| 00:00.00 | x0563511 | try desktop-base |
| 00:00.04 | trueno | Is there a way to find out why exim can't start? |
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| 00:00.18 | meebey | trueno: strace |
| 00:00.25 | x0563511 | bkw: this is the one you want |
| 00:00.29 | x0563511 | bkw: gnome-desktop-base |
| 00:00.34 | x0563511 | arg |
| 00:00.38 | x0563511 | make that: |
| 00:00.45 | x0563511 | gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 00:00.53 | unixn00b | besides wget, ftp, on a server what else i can use to download something. thx |
| 00:00.55 | x0563511 | and gnome and gdm |
| 00:00.57 | bkw | uhm, the latter one or both of them? |
| 00:00.58 | jetscreamer | that's not exactly what i am looking for, i'm looking to know what goes where and what do i do to it, not the module specific stuff before or after compile |
| 00:01.01 | meebey | trueno: check how the init.d script of exim starts exim and then use strace to start it in the same way, or check the log files |
| 00:01.09 | gypsyfox | Hi, I'm doing my first Debian install on a friend's system for him. I have Debian 30r4, all 7 CDs, but his system doesn't want to boot from CD so I need to make a boot disk for install. I'm using rwwrtwin on WinXP to make a boot disk, what disc/directory is the image file on that this boot disk maker program is looking for, please? |
| 00:01.16 | unixn00b | besides wget, ftp, on a server what else i can use to download something. thx |
| 00:01.26 | jetscreamer | !tell gypsyfox about d-i |
| 00:01.35 | x0563511 | bkw: so you want: "apt-get install gdm gnome-desktop-environment gnome" |
| 00:01.40 | jetscreamer | gypsyfox, get the boot-floppies |
| 00:01.43 | gypsyfox | jetscreamer thanks ;) |
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| 00:01.53 | unixn00b | besides wget, ftp, on a server what else i can use to download something. thx |
| 00:01.59 | gypsyfox | unixn00b gwget |
| 00:02.08 | x0563511 | lol someone is still connected to me |
| 00:02.14 | gypsyfox | unixn00b kbear |
| 00:02.16 | jetscreamer | gypsyfox, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 00:02.19 | x0563511 | just curious, whos rockin to rammstein? |
| 00:02.26 | gypsyfox | jetscreamer thx :) |
| 00:02.36 | jetscreamer | unixn00b, http is one eh |
| 00:02.42 | jetscreamer | gopher? |
| 00:02.48 | trueno | meebey: solved, somehow the owner of the mainlog was root instead of mail :-( |
| 00:03.00 | unixn00b | no i can't use ftp,wget, system admin turned them off |
| 00:03.10 | meebey | trueno: how did you find out? |
| 00:03.19 | x0563511 | unixn00b: why would the admin do that? |
| 00:03.19 | unixn00b | sow what else that is already on the system? |
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| 00:03.25 | jetscreamer | scp |
| 00:03.33 | unixn00b | for security ! |
| 00:03.38 | jetscreamer | unixn00b, scp |
| 00:03.47 | trueno | meebey: /var/log/exim/paniclog ;-) |
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| 00:03.56 | meebey | trueno: hehe :) |
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| 00:04.03 | unixn00b | thx jeyscreamer |
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| 00:04.05 | meebey | trueno: sound like panic mode like samba has |
| 00:04.10 | unixn00b | thx jetscreamer |
| 00:04.13 | jetscreamer | np |
| 00:04.25 | x0563511 | My rammstein listener: 80.x.x.x i bumped you to the 128k stream, i only have 2 clients total |
| 00:04.26 | gypsyfox | jetscreamer thanks again for your most excellent help. :-) |
| 00:04.31 | jetscreamer | np |
| 00:04.42 | jetscreamer | now i need a job doing it eh |
| 00:04.44 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 00:04.45 | chugga | what they hey, im streaming too at http://203.59.137.247:8000 :P |
| 00:04.46 | darklight | can anyone tell me how to edit my httpd.conf ? |
| 00:04.46 | gypsyfox | heh |
| 00:04.56 | trueno | Where do email written with mutt go once you "send" it if the MTA (exim) was not working? |
| 00:05.06 | x0563511 | darklight: man httpd.conf |
| 00:05.07 | abrotman | darklight: $EDITOR |
| 00:05.10 | trueno | meebey: maybe, don't know much about samba |
| 00:05.17 | x0563511 | darklight: will tell you what is what in it (it should anyways) |
| 00:05.31 | darklight | thanks.. |
| 00:05.31 | meebey | trueno: in samba you can define a special program which is started when samba "panics" :) |
| 00:05.40 | x0563511 | darklight: and you can open it in any text editor |
| 00:05.42 | gilles | How to set the debian-sys-maint password in mysql ? |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | the docs don't say? |
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| 00:05.59 | trueno | meebey: I see |
| 00:06.28 | x0563511 | Seriously though. Who at 80.x.x.x is on my stream? |
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| 00:07.40 | trueno | x0563511: Now me... |
| 00:08.10 | abrotman | x0563511: that's what you get for broadcasting in here :) |
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| 00:08.27 | x0563511 | lol |
| 00:08.41 | komozo | how do i configure postfix to pic mails from a primary mailserver and redistribute them in a local network |
| 00:08.43 | x0563511 | ? someone is on two streams at once lol |
| 00:08.51 | abrotman | komozo: fetchmail/procmail |
| 00:09.04 | x0563511 | 64k stream, your using Zinf |
| 00:09.17 | trueno | x0563511: yes |
| 00:09.18 | x0563511 | the 128k stream, your using "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050210 Firefox/1.0 (Debian package 1.0+dfsg.1-6)" |
| 00:09.23 | x0563511 | what exactly is that? |
| 00:09.25 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:09.29 | x0563511 | just your browser? |
| 00:09.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:09.37 | chugga | wow, some debian user .. |
| 00:09.51 | x0563511 | buffering OK? |
| 00:09.53 | chugga | what a coincidence :P |
| 00:10.11 | x0563511 | chugga: lol |
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| 00:10.28 | x0563511 | now i just need something really good to broadcast |
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| 00:10.38 | x0563511 | Rammstein is OK, but not for most. |
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| 00:10.47 | trueno | x0563511: Rammstein's good enough... |
| 00:10.49 | x0563511 | And i doubt anyone cares about Baldur's Gate music |
| 00:10.50 | chugga | x0563511, i was thinking today, since my upstream bandwidth is so limited .. maybe i could make use of my isp as a relay server - they give me about 30mb space which is good for about 5 songs at a time .. not sure how to implement it though. |
| 00:11.19 | trueno | x0563511: What are you using to broadcast? |
| 00:11.22 | chugga | i'd have to use ftp/http entirely :) |
| 00:11.26 | trueno | x0563511: sw, I mean |
| 00:11.27 | meebey | this is a mp3 stream trading channel? :) I thought it's about eeerr, debian? |
| 00:11.35 | x0563511 | icecast2 and im sourcing over my LAN from ices2 |
| 00:11.45 | simonrvn | no, it's about debian ;p |
| 00:11.54 | x0563511 | hey, im streaming FROM a debian system :p |
| 00:11.59 | chugga | me too! |
| 00:12.00 | x0563511 | with software from the debian ftp |
| 00:12.18 | trueno | x0563511: is it tough to set up? |
| 00:12.21 | meebey | oh ok, so its on-topic ;) |
| 00:12.21 | x0563511 | trueno: one question... why are you streaming from me twice? |
| 00:12.30 | x0563511 | trueno: its a little bit of a pain. |
| 00:12.36 | trueno | x0563511: just once |
| 00:12.39 | x0563511 | trueno: but the documentation is good. |
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| 00:13.00 | x0563511 | http:// 24.52.128.65:8000/status.xsl |
| 00:13.00 | chugga | shoutcast is a cinch to set up.. takes minutes literally. |
| 00:13.06 | x0563511 | oops |
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| 00:13.09 | x0563511 | http:// 24.52.128.65:8000/status.xsl |
| 00:13.19 | x0563511 | the listen links are broken... |
| 00:13.29 | x0563511 | but your on the 64k and the 128k rammstein streams |
| 00:13.30 | meebey | x0563511: your URL also |
| 00:14.06 | jetscreamer | when i compile a third party module for a running kernel, it goes in /usr/src/modules/<moduledir> or anywhere, and is there something i need to specify to tell the makefile where the headers are? or just untar the module anywhere and type make modules or something |
| 00:14.08 | x0563511 | meebey: yea, its me. Icecast2 has a built in http server for status listing |
| 00:14.27 | trueno | Where do email written with mutt go once you "send" it if the MTA (exim) was not working? |
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| 00:14.41 | trueno | Does it all get lost? |
| 00:14.56 | jetscreamer | no it should be there somewhere |
| 00:14.58 | vulture | trueno: in my recent experience it kicks you back to the email area, unsent |
| 00:15.08 | vulture | as in, so you can still edit/save/whatever the email |
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| 00:15.15 | darklight | what does "invalid ELF header" mean? |
| 00:15.26 | jetscreamer | elf binaries kinda action |
| 00:15.31 | trueno | vulture: In the fcc? Where? |
| 00:15.32 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 00:16.02 | vulture | (for some reason my exim mainlog had the wrong perms, so /usr/sbin/sendmail was borking, and mutt would display the error then throw me back to the area where you can edit the email (headers, attachments, etc)..) |
| 00:16.12 | meebey | darklight: the elf header is invalid probably |
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| 00:16.31 | simonrvn | not enough lubricant |
| 00:16.40 | darklight | meebey: any ideas on how to fix it?im a total noob.. |
| 00:16.41 | jetscreamer | # Executable file formats CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=m CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m |
| 00:16.52 | paulswm | jetscreamer: I *think* maybe ln -s /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/your-kernel-version/source |
| 00:17.04 | x0563511 | trueno: thanks for testing it out. It will probably work perfect on my LAN side |
| 00:17.08 | trueno | vulture: for me it did as it was working, then the email has disappeard |
| 00:17.12 | jetscreamer | k thankee |
| 00:17.12 | meebey | darklight: binaries and libraries are in elf format, that the header of that file is invalid for some reason, could be corrupted |
| 00:17.17 | trueno | x0563511: np :-) |
| 00:17.19 | meebey | darklight: or wrong architecture or so |
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| 00:17.48 | meebey | simonrvn: or the wrong one |
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| 00:18.02 | xerophyte | i am trying to compile kernel 2.6.10+ ac12 but its fails with error Activating swap partitions: swapon: /dev/hda2 No Such device or address [FAILED].. but hda has my root and boot partition, but my old kernel with 2.6.10 boots fine ..does anybody know what am i misisn on the new kernel ? |
| 00:18.15 | simonrvn | no, it's not enough lubricant. not enough, and the kernel screeches |
| 00:18.22 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 00:18.33 | x0563511 | xerophyte: hmm! |
| 00:18.41 | x0563511 | xerophyte: thats really strange |
| 00:18.41 | paulswm | !beer simonrvn |
| 00:18.51 | simonrvn | oh yummay |
| 00:18.58 | simonrvn | thanks! |
| 00:19.06 | paulswm | :D |
| 00:19.15 | x0563511 | xerophyte: maybe that version doesn't have swapfile support? Its in the config options somewhere (filesystems i think). |
| 00:19.18 | x0563511 | xerophyte: doublecheck |
| 00:19.28 | meebey | simonrvn: hehe |
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| 00:20.07 | jetscreamer | http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3439&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0&POSTNUKESID=a73959727ebd194be673a15a8f2d5890 |
| 00:20.07 | vijay | i did a major upgrade of my base distro Woody, after that a game doesn't work |
| 00:20.23 | jetscreamer | a game eh |
| 00:20.24 | vijay | It is called Xsokoban |
| 00:20.30 | jetscreamer | i never playe... aha |
| 00:20.34 | vijay | It is very intelligent and challenging |
| 00:20.44 | vijay | It is a puzzle |
| 00:20.48 | vijay | please assist |
| 00:21.02 | vijay | I tried to install and uninstall it, still didn't help |
| 00:21.09 | vijay | the command for it is xsok |
| 00:21.18 | jetscreamer | did you look at bugs.debian.org? |
| 00:21.29 | vijay | all files/binaries are present with good permissions |
| 00:21.37 | vijay | it worked very well before the upgrade |
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| 00:22.30 | darklight | how do i rename a file? what exactly will i type? |
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| 00:22.38 | simonrvn | man mv |
| 00:22.39 | bbrazil | mv oldname newname |
| 00:22.46 | darklight | thanx.. |
| 00:23.11 | vijay | I just checked |
| 00:23.16 | vijay | there are just two minor bugs |
| 00:23.20 | vijay | Nothing severe |
| 00:23.22 | jetscreamer | vijay, according to this it's ksokoban only |
| 00:23.27 | paulswm | !tell vijay about enter |
| 00:23.42 | jetscreamer | vijay, in woody sarge and sid |
| 00:23.53 | bbrazil | jetscreamer: there's another 'xsok' package |
| 00:23.58 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:24.09 | bbrazil | work fine for me on sarge |
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| 00:25.16 | jetscreamer | vijay, so does the ksokoban function? |
| 00:25.20 | jetscreamer | !find sok |
| 00:25.21 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'sok' (2 shown): ksokoban ;; xsok. |
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| 00:26.22 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: help us! |
| 00:26.32 | vijay | I did !find xsok and it says even not found |
| 00:26.41 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: What do you need? |
| 00:26.47 | vijay | I did whereis xsok |
| 00:26.52 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: we need a scarynetworkguy :) |
| 00:27.02 | vijay | the binary is in /usr/games/ |
| 00:27.10 | jetscreamer | !info xsok |
| 00:27.16 | dpkg | xsok: (generic Sokoban game for X11), section games, is optional. Version: 1.02-14 (sid), Packaged size: 62 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 00:27.17 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: What do you need a scarynetworkguy to do? |
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| 00:27.29 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: be generally scary |
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| 00:27.35 | gordonh | how do I exclude the dirs "web" and "_vti" with tar? |
| 00:27.42 | vijay | did that, event not found |
| 00:27.46 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Booh!!! |
| 00:27.47 | jetscreamer | got microsoft? |
| 00:27.53 | vijay | nope |
| 00:27.58 | abrotman | !boo |
| 00:28.01 | vijay | just Debian |
| 00:28.03 | darklight | how do i change my mod_env.so ? i cant seem to load my apache because of this.. |
| 00:28.03 | jetscreamer | no not you, gordonh |
| 00:28.11 | bbrazil | gordonh: man tar |
| 00:28.46 | jetscreamer | vijay, how about find -name xsok in console |
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| 00:29.19 | jetscreamer | vijay, have you tried starting it from a terminal? |
| 00:29.24 | vijay | -name command not found |
| 00:29.35 | vijay | yes, it says command not found |
| 00:29.54 | Maliuta | gordonh: use the --exclude or -X options ... read the man page to find out about them |
| 00:30.03 | paulswm | abrotman: you are cold, man, scaring dpkg like that |
| 00:30.07 | vijay | I think I know what the problem is |
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| 00:30.20 | vijay | I tried getting Ksokoban |
| 00:30.24 | trueno | Bye! |
| 00:30.25 | vijay | There is an install error |
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| 00:30.34 | vijay | it depends on exim |
| 00:30.35 | schuler | tar - option --exclude=<file> |
| 00:30.40 | abrotman | paulswm: and he died too |
| 00:30.49 | vijay | there is an exim install error that I am unable to correct on my system |
| 00:30.52 | paulswm | you heartless bastard |
| 00:30.57 | paulswm | :> |
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| 00:32.01 | schuler | gordonh: tar - option --exclude=<file> |
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| 00:32.20 | darklight | how do i change my mod_env.so ? i cant seem to load my apache because of this.. |
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| 00:33.33 | vijay | exim install error, please assist |
| 00:33.38 | Maliuta | darklight: do you need the functionality of that module? |
| 00:33.46 | ferris | how can i change the permisions on my usb pen drive... i cannot change them through the properties |
| 00:33.49 | darklight | yeah... |
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| 00:34.09 | darklight | it loads my apache...or can i just take it out? |
| 00:34.24 | ferris | i need to change the permissions through the command line |
| 00:34.27 | Maliuta | darklight: you can tell apache not to load it |
| 00:34.46 | schuler | ferris: man chmod |
| 00:34.46 | darklight | so can i edit httpd.conf? |
| 00:34.47 | Maliuta | darklight: what is the error apache is producing anyway? |
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| 00:34.53 | Assassinater | hey |
| 00:34.55 | Jacobo221 | is there any way to know *who* is using an X display? |
| 00:35.01 | Assassinater | where are the apache logs stored? |
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| 00:35.13 | Maliuta | darklight: sure |
| 00:35.15 | darklight | it says ELF error |
| 00:35.25 | schuler | Assassinater: /var/log/apache |
| 00:35.36 | darklight | what command will i type to edit httpd.conf? |
| 00:35.39 | Maliuta | assassinater: /var/log/apache ... did you even look in /var/log? |
| 00:35.51 | darklight | <====noob |
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| 00:36.17 | Maliuta | darklight: use any editor you want, I use vim ... and I am not giving vi tutorials over irc |
| 00:36.38 | Maliuta | darklight: show me the actual line |
| 00:36.44 | Maliuta | from the log file |
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| 00:36.55 | darklight | im suing a diff comp... |
| 00:36.59 | darklight | im using a diff comp... |
| 00:37.04 | schuler | darklight: vi httpd.conf # but use vimtutor before |
| 00:37.25 | Maliuta | that is assuming your vi is vim and not something like nvi |
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| 00:37.39 | simonrvn | !noob |
| 00:37.39 | dpkg | well, noob is < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 00:37.44 | darklight | it is vim... |
| 00:37.46 | simonrvn | what? |
| 00:37.52 | simonrvn | wrong factoid... |
| 00:37.56 | simonrvn | @noob |
| 00:37.58 | ravenbird | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:38.10 | simonrvn | *that's* the one |
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| 00:38.35 | simonrvn | !no noob is <reply>Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:38.35 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 00:38.36 | Assassinater | hey someone help me |
| 00:38.42 | Assassinater | in apache error log says |
| 00:38.43 | Assassinater | [Sat Feb 19 16:31:11 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/images/interface_10.gif |
| 00:38.44 | FieldySnuts | @ops MusTi is onjoin msg spamming |
| 00:38.46 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MusTi is onjoin msg spamming |
| 00:38.48 | simonrvn | Assassinater: hey ask your question |
| 00:38.55 | FieldySnuts | god, this place is becoming like frigging dalnet lately with all the spammers |
| 00:38.59 | gilles | there's no debian package for Nvu :( |
| 00:39.25 | Maliuta | Assassinater: so the file is not there ... create it or install the package that provides that file |
| 00:39.30 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: spammer for you (onjoin via msg, #debian and #rednat), MusTi |
| 00:39.32 | Assassinater | yea i know |
| 00:39.38 | Assassinater | but in index.htm |
| 00:39.48 | FieldySnuts | redhat |
| 00:39.55 | Assassinater | how do i get it to route it or w/e to /var/www/images |
| 00:40.19 | simonrvn | edit the vhost DocumentRoot... |
| 00:40.20 | FieldySnuts | w/e? |
| 00:40.35 | schuler | Assassinater: man mv |
| 00:40.39 | Assassinater | ? |
| 00:40.43 | simonrvn | shrugs even |
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| 00:41.29 | Assassinater | how do i edit vhost document root |
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| 00:41.52 | schuler | Assassinater: you must change the <img src="..."> tag in the html file and move the image to the appüropriate place |
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| 00:42.12 | Assassinater | i did |
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| 00:42.39 | Assassinater | BACKGROUND="images/interface_11.gif |
| 00:42.55 | Assassinater | and images folder is in same folder as index.htm |
| 00:43.07 | try_catch_this_ | dam the free porn spam bots are at it again |
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| 00:44.02 | MattF | I have my spam filter "popfile" installed and it automatically attempts to start at boot, but fails. Where is it likely to be starting from? |
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| 00:46.16 | drp | what's the equivalent to version in debian |
| 00:46.22 | drp | in the terminal |
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| 00:46.50 | MattF | drp, uname? |
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| 00:47.06 | Assassinater | hmm |
| 00:47.10 | Assassinater | apt-get install unrar |
| 00:47.15 | drp | MattF, no that's no tit |
| 00:47.15 | norgm | good evening |
| 00:47.16 | Assassinater | now what? |
| 00:47.26 | norgm | 1. on join i got: <MusTi> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 00:47.27 | Assassinater | i did unrar filename.rar in term |
| 00:47.29 | drp | *not it ... lol |
| 00:47.30 | Assassinater | says failed |
| 00:48.06 | norgm | 2. whats a realy good, (half)modern, stable notebook to run debian on? |
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| 00:49.00 | dvs | norgm: www.linux-laptop.net |
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| 00:50.10 | norgm | everything i need is there? |
| 00:50.44 | dvs | norgm: I'd look up the laptops available in your area and pick the best one according to that website |
| 00:51.02 | norgm | stability of the case etc is most important.. do i get infos about this too ther? |
| 00:51.17 | norgm | got an ibm thinkpad now - which is VERY stable |
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| 00:52.12 | drp | anybody know of a good vid editor (mostly for joining vids) ... debian package preferably |
| 00:52.27 | Flimzy | Are there any freenode staff present? |
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| 00:52.35 | ytripppy | what can i use when i cant modconf? |
| 00:53.04 | DaCa | norgm: you probably dont want something else then :) |
| 00:53.29 | ytripppy | i need to load a module for my ethernet card. |
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| 00:53.53 | dvs | !test |
| 00:53.53 | dpkg | Yes, dvs, you're still online. |
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| 00:55.10 | nikolas | is there an aplication i can use to display on a http page the latest directory's created on the ftp server ? |
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| 00:56.01 | schuler | drp: cat /etc/issue |
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| 00:56.44 | zoor | Just wanted to thank all of you who helped me earlier. I'm now hooked on Linux and with the distro from Xandros which is based on Debian :) |
| 00:57.02 | norgm | DaCa, yea, do you think so too? ;) |
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| 00:58.46 | cyklus | how do you recreate a user home directory? |
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| 01:00.54 | schuler | cyklus: man useradd # use option -m |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | cyklus: from backups |
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| 01:01.52 | schuler | cyklus: are they tar gzip archives? |
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| 01:02.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no ops about eh? |
| 01:03.00 | cyklus | schuler: yeah |
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| 01:03.52 | schuler | cyklus: cd /home; su -; tar xvfz <tarfile> |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | might want to preserve owner ship |
| 01:04.42 | schuler | cyklus: chown -R <user>:<group> /home/<user> |
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| 01:05.07 | gilles | what does foo mean, where does this word come from ? |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | !foo |
| 01:05.20 | dpkg | methinks foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 01:05.21 | dvs | gilles: fubar |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | !bar |
| 01:05.23 | dpkg | well, bar is a metasyntactic variable in cahoots with foo, baz, and boo. |
| 01:05.24 | beardy | gilles: google it |
| 01:06.11 | Paco | this debian thing frustrated me so much, i actually tried suse..but its too darn much like windows |
| 01:06.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:07.00 | FieldySnuts | yep that's suse and most rpm based distros |
| 01:07.07 | ecliptik | ewwww, rpm.... |
| 01:07.09 | schuler | Paco: debian is the best distro I know; very stable; you must only read a lot and be patient |
| 01:07.46 | Paco | (schuler): but sometimes it is SO frustrating..like i DO read a lot..i follow the instructins in ndiswrapper wki to a T, and it gets me nowhere |
| 01:08.13 | schuler | Paco: can I help you? |
| 01:08.35 | Paco | schuler, yes..but i am currently rrying to re-install debian |
| 01:08.53 | dvs | Paco: Why are you reinstalling Debian? |
| 01:08.59 | komozo | abrotman: do you have a link to an howto ? |
| 01:09.34 | Paco | (dvs): dont shoot me, but i got so frustrated, i actually tried suse out |
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| 01:09.41 | dvs | !shoot Paco |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | komozo: fer what? |
| 01:10.10 | dvs | Paco: I'd download the sarge installer and try that. |
| 01:10.13 | ytripppy | !kill paco |
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| 01:10.16 | Paco | (dvs): but, i found that suse is too much like wondows..there sisnt even an apt-get install command! |
| 01:10.34 | simonrvn | yast2 or something... |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | ytripppy: install modconf |
| 01:10.45 | komozo | procmail to pic mails and redistribute them (my last question ) |
| 01:10.52 | simonrvn | or dildo3... |
| 01:10.57 | abrotman | komozo: oh .. that was hours ago .. i thought you moved on :) |
| 01:10.59 | darklight | how do i save my changes after i change some lines using vim? |
| 01:11.06 | simonrvn | :wq |
| 01:11.10 | simonrvn | saves and quits |
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| 01:11.19 | dvs | darklight: :w |
| 01:11.40 | komozo | abrotman: :) not yet |
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| 01:11.44 | abrotman | komozo: no .. i don't know of any .. try the procmail site |
| 01:11.48 | simonrvn | :w saves, :saveas saves as the name you give it, etc. |
| 01:12.11 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: !irritate abrotman |
| 01:12.11 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 01:12.12 | toresbe | simonrvn: can't you do :w filename? |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: so close :) |
| 01:12.22 | simonrvn | afaik no |
| 01:12.33 | simonrvn | :help is your friend ;) |
| 01:12.34 | toresbe | simonrvn: works for me |
| 01:12.42 | simonrvn | ok |
| 01:12.42 | komozo | abortman: ok i will tell you |
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| 01:13.00 | Paco | suse even had installing programs automated, and i found it was promoting KDE too much |
| 01:13.24 | pipeline | Uh |
| 01:13.32 | pipeline | SuSE is a KDE distribution |
| 01:13.36 | pipeline | i.e. KDE is the only supported desktop |
| 01:13.42 | toresbe | susesucks |
| 01:13.44 | pipeline | it's an explicit objective |
| 01:13.46 | Paco | (pipeline): nope..i was able to load gnome |
| 01:13.53 | DaCa | Paco: debian even doesn't impose X :) |
| 01:13.55 | toresbe | thespacebarisalsoasubparfeature |
| 01:14.04 | pipeline | Paco: Yes, but before the Novell buyout, you wouldn't have been able to get support for gnome. |
| 01:14.20 | dvs | toresbe:thatwasanextraoptionforme;-) |
| 01:14.34 | Paco | (pipeline): okay...well, i guess i am not a suse expert like SOME people..LOL..i just know it sucks |
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| 01:15.21 | cyklus | how should /home be chmod'ed? |
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| 01:15.43 | schuler | cyklus: su - |
| 01:15.54 | schuler | cyklus: enter root password |
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| 01:16.27 | schuler | cyklus: chown -R <user>:<group> /home/<user> |
| 01:17.30 | cyklus | schuler: thanks |
| 01:18.16 | schuler | cyklus: you are welcome! |
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| 01:23.33 | technorevo | can anyone here provide me with any job leads? |
| 01:23.48 | cyklus | schuler: quick one... what should /home be chmod'ed to.. i.e. what are the permissions on /home itself |
| 01:23.54 | Roadrunne | how can i close a port which is opened by a program? (the program is needed, but the opened port not) |
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| 01:25.52 | schuler | cyklus: chmod ug+rwx,g+s,o+rx /home |
| 01:26.13 | chugga | tell dpkg about kidtalk at http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 01:26.22 | schuler | cyklus: chown root:staff /home |
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| 01:27.29 | hope22 | Running X, the computer does not seem to respond smoothly to keyboard inputs. It is jerky. Specially noticeable on vi, emacs, etc. No problem if I use gnome or KDE, but I don't want to use them for other reasons. Any idea about this, anyone? |
| 01:27.36 | toresbe | !leetspeak |
| 01:27.37 | cyklus | schuler: thanks.. is there anywhere where i can look up what the permissions on system folders should be? |
| 01:27.45 | toresbe | !leetspeek |
| 01:27.48 | toresbe | hmm |
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| 01:28.28 | chugga | hope22, and after this this: xset r rate 250 45 |
| 01:28.35 | toresbe | !leetspeak is http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 01:28.35 | dpkg | okay, toresbe |
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| 01:29.11 | ReKleSS | erm... I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade from woody to testing |
| 01:29.19 | ReKleSS | but it complains that glibc requires a newer kernel |
| 01:29.19 | davidcsi | question guys, I'm trying to install a new debian sarge, problem is, my keyboard is USB and it is not recognized when I get the "PRESS F1 or ENTER to start".... what can I do? |
| 01:29.26 | ReKleSS | but the kernel upgrade requires a new libc |
| 01:29.37 | ReKleSS | how do I get around this? |
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| 01:29.53 | hope22 | chugga, let me check, I will keep writing my paper for a while. |
| 01:30.04 | ReKleSS | I found a mailing list post about a kernel built to fix this, but it doesn't seem to be in the tree |
| 01:30.26 | schuler | cyklus: I don't know an easy way. Did you have lost all rights. Or are they stored in an archive? |
| 01:31.37 | chugga | hope, ok |
| 01:33.29 | davidcsi | I'm trying to install a new debian sarge, problem is, my keyboard is USB and it is not recognized when I get the "PRESS F1 or ENTER to start".... what can I do? |
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| 01:35.47 | davidcsi | I'm trying to install a new debian sarge, problem is, my keyboard is USB and it is not recognized when I get the "PRESS F1 or ENTER to start".... what can I do? |
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| 01:38.20 | toresbe | davidcsi: stop repeating |
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| 01:38.31 | toresbe | davidcsi: that's concidered rude, we saw it the first time |
| 01:38.42 | toresbe | davidcsi: look in the BIOS for "USB legacy" |
| 01:38.57 | toresbe | if it's wireless KB, too bad, use a PS/2 KB |
| 01:38.58 | cDNA | hey does anyone know how to fix the kernel panic with kernel 2.6 and a serial ata harddrive? |
| 01:39.17 | davidcsi | sorry... computer's pretty old... let me check |
| 01:39.35 | El_Presidente | does anyone know how to prevent yenta to disable irqs for my wlan card |
| 01:39.36 | El_Presidente | http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-pcmcia/2005-January/001396.html |
| 01:39.41 | El_Presidente | here is the error report |
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| 01:42.26 | gilles | i discovered that my 3 volume buttons were detected in /dev/input/event0. how can i configure them to respectively put down, put off and put up the volume now ? |
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| 01:47.42 | drp | what's the command to see everything that is mounted and the space available |
| 01:47.50 | ali7288 | df |
| 01:47.53 | ali7288 | drp: df |
| 01:47.56 | drp | ty |
| 01:47.57 | dvs | drp: df -h |
| 01:47.59 | drp | -r |
| 01:48.04 | drp | err yeah |
| 01:48.08 | drp | human readable |
| 01:49.28 | davidcsi | got it, thanks everyone |
| 01:49.31 | davidcsi | bye |
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| 01:49.31 | schuler | drp: mount |
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| 01:53.03 | Roadrunne | anyone installed yet a HP Proliant server with debian? |
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| 01:55.03 | afra | what is debian's version of chkconfig? Ie. how do I add a startup/shutdown script properly? |
| 01:55.25 | dvs | afra: man update-rc.d |
| 01:55.32 | afra | ahh thank you |
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| 01:58.07 | El_Presidente | n8n8 |
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| 02:04.24 | Sonarman | anyone know how to add packages to the initrd of the installer? |
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| 02:06.29 | drp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:06.41 | drp | similar to mpgtx |
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| 02:09.25 | Jacobo221 | are the /etc/rcS/* scripts executed when shutting down? |
| 02:10.40 | chealer | Jacobo221: cat /etc/rcS.d/README |
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| 02:10.57 | BucWheat | ugh i'm having trouble figuring out hotplug |
| 02:11.12 | Jacobo221 | chealer: oki :) |
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| 02:12.15 | BucWheat | hotplug currently loads the module for my pci card but i need it to run a configuration script after it loads the module |
| 02:12.49 | BucWheat | my problem is figuring out where to add my configuration command after it loads the module for my pci card |
| 02:15.02 | bbrazil | if its after a modules is loaded, look into modules.conf |
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| 02:15.54 | BucWheat | bbrazil hrmm i believe i tried that. i put my comannd: comedi_config /dev/comedi0 cb_pcidas64 in there and it doesn't run that |
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| 02:16.07 | bbrazil | BucWheat: as a post-install ? |
| 02:16.11 | BucWheat | bbrazil that is the configuration command i need to run |
| 02:16.13 | BucWheat | bbrazil yup |
| 02:16.28 | bbrazil | afaik it should just work, I've never used it |
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| 02:16.33 | inv0lved | hi. |
| 02:16.54 | bbrazil | debian does have some weirdness with modules.conf, but it shouldn't be affecting you |
| 02:17.00 | inv0lved | is there a wxwidgets 2.5.* package for debian sarge/testing? any backport from unstable? |
| 02:17.22 | jsn | I just switched to 2.6.8 (from 2.4.18) and am having trouble with my sound. The module is listed as =y in /boot/config but I can't modprobe es1371. |
| 02:17.29 | BucWheat | bbrazil let me show you what i put in there |
| 02:17.50 | chealer | swf_play (from package swf-player) doesn't terminate one minute after I issue SIGTERM. should this be a bug? if yes, can somebody estimate what gravity? |
| 02:17.56 | dvs | jsn: =y means that it is built into the kernel |
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| 02:18.34 | jsn | dvs: Thank you. |
| 02:18.46 | dvs | jsn: np |
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| 02:19.52 | chealer | inv0lved: no |
| 02:19.52 | BucWheat | bbrazil |
| 02:19.53 | BucWheat | post-install cb_pcidas64 PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:$PATH;comedi_config /dev/comedi0 cb_pcidas64 |
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| 02:21.21 | bbrazil | BucWheat: you tried making a shell script of all that? |
| 02:21.23 | Led_Zeppelin | if I have a USB mouse, what device should I select for Debian? |
| 02:21.40 | dvs | Led_Zeppelin: /dev/input/mice |
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| 02:22.12 | zeeeeee | hi all, is it possible to resume broken scp transfers? |
| 02:22.25 | bbrazil | zeeeeee: try rsync |
| 02:22.43 | FieldySnuts | zeeeeee: nope |
| 02:22.46 | BucWheat | bbrazil no. i've never done shell scripting before |
| 02:23.00 | FieldySnuts | zeeeeee: the file is deleted on the other side if it isn't completed, i'm rather sure |
| 02:23.20 | bbrazil | BucWheat: just shove all that in a shell script with #!/bin/bash as the first line, then put the full path of that in modules.conf |
| 02:23.39 | zeeeeee | ok, thanks all |
| 02:23.44 | BucWheat | bbrazil k. doing so now |
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| 02:24.16 | bbrazil | BucWheat: I'm thinking the its looking for a program rather than a shell command (in the broad sense) |
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| 02:24.30 | BucWheat | k |
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| 02:24.57 | inv0lved | chealer: not even backport from unstable? |
| 02:25.39 | BucWheat | bbrazil do i just put /etc/file in /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 02:25.42 | chealer | inv0lved: backports are for stable, not testing |
| 02:25.52 | BucWheat | bbrazil /etc/file is the full path to the file with: post-install comedi_config /dev/comedi0 cb_pcidas64 |
| 02:25.54 | BucWheat | inside |
| 02:26.03 | bbrazil | BucWheat: yip, and make sure that /etc/file is executable |
| 02:26.11 | bbrazil | BucWheat: just put the command part in /etc/file |
| 02:26.29 | ajondis | i need help extracting xfree86, can some one help? |
| 02:26.35 | BucWheat | bbrazil what command part ? |
| 02:26.43 | asg | inv0lved: /msg dpkg why is wxpython2.5.3 not in testing |
| 02:26.46 | bbrazil | BucWheat: everytihng after the module name |
| 02:27.00 | asg | ajondis: extracting? |
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| 02:27.56 | BucWheat | bbrazil so in modules.conf do post-install /etc/file |
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| 02:28.08 | bbrazil | BucWheat: look at the format in the manpage |
| 02:28.11 | ajondis | i am newb to debian and i walked my self all they way to the point of wget but i am getting an install error and the extract file keeping turning "extract.bad" |
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| 02:28.29 | ArtVandalae | Bass is spamming porno site links on entry |
| 02:28.35 | [Granger] | Bass == onjoins |
| 02:28.39 | asg | ajondis: wget what? what info are you reading |
| 02:28.44 | dvs | !ops Bass is a spambot |
| 02:28.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Bass is a spambot |
| 02:29.05 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: onjoin spammer, Bass. |
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| 02:29.36 | doublehp | I have some problems with my locales : http://doublehp.ath.cx/pastebin.php?show=42 |
| 02:29.42 | alindeman | Thanks |
| 02:29.43 | ajondis | i was reading xfree86man from there servers but its not a good walkthrough |
| 02:29.48 | FieldySnuts | thanks to you too. |
| 02:29.48 | BucWheat | bbrazil done. going to reboot server to see if it works now |
| 02:29.50 | Led_Zeppelin | dvs: okay, do I need to have gpm running to use /dev/input/mice ? |
| 02:29.55 | bbrazil | BucWheat: no need to reboot |
| 02:30.00 | boukensya | hello guys.. I was wondering if there is a way to play video as you background ? |
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| 02:30.01 | asg | ajondis: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:30.32 | dvs | Led_Zeppelin: no, I hope you're using a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:30.32 | bbrazil | BucWheat: remove the module and modprobe it manually |
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| 02:30.34 | johnathan | Hello everyone. |
| 02:31.18 | chealer | wxpython2.5.3 seems to imply it's pretty poor at backwards compatibility :) |
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| 02:31.34 | ajondis | that does nothing |
| 02:31.43 | asg | ajondis: type it in your irc client |
| 02:31.49 | asg | ajondis: our bot will give you instructions |
| 02:32.16 | ajondis | oh, i am on windows now |
| 02:32.20 | ajondis | what the irc for debian |
| 02:32.32 | johnathan | xchat |
| 02:32.50 | asg | ajondis: ? |
| 02:33.03 | ajondis | how do you use it terminal |
| 02:33.10 | BucWheat | bbrazil too late already rebooted. and it doesn't load module automatically now :( |
| 02:33.13 | ajondis | i have no gui |
| 02:33.18 | asg | ajondis: just type it '/msg dpkg set up x' |
| 02:33.35 | chealer | !tell ajondis about set up x |
| 02:33.56 | bbrazil | BucWheat: you probably messed up your modules.conf |
| 02:34.04 | bbrazil | BucWheat: what does the line read as now? |
| 02:34.29 | ajondis | ty for pointing me in the way asg |
| 02:34.36 | asg | ajondis: you're welcome |
| 02:34.57 | BucWheat | bbrazil hld on |
| 02:35.16 | buu | Anyone know how to get the proper kernel module for kqemu for 2.6.8? |
| 02:35.19 | BucWheat | post-install cb_pcidas64 /etc/daq |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:35.54 | bbrazil | eeh, guinness isn't a beer, its a stout |
| 02:35.55 | asg | abrotman: evening |
| 02:36.04 | bbrazil | BucWheat: seems fine |
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| 02:36.24 | ralf | Ciao |
| 02:36.32 | dvs | ralf: bye |
| 02:36.34 | asg | !italian |
| 02:36.34 | dpkg | it has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 02:36.36 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:36.53 | asg | dvs: "you say hello, I say goodbye" |
| 02:37.03 | dvs | hello, hello |
| 02:37.17 | buu | I've tried to insmod the kqemu_mod_i386.o that comes in the package, but it says 'bad module version' |
| 02:37.22 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: this is like saying websters isn't a book, it's a dictionary |
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| 02:38.07 | jsn | I guess I have an IRQ problem, since the sound worked this morning. I really don't know much about why IRQ X gets set to Card Y. |
| 02:38.20 | quitte | is there a howto for cross compiling debs somewhere? |
| 02:38.22 | jsn | How can I check what IRQ my sound card should be? |
| 02:38.26 | BucWheat | bbrazil i think i know the problem. |
| 02:38.36 | BucWheat | bbrazil when i try to do modprobe mymodule |
| 02:38.45 | dondelelcaro | quitte: depends on what you're cross compiling for |
| 02:38.45 | BucWheat | i get FATAL: Module mymodule not found |
| 02:38.57 | quitte | dondelelcaro: sh3 |
| 02:39.01 | BucWheat | bbrazil and i know the module is there because i just installed it and it installed fine |
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| 02:39.10 | bbrazil | BucWheat: depmod -a |
| 02:39.53 | BucWheat | bbrazil didn't work. i think i need to do that in /lib/modules/kernel-ver/ |
| 02:39.57 | ralf | why i can't install a debian java package? |
| 02:40.00 | dondelelcaro | quitte: there are some howtos out there specifically for that... google will help you |
| 02:40.08 | kev1 | hi!, i just got gnome working but everytime i turn up the sound volume, it just drops back down to "-", anyone know what this problem is? |
| 02:40.08 | dvs | ralf: you can |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | asg: how was your practice? |
| 02:40.14 | quitte | dondelelcaro: really? great. |
| 02:40.16 | dondelelcaro | !vaugueness |
| 02:40.21 | bbrazil | BucWheat: quite strange. you tried insmod? |
| 02:40.24 | abrotman | asg: don't know why you say goodbye i say hello |
| 02:40.24 | dondelelcaro | !vagueness |
| 02:40.24 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES ACNE! |
| 02:40.31 | ralf | dvs: some packages disappeared from repository |
| 02:40.50 | dondelelcaro | ralf: which packages? what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:40.57 | bbrazil | BucWheat: (won't run the post-install, but willl see if the module is loadable) |
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| 02:41.05 | BucWheat | bbrazil still doesn't work. trying insmod now |
| 02:41.16 | ralf | sun-j2sdk |
| 02:41.17 | asg | abrotman: practice went well last night (and thanks for the fill) |
| 02:41.32 | dondelelcaro | ralf: sun-j2sdk has never been in the archive. |
| 02:41.46 | doublehp | please: my locales are broken: http://doublehp.ath.cx/pastebin.php?show=42 http://doublehp.ath.cx/pastebin.php?show=43 ... whats wrong ? |
| 02:41.50 | ralf | sun-j2re1.5debian |
| 02:41.53 | kev1 | anyone know if it's possible to use HArmon Kardon Soundsticks with X-window/X-free86 with gnome? |
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| 02:42.16 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: it's en_GB, not en-GB |
| 02:42.23 | abrotman | asg: i remembered more than you :) |
| 02:42.24 | dvs | ralf: The proper way to install Sun's java is to use the java-package package |
| 02:42.35 | ralf | done |
| 02:42.44 | ralf | but it fails while installing |
| 02:42.50 | ralf | broken dependencies |
| 02:42.59 | BucWheat | bbrazil i see the .ko files in /lib/modules/2.6.8/comedi/ but when i insmod i get this |
| 02:43.05 | dondelelcaro | ralf: then paste the errors using paster or into #flood |
| 02:43.14 | BucWheat | bbrazil insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.8/comedi/cb_pcidas64.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 02:43.18 | asg | abrotman: I'm impared by mrs asg's dad's smoked chicken tacos with salsa verde. |
| 02:43.32 | BucWheat | bbrazil i think i know why |
| 02:43.33 | quitte | dondelelcaro: did you find out by googling. the only promising web page i can find is japan. |
| 02:43.33 | rover | Since today's Sarge update to udev, my cdrom's device node has group set to root. Is this broken now and is there a good workaround for it? |
| 02:43.34 | bbrazil | BucWheat: which is why you need modprobe to pull in the dependancies too :) |
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| 02:43.47 | ralf | i haven't that deb now, damn |
| 02:43.47 | BucWheat | bbrazil heh i booted into wrong kernel :) let me reboot |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | asg: ass problems ? |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | asg: your spelling/typing is suffering also |
| 02:44.12 | asg | abrotman: no, just full (in a good way) |
| 02:44.17 | dondelelcaro | quitte: http://www.m17n.org/linux-sh/debian/ |
| 02:44.44 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I'd be asleep but there is a work issue I'm dealing with. |
| 02:45.36 | quitte | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | asg: yay work! |
| 02:45.59 | dondelelcaro | quitte: granted, it looks a bit out of date, but it probably will give you a start |
| 02:46.13 | chealer | is it a bug if swf_play (from package swf-player) doesn't terminate one minute after I issue SIGTERM? it's a Flash player |
| 02:46.23 | dondelelcaro | quitte: there's also a sh port going on at the same time... you may try finding the mailing list on lists.debian.org and ask them |
| 02:46.58 | dondelelcaro | chealer: probably... but if the thing doesn't explode into firery bits, count your blessings. |
| 02:47.53 | quitte | dondelelcaro: like www.jlimes.com or debian.dodes.org? or something that isn'T old |
| 02:47.55 | buu | dondelelcaro: You have any idea why kqemu isn't working with 2.6.8? |
| 02:48.15 | jsn | Any tips on how to figure out what IRQ my sound card _should_ have? Apparently, having it set to 11 is not working for me. |
| 02:48.24 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks but what do you mean by "count your blessings"? |
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| 02:48.38 | dvs | jsn: is it an ISA card? |
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| 02:48.50 | buu | chealer: He means, "be grateful for what you have" |
| 02:48.50 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. anyone ever try to get kdm to work on a vt other then 7 I get it starting up but I cannot login. |
| 02:48.54 | BucWheat | bbrazil this is weird. somehow hotplug installs the driver for me at boot ( i commented my entries of the module in modules.conf) |
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| 02:49.04 | jsn | dvs: I thought it was PCI, but it might be ISA. The machine was put together in 98 |
| 02:49.14 | BucWheat | bbrazil and when i enabled my entry in modules.conf the script didn't run |
| 02:49.21 | dondelelcaro | buu: I've never touched kqemu. Have you filed a bug yet? |
| 02:49.24 | chealer | hehe ok. dondelelcaro: do you think you would file a bug for that? |
| 02:49.31 | buu | dondelelcaro: Nope, I was trying to ensure that it wasn't my fault. |
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| 02:49.48 | bbrazil | BucWheat: what if you manually modprobe? |
| 02:49.53 | BucWheat | bbrazil why isn't my script not being ran ? how can i fire off my script ? |
| 02:49.55 | jsn | dvs: and was close to top of the line at the time (built from good parts) |
| 02:49.57 | BucWheat | bbrazil k. let me try that |
| 02:50.00 | ralf | what about blachdown? |
| 02:50.06 | dondelelcaro | buu: dunno, I've never tried kqemu... maybe ask again and someone here will know? |
| 02:50.06 | ralf | *blackdown |
| 02:50.18 | buu | dondelelcaro: Was that second part sarcasm? |
| 02:50.30 | dvs | jsn: Do you see it when you do "lspci"? |
| 02:50.47 | dondelelcaro | chealer: probably... can you attach to it with strace to see what it's doing? is it in D? |
| 02:50.53 | asg | abrotman: it never ends |
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| 02:51.19 | jsn | dvs: Yes. |
| 02:51.25 | dondelelcaro | chealer: does it die when you send it a KILL? |
| 02:51.27 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I'm asking because I don't know POSIX/C/processes stuff...what do you mean by D? |
| 02:51.30 | dvs | jsn: Then it's probably a PCI card. |
| 02:51.35 | chealer | dondelelcaro: SIGKILL yes |
| 02:51.51 | BucWheat | bbrazil when i modprobe manually the module loads. but my script doesn't get executed. |
| 02:51.52 | jsn | dvs: Does that help me with the IRQ question? |
| 02:51.54 | chealer | dondelelcaro: should I understand that some processes don't die on SIGKILL? |
| 02:52.00 | BucWheat | bbrazil i can execute the script manually and it works fine though |
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| 02:52.12 | dvs | jsn: The only way to change the IRQ of a PCI card is to change the PCI slot |
| 02:52.13 | dondelelcaro | chealer: some can't, if they're already dead (zombies) or in uninteruptible io sleep |
| 02:52.23 | BucWheat | bbrazil could i put my script in another startup script? like SSH or something? |
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| 02:52.27 | bbrazil | BucWheat: I haven't a clue then |
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| 02:52.45 | abrotman | asg: my bosses were quiet all day |
| 02:52.46 | bbrazil | BucWheat: there's some factoid in dpkg about that |
| 02:52.52 | dondelelcaro | chealer: in this case, it just sounds like the sig term handler doesn't do anything. File a normal (or minor) bug asking for it to do something useful, like quit the application. |
| 02:53.11 | BucWheat | bbrazil fire it my way then |
| 02:53.13 | BucWheat | :) |
| 02:53.15 | jsn | Hmm. Maybe it is the /dev. MAKEDEV /dev/dsp (did I do that right?) said it didn't know how to make the file. |
| 02:53.17 | asg | abrotman: hopefully they weren't plotting something |
| 02:53.22 | jsn | s/file/device |
| 02:53.31 | bbrazil | BucWheat: I can't remember which one, but that isn't the right way to do things |
| 02:53.33 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot. would you still mind to explain me what mean "in D"? |
| 02:53.40 | dondelelcaro | jsn: cd /dev; MAKEDEV audio; man MAKEDEV; |
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| 02:54.16 | abrotman | asg: the one just returned from 10 days on the road |
| 02:54.19 | dondelelcaro | chealer: that's what ps axfu; displays when a process is uninteruptible for some reason (ie, waiting for a call to return) |
| 02:54.21 | jsn | Thx dondelelcaro, I had step 1 right :) |
| 02:54.47 | asg | abrotman: oh, with charts, graphs, implements of destruction, and *shudder* new ideas |
| 02:55.28 | dondelelcaro | jsn: heh |
| 02:55.40 | BucWheat | bbrazil well help me do it the right way. i would like to have hotplug start my script but even after reading man hotplug i do not know how to accomplish this |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | asg: no .. working .. not sales |
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| 02:55.56 | bbrazil | BucWheat: I don't know, I've never done it |
| 02:56.04 | abrotman | asg: with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was about |
| 02:56.08 | asg | abrotman: cool |
| 02:56.24 | ReKleSS | erm... I'm installing woody/sparc right now... is there a way to set up a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel during install? |
| 02:56.39 | asg | ReKleSS: bf24 |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | asg: circles and arrows!! |
| 02:56.47 | ReKleSS | asg: ? |
| 02:56.59 | jsn | dondelelcaro, didn't work, though. Still get -bash: /dev/dsp: No such device (same for dsp[0-3] |
| 02:57.00 | asg | ReKleSS: pass bf24 at the boot: prompt |
| 02:57.05 | ReKleSS | ah, ok |
| 02:57.12 | dondelelcaro | jsn: but /dev/dsp0 exists, right? |
| 02:57.19 | jsn | dondelelcaro, check. |
| 02:57.20 | jsn | yes |
| 02:57.25 | ReKleSS | asg: thanks |
| 02:57.27 | dondelelcaro | jsn: that just means that you don't have the driver for your audio card loaded |
| 02:57.31 | asg | ReKleSS: woody doesn't have 2.6 during the installer |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | does noone get the circle and arrows ? |
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| 02:57.42 | ReKleSS | asg: will this work for a net boot? |
| 02:57.48 | asg | ReKleSS: it should do |
| 02:57.51 | ReKleSS | ok |
| 02:57.59 | Trev_ | I am looking to register a domain name, there are a million or more companies registering domains.. any suggestions ? US.. and I want domain name forwarding.. I see them from $5.00 to $70.00 and really dont wanna get screwed =) THANKS ! |
| 02:58.02 | dondelelcaro | jsn: /msg dpkg audio; will help with that, iirc. |
| 02:58.05 | jsn | dondelelcaro, It's compiled in. It's listed in the config as =y (it's ensoniq 1371, module es1371) |
| 02:58.08 | asg | abrotman: some UML nonsense? |
| 02:58.22 | dondelelcaro | jsn: ok, then it should have been detected. Check dmesg; to see what happened. |
| 02:58.23 | asg | abrotman: or are we still talking about Gutherie |
| 02:58.41 | bbrazil | BucWheat: ah, apprently with 2.6 you need to look at modutils.d |
| 02:58.48 | jsn | dondelelcaro, It was detected. Alsa found it. Says it is on IRQ 11. |
| 02:59.00 | bbrazil | BucWheat: *modprobe.d |
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| 02:59.31 | jsn | ALSA device list: #0: Ensoniq AudioPCI ENS1371 at 0xe400, irq 11 |
| 02:59.31 | dondelelcaro | jsn: oh, you're using alsa. Then you don't have oss support loaded |
| 02:59.37 | jsn | ah |
| 02:59.40 | jsn | merci |
| 02:59.46 | dondelelcaro | jsn: alsa doesn't use /dev/dsp0 until you load whatever the oss support module is called |
| 02:59.58 | ReKleSS | asg: erm... I did boot net bf24, but apparently it's still running 2.2.20 |
| 03:00.00 | dvs | snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:00.25 | dondelelcaro | jsn: however, alsaplay or alsamixer should work |
| 03:00.31 | dondelelcaro | s/alsaplay/aplay/ |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | asg: yes . guthrie |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 03:00.46 | asg | ReKleSS: hmmm, then check the install guide (/msg dpkg ig) to see what the correct syntax should be |
| 03:00.53 | ReKleSS | asg: ok |
| 03:00.56 | jsn | alsamixer let's me change the settings. alsaconf can't find anything. |
| 03:01.15 | asg | abrotman: I don't want a pickle, just wanna ride on my motorcycle. |
| 03:01.37 | komozo | abrotman: here what i want to do |
| 03:01.41 | komozo | abrotman: the network architecture is |
| 03:01.47 | komozo | abrotman: MTAoftheFAI----ADSLrouter----Serv----clients-net |
| 03:01.52 | komozo | abrotman: i want the Serv to become clients mail server. |
| 03:01.59 | komozo | abrotman: Serv picks mails from MTAoftheFAI and stock them. |
| 03:02.04 | komozo | abrotman: A client with his MDA uses Serv to read and send messages |
| 03:02.11 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I can see what the process is doing with strace, it's not in D |
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| 03:02.28 | abrotman | asg: yay! |
| 03:02.34 | dondelelcaro | chealer: yeah, just file a bug requesting that it terminate when you send it a SIGTERM |
| 03:02.34 | abrotman | asg: the long end of the pickle! |
| 03:02.39 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 03:03.07 | abrotman | komozo: i really don't know how to do it .. you do want procmail i'm almost certain .. and fetchmail also |
| 03:03.09 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:03.13 | asg | abrotman: anys, the reg box is out of the load balancer and working. I'm out. Night. |
| 03:03.37 | chealer | dondelelcaro: it seems to be in a loop too |
| 03:03.46 | BucWheat | bbrazil looking there now |
| 03:04.24 | komozo | abrotman : uhum |
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| 03:05.10 | tag | I'm having some wierd problem, my hard drive at certain points sounds like its skipping "click click click click click |
| 03:05.27 | tag | and earlier, I had an error (bad sector I think) which caused my hard drive to be dismounted and remounted read only |
| 03:05.29 | sh | same by me |
| 03:05.30 | dondelelcaro | tag: mm... the click of death |
| 03:05.31 | sh | =) |
| 03:05.44 | dondelelcaro | tag: backup, and hope for the best. |
| 03:06.12 | dondelelcaro | tag: probably also check and see what the smartmon tools tell you |
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| 03:06.23 | BucWheat | bbrazil i'm in /etc/modprobe.d/ and i'm not finding anything that'll run my script |
| 03:06.33 | BucWheat | bbrazil or file to place my script in |
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| 03:06.38 | bbrazil | BucWheat: man modprobe.conf |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | komozo: uhm what? |
| 03:06.47 | abrotman | asg: night |
| 03:07.30 | tag | yeah it keeps saying "ide0: restet: success" |
| 03:07.31 | tag | wtf |
| 03:07.50 | dondelelcaro | tag: heh. yeah, it's going down |
| 03:07.56 | tag | oh god my hard drive is falling out from underme huh |
| 03:07.58 | tag | jesus christ |
| 03:08.11 | tag | God this is going to ruin me |
| 03:08.27 | dondelelcaro | tag: or at least, what you're describing is consistent with a dying harddrive |
| 03:08.40 | jsn | I was getting QM_MODULES: Function not implemented, installed module-init-tools... |
| 03:08.48 | tag | dondelelcaro: Yeah it seems to be a dying hard drive. |
| 03:08.49 | jsn | Which oss module should i probe? |
| 03:08.53 | komozo | abrotman : a sigh (i do it when i have no hope :) ) |
| 03:09.08 | tag | dondelelcaro: its getting worse by the minute |
| 03:09.19 | dondelelcaro | tag: heh. yeah, stop talking to me and save your data |
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| 03:09.41 | BucWheat | bbrazil i'm there |
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| 03:09.55 | bbrazil | BucWheat: you got it working? |
| 03:09.59 | cirdan | hehe |
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| 03:10.10 | abrotman | komozo: que? |
| 03:10.10 | jsn | argh, got it, was using _ instead of - |
| 03:10.14 | tag | I'm bzipping all my important shit and firing it off right now |
| 03:10.36 | bbrazil | tag: don't bzip - just fire it off, it'll cause even more disk access |
| 03:10.37 | thingfish | tag: eat some dark chocolate, you'll feel better. |
| 03:10.59 | nvz | man, I just had a hell of a time fighting with sawish to get my xsession just right. I finally figured out starting sawfish first and using some wildcards can save me a lot of grief with matched windows |
| 03:11.04 | cirdan | hey all, anyone ever hear of a script that will arrange a set of files into dirs that best fit a given size? |
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| 03:11.14 | gandy909 | is there a howto to install woody from local iso's? |
| 03:11.20 | bbrazil | (unless you do tar -cj dir | ssh 'cat > file.tar.bz2)' |
| 03:11.23 | cirdan | like i want to backup a bunch of files in the min amount of cds |
| 03:12.16 | BucWheat | bbrazil no. still looking in modules.conf |
| 03:12.16 | tag | dondelelcaro: anything I can do to avoid needing to buy a new hard drive |
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| 03:12.30 | nvz | cirdan: I think thats what certain compression tools like rar are for.. to compress into even sized files. |
| 03:12.36 | cirdan | nvz: no good |
| 03:12.37 | dondelelcaro | tag: make burned offerings to the gods of hard drives? Dunno. |
| 03:12.41 | cirdan | i want to access the files |
| 03:12.55 | abrotman | cirdan: du -sk :) |
| 03:12.56 | cirdan | i just want them arranged into the best combo |
| 03:13.11 | cirdan | abrotman: yeah...well i'm not as good as a good script :-p |
| 03:13.23 | bbrazil | cirdan: you'll probably have to write one, be warned its NP-complete |
| 03:13.36 | cirdan | no idea what to even use as search keywords |
| 03:13.43 | cirdan | bbrazil: fun fun |
| 03:13.46 | nvz | cirdan: if you need access to them then you cannot just rearrange them.. you cant take setup.exe thats 100mb and put it on a different than setup.ini which is 5kb and expect to run the windows installer :P |
| 03:14.16 | cirdan | nvz: they are either videos or stand-alone files |
| 03:14.24 | cirdan | i.e. disk imaged |
| 03:14.29 | cirdan | images |
| 03:14.30 | tag | this is totally going to ruin me, I have a deadline! |
| 03:15.05 | tag | and I'm broke! |
| 03:15.07 | tag | god! |
| 03:15.19 | bbrazil | tag: you have backups right? |
| 03:15.46 | cirdan | nvz: so something like du -sk *, then make the best combos to get as close to 702M as possible, with the min # of cds |
| 03:15.46 | tag | most my code is in a repository, everything I may not have backups of I'm uploading to my colo as we speak |
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| 03:16.27 | inv0lved | how do we call those packages that have things that one has compiled? just to add them to the debs db.. |
| 03:16.30 | BucWheat | bbrazil done with man modules.conf and what i have in modules.conf should run my script after the module is loaded. why it isn't doing so is beyond me |
| 03:16.38 | thingfish | the golden rule of computing: if you can't afford to lose it, have it backed up. |
| 03:16.50 | bbrazil | BucWheat: no, modprobe.conf |
| 03:16.50 | BucWheat | bbrazil i also don't understand how hotplug works and how it knows to load the module for my pci card |
| 03:17.10 | bbrazil | BucWheat: it has a table of ids which it matches to modules names (I think) |
| 03:17.14 | tag | yeah, I have backups |
| 03:17.19 | nvz | well I am happy now, got my 3 workspaces configured properly, with all client windows from.xsession matched. I can move on to bindings. |
| 03:17.31 | tag | so what though I'm supposed to be done with this by the end of the weekend and if my shit frys |
| 03:17.35 | tag | .. |
| 03:17.42 | tag | I don't have any money, god damnit |
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| 03:18.09 | nvz | finally added the much needed options to my aterm in matched windows.. like enter-exit focus . . . |
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| 03:19.08 | inv0lved | how do we call those packages that have locally compiled software? |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | !stow |
| 03:19.44 | dpkg | hmm... stow is a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
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| 03:20.19 | BucWheat | bbrazil k. done with man modprobe.conf if i create modprobe.conf it will ignore modprobe.d/ i do not want to do this. but the man didn't say anything on how to add your files to modprobe.d so they'd run |
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| 03:20.22 | inv0lved | that was not it, but seems nice :) |
| 03:20.28 | BucWheat | err.. module lines |
| 03:20.48 | inv0lved | those type of packages have a name.. |
| 03:20.58 | jetscreamer | compiling on a p3550 sucks ass |
| 03:21.04 | cirdan | heh |
| 03:21.07 | bbrazil | just shove them in a file only conating letters (roughly) |
| 03:21.17 | bbrazil | locally created packages |
| 03:21.20 | dvs | p3550? |
| 03:21.24 | BucWheat | like my /etc/file i created ? |
| 03:21.38 | BucWheat | and take out the #!/bin/bash |
| 03:21.49 | bbrazil | in modprobe.d |
| 03:21.59 | BucWheat | yea i'm going to put it in there |
| 03:22.00 | bbrazil | look at teh format of the file there and read the manpages |
| 03:22.21 | BucWheat | bbrazil that is just it all that is in there is alias that doesn't do anything |
| 03:22.45 | jetscreamer | ah fuck FAT: Filesystem panic (dev hdb1) |
| 03:22.46 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.54 | BucWheat | i can do install module program and see if that works but man didn't say anything about running other programs other than /sbin/modprobe |
| 03:23.10 | daffy-pkf | can someone tell me wich version of fglrx is the best? the last one is buggy about memory (not freeing allowed memory when not used) |
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| 03:24.56 | daffy-pkf | and also what should i ask to dpkg for the make-kpkg mantra... (is it mantra? i remember as it but not sure...) |
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| 03:25.06 | jetscreamer | kp |
| 03:25.14 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 03:25.19 | daffy-pkf | thanks |
| 03:25.25 | bbrazil | BucWheat: it does things, I got it to work for me in a few minutes. you should be able to figure it out |
| 03:25.37 | jetscreamer | daffy-pkf, /msg dpkg listkeys <blah> |
| 03:25.51 | BucWheat | bbrazil well i just did install module shell command with args and it says this |
| 03:26.03 | BucWheat | FATAL: Error running install command for cb_pcidas64 |
| 03:26.36 | bbrazil | at least its trying to run the command :) |
| 03:26.44 | BucWheat | bbrazil this is what i have in /etc/modprobe.d/file: install cb_pcidas64 /usr/local/sbin/comedi_config /dev/comedi0 cb_pcidas64 0,5 |
| 03:26.48 | BucWheat | bbrazil heh true |
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| 03:27.20 | bbrazil | BucWheat: read the modprobe.conf manpage carefully inrelation to install |
| 03:27.39 | BucWheat | k |
| 03:29.11 | inv0lved | equivs!!!!! |
| 03:29.13 | inv0lved | that was it! |
| 03:29.24 | Xylron | I'm trying to set up framebuffer for debian running in VMware (I know this is possible because knoppix does it, and is debian based.) I have kernel-2.6.8-2-686, and am using grub... kernel option vga=786 does not work claiming invalid mode. What else should i try? |
| 03:29.32 | inv0lved | locally compilled stuff is in a equiv! |
| 03:30.33 | shingouz | Xylron: i am not sure if it is possible to run a framebuffer under VMware in anycase |
| 03:30.59 | Xylron | well knoppix shows the tux logo on boot, so i assume it is possible |
| 03:31.05 | shingouz | Xylron: also does the kernel you are trying to run have the appropriate framebuffer in it |
| 03:31.29 | Xylron | i dunno... i have the stock debian kernal. |
| 03:31.39 | shingouz | kernEl |
| 03:31.55 | Xylron | yeah... i know, typo. |
| 03:31.56 | shingouz | Xylron: how about trying to chek if you have it? |
| 03:32.02 | shingouz | check even |
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| 03:32.49 | Xylron | I'm honestly not sure what framebuffer is apporpriate in this case... |
| 03:33.07 | jack|h | Anyone have problems using the debian linux-wlan package where wlan.agent eats up all the cpu time on boot? |
| 03:33.12 | shingouz | Xylron: what is the video hardware you have, depends on that |
| 03:33.57 | Xylron | Well that is it... the debian is running in vmware, so it is using whatever ghardware that emulates.... |
| 03:34.05 | Xylron | which is undocumented |
| 03:34.14 | BucWheat | bbrazil ugh... what am i doing wrong. i've read and reread manpage and i'm still getting the same error when i modprobe myModule |
| 03:35.05 | shingouz | Xylron: i have no idea :( |
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| 03:35.12 | jetscreamer | !llc |
| 03:35.14 | bbrazil | BucWheat: strace it |
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| 03:35.18 | msg43 | how do I edit gnome menus |
| 03:35.22 | Xylron | What framebuffer is required for the vga=786 to work.... that is the one knoppix seems to use... |
| 03:35.37 | jetscreamer | what is llc, as in net/llc/llc.o |
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| 03:35.47 | BucWheat | bbrazil strace? never heard of it |
| 03:35.47 | nvz | Xylron: probably uses a generic vesa fb |
| 03:35.53 | shingouz | Xylron: the appropriate fb for your hardware as i just said |
| 03:35.56 | jetscreamer | i thought it was vga=791 but i know nothing |
| 03:36.04 | bbrazil | BucWheat: let you see what system calls a program is making |
| 03:36.29 | kenboo | !dpkg rdev |
| 03:36.29 | bbrazil | BucWheat: very useful for this type of problem, altohugh the output can be quite cryptic |
| 03:36.31 | jetscreamer | msg43, beats me, let me know when you find out |
| 03:36.33 | Xylron | vga=791 is a more common choice... but 786 should work |
| 03:36.39 | msg43 | jetscreamer ok |
| 03:36.50 | jetscreamer | hell /msg me even :) |
| 03:37.58 | jetscreamer | msg43, #gnome maybe |
| 03:38.15 | BucWheat | bbrazil even strace says : FATAL: Error running install command for cb_pcidas64 |
| 03:38.25 | BucWheat | bbrazil along with a bunch of other gibberish |
| 03:38.26 | Xylron | ok... vga=791 does work but 789 does not... damn google. |
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| 03:38.53 | bbrazil | BucWheat: have fun interpreting the gibberish. you'll want 2>&1 | less |
| 03:39.13 | BucWheat | ? |
| 03:39.22 | jetscreamer | hey i have a kernel compiling on a remote box, will it keep on compiling if i close the xterm window i've ssh'd into the box with? |
| 03:39.44 | shingouz | jetscreamer: if you run the compile with screen it will, otherwise no |
| 03:39.50 | bbrazil | no, unless you are using screen |
| 03:40.04 | Xylron | only problem with vga=791 is that when running that it fails to display tux... and indeed it seems to be more like acting in text mode at a higher resolution...... |
| 03:40.12 | bbrazil | altohugh if you crtl-Z and bg you might get away with it |
| 03:40.32 | jetscreamer | i'll wait, it's 'almost' finished |
| 03:41.10 | shingouz | Xylron: print a picture of tux and tape it to the upper left corner of the monitor? ;) |
| 03:41.10 | jetscreamer | p3 550 i'd hate to start over |
| 03:41.31 | shingouz | jetscreamer: stop complaining, you have a p3, i'm running a p1 here |
| 03:41.32 | jetscreamer | shingouz++ |
| 03:41.38 | Xylron | Well if it fails to load that i'm suspecting that it will fail my other fb apps..... |
| 03:41.51 | Xylron | besides it seems to hang at the login prompt. |
| 03:41.56 | bbrazil | you shouldn't have to start over |
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| 03:42.53 | bbrazil | jetscreamer: it does use 'make' after all |
| 03:42.55 | shingouz | Xylron: tweak the parameters then, should not be too hard to reboot the box a couple of times to get the framebuffer set up correctly |
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| 03:45.23 | aliasd | heyas |
| 03:46.33 | aliasd | i have a router running sarge here. i used eth0 as my external interface, and did some masquerading through to br0, which is a bridge of eth1, eth2 and eth3 |
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| 03:47.18 | aliasd | everything works, except a computer connected to br0 via eth2 cant talk to a computer on eth1 via br0 |
| 03:47.20 | aliasd | make sense? |
| 03:47.26 | gandy909 | can I install woody from a set of local iso's? |
| 03:47.33 | shingouz | gandy909: yes |
| 03:48.07 | shingouz | aliasd: check your routing tables |
| 03:48.33 | aliasd | i got this: |
| 03:48.35 | aliasd | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 br0 |
| 03:48.35 | aliasd | default hagen.crsaq.org 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 03:48.43 | shingouz | don't paste here... |
| 03:48.57 | aliasd | i wouldnt have, except it was only 2 lines |
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| 03:49.59 | aliasd | apologies |
| 03:50.03 | shingouz | <aliasd> everything works, except a computer connected to br0 via eth2 cant talk to a computer on eth1 via br0 <----looks to me like your bridging setup is screwed somehow |
| 03:50.10 | aliasd | yea :) |
| 03:50.34 | aliasd | i made br0 using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:50.42 | aliasd | so it seemed pretty straightforward |
| 03:51.03 | shingouz | that is where the problem must be in anycase |
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| 03:51.36 | cirdan | shingouz: you have forwarding on? |
| 03:51.57 | shingouz | cirdan: i dont have networking problems here at the moment |
| 03:52.06 | cirdan | err, sorry, typo :-) |
| 03:52.11 | shingouz | :) |
| 03:52.11 | cirdan | aliasd: ou have forwarding on |
| 03:52.16 | aliasd | yep |
| 03:52.31 | aliasd | anything on eth1, eth2, and eth3 is able to aceess anything on eth0... so thats most of what i want to use it for... |
| 03:52.35 | cirdan | can your linux box ping both servers? |
| 03:52.46 | cirdan | s/servers/computers/ |
| 03:52.48 | aliasd | which box? |
| 03:52.51 | aliasd | the router? |
| 03:52.54 | cirdan | the bridgle one |
| 03:53.12 | aliasd | yea, it can |
| 03:53.29 | cirdan | if it can ping boxes on each interface, then the problem is prolly w/forwarding or iptables |
| 03:53.37 | cirdan | ie a routing issue :-) |
| 03:53.45 | aliasd | it dhcp assigns addresses on eth1, eth2 and eth3 from the same pool |
| 03:53.47 | shingouz | in the bridge |
| 03:53.54 | cirdan | what does netstat -rn say? |
| 03:54.05 | aliasd | as far as the router is concerned, they are all on the same network |
| 03:54.13 | aliasd | but i have 3 different networks |
| 03:54.33 | cirdan | same ip block on all interfaces, yes? |
| 03:54.51 | DFuzzy1 | is there a direct connect program that I can get via aptitude or do I have to compile it manually? |
| 03:55.06 | dmz | so i left earlier, why are "caudium caudium-modules caudium-php4" all now dependancies to be installed when i already have apache? |
| 03:55.09 | vulture | DFuzzy1: apt-cache search |
| 03:55.11 | vulture | yeesh. |
| 03:55.13 | cirdan | DFuzzy1: apt-cache search |
| 03:55.14 | cirdan | heh |
| 03:55.15 | aliasd | cirdan, yes, its only 1 interface anyway |
| 03:55.29 | aliasd | br0 == eth1, eth2, eth3 |
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| 03:56.08 | cirdan | sysctl -a | grep -i forward |
| 03:56.09 | DFuzzy1 | many thanks. |
| 03:56.11 | cirdan | aliasd |
| 03:56.47 | cirdan | you dont need mc_forwarding, but the rest are all 1, right? |
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| 03:57.15 | aliasd | yep |
| 03:57.41 | cirdan | hmm |
| 03:57.57 | cirdan | pretend you're on windows and reboot? ;-) |
| 03:58.00 | aliasd | heh |
| 03:58.14 | cirdan | there's no funky firewall rules going on? |
| 03:58.39 | aliasd | hmm... nothing too funky |
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| 03:59.47 | dmz | so no idea on caudium? |
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| 04:00.24 | aliasd | mabye it is something in my firewall config |
| 04:00.25 | Scrape | Could someone point me in the right direction for writing a simply IMAP client, as far as figuring out what's changed on the server? |
| 04:00.25 | drp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.33 | Scrape | s/simply/simple/ |
| 04:00.38 | cirdan | drp: try mencoder |
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| 04:01.06 | cirdan | Scrape: search for imap on cpan.org |
| 04:01.10 | aliasd | drp, there might be something in the transcode package |
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| 04:02.02 | Scrape | cirdan: I'm actually using Python rather than Perl, and I've found a suitable Python package; I just can't figure out what the normal way to figure out changes on the server. |
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| 04:05.55 | ^c | exit |
| 04:10.15 | ArtVandalae | Why is it that on some of my Linux machines fonts look like this: http://web.aanet.com.au/sneezebox/font/font2.jpg ? |
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| 04:13.19 | heath | I am trying to install grub, and I am getting this error: |
| 04:13.20 | heath | "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." |
| 04:13.22 | heath | What does that mean, and what can I do about it? |
| 04:13.29 | BucWheat | what dose 500 OOPS: cap_set_proc |
| 04:13.38 | BucWheat | mean ? i get that while trying to ftp into my debian box |
| 04:13.43 | BucWheat | i'm running vsftpd |
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| 04:13.53 | bob2 | BucWheat: did you build your kernel yourself? |
| 04:14.03 | BucWheat | bob2 yea with make_kpkg |
| 04:14.06 | shingouz | ArtVandalae: i don't see any problems with the fonts |
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| 04:14.30 | BucWheat | bob2 did i leave something out ? |
| 04:14.32 | ArtVandalae | shingouz, the spacing is off, some letters are thicker and darker than others. It looks strange. |
| 04:14.37 | bob2 | BucWheat: yes |
| 04:14.40 | bob2 | kernel capabilities |
| 04:14.52 | BucWheat | bob2 how so i didn't mess with any kernel bits |
| 04:15.01 | bob2 | ? |
| 04:15.05 | bob2 | you just said you built it yourself |
| 04:15.21 | BucWheat | ahh i see what you are saying |
| 04:15.28 | BucWheat | what capabilities did i disable ? |
| 04:15.41 | bob2 | "kernel capabilities" |
| 04:15.44 | bob2 | that's what it's called |
| 04:15.44 | gandy909 | shingouz, is there a howto on that local iso install, or some other doc? |
| 04:16.06 | BucWheat | bob2 what menu is it under in menuconfig ? |
| 04:16.14 | bob2 | I have no idea |
| 04:16.16 | shingouz | gandy909: local iso, does that mean you do not have the stuff on cd's at all? |
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| 04:17.04 | gandy909 | shingouz, correct, I just downloaded all the iso images and would rather not burn em if I can help it |
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| 04:17.23 | shingouz | gandy909: have a linux system running there already? |
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| 04:18.06 | BucWheat | this really sucks. i still can't figure out what is wrong with the syntax in my file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 04:18.14 | gandy909 | shingouz, yes, rh8 on hda1, all the isos on hda2, and plenty of free space on the rest of the drive |
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| 04:18.25 | bob2 | BucWheat: that's not related to your ftp problem |
| 04:18.30 | shingouz | BucWheat: paste in #flood? |
| 04:18.31 | BullWeivelz | do you have to put some special command into the boot line if your using SCSI hard drives? I am trying to get a Adaptec SCSI controller to work. I see it load up in dmesg, but the install won't see the stupid drives. |
| 04:18.54 | BucWheat | bob2 i know |
| 04:18.57 | BullWeivelz | im trying to use the Sarge installer, but have also tried bf2.4 with the same issues. |
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| 04:19.09 | shingouz | gandy909: in that case mount the isos with loop, and point apt to the mountpoint |
| 04:19.13 | bob2 | BucWheat: try #debian-boot |
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| 04:20.18 | gandy909 | shingouz, are you saying I can actually install woody on a drive while running in rh8? |
| 04:20.22 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: not really. you did check out the instructions on the bootmedia before you just blindly hit enter? |
| 04:21.03 | shingouz | gandy909: nope, you have to boot into debian and just mount the isos with loop and then point apt to them for the install. local files, you know? |
| 04:21.06 | BullWeivelz | shingouz: normaly i just hit enter ;) actualy I have never seen this issue before...i have installed on lots of scsi drives before. Just not sure why this one is being particularly a pain in the butt |
| 04:21.25 | BullWeivelz | i might need to go read dmesg again and see if any errors pop up or anything of that nature. |
| 04:21.31 | BucWheat | shingouz i'm in #flood |
| 04:21.39 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: read the docs, man. iirc some adaptecs wanted some option or other before they work |
| 04:22.19 | BucWheat | shingouz i've pasted my modprobe.d/file bits in #flood along with error |
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| 04:22.47 | shingouz | BucWheat: saw it... |
| 04:23.01 | gandy909 | shingouz, I guess then my question what is required of me to boot to that point? it would really be nice if somehow I could add some fort of grub entry to my current setup to mount the cd1 iso and boot it that way! :) |
| 04:23.17 | BullWeivelz | shingouz: alright cool. I will head over to the sarge installer and read those instructions and see what they have to say. Is it easy to setup software raid? We have 4 18G drives in this box and I am thinking of using them in a software raid 0 possible to make one large drive. I tried to get a Intel RAID controller card to work, but it was all messed up so oh well...I will just go with software raid if I can find an easy option to install it |
| 04:23.44 | shingouz | gandy909: floppies? ever thought of floppies? |
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| 04:24.05 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 04:24.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:24.17 | DFuzzy1 | if I plug in my external hd via usb2, will debian see it? if so, how do I access it? |
| 04:24.20 | BullWeivelz | dpkg: sarge installer |
| 04:24.20 | dpkg | BullWeivelz: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:24.23 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: software raid i have no idea, i only use hardware raid :) |
| 04:24.35 | shingouz | !d-i |
| 04:24.35 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 04:24.39 | gandy909 | shingouz, you know they have pretty much stopped including those things in new systems... |
| 04:24.57 | shingouz | gandy909: yes and is think it is a shame |
| 04:25.05 | shingouz | boot off the cd then |
| 04:25.20 | cirdan | BullWeivelz: maybe raid 5, in case one drive dies... |
| 04:25.42 | buu | Anyone happen to know how to make kqemu work under 2.6? It doesn't seem to compile the correct kernel module |
| 04:25.52 | BullWeivelz | cirdan: yeah i thought about doing raid 5... but i sure like that extra 18 gb of drive space :) |
| 04:26.21 | cirdan | BullWeivelz ...until one head crashes hard into the platter :-) |
| 04:26.27 | shingouz | BucWheat: you sure the module does not need some other settings too, irq, ioport, dma... those kinds of things? |
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| 04:26.38 | DFuzzy1 | if I plug in my external hd via usb2, will debian see it? if so, how do I access it? |
| 04:27.01 | BullWeivelz | yee o little faith ;) thats what backups are for ;) hehehe Its a email server, so your right. I might want to do raid 5...i just havent decided on that one yet though. Well email and billing and etc. |
| 04:27.03 | shingouz | gandy909: in anycase if you have a fastish connection, just download the sarge installer and do a network install |
| 04:27.17 | bob2 | DFuzzy1: if you're using 2.4 or 2.6, yes, but you'll need to mount it |
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| 04:27.41 | sa7ura73d | Hey could someone help me with a hard drive problem |
| 04:27.45 | DFuzzy1 | now for the noobish question: what's the syntax for the mount command? |
| 04:27.52 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: man mount |
| 04:27.53 | DFuzzy1 | or is it in the manpage? |
| 04:27.54 | gandy909 | shingouz, yarg, i didnt want to have to burn a cd, but if you are telling me I can get it done the 2 floppy way, then I can do that...fortunately I don't have a new system. |
| 04:27.55 | DFuzzy1 | ah. |
| 04:28.05 | bob2 | DFuzzy1: mount -t <filesystemtype> /dev/whatever /mnt/ |
| 04:28.27 | sa7ura73d | i have 2 40 gig and i have debian on one and i just wont to add the other to it would i need to use a raid card for this? |
| 04:28.38 | DFuzzy1 | what does filesystemtype refer to? |
| 04:28.53 | shingouz | gandy909: i think the netinstall can be done with a few floppies too and you do not need the cd images at all if you have the network |
| 04:29.15 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: things like ext3, reiserfs, fat |
| 04:29.19 | DFuzzy1 | ah |
| 04:29.24 | BucWheat | shingouz you forget about me? |
| 04:29.39 | gandy909 | shingouz, I already downloaded em all, so im gonna use em come hell o high water... :) |
| 04:29.39 | shingouz | BucWheat: nope |
| 04:29.42 | DFuzzy1 | it's ntfs, and I heard linux writing support for it was still experimental |
| 04:29.49 | shingouz | umm.. didnt i say anything BucWheat? |
| 04:30.04 | BucWheat | <shingouz> sec. lemme check it |
| 04:30.14 | bob2 | DFuzzy1: yeah, it will corrupt it |
| 04:30.18 | shingouz | BucWheat: scroll up a few lines, man :) |
| 04:30.23 | shingouz | BucWheat: you sure the module does not need some other settings too, irq, ioport, dma... those kinds of things? |
| 04:30.25 | DFuzzy1 | crud. |
| 04:30.25 | bob2 | DFuzzy1: unless you only modify the contents of existing files, and not their length |
| 04:30.34 | shingouz | BucWheat: or my previous line |
| 04:30.35 | DFuzzy1 | so I can't add files to the hd? |
| 04:30.45 | bob2 | correct |
| 04:30.47 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: if you have ntfs, dont |
| 04:30.59 | BucWheat | shingouz yea. if i remove my file in modprobe.d and just run modprobe cb_pcidas64 it loads fine |
| 04:31.10 | DFuzzy1 | I'd have to clean out the hd first and reformat it? |
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| 04:31.26 | dman13 | does anyone have a prismgt wireless card working with kernel 2.6.10? |
| 04:31.30 | BucWheat | shingouz i'm trying to get the module to load and then run the comedi_config command with its arguments |
| 04:31.33 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: if you have no free space there, you have to get some |
| 04:32.01 | DFuzzy1 | I do have free space there, but I'm wondering how I can reformat it without having to move everything off |
| 04:32.12 | DFuzzy1 | since I have more stuff on there than I have hd space on this laptop |
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| 04:32.14 | shingouz | BucWheat: i am a bit out of my depth here, i have not seen the seinfeld automagic on any computer so far :( |
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| 04:32.30 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: man mkfs |
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| 04:33.01 | cirdan | mkfs.xfs :-) |
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| 04:33.13 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: if oyu have partitions there you can format, that is. you have to have unused partitions on the drive to be able to format anything |
| 04:33.29 | gabaug | do I need all 7 .iso's of stable to intall it? |
| 04:33.31 | DFuzzy1 | it's probably just one big partition right now |
| 04:33.37 | BucWheat | shingouz where are the startup scripts located in debian ? i could just put my comedi_config line in a startup script |
| 04:33.37 | cirdan | gabaug: no |
| 04:33.45 | cirdan | just the 30M netinst |
| 04:33.48 | shingouz | BucWheat: /etc/init.d |
| 04:34.01 | dreammer_ | how does one stop & restart alsa -- the follow here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/11/msg00315.html --"/etc/init.d/alsa stop" "/etc/init.d/alsa start" doesn't do it??? |
| 04:34.03 | gabaug | cirdan: but w/o doing a netinstall, I need all 7? |
| 04:34.17 | shingouz | dreammer_: /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 04:34.25 | BucWheat | shingouz let me man init.d to get the syntax of creating a startup script |
| 04:34.29 | shingouz | dreammer_: as root... |
| 04:34.34 | cirdan | gabaug: depends on what you want to install |
| 04:34.35 | dman13 | gabaug: no, start with 1 and get the rest if you want any of the packages on those |
| 04:34.36 | bob2 | dreammer_: restarting alsa doesn't make much sense |
| 04:34.44 | cirdan | the base and most common packages are on cd 1 |
| 04:34.49 | gabaug | thanks guys |
| 04:35.08 | shingouz | gabaug: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 04:35.10 | dreammer_ | well someone told me to do that... http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg02579.html |
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| 04:35.24 | DFuzzy1 | so how do I use mkfs? it seems like it'll wipe out the hd in the process of making a new file system |
| 04:35.39 | cirdan | DFuzzy1: no, you wipe out the partition |
| 04:35.43 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: how have you partitioned the harddrive? |
| 04:35.55 | dreammer_ | ughh --the whole thing is such a drag... |
| 04:36.00 | DFuzzy1 | it just came as one big ntfs partition when we bought it |
| 04:36.20 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: you want to keep doze there? horrible thought |
| 04:36.21 | DFuzzy1 | ximeta netdisk 80 gig |
| 04:36.25 | octavious | debian noob here, how do i configure debian to not start xdm at start up |
| 04:36.35 | DFuzzy1 | no, I want to keep the stuff I already backed up on there |
| 04:36.36 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: partition magic |
| 04:37.22 | DFuzzy1 | so if I had a partition program, I could make 2 partitions, move my stuff to the linux-compatible partition, and then wipe out the old one? |
| 04:37.33 | dreammer_ | i'm going to try the windoze way--rebooting... |
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| 04:37.34 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: uhh... you want to keep backed up stuff on ntfs and still install a pure linux system? weird idea. get the backups off the hd completely and lose the ntfs completely |
| 04:37.54 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: yes, it would be possible |
| 04:37.54 | DFuzzy1 | I installed the linux system on my laptop |
| 04:38.04 | Kog | can't nix read <ntfs5.1? |
| 04:38.04 | DFuzzy1 | and I have personal stuff on my external |
| 04:38.06 | guestish | ntfs?? |
| 04:38.10 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: "the linux system" is what? |
| 04:38.11 | DFuzzy1 | since my laptop only has 28 gb |
| 04:38.17 | DFuzzy1 | debian |
| 04:38.20 | guestish | where'd you come up with backing up to ntfs??? |
| 04:38.22 | shingouz | Kog: read but writes are not safe |
| 04:38.26 | Kog | ahhh |
| 04:38.30 | DFuzzy1 | ximeta netdisks start out as ntfs |
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| 04:38.44 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: ximeta? |
| 04:38.48 | DFuzzy1 | it's a company |
| 04:38.50 | quittt | kill thefallen |
| 04:38.50 | guestish | never herad of it |
| 04:38.52 | guestish | heard of it* |
| 04:39.07 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: and the company makes toothbrushes? |
| 04:39.15 | DFuzzy1 | nope. |
| 04:39.18 | Kog | hahaha |
| 04:39.25 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: keep me guessing... |
| 04:39.36 | DFuzzy1 | ximeta makes external hard drives |
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| 04:39.51 | DFuzzy1 | if there's a joke, I fail to see it :/ |
| 04:39.58 | guestish | DFuzzy1: and you cant reformat why? |
| 04:40.10 | guestish | DFuzzy1: at least make it vfat, even thats better then ntfs on linux |
| 04:40.13 | DFuzzy1 | I already have around 35 gb of stuff on the external |
| 04:40.23 | kevinz | i want to use an "xv" command i have in fedora, but not in debian, what's the name of required package? |
| 04:40.30 | DFuzzy1 | and I can't really move all that to my laptop because I only have 20 gb left on it |
| 04:40.31 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: so you have an external hd there formatted as ntfs and debian on the laptop the external drive is supposed to connect to? |
| 04:40.31 | guestish | ntfs support on linux is fledgling at best, all thats done really is read support |
| 04:40.36 | DFuzzy1 | yes. |
| 04:40.36 | bob2 | kevinz: it's not in Debian |
| 04:40.42 | bob2 | since xv is both old, crap and non-free |
| 04:40.51 | kevinz | bob2: ah.. i see then :S |
| 04:40.52 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: burn a few cd's or dvd's? |
| 04:40.53 | Kog | won't Windows convert from NTFS->FAT or is it only the other way around? |
| 04:40.57 | guestish | DFuzzy1: dvds are always good |
| 04:41.02 | guestish | Kog: you're right |
| 04:41.06 | bob2 | kevinz: there are potato packages out there you can download |
| 04:41.06 | DFuzzy1 | if I had a dvd burner. |
| 04:41.06 | bbrazil | kevinz: try 'display' |
| 04:41.07 | Kog | on which account? |
| 04:41.09 | dondelelcaro | kevinz: if that's what you think you want, use xview |
| 04:41.10 | Kog | which way does it run? |
| 04:41.19 | shingouz | Kog: fat->ntfs |
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| 04:41.31 | Kog | oh well, it was worth a try heh |
| 04:41.36 | dreammer_ | grrr... didn't do anything |
| 04:41.50 | DFuzzy1 | having to burn everything to cd kind of defeats the purpose of an external hard drive. |
| 04:41.55 | c4__ | what was that program to transform .rpm files into .deb? |
| 04:41.56 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: and *all* the stuff on the external is absolutey irreplaceable? |
| 04:42.03 | DFuzzy1 | pretty much |
| 04:42.04 | Kog | c4__: alien? |
| 04:42.05 | bob2 | c4__: alien |
| 04:42.16 | guestish | DFuzzy1: how exactly are you expecting to use a ntfs drive in linux? |
| 04:42.40 | DFuzzy1 | that's why I'm asking the question here :) |
| 04:42.43 | kevinz | great, seems i have display and it works well, how to make a "xv" which is actually pointing to "display"? where to put the link? |
| 04:42.57 | c4__ | yes, alien! |
| 04:42.58 | DFuzzy1 | so it would be possible if I had a partition program? |
| 04:43.05 | dondelelcaro | kevinz: just alias xv display |
| 04:43.19 | dondelelcaro | s/xv dis/xv=dis/ |
| 04:43.21 | guestish | DFuzzy1: you have to reformat it, unless you want to use a slow crappy unmaintained system called captive |
| 04:43.24 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: mount the frigging thing on the debian, move the stuff off to some other drive over the network, burn it on a cd-rw or something. nuke the ntfs with cfdisk and reformat to something useable then move the backups back to the external |
| 04:43.31 | dondelelcaro | kevinz: add that to your .bashrc or whatever you're using |
| 04:43.58 | shingouz | DFuzzy1: maybe with partition magic or something like that |
| 04:44.05 | guestish | DFuzzy1: partitioning programs would just wipe the data |
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| 04:44.11 | kevinz | dondelelcaro: ah cool, thanks, why not put "alias" in .bashrc?? |
| 04:44.16 | F-Lelo | Hello folks. In what package can I find apache-modconf ? |
| 04:44.20 | guestish | DFuzzy1: /msg captivefs |
| 04:44.28 | guestish | DFuzzy1: er, /msg dpkg captivefs |
| 04:44.30 | dondelelcaro | kevinz: uh, that's what I said. |
| 04:44.37 | guestish | F-Lelo: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 04:44.41 | pingouin | in my ps aux i got an : 2157/rpc.statd from what service it is ? |
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| 04:44.53 | guestish | bah |
| 04:44.54 | guestish | !captive |
| 04:44.54 | dpkg | methinks captive is The first free NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 04:45.02 | guestish | it uses wine to emulate, but its slow |
| 04:45.05 | guestish | really slow |
| 04:45.11 | shingouz | and fugly |
| 04:45.11 | niptac | what kernel vrsion does ubuntu come with? |
| 04:45.15 | F-Lelo | thanks guestish |
| 04:45.17 | cirdan | heh |
| 04:45.25 | guestish | niptac: ask in #ubuntu |
| 04:45.27 | niptac | sorry guys |
| 04:45.27 | shingouz | !topicsmite niptac |
| 04:45.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon niptac. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:45.35 | dondelelcaro | free? hah |
| 04:45.49 | guestish | its total crap... |
| 04:45.51 | niptac | ;-) |
| 04:45.52 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: captive =~ s/free/kind of free if you squint/ |
| 04:45.52 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 04:46.04 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 04:46.09 | dreammer_ | stupid question--- does 'alsa-base' have to be installed to use alsa modules? |
| 04:46.14 | bob2 | no |
| 04:46.22 | Kog | dpkg has regex support? what type of bot is that? |
| 04:46.23 | dpkg | Kog: that's too long |
| 04:46.25 | guestish | dreammer_: its useful if you want to use it |
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| 04:46.29 | bob2 | if you're using a vaguely modern kernel, don't waste your time with the alsa crap |
| 04:46.33 | bob2 | load the modules |
| 04:46.34 | bob2 | enjo |
| 04:46.37 | dondelelcaro | !what are you |
| 04:46.37 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 04:46.49 | guestish | has that alsaconf tool doesnt it? |
| 04:46.55 | Kog | ahh... so it's not ricky clarkson's javabot heh |
| 04:46.57 | bob2 | what do you need that for? |
| 04:47.05 | guestish | the new modules dont need configuring? |
| 04:47.08 | guestish | thats cool |
| 04:47.16 | bob2 | when did they ever need configuring? |
| 04:47.23 | shingouz | guestish: all i have managed to do with alsaconf has been to fsck up the setups i have tried to use it on :( |
| 04:47.25 | dreammer_ | the sound seems to be such a mess on my computer... have both emu10k1 and snd_emu10k1 |
| 04:47.28 | johnsu01 | I've been unable to get framebuffer to work with an ATI Rage Mobility card. Have CONFIG_FB and CONFIG_FB_ATY compiled into a 2.6.8 kernel, but no error, no fb. |
| 04:47.28 | shingouz | guestish: modconf :) |
| 04:47.46 | kevinz | dondelelcaro: sorry, seems what i need is to call xv in c++ program, so i guess alias can not work |
| 04:47.55 | shingouz | dreammer_: you still have oss stuff there then. get it off if you want to run alsa |
| 04:47.56 | guestish | bob2: the uh, modutils file? |
| 04:48.01 | bob2 | guestish: why? |
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| 04:48.09 | dondelelcaro | kevinz: oh, then ln /usr/bin/display /usr/bin/xv -s |
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| 04:48.14 | guestish | bob2: i dont know |
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| 04:48.23 | bob2 | guestish: if it's PCI, you load the module and it goes |
| 04:48.32 | guestish | bob2: good thing to know |
| 04:48.39 | johnsu01 | I can get the framebuffer (and the boot penguin) with the VGA16 fb option, but can't change the resolution, and get some funky northern lights when switching between VCs. |
| 04:48.46 | dondelelcaro | kevinz: the latter is generally not the best idea, because xv isn't really xv, and you can't change what xv does on a per-user basis. |
| 04:48.47 | BucWheat | what is the name of the window manager that is extremly lightweight and it starts up with an xterm ? |
| 04:48.50 | dreammer_ | is debian smart enough to do that...? i mean are the oss packages uninstall automagically when one installs alsa... so does one get a big mess? |
| 04:48.59 | dondelelcaro | well, you can, but it's not ideal. |
| 04:48.59 | bob2 | dreammer_: there are no "oss packages" |
| 04:49.00 | chugga | !smart |
| 04:49.00 | dpkg | from memory, smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 04:49.05 | bob2 | dreammer_: all you need to do is load the ALSA modules at boot |
| 04:49.17 | kevinz | dondelelcaro: oh, i see, thanks |
| 04:49.36 | dreammer_ | bob2: what is 'alsa-base" ? |
| 04:49.51 | nvz | bug hunting is tiresome :P |
| 04:50.00 | shingouz | flyswatter? |
| 04:50.03 | nvz | heh |
| 04:50.14 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's why you should always stock large quantities of jolt |
| 04:50.26 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I need to goto the store I guess |
| 04:50.40 | dreammer_ | bob2: there is that package... and a whole bunch of modules packages |
| 04:50.54 | bob2 | dreammer_: if you're using 2.6 you don't need any module packages |
| 04:50.55 | johnsu01 | So, after booting, I try 'fbset', and get /dev/fb0 No such device. |
| 04:50.57 | shingouz | why can't we get kegs of jolt delivered.... |
| 04:51.06 | F-Lelo | apt-file stands quit for a lot of time when I do the apt-file update... what can I do to solve it? It just does not update... |
| 04:51.24 | nvz | I havent found anything yet.. I am about to get the old source. Try get this problem to surface |
| 04:51.27 | guestish | F-Lelo: you gotta wait for the thing to time out iirc, you can try doing ^C |
| 04:51.30 | shingouz | F-Lelo: you install stuff with apt-get |
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| 04:51.51 | BullWeivelz | well...i am thinking the scsi drives are screwed :( keeps saying something about "parity error detected in in-phase" every now and again |
| 04:51.52 | guestish | apt-file searches for it... |
| 04:51.54 | F-Lelo | thanks guestish... |
| 04:52.06 | Kog | dondelelcaro: they don't seem to sell jolt in too many places any more |
| 04:52.16 | Kog | dondelelcaro: and I really would like to find some |
| 04:52.18 | F-Lelo | shingouz: I'm not trying to install stuff, I'm trying to update it so I can find out witch package has libapache-mod-php4 ! |
| 04:52.21 | F-Lelo | case I need this package |
| 04:52.24 | F-Lelo | ops |
| 04:52.28 | Kog | dondelelcaro: as you can tell... I cry myself to sleep every night |
| 04:52.30 | guestish | heh, thats the idea |
| 04:52.46 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: how about once the installer can see the adaptec, you just dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 04:52.50 | F-Lelo | wich package has apache-modconf |
| 04:52.51 | johnsu01 | I've also tried various append "video=atyfb" options in the lilo stanza, but that doesn't seem to matter. vga=ask shows only the basic vga modes. |
| 04:53.05 | dreammer_ | i'm just confused by the fact that someone told me to edit my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa file... and i don't have one |
| 04:53.20 | nvz | Kog: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/5f35/ |
| 04:53.45 | bob2 | F-Lelo: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 04:53.52 | bob2 | dreammer_: ignore them |
| 04:54.01 | F-Lelo | bob2: I searched there and had no answer |
| 04:54.12 | rfauth | hello |
| 04:54.14 | BullWeivelz | shingouz: uhh...i dont think the installer can see it. It pulls up and says something about no media available to partition....even though it sees it in the dmesg. And it appears to load it in the installer as well :( Hrmm...is it possible trying to only search on the IDE side for a drive i wonder? |
| 04:54.15 | bob2 | F-Lelo: then it's not in Debian |
| 04:54.23 | Kog | nvz: it just ain't the same as going to a gas station |
| 04:54.26 | Kog | nvz: you know? |
| 04:54.27 | F-Lelo | bob2: it is... |
| 04:54.32 | F-Lelo | woody |
| 04:54.35 | nvz | Kog: heh |
| 04:54.55 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: what ide side? you sure you have the scsi id's correct there? |
| 04:55.02 | shingouz | and terminators |
| 04:55.08 | reNegad3 | anyone know what that live backround thing is called for your desktop?? it has things like cpu ussage blah blah blah |
| 04:55.27 | johnsu01 | reNegad3: gkrellm ? |
| 04:55.36 | reNegad3 | ive got gkrellm |
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| 04:55.50 | BullWeivelz | shingouz: Yeppers...or so I think... i went in using the ctrl-a and going into the scsi controller and low level formated each of the drives. That process did not report any errors...maybe I should go back and verify the media using that same process |
| 04:55.51 | reNegad3 | but its more embeded into the desktop |
| 04:55.58 | nvz | I think I should make a run for caffine and food before it gets too late, then come back and squash some bugs.. I got a few that have been bugging me lately |
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| 04:56.15 | rfauth | anyone have problems installing a custom kernel to a sarge install with 2.6 kernel? VFS error in particular |
| 04:56.20 | Kog | nvz: I'm about to order me some pizza |
| 04:56.23 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: you already filled them with zeros then. hmm. |
| 04:56.30 | guestish | ??? |
| 04:56.36 | reNegad3 | heres an example http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=20954&file1=20954-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Minmax+%28Min+CPU+usage+Max+Information%29 |
| 04:56.44 | Kog | rfauth: my sarge install didn't let me select my kernel... I gotta go grab a 2.6 later |
| 04:56.49 | nvz | Kog: I think I got like $7 so I was thinking 12pk soda, and something from sonic maybe :P |
| 04:56.52 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: did you google on the adaptec? |
| 04:56.53 | Kog | cause I'm 2.4.27 :( |
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| 04:57.03 | ReKleSS | Hi all |
| 04:57.03 | reNegad3 | Kog you have to use a boot option |
| 04:57.06 | Kog | nvz: dude, I live 4 miles outside of the nearest civilization |
| 04:57.08 | reNegad3 | same thing happend to me |
| 04:57.14 | guestish | looks like a gdesklet |
| 04:57.15 | rfauth | Kpg: linux26 |
| 04:57.16 | BullWeivelz | shingouz: yeah but that was with the adaptec controller and not debian. Yeah I am searching google right now...nothing positive is coming up :( |
| 04:57.20 | Kog | reNegad3: well... I got deb up, so I'm gonna grab the kernel later |
| 04:57.25 | reNegad3 | Kog, use 'linux26' for the boot option |
| 04:57.28 | ReKleSS | I'm trying to make my sparcstation load the 2.4.17(?) kernel, but it complains that the uncompressed image is too big |
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| 04:57.31 | Kog | little late for that now heh |
| 04:57.32 | reNegad3 | ohh well |
| 04:57.35 | ReKleSS | anyone know how ho make this work? |
| 04:57.35 | Kog | yeah |
| 04:57.36 | shingouz | BullWeivelz: you just need the names of the modules you need |
| 04:57.50 | rfauth | just apt-get the 2.6 kernel image |
| 04:58.13 | rfauth | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.23 | phorce1 | Why the fnork would I not be able to delete a file that is rw-rw-r-- root somegroup if I *AM* a member of "somegroup" (but not logged in as root)? |
| 04:58.24 | F-Lelo | hah |
| 04:58.27 | guestish | KSirc? yuck |
| 04:58.33 | F-Lelo | I just did apt-get clean and autoclean and it worked =) |
| 04:58.51 | F-Lelo | now I have this problem: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache-mod-php4.prerm: apache-modconf: command not found |
| 04:58.54 | Kog | rfauth: yeah... gonna finish with Gnome, boot into 2k then go back and apt-get it |
| 04:59.03 | guestish | doesnt the exec bit need to be set for unlinking? |
| 04:59.13 | nvz | Kog: oh well, I live in Lake Dallas, though there are 2 sonic drive-in's and many other things around, I would say any town in texas is pretty far from the definition of civilization :P |
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| 04:59.38 | Kog | nvz: currently Oly, Washington |
| 04:59.40 | phorce1 | doesn't the write bit give delete priveledges (sp?)? |
| 04:59.41 | Kog | nvz: in the sticks |
| 04:59.54 | Kog | nvz: could hit the nearest gas station, but no Jolt |
| 04:59.54 | guestish | dunno |
| 05:00.01 | Kog | nvz: and I actually like the taste of jolt |
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| 05:00.24 | dondelelcaro | Kog: you can order it online, apparently... |
| 05:00.27 | phorce1 | guestish: If exec were required then everything on the file system xould have to be "x" to delete anything at all. |
| 05:00.28 | F-Lelo | what can I do if I receive a "/var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache-mod-php4.prerm: apache-modconf: command not found" ? I looked for apache-modconf everywhere and I can't find it.. can't I remove libapache-mod-php4 without having apache-modconf? I need php4 installed :/ |
| 05:00.30 | Kog | nvz: caffine has no effect on me tho |
| 05:00.44 | guestish | phorce1: true enough i suppose |
| 05:00.48 | Kog | dondelelcaro: I just went over that dude... it's alright though, I should drink less soda anyway |
| 05:00.52 | Kog | 20oz = 250 calories |
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| 05:00.52 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I gave him a url to thinkgeek :P they sell jolt drinks, gum, candy |
| 05:00.53 | shingouz | look what you have done, i have to go raid the refrig just to get some coke. grr. |
| 05:01.06 | BucWheat | my server has this card S3 Graphics UniChrome™ 2D/3D Graphics and i chose S3 during x setup and when i run startx i get No screens found |
| 05:01.08 | guestish | phorce1: though a good amount of the time you usually either own the directory or are the owner of the file |
| 05:01.13 | BucWheat | where did i mess up? |
| 05:01.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: oh, didn't see jolt there... that link you had was only jolt gum and bawls |
| 05:01.22 | Kog | shingouz: don't drink coke... not only does it taste ass nasty, but they murder columbians |
| 05:01.26 | shingouz | BucWheat: you didnt configre the screens |
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| 05:01.38 | shingouz | Kog: beats pepsi |
| 05:01.50 | rfauth | Pepsi Rules! |
| 05:01.52 | ArtVandalae | I just purchased a 512Mb RAM stick, but the system only reads it as 480Mb, what's going on? |
| 05:01.55 | shingouz | Kog: and i only use the sloshy kind... |
| 05:01.58 | BucWheat | shingouz how do i configure the screens ? i thoght that was done in the setup |
| 05:02.02 | guestish | ArtVandalae: get a refund :) |
| 05:02.04 | dondelelcaro | oh no... we are not doing cola wars in here. |
| 05:02.04 | Kog | shingouz: the taste factor is an agree to disagree, but coca cola still hires mercenary groups to murder union leaders in Columbia |
| 05:02.22 | Kog | shingouz: read up on it some time |
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| 05:02.26 | shingouz | BucWheat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:02.35 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh I guess so, I didnt look that close. I just flipped to it real quick, then went back to the bts to finish reading the bug for clues |
| 05:02.40 | phorce1 | guestish: It's my web setup. A few files are owned by root. I need my "superuser" to have the ability to upload/delete/modify files in all web directories (I have virtual set up) so I have a user that is part of the "web" group. |
| 05:02.44 | rfauth | anyone running Xorg? |
| 05:02.45 | hope22 | ArtVandalae: maybe it is got to do with video shared memory? |
| 05:03.00 | shingouz | Kog: fortunately pepsi doesnt do anything like that |
| 05:03.01 | hope22 | ArtVandalae: 32 MB, does it match? |
| 05:03.04 | zOap | hey, is there any good mac os emaulators for linux? I need to run a program for mac os 9 on my linux box... |
| 05:03.10 | dreammer_ | how can one excluded the oss modules? -- i have the feeling i have both the oss and alsa module loaded... which doesn't make sense |
| 05:03.32 | phorce1 | guestish: apparently I was root (su -) when I created the "holding pattern" index.html in that particular folder (and probably the others too). |
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| 05:03.36 | shingouz | dreammer_: check /etc/modules |
| 05:03.45 | rfauth | lsmod |
| 05:03.46 | Kog | zOap: I don't know if basilisk works on nix, but that might be useful |
| 05:04.09 | zOap | Kog, basilisk? does it come with a debian package? |
| 05:04.28 | dreammer_ | neither of the modules are there |
| 05:04.43 | Kog | zOap: no idea, I just remember hearing people talking about BasiliskII |
| 05:04.51 | Kog | you'll need an OS9 CD for it |
| 05:04.53 | phorce1 | who knows where the docs for what file permissions actually allow are located? Is it perhaps that root is a special case and no one but root can delete files owned by root even if they are a member of the group the file is owned by? |
| 05:04.53 | shingouz | dreammer_: what did your lsmod say? paste in flood please |
| 05:04.54 | zOap | Kog, thanx I 'll try it |
| 05:04.55 | nvz | I got 3 workspaces configured now in sawfish, one for my desktop that runs a desktop at -4 depth click-focus, one that runs a psuedotransparent aterm with screen at 16 depth ignored and skipped with enter-exit focus and the other is similar but runs links2 -g, now.. so It seems to be handy to have things here I can get to them easily |
| 05:05.05 | guestish | phorce1: try man chmod |
| 05:05.08 | Kog | zOap: hopefully it works |
| 05:05.23 | BucWheat | shingouz i get no device attached. i have on-board video |
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| 05:05.46 | shingouz | BucWheat: hm |
| 05:06.07 | BucWheat | shingouz lspci -v shows this for vid. card |
| 05:06.08 | BucWheat | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 05:06.23 | chugga | BucWheat, whats going on? |
| 05:06.33 | BucWheat | trying to get X up and running |
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| 05:06.44 | nvz | I've just about mastered running the new versions of gnome without the session manager, or megashitty and get everything to work properly including themes. |
| 05:06.53 | guestish | phorce1: you have to have write access to the directory to delete a file |
| 05:06.58 | shingouz | BucWheat: i think i'll have to pass on the joys of configuring X at the moment |
| 05:07.03 | rfauth | quick poll: what window manager are you using? |
| 05:07.05 | phorce1 | guest: I do |
| 05:07.05 | guestish | phorce1: so you have to be in the group in the directory in order to do it |
| 05:07.06 | turkey_jo | can anyone give me a hand with the installation of debian??? |
| 05:07.06 | BucWheat | shingouz heh |
| 05:07.12 | phorce1 | guestish: I do |
| 05:07.15 | nvz | rfauth: sawfish |
| 05:07.24 | chugga | BucWheat, cool, um, if u got a fast connection boot off knoppix or something, save the autoconfigured X file and trim it down at leasure (from X hopefully) |
| 05:07.25 | guestish | phorce1: the directory has to have write access for you, and the sticky bit must be off |
| 05:07.26 | dondelelcaro | turkey_jo: just ask your question |
| 05:07.31 | guestish | phorce1: paste the permissions of the directory |
| 05:07.36 | chugga | BucWheat, what errors are you getting/ |
| 05:07.37 | dreammer_ | shingouz: -- dreammer_: what did your lsmod say? paste in flood please ========= it is there now |
| 05:07.37 | guestish | phorce1: in fact paste the whole ls line |
| 05:07.42 | BucWheat | chugga no device found |
| 05:07.45 | phorce1 | guestish: I found it though. Stinkin stick bit is set on all the web directories. <sigh> |
| 05:07.54 | guestish | that'll so ir |
| 05:07.55 | phorce1 | s/stick/sticky |
| 05:07.58 | guestish | it |
| 05:08.04 | guestish | sticky bit will do that |
| 05:08.13 | rfauth | any fluxbox fans out there? |
| 05:08.19 | Kog | fb! |
| 05:08.53 | mikkele | rfauth: I used it for a long time but I switched to openbox |
| 05:08.59 | phorce1 | guestish: supposed to have been the setID bit. I screwed up my numbers when setting up the directories. |
| 05:09.02 | shingouz | dreammer_: yea, saw it but i cannot see anything looking like OSS stuff there. amixer might need a few tweaks, check you have playback enabled there |
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| 05:09.22 | rfauth | mikkele:what made you switch? |
| 05:09.27 | guestish | phorce1: heh |
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| 05:09.53 | mikkele | rfauth: I don't like the fluxbox taskbar |
| 05:09.55 | phorce1 | that would also be why all the files keep getting created with the user ID of my upload user rather than as root www-data |
| 05:10.09 | mikkele | rfauth: I just lived with it |
| 05:10.19 | dreammer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.20 | BucWheat | chugga what is a good mirror to dl knoppix from ? |
| 05:10.29 | chugga | BucWheat, your isp - check there first |
| 05:10.36 | chugga | BucWheat, or use bittorrent |
| 05:10.40 | shingouz | dreammer_: true, could be |
| 05:10.43 | BucWheat | chugga seems like everyone from knoppix.com is all slowwwww |
| 05:10.43 | mikkele | rfauth: plus openbox has a few features I like |
| 05:10.46 | rfauth | !google openbox |
| 05:10.54 | chugga | BucWheat, yeah, hmm. |
| 05:10.55 | dpkg | Google says openbox is at http://icculus.org/openbox/ or http://icculus.org/openbox/2/ or http://icculus.org/openbox/obconf/ or http://www.openbox.com/ or http://www.openbox.cl/home.php |
| 05:10.55 | BucWheat | chugga i doubt sbc hosts knoppix heh |
| 05:11.00 | dreammer_ | i don't understand why i have both... |
| 05:11.24 | shingouz | dreammer_: did you check in /etc/modules for it too? if it is there, comment it out and modprobe -r emu10k1 |
| 05:11.35 | F-Lelo | Hello? |
| 05:11.42 | dreammer_ | it isn't in /etc/modules |
| 05:11.56 | chugga | BucWheat, you never know :) |
| 05:11.57 | F-Lelo | what can I do if I receive this msg: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache-mod-php4.prerm: apache-modconf: command not found" ? I looked for apache-modconf everywhere and I can't find it.. can't I remove libapache-mod-php4 without having apache-modconf? I need php4 installed :/ |
| 05:11.58 | mikkele | rfauth: I also like that the openbox config files are xml |
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| 05:12.10 | dreammer_ | i can't remove it... it is in use |
| 05:12.18 | BucWheat | well i'm off to d/l knoppix and hit the bed |
| 05:12.23 | rfauth | dell SB Live driver is emu10k1x, took me long time to find that out |
| 05:12.23 | BucWheat | i shall return tomorrow ;) |
| 05:12.25 | shingouz | dreammer_: /etc/modprobe.d/ then? any file with such a name there? |
| 05:12.34 | chugga | BucWheat, good luck, see you then |
| 05:12.38 | dreammer_ | interesting is the snd_emu10k1 ... let itself be removed... |
| 05:12.48 | BucSLEEP | and thanks all for all of the help |
| 05:12.49 | BucSLEEP | night |
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| 05:13.49 | turkey_jo | i need help with the installation..I have the partitioning done and that is it. |
| 05:15.08 | turkey_jo | can anyone help |
| 05:15.19 | dreammer_ | shingouz: didn't find anything in /etc/modprobe.d/ with --> # grep emu * -R |
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| 05:15.48 | rfauth | turkeyjoe: ask |
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| 05:16.21 | c4_ | how do i load fglrx module first? |
| 05:16.22 | shingouz | dreammer_: i am getting a bit stumped then |
| 05:17.06 | turkeyjoe | can someone plz help me with the debian installation, i have the partitioning done and thats it. thanks |
| 05:17.20 | dreammer_ | shingouz: where else are modules loaded from...? |
| 05:17.58 | mikkele | turkeyjoe: just follow the installation manual. have you got a specific problem or are you just to lazy to read? |
| 05:18.09 | dreammer_ | F-Lelo: is apache running? |
| 05:18.12 | c4_ | how do i load this first?: [fglrx:firegl_stub_register] *ERROR* Fire GL kernel module has to be loaded prior to any other DRM kernel module! |
| 05:18.27 | shingouz | dreammer_: /etc/modules.conf (which gets recreated from /etc/modprobe.d afaik) |
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| 05:19.12 | turkeyjoe | no specific problem...however, what cd's should i dl?? |
| 05:19.41 | rfauth | turkeyjoe: do you have broadband connection? |
| 05:19.45 | turkeyjoe | yes |
| 05:19.48 | shingouz | !tell turkeyjoe about d-i |
| 05:19.56 | dreammer_ | shingouz: i so lost on this... just did---> /etc# grep emu10k * -R <--- that should find every 'emu10k' in the /etc directory.... doesn't find anything (with the exception of some binary files) |
| 05:20.28 | shingouz | dreammer_: i am lost too :( |
| 05:20.29 | rfauth | just do a net install |
| 05:20.32 | c4_ | i'm die-ing |
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| 05:21.08 | dreammer_ | c4_: hey me too... it is part of life |
| 05:21.10 | turkeyjoe | how can i go about doing this??? |
| 05:21.24 | c4_ | hehe |
| 05:21.42 | rfauth | are you installing sarge? |
| 05:21.53 | mikkele | turkeyjoe: please read the instruction at debian.org. it's all there |
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| 05:22.05 | turkeyjoe | which one would you recommend?? |
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| 05:24.11 | mousex | hi, there! how do I force a module NOT to load at boot time? (I'm not sure if I'm running hotplug) |
| 05:24.24 | jstevens | blacklist it |
| 05:24.29 | mousex | how? |
| 05:24.33 | mousex | what file? |
| 05:24.34 | rfauth | turkeyjoe: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=230 |
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| 05:25.14 | rfauth | turkeyjoe: enjoy Debian |
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| 05:25.25 | jstevens | mousex, /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 05:25.45 | jstevens | mousex, just add the module to the end of the file |
| 05:25.46 | chealer | !blacklist |
| 05:25.46 | dpkg | it has been said that blacklist is <directhex> to stop modules from being loaded at boot time, add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or <greycat> and don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules |
| 05:26.01 | mousex | jstevens: thanks! |
| 05:26.29 | AwesomeMachine | Why do I keep getting kernel panic tried to kill init |
| 05:27.06 | dreammer_ | shingouz: looks like i might have something --- http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/alsa.html |
| 05:27.07 | mousex | AwesomeMachine: initrd, maybe? |
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| 05:27.28 | AwesomeMachine | how do you fix initrd? |
| 05:28.00 | mousex | AwesomeMachine: I mean, do you have an initrd.img in /boot ? |
| 05:28.31 | mousex | AwesomeMachine: or "init=/initrd.img" in /etc/lilo.conf or /etc/grub.conf |
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| 05:28.57 | AwesomeMachine | yes |
| 05:29.06 | mousex | jstevens, any idea why usbcore would be blacklisted by default? |
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| 05:29.38 | mousex | AwesomeMachine: then I don't know what it could be going wrong . . . :( Did you compile your own kernel? upgrade it? |
| 05:30.19 | AwesomeMachine | I try to install 2.6.8 image and then 2.4.27 messes up |
| 05:30.29 | AwesomeMachine | i want both |
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| 05:31.14 | jstevens | mousex, no clue |
| 05:31.24 | mousex | AwesomeMachine: do you have a separate entry for each in lilo/grub? |
| 05:31.30 | mousex | jstevens, . . . |
| 05:31.34 | AwesomeMachine | yes |
| 05:31.53 | AwesomeMachine | they both come up on the boot menu |
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| 05:32.11 | jstevens | AwesomeMachine, lilo or grub? |
| 05:32.17 | AwesomeMachine | grub |
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| 05:32.40 | Maxito | Hi everyone ! I'd like to know if there is any concerning the bug #293194, dealing with hotplug hanging during boot |
| 05:32.46 | jstevens | AwesomeMachine, so you have 4 entries on your grub menu? |
| 05:32.48 | Maxito | any news |
| 05:32.56 | mousex | AwesomeMachine: I don't know anything about grub . . . just lilo |
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| 05:33.00 | AwesomeMachine | yes |
| 05:33.34 | AwesomeMachine | lilo ate my cat |
| 05:33.43 | mousex | jstevens, do I need to run discover or hotplug or another program after configuring /etc/hotplug/blacklist and /etc/discover.conf??? |
| 05:33.54 | disasm | AwesomeMachine: what dev are you using? if it's udev, i know that will cause problems with your 2.4 kernel |
| 05:34.06 | dreammer_ | AwesomeMachine: lilo must have been hungry, you know been feeding lilo? :) |
| 05:34.17 | c4_ | how do i load this first?: [fglrx:firegl_stub_register] *ERROR* Fire GL kernel module has to be loaded prior to any other DRM kernel module! |
| 05:34.23 | AwesomeMachine | never feed lilo |
| 05:34.31 | c4_ | the module is fglrx |
| 05:34.34 | dreammer_ | AwesomeMachine: lilo must have been hungry, you not been feeding lilo? :) (wishes they could type) |
| 05:34.40 | AwesomeMachine | I don't know if it is udev or not |
| 05:34.46 | jstevens | mousex, nope, should just simply read the file. no need to run any program to make it take effect |
| 05:34.48 | dreammer_ | AwesomeMachine: grub is better... |
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| 05:34.59 | jstevens | mousex, that's something lilo would want :-) |
| 05:35.01 | rfauth | c4_: did you look in your /etc/modules |
| 05:35.03 | dreammer_ | AwesomeMachine: (I learned that the hard way) |
| 05:35.24 | AwesomeMachine | I started with SuSE and grub |
| 05:35.52 | AwesomeMachine | SuSE is kind of feminine linux |
| 05:35.53 | disasm | heh heh heh, i remotely switched the boot loader on a server from lilo to grub this morning, and when it rebooted, it didn't come back up, I must have broke something... |
| 05:35.56 | mousex | jstevens: :) |
| 05:36.08 | dreammer_ | if you update the kernel with the debian packages... grub takes care of everything |
| 05:36.21 | c4_ | rfauth: yes, but if i have something compiled IN the kernel? should i recompile or can i change that some way? |
| 05:36.28 | dreammer_ | anyhoo... i'm going to reboot... will be interesting to see if i still have sound... |
| 05:36.32 | AwesomeMachine | I did just install the image fdrom dpkg |
| 05:36.40 | jstevens | AwesomeMachine, past what is between ## ## End Default Options ## and ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST int #flood |
| 05:36.46 | disasm | well, sorta... you have to add 4 lines to your kernel-img.conf |
| 05:37.11 | disasm | or just run update-grub manually |
| 05:37.17 | rfauth | c4_: sry, above my head there, maybe someone else knows the answer to that |
| 05:37.40 | AwesomeMachine | I know that's where the entries are, but the kernels are starting, they just won't finish |
| 05:37.40 | jstevens | AwesomeMachine, Paste, not past ... into, not int |
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| 05:38.14 | mousex | anyone having problems with artsd (sid)? It keeps on freezing . . . but esd works fine; so does xmms with the oss plug in. |
| 05:38.18 | c4_ | rfauth: just change the order in /etc/modules? and how does modconf know about that module or do i create a script to load it in /etc/init.d ?? |
| 05:38.33 | disasm | c4_: i've never tried running any drm module, but I would guess you need to patch your kernel before compiling to get the module, then make && make modules_install |
| 05:38.59 | disasm | assuming its a 2.6 kernel |
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| 05:39.13 | c4_ | disasm: yes, ok |
| 05:39.30 | c4_ | disasm: and to load a module first ? |
| 05:39.40 | c4_ | at first |
| 05:39.46 | AwesomeMachine | how do you use those automagic kernel options? |
| 05:39.51 | c4_ | disasm: before any other |
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| 05:40.38 | phorce1 | OK, now I'm really confused. chmod 6665 on a directory that is root www-data gets me permission denied when trying to CD as anyone but root. That should be SetGID SetUID rwxrwxr-x (which shows as drwSrwSr-x) |
| 05:40.55 | ^Ocean^ | Hey, if If I wanna copy a DVD, can I just make an image of it, and burn it to another dvd ? |
| 05:41.04 | jstevens | phorce1, 6665 ? :-) |
| 05:41.14 | c4_ | ^Ocean^: yes |
| 05:41.17 | archpollux | hullo |
| 05:41.22 | phorce1 | Oh crap --- 6775 |
| 05:41.23 | archpollux | would anyone know why an ivtv tv tuner would make two players crash (mplayer, xawtv) and not play anything in a 3rd one (vlc)? |
| 05:41.47 | mousex | archpollux, is it suppossed to be supported? |
| 05:41.48 | jstevens | phorce1, why 4 numbers ??? |
| 05:41.52 | phorce1 | that fixed it |
| 05:42.00 | disasm | you mean on bootup? you probably have to check your mudutils and modules.conf config files, i don't have any experience editing those, because if you put it in your /etc/modules config file I don't think that'll give it priority over ALL modules |
| 05:42.10 | ^Ocean^ | c4: best way to make an Image of the DVD ? |
| 05:42.15 | disasm | err, thats modutils |
| 05:42.17 | archpollux | mousex: yes, drivers load and work... the remote that comes with it works and i can use it |
| 05:42.26 | archpollux | mousex: ...with LIRC |
| 05:42.29 | mousex | sorry, go to go . . . |
| 05:42.36 | phorce1 | jstevens: Telling it I want all files created in those folders to be "root www-data" (user/group) regardles of who creates them. |
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| 05:43.20 | WiFiTux | Is there a project, or a search engine so that I can search things into my own site... |
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| 05:43.37 | WiFiTux | including ftp and http... also folders if posible |
| 05:43.39 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 05:43.43 | disasm | ^Ocean^: as long as it's a legal dvd thats already 4.7 gig that should work, if it's illegal, well can't really help ya, but it won't fit, because regular dvd's are double layer |
| 05:43.48 | phorce1 | now I have to do that recursively to a LOT of farking files and folders. 6775 for directories and 0664 for files |
| 05:44.05 | jstevens | phorce1, -R |
| 05:44.24 | ^Ocean^ | disasm, im pritty sure its a legal dvd, and its only 2.9 gig |
| 05:44.46 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 05:44.50 | disasm | ^Ocean^: then i assume imaging it would do the trick |
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| 05:45.03 | anakin_a | Is it safe/easy(ish) to upgrade from sarge to sid? |
| 05:45.05 | phorce1 | jstevens: -R is what screwed me in the first place. heh -- it does EVERYTHING the same and I need files/folders to be different. Don't want 'x' set on all the files. |
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| 05:45.56 | disasm | anakin_a: depends on what day you do it, i suggest installing apt-listbugs before attempting |
| 05:45.57 | phorce1 | jstevens: I was working on changing file permissions all to 664 and ended up whacking the directories -- then I tried to set the directories back and whacked all the files. |
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| 05:46.11 | jstevens | phorce1, got ya... too bad you cant unchmod ... |
| 05:46.31 | mwilson | anakin_a: If you have to ask, the answer is NO. |
| 05:46.39 | anakin_a | disasm, thanks |
| 05:46.54 | anakin_a | mwilson, I only meant in general terms i.e. will it totally screw my system over |
| 05:47.03 | anakin_a | Although its probably best to do a fresh install of any OS |
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| 05:47.23 | jstevens | 'night all... |
| 05:47.29 | disasm | anakin_a: a fresh install of sid doesn't really exist, it's always an upgrade somewhere along the lines |
| 05:47.54 | mwilson | anakin_a: Again, if you have to ask, the answer is most certainly NO. |
| 05:47.57 | anakin_a | Ah but there are netinstalls for it? |
| 05:48.06 | DarthShrine | I am using DSL (some debian thing) and I want to install aliendebs, but I get this error: dsl@0[dsl]$ sudo /opt/aliendebs/install_aliendebs |
| 05:48.06 | DarthShrine | dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory |
| 05:48.07 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, DarthShrine |
| 05:48.13 | DarthShrine | :P |
| 05:48.16 | phorce1 | anybody have a quick 'find' hack that will cause chmod to work on ONLY regular files or ONLY directories? |
| 05:48.17 | DarthShrine | Crazy bot |
| 05:48.36 | scarynetworkguy | anakin_a: No and if you are still stuck in the "need ot do a force install" mindest. You *really* don't want to be running Sid. |
| 05:48.40 | disasm | anakin_a: there is no sid installer, i would probably suggest staying on testing if you haven't read through the debian site to find out. |
| 05:48.50 | scarynetworkguy | s/force/fresh |
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| 05:48.59 | anakin_a | humm |
| 05:49.49 | scarynetworkguy | anakin_a: Cause running Sid with a Windows mindset is a bad and painful thing. Learn more about *nix before even thinking about going there. |
| 05:49.51 | tyranix | phorce1: find /dir -type f -exec chmod 0755 -- {} \; # replace with -d for only directories |
| 05:49.57 | disasm | anakin_a: the differences between sid and testing aren't that big, and if you want your computer to work, like most people do, I would stick with testing. |
| 05:50.05 | sussudio | DarthShrine: we don't support "some debian"-things. see topic. |
| 05:50.35 | phorce1 | tyranix: Thx -- was reading find manpage on another term |
| 05:50.36 | anakin_a | I'll try it in a virtual machine first I guess |
| 05:51.13 | disasm | DarthShrine: try a DSL oriented room, or if you there isn't one, try knoppix lists, i know it's a derivative of knoppix |
| 05:51.48 | disasm | anakin_a: any specific reason you want to upgrade to sid? |
| 05:51.48 | scarynetworkguy | !room |
| 05:51.48 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:51.53 | octavious | i have Rxvt installed, but it won't read resources that i set in ~/.Xdefaults, which it said it would in the man pages, any ideas? |
| 05:52.04 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 05:52.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 rabid dairy cows. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 05:52.12 | anakin_a | disasm, certain packages I've found only seem to support sid for now |
| 05:52.15 | anakin_a | or stable |
| 05:52.21 | anakin_a | so I'm stuck in the middle |
| 05:52.31 | abrotman | !moo |
| 05:52.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 05:52.57 | disasm | scarynetworkguy: sorry, got off guard there let my terminology slip, spend too much time at work dealing with windows people |
| 05:52.59 | chugga | abrotman, whats the relevance to moo here? |
| 05:53.30 | abrotman | !apt-get moo |
| 05:53.30 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
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| 05:54.28 | mwilson | octavious: Where does it say that it will read Xdefaults at run-time? |
| 05:54.30 | scarynetworkguy | disasm: Heh. |
| 05:54.32 | drp | anyone know the equivalent to netstat -b for linux o/s's |
| 05:54.33 | scarynetworkguy | Bacon. |
| 05:54.40 | Piggy | :-| |
| 05:54.44 | drp | just checks incoming outgoing tcp/ip traffic |
| 05:54.53 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. I love that. |
| 05:55.00 | DarthShrine | Ack, so no help? |
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| 05:55.16 | octavious | mwilson: it says ~/.Xdefaults or /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Rxvt, both of which don't seem to work |
| 05:55.36 | octavious | thats what the man pages say rather, but it also says its configured at compile time |
| 05:55.38 | mwilson | octavious: How is that an answer to my question? |
| 05:56.13 | octavious | man rxvt |
| 05:56.17 | octavious | :P |
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| 05:56.52 | scarynetworkguy | Cause that way lies madness. |
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| 05:58.05 | mwilson | Man, I'd forgotten how much rxvt sucked. |
| 05:58.08 | nvz | that LL Cool J is one cocky mofo. I ran into him again on my way up to the store |
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| 05:58.33 | abrotman | nvz: no more crack for you |
| 05:58.38 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 05:59.04 | octavious | well i guess i'll finally look into configuring Eterm :P |
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| 05:59.49 | nvz | its some kid around here I suspect is a minor, and a wannabe thug. looks like freakin LL Cool J to me.. heh cocky little bastard |
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| 06:00.18 | orchid | octavious: try adding settings to ~/.Xresources |
| 06:00.40 | c4_ | what's the name of: DRM kernel module in menuconfig?? |
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| 06:00.59 | octavious | no luck :\ |
| 06:02.02 | mwilson | People voluntarily use Eterm? |
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| 06:09.57 | c4_ | i have the solution |
| 06:10.41 | archpollux | c4_: now all you need is a problem |
| 06:11.40 | shingouz | c4_: 42? |
| 06:12.26 | elsanto | mwilson, I'm using Eterm |
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| 06:14.24 | Delicates | # mount -t smbfs -o username=Administrator //micha/C$ tmp |
| 06:14.24 | Delicates | Password: |
| 06:14.24 | Delicates | Anonymous login successful |
| 06:14.24 | Delicates | 18686: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
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| 06:14.34 | Delicates | any idea what's wrong? |
| 06:14.43 | shingouz | yea, you flooded |
| 06:15.25 | shingouz | i think it is because you are trying to connect to C$ as a matter of fact |
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| 06:15.51 | mousex | hi again! For some reason, esd makes the speakers generate an ugly noise; artsd dies saying something about a processor overload; the only thing that works is xmms with the OSS plugin. What can I do? I want to have event sounds in KDE, but without artsd or esd working, I don't know how. |
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| 06:16.19 | mousex | I tried configuring artsd to use oss, but it won't work either. No idea why xmms CAN use oss . . . |
| 06:16.33 | scarynetworkguy | !esd |
| 06:16.33 | dpkg | i guess esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 06:16.42 | Delicates | shingouz? |
| 06:16.51 | shingouz | Delicates: ? |
| 06:17.00 | scarynetworkguy | And of course the same thing applies to artsd. Both are evil evil things that eat the souls of small children. |
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| 06:17.23 | Delicates | anyone? |
| 06:17.23 | mousex | by the way, I'm using sid, kernel 2.6.10, pa-risc, USB audio device (C-Media, only "audio" module is loaded) |
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| 06:17.39 | phorce1 | Fascinating -- and annoying. When using scp I can now delete or rename files -- but I can't overwrite by copying a file of the same name into the folder. chmod/chown and various ways of accessing directories is starting to tick me off a little. Think I'll go work on my Volkswagen for a while. |
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| 06:18.30 | mousex | scarynetworkguy, what can I use instead of artsd and esd, then? |
| 06:19.04 | shingouz | Delicates: are you sure the administrative share on doze supports actual logons with samba? also i think if you are trying to connect to c:\tmp you need at least a slash between the c$ and tmp unlike what i can see in your paste |
| 06:19.08 | scarynetworkguy | mousex: OSS works nicely doesn't it? |
| 06:19.32 | ifup | hello, can someone tell me how to get my x server to allow me to display from another user on the same box |
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| 06:19.47 | mousex | yeah, but then I only get one output at a time . . . no playing CDs in XMMS while having sound events |
| 06:20.13 | mousex | ifup, like having two x sessions? try xnested |
| 06:20.30 | phorce1 | accckkk -- and it's not setting the owner UID to "root" when it copies a file in even though the directories are 6775 (setuid/setgid bit on) and root:www-data. It did at least set GID to www-data |
| 06:20.31 | mousex | ifup, or xvncserver and xvnc for remote logins |
| 06:20.40 | Delicates | shingouz: I'm not connecting to C:\tmp, I'm mounting C$ into tmp |
| 06:20.44 | scarynetworkguy | mousex: That's natures why of telling you that "sound evernts" are stupid. |
| 06:21.13 | ifup | mousex: IE I have a xterm up and su'd to another user and want to run an xapp as that user will that do it? |
| 06:21.15 | mousex | scarynetworkguy, come on! I like sound events! who doesn't! |
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| 06:21.29 | scarynetworkguy | mousex: People who have a clue? |
| 06:21.42 | shingouz | Delicates: you may need to configure the permissions on windows. scary but has to be done unless you install a real operating system on the box |
| 06:21.43 | mousex | scarynetworkguy, fine . . . :( |
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| 06:22.02 | holycow | shingouz, heh |
| 06:22.06 | mousex | ifup: are you using kde, gnome, . . .? |
| 06:22.25 | Delicates | shingouz: in other words you know nothing about what I'm trying to do and what could be wrong ;op |
| 06:22.27 | mousex | ifup: sudo will do it; there are X versions to sudo |
| 06:22.30 | ifup | mousex: I happen to have kde up right now |
| 06:22.49 | archpollux | ifup: kdesu |
| 06:22.51 | mousex | ifup: then click on the KDE menu, run, and select "run as a different user" |
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| 06:23.01 | shingouz | Delicates: your paste shows you do not have permissions to connect to the share. reconfigure the share on doze |
| 06:23.21 | ifup | okay thank you mousex |
| 06:23.21 | mousex | ifup: yup |
| 06:23.21 | holycow | wtf? hey anyone know what happened to the aolserver4 package from debian? i could of sworn it was there this afternoon |
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| 06:24.17 | mousex | scarynetworkguy, what if I need to use an alarm like korganizer's and play my MP3's at the same time? . . . |
| 06:24.23 | Delicates | shingouz: I'm connecting as Administrator |
| 06:24.37 | mousex | scarynetworkguy: so it's not that stupid |
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| 06:25.14 | shingouz | Delicates: in other words you know nothing about how to configure the permissions on the share |
| 06:25.18 | scarynetworkguy | mousex: No idea. I don't do such things. |
| 06:25.21 | kalelme | hello to all |
| 06:26.34 | Delicates | shingouz: this is not a share, this is access to entire drive available only to Administrator |
| 06:26.36 | kalelme | any know a good how to, for the overcloking a nvidia geforce 4 mx |
| 06:26.36 | shingouz | Delicates: the point is, you can have the network logons disabled on doze and get such errors. it would also help if you would be able to connect to C instead of C$ |
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| 06:28.25 | shingouz | Delicates: the only other thing that comes into my mind at the moment is that the password encrytions may be set up differently on samba and the MS box |
| 06:29.17 | Delicates | shingouz: that very well may be the problem as this is XP SP2 |
| 06:29.56 | shingouz | Delicates: this pretty much says it all: "ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)" |
| 06:30.09 | shingouz | Delicates: access denied, how cryptic can it get |
| 06:31.02 | shingouz | Delicates: either the share is not functioning as it should or ... well passwords and in the case of SP2 the firewall or a shitload of other things |
| 06:31.05 | mwilson | kalelme: Anyone know why you'd want to do something so silly? |
| 06:31.36 | mousex | scarynetworkguy: I'm thinking the problem is something else, because xine won't work with the oss plug in, either. So far, only XMMS works fine; all others make only noise. |
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| 06:32.22 | shingouz | mousex: reminds me of something i saw once. thinkpad? |
| 06:32.39 | mousex | shingouz: close; USB audio device (C-Media) |
| 06:33.57 | shingouz | mousex: hmm... try modprobe -r <all sound modules> then modprobe <all sound modules> for the hell of it |
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| 06:34.44 | kalelme | mwilson: I do not have the intention to burn the card, single I have curiosity |
| 06:35.18 | phorce1 | hmmm... when on the loacl filesystem I can cp a file to a directory that is root:www-data 6775 as a user who is a member of www-data and it copies right over the file and changes the user/group to root:www-data. When I try that via scp it gives me a permission denied if I tell scp to preserve the timestamp but works if not. |
| 06:35.22 | mousex | shigouz: modprobe? rmmod? |
| 06:35.29 | mwilson | kalelme: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 06:35.44 | shingouz | rmmod works too if you want to remove them all manually one by one |
| 06:35.56 | shingouz | man modprobe and look for the -r |
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| 06:36.50 | mousex | shingouz: still no luck, but now snd and snd_mixer_oss got loaded in adition to audio |
| 06:37.10 | g | i always get this message can anybody help me please i just began using ubuntu two days ago Failed to fetch http://archive.unbuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary- i386/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'archive.unbuntu.com' |
| 06:37.10 | g | Failed to fetch http://archive.unbuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary- i386/Release Could not resolve 'archive.unbuntu.com' |
| 06:37.10 | g | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:37.10 | g | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.unbuntu.com warty/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.unbuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_multiverse_ binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 06:37.33 | phorce1 | Oh well, it works now anyway. Time to go put the other axle on the VW so I can actually start driving it. |
| 06:37.52 | shingouz | mousex: and the sound still does not work. maybe there is something odd about the usb-tingie then |
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| 06:38.40 | mousex | shingouz: it happened with an integrated sound card, too, so I think it's the kernel modules that are screwed up . . . pa-risc issues |
| 06:38.58 | shingouz | mousex: what computer you run there? |
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| 06:39.00 | mousex | shingouz: on the other hand, xmms works just fine with oss on this usb thingie! |
| 06:39.20 | mousex | shingouz: b2000, an hppa workstation |
| 06:39.32 | mousex | with a risc (HP pa-risc) processor |
| 06:39.47 | mousex | custom kernel 2.6.10 |
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| 06:40.51 | shingouz | mousex: hmmmm.... maybe another sound card if possible. i guess the pa-risc is not fully compliant with the sound stuff in this case? or just install OSS onto it if you don't need the usb thingie? |
| 06:41.02 | mousex | UH!!! I SEE!!!! I need to run in 8-bit mode! |
| 06:41.14 | kalelme | mwilson: it was reviewing the packages, and I ran into with this package nvclock, and began to investigate and single it wanted to know of some page or how to where it explained them well |
| 06:41.16 | mousex | esd -b works |
| 06:41.16 | shingouz | mousex: and now it works? |
| 06:41.22 | shingouz | nice |
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| 06:41.27 | kalelme | but np ^_^ |
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| 06:41.34 | jair_11 | hello guys. |
| 06:41.57 | jair_11 | I am thinking on install deian sarge on a Laptop kind of old. |
| 06:42.08 | Silverwind | ok guys, I got a doozy of a question for you all tonight |
| 06:42.13 | jair_11 | actually in both a laptop and a desktop |
| 06:42.22 | jair_11 | but they have very little memory |
| 06:42.31 | jair_11 | and also slow processor |
| 06:42.39 | kaplanfx | so I ordered a Dell 2001fp, am I going to be able to drive the panel at full resolution from my frame buffer (its 1600x1200) I know X and my card will support it, but I never see framebuffer mode codes for resolutions that high. |
| 06:42.42 | shingouz | define little memory and small processor |
| 06:43.19 | jair_11 | shingouz: 24 MB ram and 75MHZ processor |
| 06:43.20 | hope22 | jair_11, I am running sarge on a celeron 700 with 64 MB of RAM. |
| 06:43.36 | jair_11 | hahahah I am talking about something really old |
| 06:43.48 | jair_11 | I want to use it if is possible all text |
| 06:43.52 | hope22 | jair_11, I see :) |
| 06:43.55 | kaplanfx | I meant vesafb btw |
| 06:44.05 | jair_11 | I can use lynx to browse the internet |
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| 06:44.29 | shingouz | jair_11: you have your task set up then. the sarge netinstall is probably not even bootable on those so you have to use the older version of sarge install. keep the selections you make as light as possible and they will run |
| 06:44.33 | anakin_a | Hrm I have to install apache2 development files but I see there are 2 packages.. I just used the apache2 and apache2-common packages to install apache2, so which development files should I get? apache2-prefork-dev or apache2-threaded dev? (If anyone knows from here) |
| 06:44.47 | Delicates | shingouz: ok I think I found out what's wrong |
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| 06:44.59 | shingouz | Delicates: what was it? |
| 06:45.12 | Delicates | shingouz: I need to use CIFS instead of SMBFS |
| 06:45.30 | Delicates | I need to compile it's support into my kernel |
| 06:45.33 | jair_11 | shingouz: so I have only the floppy disk boot on the boot menu of this old bios |
| 06:45.40 | gandy909 | freshly installed base woody. why is there no network? I have a 3com card in it |
| 06:45.45 | shingouz | Delicates: that is another tidbit of information that might come in handy sometime |
| 06:45.55 | jair_11 | I need to boot from a floppy. |
| 06:46.02 | shingouz | jair_11: :) |
| 06:46.20 | Delicates | shingouz: it sure is, new Microsoft OSes require CIFS instead of old SMB |
| 06:46.37 | shingouz | jair_11: to get the network running on the laptop you need to set up the pcmcia before the network, i guess that is the only big quirk you will see there |
| 06:46.48 | jair_11 | shingouz: where could i find information about boot the sarge debian from floppy disk? |
| 06:46.59 | Silverwind | ok, whenever I install sarge I get the message : "This xserver cannot be run:no screens available. Shutting down xserver" |
| 06:47.00 | shingouz | Delicates: hammer. definitely a bigger hammer :( |
| 06:47.28 | shingouz | jair_11: the install manual (or whatever it is called) |
| 06:47.37 | jair_11 | shingouz: but I will install the desktop firs |
| 06:47.40 | jair_11 | first |
| 06:47.52 | shingouz | might be easier that way |
| 06:47.54 | mwilson | gandy909: Why would there be a network? |
| 06:48.07 | shingouz | jair_11: what laptop you planing on installing it on btw? |
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| 06:48.18 | jair_11 | shingouz: in the debian site it is a manual about how to create the floppy disk for sarge. I have the netinst cd |
| 06:48.21 | mwilson | gandy909: Did you do anything towards setting one up? |
| 06:48.39 | shingouz | jair_11: not from the netinstall, too heavy for the 24MB of ram |
| 06:48.41 | jair_11 | the lap top is a "nec" brand very old too. |
| 06:49.07 | shingouz | !tell jair_11 about laptop |
| 06:49.15 | gandy909 | mwilson, I dunno I guess? I come from a RH background where it just takes care of that during the install. I don't even know where to look or what command to run to set it up... :( |
| 06:49.18 | shingouz | that should help you a bit |
| 06:49.22 | jair_11 | shingouz: so how can i install debian sarge using the floppy disks first |
| 06:49.50 | shingouz | jair_11: you make the floppies and boot off them, the installer looks just the same from the floppies |
| 06:50.07 | jair_11 | shift: cool |
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| 06:50.14 | shingouz | jair_11: but no netinstall floppies for you, there is not enough ram |
| 06:50.14 | jair_11 | shingouz: good |
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| 06:50.32 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok even that the netinst is all text. |
| 06:51.01 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok, so then i will be on the debian site and I will need to burn the cds |
| 06:51.06 | shingouz | iirc netinstall needs 32MB of ram while the older installer runs on 16M |
| 06:51.17 | jair_11 | I have woody 3.0 kind of old 7 cds |
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| 06:51.48 | shingouz | jair_11: you can still do the install from the net, just do the pcmcia first, put up the network and go from there |
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| 06:54.17 | jair_11 | shingouz: yes I want to do the install from the net |
| 06:54.22 | hanasaki | autofs is reporting it cannnot make the directories needed to moutn |
| 06:54.26 | gandy909 | what do I run to tell woody I want to setup my network? |
| 06:54.45 | hanasaki | any known bugs in autofs autofs.net from sarge? |
| 06:54.49 | jair_11 | I have the NIC on the old desktop ready |
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| 06:55.15 | ledestin | gandy909: start by reading Debian reference |
| 06:55.18 | jair_11 | shingouz: I have the NIC on the old desktop ready I will look for the installer you are talking about that run on 16MB |
| 06:55.37 | shingouz | jair_11: on the desktop just do the install in the order the installer suggests, on the laptop do the pcmcia before you even try to do the network. the nic cannot be seen before the pcmcia is up and running of course |
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| 06:56.04 | jair_11 | shingouz: no problem |
| 06:56.12 | shingouz | jair_11: the regular woody or sarge boot floppies are what you are looking for |
| 06:56.26 | jair_11 | shingouz: right |
| 06:56.48 | shingouz | jair_11: and ffs do not even dream of running kde or gnome on them :) |
| 06:56.50 | jair_11 | shingouz: but what is basicaly the difference between sarge and woody? |
| 06:57.10 | jair_11 | shingouz: I told you I will run all text |
| 06:57.20 | shingouz | jair_11: uhh... woody is getting a bit old. newer software on sarge basically |
| 06:57.29 | ata | http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/ |
| 06:57.48 | shingouz | such computers can actually do even X if you keep them light |
| 06:58.19 | Silverwind | ok, ready for the next laptop question? |
| 06:58.30 | shingouz | nope :) |
| 06:58.33 | Silverwind | aw |
| 06:58.40 | Silverwind | :'( |
| 06:59.02 | shingouz | hehehe... try to ask, maybe i flame, maybe not ;) |
| 06:59.17 | shingouz | ...maybe i just fall asleep |
| 06:59.21 | Silverwind | lol |
| 06:59.24 | Silverwind | ok, whenever I install sarge I get the message : "This xserver cannot be run:no screens available. Shutting down xserver" |
| 06:59.54 | shingouz | you did not configure the screen for it. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:00.07 | Silverwind | well, I got this with RH also |
| 07:00.21 | Silverwind | and apparently this is a problem with the computer... |
| 07:00.24 | Silverwind | i830 chipset |
| 07:00.35 | shingouz | and be smart, configure the system to run on console first, you will have plenty of time to screw around with X later |
| 07:00.45 | shingouz | !laptop |
| 07:00.46 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 07:00.48 | Silverwind | I had it where I had the cmd line |
| 07:00.57 | shingouz | check out the laptop.net there |
| 07:01.15 | shingouz | cmd line is console.... |
| 07:01.22 | Silverwind | well then |
| 07:01.26 | Silverwind | I was halfway there then... |
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| 07:01.42 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok thank you for all your help. |
| 07:02.03 | Silverwind | granted, I've grown kinda attached to the whole 640x480 screen....... |
| 07:02.16 | Silverwind | I want to actually be able to see a full window on screen |
| 07:02.24 | shingouz | Silverwind: when you install, do not let it install desktop and such, too much of a problem to get everytihng configured at once, do it in smaller steps and you will be running a clean system a hell of a lot sooner |
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| 07:02.43 | shingouz | jair_11: np |
| 07:02.59 | Silverwind | ok |
| 07:03.11 | hogballs | does 9600 pro xt work in debian? |
| 07:03.37 | shingouz | no idea. did you google? |
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| 07:04.14 | hogballs | some |
| 07:04.14 | shingouz | hogballs: in anycase if sometihng works with linux it works in debian and vice versa |
| 07:04.25 | hogballs | ok |
| 07:04.41 | hogballs | do you know whatpackage i need? apt-get? |
| 07:04.44 | shingouz | ...might take some hacking though... |
| 07:04.52 | shingouz | ? |
| 07:05.05 | shingouz | you should have apt-get installed already |
| 07:05.16 | hogballs | is there such thing as recompiling the kernel in debian? |
| 07:05.17 | jagerman | hogballs: Yes - if you're willing to settle for no 3d acceleration, the open source ati driver works well |
| 07:05.27 | shingouz | hogballs: take a wild guess |
| 07:05.31 | hogballs | lol |
| 07:05.35 | hogballs | yes? |
| 07:05.41 | shingouz | yes. |
| 07:05.46 | hogballs | whee |
| 07:05.47 | hogballs | lol; |
| 07:05.48 | jagerman | hogballs: And be sure to /msg dpkg ati |
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| 07:05.50 | anakin_a | No wait- |
| 07:05.51 | anakin_a | yes |
| 07:06.40 | ata | I'm having problems with opengl. All apps that use opengl directly seg faults |
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| 07:06.55 | hogballs | devs are lazy |
| 07:07.15 | hogballs | go figure lol |
| 07:07.23 | shingouz | ? |
| 07:08.35 | hogballs | is it possible to have someone remotely telnet into my box and hack my debian to get the ati driver to pull off more than 5k on glxgears? |
| 07:08.48 | ata | lol |
| 07:08.51 | hogballs | hha |
| 07:08.57 | hogballs | gimme a dev |
| 07:08.58 | hogballs | lol; |
| 07:09.17 | shingouz | hogballs: a) telnet is bad b) nope you need to do it yourself, we will not telnet or ssh into your box |
| 07:09.40 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: please stop overusing the enter key. |
| 07:10.11 | shingouz | hogballs: /msg dpkg telnet |
| 07:10.47 | jagerman | hogballs: 5000 is pretty good, I only get 350 :P |
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| 07:11.25 | hogballs | k all |
| 07:11.54 | setuid_w00t | How can I set the QT theme without having KDE installed? I use k3b, and I want to change the theme so that it will look a little closer to the gtk apps I typically use. |
| 07:12.27 | hogballs | how do i read a ntfs partition in gnome debian |
| 07:12.35 | hogballs | !google pptp |
| 07:12.41 | dpkg | Google says pptp is at http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ or http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~cananian/Projects/PPTP/ or http://www.schneier.com/pptp.html or http://www.schneier.com/pptp-faq.html or http://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html |
| 07:12.43 | hogballs | lol hogs hogs |
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| 07:13.05 | hogballs | !google freakazoid |
| 07:13.10 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: just mount -t ntfs /dev/hdafoo /mnt/foo |
| 07:13.10 | dpkg | Google says freakazoid is at http://www.relaxorium.com/freak/ or http://members.tripod.com/~LaBean/freakfans.html or http://www2.cruzio.com/~keeper/FzLyrics.html or http://www.bcdb.com/cartoons/Warner_Bros_/Television/Freakazoid_/ or http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111970/ |
| 07:13.15 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: stop abusing the bot, please. |
| 07:13.18 | hogballs | sorry |
| 07:13.25 | hogballs | thx |
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| 07:13.38 | disasm | hogballs: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxn /path/to/mount/point |
| 07:14.23 | hogballs | foo sounds like gentoo lol |
| 07:15.03 | gurubie | Is there any spped difference between 2.6.7, 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 kernels? What the real world differences? |
| 07:15.10 | gurubie | speed |
| 07:15.30 | dondelelcaro | gurubie: probably not, but you'd have to benchmark it on your particular hardware with your particular app to know |
| 07:15.59 | hogballs | whre do i get the list of devices |
| 07:16.03 | hogballs | or partitions |
| 07:16.09 | hogballs | ya |
| 07:16.13 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: ls -l /dev/*; cat /proc/partitions. |
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| 07:16.23 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: this is basic stuff that's all covered in the Debian reference. |
| 07:16.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell hogballs about debian reference |
| 07:16.31 | hogballs | omg |
| 07:16.47 | disasm | hogballs: it's probly /dev/hda1 or hda2 |
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| 07:17.00 | hogballs | ok gimme a hog slopping break ok"? |
| 07:17.02 | jetscreamer | yes my son? |
| 07:17.14 | jetscreamer | no, you're not worthy, ok? |
| 07:17.19 | hogballs | freakin debian master of the universe and stuff |
| 07:17.20 | hogballs | lol |
| 07:17.25 | gurubie | 2.6.10 gives a string of unused, unloaded drivers (I think) first at boot. Why is that diff? What's going on there? |
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| 07:17.49 | jetscreamer | gurubie, i know what you speak of |
| 07:17.49 | hogballs | ya |
| 07:18.00 | disasm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.10 | hogballs | how the hell does dpkg do it? |
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| 07:18.29 | jetscreamer | practice |
| 07:18.38 | jetscreamer | he's linus's brother |
| 07:19.10 | gurubie | Which kernel 2.6.7, 2.6.8 or 2.6.10 do you recomend and why? |
| 07:19.30 | dondelelcaro | gurubie: .10. There's no reason not to run the newest version of the kernel |
| 07:19.31 | jetscreamer | 10 so you can be 1337 |
| 07:19.33 | disasm | gurubie: i usually go with whatevers the latest |
| 07:19.34 | drp | 2.6.8 .... it's my favorite number |
| 07:20.19 | jetscreamer | 2.6.9 |
| 07:20.37 | jetscreamer | or 11 |
| 07:20.39 | drp | that must be the jetscreamer release |
| 07:21.07 | jetscreamer | no, 2.6.10.5.8610.777 is :) |
| 07:22.01 | hogballs | it didnt mont anything |
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| 07:22.32 | hogballs | err mount |
| 07:22.39 | hogballs | mount ntfs |
| 07:22.48 | shingouz | hogballs: man mount |
| 07:22.57 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 07:22.58 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 07:23.12 | jetscreamer | and you should want |
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| 07:23.50 | drp | how is that pronounced ... fs tab or f stab |
| 07:23.50 | hogballs | nope didnt work |
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| 07:24.06 | shingouz | hogballs: what did not work |
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| 07:24.13 | Solet | any one know off the top of their head the name of the game for debian where you fly through your file system in a 3d sorta way? |
| 07:24.15 | jetscreamer | does work |
| 07:24.19 | jetscreamer | period |
| 07:24.28 | noob | how can i copy a file?what command will i use? |
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| 07:24.32 | gurubie | I run 2.6.10-k7 yet get strange warnings such as "/dev already there" etc. What's up with that? |
| 07:24.33 | Children_of_War | TO DONATION CHILDREN OF WAR IN IRAQ PLEASE VISIT http://www.warchildren.cjb.net/ |
| 07:24.33 | jetscreamer | cp noob |
| 07:24.39 | noob | thanx |
| 07:24.49 | jetscreamer | cjb.net is a torrent tracker isn't it |
| 07:24.55 | shingouz | do i see a spambot? |
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| 07:25.11 | The_Vulture | jetscreamer: it's one of those dynamic dns services if I'm not mistaken |
| 07:25.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:25.18 | disasm | gurubie: devfs and udev installed? |
| 07:25.30 | Kog | cjb isn't dynamic dns... it's web hosting |
| 07:25.38 | The_Vulture | Kog: *shrugs* rightio |
| 07:25.39 | gurubie | disasm: How do I tell? |
| 07:25.48 | gurubie | lsmod? |
| 07:25.54 | Kog | oh whoa... sup The_Vulture |
| 07:25.54 | The_Vulture | "Free Web Hosting and Free URL Redirection" |
| 07:26.01 | The_Vulture | not much |
| 07:26.02 | Kog | long time no see dude |
| 07:26.08 | vulture | :) |
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| 07:26.13 | disasm | gurubie: dpkg -l|grep udev && dpkg -l|grep devfs |
| 07:26.24 | Kog | vulture, I'm not in java much these days |
| 07:26.28 | Kog | don't do much with it anymore :( |
| 07:26.54 | vulture | Kog: I haven't been there for a month and a half at least. Some of the personalities got to me. Might check back in one day. |
| 07:26.58 | disasm | gurubie: actually probly dpkg -l|grep dev would do the trick |
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| 07:27.05 | Kog | vulture, sorry to hear it... |
| 07:27.15 | gurubie | ii udev 0.053-1 /dev/ management daemon |
| 07:27.15 | Kog | vulture, I figure I'll say sup to pr3d next time in the bay area |
| 07:27.17 | Vrogy | What's the fastest, easiest way to get Debian installed? Which version is best? |
| 07:27.21 | gurubie | first one... |
| 07:27.22 | Aj` | do the atmel drivers work with debian ? |
| 07:27.45 | setuid_w00t | Does anyone know what package the kde control panel is in? |
| 07:28.06 | shingouz | !tell Vrogy about d-i |
| 07:28.10 | disasm | setuid_w00t: i would guess kde-base, but I haven't used kde in eons |
| 07:28.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell setuid_w00t about search |
| 07:28.19 | gurubie | disasm: I see udev |
| 07:29.01 | disasm | gurubie: i think theres some symlinks in /etc/udev you have to remove and then you have to create another symlink, but I don't quite remember |
| 07:29.22 | gurubie | disasm: Oh hmmm. |
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| 07:30.27 | disasm | setuid_w00t: kcontrol, apt-cache search kde|grep control is how i found it for future ref |
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| 07:31.30 | disasm | gurubie: http://glasnost.beeznest.org/articles/186 |
| 07:31.39 | gurubie | thanks |
| 07:31.46 | setuid_w00t | disasm: ahh, I did apt-cache search kde control Turns out it was in the list, but I didn't see it somehow. :) thanks |
| 07:32.04 | gandy909 | !network setup |
| 07:32.04 | dpkg | it has been said that network setup is Go read: Networking-[34]-HOWTO, then man ifconfig, man route, man interfaces. Then ask your question. |
| 07:32.28 | Kog | ack... X-Chat's default font makes 1 and i look the same |
| 07:32.42 | shingouz | Kog: change it :) |
| 07:32.55 | Kog | shingouz, naw.. now I know that it does that it won't be a problem |
| 07:33.03 | Kog | shingouz, someone told me about d-i and I thought it was d-1 |
| 07:33.12 | shingouz | heh |
| 07:33.15 | disasm | setuid_w00t: yeah, I like grepping my search statements rather than using two terms |
| 07:33.20 | Kog | but now I see that the i has a dash across the bottom |
| 07:33.46 | shingouz | the i also has a small dot on top |
| 07:33.48 | Kog | always thought it was the other way around... that the 1 would have a dash |
| 07:33.53 | Kog | shift, it's not really visible |
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| 07:35.20 | gandy909 | !etherconf |
| 07:35.20 | dpkg | etherconf is, like, a package that can be used to redo the initial configuration on your NIC....install it and then 'dpkg-reconfigure etherconf' |
| 07:35.27 | Kog | s/shift/shingouz |
| 07:36.51 | shingouz | gandy909: /msg dpkg foo and you get the same information but won't clutter the channel |
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| 07:37.39 | shingouz | i guess i'd better scoot again. laters |
| 07:37.59 | Kog | seeya shin |
| 07:38.24 | disasm | gurubie, that nick just seems like an oxymoron... |
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| 07:39.34 | deucehaus | hello, i need an inexpensive ($50) videocard with dvi. should i go nvidia or ati? i don't want to have to install drivers |
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| 07:40.11 | gandy909 | shingouz, thx, you have been more than kind, unlike some of the other people that just...oh never mind. |
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| 07:41.56 | gandy909 | shingouz could you possibly point me in the right direction to get my network up on a fresh woody base install? |
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| 07:42.29 | MrKrystal | hi. What is the best software for ripping audio on radio (icecast / shoutcast) ? |
| 07:43.24 | disasm | gandy909: hows this? http://people.debian.org/~blade/boot-floppies/cvs/bootbf2_4_iso.zip |
| 07:43.37 | disasm | gandy909: it |
| 07:43.53 | disasm | gandy909: it's a minimal boot cd that'll give you a base and nothing else |
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| 07:44.37 | gandy909 | disasm, I already have the base system up and running, but it has never asked me anything about network settings or anything |
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| 07:45.29 | bjb | gandy909, if you already know a bit about networking, then look in /etc/network/interfaces (also: interfaces(5)). Then bring networking down and up again: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 07:45.33 | trogger | hi people, trying to debootstrap debian, it says "Couldn't download libdevmapper1.00" and stops. any ideas how to fix this? it is on the server etc, and internet connection is fine etc. |
| 07:45.59 | trogger | gandy909: you can also use ifup and ifdown to work with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:46.48 | Joris | when having to choose between a Promise FastTrak 378 raid setup, or softraid... what should I choose? |
| 07:47.05 | trogger | hw raid!! |
| 07:47.12 | atrus | i'm using apt 0.6, but it keeps listing debian files as untrusted, because: 'the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D'. What do i have to do to tell gpg/apt about this public key? |
| 07:47.32 | ugexe | promise is hardly hardware raid |
| 07:47.41 | bjb | gandy909, or choose k-menu, system, networking and use the gui |
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| 07:47.49 | trogger | ugexe: unfortunately. |
| 07:47.59 | valdyn | Joris: that Promise FastTrak's fake h/w raid is not supported by linux |
| 07:48.38 | ugexe | besides, the reliability between software raid and hardware raid is null, assuming you have spare cpu cycles most of the time |
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| 07:48.54 | ugexe | well, ignoring high end cards and their backup battery |
| 07:49.57 | Joris | valdyn: okay, thanks |
| 07:50.05 | ugexe | the speed difference is also null, unless you are talking about modifying the arrays themselves |
| 07:50.49 | bjb | gandy909, ah that gui suggestion, I guess I'm assuming X-windows and KDE, probably not the case with a base install... go with the first suggestion (edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart networking) |
| 07:50.54 | bjb | g'night |
| 07:52.41 | ata | is there a man-page for /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 07:52.53 | trogger | man apt-get |
| 07:53.24 | ata | man apt_preferences it was. thanx |
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| 07:55.32 | ugexe | how can you see how much free space is left on a hd |
| 07:55.43 | jagerman | df |
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| 07:55.50 | jagerman | Assuming it's mounted |
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| 07:56.43 | shaggs | would you guys recommend installing wine through apt or some other way? |
| 07:56.50 | stouset | Argh. Anyone know where I can find an up-to-date list of the current issues blocking Sarge? |
| 07:56.51 | ugexe | hmm i just did df and i notice tmpfs... wtf is that |
| 07:57.14 | disasm | shaggs: apt'll do |
| 07:57.15 | valdyn | stouset: bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 07:57.22 | stouset | shaggs: apt, of course, unless you need something specifically included in a more recent version of wine. |
| 07:57.58 | stouset | valdyn: I know where the RC-bugs are, but I'm wondering what's keeping Sarge out of a freeze |
| 07:58.31 | valdyn | stouset: the missing security update infrastructure |
| 07:58.43 | stouset | I assume debian-installer, but I was hoping I could find out a) specifically what about d-i, and b) any other blockers |
| 07:58.58 | stouset | Ah, I see. |
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| 07:59.35 | valdyn | stouset: naturally it could still be frozen, but I assume that that would be relatively pointless since theres no defenite eta of the final security infrastructure stuff ( whatever that is en detail ) |
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| 08:00.12 | stouset | Ah. Any place I could find some commentary or info on the problems? |
| 08:00.42 | Solet | how do i stop xfireworks? |
| 08:01.26 | xenoduck | xbucketofwater |
| 08:01.43 | Joris | lol |
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| 08:03.45 | Joris | solemn03: "killall xfireworks" meight do the trick |
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| 08:04.50 | Solet | its lagging me upp so much i cant do much |
| 08:05.02 | Solet | is there a key combo to bring up a run screen |
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| 08:07.12 | Joris | ctrl alt F1 |
| 08:07.27 | Joris | switch back with alt F7 |
| 08:08.36 | Solet | it wouldnt let me log in cause it said cant allocate memory |
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| 08:10.00 | Solet | as soon as i kill this fukckin firework i'm gonna shutdown and drop another 32mb ram in... |
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| 08:12.01 | yaarg | okay i've managed to get emacs to insert tabs (i think) but they are still not like acting like tabs... |
| 08:12.12 | yaarg | like i have to hit backsapce 4 times to delete an indent |
| 08:14.35 | guk | what's the command to reconfigure X |
| 08:14.44 | guk | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:14.46 | guk | ? |
| 08:14.52 | yaarg | guk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:14.56 | guk | yeah !! |
| 08:14.56 | guk | :D |
| 08:14.58 | guk | thanks |
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| 08:19.39 | peterS | yaarg: that's normal. in most programming modes, backspace in emacs acts as though it were backspacing over a single character, rather than over the whole tab character. this is considered a feature, not a bug (: |
| 08:19.58 | peterS | i.e., when backspacing over a tab, it first converts it to spaces then deletes one space |
| 08:20.02 | yaarg | peterS: aww :( |
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| 08:20.18 | peterS | yaarg: workaround would be left-arrow then C-d ('delete current char') |
| 08:20.24 | yaarg | ah |
| 08:20.27 | yaarg | peterS: thanks i'll try that |
| 08:20.32 | yaarg | i prefer it when coding |
| 08:20.43 | yaarg | i have a macro to convert things to sspaces afterwards |
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| 08:21.05 | yaarg | if i start deleting spaces i end up messing up indent levels |
| 08:21.08 | peterS | yaarg: I find I don't need to mess with tabs or spacing much in emacs - I just hit <tab> and it indents my code the way I want it anyway. well, for C. perl mode is less smart about what I'll want |
| 08:21.39 | gandy909 | do I want to 'use the apache module version of php4 in my apache'? |
| 08:22.02 | peterS | gandy909: most likely, if you wish to use apache and php4, you want the apache module, yes |
| 08:22.11 | gandy909 | thx |
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| 08:22.33 | peterS | gandy909: well, unless you want to run php code as the user who owns it, rather than as the web server user. doing *that* requires running php4 via CGI |
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| 08:24.03 | skip_ | how do I install 'recommended' packages with apt-get? |
| 08:24.06 | yaarg | C-d still only deletes spaces :( |
| 08:24.13 | peterS | gandy909: in *that* case you'd want the php-cgiwrap package |
| 08:24.34 | vulture | skip_: so far as I know, you don't. Aptitude can do things like that |
| 08:24.43 | Solet | what the hell i just used man xfireworks... it appears that there is no way to stop them |
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| 08:24.48 | peterS | yaarg: only if you have spaces in there. if you've got tabs, it deletes tabs |
| 08:24.59 | skip_ | vulture: it will automatically select the recommended packages as well? |
| 08:25.16 | vulture | skip_: you pass aptitude an extra argument when you want recommended or suggested packages as well |
| 08:25.32 | skip_ | vulture: thanks, I'll have a look now |
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| 08:26.48 | gandy909 | what is the correct spelling of something like lib-apache-mod-php4? I was told I need that, but apt can't find it, so I am assuming I mis-wrote it |
| 08:26.58 | peterS | gandy909: libapache-mod-php4 |
| 08:27.33 | gandy909 | tried that too, no luck... :( |
| 08:27.52 | peterS | !info libapache-mod-php4 woody |
| 08:27.52 | yaarg | peterS: in text mode i noticed i can delete tabs with backspace? |
| 08:28.06 | peterS | hmmm, guess woody didn't call it that |
| 08:28.34 | peterS | yaarg: right, text mode != programming modes. the convert-tab-to-spaces feature of backspace is specific to the programming modes |
| 08:28.45 | yaarg | peterS: oh right |
| 08:29.29 | peterS | yaarg: hey, check this out. backspace is bound to 'delete-backward-char' in text mode, but 'c-electric-backspace' in c-mode |
| 08:30.01 | peterS | yaarg: if you like the text mode command better, try this: M-x global-set-key, hit backspace, type delete-backward-char |
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| 08:30.11 | condor | hi |
| 08:30.14 | yaarg | peterS: okay thanks i'll try that |
| 08:30.16 | condor | people |
| 08:30.44 | peterS | yaarg: if you want to make it permanent, I can give you a thing to put in ~/.emacs to switch this every time you enter c-mode (or cperl-mode or what have you) |
| 08:30.56 | nvz | Solet: kill, xkill, killall, top, htop, gnome-system-monitor.. etc |
| 08:31.02 | yaarg | peterS: that would be helpful thanks! |
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| 08:31.11 | yaarg | really does make life easier for me |
| 08:31.43 | Solet | how do i completely stop the x server? |
| 08:31.56 | nvz | Solet: you mean the display manager? |
| 08:32.05 | nvz | Solet: KDM? GDM? |
| 08:32.12 | Solet | the entire graphic user interface |
| 08:32.35 | Solet | i am using gdm (by the way is there anything other than kdm or gdm cause they are both slow on my machine) |
| 08:32.46 | nvz | Solet: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 08:33.06 | nvz | Solet: you dont need a display manager, and yes there are others |
| 08:33.21 | Solet | i dont need one to run the x gui? |
| 08:33.29 | nvz | nope |
| 08:33.37 | nvz | you can login in text console then start X |
| 08:33.40 | Solet | how do i get rid of gnome then? cause its lagging the fuck out of my machine |
| 08:33.44 | peterS | yaarg: eh, give me a moment, I forget how to specify "the backspace key" in emacs-lisp. as opposed to "\C-?" which I think is only the backspace key in text mode |
| 08:33.54 | nvz | Solet: what kind of machine? |
| 08:34.01 | Solet | pentium 1 |
| 08:34.04 | Solet | 200mhz |
| 08:34.10 | nvz | Solet: how much ram? |
| 08:34.15 | Solet | 32 |
| 08:34.17 | nvz | Solet: and what would you like to do with it? |
| 08:34.36 | Solet | but i can go to 64 if i get off my ass and put it in |
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| 08:35.00 | Phated | Gnome on 32 megs? Might as well walk through molasses for the rest of the year. |
| 08:35.08 | nvz | Solet: I would recommend finding a package manager and removing anything you dont want and putting the other 32mb in. then maybe we could advise you further |
| 08:35.14 | Solet | i'd like to learn the basics of linux, play games, have fun... etc |
| 08:35.24 | condor | i can install debian in a 486_ |
| 08:35.39 | Solet | nvz i'm in dselect as we speek |
| 08:35.45 | Solet | do i get rid of gnome from here? |
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| 08:37.20 | Solet | nvz: how do i get rid of gdm? |
| 08:37.43 | nvz | Solet: eww screw dselect :P |
| 08:37.54 | jetscreamer | Solet, hit / |
| 08:37.54 | nvz | Solet: too harsh for a newbie :) |
| 08:38.03 | jetscreamer | type gnome |
| 08:38.22 | nvz | Solet: I can help you slim down gnome and get a nice interface without all the memory eating |
| 08:38.26 | jetscreamer | highlight the section header, hit - or _ (_ is purge) |
| 08:38.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge gnome* |
| 08:38.43 | Kog | speaking of gnome... |
| 08:39.02 | Kog | I was doing the initial install and it kicked me to Aptitude to get any other packages |
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| 08:39.06 | nvz | Solet: nautilus eats up about 20mb just drawing the desktop, so that has to go on your system |
| 08:39.06 | Kog | I selected/got Gnome |
| 08:39.13 | Kog | went to startx... and I get a no such server error |
| 08:39.14 | nvz | Solet: as well as gdm and gnome session I guess |
| 08:39.20 | Kog | yet it lists X11 as gotten/installed |
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| 08:39.32 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install x-window-system |
| 08:39.48 | Kog | shouldn't the x11 stuff include the xserver? |
| 08:39.51 | Solet | what exactly does gnome do? |
| 08:40.03 | jetscreamer | it's a desktop |
| 08:40.07 | nvz | Solet: gnome is a large collection of software |
| 08:40.09 | Kog | Solet: it sits on lawns |
| 08:40.12 | Kog | ;) |
| 08:40.13 | jetscreamer | with lots of packages/dependencies |
| 08:40.13 | vulture | Kog: "the x11 stuff"? |
| 08:40.16 | Solet | kog lol fu |
| 08:40.16 | vulture | what x11 stuff? |
| 08:40.23 | Kog | vulture: X11 from Aptitude... the package |
| 08:40.36 | Solet | nvz so getting rid of it is going to make my desktop look look/act/work differently? |
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| 08:40.38 | vulture | Kog: I'm unaware of any such package. |
| 08:40.48 | Kog | vulture: erm, perhaps my terminology is a little off... one sec |
| 08:40.50 | jetscreamer | Solet, if you use gnome it will |
| 08:40.55 | nvz | Solet: made up of major componants liek the GDM login manager, gnome-panel, nautilus that draws the desktop and does the filemanager..etc |
| 08:41.16 | Kog | aptitude->installed packages->x11->main |
| 08:41.24 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:41.37 | jetscreamer | ok then aptitude install x-window-system |
| 08:41.43 | vulture | Kog: that's a category, not a package |
| 08:41.44 | Solet | cause i'd like my desktop to function the same as it does now... (i'm finally getting the hang of it...) |
| 08:41.46 | nvz | Solet: you need to put that other 32mb in it will make life better. you also want to have 128mb or more of swap if you can help it just in case |
| 08:42.00 | peterS | yaarg: (add-hook 'c-mode-hook (lambda nil (local-set-key [(backspace)] 'delete-backward-char))) |
| 08:42.06 | nvz | Solet: then I can help you piece together a comfy X environment that is going to fit in your memory |
| 08:42.07 | Kog | vulture: yes, but the stuff underneath it |
| 08:42.08 | jetscreamer | solet, do you USE gnome? |
| 08:42.14 | Kog | oh wait... nevermind, it didn't install the server |
| 08:42.15 | peterS | yaarg: substitute your favorite modes for "c-mode" in there |
| 08:42.18 | jetscreamer | kog, man up |
| 08:42.23 | vulture | Kog: what stuff underneath it? there are many packages in that category you could have installed.. |
| 08:42.27 | vulture | right. |
| 08:42.39 | Solet | nvz i can only have 128mb of ram... i got 4 SIMM's |
| 08:42.47 | nvz | Solet: nautilus, gnome-panel, gnome-settings-daemon, need like 32mb alone |
| 08:42.53 | Kog | vulture: I figured when I hit + on gnome that it would sorta grab me x-server |
| 08:42.55 | Phated | 128 is plenty, for, say... Openbox! XD |
| 08:43.00 | jetscreamer | solet, try icewm |
| 08:43.11 | peterS | yaarg: you can test this with M-: and then type all that in the minibuffer. as you load other files, backspace should continue to do what you want |
| 08:43.13 | Kog | I suppose I'm just a moron like htat |
| 08:43.18 | nvz | Solet: if you got rams put it in there boy, dont be stingy :P |
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| 08:43.56 | Solet | nvz: the other 32 is going in as soon as i can get this thing to let me shut it down |
| 08:43.59 | Kog | vulture: so apt-get install x-windows-system should grab the x-server/depdencies for running gnome+x11? |
| 08:44.10 | jetscreamer | no i lied |
| 08:44.12 | Solet | will 64 mb ram run gnome alright? |
| 08:44.13 | vulture | Kog: something like that, so far as I recall |
| 08:44.14 | jetscreamer | don't do it |
| 08:44.23 | Kog | jetscreamer: was that directed towards me or solet? |
| 08:44.30 | ArtVandalae | Solet, no. |
| 08:44.30 | nvz | I am running X with GDM graphical greeter, sawfish, gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-panel, and nautilus right now |
| 08:44.34 | Phated | Solet: Hell no. |
| 08:44.35 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:44.54 | Phated | Kog: x-window-system. No s after window. |
| 08:45.08 | Kog | Phated: erm, I woulda figured that out after it told me "what you talkin bout, willis" |
| 08:45.12 | vulture | what Phated said |
| 08:45.13 | yaarg | peterS: thanks alot for that! |
| 08:45.14 | nvz | Solet: you dont need or want all of gnome its overkill you can loose the componants you dont need |
| 08:45.24 | jetscreamer | Solet, you want a minimal desktop with that box |
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| 08:45.31 | jetscreamer | what they said |
| 08:45.32 | peterS | yaarg: hope it works, I didn't quite test it (: |
| 08:45.33 | Solet | i know |
| 08:45.33 | yaarg | peterS: but i don't think it's actually inserting tabs at all, it still just deletes spaces :( |
| 08:45.42 | Kog | ok, this should take a sec... |
| 08:45.43 | Phated | Kog: <shrug> Just saying. |
| 08:46.02 | Kog | oh... only 75 megs |
| 08:46.07 | peterS | yaarg: if your indentation isn't a multiple of 8 spaces, tab characters can't describe the rightmost part of it |
| 08:46.12 | Kog | Phated: I appreciate it... was just trying (and failing) to be funny |
| 08:46.32 | nvz | I'd run sawfish with a lightweight desktop and panel if I needed one. sawfish only needs about 4-5mb |
| 08:46.33 | jetscreamer | actually, kog, later you can remove the metapackages and anything you consider kruft |
| 08:46.35 | peterS | yaarg: you can insert tabs manually, for testing this, using M-i |
| 08:46.42 | jetscreamer | just easier to get it |
| 08:46.48 | jetscreamer | (for me) |
| 08:46.54 | peterS | (since you can't with <tab> in programming modes) |
| 08:47.05 | Kog | jetscreamer: never run deb, so I'm not going to aim for specifics yet... first stop is a baseline working system |
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| 08:47.22 | jetscreamer | hence the instructions |
| 08:47.23 | Kog | jetscreamer: I've also got the 2.4.27 kernel on there because I gave it the wrong switch for the install |
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| 08:47.30 | jetscreamer | easy to fix |
| 08:47.39 | arc_ | how do I search the package name that provides an specified file? |
| 08:47.41 | Kog | jetscreamer: what, apt-get install kernel26 or something? |
| 08:47.53 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 08:48.00 | jetscreamer | ^^^ kog arc_ |
| 08:48.03 | Kog | awesome, just the command I needed |
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| 08:48.15 | Kog | jetscreamer: thanks again |
| 08:48.27 | jetscreamer | arc_, you might be wanting apt-file, not sure. |
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| 08:48.30 | Reveal | I have a few *.dpkg-dist files what is the command again that is compares the two files and let me choose which one to install ? |
| 08:48.33 | yaarg | peterS: 8 spaces is too much indent, i guess i'll stick with spaces |
| 08:48.36 | valdyn | arc_: apt-file search <filename> |
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| 08:48.52 | arc_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 08:49.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search blah |
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| 08:49.23 | Phated | Kog: Oh, right. No worries, I have no sense of humour. |
| 08:49.43 | Kog | Phated: yeah, you spell it with a u... must have one of those "dry" british senses of humor |
| 08:49.49 | Kog | ;) |
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| 08:50.35 | Phated | Would be funnier if that weren't true. |
| 08:50.41 | Kog | heh |
| 08:50.50 | Kog | oh... you're in singapore? |
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| 08:51.10 | Kog | I could go for some singapore fried rice-noodles... they're tasty |
| 08:51.10 | Phated | Yeah. |
| 08:51.16 | Phated | True. |
| 08:51.19 | Kog | I don't suppose you happen to know a recipe? |
| 08:51.31 | Phated | Dump noodles in pot, fry? |
| 08:51.36 | peterS | yaarg: now that I look further, it seems an easier .emacs snippet would be: (setq c-backspace-function 'delete-backward-char) |
| 08:51.38 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 08:51.41 | Kog | (or I could wait for x then use firefox) |
| 08:51.43 | Phated | I dunno, seems to be different pretty much everywhere. |
| 08:51.44 | peterS | yaarg: no need to mess with c-mode-hook or a lambda function |
| 08:51.57 | Kog | Phated: in the States there's a specific dish it refers to, at least around here |
| 08:52.29 | yaarg | peterS: yey! \o/ |
| 08:52.35 | Phated | Kog: Yeah, like you guys over there know anything about it. Around here I've never bought a plate of Singapore noodles. |
| 08:52.35 | yaarg | peterS: thanks very much! |
| 08:52.41 | yaarg | now back to work! |
| 08:52.47 | shaggs | is there any way i can make all this stuff faster? |
| 08:52.54 | Kog | Phated: dude, there aren't even any non-vietnamese asians in this city... |
| 08:52.54 | shaggs | like switching to 686 packages or something? |
| 08:53.04 | Phated | Kog: I rest my case. |
| 08:53.06 | peterS | yaarg: yeah - it surprised me, but also didn't surprise me, that there would be a variable c-backspace-function to customise exactly this (: |
| 08:53.09 | Kog | Phated: it's terrible.. I'm originally from the San Francisco area |
| 08:53.14 | Kog | Phated: no good chinese food up north here |
| 08:53.26 | Phated | I've heard San Francisco is cool. |
| 08:53.43 | Kog | biggest china town outside of china |
| 08:53.52 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:54.04 | Solet | i cant remember does lspci show me my ram? |
| 08:54.24 | Kog | I assume the "nv" x-server driver is "Nvidia?" |
| 08:54.24 | scarynetworkguy | Kog: No Chinatown in .sg has San Francisco beat. Hands down. |
| 08:54.36 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: singapore is a little bit of a special case... |
| 08:54.44 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: as was Hong-Kong |
| 08:54.47 | scarynetworkguy | Kog: No you said "outside of china" |
| 08:54.57 | anakin_a | Solet, it shows you memory controllers |
| 08:55.02 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: depending on who you ask, singapore might be considered a "part" of china |
| 08:55.02 | scarynetworkguy | Kog: Hong Kong doesn't have a Chinatown. |
| 08:55.16 | Phated | Kog: Ask a singaporean, go on, I dare you. |
| 08:55.16 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: just like Tibet... |
| 08:55.21 | scarynetworkguy | Kog: And anybody who said that would be wrong *and* stupid. |
| 08:55.25 | Kog | Phated: hell no, I know Singapore is not part of china |
| 08:55.30 | Phated | Good man. |
| 08:55.39 | peterS | is China part of Singapore? |
| 08:55.47 | Phated | Only in Chinatown. |
| 08:55.47 | anakin_a | LOL |
| 08:55.49 | streuner__ | no |
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| 08:56.15 | Solet | ummm i dont see my memory controller listed in lspci... |
| 08:56.24 | Solet | is there another command that will tell me about my ram? |
| 08:56.35 | peterS | Solet: best bet is 'dmidecode' |
| 08:56.36 | Solet | i wanna make sure its been detected and is working properly |
| 08:56.50 | Kog | Phated: SG has an expatriate situation though... it's a little different |
| 08:56.54 | elsanto | anybody know about support for rtl8081 over 2.6 ? it is a wireless chip set |
| 08:56.55 | Solet | "command not found |
| 08:56.55 | Solet | " |
| 08:56.58 | peterS | Solet: dmidecode sometimes lies (the bios vendors don't always bother to fill in all the right info) but it's the best you've got |
| 08:57.01 | peterS | !installit |
| 08:57.02 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 08:57.05 | peterS | Solet: see what dpkg just told you |
| 08:57.06 | elsanto | anybody know about support for rtl8081 over 2.6 ? it is a wireless chip set |
| 08:57.14 | elsanto | anybody know about support for rtl8081 over 2.6 ? it is a wireless chip set |
| 08:57.26 | Solet | yeah i like that :P |
| 08:57.36 | Kog | elsanto: some saint you are... spammer |
| 08:57.45 | peterS | elsanto: amazingly, 18 seconds later, we still don't know |
| 08:58.21 | Phated | Kog: No, it bloody well is not, sheesh. |
| 08:59.00 | Kog | Phated: ok, SF has the largest china town in north america |
| 08:59.33 | Kog | Phated: the point still stands that there are no chinese in my current city of residence |
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| 08:59.38 | Phated | Kog: I was referring to the comment re the "expat situation". But either way. I'm off to watch pirated TV shows. |
| 08:59.46 | scarynetworkguy | Kog: What city are you in? |
| 08:59.48 | Kog | Phated: and that chinese food is not debian |
| 08:59.50 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: Olympia, WA |
| 09:00.19 | peterS | while we're on topic anyway, I should mention that 17 miles of walking/running and 6 hours of dancing should really not be attempted in a single day. the legs, they hurtses. this has been a public service announcement |
| 09:00.41 | Phated | Poor peterS. |
| 09:00.44 | Phated | !comfort peterS |
| 09:00.45 | dpkg | There, there, peterS. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:00.46 | scarynetworkguy | Kog: Interesting. My Chinese friends in Olympia will be sad to know that they don't exist. |
| 09:00.58 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: bah, it was a sarcastic comment |
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| 09:01.00 | peterS | thanks, dpkg. also, thank phated for me |
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| 09:01.06 | Phated | peterS: And why precisely did you do it? |
| 09:01.18 | Phated | Seems... masochistic, to say the least. |
| 09:01.20 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: but you go ahead and try and find a good chinese restaraunt in Oly |
| 09:01.29 | Kog | scarynetworkguy: and when you find it, tell me and the rest of my friends where it is |
| 09:01.52 | peterS | Phated: that's a pretty good question. the 6 hours of dancing, that's obvious enough, I do that because I enjoy it. getting to and from a place 8.5 miles away, without a bike at the moment, that part I'm still not sure why I did |
| 09:02.05 | gotik0 | i am trying to install mplayer but i cant because i need a non-free server list, can anyone tell me where i can get one |
| 09:02.11 | Phated | peterS: You, er, couldn't have taken a bus or something? |
| 09:02.18 | Phated | gotik0: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 09:02.46 | peterS | Phated: public transportation isn't great in this town. there *might* or might not have been a bus going approximately that direction at approximately that time. I've never really checked out bus schedules because I normally have my bike |
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| 09:04.02 | Phated | peterS: Ah, fair enough. Take two foot soaks and call me in the morning. :) |
| 09:04.03 | gtx | anyone familiar with qmail? |
| 09:04.38 | peterS | gtx: #debian is a pretty tough audience for qmail questions. it's not in debian, being non-free and all, so most people here use exim, exim4 or postfix |
| 09:05.01 | gtx | hmm. good point |
| 09:05.39 | peterS | gtx: the qmail copyright license problem stems from the author's desire for qmail to behave identically on all systems - thus he limits how you're allowed to modify it |
| 09:05.56 | gtx | i see |
| 09:06.01 | peterS | gtx: as such, a qmail-specific support forum should work fine, since the debian version won't actually differ much if any from the upstream version |
| 09:06.19 | gtx | ok, thanks for the input |
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| 09:06.46 | peterS | I think there is a #qmail channel on this network. I've never been there, though |
| 09:06.58 | gotik0 | what server do i need under my sources.list to get nonfree apps |
| 09:07.12 | peterS | Phated: two foot soaks doesn't sound like such a terrible idea. I probably won't do it, but it's a thought. (: |
| 09:07.32 | peterS | gotik0: same servers you already use, but add the word 'non-free' after the word 'main' on the line |
| 09:07.39 | Kog | peterS: is a hot bath possible? |
| 09:07.52 | peterS | gotik0: and you probably want the word 'contrib' there too, since contrib is sort of a first cousin to non-free |
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| 09:08.02 | peterS | Kog: unfortunately my place isn't equipped for hot baths |
| 09:08.25 | holycow | *hmmm* i have a machine here running a webserver, if i nmap it from the local server it shows port 80, if i nmap it from the rest of the network it doesn't show port 80 as open ... i don't remember iptables being installed (minimal base install) ... what can i check to find out if there is some 'firewalling' going on herea? |
| 09:08.28 | Kog | peterS: yeah... I've got a stall shower myself |
| 09:08.30 | holycow | -a even |
| 09:08.33 | Reveal | something really weird here ... after debian upgraded my spamassassin from 2.6 to 3.0 ... it stopped filtering spam ... all spam comes thru ... allready converted my Basian database to the new version, nothing seems to help :(((( |
| 09:08.38 | peterS | Kog: (not for the usual reason: in my case, there exists a tub, but there does not at the moment exist hot water) |
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| 09:08.57 | Kog | peterS: yeah... they also shut off my hot water - they're fixing steam pipes heh |
| 09:09.23 | peterS | ah, heh. I'm man enough to take cold showers in the winter when necessary, although I'm not Scandanavian enough to *enjoy* this (: |
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| 09:10.08 | Phated | peterS: There's a reason girls do them after a long shopping expedition. :) |
| 09:10.09 | Kog | peterS: more importantly, the "hot" part of the water is what soothes sore muscles |
| 09:10.23 | Kog | Phated: hahaha |
| 09:10.31 | peterS | Kog: ahh, yeah. oh well. I'm sure I'll be a bit sore tomorrow, but one pays the price and moves on (: |
| 09:10.49 | Kog | peterS: indeed |
| 09:10.59 | peterS | Phated: right, right. at least I wasn't wearing ridiculously uncomfortable shoes for my 17 miles, like girls might (: |
| 09:11.25 | Kog | peterS: gender battles... probably not gonna help you feel any less sore |
| 09:11.34 | peterS | "but they're so cute" is *not* a reason to wear uncomfortable shoes |
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| 09:11.57 | Solet | nvz can you help me clean up gnome now? |
| 09:12.05 | peterS | Kog: I Phear not teh Phated. she might throw knives but she'd do it gently |
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| 09:12.13 | bernouli | i use firefox 1.0, if i open a flash site, it is displayed correctly, only there is no sound, how to solve this problem? |
| 09:12.19 | Phated | peterS: :) |
| 09:12.20 | Kog | peterS: ah... I guess all my friends are just particularly violent then |
| 09:12.33 | ArtVandalae | Is there a pre-packaged kernel that has Hyper-threading features turned on? |
| 09:12.33 | Kog | peterS: maybe because they're drunk right now though |
| 09:12.41 | Phated | peterS: I wear comfortable shoes for shopping, thank you. And they're cute too. |
| 09:12.47 | peterS | Kog: a common ailment just after midnight on a Saturday night, I guess |
| 09:12.55 | peterS | Phated: oh, well *that*'s ok then |
| 09:13.04 | Phated | peterS: But they're cute! :) |
| 09:13.07 | Kog | peterS: no... they started drinking at about 9pm PDT |
| 09:13.23 | Phated | peterS: And you -know- your ph34r teh Phated. :) |
| 09:13.35 | peterS | ArtVandalae: any SMP kernel. like kernel-image-*-686-smp |
| 09:13.49 | ArtVandalae | Cheers |
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| 09:14.33 | peterS | Phated: oh, I know you too well to fear you. you might stab me but you'd feel bad afterwards |
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| 09:15.32 | Phated | peterS: Gosh darn it, you have me figured. |
| 09:15.43 | anakin_a | Anyone know how to set up a remote syslog server? I notice my router has a feature to send logs off... |
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| 09:15.58 | Kog | hrm... X server "no screens found" |
| 09:16.04 | Kog | that's a no good |
| 09:16.04 | peterS | ow. ow. ow. hey, watch it, you almost hit a kidney |
| 09:16.14 | peterS | !no screens found |
| 09:16.15 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 09:16.32 | Solet | kog: its your video card... either it sucks or you set it up wrong (just fixed this problem yesterday) |
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| 09:16.43 | Phated | peterS: "Almost" is key. I "almost" was a boy. :) |
| 09:16.44 | Kog | peterS: I noticed that on a google search... going over my config |
| 09:17.21 | peterS | Kog: most common culprit is, as Solet says, the video driver not detecting the card. one common case is the xfree86 nv driver in debian woody, which doesn't know about any nvidia cards newer than geforce 3 |
| 09:17.30 | Kog | "requesting insufficient memory window" |
| 09:17.40 | Kog | peterS: using sarge/GeForce4 Ti4200 |
| 09:17.44 | peterS | oh, *that*'s a little odd |
| 09:17.50 | Kog | peterS: should I just tell it to use VGA? |
| 09:18.05 | peterS | Kog: you can. you'll get crappy resolution / refresh. |
| 09:18.17 | Kog | peterS: but if Nvidia doesn't work at all... do I have a better alternative? |
| 09:18.24 | Kog | I'm not planning on playing games or anything |
| 09:18.36 | Kog | (that's what the Win2k part of the dual boot is fore) |
| 09:18.38 | Kog | s/fore/for |
| 09:18.52 | peterS | Kog: the vesa driver would be better than the vga driver |
| 09:19.01 | Solet | is nvz still aaround? |
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| 09:19.20 | peterS | Solet: nvz is a lush, it's Saturday night, he ought to be drunk or asleep (: |
| 09:19.25 | Kog | peterS: ok, section "device" driver to "vesa" should help? |
| 09:19.37 | peterS | Kog: just run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and change it that way |
| 09:19.44 | Kog | ok |
| 09:19.46 | Solet | peterS: can you help me prune gnome? |
| 09:19.53 | peterS | Solet: what needs pruning? |
| 09:20.03 | Phated | apt-get remove --purge gnome*? |
| 09:20.10 | Solet | umm not quite |
| 09:20.13 | Solet | i wanna keep gnome |
| 09:20.25 | Solet | i figured out how to use it |
| 09:20.31 | Kog | oh sweet, dpkg-reconfigure not a known command |
| 09:20.35 | scarynetworkguy | Solet: debfoster |
| 09:20.36 | Solet | i just need to know which parts i'm never gonna use |
| 09:21.09 | Solet | scarynetworkguy: onewordnonwordanswersdontmeanshittome |
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| 09:21.22 | gandy909 | just installed woody on a machine with another distro on it that uses grub, so I chose to not setup any boot stuff. my question is, if I had would grub have been a choice for me on a woody 30r4 install of was lilo the only choice? |
| 09:21.40 | peterS | Kog: certainly should be. are you logged in as root? it's in /usr/sbin/ which isn't in non-root users' path by default |
| 09:21.46 | gandy909 | s/of/or/ |
| 09:21.47 | Phated | Kog: As root... |
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| 09:22.06 | Kog | yes I'm root... I'm not THAT big of a noobie heh |
| 09:22.23 | peterS | right, I figured. try /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure then, in case somehow /usr/sbin didn't get into your path as root |
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| 09:22.40 | Kog | lemme just add /usr/sbin to my path... one sec |
| 09:24.11 | peterS | Kog: normally root gets /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin all in its path. not sure how this failed to happen in your case |
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| 09:24.39 | cybernmd | could someone advise me on debian installation on vmware workstation? |
| 09:24.40 | nevyn | su instead of su - |
| 09:24.52 | Solet | peterS: what do the virtual file-system libraries do? |
| 09:25.02 | Kog | nevyn: indeed |
| 09:25.05 | cybernmd | i have trouble starting x, even after i installed vmware tools |
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| 09:25.29 | Kog | hrm. that package isn't installed |
| 09:25.35 | peterS | Solet: libgnomevfs-whatever? that's how gnome apps read files off the disk. the reason a library is used is so that you can plug in other code that makes URL-like things available as "files" |
| 09:26.22 | Kog | which is odd because the apt-get install x-window-system ran me through the configuration |
| 09:26.48 | peterS | Kog: you have no /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure? that is passing strange |
| 09:27.06 | Solet | peterS: what gnome packages do i not need? |
| 09:27.15 | Kog | peterS: no, it says server-xfree86 doesn't exist |
| 09:27.15 | peterS | Solet: I have no idea what you need and what you do not |
| 09:27.27 | peterS | Kog: xserver-xfree86. two exes |
| 09:27.29 | Kog | peterS: now my XF86Config-4 says to run it |
| 09:27.42 | Kog | erm, I knew I should learn how to type |
| 09:27.56 | cybernmd | what do i run to change mouse setting for my x server? |
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| 09:28.14 | peterS | cybernmd: if you use gnome or something, do it through the control panel for whatever you use |
| 09:28.27 | cybernmd | i cant start x |
| 09:28.41 | peterS | Solet: aptitude takes some getting used to if you normally use dselect, but it's got more features and I really like it now that I'm used to it |
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| 09:29.01 | peterS | cybernmd: ok, to change the mouse device and protocol, use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 09:29.04 | cybernmd | peterS: i installed debian in vmware |
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| 09:30.03 | Solet | in dselect, how do i determine which packages are ram eaters and which arent? |
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| 09:31.26 | Kog | ok peterS after being an idiot and mispelling it... got the graphics to work, thanks |
| 09:31.44 | peterS | Kog: oh, cool (: |
| 09:31.48 | Kog | just for my own info.. why not edit the conf manually? |
| 09:32.08 | Kog | especially since my keyboard doesn't seem to like the 104 assignment |
| 09:32.17 | peterS | Kog: you can, but for these kinds of edits you can just as well use dpkg-reconfigure which is easier to do and easier not to screw up (: |
| 09:32.28 | Kog | ah |
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| 09:32.50 | Solet | will the kde packages that are installed interfere with and slow down gnome? |
| 09:32.56 | peterS | Kog: also, note, once you've edited XF86Config-4 manually, dpkg-reconfigure will refuse to touch it |
| 09:33.15 | peterS | Solet: nope. they take up disk space but that's all |
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| 09:33.41 | Kog | peterS: ah |
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| 09:34.27 | peterS | Kog: the comments at the top of XF86Config-4 explain the situation a little, plus give the right 'md5sum' command to convince dpkg-reconfigure to go ahead and overwrite your changes |
| 09:34.42 | b00 | hello. anyone uses via k8t800Pro chipset mboard ? i want to check which kernel options other than the chipset' agp support should be enabled |
| 09:35.18 | Solet | whats corbra? |
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| 09:35.46 | peterS | Solet: CORBA == 'common object request broker architecture'. it's how gnome apps talk to each other. |
| 09:35.58 | Kog | peterS: yeah, indeed... now I'm troubleshooting my keyboard not wanting to work |
| 09:36.13 | ManyaKiz | sLm |
| 09:36.16 | peterS | b00: presumably the UHCI and EHCI USB host drivers. the via82cxxx IDE driver. the rest would be guesswork for me |
| 09:37.12 | ArtVandalae | Hm... I'm slightly confused by this Free As In Speech, but no as in beer. If you had to purchase it to get those advantages, couldn't you just then redistribute for free, since you have redistribution rights? |
| 09:37.26 | peterS | ArtVandalae: correct |
| 09:37.35 | Kog | xfree86 keyboard rule/pc101/us/no variant/no keyboard options |
| 09:38.00 | peterS | ArtVandalae: but in practice, that doesn't stop people from making money selling something. there are quite a few CD distributors, for example, who will burn a set of Debian CDs and ship them to you for a couple dollars each |
| 09:38.23 | ArtVandalae | Hm... seems kind of strange. Because you could just then upload it, and no one would have to pay for it ever again. |
| 09:38.24 | b00 | peterS: yea, usb + ide, mkay |
| 09:38.25 | peterS | well, s/burn/press/ if it's a large distributor, but whatever (: |
| 09:39.04 | sepski | ArtVandalae, people pay you becouse you provide an additional service you woudnt get when you dl it for free. you might get cd's in the mail, or support, or god knows |
| 09:39.17 | ArtVandalae | I see. |
| 09:39.17 | Kog | ArtVandalae: you're not buying the distro, you're buying the plastic |
| 09:39.22 | peterS | ArtVandalae: true. for something which is free-as-in-speech, you can't charge too much for it or nobody would pay. however, if you offer a convenience, like CDROMs of the software (for people who don't have fast Internet access), people will pay for it |
| 09:39.43 | Kog | (plastic and foil I guess is more accurate) |
| 09:39.46 | peterS | right |
| 09:39.58 | sepski | kog maybe a pretty picture on the front ? :) |
| 09:40.06 | peterS | sepski: heh |
| 09:40.08 | Kog | sepski: dunno.. never bought a distro CD |
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| 09:40.14 | sepski | kog: me nither |
| 09:40.17 | Kog | sepski: but yeah... and ink and time |
| 09:40.42 | peterS | Glenn^BF: we hope you enjoyed your stay here in #debian |
| 09:41.01 | Kog | peterS: so... my keyboard doesn't seem to work in X though even after reconfiguring it w/ the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:41.05 | Kog | which is odd |
| 09:41.28 | b00 | could anyone advise: should I compile 64bit kernel for my new system, or first make 32bit kernel, boot it, and then compile 64bit support on it ? |
| 09:41.42 | peterS | Kog: that *is* odd. not unprecedented, though. occasionally the X keyboard driver will fail to work correctly for something where the kernel driver (which provides keyboard access to your text consoles) works fine |
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| 09:42.18 | Kog | peterS: well I'm thinking it's an IBM keyboard and it's got some of those "hot buttons" on it |
| 09:42.26 | Kog | not that I want to use them necessarily... will I need to give it a variant? |
| 09:42.38 | bob2 | b00: you mean for an amd64 machine? |
| 09:42.39 | Kog | it's also got the logos/windows menu key |
| 09:42.43 | Putiikki | how can I get ntpdate start on startup? (what file I should modify?) |
| 09:42.45 | peterS | b00: this is amd64? there already exist 64-bit kernels in Debian unstable, you could just use one of those. for that matter, you might think about just running a 64-bit OS entirely |
| 09:42.46 | b00 | bob2: yes |
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| 09:42.51 | Kog | so I tossed it a 104, didn't work... 101 didn't work either |
| 09:42.57 | bob2 | and why do people keep using the "word" '64bit' when they mean amd64? |
| 09:43.13 | sepski | Kog, usualy they gust give a wierd scancode, but i have seen some that' is just unsuseable without a driver. (on both win and linux) |
| 09:43.15 | peterS | bob2: because no 64-bit hardware existed before AMD made some |
| 09:43.20 | b00 | amd64, why not 64 bit ? |
| 09:43.21 | Kog | bob2: because the G5 is evil and no one uses Intel stuff? |
| 09:43.23 | bob2 | peterS: oh, right |
| 09:43.24 | peterS | bob2: except game consoles, which are like 512-bit |
| 09:43.43 | peterS | b00: because there are quite a few 64-bit machines that are not AMD64. some have existed for 12 years |
| 09:43.46 | bob2 | b00: 64-bit cpus were in use 10 years before amd64 existed |
| 09:43.48 | Kog | sepski: yeah... I've seen FreeBSD tank because of a laptop keyboard scancode heh |
| 09:43.49 | b00 | ok |
| 09:44.11 | b00 | peterS: is there a completely 64-bit Debian ? i guess no |
| 09:44.12 | sepski | kog: witch is why i avoid those damn keyboards with non standard keys like the plauge |
| 09:44.16 | Kog | sepski: so maybe I should just use a different keyboard...? |
| 09:44.20 | peterS | b00: yes, there is |
| 09:44.23 | b00 | :P |
| 09:44.26 | sepski | kog: aye :) |
| 09:44.39 | Kog | sepski: crapola... now I gotta go find a keyboard :( |
| 09:45.02 | peterS | b00: the AMD64 port is not in the Debian archive proper - it's maintained separately for the moment. other 64-bit architectures, like Sun UltraSPARC or SGI R1x000, are in Debian. |
| 09:45.03 | b00 | peterS: would that be a mission to move my existing debian to the 64 bit version ? Do i have to reinstall everything ? |
| 09:45.14 | b00 | i see |
| 09:45.16 | bob2 | b00: yes |
| 09:45.25 | bob2 | moving from i386 to the amd64 currently requires a reinstall |
| 09:45.29 | bob2 | or magic or a chroot |
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| 09:45.33 | peterS | deep magic |
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| 09:45.54 | b00 | err, perhaps I just start with amd64 kernel, + nvidia drivers :P |
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| 09:46.12 | peterS | b00: your choice. bob2 is right, running a full amd64 system would require a reinstall |
| 09:46.34 | bob2 | hm, I'd be impressed if you can run 32-bit applications with a 64-bit kernel + nvidia drivers |
| 09:47.09 | Kog | ok, I'll drop in another keyboard heh |
| 09:47.12 | peterS | bob2: yeah, not sure how the 64-bit nvidia drivers thing would work on a 32-bit /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 09:47.41 | bob2 | well, more the 32-bit libGL talking to the 64-bit kernel |
| 09:48.12 | billy_ | hello folks ( sid, 2.6.8), trying to get bootsplash working... when it reboots the image appears, but the reboot hangs at "ramdisk initialized etc". no errors shown! any pointers thks :) |
| 09:48.26 | peterS | bob2: oh right. nvidia binary kernel module might not take kindly to 32-bit userspace. I got ya now |
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| 09:49.15 | b00 | why is that ? i thought, amd64 kernel gives 64bit user space |
| 09:49.33 | b00 | and, there is 64bit nvidia driver |
| 09:49.39 | Kog | peterS another noob question... I should just need to apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 to upgrade my kernel? or will I need to do more |
| 09:49.53 | b00 | or, i will have just to run in 32 bit mode everying, which is a waste i guess |
| 09:49.57 | bob2 | b00: which is fine assuming all your games are 64-bit |
| 09:50.06 | nevyn | can anyone recommend a rss agregator thingy? |
| 09:50.06 | b00 | urg |
| 09:50.07 | peterS | b00: no. amd64 kernel gives you a 64-bit kernel. if you use the closed-source nvidia driver, the kernel portion of *that* will have to be 64-bit, since it has to match the kernel. |
| 09:50.30 | kruzi | how in debian can i tell what version of mysql is running? |
| 09:50.35 | kruzi | via apt-get |
| 09:50.36 | Kog | can't the latest Linux kernels do dual mode? |
| 09:50.45 | Kog | kruzi: why not just use the cli? |
| 09:50.50 | peterS | kruzi: you don't via apt-get. apt-get tells you what is currently available in the archive, not what's on your system |
| 09:51.04 | peterS | kruzi: use 'dpkg -l mysql-server' |
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| 09:51.41 | peterS | Kog: the amd64 kernel allows you to run 32-bit or 64-bit userspace code. however, there are two difficulties here that bob2 and I are talking about: |
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| 09:51.55 | b00 | ... |
| 09:52.07 | kruzi | ok, and finally whats the command to get into the mysql prompt |
| 09:52.10 | kruzi | to create users etc |
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| 09:52.29 | Kog | kruzi: the CLI is "mysql" |
| 09:52.36 | peterS | Kog: (1) if you want an NVidia binary-only driver, it comes with a kernel component. that'll then have to be 64-bit. and bob2 and I have no idea whether it's engineered so that you can have a 64-bit nvidia kernel module talking to a 32-bit nvidia X driver. |
| 09:52.48 | reNegad3 | hrmm, what do I need to get info about my cpu temp and chasis temp?? do I need lm-sensors and libsensors? |
| 09:52.51 | Solet | how do i change the screen resolution in x? |
| 09:53.08 | Kog | peterS: yeah, saw that... just didn't see you were talking about dualmode bin support |
| 09:53.10 | peterS | Kog: (2) running 64-bit userspace code on a Debian 32-bit install is - not impossible, but really cumbersome. debian packaging wasn't designed to allow it. |
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| 09:54.10 | peterS | Kog: (2a) opposite is not true - 32-bit code on an AMD64 machine will work if you run it in a special 'chroot' mode that has been made available via special packages. however, that's still a bit cumbersome, and in any case would require b00 to reinstall his system with the 64-bit Debian |
| 09:54.39 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:54.44 | Kog | yeah |
| 09:55.03 | Kog | peterS: I had a lot of fun with FBSD on an AMD64 laptop once |
| 09:55.04 | b00 | peterS: but for (1), woudnt the nvidia 64bit driver package already have 64bit kernel component && 64bit X driver ? |
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| 09:55.26 | rjgrel | #debian-amd64 |
| 09:55.35 | bob2 | b00: that requires all your programs using GL to be 64-bit |
| 09:55.44 | peterS | b00: the 64-bit X driver will do you no good, because it won't run on your 32-bit system (never mind the 64-bit kernel). fixing *that* is not too much easier than doing a whole new debian install as a full AMD64 system |
| 09:55.51 | bob2 | which is not a problem in FS land, but is if you want to run proprietary games |
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| 09:56.02 | b00 | urghhhhhhh |
| 09:56.16 | gary | I'm trying to copy a cd in linux, however the program won't allow my normal user to have write permissions. The mount directory is in /home/me/dvd is there a way to make all mounts of the device /dev/hdc available to me? |
| 09:56.20 | greengo | hey everybody whats up |
| 09:56.42 | peterS | bob2: hey, maybe we're worked up over nothing, maybe nvidia has already arranged for DRI to work with 32-bit userspace on AMD64 |
| 09:57.02 | bob2 | that would be impressive |
| 09:57.04 | peterS | I have no idea. it's *possible* they considered this exact case - 32-bit proprietary games on an AMD64 |
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| 09:57.48 | bob2 | also, CSS sucks. I can't just make a single block-element align: center or whatever. |
| 09:57.48 | Kog | bob2: speaking of kernels... all I should need to do is apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 to upgrade my kernel yes? |
| 09:57.58 | Kog | CSS beats the hell outta straight HTML |
| 09:58.00 | bob2 | Kog: and follow the instructions, yes |
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| 09:58.16 | Kog | especially the CSS alternative to useing tables |
| 09:58.19 | CyzarX | how to make my handy drive automount in debian ? |
| 09:58.20 | peterS | Kog: almost nobody really wants a -386 kernel. usually you want -686 or -k7 or similar |
| 09:58.20 | Kog | s/useing/using |
| 09:58.38 | Kog | peterS: I was just grabbing 386 because that's what deb is using now |
| 09:58.50 | bob2 | Kog: yeah, this mess is due to me using block-display <ul>'s instead of a table |
| 09:58.51 | Kog | peterS: but yeah... I'm running an Athlon so I probably want k7 |
| 09:58.55 | peterS | Kog: right, the installer uses a -386 kernel so it will run on really old machines |
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| 09:59.02 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me, I had alsa before, which I installed using apt-get of course, then when I recompiled alsa stopped working and only OSS worked |
| 09:59.17 | bob2 | don't recompile your kernel then |
| 09:59.22 | bob2 | or do so, but include the ALSA modules |
| 09:59.25 | peterS | Kog: if you're upgrading your kernel *anyway*, may as well get something closer to your actual CPU. it won't make much difference, honestly, but you may as well |
| 09:59.35 | Kog | bob2: I've been having a bit of issues w/ using a UL for a nav bar |
| 09:59.44 | Kog | bob2: but that's because my project partner that wrote the stuff is a moron |
| 09:59.54 | Kog | peterS: but k7 will work for athlons yeah? |
| 09:59.54 | bob2 | Kog: hah |
| 09:59.58 | peterS | Kog: yes |
| 10:00.05 | Kog | bob2: seriously? if you saw the crap he produced... you'd agree completely |
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| 10:00.30 | CyzarX | how to make my handy drive automount in debian ? |
| 10:00.30 | Kog | peterS: awesome. you're just savin my ass tonight |
| 10:00.34 | Thaiger | bob2: I didn't see anything in the config for alsa |
| 10:00.41 | bob2 | Thaiger: look harder |
| 10:00.46 | bob2 | assuming you're using 2.6 |
| 10:00.51 | bob2 | CyzarX: install gnome-volumen-manager |
| 10:00.55 | bob2 | er, spelt correctly |
| 10:01.02 | bob2 | if you use KDE, YHL, HAND, HTH. |
| 10:01.14 | CyzarX | bob2, im using kde |
| 10:01.24 | bob2 | #debian-kde |
| 10:01.31 | CyzarX | bob2, does gnome-volume-manager work on kde ? |
| 10:01.40 | bob2 | doubt it |
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| 10:01.54 | gary | Guys, you don't have to mount a dvd to watch it do you? I thought that dvds are not mounted they are just accessed? |
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| 10:01.56 | bob2 | they probably have their own OMG-I-can't-believe-it's-not-GVM |
| 10:01.57 | digital_ | it will work => but u will need gnome libs |
| 10:02.01 | bob2 | gary: no, you don't |
| 10:02.09 | gary | bob2: hmmm, thanks |
| 10:02.10 | bob2 | gary: they can be mounted, but you don't need to |
| 10:02.39 | gary | oh right, just trying to backup a dvd, but the application can't seem to access my device /dev/hdc |
| 10:02.53 | bob2 | data cds get mounted, if that's what you mean |
| 10:02.59 | Putiikki | how can I get ntpdate start on boot? (what file I should modify?) |
| 10:03.24 | gary | bob2: it is an actual dvd, but i tried mounting it with -t auto and it doesn't seem to work |
| 10:03.28 | drac | Putiikki: if you installed it with apt-get, it should allready do that. |
| 10:03.33 | Kog | erm... there were no instructions for the apt-get of the kernel image |
| 10:03.35 | bob2 | gary: indeed, the type is udf. |
| 10:03.40 | peterS | Putiikki: /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 10:03.41 | gary | oh right, thanks |
| 10:03.51 | Putiikki | ok, thanks |
| 10:04.06 | gary | bob2: i just get the error message: mount: unknown filesystem type 'udf' |
| 10:04.16 | bob2 | gary: sounds like your kernel is crap |
| 10:04.18 | gary | when i try mount -t udf /dev/hdc /mnt/dvd |
| 10:04.21 | gary | shitz0r |
| 10:04.23 | bob2 | proper Debian ones include it |
| 10:04.23 | Kog | ok... reboot time, see ya'll in a sec |
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| 10:04.25 | peterS | gary: debian kernels all have the udf filesystem available. where'd you get your kernel? |
| 10:04.32 | Kog | \quit ReBoot! |
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| 10:04.34 | Kog | ... |
| 10:04.45 | gary | just from the default installation. Oh actually, my friend upgraded it for me |
| 10:04.47 | gary | two second |
| 10:05.09 | gary | 2.4.18-bf2.4 hmm, i thought he installed 2.4 |
| 10:05.14 | peterS | gary: if you installed debian 3.0, you should install a better kernel. 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' and pick something that looks like your CPU |
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| 10:05.39 | nornagon | I've found a font I want to use elsewhere in the GIMP. How do I make GIMP tell me where that font's file is? |
| 10:05.43 | peterS | gary: when I said "all debian kernels" I really meant "all debian kernels except the ones used for initial installation", sorry |
| 10:05.54 | bob2 | the gimp doesn't know where the font's file is |
| 10:06.03 | gary | peterS: yea thats right, we did that, however when i rebooted the computer would automatically reboot before reaching lilo. So we entered rescue mode, and re-installed lilo |
| 10:06.04 | nornagon | bob2: How does it list the fonts then? |
| 10:06.09 | gary | But it seems it's still using the old one now |
| 10:06.23 | peterS | gary: ehhh. don't know what's wrong there, then |
| 10:06.30 | gary | hmm, strange |
| 10:06.58 | bob2 | nornagon: the X server or libfontconfig tells it |
| 10:07.04 | nornagon | I've done 'locate -i qub' ('qub' is the name of the font) and it turned up nothing |
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| 10:07.23 | nornagon | Is there any way I can make X tell me where it is? |
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| 10:07.54 | nevyn | ? |
| 10:08.02 | gary | peterS: could it be that the other kernel is installed but it is just not in use. Or that lilo just doesn't know about it? |
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| 10:08.34 | peterS | gary: anything like that is possible. make sure you put the initrd line into lilo.conf like it prompted you to do during the install of this other kernel |
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| 10:09.47 | Putiikki | how can I get folding@home start on boot then? :) |
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| 10:10.10 | Kog | I'll be damned... the new keyboard works in X |
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| 10:10.13 | nornagon | Ah, no problem, found it. |
| 10:10.19 | nornagon | yay for grep |
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| 10:10.54 | modeman | man, i cannot figure out sound... |
| 10:11.18 | modeman | should there bea symlink from dsp ---> /dev/dsp0 ? |
| 10:11.29 | cahoot | nornagon: just curious - xfontsel doesn't show the font? |
| 10:11.35 | modeman | i am getting access denied |
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| 10:11.46 | nornagon | cahoot: It does |
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| 10:12.22 | peterS | modeman: as root: 'adduser yourusername audio'. as user: log out, log back in |
| 10:12.31 | modeman | aha! |
| 10:12.33 | modeman | thanks!!! |
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| 10:12.42 | sanxiyn | "That's a semicolon, not a colon." -- debian-vote |
| 10:12.46 | gary | What machine architecture would an AMD Athlon be counted as? |
| 10:12.55 | TinoW | hi |
| 10:13.00 | Kog | gary: k7 |
| 10:13.01 | el` | gary: k7 ? |
| 10:13.03 | gary | ah thought so |
| 10:13.04 | el` | yea |
| 10:13.05 | gary | thanks |
| 10:13.08 | Kog | just went through that ;) |
| 10:13.11 | modeman | seemed to take, logging out/in |
| 10:13.14 | el` | heh |
| 10:13.14 | modeman | and thanks |
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| 10:13.27 | Noob | Dose anyone know how to make the letters that display on web pages smaller |
| 10:13.40 | Kog | noob - your browser has a setting for that |
| 10:13.44 | el` | Noob: What browser? |
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| 10:13.47 | nornagon | IS there a way to convert pcf to ttf? |
| 10:13.51 | sanxiyn | Noob: which browser? |
| 10:13.52 | Noob | I just finished installing sarge.. the letters fronts are way to big |
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| 10:13.57 | holycow | Noob, in firefox ctrl / - or ctrl / + |
| 10:14.04 | Noob | Firefox |
| 10:14.10 | el` | What holycow said. |
| 10:14.13 | Noob | I aptgot the new vershion |
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| 10:14.23 | sanxiyn | Noob: It's in the menu... |
| 10:14.24 | Kog | or if your mousewheel works control and mousewheel (direction) |
| 10:14.34 | sanxiyn | Noob: Or, ctrl + mouse wheel. |
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| 10:14.39 | el` | heh |
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| 10:14.53 | rixth | How can I force the CD rom to eject? It's been locked by another application (not sure which)? |
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| 10:15.00 | gary | peterS: hmm, i can't find anything about initrd in my lilo.conf |
| 10:15.03 | Solet | how do i change screen resolution in X? |
| 10:15.07 | Noob | I already tried that didnt work |
| 10:15.08 | sanxiyn | I think it's View > Font size > Increase or so. |
| 10:15.12 | gary | Perhaps that's why it doesn't work |
| 10:15.21 | rixth | Solet: what GUI are you using? |
| 10:15.26 | sanxiyn | Noob: Which webpage? |
| 10:15.29 | peterS | gary: you should have read the dialog box you were presented when the new kernel was being installed. it told you what to put in there |
| 10:15.32 | Noob | all of them |
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| 10:15.42 | sanxiyn | Noob: Try debian.org. Does it work? |
| 10:15.47 | peterS | gary: basically 'initrd=/initrd.img' after the 'image=/vmlinuz' line |
| 10:15.49 | gary | peterS: i'm sure we did put something in lilo.conf |
| 10:15.51 | Noob | the fronts on the word processor are also displayed larg |
| 10:15.59 | sanxiyn | Noob: ? |
| 10:16.00 | cybernmd | on irc, how do i check when was the last time a nick logged in? |
| 10:16.08 | rixth | In Gnome it's Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Screen Resolution |
| 10:16.17 | Noob | k let me c |
| 10:16.20 | el` | rixth: as root init 1, and then init 2 (if thats what you're in), that should kill the process locking it.. otherwise you can try killing each process until you find the right one :P |
| 10:16.22 | peterS | cybernmd: /msg seenserv seen foo |
| 10:16.27 | cybernmd | danke |
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| 10:16.35 | gary | hmmm, peterS i'll reboot now to see if it works? |
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| 10:16.46 | modeman | peterS: still no sound but the error messages went away. what else can i do to get sound going? |
| 10:16.52 | peterS | gary: you're aware of the requirement to run /sbin/lilo after changing lilo.conf, right? |
| 10:17.00 | gary | yep |
| 10:17.17 | gary | oh, error: Initrd.img was not found |
| 10:17.18 | Noob | the menue says 800x600 |
| 10:17.19 | modeman | peterS: just installed alsa, brought me up another kernel version, i have the right driver... |
| 10:17.30 | peterS | modeman: at this point it's probably a mixer setting issue. many/most sound drivers in Linux mute the volume when they load, so you have to turn up the volume before you get any sound |
| 10:17.35 | el` | modeman: alsaconf yet? |
| 10:17.39 | peterS | modeman: run 'alsamixer' or 'aumix' |
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| 10:17.44 | modeman | k |
| 10:17.44 | gary | That probably means the kernel wasn't installed right? |
| 10:17.49 | modeman | u rule |
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| 10:18.22 | el` | lol |
| 10:18.24 | rixth | el`: It was apt-get, and every few minutes or so, my computer locks up for ten seconds |
| 10:18.45 | sanxiyn | Oh it sucks. Unit tests failing... |
| 10:18.46 | el` | rixth: apt-get is doing it, or ? |
| 10:18.53 | peterS | gary: initrd.img should not be capitalised |
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| 10:19.09 | gary | thanks, it wasn't. It was just the way i typed it |
| 10:19.35 | Putiikki | how can I get folding@home start on boot? |
| 10:19.56 | Kog | modeman: so what'd you do to fix /dev/dsp not being found? |
| 10:20.02 | Kog | modeman: besides adding yourself to audio? |
| 10:20.13 | modeman | lol nothing |
| 10:20.23 | modeman | still no sound tho |
| 10:20.30 | Noob | the scree res says 800x600 shoulkd I chage it to somehing else |
| 10:20.41 | modeman | tried to run kscd but it doesnt even see the disk |
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| 10:21.07 | modeman | Kog: are youy having similar adio deficiencies? |
| 10:21.08 | basse | hi, I noticed two apache log analyzers in apt-cache.. which one you would say is better, awstats or webalizer ? |
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| 10:21.17 | Kog | modeman: I'm seeing /dev/dsp doesn't exist |
| 10:21.21 | rixth | I'm not sure wahts locking up my system |
| 10:21.22 | Kog | modeman: yet I'm part of the audio group |
| 10:21.24 | modeman | do this |
| 10:21.34 | el` | basse: I like awstats, *shrug* |
| 10:21.35 | modeman | ls -al ds* |
| 10:21.37 | PlanarPlatypus | Noob: depends on your monitor, probably yes |
| 10:21.41 | Noob | sorry for the spelling the letters are so big it's hard for me to see I need to somehow decrease the size |
| 10:21.42 | modeman | in /dev |
| 10:21.50 | Kog | modeman: /dev/dsp exists on an ls |
| 10:21.58 | modeman | right |
| 10:22.02 | modeman | what else is there? |
| 10:22.14 | Kog | dsp1 |
| 10:22.17 | Solet | i dont have "desktop preference" in my "applications" section |
| 10:22.19 | modeman | and alsamixer rules peterS |
| 10:22.25 | Solet | and i cant find it anywhere |
| 10:22.27 | Gnea | ok, this is totally off-topic, but is there anyone around here who ever played magic: the gathering? i'm looking for opinions on a web-page design |
| 10:22.30 | Noob | would that make the letters on websites look normal and not all big |
| 10:22.33 | gary | right, i'm installing kernel-image-2.4-k7 |
| 10:22.34 | modeman | no dsp0? |
| 10:22.39 | gary | hope this works... |
| 10:22.39 | Kog | Gnea: I have |
| 10:22.40 | Gnea | everyone else is asleep heh |
| 10:22.40 | rixth | Are the ports for TCP & UDP different? Can I use TCP 2000 at the same time as UDP 2000? |
| 10:22.45 | el` | rixth: run "top" in a terminal, anything eating up all your resources? |
| 10:22.45 | Kog | modeman: no, just dsp and dsp1 |
| 10:22.58 | modeman | shouldn't there be a dsp0 ? |
| 10:22.59 | rixth | Nope, nothing to speak of |
| 10:23.20 | PlanarPlatypus | Noob: probably, it depends on other factors as well |
| 10:23.20 | Kog | modeman: hell if I know |
| 10:23.20 | gary | nearly there... |
| 10:23.20 | bob2 | rixth: yes, you can |
| 10:23.20 | Kog | I've never had a sound device in my nix boxes heh |
| 10:23.20 | gary | 86% [4 kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 10462352/12.1MB 86%] 235kB/ |
| 10:23.26 | gary | 235kb/sec :D |
| 10:23.27 | modeman | heh, i have it and the symlink is pointing dsp -> dsp0 |
| 10:23.30 | el` | rixth: TCP and UDP are seperate protocols |
| 10:23.40 | Kog | gary: why are you gett 2.4.27? |
| 10:23.40 | modeman | Kog: neither have i! |
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| 10:23.57 | el` | separate* |
| 10:23.58 | Noob | k I'm getting a mesage thats asking me what kernel i'm useing is there a command to find out which kernel I have installed |
| 10:23.59 | Kog | modeman: I use FreeBSD on servers all the time... but I can't imagine it'd be much different ;) |
| 10:24.06 | Kog | Noob: uname -r |
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| 10:24.24 | modeman | yea, it's all relative. |
| 10:24.39 | gary | Kog: is there anything wrong with it? |
| 10:24.48 | Kog | Gnea: It's hard to read because of the colors |
| 10:25.02 | Kog | Gnea: further, I'd assume anyone buying it would have a list showing rare/common/uncommon |
| 10:25.13 | gary | i just done that Kog : apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-k |
| 10:25.17 | modeman | Kog: you never attempted to run sound on any other system? |
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| 10:25.24 | Solet | damnit why cant i find where to change my screen resolution!? |
| 10:25.25 | gary | -k7* |
| 10:25.34 | Gnea | Kog: the colors are set that way on purpose to make it easier to read |
| 10:25.41 | rixth | Does anyone else experience the glitch with VNCviewer where they can't scroll if the hosts screen res is bigger than yours? |
| 10:25.42 | bob2 | Solet: because it's not simple |
| 10:25.43 | Noob | comand not found |
| 10:25.44 | modeman | Kog: i find it to be a huge PITA to get working, but then again i have little patience =) |
| 10:25.47 | Kog | modeman: I usually run my nix boxes for servers... no need for sound |
| 10:25.55 | Noob | username -r |
| 10:25.58 | Kog | modeman: nor for xwindows |
| 10:26.02 | bob2 | Noob: uname |
| 10:26.03 | Gnea | Kog: like if you look at the bottom of the list, is it not more difficult to tell how many of each are available? |
| 10:26.24 | Kog | Noob: uname... |
| 10:26.24 | bob2 | Noob: please read what people say |
| 10:26.24 | TinoW | Solet: xf86cfg |
| 10:26.24 | Kog | Gnea: so use HRs every once in a while |
| 10:26.33 | Kog | Gnea: or something like that |
| 10:26.40 | Kog | Gnea: further, you shouldn't need more than 4 colors ;) |
| 10:26.40 | modeman | Kog: same here, only use them for web, ssh, and music for work. |
| 10:26.45 | Noob | I did I typed in my user name I just said user name because I didnt want to give it out |
| 10:26.46 | Gnea | Kog: will take that into consideration, thank you :) |
| 10:26.59 | Kog | Gnea: cool, you might also want to list a price for people w/out a catelog |
| 10:27.00 | el` | "uname" |
| 10:27.01 | Noob | ok sorry your right |
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| 10:27.12 | CyzarX | my debian lsmod dont have usb-uhci, how do i get this ? |
| 10:27.21 | Kog | modeman: interestingly the mixer app shows my sound card |
| 10:27.25 | Gnea | Kog: well this is just a template, the system it's gonna be used in will be much more streamlined than that |
| 10:27.27 | TinoW | CyzarX: modprobe usb-uhci |
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| 10:27.33 | Kog | Gnea: figured as much |
| 10:27.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:27.41 | modeman | Kog: might just be for null output |
| 10:27.43 | Kog | Gnea: you gonna SQL back-end it and turn it into an app? |
| 10:27.53 | Solet | bob2: how do i do it? |
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| 10:28.08 | Gnea | Kog: not sure yet, i'd have to have a good reason, financially, to go that far... |
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| 10:28.24 | Kog | Gnea: dude, sourceforge needs more random projects |
| 10:28.31 | Kog | Gnea: or you could use PG and put it on pgfoundry |
| 10:28.32 | xk | What is the proper fix to install a package that depends on another package that has been replaced by yet another package? |
| 10:28.32 | modeman | Kog: did you attempt alsa install? |
| 10:28.45 | Noob | great almost done--- is this the new kernel for sarge 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 10:28.46 | bob2 | xk: making the maintainer fix the dependencies |
| 10:28.46 | Kog | modeman: no, in fact... I have no idea what alsa even does |
| 10:28.48 | rixth | nmap shows 2000/tcp filtered callbook (I'm using port 2000 for eMule/aMule) any idea how I can make it unfiltered as I believe that is what is preventing me from connecting. |
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| 10:29.05 | rixth | Port forwarding is set up fine, but GRC Shields Up sees the port as stealthed |
| 10:29.08 | xk | bob2: hrm... well... it's an external deb source. |
| 10:29.18 | CyzarX | tinoW FATAL: Module usb_uhci not found. |
| 10:29.18 | xk | I don't understand why the package has to be renamed. |
| 10:29.26 | Gnea | Kog: good point, i'll have to give it some more thought and work |
| 10:29.39 | xk | why doesn't debian handle that case properly? |
| 10:29.43 | Kog | Gnea: heh |
| 10:29.50 | bob2 | xk: it has nothing to do with Debian |
| 10:29.56 | Kog | modeman: someone said that maybe a modprobe might "fix" it |
| 10:29.58 | Noob | is this the most recent kernel for sarge or is there a newer one 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 10:30.07 | xk | bob2: yes it is... it's doesn't respect that situation properly. |
| 10:30.13 | bob2 | xk: no, it's not |
| 10:30.18 | Kog | Noob: 2.6.8-2 I think should be the recent linux kernel |
| 10:30.23 | bob2 | xk: it's either apt or the package itself that is buggy |
| 10:30.25 | xk | bob2: if a package replaces another, any package that depends on an old package should respect the newpackage. |
| 10:30.28 | Kog | Noob: it's the one i just grabbed at any rate |
| 10:30.34 | Noob | thanks everybody I'm all set |
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| 10:30.43 | bob2 | xk: no, the new package should Provide it, too |
| 10:30.45 | Kog | Noob: did you just read what I typed.../ |
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| 10:30.51 | el` | xk: are these official repositories? |
| 10:30.55 | bob2 | iirc |
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| 10:31.13 | Noob | yes think so .. it's hard to ready anything because the leters are huge |
| 10:31.18 | rixth | When I nmap a Windows machine, I get a port back as 'filtered' how do I stop it from stealthing/filtering? |
| 10:31.19 | Kog | Noob: heh |
| 10:31.20 | xk | el`: not official. just that they provide packages that haven't been packaged yet... but depend on newer and renamed packages. |
| 10:31.22 | sanxiyn | Noob: heh |
| 10:31.28 | Kog | Noob: 2.6.8-2 I think is the most current |
| 10:31.30 | bob2 | rixth: did you read the manpage yet? |
| 10:31.38 | peterS | xk: if foo 3.3 was replaced by foo-fork 0.1, and a package depends on foo (>= 2.0), how would apt know foo-fork was suitable? |
| 10:31.39 | Kog | Noob: anyway... I wouldn't use the 2.4 when 2.6 is available |
| 10:31.40 | Noob | just finished instal sarge about... 20 miniutes ago |
| 10:31.52 | bob2 | rixth: also, if you don't understand the basics of what tcp ports are, nmap is only going to confuse you |
| 10:31.55 | el` | xk: thats the problem then, does the package exist that you need on another repository? |
| 10:31.59 | Noob | is there a coomand that will upgrade the kernel |
| 10:32.14 | Kog | Noob: the apt-get will do everything you need |
| 10:32.16 | xk | peterS: if it's replaced, it must be suitable, otherwise it shouldn't have been replaced. |
| 10:32.19 | sanxiyn | Noob: Just install kernel whatever kernel you want, or compile one. |
| 10:32.20 | bob2 | oh, it's sunday |
| 10:32.20 | Kog | Noob: including updating GRUB |
| 10:32.24 | bob2 | xk: Replaces doesn't mean that |
| 10:32.25 | Noob | that's what the message is telling me to do |
| 10:32.31 | rixth | I get the basic SYN, ACK, RST & FIN |
| 10:32.32 | CyzarX | my debian lsmod dont have usb-uhci, how do i get this ? |
| 10:32.32 | Kog | Noob: it's actually pretty nice |
| 10:32.32 | peterS | xk: foo-fork Replaces: foo. how does apt know whether this happened before or after foo hit 2.0? |
| 10:32.35 | bob2 | xk: all it means is that it replaces some of the files, and dpkg shouldn't complain |
| 10:32.43 | el` | xk: google for "/etc/apt/preferences" to manually set a package priority, not sure if it will work in this case, but it's a start I guess |
| 10:32.47 | modeman | Kog: holy crap it works! |
| 10:32.54 | modeman | thanks a million, peterS |
| 10:32.57 | Noob | is there a comand to type such as apt-get upgrade kernel |
| 10:32.59 | Kog | modeman: mine - she's still a no work |
| 10:33.04 | modeman | alsa? |
| 10:33.09 | sanxiyn | Noob: No. |
| 10:33.11 | bob2 | Noob: please stop it |
| 10:33.11 | Kog | Noob: the apt-get install will do EVERYTHING you need |
| 10:33.13 | peterS | !real kernel |
| 10:33.13 | dpkg | hmm... real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, including local roots & remote DoSes |
| 10:33.17 | Solet | i cant figure out how to change resolution... and i'm not gonna be able to since currently all my dialog boxes hang off the edge of the screen where i cant get to them.... what the fuck do i do? |
| 10:33.22 | Kog | Noob: minus removing the 2.4 from GRUB/your system |
| 10:33.28 | bob2 | Solet: you really need to chill out |
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| 10:33.40 | el` | Solet: do it at a console :P |
| 10:33.54 | el` | Solet: correct the problem, that is. |
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| 10:34.14 | sveglio | can someone help me with a problem with wine??? |
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| 10:34.19 | Solet | do what at a console? if it = change resolution, whats the commande? |
| 10:34.21 | sanxiyn | Solet: I have a menu item to change screen resolution, but guess it doesn't help... |
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| 10:34.41 | Kog | modeman: might be because I'm using AC97 |
| 10:34.44 | el` | Solet: What wm/de are you using? |
| 10:34.44 | bob2 | Solet: you need to figure out *what* you're doing, first |
| 10:34.49 | modeman | Solet: stupid question, did you try alt + ? |
| 10:34.50 | bob2 | Solet: why do you want to change it? |
| 10:34.58 | bob2 | because the auto-configuration didn't work? |
| 10:34.58 | rixth | bob2: I read the man page for nmap (or the parts that concern me) and found nothing about what filterd means. |
| 10:35.04 | Solet | bob2: sorry for being edgy, but its 4:30 am and i cant see half my dialogs cause they drop off the edge of the world |
| 10:35.24 | xk | el`: hrm... problem is this... there are two lib packages and two apps are fighting over each of them. I'm not sure if apt-pinning will help. |
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| 10:35.33 | sveglio | When I use WINE the programs works correctly, but I can not read the test because it is composed of strange letters.... |
| 10:35.39 | xk | although... I'll try. |
| 10:35.45 | sanxiyn | sveglio: /join #winehq. Thanks. |
| 10:35.53 | xk | bah... it won't work. |
| 10:35.55 | modeman | Kog: should see it, you ought to check into the unstable in debian.org/packages |
| 10:35.59 | bob2 | rixth: filtered = DROP, open = something listening on it, unfiltered = REJECT |
| 10:36.04 | bob2 | assuming you know iptables |
| 10:36.04 | sveglio | thanks |
| 10:36.05 | el` | xk: well, like I said, it's a start :) |
| 10:36.06 | xk | I'll do what I used to do 6 years ago, butcher /var/lib/dpkg/stutus :) |
| 10:36.12 | el` | lol |
| 10:36.22 | Kog | modeman: what's this about ALSA? |
| 10:36.28 | Kog | modeman: should I apt-get it? |
| 10:36.31 | modeman | have you tried it? |
| 10:36.33 | modeman | well, |
| 10:36.39 | Kog | I don't even know what it is... |
| 10:37.01 | el` | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture |
| 10:37.05 | el` | = ALSA |
| 10:37.07 | el` | :) |
| 10:37.07 | Kog | lsmod says snd_via82xx 29604 2 |
| 10:37.15 | Kog | so it obviously sees my AC97 |
| 10:37.18 | modeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.53 | modeman | i was running 2.4.18 and when i had installed it (from unstable) it is now 2.4.27 |
| 10:38.01 | xk | I LOVE INCONSISTENT DEBIAN PACKAGES |
| 10:38.11 | bob2 | xk: make the maintainer fix them |
| 10:38.12 | bob2 | duh |
| 10:38.13 | xk | who the hell shafted a cvs package into sarge? |
| 10:38.17 | xk | and renamed it |
| 10:38.20 | xk | it's so fucking stupid |
| 10:38.28 | sanxiyn | xk: Which package? |
| 10:38.41 | bob2 | some random one from outside Debian |
| 10:38.41 | xk | unless it's one of the sources I have... |
| 10:38.42 | modeman | the first time i tried it i forgot the initrd under vmlinuz and made my system unbootble! |
| 10:38.48 | modeman | thanks God for ghost |
| 10:38.51 | sanxiyn | bob2: Heh. |
| 10:38.59 | rixth | bob2: how can I stop stealthing it? (the host is running XP) |
| 10:39.00 | Thaiger | I had alsa working, but recompiled my kernel, now its broken. What do I have to compile into my kernel to get alsa to work? I don't see anything in the config about alsa or the snd module |
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| 10:39.03 | sanxiyn | Yes, renaming package is generally not a good thing. |
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| 10:39.09 | rixth | DO you know of a good XP channel? |
| 10:39.14 | xk | weird... ok. it's external... sorry. |
| 10:39.22 | bob2 | "stealthing" is a word made up by idiots who don't understand TCP |
| 10:39.30 | Kog | modeman: modinfo shows I have soundcore compiled |
| 10:39.30 | modeman | Thaiger: yer best bet is to apt-get the right alsa version and start over |
| 10:39.36 | bob2 | if your XP machine has a broken firewall, fix that |
| 10:39.41 | Kog | bob2: stealthing is also not a real word in the first place |
| 10:39.48 | bob2 | indeed |
| 10:39.49 | Kog | bob2: since stealth is not a verb |
| 10:39.49 | modeman | Kog: i had it as well, but alsa is working now! |
| 10:39.58 | rixth | The XP machine has no firewall as it's behind a router (with NAT) |
| 10:40.08 | bob2 | oh man |
| 10:40.09 | bob2 | sundays |
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| 10:40.15 | bob2 | I always forget to look at the calendar |
| 10:40.15 | Thaiger | modeman: so uninstall the packages? |
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| 10:40.17 | rixth | Ah yes, stealth is an adjective, so it doesn't make sense :) |
| 10:40.18 | Kog | sundaes are far better than sundays |
| 10:40.19 | modeman | now, if i coulf only get a cd to play... |
| 10:40.49 | Solet | grrr i keep lagging out on irc too... |
| 10:40.52 | Kog | el`: so should I apt-get ALSA? |
| 10:40.59 | modeman | anyone: is alsaplayer worth the apt-get? |
| 10:41.09 | el` | Kog: Sure, shouldn't hurt anything at this point :) |
| 10:41.22 | gary | bob2: i hate sundays |
| 10:41.23 | el` | kog: Oh, you mean literally |
| 10:41.26 | el` | sec |
| 10:41.39 | modeman | Kog: compare your kernel version to the alsa version |
| 10:41.40 | Kog | el`: well, I mean in the context of getting sound support to work |
| 10:41.41 | Kog | heh |
| 10:41.44 | el` | hehe |
| 10:41.57 | Kog | modeman: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 10:42.04 | el` | Kog: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , should be sufficient |
| 10:42.20 | Kog | el`: ok, lemme go do that |
| 10:42.24 | modeman | el`: in stable or unstable for his ver? |
| 10:42.39 | el` | modeman: what's he running? i didnt see that part of the convo :P |
| 10:42.43 | xk | I know why i'm having this problem.. there's two repositories with basically the same packages... but packaged by different people. |
| 10:42.46 | Kog | 2.6.8-2 |
| 10:42.48 | el` | Conversation, sorry ;)' |
| 10:42.54 | Kog | (on Sarge) |
| 10:42.58 | modeman | Kog: i'm not sure, but it think that the alsa site mentioned k7 versions |
| 10:43.19 | el` | Kog: unstable should be fine |
| 10:43.42 | el` | xk: any reason to keep both? ;) |
| 10:43.45 | Kog | unstable? does that mean I need to give apt-get a flag, or the package name is different |
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| 10:44.00 | rixth | bob2: so how can I stop it from dropping the packets? Do you know of an active XP channel? |
| 10:44.01 | peterS | xk: ah yes, like trying to install suse packages on red hat. just askin' for dependency problems and brokenness (: |
| 10:44.07 | el` | Kog: have to change it, or add the unstable repositories in your sources.list |
| 10:44.18 | Kog | so alsa-base-unstable? |
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| 10:44.23 | xk | peterS: yeah, very similar to that! |
| 10:44.37 | el` | Kog: no.. one sec |
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| 10:44.46 | xk | peterS: fortunately I can pick the newer repository and go with it, heh. |
| 10:44.50 | Kog | el`: sorry, brand new debian user heh |
| 10:44.56 | el` | Kog: no prob at all |
| 10:45.07 | Kog | thankfully I'm not as dumb as when I first joined... that's a relief |
| 10:45.19 | el` | Kog: open /etc/apt/sources.list in your favorite text editor |
| 10:45.39 | Kog | yeah |
| 10:45.41 | Solet | bob2: i want bigger resolution so that my dialog boxes fit on my screen and stop dropping over the edge |
| 10:45.49 | Thaiger | OK I purged the alsa packages and reinstalled them but I still get errors in ALSA lib |
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| 10:46.22 | el` | Kog: do you see where it says stable? change that to stable if you want to go that route |
| 10:46.24 | bob2 | Solet: that's not really a useful answer |
| 10:46.28 | el` | err, "unstable" |
| 10:46.29 | el` | sorry |
| 10:46.32 | bob2 | Solet: I want a bigger paycheck so I can buy a house |
| 10:46.42 | modeman | ok, i did adduser username audio, sound is working, but KsCD doesn't even see the disk |
| 10:46.44 | el` | Kog: nothing wrong with unstable :) |
| 10:46.48 | bob2 | Solet: your hardware supports a higher res than what X setup automatically? |
| 10:46.56 | Kog | atually... it doesn't say stable or unstable |
| 10:46.57 | Thaiger | Do I need to install alsa-modules? |
| 10:46.58 | modeman | i can mount a data cd but cant get an audio going |
| 10:46.59 | Kog | I have testing and main |
| 10:47.03 | el` | Kog: oh? I see |
| 10:47.09 | Kog | (this is on Sarge if it helps) |
| 10:47.17 | Kog | so should I switch testing to unstable? |
| 10:47.22 | el` | Kog: well, testing should be ok too then, just stick with that if you're brave :D |
| 10:47.35 | el` | Kog: Yea, change it to unstable if ya want |
| 10:47.46 | el` | Kog: testing -> unstable |
| 10:47.48 | el` | mmhmm |
| 10:47.49 | Kog | I usually use bleeding edge, so I'm ok with unstable |
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| 10:48.02 | Solet | bob2: i believe so... |
| 10:48.05 | sanxiyn | Kog: Brave soul. |
| 10:48.10 | bob2 | believe or know? |
| 10:48.13 | a-plu | hello every one |
| 10:48.14 | el` | Kog: testing is more so bleeding edge than unstable, as far as I know. |
| 10:48.28 | bob2 | el`: no |
| 10:48.29 | Kog | sanxiyn: I know there are certain products not to do bleeding edge with |
| 10:48.33 | el` | Kog: I could be wrong about that, I've always used unstable |
| 10:48.34 | Kog | sanxiyn: but usually I'm ok |
| 10:48.35 | bob2 | unstable is plenty safe for people to use |
| 10:48.45 | modeman | how can you check an audio cd ? i can;t get it to play or anything? |
| 10:48.49 | bob2 | the only reason we don't encourage new people to use it is because they whine so much |
| 10:48.51 | Kog | el`: so now I should be able to apt-get install alsa-base |
| 10:48.52 | modeman | is it mounted to /cdrom ? |
| 10:48.59 | bob2 | you don't mount audio cds |
| 10:49.00 | el` | Kog: unstable for debian is slightly different than others. |
| 10:49.01 | _rene_ | no, it isn't |
| 10:49.04 | bob2 | modeman: use cdcd |
| 10:49.04 | Solet | well it looks like its in 640*480, and there is no way in hell anyone would ever make a gfx card with max res at 640*-480... thus i believe so |
| 10:49.07 | Kog | el`: oh |
| 10:49.11 | _rene_ | a real breakage can happen every time |
| 10:49.14 | Kog | el`: you mean Debian really means it? |
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| 10:49.17 | bob2 | Solet: no, your monitor |
| 10:49.21 | el` | Kog: Yea, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 10:49.22 | modeman | bob2: i know, but i cant get output at all. i will try that |
| 10:49.23 | _rene_ | don't use sid unless you rteally know what you do |
| 10:49.37 | Solet | monitor max is 1024*786 |
| 10:49.39 | _rene_ | and can fix problems yourself if necessary |
| 10:49.42 | el` | Kog: unstable is quite safe |
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| 10:50.02 | Kog | el`: already using the newest version... apparently I already have alsa |
| 10:50.04 | el` | Kog: That is, I've never had a problem with it |
| 10:50.08 | bob2 | Solet: how much video ram does the card have? |
| 10:50.10 | Kog | should I update it then? |
| 10:50.14 | trask | in my resolv.conf there is a domain and a nameserver, nameserver i guess is dns and the other doesnt make much sence.. |
| 10:50.17 | el` | Kog: Ah I see, run alsaconf then |
| 10:50.19 | _rene_ | el`: then you didn't get the broken libc, sysvinit, etc. |
| 10:50.21 | modeman | bob2: what is cdcd? |
| 10:50.22 | _rene_ | el`: pure luck |
| 10:50.27 | el` | _rene_: hehe |
| 10:50.30 | modeman | bob2: apt-get it? |
| 10:50.35 | Kog | el`: on it |
| 10:50.36 | Solet | bob2: dunno... how would i check? |
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| 10:51.02 | trask | i guess all my net need to work is the dns set correctly |
| 10:51.10 | modeman | Kog: run alsaconf |
| 10:51.19 | Kog | modeman: yeah, did that... says it's good to go |
| 10:51.22 | sanxiyn | _rene_: Pure luck, or having friends to use as guinea pig do help. |
| 10:51.33 | sanxiyn | :-) |
| 10:51.38 | Kog | music player says still no /dev/dsp |
| 10:51.40 | modeman | Kog: no system sounds? |
| 10:51.45 | el` | Kog: hmmm |
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| 10:52.20 | cahoot | Kog: need oss emulation for /dev/dsp - i e snd-pcm-oss |
| 10:52.30 | Kog | oh, I told it to reload the app for soundmixing. maybe that did it? |
| 10:52.46 | Kog | and that's a no... |
| 10:52.54 | Kog | cahoot: I don't follow |
| 10:53.16 | modeman | Kog: make a symlink for dsp -> dsp0 maybe? |
| 10:53.25 | el` | Kog: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss , anything? |
| 10:53.29 | Thaiger | Where do I get the snd modules I thought there was an alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 but now all I see is an alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:53.30 | el` | probably not |
| 10:53.43 | Kog | nope, nothin |
| 10:53.56 | Kog | snd_pcm has something though |
| 10:54.08 | cahoot | Kog: if you use alsa you need snd-pcm-oss to get /dev/dsp which is an OSS thing - alsa uses /dev/snd/pcm.. natively |
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| 10:54.38 | Kog | cahoot: so how do I obtain snd-pcm-oss and what exactly is OSS in this context? |
| 10:54.52 | sanxiyn | !oss |
| 10:54.53 | dpkg | hmm... oss is a catchphrase for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.5 info).. OldSchoolSound |
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| 10:54.55 | modeman | Kog: i would dselect to see if all of the dependencies are present, |
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| 10:55.12 | sanxiyn | (Not helpful...) |
| 10:55.36 | peterS | cahoot: alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-* seem to have either disappeared or just never been built. you can upgrade your kernel to 2.4.27-2-* and install the corresponding alsa-modules package |
| 10:55.40 | modeman | what is the Halloween document? |
| 10:56.45 | peterS | modeman: it's a whole series of Microsoft internal memos and such, leaked to Eric Raymond, who published them with snarky commentary of his own |
| 10:56.47 | Kog | cahoot: so even though I'm running 2.6.8 I'll need OSS because of ALSA? |
| 10:56.55 | sanxiyn | modeman: Some documents from Redmond, and related documents. |
| 10:56.57 | sanxiyn | modeman: http://www.opensource.org/halloween/ |
| 10:56.58 | peterS | modeman: the first was leaked around Halloween a few years ago, hence the name |
| 10:57.04 | cahoot | peterS: yes - was just interfering with kog's problem |
| 10:57.24 | Kog | interfere as you want as long as it helps ;) |
| 10:57.31 | basse | is ".pl" scripts disabled in apache2 automaticly? I have perl and all installed. but still, it will not start scripts |
| 10:57.45 | modeman | oh joy! i love this kinda sh!t, now i can read and drink coffee! |
| 10:57.52 | modeman | bbiab lol |
| 10:58.14 | cahoot | Kog: if you want to use non--alsa-aware apps on an ALSA system you need OSS emulation (pasrt of alsa) the module is snd-pcm-oss |
| 10:58.24 | sanxiyn | modeman: Enjoy your reading. :-) |
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| 10:59.01 | sanxiyn | Well, snd-pcm-oss is included in the Kernel package, in my case. (2.6) |
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| 10:59.16 | sanxiyn | No need to install any additional package. |
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| 10:59.35 | modeman | sanxiyn: thanks =P |
| 10:59.44 | Kog | sanxiyn: but lsmod doesn't show I have it |
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| 11:00.05 | peterS | Kog: so load it. with 'modconf' or just 'modprobe' and edit /etc/modules |
| 11:00.14 | sanxiyn | Kobaz: Try modprobe snd_pcm_oss then. |
| 11:00.31 | el` | damn the tabcomplete |
| 11:00.32 | el` | >< |
| 11:00.33 | el` | :P |
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| 11:00.44 | xk | ERP |
| 11:01.08 | Kog | ok, modprobe loaded it... sweet |
| 11:01.23 | sanxiyn | I wonder why it wasn't automatically loaded tho'. |
| 11:01.38 | tonix | hi guys, i installed viralator + clamav, and all seems to work fine with konqueror and galeon...the problem is with firefox. Firefox don't let viralator to scan zip files! where is the bug? thanks |
| 11:01.39 | Kog | dunno... now it's in /etc/modules though |
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| 11:02.11 | Kog | lsmod sees it... but /dev/dsp still doesn't exist according to Music Player |
| 11:02.32 | Gnea | tonix: viralator? |
| 11:02.50 | Gnea | tonix: is that supposed to scan all files for viruses? |
| 11:03.06 | sanxiyn | Gnea: http://viralator.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 11:03.37 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:03.41 | Gnea | i'm using squidclamav |
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| 11:04.42 | tonix | no, i configured squirm and viralator to scan zip files with clamav. Indeed, konqueror and galeon send the zip file to viralator before to deliver the zip file to the user. Not the same for mozilla, it downloads directly the zip file. |
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| 11:04.56 | tonix | this is strange |
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| 11:06.01 | humbolt | I just switched from kde to gnome and I gonna stay! It is amazing. The things I was always missing under kde are finally there. I love the volume-manager. However, fam blocks umount like it does in kde. What can I do? |
| 11:06.10 | Gnea | tonix: are you telling your webbrowsers to use squid explicitly or are you doing it transparently? |
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| 11:07.13 | Gnea | humbolt: sounds like a groups problem - your user can't mount/umount probably because it's not in the disk group, edit /etc/group and recycle your session |
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| 11:07.40 | Gnea | HAHAHAHHAHAHHA |
| 11:07.40 | xk | chanserv! |
| 11:07.41 | tonix | <Gnea> no, i use transparent proxy |
| 11:07.42 | Gnea | nice |
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| 11:08.24 | sanxiyn | SIGSEGV! |
| 11:08.31 | sepski | enemy territory on my debian sarge. damn windows is living dangerously now :P |
| 11:08.58 | noob | help..im trying to change my httpd.conf coz i cant load apache..i am using vim..my question is how do i save it after i made the changes? |
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| 11:09.10 | Gnea | bam |
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| 11:09.42 | el` | noob: ":wq" to save and quit, me thinks |
| 11:09.47 | el` | no quotes |
| 11:09.52 | el` | :) |
| 11:09.52 | sepski | noob, [esc]:wq and if you dont know vi, why dont you use an easier editor, like pico or nano or whatever |
| 11:10.02 | TinoW | or just man vi |
| 11:10.08 | Kog | vim + regex saved my ass the other day |
| 11:10.13 | TinoW | or get this vi cup |
| 11:10.14 | sanxiyn | vimtutor |
| 11:10.18 | modeman | sanxiyn: on second thought, being a state worker, this is best to be read while getting paid to support XP workstations!!! |
| 11:10.19 | Kog | someone handed me a dirty SQL dump :( |
| 11:10.27 | Gnea | echo yada >> file.txt |
| 11:10.46 | Gnea | perl -p -ie 's/yada/blah/g' file.txt |
| 11:11.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:11.05 | humbolt | I can mount, but famd is using (fuser) /media/usbdisk and therefore I can't unmount! |
| 11:12.08 | Gnea | humbolt: then you need to sync famd's group with the disk group for that block and your group |
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| 11:12.27 | modeman | is it possible to configure a wheel mouse? |
| 11:12.37 | Gnea | possibly |
| 11:12.51 | modeman | i see nothing in the KDE environment that mentions it |
| 11:12.55 | reNegad3 | anyone know how to setup sensors?? |
| 11:13.04 | Gnea | apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 11:13.04 | reNegad3 | or the packages required for sensors? |
| 11:13.07 | el` | modeman: your wheel doesnt work? |
| 11:13.11 | reNegad3 | yer done that |
| 11:13.24 | Gnea | run sensors-detect |
| 11:13.24 | el` | modeman: or you want to be able to map it? |
| 11:13.33 | reNegad3 | ok ta I will try that |
| 11:13.53 | modeman | want to map it |
| 11:14.02 | modeman | but it doesnt work either =) |
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| 11:14.17 | el` | modeman: hmm i see, hehe |
| 11:14.25 | modeman | el`: it works on win |
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| 11:14.52 | sanxiyn | modeman: I think X configuration asks you about wheel mouse. |
| 11:15.24 | el` | sanxiyn: I think it just asks about 3rd button emulation, dont remember mouse wheel, *shrug* |
| 11:15.38 | Gnea | oh man, i just thought of a new joke... "you can either win losers or make winners" |
| 11:15.42 | sanxiyn | el`: I now confirmed that it asks about wheel too. |
| 11:15.49 | modeman | yea, it mentions 3button, not wheel |
| 11:15.50 | el` | sanxiyn: good deal |
| 11:15.51 | sanxiyn | el`: (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) |
| 11:16.08 | el` | sanxiyn: well yea, dpkg-reconfiure, sure =P |
| 11:16.09 | modeman | run that? |
| 11:16.12 | reNegad3 | Gnea, I just done 'modprobe i2c_sensor' then ran 'sensors' and it says 'No sensots found' :( |
| 11:16.12 | el` | yea |
| 11:16.19 | reNegad3 | sensors* |
| 11:16.33 | modeman | sanxiyn: should i run that? |
| 11:16.46 | sanxiyn | modeman: Yes, and it will ask "Enable scroll events from mouse wheel?". |
| 11:16.47 | Kog | brb, reboot |
| 11:16.48 | Kog | exit |
| 11:16.50 | Kog | .. |
| 11:16.52 | modeman | hmmm |
| 11:16.55 | Gnea | reNegad3: right, that's just one module - you need to run sensors-detect and have it scan your ISA and probably SMBus, might have to run it two or three times... |
| 11:17.01 | modeman | sanxiyn: thanks =D |
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| 11:17.08 | el` | modeman: curious, how many buttons your mouse have? |
| 11:17.11 | reNegad3 | ahh k |
| 11:17.25 | Gnea | reNegad3: also depends if the necessary kernel modules are present - in 2.6 they are, in 2.4 you need to patch |
| 11:17.31 | Kasreyn | is there any way you can make X reduce the "virtual" desktopsize along with the resolution ? |
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| 11:17.50 | humbolt | Gnea: must be something else! I am member of the disk group but that is not the problem anyway. it is fam, witch blocks the device from being unmounted. |
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| 11:18.03 | Kasreyn | when you do CTRL+ALT+[+] |
| 11:18.07 | reNegad3 | ahh sweet ;) |
| 11:18.39 | Gnea | humbolt: did you add yourself to the disk group, logout of everything, log back in and try? |
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| 11:20.41 | Gnea | humbolt: also, did you mount it as user or root? |
| 11:20.53 | zouhair | hi, anyone knows any equivqlent to http://www.foobar2000.org/ in Linux ?? |
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| 11:21.40 | sanxiyn | zouhair: zinf |
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| 11:21.46 | Gnea | zouhair: xmms or zinf |
| 11:22.05 | zouhair | xmms is far from 1% of foobar2000 capabilities |
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| 11:22.20 | zouhair | i'll give zinf a try |
| 11:22.21 | cahoot | Kasreyn: try to order the resolutions from high to low in the config |
| 11:22.36 | noob | what is the delete command for debian? |
| 11:22.42 | Gnea | it's a windows app, it sucks by default |
| 11:22.45 | Kasreyn | ok.. ill try that cahoot, thanks |
| 11:22.58 | Gnea | noob: delete what? |
| 11:23.09 | sanxiyn | zouhair: Zinf also works on Windows. Try that too. |
| 11:23.10 | zouhair | hmm zinf also doesn't read mpc files |
| 11:23.28 | holycow | how do you list user accounts on a system in cli? i'm googling zilcho on this |
| 11:23.34 | zouhair | sanxiyn : yeah |
| 11:23.44 | noob | just some copies i made which were useless |
| 11:24.22 | modeman | sanxiyn: in reading the xfree86 config, i am at the point where you choose yes/no to emulate 3-button and it says: |
| 11:24.24 | sanxiyn | (Zinf was once FreeAmp.) |
| 11:24.26 | humbolt | Gnea: I did not mount it at all. I am logged in as user and gnome-volume-manager mounted my usbdisk for me. |
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| 11:25.39 | Gnea | humbolt: usually there's a process accessing the device which prevents umounting from occurring |
| 11:25.45 | ravn | anyone can help me begin with anjuta. How to communicate with Glace code? |
| 11:26.06 | modeman | sanxiyn: note that mouse buttons in excess of five buttons (counting the scrollwheel as two buttons, up and down, and a third if the wheel clicks) are not yet supported with this configuration tool |
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| 11:26.43 | modeman | is there a way to map the buttons outside of this configuration tool? |
| 11:26.53 | humbolt | I told you that this very process is fam daemon! |
| 11:27.06 | sanxiyn | modeman: You can edit XF86Config... |
| 11:28.08 | el` | modeman: How many buttons on your mouse? |
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| 11:29.21 | sanxiyn | modeman: If you have extra left and right button, wheel mouse won't work with default setting. |
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| 11:29.50 | sanxiyn | modeman: Normally, 1/2/3 is left/middle/right button, 4/5 is wheel. |
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| 11:30.02 | modeman | left, right scr-up/scr-down mouse3 click |
| 11:30.10 | sanxiyn | modeman: If you have buttons on the side, 4/5 becomes those extra buttons, and 6/7 is wheel. |
| 11:30.33 | modeman | it is a normal scrool mouse, i would imagine that scr-up/down is 4/5 |
| 11:30.43 | el` | Yea, 4 / 5 |
| 11:30.49 | el` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.51 | sanxiyn | modeman: Ah, than default should work. |
| 11:30.54 | Kog | hrm, /dev/dsp still apparently doesn't exist :( |
| 11:30.54 | el` | Should work |
| 11:31.18 | modeman | lemme adjust it, brb |
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| 11:31.22 | sanxiyn | For those mouses with extra buttons: |
| 11:31.30 | sanxiyn | "Buttons" 7 |
| 11:31.36 | sanxiyn | "ZAxisMapping" "6 7" |
| 11:31.39 | el` | yea |
| 11:31.44 | schizoschaf | hi |
| 11:31.54 | el` | Kog: good luck on that |
| 11:31.56 | el` | night all |
| 11:32.20 | Kog | el`, thanks for your help and have a nice nap |
| 11:32.28 | el` | thankies |
| 11:32.28 | schizoschaf | strange problem: on a whole partition ownership was changed to user 501. definitely wasn't me. security problem? |
| 11:32.35 | modeman | el`: it's in there, zaxis mapping "4 5" |
| 11:32.43 | el` | modeman: still no workie? |
| 11:32.47 | el` | hmm |
| 11:32.51 | modeman | should i log off/on ? |
| 11:33.01 | el` | Wait, it was there before, or it is now? |
| 11:33.24 | modeman | although it WAS in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - my bad! |
| 11:33.24 | cahoot | Kog: so ls -la /dev/dsp returns what? |
| 11:33.42 | el` | I see, well if it wasnt there before you started x, then restart x |
| 11:33.45 | Kog | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-02-20 03:15 /dev/dsp |
| 11:33.50 | sanxiyn | modeman: Yeah, try restarting X. |
| 11:33.54 | Kog | and my user is in the audio group |
| 11:33.58 | modeman | k |
| 11:34.04 | modeman | brb - gnight el` |
| 11:34.06 | Rawplayer | Kog: did you logout/login again? |
| 11:34.07 | el` | nite |
| 11:34.11 | Kog | Rawplayer, yeah, rebooted |
| 11:34.16 | Kog | Rawplayer, (for different reasons) |
| 11:34.25 | sanxiyn | Kog: Hm. So /dev/dsp exists now... |
| 11:34.45 | Kog | sanxiyn, it always existed... but xmms/other apps can't use it |
| 11:35.02 | sanxiyn | Strange. |
| 11:35.10 | Rawplayer | what error do you get? |
| 11:35.13 | el` | Kog: and you said you are in the audio group? |
| 11:35.15 | Rawplayer | when you want to play a mp3 |
| 11:35.20 | cahoot | Kog: tried to make xmms actually use the alsa output? |
| 11:35.35 | sanxiyn | Kog: Try something like cat /bin/sh > /dev/dsp and confirm there's some sound. |
| 11:35.39 | el` | eh |
| 11:35.47 | Kog | cahoot, no, but I will do that |
| 11:35.52 | Kog | sanxiyn, ok |
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| 11:36.26 | Kog | sanxiyn, curious... bash: /dev/dsp: No such device |
| 11:36.31 | humbolt | is there something like the ioslaves in kde available in gnome? in kde I would type fish://hostname to access a host via ssh (sftp). |
| 11:36.39 | Kog | sanxiyn, but my ls /dev/dsp still shows it exists |
| 11:36.43 | Gnea | Kog: lsmod | grep snd | grep oss |
| 11:36.54 | Kog | Gnea, it's there |
| 11:37.13 | Kog | em, snd_pcm_oss that is |
| 11:37.24 | sanxiyn | Strange. |
| 11:37.30 | Gnea | Kog: that's it? |
| 11:37.49 | humbolt | Kog: cd /dev ; MAKEDEV audio |
| 11:37.57 | Kog | snd_pcm_oss, snd_pcm, snd_mixer_oss, snd |
| 11:38.10 | Gnea | ok that looks right |
| 11:38.15 | Kog | humbolt, ? |
| 11:38.19 | sanxiyn | humbolt: Well, ./MAKEDEV. |
| 11:38.21 | cahoot | Kog: no card driver? |
| 11:38.52 | Kog | cahoot, not from an lsmod | grep snd | grep oss |
| 11:39.03 | cahoot | Kog: looks like you need one |
| 11:39.11 | cahoot | Kog: what card? |
| 11:39.14 | Gnea | Kog: a card driver would probably help :) |
| 11:39.19 | Kog | cahoot, I see referenes to snd_via82xx |
| 11:39.26 | cahoot | kog ok |
| 11:39.38 | Gnea | lspci | grep audio |
| 11:39.52 | Kog | 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 11:40.12 | sanxiyn | Strange. |
| 11:40.15 | Kog | (and that's right... I run the on-board AC97) |
| 11:40.32 | sanxiyn | I see nothing wrong. |
| 11:40.46 | Gnea | it's either snd_via82xx or snd_intel8x0 |
| 11:40.54 | cahoot | Kog: alsamixer doesn't complain? |
| 11:41.01 | Kog | Gnea, I'm using a VIA chipset |
| 11:41.08 | Gnea | Kog: right, but... |
| 11:41.08 | sanxiyn | (as we can see from lspci) |
| 11:41.20 | Gnea | 0000:00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce MultiMedia audio [Via VT82C686B] (rev a2) |
| 11:41.33 | Gnea | that one uses snd_intel8x0 |
| 11:41.34 | Gnea | *think* |
| 11:41.35 | Kog | cahoot, alsamixer runs without bitching |
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| 11:41.59 | Kog | although Alsamixer says card: Brooktree bt878 |
| 11:42.04 | cahoot | Kog: what if you run 'aplay <some.wav>' ? |
| 11:42.11 | Gnea | i've got one of those too |
| 11:42.19 | TinoW | Kog: this is your tv card - record only |
| 11:42.45 | Kog | cahoot, lemme find a wav file first |
| 11:42.51 | cahoot | Kog: /proc/asound/cards lists more than one card? |
| 11:43.20 | Kog | cards lists bt87x brooktree |
| 11:43.34 | Gnea | then you don't have the right driver loaded |
| 11:43.38 | Kog | ah |
| 11:43.40 | Gnea | Kog: try this |
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| 11:43.55 | Gnea | modprobe -r snd_via82xxx && modprobe snd_intel8x0 |
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| 11:44.18 | modeman | ok, now i lost sound again lol |
| 11:44.25 | Gnea | heh |
| 11:44.37 | Kog | FATAL: Module snd_via82xxx not found. |
| 11:44.40 | Kog | that's odd... |
| 11:44.44 | Gnea | oookay |
| 11:44.48 | Gnea | maybe take out an x |
| 11:45.07 | Kog | hahah, yeah works ok |
| 11:45.15 | Gnea | sound workin' now? |
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| 11:46.06 | Kog | no |
| 11:46.19 | Kog | and by the way cahoot my XMMS uses ALSA1.2.10 output plugin for its output |
| 11:46.26 | Kog | (just went and checked it) |
| 11:46.37 | cahoot | Kog: check /proc/asound/cards again |
| 11:46.41 | schizoschaf | strange problem: on a whole partition ownership was changed to user 501. definitely wasn't me. security problem? someone nknows? |
| 11:46.55 | Kog | cahoot, still one |
| 11:47.11 | cahoot | Kog: the same bt..? |
| 11:47.23 | Kog | yup... I do have a TV card though - it's an AverTV |
| 11:47.59 | cahoot | Kog: probably that card |
| 11:47.59 | Gnea | schizoschaf: that's like asking "did someone root my box and forget to tell me?!" ;) seriously, get more specific, that didn't sound very intuitive.. |
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| 11:48.31 | cahoot | Kog: seems you don't have alsa running for your sound card |
| 11:48.46 | Kog | cahoot, alsaconf said it setup my via |
| 11:49.03 | paulswm | schizoschaf: Just the top of the tree, all directories, all files, what |
| 11:49.08 | modeman | ok wtf |
| 11:49.11 | sanxiyn | bye |
| 11:49.25 | modeman | i just ran alsaconf and it says no pci or pnp cards installed? |
| 11:49.36 | modeman | i just had sound last session! |
| 11:50.21 | Kog | cahoot, my alsaconf says it configured my via82xx |
| 11:50.24 | modeman | what else can i try ? |
| 11:50.40 | chino | is there a tcp/ip log for every connection made by the computer somewhere ? |
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| 11:51.15 | cahoot | Kog: I'd try rmmod the snd-intel8x0 and modprobe snd-via82xx and recheck /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:51.19 | modeman | chino: netstat ? |
| 11:51.24 | chino | but i mean a log |
| 11:51.26 | Bukowski | i can remenber how we start ssh server ? |
| 11:51.32 | chino | so i can look back to find a ip i dont remember |
| 11:52.02 | chino | Bukowski: you mean to say, "I can't remember how to start the ssh server! Can someone please tell me?" |
| 11:52.09 | modeman | chino: well netstat wont help lol |
| 11:52.14 | chino | lol i know |
| 11:52.19 | chino | but isn't there a log of such things |
| 11:52.55 | Kog | cahoot, did all that (the intel card wasn't in the /proc/modules though) |
| 11:53.09 | Kog | cahoot, the /proc/asound/cards still doesn't list the via82xx |
| 11:53.12 | Bukowski | etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 11:53.15 | Bukowski | ok thanks |
| 11:53.21 | Kog | does the 2.6.8 kernel have an issue with via82xx? |
| 11:53.31 | cahoot | Kog: still no sign of the via card in /proc/asound/crads? |
| 11:53.33 | Bukowski | chino : thanks |
| 11:53.50 | chino | Bukowski: did i translate that properly lol ? |
| 11:53.58 | chino | /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 11:54.01 | chino | i guesed |
| 11:54.10 | Kog | cahoot, nope, just my bt87x |
| 11:54.19 | chino | find the init.d directory find the ssh script run it with start... |
| 11:54.20 | cahoot | Kog: yes noted |
| 11:54.50 | cahoot | Kog: not error when you modprobed? |
| 11:55.01 | Kog | no error on the modprobe |
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| 11:56.41 | modeman | can you only run alsa conf as root? |
| 11:56.57 | bob2 | you don't need to run alsaconf |
| 11:57.22 | cahoot | Kog: and snd-via82xx shows up in /proc/modules? |
| 11:57.26 | modeman | is ther a way to start it otherwise? |
| 11:57.33 | bob2 | modeman: of course not |
| 11:57.35 | modeman | cause it ain't a runnin' |
| 11:57.40 | bob2 | how could it edit config files if it's not root? |
| 11:57.44 | Kog | snd_via82xx 29604 0 - Live 0xe0b69000 |
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| 11:58.21 | modeman | bob2: i understand. how could i have sound in one session, reboot and it's not there? |
| 11:58.37 | bob2 | because you didn't load the modules, probably |
| 11:58.41 | bob2 | edit /etc/modules yourself |
| 11:58.49 | modeman | thanks, brb |
| 11:58.52 | chino | modeman: |
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| 11:59.04 | chino | the kernel is build in modules plugable peices |
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| 11:59.16 | chino | a module is a piece (driver) that you can plug into a running kernel... |
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| 11:59.42 | chino | you could if you wanted to compile it directly into the kernel |
| 11:59.50 | chino | and you would not need to load it at all |
| 12:00.07 | chino | or you can put it into /etc/modules so its loaded at boot |
| 12:00.15 | chino | no driver no sound.. |
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| 12:01.06 | modeman | bob2: what should the syntax be in the /etc/modules file? |
| 12:01.16 | bob2 | the name of the module |
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| 12:01.40 | bob2 | miles davis is pretty good |
| 12:01.53 | modeman | snd-es18xx ? |
| 12:02.08 | trask | anyone ready to help me setup the network on my debian?.. been at it for days with no luck |
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| 12:02.13 | cahoot | bob2: ever listened to Garbarek? |
| 12:02.25 | Kog | cahoot, any other ideas? heh |
| 12:02.28 | bob2 | cahoot: no. jazz? |
| 12:02.30 | ericb_ | morning #debian ! |
| 12:02.43 | cahoot | Kog: sorry I'm stumped |
| 12:02.44 | Kog | ericb_, mornin |
| 12:02.55 | Kog | cahoot, makes two of us ;) although, I was stumped like 4 hours ago |
| 12:02.57 | trask | i can ping internal IP's but the dns functions doesnt work |
| 12:03.08 | cahoot | bob2: yes - sax |
| 12:03.12 | bob2 | ah |
| 12:03.16 | bob2 | have to look it up |
| 12:03.22 | CyzarX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:03.34 | bob2 | there's no general way |
| 12:03.36 | modeman | bob2: should i run alsaconf after editing the modules file - or does this require a restart? |
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| 12:03.46 | bob2 | no |
| 12:03.50 | bob2 | you don't need to run alsaconf |
| 12:03.54 | modeman | k |
| 12:04.12 | Kog | so... anyone have any idea why my sound doesn't work? |
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| 12:04.20 | modeman | restart x? |
| 12:04.25 | bob2 | no |
| 12:04.43 | schizoschaf | paulswm: all files all directories |
| 12:04.46 | bob2 | now load the modules with modprobe |
| 12:04.55 | schizoschaf | changed it back |
| 12:04.57 | cahoot | bob2: has played with Keith Jarret if you're into his kind of music |
| 12:05.04 | paulswm | CyzarX: man mount will tell you which filesystems mount supports |
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| 12:06.23 | modeman | bob2: what should i specify to load? the name of the module or \* ? |
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| 12:07.25 | bob2 | ? |
| 12:07.26 | trask | where do i set up my dns? i can only contact ip's not url's |
| 12:07.27 | bob2 | the module |
| 12:07.32 | bob2 | gah |
| 12:07.39 | bob2 | someone beat me until I go to sleep |
| 12:07.45 | Kog | trask, try doing an nslookup and see what error it returns |
| 12:08.18 | modeman | heh k |
| 12:08.31 | paulswm | trask: /etc/network/interfaces and man interfaces |
| 12:09.00 | flixil | trask, /etc/resolv.cof |
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| 12:09.05 | flixil | trask, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:09.25 | flixil | look this file, it have your dns' or not |
| 12:09.32 | cahoot | Kog: one last idea - lsmod|grep -i via doesn't show any modules without a snd- prefix? |
| 12:09.34 | trask | those i have already toyed with.. doesnt seem to do the job :( |
| 12:10.09 | Kog | agp, ircc and rhine |
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| 12:10.21 | Kog | it's a VIA chipset and an on-board soundcard |
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| 12:10.57 | modeman | bob2: getting errors in modprobe. should the entry in /etc/mdules be snd-cardname or just cardname |
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| 12:11.02 | cahoot | Kog: ok - was looking for 'old' oss modules - don't seem to be there |
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| 12:11.40 | bob2 | modeman: the name of the module |
| 12:11.43 | bob2 | this is not ambiguous |
| 12:12.08 | modeman | i fear that i am reading too far into what you are saying, as plain as it may be |
| 12:12.35 | modeman | regardless i tried both. |
| 12:12.38 | vpalle | im trying to setup X to use two graphic cards, anyone here has any experience with that? one of the cards is an nvidia agp, the other a matrox pci |
| 12:12.51 | joerg | hi all; where can i set CFlags / -march-option to compile debian packages against i686? Does anybody how the different archs are compiled on the main-mirror? |
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| 12:13.13 | joerg | sorry i forget a "know" |
| 12:13.32 | Kog | cahoot, yeah... this is not so happy |
| 12:13.55 | bizkit | in bash i use i=01; i++ and then i == 2, NOT 02! any way to let i be "nn"? |
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| 12:14.33 | modeman | gunna restart, brb |
| 12:15.25 | paulswm | bizkit: printf, also man bash, read about parameter subsitution |
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| 12:15.43 | cahoot | Kog: I guess you've already googled for your mb+chipset+alsa and not found any reports on what sound module alsa uses for that setup |
| 12:16.23 | bizkit | paulswm: thanks |
| 12:16.24 | Kog | no, because I forgot what motherboard I have |
| 12:16.30 | paulswm | bizkit: yw |
| 12:16.49 | Rawplayer | !yw |
| 12:16.49 | dpkg | i guess yw is you're welcome |
| 12:16.51 | Kog | cahoot, but alsa-project.org says it works ok for the card |
| 12:17.22 | cahoot | Kog: yes sounds pretty common |
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| 12:17.59 | cahoot | Kog: /proc/pci shows your card? |
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| 12:18.15 | cahoot | Kog: disregard |
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| 12:19.43 | markybob | i'm trying to make a scrip that passes every file in the directory through base64 decoding then searches for a specific word. i'm wondering why this doesnt work for x in *; do cat "$x" |perl -MMIME::Base64 -ne 'print decode_base64(print decode_base64($_))' |grep -q foo; done |
| 12:21.02 | xk | markybob: decoding it twice? |
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| 12:22.40 | sciboy | Hi, i am interested in composing midi based music under linux, what applications would you recommend for this? |
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| 12:23.07 | xk | markybob: does it contain a start/stop header? if so, you need to strip those. |
| 12:23.25 | cahoot | sciboy: tried #lad? |
| 12:23.52 | markybob | xk, it doesnt |
| 12:24.00 | sciboy | cahoot, nope. |
| 12:24.08 | xk | markybob: why are you decoding it twice? |
| 12:24.09 | zamolxes | brahms muse sted2 timidity |
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| 12:24.14 | zamolxes | sciboy: brahms muse sted2 timidity |
| 12:24.25 | markybob | xk, i'm not. why do you think i am? i dont mean to be |
| 12:24.41 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:24.45 | xk | ^^ is that decoding it twice? |
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| 12:25.28 | zamolxes | sciboy: nothing apt-cache search couldn't solve |
| 12:25.41 | sciboy | =/ |
| 12:25.43 | markybob | xk no. |
| 12:25.53 | xk | markybob: so why do you have the same function within another? |
| 12:26.04 | xk | it's trying to decode it _twice_! |
| 12:26.26 | xk | actually, hrm... |
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| 12:26.41 | markybob | xk, that's just how decoding is done. you do it another way? |
| 12:26.42 | xk | that's fucked to tell you the truth :) |
| 12:26.57 | xk | markybob: I do it like this: print decode_base64($str); |
| 12:27.01 | markybob | xk, it's not fucked. that's how MIME::Base64 says to do it in the docs |
| 12:27.08 | xk | where $str is the encoded string. |
| 12:27.12 | Kog | cahoot, why is alsamixer using Brooktree Bt878? |
| 12:27.16 | xk | markybob: your code doesn't make sense. |
| 12:27.19 | Kog | cahoot, that's a video driver |
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| 12:27.26 | bob2 | Kog: no it's not |
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| 12:27.29 | bob2 | it's an audio device, too |
| 12:27.35 | cahoot | Kog: because that's the one and only sound device alsa can find |
| 12:27.36 | Kog | bob2, oh, but it's not my soundcard though |
| 12:27.39 | Kog | cahoot, ok |
| 12:27.43 | bob2 | indeed |
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| 12:27.53 | xk | why are you running decode_base64 on the return value of print? |
| 12:28.01 | bob2 | if you want to use that and a normal card, you need to play games with alsa |
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| 12:28.18 | xk | print doesn't even return a value. |
| 12:29.01 | bob2 | markybob: that's not how the manpage says to use it |
| 12:29.02 | Kog | my /etc/modutils/alsa-base has alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 |
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| 12:29.05 | cahoot | Kog: maybe that's the root of your pain |
| 12:29.12 | claudio | HI all |
| 12:29.18 | bob2 | that would be why your sound isn't working |
| 12:29.20 | Kog | shouldn't that be aliased to my snd-via82xx/ |
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| 12:29.39 | claudio | someone have experience in wlan adn laptops |
| 12:29.41 | claudio | ? |
| 12:29.50 | Kog | lias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx is what it now says ;) |
| 12:29.55 | xk | claudio: a little bit, yes. |
| 12:30.00 | xk | claudio: what's your question? |
| 12:30.36 | claudio | i'trying to install a dwl 610 on my inspiron 5150 |
| 12:30.48 | xk | is it b or g? |
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| 12:31.12 | Kog | bob2, so now that I changed that and ran update-modules you think that should fix it? |
| 12:31.25 | claudio | xk wht is mean? |
| 12:31.27 | xk | hrm... looks like b... should work out of the box on a stock debian system. |
| 12:31.47 | reNegad3 | im sure that ive got the fglrx drivers installed on my machine but when I try running glxgears it has an error :( it says error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1 thats just a snippet of the error. any suggestions? |
| 12:31.59 | paulswm | claudio: What's your specific problem? |
| 12:32.07 | claudio | i've downloaded and installed the ndiswrapper |
| 12:32.25 | xk | since it's 802.11b, it should have a supported chipset. |
| 12:32.32 | claudio | but I dont't find the pciid of my card.. |
| 12:32.35 | xk | it's the g/54mbps chipsets you have to worry about. |
| 12:32.46 | paulswm | Yes, like mine :) |
| 12:33.09 | claudio | and your card work? |
| 12:33.18 | paulswm | Yes |
| 12:33.23 | claudio | shit.. |
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| 12:33.38 | claudio | i' ve a debian 3 release |
| 12:33.53 | claudio | and the 2.6.10 kernel |
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| 12:33.59 | claudio | you? |
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| 12:34.04 | paulswm | claudio: I was replying tp xk about g/54mbps chipsets |
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| 12:34.23 | claudio | ahhh |
| 12:34.27 | claudio | ok. |
| 12:34.36 | xk | claudio: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 12:34.42 | claudio | any ideas to solve my problem? |
| 12:34.50 | xk | I wouldn't bother with the ndiswrapper for your 11mbps/802.11b card. |
| 12:34.53 | markybob | xk http://www.markybob.com/script.txt now i've gotten everything to work correctly, until it gets to the if/then statements. if/then is only carried out with the last file scanned. is there any way around this or am i climbing up a hopeless ladder? |
| 12:34.59 | claudio | no, i've downloaded the bin.. |
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| 12:35.28 | claudio | but my k supports pcmcia |
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| 12:37.48 | xk | markybob: put the if block into the for block :) |
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| 12:37.48 | xk | markybob: also expand the if block onto multiple lines. |
| 12:37.48 | kruzi | hmm got my free web forums site up:) |
| 12:37.48 | kruzi | anyone needs a forum let me know |
| 12:37.49 | kruzi | :) |
| 12:37.49 | bactis | <claudio> i'trying to install a dwl 610 on my inspiron 5150 <- get the acx100 drivers |
| 12:37.49 | bactis | easy to install |
| 12:37.49 | bactis | and they work |
| 12:37.49 | claudio | where i can find this? |
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| 12:37.49 | xk | google for starters |
| 12:37.49 | xk | markybob: s/if/for/ rather. |
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| 12:38.13 | bactis | but check if your dwl device is supportet by driver :) |
| 12:38.28 | bactis | if not try ndiswrapper |
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| 12:38.53 | bactis | my dwl card works fine with acx100 |
| 12:38.56 | Kog | ok... time for a reboot |
| 12:39.00 | Kog | hopefully that just worked |
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| 12:39.04 | xk | dwl 610 is realtek chipset? |
| 12:39.06 | claudio | thank you |
| 12:39.18 | xk | http://www.canit.se/~oli/wl/ |
| 12:39.19 | claudio | yes xk |
| 12:39.31 | xk | # Load module RealTek RTL8180L (D-Link DWL-610) |
| 12:39.33 | xk | yeah, it's realtek |
| 12:39.37 | xk | realtek is the worse chipset on earth. |
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| 12:39.49 | claudio | oh. good ... |
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| 12:40.18 | claudio | i've spend a day whitout a result |
| 12:40.24 | bactis | hehe i dont think so.. the acx100 driver doesnt support wep for my card, so they are useless for me |
| 12:40.41 | Goraxx | I have installed sarge-i386-netinst.iso and i want to install eagle-usb, but i must have the package linux-kernel-headers : where can i download it ? |
| 12:41.00 | pzn | Hi! I bought yesterday an (not very) old computer with Nvidia GeForce2 MX100. I can install/run X sucessfully, but opengl apps are very slow. can you give me a startpoint? |
| 12:41.08 | bactis | claudio: same for me... you need the kernel-headers maybe.. to compile you own module |
| 12:41.24 | markybob | xk thanks for your help so far. unfortunately i'm not managing to understand how to properly put the if inside the for. think you could help me? |
| 12:41.45 | xk | markybob: expand the for block so it spans multiple lines. |
| 12:41.46 | sepski | Goraxx, apt-setup; select your correct mirrors, apt-get update; then apt-cache search kernel-headers ; apt-get install package you want |
| 12:41.52 | xk | markybob: one command/function/whatever per line. |
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| 12:41.57 | reNegad3 | pzn, have you installed the 3d-accel driver for the card?? |
| 12:42.27 | xk | markybob: after the "perl | ..." stuff, put the if block. |
| 12:43.45 | Goraxx | sepski: i have no internet connexion, eagle-usb is a driver for my adsl connexion ! |
| 12:43.45 | xk | usb adsl modem? |
| 12:43.45 | Goraxx | yes |
| 12:43.46 | xk | next time get a ethernet based dsl modem. |
| 12:43.46 | pzn | reNegad3, no. I never had a card with accel, just standard cards... how to install 3d-accel? is it a package? |
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| 12:43.46 | paulswm | !prize xk |
| 12:43.46 | sepski | Goraxx, well if you'd apt-setup, then you'd find the closest urls to a repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list, then you could dl from there |
| 12:43.46 | xk | ;) |
| 12:43.55 | paulswm | SOme times the older technology is best |
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| 12:44.06 | sh | !beer |
| 12:44.06 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
| 12:44.08 | reNegad3 | maybe the driers are in the debian repos not sure |
| 12:44.10 | Goraxx | sepski: ok, thx ! |
| 12:44.12 | modeman | bob2: you still there? |
| 12:44.13 | Goraxx | ciao ++ |
| 12:44.14 | sh | hehe |
| 12:44.24 | bob2 | no |
| 12:44.26 | reNegad3 | nah doesnt look like it |
| 12:44.27 | modeman | heh |
| 12:44.40 | modeman | thanks for the help, sound is back |
| 12:44.55 | paulswm | Single malt scotch is actually liquid gold, IMO |
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| 12:45.00 | modeman | but the problems continue... |
| 12:45.02 | reNegad3 | pzn, try searching for your card on google.com/linux |
| 12:45.27 | modeman | anyone know where to start when data cd can mount but no audio cd's can be identified? |
| 12:45.35 | cahoot | paulswm: depends on if you sell or drink it |
| 12:45.39 | bactis | is there a way to tell netinstall, to download the latest 2.6.8-2-386 kernel image and install it instead of the old 2.6.8-1-386 which is on the netinstall cd? |
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| 12:46.18 | markybob | xk mind refreshing, please? currently getting syntax error near unexpected token `done' |
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| 12:46.26 | Kog | bah... still doesn't work |
| 12:46.31 | modeman | and the eject command is just not there |
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| 12:46.51 | xk | markybob: ... |
| 12:47.24 | pzn | reNegad3, I found a driver in nvidia.com for linux that must be compiled as a kernel module. do you think that it the right way to start? |
| 12:47.32 | markybob | xk, yeah. pretty lost on how to do this properly |
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| 12:47.36 | cahoot | modeman: tried simply play the audio cd? |
| 12:47.41 | reNegad3 | pzn, yes |
| 12:47.50 | xk | markybob: ok hang |
| 12:47.52 | reNegad3 | now your adventures will begin ;) |
| 12:47.58 | modeman | cahoot: i tried, but kscd doesnt even see it |
| 12:48.11 | modeman | and alsaplayer wont open to try it! |
| 12:48.20 | xk | actually... weird... I didn't read your code properly. |
| 12:48.37 | xk | markybob: so what is the original problem again? |
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| 12:48.54 | modeman | cahoot: but i can mount a data cd... i don't get it |
| 12:48.56 | xk | ahhhhh. no wonder. |
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| 12:49.07 | markybob | xk, the original problem is fixed. the current problem is that the if/then statement is only carried out with the last file scanned |
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| 12:49.14 | xk | markybob: can you dcc get? |
| 12:49.18 | markybob | xk yes |
| 12:49.34 | modeman | what other players can i use that will see the cdrom? |
| 12:49.43 | modeman | i just wanna play music ahhhhhhh |
| 12:49.51 | Kog | modeman, amen, amen |
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| 12:50.04 | xk | tell me if that works |
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| 12:50.36 | Kog | jesus... I use aptitude to install something and all of a sudden it's removing everything |
| 12:50.44 | Kog | what's going on here.. |
| 12:50.48 | claudio | xk... |
| 12:50.59 | claudio | can you help me? |
| 12:51.06 | markybob | xk wonderful! thanks for the help :) |
| 12:51.20 | claudio | how i can detect my pcmcia card? |
| 12:51.22 | xk | claudio: no. because I don't like crappy hardware like realtek. |
| 12:51.38 | xk | claudio: google for your card, there's documentation. |
| 12:51.47 | xk | markybob: it works? |
| 12:51.51 | markybob | xk yep :) |
| 12:51.59 | claudio | not good docs... but thank you |
| 12:52.09 | Kog | why is aptitude removing all of the packages from my system...? |
| 12:52.13 | xk | claudio: they are good in my opinion from a brief look I had. |
| 12:52.18 | modeman | what are some commands that should work for audio cd? |
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| 12:52.35 | claudio | ok ok |
| 12:52.45 | xk | markybob: next time, make sure you properly tab out your code. |
| 12:52.53 | xk | markybob: otherwise you won't find hidden problems. |
| 12:52.58 | markybob | xk will do. thanks for the advice |
| 12:53.07 | markybob | clarence, which card? |
| 12:54.02 | sepski | modeman, apt-cache search cd player gives you a few packages to choose from |
| 12:54.33 | bactis | claudio: if you need to compile the drivers you definitly need kernel-headers.. the problem is for standart netinstall kernel-image-1.6.8-1-386 there are no headers available.. so maybe you need to install kernel-image-1.6.8-2-386, for this version there are kernel headers available |
| 12:55.04 | Kog | wow... aptitude just removed all of the packages from my system |
| 12:55.06 | Kog | how comforting |
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| 12:55.38 | sepski | modeman, and you have to install the eject program for it to 'be there' apt-get install eject |
| 12:56.11 | markybob | claudio, have you looked at rt2400.sourceforge.net? |
| 12:56.22 | modeman | sepski: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 12:56.33 | einsteinmg | are there any know bugs in maradns? maradns stops responding within a few hours |
| 12:56.47 | sepski | kog: you eiter told it to do so, or you installed something that confliced with a whole lot |
| 12:56.53 | markybob | claudio, sorry, my mistake. thought i read ralink instead of realtek |
| 12:57.04 | xk | hah |
| 12:57.16 | xk | definition of realtek is shit. |
| 12:57.21 | modeman | sepski: holy crap there's like 100 |
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| 12:57.32 | xk | !realtek |
| 12:57.33 | dpkg | realtek is, like, a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller Works fine for me. |
| 12:57.39 | sepski | modeman, yes, with debian you have a _lot_ of choise |
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| 12:57.50 | modeman | ok, a winamp type player? |
| 12:57.57 | sepski | modeman, xmms |
| 12:58.04 | si|vercat | !tv |
| 12:58.04 | dpkg | i guess tv is KILL YOUR TELEVISION! (by watching it until it burns out) |
| 12:58.20 | modeman | k, installing now... and thanks! |
| 12:58.31 | sepski | modeman, altho i tend to use mplayer myself, ask the bot about mplayer if you want to know since mplayer is not in debian |
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| 12:58.37 | modeman | wait, already have it lol |
| 12:58.44 | modeman | k |
| 12:58.51 | modeman | !mplayer |
| 12:58.51 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 12:59.05 | si|vercat | what was the keyword for tv-cards in debian? |
| 12:59.06 | modeman | thank you server |
| 12:59.11 | si|vercat | !bttv |
| 12:59.11 | dpkg | i heard bttv is a driver for the bt848/bt878 tv tuner chip which is on most tv tuner card and you can find it at http://www.strusel007.de/linux/bttv/, or moved to http://www.metzlerbros.de/bttv.html |
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| 13:00.17 | xk | dpkg: mplayer =~ s/marillat/marillat' or 'cerkinfo'/ |
| 13:00.17 | dpkg | xk: OK |
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| 13:00.58 | xk | I've got an analog and digital tv card in my system, heh. |
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| 13:05.51 | pzn | reNegad3, the module compiled worked ok. video has opengl now! thanks! |
| 13:05.55 | bactis | claudio: http://mitglied.lycos.de/drzel/ |
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| 13:07.47 | xk | mass join |
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| 13:09.26 | bactis | is it possible to run to internet connections at the same time with debian? |
| 13:09.32 | bactis | *two |
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| 13:10.22 | VampireHunterD | buenas tardes |
| 13:10.41 | shaw | anybody knows how to order newsgroup? pls help me |
| 13:10.46 | MarcinKa | Hello I can't login into Xsession in .xsession-errors I get "PRNG is not seeded" what I can do ?? |
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| 13:12.37 | si|vercat | ok how do I make this tv-card work? :P |
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| 13:12.48 | xk | si|vercat: what is it? digital or analog? |
| 13:13.54 | sepski | bactis, something like http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html ?? and it's not distro dependant, |
| 13:14.04 | sepski | and a lot easier with bgp |
| 13:14.17 | VampireHunterD | hello |
| 13:15.16 | sepski | VampireHunterD, there are 758 peoples in this channel we wont greet you, just ask your question |
| 13:15.21 | sepski | :) |
| 13:15.32 | CyzarX | peterS, u there? |
| 13:15.36 | VampireHunterD | hi sepski |
| 13:15.56 | VampireHunterD | today, i get a linux |
| 13:15.57 | si|vercat | xk, WinTV PVR 250, whatever that is.. |
| 13:16.04 | bactis | sepski: thank you thats definitly what i'm searching for |
| 13:16.09 | si|vercat | probably analog |
| 13:16.17 | VampireHunterD | i dont know use linux |
| 13:16.22 | VampireHunterD | i am spanish |
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| 13:16.37 | si|vercat | !spanish |
| 13:16.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:16.53 | VampireHunterD | i am boring of the windows |
| 13:17.21 | lucox | hi, anybody with gmailfs experiences ? |
| 13:17.25 | VampireHunterD | thanks dpkg |
| 13:17.33 | modeman | heh |
| 13:17.42 | xk | si|vercat: ahh... digital. |
| 13:17.43 | VampireHunterD | goodbye people |
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| 13:18.04 | MarcinKa | I can't login into Xsession in .xsession-errors I get "PRNG is not seeded" what I can do ?? |
| 13:18.06 | xk | si|vercat: you need the itvt drivers for that. |
| 13:18.06 | modeman | he only sings in the english |
| 13:18.12 | bazan | Hi, do tou know a web site "recommanded" by the comunity to create a blog |
| 13:18.19 | LuCkYaN | hi |
| 13:18.27 | LuCkYaN | what's command to create an username on mysql ? |
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| 13:18.30 | xk | si|vercat: er, sorry, ivtv. |
| 13:18.48 | si|vercat | !ivtv |
| 13:18.58 | modeman | !mysql |
| 13:18.59 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
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| 13:19.08 | xk | !google for ivtv |
| 13:19.12 | si|vercat | xk, thanks for the heads up :) |
| 13:19.16 | dpkg | Google says ivtv is at http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/ or http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/FAQ.html or http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/tiki/tiki-index.php or http://ivtv.sourceforge.net/about.html or http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php |
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| 13:19.22 | si|vercat | I've been tryying bttv and stuff |
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| 13:19.41 | ponga_superstart | hello guys |
| 13:20.01 | IRC_noobee | Hi, how do I keep apt-get from trying to install recommended and suggested packages? There seems to be nothing in the man page or apt.conf. I use version 0.5.4. Apparently there used to be a --without-recommends switch which is not there in my version. Can anybody help? |
| 13:20.08 | xk | si|vercat: hehehe. fortunately the driver for my card is in 2.6.9 :) |
| 13:20.23 | oKtosiTe | I just installed gnome-volume-manager, and get this error when inserting random optic media: "/usr/bin/pmount-hal: line 74: /usr/bin/pmount: Access Denied" |
| 13:20.24 | _rene_ | IRC_noobee: apt-get does *not* installthem |
| 13:20.32 | _rene_ | IRC_noobee: apt-get shows them only |
| 13:20.43 | _rene_ | IRC_noobee: aptitude does |
| 13:20.45 | MarcinKa | I have problem with login into Xsession in .xsession-error file I got "PRNG is not seeded" any ideas? |
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| 13:20.51 | bazan | LuCkYaN: create user |
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| 13:21.02 | bazan | LuCkYaN: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/create-user.html |
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| 13:21.18 | IRC_noobee | _rene_: Thank you for the reply. That does not appear to be the case. I will come back with what I mean. |
| 13:21.24 | Oryn | Hi, does anyone know where I can find SIMPLE instructions on how to setup snmpd and mrtg ? |
| 13:21.32 | si|vercat | xk, can I make a .deb of the .tar.gz? :) |
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| 13:22.02 | oguz | hi |
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| 13:22.13 | xk | Oryn: edit /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf and change the access MyROSystem line.... change system to all. (under read) |
| 13:22.14 | oguz | i have a document in openoffice |
| 13:22.17 | _rene_ | IRC_noobee: apt-get does not install recommends/suggests. there is nothing to look there |
| 13:22.18 | oguz | when i export it |
| 13:22.29 | _rene_ | IRC_noobee: aptitude odes and aptitude is what has --without-recommends etc |
| 13:22.34 | oguz | the space characters are not as the documents itseld |
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| 13:22.51 | oguz | when i export it to pdf |
| 13:22.56 | xk | si|vercat: if there is a debian dir inside it, yes. |
| 13:23.02 | oguz | is there anyone knows the reason |
| 13:23.15 | xk | si|vercat: a deb for a driver makes no sense. |
| 13:23.23 | bazan | !blog |
| 13:23.23 | dpkg | [blog] a weblog, or a webdiary |
| 13:23.33 | bazan | !planet |
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| 13:24.59 | Oryn | xk: I dont understand that line contains not word or heading "system" |
| 13:25.07 | ponga_superstart | hello guys can someone give me the right direction on how can i implement squid + authentication |
| 13:25.09 | Oryn | no* |
| 13:25.21 | xk | Oryn: grep MyROSystem /etc/snmpd/snmpd.conf |
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| 13:25.45 | ponga_superstart | i read a lot of docs and my config seem to be fine but no pop-windows on firefox to supply my uname and passwd |
| 13:26.25 | si|vercat | says can't find /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/build/include/linux/modversions.h |
| 13:26.49 | xk | got kernel headers package installed? |
| 13:27.01 | Oryn | xk: ok, found it |
| 13:27.06 | si|vercat | hmm.. |
| 13:27.11 | si|vercat | maybe not for this kernel |
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| 13:27.29 | xk | modversions... that's why I compile my own kernel... who needs module versioning |
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| 13:27.41 | modeman | should xmms point to /dev/cdrom or /cdrom? |
| 13:27.55 | claudio | can i unistall the previous kernel version that i've downloaded with apt-get install? |
| 13:28.16 | sh | claudio: yes |
| 13:28.41 | claudio | how?(thank you) |
| 13:28.45 | sh | LuCkYaN: apt-get remove --purge kernel-image/source-x.x.xx |
| 13:28.49 | si|vercat | how do I check if a package is installed? |
| 13:28.50 | sh | hups |
| 13:28.51 | sh | bad nick |
| 13:29.03 | sh | si|vercat: dpkg -l | grep packagename |
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| 13:29.04 | xk | si|vercat: dpkg --list| grep ... |
| 13:29.08 | claudio | i understand |
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| 13:29.20 | sh | claudio: after removing it u must edit ur lilo.conf |
| 13:29.24 | si|vercat | thanks |
| 13:29.28 | sh | and after editing rerunning lilo |
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| 13:30.14 | Ste_2000 | I can't set permissions for Konqueror for some reason |
| 13:30.31 | Ste_2000 | su does not work |
| 13:30.38 | modeman | why would a cd be able to be mounted for data, yet does not recognize audio cd's? |
| 13:30.48 | pearl | Ste_2000: what is happend after typing 'su'? |
| 13:30.58 | Ste_2000 | su Konqueror |
| 13:31.11 | paulswm | claudio: the lilo instructions don't of course apply if you're runnin grub |
| 13:31.12 | pearl | ho? |
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| 13:31.22 | pearl | Ste_2000: su is for changing the active user to root |
| 13:31.55 | nkuttler | modeman: you don't mount audio cds |
| 13:31.55 | pearl | modeman: u dont should mount audio-cd's |
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| 13:32.10 | Ste_2000 | Well i thought that it gave permissions to the program |
| 13:32.17 | si|vercat | I do have the headers-package installed but it still wont compile |
| 13:32.19 | pearl | Ste_2000: no |
| 13:32.19 | modeman | i didnt lol, it just doesnt see them |
| 13:32.28 | modeman | but data cds can be mounted |
| 13:32.40 | si|vercat | lots of .h files, but no modversions.h |
| 13:32.41 | pearl | modeman: yes, data cd is another thing then an audio-cd |
| 13:32.44 | Ste_2000 | So how do i give Konqueror permissions? |
| 13:32.48 | modeman | then umount, eject, put in audio.... nothing |
| 13:33.04 | pearl | Ste_2000: search the right file and chown & chgrp |
| 13:33.19 | modeman | what can i try/ |
| 13:33.21 | modeman | ? |
| 13:33.25 | pearl | chown == change owner; chgrp == change group; |
| 13:33.33 | pearl | modeman: apt-get install cdcd |
| 13:33.36 | pearl | apt-get install aumix |
| 13:33.49 | pearl | run aumix and make the faders to the higgest position |
| 13:33.54 | pearl | u need modules for ur sound-card |
| 13:33.55 | modeman | k |
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| 13:34.07 | pearl | cd in the drive, type cdcd, and in that program type play |
| 13:34.13 | pearl | or play <trackname> |
| 13:34.23 | modeman | sound is configured with alsa, i can play mp3's from my server.... |
| 13:34.28 | modeman | ill try cdcd |
| 13:34.40 | modeman | thanks! |
| 13:34.42 | pearl | install aumix too |
| 13:34.56 | pearl | its good to configure input/output's from ur soundcard |
| 13:34.58 | pearl | the volume |
| 13:35.13 | pearl | la la la |
| 13:35.14 | pearl | :) |
| 13:35.23 | Ste_2000 | BTW where is the sources list i cant remember |
| 13:35.33 | Ste_2000 | for apt-get |
| 13:35.42 | pearl | Ste_2000: /etc/apt... |
| 13:35.46 | Ste_2000 | thanks |
| 13:35.49 | modeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.50 | pearl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:36.12 | xk | /etc/apt |
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| 13:38.21 | modeman | pearl: i used alsamixer, same stuff right? |
| 13:38.29 | pearl | yes |
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| 13:39.05 | modeman | cdcd works!!!! |
| 13:39.16 | modeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.21 | tyia | if I want the machine to be rebooted on hang, should I use the software watchdog or the hangcheck driver? |
| 13:39.38 | modeman | thanks all, much praise to the community. |
| 13:39.50 | modeman | any clue why kscd didn't initiate it? |
| 13:40.01 | modeman | or any other proggy? |
| 13:40.49 | pearl | did cdcd find the cd? |
| 13:41.08 | pearl | cdcd -d <device> |
| 13:41.15 | pearl | bbl |
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| 13:41.42 | modeman | yes, the initial config asked for it and i typed the default |
| 13:41.59 | modeman | cddb is even working! yay! |
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| 13:46.10 | modeman | coffee is ready, the kid is fussin, and it's time for some hoppy-boppy and some san andreas! |
| 13:46.23 | modeman | bbiab... |
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| 13:53.28 | minamata | hi |
| 13:53.40 | minamata | any xfce4 users here ? |
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| 13:54.30 | nomed^ | hi |
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| 13:54.42 | sussudio | !irritate minamata |
| 13:54.42 | dpkg | minamata: wenas who uses gnome plz msg me, joris_ |
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| 13:56.28 | nomed^ | how does dircolors work? |
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| 13:56.54 | nomed^ | i' ve used eval `dircolors -b /etc/dircolors` but nothing change |
| 13:57.00 | johaBBa | anyone have a dell dimension 2400/2400n? |
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| 13:58.17 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 13:59.02 | catfather | hello! Any user mode linux users around? I used rootstrap to create a debian image - all worked fine, but when I start sshd inside the UML the whole (UML) system hangs .( can anyone clue me? |
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| 14:01.10 | paulswm | nomed^: does a file '/etc/dircolors' exist? |
| 14:01.28 | nomed^ | paulswm: yes :) |
| 14:01.33 | paulswm | :) |
| 14:01.57 | abrotman | johaBBa: ask a better question |
| 14:02.03 | nomed^ | i've tryed also ~/.dircolors ... |
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| 14:02.39 | johaBBa | abrotman, ok...does the dell dimension 2400/2400n have an AGP slot? |
| 14:02.44 | nomed^ | but each time with dircolors --print-database i see others parameters ... probably from one other file .. |
| 14:02.48 | johaBBa | can't tell from dell's site. |
| 14:03.08 | abrotman | johaBBa: open the side and look ? |
| 14:03.12 | johaBBa | ........ |
| 14:03.14 | johaBBa | i don't have one |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 14:03.23 | johaBBa | thus my original question |
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| 14:03.36 | abrotman | johaBBa: which model exactly ? |
| 14:03.44 | johaBBa | <johaBBa> anyone have a dell dimension 2400/2400n? |
| 14:03.45 | paulswm | nomed^: alias 'ls' to use them: alias ls='ls --color=auto ' |
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| 14:04.22 | nomed^ | paulswm: i see colors but i can't customize ... |
| 14:04.25 | abrotman | johaBBa: that's two models |
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| 14:04.41 | johaBBa | that's the same model. the 'n' comes without an OS |
| 14:04.53 | nomed^ | the configuration cames from a file that it's not the one i would |
| 14:04.57 | ZyX | how do i find out to which package a certain executable belongs? (xmessage) |
| 14:05.01 | johaBBa | now can you offer and _helpful_ advice? |
| 14:05.06 | johaBBa | s/and/any |
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| 14:05.35 | abrotman | johaBBa: from what i can see .. there is no agp slot |
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| 14:05.54 | paulswm | nomed^: customize with your own .dircolors. You'll have to log out of the shell and back in again, or redo the eval. info coreutils dircolors for the documentation |
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| 14:06.11 | johaBBa | why do i even bother asking for anything is this chan... |
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| 14:06.34 | abrotman | well .. it wasn't a fucking debian question .. call fucking dell . it's a free call |
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| 14:07.15 | paulswm | !comfort abrotman |
| 14:07.16 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:07.47 | abrotman | paulswm: i don't really care .. i was actually looking .. but he just decided to not wait .. oh well |
| 14:07.48 | TinoW | ctrl-alt-Dell |
| 14:07.57 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 14:08.11 | hanubis | ... |
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| 14:08.28 | hanubis | tem algum brasileiro aki?????? |
| 14:08.38 | paulswm | !br |
| 14:08.38 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:09.51 | hanubis | #debian-br |
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| 14:11.58 | abrotman | paulswm: how the fuck could it be worse than yesterday? |
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| 14:12.20 | paulswm | abrotman: I agree, yesterday was a madhouse |
| 14:12.25 | catfather | anyone using debian in user mode linux? do you have sshd working (without hanging the UML machine)? |
| 14:12.33 | abrotman | !uml |
| 14:12.33 | dpkg | hmm... uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | isn't there a uml channel ? |
| 14:13.11 | catfather | hmm.. let's see.. |
| 14:13.19 | reNegad3 | can anyone help me with this error....error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1... pretty much when I try open a opengl app it comes up with that error |
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| 14:13.32 | paulswm | catfather: It's unlikely that anyone here is using it, so don't hold your breath :) |
| 14:13.39 | abrotman | reNegad3: did you install it? |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | !find libGL.so.1 sarge |
| 14:14.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so.1' (3 shown; 4 total): (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.4.500) in libs/mesag3,libs/mesag3-glide2,libs/mesag3+ggi ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2, /usr/X11R6/lib/{libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.2}) in libs/xlibmesa-gl ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1) in libs/mesag3,libs/xlibmesa-gl,libs/mesag3-glide2,libs/mesag3+ggi. |
| 14:14.31 | abrotman | reNegad3: xlibmesa-gl ... install it |
| 14:14.36 | abrotman | !tell reNegad3 about search |
| 14:14.37 | reNegad3 | ok thanx |
| 14:14.58 | asg | paulswm: we use it for developer sandboxes (I have 8 uml instances running on a Dell Precision 650 in the office) |
| 14:15.00 | reNegad3 | thing was, it was worked before but once I installed the fglrx drivers thats when it started happening |
| 14:15.06 | _rene_ | reNegad3: next time you use packages.debian.ogr, aptfile or something like that |
| 14:15.14 | abrotman | well .. i have no idea about ati drivers |
| 14:15.25 | _rene_ | reNegad3: then your fglrx install is borked |
| 14:15.40 | reNegad3 | borked?? |
| 14:15.47 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 14:15.47 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 14:15.50 | Kog | well... hopefully this will fix my sand problem heh |
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| 14:16.06 | abrotman | sand! |
| 14:16.18 | paulswm | asg: heh, interesting, but I haven't seen many UML questions asked/answered here so I was just trying to set his expectations so he wouldn't get too frustrated :) |
| 14:16.42 | Kog | abrotman by sand I mean sound ;) |
| 14:16.54 | Kog | abrotman it's been a long long day |
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| 14:17.03 | asg | paulswm: his issue is probably a misconfigured network (either on the host (not having tun/tap) or the uml instance) |
| 14:17.06 | abrotman | Running Man! |
| 14:17.12 | Kog | paulswm what was the UML question? |
| 14:17.32 | paulswm | Kog: <catfather> anyone using debian in user mode linux? do you have sshd working (without hanging the UML machine)? |
| 14:17.52 | Kog | oh... I thought you were talking about the modelling language for some reason |
| 14:17.58 | reNegad3 | hrmm, the driver is working accoring to dmesg, only thing that looks broken is that libGL.so.1 :( I did follow flavios install |
| 14:18.12 | paulswm | Kog: Ha, I've made the same mistake before |
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| 14:18.33 | Kog | well I mean... what's the more common acronym user mode linux or unified modelling language |
| 14:18.42 | Kog | (or was it universal) |
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| 14:19.00 | misfitx7 | how do i setup and format a hard drive from the command line? |
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| 14:19.09 | paulswm | Kog: That question could start a minor war in some quarters, I'm sure |
| 14:19.11 | asg | misfitx7: man fdisk, man mkfs |
| 14:19.12 | Kog | fdisk |
| 14:19.19 | _rene_ | UML as unified modelling language was there first and is probably more common |
| 14:19.34 | misfitx7 | ok thank you |
| 14:19.35 | Kog | paulswm: in the real world people talk about UML as a language |
| 14:19.37 | _rene_ | expecially since people outside of the linux wold don't know there's a UML meaning user mode linux |
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| 14:19.54 | Kog | _rene_: I've never even used UML I don't think |
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| 14:19.59 | _rene_ | so I wouldn't say uml when I mean user mode linux in the outside world |
| 14:20.05 | Kog | _rene_: unless it's akin to single user mode |
| 14:20.07 | paulswm | Kog: Yes, I'm aware, the first time I saw UML that's what I thought it meant |
| 14:20.09 | Kog | which it's probably not |
| 14:20.11 | asg | _rene_: but since this is a Debian GNU/Linux channel and not tied to programming, user mode linux is likely more frequently used. |
| 14:20.26 | Kog | asg: not true at all - you can totally diagram the kernel in UML |
| 14:20.30 | _rene_ | yes |
| 14:20.34 | Kog | asg you're just thinking small dude |
| 14:20.35 | Kog | ;) |
| 14:20.42 | _rene_ | but "common" is not restricted to this channel :) |
| 14:20.43 | asg | Kog: yes, I know you can |
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| 14:20.59 | _rene_ | in this channel, sure, UML == user mode linux mostly |
| 14:21.17 | Kog | is UML different than single user mode? |
| 14:21.23 | Kog | paulswm: I'm sorreh. |
| 14:21.29 | paulswm | :D |
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| 14:21.40 | _rene_ | Kog: no. uml is the linux kernel running as a user process |
| 14:21.44 | Kog | paulswm: I have a remarkable talent for starting fights |
| 14:21.55 | paulswm | !prize Kog |
| 14:21.55 | Kog | _rene_ doesn't single user mode do that too? |
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| 14:21.58 | _rene_ | Kog: that's why it is called "user mode" |
| 14:22.05 | chugga | UML the picture thing is an abomination upon God |
| 14:22.08 | asg | paulswm: easy to end it though, just mention Hitler |
| 14:22.10 | _rene_ | Kog: no. linux is a kernel, so it runs as a kernel |
| 14:22.10 | Tr0||_DX | is there people in here from yesterday when i argued |
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| 14:22.26 | paulswm | asg: Ah, Basil |
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| 14:22.42 | Tr0||_DX | i apologise debian is not that bad |
| 14:22.45 | asg | paulswm: ...no, not much fun in Stalingrad |
| 14:22.54 | paulswm | Heh |
| 14:22.56 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: hi |
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| 14:23.03 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: how are you? |
| 14:23.23 | Tr0||_DX | ... no your all lamer |
| 14:23.23 | Tr0||_DX | nvm |
| 14:23.23 | paulswm | asg: "If he opens his big mouth again, it's lampshade time" |
| 14:23.23 | Kog | asg: not much fun in most of Russia |
| 14:23.32 | asg | Tr0||_DX: can you stop being a sad wanker |
| 14:23.45 | asg | Kog: yeah, I heard |
| 14:23.47 | asg | paulswm: hah |
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| 14:23.58 | Tr0||_DX | ... lame |
| 14:24.07 | Kog | asg: I might be in siberia over the summer though, by the Altai |
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| 14:24.31 | asg | Kog: ah |
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| 14:24.44 | Kog | asg: my professor is military intelligence... linguist. goes to the altai every summer |
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| 14:24.45 | robert | Hey... after a dist-upgrade a couple of months ago, xterm started beeping every time a tab completion failed, I try to move the cursor too far, etc. Any idea where I can configure away this annoying behaviour? |
| 14:24.54 | Kog | asg: since I'm graduating... I think I'll go with him heh |
| 14:24.59 | chugga | robert, xset b off |
| 14:25.07 | asg | Kog: sounds interesting |
| 14:25.11 | asg | !qotd112 |
| 14:25.12 | dpkg | < greycat> Venusbeauty: frigidaire < FieldySnuts> greycat: who's here < greycat> FieldySnuts: ssh, we're turing testing. < Venusbeauty> a very good links < Venusbeauty> to see me -!- mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ < Venusbeauty> ey ey < Venusbeauty> you love < Venusbeauty> ?? -!- Venusbeauty was kicked from #debian by greycat [turing test result: failed.] |
| 14:25.12 | robert | Thanks. |
| 14:25.13 | Kog | asg: yeah |
| 14:25.15 | Fox_1_ | anyone know the size of kdevelop 3.1 |
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| 14:25.22 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: fine thanks. |
| 14:25.45 | asg | Fox_1_: apt-cache show kdevelop | grep ^Size: |
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| 14:25.58 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: yourself? tried http://livecd.gnustep.org/ ? nice for development, the gnustep libs including the development environment is not more than 10mb in sourceform |
| 14:26.39 | Fox_1_ | it have gui development too? |
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| 14:26.54 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: yes, of course |
| 14:27.22 | Kog | ewww... GUI writing |
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| 14:27.36 | CyzarX | when access to a specific application like synaptic, there is a dialogbox popup asking for root password before you can use synaptic. my question now is how to call this root asking password dialog box. anyone know? im using Xdialog to implement my bash script. |
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| 14:27.46 | Fox_1_ | tarzeau: it have IDE or GUI designer? |
| 14:27.57 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: yes it has IDE AND GUI designer |
| 14:28.10 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: see this video: http://www.gnustep.org/experience/DevelopmentDemonstration.html |
| 14:28.15 | asg | CyzarX: gksu perhaps |
| 14:28.24 | chugga | CyzarX, are you using a toolkit? kde? |
| 14:28.25 | tarzeau | Fox_1_: very much like on Mac OS X (xcode) |
| 14:28.31 | modeman | anyone know KDE well enough to understand why an audio cd cannot be recognized by anything inherent with it's install? |
| 14:28.44 | asg | modeman: #debian-kde might |
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| 14:28.59 | valdyn | CyzarX: gksu <tab> <tab> |
| 14:29.00 | Kog | modeman: still having the same problem? |
| 14:29.00 | CyzarX | chugga, kde |
| 14:29.07 | modeman | cdcd works great, but i was looking for analternate gui program |
| 14:29.15 | modeman | Kog: yeah same thing... |
| 14:29.23 | Kog | modeman: I just did a scratch install of debian again... from the linux26 |
| 14:29.43 | Kog | modeman: aptitude killed all my packages when installing something trivial |
| 14:29.45 | modeman | Kobaz: you are doing sarge yes? |
| 14:29.51 | Kog | modeman: yes, sarge |
| 14:29.59 | Kog | and for the second time damnit, I'm kog! |
| 14:30.10 | Kog | my name is almost as fast as nick-completing 2 characters! |
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| 14:30.45 | modeman | heh, no offense autocomplete's a b!tch sometimes |
| 14:30.52 | paulswm | I've noticed that aptitude can get a bit overenthusiastic about removing packages which it thinks are unused. |
| 14:30.55 | modeman | where is Kobaz ? |
| 14:31.04 | Kog | paulswm: yeah, but it killed ALL of my packages |
| 14:31.11 | chugga | CyzarX, ok, hmm, start with Xdialog |
| 14:31.13 | Kog | paulswm: when running an install of links2 |
| 14:31.26 | Kog | which is why I will never use aptitude again. |
| 14:31.26 | paulswm | Kog: Well that's odd |
| 14:31.46 | Kog | paulswm: obviously i managed to hit something I didn't notice/want... but what it was? dunno |
| 14:31.47 | CyzarX | chugga, ??? |
| 14:32.00 | modeman | never used aptitude, unless it's in apt-get ! |
| 14:32.10 | Kog | modeman: front-end for apt-get |
| 14:32.19 | modeman | i thought so |
| 14:32.24 | chugga | CyzarX, ok, you need kdesu |
| 14:32.36 | Kog | it's a text-mode one... it's the one that the "easy" install throws you into afterwords |
| 14:32.40 | modeman | Kog: well, you mean to say that your whole install was affected? |
| 14:33.00 | paulswm | Kog: On the positive side, reintalls are probably positive karma, good for the soul, teach humility, etc :P |
| 14:33.03 | modeman | Kog: no backup? |
| 14:33.04 | Kog | yes, I mean that it killed damn near all of my packages while I was in Gnome |
| 14:33.13 | Kog | backup of what? heh |
| 14:33.16 | modeman | lol |
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| 14:33.39 | Kog | paulswm: I've been learning some serious humility in other forums lately, don't need my computer to bitchslap me too |
| 14:33.45 | CyzarX | chugga, how exactly? can u specify more details? |
| 14:33.46 | modeman | after my first "hosing of the system" after a bad alsa install, i ghosted =P |
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| 14:33.57 | paulswm | Kog: Too funny |
| 14:34.06 | chugga | CyzarX, you could read the manual - man kdesu , or just kdesu -h |
| 14:34.09 | Kog | paulswm: especially being a 4th year comp sci and having 15 years building/repairing boxes and running big labs |
| 14:34.18 | Kog | paulswm: it makes the baby jesus cry. |
| 14:34.34 | modeman | clean install's are good for the soul, the net install is a good way to keep sharp. |
| 14:34.39 | chugga | CyzarX, also kdesud might be of interest. i might be able to get an example on how to use it, one sec |
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| 14:34.52 | CyzarX | chugga, ok and thanks |
| 14:34.52 | Kog | modeman: yeah, ResNET is quiet now... getting 130k/sec |
| 14:35.22 | si|vercat | modversions.h is missing so my ivtv-module can't build, and I do have headers installed. any tips..? |
| 14:35.31 | modeman | Kog: what's our home connection? |
| 14:35.33 | paulswm | Kog: I have nearly 35 yrs programming, etc, lost count of the number of times I've glued together broken bits, it is a way of life really |
| 14:35.44 | valdyn | si|vercat: make oldconfig |
| 14:35.53 | Kog | modeman: 10megs -> K12 |
| 14:36.11 | modeman | Kog: is that like roadrunner? |
| 14:36.17 | Kog | paulswm: yeah, but one would think that I can install a package without wiping my packages... |
| 14:36.26 | Kog | modeman: it's an academic connection |
| 14:36.32 | modeman | gotcha |
| 14:36.45 | paulswm | Kog: True. Ah well, an act of God maybe |
| 14:36.47 | fabietto | hi at all... is www.kernel.org reachable from your computers? |
| 14:37.01 | Kog | modeman: K12 allows my university to lease 10megs off whatever source for 1000USD/year/meg a sec |
| 14:37.13 | modeman | Kog: but i would think that you could apt-get update or something to look for missing dependencies? |
| 14:37.17 | reNegad3 | thats so weird ive got more fps with 3d-accel in debian than any other distro ;) |
| 14:37.40 | catfather | no kernel.org for me |
| 14:37.40 | zeuclas | fabietto: no |
| 14:37.40 | Kog | modeman: I thought that the installer would set up my sound card if I told it linux26 on the boot options |
| 14:37.50 | Kog | modeman: I figured upgrading my kernel broke the sound system |
| 14:37.50 | modeman | ahhhh |
| 14:38.08 | Kog | and since my linux administrative experience is a hair over nothing.... |
| 14:38.11 | modeman | Kog: during an alsa install ? |
| 14:38.13 | paulswm | reNegad3: Assuming your glxgears window was the same size in each test :) |
| 14:38.21 | fabietto | catfather, zeuclas: thanks... :( i need to download the source code for kernel 2.4.27-1-386... do you know where i can find them? |
| 14:38.22 | Kog | modeman: ? |
| 14:38.28 | reNegad3 | yer its the same |
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| 14:38.40 | reNegad3 | hehe so that would make a difference |
| 14:38.44 | modeman | Kog: you did this as a result of an alsa install ? |
| 14:38.48 | valdyn | !tell fabietto about search |
| 14:38.50 | reNegad3 | nah default window size |
| 14:38.53 | HansKaiser | hello |
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| 14:39.09 | Kog | modeman: no I lost half my damn system to aptitude |
| 14:39.16 | valdyn | fabietto: it might be a good idea to update your kernel to one that is actually in sarge ( or sid if you are running that .. ) |
| 14:39.21 | zeuclas | fabietto: no... sry.. |
| 14:39.21 | paulswm | reNegad3: Yes, glxgears runs _really_ fast if you minimize it :) |
| 14:39.24 | modeman | Kog: oh, that really sux |
| 14:39.26 | Kog | modeman: I have to redownload things anyway... so I figured fresh install would be good for the soul and the computer |
| 14:39.27 | reNegad3 | ;) |
| 14:39.30 | reNegad3 | ahh k |
| 14:39.45 | modeman | Kog: poor bastard ;) |
| 14:39.49 | Kog | modeman: getting more EXP won't hurt me either |
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| 14:40.07 | Kog | modeman: since I haven't used debian in 3 years give or take |
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| 14:40.22 | fabietto | valdyn: sorry, i'm a newbie... i installed the sarge version, but i found this kernel installed |
| 14:40.35 | Kog | in fact... if I had the time to install Gentoo I wouldn't be using debian at the moment heh |
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| 14:40.38 | modeman | Kog: well, i just installed this system a few days ago and it has been a trial |
| 14:40.47 | paulswm | Kog: If you play golf, give it up, you can get all the frustration you need with *nix systems administration :) |
| 14:40.57 | reNegad3 | wish me luck :P |
| 14:41.02 | modeman | Kog: i have to set the idebus=xx but i don't know where |
| 14:41.09 | Kog | paulswm: I administrate some BSD boxes just fine |
| 14:41.15 | Kog | paulswm: and my gentoo box does well too |
| 14:41.28 | Kog | paulswm: but all this stuff with sound cards and graphics cards... I don't know any of it |
| 14:41.41 | modeman | running strictly debian here, one server and one workstation |
| 14:41.47 | Kog | paulswm: I've never run a nix box with X on it except on VMWare |
| 14:42.08 | Kog | oh, and CYGWIN because it already had TWM on it |
| 14:42.10 | modeman | Kog: so this is the real deal now? |
| 14:42.17 | paulswm | Kog: Yes, I'm the same, at work I'm all telnet and shell scripting, I find the same things a bit baffling |
| 14:42.27 | modeman | anyone know where to set idebus=xx anywhere? |
| 14:42.33 | Kog | modeman: I've been running FreeBSD and Gentoo boxes for years... but who the hell needs a sound card on a server? |
| 14:42.46 | modeman | i can get the mobo specs and set it but the boot screen offers little remedy |
| 14:42.53 | idnar | Kog: you mean your server doesn't talk to you? |
| 14:42.58 | valdyn | fabietto: "apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.27" |
| 14:43.11 | modeman | Kog: i agree, and who needs a gui for them? |
| 14:43.16 | Kog | idnar: it's locked in a room not entirely close to me... couldn't hear it anyway |
| 14:43.21 | ravn | anyone can help me begin with anjuta. How to communicate with Glace code? |
| 14:43.24 | Kog | modeman: RedHat "admins" do apparently |
| 14:43.26 | valdyn | fabietto: you will notice that the one you have installed may not be in that list |
| 14:43.41 | modeman | Kog: haha, i bet they bought it at a very high price |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | ravn: glade ? |
| 14:43.59 | Kog | modeman: the only time I need an RDP solution is on my 2k3 servers |
| 14:44.00 | quittt | quitte_, hi |
| 14:44.05 | modeman | Kog: but, some of the programmers and sysadmins swear by it, and they know their sh!t |
| 14:44.19 | abrotman | no they don't |
| 14:44.22 | ravn | abrotman: the GUI editor. |
| 14:44.24 | Kog | modeman: yeah, I'm sure they do - and I'm not the worlds greatest administrator |
| 14:44.35 | modeman | abrotman might be |
| 14:44.38 | modeman | =P |
| 14:44.39 | Kog | modeman: but you don't need a headed system if you're not running graphical apps in my opinions |
| 14:44.42 | abrotman | ravn: see what you can find on irc.gnome.org ... #debian is the wrong place |
| 14:45.02 | paulswm | I have never seen anything fill up a vacuum so fast and still suck. -- Rob Pike, on X. |
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| 14:45.05 | chugga | CyzarX, amazingly enough, kdesu application is all that is required |
| 14:45.10 | Kog | modeman: not worth the extra few hundred megs for crappy admin tools |
| 14:45.16 | fabietto | valdyn: in the last line of the output i can see "kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386" |
| 14:45.20 | chugga | CyzarX, it will only run application if the password is entered correctly |
| 14:45.25 | Kog | modeman: not to mention that virtual desktops are not as helpful as ttyv |
| 14:45.35 | valdyn | fabiette: cool, so install that one |
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| 14:45.45 | valdyn | fabietto: ops |
| 14:45.46 | abrotman | bah .. pdfs suck |
| 14:45.48 | modeman | Kog: agreed, but it is nice to click around =) |
| 14:45.49 | valdyn | fabietto sec |
| 14:45.52 | fabietto | valdyn: :-) |
| 14:45.56 | chugga | abrotman, because they are slow to load view? |
| 14:46.02 | Kog | modeman: the only exception to that is I hate web browsing without a GUI |
| 14:46.09 | abrotman | chugga: this one is ... and my laptop is 2.4Ghz .. |
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| 14:46.12 | valdyn | !find kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386 sarge |
| 14:46.13 | modeman | Kog: lynx is fun, what are you saying! |
| 14:46.19 | oZt | can I install java with apt or do I need to use the .bin files from sun? |
| 14:46.20 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386' returned no results. |
| 14:46.21 | Kog | abrotman: PDFs in Windows/Macs suck... but not on Nix heh |
| 14:46.25 | modeman | passes the proxy at werk all the time |
| 14:46.39 | abrotman | chugga: but it's gpdf |
| 14:46.43 | chugga | abrotman, i heard mac has harware rendering of pdfs, so its much faster. why dont we have that on linux? |
| 14:46.47 | reNegad3 | hahah thats crazi ;) |
| 14:46.54 | Kog | modeman: our packeteer is broken so it doesn't matter what we use |
| 14:46.55 | CyzarX | chugga, can u specify more in details? kdesu in the terminal ? |
| 14:47.10 | chugga | CyzarX, yes, do kdesu xterm |
| 14:47.11 | valdyn | fabietto: you maybe have to run apt-get update to update your list, that image listed isnt part of sarge either way |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | chugga: i have no idea what macs have ... but i doubt they have hardware rendering of Postscript |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:47.15 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:47.37 | valdyn | fabietto: but kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 is, so installed that one plus the appropriate headers |
| 14:47.54 | CyzarX | ok, thanks |
| 14:47.55 | Kog | ozt: I've always used binaries from sun or Blackdown myself |
| 14:48.04 | Kog | ozt: but I didn't see any apt-get stuff for blackdown |
| 14:48.11 | chugga | CyzarX, welcome |
| 14:48.12 | Kog | and the apt-get stuff I saw for java seems to use Kaffe |
| 14:48.40 | reNegad3 | I have to say that debian is the craziest distro out, pretty much whatever I havent gotten working on other distros work on debian, ive got the biggest smile now :) because I got cs working flawlessly!!! I could even say better than windoze :) :) :) thanks debian developers |
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| 14:48.42 | reNegad3 | woOp |
| 14:48.49 | oZt | Kog, ok, |
| 14:48.51 | oZt | thx |
| 14:48.52 | fabietto | valdyn: ok, so can i upgrade also the kernel with something like "apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade"? |
| 14:49.00 | valdyn | fabietto: you used an "outdated" installer, which is perfectly fine, just provides a kernel image that is no longer part of sarge so you are unable to find its sources / headers in it |
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| 14:49.22 | karim | il neige !!! |
| 14:49.33 | valdyn | fabietto: no, not in this case because its, even though derived from the same kernel.org kernel its a _different_ package, not just a higher version |
| 14:50.12 | Kog | oZt: also dpkg bot has something to say about java |
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| 14:50.18 | valdyn | fabietto: "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386" |
| 14:50.23 | Kog | oZt: so I may be completely wrong on the subject |
| 14:50.34 | oZt | kog ok |
| 14:50.38 | Kog | valdyn: why the 2.4 kernel and not 2.6? |
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| 14:50.55 | fabietto | valdyn: ok, i probably understood... so if i use apt-get with the "update" parameter i can't upgrade the kernel package, because it's no longer supported by sarge... right? |
| 14:50.58 | valdyn | Kog: because i dont advise people to change more than needed |
| 14:51.14 | valdyn | fabietto: right. |
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| 14:51.30 | Kog | valdyn: fair enough... I just grabbed sarge and it's running 2.4 unless you specify linux26. was wondering if there was a taboo I was unaware of |
| 14:51.42 | Kog | valdyn: last time I set up a linux box was when 2.4x was current ;) |
| 14:51.47 | paulswm | karim: Pas niege ici: Central Florida :) |
| 14:51.48 | modeman | what was that halloween document url again ? |
| 14:52.06 | modeman | damn history in konquerer.... |
| 14:52.12 | Kog | !tell modeman about OSS |
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| 14:52.24 | chugga | abrotman, i havent found much evidence for the hardware thing, only this so far " |
| 14:52.24 | chugga | Safari uses the PDF engine built into Mac OS X Tiger to display PDF documents right inside your browser window. A quicker, more convenient way to browse, inline PDF viewing saves you from downloading and managing files manually." |
| 14:52.37 | Kog | modeman: sorry.... thought it had the URL on it |
| 14:52.44 | abrotman | chugga: uhm .. that doesn't imply hardware rendering |
| 14:52.48 | dupondje | hi guys! i have a hdd with 3 partitions, i want to del partition 2 3 and make it 1 partition |
| 14:52.57 | dupondje | can i do that without losing datza ? |
| 14:53.07 | abrotman | dupondje: on those parttions 2 and 3 ? |
| 14:53.11 | dupondje | no |
| 14:53.12 | fabietto | valdyn: using aptitude instead of apt-get can give me some problem? |
| 14:53.16 | abrotman | no what? |
| 14:53.28 | dupondje | don't want to lose partition 1 |
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| 14:53.36 | Kog | dupondje: if you delete the partition, you loose the data on it. otherwise you're ok |
| 14:53.38 | abrotman | you sohuld be fine as far as i know |
| 14:53.40 | modeman | !oss |
| 14:53.40 | dpkg | it has been said that oss is a catchphrase for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.5 info).. OldSchoolSound |
| 14:53.44 | modeman | there it is |
| 14:53.45 | valdyn | fabietto: sure "could". But to not confuse you, just use it. Use whichever tool you prefer for installing packages. |
| 14:54.03 | modeman | someone linked a site tot it... |
| 14:54.05 | dupondje | so if i del partition 2 & 3 i don't lose data on partition 1 ? |
| 14:54.13 | fabietto | valdyn: thank you very much for you really precious help! |
| 14:54.17 | paulswm | dupondje: as long as you don't change the start point of partition one, you should be OK, but you'll have to expand partition one's file system separately |
| 14:54.25 | Kog | modeman: I lost my harddisk, otherwise I'd love to give it to you ;) |
| 14:54.33 | modeman | heh |
| 14:54.37 | valdyn | Kog: 2.6 has different bugs than 2.4 so imo, if you dont have a good reason to switch, dont do it. |
| 14:54.38 | modeman | Kog: thanks anyways |
| 14:54.48 | modeman | be back later... |
| 14:54.49 | Kog | modeman: but on the subject of Ghost... we use Enterprise Console at work |
| 14:54.55 | Kog | modeman: it's absolutely a godsend |
| 14:55.02 | Kog | remote task initiation |
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| 14:55.18 | paulswm | Kog: I've been using it for years, it's safe IMO |
| 14:55.29 | Sypher | Hello mens ... i've got a problem here. I need to limit the upload bandwidth of a single debian host, when the destination is on the internet (so, it dosnt limit the local LAN) to a speed that i set. Anybody can help? |
| 14:55.41 | dupondje | how do i disable swap ? |
| 14:55.50 | Kog | paulswm: yes, but because I'm apparently an idiot I won't use anything that gives me a chance to screw something up by accident |
| 14:56.10 | Subby | can anybody give me an advise what to use for powermanagement for my notebook? is there sth good for gnome? |
| 14:56.10 | chugga | abrotman, no it doesnt. perhaps i should have said hardware optimized or something like that since they have control over what hardware the OS will run. Anyway, im off for dinner. |
| 14:56.25 | abrotman | chugga: that still isn't waht it implies |
| 14:56.25 | valdyn | Sypher: this goes beyond this channel, but theres a traffic shaping howto on http://lartc.org/howto/ |
| 14:56.36 | paulswm | dupondje: to turn off swap, man swapoff, to permanently disable it, edit /etc/fstab |
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| 14:57.26 | Sypher | valdyn, ok thanks |
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| 14:58.35 | Kog | paulswm: that isn't nice :( |
| 14:58.45 | idnar | haha |
| 14:58.50 | Kog | what'd I do to you :( |
| 14:59.09 | paulswm | Kog: Well, you said about not wanting to screw anything up by accident, just helping out :> |
| 14:59.22 | Kog | oh, well... as long as it's purposeful |
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| 14:59.42 | Kog | that's not even computer related... common |
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| 15:00.19 | paulswm | to |
| 15:00.31 | hogballs | after installing an application, its missing a file out of some library. is there any command to autofind and install the missing library |
| 15:00.32 | Kog | see, your bad karma made you mispell your evil action |
| 15:00.38 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 15:00.52 | Kog | that was buddha slapping you. |
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| 15:01.18 | hogballs | gyach: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:01.18 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# find libltdl.so.3 |
| 15:01.18 | hogballs | find: libltdl.so.3: No such file or directory |
| 15:01.28 | dupondje | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (2238-9729, default 9729): +sizeM 1024 |
| 15:01.28 | dupondje | Using default value 9729 |
| 15:01.34 | dupondje | wtf ? i can't use that sizeM :( |
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| 15:02.12 | hogballs | where can i find the libltdl.so.3 fio; |
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| 15:02.15 | hogballs | err file at? |
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| 15:02.51 | hogballs | CAN SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE? |
| 15:02.59 | indes | probably not. |
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| 15:03.05 | indes | People need to know what you need help with first. |
| 15:03.30 | hogballs | WHERE can i find the libltdl.so.3 file at |
| 15:03.47 | hogballs | its missing and it is needed for my new application to work |
| 15:03.48 | lhurgoyf | hogballs, pakages.debian.org |
| 15:04.01 | indes | that works |
| 15:04.05 | lhurgoyf | packages.debian.org has file search facility |
| 15:04.11 | indes | apt the bot or dpkg the bot used to search for files too.. |
| 15:04.15 | indes | that was years ago |
| 15:04.22 | lhurgoyf | use it to locate that file and install the given package |
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| 15:05.22 | hogballs | dpkg libltdl.so.3 |
| 15:05.22 | dpkg | i don't know, hogballs |
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| 15:05.31 | hogballs | apt libltdl |
| 15:05.34 | indes | no |
| 15:05.35 | indes | duh |
| 15:05.39 | dupondje | : +sizeM 1024 |
| 15:05.41 | indes | don't start spamming bots. |
| 15:05.45 | dupondje | is that correct in fdisk ? :s |
| 15:05.49 | dupondje | cause it doesn't want to work :s |
| 15:05.55 | directhex | libltdl3: usr/lib/libltdl.so.3 |
| 15:05.57 | dupondje | want to make a partition with 1024mb :s |
| 15:05.58 | hogballs | i dont understand debian ok? |
| 15:06.12 | indes | hogballs, this is an irc channel |
| 15:06.14 | indes | not an os |
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| 15:06.20 | indes | 10:06:57:: dpkg Debian Package Listing of 'libltdl' (2 shown): libltdl3 ;; libltdl3-dev. |
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| 15:06.25 | hogballs | ok direct x |
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| 15:06.37 | indes | so apt-get install libltld3 ? |
| 15:06.39 | indes | was that so hard? |
| 15:06.41 | hogballs | how do i get that ok? |
| 15:06.58 | hogballs | i did apt-get libltld3.so.3 |
| 15:07.06 | indes | Well thats not how apt-get works |
| 15:07.09 | hogballs | because that is the file name |
| 15:07.11 | indes | apt-get fetches a PACKAGE |
| 15:07.12 | hogballs | ok |
| 15:07.16 | indes | the file is in the package |
| 15:07.16 | hogballs | well thx |
| 15:07.16 | drasko | hogballs, try apt-get install libltdl |
| 15:07.26 | lhurgoyf | hogballs, use synaptic instead of apt-get |
| 15:07.27 | hogballs | ok okokokok thx |
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| 15:07.32 | indes | jeeez.. |
| 15:07.36 | hogballs | synaptic? |
| 15:07.40 | hogballs | never heard of that |
| 15:07.52 | indes | he doesn't need an interface to get ONE PACKAGE |
| 15:07.57 | hogballs | lol |
| 15:08.00 | indes | hogballs, nevermind do as you're told |
| 15:08.01 | drasko | hogballs, gtk front end to apt-get |
| 15:08.09 | quittt | !slackware |
| 15:08.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware |
| 15:08.13 | lhurgoyf | indes if someone is new to debiansynaptic is better that apt |
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| 15:08.37 | drasko | lhurgoyf, disagtee :) |
| 15:08.45 | drasko | disagree |
| 15:08.49 | dupondje | plz help me :( |
| 15:08.54 | indes | lhurgoyf, for the purposes of finding a file contained in a package then getting it, it is much easier for me to say "as root type apt-get install <blah>" instead of as root run some program and search for whatever it is |
| 15:08.56 | indes | blah blah blah |
| 15:09.02 | fabs | hey, I have a question: what happened to the mico-packages? They are in stable but not in testing or unstable... |
| 15:09.16 | hogballs | i think that fucking worked dudes! thank you |
| 15:09.21 | paulswm | dupondje: cfdisk |
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| 15:09.37 | indes | hogballs, next time you need something, ask it right away and do as you're told. |
| 15:09.43 | lhurgoyf | indes, for you yes |
| 15:09.45 | indes | don't argue, things will happen even faster |
| 15:09.46 | indes | :-p |
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| 15:10.20 | lhurgoyf | i don't like to send people to command line. especially newbies |
| 15:10.28 | indes | lhurgoyf, you mean, you suggest me advising people to get something they may not already have, figure out how to use an interface rather than PASTING A COMMAND? |
| 15:10.43 | lhurgoyf | this will probably make them screw thingsaway |
| 15:10.44 | indes | I find GTK interfaces harder to navigate than a prompt and a paste command. |
| 15:10.53 | paulswm | apt-get and aptitude command lines are not exactly complicated |
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| 15:11.16 | paulswm | !prize indes |
| 15:11.21 | indes | I feel this converstaion should be left to /dev/null where I believe you're mind is at the moment. :-p |
| 15:11.25 | lhurgoyf | indes, synaptic will be 90% installed |
| 15:11.30 | indes | lhurgoyf, I don't have it |
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| 15:11.39 | indes | lhurgoyf, nor do I feel the need. |
| 15:11.48 | lhurgoyf | are you a newbie indes ? |
| 15:11.51 | indes | no. |
| 15:11.53 | lhurgoyf | probably not :) |
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| 15:11.58 | HansKaiser | can someone explain me how to setup my pcmcia usb2.0 card to run on top-speed (480MBit) under suse it is running fine |
| 15:12.02 | lhurgoyf | i prefer aptitude instead |
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| 15:12.11 | indes | lhurgoyf, even still, if they want to look thru packages and install random things at well |
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| 15:12.15 | indes | by all means, use a gui tool |
| 15:12.20 | indes | but for one package where he needs a lib |
| 15:12.28 | indes | probably your gui app sorts by catergory |
| 15:12.33 | indes | he won't know to look in libs |
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| 15:12.46 | indes | I'm sorry but pasting a command is FAR easier in this instance. |
| 15:12.50 | paulswm | Solak: If you are new to debian, workstation, otherwise you are going to be doing a lot of package selection. You can always adjust (install, remove) after your system is set up |
| 15:12.57 | indes | had I not strongly felt so I would not have advised him as such |
| 15:13.03 | indes | I'm finishing this conversation now. |
| 15:13.05 | indes | period. |
| 15:13.11 | lhurgoyf | indes, i got your point already but still synaptic is nicer for a newbie and probably in suppert "synaptic install something" |
| 15:13.20 | lhurgoyf | in support = it supports |
| 15:13.29 | directhex | !start a package manager war |
| 15:13.36 | paulswm | Heh |
| 15:13.38 | Solak | paulswm: I have some experience with debian... but I don't need gnome, and workstation installed both gnome and kde. |
| 15:13.42 | indes | ironically its the SAME PACKAGE MANAGER!! :-p |
| 15:13.55 | brynjarh | Hey, I'm wondering, why hasn't there been developed a xine or gstreamer multimedia plugin for browsers yet? It seams like something most people would want.. |
| 15:14.01 | Solak | paulswm: would be nice if you could select 'workstation' and specify the desktop-environment |
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| 15:14.32 | paulswm | Solak: Yes, I did a sarge install on an old box recently and spent forever cleaning out the 3 million kde packages |
| 15:14.37 | lhurgoyf | indes, we are probably in the same line but arguing :) |
| 15:14.37 | lhurgoyf | comma |
| 15:15.05 | dupondje | how can i mount freebsd partitions in linux ? |
| 15:15.09 | indes | hah |
| 15:15.13 | vrok | does anybody have few minutes to take a look at this - http://x-men.pl/~vrok/syf/aptsh_0.0.1-1_i386.deb ? |
| 15:15.17 | indes | dupondje, you need ufs support in your kernel |
| 15:15.23 | lhurgoyf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.30 | paulswm | Solak: You could always choose 'file server' or something then add your desktop later (and remove nfs, samba, etc if you didn't need it) - I did that with another box :) |
| 15:15.47 | dupondje | k |
| 15:15.59 | Solak | paulswm: well, I must admit that I like kde in some way, and some gnome apps as well, but I don't need the gnome-desktop-environment for that |
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| 15:16.35 | HansKaiser | nobody with experiences with usb2.0 and pcmcia? |
| 15:16.37 | paulswm | Solak: So pick a non-desktop option, anything's better than picking *all* your individual packages, surely |
| 15:16.42 | si|vercat | I'm having problems installing ivtv drivers.. |
| 15:16.45 | Solak | paulswm: or remove all apps I don't need from the workstation install with 'purge', so no data is left. |
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| 15:17.23 | paulswm | Solak: Yes, but that's a *lot* of purges :) |
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| 15:18.10 | Solak | paulswm: with aptitude that should be relatively easy :) |
| 15:18.32 | paulswm | Solak: True :) |
| 15:18.40 | Solak | but I remember that the previous installer had some more 'tasks' you could select from. |
| 15:19.09 | Solak | I remember selecting development/x-window-system and then installed kde manually |
| 15:19.35 | lhurgoyf | Solak, "tasksel" |
| 15:19.35 | paulswm | Solak: KISS principle at work here, more newbie-friendly I suspect. |
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| 15:20.00 | HansKaiser | hmm seems to be hard to find support for usb under debian |
| 15:20.02 | lhurgoyf | it is not installer specific. you can run it as "tasksel" |
| 15:20.21 | lhurgoyf | HansKaiser, use hotplug |
| 15:20.38 | Solak | lhurgoyf: oh. so just 'manually install packages' followed by 'tasksel'? |
| 15:20.46 | lhurgoyf | it loads required modules for things after it is connected |
| 15:21.25 | omry | I have two computers, and I want to share files between them using nfs. should the uid and gid on both machines be synchronized? |
| 15:21.26 | paulswm | lhurgoyf: Solak meant the generic tasks, like "Peogram development" or whatever they wer |
| 15:21.32 | paulswm | Program |
| 15:21.38 | lhurgoyf | Solak, personally, do minimal install, followed by aptitude install gnome |
| 15:21.42 | HansKaiser | lhurgoyf: i get a connection via usb. but my hdd is running on high-speed (12MBit/s) and not under 480MBit/s |
| 15:21.55 | lhurgoyf | i lost the point ok :) |
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| 15:22.34 | HansKaiser | i know it runs under linux, but not under deb :-( and i do not know what to change |
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| 15:22.58 | cast | right. i want to install emacs21 but it needs libtiff3g which only a virtual pkg. looking at what libtiff is, i dont think i really need that funtionality, how do i force emacs despite this one unfilled dependancy? |
| 15:23.07 | directhex | <HansKaiser> hmm seems to be hard to find support for usb under debian <-- what the hell? |
| 15:23.09 | lhurgoyf | do you have hotplug runing ? |
| 15:23.25 | directhex | HansKaiser, what does uname -r say? |
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| 15:23.54 | lhurgoyf | linux 2.6 + udev + hotplug is the three musketeers :) |
| 15:24.06 | HansKaiser | mompl |
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| 15:24.47 | fabietto | valdyn: i installed the kernel 2.4.27-2-k7 (i'm using a notebook based on amd athlon xp-m, so i choosed the k7 version instead of 386 one) |
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| 15:25.46 | fabietto | valdyn: anyway, i haven't got the sources in the /usr/src... can i download them with aptitude, apt-get or similar? |
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| 15:26.23 | HansKaiser | directhex: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 15:26.44 | HansKaiser | lhurgoyf: how to determine if they are running? |
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| 15:27.17 | lewinsky | I AM GOD |
| 15:27.32 | tyia | lewinsky: nice to meet you |
| 15:27.42 | paulswm | fabietto: apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 15:27.45 | HansKaiser | some cigars here? |
| 15:27.53 | dupondje | mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel |
| 15:27.57 | dupondje | but i did enable it :s |
| 15:28.03 | dupondje | VFAT |
| 15:28.12 | fabietto | paulsw: thanks! :) |
| 15:28.20 | paulswm | fabietto: yw :) |
| 15:28.24 | tyia | dupondje: -t vfat, not -t fat |
| 15:28.40 | tyia | dupondje: when mounting |
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| 15:29.09 | tyia | lewinsky: what makes you think you are god? |
| 15:29.35 | tyia | lewinsky: and why exactly would you announce that on #debian? |
| 15:29.48 | tyia | lewinsky: I would use other channels |
| 15:30.22 | cahoot | tyia: wouldn't need to if true |
| 15:30.29 | tyia | lewinsky: like... um... get a T-shirt with that message? |
| 15:31.51 | dupondje | how can u find out what kind of fs a disk has ? :s |
| 15:31.57 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:31.57 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:32.01 | Kog | couldn't lewinsky use #debian-god? |
| 15:32.03 | Kog | ;) |
| 15:32.21 | abrotman | fdisk -l |
| 15:32.35 | abrotman | dupondje: man fdisk |
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| 15:32.42 | fabietto | paulswm: download in progress... when it will be finished, should i manually make the various symbolic links or apt-get provides automatically? |
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| 15:33.08 | bactis | dupondje: did you change the /etc/fstab? |
| 15:33.10 | tyia | dupondje: usually mount is clever enough to automagically find out |
| 15:33.15 | dupondje | it gives freebsd :s |
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| 15:33.33 | dupondje | /dev/hdb1 * 1 14589 117186111 a5 FreeBSD |
| 15:33.34 | Kog | dupondje: you using windows fdisk? or a nix fdisk? |
| 15:33.41 | dupondje | linux fdisk |
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| 15:33.50 | gcbirzan | How can I debug gdm, it's starting X but then exiting, starting X, exiting and so forth. I do have some warning/errors in the XFree log, but X on its own starts just fine. |
| 15:34.02 | dupondje | # mount -t ufs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/test |
| 15:34.02 | dupondje | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, |
| 15:34.02 | dupondje | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.07 | Kog | nevermind... I just know that Windows FDISK lists some FS types as BSD |
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| 15:34.30 | tyia | dupondje: it might be a FreeBSD slice |
| 15:34.47 | tyia | dupondje: did you try mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ |
| 15:34.48 | lewinsky | friend = computertakeover |
| 15:34.50 | paulswm | fabietto: it will put a .bz2 in /usr/src, then you cd to /usr/src and unpack it with tar xjf <filename> and follow a debian kernel compile howto |
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| 15:35.37 | tyia | lewinsky: let me guess that your mind has been taken over instead |
| 15:35.40 | fabietto | paulsw: but i need to compile this kernel? i previously downloaded it through aptitude and now i booted this kernel |
| 15:35.41 | lewinsky | all your root passwords are belong to me |
| 15:35.49 | lewinsky | :-) |
| 15:35.50 | directhex | !rootsmite lewinsky |
| 15:35.55 | bactis | gcbirzan: first: "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" then "dpKg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" then "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 15:35.58 | dupondje | 0# mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ |
| 15:35.58 | dupondje | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 15:36.02 | tyia | !fuck lewinsky |
| 15:36.13 | lewinsky | hmm |
| 15:36.17 | lewinsky | damn |
| 15:36.29 | HansKaiser | directhex: do you need more infos ? |
| 15:36.31 | clinton | !fuck lewinsky |
| 15:36.40 | bactis | gcbirzan thats not debug, but you configuration is wrong |
| 15:36.43 | lewinsky | lol |
| 15:37.02 | Kog | clinton: you might wanna tell lewinsky to hit the drycleaners on the way home |
| 15:37.09 | si|vercat | anyone had any luck with ivtv-driver? |
| 15:37.10 | clinton | yeah... |
| 15:37.24 | Kog | you know that dry cleaning is evil when it kills bed-bug eggs |
| 15:37.28 | CyzarX | chugga, can i pm u? it's about the kdesu thingy |
| 15:37.41 | dupondje | i really want the data on those hdd's back :s |
| 15:38.11 | fabietto | paulswm: but i need to compile this kernel? i previously downloaded it through aptitude and now i booted this kernel |
| 15:38.11 | directhex | HansKaiser, do you have usb-ehci loaded? |
| 15:38.14 | clinton | dupondje: and you don't know what filesystem they contain?! |
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| 15:38.19 | HansKaiser | yes |
| 15:38.44 | gcbirzan | bactis: Nope. |
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| 15:38.49 | HansKaiser | directhex: but i get anyway a slow connection |
| 15:38.59 | paulswm | fabietto: Follow a debian kernel compile howto, like I said. Chapter 7 in the Debian Reference Manual, for instance. |
| 15:39.08 | fabietto | paulswm: ok |
| 15:39.08 | lewis | does lsearch (in an exim conf) look sequentially through the file until it has a match? |
| 15:39.16 | gcbirzan | Reading a strace of XFree is boring. |
| 15:39.31 | dupondje | clinton: normally ext3 or fat32 or ntfs |
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| 15:40.58 | paulswm | fabietto: And here's another one which I like: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html - except I suggest using 'fakeroot make-kpkg...' rather than just compiling as root |
| 15:41.35 | bactis | gcbirzan are you sure your vga is supportet by xfree and are you sure your mouse + keyboard are detected during the kernel boot? |
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| 15:42.24 | gcbirzan | bactis: XFree works. |
| 15:42.42 | jannol | Quick Question: the perl shebang can be put as eg. " #!/usr/local/bin/perl - " what does that " - " do ? |
| 15:42.42 | bactis | if xfree works.. gdm should work also ;) |
| 15:42.52 | paulswm | Kog: I noticed you taking a deep breath earlier, you are aware of Sundays here right? |
| 15:43.03 | gcbirzan | Ah. |
| 15:43.04 | gcbirzan | Segfault. |
| 15:43.11 | Kog | paulswm: excuse me? |
| 15:43.21 | paulswm | !sing Sunday |
| 15:43.21 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 15:43.33 | Kog | erm, if you say so? |
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| 15:43.38 | dupondje | i try'ed -t ext2 -t ext3 -t nfts -t vfat :s |
| 15:43.40 | paulswm | Kog: Wait and see |
| 15:43.42 | dupondje | but they all give error :( |
| 15:43.45 | gcbirzan | Now I only need to figure out what is segfaulting. :-P |
| 15:43.59 | Kog | paulswm: naw... it's been a bad week |
| 15:44.15 | Kog | paulswm: been getting harassed and almost assaulted daily for the past 3 days |
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| 15:44.33 | Kog | paulswm: and my job makes it impossible for me to defend myself either in reputation or against physical assault |
| 15:44.37 | gcbirzan | 5955 execve("/usr/bin/gdmgreeter", ["/usr/bin/gdmgreeter"], [/* 23 vars */]) = |
| 15:44.37 | gcbirzan | 0 |
| 15:44.38 | paulswm | Kog: Actually yesterday here was worse than most Sundays, but Sunday seems to be usually the crazy day |
| 15:44.42 | Kog | hahaha |
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| 15:45.30 | bactis | !segfault |
| 15:45.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 15:45.43 | Rawplayer | !sig11 |
| 15:45.43 | dpkg | it has been said that sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 15:46.10 | reNegad3 | !karamba |
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| 15:46.49 | reNegad3 | !pigs-flying |
| 15:46.54 | gcbirzan | Rawplayer: Of course, it's hardware, it didn't even start after a dist-upgrade. :-P |
| 15:47.14 | paulswm | !stupid bot tricks |
| 15:47.14 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
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| 15:48.00 | gcbirzan | It's in /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_state_type_get_type+0x0)[0xb7df3df0] |
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| 15:48.32 | bactis | gcbirzan how much ram do you have? |
| 15:49.09 | Kog | now to see if my gnome install worked... |
| 15:49.51 | Kog | and... apparently not |
| 15:50.05 | Kog | shit, I can't log on with any of my ttyv |
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| 15:50.35 | gcbirzan | bactis: 256+128. Hm. Indeed, this also started after I added RAM, but that stick worked fine in another machine. |
| 15:50.39 | Kog | what the hell happened to my shell... |
| 15:50.46 | p30n | hello, i wonder, how do i make debian sarge mount 2 hdds everytime i boot, now i need to mount it after restart....hm |
| 15:51.10 | gcbirzan | p30n: /etc/fstab |
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| 15:51.31 | p30n | gcbirzan i just need to add the mount -t ext3 etc etc in that one? |
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| 15:53.55 | gcbirzan | p30n: man 5 fstab |
| 15:53.56 | kevinz | is there any more advanced ftp gui client, i find gftp can not download a directory! :S |
| 15:54.08 | abrotman | i get it can |
| 15:54.14 | christianp | hi all |
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| 15:54.40 | HansKaiser | how can i determine if i have udev and/or hotplug running? |
| 15:54.40 | kevinz | faint, i don't know why then |
| 15:54.45 | bactis | pe0n type in your fstab: /dev/hda3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 15:55.06 | dvs | HansKaiser: With udev, look for a /.dev directory |
| 15:55.06 | kpld | Permission reason? |
| 15:55.26 | christianp | i install at home a debian sarge distro, the once with installation over the net |
| 15:55.44 | HansKaiser | dvs okay it is a folder there... |
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| 15:55.53 | chugga | kevinz, be thankful it doesnt segfault so much these days |
| 15:56.03 | dvs | HansKaiser: Then udev is enabled |
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| 15:56.10 | chugga | kevinz, tr filezilla |
| 15:56.11 | HansKaiser | okay thanks |
| 15:56.12 | christianp | after installing base system, i want to use my dsl connection to apt programs |
| 15:56.26 | christianp | my connection is through a ethernet modem |
| 15:56.32 | kevinz | chugga: oh, ok! |
| 15:56.33 | abrotman | try tar |
| 15:56.39 | dvs | !tell christianp about enter |
| 15:56.40 | abrotman | filezilla isn't in debian ... |
| 15:56.41 | HansKaiser | dvs: do you how I can determine if hotplug is running? |
| 15:56.47 | kevinz | :o |
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| 15:57.02 | dvs | HansKaiser: No, I can tell if it's installed by looking for /etc/init.d/hotplug |
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| 15:57.44 | relex | hello. whenever i try to start my xserver i get about 50 lines of unresolved symbols from libGLcore in my log. I am using the nvidia driver that i compiled myself. any clues as to what can be causing it? |
| 15:57.47 | si|vercat | what does "modprobe: page allocation failure." mean? Trying to load ivtv |
| 15:57.48 | HansKaiser | dvs: it is install, but i do not know which process is responsible |
| 15:57.53 | doublehp_ | does Debian kernel images 2.6 include DRM support ? |
| 15:58.02 | dvs | HansKaiser: neither do i |
| 15:58.02 | lewis | is lsearch sequential? |
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| 15:58.43 | christianp | pppoeconf says there's no access concentrator over my ethernet devices. How can i have to do? |
| 15:58.49 | russruss | apt-get is having problems connecting to mirrors.kernel.org ... it was working last night... any ideas? |
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| 15:58.57 | christianp | sorry dvs |
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| 15:59.49 | doublehp_ | I have a Prosavage ( S3); which kernel DRM module do I need ? |
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| 16:00.28 | directhex | relex, what do you mean by " the nvidia driver that i compiled myself"? |
| 16:00.47 | mwilson | russruss: Sure. Use another mirror. |
| 16:00.51 | relex | directhex, the binaries did not exist for my system, i used the nvidia installer to compile them myself |
| 16:01.12 | relex | i think this may have something to do with how libGL is linked in /usr/lib, but it looks fine to me |
| 16:01.21 | HansKaiser | do anybody else know how to determine if hotplug is running? |
| 16:01.27 | directhex | relex, you're into 'i fucked my pc' land then. nvidia-installer does NOT work well on debian |
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| 16:01.41 | valdyn | relex: apt-get --reinstall install xlibmesa-gl and see how thinks break |
| 16:01.47 | russruss | mwilson: oooh... is there a list anywhere? I'm totally a newbie |
| 16:01.52 | relex | directhex, it worked fine for months then decided to hang yesterday |
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| 16:01.57 | igraltist | directhex, no for me work nvida driver well |
| 16:01.58 | directhex | relex, indeed |
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| 16:02.03 | russruss | I'm just using mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 16:02.07 | valdyn | relex: oh you did it already.. |
| 16:02.11 | dvs | HansKaiser: Oh, /etc/init.d/hotplug status |
| 16:02.11 | directhex | igraltist, rearrange your words so you're speaking english |
| 16:02.13 | gcbirzan | Hm, so. If a program segfaults in a certain library, should I file a bugreport against the program, or the library? |
| 16:02.29 | igraltist | directhex, a little bit :) |
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| 16:02.33 | relex | right now i'm upgrading x and hoping it was an xbug |
| 16:02.48 | directhex | relex, upgrading x is what fucks systems you've uesed nvidia-installer on |
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| 16:03.10 | directhex | relex, it's the EXACT thing that breaks nvidia-installer. |
| 16:03.11 | relex | directhex, i know, i'll have to recompile the driver |
| 16:03.22 | resiak | relex: Just use the module-assistant method, FTLOG |
| 16:03.27 | directhex | relex, yes, you have fun doing that. i'll stick with the debian packages which just work |
| 16:03.31 | Kog | damnit... /dev/dsp still doesn't work |
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| 16:03.55 | resiak | Kog: Are you using alsa? |
| 16:04.16 | Kog | yes indeed |
| 16:04.18 | dvs | Kog: modeprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 16:04.25 | Kog | been there, done that |
| 16:04.25 | resiak | !tell paulswm about sunday |
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| 16:04.50 | russruss | hey while we're asking stupid newbie questions, how do you tell which processes is claiming a device? |
| 16:05.01 | Kog | and yeah, I'm in the audio group |
| 16:05.01 | directhex | russruss, with lsof |
| 16:05.08 | HansKaiser | dvs: seems to be only the khubd process... if it is, there would be an other problem iwth my usb |
| 16:05.08 | russruss | directhex: thanks |
| 16:05.12 | dvs | Kog: Are you using Gnome/KDE and have it's sounds enabled? |
| 16:05.17 | paulswm | resiak: Yes, I know, I was telling Kog earlier :) |
| 16:05.18 | Kog | not that it will matter in a second when I chmod it to 777 |
| 16:05.22 | HansKaiser | dvs: thx! |
| 16:05.31 | dvs | HansKaiser: np |
| 16:05.35 | Kog | dvs: I'm using Gnome and as far as I know it's got sounds enabled |
| 16:05.41 | resiak | !esd |
| 16:05.41 | dpkg | i heard esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 16:05.45 | dvs | Kog: Turn the sound off |
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| 16:05.53 | Kog | dvs: how? |
| 16:06.46 | p30n | question: hmm, tty1 froze when i read some man pages and i went to tty2 to kill that process, now its still frozen and says its <defunct> on ps x |
| 16:06.49 | dvs | Kog: From the Gnome menu, Applications -> Desktop Preferences -> Sound |
| 16:06.52 | p30n | how do i kill it? |
| 16:07.01 | russruss | hey is there any master list of apt-get repository mirrors? I'm having trouble finding one on google |
| 16:07.15 | directhex | russruss, run 'apt-setup' |
| 16:07.19 | valdyn | p30n: try to kill its parent |
| 16:07.32 | p30n | valdyn how do i know what the parent is? |
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| 16:07.38 | valdyn | p30n: pstree |
| 16:07.49 | p30n | thx |
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| 16:08.09 | Kog | dvs: apparently it wasn't set to enable sound server startup |
| 16:08.40 | russruss | directhex: well for some reason my apt-get doesn't want to connect to mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 16:08.43 | Kog | dvs: so I checked it, but the app still says /dev/dsp doesn't exist heh |
| 16:08.53 | directhex | russruss, kernel.org's mirror has been dodgy for ages |
| 16:08.54 | dvs | Kog: ls -l /dev/dsp |
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| 16:09.11 | russruss | directhex: ok, what should I use? |
| 16:09.17 | Kog | paulswm, this seems familiar, eh ;) |
| 16:09.21 | Kog | dvs, it's there... |
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| 16:09.28 | paulswm | russruss: apt-setup or go to www.debian.org, a mirror list is there somewhere |
| 16:09.30 | directhex | russruss, erm... something else? |
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| 16:09.39 | Kog | dvs, crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-02-20 07:49 /dev/dsp |
| 16:09.41 | russruss | :-P ok thanks guys |
| 16:09.45 | paulswm | Kog: No shit :) |
| 16:09.56 | HansKaiser | maybe my next try will find someone who could help. I cannot run my pcmcai usb2.0 card under top-speed (480MBit/s) my usb-hdd, is aweful slow under debian(sarge) |
| 16:09.58 | mwilson | directhex: You have to understand, he thinks you should decide for him. |
| 16:10.02 | paulswm | !tell Kog about sunday |
| 16:10.04 | dvs | Kog: do "groups" |
| 16:10.04 | Kog | paulswm, the whole app menu -> sound thing I didn't try yet... but still didn't fix anything |
| 16:10.10 | jordin | j #debian-es |
| 16:10.12 | Kog | dvs: I'm in the audio group |
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| 16:10.20 | dvs | Kog: Did you just add that? |
| 16:10.22 | gcbirzan | Okay, sooo. I've managed to break GTK. :-P |
| 16:10.23 | Kog | dvs: the first thing I tried 15 hours ago was adding myself to it heh |
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| 16:10.33 | fabietto | anyone using ndiswrapper? |
| 16:10.38 | dvs | Kog: Did you log out since then? |
| 16:10.48 | Kog | dvs: I've rebooted the machine several times |
| 16:11.04 | dvs | Kog: Was the sound working before? |
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| 16:11.12 | Kog | dvs: nope |
| 16:11.14 | paulswm | fabietto: ask your question and see if someone answers :) |
| 16:11.30 | Kog | dvs: I just spent the last half a day trying to get it to work no less |
| 16:11.37 | dvs | Kog: lspci | grep audio |
| 16:11.43 | fabietto | paulsw: my economic background... i always search to cluster my target... :-D |
| 16:11.58 | Kog | dvs: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
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| 16:12.06 | Kog | and if I lsmod it's in there |
| 16:12.26 | valdyn | Kog: _what_ exactly is in there |
| 16:12.27 | fabietto | anyway... i can't install the ndiswrapper kernel module... i used aptitude to download ndiswrapper, but the kernel module seems to ben not installed! |
| 16:12.31 | HansKaiser | seems really a problem with usb under debian? |
| 16:12.35 | Kog | my via82xx |
| 16:12.36 | dvs | Kog: what valdyn said |
| 16:12.40 | dvs | Kog: WRONG! |
| 16:12.47 | dvs | Kog: snd-via82xx |
| 16:12.48 | Kog | it's not in my mods? |
| 16:12.49 | valdyn | Kog: i said EXACTLY |
| 16:13.11 | Kog | jesus dude, why the hostility |
| 16:13.31 | dvs | Kog: Sorry. |
| 16:13.37 | valdyn | Kog: no hostility, we need a precise answer |
| 16:13.38 | Kog | but yes, EXACTLY the snd_via82xx is there |
| 16:13.54 | dvs | Kog: Is the via82xx there too? |
| 16:13.57 | valdyn | Kog: lsmod | grep via - tell all that are listed |
| 16:15.04 | Kog | the snd_via82xx, snd_ac97_codec, gameport, snd_mpu401_uart, snd_pcm, snd, snd_page_alloc, via_agp, agpgart,via_rhine,mii,crc32,via_ircc,irda,via82cxxx,ide_core |
| 16:15.12 | Kog | whoa... via82cxxx wasn't there earlier |
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| 16:15.28 | echogen | hi all |
| 16:15.28 | directhex | winnar! |
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| 16:15.57 | fabietto | When I try to compile the ndiswrapper, i get this error message: "Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/build; give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make; make: *** [prereq_check] Error 1" |
| 16:15.58 | echogen | i want to buy an AMD processor... is it supported under linux ? |
| 16:16.09 | leumaS | -YES' |
| 16:16.28 | valdyn | Kog: that one is your IDE driver, its fine, via82cxxx_audio would be bad |
| 16:16.31 | directhex | echogen, since about 199forever, yes. |
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| 16:16.43 | Petro | Where is conf.d on Debian? |
| 16:16.52 | Kog | valdyn, still, last time I looked at my lsmod it wasn't there... but then, I basically reinstalled debian |
| 16:16.54 | gcbirzan | What's conf.d? |
| 16:17.05 | echogen | leumaS : do i have to compile my software again ??? |
| 16:17.22 | valdyn | Kog: with a different kernel release ( 2.4 -> 2.6 ) |
| 16:17.28 | directhex | echogen, what on god's green earth are you on about? |
| 16:17.48 | Kog | erm... I killed the partition and reinstalled everything with the same setup as before |
| 16:17.53 | G400 | echogen: no but a kernel recompile would be good |
| 16:17.53 | echogen | directhex: sorry i have no idea about amd |
| 16:17.56 | Kog | I somehow managed to kill all my packages with aptitude |
| 16:18.02 | echogen | ok good then i will go for ir |
| 16:18.11 | leumaS | echogen: no... well the only thing in debian optimozed for AMD is the kernel but everythign else will run fine. |
| 16:18.12 | directhex | echogen, WHICH amd? opteron? sempron? alchemy? |
| 16:18.20 | fabietto | into /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7 i've got a link: build -> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 16:18.24 | russruss | hey sorry to be a pain in the neck but most of the apt-get mirrors I'm trying don't work.. someone wanna just give me the one they're using? |
| 16:18.25 | echogen | i am from an intel background and the AMD seems too good to be true |
| 16:18.42 | echogen | directhex: amd 4000+ |
| 16:18.54 | valdyn | Kog: have you done "aplay some.wav" ? |
| 16:19.01 | leumaS | echogen: make sure that you install a kernel with -k7 at the end... if it is a regular athlon you are installing or maybe AMD-64 if that is what you are buying. |
| 16:19.03 | directhex | echogen, athlon 64 then. you can run regular i386 linux, or amd64 linux. your choice. |
| 16:19.08 | Kog | naw, but I tried dumping into /dev/dsp |
| 16:19.21 | valdyn | Kog: try aplay some.wav please |
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| 16:19.29 | Kog | valdyn, lemme find a wav file first |
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| 16:19.42 | valdyn | Kog: we want to see alsa working before we even think about using alsas oss emulation layer |
| 16:19.47 | echogen | is it better to recompile the kernel ???? |
| 16:19.51 | Kog | valdyn, I know |
| 16:19.56 | directhex | echogen, why recompile the kernel? |
| 16:19.59 | Kog | valdyn, lemme find a wav real quick... |
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| 16:20.12 | HansKaiser | really no help for my usb issue? |
| 16:20.18 | valdyn | Kog: /usr/share/sounds/ |
| 16:20.32 | echogen | if it will run the same without recompiling then it is good |
| 16:20.41 | leumaS | echogen: just download another debiankernel that is allready optimized |
| 16:20.42 | echogen | one question more |
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| 16:20.51 | directhex | echogen, if WHAT will run the same? what kernel? eh? be specific |
| 16:21.00 | G400 | HansKaiser: do you have the right module? |
| 16:21.00 | Kog | aplay: main:508: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 16:21.10 | Kog | well that's fun. |
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| 16:21.13 | echogen | i have a small Harddisk, i will buy a bigger one, can i move my linux partition to that new hardisk without installing linux again ? |
| 16:21.27 | mwilson | echogen: Hard Disk Upgrade HOWTO |
| 16:21.31 | Kog | echogen, go buy a copy of ghost... |
| 16:21.37 | valdyn | Kog: what is in your /dev/snd/ |
| 16:21.41 | CosmoDad | echogen: yes but you might need to modify some thing |
| 16:21.49 | echogen | directhex and leumaS : i am running a kernel with some features |
| 16:21.57 | leumaS | echogen: I have done that many times |
| 16:22.16 | directhex | echogen, 'some features'? could you be more vague please, perhaps 'i am using a computer with stuff'? |
| 16:22.18 | Kog | controlc0, pcmc0d0c, pcmc1d0c,pcmc1d1c,timer,controlc1,pcmc0d1c,pcmc1d0p,pcmc1d1p |
| 16:22.36 | Kog | paulswm, looks like sunday has officially started neh? |
| 16:23.22 | gcbirzan | Hm. |
| 16:23.32 | echogen | lol i mean usb and scsi and alsa without framebuffer |
| 16:23.35 | paulswm | Kog: Yup, don't say you weren't warned! :D |
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| 16:23.47 | gcbirzan | bazan: Reinstalling libgtk2.0-0 fixed it. |
| 16:23.54 | Kog | yes, I was definately warned |
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| 16:24.10 | russruss | ahh I think at this point it's a problem with my apt-get and not with my mirror... it'll hang on "0% [connecting to my.mirror]" |
| 16:24.15 | leumaS | echogen: a 2.6 kernel should have all that I think... |
| 16:24.21 | russruss | it was working last night |
| 16:24.22 | paulswm | Kog:Like a motor accident though, you know you shouldn't look but you can't help it |
| 16:24.26 | fabietto | When I try to compile the ndiswrapper, i get this error message: "Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/build; give the path to kernel sources with KSRC=<path> argument to make; make: *** [prereq_check] Error 1" |
| 16:24.48 | directhex | fabietto, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 16:24.50 | Kog | paulswm, when I was in high school we were next to a major CA highway |
| 16:24.52 | valdyn | Kog: aplay -l lists what? ( in flood if its many lines ) |
| 16:25.00 | G400 | fabietto - - added-modules foo bar |
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| 16:25.03 | Kog | paulswm, one day a car flipped outo f the highway and burst into flames |
| 16:25.35 | cahoot | valdyn: better check /proc/asound |
| 16:25.35 | G400 | sorry patches |
| 16:25.39 | fabietto | directhex: Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
| 16:25.43 | Kog | valdyn, ok, it's in flood |
| 16:25.57 | directhex | fabietto, where did your kernel-source-2.4.27 come from? |
| 16:26.00 | echogen | leumaS: i tried to compile the 2.6 kernel manytimes, it compiled fine, but never run well on my debian |
| 16:26.20 | Kog | echogen, I'm using 2.6 right now |
| 16:26.21 | directhex | echogen, why the hell are you compiling it at all? which version of debian? for the love of god BE SPECIFIC |
| 16:26.31 | Kog | (go sarge go.) |
| 16:26.39 | fabietto | directhex: i downloaded the with apt-get and then unpacked |
| 16:26.56 | echogen | woody |
| 16:27.03 | directhex | echogen, you can't use woody on amd64 |
| 16:27.14 | echogen | ouch |
| 16:27.16 | leumaS | echogen: well I did to but now it runs fine... and you don't have to compile it if you don't want to... installing it with apt-get is fine... that is the way I'm running it right now... but I'm running Sarge |
| 16:27.24 | directhex | echogen, woody has no support for harwdare made after january 2002. |
| 16:27.33 | directhex | echogen, run sarge. to be honest, just install fresh. |
| 16:27.44 | directhex | echogen, and woody can't use 2.6 kernels |
| 16:27.46 | echogen | sarge is unstable ? |
| 16:27.51 | asg | echogen: testing |
| 16:27.52 | directhex | echogen, no, that would be sid |
| 16:27.59 | echogen | hmm |
| 16:28.15 | echogen | are there iso images for it ? or i have to upgrade via apt ? |
| 16:28.22 | directhex | echogen, read the /topivc |
| 16:28.22 | asg | echogen: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 16:28.23 | Kog | there are ISOs for Sarge |
| 16:28.25 | leumaS | echogen: sarge is close to be stable... parts of it are froozen |
| 16:28.25 | directhex | *topic |
| 16:28.32 | G400 | fabietto: make-kpkg - - added-patches /path/to/patch |
| 16:28.37 | valdyn | Kog: "aplay -D hw:0,3 some.wav", that ought to work |
| 16:28.52 | echogen | thanks alot guys , i hope i am not bothering you with my silly questions |
| 16:28.56 | G400 | fabietto: make-kpkg - - added-modules /path/to/module WTF? |
| 16:28.57 | Kog | kogashugo@Dart:/usr/share/sounds$ aplay -D hw:0,3 email.wav |
| 16:28.57 | Kog | aplay: main:508: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 16:28.58 | leumaS | echogen: network install is the prefered way of installing anyway unless you are on a modem |
| 16:28.59 | fabietto | G400: what is this command? |
| 16:29.16 | directhex | echogen, silly questions is one thing. questiosn where you give NO detail and are NOT SPECIFIC annoy me GREATLY |
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| 16:29.46 | G400 | fabietto: you have to tell make-kpkg where to find the source for any modules not in the canonical location - where is your source? |
| 16:30.01 | echogen | i will try to be more specific in my next questions :> |
| 16:30.12 | HansKaiser | G400: yes i have the same modules loaded as under suse (ohci and ehci) but under debian, i only get 12MBit and under suse i get the whole 480MBit |
| 16:30.17 | simonrvn | there is no canonical location fo kernel sources |
| 16:30.43 | fabietto | g400: the source is located at /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper |
| 16:30.54 | valdyn | Kog: try replacing that 3 with 0 |
| 16:31.07 | echogen | i better start dowloading sarge |
| 16:31.12 | Kog | same deal |
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| 16:31.19 | Kog | (and same with 2) |
| 16:31.28 | directhex | echogen, you need CD1, not CD1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 |
| 16:31.35 | valdyn | Kog: i believe your /dev is fucked, but alsa is loaded fine, when did you reboot last time? |
| 16:31.38 | leumaS | echogen: do you have a fast network connection? |
| 16:31.38 | Kog | but 1,0 worked |
| 16:31.41 | echogen | yeah CD1 is enough |
| 16:31.43 | Kog | valdyn, this is a fresh install |
| 16:31.52 | valdyn | Kog: so you didnt reboot |
| 16:31.54 | leumaS | echogen: exactly |
| 16:32.00 | Kog | valdyn, 1,0 worked |
| 16:32.12 | echogen | leumaS : 7.5 KBytes / sec |
| 16:32.15 | valdyn | Kog: try rebooting either way |
| 16:32.15 | Kog | I had the same problems before I reinstalled (for non-sound related reasons) |
| 16:32.21 | Kog | ok |
| 16:32.21 | directhex | Kog, what does lsmod | grep soundcore say? |
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| 16:32.35 | Kog | soundcore 9824 5 snd,bttv |
| 16:32.37 | valdyn | Kog: your aplay -l does not make sense to me |
| 16:32.46 | Kog | valdyn, nor to me |
| 16:32.48 | echogen | I work in an intense audio authoring system, i hope the AMD won't disapoint me |
| 16:33.01 | cahoot | Kog: two cards in /proc/asound/cards now? |
| 16:33.05 | Kog | echogen, AMD chips are just fine... and they're both x86 |
| 16:33.10 | Kog | cahoot, lemme look |
| 16:33.12 | valdyn | Kog: oh but it is correct ( i have the same hardware ) |
| 16:33.27 | Kog | cahoot, holy shit dude... the v8235 is there now |
| 16:33.35 | Kog | cahoot, maybe the reinstall was good for something after all |
| 16:33.35 | echogen | kog : that's good then |
| 16:33.59 | cahoot | Kog: bt.. first and via second? |
| 16:34.21 | valdyn | Kog: now if aplayer -D hw:1,1 works too then your devices 0 and 1 are exchanged |
| 16:34.23 | Kog | cahoot, it appears that dsp0 is bt and dsp1 is via |
| 16:34.28 | valdyn | Kog: now if aplay -D hw:1,1 works too then your devices 0 and 1 are exchanged |
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| 16:34.34 | Kog | valdyn, yeah |
| 16:34.47 | Kog | 1,1 works |
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| 16:35.02 | Kog | how do I (and should I ) swap them |
| 16:35.04 | valdyn | Kog: you didnt reboot, you had oss drivers loaded first, that tends to fuck up stuff, if thats true |
| 16:35.07 | Kog | I don't care to watch TV under nix |
| 16:35.11 | directhex | Kog, join #flood |
| 16:35.12 | Kog | ok, lemme reboot then |
| 16:35.15 | G400 | fabietto: oh, well that seems like the usual (if not canonical) place |
| 16:35.17 | Kog | directhex, I am in flood |
| 16:35.17 | cahoot | Kog: create an .asoundrc and make card1 (i e via) default |
| 16:35.26 | tyia | can I automagically remove the kernel that comes with base-install when I build and install my own kernel? |
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| 16:35.30 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
| 16:35.33 | Kog | cahoot, ok, that makes sense... lemme reboot right quick |
| 16:35.35 | tyia | I can't find it in package list |
| 16:35.41 | Kog | valdyn, I'm on alsa's home |
| 16:36.05 | fabietto | g400: i think yes... was aptitude to place the source in that path... but i can't compile them.. .:( |
| 16:36.06 | directhex | actually, no. |
| 16:36.14 | directhex | Kog, look for 'bindings' on the alsa page |
| 16:36.22 | HansKaiser | okay, in the meanwhile, very frustrated.... really no help on debian sarge with usb2.0 with a pcmcia card? |
| 16:36.40 | Kog | valdyn, although it's odd that they would both be looking like via in the aplay -l |
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| 16:36.56 | Kog | yeah... I'll just read their docs |
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| 16:37.05 | Kog | paulswm, reinstall cha cha cha! |
| 16:37.26 | dacer | Is there any specific irc for "HP" inkjet in debian? |
| 16:37.37 | Kog | alright rebooting |
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| 16:39.17 | russruss | apt-get really doesn't want to connect to a server. apt-get update hangs on "0% [Connecting to my.mirror]" |
| 16:39.56 | valdyn | russruss: ping my.mirror works? |
| 16:39.58 | IRC_noobee | dacer: probably not. That would seem too specific. |
| 16:40.07 | fabietto | g400: don't you know where the problem can be? :( |
| 16:40.07 | russruss | valdyn: yessir |
| 16:40.08 | mwilson | valdyn: Of course not. |
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| 16:41.15 | dacer | thanks IRC_noobee |
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| 16:41.21 | IRC_noobee | russruss: Tried connecting with lynx or any other browser? (I assume you are apt-get'ing over http or ftp) |
| 16:41.25 | dacer | I was searching it for a long time!!! |
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| 16:41.33 | russruss | valdyn: any ideas? |
| 16:41.44 | IRC_noobee | dacer: I was just guessing. What is your problem, then? |
| 16:41.44 | Kog | valdyn, still backwards... gonna write an rc file and stick it in my ~/ |
| 16:42.10 | dacer | I install hplip for my hp1315, same as for SUSE 9.1 |
| 16:42.20 | bactis | is it possible to remove a kernel-image with apt-get remove? |
| 16:42.28 | dacer | hp toolbox detect devices scan but no print |
| 16:42.50 | WiFiTux | bactis, probably |
| 16:43.04 | beardy | bactis: should be, make sure you know what you're doing though |
| 16:43.06 | echogen | wow good, now i can't seem to find iso images for sarge :( |
| 16:43.28 | dacer | umm |
| 16:43.32 | dacer | seem solved |
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| 16:43.38 | valdyn | echogen: you need complete iso images? why? |
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| 16:43.49 | dacer | I have try it now |
| 16:43.50 | dacer | http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2960078 |
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| 16:44.17 | bolero | how can i connect to #Asterisk channel?? |
| 16:44.35 | Kog | probably with a /join |
| 16:44.55 | echogen | valdyn: because i can't use the other ways |
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| 16:45.19 | IRC_noobee | dacer: Thanks for reporting back with your solution. |
| 16:45.22 | dacer | thanks anyway IRC_noobee |
| 16:45.35 | adjacent | bolero: /msg nickserv help |
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| 16:45.56 | russruss | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.57 | cahoot | Kog: you could try load the card modules in reverse order ie via.. first and bt.. second to get alsa's ordering of your cards as you want them |
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| 16:46.07 | Kog | cahoot, why do that over an rc file? |
| 16:46.22 | valdyn | echogen: theres a link on www.debian.org, named "CD-ISO-Images" |
| 16:46.29 | C5Hardtop | how can I tell what network card i have without taking out the pci card and looking? i tried using "Network Tools" but it just says that I have an ethernet interface (eth0) |
| 16:46.46 | cahoot | Kog: no, where your module loading is listed |
| 16:46.52 | echogen | valdyn : i went there, but i only found iso's for woody |
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| 16:47.06 | fabietto | uhm... when i try to launch "make modules" from /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27, the shell say me: "Warning, /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/build seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!" |
| 16:47.09 | IRC_noobee | C5Hardtop: lspci |
| 16:47.14 | beardy | C5Hardtop: "lspci -vv | less" |
| 16:47.22 | C5Hardtop | thanks! |
| 16:47.24 | bolero | REGISTER bolero |
| 16:47.26 | cahoot | Kog: err . never mind |
| 16:47.31 | ericb_ | anyone heared about the guy that cracked sha-1 ? |
| 16:47.32 | mwilson | fabietto: And you don't configure it because...? |
| 16:47.37 | G400 | fabietto: google for symlink build /lib/modules "uname -r" |
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| 16:48.01 | fabietto | nwilson: i discovered this issue now |
| 16:48.06 | valdyn | echogen: click on the link - click on "Complete CD-Images.." scroll down |
| 16:48.13 | mwilson | Anybody heard about the ACTUAL facts about SHA-1, which is merely that the collision domain is much smaller than previously thought? |
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| 16:48.30 | valdyn | echogen: then tell us why this was hard to find ;) |
| 16:48.41 | mwilson | Such that now you can brute-force it in a reasonable length of time? |
| 16:48.46 | Kog | valdyn, ok... so a aplay -D default email.wav worked just fine |
| 16:48.52 | valdyn | mwilson: slashdot.org |
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| 16:49.06 | fabietto | G400: i already made the "build" symlink in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 16:49.07 | mwilson | valdyn: Thank you, no, I've just eaten. |
| 16:49.14 | Kog | mwilson, I know that MD5 is a lot more vunerable than first thought |
| 16:49.16 | valdyn | Kog: should not be any need to provide -D default for default |
| 16:49.25 | fabietto | G400: it point to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 16:49.27 | Kog | valdyn, that's just what the alsa-project site said |
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| 16:49.44 | Kog | valdyn, works without the switch too |
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| 16:49.48 | fabietto | G400: with uname -r i get "2.4.27-2-k7" |
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| 16:50.03 | echogen | valdyn : oh thanks man ... stupid me, this lynx page was too long to scroll it all :) |
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| 16:50.27 | Kog | so aplay now works, but my sound playing apps still don't |
| 16:50.35 | G400 | fabietto: yes, but it looks like you are using a precompiled kernel and are trying to use kernel sources that nobody has yet compiled |
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| 16:50.38 | valdyn | Kog: which apps |
| 16:50.39 | teprrr | good evening.. can anyone point to to where ssh-agent is started automatically by X server? I've commented out use ssh-agent line from Xsession.options, but it seems to be started still |
| 16:50.54 | teprrr | and still I need to write the passphrase, so it doesn't seem to work |
| 16:50.57 | Kog | "music player" |
| 16:51.01 | valdyn | Kog: many have their own fucked up ways to choose where to send sound, instead of using the default device |
| 16:51.03 | goron | I have a new mouse, the Logitech MX310. I connected it via the usb port. I want to know what device that is, so I can cat it. |
| 16:51.05 | Kog | I'm gonna try XMMS w/ ALSA setting |
| 16:51.07 | fabietto | G400: yes... aptitude doesn't compile the kernel when i download it, right? |
| 16:51.15 | G400 | G400: correct |
| 16:51.20 | teprrr | goron, dmesg and check if the kernel recognized it |
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| 16:51.27 | valdyn | Kog: try gstreamer-properties |
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| 16:51.29 | G400 | fabietto :correct ; |
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| 16:51.49 | Kog | sweet, xmms works |
| 16:51.54 | fabietto | G400: ok, so i should compile the kernel and then re-try to install the module... |
| 16:52.04 | echogen | valdyn : i want to download an iso for amd4000, what archicheture shall i use ? |
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| 16:52.12 | goron | teprrr: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c01b Logitech, Inc. MX310 Optical Mouse |
| 16:52.33 | goron | teprrr: So it's /dev/usb/mouse2? |
| 16:52.38 | teprrr | goron, okay, /dev/input/mouseX could be the device |
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| 16:52.43 | valdyn | echogen: that cpu does not exist, do you mean athlonxp 4000+ ? in any case, i386 |
| 16:52.59 | teprrr | goron, and I think /dev/input/mice would be the symlink or something to this |
| 16:53.12 | echogen | yeah think so |
| 16:53.15 | Kog | valdyn, ok... got gstreamer-properties open |
| 16:53.23 | robinswan | close |
| 16:53.24 | WiFiTux | someone here has installed xebian in the xbox? someone? :) |
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| 16:53.29 | Kog | valdyn, I assume I should change OSS->ALSA? |
| 16:53.30 | G400 | fabietto: yes. As ordinary user, make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --append-to-version ".20050220" --revision "fab.0" --initrd --added-patches foo kernel_image modules_image |
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| 16:53.39 | valdyn | Kog: yea |
| 16:53.54 | goron | teprrr: Well, it doesn't respond, possibly because I have my other mouse still connected. |
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| 16:53.58 | Kog | ok... test came through |
| 16:54.19 | teprrr | goron, hmm, mice or mouseX? |
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| 16:54.33 | leumaS | echogen: after you have installed the basic debian you can upgrade your kernel to one optimized for the Athlon one with -k7 at the end of it. ;-) |
| 16:54.39 | G400 | fabietto: but make xconfig first and select your preferred configuration - this can be a minefield |
| 16:54.39 | Kog | and now Music player works |
| 16:54.43 | valdyn | Kog: alsa supports your hardware mixer, oss does not i think, so wherever possible you do not want to use the oss emulation layer |
| 16:54.56 | goron | teprrr: mice gives no output, but no error. mouseX says it does not exists. I did not change acces rights. |
| 16:54.57 | Kog | valdyn, anywhere else I should set OSS->ALSA? |
| 16:55.04 | echogen | thanks leumaS |
| 16:55.16 | Kog | let me rephrase - s/should/can |
| 16:55.18 | echogen | tommorow i will buy that amd system |
| 16:55.22 | demonsdread | hi. i'm a new debian user and trying to mount my two cdroms. first one is /dev/hdd or /dev/cdrom but cant find the second one |
| 16:55.24 | fabietto | G400: i'm trying to use the method explained at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html ... i would like to know what i'm doing... do you think this process could be correct? |
| 16:55.29 | teprrr | goron, you replaced X with a number? |
| 16:55.29 | Kog | echogen, get a nice cooling system |
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| 16:55.37 | goron | teprrr: Yes :) |
| 16:55.44 | Kog | echogen, I hear 4000 range CPU (intel/AMD) have severe heating issues |
| 16:55.48 | valdyn | Kog: that depends on what you use |
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| 16:55.57 | Kog | echogen, although the die seems capable of handling 130c with no difficulty |
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| 16:56.05 | teprrr | goron, hmm. strange :P |
| 16:56.07 | Kog | echogen, or maybe that was just the AMD64 line |
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| 16:56.20 | Kog | valdyn, I don't even have my FAT32 w/ my mp3s mounted yet ;) |
| 16:56.25 | echogen | let's see ... i have now a pII 333 Mhz .. that's the fastest CPU i ever used :( |
| 16:56.25 | Kog | valdyn, that's next. |
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| 16:56.39 | Kog | echogen, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said |
| 16:56.46 | Kog | echogen, but ok. |
| 16:56.50 | valdyn | Kog: nothing, youre done, till you find an application thats still not using alsa |
| 16:57.07 | Kog | valdyn, and I assume those apps will have a stream chooser if they're not piles of junk |
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| 16:57.09 | valdyn | Kog: in any case, dont activate gnome sound ( esd ) |
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| 16:57.32 | echogen | Kog: i mean i don't have any idea if i can install additional fans |
| 16:57.32 | echogen | can i ? |
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| 16:57.45 | beardy | demonsdread: "dmesg | grep hd" |
| 16:57.47 | ce | can anyone recommend a laptop brand/model that runs fine with debian, with acpi support so i can suspend-to-ram |
| 16:58.02 | Kog | valdyn, "enable soudn server at startup" is what you're talking about yeah? |
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| 16:58.12 | valdyn | Kog: yes, dont do it |
| 16:58.16 | demonsdread | tnx beardy |
| 16:58.19 | Kog | ok, it will remain unchecked |
| 16:58.20 | G400 | fabietto: absolutely but as I say, the make menuconfig or make xconfig will require a certain amount of thought, depending on your hardware |
| 16:58.27 | valdyn | Kog: no one needs sound effects when doing a mouse click or resizing windows anyway |
| 16:58.44 | Kog | valdyn, yeah, but I like my GAIM/IRC to chime on some events |
| 16:58.51 | Kog | unless that has nothing to do with what you're talking about |
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| 16:59.07 | Kog | I'm obviously not familiar with the X11 way of doing sound stuff ;) |
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| 16:59.19 | valdyn | Kog: you can select alsa in gaim |
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| 16:59.36 | Kog | yeah, but I don't need to use the Gnome sound stuff I just killed for that |
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| 16:59.48 | leumaS | echogen: are you buying a finnished system from a store or a custom built one? |
| 16:59.49 | valdyn | Kog: just use Command and put there "aplay %s" |
| 16:59.54 | Kog | ahhhh |
| 17:00.09 | goron | Does anybody else have an idea of how I can get some output from my Logitech MX310? |
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| 17:00.21 | ChubStudy | hello ! morning/afternoon/evening |
| 17:00.28 | fabietto | G400: yes, i saw... menuconfig requires Ncurses... so i can make a cut&paste from your previous message? |
| 17:00.59 | Kog | valdyn, awesome |
| 17:01.22 | ChubStudy | I have a question when I run Testdisk it tells me " Partition Sector dosen't have the endmark 0xaa55 run "MBR code" in testDisk to correct it, if I do that can I render my disk useless ? |
| 17:01.29 | Kog | now to mount my fat32 and setup java... |
| 17:01.31 | valdyn | Kog: no idea what else you use, theres a few more independent apps / sound frameworks |
| 17:01.36 | relex | goron, what do you mean 'more' output? |
| 17:01.43 | Kog | valdyn, I'll fix that as needed |
| 17:01.51 | relex | or |
| 17:01.51 | relex | 'some |
| 17:01.52 | Kog | valdyn, mainly I'm concerned w/ mp3s ;) |
| 17:02.51 | G400 | fabietto: remove --added-patches foo unless you actually have used apt-get to obtain any kernel patches. The point about menuconfig is not that you need ncurses but that you need to answer a lot of questions that you will not know the answer to - generally a reasonable default is recommended but you may have hardware that needs specific kinds of kernel support. |
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| 17:03.09 | goron | relex: I mean some output. Now, I don't get any output. |
| 17:03.28 | relex | goron, usb or ps2 |
| 17:03.32 | goron | relex: usb |
| 17:04.10 | relex | can you paste the section from your xconfig file into #flood |
| 17:04.19 | fabietto | G400: make-kpg: command not found |
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| 17:04.27 | fabietto | G400: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 17:04.40 | goron | relex: catting a device file is not dependent of x, or it it? |
| 17:04.48 | G400 | fabietto: apt-get make-kpkg |
| 17:05.02 | relex | it isn't. |
| 17:05.06 | goron | it it->is it. |
| 17:05.11 | relex | what device are you using |
| 17:05.33 | goron | relex: I tried /dev/usb/mouseX with X 0-4 |
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| 17:05.39 | fabietto | G400: E: not valid operation make-kpkg |
| 17:05.45 | relex | try /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux |
| 17:05.46 | goron | relex: And /dev/input/mice |
| 17:06.14 | goron | relex: Both don't work. |
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| 17:06.57 | relex | /dev/usb/mouse[0-?] ? |
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| 17:07.17 | goron | relex: I tried /dev/usb/mouseX with X 0-4 |
| 17:07.31 | ChubStudy | I have a question when I run Testdisk it tells me " Partition Sector dosen't have the endmark 0xaa55 run "MBR code" in testDisk to correct it, if I do that can I render my disk useless ? |
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| 17:07.49 | relex | does lsusb show your mouse |
| 17:08.18 | G400 | fabietto: install make-kpkg by whatever means you have previously used to install debian packages |
| 17:08.49 | fabietto | G400: i also tried through aptitude, but the make-kpkg package seems not exist... |
| 17:08.53 | timo | G400, kernel-package, rather |
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| 17:09.09 | G400 | timo:oops, thanks |
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| 17:09.37 | cDNA | anyone know where gtk is installed and how i can display the current version? |
| 17:09.54 | cDNA | gaim says my version is too low but i know it isn't cause i just upgraded |
| 17:10.08 | fabietto | timo: thanks :-) |
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| 17:11.46 | valdyn | ChubStudy: what do you mean "useless" ? |
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| 17:12.09 | ChubStudy | valdyn I mean just destroy the disk |
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| 17:12.32 | valdyn | ChubStudy: hardly, at most you can loose the data on it |
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| 17:12.52 | ChubStudy | that's the thing I can't afford to loose the data on it |
| 17:13.12 | ChubStudy | I'm afraid that if I let it write the 0xAA55 I'll loose data |
| 17:13.25 | valdyn | ChubStudy: i dont know testdisk so i dont know if you can trust it, but writing _anything_ on the mbr wont destroy the data on it. |
| 17:13.35 | valdyn | ChubStudy: i dont know testdisk so i dont know if you can trust it, but writing _anything_ on the mbr wont destroy the data on the disk. |
| 17:13.38 | Kog | I just grabbed the self-extracting bin of Java from sun.. would it have been better to use apt-get on java-base? |
| 17:13.53 | ChubStudy | but it can render the disk bootless right ? |
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| 17:14.03 | valdyn | Kog: no, /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 17:14.28 | jan_ | whats the best way to have a second (backup) SSHD (not let the original one listen on 2 ports!!) |
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| 17:14.58 | valdyn | ChubStudy: yea |
| 17:14.58 | Kog | valdyn, I did and it wasn't particularly helpful |
| 17:15.08 | fabietto | G400: ok, i launched make.pkpg etc... "The contained UTS_version string 2.4.27 does not match expectations: 2.4.27.20050220"... should i abort? |
| 17:15.11 | ChubStudy | okey thx valdyn |
| 17:15.43 | valdyn | Kog: java-package contains a tool called "make-kpkg" that tool is used to create a deb out of a .bin downloaded from sun, you can dpkg -i that .deb |
| 17:15.55 | valdyn | Kog: err, tools name is make-jpkg |
| 17:16.00 | paulswm | Kog: I got Sun's Java too, the shar like you did, works fine for me |
| 17:16.14 | Kog | so apt-get the make-jpkg and call that on the .bin file? |
| 17:16.27 | Kog | god sun is getting annoying these days |
| 17:17.08 | CosmoDad | Kog: you can also use blackdown's java which is available via a non-official apt-get archive |
| 17:17.20 | valdyn | Kog: apt-get instal java-package , make-jpkg sunblah.bin |
| 17:17.22 | Kog | CosmoDad, I was thinking about it |
| 17:17.45 | Kog | valdyn, tried that and says no such package... do I need to add a different server to my list? |
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| 17:18.06 | CosmoDad | Kog, dpkg says that "blackdown kicks ass", maye that will convince you finally :) |
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| 17:18.16 | valdyn | !info java-package sarge |
| 17:18.18 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 17:18.23 | Kog | CosmoDad, I run Blackdown on my Gentoo and my FreeBSD box |
| 17:18.43 | valdyn | Kog: you may have to add contrib to your /etc/apt/sources.list line |
| 17:19.11 | CosmoDad | Kog: so if you're comfortable with it, don't like using make-jpkg and can live with not using Sun's "original" java, might wanna give it a try |
| 17:19.13 | Kog | CosmoDad, and I've never seen any problems with it - althought one might either be a blackdown or a java problem with floats |
| 17:19.13 | Kog | valdyn, gotcha |
| 17:19.13 | Kog | CosmoDad, or, more likely, the famous hardware problem |
| 17:19.37 | Kog | CosmoDad, I can't make-jpkg will take that long and I already have the bin |
| 17:19.49 | Kog | CosmoDad, it seems almost worth it just to strike a blow for ESR ;) |
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| 17:20.03 | CosmoDad | Kog: ESR? |
| 17:20.18 | Kog | CosmoDad, Eric S Raymond wrote a diatribe called "Let java go" |
| 17:20.26 | CosmoDad | Kog: ah ok :) |
| 17:21.47 | CosmoDad | dpkg (bot) is one of a hell of debian help, can't someone teach him to list all of the help words he knows? |
| 17:21.48 | dpkg | okay, CosmoDad |
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| 17:22.03 | CosmoDad | see, it agrees |
| 17:22.04 | Kog | CosmoDad, he's done a lot more than that... but his one letter seemed relevent ;) |
| 17:22.09 | drasko | heelo |
| 17:22.27 | valdyn | dpkg, forget (bot) |
| 17:22.27 | dpkg | i forgot (bot), valdyn |
| 17:22.41 | Kog | oh, java-package has some serious dependencies |
| 17:22.47 | nvz | gnome is such a bitch :P my uncle was bitching about problems with gnome-session opening up things 6x each when he loggs in, so I build him an Xsession to start sawfish, nautilus -n, xscreensaver --no-splash, gnome-settings-daemon, wnck-applet, and gnome-panel... well now his workspace switcher applet refueses to load :P I do a simalar setup on my box, and I get the workspace switcher to work without wnck-applet in .xsession, but the window list doesnt work. h |
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| 17:23.08 | valdyn | !depends java-package |
| 17:23.10 | dpkg | java-package: depends on debhelper, fakeroot, coreutils | stat |
| 17:23.28 | valdyn | Kog: that doesnt look serious |
| 17:23.30 | Kog | valdyn, some of those have dependencies too |
| 17:23.44 | G400 | fabietto: try (from /usr/src) as ordinary user (and member of staff group) ln -s kernel-source-2.4.27 linix |
| 17:23.59 | fabietto | G400: i already do this |
| 17:23.59 | G400 | fabietto : read linux not linix |
| 17:24.15 | marcel | nvz, i thought startup programs in gnome where set in gnome when you do close down gnome and save current workspace settings |
| 17:24.28 | nvz | marcel: yeah thats gnome-session's job |
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| 17:24.48 | nvz | marcel: I am using a shell script now (~/.xsession) in place of gnome-session |
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| 17:25.00 | nvz | marcel: gnome-session is a pain in the ass |
| 17:25.00 | marcel | nvz, why? |
| 17:25.21 | nvz | marcel: it doesnt work properly, makes things start up in large multiples |
| 17:25.27 | nvz | marcel: even when nothing should start up |
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| 17:25.47 | marcel | nvz, is it a bug in gnome? did you search in gnome bug entries? |
| 17:25.47 | Coax | does enyone know of a smtp+pop3 daemon where a user does'nt reflect linux users on the given server?! |
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| 17:26.36 | G400 | fabietto: are you quoting the append-to-version bit ".20050220" |
| 17:26.43 | nvz | marcel: f.e. if you load tuxeyes -luxus, gnome-session manager will change it to tuxeyes -session lhe51892h5el234y54352..etc then when you login again gnome-session will start tuxeyes -luxus and tuxeyes -session lhe51892h5el234y54352. its annoying |
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| 17:26.58 | fabietto | G400: you're right! i didn't tried before, but i can now compile the ndiswrapper! |
| 17:27.05 | nvz | marcel: it hasnt come close to even functioning let alone functioning properly since gnome 1.4 |
| 17:27.08 | Kog | valdyn, yeah... it took care of the dependencies pretty quickly |
| 17:27.16 | Kog | valdyn, thank god I'm not on redhat... |
| 17:27.16 | marcel | nvz, add a bug report to gnome then |
| 17:27.28 | nvz | marcel: I dont even know where to begin |
| 17:27.42 | G400 | fabietto: Phew! What a saga... |
| 17:27.46 | nvz | marcel: there are so many problems with gnome I dont know where one starts and the other begins |
| 17:27.46 | marcel | nvz, filing bug reports should not be that difficult |
| 17:28.04 | JediMaster | got some problems upgrading from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 on a dell machine, can anyone give me a hand? I think it's due to the PERC4 SCSI/RAID controller |
| 17:28.15 | Kog | CosmoDad, setting up java that way wasn't as painful as it looked... I'll be damned |
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| 17:28.38 | p30n | how do i rename a directory ? lol |
| 17:28.43 | Kog | mv |
| 17:28.47 | p30n | duh |
| 17:28.48 | p30n | thx |
| 17:29.00 | fabietto | G400: can i show you the "make" output i found? |
| 17:29.17 | pearl | fabietto: go with him to #flood and paste it there |
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| 17:29.32 | fabietto | pearl: thanks |
| 17:29.40 | valdyn | Kog: now I understand why you could consider those deps "serious" |
| 17:29.52 | G400 | fabietto: how many thousand lines? |
| 17:30.04 | nvz | marcel: I am pretty happy just not using gnome-session, cause then I can configure my session exactly the way I want it. like its supposed to. Gnome people would ignore my bug reports which would say there are a few bugs in gnome and it would be a long list including gnome-session, metacity..etc and that they should all be removed |
| 17:30.22 | mwilson | marcel: But not constructive, as what is usually wrong with Gnome are design decisions, not actual bugs. |
| 17:30.25 | fabietto | G400: not too much... more or less 10 |
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| 17:30.32 | Kog | valdyn, actually I usually run FBSD or Gentoo |
| 17:30.39 | MrKrystal | hi. I read this on linspire site : "Nvu is available for download for a variety of Linux distributions including Linspire 4.5,[...] Debian Linux (sid)". I looked for NVU but didn't found it on debian . Where is it ? |
| 17:30.45 | G400 | fabietto: tell me how this chat business works - I got some "offer" |
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| 17:30.46 | paulswm | Kog: I read the letter, the extracts of Sun's response, and his follow up, very good, thanks for sharing |
| 17:30.48 | Kog | valdyn, but the hype for FBSD/Gentoo claim that they're unique for package dependency solving |
| 17:30.55 | Kog | paulswm, np |
| 17:31.01 | marcel | mwilson, a bug can also be an enhancement request |
| 17:31.15 | fabietto | G400: i don't exactly know how this chat works... :-/ |
| 17:31.17 | mwilson | marcel: Hardly. |
| 17:31.18 | Kog | paulswm, oddly enough no one takes ESR serious - except software engineers praise "the cathedral and the bazaar" |
| 17:31.22 | nvz | I just recently figured out the gnome-settings-daemon is all I need to get the gtk2 engines themes working with nautilus, gnome panel, and sawfish.. |
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| 17:31.24 | directhex | MrKrystal, http://www.nvu.com/download/linux/0.70/Debian/nvu_0.70-1_i386.deb |
| 17:31.33 | tbbw | hello i got a X problem |
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| 17:31.39 | marcel | mwilson, did you work with bugzilla before? |
| 17:31.41 | Kog | paulswm, some of the open source community still pay him respect though |
| 17:31.44 | fabietto | cc -DNDISWRAPPER_VERSION=\"1.0rc2\" -DEXTRA_VERSION=\"\" -DLINUX -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -I/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/build/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -c -o hal.o hal.c |
| 17:31.44 | fabietto | cc -DNDISWRAPPER_VERSION=\"1.0rc2\" -DEXTRA_VERSION=\"\" -DLINUX -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -I/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/build/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -c -o iw_ndis.o iw_ndis.c |
| 17:31.44 | tbbw | my problem is with the nvidia driver |
| 17:31.45 | fabietto | cc -DNDISWRAPPER_VERSION=\"1.0rc2\" -DEXTRA_VERSION=\"\" -DLINUX -D__KERNEL__ -DMODULE -I/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k7/build/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -O2 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -c -o loader.o loader.c |
| 17:31.51 | fabietto | loader.c: In function `unload_ndis_driver': |
| 17:31.53 | fabietto | loader.c:538: warning: implicit declaration of function `preempt_get_count' |
| 17:31.55 | fabietto | loader.c:538: error: `PREEMPT_ACTIVE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:31.55 | marcel | jezus |
| 17:31.56 | fabietto | loader.c:538: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 17:31.58 | fabietto | loader.c:538: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 17:32.01 | fabietto | loader.c: In function `add_driver': |
| 17:32.01 | paulswm | Kog: I thought that he made excellent points, and I thought the Sun response was boorish and arrogant. |
| 17:32.03 | fabietto | loader.c:726: error: `PREEMPT_ACTIVE' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:32.05 | fabietto | make: *** [loader.o] Error 1 |
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| 17:32.07 | tbbw | it starts with vesa driver but not with nvidia driver |
| 17:32.11 | mwilson | marcel: What does the particular tracking tool have to do with anything? A bug is a bug, an enhancement request is an enhancement request. |
| 17:32.17 | MrKrystal | directhex: it seems that last version of NVU is : 0.81 ( http://www.nvu.com/download.html) Is there a debian package for this version ? |
| 17:32.18 | fabietto | sorry!!! i believed it was all a private msg... :-/ |
| 17:32.20 | directhex | tbbw, which nvidia card, which debian version? |
| 17:32.25 | tbbw | it says no screens found and i did exactly as the manual told me to |
| 17:32.26 | Kog | fabietto, for the love of god use #flood |
| 17:32.29 | mwilson | nvz: You're actually using g-s-d on PURPOSE? Get help, man! |
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| 17:32.36 | tbbw | im using Gf2 on a sage version |
| 17:32.37 | marcel | mwilson, please, a bug can be an enhancement request, i use bugzilla for work, i know, do you know? |
| 17:32.42 | paulswm | !beat fabietto |
| 17:32.47 | tbbw | Gf2 Mx400 |
| 17:32.52 | Kog | paulswm, you should read The Cathedral and the Bazaar sometime |
| 17:32.57 | fabietto | sorry, sorry, sorry!!! i used the /msg directive... |
| 17:33.00 | Kog | paulswm, it's some seminal reading |
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| 17:33.10 | mwilson | marcel: And again, I point out that the particular tracking system you use is entirely irrelevant to the definition. |
| 17:33.10 | Kog | paulswm, same with the Mythical Man Month |
| 17:33.15 | nvz | mwilson: seems to be if you want nautilus to show anything more than paper pages for every single icon, you have to. :P |
| 17:33.22 | directhex | tbbw, nv or nvidia? |
| 17:33.36 | mwilson | nvz: Fortunately, I'm not so insane as to actually WANT to use nautilus. |
| 17:33.41 | paulswm | Kog: Thanks for the recommendation. I read the Mythical Man Month, gosh, must be a couple decades ago now :) |
| 17:33.51 | tbbw | directhex: nvidia ( the manual told me to use nvidia ) |
| 17:34.09 | directhex | tbbw, have you installed the closed source nvidia 3d driver? |
| 17:34.28 | tbbw | i used ther install script and it compiled it for me |
| 17:34.39 | nvz | mwilson: yeah. well I get more done when I have something like nautilus.. allows me to troubleshoot more quickly.. browsing samba shares..etc |
| 17:34.50 | Kog | paulswm, I would think you did being a programmer |
| 17:34.54 | nvz | mwilson: I can spare the extra 20mb of ram or whatever |
| 17:35.02 | tbbw | that fat 8.5Mb bash script file |
| 17:35.05 | mwilson | nvz: So you use the abortion that is g-vfs as well, huh? |
| 17:35.08 | directhex | tbbw, oh for fuck's sake. nvidia-installer?> you've made your own damn mess |
| 17:35.11 | Kog | paulswm, I'm finishing up my BS in Comp Sci and for software engineering we read a bunch of stuff from Djikstra to ESR |
| 17:35.18 | Ungy | anyone have any tips for me setting up a Quake3 server to run as a daemon and cron it? I can;t seem to find a good answer from google |
| 17:35.36 | Kog | paulswm, I was particularly interested with what happened with Steve Jackson games and either the EFF or EPIC (can't recall which... they both seem to blend) |
| 17:35.36 | tbbw | directhex: okey it comes with an uninstaller so what u recomend i do? |
| 17:35.46 | nvz | mwilson: heh, yeah until it aggrivates me or I switch my setup again. |
| 17:35.46 | Kog | paulswm, and how he sued the feds and won |
| 17:36.02 | directhex | tbbw, i suspect, if you read your xfree86 log, that modprobe nvidia would be a temporary fix, and echo nvidia >> /etc/modules a slightly more permanent fix. neither are PROPER solutions, as it'll breeak the second any x packages are updated |
| 17:36.27 | C5Hardtop | anyone here running gentoo? how hard was the install and how long did it take? |
| 17:36.28 | mwilson | nvz: So you're using the craptastic udev as well. Man, you need some serious drugs. |
| 17:36.42 | directhex | C5Hardtop, #gentoo ?# |
| 17:36.46 | mwilson | C5Hardtop: #gentoo |
| 17:36.51 | C5Hardtop | ok, thanks |
| 17:36.56 | Kog | why are you asking in a debian channel... |
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| 17:37.07 | C5Hardtop | cuz someone might have experience with it |
| 17:37.09 | Kog | C5Hardtop, that being said I run it if you want to PM me |
| 17:37.10 | Ungy | C5Hardtop you on crack? |
| 17:37.18 | mwilson | Kog: He's getting an early start on being a Gentoobie. |
| 17:37.19 | nvz | mwilson: I am getting my .xsession and sawfish configuration comfortable.. once its fully setup I can lose gnome-panel and nautilus and stuff.. the panels and nautilus make it more comfortable with less effort to setup or use.. once my matched windows and bindings are all right I should be able to use sawfish without all the extras |
| 17:37.20 | tbbw | directhex: well nvidia entry is in module.conf |
| 17:37.27 | Kog | mwilson, it's sunday I hear... |
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| 17:37.35 | tbbw | ill add it to modules to if its not already there |
| 17:37.37 | mwilson | tbbw: Amazingly enough, that's not what he told you, now is it? |
| 17:37.38 | paulswm | AAArrgh, Djikstra, the person who tried to destroy programming with the abysmal Pascal |
| 17:37.58 | Kog | valdyn, well many thanks on the help with the sound... when I tried it earlier for some reason my VIA wasn't in my devices... reinstall saved my bacon |
| 17:38.00 | mwilson | paulswm: Uh, Wirth invented Pascal, not Djikstra. |
| 17:38.10 | Kog | paulswm, Djikstra is a hell of a man and visionary |
| 17:38.20 | Kog | paulswm, next you're going to tell me Parnas can burn in hell? |
| 17:38.31 | nvz | mwilson: I just like being able to have some of these applets above my screen session so I can access things quickly.. even when my configs are neat, I often forget the macros and shit I program |
| 17:38.43 | Ungy | so noone has Quake3 ddicated server running experience? ;-( |
| 17:38.54 | tbbw | mwilson: well a normal modprobe nvidia is the same as addint it to /etc/modules and reboot |
| 17:38.55 | nvz | mwilson: and one thing leads to another.. you want the applets so you need the panel, so you need the settings daemon..etc |
| 17:39.08 | tbbw | -t+g |
| 17:39.15 | Kog | paulswm, if you hate pascal you're really gonna love the fact that I write in a bit of C# these days ;) |
| 17:39.27 | abrotman | fuck quake .. it's for |
| 17:39.29 | paulswm | mwilson: My mistake, I was thinking of the go to statement |
| 17:39.31 | Ungy | I write in C# |
| 17:39.35 | mwilson | nvz: *I* don't want the applets, Gnome's panel sucks, and g-s-d is garbage. |
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| 17:39.41 | abrotman | yay go |
| 17:39.44 | tbbw | directhex: well i added it to /etc/modules |
| 17:39.54 | Kog | Ungy, yeah the guy that invented pascal is the father of C# |
| 17:40.01 | Kog | Ungy, and since paulswm hates pascal.... |
| 17:40.06 | Ungy | really i was not aware of that |
| 17:40.10 | Kog | yup |
| 17:40.18 | Jacobo221 | is there a way to run a different event script depending on how tong (how much time) the power button (PWRF) has been pressed? I'm using acpid |
| 17:40.18 | tbbw | directhex: still get the no screens found but if i change back to vesa x starts |
| 17:40.24 | mwilson | Kog: Uh, what drugs are you smoking? |
| 17:40.26 | Kog | paulswm, you gotta admit streams was a really great idea |
| 17:40.32 | Kog | mwilson, none |
| 17:40.48 | directhex | tbbw, and what is the ACTUAL error? no screens found is NOT useful in _ANY_ way, shape or form. |
| 17:40.48 | mwilson | Kog: Niklaus Wirth is the father of C#? |
| 17:40.53 | Kog | mwilson, I'm the RA for sober housing... so I would hope I didn't smoke anything |
| 17:40.57 | directhex | tbbw, read the log file & come back. |
| 17:40.59 | Kog | I'd get my ass fired |
| 17:41.08 | nvz | mwilson: yeah well I have yet to find anything that offers the freedom of design that gnome-panel does.. I personally dont need a panel either, but it helps me work faster because I see the applets, the keybindings I can forget. As for other people like my uncle, or the kid.. they need the visuals, so I just try to figure out ways to make it work as smoothly as possible |
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| 17:41.19 | tbbw | directhex: it says it probes for a s3 card for some reson |
| 17:41.27 | directhex | christ :| |
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| 17:41.40 | Kog | erm sorry mwilson it was Anders Hejlsberg |
| 17:41.47 | directhex | tbbw, paste your XF86Config-4 and XFree86.0.log online somewhere |
| 17:41.50 | Kog | delphi... not pascal |
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| 17:41.56 | tbbw | directhex: did a verbose ( manual told me to ) and checked the log in /var/log |
| 17:42.00 | Ungy | ok well I guess I am goign to go fumble around with cron and try to get this damned Quake3 server up and running peace |
| 17:42.05 | tbbw | directhex: will do |
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| 17:43.48 | resiak | !kick Gnome devs (who apparently don't believe in manpages) |
| 17:44.16 | directhex | yes, lack of manpages is an irritation |
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| 17:44.59 | resiak | I would write some, but I have real work to do. |
| 17:45.07 | caoilte | does anyone know of a good cd burning tool that will allow you to reverse byte order as an option? |
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| 17:45.57 | nvz | heh |
| 17:46.24 | Kog | why would you want to reverse the byte order on a CD? |
| 17:46.25 | nvz | there is no point in manpages, the apps are all graphical, and have no command line options other than gtk options really |
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| 17:46.44 | nvz | thats what the gnome help is for |
| 17:47.15 | directhex | nvz, nautilus --no-desktop disagrees |
| 17:47.23 | nvz | directhex: nautilus has a manpage |
| 17:47.23 | caoilte | Kog: i'm getting only noise when I burn the image. i assume that means the byte ordering is wrong somehow. |
| 17:47.25 | paulswm | Kog: http://www.lysator.liu.se/c/bwk-on-pascal.html - Brian Kernighan on Pascal |
| 17:47.43 | mwilson | caoilte: Why would you assume that? |
| 17:47.52 | nvz | directhex: nautilus -n, is useful as well, its the exact oppisite, draws desktop without opening a window |
| 17:48.02 | resiak | nvz: And how, pray, did you learn those? |
| 17:48.08 | directhex | nvz, how is that useful? |
| 17:48.09 | mwilson | resiak: Other than that it's supremely ugly? |
| 17:48.09 | nvz | resiak: the nautilus manpage |
| 17:48.12 | resiak | ...nautilus has a manpage :) |
| 17:48.18 | TinoW | kde has no manpages either |
| 17:48.26 | TinoW | (most apps) |
| 17:48.28 | resiak | mwilson: Well, gnome-settings-daemon doesn't seem to understand that I do really mean that. |
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| 17:48.32 | nvz | directhex: if you want to use nautilus outside gnome for a desktop, then you need to put nautilus -n & |
| 17:48.36 | caoilte | mwilson: because it seemed a common problem when i googled it. |
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| 17:48.50 | ChubStudy | how safe is it to perform an apt-get upgrade ? I have testing on the sources |
| 17:49.07 | nvz | directhex: like if you wanted to put in in your xsession for use with fluxbox, openbox, sawfish, wmaker or such |
| 17:49.07 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 17:49.08 | directhex | ChubStudy, your computer will explode, the shrapnel will kill you |
| 17:49.09 | mwilson | resiak: Well, that means that you don't really want to use that font. After all, Gnome knows far better than you how you should want your computer to be. They've said so. |
| 17:49.22 | tbbw | directhex: can i privmsg you with the link of the logs? |
| 17:49.25 | ChubStudy | 25 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded. |
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| 17:49.33 | tbbw | log and conf even |
| 17:49.37 | directhex | tbbw, no, because then nobody else can analyse. |
| 17:49.43 | tbbw | aha |
| 17:49.47 | directhex | ChubStudy, dist-upgrade not upgrade |
| 17:49.49 | ChubStudy | thx hex |
| 17:49.59 | tbbw | http://blarf.sytes.net/x/ |
| 17:50.07 | mwilson | ew, why would you tell someone to automatically use the dist-upgrade target? |
| 17:50.11 | resiak | mwilson: Of course. Oh well, no Nautilus for me. What a crying shame. By the way, do you know any good smb browsers? |
| 17:50.22 | Ungy | Ok how do I run somethign silent in the background so I don;t have to have a console window up and running it? |
| 17:50.27 | resiak | Ungy: & |
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| 17:50.36 | mwilson | resiak: No, I have no use for one. I only connect to shares I'm allowed to connect to. |
| 17:50.53 | famagosta | hi! i got 2.6.10 running on my box, and since then i got problems using the cd-rw. i know that kernel has some issues, but somebody knows some workaround esp. for burning? |
| 17:50.56 | resiak | mwilson: Fair enough. You're clearly not on a college network, full of nice music and such :) |
| 17:50.58 | ChubStudy | bind9 can use the same files of bind8 ? |
| 17:51.05 | Ungy | resiak you rock |
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| 17:51.17 | resiak | Ungy: I know. www.whoiselmoblatch.com ;-) |
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| 17:51.30 | Ungy | ChubStudy hmm yes and no depending on what you did but if its basic yes |
| 17:51.41 | ChubStudy | it's basic thx |
| 17:51.55 | mwilson | resiak: Even if I were, I'd have to reason to be connecting to other people's machines. |
| 17:51.59 | TinoW | famagosta: try 2.6.9 then and/or be more specific with your questions |
| 17:52.02 | mwilson | s/to/no/ |
| 17:52.08 | C5Hardtop | why doesn't sarge use the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:52.19 | tbbw | and this is from lspci: |
| 17:52.21 | mwilson | C5Hardtop: It does. |
| 17:52.24 | directhex | C5Hardtop, it does. if you want it to. |
| 17:52.27 | tbbw | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX |
| 17:52.31 | tbbw | 400] (rev b2) |
| 17:52.38 | Whiplash | Someone tell me real quick how to create users and set passwords in a konsole session? |
| 17:52.41 | paulswm | C5Hardtop: It does, if you specify linux26 on install, and if not you can install it later anyway |
| 17:52.42 | Whiplash | I forgoted |
| 17:52.46 | resiak | mwilson: Yes, and the reason is that pretty much everyone shares their media, and the understanding is that people share it so that others can listen and watch. |
| 17:52.47 | Shadur | Whiplash: man adduser |
| 17:52.52 | Whiplash | ah |
| 17:52.52 | Whiplash | thx |
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| 17:52.57 | Ungy | Whiplash or useradd |
| 17:53.04 | mwilson | resiak: Doesn't make it right, or legal. |
| 17:53.07 | Whiplash | sweet |
| 17:53.08 | Whiplash | thx |
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| 17:53.32 | C5Hardtop | i guess 2.4 is the default then cuz thats what i wound up with |
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| 17:53.38 | resiak | mwilson: Well, that depends. I'd love people to pick up my band's EP from my smb share, and it's CC. |
| 17:53.47 | resiak | mwilson: So in that case, it's both right and legal. |
| 17:53.58 | resiak | C5Hardtop: Yes, it's the default. Want a 2.6? Install one. |
| 17:53.59 | sparr | how can i find out why XFree86 is taking up 30% of my CPU time? |
| 17:54.28 | nvz | sparr: umm because, who cares |
| 17:54.32 | C5Hardtop | i installed one but didn't get smp installed when i had it selected in the xconfig |
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| 17:54.42 | Solak | sigh... |
| 17:54.44 | foxcokk | can someone give me a quick rundown on how/where i change the network subnet? i changed it in /etc/network/interfaces and in dhcpd3. i basically want to change 192.168.1.X to 192.168.2.X inside of the network.. thanks |
| 17:54.46 | sparr | nvz: i do, its slowing shit down |
| 17:54.46 | nvz | sparr: its got a job to do, you think it can do it with no resources? |
| 17:54.50 | resiak | C5Hardtop: Uh, install a -smp kernel package. |
| 17:54.55 | C5Hardtop | do i have to tell it 386 instead of pentium 4? |
| 17:55.02 | nvz | sparr: then stop using X |
| 17:55.07 | sparr | great plan |
| 17:55.13 | resiak | C5Hardtop: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 , pick one that has a -smp suffix, use it. |
| 17:55.23 | C5Hardtop | ok, thanks |
| 17:55.26 | TinoW | C5Hardtop: why not just apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.... ? |
| 17:55.41 | C5Hardtop | thats what i did TinoW |
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| 17:55.42 | directhex | tbbw, i'm not entirely sure what's going on, it seewms to be ignoring your Driver setting. have you upgraded X recently? |
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| 17:55.56 | Whiplash | Ok, made my users, how do I set passwords? Was I supposed to do it through the useradd command? |
| 17:56.03 | TinoW | C5Hardtop: no, you did not - there is no xconfig involved if you use apt-get ;) |
| 17:56.05 | abrotman | adduser ? |
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| 17:56.23 | abrotman | Whiplash: use adduser .. not useradd |
| 17:56.27 | tbbw | directhex: well i did a sarge upgrade a while back |
| 17:56.33 | C5Hardtop | xconfig comes after getting the package |
| 17:56.44 | TinoW | C5Hardtop: no, never. |
| 17:56.47 | tbbw | directhex: from woody to sarge |
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| 17:56.55 | shingoki | should the sarge kernel support fat? |
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| 17:57.15 | nvz | you think you got problems.. I got an editor eating about 75% my cpu time right now |
| 17:57.18 | directhex | tbbw, that would definitely have fucked anything nvidia-installer was involved in |
| 17:57.22 | paulswm | Whiplash: you can set the passwords from root with passwd, see the manpage |
| 17:57.28 | resiak | nvz: Oh, and the nautilus manpage was written by a Debian person. Upstream doesn't have one. |
| 17:57.29 | Whiplash | ahh |
| 17:57.30 | Whiplash | sweet |
| 17:57.32 | tbbw | directhex: but when i rem the nvidia lines with # and unrem vesa it works |
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| 17:57.38 | Whiplash | I was just doing (man passwd) when you typed that :P |
| 17:57.44 | paulswm | Whiplash: :D |
| 17:57.52 | tbbw | directhex: i ran nvidia-installer today |
| 17:57.53 | directhex | tbbw, yes. your nvidia stuff is all fucked. vesa isn't nvidia |
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| 17:58.15 | resiak | tbbw: Why oh why did you run nvidia-installer? |
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| 17:58.35 | nvz | resiak: psst. Debian rules. |
| 17:58.42 | directhex | tbbw, i'm stoping caring now. in order, /msg dpkg c md5sum, /msg dpkg non-free sources, /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner. |
| 17:58.48 | tbbw | directhex: coz it was from nvidias homepage and i always used ther homepage for nvidia drivers ( old habbit i guess ) |
| 17:58.52 | ChubStudy | rules... yes |
| 17:58.56 | resiak | directhex: ITYM nvidia howto |
| 17:58.57 | directhex | tbbw, if it wo |
| 17:58.59 | directhex | bah |
| 17:59.29 | directhex | tbbw, if it still doesn't work when you have debian packages and a debian-created config file, ask again. otherwise it looks llike a broken mess. |
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| 17:59.45 | resiak | Nice. There's a "don't do the desktop" setting in Nautilus, and ... it's only settable through gconf-editor. mwilson, I am coming round to your point of view. |
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| 17:59.46 | shingoki | I don't know if this is right or will help, but it has instructions on cleaning up from nvidia installer: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
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| 18:00.11 | shingoki | The instructions for installing with debian packages DO seem to work though, if you don't want to use the one liner |
| 18:00.15 | resiak | !!tell shingoki about nvidia howto |
| 18:00.16 | directhex | resiak, --no-desktop works, as long as no apps summon nautilus |
| 18:00.18 | resiak | !tell shingoki about nvidia howto |
| 18:00.19 | tbbw | directhex: okey so i suld run the nvidia-installers uninstall and then follow the bot's guides? |
| 18:00.28 | resiak | directhex: Yes, but turning it off in gconf is nicer. |
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| 18:00.31 | directhex | tbbw, probably. |
| 18:00.35 | kanzure | Hello. |
| 18:00.37 | directhex | resiak, definitely |
| 18:00.39 | foxcokk | can anyone help me with a networking question? |
| 18:00.45 | resiak | !tell foxcokk about ask |
| 18:00.45 | tbbw | directhex: okey ill get right on it |
| 18:00.47 | idnar | "summon" - hahaha |
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| 18:00.56 | abrotman | foxcokk: you need to just ask |
| 18:00.56 | foxcokk | can someone give me a quick rundown on how/where i change the network subnet? i changed it in /etc/network/interfaces and in dhcpd3. i basically want to change 192.168.1.X to 192.168.2.X inside of the network.. thanks |
| 18:01.09 | mwilson | resiak: Even when nautilus works, it's crap. |
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| 18:01.12 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.14 | resiak | foxcokk: Have you done /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:01.14 | shingoki | tbbw, or look at the stuff on those pages about cleaning up after nvidia installer. The uninstaller might not be any better than the installer, I dunno |
| 18:01.16 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.18 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.19 | resiak | paulswm: I've given up on dvorak for now. |
| 18:01.20 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.22 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.25 | abrotman | foxcokk: if it's from dhcp .. it shold get it form the dhcp server |
| 18:01.26 | resiak | paulswm: I need to be able to type my work |
| 18:01.26 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.28 | nvz | I havent tried the debian-way of installing nvidia drivers, cause I am lazy and the nvidia binary is a ./ wonder you just run it and you're done. though I have had a few X lockups lately which I figure is a driver problem |
| 18:01.30 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.30 | abrotman | !ops hmmmmmm spam |
| 18:01.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: hmmmmmm spam |
| 18:01.32 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.34 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.35 | shingoki | someone kick him? |
| 18:01.36 | *** mode/#Debian [+o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 18:01.38 | thenuke | no., |
| 18:01.38 | paulswm | resiak: Heh, funny. |
| 18:01.40 | hmmmmmm | http://lol.schaetec.de |
| 18:01.41 | resiak | nvz: You will fuck your system. |
| 18:01.42 | kanzure | Other computers on my network can access <this> computer's localhost. I have NAT running on <this> computer to a Windows box; Windows can ping <this> computer, but it can't get to <this> computer's website (port 80). What's wrong / how do I fix this? |
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| 18:01.50 | abrotman | ElectricElf: thank you |
| 18:01.50 | paulswm | Thanks ElectricElf |
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| 18:01.56 | ElectricElf | No probs |
| 18:02.01 | abrotman | nvz: not fast enough |
| 18:02.07 | nvz | resiak: with what? |
| 18:02.19 | tbbw | directhex: u sure that: /msg dpkg c md5sum is correct? "[dpkg(~dpkg@dpkg.user)] I don't know, could you explain it?, tbbw" |
| 18:02.26 | nvz | abrotman: 30+ lines in 1minute shoudl be fast enough |
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| 18:02.33 | abrotman | nvz: nope |
| 18:02.35 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:02.35 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:02.36 | directhex | !x md5sum |
| 18:02.36 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:02.36 | foxcokk | abrotman: i did restart the network, and it isnt dhcp. the linux box is the dhcp3 server. i want it to give all the machines behind it 192.168.2.X ips, which did actually work, but they are unable to use the internet nor ping the linux box |
| 18:02.49 | abrotman | nvz: if you type 5 lines to fast .. i think you get kicked though :) |
| 18:03.00 | resiak | nvz: with nvidia-installer |
| 18:03.01 | resiak | abrotman: 4 |
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| 18:03.05 | abrotman | foxcokk: your route is bad? |
| 18:03.10 | kanzure | foxcokk: Look into ipchains/iptables. Though I'm not completely sure.. |
| 18:03.13 | abrotman | resiak: 5 .. 4 you can stay .. 5 you get kicked |
| 18:03.23 | resiak | abrotman: Sure? |
| 18:03.25 | foxcokk | kanzure: i did that. |
| 18:03.27 | tbbw | ty directhex :) |
| 18:03.28 | nvz | resiak: never hurt me, in fact when I upgrade my kernel, I run it again and it cleans up after itself and compiles new modules for me |
| 18:03.31 | shingoki | thats bad about the xserver reconfigure, since you need to mess with the file to get tablet to work |
| 18:03.32 | foxcokk | abrotman: how do i fix my route? |
| 18:03.37 | abrotman | resiak: try :) |
| 18:03.48 | resiak | nvz: Or you could just use module-assistant, and miss out the re-running n-i step. |
| 18:03.52 | nvz | resiak: after using it for a few months I am just now starting to notice locups with bzflag 2.0 and other games |
| 18:03.58 | abrotman | foxcokk: fix interfaces file .. or double check your routes |
| 18:03.59 | resiak | abrotman: The temptation is there. |
| 18:04.02 | shingoki | so uh, should I be able to mount FAT stuff with standard sarge kernel? I don't seem to be able to |
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| 18:04.17 | relex | hello |
| 18:04.24 | nvz | resiak: probably, but it just worked (tm) and was easy |
| 18:04.24 | paulswm | shingoki: What is your mount command |
| 18:04.35 | nvz | resiak: everything in nature follows the path of least resistance |
| 18:04.37 | resiak | nvz: m-a is easier... Your loss. |
| 18:04.42 | orchid | nvz 2.0 locks up? |
| 18:04.44 | relex | when i try to start my xserver (4.3.0) with the latest nvidia drivers (6629, i believe) it dies right after trying to load the glx extension |
| 18:04.49 | shingoki | paulswm, I tried "/dev/sda1 /media/camera auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" in fstab |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 18:04.52 | foxcokk | abrotman: the inetrface file is fine, but i'm pretty sure it is the routes now that you mention it. i'm unsure on how to change the routes though |
| 18:04.59 | relex | i get no errors in the logs, it just dies with 'server caught signal 11' |
| 18:05.00 | resiak | shingoki: And what breaks? |
| 18:05.10 | abrotman | foxcokk: reboot ? |
| 18:05.17 | nvz | resiak: typing ./N<tab><enter> is pretty fucking easy to me, thats all you have to do with the nvidia binary |
| 18:05.24 | shingoki | mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified |
| 18:05.42 | nvz | orchid: yeah I've had a few lockups, particuarly when trying to fast quit |
| 18:05.44 | resiak | nvz: Or you could miss that step out entirely. Look, I don't care -- I'm only trying to save you time and effort. Feel free to just ignore me. |
| 18:05.46 | TinoW | abrotman: reboot for what? |
| 18:05.56 | relex | anyone have any clues? |
| 18:06.01 | shingoki | oh I think I need vfat, but auto has worked for me before |
| 18:06.03 | foxcokk | abrotman: i did try rebooting. didnt fix it. |
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| 18:06.18 | paulswm | shingoki: if it's a fat32 fs, you specify -t vfat, you can always try the mount manually and put it in /etc/fstab once you have one which wroks |
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| 18:06.33 | cadu | hi , anyone knows where can i get mplayer prepackaged for debian testing ? thanx in advance |
| 18:06.35 | abrotman | TinoW: windows ? |
| 18:06.35 | nvz | resiak: cant save me any time or effort I got the binaries installed already.. heh when I get around to it I will try rule out any issues I have had over the months of using the binary with trying it the debian way |
| 18:06.39 | shingoki | yes thanks, vfat works :) |
| 18:06.40 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 18:06.40 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or 'cerkinfo'' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 18:06.42 | orchid | nvz: hmm, you tried with a fresh config dir? |
| 18:06.42 | TinoW | abrotman: ah yes ;) |
| 18:06.45 | directhex | !tell cadu about marillat |
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| 18:06.57 | C5Hardtop | i used apt-cache search kernel-source and there is no smp kernel listed. is that by design? |
| 18:07.00 | shingoki | Now I just need to work out how to get gnome to automount it nicely |
| 18:07.05 | directhex | C5Hardtop, no, user error. |
| 18:07.08 | cadu | !tell cadu about mplayer |
| 18:07.08 | shingoki | or at l;east display something on desktop that I can mount |
| 18:07.12 | sepski | C5Hardtop, you are looking at the source what you compile is your issue |
| 18:07.13 | abrotman | foxcokk: route -n .. what do you see ? |
| 18:07.22 | directhex | C5Hardtop, 2.6.8-1-686-smp here. |
| 18:07.35 | nvz | orchid: nope it hasnt become a problem yet.. so far its just occational locking of X when fast quitting, so I figure its a driver problem related to changing video modes.. if it gets more obnoxious I would start troubleshooting |
| 18:07.38 | directhex | C5Hardtop, oh wait. source? why would you need smp source? it's the same stuff |
| 18:07.59 | foxcokk | a list of ip's and netmaks... i think i can take it from here |
| 18:08.00 | orchid | nvz: ok |
| 18:08.02 | foxcokk | thanks much abrotman |
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| 18:08.07 | cadu | !tell cadu about marillat |
| 18:08.08 | C5Hardtop | ok, then i did xconfigure wrong because i only got 1 proc when i installed it |
| 18:08.09 | famagosta | TinoW well, it(=cdrdao) claims it can't open the scsi /dev/hdd |
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| 18:08.19 | paulswm | C5Hardtop: smp is part of the kernel config, not the lernel code |
| 18:08.20 | nvz | orchid: I've rebooted every day for the past two days.. thats the bigger problem.. I've had something deadlock my whole kernel to where I cannot even ssh in, so thats priority |
| 18:08.20 | abrotman | foxcokk: erm .. ok |
| 18:08.29 | TinoW | famagosta: ls -l /dev/hdd ? |
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| 18:08.47 | orchid | nvz: yeah I would think so |
| 18:08.59 | famagosta | TinoW i am in the right group if you refer to that |
| 18:09.45 | TinoW | famagosta: and you are sure /dev/hdd is your burning device? Does eject /dev/hdd work? |
| 18:10.23 | TinoW | famagosta: and "the right group" has actually rw on that device? |
| 18:10.30 | tbbw | anyone know the correct bot command for "quick sig/sarge" plz :) |
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| 18:10.44 | directhex | !quick sid/sarge mix |
| 18:10.45 | dpkg | somebody said quick sid/sarge mix was echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, open sources.list, duplicate your sarge lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update, apt-get -t unstable install foo to install foo from sid rather than sarge (e.g. nvidia-glx) |
| 18:10.47 | tbbw | sid even |
| 18:10.49 | nvz | I dont rush into fixing things.. I observe well enough the issue before hand to see if it will reoccur and by the time I solve the issue I should be able to recreate and solve it over and over again.. rushing to an accidental solution where you dont figure out what went wrong and how you fixed it doesnt help |
| 18:10.53 | tbbw | ty :) |
| 18:11.01 | famagosta | TinoW twice yes |
| 18:11.18 | CyzarX | in fedora, i can create bnep0 config file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-bnep how do i create in debian? |
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| 18:11.35 | TinoW | famagosta: aha, then what is the exact error you get? |
| 18:11.40 | famagosta | TinoW kernel if just complaining that eject is using deprecated ioctl |
| 18:11.48 | famagosta | s/if/is/ |
| 18:12.08 | TinoW | famagosta: are you per chance using SCSI emulation from old kernel setup? |
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| 18:13.07 | famagosta | TinoW i thaught i disabled that, at least in lilo...any other place i need to look? |
| 18:13.20 | warhead | Hi TinoW |
| 18:13.37 | TinoW | famagosta: well, then use the exact error message you get both here and in google |
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| 18:13.49 | famagosta | TinoW right |
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| 18:15.36 | jens | trying to run a perl script, what is Tk.pm? |
| 18:15.40 | warhead | Nice,... |
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| 18:15.54 | sepski | on sarge. i have installed alsa the way dpkg tells me, and it worked right away on 2 other boxes, this one. nothing, alsaconfig finds the card saies it's ok, but alsactl restore say 'no soundcards found'. lsmod shows many snd-* modules, including the one alsaconf claimed was right for my card. how can i troubleshoot further ? |
| 18:16.31 | hogballs | can someone help me install my ati drivers. im getting issues running the .deb package ive created . im thinking i have to go out of the gui to do this successfully |
| 18:16.34 | sepski | i didn't even have to run alsaconfig on the other boxes, and the card is onboard Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) |
| 18:16.34 | timo | si|vercat, a perl interface for Tk |
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| 18:16.52 | directhex | sepski, rebooted? |
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| 18:16.59 | sepski | directhex, yes |
| 18:17.10 | jair_11 | guys what means this email I received each time I start the terminal: http://www.pastebin.com/244148 |
| 18:17.23 | directhex | sepski, lsmod | grep snd show smd-intel8x0m? |
| 18:17.37 | Whiplash | is there a shell command to show all users on a linux box? |
| 18:17.38 | si|vercat | timo, can I install it? says it cant locate it in @INC |
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| 18:17.40 | sleon_ | hallo |
| 18:17.54 | demonsdread | hi. can i play sounds without oss or alsa ? |
| 18:17.56 | hogballs | can someone help me install my ati drivers. im getting issues running the .deb package ive created . im thinking i have to go out of the gui to do this successfully but im not sure how to init3 |
| 18:18.00 | sepski | hmm no it was the smd-intyel8x0 (without the m) |
| 18:18.03 | doublehp_ | please: any one can do : dpkg -S Xlibint ; thanx |
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| 18:18.05 | jair_11 | It do not make anything work different but it is annoying each time I start the "konsole terminal" for first time |
| 18:18.06 | sleon_ | where to get the gnome 2.10beta2 for debian unstable? |
| 18:18.06 | sleon_ | +from |
| 18:18.06 | CyzarX | in fedora, i can create bnep0 config file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-bnep how do i create in debian? |
| 18:18.06 | paulswm | Whiplash: who |
| 18:18.09 | directhex | demonsdread, sounds without any sound driver? what do you think? |
| 18:18.22 | timo | si|vercat, install perl-tk |
| 18:18.24 | demonsdread | i jsut wondered maybe :) |
| 18:18.27 | tbbw | directhex: uuum i got no /etc/apt/apt.conf ( but i do have a directory named apt.conf.d with a file named 70debconf ) |
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| 18:18.37 | directhex | hogballs, init3? debian doesn't use runlevels like that |
| 18:18.39 | goron | Can anyone help me locate my mouse (device file)? |
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| 18:18.49 | directhex | tbbw, you're not meant to have that file. that's why echo creatres it |
| 18:18.59 | hogballs | i didnt know that |
| 18:19.01 | Whiplash | ok thx |
| 18:19.02 | tbbw | directhex: ok :) |
| 18:19.07 | si|vercat | timo, thanks a lot :D |
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| 18:19.21 | doublehp_ | goron: can you ask again ? |
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| 18:19.27 | abrotman | hogballs: but you had gnome running last night |
| 18:19.28 | directhex | hogballs, /etc/init.d/*dm stop, where * corresponds to the dm you use, e.g. kdm, gdm, xdm, wdm, sdm |
| 18:19.32 | goron | doublehp_: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 046d:c01b Logitech, Inc. MX310 Optical Mouse |
| 18:19.51 | goron | doublehp_: I want to find the device file for this mouse. |
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| 18:20.06 | doublehp_ | goron: /dev/input/mice |
| 18:20.10 | doublehp_ | goron: /dev/input/mouse* |
| 18:20.12 | goron | doublehp_: This is the output of lsusb |
| 18:20.19 | directhex | !devinputmice |
| 18:20.19 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 18:20.29 | paulswm | Noooo, don't paste |
| 18:20.29 | doublehp_ | goron: dont forget to use evdev ... and use /dev/input/ev* |
| 18:20.37 | hogballs | abrotman: ya but i want the fglrx drivers instead of the software mesa ones. also how do i pump up my screen resolution too cause the settings only go up to 800x600 |
| 18:20.52 | Pred1 | i try to compile postfix with mysql, sasl and tls support. it compiled without error message, but when i start it: postfix/trivial-rewrite[5411]: fatal: unsupported dictionary type: mysql |
| 18:20.56 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:21.04 | doublehp_ | please: any one can do : dpkg -S Xlibint ; thanx |
| 18:21.07 | hogballs | abrotman cool i didnt know that one |
| 18:21.12 | stouset | doublehp_: what's evdev for? I've always seen it but never quite figured out what it's use is |
| 18:21.19 | abrotman | hogballs: obviously there are lots of things you don't know |
| 18:21.27 | hogballs | lol |
| 18:21.32 | abrotman | !lol |
| 18:21.32 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Loser On Line, good work abrotman, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 18:21.33 | hogballs | <dipshit |
| 18:21.38 | abrotman | moron |
| 18:21.41 | demonsdread | i found c-media, creative media and creative labs searching for my sound card. Do you know which one is real Creative ( the one with soundblaster etc. ) |
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| 18:21.53 | goron | doublehp_: Got to eat. It does not work. |
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| 18:22.35 | si|vercat | anyone got ivtv working? |
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| 18:23.06 | stouset | libx11-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xlibint.h |
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| 18:23.32 | shingoki | !lol |
| 18:23.32 | dpkg | from memory, lol is Loser On Line, good work shingoki, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 18:23.37 | shingoki | sweet |
| 18:23.38 | hogballs | hogballs@debianhog:~$ dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:23.38 | hogballs | dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove |
| 18:23.39 | dpkg | wish i knew, hogballs |
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| 18:23.56 | abrotman | hogballs: read what i typed .. it's not hard |
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| 18:24.07 | matteo | Hi all |
| 18:24.09 | stouset | doublehp_: is it? I've always used /dev/input/mice for mine. |
| 18:24.31 | jetscreamer | hogballs, dpkg-reconfigure, no space |
| 18:24.50 | simonrvn | hogballs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 18:25.01 | doublehp_ | stouset: /dev/input/mice should do every thing you need |
| 18:25.01 | abrotman | oh . like i hadn't already told him that |
| 18:25.32 | stu8 | umm... can the online updates... trying to get a certain package and its dependencies... can this be done through a normal download also ? That is, get all the same packages at once ? |
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| 18:25.33 | doublehp_ | stouset: but you shall be aware of other files for some particular apps ... |
| 18:25.33 | abrotman | stu8: huh? |
| 18:25.33 | directhex | stu8, yes, that's why you're using debian. apt-get install foo gets all dependancies |
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| 18:25.38 | jetscreamer | stu8, you mean like go to a website or ftp and d/l em? yes. |
| 18:25.40 | abrotman | directhex: i think he wants .. all the packages ? :) |
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| 18:25.55 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 18:26.01 | abrotman | stu8: no . it can't be done that way |
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| 18:26.05 | jetscreamer | also you could get a daily iso |
| 18:26.05 | Workblia | hi |
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| 18:26.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. i get it .. it can't be done |
| 18:26.12 | stu8 | jetscreamer... well... ftp would work for me |
| 18:26.20 | stu8 | abrotman... oh crud... well thanks |
| 18:26.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he wants to get like .. go to a website .. and get them all |
| 18:26.26 | jetscreamer | abrotman, i just mean like pdo |
| 18:26.32 | abrotman | stu8: use apt-get . that's why they made it |
| 18:26.44 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yeah .. but you can't just pick one .. and get all dependencies automagically |
| 18:26.46 | doublehp_ | stouset: more in /pv |
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| 18:26.47 | stu8 | abrotman... yea... but I cant do this over a dumb browser |
| 18:26.49 | Workblia | what would be the right way to have my own instance of apache (with some custom modules) in my homedir, under debian ? |
| 18:26.52 | abrotman | stu8: you can download them .. but you have to manuualy do it ... |
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| 18:27.13 | abrotman | stu8: so if A depends on B .. you have to download A and B seperately |
| 18:27.19 | jetscreamer | either get you a daily iso or go to packages.debian.org stu8, but that's silly. the iso you could burn and use as a source. |
| 18:27.28 | abrotman | stu8: apt-get install A will automagically get B |
| 18:27.30 | jetscreamer | that's good |
| 18:27.33 | G400 | I'm trying to trace a bug in xfree86-server. Problem is that I get a hard lock-up with no ssh and no log messages. Reliably reproducible with xanalogtv screensaver in image grab mode. But what is at fault? xlibmesa-gl? |
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| 18:27.44 | sepski | hmm i altered /etc/modprobe.d/sound to snd-intel8x0m instead of snd-intel8x0 but still it's the non m version thats get loaded, can it be discover or something that loads it? |
| 18:27.49 | stu8 | abrotman... ok... I was afraid that might be the only way... yea... |
| 18:28.04 | jetscreamer | what's wrong with a daily .iso as a source? |
| 18:28.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that could become quite cumbersome |
| 18:28.26 | stu8 | jetscreamer... that would work... but how large would it be ? |
| 18:28.31 | hogballs | so anyone know how to get the ati drivers to install? |
| 18:28.32 | jetscreamer | a cd |
| 18:28.36 | jetscreamer | or a dvd |
| 18:28.45 | BeBrA | hello. after doing an apt-get upgrade when I connect using ssh into the box I've a problem with end and backspace keys: they're printed on the client (putty) as "~" |
| 18:29.00 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:29.01 | paulswm | Workblia: read FHS in package 'debian-policy' re. local stuff. Personally, I'd put it in /opt, although /usr/local is another possibility |
| 18:29.05 | jetscreamer | you could mount the .iso, no need to burn it stu8 |
| 18:29.16 | hogballs | abrotman ya that worked thx |
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| 18:29.28 | hogballs | Thanks |
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| 18:29.32 | paulswm | Workblia: FHS == Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, btw |
| 18:29.46 | Workblia | paulswm, i don't have root, will i be capable of writing to /usr/local ? |
| 18:29.55 | stu8 | heck...I'll just download all the files... thanks peeps |
| 18:30.10 | ChubStudy | how do I change pop back to plaintext auth ? |
| 18:30.12 | viper | ok my problem is this .. I`ve got a HP laserjet companion parallel port scanner and I wanna scan in console directly to a jpg or whatever.. how do I do this ? |
| 18:30.16 | abrotman | i'm a peep!! |
| 18:30.21 | stu8 | :) |
| 18:30.23 | abrotman | (much better than a peepee) |
| 18:30.27 | stu8 | much |
| 18:30.42 | Workblia | paulswm, and what would be the apt command to get the apache into a custom location for me ? or at least sources ... |
| 18:30.45 | paulswm | Workblia: I don't know, ask your sys admin. You can really put it anywhere you like. |
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| 18:31.46 | doublehp_ | any one can do for me : dpkg -S StdCmap |
| 18:32.03 | abrotman | why can't you? |
| 18:32.09 | abrotman | or use packages.debian.org ? |
| 18:32.10 | ChubStudy | brb |
| 18:32.20 | doublehp_ | abrotman: if I could, I d not ask ... |
| 18:32.30 | abrotman | !find StdCmap |
| 18:32.30 | doublehp_ | abrotman: an other rm -rf around |
| 18:32.34 | doublehp_ | ah ... |
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| 18:32.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'StdCmap' (2 shown): (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/Xmu/StdCmap.h) in libdevel/libxmu-dev ;; (/usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/building/x5/mu.api/StdCmap.c, /usr/lib/TenDRA/lib/include/x5/mu.api/X11/Xmu/StdCmap.h) in devel/tendra. |
| 18:32.45 | abrotman | doublehp_: you have no web browser ? |
| 18:32.46 | paulswm | Workblia: use apt-caceh to search for sources. man apt-get will tell you about download-only. Whether or not you have the permissions to run a custom built Apache server is between you and your SA, I personally wopuldn't let you :) |
| 18:32.56 | paulswm | apt-cache that is |
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| 18:33.22 | doublehp_ | abrotman: just lynx ... I was looking for /msg dpkg !search ... not !find ... |
| 18:33.29 | tbbw | directhex: TY MAN!!! :D it workt i just hafto reboot for a final check :) |
| 18:33.33 | abrotman | lynx works on packages.debian.org |
| 18:33.45 | abrotman | hmm ... help debianites . or play madden .. |
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| 18:33.57 | VoX | what's difference between a pre-compiled debian kernel, and a vanilla kernel? just extra patches and whatnot? |
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| 18:34.19 | famagosta | TinoW ok, played around a little, got the fresher version of cdrdao (with new command line syntax etc)....it works now, but somebody sends messages like "scsi: unknow opcode 0x..." |
| 18:34.21 | Workblia | paulswm, well it's either my apache, or a bleeding edge module from cvs in your apache ;) |
| 18:34.28 | directhex | VoX, precompield debian kernels are precompiled debian source for xrz arch. debian source has some patches etc |
| 18:34.52 | VoX | ok |
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| 18:35.14 | abdala__ | k |
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| 18:36.13 | VoX | where do i get the debian kernel from/info on what to do with it? |
| 18:36.20 | VoX | i've never looked at it before |
| 18:36.30 | directhex | !wayttd VoX |
| 18:36.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, VoX? |
| 18:36.45 | CyzarX | in fedora, i can create bnep0 config file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-bnep how do i create in debian? |
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| 18:37.12 | Coax | hey how can i make postfix accept mail from *@host.tld? |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | wtf is a bnep9 ? |
| 18:37.14 | VoX | well i have a vanilla kernel which i've compiled, but i've been told to use the debian kernel |
| 18:37.19 | paulswm | Workblia: Not my apache - and apt-get won't run as non-root anyway for nolrmal installs, not sure about source downloads though |
| 18:37.20 | dupondje | hi, can i repair a ufs2 partition in linux ? |
| 18:37.25 | abrotman | Coax: #postfix |
| 18:37.36 | directhex | sounds bluetoothy, though i don't use a bnep dev |
| 18:37.53 | abrotman | wait .. i have bluetooth |
| 18:37.55 | abrotman | i thnk |
| 18:38.07 | abrotman | not in dmesg .. hmm |
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| 18:38.24 | directhex | Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.2 |
| 18:38.25 | stouset | VoX: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 18:39.08 | hogballs | there is a website for debian versions of the ati drivers. im going to try those and see. |
| 18:39.13 | stouset | VoX: Or, if you're using an AthlonXP, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 18:39.45 | CyzarX | directhex, yes, create an interface for bluetooth in fedora, where can i create for deiban ? |
| 18:39.45 | abrotman | directhex: well .. i thought i had bluetooth |
| 18:39.47 | stouset | VoX: unless there's a compelling reason to roll your own kernel, just use the one provided by the debian packages |
| 18:39.50 | jsn | I've got ALSA working, but it's not working for realplay (I think I have to use that for C-SPAN radio). Any ideas of what to check/do? |
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| 18:40.18 | VoX | stouset: is there any info on what to do with packaged kernels? ie, after it's got the package, what do i do then? or does it run a script and make/install all the modules and whatnot itself? |
| 18:40.28 | jsn | Rather, I have no sound for realplay at all (or xine, i think) |
| 18:40.54 | stouset | VoX: there is no "afterwards"; install, and you should be good to go :-) |
| 18:41.01 | directhex | jsn, apt-get install alsa-oss && aoss realplay |
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| 18:41.22 | VoX | stouset: okie dokie |
| 18:41.29 | stouset | VoX: at the end of the install, you should see something stating that (grub|lilo) has been run and installed the new kernel |
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| 18:41.50 | abrotman | directhex: is there an easy way to tell from lspci? |
| 18:41.51 | jsn | directhex, alsa-oss is installed, realplay is installed. What's "aoss realplay?" |
| 18:41.52 | CyzarX | in fedora, i can create bnep0 config file in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-bnep where can i create in debian? |
| 18:42.00 | paulswm | Well, the only manual thing after a new kernel install is the short pre-boot prayer of course |
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| 18:42.10 | VoX | what about modules, kernel options for sound and vid cards and whatnot? |
| 18:42.12 | abrotman | CyzarX: i'd suspect it just goes in your interfaces file |
| 18:42.15 | stouset | VoX: if you're using grub, you can do a sanity check by viewing /boot/grub/menu.lst and checking to see that everything's the correct version; I've never seen it bork it up, but it is nerve-wracking to know that when you reboot, there's the chance that it might not come back up on its own, so I usually verify anyways :-) |
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| 18:42.20 | jsn | paulswm, never a lilo -v or ybin -v (powerpc) |
| 18:42.21 | jsn | ? |
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| 18:42.26 | viper | ok my problem is this .. I`ve got a HP laserjet companion parallel port scanner and I wanna scan in console directly to a jpg or whatever.. how do I do this ? |
| 18:42.36 | directhex | jsn, alsa-oss contains a library and a wrapper. the wrapper calls an executable using the library. the library takes non-mmapped OSS apps (like realplayer) and turns them into alsa pps |
| 18:42.37 | C5Hardtop | i built and installed a 2.6 kernel. At bootup, the debug output stops and the screen goes black. The system boots fine but i'd like to know how to get the debug messages back. Did i uncheck someing in xconfig that i shouldn't have? |
| 18:42.47 | dupondje | hi, can i repair a ufs2 partition in linux ? |
| 18:43.08 | jsn | directhex, thanks. |
| 18:43.13 | paulswm | jsn: I don't use lilo, I use grub, but yes, run lilo if one has it |
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| 18:43.45 | directhex | C5Hardtop, yes. why did you compile your own kernel? |
| 18:43.45 | VoX | stouset: what about kernel options for sound, vid cards and the like? |
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| 18:44.02 | directhex | abrotman, erm... dmesg? |
| 18:44.04 | C5Hardtop | what option do i need to check? |
| 18:44.04 | paulswm | jsn: I believe there is a pretty specific instruction displayed to do that after a kernel install on a lilo box |
| 18:44.11 | directhex | abrotman, or lsmod |
| 18:44.16 | CyzarX | abrotman, where is the interface file ? |
| 18:44.22 | jsn | paulswm, never stopped me from forgetting :) |
| 18:44.27 | zack | i have dhcpd3 running on debian, and a windows (ugh) client is getting its IP correctly but not its DNS server - is there a common cause for this? |
| 18:44.30 | directhex | C5Hardtop, you tell us, you seem to think you nkkow better than the debian kernel maintainers what is needed |
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| 18:44.41 | C5Hardtop | wtf? |
| 18:44.52 | hogballs | how do i find out mykernal version |
| 18:44.55 | si|vercat | can someone help me with ivtv? |
| 18:44.57 | abrotman | CyzarX: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:44.57 | paulswm | jsn: Nor me, and I was always forgetting after moving things around too, hence grub :) |
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| 18:45.15 | abrotman | directhex: yeah .. but well .. i thought this laptop had it .. but i don't see it in dmesg or lspci |
| 18:45.19 | abrotman | directhex: guess i was wrong |
| 18:45.23 | dupondje | hi, can i repair a ufs2 partition in linux ? |
| 18:45.25 | dupondje | guys :( |
| 18:45.31 | paulswm | Hate that LI in the top lh corner of the screen |
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| 18:45.57 | Withdraw | i just installed debian sarge w/ grub but it wont boot |
| 18:46.02 | Withdraw | how do i make a boot disk to start debian? |
| 18:46.08 | si|vercat | says can't open device /dev/video0 |
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| 18:46.15 | hogballs | it should ask u in install withdraw |
| 18:46.21 | Rambo3 | Withdraw #grub |
| 18:46.23 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:46.23 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:46.30 | Obi1Linux | hi; sorry, how do i fgure out what files an installed package provides? |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | Withdraw: why won't it boot ? |
| 18:46.38 | WOLF_z | 'u' FS ? |
| 18:46.44 | Withdraw | hogballs in the instal lit didnt ask if i wanted to make a boot disk |
| 18:46.51 | paulswm | hogballs: It doesn't with sarge, IIRC |
| 18:46.54 | abrotman | Withdraw: it was an option |
| 18:47.03 | abrotman | it doesn't ask you .. but the choice is there |
| 18:47.07 | abrotman | Withdraw: why doesn't it boot ? |
| 18:47.10 | abrotman | and ignore hogballs |
| 18:47.12 | hogballs | abrotman do YOU know how i find out what kernel |
| 18:47.16 | hogballs | im running |
| 18:47.17 | hogballs | lol |
| 18:47.19 | abrotman | anyone who uses 'u' can't be much help |
| 18:47.20 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 18:47.20 | hogballs | im a NOOBIE |
| 18:47.22 | Rambo3 | do you have a floppy withdraw |
| 18:47.22 | paulswm | hogballs: uname -r |
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| 18:47.31 | Withdraw | abrotman: i dont know it just says that theres nothing to boot in the bios |
| 18:47.31 | abrotman | Rambo3: sounds personal |
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| 18:47.40 | abrotman | Withdraw: what? |
| 18:47.41 | Withdraw | ill try to reinstall and make a boot disk |
| 18:47.53 | abrotman | Withdraw: make sure you tell it that it can install grub if that's what you want |
| 18:48.27 | Withdraw | ok im gonna try to install it again |
| 18:48.35 | Rambo3 | abrotman :S |
| 18:48.35 | sepski | Withdraw, if it's just grub your having problem with then grub on a floppy will help you out |
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| 18:48.58 | Withdraw | ok ill give that a try |
| 18:49.21 | dupondje | nobody can help me ? :( |
| 18:49.21 | Obi1Linux | hi; sorry, how do i fgure out what files an installed package provides? |
| 18:49.23 | goron | doublehp_: I am back again. The events also don't do anything. |
| 18:49.37 | stouset | What's the problem, dupondje? |
| 18:49.38 | Knight_Lord | Obi1Linux dpkg -L <package> |
| 18:49.41 | dupondje | hi, can i repair a ufs2 partition in linux ? |
| 18:49.53 | hogballs | how about finding out what xfree86 im using |
| 18:49.57 | Obi1Linux | thanks |
| 18:50.01 | jsn | directhex, whatabout when the browser pops up the realplayer? /usr/bin/aoss /usr/local/bin/realplay gives mozilla an error? |
| 18:50.02 | Knight_Lord | yw |
| 18:50.02 | abrotman | dupondje: stop repeating .. what is ufs2? |
| 18:50.12 | abrotman | !tell hogballs about fundamentals |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | !tell hogballs about refcard |
| 18:50.24 | directhex | jsn, when it's used as a plugin? not so sure, to be honest |
| 18:50.25 | Knight_Lord | dupondje wha do you mean with repair? |
| 18:50.43 | jsn | well, at least it works. thanks |
| 18:50.44 | dupondje | well the ufs2 partition in my pc doesn't want to mount |
| 18:50.47 | dupondje | its bit fucked :s |
| 18:50.50 | dupondje | want to repair it |
| 18:50.51 | directhex | sod it, this is unproductive |
| 18:50.54 | goron | For the newcomers: I can't find the device file of my usb Logitech MX310 mouse. In lsusb it shows up. |
| 18:50.56 | dupondje | like u have fsck for ext3 etc ? |
| 18:50.57 | sepski | dupondje, you can try the testdisk package |
| 18:50.57 | stouset | dupondje: does this help? http://ufs-linux.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 18:50.58 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:50.58 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:51.16 | WOLF_z | Hey how big is the new MiniPrototype FreeBSD'S CRK before and after burn ? |
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| 18:51.25 | FieldySnuts | ask freebsd people (not us) |
| 18:51.26 | stouset | dpkg: youfs? ;) |
| 18:51.26 | dpkg | stouset: I give up, what is it? |
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| 18:51.29 | abrotman | WOLF_z: wrong damn channel |
| 18:51.35 | sepski | ufs is fs in bsd's fyi |
| 18:51.49 | abrotman | that i know .. i |
| 18:51.54 | abrotman | i didn' tknow there was a ufs2 |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | oh well |
| 18:51.58 | hogballs | hey how do you make a hog smile? |
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| 18:52.03 | Knight_Lord | dupondje i doubt you can do fsck on ufs2. linux doesn't know much about ufs2 |
| 18:52.09 | abrotman | hogballs: this isn't the comedy shack |
| 18:52.11 | hogballs | give them a hushpuppie |
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| 18:52.21 | Knight_Lord | dupondje fsck using linux i mean |
| 18:52.22 | hogballs | ok sorry |
| 18:52.26 | paulswm | sepski: And Solaris, and NextStep, etc, etc. |
| 18:52.29 | sepski | dupondje, testdisk package claims to support ufs, dosnt say anything about ufs2 tho... |
| 18:52.36 | si|vercat | what is the problem when tvtime says it can't open /dev/video0? Permissions are set right |
| 18:52.44 | zamolxes | i'm wondering what's up with the common criteria certifications, it seems to me woody is more secure than suse .. |
| 18:52.56 | Knight_Lord | si|vercat it mens you don't have permission to open video0 |
| 18:53.01 | abrotman | si|vercat: ls -l /dev/video0 |
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| 18:53.03 | FieldySnuts | suse has a company and therefore big money behind it. nuff said. |
| 18:53.11 | Knight_Lord | si|vercat adding your user to group video might do the trick |
| 18:53.13 | hogballs | abrotman i clicked on that link you gave me and i was expecting all the commands but not there |
| 18:53.21 | paulswm | hogballs: Although at times it may _look_ like a comedy shack :P |
| 18:53.21 | WOLF_z | Just wondering |
| 18:53.23 | Knight_Lord | si|vercat adduser <user> video |
| 18:53.24 | abrotman | hogballs: no .. you have to read |
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| 18:53.28 | FieldySnuts | i'm not impressed with that cert stuff, all it means is there is a lot of money behind it. it's nowhere close to open ended to all distros |
| 18:53.30 | abrotman | WOLF_z: we're not #freebsd |
| 18:53.32 | asuffield | specifically, suse has an old and rich company behind it |
| 18:53.40 | Knight_Lord | si|vercat you'll have to logout and login again for it to take effect |
| 18:53.43 | hogballs | abrotman the refcard is all i looked at |
| 18:53.51 | abrotman | hogballs: you still have to read it |
| 18:53.57 | valdyn | maybe read up on what eal4 _really_ means.. |
| 18:54.00 | asuffield | FieldySnuts: the only thing it means is "this company has paid the bribe to be considered for US government contracts" |
| 18:54.06 | FieldySnuts | asuffield: exactly |
| 18:54.15 | goron | How can I find where my mouse device file is? |
| 18:54.16 | si|vercat | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Feb 20 17:19 /dev/video0 |
| 18:54.34 | FieldySnuts | is the us govt wants to use linux, they aren't going to sit around and wait for a distro to become what they want, they'll make their own (such as nsa's selinux) |
| 18:54.35 | Knight_Lord | si|vercat adding to group video will do the trick like i said |
| 18:54.37 | zamolxes | yep, that might be it :) but i'm sure there are some standards or something, besides the 'taxes' ? |
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| 18:54.57 | si|vercat | I even tried running tvtime as root, same message. |
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| 18:55.04 | WOLF_z | I asked cuz that coulde solve the Mount problems |
| 18:55.11 | Rambo3 | silvercat are drivers loadeed |
| 18:55.21 | Knight_Lord | si|vercat same message as root? |
| 18:55.26 | FieldySnuts | WOLF_z: this. is. not. a. freebsd. channel. what the fuck is so hard to understand about that. |
| 18:55.28 | si|vercat | Knight_Lord, yup |
| 18:55.32 | abrotman | hogballs: and the answer you want is in that refcard |
| 18:55.36 | Knight_Lord | si|vercat that's most conspicuous |
| 18:55.53 | si|vercat | Rambo3, yes.. but I've just installed them.. struggling a lot with ivtv.. |
| 18:56.32 | hogballs | why would you want to build your own package from the source instead of using the rpm |
| 18:56.35 | dupondje | how do i know the max PE size from a lvm ? :s |
| 18:56.45 | FieldySnuts | because rpm is lame |
| 18:56.46 | WOLF_z | I didn't ask WTF channel it was did I? |
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| 18:57.02 | asuffield | WOLF_z: you got told anyway. now go bother #freebsd instead |
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| 18:57.14 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:57.21 | hogballs | i think there shoud be a mount program that mounts your ntfs partitions for you |
| 18:57.33 | cast | how do i force apt-get to install a pkg, despite unfilled dependancys? |
| 18:57.45 | valdyn | cast: you don't |
| 18:57.46 | hogballs | read the instructions cast |
| 18:57.54 | Knight_Lord | cast you download the package and use dpkg |
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| 18:58.11 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 18:58.11 | dpkg | equivs is, like, a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 18:58.24 | abrotman | hogballs: you've got no room to talk |
| 18:58.33 | hogballs | abrotman haha? |
| 18:58.41 | hogballs | !haha |
| 18:58.41 | valdyn | cast: read what dpkg said but really, i think you might not want to do that. |
| 18:58.46 | jsn | I can watch C-SPAN again! Yahoo! |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | hogballs: not funn |
| 18:58.48 | abrotman | y |
| 18:58.57 | hogballs | dpkg thinks so |
| 18:58.58 | dpkg | hogballs: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 18:59.04 | hogballs | aww |
| 18:59.15 | cast | valdyn: its either do it or do without it, heh. |
| 18:59.32 | jsn | C-SPAN uses embedded RealPlayer, I look in the page, take out the URL, it won't load, but it leaves a /tmp/asfdac.ra file. I open realplayer with aoss and point it to that and it works. |
| 18:59.43 | Withdraw | in the debian installer main menu in sarge is doesnt have an option to create a boot disk |
| 18:59.54 | Withdraw | when it finishes installing it just says it has to reboot |
| 19:00.09 | pkern | Withdraw: There is an option IIRC. |
| 19:00.12 | pkern | Just hit Cancel. |
| 19:00.12 | Rambo3 | well i get http://www.desktop-linux.net/grub.htm |
| 19:00.25 | Rambo3 | on google search |
| 19:00.57 | anchovie | hello |
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| 19:01.23 | jetscreamer | Withdraw, or exc iirc |
| 19:01.26 | jetscreamer | err esc |
| 19:01.58 | anchovie | hey, I was wondering if anyone knew(could suggest) a distro to create a gateway/router out of a computer, and possible tutorials for doing so |
| 19:02.11 | jetscreamer | anchovie, distrowatch.com, there's a few |
| 19:02.19 | TinoW | anchovie: any will do :) |
| 19:02.33 | anchovie | what about tutorials to get it up and running |
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| 19:02.50 | jetscreamer | tldp.org possibley anchovie |
| 19:02.56 | anchovie | I'm pretty new to linux, so I think without one I would probably die |
| 19:03.07 | anchovie | thanks, I'll check it out |
| 19:03.17 | jetscreamer | anchovie, look in distrowatch.com |
| 19:03.24 | TinoW | yes, you need to learn and know a lot if it comes to routers and even firewalls |
| 19:03.28 | pkern | anchovie: You do not understand German, correct? |
| 19:03.41 | anchovie | nope... sorry |
| 19:04.05 | pkern | There is a German project called FLI4L which is a floppy disk based Linux routing system. |
| 19:04.18 | anchovie | hmmm |
| 19:04.24 | anchovie | I have a friend who knows german, heh |
| 19:04.28 | anchovie | maybe I'll talk to him |
| 19:04.29 | FieldySnuts | that's what I was thinking, something along the lines of freesco but I don't think that's maintained anymore, that was really nice |
| 19:04.33 | FieldySnuts | run on a single floppy |
| 19:04.35 | pkern | You configure it from a GUI on the Linux computer, write the floppy, boot from it and you're done. |
| 19:04.47 | Knight_Lord | anchovie http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/ enough said |
| 19:05.07 | anchovie | wow... sounds easy enough |
| 19:05.09 | FieldySnuts | actually, it looks like freesco is being maintained again, cool! |
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| 19:05.19 | FieldySnuts | http://www.freesco.org/ be sure and try that out |
| 19:05.26 | pkern | http://www.fli4l.de/german/download219.htm |
| 19:05.33 | FieldySnuts | heck try both, see what you like |
| 19:05.45 | valdyn | anchovie: the fli4l project site exists in english aswell, www.fli4l.de |
| 19:06.03 | anchovie | Knight_Lord: that's quite some documentation there |
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| 19:06.41 | pkern | If I want a CISCO router I would use GNU Zebra as a routing suite ;) Hell, I still need to learn bloody BGP. |
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| 19:07.19 | goron | Can anyone please help me with getting my mouse to work? |
| 19:07.40 | Knight_Lord | anchovie if you just want to put the thing running then a special purpose distribution like was pointed out might be better |
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| 19:08.14 | anchovie | yeah... not really, I need to maintain this network and make sure it's pretty secure, so understanding how it works would definetly be a plus |
| 19:08.31 | Knight_Lord | anchovie the documentation i pointed out are more or less the roots for how network works on linux and also mostly applicable to unix |
| 19:08.33 | TinoW | pkern: you could use quagga (sp?) too |
| 19:08.34 | goron | Does anyone have a MX310 working under X? |
| 19:08.36 | anchovie | right now, we have a linksys router, and it's starting to crack out on us |
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| 19:09.04 | Knight_Lord | anchovie how heavy is the traffic? |
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| 19:09.22 | Whiplash | Shell command to rename a file? |
| 19:09.27 | Jeo | I tried to uninstall kde, but it is not working? |
| 19:09.27 | anchovie | bleh... it's home network, it has about 10 to 15 computers on it |
| 19:09.31 | Jeo | how can i do it? |
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| 19:09.43 | WOLF_q | HOG Think that might be a good idea ,something like A pre GHOST HDD utility |
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| 19:09.50 | TinoW | anchovie: many rules or ipsec? |
| 19:09.51 | hogballs | why did they have to call it "PPTP" |
| 19:09.53 | pkern | TinoW: Hm... from the site it seems it's just Zebra forked with possibly a community? ;) |
| 19:09.59 | Morrowyn | goron , kick logitech in the groin for not supporting linux properly with manuals and stuff |
| 19:10.04 | Jeo | kde is working but it was just to test, now I would like to uninstall it |
| 19:10.13 | Whiplash | Anyone... looking to rename a file via shell..... |
| 19:10.15 | Jeo | someone knows how to uninstall the kde? |
| 19:10.19 | TinoW | pkern: yes, it was because zebra not accepting the patches |
| 19:10.25 | Morrowyn | apt-get remove ? |
| 19:10.45 | anchovie | I believe ipsec is on there, but we're using dhcp, and the computers in our network seem to like changing ips, so any rules we set stop having any pertinence after about a day |
| 19:10.47 | TinoW | Whiplash: man mv |
| 19:10.51 | Jeo | apt-get remove kde? because i did it and it is still there |
| 19:10.53 | Whiplash | thx |
| 19:11.00 | anchovie | I should static ip the computers |
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| 19:11.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge kde* |
| 19:11.13 | Jeo | ah.. |
| 19:11.18 | jetscreamer | kde is just a metapackage |
| 19:11.23 | TinoW | anchovie: you can also use dhcp to put static ips |
| 19:11.28 | pkern | TinoW: Hm ok... looking at the news it seems that they really integrated some stuff. Thanks (: |
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| 19:12.06 | anchovie | hmm... that would be interesting... how doesthat work? |
| 19:12.08 | Jeo | thanks jetscreamer |
| 19:12.11 | goron | Morrowyn: Are there companies that support Linux (in the mouse business)? |
| 19:12.12 | cadu | !tell me about mame |
| 19:12.14 | Jeo | I will try it out |
| 19:12.16 | cadu | !tell cadu about mame |
| 19:12.31 | cadu | !tell cadu about xmame |
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| 19:12.35 | paulswm | anchovie: dnsmasqis small, will act as a dhcp server and allow infinite leases on the IPs and also act as a local dns cache |
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| 19:12.42 | paulswm | dnsmasq |
| 19:12.43 | jetscreamer | Jeo, you'll probably still have a buncha k*kruft left over, you can remove it later with aptitude or synaptic or something |
| 19:13.24 | hogballs | can i post my error here? |
| 19:13.30 | Morrowyn | goron, dunno, i just config the X with my mouse either /dev/psauc or /dev/input/mice |
| 19:13.39 | jetscreamer | hogballs, #flood |
| 19:13.39 | Morrowyn | pasuac/psaux |
| 19:13.47 | hogballs | its only about 5 lines |
| 19:13.50 | valdyn | !usbmouse |
| 19:13.50 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X |
| 19:13.56 | WOLF_q | Y Not? |
| 19:13.59 | jetscreamer | hogballs, #flood |
| 19:14.08 | hogballs | what does that do? |
| 19:14.14 | hogballs | jetscreamer ? |
| 19:14.14 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.31 | Morrowyn | brb |
| 19:14.36 | anchovie | hmm... see, my problem really arrises from the fact that our network seems slow... I'd like to get rid of the router and put in a linux machine instead because it would seem like I would get more flexibility |
| 19:14.36 | jetscreamer | or paste your lines here... muhahahahha... |
| 19:14.40 | hogballs | how to overwrite a file using alien |
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| 19:14.50 | FieldySnuts | no, don't do that, it's sunday, you know we can't get the attention of ops here. |
| 19:14.51 | anchovie | not only that, our internet downloads are crap, but I blame the isp for that |
| 19:15.09 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# dpkg -i fglrx-4-3-0_8.10.19-2_i386.deb |
| 19:15.09 | hogballs | (Reading database ... 89337 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 19:15.09 | hogballs | Unpacking fglrx-4-3-0 (from fglrx-4-3-0_8.10.19-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 19:15.09 | hogballs | dpkg: error processing fglrx-4-3-0_8.10.19-2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 19:15.09 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:15.09 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, hogballs |
| 19:15.15 | jetscreamer | muhahaha.... |
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| 19:15.45 | jetscreamer | i TOLD you, but did you listen to me?? NOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 19:15.51 | jetscreamer | muhahahaha |
| 19:15.58 | hogballs | but that is in a nother room? |
| 19:16.01 | drac | hogballs: --force-overwrite |
| 19:16.02 | FieldySnuts | moron. |
| 19:16.03 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 19:16.13 | drac | hogballs: #ati |
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| 19:16.16 | FieldySnuts | HEHE |
| 19:16.19 | jetscreamer | !tell hogballs about paste |
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| 19:16.31 | Solak | ieks. fgrlx |
| 19:16.32 | cadu | !tell cadu about xmame |
| 19:16.44 | racoontje | Solak, they improved it! somewhat |
| 19:16.57 | takatumi | cadu: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:16.58 | FieldySnuts | sussudio is a convicted badger molestor! |
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| 19:17.13 | Withdraw | can someone send me their /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:17.15 | racoontje | FieldySnuts, think I'm in danger? |
| 19:17.20 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:17.21 | drac | Withdraw: run apt-setup |
| 19:17.26 | Solak | racoontje: since when? Last time I tried (october/november last year, 2004) it was quite problematic to install. |
| 19:17.33 | Withdraw | o kewl thanks drac |
| 19:17.36 | FieldySnuts | in Soviet Russia, badgers molest *you*! |
| 19:17.48 | racoontje | Solak, since ~1 month |
| 19:18.04 | WOLF_q | HogBalls What else WILL the drive Mount with? |
| 19:18.05 | valdyn | hogballs: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 19:18.11 | Solak | ah, then that's perhaps one of the less problematic issues regarding reinstall of debian. |
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| 19:18.22 | abrotman | what drive? |
| 19:18.22 | racoontje | It was never really problematic, at least not on Gentoo. The biggest problems it had were performance and lack of xorg support |
| 19:18.49 | racoontje | ATi x800 < GF4Ti, performance-wise |
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| 19:19.16 | FieldySnuts | ati is good hardware, it's just that outside of windows they pair it with shitty drivers, and in the end you're worse off |
| 19:19.28 | Solak | racoontje: I had a debian unstable, with vesa the system was awfull slow, and with the fgrlx it worked superfast. |
| 19:19.33 | nvz | my keyboard has a warning on it. |
| 19:19.42 | FieldySnuts | vesa is slow, it's supposed to be |
| 19:19.52 | abrotman | nvz: use cover when surfing porn ? |
| 19:19.52 | FieldySnuts | nvz: heh? |
| 19:19.54 | Solak | racoontje: but I'm not good in stuff with modules and things like that... |
| 19:19.55 | FieldySnuts | ..... |
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| 19:20.04 | racoontje | Solak, performance is crap with fglrx compared to nvidia... vesa is always slow |
| 19:20.08 | Solak | I rather avoid that. |
| 19:20.16 | abrotman | nvz: btw ... merlincorey has a girlfriend for you |
| 19:20.21 | FieldySnuts | uh oh. |
| 19:20.54 | nvz | yeah, well like right above the arrow keys... there is printed on the plastic case "WARNING: Some experts believe that use \n of any keyboard may cause serious injury. \n Consult Users Guide." |
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| 19:21.10 | FieldySnuts | wait, it has the \n ? |
| 19:21.12 | abrotman | nvz: i've seen that |
| 19:21.17 | nvz | FieldySnuts: newline |
| 19:21.21 | FieldySnuts | yeah i know what it is |
| 19:21.22 | Solak | racoontje: I must admit that vesa doesn't appear to be very slow with debian testing. |
| 19:21.26 | FieldySnuts | haha why is it in there, is it a joke? |
| 19:21.35 | WOLF_q | Are there firebrand drivers readily available out? |
| 19:21.39 | FieldySnuts | or did somebody screw up? |
| 19:21.39 | nvz | well its 3 lines on my keyboar |
| 19:21.47 | Solak | racoontje: on my old unstable box it is. and with fgrlx I don't have any performance problems either so far. |
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| 19:21.51 | FieldySnuts | heh. that's amusing |
| 19:21.53 | jetscreamer | he added the \n as a courtesy |
| 19:21.59 | nvz | its a small area between the enter and the KP_4 |
| 19:22.00 | racoontje | Solak, fglrx still sucks. |
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| 19:22.11 | hogballs | anyone want my ati 9600pro xt 256? |
| 19:22.14 | FieldySnuts | strongly agree with racoontje, from experience |
| 19:22.15 | Solak | racoontje: is there an alternative besides vesa? |
| 19:22.16 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 19:22.19 | FieldySnuts | hogballs: no, not really |
| 19:22.23 | jetscreamer | i'll take it |
| 19:22.26 | racoontje | Solak, let me put it this way: you have a choice between a $200 nVidia and a $200 ATi. Pick. |
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| 19:22.35 | jetscreamer | i have videoless k6-2 |
| 19:22.38 | nvz | anyhow.. I have nothing further to share// heh moving along... |
| 19:22.40 | abrotman | WOLF_q: do we look like a #askwhateverthefuckyouwant channel |
| 19:22.41 | hogballs | cause it dont work better than my ati mobile 8 meg card in my laptop |
| 19:22.49 | racoontje | jetscreamer, serial console? |
| 19:23.02 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: ignore him. only thing you can do since ops hide on sundays. |
| 19:23.09 | jetscreamer | nah, it just sits here till i do something with it... doorstop |
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| 19:23.20 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: EE was here earlier |
| 19:23.29 | Solak | racoontje: I gues I should go for nVidea? :) |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: maybe we should get more #debian ops .. |
| 19:23.38 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: haha. yeah right that'll happen. HEHE |
| 19:23.41 | WOLF_q | I'll take it my video sucks |
| 19:23.44 | WOLF_q | I'll take it my video sucks |
| 19:23.53 | WOLF_q | I'll take it my video sucks |
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| 19:23.55 | FieldySnuts | ati :( |
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| 19:23.59 | abrotman | WOLF_q: shut the fuck up |
| 19:24.03 | f- | what's the last debian release |
| 19:24.03 | jetscreamer | up arrow stuck? |
| 19:24.05 | nvz | I got a bonified clusterfuck in my configuration. I keep getting windows hidden behind other windows in the foreground |
| 19:24.07 | Solak | the card I originally selected was not available anymore. |
| 19:24.09 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: save your sanity; ignore. |
| 19:24.16 | jetscreamer | f-, the release is very old, but use d-i |
| 19:24.23 | jetscreamer | !tell f- about d-i |
| 19:24.25 | hogballs | ok i did a force install and itseems ok but here are the results over at #flood |
| 19:24.26 | WOLF_q | stupid cell client |
| 19:24.49 | abrotman | poor excuse |
| 19:24.51 | abrotman | stupid user |
| 19:25.03 | espen_ | I've got some problems with dependencies. Installed (or rather tried to install) a deb with dpkg, but it didnt have the dependencies. Now I can't install anything. It tells me to use apt-get -f install; but that would destroy the system :) Is there a way to "reset" apt so I don't have to do that? |
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| 19:25.05 | Opiated | what is the *best* file compression format to use? |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | !best |
| 19:25.10 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:25.32 | Opiated | over all |
| 19:25.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg -r -a or something ... damn i forgot |
| 19:25.35 | FieldySnuts | anyone for tennis? i don't remember that one |
| 19:25.37 | nvz | Opiated: bz2 is typically smaller filesize, though gzip is faster |
| 19:25.37 | espen_ | Opiated, That depends on what you are going to comress. |
| 19:25.42 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: Cream song for one |
| 19:25.44 | Opiated | just over all |
| 19:25.47 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 19:25.47 | dpkg | i guess fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 19:25.47 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I take it that we are assuming, for the sake of argument, that abrotman has sanity still to save |
| 19:25.51 | Opiated | which yeilds the best rates |
| 19:25.54 | Opiated | on binary files |
| 19:25.55 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: oh. |
| 19:25.58 | abrotman | paulswm: i do not |
| 19:26.03 | abrotman | mwilson: mexican food? |
| 19:26.04 | paulswm | Heh |
| 19:26.08 | zirikili | is there any debian package I could intall to hear online radios based on windows media player stream? |
| 19:26.09 | jetscreamer | binary files don't compress very well i thought |
| 19:26.16 | jetscreamer | zirikili, vlc |
| 19:26.20 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: could we get rid of WOLF_q , he keeps coming in here annoying us with freebsd questions |
| 19:26.22 | jetscreamer | mplayer xine |
| 19:26.26 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: i forget if you are op or not.. |
| 19:26.27 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: he can't do it |
| 19:26.29 | FieldySnuts | ;( |
| 19:26.32 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I'm not an op. |
| 19:26.35 | FieldySnuts | damn he SHOULD be op. that sucks |
| 19:26.37 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Page one. |
| 19:26.44 | mwilson | No, I most certainly should NOT be an op. |
| 19:26.47 | Opiated | I have also another question, the *.deb archives are for example 2mb in size, and when the uncompress they are like 8-10 mb sometimes, how did you guys achieve that compression |
| 19:26.48 | nvz | heh |
| 19:26.48 | jetscreamer | heh.... the chan would be next to empty if he was :) |
| 19:26.58 | zirikili | jetscreamer: do you mean I can use mplayer and open the radio url on it? |
| 19:26.58 | mwilson | PLEASE don't suggest that. |
| 19:27.05 | FieldySnuts | i know it'll piss people off but I like his attitude, i would LOVE him as an op |
| 19:27.09 | abrotman | mwilson would be feeding dpkg up with stuff about how each package maintainer is crazy :) |
| 19:27.10 | FieldySnuts | anyway ok |
| 19:27.11 | jetscreamer | zirikili, think so.. vlc and xine can i know |
| 19:27.13 | espen_ | thanks for dep problem. |
| 19:27.20 | zirikili | jetscreamer: thank you |
| 19:27.22 | espen_ | help .9 |
| 19:27.23 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: people can't handle the truth |
| 19:27.31 | Trewas | Opiated: bzip2 is better than gzip (concerning compression ratio), but even bzip2 is generally much worse than rar or 7zip |
| 19:27.39 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: let's get more ops! |
| 19:27.40 | FieldySnuts | uh that's not true. |
| 19:27.49 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: wasting your time even mentioning it. |
| 19:28.10 | Opiated | does *.ISO compress or does it just combine a bunch of files? |
| 19:28.12 | espen_ | bzip2 compresses best in my opinion...better than zip, rar, gzip, etc. |
| 19:28.15 | jetscreamer | 7zip is just a zip front end isn't it... for windows? |
| 19:28.17 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i dont' even care who it is .. but have a few more would be nice |
| 19:28.19 | FieldySnuts | Opiated: bunch of files |
| 19:28.22 | mwilson | Opiated: Neither. |
| 19:28.29 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think it's a format too .. .7z iirc |
| 19:28.31 | Opiated | not combine per se |
| 19:28.33 | Opiated | but u know |
| 19:28.33 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 19:28.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 19:28.36 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:28.38 | mwilson | Opiated: an ISO is a filesystem. |
| 19:28.40 | FieldySnuts | it creates an iso9660 filesystem. |
| 19:28.41 | Opiated | ah |
| 19:28.44 | FieldySnuts | it's not compressed |
| 19:28.48 | Opiated | here comes the great #debian sarcasm |
| 19:28.49 | Opiated | fuck this |
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| 19:28.54 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:29.03 | FieldySnuts | okay, I don't know what the hell he was talking about, but no big loss |
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| 19:29.07 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: !u |
| 19:29.12 | abrotman | i think |
| 19:29.13 | FieldySnuts | i can't do that |
| 19:29.23 | mwilson | It's sarcasm to accurately describe something? |
| 19:29.23 | abrotman | @u |
| 19:29.24 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 19:29.24 | FieldySnuts | he was mad over that? hah what a pansy! never survive in here. |
| 19:29.25 | chugga | !foss |
| 19:29.25 | dpkg | hmm... foss is Free and Open Source Software |
| 19:29.30 | paulswm | My vote is for mwilson to be an op because of his great common sense, however, I think the exercise of self restraint could do him permanent damage. |
| 19:29.31 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: apparently |
| 19:29.36 | chugga | should that AND be OR? |
| 19:29.41 | mwilson | paulswm: *drop* it. |
| 19:29.48 | abrotman | paulswm: i don't think we get to vote |
| 19:29.49 | FieldySnuts | free. |
| 19:29.51 | simonrvn | @u is also , or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:29.52 | ravenbird | okay, simonrvn |
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| 19:29.57 | paulswm | mwilson: Heh, just pulling your leg |
| 19:30.01 | TinoW | there is a compressed iso variant, isnt there? |
| 19:30.10 | FieldySnuts | yes, cloop i think |
| 19:30.11 | abrotman | iso.gz :) |
| 19:30.19 | asuffield | TinoW: not really |
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| 19:30.22 | espen_ | Hm.. Doesnt work: "libstdc++5: Depends on: gcc-3.3-base (>= 1:3.3.5-8) but 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5 is being installed." |
| 19:30.29 | FieldySnuts | it's how kn*ppix fits approxmiately 2.1GB of crap onto a 700MB cd |
| 19:30.31 | mwilson | espen_: #ubuntu |
| 19:30.32 | TinoW | abrotman: I mean one that can be burned to disc and actually just used ;) |
| 19:30.39 | witless | anyone know how the hell to add genealogical information to geneweb? |
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| 19:30.41 | abrotman | TinoW: cheater :) |
| 19:30.48 | Zapan | francais? |
| 19:30.48 | asuffield | FieldySnuts: that's just stashing compressed files in a regular filesystem |
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| 19:30.59 | TinoW | abrotman: at least there is this option in the kernel... |
| 19:31.03 | espen_ | mwilson, It's not Ubuntu specific. It's dpkg specific. :) |
| 19:31.09 | FieldySnuts | asuffield: that was what I was told, i'm not so intimate with knoppix as you are ;D |
| 19:31.12 | abrotman | espen_: #ubuntu |
| 19:31.17 | mwilson | espen_: No, it's Ubuntu specific. |
| 19:31.17 | FieldySnuts | espen_: go away. |
| 19:31.32 | FieldySnuts | trust us, we're being nice about it at this point |
| 19:31.35 | paulswm | espen_: you don't want to go there, this is debian specific support |
| 19:31.47 | espen_ | FieldySnuts, Thanks. |
| 19:31.49 | simonrvn | @wud |
| 19:31.50 | ravenbird | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 19:31.53 | simonrvn | @u |
| 19:31.53 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:31.54 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:32.07 | asuffield | FieldySnuts: I've never touched knoppix. but what cloop will do is to let you mount a gzipped file on a loopback device |
| 19:32.11 | FieldySnuts | what's the one that ends something like "if you can't be bothered to spell, we can't be bothered to help" |
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| 19:32.18 | simonrvn | dunno how hard it is to do s/!/@/ when editing something... |
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| 19:32.22 | mwilson | !moron |
| 19:32.22 | dpkg | somebody said moron was someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg" |
| 19:32.32 | asuffield | FieldySnuts: if knoppix uses that, it'll just have some foo.gz stuff on the disk which it then mounts |
| 19:32.32 | simonrvn | @listvals spell |
| 19:32.35 | abrotman | dpkg: what you say! |
| 19:32.36 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't a clue |
| 19:32.36 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'spell' by value (20 shown; 88 total): 313373 ;; 3th ;; bats ;; communicator-nethelp ;; communicator-spellchk ;; communicator-spellchk-406 ;; communicator-spellchk-45 ;; cool ;; ctte ;; debien ;; dog ;; evol ;; homo ;; lamer ;; leenuchs ;; metre ;; r00t ;; reiserfs ;; rhamphoryncus ;; thats. |
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| 19:32.43 | Withdraw | whats the command to delete something? |
| 19:32.50 | Morrowyn | man rm |
| 19:32.50 | paulswm | Withdraw: rm |
| 19:32.51 | abrotman | delete something? |
| 19:32.53 | mwilson | Withdraw: From? |
| 19:32.54 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 19:32.56 | Withdraw | lol kewl thanks |
| 19:32.59 | Morrowyn | try rm -rf / |
| 19:33.01 | abrotman | lol kewl ? |
| 19:33.01 | TinoW | asuffield: while I wonder - there is a compression encryption module, but aparently it does not handle gzipped files |
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| 19:33.05 | Morrowyn | that will delete something |
| 19:33.07 | dupondje | how do i know the max PE size from a lvm ? :s |
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| 19:33.12 | abrotman | Morrowyn: that's not nice |
| 19:33.15 | mwilson | Someone remove Morrowyn, please. |
| 19:33.20 | paulswm | Withdraw is learning Linux slowly but well |
| 19:33.25 | FieldySnuts | and WOLF_q, and hogballs |
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| 19:33.36 | hogballs | ? |
| 19:33.37 | espen_ | hello...I do actually know what I am talking about. and it IS not ubuntu specific. but I will of course ask the #ubuntu people if you don't want to help me :) well...thanks anyway. have a nice day! |
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| 19:33.49 | paulswm | Withdraw: ingore Morrowyn's advice |
| 19:33.51 | abrotman | espen_: it is |
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| 19:33.55 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: actually that's a violation of freenode rules, he can be banned from the entire network over it. and i've seen it happen. |
| 19:33.57 | mwilson | espen_: And, of course, it actually IS Ubuntu-specific, so why don't you go ask them? |
| 19:34.01 | sepski | removed discover1 and installed discover instead, then purged and reinstalled alsa-base alsa-utils now sound works after a reboot |
| 19:34.07 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: our buddy Morrowyn is telling people to rm -rf / . |
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| 19:34.48 | simonrvn | @lart Morrowyn |
| 19:34.50 | Knight_Lord | Is there way i can watch an mms:// stuff on linux? |
| 19:34.52 | simonrvn | !lart Morrowyn |
| 19:35.05 | TinoW | Whiplash: I actually lerned unix by using "cd", "ls" until I discovered "whatis", so in short, cd /bin, then ls there and use whatis <filename> there |
| 19:35.07 | chugga | Knight_Lord, xine, mplaer, etc, |
| 19:35.23 | paulswm | hogballs: re your '?', you have some bad karma to overcome from yesterday, I suspect |
| 19:35.28 | sepski | TinoW, man was a big breakthru |
| 19:35.39 | abrotman | hasn't been much better today either |
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| 19:35.45 | abrotman | yay . one dumb ass gone |
| 19:35.46 | FieldySnuts | apparently it's just as hard to get a channel op as a freenode op on sunday |
| 19:35.53 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: problem is he keeps coming back. |
| 19:35.58 | TinoW | sepski: well, you can always use man, but it does not help much if you just wont to get an idea about what all this is |
| 19:36.04 | TinoW | want |
| 19:36.10 | paulswm | Might as well try to get an audience with HMQE2 |
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| 19:36.23 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: yes .. well .. i do know that one of our ops is on vacation .. so .. |
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| 19:36.28 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that leaves like 3 others :) |
| 19:36.33 | mwilson | Isn't that HRHQE2? |
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| 19:36.44 | espen_ | mwilson, No. Because I installed a dpkg file that conflicted with something else that was installed. I just want to reset apt so it stops asking me for that dependency for that package that is not even installed.... Well whatever... |
| 19:36.53 | gentgeen_ | can anyone tell me why debian has /cdrom and not /mnt/cdrom -- any particular reason behind it? |
| 19:37.01 | Knight_Lord | chugga do i need any special plugins? because i'm not getting much success |
| 19:37.03 | simonrvn | because |
| 19:37.06 | asuffield | there's eight people on the list who are around here regularly, not three :P |
| 19:37.06 | abrotman | espen_: once you go ubunuto .. you can't come back :) |
| 19:37.09 | abrotman | ubuntu |
| 19:37.10 | paulswm | mwilson: HRH is a Crown Prince(ss), HM, or acutally HRM, is the monarch |
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| 19:37.23 | abrotman | asuffield: i don't know how you count regularly |
| 19:37.30 | chugga | Knight_Lord, you probably need some plugins yeah, depending on what you are streaming in, |
| 19:37.39 | demonsdread | can you tell me what should i type to remove all the alsa and oss files and their configuration files so i can start all over |
| 19:37.48 | abrotman | asuffield: in the channel yes .. but actually paying attention is another thing |
| 19:37.53 | gentgeen_ | simonrvn, thanks <GRIN> |
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| 19:37.59 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: or giving a shit. |
| 19:38.03 | espen_ | abrotman, I am a regular Debian user too. :) And it's 99% the same for gods sak. |
| 19:38.07 | abrotman | asuffield: erm .. paying attention enough to notice when someone calls for htem |
| 19:38.09 | asuffield | abrotman: <shrug> that's always highly variable. there's no attempt made to provide 24 hour coverage |
| 19:38.13 | abrotman | espen_: it's that 1% :) |
| 19:38.16 | mwilson | espen_: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 19:38.30 | espen_ | You guys are hopeless. |
| 19:38.36 | abrotman | asuffield: how many have you seen this weekend ? |
| 19:38.40 | FieldySnuts | espen_: IF YOU ARE USING UBUNTU, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG FUCKING CHANNEL. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. |
| 19:38.42 | gentgeen_ | anyone know, if I changed it in /etc/fstab, would that mess with anything debian specific (i.e. apt, gnome, etc) |
| 19:38.43 | abrotman | espen_: we are |
| 19:38.48 | mwilson | No, we simply don't care at all about Ubuntu. |
| 19:38.54 | mwilson | At least I don't. |
| 19:39.02 | paulswm | espen_: It's the 1% between the other primates and humans, too |
| 19:39.03 | abrotman | mwilson: we know you care ... |
| 19:39.07 | asuffield | abrotman: I haven't been strictly counting, but I think six |
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| 19:39.22 | demonsdread | i installed alsa with apt-get. Does "apt-get remove" removes all requirements of alsa and config. files? |
| 19:39.22 | abrotman | asuffield: i've seen 3 |
| 19:39.23 | espen_ | paulswm, Good one ;) |
| 19:39.25 | mwilson | abrotman: I care about lots of things, but, having tried it, Ubuntu isn't one of them. |
| 19:39.27 | paulswm | espen_: :D |
| 19:39.42 | chugga | did he try #ubuntu? |
| 19:39.44 | abrotman | mwilson: heh .. do you feel cheated you lost a blank CD ? :) |
| 19:39.44 | gentgeen_ | anyone know, if I changed the CD-ROM mount point in /etc/fstab, would that mess with anything debian specific (i.e. apt, gnome, etc) |
| 19:39.52 | mwilson | abrotman: CD-RW. |
| 19:39.58 | abrotman | mwilson: ah .. good for you |
| 19:40.01 | FieldySnuts | it's not a caring issue at all. this is #debian not #stuff-almost-debian , that's all it comes down to for gods sake |
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| 19:40.05 | espen_ | chugga, I am in there now. |
| 19:40.28 | FieldySnuts | you see the reasoning he's using is if they can't answer his question, or are idle, or whatever, that automatically means #* is the right place. |
| 19:40.38 | mwilson | espen_: Now you know why mixing packages from $RANDOM_DISTRIBUTION with Ubuntu isn't a good idea. |
| 19:40.41 | FieldySnuts | no ammount of reasoning can get past it. |
| 19:41.58 | espen_ | mwilson, Very true ;-) |
| 19:42.12 | mwilson | I actually met someone the other day who was trying to mix Crappix packages with Ubuntu. |
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| 19:42.29 | chugga | crappix? |
| 19:42.32 | abrotman | knoppix |
| 19:42.39 | chugga | knoppix doesnt have package, does it? |
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| 19:42.51 | mwilson | It does. |
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| 19:43.01 | chugga | mwilson, i dont think so, it uses debs if thats what you mean, |
| 19:43.02 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: the only good thing that comes out of such attempts, is that you quickly find out who the completely clueless and completly un-helpable are, and you can run / ignore them real fast. |
| 19:43.19 | paulswm | A cloud is 100% water, a water melon is 99% water, so it should be OK to ask about growing watermelons in a weather channel by some folks' reasoning |
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| 19:43.23 | FieldySnuts | problem is there are so many of them |
| 19:43.30 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: hehe nice |
| 19:43.43 | espen_ | mwilson, $RANDOM_DISTRIBUTION is Debian btw :) |
| 19:43.51 | FieldySnuts | ... |
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| 19:44.10 | abrotman | espen_: not even close .. and you shold run .. fast now |
| 19:44.15 | espen_ | actually the best channel for this question would be #dpkg or #apt-get :) |
| 19:44.22 | chugga | im pretty sure a cloud other thnings to, havent you heard of acid rain? :P |
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| 19:44.26 | abrotman | espen_: is Mandrake Redhat .. how about suse? |
| 19:44.30 | mwilson | espen_: So? |
| 19:44.33 | abrotman | but they all use RPM |
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| 19:45.05 | streuner____ | It that even a good thing to discuss? |
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| 19:45.13 | FieldySnuts | no, but it's sunday, so it's on-par. |
| 19:45.17 | paulswm | I blame the distribution builders, they make some sort of shitty 5-package distro like Mepis (a lethal mix of testing/unstable), print DEBIAN-BASED all over it so their victims will come here and they don't have to support them, even supposing they could |
| 19:45.52 | FieldySnuts | indeed. hell, knoppix had it's irc clients come to this channel by default for a while. |
| 19:45.55 | FieldySnuts | jerks |
| 19:45.55 | mwilson | Crappix users never seem to be able to figure it out... they put Crappix on their HD, they have a problem, they go to #crappix, and can't seem to understand that the lack of clue there should be a warning flag. |
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| 19:46.26 | mwilson | It's like, why would anyone in their right mind visit linuxquestions.org other than for the comedy value? |
| 19:46.35 | maher | mwilson: xchat in knoppix used to default to joining #debian - I odn't think it does anymore |
| 19:46.44 | paulswm | Yes, consideration of support should be part of anybody's evaluation of software, and not just Linux distros. |
| 19:46.48 | jetscreamer | kanotix > knoppix |
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| 19:47.00 | jetscreamer | esp for support |
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| 19:47.18 | abrotman | !nap |
| 19:47.18 | dpkg | somebody said nap was a command line napster client, at http://www.gis.net/~nite , also check out http://opennap.sourceforge.net/, or is now open source finally, or you may want to try TekNap instead, or a short period of sleep |
| 19:47.32 | mwilson | Nap is still around? |
| 19:47.34 | chugga | all i know is when some patriot is posting things like "knoppix is a way of installing debian" no one complains then, |
| 19:47.43 | chugga | (on forums like slashdot) |
| 19:47.45 | FieldySnuts | that's true |
| 19:47.58 | abrotman | chugga: some people do |
| 19:48.10 | espen_ | thing is this could be on _any_ Debian based distro. it's a general apt question. what would be better than going to the channel to the distro that created apt? |
| 19:48.13 | mwilson | chugga: Yes, but no one gives a damn about slashcrap. Anyone who takes slashcrap seriously deserves whatever happens to them. |
| 19:48.16 | chugga | abrotman, thats possible, but they probably get modded down |
| 19:48.18 | abrotman | and well .. i guess you could start knoppix then use debootstrap ... |
| 19:48.19 | FieldySnuts | but probably because it's well understood that trying to correct a slashdotter is a waste of time, in the same manner of trying to convince an ubuntu infected user that this is the wrong channel |
| 19:48.22 | maher | chugga: you can install debian from knoppix using debootstrap - |
| 19:48.22 | abrotman | but whatever |
| 19:48.28 | asuffield | it doesn't really matter what knoppix does by default, because a long time ago I set a forwarding ban against the default username that sends them directly to #knoppix |
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| 19:48.41 | mwilson | No, it's not a "general apt question". It's an "espen screwed up" question. |
| 19:48.42 | chugga | mwilson, i think slashdot has a big effect on these sorts of things, whether or not it should is another matter :) |
| 19:48.46 | asuffield | so anybody who just whacks the button to start xchat will wind up there regardless |
| 19:48.49 | DaFresh | anyone have some trouble to open an X session with kdm since last upgrade , |
| 19:48.51 | DaFresh | ? |
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| 19:49.06 | FieldySnuts | asuffield: only fair, they did it without asking, you do it without asking. |
| 19:49.08 | paulswm | espen_: When you have a shell question, or a *nix utilities question, do you ask ATT Bell Labs? |
| 19:49.09 | DaFresh | last upgrade / last night ... under sid |
| 19:49.10 | streuner | asuffield: good idea :-) |
| 19:49.23 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: heh that one just went a few miles over his head. |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | paulswm: duh .. sco :) |
| 19:49.44 | FieldySnuts | anyway you guys are trying to use reason on an ubuntu user. _you are wasting your time_, read that again. |
| 19:49.57 | mwilson | espen_: And rather than asking "how do I fix <X>", you've decided what you want to ask is "how do I do <Y>", thinking it's the solution for <X>. But it's not. |
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| 19:50.11 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Worth a try, evidently I couldn't hit a barn door :) |
| 19:50.16 | streuner | asuffield: but they come back, because often there are to many idlers there ;-) |
| 19:50.18 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: it's not you, it's him. |
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| 19:50.44 | chugga | ok so knoppix sucks. my question is this, why isnt there an official debian live cd? that'd be a happy medium for most of us, no? |
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| 19:50.57 | asuffield | streuner: <shrug> that's active stupidity, not merely whacking a likely looking button and getting sent to the wrong place |
| 19:51.02 | abrotman | chugga: why should there be? |
| 19:51.06 | roo9 | anyone know if it's possible with RRDTool to add DS's to an already created RRD? |
| 19:51.06 | paulswm | chugga: Why? |
| 19:51.11 | mwilson | chugga: Don't know... if you think there should be one, why aren't you creating one? Oh, that's right... someone ELSE should do it. |
| 19:51.21 | SsDD | can anyone plz help mount a memory stick in debian sarge... fdisk -l command doesnt work... thx =) |
| 19:51.21 | igraltist | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.28 | chugga | abrotman, i dont if there should, but if theres demand for it .. how can it hurt to provide it. a live cd is a pretty cool thing |
| 19:51.31 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: not to mention, somebody else should support it. |
| 19:51.45 | paulswm | mwilson: No, beucase then it would be 'chuggalinux' and they'd all be in here asking questions |
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| 19:51.46 | mwilson | chugga: *I* certainly don't think there should be one, but I should waste my time creating one because you think there should be one? |
| 19:51.52 | FieldySnuts | there's a demand for sarge to be out, it's not. why? because devs are already hammered to bits trying to solve the rc bugs. |
| 19:51.53 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 19:52.04 | streuner | asuffield: many people thinking knoppix is based on debian and they could get help here |
| 19:52.04 | FieldySnuts | they're busting their ass. |
| 19:52.16 | maher | SsDD: does it show up in cat /proc/partition |
| 19:52.16 | espen_ | mwilson, Nope. But I don't expect that you created Debian. But I do expect that you know how to operate an apt system. |
| 19:52.21 | FieldySnuts | my point, debian doesn't need more stuff to support. it's got it's plate quite overfull. |
| 19:52.25 | jetscreamer | theyre taling about w2k in #ubuntu |
| 19:52.29 | abrotman | chugga: there are lots of live CDs .. and debian afaik . has never had a goal of a livecd .. and i don't blame them . i think it's silly |
| 19:52.30 | SsDD | maher: nop :( |
| 19:52.34 | mwilson | A live CD is generally a pretty useless thing. |
| 19:52.41 | abrotman | chugga: install it on a dumb machine .. or make space |
| 19:52.44 | jetscreamer | kanotix is a good livecd |
| 19:52.44 | chugga | mwilson, it would mean those who come in here because they used one of those live distros because its debian based would have an alternative, plus livecds are great for trying and installing when you are ready |
| 19:52.46 | abrotman | don't just go half ass |
| 19:52.47 | maher | SsDD: what version of debian and kernel |
| 19:52.47 | FieldySnuts | espen_: congratulations, you've managed to miss every single point anyone here has tried to make to you. |
| 19:52.50 | mwilson | Creating them uses resources generally far more useful elsewhere. |
| 19:52.52 | binarydigit | mwilson: um its the best thing for recovery |
| 19:52.53 | jetscreamer | with support even |
| 19:53.00 | streuner | asuffield: so we have to live with it... |
| 19:53.02 | abrotman | chugga: no .. they aren't |
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| 19:53.14 | abrotman | binarydigit: i disagree |
| 19:53.16 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: exactly |
| 19:53.24 | mwilson | binarydigit: Un, no, a rescue disc specially created for the job is "the best thing for recovery". |
| 19:53.27 | abrotman | a grub floppy worked better than every livecd i tried |
| 19:53.27 | ribnitz | How big does my display need to be to support a 2x2 grid of xterms? |
| 19:53.34 | espen_ | FieldySnuts, I do get it. But I don't get your hostility. |
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| 19:53.37 | paulswm | espen_: Are you familiar with the concept of triage? As you know, it gets very busy here, so triage stage 1 is if you're not running debian and asking a debian specific question, go to your distro's support |
| 19:53.44 | abrotman | ribnitz: make the xterms smaller! |
| 19:53.44 | ribnitz | 19" does not cut it |
| 19:53.46 | binarydigit | mwilson: being able to go online and everything is alot more powerful then a rescue disk |
| 19:53.48 | FieldySnuts | espen_: in the same way, we don't get your complete lack of common sense. |
| 19:53.49 | mwilson | binarydigit: A live CD like Crappix, containing everything including the kitchen sink, is hardly the best thing for it. |
| 19:53.51 | jetscreamer | i can't get grub to make me a boot floppy :/ |
| 19:53.52 | abrotman | ribnitz: increase your resolution |
| 19:53.55 | SsDD | maher: Linux joao-pc 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Thu Dec 30 18:13:12 JST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:53.59 | binarydigit | mwilson: so dont boot into the gui |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | espen_: because yu're one out of 1000 today |
| 19:54.09 | FieldySnuts | espen_: you are not a debian user, and you are here wasting debians support resources. that is why we are hostile. |
| 19:54.10 | mwilson | binarydigit: So don't use it in the first place. |
| 19:54.10 | ribnitz | abrotman: thats an LCD, only one meaningful res. |
| 19:54.20 | abrotman | ribnitz: well ... that's your call |
| 19:54.22 | jetscreamer | http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 19:54.37 | maher | SsDD: do you have hotplug installed |
| 19:54.40 | mwilson | Ultimate Boot CD is ok, I like sysrescuecd myself. |
| 19:54.49 | jetscreamer | that's my other link :) |
| 19:54.51 | espen_ | FieldySnuts, Ok. I'm sorry. Really sorry. Goes to all of you ;-) Have a nice day. |
| 19:55.02 | jetscreamer | AHA |
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| 19:55.12 | FieldySnuts | shit, that's like half the people talking right now.. |
| 19:55.13 | mwilson | Sysrescuecd's problem is that it's Gentoo-based, so you have to deal with the crap that is a Gentoo kernel. |
| 19:55.14 | nnk | AHA |
| 19:55.18 | nnk | :) |
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| 19:55.23 | CyzarX | how to specify epson c43ux to use only black ink? why is the support in cups so LOUSY?! |
| 19:55.30 | jetscreamer | i thought you were a girl... (not that it matters) |
| 19:55.38 | chugga | you guys probably dont remember what it was like when you first installed a distro, had it fail configuring your hardware properly, then being dropped on a terminal with no clue, .. getting a working system straight away in a plus, imho |
| 19:55.40 | SsDD | maher: no, but i think that doesnt have nothing to do about it |
| 19:55.45 | binarydigit | mwilson: you sound like debian is god and everything else sucks type of person |
| 19:55.46 | abrotman | espen_: really .. try not to take it to heart .. but we really get dozens/hundreds of people a day who think that <based-on-debian> is debian |
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| 19:55.52 | abrotman | espen_: and in reality .. it is not |
| 19:55.53 | FieldySnuts | binarydigit: good. it is. |
| 19:56.07 | abrotman | binarydigit: that's true :) |
| 19:56.08 | mwilson | chugga: Sure I do. I also remember what I did about it. |
| 19:56.19 | chugga | mwilson, what did you do? |
| 19:56.20 | mwilson | chugga: That's why I have so little sympathy for most people. |
| 19:56.21 | maher | chugga: i remember using slackware for a year before I knew what irc was |
| 19:56.22 | slackd00d | binarydigit, debian is god =) |
| 19:56.32 | FieldySnuts | chugga: all I head to do was know how to read. and follow instructions. big deal. |
| 19:56.33 | chugga | mwilson, we can see that, hehe :) |
| 19:56.34 | gandy909 | how do I change how many loop devices are available? |
| 19:56.35 | FieldySnuts | s/head/had/ |
| 19:56.43 | nnk | espen_: either way you look at it, one think is for sure: you wont get any help here tonight |
| 19:56.50 | FieldySnuts | did it take 5 minutes the first time I used linux? no of course not. |
| 19:56.51 | maher | SsDD: try installing hotplug and see if it helps |
| 19:56.55 | abrotman | nnk: nor should he |
| 19:56.59 | jetscreamer | gandy909, iirc you set that when you compile the kernel, there may be a diff way or i'm wrong though. |
| 19:57.02 | FieldySnuts | like anything you start out doing you learn, and then learn better. |
| 19:57.02 | nnk | so i can't realy understand why you keep to it |
| 19:57.07 | mwilson | binarydigit: Debian is the only decent Linux distribution, that's true enough. |
| 19:57.13 | ribnitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.22 | nnk | abrotman: that is another issue, and is not linked to my dillema ;) |
| 19:57.23 | jetscreamer | maybe i read about it when i did the config |
| 19:57.28 | jetscreamer | in help |
| 19:57.33 | nnk | some ppl, i really can't understand.. |
| 19:57.38 | nnk | is it revenge?.. |
| 19:57.40 | nnk | ;/ |
| 19:57.56 | espen_ | nnk, :D Yeah I doubt that. At least not with this problem. Perhaps if I get some problems with my Debian box though (not probably). :-) |
| 19:57.58 | CyzarX | how to specify epson c43ux to use only black ink? why is the support in cups so LOUSY?! |
| 19:58.01 | chugga | ribnitz, right, then you play something on xmms, open a site on firefox and click the hd-install script .. fill in a few things and let it install with your current settings intact while you do something else, |
| 19:58.12 | SsDD | maher: "hotplug is already the newest version." ;) |
| 19:58.15 | BucWheat | hrmm... apache 1.3 or 2.0... decisions decisions... |
| 19:58.20 | mwilson | I still have the CD around here somewhere. |
| 19:58.33 | maher | SsDD: when you plug / unplug the card do you see anything in the logs? |
| 19:58.39 | espen_ | Have a nice sunday everyone! |
| 19:58.44 | FieldySnuts | BucWheat: mess with both, depending on how you view things, you might find one better over the oter. |
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| 19:58.49 | nnk | espen_: it is simple: ppl here do not want to waste their time trying to guess what thing is debian and what not on your debian based distro, which you cannot really hold against them |
| 19:58.54 | ribnitz | chugga: And you honestly tell me that such a person would be incapable of inserting a cd, and answering a few simple questions? |
| 19:59.03 | paulswm | espen_: you too, nothing personal of course |
| 19:59.06 | nnk | so the sensible thing to do, would be to say thank you and quit bugging them |
| 19:59.10 | FieldySnuts | scripts heh. |
| 19:59.30 | FieldySnuts | nnk: he's had it explained to him countless times over the past hour. it doesn't work. |
| 19:59.35 | SsDD | maher: were's the log? :$ |
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| 19:59.42 | BucWheat | FieldySnuts i've used 1.x series since the dawn of the ages kind of afraid to try 2.0 heh |
| 19:59.49 | chugga | ribnitz, its a daunting experience though for someone new, its much more comforting to know that upon reboot from a hd-install your system will be the same, only faster and more writable |
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| 19:59.59 | goron | I just recompiled my kernel, so that it has events (evdev) as a module, but I still can't find my mouse. |
| 20:00.03 | maher | SsDD: /var/log/daemon.log, syslog, kern.log |
| 20:00.04 | nnk | FieldySnuts: yes, i noticed. your quite a fierce cat, arent you ;) |
| 20:00.11 | mwilson | Personally, I think the *nix community would be much better served if Crappix removed its hd-install script. |
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| 20:00.21 | FieldySnuts | BucWheat: not much is different. personally I found it a little better laid out, not to mention the documentation is better, just feels better all around. not much is different on the configuration side. |
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| 20:00.37 | goron | Where is your usb mouse device file located? |
| 20:00.41 | BucWheat | FieldySnuts cool. well i'm apt-getting apache2 now |
| 20:00.53 | SsDD | maher: Feb 20 19:24:56 localhost insmod: insmod: insmod usb-storage failed |
| 20:00.54 | FieldySnuts | if you've set up 1.3, you can easily set up 2 |
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| 20:01.07 | ribnitz | chugga: And If I tell you it will? |
| 20:01.12 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: He doesn't know either one. |
| 20:01.23 | FieldySnuts | oh okay, won't really matter then, personal preferance |
| 20:01.26 | FieldySnuts | rence |
| 20:01.28 | paulswm | mwilson: problem is then people will try to install it anyway, which is prolly why they built the script. I guess at least the dumber ones won't be able to, so Darwinism of sorts |
| 20:01.32 | maher | SsDD: try modprobe usb-storage and see if it gives a more useful error |
| 20:01.34 | squarris | Hi, I am trying to track down problems with boot messages I am getting. Everything seems to work ok but I get a number of mount messages saying wrong fs at boot. I can't find them in any of my logs though. |
| 20:01.38 | mwilson | paulswm: Exactly. |
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| 20:02.11 | nnk | squarris: run dmesg and check what are the devices/mount points w the errors |
| 20:02.14 | el` | squarris: dmesg |
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| 20:02.44 | alfatau | hi, i just installed apache2 webserver. can u tell me what may i edit to change the root website directory which now is setted to /var/www/apache2-default? i looked at apache2.conf and httpd.conf, but i didn't found the configuration settings. can u help me?? |
| 20:02.48 | ugexe | how can i recursively go through all folder and files in a certain folder to delete a certain file name |
| 20:03.02 | SsDD | maher: Feb 20 19:58:14 localhost hal.hotplug[9957]: could not get mountpoint for sysfs |
| 20:03.04 | SsDD | Feb 20 19:58:17 localhost usb.agent[9958]: libgphoto2: loaded successfully |
| 20:03.06 | macondo | hi all, i need to increase the size of the fonts in the menus of Openbox, the files to edit do no appear in Sarge |
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| 20:03.21 | FieldySnuts | heh hal. |
| 20:03.24 | TinoW | alfatau: this is included vom /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
| 20:03.26 | SsDD | maher: Feb 20 19:58:14 localhost kernel: usb.c: USB device 4 (vend/prod 0x3f0/0x6b02) is not claimed by any active driver. |
| 20:03.28 | TinoW | from |
| 20:03.30 | squarris | I have run dmesg but there are no errors shown which correspond to the boot messages I am getting |
| 20:03.40 | mwilson | macondo: Except that they do, of course. |
| 20:04.01 | maher | SsDD: can you modprobe usb-storage? |
| 20:04.06 | chealer | squarris: do they appear very early or more at the end? |
| 20:04.06 | paulswm | alfatau: apt-get install the fine apache-doc package laso :) |
| 20:04.06 | macondo | mwilson: i'll check again with 'locate' |
| 20:04.09 | mwilson | alfatau: Actually reading the documentation for Apache and learning how it works isn't a good idea? |
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| 20:04.15 | mwilson | macondo: You do that. |
| 20:04.17 | decklin | squarris: then you need to write down the messages. also, look in /etc/fstab for anything funny |
| 20:04.20 | paulswm | alfatau: sry, apache2-doc |
| 20:04.21 | alfatau | TinoW: thank you |
| 20:04.32 | SsDD | maher: doesnt work in terminal (root nor user) |
| 20:04.34 | mwilson | macondo: Or do you think Openbox is configuring itself magically? |
| 20:04.40 | maher | SsDD: what error |
| 20:04.54 | squarris | chealer: they appear early on and i get them multiple times. i am booting from an initrd image. |
| 20:05.03 | SsDD | maher: it doesnt give any... :| |
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| 20:05.10 | chealer | squarris: sorry I don't know |
| 20:05.26 | macondo | mwilson: i googled for it and found the answer when i try to open the file it doesn't exist, stop assuming. |
| 20:05.29 | maher | SsDD: then it worked |
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| 20:05.53 | mwilson | macondo: I use Openbox, I know quite well how it works, thank you. |
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| 20:06.19 | karamelos | can you tell me which command returns domain name data? I can't remember! |
| 20:06.22 | SsDD | maher: in /media/ there's no usb stuff :( |
| 20:06.24 | maher | SsDD: look at the USB device 4 (vend/prod 0x3f0/0x6b02) error - i think this means the kernel doesn't know what driver to use |
| 20:06.26 | paulswm | squarris: check your /etc/fstab and make sure that it is all correct |
| 20:06.27 | macondo | mwilson: do you use sarge or sid? |
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| 20:06.50 | Duzchip | Heya, anyone mind helping me please? |
| 20:06.52 | SsDD | maher: but i can only find windowz drivers for that :s |
| 20:07.05 | Duzchip | I wanna add some unstable and testing -sources to my source.list but i dont know how and which adresses |
| 20:07.06 | el` | Duzchip: sure, i can fix your problem, that is... if I knew what it was. :D |
| 20:07.12 | el` | :P |
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| 20:07.17 | nSe | hello everyone: i've mounted my xp partition with mount, but it seems that it's read-only filesystem, how can i change that, so i'm able to send some files there? |
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| 20:07.36 | chealer | nSe: it is ntfs? |
| 20:07.37 | gandy909 | what do you do with the debian-update-3.0r4-i386-(1|2).iso's??? |
| 20:07.40 | FieldySnuts | nSe: is it ntfs? if so, you're pretty much stuck. don't let anybody tell you there is a such thing as ntfs writing. |
| 20:07.42 | ribnitz | what would you propose as a solution to rip/encode/tag cds to ogg files? |
| 20:07.45 | Duzchip | el`: now you do :D |
| 20:07.46 | FieldySnuts | nSe: if it's vfat, well, then we could work with that |
| 20:07.51 | el` | Duzchip: mmhmm ;) |
| 20:07.51 | mwilson | macondo: Does it matter? Sarge and Sid have the same Openbox package. |
| 20:08.04 | Duzchip | el`: now fix it ;P |
| 20:08.04 | maher | SsDD: i don't know what driver to use - there should be one tho - i would have thought usb-mass torage whouldwork |
| 20:08.07 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: abcde |
| 20:08.10 | squarris | i have checked out /etc/fstab and mount and they both show /dev/hda2 mounted as root partition all looks good but /proc/mounts shows /dev2/root2 |
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| 20:08.35 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: I am using that, but found no way of specifying ogg "level" |
| 20:08.36 | el` | Duzchip: If you're using official repositories, you can just change whatever is there to fit your need, testing -> stable -> unstable , whatever |
| 20:08.38 | macondo | mwilson: like i said, i'll check again, i didn't they use the same package. |
| 20:08.48 | paulswm | karamelos: whois, or host for the IP addy |
| 20:08.57 | Duzchip | so what i want is some very up2date repositories for my debian 3.0r2 |
| 20:08.58 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: i think you edit it's config file or something, .abcdesomething , i forget |
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| 20:09.06 | mwilson | macondo: I have zero use for the packaged one, myself, but I know it's there and I know what's in it. |
| 20:09.16 | karamelos | thanks paulswm ! |
| 20:09.20 | Duzchip | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
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| 20:09.23 | Duzchip | misschat |
| 20:09.23 | paulswm | karamelos: yw :) |
| 20:09.32 | el` | Duzchip: Use unstable , change stable to unstable, that should do the trick |
| 20:09.35 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: ~/.abcde.conf , for example I have everything else default but edited this: OGGENCOPTS=" -q 7 " |
| 20:09.39 | macondo | mwilson: i got installed, so i know it's there |
| 20:09.41 | SsDD | maher: gotta search in google for drivers then... thx 4 your time =) |
| 20:09.47 | Duzchip | thanks el` |
| 20:09.50 | el` | sure |
| 20:09.51 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: the leading and ending space IN the quotes is important |
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| 20:10.28 | vchrizz | http://www.parishilton.be/ HAH, g0t r00t ? -> hacked :D |
| 20:10.35 | FieldySnuts | uh, why would we care |
| 20:10.39 | TinoW | vchrizz: *yawn* |
| 20:10.52 | FieldySnuts | vchrizz: this isn't a kiddie network like dalnet or efnet. go tel them or something. |
| 20:11.07 | FieldySnuts | s/tel/tell/ |
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| 20:11.14 | vchrizz | uhm, ok ;) |
| 20:11.20 | grendal_prime | GRRRRR |
| 20:11.25 | macondo | mwilson: did you use apt-build to compile it |
| 20:11.28 | grendal_prime | isa sound card? |
| 20:11.36 | mwilson | macondo: Of course not. |
| 20:11.51 | macondo | mwilson: from source? |
| 20:11.51 | grendal_prime | anyone...i mean i know the thing works...i have to have win88 on this machine...it boot and sound works |
| 20:12.06 | grendal_prime | but...isa sound card in debian cant seem to figer it out |
| 20:12.12 | sevenoak | which is the right octal value for umask 1777 in proftpd, i tried 1000(octal) but it didnt work, it sets 666... any hints? |
| 20:12.15 | nSe | FieldySnuts: it's ntfs, you're meaning i can't deal with my xp partition normally!? |
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| 20:12.37 | FieldySnuts | nSe: nope, microsoft never opened up how ntfs works, so kernel devs have never been able to figure out how to do ntfs writing properly. |
| 20:12.52 | FieldySnuts | nSe: do NOT let anybody tell you to try captive ntfs or any other way to use ntfs writing, they are *NOT* safe |
| 20:13.19 | FieldySnuts | nSe: or, if you for some reason decide to try it, have complete backups... |
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| 20:14.33 | ribnitz | nSe: Linux cannot deal with NTFS writing safely. |
| 20:14.36 | Duzchip | hmmm, wont work el` |
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| 20:15.01 | asuffield | hell, windows has trouble dealing with ntfs writing safely, how is linux supposed to get it right? |
| 20:15.07 | FieldySnuts | that's true |
| 20:15.14 | Duzchip | instead of "http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ stable main" i wrote "http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main" |
| 20:15.27 | Duzchip | and when i type "apt-get update" it just hangs |
| 20:15.40 | nSe | FieldySnuts: oh shit... seems that we need to start a linux revolution in our world: why did you aloud me so much about the unsafely of ntfs writting, is there anything i don't know? |
| 20:15.57 | FieldySnuts | nSe: simple, it's unsafe. you WILL lose data. |
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| 20:16.13 | Duzchip | el`, never mind me, it was just extremly slow |
| 20:16.18 | asuffield | if you're really lucky, you'll lose your windows installation |
| 20:16.23 | el` | :) |
| 20:16.26 | el` | good deal |
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| 20:16.39 | nSe | FieldySnuts: ntfs data, you're meaning |
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| 20:16.47 | enerv | how install gnome support to glade 2.6.8 in debian? I install N libs glade and gnome and not work |
| 20:16.53 | omry | I have a funny problem with nfs: I got a data dir, in it I have a video dir which is mounted partition. using nfs, I mount the data dir from the client. I can see files in the data dir, but not files in data/video. any idea whats up? |
| 20:16.57 | chugga | # cat uptime |
| 20:16.58 | chugga | 184912.16 9.50 |
| 20:17.00 | chugga | how do i read this? |
| 20:17.05 | chugga | thats from /proc/ |
| 20:17.07 | FieldySnuts | you just did |
| 20:17.09 | rafaMEX | uptime |
| 20:17.28 | FieldySnuts | nSe: the data and quite possibly the entire partition |
| 20:17.32 | chugga | rafaMEX, i dont have uptime the utility |
| 20:17.40 | squarris | right, i've rebooted and the errors are something like 'mount unknown filesystem type devfs' - does anyone know what my problem might be? Everything runs ok and these messages don't turn up in my logs |
| 20:17.41 | rafaMEX | eeeewww |
| 20:17.53 | FieldySnuts | heh. running debian? |
| 20:18.05 | ribnitz | omry: I am not sure nfs goes cross partitiion boundaries. |
| 20:18.07 | chugga | nope its my router, its runnin a stripped down linux |
| 20:18.28 | FieldySnuts | try to run w or who or top , might include it |
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| 20:18.44 | Assassinater | hey |
| 20:18.52 | omry | ribnitz, if thats the case, how can I mount a different partion using nfs? (nothing magical in the parition mounted at /, rigt?) |
| 20:18.53 | Assassinater | whats the pkg name for java |
| 20:18.54 | Assassinater | in apt |
| 20:19.09 | enerv | how install gnome support to glade 2.6.8 in debian? I install N libs glade and gnome and not work |
| 20:19.40 | ribnitz | Assassinater: not included by default |
| 20:19.51 | cat | enerv: go to #debian-gnome |
| 20:19.52 | jvw | Assassinater: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:19.54 | pipeline | enerv: What is your native language? |
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| 20:19.56 | bbrazil | chugga: 'man proc' its in seconds |
| 20:20.07 | enerv | pipeline, portuguese |
| 20:20.19 | pipeline | enerv: I'm sure there's a portuguese Debian channel, they may be more helpful. |
| 20:20.19 | decklin | squarris: are you actually using devfs? |
| 20:20.20 | paulswm | omry: man exports, see the nohide option |
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| 20:20.27 | jvw | ribnitz: err, not included at all |
| 20:20.28 | BucWheat | whats the package for X includes ? |
| 20:20.30 | pipeline | enerv: Try #debian-br |
| 20:20.33 | nSe | FieldySnuts: but does anybody in our world is trying to discover a salely way to write on ntfs? |
| 20:20.39 | streuner | BucWheat: xlibs-dev |
| 20:20.40 | chugga | bbrazil, ah, hmm. which part is in seconds? |
| 20:20.44 | Assassinater | jvw |
| 20:20.52 | BucWheat | streuner thanks |
| 20:20.53 | jvw | ribnitz: nobody includes it even, as according to the license nobody has permission to make a java package and distribute it |
| 20:20.54 | enerv | pipeline, i try and nothing answered |
| 20:20.58 | rafaMEX | nSe, the guy already told you |
| 20:21.04 | enerv | thanks :) |
| 20:21.08 | bbrazil | chugga: all of it |
| 20:21.14 | FieldySnuts | nSe: some people are, but it's been going on for years, not much hope. it's not because linux devs are clueless, it's because MS doesn't want anyone else doing so, and won't open up the specs. |
| 20:21.15 | omry | paulswm, thanks. looks like its exactly it. |
| 20:21.31 | paulswm | omry: yw :) |
| 20:21.33 | asuffield | nSe: nobody really cares enough to put in the effort |
| 20:21.43 | ribnitz | jvw: there are packages, at blackdown. |
| 20:21.45 | petemc | its also a moving target |
| 20:21.46 | asuffield | it wouldn't be completely impossible, but it would be a silly amount of work |
| 20:21.50 | ribnitz | jvw: (.org) |
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| 20:22.22 | darkskiez | telnet 10.1.0.3: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No buffer space available |
| 20:22.24 | Assassinater | jvw |
| 20:22.27 | Assassinater | i dont get it |
| 20:22.31 | chugga | can you install windows on a fs other than NTFS/FAT32? |
| 20:22.45 | asuffield | part of the problem is that it's not enough to generate a valid ntfs filesystem, you've got to do it in the same manner that windows does. or else windows scandisk will mangle it later |
| 20:22.52 | bbrazil | chugga: FAT16 :) |
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| 20:22.57 | jvw | Assassinater: Do what I said. /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:23.00 | njan | chugga, fat16, but only with win95 |
| 20:23.01 | pipeline | asuffield: Windows might very well mangle it anyway. |
| 20:23.05 | ribnitz | nSe: Of what I heard MS themselves have loads of dead code in there, no one understands all of that. |
| 20:23.06 | jvw | Assassinater: if you need help in using IRC, google |
| 20:23.08 | paulswm | nSe: It's not an open spec, so use a separate FAT32 partiton to share between OSes. |
| 20:23.16 | njan | chugga, 98/2k/xp are FAT32 or NTFS in the case of 2k and XP |
| 20:23.24 | Assassinater | i did that jvw |
| 20:23.26 | jvw | ribnitz: I don't, they are outdated, and not sun's |
| 20:23.27 | chugga | njan, ok, so they dont want people using their own fs's then :) |
| 20:23.33 | njan | chugga, uh.. no :) |
| 20:23.44 | njan | chugga, it's enough of a PiTA getting ext2/3 support in win2k |
| 20:23.47 | squarris | decklin: i'm not sure - i am running 2.6.10 - i'll check my config.... |
| 20:23.49 | bbrazil | I think there are drivers for ext2 available |
| 20:23.49 | asuffield | I don't think they really want to use it either, they just don't have anything else |
| 20:23.50 | njan | chugga, although it is both doable and stable |
| 20:23.58 | ribnitz | nSe: And just think what would happen if they decided that NTFS2 was incompatible with NTFS? |
| 20:24.08 | ChubStudy | hiya ! |
| 20:24.09 | asuffield | ribnitz: they did. winxp is ntfs6 or so |
| 20:24.10 | chugga | njan, i see. |
| 20:24.13 | njan | chugga, but as they most definitely *AREN'T* in the windows kernel/subsystems, you can't boot off ext2/3, just read ext2/3 partitions. |
| 20:24.29 | enerv | I win, exists another package called glade-2 :) |
| 20:24.36 | ribnitz | asuffield: yes, but its backwards compatilble.. |
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| 20:24.42 | asuffield | ribnitz: not really |
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| 20:25.10 | asuffield | ribnitz: it's just that windows releases so slowly (4-5 years) you're unlikely to notice |
| 20:25.22 | squarris | decklin: i've got experimental turned off and when i turned it on i found the devfs support not selected in the kernel - do i need this? |
| 20:25.29 | nSe | ribnitz: ntfs2? never heard about it, how many kind of ntfs does MS created? |
| 20:25.40 | nvz | nSe: too many |
| 20:25.40 | ChubStudy | I updated pop3 now it is secure encripted password, I want it back to plaintext passw how do I switch it back ? |
| 20:25.51 | pipeline | nSe: One for each version of NT, just about :) |
| 20:26.01 | asuffield | nSe: oh, tons. you also have to realise that ntfs itself is just a slight variation on hpfs. there's about a dozen variants in this set |
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| 20:26.13 | decklin | squarris: no. don't use it. apt-get install udev, and make sure you have tmpfs support in your kernel. |
| 20:26.21 | ribnitz | nSe: The first version of ntfs was an an improvement over hpfs1, so had about version Number 4. |
| 20:26.34 | mwilson | Ew, someone's recommending udev? |
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| 20:26.47 | decklin | decklin: then, check if you have something like devfs=mount in your grub/lilo config. |
| 20:26.53 | Assassinater | jvw |
| 20:26.54 | omry | paulswm, looked like it, only it somehow didn't work. :( |
| 20:26.57 | kirbymeister | for some reason after i uninstalled udev, I cant use my USB joypads anymore |
| 20:26.58 | decklin | mwilson: what? |
| 20:26.59 | Assassinater | i did apt-get install java-package |
| 20:27.05 | Assassinater | is that all i need to do? |
| 20:27.14 | asuffield | kirbymeister: because you haven't created the devices for them |
| 20:27.16 | jvw | Assassinater: read the docs |
| 20:27.22 | mwilson | decklin: Why would you recommend udev to anyone who wasn't forced to use it? |
| 20:27.26 | ribnitz | asuffield: IIRC IBM also did a HPFS2, for OS/2 warp.. |
| 20:27.28 | jvw | Assassinater: /usr/share/doc/java-package |
| 20:27.30 | nSe | ribnitz, pipelime, asuffield: seems that i'm not very up to date with this issue, what the heck is hpfs? |
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| 20:27.36 | asuffield | ribnitz: there's three different variants on HPFS |
| 20:27.37 | jvw | Assassinater: and the package description |
| 20:27.39 | paulswm | omry: Then maybe put them in exports and mount them in the appropriate place in the client |
| 20:28.01 | ribnitz | asuffield: OS/2 2.x, OS/2 3.x, and? |
| 20:28.06 | decklin | mwilson: so that they don't have to deal with (1) managing /dev manually (2) the crap that is devfs? |
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| 20:28.09 | kirbymeister | asuffield: oh |
| 20:28.15 | asuffield | ribnitz: aurora has a journalling version of hpfs |
| 20:28.16 | ChubStudy | I updated pop3 now it is secure encripted password, I want it back to plaintext passw how do I switch it back ? |
| 20:28.23 | mwilson | decklin: Exactly what managing do you think /dev needs? |
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| 20:28.30 | omry | paulswm, you mean directly? not the parent? I`ll try.. |
| 20:28.37 | kirbymeister | asuffield: then how do you create the device? |
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| 20:28.42 | asuffield | kirbymeister: MAKEDEV |
| 20:28.42 | mwilson | decklin: And udev is different but equivalent crap. |
| 20:29.16 | decklin | mwilson: ok. do what you like. |
| 20:29.26 | ribnitz | asuffield: Aurora is OS/2 V4? |
| 20:29.43 | paulswm | omry: example: on host / and /usr are diff parts. On client, mount -t nfs xxx:/ /media;mount -t nfs /usr /media/usr or something liek that |
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| 20:29.57 | paulswm | xxx:/usr I mean |
| 20:30.07 | asuffield | ribnitz: no, that's merlin. aurora would have been 5, but OS/2 got canned first. then it was resurrected briefly and released under a variety of odd names. notably anything claiming to be "OS/2 Warp for eBusiness Server" is aurora |
| 20:30.13 | mwilson | decklin: You didn't answer my question. Exactly what "management" do you think /dev needs? Aside from the "my /dev is emptier than yours" d*ck-waving club's interpretation, anyway? |
| 20:30.20 | paulswm | omry: correction example: on host / and /usr are diff parts. On client, mount -t nfs xxx:/ /media;mount -t nfs xxx:/usr /media/usr or something liek that |
| 20:30.45 | ribnitz | asuffield: I think I even have such a cd floating around.. |
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| 20:31.07 | paulswm | That would be a my d*ck's smaller than yours waving club, funny concept |
| 20:31.07 | asuffield | ribnitz: it's hovering halfway between 4 and 5; most of the core stuff is done, but the peripheral applications are mostly from warp 4 |
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| 20:31.19 | decklin | mwilson: if you would like to sit here and tell everyone how to use MAVEDEV and mknod every time they add a device we don't ship, go ahead. |
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| 20:31.50 | mwilson | decklin: If there's a need for a device Debian doesn't ship, then a bug should be filed, full stop. |
| 20:31.54 | ribnitz | asuffield: Nowadays, OS/2 is pretty much dead. Banking switched to Linux variantions, AIX or Win32, no? |
| 20:31.54 | CSRx | Where is the apache config file for sarge? |
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| 20:32.14 | doublehp | "pre-install: command not found" whats missing ? |
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| 20:32.20 | ribnitz | CSRx: where you'd expect it. |
| 20:32.21 | asuffield | ribnitz: IBM shut down the development team, citing lack of revenue. that's what did it |
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| 20:32.30 | paulswm | CSRx: A hint: /etc |
| 20:32.44 | asuffield | ribnitz: the ironic part is that they still actually use it. the "system console" for an s/390 is a thinkpad running OS/2 |
| 20:32.45 | CSRx | paulswn: thanks that helps alot |
| 20:32.56 | roo9 | does anyone know where in /proc the diskio can be found? |
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| 20:33.01 | decklin | mwilson: that's just ridiculous. |
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| 20:33.34 | ribnitz | asuffield: And the rest of the S/390 is probably unixoid? |
| 20:33.46 | asuffield | ribnitz: hell no, it's os/390, the System From The Days That Never Were |
| 20:33.48 | nvz | whats the technical name for these things you light a torch or burner with, that are like a little flint/steel grinder |
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| 20:34.08 | asuffield | ribnitz: it's probably like nothing you've ever seen; it's the sole remaning descendant of the "other" branch of operating systems |
| 20:34.12 | mwilson | decklin: Oh, it is? Why is it ridiculous? |
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| 20:34.39 | asuffield | (the banks would probably have been happy to sit with OS/2 if it were actually supported; banks will stick with a system that nobody else has used for fifty years if it means they can keep doing things the way they always have) |
| 20:34.47 | ribnitz | asuffield: you mean of those dinosaurs that were before MULTICS? |
| 20:34.52 | scrape | netstat shows tcp6 and udp6 for some services I'm running... however, I never specified for those to be running IPv6... will they also be listening on the IPv4 ports? |
| 20:35.00 | doublehp | ribnitz: !find something reported (6 shown; 10 total) ... how do i print the 4 missing ? |
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| 20:35.00 | asuffield | ribnitz: from that period, yes |
| 20:35.06 | mwilson | decklin: udev seems to be Priority: extra, not Priority: required. |
| 20:35.19 | omry | paulswm, cool, now it works. :), thanks. |
| 20:35.33 | paulswm | omry: yw, buddy :) |
| 20:35.41 | mwilson | decklin: So, try again. |
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| 20:36.05 | pipeline | nicklaus_: Bad move, bud. |
| 20:36.21 | Flimzy | scrape: in all probability, yes |
| 20:36.28 | decklin | mwilson: you're so leet. please, impress us some more. |
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| 20:36.50 | graytron | decklin: now you're lowering yourself to mwilson's level :) |
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| 20:37.01 | decklin | graytron: point. :) |
| 20:37.04 | mwilson | decklin: Impress? Hardly. You say it's ridiculous. WHY is it ridiculous? When udev is a required package, then maybe it would be, but now? |
| 20:37.26 | paulswm | mwilson: you can't expect him to return the ball when you keep acing the serves :) |
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| 20:37.50 | pipeline | mwilson: I dream of the day when I see you pitch an argument without a single disingenuous question. |
| 20:38.02 | mwilson | decklin: *I* say it's ridiculous to add a complex and poorly-maintained package like udev to the mix when a device node can be quite simply created. |
| 20:38.22 | pipeline | Udev combines the painful disadvantages of static device nodes with the painful disadvantages of devfs. |
| 20:38.29 | asuffield | scrape: some things, when told to bind to a port but not an address, bind to all available address families as well. those'll show up as ipv6 on boxes which support it, with an address like ":::22" |
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| 20:38.50 | scrape | asuffield, ok thanks |
| 20:39.02 | maher | udev's maintainer is particularly sunny-tempered and helpful too |
| 20:39.11 | mwilson | maher: I hope that's sarcasm. |
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| 20:39.22 | maher | mwilson: of course |
| 20:39.30 | nSe | seems that "wine babylon" in my normal-user terminal is not working. i did "apt-get install wine" under testing debian version. and configurated it with winesetuptk. anything anormal? |
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| 20:40.20 | ZyX | i'm trying to do x11 forwarding via ssh but nothing seems to work- no .Xauthority and $DISPLAY isnt being set.. any clues? |
| 20:40.38 | clown | I'm running sarge native and sid chrooted, including X and WindowMaker. Is there an easy way to get /dev/console from sarge available in the chrooted environment? I'd like to start xconsole... |
| 20:40.45 | maher | ZyX: does thee sshd server support it |
| 20:40.55 | ZyX | maher, how do i find out? |
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| 20:41.02 | revenger1 | ZyX: did you do a ssh -X ? |
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| 20:41.10 | maher | ZyX: is it your sshd? look in sshd_config |
| 20:41.15 | Duzchip | so, anyone got a good source.list to share please? |
| 20:41.19 | clown | ZyX, check /etc/ssh/sshd_config, it is by default disabled. |
| 20:41.20 | Duzchip | i'm using woody 3.0r2 |
| 20:41.21 | CSRx | im really dumb, i bought a wifi card with almost no linux support |
| 20:41.33 | mwilson | maher: I thought the most recent d'Itri diatribe on d-u was amusing. |
| 20:41.35 | valdyn | Duzchip: use apt-setup ? |
| 20:41.39 | sobersabre | CSRx, which one ? |
| 20:41.49 | valdyn | Duzchip: theres none that is "good" for everyone |
| 20:41.54 | sobersabre | and what means .."almost no" |
| 20:41.57 | CSRx | edimax ew-7126, with the realtek 8180 chipset |
| 20:42.04 | mwilson | maher: Of course, I also thought the target(s) got what they deserved, but it was still amusing. |
| 20:42.12 | maher | mwilson: i don't read d-u - but i remember him refusing to fix typos in udev and then sulking at great length... |
| 20:42.13 | doublehp | any one can do : ls -lh /usr/X11R6/lib/ | grep xinit ;thanks |
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| 20:42.14 | ZyX | damn.. it wasnt enabled in config.. i'll try again.. |
| 20:42.45 | mwilson | maher: The latest thing was that udev told you that you could go ahead and erase /.dev |
| 20:42.50 | maher | mwilson: maybe we should feed him some prozac - he doesn't seem to be having fun |
| 20:42.53 | sobersabre | ZyX, you must make client create the DISPLAY, and ... you must connected with DISPLAY set :-/ |
| 20:43.04 | mwilson | maher: Anyone with a clue knows that's not what it actually said, but cluebies will do what cluebies will do. |
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| 20:43.14 | ribnitz | are the quality levels of oggenc linear, or are they logarithmic? |
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| 20:43.28 | maher | mwilson: well - english isn't his first language... i hope that got replaced with "remove the mount point" |
| 20:43.33 | NsOmNiA | does debian come with rpm support? |
| 20:43.37 | binarydigit | no |
| 20:43.42 | clown | no |
| 20:43.43 | paulswm | CSRx: ndiswrapper is reported to work with it |
| 20:43.43 | Thaiger | Can someone please help me with alsa? I had it working then I recompiled my kernel now it doesn't work. I don't see anything in the kernel config that applies to alsa and I purged and reinstalled alsa-base and alsa-utils, but still no luck |
| 20:43.44 | mwilson | maher: Oh, no... to him, there's nothing wrong with it. |
| 20:43.51 | doublehp | NsOmNiA: man alien |
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| 20:43.55 | ribnitz | NsOmNiA: nope, debian has its own package format. |
| 20:43.56 | binarydigit | you can get alien that will allow you to extract rpms |
| 20:44.07 | sobersabre | i'm trying to communicate on ia64 chan, but has anybody here tried zx6000 from hp ? |
| 20:44.09 | maher | mwilson: i would be more inclined to experiment with udev if someone else was looking after it... |
| 20:44.12 | racoontje|clone | Is there a spot where debian devs put things that are currently preventing sarge stable? |
| 20:44.20 | CSRx | paulswm: i tried it but it didnt work for me, it might be the win driver though, it barley works with windows... |
| 20:44.48 | maher | racoontje: occaisional updates are posted to debian-devel-announce |
| 20:44.54 | Duzchip | valdyn: i know, i'm trying to make myself a good one |
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| 20:45.04 | ZyX | ..still xterm Xt error: Can't open display: |
| 20:45.15 | CSRx | paulswm: There's an open source driver thats available, but to be honest, i don't know what to do with it |
| 20:45.21 | Duzchip | valdyn: I need a few good adresses for stable, unstable and testing -packages |
| 20:45.25 | paulswm | CSRx: I had some probs with ndiswrapper, ended up getting the latest source and compiling it myself |
| 20:45.27 | sobersabre | ZyX, what is the value of $DISPLAY locally ? |
| 20:45.29 | maher | CSRx: what driver |
| 20:45.32 | valdyn | Duzchip: you dont need to mix those |
| 20:45.40 | valdyn | Duzchip: you SHOULD NOT mix those |
| 20:45.40 | vulture | ZyX: did you restart your ssh server? |
| 20:45.44 | CSRx | maher: RTL8180L |
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| 20:46.17 | ZyX | local is 127.0.0.1:0.0 restarted sshd |
| 20:46.30 | daffy-pkf | re |
| 20:46.37 | mwilson | maher: Myself, I can't see any reason to bother with it. |
| 20:46.50 | broke | Hi, what's the easiest program for viewing thumbnail pictures... in the way windows does it ? so you get a view of all of them(browse) and click on the ones you want enlarges |
| 20:46.54 | broke | enlarged |
| 20:47.05 | dupondje | how do i know the max PE size from a lvm ? :s |
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| 20:47.17 | binarydigit | broke: checkout gthumb |
| 20:47.24 | Thaiger | Why is there no alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 now? |
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| 20:47.31 | Duzchip | valdyn: Okey, do you know a good adress for unstable then? |
| 20:47.44 | Duzchip | i guess unstable is more up2date then stable is |
| 20:47.48 | Duzchip | and has more packages |
| 20:47.52 | mwilson | Thaiger: One hasn't been uploaded. |
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| 20:47.57 | valdyn | Duzchip: you are confusing something |
| 20:47.57 | racoontje|clone | Duzchip, no shit, sherlock |
| 20:47.57 | ribnitz | Duzchip: is less stable. |
| 20:47.58 | ZyX | do i need xauth to be installed? |
| 20:48.01 | simonrvn | up2date is not a word |
| 20:48.08 | Thaiger | mwilson, there used to be one |
| 20:48.08 | arabian | hi |
| 20:48.12 | valdyn | Duzchip: just like beta software is new, unstable is new, its UNSTABLE |
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| 20:48.16 | BucWheat | simonrvn it is if you are a red hat user :0 |
| 20:48.20 | mwilson | Thaiger: If you say so. |
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| 20:48.31 | Duzchip | valdyn: I KNOW |
| 20:48.32 | racoontje|clone | (un)stability is relative. |
| 20:48.34 | arabian | hiiiiiiiii |
| 20:48.37 | racoontje|clone | It doesn't break for me |
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| 20:49.12 | arabian | are you with me |
| 20:49.18 | valdyn | Duzchip: ping <somemirror> should be a good enough indicator if a mirror is good for you or not. Naturally that will be different servers for me than for you |
| 20:49.29 | ribnitz | arabian: yep. |
| 20:49.39 | paulswm | Duzchip: stable is stable, testing is relatively stabe, unstable *can* be just that and you should probably stay away from it unless you are good at fixing broken dependencies and shit, becuase sooner or later something will break. |
| 20:50.10 | ribnitz | Duzchip: for a desktop system we usually offer testing. |
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| 20:50.23 | ribnitz | Duzchip: fairly stable, fairly recent |
| 20:50.40 | nSe | arabian: i am |
| 20:50.44 | omry | is it possible to suspent a process that is not running in the forground on a terminal? |
| 20:51.10 | paulswm | omry: 'fg' to bring it to the foreground, then ctrl-z to suspend |
| 20:51.14 | ribnitz | omry: no. |
| 20:51.18 | arabian | hi nse |
| 20:51.20 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:51.28 | arabian | pls |
| 20:51.29 | ribnitz | omry: or what paulswm said |
| 20:51.30 | ZyX | "debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing." ??? |
| 20:51.38 | paulswm | ribnitz: :P |
| 20:51.53 | arabian | wr are you from |
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| 20:51.56 | omry | paulswm, I mean a process which was not started from the current terminal. can I bring it to the fg? |
| 20:52.06 | nSe | what happen if a backgrounded program needs an user information? |
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| 20:52.12 | ribnitz | arabian: all over the world, doesnt really matter, does it? |
| 20:52.31 | ribnitz | nSe: it will be suspended? |
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| 20:52.34 | maher | omry: use screen in future |
| 20:52.37 | nSe | arabian: put the nick of the person you wanna talk before saying some... |
| 20:53.00 | ribnitz | omry: use screen, its handy |
| 20:53.09 | omry | maher, I am, its just a throretical question. I don't see why the shell can suspend processes, and I can't. |
| 20:53.32 | nSe | ribnitz: dunno. it will be? |
| 20:53.37 | arabian | sorry it is the first time |
| 20:53.40 | ribnitz | omry: you are running in user mode, the shell isn't. |
| 20:53.45 | ugexe | is there a way to delete all files named Makefile that are in folder 'test' and all its sub folders? |
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| 20:54.07 | ZyX | do i need the xbase-clients on the remote server where i want to start an X application?? |
| 20:54.08 | nixman | is there a (freely) available utility that would do daily/weekly backup on hdd in debian ? |
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| 20:54.15 | stouset | ugexe: find test/ -name "Makefile" | xargs rm |
| 20:54.19 | ribnitz | ugexe: rm -rf test? |
| 20:54.25 | valdyn | nixman: dirvish |
| 20:54.30 | maher | nixman: i use dirvish |
| 20:54.30 | Fuzzy76 | anyone know why sarge install from cd barfs on installing manpages in the basic system? |
| 20:54.31 | ugexe | rm -rf test will just delete the folder |
| 20:54.38 | ribnitz | nixman: dirvish. |
| 20:54.38 | omry | ribnitz, if I start the shell, its running in user mode, isn't it? it make system calls, but so can I. |
| 20:54.52 | paulswm | omry: You could try kill -SIGSTOP |
| 20:54.58 | nSe | arabian: are you arabian? |
| 20:55.05 | ribnitz | omry: but you cannot access non-interactive processses |
| 20:55.10 | ribnitz | paulswm: -15? |
| 20:55.12 | stouset | ugexe: just do a find for all files under test named Makefile, then pipe them to rm with xargs. |
| 20:55.14 | arabian | from egypt |
| 20:55.18 | arabian | and you |
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| 20:56.00 | ribnitz | arabian: from austria, living in switzerland. Many here are from england and the us, some are french, some form germany... |
| 20:56.01 | paulswm | ribnitz: no, a 15 is SIGTERM, terminate |
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| 20:56.12 | nSe | arabian: you might want to put nSe in your string, don't you? |
| 20:56.13 | ribnitz | paulswm: and 9 is kill,.. |
| 20:56.17 | ribnitz | paulswm: 11? |
| 20:56.52 | omry | paulswm, seems to work like magic. :) |
| 20:56.57 | paulswm | ribnitz: Don't know what the number is for SIGSTOP |
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| 20:57.00 | arabian | nfs wr are you from |
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| 20:57.14 | arabian | sorry nse |
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| 20:57.35 | yacoob | hm. |
| 20:57.35 | bucky | arabian, you use debian? |
| 20:57.37 | paulswm | omry: Cool. You can find signals in man 7 signal and man kill, btw |
| 20:57.42 | nixman | ribnitz, maher, valdyn how does it compare to rsnapshot |
| 20:57.49 | yacoob | are there any xorg packages for unstable somewhere? |
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| 20:57.54 | arabian | yes bucky |
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| 20:58.09 | valdyn | !xorg debs |
| 20:58.10 | dpkg | xorg debs are at http://debian.linux-systeme.com, if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server |
| 20:58.15 | doublehp | how do I install a package in a temporary zone ? dpkg --instdir=./ -i fails |
| 20:58.20 | yacoob | great. |
| 20:58.29 | ribnitz | nixman: basically uses rsync to do a daily backup, and has symlinks for non-changed files. No idea how it cvompares. |
| 20:58.36 | yacoob | asked apt for xorg, but it didn't know about this :> |
| 20:58.36 | ribnitz | !dirvish |
| 20:58.36 | dpkg | Dirvish is a fast, disk based, rotating network backup system. With dirvish you can maintain a set of complete images of your filesystems with unattended creation and expiration. A dirvish backup vault is like a time machine for your data. See http://www.dirvish.org |
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| 20:58.51 | arabian | sne wr are you |
| 20:59.04 | paulswm | omry: and I suspect kill -SIGCONT to resume :) |
| 20:59.10 | yacoob | Due expanded international download traffic the costs exploded. |
| 20:59.12 | yacoob | :( |
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| 20:59.35 | valdyn | yacoob: it might be germany only - i dont know |
| 20:59.36 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I set timeout value for ever for ssh? |
| 20:59.48 | omry | paulswm, indeed. |
| 20:59.51 | nSe | arabian: seems that you're not very used to your new keyboard arabian :) i'm from brazil. are you running debian? |
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| 20:59.59 | matth | Hi folks |
| 21:00.06 | nSe | hi matth |
| 21:00.13 | arabian | yes nse |
| 21:00.22 | arabian | wt s ur name |
| 21:00.44 | matth | I'm coming here cause I got a nasty problem, I just lost a NTFS & FAT32 partition from a windows point of vue when installing a debian sid and mounting the partition |
| 21:01.01 | ribnitz | looks like -q6 isnt enough for oggenc. |
| 21:01.34 | ribnitz | matth: cant believe that for the FAT32 partition. |
| 21:01.45 | super_grass | matth do you know fdisk |
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| 21:01.49 | matth | that's true |
| 21:01.51 | matth | super_grass: yep |
| 21:01.53 | paulswm | omry: would be a pisser if you could stop it but not set it running again :) |
| 21:02.00 | super_grass | the linux fdisk |
| 21:02.00 | alejandro_ | it's ok if I can't choose to install "Input devices"? I don't see the normal [ ] or < > but just a "---" and can't select it |
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| 21:02.20 | matth | fdisk -l /dev/sda show me my partition, they seems ok |
| 21:02.31 | valdyn | alejandro_: then that is a submenu? |
| 21:02.38 | matth | but windows do not know anoymore about them (exepted C:\) |
| 21:02.45 | valdyn | alejandro_: or just a title |
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| 21:03.02 | matth | I just was wondering if somebody else already had this problem |
| 21:03.02 | super_grass | you can boot win? |
| 21:03.11 | ribnitz | matth: windows does not know about linux partition types. |
| 21:03.12 | matth | super_grass: yes, the C:\ is ok |
| 21:03.20 | matth | ribnitz: that's not the problem |
| 21:03.35 | cjfp | is there a quick way to block access to certain websites on this laptop? |
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| 21:03.37 | matth | Windows should know about his NTFS & FAT32 partitions |
| 21:03.41 | super_grass | window cant handle reiserfs/ext |
| 21:03.47 | cjfp | running sarge (i guess it doesn't matter that it's a laptop) |
| 21:03.47 | paulswm | Led_Zeppelin: prolly man ssh_conf and look for a keepalive kind of option, depends on your client |
| 21:03.50 | alejandro_ | valdyn, then why, when I select help highlighting "Input devices" it says that the module will be called "input"? |
| 21:03.53 | alejandro_ | :-\ |
| 21:04.02 | Led_Zeppelin | paulswm: thanks! |
| 21:04.08 | paulswm | Led_Zeppelin: yw |
| 21:04.26 | omry | paulswm, yeah, lol. :) |
| 21:04.31 | ribnitz | matth:so you didnt touch the partition types... |
| 21:04.46 | matth | no ribnitz, I just mounted them under linux, that's all |
| 21:04.50 | clown | Why does 'tail -f /dev/console' completely locks the keyboard up? |
| 21:04.55 | matth | did not even create/modify a file on them |
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| 21:05.01 | matth | that's odd |
| 21:05.06 | super_grass | i had that problem too with fat32 |
| 21:05.20 | matth | (the windows is the Home version) |
| 21:05.40 | super_grass | i mounted my c:\ and after next reboot win was smashed |
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| 21:05.46 | valdyn | alejandro_: b/c that is a general help i guess |
| 21:05.47 | matth | gosh :/ |
| 21:05.55 | Solak | hmmm, the "apt-get install discover" suggested in the FAQ doesn't appear to work... |
| 21:06.03 | valdyn | alejandro_: input device drivers is a supercategory to keyboards |
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| 21:06.12 | DaCa | clown: use ctrl-c to quit |
| 21:06.20 | matth | I did not found a lot of people complaining about that on the net that's strange |
| 21:06.22 | clown | DaCa, doesn't work |
| 21:06.47 | Solak | it complains with: "discover: Depends: libdiscober2 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages" |
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| 21:07.09 | Solak | s/libdiscober2/libdiscover2 |
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| 21:07.31 | nSe | i did "apt-get install wine" with my testing debian version, the package reads in the description: "many tasks will not work properly" how can i apt-get a stable wine version? |
| 21:07.39 | infodroid | Solak: what's the matter with apt-get install discover1 |
| 21:07.46 | gandy909 | what purpose do the debian-update-3.0r4-i386-(1|2).iso's really serve? |
| 21:07.48 | super_grass | you know that linux cant work with ntfs |
| 21:07.52 | DaCa | clown: can you still switch to another console (ctrl-alt-Fx) |
| 21:08.24 | cjfp | ok, let me rephrase. which firewall package is the easiest one to setup if i just want to block connections to certain IP's? |
| 21:08.28 | alejandro_ | valdyn, don't think so, "b/c" input is used by keyboard, mices, joysticks and (Ithink) many more :-\ |
| 21:08.29 | valdyn | alejandro_: try make xconfig for a different interface, if you want |
| 21:08.37 | Solak | infodroid: nothing, except that's not what is listed at 1.9 of the FAQ ;-) |
| 21:08.40 | alejandro_ | !xconf |
| 21:08.43 | gandy909 | Smoothwall |
| 21:08.50 | infodroid | Solak: which faq are you looking at |
| 21:08.50 | alejandro_ | hmmm |
| 21:08.52 | cjfp | apt-cache search firewall | wc -l |
| 21:08.52 | cjfp | 108 |
| 21:08.55 | Solak | infodroid: but I did a apt-cache search which revealed that one. |
| 21:08.55 | clown | DaCa, haven't tried, ssh-ed into the machine and kill-ed tail. |
| 21:08.56 | ribnitz | cjfp: I use shorewall.. |
| 21:08.57 | DaCa | cjfp: I like shorewall |
| 21:09.02 | cjfp | ok |
| 21:09.05 | Solak | infodroid: the one mentioned in the topic. |
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| 21:09.18 | infodroid | Solak: discover1 is what you need for sarge |
| 21:09.40 | Fuzzy76 | anyone know why my sarge install from cd barfs on installing manpages from the base system? no meaningful error message... Looks like it can't read the package but the cd seems ok.... |
| 21:09.42 | super_grass | do you have qtparted |
| 21:09.48 | alejandro_ | valdyn, xconfig? |
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| 21:10.09 | Solak | infodroid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo#head-9ff8d44d8db353171a75864be491dbcbce1fa286 |
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| 21:10.15 | Solak | infodroid: ah, ok. |
| 21:10.37 | j4cbo | how do i set up a dumb print server, with lpr or cups or something? |
| 21:10.39 | j4cbo | all the info i've seen talks about driver setup, but i don't need drivers on the server itself, right? |
| 21:11.00 | Solak | infodroid: thanks. |
| 21:11.02 | infodroid | Solak: you can use discover1 for the time being |
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| 21:11.15 | infodroid | Solak: but "broken packages" error you get looks serious, you should investigate |
| 21:11.36 | hal663 | hello, does anyone here uses gaim? |
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| 21:11.43 | matth | cjfp: iptables is your friend |
| 21:11.51 | ribnitz | j4cbo: I did a simple server, with a basic install of cups, cups-lpd and something-drivers-ppds.. |
| 21:11.57 | atp12345 | Hi, I am trying to run usb mouse and touchpad together on laptop. But I can use only either of them (the one defined as CorePointer), Itried adding both as corepointer, but only touchpad works in that case, any pointers how to run them simult? |
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| 21:12.02 | maketo | can someone explain something to me? I have an old box with HW raid5. One of the scsi drives looks like it failed. This brought the machine to a halt. Is there any reason why this would happen? |
| 21:12.27 | j4cbo | ribnitz: was it foomatic? |
| 21:12.35 | ribnitz | j4cbo: yep. |
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| 21:12.44 | maher | atp12345: use gpm |
| 21:12.54 | phogg | atp12345: there's a HWOTO on multiple mice in X which I once followed and had good results with. Google can find it for you, I'm sure. |
| 21:12.54 | ribnitz | maketo: stopped, because there was an additional error? |
| 21:13.14 | maketo | ribnitz : additional error? what do you mean? |
| 21:13.18 | atp12345 | maher, gpm for console isn't it? |
| 21:13.24 | natasiel | someone knows an alternative to nis for sharing users/password in a thrusted network? |
| 21:13.28 | maher | atp12345: works for x too |
| 21:13.28 | atp12345 | phogg ok.. :) |
| 21:13.52 | ribnitz | maketo: RAID protects agains 1-errors. as soon as you have another drive fail.. |
| 21:14.15 | j4cbo | ribnitz: was the -lpd package "cupsys-bsd"? |
| 21:14.28 | ribnitz | j4cbo: yep. |
| 21:14.42 | maketo | ribnitz : that's what I thought. However my (old MegaRAID) controller is reporting upon reboot that channel 0-ID 3 is not responding and the hdd light is red. But the machine is running just fine now. |
| 21:14.44 | cjfp | matth: so, lets say i want to block 66.35.250.150, can you walk me through it? |
| 21:14.49 | matth | sure |
| 21:14.53 | cjfp | ok |
| 21:14.58 | matth | you want to block *anything* from that IP ? |
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| 21:15.01 | warhead | how to setup my usb memory stick in linux? |
| 21:15.04 | cjfp | yes |
| 21:15.07 | cjfp | it's /. |
| 21:15.09 | maketo | ribnitz : so that looks like only one hdd failed |
| 21:15.11 | matth | iptables -I INPUT -s 66.35.250.150 -j DROP |
| 21:15.15 | ribnitz | maketo: replace the drive, and it should rebuild fine. |
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| 21:15.19 | cjfp | that's it? |
| 21:15.31 | matth | yep that should do the work |
| 21:15.37 | Flimzy | warhead: Probably the same as any USB disk. (I know my CF reader and USB hard drive are set up the same way... I imagine all disk-ish devices are done the same) |
| 21:15.39 | cjfp | ok, and how do i undo it? |
| 21:15.41 | maketo | ribnitz : yeah, that's what I'll do. It is just strange that the box completely bogged down and it looks like only one drive failed |
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| 21:15.47 | matth | iptables -D INPUT 1 |
| 21:16.05 | cjfp | okay, and how do i see the list of blocked ip's (last question)? |
| 21:16.08 | matth | that delete the top of your rule list |
| 21:16.11 | ribnitz | maketo: there is now redundancy now. |
| 21:16.45 | matth | cjfp: you can view the droped one doing iptables -I INPUT -nL | grep DROP for example |
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| 21:17.04 | matth | but there should be on the web best tutorial than me |
| 21:17.15 | maketo | ribnitz : yup, I am aware of that. I had the expectation that in RAID5 if one hdd fails, the box keeps running without redundancy but it still keeps running. Is my expectation false then? :) |
| 21:17.51 | ribnitz | maketo: Theb elimination of redundancy means a higher load. |
| 21:18.11 | ribnitz | maketo: depending on the processor, this might impact speed considerably. |
| 21:18.18 | natasiel | what do you all use to share group and passwd over a network? |
| 21:18.19 | maketo | ribnitz: hmmm. So high that it wouldn't even give me the "password" prompt after typing in "root" on the console? |
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| 21:18.46 | ribnitz | maketo: no idea there, really. |
| 21:19.04 | ribnitz | on here i can swap drives just fine (external hw raid 5) |
| 21:19.09 | maketo | ribnitz: yeah, this is a 1 Ghz box. Oh well |
| 21:19.10 | cjfp | matth: iptables -I INPUT -nL | grep DROP says: |
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| 21:19.16 | cjfp | iptables v1.2.11: Can't use -L with -I |
| 21:19.16 | cjfp | Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. |
| 21:19.22 | maketo | ribnitz : thanks for confirming I am not insane or dreaming :) |
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| 21:19.25 | matth | how sorry |
| 21:19.27 | matth | my bad |
| 21:19.37 | ribnitz | maketo: you are both ;) |
| 21:19.38 | demonsdread | hi all. i just installed alsa and configured it and disabled oss but when i try to play audio it says "failed to open audio output: OSS driver 1.2.10" |
| 21:19.55 | demonsdread | can you tell me where i made the mistake |
| 21:20.07 | bob2 | demonsdread: configure your music player to use alsa |
| 21:20.14 | bob2 | or modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:20.16 | maketo | ribnitz : yeah, it's sunday and I am spending it in a data center... insane (not dreaming) |
| 21:20.29 | demonsdread | is that all thanks i'll take a look |
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| 21:20.49 | paulswm | !comfort maketo |
| 21:20.49 | matth | cjfp: iptables -nL INPUT | grep DROP |
| 21:20.49 | dpkg | There, there, maketo. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:20.52 | cjfp | matth: iptables -L |
| 21:20.56 | maketo | :) |
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| 21:21.14 | asuffield | maketo: software raid 5 isn't really guaranteed to survive a disk dying anyway. there's too many things that can go wrong. put a new disk in the box and reboot it |
| 21:21.32 | maketo | asuffield : this is hw raid5 |
| 21:21.41 | asuffield | maketo: then your controller is shit |
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| 21:21.46 | asuffield | maketo: do not buy another of those |
| 21:22.02 | ribnitz | asuffield: whats SW raid5 for then? ;) |
| 21:22.03 | maketo | asuffield : it is an old MegaRAID in an HP box (I inherited this stuff from previous sysadmins) |
| 21:22.14 | asuffield | ribnitz: you don't lose data |
| 21:22.27 | asuffield | ribnitz: and you can get the box back up quickly |
| 21:22.31 | ribnitz | asuffield: I dont need raid5 fpr that, do I? |
| 21:22.40 | eusto | what does "APIC error on CPU0" mean ? i've been having some problems with this machine...does this mean anithing? |
| 21:22.42 | asuffield | ribnitz: you do if one of your drives explodes |
| 21:23.00 | tarzeau | eusto: google? |
| 21:23.02 | ribnitz | asuffield: If thatn happens, i need an offsite backup.. |
| 21:23.03 | cjfp | matth: weird, -n doesn't seem to give me numbers for the rules, but otherwise i got it figured out. thanks a lot! |
| 21:23.19 | demonsdread | bob2, i selected alsa but now it doesnt play or give a msg |
| 21:23.23 | matth | cjfp: -n is here to avoid dns lookup that's all |
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| 21:23.39 | asuffield | ribnitz: anyway, the point is to survive hardware failure, not to keep running through it. that's not really possible from software |
| 21:23.59 | matth | cjfp: I like to avoid unnecessary traffic when I can |
| 21:23.59 | maketo | asuffield : so I guess I'll turf all my softraid sh*t |
| 21:24.02 | ribnitz | asuffield: yep |
| 21:24.03 | asuffield | it might work - sometimes. but it can fail |
| 21:24.08 | tarzeau | ribnitz: how was it in the kuppelraum? stayed long? |
| 21:24.13 | BucWheat | how do i disable gdm? when box boots i want it to load directly into window manager |
| 21:24.32 | ribnitz | tarzeau: music too loud, took the 20.30 train. |
| 21:24.39 | maketo | BucWheat : do you mean you want to login without typing in your username and password? |
| 21:24.40 | BucWheat | now it brings up this debian login box |
| 21:24.43 | tarzeau | BucWheat: you should've not installed gdm |
| 21:24.45 | cjfp | matth: sorry, --line-numbers does what i want |
| 21:24.48 | tarzeau | BucWheat: try x-window-system-core next time |
| 21:24.49 | BucWheat | maketo yea |
| 21:24.49 | ribnitz | tarzeau: was nice talking to georg. |
| 21:24.53 | demonsdread | how can i learn if alsa is working right or not? |
| 21:25.00 | BucWheat | tarzeau ahh ok. will do |
| 21:25.11 | tarzeau | ribnitz: what was decided? any volunteers came up? |
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| 21:25.20 | ribnitz | tarzeau: the FSF europe needs translators, wanna volunteer for turkish? |
| 21:25.32 | tarzeau | ribnitz: i was there, i know what it needs ;) |
| 21:25.32 | matth | cjfp: I don't see what --line-number is doing with that, but anyway if you got what you want that's ok :) |
| 21:25.50 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no but maybe for german. for turkish i'll have some other friends. but first let me subscribe to the lists i wanted to |
| 21:26.09 | BucWheat | hrmm it says kdm nor gdm is installed |
| 21:26.11 | valdyn | BucWheat: configure gdm to log you in automatically |
| 21:26.20 | ribnitz | tarzeau: The decisions up there were more of the form: another beer?- do you get to fetch the risotto or do I? |
| 21:26.25 | tarzeau | ribnitz: translaters do a passive job. not the steering/deciding one |
| 21:26.40 | cjfp | matth: line-number just makes it so i don't have to count the lines if i want to delete a certain rule later on. |
| 21:26.45 | BucWheat | valdyn guess i'll install gdm and do so |
| 21:26.48 | ZyX | the alt- keybindings for bash dont work in xterm.. instead i get some weird characters.. any clues? |
| 21:26.48 | tarzeau | ribnitz: hör auf zu spassen -- das wars nicht wirklich oder |
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| 21:26.51 | matth | oki cjfp |
| 21:26.52 | cjfp | matth: sweet! no more wasted time on slashdot! |
| 21:26.55 | cjfp | :) |
| 21:26.57 | matth | ;) |
| 21:26.59 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I think its important to help in the way you can. |
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| 21:27.31 | ribnitz | tarzeau: I also volunteered for translating now. I will hopefullly also stand around at the fosdem booth... |
| 21:27.53 | tarzeau | ribnitz: arf. i'd loved to be at fosdem too |
| 21:28.24 | ribnitz | tarzeau: Want me to look around for you and fetch some project docus for anything? |
| 21:28.49 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no but you can trow urls at me, and i'll pick the ones i like |
| 21:29.03 | ribnitz | tarzeau: fosdem.org. :) |
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| 21:29.58 | c459s | How does one mount an ntfs harddisk with umask 755 using the "mount" command? |
| 21:30.09 | tarzeau | c459s: www.linuks.mine.nu/mount/ |
| 21:30.18 | tarzeau | try 022 |
| 21:30.36 | c459s | thanks. |
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| 21:35.30 | sobersabre | byebye |
| 21:35.50 | DAV___ | can dial up internet be configured easly on debian linux? |
| 21:36.19 | thenuke | DAV___: depends, if you have bad modem, then not |
| 21:36.26 | chugga | what do i need to use a webcam? |
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| 21:36.48 | thenuke | DAV___: bad modems are "windows modems" they actually are not REAL modems :) but they pretend to be, and windows knows how to use them |
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| 21:37.13 | DAV___ | it's not for me, i'm picking a distrobution for a friend, and i've heard that bsd is really hard to configure for that |
| 21:37.49 | valdyn | !info pppconfig |
| 21:37.56 | dpkg | pppconfig: (A text menu based utility for configuring ppp), section base, is optional. Version: 2.3.10 (sid), Packaged size: 220 kB, Installed size: 1156 kB |
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| 21:38.34 | demonsdread | i'm playing a file with xine but theres no sound can you help pls |
| 21:38.48 | pipeline | Do you get sound in other applications? |
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| 21:39.05 | demonsdread | no i was just trying to install alsa |
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| 21:39.23 | demonsdread | i finished config. etc but didnt work |
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| 21:40.22 | demonsdread | i get that error when i try to play with xmms "failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin" |
| 21:41.22 | demonsdread | anyone there? |
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| 21:42.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:42.49 | scarynetworkguy | !tell demonsdread about sound |
| 21:43.13 | simonrvn | !scarynetworkguy |
| 21:43.13 | dpkg | methinks scarynetworkguy is Do not meddle in the affairs of NetAdmins for they are subtle and quick to anger |
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| 21:43.30 | simonrvn | that should be s/Net/Sys/ |
| 21:43.46 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: I'm a net admin. It's about me. So. |
| 21:43.52 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 21:43.57 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
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| 21:44.03 | Demon` | hello |
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| 21:44.09 | simonrvn | olleh |
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| 21:44.25 | Demon` | does anyone use coLinux to boot into an existing debian installation? |
| 21:44.32 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:45.23 | libv | BucWheat: you should try using the driver at unichrome.sf.net |
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| 21:46.11 | BucWheat | libv for what? |
| 21:46.20 | BucWheat | libv ahh video card |
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| 21:46.34 | BucWheat | how do i remove sessions from gdm ? i forget the directory they are under |
| 21:46.40 | BucWheat | i want all users to only see icewm |
| 21:46.42 | loke | hey guys, have you ever sent faxes with linux? |
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| 21:47.02 | simonrvn | @tell Pedro about root |
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| 21:47.11 | FieldySnuts | I once tried to set up hylafax, what a pain. gave up |
| 21:47.17 | loke | really |
| 21:47.29 | loke | FieldySnuts ive tried gfax |
| 21:47.40 | loke | but when i run faxrunq i get > |
| 21:47.41 | loke | Trying fax device '/dev/ttyS1'... cannot set termio values! |
| 21:47.47 | loke | ./usr/sbin/sendfax: cannot access fax device(s) (locked?) |
| 21:47.58 | simonrvn | BucWheat: dpkg -L gdm | grep -i session |
| 21:48.20 | loke | and i tried using /dev/ttyS0 also with same error |
| 21:48.32 | BucWheat | simonrvn thanks |
| 21:48.33 | FieldySnuts | no idea never used it |
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| 21:48.43 | abydos | what's with this, sarge's apt can fetch 2 files at once? |
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| 21:49.02 | loke | FieldySnuts how can i tell if my modem is setup right, and compiled in the kernel? |
| 21:49.10 | abydos | or it was for a bit |
| 21:49.11 | FieldySnuts | no clue |
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| 21:49.20 | doub | hu there |
| 21:49.25 | Paganist | I just installed xpde for testing it and added a xpde.desktop in /usr/share/xsession and restarted gdm but it won't show xpde in the sessions i can select... Anyone has an idea why ? something i missed |
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| 21:49.26 | Paganist | ? |
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| 21:51.04 | BucWheat | simonrvn i still don't see a dir with sessions like IceWM, KDE, Default, etc. |
| 21:51.33 | simonrvn | Paganist: should at minimum have Name=foo Exec=bar, Type=Application IIRC |
| 21:51.34 | FieldySnuts | silly |
| 21:51.41 | simonrvn | BucWheat: see what Paganist said |
| 21:52.02 | Paganist | simonrvn: i got this, i took the kde.desktop as "template" |
| 21:52.07 | simonrvn | it's xsessions FYI, not xsession |
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| 21:52.31 | scarynetworkguy | !topicsmite demonsdread |
| 21:52.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon demonsdread. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:52.47 | scarynetworkguy | demonsdread: Don't msg me. Ever. Thanks. |
| 21:52.48 | Duzchip | i've installed apache with apt-get.. how do i start it as a daemon? |
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| 21:53.12 | drac | Duzchip: /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 21:53.15 | simonrvn | oh yeh, it's sunday... |
| 21:53.16 | Paganist | Yes, xsessions, it's what i used... but i don't get why it didn't work |
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| 21:53.44 | FieldySnuts | yeah. |
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| 21:54.07 | Duzchip | drac: hmm, there is no apache-file |
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| 21:54.11 | simonrvn | apt: 'bout time... |
| 21:54.22 | fsc | what package has the gl/glx headers and dev libraries? mesa? |
| 21:54.22 | FieldySnuts | apache2? |
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| 21:54.31 | Duzchip | yeah never mind me |
| 21:54.31 | simonrvn | Duzchip: what? |
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| 21:54.37 | Duzchip | forgot that it was apache2 i installed :D |
| 21:54.57 | loke | what is the name of that gnome minicom app? |
| 21:54.59 | Duzchip | still i cant connect to the server when i started it |
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| 21:55.04 | doub | simonrvn: so do you? but it's worse than a drug |
| 21:55.05 | loke | what other apps are there like minicom? |
| 21:55.27 | Duzchip | well, it doesn't seem to start |
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| 21:55.37 | FieldySnuts | logs. |
| 21:55.37 | petemc | loke: gtkterm |
| 21:55.40 | loke | ahh |
| 21:55.44 | Duzchip | when i type "./apache2" or "./apache2 start" nothing happens |
| 21:55.45 | cafuego | Duzchip: Then normally you'd check its logs and see why it wasn't starting. |
| 21:55.46 | loke | petemc thank you |
| 21:55.48 | FieldySnuts | logs. |
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| 21:56.42 | Duzchip | cafuego: nothing in the logs |
| 21:56.46 | Duzchip | the logs are empty |
| 21:56.53 | FieldySnuts | sigj |
| 21:56.56 | doub | Duzchip: is some apache process appearing when issuing "ps aux" ? |
| 21:57.00 | Duzchip | what should i type from the start to install apache2, mysql & php |
| 21:57.11 | Duzchip | doub: nope |
| 21:57.12 | cafuego | Duzchip: Then you run it manually and see what happens (NOT via init.d) |
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| 21:57.33 | Duzchip | cafuego: how? |
| 21:57.34 | loke | can anyone help me to send a fax |
| 21:57.38 | cafuego | !lart Duzchip |
| 21:57.41 | loke | when i run faxrunq i get |
| 21:57.46 | loke | Trying fax device '/dev/ttyS1'... cannot set termio values! |
| 21:57.51 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: here, have these pliars. good for pulling teeth. |
| 21:57.52 | loke | ./usr/sbin/sendfax: cannot access fax device(s) (locked?) |
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| 21:58.16 | cafuego | Duzchip: Do you not know how to run an appilocation? |
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| 21:59.02 | Duzchip | cafuego: yes but i cant find any executable files |
| 21:59.03 | loke | my modem is /dev/ttyS0 by default correct? |
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| 21:59.08 | Duzchip | i have both apache and apache2 installed |
| 21:59.09 | loke | or is it /dev/ttyS1? |
| 21:59.17 | FieldySnuts | @stfu loke |
| 21:59.17 | doub | loke: how do we know? |
| 21:59.19 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP loke! |
| 21:59.24 | cafuego | Duzchip: Can't find them? Where are you looking? |
| 21:59.28 | loke | doub how can i tell? |
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| 21:59.36 | bob2 | come on |
| 21:59.52 | loke | bob2 im trying to send a fax |
| 21:59.55 | doub | loke: by knowing on which port you plugged it, maybe? |
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| 22:00.07 | bob2 | loke: try them both |
| 22:00.08 | loke | doub i only have one modem |
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| 22:00.13 | loke | bob2 i did |
| 22:00.18 | bob2 | then? |
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| 22:00.27 | loke | i get an error |
| 22:00.39 | loke | Trying fax device '/dev/ttyS1'... cannot set termio values! |
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| 22:00.47 | Duzchip | cafuego: /usr/share/apache and /usr/share/apache2 |
| 22:00.55 | doub | loke: chances are it's /dev/ttyS0 if there's only one |
| 22:01.06 | loke | doub i still get the same error |
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| 22:01.10 | cafuego | Duzchip: Since when do applications not live in either a bin or sbin directory? |
| 22:01.11 | loke | ./usr/sbin/sendfax: cannot access fax device(s) (locked?) |
| 22:01.27 | loke | cannot set termino values |
| 22:01.36 | doub | loke: did you set serial port settings correctly? |
| 22:01.39 | cafuego | Duzchip: Specifically, /usr/sbin/apache2 and /usr/sbin/apache |
| 22:01.52 | loke | doub i didnt set any port settings |
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| 22:02.02 | FieldySnuts | he probably hasn't edited apache2's configs yet |
| 22:02.02 | doub | loke: dpkg-reconfigure setserial then |
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| 22:02.20 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: That in no way influences the location of the binaries. |
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| 22:02.36 | loke | doub what should i set it to? |
| 22:02.44 | Duzchip | i only have "apache-modconf" - "apache2-ssl-certificate" & "apache2ctl" |
| 22:02.49 | doub | loke: autoconfig once |
| 22:02.58 | doub | loke: or the like |
| 22:03.01 | loke | doub thats what its on |
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| 22:03.07 | cafuego | Duzchip: SO you do in fact NOT have apache or apache2 installed. Well, that's probably why they won't run, then. |
| 22:03.09 | doub | loke: then try accessing your modem with minicom |
| 22:03.15 | ramasun | hi, how do I grant users access to usb-devices (like a digital camera via PTP)? |
| 22:03.17 | loke | doub i did |
| 22:03.22 | doub | loke: be shure to setup minicom correctly first |
| 22:03.23 | delire | anyone here use the ipw2200 (centrino)? |
| 22:03.24 | loke | doub how can i tell if it works? |
| 22:03.29 | bob2 | ramasun: put them in plugdev |
| 22:03.31 | loke | doub minicom starts |
| 22:03.36 | bob2 | delire: better to ask your actual question |
| 22:03.39 | doub | loke: typing "ATZ" should answer "OK" |
| 22:03.48 | delire | bob2: sure ok |
| 22:03.58 | loke | doub its internal |
| 22:04.00 | Duzchip | cafuego: what should i type to install apache then? (with mysql & php please) |
| 22:04.12 | chitiri | anyone here use a toshiba tecra 8200, i'm having trouble with CPU speed |
| 22:04.20 | bob2 | Duzchip: this is in the faq |
| 22:04.23 | doub | loke: it's not a winmodem, is it? |
| 22:04.30 | bob2 | Duzchip: apache, php4-mysql and maybe mysql-server |
| 22:04.31 | cafuego | Duzchip: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 mysql-server php4-mysql |
| 22:04.33 | loke | doub i dont know |
| 22:04.37 | loke | doub how do i tell |
| 22:04.38 | bob2 | I'm not sure why people disengage their brain |
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| 22:04.45 | cafuego | bob2: huh? |
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| 22:04.58 | doub | bob2: brain? what's that? |
| 22:05.08 | loke | doub when i start minicom i cant type anything |
| 22:05.19 | doub | loke: maybe "lspci" will list some device ressembling yours |
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| 22:05.25 | loke | k |
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| 22:05.41 | loke | 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) |
| 22:05.51 | ramasun | bob2: you mean /etc/udev/rules.d/z_hal-plugdev.rules ?? |
| 22:05.52 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 22:05.55 | cafuego | Can I suggest hylafax is going to malke you want to kill yourself? |
| 22:05.57 | bob2 | so you don't have a modem |
| 22:06.04 | bob2 | you have a POS win"modem" |
| 22:06.05 | loke | bob2 i dont? |
| 22:06.09 | loke | really |
| 22:06.12 | abrotman | win modems rule! |
| 22:06.16 | loke | bob2 so im fucked? |
| 22:06.16 | cafuego | loke: That's a soundcard without a speaker. WinModem. Just give up now. |
| 22:06.25 | bob2 | loke: might work |
| 22:06.29 | loke | fuck! |
| 22:06.32 | bob2 | but it will be a huge pain in the arse |
| 22:06.33 | abrotman | loke: it's better to get a real modem |
| 22:06.39 | loke | i know winmodem+linux = shit |
| 22:06.40 | footbarn | I try to do apt-related things, get this: fork failed: cannot allocate memory. I've got 128megs of Ram, no swap space (I forgot; just installed sarge yesterday) and I'm running a fair bit of stuff in the background |
| 22:06.42 | paulswm | !beat resiak and FieldySnuts |
| 22:06.44 | abrotman | loke: usr still makes real pci modems |
| 22:06.44 | doub | loke: try http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/ac97-modem/ |
| 22:06.52 | cafuego | loke: winmodem+windows = also shit |
| 22:06.57 | loke | lol |
| 22:06.58 | loke | fuck |
| 22:06.59 | footbarn | is that error a lack of memory? |
| 22:07.01 | bob2 | loke: www.linmodems.org |
| 22:07.08 | doub | loke: or buy a modem |
| 22:07.12 | bob2 | footbarn: yes |
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| 22:07.17 | Flimzy | footbarn: probably. Install some swap. |
| 22:07.19 | cafuego | ahaa! |
| 22:07.31 | loke | hey, so i winmodem + linux a waste of time? |
| 22:07.37 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 22:07.38 | delire | anyone here experiencing 'receive_packet failed' when trying to be given an IP (DHCP) with the ipw2200? also, i'm getting intermittent dropoffs from the network, an attempt to /etc/init.d/networking restart either times out of gives the error mentioned. my other centrino has on such problems. syslog gives no clues either. |
| 22:07.41 | loke | should i just go get an external modem |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | delire: #ipw2100 |
| 22:07.55 | loke | are all internal modems winmodems? |
| 22:08.00 | doub | loke: might work or not. but you'd better buy a modem |
| 22:08.00 | bob2 | loke: no |
| 22:08.01 | Flimzy | loke: no |
| 22:08.02 | delire | abrotman: thanks. |
| 22:08.04 | bob2 | but almost all PCI ones are |
| 22:08.05 | FieldySnuts | no, but it's difficult to tell if they are or not |
| 22:08.16 | loke | doub will do |
| 22:08.17 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: It's not that hard |
| 22:08.18 | FieldySnuts | thank the lameass manufacturers |
| 22:08.18 | bob2 | ipw2?00 are all kinda dodge |
| 22:08.20 | loke | ok, thanks guys |
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| 22:08.23 | ugexe | does tmpfs take up ram space? like if it says tmpfs is 512mb, does that mean that 512mb of ram is not available to be used as ram? |
| 22:08.23 | paulswm | loke: no, it can work, but a real modem is inexpensive and so much better, just make sure it's "controller based" |
| 22:08.28 | bob2 | the kernel resets my ipw2100 likie every five seconds |
| 22:08.36 | abrotman | likie? |
| 22:08.38 | delire | bob2: odd. |
| 22:08.40 | loke | paulswm controller based? |
| 22:08.42 | abrotman | bob2: likie like? |
| 22:08.47 | Flimzy | loke: USR makes a decent PCI hardware modem. |
| 22:08.53 | footbarn | Yeah, lack of memory. I've got a 80GB HD, 3 partitions: boot, home, /. I've set up home to use the remaining space. What's the best way to take about 128MB from /home and make a swap partition? |
| 22:08.59 | cafuego | bob2: ndiswrapper to the rescue? |
| 22:08.59 | loke | flimzy ok |
| 22:09.17 | bob2 | cafuego: ew. |
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| 22:09.22 | abrotman | loke: http://www.usr.com/products/home/home-product.asp?sku=USR5610B .. i think |
| 22:09.23 | el` | hardware modems are normally physically larger... winmodems are normally very small |
| 22:09.34 | Flimzy | footbarn: dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/swapfile bs=1024 count=131072; mkswap /home/swapfile |
| 22:09.36 | loke | ok |
| 22:09.36 | bob2 | cafuego: my friend on windows has even more problems, since apparently reseting it under windows = reboot |
| 22:09.40 | delire | bob2: i remember having no such problems on a 2.6.9 kernel. moving to 2.6.10 seems to be the related to this issue. |
| 22:09.42 | Flimzy | footbarn: swapon /home/swapfile |
| 22:09.45 | footbarn | thanks Flimzy |
| 22:09.46 | paulswm | loke: Yes, that means there is a real cojtroller on the modem and it isn't relying on a software controller, which is what a winmodem is, and Flimzy is right, USR makes decent controller based modems |
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| 22:09.57 | Flimzy | footbarn: If you put that in /etc/fstab, put it *AFTER* /home is mounted. |
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| 22:10.08 | cafuego | bob2: <heh> I thought Intel said Centrino saved power; doesn't a reboot drain the battery like mad? |
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| 22:10.14 | loke | k |
| 22:10.15 | delire | cafuego: yes |
| 22:10.15 | doub | ugexe: it only takes used space of ram + a little for filesystem metadata. it can also use swap if you're short in ram |
| 22:10.16 | footbarn | will it get mounted correctly when I reboot? |
| 22:10.27 | footbarn | Flimzy: how would I mount that in fstab? similar line as /home? |
| 22:10.28 | Flimzy | paulswm: USR is the first company to make a controller based PCI modem... and AFAIK, may still be the only one. |
| 22:11.00 | Flimzy | loke: Incidentally, most modern winmodems have a software controller *and* software DSP. |
| 22:11.02 | doub | ugexe: but be shure not to overcome total available virtual memory as it will crash your box |
| 22:11.04 | abrotman | paulswm: "Designed for windows/n00bs" :) |
| 22:11.06 | cafuego | paulswm: That's what the ugly coloured logo stands for |
| 22:11.06 | Flimzy | footbarn: similar, but not identical. |
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| 22:11.19 | Flimzy | footbarn: there's a slightly different syntax for swap |
| 22:11.20 | ugexe | doub: when you say used space of ram.. do you mean the amount being used, or the amount listed under df as available? |
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| 22:11.24 | cafuego | "Designed for 3GHz machines with not enough ram" |
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| 22:11.33 | footbarn | alright |
| 22:11.33 | footbarn | thanks |
| 22:11.44 | paulswm | loke: generally, "designed for windows" means "this is cheapassed crap which needs a lot of your CPU to work" |
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| 22:11.46 | doub | ugexe: the amount of space used of course |
| 22:11.57 | tren | Hi, is possible mount ext3 partition with umask 002 ? |
| 22:12.18 | cafuego | tren: Did you try by addit umask=002 in fstab? |
| 22:12.27 | Flimzy | paulswm: That's not really true... "Designed for Windows" usually means "We paid M$ money to use their logo on our product." |
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| 22:12.32 | tren | I've read man, and umask is there only for vfat described |
| 22:12.36 | jetscreamer | paulswm++ |
| 22:12.43 | paulswm | :D |
| 22:12.44 | cafuego | tren: Just try, see if it works. |
| 22:12.49 | Flimzy | paulswm: And generally has no bearing on the actual (lack of) quality of the product |
| 22:12.54 | tren | cafuego: I've tryied it with mount command..and I can't get it work :( |
| 22:13.02 | cafuego | mount -n -o remount,umask=002 /some/disk |
| 22:13.22 | cafuego | tren: If it won't work, it probably shouldn't work, in which case the answer to your question is 'no' :-) |
| 22:13.23 | paulswm | Flimzy: Your assertion may be right in some cases, but certainly not for modems |
| 22:13.47 | tren | cafuego: mount: /tmp not mounted already, or bad option |
| 22:14.05 | cafuego | tren: Then it doens't support it. |
| 22:14.19 | cafuego | tren: You don't want to change file modes on /tmp anyway. It will break stuff. |
| 22:14.20 | Flimzy | paulswm: Many hardware modems say "designed for windows", too. |
| 22:14.43 | tren | cafuego: I know, it was only "fast" test ...I need it for other partition |
| 22:15.07 | Flimzy | paulswm: And sadly, many hardware modems may even say "Requires Windows 98 or better" (or similar) even if it is hardware modem... just to reduce load on their tech support department. (I used to work for such a company... *sigh*) |
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| 22:15.14 | ugexe | designed for windows is just a tool used by microsoft to make hardware manufacturers conform to what they believe they should |
| 22:15.16 | paulswm | Flimzy: Not the case for USR the last time I looked, that's one way you could tell whether it was a winmodem or not |
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| 22:15.23 | tren | cafuego: so it really looks, like umask option is not supported for ext2/3 :( |
| 22:15.27 | abrotman | Flimzy: that isn't what the logo means |
| 22:15.37 | Flimzy | paulswm: USR is generally a non-evil company |
| 22:15.41 | footbarn | Flimzy: for that fstab line, would it be: /dev/hda3 /home/swap swap defaults 0 2? That seems wrong somehow |
| 22:15.57 | Flimzy | footbarn: that's probably about right |
| 22:15.58 | jetscreamer | usr's hardware modems cost like 90 bucks or so retail |
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| 22:16.05 | footbarn | ok |
| 22:16.07 | footbarn | thanks |
| 22:16.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: the hardware ones do |
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| 22:16.20 | jetscreamer | yeah not the winmodems is my point |
| 22:16.25 | Flimzy | footbarn: mine says: /dev/hda3 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 22:16.29 | paulswm | Flimzy: Yes, I agree, but they make controller and non-controller modems, and the non-controller ones used to say "designed especially for windows" and the controller ones didn't. |
| 22:16.33 | Flimzy | footbarn: You probably want /home/swapfile none swap sw 0 0 |
| 22:16.38 | footbarn | alright, thanks |
| 22:17.13 | cafuego | paulswm: Which made retards think they were somehow better. (They're designed ESPECIALLY for windows, no?) so the others started adding it, too. |
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| 22:17.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.26 | Flimzy | footbarn: Note that using a swap file is often MUCH SLOWER than a swap partition. |
| 22:17.28 | paulswm | jetscreamer: Yeah, but I'm sure you can get a good deal at pricewatch.com |
| 22:17.32 | Flimzy | footbarn: Especially a well-placed swap partition. |
| 22:17.36 | footbarn | Flimzy: thats fine |
| 22:17.41 | footbarn | 128mb should be enough |
| 22:17.42 | Flimzy | footbarn: It should generally only be used as a stop-gap measure. |
| 22:17.52 | paulswm | cafuego: Right on, man |
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| 22:17.58 | Flimzy | footbarn: 128mb should be enough if you're not using you computer :P |
| 22:18.05 | footbarn | When I ran apt-related stuff with gdm and a cd player, it ran out of memory. |
| 22:18.11 | paulswm | Heh, 64K used to be enough |
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| 22:18.28 | doub | footbarn: that sounds like "640 ko should be enough for everyone" |
| 22:18.31 | Flimzy | footbarn: Also note that if I were you, I would compltely reformat. boot, /, and /home as your only partitions is very non-standard (and for good reasons). Unless you have a VERY specific need for such a partition scheme, you probably don't really want that. |
| 22:18.44 | footbarn | Flimzy: oddly enough, top shows 119mb total |
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| 22:18.47 | jetscreamer | you ran mkswap -v1 on it eh |
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| 22:19.09 | cafuego | footbarn: *what* ran out of memory? apt? |
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| 22:19.11 | Flimzy | footbarn: It doesn't show memory used by the kernel |
| 22:19.11 | footbarn | Flimzy: whats wrong with /, boot, and home? |
| 22:19.20 | footbarn | cafuego: yeah, fork failed: cant allocate memory |
| 22:19.22 | footbarn | Flimzy: oh |
| 22:19.26 | gandy909 | anyone know the proper syntax to add loop mounted debian-update-3.0r4-i386-(1|2).iso's in sources.list? |
| 22:19.40 | Flimzy | footbarn: / should be isolated from the rest of the system.... so that if your disk fills, or you have errors, you can still boot to fix things |
| 22:19.44 | cafuego | footbarn: Ok, that's the bad one (there's also a benign out-of-memory problem) |
| 22:19.49 | Flimzy | footbarn: Which means /usr and /var (especially /var) should be on separate partitions. |
| 22:19.56 | footbarn | alright |
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| 22:20.05 | footbarn | this is just a desktop machine though. |
| 22:20.08 | Flimzy | gandy909: $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:20.33 | doub | gandy909: [path to iso] [mount point] iso9660 defaults,loop,ro 0 0 |
| 22:20.41 | Flimzy | footbarn: If you're happy with the prospect of an error on your HD preventing you from booting, then I guess that's okay |
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| 22:20.44 | Flimzy | footbarn: I only use a desktop machine, too. |
| 22:20.49 | paulswm | Flimzy: I agree re your partitioning remarks, IIRC the default on sarge install is swap, / and /home though, so there's prolly a fair number of people with that sucky partitioning scheme |
| 22:20.49 | Flimzy | footbarn: And I still isolate / |
| 22:21.02 | cafuego | !lose doub |
| 22:21.03 | dpkg | doub: You Lose. |
| 22:21.04 | jetscreamer | heh.... how about "give me money please <link to paypal account>" as a quit msg |
| 22:21.06 | Flimzy | paulswm: that's evil |
| 22:21.07 | footbarn | Flimzy: I dont really feel like another 3-hour installation of software. |
| 22:21.20 | Flimzy | paulswm: That's something RH or Mandrake should be doing :P |
| 22:21.24 | paulswm | Flimzy: Ain't that the truth |
| 22:21.28 | doub | cafuego: why is that? |
| 22:21.44 | cafuego | doub: You didn't even come close to answering his question. |
| 22:21.51 | Flimzy | footbarn: On a 128mb system, you could probably vastly improve performance by repartitioning, and putting swap in a wise place, too. |
| 22:21.52 | gandy909 | doub: I have the iso mounted, I just cant get the sources.list line right to make use of it |
| 22:21.57 | chugga | if anyone has this, can they please send it to me: u176v046.bin |
| 22:21.59 | cafuego | doub: see? |
| 22:22.06 | doub | cafuego: yep. i need to sleep |
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| 22:22.11 | doub | !loose me |
| 22:22.12 | dpkg | You lose doub! [and doub can't spell, either.] |
| 22:22.13 | Flimzy | footbarn: with enough care, you could get by without reinstalling... altho it would probably take about as long, and you may save effort to reinstall |
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| 22:22.18 | footbarn | Flimzy: 3 hours to download 500mb. and that was at a local computer center. |
| 22:22.23 | paulswm | jetscreamer: Someone would pay, I'm sure |
| 22:22.35 | Flimzy | footbarn: You could save your apt cache |
| 22:22.41 | doub | ok, is anyone having a rope, a gun, or something? definitely not my day |
| 22:22.43 | Flimzy | footbarn: then you wouldn't have to d/l much of anything again |
| 22:22.49 | footbarn | Flimzy: yeah, true. but still. |
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| 22:23.22 | Flimzy | footbarn: oh well. It's your substandard installation... your pain, not mine. Do as you will. |
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| 22:23.33 | footbarn | thanks for the advice though |
| 22:23.44 | paulswm | jetscreamer: "send me money or I'll kill the bunny rabbit" (someone's actually doing that and has apparently collected a few $thou) |
| 22:23.57 | gandy909 | flimsy, what is the standard way of partitioning a debian web server out? |
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| 22:24.31 | jetscreamer | paulswm, think i heard about that, sounds familiar |
| 22:24.58 | jetscreamer | !kill doub |
| 22:25.01 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 22:25.48 | doub | gandy909: apt-cdrom -m is your friend |
| 22:25.51 | doub | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 22:25.59 | jetscreamer | np, anytime |
| 22:26.03 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 22:27.11 | jetscreamer | gandy909, dselect might be able to set that up also.. i'd try apt-cdrom first maybe (if i was you that is, me i use dselect) |
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| 22:27.54 | abrotman | bah ... can't we ever get a break! |
| 22:27.56 | jetscreamer | how's the ati coming, hogballs |
| 22:28.20 | jetscreamer | you done yet? |
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| 22:29.01 | doub | abrotman: huh, /quit is your friend maybe :) |
| 22:29.24 | gandy909 | doub, WOW! Thanks |
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| 22:29.26 | abrotman | doub: i've been good today :) |
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| 22:29.43 | jetscreamer | !kiss doub |
| 22:29.45 | paulswm | doub: you should see him when he's not good |
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| 22:30.36 | gandy909 | can I increase the number of allowed loop devices short of recompiling a kernel? Someone said it was a compile time number |
| 22:30.55 | jetscreamer | no, i said i think |
| 22:31.34 | doub | paulswm: i'd rather not, in fact :) |
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| 22:33.04 | Spacewalker | Hallo |
| 22:33.17 | doub | abrotman: that's not the point, you just said you'd like a break |
| 22:33.35 | gandy909 | can I increase the number of allowed loop devices short of recompiling a kernel? Or, is it as simple as increasing the loop count in /dev/MAKEDEV? |
| 22:33.48 | Spacewalker | i need help with debian how can i install screen on debian/confixx? |
| 22:33.49 | abrotman | doub: not from #debian .. from certain people that keep returning .. like you! |
| 22:33.50 | abrotman | :) |
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| 22:33.58 | marco | test |
| 22:34.02 | abrotman | no workie |
| 22:34.04 | Spacewalker | bestanden |
| 22:34.16 | kirbymeister | I have a question, I'm trying to open a *.zip file, but Archive Manager says it cannot find the 'unzip' program. |
| 22:34.24 | gandy909 | test reply to test |
| 22:34.26 | abrotman | kirbymeister: install it .. |
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| 22:34.27 | doub | abrotman: i'm really sorry. at the same time, so do you. where's it leading us ? |
| 22:34.30 | cafuego | kirbymeister: well, install it, then. |
| 22:34.41 | humbolt | I wanna play more than one sound source at a time in gnome and maybe at the same time in kde. there is a switch enable sound server startup in the system sound setup of gnome, what does it do? and why is gstreamer not using the running artsd when I tell it to? |
| 22:34.52 | marco | ·· |
| 22:34.52 | abrotman | doub: west virginia |
| 22:34.59 | Spacewalker | hallo could some one help me? |
| 22:35.12 | drac | !someone |
| 22:35.12 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:35.20 | doub | abrotman: that far? and for free? that's great |
| 22:35.34 | abrotman | doub: never been there have you? |
| 22:35.42 | doub | abrotman: never been to US |
| 22:35.50 | abrotman | doub: thank your god |
| 22:35.51 | ZyX | i did a xmodmap -e 'keycode 33 = p P' but alt-p still put out some strange character instead of doing bash's history search.. any clues?? |
| 22:35.51 | Spacewalker | i have an v-server with debian/confixx and i need screen too use a programm |
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| 22:36.53 | pingouin_ | what tools in command line to rip->xvid/divx a dvd ? |
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| 22:37.21 | doub | abrotman: i'm as glad as you ;) |
| 22:37.40 | jnk | humbolt, the switch alows you to choose the sound server (such as artsd I guess) so this is where you must choose artsd if possible, but arts is kde specific I think |
| 22:38.00 | paulswm | abrotman: Hey, I think living in the US great! |
| 22:38.08 | abrotman | paulswm: you don't live in WV |
| 22:38.34 | paulswm | abrotman: Oh, I thought you meant the US in general |
| 22:38.41 | maher | abrotman: eat your ramps.... |
| 22:38.49 | paulswm | abrotman: I lived in KY though, does that count |
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| 22:39.03 | abrotman | maher: my ramps of what? |
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| 22:39.16 | abrotman | paulswm: close enough i guess |
| 22:39.26 | maher | abrotman: ramps ar ethings you eat in wv |
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| 22:39.45 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 22:39.46 | paulswm | abrotman: Nah, not even close, I know what you mean |
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| 22:41.26 | Yoyoma_2 | Hey all i just got a new hard drive, my old hard drive is on a usb caddy right now. Can i simply "copy" over the files from one partition to the other and then boot from it? |
| 22:41.27 | peterS | maher: wow. I'm slow today, I saw 'ramps are things you eat in wv' and I was thinking "you *eat* things in Word Viewer"? |
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| 22:41.37 | Python_ | hello everyone |
| 22:41.48 | Yoyoma_2 | Or does linux have a program like "ghost"? |
| 22:41.53 | abrotman | sysimager |
| 22:41.56 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 22:41.56 | Python_ | partimage |
| 22:42.04 | Python_ | abrotman partimage |
| 22:42.06 | peterS | Yoyoma_2: nothing with the features of ghost, except ghost itself, which I believe does support linux |
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| 22:42.11 | abrotman | sysimager |
| 22:42.15 | abrotman | !info sysimage |
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| 22:42.20 | maher | peterS: when you're on the pacman level in wordviewer... |
| 22:42.24 | abrotman | wtf is it called .. grr |
| 22:42.27 | Yoyoma_2 | peterS: See i need to have access to USB 2.0 under dos if i use ghost.. |
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| 22:42.39 | Python_ | partimage |
| 22:42.41 | peterS | maher: right, exactly. I was like "wv is a *game*? I only ever used it to read Word docs" |
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| 22:42.55 | Yoyoma_2 | Also the new machine is an 64bit machine, the old was an athlon32. But i don't estimate any big changes.. |
| 22:43.12 | peterS | Yoyoma_2: your BIOS doesn't supply access to USB 2.0 disks? I'd expect it to |
| 22:43.20 | abrotman | under dos ? |
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| 22:43.32 | Python_ | ? dos |
| 22:43.36 | Python_ | no its for linux |
| 22:43.43 | cafuego | Does it even BOOT dos? |
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| 22:43.46 | peterS | abrotman: yeah. DOS doesn't really have device drivers for disks, it relies on the BIOS. if the BIOS can boot a USB disk, it should provide said disk to DOS as well |
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| 22:44.35 | peterS | abrotman: assuming you've got the disk plugged in at boot time. I wouldn't expect the BIOS to implement hotplug (: |
| 22:44.39 | abrotman | systememiager |
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| 22:44.41 | Python_ | has anyone hear used astaro firewall's |
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| 22:44.44 | abrotman | bah .. screw the spelling |
| 22:44.55 | abrotman | peterS: i didn't ask for dos .. he did :) |
| 22:44.58 | distempr | Is there a method.. or program that will "contact" another server to perform maintenance tasks? ie, I'm looking at monitoring game services or others, if one goes down the master server detects it, and tells the slave to re-start the service. If there's no solution, I'd be willing at programming one, but the security implications are phenomenal. Any ideas? |
| 22:45.09 | peterS | I know |
| 22:45.11 | Python_ | ? i am trying to configure one and having a vary hard time |
| 22:45.13 | Demon` | I can't make coLinux boot into my Debian partiton, has anyone had any luck with that? |
| 22:45.33 | abrotman | did you ask the colinux channel? |
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| 22:46.12 | heiner | distempr: could you just use "ssh" or "rsh"? |
| 22:46.41 | Demon` | abrotman: well, there's no one there |
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| 22:46.55 | SilentBob | What is the proper way to complete uninstall a kernel? |
| 22:47.01 | SilentBob | And remove the grub.conf lines |
| 22:47.25 | peterS | SilentBob: apt-get remove kernel-image-whatever, same as other packages |
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| 22:48.59 | SilentBob | petemc, What if I got vanilla sources.. |
| 22:49.03 | SilentBob | And installed/compiled those. |
| 22:49.07 | SilentBob | Still do the apt-get command? |
| 22:49.10 | peterS | SilentBob: then do exactly the opposite of what you did to insatll them |
| 22:49.18 | SilentBob | ./configure |
| 22:49.22 | SilentBob | make uninstall |
| 22:49.23 | SilentBob | ? |
| 22:49.31 | peterS | SilentBob: you didn't run ./configure on your vanilla kernel sources |
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| 22:50.46 | bucky | Python_, use debian for a firewall |
| 22:51.19 | cafuego | SilentBob: To remove that kernel, you need 'rm' and 'vi'. |
| 22:51.51 | SilentBob | cafuego, rm from /boot? |
| 22:51.56 | SilentBob | cafuego, what do I vi? |
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| 22:52.15 | brynjarh | My friend was bugging me all day while wisting: "What?? You don't have 3D acceleration? So you can't play GAMES on your computer?? Why can't I play these WMA files?? Hey I can't access flash based web sites on your computer! .... free software sucks man!" , how would you respond to something like that? |
| 22:52.20 | cafuego | SilentBob: Oh, just pick anyfile. |
| 22:52.28 | maher | SilentBob: why do you need to remove the old kernel |
| 22:52.31 | Rambo3 | i just switched to xp an processor fan started spinning , it wasnt working with debian ,anyone know why this is , using kernel 2.6.8 on a laptop . is ther something that slows down fan speed? |
| 22:52.33 | bob2 | brynjarh: "use windows then" |
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| 22:52.43 | bob2 | brynjarh: or set all that useless crap up |
| 22:52.45 | bob2 | either way |
| 22:52.45 | peterS | SilentBob: your kernel, System.map and config files are in /boot. your modules are in /lib/modules/. grub config is in /boot/grub/menu.lst. lilo config is in /etc/lilo.conf. |
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| 22:53.13 | cafuego | brynjarh: By installing flash/mplayer/3D or teloling him you don't need it, so why bother installing it. |
| 22:53.21 | ugexe | brynjarh, basically all that stuff can already be done in linux... hell isnt there a emulator specifically for games |
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| 22:53.54 | jdebian | i´m problem to access internet. Is there anyone could help me??? |
| 22:54.05 | cafuego | brynjarh: Then ask him of his WinXP64 has 64bit SATA drivers yet. |
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| 22:54.51 | ugexe | or if he even paid for his winxp |
| 22:54.59 | distempr | I could use ssh, though that seems a tad... unorthodox. And would require me to ssh in as root... icky. |
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| 22:55.39 | brynjarh | bob2, cafuego, ugexe: yea.. :) , well I just told him if he didn't like it he could just use windows and that Debian does everything that I need done though it might not fit his needs. |
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| 22:56.06 | distempr | Rambo3: what kind of laptop? |
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| 22:56.25 | peetah | i'm using visudo, but when i enter: "nobody ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL" it still requests a password to be entered. IS there anyway i'm doing something wrong? |
| 22:56.26 | Rambo3 | blue one , no it s a compaq evo |
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| 22:56.35 | Rambo3 | intel p3 |
| 22:56.35 | cafuego | brynjarh: Well, on my 32bit chroot (for shit software) flahs works, 3d works (on 64 too), java works en games run fine on cedega. |
| 22:56.55 | bob2 | peetah: er |
| 22:57.07 | cafuego | brynjarh: All that whilst my wife can run openOffice.org on the same box at the same time ;-) |
| 22:57.11 | bob2 | peetah: giving 'nobody' sudo rights is a terrible terrible terrible idea |
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| 22:57.35 | peetah | bob2: don't worry about that! what i'm i doing wrong? |
| 22:57.46 | bob2 | distempr: use sudo over ssh |
| 22:57.49 | bob2 | peetah: er, I will worry |
| 22:57.55 | bob2 | I'm not going to help someone do stupid things |
| 22:58.16 | peetah | bob2: well i need user (99) nobody to be able to run shell commands e.g mpg123 |
| 22:58.24 | cafuego | peetah: why? |
| 22:58.31 | peetah | cafuego: i'm making a mp3 server. |
| 22:58.35 | peetah | it's done |
| 22:58.43 | bob2 | then make the daemon run as "mp3player" or something |
| 22:58.43 | peetah | just migrating from perl to php |
| 22:58.47 | cafuego | peetah: Why don't you make a user called 'guest' and have THEM run mpg321? |
| 22:59.07 | distempr | bob2: that's an idea! thx! |
| 22:59.15 | peetah | cafuego: because i don't know how to auth as 'guest' when running commands on a webserver. |
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| 22:59.18 | distempr | sometimes it just helps to talk about it. |
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| 22:59.27 | maher | peetah: nobody is a special user who is deliberately not meant to be able to do much |
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| 22:59.40 | cafuego | peetah: That seems like a bad excuse for doing something stupid. |
| 23:00.17 | Rambo3 | distempr > when laptop boots , the fan is on full speed, after grub starts debian fan slows down to almost no speed |
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| 23:00.36 | peetah | cafuego: well i do not intend to google a lot just how to figure out how todo so when i can use sudo. |
| 23:00.43 | cafuego | Rambo3: That's normal behaviour. |
| 23:00.48 | distempr | Rambo3: what make of laptop? |
| 23:00.51 | peetah | Therefor i'm using sudo to allow it to run mpg123 |
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| 23:01.09 | distempr | Rambo3: you may need supporting modules, or utilities to manage your laptop's behaviour. |
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| 23:01.39 | Rambo3 | well added them when i compile the kernel |
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| 23:02.06 | peetah | bob2: well how would it be stupid to enable nobody to run a passhtru('mpg123 --params'); ? |
| 23:02.09 | distempr | Rambo3: and as cafuego stated that's normal, and chances are you had cpufreq running .. therefore the fan slowing down since your cpu got underclocked on boot. |
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| 23:02.48 | cafuego | Rambo3: The fan will normally only spin at top speed at bootup (for a few seconds) and when the machine is overheating. |
| 23:03.07 | Rambo3 | and under windows |
| 23:03.09 | cafuego | Rambo3: it won't be overheating unless you run some cpu-intensive thing for a while. |
| 23:03.11 | maher | peetah: what are youtrying to do |
| 23:03.12 | Rambo3 | sometimes |
| 23:03.50 | peetah | maher: just playing mp3's using mpg123 |
| 23:03.54 | peetah | via a webserver |
| 23:04.00 | cafuego | peetah: You're trying to add unlimited sudo access for 'nobody'. |
| 23:04.08 | cafuego | peetah: That *is* stupid. |
| 23:04.20 | maher | peetah: why don't you play them as a user |
| 23:04.22 | cafuego | peetah: Just copy mpg321 and setuid it. Sheesh. |
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| 23:04.29 | ignatius | hi |
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| 23:04.45 | ignatius | I was just directed to a .diff patch for something |
| 23:04.50 | drasko | have a question: I installed via apt-get moodle, and now I can approach it via url: localhost/moodle, although the index.php is in my /usr/share/moodle. How? In my httpd.conf file that path is not written anywhere... |
| 23:04.58 | ignatius | I made it executable, how do I use it to fix my problem? |
| 23:05.14 | cafuego | drasko: It has an alias set up in httpd.conf (or srm.conf or soemthing) |
| 23:05.15 | peetah | cafuego: use setuid for uid 99 (nobody) ? |
| 23:05.37 | cafuego | peetah: Ar you shure you should have admin rights on a linux box? |
| 23:05.41 | paulswm | Jeez |
| 23:05.59 | maher | peetah: make a user - make the user play the mp3;s |
| 23:06.02 | doub | peetah: you can try mserv or mpd which are both sound playing daemons, controllable via a web interface, and more |
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| 23:06.14 | peetah | man, i've already written the MP3server. |
| 23:06.17 | peetah | it's working |
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| 23:06.23 | peetah | but i don't want perl as core |
| 23:06.28 | peetah | i want to be php based instead |
| 23:06.29 | cafuego | peetah: Keep in mind php4 will kill mpg321 after 30 seconds. |
| 23:06.36 | peetah | set_time_limit(0); |
| 23:06.39 | peetah | will fix that. |
| 23:06.56 | peetah | but nevermind |
| 23:07.00 | peetah | i'll do it via c++ |
| 23:07.01 | versuchsanstalt | trying to compile dssi i find qframe.h missing. how can i find out which package provides qframe.h? |
| 23:07.06 | cafuego | try C# |
| 23:07.09 | cafuego | it's more shit |
| 23:07.14 | bob2 | versuchsanstalt: libqt3-mt-dev |
| 23:07.23 | bob2 | versuchsanstalt: and install build-essential and read /usr/share/doc/libqt3-mt-dev/README.Debian |
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| 23:07.28 | doub | peetah: i think the best idea is to have an independant process, that you control via a web or whatever |
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| 23:07.44 | versuchsanstalt | bob2: thank you lots. |
| 23:08.02 | maher | peetah: apt-cache search mp3 | grep server |
| 23:08.03 | PerfDave | versuchsanstalt: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 23:08.09 | paulswm | versuchsanstalt: apt-file will help you do that in the future, btw |
| 23:08.18 | peetah | doub: well i use php -q 'source_server.php' running as root. And then i simply open a socket on port 10000 with an encrypted string that tells the script to do different operations like e.g stop/start/skip song etc. |
| 23:08.32 | versuchsanstalt | thank you for the whole line of useful answers. |
| 23:08.37 | peetah | basically i could add php -q 'source_server.php' & >/dev/null and it works. |
| 23:08.47 | peetah | i'll just add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local. |
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| 23:08.50 | paulswm | versuchsanstalt: You are more than welcome :) |
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| 23:09.06 | drasko | cafuego, I suspect it is under some alias, just wher to find this? I cannot see this in httpd.conf |
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| 23:10.55 | paulswm | Grrr, I think that to set up a DHCP Client ID on an XP box I have to edit the fucking registry, Linux wins yet again just for being so much less annoying |
| 23:11.05 | abrotman | paulswm: no |
| 23:11.14 | paulswm | abrotman: No? |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | oh .. id .. dunno |
| 23:11.21 | drasko | cafuego, just found the whole alilas file in /etc/apache/conf.d... ok... thanks... |
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| 23:11.33 | paulswm | !beat abrotman |
| 23:11.40 | anchovie | linux wins at networking |
| 23:11.41 | abrotman | !fish paul |
| 23:11.53 | paulswm | @lart abrotman |
| 23:12.06 | paulswm | Heh |
| 23:12.44 | paulswm | abrotman: Thanks for your quick response anyway, kind of you to help |
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| 23:13.46 | abrotman | !fish anchovie |
| 23:13.59 | ignatius | so anyway |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | paulswm: you can't set it anywhere else? |
| 23:14.19 | anchovie | /me eats trout |
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| 23:15.00 | paulswm | abrotman: No, I've googled all over the place, is that infuriating or what |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | paulswm: use your technet question! |
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| 23:17.24 | paulswm | abrotman: I want to set up dnsmasq to serve a different IP address to piglet running XP as opposed to piglet running Linux, but I want the computer name to remain the same |
| 23:17.47 | paulswm | !blame Microsoft |
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| 23:17.58 | cafuego | paulswm: Aren't fixed IPs handy? :-) |
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| 23:18.08 | Related | cool channel doods! |
| 23:18.16 | Cocheese | Lets do linux |
| 23:18.17 | Related | linux r00ls |
| 23:18.22 | Related | 10101 |
| 23:18.29 | Related | we can talk in binary |
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| 23:18.38 | Related | quick run before they catch us |
| 23:18.42 | Cocheese | how do you say linux users are fags in binary |
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| 23:18.46 | paulswm | cafuego: Yeah but infinite leases via dnsmasq are nicer :) |
| 23:18.48 | Related | 10101 101 010 10 10 10 1 0 |
| 23:18.50 | abrotman | paulswm: yeah .. why not just a fixed ip in windows ? |
| 23:19.09 | brainfreeze | !seen Bill Gates |
| 23:19.09 | dpkg | brainfreeze: i haven't seen 'bill gates' |
| 23:19.10 | Related | ahhh get me out of here before im infected by nerds |
| 23:19.13 | Cocheese | can we roleplay in here |
| 23:19.14 | Related | LOL |
| 23:19.22 | Related | cast a magic spell |
| 23:19.39 | Related | +5 stardust on your dram chip |
| 23:19.39 | Cocheese | thats not the kinda roleplaying i had in mind |
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| 23:19.47 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 23:19.54 | brainfreeze | yo can you help me with windows pinball |
| 23:19.59 | paulswm | abrotman: Because I want to use long-lease DHCPs and I'm buggered if I'm going to let fucking Microsoft stop me :) |
| 23:20.03 | s3itz | You do know #pua is on freenode, right, related? Pretty much a 'geek' network, so don't troll here |
| 23:20.03 | bob2 | brainfreeze: go home |
| 23:20.08 | abrotman | paulswm: oh ok |
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| 23:20.23 | dfgh | what fs is recommended for a 200 GB which will be storing mostly mp3s and movies? considering xfs/reiserfs |
| 23:20.30 | PerfDave | !ricerfs |
| 23:20.31 | dpkg | i guess ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 23:20.32 | bob2 | dfgh: ext3 |
| 23:20.34 | brainfreeze | hey lets get some windows shit on this shit man |
| 23:20.34 | paulswm | abrotman: It has now become a matter of principle :) |
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| 23:20.37 | s3itz | sorry bout that, I sorta know those guys |
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| 23:20.42 | idnar | hahaha |
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| 23:21.05 | abrotman | s3itz: so it's your fault ? |
| 23:21.08 | Cocheese | look im sorry ok |
| 23:21.09 | idnar | bwahaha @ ricerfs |
| 23:21.10 | PerfDave | !which filesystem is if you have to ask, ext3 |
| 23:21.10 | dpkg | okay, PerfDave |
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| 23:21.12 | abrotman | oh .. ban evader!!! |
| 23:21.13 | s3itz | heh I can't control people |
| 23:21.17 | abrotman | ban evader! |
| 23:21.21 | s3itz | I'm here w/ serious intent |
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| 23:21.32 | s3itz | having been a debian user for 7 years |
| 23:21.35 | abrotman | !cookie bob2 |
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| 23:21.39 | dfgh | bob2: oh, why not one of the others? |
| 23:21.45 | abrotman | bob2: wrong kind of cookie .. sorry |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | !milk bob2 |
| 23:21.51 | abrotman | oh crap |
| 23:21.51 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:21.56 | abrotman | i give up |
| 23:21.59 | paulswm | HAHA |
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| 23:22.01 | bob2 | dfgh: because you're not going to have backups, and you don't care about speed |
| 23:22.14 | bob2 | they can /msg me and I'll unban them when I get back if they want |
| 23:23.15 | bob2 | what does "le monde" mean, anyway? |
| 23:23.23 | bob2 | "the news" or such? |
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| 23:23.29 | doub | the world |
| 23:23.36 | ignatius | when you apt-get source something, where does it extract the source? |
| 23:23.37 | bob2 | ah |
| 23:23.40 | bob2 | ignatius: ./ |
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| 23:23.51 | ignatius | oh |
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| 23:23.55 | ignatius | danke shon, bob2 |
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| 23:25.00 | s3itz | ignatius, it doesn't; it downloads to the dir |
| 23:25.04 | PerfDave | ignatius: In the current directory. |
| 23:25.05 | s3itz | then you extract |
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| 23:26.07 | dfgh | bob2: yea but i'll be streaming from it, and do some tv recording |
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| 23:27.17 | NP_complete | can you tell what is my IP? |
| 23:27.57 | vulture | NP_complete: figure it out yourself, it's not hard "/whois NP_complete" |
| 23:28.45 | NP_complete | ok |
| 23:29.11 | NP_complete | can you ping me 80.26.29.244 on port 21?= |
| 23:30.40 | paulswm | !test |
| 23:30.40 | dpkg | Yes, paulswm, you're still online. |
| 23:30.44 | vulture | why? (and I assume by "ping" you mean "try to connect to" and by "port 21" you mean "TCP port 21") |
| 23:31.10 | NP_complete | yeah |
| 23:31.17 | NP_complete | i'm setting up proftpd |
| 23:31.25 | NP_complete | I made the NAT |
| 23:31.35 | cafuego | it's being filtered |
| 23:32.01 | NP_complete | you mean you can't see tat? |
| 23:32.06 | NP_complete | that port? |
| 23:32.14 | NP_complete | try nmap, hehehe |
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| 23:33.09 | NP_complete | ok, i can connect it inside my LAN |
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| 23:33.13 | drynish | Hi! :) |
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| 23:33.25 | NP_complete | i made the NAT, so what's the problem? |
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| 23:33.35 | drynish | In which package, can I find the man page for c function like fprintf? |
| 23:33.52 | ienp | HOLA ALGUNO HABLA ESPAÑOL??? |
| 23:33.56 | NP_complete | si yo |
| 23:34.03 | NP_complete | #debian-es |
| 23:34.19 | NP_complete | there is all hispano-debianites |
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| 23:35.12 | ienp | gracias |
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| 23:35.46 | Max_Steel | anybody know a american server where the people speak one with others? |
| 23:35.53 | azreal | drynish: manpages-dev |
| 23:36.05 | thenuke | Max_Steel: huh? |
| 23:36.06 | s3itz | hmm, steel...? |
| 23:36.20 | thenuke | Max_Steel: are you talking about IRC only for americans? |
| 23:36.36 | Max_Steel | I want to speak with americans |
| 23:36.43 | thenuke | I wonder why :) |
| 23:36.44 | NP_complete | fuet! |
| 23:36.44 | Max_Steel | new yorkers |
| 23:36.53 | Max_Steel | hehehe |
| 23:36.56 | kenboo | weird |
| 23:37.04 | zoor | try efnet :) |
| 23:37.13 | Max_Steel | ok...thanks man |
| 23:37.19 | zoor | np :) |
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| 23:37.32 | cyklus | how do i turn of ctrl-alt-backspace? |
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| 23:39.54 | stouset | cyklus: unplug the keyboard? =) |
| 23:39.56 | jnk | cyklus, there is an option DontZap for the x configuration file |
| 23:39.57 | jnk | see the man page |
| 23:40.21 | hogballs_ | any good ati troubleshooters out there? |
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| 23:40.44 | sword- | hey hows it going |
| 23:40.52 | sword- | has anyone ever partitioned raid0? |
| 23:40.52 | NP_complete | i have a problem. maybe ISP proxy? |
| 23:40.59 | sword- | when installing debian |
| 23:41.21 | bob2 | sword-: you mean software raid-0? |
| 23:41.26 | sword- | yea |
| 23:41.27 | bob2 | that's an important difference |
| 23:41.32 | sword- | im having a problem partitioning |
| 23:41.39 | sword- | i think i'm going to create separate partitions |
| 23:41.41 | NP_complete | i have made the NAT, and mt proftpd works fine on my LAN, why doen't works outside? ISP proxy maybe? |
| 23:41.45 | sword- | and create raid devices with them |
| 23:41.52 | jagerman | You generally shouldn't partition raid0, you should create underlying partitions, then raid0 those partitions |
| 23:42.00 | sword- | gotcha |
| 23:42.04 | sword- | thats what Im about to do jachebug |
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| 23:43.52 | sword- | what about for / ? |
| 23:44.36 | jagerman | Ah, for / it becomes much more interesting |
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| 23:45.03 | jagerman | Generally your best bet is to use an initrd, in that case |
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| 23:46.04 | cyklus | stouset::o) |
| 23:46.15 | sword- | what do you mean |
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| 23:49.06 | seed- | heeeeeeeee heeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:49.19 | jagerman | sword-: Why do you want raid0 anyway? |
| 23:49.50 | sword- | this system is non-misson critical |
| 23:49.51 | FieldySnuts | raid0 for / is a horrible idea. |
| 23:49.57 | sword- | okay |
| 23:50.11 | sword- | im just trying to think of a way I can set this up |
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| 23:51.55 | jagerman | Set it up without raid :) |
| 23:52.52 | sword- | i wanted to take advantage of my harware raid |
| 23:52.58 | sword- | but i can only do 0 or 1 |
| 23:53.13 | jagerman | What hardware raid? |
| 23:53.16 | sword- | im on a university campus so i have enough space to move stuff, back it up, etc |
| 23:53.19 | sword- | sil_sata |
| 23:53.21 | sword- | err |
| 23:53.23 | sword- | silicon image |
| 23:53.28 | jagerman | A 3112? |
| 23:53.31 | sword- | yeah |
| 23:53.40 | jagerman | It is *not* hardware raid |
| 23:53.49 | sword- | it's through the bios |
| 23:53.54 | sword- | yeah i see what you mean |
| 23:53.57 | simmerz | does mmencode not come without emacs? |
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| 23:54.16 | sword- | what do you think would be a better setup jagerman? |
| 23:54.33 | cafuego | sword-: kernel software raid 1 |
| 23:54.38 | jagerman | sword-: What do you have for hard drives? |
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| 23:54.47 | sword- | 2 80 GB maxtors |
| 23:54.47 | sword- | sata |
| 23:54.59 | cafuego | sword-: The debian-installer setup supports raid that way, just use that. |
| 23:55.04 | cafuego | sword-: it works great. |
| 23:55.06 | FieldySnuts | i'd agree |
| 23:55.06 | reNegad3 | anyone here good with sensors?? im trying to setup a karamba theme to use the sensors.... |
| 23:55.22 | NP_complete | can anybody nmap me, please? |
| 23:55.25 | sword- | will i have to create a separate /boot directory? |
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| 23:55.28 | NP_complete | 80.26.29.244 |
| 23:55.31 | sword- | for lilo/grub to work? |
| 23:55.37 | cafuego | sword-: Nope. |
| 23:55.43 | jagerman | sword-: If you want to use raid0, yes, if raid1, no |
| 23:55.44 | sword- | what about / ? |
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| 23:56.03 | sword- | okay |
| 23:56.04 | cafuego | sword-: I ahve /boot on /dev/md0 and it works fine. |
| 23:56.06 | jagerman | But you really aren't going to get a performance benefit from raid0 |
| 23:56.08 | sword- | I undererstand |
| 23:56.16 | sword- | i will have 1/2 the space |
| 23:56.19 | cafuego | sword-: All you nee dis extra params for lilo.conf, so it knows you're using raid |
| 23:56.25 | cafuego | sword-: And twice the security :-) |
| 23:56.25 | jagerman | If you can afford the space, raid1 delivers nice peace of mind :) |
| 23:56.38 | sword- | im not worried about security of my data per-sae |
| 23:56.42 | sword- | i dont have anything critica;l |
| 23:56.43 | sword- | err |
| 23:56.46 | sword- | im just a studnt |
| 23:56.49 | sword- | student |
| 23:56.51 | ugexe | i am doing grub-install but it says i must specify a root-directory. since i am doing this from a repair, do i do grub-install /dev/hda |
| 23:56.52 | cafuego | sword-: Then why bother with raid at all? |
| 23:56.56 | FieldySnuts | then my mess with it |
| 23:57.04 | sword- | cafuego just something to try out |
| 23:57.08 | sword- | since my board has it |
| 23:57.14 | NP_complete | can anybody nmap me, please? 80.26.29.244 |
| 23:57.20 | FieldySnuts | that's fine, stay away from raid0 though, unless you have a frequent and full backup of everything on it |
| 23:57.21 | NP_complete | tellme if 21 is up |
| 23:57.22 | FieldySnuts | NP_complete: no, go away |
| 23:57.29 | cafuego | sword-: Your board (like mine) has something BAD. WinRAID. |
| 23:57.44 | sword- | i work in our aerospace engineering department - If i need space to use to put stuff on I can use one of the linux servers there |
| 23:57.46 | sword- | hahah cafuego |
| 23:57.48 | sword- | i know |
| 23:58.09 | jannol | is nvu good and does it build on debian since it is based on debian ? |
| 23:58.21 | jagerman | Even hardware based RAID0 isn't any faster than a single drive under typical workloads |
| 23:58.31 | cafuego | sword-: raid0 should give you speed improvement, but if one disk goes, so does ALL data. |
| 23:58.39 | paulswm | cafuego: I give up.. Fixed IPs for everyone it is. Only 5 machines here at home and I have to admit that the DHCP exercise is just for the sake of doing it. Just unnecessarily introducing a single point of failure really. |
| 23:58.41 | sword- | I know cafuego |
| 23:58.45 | karim | what is dodgeball ? |
| 23:58.50 | sword- | im not really worried about that, i back up my data |
| 23:58.51 | paulswm | !win cafuego |
| 23:58.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
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| 23:59.09 | FieldySnuts | @lart raid0 |
| 23:59.23 | cafuego | paulswm: Well, it's handy if you have a lot of visiting machines that require repair :-) |
