs |
| 04:50.49 | peterS | cycom: I don't remember offhand what the bogomips / MHz relationship is for PIII |
| 04:50.49 | jetscreamer | it's space |
| 04:51.02 | infodroid | Kupal[]: its a load of crap, that piece, to be honest. the tone is just biased to begin with. |
| 04:51.05 | jetscreamer | whitespace...space... must be totally unrelated... |
| 04:51.07 | chealer | ClawHammer: it depends your distro and what you're looking for |
| 04:51.08 | BucWheat | cycom are you running raid on that board ? |
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| 04:51.25 | michal_ | jetscreamer: mwilson disagrees |
| 04:51.30 | chealer | ClawHammer: s/distro/release (sarge, woody) |
| 04:51.34 | cycom | BucWheat: no. it has scsi, but I have an IDE drive. |
| 04:51.39 | shingouz | cycom: there is always the off chance that the specific mobo is not supported but all my smp boxen show all cpu's separately in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:51.43 | jetscreamer | michal_, can't tell |
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| 04:52.04 | cycom | shingouz: it could just be because the system was installed in a box that had a single PII |
| 04:52.36 | shingouz | cycom: once you get the new kernel there it should be happily poodling around on two cpu's |
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| 04:54.00 | cycom | shingouz: peterS I just checked the cpuinfo again, and it only shows one processor, it shows it as 600mhz, and it shows it as 1199.30 bogomips |
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| 04:54.21 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok man it's done the instalation, should i use tasksel? |
| 04:54.21 | peterS | cycom: right, so two bogomips per MHz. that sounds plausible |
| 04:54.30 | cycom | peterS: ok |
| 04:54.32 | shingouz | cycom: running single at the time |
| 04:54.46 | peterS | cycom: note that the bogomips rating in /proc/cpuinfo is per-CPU, so the fact that you have two CPUs isn't really relevant |
| 04:55.04 | shingouz | MMXcr: umm.. on the 200MHz box? not really, tasksel installs too fat of a system |
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| 04:55.51 | cycom | peterS: I was trying to determine if it was seeing 2 processors as one for some odd reason. through sever myopia, I was looking at only the friggen bogos instead of checking mhz. dur. |
| 04:56.09 | cycom | pity I can't use the full grunt of the dualies to compile that kernel |
| 04:57.01 | BucWheat | cycom i asked because i'm about to try RAID 1 with 80GB SATA drives and this will be my first attempt in linux |
| 04:57.14 | shingouz | cycom: once you get the duals there you also have to start using the -j option on the compiler to get more threads |
| 04:57.31 | peterS | cycom: /proc/cpuinfo will have a separate block of data for each CPU. |
| 04:57.31 | michal_ | anyone know what the auxillary port on cisco 1720 routers is for? |
| 04:57.39 | peterS | cycom: so it'll be obvious whether it's seeing them both or not |
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| 04:58.05 | shingouz | BucWheat: hardware raid on linux runs well as long as the controller is supported. most are i think |
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| 04:58.24 | cycom | shingouz: like makeopts = "-j(2xprocessors + 1)" in gentoo, right? |
| 04:58.26 | BucWheat | shingouz interesting. let me grab the controller info |
| 04:58.32 | shingouz | cycom: yes |
| 04:58.39 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok man |
| 04:58.39 | nz17 | I know this is an odd question, but does anyone know of a Web site where one could buy pre-built Linux PVRs? |
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| 04:58.53 | cycom | peterS: I thought so, but I've never done dualies before. |
| 04:58.58 | shingouz | cycom: join #flood and i'll show you what the cpuinfo looks like |
| 04:59.10 | cycom | I remember running a liveCd on this a ways ago and seeing two penguins on boot :) |
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| 04:59.45 | michal_ | never mind.. finally found it.. it's for configuring over a modem |
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| 05:00.03 | cafuego | cycom: Except you want num_of_procs+1 (not times 2) |
| 05:00.05 | Azar | good night and thank you all again :) |
| 05:00.53 | cafuego | cycom: it might be different on bogger boxen, but if you go over -j3 on a dual cpu box, compiles slow down again. |
| 05:00.59 | cafuego | s/bogger/bigger/ |
| 05:01.30 | chealer | is lm-sensors supposed to reboot system when a temperature reaches critical temperature? also, is it supposed or possible to log when the temp reaches high or limit? |
| 05:01.42 | humbolt | is there a way to get the zone entries of a named.conf on a primary dns in the secondaries as slave entries without doing it by hand or with a custom script? |
| 05:01.43 | Strife | so how do I rerun configuration that occurs at first install? e.g., the network setup? |
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| 05:02.15 | cafuego | chealer: 'sensorsd' logs to syslog, I think it can be configured to switch a machine off (but really, use the BIOS for that, as lm-sensors *can* return incorrect values) |
| 05:02.19 | Zanke | okay i am trying to run startx and i get "(++) VESA(0): DPI set to (100, 100), (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes)" screens found, but non have a usable configuration |
| 05:02.30 | cafuego | !noscreensfound |
| 05:02.30 | dpkg | from memory, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 05:03.24 | Zanke | wow...there's a bot for everything |
| 05:03.47 | chealer | !everything |
| 05:03.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, everything is something, or the everything engine, a Content Management System found at http://www.everydevel.com, or http://www.everything2.com/ |
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| 05:04.26 | Zanke | says select the desired X server drive...i have an nvidia geforce 4 mx 420..what do i pick? |
| 05:04.39 | chealer | nvidia if you want 3D |
| 05:04.47 | Zanke | i dont see nvidia |
| 05:04.59 | chealer | it's because you have to install it... |
| 05:05.02 | BucWheat | shingouz the chipset is via VT8237 |
| 05:05.04 | chealer | !tell Zanke about nvidia |
| 05:05.23 | chealer | Zanke: maybe you'd better try to fix your problem using nv first though |
| 05:05.43 | shingouz | BucWheat: not sure... i begin to think i might need a couple of hours of shuteye, im getting too slow |
| 05:06.22 | cafuego | Zanke: You need to compile the proprietary nvidia driver. |
| 05:06.27 | BucWheat | hehe sleep well shingouz as i'll be able to test sata raid tomorrow :) |
| 05:06.34 | shingouz | :) |
| 05:06.51 | Strife | does ndiswrapper require a 2.6 kernel or something? |
| 05:07.12 | shingouz | BucWheat: do some googling on the raid, you might find some information on it. be creative with the searches |
| 05:07.29 | BucWheat | shingouz i'm there now |
| 05:07.35 | chealer | cafuego: ok I didn't have sensord... is there any debian question which's answer doesn't start by apt-get? |
| 05:07.44 | Zanke | okok get this (--) asigning device section with no busID to primary device (EE) No devices detected. |
| 05:07.48 | Zanke | thats with nv |
| 05:08.00 | Zanke | and no to the framebuffer question |
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| 05:08.16 | shingouz | chealer: just in case, youre not running the lmsensors on a thinkpad there, are you? |
| 05:08.20 | Zanke | i hate X |
| 05:08.34 | chealer | shingouz: no... why? |
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| 05:08.48 | chealer | Zanke: hehe, don't use it then :) |
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| 05:09.09 | Zanke | i need to |
| 05:09.11 | Zanke | well |
| 05:09.11 | Cyber_NY | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.13 | Zanke | not need |
| 05:09.15 | shingouz | chealer: just that some thinkpads reportedly get some odd errors with lmsensors. havent checked it out, just sometihng i ran across while googling |
| 05:09.17 | Zanke | butr want |
| 05:09.19 | chealer | Zanke: google can probably help you |
| 05:09.19 | Zanke | but* |
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| 05:10.30 | infodroid | Zanke: read that Debian Reference manual i sent |
| 05:10.44 | Cyber_NY | any ideas |
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| 05:11.11 | AP03 | can anyone help: ./configure yielded "cannot find expect.h. please install expect". then "locate expect.h" yields "/usr/include/tcl8.4/expect.h" wtf? |
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| 05:12.18 | technoMyst | Anyone know of a good free webmail client other then squirrelmail? |
| 05:12.27 | Cyber_NY | what numerical versial is sarge |
| 05:12.35 | Cyber_NY | version |
| 05:12.44 | timo | AP03, you probably need expect-dev |
| 05:12.55 | chealer | !tell Cyber_NY about releases |
| 05:12.58 | AP03 | timo: i apt-got that thats how i have the expect.h |
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| 05:13.03 | AP03 | timo: any other suggestions? |
| 05:13.26 | aurax | hi |
| 05:13.38 | Cyber_NY | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.57 | Cyber_NY | i figured if nobody knows i figured try sarge |
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| 05:14.14 | timo | AP03, what are you compiling? |
| 05:14.25 | AP03 | timo: gvpndialer |
| 05:15.04 | AP03 | timo: do you want the link? |
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| 05:15.44 | buu | How do I format a partition? |
| 05:15.53 | peterS | buu: mkfs.filesystemtype |
| 05:15.58 | buu | ! |
| 05:16.00 | buu | Thanks |
| 05:16.06 | buu | Get back in #perl where you belong. |
| 05:16.29 | timo | AP03, try telling the configure script that expect headers are in /usr/include/tcl8.4 |
| 05:16.33 | dondelelcaro | buu: you're the one who's lost... |
| 05:16.35 | peterS | buu: ha |
| 05:16.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah, really |
| 05:16.44 | buu | Lost in debian land =[ |
| 05:17.08 | buu | What is this "5% reserved for super user" business? |
| 05:17.15 | cafuego | Cyber_NY: KDE would never say that. |
| 05:17.24 | dondelelcaro | buu: that's just the default. superuser needs to be able to write to the disk even when it's full |
| 05:17.30 | buu | Hmph. |
| 05:17.37 | cafuego | buu: That's 5% extra space in case some retards spams the disk full of crap. |
| 05:17.46 | buu | Since I'm not going to do that.. |
| 05:17.48 | cafuego | buu: So root can still 1) login and 2) delete stuff. |
| 05:18.01 | dondelelcaro | buu: you can change that if you want, but then you'd know how to read the manpage to change the amount. |
| 05:18.06 | buu | Yeah. |
| 05:18.11 | cafuego | buu: See also 'daemon runing as non root logs fills up /var/log' |
| 05:18.38 | buu | .. See that *where* ? |
| 05:19.03 | nullepart | Hi. I have a weird problem with my ppp connection. I use pppoe to connect to my ADSL provider. Up to tonight, I used to be able to connect my ethernet card to my hub, with the ADSL modem connected to the uplink. After a "little problem" (the computer was suddenly unplugged), the only way to connect to the internet is by plugging my modem directly in the ethernet card, without hub. |
| 05:19.07 | nullepart | Now, what is weird is that the hub still works (I checked with another computer), so do the cables, and the hub even gets detected at boot time (I checked the boot messages). What could be wrong? |
| 05:19.11 | dondelelcaro | in the unofficial compendium of problems #debian gets asked over and over again |
| 05:19.17 | buu | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 05:19.20 | humbolt | what is a really easy to user almost gui like text editor for the console? |
| 05:19.24 | buu | Well, no daemon will run on this so |
| 05:19.29 | buu | humbolt: VIM! |
| 05:19.32 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: nano, typically. |
| 05:19.36 | cafuego | buu: Really? I'm sure at last 20 will run. |
| 05:19.44 | buu | cafuego: They won't. |
| 05:19.46 | humbolt | searching with nano sucks |
| 05:19.48 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: but use whatever you like. |
| 05:19.49 | cafuego | buu: They will. |
| 05:19.56 | buu | cafuego: All of my daemons are aimed at /var/log or osmething similar |
| 05:19.57 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: then use something else, like jed, emacs or vim. |
| 05:20.02 | cafuego | buu: Unless you boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 05:20.24 | Cyber_NY | cafuego: i'm trying to start kde i think its xwindows thats giving me that msg $display not set |
| 05:20.26 | Schlafschwein | humbolt: mcedit from mc |
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| 05:20.48 | humbolt | isn't vim like vi just damn :x like commands?? |
| 05:20.59 | nullepart | Does anybody know anything about hubs? |
| 05:21.08 | buu | humbolt: No, it's Vi IMPROVED! |
| 05:21.18 | nullepart | Or rather, the way they are detected in linux? |
| 05:21.19 | cafuego | Cyber_NY: Oh you mean $DISPLAY. 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' 'echo startkde > .xsession' 'startx' |
| 05:21.20 | dondelelcaro | !anybody |
| 05:21.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 05:21.38 | dondelelcaro | nullepart: uh, can you be more vague? what type of hub? Doing what? |
| 05:21.43 | humbolt | but all I see in vim is vi, how do I get to the cool features?? |
| 05:21.54 | humbolt | the easy to use gui like ones?? |
| 05:21.55 | buu | humbolt: :set nocp |
| 05:21.58 | BucWheat | s/see/sees |
| 05:22.00 | buu | Pssh, gui's. |
| 05:22.01 | cafuego | humbolt: :%s/^:x$/:wq/g |
| 05:22.15 | BucWheat | buu since when did you use debian? |
| 05:22.22 | dondelelcaro | M-% |
| 05:22.24 | buu | BucWheat: two years ago, roughly. |
| 05:22.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 05:22.33 | cafuego | humbolt: vim doesn't have those. try 'nano' or 'jed' or 'joe'. |
| 05:22.51 | peterS | dondelelcaro: long ago I copied someone else's idea of a M-r map with all the useful search/replace commands on it somewhere |
| 05:22.51 | humbolt | so what is the improvement of vim then?? |
| 05:23.14 | cafuego | humbolt: it's fast and *relatively* small. |
| 05:23.14 | dondelelcaro | humbolt: loads of things. But if you don't like vi, you won't like vim. |
| 05:23.27 | Zanke | anyways, back to the main problem |
| 05:23.59 | Zanke | i just tried running the preinstalled apache and i got httpd could not be started... |
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| 05:24.16 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: what is the actual error message? Paste it into #flood |
| 05:24.29 | Zanke | this is a different machine |
| 05:24.33 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: check /var/log/apache/error.log if it's not obvious, and/or run /usr/sbin/httpd; |
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| 05:24.38 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: so? |
| 05:24.54 | dondelelcaro | s/httpd/apache/ |
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| 05:24.59 | Zanke | so how would i paste it into flood from a seperate machine? |
| 05:25.07 | Phated | Well, you can just type, can't you? |
| 05:25.16 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: you'd log into the machine using ssh, select the buffer, paste the buffer. |
| 05:25.17 | Cyber_NY | cafuego: msg no screens found |
| 05:25.20 | nullepart | dondelelcaro: I will just reprint my previous message: I've had a little accident: my computer was suddenly unplugged. I used to be able to connect to the internet (ADSL) with pppoe with my ethernet cable plugged to a hub, and the ADSL modem plugged to the uplink of the hub. Not so anymore: I can only connect to the internet with my modem directly plugged into the ethernet card. |
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| 05:25.30 | jetscreamer | how the fuck are you supposed to ask for help from freenode staff if you're fucking devoiced by default in #freenode |
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| 05:25.39 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: what's the problem? |
| 05:25.41 | buu | jetscreamer: pray. |
| 05:25.52 | AP03 | timo: i cant see where to point that - could you take a look please? |
| 05:25.53 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: or just wait for someone to +v you |
| 05:25.53 | jetscreamer | a spammer moron in another chan |
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| 05:26.23 | AP03 | can anyone help: ./configure yielded "cannot find expect.h. please install expect". then "locate expect.h" yields "/usr/include/tcl8.4/expect.h" wtf? |
| 05:26.43 | bob2 | it's best not to use things whiche require TCL |
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| 05:26.48 | cafuego | AP03: Hint: try to not compile stuff if you have no knowledge of how to. |
| 05:26.49 | bob2 | better for everyone |
| 05:26.51 | dondelelcaro | nullepart: the ADSL modem should be plugged into a normal port on the hub unless you're using a crossover cable, or your modem is wired wierdly. |
| 05:26.53 | jetscreamer | he's already gone, dondelelcaro, but thank you |
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| 05:27.04 | bob2 | AP03: this isn't eggdrop, is it? |
| 05:27.04 | Cyber_NY | capuego: msg driver can't support depth 24 |
| 05:27.16 | AP03 | bob2: no, its gvpndialer |
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| 05:27.19 | nullepart | APO3: Look, what don't you try to compile whatever you're trying to do with apt-build? It's easier. |
| 05:27.32 | Zanke | pasting in #flood |
| 05:28.17 | AP03 | nullepart: will that work with non deb pkgs? |
| 05:28.22 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: [Fri Feb 18 04:45:39 2005] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: <-- this would be the critical error. |
| 05:28.22 | nullepart | dondelelcaro: you are right, I forgot to mention it is a corssover cable. |
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| 05:28.42 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: something is already bound to port 80, so apache isn't going to start |
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| 05:29.13 | Zanke | what could that be? is there a way to check? i mean i havent run ANYTHING so it shouldnt have anything bound there |
| 05:29.19 | nullepart | APO3: nah, sorry. It has to be a deb-src. |
| 05:29.24 | Zanke | only stuff running is the default stuff |
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| 05:29.29 | dondelelcaro | nullepart: does the modem link up with the hub? Does the hub link up with the computer? |
| 05:29.36 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: netstat -plunt|grep 80; |
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| 05:31.02 | Zanke | what did that do |
| 05:31.10 | Zanke | didn't spit out anything |
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| 05:31.20 | xerophyte | Does anybody know why do i get this message in the /var/log/messages "VFS: Error 4294967291 occurred while creating quota" ?? |
| 05:31.31 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: then you don't have anything running on 80 anymore. Try /etc/init.d/apache start; and see what happens. |
| 05:32.11 | Zanke | look in flood |
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| 05:34.40 | mith | who was that? |
| 05:34.45 | karsten | Gee, that was subtle. |
| 05:34.54 | bob2 | mith: a five year old with no friends |
| 05:34.58 | lilo | 25,10?? |
| 05:35.02 | ^c | woah |
| 05:35.02 | lilo | not sure that will do much good |
| 05:35.14 | lilo | though you do have 370 in the overflow channel |
| 05:35.27 | karsten | lilo: |
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| 05:35.36 | enerv | i try to compile "LIVES" and i get one erro, "main.c:507: undefined reference to `_gdk_screen_get_default'" somebody? |
| 05:35.39 | dondelelcaro | lilo: we hit the limiter when it isn't 25,10 |
| 05:35.47 | dondelelcaro | lilo: it's pretty much an experimental number that we've chosen |
| 05:35.49 | karsten | lilo: ...pattern match on X-[0-9][0-9]* in name? |
| 05:36.02 | lilo | dondelelcaro: you hit the limiter occasionally I'm sure |
| 05:36.06 | Cyber_NY | driver can't support depth 24....startx...help |
| 05:36.17 | lilo | dondelelcaro: but 25,10 is a lot like not having much protection 8) |
| 05:36.26 | dondelelcaro | lilo: well, 10 floodbots is nothing |
| 05:36.27 | karsten | lilo: ...um. \[x\]-[0-9]\{6\} |
| 05:36.27 | lilo | dondelelcaro: actually, though, that's not right, it's some protection |
| 05:36.30 | jetscreamer | kinda coincidental, spammer in ##linux, spammer here |
| 05:36.35 | karsten | What's 25,10? |
| 05:36.36 | bob2 | lilo: it's better to let some spambots in than to block legitimate users |
| 05:36.38 | bob2 | imho |
| 05:36.42 | valdyn_ | Cyber_NY: "startx -- -bpp 8" |
| 05:37.01 | lilo | bob2: okay |
| 05:37.06 | lilo | dondelelcaro: can I take care of #debian-overflow? |
| 05:37.10 | karsten | bob2: I disagree. It's better too have some legitimate user chewing out their ISP's abuse dpet. |
| 05:37.15 | lilo | dondelelcaro: I want to dline those puppies |
| 05:37.20 | dondelelcaro | lilo: go right ahead |
| 05:37.31 | dondelelcaro | lilo: I just +m'ed it... but do whatever works |
| 05:38.02 | bob2 | karsten: +J will block random legit users, not people on fucked isps |
| 05:38.28 | lilo | I give up, dondelelcaro |
| 05:38.30 | Cyber_NY | valdyn: same error |
| 05:38.36 | lilo | dondelelcaro: your bot is removing them all before I can dline them |
| 05:38.41 | dondelelcaro | lilo: heh |
| 05:38.59 | dondelelcaro | lilo: yeah, after they've been idle for 5 minutes, the bot removes them |
| 05:39.19 | lilo | dondelelcaro: they just hit gentoo |
| 05:39.22 | chealer | cafuego: thanks for sensord, that's working |
| 05:39.23 | buu | How do I tell configure where my lua.h is? |
| 05:39.28 | valdyn_ | Cyber_NY: hmm, wth, dpkg-reconfigure "xserver-xfree86" |
| 05:39.32 | dondelelcaro | lilo: well, I've got the whole list if it helps... |
| 05:39.34 | lilo | dondelelcaro: bigger channel than #debian and hardly noticeable |
| 05:39.58 | dondelelcaro | lilo: just barely, actually... |
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| 05:40.47 | buu | dondelelcaro: !!! |
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| 05:41.00 | cafuego | buu: Same thins as what i said before re compling without a clue |
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| 05:41.04 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: any ideas? |
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| 05:41.12 | bob2 | oh man |
| 05:41.14 | buu | cafuego: What did you say earlier? |
| 05:41.20 | dondelelcaro | hrm... maybe we need to go back to +i |
| 05:41.22 | Phated | buu: Don't. |
| 05:41.22 | Cyber_NY | valdyn: i'm a newbie to all this??? |
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| 05:41.30 | buu | Phated: That's useful. |
| 05:41.30 | cafuego | chealer: Honestly, make it turn off at 60C <heh> |
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| 05:41.41 | Phated | buu: <shrugs> It's what he said. |
| 05:41.46 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: paste the latest error message into #flood, or use the paster bot. /msg dpkg paster |
| 05:41.49 | \Igor\ | ok, for the life of me, I can't figure out how to tell gnome-sound-recorder to use my USB audio device instead of my main card... How? |
| 05:41.50 | buu | Phated: I believe you. |
| 05:42.02 | Phated | I'm happy you do, truly. |
| 05:42.06 | buu | Phated: I know. |
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| 05:42.16 | guestish | o_O |
| 05:42.25 | chealer | cafuego: my systems is frequently rebooting since january start, and I was originally hunting for nvidia module bugs. just realized today it's the CPU...*shrug* |
| 05:42.33 | guestish | someone has a grudge... |
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| 05:42.58 | Phated | Is that like fudge? |
| 05:43.01 | guestish | well hi :) |
| 05:43.03 | buu | Oh hey, it has help options. |
| 05:43.08 | guestish | Phated: try joining #debian-overflow |
| 05:43.17 | jetscreamer | \Igor\, under 'start here'\advanced i think, multimedia systems selector |
| 05:43.23 | scarynetworkguy | No grudge crystals are too big. |
| 05:43.25 | valdyn_ | Cyber_NY: type in a shell "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" <enter> |
| 05:43.32 | Phated | guestish: All right... |
| 05:43.35 | scarynetworkguy | Too be like fudge. |
| 05:43.37 | \Igor\ | jetscreamer: ok, i'll try that |
| 05:43.42 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:43.47 | samuel | anyone know of a good windows driver to handle linux filesystems? ext2? |
| 05:43.48 | guestish | Phated: there were like 220 of'm a few minutes ago |
| 05:43.53 | Phated | Ah. |
| 05:43.56 | jstevens | what vga=#### number do I put in grub to indicate 1600 x 1200 or even 1280x1024? |
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| 05:44.26 | valdyn_ | chealer: your heat paste is gone / fucked / spread bad? |
| 05:44.27 | guestish | Phated: serial numbers and everything :) |
| 05:44.44 | jetscreamer | samuel, ext2fs |
| 05:44.46 | Phated | guestish: "I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN!" ;) |
| 05:44.51 | jetscreamer | man? |
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| 05:44.58 | samuel | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 05:45.01 | guestish | Phated: "resistance is futile" |
| 05:45.01 | Phated | "BOT" :) |
| 05:45.01 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:45.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@pD95F07B4.dip.t-dialin.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 05:45.02 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:45.09 | valdyn_ | chealer: ive had this vice versa, the temp sensor was cooled just fine, the rest of the cpu wasnt |
| 05:45.15 | \Igor\ | jetscreamer: aha! I've been there already, it just lets me select ALSA, but I have two ALSA devices, and I want to use the second one (not the default) |
| 05:45.17 | MMXcr | shingouz: ok man i'm ready let's play a little whith debian |
| 05:45.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.30 | Solet | what the fuck happened there ^ |
| 05:45.40 | \Igor\ | jetscreamer: thanks anyway |
| 05:45.41 | chealer | valdyn_: unsure...I didn't touch CPU since I mounted the PC over 14 months ago. I'm using original AMD fan and taking care to re-"equalclock" the CPU every time my overclock-crazy friend comes here |
| 05:45.44 | guestish | :) |
| 05:45.44 | peterS | Solet: [x]-* are joinflooders |
| 05:45.44 | Solet | 8 million bots... |
| 05:45.52 | guestish | called a botnet |
| 05:45.53 | guestish | !botnet |
| 05:45.55 | *** join/#debian Amadablam (~johnson@host-69-145-229-49.cac-co.client.bresnan.net) |
| 05:45.56 | MMXcr | shingouz: it's great remember the old days, actually my first touch with linux was debian |
| 05:45.58 | guestish | hrm, no factoid |
| 05:46.00 | guestish | o well |
| 05:46.15 | karsten | samuel: There's an ext2fs file explorer. |
| 05:46.16 | guestish | its what they use to do DDoSes |
| 05:46.26 | Solet | yeah i know... but was it from some pissed off n00b that was in here? or what... |
| 05:46.26 | Cyber_NY | valdyn: is there any generic that i could pick....coz i don't have info on the video card |
| 05:46.32 | samuel | jetscreamer, whoohooo! they finally have read AND write support! |
| 05:46.32 | chealer | valdyn_: hehe, badluck. I'm going to log temps this night, put vacuum cleaner in heatsink tomorrow and log more |
| 05:46.34 | valdyn_ | chealer: thats assuming your heatsinks fan is running naturally |
| 05:46.38 | guestish | Solet: maybe |
| 05:46.46 | guestish | Solet: first time i've seen it here |
| 05:46.46 | \Igor\ | what's also great is that the Help button in "Multimedia Systems Selector" doesn't work... |
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| 05:47.03 | samuel | karsten, thanks... http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=43775 (with read-write support) |
| 05:47.06 | Solet | wanna bet the host pc was running windows :P |
| 05:47.16 | chealer | valdyn_: uh, believe me, athlons burn when they have no fan </bad souvenirs> |
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| 05:47.33 | jstevens | I'm in need from some help from anyone who has used bootsplash... I installed bootsplash & a few themes, it appears to have modified the intrid.img, I added the vga=791 and splash=silent tags into the kernel entry on grub, but still doesn't work. on boot I see modified text size, but no image |
| 05:47.35 | valdyn_ | chealer: ive seen a athlon mainboard unable to provide enough power for an _athlon_ original fan - burnt -> overheat cpu, naturally |
| 05:47.39 | karsten | samuel: yeah. I've used it. It's not a filesystem driver, but a file manager, lets you copy to/from ext2fs. |
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| 05:47.40 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:47.41 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@ARennes-252-1-22-180.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:47.41 | *** part/#debian [x]-81636 (~kvmtvk@ARennes-252-1-22-180.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 05:47.41 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:47.57 | Zanke | pasting |
| 05:48.00 | Solet | rofl... join flooding with 1 bot? |
| 05:48.05 | karsten | samuel: ...there's also a filesystem driver IIRC. |
| 05:48.19 | chealer | valdyn_: hum...I have a soltek 85FRN2-L if I remember right (nForce2) and 350 W |
| 05:48.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Can you just pattern match that? Or are you alread? |
| 05:48.22 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 736] by debhelper |
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| 05:48.29 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:48.30 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@218.145.201.175] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:48.30 | *** part/#debian [x]-65297 (~mcofi@218.145.201.175) |
| 05:48.30 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:48.39 | guestish | Solet: they are all in #debian-overflow :) |
| 05:48.39 | valdyn_ | chealer: not the psu, i meant the mainboard power connector for the fan |
| 05:48.40 | samuel | karsten, oh, can you change files? the filesystem driver is read only though no? |
| 05:48.43 | peterS | dondelelcaro: you've got a script running for that join, don't you? |
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| 05:48.44 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:48.47 | guestish | well, they were |
| 05:48.55 | *** mode/#Debian [+b [x]*!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:48.58 | Solet | debian-overflow? |
| 05:48.58 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:49.08 | bob2 | Solet: purgatory for IRC |
| 05:49.09 | lilo | going through the klines now |
| 05:49.10 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 743] by debhelper |
| 05:49.16 | chealer | valdyn_: yeah, it's a nForce2... always trusted it yet |
| 05:49.21 | CyzarX | how can i check which perl api version im using ? |
| 05:49.22 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: done pasting |
| 05:49.22 | guestish | Solet: to deter mass joins there are 2 deterrents: debhelper's channel limit and #debian-overflow |
| 05:49.27 | dondelelcaro | peterS: no... just wandering back and forth... |
| 05:49.30 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 05:49.36 | *** join/#debian siimo (~siimo@siimo.user) |
| 05:49.39 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: that's the same paste that you pasted before... |
| 05:49.40 | *** join/#debian MattF (~Matt@limend.plus.com) |
| 05:49.48 | bob2 | CyzarX: dpkg -l perl | tail -n1 |
| 05:49.52 | Solet | the ircd accually has a feature that can redirect a join? |
| 05:49.55 | Zanke | well it is the new log.. |
| 05:49.58 | lilo | Solet: es |
| 05:50.00 | lilo | erm es |
| 05:50.01 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: there should be new stuff in the log... if you cant see it, just run /usr/sbin/apache |
| 05:50.02 | *** join/#debian dead|shell (~deadsy@ool-44c44e58.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 05:50.03 | guestish | Solet: #debian-overflow is activated by too many joins, and debhelper limits the max channel to something like 20 over the # of people here |
| 05:50.05 | ykahn | Hello there |
| 05:50.05 | lilo | erm yes, I hate this keyboard 8) |
| 05:50.10 | Solet | fuckin crazy |
| 05:50.22 | *** join/#debian sanxiyn (~tinuviel@218.145.51.39) |
| 05:50.32 | guestish | Solet: itworked :0 |
| 05:50.33 | guestish | :) |
| 05:50.38 | peterS | Solet: yes. there's a limit of a certain number of people in channel at a time. this limit is adjusted periodically by debhelper the bot, to hover just over the actual number of people |
| 05:50.42 | sanxiyn | !dpl |
| 05:50.48 | Solet | i am still baffeled by the overflow... |
| 05:50.51 | *** part/#debian siimo (~siimo@siimo.user) |
| 05:50.53 | Zanke | [alert] apache: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 05:50.56 | peterS | Solet: thus, if you join-flood, you quickly throw the channel over the limit and most of you end up in #debian-overflow |
| 05:51.05 | guestish | Solet: it redirects people on too many joins at the same time to #debian |
| 05:51.06 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: and that's all that it prints? |
| 05:51.15 | Zanke | now |
| 05:51.20 | Zanke | but i still cant connect |
| 05:51.21 | dpkg | dpl is probably the Debian Project Leader, currently Martin Michlmayr |
| 05:51.23 | guestish | Solet: it was annoying cause i happened to join at the same time as those bots =P |
| 05:51.24 | Zanke | and i am assuming... |
| 05:51.33 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: what does /usr/sbin/apache -X; do? |
| 05:51.35 | buu | peterS: What do I do with a system-ac.mk ? |
| 05:51.37 | *** join/#debian Strife (~mdepalati@67.96.48.35) |
| 05:51.50 | Zanke | same |
| 05:51.53 | jstevens | what's the difference between initrd-2.6.8-2-686 and initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686 ... they are both in my /boot/ dir |
| 05:51.58 | peterS | buu: presumably it's a makefile of some sort. probably an include file used by, I dunno, autoconf? |
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| 05:52.16 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: it'll be different... /usr/sbin/apache -X; shouldn't return |
| 05:52.17 | Solet | what ircd does this server run... |
| 05:52.30 | guestish | Solet: dancer, im pretty sure it was developed for freenode |
| 05:52.33 | buu | peterS: Well that's what ./configure crated |
| 05:52.36 | chealer | is it possible to see factoid histories (previous values)? |
| 05:52.36 | peterS | Solet: dancer. apt-cache show dancer-ircd |
| 05:52.37 | guestish | Solet: or its at least now hosted by it |
| 05:52.39 | Solet | cause that redirect trick is definitly not rfc1459 compliant |
| 05:52.44 | ClawHammer | i know im an annoyinh newb, but is there a read me or guide for the 2 unpdate ISO's ? |
| 05:52.47 | Zanke | look in flood |
| 05:52.54 | Zanke | it says the same |
| 05:52.58 | guestish | !dancer |
| 05:52.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dancer is the freenode ircd. The main coder is asuffield, a debian developer. The source is on his site, http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/ (along with an excellent operator's guide). It's also an IRC bot for the Amiga and for other OSs. For questions about the irc server, /join #dancer-ircd. And no, I am not shaving off my tutu. |
| 05:53.00 | Zanke | unless you mean apachetc1 stop |
| 05:53.01 | buu | peterS: I guess I just run make now. |
| 05:53.01 | guestish | ok, so i was wrong |
| 05:53.03 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: sure, but it shouldn't stop running |
| 05:53.13 | Strife | So, I'm trying to use my wireless card, but whenever I run dhclient, it refuses to reach the DHCP server. I'm using ndiswrapper on a 2.4 kernel (sarge default). Any idea why it's not working? I got it to work successfully before on a recent installation which I no longer have due to the hard disk crashing |
| 05:53.15 | guestish | Solet: meh, it works doesnt it? :) |
| 05:53.23 | peterS | buu: probably. I have no idea. |
| 05:53.24 | Solet | yeah... |
| 05:53.34 | Solet | i love it... |
| 05:53.35 | buu | peterS: Well, make&&make install; seem to have executed, so |
| 05:53.37 | guestish | heh |
| 05:53.42 | Zanke | and i cannot connect to it...can you guys? http://12.222.2.115 |
| 05:53.55 | chealer | guestish: are you telling me to look at the source? :) |
| 05:54.02 | guestish | chealer: eh? |
| 05:54.13 | guestish | chealer: who are you? |
| 05:54.14 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: do you have to ^C out of /usr/sbin/apache -X? or does it just stop? |
| 05:54.27 | chealer | guestish: oh I thought this was an answer to my question about dpkg |
| 05:54.28 | Zanke | just stops |
| 05:54.47 | chealer | that would be !blootbot |
| 05:54.52 | guestish | chealer: i didnt catch your question |
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| 05:55.08 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: can i pm you? |
| 05:55.21 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: keep it in the channel... I may leave at any time. |
| 05:55.22 | chealer | guestish: after someone used !no, foo is bar2, can you retrieve what was bar1's value? |
| 05:55.28 | Zanke | ok |
| 05:55.41 | Zanke | was gonna have you ssh into it and check it out |
| 05:55.45 | peterS | chealer: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 05:55.55 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: you don't know me well enough to have me ssh into your box |
| 05:56.00 | guestish | chealer: i dont know much about blootbot, ask dondelelcaro, hes the operator of dpkg |
| 05:56.17 | dondelelcaro | chealer: not currently... if you want to make a patch to do full versioning, go right ahead. |
| 05:56.32 | guestish | and punani, an ignored bot on efnet :) |
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| 05:56.40 | chealer | dondelelcaro: heh, I was just asking. unless it's written in PHP :) |
| 05:56.43 | chealer | thanks anyway |
| 05:56.43 | Strife | I mean, are there any tricks to getting ndiswrapper working or anything? I don't remember it really being all that hard last time... |
| 05:56.48 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
| 05:56.59 | Lord-Phoenix | how can i add a user into another group from command line? |
| 05:57.01 | Zanke | if you put this much effort in helping me i can trust you especially as i can see you here whenever and you seem like a good person, i wouldn't let just ANYONE but hell you are like unofficial debian tech suppoty |
| 05:57.08 | Zanke | support* |
| 05:57.08 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Phoenix: adduser user group; man adduser; |
| 05:57.14 | Strife | when I installed this time, I didn't configure the network at install... Can I rerun that part of the installation program? If so, how? |
| 05:57.19 | guestish | dondelelcaro: you have a strange trigger on that one |
| 05:57.34 | Lord-Phoenix | dondelelcaro: it won't screw with the users existing groups will it? |
| 05:57.42 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Phoenix: no. again, man adduser; |
| 05:57.44 | Lord-Phoenix | dondelelcaro: because the man pages don't seem to say |
| 05:57.50 | Cyber_NY | valdyn: my screen goes black after in startx <enter> |
| 05:57.57 | lilo | done |
| 05:58.02 | Zanke | is there an apache config script |
| 05:58.05 | guestish | did the bad men go away? |
| 05:58.10 | Zanke | like that X one? |
| 05:58.48 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Phoenix: sure they do. "adduser [options] user group" "If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group." |
| 05:59.08 | CyzarX | after i write a perl script , where to i put in gaim ? |
| 05:59.08 | Lord-Phoenix | ahh.... |
| 05:59.28 | Lord-Phoenix | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 06:00.20 | chealer | CyzarX: ask #gaim |
| 06:00.33 | CyzarX | nobody response there |
| 06:00.36 | CyzarX | i tried before |
| 06:00.39 | chealer | CyzarX: perl support is considered for removal due to brokenness BTW |
| 06:00.47 | chealer | CyzarX: that must be why |
| 06:01.04 | chealer | if a specific channel can't help don't expect #debian to |
| 06:01.05 | CyzarX | chealer, okay, other than perl, what else script language can i use ? |
| 06:01.06 | guestish | perl??? |
| 06:01.16 | guestish | oh, for gaim |
| 06:01.17 | guestish | phew |
| 06:01.26 | chealer | CyzarX: no idea. always heard about perl |
| 06:01.38 | guestish | CyzarX: check the site |
| 06:01.45 | hhstnoc[ipac] | good job at LinuxWorld! |
| 06:02.10 | guestish | hhstnoc[ipac]: what happened there? |
| 06:02.20 | Strife | so does no one have any advice on how I can get my network up and running? |
| 06:02.22 | Cyber_NY | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" <enter> i did the setup again used depth 8...tried startx....screen went black |
| 06:02.25 | hhstnoc[ipac] | there were debian reps on the .org pavillion |
| 06:02.29 | hhstnoc[ipac] | and all was happy. |
| 06:02.37 | Strife | I unfortunately ONLY have wireless here, or else I wouldn't worry about it, but I have no choice but to use this crap |
| 06:02.46 | technoMyst | Can anyone help me install https on Debian? Tried a few times, getting weird results |
| 06:02.55 | bob2 | hhstnoc[ipac]: did you meet david and ari? |
| 06:02.57 | technoMyst | Already have apache installed and running fine |
| 06:03.21 | hhstnoc[ipac] | bob2: i bought a shirt from david. |
| 06:03.25 | bob2 | ah |
| 06:03.27 | bob2 | cool |
| 06:03.36 | hhstnoc[ipac] | nice shirts too. |
| 06:03.40 | peterS | jaldhar was there too, apparently |
| 06:03.50 | hhstnoc[ipac] | all in all, it was worth missing a day of class for. |
| 06:04.04 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:04.06 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: so am i screwed? |
| 06:04.19 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: do you have to ^C out of /usr/sbin/apache -X? or does it just stop? |
| 06:04.41 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: if /usr/sbin/apache -X just stops, then apache is crashing for some reason. That's not supposed to happen. |
| 06:04.51 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: i dont have to ^C out of it...just stops with thta error |
| 06:05.00 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: that's not an error. |
| 06:05.08 | dondelelcaro | well, it shouldn't be an error... |
| 06:05.22 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: install mime-support, which has that file, iirc. |
| 06:05.24 | hhstnoc[ipac] | technoMyst: if you're running apache 1.3, you can just install the apache-ssl package. |
| 06:05.48 | Zanke | only new errors are more unable to get unique host ID for Phate errors |
| 06:06.13 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: that's just an [info], not a real error. |
| 06:06.21 | *** join/#debian Kane32 (~jojo@pD9E99A58.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:06.31 | Strife | seriously, no one has any idea why the hell my wireless card isn't detecting any DHCP server? |
| 06:06.38 | MMXcr | what it's better for samba, start whith daemons or inetd? |
| 06:06.41 | Zanke | okay how do i install mime-support? apt-get install mime-support? |
| 06:07.10 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: yes. |
| 06:07.16 | guestish | dondelelcaro: the uh, efnet #debian bot is locked, can you unlock it so its possible to add factoids or is it locked for a reason? |
| 06:07.26 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 06:07.27 | dpkg | Since Wed Feb 9 22:23:43 2005, there have been 129 modifications, 5110 questions, 1443 dunnos, 17 morons and 1518 commands. I have been awake for 8d 7h 43m 45s this session, and currently reference 25214 factoids. I'm using about 16764 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1642.59/80.56 child 1556.61/124.5 |
| 06:07.33 | Zanke | LOL THIS IS FUNNY |
| 06:07.48 | dondelelcaro | guestish: hrm... it shouldn't be locked |
| 06:07.55 | guestish | dondelelcaro: punani wont let me add factoids |
| 06:08.02 | guestish | dondelelcaro: says permission denied |
| 06:08.04 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: look in #flood, you'll get a laugh |
| 06:08.08 | dondelelcaro | guestish: I've no clue what punani is |
| 06:08.20 | technoMyst | hhstnoc[ipac]: Would I have to uninstall apache first? I was trying to use libapache-mod-ssl |
| 06:08.22 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: you don't have your hostname set in /etc/hosts |
| 06:08.25 | guestish | dondelelcaro: it says its owned by you |
| 06:08.39 | guestish | <random321> punani: who owns you? |
| 06:08.40 | guestish | <+punani> dondelelcaro does |
| 06:08.41 | dondelelcaro | guestish: whoever actually owns it hasn't bothered to update the factoid database |
| 06:08.44 | chealer | hey does someone know what's happening to jabber.org? |
| 06:08.46 | hhstnoc[ipac] | technoMyst: yeah, its basically another apache project. |
| 06:08.48 | guestish | dondelelcaro: guess not |
| 06:08.59 | guestish | dondelelcaro: nvm then |
| 06:09.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 733] by debhelper |
| 06:09.20 | technoMyst | hhstnoc[ipac]: Would I have to reinstall all the libapache* mods I installed? |
| 06:09.25 | Cyber_NY | i'm gonna try to install sarge and see |
| 06:09.36 | dondelelcaro | guestish: yeah, the bots that I operate are either here, or all called dpkg. |
| 06:09.47 | MMXcr | dondelelcaro: i need help whith samba, what it's better for proper working daemons or inetd?? |
| 06:09.47 | guestish | dondelelcaro: oh, ok, good thing to remember |
| 06:10.02 | guestish | dondelelcaro: kinda weird though how the owner thing is messed up |
| 06:10.04 | hhstnoc[ipac] | technoMyst: you could probably just move them to /etc/apache-ssl after you install it. |
| 06:10.05 | dondelelcaro | MMXcr: it doesn't matter. Use daemons unless you're doing something wierd |
| 06:10.19 | dondelelcaro | guestish: not really, since that's just a factoid... whoever owns it imported the database from dpkg's dump |
| 06:10.42 | MMXcr | dondelelcaro: why you say im doing something wierd? |
| 06:10.53 | MMXcr | dondelelcaro: =) |
| 06:11.38 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: OMFG i changed debian to phate in /etc/hosts since thats what i did in /etc/hostname when i first installed....tell me, is that the problem this whole itme? |
| 06:11.46 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: probably |
| 06:11.51 | MMXcr | dondelelcaro: it's only to learn about linux debian servers, because in my country it's well paid the support ok linux servers |
| 06:12.03 | dondelelcaro | MMXcr: use the daemons then |
| 06:12.12 | Zanke | all that for a one line quick change? |
| 06:12.15 | MMXcr | dondelelcaro: ok thanks =) |
| 06:12.19 | Zanke | i reinstalled debian for that lol |
| 06:12.27 | Zanke | that was worth a laugh |
| 06:12.45 | Zanke | http://12.222.2.115 does it work for you too? |
| 06:13.10 | dondelelcaro | Zanke: yeah, it's fine. |
| 06:13.16 | hhstnoc[ipac] | Welcome to your new home in cyberspace, Zanke! |
| 06:13.21 | Zanke | YAY! |
| 06:13.34 | \Igor\ | jetscreamer: FYI, you must go to "Multimedia Systems Selector", select "Custom", write "alsasrc device=<device name>" in the "Pipeline" field |
| 06:13.42 | \Igor\ | it does not have to be this difficult! |
| 06:14.01 | Cyber_NY | wow installation with sarge is so much easier |
| 06:14.20 | jetscreamer | ahh... well you got it working, good |
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| 06:14.44 | sussudio | ... |
| 06:15.00 | guestish | dondelelcaro: you make it publically availible? |
| 06:15.01 | sussudio | jesus some people are beyond stupid |
| 06:15.09 | sussudio | they ask me what lemonparty is... i paste the description "An Internet shock site (www.lemonparty.org) which consists solely of a picture of three old men having sex. Like goatse.cx, the idea behind the name is to make it so innocuous that the uninitiated will not hesitate to follow the link." |
| 06:15.11 | Zanke | debel: okay one last final touch up...i have done this before a LONG time ago...i am running windows on this pc and that is where i do most of my html and php scripting and such, do you know how to map a virtual drive straight to the htdocs or www folder whatever it is in debian with windows and samba? |
| 06:15.16 | sussudio | and the fucktards click on it! |
| 06:15.21 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: okay one last final touch up...i have done this before a LONG time ago...i am running windows on this pc and that is where i do most of my html and php scripting and such, do you know how to map a virtual drive straight to the htdocs or www folder whatever it is in debian with windows and samba? |
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| 06:16.57 | Zanke | dondelelcaro: map network drive* |
| 06:17.06 | guestish | dondelelcaro: the dpkg database that is |
| 06:17.26 | jetscreamer | my mouse wheel seems to quit working on it's own. it does work though. all i know atm. any clues? |
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| 06:18.05 | Zanke | or how do i use samba or set an ftp straight between them? |
| 06:18.24 | xerophyte | when there is security patch for kernel which patch get update first mm patch or ac patch ? |
| 06:18.27 | guestish | Zanke: NFS? |
| 06:18.41 | Schlafschwein | you want to save the php html files etc directly on the debian server right? |
| 06:18.52 | guestish | Zanke: oh right, windows |
| 06:18.58 | guestish | Zanke: uh, you could try smbfs |
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| 06:19.59 | Zanke | i installed samba at the setup of my debian |
| 06:20.05 | raf256 | aLen is prv msg. spammer or spamer bot. |
| 06:20.13 | guestish | Zanke: /msg dpkg smbfs |
| 06:20.57 | guestish | raf256: if you want to notify an op, do !ops aLen is a prv.msg spammer or spammer bot |
| 06:21.01 | guestish | raf256: or something like that |
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| 06:21.42 | humbolt | how stable is debian/linux on sparc |
| 06:22.06 | guestish | raf256: yes |
| 06:22.20 | guestish | raf256: only if its important and requires an op |
| 06:22.28 | guestish | raf256: they get grumpy if its for no reason ;) |
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| 06:22.48 | hhstnoc[ipac] | humbolt: sparc64? |
| 06:22.55 | raf256 | well, I think it might be good idea to ban such zombie machine, so |
| 06:23.06 | guestish | humbolt: stable enough that im using it for sparc64 SMP on a u2...dunno much past ther |
| 06:23.09 | guestish | humbolt: that |
| 06:23.19 | guestish | raf256: up to you |
| 06:23.28 | raf256 | !ops aLen is priv msg spammer - [07:15:54] *aLen* http://www.########.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 06:23.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aLen is priv msg spammer - [07:15:54] *aLen* http://www.########.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 06:23.29 | hhstnoc[ipac] | it ran like crap on my SparcStation 5, but somehow im not surprised. |
| 06:23.56 | bob2 | bah |
| 06:23.57 | raf256 | hopes even |
| 06:24.03 | humbolt | I gonna get rid of solaris 5.6 then! |
| 06:24.05 | guestish | heh |
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| 06:24.24 | humbolt | you think thats a good idea? |
| 06:24.39 | hhstnoc[ipac] | personal preference really |
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| 06:24.43 | guestish | humbolt: dunno |
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| 06:26.40 | guestish | raf256: easy enough ;) |
| 06:27.08 | raf256 | yea ;) |
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| 06:28.48 | BullWeivelz | the RAID adapter should have nothing to do with the SCSI adapter right? I mean you should have both in a machine right? Trying to figure out what the RAID adapter is, and it comes up with a Intel menu to control the RAID. But the box also has a SCSI adapter in it as well.... hrmm now that I think about it the SCSI adapter is empty...not even sure why the hell is in the box. What disk would you use to setup a onboard SCSI RAID adapter? |
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| 06:29.07 | BullWeivelz | sorry if i sound lost...i am :) |
| 06:29.19 | guestish | BullWeivelz: uh...you would buy a SCSI RAID card? |
| 06:29.41 | Schlafschwein | maybe he is talking about a zerochannel raid thingy... |
| 06:30.35 | bob2 | lots of people would buy scsi raid |
| 06:30.39 | bob2 | I would if I could afford it |
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| 06:30.58 | bob2 | BullWeivelz: if you have a scsi raid adaptor, linux will only see a scsi hard disk controller |
| 06:31.00 | bob2 | with one disl on it |
| 06:31.09 | bob2 | that one disk is the RAID array |
| 06:32.26 | peterS | well, or multiple disks, if you make multiple arrays on your physical disks |
| 06:33.44 | Cyber_NY | ok i've installed sarge i would like to install kde....help...next step |
| 06:34.09 | guestish | Cyber_NY: apt-get install kde kdm |
| 06:34.27 | Cyber_NY | thanks |
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| 06:34.35 | guestish | np |
| 06:37.37 | BullWeivelz | alright i opened the case. |
| 06:37.37 | BullWeivelz | the server has an onboard adaptec scsi controller...with nothing hooked up to it. |
| 06:37.37 | BullWeivelz | then it has a intel board plugged into a pci slot...that is aparently the raid controller and from the menu's that would be right. |
| 06:37.38 | BullWeivelz | now to figure out what disks will work with the damn thing. |
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| 06:37.59 | SerajewelKS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.00 | Cyber_NY | anybody ever heard of a mini-itx |
| 06:38.18 | BullWeivelz | Cyber_NY: Yeppers...they rock! |
| 06:38.27 | guestish | g'night all |
| 06:39.05 | Cyber_NY | when i've had a hell of a time installing linux on it |
| 06:39.16 | BullWeivelz | realy? which model is it? |
| 06:39.20 | Cyber_NY | i have a via c3 800mhz |
| 06:39.33 | BullWeivelz | i have the 600mhz and it instaleld without a hitch |
| 06:39.38 | BullWeivelz | i used the floppy install. |
| 06:39.51 | BullWeivelz | im thinking it was the bf2.4 disks |
| 06:39.53 | jasz | i can't figure out how to make users have to provide login and password to edit pages in a phpwiki website :( |
| 06:40.04 | cafuego | bob2: I wouldn't, I'd go the 3Ware SATA RAID. |
| 06:40.09 | Cyber_NY | i've gone through redhat damnsmall mandrake debian...etc etc etc |
| 06:40.26 | BullWeivelz | debian will install on it...im sure of that. |
| 06:40.31 | Schlafschwein | SerajewelKS: in lilo.conf: boot=/dev/hdb root=/dev/hdaX |
| 06:40.35 | BullWeivelz | are you using actual hard drives or what?? |
| 06:40.42 | bob2 | chmmm |
| 06:40.46 | Cyber_NY | yeah but i'm having problems running x and kde |
| 06:41.01 | BullWeivelz | ahh...so its installing but not letting you run x and kde? |
| 06:41.22 | SerajewelKS | Schlafschwein, if you read my statement carefully, you'll note that i'm not using lilo |
| 06:41.31 | peterS | cafuego: how'd you do that? I can't insert tabs in irssi, it always tries to complete things |
| 06:41.38 | Schlafschwein | ah sry :) |
| 06:41.45 | peterS | errr, bob2, I mean |
| 06:41.50 | BullWeivelz | thats a different story. not sure on that. im using mine for my main email/web/dns server. kinda nice because this server is up on top a highrise and its always hot up there. anyways... im just using console on it and nothing else. |
| 06:41.52 | Cyber_NY | yeah...i'm installing sarge to see if it can detect what kind of video card it has |
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| 06:42.01 | Zanke | brb |
| 06:42.10 | bob2 | peterS: if the character and the tab come in quickly enough, it takes it literally |
| 06:42.12 | BullWeivelz | just look in the manuals...it will tell you what video card it is...or try lspci |
| 06:42.21 | SerajewelKS | Schlafschwein, this basically involved copying / from one drive to another (yes, i did that part right), and installing grub on the new drive, shutting down, and swapping the physical HDs |
| 06:42.25 | peterS | bob2: oh, like as a paste |
| 06:42.28 | bob2 | I was told it happened if it came in the one read(), but I don't know if that is true |
| 06:42.50 | jetscreamer | Cyber_NY, lspci -vv doesn't tell you what it is? |
| 06:43.07 | Schlafschwein | there have to be a similar option in the grub config... where it says where it will be installed and what will be root |
| 06:43.08 | peterS | jetscreamer: wtf is up with the -vv? lspci doesn't usually tell you enough about what model of pci chip you have? |
| 06:43.11 | jetscreamer | assuming you installed something already |
| 06:43.18 | Schlafschwein | tried the manpage? |
| 06:43.21 | jetscreamer | peterS, just habit... |
| 06:43.23 | Cyber_NY | bull: u know linux is soo nice...i use a emachine 566mhz with mandrake and i'll put that machine against mswindows anyday |
| 06:43.38 | SerajewelKS | Schlafschwein, in menu.lst it says it's booting from /dev/hda |
| 06:43.53 | peterS | jetscreamer: on modern machines, 'lspci' almost drowns you in information already - there are so many little pci devices on modern motherboards. no need to *add* to the hassle of finding the video card line |
| 06:44.02 | SerajewelKS | Schlafschwein, but when i reboot after a grub-install /dev/hdb (after swapping the drives) grub doesn't boot.. nothing happens |
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| 06:44.30 | ferris | installation question... |
| 06:44.59 | ferris | i am trying to install debian on an 'emachine t2245' |
| 06:45.05 | Cyber_NY | ferris just ask |
| 06:45.11 | Cyber_NY | ok |
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| 06:45.34 | Schlafschwein | dunno sry, would have done the same... |
| 06:45.35 | ferris | it has an intel extreme integrated (onboard) |
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| 06:45.52 | ferris | which driver do i need |
| 06:46.00 | ferris | is the i128? |
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| 06:46.10 | SerajewelKS | i'm never good at sorting out boot issues for any OS |
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| 06:46.42 | jetscreamer | i810 maybe but i have no idea |
| 06:47.05 | Schlafschwein | when you boot after swaping not even the grub menu comes up? |
| 06:47.24 | SerajewelKS | Schlafschwein, I get a blinking cursor, that's it |
| 06:47.42 | jetscreamer | grub seems to want to be able to access / on boot... lilo doesn't care though until it's time to find /boot |
| 06:47.51 | jetscreamer | s/care/seem to care/ |
| 06:48.00 | Cyber_NY | ferris: i'm having the same problem....i'm installing sarge now to see if it makes a difference... |
| 06:48.12 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer, the odd thing is that it's still /dev/hda |
| 06:48.21 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer, unless grub is logging the HD serial or something |
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| 06:48.41 | ferris | i went with the i128.... it appears to be using it |
| 06:48.43 | jetscreamer | grub-install /dev/hdb ?? |
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| 06:49.01 | SerajewelKS | jetscreamer, that's what i did |
| 06:49.05 | ferris | packages are downloading now Cyber_NY... but we shall see |
| 06:49.09 | Schlafschwein | and what if you use lilo for now |
| 06:49.23 | SerajewelKS | bootloaders continue to amaze me by how easily they throw fits |
| 06:49.32 | ferris | are you installing via network or cd? |
| 06:49.35 | Schlafschwein | agreed |
| 06:49.38 | jetscreamer | one day i'll have to learn about grub... maybe when lilo borks. |
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| 06:51.10 | Cyber_NY | network |
| 06:51.22 | ferris | same |
| 06:51.51 | Cyber_NY | ferris try network nice so far i'm almost done |
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| 06:52.11 | ferris | that is how i installed on my laptop |
| 06:52.15 | ferris | it is sweet |
| 06:52.15 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 06:53.05 | Cyber_NY | anybody knows how sarge does on installation concerning video cards, etc? |
| 06:53.41 | SerajewelKS | video cards are too complicated. i vote we all get braille terminals. |
| 06:53.48 | ferris | Cyber_NY, it worked great with my laptop... but then again... i have a neomagic graphics card... which was listed |
| 06:53.51 | Cyber_NY | ok |
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| 06:54.31 | ferris | which graphics card do you have? |
| 06:54.31 | Cyber_NY | well i'm trying a mini-itx....and i don't even know what it uses |
| 06:54.39 | Cyber_NY | don't know |
| 06:54.44 | ferris | oh |
| 06:54.57 | ferris | good luck.... |
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| 06:55.21 | Cyber_NY | thanks |
| 06:55.23 | BullWeivelz | anyone know if software raid can be setup during the debian install ??? |
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| 06:55.58 | ferris | BullWeivelz, you can set it up |
| 06:55.59 | jm_ | it can be done with Sarge installer |
| 06:56.10 | jm_ | it can also be done with Woody, but it's not as simple |
| 06:56.28 | Cyber_NY | can sarge figure out what kinda of video card i'm using? |
| 06:56.43 | BullWeivelz | ferris: so it will ask during the install ? |
| 06:56.57 | maher | Cyber_NY: maybe - install and see |
| 06:57.09 | Cyber_NY | half way there as we speak |
| 06:57.19 | BullWeivelz | i didnt know that Sarge had an installer... where do i download that from? preferable the CD rom netinstall would be nice. |
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| 06:57.43 | ibe | Debian will not let you install /boot on a RAID |
| 06:57.56 | maher | !d-i |
| 06:57.56 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 06:57.59 | ibe | ways around it like jm_ said |
| 06:58.01 | ata | after I install a kernel image, the .deb package does some magic with my grub menu.lst. Is there a way to trigger this magic manually? |
| 06:58.04 | Cyber_NY | http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/20041118/images/netboot/ |
| 06:58.24 | jm_ | ata: man update-grub |
| 06:58.34 | ata | jm_: aha! |
| 06:58.39 | bob2 | ibe: sure it will |
| 06:58.44 | bob2 | just not easily on software raid |
| 06:59.10 | BullWeivelz | yeah i was going to say...on hardware raid I have installed several times. just not software raid. |
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| 07:00.40 | jetscreamer | now the wheel works. i did nothing. |
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| 07:04.45 | takatumi | !morning |
| 07:04.45 | dpkg | well, morning is the early day after yesterday |
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| 07:05.58 | merlincorey | I seriously hope that something heinous happens in unstable one of these days, so all of these distros that are piggybacking off of debian/unstable and don't have people run apt-listbugs will have a huge rush of users going, "OMG MY SYSTEM R HO3SED!" |
| 07:06.22 | bob2 | teh h0s0red! |
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| 07:06.33 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: it happens all the time. However, most of those users don't upgrade that often, so they don't see it. |
| 07:06.39 | AwesomeMachine | I tried to compile a 2.6.8 kernel from debian source on sarge. It won't boot. I think maybe I need an initrd img. |
| 07:06.46 | BullWeivelz | that was some weird crap... stupid ISP.. oh wait... damn sucks being your own ISP ;) can't blame someone else. |
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| 07:06.49 | bob2 | AwesomeMachine: don't bother |
| 07:06.54 | bob2 | AwesomeMachine: also, why? |
| 07:06.58 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeMachine: no, that means that you haven't built something that you actually need into the kernel. |
| 07:07.11 | merlincorey | dondelelcaro: I just talked to some guy who was "proving" to me something or rather about MEPIS by saying, "I just apt-get updated and apt-get upgraded three times today" |
| 07:07.11 | bob2 | like your IDE controller driver |
| 07:07.15 | bob2 | or root filesystem driver |
| 07:07.16 | scatterp | AwesomeMachine what error ? |
| 07:07.18 | AwesomeMachine | because i wanted to know how |
| 07:07.33 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: well, that user is just moronic |
| 07:07.39 | merlincorey | point taken |
| 07:07.49 | merlincorey | and with unstable, aren't you supposed to always dist-upgrade? |
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| 07:07.56 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: not like they'd even know if their system went up in flames or a metor struck them on the head. |
| 07:08.00 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: hell no. |
| 07:08.09 | AwesomeMachine | I'm getting a null pointer can't be resolved during boot |
| 07:08.14 | merlincorey | man I swear I thought I saw SOMEONE say that once |
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| 07:08.22 | merlincorey | every so often, though? |
| 07:08.24 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: anyone who says that is on serious crack. |
| 07:08.27 | merlincorey | there something to that effect |
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| 07:08.34 | merlincorey | s/something/was something |
| 07:08.36 | scatterp | AwesomeMachine cant help with that sorry thought it might be an error i had other day |
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| 07:08.50 | AwesomeMachine | ok scatterp |
| 07:08.52 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: if it's not going to remove anything you want, it's fine to run it. However, by default, it's safer to use upgrade, and install to specifically install packages that are held back |
| 07:09.02 | AwesomeMachine | at least people talk in here |
| 07:09.03 | merlincorey | su -c "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 07:09.05 | merlincorey | phew |
| 07:09.18 | dondelelcaro | (even better to use a frontend that knows how to sanely deal complex packages) |
| 07:09.20 | AwesomeMachine | suse is quiet |
| 07:09.25 | merlincorey | glad I got that in my head sometime after I wrote that script |
| 07:09.26 | merlincorey | :P |
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| 07:09.37 | merlincorey | thanks for clearing that up, dondelelcaro |
| 07:09.46 | dondelelcaro | thezanke: that's great, but it's still no excuse for being root. Leave, and come back as a normal user. |
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| 07:10.01 | AwesomeMachine | does it work in sarge to install 2 kernel images? |
| 07:10.21 | Cyber_NY | ferris: still having problems with ur video....try vesa driver |
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| 07:10.27 | AwesomeMachine | both with initrd images |
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| 07:10.51 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:10.55 | AwesomeMachine | hi SoS |
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| 07:11.07 | zanke | better? |
| 07:11.09 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: it would, but your aim should be to get rid of the initrd. |
| 07:11.11 | AwesomeMachine | hi zanke |
| 07:11.17 | ferris | i know what i did.... |
| 07:11.23 | Cyber_NY | ok |
| 07:11.25 | ferris | i used the wrong disk.... |
| 07:11.30 | AwesomeMachine | isn't initrd good? |
| 07:11.31 | Cyber_NY | hehe |
| 07:11.32 | jetscreamer | you can have many... the limit in lilo is 8 or so, but that's just what lilo can reference i think. |
| 07:11.35 | zanke | sorry don never used ircII before |
| 07:11.40 | jetscreamer | initrd is good, if you need it. |
| 07:11.44 | ferris | i have a woody disk and a sarge |
| 07:11.54 | ferris | have to start all over |
| 07:11.57 | ferris | grr |
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| 07:12.02 | Cyber_NY | so did i |
| 07:12.12 | jetscreamer | ferris, jsut dist-upgrade |
| 07:12.12 | AwesomeMachine | I downloaded sarge with the new jigdo system |
| 07:12.16 | ferris | ok |
| 07:12.22 | ferris | thanks jetscreamer |
| 07:12.22 | jetscreamer | unless you don't have net |
| 07:12.27 | ferris | i do |
| 07:12.36 | jetscreamer | !tell ferris about woody->sarge |
| 07:12.47 | Cyber_NY | 10 minutes away to finish....i did complete...sarge has a nicer installation feature |
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| 07:13.26 | zanke | i will be back when i finish reformatting the windows box...i foobar'd it all up |
| 07:13.27 | AwesomeMachine | Cyber: are you doing 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 07:13.46 | ferris | yes... i agree.... I thought the installation was a little different because it was going on a PC instead of a laptop |
| 07:13.58 | Cyber_NY | am: no |
| 07:14.01 | merlincorey | man it's been a long time since I was in here |
| 07:14.05 | AwesomeMachine | k |
| 07:14.09 | merlincorey | tomorow I must try and help people :) |
| 07:14.13 | merlincorey | tonight, I must sleep |
| 07:14.22 | Cyber_NY | am: y? |
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| 07:14.36 | AwesomeMachine | I tried to install using linux26 for boot, but the install wouldn't work |
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| 07:14.57 | jetscreamer | one thing, d-i installs alsa configured properly... i found taking a woody install upping it to sid and changing to alsa to be a pita |
| 07:15.34 | Cyber_NY | am: i haven't had a problem booting with debian....just video |
| 07:15.45 | ata | i'm having the opengl-blues. as soon as I try to start any program that uses opengl it seg faults on me. even glxinfo. what to do? |
| 07:15.46 | AwesomeMachine | how long 'til sarge is stable? |
| 07:15.59 | ata | running the nvidia driver |
| 07:16.01 | jetscreamer | !tell AwesomeMachine about wwsr |
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| 07:16.59 | jetscreamer | ata, installed via .deb or .run |
| 07:17.07 | ata | yes |
| 07:17.11 | ata | .deb that is :) |
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| 07:17.55 | jetscreamer | did you do the glcore dri and glx thing in the config? |
| 07:18.02 | AwesomeMachine | thanks |
| 07:18.05 | jetscreamer | and set fb to 0? |
| 07:18.17 | ata | er... |
| 07:18.25 | Cyber_NY | am: i have an older system...so i think sarge will be alright |
| 07:18.28 | ata | I used nvidia-glx-config enable |
| 07:18.45 | ata | running ubuntu. don't know if it's standard debian. |
| 07:18.55 | jetscreamer | when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, you say no to framebuffer, unmark glcore and dri, and enable glx. |
| 07:19.08 | Solet | in the install for debian, when it asks me if i want to erease any previously downloaded .deb files, do i say yes or no? |
| 07:19.19 | jetscreamer | ata, your first mistake was ubuntu. the second was mentioning it here :) |
| 07:19.25 | ata | :) |
| 07:19.37 | bob2 | ata: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto |
| 07:19.45 | bob2 | also, ubuntu is off-topic in here |
| 07:19.45 | jetscreamer | Solet, i always say yes, hth. |
| 07:19.49 | Solet | rofl @ jet |
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| 07:20.13 | ata | ok. sorry dudes. I run debian on all my servers :) |
| 07:20.29 | Cyber_NY | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.21 | ferris | ata ... debian is a faster os than ubuntu.... |
| 07:21.22 | ata | jet: dri and glcore were turned on. that might just do it... :) |
| 07:21.40 | ata | ferris: I know. My laptop just likes the brown theme in gnome :) |
| 07:21.55 | Cyber_NY | 1minute |
| 07:22.06 | bob2 | Cyber_NY: ? |
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| 07:22.35 | Cyber_NY | till sarge finishes installing |
| 07:22.36 | ferris | ata, ... i also could not install some programs that I wanted... there was no way to get them in there |
| 07:22.49 | takatumi | Cyber_NY: thought you had a bomb. |
| 07:22.57 | ferris | apt-get would not install it |
| 07:23.33 | dli | how to disable a defined alias? |
| 07:23.41 | jm_ | alias for what? |
| 07:23.42 | AwesomeMachine | I found the easiest way to accept all the defaults and add software later and run some dpkg-reconfigure for X |
| 07:24.06 | dli | jm_: like I defined gcc="gcc -O2" |
| 07:24.15 | jm_ | dli: are you using bash? |
| 07:24.20 | dli | jm_: right |
| 07:24.21 | tub | do you have any idea why my compile of 2.6.10 kernel crashes at drivers/char/drm/gamma_drv, it says that "member has no structure..." |
| 07:24.28 | jm_ | dli: man bash, read section ALIASES, it's short |
| 07:24.31 | bob2 | tub: that driver is abandoned |
| 07:24.38 | bob2 | and almost certainly doesn't work anymore |
| 07:24.53 | tub | ok, how I can remove it from menuconfig. which one loads it |
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| 07:25.17 | bob2 | character devices -> dri |
| 07:25.21 | Solet | whats the command for detecting chipsets? |
| 07:25.28 | AwesomeMachine | if your in kde and you hit "ctrl-alt-F1", is that bash |
| 07:25.32 | tub | bob2: thanks. have to try without it |
| 07:25.47 | dli | jm_: unalias |
| 07:26.09 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: once you login and if your default shell is bash, then yes. |
| 07:26.14 | jm_ | dli: right ;) |
| 07:26.27 | Schlafschwein | Solet: lspci? |
| 07:26.28 | AwesomeMachine | ok takatumi |
| 07:26.42 | jetscreamer | AwesomeMachine, alt+F7 to get back |
| 07:26.57 | AwesomeMachine | k, jetscreamer |
| 07:27.04 | Solet | yes thank you Schlafschwein |
| 07:27.29 | jetscreamer | just remember that alt+Fx works in console, but you need ctrl+alt+Fx in gui |
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| 07:28.03 | AwesomeMachine | what is the bash command to start a new server for x and launch another xsession? |
| 07:28.16 | jetscreamer | sometimes it has to be the lefthand ones, also. |
| 07:28.17 | AwesomeMachine | of like kde |
| 07:29.33 | jetscreamer | that's not a usual command, you need to do things to get that to happen... not sure what though. |
| 07:29.34 | jm_ | AwesomeMachine: that depends, "/msg dpkg 2ndx" if you already have one running |
| 07:29.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 07:30.47 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: you usually don't need another X, what are you trying to do? |
| 07:31.26 | AwesomeMachine | If I'm doing a lot of system stuff I want one for root |
| 07:31.48 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: root shouldn't have one at all. |
| 07:31.56 | AwesomeMachine | ok |
| 07:32.08 | AwesomeMachine | that must be bad |
| 07:32.14 | jm_ | AwesomeMachine: and you can always use sux if you really need it |
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| 07:32.23 | AwesomeMachine | I learned some bad habits from SuSE |
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| 07:32.44 | Schlafschwein | :) |
| 07:32.56 | maher | AwesomeMachine: why not just grab a spare terminal and do su in it |
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| 07:33.24 | AwesomeMachine | I do that in debian |
| 07:33.36 | ferris | sarge =unstable? |
| 07:33.38 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: also look at screen |
| 07:33.40 | AwesomeMachine | I have 3 or 4 tabs in terminal |
| 07:33.53 | AwesomeMachine | man screen? |
| 07:34.15 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: install it if it ain't already and then man screen |
| 07:34.24 | takatumi | or info screen |
| 07:34.36 | Cyber_NY | ferris: no ones mentioned it here yet....i've read its almost ready for release |
| 07:34.42 | AwesomeMachine | ok, lemme look |
| 07:34.51 | maher | ferris: sarge= testing |
| 07:35.02 | ferris | ok thanks |
| 07:35.42 | miyo | ferris: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:36.45 | AwesomeMachine | how many sources should I have for apt? |
| 07:37.11 | buu | AwesomeMachine: 12. |
| 07:37.30 | AwesomeMachine | ok, I'll have to add some more |
| 07:37.32 | Cyber_NY | besides testing....whats the diffence between woody and sarge? |
| 07:37.40 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: no need, even one will do. |
| 07:37.41 | cafuego | You reckon [M][x]-* is a set of spammers? |
| 07:37.43 | AwesomeMachine | 2.6 kernel |
| 07:37.52 | cafuego | or emacs freaks? |
| 07:37.57 | AwesomeMachine | sarge 2.6 kernel |
| 07:38.12 | Cyber_NY | besides kernel? |
| 07:38.36 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 07:38.49 | takatumi | AwesomeMachine: run apt-setup |
| 07:38.54 | AwesomeMachine | I have sarge and woody and sarge I think just works a little easier |
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| 07:39.34 | Cyber_NY | am: how was installation |
| 07:39.37 | AwesomeMachine | you get later versions of fileutils, binutils, coreutils, etc with sarge |
| 07:39.51 | takatumi | cafuego: thought it was a join flood. |
| 07:39.59 | bob2 | not a very impressive one |
| 07:40.06 | cafuego | takatumi: Very sad one. |
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| 07:40.17 | takatumi | fizzled out young. |
| 07:40.18 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:40.28 | *** mode/#Debian [+b [M][x]*!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
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| 07:40.36 | cafuego | There's s till a few [M][x]* lusers here |
| 07:40.40 | cafuego | well, there were. |
| 07:40.45 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:40.59 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: party pooper |
| 07:41.02 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 07:41.03 | AwesomeMachine | does anyone in here use apache on debian? |
| 07:41.04 | bob2 | +b *[* isn't much of a loss, imho, either ;) |
| 07:41.15 | dondelelcaro | !anyone |
| 07:41.15 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:41.16 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 07:41.24 | cafuego | !lart |
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| 07:41.48 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 07:42.11 | AwesomeMachine | that's who dpkg is, nice name :) |
| 07:42.14 | jetscreamer | no nobody uses apache |
| 07:42.17 | peterS | bob2: not into l33t nicks? |
| 07:43.22 | ata | AwesomeMachine: I use apache on debian |
| 07:44.09 | AwesomeMachine | ata: how long did it take you to learn apache well enough to run it reliably? |
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| 07:45.10 | ata | AwesomeMachine: weeell... I'm not doing anything fancy with it, and out of the box it's very stable as far as I've seen |
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| 07:46.18 | ferris | AwesomeMachine... where could I go to learn about being my own host? |
| 07:46.32 | ferris | or ata |
| 07:47.27 | ata | ferris: what info are you looking for? your own host? apache-host you mean? |
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| 07:48.11 | ferris | i would like to set up my own server, and use it is the webhosting server |
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| 07:49.43 | Jacobo221 | does anybody know of an app which converts a unix date to a "normal" date ? |
| 07:49.54 | jm_ | date |
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| 07:50.21 | jetscreamer | ferris, tldp.org has a lot of how-to's .. some are old, but good. some are not so old. |
| 07:50.38 | ferris | thanks jetscreamer |
| 07:50.41 | Jacobo221 | jm_: date?? |
| 07:50.45 | jm_ | Jacobo221: yes |
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| 07:51.43 | Jacobo221 | jm_: please give me some help. man date is of no help here |
| 07:52.15 | AwesomeMachine | ferris: I just want to run a website from my cable connection and use ods to give me a domain name. |
| 07:52.41 | cat | AwesomeMachine: go to no-ip.org and get a domain there |
| 07:52.43 | cat | free domain |
| 07:52.53 | jm_ | Jacobo221: use info pages, they have much more info |
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| 07:53.02 | AwesomeMachine | I actually already have a domain name, I just have to update the ip |
| 07:53.11 | AwesomeMachine | ok |
| 07:53.19 | miyo | Jacobo221: perl -wne 'chomp; $date = localtime(1108713108); print "$date\n"' |
| 07:53.22 | jetscreamer | static or dynamic |
| 07:53.23 | miyo | *evil grin* |
| 07:53.25 | dondelelcaro | perl -MPOSIX=strftime -le 'print strftime(q(%a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S %z),localtime(134000));' |
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| 07:53.38 | jm_ | how horrible compared to date ;) |
| 07:53.47 | vircuser | how the hell do you guys remember all these commands |
| 07:53.52 | ferris | i have a domain name, and site is online... i would like to get it on my server.... |
| 07:53.53 | miyo | Ooops, that -n if of course not needed... leftover from quick testing... |
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| 07:54.19 | ferris | lol @ vircuser |
| 07:54.37 | vircuser | seirously i'd forget half way through writing them |
| 07:54.41 | vircuser | they're all ong as hell |
| 07:54.41 | vircuser | long |
| 07:54.43 | dondelelcaro | jm_: what, having to go date -d '1970-1-1 134000 sec'; ? That sucks. |
| 07:54.54 | AwesomeMachine | it's like how do you remember what channel a tv program is on |
| 07:55.08 | ferris | they are all very short... it is the options and arguments that get long |
| 07:55.09 | vircuser | dude thats like 20 HBO, 21 HBO2 |
| 07:55.20 | Solet | AwesomeMachine: tv guide channel |
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| 07:55.23 | vircuser | not tWnEtY-1-320 HbO010121 . eotie |
| 07:55.32 | dondelelcaro | strftime and localtime are built for this stuff |
| 07:55.32 | Solet | i cant remember tv channels |
| 07:55.37 | AwesomeMachine | tune into the debian guide |
| 07:55.37 | vircuser | i swear you all have photographic memories or something |
| 07:55.41 | vircuser | or your'e all bots |
| 07:55.46 | vircuser | programmed to make me feel like an idiot |
| 07:55.49 | TinoW | hi |
| 07:55.57 | vircuser | hi |
| 07:55.59 | Solet | i can do mirc script, php, html, but i cant do linux for shit |
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| 07:56.10 | dondelelcaro | vircuser: this is only about the 10th time I've been asked this exact question. |
| 07:56.11 | vircuser | lol |
| 07:56.14 | ferris | that's ID:10T |
| 07:56.15 | Solet | (course i've only been goin at it for a day now |
| 07:56.19 | AwesomeMachine | I just read a lot and wrote shell scripts to do my commands |
| 07:56.23 | Jacobo221 | miyo: thanks, but that can't be put into a script ;) |
| 07:56.23 | vircuser | ferris; you mean PEBCAK |
| 07:56.26 | ferris | lol |
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| 07:56.34 | vircuser | check this out |
| 07:56.35 | Jacobo221 | miyo: I mean, a bash script |
| 07:56.38 | TinoW | Solet: a day is nothing :) |
| 07:56.39 | vircuser | i cant even remember what the E in PEBCAK is |
| 07:56.45 | ferris | that is usually where you find the ID:10T |
| 07:56.53 | jetscreamer | Solet, eventually you just 'get it' |
| 07:56.53 | miyo | Jacobo221: Well you did not state that before you asked. |
| 07:56.59 | vircuser | oh exists |
| 07:57.00 | vircuser | yes! |
| 07:57.01 | Solet | i know... |
| 07:57.04 | jetscreamer | parse error between keyboard and chair |
| 07:57.08 | ferris | problem exists between chair and keyboard |
| 07:57.09 | ferris | lol |
| 07:57.11 | vircuser | parse error? |
| 07:57.12 | vircuser | wft |
| 07:57.13 | jetscreamer | or chair and kb take your pick |
| 07:57.14 | Solet | i just feel really stupid atm cause its all gibberish to me |
| 07:57.21 | miyo | Jacobo221: And, yes you can put it in shell script |
| 07:57.22 | ferris | lol |
| 07:57.22 | vircuser | solet; me too |
| 07:57.23 | AwesomeMachine | I have a shell script for opening every archive type I run into, I just type extract filename |
| 07:57.29 | Jacobo221 | miyo: yaop, sorry ;) |
| 07:57.50 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeMachine: that script is called unp |
| 07:57.52 | vircuser | solet; i feel like a million bucks when I actually hear something being takled about that i know about |
| 07:57.52 | AwesomeMachine | that way I can forget all the switches |
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| 07:57.55 | dondelelcaro | !info unp |
| 07:58.03 | Jacobo221 | miyo: anyway, I'm looking for the "date-way" now :) |
| 07:58.04 | miyo | Jacobo221: echo "1108713463" | perl -wne 'chomp; $date = localtime(1108713108); print "$date\n"' |
| 07:58.04 | Cyber_NY | i always loved those ID 10 Tangos lol hehehe |
| 07:58.05 | ferris | vircuser, how long have you been using debian? |
| 07:58.05 | dpkg | unp: (unpack (almost) everything with one command), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 07:58.23 | dondelelcaro | miyo: yeesh... use strftime... that's what it's there for. |
| 07:58.24 | miyo | Jacobo221: But sure, there is non-perl way for it =) |
| 07:58.27 | jm_ | Jacobo221: see above, dondelelcaro mentioned it |
| 07:58.30 | AwesomeMachine | dondelelcaro, I actually wrote my own, but that is good to know |
| 07:58.32 | miyo | dondelelcaro: Nope, I will not :P |
| 07:58.33 | ferris | lol @ Cyber_NY |
| 07:58.38 | vircuser | ferris; honestly i havent started yet i have sarge on disc but im waiting to build my new PC, and then im going to only install debian for a few months and either learn it or die trying |
| 07:58.52 | dondelelcaro | miyo: *shrug* then suffer in the useless time.h struct output of localtime |
| 07:58.52 | vircuser | ive used other distros but the farthest i got was mounting HDD's |
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| 07:59.03 | ferris | oh, it is not that complicated |
| 07:59.09 | vircuser | yeah so i hear |
| 07:59.09 | Cyber_NY | ever heard of BA 1100 N ovember batteries |
| 07:59.18 | vircuser | I bought the Oreilly Linux in a Nutshell book |
| 07:59.18 | miyo | dondelelcaro: TIMTOWTDI (like you wouldn't already know it) =) |
| 07:59.19 | AwesomeMachine | debian is a good one to learn with |
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| 07:59.27 | ferris | have you tried one of the live cd's? |
| 07:59.30 | AwesomeMachine | it's not that coplicated |
| 07:59.41 | vircuser | Yeah i've got Knoppix, PHLAK, Morphix.. |
| 07:59.49 | Cyber_NY | tried hated it |
| 07:59.52 | vircuser | my problem is i'd never use just the console |
| 07:59.56 | dondelelcaro | miyo: sure, but don't forget the three virtues. strftime enables you to be very lazy. |
| 07:59.58 | Solet | AwesomeMachine: in mirc i have a script for answering any question anyone might ask :P |
| 07:59.59 | vircuser | i'd use GUI only |
| 08:00.02 | vircuser | so i wouldnt learna nything |
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| 08:00.09 | Solet | is that like your allpurpose decompresser? |
| 08:00.13 | vircuser | because everything i had i guess worked PnP |
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| 08:00.17 | ferris | for the most part you do not need to use the console |
| 08:00.20 | ferris | it is just faster |
| 08:00.25 | vircuser | yeah |
| 08:00.32 | miyo | dondelelcaro: I lack that one... being lazy (yeah, right) *grin* |
| 08:00.33 | vircuser | i just feel stupid not knowing it |
| 08:00.44 | vircuser | but unless something doesnt work i dont know how i'd learn it you know |
| 08:00.59 | vircuser | I always had problems running Mandarke |
| 08:00.59 | AwesomeMachine | solet, I used to own some chat rooms on msn. I have some killer scripts |
| 08:01.06 | vircuser | But I just got pissed off and gave up |
| 08:01.14 | vircuser | I dont think it works well with Realtek eth0's |
| 08:01.23 | ferris | it takes 30 seconds for me to apt-get install package... but if i did it throught the gui, it will take 3 min or more |
| 08:01.26 | Solet | msn script? |
| 08:01.27 | Solet | wtf |
| 08:01.42 | vircuser | ferris; ok i spent 3 houts trying to figure out how to install nethack one day |
| 08:01.42 | AwesomeMachine | vircuser, you want the realtek 8139 chip |
| 08:01.57 | vircuser | and i never did. and then some linux guy said like 3 words and it worked |
| 08:02.10 | vircuser | awesome; well its built into my motherboard so what can i do? |
| 08:02.18 | vircuser | cant do a firmware upgrade right |
| 08:02.22 | miyo | vircuser: And how long have you been using GNU/Linux? |
| 08:02.33 | AwesomeMachine | virc, get a card and put it in there |
| 08:02.37 | ferris | yep... that is why all of the user groups exsist |
| 08:02.38 | vircuser | not long at all |
| 08:03.02 | miyo | vircuser: So it would kind of a be sad if you would beat our 10 or more years of experience in few days. |
| 08:03.05 | miyo | vircuser: :P |
| 08:03.11 | ferris | miyo, he hasn't really used it |
| 08:03.13 | vircuser | haha |
| 08:03.14 | Cyber_NY | me it feels like an hour ago :'C |
| 08:03.18 | vircuser | thats a good point |
| 08:03.34 | ferris | lol |
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| 08:03.44 | Cyber_NY | wait it was (wrong) |
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| 08:04.06 | ferris | vircuser, i have used Ubuntu for about a month |
| 08:04.06 | vircuser | Im not scared of the console or anything, but when i install it and EVERYTHING works from the get go, and i open the console... i just have no clue what to do from there |
| 08:04.22 | vircuser | i guess i should practice installing and moving files |
| 08:04.22 | ferris | then i got the real deal |
| 08:04.31 | vircuser | ubuntu is the live cd right |
| 08:04.37 | ferris | i just wish i would have started with this |
| 08:04.41 | ferris | it can be |
| 08:04.45 | ferris | but i had it installed |
| 08:04.56 | ferris | i could send you the disks if you want |
| 08:05.00 | vircuser | why do you like deb over ubuntu isnt ubuntu a more updated deb |
| 08:05.06 | ferris | no |
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| 08:05.22 | AwesomeMachine | virc, I just started using debian a few days ago and it's pretty good distro for useability |
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| 08:05.30 | vircuser | hm |
| 08:05.45 | ferris | debian is faster, and i wanted to install a certain package in Ubuntu, but it would not take it... |
| 08:05.52 | vircuser | ew |
| 08:05.55 | vircuser | that sucks |
| 08:05.58 | AwesomeMachine | if you have the first cd it will download all the rest |
| 08:06.01 | ferris | i did... apt-get install package... bam |
| 08:06.05 | ferris | it worked |
| 08:06.05 | vircuser | i downloaded the sarge cd |
| 08:06.17 | vircuser | the net cd or what not |
| 08:06.23 | ferris | the net cd |
| 08:06.30 | ferris | is what i used |
| 08:06.39 | miyo | vircuser: Nope, it is not "more updated debian" |
| 08:06.41 | vircuser | you pick all the packages from the install right |
| 08:06.42 | ferris | i am installing it on my laptope |
| 08:06.49 | AwesomeMachine | it's sarge-i386-CD1.iso |
| 08:06.57 | vircuser | yeah thats what i have |
| 08:07.09 | ferris | i installed it on my laptop, and now i am installing it on my desktop |
| 08:07.18 | vircuser | ferris it runs fine on laptop ? dont some nix'es have problems on them |
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| 08:07.23 | vircuser | orw as that years ago |
| 08:07.24 | Solet | i'll prolly be good to go with learning linux on my own after i get a vid card tomorrow |
| 08:07.36 | ferris | i have a sony |
| 08:07.37 | Solet | i need a pci vid card cause linux doesnt like my s3 intigrated video |
| 08:07.40 | ferris | it doesn't have a nic |
| 08:07.52 | ferris | i am using a usb-nic converter |
| 08:07.53 | vircuser | yeah i always had problems with integrated stuff + the distros i tried |
| 08:08.02 | ferris | it works great |
| 08:08.09 | ferris | less setup time than windows |
| 08:08.11 | vircuser | ferris whats that mean its a nic that plugs into your usb? |
| 08:08.12 | AwesomeMachine | virc, if your ethernet card is supported the installer will download everything else from debian mirrors you give it, but have a few mirrors written down before you start the install |
| 08:08.26 | vircuser | AwesomeMachine; just in case its not, cool thanks |
| 08:08.41 | vircuser | well if my eth0 isnt supported |
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| 08:08.46 | vircuser | how would i get it to download anything |
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| 08:09.02 | AwesomeMachine | virc, I don't use onboard nic because I can't find a module |
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| 08:09.06 | ferris | i have a usb (printer) cable that goes to a nic/hub and comes out the other side as ethernet |
| 08:09.20 | Cyber_NY | sweet kde 3.3 is starting...running nice |
| 08:09.24 | Cyber_NY | yeeeeahhahahahha |
| 08:09.41 | takatumi | !comfort Cyber_NY |
| 08:09.41 | dpkg | There, there, Cyber_NY. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:09.43 | ferris | oh, crap.... i forgot i was installing |
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| 08:09.47 | ferris | thanks Cyber |
| 08:09.48 | beerman | tut po-russki govorjat? |
| 08:09.49 | vircuser | ferris; i dont get it whats it for isnt every cable coming out of a hub an ethernet cable except your power wire |
| 08:09.55 | Solet | just a guess, i suppose you would just install the bare os then get your ethernet card working... then run dselect again |
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| 08:10.34 | vircuser | if you're running an unsupported piece of hardware, what are the chances of getting it to work? |
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| 08:10.39 | libpcp | hi all |
| 08:10.44 | vircuser | do you just pray or is there actually something you can do |
| 08:10.47 | vircuser | hey lib |
| 08:10.57 | ibe | what nic is it? |
| 08:10.58 | bob2 | depends what you mean by "unsuppoered" |
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| 08:11.14 | vircuser | i dunno just anything that isnt supported, im just being generic |
| 08:11.15 | bob2 | if you mean "there's no driver", then you write one or lend it to someone who can |
| 08:11.19 | takatumi | vircuser: if it's something new, try starting the installer with linux26, will run the installer with a 2.6 kernel. |
| 08:11.19 | AwesomeMachine | virc, you have to download, build, and install a kernel module |
| 08:11.21 | vircuser | ah |
| 08:11.42 | valdyn_ | ------------------------ |
| 08:11.42 | libpcp | i enable a network card to my debian woody using modules. how do i make that card to boot on start? where should i add in the startup config |
| 08:11.45 | libpcp | i need to modprobe the modules to make it work |
| 08:11.45 | takatumi | libpcp: /etc/modules |
| 08:11.46 | miyo | libpcp: /etc/modules |
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| 08:12.18 | Solet | vircuser: translation for us linux idiots, shoot yourself in the foot then go buy a supported ethernet controller... it hurts less that way... |
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| 08:12.45 | Cyber_NY | sweet...nice.... |
| 08:12.50 | AwesomeMachine | it really does hurt less |
| 08:13.13 | libpcp | takatumi: i will add 3c59x to /etc/modules file? |
| 08:13.18 | vircuser | solet; basically haha |
| 08:13.25 | miyo | libpcp: Yes. |
| 08:13.26 | TinoW | libpcp: alternatively, use hotplug |
| 08:13.34 | vircuser | "you have to make the driver yourself" uh.. ok. |
| 08:13.38 | AwesomeMachine | you can look on ebay and look for a realtek 8139 chip |
| 08:13.42 | Solet | AwesomeMachine: you mean to tell me that that is a royal pain in the ass for guys like you too? |
| 08:13.42 | libpcp | what is hotplug? |
| 08:13.45 | vircuser | i dont even know how the hell youd go about doing that |
| 08:13.47 | TinoW | AwesomeMachine: eeek. |
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| 08:13.54 | TinoW | libpcp: apt-cache show hotplug |
| 08:13.55 | AwesomeMachine | solet, yes |
| 08:14.00 | bob2 | vircuser: it's not actually as hard as it sounds |
| 08:14.04 | takatumi | libpcp: is this a server? |
| 08:14.14 | AwesomeMachine | because you can't do anything with networking |
| 08:14.18 | bob2 | vircuser: all PCI NICs work similarily, for instance, you just need to fill in the bits that talk to the card |
| 08:14.29 | bob2 | vircuser: beyond my abilities, but not a lot of other people\s |
| 08:14.33 | Solet | bob2: oh is that all |
| 08:14.45 | Solet | </sarcasm> |
| 08:15.02 | AwesomeMachine | I would say you have to have a supported network card |
| 08:15.05 | bob2 | Solet: well, it's not trivial, but it's not like writing a whole OS or anything |
| 08:15.16 | EvanCarroll | what network card isn't supported? |
| 08:15.19 | bob2 | AwesomeMachine: dude, vircuser was asking how they get supported in generalk |
| 08:15.24 | libpcp | thanks guys |
| 08:15.28 | AwesomeMachine | oh |
| 08:15.29 | bob2 | are you guys incapable of abstract discussion or what? |
| 08:15.32 | libpcp | yeah server |
| 08:15.41 | Solet | rofl |
| 08:15.52 | AwesomeMachine | I can think abstactly |
| 08:16.03 | AwesomeMachine | even abstractly |
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| 08:16.14 | vircuser | haha |
| 08:16.19 | EvanCarroll | What is the network card problem? |
| 08:16.41 | vircuser | oh nothing |
| 08:16.53 | vircuser | are drivers in machine language? |
| 08:17.01 | bob2 | did all these people just imagine up a NIC problem? |
| 08:17.04 | bob2 | vircuser: no, C |
| 08:17.05 | EvanCarroll | vircuser: ... when compiled yes |
| 08:17.12 | bob2 | possibly with some assembly |
| 08:17.13 | vircuser | prior to compilation they're c? |
| 08:17.18 | vircuser | cool |
| 08:17.25 | ferris | and there you have it ... yes and no |
| 08:17.27 | ferris | lol |
| 08:17.30 | EvanCarroll | vircuser: or what ever they are written in =/ mostly C though =/ |
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| 08:17.48 | vircuser | bob2; at one point i brought up the fact that i always had problems running mandrake with onboard nic cards |
| 08:17.53 | vircuser | and it kind of went from there |
| 08:17.56 | bob2 | ah |
| 08:17.57 | bob2 | ok |
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| 08:18.09 | vircuser | bbut ive used tons of other distros perfectly fine |
| 08:18.10 | vircuser | really weird |
| 08:18.23 | AwesomeMachine | every linux has problems with most onboard nics |
| 08:18.27 | vircuser | I had to disable ACPI mode to get the nic to work with mandrake |
| 08:18.32 | vircuser | but in doing so, i would lose my USB functions |
| 08:18.35 | vircuser | so i'd have no mouse |
| 08:18.47 | bob2 | vircuser: nforce? |
| 08:18.56 | EvanCarroll | ... i've never had any problem with onboard nics =/ |
| 08:19.01 | vircuser | i doubt it its an HP |
| 08:19.03 | vircuser | i think its the other one |
| 08:19.11 | vircuser | too tired to remember the name right now |
| 08:19.22 | vircuser | its' a realtek nic card |
| 08:19.30 | vircuser | evan; i only had the prob with mandrake |
| 08:19.32 | vircuser | no others |
| 08:19.40 | miyo | EvanCarroll: I have had problems with onboard nics. |
| 08:19.45 | ferris | the only problem i have had with it is ... |
| 08:19.46 | ferris | me |
| 08:19.46 | ibe | vircuse what chipset is on the nic? |
| 08:19.52 | ibe | what mobo do you have |
| 08:19.57 | vircuser | hang on let me look |
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| 08:20.21 | AwesomeMachine | I know the realtek 8139 (8139too mod) is supported in virtually every linux |
| 08:20.37 | vircuser | Realtek RTL8139 |
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| 08:20.46 | miyo | EvanCarroll: e.g. with this one: 0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c940 10/100/1000Base-T [Marvell] (rev 12) |
| 08:20.46 | AwesomeMachine | that's it |
| 08:20.53 | Cyber_NY | hey kde is running fine but its running at 800x600 theres no setting that goes higher |
| 08:21.14 | EvanCarroll | miyo one sec looking it up |
| 08:21.25 | ferris | you did not use the advanced installation did you? |
| 08:21.26 | vircuser | its an Intel mobo i believe |
| 08:21.46 | miyo | EvanCarroll: When installing Sarge... it hangs (unless I install in expert mode and do not load the module) |
| 08:21.50 | vircuser | theres a bunch of different numbers Intel XXXX in the system drives list not sure whichone it is |
| 08:22.02 | ibe | are you in linux now? |
| 08:22.03 | AwesomeMachine | cyber, when you configure xserver set the monitor with sync ranges using the advanced function |
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| 08:22.22 | vircuser | ibe; no.. Xp :] |
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| 08:22.28 | vircuser | :] |
| 08:22.33 | vircuser | omg stop makking happy faces |
| 08:22.37 | vircuser | "XP :\ |
| 08:22.45 | vircuser | there, i'm about as close to braindead as you get right now |
| 08:22.46 | ibe | the relteck nics are supported under the NE2000 clones |
| 08:22.47 | ferris | that is the REAL problem! |
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| 08:22.52 | vircuser | lol |
| 08:23.06 | vircuser | ive got all my linux stuff on another harddrive i dont knoww hat distros installed on it though |
| 08:23.16 | vircuser | like i said im waiting till i build new system to run sarge |
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| 08:23.24 | Cyber_NY | can i do it from kde |
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| 08:23.52 | vircuser | bob2; is that good or bad |
| 08:23.56 | ferris | use it to boot from vircuser |
| 08:23.57 | AwesomeMachine | but you have to know the sync ranges of your monitor |
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| 08:24.19 | miyo | EvanCarroll: Oh, I have not loaded any module manually... I let the autodetection take care of that. |
| 08:24.21 | dream_awake | mod xorg.conf? |
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| 08:24.28 | Cyber_NY | i'm gonna look it up |
| 08:24.29 | miyo | EvanCarroll: autodetection -> leads to hanging |
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| 08:24.43 | vircuser | ferris; yeah or ill just run grub again i just dont feel like partitioning this harddrive |
| 08:24.44 | libpcp | is there a network configuration tool woody? |
| 08:24.49 | Zta | How do I uninstall Gnome? |
| 08:24.50 | AwesomeMachine | cyber, actualy, I would end that session and do it from the command lin e |
| 08:24.52 | miyo | EvanCarroll: Not that I really need the NIC, I have 3 working NICS attached already *grin* |
| 08:24.54 | smagy2 | hello folks just wondering if grsecurity patches work with 2.4.18 kernel ? the stable tree seems to have only 2.4.18 and 2.4.19 in the tree |
| 08:25.00 | miyo | EvanCarroll: But I will check the e1000 module. |
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| 08:25.14 | ferris | Cyber_NY... did you get the display settings figured out? |
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| 08:25.29 | libpcp | my second network card is configured now. but how do i set its IP address permamently? |
| 08:25.31 | vircuser | hey holycow |
| 08:25.33 | Zta | Somehow I installed it by accident while installing Debian, and now I've got a different X pointer (it's while and looks differnt), and my fluxbox won't read my own ~/.fluxbox settings.. |
| 08:25.42 | libpcp | is it in /etc/network/interface ? |
| 08:25.42 | Cyber_NY | dell e178fp sync range |
| 08:25.44 | ibe | i finally got around the EDID issues and got my res at 2048x1536 72 hrtz |
| 08:25.51 | spo0nman | what are the common things that one should check as performance metrics on a box? |
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| 08:25.54 | holycow | hola |
| 08:25.56 | EvanCarroll | miyo nothing i can do about the discovery problem, that stuff is usually checked out pretty fast, i would try to modprobe it and check dmesg for errors/warnings, then check the build notes on the more recent kernels (grep for e1000) and see if the issue has been resolved |
| 08:26.03 | Cyber_NY | nope not yet if anybody wants to help i'd appreciate it(wrong) |
| 08:26.45 | vircuser | Solet; do you already have sarge installed |
| 08:26.48 | AwesomeMachine | cyber, google you monitor with the word "specifications" |
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| 08:27.08 | AwesomeMachine | or look in the specs for sync ranges |
| 08:27.18 | ferris | what is the command for editing the display settings file? |
| 08:27.19 | Cyber_NY | nothing on both |
| 08:27.36 | ibe | vi XF86config |
| 08:27.40 | EvanCarroll | miyo: It could also be something in the bios you might want to be sure you have onboard lan enabled |
| 08:27.46 | Chameleon22 | whats a nice GUI CD/DVD burner software for linux? |
| 08:27.47 | streuner | ferris: /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 08:27.47 | streuner | ferris: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 08:27.56 | Penix | Chameleon22: k3b |
| 08:27.59 | ferris | run that Cyber |
| 08:28.03 | dream_awake | xorg.conf? |
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| 08:28.20 | streuner | nü |
| 08:28.24 | miyo | EvanCarroll: More recent than 2.6.10? *grin* |
| 08:28.32 | Chameleon22 | Penix: is that a for kde? |
| 08:28.32 | streuner | s/nü/no/ |
| 08:28.36 | EvanCarroll | miyo: Yes, 2.6.10 was a lemon especially |
| 08:28.36 | AwesomeMachine | cyber, run dpkg-reconfigre xserver-common |
| 08:28.37 | miyo | EvanCarroll: Though the installer is not running .10 yet. |
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| 08:29.01 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java |
| 08:29.01 | AwesomeMachine | and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:29.04 | Chameleon22 | Penix: ye i am running kde, so will check it out, thanx |
| 08:29.07 | miyo | EvanCarroll: I can almost say that it has been tried with all 2.6.x kernels. |
| 08:29.11 | dream_awake | proz |
| 08:29.15 | miyo | EvanCarroll: Might have missed one or two of them. |
| 08:29.18 | Cyber_NY | i still don't know the settings |
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| 08:29.27 | miyo | EvanCarroll: Sure it is enabled. |
| 08:29.31 | kevinz | hello, i am using terminal-emulator, but i find the C-^ which is said in help can not make me send command to emacs, when i type it nothing happened |
| 08:29.42 | chugga | is there a simple way of forwading an audio stream from one computer to another? |
| 08:29.42 | AwesomeMachine | cyber, what king of video card do you have? |
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| 08:29.48 | ferris | Cyber... run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and you will see what you need to do |
| 08:29.52 | suzzi | howdy |
| 08:29.56 | vircuser | hi |
| 08:30.00 | ferris | thanks AwsomeMachine |
| 08:30.01 | suzzi | any nano users here tonight? |
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| 08:30.39 | Cyber_NY | ferris can i do that from kde |
| 08:30.40 | suzzi | any one know if nano can select multiple lines and then tab them in? |
| 08:30.53 | ferris | from the command line |
| 08:30.56 | dream_awake | nona can't support multi-char |
| 08:30.59 | AwesomeMachine | ok cyber, then you have top know the sync rangers of your monitor and pick the vesa driver |
| 08:31.00 | ferris | as root |
| 08:31.02 | takatumi | kevinz: C- as in the Control key right? |
| 08:31.19 | suzzi | dream_awake: drat |
| 08:31.23 | suzzi | dream_awake: oh well. |
| 08:31.39 | dream_awake | yes? |
| 08:31.42 | Cyber_NY | i picked the vesa driver...and i was sure i picked the right sync.. |
| 08:31.51 | ferris | *brb |
| 08:32.00 | ibe | anyone messed with crossover office |
| 08:32.03 | AwesomeMachine | did you use the advanced monitor setup |
| 08:32.27 | AwesomeMachine | or medium |
| 08:32.32 | jetscreamer | you need to know your monitors vert and horz refresh rates for the advanced |
| 08:32.40 | AwesomeMachine | I know |
| 08:32.40 | jetscreamer | medium works |
| 08:32.47 | AwesomeMachine | but that works the best |
| 08:33.08 | vircuser | do open office files translate to word 100% |
| 08:33.19 | holycow | no |
| 08:33.21 | kevinz | takatumi: yes |
| 08:33.22 | G2 | where about to I set the syslog report level for e-mails to 10, being the most verbose? |
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| 08:33.23 | vircuser | oh crap |
| 08:33.25 | holycow | ms keeps their spec closed |
| 08:33.36 | vircuser | so my teacher cant read my paper |
| 08:33.41 | holycow | no he will |
| 08:33.47 | jetscreamer | the print wil be there |
| 08:33.53 | holycow | it will only translate what they know ms will be able to read |
| 08:33.54 | vircuser | what'll be wrong it wont look all jumbled or somethign willi t |
| 08:33.55 | jetscreamer | the formatting may be different |
| 08:33.59 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:34.00 | vircuser | hm k |
| 08:34.05 | holycow | not very different |
| 08:34.09 | jetscreamer | tables look different |
| 08:34.15 | holycow | your talking 95% consistency |
| 08:34.15 | vircuser | k |
| 08:34.17 | ibe | save as a pdf |
| 08:34.19 | takatumi | kevinz: which help? |
| 08:34.20 | vircuser | good |
| 08:34.20 | holycow | only changes if you get super fancy |
| 08:34.23 | holycow | what ibe said |
| 08:34.25 | holycow | convert to pdf |
| 08:34.25 | vircuser | ibe adobe can read it fine? |
| 08:34.33 | holycow | never send anyone an 'editing' file format |
| 08:34.46 | vircuser | do i just save it as a pdf or do ido something to make it a pdf |
| 08:34.49 | vircuser | k |
| 08:34.50 | holycow | if you want presentation send a 'presentation' format, however ugly pdf might seem its theeeee way to do it |
| 08:34.54 | jetscreamer | i see you got your nick back holycow |
| 08:35.12 | holycow | *shrug* someone else noticed before i cared frankly :) |
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| 08:35.33 | bloodaway | hi is there a console pdf viewer |
| 08:35.38 | ibe | xpdf |
| 08:35.44 | Cyber_NY | hey it says command not found |
| 08:35.46 | bloodaway | xpdf is not in console |
| 08:35.56 | kevinz | takatumi: "terminal-emulator" |
| 08:36.05 | Cyber_NY | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 08:37.04 | vircuser | when you do an apt-get install package, does that recompile the kernel |
| 08:37.08 | vircuser | it does right |
| 08:37.16 | AwesomeMachine | virc, no |
| 08:37.19 | vircuser | oh |
| 08:37.19 | bob2 | no |
| 08:37.21 | EvanCarroll | vircuser: no it installs a new precompiled kernel |
| 08:37.26 | EvanCarroll | vircuser: if you ask it to =/ |
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| 08:37.31 | nevyn | vircuser: no not at all. |
| 08:37.36 | AwesomeMachine | it takes 20 min to compile the kernel |
| 08:37.43 | vircuser | thats not bad |
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| 08:37.48 | vircuser | what makes you have to complile the kernel |
| 08:37.55 | holycow | on debian not much |
| 08:37.58 | vircuser | k |
| 08:38.03 | holycow | debians kernels are mostly modular |
| 08:38.04 | AwesomeMachine | if you want the kernel smaller |
| 08:38.05 | jetscreamer | jsut a desire |
| 08:38.12 | holycow | everything is loaded as a module on boot or whatever |
| 08:38.15 | takatumi | kevinz: so which terminal-emulator is it? |
| 08:38.30 | Zta | Is there a smart way to uninstall all gnome-related packages? |
| 08:38.31 | kevinz | takatumi: bash, does it conflict? |
| 08:38.38 | Zta | Gnome-desktop-env related packages.. |
| 08:38.44 | AwesomeMachine | it's a bit difficult to customize a kernel in debian |
| 08:38.45 | bob2 | Zta: remove a library they Depend on |
| 08:38.47 | bob2 | like gtk |
| 08:38.49 | takatumi | kevinz: are you in gnome? |
| 08:38.56 | vircuser | hm |
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| 08:39.08 | EvanCarroll | zta yes |
| 08:39.11 | kevinz | yes in gnome |
| 08:39.17 | kevinz | takatumi: yes i am in gnome |
| 08:39.18 | EvanCarroll | zta one sec as i attempt to rewrite this. |
| 08:39.19 | AwesomeMachine | but that is why you recompile, to customize |
| 08:39.44 | Zta | dpkg -pruge libgnomeui-common perhaps.. |
| 08:39.45 | dpkg | Zta: wish i knew |
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| 08:39.55 | Zta | dpkg, ...right |
| 08:39.55 | dpkg | Zta: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 08:40.22 | AwesomeMachine | virc, I got so mad at windows, that I switched to linux and it took me a year to learn it |
| 08:40.35 | EvanCarroll | Zta: apt-cache search gnome | xargs apt-cache search rdepends | xargs sed -e'/|/d' -e'/Reverse/d' | apt-get --purge -yes remove |
| 08:40.37 | EvanCarroll | hahah |
| 08:40.37 | EvanCarroll | that should work |
| 08:40.38 | EvanCarroll | i think |
| 08:40.40 | Cyber_NY | i'll work on the rest tomorrow or later :)>- thanks everybody |
| 08:40.44 | EvanCarroll | I did it once and it worked |
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| 08:40.52 | AwesomeMachine | yvw cyber |
| 08:40.56 | takatumi | kevinz: you can configure which terminal-emulator is your default with update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
| 08:40.58 | Zta | EvanCarroll, =) |
| 08:41.37 | EvanCarroll | Zta: it might work or it might completly blow up your computer killing everyone around, its pretty damn nasty =/ |
| 08:41.41 | kevinz | takatumi: ah, i see |
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| 08:43.12 | dream_awake | 4k-grubby |
| 08:43.20 | EvanCarroll | Zta: if you understand that sequence you might feel safe to run it, if not i woulden't suggest it, im not sure how the rdepends on gnome are going to play out, because gnome should have xwindows as an rdepends, and it might try to kill that, or it might not =/ puts you at the mercy of the package managers |
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| 08:44.49 | holycow | *ooo* opengroupware isn't too hard to install |
| 08:44.52 | EvanCarroll | anyway im off to bed |
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| 08:45.02 | Zta | EvanCarroll, removing the gnomeui lib worked. |
| 08:45.05 | AwesomeMachine | cya evan |
| 08:45.05 | holycow | instructions for anyone that cares --> http://download.opengroupware.org/packages/debian/contrib/how-to-install-OGo10a9-at-DebSarge.txt |
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| 08:45.37 | AwesomeMachine | hi athon |
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| 08:48.20 | streuner | holycow: looks nice |
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| 08:48.35 | jeff_ | Quick question: i'm using a g4 desktop. Which kernel should i be using? I can't quite tell what the difference between the -power4-pmac and -powerpc-pmac kernels are |
| 08:48.46 | rootmos | hi gurus, i want to grep for nummber 143 and not 141 how do i do that? |
| 08:49.01 | buu | rootmos: man grep |
| 08:49.03 | holycow | streuner, it's nifty, i'm gonna check it out, although the novell hula project also has my interest too |
| 08:49.14 | rootmos | buu: thanks... |
| 08:49.15 | miyo | rootmos: | grep 143 | grep -v 141 |
| 08:49.48 | rootmos | miyo: cheers |
| 08:49.48 | bob2 | jeff_: the former is for g5 macs, aiui |
| 08:50.00 | jetscreamer | other than a stethescope, how do i figure out which hd is giving out the click of death |
| 08:50.24 | buu | jetscreamer: Run a tester on each one individually |
| 08:50.49 | tarzeau | lpq shows me only printer@host 0 jobs, usually i get about 10 lines of info and not just one |
| 08:50.53 | tarzeau | what could be missing ? |
| 08:51.10 | jeff_ | thanks bob2 |
| 08:51.12 | jetscreamer | s.m.a.r.t. and the manuf. test 'suite' return no errors. |
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| 08:51.27 | AwesomeMachine | jetscreamer, run dd and image something, the failing drive will have i/o errors |
| 08:51.34 | holycow | haha, tasks in opengroupware has a timer! neat! |
| 08:51.46 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: turn them off one by one |
| 08:51.52 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: hdparm |
| 08:51.56 | holycow | 1 minute added to task, oh thats slick |
| 08:52.10 | jetscreamer | thankee all |
| 08:52.27 | AwesomeMachine | I have to goto bed, cyall |
| 08:53.19 | Roadrunne | which package can i choose to monitor network traffic (count of bytes and bandwidth)? |
| 08:53.31 | streuner | iptraf |
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| 08:54.07 | miyo | Roadrunne: ntop? |
| 08:54.35 | Roadrunne | miyo: how can i configure it not to be a deamon? |
| 08:54.51 | miyo | Roadrunne: Oh, you want non-daemon |
| 08:54.53 | miyo | Roadrunne: iftop |
| 08:55.00 | jm_ | you can't, but there are other tools, such as iptraf, nettop, darkstat, ... |
| 08:55.31 | Roadrunne | miyo: as far as i can remember, old versions of ntop did not ran as deamon? |
| 08:56.04 | miyo | Need to run. |
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| 08:57.19 | technoMyst | Anyone know of a good bind tutorial> |
| 08:57.40 | Roadrunne | jm_: old versions of ntop weren't deamon like? |
| 08:57.44 | redluorg | 4, 8 or 9? |
| 08:57.47 | streuner | install bind9-doc |
| 08:58.20 | jetscreamer | 9 |
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| 08:58.54 | jetscreamer | isn't 8 like insecure? |
| 08:59.05 | technoMyst | thx |
| 08:59.12 | jm_ | Roadrunne: I have no idea, I never really liked it |
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| 08:59.42 | redluorg | jetscreamer, i wouldn't use anything but 9. |
| 08:59.51 | Roadrunne | jm_: ok, just installed iptraf. seems to be much better than ntop :-) |
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| 09:00.54 | kombi | how do I change the language in webalizer? |
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| 09:02.44 | streuner | kombi: in awstats you have to edit the config-file... |
| 09:03.15 | kombi | good that is.. |
| 09:03.29 | kombi | just read you need to recompile in webalizer |
| 09:03.48 | kombi | how is that done with the debian version anyway? |
| 09:04.31 | streuner | kombi: ich verstehe kein Wort, sag es einfach in deutsch, das sollte aber eine Ausnahme bleiben... |
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| 09:05.10 | takatumi | jm_: iptraf is nice, was a jnettop fan so far. |
| 09:05.18 | kombi | streuner: wie kompiliert man die debian-version von webalizer neu |
| 09:05.40 | streuner | kombi: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 09:06.16 | vircuser | do you use a terminal program or just the console for terminal emulatoin |
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| 09:06.43 | streuner | kombi: you have at this point debian/rules, the rest is easy then. |
| 09:06.44 | takatumi | vircuser: uxterm or rxvt with screen |
| 09:06.55 | vircuser | ty |
| 09:07.27 | streuner | kombi: btw, what's wrong with the version in debian? |
| 09:07.36 | kombi | streuner: wrong language |
| 09:07.50 | miyo | vircuser: mrxvt |
| 09:07.58 | streuner | kombi: and there is no way to change that in a config? |
| 09:08.18 | kombi | nope, webalizer.org says only during compile |
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| 09:09.37 | tub | when I try to boot up with 2.6.10 kernel it says "kernel panic. not syncing VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown - block (3,7). I have vmlinuz, initrd and root defined in lilo.conf |
| 09:10.00 | ibe | what file system |
| 09:10.09 | tub | ext2 |
| 09:10.18 | ibe | built into the kernel? |
| 09:10.22 | tub | yes |
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| 09:10.38 | ibe | you have the right partition specified for root |
| 09:10.59 | takatumi | !tell tub -about norootfs |
| 09:11.04 | tub | i have root=/dev/hda7 |
| 09:11.26 | ibe | is hat corrent? |
| 09:11.29 | tub | and it works with 2.2 kernel |
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| 09:13.40 | tub | takatumi: thanks, i will check if that ext2 support is only modular |
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| 09:13.55 | keith_ | Debian3r4. Xine. This message come up when trying to play a video DVD. "-xine error- There is no available input plugin available to handle 'xine-ui' version 0.9.8." Can anyone explain how to fix this? |
| 09:14.17 | streuner | keith_: upgrade to sarge |
| 09:14.41 | mixter | hi! i'd like to use tr (or another command line tool) to remove all characters on a line that except digits, like echo abc123 | tr -d [:digit:] but the other way around :-) |
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| 09:15.32 | Milenko | anybody here care to help a newbie setup an identd >_< |
| 09:15.44 | miyo | mixter: | perl -wpe 's/\d+//g' |
| 09:15.50 | streuner | Milenko: apt-get install ident-package, done. |
| 09:15.55 | miyo | mixter: oops, wrong way around. |
| 09:16.02 | Milenko | doesnt work |
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| 09:16.14 | streuner | Milenko: apt-get install nullidentd? |
| 09:16.18 | Milenko | it installs.. but will not work.. |
| 09:16.26 | miyo | mixter: | perl -wpe 's/\D+//g' |
| 09:16.30 | mixter | miyo: ah! thanks... |
| 09:16.39 | miyo | Milenko: You have firewall? |
| 09:16.41 | Milenko | i dont know what the hell is going on |
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| 09:16.46 | poptix | Hi |
| 09:16.48 | Milenko | nope |
| 09:16.59 | Milenko | and port 113 is already open on my router |
| 09:17.00 | streuner | Milenko: using router/gateway? |
| 09:17.01 | poptix | is there a 'don't install docs and man pages' option by chance? =) |
| 09:17.31 | streuner | Milenko: have you forward that to your box too (IP)? |
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| 09:17.40 | Milenko | router.. with port 113 already open for everything |
| 09:17.41 | Milenko | yes |
| 09:17.54 | takatumi | poptix: what are you trying to install? :P |
| 09:17.57 | miyo | Milenko: Have you forwarded the port to your machine? |
| 09:18.02 | streuner | Milenko: what do mean with 'everything'? |
| 09:18.03 | miyo | Milenko: Or do you have the identd running on router? |
| 09:18.20 | Milenko | forwarded the port to this machine and identd is runnon on this machine |
| 09:18.21 | poptix | takatumi: i just need to skip installing anything that i don't absolutely need |
| 09:18.25 | Milenko | well.. runs on this machine |
| 09:18.30 | Milenko | but it wont cooperate :P |
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| 09:18.50 | streuner | Milenko: to which network you want to connect? |
| 09:19.03 | takatumi | poptix: that would depend on your specific need, wouldn't it? |
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| 09:19.23 | poptix | takatumi: my specific need is to pack as much as possible into 64MB of disk space |
| 09:19.33 | Milenko | well multiple networks.. i can connect to networks fine its the Ident problem with irc.. like for a network where im an oper i cant oper because of the stupid ~ symbol |
| 09:19.39 | takatumi | poptix: ouch. |
| 09:20.15 | Milenko | could this be a problem in inetd's configuration and not just ident2? |
| 09:20.23 | streuner | Milenko: identd doesn't work either now for you..., if you use nullidentd in debian now |
| 09:20.31 | streuner | no |
| 09:20.45 | Milenko | uhm.. what? |
| 09:20.52 | Milenko | i didnt quite understand that |
| 09:21.37 | streuner | Milenko: '~' before your nick indicates that you don't use identd yet... |
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| 09:21.44 | poptix | stupid debian is trying to keep me from shooting myself in the foot |
| 09:21.52 | poptix | when i know precisely what i'm doing |
| 09:21.53 | Milenko | well i have installed it.. but it wont work :( |
| 09:22.32 | streuner | Milenko: apt-get install nullidentd, configure router/gateway, done. |
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| 09:22.47 | poptix | takatumi: funny thing is, this device has 64MB of ram, and 64MB of flash =p |
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| 09:24.08 | streuner | Milenko: you have two possibilities with that configuration, oicidentd or nullidentd |
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| 09:24.36 | streuner | Milenko: oidentd |
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| 09:25.19 | Milenko | you mean nullidentd can use oidentd configuration files? |
| 09:25.26 | Milenko | you lost me |
| 09:25.30 | Milenko | heh |
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| 09:26.42 | MoRLoCh | hello, is there a way to extract dpkg selections file from /var/lib/spkg/status ? |
| 09:27.03 | MoRLoCh | that's the only file I was able to save from my broken HD, can I rebuild the system from that? |
| 09:27.18 | jm_ | MoRLoCh: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 09:27.27 | MoRLoCh | thanks |
| 09:27.51 | MoRLoCh | jm_: thanks a lot :) |
| 09:28.14 | Milenko | :D |
| 09:28.16 | Milenko | it works |
| 09:28.30 | Milenko | now too reboot and see if it woorks by default |
| 09:28.32 | jm_ | MoRLoCh: no worries |
| 09:28.33 | streuner | show us |
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| 09:28.46 | Milenko | whois me now |
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| 09:28.59 | poptix | your ident is functioning. |
| 09:29.02 | streuner | everybody saw your joining |
| 09:29.05 | Milenko | oh ok |
| 09:29.06 | Milenko | lol |
| 09:29.34 | Milenko | so this should work if i reboot my box also? it will start up when the box starts right |
| 09:29.43 | poptix | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.51 | bob2 | Milenko: no need to reboot |
| 09:29.52 | poptix | why the hell does ssh depend on debconf |
| 09:29.53 | bob2 | but yes |
| 09:30.07 | bob2 | poptix: er, so it can ask questions during installation? |
| 09:30.13 | bob2 | same reason anything Depends on debconf. |
| 09:30.15 | poptix | it's already installed. |
| 09:30.23 | poptix | thus, it's okay to remove debconf. |
| 09:30.24 | Milenko | bob2, multiple OS's .. some stuff is on the windows partition |
| 09:30.25 | bob2 | so...? |
| 09:30.31 | bob2 | poptix: no, it's not |
| 09:30.39 | Milenko | im just a newbie with Linux.. im slowly converting over |
| 09:30.41 | bob2 | then dpkg-reconfigure won't work. |
| 09:30.53 | Milenko | im liking how stable this OS is :D |
| 09:32.20 | Milenko | im.. gonna reboot too see if it works o.o |
| 09:32.20 | poptix | bob2: why would i want debian configuring anything |
| 09:32.25 | Milenko | just too ease my mind |
| 09:32.32 | Milenko | thanks for all the help guys :) |
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| 09:35.59 | takatumi | poptix: if you don't want the functionality of debian, look at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
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| 09:36.38 | poptix | i'm not sure I would call it 'functionality' |
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| 09:38.24 | takatumi | poptix: or maybe /msg dpkg emdebian |
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| 09:38.33 | charolastra | hi |
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| 09:38.59 | poptix | shrug |
| 09:39.07 | poptix | i just find myself deleting some of the most retarded things |
| 09:39.19 | poptix | that all get packed into some ABSOLUTE NECESSARY package |
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| 09:39.31 | poptix | like uhm.. losetup, mkfs, ip6tables.. |
| 09:39.38 | poptix | ldconfig.. |
| 09:39.54 | charolastra | i can't find the samba server with apt. isn't it part of debian? |
| 09:39.56 | poptix | those things should all be in their own packages |
| 09:40.13 | directhex|work | charolastra, which version of debian? |
| 09:40.19 | charolastra | sid |
| 09:40.24 | yaboo | anyone know alsa |
| 09:40.26 | directhex|work | !info samba sid |
| 09:40.31 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2388 kB, Installed size: 6088 kB |
| 09:40.41 | takatumi | poptix: if you do manage to boot and function properly after all this deletion, be sure to document it and publish. |
| 09:41.01 | poptix | takatumi: eh? |
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| 09:41.05 | poptix | this system already boots |
| 09:41.34 | poptix | inittab does two things, runs a script to ifconfig eth0 x.x.x.x, and makes sure sshd has spawned and stays spawned |
| 09:41.49 | takatumi | yaboo: ain't it working? |
| 09:41.54 | poptix | no need for modules, ldconfig, ip6tables, losetup.. |
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| 09:42.14 | deconvolution | hi, is firewall still running after I closed the firestarter GUI? |
| 09:42.14 | poptix | i already wiped out all the stupid init scripts |
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| 09:42.22 | Mr_Milenko | well.. that works :D |
| 09:42.31 | Mr_Milenko | and i have a VERY stupid question O_o |
| 09:42.47 | charolastra | directhex|work: well, the server isn't in this package |
| 09:42.58 | Mr_Milenko | how do i mount an NTFS filesystem so all users have access too it >_< |
| 09:42.59 | poptix | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 101224 Mar 21 2002 e2fsck |
| 09:43.02 | poptix | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 101224 Mar 21 2002 fsck.ext2 |
| 09:43.04 | poptix | ^- what's the point of that |
| 09:43.13 | poptix | symlink would do |
| 09:43.16 | charolastra | i also searched for smbd in all the packages and it didn't turn up |
| 09:43.26 | yaboo | takatumi, would like multiple sound devices working through the same speaker simultaneously |
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| 09:43.33 | miyo | deconvolution: iptables -L -v |
| 09:43.39 | streuner | Mr_Milenko: man exports |
| 09:43.51 | takatumi | !tell yaboo -about dmix |
| 09:43.58 | directhex|work | !find usr/sbin/smbd |
| 09:44.02 | poptix | yaboo: use a sound daemon (artsd, esound, etc) |
| 09:44.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/sbin/smbd' (2 shown): (/usr/sbin/smbd) in net/samba ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/smbd) in devel/samba-dbg. |
| 09:44.26 | Mr_Milenko | No manual entry for exports |
| 09:44.41 | directhex|work | Mr_Milenko, you're being given the wrong answer |
| 09:44.45 | yaboo | takatumi, dmix? |
| 09:45.01 | directhex|work | Mr_Milenko, man mount, look for ntfs options relating to (i think) umask |
| 09:45.12 | directhex|work | Mr_Milenko, i.e. add umask=0222 as a mount option, i think |
| 09:45.12 | charolastra | yaboo: 2 posibilities: a) use a sound server like arts b) setup dmix |
| 09:45.19 | yaboo | poptix does sound daemon artsd wrk with alsa |
| 09:45.27 | streuner | Mr_Milenko: install the nfs-kernel-server package |
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| 09:45.46 | directhex|work | yaboo, yes, but only with applications designed for that sound daemon |
| 09:45.58 | directhex|work | yaboo, also, they often introduce a lot of audio lag |
| 09:46.07 | yaboo | charolastra, would like to play like in windows game sound and do skype when playing |
| 09:46.24 | yaboo | under linux |
| 09:46.35 | charolastra | get a multichannel soundcard :) |
| 09:46.55 | paulswm | Mr_Milenko: Don't worry about exports unless you are mounting it so people on other machines can see it. directhex|work's advice is correct |
| 09:47.13 | Coke | yaboo: only soundcards with mixing DSP's can do that. there are workaround with sound servers, but I do not recommend it |
| 09:47.28 | Mr_Milenko | well.. i can mount it no prob now.. but now its saying i dont have propper rights too see my files |
| 09:47.30 | Mr_Milenko | :-/ |
| 09:47.42 | charolastra | yaboo: with dmix all the alsa programs will work at the same time; with the servers all progs that can talk to the server will work |
| 09:47.43 | ZyX | i haven't had any results to aptget upgrade for some days now.. but on an other sarge machine i get updates every day.. what might be the reason? the first one uses a local update server |
| 09:47.47 | graytron | tarzeau: have you ever packaged kernel modules? |
| 09:47.51 | Coke | Mr_Milenko: man mount, there are options for setting default permissions. |
| 09:47.56 | paulswm | Mr_Milenko: check the man page for mount and look for the ntfs options |
| 09:48.01 | directhex|work | Coke, or with alsa, which is driver level |
| 09:48.09 | Coke | directhex|work: not for all cards yet |
| 09:48.09 | charolastra | but there are some which only work with OSS (like skype which will still block the soundcard) |
| 09:48.20 | takatumi | neither have I set-up dmix, nor do I run artsd or esound, I have tried running 4 instances of mplayer with audible sound. just ALSA |
| 09:48.29 | yaboo | Coke is a intel-8x0 sound card in a laptop a mixing DSP |
| 09:48.49 | Coke | yaboo: well then, just play all the sounds you want and it will work nicely in ALSA |
| 09:48.50 | directhex|work | yaboo, no, that mixes at a driver level in windows |
| 09:48.59 | directhex|work | yaboo, and i've already given you exactly what you need |
| 09:49.17 | directhex|work | yaboo, the final url in the dmix factoid. save that file to /etc, make your apps use alsa for output. |
| 09:49.42 | yaboo | directhex|work, what sound daemon |
| 09:49.53 | yaboo | is dmix a debian package |
| 09:50.02 | directhex|work | yaboo, _NO_ sound daemon. jeeses, have you been paying ANY attention? |
| 09:50.04 | charolastra | no |
| 09:50.17 | yaboo | directhex|work, too newbie to know |
| 09:50.18 | charolastra | look at the alsa page to see how to setup dmix |
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| 09:50.50 | tarzeau | graytron: not for debian |
| 09:51.00 | directhex|work | charolastra, or copy & paste the example config which has always worked for me on intel8x0 |
| 09:51.11 | yaboo | charolastra, will look at the alsa page |
| 09:51.40 | tarzeau | graytron: what kernel modules are we thinking of? |
| 09:51.44 | takatumi | directhex|work: I haven't done that and it still works. is it really my sound card? it's an ali5451, built static. |
| 09:51.49 | graytron | tarzeau: i'm trying to package the 3ware 3w-9xxx driver for 2.4 kernels because its not in the kernel, but i'm having problems ;) |
| 09:52.02 | tarzeau | graytron: heh, we need that too :) |
| 09:52.25 | tarzeau | graytron: you use debian kernels, own make-kpkg kernels, or something completely custom? |
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| 09:52.42 | graytron | tarzeau: its been a long time since your lesson @ #debian-friendly and i haven't packaged a single package since then :( |
| 09:53.03 | graytron | tarzeau: i use debian kernel-source to build my own kernels with make-kpkg |
| 09:53.03 | directhex|work | takatumi, there are i think 2 or 3 drivers with hardware mixing in alsa. |
| 09:53.11 | Mr_Milenko | uhm ok.. im reading this and its gibberish too me |
| 09:53.11 | tarzeau | graytron: heh, there was a new lesson see the link on the top, www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ but nothing advanced |
| 09:53.21 | tarzeau | graytron: marga made a very nice summary on the wiki |
| 09:53.35 | graytron | tarzeau: yes! i checked that url also :) |
| 09:53.37 | tarzeau | graytron: what about you make a lesson on that? |
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| 09:54.38 | graytron | tarzeau: sorry, but i'm not into that :) i prefer doing stuff silently, until i run into problems, and then come here whining ;) |
| 09:55.01 | poptix | /dev/root 120M 38M 76M 34% / |
| 09:55.07 | poptix | getting there |
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| 09:55.38 | Sniper__cry | I have a question.... |
| 09:55.41 | yaboo | also anyone used debian on a sgi )2 |
| 09:55.44 | graytron | tarzeau: i guess i'll just have to see other packaged kernel modules for assistance |
| 09:55.47 | yaboo | sgi O2 |
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| 09:56.01 | tarzeau | yaboo: r5k or r10k? |
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| 09:56.32 | tarzeau | graytron: i think so. we have our own kernels build (hardware that debian doesn't support, well lag of linux kernel in debian) |
| 09:56.45 | Mr_Milenko | yay |
| 09:56.47 | Mr_Milenko | i got it |
| 09:56.48 | Mr_Milenko | :) |
| 09:56.55 | graytron | tarzeau: if i manage to create a working 3w-9xxx package i will document the steps though, and i can send it to you |
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| 09:57.12 | Mr_Milenko | add umask=002 to the options and it will mount :D |
| 09:57.15 | tarzeau | graytron: put it on the wiki :) see /topic |
| 09:57.28 | Sniper__cry | I have a iso about Knoppix more than 2.6 giga but the dvd doen't boot. Some ideas? |
| 09:57.40 | yaboo | tarzeau, think r5k, was given it today |
| 09:57.47 | olim | you didnt burn it with a bootable flag |
| 09:57.49 | graytron | tarzeau: will do, if succeed |
| 09:57.50 | yaboo | has 128mb ram and 4gb hdd |
| 09:57.53 | tarzeau | yaboo: nice, tbm made a d-i hack for it. found that? |
| 09:58.13 | tarzeau | yaboo: i've got a r10k so, i am only able to run the 2.5.47 from glaurung .. |
| 09:58.30 | yaboo | tarzeau, is there a limit with a r5k |
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| 09:58.47 | tarzeau | yaboo: not that i know of, others have reported successfull installs of debian |
| 09:59.00 | tarzeau | yaboo: you might want to check the debian mips mailinglist |
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| 09:59.07 | poptix | crap |
| 09:59.08 | yaboo | tarzeau, can a r12k work under debian |
| 09:59.20 | tarzeau | yaboo: i doubt. at least not yet |
| 09:59.23 | poptix | debian replaced my own compiled watchdog binary (the one that actually works!@#$) |
| 10:00.40 | yaboo | tarzeau, thanks, so I should buy a r10k and some more ram for it |
| 10:00.50 | poptix | takatumi: |
| 10:00.55 | poptix | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.56 | spo0nman | hmm, where can i find the name of my video card? i guess its an AGP. /proc/pciinfo tells nothing about it. |
| 10:00.58 | tarzeau | yaboo: nooo stay with the r5k you have |
| 10:00.59 | poptix | /dev/root 120M 37M 77M 33% / |
| 10:01.02 | poptix | boots fine. |
| 10:01.05 | TinoW | hm. can initrd-image be gzip compressed ext3fs? |
| 10:01.11 | directhex|work | Sniper__cry, this isn't a knoppix channel. |
| 10:01.24 | yaboo | tarzeau, don't get a r10k |
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| 10:02.33 | paulswm | poptix: the trick is to follow the FHS in debian-policy and put locally compiled stuff out of the way, of course :) |
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| 10:03.01 | miyo | spo0nman: lspci |
| 10:03.14 | yaboo | can someone give me url reference to dmix for debian |
| 10:03.25 | bob2 | !+fmix |
| 10:03.28 | bob2 | !+dmix |
| 10:03.28 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 10:03.34 | bob2 | there you go |
| 10:03.43 | tarzeau | yaboo: i have one already... |
| 10:03.45 | poptix | paulswm: or just rm -rf apt/debconf/dpkg |
| 10:03.54 | paulswm | heh |
| 10:03.59 | yaboo | tarzeau, msg me it please |
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| 10:04.35 | poptix | i shaved off like 40 megs with rm -rf /var/lib/[apt|dpkg] |
| 10:05.01 | bob2 | hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 10:05.06 | nkuttler | poptix: um... |
| 10:05.08 | bob2 | why are you bothering with debian at all? |
| 10:05.19 | bob2 | you can't install/remove packages anyway. |
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| 10:05.26 | spo0nman | miyo: it says VIA Technologies unknown device (3108) |
| 10:05.40 | poptix | bob2: i already have all the packages I need. |
| 10:06.09 | miyo | spo0nman: lspci -v and then google with the information |
| 10:06.17 | paulswm | I didn't think anyone would seriously do that |
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| 10:06.33 | fatal_ | update-pciids might help. |
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| 10:07.07 | miyo | fatal_: Thanks, didn't know that one. |
| 10:07.13 | oliM | I'm running 3.0r4 of Debian and I was wondering if that is why i am not able to upgrade my kernel to 2.6*. I installed from a netinstall disk. |
| 10:07.26 | stein | If a source package produces multiple binary deb packages, is it possible to build only one of them ? Would that save compiling time ? ( in case of xfree86 ? ) |
| 10:07.27 | jm_ | oliM: correct |
| 10:07.29 | poptix | oliM: be happy you've got a 2.4.x kernel |
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| 10:07.44 | oliM | ack... i'm running 2.2* |
| 10:07.46 | oliM | sorry |
| 10:07.46 | paulswm | I have no probs with 2.6 |
| 10:07.48 | poptix | haha |
| 10:07.50 | poptix | see |
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| 10:08.06 | directhex|work | oliM, is this a desktop or a server? |
| 10:08.10 | oliM | apt wont even see bttornado |
| 10:08.18 | oliM | a little bit of both hehe |
| 10:08.23 | jm_ | bittornado is only in Sarge or newer |
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| 10:08.28 | directhex|work | oliM, that's a stupid answer. |
| 10:08.36 | oliM | well, sorry sir |
| 10:08.58 | oliM | i use it for both |
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| 10:09.14 | directhex|work | oliM, so it's an internet-facing web server? |
| 10:09.28 | oliM | no... but not all servers have to be webservers |
| 10:09.38 | chugga | is there a good guide to dist-cc? |
| 10:10.03 | directhex|work | oliM, drop the vagueness, or just don't bother asking questions at all. |
| 10:10.32 | oliM | jeez, no. it's not a server facing the internet. i've got it behind my router. |
| 10:10.40 | oliM | no outside traffic is allowed to it |
| 10:10.47 | oliM | i just use it to serve my music |
| 10:10.48 | directhex|work | fine. you're runnign the wrong version of debian, then. |
| 10:10.56 | oliM | ok |
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| 10:11.06 | chugga | Olim, how do you serve it? |
| 10:11.09 | oliM | i need to run sarge then? |
| 10:11.20 | oliM | samba or ftp |
| 10:11.22 | ledet | oliM: yes |
| 10:11.28 | paulswm | oliM: That would be much better |
| 10:11.29 | oliM | okay |
| 10:11.31 | directhex|work | yes. you really want to run sarge. |
| 10:11.50 | oliM | alright thanks for the help. |
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| 10:11.53 | chugga | http://www.rarewares.org/debian.html |
| 10:11.54 | oliM | it's much appreciated |
| 10:12.03 | chugga | cool site. but it doesnt have packages for sarge |
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| 10:12.10 | oliM | okay |
| 10:12.13 | oliM | thanks chugga |
| 10:12.14 | directhex|work | either /msg dpkg d-i for a fresh install, or /msg dpkg woody->sarge for an upgrade |
| 10:12.17 | chugga | welcome |
| 10:12.27 | oliM | alright |
| 10:12.45 | Shadur | Augh. grub's being a bitch. |
| 10:13.11 | directhex|work | chugga, usually package for sid will just work |
| 10:13.31 | chugga | directhex|work, interesting :) |
| 10:13.46 | directhex|work | chugga, packages from sid will kill woody dead, though |
| 10:13.51 | yaboo | tarzeau, getting this error sox: Can't open input file 'plug:dmix': No such file or directory |
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| 10:14.37 | tarzeau | yaboo: you've finished installing debian on your o2 already? |
| 10:14.41 | paulswm | oliM: Those pins are quite rare, heh |
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| 10:14.51 | directhex|work | hold on... |
| 10:14.51 | oliM | heh |
| 10:14.56 | directhex|work | yaboo, which version fo debian is this? |
| 10:15.03 | yaboo | tarzeau, sitting on the floor currently |
| 10:15.05 | chugga | how do i tell dpkg about something? |
| 10:15.09 | oliM | only found at the wee hours of the morning |
| 10:15.12 | yaboo | directhex|work, debian unstable, current |
| 10:15.16 | oliM | after a night of no sleep |
| 10:15.19 | poptix | wow, this is nicer |
| 10:15.20 | cef | err.. that's annoying.. badblocks isn't on the installer images anymore |
| 10:15.24 | yaboo | running on a fujitsu P7010 laptop |
| 10:15.30 | poptix | manually installing .deb with ar -x and tar |
| 10:15.47 | directhex|work | poptix, want a cookie? |
| 10:15.52 | directhex|work | poptix, isn't ar wasted space? |
| 10:16.00 | poptix | directhex|work: no, just glad i don't have to deal with apt/debconf/dpkg anymore =) |
| 10:16.14 | poptix | directhex|work: i'm extracting on another box and scp'ing |
| 10:16.17 | chugga | am i even allowed to tell dpkg anything? :s |
| 10:16.22 | directhex|work | poptix, yeah. those damned package managers. tell us again why you're not using slackware for this? |
| 10:16.36 | directhex|work | chugga, !foo is bar |
| 10:16.39 | jm_ | chugga: only if it's not crap |
| 10:16.43 | poptix | directhex|work: because i don't have a build environment setup for this |
| 10:16.44 | chugga | jm ok |
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| 10:17.28 | directhex|work | poptix, well it doesn't have nasty things like package management or configuration, it might be more your style. have you cleared up /etc yet, from things like /etc/alternatives ? |
| 10:18.05 | chugga | !rarewares is a collection of non-free and free multimedia packages for Sid/Unstable. It includes codecs, players and other utilities. Find it at http://www.rarewares.org/debian.html |
| 10:18.06 | dpkg | ...but rarewares is already something else... |
| 10:18.13 | chugga | oh ;=/ |
| 10:18.19 | poptix | directhex|work: yes |
| 10:18.27 | poptix | directhex|work: i appreciate a good package manager |
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| 10:18.33 | poptix | debian just doesn't have one. |
| 10:18.38 | poptix | no offense |
| 10:18.45 | directhex|work | poptix, you'd prefer RPM? |
| 10:18.53 | poptix | apt-get is a nice package grabber though |
| 10:18.55 | cef | anyone recommend a way to test a disk using d-i images? |
| 10:19.02 | poptix | directhex|work: not necessarily. |
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| 10:19.42 | jethro | hi everybody |
| 10:20.39 | poptix | directhex|work: but, at least RPM keeps md5sums, can verify installed packages, and won't overwrite config files |
| 10:20.52 | poptix | it's still not a cure-all |
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| 10:21.22 | fatal_ | poptix: and which of those can't debian do? |
| 10:21.37 | poptix | fatal_: what's the equivalent of rpm -qa --verify on debian? |
| 10:21.59 | poptix | q = query, a = all, --verify = show files whose md5sums do not match the original when installed |
| 10:22.00 | directhex|work | poptix, does it matter? you removed dpkg |
| 10:22.00 | jm_ | debsums will help with some of that |
| 10:22.11 | jethro | LOL |
| 10:22.22 | poptix | directhex|work: i'm talking about desktop/server use, not my embedded device |
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| 10:22.36 | jethro | candidate for the qotd >> 11:18:29 poptix | directhex|work: i appreciate a good package manager || 11:18:35 poptix | debian just doesn't have one. |
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| 10:23.07 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java |
| 10:23.14 | directhex|work | !info debsums |
| 10:23.14 | jethro | chugga: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> might help |
| 10:23.16 | dpkg | debsums: (Verify installed package files against MD5 checksums.), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.15 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 10:23.30 | jethro | poptix: you're a troll |
| 10:23.40 | paulswm | Or a poser |
| 10:23.49 | jethro | heya paulswm |
| 10:24.03 | paulswm | Hi jethro! |
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| 10:24.27 | Nermal | hi :) what's the point of haivng "v" packages in apt ? |
| 10:24.34 | Nermal | ie: packages that appear but are not installable ? |
| 10:24.44 | chugga | why do docs or other things get compressed ? |
| 10:24.51 | jethro | chugga: to save hdd space? |
| 10:24.57 | drac | chugga: use zcat or bzcat |
| 10:25.02 | directhex|work | or zless |
| 10:25.04 | directhex|work | or lynx |
| 10:25.05 | poptix | jethro: no, i'm really not. |
| 10:25.07 | jethro | or vim |
| 10:25.08 | takatumi | chugga: it's easy to read it in .gz too, use zless |
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| 10:25.23 | chugga | cool, didnt know that |
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| 10:25.27 | poptix | jethro: my common sense just conflicts with debian, so I come here to ask the occasional question. |
| 10:25.30 | jethro | poptix: well you sound like you are, join #debian and claim debian has a b0rked package manager while everyone would say the opposite |
| 10:25.31 | takatumi | or emacs dired-mode |
| 10:25.47 | jethro | poptix: that's what I call being a troll |
| 10:25.59 | poptix | jethro: a majority of debian users have no direct interation with debians package manager |
| 10:26.02 | directhex|work | poptix, so far your common sense has said that configuring packages is worthless. not everyone will agree with that |
| 10:26.08 | paulswm | The package manager is prolly the single best thing about debian |
| 10:26.22 | Nermal | jethro, that's what I call feeding one |
| 10:26.23 | jethro | poptix: we don't share the same opinion on "majority" |
| 10:26.28 | poptix | most people seem to think that apt = package manager |
| 10:26.39 | PerfDave | paulswm: No, the QA is the best single thing about Debian. Other distros have the same package manager and are less good ;) |
| 10:26.50 | jethro | Nermal: nice, want a medal? |
| 10:26.55 | cef | grr damn it, why did they have to take badblocks out of the d-i images? *sigh* |
| 10:26.57 | Nermal | currently I'm thinking of apt as a pain in the ass :) |
| 10:27.00 | paulswm | PerfDave: Well, I meant technically, I totally agree with you about QA |
| 10:27.05 | Nermal | jethro, not _another_ |
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| 10:27.18 | Nermal | jethro, PHP5 would be nice :) |
| 10:28.01 | ZyX | what should /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10defaultrelease APT::Default-Release say, 'testing' or 'sarge' ? |
| 10:28.16 | jm_ | Sarge, to avoid surprises |
| 10:28.18 | PerfDave | ZyX: Depends on whehter you want to track testing or sarge. |
| 10:28.35 | PerfDave | ZyX: Do you want to automatically jump to Etch when Sarge goes stable, or stick with Sarge after it's gone stable? |
| 10:28.37 | ZyX | i wanna have sarge if it becomes stable.. |
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| 10:29.01 | ZyX | i'm just trying to find out why my apt-get upgrade doesnt work any longer.. |
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| 10:29.11 | directhex|work | ZyX, and your apt-get update? |
| 10:29.13 | SlayerXP | if you don't see thew point of debian's package management system then the largest number of linux computers you have ever looked after is 1 (one) |
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| 10:29.19 | ZyX | update works. |
| 10:29.35 | ZyX | upgrade says nothing to be done, for days |
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| 10:29.52 | SlayerXP | ZyX: be happy, your install is up to dfate |
| 10:29.58 | SlayerXP | or your local debian mirror is screwed |
| 10:30.10 | cef | either that, or where you are getting packages has stalled |
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| 10:30.31 | ZyX | SlayerXP, on another sarge machine i get updates daily.. |
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| 10:30.51 | PerfDave | ZyX: From the same mirror? |
| 10:31.07 | chugga | i cant see it in the docs - but if someone here runs an icecast server - do you run it as user or root? |
| 10:31.11 | ZyX | no, updates server by provider (1und1) .. i'll try the official one |
| 10:31.19 | spo0nman | how do i figure out if my video card supports GL? |
| 10:31.30 | directhex|work | spo0nman, what is the card? |
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| 10:31.52 | streuner | ZyX: where do you think they get thoses packages from? |
| 10:31.54 | spo0nman | directhex|work: lspci says VIA Technologies unknown device (3108) |
| 10:32.08 | Jorge_ | how can i live a message to some user when he log in in a remote host...? in the console ... or selll |
| 10:32.09 | directhex|work | spo0nman, which version of debian? |
| 10:32.10 | Jorge_ | shell |
| 10:32.14 | spo0nman | sid |
| 10:32.17 | Jorge_ | like a memo |
| 10:32.26 | ZyX | streuner, i dont trust them.. but the lan-traffic is free so i'd like to use their mirror |
| 10:32.43 | quitte | spo0nman: epia maybe? |
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| 10:32.49 | directhex|work | spo0nman, recent system? |
| 10:32.53 | ZyX | is there any automatic way to find out if a mirror is up to date? |
| 10:32.56 | streuner | ZyX: Lan-traffic? |
| 10:33.28 | ZyX | streuner, i dont have to pay for traffic from my root server to the update server |
| 10:33.34 | spo0nman | directhex|work: yeat its a new *acer* lappie just came out... |
| 10:33.41 | drac | spo0nman: Via Unichrome S3 VGA would be your card. |
| 10:33.49 | directhex|work | sounds like *chrome |
| 10:34.05 | spo0nman | drac: how to make sure? |
| 10:34.11 | streuner | ZyX: ic, what you described before sounds rather that you have sarge installed on the other box and sid one the second. |
| 10:34.22 | streuner | s/one/on/ |
| 10:34.25 | drac | spo0nman: http://www.pcidatabase.com/reports.php?type=tab-delimeted and search the page for 3108 |
| 10:34.26 | directhex|work | spo0nman, look at the box, see what the box says you have? |
| 10:34.31 | drac | spo0nman: google is nice. |
| 10:34.34 | quitte | spo0nman: take it apart and look at the chips inside |
| 10:34.39 | spo0nman | btw, everything things on the box right rom ide bus to usb thingys all are via |
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| 10:35.03 | chugga | where is the default place for storing global program config files? |
| 10:35.10 | ZyX | streuner, is there a way to find out? apt-show-versions|grep unstable returns nothing.. but it says that many versions are newer than that in archive |
| 10:35.16 | directhex|work | chugga, /etc. beyond that, it's app specific |
| 10:35.24 | chugga | diret, ok |
| 10:35.27 | streuner | ZyX: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 10:35.50 | directhex|work | spo0nman, there's a 40mb download from viaarena.com claiming to be unichrome drivers. i'm checking for libGL.so in there |
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| 10:35.55 | Madeye | Hi, I have some apps in my session auto start program, now how can I assign each application to virual desktop automaticly when its run, |
| 10:35.59 | spo0nman | darc: sounds like it... everything on the box is some Via Northbridge k8 or something |
| 10:36.10 | drac | spo0nman: yep, it must be it. |
| 10:36.10 | mixter | hi! i'd like to change the settings for post_max_size in php.ini so that i could upload larger files to my homepage, is it possible to change this directive for a single directory and not for the entire server? |
| 10:36.11 | ZyX | streuner, that had the unstable sources in there by default and i only saw it too late.. so i'm not sure what's on atm |
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| 10:36.21 | directhex|work | spo0nman, amd64? |
| 10:36.31 | streuner | ZyX: guess |
| 10:36.31 | spo0nman | directhex|work: semprron :( |
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| 10:36.51 | ZyX | streuner, ? |
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| 10:37.02 | spo0nman | they aint coming on lappies just asyet in my part of the world.. |
| 10:37.05 | directhex|work | spo0nman, any idea what the north or southbridge are? |
| 10:37.07 | streuner | ZyX: as i said before, that sounds like sid |
| 10:37.20 | directhex|work | spo0nman, e.g. K8M800 |
| 10:37.32 | ZyX | streuner, but shouldnt there be unstable entrys in apt-show-versions? |
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| 10:38.04 | ambycrao | I know this is will sound stupid, but are the kernel source installed when a debian installation is complete, and if where is it (make install complains: cound not locate kernel source)? |
| 10:38.07 | streuner | ZyX: no idea, i used to find those issues via dpkg -l libc6 or sources.list |
| 10:38.24 | directhex|work | ambycrao, you need to install kernel source separately |
| 10:38.26 | streuner | ZyX: out* |
| 10:38.35 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Ok |
| 10:38.39 | directhex|work | ambycrao, apt-get install kernel-source-2.x.y |
| 10:38.41 | PerfDave | ambycrao: What are you trying to install? |
| 10:38.50 | ZyX | libc6: 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
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| 10:39.11 | spo0nman | directhex|work: Northbridge: Chipset ( generally Intel or VIA ) that is responsible for the CPU interface, AGP, PCI and memory. The Northbridge gets its name for being North of the PCI BUS. |
| 10:39.11 | ambycrao | programs from tar.gz files |
| 10:39.12 | bobesponja | is there a good documentation to make udev mount automatically all my medias? |
| 10:39.20 | PerfDave | ambycrao: What programs? |
| 10:39.22 | streuner | ZyX: yeah, that sucks nowadays, because sid and sarge have both the same |
| 10:39.35 | bob2 | bobesponja: udev doesn't do that |
| 10:39.42 | bob2 | gnome-volume-manager does |
| 10:39.45 | bobesponja | i have 2.6.10 and udev does create all my dev nodes on boot but nothing more |
| 10:39.48 | Jorge_ | how can i live a message to some user when he log in in a remote host...? in the console ... or selll |
| 10:39.50 | Jorge_ | shell |
| 10:39.51 | Jorge_ | like a memo |
| 10:39.58 | directhex|work | spo0nman, i sorta meant which specific northbridge your laptop has. i know what it means. |
| 10:40.02 | bobesponja | bob2 what can do that? |
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| 10:40.09 | bob2 | 20:39:42 bob2 | gnome-volume-manager does |
| 10:40.15 | paulswm | bobesponja: That's all udev is supposed to do |
| 10:40.19 | spo0nman | <directhex|work> spo0nman, any idea what the north or southbridge are? |
| 10:40.42 | bobesponja | bob2 i thought udev had something to do with it |
| 10:40.45 | paulswm | bobesponja: If you want stuff mounted on boot, you'd put it in /etc/fstab of course |
| 10:40.56 | directhex|work | spo0nman, feel free to be a smartarse then. i'll be somewhere else. tata. |
| 10:41.00 | bob2 | bobesponja: yes, but only indirectly |
| 10:41.01 | spo0nman | directhex|work: the chipset is either on the north or south of the PCI bus. |
| 10:41.06 | ZyX | streuner, i'm gonna check some more versions of base packs |
| 10:41.22 | ambycrao | PerfDave: drivers for a network card |
| 10:41.27 | PerfDave | ambycrao: Which network card? |
| 10:41.29 | kneet | apt-get - removing xfree86-common (xclients on a server that shouldn't have them). I get exit error status 128 - if I try again it gives error 20 - both are from post-removal script - where are these error codes defined? |
| 10:41.34 | spo0nman | directhex|work: i thought you wanted to know... hey! i didnt knoe it, untill i googled... |
| 10:41.39 | PerfDave | Jesus, this is like getting fucking blood from a stone. |
| 10:41.42 | bobesponja | paulswm yes that's what I do but i'm thinking about mounting my usb stuff on the fly when I plug them after booting |
| 10:41.54 | bob2 | bobesponja: yes, that's what g-v-m does |
| 10:41.55 | spo0nman | directhex|work: not being smartpants. promise. |
| 10:42.01 | streuner | ZyX: it only important what stand in sources.list |
| 10:42.10 | ambycrao | PerfDave: Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop RJ45 |
| 10:42.11 | streuner | ZyX: s/it/it's/ |
| 10:42.12 | bobesponja | bob2 i use kde |
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| 10:42.24 | paulswm | PerfDave: Like the old show Twenty Questions |
| 10:42.26 | bob2 | bobesponja: then #kde might know something |
| 10:42.28 | JavaGuy | how can I force SCP to also copy .htaccess files ? |
| 10:42.33 | bobesponja | i know there's some HAL involved too which is installed |
| 10:42.35 | spo0nman | directhex|work: its K8 Northbridge. |
| 10:42.35 | PerfDave | ambycrao: Oh, that's one of the crappy Intel gig-E cards that has non-Free drivers? |
| 10:42.39 | bob2 | JavaGuy: scp doesn't care |
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| 10:42.42 | bob2 | JavaGuy: your glob is wrong |
| 10:42.49 | JavaGuy | bob2 ? |
| 10:42.51 | bob2 | JavaGuy: scp -r /blah/ blah@blah:/blah/ |
| 10:43.03 | directhex|work | spo0nman, ask again when you can identify something from http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=5&ArticleID=68&P=5 |
| 10:43.05 | ZyX | streuner, is "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main non-free contrib" correct? |
| 10:43.18 | directhex|work | spo0nman, though you will only get drivers for CLE266 as far as i can tell |
| 10:43.18 | bobesponja | bob2 kde does use something simillar to gnome (udev+hall etc) but they told me it has to be configured rightly in order to be used by kde |
| 10:43.19 | streuner | ZyX: and on the other box? |
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| 10:43.37 | ZyX | streuner, on my home machine.. on the server its "#deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security sarge/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 10:43.38 | streuner | ZyX: that wouldn't make any sense, btw |
| 10:43.54 | bob2 | bobesponja: I'd be pretty certain the problem is with KDE if it's not working |
| 10:43.55 | ZyX | which is the correct? |
| 10:43.56 | PerfDave | Hmm, looks like the Intel drivers that ambycrao needs aren't packaged for Debian and module-assistant yet :( |
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| 10:44.02 | streuner | ZyX: there aren't any security patches for sarge right now |
| 10:44.02 | JavaGuy | bob2: but my dir on my local machine is not identically named on remote machine |
| 10:44.05 | bob2 | there's nothing to configure after you have udev and hal |
| 10:44.13 | bob2 | JavaGuy: then adjust the names you pass to scp |
| 10:44.20 | directhex|work | PerfDave, e1000? it's been in the kernel since... well knowing woody, 2.4.19 is a good bet |
| 10:44.30 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 10:44.30 | streuner | ZyX: only when sarge is stable it makes sense to have those lines... |
| 10:44.40 | JavaGuy | bob2: so I use on local machine in dir "mydir" : scp * blah@remote.com:/tmp |
| 10:44.42 | bob2 | if you want e1000 just get a modern kernel |
| 10:44.48 | bob2 | JavaGuy: no |
| 10:44.51 | bob2 | JavaGuy: do you know what * does? |
| 10:44.52 | ZyX | streuner, so i replace sarge with testing? |
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| 10:44.54 | PerfDave | directhex|work: The MT thing is a gig-E card IIRC. I'm trying to work out why ambycrao is compiling network drivers by hand from a tarball. |
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| 10:45.00 | JavaGuy | bob2: nope :) |
| 10:45.04 | spo0nman | directhex|work: K8T800 thats it.. |
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| 10:45.10 | sml | ciao people! :) |
| 10:45.12 | bob2 | JavaGuy: then don't use it |
| 10:45.16 | ZyX | streuner, what about the path after the hostname? |
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| 10:45.21 | streuner | ZyX: comment the lines with 'security' |
| 10:45.22 | JavaGuy | bob2: i thought : "all files" |
| 10:45.25 | bob2 | JavaGuy: scp -r /dir/ blah@remote.com:/tmp |
| 10:45.32 | bob2 | JavaGuy: all files except those that start with . |
| 10:45.33 | JavaGuy | bob2: ok, thx |
| 10:45.39 | directhex|work | spo0nman, then no, no opengl under linux for you. complain to acer, via, whoever |
| 10:45.40 | bob2 | JavaGuy: you could do scp .* * blah@host:/tmp |
| 10:45.52 | JavaGuy | bob2: aha |
| 10:45.58 | streuner | ZyX: testing would be a bad idea, if you wanna use that for a server |
| 10:46.09 | bob2 | yeah |
| 10:46.17 | bob2 | lucky I didn't say to use -r |
| 10:46.20 | ZyX | streuner, could you do me a favour and post your sources.list to www.phpaste.com (just one click) |
| 10:46.25 | streuner | ZyX: soon or later you would switch to 'etch' |
| 10:46.25 | directhex|work | streuner, WHY comment the security lines? it doesn't hurt to have them there, even if the server's not providing packages yet |
| 10:46.26 | bob2 | also I can't reach google, suck |
| 10:46.32 | spo0nman | directhex|work: Grr.. these buggers sold a box with only a kernel on it... said you can cdownload the "Linux OS" online.. looked through acer site no drivers no "linux OS" |
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| 10:46.59 | directhex|work | spo0nman, well, no 3d. 2d works with the vesa driver |
| 10:47.02 | streuner | ZyX: no - just run 'apt-setup' - thats enough |
| 10:47.19 | streuner | directhex|work: true |
| 10:47.41 | spo0nman | directhex|work: hmm, the problem is when I run a dvd i cant run is fullscreen without framedrop... is this due to no driver? |
| 10:47.45 | ZyX | streuner, command not found.. |
| 10:48.00 | streuner | oh :-) |
| 10:48.25 | eusto | hello, i need some help: i get "[fglrx:firegl_unlock] *ERROR* " from dmesg and i have no 3d acceleration... |
| 10:48.29 | directhex|work | spo0nman, yes. |
| 10:48.41 | directhex|work | eusto, #ati, or buy a bloody nvidia next time |
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| 10:48.53 | noid2 | i compiled and installed a new perl how can i get apt-get to use it |
| 10:49.08 | PerfDave | noid2: How did you compile and install it? |
| 10:49.23 | streuner | ZyX: install base-config |
| 10:49.24 | noid2 | PerfDave: make install ? |
| 10:49.34 | PerfDave | noid2: Into /usr/local? |
| 10:49.35 | eusto | directhex|work, haha you're right about nvidia and sorry about the question, didn't know there was an #ati |
| 10:49.46 | directhex|work | eusto, misery loves company |
| 10:49.51 | spo0nman | directhex|work: http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/chipsets/southbridge/vt8237/ this is the chipset |
| 10:50.15 | eusto | directhex|work, not really a metallica fan but i'll give it a shot |
| 10:50.22 | noid2 | PerfDave: where does it go by default ? |
| 10:50.24 | takatumi | eusto: tried the link here? /msg dpkg ati |
| 10:50.50 | directhex|work | spo0nman, and if you look on viaarena.com, you'll see they offer only CLE266 unichrome drivers, or older |
| 10:51.01 | spo0nman | directhex|work: :( |
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| 10:51.32 | ambycrao | PerfDave: here is the driver i think: http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Detail_Desc.asp?agr=Y&Inst=Yes&ProductID=871&DwnldID=2897 |
| 10:51.33 | directhex|work | noid2, into places that will cause massive system breakage for you, i suspect |
| 10:51.35 | sml | is there a way of making ssh "keep a connection live" ? like by sending some "ping" type packet to the sshd machine ? |
| 10:51.49 | directhex|work | ambycrao, what kernel are you running? uname -r |
| 10:51.56 | PerfDave | noid2: I have no idea, I don't hand-compile Perl. |
| 10:52.17 | PerfDave | noid2: If you didn't compile it into /usr/local, you've just fucked your system hard. |
| 10:52.18 | noid2 | directhex|work:massive system breakage has already happened |
| 10:52.19 | spo0nman | directhex|work: yeah! this chipset is not on the list... shall i complain? |
| 10:52.29 | directhex|work | spo0nman, if you like. they'll ignore you. |
| 10:52.34 | ambycrao | directhex|work: 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 10:52.42 | directhex|work | ambycrao, install a real kernel. |
| 10:52.45 | directhex|work | !bf |
| 10:52.45 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 10:52.48 | directhex|work | hm. |
| 10:52.51 | directhex|work | !real kernel |
| 10:52.51 | dpkg | real kernel is probably The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
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| 10:52.59 | noid2 | PerfDave: i dont like the sounds of that :( |
| 10:53.08 | spo0nman | directhex|work: i ment to the xf86 people :D |
| 10:53.21 | spo0nman | they'll probably kick me.. i guess |
| 10:53.23 | directhex|work | spo0nman, they'll tell you to fuck right off and moan at via for not opening their specs |
| 10:53.38 | ZyX | thats the default sources.list the provider put on the server: http://phpaste.com/2646 .. in my eyes, full of inconsistences |
| 10:53.42 | paulswm | sml: man ssh_config, TCPKeepAlive I think |
| 10:53.47 | noid2 | PerfDave: what is the fucked your system hard mean ? can u list a few things ? |
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| 10:54.14 | PerfDave | noid2: First thing would be to find out where the version of Perl you hand-compiled went. If it went into /usr/local you might be OK, if not then you'll need to hand-download the correct Perl .deb for your version of Debian, "make uninstall" your hand-compiled perl, and dpkg --install the .deb |
| 10:54.15 | ambycrao | directhex|work: ? thats what uname -r says |
| 10:54.16 | paulswm | sml: well that manpage anyway, maybe not that parameter |
| 10:54.45 | directhex|work | ambycrao, yes, no shit. please scroll up, and read what dpkg saiys about 'real kernels' |
| 10:54.52 | PerfDave | noid2: You have possibly just overwritten half of Debian's perl with your own version. Half the binaries and libaries will be from one version and half from another. This is Not Good, since apt depends on a working perl. |
| 10:54.55 | noid2 | PerfDave: it wen into /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.6 |
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| 10:55.05 | PerfDave | noid2: In that case, you should be OK. |
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| 10:55.10 | directhex|work | ambycrao, or compile a modern kernel as you were told a considerable time ago |
| 10:55.12 | streuner | ZyX: well, that's sid then, IIRC |
| 10:55.28 | PerfDave | noid2: Which version of Debian are you running? Why did you hand-install a new Perl? |
| 10:55.55 | ZyX | streuner, so they sell a root-server for production use based on unstable. well done 1und1! |
| 10:56.22 | directhex|work | !info perl |
| 10:56.28 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.4-6 (sid), Packaged size: 3162 kB, Installed size: 11052 kB |
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| 10:56.46 | streuner | ZyX: i dunno how to use multiple sources lines in sources.list - might be an issue for pinning or you can configure it... |
| 10:56.56 | noid2 | PerfDave: woody but ...i had a little mishap last night ..i deleted /usr/share ..and after this apt-get stoped working so ...i made a copy of my /usr/share of another system but apt-get still copmlained about perl so then i figured maybe i should hand compile it |
| 10:57.05 | ambycrao | directhex|work: I use to run "bf24" during the installation, guess I just should enter then, and upgrade the kernel later? |
| 10:57.07 | noid2 | PerfDave: was this not a good idea ? |
| 10:57.16 | paulswm | Not a good idea |
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| 10:57.38 | ambycrao | directhex|work: But the standard installation install kernel 2.2 |
| 10:57.39 | sml | paulswm: thanks man :) |
| 10:57.55 | paulswm | sml: You are most welcome :) |
| 10:57.57 | PerfDave | noid2: Hang on a second. |
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| 10:58.33 | directhex|work | ambycrao, ambycrao debian woody (3.0) offers two main kernels for installation. these are extremely cut down, in order to fit onto floppy disks. you can have a cut-down 2.2.20 or a cut-down 2.4.18. notice, these are cut down. if you want the FULL kernels, you need to apt-get install them AFTER installing |
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| 10:58.58 | directhex|work | ambycrao, or, if the full 2.2.20/2.4.18 still don't support your hardware, you need to compile a recent (2.4.29) kernel by hand |
| 10:59.05 | tub | i got 2.6.10 running well, thanks. now I'm wondering how I can install display driver for ati radeon because it is a .rpm package |
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| 10:59.17 | directhex|work | !ati drivers |
| 10:59.17 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 10:59.25 | directhex|work | tub, good luck, you're severely fucked |
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| 11:00.03 | PerfDave | noid2: Your Perl installation keeps its core modules in /usr/share, if you've deleted /usr/share you've deleted those modules. |
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| 11:00.23 | tub | directhex|work: hmm.. |
| 11:01.00 | noid2 | PerfDave: ok ... so how do i go about telling apt that there is a fresh new set of modules from my new hand compile |
| 11:01.10 | PerfDave | noid2: You don't want to do that. |
| 11:01.18 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Thats on time to hear this |
| 11:01.21 | PerfDave | noid2: Because your new perl has different versions. |
| 11:01.25 | ambycrao | directhex|work: =) |
| 11:01.38 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Didn't have a clue actually |
| 11:01.45 | noid2 | PerfDave: so how do i go about resolving this little escapade of mine |
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| 11:02.25 | js_ | whats the best thing to use for filesystem encryption with kernel 2.4? |
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| 11:02.35 | PerfDave | noid2: do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l \*perl\* | grep ^i" to find out which Perl packages and versions you have installed. Hand-download those versions of those packages from http://packages.debian.org/ and install them using "dpkg --install" |
| 11:02.49 | jethro | ~wtf ffs |
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| 11:03.59 | PerfDave | Does anybody have recommendations for multi-port copper gig-e network cards with Free linux drivers? |
| 11:04.11 | drac | ok, this might be wrong place to ask, but i'm not getting anykind of answer anywhere else. i'm using debian, but i'm using also x.org 6.8.1 compiled into /usr/local, and i've just compiled new 6.8.2. anyidea can i just overwrite old one with 'make install' or should i somehow remove old one first? |
| 11:04.52 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Why can't I find kernel-source-2.6.x from apt-cache search? |
| 11:05.01 | jm_ | js_: probably loop-aes |
| 11:05.17 | js_ | jm_: ok |
| 11:05.55 | ZyX | how comes upgrade wants to install unstable packages though i have APT::Default-Release "testing"; ??? |
| 11:06.25 | directhex|work | ambycrao, you're on woody. you won't find anything from after mid 2002. this is a server, right? |
| 11:06.36 | PerfDave | ZyX: Because you already have unstable packages installed and it's trying to upgrade them? |
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| 11:06.42 | directhex|work | PerfDave, the onboard gige on my htpc seems to work. |
| 11:06.47 | PerfDave | directhex|work: #xorg |
| 11:07.15 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Ok |
| 11:07.26 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 11:07.28 | PerfDave | drac: #xorg |
| 11:07.30 | ZyX | PerfDave, that might indeed be.. so whats the best way now.. keep a mixed system or remove the sid ones and install them sarge? |
| 11:07.46 | PerfDave | ZyX: Reinstall with Sarge woudl be your best bet, IMNSHO. |
| 11:07.58 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Should i install kernel 2.2 or 2.4 later on when i reinstall Debian Woody 3.0? |
| 11:08.27 | ZyX | PerfDave, apt-get --reinstall <packname> ? |
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| 11:08.41 | directhex|work | ambycrao, 2.4, if you're fixated on woody. again, is this a server? |
| 11:09.01 | ambycrao | directhex|work: No its not |
| 11:09.10 | jae | anyone hear me? |
| 11:09.14 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Why? I will bring up Debian servers later |
| 11:09.21 | PerfDave | ZyX: No, reinstall your entire system. |
| 11:09.27 | jethro | jae: no but we can read you |
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| 11:09.36 | directhex|work | ambycrao, because woody is a fucking stupid choice for a desktop, that's why |
| 11:09.49 | ZyX | PerfDave, impossible, its already up and running |
| 11:09.49 | jae | jethro, *g* okay, at least X-Chat still works |
| 11:09.56 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Unless you want security updates for your desktop :) |
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| 11:10.00 | jae | so it must be funcom's IRC server |
| 11:10.00 | directhex|work | !tell ambycrao about woody hardware support |
| 11:10.00 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Ok, what should i use for Desktop then? |
| 11:10.05 | directhex|work | !tell ambycrao about woody desktop |
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| 11:10.12 | directhex|work | !tell ambycrao about d-i ambycrao |
| 11:10.14 | PerfDave | ZyX: So? Why can't you reinstall with a non-fucked system? Downgrading isn't really possible. |
| 11:10.48 | directhex|work | PerfDave, your desktop shouldn't be exposed enough to the net for it to matter so much |
| 11:10.58 | PerfDave | directhex|work: "shouldn't" ;) |
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| 11:11.20 | ZyX | PerfDave, the sid packages are: "apache2-utils console-data debianutils kernel-package libapr0 libzzip-0-12" i dont think its worth it.. |
| 11:11.28 | js_ | jm_: so i need to patch my kernel in order to use loop-aes? |
| 11:11.38 | directhex|work | PerfDave, if it is, you're not much better off runnign woody since you obviously can't admin a system |
| 11:11.40 | PerfDave | ZyX: How do you know those are the only sid packages? |
| 11:12.00 | noid2 | is it possible to reinstall debian through ssh ? |
| 11:12.21 | bob2 | no |
| 11:12.22 | PerfDave | noid2: Through SSH to what? |
| 11:12.25 | bob2 | = depends |
| 11:12.31 | jm_ | js_: more or less |
| 11:12.38 | PerfDave | noid2: You could maybe create a new partition, debootstrap into it, and use that as a new install. |
| 11:12.47 | ZyX | PerfDave, apt-get upgrade wants to update those.. but another question, why doesnt apt-show-versions show me 'unstable' entries? |
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| 11:13.08 | manas | anyone here has used uisp? |
| 11:13.11 | PerfDave | ZyX: No idea, I've never used apt-show-versions. |
| 11:13.23 | merlincorey | !anyone use |
| 11:13.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:13.27 | noid2 | PerfDave: theonly reason i ask is this is provind to be ver dificult to restore ....i dont have physical access to the machine... |
| 11:13.28 | PerfDave | ZyX: Isn't this because your ISP has some fucked-up local package cache which mixes versions? |
| 11:13.29 | JavaGuy | bob2: seems that now the copy via SCP works fine but when I now use the rsync, it creates a whole new directory while I only want to copy the files in that dir. command is rsync -e "ssh -oProtocol=1 -i /home/identity" -rlptzP --delete /home/upload629/ myuser@remote.com:/home/www//629/ |
| 11:13.43 | bob2 | JavaGuy: yes, you need to read the rsync man page |
| 11:13.43 | PerfDave | noid2: What's very difficult to restore? |
| 11:13.50 | bob2 | and then drop the / from the end of the source argument |
| 11:13.54 | cafuego | muahaha! |
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| 11:14.04 | bob2 | fucking hell |
| 11:14.09 | bob2 | how could everything but http work |
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| 11:14.13 | bob2 | I want to order my damn cds |
| 11:14.18 | ambycrao | directhex|work: So should I just stick with Sarge then, or do you mean that a complete other distro is a better choice for desktop? |
| 11:14.18 | ZyX | PerfDave, the sources.list is a little strang, but when i remove the unstable entries it sould be fine |
| 11:14.21 | paulswm | Hi cafuego |
| 11:14.30 | hippo | hi, which (from the dozen) dhcp client is preferred for cablenet in woody? |
| 11:14.39 | sussudio | cablenet? |
| 11:15.11 | hippo | usual eth card+cable modem |
| 11:15.33 | noid2 | PerfDave: apt-get for one ...and about everything else that was /usr/share related |
| 11:15.45 | manas | I have been trying to program an AT90S8515 with UISP that came with a sarge snapshot taken 20041225. I am using the cable stk200, but I am unable to upload intel hex files to the device. It keeps giving me flash byte error at address 0x0b or 0x00? Help! Any other channel where I can ask? |
| 11:16.12 | ZyX | PerfDave, do you know a efficient way to find out which packages are sid without having to rely on sources.list ? |
| 11:16.16 | directhex|work | ambycrao, use sarge on your desktop machine. it has post-janyaru-2002 hardware support, and modern packages |
| 11:16.24 | PerfDave | noid2: I've told you what you need to do to fix your system. |
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| 11:16.49 | noid2 | PerfDave: i checked the deb packages link ...it seems they only have the new verions |
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| 11:16.52 | PerfDave | ZyX: "which packages are sid" depending on whom? Your Debian mirror is fucked. |
| 11:17.08 | PerfDave | !info perl woody |
| 11:17.11 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language.), section interpreters, is standard. Version: 5.6.1-8.7 (woody), Packaged size: 1132 kB, Installed size: 4236 kB |
| 11:17.17 | ZyX | PerfDave, ok ill try another mirror first. |
| 11:17.31 | manas | !info uisp sarge |
| 11:17.37 | dpkg | uisp: (Micro In-System Programmer for Atmel's AVR MCUs), section electronics, is extra. Version: 20040311-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
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| 11:18.21 | JavaGuy | bob2: hmm - when I remove the '/' from the source in my rsync, it copies that dir but doesn't even rename it |
| 11:18.24 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Ok, but why is it not listed in this mirror: http://non-us.cdimage.debian.org/jigdo-area/3.0_r4-cd/jigdo/ |
| 11:18.34 | rixth | Where is the default resolution stored/how can I change it? |
| 11:18.40 | PerfDave | Hmm, does dpkg check security.debian.org for updates? Perl in woody is 5.6.1-8.8 |
| 11:18.51 | bob2 | don't think it does |
| 11:18.58 | PerfDave | bob2: Hmm, that should be patched |
| 11:18.59 | rixth | I'm using the Nvidia drivers, now, when I start up, my screen is in 1280*1024 |
| 11:19.16 | bob2 | PerfDave: iirc dondelelcaro was waiting for someone to care enough to send a patch ;) |
| 11:19.26 | PerfDave | noid2: The Woody versions of your packages will be fine. Install the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/stable/interpreters/perl for starters. |
| 11:19.38 | PerfDave | rixth: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 11:20.04 | paulswm | hippo, take your pick, the main thing is prolly whether you want to do IPV6 networking. I personally use dhcpcd. |
| 11:20.14 | rixth | The tutorial that dpkg gives you, not the offical Nvidia ones |
| 11:20.15 | PerfDave | rixth: Assuming you haven't done something like run nVidia's installer script, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 11:20.44 | paulswm | hippo: Sorry, I'm running sarge don't know what's available in woody |
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| 11:20.46 | rixth | !tell PerfDave nvidia-installer |
| 11:20.48 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Still there? |
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| 11:21.26 | rixth | I can't find it in XF86Config-4 |
| 11:21.38 | PerfDave | rixth: Good. Then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should be fine. |
| 11:21.43 | noid2 | PerfDave: how do you install from http://packages.debian.org/stable/interpreters/perl ..sorry i dont understand how ... which file to download ? |
| 11:22.03 | PerfDave | noid2: See where it says "Download perl"? Right there. |
| 11:22.10 | paulswm | Heh |
| 11:22.15 | hippo | paulswm: thank you, in potato pump was the preferred one, but now dpkg sais dhcp3-client is preferred to dhcp-client |
| 11:22.39 | hippo | paulswm: but why would I need a server? |
| 11:22.55 | rixth | Why thank you :) |
| 11:23.00 | noid2 | PerfDave: holly fuck im dumb ...sorry didnt see the i386 |
| 11:23.39 | noid2 | PerfDave: thanks for the patience to answer my question...much apreciated |
| 11:23.47 | PerfDave | noid2: No worries. |
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| 11:23.53 | paulswm | hippo: I don't see why you should |
| 11:24.10 | directhex|work | ambycrao, huh? |
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| 11:24.15 | rixth | PerfDave: no go |
| 11:24.20 | ZyX | PerfDave, i just made a fresh sources.list with the official sarge sources, but he still doesnt want to install anything.. and apt-show-versions says that 67 packs are 'newer than version in archive' -> so they are sid, right? |
| 11:24.22 | hippo | paulswm: ok (you told me about _dhcpd_) |
| 11:24.22 | PerfDave | rixth: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 11:24.31 | PerfDave | ZyX: Not necessarily |
| 11:24.44 | rixth | After I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and then go startx it is still in 1280*1024 |
| 11:24.56 | rixth | PerfDave: will do |
| 11:25.09 | paulswm | hippo: dhcpcd is a client |
| 11:25.09 | paulswm | !dhcpcd |
| 11:25.09 | dpkg | it has been said that dhcpcd is at http://www.phystech.com/download/ (DHCP client daemon for Linux Kernels 2.1.x) or will not work with 2.0.x kernels; try dhcp or upgrade kernels or ask apt about 2.2.x or "i know how to spell dhcpcd i just don't know when to stop", or hopelessly buggy crap, try dhcp-client if it doesn't work |
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| 11:25.21 | ZyX | PerfDave, but i thought if a pack is newer than sarge, its sid |
| 11:25.21 | ambycrao | directhex|work: is Sarge Stable yet? |
| 11:25.29 | paulswm | Heh, it works fine for me |
| 11:25.31 | directhex|work | ambycrao, technically, no. |
| 11:25.42 | rixth | PerfDave, are you in #flood? |
| 11:25.43 | hippo | paulswm: oh, ok then. I approximated it to dhcpd, since that is not in woody :) |
| 11:25.48 | PerfDave | ZyX: You think a lot of things. You think that reinstalling to get to a known good state is a bad idea. |
| 11:25.52 | directhex|work | ambycrao, it all depends on your defenition of stable, of course. it's not been released as Debian 3.1 if that's what you mean |
| 11:25.53 | PerfDave | rixth: Nope, do you want me to be? |
| 11:26.09 | chugga | ugh.. icecast is silly. why is so difficult to setup. |
| 11:26.14 | rixth | That'd be good |
| 11:26.15 | ambycrao | directhex|work: (hard to tell maybe), but how long is it from beeing stable do you think |
| 11:26.23 | rixth | So I dont get kicked for flooding :) |
| 11:26.53 | ZyX | PerfDave, i just spent over a week in installing the whole machine, mailserver everything, and i cant afford to loose any settings, thats why |
| 11:27.10 | directhex|work | ambycrao, weeks, months, I don't think anybody's sure. check bugs.debian.org/release-critical for the number of bugs left to sort before release, though the big hold-up is getting the new security servers working |
| 11:27.10 | PerfDave | ZyX: That's not my problem. |
| 11:27.44 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Sarge seems to be the better choice between Woody and Sarge, thats what people on forums says |
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| 11:27.58 | PerfDave | ZyX: This is why you install things on a test machine before you deploy it, and you make notes about what you're doing. |
| 11:29.03 | directhex|work | ambycrao, i don't particularly care what some fluffy forums have to say. i know what _I_ say, and what i say is don't even bother with woody unless for web-facing servers |
| 11:29.11 | paulswm | SeeYaLaterGuysAndGals |
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| 11:29.41 | ZyX | PerfDave, everything is running fine, i wouldnt have even recognised that anything is wrong.. so what will happen if i dont change anything now? i wont get updates until all sarge packs 'catch up' with the sid version.. right? |
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| 11:30.22 | PerfDave | ZyX: Sarge packages may never catch up with the sid versions. You may not be running the sid versions, or the sarge versions, and hence may have security holes which go unpatched, or package conflicts. |
| 11:30.52 | ambycrao | directhex|work: Big thanks |
| 11:31.00 | ZyX | oh what a day :) |
| 11:31.21 | directhex|work | !d-i ambycrao |
| 11:31.22 | dpkg | ambycrao, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:32.13 | clojster | whats the command to reload all system services (which system loads on boot-time). Without rebooting the computer... |
| 11:32.15 | jethro | why does aptitude dist-upgrade want to install like 200 extra shit, where apt-get dist-upgrade only upgrades a few packages and installs no new ones? |
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| 11:32.28 | clojster | there is such command, right? |
| 11:32.30 | PerfDave | jethro: Because aptitude is on crack. |
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| 11:33.09 | directhex|work | jethro, I suspect a freaky Recommends: or something |
| 11:33.25 | mpays | clojster, init <runlevel> |
| 11:33.27 | chugga | ok. screw icecast. winamp provides a shoutcast server |
| 11:33.32 | jethro | can I skip the recommends? I don't give a **** about abiword and such :) |
| 11:33.38 | sml | isn't aptitude the new dselect ? i've not used it coz im still on wooody.. |
| 11:33.50 | ZyX | PerfDave, i do have notes what i did, at least of most of the things.. is it a big thing to reinstall, install all packages that were there before and then put a backup of /etc and /var on top? where might be the hassles? |
| 11:33.55 | jethro | I m using aptitude like I was using apt-get, all cmdline, can it be related? |
| 11:34.37 | jethro | well -R didn't make it |
| 11:34.38 | PerfDave | ZyX: Why would you put a backup of /etc and /var on top when you're running different versions of the software with possible incompatiable versions of configuration etc. files? |
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| 11:34.52 | PerfDave | ZyX: You'll end up restoring the same problems from backup taht you had before. |
| 11:35.20 | rixth | Looking at dkpg's help, they didn't help. If anyone can join me in #flood, VNC is having issues. |
| 11:36.06 | ZyX | PerfDave, true. but i cant believe that i have to do it all from scratch again |
| 11:36.35 | PerfDave | ZyX: You don't have to do anything. It'd just be the most sensible thing to do in your case. |
| 11:37.19 | ZyX | PerfDave, but that should be a quite safe production webserver in the near future.. and as you described it above i might never get updates again.. |
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| 11:37.43 | rixth | If anyone can join me in #flood for a little VNC help |
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| 11:38.07 | PerfDave | ZyX: Uhm, if you're running a production webserver, you possibly don't want to be on Sarge, since Sarge doesn't get security updates. |
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| 11:38.56 | ZyX | PerfDave, but it will as soon as it gets stable, right? |
| 11:40.07 | rixth | When I try and start vncviewer, I get Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 11:40.22 | rixth | VNC viewer version 3.3.7 |
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| 11:40.55 | hippo | rixth: xhost + as the owner of the X session? |
| 11:41.00 | horror_vacui | Has anyone ever experienced a "ghost DHCP" with debian? |
| 11:41.15 | PerfDave | ZyX: When that happens, yes. |
| 11:41.45 | ZyX | PerfDave, i'm sure it will happen. you not? |
| 11:41.55 | horror_vacui | I've set up a server in our local subnet and used DHCP for the install routines. Now we have the thing in an external subnet, with only one interface connected... |
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| 11:42.14 | hippo | rixth: have you su-ed to another user? |
| 11:42.22 | pnm | hiya.. I have a debian system that I've had running for several years.. it's become quite cluttered and I just need a clean system again. I've decided that the easiest thing would be to reinstall. Just wondered if there's easy any way to return to the base system from an existing install, which would be even easier.. |
| 11:42.32 | PerfDave | ZyX: I'm sure Sarge will release some time. |
| 11:42.45 | horror_vacui | ...and every now and then, the second (not connected) interface will get an address (of our local subnet), which will wreck the routing tables, and the server will stop responding. |
| 11:42.54 | PerfDave | pnm: Which version of Debian are you running? Have you dist-upgraded to Woody? |
| 11:43.19 | pnm | dist-upgraded to testing a while back.. |
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| 11:43.21 | rixth | I've tried in both my current user & root |
| 11:43.49 | PerfDave | pnm: You can look at debfoster and deborphan to remove unwanted packages from an existing system. |
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| 11:43.55 | horror_vacui | PerfDave, What's one supposed to run if not sarge? Prae-historic software? |
| 11:44.09 | pnm | PerfDave,: ah, thanks, I'll look |
| 11:44.27 | ZyX | PerfDave, i wanted to migrate the websites off the old server to this one in the very near future.. but honestly, you would recommend me to do a complete new install instead of keeping the current system and migrating? |
| 11:44.34 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: Where did you come from, and what the fuck are you dribbling about? |
| 11:45.05 | PerfDave | ZyX: You're running some wierd-ass hybrid of Sarge and some unknown packages from a random, untrustworthy, non-Debian repository. Reinstallation would be a sane way to fix that IMHO. |
| 11:45.17 | horror_vacui | I'm not trolling, by the way, I'm just confused... We have set up a mailer with sarge, because my (debianite) colleagues said it's stable enough anyway... Now you say something different. |
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| 11:46.00 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: Woody software is still perfectly usable. I know this, because I run it on a dozen servers. Sarge doesn't get security updates, and has random (infrequent and minor, but still present) breakages. |
| 11:46.06 | rixth | Trying to open any ting with gedit from the command line brings this back: (gedit:6063): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 11:46.26 | neko` | you need to have X running then |
| 11:46.36 | horror_vacui | PerfDave, So what you're saying is basically that what my debianite colleagues said was crap, right ? |
| 11:46.36 | sml | horror_vacui: its stable but doesnt have the security repository,. you shouldn't run sarge on any internet facing host. |
| 11:46.38 | ZyX | PerfDave, but i can keep things like http.conf and the mysql database and vexim (installed by hand) ? |
| 11:46.42 | rixth | neko: talking to me? |
| 11:46.52 | PerfDave | ZyX: Why did you hand-install shit by hand? |
| 11:46.56 | sml | horror_vacui: i only run ONE sarge box out of the eight debian boxes i manage, and that's because that's the only internal one. |
| 11:47.00 | neko` | rixth: yeah |
| 11:47.00 | PerfDave | Argh, s/ by hand// |
| 11:47.22 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: No. Sarge is pretty damn stable by the standards of most OSen. I wouldn't run it on a server unless I had to though. |
| 11:47.43 | ZyX | PerfDave, there's no pack for vexim.. |
| 11:47.47 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: I'll be running Sarge on my quad Opteron box because it has 64 bit kernels. |
| 11:47.48 | rixth | Everything is extremly sluggish, I only restarted 30min ago |
| 11:48.02 | sml | PerfDave: nice box! :) |
| 11:48.04 | PerfDave | ZyX: Did you compile it in /usr/local? |
| 11:48.09 | PerfDave | sml: Mmmm, 12Gb RAM :) |
| 11:48.11 | rixth | I cant open a terminal or anything =/ Anoth restart time |
| 11:48.13 | sml | PerfDave: bastard! |
| 11:48.14 | horror_vacui | sml, PerfDave : Hm, I wasn't very convinced of this sarge-install, knowing it to be "testing" - but I'm no Debian user, and entrusted myself... |
| 11:48.31 | hippo | rixth: try starting a new xterm (from menu) and type xlogo in it |
| 11:48.38 | sml | horror_vacui: its testing but its been in testing for eons! its almost ready for stable .. "almost" |
| 11:48.41 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: I'd rather run Sarge than, say, FC3. |
| 11:48.46 | directhex|work | horror_vacui, sarge is stable, modern & fast, but lacks security updateas at the moment, making it a bad choice for forward-facing servers |
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| 11:49.04 | ZyX | PerfDave, its just a webinterface to exim, essentially some .php files in /usr/share/vexim .. but i also changed a lot in the exim config files |
| 11:49.16 | PerfDave | *shudder* |
| 11:49.18 | sml | horror_vacui: i would worry more about sid when it moves into testing... it wont be worth running the new testing for a long long time.. although hopefully not as long as sarge because i've had to wait a long long time for sarge to become stable :) |
| 11:49.19 | PerfDave | "web interface to exim" |
| 11:49.20 | noid2 | PerfDave: it works, where do you live i owe you a beer ....( i travel the world quite extensively) |
| 11:49.29 | PerfDave | noid2: Oxford, UK :) |
| 11:49.30 | sml | PerfDave: web interface to exim = hax0r me ? |
| 11:49.41 | sml | PerfDave: Cambridge , UK :) |
| 11:49.46 | PerfDave | sml: No, just == "I don't know what I'm doing" |
| 11:49.53 | PerfDave | Urgh, the Other Place of dank fenlands |
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| 11:50.10 | ZyX | PerfDave, not exactly.. i just dont know how to describe.. but i need it for them users/domainadmins, that cant handle console |
| 11:50.28 | noid2 | PerfDave: well i am in london for the next 3 months ...if you ever come this way my email is martynas@canbalt.com ...i am from toronto originally |
| 11:50.32 | ZyX | http://silverwraith.com/vexim/ |
| 11:50.42 | sml | I managed to get my advanced routing issue solved .. I cant remember the nick of the person i was talking to about this yesterday. something begninning with B.. |
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| 11:50.49 | sml | Bizzle ? or something ? |
| 11:51.12 | jethro | Bofh |
| 11:51.30 | horror_vacui | Well, the problem with this "testing" situation is that our servers are new, and pretty up-to-date. I haven't tried it, but I suspect that woody would possibly have problems supporting the hardware. |
| 11:51.32 | PerfDave | ZyX: You can install vexim on your new system when you reinstall... |
| 11:51.33 | sml | nope wasnt bofh, id rememebr that :) |
| 11:51.41 | sml | !seen B*z* |
| 11:51.41 | jethro | :) |
| 11:51.41 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'b*z*', sml |
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| 11:51.57 | directhex|work | horror_vacui, very likely |
| 11:51.59 | sml | no wild card nick searches ? |
| 11:52.01 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: Woody runs well on our modern hardware. It's mostly desktop-stuff like graphics cards that it has trouble with. |
| 11:52.24 | directhex|work | PerfDave, or network cards, disks over 137gb, disk controllers, etc etc etc etc etc |
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| 11:52.38 | sml | PerfDave: I use another distro for bleeding edge desktop stuff. I wont mention its name here though ;) |
| 11:52.41 | PerfDave | directhex|work: *shrug* Works fine on all my kit. |
| 11:52.53 | ZyX | PerfDave, but i will have to diff all files that i plan to get from the current backup..? i think what i'll do now is take a look at the critical packs and which exact version is installed atm. |
| 11:52.54 | Schlafschwein | what about woody with a new kernel? |
| 11:53.10 | directhex|work | Schlafschwein, google for 'hilux' |
| 11:53.10 | horror_vacui | PerfDave, Hm, could be - the server machine is a HP Compaq ProLiant DL380, latest gen... Compaq SmartArray controllers, Hotplug PCI etc... |
| 11:53.25 | rixth | PerfDave & neko`: It's amazing waht a restart can do :) All is well (for now) |
| 11:53.29 | directhex|work | horror_vacui, try googling for hilux, it's a modified debian woody install cd with a recent 2.4 kernel |
| 11:53.35 | jethro | sml: it was blissex wasnt it? |
| 11:53.49 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: Hmm, compaq stuff in Linux doesn't tend to work well, AFAICS. |
| 11:54.26 | horror_vacui | PerfDave, Well, works like a charm with sarge, and both with the stock 2.6 kernel, and a custom one by me... |
| 11:54.35 | PerfDave | horror_vacui: Fair enough |
| 11:55.00 | sml | jethro: YES! it was blissex. |
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| 11:55.17 | jethro | sml: /lastlog -regex owns if you stay connected on the IRC :) |
| 11:55.18 | horror_vacui | PerfDave, The only problem is that grub won't install, and lilo will crap out on auto-updates because it'll try to install on /dev/hda1 for some unexplainable reason, and will fail. |
| 11:55.21 | sml | If i see him i need to tell him how i managed to get my setup working even though its impossible without a multihomed ip range |
| 11:55.22 | takatumi | sml: so what have you managed? etherchannel? |
| 11:55.24 | horror_vacui | /dev/hda1 is the CD. |
| 11:55.31 | Schlafschwein | directhex|work: i have no problems or intend to install woody anywhere, i just dont understand why woody has problems with new hardware, when you can use a new kernel anyway |
| 11:55.34 | SiliconViper | New update to my pack, for anyone who cares: http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/ |
| 11:55.57 | sml | takatumi: i managed to get "next hop" working on two seperate public ip ranges provided via adsl |
| 11:56.10 | horror_vacui | So whoever installs Debian on a ProLiant, take care to install a custom kernel and remove the stock kernel image - otherwise an apt-get upgrade will make your system unbootable. |
| 11:56.17 | directhex|work | Schlafschwein, there's the x server for one, and there's installing it in the first place on new harwdare for another |
| 11:56.23 | takatumi | sml: advantages? |
| 11:56.40 | jethro | takatumi: load sharing and redundancy I d say |
| 11:56.54 | sml | takatumi: pros: i've doubled my uplaod on ADSL so im closer to a leased line setup, cons: my isp may disconnect me for spoofing my address :) |
| 11:56.54 | rixth | * Ping reply from kornbluth.freenode.net: 69.08 second(s hoe's that for a ping :| |
| 11:57.00 | horror_vacui | ...I had to use my Gentoo install CD to recover an apt-get upgrade -wrecked system, ironically.... |
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| 11:57.40 | takatumi | sml: hmm, doubling my uplink sounds yummy. where should I start? :) |
| 11:57.45 | jethro | horror_vacui: that's cause you lack a debian install cd isn't it? |
| 11:57.55 | jethro | takatumi: get a second dsl line |
| 11:58.17 | horror_vacui | jethro, Nay, we had a net-installer, which wouldn't work, then we downloaded a full-installer, which also didn't work.... |
| 11:58.21 | Noid | sml: heh, too much risk, imho |
| 11:58.38 | jethro | !doesn't work |
| 11:58.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 11:58.41 | takatumi | jethro: pointless, could just upgrade it. |
| 11:58.47 | neeko | dpkg: !confuse neeko |
| 11:58.48 | dpkg | wish i knew, neeko |
| 11:58.51 | neeko | =( |
| 11:59.01 | horror_vacui | jethro, Knoppix did fail as well, though - it must be a stroke of luck that Gentoo supported the hardware.... |
| 11:59.05 | jethro | takatumi: of course, but at some point you need a second dsl line, since you can't upgrade anymore |
| 11:59.22 | jethro | horror_vacui: there are specific bootdisks for exotic hardware |
| 11:59.31 | takatumi | jethro: as of now, I still have a long way to go. |
| 11:59.35 | jethro | takatumi: heh |
| 11:59.47 | sml | takatumi: i didn't really understand was blissex was saying coz my range is global , is routable publicaly etc etc.. it dawned on me what was wrong when I tcdumped traffic that was cauisng me to disconnect. i noticed that the reason was because after a rc_cache timeout there's a 50/50 chance my ip on an existing connection will change. which will of cause kill the old connection since the server will receive traffic with the wrong source address. |
| 11:59.51 | horror_vacui | jethro, Oh, interesting - where do you find them, any pointers on that? |
| 12:00.05 | jethro | horror_vacui: www.debian.org ? |
| 12:00.16 | sml | takatumi: as soon as i realised this.. the solution was either hack the kernel to cahce for longer routes. (bad idea) or.. erm.. play games with source ip addresses depending on teh interface. |
| 12:00.28 | felis | hm, enscript complains about an undefined super state CHighLight when I try to highlight an IDL file with it. |
| 12:00.31 | horror_vacui | jethro, Oh, thanks a bunch, I'd never have thought on that... |
| 12:00.41 | sml | i opted for the latter and it work. hurrah! so when i see blissex i'll tell him you CAN load balance leafnode connections :) |
| 12:00.42 | jethro | !cluebat horror_vacui |
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| 12:01.05 | sml | however im not sure how long this will last and if my ISP will be pissed that im sending traffic across their net with a source address that aint there's |
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| 12:01.33 | takatumi | sml: sounds interesting, so it's like bonding? |
| 12:02.10 | horror_vacui | jethro, That was sarcasmus, of course. Seeing that you missed that, I gather you're an american? |
| 12:02.22 | jethro | horror_vacui: not at all |
| 12:02.35 | jethro | horror_vacui: I was born french, as a matter of fact |
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| 12:04.00 | sml | takatumi: its EXACTLY bonding but managing to allow traffic to be routed back properly via spoofing. |
| 12:04.22 | takatumi | sml: will read into it. |
| 12:04.24 | sml | well its not really spoofing.. since the device that recieves the packet will return it to the device that transmitted it. its just smoke n mirrors. |
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| 12:04.48 | sml | takatumi: you wont be able to since its 4.4.1 from advanced routing combined with iptables -nat :) |
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| 12:05.21 | sml | just use a bit of ingenuity. of course if you have two providers that will route the traffic back correctly for you , you dont need to do this. the difference is that you haev to pay $$$$$$ |
| 12:06.06 | sml | It aint cheap. Im even thinking about joining my ISDN internet connection to the shebang :) |
| 12:06.25 | sml | 2xadsl + 1 x isdn. might even join a few modems. |
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| 12:06.46 | takatumi | sml: and then beam to outerspace. |
| 12:06.52 | sml | Yar. |
| 12:07.14 | jethro | does ISDN still exist? |
| 12:07.19 | sml | jethro: LOL. |
| 12:07.37 | sml | jethro: there are still dial-up users that connect to the net without username and password :) not many but they exist. |
| 12:07.45 | jethro | omg |
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| 12:08.07 | t0ffel | bah. kmail was nice, until I decided to switch from mdk to deb. Any experiences? I need my settings.. |
| 12:08.32 | jethro | takatumi: is that supposed to be a question? |
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| 12:08.41 | jethro | t0ffel: ^^ |
| 12:08.50 | jethro | !tell t0ffel -about ask |
| 12:08.53 | jethro | !tell t0ffel -about smart questions |
| 12:09.07 | sml | I like mutt. I have one problem that NO ONE can help me with right now coz smime_keys is broken.. but I like mutt :) |
| 12:09.16 | Nermal | thunderbird is nice to me :) |
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| 12:09.23 | Nermal | yay! choice! |
| 12:09.30 | jethro | stop the mua war or I ll kick you in the nuts |
| 12:09.33 | ZyX | PerfDave, would it be an alternative to uninstall all sid packs (the conf files should be kept) and then install the sarge version of it, taking an exact look at the diff of the config files? |
| 12:09.34 | sml | Thunderbird is good, nermal, good for windows boxes especially. |
| 12:09.42 | sml | jethro: LOL |
| 12:09.52 | Nermal | sml, yup |
| 12:10.06 | sml | right well im off down the pub. |
| 12:10.09 | Nermal | I prefer it to evolution in linux atm.. for some reason my filters put everything into trash :| |
| 12:10.11 | sml | lunch time! |
| 12:10.16 | jethro | enjoy sml |
| 12:10.22 | jethro | I ll just do the same |
| 12:10.39 | FalscherHase | hi. is there a free (libre) alternative to http://moonedit.com/, which is something like an online multi-user real time text editor? |
| 12:10.41 | sml | ssomeone here just said why are you using screen, its almost like a "shit version of windows". jethro save you kick for THEIR nuts :)) |
| 12:10.50 | sml | s/you/your |
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| 12:11.00 | jethro | :) |
| 12:11.14 | t0ffel | I need my kmail settings. I switched from mdk to deb. Same user/home/gid/uid. The settings aren't stored in ~, but in some kmail dir/file(s). How can I avoid having to set up all my mail accounts all over again? I assume the mail won't be a real problem, as it's stored in my home dir. |
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| 12:12.43 | njan | t0ffel, I doubt that settings for your user are stored outside ~, but if they are and you've reinstalled, then unless you took a backup of the old drive, you'll have to. |
| 12:12.47 | Coke | t0ffel: don't delete stuff in your home directory |
| 12:12.47 | hettar | t0ffel: The settings are in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail |
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| 12:14.38 | eusto | hello |
| 12:14.51 | t0ffel | then everything should be alright. thanks guys. Sorry :P |
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| 12:16.18 | t0ffel | my mail is missing though |
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| 12:17.01 | Coke | t0ffel: because it might have been in /var/spool/mail |
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| 12:17.32 | Coke | t0ffel: setup your MTA to deliver mail directly to your users home directories in maildir format. |
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| 12:17.45 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 12:17.47 | jes-o-mat | does anybody knows a software for raid via tcp? |
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| 12:18.20 | cef | software for raid via tcp? wha? |
| 12:18.23 | Coke | jes-o-mat: to have a network interface act as a block device? |
| 12:18.49 | Coke | jes-o-mat: or a raid device that connects through tcp/ip ? |
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| 12:19.29 | jes-o-mat | I think I've found what I want: http://www.drbd.org |
| 12:19.29 | cef | or a number of network block devices being used as the elements of a raid array? |
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| 12:20.18 | t0ffel | Coke: in mdk, kmail used ~./.Mail, which is still intact |
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| 12:21.40 | Coke | t0ffel: did you tell your new kmail to look there? |
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| 12:22.12 | cef | ahh data replication to a different node |
| 12:22.17 | Shay | if I have two network interfaces that got internet connection, and one that is connected to the local network, how do I configure that a speciffic range of IPs use one of the internet interfaces, and another range to use the other interface? |
| 12:23.02 | cef | Shay: you need to look at traffic marking. http://www.lartc.org/ - it's not easy and can be a right pain |
| 12:23.27 | Shay | cef; pain is good, said Silas ;-) (Da Vinci code ;p) |
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| 12:24.34 | cef | Shay: I know all about pain.. I'm currently testing a h/drive using badblocks and it's non-destructive write test. On pass 2 of 1024. |
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| 12:25.04 | MaRcIo | ciao debiani |
| 12:25.20 | takatumi | debianistas |
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| 12:25.29 | MaRcIo | debianari |
| 12:25.35 | sussudio | tasso |
| 12:25.37 | chugga | dibianista - cool |
| 12:25.39 | ZyX | does anyone know where screen stores all the different .bash_history's ? |
| 12:25.50 | t0ffel | Coke: Trying to figure out how. I'd have thought it would keep those settings as well.. |
| 12:25.50 | MaRcIo | tasso? |
| 12:25.56 | jm_ | why would screen care about bash's history file? |
| 12:25.57 | MaRcIo | leopardi? |
| 12:26.57 | sussudio | tasso, fungo, serpente. |
| 12:26.57 | MaRcIo | ah |
| 12:26.57 | Noid | Shay: it's not that hard, using iproute |
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| 12:26.57 | MaRcIo | luclient exiting |
| 12:26.57 | sussudio | http://www.amicidiugo.com/inviaimmagini/immagini/tasso.jpg |
| 12:26.57 | MaRcIo | err client |
| 12:26.57 | MaRcIo | are you italian? |
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| 12:29.07 | xukun | Hi all, I,m having hard time installing user modde linux. Is there anybody who I can ask some quations? |
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| 12:29.49 | TinoW | *gna* my ramdisk image doesnt get mounted :/ |
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| 12:29.58 | TinoW | what can I do? |
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| 12:32.13 | sussudio | !ops BLanD bar_fly_girl SPAMBOTS |
| 12:32.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BLanD bar_fly_girl SPAMBOTS |
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| 12:33.39 | CarlosAlex | Where do I found tips to setup my soundcard. This look the volume is so low, |
| 12:34.03 | chugga | CarlosAlex, install a mixer - aumix or kmix or something else |
| 12:34.10 | sussudio | !confuse CarlosAlex |
| 12:34.10 | dpkg | Yes, where was our ferret yesterday, CarlosAlex? breeches of the people's republic of tahiti with extra ham |
| 12:34.12 | karsten | CarlosAlex: aptitude install aumix and check your levels. |
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| 12:34.21 | takatumi | CarlosAlex: if it's alsa try alsamixer |
| 12:34.32 | karsten | How would I check swapping (page in/out) stats? |
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| 12:34.55 | karsten | I've got a pretty bogged disk ATM (61% iowait) and am trying to identify causes. |
| 12:35.03 | jm_ | karsten: iostat |
| 12:35.34 | karsten | jm_: Um. *pagefile*? |
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| 12:35.50 | jm_ | karsten: iostat is a command, go run it |
| 12:36.07 | Schlafschwein | sysstat package |
| 12:36.11 | karsten | jm_: That's what I'm using ATM. 60 - 100 tps. Lots of reads, slightly fewer writes. |
| 12:36.26 | karsten | jm_: I'm *running* it. It's not giving pagefile page in/out data. |
| 12:36.38 | karsten | jm_: hda 80.60 574.13 31.84 1154 64 |
| 12:36.45 | karsten | jm_: Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn |
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| 12:36.53 | karsten | ...header for that line. |
| 12:37.01 | karsten | Running 2 second interval, continuous. |
| 12:37.32 | jm_ | so what else do you want then? |
| 12:39.08 | jm_ | gah I meant vmstat, not iostat, sorry |
| 12:39.13 | karsten | jm_: stats on pages being moved in and out of swap. |
| 12:39.22 | karsten | jm_: ... |
| 12:39.27 | karsten | jm_: ! Ahh... |
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| 12:39.38 | Schlafschwein | hum y does setting up sysstat ask me about cronjobs on one machine and not on another? |
| 12:39.41 | jm_ | I knew it didn't sound right |
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| 12:39.54 | jm_ | Schlafschwein: maybe they were already there or so |
| 12:40.25 | Schlafschwein | nop was never installed before afaik |
| 12:40.49 | karsten | jm_: OK. si/so are swap in/out? They're mostly 0'd 'bi/bo is blocks in/out? |
| 12:41.00 | jm_ | maybe it depends on other things being installed (suggested packages) |
| 12:41.06 | karsten | jm_: ...doesn't look like it's swap that's hurting. |
| 12:41.09 | nSe | do you know some app who does the same as kazaa fow win? |
| 12:41.21 | karsten | nSe: gnutella. |
| 12:41.21 | jm_ | karsten: yeah, it's not swap then |
| 12:41.41 | karsten | jm_: r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa |
| 12:41.41 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.48 | karsten | Typical. |
| 12:41.52 | jm_ | karsten: so something's writing heavily |
| 12:42.07 | nSe | karsten: gnutella is the best in this function? does it connect also to emule server? |
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| 12:42.19 | karsten | jm_: Any idea what /proc/sys/vm/swappiness is? |
| 12:42.27 | BittenApple | http://www.cyber-wars.com/register.php?ref=3 |
| 12:42.32 | BittenApple | lol go there ^^^^^^ |
| 12:42.34 | BittenApple | http://www.cyber-wars.com/register.php?ref=3 http://www.cyber-wars.com/register.php?ref=3 http://www.cyber-wars.com/register.php?ref=3 |
| 12:42.35 | CarlosAlex | using kmix and aumix, all levels are ok |
| 12:42.40 | BittenApple | I swear you wont regret it!! :D |
| 12:42.47 | Schlafschwein | :) |
| 12:43.07 | karsten | nSe: I don't do music swap much. Gnutella is a Nutella client. I think there's an emule client as well. Sec. |
| 12:43.11 | jm_ | karsten: sure |
| 12:43.13 | karsten | Schlafschwein: You sleep like a pig. |
| 12:43.25 | Schlafschwein | ;) |
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| 12:43.50 | nSe | karsten: i'll serach for them, thanks... |
| 12:44.23 | jm_ | karsten: /msg dpkg swappiness |
| 12:44.29 | karsten | nSe: "kazaa linux client" on Google might be useful as well. |
| 12:44.29 | Xemacs_ | <<< just got 2 porno ads on join |
| 12:44.37 | sussudio | Xemacs_: yes |
| 12:44.55 | Xemacs_ | just thought you should know |
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| 12:45.18 | tarzeau | Xemacs_: by who? |
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| 12:45.22 | karsten | Xemacs_: From whom? |
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| 12:45.39 | sussudio | alindeman: could you kline BLanD and bar_fly_girl? |
| 12:45.45 | Xemacs_ | checking logs 1 min |
| 12:45.57 | sussudio | alindeman: ktnx |
| 12:46.14 | sussudio | or maybe Stx |
| 12:46.18 | Stx | yes, done. |
| 12:46.19 | Xemacs_ | sussudio, karsten yes |
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| 12:47.00 | Schlafschwein | karsten: "Rats, hamsters and pigs sleep for 12 hours" actually quite correct ;) |
| 12:47.29 | ningo | bland and bar_fly_girl = pronadvertisebots |
| 12:47.30 | chugga | can someone help me generated an ecrypted password with makepasswd |
| 12:47.40 | tarzeau | chugga: just ask |
| 12:48.06 | Schlafschwein | encrypted pwd wtf? |
| 12:48.29 | chugga | tarzeau, i just did. the docs say, "# icecast for Debian has been compiled with crypt support. |
| 12:48.29 | chugga | # Thus, you have to create a crypted version of the password.# You can generate encrypted passwords with makepasswd |
| 12:48.29 | chugga | " |
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| 12:48.55 | tarzeau | chugga: run mkpasswd |
| 12:49.17 | chugga | tarzeau, but that just generates a random password. i need an encrypted version of my own password |
| 12:49.18 | karsten | Schlafschwein: ...and cats? |
| 12:49.20 | chugga | otherwise whats the point, right? |
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| 12:49.32 | Schlafschwein | 12-14 iirc |
| 12:49.35 | nSe | karsten: gIFT is the best. searching on google for kazaa linux client, i also have heard about it many times... |
| 12:49.38 | tarzeau | chugga: no it creates a has of your password |
| 12:49.43 | tarzeau | chugga: run mkpasswd |
| 12:49.54 | karsten | nSe: Cool. |
| 12:50.00 | karsten | Xemacs_: Looks like the ops got it. |
| 12:50.10 | noid2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.11 | chugga | tarzeau, by "your" do you mean my user passwd? i dont want it to use my user password |
| 12:50.33 | chugga | ok wait. i was using makepasswd instead of mkpasswd. sorry |
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| 12:51.06 | chugga | thanks tarzeau :D |
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| 12:51.59 | Xemacs_ | karsten, good thankyou |
| 12:52.14 | karsten | Xemacs_: NP |
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| 12:52.55 | COReE | hi guys, i had a problem with mozilla browser family [firefox, mozilla-browser, galeon, epiphany] on Sarge |
| 12:53.05 | COReE | it take 1m9s to open |
| 12:53.16 | COReE | it's too much i think |
| 12:53.24 | tarzeau | COReE: depends on the hardware |
| 12:53.27 | COReE | anybody had the same problem? |
| 12:53.49 | tarzeau | COReE: do you have more than 32mb memory? and more than 200mhz? |
| 12:53.50 | COReE | tarzeau, i think not |
| 12:53.56 | asg | COReE: I did with ff on sid last night. Removing the .mozilla/ dir fixed things |
| 12:54.06 | tarzeau | COReE: i think, yes slow hardware and minimal memory can make it that slow |
| 12:54.06 | COReE | the same hw on mandrake linux funk |
| 12:54.38 | karsten | COReE: grep bogomips /proc/cpuinfo; free. |
| 12:54.58 | karsten | COReE: ...you probably want 233 - 500 MHz or better, and 96 - 256 MB RAM or better. |
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| 12:55.40 | COReE | oh no i had gennuine intel 2.4Ghz with 240 of effective ram |
| 12:56.36 | COReE | Opera work so fine, but i need mozilla |
| 12:57.27 | COReE | if i try with mozilla installer, what do you think? |
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| 12:57.44 | chugga | who makes fake intels? |
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| 12:59.10 | PerfDave | COReE: How would installing from the Mozilla installer help? |
| 12:59.12 | COReE | asg, yes i do this one removing .mozilla but, normally mozilla will create it again, and the problem is the same |
| 12:59.34 | PerfDave | COReE: Do you have *free* RAM? Is your hard drive using DMA? What filesystem are you using? |
| 13:00.02 | asg | COReE: hmmm, dunno then. |
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| 13:01.05 | clojster | where Debian stores configs of default browser, editor, etc? |
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| 13:01.14 | PerfDave | COReE: Please don't /msg me |
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| 13:01.20 | PerfDave | clojster: /etc/alternatives |
| 13:01.23 | asg | clojster: man update-alternatives |
| 13:01.40 | clojster | or better: where can I specify default browser, editor etc for the whole debian system |
| 13:01.59 | clojster | PerfDave: asg: thanks |
| 13:02.14 | asg | clojster: see above or configure EDITOR and BROWSER variables for your users globally. |
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| 13:04.39 | clojster | asg: where can I configure them globally? |
| 13:04.42 | basti | how can i access windows netshares? |
| 13:04.48 | PerfDave | basti: Samba |
| 13:05.04 | basti | ah ok thanks |
| 13:05.13 | bloodaway | are PCMCIA slots and Cardbus slots the same? |
| 13:05.14 | asg | clojster: /etc/environment, put them in the skeleton files for new users in /etc/skel, etc. |
| 13:05.25 | asg | clojster: update-alternatives is probably a better way to go though. |
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| 13:06.08 | Akrame | 772 debian user |
| 13:06.11 | Akrame | nice :) |
| 13:06.16 | basti | PerfDave, i only need a samba client, what package do i need to install? |
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| 13:06.33 | js_ | what do you guys prefer, dm-crypt or loop-aes? |
| 13:06.53 | PerfDave | basti: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:06.58 | bloodaway | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.14 | Schlafschwein | no |
| 13:07.44 | njan | no, bloodaway |
| 13:07.57 | bloodaway | is it possible for my laptop to support both |
| 13:08.01 | bloodaway | with one slot |
| 13:08.07 | asg | bloodaway: yes |
| 13:08.14 | bloodaway | what kind of slot is that |
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| 13:08.32 | asg | bloodaway: generally a cardbus card will work in a type-ii slot as will standard pcmcia cards |
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| 13:09.20 | sussudio | "For the past 20 years a Commodore 64 was instrumental in displaying the departures and arrivals at the Dortmund train station. Now the C64 has died, the display has gone black, and the station has a big problem: a new display system would cost over 3 million Euros." |
| 13:09.31 | asg | sussudio: wtf? |
| 13:09.36 | sussudio | asg: indeed |
| 13:09.49 | sussudio | like it's hard to find a c64. |
| 13:09.53 | PerfDave | How much does a new C64 cost these days? :) |
| 13:09.53 | asg | sussudio: why not just run c64 emulators on linux |
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| 13:10.00 | asg | PerfDave: museum prices |
| 13:10.01 | Schlafschwein | ill sell them my c64 for 2,5mio only! |
| 13:11.07 | asg | sussudio: were the times displayed in 40x25 graphics mode? :) |
| 13:11.19 | sussudio | asg: hmm the original news source says it was an intel 310 with a 286 running xenic |
| 13:11.22 | sussudio | xenix, even |
| 13:11.25 | asg | haha |
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| 13:11.39 | asg | sussudio: didn't know xenix ran on 286s |
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| 13:12.00 | Penix | wasn't the first xenix made for the 286? |
| 13:12.00 | jono | hi all |
| 13:12.06 | sussudio | asg: it runs on 8088's, doesn't it? |
| 13:12.13 | jono | how can I find out which module in lsmod is the one for my wireless card (centrino) |
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| 13:12.33 | asg | sussudio: I've probably got my facts wrong |
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| 13:13.48 | asg | sussudio: SCO introduced its first version of Xenix named SCO Xenix System V for the Intel 8086 and 8088 in 1983 |
| 13:14.04 | Akrame | i want to eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat |
| 13:14.05 | Penix | The first ports of Xenix were to the Zilog Z8001 16-bit processor. |
| 13:14.18 | chugga | after a adding a user to a group. does that take effect immediately or is a relogin required? |
| 13:14.20 | asg | Akrame: then eat, we aren't stopping you |
| 13:14.28 | Akrame | ok asg :) |
| 13:14.33 | asg | chugga: logout, login, or use newgrp or su - <user> |
| 13:14.58 | chugga | asg, ok, im intereted in newgrp |
| 13:15.17 | asg | chugga: it may or may not be what you are looking for but it is an option. |
| 13:15.31 | chugga | asg, no it worked beautifully, cheers |
| 13:15.49 | ZyX | is there a proper way to recover (list) all commands i entered in 'screen'? .bash_history doesnt have them.. and i'd like to have a list of all commands in all screens i ever entered.. |
| 13:15.53 | asg | chugga: you're welcome |
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| 13:16.58 | TinoW | hm. why does Kernel command line: vga=normal load_ramdisk=1 ramdisk_size=153600 initrd=root.bin root=/dev/ram0 rw console=ttyS0,115200 work, but after some logging, Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 8 ports, IRQ sharing disabled appears and changes serial settings? |
| 13:17.01 | sussudio | !win me |
| 13:17.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 13:17.41 | cef | TinoW: setserial in /etc/init.d |
| 13:17.45 | noid2 | why is mysql starting and running in the proccess but not listening ? when i type netstat |
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| 13:17.57 | asg | noid2: because it doesn't listen on a port by default |
| 13:17.58 | cef | TinoW: probably called in /etc/rcS.d |
| 13:17.58 | Delph | noid2: because you didn't read the manual |
| 13:18.00 | asg | !faq noid2 |
| 13:18.01 | dpkg | noid2: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:18.06 | TinoW | cef: root-fs is not mounted at this time |
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| 13:19.00 | cef | TinoW: ahh earlier? hrm.. no idea.. might be resetting the uart at device init.. custom kernel? |
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| 13:20.28 | TinoW | cef: yes, custom kernel |
| 13:21.21 | nSe | i'm having problems with my giFT: after "apt-get install gift" and typing "giFTcurs" seems that i can't connect myself to the network: "Can't connect to the daemon, ig giFT running?" couls sb help me? |
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| 13:21.35 | dedalus | hi |
| 13:21.52 | karsten | In screen, after you've split the screen, how do you go to the other sction, and run a shell there? Or delete the split? |
| 13:22.33 | chugga | i have this permission set for /var/log/icecast2/ drwxr-xr-x 2 icecast icecast 4.0K Dec 29 23:26 icecast2 .. but as a user in the icecast group i cant write to it. what can i do? |
| 13:22.39 | Delph | karsten: ^a-? gives you the commands |
| 13:22.42 | jm_ | info screen -> Selecting :) |
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| 13:22.51 | karsten | Delph: No shit. |
| 13:22.53 | Delph | you'll want to use ^a^i |
| 13:22.58 | cef | TinoW: and you've got the driver for some multiport card compiled inline?? then yeah, probably that card's init process is stuffing things up |
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| 13:23.04 | karsten | Delph: ...and the manpage gives me a reference. Not workign for me. |
| 13:23.27 | karsten | Delph: Thanks ;-) |
| 13:23.40 | jm_ | chugga: yes, it has no permissions for group write |
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| 13:23.57 | Delph | karsten: and ^ac throws up another shell |
| 13:24.02 | ole | how do I mount a USB key on Debian? |
| 13:24.02 | chugga | jm, ah, i see |
| 13:24.03 | karsten | Delph: ...ok. now for the split part -- any way to run another shell ... |
| 13:24.05 | karsten | Delph: Thanks. |
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| 13:24.38 | Delph | "focus" and "screen" respectivley. |
| 13:24.43 | Delph | not very good names, imho. |
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| 13:25.38 | jm_ | and I thought for all these years c stands for create |
| 13:25.50 | Delph | quite. |
| 13:25.52 | curious | question regarding source layout... I notice most "debian ready" source archives put rules in /debian, is there a reason it is done this way vs. the GNU's spec of /build/debian ? |
| 13:26.06 | greycat | jm_: c is for cookie, that's good enough for me... |
| 13:26.12 | jm_ | cureless: that's where the tools get the files from |
| 13:26.18 | chugga | jm_, where did you read that from? |
| 13:26.21 | jm_ | greycat: with regards to screen? :) |
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| 13:26.34 | jm_ | chugga: ls -l output you pasted |
| 13:26.46 | chugga | jm_, yes, but where did it say the group write thing |
| 13:27.17 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Was that to curious? |
| 13:27.17 | karsten | Delph: OK, I think I've got it, though I don't know how I did it. |
| 13:27.23 | jm_ | chugga: drwxr-xr-x (info fileutils -> permissions or info coreutils and find the node explaining permissions) |
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| 13:28.00 | chugga | jm_, ok, hmm, nevermind. i just got it. :-/ |
| 13:28.06 | chugga | its the middle three |
| 13:28.08 | jm_ | yes |
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| 13:28.52 | zarchne | chugga: you might consider setting sgid bit on the directory also. |
| 13:28.52 | IRCMonkey | is there any other image editor that can handle xpm files, couse gimp doesnt work .. |
| 13:29.00 | greycat | !xv |
| 13:29.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html (Very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails) or removed from Debian due to license, or the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed). get the .deb from slink if you want it, or ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 13:29.01 | dedalus | hi i got this message on the boot of my laptop |
| 13:29.02 | jasomja | hi |
| 13:29.09 | dedalus | warning cpu frequency is 1700000, cpufreq assumed 600000 kHz |
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| 13:29.19 | dedalus | have you an idea |
| 13:29.20 | dedalus | ?? |
| 13:29.22 | jasomja | i want to ask to good linux alternative for Adobe ilustrator or corel |
| 13:29.26 | greycat | !any idea |
| 13:29.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and 42 starving dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:29.28 | chugga | zarchne, ok, a small explanation would be kindly received for doing that |
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| 13:29.47 | cef | "get the .deb from slink".. man.. that's an old factoid! |
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| 13:30.01 | Delph | karsten: you get used to it after a while. |
| 13:30.06 | jm_ | jason;tried sketch? |
| 13:30.10 | ole | anyone who can give me some hints about how to automount a USB storage device? |
| 13:30.11 | jm_ | jasomja: tried sketch? |
| 13:30.20 | asg | ole: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 13:30.21 | jm_ | ole: I use hotplug for that |
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| 13:30.35 | zarchne | chugga: forces all the files created in that dir to have the same group as the dir, so that if they are also group-writable they will be in the correct group. |
| 13:30.45 | lestest | hi there ... if I use psnup to print 2 pages in one sheet on a doupbe side printer, I have the back sheet printed upsidedown is there a fix for this |
| 13:30.51 | jasomja | jm_> yes i have tried, but it dont loks like poverfull tool ;( |
| 13:32.17 | zarchne | chugga: they will be group-deletable anyway (whether or not they or group writable, whether or not you set the sgid bit) because the dir will be group writable. Unless you set the sticky bit. |
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| 13:32.54 | greycat | zarchne: why not just write a whole book for him? you could even autograph it.... |
| 13:33.12 | Rambo3 | is there any other image editor that can handle xpm files, couse gimp doesnt work .. |
| 13:33.18 | greycat | !xv |
| 13:33.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xv is at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html (Very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails) or removed from Debian due to license, or the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed). get the .deb from slink if you want it, or ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 13:33.20 | greycat | !deja vu |
| 13:33.20 | dpkg | I know I've heard that one before... |
| 13:33.22 | jasomja | jm_> doesnt exist vector alternative of GIMP ? |
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| 13:33.47 | zarchne | greycat: Thank you, sir, may I have another? |
| 13:34.02 | chugga | zarchne, thats very interesting. |
| 13:34.04 | scytheman | some ION users there? i want to deactivate the font-aliasing, but i can't find anything about it in the manpage or on the website |
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| 13:35.40 | jm_ | jasomja: to be honest, xfig was all I ever needed ;) |
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| 13:35.52 | karsten | Delph: That's what *she* said. |
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| 13:36.08 | KREXZ | how can i search for packages with the apt-get thing?, or install everything that contain mysql? |
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| 13:36.22 | PerfDave | KREXZ: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:36.34 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 13:37.32 | live | hello |
| 13:37.45 | Garp | Question about TAR: I'm trying to use tar to do backups on hard disk. I try to create several tar files with -L, but tar attemps to save them under a single name, so overwriting the previous archive... What is the way to do this? Thanks. |
| 13:37.50 | ducky | Is there a way to get my scroll mouse working real quick? |
| 13:38.03 | live | how many of you are using an xbox? |
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| 13:38.12 | live | i'm new to linux |
| 13:38.24 | Nermal | and xbox running linux ? |
| 13:38.31 | PerfDave | Debian runs on xbox now? |
| 13:38.32 | live | yes |
| 13:38.33 | Nermal | s/and/an |
| 13:38.36 | PerfDave | I thought xbox linux was some deadrat thing |
| 13:38.41 | smoser | ducky: IMPS/2 in XF86Config |
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| 13:38.53 | jethro | who'd run linux on a shitty gayming console |
| 13:38.54 | ricky_clarkson | live: 0.00001% of Debian XBox users are real. |
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| 13:39.35 | PerfDave | ducky: In KDE, "Control Center" -> "Peripherals" -> "Mouse" -> "Advanced" has mouse wheel speed settings. |
| 13:39.37 | Nermal | to make it another useless but leet object |
| 13:39.38 | Garp | Delph : To use it for something ? |
| 13:39.42 | karsten | Delph: ...got vmstat, top, and iostat running in a term, via screen, atm. Works great... |
| 13:39.56 | henrik_ | Hmmm...strange problem. I'm trying to open FreeCiv, but it can't connect to localhost and exits... Why? |
| 13:39.59 | karsten | Delph: ...and as for screen -- I use it *all* the time, just haven't played with splits. |
| 13:40.05 | jethro | henrik_: you need to run the server |
| 13:40.05 | FieldySnuts | because you didn't start the server |
| 13:40.10 | Delph | Garp: wordprocessing on an xbox? |
| 13:40.13 | karsten | henrik_: You need to run civserver. |
| 13:40.24 | karsten | henrik_: ...and I *refuse* to answer why I know that.... |
| 13:40.29 | Garp | Delph: Whatever, web servers? anything. |
| 13:40.33 | henrik_ | Haha! Thanks! |
| 13:40.33 | ricky_clarkson | Delph: Crazier things happened on Quantum Leap. |
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| 13:40.53 | Delph | see, the weird thing, is that the Xbox doesn't really have a 1u form factor |
| 13:41.03 | stew | xboxes aprantly can make decent, cheap mythtv frontends |
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| 13:41.18 | Delph | and why you want to have a webserver with a silly graphics card is beyond me. |
| 13:41.19 | FieldySnuts | i think i'll skip giving MS money |
| 13:41.30 | asg | jethro: started mine yesterday |
| 13:41.31 | Garp | Delph : I mean you can convert an useless box running some kind of schrinked win2000 that can do nothing but play games (if you buy any) to something usefull. |
| 13:41.35 | jethro | :D |
| 13:41.58 | jethro | asg: lucky you |
| 13:42.01 | asg | jethro: I'm sick so not so lucky |
| 13:42.07 | Delph | Garp: if you wanted to buy an xbox you should be expecting to buy a games machine. |
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| 13:42.09 | FieldySnuts | yeah me too, yesterday as well |
| 13:42.15 | Garp | Delph : If I was given an Xbox by chance, I would install linux on it, what else ? |
| 13:42.24 | Delph | Garp: if you're expecting to get 'useful' work out of it, you haven't bought an xbox. |
| 13:42.28 | Garp | Delph : I wouldnt buy one. |
| 13:42.32 | jethro | asg: unfortunately I had to go to the office and suffer the pain from seeing this bitchy sale chick we hired a few months ago and who keeps on msn'ing, so that I had to BOFH |
| 13:42.34 | Delph | Garp: you have no clue. |
| 13:42.39 | Akrame | asg |
| 13:42.40 | FieldySnuts | @lart Delph |
| 13:42.40 | Akrame | bye |
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| 13:42.53 | Garp | Delph : But I could find oone, win one, or whatever. |
| 13:42.59 | asg | jethro: ah, life in the trenches |
| 13:43.02 | jethro | :) |
| 13:43.05 | asg | Akrame: bye |
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| 13:43.40 | jethro | asg: actually she helped me build a list of IPs you want to blackhole to avoid reducing the productivity of such employees :) |
| 13:43.50 | Garp | Delph : And btw, installing linux on an xbox is quite challenging: that's a good reason enough. |
| 13:43.57 | jethro | asg: so she deserved dedicated drop lines in my pf.conf :) |
| 13:44.03 | asg | jethro: hah |
| 13:44.23 | Delph | Garp: so is surviving a 1km fall without a parachute. |
| 13:44.25 | Delph | Garp: lets go try! |
| 13:44.28 | zarchne | Garp: -L assumes the name of your tape drive doesn't change, yes. |
| 13:45.16 | Garp | zarchne : but I save on hard disk... What should I do ? |
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| 13:46.02 | Garp | Delph : your answer is kinda stupid, I stop here. |
| 13:46.03 | zarchne | Garp: why do you want to split the archive? You could use dd, though. |
| 13:46.03 | jethro | hi pingouin |
| 13:47.05 | Garp | zarchne : because it may go larger than 2Go otherwise, and also I will send theé over network and I would like to update only parts who changed |
| 13:47.12 | daxxar | What package contains "keytool" (java) |
| 13:47.19 | Garp | I have to go. |
| 13:47.34 | Delph | daxxar: do you have java installed? |
| 13:47.39 | stew | Garp: use split |
| 13:47.39 | zarchne | Garp: mv |
| 13:47.48 | Delph | (if you've got the sun one, then it comes with it, no idea about any others) |
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| 13:48.57 | zarchne | Garp: split, like stew said. (I had a hare-brained idea, but nevermind.) |
| 13:49.01 | Garp | zarchne : I first wanted to use rsync, but I want to poreserve ownerships and such but of course I dont copy over network as root. |
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| 13:49.03 | mattboll_ | hi |
| 13:49.04 | daxxar | Delph, I do not believe so, no. |
| 13:49.14 | daxxar | Is there any package for sun java, or do I need to install it manually |
| 13:49.21 | Garp | zarchne: Split is done too late (you have to create the archive first) |
| 13:49.22 | mattboll_ | for doing some nat does everybody use iptable ? |
| 13:49.35 | jethro | !tell daxxar -about java |
| 13:49.41 | zarchne | Garp: no, write the archive to stdout and pipe to split. |
| 13:49.43 | mattboll_ | i thought there were a package but i don't remember wich |
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| 13:49.52 | Garp | zarchne: Ho, nice idea. |
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| 13:50.26 | jethro | mattboll_: if you're still in the last century, you can use ipmasqadm |
| 13:50.29 | daxxar | jethro, thanks. |
| 13:50.32 | Garp | zarchne : thanks. But I'll still be thinking: maybe I choosed the wrong solution somewhere. |
| 13:50.37 | jethro | daxxar: you're welcome |
| 13:50.57 | Garp | (bebye, have to go) |
| 13:51.09 | mattboll_ | jethro: well i'm on 2005 :) |
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| 13:51.58 | aluno01 | luana????????????/ |
| 13:52.22 | FieldySnuts | @ep |
| 13:52.24 | ravenbird | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 13:54.58 | daxxar | jethro, I'm running woody, and it says to fetch the java-package from "http://packages.debian.org/java-package", but that url gives me two java-packages from testing and unstable. |
| 13:55.04 | daxxar | What should I do? |
| 13:55.24 | greycat | daxxar: fetch one. |
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| 13:55.39 | daxxar | greycat, oh. So just get unstable or testing? |
| 13:55.54 | greycat | Why do I bother? |
| 13:56.00 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: be a common sense barbie |
| 13:56.02 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:56.04 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 13:56.07 | COReE | PerfDave, right now i know why:-) |
| 13:56.15 | chugga | the guy who made the icecast2 package screwed up the permissions... |
| 13:56.22 | daxxar | greycat, but won't that have conflicting dependencies or something? o_0 |
| 13:56.26 | COReE | the problem is, i think some plugin |
| 13:56.28 | FieldySnuts | contact him then, he might want to know |
| 13:56.30 | greycat | daxxar: you tell me. what does it depend on? |
| 13:56.33 | tyia | is doing all sysadmin tasks under sudo a good idea or should I stick to the traditional su root-style? |
| 13:56.45 | COReE | when i am in internet everything ok |
| 13:56.52 | greycat | tyia: each one has its advocates. |
| 13:56.54 | asg | tyia: sudo provides some logging to /var/log/auth.log so is advisable |
| 13:56.57 | jvw | daxxar: no significant changes |
| 13:57.02 | COReE | when not, it take 1m |
| 13:57.03 | FieldySnuts | tyia: whatever works for you, i use su - for short times, su -c for single commands |
| 13:57.05 | daxxar | greycat, debhelper and fakeroot. doesn't seem to list a version for the packages, though. |
| 13:57.08 | daxxar | jvw, ok. thanks. :) |
| 13:57.09 | jasomja | jm_ > xfig looks fine :), thanks |
| 13:57.14 | jvw | daxxar: take unstable, I'd say, in a few days it'll be the same as in testing |
| 13:57.17 | tyia | asg: thanks |
| 13:57.26 | tyia | asg: that was a good point |
| 13:57.26 | Xemacs_ | !test |
| 13:57.27 | dpkg | Yes, xemacs_, you're still online. |
| 13:57.47 | asg | tyia: especially important if you have multiple admins (and want to find out which one deleted the cvs tree.) |
| 13:57.48 | FieldySnuts | for instance now I"m watching a debugging log of an ftp server, i need to be root for that so I su - then do my stuff, then exit when i'm done |
| 13:57.52 | chugga | FieldySnuts, i could, but its probably something to do with my system |
| 13:58.08 | FieldySnuts | heh then how is that the maintainers fault |
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| 13:59.24 | FieldySnuts | bleh lame, too cold to go out and do anything like take a walk in a park and take pics |
| 13:59.45 | asg | FieldySnuts: then watch Walker, Texas Ranger instead |
| 14:00.09 | FieldySnuts | nah no working tv, plus I think i've seen em all :P |
| 14:00.24 | chugga | FieldySnuts, well .. i dont know much about debian, but the defaults seem wrong - now maybe thats because of something i havent done properly |
| 14:00.26 | chugga | but *shrug* |
| 14:00.40 | FieldySnuts | that show straddled the line of "lame but still worth watching" very well |
| 14:00.40 | merlincorey | if one has multiple trees (testing and unstable, for example) and no apt-pinnings preferences, which tree does apt-get use by default without use of -t? |
| 14:00.46 | asg | FieldySnuts: http://www.livejournal.com/users/krautboy/243291.html (then read some of the captions.) |
| 14:01.12 | FieldySnuts | chugga: most problems are user error / id-10-t mishaps anyway |
| 14:01.18 | merlincorey | that is multiple trees in your sources.list |
| 14:01.33 | chugga | FieldySnuts, ok. i dont care anyway. icecast sucks to configure . blah |
| 14:01.39 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 14:01.45 | FieldySnuts | if you find something better tell me |
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| 14:02.07 | chugga | FieldySnuts, shoutcast worked pretty quickly for me, but its closed source |
| 14:02.14 | FieldySnuts | yeah. i'll pass |
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| 14:02.53 | tyia | asg: :) |
| 14:02.55 | FieldySnuts | besides i want ogg streaming capability, newer icecasts are the only ones that can do that I think, or maybe i'm confused, i stopped doing that a while ago, too much of a pain |
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| 14:03.38 | ricky_clarkson | !do the brotman |
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| 14:04.34 | abrotman | !sing ricky_clarkson |
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| 14:05.12 | EtherNet | hello, I am having a problem trying to use PLIP, insmod plip, says it will not use IRQ (inefficient).. I set up an IP address to plip0, and it says: plip0: receive timeout(2,80) 2 times aproximately.. and stops... and doesn't work? any idea? |
| 14:05.31 | FieldySnuts | yuck plip, ran that once ages ago, what a pain. good luck :( |
| 14:05.31 | ricky_clarkson | !be ricky_clarkson barbie |
| 14:05.41 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: ping |
| 14:05.42 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:05.58 | EtherNet | FieldySnuts I need to use it for an old sort of device..., so no idea? |
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| 14:06.13 | FieldySnuts | been years so no |
| 14:06.27 | aussielappie | hello deb heads i am trying to set up amn email acctt on pine can anyone help? |
| 14:06.38 | asg | aussielappie: /msg dpkg pine |
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| 14:07.48 | daxxar | What's PLIP? =) |
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| 14:08.08 | FieldySnuts | parallel line something protocol |
| 14:08.10 | Nermal | it's a bit like a PLOP but going quicker |
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| 14:08.16 | Nermal | doppler shifted shit if you will |
| 14:08.17 | FieldySnuts | basically ppp over a parallel line |
| 14:08.20 | greycat | !plip |
| 14:08.20 | dpkg | methinks plip is Parallel Line Internet Protocol (IP), "PL/IP" or a character from a Charles Dickens novel |
| 14:08.23 | daxxar | ok |
| 14:08.23 | Nermal | sorry.. too much coffee.. I'll leave now |
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| 14:08.49 | FieldySnuts | networking over a printer cable, if you will |
| 14:08.49 | jm_ | it was about 75kB/s for me back then I think |
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| 14:10.43 | nSe | i ran giftd by "Run Command...", and now i need to stop it, what i might type? |
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| 14:10.55 | FieldySnuts | killall gift giFTd |
| 14:10.56 | asg | nSe: open a terminal, man kill |
| 14:11.07 | FieldySnuts | killall giftd giFTd |
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| 14:11.27 | greycat | it's called "giftd" now. |
| 14:11.30 | ricky_clarkson | init 0 |
| 14:11.43 | nSe | FieldySnuts, asg: thanks... |
| 14:12.00 | FieldySnuts | greycat: good to see they got rid of the rediculous caps |
| 14:12.06 | ducky | What's a good site to get some pimp'n wallpaper? :) |
| 14:12.16 | ricky_clarkson | ducky: teh google |
| 14:12.18 | FieldySnuts | "pimp'n", what, am I in an aol room? |
| 14:12.25 | ducky | :) |
| 14:12.27 | neko` | FieldySnuts: almost |
| 14:12.43 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Yes, they've let their standards drop to our level recently. |
| 14:12.44 | ducky | Just some good wallpaper |
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| 14:12.51 | ricky_clarkson | ducky: teh google |
| 14:12.52 | dwu | FieldySnuts omfg asl asl asl?? ttyl ttyl |
| 14:12.57 | sml | bollox. i just missed my dentist appointment! |
| 14:13.00 | FieldySnuts | ducky: and what does htis have to do with debian.. |
| 14:13.00 | asg | ducky: you can't do better than black |
| 14:13.02 | ducky | been google'n |
| 14:13.04 | ricky_clarkson | dwu: Arithmetic Shift Left? |
| 14:13.09 | sml | they're gonna charge me now the capitalist sons of xxxxxxx |
| 14:13.35 | ducky | FieldySnuts: I'm using debian if that helps ya |
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| 14:14.07 | asg | "I have an itch in my nether regions, what can I do?" "I'm using Debian if that helps" |
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| 14:14.21 | sussudio | apt-get install talcon-powder-i18n |
| 14:14.39 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get install the-ability-to-spell-talcum |
| 14:14.44 | asg | sussudio: das itchen? |
| 14:14.52 | sussudio | asg: yes |
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| 14:15.05 | zarchne | ducky: give a loved one a digital camera and have them take them for you. |
| 14:15.10 | nSe | what can i type to see all the current process running? |
| 14:15.15 | asg | nSe: man ps |
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| 14:15.23 | ricky_clarkson | nSe: ps aux or ps ef or top |
| 14:15.29 | asg | nSe: and find a good introduction to Unix book |
| 14:15.33 | greycat | you mean 'ps -ef' |
| 14:15.42 | ricky_clarkson | I do. |
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| 14:16.45 | xk | What do I need to be able to burn DVDs with 2.6.x kernel? I have 2.4.x working. |
| 14:16.59 | jm_ | xk: hardware support in kernel |
| 14:17.17 | xk | jm_: like what, exactly. I'm getting a hardware error with cdrecord-prodvd. |
| 14:17.20 | ukh | xk: try dev=ATA:1,0,0 or similar |
| 14:17.40 | jm_ | xk: just regular ide-cdrom support if it's an IDE drive, I use growisofs |
| 14:17.47 | jm_ | xk: do no use ide-scsi with 2.6 |
| 14:17.51 | nSe | asg: i'll read those: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html do you think is usefull to read them both all? |
| 14:17.55 | xk | ahh... I have ide-scsi |
| 14:18.07 | jm_ | in fact, you can do without it even with 2.4.x, x>20 |
| 14:18.18 | asg | nSe: yes |
| 14:18.40 | greycat | !wirjs ub 2,4 |
| 14:18.43 | greycat | damn... damn... |
| 14:18.45 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 14:18.45 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 14:18.56 | xk | well, 2.6.x kernel is a piece of shit. |
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| 14:19.08 | jm_ | how so? |
| 14:19.15 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 14:19.15 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 14:19.39 | resiak | Netcraft confirms it... |
| 14:19.49 | xk | :) |
| 14:20.14 | chugga | if i install a package through apt-get then remove it, then re-install again - does it use some kind of package cache to restore the original installation or does it install a fresh version? |
| 14:20.42 | resiak | chugga: If the current version is still the one you had installed before, and you haven't cleared /var/cache/apt, then it will use the same .deb |
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| 14:20.49 | ^c | chugga: if you don't purge when you remove it keeps the configuration |
| 14:20.49 | xk | jm_: weird issues like stuff locking up (firefox, sancho, even lftp's ETA status). |
| 14:21.03 | ^c | chugga: if it had special configuration |
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| 14:21.07 | karsten_ | chugga: You'll install the current version. |
| 14:21.12 | xk | and now my ISP is being DoS'd. |
| 14:21.13 | xk | heh |
| 14:21.18 | chugga | resiak, ok, then thats what it did. how do i purge? |
| 14:21.25 | karsten_ | chugga: ...if you have that version in your package cache, it will fetch it locally. |
| 14:21.30 | xk | jm_: so how would I get out of this ide-scsi mess and get dvd burning? |
| 14:22.05 | karsten_ | chugga: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/<packagename> |
| 14:22.08 | jm_ | xk: hmm the only problem I noticed when going from 2.4 to 2.6 was that some terminals failed to close properly (possibly the tty bugs in 2.6), and I disliked default I/O and task scheduler |
| 14:22.09 | greycat | xk: besides going back to 2.4? |
| 14:22.16 | chugga | karsten_, is that the official wy to do it ?hehe |
| 14:22.28 | jm_ | xk: disable it in kernel config or don't load it, use /dev/hdX as a burning device |
| 14:22.28 | stew | greycat: that would get him out of the ide-scsi thing :) |
| 14:22.31 | xk | greycat: yes. that's my last resort... but then I'd have an unuseable digital tv card. |
| 14:22.36 | karsten_ | chugga: ...well, if you want to clear the *entire* cache: apt-get clean |
| 14:22.39 | ^c | chugga: -P to along with remove to purge, apt-get clean to clear the apt-cache |
| 14:22.40 | xk | jm_: with cdrecord-prodvd? |
| 14:22.53 | karsten_ | chugga: ...if you just want to remove updated DEBs: apt-get autoclean |
| 14:22.57 | stew | xk: what have you tried so far? |
| 14:23.03 | ducky | In Firefox the default hyperlink colors are all screwed up. It's like FF is using the Debians color scheme. Is there a way to get the standard blue hyperlinks back? |
| 14:23.13 | greycat | I doubt very much that cdrecord-prodvd will ever use the abominable dev=/dev/hdc hack. |
| 14:23.18 | xk | stew: same config as on 2.4.x... ide-scsi and cdrecord-prodvd. |
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| 14:23.20 | greycat | Joerg *HATES* "/dev/hdc" and ide-cd with a consuming passion. |
| 14:23.28 | ^c | s/-/ / |
| 14:23.29 | libv | directhex|work: and fuck you too. |
| 14:23.36 | xk | greycay: thats' why I'm puzzled as to how the "normal" cdrecord is able to burn dvds, heh. |
| 14:23.43 | jm_ | xk: I have no experience with prodvd, but regular cdrecord supports burning using IDE devices, so I guess that one does too |
| 14:23.53 | directhex|work | well that was random |
| 14:24.01 | matt_ | hey, if i download and install apt-get for the first time, how will it know what i have installed ? |
| 14:24.11 | xk | hrm. |
| 14:24.13 | chugga | greycat, werent we supposed to able use our ide burners without scsi emulation these days? |
| 14:24.14 | greycat | xk: the "normal" one has been specially modified to support 2.6.x kernels and their silly "dev=ATA:x,y,z" and the older "dev=ATAPI:x,y,z" (now deprecated) and the "dev=/dev/hdc" (questionable) methods. |
| 14:24.14 | jm_ | ducky: they are blue here |
| 14:24.38 | greycat | chugga: that's what the debate is about. |
| 14:24.41 | xk | cdrecord: If you need DVD-R/DVD-RW support, ask the Author for cdrecord-ProDVD. |
| 14:24.43 | ducky | jm_, Mine are like green with a blue line under them |
| 14:24.45 | stew | xk: rmmod the ide-scsi module, and run cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATPA: |
| 14:24.46 | xk | that's what the normal cdrecord says |
| 14:24.46 | chugga | greycat, ok |
| 14:25.00 | stew | err ATAPI |
| 14:25.01 | jm_ | xk: alternatively, use growisofs |
| 14:25.02 | xk | ok. |
| 14:25.08 | sml | jethro: had a nice beer ? |
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| 14:25.18 | zarchne | matt_: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 14:25.18 | greycat | ide-scsi is the "right way" according to Joerg, and it just *works*, apart from the linux-bug-of-the-week. |
| 14:25.24 | greycat | ide-cd is a horrible mess right now. |
| 14:25.33 | greycat | "But it's l33t!!!1!!" |
| 14:26.32 | sml | its k-rad. |
| 14:27.05 | xk | this is borked. |
| 14:27.23 | stew | xk: have you tried growisofs? |
| 14:27.39 | resiak | libv: Did you just decide to arbitrarily swear at directhex|work ? |
| 14:27.39 | chugga | whats the debian way of building for source - taht which you get from apt? |
| 14:27.39 | xk | stew: I'm trying to find it right now |
| 14:27.41 | sml | growisofs is kewl. |
| 14:27.56 | nksen | 'export CC=/usr/bin/ccache' should be enough to make a kernel-compilation to use ccache, shouldn't it? |
| 14:27.56 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg source |
| 14:27.58 | ricky_clarkson | Is kewl the German for cool or something? |
| 14:28.05 | greycat | nksen: no. the Makefile has CC = .... in it. |
| 14:28.23 | greycat | nksen: you must therefore edit the Makefile, or pass the variables as PARAMETERS to make, not environment vars. |
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| 14:28.38 | xk | where can I download growisofs? |
| 14:28.39 | stew | ricky_clarkson: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 14:28.44 | stew | xk: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:28.49 | jm_ | xk: it's packaged |
| 14:28.52 | jethro | sml: yeah, a belgian one, I love them |
| 14:28.53 | jm_ | stew :)) |
| 14:29.09 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Nice. |
| 14:29.14 | jethro | sml: with good food :p |
| 14:29.25 | nksen | greycat: i see. this article i'm reading seems to suck. it tells me, the kernel's makefiles would be configured to use CC... |
| 14:29.41 | sml | jethro: I went in one of our chains.. and the food didn't kill me so i cant complain. |
| 14:29.53 | sml | xk: vobcopy is cool too. |
| 14:30.19 | chugga | what is a deb file? how do i look inside it? |
| 14:30.27 | greycat | growisofs is part of dvd+rw-tools |
| 14:30.28 | stew | chugga: man dpkg |
| 14:30.29 | jm_ | chugga: it's in the FAQ |
| 14:30.32 | greycat | chugga: it's an ar(1) archive. |
| 14:31.00 | directhex|work | dvd burning works fine on 2.6.10 on this machine. |
| 14:31.10 | xk | sigh |
| 14:31.17 | greycat | dvd+rw-tools has recently acquired DVD-R(W) capability. cdrecord-prodvd has recently acquired DVD+R(W) capability. They're your two basic choices. They both have issues. |
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| 14:31.33 | jm_ | for some values of recently ;) |
| 14:31.33 | nSe | hey asg, don't you think is wasting of time reading the whole Debian Reference? and more: do not you have any other usefull doc's for me to learn about those things? |
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| 14:31.51 | greycat | jm_: only one of them runs on my HP-UX 10 boxes. Care to guess which? :) |
| 14:32.01 | xk | what do I need to do exactly to get dvd burning working since 2.6.x is being a tightass. |
| 14:32.07 | jm_ | greycat: ahh neat, you have a SCSI burner? |
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| 14:32.28 | directhex|work | xk, in my experience, k3b and some blank discs. |
| 14:32.28 | greycat | xk: disable ide-scsi, load ide-cd instead, and figure out which driver and syntax to use to describe your device to cdrecord. |
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| 14:32.49 | asg | nSe: there are sections that are more tuned to basic Unix usage but If you are going to use Debian in any non-trivial capacity, it will provide lots of useful tidbits. |
| 14:32.57 | greycat | jm_: no, we use ATAPI-to-SCSI adapters to put standard ATAPI drives in external or internal SCSI enclosures. |
| 14:33.05 | jesrie | Hi! In which package do I find dos2unix? |
| 14:33.11 | greycat | jesrie: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 14:33.16 | chugga | well i dont understand the way this file is made. theres a data.tar.gz and another tar.gz .. |
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| 14:33.22 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg mg |
| 14:33.26 | chugga | is there a nice debian way of unravelling a deb? |
| 14:33.26 | jesrie | thx greycat |
| 14:33.30 | greycat | chugga: dpkg -x |
| 14:33.37 | xk | directhex|work: I prefer to make an image and just burn it. not use some bloated gui. |
| 14:33.37 | jm_ | greycat: hmm that's a good idea, we were trying to find external DVD-ROM drive the other day and found one for $275 or somesuch, surely this method makes it much cheaper |
| 14:33.44 | chugga | thanks greycat :) |
| 14:33.51 | asg | nSe: sections 4 and 8 are particularly worth reading |
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| 14:34.19 | jm_ | I'll check if we can find those adapters locally |
| 14:34.20 | faljse | chugga, mc |
| 14:34.27 | greycat | jm_: Data Storage Depot sells them in external cases with adapters already built in, too. |
| 14:34.33 | xk | brb |
| 14:34.58 | jm_ | greycat: thanks |
| 14:35.36 | greycat | also, I'd recommend avoiding Sony's DVD burners. the DRU-500A was OK, but the 530A is a piece of shit. |
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| 14:35.45 | code | hi |
| 14:36.19 | jesrie | grecat: dpkg dos2unix does not work, a parameter is missing |
| 14:36.31 | jesrie | greycat: dpkg dos2unix does not work, a parameter is missing |
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| 14:36.42 | jm_ | we have one of 500A, no big issues so far |
| 14:36.48 | jm_ | one of=Sony |
| 14:37.06 | stew | jesrie: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 14:37.19 | asg | jesrie: type that in your irc client |
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| 14:37.29 | jesrie | oh, in my IRC-client... ok |
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| 14:37.46 | nSe | asg, sorry, did you answer me something? i make shit... |
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| 14:38.44 | NP_complete | hi all |
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| 14:39.05 | asg | nSe: there are sections that are more tuned to basic Unix usage but If you are going to use Debian in any non-trivial capacity, it will provide lots of useful tidbits. |
| 14:39.08 | asg | nSe: sections 4 and 8 are particularly worth reading |
| 14:39.12 | xk | ok. rebooted. no more ide-scsi... ide-cd loaded. what next? |
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| 14:39.41 | asg | nSe: and while your at it, 'man 1 intro' |
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| 14:40.44 | greycat | xk: probably something like "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA:" |
| 14:40.55 | NP_complete | I have purchased a 17'' TFT screen, it can work at 1280x1024@60Hz, I configure my XF86Config-4 via "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" but i can't get the 1280 res, why? |
| 14:40.57 | xk | :) |
| 14:41.05 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.07 | greycat | xk: I've never actually done it. I don't use 2.6. |
| 14:41.17 | greycat | Pioneer -- good choice. :) |
| 14:41.26 | sml | NP_complete: why not put a mode line in your XF86Config file then ? |
| 14:41.43 | nksen | and how do I setup distcc!? just install it and export DISTCC_HOSTS to the hosts i wanna use and then run 'make -j 4'? |
| 14:42.07 | stew | xk: then you should be able to burn by using -dev=ATA:1,0,0 |
| 14:42.12 | xk | so all I have to do is prefix dev with ATA: ? |
| 14:42.20 | sml | nksen: distcc? are you running debian ? |
| 14:42.24 | zarchne | NP_complete: often the X server's output is helpful. |
| 14:42.24 | NP_complete | sml: Depth 24: "1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 14:42.31 | greycat | xk: dev=ATA:1,0,0 it would seem. |
| 14:42.43 | neko` | nksen: have to run distccd on those hosts |
| 14:42.48 | xk | ok, prefix the argument of dev. |
| 14:42.51 | NP_complete | I mean, i have those Mode lines, on each Color depth |
| 14:43.09 | NP_complete | but, my screen appears black when i run gdm |
| 14:43.10 | zarchne | NP_complete: that isn't a mode line. |
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| 14:43.34 | NP_complete | oh... excuse me i'm a newbie |
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| 14:43.43 | greycat | !n00b |
| 14:43.43 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 14:43.45 | ricky_clarkson | Newbie is a state of mind. |
| 14:44.08 | alfatau | hi, i discovered a strange thing: i stopped exim4 but however i can locally send mails. have u an explanation? |
| 14:44.24 | rrk_ | hi |
| 14:44.26 | greycat | apparently the daemon isn't required for local deliveries. |
| 14:44.40 | NP_complete | zarche, what's a mode line? |
| 14:44.42 | greycat | Oh wait! "u" was supposed to answer. Sorry for stepping on "u"'s toes. |
| 14:44.43 | ricky_clarkson | !u |
| 14:44.43 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:44.52 | greycat | But it seems u isn't here at the moment. |
| 14:44.55 | rrk_ | I an new to Linux..... |
| 14:44.56 | greycat | I guess we'll have to do. |
| 14:44.58 | zarchne | NP_complete: I find it helpful to use e.g., "startx -- -bpp 24 2>&1 | less" when diagnosing problems. |
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| 14:45.00 | neko` | !wud |
| 14:45.00 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 14:45.12 | ricky_clarkson | neko`: Is that Welsh? |
| 14:45.22 | neko` | I think it's retardish |
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| 14:45.27 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 14:45.44 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i already sent you a good link for decoding that :) |
| 14:45.47 | zarchne | NP_complete: e.g., Modeline "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 |
| 14:45.48 | rrk_ | anybody, hi if i want to learn linux what should i do? |
| 14:45.49 | sml | retardish == welsh |
| 14:46.03 | sml | rrk_: go to linuxdocs.org |
| 14:46.09 | stew | zarchne: you are recommending that he edit his config by hand instead of using dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 14:46.10 | rrk_ | thanks |
| 14:46.10 | asg | rrk_: buy a good introductory book and see online docs and howtos |
| 14:46.18 | NP_complete | zarchne, i can't understand it |
| 14:46.24 | zarchne | stew: no, not really, |
| 14:46.24 | rrk_ | ok |
| 14:46.24 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Doesn't mean I want to. |
| 14:46.31 | xk | cdrecord doesn't want to deal with DVD-R burning. |
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| 14:46.37 | stew | zarchne: what are you recommending he do with that modeline then? |
| 14:46.49 | sml | rrk_: the o'reilley books are a wealth of knowledge. i've read loads and i've probbaly not even covered 10% of them. |
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| 14:47.06 | xk | what's an example usage of growisofs? |
| 14:47.18 | jm_ | man page has example IIRC |
| 14:47.25 | zarchne | stew, I thought sml was recommending it. |
| 14:47.30 | alfatau | greycat: and also sending mail (even if exim4 is stopped) takes a very long time. |
| 14:47.38 | alfatau | greycat: any idea? |
| 14:47.45 | stew | NP_complete: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 14:47.45 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Is alfatau's a DNS issue perhaps? |
| 14:47.53 | xk | does growisofs support images? |
| 14:47.57 | jm_ | yes |
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| 14:48.22 | alfatau | ricky_clarkson: i think no. i'm sending local mails |
| 14:48.26 | xk | ahhh.. I didn't scroll down far enough ;) |
| 14:48.35 | jm_ | the syntax is /dev/hdX=/image/file.bla if my memory serves me well |
| 14:48.38 | ricky_clarkson | alfatau: What email address? |
| 14:49.16 | ricky_clarkson | Something@localhost, something@ip, something@somewhere.org? |
| 14:49.26 | alfatau | ricky_clarkson: no email address: for example alfatau@localhost |
| 14:49.26 | xk | how do I know what buffer size or speed growisofs uses? |
| 14:49.35 | jm_ | it will tell you ;) |
| 14:49.38 | sml | xk: /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian read it! |
| 14:49.44 | ricky_clarkson | alfatau: ping localhost - does this work immediately or hang for a bit? |
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| 14:50.11 | xk | dev/hdc: "Current Write Speed" is 4.1x1385KBps. |
| 14:50.11 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.17 | sml | xk: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd-r -dvd-video my_dvd |
| 14:50.25 | alfatau | ricky_clarkson: no, immediately |
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| 14:50.48 | ricky_clarkson | alfatau: That's me out. Just an idea. |
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| 14:50.57 | xk | dvd-video works fine with growisofs? I remember cdrecord-prodvd would never produce a compliant dvd-video media |
| 14:51.11 | libv | resiak: no, not arbitrarily at all |
| 14:51.18 | resiak | libv: Oh. |
| 14:51.20 | NP_complete | well, i have the "nv" driver, my screen is able to disply 1280x1024@60Hz, but it just doesn't work |
| 14:51.23 | resiak | libv: What was the context? |
| 14:51.29 | libv | resiak: feel free to check logs |
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| 14:51.34 | resiak | libv: Okay. |
| 14:51.44 | libv | if you have a big enough buffer, that should suffice too |
| 14:51.44 | xk | why is 1280x1024 a valid resolution? it's 5:4 ratio! |
| 14:52.01 | zarchne | xk: one of the great mysteries. |
| 14:52.02 | alfatau | ricky_clarkson: i though stopping the MTA (exim) i would be able to make mail command to fail, but it however sends mails, and always taking a long, long time (30-40 secs) |
| 14:52.03 | sml | xk: the reasons why cdrecord doesn't support DVDs are given in that doc, although there *are* versions of cdrecord that *do* |
| 14:52.03 | directhex|work | xk, because screens are manufactured with that resolution. |
| 14:52.04 | ricky_clarkson | !1280/1024*4 |
| 14:52.04 | dpkg | 5 |
| 14:52.06 | ricky_clarkson | Wow. |
| 14:52.13 | directhex|work | xk, a lot of them. |
| 14:52.18 | sml | xk: if you want the answers they're in that doc under /usr/doc |
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| 14:52.25 | sml | xk: /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian |
| 14:52.30 | xk | directhex|work: that's stupid. I'd rather a 4:3 ratio at 1280x960. |
| 14:52.31 | boycer | hello all - got a small situation involving autofs and nis on a sarge box. /home is mounted from a nis map by the automounter. I need to restart autofs but some of the /home/* directories won't umount, so autofs won't start for /home. It grumbles into syslog "mount_autofs: already mounted". Any ideas? |
| 14:52.51 | greycat | xk: so run 1280x960 :) |
| 14:52.57 | xk | greycat: good luck on an LCD. |
| 14:53.04 | resiak | libv: I don't suppose you want to give me a timeframe? |
| 14:53.12 | directhex|work | xk, computers haven't used 4:3 resolutions for _YEARS_. never run any old games in 320x200? |
| 14:53.20 | libv | 4.5h ago perhaps |
| 14:53.28 | ricky_clarkson | 640x256 - Amiga 1200 |
| 14:53.32 | mufa | hi, how could I extract a specific file from a tar archive ? |
| 14:53.34 | xk | yeah, I was an amiga gamer. |
| 14:53.37 | greycat | mufa: man tar |
| 14:53.42 | xk | those pc games were shit. |
| 14:53.44 | trand | hmm... what program would you recommend to edit .mid file? |
| 14:53.58 | directhex|work | xk, i think classics like doom and monkey island would disagree |
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| 14:54.47 | zarchne | xk: maybe the 5:4 ratio is so that you can have gnome panels at the top and bottom and still have 4:3 in the remaining space. |
| 14:54.53 | ricky_clarkson | zarchne: Hehe. |
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| 14:55.15 | xk | zarchne: and how would you go about video 4:3 video files without black bars? |
| 14:55.22 | xk | er, s/video/viewing/ |
| 14:55.35 | directhex|work | xk, scale them and quit worrying, that works for most people |
| 14:55.45 | xk | I thought I had coastered the dvd with cdrecord-prodvd... but it looks ok :) |
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| 14:56.09 | zarchne | xk: black bars are okay, just don't use the "N" word in them. |
| 14:56.20 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 14:56.22 | xk | I don't want an extra 64 lines of pixels... I want 4:3 ratio! |
| 14:56.28 | directhex|work | xk, the pixels are non-square. a dvd image scaled to 1024x768 or 1280x1024 is pretty irrelevant, as long as it's scaled to a 17"/15" screen with the same physical aspect ratio |
| 14:56.33 | ricky_clarkson | If you scale 4:3 to 5:4 does it look narrower or wider? |
| 14:56.46 | directhex|work | xk, so run in 1280x960, with 64 missing pixels, and shut the hell up |
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| 14:57.04 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, it doesn't matter, the X * Y are the same |
| 14:57.27 | xk | directhex|work: why don't you shut the fuck up and admit that 1280x1024 is a design fuck up by people who think it's 4:3 ratio. |
| 14:57.36 | FieldySnuts | @troll xk |
| 14:57.46 | greycat | I'm sure the designers are quite aware it's not 4:3 |
| 14:57.47 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Calm down. Before I blow your bloody head off. |
| 14:58.00 | Gathond | xk: I'm pretty sure they knew that:) |
| 14:58.03 | directhex|work | greycat, lies, they typo'd |
| 14:58.06 | stew | happy friday |
| 14:58.15 | alfatau | hi, how can i force mail to fail? (not to receive UNDELIVERED MAIL...., but obtain a mail return status error) |
| 14:58.28 | directhex|work | greycat, i've been screamed at before over this, last time i was lying that 1280x1024 screens existed, the 6-odd manufacturers i bothered to point out had all typo'd |
| 14:58.38 | ricky_clarkson | alfatau: mail fuck@you.com? |
| 14:58.49 | ricky_clarkson | If you aren't running exim, that won't work. |
| 14:58.52 | stew | alfatau: which mta? |
| 14:59.09 | alfatau | ricky_clarkson: mail doesn't fails. i receive a mail delivery error |
| 14:59.18 | greycat | !mail tutorial |
| 14:59.18 | dpkg | somebody said mail tutorial was at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 14:59.40 | alfatau | stew: exim4 (but i don't know why i can send mails even if i stop exim4) |
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| 15:00.33 | merlincorey | !love directhex|work |
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| 15:00.40 | stew | alfatau: because receiving mail requires a daemon but sending doesn't |
| 15:00.48 | asg | alfatau: because your injector uses /usr/lib/sendmail |
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| 15:01.14 | alfatau | asg: i 've not sendmail installed |
| 15:01.16 | directhex|work | 8D |
| 15:01.21 | asg | alfatau: ls -l /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 15:01.29 | asg | alfatau: look specifically at where it points |
| 15:01.54 | pack | wts? i did'nt know dpkg was that loose. |
| 15:02.08 | alfatau | asg: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-02-15 22:17 /usr/lib/sendmail -> ../sbin/exim4 |
| 15:02.28 | greycat | !fuck pack |
| 15:02.29 | alfatau | asg: i stopped exim4 |
| 15:02.49 | xk | !start an editor war |
| 15:02.49 | dpkg | vim is known to decrease your lifespan |
| 15:02.51 | alfatau | stew: ah, so mail can't ever fail |
| 15:02.58 | asg | alfatau: and exim provides a sendmail compatible injection system since a lot of scripts and programs are hard coded to expect /usr/{lib,sbin}/sendmail to exist |
| 15:03.18 | ricky_clarkson | !start a language war |
| 15:03.18 | dpkg | csh is better than LITHP |
| 15:03.21 | asg | alfatau: no, stopping exim just stops it from accepting mail on a tcp port, you can still inject mail using /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 15:03.35 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an mta war |
| 15:03.36 | ravenbird | qmail owns |
| 15:03.39 | FieldySnuts | hell no |
| 15:03.52 | jethro | qmail pwnz0rz |
| 15:03.53 | orfeu | what i need for quota on proftpd ? |
| 15:03.55 | alfatau | asg: so, do u know how to be able to stop sending mails? |
| 15:04.08 | drac | postfix rocks |
| 15:04.21 | ricky_clarkson | !start a runlevel war |
| 15:04.21 | dpkg | Runlevel 3 should be the default |
| 15:04.21 | asg | alfatau: configure exim to deliver them to /dev/null |
| 15:04.24 | jethro | exchange über alles |
| 15:04.36 | zarchne | orfeu: disk quota, you mean? |
| 15:04.45 | directhex|work | !start a badger war |
| 15:04.46 | dpkg | mushrooms are better than kawfees |
| 15:04.50 | merlincorey | lol |
| 15:04.53 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a bot war |
| 15:04.55 | ravenbird | Eggdrops may do TCL but RockBot is smooth | <reply> Blootbot kicks every bots ass |
| 15:04.55 | orfeu | no on proftpd i whant to use quota module |
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| 15:05.05 | nSe | what does "poking around" means? |
| 15:05.18 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: literal start a bot war? |
| 15:05.20 | ravenbird | start a bot war is <reply> Eggdrops may do TCL but RockBot is smooth | <reply> Blootbot kicks every bots ass |
| 15:05.38 | asg | alfatau: or if you mean 'stop the queue runner so It only delivers mail when I tell it to', find out which cronjob is starting the queue runner (/etc/cron.d/exim*) and comment it out. |
| 15:05.43 | alfatau | asg: ok, but mail equally won't fail |
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| 15:05.48 | xk | need || |
| 15:05.52 | orfeu | zarchne: no quotas module from the proftpd server |
| 15:05.56 | rrk_ | hi |
| 15:05.56 | FieldySnuts | yeah i know, not worth editing. it's not a war, it has one option. |
| 15:06.11 | rrk_ | how do i start learning linux |
| 15:06.18 | FieldySnuts | you start using it, experimenting |
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| 15:06.23 | FieldySnuts | like anything else |
| 15:06.34 | xk | like drugs |
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| 15:06.36 | xuser | What i else do i have to do besides editing sshd_config to export applications from on box to another? |
| 15:06.45 | ricky_clarkson | !start a religious war |
| 15:06.49 | FieldySnuts | xuser: do you mean ssh X11 tunelling? |
| 15:06.59 | xuser | FieldySnuts: Yeah. |
| 15:07.00 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: heh. |
| 15:07.09 | rrk_ | anybody how do i start learning linux |
| 15:07.12 | asg | alfatau: that made no sense at all. What are you trying to do. |
| 15:07.13 | FieldySnuts | xuser: you also need the -X flag on ssh client |
| 15:07.13 | mikkele | which program can I use to convert ogg files to wav files? |
| 15:07.14 | alfatau | asg: i want mail fails if i try to send mails. but i don't want to receive a delivery status notification error, but i want mail gives an erroneous exit status |
| 15:07.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart rrk_ |
| 15:07.16 | zarchne | rrk_: you have to have a pusher, though. |
| 15:07.21 | greycat | xuser: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:07.40 | FieldySnuts | xuser: unless you're on a lan, -C (compression) is a good idea |
| 15:07.44 | rrk_ | i have pusher too.... |
| 15:07.52 | nSe | rrk_: see this, that's what i'm doing: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 15:07.55 | xuser | FieldySnuts: No. To export Gaim etc.. |
| 15:07.58 | ricky_clarkson | mikkele: sox |
| 15:08.03 | jethro | HAHA |
| 15:08.06 | jethro | export gaim |
| 15:08.09 | FieldySnuts | xuser: i don't understand what you're trying to do |
| 15:08.11 | jethro | xuser: use irssi in screen |
| 15:08.15 | mikkele | ricky_clarkson: thanks |
| 15:08.18 | alfatau | asg: i've to do a script which does some things when mail command fails |
| 15:08.27 | FieldySnuts | the word "export" is confusing me |
| 15:08.32 | Stuttergart | I'm running a box with both stable and unstable apt lines and using pinning |
| 15:08.40 | sml | brb |
| 15:08.40 | resiak | !bobbitt |
| 15:08.40 | Stuttergart | and I would like to be able to do an apt-cache show and tell which versions are for stable and which are for unstable. |
| 15:08.40 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 15:08.40 | stew | !confuse FieldySnuts |
| 15:08.41 | dpkg | No, what was your snake yesterday, FieldySnuts? breeches of the monarchy of tahiti with extra cheese |
| 15:08.44 | FieldySnuts | ack |
| 15:08.48 | Stuttergart | I can't seem to find a way to do that without checking the version #s against packages.debian.org. |
| 15:08.59 | resiak | Stuttergart: See what dpkg just said? |
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| 15:09.12 | rrk_ | thanks |
| 15:09.13 | FieldySnuts | heh confuse and irritate are my favorites |
| 15:09.20 | asg | alfatau: it depends on how you send mail but you could always do ; 'cp /usr/sbin/exim4 /usr/sbin/exim4.orig ; and make a new /usr/sbin/exim4 shell script that returns 1 |
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| 15:09.25 | resiak | FieldySnuts: We noticed :-) |
| 15:09.26 | Stuttergart | resiak: I'm aware of that. That is a risk that we have accepted. |
| 15:09.28 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 15:09.29 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: That makes sense. |
| 15:09.37 | directhex|work | Stuttergart, apt-cache policy. |
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| 15:09.48 | alfatau | asg: ok, thanks.. |
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| 15:09.57 | resiak | Buggerit. |
| 15:09.57 | stew | FieldySnuts: and annoy |
| 15:10.01 | FieldySnuts | now what does he mean by "export gaim", he talked about editing sshd_config so I thought he meant run gaim through an x11 tunnel through ssh. |
| 15:10.05 | xuser | FieldySnuts: Box 1 has Gaim, Box 2 doesn't. I want to run Gaim on Box 2 using the app from box 1. |
| 15:10.10 | xuser | greycat: thanks |
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| 15:10.29 | ricky_clarkson | xuser: ssh -X, x2x |
| 15:10.33 | xuser | FieldySnuts: exactly |
| 15:10.55 | FieldySnuts | xuser: box 1, edit sshd_config to do x11 tunneling etc. restart sshd. log in from box2 with the -X flag passed to ssh. type gaim, it, as well as any other app, should show up on box2 |
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| 15:11.19 | FieldySnuts | if it says no display, echo $DISPLAY , if it has nothing, then you haven't set up sshd_config right or didn't restart sshd |
| 15:11.36 | FieldySnuts | the factoid greycat mentioned covers it all really |
| 15:11.38 | xuser | FieldySnuts: Ah dumb me, didn't restart sshd :D |
| 15:11.43 | FieldySnuts | that'll do it |
| 15:12.14 | Frem | hey, I want to execute some commands whenever I log in with GDM (stuff like setting the background, launching a taskbar, etc). What file do I need to edit to do this? |
| 15:12.14 | airguitar | hey all. i'm running debian sarge and i'm somewhat new to linux. i tried apt-getting the mplayer pkg using a modified sources.list. since it had dependency issues, i compiled it myself. i found a tutorial online to create the deb pkg for it, but i need to remove it entirely from my system. can i just delete the directory or is there anything else i need to do? |
| 15:12.31 | FieldySnuts | hopefully you're on a lan or a moderately fast pipe (both ways), even with ssh compression (-C passed to ssh), x11 is pretty annoyingly slow, vnc (tightvnc) may serve your needs better if that's the case |
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| 15:13.01 | FieldySnuts | which is exactly what I do when i'm at work |
| 15:13.05 | xuser | FieldySnuts: I'm on a lan. Is for running small apps. |
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| 15:13.29 | FieldySnuts | yeah you won't have any problem then, don't use -C it'll just slow you down |
| 15:13.36 | Frem | airguitar: did you compile it with apt-build or something like that? |
| 15:13.41 | FieldySnuts | in fact you'll probably forget it's over the network |
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| 15:14.10 | FieldySnuts | just keep in mind, gaims settings (~/.gaim) will actually be on the system you started it from |
| 15:14.27 | simonrvn | fucking asshole wgetted my entire site |
| 15:14.32 | FieldySnuts | who did |
| 15:14.39 | xk | porn site? |
| 15:14.43 | simonrvn | 80.129.65.220 |
| 15:14.55 | FieldySnuts | why didn't ya stop em, didn't see it in time? |
| 15:15.06 | simonrvn | yeh, just got up |
| 15:15.08 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 15:15.11 | njan | simonrvn, what's your site? |
| 15:15.16 | airguitar | no Frem |
| 15:15.26 | airguitar | i followed the directions on mplayerhq.hu |
| 15:15.34 | resiak | simonrvn: Why so bad? |
| 15:15.35 | FieldySnuts | p508141DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. |
| 15:15.41 | FieldySnuts | t-ipconnect.de no surprise |
| 15:15.44 | njan | remarks: * Abuse Contact: http://www.t-com.de/ip-abuse in case of Spam, * |
| 15:15.44 | njan | remarks: * Hack Attacks, Illegal Activity, Violation, Scans, Probes, etc. * |
| 15:16.06 | FieldySnuts | haha. you think a .de network operator cares about "hack attacks" etc, you're joking to your self. |
| 15:16.28 | njan | FieldySnuts, don't know, I've never dealt with a german operator. |
| 15:16.31 | FieldySnuts | i have to wonder about their clue level anyway, "hack" |
| 15:16.52 | FieldySnuts | anyway it's over nothing he can really do |
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| 15:16.56 | njan | FieldySnuts, my german isn't good enough, I always go straight for american network operators when I've had a lot of network addresses which've been troublesome. |
| 15:17.06 | ricky_clarkson | .de is Germany? That's why I can't get any Carlsberg from them ;( |
| 15:17.14 | Frem | airguitar: then i think you should be able to simply delete the files. I'm not completely sure though. |
| 15:17.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:17.22 | njan | Yeah, still worth noting, though. If the same person is doing it to lots of sites, the ISP might do something, if only because (s)he's wasting their bandwidth. |
| 15:17.32 | airguitar | ok |
| 15:17.37 | airguitar | couldnt hurt anyway |
| 15:17.41 | ricky_clarkson | njan: Germans tend to speak good English. |
| 15:17.45 | airguitar | im going to reinstall it again |
| 15:17.49 | FieldySnuts | The Michigan Treasury Department has sent bills to state residents who purchased cigarettes online to avoid Michigan's high taxes. One pack-a-day smoker received a bill for $2,500 in back taxes. |
| 15:17.56 | njan | ricky_clarkson, they shouldn't have to speak english because I have a problem with their network |
| 15:17.59 | FieldySnuts | heh. don't even tell me these people didn't know what they were doing was wrong. |
| 15:18.10 | njan | ricky_clarkson, if I'm going to communicate with a foreigner, I'm going to at least try and speak their language, and my german is dreadful. |
| 15:18.31 | njan | ricky_clarkson, my french is ok, I've dealt with club internet more than once before. |
| 15:18.58 | thingfish | I wish more people had your sophistication and lack of chauvinism, njan. |
| 15:18.58 | ricky_clarkson | njan: Be realistic. It's not worth the effort. Professionals won't mind English. |
| 15:19.20 | thingfish | that is probably true. |
| 15:19.21 | scytheman | is gdesklets only for gnome? or can you use it. for example, in a simple windowmanager? |
| 15:19.29 | FieldySnuts | personally i long ago gave up on contacting admins/owners about anything but the worst of stuff (like D/DDoS attacks that last for a while), they usually 1) don't care 2) are clueless 3) are in some country that speaks jiggaboo |
| 15:19.36 | boycer | scytheman: I use it in xfce... |
| 15:19.38 | ricky_clarkson | scytheman: Gnome is not a window manager. |
| 15:19.39 | thingfish | actually most people who know a second language love getting the chance to use it. |
| 15:19.43 | scytheman | ricky_clarkson, i know |
| 15:19.47 | njan | ricky_clarkson, I think it's worth the effort; I hate the hundreds of thousands of people from my country who go abroad and *expect* other people to speak english. |
| 15:19.47 | scytheman | boycer, ok, thanks |
| 15:19.50 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: and it's not simple, either |
| 15:19.52 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: 3 = kansas? |
| 15:19.59 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 15:20.11 | green_earz | airguitar: did you produce a .deb from the mplayer source ? if so i would say that you should be able to remove it with apt-get. can you find the package you made in aptitude ? |
| 15:20.14 | thingfish | kansas city, here |
| 15:20.24 | FieldySnuts | i'm sorry |
| 15:20.24 | sussudio | !fist thingfish |
| 15:20.26 | greycat | green_earz: more likely, remove it with dpkg |
| 15:20.30 | FieldySnuts | oh geez |
| 15:20.33 | thingfish | ooh, that felt good! |
| 15:20.35 | green_earz | yes |
| 15:20.40 | ricky_clarkson | njan: It's not worth it for minor stuff. |
| 15:20.52 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: making more friends? |
| 15:20.54 | njan | ricky_clarkson, there's nothing which makes my stomach churn more than sitting in a pub in france listening to another english person try and use their four mangled words of french from high school to order a coffee. |
| 15:20.59 | scytheman | mh, damn, gdesklets depends on gnome |
| 15:21.11 | FieldySnuts | hence the "g".... |
| 15:21.15 | ricky_clarkson | njan: That's my point. |
| 15:21.29 | njan | ricky_clarkson, ? |
| 15:21.29 | airguitar | green_earz: no, not yet. i just compiled the source. no packages involved |
| 15:21.30 | ricky_clarkson | njan: Anyway, un cafe au lait, when you're ready, garcon. |
| 15:21.32 | scytheman | FieldySnuts, the g could also stand for gtk |
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| 15:21.34 | sussudio | njan: TWO COFFEE PLEASE! |
| 15:21.45 | scytheman | it wouldn't make sense, but... |
| 15:21.47 | ricky_clarkson | njan: Shit $foreign is worse than good English to somebody who can speak both. |
| 15:21.48 | airguitar | green_earz: because of that my apt-get is screwing up |
| 15:21.51 | thingfish | cappucino works in any language |
| 15:21.51 | sussudio | they understand when you shout. |
| 15:22.04 | njan | ricky_clarkson, yeah, exactly. |
| 15:22.07 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: plenty i can do now: |
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| 15:22.37 | usn | qwak |
| 15:22.38 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: yeah like block 8*.0.0.0/8 , bunch of kiddies |
| 15:22.38 | njan | ricky_clarkson, but I don't think foreigners should have to speak my language, so I endeavour to speak theirs as well as I can :) |
| 15:22.40 | simonrvn | RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Wget.*$ [NC,OR] ; RewriteRule ^.*$ - [G,L] |
| 15:22.49 | sussudio | greycat: SieRRa looks like a good reason to /cycle |
| 15:22.51 | simonrvn | and iptables rules |
| 15:23.06 | FieldySnuts | yeah he's in #redhat |
| 15:23.07 | njan | ricky_clarkson, there was a point (for each language, not all at the same time) at which I was fairly decent at Czech, Polish, German and French. |
| 15:23.18 | thingfish | I love foreign languages, they're so interesting. |
| 15:23.25 | njan | thingfish, agreed. |
| 15:23.30 | ricky_clarkson | njan: eeeef I spik een a foreign accent I might bee ebbel to kommuneecit. |
| 15:23.33 | thingfish | I got my BA in russian |
| 15:23.34 | sussudio | !boeni thingfish |
| 15:23.34 | dpkg | thingfish: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
| 15:23.37 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: user agent : "Wget/1.9+cvs-stable (Red Hat modified)" |
| 15:23.41 | green_earz | airguitar: dose dpkg -L mplayer say any thing |
| 15:23.43 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: heh lame |
| 15:23.46 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: no, you just have to shout very loudly and slowly. |
| 15:23.48 | sussudio | in soviet russia, BA gets you |
| 15:24.03 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: anybody with a clue can use the -U option to wget, but that excludes most redhat users. |
| 15:24.09 | airguitar | green_earz, yeah. it says it's not installed |
| 15:24.14 | greycat | FieldySnuts: why bother? |
| 15:24.16 | sussudio | greycat: it's a spambot. |
| 15:24.16 | quitte | can someone using distcc help me? i want to know if gcc --version should respond with the gcc version on the client |
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| 15:24.24 | lestest | how do I see a mailer for a certain domain? |
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| 15:24.30 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: heh |
| 15:24.33 | FieldySnuts | greycat: to get around the same ReWrite filters simonrvn is usin |
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| 15:24.39 | sussudio | ktnx |
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| 15:24.41 | thingfish | hehe I love those "in soviet russia" things... |
| 15:24.50 | green_earz | airguitar: can you run apt-get update ok ? |
| 15:24.50 | lestest | sorry I mean how can I get ip addresso for a mailer of a given domani? |
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| 15:25.04 | pokgai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.04 | pokgai | <pokgai> cp: cannot create directory `/glftpd/site/incoming/animedvdr2/10.Little.Asians.8.XXX.DVDrip.XviD-XCiTE': Input/output error |
| 15:25.05 | greycat | thingfish: in Korea, only old people make soviet russia jokes! |
| 15:25.11 | thingfish | hehe |
| 15:25.13 | simonrvn | netvigator.com is known for spamming |
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| 15:25.18 | FieldySnuts | very very well known |
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| 15:25.34 | simonrvn | i almost said 'notorious' :) |
| 15:25.43 | greycat | pokgai: check dmesg for disk errors. |
| 15:25.48 | airguitar | green_earz, yes. apt-get works fine. i installed mplayer from the source. this is why it's not showing up in apt-get. |
| 15:25.48 | sussudio | pokgai: your filesystem refuses to allocate pr0n? |
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| 15:26.13 | pokgai | yes it says /dev/hdc1 i/o error |
| 15:26.21 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure it says more than that in logs |
| 15:26.26 | FieldySnuts | also df -h |
| 15:26.27 | greycat | pokgai: time to replace it. |
| 15:26.36 | dmz | anyone know the site that hold archives of old deb packages? |
| 15:26.36 | pokgai | let me see |
| 15:26.45 | greycat | dmz: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 15:26.59 | pokgai | noting in messages |
| 15:27.02 | FieldySnuts | most filesystems reserve about 5% free space for root anyway |
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| 15:27.18 | zarchne | pokgai: /dev/hdc is a hard disk, right? |
| 15:27.21 | pokgai | yes |
| 15:27.24 | pokgai | ofcourse |
| 15:27.27 | pokgai | it format fine |
| 15:27.33 | zarchne | pokgai: just checking. |
| 15:27.37 | green_earz | airguitar: and you have not yet compiled it yet ? |
| 15:27.42 | FieldySnuts | wait, hdc i/o error or hdcN i/o where N is a number? |
| 15:27.46 | pokgai | i copy 800MEG then after that it just can't copy anything on it anymore.. |
| 15:28.00 | pokgai | its /dev/hdc1 |
| 15:28.10 | FieldySnuts | well, df -h see if it's full |
| 15:28.11 | pokgai | 400GIG HD |
| 15:28.14 | pokgai | NO |
| 15:28.17 | airguitar | green_earz, i have compiled and installed it. i want to uninstall it so that i can try installing it using a .deb pkg so apt-get doesnt get so screwed up |
| 15:28.18 | FieldySnuts | okay don't, nevermind |
| 15:28.20 | pokgai | not full... |
| 15:28.25 | greycat | pokgai: CHECK DMESG FOR ERRORS. |
| 15:28.28 | pokgai | using 2% |
| 15:28.42 | FieldySnuts | i don't feel like pulling teeth right now.. |
| 15:28.44 | greycat | fucking idiots. |
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| 15:28.49 | greycat | !input/output error |
| 15:28.52 | FieldySnuts | maybe later when Phated is here :P |
| 15:28.53 | directhex|work | pokgai, what's the motherboard chipset? |
| 15:28.55 | xk | run smartctl |
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| 15:29.19 | FieldySnuts | ah yes there you go, smartctl -a /dev/hdc | less look for errors , also try a short then long test (man smartctl, i forget how) |
| 15:29.20 | pokgai | no error.. |
| 15:29.28 | greycat | dpkg, input/output error is <reply> When you see one of these while reading or writing from/to a local hard drive, it's time to buy a new hard drive. Check dmesg(8) for more details with which to frighten your friends. |
| 15:29.29 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:29.29 | pokgai | its intel D865 model |
| 15:29.33 | FieldySnuts | do smartctl -al /dev/hdc after those tests are done too |
| 15:29.43 | FieldySnuts | er, smartctl -a (not -al) |
| 15:29.46 | directhex|work | pokgai, sounds like a disk error then. backup & bail NOW |
| 15:29.58 | pokgai | but why doesn't it crash the server? |
| 15:30.00 | FieldySnuts | this is true if it's important, backup now |
| 15:30.08 | greycat | intel makes disks?!? |
| 15:30.09 | xk | pokgai: because it's not windows? |
| 15:30.10 | pokgai | i mean usually if a disk is bad it'll crash the server right? or am i wrong? |
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| 15:30.25 | stew | pokgai: you are wrong |
| 15:30.26 | pokgai | its seagate |
| 15:30.26 | FieldySnuts | depends on a lot of things, but the main thing now is if it's important, back it up, then worry about this |
| 15:30.35 | pokgai | i see.. |
| 15:30.41 | pokgai | its not important just a bunch of porn |
| 15:30.42 | pokgai | :) |
| 15:30.42 | FieldySnuts | didn't know seagate made past 200GB yet |
| 15:30.50 | pokgai | yes 400GB |
| 15:30.55 | pokgai | i brough it at compUSA |
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| 15:31.20 | FieldySnuts | anway do the smartctl stuff next. check logs etc. bbl |
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| 15:31.53 | pokgai | what should i look for in smartctl -a filednusts? |
| 15:32.09 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: filednuts is you? |
| 15:32.14 | green_earz | airguitar: have you the url in your apt-source list for mplayer ? > deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main if so try a apt-get -s install mplayer the -s will simulate a install |
| 15:32.22 | pokgai | i see alot of errrors.. |
| 15:32.26 | tarzeau | FieldySnuts: at least he didn't call you folderdonuts |
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| 15:32.38 | pokgai | Error condition: 33 Error State: 3 |
| 15:32.38 | pokgai | Number of Hours in Drive Life: 2153 (life of the drive in hours) |
| 15:32.51 | xk | it sounds borked. |
| 15:33.03 | greycat | back up what you can, replace it, restore the data. |
| 15:33.10 | FieldySnuts | pokgai: can you stick the whole output of smartctl -a /dev/hdc to a pastebin somewhere? |
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| 15:33.25 | FieldySnuts | generally if smartctl says there are errors, it's a goner |
| 15:33.35 | pokgai | damit!!! |
| 15:33.44 | pokgai | u mess me up |
| 15:33.44 | xk | how old is it? |
| 15:33.45 | ricky_clarkson | !damn it |
| 15:33.46 | pokgai | it crash my server :( |
| 15:33.48 | FieldySnuts | but paste the output. |
| 15:33.53 | xk | paste the temperature of the drive |
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| 15:34.07 | FieldySnuts | that would be in smartctl -a output , so when he sticks it on a pastebin we'll see |
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| 15:34.18 | Gul | hi, is there a way that i can list all PIDs from the processlist which belong to a certain process group (PGIDs) with the ps command? I tried `ps -g 123 -o pid=`, but it doesn't work. |
| 15:34.18 | pokgai | where can i paste this at?? |
| 15:34.25 | stew | !paster |
| 15:34.25 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 15:34.32 | FieldySnuts | that works |
| 15:34.32 | ricky_clarkson | paste 6 lines of text really quickly and get kicked. Please. |
| 15:34.38 | airguitar | green_earz: yes i have it in my apt-get sources |
| 15:34.38 | green_earz | airguitar: remenber to apt-get update if the mplayer url is new to the apt soucre list |
| 15:34.51 | FieldySnuts | heh. gwar - linux penguin attack |
| 15:34.55 | FieldySnuts | oddballs. |
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| 15:35.01 | airguitar | green_earz: i always apt-get update |
| 15:35.20 | pokgai | did anyone get that?? |
| 15:35.22 | pokgai | damit |
| 15:35.23 | pokgai | i flood |
| 15:35.28 | ricky_clarkson | pokgai: No, thankfully. Don't flood. |
| 15:35.43 | FieldySnuts | yeah, we said to use a pastebin, the bot said where to go, you're just not following instructions too well |
| 15:35.50 | stew | pokgai: http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:35.50 | pokgai | where? |
| 15:36.08 | FieldySnuts | drop it there, and a bot here will give us the url, in this channel |
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| 15:36.22 | pokgai | http://channels.debian.net/paste/277 |
| 15:36.23 | ricky_clarkson | mIRC saved us from the flood. |
| 15:36.23 | xk | should md5sum of a dvd-r (/dev/hdc) be the same as the file image? |
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| 15:36.26 | pokgai | please check it out now.. |
| 15:36.34 | pokgai | tell me if the HD is bad.. |
| 15:36.40 | greycat | xk: one would hope so. |
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| 15:36.47 | green_earz | airguitar then try a apt-get -s install mplayer this will just simulate a install of mplayer just to see if it will go on. its idears here sorry |
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| 15:37.06 | xk | greycat: it's different. but I did find -exec md5sum ...., but it's 100% good. |
| 15:37.18 | pokgai | can anyone see my paste bin?? |
| 15:37.18 | pokgai | http://channels.debian.net/paste/277 |
| 15:37.24 | FieldySnuts | yes, geez, wait |
| 15:37.28 | pokgai | k |
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| 15:37.32 | xk | on 2.4.x/cdrecord-prodvd it used to produce the same. |
| 15:37.49 | stew | huh, paster isn't in #debian |
| 15:37.50 | FieldySnuts | those aren't errors, they are lists of the error logging it can do. what you want to do is smartctl -t short /dev/hdc , that will do a short test on the drive |
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| 15:38.18 | FieldySnuts | then once in a while do smartctl -a /dev/hdc , near the bottom it will tell you if the test is still in progress, or done |
| 15:38.23 | xk | pokgai: temperature of the drive is 63C, hah. |
| 15:38.23 | FieldySnuts | so tell us when it's done |
| 15:38.27 | xk | pokgai: no wonder it's dying. |
| 15:38.30 | FieldySnuts | wow, i didn't see that |
| 15:38.39 | ricky_clarkson | "ATA Error Count: 168" |
| 15:38.40 | airguitar | green_earz: i pasted the output in #flood |
| 15:38.49 | GaveUp | aynone familiar with arno's firewall scripts? I have it setup to forward a series of ports to a certain machine on the lan (port 5800 to 192.168.0.2) ... i start the firewall and it says it's forwarding the ports and all that but the connections from the internet are still refused...any ideas? |
| 15:38.55 | FieldySnuts | am I blind? I don't see the temp |
| 15:39.00 | Schlafschwein | kx: false. |
| 15:39.12 | ricky_clarkson | "(194)Temperature 0x0022 035 040 000 63" |
| 15:39.14 | FieldySnuts | that's *raw* value, not necessarily C or F |
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| 15:39.15 | pokgai | is that HOT?? |
| 15:39.31 | ricky_clarkson | pokgai: Cooler than a cup of tea, warmer than the Sahara. |
| 15:39.31 | FieldySnuts | install hddtemp , then hddtemp /dev/hdc |
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| 15:39.39 | pokgai | WTF!!! |
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| 15:39.46 | pokgai | don't be joking me |
| 15:39.49 | Schlafschwein | its 35°C most probably |
| 15:39.49 | greycat | gods, hp-ux is so stupid sometimes. |
| 15:39.50 | xk | Schlafschwein: we'll see. |
| 15:39.51 | pokgai | is 63 good?? |
| 15:39.52 | greycat | v1098763102d44.mpg: awk program text |
| 15:40.00 | xk | 35C is like >90F. |
| 15:40.00 | FieldySnuts | pokgai: do what I was talking about above with smartctl -t |
| 15:40.07 | pokgai | i can't!! |
| 15:40.12 | pokgai | the server froze up |
| 15:40.14 | pokgai | i can ping it |
| 15:40.15 | pokgai | but can't ssh in |
| 15:40.16 | FieldySnuts | LISTEN TO ME: that 63 is a RAW number, it is probably NOT C or F |
| 15:40.22 | hyde | what's the diff between motifzone.net and opengroup.org/openmotif????? |
| 15:40.25 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Probably not Kelvin either. |
| 15:40.26 | FieldySnuts | well, i can't help if we can't get that info |
| 15:40.27 | pokgai | field ok |
| 15:40.38 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, probably not. it MIGHT be, hitachi deathstars run HOT |
| 15:40.50 | FieldySnuts | it's not a hitachi or ibm, it's a seagate |
| 15:40.56 | beth | mmm deathstar |
| 15:40.57 | green_earz | airguitar: try it with out the -586 exstention |
| 15:40.58 | ricky_clarkson | Why are WE using occasional CAPITAL LETTERS? |
| 15:41.06 | beth | ricky_clarkson: for EMPHASIS! |
| 15:41.10 | FieldySnuts | anyway if you manage to get back in there, do the smartctl -t and stuff I mentioned, this is the info that's needed |
| 15:41.13 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. I *see*. |
| 15:41.26 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, all the COOL kids do! |
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| 15:41.59 | stew | airguitar: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:42.01 | ricky_clarkson | i HATE cAPS lOCK BECAUSE IT IS ONLY USEFUL FOR fortran. |
| 15:42.10 | FieldySnuts | or old BASIC |
| 15:42.19 | ricky_clarkson | No, old BASIC was unfussy. |
| 15:42.20 | Zvpun | why does open(STDIN, "find|"); not work and how would I connect the output of a program to stdin (like exec < <(find) in bash) |
| 15:42.36 | pokgai | thx |
| 15:42.38 | pokgai | HD is dead |
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| 15:42.41 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, don't MAKE me pgif77 your ASS! |
| 15:42.47 | FieldySnuts | that sucks. if it's new, definately bring it back |
| 15:43.01 | airguitar | green_earz: it says mplayer is a virtual pkg and it lists me four items mplayer-nogui, mplayer-k6, mplayer-386, and mplayer-586 |
| 15:43.07 | pokgai | forgot it |
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| 15:43.07 | pokgai | when a i/o error occurs its most likely MESS UP |
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| 15:43.11 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Perl? #perl |
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| 15:43.14 | airguitar | stew: debian sarge testing |
| 15:43.14 | FieldySnuts | when you get a new one, install hddtemp , and find out that drive's temperature after it's been running a while |
| 15:43.17 | directhex|work | i remember microsoft qbasic. it rocked! |
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| 15:43.38 | FieldySnuts | if it is indeed running in the 60C range, that will certainly kill a drive quickly |
| 15:43.38 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: yeah, i thought I was actually in perl, i am sorry |
| 15:43.42 | Delicates | anyone knows how to mount SMB so it reads cyrillic file names? |
| 15:44.03 | directhex|work | Delicates, what is the remote file system's locale? |
| 15:44.04 | FieldySnuts | and if the drive is running in the 60C range, i'd be very worried about the rest of the system melting too |
| 15:44.08 | bbrazil | ms qbasic used to uppercase keywords for you |
| 15:44.20 | Delicates | directhex|work: I'm not sure, it's Windows |
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| 15:44.22 | FieldySnuts | nibbles! |
| 15:44.24 | directhex|work | Delicates, i.e. is it a winnt5, or msdos based server? |
| 15:44.24 | FieldySnuts | gorilla |
| 15:44.32 | ricky_clarkson | bbrazil: Yes, the editor did. |
| 15:44.35 | stew | airguitar: paste your sources.list somewhere (not here) |
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| 15:44.47 | Delicates | directhex|work: Win2K |
| 15:44.48 | pokgai | hahahaahahahahahhaha |
| 15:44.51 | ricky_clarkson | I believe you could use QBasic without the editor somehow. |
| 15:45.00 | pokgai | cuz i was copying some stuff |
| 15:45.02 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, qbasic /run foo.bas |
| 15:45.04 | basti | someone knows how to use tksamba? |
| 15:45.08 | green_earz | airguitar: i think this is the one you are looking for. mplayer-386 see what is say with apt-get -s install |
| 15:45.12 | pokgai | i was testing the HD |
| 15:45.13 | FieldySnuts | @lart tk* |
| 15:45.25 | ricky_clarkson | pokgai: Please tell us in one line, not 50. |
| 15:45.26 | FieldySnuts | grr ravenbird went away again |
| 15:45.27 | pokgai | what program do i need to test the temperature of a HD? |
| 15:45.29 | bbrazil | ricky_clarkson: I think it was more that you could use the editor without qbasic, long time ago though |
| 15:45.30 | pokgai | hddtemp? |
| 15:45.31 | ricky_clarkson | hddtemp |
| 15:45.36 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 15:45.37 | directhex|work | Delicates, ask me when i get home, i have what i suspect is the correct syntax on my home pc |
| 15:45.38 | pokgai | can i do a apt-get hddemp |
| 15:45.49 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get install hddtemp probably. |
| 15:45.50 | Delicates | ok |
| 15:45.54 | pokgai | ok thx |
| 15:45.57 | ricky_clarkson | I don't think apt-get has a hddtemp command. |
| 15:46.03 | FieldySnuts | /dev/hde: ST3200822A: 33 C |
| 15:46.06 | FieldySnuts | that's quite normal |
| 15:46.14 | FieldySnuts | so i sure hope you don't see 63 C |
| 15:46.22 | pokgai | hahahaahahahha |
| 15:46.23 | pokgai | i seee |
| 15:46.28 | pokgai | thx for the advise |
| 15:46.28 | secher | what do I need to do in order to be able to mount a DVD in my Debian box from another system as a network drive? |
| 15:46.31 | FieldySnuts | /dev/hdf: WDC WD400BB-00CLB0: drive is sleeping |
| 15:46.33 | FieldySnuts | er crap |
| 15:46.36 | pokgai | how do i check the temperate of a HD again?? |
| 15:46.40 | sml | secher: samba |
| 15:46.41 | stew | green_earz: if he can't install -586, he won't be able to install -386, somehting in his sources is messed up |
| 15:46.43 | takatumi | mine goes upto 63C during prolonged periods of compiling |
| 15:46.44 | FieldySnuts | hddtemp /dev/hdc |
| 15:46.47 | secher | sml: thought so.. thanks. |
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| 15:46.50 | ricky_clarkson | pokgai: man hddtemp |
| 15:46.51 | sml | secher: erm... sorry the other system is windows right ? |
| 15:46.57 | pokgai | i see thx |
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| 15:47.00 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: that's not safe, and will significantly decrease it's life |
| 15:47.03 | BucWheat | i would like to modprobe <module> at bootup what file do i put this in on debian? in rh it was rc.local does the same apply here ? |
| 15:47.03 | airguitar | stew: i pasted in #flood |
| 15:47.04 | cat | how can i autostar a programm ? |
| 15:47.07 | ricky_clarkson | /dev/hda: Maxtor 6E040L0: 28°C |
| 15:47.07 | pokgai | is 63 normal??? |
| 15:47.16 | pokgai | if its doing huge copy |
| 15:47.18 | FieldySnuts | pokgai: no, almost twice normal |
| 15:47.20 | pokgai | for like 30mins |
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| 15:47.26 | FieldySnuts | 63 will kill most hardware |
| 15:47.26 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Don't be silly. |
| 15:47.31 | pokgai | i seee |
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| 15:47.34 | green_earz | stew: thanks |
| 15:47.37 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: 100C is not double 50C. |
| 15:47.37 | cat | how can i autostar a programm ? |
| 15:47.43 | greycat | cat: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 15:47.46 | airguitar | green_earz: i get the same output as with 586 |
| 15:47.51 | FieldySnuts | i'm not a metric expert, so no i don't know |
| 15:47.51 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: bah. jumped in at the wrong time, was thinking of the processor temp ;-/ |
| 15:47.55 | FieldySnuts | wnt to convert that to Kelvin for me? |
| 15:48.09 | greycat | BucWheat: put the module name in /etc/modules |
| 15:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | !(100+273)/(50+273) |
| 15:48.12 | dpkg | 1.15479876161 |
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| 15:48.18 | FieldySnuts | i was kidding. |
| 15:48.18 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 15:48.20 | ricky_clarkson | Omg! That's 15% more! |
| 15:48.23 | directhex|work | Delicates, which kernel do you run, and which locale |
| 15:48.24 | directhex|work | ? |
| 15:48.25 | green_earz | airguitar: did you see what stew: said ? |
| 15:48.25 | FieldySnuts | /dev/hdf: WDC WD400BB-00CLB0: no sensor |
| 15:48.28 | FieldySnuts | what a peice of dung. |
| 15:48.33 | NaturalRoots | someone have howto for postfix+postgresql in debian |
| 15:48.33 | FieldySnuts | good thing it's just a backup drive |
| 15:48.34 | BucWheat | greycat i'm going to that file now |
| 15:48.34 | NaturalRoots | ?? |
| 15:48.41 | pokgai | yup |
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| 15:48.48 | Delicates | directhex|work: latest, and UTF-8 |
| 15:48.53 | cat | can i do it with crontab |
| 15:48.54 | cat | ? |
| 15:49.09 | FieldySnuts | that 33C drive will pry be 23C or so when i put it in it's cage, just sitting at the bottom of the case for now |
| 15:49.23 | FieldySnuts | then it'll have a nice fan blowing directly over it |
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| 15:49.33 | directhex|work | Delicates, good. i think windows nt5 uses utf-16 by default, so you just need your mount syntax set up to translate. or you could mount with -t cifs instead of -t smbfs, which will do it automatically but is pretty buggy in my experience |
| 15:49.44 | ricky_clarkson | How do I find my CPU temperature? |
| 15:49.46 | airguitar | green_earz: yes. |
| 15:49.53 | FieldySnuts | lm-sensors |
| 15:49.57 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, apt-get install lm-sensors && sensors_detect && sensors |
| 15:50.14 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: with acpi, acpi -t |
| 15:50.20 | FieldySnuts | mine (smp) run at around 110F (you do the conversion) |
| 15:50.30 | FieldySnuts | oh I didn't know you could do that with acpi |
| 15:50.31 | ricky_clarkson | acpi is a rude word on Linux isn't it? |
| 15:50.36 | FieldySnuts | too bad I don't have it enabled (very unstable on smp) |
| 15:50.36 | takatumi | Thermal 1: ok, 49.0 degrees C |
| 15:50.59 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: works flawlessly here. |
| 15:51.09 | cat | how can i put a program with contrab? |
| 15:51.18 | ricky_clarkson | ricky@ricky:~$ sudo sensors |
| 15:51.19 | ricky_clarkson | No sensors found! |
| 15:51.19 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, acpi is fine on linux. it's a question of how much $foomannufacturer decides to follow the spec |
| 15:51.22 | cat | how can i do it to startup every 5 hours? |
| 15:51.32 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, sensors-detect! |
| 15:51.35 | ricky_clarkson | cat: */5 in the hours column. |
| 15:51.35 | greycat | man crontab; man 5 crontab |
| 15:51.37 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: I did that. |
| 15:51.40 | FieldySnuts | scsi array at work at 25C, that's a bit high considering the room is very cold |
| 15:51.45 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, erm... reboot? :x |
| 15:51.49 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: No. |
| 15:51.50 | greycat | warning: 24 is not evenly divisible by 5. |
| 15:51.54 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, or modprobe the right things? |
| 15:51.54 | Delicates | directhex|work: utf-16 gave less weird results! still weird though |
| 15:52.02 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: Don't be silly. |
| 15:52.11 | cat | greycat: how would the command be? |
| 15:52.12 | FieldySnuts | then again maybe not, 15KRPM drives (8 of them) |
| 15:52.16 | FieldySnuts | lotta heat there |
| 15:52.19 | greycat | cat: man 5 crontab |
| 15:52.22 | directhex|work | Delicates, something like codepage=unicode,iocharset=utf-8,unicode |
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| 15:52.23 | cat | i know |
| 15:52.24 | sml | cat: man crontab |
| 15:52.27 | SchroedingersCat | anybody know anything about font rendering in debian? |
| 15:52.37 | Stuttergart | XFS support for 2.4.x? What is the last kernel version supported in the 2.4.x series? |
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| 15:52.44 | Stuttergart | XFS w/ ACL that is. |
| 15:52.50 | ZyX | i have a root server with ssh and serial console access and want to install a fresh sarge there.. whats the preferred method, /debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/hd-media ? |
| 15:52.57 | ricky_clarkson | There we are then. |
| 15:53.07 | ricky_clarkson | A solution to the indeterminate physics thing. |
| 15:53.15 | ricky_clarkson | SchroedingersCat was on IRC at the time after all. |
| 15:53.26 | SchroedingersCat | lol ricky_clarkson |
| 15:53.27 | SchroedingersCat | :) |
| 15:53.28 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 15:53.32 | FieldySnuts | that's great |
| 15:53.48 | SchroedingersCat | :) |
| 15:53.51 | Delicates | directhex|work: hrmmm not quite |
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| 15:54.12 | pokgai | is there a website |
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| 15:54.15 | pokgai | to instal hddtemp? |
| 15:54.18 | pokgai | manually |
| 15:54.22 | ricky_clarkson | pokgai: apt-get install hddtemp |
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| 15:54.27 | ricky_clarkson | pokgai: packages.debian.org |
| 15:54.28 | pokgai | can't |
| 15:54.29 | stew | pokgai: pacakges.debian.org |
| 15:54.30 | TheBlueWizard | SchroedingersCat: oh really? then you must know the solution to the problem of combining quantum mechanics with gravity ;) |
| 15:54.35 | pokgai | i see thx |
| 15:54.38 | pokgai | i want to do it manually |
| 15:54.52 | ricky_clarkson | pokgai: dpkg -i thedeb.deb kind of manually? |
| 15:54.57 | SchroedingersCat | TheBlueWizard, sure...but i'm only a cat, i don't speak english too well |
| 15:54.58 | SchroedingersCat | ;-) |
| 15:55.07 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: i never knew debian was a font renderer |
| 15:55.15 | SchroedingersCat | infodroid, neither did i |
| 15:55.17 | paulswm | pokgai: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:55.21 | basti | what do i have to type for anonymous access via tksmb to access nt shares? |
| 15:55.28 | KrispyKringle | Heya folks. |
| 15:55.31 | stew | SchroedingersCat: ask a more specific question |
| 15:55.32 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: well i don't think it is one |
| 15:55.32 | TheBlueWizard | meow meow miaou purr meow? understand my question better now? ;) |
| 15:55.35 | KrispyKringle | Anyone here used FAI or Replicator? |
| 15:55.40 | pokgai | 3.0 R2 |
| 15:55.40 | SchroedingersCat | infodroid, nor do i |
| 15:55.44 | pokgai | woody |
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| 15:55.50 | SchroedingersCat | stew, ok... |
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| 15:56.12 | SchroedingersCat | when i log on to kde via a display manager, my fonts are fine... |
| 15:56.18 | ricky_clarkson | I think America just woke up and logged on while it made breakfast. |
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| 15:56.25 | SchroedingersCat | when i log on to kde from the console, they are incorect |
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| 15:56.42 | greycat | America hasn't woken up yet. We were awake some time back in the 1930s, I think... |
| 15:56.44 | SchroedingersCat | does anybody know the souce of this problem? |
| 15:56.44 | basti | someone knows how to connect to public nt shares with tksamba? |
| 15:56.49 | paulswm | pokgai: what ricky_clarkson said above re. 'dpkg -i' |
| 15:57.15 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: how are you managing your fonts in X? |
| 15:57.16 | airguitar | green_earz: with your and stew's help, i got it working. the problem was i was using a apt-source which retrieved stable app versions. again, thanks for your time |
| 15:57.18 | FieldySnuts | read tksamba's friggin docs, i doubt anyone has ever heard of it (i haven't), plus it's a shitty tk app, so it's probably very old |
| 15:57.58 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a widget war |
| 15:58.04 | FieldySnuts | uh |
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| 15:58.14 | green_earz | airguitar: nice one and the source of the problem was your apt source list |
| 15:58.15 | SchroedingersCat | infodroid, i've installed them through KDE...the only way i could actually get them to be accessible in KDE |
| 15:58.35 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: thats just pathetic |
| 15:58.38 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: sorry |
| 15:58.59 | SchroedingersCat | well, after installing them the normal way, kde still didn't even knwo about them |
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| 15:59.08 | airguitar | green_earz: yeah. apparently the stable sources gave me the problems |
| 15:59.17 | SchroedingersCat | i had to install them also, through the kde control center |
| 15:59.18 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: answer my original question |
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| 15:59.29 | bassinboy | about home many packages are on debians repositories ? |
| 15:59.38 | sml | 8210 ? |
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| 15:59.51 | sml | more if you include non-free and contrib |
| 15:59.55 | SchroedingersCat | hmmmm...well i can see that infodroid is the typical posterboy of freenode |
| 15:59.58 | SchroedingersCat | (ie...asshole) |
| 15:59.59 | SchroedingersCat | hehe |
| 16:00.09 | bassinboy | oh, so more than portage ? |
| 16:00.14 | green_earz | airguitar: you are runing debian sarge. did you start from a woody cd ? |
| 16:00.21 | airguitar | green_earz: no |
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| 16:00.27 | FieldySnuts | that's a rather silly comparison, they're completely different systems |
| 16:00.29 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: fuck you and stop complaining |
| 16:00.37 | FieldySnuts | infodroid: troll. |
| 16:00.43 | SchroedingersCat | <shrug> |
| 16:00.46 | green_earz | airguitar: from a sarge cd |
| 16:00.54 | airguitar | green_earz: it's my own fault. i edited the sources.list to include as many pkgs as possible, and yes from a sarge cd |
| 16:01.04 | mikkele | do you risk breaking the system if you install some testing packages on an unstable system? |
| 16:01.04 | FieldySnuts | simple solution, try both systems, see what ya like. |
| 16:01.08 | infodroid | SchroedingersCat: don't call me an asshole when you are being cheeky and not answering bloody questions. i am not volunteering to help you for the fun of it. |
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| 16:01.19 | FieldySnuts | heh an unstable system is at risk of being broken 24 hours a day |
| 16:01.21 | infodroid | FieldySnuts: don't you call me a troll for nothing |
| 16:01.27 | sml | infodroid: dont be gay |
| 16:01.28 | SchroedingersCat | infodroid, i don't recall asking you specifically |
| 16:01.30 | FieldySnuts | infodroid: you're proving my point. |
| 16:01.34 | SchroedingersCat | so you have nothing to worry about |
| 16:01.40 | infodroid | k i will cool it |
| 16:01.41 | airguitar | green_earz: i just started using linux about 2-3wks ago and i'm still trying to set everything up nicely |
| 16:01.42 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Gay is not an insult. |
| 16:01.53 | green_earz | airguitar: have you updated the system yet with apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 16:01.54 | sml | ricky_clarkson: no its not. i meant gay in teh Southpark meaning of the word |
| 16:01.56 | ricky_clarkson | infodroid: Please stop, whatever it is. |
| 16:02.03 | sml | gay meaning lame. |
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| 16:02.16 | ricky_clarkson | That's not a generally accepted definition. |
| 16:02.21 | boycer | Oh hell, I'll bite |
| 16:02.23 | boycer | !gay |
| 16:02.23 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 16:02.23 | CodeWarrior_ | hi everybody |
| 16:02.24 | sml | ricky_clarkson: for you perhaps |
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| 16:02.27 | airguitar | green_earz: i'm actually doing that right now |
| 16:02.33 | FieldySnuts | does that mean that I can call somebody an offensive racial slang, then say you can't be mad because I meant it in a nice way? |
| 16:02.34 | ricky_clarkson | sml: For the general English-speaking world. |
| 16:02.36 | FieldySnuts | what a stupid arsed argument. |
| 16:02.37 | BucWheat | sml you gay ? |
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| 16:02.54 | greycat | !gay |
| 16:02.54 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 16:02.56 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I beg do differ. Most of the people I know use it in that sense and they're english. |
| 16:02.59 | FieldySnuts | there it is |
| 16:03.05 | quitte | is it ok to file a bug report to ask for a little change to support for an architecture not yet in debian, or should i write an email directly? |
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| 16:03.06 | green_earz | airguitar: i would stop that just for the moment ctrl c |
| 16:03.08 | sml | BucWheat: I'm afraid I'm not. Sorry to dissapoint. |
| 16:03.13 | FieldySnuts | sml: you're wrong. |
| 16:03.19 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Those people are fuckwits. |
| 16:03.19 | sml | FieldySnuts: I'm wrong about ? |
| 16:03.30 | FieldySnuts | sml: in your case, probably everything |
| 16:03.35 | secher | does stable have support for a linksys wireless nic via the ndis wrapper in the netinst cd? |
| 16:03.39 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I shall tell them when I see them , that a computer geek insulted them. I'm sure they'll be deeply offended. |
| 16:03.40 | BucWheat | sml me either. i was just wondering. i'll shut up now as i do not know what the conversation is really about |
| 16:03.43 | airguitar | green_earz: why stop it? mplayer is done installing. |
| 16:03.44 | green_earz | airguitar: reason being you have the unstable url in the apt source list |
| 16:03.50 | FieldySnuts | secher: since it's ndis, i very much doubt that, get a real card |
| 16:03.52 | airguitar | green_earz: eh ok |
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| 16:04.09 | secher | FieldySnuts: You going to pay for it? |
| 16:04.22 | FieldySnuts | yeah yeah. bring on the excuses to use proprietary shit. |
| 16:04.22 | green_earz | airguitar: just put a # infont of the url unstable |
| 16:04.25 | pipeline | secher: The answer is no. And you're in for a long, unpleasant trip. |
| 16:04.27 | greycat | BucWheat: it's about the destruction of society by adolescent punks. |
| 16:04.36 | airguitar | green_earz: i read somewhere that unstable in debian is somewhat stable |
| 16:04.49 | FieldySnuts | airguitar: somebody typed wrong :P |
| 16:04.51 | secher | pipeline: I'm gathering that. *sigh* Thanks. |
| 16:04.53 | BucWheat | greycat ah i see |
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| 16:05.10 | green_earz | airguitar: use apt-setup to edit your apt source list |
| 16:05.21 | FieldySnuts | now you watch, he'll tell people linux sucks because it doesn't support some lameass windows-only nic. |
| 16:05.23 | sml | greycat: If you want to see the destruction of society by adolescent punks, in the uk, check out chavscum.co.uk. Be afraid. |
| 16:05.29 | FieldySnuts | when the reality is linksys doesn't support linux. jerks. |
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| 16:06.03 | FieldySnuts | "zomg linux does not supprt my win-tv card" wow, ya think? |
| 16:06.09 | infodroid | sml: chavs are not punks |
| 16:06.10 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: linksys wpc11 v3 is natively supported by 2.6 (dunno about 2.4) |
| 16:06.12 | green_earz | airguitar: can you paste your apt source in #flood |
| 16:06.18 | pipeline | I wonder, does Linksys support SCO on their wireless drivers? |
| 16:06.23 | sml | infodroid: What is your meaning of the word punk? |
| 16:06.29 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: heh |
| 16:06.30 | pipeline | I know Linksys has SCO OSR drivers on most of their conventional PCI NIC floppies |
| 16:06.34 | greycat | !chav |
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| 16:06.48 | FieldySnuts | linksys nic's are total shit anyway, not worth touching |
| 16:06.49 | airguitar | green_earz: give me a sec. im editing it |
| 16:06.53 | green_earz | ok |
| 16:06.57 | stew | airguitar: whats wrong now? |
| 16:06.58 | infodroid | sml: the rude people with the funny hair |
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| 16:07.14 | FieldySnuts | me suddenly thinks of Black Flag |
| 16:07.18 | takatumi | pipeline: you the one who charted the debian package movement in that diagram? |
| 16:07.24 | airguitar | stew: nothing. just changing the apt-sources back to stable for upgrading the distro |
| 16:07.29 | pipeline | takatumi: Nope. |
| 16:07.33 | stew | airguitar: you can't use stable |
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| 16:07.42 | stew | airguitar: you installed testing, there is no way to downgrade |
| 16:08.00 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: True, that. Now that low-end 3com NIC's are about 10$ a dozen, I can't understand why anyone buys retail-box Linksys. |
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| 16:08.57 | airguitar | stew: really? even for individual pkgs? what if you wanted a stable version of one pkg then? |
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| 16:09.22 | takatumi | pipeline: thought this was you, apologies. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00678.html |
| 16:09.24 | Noid | !tell airguitar about downgrade |
| 16:09.26 | stew | airguitar: then you need to run the entire stable distribution, you can't mix stable and testing. |
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| 16:10.26 | airguitar | stew: ok so im going to permanently remove the stable lines |
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| 16:10.30 | stew | yes |
| 16:10.32 | stew | i told you to |
| 16:10.35 | green_earz | stew: i am saying that he mite as well use dist-upgrade to bring his system up to date for testing but first # out unstable |
| 16:10.46 | stew | green_earz: he was never on stable, installed sarge |
| 16:10.54 | airguitar | stew: i thought you told me to do it just temporarily for installing mplayer |
| 16:11.02 | takatumi | airguitar: if you want to stabilize on sarge when it goes stable, change testing to read sarge. |
| 16:11.09 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Guess what. I'm a real person too. |
| 16:11.40 | ricky_clarkson | sml: I am English. I don't personally know a single person that uses 'gay' to mean 'lame'. I've only ever seen it online. |
| 16:11.49 | airguitar | takatumi: i dont care if the pkgs are 100% stable. i care that they work |
| 16:12.06 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, it was done when i was at school |
| 16:12.07 | pipeline | sml, ricky_clarkson: I've known lots of people who used it that way. All of them were roughly twelve. |
| 16:12.07 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it's hideously common in the USA. |
| 16:12.23 | stew | airguitar: you should remove both stable and unstable from your sources |
| 16:12.28 | ricky_clarkson | pipeline: Yeah, I remember it as playground 'humour'. |
| 16:12.37 | stew | hideously common for people who are < 16 years old at least |
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| 16:12.51 | takatumi | airguitar: everything works here, i run sid now though, everything worked on sarge as well, for my definition of "work". |
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| 16:13.05 | farphadet | hello all |
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| 16:13.54 | FieldySnuts | lag |
| 16:13.59 | ricky_clarkson | Laggy lag. |
| 16:14.03 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: i think gay=lame is an americanism |
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| 16:14.14 | airguitar | takatumi: what is sid? |
| 16:14.16 | FieldySnuts | no it isn't, i'm an american and it means "homosexual" |
| 16:14.16 | ricky_clarkson | I think it's a stupidism. |
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| 16:14.21 | FieldySnuts | to us anyway |
| 16:14.32 | ricky_clarkson | You fucking homo |
| 16:14.34 | ricky_clarkson | sapiens. |
| 16:14.36 | infodroid | ricky_clarkson: i've only heard it from "cool, dude" types |
| 16:14.41 | FieldySnuts | secondary meaning being happy, but not many use it that way |
| 16:15.00 | DarkFame | ricky_clarkson: it's sapiens sapiens. |
| 16:15.01 | green_earz | airguitar: and when you just have testing in the apt source list do a apt-get apt-get dist-upgrade that will bring your system up to date |
| 16:15.13 | takatumi | !tell airguitar -about releases |
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| 16:15.24 | green_earz | airguitar: sorry apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:15.27 | ricky_clarkson | DarkFame: Why? |
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| 16:15.56 | DarkFame | ricky_clarkson: check your lexicon. |
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| 16:16.05 | Wanderer | anyone having problems upgrading autofs in unstable? |
| 16:16.08 | ricky_clarkson | >dict homo sapiens |
| 16:16.11 | ricky_clarkson | !dict homo sapiens |
| 16:16.12 | asg | Wanderer: the bts would know |
| 16:16.13 | dpkg | Dictionary 'homo sapiens' the only surviving hominid; species to which modern man belongs; bipedal primate having language and ability to make and use complex tools; brain 1400 cc |
| 16:16.22 | ricky_clarkson | DarkFame: Done. Why? |
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| 16:16.35 | DarkFame | !dict homo sapiens sapiens |
| 16:16.37 | dpkg | Dictionary 'homo sapiens sapiens' subspecies of Homo sapiens; includes all modern races |
| 16:16.42 | Wanderer | asg: thanks, looking, not familair with that tool |
| 16:16.43 | FieldySnuts | sheesh, whogivesashit |
| 16:16.43 | DarkFame | see? |
| 16:16.48 | asg | Wanderer: /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:16.59 | thingfish | gosh that dpkg bot is handy |
| 16:17.03 | asg | FieldySnuts: the pedantic? |
| 16:17.04 | Wanderer | yup, saw it in the topic when you said that |
| 16:17.05 | Wanderer | reading |
| 16:17.45 | airguitar | ok. distro is upgraded |
| 16:17.47 | infodroid | "the only surviving hominid", sounds tragic |
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| 16:18.11 | asg | infodroid: there are rumors of earlier hominids living in Georgia |
| 16:18.16 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:18.31 | airguitar | i'm also having a locale problem. i can't seem to get rid of it. i pasted what shows up every time i install a pkg |
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| 16:19.12 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I was on the phone... going back to what you said, you are familiar that people use it in that sense and then claim that you know of no english person that uses it in that sense. I said I did and you decided to insult people you haven't met and made critisicms on their grammar based on single adjective used differently based on lifestyle and exposure to American TV. |
| 16:19.16 | asg | bah, I was hoping there would be a killtheroaminggnome.com |
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| 16:19.31 | airguitar | i also pasted what happens when i try to execute man (it shows the page. but it outputs those errors) |
| 16:19.34 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Yes, and? |
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| 16:19.37 | takatumi | !tell airguitar -about locales |
| 16:19.47 | sml | ricky_clarkson: It was a statement not a question. |
| 16:20.18 | sml | It it were a question I'd have appended a '?'. |
| 16:20.25 | ricky_clarkson | sml: No kidding. |
| 16:20.29 | takatumi | ititit |
| 16:20.32 | thingfish | somebody must've used the word "gay" to mean something negative, judging by the conversation. |
| 16:20.33 | ricky_clarkson | sml: It looks incomplete. Where's the point? |
| 16:20.34 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Seriously I shit you not. |
| 16:20.59 | airguitar | takatumi: i already tried this. i'll do it again jic |
| 16:21.03 | sml | thingfish: Someone got offended by the use of gay when it was obviously not used in the dictionary definition of the term. |
| 16:21.10 | thingfish | ah |
| 16:21.17 | stew | this whole conversation is gay |
| 16:21.19 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Perhaps you dont see the point. |
| 16:21.24 | sml | stew: lol. |
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| 16:21.31 | asg | sml: as if! |
| 16:21.32 | thingfish | I am gay, I hate it when people use that word in that way. |
| 16:21.38 | ricky_clarkson | The point is that 'gay' is offensive when used to mean something other than homosexual. |
| 16:21.52 | greycat | not only offensive, but INTENTIONALLY offensive. |
| 16:21.53 | petemc | like, happy? |
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| 16:22.01 | greycat | petemc: you know full well what we mean. |
| 16:22.08 | ricky_clarkson | happy is a relatively obsolete use. |
| 16:22.09 | sml | rotflol |
| 16:22.15 | airguitar | takatumi: i pasted the output after i ran the cmd |
| 16:22.16 | chugga | ricky, its also slang and i dont think most people think of homosexuals when they use it |
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| 16:22.21 | sml | My god how many trolls are there in here today. |
| 16:22.21 | petemc | i do, im being facetious |
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| 16:22.28 | sml | s/facetious/trolling |
| 16:22.29 | takatumi | airguitar: pasted where? |
| 16:22.31 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: what even a gay day is offensive ? |
| 16:22.32 | greycat | sml: too many. |
| 16:22.40 | greycat | green_earz: archaic. |
| 16:22.44 | airguitar | takatumi: err/... in #flood |
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| 16:23.10 | petemc | sml: im not a troll, if you were in here for any length of time you would know that |
| 16:23.17 | airguitar | takatumi: i pasted again |
| 16:23.19 | airguitar | takatumi: forgot to check if u were there |
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| 16:23.28 | airguitar | petemc: what is a troll? |
| 16:23.32 | green_earz | greycat: is archaic a dance ? |
| 16:23.41 | petemc | !tell airguitar about troll |
| 16:23.42 | ricky_clarkson | It's a kind of cake. |
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| 16:24.06 | snodnipper | I have an rsync issue, rsync (code 23) main.c(632), any ideas? :) |
| 16:24.10 | sml | airguitar: Have you not seen Shrek ? |
| 16:24.12 | thingfish | troll house chocolate chip cookies |
| 16:24.22 | greycat | sml: that's an ogre. |
| 16:24.23 | sml | Oh.. wait that was an Ogre |
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| 16:24.27 | FieldySnuts | snodnipper: there should be more errors just above that, what are they |
| 16:24.31 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Out of interest, which UK town do you hear 'gay'='lame' in? |
| 16:24.31 | sml | Ok LOTR :) |
| 16:24.36 | airguitar | haha. dpkg knows everything |
| 16:24.44 | FieldySnuts | you guys are still debating the gay thing? come on. |
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| 16:24.48 | infodroid | snodnipper: were you compiling it or what? |
| 16:24.48 | airguitar | yeah i saw LOTR |
| 16:24.50 | asg | sml: or LOTD |
| 16:24.58 | sml | LOTD ? |
| 16:25.03 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I'm waiting for it to stop, or for some fuckwit to use it wrong again and get the +b. |
| 16:25.11 | asg | sml: riverdance! |
| 16:25.15 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure the second will happen first |
| 16:25.19 | airguitar | i haven't used irc in awhile so i'm not up-to-date on the slang |
| 16:25.23 | sml | ahhhh! There is a Troll in Riverdance ? |
| 16:25.35 | sml | airguitar: its USENET slang |
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| 16:25.53 | chugga | my problem with this gay thing is that no one complains when its used in regular conversation .. you never come across someone who takes offence. its just the occasional activist who has to take issue with it |
| 16:25.56 | airguitar | sml: i dont use usenet either |
| 16:25.56 | directhex|work | airguitar, http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx can help you |
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| 16:26.03 | thingfish | you mean someone can get banned for using "gay" in a negative sense? that is totally appreciated, I can tell you. |
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| 16:26.20 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: Oldham 'gay'='lame' in? |
| 16:26.20 | sml | ricky_clarkson: This conversation has gone on too long. If someone got offended that I used the word gay in the kevin smith kind of way then I'm sorry. |
| 16:26.24 | thingfish | that's the last I'll say on the subject. |
| 16:26.28 | snodnipper | FieldySnuts/infodroid: I'm running the command again to see what's happening (imaging a drive). I'm obviously doing this as root but from what I can see it was almost like I has permission problems. |
| 16:26.31 | greycat | chugga: the people who are offended by it in real life are probably afraid to speak out lest you murder them like Matthew Shepherd. |
| 16:26.34 | cahoot | thingfish: like using moron in a derogative way? |
| 16:26.45 | sml | airguitar: You should. It's a good source of info. You can even get guitar tabs for your air guitar |
| 16:26.56 | takatumi | airguitar: haven't had that error, check bts |
| 16:26.57 | airguitar | directhex|work: lol. do i seem that out of it? |
| 16:27.05 | farphadet | re |
| 16:27.11 | stew | chugga: what greycat said, people on this channel have said they are offended... |
| 16:27.13 | infodroid | snodnipper: what do you mean you are "imaging a drive", like you are "mirroring it?" |
| 16:27.14 | chugga | greycat, i really wish they'd spoken to me, at least in private because i'd been happy to work it out of my vocabulary ... but its just so entrenched. i dunno. |
| 16:27.18 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: I doubt it. I've been there. |
| 16:27.38 | stew | chugga: why should the burden be on them to have you not be offensive |
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| 16:28.03 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: a comman word in oldham hee by cum your lame, and its a gay day |
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| 16:28.20 | chugga | stew, that is a reasonable stance if you truly believe it. are you that sensitive of others before you speak? |
| 16:28.34 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: s/hee by cum/ee by gum/ |
| 16:28.45 | thingfish | it comes with education, chugga. |
| 16:28.59 | sml | thingfish: education or respect ? |
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| 16:29.04 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: And ee by gum is more common in Lancashire than Greater Manchester anyway. |
| 16:29.28 | takatumi | ee by gum in singapore and get jailed. |
| 16:29.34 | thingfish | with education comes greater understanding, greater respect for diversity. |
| 16:29.38 | chugga | thingfish, indeed. i use the word, i dont particularly think of gays when i say it .. but my cousin used to chastise me when i used it so i gradually stopped, or at least became more conscious when using it. |
| 16:29.52 | snodnipper | infodroid: do you mind if I pm you? |
| 16:30.09 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: yes but Oldham is a world of its own. pall |
| 16:30.09 | sml | thingfish: i know people with a lack of education and a great regard for diversity, empathy and understanding. |
| 16:30.11 | thingfish | chugga: all I can tell you is that using the word in that way is EXTREMELY offensive to gay people. |
| 16:30.16 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: Is that where you are? |
| 16:30.23 | chugga | thingfish, ok |
| 16:30.39 | thingfish | sml: that's true, I do too come to think of it. |
| 16:30.57 | green_earz | just at the side of it ashton-u-l the center of the univers |
| 16:31.01 | airguitar | takatumi: bts says that there is no record of the pkg locale and no bugs filed against it |
| 16:31.11 | thingfish | sml: and I know educated people who are total bastards, too, so so much for what I said. |
| 16:31.23 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: I work at Salford Uni, live in Rusholme. |
| 16:31.34 | sml | thingfish: sometimes education makes people arrogant |
| 16:31.40 | thingfish | sml: very true |
| 16:31.50 | chugga | anyway, we are geeks here, you wont find more tolerant people than them |
| 16:31.50 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: about 7 miles from me |
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| 16:32.01 | sml | ricky_clarkson: My uncle teaches at London Uni |
| 16:32.19 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Riiight, well, I've spent two days in London. Thanks For The Info! |
| 16:32.29 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: Aye. My mate Keith lives in Shaw. |
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| 16:32.49 | directhex|work | 'london uni' is a bit vague |
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| 16:33.13 | sml | directhex|work: Deliberately vague. |
| 16:33.22 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: just down the road a couple of mile ? |
| 16:33.28 | sml | I of course know how many uni's there are in London, thank you very much. |
| 16:33.31 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: Aye. |
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| 16:33.51 | mikkele | do I risk breaking the system if I install a woody package on a sid system? |
| 16:33.54 | SkippedySkop | hey guys, what's the best way of taking two files, and somehow getting the differences between them printed out, most data in there is the same btu there's some entries which are 300 out of 1200, and i need to somehow find out which ones they are? is there a commadn which will do this? |
| 16:34.05 | EvanCarroll | mikkele: no, |
| 16:34.09 | sml | SkippedySkop: man diff |
| 16:34.14 | EvanCarroll | mikkele: only if you install sid on a woody system |
| 16:34.14 | mikkele | good |
| 16:34.15 | SkippedySkop | sml: thanks ;-) |
| 16:34.24 | directhex|work | mikkele, generally not, but i wouldn't replace a sid binary with a woody version if it can be helped |
| 16:34.31 | directhex|work | mikkele, especially libc6 |
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| 16:34.42 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: i was going to manlug last year but not a socialble place for me. |
| 16:34.48 | mikkele | thanks |
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| 16:34.58 | ricky_clarkson | green_earz: Never been. I was invited though. |
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| 16:35.16 | sml | green_earz: A wasted opportunity for a key signing party. |
| 16:35.22 | zambaro1 | hi all. |
| 16:35.27 | sml | Aint no party like a key signing party! |
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| 16:35.37 | chugga | whats a key-signing party? |
| 16:35.49 | sml | !what is openpgp |
| 16:35.50 | dpkg | sml: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:35.59 | green_earz | sml: i know but ? |
| 16:36.03 | sml | Oh well i dunno how you use these bots in 'ere |
| 16:36.12 | thefly | chugga: a party where ppl sign each other's pgp signatures? |
| 16:36.34 | chugga | thefly, why would they do that? |
| 16:36.46 | zambaro1 | surrogate social life. |
| 16:36.53 | sml | zambaro1: lol |
| 16:36.53 | thefly | chugga: because if your signature is signed, then it's reliable |
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| 16:37.14 | chugga | thefly, oh. |
| 16:37.39 | thingfish | gosh, that's what this is, isn't it - a surrogate social life. I suddenly feel greatly saddened. |
| 16:37.42 | stew | chugga: google for web of trust |
| 16:38.14 | green_earz | sml: i will in time i hope. i have been getting to get feel for the gpg and kgpg as made that job just a click |
| 16:38.16 | zambaro1 | um, guys, debian 3.1 64 bit.. im looking here http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ - which one do i want? |
| 16:38.16 | sml | the lug in my area were working on cracking rc5. |
| 16:38.17 | thingfish | but why is it not valid socialization just because we cannot see each other? |
| 16:38.42 | thingfish | socializing, actually |
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| 16:39.08 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: I think of it as a way of venting rage at people who don't matter so that I have none left for people who do matter. |
| 16:39.15 | sml | green_earz: A bug was found in the OpenPGP standard a week ago today. |
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| 16:39.26 | thingfish | ricky_clarkson: that almost sounds healthy. |
| 16:39.26 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: So, um, fuck you. ;) |
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| 16:39.30 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:39.33 | stew | heh |
| 16:39.47 | paulswm | You bastid ricky_clarkson |
| 16:39.50 | paulswm | :) |
| 16:39.59 | sml | green_earz: Quite a find and relevant to gpg... but only a problem if you use gpg in an automated environment and return the output of errors to the attacker. |
| 16:40.23 | simonrvn | !dbugs 295264 |
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| 16:40.27 | dpkg | #295264:G[php4-auth-pam] php4-auth-pam: completely broken, crashes apache on start (sid) |
| 16:40.29 | sml | I like manchester. I go to deansgate locks a fair bit.. |
| 16:40.30 | cld | hello:) i have for example /usr/lib/xxx directory. How make content of this directory (.so files) visable for system ? |
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| 16:40.41 | simonrvn | !maint 295264 |
| 16:40.49 | simonrvn | woops |
| 16:40.56 | simonrvn | !maint php4-auth-pam |
| 16:41.02 | dpkg | php4-auth-pam: Carsten Wolff <carsten@wolffcarsten.de> |
| 16:41.03 | ricky_clarkson | sml: I don't like Deansgate locks. Full of people who wear Ben Sherman shirts, too much aftershave and say gay instead of lame. ;) |
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| 16:41.18 | thingfish | man, what is it about the attraction england has for americans? I really need to get over there sometime and have a look around. |
| 16:41.21 | cld | (visable by apps that requires .so files) |
| 16:41.24 | sml | ricky_clarkson: LOL. |
| 16:41.34 | simonrvn | check out the latest changelog on that ^^^ thing |
| 16:41.37 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: It's not England, it's London. Americans don't leave London. Especially if they like living. |
| 16:41.43 | simonrvn | then go see that bug # |
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| 16:42.02 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:42.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 16:42.12 | simonrvn | fucking idiot |
| 16:42.20 | thingfish | ricky_clarkson: really? you mean it's dangerous in the rest of the country? I've never heard anything like that before. |
| 16:42.26 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: Here be dragons. |
| 16:42.29 | abrotman | simonrvn: sorry |
| 16:42.35 | thingfish | oh ricky_clarkson |
| 16:42.41 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: If you listened to Londoners, you'd believe that the rest of England was barbaric. |
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| 16:42.41 | sml | thingfish: yeah best not leave your car unlocked niether. |
| 16:42.42 | green_earz | sml: what i have been seeing is that encrytion is not talk about in the microsoft world, as genral user i mean |
| 16:42.44 | paulswm | thingfish: You go, enjoy, get out of London, travel, especially enjoy the history, ewhich is probably the main attraction for americans |
| 16:42.46 | simonrvn | not you, the maint for php4-auth-pam |
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| 16:43.02 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: are you saying if i go to england . i can't come visit you ? |
| 16:43.16 | ISkywalker | i got a mplayer error... |
| 16:43.18 | thingfish | paulswm: yes, you're right, I think I'm hungry for something older than 200 years. |
| 16:43.18 | sml | green_earz: Well the SHA-1 paper affects the CAPI.. so I'm sure you will find it relates just as well to the M$ world. Also excel xp uses rc4 ? |
| 16:43.19 | ISkywalker | o compiling... |
| 16:43.20 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Will you bring beer money? |
| 16:43.21 | ISkywalker | on |
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| 16:43.29 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: duh .. what else are americans good for? |
| 16:43.34 | ricky_clarkson | ISkywalker: Install it using apt-get instead then. |
| 16:43.56 | stew | abrotman: do you go anywhere without beer money? |
| 16:43.58 | thingfish | that's what would happen to me, I'd fall in love with some pub's ale and never want to leave. |
| 16:44.10 | sml | Is ISkywalker a Skywalker Interface ? |
| 16:44.11 | abrotman | stew: see above about what americans are good for :) |
| 16:44.14 | ISkywalker | i cant, i have knoppix |
| 16:44.15 | ricky_clarkson | You can get most popular ales in America too, but not easily, I believe. |
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| 16:44.19 | ricky_clarkson | ISkywalker: #knoppix |
| 16:44.20 | paulswm | thingfish: Actually, I miss that about the UK |
| 16:44.28 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: what popular ales? |
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| 16:44.35 | macabre | Can I make an image of an ntfs partition to transfer to another system? |
| 16:44.35 | ISkywalker | well the gcc tells me to tell to debian ppl |
| 16:44.44 | macabre | using Debian |
| 16:44.51 | ISkywalker | Please submit a full bug report. |
| 16:44.53 | ISkywalker | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
| 16:44.55 | ISkywalker | For Debian GNU/Linux specific bug reporting instructions, |
| 16:45.02 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Old Speckled Hen, Spitfire, stuff like that. www.camra.org.uk iirc |
| 16:45.07 | ISkywalker | i try on knoppix then sorry |
| 16:45.10 | sml | ISkywalker: Yes but Knoppix is Knoppix and Debian is Debian. |
| 16:45.14 | abrotman | ISkywalker: did you try asking the mplayer people ? |
| 16:45.29 | sml | I tried filing a bug in mutt the other day but go no where. |
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| 16:45.42 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: ok .. i can bring beer money .. |
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| 16:45.44 | ricky_clarkson | ISkywalker: Asking about Knoppix here is like going to France and asking about Spanish. |
| 16:45.44 | macabre | I've never got a 'dd' thing to work doing that |
| 16:45.45 | stew | ricky_clarkson: good ales are easy to find in the us, unfortunately there is a large percentage of restaurants and bars that only sell lagers |
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| 16:45.58 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Yes, that is an increasing trend here also. |
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| 16:46.04 | sml | stew: The guiness in Longbeach wasn't very good ;) |
| 16:46.11 | njan | stew, I didn't find good ale easy to find when I lived in the states |
| 16:46.24 | sjoeboo_ | ales int eh states is a weird thing |
| 16:46.31 | abrotman | stew: that's not such a bad thing .. if you're really looking for a beer .. you're not going to a crap restaurant .. you're going to a place that serves good beer .. |
| 16:46.32 | njan | stew, there was one place I managed to find in eastern washington selling ale approaching the standard I'd expect to find in the UK.. |
| 16:46.33 | sjoeboo_ | i'm from boston and some local brews have good ales. |
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| 16:46.38 | sjoeboo_ | but i haven't found many others |
| 16:46.42 | ricky_clarkson | I believe it's good to find microbreweries in the US. |
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| 16:46.48 | thingfish | actually, with the advent of microbreweries, one can get rather nice domestic ales here in the u.s. |
| 16:46.51 | abrotman | stew: i've done that more than once .. i find a place that ha sa good selection .. and eat the crap they serve for food :) |
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| 16:47.04 | njan | ricky_clarkson, unfortunately, they tend to be confined to highly urbanised areas in my experience. |
| 16:47.05 | abrotman | sjoeboo_: we have lots of good ones around philly |
| 16:47.07 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
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| 16:47.10 | ricky_clarkson | kalila: I'm a few miles away from you and I'm heading your way soon. Be afraid. ;) |
| 16:47.12 | JavaGuy | hmm - i'm trying to copy from a remote server a whole dir via SCP. I add a trailing slash to the remote dir, but still it creates a dir in the destination dir |
| 16:47.15 | stew | sml: guiness in longbeach was probably made in canada and not in ireland |
| 16:47.15 | JavaGuy | how come ? |
| 16:47.20 | sjoeboo_ | abrotman: yeah i'd imagine |
| 16:47.24 | sml | thingfish: They had a microbrewery in Longbeach when I went. They let me try out some ale for free. Of course a brit aint gonna turn down free beer! |
| 16:47.26 | abrotman | JavaGuy: man tar ? |
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| 16:47.29 | stew | abrotman: same here :) but actually i'm pretty blessed in my neighborhood |
| 16:47.35 | JavaGuy | abrotman: it's SCP |
| 16:47.36 | abrotman | stew: as am i! |
| 16:47.37 | sml | stew: You'd know better than I :) |
| 16:47.37 | thingfish | yes most big cities here in the u.s. have at least one microbrewery. |
| 16:47.42 | thingfish | sml: hehe |
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| 16:47.51 | sjoeboo_ | the northeast is full of them |
| 16:47.56 | stew | njan: yeah i wouldn't expect the pickens in eastern WA to be very good at all. in western WA they are excellent though |
| 16:48.01 | abrotman | stew: i've got about 3 or 4 really good breweries .. and about 5 restaurants that serve a good variety of beers within about 20 minutes |
| 16:48.04 | thingfish | and some of it is well, just plain art. |
| 16:48.05 | abrotman | maybe 30 |
| 16:48.06 | njan | stew, obviously, with Seattle :) |
| 16:48.15 | macabre | anyone here ever successfully made an image of a ntfs filesystem using Linux? |
| 16:48.18 | njan | stew, there's a lovely microbrewery in an old power station in Spokane, but that's the only place. |
| 16:48.21 | stew | abrotman: i have 2 places with > 20 taps within 3 blocks |
| 16:48.23 | paulswm | macabre: ntfsclone |
| 16:48.24 | sjoeboo_ | in boston, this place boston beer works, all brews from on site, excelent stuff too |
| 16:48.25 | sml | I've only visited California and the surrounds. I'd love to go back this year and do the east coast this time. Was back in '98 I went. |
| 16:48.27 | njan | macabre, dd if= of= shouldn't care whether it's ntfs or not |
| 16:48.28 | JavaGuy | what's wrong with this command: scp user@remote.com:/blah/bloeb/ /home/mydir/ ? how come I end up with /home/mydir/bloeb ? |
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| 16:48.38 | abrotman | stew: but you live downtown .. i do not .. if i lived downtown philly .. i could go to Monk's |
| 16:48.44 | ricky_clarkson | Well, I beat you all hands down, because I live in Rusholme. Google for it. |
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| 16:48.47 | thingfish | stew: oh man I'd be in heaven if I lived in that neighborhood. |
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| 16:49.08 | abrotman | stew: http://www.monkscafe.com/ |
| 16:49.09 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Southwold would be a nice place to live if you like Adnams. My mate lives there right next to the brewery lucky sod. |
| 16:49.11 | paulswm | macabre: ntfsclone, no need to mess with dd which is slow and doesn't write sparse files |
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| 16:49.18 | abrotman | stew: among others :) |
| 16:49.18 | mh_le | is there anyway to prevent a user form viewing certain wepages from a user account |
| 16:49.24 | stew | nice |
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| 16:49.33 | MrPrimate | mh_le, require authorization to see pages ? |
| 16:49.34 | kalila | ahaha salford! |
| 16:49.43 | abrotman | mh_le: say what? |
| 16:49.45 | kalila | you're 2 miles away |
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| 16:49.51 | kalila | ricky_clarkson: |
| 16:49.52 | DarkFame | mh_le: .htaccess with password? |
| 16:49.52 | green_earz | ricky_clarkson: curry center of the uk Rusholme |
| 16:49.54 | ricky_clarkson | kalila: Oh, are you near UMIST? |
| 16:49.58 | macabre | thx paulswm sounds good |
| 16:50.05 | njan | I think mh_le means from a localmachine |
| 16:50.07 | njan | not as a webserver |
| 16:50.07 | kalila | .whois kalila |
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| 16:50.09 | mh_le | MrPrimate: no, I mean prevent users on a system to view porn |
| 16:50.15 | valdyn_ | mh_le: there is various ways to do that |
| 16:50.21 | abrotman | mh_le: review the viewers? |
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| 16:50.25 | paulswm | macabre: You're wlecome, I use htfsclone and ntfsresize all the time both for backup and reimaging |
| 16:50.29 | abrotman | like .. firefox .. mozilla :) |
| 16:50.33 | ricky_clarkson | kalila: manchester.ac.uk is the old man.ac.uk and umist.ac.uk combined. I can't tell where that makes you. |
| 16:50.33 | paulswm | s/htfs/ntfs/ |
| 16:50.34 | kalila | UMIST is dead, long live UoM! |
| 16:50.37 | DarkFame | mh_le: use proxy, filter by keywords, url etc. |
| 16:50.51 | FieldySnuts | mh_le: use squid, then use dansguardian |
| 16:50.57 | kalila | ricky_clarkson: oxford road |
| 16:51.06 | paulswm | macabre: the package is: ntfstools |
| 16:51.11 | DarkFame | yeah, squid is a good proxy. |
| 16:51.11 | macabre | i got it |
| 16:51.14 | mh_le | abrotman: I didn't realize that firfox could do that on its own.. |
| 16:51.18 | paulswm | Cool :) |
| 16:51.20 | sml | Where is curry centre of the UK? |
| 16:51.26 | FieldySnuts | mh_le: i know of an entire isp forcing it's users through t setup to block porn and what not, does a very good job |
| 16:51.33 | sml | ^^^ greenearz |
| 16:51.34 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Rusholme apparently. |
| 16:51.36 | abrotman | mh_le: to view porn ? |
| 16:51.40 | macabre | I never had much luck using dd |
| 16:51.42 | FieldySnuts | s/t\ /that\ / |
| 16:51.47 | sml | Beer is good but curry is god. |
| 16:51.47 | kalila | sml: that's wilmslow road, a bit down the road from here! im hungry ;) |
| 16:51.53 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.56 | sml | kalila: I'm bungry now. |
| 16:51.57 | mh_le | abrotman: filter it oue |
| 16:51.58 | mh_le | abrotman: filter it out |
| 16:51.59 | sml | s/b/h |
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| 16:52.12 | FieldySnuts | mh_le: i hope you saw what I said, because it's the solution. bbl |
| 16:52.16 | thingfish | oh please let's not talk about curry, I haven't had a good curry in way too long. |
| 16:52.31 | mh_le | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 16:52.37 | kalila | thingfish: im getting one nowwwwwwwww |
| 16:52.39 | abrotman | mh_le: i just meant that if you uninstall all the browsers .. i'm sure it's a lot harder to find porn :) |
| 16:52.42 | sml | thingfish: It's too late I'm already thinking about having one tonight now. |
| 16:52.53 | sml | thingfish: it will eat away at you.. until YOU eat IT :) |
| 16:52.55 | paulswm | bloody curry-spattered Limeys |
| 16:52.55 | thingfish | kalila: oh you're torturing me |
| 16:52.59 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 16:53.02 | ricky_clarkson | I wish I could take one of the curry houses to my gf's house. She lives near Warrington and there's only a Chinese. |
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| 16:53.11 | thingfish | hehe yeah in soviet russia, the curry eats you! |
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| 16:53.18 | sml | thingfish: lol |
| 16:53.25 | ricky_clarkson | thingfish: No, that's the chemicals they test on you. |
| 16:53.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:53.34 | Muffie | hello all. Anyone knows how can i change servers of my apt-get update? |
| 16:53.42 | stew | we have an english curry house a few blocks from us, i must say i'm not fond of english curry, much prefer the stuff at the thai restaurant down the street |
| 16:53.43 | ricky_clarkson | Muffie: apt-setup |
| 16:53.46 | sml | Muffie: its in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:53.56 | Empty | Muffie: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:54.00 | thingfish | oh man thai curry, please stop... |
| 16:54.02 | green_earz | thingfish: it is the best sallon urdu for curry in Rusholme |
| 16:54.07 | sml | oh thai green or red ? |
| 16:54.09 | Muffie | thanks... |
| 16:54.12 | thingfish | curry...with basil and coconut milk... |
| 16:54.16 | thingfish | green! |
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| 16:54.33 | sml | well that's it.. im off .. im starving now. |
| 16:54.35 | stew | thingfish: sounds like you need to move to a better city with better food and beer :) |
| 16:54.36 | sml | THANKS you LOT! |
| 16:54.37 | Empty | damn #debian now I am craving phad thai |
| 16:54.46 | thingfish | stew: it does, doesn't it! |
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| 16:54.48 | sml | have a good weekend peeps im off to the curry house |
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| 16:55.17 | stew | i just spend 1.5 weeks in thailand actually, i wont be craving curry again for at least another month, i *really got my fill |
| 16:55.25 | thingfish | I bet. |
| 16:55.29 | thingfish | but still... |
| 16:55.41 | kalila | stew: may you're not getting the right curry ;p |
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| 16:55.46 | kalila | be* |
| 16:56.28 | thingfish | I had a friend/coworker who was from Sri Lanka and he used to bring us things that his mom had cooked. Oh I loved that woman. |
| 16:56.47 | rahga | Hello... I'm looking for debian users who'd like to run gnome-games "gnect" 2.8.2 real quick and tell me if it crashes for them. I'm trying to pin this bug down upstream.... |
| 16:56.56 | paulswm | thingfish: opena can of pork & beans, add a chopped onion plus curry powder, heat very slowly, eat, enjoy, **strike no matches** |
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| 16:57.05 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 16:57.22 | JavaGuy | what's wrong with this command: scp -r user@remote.com:/blah/bloeb/ /home/mydir/ ? how come I end up with /home/mydir/bloeb instead of with all files from source dir in destination dir? |
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| 16:57.26 | stew | rahga: checked the bts? |
| 16:57.59 | ricky_clarkson | scp -r user@remote.com:/blah/bloeb/* /home/mydir/ |
| 16:58.03 | ricky_clarkson | JavaGuy: ^^ |
| 16:58.11 | rahga | Yes, I'm about to look at it a bit deeper again... It's only been filed twice upstream, both on debian. |
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| 16:58.22 | NP_complete | hi again |
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| 16:59.03 | rahga | The diff file doesn't show anything bad, though. |
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| 16:59.23 | NP_complete | I've installed 'msttcorefonts' and i have restarted my X, even my computer, but still get VERY SMALL TEXT (on xmms, amule...) |
| 16:59.50 | ricky_clarkson | What toolkit does amule use? |
| 17:00.00 | NP_complete | wx |
| 17:00.47 | paulswm | thingfish: One more curry thing, when I came to US I decided I'd have to make my own Indian food, I heartily recommend "Classic Indian Cooking" by Julie Sahni |
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| 17:02.59 | green_earz | paulswm: have you ever had sweet pan after a indian meal. |
| 17:03.20 | sof | hi people |
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| 17:03.48 | fredy0ne | hello |
| 17:03.53 | sof | hi |
| 17:03.56 | thingfish | paulswm: hey thanks. I used to have a couple of indian cookbooks, but lost them while moving years ago. |
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| 17:04.15 | sof | i have a question |
| 17:04.21 | ricky_clarkson | I have an answer. |
| 17:04.24 | ricky_clarkson | I hope they match. |
| 17:04.24 | SkippedySkop | eh why isn't sed -e 's/\n\r//g' removing any \n and carriage returns? |
| 17:04.28 | paulswm | thingfish: Julie's book is excellent, been using it for almost 20 years |
| 17:04.45 | sof | do i need install nvidia drivers in my sarge to get 3d acceleration ?? |
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| 17:05.16 | valdyn_ | sof: how are we to guess your graphic card? |
| 17:05.28 | sof | if i want install nvidia |
| 17:05.29 | sof | drivers |
| 17:05.32 | sof | its simple |
| 17:05.33 | sof | geforce |
| 17:05.34 | sof | :-) |
| 17:05.36 | Natham | i got this mensagge on mi console, "spurious 8259A interrupt:IRQ7 Is dangerous? |
| 17:05.38 | FieldySnuts | hit enter less please |
| 17:05.44 | valdyn_ | !nvidia |
| 17:05.45 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia is To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 17:05.59 | thingfish | paulswm: thanks again, good to know. I found it right away on amazon. |
| 17:06.12 | paulswm | green_earz: you mean betel leaf? |
| 17:06.17 | NP_complete | I've installed 'msttcorefonts' and i have restarted my X, even my computer, but still get VERY SMALL TEXT, why? |
| 17:06.28 | simonrvn | boycott amazon |
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| 17:06.34 | sof | i dont wanna know how to install nvidia drivers |
| 17:06.43 | sof | but do i can have 3d acceleration |
| 17:06.45 | thingfish | is amazon evil? |
| 17:06.48 | sof | without installing it |
| 17:06.59 | paulswm | I use amazon a lot |
| 17:07.04 | green_earz | paulswm: yes thats the one. and they are nice after food. but without the tabaco |
| 17:07.05 | valdyn_ | !tell sof about enter |
| 17:07.08 | valdyn_ | !tell sof about ask |
| 17:07.09 | PerfDave | Amazon are pretty evil. |
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| 17:07.32 | PerfDave | Not as evil as, say Apple or Microsoft. But evil like Starbucks or Wal-Mart. |
| 17:07.35 | p30n | hello, how can i check where my RAID array is in dev? |
| 17:07.37 | cahoot | Natham: no |
| 17:07.40 | paulswm | green_earz: Sweetened with rose petal flavored syrup |
| 17:07.45 | thingfish | oh, that kind of evil. |
| 17:07.46 | dell | I am downloading Debian and will burn it to cd but my qustion is do i burn the MD5SUM to the first cd or do i need to burn it each cd? |
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| 17:07.53 | valdyn_ | sof: you need nvidias drivers, you need not come here to whine that nvidias installer broke your system |
| 17:08.01 | green_earz | paulswm: ho yes |
| 17:08.08 | ricky_clarkson | ho ho ho |
| 17:08.12 | JavaGuy | I need a command to copy via SCP all files from a remote dir to a local dir, including hidden files (.*), where the name of the local dir is not identical to the one of the remote dir |
| 17:08.19 | JavaGuy | any ideas ? |
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| 17:08.45 | sof | dont worry |
| 17:08.50 | PerfDave | dell: You don't need to burn the md5 sum to CD, you use it to check that the ISO has downloaded properly. |
| 17:08.51 | sof | my system is great |
| 17:09.10 | PerfDave | dell: And you need to burn the ISO as an image, not put the ISO file onto a CD. |
| 17:09.19 | sof | :-) |
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| 17:09.38 | p30n | question: i installed a SATA raid 4ch controller card and have 2x200g brand new hdd that need to be formatted, i have created a striped array and now i need to know where they are in /dev/ ?? |
| 17:09.53 | valdyn_ | !sata raid |
| 17:09.56 | sof | and i didnt say that nvidia broke my system :-) |
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| 17:10.27 | dell | thanks PerfDave... |
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| 17:11.10 | valdyn_ | p30n: real raid? sata criple raid? /dev/sda,/dev/sdb etc.. |
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| 17:11.42 | p30n | valdyn_ well i guess its real raid, the controller card supported raid 1, 0, 10 |
| 17:12.00 | topa | need help mounting a external hard drive in udev, dmesg lists it under /dev/uda , but a "mount -t usbfs /dev/uda /mnt/usb" doesnt seem to work, any suggestions ? , I'm new to udev |
| 17:12.06 | merlincorey | wow |
| 17:12.16 | merlincorey | mepis on an HD install really *might* be debian |
| 17:12.18 | p30n | valdyn_ someway i can check where they are? |
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| 17:12.26 | valdyn_ | p30n: fdisk -l |
| 17:12.39 | p30n | valdyn_ nothing happened |
| 17:12.42 | merlincorey | someone want to check this with me? |
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| 17:13.01 | merlincorey | (might be debian more or less, at least) |
| 17:13.23 | valdyn_ | !mepis |
| 17:13.23 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
| 17:13.39 | merlincorey | !factinfo mepis |
| 17:13.39 | dpkg | mepis -- created by directhex <~directhex@shields.gotadsl.co.uk> at Thu Jul 8 03:28:59 2004 (225 days); it has been requested 67 times, last by valdyn_, 16s ago. |
| 17:13.43 | merlincorey | it's not true anymore |
| 17:13.50 | p30n | how about fdisk /dev/rd/c0d0 or /dev/ida/c0d0 think thats a good idea? |
| 17:14.06 | merlincorey | now MEPIS' sources.list contains debian/unstable and debian/testing sources as well as this one: http://2005.mepis.org/mepis/pool/main/ |
| 17:14.14 | valdyn_ | p30n: if fdisk -l listed that - sure |
| 17:14.19 | merlincorey | I am just not sure what `simplymepis' is |
| 17:14.35 | p30n | valdyn_ fdisk -l did not list anything at all |
| 17:14.36 | merlincorey | but the rest is pretty standard stuff; fglrx, nvidiakernel, some eyecandy |
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| 17:14.41 | p30n | valdyn_ nothing happened |
| 17:14.57 | paulswm | merlincorey: you seem to be on to something, I think |
| 17:15.02 | valdyn_ | p30n: then your kernel did not find any harddisks |
| 17:15.08 | merlincorey | can I add it to my sources.list to use apt-cache show without fucking my system? |
| 17:15.27 | merlincorey | 'cause all I am unsure of is that one package, I am pretty sure meauto refers to their autodetection of hardware |
| 17:15.28 | stew | merlincorey: do you have a mepis hd install there? |
| 17:15.29 | p30n | valdyn_ well i already have debian installed on a IDE hdd |
| 17:15.33 | merlincorey | stew: no |
| 17:15.37 | p30n | valdyn_ shouldnt it list that one too then? |
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| 17:16.22 | ricky_clarkson | merlincorey: add it, apt-get update, apt-cache show, remove it, apt-get update, be happy. |
| 17:16.29 | paulswm | merlincorey: You could DL the debs somewhere safe and take a look at them |
| 17:16.52 | merlincorey | ricky_clarkson: sure that won't screw me? I'm just being paranoid, but... |
| 17:16.57 | valdyn_ | p30n: none are found, if fdisk -l listed nothing, not even your IDE harddisk |
| 17:17.26 | ricky_clarkson | merlincorey: You are just being paranoid. |
| 17:17.30 | merlincorey | ok then |
| 17:17.38 | paulswm | !bless merlincorey |
| 17:17.39 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child merlincorey, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 17:17.57 | merlincorey | heehee |
| 17:17.59 | merlincorey | thank you, dpkg |
| 17:18.02 | p30n | valdyn_ hmm, and thats a bad thing? i mean my OS had to find at least the ide cuz it booted from that one, and when booting a saw something indicating that the SATA cntrller is working |
| 17:18.02 | paulswm | :D |
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| 17:18.16 | stew | merlincorey: you could just download the deb from the site instead of apt-getting it |
| 17:18.32 | merlincorey | stew: I'm not, I'm just apt-cache showing |
| 17:18.35 | stew | merlincorey: and look at it with dpkg ( -x | -c | -e ) |
| 17:18.51 | valdyn_ | p30n: you didnt boot from that ide disk where you did fdisk -l , did you? |
| 17:19.13 | merlincorey | Description: A metapackage containing dependencies for updating SimplyMEPIS components. This is provided for users who wish to maintain an up-to-date standard installation of SimplyMEPIS 2004. This package will not work correctly with prerelease versions of SimplyMEPIS. |
| 17:19.16 | abrotman | this is so not #mepis :) |
| 17:19.17 | merlincorey | now what do I do? |
| 17:19.20 | merlincorey | :/ |
| 17:19.33 | valdyn_ | p30n: sata controllers can be found just fine, but probably not the disks if something, like its firmware settings ( which you set to some raid ) do not fit |
| 17:19.33 | merlincorey | abrotman: the mepis factoid needs updating anyway |
| 17:19.37 | merlincorey | so I might as well investigate |
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| 17:19.42 | stew | merlincorey: http://2005.mepis.org/mepis/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 17:19.46 | valdyn_ | p30n: disable raid if you can |
| 17:19.47 | Deep6 | anyone familiar with chkrootkit, particularily the -x lkm option... I need to know whether the pids identified are worthy of concern |
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| 17:19.52 | p30n | valdyn_ yes i booted debian sarge from the ide disk and then in console i typed fdisk -l |
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| 17:20.28 | p30n | valdyn_ i should disable RAID? dunno if thats possible, but ill check |
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| 17:20.57 | merlincorey | should I try asking #mepis (there is no one there) what exactly is in the simplymepis2004 package, or is there something I can do to figure it out without installing? (i.e. download the .deb and use dpkg -something_help_me_out_here?) |
| 17:21.20 | valdyn_ | p30n: its not a real raid anyway, and you cannot use that sata "raid" in linux anyway, use software raid if you must use raid |
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| 17:21.41 | stew | merlincorey: look at the -c -e -x options to dpkg |
| 17:21.48 | merlincorey | stew: kay |
| 17:21.51 | basti | is there a option like genkernel in debian? |
| 17:21.53 | stew | merlincorey: but what are you after? |
| 17:22.12 | merlincorey | stew: determining how much mepis is debian like |
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| 17:22.20 | stew | merlincorey: you are then going to claim that if you do a hd install of mepis, changes the sources, remove these packages you end up with a debian testing/unstable mix |
| 17:22.36 | paulswm | That's the idea I think |
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| 17:22.54 | paulswm | And to be quite honest it seems not unreasonable |
| 17:22.55 | p30n | valdyn_ ok so i would have to disable raid in the bios for the controller then, it boots some kinda bios that u can change stuff in im gonna check it out |
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| 17:23.48 | valdyn_ | p30n: look into /proc/ide/ for hd / interface info also, and /proc/scsi/ for your sata stuff |
| 17:23.52 | merlincorey | stew: if you want background, some mepis user was trying to convince a debian user I was helping to switch to mepis because of all these "special" packages, but this mepis user is obviously an idiot and I am pretty sure that they are getting NOTHING extra by using mepis that is significant, especially since MEPIS' current sources.list contains debian/unstable as well as debian/testing sources and then this mepis pool with the 5 o |
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| 17:26.05 | p30n | valdyn_ in my sata card BIOS, i _HAVE_ to create an array, does that mean i cant turn off raid? i mean if i need to have an array, is that equal to having raid on? |
| 17:26.56 | paulswm | merlincorey: I think you may be right. That leaves mepis basically a nasty mix of testing and unstable, uncontrolled by the mepis distro. I wonder what's so good about that? |
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| 17:27.08 | merlincorey | 12:26 <+Archdevil> exactly. Mepis is Debian + better hw detection and easy config |
| 17:27.21 | nSe | how can i know if a special plugin was installed with some package that i've installed with my debian apt-get (plugin: firsttrack, package: giFT) ? |
| 17:27.29 | fredy0ne | alO? |
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| 17:27.54 | asg | fredy0ne: you from Yorkshire or something? |
| 17:28.04 | billy | hello folks (debian sid) ..trying to get bootsplash working, but keep coming up against the following error.. "bootsplash 3.1.4-2004/../19-spock-0.1 ../looking for picture...no good signature" the problem is i'm using 3.1.7 . where and how do i remove the reference to 3.1.4 thks :) |
| 17:28.14 | fredy0ne | from spain... |
| 17:28.20 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Oh, please no! |
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| 17:28.23 | paulswm | If it's a mix of testing and unstable they ought to say so, maybe put a waarning label on it |
| 17:28.25 | asg | ricky_clarkson: hah |
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| 17:29.16 | ricky_clarkson | fredy0ne: asg es de Yorkshire, un parte de Inglaterra con muchos problemos. |
| 17:29.33 | asg | ricky_clarkson: nice |
| 17:29.35 | fredy0ne | aha |
| 17:30.09 | ricky_clarkson | And no babelfish in sight (or in ear). |
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| 17:30.48 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 17:31.31 | Gnea | anyone here use iptotal? it's not generating a result.txt for some unknown reason... |
| 17:31.37 | jannol | please help, I can't get apache to accept cgi scripts, what is the scriptaliased dir on deb sarge, by default it is set to /usr/lib/cgi-bin but mine is empty ?! |
| 17:31.42 | RRT | what is best to use in sarge for torrents? |
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| 17:31.51 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Anyway, you're not Lancastrian, you're a Manc ;) |
| 17:31.53 | PerfDave | !best |
| 17:31.53 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 17:31.55 | asg | jannol: you have to put a cgi script in it |
| 17:32.00 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: I'm from Preston. |
| 17:32.10 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: You're still a Manc ;p |
| 17:32.12 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Hint, it has the University of Central Lancashire. |
| 17:32.13 | Gnea | jannol: you need a script alias and a directory directive to let it ExecCGI |
| 17:32.19 | PerfDave | Could be worse, you could be from Burnley ;p |
| 17:32.20 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: That makes me from Lancashire. |
| 17:32.26 | jannol | asg, But I want userdir to be able to run scripts |
| 17:32.33 | asg | jannol: then see what Gnea said |
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| 17:32.37 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: I wouldn't admit to being from Preston if I were you. I've been there. To the University of Central Lancashire. |
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| 17:32.52 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: UCLAN is a shithole. I've been there once. |
| 17:33.06 | ricky_clarkson | Still, got a degree for my effort. ;) |
| 17:33.18 | ricky_clarkson | [just kidding, I got my degree from Salford] |
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| 17:33.40 | asg | PerfDave: i once one a scholarship from a US fast food restaurant that sells crappy chicken and is closed on Sundays because the owner is a religious nutbag. |
| 17:33.44 | asg | s/one/won/ |
| 17:33.55 | p30n | valdyn_ in /proc/scsi i found a folder called sata_promise and i have promise chipset on my sata card, in that folder there was 4 files called 0, 1, 2, 3 and in those it said "The driver does not yet support the proc-fs" |
| 17:33.59 | Gnea | asg: now that takes REAL talent |
| 17:34.03 | ricky_clarkson | Mmm, crappy chicken. |
| 17:34.14 | PerfDave | asg: How did you win that? |
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| 17:34.28 | asg | PerfDave: Chick-Fil-A scholarship in Philosphy |
| 17:34.32 | asg | arg |
| 17:34.39 | asg | PerfDave: Chick-Fil-A scholarship in Philosophy |
| 17:34.48 | ricky_clarkson | He found the 'scholarship' sat in the safe waiting for him. |
| 17:34.48 | p30n | valdyn_ but in the file /proc/scsi/scsi i have Attached devices: and there are the 2 200gigs |
| 17:34.51 | paulswm | I find it difficult to grasp the concept of "crappy chicken" |
| 17:35.01 | asg | Gnea: spent the $700 on beer and hardware |
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| 17:35.10 | Gnea | asg: good deal |
| 17:35.14 | asg | Gnea: I thought so |
| 17:35.17 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Take good chicken. Leave it for a week. Cook it for a few minutes. Eat. |
| 17:35.31 | PerfDave | asg: I'm impressed. |
| 17:35.34 | Gnea | but leave it where? |
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| 17:35.51 | ricky_clarkson | Er, in the compost heap? I don't know, use your imagination.] |
| 17:36.00 | Gnea | that's absolutely disgusting |
| 17:36.07 | Gnea | i would never eat anything you cooked. ever. |
| 17:36.11 | asg | PerfDave: while my grades were excellent, I was only given the award because I the the last eligible member of the dept. at that point. |
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| 17:36.20 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Phew. That's one less person to worry about feeding. |
| 17:36.22 | paulswm | Well, I was assuming normal rules of hygiene, wasn't including rotting chicken |
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| 17:36.37 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: I think you missed something here ;) |
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| 17:36.43 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: if i wanted food poisoning i could just drive to mcdonalds :) |
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| 17:37.06 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: I've found that microwaving a day-old kebab is quite productive in that regard. |
| 17:37.12 | tbd | hi... |
| 17:37.22 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: spring-rolls |
| 17:37.23 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: not everyone owns a microwave |
| 17:37.33 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: I don't believe you. |
| 17:37.40 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: then you are a fool. |
| 17:37.42 | tbd | I have and updated Debian sid... |
| 17:37.52 | asg | tbd: /msg dpkg sid faq, /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:37.56 | tbd | ...and now alsa is giving problems |
| 17:37.57 | ricky_clarkson | Microwaves are great for cooking, pretending to have a television and for pest control. |
| 17:38.11 | Gnea | sure, that's what they're great for |
| 17:38.19 | Gnea | still doesn't mean everyone owns one |
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| 17:38.41 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: I never said they did. |
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| 17:38.46 | FieldySnuts | i don't have one hehe |
| 17:38.51 | ricky_clarkson | The only thing that everyone owns is a body. |
| 17:38.51 | asg | Gnea: in the us, you come out of the womb with a microwave, a television, and AOL |
| 17:38.56 | FieldySnuts | i don't trust food bombarded with EM radiation |
| 17:38.59 | Gnea | [11:37AM] <ricky_clarkson> Gnea: I don't believe you. |
| 17:39.01 | jannol | where do I put this > '<Directory /home/*/public_html/cgi-bin> Options ExecCGISetHandler cgi-script</Directory>' |
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| 17:39.08 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Ever heard of sarcasm? |
| 17:39.15 | FieldySnuts | jannol: ask #apache |
| 17:39.16 | asg | jannol: in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 17:39.20 | tbd | thx |
| 17:39.31 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: yeah, ever heard of reality? |
| 17:39.40 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:40.25 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: No. I live in England. If we allowed reality to be part of daily life, we'd probably talk ourselves out of an economy. |
| 17:40.48 | ricky_clarkson | Gnea: Btw, my gf has no microwave, or fridge. So ner. |
| 17:41.06 | nSe | hey, anybody could please help me: how can i know if a special plugin was installed with some package that i've installed with my debian apt-get (plugin: firsttrack, package: giFT) ? |
| 17:41.09 | asg | ricky_clarkson: doesn't she have limited access to yours though? by extension? |
| 17:41.13 | Gnea | ricky_clarkson: well I'm in the states, where we've managed to talk nearly 85% of the economy to other countries |
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| 17:42.14 | mboso | anyone know of a small fast image viewer that is capable of handling *.png transparency? |
| 17:42.25 | Gnea | mboso: feh |
| 17:42.33 | RRT | hi can anyone recommend a bittorrent package for debian? |
| 17:42.50 | mikkele | mboso: isnt display from imagemagick capable? |
| 17:43.07 | ricky_clarkson | !30/0.5/5 |
| 17:43.07 | dpkg | 12 |
| 17:43.17 | drac | RRT: there is bittorrent, bittornado, but i'm personally using qtorrent. nice gui. |
| 17:43.17 | green_earz | RRT: bittornado-gui |
| 17:43.51 | RRT | I installed bittorrent package but don't see where to open or use it. |
| 17:44.08 | p30n | question: say i have 2 disks on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and i want to mount them to wherever just to see if it works, what mount cmd should i use? |
| 17:44.11 | mboso | Gnea, Mikkele: you're both right. thanks a lot |
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| 17:44.56 | nSe | so you're all meaning: get out from here and read the apt-howto. (i'll do, but i want to download some Joss Stone mp3's while learning how to deal with apt) |
| 17:44.57 | green_earz | RRT: have a look at apt-cache show bittornado-gui |
| 17:45.01 | Gnea | mboso: np |
| 17:45.04 | drac | RRT: Just click .torrent link with your favourite browser and btdownload should open. |
| 17:45.12 | drp | RRT, whereis bittornado-gui |
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| 17:46.18 | fredy0ne | xdebconfigurator |
| 17:46.27 | fredy0ne | ups.... |
| 17:46.30 | asg | fredy0ne: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:46.30 | RRT | didn't associate it. when i selected pick program to use, there are tons of btorrentXXX choices |
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| 17:46.55 | drp | anybody know of a good place for editor configs, (vim, emacs, xemacs, etc) |
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| 17:47.05 | ricky_clarkson | drp: www.dotfiles.com or something |
| 17:47.05 | asg | drp: $HOME |
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| 17:47.18 | fredy0ne | :) thx a lot |
| 17:47.29 | asg | fredy0ne: de nada |
| 17:47.58 | ricky_clarkson | Show-off. |
| 17:48.00 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
| 17:48.18 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I'm practicing my spanglish so I can order at the Wendy's drive through again |
| 17:48.18 | stew | tell asg about es |
| 17:48.30 | p30n | question: say i have 2 disks on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and i want to mount them to wherever just to see if it works, what mount cmd should i use? |
| 17:48.34 | ricky_clarkson | asg: geeev meeee a bugger |
| 17:48.39 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Noooooo, I meant burger. |
| 17:48.50 | drp | p30n, what file system |
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| 17:49.24 | asg | ricky_clarkson: they would probably interpret that as booger here |
| 17:49.41 | paulswm | Priceless, ricky_clarkson |
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| 17:50.01 | stew | p30n: you probably want to mount a partition from those disks (like /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb2) fdisk -l will list known partitions |
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| 17:50.12 | mana1 | I am remastering knoppix. I boot with 'knoppix 2 lang=us', mount the partition with my remaster and copy /etc/X11/XF86config-4 into the remaster. Then I chroot and startx. Upon this I procedd to modify the menus with Kmenuedit. Then I copy .kde and .config to /etc/skel of remaster. Burn a new CD, and I am stuck with the old menus. I suspect this is the fault of debian's update-menus. What can I do? Am I missing something/ doing it wrong? |
| 17:50.21 | asg | mana1: #knoppix |
| 17:50.37 | mana1 | asg: that room is dead |
| 17:50.45 | asg | mana1: then don't use knoppix |
| 17:50.47 | fredy0ne | please enter de video card bus identifier, how can i know this? |
| 17:50.53 | asg | mana1: create a nice custom chroot and use bootcd |
| 17:50.53 | p30n | stew drp : what would be the command to fdisk them to ext3 ? |
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| 17:51.10 | stew | p30n: you want to repartition? |
| 17:51.10 | p30n | stew drp : or what kinda FS would u recomend me to use? |
| 17:51.17 | stew | p30n: i recommend ext3 |
| 17:51.19 | mana1 | asg: I know, but I have my work but out and I am desperate |
| 17:51.27 | p30n | stew: fdisk -l wont show anything |
| 17:51.30 | mana1 | asg: s/but/cut |
| 17:51.45 | FieldySnuts | mana1: TAKE A HINT: this is #debian not #knoppix , read the damn topic. |
| 17:51.51 | p30n | stew: what would be the fdisk cmd to make it ext3 then? i know the /dev/ names, |
| 17:52.20 | asg | mana1: if sgeigerbot is around, ask him, he's a knoppix fanboy. Otherwise, you aren't likely to get much help remastering knoppix here. |
| 17:52.23 | drp | p30n, mount -t <fsType> /dev/sda1 <mountPoint> |
| 17:52.25 | jannol | I just keep getting Internal Server Error |
| 17:52.39 | asg | jannol: then look at you apache error logs to find out why |
| 17:52.40 | ricky_clarkson | mana1: You are in the wrong place. It's like asking about Spanish in France. WRONG CHANNEL. /join #knoppix |
| 17:52.48 | jannol | asg, ok |
| 17:52.58 | stew | p30n: fdisk or cfdisk for repartitioning, after it has been partitioned you could use mkfs.ext3 to make a fs, read the manpages for these things before you do anything |
| 17:53.08 | PerfDave | Failure of #knoppix to answer your question is not a problem of #debian ;) |
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| 17:53.25 | unused | :> |
| 17:53.25 | stew | p30n: and understand that this stuff will ruin any data on the disk |
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| 17:53.36 | unused | :> |
| 17:53.40 | sgeigerbot | I have sometimes seen people use a Web browser to create a proxy connection to a network (via SSL). Which server-side software would be used for that? |
| 17:53.51 | p30n | stew: brand new empty disk, no worries |
| 17:53.54 | mana1 | I know........... Its just that I am in a BIG hurry and at the end of my wit. Sorry if I was a bother. |
| 17:53.55 | |ac3| | anyone used rootsh? |
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| 17:54.16 | asg | sgeigerbot: httptunnel or somesuch |
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| 17:54.17 | sgeigerbot | Is that squid? I'm used to using it from the other direction--that is to filter contain/block sites. |
| 17:54.21 | PerfDave | sgeigerbot: Apache, squid, tinyproxy? |
| 17:54.56 | asg | PerfDave: do the same with squid here |
| 17:54.58 | mana1 | sgeigerbot: can you help? |
| 17:55.05 | RRT | everything I'm finding says torrent should be associated with bittorrent but mine didn't do it. do i need to reboot for this to happen? |
| 17:55.21 | chugga | PerfDave, how? |
| 17:55.36 | sgeigerbot | ok...so an http proxy is something that serves either purpose--blocking sites/contents for outgoing connections...as well as serving as an authentication server for incoming connections... Or is a socks-server what I'm thinking of? (Would people use a Web browser to connect to that...and then access resources behind the firewall?) |
| 17:55.50 | sgeigerbot | mana1: I didn't see your question. |
| 17:55.57 | asg | chugga: ssh -x -C -L 3128:localhost:3128 me@server-running-squid ; configure browser to proxy localhost:3128 |
| 17:55.57 | MattF | Having trouble mounting an audio CD into Debian to rip it :/ |
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| 17:56.13 | drp | RRT, what desktop environment/window manager are you using |
| 17:56.13 | asg | MattF: you don't 'mount' audio cds |
| 17:56.15 | sgeigerbot | PerfDave: Can you comment on my follow-up on the http proxy? Just wanting clarification. |
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| 17:56.24 | MattF | asg: What do I do? |
| 17:56.26 | RRT | the default gnome in sarge |
| 17:56.30 | p30n | stew: should i make them primary or logical partitions? i have 2 identical 200gigs |
| 17:56.32 | RikClark | anyone confirm that www.sco.com is being updated to apache2, or am I mad? |
| 17:56.37 | chugga | asg, hmm. interesting. |
| 17:56.38 | mana1 | sgeigerbot: remasteres knoppix. whatever I do, menus never customise. asg says you could be of help... |
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| 17:56.45 | asg | MattF: use abcde to pull and encode directly from /dev/cdrom (or wherever it lives on your system.) |
| 17:56.52 | stew | p30n: doesn't matter |
| 17:56.53 | drp | RRT, did you do a whereis bittornado-gui in the terminal |
| 17:56.56 | MattF | ok |
| 17:56.56 | asg | chugga: it's a poor man's vpn but useful for all sorts of stuff |
| 17:57.18 | sgeigerbot | MattF: There is something call cdfs...so you *could* mount an audio CD...but that's not typically done. |
| 17:57.24 | chugga | asg, nice |
| 17:57.24 | asg | chugga: i.e.; ssh -x -C -L 3389:crappy-windows-pap:3389 me@work ; rdesktop localhost |
| 17:57.24 | greycat | RikClark: it just says "Server: Apache". and "X-Powered-By: PHP/4.3.2". Nothing else. |
| 17:57.30 | RikClark | or does it mean something more interesting is happening? |
| 17:57.51 | MattF | I am using Grip, trouble is I have two CD drives, not sure which is which |
| 17:57.57 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: Get off my identity! |
| 17:58.00 | RRT | i get bittorrnado-gui: |
| 17:58.12 | sgeigerbot | MattF: another alternative for the curious: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins - Support for browsing audio CDs under Konqueror |
| 17:58.22 | greycat | RikClark: the only interesting thing I ever want to see from "The SCO Group" is bankruptcy, and optional suicide. |
| 17:58.26 | drp | RRT, well then your system is finding the binaries |
| 17:58.36 | MattF | sgeigerbot, I just wanna rip the CD :/ |
| 17:58.41 | RikClark | rotfl |
| 17:58.42 | drp | RRT, how did you install it ... apt-get install bittornado-gui ? |
| 17:58.56 | RRT | i did apt-get install bittorrent |
| 17:59.09 | bloom | drp: his system isn't finding the binaries |
| 17:59.16 | |ac3| | can i use options in /etc/passwd for the shell? like /bin/rootsh -i ? |
| 17:59.22 | RikClark | why would sco roll out apache 2 when they are in the death throes of banckrupcy? |
| 17:59.23 | greycat | |ac3|: no. |
| 17:59.28 | |ac3| | :( |
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| 17:59.36 | jetscreamer | type btdownloadgui at prompt |
| 17:59.45 | greycat | !using bittorrent |
| 17:59.45 | dpkg | apt-get install bittorrent; cd /somewhere/big; btdownloadcurses _URL_ |
| 17:59.48 | tonix | hi guys, is there a way to empty a file from command line? thanks |
| 17:59.55 | sgeigerbot | MattF: grip or ripperx are good tools for ripping CDs. |
| 17:59.57 | asg | tonix: :> <file> |
| 17:59.59 | greycat | tonix: > file |
| 18:00.00 | chugga | asg, so im not sure if i understand. this is useful when you are on some network where you only have access to say http/ssh - and you tunnel through these to your unrestricted machine to use those unrestricted features? |
| 18:00.00 | |ac3| | greycat: i wanna change /bin/bash with /bin/rootsh to log all users shell sessions |
| 18:00.06 | greycat | asg: bloat! |
| 18:00.10 | asg | greycat: haha |
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| 18:00.14 | jetscreamer | rm file && touch file |
| 18:00.17 | asg | greycat: more personality |
| 18:00.27 | asg | chugga: more or less |
| 18:00.27 | greycat | jetscreamer: no. |
| 18:00.28 | |ac3| | it works but profile and bashrc are not used:( |
| 18:00.31 | greycat | jetscreamer: that is NOT equivalent. |
| 18:00.38 | asuffield | greycat: you have a useless space in yours :P |
| 18:00.44 | tonix | thanks greycat and asg! |
| 18:00.44 | chugga | asg, okay |
| 18:00.46 | greycat | asuffield: true. |
| 18:00.52 | MattF | sgeigerbot, yes, I have grip, can't seem to get it to detect my disk though, I am pressing the eject button in the program to see what drive it's working on and nothing's happening |
| 18:00.58 | mana1 | ok I will ask a debian question. update-menus reads files from /usr/lib/menus. Now how do I make a custo menu so that it forms the files in /usr/lib/menus? Is there a tool available to do that? |
| 18:01.01 | jetscreamer | god, i'm starting to really suck at this help stuff |
| 18:01.06 | greycat | MattF: man grip |
| 18:01.06 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 18:01.09 | sgeigerbot | MattF: sudo apt-get install eject; sudo eject |
| 18:01.24 | sgeigerbot | MattF: and type "mount" to see whether it is somehow mounted...which I doubt. |
| 18:01.24 | asuffield | or even just eyeball the config page, where it's right under your nose |
| 18:01.34 | green_earz | MattF: if you are a kde users chech out kaudiocreator |
| 18:01.39 | RRT | am doing apt-get install bittornado-gui now and is getting more packages. hope that fixes it |
| 18:02.13 | asg | sgeigerbot: no, sudo apt-get install eject; echo 'feed me' | flite; sudo eject -t |
| 18:02.21 | sgeigerbot | mana1: you are remastering knoppix and the menus don't change? I don't think this process is very standardized.. I'm probably doing it different than you do it...so I doubt I could be of much help. Besides, this is the #debian channel. Perhaps #knoppix or the message boards on knoppix.net would be of more help. |
| 18:02.26 | drp | RRT, the client with the gui interface will be a little more friendly for you |
| 18:02.49 | drp | RRT, I'm assuming the other one you downloaded is a command line client ... not sure though |
| 18:03.01 | sgeigerbot | mana1: If there is a more standardized way of remastering knoppix CDs nowadays, I'm all ears. (I had to track down a few Web pages that explained it and then I hacked my own script... |
| 18:03.07 | mana1 | sgeigerbot: can you meet me in #knoppix please? |
| 18:03.28 | sgeigerbot | mana1: I'm in the middle of other things....but I'll entertain questions for a few minutes. (Not long, though.) |
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| 18:05.18 | jannol | thx, now it is workin |
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| 18:05.21 | paulswm | chugga: When I'm at work and I want to check IRC at lunchtime, I can't do it through my employer's network, so for me: putty-on-XP-work-pc > ssh > work-proxy > home-firewall > a-home-box > x11vnc, then execute tinyvnc on work-pc to run a full X desktop via ssh |
| 18:05.22 | RRT | am seeing btrename btreannounce btmakemetafile and many others with green icon in "select an application" window |
| 18:05.32 | ISkywalker | hi" games data should go to share/games or games share? |
| 18:05.33 | jannol | it was simply a file permission error |
| 18:05.59 | jannol | thx Gnea and asg |
| 18:06.08 | js_ | can i create a software raid0 volume without a controller card that has some kind of support for it? |
| 18:06.09 | MattF | bah# |
| 18:06.20 | MattF | just ran grip as root and it worked instantly :/ |
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| 18:07.12 | asg | jannol: you're welcome |
| 18:07.27 | chugga | paulswm, in all those steps? or are some of them automated?? hehe |
| 18:07.32 | MattF | aha, got it working |
| 18:07.34 | MattF | /dev/cdrom |
| 18:07.50 | ISkywalker | games data should go to share/games or games share? |
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| 18:08.53 | green_earz | RRT: try /usr/bin/btdownloadgui |
| 18:08.53 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: ping. |
| 18:08.56 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: pong |
| 18:09.10 | asg | ISkywalker: /usr/share/games |
| 18:09.11 | ricky_clarkson | Yay, I win. Ball went past you. |
| 18:09.21 | paulswm | chugga: That's the map, it's actually three steps: 1. set up putty, 2. execute x11vnc, 3. execute tinyvnc client. Of course, setp 1 is a once off |
| 18:09.22 | ISkywalker | thx |
| 18:09.24 | prahal | hi where can i find information about why X use 85MB of memory by itself |
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| 18:10.05 | chugga | paulswm, curious - why dont you leave vnc running constantly - security? |
| 18:10.10 | drasko | hello all |
| 18:11.12 | drasko | I have problems with favicon.ico missing in some .php I downloaded from the internet, so in browser index.php won't open. |
| 18:11.38 | paulswm | chugga: X eats about 48% of the local CPU when x11vnc is running. Anyway, the way I describe the setup, x11vnc dies once the tinyvnc clinet disconnects. I only use it occasionally at lunchtimes anyway, I try to work at work :) |
| 18:12.16 | chugga | paulswm, heh, that sounds pretty mad. |
| 18:12.30 | drasko | There is a solution to add a line: <link src="/images/mycompany.ico" rel="shortcut icon" /> between the <head> tags, but where those tags are supposed to be? In index.php? I can't find them... |
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| 18:12.53 | RRT | thankyou |
| 18:13.13 | paulswm | chugga: It works great. And it's private, with ssh running through the work http proxy. |
| 18:13.16 | hutze | can i install debian from another distro (via chroot) or do i need a boot-cd/floppty? |
| 18:13.17 | green_earz | RRT: you have it runing ? |
| 18:13.28 | RRT | yes that did it. |
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| 18:14.13 | chugga | paulswm, does this mean you'd bind (not sure if this is the right word) sshd to a non-standard ssh port - ie 80 - or am i off the mark? |
| 18:14.40 | calljair | guys anyone knows a good google documentation for zip, tar, gzip, tgz and all the kinds of compress and uncompress commands on the shell? |
| 18:15.05 | ISkywalker | asg: bin go to /usr/games/bin or? |
| 18:15.10 | asg | calljair: man zip, man tar, man gzip (optionally, man rar, man zoo, man ace) |
| 18:15.27 | asg | ISkywalker: usually, binaries go in /usr/games |
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| 18:15.30 | prahal | drasko: "link" is not the only way to add favicons, sometimes the favicons is at the root of the site that s all |
| 18:15.41 | hutze | calljair, zip=unzip, tar=tar x, gzip=gunzip, tgz (tar gz)=tar xz |
| 18:16.00 | dem | how would i go about spying on what's being outputed on tty8? |
| 18:16.01 | ISkywalker | in bin or? |
| 18:16.01 | green_earz | RRT: http://www.torrentreactor.net/ |
| 18:16.15 | hutze | calljair, look at the manpage and seach for extract (/extract) |
| 18:16.23 | paulswm | chugga: You don't have to, although I do. Part of the putty setup, however, is to forward port 5900 through the ssh tunnel |
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| 18:17.37 | calljair | hutze, but I am trying to compress a folder with some text files on it. |
| 18:17.58 | calljair | I get confuse with the man files normally |
| 18:18.07 | calljair | but I will see what can I do |
| 18:18.30 | asg | calljair: then /msg dpkg tar (for a brief yet terse synopsis of available options) |
| 18:18.32 | hutze | calljair, yes manpages are not very comfortable, the '/' key lets you search |
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| 18:19.43 | hutze | can i install debian without a boot-medium (floppy/cd)? |
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| 18:20.07 | abrotman | hutze: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 18:20.08 | calljair | thank you guys |
| 18:20.10 | ricky_clarkson | hutze: debootstrap, debtakeover |
| 18:20.12 | calljair | thank you |
| 18:20.12 | simonrvn | hutze: debootstrap |
| 18:20.15 | hutze | ok thx |
| 18:20.46 | ricky_clarkson | One day I might have a go at running debootstrap on Cygwin and see what happens ;) |
| 18:21.05 | asg | ricky_clarkson: you'll end up with jockstrap |
| 18:21.58 | Empty | debtakeover looks interesting |
| 18:22.28 | TUFKAAC | HGGGGGGGGGGggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggcxa1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111119999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 18:22.28 | TUFKAAC | 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 18:22.29 | TUFKAAC | 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 18:22.32 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 18:22.37 | TUFKAAC | 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999JK9TRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR?eBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB |
| 18:22.37 | asg | nein! |
| 18:22.42 | TUFKAAC | BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB ; |
| 18:22.48 | ricky_clarkson | Number 9, number 9. |
| 18:22.53 | simonrvn | can an op please /kb this dufus? |
| 18:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | Hell, it's Paul McCartney! |
| 18:23.02 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 18:23.07 | chugga | i think i see a heart |
| 18:23.12 | chugga | aww. thats so sweet |
| 18:23.14 | hutze | dont you guys have a bot? |
| 18:23.21 | asg | hutze: yes, /msg dpkg help |
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| 18:23.26 | ricky_clarkson | hutze: Yes, but it doesn't give a shit about long lines. |
| 18:23.32 | daft_ | !opers TUFKAAC |
| 18:23.35 | ricky_clarkson | !ops please remove TUFKAAC |
| 18:23.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove TUFKAAC |
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| 18:23.41 | Ronin` | i see we need a flood kick setting too :) |
| 18:23.42 | helix | whoa |
| 18:23.46 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 18:23.46 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@host148-21.pool8252.interbusiness.it] by helix |
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| 18:23.46 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 18:23.54 | asg | helix: thanks |
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| 18:24.00 | dvs | helix: Did we wake you from your nap? ;-) |
| 18:24.06 | simonrvn | interbusiness.it... figures |
| 18:24.08 | helix | I wonder if it was a cat |
| 18:24.12 | Empty | Ronin`, it has one |
| 18:24.13 | chugga | Ronin`, we do dont we? ppl get kicked for pasting more than 3 lines |
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| 18:24.15 | helix | dvs: nope :) |
| 18:24.16 | asg | helix: one with really small paws |
| 18:24.24 | helix | heh |
| 18:24.25 | greycat | helix: don't badmouth the cats! |
| 18:24.27 | simonrvn | helix: no. not typical |
| 18:24.42 | helix | greycat: heh |
| 18:24.43 | FieldySnuts | it's typical of interbusiness.it |
| 18:25.00 | ricky_clarkson | Some Italian company called Powergen Italia registered powergenitalia.com |
| 18:25.07 | ricky_clarkson | Then they realised their mistake. |
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| 18:25.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:25.12 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 18:25.15 | Empty | good times |
| 18:25.15 | asg | ricky_clarkson: nice |
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| 18:25.43 | Empty | Chevy tried to sell the Nova in Mexico for months with little success until somene figured out "No va" is "Doesn't go" in Spanish |
| 18:25.51 | simonrvn | that was good for a giggle |
| 18:26.04 | greycat | Empty: urban legend. check snopes. |
| 18:26.14 | ricky_clarkson | How about the Russian car, Lada. |
| 18:26.16 | Empty | greycat, doh, thought that one was true |
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| 18:26.19 | asg | Empty: and 'Pepsi, choice of a new generation' was mistranslated in Chinese as 'Pepsi, brings your dead ancestors back to life.' |
| 18:26.20 | ricky_clarkson | That's a shit name in English. |
| 18:26.22 | simonrvn | ladida |
| 18:26.23 | FieldySnuts | since when is snopes the end all |
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| 18:26.32 | dav89 | helo |
| 18:26.33 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Haha. |
| 18:26.43 | chugga | heres one for you linux users, kino means fuck in swahelli. |
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| 18:26.53 | dav89 | why y have an ipv6 interface called tun-00? i haven't set it! |
| 18:26.55 | ricky_clarkson | chugga: What does kino mean in English? |
| 18:27.00 | greycat | chugga: and... what's that have to do with linux? |
| 18:27.06 | chugga | !kino |
| 18:27.09 | simonrvn | dav89: EHLO |
| 18:27.12 | Empty | chugga, that's unfortunate... I went to a preschool called kino(!) |
| 18:27.15 | chugga | its a video editing suite for linux - the only one i think |
| 18:27.24 | asg | Empty: then you got a leg up on things |
| 18:27.38 | dav89 | simonrvn: what is it? |
| 18:27.43 | hutze | ricky_clarkson, cinema |
| 18:28.01 | FieldySnuts | kino is used specifically to pull digital video off of digital video cameras, not edit any ole file you have laying around |
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| 18:28.05 | snodnipper | snodnipper |
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| 18:28.07 | FieldySnuts | and cinelerra is a peice of shit |
| 18:28.13 | Empty | There's a Father Kino in AZ, a famous monk that opened a bunch of missions down by Tucson... and thus a few roads named kino in tucson. Oh the fun I shall have with this morsel |
| 18:28.16 | SoTMaR | Hello everybody |
| 18:28.20 | chugga | FieldySnuts, true. i dont think its much of an editor either, but i've seen it described as such |
| 18:28.21 | vorlon | kino isn't an English word, it's a German word meaning cinema. |
| 18:28.31 | dav89 | why i have an ipv6 interface called tun-00? i haven't set it! |
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| 18:28.41 | dav89 | how can i remove a network interface? |
| 18:28.47 | FieldySnuts | man ifconfig |
| 18:28.48 | asg | vorlon: thought kino had an Asian derivative |
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| 18:29.03 | Empty | !tell dav89 about interfaces |
| 18:29.29 | vorlon | asg: ok, apparently dict knows of English meanings for "kino", but the name of the software has a German root. :) |
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| 18:29.56 | asg | vorlon: what goes around goes around :) Old English sounded just like German anyway due to vowel elision. |
| 18:29.57 | simonrvn | vorlon: whoah, hi |
| 18:30.33 | paulswm | asg: as in Chaucer's lifetime |
| 18:30.33 | drasko | prahal, evidenly there is not favicon.ico in my root data folder... This data I downloaded wrom net |
| 18:30.33 | asg | paulswm: pre Chaucer |
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| 18:30.33 | drasko | prahal, so either I can add some icon in thi root date directory, either add this line, which I cannot find where... |
| 18:30.33 | dav89 | linux:/etc# ifconfig tun-00 down |
| 18:30.34 | dav89 | tun-00: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 18:30.34 | dav89 | linux:/etc# |
| 18:30.34 | vorlon | simonrvn: moo. |
| 18:30.35 | dav89 | why? |
| 18:30.42 | simonrvn | vorlon: apt-get moo ;) |
| 18:30.51 | asg | paulswm: Chaucer was middle English |
| 18:30.51 | FieldySnuts | dav89: read what dpkg msgd you with, you're obviously ingoring it |
| 18:30.52 | drasko | When I am making php4.log, who should be the owner to write in it? data_write? write_data? I've forgotten that... |
| 18:31.01 | asg | drasko: www-data |
| 18:31.02 | paulswm | Yes! Moo! |
| 18:31.16 | dav89 | my kirc crashed |
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| 18:31.37 | paulswm | asg: I know, but spoken English then still sounded Germanic |
| 18:31.40 | asg | paulswm: wan in april, the sweet showres sote (and such) |
| 18:31.44 | SoTMaR | Does anyone know which modifier is needed for using make in a dual processor machine? |
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| 18:31.57 | dav89 | please somebody helps me |
| 18:31.57 | FieldySnuts | SoTMaR: -j option (man make) |
| 18:32.10 | FieldySnuts | do NOT use -j on it's own ;P |
| 18:32.17 | FieldySnuts | that is, use -jN where N is, well, man make. |
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| 18:32.23 | ningo | asg, of course, english is an germanic language |
| 18:32.29 | SoTMaR | FieldySnuts, I saw -j but I don't know which number to use |
| 18:32.34 | ningo | s/an/a |
| 18:32.36 | asg | ningo: of course |
| 18:32.38 | dav89 | PLEASE! |
| 18:32.39 | greycat | SoTMaR: try "2", then. |
| 18:32.43 | dav89 | help me! |
| 18:32.50 | greycat | !tell dav89 about ask |
| 18:32.54 | asg | !hug sick days |
| 18:32.57 | FieldySnuts | SoTMaR: the general rule, is number of CPU's plus one, so try 3 if you have 2 cpus |
| 18:33.01 | drasko | asg, I've frogotten that.. thaks. I am trying this at workplace now... |
| 18:33.02 | FieldySnuts | SoTMaR: which is what I do |
| 18:33.06 | SoTMaR | OK |
| 18:33.07 | asg | drasko: you're welcome |
| 18:33.08 | SoTMaR | I'll try |
| 18:33.11 | ningo | dpkg has shiny metal arms? |
| 18:33.12 | dpkg | ningo: wish i knew |
| 18:33.14 | FieldySnuts | so that's -j3 not -j 3 |
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| 18:33.32 | CyzarX | anyone using 3ddesktop, how can i "call" it using keyboard shortcut key? |
| 18:33.37 | dav89 | i have network interface tun-00 with ipv6 connection but i don't want it and i don't know it is there! |
| 18:33.44 | FieldySnuts | SoTMaR: experiment with higher numbers too (not much higher), some people seem to think they reduce time. |
| 18:33.44 | Empty | FieldySnuts, I always wondered, if you have one of the CPUs that looks like 2 CPUs to the kernel, do you use 2 or 3? |
| 18:33.56 | greycat | dav89: ignore it, or stop using ipv6. |
| 18:34.02 | FieldySnuts | Empty: neither, this option is for true cpus not logical ones |
| 18:34.05 | dav89 | i don't want to use ipv6! |
| 18:34.09 | greycat | then don't. |
| 18:34.14 | FieldySnuts | Empty: but if you want to play with it feel free |
| 18:34.14 | dav89 | but i don't know how to remove it |
| 18:34.15 | Empty | CyzarX, that is WM specific |
| 18:34.22 | greycat | stop loading the ipv6 drivesr |
| 18:34.24 | greycat | drivers |
| 18:34.30 | dav89 | no i need to |
| 18:34.36 | dav89 | because i have my own ipv6 connection |
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| 18:34.43 | CyzarX | Empty, what do u mean? |
| 18:34.46 | greycat | then shut the fuck up. |
| 18:34.49 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 18:34.54 | FieldySnuts | @stfu dav89 |
| 18:34.55 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
| 18:34.57 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP dav89! |
| 18:35.07 | Empty | CyzarX, mapping keys to programs varies based on what window manager you are in |
| 18:35.12 | ricky_clarkson | !prise paulswm |
| 18:35.13 | dav89 | it isn't an answer |
| 18:35.19 | dav89 | i believe that there is a way to disable it |
| 18:35.28 | greycat | 13:34 dav89> because i have my own ipv6 connection |
| 18:35.36 | greycat | you're not making any damned sense. |
| 18:35.43 | paulswm | dammit, ricky_clarkson do you have to interfere with romance |
| 18:35.45 | Empty | dav89, did you look in interfaces like dpkg told you to? |
| 18:35.45 | dav89 | my god |
| 18:35.47 | CyzarX | Empty, im using kde |
| 18:35.53 | FieldySnuts | just +q him already you know you're going to anyway. |
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| 18:36.15 | greycat | you USE it but you DON'T WANT to use it, but you CAN'T disable it because you "have my own ipc6 connection", but you "believe there is a way to disable it"? |
| 18:36.17 | Empty | CyzarX, there should be som "Key mapping" or some such in the config menus then |
| 18:36.17 | dav89 | empity i have my own ipv6 connection with sixxs and i don't know why tun-00 is there! it isn't my sixxs' connection! |
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| 18:36.41 | greycat | dav89: /join #ipv6 |
| 18:36.45 | dav89 | green_earz: have you understood now??? |
| 18:36.49 | dav89 | it's debian problem! |
| 18:36.53 | Empty | dav89, answer the fucking question DID YOU LOOK IN THE INTERFACES FILE |
| 18:36.56 | greycat | !tell dav89 about blacklist |
| 18:37.02 | greycat | !tell dav89 about interfaces |
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| 18:37.07 | entheon | hias |
| 18:37.13 | FieldySnuts | hi entheon |
| 18:37.14 | dav89 | where is interface file? /etc/network/interface? |
| 18:37.18 | entheon | isn't there some sort of gnome/gtk graphical man pager? |
| 18:37.21 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 18:37.23 | ricky_clarkson | gman? |
| 18:37.24 | Empty | noid2, it's dav89 problem. dav89 is, however, a #debian problem |
| 18:37.33 | paulswm | !prize stew |
| 18:37.36 | entheon | i remember on debian there was a little help menu system and i would be able to read man pages with it |
| 18:37.37 | entheon | hmm |
| 18:37.38 | entheon | gman eh? |
| 18:37.38 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You're a plonker. |
| 18:37.40 | stew | whee |
| 18:37.45 | Empty | dav89, maybe you should have paid attention to what dpkg told you |
| 18:37.48 | paulswm | Hah |
| 18:37.58 | entheon | i can't remember what the app was called, i don't think it was gman though |
| 18:38.01 | infodroid | entheon: yes there is, its called dhelp |
| 18:38.04 | dav89 | in interfaces file there isn't tun-00 |
| 18:38.04 | greycat | entheon: man, xman, etc. |
| 18:38.08 | entheon | cuz it was able to read man pages and info pages and stuff |
| 18:38.12 | entheon | infodroid, yes dhelp |
| 18:38.15 | entheon | infodroid, i think that's it |
| 18:38.18 | ricky_clarkson | gnome-terminal -e info |
| 18:38.21 | entheon | infodroid, is that a debian only thing? |
| 18:38.28 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: *shudder* |
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| 18:38.44 | entheon | infodroid, i'm on FC3, i used to use #debian back in the day, and i was wondering where that nice graphical man pager went |
| 18:38.44 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I use gnome-terminal. |
| 18:38.52 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: and info(1)? |
| 18:38.53 | entheon | er |
| 18:38.58 | entheon | used to use Debian rather heh |
| 18:39.01 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Ah, rarely info. |
| 18:39.14 | asg | at least pinfo makes it bareable |
| 18:39.15 | greycat | !info dhelp |
| 18:39.20 | dpkg | dhelp: (online help system), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.5.19 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
| 18:39.28 | Empty | dav89, are you tunnelling ipv6 over ipv4? |
| 18:39.30 | asg | s./are/ear/ |
| 18:39.31 | infodroid | entheon: i personally would recommend apt-get install dhelp swish++ apache info2www man2html |
| 18:39.32 | greycat | asg: I don't want to see naked info pages. |
| 18:39.45 | dav89 | empty yes i see that message on bo |
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| 18:39.46 | dav89 | on boot |
| 18:39.56 | Empty | dav89, well then |
| 18:39.57 | TheZanke | is there a quick and fast way to add a new user in debian? |
| 18:40.01 | greycat | TheZanke: adduser |
| 18:40.08 | asg | greycat: I installed the bob2 typing module today |
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| 18:40.12 | TheZanke | to where i can still set it's home? |
| 18:40.13 | entheon | nope |
| 18:40.17 | entheon | actually it wasn't dhelp |
| 18:40.19 | greycat | TheZanke: man adduser |
| 18:40.21 | entheon | it was something different |
| 18:40.24 | entheon | though dhelp is close |
| 18:40.24 | greycat | entheon: dwww? |
| 18:40.27 | entheon | nope |
| 18:40.30 | entheon | it wasn't web based |
| 18:40.40 | dav89 | Empty: then? |
| 18:40.42 | entheon | it was a bonafide man page/info page browser that was gui |
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| 18:40.47 | Empty | dav89, that tun is your tunnel I would wager. IOW, you did set it up |
| 18:40.52 | entheon | i thought it was just called gnome-help |
| 18:40.59 | entheon | i'm pretty sure it was part of the gnome package |
| 18:41.02 | asg | greycat: and I'm still twitching from the fact that Nortel requires me to use Redhat 8.0 for their Alteon ITM setup. |
| 18:41.05 | FieldySnuts | heh somebody quit messing with his vuln version of ksirc |
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| 18:41.12 | dav89 | and so what can i do? |
| 18:41.24 | Delph | dav89: you can either have your ipv6 tunnel and that connectio will remain. |
| 18:41.34 | Delph | dav89: or you can stop having your ipv6 tunnel and that connection will dissappear. |
| 18:41.35 | Empty | dav89, nothing if you want the tunnel to keep working. |
| 18:41.44 | Delph | dav89: pick. There is no 3rd way. |
| 18:41.45 | entheon | yup |
| 18:41.47 | FieldySnuts | if he's using a tunnel, why does he want to remove it |
| 18:41.47 | entheon | it's gnome-help |
| 18:41.48 | entheon | aight |
| 18:41.50 | entheon | thx yall |
| 18:41.52 | infodroid | entheon: yes, gnome have a man front-end, but i've never used it. take my word it exists. |
| 18:41.59 | dav89 | I WANT TO REMOVE TUN-00 |
| 18:42.00 | Empty | FieldySnuts, PENKAC |
| 18:42.01 | Delph | FieldySnuts: we're here to provide advice, not suggest people are thick =:) |
| 18:42.01 | dav89 | DELETE IT |
| 18:42.02 | dav89 | BURN IT |
| 18:42.08 | entheon | alas, maybe i'll go back to debian :) |
| 18:42.09 | entheon | hehehe |
| 18:42.09 | Delph | dav89: then remove your tunnel connections. |
| 18:42.10 | Empty | FieldySnuts, errr PEBKAC rather |
| 18:42.12 | entheon | laterz thx |
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| 18:42.17 | FieldySnuts | Delph: you clearly haven't been here very long heh |
| 18:42.18 | dav89 | delph how |
| 18:42.21 | ricky_clarkson | dav89: Is that a song? |
| 18:42.28 | SoTMaR | FieldySnuts, I have a doubt. -j works when you launch make manually. Is there anyway to make the system use both processors or if I have the SMP support in kernel it is suppose to do it automatically? |
| 18:42.33 | dav89 | no it's desperate boy |
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| 18:42.41 | Delph | dav89: i dont know, how did you set it up in the first place? |
| 18:42.56 | greycat | SoTMaR: the kernel will assign processes to CPUs as needed. |
| 18:43.01 | dav89 | maybe with tscp |
| 18:43.08 | greycat | SoTMaR: "make -j" just makes more processes |
| 18:43.16 | Empty | dav89, then disable your tunnel you stupid shit. Christ, you really have no business on a computer at all, much less fucking with ipv6 |
| 18:43.18 | Delph | dav89: then maybe you should stop using tscp in your bootup process. |
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| 18:43.34 | greycat | Empty: welcome to my world! |
| 18:43.34 | dav89 | delph how? |
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| 18:43.42 | Delph | dav89: i dont know. You're the one who set it up, not me. |
| 18:43.56 | Empty | greycat, thanks, where's the nearest pub? |
| 18:43.59 | Delph | dav89: you might get away with deleting the contents of /etc and reinstalling them. |
| 18:44.01 | dav89 | i set up it with apt-get install tscp |
| 18:44.10 | greycat | Empty: /help ignore |
| 18:44.12 | asg | Empty: the fridge is always closer than the pub |
| 18:44.13 | Delph | dav89: try removing it then? |
| 18:44.15 | ricky_clarkson | Empty: Heh, you'll learn not to get too wound up. |
| 18:44.18 | dav89 | i've removed it |
| 18:44.21 | Delph | asg: but the fridge doesn't get weekly deliveries. |
| 18:44.29 | Empty | asg, no wenches in the fridge |
| 18:44.31 | asg | Delph: mine gets daily deliveries |
| 18:44.37 | Delph | asg: you lucky so and so. |
| 18:44.48 | ricky_clarkson | I don't see my fridge very often. |
| 18:44.57 | asg | Empty: true, that is a limitation. |
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| 18:45.24 | techniq | after 6yrs of SuSE I'm trying Debian, but I'm unable to start the Xserver. Is there another tool beside xf86config for doing this? |
| 18:45.27 | Empty | asg, plus after years of admin duty the little light in the fridge hurts my eyes |
| 18:45.37 | Empty | techniq YES |
| 18:45.44 | greycat | techniq: yes. /msg dpkg set up x |
| 18:45.48 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx techniq |
| 18:45.48 | greycat | !FAQ techniq |
| 18:45.49 | dpkg | techniq: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:45.49 | Empty | techniq, /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 18:45.49 | dpkg | techniq: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:45.58 | asg | Empty: ah, you need to learn to navigate in the dark |
| 18:46.00 | techniq | thanks |
| 18:46.00 | ricky_clarkson | faq off |
| 18:46.16 | greycat | Empty: also, light bulbs can be removed. |
| 18:46.56 | wnorrix | where can i find the reportbug.el ? |
| 18:47.06 | Empty | greycat, They are a dependency for wife-1.0.deb |
| 18:47.06 | asg | wnorrix: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:47.07 | greycat | !find reportbug.el |
| 18:47.24 | greycat | Empty: ah. perhaps a /usr/local/fridge, then? |
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| 18:47.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'reportbug.el' (1 shown): (/usr/share/reportbug/reportbug.el) in utils/reportbug. |
| 18:47.29 | liegev | hello |
| 18:47.43 | Empty | greycat, heh |
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| 18:47.58 | asg | Empty: but wife-1.0 has 'Provides: beer' |
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| 18:48.03 | liegev | is this a good place to ask for help? |
| 18:48.10 | greycat | !tell liegev about ask |
| 18:48.10 | ChubStudy | hello ! |
| 18:48.12 | SoTMaR | greycat, So if a make a "make bzImage" when compiling the kernel, is the system managing the processors? |
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| 18:48.18 | greycat | SoTMaR: yes. |
| 18:48.18 | dvs | asg: but "depends: fat-wallet" |
| 18:48.19 | stew | greycat: /usr/local/fridge wouldn't be fhs compliant |
| 18:48.21 | wnorrix | !find reportbug.el |
| 18:48.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'reportbug.el' (1 shown): (/usr/share/reportbug/reportbug.el) in utils/reportbug. |
| 18:48.35 | Empty | asg, I think that function is bugged in my install :-/ |
| 18:48.35 | stew | greycat: maybe /opt/fridge |
| 18:48.35 | greycat | wnorrix: what, you thought it moved in the last 2 minutes? |
| 18:49.01 | asg | dvs: not always, some already 'Depend: own-income, inhereted-wealth' |
| 18:49.04 | SoTMaR | greycat, I ask that because I have a dual P-II 400 MHz and compiling the kernel 2.6.9 takes about half an hour |
| 18:49.07 | wnorrix | greycat: no i thought it would do a /msg not just echo it in the channel |
| 18:49.08 | TheZanke | okay i added user html made it's home /var/www/ and did smbpasswd html and set the password yet i still cannot log into it like i can my username zanke |
| 18:49.11 | liegev | cool, I can figure out why when i try to install debian on my sony vaio it asks me for "rescue.bin" |
| 18:49.21 | SoTMaR | greycat, and I thought that was too much |
| 18:49.23 | greycat | wnorrix: it uses /msg if you /msg it first. |
| 18:49.26 | liegev | sorry I can not figure that out |
| 18:49.27 | asg | Empty: the developer of that package isn't very responsive to wishlist bugs, I know. |
| 18:49.29 | ChubStudy | question how traumtic would it be for a system to change from kernel 2.2.19 to 2.4.x ( the latest ) if It only really uses a networkcard and I want to make the change to move my fs from ext2 to ext3 .. ? |
| 18:49.33 | greycat | SoTMaR: so don't use "make bzImage". use "make -j3 bzImage". |
| 18:49.47 | greycat | SoTMaR: gods, how many people have to TELL you something before you accept it? |
| 18:50.21 | Empty | asg, yes... I think I got the sid package to boot |
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| 18:50.31 | SoTMaR | greycat, XD OK, don't get angry, I'm just a little bit curious, this is my first dual machine |
| 18:50.35 | asg | Empty: nothing like living on the cutting edge |
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| 18:51.20 | greycat | ChubStudy: shouldn't be that big a deal. |
| 18:51.30 | poptix | anyone know how to reboot without init? |
| 18:51.40 | poptix | as in, i don't have init running |
| 18:51.41 | greycat | poptix: rescue disk. |
| 18:51.43 | Empty | asg, oh well, at least the maintainer patched the beer.c and roofie.c vulns |
| 18:51.45 | ChubStudy | grey yes I tought so but I wanted to ask first :D |
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| 18:51.58 | poptix | greycat: no, the system is running, i want it to reboot |
| 18:52.07 | greycat | poptix: if you don't have init, that's going to be challenging. |
| 18:52.12 | poptix | i noticed =p |
| 18:52.17 | Empty | poptix, the system is running without init? |
| 18:52.17 | jstevens | bootsplash issues: appears to be installed, modified /boot/grub/menu.lst as I *thought* it should be modified, but it's not working... any thoughts? |
| 18:52.20 | greycat | I mean, the "coming back up" part. |
| 18:52.21 | chugga | greycat, can you use proc? |
| 18:52.23 | liegev | What is the rescue.bin file when you install? |
| 18:52.27 | ChubStudy | can a ext3 be fsck mounted ? |
| 18:52.32 | greycat | liegev: it's a floppy image. |
| 18:52.32 | poptix | greycat: oh, no.. i replaced init with my own stuff |
| 18:52.42 | greycat | poptix: apparently not very well... |
| 18:52.43 | poptix | it all works peachy |
| 18:52.46 | asg | Empty: were they forwarded upstream? |
| 18:52.46 | liegev | greycat: can i install without it |
| 18:52.47 | poptix | i just can't reboot. |
| 18:52.48 | jstevens | "appears to be installed" means I installed it and it didnt' give my any errors |
| 18:52.52 | greycat | !d-i liegev |
| 18:52.53 | dpkg | liegev, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:53.00 | greycat | poptix: I think you're outside the scope of #debian then. |
| 18:53.01 | stew | ChubStudy: what do you mean? |
| 18:53.11 | takatumi | greycat: 13:04:36 poptix | i shaved off like 40 megs with rm -rf /var/lib/[apt|dpkg] |
| 18:53.18 | hitu | how do i set my KDEDIR to /kdedev/kde-unstable |
| 18:53.19 | poptix | takatumi: =) |
| 18:53.19 | liegev | greycat, I'm sorry i donl;t know what that means |
| 18:53.19 | Empty | asg, they may have been |
| 18:53.26 | hitu | i tried adding it to my bash_profile |
| 18:53.29 | hitu | but it didn work |
| 18:53.33 | greycat | !d-i liegev |
| 18:53.34 | dpkg | liegev, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:53.34 | asg | poptix: follow what /etc/rc6.d would do. sync ; sync. Powercycle |
| 18:53.34 | ChubStudy | stew I mean chan I check an ext3 filesystem mounted with no problems ? |
| 18:53.35 | hitu | even after a reboot |
| 18:53.39 | asg | Empty: :) |
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| 18:53.43 | poptix | greycat: i suppose, if apt can't do it |
| 18:53.48 | ChubStudy | s/chan/can |
| 18:53.50 | greycat | liegev: it's a URL. You type it into a WEB BROWSER. |
| 18:53.53 | hitu | hey greycat :) |
| 18:53.56 | paulswm | greycat: poptix was here earlier today and has as far as I remember deleted a lot of stuff including /var/lib/[apt|dpkg], not sure you could call it a debian system any more |
| 18:54.10 | greycat | liegev: you know what a web browser is, or do we have to explain the last 15 years of computing advancements to you too? |
| 18:54.28 | hitu | lol |
| 18:54.29 | greycat | paulswm: I'm quite sure you can't. |
| 18:54.41 | poptix | hey |
| 18:54.42 | stew | ChubStudy: if you are going ot fsck a mounted filesystem it should be mounted readonly |
| 18:54.46 | poptix | it still has a debian soul ;) |
| 18:54.53 | ChubStudy | ok thx :D |
| 18:54.53 | poptix | i just ripped its heart out. |
| 18:54.58 | TheZanke | brb |
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| 18:55.08 | takatumi | 12:40:43 takatumi | poptix: if you do manage to boot and function properly after all this deletion, be |
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| 18:55.11 | takatumi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.42 | takatumi | is this guy a troll or what? |
| 18:55.49 | stew | poptix: i belive you might have gotten some of the soul too |
| 18:55.52 | greycat | he's definitely in the wrong channel |
| 18:55.55 | paulswm | takatumi: youy must be clairvoyant, heh |
| 18:56.15 | Xemacs__ | poptix, debootstrap the base, then have knoppx ready for dpkg -i debootstrp*deb |
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| 18:56.34 | paulswm | is there a channel like #ive-fucked-up-my-box |
| 18:56.38 | hitu | how do i set my KDEDIR to /kdedev/kde-unstable |
| 18:56.42 | hitu | i tried adding it to my bash_profile |
| 18:56.45 | dvs | paulswm: #ubuntu |
| 18:56.46 | hitu | but it didn work |
| 18:57.01 | paulswm | dvs: :> |
| 18:57.02 | hitu | nobody likes ubunut ? |
| 18:57.04 | poptix | Xemacs__: eh, everything works as it should |
| 18:57.04 | greycat | hitu: probably because you login with kdm instead of login. |
| 18:57.07 | hitu | ubuntu* |
| 18:57.13 | paulswm | I hate ubunuts |
| 18:57.16 | poptix | reboot -d -f -i <- reboots without init |
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| 18:57.25 | hitu | greycat: i m still installing kdelibs |
| 18:57.32 | greycat | hitu: then how DO you login? |
| 18:57.43 | hitu | well infact QTDIR is also not gettin loaded |
| 18:57.46 | hitu | greycat: gdm |
| 18:57.52 | greycat | !pal hitu |
| 18:57.55 | Souza10 | Does somebody know if I have to copy the system.map too when I compile a kernel? I the other system.map? won't I use it anymore? Why is there just one entrance into lilo.conf? |
| 18:57.57 | takatumi | hah |
| 18:58.07 | greycat | hitu: echo source \$HOME/.bash_profile > ~/.gnomerc |
| 18:58.09 | paulswm | hitu: To be truthful I have no experience of ubuntu |
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| 18:58.24 | hitu | paulswm: i m on Ubuntu |
| 18:58.37 | hitu | okay greycat thanks |
| 18:58.38 | takatumi | hitu: #ubuntu |
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| 18:58.58 | hitu | what about it ? |
| 18:59.01 | paulswm | Theb that's where you should be seeking help, in #ubuntu, this is #debian. |
| 18:59.10 | frozsyn | Hello |
| 18:59.13 | paulswm | hitu: Then that's where you should be seeking help, in #ubuntu, this is #debian. |
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| 18:59.23 | hitu | people in there are dumb. |
| 18:59.30 | greycat | that's because they run ubuntu |
| 18:59.33 | frozsyn | I have installed Debian 5 hours ago |
| 18:59.34 | takatumi | hitu: glad you noticed. |
| 18:59.37 | greycat | or no, I have that backwards. |
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| 18:59.44 | paulswm | hitu: Heh, then install debian sarge :P |
| 18:59.46 | stew | greycat: works in either direction |
| 18:59.54 | kreg | is there a trick to getting apt-setup to ask for contrib and non-free ? |
| 18:59.57 | hitu | paulswm: soon :P |
| 19:00.01 | greycat | stew: something about a feedback loop... |
| 19:00.08 | hitu | i dont have it with me right now .. |
| 19:00.14 | greycat | kreg: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:00.16 | takatumi | kreg: just add it to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:00.17 | stew | a self-reinforcing one even |
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| 19:00.39 | asuffield | yeah, inevitable consequence of any effort to pander to the majority |
| 19:00.48 | asuffield | since the single largest majority is always "the stupid" |
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| 19:00.59 | frozsyn | is there an easy way to cross compile a prog to Windows+SDL ? |
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| 19:01.15 | Souza10 | Does anybody know if I have to copy the system.map too when I compile a kernel? I the other system.map? won't I use it anymore? Why is there just one entrance into lilo.conf? |
| 19:01.17 | tomb0y | does deb have a pkg to convert dos files to unix files to remove the ^M controls |
| 19:01.24 | frozsyn | the prog work well on Linux+SDL |
| 19:01.28 | asg | tomb0y: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 19:01.42 | valdyn_ | Souza10: what are you tring to do? |
| 19:01.46 | greycat | Souza10: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:01.58 | greycat | Souza10: you SHOULD NOT HAVE a file named "system.map". Nor even "System.map". |
| 19:02.06 | valdyn_ | Souza10: make install does install System.map for you ( on 2.6.x), make-kpkg does everything for you |
| 19:02.07 | greycat | at least, not in /boot. maybe in the kernel source tree. |
| 19:02.16 | kreg | takatumi what is the syntax? just add "contrib" and "non-free" after main on the same line? |
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| 19:02.27 | greycat | kreg: yes |
| 19:02.33 | kreg | k, thanks |
| 19:02.40 | greycat | kreg: man sources.list |
| 19:02.45 | greycat | there's a fucking EXAMPLE. |
| 19:02.58 | greycat | actually there are many. |
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| 19:03.08 | takatumi | oh, that's 2 mans then. |
| 19:03.18 | takatumi | with examples. |
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| 19:03.45 | greycat | yeah, someone must have drugged the maintainers and stolen their PGP keys to upload reasonable documentation while they weren't in a position to prevent it. |
| 19:04.09 | kreg | zoiks, sorry |
| 19:04.12 | asuffield | it's a different maintainer |
| 19:04.25 | takatumi | greycat: was it you talking to RMS about abaci? |
| 19:04.28 | greycat | takatumi: no |
| 19:04.34 | greycat | takatumi: err... maybe. what do you mean? |
| 19:04.54 | takatumi | greycat: nothing, happened to read the logs, had a doubt it was you. |
| 19:05.06 | greycat | takatumi: what logs? |
| 19:05.10 | jannol | where do i find mod_include ? |
| 19:05.26 | asg | jannol: it's in the apache package |
| 19:05.36 | jannol | no |
| 19:05.54 | takatumi | greycat: http://slashnet.org/forums/rms-19991009.html |
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| 19:06.07 | greycat | takatumi: that's me. |
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| 19:06.19 | frozsyn | anybody knows how to setup an environnement to cross-compile a SDL prog to Windows ? |
| 19:06.19 | takatumi | 1999 eh? :) |
| 19:06.24 | greycat | takatumi: it may not make total sense out of context. |
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| 19:06.42 | takatumi | greycat: hmm, I kinda got the drift. |
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| 19:07.17 | chugga | is that log real? |
| 19:07.22 | chugga | it seems a bit made up :-/ |
| 19:08.00 | RolandU | hi all! |
| 19:08.03 | jannol | asg, I don't have any mod_include.so and there is no apache-mod-include in repositary for sarge |
| 19:08.21 | greycat | chugga: I think it's real. or at least the few bits I glanced at seem to match my memory. |
| 19:08.33 | asg | jannol: iirc, it's compiled into apache |
| 19:08.45 | Delicates | are there any duplicate file finder apps? |
| 19:08.59 | jannol | asg, ok how do I load it then ?! |
| 19:09.08 | asg | jannol: apache-common: usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_include.so |
| 19:09.09 | common | find md5sum sort uniq |
| 19:09.16 | common | Delicates: |
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| 19:09.45 | RolandU | my printing system is broken. HP DeskJet 816C, reinstalled CUPS and LPR, system now immediately aborts any jobs coming in. I removed the spooler-contents yesterday bacause there was some error in there. I don't know what to do, pls help |
| 19:10.13 | chugga | greycat, amazing. heh. |
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| 19:10.44 | jannol | asg, I do not have that file mod_include.so |
| 19:11.10 | Led_Zeppelin | dpkg X help |
| 19:11.10 | dpkg | wish i knew, Led_Zeppelin |
| 19:11.13 | asg | jannol: what debian? what apache? |
| 19:11.35 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 19:11.35 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:11.44 | greycat | jannol: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:11.51 | jannol | sarge, apache 1.3 |
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| 19:12.21 | greycat | chugga: I see they cut off the logging as soon as RMS left. There was some discussion afterward about how they arranged the chat, etc. |
| 19:13.17 | asg | jannol: then use /usr/sbin/modules-config to add it |
| 19:13.26 | takatumi | #debian is publicly logged. |
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| 19:15.39 | asg | greycat: did he really ask how to emote and /quit? |
| 19:15.45 | unused | :> |
| 19:15.46 | unused | axaxa |
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| 19:16.53 | greycat | asg: the "how do I sigh" was a typo for "sign off" |
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| 19:17.32 | nexo | using alsa, how do i change the base and treble settings |
| 19:17.35 | kirbymeister | i wonder who uses the term 'free software' anymore |
| 19:17.37 | greycat | alsamixer |
| 19:17.41 | n-vortex | I have Debian 3.0 r0 1cd and 16cd cut of repository (20040925). I can install base system only from 3.0r0. Can I install the base system and then upgrade from this 16cd?? Will libc, kernel, X upgrade? What I must do for this? |
| 19:17.43 | takatumi | the bot almost passed the turing test with him... |
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| 19:17.49 | greycat | kirbymeister: uh, everyone that's not in ESR's camp. |
| 19:18.06 | kirbymeister | who's ESR? the guy in the OSI movement? |
| 19:18.31 | dvs | greycat: ESR? I though he used open source |
| 19:18.34 | kirbymeister | Seriously, I see no reason why OSI needed to exist |
| 19:18.35 | asg | greycat: ah |
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| 19:18.41 | stew | kirbymeister: /msg dpkg esr |
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| 19:18.48 | greycat | dvs: precisely. |
| 19:18.57 | dvs | ah |
| 19:19.04 | kirbymeister | aah |
| 19:19.10 | kirbymeister | that's ESR.. |
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| 19:19.25 | takatumi | take spelling as well. |
| 19:19.26 | kirbymeister | Still, OSI is reduntdant |
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| 19:19.33 | dvs | takatumi: otay |
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| 19:20.18 | kirbymeister | and btw, for some reason only 1 program can output sound at a time, leading to things such as having to reboot Firefox to load homestarrunner.com |
| 19:20.19 | greycat | ESR's "open source" thing started out as a pragmatic way to pitch free software to corporations without scaring them. |
| 19:20.36 | kirbymeister | greycat: I know |
| 19:20.45 | takatumi | blues brothers 2000 on tv/ |
| 19:21.10 | kirbymeister | greycat: but I still think that the 'open source' movement is a redundant fork |
| 19:21.12 | asg | takatumi: doesn't that have 1/2 the cast of Revenge of the Nerds in it anyway? |
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| 19:21.21 | n-vortex | sorry for my eanglish, i'm from russia. did you understand my question? |
| 19:21.27 | takatumi | asg: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118747/ |
| 19:21.32 | kirbymeister | Does GNOME have a sound-server? |
| 19:21.35 | greycat | kirbymeister: the goals are different. free software is about freedom; open source is about marketing. |
| 19:21.47 | greycat | kirbymeister: yes, esd. |
| 19:21.49 | kirbymeister | i prefer freedom to marketing |
| 19:22.13 | greycat | n-vortex: yes, you can upgrade over the internet. |
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| 19:22.40 | greycat | n-vortex: and you can also install new packages from your CDs, but they won't be an "upgrade". They'll be 2.5+ years old. |
| 19:23.19 | Shimonn | what could send that kind of http requets ? "recipientid=270&sessionid=3807" |
| 19:23.40 | asg | Shimonn: anything that can open a tcp port |
| 19:23.41 | n-vortex | greycat: no. they was downloaded 2004.09 |
| 19:23.47 | greycat | Shimonn: a web browser. |
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| 19:24.03 | greycat | n-vortex: they're still 3.0r0 according to your own statement. |
| 19:24.10 | greycat | n-vortex: therefore, they're from July 2002. |
| 19:24.37 | greycat | I could download OpenBSD 2.7 in 2005, but that doesn't make it OpenBSD 3.6. |
| 19:24.38 | Shimonn | a browser would send something like "GET /foo HTTP/1.1" |
| 19:24.59 | greycat | Shimonn: in this case, it send "GET /?recipientid=270&sessionid=3807 HTTP/1.1" or similar. |
| 19:25.03 | greycat | sent* |
| 19:25.09 | n-vortex | greycat: I have 1cd of 3.0 r0 and 16cd of downloaded packages |
| 19:25.11 | asg | Shimonn: or foo?recipientid=270&sessionid=3807' |
| 19:25.16 | abrotman | 16? |
| 19:25.18 | greycat | n-vortex: you're on your own. have fun. |
| 19:25.26 | Shimonn | no no, i see that in my logs |
| 19:25.28 | ChubStudy | hi I'm trying to compliate my kernel but it says I have no ncurses but debian says I have libncurses5 installed what can I do ? |
| 19:25.37 | greycat | !FAQ ChubStudy |
| 19:25.38 | dpkg | ChubStudy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:25.45 | abrotman | !ru |
| 19:25.45 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 19:25.53 | greycat | ChubStudy: at least you got farther than MOST of the newbies who ask that question did. |
| 19:25.54 | Shimonn | the request is "recipientid=270&sessionid=3807" without any GET or HTTP:1.1 |
| 19:25.56 | dvs | ChubStudy: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 19:26.02 | ChubStudy | thx |
| 19:26.12 | dvs | !depends kernel-package |
| 19:26.15 | dpkg | kernel-package: depends on perl, dpkg (>= 1.4), dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.0.9), gcc | c-compiler, make |
| 19:26.21 | dvs | D'oh |
| 19:26.22 | greycat | dvs: would be nice, wouldn't it? |
| 19:26.28 | dvs | yup |
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| 19:26.35 | n-vortex | greycat: what i must do for upgrade all the system? |
| 19:26.42 | jannol | asg, for some reason it didn't work out so I installed apache-perl instead and yes now I have mod_include but now I'll try to configure SSI for users |
| 19:26.44 | greycat | n-vortex: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 19:26.49 | greycat | n-vortex: man apt-get; man sources.list |
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| 19:27.19 | asg | shingouz: 192.168.1.1 - - [18/Feb/2005:14:27:46 -0500] "GET recipientid=270&sessionid=3807 HTTP/1.0" 400 409 "-" "-" |
| 19:27.23 | abrotman | man apt-setup ? |
| 19:27.23 | chugga | greycat, surely that think is a joke. gnu abacus? heh |
| 19:27.32 | jannol | asg, btw you're great, thx for all your help |
| 19:27.33 | Xemacs__ | greycat which funtion key is that bound to ? |
| 19:27.44 | asg | jannol: you're welcome |
| 19:27.45 | n-vortex | ok senks |
| 19:28.06 | greycat | Xemacs__: my belly button, I think. |
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| 19:28.17 | greycat | chugga: of course it's a joke. |
| 19:28.33 | takatumi | *plonk* |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | chugga: did you read the web comics on after-y2k.com from around that time yet? |
| 19:28.43 | greycat | takatumi: heh |
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| 19:29.43 | racoontje|clone | Hi. Right now I'm using ubuntu, but I'm thinking of going back to Debian. There's just one problem... On Ubuntu, I had a package called linux-restricted-modules (part of the multiverse (your non-free) repo). It contained modules like nvidia and other non-free stuff. Is this availible in Debian or do I have to install the packages manually? |
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| 19:29.59 | greycat | racoontje|clone: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 19:30.39 | takatumi | it's like people go to ubuntu and come back for fresh air. |
| 19:30.40 | racoontje|clone | thanks greycat :-) |
| 19:30.46 | takatumi | s/me/ming |
| 19:31.25 | asg | takatumi: the former was the better choice |
| 19:31.27 | racoontje|clone | ubuntu is sorta nice. The only reason people go to ubuntu in the first place is xorg. The problem is it's very gnome centric. |
| 19:31.44 | takatumi | asg: realized it after the s/blah/blooh |
| 19:31.45 | racoontje|clone | I'm afraid packages like KDE will lack updates, for example. |
| 19:31.51 | greycat | the fact that you perceive that as a problem shows that you still have a brain. |
| 19:31.56 | frozsyn | anybody knows how to setup an environnement to cross-compile a SDL prog to Windows ? |
| 19:31.57 | stew | i can't imagine switching distros just to get xorg |
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| 19:31.59 | TheZanke | okay, so far i got debian working, apache is working, now all i need is to set up the debian machine to allow me to ftp into /var/www/ |
| 19:32.11 | TheZanke | any quick way of doing this |
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| 19:32.17 | racoontje|clone | greycat, who, me? |
| 19:32.20 | greycat | racoontje|clone: yes |
| 19:32.33 | asg | TheZanke: if you *have* to use ftp, proftpd is probably a good choice. |
| 19:32.42 | TheZanke | i know |
| 19:32.43 | chugga | greycat, no not yet, hehe. wheres the comic? |
| 19:32.51 | takatumi | racoontje|clone: you could theoretically grab the ubuntu xorg debs as well. |
| 19:32.57 | greycat | !pal marcel_ |
| 19:32.58 | TheZanke | but i need to set up the server side of the ftp, on the debian machine itself |
| 19:33.00 | greycat | 14:32 DCC CHAT from marcel_ [192.168.1.100 port 32779] |
| 19:33.05 | racoontje|clone | greycat, wow, I feel like the scarecrow in the wizard of oz. |
| 19:33.14 | greycat | marcel_: you idiot, you're NATted. you can't initiate DCCs. |
| 19:33.31 | Koffa | broken nat :) |
| 19:33.38 | racoontje|clone | takatumi, true, but I don't feel like toying with apt preferences |
| 19:33.42 | racoontje|clone | Koffa, indeed, broken |
| 19:33.52 | racoontje|clone | I'm NATted too but I can start DCC just fine |
| 19:33.54 | racoontje|clone | AFAIK |
| 19:34.13 | greycat | racoontje|clone: only if you have special kernelspace filters on your linux NAT |
| 19:34.27 | TheZanke | asg: what is the ftp server that COMES with debian? and how do i go about setting that up? |
| 19:34.43 | greycat | with a standard ordinary NAT, you get what marcel_'s getting. he's broadcasting his private (192.168.1.100) IP and expecting me to connect to it. |
| 19:34.47 | stew | TheZanke: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:34.48 | cyklus | Im installing a server and security is a big concern... would I be better off with stable or testing, taking in to consideration that stable is as old as it is? |
| 19:34.54 | stew | TheZanke: apt-cache search ftpd |
| 19:35.01 | RolandU | where do I find the CUPS-log? |
| 19:35.01 | juhov | cyklus: stable |
| 19:35.03 | stew | cyklus: stable |
| 19:35.05 | greycat | not that I'd be willing to DCC CHAT with him under *any* circumstances, but... as is, it's not even an option. |
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| 19:35.38 | Koffa | which irc-client? |
| 19:35.52 | cyklus | juhov, stew: any particular reasons? |
| 19:35.54 | Koffa | eg. irssi has dcc_own_ip for situations like that |
| 19:35.59 | *** part/#debian marcel_ (~marcel@cc241384-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 19:36.08 | asg | hmmm, when did openbsd-inetd arrive |
| 19:36.21 | Koffa | not that anyone would ever need dcc for anything :) |
| 19:36.23 | greycat | asg: check the changelog :) |
| 19:36.39 | stew | cyklus: becuase stable gets security updates and testing doesn't |
| 19:36.43 | asg | greycat: I'm going to, I was surprised to see it |
| 19:37.00 | cyklus | stew: thats good enough for me, thanks |
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| 19:37.23 | droberts_ | I just acquired a 160gb usb drive that I'd like to use with my new debian system. Can anyone point me to a resource that would help me format and configure this? |
| 19:37.39 | stew | droberts_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:37.47 | greycat | he just doesn't learn, does he? |
| 19:37.49 | greycat | 14:37 DCC CHAT from please_i_want_my [192.168.1.100 port 32780] |
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| 19:38.16 | takatumi | greycat: he is trying to plead. |
| 19:38.19 | asg | greycat: august 02 |
| 19:38.39 | Xemacs__ | it must be sunday again |
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| 19:38.58 | takatumi | got_no_voice: I hear your pain. |
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| 19:39.19 | frozsyn | nobody can help me ? |
| 19:39.27 | greycat | anyone care to guess what IP address got_no_voice sent me in his DCC CHAT request? |
| 19:39.37 | asg | greycat: 192.168.1.100? |
| 19:39.40 | greycat | !win asg |
| 19:39.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:39.52 | asg | \o/ |
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| 19:39.54 | paulswm | Funny. |
| 19:40.07 | got_no_voice | help |
| 19:40.10 | xpato | anyone using kismet and ipw2100? |
| 19:40.11 | cyklus | can anyone recommend a cd burning app that runs in gnome? |
| 19:40.12 | greycat | hahahaha |
| 19:40.14 | asg | oh, it got voice |
| 19:40.18 | takatumi | heh |
| 19:40.18 | got_no_voice | hey! i can speak |
| 19:40.19 | greycat | Got voice? |
| 19:40.24 | got_no_voice | great |
| 19:40.25 | got_no_voice | thanks |
| 19:40.26 | SquareRt | is RFC 1459 the latest specification for IRC protocol? |
| 19:40.32 | got_no_voice | sorry |
| 19:40.37 | got_no_voice | to greycat and others |
| 19:40.45 | Xemacs__ | cyklus, xcdroast |
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| 19:40.57 | greycat | 14:40 80 - #Debian: ban %marcel*!*@* [by greycat!~wooledg@192.35.79.70, 1210165 secs ago] |
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| 19:41.35 | greycat | that's... hmm... 2 weeks. |
| 19:41.42 | got_no_voice | yep |
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| 19:41.52 | *** mode/#Debian [-q marcel*!*@*] by greycat |
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| 19:42.11 | ideafix | lol |
| 19:42.20 | got_no_voice | what's so funny |
| 19:42.25 | dvs | yeah |
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| 19:42.36 | ideafix | greycat |
| 19:42.51 | cyklus | whats the best netinstall cd image for stable? ...seems to be a bunch |
| 19:42.54 | greycat | !d-i |
| 19:42.54 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 19:42.55 | ideafix | hes my guardian angel |
| 19:42.57 | ideafix | lol |
| 19:43.08 | takatumi | but that's testing not stable. |
| 19:43.38 | got_no_voice | anyone got longhorn? |
| 19:43.47 | got_no_voice | just kidding! |
| 19:43.48 | greycat | another 2 weeks, then? |
| 19:43.48 | ideafix | x=n+30=sarge |
| 19:43.57 | got_no_voice | dont ban me |
| 19:44.06 | FieldySnuts | dont be an ass, then |
| 19:44.06 | cyklus | Xemacs__: how do you feel it compares to k3b? |
| 19:44.17 | abrotman | i can't imagine why he was banned before |
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| 19:44.29 | got_no_voice | i pasted 4 lines of text |
| 19:44.44 | takatumi | and got banned for that? no way. |
| 19:44.47 | dvs | got_no_voice: That would get you booted but not banned |
| 19:45.00 | ideafix | how do i write ûûû but using another number ? |
| 19:45.02 | got_no_voice | well i sort of did it multiple times |
| 19:45.06 | greycat | abrotman: his sarcasm meter is broken, too. |
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| 19:45.09 | FieldySnuts | ideafix: what do you mean by number? |
| 19:45.14 | dvs | got_no_voice: tsk tsk tsk.. |
| 19:45.25 | got_no_voice | i said i was sorry |
| 19:45.29 | greycat | ideafix: a u with ^ on it isn't a number |
| 19:45.32 | abrotman | greycat: and he's dumb! |
| 19:45.34 | got_no_voice | i had enough punishment |
| 19:45.41 | quitte | how can i stop distcc from using the gcc on the localhost? i want to use remote gcc only. |
| 19:45.41 | dvs | got_no_voice: but it's right in the topic |
| 19:45.41 | ideafix | i mean power of 2 |
| 19:45.52 | abrotman | you mean like 2^2 ? |
| 19:45.54 | FieldySnuts | ideafix: i still don't understand your quesiton |
| 19:45.55 | RolandU | I just got my printer working, I am now trying to understand why it works....... I installed CUPS, LPR and foomatic..... which does what and which do I really need? |
| 19:46.01 | paulswm | got_no_voice: welcome back, you served your time, stay away from the Dark Side :) |
| 19:46.11 | got_no_voice | dvs, o yeah i see it now |
| 19:46.19 | got_no_voice | thank you guys |
| 19:46.24 | got_no_voice | this makes me cry |
| 19:46.24 | ideafix | ûûûûû thats a 1 |
| 19:46.25 | quitte | RolandU: one of lpr or cups does the job. not both |
| 19:46.33 | takatumi | !comfort got_no_voice |
| 19:46.34 | dpkg | There, there, got_no_voice. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:46.35 | greycat | ideafix: no, it's 5 u's with ^'s on them |
| 19:46.41 | asg | ideafix: no, it's five 'u's with boobs |
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| 19:46.50 | abrotman | are they both trolls? |
| 19:46.53 | ideafix | not from were im loking at it |
| 19:46.57 | RolandU | quitte, and what's that foomatic-thing? |
| 19:47.02 | abrotman | yeah .. i think they are |
| 19:47.12 | got_no_voice | foomatic are printer drivers, i thought |
| 19:47.23 | quitte | RolandU: drivers. can'T tell if the driver for your model is in that package |
| 19:47.27 | ideafix | its a small 1 uplifted |
| 19:47.38 | asg | ah, wonder integers |
| 19:47.42 | quitte | RolandU: cups and lpr are spoolers rather than drivers. |
| 19:47.48 | RolandU | quitte, I installed foomatic_db_hpijs and after that it magically started working |
| 19:47.48 | greycat | ideafix: your character set is not coming across IRC |
| 19:47.58 | greycat | ideafix: you can't safely use anything but plain 7-bit ASCII here. |
| 19:48.04 | ideafix | nvm then |
| 19:48.05 | abrotman | ideafix: use UTF |
| 19:48.16 | asg | jannol: the 9:30 show is much better than the 7:30 show |
| 19:48.19 | greycat | ideafix: try reading the appropriate man page for your character set (e.g. "man iso-8859-1") |
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| 19:48.31 | toptnc | hi all |
| 19:48.34 | abrotman | asg: i prefer 1630EST on sundays |
| 19:48.35 | got_no_voice | hello |
| 19:48.39 | dvs | hola |
| 19:48.45 | quitte | RolandU: don't worry that wont happen too often ;) |
| 19:48.49 | ideafix | 2^3 |
| 19:48.52 | asg | abrotman: I'm usually at our weekly dug meeting at that time |
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| 19:49.18 | ideafix | is that how its done ? |
| 19:49.20 | toptnc | i want to know how can i copy files from a cdrom and have it automatically with write permissions in my hard disk |
| 19:49.37 | ideafix | 2^3+4=x ? |
| 19:49.37 | FieldySnuts | huh? |
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| 19:49.52 | got_a_voice | toptnc, cp /media/cdrom/* /mnt/hd && chmod +x /mnt/hd/* |
| 19:50.00 | RolandU | New Slogan: never apt-upgrade a running system! |
| 19:50.10 | toptnc | got_a_voice: i looking for something more transparent |
| 19:50.11 | ChubStudy | what is initrd kernel image ? |
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| 19:50.19 | got_a_voice | toptnc, like? |
| 19:50.19 | greycat | toptnc: write a script |
| 19:50.19 | abrotman | ideafix: i passed math 101 a long time ago |
| 19:50.24 | asg | RolandU: you can't apt-get upgrade a non-running one (unless you chroot it I suppose) |
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| 19:50.38 | RolandU | asg: by running I mean working |
| 19:50.41 | toptnc | something that i can use in nautilus file manager |
| 19:50.42 | ideafix | i hate math i think ive never passed |
| 19:50.46 | toptnc | something at mount level |
| 19:50.54 | greycat | abrotman: I think he's trying to ask how to make the ^3 a superscript in whatever display/terminal/chalkboard/sandbox he's writing it on. |
| 19:50.55 | abrotman | bah .. they're so fucking dumb |
| 19:50.56 | ideafix | i got a 0 once |
| 19:51.00 | ideafix | i was so proud |
| 19:51.09 | abrotman | greycat: please ... ? |
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| 19:51.17 | abrotman | both of them ? |
| 19:51.22 | asg | RolandU: ? you need to get security updates though |
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| 19:51.31 | js_ | i have a partition of 60gb that i use for my whole / ... but i want to split it up into two partitions, can i do that in cfdisk without losing information? i only got 800mb stored on it so far |
| 19:51.40 | abrotman | greycat: i can whine if that helps ? |
| 19:51.44 | jannol | toptnc, create a script and symlink it into ex. /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 19:51.47 | asg | js_: try gnu parted |
| 19:51.55 | RolandU | asg: yeah, I just meant that sometimes upgrades create more problems than they solve |
| 19:51.56 | js_ | asg: ok |
| 19:52.04 | asg | RolandU: only on sarge and sid |
| 19:52.09 | stew | js_: backup the data somewhere else, partition, restore the data |
| 19:52.19 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 19:52.21 | droberts_ | I don't see the "sd" module in modconf. How can I load it? |
| 19:52.22 | ideafix | when is sarge coming out ? |
| 19:52.27 | abrotman | oh my fucking god |
| 19:52.29 | greycat | !wwsr |
| 19:52.29 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 19:52.37 | abrotman | greycat: didn't you tell him 10 minutes ago? |
| 19:52.37 | asg | abrotman: I took today off as well, so I've been at it for a while (barring the conference call with Nortel earlier) |
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| 19:52.49 | abrotman | asg: those damn nortel people ! |
| 19:52.49 | greycat | abrotman: someone else, I think |
| 19:52.58 | abrotman | greycat: but he was here .. |
| 19:53.01 | abrotman | oh well |
| 19:53.09 | asg | abrotman: they want me to install redhat 8, I've been arguing. |
| 19:53.10 | greycat | !beer abrotman |
| 19:53.13 | RolandU | I don't believe that sarge will ever be stable |
| 19:53.13 | abrotman | asg: i wanna move south!! .. it's so damn cold here |
| 19:53.20 | ideafix | i was trying to make an equation to solve the N+30 thing |
| 19:53.22 | abrotman | asg: why .. it's no longer in service |
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| 19:53.25 | asg | abrotman: it's pretty chilly here right now |
| 19:53.29 | abrotman | greycat: can i have three more? |
| 19:53.32 | jannol | asg, got it, now cgi and SSI IncludesNoExec works like a charm, ;) |
| 19:53.40 | RolandU | It was more than a year ago when we first talked about "only 30 days left" |
| 19:53.40 | asg | abrotman: because vendors only support the one thing they used when they built that thing. |
| 19:53.41 | paulswm | abrotman: It's been a bit chilly here today, actually, I was surprised |
| 19:53.41 | greycat | abrotman: /msg dpkg beer /msg dpkg beer /msg dpkg beer |
| 19:53.45 | asg | jannol: good |
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| 19:53.48 | abrotman | greycat: heh |
| 19:53.53 | greycat | or "beer me" |
| 19:53.54 | ideafix | abrotman: are you marryed to irc ? |
| 19:54.01 | abrotman | asg: guess what ... they really need to be told that rh8 is EOL |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | ideafix: married |
| 19:54.25 | ideafix | abrotman: are you married to irc ? |
| 19:54.31 | abrotman | are you a fucking idiot? |
| 19:54.36 | FieldySnuts | RolandU: in the sarge pool, i put my guess as 2009 for a reason. |
| 19:54.40 | asg | abrotman: I told them, I'm getting them to agree to support it on debian (the requirements are only perl 5, mysql 3.23, some apache, and Send Mail) Yes, they apparently haven't used a Unix either. |
| 19:54.41 | ideafix | thes bots dont understand misspelings ... |
| 19:54.49 | jannol | can vim be used with tabs ? |
| 19:54.58 | FieldySnuts | ideafix: damn humans can't understand logic. |
| 19:54.59 | abrotman | asg: sounds like woody :) |
| 19:55.02 | got_a_voice | jannol, tabs? |
| 19:55.29 | asg | abrotman: yep, their install guide pdf for RH 8 is more in depth than RH's which is funny as hell. |
| 19:55.30 | got_a_voice | asg, the problem is that debian hasnt got support |
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| 19:55.41 | abrotman | asg: what is this for? .. voicemail ? |
| 19:55.43 | got_a_voice | asg, like red hat gives to companies |
| 19:56.00 | abrotman | got_a_voice: right .. because RH supported RH8 for all of what .. 12 months ? |
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| 19:56.09 | abrotman | 15 months? |
| 19:56.09 | asg | got_a_voice: they will support it if I demonstrate that there are no major differences. |
| 19:56.15 | maher | got_a_voice: buy support from progeny or whoever |
| 19:56.19 | ideafix | i think im going to fedora if sarge dont comes out soon |
| 19:56.21 | abrotman | asg: they will support it if they want your money :) |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | ideafix: #fedora |
| 19:56.28 | asg | abrotman: no, traffic management for their alteon switches |
| 19:56.29 | FieldySnuts | @troll ideafix |
| 19:56.29 | droberts_ | Can anyone tell me how load the "sd" module? |
| 19:56.30 | ideafix | im there |
| 19:56.31 | greycat | ideafix: don't let the channel door hit you in the ass on the way out. |
| 19:56.35 | abrotman | asg: oh .. fun fun |
| 19:56.46 | abrotman | ideafix: aren't you going to leave this channel? |
| 19:56.48 | jannol | got_a_voice, yes kinda lika just a key shortcut as ex. Alt+<somekey> for a quick switch between multiple vim in the same console |
| 19:56.50 | ideafix | no |
| 19:56.53 | dvs | droberts_: modprobe sd |
| 19:56.53 | abrotman | fuck |
| 19:56.55 | ideafix | should i ? |
| 19:56.58 | greycat | ideafix: yes. |
| 19:56.59 | got_a_voice | if you buy linux from a big company you get better support - that is the safe bet of a manager |
| 19:57.01 | asg | abrotman: we are paying a decent amount plus looking to expand from Extreme to their hardware as well so the road will be lucrative for them I expect. |
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| 19:57.12 | ideafix | i like debian better then fedora |
| 19:57.13 | droberts_ | cvs: Can't locate module sd |
| 19:57.16 | got_a_voice | a manager will always choose big names, because he doesnt want to get fired |
| 19:57.16 | greycat | got_a_voice: so get support from a company. |
| 19:57.20 | abrotman | ideafix: if you're not running debian and have no intention of it .. and obviously you have no knowledge of it |
| 19:57.23 | greycat | got_a_voice: or form your own debian support company and make money. |
| 19:57.30 | asg | got_a_voice: calling redhat on a 1-800 number is not as good as calling me in the office. |
| 19:57.30 | ideafix | i all ways get such a warm welcome here ! |
| 19:57.32 | FieldySnuts | ideafix: then stay here, and try not to irritate us (threatening to use something else for instance) |
| 19:57.33 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. tell them you want debian support :) |
| 19:57.37 | got_a_voice | greycat, not if you are a bank for instance |
| 19:57.45 | greycat | got_a_voice: why does that matter? |
| 19:57.47 | chugga | I think he makes a good point => <RMS> You can even sell your abacus. That's freedom |
| 19:57.51 | abrotman | got_a_voice: that matters not |
| 19:57.54 | maher | got_a_voice: how can small companies exist then? |
| 19:57.59 | ChubStudy | what's better kernel with intrd or without? |
| 19:58.00 | asg | abrotman: no, I don't need debian support, I just need them not to give me any gaff if their crap brakes and I can demonstrate that it is their fault. |
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| 19:58.03 | greycat | got_a_voice: form your own "DebianMarcelCo" consulting firm that sells Debian support. |
| 19:58.05 | got_a_voice | i can only say about my personal experience with banks |
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| 19:58.16 | ideafix | im not threatning anyh one did you felt thretned ? |
| 19:58.23 | got_a_voice | greycat, i am not a big name |
| 19:58.26 | greycat | got_a_voice: then contract with the bank to get paid for supporting Debian at a higher rate than you would if you were a bank employee. |
| 19:58.27 | FieldySnuts | can we +q this guy already |
| 19:58.30 | greycat | got_a_voice: everyone wins. |
| 19:58.34 | abrotman | from my experience .. a bank manager hasn't got a clue .. and will do whatever you tell them works best |
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| 19:58.38 | takatumi | ideafix: you are not threatening, just boring. |
| 19:58.45 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i suppose |
| 19:58.49 | RolandU | I am not able to add bets to the sarge pool...... |
| 19:58.50 | ideafix | i think abrotman is floding the chann |
| 19:58.50 | got_a_voice | a bank will only pick the big names, even if they are 8 times more expensive |
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| 19:59.01 | abrotman | takatumi: not the wordi would have chosen |
| 19:59.04 | droberts_ | dvs: Can't locate module sd |
| 19:59.04 | abrotman | ideafix: with what? |
| 19:59.05 | asg | abrotman: it'll be fine but I'm not putting RH 8 on my network. |
| 19:59.07 | greycat | got_a_voice: so become a big name by serving a few tailors and restaurants first. |
| 19:59.08 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: heh. |
| 19:59.11 | maher | got_a_voice: well that's just great for banks then |
| 19:59.15 | dvs | droberts_: Do it as root |
| 19:59.17 | ideafix | with spam chat |
| 19:59.21 | FieldySnuts | got_a_voice: that's their loss then, oh well |
| 19:59.22 | abrotman | asg: it's not supported anymore .. i don't blame you .. i don't even thing fedora-legacy is supporting it |
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| 19:59.30 | droberts_ | dvs: Already root. Same message. |
| 19:59.31 | ideafix | lool |
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| 19:59.36 | FieldySnuts | greycat: thanks! |
| 19:59.37 | paulswm | Roh-roh |
| 19:59.38 | got_a_voice | i was just trying to explain things in real life banking |
| 19:59.41 | abrotman | greycat: didn't you just -q him ? |
| 19:59.42 | got_a_voice | sorry about that then |
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| 19:59.45 | airguitar | question: which application package or preference can i install/change so that i have the ability to right-click on iso images and mount them as a fake drive? |
| 19:59.46 | asg | abrotman: I purged Redhat from our network at 6.2. I won't come back while I have any say. |
| 19:59.52 | greycat | got_a_voice: we *know*. we're trying to get to the *answer*. |
| 19:59.54 | abrotman | got_a_voice: i did work for banks .. we used debian |
| 19:59.55 | merlincorey | how do I list all the files I have access to with apt-get? |
| 19:59.57 | asg | s/I won't/It won't/ |
| 20:00.04 | greycat | abrotman: no, I -q'ed marcel/got_a_voice |
| 20:00.06 | got_a_voice | abrotman, what bank? in the us? |
| 20:00.06 | FieldySnuts | asg: 2 days ago I had the pleasure of replacing the last redhat system on our network :D |
| 20:00.10 | mashon | is there a way to use WLAN with debian on a powerbook? buying a usb stick? |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | got_a_voice: yes |
| 20:00.16 | asg | FieldySnuts: nice |
| 20:00.16 | RolandU | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/!/! RolandU=2005-07-01 |
| 20:00.18 | got_a_voice | abrotman, which one? |
| 20:00.23 | FieldySnuts | asg: things feel so much cleaner. |
| 20:00.28 | greycat | RolandU: trailing / is mandatory. |
| 20:00.28 | abrotman | got_a_voice: i wouldn't tell you even if i were allowed to |
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| 20:00.35 | got_a_voice | abrotman, ok, relax |
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| 20:00.37 | ChubStudy | what's better kernel with intrd or without? |
| 20:00.42 | asg | FieldySnuts: yes, 6.2 wasn't that bad but the upgrade path beyond was fraught with peril. |
| 20:00.46 | greycat | ChubStudy: if you're building a custom one, might as well go without. |
| 20:00.55 | dvs | droberts_: I see a "sd_mod" but not an "sd" |
| 20:00.56 | RolandU | !sarge pool 5 =~ s/!/! RolandU=2005-07-01/ |
| 20:00.56 | dpkg | OK, RolandU |
| 20:00.56 | got_a_voice | i thought friday was a nice day to celebrate weekend, not to bite at each other |
| 20:00.59 | FieldySnuts | asg: this one was 9. i already never liked rh, but 9 was god awful |
| 20:01.06 | ChubStudy | thx |
| 20:01.07 | FieldySnuts | rh in a production environment is a fucking joke |
| 20:01.12 | FieldySnuts | as is anything that uses rpm |
| 20:01.17 | greycat | a/in a production environment // |
| 20:01.18 | js_ | is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
| 20:01.18 | FieldySnuts | anyway back on topic.. |
| 20:01.20 | abrotman | got_a_voice: i'm just pointing out .. that leaking your customer's infrastructure probably violatse your agreement .. and thier trust |
| 20:01.26 | FieldySnuts | greycat: true |
| 20:01.28 | asg | FieldySnuts: I haven't installed since the hideousness that was 7. |
| 20:01.29 | abrotman | violates |
| 20:01.32 | greycat | js_: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! |
| 20:01.33 | got_a_voice | i can understand technically you would not choose rh |
| 20:01.33 | droberts_ | dvs: I got the advice to install sd from dpkg: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 20:01.40 | thoreauputic | js yes |
| 20:01.42 | paulswm | rpm will forever mean to me 'revolutions per minute" |
| 20:01.44 | got_a_voice | abrotman, i understand |
| 20:01.48 | js_ | :S |
| 20:01.49 | dvs | droberts_: I don't know anything about that. |
| 20:01.55 | asg | paulswm: it ain't rock and roll without the fuzz |
| 20:01.57 | abrotman | got_a_voice: of course .. the other guy wanted to use mandrake .. and on a server . |
| 20:02.06 | greycat | dpkg, qotd46 is <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
| 20:02.07 | paulswm | !beer asg |
| 20:02.07 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:02.08 | dvs | !find usb-storage |
| 20:02.13 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: that goes a long way as to how much of a clue he had |
| 20:02.14 | asg | :) |
| 20:02.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usb-storage' (4 shown; 38 total): (/usr/share/kernel-wedge/modules/usb-storage-modules) in utils/kernel-wedge ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.26-1-k6/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.26-1-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k6. |
| 20:02.15 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/46 // |
| 20:02.16 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 20:02.23 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i won :) |
| 20:02.24 | TheZanke | can someome portscan my ip and tell me the damage? |
| 20:02.29 | TheZanke | 12.222.2.115 |
| 20:02.30 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 20:02.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 20:02.30 | got_a_voice | abrotman, that sucks, but all you can do is say you prefer debian, its up to the managers |
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| 20:02.47 | abrotman | got_a_voice: no .. i won .. i told them i was smarter .. and they let me do what i wanted :) |
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| 20:03.05 | got_a_voice | if you point out that rh or mandrake will give problems, you can always get back to them when you run into problems |
| 20:03.20 | FieldySnuts | if my boss (not even a *nix guy) selected anything other than what I chose to use, I would leave. I'm not sticking around to admin something that I hate every day |
| 20:03.36 | FieldySnuts | he did that once to me, which is how that rh9 box got in there in the first place. now we know better, and I make the choices |
| 20:03.38 | got_a_voice | i can understand that non-technical people would choose rh or mandrake |
| 20:03.44 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's nto just that .. you were hired for your technical expertise .. if they think they know better .. why hire you? |
| 20:03.57 | dvs | droberts_: There is no package called usb-storage (at least in sarge) |
| 20:04.06 | FieldySnuts | non-technical people should not be making final decisions on what to use anyway, but yeah that's the perfect world |
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| 20:04.11 | greycat | but there may be a factoid by that name. |
| 20:04.18 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: yes, I know I was extremely offended by that, and I told him so |
| 20:04.20 | greycat | in fact, ..... there is. |
| 20:04.23 | Empty | abrotman, because *they* don't want to get the 3am phone call, of course |
| 20:04.27 | takatumi | droberts_: try sd_mod |
| 20:04.31 | feistel | I just have installed my debian, but the bootstrap process stop in "MBR FA:" |
| 20:04.32 | abrotman | Empty: they don't .. i do ... |
| 20:04.33 | asg | greycat: thought someone already pointed it out |
| 20:04.40 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: he still questions me sometimes, but not often. I end up telling him how things are and in the end i'm right, for the better of the department |
| 20:04.45 | droberts_ | takatumi: Cannot locate module sd_mod |
| 20:04.45 | feistel | now what? |
| 20:04.47 | got_a_voice | we live in a world that is not only computers and software, computers are used to get business problems solved |
| 20:04.54 | greycat | got_a_voice: shut UP already. |
| 20:04.54 | asg | 14:38 < stew> droberts_: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 20:04.56 | greycat | jesus christ. |
| 20:04.56 | dvs | droberts_: Try "modprobe usb-storage" |
| 20:04.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i'm coming to work for you :) |
| 20:04.59 | FieldySnuts | got_a_voice: got any more excuses? |
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| 20:05.03 | got_a_voice | greycat, what now? |
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| 20:05.04 | greycat | got_a_voice: we fucking KNOW there are morons in the world. SHEESH! |
| 20:05.11 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: won't be there much longer, too much shit going on now |
| 20:05.12 | got_a_voice | greycat, relax |
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| 20:05.15 | greycat | got_a_voice: stop whining about how much your bank sucks! |
| 20:05.20 | maher | got_a_voice: do you have anything to say that related to debian? |
| 20:05.20 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: oh .. that stinks |
| 20:05.27 | droberts_ | dvs: That returned without error. I loaded that one earlier. |
| 20:05.31 | FieldySnuts | if you don't like the bank either don't do business with them, or don't work for them |
| 20:05.34 | FieldySnuts | instead of whining |
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| 20:05.35 | got_a_voice | have a nice weekend |
| 20:05.37 | abrotman | maher: no .. i don't think so |
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| 20:06.01 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: for them it stinks, for me it means a huge move up in pay and where i live |
| 20:06.01 | dvs | droberts_: then what's the problem? |
| 20:06.03 | TheZanke | for some reason nmap aint workin |
| 20:06.05 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: so screw em |
| 20:06.11 | TheZanke | it will start and all that |
| 20:06.16 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: where are you moving(if you don't mind my asking) |
| 20:06.27 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: don't know yet, this is just all beginning, but it's going to happen |
| 20:06.28 | TheZanke | but when i say nmap 12.222.2.115 it just hangs there |
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| 20:06.35 | TheZanke | wont give any feed back |
| 20:06.40 | asg | TheZanke: if you have DROP rules instead of REJECT rules, it will hang until the connections timeout. Be patient |
| 20:06.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: ah .. gotcha |
| 20:06.47 | FieldySnuts | TheZanke: throw on -T 4 to make the timings more agressive |
| 20:06.52 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you sound like me .. i just want somewhere warm :0 |
| 20:06.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:06.57 | FieldySnuts | -T 5 if you're on a lan |
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| 20:07.13 | LuCkYaN | what's command to install tcl devel ?? |
| 20:07.15 | RolandU | Thanks alot, cya |
| 20:07.17 | TheZanke | nmap doesn't need a port open to run does it? |
| 20:07.17 | LuCkYaN | apt- get install tcl-devel ? |
| 20:07.20 | greycat | apt-cache search -- tcl -dev |
| 20:07.24 | asg | LuCkYaN: ewwww |
| 20:07.28 | FieldySnuts | TheZanke: no, it connects to things like any other app |
| 20:07.31 | droberts_ | dvs: problem is, when I loaded that module my usb mouse stopped working and I am unable to rmmod it. Plus dpkg said I would need sd also in order to successfully use my usb drive. |
| 20:07.38 | FieldySnuts | well, mangles the packets in strange ways, but if that was causing problems you'd see errors |
| 20:07.38 | ZyX | i have serial console and ssh access to my server which i can remotely boot into a ramdisk-image (rescue-mode) .. what do i need now for a fresh install of sarge? (partitions are already there and clean) |
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| 20:07.47 | greycat | apt-cache search --names-only -- tcl -dev |
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| 20:07.53 | FieldySnuts | do nmap -T 4 , so it doesn't wait nearly as long for timeouts etc |
| 20:08.04 | TheZanke | all i am getting is Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA31 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) |
| 20:08.07 | bandito | anyone know of an mp3 player that will allow you to seek in http streams? |
| 20:08.09 | TheZanke | nothing after that |
| 20:08.24 | FieldySnuts | TheZanke: are you listening to me? |
| 20:08.24 | asg | TheZanke: that's all you will get until the scan is finished |
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| 20:08.39 | FieldySnuts | throw on -v for more details, which is handy instead of just sitting there forever till it finishes |
| 20:08.43 | TheZanke | FieldySnuts: yes i am and still the same problem |
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| 20:08.54 | zmd | anyone know of a mirror for snapshot.d.n? it appears down to me |
| 20:09.00 | FieldySnuts | do nmap -v -T 4 then, if it's having problems it'll probably say, if not, try -vv |
| 20:09.02 | LuCkYaN | i found : tcl8.0-dev , tcl8.3-dev , tcl8.4-dev ... and anothers .. should i install tcl8.4-dev ? |
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| 20:09.07 | blacksirius | guys - what is the best (2.6) kernel image for a Celeron processor? |
| 20:09.19 | greycat | there is no good 2.6 kernel. |
| 20:09.24 | asg | LuCkYaN: it depends on what tcl version you want to use |
| 20:09.33 | greycat | but "celeron" means "686" if that's what you wanted to know. |
| 20:09.34 | TheZanke | AHA! ty |
| 20:09.38 | TheZanke | ok g2g |
| 20:09.41 | LuCkYaN | asg, and how i find what tcl i use? |
| 20:09.43 | blacksirius | greycat: tnx |
| 20:09.45 | asg | LuCkYaN: if you don't know, use 8.4 |
| 20:09.49 | PyroPhreak | I installed debain to my hard drive but put in the wrong IP settings, how do I re run my IPCONFIG setup? |
| 20:09.59 | greycat | !FAQ PyroPhreak |
| 20:09.59 | dpkg | PyroPhreak: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:10.01 | FieldySnuts | ipconfig is windows silly |
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| 20:10.12 | asg | LuCkYaN: wish -V (or somesuch should tell you), also dpkg -l | grep tcl (will give you pointers) |
| 20:10.30 | asg | FieldySnuts: winipcfg in wine perhaps? |
| 20:10.33 | PyroPhreak | FieldySnuts: yea, I know, but I dont know the name of the debian eqivalent |
| 20:10.35 | greycat | asg: heh |
| 20:10.36 | FieldySnuts | hrm anybody using proftpd with classes and some limits, that I could see as an example? |
| 20:10.41 | LuCkYaN | asg |
| 20:10.41 | LuCkYaN | ~# dpkg -l | grep tcl |
| 20:10.42 | LuCkYaN | www:~# |
| 20:10.47 | LuCkYaN | i don't think i have tcl no ? |
| 20:10.51 | FieldySnuts | er, it's conf that is |
| 20:10.57 | asg | LuCkYaN: then you don't have it. Install one (8.4 should be fine) and have at it. |
| 20:11.01 | greycat | LuCkYaN: well, you will once you install tcl8.4-dev, then. |
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| 20:11.08 | asg | LuCkYaN: why you want to use tcl I don't know, but that's your business. |
| 20:11.26 | FieldySnuts | @smite BitchX quits |
| 20:11.49 | LuCkYaN | asg, need to install 'eggdrop' |
| 20:11.49 | LuCkYaN | :) |
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| 20:12.18 | asg | LuCkYaN: then check the docs for your eggdrop to see what it requires. If you apt-get install it, it will grab the required dependancies. |
| 20:12.21 | cat_ | cat die |
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| 20:12.28 | asg | LuCkYaN: you could also consider using blootbot |
| 20:12.30 | Shazaum | how I make one I will be in the command line? |
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| 20:12.47 | asg | LuCkYaN: which is written in Perl |
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| 20:13.00 | asg | Shazaum: ? |
| 20:13.01 | d4n13L | hi all, how to enable the mic boost? |
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| 20:13.59 | LuCkYaN | asg, i want eggdrop to set a trivia bawt .. with that bawt 'blootbo' have tcl(or what he use) for trivia ? |
| 20:14.07 | greycat | Shazaum: try again, in english. |
| 20:14.21 | asg | LuCkYaN: see what greycat just said to Shazaum |
| 20:14.33 | greycat | blootbot is not written in tcl. |
| 20:14.37 | Shazaum | asg, type I need to modify an archive that this in some diretorios |
| 20:14.38 | greycat | blootbot is also not eggdrop. |
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| 20:15.11 | asg | LuCkYaN: I'm sure blootbot can be configured as a trivia bot. However, if you are more comfortable with eggdrop, feel free to use it. |
| 20:15.21 | Shazaum | :( |
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| 20:18.13 | Xemacs_ | !test |
| 20:18.13 | dpkg | Yes, xemacs_, you're still online. |
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| 20:20.48 | bandito | anyone know of an mp3 player that will allow you to seek in http streams? |
| 20:21.03 | FieldySnuts | mpg123 or mpg321 can I think, yes it's silly that xmms doesn't |
| 20:21.27 | bandito | can it really? |
| 20:21.37 | hutze | can i run the same debian install on a athlon-xp and pentium-2 except for switching to the appopriate kernel? |
| 20:21.40 | bandito | thats cool, thanks |
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| 20:22.29 | asg | hutze: you should be able to, the userland is compatible with both. |
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| 20:22.47 | paulswm | hutze: I don't see why not, they're x86 arch |
| 20:22.52 | hutze | ok thank you |
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| 20:25.25 | greycat | !info apache sid |
| 20:25.27 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-4 (sid), Packaged size: 373 kB, Installed size: 696 kB |
| 20:25.31 | swatikiss | where are the irq assignments for pcmcia ? |
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| 20:25.49 | ribnitz | evening |
| 20:25.57 | asg | hi ribnitz |
| 20:26.05 | ribnitz | hello asgh. |
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| 20:26.08 | ribnitz | er -h |
| 20:26.24 | asg | usage: asg <beer> |
| 20:26.39 | ribnitz | asg: k. |
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| 20:27.35 | ribnitz | how do I find out how do compose a ccedil on a (non-french) keyboard? |
| 20:27.47 | greycat | ribnitz: <compose><c><,> |
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| 20:28.27 | ribnitz | greycat: whats the compose key, usually? (on a pc) |
| 20:28.34 | greycat | !iso8859 |
| 20:28.34 | dpkg | If you want to type ISO8859-1 (or similar) characters on your US keyboard, put "export LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1" in your .bash_profile (or whatever) and restart X. Use the right Windows key (on pc104) as your Compose/Multi_key key. Press <Compose><e><'> to make é, etc. In xf4.2, you may have to run xmodmap -e 'keysym Super_R = Multi_key' also. |
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| 20:29.26 | ribnitz | greycat: kinda doesnt work. |
| 20:29.30 | ludi | what is a good peer to peer file sharing application for gnome? |
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| 20:29.39 | greycat | "for gnome"? hahahahahaha... |
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| 20:30.15 | ribnitz | ludi: lftp |
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| 20:30.25 | ribnitz | thpugh thats client server. |
| 20:30.27 | jannol | ludi, .torrent |
| 20:30.34 | greycat | dpkg, "for gnome" is <reply> "For gnome"? What is this, Proprietary Software Land where you have to have special programs for each different system? Ask me about <for X>. |
| 20:30.34 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, greycat |
| 20:30.44 | greycat | dpkg, for gnome is <reply> "For gnome"? What is this, Proprietary Software Land where you have to have special programs for each different system? Ask me about <for X>. |
| 20:30.44 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 20:30.59 | Sicuta_Blues | help whith cadence virtuoso! |
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| 20:33.38 | ludi | greycat is the "precise computer terminology useage" police? |
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| 20:33.56 | greycat | no, he's just the "sick of idiots" police. |
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| 20:34.11 | fuhr | someone knows where can I get the kernel-headers 2.6.6 package? |
| 20:34.13 | greycat | abrotman: "for a limited time only!" |
| 20:34.17 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:34.31 | asg | abrotman: McRibnitz? |
| 20:34.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:34.55 | abrotman | no more riblits .. now ribnitz!! |
| 20:35.00 | abrotman | riblets .. whatever |
| 20:35.11 | asg | abrotman: that's Applebees |
| 20:35.15 | greycat | those riblets are the shiznitz? |
| 20:35.21 | abrotman | asg: just think .. i bet they don't have mcribs in .uk |
| 20:35.22 | asg | greycat: gizoogle.com? |
| 20:35.32 | asg | abrotman: I'm sure they do now |
| 20:35.49 | cafuego | 24 wibbles of fluff on the wall |
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| 20:36.06 | asg | take a glomp and pass it around ... |
| 20:36.32 | cafuego | damn russian spam |
| 20:36.36 | ludi | If I'm an idiot, then why do you bother addressing me? |
| 20:36.41 | simonrvn | i am sick and tired of php segfaulting... |
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| 20:36.59 | cafuego | simonrvn: Oooh err. Using wordwrap() ? |
| 20:37.24 | simonrvn | i don't know. it's a fucking cron script for drupal |
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| 20:38.06 | ludi | I'm simply asking what is a good gtk2 gnome-based p2p file sharing apps |
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| 20:38.09 | cafuego | simonrvn: ANy chance it's 1) running for loger then php.ini allows or 2) uses more ram than php.ini allows? |
| 20:38.16 | dafen | I want a wav to mp3 converter in debian linux |
| 20:38.23 | chugga | Ludi, thers a few, giftui, giftoxic |
| 20:38.23 | dafen | tried Lame but it only gives me noises |
| 20:38.26 | cafuego | ludi: btdownloadgui |
| 20:38.26 | abrotman | want want want .. that's all i hear |
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| 20:38.31 | simonrvn | cafuego: paste in /msg ok? |
| 20:38.37 | cafuego | simonrvn: Sure |
| 20:38.37 | greycat | dafen: /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:38.46 | directhex | well well well, you learn something new every day |
| 20:38.58 | asg | directhex: yep, that's a reason to keep on living |
| 20:38.59 | greycat | chugga: the *only* useful giFT user interface is giFTcurs. |
| 20:38.59 | dafen | lame gives me noises |
| 20:38.59 | chugga | you can get lame from !rarewares |
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| 20:39.06 | cafuego | directhex: "water is wet" ? |
| 20:39.10 | directhex | in the marillat packages, mplayer-386 has more optimisations on than mplayer-586 |
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| 20:39.11 | greycat | dafen: then you fucked up. do it right this time. |
| 20:39.15 | dafen | it doesn't convert the wave file |
| 20:39.22 | greycat | dafen: /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:39.25 | asg | directhex: hah |
| 20:39.26 | chugga | greycat, it is the best implemented one, yes |
| 20:39.37 | mof | if apt is fscked and tells me to run apt-get -f install, but doing so results in nothing, what do you guys recommend i do? |
| 20:39.41 | directhex | 386 is built with runtime cpu optimisation detection, 586 has specific optimisations for pentium 1, i.e. everything disabled |
| 20:40.00 | mof | there seems to be some kind of problem with libc6 |
| 20:40.14 | mof | and apt-get complains that debconf isn't installed |
| 20:40.21 | directhex | mof, running stable, but got libc6 from unstable? |
| 20:40.37 | bloodaway | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.45 | greycat | bloodaway: sh filename |
| 20:40.46 | el` | sh foo.sh |
| 20:40.48 | directhex | bloodaway, with 'sh foo.sh' |
| 20:40.58 | bloodaway | oh ok i geuss i dont have permissions to run it |
| 20:40.59 | mof | directhex: i run unstable |
| 20:41.10 | greycat | !pal mof |
| 20:41.15 | mof | :( |
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| 20:41.24 | lolol1 | hey |
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| 20:41.37 | lolol1 | anyone can tell me the repository |
| 20:41.40 | asg | lolol1: you're just 1 away from being a palindrome |
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| 20:41.43 | lolol1 | for this packages |
| 20:41.44 | mof | so. you don't know how to fix it? |
| 20:41.45 | lolol1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 20:41.45 | lolol1 | libkonq-dev: Depends: libkonq3 (= 4:2.2.2-14.9) but it is not going to be installed |
| 20:41.45 | lolol1 | Depends: kdelibs-dev |
| 20:41.45 | lolol1 | E: Broken packages |
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| 20:41.53 | abrotman | lolol1: see the topic? |
| 20:41.53 | lolol1 | ? |
| 20:41.55 | basti | how can i stop that windows from rolling to their minimization point? |
| 20:41.58 | lolol1 | (sorry) |
| 20:41.58 | ssj4conejo | what package do i need to be able to type make, its got to do with gcc i think. but debian has a different name. i'm trying to compile my kernel |
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| 20:42.11 | abrotman | !b-e ssj4conejo |
| 20:42.11 | dpkg | ssj4conejo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 20:42.12 | Remanifest | Does anyone here use Gnomemeeting? |
| 20:42.17 | ssj4conejo | thx |
| 20:42.21 | anyone | :P |
| 20:42.24 | directhex | ssj4conejo, don't build a kernel with make |
| 20:42.26 | lolol1 | anyone can tell me the repository for kdelibs-dev ? |
| 20:42.27 | takatumi | mof: try the bts |
| 20:42.28 | mof | is there a way to reset the list of installed packages and reinstall everything? |
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| 20:42.32 | greycat | lolol1: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:42.34 | directhex | ssj4conejo, download kernel-package and use make-kpkg |
| 20:42.35 | ssj4conejo | it works directhex, done it al the time |
| 20:42.36 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 20:42.40 | mof | takatumi: what's the bts? |
| 20:42.46 | mof | oh |
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| 20:42.50 | mof | *reads the topic* |
| 20:42.51 | greycat | !cluebat mof |
| 20:42.53 | asg | mof: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:43.09 | solemnwarning | i want to dl debian but i dont know what cd's i need out of 7 |
| 20:43.11 | dafen | I converted like lame -h aaa.wav aaa.mp3 |
| 20:43.21 | dafen | the aaa.mp3 gives awfully a lot noises |
| 20:43.21 | directhex | ssj4conejo, i don't care if it's worked before, it's a very bad idea |
| 20:43.24 | greycat | dafen: how did you build/install lame? |
| 20:43.25 | dafen | no music at all |
| 20:43.26 | juhov | solemnwarning: just the first one |
| 20:43.27 | thoreauputic | solemnwarning: only 1 |
| 20:43.29 | dafen | apt-get install lame |
| 20:43.30 | directhex | solemnwarning, for a server? |
| 20:43.33 | greycat | dafen: from...? |
| 20:43.35 | solemnwarning | for a pc |
| 20:43.37 | dafen | debian |
| 20:43.39 | directhex | !d-i solemnwarning |
| 20:43.40 | greycat | dafen: BULLSHIT. |
| 20:43.40 | dpkg | solemnwarning, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | !d-i solemnwarning |
| 20:43.42 | greycat | !kill dafen |
| 20:43.43 | solemnwarning | i have fedora on my servesr |
| 20:43.43 | abrotman | bah |
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| 20:43.58 | dafen | sarge |
| 20:44.00 | directhex | abrotman, timeout expired. do it again now. |
| 20:44.04 | basti | how can i minimize windows directly? without any rolling? |
| 20:44.09 | abrotman | directhex: heh |
| 20:44.09 | dafen | gerycat what do you mean by "how do you install lame" |
| 20:44.10 | greycat | dafen: last warning. you're a liar and possibly a troll. tell the truth NOW. |
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| 20:44.23 | dafen | ok, I first su |
| 20:44.27 | dafen | then typed my password |
| 20:44.31 | dafen | then apt-get install lame |
| 20:44.32 | Nooby | hi all, got an old HP 712 / 80 workstation, runnning "Debian GNU/Linux 3.0" on it. because i have got no monitor for it the only way i have access to it is a seral cable. is there any chance to get access to a console (got no root password with the box) |
| 20:44.33 | juhov | dafen: lame is not in debian, therefore you got it from somewhere else |
| 20:44.38 | greycat | dafen: what did you put in sources.list to get it? |
| 20:44.41 | dafen | nono, it's in it!!! |
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| 20:44.47 | dafen | a lot |
| 20:44.48 | el` | no it's not |
| 20:44.49 | abrotman | dafen: no .. it's not |
| 20:44.55 | dafen | my source.list is very long |
| 20:45.00 | abrotman | surprise! |
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| 20:45.02 | dafen | almost every known apt server is in it |
| 20:45.04 | el` | haha |
| 20:45.04 | greycat | dafen: wherever you got it from, it's obviously a BROKEN one. |
| 20:45.10 | abrotman | mepis! |
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| 20:45.13 | dafen | arr.. ok, then you recommand me a place |
| 20:45.14 | abrotman | no .. wait .. gnoppix! |
| 20:45.17 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 20:45.17 | greycat | dafen: /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:45.20 | greycat | FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME. |
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| 20:45.20 | abrotman | !helixlinux |
| 20:45.20 | dpkg | well, helixlinux is http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 20:45.23 | directhex | abrotman, kanotix |
| 20:45.25 | ribnitz | Nooby: our sun Enterpriose 450 kinda is bootable with a serial console. |
| 20:45.26 | takatumi | !badgerknoppix |
| 20:45.26 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 20:45.28 | abrotman | it must be helixlinux |
| 20:45.41 | chugga | helix? is that the real player thing? |
| 20:45.55 | abrotman | no |
| 20:45.58 | abrotman | !helixplayer |
| 20:45.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, helix player is the Helix Community's GTK2-based open source media player that can read Real formats, in Sid and Sarge. apt-get install helix-player or https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
| 20:45.59 | directhex | it's a way of arranging DNA |
| 20:46.00 | abrotman | see |
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| 20:46.08 | asg | abrotman: click here to download plugin. wtf? |
| 20:46.16 | abrotman | asg: for what? |
| 20:46.29 | Nooby | ribnitz, sounds interesting |
| 20:46.30 | asg | abrotman: for the url you pasted. wtf would I need a plugin. |
| 20:46.35 | abrotman | asg: flash ? |
| 20:46.39 | greycat | asg: it's even more interesting in lynx. |
| 20:46.46 | rixth | DOes anyone suggest moving to Xorg now? How difficult is it to do? |
| 20:46.48 | ribnitz | Nooby: but I would look for a hppa mailinglist.. |
| 20:46.54 | asg | greycat: that doesn't surprise me |
| 20:46.57 | ribnitz | directhex: gene-pool mixup? |
| 20:47.07 | dafen | greycat, how do I know where 'd this lame package came from? |
| 20:47.10 | greycat | oh, I see. That first link in lynx ("Bookmark") is NOT the one I want to hit Enter on. |
| 20:47.15 | dafen | I mean which line in my source.list |
| 20:47.16 | directhex | rixth, no, it's not recommended |
| 20:47.23 | dafen | then I have to comment it out |
| 20:47.24 | greycat | dafen: BECAUSE YOU SHOULD HAVE LIKE TWO LINES IN SOURCES.LIST AND NO MORE. |
| 20:47.31 | rixth | directhex: thanks |
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| 20:47.34 | greycat | one for Debian and one for marillat. |
| 20:47.36 | dafen | er... I got hundreds |
| 20:47.45 | greycat | dafen: that... is why you fail. |
| 20:47.46 | directhex | !cookie dafen |
| 20:47.48 | dpkg | Hey directhex, flw22 is < dafen> anyways, if I use laptop, I don't need a journal file system right? < dafen> since under no circumstence, I'll loose power |
| 20:47.49 | Nooby | ribnitz, yes i will do so. thnx, there is no way to avoid a new os installation i can imagine at the moment |
| 20:47.51 | asg | abrotman: can't grep for shit in flash, have no use for it |
| 20:47.53 | directhex | hm :| |
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| 20:48.04 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 20:48.05 | dafen | and also , nvidia-kernel-source is still missing in sarge |
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| 20:48.10 | dafen | yo directhex! |
| 20:48.13 | dafen | that's history |
| 20:48.14 | greycat | dafen: so pull it from sid. |
| 20:48.18 | ludi | anyone know much about the gift p2p network? |
| 20:48.21 | ribnitz | Nooby: I cannot tell you, I dont know hppa. Had enough trouble setting up itaniums.. |
| 20:48.28 | Nooby | ribnitz : but maybe there s a way with a bootdisl |
| 20:48.32 | Nooby | ribnitz : but maybe there s a way with a bootdisk |
| 20:48.34 | greycat | ludi: no, nobody knows anything about it. especially not dpkg. and especially not #gift. |
| 20:48.34 | FieldySnuts | ludi: just that it used to be pretty good but sucks now, and is irritating to set up and use |
| 20:48.49 | asg | abrotman: attila the bun? |
| 20:48.49 | greycat | ludi: also, to be technical, gift is not a network. openft is a network. |
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| 20:48.55 | abrotman | asg: so wrong |
| 20:48.57 | FieldySnuts | #gift is populated by the most arrogant and idiotic devs I have ever met |
| 20:48.58 | ribnitz | Nooby: forget what you know from pcs, this is a workstation. works completely differently. |
| 20:49.00 | ludi | FieldySnuts: what do you prefer instead of gift? |
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| 20:49.11 | FieldySnuts | ludi: nothing really, i don't use such things |
| 20:49.18 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: is'nt greycat in #gift ? |
| 20:49.23 | greycat | !mourn lokitorrent.com |
| 20:49.25 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: not touching this one :P |
| 20:49.29 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I've probably had enough at this point and I have to play 80's metal tonight |
| 20:49.31 | ludi | what are some good alternatives to gift then? |
| 20:49.33 | zmd | why is caudium being forced onto my servers now?? |
| 20:49.43 | abrotman | asg: play as in . a gig? |
| 20:49.55 | asg | abrotman: no, practice for future gigs |
| 20:49.58 | Nooby | ribnitz : ok |
| 20:50.03 | abrotman | asg: more beer .. vodka too |
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| 20:50.13 | asg | abrotman: for a gig, I'd have to be smashed |
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| 20:50.22 | greycat | 15:50 ludi|#gift> what is gift |
| 20:50.29 | FieldySnuts | oh my |
| 20:50.34 | greycat | I'd laugh, but that's so fucking pitiful it's not even amusing. |
| 20:50.36 | asg | greycat: /topic never occured to it eh? |
| 20:50.36 | FieldySnuts | he won't last long there that's for sure |
| 20:50.42 | Nooby | ribnitz : first thing i just recognized is : i CANT switch it off *?* =) |
| 20:50.49 | ribnitz | Nooby: and my recent experiences with some strange architectures mkake me look twice now before accepting anything thats not sun or i386-like |
| 20:50.50 | dafen | apart from lame, is there any other more tools to convert wave to mp3? |
| 20:50.51 | abrotman | asg: anything good? |
| 20:50.57 | abrotman | bladeenc :) |
| 20:51.03 | ribnitz | Nooby: "plug" |
| 20:51.13 | directhex | dafen, not in debian, since mp3 encoding is patented |
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| 20:51.24 | ribnitz | Nooby: but thats a bad idea anyway. |
| 20:51.45 | dafen | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
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| 20:51.54 | dafen | so greycat |
| 20:52.01 | asg | abrotman: fate's warning (quietus), Iron Maiden (Sea of Madness, Purgatory), Helloween (Future World (maybe)), and some Incubus that I haven't learned. Oh, and Synchronicity II by the Police for a bit of flavor. |
| 20:52.02 | dafen | is that the only line I am supposed to have? |
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| 20:52.18 | abrotman | asg: uhm .. ok .. |
| 20:52.21 | greycat | dafen: that, plus your normal debian testing line. |
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| 20:52.28 | asg | abrotman: fun as hell to play though |
| 20:52.34 | Nooby | ribnitz : my first contact with non-386 (except mac, what is still somehting like 386) |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | asg: i'm sure it is .. no john denver? |
| 20:52.38 | ribnitz | dafen: in addition to your regular debian.. |
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| 20:52.50 | ribnitz | Nooby: good luck. |
| 20:52.58 | asg | abrotman: you never know, we are older and not as anti-non-metal as we used to be. |
| 20:53.00 | Nooby | ribnitz : thnx ;) |
| 20:53.13 | dafen | I have savoirfairelinux.net ftp.debian.org debian.uchicago.edu sucurity.debian.org http.us.debian.org non-us.debian.org |
| 20:53.25 | greycat | dafen: what the fuck is that? |
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| 20:53.35 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. but the crowd would lynch you .. unless you can get Leaving on a Jetplane to a tempo of 120+ :) |
| 20:53.35 | dafen | in my source.list |
| 20:53.40 | greycat | dafen: why? |
| 20:53.43 | dafen | yo wanna see my source.list file? |
| 20:53.46 | greycat | NO! |
| 20:53.48 | greycat | hell no! |
| 20:53.52 | dafen | coz idon't know... just cram everything in it |
| 20:54.00 | greycat | dafen: ONE LINE. Plus marillat. |
| 20:54.02 | greycat | that's IT. |
| 20:54.04 | chugga | dafen, check out rarewares for mplayer and mp3 suff |
| 20:54.04 | asg | abrotman: it could be done, Maiden did a pretty good cover of 'Cross Eyed Mary' some years back. |
| 20:54.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:54.15 | ribnitz | dafen: 1 line for debian, 1 line for xfce4, 1 line for nerim. thats it (and sid) |
| 20:54.24 | greycat | asg: with flute? :) |
| 20:54.35 | dafen | err.. I am lost , ..... wait let me paste source.list file for ya all |
| 20:54.37 | asg | greycat: no, dual guitars in harmony but well preserved. |
| 20:54.38 | greycat | NO! |
| 20:54.42 | greycat | dafen: DO NOT PASTE YOUR CRAP HERE. |
| 20:54.50 | greycat | dafen: just pick ONE line and remove the rest. |
| 20:55.05 | ribnitz | dafen: so for you thats 2 lines, plus a third line for security if you are in woody. |
| 20:55.16 | greycat | he'd better not be putting marillat "testing" lines in a woody box. |
| 20:55.26 | abrotman | greycat: but it's fun! |
| 20:55.33 | dafen | http://rafb.net/paste/results/emL4S073.html |
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| 20:55.43 | dafen | now take a look and give me some suggestion |
| 20:55.54 | greycat | I'm tired of giving you suggestions only to have them ignored. |
| 20:56.06 | ribnitz | greycat: We should go set up a 24hr debian helpline at phone-sex-tariff rates... :) |
| 20:56.17 | greycat | ribnitz: then I'd have to be polite. |
| 20:56.35 | simonrvn | dafen: RTFM. how's that for a suggestion |
| 20:56.35 | quitte | why? make it a sm debian support line |
| 20:56.48 | streuner__ | greycat: haha |
| 20:56.53 | ribnitz | greycat: manageable at like usd 4 a minute... :) |
| 20:57.10 | dafen | err.. tell me which lines are supposed to be gone |
| 20:57.15 | dafen | I think I put too many lines there |
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| 20:57.45 | greycat | dafen: mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/horror.show; apt-setup |
| 20:57.50 | asg | greycat: hang on, I'll give you a url if you are interested in listening to it. |
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| 20:58.10 | greycat | asg: I'll have to download it at home and then listen when I get there. no audio hardware at work. |
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| 20:58.21 | ribnitz | dafen: where you at? |
| 20:58.26 | asg | greycat: no problem |
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| 20:58.59 | dafen | me? canada |
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| 21:00.28 | Nooby | ribnitz : mmhh nice, the firmware gives me access to the boot messages just from startup at my serial console |
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| 21:00.45 | ludi | after installing giftd, will it start up when debian boots? or should I start it manually? |
| 21:01.04 | ribnitz | dafen: keep lines 8,9,18, and 26 and scrap the rest. |
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| 21:01.36 | ribnitz | Nooby: different way of thinking. |
| 21:01.51 | greycat | ludi: read /etc/init.d/README and then ls /etc/rc*.d |
| 21:01.51 | dafen | ok, thanxs!!!! |
| 21:01.52 | slackd00d | does anyone else have the problem of right after a unstable/tesing install gdm fails to load untill you add mousedev and psmouse to /etc/modules |
| 21:02.05 | directhex | slackd00d, nope. |
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| 21:02.18 | greycat | ribnitz: he took your answer over "apt-setup"?? damn.... |
| 21:02.21 | slackd00d | thats weird, it happens to me after every install |
| 21:02.32 | Hal9002 | hi there |
| 21:02.36 | Nooby | ribnitz : do you have any idea how to reset the root password of the installed debian system ? |
| 21:02.53 | greycat | slackd00d: mousedev is required if you plan to use /dev/input/mice in your X config. |
| 21:02.53 | ribnitz | Nooby: i386? |
| 21:03.00 | greycat | psmouse sounds 2.6inine. |
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| 21:03.06 | Hal9002 | i need a REGEXP which simply says "everything from the beginning until the first ' ' (space) - how should it look like? |
| 21:03.15 | Nooby | ribnitz, no still the HP PA 712 / 80 |
| 21:03.19 | greycat | Hal9002: /^[^ ]* / |
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| 21:03.25 | asg | greycat: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/tunes/06_crosseyed_mary.mp3 |
| 21:03.28 | slackd00d | greycat: ya, its when i do expert26 |
| 21:03.46 | ribnitz | Nooby: boot with init=/bin/bash as a parameter. |
| 21:03.48 | greycat | asg: ok, will download. |
| 21:03.50 | slackd00d | or linux26 |
| 21:03.51 | directhex | are you an expert? |
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| 21:03.58 | ribnitz | Nooby: no guarantees tough. |
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| 21:04.27 | greycat | Nooby: you got debian to install on an hppa?? woody or sarge install? |
| 21:04.44 | directhex | doesn't the kernel documentation say to use usbhid in big bold letters instead of psmouse? |
| 21:04.46 | simy | Hello everybody, I dont know exactly how this hapend, but a login name to the xserver on my computer isnt in the list in kdm, on top of that typing it in manually tells you that it dosnt support it (or you manually logged out within 10 seconds of loggin in) |
| 21:04.47 | ribnitz | dafen: Alternatively run apt-setup, then add the nerim line (26) |
| 21:04.55 | Hal9002 | ok last question: how can i 'cat' a file, replacing a certain string with another string i specify? |
| 21:05.02 | Nooby | greycat : i got it installed with " Debian GNU/Linux 3.0" |
| 21:05.04 | greycat | Hal9002: sed 's/foo/bar/g' file |
| 21:05.10 | simy | So my Q is how do i that name to xserver? |
| 21:05.11 | greycat | Nooby: woody. ok then. |
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| 21:05.27 | bucky | asg that is cool |
| 21:05.28 | ribnitz | Hal9002: man sed, man awk |
| 21:05.31 | e2e | Hi, which kernel i have to use for AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ |
| 21:05.33 | hhstnoc | argh. |
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| 21:05.37 | greycat | e2e: 386 or k7 |
| 21:05.42 | dafen | ribnitz, yhou think it'll cause mess? |
| 21:05.44 | hhstnoc | what do you guys think of caudium? |
| 21:05.44 | Hal9002 | niiice |
| 21:05.50 | simy | greycat, can i ask you a question? |
| 21:05.51 | Hal9002 | greycat thanks |
| 21:05.51 | Nooby | greycat : but have no acccess to it, no user / no root passwords |
| 21:06.00 | greycat | simy: no |
| 21:06.06 | simy | greycat, :( |
| 21:06.16 | ribnitz | dafen: likely not more mess than you have already, plus servers near you are likely faster. |
| 21:06.21 | asg | bucky: yeah, it isn't bad. I love Tull but they did a pretty good job with the cover. |
| 21:06.25 | greycat | Nooby: all my attempts to install sarge on hppa failed so far. |
| 21:06.30 | bucky | yup |
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| 21:07.03 | BleSS | i need help with wine. who can run winamp under wine? winamp withou sound |
| 21:07.03 | e2e | greycat, i get CDRW error with 2.6.8-2-386: hdc: ATAPI 1X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 21:07.05 | asg | bucky: I think that cover was off the '82 Twilight Zone single but I'm not positive. |
| 21:07.05 | simy | how do i add sombody to the xserver list? |
| 21:07.48 | greycat | e2e: does it work in 2.4? in 2.6.7? in 2.6.10? |
| 21:07.50 | Nooby | uaaa ... this crappy hp link to a pdf file crashes my firefox |
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| 21:07.52 | greycat | 2.6.8 is Very Bad. |
| 21:08.00 | streuner | e2e: did you try another media yet? |
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| 21:08.11 | Nosf3ratu | 2.6.8 had documented cdrecord bugs, e2e. |
| 21:08.16 | streuner | 2.6.8.1 is not bad |
| 21:08.28 | Xenguy | BleSS: /join #winehq |
| 21:08.30 | ribnitz | Nooby: welcome ot the world of proprietary closed systems. Cant be worse than DEC, can it? |
| 21:08.43 | e2e | streuner, yes, with freeBSD, and before last upgrade i've not faced any problem |
| 21:08.52 | jannol | 2.6.8.2 works for me |
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| 21:09.07 | Nosf3ratu | Nooby, the embedded application for reading pdfs inside of mozilla is a pile of trash. |
| 21:09.19 | FieldySnuts | it doesn't have that |
| 21:09.20 | BleSS | Xenguy, i'm there too but nothing |
| 21:09.24 | hhstnoc | can anyone tell me |
| 21:09.36 | hhstnoc | why php4 relies on caudium? |
| 21:09.36 | ribnitz | !helix- |
| 21:09.36 | ribnitz | !helix |
| 21:09.36 | dpkg | HURRICANES ARE TERRORISM |
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| 21:09.43 | e2e | greycat, This is the first installation with this CD(RW), but i'm sure, it's working, i've not tryed with anohter kernel |
| 21:09.45 | valdyn_ | hhstnoc: it does not |
| 21:09.46 | Nooby | ribnitz, sorry havenŽt got any idea of DEC, too |
| 21:09.50 | ribnitz | what was this helixplayer thing? |
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| 21:09.54 | Xenguy | BleSS: that channel takes patience, but people show up eventually |
| 21:10.07 | ribnitz | Nooby: your lucky then. |
| 21:10.08 | e2e | greycat, Do you suggest 2.6.10? |
| 21:10.08 | greycat | ribnitz: helixplayer is different from helixlinux is different from helix |
| 21:10.08 | hhstnoc | im sorry, i meant php4-ldap, i keep getting dependency errors. it's trying to install caudium. |
| 21:10.12 | valdyn_ | hhstnoc: type apt-cache show php4 |
| 21:10.13 | BleSS | Xenguy, ok, thanks |
| 21:10.20 | greycat | e2e: me personally? I suggest 2.4. |
| 21:10.38 | ribnitz | greycat: I want the "I'll be able to play realaudio and stuff" thing.. |
| 21:10.44 | FieldySnuts | not with debian |
| 21:10.44 | greycat | ribnitz: mplayer? |
| 21:10.45 | LuCkYaN | what's command to 'untar' and .zip ?? unzip file.zip ? |
| 21:10.55 | greycat | !win LuCkYaN |
| 21:10.55 | Xenguy | LuCkYaN: yep |
| 21:10.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, LuCkYaN! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 21:10.59 | e2e | greycat, Ok, thank you... |
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| 21:11.06 | valdyn_ | hhstnoc: install one of the alternative depends |
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| 21:11.11 | FieldySnuts | gotta love real, they decide to do some open source stuff and release a player that plays lots of different formats; except their own. |
| 21:11.14 | LuCkYaN | -bash: unzip: command not found |
| 21:11.15 | FieldySnuts | which I suppose isn't a big loss |
| 21:11.17 | hhstnoc | thanks valdyn_ :) |
| 21:11.23 | frozsyn_ | hi all |
| 21:11.23 | ribnitz | greycat: helix-player |
| 21:11.24 | greycat | !installit |
| 21:11.24 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 21:11.35 | Xenguy | LuCkYaN: and -> tar xvf tarfile.tar |
| 21:11.42 | dafen | I just got the lame from nerim.net |
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| 21:11.53 | dafen | but it produced mp3 with exact same noise |
| 21:12.01 | greycat | dafen: is the .wav file noise too? |
| 21:12.05 | dafen | nope |
| 21:12.10 | frozsyn_ | anybody knows if dpkg-cross is usable to install a cross-compil environment to w32 ? |
| 21:12.11 | greycat | dafen: what does "lame --version" say? |
| 21:12.19 | LuCkYaN | what should i search with apt-cache for zip ? |
| 21:12.26 | dafen | 3.96.1 |
| 21:12.27 | greycat | LuCkYaN: unzip |
| 21:12.32 | mauve | Hi, I'm trying to build Anjuta2 from CVS in Debian Unstable/Experimental... but autogen.sh fails after "Running aclocal-1.4... aclocal: configure.in: 105: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library" |
| 21:12.37 | greycat | dafen: that's funny. mine says fuckloads more than that. |
| 21:12.46 | bytecolor | does are the locations of binaries somehow cached? like if I move a bin from /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin bash looks in the old location |
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| 21:12.57 | dafen | I typied lame -h aaa.wav aaa.mp3 |
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| 21:13.03 | dafen | is that the right way to convert? |
| 21:13.05 | juhov | bytecolor: hash -r |
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| 21:13.25 | greycat | dafen: how did you make the .wav file? |
| 21:13.37 | bytecolor | juhov, does the update the 'cache' ? |
| 21:13.38 | dafen | I don't know, downloaded from internet |
| 21:13.43 | greycat | jesus. |
| 21:13.50 | dafen | played both in linux and windows without problem |
| 21:13.56 | greycat | it's probably not a 16 bit audio file. |
| 21:13.58 | dafen | so I think it's a standard wav file |
| 21:14.02 | dafen | nono, it's not |
| 21:14.02 | Nooby | damn ... got no more patch cable |
| 21:14.03 | juhov | bytecolor: no, it empties it. see help hash |
| 21:14.04 | dafen | 8 bits |
| 21:14.07 | greycat | dafen: what does "file aaa.wav" say? |
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| 21:14.15 | greycat | dafen: that's why. lame doesn't read 8 bit audio input. |
| 21:14.32 | dafen | 6b4.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, ITU G.711 mu-law, mono 8000 Hz |
| 21:14.43 | directhex | erm... wtf? |
| 21:14.52 | greycat | you have to convert that to 16 bit first. |
| 21:14.56 | greycat | or just don't bother |
| 21:14.56 | dafen | err.. how? |
| 21:15.00 | bucky | mauve, try apt geting automake1.7 and watch the output of autogen.sh it might say someting like add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4' |
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| 21:15.10 | dafen | the original isn't wav actually , it's an au file |
| 21:15.13 | frozsyn_ | when I try "dpkg-cross /var/cache/.../sdl.deb" it failed to convert |
| 21:15.17 | greycat | dafen: try "sox" first. |
| 21:15.18 | dafen | I converted it into wav first |
| 21:15.22 | dafen | ok |
| 21:15.31 | greycat | although I'm not sure whether sox can do it |
| 21:15.31 | bucky | mauve, then cat /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 >> aclocal.m4 |
| 21:15.31 | peterS | dafen: right, .au is the mulaw thing |
| 21:15.32 | dafen | actually I convert it by sox, hehehee |
| 21:15.43 | dafen | sox aaa.au aaa.wav |
| 21:15.49 | Xemacs_ | how can i set my xterm background color to white ? |
| 21:15.50 | mauve | bucky, thanks I'll try... |
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| 21:15.53 | greycat | dafen: try reading the DOCUMENTATION. |
| 21:15.53 | peterS | dafen: what you want is 16-bit PCM, not 8-bit mulaw |
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| 21:16.03 | dafen | okok, you mean sox? |
| 21:16.13 | greycat | !cluebat dafen |
| 21:16.19 | tidalwav1 | hi, room: I was wondering if anyone could help me with an ndiswrapper problem |
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| 21:16.27 | peterS | dafen: the point is, tell sox specifically to output 16-bit PCM |
| 21:16.39 | p88 | hi are there people here who use dyndns? |
| 21:16.44 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 21:16.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:16.48 | tidalwav1 | ndiswrapper says the driver (netprism) for my card is present and that the hardware is present, but I can't get the internet to work |
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| 21:17.01 | bytecolor | man, been using Linux for close to 3 years now and never knew bash had a 'help' |
| 21:17.06 | bytecolor | sadjester, huh |
| 21:17.06 | p88 | -_- |
| 21:17.07 | Lee__ | anyone using Evolution in Sarge that knows the name of the package to install the spellcheck dictionary? |
| 21:17.08 | tidalwav1 | iwconfig says there is no wireless anyhting on the comp |
| 21:17.10 | Hal9002 | how can i make that 'cat foo > bar' actually appends foo to bar, instead of overwriting the content? |
| 21:17.12 | pyrophreak | After installing X, I tried to run it and got the error 'no screens found' what does this mean and how do I fix this |
| 21:17.18 | peterS | Hal9002: >> instead of > |
| 21:17.19 | bytecolor | thanks juhov |
| 21:17.19 | FieldySnuts | Hal9002: use >> instead of > |
| 21:17.24 | Hal9002 | thanks :D |
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| 21:17.43 | FieldySnuts | bite it. |
| 21:17.49 | tidalwav1 | anyone? ndiswrapper? |
| 21:17.51 | Nooby | iŽll get the HP PA 712/80 into lan. there is an apache running on it, how do i get its ip ? |
| 21:17.52 | greycat | !tell pyrophreak about noscreensfound |
| 21:17.53 | FieldySnuts | no, definately nobody |
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| 21:18.02 | greycat | Nooby: ask the administrator? |
| 21:18.07 | frozsyn_ | tidalwal: is it a pcmcia card ? it have some experience only for pcmcia |
| 21:18.14 | mauve | bucky, still get's the same error... |
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| 21:18.59 | tidalwav1 | frozsyn: nope |
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| 21:19.11 | swatikiss | how can i change the irq # that my pcmcia network card uses ... i cant remember where that setting is located |
| 21:19.13 | tidalwav1 | frozsyn: prism2_usb :) |
| 21:19.16 | frozsyn_ | tidalwal: sorry, I can't help you so |
| 21:19.23 | Nooby | greycat : there is no admin or i am the admin |
| 21:19.27 | asg | tidalwav1: what about it? |
| 21:19.31 | peterS | swatikiss: BIOS setup screen at boot time |
| 21:19.32 | jpshark | Lee__:aspell |
| 21:19.42 | Lee__ | jpshark: thanks |
| 21:19.44 | peterS | swatikiss: it'll be for the PCMCIA slot, not for specifically what you plug into it |
| 21:19.54 | jpshark | also works with openoffice |
| 21:19.55 | Lee__ | there seem to be quite a lot of spell checking packages |
| 21:19.58 | swatikiss | yes - but i remember a setting in linux .... |
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| 21:20.10 | Lee__ | myspell, aspell, ispell, spell... |
| 21:20.14 | tidalwav1 | asg: I cannot get the internet working on my compy even though ndiswrapper says the hardware is present |
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| 21:20.23 | greycat | dpkg, nonfreesmite $1 is <action> makes $1 administer an (HP-UX|AIX|SCO) box running qmail using a laptop running Windows, with (an Intel|a Broadcom) wireless card and an (ATI|nVidia) video chipset. And Microsoft Telnet, too -- no putty for you, slave! |
| 21:20.23 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:20.23 | tidalwav1 | asg: and I ran ndiswrapper -m |
| 21:20.36 | khakane | how can i reinstall a package such as apache, and make sure it re-extracts the conf files? |
| 21:20.37 | jpshark | Lee__:use aspell, it works with all |
| 21:20.40 | greycat | !nonfreesmite tidalwav1 |
| 21:20.43 | asg | tidalwav1: wireless? install the wireless-tools package, man iwconfig, man 7 wireless |
| 21:20.45 | greycat | grrrr. |
| 21:20.46 | peterS | swatikiss: actually I lie. I'm not entirely sure that can be controlled from the BIOS. if it were CardBus it would be, but I'm not sure about 16-bit PCMCIA |
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| 21:20.55 | frozsyn_ | no "cross-compile to w32" people here ? |
| 21:21.08 | Lee__ | jpshark: apearently not. I have it installed but Evolution doesn't show it as a valid dictionary |
| 21:21.10 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: nonfreesmite (.*?) =~ s/an (HP-UX|AIX|SCO)/(an HP-UX|an AIX/a SCO)/ |
| 21:21.12 | Nooby | greycat, is there a way to get the ip ? |
| 21:21.20 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: nonfreesmite (.*?) =~ s/an (HP-UX|AIX|SCO)/(an HP-UX|an AIX|a SCO)/ |
| 21:21.20 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 21:21.34 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 21:21.40 | greycat | Nooby: what do you WANT me to tell you? What resources do you have available to fetch it? |
| 21:21.50 | tidalwav1 | asg: uhhh, I think I might have that stuff already, I was able to get it working with wlanctl-ng but it kept disconnecting |
| 21:21.51 | asg | greycat: probably should and SUN to that as well |
| 21:22.01 | khakane | anyone? |
| 21:22.02 | asg | s/and/add/ |
| 21:22.11 | jpshark | Lee__:hmm...works for me, sarge with 2.6.8-2 kernel and Gnome |
| 21:22.22 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird_: rube goldberg install? |
| 21:22.30 | FieldySnuts | or not |
| 21:22.34 | Nooby | greycat : only a pc attached to it via serial console (no pass= no access) and lan |
| 21:22.37 | peterS | khakane: dpkg --purge --force-depends apache && apt-get install apache |
| 21:22.38 | asg | tidalwav1: I've never messed with wlanctl-ng. wireless-tools should be all you need. |
| 21:22.38 | Lee__ | I guess I can reinstall. It's just the aspell package? nothing dependent? |
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| 21:22.47 | jpshark | Lee__:evoloution version 2.0.3 |
| 21:22.49 | tidalwav1 | asg: I'll try it |
| 21:22.57 | valdyn_ | khakane: dpkg -P --force-depends <package> && apt-get install <package> |
| 21:23.06 | greycat | Nooby: so you *DO* have shell access? /sbin/ifconfig lan0 |
| 21:23.08 | swatikiss | anyway i have an irq conflict and i need to move my pcmcia to another irq - i did it before with a setting in /etc/pcmcia ?? i cant remember |
| 21:23.12 | jpshark | Lee__:dependencies are automatically installed |
| 21:23.18 | peterS | Nooby: see also 'lanscan' |
| 21:23.24 | asg | tidalwav1: in the mean time, does 'sudo iwlist wlan0 scan' show any access points? |
| 21:23.27 | greycat | and "netstat -in". another great one. |
| 21:23.31 | peterS | Nooby: to determine your interface names, and MAC addresses |
| 21:23.35 | frozsyn_ | :( |
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| 21:23.49 | jpshark | Lee__:dont forget to turn spell check on |
| 21:23.51 | khakane | valdyn_: it didnt work |
| 21:24.18 | khakane | still no /etc/* files |
| 21:24.22 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 21:24.24 | Rambo3 | i installd grub from GNUs page. if i do apt-get install grub , will it write over grub or do i need to /sbin/grub-install ? |
| 21:24.30 | Nooby | greycat : yes but all i see is "login : _" and i do not have a user/root password |
| 21:24.32 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 21:24.41 | dan2 | whats a light fast ipc system for between threads |
| 21:25.00 | FieldySnuts | light, fast and ipc don't work out together |
| 21:25.03 | asg | dan2: not a clue, #c might know |
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| 21:25.22 | gilles | all icons on my desktop often disappear, i have to run the commands "fam" and "nautilus -q" to fix it. how to fix it permanently now ? (there are nobody in the gnome channel, that's why i ask here) |
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| 21:25.30 | ribnitz | Suppose I have some ogg file, and that ogg file sounds extremely bad at higher bitrates (like 120-125 kbits..) could this be a problem of the input signal? |
| 21:25.34 | jpshark | Lee__:make sure you have a dictionary installed as well |
| 21:25.36 | Lee__ | jpshark: turn it on? the Settings menu has only a window of available dictionaries, which is blank on my screen. |
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| 21:25.59 | dan2 | asg: I'm not really in the mood to use shared memory... |
| 21:26.00 | Lee__ | yet aspell-en is clearly installed |
| 21:26.03 | jpshark | Lee__:that's the problem, u need to install a dictionary |
| 21:26.09 | Lee__ | ^^^ |
| 21:26.37 | valdyn_ | khakane: so you remove a package which does _not_ provide those config files OR those packages are created by dpkg-reconfigure <package>, which brings you to first reading /msg dpkg x md5 if you edited any config file manually |
| 21:26.43 | directhex | ribnitz, yes. |
| 21:26.48 | greycat | ribnitz: it could be an ear infection for all we know at this point. |
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| 21:27.02 | simy | is the xserver or something a group that you give sombody access too? |
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| 21:27.27 | greycat | !tell simy about xfaq |
| 21:27.34 | MrP | I just switched out my video card with a crappier one. I tried running xf86config and put in low values, but I still can't get into a gui. How can I fix this? |
| 21:27.35 | dafen | sigh..... |
| 21:27.37 | khakane | valdyn_: i removed apache2 (apt-get remove apache2) and removed its conf files by hand |
| 21:27.40 | dafen | fed up with lame and sox |
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| 21:27.43 | dafen | still doesn't working |
| 21:27.50 | asg | dafen: then oggenc is your buddy |
| 21:27.50 | khakane | now when i apt-get install apache2, it dont install any of the configuration files |
| 21:27.52 | ribnitz | greycat: I digitized the thing from regular audio cds (abcde) and some songe simply sound bad at higher bitrates.. |
| 21:28.07 | jpshark | Lee__:install myspell english dictionay |
| 21:28.12 | ribnitz | greycat: also, I cannot seem to be able to convert classical music. |
| 21:28.14 | simy | ello? |
| 21:28.14 | greycat | dafen: I had a utility once upon a time that converted 8 bit audio to 16 bit. I don't know what happened to it. I don't remember what it was called. It was written by some Japanese fellow. Good luck. |
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| 21:28.36 | greycat | ribnitz: but *low* -q settings work properly? |
| 21:28.40 | mauve | has anybody seen unofficial debs for anjuta2? |
| 21:28.52 | MrP | Anyone know how to fix this? I'm stuck :( |
| 21:28.54 | greycat | ribnitz: try ripping the track directly to .wav with cdparanoia -w <tracknumber> foo.wav |
| 21:28.54 | directhex | mauve, does it write code for you? |
| 21:28.58 | ribnitz | greycat: this is just abcde without parameters. |
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| 21:29.03 | greycat | ribnitz: then listen to the .wav, then oggenc it, ... |
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| 21:29.03 | Xenguy | simy: ask your question (like you should have in the other channel :-) |
| 21:29.07 | mauve | directhex, what does? |
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| 21:29.13 | dan2 | asg: I've almost broken down on using sysvmsg queues on pipes |
| 21:29.16 | simy | Xenguy which other channel? |
| 21:29.23 | dan2 | asg: I really like it, its simple, but its slow |
| 21:29.27 | ribnitz | greycat: and do that for the about 1.7GB of oggs.. |
| 21:29.28 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 21:29.36 | greycat | ribnitz: no, just the one you noticed a problem on... |
| 21:29.38 | simy | Xenguy: im using ircii its the first time ive used it... |
| 21:29.38 | SexyKen | Hey guys, if I want to poll data info through snmp what would I run on the server it self for that? |
| 21:29.39 | Xenguy | simy: that other channel =) |
| 21:29.42 | jpshark | Lee__:sorry, aspell-en for english dictinary |
| 21:29.46 | greycat | ribnitz: until you figure out what the problem is |
| 21:29.50 | asg | SexyKen: snmpd |
| 21:30.04 | ribnitz | greycat: what -q levels do you recoomend? (no disk-space isnt an issue) |
| 21:30.15 | SexyKen | asg Will I need to do a lot of configuration or is it pretty much ready to go? |
| 21:30.19 | dan2 | asg: I realize if I do that... I might as well drop threads and use fork |
| 21:30.20 | Quequeg | Can someone help me to figure out why apache 1.3 on testing comes with apache-modconf, which I used to add modules to modules.conf, but on /etc/init.d/apache start gives me an error that LoadModule isn't supported? |
| 21:30.29 | simy | Xenguy: just tell me an open channel and ill go there! |
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| 21:30.31 | Xenguy | simy: irssi? It's the best console client IMO |
| 21:30.37 | asg | SexyKen: ready to go for standard data, requires config and hacking for non-standard data |
| 21:30.41 | greycat | ribnitz: depends on the Vorbis version. with vorbis 1.1 I can't hear any differences from the CD at all, with -q 4. other people may be more sensitive. |
| 21:30.44 | greycat | !vorbis 1.1 |
| 21:30.44 | dpkg | greycat got tired of waiting for bug #273567 to be fixed, so he packaged libvorbis 1.1.0 himself. It's at http://wooledge.org/~greg/vorbis/ for the brave souls of #debian. |
| 21:30.45 | valdyn_ | khakane: i told you already to purge the package ( dpkg -P apache2 ), however that sure does not help since apache2 does not provide any config files at all |
| 21:30.46 | asg | dan2: come back to the fold :) |
| 21:30.54 | SexyKen | asg Cool - Thanks :-) |
| 21:31.00 | asg | SexyKen: you're welcome |
| 21:31.26 | Lee__ | jpshark: that's why I'm confused, aspell-en is installed |
| 21:31.36 | Xenguy | simy: umm, if you have a question, just ask (that's all I really meant to say :-) |
| 21:31.44 | khakane | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache2 which isn't installed. |
| 21:31.44 | dpkg | khakane: You are moron #20 |
| 21:31.46 | Lee__ | perhaps it's not a Debian problem and an Evolution one? |
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| 21:32.02 | valdyn_ | !tell khakane about search |
| 21:32.04 | simy | Xenguy: thats what ive heard... well read... so i figured i should learn to use it... thats best done by using it, but my friend uses this laptop to, and i removed xdm becuase i dont like the fact you dont have an option to change desktops, and now only i and root can login, figured he didnt have permissions for it, it says somthing about being less then 10 seconds balbla, then the error file says that it dosnt support that |
| 21:32.12 | khakane | valdyn_: then where do the config files for apache come from? |
| 21:32.20 | khakane | im pretty sure apache2 conf files arent thre on a default install of debian |
| 21:32.23 | jpshark | Lee__:yikes, remove completely and reinstall evo |
| 21:32.23 | valdyn_ | khakane: no idea, read the factoid.. |
| 21:32.27 | SexyKen | What's a version of snmpd -- trying to find an RPM for the redhat servers too |
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| 21:32.39 | simy | I ment enviornment like kde fluxbox, etc.. |
| 21:32.39 | SexyKen | hm |
| 21:32.50 | valdyn_ | khakane: read "dpkg -S apache2" that package provides not many files at all |
| 21:32.57 | valdyn_ | khakane: read "dpkg -L apache2" that package provides not many files at all |
| 21:33.03 | jpshark | Lee__:btw - does spell check work in office write? |
| 21:33.07 | valdyn_ | khakane: ignore the first typo |
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| 21:33.09 | khakane | thanks valdyn_ i found it |
| 21:33.16 | Xenguy | simy: incomprehensible to me <shrug> (you might want to carve that blurt into a few clear questions) |
| 21:33.24 | khakane | by doing the dpkg -S /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 21:33.35 | valdyn_ | khakane: yea |
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| 21:34.26 | Lee__ | jpshark: yeah. and in Gaim. |
| 21:34.27 | khakane | but it didnt reinstall apache2.conf |
| 21:34.28 | khakane | argh |
| 21:34.55 | asg | khakane: /msg dpkg find apache2.conf |
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| 21:35.05 | jpshark | Lee__:than evo is ur problem, try remove and reinstall |
| 21:35.16 | ribnitz | greycat: I just replaced them, lets see.. :) |
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| 21:35.27 | dafen | I've noticed that after lame convertion, actually it's not the noise... the totally speed has been tripled up!! |
| 21:35.34 | valdyn_ | khakane: you have to purge the package still? |
| 21:35.34 | dafen | tha'ts why it's heard like a noise , |
| 21:35.43 | simy | Xenguy: uhm, hmm i seamed to have fixed it, now my only other problem is the cdrom and the lack of loud audio, lol but im still trying to figure that out by reading... |
| 21:35.44 | jpshark | Lee__:spell check is universal in Gnome so all programs should work |
| 21:35.47 | dafen | greycat |
| 21:35.51 | kalila | what ls option to display directories only? |
| 21:35.59 | directhex | dafen, your audio output is unlikely to be configured for 8khz |
| 21:36.03 | ribnitz | kalila: ls -ld |
| 21:36.07 | simy | Xenguy: actually do you knwo what i could look at for the audio, its like its muted... but cant find anything wrong, what might i wana read? |
| 21:36.08 | kalila | ribnitz: thanks |
| 21:36.08 | asg | dafen: you just converted the "Chipmunk's tribute to our troops" |
| 21:36.10 | ribnitz | kalila: man ls for more. |
| 21:36.20 | jpshark | Lee__:oh nooooo........ :( |
| 21:36.23 | dafen | err... what should I do now.... |
| 21:36.29 | greycat | dafen: Google a lot. |
| 21:36.31 | afx_twn | can u guys help me out with dual booting problem? |
| 21:36.33 | khakane | nah but |
| 21:36.36 | khakane | its all fucked up now |
| 21:36.36 | Xenguy | simy: re: audio volume: you could try running 'aumix' and see if you can increase volume with that |
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| 21:36.41 | khakane | i might as well format and reinstall this piece |
| 21:36.42 | kalila | ribnitz: ls -ld displayed only . |
| 21:36.45 | bucky | mauve did you put the error as a search term in google? |
| 21:36.51 | ribnitz | kalila: man ls then. |
| 21:36.56 | valdyn_ | khakane: not really |
| 21:36.59 | greycat | !mansmite kalila |
| 21:37.00 | ribnitz | kalila: find . -type d |
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| 21:37.02 | mauve | bucky, nothing new |
| 21:37.05 | jpshark | Lee__:have to go, hope you get it fixed...sorry |
| 21:37.06 | bucky | mauve did you put the error as a search term in google? |
| 21:37.09 | Quequeg | Can someone help me to figure out why apache 1.3 on testing comes with apache-modconf, which I used to add modules to modules.conf, but on /etc/init.d/apache start gives me an error that LoadModule isn't supported? |
| 21:37.09 | khakane | this config file is nothing like the default one i had after reinstall |
| 21:37.14 | simy | Xenguy: ive turned it all the way with aumix... and its not muted in there or anything.... im gona try playing somthing as root, maybe that will make a diffrence? |
| 21:37.15 | jetscreamer | afx_twn, what do you want to know... |
| 21:37.26 | bucky | mauve, what is the error? |
| 21:37.27 | valdyn_ | khakane: so you got a new one? |
| 21:37.31 | FieldySnuts | get it from backups then. no backups? your problem |
| 21:37.38 | khakane | yea from the examples |
| 21:37.48 | Xenguy | simy: not sure what else to suggest (not an audio expert by any means) |
| 21:37.49 | khakane | but its not the same one i had before (and i didnt change the original) |
| 21:37.53 | asg | khakane: then download apache2-common with 'apt-get -d install', unpack it with dpkg -x, and cp the resultant apache2.conf to /etc/apache2 |
| 21:38.06 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 21:38.06 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 21:38.09 | valdyn_ | khakane: purge and reinstalling just that package _does_ work |
| 21:38.29 | afx_twn | jetscreamer - I have dual booting set up...but when i select linux it takes me to grub. this is cos i put it on my linux partition, but now i have no use for it (and also dont know HOW to use it) |
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| 21:39.07 | MilkyMouse | hey? My all my logs are going to *.0 instead of IE: /var/log/syslog... they are now going to /var/log/syslog.0.... any bugs about that? |
| 21:39.09 | jetscreamer | afx_twn, i could help you with lilo, but i don't use grub... :( |
| 21:39.11 | afx_twn | any way i can remove it? |
| 21:39.19 | khakane | asg: GOOD MAN thanks ;) |
| 21:39.25 | afx_twn | np |
| 21:39.34 | jetscreamer | afx_twn, apt-get remove --purge grub maybe |
| 21:39.50 | asg | MilkyMouse: looks like your logrotation failed to restart sysklogd |
| 21:39.50 | maher | MilkyMouse: are you using logrotate? its meant to do that |
| 21:39.55 | jetscreamer | but man grub might help |
| 21:39.57 | afx_twn | cant access linux at all tho- would i be able to do that using knoppix? |
| 21:40.04 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:40.07 | afx_twn | i have the cd lying about sumwhere |
| 21:40.15 | jetscreamer | afx_twn, when you see the grub thing, hit the tab |
| 21:40.25 | mauve | bucky, aclocal: configure.in: 105: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 21:40.29 | afx_twn | brings up the commands i canuse |
| 21:40.32 | bucky | ok |
| 21:40.32 | maher | MilkyMouse: unless you meant log.0 is actually getting bigger, which shouldn't happen |
| 21:40.46 | jetscreamer | afx_twn, it should show you the images you can boot(kernels) just keep hitting tab (or so i hear) |
| 21:40.54 | ribnitz | mauve: got libtool? |
| 21:40.56 | khakane | at least i think its working |
| 21:41.04 | mauve | ribnitz, jepp |
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| 21:41.10 | mauve | libtool is installed... |
| 21:41.12 | afx_twn | naa it doesnt do that, trust me ive hit tab a million times :P |
| 21:41.19 | ribnitz | mauve: and autoconf? |
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| 21:41.32 | mauve | yep |
| 21:41.44 | jetscreamer | afx_twn, use a boot floppy or a woody install cd to boot to linux and run grub-update maybe |
| 21:41.48 | bucky | mauve http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6375254&forum_id=7093 |
| 21:42.01 | mauve | libtool v1.1467 autoconf 2.59 |
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| 21:42.56 | infodroid | a question for apt gurus. when i installed package X, then Y and Z were also installed. is there a way to get apt to remove X and any dependencies that have no further dependencies? lets say Y and Z are not required by anything else. |
| 21:42.58 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 21:43.05 | greycat | infodroid: aptitude |
| 21:43.08 | afx_twn | jetscreamer - can i remove grub using knoppix? its the only way i can access files on that partition afaik |
| 21:43.19 | asg | infodroid: deborphan can help you remove non-dependant packages |
| 21:43.21 | TwoSchubert | hey, wanted to know what applet is shown in right side of that http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png |
| 21:43.23 | ribnitz | infodroid: debfoster/deborphan |
| 21:43.23 | greycat | infodroid: also see deborphan, debfoster, "/msg dpkg remove x", etc. |
| 21:43.29 | jetscreamer | afx_twn, i don't know. maybe. |
| 21:43.29 | SexyKen | On my redhat server, whenI turn it on I have to type service snmpd start, it doesn't start automatically |
| 21:43.30 | distempr | I just compiled 2.6.10 and once it boots and it reaches init, the system reboots. Anything I can check? I've recompiled the kernel en masse (read: 8 times). |
| 21:43.40 | TwoSchubert | not gkrellm, i think |
| 21:43.47 | drasko | gotta problem - i tried to install some package I downloaded from the net with dpkg-i, but it had some unamet dependencies... Now command apt-get -f wants to remove whole gnome (126 packages) just to remove this half installed package aftervards. How to manually remove this package, so apt-get -f wons show no packages for removal. |
| 21:43.50 | asg | SexyKen: man chkconfig |
| 21:44.00 | infodroid | greycat, asg, ribnitz: thanks |
| 21:44.00 | asg | SexyKen: in debian, man update-r.cd |
| 21:44.04 | asg | SexyKen: in debian, man update-rc.d |
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| 21:44.20 | chugga | greycat listens to hiphop? |
| 21:44.21 | ribnitz | distempr: does a precompiled "kernel-image-2.6.10" show the same issues? |
| 21:44.32 | cahoot | distempr: chosen wrong cpu? |
| 21:44.32 | asg | chugga: he listens to whatever sounds good to greycat |
| 21:44.41 | ribnitz | distempr: also kernel versions 2.6.x dont run on woody |
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| 21:45.35 | asg | TwoSchubert: gdesklets |
| 21:45.40 | asg | TwoSchubert: or superkaramba |
| 21:45.40 | FieldySnuts | nevermind |
| 21:45.51 | TwoSchubert | asg, thanks |
| 21:46.08 | mauve | bucky, I didn't get that msg thread, what am I supposed to do? |
| 21:46.10 | TwoSchubert | and the window manager? |
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| 21:46.23 | asg | TwoSchubert: probably Enlightenment |
| 21:46.29 | distempr | ribnitz: I haven't tried the stock debian kernel, only because NUMA isn't enabled by default (from what I remember in the 2.6.8 series). |
| 21:46.34 | ribnitz | TwoSchubert: looks like one of the many sysload like things. |
| 21:46.35 | asg | TwoSchubert: with some gnomishness thrown in to boot |
| 21:46.37 | distempr | ribnitz: it was my next option. |
| 21:46.38 | MilkyMouse | no... I don't understand WHY my logrotate is writting in syslog.0 instead of syslog... or anyother files... it's doing the samething |
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| 21:46.54 | distempr | cahoot: newp, it's the right cpu for sure :P (opteron) |
| 21:46.57 | FieldySnuts | that's normal. if you want them compressed, man logrotate.conf |
| 21:47.02 | marcel_ | hello |
| 21:47.04 | ribnitz | distempr: got a true multiprocessor (no, ht is no true mp) |
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| 21:47.17 | directhex | TwoSchubert, that's gnome and gdesklets |
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| 21:47.23 | SexyKen | asg I'm kind of confused with that chkconfig ... I just type chkconfig --add snmpd? |
| 21:47.25 | marcel_ | i want to install bugzilla, but it needs mysql, why cant i have it with postgresql ? |
| 21:47.29 | MilkyMouse | no |
| 21:47.36 | daffy-pkf | i followed the instructions at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html, but fglrxinfo still says me "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect", can someone tell me why? |
| 21:47.36 | MilkyMouse | it was working fine until feb 16 |
| 21:47.43 | asg | marcel_: hack it to work with postgresql |
| 21:47.55 | marcel_ | asg, i need to build my own .deb? |
| 21:47.55 | ribnitz | marcel_: because mysql is incompatible to postgresql. |
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| 21:48.06 | directhex | daffy-pkf, because fglrx is shit, and doesn't work properly. and you didn't follow the instructions properly. |
| 21:48.14 | asg | marcel_: no, you need to hack bugzilla's db code to use postgres since nobody else apparently wants to. |
| 21:48.26 | FieldySnuts | aka, you have no choice. use mysql. |
| 21:48.32 | distempr | ribnitz: Yep, dual opterons. And HT is not enabled. |
| 21:48.41 | FieldySnuts | opterons don't HAVE HT. |
| 21:48.48 | FieldySnuts | no amd cpu does |
| 21:48.57 | ribnitz | distempr: a stock smp thing does not work? |
| 21:49.02 | distempr | FieldySnuts: yep I know. |
| 21:49.06 | daffy-pkf | directhex> i check what i done several time, i did it before and it worked, since that i reinstalled all the system and now i can't manage to make it work again |
| 21:49.07 | FieldySnuts | ok good heh |
| 21:49.22 | asg | SexyKen: that could be a dozen things. Check the daemon is running, the MIBs are correct, the snmpd actually uses those MIBs, so on, so for. |
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| 21:49.22 | daffy-pkf | directhex> is there something better than fglrx? |
| 21:49.31 | asg | SexyKen: and don't /msg people without asking |
| 21:49.32 | FieldySnuts | anything but ati, that's what |
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| 21:49.39 | SexyKen | Sorry. |
| 21:49.47 | jetx | hey should i uninstall lilo before i install grub, or can the two co-exist |
| 21:49.48 | SunDevil | heu |
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| 21:50.00 | distempr | ribnitz: I'm trying the stock 2.6.10-k8-smp kernel from the repository now, though... it's odd, the kernel config is from the old 2.6.8-k8-smp pkg and has been make oldconfig'ed since. So in essence it's the same except for one option. |
| 21:50.01 | simonrvn | asg: "snmpd actually uses those MIBs" other than an snmpwalk, how do you heck that? and how do you get it to do so? |
| 21:50.01 | FieldySnuts | jetx: either or |
| 21:50.04 | ribnitz | jetx: they cant. |
| 21:50.06 | simonrvn | asg: see ya |
| 21:50.11 | jetx | k thx |
| 21:50.14 | ribnitz | jetx: so install grub, uninstall lilo |
| 21:50.16 | SunDevil | if you aptget grub lilo will prolly be removed |
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| 21:50.35 | FieldySnuts | nice kiddie hostname |
| 21:50.36 | afx_twn | can i uninstall grub from my linux partiton, using a knoppix live CD? |
| 21:50.37 | distempr | Grub is so kick-ass. Thank you. |
| 21:50.41 | jetx | SunDevil it didn't.. least not with dselect. |
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| 21:50.55 | zack^ | Hi, I am having a problem with my Linux |
| 21:50.58 | ribnitz | afx_twn: not recommended. |
| 21:51.03 | ribnitz | !ask |
| 21:51.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 21:51.23 | TheTK421 | hello, I am running a radeon 7000 video card and everytime I try to use the startx it comes up with a Fatal Error: no more screens error, how can I solve this? |
| 21:51.47 | drp | lol zack^ |
| 21:51.47 | zack^ | My problem is that whenever I try to boot into linux my computer just... restarts... thank you for your time in considering my question.. I appreciate it a lot... |
| 21:52.27 | afx_twn | lol |
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| 21:52.53 | zapalotta | hello, any issues to stunnel4 known on debian besides the stuff in README.Debian? |
| 21:52.56 | SunDevil | jetx: indeed. have to manually remove lilo, but grub will overwrite MBR on install anywa |
| 21:53.01 | drasko | how to remove package that was only hjalf installed? |
| 21:53.06 | drasko | half |
| 21:53.12 | jetx | afx_twin i take it you didn't apt-get that grub bootfloppy |
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| 21:53.24 | afx_twn | no, i didnt |
| 21:53.30 | jetx | :/ |
| 21:53.38 | gilles | there are no icons anymore with Synaptics, why does this known bug takes so much time to be fixed ? |
| 21:53.40 | jetx | afx_twn got awoody cd? |
| 21:54.08 | jetx | gilles known. least to me and others, not positive there's a br |
| 21:54.21 | zack^ | I get to the screen where that cute penguin is there smiling at me, and lots of text floods my screen... And then it just restarts... |
| 21:54.23 | afx_twn | no... i have a sysrescue CD that my friend (much more linux able than me) said i should use |
| 21:54.34 | distempr | ribnitz: the 2.6.10-9-k8-smp kernel just panics. |
| 21:54.38 | SunDevil | zack^: no idea, could be a zillion things |
| 21:54.40 | zack^ | I have heard that linux is the future and I wish to get into it now, but my first thoughts are rather... well you know |
| 21:54.49 | directhex | daffy-pkf, what FieldySnuts said. <FieldySnuts> anything but ati, that's what |
| 21:54.52 | afx_twn | if i was able to use grub thered be no problem |
| 21:54.55 | jetx | afx_twn try using it, and run grub-update or install lilo or something |
| 21:54.57 | distempr | zack^: you just need to believe man... |
| 21:55.03 | distempr | just beeeliiieeeeveeee. |
| 21:55.09 | zack^ | Really |
| 21:55.11 | afx_twn | ill try that jetx |
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| 21:55.20 | jetx | afx_twn you should be able to choose kernels at thegrub prompt but i know nothing yet... |
| 21:55.29 | afx_twn | but as a plan b ill use grub |
| 21:55.30 | TheTK421 | hi, how can I solve the "no more screens error" when using startx with a r7000 video card? |
| 21:55.33 | distempr | Heh two laptops, two servers and 5 workstations (at home) can't be wrong. |
| 21:55.37 | directhex | !noscreensfound |
| 21:55.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 21:55.44 | afx_twn | most people who help me out dont really use it :P |
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| 21:55.48 | zack^ | I decided to go with Linux because that FreeBSD program I found through Google had a devil logo. Any program which promotes the dark angel is a disgrace. |
| 21:55.51 | jetx | !xwontstart |
| 21:55.51 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 21:55.53 | distempr | And 78 workstations and 8 servers here at the office can't be wrong either. |
| 21:55.58 | cochise | hi, I get this error running apt-get dist-upgrade: "files list file for package `kdebase' is missing final newline". anyone got a clue? |
| 21:56.07 | thenuke | zack^: obviously you have not the belief and force also might not be with you.. are you sure you are not a bit on the dark side are you? |
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| 21:56.33 | distempr | zack^: that's not the intent, but I guess you could interpret it that way. |
| 21:56.37 | zack^ | Star Wars parody? Interesting. |
| 21:56.48 | thenuke | zack^: but if you want to, you could try to have your eyes sharp and figure out that at which point it does restart |
| 21:56.50 | drasko | how to remove package that was only half installed? |
| 21:56.51 | thenuke | and then google around |
| 21:57.01 | infodroid | drasko: dpkg -r -a |
| 21:57.16 | thenuke | and you also could try to tweak bios to be more linux friendly, turn on ACPI and PNP-OS installed |
| 21:57.21 | zack^ | thenuke, unfortunutely the text on screen scrolls past awfully quick |
| 21:57.26 | distempr | zack^: it's a play on the workd daemon which refers to "server" processes (kinda). |
| 21:57.32 | distempr | word* |
| 21:57.45 | thenuke | zack^: also you could try some different linux distribution |
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| 21:58.04 | ribnitz | Looks my expectations form ogfg are too high. |
| 21:58.13 | distempr | ogfg? |
| 21:58.14 | zack^ | You mean there are others? |
| 21:58.25 | cochise | i've tried running apt-get clean and apt-get update again, but doesn't help |
| 21:58.27 | ribnitz | distempr: ogg-vorbis |
| 21:58.44 | directhex | ribnitz, worksforme(tm) |
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| 21:58.47 | TheTK421 | sorry, I have never used Linux before at all, and everyplace I have looked hasnt had an anwser to the problem. How do I do what you said to try>? |
| 21:58.48 | distempr | Anyway, where can I look for help next? Should I just revert to an older kernel? Or fondle my bios settings a bit... meh... |
| 21:58.51 | zack^ | thenuke, which would you recommend? |
| 21:59.05 | distempr | ribnitz: gotcha, why are they too high? ogg's fine for me. |
| 21:59.15 | distempr | directhex: heh. |
| 21:59.22 | TheMoebius | hey why is the version of webmin in apt outdated? |
| 21:59.24 | thenuke | zack^: ubuntu is pretty good for newbies, I like it too |
| 21:59.29 | thenuke | zack^: it is based on debian |
| 21:59.29 | ribnitz | distempr: I have "high quality earphones"... |
| 21:59.33 | directhex | TheMoebius, woody? |
| 21:59.46 | thenuke | zack^: it has VERY good support and it is very popular |
| 21:59.52 | zack^ | My problems started with this Debian application... Should I really continue with it? |
| 21:59.56 | TheMoebius | directhex sarge event |
| 22:00.02 | directhex | ribnitz, any frequency analysis shows vorbis, wma9 and aac all roughly equal, crapping even on lame --alt-preset standard |
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| 22:00.33 | jetx | i uninstalled lilo, but didn't tell it to get out of the mbr first... grub didn't show up. |
| 22:00.36 | distempr | TheMoebius: The guy that maintains it gave it up for adoption. |
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| 22:00.42 | distempr | TheMoebius: No one's picked it up. |
| 22:00.48 | marcot | How can I configure gnome for using one different wallpaper at each time I log on? |
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| 22:01.03 | drasko | infodroid, dpkg -r libgnomevfs2-0, but package wont remove because of dependency problems... When I put apt-get -f install, it wants to remove whole gnome... So I abort this, but how to remove this particular package? |
| 22:01.05 | abrotman | marcot: #gnome |
| 22:01.06 | distempr | directhex: what's aac? |
| 22:01.07 | ribnitz | directhex: I dont blame vorbis, I just see the limits of lossy compression.. |
| 22:01.10 | directhex | marcot, gnome uses a list for wallpapers. unless you mean gnome 1.x in woody |
| 22:01.19 | marcot | abrotman: no one answer me that in there. |
| 22:01.25 | abrotman | OT, But funny: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00067F1CE/ref%3Dpd_sbs_b_1/102-9040925-0161754 |
| 22:01.26 | directhex | distempr, dolby codec, used by default for ipod & itunes |
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| 22:01.31 | marcot | directhex: but how can I make it change it every time I log on? |
| 22:01.39 | directhex | marcot, it does. |
| 22:01.40 | abrotman | marcot: on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 22:01.50 | distempr | directhex: ahh, lame... |
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| 22:01.55 | ribnitz | directhex: perhaps its also the "standard cd" fed to standard oogenc is just not enough.. |
| 22:01.57 | marcot | abrotman: I'm using on irc.freenode.net |
| 22:01.59 | zack^ | I wonder if I should just stick with my Microsoft Windows for now |
| 22:02.02 | distempr | I despise anything ipod :) |
| 22:02.10 | abrotman | marcot: then go ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:02.13 | afx_twn | abrotman : thats crazy |
| 22:02.17 | TheMoebius | ok so how can I install and rpm by command line? |
| 22:02.30 | marcot | abrotman: I thought that they were the same. |
| 22:02.32 | abrotman | distempr: i despise anyhting ipeed :) |
| 22:02.36 | ribnitz | directhex: some cds actually are worse than others. |
| 22:02.37 | marcot | directhex: not here. |
| 22:02.39 | abrotman | marcot: no |
| 22:02.41 | directhex | marcot, which version of debian? |
| 22:02.44 | proxykillah | whats better mac OSX or debian? |
| 22:02.46 | distempr | abrotman: :D |
| 22:02.52 | marcot | directhex: it keeps on using the same main one. |
| 22:02.54 | ribnitz | !better |
| 22:02.54 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 22:02.56 | marcot | directhex: sarge. |
| 22:02.57 | abrotman | proxykillah: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:02.59 | directhex | proxykillah, what kind of idiotic question is that? |
| 22:03.04 | infodroid | drasko: did you do "dpkg -r -a" |
| 22:03.18 | proxykillah | hows it idiotic |
| 22:03.30 | distempr | proxykillah: I prefer runny egg yolks on top of the headcheese on my toast. Now that's better. |
| 22:03.38 | thame^ | that's pretty offensive |
| 22:03.40 | abrotman | proxykillah: you're obviously trolling |
| 22:03.41 | drasko | infodroid, yep... the same thing... |
| 22:04.00 | infodroid | drasko: what do you mean "the same thing" |
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| 22:04.42 | marcot | directhex: do you mean that it should use all the wallpapers I've put on the list, one at a time? |
| 22:04.52 | directhex | marcot, yes. |
| 22:05.20 | TheZanke | does nmap make logs? |
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| 22:05.39 | distempr | marcot: you need to add a script to your metacity sessions... one that calls gconftool-2 |
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| 22:06.24 | drasko | infodroid, dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of libgnomevfs2-0: and the long list follows. -a option is for removing all packages selected for removal... but I have just this one... |
| 22:06.31 | thame^ | guys I'm trying to install debian but it won't detect the installation media it's booting off of |
| 22:06.43 | marcot | distempr: is there a easy way of doing this? |
| 22:06.52 | marcot | distempr: something with less than 50 parameter? |
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| 22:07.13 | directhex | thame^, modern kit, debian 3.0? |
| 22:07.20 | thame^ | yes |
| 22:07.25 | directhex | that's normal. |
| 22:07.27 | distempr | marcot: nope, the problem with gnome is that the coders seem to think that automating and assuming and removing features will make it better :)... though that line of thought doesn't belong here... so short answer ... no. |
| 22:07.41 | distempr | marcot: it's only two params you call |
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| 22:07.51 | distempr | I wrote my own script to rotate bg's every hour. |
| 22:08.07 | marcot | distempr: and put it on cron? |
| 22:08.07 | infodroid | drasko: help me understand your past actions - did you originally try to apt-get remove this libgnomevfs? |
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| 22:08.14 | MilkyMouse | how come logs can be written to anything else than message? IE: message.0 ? it's the first time I see this and nothing has been changed to the system |
| 22:08.16 | distempr | marcot: unfortunately yep. |
| 22:08.16 | TheTK421 | ok, can anyone give me a GOOD guide to learning how to do basic things in linux |
| 22:08.16 | thame^ | okay so I shouldn't expect it to work from hardware from, say after the year 1999 |
| 22:08.23 | marcot | directhex: That's not in gnome documentation. |
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| 22:08.31 | directhex | thame^, january 2002. |
| 22:08.32 | simonrvn | MilkyMouse: log rotation... |
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| 22:08.37 | directhex | marcot, or you could install sarge. |
| 22:08.46 | marcot | directhex: I use sarge. |
| 22:08.46 | TheTK421 | I have never used command line beyond DOS and I have NO Idea how to open the log file so I can read what happened and try to solve it |
| 22:08.59 | directhex | thame^, or you could use sarge |
| 22:09.04 | TheTK421 | can anyone just give me a link or what to search in google for? |
| 22:09.06 | distempr | TheTK421: the command line provides a way to help yourself. |
| 22:09.07 | MilkyMouse | ssimonrvn yeah but how?? It's the first time I see this... even with restarting syslog/klog/etc... |
| 22:09.11 | simonrvn | TheTK421: rutebook |
| 22:09.26 | distempr | man commandname will help. oh and what simonrvn said... i completely forgot that. |
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| 22:09.36 | thame^ | I don't want to piss anyone off by linking these two, but neither debian nor ubuntu detect the cd-rom |
| 22:09.44 | simonrvn | MilkyMouse: what do you mean how? usually with logrotate |
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| 22:09.53 | apokryphos | Hi everyone. Is there a way to "force" apt-get? Checked the man page, but no luck. |
| 22:09.56 | directhex | thame^, what disk controller? |
| 22:09.57 | marcot | distempr: I don't know how to use cron very well. Can you tell me a good doc? |
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| 22:10.19 | MilkyMouse | simonrvn : no... logrotate is working, but all new log entry were written to /var/log/syslog.0 instead of /var/log/syslog... very weird problem |
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| 22:10.20 | thame^ | er, this is a rather new computer. it's got a ICH6 chipset and stuff |
| 22:10.22 | timo | apokryphos, "force"? is it complaining about something? |
| 22:10.32 | stew | apokryphos: what are you forcing it to do and why? |
| 22:10.38 | thame^ | but most other distro's could at least detect the cd-rom drive |
| 22:10.42 | MilkyMouse | simonrvn : I restarted the server and now everything is back to normal... ;( |
| 22:10.48 | marcot | distempr: can you give me the line on your script that calls gconftool-2/ |
| 22:10.49 | marcot | ? |
| 22:10.50 | jetscreamer | grub is a pretty blue |
| 22:10.52 | apokryphos | tillo: Yeah. "qtorrent: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu6 is to be installed" |
| 22:10.57 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: your log was just rotated by logrotate? |
| 22:11.03 | drasko | yas.. but it wont remove because of unmet dependencies... BTW: That package was not installed with apt-get install. I tried to install it manually, with dpkg -i. But the instalation failed because of unmet dependencies... Now I can not remove it... |
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| 22:11.11 | stew | apokryphos: wrong channel, you want #ubuntu |
| 22:11.19 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ yeah... but new entry were written in the rotated syslog.0.... ;( |
| 22:11.22 | directhex | apokryphos, that's what happens if you rub ubuntu. goodbye. |
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| 22:11.29 | jetscreamer | drasko, you might just have to bite the bullet... |
| 22:11.29 | abrotman | apokryphos: man dpkg |
| 22:11.36 | abrotman | apokryphos: but it's a very very very bad idea |
| 22:11.39 | jetscreamer | !tell drasko about fix-unmet |
| 22:11.42 | abrotman | apokryphos: and still wrong channel :) |
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| 22:12.18 | apokryphos | No, I know which channel I'm in ;-). Didn't have much luck there -- I thought debian users were more likely to be better acquianted with apt. |
| 22:12.29 | infodroid | drasko: try then "dpkg --configure --pending" |
| 22:12.40 | directhex | apokryphos, we are, but you have a ubuntu problem. we deal in debian solutions. |
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| 22:12.56 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: not sure how logrotate rotates, if it simply does "mv syslog syslog.0" then that is bound to happen.. |
| 22:12.59 | bucky | apokryphos, doesn't your nick mean 'the end of the world' ? |
| 22:13.10 | thame^ | oh well I guess I'll just have to wait until 2010 until my hardware from 2004 is supported eh |
| 22:13.12 | apokryphos | directhex: I have an Ubuntu problem, but not an Ubuntu question. My question was whether you can force apt-get. |
| 22:13.16 | apokryphos | bucky: Nope ;-) |
| 22:13.48 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ yeah but why is that the first time it happens? |
| 22:14.05 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ even with restarting every log daemons? (syslog in this case) |
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| 22:14.13 | directhex | thame^, you could try a sid image. that'll have a 2.6.10 kernel. i wouldn't recommend though |
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| 22:14.28 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: oh, after restart.. then it shuold not happen |
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| 22:14.43 | stew | apokryphos: what you want to do won't work anyway, you need to get your apt sources fixed, which is a #ubuntu problem |
| 22:14.54 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ it's really weird... |
| 22:15.03 | thame^ | kernels as of 2.6.10 support my HDD natively, so it would be awesome if I could get that to work.. |
| 22:15.07 | valdyn_ | MilkyMouse: reproduce it and file a bug ( but i doubt you can reproduce it. ) |
| 22:15.08 | apokryphos | stew: Again, I never said it wasn't an Ubuntu problem. |
| 22:15.21 | xerophyte | does anybody use xchm, if so is there anyway to copy content in it ? |
| 22:15.27 | apokryphos | I said my question (original question) wasn't an Ubuntu question |
| 22:15.39 | bucky | apokryphos, no.. we said it was a ubuntu problem |
| 22:15.43 | apokryphos | didn't realise there was such hostility between Ubuntu/Debian. Thought they were cousins. |
| 22:15.43 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ if it rehappens, I don't know how I'll be able to figure out what is really happening... |
| 22:15.48 | ribnitz | is there any relation between ogg kbps and mp3 (or other) sampling rate? |
| 22:15.52 | MilkyMouse | valdyn_ but I'm using kernel 2.6.10 |
| 22:16.04 | droberts_ | I have a usb drive that I'm trying to connect. Whenever it's plugged in while I boot, debian fails to boot with several messages. Where can I find those messages so I can post them to ask for help? |
| 22:16.09 | apokryphos | bucky: You say "no" and go on to agree with me? |
| 22:16.12 | apokryphos | heh |
| 22:16.17 | drasko | jetscreamer, i am in dselect and it says U** Opt libs libgnomevfs2 The GNOME virtual file-system library (runtime files) for this package |
| 22:16.21 | bucky | apokryphos, you should go ask in suse about a redhat problem.. they both use rpm |
| 22:16.43 | jetscreamer | drasko, the u is for uninstall |
| 22:16.44 | drasko | jetscreamer, how to remove it now? |
| 22:16.44 | apokryphos | No, it's not the same friend. I'm asking in Debian about an apt question. :D |
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| 22:16.51 | directhex | ribnitz, the theory is (aac|wma9|vorbis) can give same quality as half the equivalent mp3 bitrate |
| 22:16.51 | jetscreamer | err |
| 22:16.58 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 22:16.59 | paulswm | apokryphos: You persist in asking a question related to #ubuntu in #debian. We don't run #ubuntu, we run #debian. At first, you were obviosuly mistaken. Now you are trolling. |
| 22:17.21 | jetscreamer | drasko, hit the - or _ when it's highlighted... it still may take gnome* with it though |
| 22:17.30 | marcot | distempr: can you do this to me? |
| 22:17.36 | apokryphos | paulswm: Incorrect. I've asked the question only once or twice. But, it's interesting to see the hostility. |
| 22:17.43 | jetscreamer | drasko, you can abort if it does try though |
| 22:17.43 | apokryphos | Thanks anyhow, and that's my cue to leave. |
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| 22:17.56 | ribnitz | directhex: whats your observation? |
| 22:18.11 | jetscreamer | and iirc gnomevfs will take it with it |
| 22:18.23 | drasko | jetscreamer, i htit the - and _ and nothing happends? |
| 22:18.25 | directhex | ribnitz, i use the same bitrate i used to use, and i'm happy |
| 22:18.41 | jetscreamer | drasko, that's just to mark it.. hit enter now |
| 22:18.54 | dafen | forget about the mp3 crap, when will nvidia-kernel-source be availabe again in sarge? |
| 22:18.57 | jetscreamer | - is uninstall _ is purge |
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| 22:19.48 | drasko | jetscreamer, is this U*- good? Hitting enter I get U-* and nothing happens again |
| 22:19.54 | directhex | dafen, good question. don't know. pull the packages from sid instead. /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix, /msg dpkg non-free sources, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 22:20.48 | droberts_ | Can anyone help me with a usb problem? I have a usb drive which, when I plug it in, stops my usb mouse from working. I haven't been able to mount or mkfs it yet. It can be plugged in with the mouse so long as usb-storage is not loaded. Some sort of conflict between usb-storage and usbmouse. Any ideas? |
| 22:20.50 | jetscreamer | drasko, that means it 'didn't work' , hit shift+q |
| 22:21.08 | simonrvn | no, X |
| 22:21.09 | jetscreamer | drasko, or you could try to install it |
| 22:21.19 | simonrvn | Q doesn't do the "quit without saving" |
| 22:21.24 | ribnitz | directhex: what -q does that translate to? |
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| 22:21.52 | jetscreamer | ok shiftX then |
| 22:21.55 | simonrvn | (if that's what you wanna do that is) |
| 22:22.18 | jetscreamer | or ctrl+c |
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| 22:22.41 | directhex | ribnitz, 6 |
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| 22:23.00 | drasko | jetscreamer, I can not -- it has unmet dependencies on that side too... |
| 22:23.20 | solemnwarning | ive installed debian but nothing works |
| 22:23.24 | drasko | infodroid, i tried that... nothing happened... |
| 22:23.45 | solemnwarning | startx: command not found |
| 22:23.55 | directhex | solemnwarning, did you INSTALL it? |
| 22:24.00 | solemnwarning | and apt-get cant find any packages at all |
| 22:24.19 | directhex | solemnwarning, which version of debian is this? |
| 22:24.25 | solemnwarning | the latest i think |
| 22:24.33 | directhex | !latest] |
| 22:24.35 | directhex | !latest |
| 22:24.35 | dpkg | it has been said that newest is *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 22:24.36 | atrus | droberts_: my first guess is that you don't have enough power to run everything you've got on that usb hub |
| 22:24.49 | solemnwarning | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:24.55 | solemnwarning | i386 net-install disk |
| 22:25.04 | directhex | right. run apt-setup. |
| 22:25.10 | solemnwarning | k |
| 22:25.12 | solemnwarning | brb |
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| 22:25.55 | buu | Anyone have an idea how I could access my cd images? |
| 22:26.00 | droberts_ | atrus: the usb drive has a separate power supply. the mouse works fine normally. those are all of my usb devices. |
| 22:27.09 | atrus | droberts_: does the drive work with the mouse unplugged? |
| 22:27.20 | ribnitz | directhex: any way to set that level for future encodings? |
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| 22:27.52 | solemnwarning | iva added sources and it still cant find xorg |
| 22:27.54 | directhex | ribnitz, no idea, i use kaudiocreator as a frontend |
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| 22:28.16 | droberts_ | atrus: no. |
| 22:28.23 | directhex | solemnwarning, 1) debian uses xfree86 not xorg, 2) you need to run apt-get update, 3) the package you want is x-window-system] |
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| 22:28.24 | jetscreamer | drasko, just instal the thing then d/l gnome again i guess :/ |
| 22:28.26 | ribnitz | directhex: I use abcde. |
| 22:28.30 | solemnwarning | k |
| 22:28.49 | atrus | droberts_: maybe it's a bad drive, or bad firmware on it, confusing your usb root hub? |
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| 22:29.04 | atrus | droberts_: more-or-less guessing here. |
| 22:29.36 | droberts_ | atrus: thanks for the guesses. I'll try plugging it into another machine to see if it's just a bad drive. |
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| 22:29.56 | quittt | hi |
| 22:30.35 | quittt | directhex, hey kickstart maker =P |
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| 22:30.35 | directhex | quitte, hm? you mean doomsday? |
| 22:30.42 | quitte | i have a little feature request for the kernel.shut up |
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| 22:30.50 | quitte | shut up i mean |
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| 22:31.03 | droberts_ | atrus: incidentally, the drive can be recognized successfully as a storage device so long as usb-storage isn't loaded. |
| 22:31.04 | quittt | directhex, yes |
| 22:31.08 | quittt | hey quitte =P |
| 22:31.23 | quitte | qddp |
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| 22:31.43 | quittt | quitte, wtf? |
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| 22:32.04 | quitte | that's a smiley. go figure it out |
| 22:32.36 | atrus | droberts_: do you in fact need the usb-storage module loaded to use the drive? |
| 22:33.40 | calljair | guys i am trying to zip a folder with some text files inside using : #root zip |
| 22:33.41 | drasko | jetscreamer, infodroid guys: A SOLUTION! dpkg --force-depends -r libgnomevfs2-0 will turn all dependency problems ino a warning and remove evil package! |
| 22:33.52 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 22:33.59 | calljair | I am not sure if I should do zip foo * |
| 22:34.08 | calljair | or how I should do it |
| 22:34.09 | drasko | jetscreamer, also, see dpkg --force-help, for help |
| 22:34.23 | calljair | I want to make the zip using the terminal she;; |
| 22:34.26 | calljair | shell |
| 22:34.39 | TheZanke | is apache automaticall friends with php or is that something i need to work on? |
| 22:34.48 | TheZanke | automatically* |
| 22:34.51 | droberts_ | atrus: just successfully got it recognized by a ms box. not sure about needing usb-storage. how would I access it without that? |
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| 22:35.20 | atrus | droberts_: idunno. only usb mass storage device i have is a camera. |
| 22:35.44 | atrus | droberts_: which works fine under 2.6.11-rc3 with the usb_storage module |
| 22:35.50 | keith_ | Debian3r4. Xine. Can anyone explain/fix this error from Xine. " -xine engine error- There is no available input plugin available to handle 'xine-ui' version 0.9.8." Does this mean no plugin is available to download or does it mean it is not available on my computer because I have not downloaded it. |
| 22:36.46 | droberts_ | atrus: I'm on 2.4.18 - but not for any reason other than I'm new to Debian and wanted something more recent than 2.2 |
| 22:37.01 | pyrophreak | how do I know what driver to use when setting up x? |
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| 22:37.18 | JoshH | droberts_: thats still pretty damn old... |
| 22:37.26 | atrus | droberts_: that's pretty old iirc. you may want to try a current 2.4.x, or a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 22:37.50 | JoshH | droberts_: are you new to linux or just new to debian? |
| 22:37.59 | usn | hi all |
| 22:38.19 | blacksirius | guys - if "lspci" gives me "0000:00:08.0" then what is my (PCI) video card's bus identifier please? is it "PCI:0:8:0" |
| 22:38.22 | droberts_ | JoshH: new to linux system administration. I've been a user for years. |
| 22:38.43 | droberts_ | atrus & JoshH: So I should probably upgrade. Can you point me to a resource that will help me do so? |
| 22:38.52 | stew | blacksirius: unless you have 2 video cards just leave it blank |
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| 22:39.06 | maher | blacksirius: or unless youare on ppc |
| 22:39.13 | blacksirius | stew: i have two cards but i only use one |
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| 22:39.16 | jetscreamer | blacksirius, PCI:1:0:0 usually but you can leave it blank if you have only one vid card |
| 22:39.24 | blacksirius | hi jetscreamer |
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| 22:39.33 | blacksirius | on vid card is onboard the other PCI |
| 22:39.39 | blacksirius | i use the PCI one |
| 22:39.40 | pyrophreak | I have a pny GeForce4 TI4400 what driver do I select when I config X ? |
| 22:39.54 | shamu | F |
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| 22:40.00 | jetscreamer | that may not be the correct value then blacksirius |
| 22:40.05 | distempr | I'm new to wireless, so I'm wondering.. I'm running a nat/firewall box and want to add wireless access to the network (it's primarily wired) but I want wireless for the two laptops in the house... what should I look at buying? is there a guide for linux-based networks? |
| 22:40.10 | jetscreamer | nv pyrophreak |
| 22:40.14 | alus | which debian package do I need for <GL/gl.h> and other opengl headers/libs ? |
| 22:40.37 | blacksirius | jetscreamer: shalli leave it empty then? |
| 22:40.39 | jetscreamer | blacksirius, PCI:1:0:0 doesn't exclude agp btw |
| 22:40.48 | TheZanke | what happens when you guys go here -> http://12.222.2.115/ it trys to dl the .php file for me |
| 22:41.10 | jetscreamer | blacksirius, i'm not sure what the second one would be, but i think your pci card will be the second, not PCI:1:0:0 |
| 22:41.11 | TheZanke | i am trying to forward index.html to index.php |
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| 22:41.24 | thenuke | firefox wants to download index.php |
| 22:41.43 | blacksirius | jetscreamer: "lspci" gives me "0000:00:08.0" |
| 22:41.52 | pyrophreak | ok that worked, but now I get the error of 'no devices detected' how do I fix this |
| 22:41.52 | TheZanke | thenuke: why? |
| 22:42.04 | streuner | thenuke: read the docs from php4 (README.debian) |
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| 22:42.26 | thenuke | streuner: why :( I dont want to solve problems for other ppl by reading manuals :,-) |
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| 22:43.16 | streuner | thenuke: its not a bad idea to read it twice |
| 22:43.41 | streuner | thenuke: just follow the discussion yet... |
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| 22:43.45 | directhex | !find GL/gl.h |
| 22:43.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'GL/gl.h' (4 shown): (/usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/include/GL/gl.h) in devel/mingw32-runtime ;; (/usr/include/GL/gl.h) in devel/mesa-common-dev,libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx-dev/include/GL/gl.h) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-dev. |
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| 22:44.05 | blacksirius | jetscreamer: it worked |
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| 22:44.26 | thenuke | streuner: for a fff.. It was not my my problem or fault :) |
| 22:44.26 | pyrophreak | ok that worked, but now I get the error of 'no devices detected' how do I fix this |
| 22:44.36 | alus | mesa-gl-dev? |
| 22:44.37 | thenuke | Someone just asked everyone to go into there |
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| 22:44.43 | streuner | thenuke: nm then :-) |
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| 22:45.34 | creichen | Hi! It seems that the latest openoffice.org package depends on libbonobo; does anyone happen to know whether this is going to be comething permanent or just a minor and temporary screw-up? |
| 22:45.45 | pyrophreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.57 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 22:46.01 | streuner | pyrophreak: what videocard do you use? |
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| 22:46.17 | pyrophreak | PNY GeForce4 TI4400 |
| 22:46.30 | streuner | pyrophreak: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 22:46.56 | creichen | s/comething/something/ |
| 22:46.57 | buu | Anyone know how to mount a clonecd img? |
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| 22:47.02 | buu | Or a binary cd image |
| 22:47.06 | Pred1 | !find tcpdump |
| 22:47.07 | streuner | pyrophreak: some nvidia videocards are supported by xfree - check out their site too |
| 22:47.11 | dpkg | tcpdump: (A powerful tool for network monitoring and data acquisition), section net, is optional. Version: 3.8.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
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| 22:47.26 | pyrophreak | dpkg nvidia howto |
| 22:47.26 | dpkg | methinks nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody |
| 22:47.28 | stew | buu: is that .bin/.cue? |
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| 22:47.43 | buu | stew: Yep. |
| 22:47.44 | quitte | buu cdemu.sf.net |
| 22:47.53 | buu | stew: Wait, never mind. |
| 22:47.55 | stew | buu: afaik, you can't its not a filesystem |
| 22:47.57 | buu | stew: .img, .ccd, .sub |
| 22:48.04 | quitte | stew cdemu.sf.net |
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| 22:48.20 | streuner | buu: ccd isn't supported in linux |
| 22:48.24 | buu | ! |
| 22:48.29 | stew | buu: what does "file blah.img" say it is |
| 22:48.31 | marcot | Is there a tool for generating random numbers in shell in a simple way? |
| 22:48.35 | alus | directhex: seems after installing that, mesa stopped working: glxgears no longer runs on my non opengl videocard |
| 22:48.42 | Pred1 | !find hdparm |
| 22:48.45 | dpkg | hdparm: (tune hard disk parameters for high performance), section admin, is optional. Version: 5.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 22:48.53 | TwoSchubert | marcot, really good random numbers? |
| 22:48.58 | marcot | TwoSchubert: no. |
| 22:49.04 | buu | stew: "data" |
| 22:49.06 | stew | pyrophreak: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 22:49.10 | marcot | TwoSchubert: just a normal random... |
| 22:49.15 | marcot | TwoSchubert: semi-random. |
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| 22:49.32 | stew | buu: i'd belive streuner |
| 22:49.36 | TwoSchubert | marcot, well /dev/urandom would be useful |
| 22:49.38 | buu | stew: =[ |
| 22:49.55 | TwoSchubert | or look into a perl or py function, there must be one |
| 22:50.03 | TwoSchubert | if you like neat random numbers |
| 22:50.11 | stew | buu: where did you get this, cant you just get whomever made it to give it to you in another format? |
| 22:50.21 | C5Hardtop | how can I search for a file in a teminal? I'm looking for something like dir \test /s |
| 22:50.22 | marcot | TwoSchubert: but how can I convert this to simple numbers? |
| 22:50.32 | marcot | TwoSchubert: and make it `mod` something? |
| 22:50.40 | pyrophreak | streuner: I have a kernal source tree error or something of that sort when trying to install, how do I fix this? |
| 22:50.44 | buu | stew: No, I made it |
| 22:50.57 | TwoSchubert | marcot, look into a perl or py function |
| 22:51.10 | buu | stew: In windows. Then I reformatted and installed linux. |
| 22:51.16 | streuner | pyrophreak: give us more details |
| 22:51.37 | stew | C5Hardtop: man find |
| 22:51.45 | quitte | buu a ccd2iso exists for linux |
| 22:51.50 | C5Hardtop | thanks! |
| 22:51.54 | stew | C5Hardtop: (i have no idea what that dir \test /s was supposed to do) |
| 22:52.13 | pyrophreak | when I try to install the nvidia driver I get ther error: 'unable to find kernal source tree' |
| 22:52.14 | C5Hardtop | its the windows equivilant of searching for a file |
| 22:52.20 | SunDevil | C5Hardtop: or 'locate' but you need to do an 'updatedb' first. |
| 22:52.50 | marcot | How can I select the nth file from an directory? |
| 22:52.51 | TwoSchubert | marcot, IIRC, there was a perl module for a PRNG |
| 22:53.00 | calljair | guys hello, I am trying to zip a file using the shell |
| 22:53.06 | marcot | Following any order, by date for example. |
| 22:53.10 | marcot | Anyone that works. |
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| 22:53.17 | calljair | the directory is call foo |
| 22:53.17 | marcot | TwoSchubert: I've solved the random problem. |
| 22:53.20 | marcot | with python. |
| 22:53.26 | calljair | and inside it have 300 txt files |
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| 22:53.39 | creichen | calljair: 'gzip <filename>' |
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| 22:53.43 | TwoSchubert | marcot, which function? |
| 22:53.48 | marcot | Is it possible with bash? |
| 22:53.53 | marcot | rand |
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| 22:53.55 | stew | calljair: have you read man zip? |
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| 22:54.09 | marcot | random.randInt |
| 22:54.10 | TwoSchubert | marcel, don't think so |
| 22:54.16 | marcot | random.randint |
| 22:54.22 | TheMachine | does anyone have experience installing the nvidia drivers on the newer debian release? |
| 22:54.23 | marcot | from random |
| 22:54.23 | TwoSchubert | ops, marcot, don' t think so |
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| 22:54.36 | marcot | Sorry, I've said it wrong. |
| 22:54.42 | TwoSchubert | marcot, I've just came up an idea |
| 22:54.48 | TwoSchubert | may be useful |
| 22:54.51 | TwoSchubert | with bash |
| 22:54.51 | valdyn_ | !tell TheMachine about ask |
| 22:55.07 | marcot | For the second problem? |
| 22:55.14 | stew | marcot: $RANDOM in bash is a function that returns a random int |
| 22:55.19 | C5Hardtop | how do i get find to search subdirectories? |
| 22:55.22 | stew | marcot: if thats what you are after, i haven't been following |
| 22:55.30 | marcot | stew: thanks. |
| 22:55.37 | pyrophreak | when I try to install the nvidia driver I get ther error: 'unable to find kernal source tree' |
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| 22:55.44 | SunDevil | C5Hardtop: it does by default |
| 22:55.58 | stew | pyrophreak: what does uname -r say? |
| 22:55.59 | C5Hardtop | i just tested it and it didn't |
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| 22:56.09 | SunDevil | find <startdir> type -f name <filename> |
| 22:56.17 | stew | C5Hardtop: it does unless you give it a -maxdepth 1 argument |
| 22:56.29 | stew | C5Hardtop: if you are just looking for files by name use locate |
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| 22:56.44 | pyrophreak | stew: 2.2.20-idepci |
| 22:56.54 | stew | !idepci |
| 22:56.54 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes greycat cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 22:56.59 | shaggs | arg, accidentally closed my irc client |
| 22:57.07 | stew | !real kernel |
| 22:57.07 | dpkg | hmm... real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
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| 22:58.20 | Rab_Da_Kab | hi people |
| 22:58.29 | shaggs | anyways, i need to install my nvidia drivers outside of X, how do I get out of X? |
| 22:58.37 | C5Hardtop | ZRACER:/downloads# ls |
| 22:58.37 | C5Hardtop | atk-1.8.0 glib-2.4.8 gqview-1.4.5.tar-1 pango-1.4.1 |
| 22:58.37 | C5Hardtop | gettext-0.13 gqview-1.4.5 gtk+-2.4.9 |
| 22:58.37 | C5Hardtop | ZRACER:/downloads# find makefile |
| 22:58.37 | C5Hardtop | find: makefile: No such file or directory |
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| 22:58.51 | valdyn_ | !nvidia-howto |
| 22:58.53 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia-howto is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html for complete instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Sid, or http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for Woody |
| 22:58.58 | quitte | shaggs ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 22:59.02 | Rab_Da_Kab | Ctrl+Alt+Bckspace |
| 22:59.03 | stew | pyrophreak: you need at least a real 2.4 kernel, you need to apt-get install a kernel-image-2.4.something, and install the corresponding kernel-headers package, but woody might be too old for whatever you are doing, i don't know anything about nvidia |
| 22:59.03 | JoshH | shaggs: /etc/init.d/xdm(or gdm or kdm) stop |
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| 22:59.05 | ssj4conejo | i keep getting vfs error: kernel panic thing everytime i boot my kernel even with an initrd. i use grub |
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| 22:59.12 | valdyn_ | shaggs: read the howto, dont use nvidias installer |
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| 22:59.58 | alemao | hey. Any ideas on how to make wtmp updated?! |
| 23:00.02 | stew | calljair: filenames are case sensitive in unix. if you want to find case insensitive try find . -iname makefile |
| 23:00.14 | Rab_Da_Kab | bye |
| 23:00.19 | stew | calljair: nm, wrong person, and he's gone.... |
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| 23:00.39 | roel- | how can I configure my interfaces file such that the ipv6 tunnel setup wait until my DSL ethernet card is properly initialized? |
| 23:00.39 | SunDevil | and he forgot the starting dir |
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| 23:01.13 | SunDevil | roel-: put it in if-ud.d |
| 23:01.18 | SunDevil | if-up |
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| 23:01.48 | roel- | SunDevil: what is 'it' ? |
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| 23:02.01 | C5Hardtop | #flood |
| 23:02.07 | C5Hardtop | ZRACER:/downloads# ls |
| 23:02.07 | C5Hardtop | atk-1.8.0 glib-2.4.8 gqview-1.4.5.tar-1 pango-1.4.1 |
| 23:02.07 | C5Hardtop | gettext-0.13 gqview-1.4.5 gtk+-2.4.9 |
| 23:02.07 | C5Hardtop | ZRACER:/downloads# find makefile |
| 23:02.07 | C5Hardtop | find: makefile: No such file or directory |
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| 23:02.11 | daffy-pkf | can someone help me to have a well usable ati radeon 9200? i can't manage to install fglrx, and the radeon and ati module don't allow me to run games |
| 23:02.12 | stew | sigh |
| 23:02.16 | Rawplayer | gerard? |
| 23:02.37 | SunDevil | roel-: a directory under /etc/network |
| 23:02.38 | roel- | SunDevil: should I put an 'interfaces' file in the /etc/network/if-up.d directory? (I see only scripts there) |
| 23:02.56 | stew | gotta wonder what he is doing with gtk+ sources and glib sources too |
| 23:02.59 | SunDevil | roel-: scripts in that dir are run after the interface is up |
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| 23:03.03 | roel- | I know |
| 23:03.09 | roel- | but |
| 23:03.17 | stew | C5Hardtop: first, don't paste in here |
| 23:03.28 | roel- | I have both a DSL init in my interfaces file, and a ipv6 tunnel setup in the same interfaces file |
| 23:03.28 | C5Hardtop | ok |
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| 23:03.36 | SunDevil | roel-: aw |
| 23:03.43 | stew | C5Hardtop: if you want to paste paste in the #flood channel |
| 23:03.48 | SunDevil | roel-: id have put that somewhere else |
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| 23:04.00 | SunDevil | C5Hardtop: find . -iname makefile |
| 23:04.03 | roel- | so there's the pre-up command thingy |
| 23:04.03 | stew | C5Hardtop: you need to read the find manpage again, the first argument is a directory (like .) |
| 23:04.12 | jetscreamer | !tell C5Hardtop about paste |
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| 23:04.28 | buu | I ran ccd2iso on my .img file, got an iso, but I can't mount it with mount -t iso9660 foo.img /mnt/foo -o loop; I get "invalid superblock" |
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| 23:04.39 | stew | C5Hardtop: then if you want to find by name its -name makefile; if you want to find by name, but case insensitive (which i'm guessing you do since you typed makefile instead of Makefile) use -iname |
| 23:04.56 | stew | C5Hardtop: what are you trying to compile and why? |
| 23:05.31 | alejandro_ | 8) |
| 23:05.34 | SunDevil | roel-: isnt 'interfaces' a weird place for a DSL script? |
| 23:05.39 | C5Hardtop | i'm trying to compile GTK 2.4, but i just found that i really don't need it |
| 23:05.41 | buu | So uhm, anyone have an idea? |
| 23:05.47 | Rawplayer | my friend has deleted my.cnf how can you reinstall that config file again? |
| 23:05.53 | stew | !wayc C5Hardtop |
| 23:05.53 | dpkg | C5Hardtop: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 23:05.55 | Rawplayer | from the mysql package |
| 23:06.10 | C5Hardtop | the story is |
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| 23:06.26 | C5Hardtop | i downloaded debian woody and everything apt-get installed was older than the hills |
| 23:06.27 | SunDevil | Rawplayer: isnt there a my.cnf.dpkg-dist right next to it? |
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| 23:06.37 | C5Hardtop | then i installed sarge and boy is it nice |
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| 23:06.43 | paulswm | Yay! |
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| 23:06.44 | SunDevil | C5Hardtop: yes, check /etc/apt/sources |
| 23:06.45 | C5Hardtop | apt-get is getting the latest |
| 23:07.01 | C5Hardtop | i just installed gqview and it was the latest! |
| 23:07.11 | C5Hardtop | i have apt-get configured to use the internet |
| 23:07.25 | stew | C5Hardtop: did you reinstall sarge from scratch or upgrade by editing sources.list? |
| 23:07.26 | C5Hardtop | instead of downloading 10 iso images i did a net install and it worked great! |
| 23:07.39 | Rawplayer | SunDevil: no he has deleted that :) |
| 23:07.42 | penguin | net install rocks |
| 23:07.44 | C5Hardtop | i did a clean install |
| 23:07.50 | paulswm | Yeah the sarge installer is so good |
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| 23:08.08 | penguin | Much easier than windows install |
| 23:08.09 | SunDevil | "dpkg --reconfigure mysql" ? |
| 23:08.18 | C5Hardtop | it even get my usb mouse going |
| 23:08.29 | C5Hardtop | *got |
| 23:08.36 | C5Hardtop | brb, beer |
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| 23:08.42 | penguin | I had no issues on my Dell Dimension |
| 23:09.37 | paulswm | I have sarge running on a pretty eclectic mix of machines without issues |
| 23:09.42 | benley | so, does anybody know why the heck nvidia-kernel-source (etc) is not in Sarge? |
| 23:10.01 | penguin | nvidia kernel source? |
| 23:10.17 | benley | the stuff to build the nvidia driver. |
| 23:10.28 | C5Hardtop | i think they have issues with the driver |
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| 23:10.42 | benley | I've asked the dpkg bot about it (/msg dpkg nvidia one-liner) |
| 23:10.52 | benley | it says you need unstable presently, which seems weird |
| 23:10.58 | buu | Anyone have an idea how I could mount my .iso? |
| 23:11.09 | benley | buu: mount -o loop,ro filename.iso /mnt |
| 23:11.15 | buu | benley: I tried that |
| 23:11.22 | valdyn_ | benley: it sais you need to get the nvidia-kernel-source from unstable, not more.. |
| 23:11.35 | benley | valdyn_: but that requires dpatch >=2.0.0, which sarge lacks. |
| 23:11.42 | benley | buu: do you not have loop support in your kernel? |
| 23:11.50 | buu | benley: "you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 23:11.54 | valdyn_ | benley: oh really? thats news |
| 23:11.54 | buu | So I do -t iso9660 |
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| 23:12.06 | benley | valdyn_: well, I just now tried it |
| 23:12.13 | benley | valdyn_: it may be a new development |
| 23:12.16 | buu | benley: Then I get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0" |
| 23:12.23 | valdyn_ | benley: yep |
| 23:12.27 | benley | buu: yhl, I guess |
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| 23:12.30 | valdyn_ | !info dpatch sarge |
| 23:12.32 | benley | buu: are you sure the iso works? |
| 23:12.35 | valdyn_ | !info dpatch sid |
| 23:12.35 | buu | benley: No =[ |
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| 23:12.40 | dpkg | dpatch: (patch maintenance system for Debian source packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 23:12.43 | buu | benley: But everyone seems to think ccd2iso works. |
| 23:12.45 | vulture | buu: so are you sure it's actually an iso? what does "file" say about your file.. |
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| 23:12.50 | linC | hi |
| 23:12.52 | dpkg | dpatch: (patch maintenance system for Debian source packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.0.10 (sarge), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 23:12.58 | benley | alright, wtf. |
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| 23:13.02 | valdyn_ | benley: look ) |
| 23:13.03 | buu | vulture: It says "data" |
| 23:13.07 | benley | valdyn_: yeah, I see. |
| 23:13.12 | shaggs | why do I keep gettin this message from apt-get?: Package nvidia-kernel-common is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 23:13.12 | shaggs | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 23:13.12 | shaggs | is only available from another source |
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| 23:13.19 | Pred1 | how can i apply this patch: http://web.onda.com.br/nadal/ ? |
| 23:13.19 | shaggs | oops, sorry didnt mean to flood |
| 23:13.20 | jagerman | buu: How big is the iso? |
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| 23:13.29 | C5Hardtop | whats the blue bar for under the username list in xchat? |
| 23:13.38 | buu | jagerman: 638mb |
| 23:13.59 | SunDevil | Pred1: with program 'patch' |
| 23:14.00 | jagerman | buu: Hmm, file for me reports ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data |
| 23:14.09 | vulture | buu: sounds like it isn;t an iso.. file correctly identifies my isos |
| 23:14.14 | SunDevil | man patch: patch - apply a diff file to an original |
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| 23:14.54 | marcot | And how could I make an bash script that gives me the nth file of an directory, for example, or for a list of files from find -name ... |
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| 23:15.11 | buu | jagerman: Bah |
| 23:15.28 | buu | jagerman: I have a verified working .ccd/.img file, I ran ccd2iso on it, it made a .img |
| 23:15.30 | dupondje | hi guys! how do i search a dir for [NUKED]* ? |
| 23:15.46 | dupondje | i tryed find /dir -path [NUKED]* |
| 23:15.48 | dupondje | but didn't work :s |
| 23:15.57 | Pred1 | SunDevil: can't find file to patch at input line 4, i get this |
| 23:16.02 | benley | you can always find /dir |grep [NUKED]* or something |
| 23:16.06 | buu | jagerman: No it doesn't work =[ |
| 23:16.09 | penguin | YOu need "[NUKED]*" |
| 23:16.15 | benley | and yes, use quotes. |
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| 23:16.26 | SunDevil | Pred1: put the patchfile in the same dir as the files you are trying to patch |
| 23:16.33 | FieldySnuts | nuke the idiot who used brackets and caps and stars in a filename |
| 23:16.37 | jagerman | ccd2iso made a .img file? |
| 23:16.55 | buu | jagerman: Er, .iso |
| 23:17.02 | benley | FieldySnuts: my favorite is the file in my homedir called "?????" |
| 23:17.13 | FieldySnuts | - or -- is fun too |
| 23:17.23 | benley | rm -- -- should nuke that |
| 23:17.36 | Shadur | I remember reiser blowing up in my face once and giving me a file named / in my home dir. |
| 23:17.42 | FieldySnuts | years ago i ran into this dumb app somebody made called erect, its sole job was to erect a tree of directories and files with the most annoying names possible |
| 23:17.48 | SunDevil | everybody has come along that problem at least once in his/her *nix career :) |
| 23:17.49 | FieldySnuts | spaces, utf symbols, you name it |
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| 23:17.53 | linC | anyone can hel me for a alsa configuration ? alsa warn me : ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave ( with mpg123, mplayer. xmms and mp3blaster is ok ) |
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| 23:17.58 | FieldySnuts | it also pulled from /dev/random for many of the names |
| 23:18.01 | FieldySnuts | friggin annoying |
| 23:18.07 | BleSS | i need change the user-agent of firefox, to enter in a web to IE only, how? |
| 23:18.13 | benley | FieldySnuts: awesome |
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| 23:18.21 | dupondje | hmmm |
| 23:18.21 | SunDevil | FieldySnuts: gotta love tab-completion |
| 23:18.24 | dupondje | doesn't give anything :s |
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| 23:18.30 | dupondje | and there are [NUKED] dirs :s |
| 23:18.38 | buu | jagerman: Waah, make it work =[ |
| 23:18.38 | FieldySnuts | tab completion usually didn't work, when you hit enter it'd manage some screwy character and fail |
| 23:18.43 | shaggs | how do i setup good sources for apt? |
| 23:18.45 | FieldySnuts | nor did escaping or anything else |
| 23:18.56 | FieldySnuts | it usually took blowing the filesystem out, shockingly |
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| 23:19.03 | jagerman | buu: I'm running it right now, hold your horses |
| 23:19.03 | SunDevil | FieldySnuts: in bash weird chars get escaped with tab-completion |
| 23:19.06 | linC | anyone can hel me for a alsa configuration ? alsa warn me : ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave ( with mpg123, mplayer. xmms and mp3blaster is ok ( debian sid ) |
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| 23:19.15 | FieldySnuts | SunDevil: these didn't. wish I still had it, it was nuts |
| 23:19.21 | SunDevil | coo |
| 23:19.30 | SunDevil | ive toyed with that stuff under windows too |
| 23:19.34 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 23:19.37 | SunDevil | making files you couldnt delete |
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| 23:19.39 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 23:19.46 | SunDevil | or with spaces at the end |
| 23:19.46 | FieldySnuts | or the kernel couldn't see once created, ever |
| 23:19.56 | cyklus | im reintalling a server and was wondering if there is any way I can save and restore the current users of the server.. any advice appriciated? |
| 23:20.14 | SunDevil | tar cz /home/users > users.tgz |
| 23:20.15 | SunDevil | ? |
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| 23:20.35 | gate_ | I was wondering if there are any good problams for helping keep track for a few hundred debian systems. Something kind or like a cross between the redhat network web pages and a project management program |
| 23:20.39 | penguin | find -name "[NUKED]*" will find all files with those capital letter in them. |
| 23:20.41 | SunDevil | cyklus: and save /etc/passwd |
| 23:20.49 | gate_ | dam, can't spell programs |
| 23:20.53 | dupondje | penguin |
| 23:20.55 | dupondje | its not a file |
| 23:20.57 | dupondje | its a dir |
| 23:21.06 | cyklus | SunDevil: that easy? |
| 23:21.36 | penguin | YOu have a directory named [NUKED]* ? |
| 23:21.41 | FieldySnuts | uh /etc/shadow as well |
| 23:21.42 | cyklus | SunDevil: what about passwords and groups? |
| 23:21.46 | FieldySnuts | and group |
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| 23:21.57 | dupondje | penguin [NUKED]-blabla |
| 23:22.10 | cyklus | FieldySnuts: ok.. i can just drop those in after the reinstall and it should all work? |
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| 23:22.24 | jagerman | buu: ccd2iso didn't work for me either :( |
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| 23:22.36 | TinoW | hi |
| 23:23.33 | pyrophreak | how do I add initrd to my LILO config? |
| 23:23.55 | vulture | !initrd |
| 23:23.55 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 23:24.33 | vulture | pyrophreak: if you are installing a new debian kernel image it should tell you exactly what to do |
| 23:24.56 | penguin | find -name '[[]*' will find it. |
| 23:25.19 | vulture | initrd=/initrd.img in the image=/vmlinuz section |
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| 23:26.06 | pyrophreak | vulture: I did that, but when I am finished, I run lilo and it says that initrd.img isnt founf |
| 23:26.08 | pyrophreak | or found |
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| 23:26.56 | TinoW | pyrophreak: compare ls -l / with what is in /etc/lilo.conf, also look where the links go to |
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| 23:27.13 | abrotman | initrd=/initrd.img .. except that one broken kernel set .. i think |
| 23:27.31 | penguin | \q |
| 23:28.25 | SunDevil | pyrophreak: make sure it points to the right location |
| 23:28.36 | C5Hardtop | i have 4 gb of memory. when using System Monitor, its showing that i'm using 702 of 884. Why 884? shouldn't that be 3-4gb? |
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| 23:29.02 | abrotman | C5Hardtop: woody? |
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| 23:29.08 | C5Hardtop | sarge |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | C5Hardtop: uname -r |
| 23:29.34 | C5Hardtop | 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 23:29.39 | TinoW | C5Hardtop: build a kernel with 4G support |
| 23:29.42 | ari | does gaim 1.1.3-1 work for anyone on powerpc? |
| 23:29.53 | abrotman | C5Hardtop: you either need to go to 2.6 .. or recompile for 4GB support |
| 23:30.00 | abrotman | ari: #debianppc |
| 23:30.02 | streuner | ari: BTS would tell you |
| 23:30.12 | ari | lol |
| 23:30.14 | ari | thanks guys |
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| 23:30.22 | C5Hardtop | hmm, how do i go to 2.6? that should be enough for now |
| 23:30.35 | C5Hardtop | oh, nevermind |
| 23:30.37 | abrotman | C5Hardtop: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one for you |
| 23:30.44 | abrotman | nevermind ? |
| 23:30.57 | C5Hardtop | i thought you mean i could set it up to use 2.6gb of ram |
| 23:31.06 | C5Hardtop | but later i noted that your talking kernel versions |
| 23:31.12 | abrotman | yes .. i am |
| 23:31.14 | shaggs | AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE THIS |
| 23:31.17 | shaggs | :( |
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| 23:31.40 | C5Hardtop | thanks for the help |
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| 23:31.53 | streuner | shaggs: you forgot the subject, our crystal-things are in low-stat |
| 23:32.16 | shaggs | apt-get isn't getting anything i need for installing the nvidia drivers |
| 23:32.16 | bazan | whats happen shaggs |
| 23:32.20 | shaggs | i ran this: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
| 23:32.24 | shaggs | and it couldnt find it |
| 23:32.30 | abrotman | !nvidia one liner |
| 23:32.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick sid/sarge mix> |
| 23:32.43 | smcavoy | is there away to force an immediate reboot? I've got a remote system hung because of a FS problem, their stuck in status D |
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| 23:32.58 | C5Hardtop | reset switch :) |
| 23:32.59 | abrotman | smcavoy: # reboot ? |
| 23:33.07 | darxeth | doesnt xchat have the ability to connect to more than 1 server at a time? |
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| 23:33.21 | abrotman | darxeth: yes .. #xchat |
| 23:33.22 | JoshH | darxeth: yes, it does have that ability |
| 23:33.29 | quitte | TinoW dpkg-scanpackages |
| 23:33.29 | streuner | darxeth: yes |
| 23:33.30 | calljair | how can I go back to see what the people wrote to me on the X chat? |
| 23:33.33 | smcavoy | abrotman: unfortunately the processes will not respond to kill -9 because they are stuck in status D |
| 23:33.38 | JoshH | smcavoy: scroll up |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | calljair: /lastlog calljair |
| 23:33.44 | JoshH | err calljair |
| 23:33.45 | nudlaug | what is the pop3/imap4 mailserver to go for?? |
| 23:33.52 | abrotman | smcavoy: reboot should kill them |
| 23:33.53 | calljair | thank you guys |
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| 23:34.04 | abrotman | nudlaug: in english ? |
| 23:34.13 | shaggs | why can't apt-get find "module-assist" |
| 23:34.20 | calljair | err calljair |
| 23:34.22 | smcavoy | abrotman: not if their stuck in status D, awaiting a response from the disk. I've tried it already |
| 23:34.26 | abrotman | !info module-assist sarge |
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| 23:34.34 | shaggs | er "module-assistant" |
| 23:34.34 | abrotman | !info module-assist sid |
| 23:34.34 | TinoW | quitte: No manual entry for dpkg-scanpackages |
| 23:34.38 | abrotman | !info module-assistant sid |
| 23:34.41 | abrotman | !info module-assistant sarge |
| 23:34.44 | dpkg | module-assistant: (tool to make module package creation easier), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.7.3 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 23:34.46 | dpkg | module-assistant: (tool to make module package creation easier), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.7.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 23:34.47 | smcavoy | JoshH: you mean press the keyboard button scroll up? it's a remote system |
| 23:34.52 | quitte | TinoW then you dont have it installed |
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| 23:34.57 | nudlaug | I have debian sarge and I want to setup my own mail server. Is there any mailserver software that you recommend? |
| 23:34.58 | JoshH | xchat on a remote system? ouch. |
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| 23:35.11 | calljair | abrotman, but I know that people wrote to me a very important command but then the X chat continue moving and I missed I was helping one of the secretaries. |
| 23:35.16 | JoshH | nudlaug: postfix for smtp, courier for imap |
| 23:35.31 | JoshH | calljair: was the secretary hot? |
| 23:35.34 | abrotman | calljair: /lastlog calljair |
| 23:35.36 | nudlaug | does courier pop as well? |
| 23:35.41 | quitte | TinoW: dpkg-dev |
| 23:35.50 | abrotman | calljair: but if your scrollback isn't large enough .. you'll have to ask someone else to get it |
| 23:35.51 | nudlaug | why postfix not exim4 like default?? |
| 23:35.56 | abrotman | nudlaug: yes |
| 23:36.06 | JoshH | cause exim4 sucks |
| 23:36.06 | Zvpun | how can I see the inital messages (the ones I see during boot) after the system booted? dmesg prints only some of them, what about the results of the start scripts, is there a central logfile? |
| 23:36.13 | calljair | ohhh |
| 23:36.13 | abrotman | nudlaug: what is your primary language ? |
| 23:36.14 | calljair | ok |
| 23:36.21 | nudlaug | is there ssl tsl for postfix and courier |
| 23:36.25 | nudlaug | german |
| 23:36.26 | calljair | lastlog |
| 23:36.28 | abrotman | !german |
| 23:36.29 | dpkg | somebody said german was #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 23:36.52 | nudlaug | austrian |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | Zvpun: check /var/log |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | nudlaug: german or austrian ? |
| 23:37.13 | JoshH | oh, austrian. how about another shrimp on the barbie, eh mate? |
| 23:37.15 | JoshH | :P |
| 23:37.23 | JoshH | i need to watch dumb and dumber again |
| 23:37.24 | nudlaug | abrotman: why, do you understand what my name means? |
| 23:37.33 | nudlaug | it is basically the same! |
| 23:37.36 | abrotman | nudlaug: no .. but your english is hard to understand :) |
| 23:37.58 | streuner | !irritate abrotman |
| 23:37.59 | jagerman | buu: Try this: perl -e 'print "\0" x 8' >foo.iso; cat your_file.iso >>foo.iso |
| 23:38.01 | dpkg | abrotman: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 23:38.10 | abrotman | !eat streuner |
| 23:38.20 | nudlaug | what is hard to understand about what I am asking? |
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| 23:38.46 | abrotman | nudlaug: i do believe postfix and courier have tls packages ... |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | nudlaug: apt-cache search <search term> |
| 23:38.54 | shaggs | ok, i figured it out, apparenetly in my sources list, i needed to add the word "unstable" to one of the sources |
| 23:38.57 | abrotman | !tell nudlaug about search |
| 23:38.59 | shaggs | bleh bleh bleh |
| 23:39.11 | abrotman | shaggs: not for module-assistant |
| 23:39.12 | nudlaug | don't, I know |
| 23:39.18 | streuner | nudlaug: apt-cache search postfix tls |
| 23:39.30 | disc-q | does somebody know a shell theme for superkaramba? |
| 23:39.36 | nudlaug | I am on it, I was before and I think to remember they both do |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | disc-q: #debian-kde |
| 23:39.55 | calljair | abrotman, I am trying to do this: 1- I have a folder or directory coll "foo" 2- inside "foo" I have 300 txt files 3- I want to compress that folder and everything inside of it using the shell or terminal with zip command |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | calljair: tar -zfc dir/ blah.tar.gz |
| 23:40.29 | abrotman | i think .. man tar |
| 23:40.36 | disc-q | abrotman: thx |
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| 23:41.04 | cafuego | calljair: zip -r foo.zip foo |
| 23:41.20 | calljair | cafuego, let me check that |
| 23:41.21 | shaggs | hrm.... |
| 23:41.25 | shaggs | help needed |
| 23:41.28 | nudlaug | tnx bye |
| 23:41.29 | cafuego | calljair: or tar cfj foo.tar.bz2 foo |
| 23:41.38 | cafuego | calljair: There's no need to check. it works. |
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| 23:41.43 | shaggs | module-assistant cannot find the kernel headers |
| 23:41.46 | calljair | cafuego, remember I want to make the file "zip" |
| 23:41.54 | abrotman | cafuego: not .tar.gz at the end? |
| 23:41.54 | calljair | cafuego, ok |
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| 23:41.57 | calljair | let see |
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| 23:42.20 | abrotman | cafuego: you're right ... |
| 23:42.21 | cafuego | calljair: I don't see how that matters. bzip2 is betetr compression and pretty much everything supports it. |
| 23:42.26 | quitte | shaggs then install them. uname -r tells you the kernel apt-cache search kernel headers lists a few packages |
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| 23:43.18 | cafuego | Ack. 0.24 seconds |
| 23:43.21 | yalu | I have a small problem... not exactly 100 % on topic but nevertheless... I have hardware trouble with my router (debian, pentium 1) so I moved the HD's to a very similar one (also has a pci nic, and a 3com etherlink 3 (isa) just like the other one. however this card seems unable to auto-negotiate link speed etc with a switch or adsl modem |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | cafuego: map of what? |
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| 23:43.37 | quitte | shaggs: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 23:43.38 | cafuego | abrotman: www.cafuego.net (bottom right) |
| 23:43.45 | jagerman | buu? |
| 23:43.45 | drasko | how to check if apache has permitions to write in some directory and/or how to change this permissions |
| 23:44.08 | calljair | cafuego, remmenber this is a file for people not to computer literate and they are using Wincrap on their offices. |
| 23:44.08 | cafuego | drasko: if it's www-data:www-data apache can write to it. |
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| 23:44.12 | abrotman | cafuego: i was going to recommend your sdms on slashdot today :) |
| 23:44.31 | calljair | cafuego, and the command did not work it create the folder zip but nothing is inside of it |
| 23:44.37 | calljair | cafuego, it is empty |
| 23:44.38 | cafuego | abrotman: That needs work (quite a lot of work). |
| 23:44.50 | cafuego | calljair: zip -r foo.zip foo/* |
| 23:44.53 | Frem | A program just dumped me in 640x480 res mode, complete with scrolling screen. It is possible to change it back without logging out? |
| 23:45.00 | abrotman | cafuego: i know . i realized you hadn't worked on it since 2002 |
| 23:45.03 | calljair | cafuego, I did this zip -r foo.zip foo |
| 23:45.14 | jetscreamer | nice burnage on the power cafuego |
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| 23:45.27 | abrotman | cafuego: nice image |
| 23:45.29 | cafuego | abrotman: Well. I've been working on it constantly... |
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| 23:45.35 | cafuego | abrotman: xplanet |
| 23:45.37 | drasko | cafuego, how do you mean? Do www-data have to be owner? Is it ok to put for the directory chmod 777? |
| 23:45.39 | cafuego | jetscreamer: eh? |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | cafuego: oh .. cute cat .. bad story |
| 23:45.46 | cafuego | drasko: Yes, you can. |
| 23:45.50 | calljair | cafuego, it suppouse to be: zip -r foo.zip* |
| 23:45.54 | calljair | right |
| 23:46.00 | jetscreamer | cafuego, the pic of the connector from the ps in your box |
| 23:46.00 | cafuego | calljair: No. |
| 23:46.03 | cafuego | calljair: zip -r foo.zip foo/* |
| 23:46.10 | jetscreamer | the burned one |
| 23:46.14 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Ah yes. My poor AthlonXP :-( |
| 23:46.24 | calljair | cafuego, ok let see. |
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| 23:46.27 | cafuego | /needs a new/ |
| 23:46.39 | calljair | cafuego, why the / |
| 23:46.42 | calljair | "/" |
| 23:47.02 | Ungy | I have a file -rwx------ and I want the file to be -rw-r--r-- what do I do? |
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| 23:47.05 | drasko | cafuego, puting a ww-data for owner would be allright? |
| 23:47.18 | BucWheat | cafuego what proc. do you have ? |
| 23:47.20 | cafuego | drasko: No, www-data |
| 23:47.31 | jagerman | chmod 644 filename |
| 23:47.35 | jagerman | Ungy, that was for you |
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| 23:47.39 | Ungy | thanks |
| 23:47.47 | cafuego | BucWheat: Pretty much everything except a P4, G4 and G5. |
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| 23:47.51 | abrotman | Ungy: man chmod |
| 23:47.57 | drasko | cafuego, yes,sorry :)... Thanks! |
| 23:47.58 | jagerman | Ungy: With chmod and numeric modes, the current permissions don't matter |
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| 23:48.08 | cafuego | BucWheat: Or did you mean a specific machine? |
| 23:48.26 | BucWheat | cafuego nice. i just bought MSI KM4M-V and Sempron 2200+ for my data acquisition box |
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| 23:48.42 | BucWheat | cafuego yea the one you need a mobo for |
| 23:48.47 | Ungy | nice thanks |
| 23:48.56 | cafuego | BucWheat: Athlon XP 2400+ |
| 23:48.57 | Ungy | dir/* works well |
| 23:49.12 | duress | is anyone using postfix on woody? |
| 23:49.13 | cafuego | BucWheat: In the eman time I'm using the Athlon64 2800+ as desktop machine. |
| 23:49.16 | BucWheat | cafuego try the MSI KM4M-V has on-board SATA RAID 0/1 |
| 23:49.24 | duress | my /usr/bin/newaliases is a dead link ;/ |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | duress: that's not a valid question |
| 23:49.27 | Ungy | duress http://workaround.org |
| 23:49.29 | cafuego | BucWheat: I only use Gigabyte mainboards. |
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| 23:49.42 | BucWheat | cafuego ahh nice. i have p4 3GHz w/ 1gb ddr as my desktop |
| 23:49.48 | BucWheat | cafuego winxp though heh |
| 23:49.51 | cafuego | BucWheat: And on-chip raid is shit. (like REALLY shit) |
| 23:49.57 | duress | yeah thats the site im using ungy |
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| 23:50.18 | duress | but the problem i have is that i cant run /usr/bin/newaliases |
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| 23:50.21 | BucWheat | cafuego i'm only using this for mirroring so it should be fine |
| 23:50.24 | Ungy | duress hooked on phponics worked for me |
| 23:50.30 | duress | its a dead link |
| 23:50.31 | BucWheat | cafuego on hard core servers i use 3Ware raid cards |
| 23:50.44 | Ungy | duress you try #postfix? |
| 23:50.45 | cafuego | BucWheat: When I use raid and can't afford REAl raid, I use kernel-mode raid, not so proprietary driver that may or may not stop working at a moment's notice. |
| 23:50.51 | duress | heh |
| 23:51.01 | duress | well i figure its a debian woody issue |
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| 23:51.08 | duress | but sure ill try postfix |
| 23:51.09 | abrotman | duress: are you using unofficial packages ? |
| 23:51.11 | Ungy | duress ChrisH is in their a lot |
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| 23:51.13 | duress | no |
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| 23:51.19 | calljair | cafuego, continue creating the foo.zip but it do not include the .txt files |
| 23:51.27 | calljair | cafuego, something is happening |
| 23:51.28 | BucWheat | cafuego is kernel-mode raid what you get when you create a software raid via debian-installer? |
| 23:51.31 | abrotman | duress: how does it fail? |
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| 23:51.37 | cafuego | duress: Why don't you tell us what the problem is, rather then whether or not we use postfix? |
| 23:51.40 | arius | I'm having trouble with alsa...if I try and access a webpage while playing music (with either xmms or rhythmbox) my system crashes. |
| 23:51.41 | duress | its a dead link |
| 23:51.44 | cafuego | BucWheat: Indeed. |
| 23:51.53 | duress | im trying to |
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| 23:51.59 | abrotman | cafuego: newaliases dies |
| 23:52.03 | hob | How would I change the resolution of |
| 23:52.07 | BucWheat | cafuego how is the performance ? i've never used software raid |
| 23:52.09 | abrotman | although .. i thikn he's supposed to be using newaliases.postfix |
| 23:52.22 | rixth | hob: resolution of what? |
| 23:52.22 | muhoo_ | what's the x magick to set up auth for a :1 x server? |
| 23:52.31 | calljair | anyone know the zip command tutorial? |
| 23:52.35 | abrotman | man zip |
| 23:52.41 | duress | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Feb 2 06:57 /usr/bin/newaliases -> ../sbin/sendmail |
| 23:52.43 | cafuego | BucWheat: it's fine, mirroring performance as measured through hdparm is slightly *higher* than when using the same drives stand-alone. |
| 23:52.48 | muhoo_ | i set DISPLAY=:1.0. but i don't have (or want) any xdm on the second server |
| 23:52.50 | abrotman | duress: that's not right :) |
| 23:52.50 | hob | oops...How do I change the resolution of bash? |
| 23:52.52 | calljair | abrotman, that mans I can not understand them |
| 23:52.57 | duress | yeah |
| 23:53.00 | cafuego | calljair: man zip; zip --help |
| 23:53.01 | duress | well how do i fix it |
| 23:53.02 | quitte | arius only while accessing webpages? not when using the net in general? |
| 23:53.02 | duress | heh |
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| 23:53.04 | muhoo_ | so everything i lauch, comes back as no auth. |
| 23:53.10 | abrotman | calljair: well .. that's the best you're probably gonna get .. it's not a complex command |
| 23:53.11 | BucWheat | cafuego so would you say on-board raid 1 is about same performance as software raid 1 ? |
| 23:53.15 | duress | where should the softlink point to |
| 23:53.19 | muhoo_ | launch even |
| 23:53.25 | calljair | cafuego, but you told me that your options will just work. |
| 23:53.34 | calljair | ok |
| 23:53.34 | drasko | cafuego, can I do chown apache <directory>? |
| 23:53.35 | arius | quitte: I'm having trouble nailing down exactly where the problem is |
| 23:53.38 | calljair | thank you |
| 23:53.41 | calljair | I am leaving |
| 23:53.42 | rixth | Hob: Edit -> Current Profile |
| 23:53.49 | calljair | I will browse in google |
| 23:53.49 | rixth | (In Bash) it should be in there |
| 23:53.51 | TheZanke | how do i config proftpd as to not allow usersto leave their home directory? |
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| 23:53.58 | cafuego | duress: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 4 2003 /usr/bin/newaliases -> ../sbin/sendmail |
| 23:54.04 | hob | sweet. cheers |
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| 23:54.08 | quitte | arius i'D think a ressource conflict between soundcard and net card. irq sharing or something like that |
| 23:54.10 | arius | quitte: evolution didn't cause the crash, atleast not when I ran it to test it |
| 23:54.14 | abrotman | duress: what about postalias ? |
| 23:54.16 | TheZanke | well their home folder and the folders inside it |
| 23:54.20 | C5Hardtop | if i want to install firefox in english, is this the right package:mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb |
| 23:54.29 | quitte | arius cat /proc/interrupts |
| 23:54.39 | duress | cafuego i dont have /sbin/sendmail on my system |
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| 23:54.48 | abrotman | duress: the list of files shows that newaliases shouldn't point anywhere |
| 23:54.52 | duress | abortman yeah i have that file |
| 23:54.58 | cafuego | duress: Indeed. But that's NOT what that link points to, is it? |
| 23:55.03 | graytron | C5Hardtop: brittish english or us english? |
| 23:55.04 | simonrvn | try /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 23:55.09 | C5Hardtop | us english |
| 23:55.11 | duress | it is what the link points to |
| 23:55.17 | cafuego | duress: No, it is not. |
| 23:55.23 | Ungy | TheZanke I believe its in /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 23:55.27 | graytron | C5Hardtop: i think it is us english by default |
| 23:55.27 | C5Hardtop | i guess i picked the wrong one |
| 23:55.29 | BrianAnthony | Does anyone know of a COBOL editor with a gui? |
| 23:55.30 | cafuego | duress: /usr/bin/../sbin/sendmail = /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 23:55.36 | abrotman | duress: which commend are you running ? |
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| 23:55.40 | abrotman | command |
| 23:55.43 | duress | ls -la |
| 23:55.50 | cafuego | simonrvn: Nah, he's being blind. |
| 23:55.50 | Ryushin | Is there a way to specify a specific package in the sources.list from ftp.debian.org? I run debian sarge and I want to get clamav from sid. I've been playing with trying to create the appropriate line with out much success. I could use the prefrences file and pull down the entire sid and then specifiy what I need in the prefrences. Just rather use sources.list. |
| 23:55.52 | C5Hardtop | but there are so many to choose from when doing apt-cache search firefox that i'm confused |
| 23:55.56 | arius | quitte: interesting, I have two cards, the one that is being used is sharing with acpi, the other with nvidia |
| 23:56.06 | simonrvn | cafuego: yah, noticed just now |
| 23:56.09 | abrotman | !tell Ryushin about pinning |
| 23:56.14 | PeQua | Hello, i was woundering, is it possible to block an command for a user? for exemple: lot's users on my machine are running a BNC. but i want to deny one user the access of running a BNC. Is that possible? |
| 23:56.18 | duress | ha |
| 23:56.20 | abrotman | duress: i mean the newalias command |
| 23:56.29 | duress | i know what to do |
| 23:56.30 | cafuego | duress: Anyway, to reload the aloases db run: 'postalias hash:/etc/aliases' |
| 23:56.45 | simonrvn | cafuego: well, built the cli, now building the cgi... |
| 23:56.52 | cafuego | simonrvn: *whee* <heh> |
| 23:56.58 | quitte | arius does the browser crash your box if you're browsing the filesystem with it,too? |
| 23:56.59 | cafuego | simonrvn: Only 18 hours to go... |
| 23:56.59 | duress | i can just point the softlink to /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 23:57.01 | duress | :P |
| 23:57.03 | duress | thanks |
| 23:57.12 | duress | was killing myself |
| 23:57.15 | Ryushin | I know how to pin. I'm just wondering if I can do it through the sources.list. |
| 23:57.24 | abrotman | cafuego: does what he is saying sound right? |
| 23:57.29 | simonrvn | Ryushin: no. man apt_preferences |
| 23:57.30 | arius | quitte: not sure... afraid to try |
| 23:57.32 | cafuego | duress: A link to ../sbin/sendmail in /usr/bin *already* points there. |
| 23:57.37 | duress | oh |
| 23:57.38 | duress | doh |
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| 23:57.55 | cafuego | duress: You're after my postalias command. |
| 23:58.03 | duress | ls -la /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 23:58.03 | duress | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Feb 2 06:57 /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim |
| 23:58.04 | quitte | arius it will give you information you need. |
| 23:58.05 | duress | heh |
| 23:58.10 | cafuego | !lart duress |
| 23:58.11 | quitte | arius: sync before you try |
| 23:58.15 | Zvpun | PeQua: how should that work? In the worst case this user would print the binary BNC on paper and type it in on your computer. Then he could run it. |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | cafuego: see .. i'm not crazy :) |
| 23:58.22 | arius | quitte: be right back... |
| 23:58.41 | streuner | quitte: ccd2iso is a very young project, but it exist |
| 23:58.41 | cafuego | abrotman: I don't feel i can make a definitive decision on that either way. |
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| 23:58.58 | jstevens | got a question w/ my kernels... in /boot I've got both a "initrd-2.6.8-2-686" and a "initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686" what's the difference? |
| 23:59.02 | quitte | streuner yes? |
| 23:59.10 | streuner | quitte: not in debian, i found something at mentors.debian.net |
| 23:59.11 | Ryushin | Pinning it is then. Just rather didn't have to download the entire unstable.pkg list. |
| 23:59.33 | streuner | what is 'mentors.debian.net'? |
| 23:59.50 | PeQua | Zvpun: well let us say that his knowledge isn't that good, he just knows "download - compile - start", is there then a solution? |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | a mysterious website devoted to someguy named mentors ? |
