| 00:00.58 | reNegad3 | NP_complete, ive nmapped youm were do you want the results?? |
| 00:01.09 | karim | what means dodgeball ? |
| 00:01.11 | paulswm | cafuego: Well if ever I need to set one up, I've learned a lot about it. And found out that dmsmasq is a really cool tool :) |
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| 00:01.20 | paulswm | s/dms/dns/ |
| 00:01.43 | prock | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.21 | NP_complete | What does filtered port mean? |
| 00:04.05 | cafuego | paulswm: Bah. dhcpd, bind9 and nsupdate all the way! |
| 00:04.59 | cafuego | paulswm: i have dhcp boxen from various ISPs all over the country doing secure updates to the main name server :-) |
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| 00:06.03 | paulswm | cafuego: Ah. Well you are in a whole different netwroking ball game than me with my humble home network :) |
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| 00:07.52 | MrP | Hello |
| 00:07.52 | modeman | is gnapster up and running? |
| 00:08.05 | modeman | like, is it really connecting to napster ? |
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| 00:08.32 | MrP | Is there anyway to have debian automatically reconfigure the monitor and video card? I tried doing xf86config and I can't get to a GUI. |
| 00:08.45 | cafuego | paulswm: Well, it's only a bunch of simple home networks that can all talk to eachother |
| 00:08.46 | modeman | what kind of video card? |
| 00:08.46 | Drizzt321 | if I'm getting dma errors as DriveReady SeekComplete Error and DriveStatusError BadCRC problems, yet the harddisk analysis tool says its just fine. when I turn off DMA, the errors naturally go away. is my drive failing? or is my motherboard going? |
| 00:08.50 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 00:08.50 | dpkg | somebody said xcfg was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:09.13 | cafuego | Drizzt321: try a different IDE cable |
| 00:09.20 | modeman | MrP: what video card is it? |
| 00:09.22 | Drizzt321 | cafuego: ahh, ok. thanks |
| 00:09.52 | MrP | modeman: An OLD OLD school one. PCI based. Some off brand. I had to take my newer card out for this PC |
| 00:10.23 | modeman | MrP: it really helps to know what it is, take it out and google the serial numbers |
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| 00:10.33 | cafuego | MrP: it would really help if you actually knew what it was. |
| 00:10.42 | cafuego | MrP: 'lspci' should tell you. |
| 00:10.56 | cafuego | Unless you're running a486 |
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| 00:12.32 | MrP | ok |
| 00:12.35 | MrP | give me a second |
| 00:13.15 | cafuego | If it says 'S3' you're allowed to cry. |
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| 00:13.49 | NP_complete | My 21 port is filtered, so you can't join my host, how to solve that? |
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| 00:14.49 | MrP | cafuego: Why? S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio 32/64/64v+] Rev 54 |
| 00:14.52 | paulswm | NP_complete: A filtered port is for example a port which doesn't respond, so you can't tell if it is open or closed, it's blocked by a firewall prolly |
| 00:15.21 | modeman | anyone know where to adjust idebus=xx ? |
| 00:15.37 | modeman | i see it in my startup and it says assuming 33mhz |
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| 00:16.26 | modeman | tells me that i can manually change it, but never states the location? |
| 00:16.55 | local | How can i setup the fonts and the cursor on my X server ? i want to use artwiz fonts , how can i setup them ? (after doing apt-get install ) |
| 00:17.06 | FieldySnuts | modeman: that would go in your bootloader config, passed to the kernel (same place you have root=blah) |
| 00:17.26 | modeman | lilo.conf ? |
| 00:17.36 | FieldySnuts | yep, just remember to re-run lilo afterwards |
| 00:17.43 | paulswm | modeman: ide driver always says that, you almost certainly don't need to change it |
| 00:18.06 | NP_complete | paulswm I can connect to my server on my LAN, but not from outside, that's cause it's filtered? |
| 00:18.33 | paulswm | NP_complete: sounds like it, you may need to forward the port form your firewall |
| 00:19.30 | modeman | paulswm: assuming i don't need to chabge it, is there a command that will produce all of the settings like that? |
| 00:19.41 | modeman | paulswm: or change* it |
| 00:19.53 | NP_complete | paulswm, how to do that? |
| 00:19.58 | MrP | modeman: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio 32/64/64v+] Rev 54 <- my video card |
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| 00:20.13 | paulswm | modeman: 'hdparm -I /dev/hda' for example, run as root |
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| 00:20.29 | modeman | paulswm: k, trying that now |
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| 00:20.37 | paulswm | man hdparm for changing drive settings but be careful some of them can mess up your drive |
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| 00:20.58 | tek- | by chance is there a windows terminal server client for *nix ? |
| 00:21.06 | paulswm | NP_complete: that depends on your firewall |
| 00:21.19 | modeman | paulswm: hdparm isn't a valid command, apt-get? |
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| 00:21.31 | paulswm | modeman: yes |
| 00:21.35 | NP_complete | paulswm, how to know what firewall do i have? :( |
| 00:21.35 | modeman | ty |
| 00:21.45 | paulswm | NP_complete: I don't know |
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| 00:21.54 | jnk | modeman, you tried as root? |
| 00:22.03 | chealer | tek-: is there one for binboze? |
| 00:22.22 | tek- | chealer ? |
| 00:22.48 | GlitchMaster | Hey... would somebody be willing to help a buddy of mine via AIM? He's having some difficulties setting up X. He's quite skilled in OS usage, but he's hit a snag with X and needs assistance from an expert. |
| 00:23.04 | paulswm | tek-: apt-cache search rdesktop |
| 00:23.16 | paulswm | !rdesktop |
| 00:23.17 | dpkg | rdesktop is, like, http://www.rdesktop.org/ |
| 00:23.20 | chealer | tek-: I didn't even know there was one for windows, so I can't imagine there'd be one for *nix |
| 00:23.20 | NP_complete | How to know what's my firewall? |
| 00:23.25 | jnk | hellfire I just got a POPUP in firefox |
| 00:23.39 | hellfire | huh? |
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| 00:23.42 | tek- | chealer sure there is, built into 2k and xp |
| 00:23.42 | GlitchMaster | I speak of a person who is capable of hacking his Tivo with some obscure Linux designed for it... |
| 00:23.56 | tek- | paulswm thx |
| 00:24.03 | paulswm | In XP it's called "Remote Desktop Connection" |
| 00:24.06 | FieldySnuts | he should be capable of getting on irc, then, and coming here |
| 00:24.06 | peetah | when using sudo how can i disable password notification for a user? |
| 00:24.13 | jnk | hellfire, loool I meant it just as a ... how do you say... substantive for swearing (no offense intended) |
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| 00:24.44 | paulswm | tek-: yw |
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| 00:24.52 | hellfire | jnk, you mean youre swearing at your browser? |
| 00:25.14 | jnk | hellfire, no I mean I'm searing in #debian |
| 00:25.15 | FieldySnuts | in Soviet Russia, browser swears at YOU |
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| 00:25.29 | jnk | swearing |
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| 00:25.44 | hellfire | jnk, ok. |
| 00:26.10 | chealer | tek-: oh, a "terminal server" like one that can only have one client at a time |
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| 00:27.03 | tek- | chealer well theres 2 types, common in home is just like a vnc connection, but you can do multi users at once |
| 00:27.07 | modeman | paulswm: ok, i don't see where it mentions the bus in hdparm ? |
| 00:27.19 | modeman | but that is a great little app. |
| 00:27.28 | chealer | tek-: how? |
| 00:27.34 | jnk | hellfire, the thing is I don't know how to swear politely in English so I just took what looked like it from a book (Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever, for the record) |
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| 00:27.39 | jasz | hello |
| 00:28.02 | jasz | how do i figure out on which package does the the file "mod_webkit.so" come in? |
| 00:28.05 | tek- | chealer look in add/remove programs -> add windows components, there will be 2 terminal server items there |
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| 00:29.15 | chealer | tek-: ok I'll try that |
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| 00:29.55 | modeman | tek-: win support ? |
| 00:30.08 | tek- | modeman ? |
| 00:30.10 | hellfire | jnk, what was the cause for your need to swear? |
| 00:30.15 | modeman | tek-: save that for the people who pay =D |
| 00:30.20 | modeman | tek-: j/k |
| 00:30.27 | jasz | how do i figure out on which package does the the file "mod_webkit.so" come in? |
| 00:31.08 | jnk | hellfire, because I *did* get a popup in firefox! |
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| 00:31.22 | jnk | which is supposed to block all popups... |
| 00:31.40 | jnk | jasz, dpkg -S mod_webkit.so |
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| 00:31.52 | jasz | jnk.. thank you |
| 00:32.05 | hellfire | jnk, ah ok. now some lights are flashing. |
| 00:32.11 | jnk | lol |
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| 00:34.13 | paulswm | modeman: It will show what DMA or PIO mode it's using, that also is the bus speed |
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| 00:35.46 | michal_ | hi. anyone here run xen 2.0 ? |
| 00:36.22 | JediMaster | what gcc version should I use to compile the latest 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:36.39 | cat | the latest version of gcc |
| 00:36.45 | JediMaster | 3.4? |
| 00:36.54 | cat | yeah |
| 00:36.55 | michal_ | i'm having trouble figuring out if (and possibly why not) my kernel supports xen |
| 00:37.08 | TCW | What is "xen"? |
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| 00:37.13 | JediMaster | so, the whole, don't use anything but 2.95 or whaterver it was, doesn't matter with 2.6 now? |
| 00:37.17 | JediMaster | if that made much sense |
| 00:37.21 | jagerman | No |
| 00:37.27 | modeman | paulswm: cycletime? |
| 00:37.27 | rei_0000 | hi * |
| 00:37.31 | michal_ | if you don't know then you can't help. thanks for asking though |
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| 00:38.04 | rei_0000 | does anyone know the people I need to talk to about user cases with apt? |
| 00:38.16 | simmerz | im wondering if anyone knows why using the ehlo command with an smtp telnet session on my postfix mail server, I can send mail to a user not on my machine. using helo, it requires AUTH, but ehlo doesn't |
| 00:38.52 | jeffathehutt | has anyone here gotten debian to work with the newer socket 755 motherboards? |
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| 00:39.34 | doub | michal_: you need a special kernel with support for the xen arch, like those in the xen distrib, AFAIK |
| 00:39.55 | doub | michal_: you can't use vanilla ones. but you may try to apply patches from the xen distrib |
| 00:40.24 | JediMaster | hmm how come when I try to 'make oldconfig' I get complaints about sys/types.h ... stat.h... mman.h etc not existing? |
| 00:40.29 | michal_ | doub: afaik i am using a xen kernel. even though /proc/xen entries seem to be misssing |
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| 00:41.46 | doub | michal_: i've only spent little time trying xen, never heard of /proc/xen |
| 00:41.51 | modeman | getting tired, night all |
| 00:41.54 | modeman | peace |
| 00:42.13 | doub | michal_: but can you use xen commands, xm start and the like? |
| 00:42.20 | chealer | tek-: I didn't find them. I have win XP pro, do you know the exact names? |
| 00:42.23 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.44 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.44 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.50 | michal_ | doh |
| 00:42.58 | michal_ | crappy line editing |
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| 00:43.42 | michal_ | I get Error: Error connecting to xend, is xend running? |
| 00:43.56 | michal_ | and no.. it's not running because it fails that test |
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| 00:45.26 | doub | michal_: xen dom0 kernels have a... dom0 appended to the uname -r iirc |
| 00:45.36 | doub | michal_: see if it tells you more |
| 00:45.51 | doub | michal_: but how did you boot anyway? |
| 00:45.55 | tomb0y | anyone have any idea how i could get ncftpls to connect to a ssl enabled site and list the contents of the path? since ncftp doesnt support ssl yet. |
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| 00:46.16 | michal_ | doub: me kernel is from kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686_2.6.10-4+xen.1_i386.deb .. it's a debian kernel with the xen patches applied |
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| 00:47.15 | photoguy41 | ok, ive got a question, if i have 2 hard drives, one has xp, the other linux, would i just edit the grubcfg file on the linux hard drive and it would work for dual booting? |
| 00:47.17 | doub | michal_: xen 1? |
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| 00:47.29 | doub | michal_: version 2.0 is out (even if not debian packaged) |
| 00:47.33 | michal_ | doub: first xen 2.0 patch |
| 00:47.45 | michal_ | doub: no this is definetly specifically for xen 2.0 |
| 00:48.05 | doub | michal_: is it a dom0 or unpriviledged ? |
| 00:48.08 | michal_ | doub: and it is packaged just waiting in the experimental queue for a few weeks |
| 00:48.49 | tek- | chealer I'm pretty sure thats what it is |
| 00:49.32 | michal_ | doub: let me attempt to figure that out :/ |
| 00:49.48 | doub | michal_: that's great news. how do you access the experimental queue ? adding a deb http://... experimental ... to src.list ? |
| 00:49.53 | tek- | chealer hmm, maybe xp doesnt have multi user support, in that case check system properties -> remote, for remote desktop connections |
| 00:50.07 | michal_ | doub: sec.. i'll point you at the packages |
| 00:50.09 | asg | !experimental |
| 00:50.09 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
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| 00:51.08 | dedalus | hi |
| 00:51.17 | dedalus | i got a problem of kernel panic |
| 00:51.23 | doub | asg: i like to live dangerously |
| 00:51.26 | chealer | tek-: yeah but that's no good. in what version is there support for multiple accounts uses at the same time? |
| 00:51.45 | asg | doub: then feel free to do so, you have been warned. |
| 00:51.49 | tek- | chealer 2k server / 2003 server |
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| 00:52.00 | michal_ | god dammit. the internet sucks. if you don't bookmark something you have little chance of finding it again :/ |
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| 00:52.08 | dedalus | seems to be a fs prob |
| 00:52.16 | dEa | hi all |
| 00:52.33 | chealer | tek-: ok thanks |
| 00:52.53 | dEa | what is easyst way to isntall gnome desktop in debian and what ftp-server you prefer to install |
| 00:53.00 | michal_ | doub: here are tha xen packages http://people.debian.org/~doogie/packages/ |
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| 00:53.10 | Maliuta | anyone have experience with LVM not being able to find a uuid? |
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| 00:53.21 | dedalus | doub: on c parlé sur debian-fr ?? |
| 00:53.29 | dEa | !ftp |
| 00:53.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 00:53.50 | dEa | !gnome |
| 00:53.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
| 00:54.03 | asg | dEa: /msg dpkg d-i (apt-get install gnome (after you install it)) ; /msg dpkg mirror |
| 00:54.29 | dEa | asg: do i have to install x-free first |
| 00:54.41 | tek- | chealer if I'm not mistaken, you might be able to find the terminal server on a win2003 cd, I know for sure the client is there for legacy systems |
| 00:54.43 | michal_ | doub: and deb http://einstein.speech-design.de/~br/kernel-image-xen ./ for the kernel I am using |
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| 00:54.54 | dEa | i just installed clean deabian =) and made it stable |
| 00:55.04 | asg | dEa: no, you shouldn't have to. If it makes you feel better, 'apt-get install gnome x-window-system' |
| 00:55.17 | js_ | did anybody here every try tr-ircd? i'm having troubles linking two services together (i feel kind of stupid to ask in here, but i don't know where to go anymore) |
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| 00:55.40 | chealer | tek-: I'm only interested in having XP as server |
| 00:55.59 | FaithX | hey guys, what to do when an NFS mount locks up? |
| 00:56.00 | dEa | E: Couldent find package gnome |
| 00:56.04 | tek- | chealer, thats kinda the catch-22, heh |
| 00:56.05 | michal_ | doub: if you could explain to me why the kernel doesn't SEEM to be xen I'd really love to know.. |
| 00:56.07 | asg | chealer: then you are in the wrong channel |
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| 00:56.36 | chealer | tek-: the catch-22? I don't know what that means? |
| 00:56.39 | asg | dEa: running woody? |
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| 00:57.25 | roo9 | what happened to CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ATARAID_HPT in kernel 2.6? |
| 00:57.31 | dEa | asg yeah |
| 00:57.36 | tek- | chealer hmm not sure if I can explain it then, heh |
| 00:57.49 | michal_ | doub: are 2 different kernels required? one for inside xen and one for outside? |
| 00:57.50 | dEa | it say E: Couldent find package gnome |
| 00:58.14 | asg | dEa: you are aware that woody's gnome is 1.4? |
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| 00:58.22 | jnk | lol |
| 00:58.29 | asg | dEa: if so, apt-get install gnome-session |
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| 00:58.54 | dEa | asg-thanx |
| 00:58.56 | doub | michal_: you need a kernel for outside xen, one for dom0, and one for unpriv |
| 00:59.00 | dEa | not its downloading files |
| 00:59.02 | dEa | =) |
| 00:59.09 | doub | michal_: the outside one is not required if you only use xen |
| 00:59.15 | michal_ | i think debian should split up the server and desktop oriented packages.. it makes no sense to support ancient desktops in a current release :/ |
| 00:59.34 | michal_ | doub: sadly none of that is mentioned with those kernels as far as I can tell |
| 00:59.35 | doub | michal_: unpriv either if you don't use linux for other virtual OSs |
| 00:59.51 | jnk | michal_, what do you mean ? gnome 1 is not in sarge |
| 01:00.22 | jair_11 | jetscreamer: it is a way that I can install sarge using a floppy disk to boot the system? it is very old and it have small HD, memory 24MBram 75MHZ processor I will use it only for email and internet |
| 01:00.29 | jair_11 | print out |
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| 01:00.36 | doub | michal_: refer to the xen doc (search "xen virtual" on google) |
| 01:00.37 | asg | jair_11: /msg dpkg ig |
| 01:00.43 | jair_11 | maybe some word processor |
| 01:00.48 | doub | michal_: dom0 is the kernel which has access to hardware |
| 01:00.59 | zenlunatic | Is making your own debian packages and installing them advisable or does it break your system? |
| 01:00.59 | doub | michal_: unpriv is for those which don't |
| 01:01.05 | michal_ | doub: the guy providing the kernel images said "I've downloaded the 2.0.4-3 packages from people.d.o and created kernel-image-2.6.10 packages with Xen applied." |
| 01:01.16 | dEa | asg: not its installed.. how i can start it.. ./gnome ? |
| 01:01.21 | chealer | michal_: you want http://www.furl.net |
| 01:01.22 | asg | zenlunatic: they are fine if created correctly (/msg dpkg mg) |
| 01:01.29 | jair_11 | asg: what do you mean? |
| 01:01.34 | doub | michal_: he must know better than I |
| 01:01.41 | michal_ | doub: makes sense.. but i figured a kernel could be both.. if it's virtual it can't have access to the hardware even if it wanted it |
| 01:01.43 | rajasun | dEa: apt-cache show gnome or apt-cache search gnome see what it returns. Should give you for the latter this > gnome - The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components then apt-get install gnome gives you a basic GNOME DE install |
| 01:01.52 | doub | michal_: but to me there were 2 different kernels for xen |
| 01:02.08 | asg | jair_11: type /msg dpkg ig in your irc client (and read the resultant install guide; it will tell you how to install with only floppies.) |
| 01:02.40 | zenlunatic | why isn't there a links ssl package? |
| 01:02.42 | michal_ | chealer: thanks. looks like it could be just what I want. |
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| 01:02.50 | asg | zenlunatic: which debian version? |
| 01:02.56 | rdr | what is the difference in XF86Config and XF86Config-4? |
| 01:03.00 | zenlunatic | asg 3 |
| 01:03.07 | simonrvn | 2 characters |
| 01:03.08 | asg | zenlunatic: 3.0 or 3.1 |
| 01:03.28 | zenlunatic | asg 3.0 updated and updrade though |
| 01:03.34 | asg | zenlunatic: to what??? |
| 01:03.42 | asg | !ep asg |
| 01:03.42 | michal_ | doub: maybe I just need to pass paramaters to the kernel on boot? |
| 01:03.43 | dpkg | asg: Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:03.46 | rajasun | zenlunatic: cat /debian_version or cat /etc/issue what do either show? |
| 01:04.02 | zenlunatic | asg 3.0 |
| 01:04.10 | asg | zenlunatic: you upgrade 3.0 to 3.0? |
| 01:04.20 | michal_ | i'm a bit confused by the documentation though |
| 01:04.23 | zenlunatic | asg i guess |
| 01:04.24 | asg | !info links-ssl woody |
| 01:04.25 | dpkg | links-ssl: (Character mode WWW browser with SSL), section non-US, is extra. Version: 0.96.20020409-2 (woody), Packaged size: 373 kB, Installed size: 939 kB |
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| 01:04.28 | asg | zenlunatic: ^^^ |
| 01:04.29 | michal_ | does grub treat module and initrd as the same thing? |
| 01:04.35 | chealer | michal_: I only saw that yesterday and didn't try though, might still be exclusively IE or some shit |
| 01:04.37 | asg | zenlunatic: don't guess, know |
| 01:04.53 | dEa | rajasun: when in type apt-cache show gnome. it say W: Unable to locate package |
| 01:05.01 | rajasun | zenlunatic: cat /etc/debian_version or cat /etc/issue sorry |
| 01:05.03 | doub | michal_: honestly, i don't know |
| 01:05.16 | michal_ | chealer: looks like firefox in the screenshot |
| 01:05.23 | rdr | what is the difference in XF86Config and XF86Config-4? |
| 01:05.36 | asg | dEa: there is no 'gnome' package in woody, that's why I had you install 'gnome-session' which pulls in most of what is considered gnome. |
| 01:05.53 | chealer | michal_: looks like MSIE for me |
| 01:05.58 | asg | rdr: the former is traditionally for v3 X, the latter specifically for v4 X. |
| 01:06.06 | michal_ | doub: apparently youd should pass an option like dom0_mem=131072 to the kernel.. so perhaps if you don't there's no xen as it has no memory allocated to it |
| 01:06.11 | dEa | asg: i made that.. and gnome-session is installed.. |
| 01:06.12 | rdr | ah |
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| 01:06.17 | dEa | how i can now start it |
| 01:06.29 | chealer | rdr: in other words, for backwards compatibility |
| 01:06.39 | rdr | well |
| 01:06.47 | rdr | i have a i865 video card |
| 01:06.47 | asg | dEa: install 'gdm' and type '/etc/init.d/gdm start' |
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| 01:06.56 | rdr | and i can only get 640x480 |
| 01:06.56 | michal_ | chealer: urgh.. you're right.. i could have sworn ii saw firefox when I looked before.. so much for seeing is believing |
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| 01:07.19 | rdr | and when i try to change my resolution in X it only has one option |
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| 01:07.23 | rdr | 640x480 |
| 01:08.09 | doub | michal_: you need to load the xenokernel, which in turn will load xen-dom0 |
| 01:08.24 | doub | michal_: from which you will later be able to lanch unprivs |
| 01:08.51 | dEa | asg: thanx... but its not configured correnctly it says =) |
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| 01:09.08 | asg | dEa: it says? define 'it' |
| 01:09.35 | michal_ | doub: now you've got me really confused. I'm looking at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/readmes/user/user.html and I see none of this |
| 01:09.40 | doub | michal_: on thing for shure, it's not linux you're loading, it's the xenokernel, which takes care of loading linux (called "xenolinux" iirc in the doc) |
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| 01:09.49 | dEa | asg: i try to restart system.. if it start |
| 01:10.00 | hackeron | doub: s/shure/sure |
| 01:10.01 | michal_ | doub: i was under the impression thhat the xen kernel patch enabled the xen functions in the kernel |
| 01:10.11 | doub | hackeron: thanks |
| 01:10.44 | jair_11 | asg: thank you very much |
| 01:10.48 | hackeron | doub: nothing personal, its just I'm highlighting the word shure to see if anyone also loves their products :) -- I own the Shure E5 canalphones |
| 01:10.51 | asg | jair_11: you're welcome |
| 01:11.06 | doub | michal_: that's it, but you need the xenokernel first, which will load a special "xenolinux" linux kernel |
| 01:11.24 | jair_11 | asg: I will have to be on the internet right because the rest on the installation will be from the http or ftp? |
| 01:11.28 | doub | michal_: im not shure about terminology |
| 01:11.42 | jair_11 | asg: and also I have the netinst cd from the sarge |
| 01:11.49 | michal_ | doub: and which debian package is that in given that the debian packages are supposed to provide all necessary files? :/ |
| 01:11.54 | jair_11 | asg: but the machine do not boot from the cd |
| 01:12.00 | jair_11 | it is not in the bios |
| 01:12.09 | jair_11 | too old i guess |
| 01:12.20 | asg | jair_11: if you boot via floppies, you will need to install the rest via the net. |
| 01:12.43 | doub | michal_: the special linux kernel is xenlinux |
| 01:13.04 | doub | michal_: and there's the xen kernel (only named "xen") |
| 01:13.22 | jair_11 | asg: if I want to do a very minimal installation i will need to choose something special? any cheatcode? |
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| 01:13.33 | michal_ | doub: all this seems totally undocumented as far as i can tell :/ |
| 01:13.40 | doub | michal_: as to know which debian packages provide what, i tested it from source |
| 01:13.47 | michal_ | doub: there's the xen program and there's a xen patched kernel |
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| 01:14.03 | winmutt | what is ocwhttpd? |
| 01:14.10 | asg | jair_11: no, a minimal install is default. |
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| 01:14.17 | doub | michal_: the xen userland programs, the xen kernel, and xenlinux kernels |
| 01:14.30 | jair_11 | asg: ohh ok |
| 01:14.50 | asg | winmutt: some form of web server. |
| 01:14.58 | winmutt | asg i know |
| 01:14.59 | winmutt | :) |
| 01:15.04 | jair_11 | asg: but you know what, I have the 7cds of woody |
| 01:15.05 | asg | winmutt: then why are you asking? |
| 01:15.11 | asg | jair_11: eeek |
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| 01:15.15 | michal_ | doub: have you been able to figure out what the xen patched linux kernel actually does? am i supposed to boot into it or boot it inside a xen vm? |
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| 01:15.27 | winmutt | well i dunno what its doing... apache variant of some type |
| 01:15.28 | doub | michal_: but there's very little doc, that's for sure |
| 01:15.31 | jair_11 | and i know it is a way to create the floppies from those cds I think is cd 1 |
| 01:15.35 | jair_11 | or two |
| 01:15.42 | michal_ | doub: i'm going to try rebooting with the extra dom0_mem option |
| 01:15.52 | asg | !info ocwhttpd woody |
| 01:15.54 | asg | !info ocwhttpd sid |
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| 01:16.01 | doub | michal_: i'll try the packages |
| 01:16.20 | asg | winmutt: whatever it is, it isn't a debian package. Where did you get it? |
| 01:16.22 | winmutt | oh i doubt its a deb thing was just wiondering if anyone knw |
| 01:16.24 | winmutt | tnx |
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| 01:17.18 | MrP | Is it possible to get a GUI working on a S3 video card? |
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| 01:17.21 | hogballs | Hi! I Have a nice ATI Radeon 9600Pro XT made by VisionTek. The only problem is in glxgears I get around 500fps. My Motherboard is NForce2 Ultra. hmm |
| 01:17.49 | asg | hogballs: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | are you even going to play games in linux? |
| 01:18.18 | hogballs | Screensavers and alittle Game or two. yes |
| 01:18.21 | asg | abrotman: nethack doesn't require such things, ssssh. |
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| 01:18.39 | asg | screensavers are sooooooooooo 1979 |
| 01:18.49 | cafuego | hogballs: Why is 500fps a problem? Does glxgears need to run faster? Why? |
| 01:19.02 | cafuego | asg: Hey, my cats LOVE 'atlantis'. |
| 01:19.09 | michal_ | doub: bah.. gave me an error saying selected item could not fit into memory |
| 01:19.22 | shingouz | MrP: of course it is |
| 01:19.28 | asg | cafuego: cats live 'out of time' so this isn't surpriseing |
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| 01:19.40 | abrotman | cafuego: my laptop gets better |
| 01:19.41 | cafuego | 25856 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5171.200 FPS |
| 01:19.42 | asg | s/se/s/ |
| 01:19.51 | hogballs | my video card should be doing alot better than that. |
| 01:19.59 | hogballs | ok and here is mine |
| 01:20.04 | doub | michal_: try from source |
| 01:20.06 | michal_ | doub: this is grub giving me the error during boot |
| 01:20.12 | cafuego | hogballs: I've found it mainly to be a function of cpu speed, not video card. |
| 01:20.21 | abrotman | cafuego: my laptop gets like 1000 .. and it's an intel :) |
| 01:20.35 | doub | michal_: i don't know what the deb kernel image you've given me does |
| 01:20.38 | hogballs | 29766 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5953.200 FPS |
| 01:20.46 | hogballs | i cant believe what i had just witnessed |
| 01:20.56 | asg | cafuego: he pwned you |
| 01:20.56 | hogballs | no way it works |
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| 01:21.11 | albo | what command line program can i use to format a disk to reiser |
| 01:21.16 | cafuego | asg: H'e sprobably got a faster CPU then, eh? |
| 01:21.18 | doub | michal_: what's in your grub config? |
| 01:21.18 | abrotman | hogballs: i can do better |
| 01:21.21 | hogballs | i cant believe it |
| 01:21.22 | asg | albo: apropos reiser |
| 01:21.32 | hogballs | no i swear i was all day only getting less than 500 |
| 01:21.43 | hogballs | maybie mylast config worked |
| 01:21.49 | asg | cafuego: who knows, who knows. |
| 01:21.53 | hogballs | crazy |
| 01:21.54 | MrP | shingouz: I was under the impression from another person here earlier that it is either impossible, or hard (said something like "if it is a S3, feel free to cry" or something like that) |
| 01:22.00 | shingouz | hogballs: doesn't it suck when the things just work :) |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | wow .. crap .. i really can't |
| 01:22.08 | cafuego | MrP: yes, I said that. |
| 01:22.26 | cafuego | MrP: That doesn't mean it won't work though. it's just a bit crap. |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:22.31 | hogballs | no it dont suck |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 01:22.37 | shingouz | MrP: if i recall you have to use xfree version 3.x to get all out if them, check the readmes on both versions |
| 01:22.42 | asg | abrotman: same thing, in a pinch |
| 01:22.43 | michal_ | doub: just default stuff apart from the dom0_mem=blah I tried to add as per xen documentation |
| 01:22.55 | hogballs | im freaking out cause it did like it supposed to.. ive never seen anything above 500 since 2 years ago |
| 01:22.57 | cafuego | asg: Actually, I'd like to see his glxgears stats for 64bit ;-) |
| 01:23.02 | doub | michal_: do you have some sort of xen kernel (not xenlinux)? |
| 01:23.07 | asg | cafuego: :) |
| 01:23.50 | michal_ | doub: well the truth is i don't know. |
| 01:24.04 | MrP | shingouz: One more question, when going to a lower version, will that affect any of the shells? |
| 01:24.09 | MrP | (ie: KDE) |
| 01:24.10 | doub | michal_: from the xen doc "kernel /boot/xen.gz dom0_mem=131072" |
| 01:24.12 | shingouz | MrP: no |
| 01:24.24 | doub | michal_: /boot/xen.gz is the xen kernel |
| 01:24.24 | shingouz | MrP: kde is not a shell |
| 01:24.36 | michal_ | doub: no there is no such thing in the debian packages |
| 01:24.38 | MrP | That was the best word I could think of :) |
| 01:24.47 | jair_11 | guys I shuld install the old woody version I have with the 7 cds or I shuld download the new floppies and install it from the net? |
| 01:24.52 | doub | michal_: then there is "module /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-xen0 root=/dev/sda4 ro console=tty0" |
| 01:24.55 | jair_11 | but I have a very old system. |
| 01:25.05 | michal_ | doub: no.. none of that exists in debian |
| 01:25.07 | shingouz | MrP: before you start really hacking on it, check www.fxree86.org for the docs and read them carefully for the exact card you have. some good hints there |
| 01:25.09 | doub | michal_: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-xen0 this one is a dom0 xenlinux kernel |
| 01:25.19 | MrP | shingouz: Thanks! |
| 01:25.21 | jair_11 | P 75MHZ processor, 24MB ram and 4GB HD |
| 01:25.32 | shingouz | jair_11: get the floppies and install from the net |
| 01:25.36 | shingouz | MrP: np |
| 01:25.36 | jair_11 | only boot from floppies in the bios and HD |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | use a CD! |
| 01:25.38 | doub | michal_: install it from source |
| 01:25.49 | shingouz | abrotman: i doubt the old system boots off the cd... |
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| 01:25.59 | jair_11 | shingouz: instead use the 7 cds I have of woody? |
| 01:26.06 | doub | michal_: that's how i did it and it works |
| 01:26.12 | jair_11 | shingouz: but I should use sarge or woody? |
| 01:26.15 | asg | jair_11: that's slightly better than the box that runs my website, dns, mail gateway, and selective file services ... bravo |
| 01:26.21 | albo | how can i turn off the beep in console (eg im out of x) |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | shingouz: yeah right .. everything since 386 sx boots off the CD .. you just need one of those floppy->ide converters :) |
| 01:26.35 | asg | albo: /msg dpkg bell |
| 01:26.40 | shingouz | jair_11: well... you do not have to isntall is off the net if you have a local cdrom there somewhere. the same floppies are still used to boot the system |
| 01:26.44 | cafuego | 24Mb is a bit tiny. COnsider using woody with a 2.2 kernel. |
| 01:26.59 | michal_ | doub: obiously debian does things differently.. but they havn't gotten aroudn ot documenting it. and if the xen kernel patch that comes with the debian packages doesn't make a xen kernel what does it make? |
| 01:27.02 | shingouz | abrotman: pretty hard to do on a laptop though :) |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | shingouz: soldering irons are fun |
| 01:27.58 | jair_11 | shingouz: I have the 7 cds of woody I think is version 3.0 woody |
| 01:28.00 | abrotman | jair_11: what do you want to do with this box? |
| 01:28.02 | shingouz | MrP: obviously it is not the exact link i just mentioned, make it www.xfree86.org |
| 01:28.16 | shingouz | jair_11: just make the floppies and go for it :) |
| 01:28.22 | roo9 | what kernel config option controls the format of /proc/partitons? |
| 01:28.24 | MrP | shingouz: Yup |
| 01:28.30 | jair_11 | abrotman: I think it is better that you gys give me so suggestions of what I can do with that crap? |
| 01:28.37 | asg | roo9: ##kernelnewbies |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | jair_11: web server ? |
| 01:29.05 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 761] by debhelper |
| 01:29.07 | jair_11 | I have only 24MB ram P 75MHz and 4GB hd |
| 01:29.11 | abrotman | so ? |
| 01:29.12 | jair_11 | abrotman: maybe |
| 01:29.13 | shingouz | jair_11: play nethack? surf the web? configure networks? go for wardrives? all kinds of neat things infact |
| 01:29.18 | FieldySnuts | @rube goldberg install |
| 01:29.18 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | that's more than enough .. just don't try zope :) |
| 01:29.36 | hogballs | hahaha raven |
| 01:29.40 | shingouz | and stay off the gnome/kde stuff |
| 01:29.40 | asg | abrotman: since when did you start fooling with zope? |
| 01:29.43 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:29.56 | doub | michal_: the xen kernel has nothing to do with linux (appart from the fact that many things are borrowed from it). it's the core virtualization system. then there's a modified linux kernel, the 'dom0' kernel, which asks the xen kernels ressources and the like. and then there are the unpriviledged (linux, netbsd, whatever) kernels, which are also specifically patched for xen |
| 01:30.08 | jair_11 | abrotman: so I was thinking on install ipcop or smoothwall and test it as a firewall |
| 01:30.15 | shingouz | that too jair |
| 01:30.20 | hogballs | does anyone know if there is a soundblaster audigy room ? |
| 01:30.25 | doub | michal_: appart from that i don't know how the debian packaged one does, what does it look like, or anything |
| 01:30.31 | jair_11 | router but I don't know if I can convert my wireless router on a access point |
| 01:30.32 | hogballs | or something like that |
| 01:30.46 | jair_11 | because is working as a router too currently |
| 01:30.47 | abrotman | asg: zope is crack !! |
| 01:30.55 | doub | michal_: it can be a dom0 or unpriv one, i don't know |
| 01:31.06 | asg | abrotman: as in addictive or broken? |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | linux.creative.com .. or something like that |
| 01:31.09 | doub | michal_: but they are different AFAIK |
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| 01:32.13 | Danar | anyone know how if i can configure zsh to not keep offering to 'correct' commands? |
| 01:32.19 | Danar | *how/if |
| 01:32.25 | asg | Danar: #zsh |
| 01:32.41 | michal_ | doub: it looks as if there have been major changes between xen 1.2 and xen 2.0 .. youre sure the terminology has remained the saem? |
| 01:32.53 | disposable | gnome has gnome-volume-manager for automounting and creating mountpoints in /media. does kde have anything like this? |
| 01:32.56 | doub | michal_: what i'm talking about is xen 2.0 |
| 01:33.04 | asg | disposable: #debian-kde |
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| 01:33.15 | disposable | asg: tnx |
| 01:33.21 | asg | disposable: you're welcome |
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| 01:33.36 | doub | michal_: but i've only quickly tried, so that's only what i remember. i can be wrong on terminology |
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| 01:34.50 | rdr | i'm having trouble getting my i865 intel video card doing anything besides 640x480? I took that option out of my /etc/X11/XF86Config file and it still loads up in 640x480?? |
| 01:34.56 | disposable | gnome has gnome-volume-manager for automounting and creating mountpoints in /media. does kde have anything like this? [people at #debia-kde are either all dead or asleep] |
| 01:34.58 | AwesomeMachine | anyone use the jigdo download system, yet? |
| 01:35.43 | jair_11 | abrotman: creativelinux.com |
| 01:35.51 | jair_11 | this is the page are you talking bout |
| 01:35.52 | jair_11 | ? |
| 01:36.00 | shingouz | AwesomeMachine: yes. man -k jigdo |
| 01:36.08 | doub | michal_: reading the doc carefully : "Note that the only difference between the two types of Linux kernel that are built is the configuration file used for each. The "U" suffixed (unprivileged) versions don't contain any of the physical hardware |
| 01:36.12 | doub | device drivers" |
| 01:36.37 | AwesomeMachine | shingouz: I've used it, I jst wanted to say it's awesome |
| 01:36.40 | michal_ | doub: so much initial hunch was correct? |
| 01:36.49 | shingouz | AwesomeMachine: awesome |
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| 01:37.12 | michal_ | doub: ie you can use the same kernel for both. one is just a subset of the other |
| 01:37.19 | jair_11 | shingouz: have you tryied smoothwall or ipcop? |
| 01:37.22 | doub | michal_: yes, in fact dom0 or unpriv can be the same, so long as dom0 has hardware drivers |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | jair_11: not usre |
| 01:37.37 | michal_ | doub: now I'm going to check that kernel patch.. perhaps the prebuilt ones had misapplied it |
| 01:37.42 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:37.45 | shingouz | jair_11: nope. FloppyFW and Freesco though. both work nicely |
| 01:38.01 | michal_ | doub: or misconfigured.. i'm seen people screw up make-kpkg usage before |
| 01:38.03 | doub | michal_: but you still need then xen kernel |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | jair_11: opensource.creative.com |
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| 01:38.29 | jair_11 | abrotman: ooh ok |
| 01:38.32 | jair_11 | I will check it |
| 01:38.40 | jair_11 | I will check that web site |
| 01:38.45 | michal_ | doub: i'm convinced that that is what the kernel patch creates.. and i am extremely suspicious of the prebuilt xen kernel (deb packaged) as the config file makes no mention of xen.. perhaps they screwed it up |
| 01:38.47 | doub | michal_: and the xen userland tools |
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| 01:39.02 | michal_ | doub: what xen userland tools? it's all in the packages |
| 01:39.04 | jair_11 | abrotman: FloppyFW and Freesco are dtailed there? |
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| 01:39.14 | jair_11 | those are projects or something like that? |
| 01:39.35 | shingouz | jair_11: nope, do a google on them, they are out there. single floppy distros that only do the routing/firewall/nat |
| 01:40.00 | doub | michal_: which packages? |
| 01:40.07 | WiFiTux | How can I make grub less atractive or big? maybe with no colors? just by #color? |
| 01:40.10 | AwesomeMachine | With jigdo, as seen on the debian site, if you want an updated dvd for debian you only have to dl the files that have changed since you first dl'ed it. |
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| 01:40.21 | NP_complete | hi |
| 01:40.32 | nSe | hi |
| 01:40.40 | WiFiTux | hi |
| 01:40.44 | AwesomeMachine | hi |
| 01:40.51 | shingouz | would you stop that? |
| 01:40.57 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 01:40.58 | AwesomeMachine | no |
| 01:41.03 | nSe | hi hi |
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| 01:41.16 | michal_ | doub: xen.. i think it contains the userspace tools |
| 01:41.22 | NP_complete | can anybody try 80.26.29.244 on a browser? |
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| 01:41.29 | AwesomeMachine | ok |
| 01:41.43 | NP_complete | i want to know if serves the web... |
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| 01:42.02 | asg | NP_complete: it doesn't |
| 01:42.09 | NP_complete | :( |
| 01:42.11 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, ni |
| 01:42.12 | WiFiTux | no |
| 01:42.24 | doub | michal_: you mean the one from debian ? in unstable it's 1.2 |
| 01:42.26 | WiFiTux | it's a pr0n site |
| 01:42.37 | NP_complete | I configured my router NAT, my FireHOL... |
| 01:42.57 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, NAT before a public IP doesn't do it |
| 01:43.06 | michal_ | doub: no i mean the one i pointed you at earlier |
| 01:43.06 | NP_complete | that's cause i'm behind a ISP proxy? |
| 01:43.24 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, probably your ISP blocks port 80? |
| 01:43.27 | doub | michal_: i only found kernel-image, kernel-headers there |
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| 01:43.39 | NP_complete | WiFiTux, and port 21? |
| 01:43.51 | michal_ | doub: I pointed you at http://people.debian.org/~doogie/packages/ |
| 01:43.55 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, I got ir refused. no ssh |
| 01:43.57 | NP_complete | WiFiTux, nmap me please 80.26.29.244 |
| 01:43.58 | shingouz | NP_complete: that is not for http |
| 01:44.00 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, but I can ping you |
| 01:44.03 | AwesomeMachine | NP_complete: I can't get to it plain or with http |
| 01:44.04 | jair_11 | shingouz: okohhh |
| 01:44.11 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:44.29 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, you are there but with no 80 |
| 01:44.31 | NP_complete | please nmap me 80.26.29.244 |
| 01:44.36 | jair_11 | abrotman: like the one call minuted or something like that |
| 01:44.47 | NP_complete | WiFiTux, and what's about 21? |
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| 01:44.50 | abrotman | jair_11: huh? |
| 01:44.53 | addNtoXXX | hi folks |
| 01:44.54 | doub | michal_: ok we're getting at it... i missed this one |
| 01:45.13 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, was that telnet? or ssh? I can't |
| 01:45.22 | NP_complete | ftp -> 21 |
| 01:45.23 | jair_11 | abrotman: minuteos is a floppy OS also |
| 01:45.29 | WiFiTux | yeah, either |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | jair_11: why are you telling me ? |
| 01:45.31 | jair_11 | base on unix too |
| 01:45.31 | asg | NP_complete: no ftp for you |
| 01:45.32 | WiFiTux | neither |
| 01:45.36 | michal_ | doub: heh. now maybe what I am talking about will make more sense to you :P |
| 01:45.43 | NP_complete | WiFiTux, which ports are opened? |
| 01:45.49 | NP_complete | What does it tell? |
| 01:45.55 | jair_11 | abrotman: sorry |
| 01:45.55 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, google it |
| 01:46.05 | NP_complete | google what? |
| 01:46.06 | WiFiTux | google a port scanner |
| 01:46.08 | jair_11 | shingouz: minute os is another floppy OS |
| 01:46.17 | jair_11 | shingouz: I have the floppy disk |
| 01:46.18 | AwesomeMachine | I've got debian on half my drive, what is another good free easy linux - (PLD? maybe) |
| 01:46.20 | WiFiTux | NP_complete, you have ssh installed? |
| 01:46.20 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 01:46.26 | doub | michal_: it begins to make sense, at least ;) |
| 01:46.44 | NP_complete | yeah |
| 01:46.45 | WiFiTux | AwesomeMachine, gentoo |
| 01:46.46 | asg | AwesomeMachine: just install another debian for testing purposes |
| 01:46.52 | shingouz | NP_complete: most isp's block privileged ports unless you have a commecrial account |
| 01:47.00 | AwesomeMachine | WiFiTux: that's not easy |
| 01:47.07 | WiFiTux | AwesomeMachine, hahaha |
| 01:47.15 | asg | AwesomeMachine: then go back to using Windows |
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| 01:47.18 | NP_complete | Ok, ok, ok, i think that's cause i'm black... |
| 01:47.19 | WiFiTux | AwesomeMachine, RH, FC, Ubuntu? |
| 01:47.28 | WiFiTux | rotfl |
| 01:47.33 | WiFiTux | but true |
| 01:47.33 | AwesomeMachine | the frickin manual for installation is like 400 pages |
| 01:47.42 | asg | AwesomeMachine: so? |
| 01:47.45 | WiFiTux | AwesomeMachine, ahh sorry! |
| 01:47.45 | shingouz | reading is good for you |
| 01:47.59 | AwesomeMachine | how 'bout slackware? |
| 01:48.02 | NP_complete | So, if i try to do FTP via 45661 port may it work? |
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| 01:48.23 | shingouz | NP_complete: yes if you set up your nat accordingly |
| 01:48.23 | asg | AwesomeMachine: don't bother, just go back to Windows. You'll be happier and fell better. |
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| 01:48.41 | NP_complete | shingouz: ok, i'm going to try that |
| 01:48.44 | rdr | i'm having trouble getting my i865 intel video card doing anything besides 640x480? I took that option out of my /etc/X11/XF86Config file and it still loads up in 640x480?? |
| 01:48.48 | doub | michal_: so afaict the xen kernel is in the xen package |
| 01:48.51 | AwesomeMachine | NP_complete: you got port forwarding on your router? |
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| 01:48.57 | rdr | i'm having trouble getting my i865 intel video card doing anything besides 640x480? I took that option out of my /etc/X11/XF86Config file and it still loads up in 640x480?? I'm using the i810 driver? |
| 01:49.26 | WiFiTux | rdr, carefull with the md5 in that file, check the top of it. and use a newer kernel |
| 01:49.39 | doub | michal_: and you need to patch your kernel with the kernel-patch-xen provided patch to produce a dom0 and U xenlinux kernels |
| 01:49.44 | WiFiTux | rdr, you don't have to repeat ut |
| 01:49.46 | WiFiTux | it |
| 01:49.48 | AwesomeMachine | rdr, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select which res you want |
| 01:50.05 | doub | michal_: can I go to bed now ? ;) |
| 01:50.17 | WiFiTux | doub, are you a girl? |
| 01:50.20 | AwesomeMachine | anyone in here ever use slackware? |
| 01:50.29 | jair_11 | shingouz: check this http://www.menuetos.org/ |
| 01:50.32 | WiFiTux | AwesomeMachine, #slackware and cut it! |
| 01:50.32 | abrotman | jair_11: i'm not being rude .. i'm just curious why you're tell me :) |
| 01:50.44 | doub | WiFiTux: sorry, i'm not |
| 01:50.46 | shingouz | jair_11: seen it before |
| 01:50.49 | jair_11 | abrotman: it is ok don't worry |
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| 01:50.55 | jair_11 | shingouz: nice |
| 01:51.03 | jair_11 | ok so maybe I will try this |
| 01:51.06 | doub | WiFiTux: do you really expect to find many girls in here? |
| 01:51.07 | shingouz | i have seen OS/2 also..... |
| 01:51.10 | WiFiTux | doub, then go, and alone |
| 01:51.21 | doub | WiFiTux: thanks |
| 01:51.22 | WiFiTux | doub, there are. JL |
| 01:51.25 | NP_complete | AwesomeMachine: NAT? |
| 01:51.36 | jair_11 | shingouz: or I shuld go with the early advices get the floppies and install from the net |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | jair_11: i'm confused!! |
| 01:51.45 | NP_complete | AwesomeMachine: Do you mean NAT? |
| 01:51.52 | shingouz | jair_11: just install debian on the things :) |
| 01:51.53 | jair_11 | shingouz: but what I should get sarge or woody? |
| 01:51.56 | MrP | I'm reading the docs on xfree86.org, and it says I need the XF86_S3 and XF86_SVGA servers, as well as the s3_svga driver. It does not list where (nor does a quick google). Anyone know where I can find these? |
| 01:51.58 | AwesomeMachine | WiFiTux: just because the room says debian doesn't mean you can't talk about anything else |
| 01:52.18 | jair_11 | abrotman: why I was talking with shingouz and i send you the message by mistake |
| 01:52.34 | doub | WiFiTux: i know, that's why I said "many" |
| 01:52.37 | shingouz | jair_11: doesnt really matter. just that the sarge netinstall cd will not work as you dont have the ram there. go with the regular sarge install floppies and you can get debian on the boxe |
| 01:52.41 | WiFiTux | AwesomeMachine, read the topic, read the FAQ |
| 01:52.48 | WiFiTux | doub, okok |
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| 01:52.56 | doub | WiFiTux: anyway, that was a productive discution |
| 01:53.02 | Gnurdux | join #distrowar! |
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| 01:53.10 | shingouz | spammer... |
| 01:53.12 | doub | WiFiTux: nice to meet you |
| 01:53.15 | ignatius | anyone know how to apply a .diff source patch? |
| 01:53.21 | doub | good night you all |
| 01:53.23 | shingouz | ignatius: man patch |
| 01:53.43 | WiFiTux | doub, haha ok! |
| 01:53.49 | WiFiTux | doub, same |
| 01:54.05 | shingouz | ignatius: /msg dpkg patch |
| 01:54.08 | WiFiTux | !ubuntusmite doub |
| 01:54.09 | jair_11 | ok |
| 01:54.15 | WiFiTux | :| |
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| 01:54.48 | some_dude | haha |
| 01:54.58 | some_dude | how can i install a .deb file ? |
| 01:55.03 | doub | WiFiTux: seems like something went wrong |
| 01:55.05 | shingouz | some_dude: man dpkg |
| 01:55.18 | some_dude | i did make it, but i never saw an install thing |
| 01:55.35 | shingouz | some_dude: are you quite sure you read the whole thing |
| 01:55.58 | WiFiTux | !beer doub |
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| 01:56.25 | NP_complete | How to tell fireHOL to forward an specific port number service e.g: 6921 |
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| 01:56.45 | NP_complete | can i write: "server 6921 accept" ??? |
| 01:56.49 | michal_ | doub: sorry.. went to the bathroom |
| 01:57.03 | michal_ | DOH! |
| 01:57.43 | cwood | Have a java/mozilla/sid question, after bugging dpkg for a while. I've installed Sun's package via alien, made the symlink, and the java plugin shows up in Help->About Plugins. Yet I'm not getting any java in my browser, I don't think. What are some useful troubleshooting steps? |
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| 01:57.53 | abrotman | jair_11: ah .. gotcha |
| 01:58.00 | some_dude | oh this is confusing |
| 01:58.10 | some_dude | what the hell chan is this ? |
| 01:58.19 | shingouz | some_dude: #debian i think |
| 01:58.22 | some_dude | bitchx first timer |
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| 01:58.54 | nvz | some_dude: you're someone's bitchx :P |
| 01:59.06 | NP_complete | Ok, i can get FTP accens on my LAN |
| 01:59.07 | ignatius | so I have to apply the patch and then recompile? |
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| 01:59.10 | shingouz | bitchin' :) |
| 01:59.10 | MrP | some_dude: dpkg -i <package>.deb |
| 01:59.16 | shingouz | ignatius: yes |
| 01:59.21 | NP_complete | can you try to join in? |
| 01:59.30 | NP_complete | 80.26.29.244:6921 |
| 01:59.32 | nvz | BX: Confusion comes by default |
| 01:59.34 | ignatius | and I can get the source from doing an apt-get source <pkg>, correct? |
| 01:59.42 | jair_11 | abrotman: ;) |
| 01:59.53 | CyzarX | ping result consist of ip number and other relavant information. how do i cut only the ip address and assign to a variable? |
| 02:00.04 | MrP | I'm reading the docs on xfree86.org, and it says I need the XF86_S3 and XF86_SVGA servers, as well as the s3_svga driver. It does not list where (nor does a quick google). Anyone know where I can find these? |
| 02:00.20 | ugexe | i am trying to install grub to hda, so i booted off a knoppix cd and did grub-install /dev/hda however when i reboot grub does not show up |
| 02:00.29 | shingouz | ignatius: yup |
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| 02:01.17 | ignatius | damnit |
| 02:01.17 | shingouz | MrP: apt-cache search xf86-<servername> |
| 02:01.19 | ignatius | it won't make |
| 02:01.23 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok the floppies I will be creating will be done from a windows crap machine from my wife |
| 02:01.26 | some_dude | unrar |
| 02:01.34 | shingouz | jair_11: hehe |
| 02:01.46 | shingouz | some_dude: that is for warez only |
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| 02:02.01 | jair_11 | shingouz: so I will need to download the program RaWrite3 right? |
| 02:02.08 | shingouz | jair_11: yes |
| 02:02.13 | dEa | what is my Video Cards bus identifier.. lsci show 01:00.0 videocard is ATI rega pro 3d agp |
| 02:02.17 | jair_11 | ok |
| 02:02.24 | shingouz | i guess you have to do it in the console though |
| 02:02.33 | jair_11 | yes |
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| 02:03.05 | dEa | im configuring Xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:03.07 | jair_11 | shingouz: do you mean I can not create the floppies from the windows? |
| 02:03.18 | jair_11 | shingouz: nooo I think I did it the last time |
| 02:03.33 | shingouz | jair_11: yes you can with rawrite but you cannot just click on the damn program and expect it to work |
| 02:03.44 | ignatius | let me see if I can do it with apt-build |
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| 02:04.01 | shingouz | jair_11: rwawrite is a consoel program designed to run in the "dos-window" |
| 02:04.15 | shingouz | damn i hate the name "dos-window" |
| 02:04.22 | jair_11 | shingouz: rihgt I think I have the command to right to the floppies |
| 02:04.28 | AwesomeMachine | is there a program that will take 4 CD images and make them into one dvd image? |
| 02:04.29 | jair_11 | I will try to find them |
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| 02:04.47 | asg | CyzarX: man awk |
| 02:05.17 | shingouz | AwesomeMachine: mount the cd images as loop and let mkisofs read them into a bigger image |
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| 02:07.09 | ignatius | damnit! |
| 02:07.11 | ignatius | stupid debian |
| 02:07.17 | ignatius | all these tools that just don't work |
| 02:07.18 | shingouz | ignatius: what happened? |
| 02:07.29 | ignatius | I can't get libimlib2 to apt-build |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | apt-get install libimlib2 |
| 02:07.44 | shingouz | ignatius: why the hell do you want to install that from source? |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | works fine for me |
| 02:07.46 | ignatius | it says it can't find a source package for libimlib2 |
| 02:07.48 | cwood | Have a java/mozilla/sid question, after bugging dpkg for a while. I've installed Sun's package via alien, made the symlink, and the java plugin shows up in Help->About Plugins. Yet I'm not getting any java in my browser, I don't think. What are some useful troubleshooting steps? |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | install the damn binary package |
| 02:08.05 | shingouz | yea |
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| 02:08.08 | ignatius | because I have to apply a DAMN patch |
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| 02:08.09 | abrotman | !tell cwood about java |
| 02:08.14 | abrotman | ignatius: ew |
| 02:08.23 | atrus | dpkg: java |
| 02:08.23 | dpkg | i guess java is a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 02:08.24 | shingouz | why do you need to apply a patch to the libs then? |
| 02:08.29 | ignatius | otherwise, I get no Esetroot or feh |
| 02:08.36 | abrotman | no esetroot ? |
| 02:08.44 | shingouz | i find that hard to believe |
| 02:08.46 | ignatius | which is always nice for setting background images in X |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | !tell atrus about msg |
| 02:08.56 | cwood | Yes, I've bothered dpkg about all that. Now I still have a question. :) |
| 02:09.03 | asg | cwood: did you check 'Edit -> Preferences -> Web Features' |
| 02:09.08 | ignatius | I'm sorry that you find it hard to believe. Why not go and check the bug tracker - I'm in it. |
| 02:09.12 | atrus | abrotman: sorry, my bad. that's what i meant to do. |
| 02:09.15 | shingouz | !esetroot |
| 02:09.15 | dpkg | i guess esetroot is 'Esetroot stopped working??? fix it by installing libimlib2-dev' |
| 02:09.19 | jair_11 | shingouz: that is the url to et the floppies cool |
| 02:09.24 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 02:09.26 | shingouz | jair_11: yes |
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| 02:09.40 | jair_11 | shingouz: thank you |
| 02:09.43 | shingouz | and you can find pretty much the same directory on the cd's too for that matter |
| 02:09.48 | ignatius | so |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:09.55 | jair_11 | shingouz: ohhh ok |
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| 02:10.08 | jair_11 | but then I shuld install what sarge or woody? |
| 02:10.10 | ignatius | rather than being smarty mcsmarty pants about it, why not try to be a little proactive? We're not all morons. |
| 02:10.13 | Withdraw | when i mount a floppy disk what fs tyoe is it? |
| 02:10.21 | shingouz | jair_11: as i said before, sarge |
| 02:10.28 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 02:10.30 | jair_11 | copied |
| 02:10.40 | jair_11 | and I will do it through the net |
| 02:10.46 | jair_11 | ftp or http |
| 02:10.48 | cwood | I don't seem to have a "Web Features" item in my preferences dialog. |
| 02:10.55 | shingouz | ignatius: you have just complained about how stupid debian is, no error messages or anything so far |
| 02:10.55 | ignatius | yeah |
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| 02:11.10 | ignatius | shingouz: I was blowing off steam. I obviously love debian. |
| 02:11.11 | jair_11 | shingouz: if I have the 7 cds they are woody not sarge right? |
| 02:11.16 | ignatius | I'm just frustrated with this bug |
| 02:11.24 | shingouz | jair_11: that would be sarge i think |
| 02:11.32 | Withdraw | what type of file system is a floppy disk |
| 02:11.36 | ignatius | that been said, I run sid. Not just sid, but pure64 sid, so of course there's going to be bugs |
| 02:11.44 | dEa | !jigdo |
| 02:11.44 | dpkg | from memory, jigdo is *the* method for downloading cd images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 02:11.49 | shingouz | ignatius: how about go have some caffeine and get back to it after about 30 mins then? just to blow off some steam? |
| 02:11.56 | try_catch_this | I need to do some inter process communication, whats the simplest way to share data between 2 programs in real time |
| 02:12.00 | shingouz | ignatius: i see... |
| 02:12.02 | cwood | Withdraw: Whatever people formatted it with. Try msdos or ext2 or ext3? |
| 02:12.04 | ignatius | no, I'm always high strung. |
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| 02:12.10 | NP_complete | hi again |
| 02:12.13 | Withdraw | ok |
| 02:12.20 | shingouz | there is no way you can have too much caffine in your blood |
| 02:12.24 | MrP | Dexconf: error: this program does not know how to configure the "xserver-s3" x server ... Uhhh, how do I fix that? :) |
| 02:12.27 | ignatius | it comes from too much sex |
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| 02:12.33 | NP_complete | Is there any way to use Wake-On-Lan, over Internet, i mean, not on a lan??? |
| 02:12.45 | jair_11 | hahahah |
| 02:12.52 | jair_11 | ok |
| 02:12.55 | shingouz | NP_complete: and why the hell would you like to do that then? |
| 02:12.56 | jair_11 | look |
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| 02:13.31 | jair_11 | shingouz: in the url you gave me I can download the utility to write the floppies on the windows too. |
| 02:13.35 | NP_complete | shingouz, so i don't need to keep my computer awake all the fuckin time |
| 02:13.39 | shingouz | jair_11: :) |
| 02:13.57 | jair_11 | shingouz: so the floppies are the ones on the folder images 1.44 |
| 02:14.03 | shingouz | NP_complete: and run a server on it at the same time? not a good idea |
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| 02:14.05 | jair_11 | right |
| 02:14.07 | asg | NP_complete: a computer that isn't computing is just a box with electronic bits in it; it should be on all the time. |
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| 02:14.17 | NP_complete | shingouz, And not need to call my mommy and tell het to push the button |
| 02:14.19 | jair_11 | shingouz: I found the utility rewrite |
| 02:14.21 | shingouz | jair_11: yes. and the folder is a directory |
| 02:14.34 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok the directory |
| 02:14.36 | shingouz | NP_complete: just let the server run all the time |
| 02:14.55 | jair_11 | shingouz: now I will need to find a tutorial with the command I do not remember it |
| 02:15.13 | NP_complete | shingouz, but, dou you mean there's no way to perform that si-fi action? |
| 02:15.19 | shingouz | NP_complete: besides having wake-on-lan means someone can do even more nasty things to the setup that without it |
| 02:15.23 | jair_11 | I think is this:dd if=file of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync |
| 02:15.23 | felipe__ | is there any other way to access other computers in my trust net other then w/ konqueror?? Or at least another program that would browse it?? |
| 02:15.26 | atrus | NP_complete: i don't think wake-on-lan can work over tcp/ip like that. you'd need another computer you could use to activate a wake-on-lan command via ssh or a web cgi or something, i think. |
| 02:15.31 | shingouz | NP_complete: si-fi? |
| 02:15.36 | jair_11 | actually that one is from a Linux pc |
| 02:15.40 | jair_11 | right |
| 02:15.42 | shingouz | jair_11: that is on linux |
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| 02:15.53 | NP_complete | sience-fiction |
| 02:15.55 | jair_11 | on windows? I will need to check |
| 02:15.58 | ignatius | I would also like to take this opportunity to say that the default x background is just... bad. |
| 02:16.00 | shingouz | jair_11: there is something looking like rawrite |
| 02:16.02 | ignatius | but I know why it's like that. |
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| 02:16.12 | shingouz | NP_complete: sci-fi |
| 02:16.14 | ignatius | it still blows that it's my desktop background now ;) |
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| 02:16.24 | NP_complete | sorry bout poor english :( |
| 02:16.29 | shingouz | np |
| 02:16.30 | asg | ignatius: man xsetroot |
| 02:16.30 | pipeline | ignatius: xsetroot --solid <color> |
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| 02:17.02 | jair_11 | shingouz: i found it http://www.fdos.org/ripcord/rawrite/readme.txt |
| 02:17.03 | dEa | i have woody isntalled in my conputer.. can i someway upgrade it to sarge withput bootdisk/cds ? |
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| 02:17.05 | NP_complete | Will Ipv6 be able to perform WOL over TCP/IP? it will be great |
| 02:17.06 | jair_11 | got it |
| 02:17.06 | shingouz | NP_complete: if you run a server there it has to be on all the time or it is useless |
| 02:17.08 | jair_11 | ok |
| 02:17.12 | jair_11 | I will start |
| 02:17.12 | ignatius | pipeline: yeah there we go. Thanks. |
| 02:17.13 | pipeline | ignatius: And, while it's ugly, the X background is a monochrome procedural texture that will immediately tell you if something is fucked up about the display |
| 02:17.14 | atrus | NP_complete: doubtful. |
| 02:17.15 | asg | dEa: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 02:17.20 | ignatius | I know |
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| 02:17.27 | Hmm-work | I got a linux newb question, "you will have to define the environment variable OPENH323DIR to |
| 02:17.28 | Hmm-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.36 | NP_complete | or it can be a big mess... |
| 02:17.38 | shingouz | NP_complete: wake on lan is possible from the internet but you do not want to do it. period. |
| 02:17.41 | Hmm-work | how do I define an environment variable? |
| 02:17.55 | asg | Hmm-work: export OPENH323DIR="/correct/directory" |
| 02:18.00 | atrus | NP_complete: if you needed, you could probabbly get away with a very cheap low-power computer with no hard drive or anything as a server to wake up the other machine. |
| 02:18.01 | NP_complete | why not, shingouz? |
| 02:18.10 | zinx | o_O |
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| 02:18.14 | zinx | WOL uses the mac address..... |
| 02:18.26 | Hmm-work | asg: isn't that variable destroyed as soon as I close that terminal window though? |
| 02:18.36 | shingouz | NP_complete: because it is annoying as hell and someone nasty can do even nastier things to your computer if he is able to reboot it off the internet |
| 02:18.36 | ignatius | well |
| 02:18.40 | ardy | Does anyonw know where devfs stored the default policies for particular devices? |
| 02:18.44 | ignatius | thanks to you guys, I now have a black bg |
| 02:18.55 | asg | Hmm-work: yes, put it in your shell's dotfiles for longtime effectiveness |
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| 02:19.05 | atrus | shingouz: maybe it's not a server? maybe it's just a desktop machine that he wants to access occasionally via VNC or something |
| 02:19.10 | NP_complete | shingouz: yeah |
| 02:19.10 | asg | Hmm-work: .bashrc (if you us bash, which you probably are using) |
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| 02:19.20 | shingouz | atrus: the same applies to desktops |
| 02:19.21 | Hmm-work | ok |
| 02:19.29 | asg | ignatius: once you go black, you won't go back |
| 02:20.09 | NP_complete | well bye, nice to talk with you |
| 02:20.10 | atrus | shingouz: if it's just waking from an ACPI sleep/hibernation state there's nothing to worry about there |
| 02:20.34 | shingouz | asg: unless the computer happens to be your roadwarrior that is used while off-site. in such case something XP-bashing is in order ;) |
| 02:20.45 | shingouz | atrus: wanna bet? |
| 02:21.01 | atrus | shingouz: no, but i'd love to hear what you think could go wrong :) |
| 02:21.09 | asg | shingouz: yes, a simple black background beats all. |
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| 02:21.28 | shingouz | atrus: just the thought that someone can boot/turn on my computer remotely makes ma sick |
| 02:21.46 | shingouz | makes me sick too |
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| 02:21.56 | atrus | shingouz: it's at least as secure that way as an always-on server |
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| 02:22.47 | shingouz | atrus: whatever. it still is annoying shit to have the computer turn on when someone tries to access it. don't do it |
| 02:23.04 | Nooby | does somebody uses a a HP 712 PA RISC ? |
| 02:23.17 | atrus | shingouz: annoying to who? |
| 02:23.30 | shingouz | atrus: to the owner of the computer |
| 02:23.31 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: there are specific places where having the machine turn on is very useful |
| 02:23.42 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: if you're not in one of them, turn off that feature. |
| 02:23.43 | atrus | shingouz: WOL requires a magic packet that won't be sent accidentally. |
| 02:23.43 | dEa | !apt.get |
| 02:23.57 | Nooby | !PA-RISC |
| 02:23.57 | dpkg | well, pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 02:24.12 | shingouz | dondelelcaro: no wake on lan here, trust me on that :) |
| 02:24.16 | rdr | ok |
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| 02:24.36 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: that's fine. Your situation doesn't change the utility of it for other people. |
| 02:24.51 | shingouz | hmm... you're right... |
| 02:25.10 | atrus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:25.28 | rdr | i've tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and i picked 1024x768 and it still boots up in 640x480??? I edited my XF86Config-4 file and removed all options for 640x480 options and nothing works?? |
| 02:25.36 | rdr | still get 640x480? |
| 02:25.52 | rdr | once again this is a i865 card with the i810 driver |
| 02:26.05 | dondelelcaro | rdr: 1) lay off the question mark, please... 2) use the paster bot to psate your XF86Config-4 file |
| 02:26.08 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 02:26.08 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
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| 02:27.06 | CyzarX | ping result consist of ip number and other relavant information. how do i cut only the the first ip address in the ping result and assign to a variable? |
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| 02:27.28 | asg | CyzarX: VAR=$(ping -c1 example.com | awk '/^64/{print $5}' | tr -d ')(:') |
| 02:27.43 | pearl | asg: freak :-p |
| 02:27.57 | asg | pearl: it was a tribute to peterS |
| 02:28.22 | asg | pearl: and he asked earlier |
| 02:28.22 | pearl | whos peterS? |
| 02:28.23 | asg | !peterS |
| 02:28.23 | dpkg | i guess peters is tired |
| 02:28.23 | rdr | ok |
| 02:28.23 | asg | bah |
| 02:28.23 | CyzarX | LoL, where is peterS ? im looking for him |
| 02:28.26 | pearl | !pearl |
| 02:28.26 | dpkg | i heard pearl is perl, damnit |
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| 02:28.30 | asg | pearl: the one with the '(:' smiley |
| 02:28.30 | pearl | lol |
| 02:28.34 | rdr | i pasted it in #debain-bots it was the only option that had #debian in it |
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| 02:29.12 | pearl | asg: have you read a book about awk? |
| 02:29.25 | asg | pearl: I have read several |
| 02:29.42 | shingouz | rdr: in #flood please |
| 02:29.45 | dondelelcaro | rdr: so it'll show up in 1024x768 or 800x600, but not 640x480 |
| 02:29.52 | dondelelcaro | shingouz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/281 |
| 02:29.54 | asg | pearl: there is likely a much more efficent way of producing the same result though. |
| 02:30.00 | rdr | ok |
| 02:30.09 | rdr | i pasted it in #flood on the web |
| 02:30.11 | dondelelcaro | rdr: if you run xdpyinfo you'll see one or the other |
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| 02:30.30 | CyzarX | asg, can i pm u for a few questions? |
| 02:30.35 | asg | CyzarX: sure |
| 02:30.40 | CyzarX | asg, thanks |
| 02:30.45 | asg | CyzarX: you're welcome |
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| 02:31.25 | rdr | not following you? |
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| 02:31.38 | rdr | no |
| 02:31.43 | dondelelcaro | rdr: start up your xserver, run xpdyinfo in a term. Look at the results. |
| 02:31.48 | rdr | it shows up ONLY in 640x480 |
| 02:32.05 | rdr | ok, i ran xpdyinfo |
| 02:32.14 | dondelelcaro | rdr: if it's not showing, paste the output of /var/log/XFree86.log.0 using the pasterbot |
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| 02:32.41 | roo9 | i'm getting about 800-900k transfer between 2 drives on my system, but over the network i get 8-10mbps transfer. Any ideas? |
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| 02:33.21 | rdr | the first line is "dimensions: 640x480 pixels (163x122 millimeters)" |
| 02:33.36 | dondelelcaro | rdr: hrm... well, then I'll need to see the log file. |
| 02:33.49 | dondelelcaro | s/log.0/0.log/ |
| 02:34.39 | shingouz | rdr: this may be a bit stupid but you did restart X after you configured the server? |
| 02:35.12 | rdr | yep, ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 02:35.18 | rdr | then startx again |
| 02:35.25 | shingouz | k |
| 02:35.50 | rdr | my stupid terminal window doesn't have a big enough buffer for the XFree86.0.log |
| 02:36.04 | FieldySnuts | use a pager such as less or more |
| 02:36.08 | ignatius | rdr: aterm loves you |
| 02:36.11 | rdr | lol |
| 02:36.16 | rdr | i need notepad |
| 02:36.18 | ignatius | it told me |
| 02:36.20 | asg | rdr: man nano |
| 02:36.21 | ignatius | no you don't |
| 02:36.30 | rdr | i know |
| 02:36.31 | rdr | gedit |
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| 02:36.41 | ignatius | or just pipe it through less or more |
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| 02:37.24 | rdr | k |
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| 02:37.30 | rdr | its should have pasted |
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| 02:39.16 | loke_ | hola fellow debians |
| 02:39.26 | rdr | just to say it again, I can only get my card to work in 640x480, even though that resolution isn't in my XF86Config-4 file.... |
| 02:40.01 | dondelelcaro | rdr: you said yes to framebuffer. |
| 02:40.22 | dondelelcaro | rdr: rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and say no to framebuffer. |
| 02:40.32 | loke_ | just say 'no' |
| 02:40.44 | loke_ | !beer everybody |
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| 02:41.03 | theskunk | HELP!-- trying to install debian on a amd64, i used the debian 64 installer.... and i configured apt-get but now i have no idea what im doing, i tried apt-get xfce but what do i do now? |
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| 02:41.07 | Nooby | wth hell is lager ... |
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| 02:41.23 | Nooby | german rheinheitsgebot rulez |
| 02:41.30 | loke_ | !tell theskunk about apt-get |
| 02:41.41 | toresbe | theskunk: apt-get *install* package |
| 02:41.49 | toresbe | theskunk: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 02:41.51 | loke_ | theskunk yeah 'install' you missed |
| 02:41.52 | dondelelcaro | someone talking about the purity laws who doesn't know what a lager is? |
| 02:42.13 | loke_ | yuengling RULES! |
| 02:42.18 | loke_ | just like debian! |
| 02:42.20 | Nooby | well had to drink it in great britian .. tasts awfull |
| 02:42.23 | toresbe | lager is a place you putt stuff |
| 02:42.34 | toresbe | it is in Norway, anyway :P |
| 02:42.38 | nvz | I tried xfce a few times, but I dont see the point. its got no interesting features that I can see |
| 02:42.42 | dondelelcaro | Nooby: there are crappy lagers just like there are crappy beers. |
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| 02:42.54 | loke_ | nvz i perfer flux |
| 02:42.58 | theskunk | okie, after it intsalls, do i need to configure anything |
| 02:43.00 | theskunk | ? |
| 02:43.00 | loke_ | or openbox |
| 02:43.14 | dondelelcaro | rdr: the key error in the log file is "(II) I810(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name)" by the way, which is insanity. |
| 02:43.15 | loke_ | theskunk prolly |
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| 02:43.26 | nvz | ion is nice it uses less than 3mb of memory |
| 02:43.30 | nvz | ion2 even |
| 02:43.33 | rdr | sorry, but when i ran dpkg-reconfigure it didn't ask about framebuffers?? |
| 02:43.37 | dondelelcaro | rdr: you may need to refer to the mode as 54 or something |
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| 02:43.52 | theskunk | loke_, any explanation? |
| 02:43.58 | loke_ | nvz i gotta try that one |
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| 02:44.05 | loke_ | theskunk explain what? |
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| 02:44.25 | hogballs | ,>flashback<. i cant believe my ati radeon 9600 pro xt is working in debian |
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| 02:45.14 | theskunk | nevermind, it automatically pulled up configuration stuff |
| 02:45.15 | theskunk | i think |
| 02:45.57 | theskunk | okay, how do i get into xfce now? or what do i need to configure, sorry for all the questions, i really am somewhat clueless |
| 02:46.13 | loke_ | theskunk startx |
| 02:46.21 | theskunk | command not found |
| 02:46.40 | loke_ | !tell theskunk about install x |
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| 02:47.03 | shingouz | theskunk: before you startx, be smart and cd into your home. run setup_xfce (or was it xfce_setup) there just to get all the correct config files there |
| 02:47.11 | loke_ | theskunk /msg dpkg for more info |
| 02:47.28 | loke_ | theskunk /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:47.30 | hogballs | is there a command i can do that lists my current computer specs briefly? |
| 02:47.47 | nvz | hogballs: console or X? |
| 02:47.50 | loke_ | hogballs yes, its in proc |
| 02:47.55 | hogballs | console |
| 02:48.00 | loke_ | hogballs, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 02:48.12 | shingouz | hogballs: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:48.17 | nvz | hogballs: uname -a; lspci, lsusb ..etc |
| 02:48.19 | hogballs | like video card and cpu and memory |
| 02:48.21 | nvz | depends on what you want |
| 02:48.23 | loke_ | yep |
| 02:48.28 | hogballs | but i want a short version |
| 02:48.31 | ardy | I keep on loosing the permissions I set on my devices (most notably /dev/nvidiactl) how can I make the permissions permanent? |
| 02:48.31 | nvz | for X you can just install and run hardinfo |
| 02:48.41 | loke_ | hogballs write down what we just told you |
| 02:48.55 | loke_ | nvz or xdpyinfo |
| 02:49.00 | nvz | hogballs: do you have X? |
| 02:49.06 | hogballs | hehe how did youknow that i had paper and pencils |
| 02:49.16 | shingouz | just a hunch... |
| 02:49.33 | loke_ | hogballs you can write in your computer too, no? |
| 02:49.52 | loke_ | just a thought... |
| 02:49.54 | hogballs | yes butin case my x crashes |
| 02:50.01 | nvz | !info hardinfo |
| 02:50.06 | dpkg | hardinfo: (Displays system information), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.6-5 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
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| 02:50.11 | loke_ | nvz i dont have hardinfo |
| 02:50.23 | nvz | loke_: its in sarge/sid I dont know about woody |
| 02:50.29 | loke_ | nvz im on sid |
| 02:50.37 | loke_ | nvz what package do i need? |
| 02:50.47 | loke_ | duh |
| 02:50.54 | loke_ | hardinfo, via apt-cache search |
| 02:51.00 | nvz | loke_: it just has gtk window with tabs, one is basic uname/memory info, then lspci, lsusb, lspnp..etc type info and X server info |
| 02:51.12 | loke_ | im checkin it out |
| 02:51.14 | nvz | its very basic |
| 02:51.24 | loke_ | oh its gui |
| 02:51.29 | nSe | loke_: are you on sid? how things are going? |
| 02:51.37 | loke_ | i love sid |
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| 02:51.50 | rdr | sorry, but when i ran dpkg-reconfigure it didn't ask about framebuffers?? is it one of the modules?? |
| 02:51.51 | loke_ | i meat |
| 02:51.53 | ardy | Anyone??: I keep on loosing the permissions I set on my devices (most notably /dev/nvidiactl) how can I make the permissions permanent? |
| 02:51.55 | loke_ | meant sarge |
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| 02:52.03 | loke_ | nSe im on sarge |
| 02:52.04 | loke_ | sorry |
| 02:52.29 | debian | gmail invitation...finally. :( |
| 02:52.40 | hogballs | MemTotal: 1036524 kB |
| 02:52.41 | hogballs | MemFree: 375844 kB |
| 02:52.46 | shingouz | ardy: make yourself a member of the appropriate group would be a better way |
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| 02:53.39 | hogballs | < i just ran cat /proc/meminfo |
| 02:53.50 | KirbyMeister | What the heck is 'GRUB error code 18 |
| 02:54.01 | zinx | KirbyMeister: info grub |
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| 02:54.23 | nvz | hogballs: another really nice program which is for console, its ncurses based is htop, shows memory/cpu info and running processes in a nice curses interface |
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| 02:54.33 | KirbyMeister | okay... I'm getting the grub manpage |
| 02:54.44 | zinx | KirbyMeister: strange, you should get the info page |
| 02:54.58 | zinx | might need grub-doc |
| 02:55.19 | KirbyMeister | i'm using a Knoppix 3.6 right now, since I cant boot into Debian OR Windows |
| 02:55.21 | zinx | just google for it if you don't want to install the documentation :/ |
| 02:55.24 | KirbyMeister | okay |
| 02:55.38 | zinx | grub stage2 error 18 or something |
| 02:55.47 | KirbyMeister | yeah |
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| 02:55.58 | KirbyMeister | i think it's something stupid and insane |
| 02:56.28 | roo9 | does anyone know of a way to see the transfer rate of a file copy? |
| 02:57.20 | KirbyMeister | okay... |
| 02:57.33 | dedalus | hi |
| 02:57.45 | KirbyMeister | for some reason, GRUB cant find hdb2, since the BIOS isnt giving it cylinders beyond 1024??? |
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| 02:57.55 | KirbyMeister | but it's worked fine for a long time |
| 02:58.01 | dedalus | which package have i to remove to remove appletalks |
| 02:58.03 | dedalus | ?? |
| 02:58.11 | zinx | i think it's probably a bit more than 1024 |
| 02:58.58 | KirbyMeister | I have a windows partition on hdb1 that I can shrink |
| 02:59.56 | hogballs | well im looking to mount my windows partitions. what is the commands to accomplish that in console and is there a .deb i can get that automates that? |
| 03:00.19 | KirbyMeister | you try using the mount command as root? |
| 03:00.25 | hogballs | no |
| 03:00.38 | KirbyMeister | you even know how to mount? |
| 03:00.43 | hogballs | no |
| 03:00.48 | KirbyMeister | okay... |
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| 03:01.00 | KirbyMeister | you ever work with the BASH shell? |
| 03:01.03 | hogballs | yes |
| 03:01.05 | swatikiss | i am trying to run dhcpd on my 2nd eth card for my home network ~it keeps telling me i have to write a subnet declaration in my dhcpd.conf file for eth0.... i want eth1 to be the card that is on the local network .. i am at a lost of where to start with this... |
| 03:01.06 | hogballs | $ |
| 03:01.31 | hogballs | why use bash shell |
| 03:01.35 | hogballs | to mount? |
| 03:01.42 | KirbyMeister | BASH shell is your command-line |
| 03:01.44 | hogballs | and is bash the $ prompt? |
| 03:01.52 | KirbyMeister | Yes bash is the $ prompt |
| 03:02.04 | hogballs | ok and #is admin commands |
| 03:02.07 | rdr | dondelelcaro: there is no option for framebuffer when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86?? |
| 03:02.16 | hogballs | anyway |
| 03:02.23 | KirbyMeister | hogballs: This is going to take some time to explain |
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| 03:02.43 | nvz | hogballs: man mount, man fstab |
| 03:02.44 | hogballs | wellp |
| 03:02.47 | hogballs | ok |
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| 03:02.58 | hogballs | commands commands thats what i need |
| 03:03.08 | hogballs | i write them down for later usages |
| 03:03.13 | posit | sorry for such a basic question... is there something I need to do before I can install some packages from unstable on a testing system? aptitude says it can't find any unstable packages |
| 03:03.24 | KirbyMeister | you want... unstable? |
| 03:03.24 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok I download the files: rescue.bin root.bin and I need one more right? |
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| 03:03.27 | nvz | hogballs: you need to learn apropos and man, and then stop writing and start reading |
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| 03:03.37 | jair_11 | shingouz: but will be in total 3 floppies> |
| 03:03.47 | nvz | hogballs: read the manpages for mount and fstab, they are the two files you need to read. |
| 03:03.48 | jair_11 | shingouz: or will be 2 floppies |
| 03:03.50 | shmike | hello |
| 03:04.28 | jair_11 | to write it on the floppie they need to be on the same directory on the rescue.bin and root.bin |
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| 03:04.45 | jair_11 | I am trying to create the debian sarge floppies |
| 03:04.56 | shmike | i need a command line tool to burn a iso image |
| 03:05.00 | KirbyMeister | okay, for some reason my BIOS is insane |
| 03:05.06 | hogballs | i hate reading for some things im trying to accomplish |
| 03:05.06 | nvz | shmike: cdrecord |
| 03:05.08 | shingouz | jair_11: sec |
| 03:05.12 | jair_11 | anyone can give me a hand here ok |
| 03:05.14 | jair_11 | ok |
| 03:05.16 | hogballs | my bad |
| 03:05.36 | KirbyMeister | i'm going to have to fix it |
| 03:05.45 | shmike | nvz: cdrecord -scanbus does not work |
| 03:05.58 | enerv | shmike, kernel? |
| 03:06.04 | shingouz | jair_11: i think you have to be in the same directory and grab the driver disks too while youre at it |
| 03:06.05 | nvz | hogballs: the mount command is the command to mount, nobody can tell you how to use it better than the manpage, the fstab is the file that configures filesystems, its manpage also describes it best |
| 03:06.07 | shmike | 2.4.12 |
| 03:06.15 | simonrvn | g'night asg |
| 03:06.15 | shingouz | nite asg |
| 03:06.33 | nvz | !doesnt work |
| 03:06.42 | nvz | !doesn't work |
| 03:06.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:07.09 | shingouz | dpkg is a bit sarcastic tonight :) |
| 03:07.09 | dpkg | shingouz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:07.18 | jair_11 | shingouz: but all I need is the root.bin and the rescue.bin right? |
| 03:07.49 | shingouz | jair_11: if the original directory hsa the driver disks in it you will need them too |
| 03:07.58 | enerv | shmike, device? |
| 03:08.00 | shmike | nvz: it doesn't return the dev=0,0,0 value |
| 03:08.06 | theskunk | loke_, anything on installing nvidia drivers? |
| 03:08.09 | hogballs | now thats what im talking about nvz |
| 03:08.12 | shmike | right enerv |
| 03:08.23 | nvz | shmike: so? |
| 03:08.49 | shingouz | shmike: could you paste the command and output in #flood? |
| 03:08.50 | some_dude | do i need open sound system for gnome ? |
| 03:08.55 | some_dude | it's not in my kernel |
| 03:09.06 | shingouz | some_dude: either OSS or Alsa |
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| 03:09.11 | shingouz | i prefer alsa |
| 03:09.18 | hogballs | nvz: is there a .deb package i can apt-get or whatever that does the gui version to mount? |
| 03:09.34 | some_dude | i have alsa, but i have no sound in gnome |
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| 03:09.47 | some_dude | and no volume control on winamp |
| 03:09.48 | some_dude | xmms |
| 03:09.50 | shmike | i am in windows right now i installed a new video card and debian only starts in command line |
| 03:09.53 | hogballs | !dpkg automount |
| 03:09.54 | dpkg | [automount] autofs you moron |
| 03:10.02 | shingouz | some_dude: did you configure alsa already? |
| 03:10.05 | hogballs | !dpkg autofs |
| 03:10.05 | dpkg | autofs is, like, a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting |
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| 03:10.19 | hogballs | ok |
| 03:10.19 | cs-cam | anyone know how i can change font colours in Qt? |
| 03:10.32 | hogballs | i got autofs now |
| 03:10.36 | some_dude | shingouz it was working, but then i upgrade my kernel and how it stoped |
| 03:10.39 | cs-cam | without using any kde toosl because i only have Qt installed, not kdebase or anyhting |
| 03:10.48 | enerv | shmike, cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc -data /home/xxx/xx.iso |
| 03:10.51 | hogballs | !dpkg mountntfs |
| 03:10.51 | shingouz | some_dude: custom or from debian |
| 03:10.55 | nvz | hogballs: well you see you want to configure your mounts in /etc/fstab, then you could use something graphical to mount/umount them.. though this is typically only needed for removable media like floppy,cdrom, or usb drives |
| 03:10.56 | enerv | shmike, cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdX -data /home/xxx/xx.iso |
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| 03:11.00 | some_dude | custom |
| 03:11.04 | pearl | !dpkg debian |
| 03:11.04 | shmike | thsnks enerv |
| 03:11.05 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:11.10 | some_dude | from www.kernel.org |
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| 03:11.36 | shingouz | some_dude: you probably missed configuring the sound while you were doing the configs |
| 03:12.20 | some_dude | do i need to use a debian config file ? |
| 03:12.25 | some_dude | for the kernel |
| 03:12.34 | shingouz | some_dude: no, you just need to configure the stuff correctly |
| 03:12.34 | some_dude | I'm on 2.6.10 |
| 03:12.37 | enerv | shmike if not work, edit /etc/lilo.conf and add append="hdX-ide-scsi" |
| 03:12.45 | some_dude | it was working |
| 03:12.57 | shingouz | some_dude: you *did* configure before make-kpkg kernel-image? |
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| 03:13.05 | enerv | shmike after insmod ide-scsi |
| 03:13.17 | hogballs | 743 people in this room and only 5 are talking |
| 03:13.19 | hogballs | haha |
| 03:13.22 | some_dude | i downloaded the sources, untared it, and then made it |
| 03:13.27 | loke_ | 6 |
| 03:13.28 | anakin_z | Anyone had experience installing mono on debian sarge? |
| 03:13.37 | hogballs | !dpkg lol |
| 03:13.37 | dpkg | [lol] Loser On Line, good work hogballs, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 03:13.37 | shingouz | some_dude: did you do make menuconfig? |
| 03:13.40 | loke_ | mono? |
| 03:13.40 | shmike | ok i will try that enerv |
| 03:13.41 | some_dude | yea |
| 03:13.42 | jair_11 | shingouz: I already crate the one from rescue.bin |
| 03:13.46 | FieldySnuts | hogballs: and one of them is trolling; you |
| 03:13.54 | swatikiss | who can i tell dhcpd to serve on a specific eth card ?? |
| 03:13.58 | jair_11 | shingouz: I shuld create the otherone on the same floppie? |
| 03:14.08 | jair_11 | shingouz: the root.bin? |
| 03:14.08 | some_dude | shingouz i customized it, a lot |
| 03:14.12 | shingouz | jair_11: another floppy of course! |
| 03:14.13 | some_dude | maybe to much ? |
| 03:14.14 | loke_ | swatikiss dhclient ethX? |
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| 03:14.16 | jair_11 | ohhh |
| 03:14.18 | jair_11 | ok |
| 03:14.19 | CyzarX | if [ "$var" == *.*.*.* ] ; then echo ip address is "$var" it seem that *.*.*.* wont work . my objective is to match any numeric number. what should i put for the wildcard? |
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| 03:14.25 | anakin_z | loke_, mono is pretty much like .NET framework for nix |
| 03:14.27 | some_dude | i removed open sound |
| 03:14.29 | jair_11 | and then i will need a third floppie right? |
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| 03:14.40 | jair_11 | shingouz: I will need a third floppy? |
| 03:14.42 | shingouz | some_dude: you need to go back to the config and see if you have alsa configured then |
| 03:14.43 | cafuego | anakin_z: No, there is no mono for AMD64 (and the compiler bootstrap is broken) |
| 03:14.53 | hogballs | fieldysnuts my video card finallyt works so im a happy camper now. sorry for everything. |
| 03:14.56 | anakin_z | I dont have AMD64 |
| 03:15.02 | jair_11 | shingouz: I saw some other files on the ftp url you gave me |
| 03:15.02 | anakin_z | I see there are debs for sid |
| 03:15.05 | anakin_z | but not for testing |
| 03:15.05 | shingouz | jair_11: as many floppies as you will need to make. every *bin has to be on its own floppy |
| 03:15.12 | dedalus | does anyone use i8k |
| 03:15.18 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 03:15.20 | enerv | tunts tunts tunts http://dsl.hardtechno.info:20200/ |
| 03:15.22 | anakin_z | I tried the "all linux" binary installer but I just get forbidden errors |
| 03:15.23 | enerv | :D |
| 03:15.28 | shingouz | jair_11: which files were they? driver1.bin and so on? |
| 03:15.29 | swatikiss | loke_ well, for dhcpd - to serve as a dhcp server for the network here |
| 03:15.31 | dedalus | with a dell inspiron8600c |
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| 03:15.40 | jair_11 | shingouz: yes correct |
| 03:15.46 | FieldySnuts | my proxy doesn't allow such a random port, too bad |
| 03:15.53 | cafuego | enerv: Stop spamming |
| 03:15.59 | some_dude | the ASLA works with xmms |
| 03:15.59 | shingouz | jair_11: get them too and get a new floppy per image file |
| 03:16.03 | jair_11 | shingouz: I have so far 2 floppies rescue.bin and root.bin |
| 03:16.04 | enerv | its not spamming... |
| 03:16.08 | enerv | :P |
| 03:16.11 | cafuego | enerv: it bloody well is! |
| 03:16.11 | shingouz | jair_11: you need more.. |
| 03:16.14 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: he was doing it earlier he knows. |
| 03:16.17 | enerv | its for all like hardtechno :P |
| 03:16.20 | jair_11 | shingouz: ohhh ok |
| 03:16.21 | enerv | sorry |
| 03:16.28 | enerv | :~ |
| 03:16.28 | cafuego | enerv: This is #debian, not #noise. |
| 03:16.35 | enerv | hehehe sorry |
| 03:16.37 | some_dude | but i can't control the volume with xmms |
| 03:16.45 | FieldySnuts | enerv: look. if we wanted, we'd go to techno channels or something. we aren't in #shitty-music , this isn't even the netowkr for such things |
| 03:16.45 | some_dude | using asla plugin |
| 03:16.50 | jair_11 | shingouz: because in the floppies are the network drivers and all the other stuff to start the system? |
| 03:16.53 | enerv | sorry again... |
| 03:16.55 | enerv | :( |
| 03:16.56 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 03:16.57 | shingouz | jair_11: yes |
| 03:17.21 | jair_11 | I will do that then i will need to erase some couple of old floppies |
| 03:17.21 | shingouz | jair_11: the installer will prompt for them in due time |
| 03:17.28 | shingouz | :) |
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| 03:17.52 | jair_11 | but I remmember that when I was installing woody it just ask me for 2 I think. |
| 03:17.59 | jair_11 | shingouz: but it is ok |
| 03:18.00 | CyzarX | if [ "$var" == *.*.*.* ] ; then echo ip address is "$var" it seem that *.*.*.* wont work . my objective is to match any numeric number. what should i put for the wildcard? |
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| 03:18.06 | shingouz | jair_11: did you check out the linux-laptop website for specific instructions on your laptop already? |
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| 03:18.13 | some_dude | yea, using alsa it's LOUD |
| 03:18.23 | some_dude | and it does not work with opensound |
| 03:18.27 | jair_11 | shingouz: nop |
| 03:18.36 | jair_11 | linux-laptop.com |
| 03:18.43 | jair_11 | shingouz: that is the web url? |
| 03:18.47 | shingouz | jair_11: check it out before you begin installing on the laptop |
| 03:19.02 | jair_11 | shingouz: right now I will install on a old desktop |
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| 03:19.12 | shingouz | :) |
| 03:19.14 | hogballs | wb |
| 03:19.17 | jair_11 | I think I will be able to run fluxbox |
| 03:19.20 | KirbyMeister | Well I figured out what's wrong with Grub |
| 03:19.34 | jair_11 | shingouz: or what wm is very very lightweight |
| 03:19.39 | KirbyMeister | The BIOS is confusing it |
| 03:19.40 | shingouz | jair_11: that or a few other windowmanagers are small. xfce for one |
| 03:19.49 | End3r | Can someone help me get X working? I've just installed Debian for the first time. |
| 03:19.54 | jair_11 | ok |
| 03:19.56 | jair_11 | perfect |
| 03:19.59 | jair_11 | nice |
| 03:20.04 | cafuego | CyzarX: Well, '.*' is a regex meaning "everything". |
| 03:20.15 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok I will continue then creating the image floppies |
| 03:20.16 | some_dude | i had left out oos api, i think it's an oos emulator |
| 03:20.21 | shingouz | jair_11: have fun :p |
| 03:20.40 | dedalus | do you know something to use profiles of screen with different contrast |
| 03:20.42 | enerv | End3r, talk your problem |
| 03:21.08 | roo9 | does anyone know of a program that i can use to do arbitrary transforms to http requests? |
| 03:21.15 | some_dude | do i need to update my system.map |
| 03:21.22 | cafuego | roo9: Eh? ? |
| 03:21.23 | CyzarX | cafuego, when if [ "$var" == *.*.*.* ] should match something when $var has a numeric ip address,right ? |
| 03:21.30 | cafuego | CyzarX: No |
| 03:21.31 | End3r | enerv, it says I need to install or setup X and I don't know how to go about doing that. ^^ |
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| 03:21.48 | Tr0||_DX | is there a command to rebuild the gnome menu |
| 03:22.03 | some_dude | brb |
| 03:22.04 | enerv | End3r, try xf86cfg |
| 03:22.11 | kerframil | Tr0||_DX: kill -HUP `pidof gnome-panel` |
| 03:22.19 | Tr0||_DX | ? |
| 03:22.25 | CyzarX | cafuego, why not? |
| 03:22.28 | roo9 | cafuego: if i use my internal name servers to redirect a certian webpage to my own computer, i would like to be able to change things on that page and then pass it back to the user in a transparant way. |
| 03:22.41 | Tr0||_DX | that doesnt seem like a good idea |
| 03:22.45 | kerframil | Tr0||_DX: that restarts the gnome-panel, causing the menu to be refreshed |
| 03:22.47 | Tr0||_DX | to kill the fucking panel |
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| 03:22.51 | shingouz | End3r: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 03:22.52 | Tr0||_DX | ok thanks |
| 03:22.53 | kerframil | suit yourself then |
| 03:23.03 | cafuego | CyzarX: You in a shell script there? |
| 03:23.16 | CyzarX | cafuego, yes |
| 03:23.34 | KirbyMeister | man i hate my computer |
| 03:23.38 | jond3rd | CyzarX: try to use this pattern, "[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.*" |
| 03:23.57 | KirbyMeister | suddently, the BIOS has decided that it's not gonna give GRUB any addresses above 1024 |
| 03:24.10 | KirbyMeister | cylinders |
| 03:24.10 | Tr0||_DX | that worked thanks |
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| 03:24.14 | cafuego | ([0-9]\{1,3\}){3}\.[0-9]{1,3} |
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| 03:25.00 | cafuego | CyzarX: '*' doesn't work the way you think it does. You need to match a regexp, not just use * as wildcard, when '.*' has a special meaning anyway. |
| 03:25.15 | jair_11 | shingouz: I need to copy the kernelconfig file? |
| 03:25.22 | shingouz | jair_11: nope |
| 03:25.26 | jond3rd | CyzarX: you can try it with your /etc/hosts file, (i.e grep "[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.[0-9]\{1,3\}\.*" /etc/hosts) |
| 03:25.28 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 03:25.30 | jair_11 | cool |
| 03:25.33 | jair_11 | ; |
| 03:25.35 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 03:25.46 | kerframil | Tr0||_DX: gnome-vfs doesn't seem to deal with the "made a new category that wasn't there before" case |
| 03:25.46 | End3r | shingouz, 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed. |
| 03:25.47 | shingouz | jair_11: that is just so you know what exactly is in the installer kernel |
| 03:25.55 | CyzarX | cafuego, can i pm u for few questions? |
| 03:25.56 | shingouz | End3r: install it then |
| 03:26.04 | CyzarX | jond3rd, thanks ;) |
| 03:26.07 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok thank you |
| 03:26.09 | kerframil | Tr0||_DX: but if pkgs add items to an existing category then it should be OK (in principle) |
| 03:26.10 | Tr0||_DX | yeah kinda erase tham |
| 03:26.16 | cafuego | CyzarX: About regexes? That would bea waste of your time. |
| 03:26.29 | End3r | shingouz, good idea. ^^ |
| 03:26.31 | Tr0||_DX | well in principle but some got schited around |
| 03:26.39 | Tr0||_DX | shifted* |
| 03:26.43 | CyzarX | cafuego about ([0-9]\{1,3\}){3}\.[0-9]{1,3} |
| 03:26.50 | enerv | hehehe |
| 03:26.54 | kerframil | I had better results with the gamin/gnome-vfs combo |
| 03:27.06 | enerv | End3r, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:27.08 | kerframil | I understand that's coming in Hoary (?) for Ubuntu |
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| 03:27.30 | cafuego | CyzarX: The best advice I can give you is to use perl. |
| 03:27.33 | KirbyMeister | anyone have experience with Compaq Presario 5000 series? |
| 03:27.38 | kalila | I'm trying to sync a palm, when connecting, dmesg shows this: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1239 , why two dev entries? which one to choose? (Im using evolution) |
| 03:27.43 | Tr0||_DX | is there a way to get yast in debian |
| 03:27.50 | Tr0||_DX | kinda liked this tool in suse |
| 03:27.56 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: No. |
| 03:28.01 | Tr0||_DX | :( |
| 03:28.02 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: Done trolling? |
| 03:28.08 | Tr0||_DX | just asking |
| 03:28.40 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: why not just ask if you have problems with the computer? |
| 03:28.57 | KirbyMeister | I have problems |
| 03:29.06 | shingouz | and they are? |
| 03:29.07 | cafuego | Why would debian use a proprietary suse tool? |
| 03:29.15 | KirbyMeister | My BIOS decided that GRUB doesnt get hdb beyond 1024 cylinders |
| 03:29.19 | gravity | Tr0||_DX: Someone is porting it to Debian and could probably use the help if you'd like it to work in Debian |
| 03:29.21 | KirbyMeister | and now I cant boot |
| 03:29.31 | loke_ | anyone know about the "http://www.lysol.ws/idiot/" browser bomb and where i can find it? |
| 03:29.47 | Tr0||_DX | well i dunno a lot about linux programming |
| 03:29.57 | Tr0||_DX | i do know c++ tho |
| 03:30.07 | swatikiss | where is /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd in debian?? i am trying to tell my dhcpd server to serve on eth1... ? |
| 03:30.07 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: that is pretty normal i think. you should keep the /boot partition below 1024 cylinders if possible especially if the computer is a bit older |
| 03:30.12 | Tr0||_DX | but am more skilled in winapi :P |
| 03:30.14 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: that a laptop btw? |
| 03:30.17 | KirbyMeister | It's from 2000 |
| 03:30.19 | roo9 | is there a way to forward requests from apache to squid? |
| 03:30.21 | KirbyMeister | and It's a desktop |
| 03:30.24 | KirbyMeister | GRUB was working fine |
| 03:30.30 | KirbyMeister | For months |
| 03:30.41 | gravity | Tr0||_DX: Well maybe take a look at the code and see if it's written in a language you can work on. Perhaps ask the guy who's working on it for Debian how you could help |
| 03:31.06 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: i am not very proficient with grub so far :( |
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| 03:31.26 | enerv | kalila my palm i use ttyUSB0, but... its bugged, when not work i use ttyUSB1 |
| 03:31.26 | KirbyMeister | So I should move /boot to the first 1024? |
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| 03:31.39 | enerv | kalila, its normal |
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| 03:32.11 | some_dude | hi |
| 03:32.13 | some_dude | everyone |
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| 03:32.46 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: uhh... you should have partitioned the drive so that you have one partition under the magical 1024 cylinders and mount that as /boot. now that you have the system installed... welll.. is the bios up to the latest version? upgrading the bios might help too |
| 03:32.49 | anakin_z | Can anyone help me? I'm looking for a tool that will act as a remote logging server for syslog.... |
| 03:32.54 | some_dude | on the console, when i press tab to do tab completion, the whole screen blinks |
| 03:33.02 | hogballs | hey my sb audigy card dont work in debian! |
| 03:33.05 | loke_ | anakin_z maybe nagios |
| 03:33.06 | some_dude | VNC ? |
| 03:33.25 | abrotman | !audigy |
| 03:33.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, audigy is a fairly new series of soundcards from Creative, it is supposedly supported in the CVS version of the "emu10k1" drivers from opensource.creative.com, or http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9091&group_id=44773, or use ALSA. ask me about it. |
| 03:33.31 | shingouz | some_dude: you need to give the completion a few more hints |
| 03:33.31 | anakin_z | ah thanks |
| 03:33.38 | loke_ | anakin_z np |
| 03:33.48 | anakin_z | My sb audigy card works perfectly in debian with that driver |
| 03:33.51 | Tr0||_DX | ?? xterm not in debian by default |
| 03:33.55 | Tr0||_DX | thats weird |
| 03:33.58 | abrotman | oh god |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
| 03:34.03 | Tr0||_DX | even weirder than weird |
| 03:34.05 | abrotman | it's just not required |
| 03:34.35 | some_dude | well, can anyone tell me why my card is not working ? |
| 03:34.36 | abrotman | you don't need it to run X .. |
| 03:34.36 | gravity | Tr0||_DX: Debian doesn't require X, so why would xterm be there too? |
| 03:34.42 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
| 03:34.43 | some_dude | it was working, and now, not at all |
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| 03:34.50 | Tr0||_DX | cuz its a must have |
| 03:34.52 | abrotman | gravity: it's not even required by x-window-system-core |
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| 03:35.01 | abrotman | Tr0||_DX: no it's not |
| 03:35.02 | anakin_z | some_dude, rerun alsaconf as root |
| 03:35.04 | abrotman | lots of people don't use it |
| 03:35.10 | Tr0||_DX | well what do you use the lame gnome console |
| 03:35.17 | abrotman | i use xterm |
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| 03:35.21 | some_dude | my sound was working with xmms via alsa plugin, but it's broked |
| 03:35.23 | abrotman | that's a personal preference |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | some people use konsole |
| 03:35.34 | Tr0||_DX | ... |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | or kanji-term |
| 03:35.37 | Tr0||_DX | ... |
| 03:35.37 | some_dude | i went into the kernel and added OOS something |
| 03:35.47 | gravity | Tr0||_DX: I like the gnome console. There's also aterm, eterm, etc |
| 03:35.51 | gravity | terminal.app |
| 03:35.58 | Tr0||_DX | xterm is perfect |
| 03:36.00 | anakin_z | if you added OSS you probably dont have alsa anymore |
| 03:36.00 | abrotman | hence .. xterm isn't required for X |
| 03:36.08 | anakin_z | and therefore the emu10k1 probably wont work for you |
| 03:36.11 | abrotman | yay snow |
| 03:36.19 | gravity | xsnow! |
| 03:36.19 | shingouz | eugh snow |
| 03:36.31 | Tr0||_DX | someonbe know why am getting really poor performance with a i845gv |
| 03:36.38 | Tr0||_DX | the driver look weird |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | you;re on woody maybe? |
| 03:36.55 | Tr0||_DX | nop |
| 03:37.00 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: Coz it's Intel. |
| 03:37.02 | Tr0||_DX | sarge |
| 03:37.02 | hogballs | too bad you cant probe the sound card to automatically apt get the stuff to make it work |
| 03:37.07 | Tr0||_DX | ... |
| 03:37.07 | some_dude | anakin_z let me tell you what i did |
| 03:37.24 | abrotman | that too |
| 03:37.25 | anakin_z | I already know that you added OSS |
| 03:37.25 | Tr0||_DX | still better than sis |
| 03:37.29 | anakin_z | so remove OSS |
| 03:37.29 | michal_ | anyone here familiar with NJABL? seems like it causes all emails from dynamic addresses to be classified as spam... surely that makes no sense? |
| 03:37.32 | anakin_z | and use alsa |
| 03:37.34 | abrotman | Tr0||_DX: how poor is poor? |
| 03:37.41 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
| 03:37.47 | hogballs | debian sarge here running 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 03:38.09 | hogballs | im still tweaking stuff to work for me |
| 03:38.23 | Tr0||_DX | well i use to get 800 fps in a glxgears in suse 9.2 debian sarge only give me 375 its pathethic |
| 03:38.30 | some_dude | Device Drivers -> Sound -> i have almost everything under ASLA installed in the kernel |
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| 03:38.43 | hogballs | like yahoo chat voice support and my audigy card to work and a gui to auto mount my ntfs partitions |
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| 03:39.00 | shingouz | some_dude: run alsaconf as root has already been suggested at least once here |
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| 03:39.22 | Tr0||_DX | god your intel driver suck really bad |
| 03:39.36 | hogballs | i used to get that score for the last year or so |
| 03:39.42 | abrotman | Tr0||_DX: so fix it ? ... i only get about 1000 with 830 |
| 03:39.47 | hogballs | here is mine now spactactically |
| 03:39.51 | some_dude | i must have missed that |
| 03:39.55 | shingouz | Tr0||_DX: the same drivee as all the other distrors use afaik |
| 03:39.59 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: if you're after decent 3D you should be using a real video card. |
| 03:40.04 | abrotman | the intel cards suck anyways |
| 03:40.06 | Tr0||_DX | i know |
| 03:40.14 | Tr0||_DX | but i gotta do with this one for now |
| 03:40.25 | Trev_ | Anyone recommend a decent Opensource flash development tool for debian/sarge ?? |
| 03:40.33 | hogballs | 29772 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5954.400 FPS |
| 03:40.36 | cafuego | Just use it for 2D then. |
| 03:40.44 | Tr0||_DX | so do you know what could be causing this slow down |
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| 03:41.02 | abrotman | and my card anyways .. opengl is a joke .. shit polygons everywhere :) |
| 03:41.12 | abrotman | postal2 was a mess |
| 03:41.16 | zinx | abrotman: what card? |
| 03:41.17 | abrotman | though .. tuxracer is fine |
| 03:41.21 | cafuego | abrotman: brown polygons? |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | zinx: i830 i think |
| 03:41.24 | hogballs | i got 3 gigs left . what game should i get? |
| 03:41.24 | Tr0||_DX | ? |
| 03:41.28 | hogballs | et? |
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| 03:41.34 | abrotman | cafuego: just random cap |
| 03:41.36 | zinx | abrotman: ah.. sorry :x ATI fixed that in their latest drivers :/ |
| 03:41.36 | Tr0||_DX | i845gv here |
| 03:41.36 | cafuego | hogballs: frozen bubble and supertux |
| 03:41.38 | shingouz | hogballs: nethack ;) |
| 03:41.41 | Tr0||_DX | better than yours |
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| 03:41.45 | zinx | hogballs: definitely ET |
| 03:41.47 | hogballs | cool |
| 03:41.49 | Tr0||_DX | why does it doesnt run right |
| 03:41.50 | zu22 | i heard some have got Linux running on their ARM processors in Apple iPODs |
| 03:41.54 | abrotman | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 03:41.57 | abrotman | zinx: ^^ |
| 03:42.12 | cafuego | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36.2 [GeForce FX 5700] (rev a1) |
| 03:42.15 | shingouz | Tr0||_DX: not enough information to even begin answering your question |
| 03:42.18 | abrotman | zu22: ask the debian-arm mailin list |
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| 03:42.34 | zinx | abrotman: i think there was some bug in DRI that caused it |
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| 03:42.41 | Tr0||_DX | shouldnt debian be using the 1910 driver like other distro for intel |
| 03:42.48 | abrotman | zinx: i'm so surprised |
| 03:42.54 | Tr0||_DX | i only see the old sucky i810 driver |
| 03:42.55 | Hybridized_ | why is someones nick 'debian' is is that Ian, the creator or something? |
| 03:42.57 | hogballs | aww now i got depends problems |
| 03:42.58 | zinx | abrotman: hehe :) |
| 03:43.08 | hogballs | flood time |
| 03:43.09 | abrotman | Tr0||_DX: if yo don't like it .. use another distro |
| 03:43.13 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX: if debian is SO crap and doesn't want to work with your hardware, why don't you just go and use another distro? |
| 03:43.16 | shingouz | Tr0||_DX: dammit.... |
| 03:43.19 | zinx | abrotman: http://zinx.xmms.org/ati/vcct.tar.gz is a test for the issue, which exposed it in ATI's drivers |
| 03:43.24 | Tr0||_DX | ... |
| 03:43.29 | abrotman | zinx: oh .. not now! |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | zinx: remind me another time .. i'm way to tired to muck with it now :) |
| 03:43.47 | zinx | abrotman: ;) |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | se ... too tired |
| 03:43.52 | abrotman | see |
| 03:43.54 | Tr0||_DX | debian seem fine |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 03:44.01 | brycem | Has anyone here ever gotten Debian to run on a Cobalt RaQ3 i386 system? |
| 03:44.03 | Tr0||_DX | only this damn graphic card slow down |
| 03:44.14 | some_dude | it says it can't find my sound card |
| 03:44.15 | shingouz | brycem: should be doable |
| 03:44.18 | zu22 | abrotman: k |
| 03:44.20 | hogballs | i tried to apt-get supertux but i had to dump over at #flood . can someone check it out with me? |
| 03:44.24 | some_dude | hey |
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| 03:44.31 | some_dude | sorry, i got lost |
| 03:44.51 | dEa | how i can check my debian version |
| 03:45.00 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: did I flood? |
| 03:45.04 | shingouz | hogballs: apt-get update && apt-get install (whatever you tried t oinstall) |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: no |
| 03:45.19 | Tr0||_DX | you talk too much |
| 03:45.25 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
| 03:45.30 | abrotman | dEa: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:45.43 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you got anything in there about ... say .. bacon? |
| 03:45.55 | hogballs | shingouz im sorry i forgot to type in install into the chat. i did it right and have dump waiting over at flood channel |
| 03:46.04 | shingouz | sgeigerbot: like a l337-filter? ;) |
| 03:46.05 | abrotman | #flood doesn't wait |
| 03:46.13 | dEa | tnax abrot.. |
| 03:46.17 | abrotman | shingouz: more like lame-filter :) |
| 03:46.26 | abrotman | dEa: that's just one way |
| 03:46.26 | brycem | shingouz - I understand that they've implemented a bunch of hurdles to make this as complex as possible (like running Linux on an XBox - can be done, but only if you really hate free time) |
| 03:46.34 | dEa | why version 3.0 dont have better php :( |
| 03:46.38 | abrotman | !freetime |
| 03:46.41 | abrotman | !free time |
| 03:46.41 | dpkg | `apt-get install enigma` will solve that |
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| 03:46.55 | abrotman | dEa: because it's debian/stable |
| 03:46.58 | shingouz | brycem: how new/old is the computer in question in the first place? |
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| 03:47.11 | abrotman | shingouz: raq been dead like .. 5 years i think :) |
| 03:47.19 | shingouz | hogballs: apt-get update && apt-get install supertux |
| 03:47.22 | KirbyMeister | how big should I make a /boot partition? |
| 03:47.25 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: How is this: You are so ugly your mom had to wrap bacon around your neck just so the dog would play with you. |
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| 03:47.38 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: my dog loved me |
| 03:47.40 | dEa | abotman: if i make that unstable.. do that come then unsecure ? |
| 03:47.43 | hogballs | shingouz do both? |
| 03:47.45 | abrotman | err dogs |
| 03:47.50 | abrotman | dEa: my nick is abrotman |
| 03:47.55 | shingouz | hogballs: yes |
| 03:48.01 | KirbyMeister | there's a reason why unstable is permenantly codenamed 'sid' |
| 03:48.04 | abrotman | dEa: kind of .. |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | !sid |
| 03:48.12 | dpkg | well, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 03:48.25 | KirbyMeister | exactly |
| 03:48.32 | shingouz | brycem: you have googled for the install i guess, did you find some bad things while doing the google? |
| 03:48.33 | SilentBob | What can I use to show the wifi traffic in my area... |
| 03:48.33 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: it tells you why |
| 03:48.35 | hogballs | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:48.35 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ..so, the bacon works? |
| 03:48.40 | SilentBob | Like if I have 10 waps all within my reach |
| 03:48.44 | abrotman | bacon! |
| 03:48.46 | SilentBob | Show the ssids, and signal strengths. |
| 03:48.52 | KirbyMeister | now how big should I make a /boot partition? |
| 03:48.56 | dEa | abrotman i want install php5 |
| 03:49.02 | hogballs | what now? |
| 03:49.06 | maher | KirbyMeister: 20meg |
| 03:49.06 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 03:49.10 | KirbyMeister | okay |
| 03:49.16 | abrotman | dEa: it's not in sid/unstable either |
| 03:49.24 | gravity | php5 is still in queue/NEW I believe |
| 03:49.29 | brycem | shingouz - the machine is an aging 1u Cobalt system: http://www.sun.com/hardware/serverappliances/pdfs/discontinued/manual.raq3.pdf |
| 03:49.31 | some_dude | i just want to be clear, i have a cmedia 3873 so the only driver i need in my kernel is the cmedia 3873, yes? |
| 03:49.32 | abrotman | gravity: are yo usure? |
| 03:49.40 | abrotman | !info php5 experimental |
| 03:49.44 | gravity | abrotman: Let me double check |
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| 03:49.58 | dEa | i need somethink better than PHP Version 4.1.2 |
| 03:50.03 | jair_11 | shingouz: I need the kernel .bin |
| 03:50.04 | jair_11 | too |
| 03:50.04 | abrotman | brycem: speed of the cpu |
| 03:50.15 | shingouz | brycem: that sounds like an interesting project in anycase |
| 03:50.25 | shingouz | jair_11: nope, not the kernel.bin |
| 03:50.29 | jair_11 | shingouz: it is asking me for that when I insert the rescue floppie and then I insert the root |
| 03:50.34 | abrotman | g4lt had an interesting project a few months ago |
| 03:50.39 | jair_11 | yes it is not letting me boot |
| 03:50.42 | shingouz | jair_11: huh? |
| 03:50.47 | abrotman | jair_11: that is the root.bin |
| 03:50.47 | jair_11 | shingouz: rihgt |
| 03:50.50 | some_dude | the alsaconfig is not finding a card |
| 03:50.57 | jair_11 | root |
| 03:50.58 | jair_11 | bit |
| 03:51.01 | abrotman | bin |
| 03:51.02 | sgeigerbot | Is there a way to use a *single* computer to route traffic to itself so that one can test firewall rules and play with other nifty networking options? (without having to resort to virtual machines) |
| 03:51.02 | jair_11 | root.bin |
| 03:51.05 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 03:51.05 | brycem | 500mhz CPU, with a decent sized ATA drive |
| 03:51.17 | jair_11 | root.bin |
| 03:51.21 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: sure .. give it an aliased ip |
| 03:51.21 | shingouz | jair_11: rescue in, hit the power and let it crunch. you will get to a boot prompt, type linx and hit enter |
| 03:51.36 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 03:51.40 | dEa | !info php4.3 |
| 03:51.40 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: the problem is making your test use that aliased nic |
| 03:51.40 | jair_11 | I will do it now |
| 03:51.40 | sgeigerbot | I was thinking that adding a virtual interface would help...but there's the issue of routing the traffic.) |
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| 03:51.43 | jair_11 | ok |
| 03:51.44 | shingouz | jair_11: it crunches a bit more and asks you to insert the root floppy, do so and hit enter |
| 03:51.44 | some_dude | my sound is not as a module, i put it in the kernel |
| 03:51.48 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: right. |
| 03:51.50 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, php5 is waiting in queue/NEW. Has been there for 1 week now |
| 03:51.58 | hogballs | how come i cant install supertux |
| 03:51.58 | abrotman | gravity: why on hold? |
| 03:51.59 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ...and how can I accomplish that? |
| 03:52.00 | Tr0||_DX | sorry for the stupid answer but use to xorg where are the god damn xfree config doesnt seem to be in /etc/X11 |
| 03:52.02 | dEa | !info php4.3.10 sid |
| 03:52.10 | gravity | abrotman: The whole queue is backlogged right now |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | !info php4 sid |
| 03:52.11 | shingouz | some_dude: you might have screwd up there. do them as modules and everyone will be happy |
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| 03:52.16 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 03:52.18 | abrotman | gravity: yay |
| 03:52.30 | abrotman | !info php4 sarge |
| 03:52.34 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 03:52.42 | Tr0||_DX | !info xfree86 config |
| 03:52.43 | dEa | abrotman: how i can isntall this :) |
| 03:52.44 | shingouz | hogballs: did you do as i told you to do? |
| 03:52.53 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ANSWER MY QUESTION! OBEY MY AUTHORITAY! |
| 03:52.54 | dEa | this can be great for me |
| 03:52.57 | abrotman | dEa: you probably don't want to |
| 03:53.02 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: eat piggy! |
| 03:53.03 | hogballs | shingouz yes idid |
| 03:53.03 | Tr0||_DX | !info xfree86.conf |
| 03:53.12 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 03:53.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: not even close |
| 03:53.13 | Tr0||_DX | indeed |
| 03:53.18 | hogballs | shingouz, same thing |
| 03:53.20 | Tr0||_DX | thinking same |
| 03:53.20 | shingouz | hogballs: and what happened? keep me guessing, i am psychic |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i'm like 5'8" and 150-160 |
| 03:53.35 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Re: "not even close"> Be more specific. |
| 03:53.37 | dEa | abrotman: yes i want.. |
| 03:53.39 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ok. |
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| 03:53.44 | shingouz | hogballs: in that case how about installing the things apt complains of? just as a wild guess? |
| 03:53.46 | abrotman | !tell dEa about woody->sarge |
| 03:53.49 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i look normal |
| 03:53.51 | hogballs | shingouz, its still asking for the depencencys but says its >= to |
| 03:53.52 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: ...so you're also not 8 years old, I assume. ;-) |
| 03:53.55 | RememberPOL | hi |
| 03:54.00 | RememberPOL | how can I get a custom *.ttf to show up in xlsfonts? |
| 03:54.07 | hogballs | shingouz, and it says it wont install |
| 03:54.08 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i'd be shopping in the husky section |
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| 03:54.28 | hogballs | shingouz, can you go over to the #flood room and look at what happened? |
| 03:54.38 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:54.39 | dpkg | well, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 03:54.39 | shingouz | hogballs: i *am* in flood |
| 03:54.47 | abrotman | shingouz: look at me!!! |
| 03:54.49 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: anyway, back to the networking question: Do you know how to route those packets? |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | shingouz: oh .. shiny stuff!!! |
| 03:54.53 | shingouz | abrotman: yes? |
| 03:54.59 | dEa | abrotman: what i must put in souces.list ? |
| 03:55.03 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: i personally do not |
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| 03:55.08 | abrotman | !tell dEa about woody->sarge |
| 03:55.21 | cafuego | Arrgh. Red tape from hell. |
| 03:55.24 | abrotman | dEa: it tells you exactly how to do it |
| 03:55.26 | cafuego | !lart bob2 |
| 03:55.56 | brynjarh | Hey, could anyone help me, I need to understand why the freedom to share software is important (freedom 2), what benefits does it have to society? It's for an assignment I'm doing. I ether need a link to some info on it or you could just explain it in basics.. but I need more info then "sharing is a basic freedom you should have", well that would be enough if there is nothing more to it though. |
| 03:56.00 | abrotman | cafuego: why all the red tape .. and what does bob2 have to do with it ? |
| 03:56.05 | dEa | abrotman: not to me.. but thnx anyway |
| 03:56.11 | abrotman | dEa: it's quite easy |
| 03:56.21 | abrotman | brynjarh: which freedom? |
| 03:56.29 | KirbyMeister | Freedom 2 is important because it allows you to help your neighbor without geting in trouble with the law |
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| 03:56.56 | abrotman | dEa: everywhere it says woody or stable .. make it say sarge |
| 03:57.02 | KirbyMeister | Most proprietary software licenses restrict or deny Freedom 2 |
| 03:57.17 | abrotman | cafuego: you're dutch ? |
| 03:57.20 | KirbyMeister | Thus when sharing with neighbors, they either refuse to share or violate their EULA |
| 03:57.21 | cafuego | abrotman: yah |
| 03:57.23 | dEa | aha thnax i will make it |
| 03:57.29 | jhutchins | Anybody good at troubleshooting filesystems? |
| 03:57.35 | abrotman | cafuego: wouldn't it be more fun to go home ? |
| 03:57.37 | KirbyMeister | brynjarh: that answer your question? |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | cafuego: and normally .. when your visa expires .. you have to leave . what's up with that? |
| 03:57.54 | cafuego | abrotman: To holland? Without my wife? |
| 03:57.56 | RememberPOL | brynjarh: it allows anyone who receives the software to update/ enhance/ develop the software |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | cafuego: sell her! |
| 03:58.09 | KirbyMeister | RememberPOL: No that's Freedoms 1 and 3. |
| 03:58.16 | cafuego | abrotman: no, no. i am a permanent resident, the visa is for re-entry after travel. |
| 03:58.21 | abrotman | wtf is freedom 1,2,3,4 ? |
| 03:58.27 | brynjarh | KirbyMeister: yea, that points me in the right direction at least. :) |
| 03:58.33 | abrotman | cafuego: uhm .. ok .. that sounds weird :) |
| 03:58.36 | KirbyMeister | abrotman: 'tis the free software definition |
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| 03:58.44 | KirbyMeister | abrotman: And it's numbered from 0 |
| 03:58.48 | cafuego | abrotman: There's a thing in my passport that's valid for 5 years at a time |
| 03:58.53 | KirbyMeister | Brief explanations of the freedoms: |
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| 03:59.08 | moonlite_ | greets |
| 03:59.10 | abrotman | cafuego: if you're a citizen .. why do you need a permit to get back in ? |
| 03:59.17 | cafuego | abrotman: it expires in june, but there's a 6 month thingie on it, which means I'll need a new one NOW |
| 03:59.24 | cafuego | abrotman: resident != citizen |
| 03:59.31 | KirbyMeister | 0: Use for any purpouse, 1: Ability to see source, 2: Ability to give copies, 3: Ability to publish modified versions |
| 03:59.37 | moonlite_ | what a good kernel to use with a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ ? kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 should work yeh? |
| 03:59.37 | abrotman | cafuego: oh .. nice laws :) |
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| 03:59.45 | cafuego | abrotman: I'm a resident of australia, but a citizen of the netherlands. |
| 03:59.47 | abrotman | moonlite_: yes |
| 04:00.02 | moonlite_ | abrotman cool, my machine seems to crash immediatly after the kernel starts to load on 2.6 |
| 04:00.03 | abrotman | cafuego: gotcha .. like having a green card in .us eh |
| 04:00.12 | cafuego | abrotman: ... the printer is STILL working on form 1085 |
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| 04:00.28 | KirbyMeister | moonlite_: in theory, yes |
| 04:00.30 | cafuego | abrotman: yeah, except I have free medical coverage too. |
| 04:00.36 | abrotman | moonlite_: more specifics would be good |
| 04:00.41 | KirbyMeister | moonlite_: How ever I lack the sexy AMD64. |
| 04:00.45 | abrotman | cafuego: from netherlands ? |
| 04:00.49 | moonlite_ | :) |
| 04:01.00 | dEa | abrotman: thanx |
| 04:01.05 | cafuego | abrotman: No, in .au (there's this neet treaty bewteen .au and .nl which means I get cover) |
| 04:01.05 | dEa | i think i made it ;) |
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| 04:01.21 | abrotman | cafuego: yay |
| 04:01.35 | mathieu | how do i send mail without pressing cntrl d using the unix mail program ? |
| 04:01.40 | KirbyMeister | So everybody up to date on the Four Freedoms? |
| 04:01.55 | cafuego | mathieu: mail -s subject user@domain.com < message.txt |
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| 04:02.00 | dEa | abrotman do i have now sarge installed ? |
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| 04:02.06 | yaarg | is it possible to change the point where gnome apps start 'doubling up' on top of each other in the panel? |
| 04:02.08 | yaarg | seems to default to 44pixels? |
| 04:02.21 | abrotman | dEa: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 04:02.27 | abrotman | dEa: and run for cover |
| 04:02.40 | dEa | yeah its running but i mean when its end |
| 04:02.43 | KirbyMeister | should I have a /boot as a reiserfs or just an ext2 since it's tiny |
| 04:03.26 | mathieu | cafuego: thank you |
| 04:03.26 | KirbyMeister | yaarg: You can turn it off, set it to auto-double, or set it to double-up all the time |
| 04:03.26 | KirbyMeister | I personally have it double-up all the time |
| 04:03.26 | dEa | abrotman: then i have newer version of deabian? |
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| 04:03.28 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: make it ext2 just to save space |
| 04:03.35 | KirbyMeister | I was going to do that |
| 04:03.35 | yaarg | KirbyMeister: yes that sounds nicer... |
| 04:03.36 | cafuego | mathieu: Be careful using that in for() loops :-) |
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| 04:03.45 | yaarg | KirbyMeister: is that an option in gconf-editor some where? |
| 04:03.48 | project9 | is any one setup domain with dyndns |
| 04:03.51 | abrotman | dEa: yeah .. if it works |
| 04:03.55 | KirbyMeister | yaarg: I dont know |
| 04:03.57 | Kerr | !windows |
| 04:03.58 | dpkg | i heard windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 04:04.00 | abrotman | dEa: and security holes to go with it :) |
| 04:04.07 | KirbyMeister | yaarg: I dont have GNOME running right now |
| 04:04.20 | KirbyMeister | yaarg: I'm on a live cd fixing up a botched GRUB and BIOS combo |
| 04:04.21 | yaarg | KirbyMeister: okay |
| 04:04.34 | abrotman | i think my contacts decided to completely rotate ... |
| 04:04.37 | lakcaj | Hi. Is it possible to add an html directory to my sources.list file? For example, here is a link to debs for gnomebaker, but I don't know how to add this site to my sources.list file: |
| 04:04.40 | lakcaj | http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/debian/sarge/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ |
| 04:04.45 | abrotman | well .. 180 degrees |
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| 04:05.43 | abrotman | deb http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/debian/sarge/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ ./ |
| 04:05.47 | abrotman | i think |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | wtf is gnomebaker? |
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| 04:06.08 | jim | I find myself needing an appointment reminder/calendar app that can stay on the screen to show me what's up with my time... what are some good ones? |
| 04:06.20 | shingouz | an automated toaster? |
| 04:06.21 | abrotman | on your screen? ... |
| 04:06.33 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm thinking a gnome cd burning app |
| 04:06.41 | jim | maybe email reminders too |
| 04:06.48 | abrotman | http://www.biddell.co.uk/gnomebake |
| 04:06.53 | gravity | abrotman: It is a CD burning app. It's not really ready for primetime |
| 04:06.55 | jair_11 | shingouz: and abrotman I am inserting the floppie disk rescue and it try to boot but then I get a message telling me that the "unknow keyword in syslinux.cfg" |
| 04:07.07 | jair_11 | then it have the boot: prompt |
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| 04:07.17 | jair_11 | I shuld continue and type linux |
| 04:07.17 | gravity | Or at least it wasn't a few months ago |
| 04:07.30 | abrotman | lakcaj: what's wrong with nautilus ? |
| 04:07.32 | shingouz | jair_11: type "linux" there then and see if it works |
| 04:07.42 | abrotman | jair_11: i've never seen that |
| 04:07.47 | cafuego | jim: I like evolution. KDe has a built-in one. |
| 04:07.51 | shingouz | jair_11: without the quotes of course |
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| 04:08.01 | abrotman | and i've done dozens of froppy installs |
| 04:08.06 | jim | http://www.biddell.co.uk/gnomebake : Sorry, there has been a page error |
| 04:08.34 | jim | cafuego: you're saying kde has evolution built in? or another time app? |
| 04:08.45 | jair_11 | shingouz: and abrotman guys the message I am getting is: "could not find kernel image : linux" |
| 04:08.47 | abrotman | jim: came up for me |
| 04:08.57 | cafuego | jim: another calendar app |
| 04:09.00 | shingouz | jair_11: hmm... |
| 04:09.02 | disasm | jair_11: lilo or grub? |
| 04:09.03 | jair_11 | that is the weird error I should create the floppy again |
| 04:09.08 | abrotman | jair_11: the best thing i can say is to try another flopppy |
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| 04:09.10 | jim | abrotman: repost url pls :) |
| 04:09.12 | jair_11 | disasm: I don't know |
| 04:09.20 | shingouz | jair_11: lemme see what the link actually links too. brb |
| 04:09.27 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 04:09.30 | abrotman | http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:09.36 | abrotman | is the official |
| 04:09.41 | jair_11 | abrotman: what is that? |
| 04:09.51 | abrotman | jair_11: not for you :) |
| 04:09.54 | jim | therewego |
| 04:09.57 | jair_11 | abrotman: ok |
| 04:10.00 | jair_11 | :( |
| 04:10.03 | KirbyMeister | now I just have to reinstall GRUB and I should be good to go |
| 04:10.09 | abrotman | jair_11: grab another floppy and try it |
| 04:10.18 | jim | oh, a burner app... does it forward to cdrecord like xcdroast does? |
| 04:10.23 | abrotman | jair_11: floppy disks and drives are fragile like your moms china :) |
| 04:10.44 | abrotman | maybe more so |
| 04:11.10 | shingouz | jair_11: ummm.... i am not quite sure what you have downloaded as a matter of fact. how many disks do you have there? |
| 04:11.39 | shingouz | jair_11: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44 |
| 04:11.45 | disasm | jim: i like what sunbird is doing, it's not quite there yet, but it looks really promising. I also love the ability to host my calendar on a webdav server, so I can read/modify my calendar while I'm at work, or on a computer in the lab |
| 04:12.02 | shingouz | jair_11: and from there all the bins. slap them on the floppies and you shoudl be fine |
| 04:12.04 | abrotman | hula!! |
| 04:12.29 | jim | damn, evolution is HUGE... 39 mb for everything?! |
| 04:12.48 | abrotman | yep |
| 04:12.55 | abrotman | it's a big 'un |
| 04:12.57 | zu22 | evolution is still smaller than MS Outlook :P |
| 04:13.09 | abrotman | barely |
| 04:13.13 | zu22 | heh |
| 04:13.27 | jim | can I split the client and server? |
| 04:13.36 | abrotman | of what? |
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| 04:13.38 | KirbyMeister | okay, I'm having trouble |
| 04:13.41 | jim | evolution |
| 04:13.46 | abrotman | the data-server? |
| 04:14.01 | KirbyMeister | I cant grub-install onto hda using hdb4 as root |
| 04:14.07 | jim | ok, so I haven't read up on this... but I do see a data server |
| 04:14.18 | abrotman | jim: just install the client .. it may need the data server ... |
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| 04:14.24 | kerframil | jim: it's listed as a direct dependency so I doubt it |
| 04:14.39 | jim | oic, hmm |
| 04:14.46 | jim | let's see if I have the space |
| 04:14.59 | abrotman | jim: apt-get clean .. rm -rf /var/log :) |
| 04:15.10 | jim | won't help |
| 04:15.18 | abrotman | while you're at it .. link /usr/share/doc to /dev/null |
| 04:15.25 | jim | my machine is organized like a server |
| 04:15.31 | Yale | I'm using an older version of mepis, and I can't get my internet to work properly, also on newer versions of KDE (on both mepis and SuSE 9) I don't get a cursor |
| 04:15.36 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 04:15.36 | dpkg | MEPIS is a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system. Uses KDE by default, and includes the nVidia proprietary 3D driver. It also includes a custom installer on the KDE desktop, with simple LILO configuration. See http://www.mepis.org. It is NOT real Debian, attempts to use apt-get with Debian mirrors will meet with a world of hurt. |
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| 04:15.58 | abrotman | and .. #kde |
| 04:16.10 | Yale | so.... no help? |
| 04:16.11 | abrotman | though .. i suspect it's really X |
| 04:16.16 | shingouz | Yale: correct |
| 04:16.17 | hogballs | shingouz, ok i did what you would do and nogo no dice nadda |
| 04:16.30 | abrotman | Yale: if you quit .. and come back .. and don't tell anyone you're using mepis . you might get away with it :) |
| 04:16.32 | KirbyMeister | okay, time to test the reconfiguration |
| 04:16.34 | KirbyMeister | here goes nothing! |
| 04:16.42 | *** part/#debian Yale (~askme@209.195.94.134) |
| 04:16.43 | abrotman | Yale: the easiest thing to do is install debian :) |
| 04:16.45 | jim | I do have a gig free on /usr :) |
| 04:16.47 | hogballs | shingouz, thank you for helping |
| 04:16.51 | shingouz | np |
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| 04:16.55 | elay | so.... |
| 04:16.57 | abrotman | hogballs: think you can pick a different nick? |
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| 04:17.16 | abrotman | elay: you're supposed to wait until we forget about you :) |
| 04:17.27 | jim | doesn't his nick mean he likes to hog all the balls? |
| 04:17.30 | elay | what ever do you mean? |
| 04:17.34 | jair_11 | shingouz: I donload the total of 6 .bin |
| 04:17.41 | abrotman | elay: give me some credit :) |
| 04:17.43 | hogballs | abrotman, youwaited all day until now to ask me that? |
| 04:17.45 | elay | lol |
| 04:17.48 | elay | I just need help |
| 04:17.53 | elay | I'm an XP user, pop my cherry |
| 04:17.54 | abrotman | hogballs: it's slow enough now in here to actually mention it :) |
| 04:18.06 | jair_11 | shingouz: the one that is telling me the error: "unknow keyword in syslinux.cfg" is the rescue.bin |
| 04:18.12 | abrotman | !d-i elay |
| 04:18.13 | dpkg | elay, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 04:18.30 | jim | elay: you -can- pop your own cherry and install debian or something yourself :) |
| 04:18.30 | abrotman | elay: do you know why your mouse doesn't work(if you want suse help .. there is #suse also) |
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| 04:18.43 | elay | I have 3 distros, nothing has worked |
| 04:18.50 | abrotman | elay: use mouse? |
| 04:18.54 | elay | 8 used cdrs later |
| 04:18.54 | shingouz | jair_11: open up the syslinux.cfg and see what the keyword might be, there could be a bug |
| 04:18.55 | abrotman | busmaster mouse!!! |
| 04:19.01 | Hushpuppies | is this better? |
| 04:19.05 | jim | elay: which three? |
| 04:19.06 | LordBrain | what package has ldconfig? |
| 04:19.06 | abrotman | marginally |
| 04:19.13 | abrotman | !tell LordBrain about search |
| 04:19.25 | elay | SuSE 9, mepis (from 2k3), mepis (from 2k4) |
| 04:19.37 | abrotman | bah |
| 04:19.41 | elay | what SHOULD I get |
| 04:19.42 | elay | and WHY |
| 04:19.44 | abrotman | how about scrapple ? |
| 04:19.52 | abrotman | elay: we will suggest debian .. we're fluent in it |
| 04:19.53 | elay | everyone is like 'yo, get this - yo get that' nothing works |
| 04:20.17 | elay | debian, is that a distro or a type of distro? |
| 04:20.17 | jim | elay: many distributions can pull themselves over your net connection after booting a floppy or three |
| 04:20.28 | shingouz | elay: you need to be a bit more specific on "what does not work". also if you ask us what to get we will answer debian |
| 04:20.35 | abrotman | elay: debian is a project .. |
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| 04:20.37 | shingouz | elay: www.debian.org |
| 04:20.46 | withdepends | hey room my sound card dont like debian for some reason... creative labs is junky all around the world |
| 04:20.47 | elay | single CD? |
| 04:20.51 | abrotman | elay: debian GNU/Linux is a distro |
| 04:20.56 | cycom | elay: what the hell do you mean by nothing works? |
| 04:20.58 | abrotman | elay: 110MB image |
| 04:20.59 | jim | elay: you don't actually need a cde |
| 04:21.13 | abrotman | drac: i already did |
| 04:21.15 | shingouz | he has been d-i's once already :) |
| 04:21.16 | drac | :) |
| 04:21.20 | jim | elay: what's your net connection? |
| 04:21.25 | sgeigerbot | Would this give real protection against buffer overflows? I wouldn't think so. Are there *real* advatages in using something like this? "Zorp is a new generation firewall. It is essentially a transparent proxy firewall, with strict protocol analyzing proxies, a modular architecture, and fine-grained control over the mediated traffic." |
| 04:21.26 | abrotman | !wb bob2 |
| 04:21.27 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! bob2 has returned! |
| 04:21.36 | zu22 | jaja |
| 04:21.39 | vivek | withdepends: what sort of o sound card do you have there ? |
| 04:21.40 | elay | I use a router, and DSL - ethernet |
| 04:21.47 | shingouz | d-i |
| 04:21.51 | withdepends | AUDIGY |
| 04:21.53 | abrotman | !room |
| 04:21.53 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 04:22.00 | jair_11 | shingouz: I can open it on the linux but not on the windows right |
| 04:22.01 | jim | elay: ok, so you get your ip off the router by dhcp? |
| 04:22.02 | sgeigerbot | !+audigy |
| 04:22.02 | dpkg | [audigy] a fairly new series of soundcards from Creative, it is supposedly supported in the CVS version of the "emu10k1" drivers from opensource.creative.com, or http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9091&group_id=44773, or use ALSA. ask me about it. |
| 04:22.11 | elay | no, I manually configure it |
| 04:22.15 | elay | both dns and ip |
| 04:22.18 | shingouz | jair_11: the rescue floppy is on fat, can do with doze |
| 04:22.32 | jim | ok, that goes for inside the router/ |
| 04:22.33 | jim | ? |
| 04:22.36 | abrotman | elay: but you know all your numbers and how to do it . so it's not a big deal ? |
| 04:22.37 | elay | still, all I get is my router |
| 04:22.46 | elay | both my router and mepis |
| 04:22.47 | jair_11 | ohhh |
| 04:22.48 | withdepends | is it possible to run my onboard nvidia soundstorm with my audigy? |
| 04:23.00 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 04:23.03 | jair_11 | shingouz: when i create the disk need to be create on dos |
| 04:23.07 | jair_11 | right |
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| 04:23.13 | jim | elay: so you're saying you dont' get out? |
| 04:23.15 | lakcaj | abrotman, late reply on my part.... but there is nothing wrong with nautilus. I would just like to try out something new, and learn how to properly add the repo to my sources.list file. |
| 04:23.17 | shingouz | jair_11: huh? |
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| 04:23.27 | abrotman | lakcaj: i like eroaster ... |
| 04:23.31 | abrotman | lakcaj: and i gave you a url |
| 04:23.33 | abrotman | to add |
| 04:23.36 | abrotman | that i think wil work |
| 04:23.37 | abrotman | will |
| 04:23.42 | jim | roly poly |
| 04:23.42 | elay | jim: are you making fun of me? :) I don't get anything from outside of my own network |
| 04:23.43 | abrotman | fuck my damn keyboard |
| 04:23.44 | jim | yum |
| 04:24.00 | abrotman | lakcaj: you got the url ? |
| 04:24.10 | Trev_ | I am looking for a list of supported webcams with Sarge 2.6.8-1-k7.. anyone link me ?? |
| 04:24.14 | jim | elay: no, not making fun. trying to figure out your situation |
| 04:24.23 | abrotman | jim: good .. i don't feel so bad :) |
| 04:24.27 | jim | I'm making fun of fishhead :) |
| 04:24.32 | shingouz | heh |
| 04:24.35 | elay | what is better about debian? |
| 04:24.40 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 04:24.40 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 04:24.44 | maher | elay: cool logo |
| 04:24.44 | jim | stabler |
| 04:24.46 | shingouz | debian rules :) |
| 04:24.55 | lakcaj | abrotman, http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/debian/sarge/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ |
| 04:24.56 | abrotman | logo? |
| 04:25.02 | jim | it's good if you like the idea of the packaging system |
| 04:25.10 | abrotman | deb http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/debian/sarge/gnomebaker/releases/i386/ ./ |
| 04:25.12 | jim | it's good if you like to write programs |
| 04:25.15 | shingouz | the swirl, abrotman. don't tell me you do not know the swirl ;) |
| 04:25.17 | abrotman | lakcaj: ^^ ,, i think |
| 04:25.28 | jim | lots of reasons |
| 04:25.28 | elay | I dont write programs |
| 04:25.29 | abrotman | shingouz: yeah . it's on a chinese restaurant near my office :) |
| 04:25.40 | shingouz | abrotman: they run debian too? |
| 04:25.48 | abrotman | shingouz: dunno .. never been there ... |
| 04:25.49 | lakcaj | abrotman, cool... thanks :) |
| 04:25.55 | shingouz | abrotman: :) |
| 04:26.04 | zu22 | does every DD get their own page on people.debian.org ? |
| 04:26.10 | jim | elay: what do you want linux for? |
| 04:26.16 | lawnchair | jim, you talkin behind my back? |
| 04:26.19 | lawnchair | cause i think yuo are |
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| 04:26.23 | gravity | zu22: Yes |
| 04:26.24 | abrotman | lakcaj: does it work ? |
| 04:26.31 | elay | jim: XP sucksssss is that enough :) |
| 04:26.32 | lakcaj | abrotman, just tried it... works great! |
| 04:26.36 | gravity | zu22: Well, you get space at least. Whether a DD will use it is up to them |
| 04:26.40 | jim | lawnchair: no, in front of your back :) |
| 04:26.42 | roo9 | in testing my hard drives with hdparm the slave drive on my chaing gets about 10x the speed of the master drive? any ideas? they are configured identically. |
| 04:26.47 | elay | I want to try new things, konsole for instance |
| 04:26.48 | lawnchair | jim, :((( |
| 04:26.58 | jair_11 | shingouz: I don't know what is happening |
| 04:27.01 | jim | sorry :) I don't mean any harm |
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| 04:27.09 | abrotman | shingouz: http://phoenix.lhup.edu/~abrotman/images/logo.jpg |
| 04:27.11 | jair_11 | shingouz: I can open the cfg file on linux? |
| 04:27.21 | jair_11 | I can do it with what application vi? |
| 04:27.22 | abrotman | shingouz: seem familiar ? |
| 04:27.29 | jair_11 | shingouz: I have it |
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| 04:27.30 | shingouz | jair_11: yes. but you can open it on doze too for that matter |
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| 04:27.35 | abrotman | dan2: http://phoenix.lhup.edu/~abrotman/images/logo.jpg |
| 04:27.37 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://phoenix.lhup.edu/~abrotman/images/logo.jpg |
| 04:27.37 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 04:27.47 | jair_11 | I will open it |
| 04:28.08 | zu22 | gravity: ah |
| 04:28.12 | arango | how to I change the time zone and wether my clock is set to GMT or not ? |
| 04:28.13 | abrotman | shingouz: you like that ? |
| 04:28.34 | shingouz | abrotman: my computer is a bit laggy at the moment. like myself |
| 04:28.40 | abrotman | jeez .. hurry up :) |
| 04:28.45 | shingouz | dammit :) |
| 04:28.55 | arango | and where are these settings stored ? |
| 04:29.06 | shingouz | i hope they will not get into flied lice for that :) |
| 04:29.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:29.57 | Lord-Cereburus | hey abrotman, hows it going? |
| 04:30.02 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: ok |
| 04:30.03 | shingouz | abrotman: you should pop in there and start some neat sales pitch on debian one of these days i think |
| 04:30.09 | elay | is woody-i386-1.iso the newest stable? |
| 04:30.10 | zu22 | abrotman: i also in PA |
| 04:30.13 | abrotman | shingouz: i don't speak chinese |
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| 04:30.18 | abrotman | zu22: i know .. you're going to cplug |
| 04:30.18 | jim | elay: mainly I want to let you know that it's possible to install debian starting out with like 2-4 floppies |
| 04:30.23 | abrotman | zu22: and you're in pittsburgh |
| 04:30.25 | Lord-Cereburus | get a translator hehe |
| 04:30.29 | shingouz | abrotman: hehehe... just speak perl, it sounds the same ;) |
| 04:30.35 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: and you're in jersey ? |
| 04:30.44 | Lord-Cereburus | montreal canada |
| 04:30.47 | abrotman | or was that ledzepplin? |
| 04:30.48 | Lord-Cereburus | but close ;) |
| 04:30.50 | shingouz | jair_11: try these: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 04:31.01 | zu22 | abrotman: ya how'd u know? :) |
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| 04:31.07 | elay | jim: do you happen to know if woody-i386-1.iso is what I'm looking for? |
| 04:31.07 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: some day im' gonna pick your brain about montreal |
| 04:31.11 | abrotman | zu22: i work for the nsa |
| 04:31.12 | zu22 | abrotman: ah you have a good memory heh |
| 04:31.15 | jair_11 | h|?~Jo?5IF3?n |
| 04:31.15 | jair_11 | &?????~N^36c~A?| ????^XX{~^~I?!BK?P;W??? TE?^C?F^F^W??~F~M?d^@?~I?~A??Vp|a~?~F^DD??V^Q^QA~HZ#H ?*x~SJP:???^]~W?g5~S^U?~O?w#??%f^L{~J?X~[H?~T^G~I~G?^H?)?I~S??~N~_o?#e8??&??,~\^E?c}?2^Ay^Wfp?^C??0????"~W1^@uTS~Vd~TUj?~A?4???i?KS|^^~Y^Z~R~ZG^P?d D^[~A??"?6b0?v^[^Q^];^CP~G~Y?2Mpc???$HkI^D?v^F[^P!#f??~UL?8?s `?=^Y?d?V?^_#?W~G?^T"~D^H???n-??? |
| 04:31.17 | jair_11 | ?u^K`"JtNJ??^Q??'6^T~\J~BiA?@^Sz^Q??????^^?m~Y>A?^A?x~Z?6^Q~\~^BW??^\^Q/^N?-7?Q?p?%|^M^GP??;?`?~D%?5?~U ???~Th~E???|Fip???^Cj| A?\^@?~Wv~RyEf^@@?~AS?Jo~O?L?~M^W~B 3?~P?O!^N?UT??,h?^[??=??~S!<?#^T~E~[?u~M?^H~Upy4~R4'?^C0P~LQ^H?VDT4^N?~V@|-~U?~V@?^U?~Hh+s~A?~M?A9?^GJe? ~\?T+??$*^H,??^G^E? |
| 04:31.18 | Lord-Cereburus | abrotman, i dont mind |
| 04:31.25 | jair_11 | `^]~W^N?&~Y???^M^A??^G?S??X?4Z?=^T?^[V~A?~@<^@?a^G????^[?L?^M?y^?{???e~H |
| 04:31.27 | jair_11 | ,B7??J?fu<![??^Kd~E^@/??3?^O^N~Wh |
| 04:31.29 | abrotman | Lord-Cereburus: not tonight though .. i'm way too tired |
| 04:31.29 | jair_11 | <?A?~N? ?~X~]~T?O?pD?Ze"?.?^O?l |
| 04:31.30 | Lord-Cereburus | O_o? |
| 04:31.31 | jair_11 | ?[?`~H??Tk?^V$??x??=6#^K^^~O^G~O| ?vC^O*!~O??I^]f]Z=?g^\?~[JF^@~x\^N~e??^FfXy??~H{??!?f^^a_^E?BFt?g$#^Xg??v???ca?| u?:??~_?~A"????~N\~C~D? ?i;?^S~R?'?f?| ~?^\?^_*?i~T??^^??zr~Y^?'~[??| 2?(?~X?^GX<x:^_?^V=??-^[~ES?Rr&,`???^H~GLL?~X#X~Y^G~T??~Yn,^@~UoGd2~[z^T^F4????~O^O~Cp ~GR~R=c?."?@^Z^D^N^[0^_b~[`?^T?~K~B*4Q^D~A%^E?^QDg?fBy?^C~U^\?????Y??^X?rg_^T |
| 04:31.32 | abrotman | jair_11: stop stop stop |
| 04:31.33 | jim | elay: you could use it but you don't need to download all that |
| 04:31.36 | jair_11 | ~M^\'$^Gg~H^Y??~\??}m~O~D3"~P??)h???H~J4W?J?N?^C~G{`J??^\;~U~^3????^Z| 5h[?~A??KaB~WN????t~J^Z??E^L) Z?Ui~Kc-]?a~Z?~_Z~OV^^|F?+#^\p~F?~VO?N??^E?z^Dew?8~^?~S?L?| ~S?K??j^D???^X?l ???<?c?^X?J??^S??=?^G2~Kd~E~]AX^R?^VCW?^MX<5~Fa?~]??6ce????)^A~_W?_u.???^VI~S^U^Lo^K??~Y~O:'O^@^O?i~V??^RF~ZY?^L>???^X q^?%~Y??8^Q+=>h~S-^R^T???^R~;S^[?????ld7~D~CB |
| 04:31.41 | gravity | !ops jair_11 flooding |
| 04:31.41 | jair_11 | ??^U(?oY\^R)u^A?~R?? |
| 04:31.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: jair_11 flooding |
| 04:31.45 | abrotman | !ops +q jair_11 |
| 04:31.45 | jair_11 | ok |
| 04:31.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: +q jair_11 |
| 04:31.47 | zu22 | kick that moron |
| 04:31.47 | jim | jair_11: stop that :P I'm working here :P |
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| 04:31.55 | KirbyMeister | Okay, Now I got the kernel to load, but now I get a kernel panic (init assassin) on startup |
| 04:31.58 | jair_11 | sorry |
| 04:32.02 | abrotman | jair_11: what the hell was that / |
| 04:32.02 | abrotman | ? |
| 04:32.04 | gravity | Ah /ignore. How I love thee |
| 04:32.08 | rixth | Is there any wat to froce apt-get to get packages from the net instead of from CD? |
| 04:32.10 | jair_11 | I send it as a prvate |
| 04:32.13 | KirbyMeister | Right before it, i get '/sbin/init: could not find /dev/console' |
| 04:32.14 | jair_11 | private sorry |
| 04:32.15 | rixth | way to force* |
| 04:32.19 | abrotman | jair_11: apparently not :) |
| 04:32.22 | Lord-Cereburus | lol |
| 04:32.23 | disasm | elay: if you have a high speed connection to the internet, you probably want a network install cd, see debian.org under network install |
| 04:32.26 | KirbyMeister | Then something tries to kill init |
| 04:32.29 | jair_11 | I try to use the msg |
| 04:32.31 | jair_11 | command |
| 04:32.35 | zu22 | jair_11: that was gibberish, how could that possibly be useful to anyone even in private? |
| 04:32.35 | jair_11 | I am really sorry |
| 04:32.36 | abrotman | !d-i elay |
| 04:32.36 | rixth | !tell apt-get |
| 04:32.37 | dpkg | elay, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:32.37 | KirbyMeister | Network install CD? Just boot off some floppies |
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| 04:32.41 | rixth | !tell apt |
| 04:32.46 | shingouz | jair_11: dont msg people on this channel |
| 04:32.48 | abrotman | jair_11: you can use a pasting site |
| 04:32.56 | jair_11 | ok |
| 04:32.57 | jair_11 | ok |
| 04:33.01 | abrotman | !paste |
| 04:33.02 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 04:33.06 | jair_11 | never again will happen |
| 04:33.09 | jair_11 | :( |
| 04:33.10 | shingouz | jair_11: in anycase that is not really editable. get other images :) |
| 04:33.12 | shingouz | jair_11: try these: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 04:33.13 | jair_11 | I am sorry |
| 04:33.16 | shingouz | like these |
| 04:33.18 | shingouz | :) |
| 04:33.19 | jair_11 | ok |
| 04:33.21 | KirbyMeister | Dont put him on stable |
| 04:33.23 | KirbyMeister | Stable sucks |
| 04:33.24 | jair_11 | yes |
| 04:33.30 | shingouz | umm... |
| 04:33.33 | KirbyMeister | Give him sarge, it's stable enough |
| 04:33.36 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: you didn't hear hte machine he's trying to do this on |
| 04:33.41 | KirbyMeister | oh |
| 04:33.41 | jair_11 | I think that something is wrong with the image I am downloading |
| 04:33.41 | rixth | Is there any way to force apt-get to get packages from the net instead of from CD? |
| 04:33.48 | KirbyMeister | nevermind |
| 04:33.56 | disasm | i haven't tried the new debian installer out yet, actually, i think all my machines but one were upgraded from potato |
| 04:33.57 | gravity | rixth: You can remove the CD's from your sources list using apt-setup |
| 04:34.06 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: it was like a P75 with 24MB |
| 04:34.14 | gravity | rixth: If the version on the net that you specify is newer than the one on the CD apt will choose the one on the net |
| 04:34.16 | rixth | gravity: but then I'd have to apt-get update again *sigh* |
| 04:34.19 | KirbyMeister | abrotman: aah |
| 04:34.21 | gravity | rixth: Or you can just download and dpkg -i |
| 04:34.23 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: the sarge installer does not work with such hardware. too little ram on the box |
| 04:34.25 | gravity | rixth: Poor baby |
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| 04:34.46 | KirbyMeister | jair_11: Ignore earlier comment, use the stable release as Sarge wont run on such an old box |
| 04:34.48 | rixth | gravity: My CD Tray won't open, so thats why I want to use the net? |
| 04:35.05 | rixth | Is there any command to force it to open? (It's been locked by an app I think) |
| 04:35.09 | jair_11 | KirbyMeister: so maybe that will be the problem |
| 04:35.15 | gravity | rixth: umount the CD |
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| 04:35.28 | rixth | Ah yes, but I can't. |
| 04:35.29 | anakin_z | rixth, lsof <device> |
| 04:35.38 | shingouz | jair_11: sec |
| 04:35.41 | zu22 | abrotman: your php3 test page works but i get error messages |
| 04:35.48 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 04:35.59 | KirbyMeister | Okay, now I'm trying to boot my system. I got GRUB re-installed, I load the kernel, initrd, and such and boot. |
| 04:36.00 | jair_11 | I have 24MB ram and 75MHz processor. |
| 04:36.13 | rixth | Whats the standard device for CD *cough* noob question |
| 04:36.14 | KirbyMeister | Problem is, the kernel panics after something trys to kill init |
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| 04:36.24 | rixth | jair_11: not much that has a GUI will run on that |
| 04:36.25 | KirbyMeister | rixth: CDs are usually normal IDE devices |
| 04:36.33 | rixth | Oh yes, hdc, I remember |
| 04:36.38 | jair_11 | I remember one time I install woody on the same machine I am trying to install sarge |
| 04:36.40 | shingouz | jair_11: here. sarge floppies for the older installer: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 04:36.43 | KirbyMeister | rixth: They usually are on the 2nd IDE controller |
| 04:36.46 | disasm | rixth: /dev/hdc probly |
| 04:36.48 | gravity | You could likely pull off a really bare bones X |
| 04:36.56 | jair_11 | shingouz: thank you very much |
| 04:37.00 | gravity | twm/fvwm/pwm/etc |
| 04:37.03 | jair_11 | I will save those files |
| 04:37.06 | shingouz | jair_11: get, write and try them out for size |
| 04:37.10 | rixth | The CD tray will still not open. It's done this before. And I had to restart tog et the CD out. |
| 04:37.18 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 04:37.33 | jair_11 | I will be able to install from the net with this floppies? |
| 04:37.37 | jair_11 | how many are? |
| 04:37.43 | gravity | rixth: Did lsof tell you what app is keeping you from unmounting your CD? |
| 04:37.44 | disasm | rixth: that means an app is using it, kill the app using it, then unmount |
| 04:37.47 | jair_11 | shingouz: probably 2? |
| 04:37.50 | shingouz | jair_11: just so you know, floppy installs can be a bitch from time to time, the floppies are not too reliable |
| 04:37.52 | Phated | rixth: You probably want to close whatever app it's using. Like xine or whatever. |
| 04:37.56 | KirbyMeister | The bare minimum is 2, although I would throw in net-drivers as well |
| 04:38.00 | rixth | gravity: no, it just went back to rith@debian: |
| 04:38.03 | shingouz | jair_11: huh? |
| 04:38.17 | rixth | No apps are using it, or none that I can see. |
| 04:38.17 | jair_11 | shingouz: I know that is why I never use them only cds and flash drives |
| 04:38.18 | KirbyMeister | Okay, I cannot boot my debian, even after fixing GRUB, the kernel panics |
| 04:38.19 | gravity | rixth: If you're in a shell in the CD drive too then go back to your home and try unmounting. You can't be in there in any shell |
| 04:38.34 | shingouz | jair_11: of course you get the stuff from the net as soon as you get the computer up into linux. you will get the network etc there |
| 04:38.42 | jair_11 | but this machine do not give options on the bios other than floppie and hd |
| 04:38.51 | rixth | I'm not in there. It's not even mounted. But it still won't eject. (I know the drive is fine) |
| 04:38.52 | jair_11 | ok |
| 04:39.06 | gravity | weird |
| 04:39.07 | mwilson | !can't boot from cd |
| 04:39.08 | dpkg | Can't boot from a CD? Use Smart BootManager. http://btmgr.sourceforge.net |
| 04:39.11 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: you sure you have the proper filesystems in the kernel? statically unless you use initrd |
| 04:39.43 | jair_11 | shingouz: so they are 4 floppies all the img files right |
| 04:39.43 | KirbyMeister | shingouz: GRUB is stored in an ext2 on /dev/hdb4, but the root is a reiserfs /dev/hdb2 |
| 04:39.55 | disasm | gotta love btmgr, saved my life a good number of times... |
| 04:39.57 | KirbyMeister | It kernel panics because init got killed |
| 04:39.59 | shingouz | jair_11: yes |
| 04:40.00 | dEa | i made apt.get update, upgrade, and then it shows 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 upgraded. how i can install those 35 packeds |
| 04:40.07 | rixth | And when I try to mount it. It doesn't do so mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 04:40.18 | disasm | KirbyMeister: is this a custom compiled kernel? |
| 04:40.23 | KirbyMeister | disasm: No |
| 04:40.23 | arango | how to I change the time zone and wether my clock is set to GMT or not ? |
| 04:40.24 | arango | and where are these settings stored ? |
| 04:40.35 | shingouz | KirbyMeister: i am not using grub at all for the moment, that means that i do not know too much about configuring grub. sorry |
| 04:40.42 | Phated | rixth: It is mounted. You can't write to a CD-rom anyway. |
| 04:40.47 | KirbyMeister | shingouz: It's not a GRUB problem |
| 04:41.07 | rixth | Phated: no, it isn't, there's nothing under /cdrom, nor an icon on my desktop |
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| 04:41.26 | jair_11 | shingouz: so this ones ends on .img |
| 04:41.29 | scarynetworkguy | rixth: What did you type to try to mount it? |
| 04:41.30 | KirbyMeister | shingouz: The last 2 lines the kernel gives me is the inability to find /dev/console, and something killing init |
| 04:41.37 | jair_11 | shingouz: the other ones on .bin |
| 04:41.39 | rixth | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 04:41.49 | jair_11 | I will be able to use the rawrite still? |
| 04:41.53 | disasm | KirbyMeister: what dev are you using? |
| 04:41.57 | dEa | i made apt.get update, upgrade, and then it shows 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 upgraded. how i can install those 35 packeds |
| 04:42.02 | shingouz | jair_11: the img files and rawrite |
| 04:42.05 | scarynetworkguy | rixth: And if you got mounting read-only from that then it is mounted. |
| 04:42.10 | KirbyMeister | disasm: I uninstalled udev |
| 04:42.14 | jair_11 | yes |
| 04:42.15 | jair_11 | ok |
| 04:42.20 | dEa | abrotman: still here ? |
| 04:42.23 | disasm | ok... now we're getting somewhere |
| 04:42.27 | scarynetworkguy | rixth: Unless you got other errors that you aren't telling us about. |
| 04:42.41 | rixth | umount: /dev/hdc: not mounted |
| 04:42.41 | disasm | your fstab probly has devfs looking lines |
| 04:42.55 | KirbyMeister | disasm: I'll check |
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| 04:43.12 | mike_ | what do I use to install .deb packages? |
| 04:43.13 | disasm | rixth: try the eject app, does it eject? |
| 04:43.23 | shingouz | mike_: dpkg |
| 04:43.25 | KirbyMeister | disasm: No devfs lines |
| 04:43.32 | mike_ | shingouz: thanks |
| 04:43.40 | rixth | disasm: waht is that cmmand? |
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| 04:43.49 | disasm | so it says /dev/hda lines, not some long thing |
| 04:43.52 | disasm | rixth: eject |
| 04:43.55 | KirbyMeister | disasm: The system worked fine until my BIOS bugged up and I had to move GRUB off to a closer partition |
| 04:44.11 | dEa | i made apt-get update, upgrade, and then it shows 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 upgraded. how i can install those 35 packeds |
| 04:44.12 | rixth | No, nothing. It doesn't error though. |
| 04:44.20 | rixth | It just goes back to a prompt |
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| 04:44.45 | jim | evolution is an email client? or what? |
| 04:44.49 | shingouz | dEa: it says upgrad*ED* |
| 04:44.49 | ignatius | yes |
| 04:45.05 | disasm | jim: yeah |
| 04:45.13 | rixth | umount: /media/cdrom0 is not mounted (according to mtab) |
| 04:45.25 | dEa | i made apt-get update, upgrade, and then it shows 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and not 35 upgraded. how i can install those 35 packeds |
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| 04:45.37 | shingouz | dEa: do not repeat |
| 04:45.39 | dEa | they are not upgradet |
| 04:45.42 | simonrvn | dEa: you don't. you wait |
| 04:45.44 | dEa | upgrated |
| 04:45.46 | dEa | sorry |
| 04:45.46 | hogballs | i got an association problem.. ive checked a box that said always use this for running this type of file.. i got another program i want as default now. |
| 04:45.47 | roo9 | dea apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:46.06 | disasm | dEa: do dist-upgrade first, if that doesn't work, can always try -f |
| 04:46.09 | hogballs | how do i clear the thing |
| 04:46.15 | jim | is it also a calendar app? |
| 04:46.16 | shingouz | roo9: that does not sound like the solution here |
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| 04:46.33 | KirbyMeister | disasm: There are no lines with filesystem 'devfs' |
| 04:46.42 | disasm | jim: i've never used it, never been big about apps that do 100 things |
| 04:46.48 | roo9 | shingouz: yeah, it is, upgrade holds back some packages, dist-upgrade upgrades all possible packages |
| 04:46.55 | hogballs | its xmms and music player |
| 04:47.01 | simonrvn | jim: it's too much in one big app |
| 04:47.14 | disasm | KirbyMeister: it's not going to say devfs it says somethings really long like /dev/lun0/something/something/something... |
| 04:47.18 | hogballs | i want xmms but i have to always manually paste the url |
| 04:47.21 | shingouz | roo9: that is true |
| 04:47.25 | jim | hmm... |
| 04:47.26 | KirbyMeister | disasm: nope, no lines like that either |
| 04:47.30 | dEa | thans for help.. all who help ;) |
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| 04:47.34 | hogballs | can someONE help me |
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| 04:47.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:47.44 | simonrvn | @ask |
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| 04:47.45 | ravenbird | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. It's a bit redundant and it makes some folks grumpy. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 04:47.49 | jim | is there anything working now well enough that's just a calendar? |
| 04:47.52 | disasm | KirbyMeister: can you boot a previous kernel? |
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| 04:48.03 | simonrvn | jim: good luck |
| 04:48.08 | disasm | jim: i really like sunbird, don't think it's in debian yet though |
| 04:48.09 | KirbyMeister | disasm: I have an old 2.4 that also kernel panics with the same error |
| 04:48.13 | gravity | jim: I doubt it. Sunbird isn't in debian yet |
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| 04:48.17 | simonrvn | disasm: it isn't |
| 04:48.28 | simonrvn | sunbird would be nice |
| 04:48.41 | jim | is sunbird pretty stable? |
| 04:48.41 | simonrvn | seems it can write to ldap... yummay =) |
| 04:48.42 | hogballs | sunbird is junk joking |
| 04:48.44 | KirbyMeister | jim: it's 0.2; cant vouch for it's stability |
| 04:48.47 | jim | I'd be perfectly willing to built the dam thing |
| 04:48.54 | simonrvn | eek. 0.2 |
| 04:48.54 | disasm | jim: yeah, i don't think the install is really difficult |
| 04:49.05 | jim | hmm, 0.2? imperfectly |
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| 04:49.24 | gravity | Nope, sunbird isn't even in queue/NEW yet |
| 04:49.28 | jair_11 | shingouz: I am so sorry for bothers you guys but now I am getting the message : " boot failed" |
| 04:49.32 | mbonica | Hello... |
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| 04:49.39 | jair_11 | what other things I can try on this old machine |
| 04:49.45 | mbonica | I need some help adding myself to my sudoers list. |
| 04:49.47 | simonrvn | did anyone ITP it even? |
| 04:49.57 | jair_11 | I am thinking on make it microwave hahahaha |
| 04:50.03 | disasm | jim: you can also add the mozilla calendar extension to firefox, but then you got it in a web browser instead of an e-mail client |
| 04:50.08 | shingouz | jair_11: what happened? and how did you get to the boot failed? |
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| 04:50.17 | KirbyMeister | disasm: You want my /etc/fstab? |
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| 04:50.48 | jetair | jim,xdkcal ,i use it |
| 04:50.49 | mbonica | Could anyone at least tell me what part of man sudo tells me how to do this? |
| 04:51.12 | disasm | no, it sounds like that's not the issue... |
| 04:51.18 | jim | ok, let me alter the requirements a bit and then see... |
| 04:51.34 | jim | what if I need it for appointments? |
| 04:51.52 | KirbyMeister | disasm: okay. |
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| 04:52.20 | disasm | KirbyMeister: you did all the steps here right? http://glasnost.beeznest.org/articles/186 |
| 04:52.30 | jim | I have a little calendar widget in the top menu bar of the screen |
| 04:52.52 | jim | so I have that already :) |
| 04:52.52 | shingouz | mbonica: man visudo has a bit more about the subject |
| 04:53.39 | jetair | okey:) |
| 04:53.43 | shingouz | mbonica: of course man sudoers is also useful |
| 04:53.47 | jair_11 | shingouz: I already download the files you gave me |
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| 04:53.50 | KirbyMeister | disasm: I installed a fresh sarge, then later on removed udev via the package manager |
| 04:54.12 | jair_11 | shingouz: and I use the "rawrite2" to make the images on the floppy |
| 04:54.34 | jair_11 | I put the boot.img disk and I get the "boot failed" message |
| 04:55.00 | disasm | KirbyMeister: you removed udev? i didn't think sarge came with udev initially |
| 04:55.07 | jair_11 | shingouz: I remember I did the installation with no problem booting from a woody 7cds that I have here |
| 04:55.10 | Maliuta | what dist is called sarge? is it unstable? |
| 04:55.14 | jair_11 | I shuld try those? |
| 04:55.17 | disasm | Maliuta: testing |
| 04:55.35 | jair_11 | shingouz: but if you told me try sarge is because is better maybe? |
| 04:55.43 | Maliuta | disasm: so unstable is sid? |
| 04:55.44 | KirbyMeister | disasm: Well I installed sarge 2 months go |
| 04:55.49 | disasm | Maliuta: yeah |
| 04:55.52 | Maliuta | kewl |
| 04:55.54 | jair_11 | shingouz: I know the one I have is woody 3.0 |
| 04:55.55 | KirbyMeister | Maliuta: Permenantly |
| 04:55.59 | jair_11 | shingouz: 7 cds |
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| 04:56.07 | karrot-x | does anyone have experience with making the tmpfs? |
| 04:56.15 | shingouz | jair_11: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 04:56.50 | shingouz | jair_11: those are the sarge install floppies and should work nicely |
| 04:57.08 | disasm | KirbyMeister: so what dev are you using currently? |
| 04:57.29 | KirbyMeister | disasm: Regular dev. |
| 04:57.38 | jair_11 | shingouz: they are giving me a message "boot failed" |
| 04:57.53 | shingouz | jair_11: what did you type at the prompt? |
| 04:57.54 | cafuego | !lart you |
| 04:57.54 | jair_11 | I am creating the floppy disk on a windows xp using dos |
| 04:57.58 | disasm | KirbyMeister: refresh me again, whats the error it kernel panics on? |
| 04:58.02 | cafuego | disasm: bitch |
| 04:58.06 | cafuego | arrgh |
| 04:58.09 | cafuego | dpkg: bitch |
| 04:58.09 | dpkg | you fool you're scaring away women. go read HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux at http://www.nmt.edu/~val/howto.html |
| 04:58.12 | jair_11 | shingouz: nothing the prompt do not even appear |
| 04:58.24 | disasm | cafuego: what? |
| 04:58.25 | KirbyMeister | disasm: First, it says '/sbin/init: Could not find /dev/console' then 'Kernel panic: something tried to kill init' |
| 04:58.28 | shingouz | did you even see the syslinux thingie? |
| 04:58.31 | cafuego | disasm: tab gone wrong |
| 04:58.36 | disasm | oh, i see now ;-) |
| 04:58.40 | hogballs | thningie |
| 04:59.00 | jair_11 | shingouz: all that happend is crunk and nothing else just the "boot failed" message |
| 04:59.07 | jair_11 | nope |
| 04:59.14 | jair_11 | no on the boot.img |
| 04:59.22 | KirbyMeister | yet there is a /dev/console on hdb2 |
| 04:59.38 | Overand | anyone off the top of their head know how to rotate an image in php? |
| 04:59.43 | shingouz | jair_11: i begin to suspect your drive unless the floppy itself is bad. use another floppy to extract the image on |
| 04:59.46 | cafuego | Overand: yep. via gd. |
| 04:59.47 | disasm | KirbyMeister: did you run makedev after removing udev? |
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| 04:59.59 | shingouz | floppy installs can be a bitch |
| 05:00.10 | jair_11 | ok |
| 05:00.11 | Overand | cafuego: k, thanks, i'll poke around. i've never done image manip. with it |
| 05:00.15 | jair_11 | ok |
| 05:00.18 | KirbyMeister | disasm: No, I just let the package manager take care of it. It worked. |
| 05:00.18 | disasm | Overand: i would take a stab, and say use imagemagick, but not off the top of my head |
| 05:00.18 | jair_11 | shingouz: ok |
| 05:00.21 | jair_11 | I will try |
| 05:00.29 | shingouz | jair_11: i hear you. three times :) |
| 05:00.30 | jim | shingouz: unless you have a supported and fast internet connection |
| 05:00.35 | cafuego | Overand: the API is really simple. See http://au.php.net/manual/en/function.imagerotate.php |
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| 05:00.50 | disasm | KirbyMeister: cause it sounds like /dev/console isn't there |
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| 05:01.05 | KirbyMeister | disasm: I checked, there's a psuedo-file /dev/console |
| 05:01.05 | shingouz | jim: just getting the box to boot can be a pain occasionally if the drive or floppies are even marginal |
| 05:01.11 | Overand | holy crap that *is* simple, thanks for the link cafuego |
| 05:01.58 | cafuego | Overand: For more advanced stuff: http://www.cafuego.net/i/geo.png.php ;-) |
| 05:01.59 | dEa | how i can check my phpversion with dpkg |
| 05:02.08 | hogballs | i cant figure it out even reading the apt-get manual |
| 05:02.19 | hogballs | shingouz, can you help me? |
| 05:02.20 | cafuego | dEa: dpkg -l php4 |
| 05:02.24 | shingouz | hogballs: no |
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| 05:02.53 | dEa | thanx cafu |
| 05:03.21 | hogballs | is there a channel for installing games? |
| 05:03.39 | Zylogue | anyone have a link for installing java and exlipse on debian? |
| 05:03.51 | cafuego | HAHAH! |
| 05:03.56 | jim | javadavadoo |
| 05:03.59 | shingouz | hogballs: you get unmet dependencies. install the deps. install the rest, should be simple |
| 05:04.08 | KirbyMeister | disasm: /dev/console exists, but for some reason the kernel cant find it |
| 05:04.14 | cafuego | From the referer log on my website: http://www.parishiltonphonesex.com/ |
| 05:04.25 | jetair | deb ftp://debian.ustc.edu.cn/debian-uo |
| 05:04.25 | jetair | sid marillat ustc java deb-src ftp://debian.ustc.edu.cn/debian-uo sid marillat |
| 05:04.26 | jetair | ustc java |
| 05:04.34 | hogballs | shingouz, the unmet dependencies dont install |
| 05:04.39 | jim | what's pari shilton? |
| 05:04.46 | shingouz | hogballs: and why is that? |
| 05:05.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: AHA! |
| 05:05.09 | disasm | whats your root line in your boot loader (lilo/grub) |
| 05:05.20 | hogballs | shingouz, apt-get replies that they wont install it like being a little bitch |
| 05:05.32 | KirbyMeister | disasm: (hd1,1) which is equivilant to hdb2 |
| 05:05.40 | hogballs | shingouz, you have already seen what it says |
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| 05:05.48 | shingouz | hogballs: what is the command you have been using |
| 05:05.48 | jetair | Zylogue,deb ftp://debian.ustc.edu.cn/debian-uo |
| 05:05.49 | jetair | sid marillat ustc java deb-src ftp://debian.ustc.edu.cn/debian-uo sid ustc java |
| 05:05.59 | hogballs | shingouz, why are you asking me over and over for what i had already done by your instructions |
| 05:06.00 | disasm | actually i meant your kernel line ;-) |
| 05:06.07 | shingouz | hogballs: no you have not |
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| 05:06.43 | hogballs | shingouz, apt-get install -f <missingdeps1atatime> enter |
| 05:06.45 | shingouz | hogballs: how fucking hard can it to be to read the error you get. if you get unmet dependencies try to install the deps one by one |
| 05:06.49 | disasm | KirbyMeister: actually i meant your kernel line ;-) |
| 05:07.03 | KirbyMeister | disasm: kernel=/vmlinuz |
| 05:07.14 | drac | hogballs: apt-get -f install <enter> |
| 05:07.14 | shingouz | hogballs: apt-get install <missing dep> |
| 05:07.18 | disasm | KirbyMeister: no root? |
| 05:07.25 | KirbyMeister | disasm: That's after the root line |
| 05:07.56 | cafuego | KirbyMeister: Does that symlink exist on hdb1? |
| 05:07.58 | disasm | KirbyMeister: this is mine: kernel=/debian-2.6.9 root=/dev/hda6 |
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| 05:08.18 | KirbyMeister | disasm: I should try booting with that |
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| 05:08.24 | KirbyMeister | cafuego: Yes the symlink exists |
| 05:08.33 | cafuego | KirbyMeister: Does its target exist too? |
| 05:08.34 | disasm | not hda6, whatever your / partition is though |
| 05:08.38 | KirbyMeister | cafuego: yes |
| 05:08.42 | KirbyMeister | disasm: I know, but thanks |
| 05:08.44 | Overand | ok |
| 05:09.15 | Overand | how about a straightforward command-line app i can use to rotate a jpg file? apparently the version of GD i'm using won't do an image rotate, it has to be compiled in, not used as a module. go figure |
| 05:09.28 | maher | Overand: convert |
| 05:09.43 | aw | i can't print from a debian machine to anotherone with cups. i already edited the Location in the cups config, and i can "see" the printer from the networked computer but nothing prints, no errors given... can someone help here? |
| 05:09.44 | cafuego | Overand: apt-get install imagemagick |
| 05:10.04 | cafuego | Overand: that's lies. install php4-gd, make sure it loads, should be fine. |
| 05:10.08 | KirbyMeister | Okay, I'm going to reboot and try the new kernel line |
| 05:10.58 | Overand | cafuego: it's loaded, it doesn't work |
| 05:11.08 | Overand | cafuego: imagerotate returns undefined |
| 05:11.11 | Overand | but imageload does not |
| 05:11.22 | shingouz | bah. caffeine or somesuch |
| 05:11.22 | Overand | er |
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| 05:11.26 | Overand | 'imagecreatefromjpeg' |
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| 05:11.37 | cafuego | weird. Which php? |
| 05:11.38 | ibe | any qmail users in here? |
| 05:11.40 | Overand | php 4.3.10 |
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| 05:12.15 | disasm | ibe: i've heard it's easy to setup, but I started with postfix a while ago and already learned the syntax for it so I never tried it. |
| 05:12.22 | jair_11 | shingouz: I think I will try with the old woody I have then I will let you know |
| 05:12.23 | jair_11 | ok |
| 05:12.42 | ibe | disasm i have installed it already and its working great |
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| 05:13.18 | hogballs | its looping me over and over saying when i force one to install its says depends on another and i install that one and it loops to the first one it asked me for which i already did that so now what the fudk |
| 05:13.19 | ibe | i recommend the qmailrocks isntall, i am just trying to find the global file for setting attachment limits |
| 05:13.26 | jair_11 | shingouz: it is not the floppy drive |
| 05:13.39 | hogballs | 10 hours later finally i got a solution? |
| 05:13.43 | jair_11 | shingouz: it is booting the win98se and the smooth wall floppies |
| 05:14.05 | jair_11 | shingouz: so maybe could be the application I am using to write the floppies |
| 05:14.17 | jair_11 | I will use the same one for the smoothwall floppies |
| 05:14.26 | jair_11 | to write the linux images |
| 05:14.42 | cafuego | Overand: Dammit, you're right. BUG! |
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| 05:15.15 | cafuego | Overand: (in the mean time, convert will do the trick) |
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| 05:15.50 | kirbymeister | IT WORKED! |
| 05:15.50 | Overand | 'convert' ? |
| 05:16.10 | irreverentrevere | I recently added a new promise controller and a hdd on it. With just the controller, i boot OK, with a hdd attached to the controller I get an error as the last line while attempting boot "hde: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveREady SeekComplete Error } hde: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } ide2 at 0x900-0x9007,0x9402 on irq 193 hde: max request size: 128KiB hde: 18446744073709551615 sectors (18446 |
| 05:16.13 | cafuego | Overand: *nod* it's a command-line tool from 'imagemagick' |
| 05:16.23 | Overand | ah |
| 05:16.33 | Overand | i just installed imagemagick, haven't touched it yet |
| 05:16.55 | jair_11 | shingouz: it is the boots images the other ones are working good |
| 05:17.03 | hogballs | welp i thought it would be nice to top off a 3d game before i goto bed but i guess its not happening... see ya all later |
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| 05:17.11 | jair_11 | how can i create the floppies from the woody 7 cds I have |
| 05:17.16 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 05:17.20 | jair_11 | I will check right |
| 05:17.21 | jair_11 | now |
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| 05:17.34 | irreverentrevere | any ideas? |
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| 05:18.04 | Overand | convert does it, thanks |
| 05:18.06 | cafuego | jair_11: With a team of 40 slaves and 2 years of your time... |
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| 05:19.50 | irreverentrevere | dang.. . i was hoping someone here could do i |
| 05:20.03 | irreverentrevere | ** could help with it |
| 05:20.32 | kirbymeister | my computer works! |
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| 05:21.30 | Lord-Phoenix | hey, where does debian put the kde directory? |
| 05:23.42 | drac | Lord-Phoenix: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 05:24.30 | jair_11 | cafuego: I can not create the floppies images from the cds? |
| 05:24.37 | jair_11 | of course I can |
| 05:25.01 | jair_11 | cafuego: I did that before and I do not remmember in what cds are the images |
| 05:25.36 | jair_11 | shingouz: in the woody collection I think on the cd 4 or I do not remmember which one have the floppie images? |
| 05:26.11 | jair_11 | anyone remmember in which of the 7 cds or rc2 3.0 woody is the floppie images to boot from the floppi? |
| 05:26.21 | jair_11 | floppy disks |
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| 05:27.14 | Kog | why are you running Woody? |
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| 05:28.12 | disasm | sleep time for me, night all |
| 05:28.18 | Kog | seeya |
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| 05:30.52 | jair_11 | shingouz: cafuego and shingouz http://www.pastebin.com/244380 |
| 05:30.58 | jair_11 | check this info site |
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| 05:31.38 | bluefox83 | are newly debianized packages sent to testing or unstable? |
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| 05:32.29 | soundprobs | hi |
| 05:32.34 | soundprobs | hehe |
| 05:33.01 | soundprobs | my games dont have sound but my music player works fine/? why |
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| 05:34.04 | soundprobs | synaptic package manager fixed my problem installing games |
| 05:34.13 | soundprobs | and the dependency problems |
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| 05:34.53 | soundprobs | what other games are 3d intensive i can get for debian |
| 05:35.10 | bluefox83 | doom3 |
| 05:35.21 | bluefox83 | but it's a biatch to try and compile :X |
| 05:35.41 | soundprobs | anything thru wine sucks onmy box |
| 05:35.41 | Kog | what, no bins? |
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| 05:36.26 | Kog | wow... SourceForge kills my deb firefox consistently |
| 05:36.28 | Kog | that's odd |
| 05:36.49 | bluefox83 | how the heck do i switch my sources.list entries over from testing to unstable? |
| 05:37.09 | Kog | probably by changing testing to unstable and then apt-get update |
| 05:37.16 | Penix | bluefox83: with an editor |
| 05:37.18 | Kog | dunno if that's the real way |
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| 05:37.29 | animall | then apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 05:37.29 | Kog | but that's how I did it heh |
| 05:37.52 | bluefox83 | what about apt-setup? |
| 05:37.56 | dEa | what name have debian 3.1 = |
| 05:37.57 | dEa | ? |
| 05:38.01 | dEa | sarge ? |
| 05:38.14 | Penix | dEa: yes. sarge is 3.1 |
| 05:38.17 | Kog | sarge |
| 05:38.19 | Kog | damn you Penix |
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| 05:38.28 | dEa | and sarge is newest stable ? |
| 05:38.39 | zeeble | not yet. |
| 05:38.39 | Penix | dEa: sarge is testing. woody is stable |
| 05:38.41 | Penix | dEa: sarge will become stable |
| 05:38.47 | bluefox83 | ...damn, i guess i need to download an dupgrade my debian.. |
| 05:39.02 | dEa | okey.. nice its more better than woody :) |
| 05:39.09 | bluefox83 | whats the latest release of debian? 3.2? |
| 05:39.15 | bluefox83 | more better? |
| 05:39.17 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 05:39.18 | zeeble | bluefox83: 3.0 |
| 05:39.31 | Penix | Checking debian.org is HARD! |
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| 05:39.33 | dEa | i think so |
| 05:39.35 | Kog | sid... we hardly knew you |
| 05:39.39 | animall | stable = 3.0; testing 3.1 |
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| 05:39.47 | bluefox83 | whats unstable?. |
| 05:39.55 | Kog | bluefox83: explosives |
| 05:39.56 | soundprobs | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 05:40.04 | zeeble | bluefox83: how do you think unstable will be released? |
| 05:40.04 | soundprobs | unstable is odd numbers |
| 05:40.08 | Penix | bluefox83: /msg dpkg unstable, /msg dpkg testing, blah blah |
| 05:40.09 | Xenguy | bluefoxicy: sid |
| 05:40.13 | soundprobs | stable is even |
| 05:40.24 | soundprobs | see mine? |
| 05:40.26 | soundprobs | stable! |
| 05:40.54 | bluefox83 | nevermind >.> |
| 05:41.14 | Kog | time to fix xfree86 |
| 05:41.26 | dEa | i just installed in sarge gnome, how i can start it ? |
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| 05:41.30 | soundprobs | Kog, haha |
| 05:41.32 | Kog | dEa: startx |
| 05:41.35 | jim | soundprobs: of kernel... not of debian |
| 05:41.44 | Kog | soundprobs: no no no, I need to add 1280x1024 to my resolution list |
| 05:41.54 | Kog | soundprobs: not really "fix" so much as improve my usage of |
| 05:41.57 | dEa | Kog: i dont want start X gnome |
| 05:42.10 | zeeble | dEa you want a GUI login? |
| 05:42.15 | dEa | yeah |
| 05:42.22 | zeeble | dEa: apt-get install gdm |
| 05:42.36 | Kog | zeeble: is XDM any good? |
| 05:42.58 | jim | sure, xdm is the basis for all the dms |
| 05:43.01 | zeeble | Kog: i prefer to remove xdm, gdm, kdm after installing :p all DMs are scary |
| 05:43.29 | zeeble | gdm looks better, apparently. |
| 05:43.55 | Kog | yeah, I just ran an init updater and told it to delink gdm |
| 05:44.09 | dEa | zeeble: done, how to start it |
| 05:44.12 | Kog | I: suppose I should have just used apt-get remove |
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| 05:44.55 | Kog | startx |
| 05:44.56 | zeeble | dEa: did'nt it already start? check console 7. Alt F7. if it has'nt started, try /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 05:45.44 | dEa | zeeble: nope it didnt start |
| 05:45.49 | Kog | zeeble: my problem is that you can't hop out to console with a DM |
| 05:46.02 | Kog | zeeble: and I HATE starting to a GUI :( |
| 05:46.05 | zeeble | Kog: err why not? |
| 05:46.12 | Kog | because GDM kicks me back in |
| 05:46.13 | dEa | and in /etc/init.d/gdm is not gdm |
| 05:46.14 | dEa | strange |
| 05:46.16 | zeeble | Kog: well, then remove the GUI login. |
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| 05:46.19 | Kog | I did |
| 05:46.27 | Kog | I'm responding to your "scary" comment |
| 05:46.32 | zeeble | weird. |
| 05:46.45 | octavious | do you just have to modify one of the init scripts to turn off the xdm by default? |
| 05:46.47 | zeeble | dEa: so did you install gdm? |
| 05:46.51 | Tr0||_DX | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.53 | Tr0||_DX | lmao |
| 05:47.02 | zeeble | octavious: update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 05:47.05 | dEa | zeeble yeah |
| 05:47.13 | octavious | zeeble: thanks :) |
| 05:47.26 | Kog | ok... gonna kill me some x while I dpkg-reconfigure... bbl |
| 05:47.49 | zeeble | octavious: or the idiot method is mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/dontwantgdm |
| 05:48.09 | dEa | its says X is not executable... |
| 05:48.20 | zeeble | eh? |
| 05:48.28 | zeeble | dEa: did you just install X? |
| 05:48.29 | octavious | i can't get debian to configure X to use my windows keys as Mod4 |
| 05:48.35 | dEa | no.. |
| 05:48.44 | zeeble | dEa: apt-get install x-window-system gnome |
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| 05:48.52 | dEa | okey |
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| 05:49.37 | Kog | ok... dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system just dies on calling it... |
| 05:49.52 | Kog | does it somehow think I edited the x conf manually? |
| 05:50.01 | dEa | Kog: i didnt install X at all |
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| 05:50.10 | dEa | just gnome and gdm |
| 05:50.12 | Tr0||_DX | how do i make a f****** i845g work in sarge debian |
| 05:50.18 | alfTx | i'm having a hard time finding HOWTO on upgrading glib .... I've compiled 2.6.2 into /opt for safe keeping till I can figure out how to SAFELY replace the v2.4.8 that came w/Sarge.. |
| 05:50.25 | dEa | lets see whats happens now.. |
| 05:50.25 | Tr0||_DX | it does work but i get a 400 fps in glxgears |
| 05:50.49 | LordBrain | i have both libXft.so.2 and libXft.so.1 in /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 and /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.1 both visible to ldconfig... and I am using -L/usr/X11R6/lib, yet still when i compile programs which link against libXft i get a linker error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXft. Does anyone know what might be wrong here? |
| 05:50.49 | zeeble | Kog: how about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 05:50.53 | alfTx | anyone have a good url on the best way to do this.. |
| 05:51.08 | Kog | dea: you can't run gnome without x... |
| 05:51.22 | dEa | Kog: yea.. |
| 05:51.38 | Kog | so then why are you trying to do it? I'm a little confused |
| 05:51.42 | zeeble | dEa: just type what i told you earlier |
| 05:51.54 | zeeble | Kog: he just got the order wrong i guess |
| 05:52.00 | zeeble | but i dont get how gnome installed without X |
| 05:52.02 | dEa | zeeble i typed ;) |
| 05:52.04 | zeeble | :/ |
| 05:52.11 | zeeble | dEa: oh ok. wait for the install i guess |
| 05:52.21 | Kog | zeeble: actually I did that by accident |
| 05:52.23 | dEa | now its installed |
| 05:52.31 | Kog | zeeble: because I thought aptitude would install x-server as a dependency |
| 05:52.47 | Kog | zeeble: needless to say... apparently not |
| 05:52.49 | irreverentrevere | any one here willing to look over an error i got at boot and help me with it? i pasted it earlier, so i dont want to paste it again. It has to do with a hd attached to a promise controller |
| 05:53.00 | zeeble | Kog: oh ok. i always install xserver-xfree86, check twm, and then install the others. |
| 05:53.04 | Kog | and xserver-xfree86 worked... got the wrong package |
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| 05:53.21 | Kog | zeeble: it was my first deb install... I figured that gnome would sort of require X |
| 05:53.37 | zeeble | Kog: i think the same, but *shrug* |
| 05:53.38 | bsd3 | hi, friends! |
| 05:53.39 | Kog | zeeble: but, since it could connect to a remote X I guess that it makes sense |
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| 05:58.03 | cleaverAlf | i'm needing a good url to a HOWTO on upgrading library files. I updated glib to v2.6.2 and put it in /opt for safe keeping till I can figure out a safe way to replace the older v2.4.8... |
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| 05:58.45 | Agrajag- | anyone happen to know, using the lpr command (cups style), to make the printer print A3 instead of A4 (as in specify the paper size?) |
| 06:00.04 | dEa | pls enter the video card`s bus indetifier.. my lspci is 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) |
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| 06:00.21 | dEa | what is my indetifier ? |
| 06:00.21 | peterS | dEa: unless you have more than one video card, just leave that blank |
| 06:00.48 | peterS | dEa: the purpose of giving your card ID is to disambiguate between multiple cards in your system that use the same driver |
| 06:00.59 | debian | !tell bsd3 about knoppix |
| 06:01.16 | peterS | cleaverAlf: how to upgrade library files: stick to .deb packages |
| 06:01.34 | peterS | cleaverAlf: they Do The Right Thing for you, if the maintainer is at all paying attention |
| 06:02.42 | cleaverAlf | well, src came from glib.org so I suppoe there are uumm... good maintainers.. <g> |
| 06:02.45 | dEa | why its so hard to isntall gnome desktop Lol |
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| 06:03.09 | octavious | don't use gnome maybe ;P |
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| 06:04.36 | cleaverAlf | gnome has been promising a visual cursor animation after you click a desktop icon to let you know it is working way back before 2.4 and i still don't see it in 2.8 here with sarge.. so much for their HID project.. |
| 06:04.50 | peterS | cleaverAlf: the general procedure is to rename any files whose names will conflict (or just delete them if they're symlinks) and then copy the new one into place ('make install' or whatever) and then run 'ldconfig' |
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| 06:05.27 | peterS | cleaverAlf: apps already running won't care, unless you copy the new library on top of the old one - that's why you rename or delete the old one first |
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| 06:06.46 | cleaverAlf | peterS, what about the pkg-config? |
| 06:06.52 | cafuego | peterS: i found an old copy old that file I was looking for. |
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| 06:08.04 | peterS | cafuego: remind me, what file was this? |
| 06:08.42 | cleaverAlf | pkg-config reports that the version is 2.6.2 but FINDS v 2.4.8... :-( |
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| 06:09.50 | peterS | cleaverAlf: that's probably a matter of symlinks. did you run 'ldconfig'? |
| 06:10.02 | cleaverAlf | sure did.. |
| 06:10.23 | cafuego | peterS: the one with coords |
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| 06:11.17 | peterS | cafuego: ahhhh, that one. so you've got better than per-country resolution now? |
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| 06:11.52 | eskilo | is there a way to use apt-get and make sure that it checks rigorously for all dependencies? |
| 06:12.16 | eskilo | my rhythmbox stopped working and even if i remove and re-install it says it can't open device for writing. |
| 06:12.17 | cafuego | peterS: Well, I would if I could use it, which I can't coz it's not free. |
| 06:12.23 | peterS | cleaverAlf: well, check /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 - it's a symlink - see if it's pointing to the library version you think it should be |
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| 06:12.31 | eskilo | i'm trying to reinstall it making sure that it's installing everything necessary |
| 06:12.36 | cafuego | peterS: I did a test-run and it looked pretty. |
| 06:12.50 | peterS | cafuego: heh. but the file or database is non-free? |
| 06:13.00 | cafuego | peterS: Indeed. License is US $300 |
| 06:13.03 | cleaverAlf | peterS: will do.. |
| 06:13.10 | kreg | anyone here use a TV-OUT to watch movies on a TV? |
| 06:13.35 | roo9 | kreg: i do |
| 06:13.48 | kreg | roo9, any pointers? i do not know how to make use of it. |
| 06:13.51 | cafuego | peterS: Which is fair enough, the company in question does lookups on assigned netblocks and adds that data by hand (or maybe they automate it, i dunno). |
| 06:13.53 | roo9 | kreg: but it's a vga conveer, not something built in |
| 06:13.56 | peterS | cleaverAlf: or, if your local install put the libs in /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/lib, you want to make sure /usr/local/lib is in your library path. I can't remember if it is by default. If not, put it in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 06:14.00 | kreg | roo9, oh |
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| 06:14.04 | roo9 | kreg: it depends on your chipset |
| 06:14.13 | kreg | ati radeon 9800pro |
| 06:14.17 | peterS | cafuego: I'm sure there's some automation but probably someone looks over the changes from time to time |
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| 06:14.46 | Overand | ok, i feel like an idiot for asking this, but how do i get ls to just display directories? |
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| 06:15.01 | cleaverAlf | peterS: the link points to the old version (2.4.8) and yes, I added /opt/lib to ld.so.config before running ldconfig |
| 06:15.14 | peterS | cleaverAlf: ld.so.conf, not ld.so.config |
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| 06:15.31 | cleaverAlf | right... typo.. |
| 06:15.31 | peterS | cleaverAlf: make sure there's a /opt/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 symlink too, then. the exact name is important |
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| 06:15.55 | alge_ | hi, |
| 06:16.05 | peterS | cleaverAlf: the point is, apps starting up will look for libglib-2.0.so.0 in the library path. the first one they find is the one they'll use. |
| 06:16.27 | peterS | cleaverAlf: you can use 'ldd' to verify that you did it right |
| 06:16.36 | r4v3n | Overand> 'ls -d' but do check out 'man ls' |
| 06:16.40 | alge_ | anyone ever do an install and on reboot the screen fills ith the word GRUB ...forever |
| 06:16.45 | cleaverAlf | peterS: /opt/lib links look ok.. |
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| 06:17.06 | Overand | ls -d doesn't 'work,' at least it's not the expected output |
| 06:17.31 | peterS | Overand: ld -d */ |
| 06:17.40 | peterS | Overand: the trailing / will force ls to only consider directories (: |
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| 06:19.00 | Overand | Ok, I don't know what's going on here, none of what you guys are suggesting is working. |
| 06:19.17 | bbenson | Overand, it works for me |
| 06:19.32 | smcavoy | anyone know of an app to undelete files on a vfat partition? I got clumsy with rm -rf :( |
| 06:19.42 | Overand | alright, let me give my precice use here |
| 06:19.53 | Overand | i want a list of directories in my current dir |
| 06:19.53 | peterS | Overand: good idea (: |
| 06:19.58 | Overand | that's *all* |
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| 06:20.04 | peterS | Overand: echo */ |
| 06:20.05 | r4v3n | Overand> try:'ls -d */' |
| 06:20.09 | Phated | ls --color=always and look at the blue ones. XD |
| 06:20.14 | Overand | oh hell |
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| 06:20.26 | peterS | !mock Overand |
| 06:20.33 | Overand | helps if i'm in the directory i think i'm in |
| 06:20.45 | Overand | i'm like WHY DOES IT KEEP SHOWING MY ROOT DIR |
| 06:20.46 | peterS | ah, heh |
| 06:20.46 | Overand | oh yeah |
| 06:20.49 | alge_ | hey if ls is broken; try find . -type d |
| 06:20.50 | cafuego | Overand: 'man pwd' ;-) |
| 06:20.50 | Overand | BECAUSE I'M IN THE ROOT DIR |
| 06:20.56 | Overand | cafuego: haha |
| 06:21.24 | peterS | alge_: 'echo */' is my preferred solution |
| 06:21.24 | cafuego | If 'ls' is broken, try fixing it. |
| 06:22.03 | peterS | alge_: echo is very rarely broken because almost every shell has it as a builtin. and lest you think this is silly, it's actually true that I've had to use 'echo *' as a replacement for 'ls' at one time or another |
| 06:22.10 | trogger | peteS: like your suggestion. |
| 06:22.16 | trogger | s/peteS/peterS |
| 06:22.28 | trogger | let's try that one again. |
| 06:22.32 | trogger | peterS: I like your suggestion. |
| 06:22.46 | peterS | trogger: note that for completeness you need 'echo */ .*/' (: but yeah |
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| 06:23.02 | cafuego | cows with guns |
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| 06:23.22 | peterS | actually in place of .* I usually say .??* which is a close appromation for 'every dot file except . and..' |
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| 06:23.43 | alge_ | True, true find also needs "maxdepth"...jeeze |
| 06:23.57 | peterS | it still misses the case of .{some char other than .} but that's a case I rarely care about |
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| 06:24.36 | trogger | peterS: heh, someone's considered this one at length ;) |
| 06:24.52 | alge_ | hey, anyone can shed a bit of light on this.. |
| 06:24.54 | peterS | trogger: I've had years to consider the issues. I started saying .??* at least 4 years ago, probably longer |
| 06:25.03 | nvz | cows with guns? |
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| 06:25.28 | alge_ | Old box, installed from a netinstall disk and it never makes first boot |
| 06:25.41 | peterS | alge_: how old? |
| 06:25.44 | alge_ | I just see GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB |
| 06:25.44 | trogger | alge_: please clarify, you get the word grub repeated continuously and lots? |
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| 06:25.53 | alge_ | P133 64M |
| 06:26.32 | alge_ | yup, scrolls on and on |
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| 06:26.46 | alge_ | fills the screen |
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| 06:26.56 | octavious | corrupted MBR? |
| 06:27.34 | alge_ | I booted it with a gentoo boot disk, mounted and chrooted over |
| 06:27.50 | trogger | brb [not that anyone is likely to care...] |
| 06:27.51 | drp | converting from dvi to ps ... how do you do it (dvips?) |
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| 06:27.53 | alge_ | and removed reinstalled grub |
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| 06:28.20 | alge_ | but no luck them I manually reset the the mbr from grub prompt |
| 06:28.41 | alge_ | but no luck; any suggestions |
| 06:28.58 | Kog | craptastical.... win2k won't boot anymore |
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| 06:29.07 | tga | I'm having trouble getting my windows network to see the samba server by name |
| 06:29.27 | tga | everything seems to work ok if I use the server's address, but the other machines don't seem to see the name |
| 06:29.31 | alge_ | which windows |
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| 06:29.56 | tga | I'm testing with an XP |
| 06:29.57 | alge_ | XP |
| 06:30.20 | tga | I have preferred master = False, local master = No, domain master = False |
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| 06:30.57 | ugexe | what is the emulator used for playing windows games in linux? |
| 06:31.06 | tga | ugexe: winex |
| 06:31.06 | Kog | wine |
| 06:31.13 | alge_ | thats, just gonna prevent it from entering into browse master elections |
| 06:31.18 | ugexe | i thought there was a different one specifically for games |
| 06:31.20 | nvz | ugexe: there isnt one in debian, but you can try cedega from transgaming |
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| 06:31.30 | Kog | ugexe: cedega is what you're thin... nevermind |
| 06:31.38 | alge_ | tga: do you have a dns sever |
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| 06:31.56 | tga | alge_: not with the netbios names |
| 06:32.00 | nvz | tga: winex isnt in production afaik, its now cedga |
| 06:32.25 | tga | sorry, I'm not up to date with winex |
| 06:32.50 | nvz | tga: transgaming :p winex doesnt exist anymore. heh |
| 06:32.53 | tga | alge_: I want the samba server to act like a windows box, show up in the workgroup list and all |
| 06:33.20 | tga | alge_: no funny domains or anthing |
| 06:33.35 | alge_ | just workgroup |
| 06:33.40 | tga | exactly |
| 06:33.55 | alge_ | is nmbd running |
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| 06:34.30 | tga | alge_: yes, init.d/samba starts both smbd and nmbd afaik |
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| 06:34.50 | alge_ | yea but is it -actually- running |
| 06:34.54 | dragonfly | what are the group and user name requirements for shadow? |
| 06:34.56 | tga | alge_: yes |
| 06:35.07 | soften | is dansguardian available for stable? even as a backport? the dansguardian web site mentions using apt-get install dansguardian on debian, but apt-cache search doesn't find it and I also couldn't find it on backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 06:35.09 | tga | dragonfly: shadow what? |
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| 06:35.26 | trogger | soften: check out packages.debian.org |
| 06:35.39 | trogger | soften: for the authoritative answer |
| 06:35.46 | tga | soften: maybe they also provide an apt source for you? |
| 06:35.58 | alge_ | can you see the XP box from the linux box? |
| 06:36.00 | pook | hi, i'm trying to determine what video controller i'm using... What is the command that will tell me that? |
| 06:36.00 | peterS | trogger: he already said it didn't seem to be in stable. he already checked the usual extradebian repositories |
| 06:36.02 | trogger | soften: namely, that no, it's not in the debian tree |
| 06:36.10 | alge_ | smbclient or anything |
| 06:36.20 | trogger | peterS: fair enough. |
| 06:36.22 | bob2 | pook: there isn't a way, in general |
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| 06:36.29 | bob2 | pook: 'lspci' will probably be useful, tho |
| 06:36.34 | trogger | pook: you could try lshw |
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| 06:36.47 | pook | ok..thx guys |
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| 06:37.05 | soften | trogger, Can't Find That Package is what I got. wondering what the dansguardian folks mean by apt-get install dansguardian |
| 06:37.23 | trogger | soften: it works under unstable. |
| 06:38.12 | soften | ok. just not in stable, and no one maintains a backport that I can find. |
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| 06:38.54 | soften | i was looking for a way to avoid maintaining a local copy :) compiled from source it works fine, but I prefer to leave that work to the maintainers because they are much better at it than I am. |
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| 06:41.22 | soften | I found the "demigods have stolen your mojo" type message to be quite confusing, fwiw |
| 06:41.37 | dragonfly | the shadow login program |
| 06:41.50 | peterS | soften: it *is* a bit confusing. having seen it before helps a lot (: |
| 06:42.08 | tga | dragonfly: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:42.15 | jm_ | soften: I used to compile it myself on stable, it worked very well back then, but that was a while ago, so it may be a lot more troublesome if it has been adapted to the updated build system |
| 06:42.26 | peterS | soften: as for your dansguardian thing - for most purposes I'd recommend just upgrading to debian 3.1 (sarge) at this point. even though it's not officially released yet |
| 06:42.35 | soften | jm_, compiled and worked on the first try, I just don't really want to maintain it |
| 06:42.43 | bob2 | and unfortunately has no security updates |
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| 06:43.14 | dragonfly | i'm trying to add a group/user, but it's not letting me...i don't know if it is too long or something |
| 06:43.17 | soften | peterS, I can just run this alien version until sarge becomes stable, at which point I can dist-upgrade and be done with it. |
| 06:43.19 | trogger | how easy is it to use rsync to maintain local apt-get upgrades ? |
| 06:43.22 | jm_ | soften: yes, that's one bit you can't avoid |
| 06:43.26 | dragonfly | i havn't been able to find a man page w/info |
| 06:43.31 | bob2 | dragonfly: so why don't you tell us what you're running |
| 06:43.36 | bob2 | trogger: easy |
| 06:43.38 | dragonfly | i cna find info bu tnot what i need |
| 06:43.40 | bob2 | trogger: use debmirror |
| 06:43.44 | dragonfly | what do u wnat to know bob??? |
| 06:43.59 | bob2 | dragonfly: the command line you are running |
| 06:44.04 | trogger | bob2: cheers. |
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| 06:44.14 | Kog | sup bob2 |
| 06:44.27 | bob2 | trogger: it lets you fairly easily customise which bits you mirror. which is good, since a full feed is GB/day |
| 06:44.32 | bob2 | and 110GB to begin with |
| 06:44.36 | bob2 | Kog: yo. |
| 06:44.41 | Kog | bob2: sound works |
| 06:44.47 | irreverentrevere | I recently added a new promise controller and a hdd on it. With just the controller, i boot OK, with a hdd attached to the controller I get an error as the last line while attempting boot "hde: set_drive_speed_status: status=0x51 { DriveREady SeekComplete Error } hde: set_drive_speed_status: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } ide2 at 0x900-0x9007,0x9402 on irq 193 hde: max request size: 128KiB hde: 18446744073709551615 sectors (18446 |
| 06:44.50 | Kog | bob2: damndest thing though... now win2k doesn't heh |
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| 06:44.55 | trogger | bob2: hmmm. |
| 06:44.57 | LordBrain | hey, ld cant find -lImlib2 What package do i need to install to fix that? |
| 06:45.13 | bob2 | LordBrain: apt-cache search imlib2 | grep dev |
| 06:45.22 | bob2 | Kog: hah |
| 06:45.27 | Kog | bob2: it's not funny :( |
| 06:45.27 | peterS | trogger: better than a mirror would be apt-cacher or apt-proxy. those are proxy servers that sort of mirror-on-demand |
| 06:45.41 | Kog | the point of running a dual boot is to be able to use BOTH OS' |
| 06:45.42 | Nurbs | or just some http proxy |
| 06:45.48 | peterS | trogger: that way you don't download anything you don't actually need, but you also don't pull down the same thing multiple times |
| 06:45.51 | bob2 | Kog: "diesn't work"? |
| 06:45.57 | bob2 | er, spelt correctly |
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| 06:46.17 | Kog | bob2: never asks me to log in |
| 06:46.21 | vijay | i am getting an error:dpkg: error processing /cdrom//pool/main/x/xfree86/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-8_i386.deb (--unpack) |
| 06:46.25 | Kog | bob2: I think it runs the start up scripts, but I don't know |
| 06:46.27 | peterS | trogger: between apt-proxy and apt-cacher: apt-cacher is generally superior, but runs as a CGI process under apache, so you need to have apache installed as well. apt-proxy runs as a standalone (simple) web server |
| 06:46.29 | vijay | while doing apt-get install |
| 06:46.35 | bob2 | vijay: that's not the error |
| 06:46.41 | vijay | then |
| 06:46.42 | bob2 | vijay: scroll up and paste it all to #flood |
| 06:46.56 | vijay | what is #flood |
| 06:46.57 | trogger | peterS: hmmm. I'm thinking more for a machine that usually runs autonomously |
| 06:47.04 | bob2 | vijay: channel |
| 06:47.10 | trogger | vijay: a place to paste stuff - another channle. |
| 06:47.15 | trogger | o.n.o. |
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| 06:47.22 | peterS | trogger: if you're not updating multiple machines there's little point in either a mirror or a caching proxy |
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| 06:47.51 | trogger | peterS: will not rsync reduce downloads though? |
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| 06:48.05 | trogger | peterS: by doing incremental stuff, even on the binaries? |
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| 06:48.13 | vijay | j #flood |
| 06:48.14 | dragonfly | can you point me to the requirements or limitations of names under shadow? |
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| 06:48.18 | peterS | trogger: not all that much. packages are compressed, and the compression algorithm doesn't allow rsync to do much of its magic |
| 06:48.19 | bob2 | trogger: nah |
| 06:48.31 | frankie | can anyone help me with gtk+-2.0?!!! |
| 06:48.36 | bob2 | peterS: also every new version of a .deb is a new file |
| 06:48.40 | frankie | i'm about to throw my boox out the window! |
| 06:48.45 | bob2 | frankie: you have to ask a useful question first |
| 06:48.48 | trogger | frankie: more specifically |
| 06:48.50 | tga | dragonfly: you mean the user names you can have? |
| 06:48.56 | peterS | bob2: right, but you could theoretically tell rsync to check your existing files, even with their different version numbers |
| 06:48.57 | dragonfly | yes |
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| 06:49.04 | Kog | frankie: what are you doing w/ GTK? |
| 06:49.06 | bob2 | dragonfly: why don't you just show us the username you're trying to use? |
| 06:49.08 | peterS | bob2: especially with zsync, since it does all the scanning at the client end |
| 06:49.15 | trogger | peterS: I have heard that it can still work surprisingly well! |
| 06:49.15 | frankie | i'm trying to compile beagle.. but it says that it can't find gtk+-2.0 |
| 06:49.24 | bob2 | frankie: so install it |
| 06:49.27 | bob2 | frankie: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 06:49.29 | frankie | configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2 mozilla-gtkmozembed) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them. |
| 06:49.30 | bob2 | frankie: and install build-essential |
| 06:49.47 | peterS | trogger: zsync will work well when it's complete. there's plans to special-case .deb packages in such a way that it'll be possible to get the rsync effect even through the compression |
| 06:49.57 | peterS | I think this is true, anyway |
| 06:50.06 | trogger | peterS: nice! |
| 06:50.11 | roo9 | how can i allow unprivlidged users to write to an NFS share? currently they get a permission denied error. |
| 06:50.12 | tga | dragonfly: it's a good idea to keep user names under 32 characters |
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| 06:50.28 | trogger | roo9: modify your /etc/exports ? |
| 06:50.48 | roo9 | trogger: any idea how? |
| 06:50.54 | peterS | trogger: meanwhile, there exists such a thing as 'gzip --rsyncable' which synchronises the compressed stream periodically such that rsync will benefit. this is a debian-specific patch to gzip. and unfortunately most people still don't use it even though it's pretty cheap (like 2% larger files or something) |
| 06:51.00 | tga | roo9: remove the 'ro' in the export line |
| 06:51.02 | roo9 | trogger: that export has a (rw) |
| 06:51.26 | tga | roo9: is that share chmod'ed 777? |
| 06:51.29 | trogger | man exports |
| 06:51.35 | kreg | is there a deb for ati's linux driver? |
| 06:51.41 | peterS | trogger: the idea of 'gzip --rsyncable' is that if you use --rsyncable on two files that don't differ much, the gzip'd versions won't differ much either |
| 06:51.42 | trogger | yep |
| 06:51.49 | tga | roo9: it might be that your users simply don't have the rights to write there |
| 06:51.54 | kreg | can you help me find it in apt-cache search ?? |
| 06:52.05 | frankie | woa.. that was quick |
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| 06:52.23 | trogger | kreg: check out http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 06:52.47 | trogger | peterS: this is good logic. |
| 06:52.58 | roo9 | tga: it has something to do with the fact that numeric userids are transmitted, not textual ones.. |
| 06:53.03 | trogger | peterS: interesting stuff. |
| 06:53.06 | roo9 | i didn't want to make the share 777 i suppose ahve to |
| 06:53.11 | tga | roo9: there is no such thing as textual userids |
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| 06:53.31 | dragonfly | it's 21 characters |
| 06:53.39 | tga | roo9: you need to sync your userids somehow.. nis, ldap, manually editing passwd |
| 06:53.39 | bob2 | dragonfly: just show us it |
| 06:53.40 | bob2 | jesus |
| 06:53.45 | peterS | trogger: still, zsync is the future. it's like rsync but corrects the braindead design of making the *server* do all the heavy calculations - and it looks inside gzip files and rsyncs the uncompressed versions of them, basically |
| 06:53.47 | roo9 | tga: adam vs 501 |
| 06:53.51 | bob2 | if it's so embarassing you won't paste it, it's a stupid one so you should pick another |
| 06:53.57 | tga | roo9: or at least your group ids |
| 06:54.01 | kreg | trogger, would that be any more effective than just installing rpm, and doing a force install of ati's rpm pakage? |
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| 06:54.13 | roo9 | tga: i'll just chmod 777, that seems like a problem with the implementation of NFS to me |
| 06:54.14 | Overand | never do this: sudo chmod 777 -R /* |
| 06:54.16 | dragonfly | lfs-bootscripts-2_2_3 |
| 06:54.18 | tga | roo9: adam gets resolved to 501 before accessing the file system.. no info on 'adam' is stored on the fs |
| 06:54.19 | peterS | trogger: the downside of zsync is that it's quite new (a few months old) and not widely deployed yet (and not really mature yet either) |
| 06:54.23 | frankie | it worked.. but now it wants :(gtk-sharp glade-sharp gecko-sharp = 0.6 gnome-sharp dbus-sharp >= 0.23.1 gconf-sharp gmime-sharp >= 2.1.11 |
| 06:54.28 | frankie | but i can't apt-get them |
| 06:54.30 | bob2 | frankie: aww |
| 06:54.36 | trogger | kreg: not sure... but I have had good success with that webpage and 2 years ago when I tried the alien version I didn't like it |
| 06:54.38 | bob2 | frankie: did you even look for them? |
| 06:54.49 | kreg | trogger, ok. thank you for the link |
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| 06:54.54 | tga | roo9: you could set up NIS to look up the names over the network |
| 06:54.56 | frankie | what do i do after i "apt-get" them |
| 06:55.04 | roo9 | tga: how ? |
| 06:55.20 | roo9 | tga: that seems like what i need. |
| 06:55.24 | tga | roo9: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NIS-HOWTO/ |
| 06:55.39 | bob2 | frankie: nothing |
| 06:55.46 | tga | roo9: I guess the nice way would be to set up LDAP but afaik NIS is easier |
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| 06:57.02 | roo9 | tga: both are overkill here :-( thanks though! |
| 06:57.02 | peterS | NIS *is* easier. it's pretty nearly plug-n-play. it is, however, a bit limiting depending on what all you want to do |
| 06:57.32 | tga | roo9: for my home exports I just sync the uid and gid in /etc/passwd and group |
| 06:58.07 | trogger | peterS: I like the term unix boxen. |
| 06:58.28 | roo9 | peterS: was /etc/shadow nfs as well? |
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| 06:58.53 | peterS | roo9: I don't remember if the server had shadow passwords or just used /etc/passwd |
| 06:59.17 | peterS | roo9: anyway, it really surprised me that you *could* NFS-mount an individual file as its own mount point. but at least in AIX apparently you can |
| 06:59.27 | tga | peterS: it's fairly easy to write a script to sync /etc/passwd, but /etc/group gets harder with all the user names spread around each group |
| 06:59.55 | roo9 | peterS: and it would take how many seconds to root that box? hopefully the root password was >40 chars long.... |
| 07:00.21 | peterS | roo9: AIX doesn't allow passwords longer than 8 chars. old-school unix. at least, AIX 4.x here. I've never messed with AIX 5.1+ |
| 07:00.34 | tga | sounds like great security |
| 07:00.36 | trogger | roo9: doesn't everyone choose a root password > 64 characters?!? |
| 07:00.40 | peterS | oh, very great security |
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| 07:00.43 | roo9 | trogger: i always do |
| 07:00.55 | roo9 | peterS: that's just asking for it, really |
| 07:00.57 | trogger | roo9: good to hear. |
| 07:01.28 | dEa | how i can clear apt-get cache |
| 07:01.33 | dEa | all possibly cache |
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| 07:01.37 | peterS | tga: "fairly long" doesn't really help you when you're using an English phrase. the fact that it's as easy to remember as a password should be a clue that it's about the same amount of entropy |
| 07:01.43 | roo9 | i use SSH keys... and all my password actually are quite long and complex... i can't remember them in my head, but i rarely use them |
| 07:01.45 | peterS | dEa: apt-get clean |
| 07:02.12 | dEa | thanx peter |
| 07:02.32 | peterS | dEa: see also 'apt-get autoclean'. like apt-get clean but only deletes older package versions than what you have installed |
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| 07:02.47 | tga | peterS: even if all my words were in the dictionary it would take forever to brute force every possible n-word phrase, not to mention punctuation and capitalization |
| 07:02.51 | asuffield | maher: that's about normal for NIS. NIS sucks. |
| 07:03.12 | dEa | okey peter |
| 07:03.13 | maher | asuffield: i should point out i didn't set up this box... |
| 07:03.27 | roo9 | maher: we know you did, admit it! |
| 07:03.28 | asuffield | smart people don't deploy NIS networks |
| 07:03.29 | tga | asuffield: what's better but still fairly easy to set up for a few machines then? |
| 07:03.31 | trogger | peterS: yes, while the entropy is not that much higher for a human, it is for brute force methods, even quite well designed ones. |
| 07:03.41 | asuffield | tga: being poked in the eye with a sharp stick is better and easier |
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| 07:03.59 | peterS | tga: if you add punctuation and capitalisation to the mix, that's better. but you know, picking one word out of your 40_000 word vocabulary isn't really any better than picking 3 ASCII chars from your 96-char ASCII vocabulary |
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| 07:04.22 | trogger | yes, but if you're using brute force, how easy is that eh? |
| 07:05.07 | tga | peterS: it's somewhere under 40,000 choices ^ 10 words |
| 07:05.14 | peterS | trogger: brute force is dumb if you suspect the person has a pattern. like using English words in a passphrase |
| 07:05.32 | godsmoke | this a brute force discussion? |
| 07:05.54 | tga | godsmoke: English pass phrases vs long passwords |
| 07:06.09 | roo9 | long random password, with lots of !)(@#$U*@)(#'s |
| 07:06.12 | asuffield | anything a person can remember can be brute forced in a few days. you must never use human-remembered secrets in a scenario which permits brute force attacks |
| 07:06.14 | godsmoke | tga: what kind of a discussion is that? :) |
| 07:06.42 | godsmoke | asuffield: that's an impossible assumption |
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| 07:06.52 | godsmoke | brute force time varies so much |
| 07:06.53 | asuffield | godsmoke: it is not. it's the norm. |
| 07:07.00 | asuffield | no it doesn't |
| 07:07.11 | godsmoke | well, what algorithm are you brute forcing? |
| 07:07.25 | asuffield | who cares? they all come out around the same |
| 07:07.30 | godsmoke | no ... they don't |
| 07:07.37 | asuffield | yes, they do |
| 07:07.39 | godsmoke | dude |
| 07:07.43 | godsmoke | you're not making any sense |
| 07:07.48 | Kog | if you're using a non-trigram it becomes much harder |
| 07:07.53 | peterS | godsmoke: the only time they don't is if checking the secret actually takes significant resources itself |
| 07:08.01 | tga | MD5 passwords godsmoke |
| 07:08.03 | godsmoke | peterS: yep |
| 07:08.03 | peterS | godsmoke: like if you're rate-limited in how often you can query an oracle |
| 07:08.10 | asuffield | peterS: two days, six days, still a few days. no bloody difference for practical purpose |
| 07:08.11 | asuffield | s |
| 07:08.17 | godsmoke | or if the algorithm truly takes time to calculate |
| 07:08.24 | godsmoke | or if the number of possibilities is incredibly high |
| 07:08.34 | peterS | godsmoke: right, but just computation time for an algorithm doesn't slow people down much. as asuffield says |
| 07:08.39 | godsmoke | I remember 20 digit random passcodes all the time |
| 07:08.39 | Kog | it's pretty damn hard to collide the MD5 |
| 07:08.42 | bob2 | OMG MD5 IS BROKEN!111 |
| 07:08.46 | tga | you're pretty much okay over the network, but not if you share your /etc/shadow |
| 07:08.50 | trogger | godsmoke: good for you. |
| 07:09.24 | godsmoke | trogger: well -- take a common algorthm, and assume you know the passcode is 20 characters -- most algorithms with small cracking clusters can't crack that in days |
| 07:09.28 | peterS | tga: right, that's why asuffield said "in a situation where brute forcing is possible". when you add network delays and the possibility of the server admin checking log files, you're pretty severely rate-limited |
| 07:09.32 | asuffield | godsmoke: so that's about 60-80 bits of entropy, it'll stand up to an attack for maybe a few hours |
| 07:09.46 | debian | bob2: that's the end of civilization as we know it. |
| 07:09.59 | asuffield | peterS: in a halfway reasonable system, you don't *get* to make more than a couple dozen attempts. the server locks the account after that |
| 07:10.10 | peterS | asuffield: right. hence, brute forcing isn't possible |
| 07:10.10 | zinx | locking the account ist boese |
| 07:10.11 | trogger | dpkg: we've got some bigshot crackers in here, eh? |
| 07:10.12 | dpkg | trogger: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:10.14 | zinx | easy DoS attack |
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| 07:10.29 | tga | peterS: it doesn't make much sense to have a random 256-characters root password unless you're expecting some sort of brute force attack |
| 07:10.44 | asuffield | zinx: whereupon you check the security camera footage and go mug the idiot who did it :P |
| 07:10.57 | bob2 | everyone should be using SHA-512 passwords |
| 07:11.02 | bob2 | anything less is insecure |
| 07:11.08 | zinx | asuffield: that doesn't work in a scenerio where the access point isn't known :/ |
| 07:11.08 | godsmoke | heh |
| 07:11.15 | godsmoke | but that ... is absolutely secure? :) |
| 07:11.19 | peterS | tga: I'm a wimp, I could never remember a 32-char random string. I mainly rely on the attacker's inability to mount a brute force attack |
| 07:11.20 | zinx | asuffield: i.e., almost every internet server setup |
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| 07:11.33 | asuffield | zinx: people at unknown access points don't get to use password authentication. give them a securid tag or something |
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| 07:11.58 | trogger | bob2: personally, if it takes less than 2 hours of solid 100wpm typing to put in your password - you may as well not bother. |
| 07:12.05 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 07:12.07 | bob2 | exactly |
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| 07:13.04 | trogger | tga: I have been wondering about this exact thing. |
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| 07:13.24 | trogger | tga: best thing I have come up with is getting a one-time pw sent to a mobile phone, at the exact time it is requested. |
| 07:13.29 | bob2 | I just use my GPG private key in hex as my password |
| 07:13.30 | tga | I have a small java one time password app in my cell phone |
| 07:13.44 | trogger | tga: j2me? |
| 07:13.45 | tga | so I can hash the server challenge with my passcode |
| 07:13.48 | tga | yeah |
| 07:13.52 | asuffield | bob2: oh, damn, I use your gpg private key in hex as my password too |
| 07:13.56 | trogger | tga: tell me more!! |
| 07:14.05 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:14.06 | trogger | asuffield: hehehe |
| 07:14.27 | tga | trogger: http://www.fatsquirrel.org/software/vejotp/ |
| 07:14.37 | trogger | tga: cheers. this is what I have been wanting... |
| 07:14.38 | tga | trogger: similar software exists for PDAs |
| 07:14.48 | peterS | bob2: you use that as your password on ecommerce web sites, right? |
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| 07:14.59 | peterS | bob2: since those never get hax0red and they always store secure hashes of passwords anyway |
| 07:15.02 | trogger | tga: I wanted j2me... |
| 07:15.08 | asuffield | still, anybody can login to the box with a password. think how much more difficult it would be to take over the country by force and proclaim myself king |
| 07:15.10 | pookie | i keep getting a compile error saying "***Cannot find kernel config file. Stop. " |
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| 07:15.23 | tga | trogger: if it works on my MIDP 1 Siemens M55 it works on anything |
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| 07:15.31 | trogger | pookie: have you got a /usr/src/linux/.config ?? |
| 07:15.34 | dEa | i just upgrade from woody to sarge without any error =) cool |
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| 07:16.32 | pookie | trogger: yes |
| 07:16.36 | tga | trogger: the alternative is to print a page full of passwords and take it with you |
| 07:16.49 | tga | trogger: every time you use one you cross it out |
| 07:16.51 | Tr0||_DX | is sid unsing xfree or xorg |
| 07:16.55 | trogger | tga: so you haven't found webmail that will support it? |
| 07:17.02 | trogger | tga: then you lose your paper :) |
| 07:17.14 | tga | trogger: if you lose your paper you change the password, heh |
| 07:17.16 | trogger | tga: I like the phone idea because you can password your phone, and it's technically very difficult to break that. |
| 07:17.25 | helix | Tr0||_DX: xfree |
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| 07:17.29 | Tr0||_DX | damn |
| 07:17.29 | asuffield | pfeh, cellphones are easier to break into than people think |
| 07:17.33 | trogger | tga: and there's a lot of security by obscurity. |
| 07:17.41 | Tr0||_DX | when are you guy gonna upgrade |
| 07:17.46 | trogger | asuffield: how many years have you been a professional cracker, dude? |
| 07:17.54 | asuffield | it's not even security by obscurity. it's security by complexity, which is no security at all |
| 07:18.00 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: ummmm. it's not much of an upgrade at this point |
| 07:18.07 | Tr0||_DX | well it is |
| 07:18.11 | trogger | asuffield: you're talking rubbish!! |
| 07:18.18 | Tr0||_DX | my graphic card just work in xorg |
| 07:18.20 | tga | trogger: with vejotp you can type in your password every time, nothing is stored locally |
| 07:18.25 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: did you try it in debian? |
| 07:18.30 | Tr0||_DX | i am |
| 07:18.37 | trogger | tga: I like the way it can defeat keystroke loggers. |
| 07:18.41 | Tr0||_DX | xfree suck |
| 07:18.43 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: the X server in debian sarge supports many/most modern chips |
| 07:18.48 | tga | trogger: that's the whole point |
| 07:18.51 | Tr0||_DX | my i845g wont work correctly |
| 07:18.56 | trogger | tga: yes. |
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| 07:19.19 | tga | trogger: you can also generate your password list and stick it in the phone, even if it doesn't do java |
| 07:19.35 | Tr0||_DX | if i do compille xorg any change it will actually work |
| 07:19.36 | helix | Tr0||_DX: do you want help or is your nick true to your nature? |
| 07:19.42 | trogger | tga: yeah. java's fine, though. |
| 07:19.46 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
| 07:19.54 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: given what we know of you so far, I doubt you could get it to work |
| 07:20.02 | Tr0||_DX | i kinda picked a right name for my carachter |
| 07:20.06 | raghu | (ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host) any body with this problem with ssh |
| 07:20.09 | Tr0||_DX | ? |
| 07:20.16 | Tr0||_DX | men of no faith |
| 07:20.37 | asuffield | raghu: that's a generic error message. the vast majority of things that can go wrong give this error message. it is not useful. |
| 07:20.45 | schuler | bye |
| 07:20.56 | Tr0||_DX | well could anyone point me to a precompilled debian xorg then |
| 07:20.59 | peterS | you hear that, helix? you're a man of no faith |
| 07:21.08 | nvz | I think I just found a diamond in the rough here |
| 07:21.16 | helix | oh well |
| 07:21.20 | raghu | asuffield: you need full error message |
| 07:21.33 | tga | trogger: I first ran into OTPs on FreeBSD and it seemed like a good idea |
| 07:21.54 | trogger | tga: in what situations do you use it? |
| 07:22.08 | trogger | tga: as in you, personally. |
| 07:22.21 | nvz | this package golem, is a fair nextstep feel wm so far seems cool, and it uses less memory than even ion2 |
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| 07:22.26 | tga | trogger: I haven't used it in quite a while, but I used to log in to my home box from public school computers |
| 07:22.35 | Tr0||_DX | well if there is a xfree4.4 in sid i could try that first |
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| 07:22.55 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: there isn't. there's a heavily patched XFree86 4.3. it has a lot of driver updates from 4.4ish days |
| 07:23.08 | trogger | tga: the only thing that you can't protect against, then, is people reading over your shoulder if you've got private messages (or using software to do same) |
| 07:23.23 | Tr0||_DX | i c does that include the new i910 driver |
| 07:23.26 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: sid and sarge xfree86 are the same (approximately), though. if you've already tried sarge, sid isn't likely to work any better |
| 07:23.35 | Tr0||_DX | damn |
| 07:23.36 | tga | trogger: I'm trying out opie-server on debian as we speak |
| 07:23.53 | tga | trogger: you can assume that everything you see on the screen is getting logged |
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| 07:24.11 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: is the i910 one a separate driver from i810, then, or just an extension to it? sid xfree86 doesn't have a separate i910 driver |
| 07:24.27 | Tr0||_DX | a separate one |
| 07:24.32 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: oh well then |
| 07:24.40 | Tr0||_DX | its the new one that remplace the i810 |
| 07:25.16 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: well, there's an i810 driver in the sid xfree86. whether it supports chips like i910, I have no idea |
| 07:25.25 | Tr0||_DX | :( |
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| 07:26.13 | nvz | but I almost scrolled right past this wm. I thought to myself maybe I should just check it out it might be cool. and its not bad. less than 2mb memory usage, nextstep feel with root menu, dock, and pager |
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| 07:26.21 | Tr0||_DX | well thanks for the info gonna go fetch the xorg cvs , guess i have no other choice |
| 07:26.32 | bluefox83 | woops..wrong server... |
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| 07:27.41 | tga | trogger: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/one-time-passwords.html |
| 07:27.53 | trogger | tga: cheers |
| 07:27.58 | tga | trogger: most of the info applies to opie-server on debian |
| 07:28.07 | trogger | tga: currently drowning in links, but I'll get there :) |
| 07:28.21 | tga | bookmark it for later :) |
| 07:28.25 | trogger | internet in NZ is stupid. |
| 07:28.32 | tga | not only in .nz |
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| 07:28.44 | trogger | 1 Gig / month of ADSL, then they knock your speed back to dialup... blerk!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:28.53 | trogger | and even then it's only 1 Mbps |
| 07:28.58 | anakin_z | So choose a better providerrr.... |
| 07:29.00 | trogger | and latent. |
| 07:29.02 | anakin_z | Thats why I stuck with UBS |
| 07:29.06 | trogger | anakin_z: we have a monopoly. |
| 07:29.08 | anakin_z | 50ms NAT |
| 07:29.11 | anakin_z | I know |
| 07:29.12 | anakin_z | I live here |
| 07:29.18 | trogger | anakin_z: ah. |
| 07:29.24 | Tr0||_DX | lol |
| 07:29.26 | trogger | anakin_z: my apologies. |
| 07:29.27 | tga | pwned |
| 07:29.36 | Tr0||_DX | i got a 700 kps cable with no limit |
| 07:29.41 | anakin_z | thats why I didnt rush into 1mbit/2mbit plans |
| 07:29.44 | Tr0||_DX | for a mere 30 $ a month |
| 07:29.55 | anakin_z | I knew they wouldnt meet it for everyone |
| 07:30.06 | trogger | 700 kps isn't that great |
| 07:30.09 | anakin_z | some people get like 90KB/s when they should be getting 256KB/s |
| 07:30.11 | Tr0||_DX | 700 is what 4mbit |
| 07:30.20 | Tr0||_DX | i get 700 |
| 07:30.25 | Tr0||_DX | i own you all :P |
| 07:30.28 | trogger | anakin_z: this situation sucks. |
| 07:30.40 | trogger | 700 kBps. ok that's a different story. |
| 07:30.43 | anakin_z | Nothing we can do :/ |
| 07:30.44 | Tr0||_DX | 700 not that great ??? |
| 07:30.48 | Tr0||_DX | yes |
| 07:31.02 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: until you can compete with multiple OC-3s, you haven't arrived. |
| 07:31.07 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
| 07:31.07 | anakin_z | Except maybe organise a mass disconnect before August |
| 07:31.11 | trogger | personwiththedisgustingnickthatirefusetotypeyouknowwhoyouare: I thought you meant kbps |
| 07:31.18 | Tr0||_DX | well i only got residential connection |
| 07:31.21 | anakin_z | causing the commerce commission to unbundle the loop if it slips below 250K subscribers |
| 07:31.35 | Tr0||_DX | commercial is way faster |
| 07:31.54 | anakin_z | You have to take into account that we arent on a large continent |
| 07:31.54 | r4v3n | hehehe, a lot of people get confused between KB/s and kbps |
| 07:31.55 | trogger | I'm looking forward to being in CA next year - should be a lot better :) |
| 07:31.56 | Tr0||_DX | t1 is only 150 a month i think am gonna get one soon |
| 07:31.58 | badblody | how can i find info about understanding the partition table? (raw hdd access) |
| 07:32.14 | anakin_z | So it wouldnt be easy to have extremely fast speeds for low prices |
| 07:32.14 | Tr0||_DX | :) |
| 07:32.16 | dondelelcaro | badblody: look at the fdisk sourcecode, or in the kernel. |
| 07:32.26 | Tr0||_DX | vive le canada |
| 07:32.36 | anakin_z | exactly |
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| 07:32.43 | anakin_z | our country is like, the size of colorado |
| 07:32.45 | anakin_z | and quite isolated |
| 07:32.48 | drp | anyone use LaTeX here? |
| 07:32.54 | trogger | drp: yep |
| 07:33.01 | dondelelcaro | drp: yes, but #latex is probably a better place to ask |
| 07:33.11 | drp | ty dondelelcaro |
| 07:33.38 | Coke | drp: there's 737 people here, do you seriously think that none of them use latex? |
| 07:33.50 | Tr0||_DX | good job on the french traduction of debian its quite good compare to other distro |
| 07:33.52 | drp | Coke, yes |
| 07:34.06 | Coke | drp: out of 700+ debian users, none would use latex, ever? |
| 07:34.16 | anakin_z | its possible |
| 07:34.27 | drp | Coke, I'm really new to both so how should I know |
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| 07:34.52 | Tr0||_DX | when you select french canada you relly get french canada usually its only a france redone sucky french |
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| 07:35.21 | Coke | drp: ok. well, there are most probably people in this channel who has used latex at one point or another in variying degree |
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| 07:35.49 | dondelelcaro | Coke: eh, the question's already been answered already... no point in beating the bloody spot on the pavement. |
| 07:36.05 | drp | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 07:36.31 | Coke | dondelelcaro: oh, there's always a point |
| 07:36.44 | dondelelcaro | although, the beating of bloody pavement is one of my specialties. |
| 07:36.50 | Tr0||_DX | didnt even knew that my own university was hosting debian until yesterday :P |
| 07:36.54 | tga | I love to watch my cell phone compute encryption keys |
| 07:37.05 | Tr0||_DX | kinda got a crazy dl speed |
| 07:37.09 | trogger | tga: like watching paint dry? |
| 07:37.28 | Tr0||_DX | tga: your a sicko men |
| 07:38.01 | tga | killer app for p2p distributed processing :) |
| 07:38.08 | Tr0||_DX | do it on your ti83+ like me |
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| 07:38.19 | Tr0||_DX | z80 processor |
| 07:38.30 | tga | lame, I've got an HP48G+ |
| 07:38.35 | Tr0||_DX | :( |
| 07:38.43 | tga | RPL all the way \0/ |
| 07:38.45 | Tr0||_DX | wish i had one |
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| 07:39.06 | reamtS | What do you guys recommend for dhcpd? |
| 07:39.07 | tga | I got mine cheap from a local guy.. probably nobody else wanted it |
| 07:39.14 | Tr0||_DX | but i got to play joltima on mine |
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| 07:39.30 | crlsmarc | i need hel installing xfce4 |
| 07:39.31 | Tr0||_DX | yeah they are weird , but powerfull |
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| 07:39.37 | Tr0||_DX | my friend had one |
| 07:39.39 | tga | Tr0||_DX: seriously now, this HP is slow as hell, TIs are faster |
| 07:40.00 | trogger | ti89 is surely the only way to go ?!? |
| 07:40.02 | tga | reamtS: I'm using dnsmasq for dhcp and dns forwarding.. it's nice and small |
| 07:40.02 | Tr0||_DX | yeah but the way you input thing on th hp is interesting |
| 07:40.09 | crlsmarc | HI, I need hel installing xfce4 can someone help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 07:40.11 | tga | trogger: it doesn't do RPN |
| 07:40.17 | Tr0||_DX | spammer |
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| 07:40.24 | Joris | (a bit offtopic) is it possible to inter-operate between pgp and gpg? and if so, what settings should I use for key generation? |
| 07:40.33 | trogger | though there are better calculators... *matlab* <ahem> cough. |
| 07:40.35 | tga | crlsmarc: that's not very likely to get you much help.. a kick maybe |
| 07:40.39 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: do not do that again. |
| 07:40.43 | trogger | the calculator to end all calculators. |
| 07:40.49 | crlsmarc | sorry |
| 07:40.50 | Coke | crlsmarc: yes, if someone here knows anything about xfce4 I'm sure they will help. |
| 07:40.57 | crlsmarc | but no one can't rad me |
| 07:41.03 | tga | crlsmarc: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 07:41.09 | Tr0||_DX | lol |
| 07:41.14 | crlsmarc | y type that |
| 07:41.15 | nxvl | Coke: the problem is not exactly with xfce4, it is with apt-get |
| 07:41.16 | crlsmarc | and says |
| 07:41.29 | tga | xfce4 install apt-get |
| 07:41.30 | Coke | nxvl: the guy asked for help on xfce4 |
| 07:41.31 | crlsmarc | some packages could not be installed |
| 07:41.34 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: paste the complete output using the paster bot or #flood |
| 07:41.39 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 07:41.39 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 07:41.41 | Tr0||_DX | if you could just make a apt-get install xorg ...... |
| 07:41.57 | tga | Tr0||_DX: it's called Ubuntu :) |
| 07:41.58 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: you can. read /topic; see the unofficial xorg repository. |
| 07:42.01 | nxvl | Coke: i know, y have read, but im telling u wath is the exactly problem, is his first time using linux :P |
| 07:42.05 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: however, we do not support it here. |
| 07:42.06 | Tr0||_DX | mmmm |
| 07:42.22 | crlsmarc | yeah |
| 07:42.32 | trogger | how does the paste bot work?? |
| 07:42.36 | Coke | nxvl: exactly = some problem with apt-get ? |
| 07:42.47 | Coke | oh, well, I'm sure he'll paste the logs and someone will help |
| 07:42.47 | trogger | tga: what advantage does ubuntu have over debian? |
| 07:42.47 | dondelelcaro | trogger: visit the link dpkg gave. |
| 07:42.51 | nxvl | Coke: and hi is in text mode |
| 07:42.55 | trogger | dondelelcaro: which I did |
| 07:42.57 | Tr0||_DX | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.59 | Tr0||_DX | muhahaha |
| 07:42.59 | Coke | nxvl: so am |
| 07:43.04 | Coke | nxvl: so am I |
| 07:43.08 | tga | trogger: cool chick in the gdm theme |
| 07:43.08 | dondelelcaro | trogger: then you know how it works |
| 07:43.11 | nxvl | Coke: no, i have help him, but now i didn't know wath to do :P |
| 07:43.17 | paster | "trogger" at 222.152.218.13 pasted "Testing" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/284 |
| 07:43.25 | trogger | dondelelcaro: now I know :) |
| 07:43.40 | crlsmarc | can someone help with that? |
| 07:43.55 | crlsmarc | i'm new to linux |
| 07:43.56 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: only if you paste your logs using the paster bot or #flood |
| 07:44.05 | Tr0||_DX | omg are they gonna ever release this game |
| 07:44.05 | crlsmarc | what |
| 07:44.10 | crlsmarc | how do u do that? |
| 07:44.12 | Tr0||_DX | if they do your guy are fuck |
| 07:44.16 | paster | "jcoiron" at 81.80.130.125 pasted "testing paste bot" (198 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/285 |
| 07:44.32 | dondelelcaro | if you must munge with the paster bot, don't select a channel |
| 07:44.33 | Coke | crlsmarc: do you know "copy & paste" ? |
| 07:44.40 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: ha. lots of improbable things, inside and outside debian, will have to happen when DNF is released |
| 07:44.42 | nxvl | dondelelcaro: he's new in linux, it his first time, and hi is in text mode, donde ask to much |
| 07:44.44 | jcoiron | err, sry about the announce |
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| 07:44.51 | nxvl | dondelelcaro: explain him how to do that |
| 07:45.03 | crlsmarc | please |
| 07:45.04 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: it'll be like if hell ever freezes over. much chaos will ensue as everything improbable in the world will suddenly happen |
| 07:45.11 | dondelelcaro | yeesh |
| 07:45.16 | Coke | from console you need a special daemon to copy/paste |
| 07:45.19 | Tr0||_DX | right |
| 07:45.19 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: /join #flood |
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| 07:45.28 | crlsmarc | ok |
| 07:45.34 | Coke | crlsmarc: what exactly is it you want to do with Debian? |
| 07:45.46 | Tr0||_DX | like they said dos until hell freeze over when they release win3.1 |
| 07:45.52 | Tr0||_DX | ... |
| 07:46.05 | nxvl | Coke: he has edit the sources.list from woody to sarge |
| 07:46.08 | trogger | tga: was that the extent of the advantages of ubuntu ;) ? |
| 07:46.12 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: then apt-get install xfce4 > tempfile; apt-cache policy >> tempfile; then in your irc client, /exec -o cat tempfile |
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| 07:46.21 | nxvl | Coke: upgrade his system, and the the error apears |
| 07:46.34 | tga | trogger: afaik ubuntu/hoary is basically sid with some brown icing on top |
| 07:46.36 | crlsmarc | thats hard |
| 07:46.44 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: life's hard. |
| 07:46.44 | Coke | crlsmarc: switch to mandrakwe |
| 07:46.47 | Coke | crlsmarc: switch to mandrake |
| 07:46.48 | Roey | hello. How can I tell what the hell my computer is doing? it's writing to the disks regularly. Is there any way to probe for write()s ? |
| 07:46.57 | Tr0||_DX | ? |
| 07:47.06 | nxvl | Coke: MDK sucks |
| 07:47.08 | trogger | Roey: what filesystem ? |
| 07:47.13 | Tr0||_DX | mandrake do suck |
| 07:47.16 | dondelelcaro | Coke: don't randomly suggest crappy distributions to people, please. |
| 07:47.19 | Tr0||_DX | its nooby land\ |
| 07:47.41 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're willing to personally help them with whatever problems they end up having) |
| 07:47.44 | crlsmarc | ok so how do i do that again? |
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| 07:47.45 | Roey | trogger: XFS with RAID1 |
| 07:47.46 | Tr0||_DX | its like sugering to people to install fc |
| 07:47.58 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: use your scrollback buffer, and see what I said. |
| 07:48.11 | maher | Roey: you seem to be using a journally filesystem |
| 07:48.16 | crlsmarc | whats a scrollback b.? |
| 07:48.16 | Zta | Hmm... Aparrently ATI only release graphics drivers as RPM. How do I install this most painlessly? |
| 07:48.20 | dondelelcaro | crlsmarc: if you're using irssi-text (which you should be) just use the pageup key |
| 07:48.33 | Roey | trogger: Actually, I ran strace -p <xchat's pid> 2>&1 | grep write and I see that it is writing \0 every tenth of a second to fd 3 and 6 |
| 07:48.41 | Roey | maher: well yes |
| 07:48.42 | crlsmarc | oh my god thats cool |
| 07:48.50 | trogger | Zta: see this link: http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html&e=9901 |
| 07:48.56 | trogger | ok not that one. |
| 07:48.56 | crlsmarc | i don't get it |
| 07:49.00 | Roey | maher: I didn't know that journallying filesystems write constantly even when the system is mostly idle! |
| 07:49.08 | trogger | Zta: this one: xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/ debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 07:49.13 | maher | Roey: journalling == writes to disk regularly |
| 07:49.15 | ZyX | is there a possibility to clear all g and o permission bits of a file without touching the u bits when using numeric mode? (=equivalent to chmod go-rwx) |
| 07:49.16 | trogger | as in http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/ debian/fglrx-installer.html ... sorry everyone |
| 07:49.23 | Zta | trogger, thanks! |
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| 07:49.42 | dondelelcaro | ZyX: yes, but it's non trivial. Better to use symbolic modes |
| 07:49.49 | Roey | maher: even when the system is idle?? |
| 07:49.54 | itga | Hi, All |
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| 07:50.13 | Tr0||_DX | even |
| 07:50.15 | itga | Can anyboby Instal Debian With Promise PDC20378 RAID |
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| 07:50.24 | Tr0||_DX | your using reiser ? |
| 07:50.28 | ZyX | dondelelcaro, could you tell me the non-trivial method (if its one command) |
| 07:50.42 | maher | Roey: dunno about xfs but ext3 writes to disk every 5 secs |
| 07:50.43 | Roey | Tr0||_DX: xfs ;) |
| 07:50.47 | Roey | maher: oh really! ok |
| 07:50.50 | Roey | maher: thanks then! |
| 07:51.07 | dondelelcaro | ZyX: it isn't one comand. You stat, you &, you |, then you chmod. |
| 07:51.07 | Tr0||_DX | i use reiser its not bad |
| 07:51.07 | Roey | maher: is there a way to strace kernel stuff? |
| 07:51.17 | dondelelcaro | ZyX: what exactly are you trying to do anyway? |
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| 07:51.35 | ZyX | i was just curious :) but i'll stick to symbolic mode.. |
| 07:51.37 | trogger | Roey: and you can change this in /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs etc. |
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| 07:51.49 | Roey | trogger: oh, thanks :) |
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| 07:53.02 | ugenn | how can i get fc-cache to pick up a converted pcf font (was originally a windows bitmapped .fon file) so that it can be used in KDE? |
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| 07:54.29 | Roey | trogger, maher: thanks guys |
| 07:54.36 | crlsmarc | exit |
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| 07:55.05 | Tr0||_DX | damn i hate your policy regarding xfree |
| 07:55.20 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: what about it? |
| 07:55.44 | Tr0||_DX | if i do hack in id and get you a copy of dnf would you reconsider adding xorg |
| 07:55.45 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
| 07:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: what the hell are you on about? Read what dpkg told you. That explains when xorg will go in, and why it isn't in yet. |
| 07:56.45 | Tr0||_DX | well it keep me in console on a freaking p4 as the damn x server is too dumb to recognise my card |
| 07:56.54 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: "policy regarding xfree"? what policy is this? |
| 07:57.02 | Tr0||_DX | when you get a copy of duke nukem forever |
| 07:57.16 | jm_ | well that's your fault for having a shitty card ;) |
| 07:57.17 | peterS | oh, *that* policy |
| 07:57.21 | Tr0||_DX | so basiclly your asking me to hack in id soft to get a pre alpha of the game |
| 07:57.25 | Tr0||_DX | right ? |
| 07:57.34 | peterS | yes. yes, that's the requirement. |
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| 07:57.43 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
| 07:57.45 | r4v3n | lol |
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| 08:01.35 | DrDrew | Hey, maybe you all can help. I've tried looking over the documentation, and I can't seem to understand how I can connect to another computer (non-Linux; XP Pro) to pull a file from it. Is this even possible, or am I going after a 'golden fleece?' |
| 08:01.59 | peterS | DrDrew: to connect to XP, install 'smbclient' and use that |
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| 08:02.57 | jm_ | DrDrew: or linneighborhood or other GUI front-ends (konqueror can also do this) |
| 08:03.20 | Tr0||_DX | smb you noob |
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| 08:03.37 | Phated | Lot of nerve calling someone a noob with a nick like that. |
| 08:03.46 | Tr0||_DX | you need a recent smb too for it to work with xp |
| 08:03.52 | peterS | Phated: heh |
| 08:03.54 | DrDrew | I've had Debian for a week. ;) |
| 08:03.59 | Tr0||_DX | older samba doesnt do cifs |
| 08:04.03 | Tr0||_DX | k |
| 08:04.13 | jm_ | he needs smbclient, not samba |
| 08:04.19 | Phated | peterS: <shrug> Hasn't he been around for ages with some issue of some kind? |
| 08:04.20 | Tr0||_DX | just install samba and set a worgroup name |
| 08:04.36 | Tr0||_DX | i think debian ask for this authomaticlly |
| 08:04.55 | Tr0||_DX | linux will remain linux |
| 08:04.55 | Tr0||_DX | :P |
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| 08:05.52 | Phated | My, my, what a very big |337 you have, Grandma. |
| 08:06.07 | ArtVandalae | Once you go Debian you can never go back. Imagine with the release of Sarge, i reckon popularity will sky rocket |
| 08:06.23 | s3itz | hmm? |
| 08:06.28 | Tr0||_DX | well i used suse for a yesr and it was great |
| 08:06.29 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 08:06.35 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: geez, track down the ubuntu build of it already |
| 08:06.42 | Tr0||_DX | ? |
| 08:06.47 | Phated | I got nothing against SuSe. The installer was really slick. |
| 08:06.51 | Tr0||_DX | ubuntu sound african to me |
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| 08:06.58 | s3itz | I don't think I've used anything other than sid |
| 08:07.00 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: the ubuntu build of xorg might not integrate *properly* into debian, but neither will your self-compiled one. the ubuntu one has a better chance of working well |
| 08:07.01 | Tr0||_DX | yeah yast rock |
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| 08:07.10 | streuner | haha |
| 08:07.18 | PerfDave | Yeah, then come back and bitch about how mixing packages between Debian and Ubuntu fucked your system, just like everybody else does... |
| 08:07.28 | Tr0||_DX | lol |
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| 08:07.30 | Phated | No, I was just talking about the -really- pretty install screen. I didn't go further than that. |
| 08:07.36 | mwilson | PerfDave: Like the cluebie that was here this morning. |
| 08:07.45 | Tr0||_DX | well suse is really stable |
| 08:07.45 | streuner | Tr0gd0r: you should change your nick that everybody see what you here doing ... :-) |
| 08:08.06 | Tr0||_DX | Tr0gd0r ????? |
| 08:08.06 | streuner | Tr0||_DX: ^^ |
| 08:08.10 | ArtVandalae | I don't like SuSE's installer, it's just so... plastic, and it feels really sluggish |
| 08:08.13 | peterS | Tr0||_DX: as dondelelcaro said earlier, we don't support ubuntu here. but I'd definitely recommend the ubuntu xorg packages instead of compiling your own |
| 08:08.34 | tga | what do I have to change in /etc/pam.d/ssh to enable pam_opie? |
| 08:08.40 | mwilson | ArtVandalae: And of course you install it SO often that the installer's "sluggishness" is actually an issue. |
| 08:08.43 | dondelelcaro | who cares about installers? you use them for like ~2-5 minutes, then you're actually running the distribution |
| 08:08.53 | Tr0||_DX | well i compilled my own in fc1 fc2 fc3 suse 9.1 suse 9.2 and they all worked fine what so different about sarge |
| 08:08.57 | tga | I added an 'auth sufficient pam_opie.so' but it doesn't do anything |
| 08:09.09 | DrDrew | Alright. Now that I have smbclient...how do I use it? |
| 08:09.17 | Phated | What, you went through -that- many distros? They can't have worked that well. |
| 08:09.22 | peterS | tga: add an 'auth required' line for that - see /etc/pam.d/common-auth for the syntax |
| 08:09.24 | Tr0||_DX | i never installed my suse more than one time it never crashed |
| 08:09.25 | PerfDave | DrDrew: man smbclient |
| 08:09.32 | ZyX | in xterm, i'd like to disable the keybindings for alt-b, alt-f, alt-p so that i can use the bash-functions associated. where is the place to start searching? xmodmap -e 'keycode 33 = p P' in the xterm didnt change anything, and .inputrc on the machine where i issue xterm on didnt do the job either.. strange enought, xmodmap changed the keymap.. xmodmap -pke|grep ' 33', but i still get that strange đ character when doing alt-p |
| 08:09.32 | DrDrew | Merci |
| 08:09.36 | Tr0||_DX | no they cant fc suck |
| 08:09.37 | DrDrew | Should have thought of that. Heh. |
| 08:09.43 | Tr0||_DX | its crashy like winblows |
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| 08:09.46 | peterS | tga: check the pam docs for 'sufficient' vs. 'required' - it's pretty confusing stuff |
| 08:09.48 | PerfDave | As long as you compile stuff in /usr/local, you'll be fine. |
| 08:09.50 | jm_ | tga: you have examples in /usr/share/doc |
| 08:09.56 | peterS | tga: confusing enough that I'm not sure *I* really understand it |
| 08:10.00 | tga | cool, I'll go read up |
| 08:10.04 | DrDrew | PerfDave: Thank you. |
| 08:10.26 | Tr0||_DX | well xorg got something to compille only in the folder it is in |
| 08:10.45 | Tr0||_DX | build nothing outside project root or something |
| 08:10.51 | PerfDave | Tr0||_DX: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 08:10.53 | Tr0||_DX | that work great |
| 08:11.01 | mwilson | xterm has keybindings? |
| 08:11.22 | Tr0||_DX | dont have enough space in /usr/local :P |
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| 08:11.31 | peterS | mwilson: sure. through X resources. I forget the key or the syntax as I haven't used this in a long time |
| 08:11.34 | Tr0||_DX | lol got a compil bin on one of the network pc |
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| 08:11.37 | jm_ | yes, you can rebind lots of stuff in it |
| 08:12.18 | mwilson | peterS: I should have said, to alt keys? Of course, xterm has the Translations resource, same as any other xaw widget. |
| 08:12.26 | Tr0||_DX | men i installed suse 9.2 on a pc 5 month ago and i never rebooted it since |
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| 08:12.38 | PerfDave | Tr0||_DX: So you've got kernel holes then? :) |
| 08:12.53 | Tr0||_DX | kernel hole ? |
| 08:13.01 | Tr0||_DX | lol i guess |
| 08:13.05 | Tr0||_DX | lol |
| 08:13.11 | PerfDave | Tr0||_DX: It's pretty clear that you don't understand what you're doing when it comes to computers. |
| 08:13.12 | Tr0||_DX | never thaugh of that |
| 08:13.19 | tga | do I need to restart anything after making changes in pam.d/ssh ? |
| 08:13.34 | PerfDave | tga: You may need to restart your sshd. |
| 08:13.45 | tga | I tried, it's still ignoring me :\ |
| 08:13.52 | streuner | what the fuck is happing here today, is everybody sleeping? this troll fool us! |
| 08:13.55 | Tr0||_DX | am in university in programation you jack ass dont tell me i dont know about pc |
| 08:14.07 | PerfDave | tga: Turn up the logging on the sshd, check /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 08:14.09 | Phated | "programation". |
| 08:14.14 | Phated | I rest my case. |
| 08:14.14 | mwilson | Uh, it DOES seem rather obvious. |
| 08:14.25 | Tr0||_DX | i speak french btw |
| 08:14.31 | Tr0||_DX | so my english do suck |
| 08:14.31 | mwilson | So? |
| 08:14.33 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 08:14.43 | scarynetworkguy | !french |
| 08:14.43 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:14.58 | PerfDave | Tr0||_DX: I'm basing my opinion on what you say, not what qualification you claim to be studying for. |
| 08:15.06 | Tr0||_DX | oh well i wont go speak with a bunch of french they are so anoying |
| 08:15.13 | Tr0||_DX | .... |
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| 08:15.28 | Tr0||_DX | damn do i look that dumb |
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| 08:15.41 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: your nick certainly isn't helping your cause. |
| 08:15.45 | Phated | You don't want us to answer that, really. |
| 08:15.54 | PerfDave | Tr0||_DX: No, you look dumber than that. |
| 08:15.56 | scarynetworkguy | I think we should. |
| 08:15.59 | Tr0||_DX | well that kinda explain the burned state of my brain |
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| 08:16.43 | streuner | argh, that explains it |
| 08:16.57 | Phated | You sure you didn't get a lobotomy as well? |
| 08:16.59 | DrDrew | Thanks a lot for you help guys. G'night! |
| 08:17.09 | Tr0||_DX | that am not sure |
| 08:18.03 | Tr0||_DX | i would blame it on tv tho for making my brain into a puddle |
| 08:18.33 | guru | where do i set my default name server? |
| 08:18.39 | dondelelcaro | guru: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:18.43 | guru | is it /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:18.45 | guru | ahh thanks |
| 08:19.00 | Tr0||_DX | /etc/host.something |
| 08:19.24 | dondelelcaro | no, it's not /etc/hosts or /etc/host.conf |
| 08:19.25 | guru | do i need to restart networking for changesto take effect? |
| 08:19.27 | tga | pam_opie doesn't seem to be kicking in, even if it's the only required one for auth |
| 08:19.35 | dondelelcaro | guru: no, you don't. |
| 08:19.47 | guru | Tr0||_DX: those define how to resolve hostnames, not FQDN's |
| 08:19.53 | Tr0||_DX | k |
| 08:19.53 | guru | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 08:20.08 | dondelelcaro | guru: uh, /etc/hosts actually does specify your FQDN |
| 08:20.20 | dondelelcaro | but you were asking about DNS servers, not FQDNs |
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| 08:21.04 | tga | gah, stupid sshd privilege separation.. pam was turned off :\ |
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| 08:21.32 | guru | gah, no tracert |
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| 08:21.40 | guru | this day just keeps getting better and better |
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| 08:22.06 | mwilson | Gee, anyone else think we have a Windows kiddie here? |
| 08:22.15 | dondelelcaro | guru: it's traceroute, and it's in traceroute. |
| 08:22.25 | guru | ahh, well that wouldexplain it |
| 08:22.41 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: He's been whining that SuSe is better all day. |
| 08:22.46 | streuner | guru: apt-get install traceroute, tracert is windows, of course |
| 08:22.46 | dondelelcaro | oi vay |
| 08:22.59 | guru | windows kiddie? |
| 08:23.04 | Tr0||_DX | suse rock |
| 08:23.05 | tga | guru: apt-get install mtr-tiny |
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| 08:23.09 | guru | mwilson: you sure are quick to judge |
| 08:23.13 | mwilson | Then use SuSE. |
| 08:23.17 | Tr0||_DX | dont say the work in w again its evil |
| 08:23.18 | tarzeau | and i thought the weekend is over |
| 08:23.25 | dondelelcaro | guru: yes, it's quite obvious when you use tracert, since that's the 8.3 bastardization of traceroute |
| 08:23.34 | mwilson | guru: That I am, and I'm right more often than not. |
| 08:23.35 | cafuego | mwilson: What makes you think that advice would not go unheded now? |
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| 08:23.45 | guru | use suse? sure...better yet, why not fedora instead due to it's obviously stable history |
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| 08:24.02 | guru | mwilson: i hate to be the bringer of bad news but you are wrong on this one |
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| 08:24.14 | Phated | If the kid's telling us how -lovely- SuSe is... I'd love for him to go use it. |
| 08:24.17 | guru | i haven't had the need to trace a route in almost 4 years and 4 years ago i was using windows |
| 08:24.22 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
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| 08:24.40 | guru | Phated: it was sarcasm and i am not a kid |
| 08:24.40 | cafuego | Phated: it's got n0 sk|llz, so it requires yast. |
| 08:24.54 | cafuego | guru: We're NOT talking about you. |
| 08:25.01 | cafuego | !lart guru |
| 08:25.04 | guru | cafuego: my bad |
| 08:25.10 | Tr0||_DX | suse is great its stable and hassle free |
| 08:25.15 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 08:25.16 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@38-131.mg.cgocable.ca] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:25.16 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:25.21 | guru | bah, i have 1500 of those sitting in a box downstairs |
| 08:25.24 | dondelelcaro | Tr0||_DX: that's enough of the suse garbage |
| 08:25.24 | cafuego | !ops Tr0||_DX is trolling |
| 08:25.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Tr0||_DX is trolling |
| 08:25.29 | cafuego | doh |
| 08:25.33 | Phated | guru: I wasn't referring to you. |
| 08:25.35 | tga | how can I make pam echo my pam_opie password when I type it but hide the pam_unix one? |
| 08:25.38 | Phated | cafuego: Ah. |
| 08:25.44 | streuner | cafuego: too late :-P |
| 08:25.52 | cafuego | He didn't need much additional baiting either ;-) |
| 08:25.59 | peterS | tga: not sure if that's possible |
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| 08:26.10 | guru | suse isn't the worst distro out there though (not that i'm defending it or anything) |
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| 08:26.14 | Phated | guru: You're not a kid, but... You sure do need to work on grasping the subtle nuances of human communication. |
| 08:26.15 | peterS | tga: pam doesn't handle password prompts, it makes the pam-enabled app do that part |
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| 08:26.28 | guru | Phated: heh, i'm not a conversationalist ;) |
| 08:26.35 | Phated | Clearly. |
| 08:26.43 | tarzeau | guru: oh yes it is one of those (suse/novell), among others (redhat/fedora) |
| 08:26.50 | tga | peterS: oh well, I'll make sure to avoid typos then |
| 08:26.56 | peterS | guru: "not the worst" is no justification for "pimp this non-debian thing in a debian channel, ignoring requests to shut up about it already" |
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| 08:27.13 | guru | peterS: just stating my opinion |
| 08:27.34 | dondelelcaro | guru: it's fine that it's your opinion, but you don't need to state it in here. |
| 08:27.34 | egonw | ummm... can someone kick CRaCK... it seems a pron spam bot... |
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| 08:27.54 | cafuego | more joinbots? |
| 08:28.08 | guru | peterS: wasn't trying to continue an argument :) |
| 08:28.08 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, they keep showing up |
| 08:28.10 | egonw | thanx |
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| 08:28.22 | guru | dondelelcaro: on this channel or others as well? |
| 08:28.39 | dondelelcaro | guru: I don't care what you do on other channels. That's their baliwick, not mine. |
| 08:28.40 | tga | heh, freenode is the perfect place to advertise pr0n |
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| 08:29.13 | guru | dondelelcaro: i was refering to the join bots, and i wasn't trying to strike an argument. most channels are there for you to discuss, which is what i was doing |
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| 08:29.26 | streuner | tga: a bad place, which is even worse to playe one.... |
| 08:29.40 | guru | i had no idea that debian users had a god complex about debian being the best os in history, so my appologies indeed |
| 08:29.46 | streuner | s/playe/place/ |
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| 08:29.50 | tga | player one? |
| 08:29.57 | dondelelcaro | guru: joinbots always are around... most of them are already auto murdered, but some slip through. |
| 08:30.01 | Solet | guru: ROFL |
| 08:30.03 | cafuego | guru: it's not an OS, it's a distribution. |
| 08:30.13 | peterS | guru: we don't. it's probably not. now *you* are trolling. there's a difference between "OMG Debian is the One True Way" and "please don't talk about SuSE in here constantly, it's off-topic and annoying" |
| 08:30.14 | egonw | where can I post bugs for alioth.debian.org? that is the alioth server/website, not for one of the hosted projects? |
| 08:30.16 | dondelelcaro | guru: we could care less either way. It's just useless to discuss it one way or the other. |
| 08:30.32 | trogger | !rofl solet |
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| 08:30.42 | bintut | [OT] anyone here using Bay Networks Centillion 50 ATM Switch? |
| 08:30.52 | cafuego | bintut: /topic |
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| 08:31.19 | cafuego | just plonking [OT] at the front doesn't magically make it OK. |
| 08:31.20 | dondelelcaro | egonw: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/04/msg00236.html |
| 08:31.22 | guru | cafuego: technically yes it is a distro not an os, however to the new user debian is an os. fedora is an os. suse is an os (etc) |
| 08:31.44 | guru | in this day and age, os is a loose term defining a certain distro |
| 08:31.44 | cafuego | guru: Then the user is a retard and should go run Windows. |
| 08:31.52 | egonw | dondelelcaro: thanx! |
| 08:31.57 | Phated | cafuego: Harsh. |
| 08:32.10 | cafuego | Phated: Don't make me chop your legs off. |
| 08:32.12 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 08:32.20 | mwilson | Phated: But entirely truthful. |
| 08:32.22 | Phated | cafuego: Double care ya. |
| 08:32.25 | Phated | Er, dare. |
| 08:32.29 | trogger | l8r |
| 08:32.32 | Phated | mwilson: Truth hurts. |
| 08:32.37 | dondelelcaro | Debian is a project. Debian GNU/Linux is also a distribution. While Debian contains an OS, it is much more. |
| 08:32.38 | mwilson | Phated: Witness the idiots that show up asking questions about "Linux 3.1". |
| 08:32.39 | Phated | (I guess) |
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| 08:32.58 | Phated | mwilson: I've never seen one of those, actually. Thankfully. |
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| 08:33.09 | Solet | "linux 3.1"...... |
| 08:33.14 | cafuego | Phated: IF the forms come through ion time, i just might (provided it's not a direct flight to Kuala Lumpur) |
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| 08:33.18 | tga | debian should skip about 10 version numbers |
| 08:33.28 | guru | harsh indeed...presuming that you are smarter than everyone else is bad enough, but criticizing someone over something as blatently pointless as the term "os" only confirms that you are nothing more than an uneducated user yourself |
| 08:33.29 | zeeble | tga: heh |
| 08:33.31 | tga | then it will become Linux 13.1, the best one yet |
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| 08:33.51 | cafuego | Linux 3.11 for Workgroups |
| 08:33.55 | Phated | cafuego: Woo! :) |
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| 08:34.09 | cafuego | Phated: my axe is already packed. |
| 08:34.14 | dondelelcaro | tga: just drop the decimal point if it makes you feel better. |
| 08:34.21 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I find chainsaws work well |
| 08:34.21 | Phated | cafuego: I'll start sharpening my throwing knives. |
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| 08:34.32 | tga | dondelelcaro: perfect :) |
| 08:34.33 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Can't take fuel on a plane trip |
| 08:35.03 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hey, with a chainsaw properly wielded, mere "technicalities" don't apply. |
| 08:35.11 | guru | cafuego: i've illustrated my point and i'm not banned yet. and that's all i'm saying about it :) |
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| 08:36.28 | mwilson | Which B movie bad guy is it that uses a chainsaw? |
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| 08:36.33 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 08:36.39 | guru | Phated: scroll up around 20 lines or so :) |
| 08:36.39 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: quite a few... I like scarface, though |
| 08:36.47 | PerfDave | Don't Gentoo do a Microsoft and name their releases after years? We'd need Debian 3100 to be the best. |
| 08:36.52 | Phated | guru: I didn't see any point, really. |
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| 08:37.03 | PerfDave | Hehehehe, Gentoo in "aping Microsoft" shocker. |
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| 08:37.13 | Phated | mwilson: The guy in the Halloween movies? |
| 08:37.20 | guru | Phated: regarding the point of criticizing someone over the term "os" |
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| 08:37.50 | Phated | Oh, the one where you used it wrongly and was corrected. Right. |
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| 08:38.13 | guru | i can see that this is leading to /dev/null so i give up |
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| 08:38.48 | guru | Phated: so, in other words, debian is not an operating system? |
| 08:38.55 | scarynetworkguy | guru: Of course not. |
| 08:38.57 | Rambo3 | exaclty |
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| 08:39.05 | peterS | no, it's the Universal Operating System. just ask bdale. |
| 08:39.13 | Phated | Er... Is it? I use Linux. |
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| 08:39.23 | Rambo3 | http://www.geektown.se/tshirt_16_0.html |
| 08:39.24 | guru | so...what would you define as an operating system? |
| 08:39.37 | Phated | Er, GNu/Linux. |
| 08:39.52 | streuner | RMS is good |
| 08:40.08 | Phated | Not when he's about to cut my legs off for not saying "GNU/" before "Linux". |
| 08:40.32 | guru | Phated: is freebsd an operating system? |
| 08:40.34 | Rambo3 | you can skipp that linux too |
| 08:40.50 | PerfDave | If you're drawing the distinction between a kernel, an operating system and a distribution, it's important to differentiate between "GNU/Linux" and "Linux". |
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| 08:41.06 | PerfDave | Is there something wrong with using correct terminology all of a sudden? |
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| 08:41.14 | Phated | You know, I have no idea. -Is- FreeBSD an OS, or is it just BSD? |
| 08:41.18 | j_owens | guru, yes BSD is an operating system |
| 08:41.25 | guru | PerfDave: yes there is...i'm not the one who made the mistake this time so it's no big deal |
| 08:41.33 | dho | BSD is an acronym; FreeBSD is an operating system |
| 08:41.37 | dho | if we're going to be pedantic |
| 08:41.39 | guru | j_owens: i see...so freebsd is an operating system whereas debian is not? |
| 08:41.44 | Phated | Ah. Lovely, thank you. |
| 08:41.48 | PerfDave | FreeBSD is a distribution, in the Linux sense. It's a kernel, userspace and utilities. |
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| 08:41.58 | j_owens | debian is an operaing system, lol |
| 08:42.02 | guru | linux sense...what about common sense? |
| 08:42.11 | guru | j_owens: exactly my point |
| 08:42.11 | PerfDave | guru: Oh, shut up. |
| 08:42.27 | j_owens | lol |
| 08:42.29 | PerfDave | Common sense dictates that you use the same definitions as everybody else. |
| 08:42.41 | guru | PerfDave: thank you |
| 08:42.41 | dubbaluga | hi folks! i am using debian testing and have kde3.3.2 installed - some apps (like skype and licq) use old qt1 libs - so they look very uggly - what can i do, so that they use the newer qt libs (i think that that is the problem)? |
| 08:42.41 | dondelelcaro | Debian contains an operating system. It is not merely an operating system. |
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| 08:42.49 | peterS | BSD used to mean anything produced at UCB. it came to mean a specific line of Unix development |
| 08:42.50 | dho | I think the point that guru is making is that a distribution is referring to the distribution of a kernel with utilities |
| 08:42.53 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Debian contains several operatying systems. |
| 08:42.55 | martynas | what do you guys use to play mpg in debian ? |
| 08:43.05 | j_owens | does anyone know of any good debian forums? |
| 08:43.08 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: Debian the project, Debian GNU/Linux contains one... |
| 08:43.18 | j_owens | martynas, I use totem and xine |
| 08:43.18 | peterS | and geez. could we all stop doing the angels dancing on the head of a pin thing already? |
| 08:43.20 | dondelelcaro | j_owens: there are some, but most work is done on mailing lists |
| 08:43.20 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Indeed ;) |
| 08:43.20 | guru | dondelelcaro: now that i agree with...debian is more than an operating system; freebsd is more than an operating system...they are loosly called "operating systems" |
| 08:43.26 | dho | In context, the BSD family tree projects don't fall under that category since they're not shipping the same kernel with the same utilities. |
| 08:43.29 | streuner | dubbaluga: those libs are compiled into the apps itself... |
| 08:43.32 | j_owens | thank you dondelelcaro |
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| 08:43.39 | dho | I would call FreeBSD an ``operating environment'' |
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| 08:43.50 | guru | an operating system containsa kernel, drivers, and user utilities...therefore the term "operating system" applies to *any* distro out there |
| 08:43.52 | dubbaluga | streuner, so i can't do anything against it? |
| 08:43.56 | dho | And would call both FreeBSD and any Linux distribution an operating system |
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| 08:44.05 | dubbaluga | streuner, except a recompilation.... |
| 08:44.08 | PerfDave | !debian-fora |
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| 08:44.11 | bernouli | is there possible to send a fax with pc? |
| 08:44.15 | j_owens | an operating system would be anything that allows you to operate your system, correct? |
| 08:44.19 | dho | And it's pretty clear that nobody is listening anyway. |
| 08:44.19 | dondelelcaro | guru: and that's it. It doesn't include an MTA, a compiler, a debugger, an editor, nethack, etc. |
| 08:44.33 | dho | bernouli: Yes |
| 08:44.35 | guru | dondelelcaro: not by definition no, however the term would still apply |
| 08:44.39 | bernouli | dho, tell me what? |
| 08:44.40 | streuner | dubbaluga: hm, i use X-Chat 1.8.9, do you think i can just use GTK2.0 for that...? |
| 08:44.43 | PerfDave | dho: Oh, I broke out the /ignore ages ago |
| 08:44.45 | PerfDave | !debian fora |
| 08:44.45 | dpkg | debian fora is probably http://lists.debian.org/ http://www.debian-administration.org/ http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianplanet.org/ |
| 08:44.48 | dho | PerfDave: ;) |
| 08:45.04 | dondelelcaro | guru: this is just like saying that the solar system is earth because earth is contained within the solar system. |
| 08:45.06 | guru | i'm not trying to be a dick or anything but i'f i'm going to get flamed for something then i want to know why |
| 08:45.12 | dubbaluga | streuner, what do you mean exactly? |
| 08:45.13 | dho | Merriam-Webster states that ``forums'' is perfectly appropriate. |
| 08:45.19 | guru | dondelelcaro: that is something completely different |
| 08:45.25 | PerfDave | dho: Merriam-Webster can go fuck itself up its arsehole. |
| 08:45.26 | dho | dondelelcaro: No, it's not. |
| 08:45.45 | streuner | dubbaluga: if the coder hasn't designed it for that you are out of luck... |
| 08:45.47 | dho | Sorry, wasn't aware that we spoke Greek here. |
| 08:45.50 | dondelelcaro | guru: not from the definition that is used by people who are actually discussing operating system design et all. |
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| 08:46.10 | PerfDave | dho: Latin ;) |
| 08:46.19 | PerfDave | dubbaluga: Your best bet is to wait for versions of those apps compiled against newer qt libs. You can't compile skype yourslef becuase it's not open-source AFAIK. |
| 08:46.26 | dondelelcaro | guru: again, you're more than welcome to call it anything that you wish, but don't be surprised when people correct you. |
| 08:46.37 | guru | dondelelcaro: i use "operating system" as a loose term mening a set of software designed to control a computer |
| 08:46.37 | PerfDave | dho: Anyway, does M-W say that "fora" is *incorrect*? |
| 08:46.38 | dubbaluga | streuner, but in earlier times (with another distro) i used licq compiled against qt2 or qt3 |
| 08:46.48 | dho | PerfDave: No, it's just the second preference ;) |
| 08:46.54 | guru | dondelelcaro: correcting me is fine; flaming me is not |
| 08:46.54 | PerfDave | dho: I'm not really interested in trolls like guru, when terms like "operating system" are well-defined. |
| 08:46.57 | j_owens | guru, just drop it, lol, it really doesn't matter |
| 08:47.05 | PerfDave | dho: Hmm. I'd guess that the OED has "fora" first. |
| 08:47.14 | dondelelcaro | guru: all that has been done is you've been corrected. Regardless this is wildly OT |
| 08:47.14 | dho | PerfDave: *nods* the argument is old and worn out. |
| 08:47.31 | dubbaluga | PerfDave, i know, but when you look at the screenshots on their (skype.com) homepage - you'll see, that they use other (i think) qt-libs |
| 08:47.31 | guru | j_owens: yes it does. it's a matter of principal...when i get flamed for something as pointless as "operating system" it is entirely worth it |
| 08:47.37 | dho | wait |
| 08:47.40 | Rambo3 | so is the IE part of O.S. ? or is it just a myth |
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| 08:47.47 | guru | dondelelcaro: yes it is, however i wasn't simply "corrected" |
| 08:48.01 | dondelelcaro | please drop the whole operating system thing already. I won't repeat myself again. |
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| 08:48.28 | c4_ | hi |
| 08:48.28 | PerfDave | dubbaluga: Since Skype isn't packaged for Debian because it's non-DFSG, there's nothing Debian can do about Skype's appearance. |
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| 08:48.44 | dubbaluga | streuner, PerfDave , maybe a solution is a static binary with qt3.2 compiled in (what if every application would do that...) |
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| 08:49.12 | guru | dondelelcaro: concider it dropped. ban me to your heart's content, i really don't care. right is right andwrong is wrong. if you ban me for not listening when you tell me to drop it, fine by me because it is deserved. just don't ban me for trying to understand why i was being flamed :) |
| 08:49.18 | streuner | dubbaluga: try #debian-kde too |
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| 08:49.31 | PerfDave | dubbaluga: You can use strace to see which libraries are being loaded by an application. If licq in sarge is still using old Qt libs, you can file a bug about that. |
| 08:49.35 | smurfix | Anybody know if it's possible to update Plextor cd burner firmware with Linux? |
| 08:49.44 | dubbaluga | streuner, thank you, i'll give it a try! |
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| 08:49.54 | dubbaluga | PerfDave, that's an idea, i'll give it a try too :) |
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| 08:50.13 | stein | Does this work for anyone on latest sarge (kernel26) : mkdosfs -C -F 32 testimage2.1GB 2100000 |
| 08:50.16 | c4_ | i have download a propietary driver from ATI because glxinfo says that i have no glx, so i can load the kernel module from ATI now, replacing the radeon one, but it still nothing on glxinfo. what happend? |
| 08:50.48 | stein | smurfix: I believe it is. Look at cdrecord homepage, there is a tool for this. Or check plextors home page (doh). |
| 08:51.16 | streuner | stein: URL? |
| 08:51.22 | stein | www.google.com |
| 08:51.25 | stein | ;-) |
| 08:51.31 | c4_ | the file was an rpm, so i have to copy things by hand |
| 08:51.44 | stein | c4_ : tried "alien" ? |
| 08:51.50 | kreg | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 08:51.52 | dondelelcaro | !google for plextor bios update linux |
| 08:51.58 | CyzarX | chugga, u there? |
| 08:52.02 | dpkg | Google says plextor bios update linux is at http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/27021.html or http://nlug.org/smp/ or http://amazingtechs.com/index.php?showtopic=21133 or http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=378932 or http://mailman.pc-intouch.com/pipermail/cvale/2002-March/000426.html |
| 08:52.02 | c4_ | stein: yes, but "broken pipe" |
| 08:52.17 | PerfDave | c4_: What happened is that you used ATI. I think there's a Debian-safe way of installing flglrx but I don't now what it is, because I use nice sane nVidia stuff. |
| 08:52.21 | kreg | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 08:52.24 | cafuego | c4_: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 08:52.29 | cafuego | !qm_modules |
| 08:52.29 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 08:52.47 | c4_ | cafuego: cool! |
| 08:53.30 | c4_ | PerfDave: yeah!, i have had a nvidia and bought a ati cause i (past tense of think) it was "more compatible" |
| 08:53.42 | PerfDave | c4_: You fool! :) |
| 08:53.45 | cafuego | c4_: Sadly, this is not the case. |
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| 08:53.51 | stein | Can someone please try mkdosfs as I said above ? ( it only takes a few seconds and a few kilobytes ) |
| 08:54.10 | PerfDave | nvidia on Debian is nice and easy, thanks to module-assistant. And the drivers are better than ATI's propriatery drivers too. |
| 08:54.15 | CyzarX | there is a text file with a lot of information, one of the information is "00:10:DC:AF:AD:C7". how do i open this text file and assign 00:10:DC:AF:AD:C7 to a variable? im developing bash script |
| 08:54.36 | c4_ | PerfDave: i've saw ATI ati ati all places in the kernel config, so... well fool |
| 08:54.42 | c4_ | ?? |
| 08:54.53 | c4_ | well, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers, or |
| 08:54.54 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.05 | c4_ | what that means? |
| 08:55.08 | tga | CyzarX: what is the structure of the text file and what are you trying to extract out of it? |
| 08:55.10 | cafuego | c4_: 'ati drivers' is what you want. |
| 08:55.16 | PerfDave | c4_: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 08:55.17 | cafuego | !tell c4_ -about ati drivers |
| 08:55.35 | c4_ | cafuego: i have the ati driver |
| 08:55.46 | stein | If anyone decides to assist me on the mkdosfs issues, please MSG me ( lame irc client) |
| 08:55.48 | cafuego | c4_: You don't have the debianised instructions. |
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| 08:56.14 | c4_ | ok ok |
| 08:56.16 | c4_ | i see.. |
| 08:56.16 | kreg | can anyone help with this prob? i'm doing an ati also. depmod -ae fglrx.ko |
| 08:56.24 | kreg | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 08:56.35 | cafuego | kreg: Do I need to slap you? |
| 08:56.37 | c4_ | nop i don't have the debianised instructions |
| 08:56.38 | bob2 | !+qm_modules |
| 08:56.38 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 08:56.50 | gudi | install module-init-tools |
| 08:57.43 | kreg | sorry, thought QM_MODULES was a disabled kernel feature |
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| 08:59.25 | kreg | thanks cafuego |
| 09:00.24 | c4_ | DRI on the Mobility U1 works under Xorg. Wait for |
| 09:00.24 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.37 | c4_ | is better if i use Xorg? |
| 09:00.41 | cafuego | c4_: Do you have an U1? |
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| 09:00.48 | c4_ | damn! |
| 09:00.54 | tga | lol cafuego |
| 09:00.55 | c4_ | what is a U1? |
| 09:01.02 | cafuego | c4_: Then you don't, so no. |
| 09:01.04 | PerfDave | c4_: It's an ATI graphics card. |
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| 09:01.14 | cafuego | Notable one used in certain laptop.s |
| 09:01.15 | tga | it's a Sun workstation |
| 09:01.31 | c4_ | no, i have a stupid integrated radeon 9200 |
| 09:01.48 | cafuego | c4_: Then the notes for the U1 aren't useful now are they? |
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| 09:01.53 | c4_ | and im more stupid, my nvidia! sniff |
| 09:02.27 | c4_ | cafuego: ok, ok |
| 09:03.37 | c4_ | mmhhh... but (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed), how do i install an rpm under debian?, can i use the rpm downloaded from apt-get install rpm? |
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| 09:03.50 | tga | c4_: you use alien |
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| 09:04.09 | cafuego | c4_: apt-get install rpm. it's not hard. |
| 09:04.12 | c4_ | tga: but alien tells me "broken pipe"!!! |
| 09:04.13 | PerfDave | c4_: It seems that you don't need to install the rpm, you need to install the Debian package called "rpm". |
| 09:04.20 | photoguy41 | can someone tell me where the grub.conf file is? |
| 09:04.23 | cafuego | c4_: it tells you to install 'rpm' not 'an rpm'. |
| 09:04.29 | tga | photoguy41: /boot/grub |
| 09:04.32 | photoguy41 | ok |
| 09:04.33 | cafuego | photoguy41: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:04.41 | bob2 | "kind of blue" is a pretty pimp album |
| 09:04.43 | tga | ah, good point |
| 09:05.04 | c4_ | aah! ok ok |
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| 09:05.28 | cafuego | "kind of pimp" is a pretty blue album |
| 09:06.01 | photoguy41 | how would i set up dual booting when windows is my priamry slave HD? |
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| 09:07.39 | streuner | man lilo.conf? |
| 09:07.40 | bob2 | photoguy41: windows will be very unhappy about that |
| 09:07.51 | photoguy41 | really? |
| 09:07.54 | streuner | sure |
| 09:07.58 | photoguy41 | it doesnt like being second |
| 09:07.59 | bob2 | will that even work? |
| 09:08.00 | photoguy41 | ha |
| 09:08.07 | cafuego | WIndows will want a cpouple of MB of disk space on the primary master to use as C:\ or it will BSOD. |
| 09:08.08 | bob2 | I've never seen it work anywhere but o nthe first disk |
| 09:08.22 | photoguy41 | ok, well then ill switch back |
| 09:08.33 | photoguy41 | but how would i set it up to dual boot |
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| 09:08.48 | streuner | photoguy41: man lilo.conf |
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| 09:08.55 | photoguy41 | i ahve grub |
| 09:08.56 | bob2 | that's easy |
| 09:08.58 | photoguy41 | not lilo |
| 09:09.00 | cafuego | photoguy41: Just install lilo or grub to the MBR and add WIndows to their cfg file. (the installer will do that automagically) |
| 09:09.09 | bob2 | just install grub on the first disk and configure it to boot them in the config file |
| 09:09.16 | rixth | As this is the most friendly channel I know, can anyone help me with an off topic maths question? :) |
| 09:09.24 | cafuego | photoguy41: There are samples in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/ |
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| 09:09.28 | cafuego | rixth: 42 |
| 09:09.43 | photoguy41 | so windows would be on hd(0,0) and linux on hd (1,0)? |
| 09:09.48 | rixth | I have 4 letters, a, b, c & d, how many times can they be arranged differently? |
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| 09:10.01 | cafuego | rixth: 4! |
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| 09:10.09 | bob2 | rixth: how old are you? |
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| 09:10.13 | bob2 | ie what year |
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| 09:10.21 | cafuego | rixth: ie: 4 x 3 x 2 |
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| 09:10.29 | cafuego | bob2: help! |
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| 09:10.41 | bob2 | one more chance |
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| 09:10.42 | rixth | rixth: Year 11 so I'm 15 (this isn't actually for school, it's for a program I'm writing for my graphical calulator) |
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| 09:10.47 | valdyn_ | photoguy41: sure, windows has some limits iirc on which partitions to be on, linux has zero |
| 09:10.52 | cafuego | Tr0||_DX need skilling with a hammer |
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| 09:10.58 | rixth | I wrote it to myself. Duh. |
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| 09:11.06 | kreg | success |
| 09:11.10 | kreg | thanks |
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| 09:11.12 | kreg | that's a bitch of a job to install tho |
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| 09:11.22 | kreg | now i just need something 3D to use it |
| 09:11.33 | rixth | cafuego: thanks :) |
| 09:12.08 | cafuego | rixth: input = 4; do { result *= input--; } while (input); print result |
| 09:12.13 | bob2 | rixth: the keywords you're looking for if you want to find out more are "permutation" and "combination" |
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| 09:13.39 | Phated | Are we #math now, then? |
| 09:13.56 | cafuego | photoguy41: #algoritms |
| 09:13.57 | streuner | Phated: no - #homework :-P |
| 09:14.01 | cafuego | Phated too |
| 09:14.04 | Phated | streuner: Hehe. |
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| 09:15.18 | bob2 | how shit |
| 09:15.33 | bob2 | mp3 over SMB over 802.11b skips |
| 09:15.35 | bob2 | that's useless |
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| 09:17.23 | deadcat | bob2: 802.11b only good for surfing the web. |
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| 09:17.31 | bob2 | and getting my email |
| 09:17.41 | deadcat | (= |
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| 09:17.45 | bob2 | maybe I should make mpg321 cache more |
| 09:17.48 | protoloco | the wireless NETwork cards SMC are they compatible with linux ?? and the USB wireless optical keyboard and Mouse ? |
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| 09:18.05 | cafuego | int main(int c,char* v[]){int i=0,j=1;if(c!=2)return -1;i=atoi(v[1]);do{j*=i--;}while(i);printf("%d\n",j);} |
| 09:18.06 | bob2 | "smc" is not a chipset, afaik |
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| 09:18.19 | cafuego | rixth: Save that as fac.c, compile it, run it. |
| 09:18.36 | valdyn_ | protoloco: mice and keyboards should work just fine |
| 09:18.49 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 09:19.00 | cafuego | SlayerXP! = -1; |
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| 09:19.47 | protoloco | bob2, so what is the chipset ? |
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| 09:20.04 | possie | hi |
| 09:20.07 | SlayerXP | cafuego: Useless use of numeric ne (!=) in void context at line 1. |
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| 09:20.25 | cafuego | protoloco: That depends on the exact model and version of the card. |
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| 09:20.50 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Your compiler lies. |
| 09:21.00 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Disable -pedantic |
| 09:21.08 | SlayerXP | cafuego: never :) |
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| 09:21.53 | possie | i have a load of 170 an my desktop machine, but i can work on it pretty okee :-) i see alot of 'dead' 'df' processes |
| 09:22.05 | jm_ | that's why you have such big load |
| 09:22.22 | bob2 | load isn't very represntative |
| 09:22.26 | cafuego | Note that it can't handle 32! and over. |
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| 09:23.03 | WillySilly | I know this isnt the best place to ask, but whats a distro to put on my Toshiba e335 pocketpc? |
| 09:23.11 | cafuego | Add in: "if(i>=32)free(0x01);" |
| 09:23.22 | scarynetworkguy | WillySilly: Debian. |
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| 09:23.38 | streuner | WillySilly: uhm, you don't need to ask that here ;-) |
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| 09:23.57 | cafuego | pretty sigsegv :-) |
| 09:24.08 | streuner | WillySilly: the question is rather are you skilled enough when you get problems |
| 09:24.09 | WillySilly | debian on an xscale proc? |
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| 09:24.31 | cafuego | note 'when' not 'if'. |
| 09:24.44 | streuner | WillySkilly: does linux-laptop.net say something about? |
| 09:24.49 | kreg | trying to enable a 2nd display on my TV out now that my ATI driver work. anyone got an XF86Config-4 example? |
| 09:25.14 | streuner | !laptop |
| 09:25.14 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 09:26.25 | valdyn_ | WillySilly: xscale is arm it seems, so debian should run on it |
| 09:26.26 | reNegad3 | !lol |
| 09:26.26 | dpkg | lol is probably Loser On Line, good work renegad3, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
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| 09:26.47 | jsirucka | got a mouse in x that won't work |
| 09:26.49 | streuner | nothing on linux-laptop.net |
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| 09:27.05 | jsirucka | e.g sits in the bottom left cornet and can't move it |
| 09:27.21 | WillySilly | arms compatible |
| 09:27.23 | peterS | jsirucka: details, please. mouse type (plugged into PS/2 or USB port?), kernel version ('uname -r') |
| 09:27.40 | valdyn_ | WillySilly: http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux_xscale.html |
| 09:27.40 | jsirucka | peterS, usb and ps2 |
| 09:27.50 | jsirucka | kernel 2.6.10 |
| 09:27.54 | jsirucka | using a dell 8200 laptop |
| 09:27.57 | peterS | jsirucka: you can't plug a mouse into both a PS/2 port and a USB port at the same time |
| 09:28.15 | jsirucka | no tried either one and got the same results peters |
| 09:28.38 | peterS | jsirucka: you'll need to load the kernel module 'mousedev' if you haven't already. for a PS/2 port, also load the kernel module 'psmouse'. |
| 09:28.59 | jsirucka | peters they are loaded, as also usbmouse and usbhid |
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| 09:29.43 | peterS | jsirucka: you don't want both usbmouse and usbhid. pick one or the other (probably the latter). with usb you also need the host adapter driver loaded - 'uhci_hcd' or 'ohci_hcd' |
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| 09:30.20 | peterS | jsirucka: now also make sure "/dev/input/mice" is your mouse device in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, at least one "InputDevice" section |
| 09:30.30 | jsirucka | peters yes |
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| 09:33.31 | clown | I'm running sarge native and sid chrooted, including X and WindowMaker. Is there an easy way to get /dev/console from sarge available in the chrooted environment? I'd like to start xconsole... |
| 09:34.45 | clown | I tried mount --bind /dev /..../sid-chrooted/dev but that doesn't seem to do it... |
| 09:35.30 | valdyn_ | clown: cp -a /dev /.../sid-chrooted/ |
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| 09:36.02 | MorphDK | hey |
| 09:36.18 | MorphDK | i just did a minimal debian sarge netinstall.. |
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| 09:36.40 | MorphDK | is it possible to get xserver-xorg instead of xserver-xfree86? |
| 09:36.47 | MorphDK | and what about KDE 3.3? |
| 09:36.59 | darkskiez | read the topic |
| 09:37.00 | jm_ | MorphDK: read the topic |
| 09:37.04 | clown | valdyn_, which process is writing to /dev/console anyway? |
| 09:37.05 | cafuego | MorphDK: No and no. |
| 09:37.23 | cafuego | MorphDK: Specifically, they'll both NEVER be in Sarge. |
| 09:37.28 | valdyn_ | clown: syslog |
| 09:37.33 | darkskiez | why do you want xorg anyway |
| 09:37.43 | SlayerXP | darkskiez: because it's cool |
| 09:37.44 | darkskiez | just coz its cool ? |
| 09:37.44 | cafuego | darkskiez: leeter |
| 09:37.47 | tga | pretty transparency ;) |
| 09:37.57 | cafuego | transparency doesn't work very well. |
| 09:37.58 | valdyn_ | clown: look at /etc/syslog.conf |
| 09:37.58 | MorphDK | because of future updates..? |
| 09:38.10 | MorphDK | but i want transparency.. |
| 09:38.14 | SlayerXP | MorphDK: why? |
| 09:38.22 | clown | valdyn_, do you know why 'tail -f /dev/console' completely locks the keyboard up? |
| 09:38.23 | valdyn_ | !xorg debs |
| 09:38.23 | dpkg | xorg debs are at http://debian.linux-systeme.com, if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server |
| 09:38.24 | MorphDK | eyecandy ;) |
| 09:38.26 | cafuego | MorphDK: Do you want hardware 3D? |
| 09:38.26 | tga | MorphDK: http://www.apple.com/macosx/ |
| 09:38.42 | MorphDK | tga, if you pay.. |
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| 09:38.58 | darkskiez | get two monitors and two toilet rolls, attach to your eyes like a gecko and you can have transparancy and real 3d. |
| 09:38.59 | valdyn_ | clown: no idea, just use "cat /dev/xconsole" |
| 09:39.00 | tga | MorphDK: transparency comes with a price :) |
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| 09:39.15 | MorphDK | friendly people, huh? |
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| 09:39.17 | MorphDK | cya |
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| 09:39.37 | valdyn_ | clown: no point using tail -f on that |
| 09:39.38 | cafuego | You can't run both transparency AND 3d. transparency works, mainly, but will on occasion crash X (9hard) |
| 09:39.50 | darkskiez | hes gone anyway |
| 09:39.52 | darkskiez | scared him off |
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| 09:40.02 | tga | good old friendly #debian |
| 09:40.02 | cafuego | Hopefully to be neutered. he shouldn't breed. |
| 09:40.03 | clown | You really pissed him off... |
| 09:40.15 | darkskiez | just being honest |
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| 09:40.49 | cafuego | I've used Xorg for months and transparency for 3 days (then it go too irritating and I disabled it). |
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| 09:41.02 | clown | 'honest'? You might wanna ask the question why they are adding transparency to X in the first place... |
| 09:41.06 | valdyn_ | it looks up for my every few days |
| 09:41.08 | tga | I used transparency for 3 minutes |
| 09:41.11 | valdyn_ | it locks up for my every few days |
| 09:41.20 | tga | it works like crap on this 320M |
| 09:41.33 | valdyn_ | and i dont even use _any_ of the new features |
| 09:41.35 | cafuego | I'd rather have 3D than useless eyecandy that means I can't read the damn xterm. |
| 09:41.49 | cafuego | tga: If you don't have an nvidia card, don't even try. |
| 09:41.57 | tga | I guess transparency is good if the apps/wm actually use it for something useful |
| 09:42.08 | tga | I.. haven't seen any useful transparency so far |
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| 09:42.44 | tga | cafuego: no direct rendering for me :\ |
| 09:42.47 | jasonm | anyone around? |
| 09:42.51 | SlayerXP | jasonm: no |
| 09:42.55 | tga | jasonm: aren't you funny |
| 09:42.58 | cafuego | tga: My cats are addicted to 'atlantis'. |
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| 09:43.13 | jasonm | SlayerXP. hilarious |
| 09:43.21 | jasonm | tga, wasnt tryin to be |
| 09:43.21 | Jargon | that #gentoo isn't very friendly :-( |
| 09:43.25 | jasonm | haha |
| 09:43.35 | jasonm | quick question |
| 09:43.42 | tga | cafuego: what's atlantis? |
| 09:43.48 | jasonm | does sarge have s-ata support? |
| 09:43.49 | cafuego | Jargon: it's coz they have to wait for compilation to finish ALL DAY LONG. it makes them irritable. |
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| 09:43.51 | tga | cafuego: the web browser? |
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| 09:44.00 | cafuego | tga: screensaver (fishies!) |
| 09:44.07 | tga | ooh |
| 09:44.09 | cafuego | Jargon: Yes. Boot it with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 09:44.12 | SlayerXP | jasonm: that depends entirely on the kernel. |
| 09:44.25 | tga | I like xanalogtv :) |
| 09:44.35 | Jargon | cafuego: you need to work on your nick completion skills |
| 09:44.41 | tga | it's soo cool to see static on a laptop LCD |
| 09:44.41 | Jargon | :P |
| 09:44.52 | cafuego | Jargon: Since when? |
| 09:45.00 | Jargon | <cafuego> Jargon: Yes. Boot it with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 09:45.05 | SlayerXP | jasonm: hint: only send me private messsage if you're willing to pay my private consultancy fees. |
| 09:45.06 | Jargon | try typign the first 3 letters of the nick |
| 09:45.10 | Jargon | typing too. |
| 09:45.16 | jasonm | SlayerXP, i dont exactly know what that means, expand? |
| 09:45.29 | cafuego | jasonm: just the first one seems to work just fine |
| 09:45.31 | SlayerXP | jasonm: you sent me a private message |
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| 09:45.34 | aurax | hello |
| 09:45.40 | SlayerXP | jasonm: this means you wanted to talk to me in private |
| 09:45.55 | paulswm | Good .us morning cafuego, it's not still Sunday is it? :> |
| 09:45.58 | jasonm | SlayerXP, no i meant the kernal comment you made. |
| 09:45.58 | aurax | is there some kind of netinstall for woody like sarge ? |
| 09:46.00 | tga | SlayerXP: do you charge everyone who talks to you in private? |
| 09:46.07 | SlayerXP | jasonm: unfortunately due to restrictions on my time, I have to charge people who want private consultancy |
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| 09:46.20 | jasonm | SlayerXP, and what are your fee's? i need help. my paypal is max right now though, haha |
| 09:46.21 | cafuego | tga: That's standard procedure here. SlayerXP is a bargain, too. |
| 09:46.23 | jm_ | aurax: yes of course |
| 09:46.28 | SlayerXP | tga: if they want consultancy, yes. |
| 09:46.32 | aurax | where can i get it ? |
| 09:46.47 | cafuego | paulswm: monday night. Damn monday. |
| 09:46.49 | Hell-Man | Q? i am trying too set a jpg as background in fluxbox but it is´t showing... i read in the style file.. and it says bsetbg -f /usr/share/fluxbox/backgrounds/ghost.jpg .. but whene running that cmd i get command not found |
| 09:46.57 | Hell-Man | anyone have a ide |
| 09:47.00 | SlayerXP | jasonm: I charge 500EU per day or part thereof. cash or other cleared funds accepted. |
| 09:47.15 | jasonm | EU? |
| 09:47.29 | jasonm | euro? |
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| 09:47.34 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Is that legal tender where you live these days? |
| 09:47.49 | Kog | what is SlayerXP charging 500eu/day for? |
| 09:47.52 | SlayerXP | cafuego: no, but I might be off to switzerland for 6 months |
| 09:47.52 | inu | hell-man, try bsetroot it comes with fluxbox |
| 09:47.59 | SlayerXP | Kog: anything you like, pretty much |
| 09:48.03 | ricky_clarkson | Not much is legal tender here. |
| 09:48.03 | aurax | jm_, you know where ? |
| 09:48.05 | Hell-Man | inu oki .thx |
| 09:48.14 | jm_ | aurax: on the Debian CD page, there is a netinst ISO image (in fact, there are a few, but some may be harder to track) |
| 09:48.14 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Didn't theyd ecide they couldn't be in the euro-zone coz they wouldn't be properly neutral then? |
| 09:48.17 | Kog | SlayerXP, I have someone I need found and killed, care to help/ |
| 09:48.22 | Kog | sup ricky_clarkson |
| 09:48.28 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 09:48.31 | SlayerXP | Kog: depends who it is. |
| 09:48.36 | SlayerXP | cafuego: dunno |
| 09:48.38 | aurax | http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ <- good enough? |
| 09:48.40 | Kog | SlayerXP, some kid in LA |
| 09:48.40 | cafuego | Â |
| 09:48.41 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Mainly because the housing market in Britain is incompatible with the housing market in the rest of Europe. |
| 09:48.46 | jasonm | this has been worthwhile |
| 09:49.00 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Yes. Go metric, tards ;-) |
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| 09:49.10 | jm_ | aurax: yes |
| 09:49.12 | SlayerXP | Kog: no, I technically can't travel to the states. DMCA and all that |
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| 09:49.17 | ricky_clarkson | Nothing to do with metric. |
| 09:49.21 | aurax | koo |
| 09:49.23 | Kog | SlayerXP, doesn't stop anyone else |
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| 09:49.33 | tga | SlayerXP: technically you can't travel BACK from the States :) |
| 09:49.53 | cafuego | What, on account of being incarcerated? |
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| 09:50.09 | tga | that would make it hard to return, yes |
| 09:50.12 | SlayerXP | i here cuba is nice at this time of year |
| 09:50.20 | SlayerXP | hear |
| 09:50.25 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Cuba is always nice. |
| 09:50.29 | Kog | I sincerely doubt anyone is after you SlayerXP |
| 09:50.42 | cafuego | Kog: sussudio is. |
| 09:50.54 | Kog | whoever the hell that is |
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| 09:50.55 | aviation | SlayerXP, cuba is really nice this time of year |
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| 09:51.14 | tga | Kog (~kog@fbi.gov) has joined #debian |
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| 09:51.15 | aviation | i lived there for a year |
| 09:51.16 | aviation | . |
| 09:51.36 | streuner | long time ago? |
| 09:51.37 | Kog | tga, the only way I'll be working for the gov is if the NSA decided to hire me intstead of having me arrested |
| 09:51.42 | ricky_clarkson | I know quite a few people who have either spent time there or want to. Mainly salsa dancers. |
| 09:51.52 | anakin_z | do to chat her? |
| 09:51.58 | tga | Kog: don't rely on that happening |
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| 09:52.03 | Jargon | Hello |
| 09:52.06 | anakin_z | hi |
| 09:52.07 | ricky_clarkson | anakin_z: Eh? |
| 09:52.10 | Kog | tga, as you can tell, I wasn't planning on it |
| 09:52.11 | Active2 | hmm someone know how to change the hotplug stuff so that some modules are earlier loaded then others ? |
| 09:52.11 | Jargon | where can i get a crack for debian 1 |
| 09:52.11 | anakin_z | do u chat her? |
| 09:52.22 | ricky_clarkson | Jargon: ftp.warez.net |
| 09:52.31 | Jargon | i need an activation crack pls |
| 09:52.33 | cafuego | anakin_z: here? No. We discuss, abuse, insult and help. Not we don't chat. Ever. |
| 09:52.36 | Kog | paulswm, sunday's over... what's goin on? |
| 09:52.41 | ricky_clarkson | Jargon: ftp.warez.net |
| 09:52.42 | Kog | Jargon, leet hax will save you |
| 09:52.43 | tarzeau | !list |
| 09:52.44 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 09:52.44 | bob2 | Jargon: stop being an idiot |
| 09:52.50 | anakin_z | cafuego, wat about.... talk |
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| 09:52.55 | Jargon | bob2: excuse me? |
| 09:52.55 | cafuego | Jargon: Insert the cd into your anus. Big brown crack for ya. |
| 09:53.00 | streuner | Jargon: don't ask for cracks here, debian is free |
| 09:53.01 | Jargon | what is your problem sir |
| 09:53.05 | Jargon | no |
| 09:53.11 | Kog | Jargon, you're a very funny individual |
| 09:53.13 | bob2 | Jargon: www.debian.org, it's Free Software |
| 09:53.15 | Jargon | I have a version that has myPHP and mySQR in it |
| 09:53.17 | tga | Jargon: debian 3 is out in case you didn't know |
| 09:53.17 | bob2 | so you're stupid or trolling |
| 09:53.18 | Jargon | and it needs to be cracked |
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| 09:53.21 | siimo | !troll |
| 09:53.21 | dpkg | troll is, like, a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
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| 09:53.25 | bob2 | idiot |
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| 09:53.36 | siimo | ohhh look at the 2nd URL |
| 09:53.37 | Kog | rolling... trolling... one of them ;) |
| 09:54.07 | bob2 | wish the Troll Howto was still up |
| 09:54.08 | tarzeau | bob2: from kangoroo island , too :) |
| 09:54.09 | ricky_clarkson | Still can't find that damn 404. |
| 09:54.17 | Kog | ESRs jargon file changed didn't it? |
| 09:54.31 | cafuego | tarzeau: They tend to be stoned in SA. |
| 09:54.33 | bob2 | tarzeau: we eat kangaroo for dinner |
| 09:54.45 | streuner | haha |
| 09:54.48 | tarzeau | i was looking for that funny faq that was making fun of debian, but answering quite a few noob questions well |
| 09:54.49 | cafuego | if they're not cutting people into pieces |
| 09:54.57 | tarzeau | bob2: pooor kangorooooos |
| 09:55.06 | bob2 | cafuego: and storing themselves in barrels in old banks? |
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| 09:56.01 | Kog | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html is the real url |
| 09:56.27 | streuner | What's about the aporichties? |
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| 09:56.54 | bob2 | _NeoRa_uzer-: hi there |
| 09:56.56 | jm_ | dpkg, troll =~ s,entry/troll.html$,T/troll.html, |
| 09:56.56 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'entry/troll.html$', jm_ |
| 09:57.10 | aviation | . |
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| 09:57.24 | bob2 | bleh |
| 09:57.33 | bob2 | so not in the mood for spambots |
| 09:57.46 | jm_ | it looks like it doesn't like $ in there |
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| 09:57.53 | Kog | heh, are you ever? |
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| 09:59.13 | bob2 | DaRaT_DuA: howdy |
| 09:59.56 | jsirucka | swear this teleporting mouse makes me want to use windows more |
| 10:00.07 | bob2 | time for some vegemite toast |
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| 10:00.49 | trask | what shortcut keys do i use to change the resolutionsetting in gnome? |
| 10:01.04 | bob2 | there isn't one |
| 10:01.05 | tarzeau | trask: ctlr-alt-numpad+- |
| 10:01.12 | bob2 | unles you already have multiple ones configured |
| 10:01.14 | tarzeau | trask: but that's for X and not just gnome |
| 10:01.24 | trask | oki thanks :) |
| 10:01.33 | tarzeau | trask: that is not a feature of gnome! |
| 10:02.01 | trask | hmm.. its not working.. thought it was a thing that only KDE used.. im kinda new to gnome |
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| 10:02.12 | tarzeau | trask: it's not a feature of KDE either |
| 10:02.28 | trask | got a terminal open as well.. isnt there a command i can use? |
| 10:02.30 | jm_ | trask: <bob2> unles you already have multiple ones configured |
| 10:02.30 | tarzeau | trask: man XF86Config-4 |
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| 10:02.52 | jcoiron | in the Debian installation manual on "2.5. Memory and Disk Space Requirements" it's said that "You must have at least 32MB of memory and 110MB of hard disk space" but in the Debian Reference on chapter 3 it's said that "16MB: [is the] Minimum for reasonable console system." (DRAM) and that 4Mo is "Bare minimum for Linux kernel to function". I have an old P133 with 20Mo of RAM and a 6.4Go HDD, would you think this is enough to build a router/firewall/proxy |
| 10:03.34 | ArtVandalae | jcoiron, have a look at IPCop |
| 10:03.39 | ArtVandalae | i think yu need about 24Mb of RAM |
| 10:03.47 | ArtVandalae | *you |
| 10:04.07 | tarzeau | jcoiron: which manual is that? |
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| 10:04.21 | tarzeau | jcoiron: which debian do you want? |
| 10:04.32 | bob2 | jcoiron: sarge requires 32MB of ram to install |
| 10:04.33 | jcoiron | ok, I'll see what IPCop is, thx ArtVandalae |
| 10:04.35 | Nijan | Does exists sacred game for linux? |
| 10:04.36 | PerfDave | jcoiron: The installer requires more RAM than the system does to run eventually, IIRC. I've installed Woody on a box with 24Mb RAM without problems, mind. I suggest trying it and see what happens. |
| 10:04.43 | jcoiron | tarzeau: Sarge |
| 10:04.47 | tarzeau | jcoiron: forget it |
| 10:04.51 | jcoiron | ok :) |
| 10:04.59 | tarzeau | jcoiron: you want 32mb memory at least |
| 10:05.06 | PerfDave | jcoiron: Or install via debootstrap from a machine with more RAM, possibly. |
| 10:05.34 | ArtVandalae | jcoiron, http://www.ipcop.org/ |
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| 10:05.46 | jsirucka | think hotplugd has issues with my laptop |
| 10:06.02 | schizoschaf | jcoiron: http://fli4l.de/english/e_fli4l.htm |
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| 10:08.09 | darkskiez | right |
| 10:08.26 | darkskiez | i've got a problem with arps getting negatively cached |
| 10:08.29 | darkskiez | and my arp table getting full |
| 10:08.50 | darkskiez | the garbage collection kicks in once, then stops working |
| 10:09.03 | sml | arpwatch Version 2.1a11 for woody wont even start on two debian boxes I have tried it on. does anyone know if there is a bug with this package? |
| 10:09.21 | jm_ | sml: check BTS |
| 10:09.28 | sml | jm_: i have.. |
| 10:09.35 | mentor | negatively cached? |
| 10:09.40 | sml | jm_: I checked debians bug mailing lists via google... |
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| 10:09.51 | darkskiez | mentor, incomplete lookups are stored |
| 10:10.04 | sml | debian.bugs.* etc |
| 10:10.30 | yaboo | how do you stop a mouse that wants to sit in the bottom left corner and not come out |
| 10:10.35 | mentor | darkskiez: Which Linux version are you using? |
| 10:10.40 | darkskiez | mentor, 2.4.25 |
| 10:10.50 | paulswm | Kog: Sorry for delayed response, Sunday remark related to some SUnday type behaviour, hope you are not doing install again today :) |
| 10:10.51 | sussudio | yaboo: buy a cat |
| 10:11.01 | Kog | nope |
| 10:11.03 | mentor | darkskiez: Does the problem appear in other Linux versions? |
| 10:11.14 | Kog | now I'm avoiding crazy women that are stalking me |
| 10:11.25 | bob2 | Kog: just don't date them |
| 10:11.33 | bob2 | they really don't get sane afterwards |
| 10:11.45 | darkskiez | mentor, i'm not sure, but we have a lot of sites running on 2.4.25 where this is a problem |
| 10:11.49 | sml | yaboo: entice it with cheese |
| 10:11.50 | Kog | I didn't date her, hence the problem |
| 10:11.50 | kevinz | i modify files on an ftp server frequently, i wonder if there is a way to mount that directory on ftp onto my local machine? or if there is any method that can make the modification easier |
| 10:11.53 | mentor | yaboo: You probably need to se the right mouse protocol... |
| 10:12.07 | mentor | darkskiez: Only on Debian? |
| 10:12.15 | darkskiez | we only run debian |
| 10:12.30 | yaboo | mentor have the right mouse protocol |
| 10:13.40 | darkskiez | i'm testing it on 2.6.8 |
| 10:13.56 | sml | jm_: I could install it on our only non-debian box but its in a bad location to run arpwatch and so it wouldn't really be worth it. |
| 10:13.57 | resiak | omg wtf x crashes, sumthin bout nvidia |
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| 10:14.18 | mentor | darkskiez: Well, I would suggest trying a .29 Linux...this sounds like a Linux bug unless there are some things is /proc/ that you coudl tune... |
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| 10:14.27 | directhex|work | !smite resiak |
| 10:14.38 | resiak | directhex|work: Was I convincing? :) |
| 10:14.48 | darkskiez | mentor, there is the neigh stuff with the gc_blah[123] settings, they dont seem to help much |
| 10:15.00 | SlayerXP | kevinz: ftpfs |
| 10:15.03 | yaboo | now mouse stuck in the top right corner |
| 10:15.03 | jm_ | sml: well BTS is the standard place to check if bugs are known or not, and you also have info about submitting them there |
| 10:15.11 | mentor | darkskiez: I think this may be a question for linux-net or some such. |
| 10:15.20 | darkskiez | I can replicate it on 2.6.8 |
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| 10:16.17 | darkskiez | A small bash script can totally DOS a server without imposing a significant load. |
| 10:16.18 | kevinz | SlayerXP: cool!! |
| 10:16.25 | sepski | darkskiez, so you have increased your table size so it can contain all your possible arp entries ? |
| 10:16.42 | paulswm | kevinz: not quite sure what you're getting at. You can make ftp easier by using a graphical client like gftp to transfer files, but if you want to modify files directly then you need to have the directories on the server exported via nfs or samba |
| 10:17.04 | darkskiez | sepski: the possible entries arent the problem, its the fact that its using up space when hosts dont exist and wont release it. |
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| 10:17.08 | darkskiez | till it times out |
| 10:17.19 | darkskiez | sepski, what can i change to increase the space significiantly. |
| 10:17.31 | resiak | paulswm: Unless you use KDE, in which case it does all kinds of trickery to transparently do what you say you can't do :) |
| 10:17.33 | sml | jm_: it seems that some people have operational bugs with arpwatch however mine wont even start! even with -d option which should not cause it to fork and also should turn on debuggin. i'll contact the package maintainer. |
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| 10:18.08 | Ricky1 | Is embedding kvim in kmail as an editor supported in sarge ? |
| 10:18.17 | sml | s/to fork/to NOT fork. |
| 10:18.19 | kevinz | paulswm: ah, so there is no such ftpfs than can mount a ftp directory on remote server to local? |
| 10:18.30 | sepski | darkskiez, gc_thresh1 i belive, it's all in the manpage 'man 7 arp' |
| 10:18.30 | resiak | Ricky1: If KDE does it, then yes. Otherwise no. |
| 10:18.50 | Nijan | Hello, is possible to find a some log file of this channel? |
| 10:18.58 | darkskiez | sepski, ah, cheers |
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| 10:19.31 | Ricky1 | resiak: the kde folks say it's done in 3.3 but kde shipped with sarge in not helping me. |
| 10:19.37 | resiak | Ricky1: Install kvim? |
| 10:19.42 | sepski | darkskiez, the defaults are usualy to low for a big network |
| 10:19.45 | Ricky1 | resiak: done that.. |
| 10:19.53 | resiak | kevinz: lufs-source and lufs-utils might be what you're after. |
| 10:19.58 | resiak | Ricky1: I don't use it. #debian-kde? |
| 10:20.04 | Ricky1 | resiak: I want it to be embedded not open another window of kvim. |
| 10:20.15 | jm_ | sml: or debug it yourself if you have the needed skills |
| 10:20.20 | Ricky1 | resiak: thanks for the channel.. I was at the wrong place.. |
| 10:20.27 | resiak | Ricky1: I used to use it, and it worked fine for me. But that was a while ago. Sorry :) |
| 10:20.32 | darkskiez | sepski, its not a huge network but it does have a 16bit netmask, which causes the problem, when a virus type thing causes arp lookups on every address and fills the buffer with (incomplete) |
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| 10:20.46 | resiak | Ricky1: Oh, you might also want to check the BTS to see if anyone else has reported this bug. |
| 10:21.01 | Ricky1 | resiak: sure. |
| 10:21.05 | darkskiez | sepski, the garbage collector only seems to run once, then doesnt run again. |
| 10:21.12 | paulswm | kevinz: my response was old fashioned I guess, resiak says there is kde trickery and SlayerXP sayd ftpfs and I just saw the lufs packages, so I'll back out :) |
| 10:21.21 | ArtVandalae | How well are webcams supported under Linux? |
| 10:21.32 | SlayerXP | ArtVandalae: this well <-----------------------> |
| 10:21.37 | PerfDave | ArtVandalae: Depends on the webcam. Mine's fine. |
| 10:21.43 | resiak | paulswm: apt-cache search ftpfs is all I did :) |
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| 10:21.51 | paulswm | resiak: me too :) |
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| 10:21.57 | sepski | darkskiez, well i usualy have lots of ram, so i set the table so big it can contain an arp for every possible host, since usualy that is the case here |
| 10:21.57 | kevinz | paulswm: ha, nevermind |
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| 10:22.25 | ArtVandalae | SlayerXP, heh. I meant overall. Some hardware devices are better supported than others. |
| 10:22.25 | darkskiez | Sepski: cool |
| 10:22.25 | kevinz | resiak: ah great, thanks |
| 10:22.25 | SlayerXP | ArtVandalae: well, yes. as with every other class of hardware |
| 10:22.33 | sepski | darkskiez, that way it can also contain your incompleats... and you dont actualy have to run the collector. |
| 10:22.49 | resiak | kevinz: You have to build kernel modules. That all cool with you? |
| 10:23.08 | sepski | darkskiez, but then again that's just me, i may be loony, or just plain wrong, but it's been working for me so far |
| 10:23.08 | SlayerXP | ArtVandalae: i think you meant to ask "what's a safe chipset to buy when considering web cameras?" |
| 10:23.10 | kevinz | resiak: well, i just found it... why so difficult :S |
| 10:23.20 | SlayerXP | ArtVandalae: to which I would have answered "ov511" |
| 10:23.33 | kevinz | resiak: how can i start? or can i find some way other than mount |
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| 10:23.52 | sml | jm_: I've managed to sort it... you need to do create an empty arp.dat file in /var/lib/arpwatch before you run it the first time. why this is not created as part of the installation im not sure, why debian doesn't tell you this again im not sure, and why this is not documented anywhere in any of the debian scripts, like for example /etc/init.d/arpwatch, again im not sure :) |
| 10:24.05 | sml | jm_: its all good now.. lets see if i get any juicy info a week from now :) |
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| 10:24.32 | resiak | kevinz: What do you mean? Building kernel modules is not particularly difficult. You won't be able to do what you want without either kernel modules or KDE (which does all kinds of transparent trickery to allow you to do what you want if you use KDE apps). |
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| 10:24.41 | jm_ | sml: you can always submit it as a bug |
| 10:24.45 | broncorob | hi there |
| 10:24.54 | sml | jm_: I will. |
| 10:25.21 | kevinz | resiak: oh, i just don't want to do too much to my kernal. so how about the KDE apps, what's that? |
| 10:25.26 | broncorob | I have a manually configured kernel and I want to move to the debian testing-style kernel-image-2.4.27 + libdiscover combination, what would be the best way to do this? |
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| 10:25.53 | sml | i'll install reportbug |
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| 10:27.23 | resiak | kevinz: I understand (although I haven't used KDE for ages) that KDE's editors and whatnot load files through a variety of "ioslaves". There are ioslaves for things like ssh, so you can transparently edit files which are stored on a remote host you can ssh into. Of course, it actually _does_ this by copying it locally, and tranferring the replacement back when you save. |
| 10:27.55 | PerfDave | Fish! |
| 10:28.07 | ricky_clarkson | Fisheseses. |
| 10:28.20 | resiak | I am a fish. I am a fish. I am a fish. |
| 10:28.38 | ricky_clarkson | !esperanto |
| 10:28.38 | dpkg | well, esperanto is a common language, spoken by people all over the place... and it's the only spoken language that one guy sat down and made up. or "fortune -m 'USEFUL PHRASES IN ESPERANTO'" |
| 10:28.40 | PerfDave | fish:// is the Konqueror thing for accessing remote machines over ssh. |
| 10:28.42 | kevinz | resiak: ah, so can it also do that with ftp files? what's name of "KDE's editor"? |
| 10:29.14 | jm_ | GNOME/GTK apps support some of that too |
| 10:29.15 | resiak | kevinz: kate, kwrite, kedit, etc. |
| 10:29.29 | resiak | jm_: Never seen it work on Gnome :) |
| 10:29.43 | kevinz | wow, thanks, i am going to try them, thanks |
| 10:30.21 | jm_ | resiak: well enter http://www.bla.com/file in GTK open dialog someday |
| 10:30.44 | PerfDave | Or just don't use Gnome ;) |
| 10:30.46 | resiak | jm_: Well, I just tried sftp://my.remote.host/ into the open dialog and it doesn't play ball. So it doesn't workforme :) |
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| 10:32.25 | resiak | jm_: And doing what you just said in gedit puts a nice big RO on the tab. So it's useless... |
| 10:32.35 | resiak | jm_: (I mean, I didn't expect http:// to do any more) |
| 10:33.05 | tzafrir | I have a problem with the system clock: it seems to "hang" in a certain time. And occasionally it jumps forward about 72 minutes |
| 10:33.08 | ricky_clarkson | Try it from nautilus, I suppose. |
| 10:33.17 | jm_ | resiak: there are other backends too |
| 10:33.45 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: You can mount remote partitions via ssh. shfsutils |
| 10:33.53 | Kog | speaking of editors... ricky_clarkson did I hear incorrectly that Slava isn't working on jEdit anymore? |
| 10:34.02 | ricky_clarkson | Kog: No idea. |
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| 10:34.24 | tzafrir | I've never seen such a thing. Already killed the ntp process, and still this problem continues. Any idea for what else will play with the system clock? |
| 10:34.24 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: I don't want to do it :) |
| 10:34.24 | Kog | ricky_clarkson, rr |
| 10:34.24 | martynas | why is it that i have php4 installed through apt-get but there is no /usr/bin/php or /usr/bin/php4 ? |
| 10:34.30 | ricky_clarkson | tzafrir: Won't the ntp process restart if you kill(1) it? |
| 10:34.34 | juhov | martynas: php4-cgi |
| 10:34.57 | tzafrir | ricky_clarkson , I don't see any process called /ntp/i |
| 10:35.20 | martynas | juhov: hmm..ill look into it thanks |
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| 10:35.38 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: Why? |
| 10:35.40 | alchem1st | considering writing a fs for linux, trying to decide between userspace and kernel based using VFS API, can anyone offer a reason for and against each? |
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| 10:36.15 | ricky_clarkson | alchem1st: I'm uneducated here, but wouldn't userspace ones be easier to install and test? |
| 10:36.17 | tzafrir | alchem1st , read about FUSE |
| 10:36.35 | tzafrir | debates around it will give you the relevant arguments |
| 10:36.36 | alchem1st | tzafrir: cheers |
| 10:36.43 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: I was answering the question, not answering it. |
| 10:36.51 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: One of those should be asking. |
| 10:36.55 | Kog | haha |
| 10:37.07 | Kog | resiak, you related to dan quayle? |
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| 10:38.41 | Thanatermesis | help in #debian-es any op please ? |
| 10:38.58 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: /msg chanserv access #debian-es list |
| 10:39.05 | ricky_clarkson | Thanatermesis: Or /msg a staffer. |
| 10:39.38 | Thanatermesis | thx |
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| 10:40.45 | resiak | Kog: No. |
| 10:41.03 | Kog | resiak, sounded like something he would say ;) |
| 10:41.16 | resiak | Kog: Sorry to disappoint you :) |
| 10:41.26 | Kog | as well you should be. |
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| 10:43.50 | edward_ | imapd[19608]: Login disabled <-- how can I enable a user |
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| 10:44.06 | ricky_clarkson | edward_: passwd username |
| 10:44.15 | edward_ | done that still get that error |
| 10:44.41 | ricky_clarkson | edward_: What shell are they set to? |
| 10:44.54 | edward_ | bash |
| 10:45.10 | edward_ | with pop I can logon only with uw-imapd It can't |
| 10:45.27 | ricky_clarkson | Pop? I thought you were talking about logging on at a tty. |
| 10:45.52 | edward_ | no imapd |
| 10:45.53 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, I read now. "imapd[19608]". Duh. |
| 10:45.58 | edward_ | it's a imap user |
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| 10:47.36 | martynas | why do i always get the error GLIBC_2.3 not found ? how can i revert back to glib version 2.3 ? |
| 10:48.25 | SlayerXP | what do you mean "revert back"? |
| 10:48.36 | SlayerXP | what did you do that would need reverting? |
| 10:49.03 | martynas | i need to make it work ..i figure i installed a newer version |
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| 10:49.25 | martynas | or something ... i dont understand ... this is been bugging me for 3 days now |
| 10:49.49 | directhex|work | martynas, which debian version do you run, and what did you install 3 days ago? |
| 10:50.01 | directhex|work | martynas, and when do you get this error? |
| 10:50.20 | martynas | i run woody ...i get this error when trying to do anything libc related ... |
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| 10:50.53 | directhex|work | you've answered 1 of 3 questions. |
| 10:50.55 | martynas | i installed libc6 3 days ago along with some packages that were depend |
| 10:51.11 | ricky_clarkson | !bobbitt |
| 10:51.11 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 10:51.12 | directhex|work | PerfDave, doesn't that in volve running about in agony holding your crotch? |
| 10:51.17 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 10:51.32 | martynas | more specifically i get the error ...when i run php4 or apt-get install anything |
| 10:51.48 | trask | think i need more specific help from someone who is into XFree86 and gpm mouse .. anyone willing to give it a try? its making an ibm x23 trackpoint working under debian |
| 10:51.56 | directhex|work | you installed php4 from unstable? |
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| 10:52.44 | martynas | i THINK i installed everything from stable ...how can i check if something is not from stable |
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| 10:53.05 | martynas | it would of been unintentional if there is something from unstable |
| 10:53.06 | tzafrir | trask , can you get it to work with gpm? |
| 10:53.08 | ricky_clarkson | martynas: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 10:53.32 | directhex|work | you definitely have unstable software of some sort, woody doesn't know about libc6 2.3 |
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| 10:53.45 | trask | tzafrir: i cant get it working at all.. follow this nice guide about installing debian on my specific machine.. still it wont work |
| 10:53.46 | jake | hi all |
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| 10:54.03 | ricky_clarkson | G'day mite. |
| 10:54.09 | primerob | ola |
| 10:54.13 | tzafrir | trask , have you tried gpmconfig? |
| 10:54.19 | martynas | so how do i go about seeing whats unstable on my system |
| 10:54.35 | s3itz | gcc 3.4 doesn't add itself as an alternative for cc? |
| 10:54.47 | bob2 | indeed |
| 10:54.47 | directhex|work | s3itz, annoyingly, no. |
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| 10:54.55 | ReD-AnimaL-WaR | hi |
| 10:54.58 | s3itz | weird |
| 10:54.59 | trask | currently ive uninstalled gpm, but if you think its the way i can reinstall it.. i follow this guide: http://crypto.stanford.edu/~eujin/linux/ibmx23debian.html |
| 10:55.10 | directhex|work | s3itz, or as an alternative for gcc. you need to force things to use gcc-3.4, or change the symlinks |
| 10:55.15 | primerob | algun espańol? |
| 10:55.22 | sussudio | !es |
| 10:55.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 10:55.23 | ReD-AnimaL-WaR | how do i restart the deban setup |
| 10:55.25 | s3itz | guess I'll have to deal w/ env vars and manually setting gcc in autotools |
| 10:55.38 | jake | I want to start a program upon logining into X11. Its irexec. My window manager is xfce4. How ouwld one achieve this? |
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| 10:56.16 | ReD-AnimaL-WaR | when i run tasksel nothing works, no rights! how du i install things later wwith tasksel ? |
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| 10:56.30 | directhex|work | jake, make a script in ~/Desktop/Autostart to load it |
| 10:56.33 | martynas | directhex|work: is there anyway to find out what installed packages are unstable |
| 10:56.34 | s3itz | tasksel requires admin privs. |
| 10:56.43 | s3itz | `sudo tasksel' might be an idea |
| 10:56.49 | ReD-AnimaL-WaR | ja logged in as root |
| 10:56.51 | directhex|work | Marticus, maybe. i don't know of a way off the top of my head. |
| 10:57.12 | trask | tzafrir: do you have faith in gpm enough to recommend me working on it, instead of trying the other solution mentioned? |
| 10:57.25 | jake | directhex|work, coolies, i'll give it a go :) |
| 10:57.29 | Humbe | Any suggestions on where to find libstdc++2.8 package for woody?.. Seems to be deprecated and no longer on mirrors.. |
| 10:57.43 | ReD-AnimaL-WaR | con i restart the debia setup after install ? |
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| 10:58.00 | s3itz | you don't need to man |
| 10:58.05 | jan | Hi, export PATH="$PATH:/home/.." is not working when i put it into my .bashrc ; the .bashrc is executed though |
| 10:58.10 | s3itz | after you're installed, you juse use the normal tools |
| 10:58.18 | s3itz | what is it that you want? |
| 10:58.25 | c4_ | (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * |
| 10:58.25 | c4_ | (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * |
| 10:58.32 | bob2 | we first met through a shared view |
| 10:58.34 | directhex|work | ReD-AnimaL-WaR, base-config ? |
| 10:58.36 | bob2 | she loved me and I did too |
| 10:58.36 | c4_ | ?? |
| 10:58.41 | ReD-AnimaL-WaR | i have reboot my pc in the install |
| 10:58.51 | tzafrir | trask ,in the past I used gpmdata for X, but now I don't |
| 10:58.54 | jake | directhex|work, i assume "Autostart" is a directory, i need to make a script like "~/Desktop/Autostart/startmyprog" ?? |
| 10:59.03 | ReD-AnimaL-WaR | and then nothing was installed with tasksel |
| 10:59.17 | c4_ | what is the .config option for DRI? |
| 10:59.45 | c4_ | what is the kernel .config option for DRI? |
| 10:59.48 | directhex|work | jake, yes. |
| 10:59.59 | directhex|work | c4_, why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 11:00.00 | bob2 | c4_: you have to ask 17 times or no one can answer, sorry |
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| 11:01.07 | c4_ | bob2: ok |
| 11:01.45 | bob2 | is my sarcasm actually that undetectable or have I been out-dry-humoured? |
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| 11:02.19 | jetscreamer | couldn't be under the video stuff |
| 11:02.25 | jetscreamer | around fb |
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| 11:02.43 | directhex|work | don't encourage him, it'll only get worse |
| 11:03.05 | jetscreamer | why don't you just look at every single option like i did? repeatedly? |
| 11:03.17 | c4_ | directhex|work: cause i use things that other machines has or not or, or mine has not and others does |
| 11:03.28 | bob2 | c4_: e.g.? |
| 11:03.35 | jetscreamer | 1200 procs |
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| 11:03.46 | directhex|work | c4_, and a debian kernel wouldn't work because...? |
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| 11:03.53 | jetscreamer | and quad quadros |
| 11:03.53 | c4_ | bob2: usb termometer |
| 11:04.29 | c4_ | directhex|work: even if i put a debian kernel i can't know where is the damn DRI thing |
| 11:04.37 | jetscreamer | it died |
| 11:04.43 | directhex|work | what he hell are you trying to do, anyway? |
| 11:05.18 | juhov | hehe, oops :P |
| 11:05.29 | c4_ | directhex|work: man, i know, you are write, and bob2 too, but now i want to make this work --> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available * |
| 11:05.41 | c4_ | (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * |
| 11:05.44 | bob2 | c4_: yes, use a Debian kernel |
| 11:05.47 | bob2 | it includes DRI |
| 11:05.53 | c4_ | i have it ! |
| 11:06.00 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 11:06.16 | directhex|work | c4_, fglrx does not use the kernel drm modules/. |
| 11:06.22 | Noid | you are write? wtf? |
| 11:06.30 | jetscreamer | there are no dri |
| 11:06.47 | c4_ | [*] Direct Rendering Manager (XFree86 4.1.0 and higher DRI support) |
| 11:06.56 | c4_ | it wasn't so hard |
| 11:06.57 | directhex|work | c4_, fglrx does not use the kernel drm modules. |
| 11:07.03 | directhex|work | what a fucking fucktard |
| 11:07.15 | directhex|work | he's probably using alien'd rpm's too |
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| 11:08.36 | Noid | directhex|work: yeah, you are "write" d-: |
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| 11:09.20 | jetscreamer | no, i are write |
| 11:09.22 | yaboo | think hotplug hurts my mouse in x |
| 11:09.26 | feistel | hi |
| 11:09.27 | feistel | I have a question |
| 11:09.29 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 11:09.34 | jetscreamer | what |
| 11:09.39 | feistel | why Debian 3.0 Woody rely on Linux 2.2? |
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| 11:09.45 | Noid | omfg |
| 11:09.51 | jetscreamer | because it's 4 years old or something |
| 11:09.58 | jetscreamer | why do you think |
| 11:10.12 | jetscreamer | get d-i |
| 11:10.21 | jetscreamer | !tell feistel about d-i |
| 11:10.27 | directhex|work | !d-i feistel |
| 11:10.27 | dpkg | feistel, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:11.15 | trask | tzafrir: think this is a bit out of my reach.. if i gave you some more specific data in a local chat, would you be able to and want to give me the guiding i need? |
| 11:11.50 | jetscreamer | !gpm |
| 11:11.50 | dpkg | methinks gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
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| 11:12.29 | peterS | hehe |
| 11:12.37 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 11:12.40 | trask | jetscreamer: tnx :) |
| 11:12.59 | feistel | jetscreamer: but sarge are in development, dont? |
| 11:13.11 | trask | think this !funcktion is something worth learning |
| 11:13.20 | jetscreamer | feistel, for what purpose do you want to use debian |
| 11:13.26 | jan | Hmm, is there a tool that i can use to scan direcory's like /etc for files that shouldn't be there, only 'default' files from debian pacakges, and report me all 'extra' files ? |
| 11:13.37 | jetscreamer | trask, /msk dpkg help |
| 11:13.50 | jetscreamer | jan, cruft |
| 11:13.51 | peterS | trask: it's just a key/value database. keys have been input over a span of many years, and some of them contain useful information |
| 11:14.15 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show cruft |
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| 11:14.49 | jan | hmm, how do i purge config files from packages already deleted? :) |
| 11:14.51 | directhex|work | feistel, consider a linux distribution like Fedora Core, which is a highly unstable alpha test for technology to later appear in red hat entrerprise. by comparison, even unstable versions of debian are solid as a rock. i've used Sarge (3.1) for over 6 months without trouble. |
| 11:14.56 | jetscreamer | also deborphan and some lib<blah> too |
| 11:14.58 | directhex|work | jan, dpkg -P foo |
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| 11:15.37 | jetscreamer | see also apt-get remove --purge <blah> |
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| 11:16.23 | Nermal | is there a way to get dpkg to be more verbose ? |
| 11:16.30 | jetscreamer | man dpkg |
| 11:16.53 | Nermal | jetscreamer, hmm.. that seems to display a manual page not a more verbose output |
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| 11:17.13 | jetscreamer | does it tell you how to make it more verbose? |
| 11:17.34 | Nermal | well, the term "verbose" doesn't appear in the man page no |
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| 11:17.40 | jan | directhex|work: |
| 11:17.40 | jan | un apache-doc <none> (no description available) |
| 11:17.45 | jan | # dpkg -P apache-doc |
| 11:17.46 | jan | dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove apache-doc which isn't installed. |
| 11:17.46 | dpkg | You are moron #29, jan |
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| 11:17.58 | jan | thanks dpkg |
| 11:17.59 | jan | ;) |
| 11:18.10 | directhex|work | hm. sure it was something like that. man dpkg |
| 11:18.25 | Nermal | god I hate dpkg |
| 11:18.32 | Nermal | it's so goddam unhelpful :| |
| 11:18.37 | Nermal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.48 | Nermal | that's really useful :| |
| 11:19.54 | jetscreamer | ooo dpkg-query |
| 11:20.07 | Nermal | ah |
| 11:20.09 | Nermal | :) |
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| 11:20.19 | jan | directhex|work: the problem is, the package has to be installed to be purged |
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| 11:20.47 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 11:20.51 | hlp_me | hey, how do i konw what are the binaries for the package i installed via apt-get? |
| 11:21.20 | jm_ | hlp_me: read the FAQ |
| 11:21.37 | directhex|work | hey, dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 11:22.06 | jetscreamer | apt-file would give you that also |
| 11:22.21 | hlp_me | thanks! |
| 11:22.29 | trask | peterS: dpkg sais you know what i need to know to get my mouse working under x.. want the details? |
| 11:22.46 | hlp_me | i do not have apt-file :| |
| 11:22.54 | peterS | trask: yes, I want the details. kernel version (uname -r), whether your mouse is plugged in to PS/2 or USB, and what type of mouse it is |
| 11:22.55 | jetscreamer | get it |
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| 11:23.25 | directhex|work | hlp_me, dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 11:23.26 | peterS | Nermal: that was uncalled-for. what do you think dpkg should have said instead? |
| 11:23.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file show/search package/searchterm |
| 11:23.48 | trask | peterS: kernel 2.2 ibm x23 trackpoint |
| 11:23.55 | peterS | Nermal: the authors of dpkg have no control over the authors of individual packages' installation scripts. dpkg cannot magically know what went wrong with an install script. |
| 11:23.56 | hlp_me | directhex|work yeah, that worked, execept in never installed anything in the bin :) but thank you. |
| 11:24.09 | trask | hmm.. time to upgrade kernel perhaps? .. 2.2 is a bit old |
| 11:24.23 | Nermal | peterS, how do I get dpkg to just show me the output of the install script ? |
| 11:24.24 | peterS | trask: so, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and pick Protocol "PS/2" and Device "/dev/psaux" |
| 11:24.26 | directhex|work | trask, is this modern hardware and a system for desktop not server use? |
| 11:24.29 | jetscreamer | trask, that was my first thought when i saw you say 2.2 |
| 11:24.37 | peterS | Nermal: it already does show you the output of the install script |
| 11:24.50 | jetscreamer | Nermal, you could scroll up |
| 11:25.00 | jetscreamer | what a concept |
| 11:25.14 | peterS | trask: and yes, you may wish to try a 2.4 kernel. but 2.2 kernels support PS/2 ports (even built-in ones like for laptop devices) just fine |
| 11:25.28 | tzafrir | so any idea about my clock problem? What would you expect to change the system clock besides ntpd? |
| 11:25.30 | Nermal | jetscreamer, nope.. nothing above it |
| 11:25.43 | jetscreamer | shift+pgup? |
| 11:25.53 | Nermal | no.. I know how to scroll up darling |
| 11:25.54 | jetscreamer | is this console or what |
| 11:26.00 | Nermal | there is just nothing useful aboe it |
| 11:26.03 | peterS | Nermal: if a maintainer script returns error 127 but prints no error messages, that's a problem with the package you tried to install. not a problem with dpkg. |
| 11:26.12 | Nermal | *pies of rage* |
| 11:26.20 | peterS | Nermal: what package is this, anyway? |
| 11:26.28 | Nermal | plucker :| |
| 11:26.31 | jetscreamer | or your scrollback buffer isn't big enough |
| 11:26.35 | Nermal | and it's plucking me off :/ |
| 11:26.36 | directhex|work | !info plucker |
| 11:26.41 | dpkg | plucker: (Pluck stuff from the web and read it on your PalmOS device), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 399 kB, Installed size: 1124 kB |
| 11:26.46 | Nermal | jetscreamer, good grief.. |
| 11:27.05 | directhex|work | !listbugs plucker |
| 11:27.06 | tzafrir | Nermal , consider also fixing that specific script |
| 11:27.07 | boycer | Hi all, anybody else had problems with cvsweb in sarge in the last couple of days? |
| 11:27.13 | jetscreamer | surely there's a log (dunno) |
| 11:27.15 | trask | peterS: mouse is moving :).. i bow before you in respect :) |
| 11:27.16 | Nermal | tzafrir, what specific script? |
| 11:27.24 | peterS | trask: heh, cool |
| 11:27.28 | jetscreamer | peterS++ |
| 11:27.34 | peterS | Nermal: if you suspect plucker has a bug that is preventing proper installation, you will have to read /var/lib/dpkg/info/plucker.postinst and figure out what is going wrong |
| 11:27.37 | tzafrir | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: if you want the karma to count you have to use a bot character like ! or @ |
| 11:27.57 | Nermal | peterS, many thanks |
| 11:27.58 | jetscreamer | !peterS++ |
| 11:28.03 | Nermal | that's what I needed to know |
| 11:28.05 | jetscreamer | @peterS++ |
| 11:28.08 | trask | peterS: x is still crashing, but now its complaining about xf86OpenSerial .. guess that needs a reconfig as well :( |
| 11:28.09 | jetscreamer | ~peterS++ |
| 11:28.15 | peterS | jetscreamer: unlike some bots, dpkg/ravenbird do not pick up on ++ and -- unless it's called to their attention (: |
| 11:28.20 | peterS | jetscreamer: and thanks for the ++ |
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| 11:29.27 | peterS | Nermal: when you've edited /var/lib/dpkg/info/plucker.postinst and want to retry the configuration step, you can do 'dpkg --configure plucker' |
| 11:29.45 | peterS | Nermal: (if this works, you can file a bug about it and include what you did to make it work) |
| 11:29.55 | Nermal | fixed |
| 11:30.18 | Nermal | script had some python2.3 lines in it and python2.4 was the only python binary installed |
| 11:30.26 | Nermal | switched 2.3 to 2.4 and all is happy |
| 11:30.40 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Nermal |
| 11:30.40 | dpkg | Yay Nermal, you did it! |
| 11:31.02 | Nermal | sorry for the "mound of shit" comment. I'm tired and think I'm coming down with the flu :/ |
| 11:31.06 | jetscreamer | shoulda been a dependency or something though |
| 11:31.15 | peterS | Nermal: so it's not a bug that affects debian, then. because on debian, python 2.3 is always installed |
| 11:31.25 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 11:31.29 | Nermal | peterS, ok ok.. this is on ubuntu.. |
| 11:31.32 | Nermal | *hides* |
| 11:31.33 | peterS | Nermal: I suspect you are using Ubuntu instead of Debian and that's why this one affected you |
| 11:31.37 | jetscreamer | !lart Nermal |
| 11:31.37 | peterS | Nermal: ha! I guessed correctly! |
| 11:31.48 | TinoW | petemc: even with woody? |
| 11:31.52 | Nermal | but there are more dpkg / apt gurus in here :| |
| 11:32.05 | peterS | TinoW: plucker from sid will not install on woody because the dependencies won't be possible to satisfy |
| 11:32.39 | TinoW | peterS: "<peterS> Nermal: so it's not a bug that affects debian, then. because on debian, python 2.3 is always installed" |
| 11:32.47 | directhex|work | Nermal, but it wasn't a dpkg bug, it was a ubuntu bug. |
| 11:33.05 | TinoW | but.. never mind ;) |
| 11:33.12 | peterS | TinoW: it's not a bug that affects woody. this is the sid version of plucker, not the woody version. |
| 11:33.26 | directhex|work | Nermal, you wouldn't have had a problem at all if you ran debian. |
| 11:33.26 | jetscreamer | why didn't this package squak about not having 2.3 |
| 11:33.38 | TinoW | peterS: I'm not speaking about bugs ;) |
| 11:33.40 | peterS | Nermal: this isn't the first time, actually, that I've seen an ubuntu python version cause a user of a debian package to want to file a bug. last time I saw it, a user *did* file a bug, and it took us awhile to figure out what his system was doing wrong since we couldn't reproduce the bug (: |
| 11:33.45 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, debian package, ubuntu system. ubuntu has little to no useful dependancy info in its debs |
| 11:33.48 | jetscreamer | shouldn't the package have required it as a dependency or something? |
| 11:34.19 | martynas | would it be very bad if i hand compiled glibc ? instead of using apt or a debian specifiv package |
| 11:34.25 | peterS | directhex|work: it wasn't a bug in either debian or ubuntu. it was just an unfortunate side effect of mixing the two. there's no fault here, unless it's that ubuntu doesn't provide plucker so he had to look at sid's version |
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| 11:34.41 | peterS | jetscreamer: it does. let me explain what happens here |
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| 11:35.18 | trask | ok where do i edit the xf86OpenSerial so it chooses my mouse? |
| 11:35.58 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 11:35.59 | dpkg | No, jetscreamer, you're not online any more. |
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| 11:36.32 | peterS | jetscreamer: the 'python' package in sid pulls in python2.3. 'python' in ubuntu pulls in python 2.4. the plucker dependency is on 'python2.3 | python (>= 2.3)' or similar. on sid this works correctly as it pulls in python which is 2.3. on ubuntu it doesn't work because it pulls in python 2.4, and I guess the postinst script calls for /usr/bin/python2.3 |
| 11:37.14 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's probably a bug to refer to /usr/bin/python2.3 but not depend specifically on python2.3. one should either just depend on python (>= 2.3) and use /usr/bin/python, or depend on python2.3 specifically |
| 11:37.37 | peterS | jetscreamer: however, the bug is only theoretical in debian, until debian decides to change the default python to 2.4 or higher |
| 11:37.45 | peterS | (as ubuntu did) |
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| 11:38.20 | jetscreamer | it's still a bug then. debian just covers it up :) |
| 11:38.32 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 11:38.42 | peterS | jetscreamer: at most it is 'severity: minor' since it doesn't actually hit any real debian users |
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| 11:39.40 | jetscreamer | yeah nothing major |
| 11:39.48 | jetscreamer | no biggie |
| 11:40.33 | jetscreamer | damn i was just thinking that sounded really really easy |
| 11:40.56 | jetscreamer | good i don't get to bumble |
| 11:41.08 | trask | peterS: ok where do i edit the xf86OpenSerial so it chooses my mouse? |
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| 11:41.37 | hlp_me | hey, got another question, what package should i install if application needs to have a QT 1.4x atleast? |
| 11:41.38 | peterS | trask: I don't know why xf86OpenSerial is even having to run at all. that bit doesn't make sense to me |
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| 11:41.52 | peterS | hlp_me: libqt3-mt-dev or similar, I suppose |
| 11:42.27 | hlp_me | peterS libqt3-mt-dev is already the newest version. |
| 11:42.28 | trask | peterS: so i should perhaps focus on not making it start?..XF86Config takes care of that? |
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| 11:42.57 | jetscreamer | 'making it start'? |
| 11:43.18 | peterS | trask: I wonder about your mouse driver config - the normal one doesn't call xf86OpenSerial, I believe |
| 11:44.09 | trask | peterS: hmm.. say i should look in the driver as a start then? |
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| 11:44.45 | peterS | trask: can you post your XF86Config-4 file in the pastebin? "/msg dpkg paster" for details |
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| 11:45.47 | trask | peterS: would take about an hour to write it all from the laptop, but ill try uploading it throug ftp to this machine |
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| 11:46.14 | peterS | trask: oh, if you don't have a net connection from the machine with the XF86Config-4, then don't take that much trouble |
| 11:46.32 | peterS | trask: (one option, though, is to transfer the file via a USB drive or a floppy or something |
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| 11:46.35 | peterS | ) |
| 11:46.54 | hlp_me | why can't i ever get hte Qt libraries... |
| 11:47.02 | trask | i do have net.. just need to find a way to upload to my ftp |
| 11:47.32 | peterS | hlp_me: well, libqt3-mt-dev provides the libraries. it's up to *you* to figure out why your program can't find them |
| 11:47.37 | tzafrir | lftp , ncftp |
| 11:47.39 | tzafrir | ftp |
| 11:47.58 | khanman | how do i change the dns servers that my sarge box uses for lookups? im using dhcp and would like to use the dns servers in my win2k domain instead of the gateway |
| 11:48.02 | peterS | trask: right, I guess pasting is a bit difficult when you don't have your mouse working |
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| 11:48.17 | hlp_me | peters, well, it is not hte first time i'm having problems with Qt :( |
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| 11:48.30 | trask | can wget upload to ftp? and in case how? |
| 11:48.37 | _wireman | hi, I have installed fvwm on by debian sarge but I don't know how to start it |
| 11:48.41 | zeeble | trask: err no |
| 11:48.45 | _wireman | somebody may help me? |
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| 11:48.54 | hlp_me | i guess i'll have to fix autoconf file |
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| 11:49.05 | zeeble | _wireman: create a file .xinitrc in your home dir, and add a line called "exec fvwm" to it. then just type startx |
| 11:49.05 | peterS | hlp_me: also note that Qt has changed interfaces somewhat between version 1.4 and version 3. you may need to install libqt3-compat-headers |
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| 11:49.28 | khanman | i can change the dns servers in kde network-admin but it doesnt load the profile when i login |
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| 11:49.43 | zeeble | khanman: put your DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:49.49 | _wireman | zeeble:thanks |
| 11:49.51 | khanman | tnx zeeble |
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| 11:50.17 | hlp_me | peters, ./configure gives me: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= 1.42 and < 2.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
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| 11:50.36 | peterS | hlp_me: it's looking for Qt older than 2.0. you will not find that in Debian, ever. |
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| 11:50.53 | peterS | hlp_me: Qt 1.x was licensed in a not-quite-free manner, so Debian has never included it and does not include it now |
| 11:51.46 | hlp_me | peterS, okay, i see, thank... i guess there is nothign i can do about it :) |
| 11:52.08 | peterS | hlp_me: except try to find a newer version of your program, which works with a Qt version newer than 5 years old or so |
| 11:52.14 | hlp_me | i'm just tring to find a decent mud client |
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| 11:52.54 | PerfDave | khanman: If you put the DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf then they will be overwritten by DHCP periodically. You have to configure your DHCP client to ignore the DNS server information that the DHCP server is giving it, or reconfigure your DHCP server. |
| 11:53.17 | jetscreamer | oh jesus speaking of gheyoleell |
| 11:53.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mud |
| 11:53.50 | jetscreamer | (unrelated) |
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| 11:54.48 | khanman | PerfDave, agreed...coz the resolve.conf currently has the corrent dns servers listed but it will change...what do i do to reconfigure it? dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 11:55.52 | peppo | does anyone here know how to make openoffice.org (1.1.3) mimic the GTK2 theme? |
| 11:56.00 | zeeble | khanman: man dhcpd |
| 11:56.07 | zeeble | there is a -R switch |
| 11:56.27 | peterS | khanman: you can play with your /etc/dhclient.conf or similar |
| 11:56.41 | peterS | khanman: add override lines for name servers - I forget the exact syntax |
| 11:57.09 | hlp_me | jetscreamer yeah, but most of hte hits are servers... and i tried the other 2 clients... one is crap, anotehr one is crap as well :P |
| 11:57.24 | zeeble | supercede or something |
| 11:58.06 | peterS | yeah, it's documented a tiny bit in the existing comments, as I recall |
| 11:58.19 | peterS | not that I have a dhclient.conf file handy, since I'm not on a machine with dhcp3-client installed |
| 11:58.25 | tzafrir | again, any ideas about what makes my system clock go bezerk? |
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| 11:59.41 | khanman | tnx peters i think that will work :) |
| 12:00.34 | zeeble | khanman: or you could try putting peerdns=no in the network file. |
| 12:00.47 | zeeble | i used to do that with redhat. not sure that works with deb though |
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| 12:01.19 | jetscreamer | !dict bezerk |
| 12:01.21 | dpkg | could not find definition for bezerk |
| 12:01.28 | jetscreamer | !dict beserk |
| 12:01.30 | dpkg | could not find definition for beserk |
| 12:01.35 | jetscreamer | sorry |
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| 12:01.54 | jetscreamer | maybe in #bezerk |
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| 12:02.50 | sussudio | !berserker |
| 12:03.07 | zeeble | in is'nt it berserk? |
| 12:03.20 | PerfDave | !dict berzerk |
| 12:03.21 | dpkg | could not find definition for berzerk |
| 12:03.26 | PerfDave | !dict berserk |
| 12:03.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'berserk' (2 shown; 3 total): one of the ancient Norse warriors legendary for working themselves into a frenzy before a battle and fighting with reckless savagery and insane fury ;; Berserk \Ber"serk\, Berserker \Ber"serk*er\, n. [Icel. berserkr.] 1. (Scand. Myth.) One of a class of legendary heroes, who fought frenzied by intoxicating liquors, and naked, regardless of wounds. --Longfellow.. |
| 12:03.28 | zeeble | !dict berserk |
| 12:04.00 | zeeble | ack. time to go home. later. |
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| 12:05.57 | jm_ | there was a nice game for C64 called Berserker birds ;) |
| 12:07.23 | noob | my mod_env is corrupted..what will i do? |
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| 12:07.40 | sussudio | cafuego: no kersenbonbons for you. |
| 12:07.43 | PerfDave | noob: You will panic about it and ask on #debian for a solution. |
| 12:07.52 | PerfDave | kaesebonbons |
| 12:07.53 | SlayerXP | noob: hire a dance band and ask them to play "Abide With Me" |
| 12:07.59 | noob | thats why im here.. |
| 12:08.05 | noob | :) |
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| 12:08.15 | ricky_clarkson | ~panic |
| 12:08.16 | apt | somebody please DO something! |
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| 12:08.18 | noob | nice tip SlayerXP |
| 12:08.36 | SkippedySkop | hmm exim has stopped logging, to main.log, i'm using syslog to do so, i've restarted syslogd but it's made no diff any ideas? |
| 12:08.40 | PerfDave | noob: How is it corrupted? |
| 12:08.55 | Coke | SkippedySkop: make sure exim is running |
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| 12:09.22 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 12:09.22 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed badgers. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 12:09.33 | shevegen | dpkg is a bottie? :> |
| 12:09.33 | dpkg | shevegen: i don't know |
| 12:09.41 | shevegen | cool thing |
| 12:09.54 | shevegen | hmm |
| 12:09.55 | shevegen | !init |
| 12:09.55 | dpkg | hmm... init is the init daemon |
| 12:09.59 | trask | peterS: i think i got it on this machine now.. pasting it in #flood soon :) |
| 12:10.02 | sussudio | !botsex shevegen |
| 12:10.07 | shevegen | lol |
| 12:10.10 | shevegen | !linus |
| 12:10.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, linus is The Man. or mistaken for the OS or our savior, or someone who pushes to have procfs replace sysctl, despite the fact for programs this makes things significantly slower. someone that doesn't comment, or at http://revolution-os.com/images/linus_at_linuxworld.jpg |
| 12:10.10 | jm_ | sheg;you can play with it via /msg |
| 12:10.16 | shevegen | oh a bit spammy |
| 12:10.26 | shevegen | if i do it with /msg, it gets less spam here? |
| 12:10.30 | petemc | yes |
| 12:10.33 | shevegen | oki |
| 12:11.32 | ricky_clarkson | I am the man who spams, I am. I am the man who spammmmmms. |
| 12:11.43 | noob | PerfDave...i try loading apache but it says an error on mod_env.so saying the file is too short.. |
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| 12:11.48 | Coke | more spam: O'Doyle rules! |
| 12:12.08 | ricky_clarkson | I nearly had a close encounter of the tastes-awful kind with physical spam. Whew. |
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| 12:12.28 | chealer | in a sarge/sid mix, how can I list the packages I have from sid (e.g. those with version higher than sarge's)? |
| 12:12.57 | PerfDave | noob: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 12:13.42 | noob | PerfDave: how will i know what version am i using? |
| 12:14.39 | PerfDave | noob: What version did you install? |
| 12:14.50 | jetscreamer | hey i can't get my aol to work with windows xp and a linksys router and a broadextant dsl modem omg |
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| 12:15.03 | jetscreamer | help me! |
| 12:15.12 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Yeah, stupid Windows, the hardware support is crap. Use Linux! :) |
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| 12:15.51 | ricky_clarkson | Well, more brain-scattering than mind-expanding really. |
| 12:15.55 | trask | peterS: got the file on my desktop now.. only pasting it in #flood got me kicked from the net.. cant i send it to you? |
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| 12:16.10 | jetscreamer | what file |
| 12:16.14 | hlp_me | btw, does cable modem require any specific configuration? |
| 12:16.16 | njan | trask, pastebin.com? |
| 12:16.19 | peterS | trask: I accept DCC, or if you can't use DCC, I have other ways |
| 12:16.39 | jetscreamer | how huge is this file? |
| 12:16.45 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's XF86Config-4 |
| 12:16.49 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:17.20 | peterS | it's a mouse config issue with X, and I can't figure out the cause without seeing his X config |
| 12:18.13 | PerfDave | pastebin.com and lynx? :) |
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| 12:18.22 | trask | ok i think need a dcc command then.. using gaim.. might have a way there thoug |
| 12:18.23 | PerfDave | http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 12:18.35 | noob | PerfDave |
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| 12:19.06 | noob | PerfDave: 3.0 Woody |
| 12:19.18 | noob | <==== |
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| 12:19.24 | PerfDave | noob: Have you upgraded it since installing it? |
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| 12:19.53 | paster | "ricky_clarkson" at 146.87.113.220 pasted "I hope a bot doesn't paste this URL" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/286 |
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| 12:20.06 | Garabuyo | hi.. there are repositories of pear for woody? |
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| 12:20.45 | ricky_clarkson | !info pear stable |
| 12:20.51 | PerfDave | njan: mod_env.so is in the apache-common package. You could reinstall that package with "apt-get --reinstall install apache-common" and see if that happens |
| 12:20.53 | noob | PerfDave..i dont know but lets assume it was not upgraded..it was my friend who installed this |
| 12:20.59 | ricky_clarkson | Garabuyo: = 12:21:00 <dpkg> Package 'pear' does not exist. |
| 12:21.09 | PerfDave | noob: How do you know what he installed? |
| 12:21.11 | ricky_clarkson | Garabuyo: apt-cache search pear |
| 12:21.21 | njan | PerfDave, um, thanks.. didn't need to know that, though :) |
| 12:21.31 | noob | <=== |
| 12:21.37 | noob | <===me |
| 12:21.47 | ricky_clarkson | ^^ eejit |
| 12:21.53 | trask | trask_ is sending it now :) |
| 12:21.59 | mufa | on kernel 2.4, if I want to pass some attributes to a module, where should I put them? |
| 12:22.10 | PerfDave | njan: Whoops ;) |
| 12:22.16 | PerfDave | noob: mod_env.so is in the apache-common package. You could reinstall that package with "apt-get --reinstall install apache-common" and see if that happens |
| 12:22.18 | ricky_clarkson | mufa: On your modprobe line, that's one place. |
| 12:22.21 | njan | PerfDave, :) |
| 12:22.32 | ricky_clarkson | mufa: Probably /etc/modules too, but I don't know. |
| 12:22.36 | peterS | mufa: simplest way is to put your module in /etc/modules so it loads at boot time, and put the parameters after it on the same line |
| 12:22.36 | trask | peterS: are you taking it?.. the transfer from trask_? |
| 12:22.37 | noob | PerfDave: what commands will i type? |
| 12:22.52 | ricky_clarkson | noob: The ones that PerfDave just said. |
| 12:22.57 | peterS | trask: yeah, thanks for the heads-up, I wasn't paying attention (: |
| 12:22.59 | noob | ok |
| 12:23.01 | PerfDave | noob: What commands will you type for what? |
| 12:23.17 | Garabuyo | ricky_clarkson: i install php4-pear , but i want install db and template it too |
| 12:23.17 | ricky_clarkson | How do I type apt-get --reinstall install apache-common? |
| 12:23.26 | noob | PerfDave: for reintalling mod_env.so |
| 12:23.34 | ricky_clarkson | Garabuyo: no lo se. |
| 12:23.44 | mufa | peterS: thank you |
| 12:23.48 | PerfDave | noob: How about the one I gave you? |
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| 12:23.56 | mufa | ricky_clarkson: thank u, too |
| 12:24.22 | ricky_clarkson | mufa: When I meet u, I'll thank him, sure. |
| 12:24.42 | Garabuyo | ok ricky_clarkson , gracias de todos modos |
| 12:24.49 | noob | PerfDave: ok..thanx.. |
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| 12:25.36 | ArtVandalae | Is there any way to get statistics on the most used WM on Debian? |
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| 12:26.47 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i setup firewall for this machine, i've only got one. |
| 12:27.03 | snail | ArtVandalae: WM = window manager? |
| 12:27.09 | Ashtars_fanclub | selecting which ports to block etc |
| 12:27.15 | Ashtars_fanclub | snail: yes usualy |
| 12:27.23 | peterS | trask: do you have a /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? this looks like an XFree86 version 3 config file, though I can't be certain |
| 12:27.32 | resiak | Well, "the most used Window Maker" wouldn't make much sense :-) |
| 12:27.59 | trask | ehm.. its possible :( |
| 12:28.04 | noob | PerfNoob: it says that i dont have enough space in /var/cache/apt/archives/ to install all the .debs , what will i do? |
| 12:28.12 | Rambo3 | http://www.geektown.se/tshirt_43_0.html |
| 12:28.14 | PerfDave | ArtVandalae: popularity-contest? |
| 12:28.22 | snail | noob: clear the cache first |
| 12:28.28 | peterS | trask: actually it *is* an XFree86 version 4 file, now that I look closer. but it's not generated with Debian's X config stuff, but with xf86config instead |
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| 12:28.57 | snail | noob: or install them in stages or redirect it to point to a disk with more space |
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| 12:29.13 | trask | peterS: there is a few.. up to -4.2 |
| 12:29.18 | noob | snail: you mean i will delete all files in cache? |
| 12:29.24 | trask | also a -4 and a -4.1 |
| 12:29.43 | peterS | trask: there are? that's pretty odd. I wonder why. |
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| 12:30.50 | phogg | noob: apt-get autoclean |
| 12:31.33 | trask | peterS: perhaps move them and have one of them placed in /etc/X11/ at a time to see wich it is using? |
| 12:32.11 | paulswm | noob: apt-get clean will clean out the repository, autoclean only cleans out some |
| 12:32.16 | JediMaster | anyone here got linux 2.6.x kernels working on dell servers with scsi raid? |
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| 12:33.17 | PerfDave | Hmm, according to http://popcon.debian.org/maint/by_vote the Debian KDE team is fourth in the list of maintainers' packages, and the Debian Gnome team is 45th. But that could be because there are more KDE packages than Gnome ones. |
| 12:33.18 | paulswm | noob: then if you still don't have enough space, do what snail suggeted re. installing some at a time |
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| 12:35.36 | ricky_clarkson | "Your search - Hoon guilty of inexcusable incompetence - did not match any documents. " |
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| 12:36.13 | Ashtars_fanclub | if alsa base is 1.08 in sarge, how come they arent updating modules for the kernel, currently they are 1.04 |
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| 12:36.57 | trask | peterS: working on it or should i find other paths to gain help? |
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| 12:38.54 | peterS | trask: it should be using /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. I have no idea where you got those other files |
| 12:39.01 | peterS | trask: what's the history of this machine? |
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| 12:39.40 | trask | newly installed.. thoug first time i tough debian.. and also had the disk in another laptop while installing |
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| 12:40.53 | peterS | trask: did you run 'xf86config' in order to configure X? you should have just installed the xserver-xfree86 package and let it ask you some questions |
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| 12:41.38 | trask | i think ive ran most of those config |
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| 12:41.46 | chealer | Ashtars_fanclub: you're talking about kernel 2.6? 2.6.8 was released in august |
| 12:42.36 | Humbe | How do I find out what programs/services own what shared memory segment?.. I have a shared memory segment here, that persists, even if I ipcrm it... ipcrm doesn't return an error, but the entry still exists after attempted delete.. |
| 12:42.42 | PerfDave | trask: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 12:43.02 | trask | oki |
| 12:43.39 | jm_ | Humbe: tried using ipcs -p? |
| 12:43.45 | SpamHog | Anyone: Found port 826 open in a fresh (methinks) Sarge install. What is it? |
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| 12:44.44 | Humbe | jm_: Nope.. Seems that it was apache.. Thanks :) |
| 12:44.44 | Ashtars_fanclub | chealer: kernel 2.6.8 is the one that i run, i was curious why they do not bother to release updated alsa modules for this kernel like they have for the 2.4 series kernels |
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| 12:45.32 | chealer | Ashtars_fanclub: alsa is in the kernel in 2.6 |
| 12:45.55 | Ashtars_fanclub | i know this but it is 1.04 and i need 1.08 which is the one that is available for 2.4 kernels |
| 12:46.48 | chealer | Ashtars_fanclub: "If you do install an alsa-modules package then the module loader will prefer its modules over those from the kernel-image package." |
| 12:46.53 | PerfDave | SpamHog: netstat will tell you. |
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| 12:47.28 | SpamHog | PerfDave: thank you! |
| 12:47.53 | ahan | hello , i've got trouble installing xfonts-artwiz on my debian sarge, can someone help me ? |
| 12:47.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | yes but there are no alsa-modules available for the 2.6 series |
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| 12:49.37 | jm_ | they're merging ALSA changes to 2.6 tree every so often |
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| 12:50.14 | nokia6000 | will this pack all the files and subdirectories (plus hidden folders and files) --> "tar -c /home/user001/importantFiles" |
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| 12:50.46 | linuxfreck | nokia6000, no, use tar cf your.tar /home/user001/importantFiles |
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| 12:51.41 | trask | peterS: didnt solve it.. in fact it seems i am still using another older file |
| 12:51.50 | Tony_ | what's the best way to retrieve data from a corrupt HDD? |
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| 12:52.12 | jm_ | Tony_: it depends on what's corrupted |
| 12:52.31 | JediMaster | using make-kpkg to build a new kernel from and older .config with initrd, would this be all I need?: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 12:52.32 | Tony_ | xfs_repair seems to think it has no valid superblock |
| 12:52.44 | jm_ | it most likely has alternative superblocks to use |
| 12:52.46 | peterS | trask: remind me here - are you on debian 3.0 (stable/woody) or debian 3.1 (testing/sarge)? |
| 12:53.07 | Tony_ | it's searching for a backup superblock |
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| 12:53.13 | Tony_ | but with no luck yet |
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| 12:53.27 | Tony_ | not sure how long this will take on a 143G drive |
| 12:53.40 | jm_ | ahh it might be slow if it disabled DMA due to disk errors |
| 12:53.49 | Tony_ | SCSI |
| 12:54.04 | trask | dont know.. people are still downloading my torrents, so i guess its pretty new |
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| 12:54.33 | noloK | how i can use the tv-out on the nvidia card? |
| 12:54.37 | Tony_ | so hopefully it won't have DMA issues |
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| 12:54.57 | Tony_ | noloK: usually with a S-Video lead |
| 12:55.20 | Tony_ | depends on the card and the TV |
| 12:55.44 | noloK | with a scart cabel or? |
| 12:55.47 | Tony_ | the TV out could be S-Video or RF |
| 12:55.58 | Tony_ | but I can't see your card |
| 12:56.03 | Tony_ | so hard to say |
| 12:56.06 | jm_ | noloK: you must connect it to the TV and enable the output |
| 12:56.24 | Tony_ | what jm_ said |
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| 12:57.01 | Tony_ | often you connect with SVideo.... I think you'd know if your VGA card had a scart socket on it |
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| 12:57.09 | Ashtars_fanclub | does anyone know iptables? |
| 12:57.13 | jm_ | you often get a short cable/converter with the card, that you can use to connect various different cables (S-VHS, chinch, ...) |
| 12:57.42 | disasm | Ashtars_fanclub: what about iptables, theres a lot to it |
| 12:57.50 | Tony_ | if it's S-Video, the cable end will be yellow, normally with about 4 pins |
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| 12:58.23 | noloK | jm_ only the card i bought without any stuff |
| 12:58.36 | Ashtars_fanclub | I'm reading a howto, I dont understand "199.95.207.0/24" in which way does 24 specify which part of the ip that is significant |
| 12:58.47 | jm_ | noloK: well check the manual then |
| 12:59.13 | noloK | ok, however i will do it |
| 12:59.15 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: you need to read up on VLSM and ipaddressing first probably |
| 12:59.18 | noloK | what about the software? |
| 12:59.35 | jm_ | noloK: nvidia's driver supports it, there's also nvtv |
| 12:59.36 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: /24 indicates 24 bits are used in the subnet mask |
| 12:59.46 | Ashtars_fanclub | ok |
| 13:00.37 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: but if you want to secure equipment it is something you should understand |
| 13:01.02 | noloK | jm_ can i export only the mplayer output, not the entire display? |
| 13:01.27 | jm_ | noloK: why is that important? |
| 13:02.18 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: I recommend this http://www.3com.com/other/pdfs/infra/corpinfo/en_US/501302.pdf white paper.... I recommend it to anyone when they want to understand IP addressing |
| 13:02.28 | noloK | jm_ the tv is in the next room |
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| 13:02.46 | PumpkinPie | can I over fill my gas tank at the gas station or does it stop ? |
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| 13:03.04 | debiannewbie | hi |
| 13:03.05 | ricky_clarkson | Drink the excess. |
| 13:03.12 | jm_ | noloK: well you can configure a twinview configuration so it should be doable |
| 13:03.27 | debiannewbie | I just install a kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4, but network not found |
| 13:03.28 | Ashtars_fanclub | Tony; thanks i may look into that later |
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| 13:03.44 | Omniflux | PumpkinPie: It depends if you are using a gasoline pump or the water hose |
| 13:04.02 | debiannewbie | I load a ethernet card module, and ifconfig work |
| 13:04.10 | debiannewbie | but dont can ping to another host |
| 13:04.20 | noloK | jm_ ok, thanks a lot |
| 13:04.41 | jm_ | noloK: but your card needs to support this (not all of them do) |
| 13:05.00 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: it's by 3com and is only 76 pages, worth printing off and keeping for reference |
| 13:05.06 | raghu | debiannewbie: ping from other host |
| 13:05.37 | debiannewbie | raghu, dont, with 2.2.20 default kernel for woody, all work fine, but with 2.4.18, no |
| 13:05.49 | Ashtars_fanclub | iptables doesnt seem to be in 2.6 as default, do i have to install an additional package ? |
| 13:05.50 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: it gets into the stuff you need around page 14 |
| 13:05.58 | debiannewbie | raghu, ping <my-IP> work!, but ping <another-IP> dont |
| 13:06.03 | raghu | debiannewbie: just do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:06.10 | debiannewbie | raghu, dont work |
| 13:06.18 | raghu | debiannewbie: it start correctly? |
| 13:06.19 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: the package is called iptables |
| 13:06.30 | noob | PerfDave: how will i reinstall apache at a time? i still cant get enough space :( all i need is the mod_env.so.. :( |
| 13:06.30 | debiannewbie | raghu, yes |
| 13:06.34 | raghu | debiannewbie: what it says |
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| 13:06.55 | noloK | jm_ it's nv mx200/440 |
| 13:07.06 | debiannewbie | raghu, I dont remeber, I runing now with 2.2 kernel |
| 13:07.17 | jm_ | noloK: some of them can do it IIRC, README will explain it |
| 13:07.31 | debiannewbie | debiannewbie, what modules I need for networking? |
| 13:07.48 | drac | debiannewbie: Is that desktop or server? |
| 13:07.52 | noob | anyone help? |
| 13:07.53 | Ashtars_fanclub | Tony: ok i was puzzeled because the description said 2.4+ iptables administration tools |
| 13:07.53 | debiannewbie | raghu, a server |
| 13:07.59 | noob | how will i reinstall apache at a time? i still cant get enough space :( all i need is the mod_env.so.. :( |
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| 13:08.32 | SlayerXP | noob: apt-get autoclean |
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| 13:09.24 | noloK | jm_ thanks |
| 13:09.40 | noob | SlayerXP tried it already |
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| 13:09.57 | raghu | debiannewbie: lspci what it shows? |
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| 13:10.30 | SlayerXP | noob: then apt-get clean |
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| 13:11.06 | debiannewbie | raghu, 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Ethernet Controller (rev 74) |
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| 13:11.22 | debiannewbie | raghu, I load a module for this card |
| 13:11.35 | raghu | debiannewbie: if you have compiled kernel then you have to load modules ...but i think by default network modules will be there |
| 13:11.49 | reNegad3 | hello were looking for a new domain name, something that is new, fresh, professional yet not corny...any ideas??? |
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| 13:12.29 | raghu | debiannewbie: it is not showing chipset details |
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| 13:13.17 | debiannewbie | raghu, I reboot the system with 2.4 and network dont start, I load a module for my NIC card, and network start, I can ping to myself, I can see interfaces configuration via ifconfig, but I dont ping to another host |
| 13:13.19 | drac | debiannewbie: Seems like Via Rhine II. |
| 13:13.26 | debiannewbie | drac, yes |
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| 13:13.52 | drac | debiannewbie: modprobe via_rhine && ifup eth0 (or something) |
| 13:13.54 | debiannewbie | another host in my subnet |
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| 13:14.09 | debiannewbie | drac, interface load fine |
| 13:14.34 | drac | debiannewbie: I had my problems with same card, and just said 'fuck it', and installed Sarge. |
| 13:15.00 | debiannewbie | I need a another module for basic TCP/IP networking? |
| 13:15.12 | drac | module "mii" |
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| 13:15.26 | drac | That should be used with via_rhine.. |
| 13:15.44 | debiannewbie | ok |
| 13:15.53 | boukensya | hey guys.. I was just wondering what a good gnome thingi like winzip is.. my wife likes gui so I gotta set her up with something |
| 13:15.58 | Ashtars_fanclub | seems that iptables is already installed but i cant modprobe iptables, is it built into the kernel by default? |
| 13:16.17 | Shadur | boukensya: file-roller or something like that I think. |
| 13:16.29 | Shadur | Ashtars_fanclub: Depends on how you compiled your kernel. |
| 13:16.46 | PerfDave | noob: Why do you need disk space to reinstall something that's alreday installed? |
| 13:16.58 | directhex|work | boukensya, file-roller |
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| 13:17.10 | Ashtars_fanclub | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 13:17.26 | noob | PerfDave: im just telling you what the error said..i actually dont know.. |
| 13:17.32 | karsten | Does anyone have a good recipie (bash script?) to roll over a Maildir directory, look for GPG keys, adn fetch any nonlocal keys, *outside* mutt? |
| 13:17.35 | Shadur | Ashtars_fanclub: Debian kernels do come with iptables enabled by default IIRC. |
| 13:17.55 | pzn | Hi! I am using debian kernel 2.6.8-2-k7. if I do "chgrp lp /dev/usb/lp0", it works, but at next boot, /dev/usb/lp0 has group root again... any suggestion? |
| 13:18.03 | PerfDave | noob: What error? What are you trying to do? |
| 13:18.25 | PerfDave | karsten: It probably wouldn't be too hard to write something in Perl... |
| 13:18.25 | boukensya | isn't file-roller just a file manager? |
| 13:18.29 | Ashtars_fanclub | ok |
| 13:18.44 | Shadur | pzn: alter the permissions in udev's config files. |
| 13:18.50 | karsten | PerfDave: Probably. My perl fu is exceptionally weak. |
| 13:18.51 | boukensya | ooh maybe not.. |
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| 13:19.41 | noob | PerfDave: i did like what you said...reinstall the apache package but it says not enough space to hold all the .debs |
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| 13:20.19 | PerfDave | noob: What command did you type, what error message did you get? |
| 13:20.25 | debiannewbie | drac, what is "mii"? |
| 13:20.27 | boukensya | cheers dudes |
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| 13:21.28 | drac | debiannewbie: dunno, something that via_rhine needs. i'm no expert. |
| 13:21.32 | toresbe | debiannewbie: media independent interface |
| 13:21.50 | toresbe | debiannewbie: it's some...stuff or something... that you need. :P |
| 13:22.04 | noob | PerfDave: apt-get --reinstall install apache-common |
| 13:22.09 | karsten | PerfDave: OK, I can pull out the sig block readily. What do I need to do to get the key from it? |
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| 13:22.31 | debiannewbie | drac, toresbe , ok |
| 13:22.51 | dobby | is it possible to replace a word in vim for example if i have slq to sql ? |
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| 13:23.05 | PerfDave | karsten: If I were doing this in Perl, I'd use something like MIME::Parser to analyse the message, and Crypt::GPG to examine the signatures. |
| 13:23.09 | PerfDave | dobby: Yes |
| 13:23.19 | dobby | PerfDave: how can i do that? |
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| 13:23.48 | PerfDave | dobby: :s/foo/bar/ for the current line, :%s/foo/bar/ for the whole file, or mark the lines you want in VISUAL mode. |
| 13:23.48 | jm_ | dobby: :read vim's help |
| 13:24.06 | xam | dobby: ":1,$s/slq/sql/g" |
| 13:24.13 | dobby | cool ;-) |
| 13:25.14 | Tony_ | Ashtars_fanclub: sorry .. was on the phone.... you'll need to find the correct .deb for your kernel |
| 13:25.28 | Tony_ | for iptables |
| 13:25.44 | karsten | PerfDave: I'm doing shell. I'm thinking I can just pipe the whole damned mess through GPG. Need it to check keyserver automatically and fetch keys. |
| 13:25.58 | Tony_ | jm_: I suspect this may never find a suitable superblock :/ |
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| 13:26.38 | jm_ | Tony_: I don't know about xfs, I never used it - maybe check if there's #xfs here or if they have a channel on some other network |
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| 13:26.59 | Tony_ | there is #xfs .. but no one is talking |
| 13:27.05 | Tony_ | :/ |
| 13:27.05 | xam | haven't played even |
| 13:27.25 | toresbe | eeeeek |
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| 13:27.35 | toresbe | "Correctable ECC error in RAM" |
| 13:27.38 | toresbe | nae good |
| 13:27.51 | Jygsr | hi, and recommand about a debian for a toshiba m30 laptop? |
| 13:27.51 | directhex|work | toresbe, cosmic rays. |
| 13:27.57 | directhex|work | !d-i |
| 13:27.57 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 13:28.03 | PerfDave | Jygsr: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 13:28.45 | ArtVandalae | What do I edit to change my Primary/Secondary DNS server? |
| 13:28.53 | tarzeau | resolv.conf |
| 13:28.53 | Jygsr | PerfDave: nice ;) |
| 13:28.56 | sussudio | ArtVandalae: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:29.32 | Jygsr | but still, do you recommand the stable/unstable/testing? |
| 13:29.57 | directhex|work | !d-i Jygsr |
| 13:29.58 | dpkg | Jygsr, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:30.47 | karsten | PerfDave: Rats. MIME encoding makes this more difficult.... |
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| 13:32.14 | pzn | Shadur, thanks. /etc/udev is what I needed. solved! |
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| 13:34.25 | ArtVandalae | What command do I use to get general specs of my PC? i.e. CPU, RAM, HDD? Is there a universal command? |
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| 13:34.46 | Humbe | ArtVandalae: Look at bootlog and /proc files.. |
| 13:34.54 | SkippedySkop | ArtVandalae: /proc/cpuinfo etc |
| 13:35.26 | petemc | , |
| 13:35.53 | jharrisonwk | ArtVandalae: are you the owner of Vandalae Industries? |
| 13:36.07 | petemc | its vanderlay, no? |
| 13:36.14 | petemc | as in seinfeld? |
| 13:36.16 | ArtVandalae | Hahaha, no. |
| 13:36.20 | xam | petemc ;) |
| 13:36.21 | ArtVandalae | Yes as in Seinfeld |
| 13:36.27 | jharrisonwk | dang |
| 13:36.36 | trask | starting X makes my xf86OpenSerial complain about it cant find my mouse.. how do i set that mouse to a different path? |
| 13:36.40 | petemc | importer, exporter :) |
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| 13:36.43 | jharrisonwk | I was going to ask if you were in need of a latex salesman |
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| 13:38.54 | NoNeo | Could anybody point me to some information about troubles in package update? |
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| 13:39.02 | NoNeo | Any news about "503 Service Unavailable"? |
| 13:39.04 | greycat | NoNeo: bugs.debian.org |
| 13:39.14 | greycat | NoNeo: uh.... sounds like a transport layer problem. |
| 13:39.33 | greycat | you *do* know that when you tell apt to use http://.... mirrors, it uses HTTP, right?> |
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| 13:40.10 | NoNeo | Yes. |
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| 13:41.26 | NoNeo | OK, it is transport layer problem. Sorry for disturbing. |
| 13:42.14 | digitalfredy | hi, are some security chanel for debian? |
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| 13:42.50 | zoor | hmm how do I move everything in a folder to another dir? Whithout having to mark every single file in the folder manually? |
| 13:43.07 | Phated | zoor: mv folder1/* folder2/ |
| 13:43.16 | ricky_clarkson | zoor: mv folder/* folder/.* folder2/ |
| 13:43.22 | zoor | Phated, thnx :) |
| 13:43.24 | jm_ | unix haas directories, not folders |
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| 13:43.33 | zoor | sry... directories then :) |
| 13:43.50 | jharrisonwk | anyone know of a virtual hosting application but for mail only where you can add users and give a certain amount of mail space etc... and is open source? |
| 13:44.07 | jharrisonwk | and of course has a web interface |
| 13:44.37 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: qmailrocks.org if i understand what your after |
| 13:44.56 | ricky_clarkson | !foldoc folder |
| 13:45.22 | ricky_clarkson | "A directory in the sense of a collection of files." |
| 13:45.30 | ricky_clarkson | .. sorry, computer files. |
| 13:46.39 | jharrisonwk | anything that might work with postfix? |
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| 13:47.26 | ricky_clarkson | (1 2 +) 3 * |
| 13:47.32 | greycat | heh |
| 13:47.44 | greycat | of course, you don't want or need parentheses there. that's the whole point. |
| 13:48.10 | ricky_clarkson | I know. <font size="reallyreallysmall">Now.</font> |
| 13:48.29 | pif | hi, I trying to "alias /dev/psaux psmouse mousedev" in /etc/modprobe.d/devfsd but it seems "alias" doesn't take two modules; how can I do it? |
| 13:49.13 | sebi | I compiled a new kernel and the nvidia-kernel, but I can`t find the nvidia module using modconf , why ? (it works with insmod /lib/.../nvidia) |
| 13:49.36 | zakame | hi, what's the best iptables setup for a home connection supporting bittorrent? |
| 13:49.37 | directhex|work | sebi, how did you comile your nvidia.o ? |
| 13:49.45 | greycat | modprobe.d "aliases" don't take file names as parameters. |
| 13:49.59 | greycat | unless this is some new linux2.6ism. |
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| 13:50.37 | ahan | anyone can help me please ? i'm getting really nervous with my f****** debian |
| 13:50.38 | ahan | sarge |
| 13:50.39 | sebi | make-kpkg modules_image , dpkg -i ... |
| 13:50.43 | greycat | !ask |
| 13:50.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 13:51.22 | ahan | greycat, well, since 2 days, i'm trying to install bootsplay on my debian sarge 2.6.8-2, i read all the docs i could find on google and it's not workig |
| 13:51.25 | ahan | working |
| 13:51.35 | directhex|work | greycat, no, seems you're correct |
| 13:51.50 | directhex|work | ahan, erm... it's pretty trivial, but does require a hand-compiled kernel |
| 13:52.13 | ahan | directhex|work, why ? my kernel-image have all the needed option activated, framebuffer etc ... |
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| 13:52.55 | ahan | directhex|work, i have installed bootsplash sysv-bootsplash and it's doesn't work |
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| 13:53.08 | directhex|work | ahan, ALL the needed options? bootsplash needs a large kernel patch |
| 13:53.42 | ArtVandalae | Does GNUStep use Afterstep or Windowmaker as its WM? |
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| 13:54.29 | pif | greycat: how do I tell devfs to load two modules then? |
| 13:54.32 | ahan | directhex|work, well i think i will throught away debian , too old and too busy, i'm wasting my time while other ditribs do it without problems |
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| 13:54.53 | directhex|work | ahan, erm, yeah, sure. what is old about debian exactly? |
| 13:55.03 | petemc | stable |
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| 13:55.16 | greycat | pif: why the hell would you tell devfs to do *anything* other than "DIE, COMMIE PIG, DIE!"? |
| 13:55.17 | ahan | because i've got much more problems, i can't start idesk with my fluxbox, i tested all the confi files too, and i can't use artwiz fonts |
| 13:55.20 | xam | ArtVandalae: well, most people use WindowMaker, although you can use pretty much anything. WindowMaker is the 'default' for GNUstep, although both project don't share code nor did work together particulary closely |
| 13:55.23 | ahan | it's crazy |
| 13:55.25 | directhex|work | who the motherfuck would want extreuous eyecandy like bootsplash on woody? |
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| 13:55.44 | toresbe | directhex|work: Skolelinux is atm based on woody |
| 13:55.53 | pif | greycat: I know, but I'm using it in a chroot for x-terminals |
| 13:55.55 | toresbe | directhex|work: A bootsplash there would IMO be a boon |
| 13:55.57 | directhex|work | toresbe, and i really care about skolewhatever |
| 13:56.01 | pif | special case |
| 13:56.23 | toresbe | directhex|work: You asked a question, I answered it |
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| 13:56.27 | greycat | That DWN bit about devfs vs. sarge installer was pretty funny. |
| 13:56.39 | jm_ | heh |
| 13:56.42 | directhex|work | greycat, which one? |
| 13:56.44 | BucWheat | when i su - as another user in X and try to run an x application as root it says cannot open display |
| 13:56.56 | BucWheat | what is the command that i type to get around this ? xhost :0 ? |
| 13:56.58 | directhex|work | !tell BucWheat about sux |
| 13:57.11 | greycat | or was that not in DWN? hmm.... where was it? |
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| 13:57.20 | BucWheat | thanks |
| 13:57.33 | directhex|work | greycat, it probably was, but my memory sucks |
| 13:57.43 | pif | can the modutils package be safely removed when using kernel 2.6 ? |
| 13:57.54 | sebi | what do I have to do to make a module available in modconf |
| 13:57.57 | greycat | ah, it was back in January. |
| 13:58.02 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.02 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.02 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.36 | jm_ | pif: module-init-tools replaces it |
| 13:59.00 | pif | thanks |
| 13:59.32 | peterS | pif: so yes, modutils and module-init-tools can coexist but if you only run 2.6 kernels, you may remove modutils |
| 13:59.59 | pif | ok |
| 14:01.39 | ahan | directhex|work, well, i copy my /boot/config-2.6.8 in my /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 and i make menuconfig, when i watch ,all the option needed for bootsplash are ok , so i means that my current kernel don't need to be hand compiled, NO ? |
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| 14:02.42 | zoor | one thing I've been wondering about. How do I get my terminal to understand that I want to see the fileextensions on every file? For instance. I have a small film klipp in mpg but it just shows the name of it, All other files which Linux dont recognize is shown in their full name sort of speak. Any way to fix this? |
| 14:03.04 | ambycrao | After i have installed "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8" "uname -a" still show me the old install kernel (2.4.27), what more does need to bee done? |
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| 14:03.29 | marc342 | ambycrao: reboot |
| 14:03.32 | greycat | ambycrao: compiling and installing a kernel would help. |
| 14:03.35 | ambycrao | I have done that |
| 14:03.39 | jm_ | kernel-source will not give you kernel that's ready to be used |
| 14:03.53 | directhex|work | ahan, debian kernel-source does _NOT_ have bootsplash pre-applied. |
| 14:04.23 | greycat | "I went to the grocery store and bought eggs and milk and flour and brought it all home, but there was no cake!!" |
| 14:04.38 | ambycrao | is apt-get install just for downloading the kernel? |
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| 14:04.46 | greycat | kernel. source. |
| 14:04.50 | greycat | say it with us. |
| 14:05.25 | ambycrao | I have never done this before so be gentle =) |
| 14:05.28 | jm_ | ambycrao: the trick is to use kernel-image if you don't know how to compile a kernel |
| 14:05.33 | Noid | is it strictly necessary to recompile the kernel to get a bootsplash, or could it be done in other way? the objective is hiding bootup messages (yes, i know, they are useful, etc etc, but it's not for me) |
| 14:05.45 | directhex|work | ahan, if EVERYTHING is already set up, what do you have in Device Drivers -> Graphics Support --> Bootsplash Configuration? |
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| 14:06.48 | ambycrao | jm_, kernel image = "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8"? |
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| 14:06.59 | ricky_clarkson | ambycrao: No, kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 14:07.09 | greycat | kernel. source. |
| 14:07.12 | greycat | kernel. image. |
| 14:07.16 | jm_ | ambycrao: no! please read the faq first, it has some useful advises about this |
| 14:07.18 | greycat | see the difference between those two? |
| 14:07.24 | ricky_clarkson | Can somebody neuter that cat? |
| 14:07.24 | ambycrao | greycat, ok |
| 14:07.26 | Noid | greycat: so what's the difference? d-: |
| 14:07.38 | Noid | greycat: just kidding |
| 14:08.09 | sebi | zoor: file |
| 14:08.11 | darkskiez | Heres a question, how different is darwin to linux? could you make a darwin compatibility layer, and run OSX ontop of linux on the same hardware? |
| 14:08.18 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: In #java I had some idiot who genuinely couldn't see the difference between two lines. No dyslexia (afaik). |
| 14:08.19 | S2B | Hi, I have a problem with my vServer. I updated woody to sarge, but now the apache don't show the right sites I entered in Confixx before... |
| 14:08.29 | zoor | sebi, file? |
| 14:08.31 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: what two lines? |
| 14:08.36 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: I can't remember. |
| 14:08.57 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: well, it would have been fun to know |
| 14:08.57 | ambycrao | where is all the source files downloaded after apt-get install kernel-source-x.x.x? |
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| 14:09.03 | directhex|work | darkskiez, darwin is closer to freebsd than anything else. |
| 14:09.05 | greycat | do I want to know what a Confixx is? |
| 14:09.13 | greycat | ambycrao: /usr/src |
| 14:09.17 | ricky_clarkson | ambycrao: dpkg -L kernel-source-x.x.x |
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| 14:09.33 | Phated | greycat: You're on your way to elevated blood pressure, my good man. Take a break. We'll keep them at bay. |
| 14:09.52 | S2B | greycat: http://www.sw-soft.com/en/ |
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| 14:10.43 | greycat | dear god. plesk. no wonder. |
| 14:10.57 | S2B | ? |
| 14:11.04 | bernardo_ | what's the comand to view the version of DEBIAN? |
| 14:11.05 | chruriad | ambycrao: after you've compiled your kernel, copy the the /usr/src/kernel-source-2.*.*/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to your /boot directory. then change the settings of your boot loader to use that kernel. |
| 14:11.06 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 14:11.14 | schizoschaf | hi |
| 14:11.14 | sml | bernardo_: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:11.27 | greycat | chruriad: you should be telling them to use make-kpkg |
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| 14:11.38 | directhex|work | bernardo_, cat /etc/debian_version, or look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:11.42 | Noid | ambycrao: apt-get install kernel-package |
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| 14:11.53 | bernardo_ | thaks... |
| 14:11.59 | sebi | zoor : try to use file filename |
| 14:12.04 | directhex|work | chruriad, what an unhelpful thing to teach people |
| 14:12.04 | bernardo_ | thanks... |
| 14:12.10 | schizoschaf | i linked on my very small and private homepage directly to the debian package search. http://www.mostly-monospaced.de/linuxlinks.php anyone thinks this isn't ok? |
| 14:12.15 | ambycrao | chruriad, ok |
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| 14:12.29 | greycat | ambycrao: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 14:13.09 | Noid | schizoschaf: afaik, there is no secrecy policy around debian stuff |
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| 14:13.45 | directhex|work | Noid, you don't have the 'secret' and 'elite' repositories in sources.list ? |
| 14:13.46 | schizoschaf | Noid, its because ic copied an pasted the search-form from debian.org |
| 14:13.54 | Noid | directhex|work: sssssssshhhhhhh! |
| 14:14.02 | ambycrao | greycat, ? |
| 14:14.09 | greycat | ambycrao: /msg dpkg kp |
| 14:14.21 | sml | directhex|work: heheh |
| 14:14.35 | sml | directhex|work: i have the l33t one :) |
| 14:15.04 | directhex|work | sml, what's in there, other than haxx0r toolz? |
| 14:15.04 | sml | has stuff like nmap, netcat, hping2 etc in it ;) |
| 14:15.08 | Noid | directhex|work: they are not supposed to learn that until they've been abdu^H^H^H iniciated |
| 14:15.13 | directhex|work | heh, nice timing |
| 14:15.28 | directhex|work | Noid, that's the fnord reposit.. oh crap |
| 14:15.50 | Noid | directhex|work: tsk tsk tsk... d-: |
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| 14:16.38 | cievo | all...hello ;) |
| 14:16.39 | ambycrao | is "apt-get install kernel-package" need to bee compiled? |
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| 14:17.08 | S2B | how can I restart my apache? |
| 14:17.13 | hellais | ls |
| 14:17.15 | hellais | hi all |
| 14:17.25 | Noid | ambycrao: i really think you should read the FAQs |
| 14:17.25 | sml | ambycrao: its a binary package that allows you to install kernels from source by making a package from the kernel. |
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| 14:17.46 | directhex|work | why not just get him to install a kernel-image and leave it there? |
| 14:18.09 | hellais | wtf? |
| 14:18.12 | Noid | directhex|work: he won't listen to people telling him to install a kernel image |
| 14:18.27 | ambycrao | directhex|work, I have installed Sarge as you recommened, it works great! =) |
| 14:18.34 | greycat | kernal-images are compiled already. kernel-sources are source code and must be CONFIGURED (very very very fucking hard) and compiled (time-consuming) to produce kernel-images. |
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| 14:18.55 | ambycrao | directhex|work, It found my Inter PRO card directly in the installation |
| 14:19.00 | Noid | greycat: hard? more like tedious |
| 14:19.11 | cievo | greycat: very very very fucking hard ? :-D is it hat hard for you ? :) |
| 14:19.45 | jm_ | he was speaking what someone who can't figure out where kernel-source package puts files |
| 14:19.55 | jm_ | what someone will experience that is |
| 14:19.56 | greycat | Noid: no, I mean HARD, like fucking differential equations hard. |
| 14:20.00 | sml | I think greycat's context is that of a newbie :-) I douby greycat finds it hard *himself* |
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| 14:20.33 | ricky_clarkson | !be math barbie |
| 14:20.33 | dpkg | it has been said that be math barbie is multiplication is hard! |
| 14:20.34 | greycat | god, that's a weak barbie. |
| 14:20.34 | directhex|work | ambycrao, yes, i thought it might help on that front. woody doesn't support my own intel etherexpress. |
| 14:20.34 | ricky_clarkson | !literal be math barbie |
| 14:20.34 | dpkg | be math barbie is multiplication is hard! |
| 14:20.34 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo be math barbie |
| 14:20.34 | dpkg | be math barbie -- created by kputnam <kputnam@port10.pontiac01.tir.com> at Fri Jun 22 19:56:46 2001 (1339 days); it has been requested once, last by ricky_clarkson, 23s ago. |
| 14:20.34 | sml | has anyone here heard of Divorced Barbie???? |
| 14:20.42 | Phated | Yes. |
| 14:20.42 | Noid | greycat: well, i never found it particularly hard *shrugs* |
| 14:20.44 | ricky_clarkson | That's 4 years old. |
| 14:20.44 | sml | It comes with Kens house, Kens car, the dog... |
| 14:20.49 | Phated | Or 5. |
| 14:21.00 | sml | boo hoo |
| 14:21.01 | ricky_clarkson | !2005-2001 |
| 14:21.01 | dpkg | 4 |
| 14:21.09 | Phated | I heard it in 2000. |
| 14:21.11 | greycat | !be time travel barbie |
| 14:21.33 | cievo | :) |
| 14:21.40 | Phated | AIEEE |
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| 14:22.18 | S2B | hello? Does anyone know how to restart my apache? |
| 14:22.25 | greycat | S2B: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 14:22.28 | sml | S2B: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 14:22.28 | njan | /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 14:22.32 | S2B | thx |
| 14:22.34 | sml | lol |
| 14:22.46 | ricky_clarkson | S2B: Yes. |
| 14:22.49 | njan | or, more accurately, /et[tab]in[tab]ap[tab] restart |
| 14:23.00 | njan | :) |
| 14:23.01 | cievo | S2B: But if you change SSL configuration you have to do /etc/init.d/apache stop; /etc/init.d/apache start; :) |
| 14:23.04 | sml | njan: he might not be usin bash ;) |
| 14:23.08 | cievo | njan: :-P |
| 14:23.17 | S2B | cievo: lol |
| 14:23.29 | takatumi | njan: res[tab] |
| 14:23.32 | cievo | all...can I run shell script with root rights or it's just applied on binaries ?! |
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| 14:23.34 | Noid | njan: besides, some of us have /etc/inittab |
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| 14:23.38 | ricky_clarkson | bash: /et[tab]in[tab]ap[tab]: No such file or directory |
| 14:23.42 | sml | cievo: you can but i dont recommend it. |
| 14:23.43 | njan | sml, I'm guessing if he'd figured out a) that there are other shells and b) that he liked one more than bash, he'd know how to restart apache :p |
| 14:23.45 | cievo | ricky_clarkson: :-D |
| 14:23.51 | njan | ricky_clarkson, :p |
| 14:24.16 | cievo | sml: I need to make one script that makes Maildirs so I'm considering between binary and shell script... |
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| 14:24.51 | Noid | njan: bleh d-: |
| 14:24.58 | njan | takatumi, how do you tab complete restart? that's passed as a command line argument to the script.. |
| 14:25.11 | njan | takatumi, it certainly doesn't work that way on any linux I've used (and doesn't on the copy of debian I have here) |
| 14:25.16 | sml | cievo: a setuid binary is a *bit* better than a setuid script however i would never advocate either unless there is no other option. |
| 14:25.16 | takatumi | njan: it works here :P |
| 14:25.30 | njan | takatumi, evidently your mileage varies :p |
| 14:25.30 | sml | cievo: cant you make it guid of mail ? |
| 14:25.42 | cievo | sml: there is not other option :) |
| 14:25.47 | ambycrao | (kernel-image-2.6-686-smp), smp has nothing with techologys such at Intel HT? |
| 14:25.49 | jm_ | njan: it works with zsh and rcd completion module |
| 14:25.56 | njan | jm_, ah. Figures :) |
| 14:25.59 | sml | cievo: in that case , man chmod. |
| 14:26.15 | cievo | sml: I have to use maildirmake binary to make Maildir and then I have to chown it to some UID/GID :) |
| 14:26.22 | takatumi | jm_: works in bash here. |
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| 14:26.31 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:26.51 | sml | cievo: you can make maildirmake run as that userid/guid if you like. why do you need root uid ? |
| 14:26.58 | valdyn_ | ambycrao: ht is crippled smp. 2.6 kernels do have "special" support for that too. |
| 14:27.04 | Humbe | ambycrao: You want SMP if you have multiple processors.. Intel HT tech means that your OS will see two CPU's, if you enable it.. |
| 14:27.08 | cievo | sml: and what about chown ? :)))) |
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| 14:27.20 | sml | cievo: chown the file then chmod 4xxx |
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| 14:27.35 | jm_ | takatumi: yeah, bash_completion also supports it |
| 14:27.44 | valdyn_ | ambycrao: debian -smp images support it |
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| 14:27.52 | sml | i have a book on the korn shell on my desk. aint read it yet. |
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| 14:28.38 | cievo | sml: I know :) But I think it's better to make SUID binary that makes what I want than enable www-data user to use chown, maildimake; don' you think ? |
| 14:28.52 | ambycrao | valdyn_, sorry, Do you mean that i want kernel-image-2.6-686-smp or not? |
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| 14:29.01 | valdyn_ | ambycrao: you want it |
| 14:29.03 | DexterF | are there debs for kdenetwork-3.3.2 with a fix for the icq5-bug in kopete? |
| 14:29.09 | ambycrao | valdyn_, Ok |
| 14:29.18 | sml | cievo: i think you should use the LOWEST permissions necessary to perform any role on any unix box. |
| 14:29.30 | sml | ricky_clarkson: you got snow where you are ? |
| 14:29.39 | sml | anyone else here from the UK ? |
| 14:29.39 | Nosf3ratu | my home directory is getting too large...what's a good way to figure out where the majority of the space is being lost? |
| 14:29.45 | ricky_clarkson | There's no snow here. |
| 14:29.47 | sml | Nosf3ratu: du and df. |
| 14:29.54 | ricky_clarkson | I think I can see some on the hills but it's difficult to tell. |
| 14:30.02 | cievo | sml: problem is...I ave my postfix/courier information in MySQL Databse and I have administration tool for that database.... |
| 14:30.05 | Delph | london has teh snow. |
| 14:30.12 | sml | I have to drive to Manchester thursday night to see a convert. im hoping its not snowing Thursday in Manchester. |
| 14:30.29 | ricky_clarkson | sml: It doesn't snow often in Manchester and when it does it's not serious. |
| 14:30.35 | ricky_clarkson | sml: A convert? To what faith? |
| 14:30.36 | sml | ricky_clarkson: that's good. |
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| 14:30.44 | sml | shiiit.. lol a CONCERT :) |
| 14:30.51 | marc342 | Nosf3ratu: du -sh * in your home directory |
| 14:30.52 | ricky_clarkson | shiiit? |
| 14:30.57 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, Shiite muslim. |
| 14:31.24 | PerfDave | It's too busy raining in Manchester to snow ;) |
| 14:31.24 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: funny mood today, huh? d-: |
| 14:31.31 | sml | well i paid Ł100 quid a ticket so it better not snow. |
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| 14:31.34 | cievo | sml: but ! When I make new user I have to use 'maildirmake USER_NAME; chown UID/GID USER_NAME -R' So I have to make some script/binary that does this. And when I wan to use 'chown' than it has to be SUID-ed :) |
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| 14:31.55 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: 3.5 hours sleep does this. |
| 14:32.05 | DexterF | Nosf3ratu: I use this alias in .bashrc: alias dirs='find ./ -type d -maxdepth 1 -exec du -sh {} \; | grep ^[^[:space:]]*[MGT]' |
| 14:32.18 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: ah, i've had half an hour more |
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| 14:32.33 | jm_ | how complicated ;) |
| 14:33.00 | takatumi | what's MGT? |
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| 14:33.18 | jm_ | Mega Giga Tera |
| 14:33.19 | ricky_clarkson | Mennich Green Time? |
| 14:33.22 | sml | cievo: ok you want a script that changes the permissions on directories. you could put them all in their own group , put GIUD of that group on the binary and then that binary would be able to change the permissions on that directory. or replace binary with a script. Would still be safer than just giving setuid(0) to that binary/script. |
| 14:33.29 | DexterF | takatumi: greps only Megabytes, Gigabyte, Terabytes |
| 14:33.36 | DexterF | i don't care about kilobytes |
| 14:33.41 | takatumi | ah, cool. |
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| 14:33.52 | jm_ | I just use du -sk *(/)|sort -n |
| 14:34.04 | sml | DexterF: look after your kilobytes and your megabytes will look after themselves is what my mumma always used to say! |
| 14:34.14 | FieldySnuts | ok Forrest GUmp |
| 14:34.36 | DexterF | sml: I'm new on this channel so I spare you the rude remarks about yo momma ;) |
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| 14:34.48 | thenuke | ARGH. My mouse lags AGAIN in X when I use ImPS2 instead of PS2 .. I got this fixed before by apt-getting gpm.. but now it does not work anymore? so what the hell could be wrong :D |
| 14:34.52 | cievo | sml: yes, but that binary/script will be run using php ! :) |
| 14:34.58 | Nosf3ratu | DexterF, that works pretty well. |
| 14:34.59 | JediMaster | sml: mine always used to say "kilowhats?" |
| 14:35.05 | sml | cievo: never make a PHP script SUID root! |
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| 14:35.47 | Nosf3ratu | Still don't understand how I'm out of 20G. :\ |
| 14:36.17 | Nosf3ratu | nice |
| 14:36.23 | FieldySnuts | if you have kde, try filelight, great way to find wasted space. be sure to turn on cross filesystem boundaries, and small file display |
| 14:36.31 | DexterF | Nosf3ratu: M4lkavian style ;) |
| 14:37.40 | cievo | sml: NO PHP script !!!! :-P script that will run php through 'system MY_SCRIPT' |
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| 14:37.44 | sml | JediMaster: I did that just recently. |
| 14:38.02 | JediMaster | can anyone recommend any editors for php/html with syntax hilighting? |
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| 14:38.11 | JediMaster | I need to find a dreamweaver replacement for linux |
| 14:38.12 | sml | JediMaster: vim |
| 14:38.15 | JediMaster | ugh |
| 14:38.20 | JediMaster | I hate vim lol |
| 14:38.29 | cievo | JediMaster: install joe ;) |
| 14:38.34 | Nosf3ratu | JediMaster, bluefish. |
| 14:38.44 | Nosf3ratu | (vim is far superior, but . . .) |
| 14:38.45 | JediMaster | ok, talking x-based editors now =) |
| 14:38.50 | greycat | !for x |
| 14:38.50 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 14:38.50 | directhex|work | JediMaster, i've not found anything that comes close to dreamweaver, though nvu appears to be improving (not in debian, but open & free) |
| 14:38.54 | Nosf3ratu | bluefish is x-based. |
| 14:38.59 | sml | JediMaster: Emacs is great for editing a variety of different source.. if you can wait 10 hours for it to load up. |
| 14:39.03 | directhex|work | bluefish is ass |
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| 14:39.07 | S2B | how can I start apache1 if I have also installed apache2? |
| 14:39.08 | DexterF | directhex|work: ewww! |
| 14:39.18 | greycat | S2B: first, purge apache2. |
| 14:39.20 | Nosf3ratu | JediMaster, or Quanta. |
| 14:39.21 | JediMaster | S2B: run it on a different port in the httpd.conf |
| 14:39.31 | Nosf3ratu | Actually, Quanta's a lot better, if you have QT libs. |
| 14:39.55 | sml | cievo: why not put the script in the group www-data. |
| 14:39.56 | JediMaster | thanks everyone, will take a look at those |
| 14:40.14 | S2B | greycat: What do you mean with "purge"? |
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| 14:40.56 | Noid | S2B: completely remove, including config files |
| 14:41.11 | S2B | How can I do that? With apt? |
| 14:41.15 | greycat | !sing monday |
| 14:41.15 | dpkg | And school's out early and soon we'll be learning / The lesson today is how to die |
| 14:41.32 | sml | What song is that.. i recognise it |
| 14:41.32 | Noid | S2B: yes |
| 14:41.41 | greycat | sml: I Don't Like Mondays, by the Boomtown Rats |
| 14:41.49 | sml | That's it! |
| 14:41.51 | marc342 | S2B: apt-get remove --purge |
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| 14:42.16 | sml | its SNOWING! |
| 14:42.18 | Xemacs_ | greycat, you have all days covered ? |
| 14:42.26 | S2B | apt-get remove apache2 -purge? |
| 14:42.38 | S2B | or with two -? |
| 14:42.46 | marc342 | S2B: with 2 |
| 14:42.52 | greycat | Xemacs_: no |
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| 14:43.22 | JediMaster | sml: it was hailing here just now (canterbury in england) |
| 14:43.23 | S2B | Oops, many errors *g* |
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| 14:43.38 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Why are you so interested in snow in England? |
| 14:43.43 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, Britain. |
| 14:43.47 | Delph | because its otherwise good weather. |
| 14:43.56 | S2B | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:43.56 | S2B | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.56 | S2B | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.56 | S2B | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 14:44.04 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I'm worried about Thursday. |
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| 14:44.18 | sml | dont care what the weather's like so long as its NICE on thursday |
| 14:44.22 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Don't be. It'll take more than snow to stop Thursday from happening. |
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| 14:44.39 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Who are you seeing? |
| 14:44.44 | S2B | :( |
| 14:44.53 | Delph | and why do you care if you're seeing them outside? *nudge* |
| 14:45.07 | sml | ricky_clarkson: True , but these tickets are a gift to my mum for her birthday.. and it would kind of bugger that up for her. Im seeing Andrea Bocelli at Manchester Arena |
| 14:45.07 | JediMaster | S2B: lol don't paste large amounts in here =) try using www.pastebin.com |
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| 14:45.17 | S2B | *g* |
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| 14:45.22 | S2B | ok |
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| 14:45.37 | michael | i have a question about cups |
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| 14:45.39 | S2B | But what can I do now? |
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| 14:46.10 | michael | i migrate a windows nt server to linux |
| 14:46.11 | michael | ;) |
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| 14:46.45 | Blissex | michael: so ask the question |
| 14:46.48 | michael | the driver can be install automatic on the windows client? |
| 14:46.50 | JediMaster | michael: wish I could, got a few ASP sites to get rid of first =) |
| 14:47.13 | Blissex | michael: yes, it can, it is slightly complicated but not difficult |
| 14:47.13 | sml | JediMaster: I have a portal site running on ASP.net that's I'd like to get rid of myself ;) |
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| 14:47.23 | directhex|work | sml, run it with mono! |
| 14:47.32 | sml | directhex|work: mono ? |
| 14:47.35 | michael | everythink your but i don't want to install the driver on every computer ine that bussiness |
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| 14:47.52 | Blissex | michael: automatic printer download is done with Samba, not with CUPS. |
| 14:47.55 | tools-lt | michael: And I believe you have to set it up in samba as a windows printer. Instead of using IPP and cups. |
| 14:48.17 | Blissex | michael: you can find the details on how to arrange automatic printer download in the Samba HOWTO. |
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| 14:48.44 | Blissex | michael: Samba exports the printer _and the printer driver_ to MS Windows clients, and then uses CUPS to print. |
| 14:48.54 | bobesponja | what kernel comes with sarge on cd1 by default? is it 2.6.8 or 2.4.x or else? |
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| 14:49.03 | michael | thank you |
| 14:49.09 | valdyn_ | bobesponja: both |
| 14:49.11 | sml | directhex|work: oh..... nice... very nice! |
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| 14:49.36 | directhex|work | to be fair, that's the correct way to do it, windows file sharing under windows exports the printer driver in a hidden share |
| 14:49.39 | michael | i have to download the windows driver on the linux server? |
| 14:50.07 | Shadur | michael: And what would you expect that to accomplish? |
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| 14:50.10 | bobesponja | valdyn_: last time I installed sarge it didn't ask me what kernel I wanted to install, is there a way to chose during the install or do I need to change this post installation? |
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| 14:50.34 | tools-lt | bobesponja: sarge uses 2.4 as default, try F1 on boot to see how to use a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:50.46 | Blissex | michael: yes, it has to be available for Samba to offer it to MS Windows clients. |
| 14:50.48 | marc342 | bobesponja: use linux26 at prompt for a 2.6 |
| 14:50.55 | JediMaster | bobesponja: by default it's 2.4 but if you type "linux26" it install with a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:50.57 | michael | ok |
| 14:51.01 | bobesponja | ok thanx guyz |
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| 14:51.32 | michael | i will read the sambe doc ... not at all ;) |
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| 14:51.57 | michael | thank you |
| 14:52.14 | S2B | if I want to start apache1, he doesn't want to do it *g* |
| 14:52.21 | S2B | what can I do now? |
| 14:52.33 | greycat | S2B: hire someone with a clue. |
| 14:52.46 | valdyn_ | S2B: try do be less vague: im sure apache didnt shake his head or say "i dont want" |
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| 14:53.27 | Blissex | michael: http://www.linuxprinting.org/kpfeifle/SambaPrintHOWTO/Samba-HOWTO-Collection-3.0-PrintingChapter-11th-draft.html#9_1 |
| 14:53.30 | grsgdfds | is it possible to bind the postfix to an other port (not 25)? and how? |
| 14:53.33 | bobesponja | I have another question, I use an eagle-usb modem to connect to the net, does it come with sarge on cd1 or do I need to take care of it after the install? |
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| 14:54.19 | directhex|work | bobesponja, looks like you need to install, then use module-assistant to build a module for your kernel |
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| 14:54.57 | S2B | I updated to sarge, installed apache2, but I want to start apache1 now because I want to use the old configuration. But if I enter /etc/init.d/apache start, it doesn't work |
| 14:55.02 | bobesponja | directhex|work: i found debs on the eagle-usb home page |
| 14:55.04 | CyzarX | how do i open a file with extension .chm in debian ? what application i need to view this file ? |
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| 14:55.20 | ricky_clarkson | CyzarX: Windows Help. |
| 14:55.22 | jm_ | CyzarX: apt-cache search chm |
| 14:55.23 | valdyn_ | S2B: apt-get install apache - that should take caer of removing apache2 and installaing apache |
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| 14:55.43 | S2B | does this remove the configuration? |
| 14:55.56 | S2B | aaah, my English, sorry *g* |
| 14:56.01 | ricky_clarkson | No, but the apache2 configuration is meaningless to apache. |
| 14:56.06 | ricky_clarkson | [afaik] |
| 14:56.10 | directhex|work | bobesponja, kernel modules need to be compiled for your EXACT runnign kernel. debian has facilities to do this for you. |
| 14:56.11 | valdyn_ | S2B: no it doesnt, why do you want to remove it? |
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| 14:56.35 | S2B | I don't want to remove it |
| 14:56.36 | bobesponja | ok |
| 14:56.42 | S2B | OK, i'll try |
| 14:57.16 | directhex|work | bobesponja, basically, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i eagle-usb |
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| 14:58.02 | valdyn_ | oh, apache and apache2 dont conflict anymore? |
| 14:58.12 | bobesponja | directhex|work: does module-assistant come with cd1? |
| 14:58.38 | valdyn_ | S2B: apache2 wont be removed by this, but proceed anyway |
| 14:58.48 | directhex|work | bobesponja, absolutely no idea, i'm afraid. the packge -> cd lists aren't published yet as far as i'm aware |
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| 14:59.13 | elephant | Hi all |
| 14:59.20 | bobesponja | directhex|work: ok thanx gotta go |
| 14:59.28 | F-Lelo | Hi! How do I erase my passwords on mysql id I have nothing runing on it ? |
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| 15:00.15 | S2B | apache: bad user name wwwrun :( |
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| 15:00.51 | F-Lelo | I have mysql installed but I'm not using it. The ex server administrator didn't give me the mysql root password. How can I make the password go blank^ |
| 15:00.53 | F-Lelo | ? |
| 15:01.05 | greycat | F-Lelo: /j #mysql |
| 15:01.09 | valdyn_ | S2B: how did you upgrade from woody -> sarge? |
| 15:01.10 | F-Lelo | ok thx |
| 15:01.13 | ambycrao | directhex|work, after "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" the xserver crached, how do I configure the kernel to run xserver? |
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| 15:02.12 | directhex|work | erm... those 2 shouldn't be directly related |
| 15:02.12 | CyzarX | ricky_clarkson, that is nto windows help, i wanna read the content of *.chm in debian |
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| 15:02.44 | S2B | I edited the sources.list, someone told me that I have to do this: replace all 'stable' with 'testing', then I executed apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, but there were some errors :( |
| 15:02.59 | ambycrao | Ater "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" the xserver crached, how do I configure the kernel to run xserver? |
| 15:03.09 | PerfDave | CyzarX: apt-cache search chm | grep -i help |
| 15:03.18 | valdyn_ | S2B: repeat apt-get dist-upgrade, dont ignore those errors, fix them, then you can worry about apache |
| 15:03.29 | S2B | ok |
| 15:03.30 | CyzarX | PerfDave, i got that already. thanks |
| 15:03.43 | directhex|work | ambycrao, the two aren't directly related. what exactly happened, what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:04.02 | S2B | shall I update flex? |
| 15:04.36 | ambycrao | directhex|work, the xserver goes down at startup, I don't know what to do |
| 15:04.54 | valdyn_ | S2B: you are upgrading from woody to sarge, you're supposed to upgrade everything possible |
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| 15:05.03 | S2B | ok |
| 15:05.21 | directhex|work | ambycrao, read yoru log file & determine the problem |
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| 15:05.47 | ambycrao | directhex|work, Where is the logs? |
| 15:06.04 | marc342 | S2B: i read somewhere that the recommended method for upgrading to sarge is to use aptitude |
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| 15:06.23 | greycat | doesn't matter as long as he fixes all the errors. |
| 15:06.50 | valdyn_ | i swear dselect is best ;) |
| 15:07.02 | S2B | shall I update the mysql config-file? |
| 15:07.19 | mwilson | Is that going to be in the official notes? Use the broken aptitude to upgrade instead of dselect? |
| 15:07.19 | valdyn_ | S2B: probably not, but how am I to know |
| 15:07.21 | greycat | shall I ask someone to tie my shoes for me? |
| 15:07.26 | greycat | shall I ask someone to comb my hair for me? |
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| 15:07.33 | valdyn_ | S2B: try to go with default choices |
| 15:07.48 | mwilson | S2B: If you have to ask all these questions, why are you moving the box to testing? |
| 15:07.49 | PerfDave | greycat: My boots need a polish, if you're offering. |
| 15:07.51 | Noid | greycat: hmmm if you have enough money and are a megalomaniac, i don't see why not |
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| 15:08.26 | greycat | mwilson: we already *know* he's clueless because he has apache2 installed. |
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| 15:08.42 | PC_ | buenas |
| 15:08.43 | PC_ | a todos |
| 15:08.48 | greycat | !es |
| 15:08.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:09.01 | S2B | mwilson: Because somewone told me that sarge is better than woody. Also I want to use the new php ;) |
| 15:09.03 | sussudio | tejones? |
| 15:09.08 | directhex|work | ambycrao, /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 15:09.28 | PC_ | hi everyone |
| 15:09.29 | Noid | sussudio: tejón, i think (singular) |
| 15:09.30 | greycat | if I were starting up a new business, I wouldn't name it "ono". |
| 15:09.35 | jpdp | If installing a stock stable installation on one machine and moving the drive to another machine, how can I installer kernel drive modules that couldn't be installed on the first machine (such as ethernet drivers for a card that didn't exist on it) |
| 15:09.40 | Rawplayer | 779900000000mj |
| 15:09.41 | S2B | there are some errors :( |
| 15:09.57 | Noid | greycat: well, ono is a ISP here, in spanish it doesn't sound bad at all |
| 15:10.00 | PC_ | anyone can help me? |
| 15:10.09 | greycat | Noid: but in English, it sounds like "Oh no!" |
| 15:10.10 | valdyn_ | jpdp: add them to /etc/modules would be one way |
| 15:10.15 | mwilson | greycat: But... but... it has a higher version number! It *must* be better! |
| 15:10.17 | Noid | greycat: yep, i know |
| 15:10.36 | S2B | Error: libssl.so does not have a corresponding .info file. | Error: mod_frontpage.so does not have a corresponding .info file. | dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-perl (--configure): |
| 15:10.38 | Garabuyo | pear --help |
| 15:10.38 | Garabuyo | <br /> |
| 15:10.38 | Garabuyo | <b>Fatal error</b>: Failed opening required 'PEAR.php' (include_path='.:') in <b>/usr/bin/pear</b> on line <b>44</b><br /> |
| 15:11.20 | S2B | what's that? |
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| 15:12.03 | PC_ | anyone knows how to install madwifi |
| 15:12.27 | jpdp | (A.K.A. How do you install a stock kernel driver after install (or where do I find them)? |
| 15:12.31 | suncomet | PC_: i have one installed |
| 15:12.40 | jpdp | module rather |
| 15:12.50 | greycat | jpdp: modconf |
| 15:12.58 | jpdp | greycat: Thanks. |
| 15:13.17 | valdyn_ | S2B: try apt-get --purge remove libapache-mod-perl - if that works, just proceed |
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| 15:15.48 | S2B | valdyn_: Many errors |
| 15:16.20 | greycat | Find the lynchpin package -- the one that's holding up all the others. Figure out EXACTLY what is wrong with it. Fix it. |
| 15:16.26 | directhex|work | jpdp, kernel drivers usually come with the kernel. it helps if you install a real kernel, ince woody's boot floppy or compact install kernels lack drivers |
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| 15:18.27 | js_ | is it possible to have have the debian package of ircd-hybrid use SSL? |
| 15:18.42 | js_ | it says "(if enabled) SSL client support..." |
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| 15:20.55 | S2B | valdyn_: What happens if I delete all packages that have errors? |
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| 15:22.31 | S2B | these packages have errors: libapache-mod-perl, bind |
| 15:22.36 | archpollux | hello |
| 15:22.38 | Blissex | S2B: things can get worse, because of the web of dependencies. If other packages depends on the packages that you remove, then those will also have errors. |
| 15:22.45 | archpollux | how can i resolve an ip to a hw addr? |
| 15:23.04 | S2B | Blissey: aaah *g* |
| 15:23.09 | hogballs | I have debian sarge installed and I take my computer to work everyday. Will plugging in a different monitor mess up X? |
| 15:23.21 | marc342 | archpollux: arp |
| 15:23.22 | S2B | so what can I do now? |
| 15:23.24 | ldexter | arafat: using ARP |
| 15:23.27 | Blissex | S2B: you could do better to fix the errors. However AFAIK not much depends on those two. |
| 15:23.51 | archpollux | what if it's not in the cache? |
| 15:23.59 | ldexter | ping the ip |
| 15:24.01 | hogballs | Otherwise ill be stuck in windows all day |
| 15:24.05 | Blissex | S2B: the best thing to solve problems is t o use 'aptitude' or 'synaptic' that give you a clear picture of what the problems (dependencies, conflicts, ...) are. |
| 15:24.19 | ldexter | if it's directly connected your machine should make an arp request |
| 15:24.28 | archpollux | it doesn't |
| 15:24.37 | ldexter | are you able to ping the host? |
| 15:24.49 | Blissex | S2B: hogballs if the monitor is not too different, things should just work. |
| 15:24.55 | toresbe | is there a way to make a user immediately SSH to another machine on login? |
| 15:24.56 | Blissex | hogballs: if the monitor is not too different, things should just work. |
| 15:25.00 | toresbe | Securely, that is |
| 15:25.30 | hogballs | Blissex, ok thanks . both are 17 inch but the original config is based off a lower bandwidth hungry monitor so i think its going to work fine |
| 15:25.34 | Blissex | toresbe: set his login shell to be a script that does that, with an 'exec'. |
| 15:25.43 | Blissex | hogballs: yes, that should be OK. |
| 15:25.45 | drac | hogballs: Why don't you google your hsync and vsync before plugging in, and edit XF86Config-4 manually. |
| 15:26.05 | archpollux | nevermind, i was on a different network |
| 15:26.05 | toresbe | Blissex: would it be secure to just enter "ssh cobol" in the bashrc of the user? |
| 15:26.09 | archpollux | works now |
| 15:26.12 | ldexter | k |
| 15:26.13 | Blissex | hogballs: usually if you let the X server get the monitor parameters via DDC/PnP, things will ''just work''. |
| 15:26.25 | Blissex | toresbe: secure in what way? |
| 15:26.42 | hogballs | Blissex, so are you begging to differ from what drac told me? |
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| 15:27.06 | Blissex | hogballs: <drac>'s way is another way, less flexible and a bit safer. |
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| 15:27.24 | toresbe | Blissex: so that, they can't do anything else |
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| 15:27.34 | cahoot | hogballs: since x doesn't rewrite it's config you won't have any risk messing it up |
| 15:27.36 | toresbe | Blissex: here's what I want to do: |
| 15:27.38 | Blissex | toresbe: on the local machine? |
| 15:27.56 | toresbe | Blissex: I have a PDP-11, and a dedicated shell machine running minicom in a screen |
| 15:27.57 | martynas | is there a msn capable messenger in woody |
| 15:28.03 | ambycrao | how do i mount hdb5? |
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| 15:28.37 | S2B | Blissex: How can I install sarge with aptitude? |
| 15:28.55 | ambycrao | martynas, amsn I think |
| 15:29.08 | toresbe | Blissex: I want a user to be able to ssh to the gateway machine, fortran, be immediately transferred to the shell machine, for the time being cobol, where a screen would be attached yielding minicom, connected to the serial console port of the PDP-11 |
| 15:29.19 | nSe | martynas: i've been wordering about this... but find out about amsn or kopete |
| 15:29.34 | zoor | where exaclty does the kde themes get downloaded if I use apt-get ? Cant see it in my controlcenter,,, |
| 15:30.04 | Blissex | toresbe: that's what you want to do, but it is not a security spec... |
| 15:30.20 | takatumi | zoor: dpkg -L <package> |
| 15:30.40 | Blissex | toresbe: also, is there any reason why you want them to log into an intermediate server instead of directly to the server where they really need to? |
| 15:30.41 | toresbe | Blissex: well, I want the person not to be able to run anything else on either machine (as the password will be public) |
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| 15:30.54 | toresbe | Blissex: yes, it's on the local network |
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| 15:31.57 | nSe | hey people: i'm new on debian, which one i should try: kde or gnome? |
| 15:32.08 | toresbe | gnome, in my opinion is better |
| 15:32.19 | marc342 | nSe: both |
| 15:32.19 | Blissex | toresbe: if you want to prevent ''escape'' to the local machine, that requires very careful thought. |
| 15:32.29 | nSe | toresb: why? |
| 15:32.53 | Blissex | toresbe: 'ssh ....' in '~/.bashrc' is not going to be enough :-) |
| 15:32.59 | toresbe | nSe: it looks prettier, has cleaner design, and is less bloated and more snappy |
| 15:33.01 | ambycrao | How do i mount a partition (say hdb5)? |
| 15:33.09 | nSe | marc342: but i need to organize my desktop, just one is enough |
| 15:33.28 | octavious | it all depends on what you want |
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| 15:33.40 | Blissex | nSe: it is largely a matter of taste, they are both nice, <toresbe> likes GNOME, I personally like KDE better. |
| 15:33.43 | octavious | there are more wm's then gnome and kde |
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| 15:33.58 | cahoot | nSe: the whole matter is like religious advice - don't exĺect any real help |
| 15:34.01 | toresbe | Blissex: what version of gnome have you tried? |
| 15:34.04 | Blissex | ambycrao: depends on how you want to do it. |
| 15:34.04 | marc342 | nSe: try both and make your choise |
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| 15:34.20 | octavious | but an old slow machine wouldn't do so well with either gnome or kde, i'd use fluxbox on an old machine |
| 15:34.28 | toresbe | nSe: and also, if you have a less-than-new machine, fluxbox is IMO a very nice window manager |
| 15:34.36 | Blissex | toresbe: all :-) They are all half-finished messes. So is KDE, but more than half-finished and a bit less of a mess. |
| 15:34.43 | ambycrao | Blissex, I have never mounted a partition manually before, tell me more |
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| 15:34.55 | nSe | i've heard much about kde this days. it's seems that kde is more friendly and gnome is for developers... is this right? |
| 15:35.03 | toresbe | nSe: not at all |
| 15:35.15 | toresbe | nSe: I'd personally say if anything the opposite |
| 15:35.29 | Blissex | ambycrao: well, some nice file managers/desktop environments will do it for you, for example usually KDE or GNOME give you some nice icon to do it |
| 15:35.37 | martynas | is it a bad idea to compile glibc by hand ? instead of using apt-get |
| 15:35.49 | Blissex | ambycrao: command line is something like 'mount -t TYPE /dev/PART /mnt/DIR' |
| 15:36.07 | zoor | takatumi: kwin-baghira is the name... and by doing the command you just gave I get a bunch of dirs. How do I know which file to pick? |
| 15:36.12 | Blissex | martynas: it is a bad idea to compile _anything_ by hand unless you are an experienced developer. |
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| 15:36.30 | Blissex | martynas: GLIBC is a particularly tricky subject to properly compile. |
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| 15:36.59 | takatumi | zoor: haven't tried kde or it's themes, wouldn't know, check if there are any READMEs in any of those dirs. |
| 15:37.22 | ambycrao | Blissex, after using "mount -t Linux /dev/hdb5 /mnt", Will data that is stored in /mnt be located in hdb5? |
| 15:37.38 | Blissex | ambycrao: the opposite.... |
| 15:37.40 | martynas | Blissex: well i keep getting this GLIBC_2.3 no found error...my whole system is messed up because i supposedly installed something from the unstable tree ....how do i find or deinstall what is unstable on my system |
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| 15:38.10 | martynas | Blissex: i am about to shoot myself if i dont figure out a solution |
| 15:38.11 | Blissex | ambycrao: data contained in the 'hdb5' partition will be accessible as a subtree of 'mnt/' |
| 15:38.11 | nSe | hmm... i think i'll be a kde user |
| 15:38.16 | fuat | does anyone know if there is a irc -channel for xmms |
| 15:38.21 | ambycrao | Blissex, The filesystem Linux is not supported by the kernel, huh |
| 15:38.28 | Blissex | martynas: do you _really_ need to have a purely 'stable' system? |
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| 15:38.30 | nSe | fuat: #xmms |
| 15:38.45 | fuat | thank you ;-) |
| 15:38.53 | gudi | hi when try to create an image with create_compessed_fs i get an error |
| 15:38.54 | gudi | debbox:/home/maurer# create_compressed_fs extracted_fs 65536 > filesystem.cloop |
| 15:38.54 | gudi | Opening input: File too large |
| 15:38.54 | Blissex | ambycrao: filesystem types are things like 'ext3' or 'vfat' |
| 15:38.58 | gudi | whats going on ? |
| 15:39.05 | PerfDave | nSe: The KDE / Gnome thing is entirely a matter of opinion. Personally, I'll only use KDE, and didn't really get into Linux until I discovered it. |
| 15:39.21 | martynas | Blissex: no but nothing works now...and for instance php4 is complaining that there is not glibc_2.3 |
| 15:39.25 | Blissex | martynas: because it is pretty easy to install the GLIBC 2.3 on a 'stable' system, and this will fix everything. |
| 15:39.31 | ambycrao | Blissex, what about if I run Linux as filesystem on hdb5 |
| 15:39.42 | Blissex | ambycrao: that is a meaningless question. |
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| 15:39.49 | possie_ | hi |
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| 15:40.11 | ambycrao | Blissex, mount -t vfat /dev/hdb5? |
| 15:40.11 | martynas | Blissex: howdo i go about doing that... apt-get doesnt even work ...its complaining about a bunch of depenedancies |
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| 15:40.36 | Blissex | martynas: as to PHP etc., there are places likes 'backports.org' and 'dotDeb.org' that have backports of most stuff. |
| 15:41.29 | martynas | Blisex: where do i get glibc2.3 as a *.deb ? |
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| 15:42.23 | Blissex | martynas: from the 'unstable' respitory or the 'testing' one. |
| 15:42.24 | zoor | takatumi, there was. But it was in the format .gz (?) and nano could open it. Any ideas? |
| 15:42.37 | Blissex | martynas: wait a sec.... you can select that with 'apt-get'. |
| 15:42.58 | Taliesin` | Hmm, google aint helping either tonight..... FAQ has nuthing, trying to do IPMASQ between two eth devices (eth0 / eth1 respectively), both are pingable on their respectable networks (one's internet one's local) I can ping the ip of eth0 from the eth1 side of the network, but I cannot get past there.... |
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| 15:43.59 | takatumi | zoor: try zcat or zless |
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| 15:44.18 | Blissex | Marticus: try for example 'apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-20' |
| 15:44.21 | Blissex | oops |
| 15:44.22 | zoor | takatumi, thnx |
| 15:44.25 | martynas | Blissex: my apt-get is gone out the window after installing libc6 .. i dont know how i can fix it .... the best solution for me is to find the backages that were unstable and reinstall a stable version in their place no ? |
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| 15:44.45 | Blissex | martynas: try for example 'apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-20' I use that on a mostly-'stable' machine. |
| 15:44.58 | jsn | Can I re "preconfigure" a package that failed to install (it's j2sdk1.4, like an idiot I said "no" to the license agreement, and now I can't seem to install it at all) |
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| 15:45.02 | Blissex | martynas: downgrading packages may require more skills than you seem to have. |
| 15:45.30 | nSe | PerfDave: that's what i'll do. kde is my choice. one question: do you think i'll have some advantage on installing unstable debian version in here? i'm a new linux user wanting to be a developer |
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| 15:45.38 | PerfDave | nSe: No |
| 15:45.39 | drac | Hmm, seems like gaim-vv isn't in sid yet, can anyone recommend good (unofficial) repository to get it? |
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| 15:45.52 | martynas | Blissex: so what is the easiest method of restoring peace and order without reintalling ...completely |
| 15:46.12 | Blissex | martynas: upgrade the 'libc6' package to a 2.3 one. |
| 15:46.46 | PerfDave | nSe: Don't run Unstable. It doesn't break often, but when it does it can break hard. Run Testing if you want modern software, at least until you get used to the Debian process. |
| 15:47.46 | Blissex | martynas: again, just try 'apt-get install libc6=2.3.2.ds1-20' that might be the easiest/quickest fix. |
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| 15:49.11 | Blissex | martynas: still there? |
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| 15:49.41 | zoor | does theme's usually end with a specific extension? And if yes,,, whats the extension? |
| 15:50.11 | Blissex | zoor: not really. depends on what the theme is for. usually themes are collections of things, not single files or even single archives. |
| 15:50.30 | jsn | Can I re "preconfigure" a package? It failed to preconfigure, so I can't uninstall it, and whatever caused it to fail (oper error) won't let it install in the future. |
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| 15:52.03 | zoor | Blissex, yeah thats what I though. And when I apt-get'ed the theme I wanted it just spread all around my computer. Dont understand anything now. I read the readme file and it says go to "this" dit and write this and that. But the readme file is based on if you download the file manually... now I'm really confused |
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| 15:53.18 | Blissex | zoor: usually Debian packages themes are ''just configured right''. After you install them you as a rule can just select them for whatever app they are for. |
| 15:53.23 | takatumi | zoor: it probably didn't just work because you are running xandros. |
| 15:53.37 | nSe | zoor: what are you trying to do with your theme? |
| 15:53.43 | Blissex | zoor: most apps just have a theme selection menu. Some require manual configuration. |
| 15:54.22 | possie_ | is stepping of a CPU just a microcode update? or is it really hardware diffrences? |
| 15:54.23 | zoor | takatumi, Hmm everyother Debain package have worked.. and so should this. This is for KDE and not Debian specific |
| 15:54.30 | zoor | nSe, use it :) |
| 15:54.36 | jsn | I accidentally hit "no" on the license agreement for the j2sdk. It failed to install with "preconfigure" error. I can't get another crack at the question? Seems like it. |
| 15:55.12 | nSe | zoor: that's what i thought :) |
| 15:55.25 | chruriad | jsn: that's what you get for telling the truth |
| 15:55.43 | zoor | nSe, was harder than I thought :) |
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| 15:56.52 | jsn | chruriad, but, for me, now, it wasn't the truth. Sigh. Where is it stashing my no? |
| 15:56.55 | takatumi | PerfDave: that's paulswm's domain apparently :) |
| 15:57.13 | PerfDave | takatumi: Yes, sorry, I was invoking funniness on another channel. |
| 15:57.17 | daft | is there a tool for nvidia that compiles a new nvidia module after getting a new nvidia-glx with apt-get? |
| 15:57.20 | Blissex | possie_: it could be both. Some bug fixes in a new stepping cna mean minor incompatbilities too. |
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| 15:57.30 | PerfDave | daft: module-assistant |
| 15:57.33 | PerfDave | daft: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 15:58.30 | daft | PerfDave, isnt that make-kpkg modules-image? |
| 15:58.38 | PerfDave | daft: No |
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| 16:00.33 | possie_ | Blissex: well the thing is, i have a dual cpu box, and i want to add a new cpu, but i was wondering if i need to have the stepping of both cpu's the same i guess i do, so then i was wondering if i could just update the microcode of the cpu, so both cpu in my box have the same stepping |
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| 16:01.07 | Blissex | possie_ it is not a mere microcode thing... |
| 16:01.16 | Blissex | possie_: but depends on the steppings. |
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| 16:01.33 | Blissex | possie_ you can try and risk it, usually it works even if the steppings are different. |
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| 16:02.05 | Blissex | possie_: the safe thing is exactly identical CPUs, so the BIOS can set them up exactly the same. |
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| 16:02.37 | possie_ | Blissex: okee it's a product box so i guess i'll try my best to find the same stepping |
| 16:03.10 | Blissex | possie_: or buy _two_ new CPUs with the same stepping and usxe the old one somewhere else. |
| 16:03.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart Blissex |
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| 16:04.06 | jsn | OK, I plead ignorance. What's /sys? Is that some SysV or BSD compat thing I compiled in? |
| 16:05.28 | Blissex | possie_: there are places that stock and sell old steppings for precisely that purpose, but they tend to have collector's prices, well above the price of two new CPUs with the same stepping. |
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| 16:07.04 | Blissex | jsn: '/sys' is a a partial replacement for '/proc' |
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| 16:07.21 | edward__ | hi |
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| 16:07.55 | jsn | Thanks, Blissex |
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| 16:15.41 | cowboy | hi |
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| 16:16.05 | directhex|work | elirips, mount it. it'll probably be /dev/sda1 if you have no scsi devices |
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| 16:17.30 | elirips | directhex|work: wow - thanks :) that's almost as easy as in windows :) |
| 16:17.52 | elirips | is it possible to add something to /etc/fstab so usb-sticks get mounted automatically if they are plugged in? |
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| 16:19.01 | PerfDave | elirips: No. You can use gnome-volume-manager to handle that if you don't mind risking udev breaking everything. |
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| 16:19.22 | directhex|work | elirips, what PerfDave said. there are also even messier options such as supermount or whatever, iirc |
| 16:19.45 | FieldySnuts | heh he said messier |
| 16:19.45 | elirips | PerfDave: No, that's too risky, then i prefer adding a link to a script that mounts it onto the desktop that you have to run as root. |
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| 16:20.17 | possie_ | Blissex: thanks for the info |
| 16:20.42 | Blissex | PerfDave: that's a particularly crass way of doing it... |
| 16:20.47 | hogballs | how do i find out if debian has the installed support for ntfs mounting? |
| 16:20.58 | elirips | but now another question: i can only view the content on the stick as root. chown -R, and chgrp -R does not work. i only get permissions denied. what to do about that? |
| 16:21.02 | hogballs | 'Good Morning FieldySnuts! |
| 16:21.07 | PerfDave | Blissex: Got a better option? |
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| 16:21.14 | Blissex | hogballs: 'cat /proc/filesystems' |
| 16:21.21 | PerfDave | elirips: Pass relevant options to "mount". |
| 16:21.24 | Blissex | PerfDave: regrettably not really... |
| 16:21.47 | elirips | PefDave: Why can't i change the ownership of the mountpoint after the device has been mounted? |
| 16:21.53 | Blissex | PerfDave: 'am-utils' or 'automount' are only marginally safer. I really dislike automounting in general. |
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| 16:22.01 | hogballs | ok how do i read this chart. |
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| 16:22.10 | hogballs | nodev and some are blank |
| 16:22.16 | PerfDave | elirips: Because that's not how mounting works, basically. |
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| 16:22.42 | elirips | PefDave: hm, okay, going to read the man pages, sorry for the question, i am just lazy sometimes |
| 16:22.52 | drac | hogballs: lsmod | grep ntfs (if you are running debian stock kernel) |
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| 16:23.04 | drac | hogballs: modprobe ntfs (to load support) |
| 16:23.12 | PerfDave | elirips: Please, use tab-complete in your IRC client. If you type my name as "PefDave" when it's actually "PerfDave" then I don't get it highlighted which makes it harder for me to follow. |
| 16:23.31 | ricky_clarkson | PervDafe |
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| 16:23.41 | elirips | PerfDave: done. |
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| 16:24.43 | chruriad | PerfDave: you dont have to type tab, if i see correctly, he missed the r before the f, when typing your name |
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| 16:26.53 | PerfDave | chruriad: Uhm, yes. |
| 16:27.27 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# lsmod | grep ntfs |
| 16:27.27 | hogballs | ntfs 102164 0 |
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| 16:28.38 | hogballs | the only reason i asked is because after editing fstab and launching mount -a i get this crap |
| 16:28.42 | hogballs | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 16:28.42 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.42 | now3d | Hi, My sarge install has this error when booting up "/sbin/init: 431 cannot open dev/console: No such file" any ideas? the display and keyboard ctrl+alt+del work |
| 16:29.03 | now3d | it then displays "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" this sounds worrying |
| 16:29.10 | PerfDave | now3d: When did this start happening? Where do you see this error? |
| 16:29.33 | possie_ | Blissex: btw, on the intel site i read steppings denoted as "d1" or "c1" but when i look at /proc/cpuinfo i only see stepping 5, how can i find out which stepping 5 is? |
| 16:29.43 | otje | after reinstall, when I copy files with samba, my load averages go above 6 and copying is extremly slow... didn't have this problem with the previous install |
| 16:29.49 | otje | anybody an idea where to look at? |
| 16:29.57 | now3d | PerfDave: Hi, thanks for your help. I just installed an identical mobo to my previous which bust.. |
| 16:30.05 | ricky_clarkson | #samba |
| 16:30.08 | Blissex | possie_: interesting question... |
| 16:30.11 | appaji | otje: is it slow only with samba or all writes? |
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| 16:30.46 | now3d | PerfDave: Just noticed something else before: sata_via: SATA master/Slave not supported (0xe2) |
| 16:30.52 | PerfDave | now3d: How did it bust? |
| 16:30.52 | appaji | otje: I was wondering if you had read-ahead, buffering etc. tuned better using hdparm in the previous install. |
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| 16:31.06 | now3d | PerfDave: My B |
| 16:31.06 | PerfDave | now3d: I'd be tempted to unplug the hard drives, and boot with a memtest CD to check your RAM. |
| 16:31.30 | otje | i'll try to test something with other writes |
| 16:31.37 | now3d | PerfDave: The PSU burned out the floppy drive and blew the onboard soud |
| 16:31.41 | otje | previous installation wasn't entirely done by me, so I don't know |
| 16:31.49 | PerfDave | now3d: Check your ram, badblocks your disk. |
| 16:31.53 | oZt | PerfDave, can't u run memtest with hard drives plugged in? |
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| 16:32.17 | now3d | PerfDave: win2k works on the same machinhe,. but it will not detect IDE dvd drive, the hdd works ok there tho.. |
| 16:32.19 | PerfDave | oZt: You can, but it's always a good idea to minimise the number of variables while diagnosing stuff. |
| 16:32.22 | lestest | hi there. Is there something available for authomatic wireless configuration?~ |
| 16:32.37 | oZt | PerfDave, ok, cause I do with them plugged in... |
| 16:32.38 | now3d | PerfDave: ok, i'll try that, thanks |
| 16:32.39 | PerfDave | now3d: It's still worth checking. Linux is more finicky about good RAM. |
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| 16:33.13 | now3d | PerfDave: ok, i'll try that, thanks? |
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| 16:33.26 | now3d | oops |
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| 16:34.12 | lestest | I mean something that automatically detect wireless network available and let you configure your nic with the choosen one? |
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| 16:34.47 | now3d | PerfDave: do you think BIOS settings could cause these problems? |
| 16:34.54 | PerfDave | now3d: Doubtful. |
| 16:35.04 | PerfDave | lestest: apt-cache search wireless |
| 16:35.08 | usn | hi all |
| 16:35.16 | PerfDave | now3d: But hardware isn't really my schtick. |
| 16:35.20 | lestest | PerfDave: is waproamd a good one? |
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| 16:35.28 | PerfDave | lestest: No idea. |
| 16:35.35 | PerfDave | lestest: Try it and see. |
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| 16:35.45 | elirips | does someone know a good program for linux to create html-pages? nothing to complicated, but i would prefer something graphical, i don't like writing html-code in an editor. |
| 16:35.56 | lestest | I can't do it here ... that's why I was asking for suggestions |
| 16:35.59 | PerfDave | elirips: I think Mozilla has such a feature, as does OpenOffice.org |
| 16:36.03 | CraHan | hey, does anyone know what happened with the latest X packages? |
| 16:36.06 | directhex|work | elirips, www.nvu.com ? |
| 16:36.12 | directhex|work | elirips, or openoffice.org writer |
| 16:36.19 | directhex|work | CraHan, what about them? |
| 16:36.20 | CraHan | after I did a dist-upgrade last friday, X refuses to start |
| 16:36.26 | elirips | PerfDave: I don't like what comes with mozilla. |
| 16:36.27 | CraHan | no more usable screens |
| 16:36.33 | directhex|work | CraHan, what driver? |
| 16:36.34 | CraHan | didn't change the config files |
| 16:36.36 | PerfDave | elirips: *shrug* that's not my problem. |
| 16:36.38 | CraHan | i810 |
| 16:36.43 | PerfDave | CraHan: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 16:36.55 | elirips | directhex|work: hmm.. i've seen that... is it not as crappy as what ms-word does when you start it in html-function? |
| 16:36.56 | CraHan | only starts in 16bit and 640x480 |
| 16:37.05 | elirips | PerfDave: you're right with that ;) |
| 16:37.13 | directhex|work | elirips, no. |
| 16:37.14 | CraHan | before that I had 24bit at 1024x768 |
| 16:37.41 | elirips | directhex|work: okay, going to have a look at it. i just got a bad-feeling if i hear about word-processors that also do html ;) |
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| 16:38.10 | directhex|work | elirips, well if you want the girly option rather than proper html... |
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| 16:38.30 | elirips | directhex|work: girly option? |
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| 16:39.19 | Phated | Eh, what girly option, eh? |
| 16:39.36 | PerfDave | elirips: Using a GUI to create HTML == girly option, I suspect. |
| 16:39.40 | swatikiss | i am having trouble getting my firewall up with this 2 interface computer.... debian sarge, shorewall - i can connect to it with dhcp from another computer , but i cannot access the outside internet |
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| 16:40.32 | PerfDave | swatikiss: Have you set up something to pass traffic between the interfaces? Are you sure you can't access the external interface? Tried running tcpdump on it? Can you access the Internet from the firewall machine? Are you using ipmasq if required? |
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| 16:41.00 | elirips | PerfDave: okay, i see. won't reply to that, it's the same like 'lynx' is enough for everything. |
| 16:41.37 | CraHan | PerfDave: No Video BIOS mode for chosen depth |
| 16:41.50 | CraHan | strange that the chosen depth worked fine before the dist-upgrade |
| 16:41.57 | swatikiss | PerfDave I believe I have passed traffic b/t the interfaces - although something is messed up - i can access the internet from the fw box(on it right now) if i have shorewall stopped... |
| 16:42.06 | PerfDave | elirips: No, lynx is not enough for everything, no matter what mwilson says. But vim is all you need to edit HTML. |
| 16:42.11 | Wanou | Does someone know the difference between /libqt3/ and /libqt3c102/ ? |
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| 16:42.32 | PerfDave | CraHan: Hmm, not familiar with that error, try googling for it. |
| 16:42.33 | swatikiss | PerfDave the rules say to accept traffic from the local internet and to block internet from the fw box - so it at least blocks from the fw box when it is running... |
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| 16:42.37 | PerfDave | CraHan: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:42.42 | CraHan | Unstable |
| 16:42.43 | elirips | PerfDave: okay, okay.. now i think i am going to use dreamweaver under wine ;) |
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| 16:42.47 | PerfDave | CraHan: Did you check the BTS? |
| 16:42.50 | CraHan | which I know, is exactly just that :) |
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| 16:42.54 | CraHan | BTS? |
| 16:42.57 | CraHan | ah no |
| 16:43.00 | jcdubacq | hi |
| 16:43.09 | Phated | PerfDave: He says links2, actually. |
| 16:43.12 | jcdubacq | anybody familiar with the debian policy? |
| 16:43.16 | PerfDave | elirips: Why not try the other non-Mozilla alternatives that have been suggested? |
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| 16:43.26 | nomed^ | hi |
| 16:43.34 | jcdubacq | I found a package (gaim-dev) lacking changelog.gz or changelog.Debian.gz |
| 16:43.36 | nomed^ | i 'm trying to play a dvd |
| 16:43.54 | nomed^ | i made s ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd |
| 16:43.55 | jcdubacq | is this a bug according to policy 12.7? |
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| 16:44.28 | nomed^ | but it doesn't play the dvd and doesn't show the menu of the movie |
| 16:44.55 | elirips | PerfDave: that was not what i really am going to do, i am just looking at what has been sugested.. first problem i got is anyway to find out on which harddisk i got the data about that page i need.. and i can't connect more than 3 at one time.. that will keep me busy for the next few hours |
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| 16:45.24 | hogballs | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 16:45.29 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:45.46 | yhg | Has anyone had problems with the xfce4 in unstable not saving preferences when it quits? |
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| 16:46.04 | PerfDave | yhg: Checked the BTS? |
| 16:46.10 | abakar | hello |
| 16:46.12 | hogballs | is there any way i can run 2 different sound servers at same time? |
| 16:46.19 | PerfDave | hogballs: Yes, but why would you want to? |
| 16:46.20 | abakar | only english or i can speak in french ? |
| 16:46.24 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 16:46.24 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:46.30 | hogballs | like i want alsa for my sb audigy and oss for my onboard nvidia |
| 16:46.45 | hogballs | because im a geek |
| 16:46.53 | PerfDave | hogballs: Neither ALSA nor OSS are sound servers. |
| 16:47.08 | PerfDave | hogballs: ALSA is designed to cope with multiple soundcards, I believe. |
| 16:47.19 | hogballs | really. interesting |
| 16:47.23 | yhg | PerfDave: Yeah. |
| 16:47.25 | hogballs | !dpkg alsa |
| 16:47.26 | dpkg | from memory, alsa is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 16:47.51 | Phated | Oh, FFS, /msg the bot. |
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| 16:48.36 | hogballs | my sb audigy was detected but its not really working |
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| 16:48.56 | hogballs | so i enabled my onboard and that works fine |
| 16:48.57 | sequethin | the dpkg program is telling me that my mysql-server package is in an inconsistent state. it says I should reinstall it before i remove it, but I can't remove it, or install it, because it segfaults? is there some way to force it? (--force didnt seem to work) |
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| 16:49.29 | jsn | pre-inst is the pre-configure script? |
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| 16:50.02 | nSe | do anyone know the name of the italian channel? |
| 16:50.19 | knt | what's the function of HUSHLOGIN_FILE in login.defs (i couldn't understand the comment explanation) |
| 16:50.20 | ricky_clarkson | !italian |
| 16:50.21 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 16:50.45 | martynas | which is more "stable" testing or unstable? |
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| 16:50.51 | cahoot | hogballs: you'll have a hard time trying to mix oss and alsa on a system |
| 16:51.12 | jsn | martynas, well, "testing" will be "stable" very soon (they say). |
| 16:51.21 | clusty | i have mounted through NFS some common software from my campus. When I try to exec any of it I get: "bash: ./idl: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied". What's wrong? |
| 16:51.22 | hogballs | well im researching on how to use alsa only so i can test my audigy out to see if it will beep for me |
| 16:51.23 | jsn | s/very soon/soon enough/ |
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| 16:51.33 | simon_ | oh,oss alsa esd... |
| 16:51.37 | nSe | martynas: can't you read their names? |
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| 16:52.04 | simon_ | I'm just configuring Skype on my debian desktop, difficult |
| 16:52.05 | martynas | nSe: just wanted to confirm ... |
| 16:52.13 | martynas | jsn: thanks |
| 16:52.17 | appaji | clusty: you may have mounted it with no-exec permissions. |
| 16:52.26 | appaji | clusty: check the man mount page for NFS options and set that right. |
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| 16:52.52 | sphex | ahoy |
| 16:52.54 | clusty | appaji: i have in fstab"10.70.2.101:/export/linux/opt /usr/local/clamv nfs exec,users,defaults,ro 0 0" |
| 16:52.59 | nSe | martynas: i'm joking :) |
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| 16:53.15 | nickv111 | Hello |
| 16:53.42 | appaji | clusty: the next thing to check would be if the stuff exported on NFS is binary compatible with your system. |
| 16:53.46 | nickv111 | On debian ppc, I experience segmentation faults when using artsdsp with some programs |
| 16:53.51 | sphex | hey. how to get the C headers for some library. ex, say, libjpeg.. what should I do to get the headers of that package? |
| 16:54.02 | asg | sphex: install that lib's -dev package |
| 16:54.03 | appaji | clusty: why don't you run 'strace <program>' and see which of the system calls fails. |
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| 16:54.05 | davis | hello |
| 16:54.18 | jsn | I used mc to rerun the pre-inst script and have it reask me the license questions. It installs fine now. |
| 16:54.19 | PerfDave | sphex: apt-cache search libjpeg dev |
| 16:54.23 | sphex | asg, so I should try to apt-get install libjpeg-dev? |
| 16:54.24 | clusty | appaji: the stuff runs smoothlly on other x86's like mine |
| 16:54.28 | nickv111 | When I do a backtrace, all the lines look like this: |
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| 16:54.30 | nickv111 | #1 0x0e6899e8 in g_thread_self () from /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 |
| 16:54.35 | PerfDave | sphex: or "apt-cache source libjpeg" to compile against the source. |
| 16:54.37 | asg | sphex: no, you should search for the correct package using 'apt-cache search' |
| 16:54.41 | asg | sphex: then install it |
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| 16:54.42 | nickv111 | There are 22 of those |
| 16:54.43 | slocate | does debian support the dell internal wirells cards? |
| 16:54.43 | davis | any idea how to get gdm to automatically starts some X applications on startup? .xession, xinitrc, and .desktop dont seem to work. |
| 16:54.46 | greycat | nickv111: debian's programs and libs are all stripped. |
| 16:54.48 | now3d | PerfDave: Hii, still there? I ran memtest86 and the memory seems ok |
| 16:54.49 | trask | starting X makes my xf86OpenSerial complain about it cant find my mouse.. how do i set that mouse to a different path? |
| 16:54.49 | sphex | ok.. |
| 16:54.51 | greycat | nickv111: there are no debugging symbols in them |
| 16:54.52 | asg | slocate: only with ndiswrapper |
| 16:54.54 | nickv111 | I see |
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| 16:54.57 | sphex | well, what's the difference? |
| 16:55.00 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: apt-GET source. |
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| 16:55.05 | nickv111 | So what should I do? |
| 16:55.06 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Sorry, my bad |
| 16:55.12 | PerfDave | now3d: Uhm, you really can't tell in that short a space of time. |
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| 16:55.25 | panda | which debian fonts to install in order to use de_DE.utf8 ? |
| 16:55.36 | now3d | PerfDave: do you think i should runmemtext86 for longer? |
| 16:55.43 | PerfDave | now3d: I normally run it overnight. |
| 16:55.45 | clusty | appaji: i get:"execve("./idl", ["./idl"], [/* 31 vars */]) = 0 |
| 16:55.46 | clusty | strace: exec: Permission denied |
| 16:55.46 | clusty | " |
| 16:55.49 | now3d | Perfdave: I let it complete a test or two |
| 16:55.49 | slocate | freenode~asg: that;s for all laptops |
| 16:56.07 | PerfDave | now3d: That's nice for you. |
| 16:56.17 | asg | slocate: ? it depends on what the laptop contains. |
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| 16:56.29 | now3d | PerfDave: i always get hte same via_sata module error |
| 16:56.34 | asg | slocate: lspci -v (will tell you what you have) |
| 16:56.39 | PerfDave | now3d: That's why I suggested unplugging the hard drives. |
| 16:56.55 | slocate | freenode~asg: i don't have it yet |
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| 16:57.04 | sphex | okay! got my headers. thanks a lot everyone |
| 16:57.25 | simon_ | I'm using OSS and ESD, Skype can ring, but not talking, any help? |
| 16:57.37 | asg | slocate: hmmm |
| 16:57.38 | now3d | PerfDave: I tried memtest86 with them plugged in |
| 16:57.57 | appaji | clusty: then you should check if the file system was NFS exported with permissions for execution (but I don't know for sure if there could be a problem like that) |
| 16:58.38 | now3d | PerfDave: I am using one of the IDE cables for high speed, is that stil ok to use UDMA capable cable for a DVD-ROM IDE drive please? |
| 16:58.54 | greycat | appaji: I'd check local mount options, not (NFS) server options |
| 16:59.07 | End3r | I um typed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it's asking for what the manufacturer of my graphics card is and it's onboard MOBO and I don't know who manufactures the MOBO can anyone tell me where I could find that? |
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| 16:59.16 | PerfDave | now3d: Yes, and I suggested you unplug them. I don't know about UDMA cables, I'm not a hardware person. |
| 16:59.20 | PerfDave | End3r: lspci |
| 16:59.24 | PerfDave | sphex: skype isn't in Debian. |
| 16:59.27 | appaji | greycat: It seems those options are ok. clusty copy-pasted the /etc/fstab entry. |
| 16:59.37 | valdyn_ | now3d: udma cable do not exist, theres cables with 80 instead of 40 wires |
| 16:59.50 | davis | any idea how to get gdm to automatically starts some X applications on startup? .xession, xinitrc, and .desktop dont seem to work. |
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| 17:00.02 | now3d | PerfDave: Ok, i'll try memtest86 with hard drives and dvd rom unplugged tonight |
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| 17:00.34 | valdyn_ | now3d: and those 80 wire cables are required ( only ) for dma100 and higher |
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| 17:00.52 | sussudio | spambot alert |
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| 17:01.37 | End3r | PerfDave, it says Intel and I don't see Intel one the list. |
| 17:01.50 | clusty | appaji: so should I tell the netadmin to change the NFS server in any way (he has no clue about what should the entry be)? |
| 17:01.51 | now3d | valdyn:ah, ok. Is it best not to use 80 wire cables for dvd-rom drives? |
| 17:02.02 | PerfDave | End3r: lspci -v perhaps? |
| 17:02.09 | greycat | clusty: you have "users" in /etc/fstab? Are you sure it's not "user"? Either way, "user" implies "noexec". |
| 17:02.29 | valdyn_ | now3d: no, you can use any for dma33 ( or was that dma66 ) and lower |
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| 17:02.45 | greycat | ah, "users" also exists. |
| 17:02.50 | greycat | and also implies "noexec" among others. |
| 17:02.52 | valdyn_ | now3d: the cables arent really different in any big way, the added wires are just for shielding afaik |
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| 17:02.57 | greycat | clusty: man mount |
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| 17:03.19 | valdyn_ | now3d: so, a 80 wire cable should be "better". |
| 17:03.22 | now3d | valdyn_: Ok, thanks, i understand a bit better now |
| 17:03.25 | darkskiez | why would ssh not forward my X connection ? |
| 17:03.25 | appaji | greycat: thank you :) I did not know that user also implied noexec. |
| 17:03.40 | sml | darkskiez: did you start it with -X ? |
| 17:03.45 | darkskiez | sml: yes |
| 17:03.50 | now3d | PerfDave: bizarrely it now all boots up again |
| 17:04.06 | PerfDave | now3d: Maybe you had a loose cable. |
| 17:04.12 | valdyn_ | now3d: your bios detects the cable and then your ide driver can make the appropriate dma modes available |
| 17:04.28 | clusty | greycat: user/users has apparently the same effect. I will check anyways the mounting options again. thanx |
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| 17:04.44 | sml | darkskiez: does it work if you dont tunnel it? i.e. are the relevant x files on the machien and working ? |
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| 17:04.57 | darkskiez | sml: aah -vvv got it debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing. |
| 17:05.00 | now3d | PerfDave: i think you are probably right.. cos i was unpluggin and plugging back in |
| 17:05.05 | End3r | PerfDave, it took up space then the screen had and I don't know how to scroll up to see it. |
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| 17:05.40 | resiak | End3r: lspci -v | less |
| 17:05.41 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# lsmod | grep ntfs |
| 17:05.41 | hogballs | ntfs 102164 0 |
| 17:05.41 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.42 | kentavar | IKhave problem with acpi in me laptop Elitegroup A535. |
| 17:05.43 | eye69 | Get rid of TurkBoy-19-cam |
| 17:05.45 | resiak | End3r: Or shift-pageup |
| 17:05.59 | valdyn_ | hogballs: yes |
| 17:06.04 | kentavar | can you help me pls? |
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| 17:06.15 | takatumi | sussudio: your hunch was right then. |
| 17:06.38 | solemnwarning__ | whats the command to stop x? |
| 17:06.40 | resiak | kentavar: You haven't said what your problem is. |
| 17:06.51 | greycat | solemnwarning__: ctrl-alt-backspace will kill the X server |
| 17:06.55 | valdyn_ | hogballs: or to be more specific, your kernel supports ntfs, ntfstools, try apt-cache search ntfstools too |
| 17:06.59 | solemnwarning__ | k |
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| 17:07.09 | londonjim | hi all |
| 17:07.17 | resiak | greycat: You _know_ that he will be running GDM... ;) |
| 17:07.28 | sml | darkskiez: do you have xauth ? |
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| 17:07.47 | greycat | resiak: but he did not ASK me how to kill gdm. |
| 17:07.47 | londonjim | I hope no-one will mind me asking a quick question, ive been having trouble with it for ages today and just cant seem to remember how do do it |
| 17:07.52 | darkskiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.53 | sussudio | takatumi: yes. it's one of those bots that sits in here and randomly messages people with its spam. |
| 17:08.03 | kentavar | Ok....when i push power down button.... shutdown is not corect....Linux shutting down, but power stay On |
| 17:08.04 | valdyn_ | londonjim: dont ask to ask |
| 17:08.05 | resiak | londonjim: No-one minds you asking. We mind you asking to ask. |
| 17:08.11 | leonel | Hello : Sarge ! where are you ! |
| 17:08.16 | greycat | in the barracks |
| 17:08.17 | sml | darkskiez: ok.. |
| 17:08.18 | resiak | !tell leonel about wwsr |
| 17:08.22 | resiak | !topicsmite leonel |
| 17:08.23 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon leonel. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:08.23 | londonjim | I just want to set wlan0 with ip 192.168.1.130 as the default gf |
| 17:08.24 | resiak | Enough? |
| 17:08.29 | ricky_clarkson | sml: It's now snowing. In Manchester. |
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| 17:08.42 | londonjim | no more asking to ask from me then |
| 17:08.46 | resiak | greycat: Yeah, but answering the question literally helps no-one... |
| 17:08.47 | darkskiez | Its sunny in scotland |
| 17:08.51 | londonjim | not snowing down south yet.... |
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| 17:08.59 | valdyn_ | londonjim: its in the faq, did you read it? |
| 17:09.02 | greycat | resiak: we don't know for sure that your guess was right |
| 17:09.10 | leonel | resiak: I know just thinking with the keyboard |
| 17:09.26 | londonjim | just opening the url now.... |
| 17:09.42 | sml | darkskiez: if you have it but its in a strange location you can use XAuthLocation in the sshd config file. |
| 17:09.59 | darkskiez | sml: It wasnt there, |
| 17:10.08 | sml | darkskiez: That will do it :) |
| 17:10.19 | resiak | greycat: True. |
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| 17:11.12 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Well my fingers are crossed it will have stopped by Thurs. My mum doesn't get out much, and she's looking forward to it. |
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| 17:12.44 | sussudio | TurkBoy-19-cam IPNE |
| 17:12.46 | now3d | does someone know if there is a way to not save KDE profile when exiting KDE (sarge distro) please? |
| 17:12.55 | panda | hey all, how do i use utf8 in tty? |
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| 17:13.07 | valdyn_ | kentavar: do you use a debian kernel image? |
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| 17:13.18 | now3d | panda: set up your terminal and locale |
| 17:13.24 | TurkBoy-19-cam | sussudio ne var lan amcýk ađýzlý |
| 17:13.40 | panda | now3d, i mean the ctrl-alt-1 |
| 17:13.54 | panda | now3d, i have set the proper locale |
| 17:14.02 | panda | now3d, how to set the terminal ? |
| 17:14.17 | now3d | panda: ah, hmm not suse the controlcode, i think it is ESC then the utf8 code in hex? |
| 17:14.33 | kentavar | valdyn_: yes...debian kernel |
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| 17:15.00 | valdyn_ | kentavar: lsmod | grep apm |
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| 17:16.27 | kentavar | apm is ok.... But when i want to use acpi.....i have problem... |
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| 17:16.43 | valdyn_ | kentavar: those arent mutually exclusive |
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| 17:17.15 | valdyn_ | kentavar: so things work if apm module is loaded? whats the problem then? |
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| 17:18.37 | londonjim | ok, the faq doesnt really help |
| 17:18.38 | now3d | panda: ok, i found out how to do it for u: i.e. for the euro type: ESC u 2 0 a c |
| 17:18.55 | valdyn_ | londonjim: you want to set the default gw for wlan0? |
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| 17:19.08 | londonjim | may I pm please valdyn? |
| 17:19.09 | kentavar | when i use apm i can read the batery and the cooler ..... but power off is ok... |
| 17:19.12 | londonjim | thats kind of it |
| 17:19.15 | guestish | hi |
| 17:19.24 | valdyn_ | londonjim: no, dont pm me |
| 17:19.27 | londonjim | ok |
| 17:19.36 | valdyn_ | kentavar: why not use both? |
| 17:19.43 | ricky_clarkson | Fahkin' Londoners. |
| 17:19.44 | kentavar | when use acpi i can read battery and cooler...but i have problem woth power off |
| 17:19.48 | londonjim | I~ have a linksys adsl modem/wirelss router |
| 17:20.02 | londonjim | and a linksys card in my linux server |
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| 17:20.17 | londonjim | I want to direct the server to the router as the default gw |
| 17:20.27 | londonjim | the routers ip is 198.168.1.1 |
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| 17:20.34 | valdyn_ | londonjim: there should be a line in /etc/network/interfaces: "gateway <whatever IP> |
| 17:20.35 | panda | now3d, what? |
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| 17:20.44 | panda | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.57 | now3d | panda: u asked how to write utf8 on tty |
| 17:21.15 | panda | now3d, that not work |
| 17:21.19 | londonjim | ok, but how do I call that without rebooting? I have tried ifup wlan0 but it wont call the new commands in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:21.41 | now3d | type "locale" and check they are UTF-8 |
| 17:22.06 | valdyn_ | londonjim: you can simply "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
| 17:22.30 | infodroid | londonjim: you may need to ifdown <the interface that may be up currently> or look in your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:22.41 | londonjim | yeah have just ifdown'd :) |
| 17:22.45 | londonjim | doh |
| 17:22.49 | londonjim | thanks very much |
| 17:22.49 | trask | peterS: remember the problem you tried help me solve earlier with xf86OpenSerial complaining? .. im still completely stuck and none other sources of help ive tried can guide me to a solution :(.. hope you have an idea to a solution |
| 17:22.51 | londonjim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.38 | kentavar | valdyn_:Ok ....10x |
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| 17:23.54 | panda | now3d, yes, it's en_US.utf8 |
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| 17:24.10 | now3d | panda: one or all? |
| 17:24.34 | panda | now3d, all |
| 17:24.49 | now3d | panda: how do u make the ESC code? |
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| 17:25.08 | sword | sup |
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| 17:25.18 | ago73 | Since this morning I can see usb controller but not usb devices using lsusb. Devices are powered but seem to be on usb 1.1 as opposed to usb2 as usual. Modules are loaded (as ususal) what else should I look? |
| 17:25.20 | panda | now3d, <ESC> + u + 2 + 0 |
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| 17:25.35 | now3d | panda: try <ctrl>+u |
| 17:26.02 | valdyn_ | ago73: lsmod | grep ehci |
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| 17:26.29 | ago73 | valdyn_, ehci_hcd is there |
| 17:27.03 | ago73 | ehci_hcd 32676 0 |
| 17:27.16 | valdyn_ | ago73: what did you change this morning or before it? |
| 17:27.40 | ago73 | nothing that I am aware of, the backup to usbdisk failed |
| 17:27.42 | panda | now3d, i give up :( |
| 17:27.46 | ago73 | It could not see the partition |
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| 17:28.52 | valdyn_ | ago73: there must be something else, so, see if you are using a usb1.1 only port or your bios isnt set to support 2.0 |
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| 17:29.38 | ago73 | valdyn_ I use a pci card to provide usb support, I have been using it for a year without probs |
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| 17:30.50 | dvs | ago73: What other USB modules do you have loaded (ohci_hcd, uhci_hcd)? |
| 17:30.54 | valdyn_ | ago73: so you can forget about bios settings i guess, still, things dont change w/o you doing something. |
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| 17:31.52 | ago73 | dvs only ehci_hcd, usbcore, usb_storage |
| 17:32.14 | dvs | ago73: you need ohci-hcd or uhci-hcd to handle USB 1.1 devices |
| 17:32.27 | now3d | valdyn, PerfDave: It seems the use of 80pin cable in IDE Primary Master position was the cause of my problems. Using 80pin in seconardy master works, and also using cheapy 40pin cable in primary or secondardy works fine! |
| 17:32.56 | Blissex | now3d: never user 40 pin cable anymore. |
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| 17:33.19 | ago73 | valdyn_ I was not even in the office... |
| 17:33.22 | valdyn_ | now3d: this would be *strange* to say the least, more likely it was just somehow plugged in w/o having proper contact |
| 17:33.29 | Luke | does anyone know the package i need to install to get hdparm? |
| 17:33.35 | guestish | Luke: hdparm |
| 17:33.36 | ricky_clarkson | hdutils? |
| 17:33.40 | ricky_clarkson | !info hdparm |
| 17:33.43 | mwilson | hdparm, oddly enough. |
| 17:33.49 | dpkg | hdparm: (tune hard disk parameters for high performance), section admin, is optional. Version: 5.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 17:34.02 | PerfDave | Luke: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:34.03 | now3d | valydyn: mabye.. although in seconardy slot i just notifed it only works with debian and not win2k.. |
| 17:34.14 | ago73 | dvs, the device is a usb2 device, and it has always worked normally with ehci. SInce today, the light indicates that it is connected as usb1.1 |
| 17:34.32 | dvs | ago73: Oh? That's weird. |
| 17:34.36 | davis | i have no idea how to exec an app automatically with the gdm/blackbox or gdm/fluxbox combo. |
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| 17:34.49 | nSe | hahauhsuhuha, i'm still laughting |
| 17:34.51 | now3d | now i just need to get realtek '97 audio to work in 2speaker mode rather than the default 6 in debian.. |
| 17:34.52 | ago73 | Could it be a hw prob? How can I detect that without buying a second controller? |
| 17:34.52 | ricky_clarkson | davis: .xinitrc? |
| 17:34.54 | nSe | !rpm |
| 17:34.54 | dpkg | [rpm] revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method |
| 17:35.00 | valdyn_ | ago73: maybe the device has a switch to go to 1.1 mode |
| 17:35.02 | mwilson | davis: "exec an app automatically"? |
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| 17:35.32 | davis | ricky_clarkson: in my .xsession and .xinitrc file I have exec /usr/bin/X11/xterm and neiter will load an xterm on startup. |
| 17:35.36 | ago73 | valdyn_, I loaded uhci but it is the same thing. |
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| 17:35.43 | swatikiss | i need help getting shorewall setup - internet traffic doesn't seem to be routing through it ?? |
| 17:35.50 | mwilson | davis: And does gdm pay attention to either of those? |
| 17:35.55 | infodroid | ago73: or your board has a limit on the max number of usb2 devices |
| 17:35.58 | valdyn_ | ago73: though lsusb lists it now? |
| 17:36.29 | davis | mwilson: from what I have read and little understood, they might use a file called .desktop. However that does not wrok for me either. |
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| 17:36.50 | mwilson | <snicker> |
| 17:36.51 | ago73 | valdyn_, correction I added uhci and removed ehci and now cannot see even the controller |
| 17:37.00 | Luke | i'm trying to enable dma but I cant get it to work - i've got all the dma modules i could find compiled into my kernel |
| 17:37.03 | Luke | any ideas? |
| 17:37.09 | dvs | ago73: Don't remove echi |
| 17:37.15 | mwilson | Luke: Sure. Use the RIGHT one. |
| 17:37.24 | davis | Luke: does hdparm -d1 /dev/hda work? |
| 17:37.29 | ago73 | infodroid, only my usbdisk attached, I tried sticking in a mouse but cannot see that either |
| 17:37.34 | ricky_clarkson | Use the force, Luke. |
| 17:37.36 | timo | davis, it should read .xsession. is there another exec command in that file before your xterm command? |
| 17:37.37 | valdyn_ | Luke: you dont activate dma, just dont |
| 17:37.44 | Luke | davis: it fails HDIO_SET_DMA |
| 17:37.47 | mwilson | timo: Since when? |
| 17:37.47 | davis | timo: no. |
| 17:37.51 | valdyn_ | Luke: it *should* be active by itself |
| 17:37.55 | ago73 | valdyn_, lsusb only list the controller and only when I am using ehci |
| 17:37.56 | yaarg | heeello> |
| 17:38.03 | infodroid | ago73: find a way to benchmark it, maybe don't trust the lights |
| 17:38.03 | FieldySnuts | Luke: you probably don't have the right support in your kernel for your ide chipset, or it's not supported |
| 17:38.08 | FieldySnuts | never use dma? are you nuts? |
| 17:38.10 | Luke | valdyn_: i'm using my own 2.6.10 kernel and when it boots i get a message that its not working |
| 17:38.12 | mwilson | Luke: Try actually building in support for your IDE chipset. |
| 17:38.17 | Luke | FieldySnuts: hey your from gentoo! |
| 17:38.26 | valdyn_ | FieldySnuts: thats not what i said. |
| 17:38.26 | FieldySnuts | i'm from a lot of places, but yes that too |
| 17:38.31 | Luke | hehe |
| 17:38.32 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 17:38.32 | Luke | hey |
| 17:38.40 | itga | YO! |
| 17:38.44 | davis | Luke: do a lspci and look for ide. do as mwilson says and make sure that chipset is supported in the .config of your kernel. |
| 17:38.46 | FieldySnuts | careful the G word is a dirty word around here heh |
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| 17:38.58 | Luke | FieldySnuts: =) |
| 17:39.06 | ago73 | infodroid, I don't even see that on /proc how am I supposed to benchmark? |
| 17:39.15 | davis | Luke: if you enable dma by default in ide block devices, you will not need to do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 17:39.27 | itga | anyone was installed Promise RAID PDC 20768 on Debian |
| 17:39.30 | itga | ?? |
| 17:39.41 | sml | ricky_clarkson: ? |
| 17:39.48 | davis | timo: any idea how to debug this problem? my xsession-errors file looks benign |
| 17:39.51 | ricky_clarkson | sml: wrt FieldySnuts. |
| 17:39.52 | Luke | davis: i think i've got it enabled by default - i'm guessing that the ati chipset is not what I have but i was unable to find my chipset on google |
| 17:39.53 | mwilson | The correct answer to "I don't have DMA enabled" is *always* to find out why the kernel didn't enable it on its own, not to step on it. |
| 17:40.02 | sml | oh LOL |
| 17:40.07 | itga | T_T |
| 17:40.08 | davis | Luke: err, ati is your video card. |
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| 17:40.18 | Luke | davis: yea dont they make chipsets too? |
| 17:40.24 | davis | Luke: do lspic -v and look for your ide chipset. |
| 17:40.29 | davis | Luke: not for ide |
| 17:40.31 | valdyn_ | Luke: they do |
| 17:40.34 | mwilson | davis: What's to debug? Gdm doesn't care about ~/.xinitrc in the least, and only cares about ~/.xsession under certain circumstances, as per the documentation. |
| 17:40.47 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Reading skills. |
| 17:40.51 | itga | davis: lspci -v ?? |
| 17:40.54 | mwilson | davis: In other words, there's nothing broken. |
| 17:40.55 | valdyn_ | Luke: but you probably dont have one from ati, i can hardly know |
| 17:41.22 | Luke | valdyn_: yea i think your right but i've got a weird laptop and i cant find the ide chipset anywhere on google |
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| 17:41.26 | davis | mwilson: so if you use gdm, you can not autostart apps? |
| 17:41.28 | tarzeau | nice, no wdm for testing .. |
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| 17:41.34 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, I know, gdm's documentation has plenty of discussion of its session files, but expecting anyone to actually read it... it's too much. |
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| 17:41.41 | valdyn_ | Luke: which laptop, |
| 17:41.45 | Luke | davis: i've got the ide interface up here |
| 17:41.46 | mwilson | davis: Funny, I don't remember ever saying that. |
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| 17:41.58 | Luke | valdyn_: gateway solo 3350 |
| 17:41.58 | kentavar | One question pls.. After the last upgrade, login manager freeze me keyboard... When i restart console (with mose) from login menager all is ok...Can you help me? |
| 17:42.02 | davis | Luke: which is your ide chipset? |
| 17:42.12 | davis | Luke: what does lspci say |
| 17:42.19 | Luke | davis: it doesnt say anything but intel PIIX4 |
| 17:42.20 | sml | ok im off. ciao people. |
| 17:42.43 | mwilson | Luke: Gee, and now you know what IDE chipset you're using, don't you? |
| 17:42.44 | davis | Luke: ok. then in block/devices ide, make sure you have that chipset enabled in your kernel config. |
| 17:42.55 | jethro | howdi |
| 17:43.06 | Luke | davis: the intel one? |
| 17:43.08 | mwilson | Next he'll waste everyone's time by claiming the kernel doesn't have support for PIIX4. |
| 17:43.23 | davis | Luke: yes. |
| 17:43.27 | Luke | mwilson: do you know what the PII module is called? |
| 17:43.43 | infodroid | markus61: today, markus |
| 17:43.45 | Luke | davis: thanks a ton for helping me - this is definately the problem |
| 17:43.53 | davis | Luke: no problem bro. |
| 17:44.15 | davis | mwilson: so, I am confused. |
| 17:44.36 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: See, it's really sad... doesn't know how gdm works, but it would never occur to him that gdm actually has documentation. |
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| 17:45.37 | davis | mwilson: I looked at the gdm docs and the gdm.conf file but it seemed to be more configuraion centric for logging in rather than customizing the autologin. |
| 17:45.53 | davis | mwilson: maybe you have a better pointer for docs. which one are you reading? |
| 17:45.54 | Luke | davis: awesome - i def had the wrong module compliled in - thanks again! =) |
| 17:46.03 | davis | Luke: no problem. |
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| 17:46.20 | mwilson | davis: I'm not reading any. I merely know what's in them. |
| 17:46.30 | ricky_clarkson | Sometimes I get the feeling that mwilson isn't really talking to me, despite using my nick. |
| 17:46.36 | mwilson | davis: If you're not using Gnome, whyinhell are you wasting time with gdm? |
| 17:46.51 | davis | mwilson: ok. maybe that is a problem. |
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| 17:47.04 | davis | mwilson: i thought kde was overill for blackbox. |
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| 17:47.21 | mwilson | davis: What does KDE have to do with it? |
| 17:47.23 | davis | mwilson: and I thought gdm would be a superset of xdm and still support blackbox. |
| 17:47.31 | davis | mwilson: err, kdm |
| 17:47.56 | mwilson | There's a reason not to just use xdm in this case? |
| 17:48.28 | davis | mwilson: i will try xdm. see what happens. |
| 17:48.36 | ^c | mwilson: is there any reason to use xdm over gdm? |
| 17:49.06 | mwilson | ^c: Sure. It usually works better. |
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| 17:49.35 | ^c | mwilson: gdm has worked great for me using fvwm, fluxbox, and other small wms |
| 17:49.38 | valdyn_ | davis: gdm supports xdm's login method just fine |
| 17:49.47 | martynas | how do you apt-get from sarge ? |
| 17:49.49 | mwilson | ^c: What does the window manager have to do with it? |
| 17:50.10 | davis | valdyn_: i would think so as well. |
| 17:50.32 | davis | valdyn_: give me a minute let me see if my .xsession is still broken when using xdm. |
| 17:50.54 | martynas | sorry let me rephrase how do you apt-get from woody to get a sarge item ...and all its dependencies |
| 17:50.54 | valdyn_ | davis: you have to pick the proper session in gdm to use your .xsession |
| 17:50.57 | simonrvn | gdm dosn't use .xsession... |
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| 17:51.10 | simonrvn | ...except for what valdyn_ said |
| 17:51.14 | mwilson | valdyn_: He doesn't see any reason why he should learn about gdm session files. |
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| 17:51.45 | davis | valdyn_: hmm. if I use xdm, then it starts an xterm. |
| 17:51.52 | dvs | martynas: backports.org |
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| 17:52.28 | mwilson | Which usually means you either have no ~/.xsession, or there's something wrong with it. |
| 17:52.33 | valdyn_ | davis: because thats what is in your ~/.xsession ? |
| 17:52.40 | davis | valdyn_: yes |
| 17:52.57 | davis | valdyn_: I added: exec /usr/bin/X11/xterm |
| 17:53.03 | valdyn_ | davis: so stick to that or pick the proper session in the GUI of gdm |
| 17:53.09 | mwilson | Oh, and you're surprised that's what it did? |
| 17:53.13 | dings | How do I "lock" group and file premissions for a dir. and dubdirs? |
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| 17:53.21 | martynas | dvs: what if i need something that only exists in sarge ..there is no port for it |
| 17:53.22 | mwilson | dings: You don't. |
| 17:53.30 | davis | valdyn_: I was hoping when I logged in via blackbox, it would start the window manager and then open an xterm for me. |
| 17:53.41 | dvs | martynas: Then you're stuck. |
| 17:53.45 | dings | mwilson: I don't? |
| 17:53.48 | davis | valdyn_: my goal is to autostart bbkeys and bbsload as well. |
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| 17:53.57 | simonrvn | i think dings might be referring to setattr +i |
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| 17:54.00 | mwilson | davis: You don't log in "via blackbox", you log in, and the X clients you specify get started. If you want blackbox to start, then start it. |
| 17:54.12 | gandy909 | partitioning question: for a web/mail server, is /, /usr, /home, /var, /tmp sufficient? an example in the securing debian shows a bunch more than that... |
| 17:54.14 | mwilson | simonrvn: How's that locked? I can just -i the thing. |
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| 17:54.39 | simonrvn | mwilson: not if you're not that user, of course |
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| 17:54.50 | valdyn_ | davis: edit your ~/.xsession, add everything you want to be started, including blackbox naturally |
| 17:54.51 | davis | valdyn_: I restarted gdm, entered my name and password to gdm, selected the session blackbox in gdm's pulldown menu. then logged in this time the xterm did not display. |
| 17:54.57 | simonrvn | i think his/her misuse of terminology is confusing things... |
| 17:54.58 | mwilson | simonrvn: If I'm not that user, I can't change the permissions either, so what's the point? |
| 17:55.09 | mwilson | davis: Well, yeah. |
| 17:55.14 | simonrvn | mwilson: i know.... see above |
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| 17:55.18 | valdyn_ | davis: you dont chose blackbox to use ~/.xsession |
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| 17:55.56 | davis | valdyn_: hmm. in gdm, I dont see ~/.xsession. |
| 17:56.03 | valdyn_ | davis: pick default |
| 17:56.19 | mwilson | davis: You only listen to certain parts of what people try to tell you, right? |
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| 17:56.23 | daww | How do I change the language in Sarge? |
| 17:56.30 | dings | simonrvn: mwilson: not locked, just make sure the all files down the tree has the group I specify |
| 17:56.37 | davis | valdyn_: ahh. that works. well partially. it started the xterm at least. |
| 17:56.40 | gypsyfox | Hi, I've installed Debian 30r4 stable for a friend on his laptop, and I'd like to update his kernel from 2.2.0 to 2.6.x but it's not yet connected to the net, so my question is, where can I download kernel 2.6.x from for his system so I can manually move it to his system? I'm used to RPM distros. |
| 17:56.52 | mwilson | davis: You mean it works completely, then. |
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| 17:57.14 | ignatius | gypsyfox: packages.debian.org |
| 17:57.15 | mwilson | gypsyfox: Woody doesn't support a 2.6 kernel. |
| 17:57.30 | gypsyfox | ignatius thanks |
| 17:57.39 | dvs | gypsyfox: At least backport does |
| 17:57.42 | gypsyfox | mwilson really, so I'd have to update his box to unstable? |
| 17:57.44 | simonrvn | dings: info chmod, chown, look for recursive |
| 17:57.44 | mwilson | ignatius: You have something to say? |
| 17:57.51 | ignatius | no |
| 17:57.53 | valdyn_ | !bunk 2.6 |
| 17:57.53 | dpkg | [bunk 2.6] You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 17:57.58 | ignatius | nice catch |
| 17:58.02 | daww | How do I change the language in Sarge? |
| 17:58.06 | gypsyfox | valdyn_ thanks ;) |
| 17:58.13 | davis | valdyn_: do I need to exec /usr/bin/blackbox & ? |
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| 17:58.15 | gypsyfox | he needs 2.6.x for a wifi card |
| 17:58.17 | valdyn_ | daww: dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 17:58.23 | gypsyfox | thanks guys, I appreciate the help. ;-) |
| 17:58.29 | ignatius | gypsyfox: I ran a wifi card on 2.4 |
| 17:58.35 | ignatius | using ndiswrapper |
| 17:58.44 | gypsyfox | ignatius really? cool! So I guess I could just update to 2.4 with stable? |
| 17:58.48 | End3r | Whenever I try to boot up GDM says it can't start because X is configured incorrectly. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and it still doesn't work. |
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| 17:58.56 | ignatius | gypsyfox: if you want |
| 17:59.05 | valdyn_ | davis: & at everything before the last |
| 17:59.07 | gypsyfox | ignatius thanks, without downloading extra files? |
| 17:59.14 | mwilson | End3r: You've "tried" it? How does someone "try" configuring the X server? |
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| 17:59.31 | mwilson | End3r: You either configure it properly, or you do not. |
| 18:00.05 | gypsyfox | thanks, again, I appreciate the kind help. :) |
| 18:00.08 | davis | valdyn_: dude you are the man. many thanks. |
| 18:00.12 | greycat | !yoda mwilson |
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| 18:00.16 | End3r | mwilson, I configured it, in an attempt to 'try' to make it work. |
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| 18:00.45 | davis | mwilson: bro I am sorry that I dont follow you. Your hatefull text confuses the issue and I kinda tune you out. |
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| 18:01.13 | mwilson | Yes, insisting that someone learn how to read is, of course, hateful. |
| 18:01.41 | cahoot | mwilson: never considered the implications of the tone used? |
| 18:01.42 | now3d | Could someone tell me if typically it is more suitable to set "plug and play OS" in my BIOS to "yes" or "no" please? |
| 18:01.43 | End3r | I dunno what I'm doing, someone just told me to use that. And I followed what went on, and all I know is it still doesn't work. ^^ |
| 18:01.52 | mwilson | You know, people whine about how poor Linux documentation is written... how do any of these cluebies know? They never look at it. |
| 18:02.04 | simonrvn | now3d: set to no AFAIK for linux |
| 18:02.20 | dvs | now3d: I'd say "no" for linux |
| 18:02.25 | mwilson | now3d: Oddly enough, you set it to 'yes' if you're running a PnP OS, and 'no' if you are not. |
| 18:02.25 | daww | valdyn_, Thx |
| 18:02.28 | valdyn_ | mwilson: its not poor, but its probably not written for "cluebies" |
| 18:02.41 | omry | End3r, check X11 logs for hints. at /var/log |
| 18:02.47 | mwilson | valdyn_: Since they never look at it, how would they know? |
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| 18:02.54 | now3d | simonrvn dvs: thanks, so linux is not plug and play..? |
| 18:03.04 | simonrvn | uh, no |
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| 18:03.15 | shevek | I'm trying to build a debian system without the normal installer, but by downloading and unpacking (and dpkg-ing) by hand, or actually by script. My script cannot handle dialog though, only readline. How should I tell debconf that it should not use dialog, but readline, when it first asks me what frontend I want? |
| 18:03.19 | greycat | linux2.6 is closer to PnP, though. |
| 18:03.19 | mwilson | simonrvn: Really? Kernel devs would likely take exception to that. |
| 18:03.26 | dvs | now3d: It's better to let the motherboard allocate the resources. |
| 18:03.26 | End3r | I don't know how to do that. ^^ I can't check stuff when I don't know how. And I can't read documentation when I can't understand what it's saying. ^^ |
| 18:03.27 | now3d | mwilson: ok, so all i need is to know if it is PnP ;) |
| 18:03.30 | daww | valdyn_, Do I have to reboot to let the changes take effect? |
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| 18:03.51 | gandy909 | modern versions, like RH/Fedora, 'claim' to be, sorta... |
| 18:03.53 | valdyn_ | daww: nope, just log out and back in |
| 18:04.00 | daww | valdyn_, I restarted xchat but the menus where still in Swedish |
| 18:04.02 | daww | valdyn_, ok |
| 18:04.03 | simonrvn | mwilson: you know very well what i meant, now go do what you need to do to get a better mood |
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| 18:04.22 | dvs | daww: Restart X at the least |
| 18:04.36 | omry | End3r, try something like : cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:04.45 | sswatikis | i am struggling to get my internet routed through my firewall box - im at a loss to what is going on!! |
| 18:04.49 | daww | how do i restartx by command? |
| 18:04.54 | omry | End3r, log name may not be exactly the same. |
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| 18:05.29 | now3d | dvs: ok, thanks.. i previously allways set it to "no", but I get a bootup fault from PnPBIOS module in linux kernel |
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| 18:05.43 | omry | daww, /etc/init.d/gdm restart (or kdm) |
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| 18:05.53 | gandy909 | fdisk /dev/hda |
| 18:06.04 | gandy909 | crap! im stupid |
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| 18:06.18 | martynas | is sarge a suitable choice for a game server ...is it stable enough |
| 18:06.27 | greycat | yes |
| 18:06.31 | gypsyfox | martynas yes |
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| 18:06.45 | mwilson | Just what the world needs, another game server. |
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| 18:07.14 | daww | valdyn_, Seems to work fine, its just the Application menu that still is on Swedish |
| 18:07.21 | omry | mwilson, did you take your medications today? |
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| 18:07.32 | daww | valdyn_, Is there some way to change that to |
| 18:07.32 | daww | ? |
| 18:07.34 | martynas | yeah ....really |
| 18:07.36 | greycat | This Wiki really really hates one-letter words. |
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| 18:07.51 | greycat | E.g. in XWindowSystem, the "X" isn't recognized as being part of the WikiName. |
| 18:08.04 | greycat | and ConfiguringX isn't recognized as a WikiName at all. |
| 18:08.06 | mwilson | Most wiki suck, anyway. |
| 18:08.18 | gypsyfox | lol |
| 18:08.26 | gypsyfox | mwilson grumpysmurfbot? |
| 18:08.33 | mwilson | wafm |
| 18:08.41 | davis | valdyn_: you have really made my day. Now I have two Eterms, bbkeys, and bbsload all working. |
| 18:08.45 | davis | valdyn_: thanks again. |
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| 18:09.08 | End3r | I'm configuring X wrong. I don't know how to configure it for an onboard Intel MOBO. There is nothing on the list that says Intel. |
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| 18:09.10 | davis | valdyn_: Later I will spend time getting them in placement order. I am sure that can be controlled as well. |
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| 18:09.33 | mxn | If Perl CPAN can't make a module (nasty lookin' errors), is the problem likely with the CPAN module or my Debian system? |
| 18:09.34 | davis | valdyn_: do you have a document which you could point me to for future reference on the subject? |
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| 18:10.02 | omry | End3r, vesa is pretty much sure to work. its not optimal though. |
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| 18:11.20 | valdyn_ | davis: no idea, we touched things from finding an option in a GUI to basic shell scripting to Xsesssion ( man xsession ), you best just write that down.. |
| 18:11.44 | markus61 | hi, anybody around to fix my debian-kde-VERY-slow-startup-since-last apt-get-update problem |
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| 18:12.26 | valdyn_ | !vagueness |
| 18:12.26 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 18:12.31 | markus61 | my thunder and firebirds are also crashing since then |
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| 18:13.10 | simonrvn | markus61: try running fc-cache -f as root, then try |
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| 18:13.48 | pen | How come Sarge comes with appletalk by default? |
| 18:13.50 | markus61 | fc-cache -f is running ... what does it do? |
| 18:14.06 | simonrvn | regenerates the fontconfig cache files |
| 18:14.29 | markus61 | it finished quietly |
| 18:14.33 | valdyn_ | !info appletalk |
| 18:14.40 | jetscreamer | help, mi windoes dont werkzer |
| 18:14.48 | zoor | Hmm I was told that to quit watching the man pages I had to try either CTRL+C or CTRL+Q. Neither works... and I dont want to use CTRL+Z everytime. Cause it just stops the work. So how do I do? |
| 18:14.58 | jetscreamer | try q |
| 18:15.02 | valdyn_ | pen: why not? |
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| 18:15.20 | daww | How do i mount hdb5, "mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb5 /mnt" gives me "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb5, or too many mounted filesystems" |
| 18:15.23 | markus61 | siorym: you think i should give it a try?! |
| 18:15.31 | simonrvn | pen: um, maybe because some people would need it... |
| 18:15.34 | omry | zoor, and h for help. |
| 18:15.55 | markus61 | that'll mean i won't be back before 15min or so because that is what it takes if it did not work .. |
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| 18:16.09 | daww | hdb5:s system is Linux |
| 18:16.09 | jetscreamer | maybe you should have a lower level mount point |
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| 18:16.39 | valdyn_ | daww: whats on your hdb5? |
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| 18:16.53 | daww | valdyn_, its empty |
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| 18:17.05 | omry | valdyn_, did you format it? |
| 18:17.12 | valdyn_ | daww: have you ( dos lingua ) formatted it? or run mkfs on it? |
| 18:17.24 | valdyn_ | omry: wrong target |
| 18:17.38 | omry | valdyn_, oops. :) |
| 18:17.42 | daww | valdyn_, aah, no I havn't |
| 18:17.49 | jetscreamer | wtg |
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| 18:17.59 | End3r | omry, after changing it to vesa instead of the screen turning black threetimes and telling me X can't start, the screen gets tiny red, blue, and green lines and tells me X can't start. ^^ |
| 18:18.00 | omry | daww, before you do.. did you just create the partition now? |
| 18:18.01 | jetscreamer | o/ |
| 18:18.07 | daww | valdyn_, no |
| 18:18.22 | daww | for hours ago and then i rebooted |
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| 18:18.39 | omry | End3r, whats your video card? |
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| 18:18.52 | omry | daww, if you rebooted, you can now safely format it. |
| 18:19.02 | daww | omry, yes |
| 18:19.14 | End3r | omry, no card, it's onboard an Intel MOBO I assume. |
| 18:19.17 | dogmeat_ | how do you shutdown named? |
| 18:19.23 | omry | daww, mkfs.file_system_name /dev/device |
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| 18:19.40 | drac | End3r: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 18:19.43 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.50 | dogmeat_ | thanks |
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| 18:20.04 | mwilson | <sigh> I hate having to upgrade by hand... |
| 18:20.31 | daww | omry, mkfs.linux /dev/hdb5, is that valid |
| 18:20.31 | omry | End3r, did you try minimal vesa options? (low res etc?) |
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| 18:20.31 | jetscreamer | mke2fs /dev/blah |
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| 18:20.48 | jetscreamer | whoooooooo |
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| 18:20.51 | gypsyfox | hhahaha |
| 18:20.54 | Delph | now.. |
| 18:21.11 | mwilson | Maybe Xfree -13 will make it through the buildd's |
| 18:21.15 | vaq | Anybody know a good DNS Server guide?, for powerdns ore another software WITH webinterface |
| 18:21.26 | omry | daww, no. choose a file system. |
| 18:21.35 | End3r | omry, no. I'm gonna do that. ^^ |
| 18:21.38 | mwilson | vaq: Yes, learn how DNS works first. |
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| 18:21.55 | mwilson | vaq: Before thinking you can administer one. |
| 18:22.01 | omry | daww, I`d go reiserfs, so : mkfs.reiserfs /dev/.. |
| 18:22.02 | End3r | drac, Intel Corp. [Chipset G Controller] |
| 18:22.08 | nvz | mwilson: no way man, he needs a program with a web interface and a coloring and activity booklet |
| 18:22.16 | vaq | mwilson: i need the DNS server for conrtrolling my RNDS on my ips at my hosting center.. |
| 18:22.19 | daww | omry, I thought Linux was a file system... When You create partitions under the installation you can choose Linux as file system |
| 18:22.19 | nvz | mwilson: probably wants a box of crayons too |
| 18:22.28 | drac | End3r: lspci | grep Display then :) |
| 18:22.29 | valdyn_ | daww: mkfs.ext3 *may* be what you want. |
| 18:22.29 | mwilson | vaq: What you need it for isn't relevant. |
| 18:22.33 | drac | End3r: that doesn't tell much |
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| 18:22.39 | pen | Linux is not a filesystem |
| 18:22.41 | valdyn_ | daww: no that is not a filesystem that you chose |
| 18:22.47 | omry | daww, linux is not a file system. |
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| 18:22.53 | jetscreamer | have a ups is you use reiser or xfs |
| 18:22.53 | daww | valdyn_, what is it then =) |
| 18:23.01 | jetscreamer | linux is a kernel |
| 18:23.02 | pen | Linux can run on FAT |
| 18:23.05 | valdyn_ | daww: a partition ID or a partition type |
| 18:23.19 | valdyn_ | daww: or, a silly useless number |
| 18:23.24 | vaq | mwilson: first of all why do you start your arrogance with i should learn how DNS works, you dont know if i already know how DNS works. |
| 18:23.25 | daww | valdyn_, ok |
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| 18:23.41 | mwilson | vaq: Isn't it obvious that you don't? |
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| 18:23.56 | valdyn_ | daww: most use you get out of it is to see information in fdisk, its not good for anything else |
| 18:23.59 | daww | valdyn_, should i use ext2 ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 18:24.13 | valdyn_ | daww: ext3 ( official debian recommendation ) |
| 18:24.15 | jetscreamer | daww, ext3 is most stable |
| 18:24.18 | mwilson | daww: Only use Reiser if your data isn't important to you. |
| 18:24.18 | pen | Use the default |
| 18:24.26 | Klipper | hey, i got my friend to agree to installing debian on his mac... are there any good guides, or advice for installing sarge on a G4? |
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| 18:24.36 | daww | valdyn_, Even for the boot partition |
| 18:24.44 | mwilson | "Got" him to agree? Why would you pressure him into that? |
| 18:24.45 | jetscreamer | why do you need a boot partition |
| 18:24.56 | daww | valdyn_, Should i use ext3 for the primary partition (with boot |
| 18:25.01 | dogmeat_ | folks in order to upgrade my version to sarge, do you think its better to whip out woody and start from scratch, or migrate ? |
| 18:25.03 | pen | You dont need a boot partition |
| 18:25.12 | Klipper | mwilson: i didn't, but he wouldn't do it if it weren't for me |
| 18:25.15 | jetscreamer | yes ext3 for / is a good choice |
| 18:25.30 | Delph | Klipper: enjoy maintenance =:/ |
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| 18:25.37 | daww | valdyn_, the partition that linux is installed on for beeing exacly |
| 18:25.41 | Klipper | Delph: what do you mean? |
| 18:25.45 | jetscreamer | that would be / |
| 18:25.58 | Delph | Klipper: the pain and suffering of being the cause of someone else using an OS they dont really want to -> maintenance. |
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| 18:26.15 | mwilson | Klipper: Then why does he need to do it? |
| 18:26.18 | Klipper | Delph: what makes you think he doesn't WANT to? |
| 18:26.20 | jetscreamer | shit it's maintain linux or maintain windows |
| 18:26.31 | Skaag | any good dedicated server company that supports debian? |
| 18:26.33 | jetscreamer | i'm having joy with aol and wxp |
| 18:26.34 | Delph | jetscreamer: or maintain macos. Which is far easier =:) |
| 18:26.37 | jetscreamer | for somebody |
| 18:26.42 | Skaag | (or rather, recommended) |
| 18:26.54 | Klipper | mwilson: ok... i probably never would have tried linux if it weren't for that show on techtv that used to be good (TSS) |
| 18:27.04 | sswatikis | i can get my internet properly routed through my shorewall router |
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| 18:27.20 | daww | Wat does you guys use as file system for the partition where linux is installed? |
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| 18:27.39 | mwilson | Klipper: Is there some reason why he needs to be using Linux instead of MacOS? |
| 18:27.41 | Klipper | mwilson: i wasn't pressured into it, just encouraged, and i finally did it, starting with knoppix, then RHL, FC2, SuSE, debian, and now gentoo |
| 18:27.52 | Klipper | mwilson: he wants to |
| 18:27.54 | jetscreamer | daww probably 86% of ppl use ext3, and 96% of installs |
| 18:27.57 | Klipper | mwilson: its a good os |
| 18:27.57 | pen | daww: use the default |
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| 18:28.04 | End3r | omry, it still didn't work. |
| 18:28.06 | mwilson | Klipper: So is MacOS. |
| 18:28.10 | jetscreamer | hey wait |
| 18:28.20 | jetscreamer | daww, use fat12 |
| 18:28.23 | Lee__ | !start an os war |
| 18:28.23 | dpkg | HURD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
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| 18:28.30 | jetscreamer | !start an fs war |
| 18:28.30 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
| 18:28.30 | Klipper | mwilson: i didn't force him into this, he want's to do it, now are there any good guides, or advice? |
| 18:28.32 | mwilson | Somehow, if you've ended up at Gentoo, I think your opinion is suspect. |
| 18:28.37 | omry | End3r, did you edit your X config file manualy at some point? |
| 18:28.42 | End3r | omry, I did 800 x 600 85hz or whatever. |
| 18:28.50 | End3r | omry, no I don't even know how to do that. ^^ |
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| 18:29.14 | Klipper | mwilson: huh?! |
| 18:29.18 | omry | End3r, try 640x480 with 60hz. it sucks, but its a start. |
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| 18:30.30 | omry | End3r, how do you know its a video related problem? |
| 18:31.28 | valdyn_ | daww: people use different fs for different ( and often stupid ) reasons, ext3 is perfectly fine for you |
| 18:31.35 | mwilson | No, I don't think we'll let the latest d'itri disaster install without some serious auditing |
| 18:32.11 | daww | valdyn_, What a good and simple answer |
| 18:32.24 | nvz | I almost installed hotplug last night |
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| 18:32.33 | nvz | then I woke up screaming |
| 18:32.48 | TGM | What is the reccomened way to install Sid on a new box |
| 18:32.55 | nvz | I was thinking about trying hal |
| 18:33.00 | mwilson | He's making changes to it to support udev... time to start auditing hotplug on a regular basis |
| 18:33.01 | greycat | TGM: don't. |
| 18:33.04 | End3r | omry, I don't know when I checked the log you told me to check it messed up when it said it was loading the card thing. |
| 18:33.05 | nvz | requires udev and hotplug |
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| 18:33.38 | valdyn_ | TGM: install sarge in any case, if you find a _Very_ good reason to move to sid from there you can do it trivially |
| 18:33.48 | paulswm | TGM: backing up greycat here, stick with sarge |
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| 18:34.26 | omry | End3r, I got to go. goodluck. |
| 18:34.38 | mwilson | nvz: The other thing is cups. |
| 18:34.51 | mwilson | nvz: Let us see how badly cups is broken this time... |
| 18:35.37 | End3r | omry, thanks. |
| 18:35.55 | nvz | I dont know how I got our printer working, but somewhere between hpijs, foomatic, cups, and xpp, I got that HP PSC 2175v working |
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| 18:36.14 | nvz | I had to have installed anything that even said printer trying to figure that one out |
| 18:36.39 | mwilson | I have a box that uses CUPS, everthing else here is lprng. |
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| 18:36.56 | nvz | the main problem with linux is people are stupid |
| 18:37.13 | paulswm | That's the main problem with people |
| 18:37.21 | dvs | nvz: Linux people are stupid?!?!? ;-) |
| 18:37.27 | greycat | the main problem with linux is that developers are people. |
| 18:37.28 | mwilson | Man, pouring rain here. |
| 18:37.33 | nvz | if people weren't stupid I wouldnt have the problem with setting up an HP PSC 2175v |
| 18:37.40 | pen | Linux is easier to install than Windows, I've installed both |
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| 18:37.50 | pen | On same machine |
| 18:37.54 | nvz | cause not only would people not buy the things, but they woulntd make em either |
| 18:38.00 | dvs | pen: I believe it because most people don't install Windows |
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| 18:38.21 | pen | Reinstalling windows is a headache also |
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| 18:38.25 | mwilson | pen: Most people have zero business pretending they can install an operating system, let alone maintain one. |
| 18:38.37 | pen | People run into the reinstallation thing alot |
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| 18:39.18 | nvz | thos people should consult a certified geek to make their decisions for them |
| 18:39.23 | green_earz | TGM: here a link for the sarge net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050219/ |
| 18:39.41 | gbic | I don't suppose there is an hppa specific debian channel? |
| 18:39.45 | sswatikis | my router is rejecting requests i send it - at any rate , it is not passing packets from the local to the outside netowkr |
| 18:39.45 | valdyn_ | !d-i TGM |
| 18:39.45 | dpkg | TGM, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 18:39.59 | paulswm | !prize valdyn_ |
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| 18:40.12 | valdyn_ | !win valdyn |
| 18:40.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, valdyn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 18:40.17 | valdyn_ | pff |
| 18:40.19 | paulswm | Heh |
| 18:40.24 | robinswan | how to call scim input method a openoffice ? |
| 18:40.39 | LordBrain | my home and end keys dont work in bash on xterm, but they do work in the tty's.. Anyone know how to make them work in xterm? |
| 18:40.41 | robinswan | how to call scim input method at openoffice ? |
| 18:40.42 | sswatikis | the last line of my "route -n" has the wrong interface there(?) i think... how can i chage that ? |
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| 18:41.03 | mwilson | LordBrain: man readline |
| 18:41.47 | TGM | Valdyn_: I use sid everyday.... the box is not a sever and it is secure behind the NAT router... I do development work on the cutting edge systems. I intend to do a net install, so would like to save the time required to download sarge and then download sid. How difficault is it to tell D-I to use sidas the source? |
| 18:41.48 | LordBrain | i know control-a and control-e work |
| 18:42.00 | mwilson | LordBrain: Yes, man readline |
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| 18:42.36 | pen | Will Mozilla on Debian run Java? |
| 18:42.50 | dvs | pen: yes |
| 18:42.52 | greycat | pen: /msg dpkg java |
| 18:42.54 | mwilson | pen: No, a JRE installed on Debian will run Java. |
| 18:42.59 | pen | I was reading that? |
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| 18:43.26 | pen | WHat is JRE? |
| 18:43.37 | paulswm | !jre |
| 18:43.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jre is adding 'deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody main non-free' to your sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.3 or deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody main non-free, or see blackdown.org for the latest status. Yes, this works on potato and sid too, even though it says woody BTW: Java Runtime Environment. |
| 18:43.57 | dvs | Is j2re1.3 still there? |
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| 18:44.21 | paulswm | The factoid is a bit dated |
| 18:44.35 | pen | So is there a way to run Java from a web browser on Debian? |
| 18:44.40 | green_earz | TGM: when the sarge system is install use apt-setup and then edit the source url and replace testing to unstable, then apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:46.21 | swatikiss | is it neccessary to complie my own kernel if i am to use this box as a fw / router ?? |
| 18:46.31 | greycat | swatikiss: no |
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| 18:46.55 | swatikiss | greycat, good :) |
| 18:47.04 | paulswm | TGM: what green_earz said except is you do the most minimum sarge install (either something like 'file server' or pick your own packages), then ther's less to dist-upgrade, I suspect that you are looking for a way to change the source earlier, but I suspect it may beark if you do that |
| 18:47.16 | paulswm | break |
| 18:47.38 | swatikiss | things are not working with this router box though.... nothing is getting routed through it.. |
| 18:47.40 | daww | What a am I doing if i got this msg during umount "Mount: /dev/hdb5: device is busy" |
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| 18:47.52 | paulswm | daww: somethin is using it |
| 18:48.07 | dvs | daww: You're in that mount point |
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| 18:48.29 | dfsg | pen: Get JRE installed, go to the directory where Mozilla's plugins reside and issue "ln -s /path/to/jre_module.so". |
| 18:48.29 | dfsg | pen: By the way, you can find step-by-step installation on java.sun.com |
| 18:48.35 | mikeeusa | question |
| 18:48.40 | mikeeusa | im doing a net install |
| 18:48.45 | mikeeusa | just burnt the cd |
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| 18:48.51 | daww | paulswm, I got that, but how to track what's using it |
| 18:48.51 | mikeeusa | popped it in |
| 18:48.58 | mikeeusa | and im on the hardrive format part |
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| 18:49.06 | dvs | !tell mikeeusa about enter |
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| 18:49.14 | mikeeusa | its says if your going to use reiser allocate 34 more mb for the boot |
| 18:49.15 | mikeeusa | ok |
| 18:49.15 | paulswm | daww: fuser |
| 18:49.17 | mikeeusa | so im there |
| 18:49.21 | takatumi | paulswm: iirc, in expert26 you have the sid option, it used to be there on the biz card iso. |
| 18:49.29 | mikeeusa | at tEH type number part |
| 18:49.29 | daww | ok now it worked dvs was right |
| 18:49.30 | mikeeusa | ummmm |
| 18:49.32 | mikeeusa | UMMMMM |
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| 18:49.37 | sirkillalot | hi, is there a method to reset all kde settings? i can't start it anymore :-/ |
| 18:49.38 | robinswan | dhdf |
| 18:49.49 | mikeeusa | there is like no reiserFS on either the first or second screen |
| 18:49.53 | paulswm | !tell mikeeusa about enter |
| 18:49.54 | mikeeusa | so i'm like WTF! |
| 18:49.57 | mikeeusa | so.... |
| 18:50.01 | mikeeusa | wtf? |
| 18:50.24 | daww | paulswm, fuser where? |
| 18:50.28 | mikeeusa | ?? |
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| 18:50.35 | paulswm | daww: that's the command |
| 18:50.40 | pen | From reading the docs it looks llike you can run Java on Mozilla |
| 18:50.43 | paulswm | man fuser |
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| 18:51.04 | nvz | Sinistrad: rm -rf ~/.kde* |
| 18:51.13 | pen | I dont like Sun Micro |
| 18:51.13 | greycat | or rename it. |
| 18:51.25 | nvz | oh well |
| 18:51.31 | daww | paulswm, ok, I get "No such file or directory" |
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| 18:51.53 | mikeeusa | hello? |
| 18:51.55 | green_earz | mikeeusa: have you made a spetarate /boot partion ? or |
| 18:52.10 | daww | paulswm, ok now it working |
| 18:52.13 | daww | paulswm, =) |
| 18:52.15 | greycat | mikeeusa is here??? |
| 18:52.16 | greycat | shit. |
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| 18:52.45 | paulswm | daww: good. you prolly want the -mu options |
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| 18:53.19 | paulswm | greycat: you had him on ignore? |
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| 18:53.23 | nvz | heh |
| 18:53.25 | lgd_ | hi all |
| 18:53.26 | nvz | must be nice |
| 18:53.41 | mikeeusa | so what do i do? |
| 18:53.42 | maybe | someone who can explain how to use a precompiled kernel with lilo ? |
| 18:53.45 | mikeeusa | ??? |
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| 18:53.53 | mikeeusa | can debian not format in reiser |
| 18:53.53 | simonrvn | @sarge install guide |
| 18:53.55 | ravenbird | go see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the install guide. http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.powerpc/index.html |
| 18:54.02 | dvs | maybe: maybe |
| 18:54.05 | paulswm | !tell mikeeusa about enter |
| 18:54.09 | mikeeusa | ill just format with my mandrake 7.2 cd |
| 18:54.11 | daww | paulswm, And now, how do i trace processes busy by /dev/hdb5 with fuser? |
| 18:54.13 | mikeeusa | enter |
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| 18:54.22 | paulswm | HOORAY |
| 18:54.28 | mikeeusa | stop being assholic |
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| 18:54.37 | maybe | dvs: yes ? |
| 18:54.39 | simonrvn | assholic? |
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| 18:54.44 | paulswm | mikeeusa: stop abusing the channel |
| 18:54.48 | nomed^ | hi |
| 18:54.49 | green_earz | mikeeusa: have you tryed ext3 format ? |
| 18:54.51 | simonrvn | is that like alcoholic? |
| 18:54.51 | pen | You have to be a stinking lawyer to understand this Java stuff on Debian |
| 18:54.54 | takatumi | asscoholic |
| 18:55.05 | mikeeusa | asking a fucking question is abusing the channel |
| 18:55.09 | dvs | maybe: apt-get install kernel-image... will get you most of the way there. |
| 18:55.23 | mikeeusa | well I'm glad i still have the old makdrake cd |
| 18:55.28 | mikeeusa | usually i format with it |
| 18:55.33 | valdyn_ | pen: /msg dpkg java-package, useing that tool comeing with java-package will take care of everything ( but downloading the .bin from sun.com ) |
| 18:55.35 | mikeeusa | then install with deb |
| 18:55.35 | nomed^ | can someone explain me how i can wath a dvd? i see the presentation and then i can'access the menu of the movie |
| 18:55.36 | paulswm | mikeeusa: no, hitting enter all the time is |
| 18:55.37 | dvs | maybe: You'll might have to add an "initrd=" line to lilo.conf |
| 18:55.39 | mikeeusa | deb sees the partitions |
| 18:55.42 | mikeeusa | and is happy |
| 18:55.45 | nomed^ | *watch |
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| 18:55.54 | valdyn_ | pen: no special actions needed to get java plugin working in mozilla |
| 18:56.13 | maybe | dvs: do you also use precompiled kernels |
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| 18:56.22 | simonrvn | mikeeusa: ever thought of actually reading what's on the screen in front of you while you're installing it? |
| 18:56.24 | nomed^ | valdyn_: maybe a symbolic link |
| 18:56.26 | dvs | maybe: No, I roll my own |
| 18:56.33 | valdyn_ | nomed^: no, nothing at all |
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| 18:57.24 | panda | any tools to convert legcy encoding docs to utf-8? |
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| 18:57.33 | simonrvn | iconv |
| 18:57.35 | mikeeusa | simonrvn: yes, Reiser is not listed |
| 18:57.38 | mikeeusa | at all |
| 18:57.51 | mikeeusa | NOT listed at all |
| 18:57.56 | mikeeusa | try it yourself |
| 18:57.58 | simonrvn | funny, i see it get loaded even in the floppy install |
| 18:58.03 | maybe | dvs: i think its faster to use precompiled kernel , do you agree its less effort ? |
| 18:58.13 | mikeeusa | simonrvn: it can be formatted |
| 18:58.25 | greycat | !tell mikeeusa about bf24 |
| 18:58.27 | greycat | !tell mikeeusa about d-i |
| 18:58.28 | mikeeusa | but you can not choose it for a blank disk |
| 18:58.33 | mikeeusa | <greycat> !tell mikeeusa about bf24 |
| 18:58.40 | dvs | maybe: Yes, it's faster to use a precompiled kernel but messing about with initrd makes me cringe. |
| 18:58.41 | mikeeusa | That's the CD i dled |
| 18:58.41 | greycat | mikeeusa: read what dpkg told you. |
| 18:58.49 | mikeeusa | I'm not total debian noob |
| 18:59.03 | simonrvn | mikeeusa: sarge can do reiser, woody's installer can't. capiche? |
| 18:59.06 | greycat | if you don't have reiserfs as a choice when you're partitioning, it's because you booted woody without typing "bf24". |
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| 18:59.20 | greycat | simonrvn: oh? are you sure? I seem to remember it being an option in bf24. |
| 18:59.43 | green_earz | mikeeusa: have you tryed a sarge net install ? |
| 18:59.51 | simonrvn | not on ppc floppies. maybe i the cd install |
| 18:59.55 | simonrvn | in* |
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| 19:00.14 | mikeeusa | green_earz: im using 3.0.4 |
| 19:00.27 | mikeeusa | not sure what it's toystory name is tho |
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| 19:00.31 | greycat | woody |
| 19:00.32 | simonrvn | 3.0r4 you mean |
| 19:00.44 | mikeeusa | aster I'm done it's going to become deb unstable |
| 19:00.48 | mikeeusa | *after |
| 19:00.49 | maybe | thanks dvs |
| 19:00.59 | mikeeusa | perhapse |
| 19:01.00 | dvs | maybe: Why? You installed it already? |
| 19:01.04 | mikeeusa | got it off the net install page |
| 19:01.14 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.26 | maybe | dvs: no but it sounds easy enough |
| 19:01.35 | dvs | maybe: OK |
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| 19:02.04 | paulswm | !d-i |
| 19:02.04 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 19:02.14 | PCPN | greetings all! I am trying to install (netinstall) debian onto an AMD64. I downloaded and burnt the mini.iso. I can boot, network is loaded, etc. however, when I choose the mirror, the sytem tries, but comes back with a 'retry, change or cancel' option for the mirror. anysuggestions? |
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| 19:02.53 | maybe | dvs: i also build my own but i need the faster method for a production web server |
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| 19:03.17 | dvs | maybe: Oh. |
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| 19:04.07 | paulswm | PCPN: what mirror are you using? |
| 19:04.23 | PCPN | paulswm: I have tried several... |
| 19:04.37 | paulswm | PCPN: you can ping www.debian.org OK? |
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| 19:05.43 | PCPN | paulswm: yes, I can ping them, with no problems. even used wget to successfully download a filr form the mirror in the shell <F2> |
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| 19:05.52 | keta | how can I do the celsius degree symbol on a us keyboard? |
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| 19:06.16 | dob | hi |
| 19:06.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:07.05 | absence | how can i find out exactly what goes wrong when i get this error message? ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/echoaudio/echoaudio.c:41: get_firmware(): Firmware not available (-2) |
| 19:07.17 | TGM | lol the debian installation report template: "Description of the install, [*]in prose[*], and any thoughts, comments", what, do they think i might describe it in poetry or ascii art? |
| 19:07.32 | greycat | TGM: try a haiku. they're always appreciated. |
| 19:07.41 | dob | it is better to use openvpn or freeswan ? i read that openvpn is more simple, right? |
| 19:07.53 | Giulius` | hello everyone..I would like to ask help becuase I've a problem while trying to use internet with debian. I've installed debian on my laptop a few days ago and then i've connected it to a pc(with windows xp on) with two network cards |
| 19:07.55 | PCPN | paulswm: there are a bunch of 'resolver' errors following the wget command in the <F4> console |
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| 19:08.02 | paulswm | hah |
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| 19:08.18 | TGM | haiku work the best in japanese though, which unfortunatly i don't know... and i doubt the d-i devs do either |
| 19:08.21 | Giulius` | the problem is that from the laptop i can browse and search only on google.com |
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| 19:08.32 | Giulius` | and I can't access any other site |
| 19:08.42 | daww | How can i view a partition file system? |
| 19:08.45 | maybe | Giulius` install also debian on the pc with xp on it |
| 19:08.50 | gbic | anyone here running deb on HP c3000 ? |
| 19:08.54 | Giulius` | even if i could ping every site from debian laptop |
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| 19:09.00 | paulswm | PCPN: Then it looks like network and not apt |
| 19:09.01 | daww | fdisk and df dont help me |
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| 19:09.12 | Giulius` | <maybe> Giulius` install also debian on the pc with xp on it :)) |
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| 19:09.32 | dvs | daww: fdisk -l |
| 19:09.33 | maybe | Giulius` then learn about forwarding with iptables |
| 19:09.40 | PCPN | paulswm: hmmm, OK...thanks....i will look at the network stuff, then... |
| 19:09.48 | mikeeusa | sarge-i386-netinst.iso http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050219/ |
| 19:09.55 | shingouz | Giulius`: check /etc/resolv.conf and see if you have the nameservers correctly. you also may have some problems with the routing on the XP box or the XP firewall is too anal |
| 19:10.07 | mikeeusa | greycat: going to try now, had to paste it to the win box |
| 19:10.13 | mikeeusa | thanks for the pointer :) |
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| 19:10.55 | Giulius` | i've tried to disable windows firewall on ppp connection and on network connection and check on resolve.conf |
| 19:11.00 | daww | dvs, fdisk -l, nothing happen |
| 19:11.18 | paulswm | daww: fdisk -l /dev/<hd-device-here> |
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| 19:11.24 | shingouz | Giulius`: ppp connection? you on dial-up then? |
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| 19:11.38 | Giulius` | in that file i wrote only the nameserver corresponding to the windows xp computer ip |
| 19:11.40 | newdeb | can anyone please tell me the equivalent in debian of the command rpm -qa --last ? |
| 19:11.42 | dvs | daww: as root |
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| 19:11.58 | shingouz | newdeb: what is that command supposed to do? |
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| 19:12.16 | Giulius` | yes on windows xp i use a dialup connection that i want share with debian laptop |
| 19:12.21 | newdeb | Show all installed packages (order by last installed package) |
| 19:12.50 | shingouz | Giulius`: i still think the doze firewall is acting up somehow :( |
| 19:12.56 | Giulius` | iptables at the moment is set to accept every request |
| 19:13.02 | daww | dvs, huh "Disk /dev/hdb5 doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
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| 19:13.17 | green_earz | newdeb: dpkg -l will list all the packages on the box |
| 19:13.22 | Giulius` | but i can only browse google.com |
| 19:13.33 | newdeb | that is NOT what io asked! |
| 19:13.34 | shingouz | newdeb: /msg dpkg installed packages |
| 19:13.40 | daww | dvs, i have used "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb5" |
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| 19:14.18 | dvs | daww: But is ext3 is in your kernel? |
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| 19:14.42 | daww | dvs, I don't know |
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| 19:14.54 | dvs | daww: modprobe ext3 |
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| 19:15.16 | daww | dvs, ? what should i do |
| 19:15.25 | Giulius` | shingouz I've disabled it without solving the problem :( |
| 19:15.26 | dvs | daww: modprobe ext3, as root |
| 19:15.29 | shingouz | the local tv is going to run something almost worth watching for a change, i'll go couchpotato for a couple of hours. don't fight kids ;) |
| 19:15.37 | paulswm | There isn't a valid partiton table, has nothing to do with ext3 |
| 19:15.50 | daww | dvs, nothing happen |
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| 19:16.00 | dvs | daww: now, fdisk -l |
| 19:16.14 | shingouz | Giulius`: check the routing on both boxes, i am not sure but the windows is what is suspect most |
| 19:16.31 | paulswm | daww: what does (as root) 'sfdisk -l /dev/hdb' say? |
| 19:16.39 | green_earz | newdeb: you asked if how to find out what was last installed. i would think that you would need to look at apt-get logs if there is any. must be. or some like that |
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| 19:17.18 | komozo | abrotman : how to execute fetchmail for many user ? |
| 19:17.33 | Giulius` | shingouz -- > ok thanks i'll try to look in windows routing |
| 19:17.48 | newdeb | looking at apt-get logs? there must be a command for the task i mentioned in debian |
| 19:17.55 | daww | dvs, "fdisk -l /dev/hdb5" "Disk /dev/hdb5 doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
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| 19:17.59 | abrotman | komozo: you have a global fetchmail .. |
| 19:18.04 | abrotman | i think .. i've never used it |
| 19:18.08 | paulswm | newdeb: why must there be? |
| 19:18.13 | komozo | abrotman : i try a script but it says that : user have to own the mail |
| 19:18.14 | abrotman | isn't there a #fetchmail ? |
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| 19:18.26 | komozo | abrotman : no, how to do it ? |
| 19:18.43 | abrotman | komozo: dunno .. never done it |
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| 19:19.10 | dvs | daww: What is suppose to be on /dev/hdb5? |
| 19:19.13 | daww | paulswm, That works fine but "System" on hdb5 is Linux, shouldn't that be ext3 after mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb5? |
| 19:19.30 | newdeb | paulswm, why do you think people want to keep track of things? |
| 19:19.31 | daww | dvs, ext3 |
| 19:19.40 | komozo | abrotman : yes. i a have one fetchmailrc file for each user. i want to execute them at the machine reboot |
| 19:19.50 | daww | dvs, With a singe testfile |
| 19:19.53 | abrotman | komozo: you could write your own init script to do it |
| 19:19.56 | paulswm | daww: the partition type is Linux |
| 19:20.09 | paulswm | daww: The *filesystem* may be ext3 |
| 19:20.17 | daww | paulswm, Ok, and how can i see that |
| 19:20.29 | paulswm | daww: mount it |
| 19:20.40 | daww | paulswm, and then |
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| 19:21.21 | paulswm | daww: then you can use it |
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| 19:21.58 | paulswm | newdeb: there isn't an equivalent |
| 19:22.07 | komozo | abrotman : i did it. it's not working because the "fetchmail -f fetchmailrc" have to be execute bye the owner not by a nother user or by root. |
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| 19:22.21 | abrotman | komozo: su -c |
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| 19:22.28 | abrotman | komozo: man cu |
| 19:22.31 | abrotman | komozo: man su |
| 19:22.34 | abrotman | not cu |
| 19:22.40 | abrotman | jeez |
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| 19:23.06 | daww | paulswm, Its ready and steady, but how can i view the file sytem in hdb5 after it's mounted |
| 19:23.09 | guestish | cu, the next sl :) |
| 19:23.15 | komozo | abrotman : i can't do su -c because it's a boot script |
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| 19:23.20 | abrotman | komozo: bullshit |
| 19:23.29 | newdeb | paulswm, thanks for letting me know. developers kisten up! |
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| 19:23.39 | komozo | abrotman: bull what ? |
| 19:23.49 | daww | How can i view the file sytem at hdb5 after it's mounted? |
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| 19:24.37 | dvs | daww: Where did you mount it? |
| 19:24.51 | daww | dvs, /mnt/work |
| 19:24.57 | abrotman | komozo: that's a pile of poo |
| 19:24.57 | nvz | daww: ls /mnt/work |
| 19:24.59 | dvs | daww: ls /mnt/work |
| 19:25.03 | dvs | dang! |
| 19:25.06 | nvz | :P |
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| 19:25.15 | nvz | wang! |
| 19:25.25 | dvs | bang! |
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| 19:25.34 | nvz | badgerwang |
| 19:26.07 | daww | dvs, yes, that show me the files in it (I know that), I want to know if the file system is ext3 or ext2 or whatever |
| 19:26.23 | dvs | daww: mount |
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| 19:26.50 | daww | dvs, ? |
| 19:26.56 | jpdp | In a stock woody install is ip_alias built into the kernel? If not, what category is the module under? |
| 19:26.59 | dvs | daww: Type "mount" and press enter |
| 19:27.05 | daww | dev aha |
| 19:27.09 | robertg | So many people in here. |
| 19:27.32 | daww | dvs, Was that so easy |
| 19:27.33 | nvz | robertg: ain't it coo? |
| 19:27.34 | komozo | abrotman : i try sudo... |
| 19:27.44 | robertg | nvz, Sure is |
| 19:27.45 | dvs | daww: not from this end ;-P |
| 19:27.45 | robertg | :p |
| 19:27.59 | nvz | robertg: http://debstats.dontexist.org |
| 19:28.05 | abrotman | komozo: ok .. if you say so |
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| 19:28.27 | nomre | bye |
| 19:28.30 | daww | dvs, Hehe =), sorry for bother you, Im newborn to Linux as you may see... |
| 19:28.34 | komozo | abrotman: any other idea ? |
| 19:28.46 | jpdp | In general, how do I enable IP aliasing (virtual IPs) under woody? |
| 19:28.53 | abrotman | komozo: man su ... you can execute those scripts as the user |
| 19:28.59 | nvz | robertg: 4,812 nicks represented this month |
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| 19:29.40 | greycat | jpdp: add a new network interface stanza for "eth0:1", etc. |
| 19:29.53 | jpdp | greycat: No special modules needed anymore? |
| 19:29.55 | robertg | nvz, :P |
| 19:29.58 | robertg | yep. |
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| 19:30.41 | komozo | abrotman: interactivily i know how to do it (su -c) |
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| 19:30.51 | abrotman | komozo: i'm telling you that you can script it |
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| 19:30.54 | newdeb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.04 | abrotman | su - <username> -c "command" iirc |
| 19:31.10 | xnotte | what do i need to install to autorun audio cds ?! |
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| 19:31.20 | daww | How can i make my USB mouse work in Sarge (it's dead)? |
| 19:31.26 | nvz | xnotte: you use gnome? kde> |
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| 19:31.41 | xnotte | gnome |
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| 19:31.44 | nvz | xnotte: you can just add a cdplayer applet to your panel |
| 19:32.06 | nvz | xnotte: right click panel, hit Add to panel, CD Player |
| 19:32.07 | robertg | nvz, do you use testing or unstable? |
| 19:32.15 | nvz | robertg: I use sarge |
| 19:32.19 | robertg | ok. |
| 19:32.28 | xnotte | You do not have permission to use the CD player. |
| 19:32.28 | robertg | same |
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| 19:32.47 | nvz | xnotte: check the link /dev/cdrom that the panel applet is configured for |
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| 19:33.09 | xnotte | its configured to /dev/cdrom |
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| 19:33.15 | nvz | xnotte: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-02-07 19:19 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 19:33.16 | dvs | daww: Which kernel? |
| 19:33.19 | nvz | xnotte: is what I got |
| 19:33.30 | nvz | xnotte: it should point to a vaild device |
| 19:33.47 | xnotte | hmm |
| 19:33.47 | xnotte | ? |
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| 19:33.54 | nvz | xnotte: you can chgrp it to something that would allow you to access it. like disk or cdrom group, then add yourself to the group |
| 19:33.54 | xnotte | what should i do ? |
| 19:34.00 | daww | dvs, 2.4.27-speakup |
| 19:34.14 | xnotte | ok |
| 19:34.15 | xnotte | thx |
| 19:34.16 | dvs | daww: I don't have that kernel anymore so I can't help. |
| 19:34.21 | daww | dvs, The standard kernel in Sarge |
| 19:34.33 | xnotte | but rhythmbox shoulnd be able to play cds ? |
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| 19:34.51 | zeffy | I'm trying to get midi support on intel8x0 (nforce 2 based sound card). I have added module options: options snd-intel8x0 mpu_port=0x330 index=0, and i'm getting: snd_intel8x0: Unknown parameter mpu_port at dmesg. |
| 19:34.54 | nomed^ | hi |
| 19:34.55 | nvz | xnotte: chgrp cdrom /dev/cdrom; adduser youruser cdrom |
| 19:34.59 | zeffy | Any ideas? |
| 19:35.05 | nvz | xnotte: you will have to logout of gnome and log in again |
| 19:35.09 | nomed^ | why xine-dvdnav is not on apt? |
| 19:35.14 | xnotte | nvz, ok |
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| 19:35.30 | xnotte | but why when i enter /cdrom, that is nothing in there ? |
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| 19:35.40 | daww | dvs, witch kernel do I need for you to help me with the USB mouse? |
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| 19:35.45 | nvz | xnotte: do you have mmkeys on your keyboard for cdrom? |
| 19:35.53 | xnotte | no |
| 19:35.58 | dvs | daww: Don't change your kernel to get help. |
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| 19:35.59 | nvz | xnotte: for something basic like playing a cd you want to keep it simple |
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| 19:36.21 | nomed^ | so nobody using xine-dvdnav |
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| 19:36.35 | daww | dvs, I have done it before to 2.6.10 but just once |
| 19:36.37 | ZX81_laptop | hi all |
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| 19:37.11 | dvs | daww: The 2.6.x kernels use the usbmouse module (I think). I'm not sure if it's the same for 2.4.x |
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| 19:38.08 | daww | dvs, it cant be for 2.4.x else I should have it enabled |
| 19:38.15 | daww | dvs, or? |
| 19:38.39 | penguin | OK I see why everyone is having problems with CDROM |
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| 19:39.04 | penguin | Do you need to be SU to mount CD? |
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| 19:39.20 | daww | dvs, Its just to configure the kernel to use usbmouse module if I install 2.6.10, right? |
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| 19:39.41 | dvs | daww: If it's a module, you just have to load it. |
| 19:40.00 | CSRx | im using peercast and i need it to restart with the edited config file. does anyone know how i can do this? |
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| 19:40.07 | daww | dvs, how do i load the mouse module in 2.4.x? |
| 19:40.18 | debian_novice | what do I do if my network is lost while doing a network install? |
| 19:40.19 | dvs | daww: I don't know what the name is for 2.4.x |
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| 19:40.33 | daww | dvs, ah, ok |
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| 19:40.58 | daww | dvs, whats the name for the kernel you know, and witch kernel do you know this for? |
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| 19:42.28 | liam | Hello |
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| 19:43.54 | penguin | Nautilus help needs to explain the /media/cdrom0 thingy |
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| 19:43.56 | debian_novice | what do I do if my network is lost while doing a network install? |
| 19:44.11 | penguin | reboot |
| 19:44.13 | nvz | debian_novice: reconnect :P |
| 19:44.16 | MrP | Do you need to have duplicate copies of Window's users on a linux box in order for windows to even see the computer in "network neighborhood"? |
| 19:44.17 | penguin | I guess |
| 19:44.22 | green_earz | debian_novice: base-config |
| 19:44.30 | dvs | daww: I know that the 2.6 kernels use the uses the usbmouse module |
| 19:44.30 | mwilson | MrP: No. |
| 19:44.36 | debian_novice | do i have to install it all over again? |
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| 19:44.53 | penguin | How far you get? |
| 19:45.01 | green_earz | debian_novice: and pick up your package install again |
| 19:45.07 | daww | dvs, and how do you load it |
| 19:45.29 | MrP | mwilson: What would cause it to not show up? I literally copied a smb.conf file, changed the workgroup to the one the window's system is on, restarted samba, and still no go |
| 19:45.43 | dvs | daww: I'd use "modprobe usbmouse" |
| 19:45.44 | daww | dvs, I will try to do it on 2.4.x to see if it works, else check out some webpages |
| 19:46.04 | green_earz | debian_novice: use base-config to get back to where you select package to be installed. and off agian |
| 19:46.04 | nvz | MrP: I use user access, and setup a user called smbguest, and set that to the guest user in the smb.conf, then windows users who dont supply a password I provide them readonly access to certain dirs and write access to an upload folder. then if you have a user account and supply a password you have access to your personal shares as well |
| 19:46.25 | daww | dvs, I'd tried that but nothing happend |
| 19:46.40 | debian_novice | thanks |
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| 19:46.42 | dvs | daww: Then I guess that's not the name for 2.4.x |
| 19:46.52 | MrP | nvz: I can't even "see" the computer from network neighborhood. I can ping it, but it doesn't show up at all |
| 19:46.57 | green_earz | np |
| 19:47.07 | penguin | Add a section to to smb.conf called [temp] |
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| 19:47.09 | daww | dvs, seems so |
| 19:47.40 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.45 | nvz | MrP: did you edit anything at all? smb.conf? /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ? |
| 19:47.47 | jaybuffet | I have 2 questions. 1) i have all network internet traffic going through a linux box gateway. is there an easy way to continuously monitor and report web usage(ie sites visited) and 2) we have a windows streaming server.. is there anyway a linux server could receive that stream and distribute that to a cluster to be hosted? dont know if that makes sense.. it does in my head.. and 3) (i know i said 2 questions, but i thought of anoth |
| 19:47.55 | penguin | browseable = yes |
| 19:47.58 | nvz | MrP: start the server? |
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| 19:48.11 | corpix_ | hi |
| 19:48.15 | corpix_ | anyone up for a question ? |
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| 19:48.39 | nvz | heh |
| 19:48.41 | MrP | nvz: Yes :-P |
| 19:48.45 | nvz | no way man |
| 19:48.51 | resiak | corpix_: No. We don't like questions in here. |
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| 19:48.56 | greycat | jaybuffet: transparent squid proxy. |
| 19:49.13 | jaybuffet | greycat: for 1) |
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| 19:49.50 | shrub | hey ... i am having a problem trying to get postfix to work with SASL (SMTP AUTH) |
| 19:50.14 | corpix_ | how to get a 3dfx card work ? |
| 19:50.16 | shrub | testsaslauthd works fine, so i know SASL can see PAM |
| 19:50.22 | shrub | but postfix cannot see SASL |
| 19:50.40 | shrub | Feb 21 11:32:49 sandbox postfix/smtpd[21445]: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: Connection refused |
| 19:50.40 | shrub | Feb 21 11:32:49 sandbox postfix/smtpd[21445]: warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed |
| 19:50.45 | debian_novice | how aout using dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:50.50 | debian_novice | ? |
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| 19:51.06 | debian_novice | for starting back the install, if i lost the network connection |
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| 19:51.23 | MrP | nvz: Any other ideas? :) |
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| 19:51.55 | nvz | MrP: I dont know figure out whats happening :P what version of wintendo entertainment system do you have there? |
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| 19:53.11 | MrP | nvz: XP |
| 19:53.40 | MrP | I'm not a big networking person, I stick to web development because of problems like this :) |
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| 19:53.54 | nvz | MrP: well try using that little puppy to help you |
| 19:54.01 | nvz | MrP: get him to dig for a computer |
| 19:54.08 | nvz | MrP: type the linux box's hostname |
| 19:54.09 | MrP | lol |
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| 19:54.19 | MrP | I hate the puppy |
| 19:54.22 | nvz | too bad |
| 19:54.31 | nvz | you are using wintendo entertainment system |
| 19:54.41 | MrP | I know :( |
| 19:54.48 | MrP | No computer found |
| 19:54.58 | guestish | there is a windows network at my school which i try to connect to using debian by just configuring /etc/network/interfaces with the gateway, ip, etc, but it wont let me get to the internet. Im pretty sure its domain based and i dunno how to authenticate myself to the domain, is there any way to connect from linux so i can get to the internet through that network? |
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| 19:55.21 | mikeeusa | ok this new debian thing |
| 19:55.28 | daww | Is BSD OS compatible with 686? |
| 19:55.30 | mikeeusa | only allowed me ONE mirror |
| 19:55.30 | debian_novice | how aout using dpkg --configure -a |
| 19:55.32 | mikeeusa | WTF |
| 19:55.33 | debian_novice | for starting back the install, if i lost the network connection |
| 19:55.35 | mikeeusa | crap |
| 19:55.42 | distempr | Where's the page for intent to package or wnpp packages? |
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| 19:55.50 | distempr | !itp |
| 19:55.50 | dpkg | somebody said itp was Intent To Package |
| 19:55.53 | nvz | mikeeusa: you need to reconfigure your package sources? |
| 19:56.01 | nvz | mikeeusa: use apt-setup |
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| 19:56.25 | abrotman | distempr: debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 19:56.28 | guestish | yeahh.... |
| 19:56.35 | guestish | :) |
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| 19:57.11 | mikeeusa | also i want to install lots of stuff so i have a working box |
| 19:57.16 | AP03 | can anyone help explain why ethX might be ethY on different boots? |
| 19:57.18 | nvz | MrP: did you try going to the entire network and looking for the proper workgroup, and you are sure the server is running? |
| 19:57.20 | mikeeusa | incl developers stuff |
| 19:57.27 | nvz | MrP: how are these two machines connected? |
| 19:57.28 | BucWheat | i have a dir that i need to allow access to mysql user and www-data user. i did chown -R mysql:www-data /var/run/web_app/ and when my script runs i get cannot remove /var/run/web_app/chart |
| 19:57.38 | BucWheat | did i not set the permissions right ? |
| 19:57.42 | mikeeusa | becayse you have to compile stuff |
| 19:57.49 | FieldySnuts | BucWheat: the user or group trying to do so needs at minimum write access |
| 19:57.56 | dvs | AP03: Do the network card use different drivers? |
| 19:58.04 | distempr | abrotman: thx |
| 19:58.14 | AP03 | dvs: usually eth0 is my wired and eth1 is my wireless but now eth0 is my wireless |
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| 19:58.23 | BucWheat | FieldySnuts do i need to chmod the entire dir ? |
| 19:58.33 | MrP | nvz: I only have one workgroup, and yup, the server is running. Unless it can somehow not be working after it says it started it. I just figured it was running if it didn't bark at me |
| 19:58.45 | dvs | AP03: You can use an alias in your /etc/modutils directory to fix which one is eth0 and eth1 |
| 19:58.49 | AP03 | dvs: i recompiled the kernel but i am in the old one so i dont think that would make a difference? |
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| 20:00.08 | x1pepe | hola |
| 20:00.27 | BucWheat | FieldySnuts would chmod -rw-rw-rw- /var/run/web_app/ do the trick ? |
| 20:00.44 | liam | Is there any reason why I wouldn't be able to ping a host (Unknown Host) but 'dig' returns the correct ip from the default nameserver? |
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| 20:01.04 | End3r | I've been trying to get a GUI to work, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 end me up with a computer turning on flashing to tiny red, green, and blue lines and saying X Server couldn't start. Then I apt-get installed x-window-system and now it turns on and just permanentally shows me red, gree, and blue lines. |
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| 20:01.37 | AP03 | dvs: would i alias like this "alias eth0 ipw2200" if ipw2200 is the module for the wireless driver? |
| 20:01.41 | BucWheat | End3r d/l knoppix boot from it and save its config file somewhere then put it on your box then boot into X |
| 20:01.59 | BucWheat | FieldySnuts you still there ?!?!? |
| 20:02.18 | mikeeusa | hi |
| 20:02.21 | mikeeusa | umm |
| 20:02.30 | mikeeusa | i dont have any software |
| 20:02.33 | mikeeusa | what do i do |
| 20:02.36 | nomed^ | can someone check if in his apt source there is libdvdcss? |
| 20:02.38 | End3r | BucWheat, which file is the config file? I don't know. |
| 20:02.50 | BucWheat | End3r XF86Config-4 |
| 20:03.00 | dvs | AP03: Yup |
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| 20:03.05 | resiak | !tell mikeeusa about enter |
| 20:03.07 | AP03 | dvs: what file does that go in? |
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| 20:03.17 | dvs | AP03: Make one up |
| 20:03.30 | paulswm | resiak: I did that like 2 or 3 times already, heh |
| 20:03.40 | resiak | paulswm: Ah well, can't hurt one more time :) |
| 20:03.46 | resiak | paulswm: Move some of those words around. |
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| 20:05.56 | distempr | Is the BSD license valid to include a pkg in debian/ |
| 20:05.57 | distempr | ? |
| 20:06.02 | snapp | could anyone give me a link or something howto get tomcat working against a mysql server? |
| 20:06.07 | eroth | anyone able to help me? i've been running a hd install of knoppix for weeks now, but in the last couple of days, whenever i reboot, i get "devfs fs not supported by kernel", and then it proceeds to mnt my root partition as ro |
| 20:06.31 | distempr | eroth: to save you the heartache.. please see #knoppix |
| 20:07.15 | BucWheat | ugh.. how can i set the permissions on a directory to user:group and when user creates a file the ownership is user:group and not user:user ? |
| 20:07.15 | JoshH | eroth: delete the devfs line from your fstab, you dont need devfs |
| 20:07.30 | resiak | !tell eroth about knoppix |
| 20:07.33 | komozo | abrotman: you're write. i missed the syntax. thanks |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | right .. thanks |
| 20:07.53 | BucWheat | i've done chown user:group -R /dir but everytime user creates a file in /dir the ownership goes to user:user. why is this? |
| 20:07.57 | debian_novice | I need to install PHP5 which needs mysql 4.2.3 but another package needs mysql 4.1..so when I am trying to install 4.2.3 it's removing 4.1 |
| 20:08.00 | debian_novice | what do i do? |
| 20:08.11 | mwilson | BucWheat: Set the sticky bit on the directory. |
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| 20:08.32 | clown | Does a channel exist for debian package builders? |
| 20:08.34 | resiak | debian_novice: PHP5 isn't in Debian, so you're kinda on your own. |
| 20:08.36 | JoshH | debian: is php5 really necessary? |
| 20:09.00 | nomed^ | ummm could someone check if in his apt there is libdvdcss? |
| 20:09.10 | BucWheat | mwilson sticky bit? never heard of it. got a man or something on sticky bits? |
| 20:09.14 | mwilson | nomed^: There isn't. |
| 20:09.22 | mwilson | BucWheat: man chmod |
| 20:09.25 | BucWheat | k |
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| 20:09.37 | nomed^ | mwilson: isn't this strange? |
| 20:09.44 | mwilson | nomed^: Not in the least. |
| 20:09.45 | drac | nomed^: there is, but it's prolly in marillat. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:09.49 | JoshH | nomed^: its because of the license |
| 20:09.53 | debian_novice | we r trying to installing on a server since many people reqeusted for it |
| 20:10.03 | JoshH | nomed^: you have to use an unofficial source like marillat for it |
| 20:10.06 | debian_novice | but it is causing a problem by removing mysql 4.1 |
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| 20:10.29 | ugexe | debian_novice, do they even have a reason for requesting it other then the fact they have heard of it |
| 20:10.39 | resiak | nomed^: Install libdvdread3, then look in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3 |
| 20:10.46 | BucWheat | mwilson just read man chmod and it told me all about sticky bit but not how to set it |
| 20:10.46 | debian_novice | they are all faculty members |
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| 20:10.54 | JoshH | whether they need it or not doesnt matter... they have money, and for him to get it, he needs to provide what they want. |
| 20:11.01 | otje | I have a Debian box going crazy, with loads above 30 right now... I can only login with a non-root account and can't execute much programs; is there a way of restarting it 'nice'? |
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| 20:11.29 | JoshH | well if its not for a business then tell them no |
| 20:11.32 | ugexe | JoshH, so ignore the other customers that may not want php5 which i believe is not considered competly stable yet? |
| 20:11.47 | mwilson | BucWheat: Thank you, but I've already read the chmod man page more than once, I know what's in it. I suggest you actually go ahead and read it, rather than pretending. |
| 20:11.47 | JoshH | ugexe: thats his decision |
| 20:12.04 | BucWheat | mwilson dude i'm looking at the thing now |
| 20:12.21 | BucWheat | mwilson and i did /sticky bit and read all of the references |
| 20:12.29 | debian_novice | so can you tell me what i can do? |
| 20:12.39 | resiak | BucWheat: sticky (t) |
| 20:12.45 | resiak | BucWheat: That's taken from the manpage. |
| 20:12.49 | resiak | BucWheat: LEARN TO READ. |
| 20:12.55 | BucWheat | resiak let me do a /sticky |
| 20:13.08 | resiak | BucWheat: Amazingly, you will ... find it. |
| 20:13.13 | mwilson | A moment ago you were claiming you'd already done that. |
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| 20:13.26 | BucWheat | mwilson no. i said i did /sticky bit |
| 20:13.31 | BucWheat | mwilson not /sticky |
| 20:13.35 | resiak | BucWheat: It's not our fault if you can't search. |
| 20:13.37 | mwilson | Someday I will understand why it's so important to people that they lie about reading documentation. |
| 20:13.47 | mwilson | The day after that, the world will probably end. |
| 20:13.49 | BucWheat | i didn't lie i did read the documentation |
| 20:13.58 | BucWheat | on what i searched |
| 20:14.04 | resiak | BucWheat: Well, you didn't, because you didn't read that bit. |
| 20:14.18 | distempr | mwilson: heh. |
| 20:14.27 | paulswm | BucWheat: It's in the manpage all right, no need to search, the whole thing's only like 2 pages |
| 20:14.30 | resiak | BucWheat: FFS, the manpage is only four pages. |
| 20:14.30 | distempr | mwilson: or everyone will start diggin' In Flames. |
| 20:14.34 | owlmanatt | hi, I just updated one of my boxen's kernels from a debian 2.4 to a debian 2.6.8 kernel and my sound no longer works. It's using the proper module, emu10k1, and it's loaded, but no sound. It isn't just gnome acting broken, because cat /dev/urandom>/dev/dsp doesn't produce any whitenoise. And yes, my speakers are on/plugged in. |
| 20:14.53 | robertg | owlmanatt, check permissions? |
| 20:15.04 | BucWheat | so. i thought searching would be faster. so shoot me :) |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | owlmanatt: but are the speakers turned up? :) |
| 20:15.09 | zeffy | I'm trying to get midi support on intel8x0 (nforce 2 based sound card). I have added module options: options snd-intel8x0 mpu_port=0x330 index=0, and i'm getting: snd_intel8x0: Unknown parameter mpu_port at dmesg. |
| 20:15.14 | paulswm | !shoot BucWheat |
| 20:15.16 | dvs | BANG! |
| 20:15.19 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:15.20 | owlmanatt | robertg: /dev/dsp doesn't give me a permission denied when I try to do whitenoise |
| 20:15.23 | JoshH | owlmanatt: did you run alsaconf? |
| 20:15.24 | BucWheat | heh |
| 20:15.38 | abrotman | he didn't say if he is using alsa |
| 20:15.47 | abrotman | BucWheat: all of it? |
| 20:15.49 | JoshH | he didnt say a lot of things |
| 20:15.51 | abrotman | that will take days :) |
| 20:15.52 | owlmanatt | JoshH: I think it still should be using the oss or whatever. |
| 20:15.54 | ugexe | snd_intel is an alsa driver isnt it |
| 20:15.59 | resiak | ugexe: Yes. |
| 20:16.00 | dvs | I'm using ALSA |
| 20:16.02 | owlmanatt | JoshH: Do I need to install alsa? |
| 20:16.10 | abrotman | owlmanatt: you checked all your levels with the mixer ? |
| 20:16.14 | JoshH | owlmanatt: no, you dont need to |
| 20:16.16 | abrotman | owlmanatt: and i do mean ALL |
| 20:16.18 | paulswm | BucWheat: "Each MODE is one or more of the letters ugoa, one of the symbols +-= and one or more of the letters rwxXstugo." |
| 20:16.23 | owlmanatt | abrotman: Yup. EVerything is fine. |
| 20:16.41 | JoshH | owlmanatt: so when you try to play a sound file, is it silent, or is there an error message? |
| 20:16.44 | dvs | owlmanatt: groups |
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| 20:16.54 | owlmanatt | abauer: ah, wait, this obscure lookign one is set to minimum and it works when I put it up... |
| 20:16.57 | debian_novice | so can you tell me what i can do? |
| 20:17.02 | owlmanatt | hah, my mistake, thanks. |
| 20:17.13 | dvs | !shoot owlmanatt |
| 20:17.19 | dvs | Anyone else? |
| 20:17.25 | beeblebrox87 | where can i find the ussp-push program for sending files to bluetooth phones? |
| 20:17.28 | JoshH | lol |
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| 20:17.34 | beeblebrox87 | the site all the howtos reference is gone now |
| 20:18.31 | zeffy | owlmanatt: I had the same problem, did you try to mute the headphone Jack + Line Jace? |
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| 20:19.06 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: which site? |
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| 20:19.11 | mwilson | BucWheat: I gave you the wrong information... SGID bit, not sticy bit. |
| 20:19.20 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: sorry, forget it |
| 20:19.21 | AP03 | dvs: how can i add "xset -b" to my x boot? |
| 20:19.23 | mwilson | BucWheat: Apologies, I always get the two backwards. |
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| 20:19.37 | dvs | AP03: dunno |
| 20:19.56 | AP03 | can anyone help how to add "xset -b" to my X boot? |
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| 20:20.02 | daww | Whitch CD burning program do you recommend? |
| 20:20.07 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: it was on unrooted.net |
| 20:20.11 | mwilson | cdrecord. |
| 20:20.22 | mwilson | That's the only one there is. |
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| 20:20.42 | mwilson | Anything else is a cdrecord front-end. |
| 20:20.46 | daww | dvs, Whitch CD burning program do you recommend? |
| 20:20.49 | beeblebrox87 | daww: k3b is a nice front-end. |
| 20:20.51 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: I initially thought you meant the Linux HOWTOs, sorry |
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| 20:21.05 | daww | beeblebrox87, ok |
| 20:21.30 | paulswm | mwilson: Thanks, now I feel better about my Dijkstra/Wirth lapse the other day, heh |
| 20:21.39 | mwilson | k3b? ew. |
| 20:21.54 | drp | can you request packages on debian.org |
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| 20:21.58 | mwilson | paulswm: I make mistakes. I also own up to them. |
| 20:23.15 | paulswm | mwilson: Wish some of my colleagues had that view. |
| 20:23.31 | mwilson | <snicker> ... k3b thinks it needs libjack. |
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| 20:23.39 | robertg | colleagues eh? |
| 20:23.47 | mwilson | At least it doesn't try to install jackd. |
| 20:23.50 | drp | nm I think I found the package I was looking for (skype) |
| 20:24.01 | beeblebrox87 | mwilson: well yeah, k3b is bloated etc, but given the way he was asking it seemed like what he wanted |
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| 20:24.18 | mwilson | It's not particularly bloated, it's just crap. |
| 20:24.20 | abrotman | mwilson: i thought someone had started another 'cdrecord' |
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| 20:24.34 | PerfDave | Oh dear, this is mwilson off on another "all GUI applications are shit" rant is it? |
| 20:24.38 | beeblebrox87 | drp: skype is closed-source and (IIRC) non-redistributable so can't be put on debian.org |
| 20:24.39 | nomed^ | resiak: where you talking about install-css.sh? |
| 20:24.40 | eliane | Is there a paperweight manager on Gnome ? |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | your monitor ? |
| 20:24.53 | resiak | nomed^: Read what I said, perhaps? |
| 20:24.53 | mwilson | PerfDave: Oh? I've never done one of those before. Should I? |
| 20:24.58 | beeblebrox87 | mwilson: it may be crap, it's also bloated |
| 20:25.00 | resiak | nomed^: Install libdvdread3, then look in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3 |
| 20:25.06 | beeblebrox87 | mwilson: emovix integration for crying out loud |
| 20:25.23 | nomed^ | i did it |
| 20:25.25 | mwilson | Whatever 'emovix' is supposed to be. |
| 20:25.27 | resiak | nomed^: Aaaand? |
| 20:25.29 | PerfDave | mwilson: I'm sure you could just collate all your prior rants about how "GUI application X is shit, you should use console application Y" and be done with it. |
| 20:25.47 | eliane | I mean, is there a multi-clipboard manager on Gnome ? |
| 20:26.01 | abrotman | PerfDave: maybe you should make a !mwilsonrant :) |
| 20:26.04 | nomed^ | resiak: and i found install-css.sh .... |
| 20:26.10 | beeblebrox87 | mwilson: it's a bootable linux distro with mplayer that k3b gives you the option of including on CDs containing media playable by mplayer. |
| 20:26.14 | mwilson | PerfDave: If console application Y is in fact better than GUI application X, why shouldn't it be used? |
| 20:26.27 | resiak | nomed^: ...so run it? |
| 20:26.29 | PerfDave | mwilson: You seem to have different definitions of "in fact" and "better" to most people ;) |
| 20:26.33 | abrotman | mwilson: define better .. there's the problem |
| 20:26.36 | resiak | nomed^: As the README.Debian _says_ to do. |
| 20:26.43 | nomed^ | resiak: it 's what i did |
| 20:27.00 | penguin | better is the opposite of worse |
| 20:27.01 | resiak | nomed^: ...and? |
| 20:27.09 | abrotman | penguin: define worse |
| 20:27.10 | mwilson | PerfDave: If you mean that an application being a GUI one doesn't automatically give it more credibility, you're right. |
| 20:27.16 | eliane | (sorry, my english and my french-english dictionary both suck) |
| 20:27.18 | penguin | opposite of better |
| 20:27.23 | abrotman | !fr |
| 20:27.23 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 20:27.33 | PerfDave | mwilson: No, that's not what I mean, and you know it. |
| 20:27.39 | nomed^ | resiak: it downgraded my libdvdcss from 1.2.8 to 1.2.5 |
| 20:27.45 | paulswm | abauer: better is better than worse which itself is worse than better of course |
| 20:27.58 | abrotman | paulswm: a horse is a horse of course ? |
| 20:27.58 | paulswm | abrotman: better is better than worse which itself is worse than better of course |
| 20:28.04 | abrotman | paulswm: it's ok . i saw it :) |
| 20:28.08 | resiak | nomed^: You didn't say that you already _had_ libdvdcss |
| 20:28.17 | paulswm | abauer: sorry, mistaken identity |
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| 20:28.35 | nomed^ | resiak: i was asking why libdvdcss is not on apt .... :D |
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| 20:28.47 | resiak | nomed^: Read the README I pointed you at again. |
| 20:28.51 | mwilson | nomed^: And you were told. |
| 20:28.59 | resiak | nomed^: Then search the web. |
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| 20:29.15 | PerfDave | nomed^: Then ask the Oracle of Delphi |
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| 20:29.33 | resiak | !tell nomed^ about decss |
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| 20:29.41 | nomed^ | actually it what i did ... it seems |
| 20:30.16 | abrotman | mwilson: morons ? |
| 20:30.28 | abrotman | PerfDave: oracleofbacon!! |
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| 20:30.45 | nomed^ | [21:10] <JoshH> nomed^: its because of the license .... that was enough :D |
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| 20:31.17 | PerfDave | Uhm, isn't libdvdcss GPL? |
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| 20:31.28 | beeblebrox87 | mwilson: broken windows systems without any codecs? |
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| 20:31.30 | resiak | PerfDave: Yes, but dvdcss is illegal! |
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| 20:31.33 | mwilson | PerfDave: Isn't mplayer supposedly GPL? |
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| 20:31.52 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: americans are silly |
| 20:32.01 | resiak | username12345: Don't IRC as root. |
| 20:32.04 | beeblebrox87 | is libdvdcss in non-us? |
| 20:32.04 | PerfDave | resiak: So libdvdcss is not "not in Debian because of the license", because the license is DFSG-compatiable ;) |
| 20:32.11 | mwilson | beeblebrox87: Entertaining, but not relevant. |
| 20:32.13 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: That's not what non-us is for. |
| 20:32.17 | resiak | PerfDave: True :-) |
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| 20:32.29 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: err, why not? |
| 20:32.36 | resiak | !non-us |
| 20:32.36 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me about "crypto" |
| 20:32.46 | beeblebrox87 | see |
| 20:32.49 | PerfDave | (and there is no non-us any more) |
| 20:32.51 | PCPN | beeblebrox87: no, Americans are not silly, we are nosey bushy asses who thing we run adn rule the world... |
| 20:32.55 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: "distributed from", not "used in" |
| 20:32.56 | beeblebrox87 | libdvdcss cannot be distributed from the USA. |
| 20:33.02 | resiak | beeblebrox87: It's for software that can't be exported, rather than not be used, in the uS. |
| 20:33.04 | nomed^ | really funny apt :D |
| 20:33.05 | mwilson | PerfDave: Example would be why mpg123 is in non-free despite it being GPL. |
| 20:33.11 | beeblebrox87 | ah ok |
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| 20:33.46 | penguin | crypt stuff also? |
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| 20:33.50 | beeblebrox87 | ummm... has any court actually ruled that decss is illegal? |
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| 20:34.11 | JoshH | beeblebrox87: well the guy who created it did get tried in court twice |
| 20:34.17 | JoshH | in the netherlands or norway or whatever |
| 20:34.20 | PerfDave | JoshH: And let off. |
| 20:34.25 | JoshH | true |
| 20:34.31 | JoshH | imo, it wouldnt hurt for debian to include it |
| 20:34.35 | beeblebrox87 | norway, and yes he was let off |
| 20:34.39 | JoshH | you dont see marillat getting takedown notices |
| 20:34.46 | JoshH | or videolan.org |
| 20:34.56 | abrotman | JoshH: where are they hosted? |
| 20:35.05 | mwilson | marillat is in .fr |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | and that's why |
| 20:35.28 | beeblebrox87 | the EU has a directive similar to the DMCA |
| 20:35.37 | dvs | abrotman: I thought France doesn't allow any encryption |
| 20:35.39 | JoshH | well maybe debian could have a non-us repo or something for it |
| 20:35.43 | abrotman | dvs: i'm not french |
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| 20:35.46 | PerfDave | videolan.org is also in France. |
| 20:35.53 | abrotman | JoshH: there already is |
| 20:35.58 | abrotman | !nonus |
| 20:35.58 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me about "crypto" |
| 20:36.00 | PerfDave | JoshH: It has a repository for patent-encumbered stuff. Marillat. |
| 20:36.00 | JoshH | they could be like openbsd and simply host everything in a different country |
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| 20:36.04 | beeblebrox87 | vive la france |
| 20:36.11 | pook | Hi, i'm trying to install my video drivers with an installer script and I keep getting a comple error saying ERROR: Kernel modules did not complie |
| 20:36.11 | pook | where should I start with this |
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| 20:36.12 | JoshH | PerfDave: that isnt actually official though |
| 20:36.20 | PerfDave | pook: Which video drivers? |
| 20:36.23 | leonel | Sarge come out come out wherever you are ! |
| 20:36.25 | abrotman | oh .. let me guess! |
| 20:36.35 | dov123 | hi guys - any good howtos about installing 3D ATI drivers on Debian? |
| 20:36.40 | Essobi | Is there any decent US testing mirrors? Kernel.org is slow from my site right now. |
| 20:36.42 | abrotman | !tell dov123 about ati |
| 20:36.42 | beeblebrox87 | i live in Tanzania, i don't think we have any laws against doing anything with a computer |
| 20:36.42 | PerfDave | dov123: Buy an nVidia card ;) |
| 20:36.43 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: Agincourt, Waterloo, remember |
| 20:36.45 | abrotman | !tell dov123 about ati drivers |
| 20:36.47 | abrotman | there we go |
| 20:36.49 | pook | PerfDave: they're intel drivers for my laptop.... i can give you the exact number if you like |
| 20:37.02 | PerfDave | pook: It's fine, just checking they weren't the nvidia ones. |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | pook: they're in debian already |
| 20:37.09 | abrotman | pook: at least mine are |
| 20:37.12 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: so ability to kill lots of people determines the worth of a country? |
| 20:37.19 | pook | yah, but i'm trying to get opengl working |
| 20:37.20 | resiak | PerfDave: Here we go again with ATI |
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| 20:37.30 | Essobi | beeblebrox87 HELL yea! |
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| 20:37.41 | abrotman | pook: mine does .. no extra steps required |
| 20:37.52 | ziL | Anyone seen Joe Drew around? |
| 20:37.54 | PerfDave | "Violence, the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived" |
| 20:37.56 | pook | hmm....but tuxracer is slow when i test it |
| 20:38.01 | pook | it's jittery |
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| 20:38.17 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: And if you think Americans are silly, you ought to stop using American designed/invented stuff like the internet for instance |
| 20:38.25 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: something which people say when their authority is derived from nothing but violence |
| 20:38.32 | mwilson | Uh, pouring again. |
| 20:38.35 | mwilson | feh |
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| 20:38.42 | scarynetworkguy | beeblebrox87: No violence is the basis of all civilization. |
| 20:38.42 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: note that i am american |
| 20:38.42 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Which all authority ultimtely is. |
| 20:38.42 | mwilson | No going to convenience store for me. |
| 20:38.43 | beeblebrox87 | sort of |
| 20:38.53 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: you missed a comma. |
| 20:39.00 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: Well that's OK, then :) |
| 20:39.00 | greycat | "No, violence is the basis of all civilization. |
| 20:39.02 | greycat | " |
| 20:39.09 | PerfDave | mwilson: Convenience stores are the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived? ;) |
| 20:39.15 | ziL | paulswm: But the web is a European invention atleast :) |
| 20:39.16 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Yes. That is corrct. Thanks. |
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| 20:39.29 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 20:39.37 | resiak | solemnwarning: Third time lucky, eh? |
| 20:39.45 | mwilson | PerfDave: No, convenience stores are the supreme authority from which snack food is derived |
| 20:39.50 | paulswm | ziL: Sure, which sits on top of the American invention :) |
| 20:39.55 | Essobi | ziL Yea when it was all gopher and ARCHIE data. :P |
| 20:39.57 | pook | I guess it depends on where you determine the starting point for the internet...forgetting arpanet |
| 20:39.59 | dvs | ziL: But the internet is not :-> |
| 20:40.06 | oneo | hey guys - my sound driver wont load at startup anymore for some reason...although when i do a modprobe emu10k1 it works...how can i make this start at startup again? |
| 20:40.18 | gravity | oneo: Add it to /etc/modules |
| 20:40.21 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave, scarynetworkguy: i disagree |
| 20:40.21 | solemnwarning | i ran "apt-get install x-window-system" but apt-get could not find package and ive added sources |
| 20:40.23 | ziL | dvs: Hehe, that's true |
| 20:40.23 | mwilson | oneo: Undo whatever change you made that stopped it from loading. |
| 20:40.30 | ziL | Essobi: And your point is? |
| 20:40.36 | scarynetworkguy | beeblebrox87: How do you figure? |
| 20:40.36 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: You can disagree, but you're wrong. |
| 20:40.39 | solemnwarning | any1 know wtf is going on? |
| 20:40.39 | pook | oneo: did it work before? |
| 20:40.40 | Essobi | ziL Tehe. Archie sucks. |
| 20:41.04 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: why does thinking most people in a certain group are silly mean that one shouldn't use the innovations created by possibly non-silly members of that group? |
| 20:41.09 | mwilson | solemnwarning: You'll have to wait until 'any1' joins the channel. |
| 20:41.14 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 20:41.14 | ziL | Well, I'll just have to email drew then |
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| 20:41.17 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: for that matter, why can't i use things created by silly people? |
| 20:41.33 | scarynetworkguy | beeblebrox87: Name a single aspect of human society that is not rooted in violence. |
| 20:41.34 | resiak | solemnwarning: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:41.46 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: Actually I'm a BRit living in the US, and Americans have always been kind and welcoming to me, so I get a bit cranky if I think someone's dissing Americans, becuase I see it **all the time** |
| 20:41.50 | beeblebrox87 | scarynetworkguy: what do you mean "aspect"? |
| 20:42.07 | resiak | !dict aspect |
| 20:42.12 | mikeeusa | AK 47Z of kours3 |
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| 20:42.13 | solemnwarning | V3 net install |
| 20:42.16 | dpkg | Dictionary 'aspect' (5 shown; 30 total): (1996-03-25) ;; a characteristic to be considered ;; 5. Prospect; outlook. [Obs.] ;; . 151 "aspect" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" aspect ;; This town affords a good aspect toward the hill from whence we descended. --Evelyn.. |
| 20:42.17 | greycat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NewFaq Please read and comment. |
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| 20:42.45 | resiak | solemnwarning: apt-get update? |
| 20:43.08 | solemnwarning | i still get problem |
| 20:43.21 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: yeah, they were never very nice to me when i lived there, and their current leadership is clearly insane, so i get a bit cranky when people go on about how superior they are. |
| 20:43.25 | beeblebrox87 | scarynetworkguy: knowledge |
| 20:43.30 | abrotman | pook: glxinfo | grep Direct |
| 20:43.37 | abrotman | pook: does it say yes or no? |
| 20:43.38 | resiak | solemnwarning: What's the error message on which it fails? |
| 20:43.42 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: What stops me taking your knowledge from you? |
| 20:43.46 | noloK | can i connect a scart cabel to the RF channel of the tv? |
| 20:43.47 | solemnwarning | cant find package |
| 20:44.03 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: the nature of knowledge |
| 20:44.06 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: you can kill me |
| 20:44.08 | resiak | solemnwarning: /j #flood; paste your sources.list |
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| 20:44.12 | beeblebrox87 | but you can't take knowledge from me |
| 20:44.17 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: I can torture it out of you. |
| 20:44.26 | beeblebrox87 | i'll still have it |
| 20:44.29 | scarynetworkguy | beeblebrox87: Wrong. You need to have a group of people who can live with each other before you can start getting knowledge. This is impossible without violence. |
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| 20:44.33 | beeblebrox87 | like the RIAA still has all the music |
| 20:44.34 | paulswm | beeblebrox87: It's the Brits which are superior anyway :P |
| 20:44.41 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: agreed. |
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| 20:44.47 | paulswm | j/k |
| 20:44.51 | PerfDave | Bah, they cancelled The Bill for The Brits, The Brits can go fuck off. |
| 20:44.54 | resiak | solemnwarning: Or you could just ignore my offer of help. |
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| 20:45.02 | reset | boa tarde, alguem conheçe outra loja do mesmo genero que a linuxmall? |
| 20:45.03 | solemnwarning | i was watching tv |
| 20:45.04 | beeblebrox87 | paulswm: going to cambridge next year, thankfully. |
| 20:45.10 | solemnwarning | pasting list... |
| 20:45.11 | Delph | beeblebrox87: tsk. |
| 20:45.14 | reset | aorry |
| 20:45.16 | reset | sorry |
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| 20:45.20 | Delph | beeblebrox87: you don't want to do that. |
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| 20:45.25 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. Gonna get ripped to shreds. |
| 20:45.26 | beeblebrox87 | Delph: why not? |
| 20:45.34 | resiak | Ox > Cam, etc. |
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| 20:45.41 | Delph | resiak: no. |
| 20:45.46 | Delph | resiak: Cam > other place, clearly. |
| 20:45.47 | beeblebrox87 | resiak: no. |
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| 20:46.11 | resiak | beeblebrox87, Delph: You collectively lie :) |
| 20:46.25 | Delph | resiak: *insert tired jokes* |
| 20:46.26 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Cambridge is a hive of scum and villany in dire need of getting nuked. |
| 20:46.27 | beeblebrox87 | Delph: why do i not want to do that? |
| 20:46.31 | resiak | Delph: Heh. |
| 20:46.36 | Delph | beeblebrox87: because you'll take the wrong subject, I know it. |
| 20:46.48 | beeblebrox87 | Delph: what subject will i take? |
| 20:46.49 | greycat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NewFaq Please read and comment. |
| 20:46.53 | Delph | beeblebrox87: which one then? |
| 20:47.00 | soundsoldier | hello, i'm having a problem mounting nfs. I've made sure that rpc.portmap is running, and i can export filesystems just fine, perhaps i have misconfigured the portmapper somewhere along the line |
| 20:47.06 | PerfDave | Everywhere > Cambridge |
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| 20:47.28 | BucWheat | ok after read chmod manpage and playing with it. i still can't remove files from my perl script |
| 20:47.37 | resiak | solemnwarning: I'm afraid that my patience is waning... |
| 20:47.37 | digress | if I have gdm selected as my window manager, and the only user I have setup is root, am I screwed? |
| 20:47.43 | beeblebrox87 | Delph: what do you mean i'll take the wrong subject? |
| 20:47.45 | hogballs | anyone know how to change servers when i use apt-get? |
| 20:47.48 | BucWheat | in my perl program i have system('rm /var/run/web_app/chart'); |
| 20:47.52 | mwilson | Gdm isn't a window manager. |
| 20:47.56 | dvs | digress: yes |
| 20:47.58 | resiak | BucWheat: You do realise that to delete files you have to have write permissions on the directory? |
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| 20:48.01 | BucWheat | and everytime it says permission denied |
| 20:48.05 | greycat | BucWheat: um, can't perl unlink files by itself? |
| 20:48.06 | hogballs | i remeber i had a list to pick from but i dont know how to invoke the list |
| 20:48.11 | resiak | hogballs: apt-setup |
| 20:48.12 | digress | mwilson, so what is gdm? |
| 20:48.21 | BucWheat | resiak yea. the user:group has w perms. set |
| 20:48.27 | mwilson | A display manager. |
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| 20:48.42 | greycat | BucWheat: removing a file requires write permission on the DIRECTORY that it is in. It does not require anything on the file itself. |
| 20:48.58 | digress | an old-looking gnome login manager comes up at boot . . . I've been using console for about a month, I ran dselect and it ran me through some config, and now this one starts up |
| 20:49.04 | hogballs | thank you resiak |
| 20:49.07 | BucWheat | greycat hrm.. let me check the perms on dir |
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| 20:49.18 | greycat | resiak: you have to SCREAM it at them :) |
| 20:49.19 | digress | sshd is broken, I can't log in through that or telnet, and gdm won't let me log in as root |
| 20:49.30 | resiak | greycat: Heheh. |
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| 20:49.48 | mwilson | digress: And you would't just switch to another VT and log in as root because...? |
| 20:49.59 | greycat | or better yet, run an xterm and 'su' |
| 20:50.11 | digress | mwilson, as in alt+f#? |
| 20:50.17 | hogballs | i wonder since im downloading something right now if runing setup will effect the download by either switching to the new server or just cancel the download |
| 20:50.18 | mwilson | greycat: He has to get INTO the box before he can run an xterm. :) |
| 20:50.18 | pook | I am getting an error saying "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686/build: no such file or directory. Stop." |
| 20:50.28 | pook | what does that directory mean? |
| 20:50.28 | BucWheat | greycat the perms on /var/run/web_app is drwxrwxr-- |
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| 20:50.42 | resiak | BucWheat: And is the script run as the user or group in question? |
| 20:50.51 | greycat | pook: it means you didn't install kernel-headers-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 20:50.52 | BucWheat | greycat ownership of that dir is mysql:www-data |
| 20:50.55 | jstevens | hogballs: it'll probably not allow you access to run the setup |
| 20:50.58 | BucWheat | resiak apache runs the script |
| 20:50.59 | digress | I can't seem to get any other alt+f# terminal to come up, and there's no key combo to exit gdm |
| 20:51.04 | BucWheat | resiak which is www-data |
| 20:51.04 | pook | hmm...but i did |
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| 20:51.17 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Pretty good so far. |
| 20:51.22 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: thanks |
| 20:51.25 | mwilson | 92 mb of crao just to run a crap application. |
| 20:51.30 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: NP. |
| 20:51.37 | pook | greycat: if i already did that through apt-get....do i just copy the files into that directory? |
| 20:51.49 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: I figured the current Wiki front-page was a bit intimidating, which might explain why nobody *reads* the damned thing |
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| 20:51.57 | digress | is there some minimal-startup I can invoke while linux is booting? |
| 20:52.00 | zOap | I'm having some trouble using prism54 and my smc2835w wireless card. It finds it but it says the driver is invalid. But the driver is the one i got from prism54.org.. Any ideas? |
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| 20:52.15 | greycat | pook: ls -ld /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 20:52.25 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Yeah. That makes snese. This does look a bit more, dare I say it, userfriendly. |
| 20:52.29 | PCPN | can anyone recommend good sources for apt regarding AMD64 ? |
| 20:52.35 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 20:52.35 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 20:52.40 | paulswm | digress: you can boot up in single user mode with the boot option S |
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| 20:52.42 | scarynetworkguy | And having a lot of the common stuff on the front should help. |
| 20:52.47 | noloK | greycat do you know whether i can connect a scart cable to the RF channel of the tv? |
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| 20:53.00 | mwilson | greycat: You have a wiki now? |
| 20:53.03 | DeltaSierraLima | someone here who can help with a problem with mgetty? |
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| 20:53.07 | greycat | mwilson: ours/tarzeau's. |
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| 20:53.10 | resiak | solemnwarning: What the hell? |
| 20:53.12 | digress | paulswm, I'm using LILO, do I have to edit the bootup arguemtn there? or can I just hit S while it's loading? |
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| 20:53.16 | pook | greycat: says there is no such file or directory |
| 20:53.17 | mwilson | greycat: Where? |
| 20:53.24 | greycat | mwilson: /topic |
| 20:53.32 | solemnwarning | how can i copy my file to bitchx in bash from nano? |
| 20:53.42 | tarzeau | mwilson: since years. you want to edit it too? |
| 20:53.48 | antoniodelsurb | hi |
| 20:53.49 | greycat | solemnwarning: /exec -o command |
| 20:53.51 | tarzeau | greycat: i'll just edit the mainpage bottom how to get an account |
| 20:53.57 | solemnwarning | huh? |
| 20:54.05 | greycat | tarzeau: the existing man page? |
| 20:54.08 | greycat | s/man/main/ |
| 20:54.21 | noloK | no help for me |
| 20:54.36 | paulswm | digital_: I dont use lilo, but I think you can enter S at the boot prompt and it will append it as a boot option |
| 20:54.37 | tarzeau | greycat: yes, because "simply editing" won't work anymore, one needs an account |
| 20:54.39 | mwilson | tarzeau: No, I wouldn't have anything to contribute to it. |
| 20:54.51 | resiak | greycat: /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list (I think) |
| 20:54.53 | resiak | greycat: Sorry. |
| 20:54.53 | helix | mwilson: you always have vitriol! |
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| 20:54.59 | resiak | solemnwarning: /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list (I think) |
| 20:55.02 | [1]SodaPop | Okay everyone, I know what text I want in a startup script. How in the world do I make it a startup script and how do I make it work? |
| 20:55.11 | greycat | [1]SodaPop: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:55.16 | xnotte | what's the best gnome cdburner ? |
| 20:55.25 | greycat | xnotte: xterm + cdrecord |
| 20:55.25 | mwilson | helix: I don't like wiki, generally. |
| 20:55.26 | resiak | !best |
| 20:55.26 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:55.30 | greycat | !for gnome |
| 20:55.30 | dpkg | "For gnome"? What is this, Proprietary Software Land where you have to have special programs for each different system? Ask me about <for X>. |
| 20:55.34 | tarzeau | helix: vitriol is what? |
| 20:55.39 | helix | moin in particular sucks |
| 20:55.41 | greycat | !dict vitriol |
| 20:55.41 | helix | !dict vitriol |
| 20:55.42 | digress | paulswm, thanks, I'm off to try it |
| 20:55.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'vitriol' (2 shown; 18 total): Fuming sulphuric acid, or Nordhausen sulphuric acid. See Disulphuric acid, under Disulphuric. ;; White vitriol, zinc sulphate, a white crystalline substance used in medicine and in dyeing. It is usually obtained by dissolving zinc in sulphuric acid, or by roasting and oxidizing certain zinc ores. Formerly called also vitriol of zinc.. |
| 20:55.45 | [1]SodaPop | Okay I'll give her a glance. |
| 20:55.46 | xnotte | greycat, i want a front end to cdrecord |
| 20:55.54 | helix | bah |
| 20:55.57 | helix | !win greycat |
| 20:55.57 | asuffield | that was probably not a very helpful definition |
| 20:55.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 20:55.58 | greycat | xnotte: sounds like you want k3b. |
| 20:56.00 | resiak | xnotte: apt-cache search cdrecord perhaps? |
| 20:56.06 | DeltaSierraLima | some mgetty-crack in here? |
| 20:56.08 | tarzeau | xnotte: www.linuks.mine.nu/cdrecord/ one liner doc |
| 20:56.14 | resiak | DeltaSierraLima: WaReZ? |
| 20:56.16 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: I must be confused/stupid I thought going to UserPreferences should give a account creation page. |
| 20:56.26 | xnotte | greycat, k3b its kde, i'm looking for gtk |
| 20:56.28 | DeltaSierraLima | resiak: no, mgetty problem |
| 20:56.40 | resiak | DeltaSierraLima: What's mgetty crack? Sounds strong! |
| 20:56.44 | helix | I think everything in this apartment is japanese |
| 20:56.49 | helix | asuffield would love it |
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| 20:57.01 | greycat | xnotte: why? NOT FUCKING PRETTY ENOUGH? |
| 20:57.01 | zOap | xnotte, why does it have to be gtk based? |
| 20:57.03 | asuffield | helix: being japanese does not make it good |
| 20:57.11 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: do go again to userpreferences on the middle top :) |
| 20:57.18 | helix | I trust this japanese person's taste |
| 20:57.24 | greycat | xnotte: jesus, get OVER yourself. use cdrecord like god intended, or use k3b like the mad GUI developers intended. |
| 20:57.26 | DeltaSierraLima | resiak: crack = someone who knows about the program |
| 20:57.32 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: don't ask me, it's a bit confusing, and then go to the german link bottom, and there you can type a password |
| 20:57.39 | gravity | helix: Is this mika's place? |
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| 20:57.48 | helix | yeah |
| 20:57.54 | mikeeusa | aptitude is nice |
| 20:57.54 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: what greycat said, and man update-rc.d |
| 20:58.00 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: I'm looking again. |
| 20:58.01 | gravity | Cool. I need to bug her about her work when I see her again |
| 20:58.05 | asuffield | helix: I don't trust any japanese person's taste, any more than I would trust an american :P |
| 20:58.10 | xnotte | zOap, because i use gnome, and want to be fast, not to load all kde stuff |
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| 20:58.22 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: tell me if you don't find it, and i'll paste the link |
| 20:58.26 | [1]SodaPop | Do I type that man business right now or after some scripting? |
| 20:58.38 | greycat | ALWAYS read the man page immediately. |
| 20:58.42 | zOap | xnotte, gnome have got several good cdrecord suites, don't have to look for gtk based |
| 20:58.50 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: I must be blind. Linkage please. :) |
| 20:58.53 | Markk | hello guys..could someone help me configuring debian xfree86 with a laptop having an ATI mobility radeon IGP 320M vido card please? |
| 20:58.56 | greycat | that's why your computer can have multiple processes running at the same time. so you can read the man page while you edit. |
| 20:58.56 | helix | the books are cool |
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| 20:59.02 | tarzeau | scarynetworkguy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/BenutzerEinstellungen?action=highlight&value=UserPreferences |
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| 20:59.07 | modeman | what do you need to edit to switch from kde (which starts by default) in order to get another xsystem up, wmaker for example? |
| 20:59.07 | gbic | Anyone currently using the hppa release? |
| 20:59.08 | scarynetworkguy | tarzeau: Thanks. |
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| 20:59.20 | resiak | !hppa |
| 20:59.23 | xnotte | zOap, thats what i want...the best cdrecord suite for gnome |
| 20:59.30 | greycat | !for gnome |
| 20:59.30 | dpkg | "For gnome"? What is this, Proprietary Software Land where you have to have special programs for each different system? Ask me about <for X>. |
| 20:59.34 | asuffield | helix: you could say that about a library. doesn't mean I'd want to live with a librarian |
| 20:59.36 | mwilson | gbic: I used to. |
| 20:59.39 | resiak | xnotte: apt-cache search cdrecord gnome |
| 20:59.39 | resiak | ? |
| 20:59.51 | mikeeusa | now aptitued says nothing else needs to be downloaded |
| 20:59.52 | greycat | Pa-The-Tic. |
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| 20:59.54 | helix | asuffield: yeah, I know, but they're so small |
| 20:59.57 | helix | she has small ones anyway |
| 21:00.03 | gbic | mwilson can I pm you? |
| 21:00.05 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: You'll prolly use update-rc.d to install scripts, so whenever you like. You should read about the debian boot process too, if you don't have a handle on the boot script numbering |
| 21:00.07 | mikeeusa | now.... I know I havent downloaded everything |
| 21:00.13 | mwilson | gbic: Of course not. |
| 21:00.19 | doublehp | vim: since last week, the way vim works on my system changed: i tried to remove /etc/vim, and ~/.vim*, or restaure backups; nothing change; new attitude: -1- when I press backspace, it does not delete previous character, -2- when writing C, it does not indent automatically the code: I have to press TAB on each nev line. I also tried to reinstall the package ( Debian SID ) ... what can be wrong ? both user and root endorse those changes :( My vimr |
| 21:00.24 | asuffield | helix: ...are we back to your sex life again? |
| 21:00.25 | xnotte | resiak, i don't want to know what exists...i want to have a opinion to best cdrecord suite |
| 21:00.32 | resiak | xnotte: TRY THEM, FFS. |
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| 21:00.38 | zOap | xnotte, why didn't you just say so? Gnome have many good ones which isn't gtk based... Use apt-cache and take your pic. |
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| 21:00.54 | helix | asuffield: I don't even know what that is |
| 21:01.13 | ferris | I am trying to change the permissions for my usb drive, (I am using the KNoppix Live cd) |
| 21:01.17 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 21:01.17 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
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| 21:01.51 | hogballs | resiak, ok ive added like 5 servers to choose from for downloading apt. is there a way to switch servers if its downloading too slow? |
| 21:01.56 | bob2 | ah |
| 21:02.00 | xnotte | zOap, resiak : didnt you understand that i don't want and don't have time to try all ? i just want your opinion for the best to use !!! |
| 21:02.02 | modeman | what do you need to edit to switch from kde (which starts by default) in order to get another xsystem up, wmaker for example? |
| 21:02.02 | juhov | resiak: /bind :) |
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| 21:02.08 | ferris | i have to use knoppix on disk so i can pull off the info... and put the real thing on it |
| 21:02.35 | ferris | don't mean to offend dpkg |
| 21:02.44 | paulswm | !best |
| 21:02.44 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:02.44 | zOap | xnotte, My opinion is not anybody elses opinion. As in the rest of linux world you have to try many and use the one who works best for your needs |
| 21:02.50 | resiak | xnotte: k3b. Now shush. |
| 21:02.57 | jan_ | Hmm, i need some help on logrotate, when logrotate rotates my log of apache, it first makes a copy to apache.log.1, then apache.log.1.1, then apache.log.1.1.1 , ... apache.log.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 .. |
| 21:03.01 | jan_ | how can i tell logrotate to have a weekly plain text file, and all the rest in ONE tar ? |
| 21:03.05 | ferris | the people in #knoppix are unresponsive |
| 21:03.06 | resiak | juhov: You rock. |
| 21:03.20 | paulswm | ferris: no shit. |
| 21:03.21 | asuffield | jan_: you can't |
| 21:03.25 | Delph | ferris: mazing that. Doesn't mean we're still not #debian. |
| 21:03.37 | mikeeusa | how do i download stuff with aptitude |
| 21:03.37 | jan_ | asuffield: please explain |
| 21:03.42 | asuffield | jan_: logrotate can't do that |
| 21:03.42 | mikeeusa | its not working anymore |
| 21:03.43 | digress | paulswm, that seems like it workded, I was able to add a user and I'll try logging in now |
| 21:03.46 | zOap | resiak, xnotte don't want to install all kde libraries.. he's a gnome |
| 21:03.50 | SPF | where can I find cdrom iso's (2 cd version) I dont want to download all |
| 21:03.54 | digress | so should I use xdm or gdm is I want a display manager? |
| 21:03.59 | paulswm | digress: Good :) |
| 21:03.59 | mikeeusa | g just does "nothing is scefuled to be downladed or installed" |
| 21:04.02 | mikeeusa | ???? |
| 21:04.15 | asuffield | jan_: there's at least a dozen different packages for this job, use something else |
| 21:04.17 | dvs | SPF: Then don't download them all |
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| 21:04.34 | jan_ | ic, i'll search for it, thanks |
| 21:04.34 | ferris | Delph, knoppix is a piece of crap.... i use debian... do you know of a live debian release? |
| 21:04.37 | resiak | zOap: Yeah, well. |
| 21:04.42 | jstevens | SPF: download the base, then net-install the rest |
| 21:04.42 | mikeeusa | g just does "nothing is scefuled to be downladed or installed" |
| 21:04.48 | zOap | resiak, yeah |
| 21:04.50 | mikeeusa | Aptitude: g just does "nothing is scefuled to be downladed or installed" |
| 21:04.52 | mikeeusa | Aptitude: g just does "nothing is scefuled to be downladed or installed" |
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| 21:05.01 | resiak | mikeeusa really is a retard. |
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| 21:05.16 | greycat | resiak: he's *worse*. He's a known troll. |
| 21:05.27 | modeman | does anyone know how to change runlevel ? |
| 21:05.27 | helix | go usa |
| 21:05.33 | greycat | modeman: man inittab |
| 21:05.34 | modeman | mine is not working at all |
| 21:05.45 | modeman | lol i looked, it seems correct |
| 21:05.45 | resiak | mikeeusa: You're trying to get rid of x? |
| 21:05.50 | zOap | i don't know why anyone wanna do a stupid thing like flood a channel. all of us are gonna remember him and never gonna help him nomore.. |
| 21:06.04 | hogballs | resiak, ok ive added like 5 servers to choose from for downloading apt. is there a way to switch servers if its downloading too slow? |
| 21:06.10 | resiak | modeman: You're trying to get rid of x? |
| 21:06.15 | resiak | hogballs: I haven't a smegging clue. |
| 21:06.18 | paulswm | thank you greycat |
| 21:06.43 | modeman | no, to be able to choose which xsystem to run.... |
| 21:06.57 | resiak | modeman: What do you mean? |
| 21:07.03 | resiak | !tell mikeeusa about msg |
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| 21:07.04 | SPF | where can I find the base, on the first cdrom? |
| 21:07.14 | vilko | how can i change screen resolution in debian/gnome? |
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| 21:07.26 | modeman | resiak: well, you can choose to run gnome, wmaker and all that... |
| 21:07.28 | ferris | Delph, seriously.... do you know of a liveCD for debian? |
| 21:07.34 | zOap | modeman, sorry for interfearing, but you wanna choose between xorg and xfree86? Why? |
| 21:07.35 | resiak | modeman: apt-get install gdm |
| 21:07.39 | dvs | vilko: CTRL-ALT-"NUM PAD -" |
| 21:07.45 | modeman | but i don't no wait, i meant the GUI |
| 21:07.48 | resiak | mikeeusa: You're banned because you're a twat. |
| 21:08.05 | zOap | modeman, you mean like gnome kde and so on? |
| 21:08.09 | resiak | mikeeusa: Now stop /msging me. |
| 21:08.12 | dvs | mikeeusa: And ignore the rules of the room |
| 21:08.21 | resiak | !room |
| 21:08.22 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 21:08.28 | dvs | whatever ;-) |
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| 21:08.34 | modeman | zOap: yeah, can't you choose? |
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| 21:08.40 | SPF | dvs, I only need the first cd iso right? |
| 21:08.48 | dvs | SPF: Yup |
| 21:08.49 | resiak | mikeeusa: I KNOW that you're banned. It's you're own damned fault. |
| 21:08.52 | SPF | k, thx |
| 21:08.58 | greycat | resiak: if you've ever seen some of the crap he spews in #freener, you'd understand why I call him a "known troll". |
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| 21:09.02 | modeman | is there a more noob channel out there for people like me lol |
| 21:09.02 | greycat | err, #freenet |
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| 21:09.05 | resiak | greycat: Heh |
| 21:09.10 | greycat | modeman: ##debian |
| 21:09.28 | resiak | mikeeusa: I WON'T HELP YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING TWAT. |
| 21:09.28 | modeman | greycat: ## ? |
| 21:09.34 | resiak | modeman: Come and join us :) |
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| 21:09.35 | dvs | greycat: This channel is not for newbies? |
| 21:09.36 | modeman | easy there |
| 21:09.43 | zOap | modeman, yes, all you do is install the desktop environment you want to choose between, like apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment. You don't have to choose between xservers, if your display is fine, your xserver is fine |
| 21:09.44 | modeman | lol yer kidding! |
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| 21:09.46 | modeman | brt |
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| 21:10.09 | resiak | 21:09 <mikeeusa> I sincerely hope you die |
| 21:10.13 | zOap | modeman, whenever you log into gui you can choose gui in the session tab at login |
| 21:10.18 | greycat | dvs: it's for newbies who can think and read. ##debian is for newbies who can only feel and react. |
| 21:10.20 | resiak | Such a pleasant chappie. |
| 21:10.32 | dvs | greycat: Oh, I C. |
| 21:10.58 | resiak | Oh, shit, I've given Ars Technica more reason to slag us off, haven't I? |
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| 21:11.27 | eliane | Is there a "printer" group in Linux ? And do a user have to be part of a "printer" group to be able to stop or pause of printing process ? |
| 21:11.32 | zOap | modeman, what gui you like best is up to you. do a google: linux gui or linux desktop environment to see some. Or go to kde.org ;; gnome.org ;; xfce.org ;; and so on. |
| 21:11.35 | modeman | zOap: no, all i get is the un and pw field, no other choices |
| 21:11.39 | paulswm | resiak: Ars prolly seek to bolster already formed prejudices, anyway |
| 21:11.55 | modeman | zOap: i have run wmaker and like it alot |
| 21:12.04 | zOap | modeman, what version of deb you use? |
| 21:12.18 | modeman | zOap: but i want to keep my current configuration in KDE, what can i do? |
| 21:12.26 | modeman | u mean kernel ? |
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| 21:13.00 | modeman | zOap: just got 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 21:13.03 | zOap | modeman, no what version. 3.0, testing, unstable, stable |
| 21:13.10 | modeman | from an alsa upgrade =) |
| 21:13.26 | modeman | well, i cheat and change it from stable to unstable, never testing |
| 21:13.36 | resiak | !bobbitt |
| 21:13.36 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 21:13.45 | helix | gravity: btw, I hope you don't mind vegan food |
| 21:13.51 | modeman | zOap: i mean i just edit the sources.list file, apt-get update and look at new sh!t |
| 21:13.54 | gravity | helix: Works for me, although I can't eat mushrooms |
| 21:13.57 | helix | ok |
| 21:14.05 | zOap | modeman, why switch between stable and unstable? thats a long jump. stable, testing, unstable, in that order. |
| 21:14.06 | gravity | helix: "can't" as in "makes me sick" not "don't like" |
| 21:14.16 | modeman | zOap: no testing |
| 21:14.21 | jstevens | dpkg: that's just wrong |
| 21:14.21 | dpkg | jstevens: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 21:14.23 | modeman | zo no need |
| 21:14.25 | jstevens | LOL |
| 21:14.30 | helix | gravity: right, I understand. I'll let the hosts know :) |
| 21:14.40 | resiak | mikeeusa: Yes, I know that you think I f**k uncles. How about a more original insult rather than repeating that one 20 times? |
| 21:14.46 | gravity | Sweet :-) |
| 21:14.48 | PerfDave | I love the contradiction inherent in "vegan food" ;) |
| 21:15.00 | greycat | that's not contradictory |
| 21:15.04 | zOap | modeman, no. stable is the current release. testing is the next stable. unstable is far out there. |
| 21:15.18 | greycat | "tasty vegan food" may be contradictory, though ;-) |
| 21:15.23 | modeman | zOap: oops! misconception there, need to read |
| 21:15.31 | PerfDave | greycat: It depends on whether you consider things with no meat to be food. |
| 21:15.40 | ug_ | oxymoron |
| 21:15.53 | modeman | zOap: lol you learn something new ever'day |
| 21:15.55 | zOap | modeman, so if you you jump between stable and unstable you are making looooong jumps. No wonder you have problems, |
| 21:15.55 | greycat | PerfDave: of course they're food.... for humans, anyway. |
| 21:16.02 | zOap | modeman, hehe, yes |
| 21:16.17 | modeman | zOap: no biggie, its a test box |
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| 21:16.22 | iceman | meat is murder, go #vegan |
| 21:16.34 | gravity | Meat is Murder is a great album |
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| 21:16.39 | modeman | zOap: and i have a ghost backup, no big deal |
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| 21:16.49 | asuffield | go murder. I like my chicken |
| 21:16.53 | zOap | modeman, I would seriously recommend to apt-get upgrade to make all current |
| 21:16.54 | modeman | zOap: so, my runlevel... should i edit it? |
| 21:16.54 | resiak | mikeeusa: Oh, I'm interested: why "uncles"? Why not "sister" or "dog"? |
| 21:16.59 | Shadur | gravity: I can only hope that it was succeeded by "Vegetables are people too!" ? |
| 21:17.03 | modeman | zOap: already done |
| 21:17.04 | ug_ | for every cow you dont eat, i will eat 5 |
| 21:17.15 | zOap | modeman, make shure you edit sources.list to whatever version you would like before you do. |
| 21:17.18 | zOap | modeman, ok |
| 21:17.19 | ug_ | so not eating meat is killing more animals |
| 21:17.26 | modeman | zOap: i;m there |
| 21:17.27 | asuffield | Shadur: more like "I'm not a vegetarian because I like animals, I'm a vegetarian because I fucking hate vegetables" |
| 21:17.34 | Shadur | hehe |
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| 21:17.44 | pngwn | iceman, like you don't kill those plants when you eat them ;) |
| 21:17.54 | PerfDave | greycat: I think we'll have to disagree on that one ;) |
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| 21:18.06 | dvs | How do I close the floating windows in XChat (e.g. Direct Chat, Ban,...) |
| 21:18.07 | iceman | it's ok to eat, cause they don't have any feeelings |
| 21:18.25 | modeman | zOap: updated |
| 21:18.31 | PerfDave | iceman: Are we talking about vegetables or Gentoo users? |
| 21:18.43 | greycat | he said feeelings, not brains. |
| 21:18.43 | ug_ | so if we genetically engeneered animals without feelings, it woul dbe ok |
| 21:18.46 | resiak | PerfDave: What's the difference? |
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| 21:18.54 | iceman | PerfDave: I tried to quote nirvana, but I missed the word "fish" :( |
| 21:18.54 | zOap | modeman, ok. I don't know why you don't have the session tab at login. I really don't. Something has gone along the way, I''m shure. Try to edit the loginmanager, skip the one you have and try some standard shit. See if session tab comes back |
| 21:18.57 | PerfDave | resiak: vegetables have some self-respect. |
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| 21:19.27 | modeman | zOap: loginmanager loation |
| 21:19.27 | illustir | how do I know as what device my Palm connects to my system? |
| 21:19.44 | resiak | PerfDave: Do vegetables bootstrap themselves? |
| 21:19.48 | zOap | modeman, loation? never heard of it. Try to set it to default. |
| 21:20.07 | PerfDave | resiak: No, you need another vegetable or two to make a vegetable. |
| 21:20.22 | paulswm | resiak: well, a potato did :) |
| 21:20.34 | zOap | modeman, some loginmanager skins skips some options, or stack them into one. |
| 21:20.52 | modeman | zOap: got it, 1 sec... |
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| 21:21.05 | kaber1 | hey |
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| 21:21.14 | zOap | modeman, ok |
| 21:21.20 | fabietto | I've got some problems to install the ndiswrapper module... when i try to modprobe it, i get an error message starting with: "/lib/modules/2.4.27/misc/ndiswrapper.o: /lib/modules/2.4.27/misc/ndiswrapper.o: unresolved symbol __udelay" |
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| 21:21.28 | kaber1 | if you do ps -aux | gerp your name.. i'm getting a root sshd: loginname [priv] |
| 21:21.32 | kaber1 | does that mean root is watching my ssh ? |
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| 21:21.46 | zOap | fabietto, what version of deb are you using? |
| 21:22.02 | PerfDave | To enable multi-session stuff in kdm and kde, uncomment lines in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers |
| 21:22.02 | Delph | kaber1: no, it means that the sshd process is being run by root. |
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| 21:22.08 | valdyn_ | fabietto: did you configure your kernel-source or kernel-headers which you compiled ndiswrapper against? Do they fit to your running kernel? |
| 21:22.08 | kaber1 | k. thanks |
| 21:22.16 | Tenniru_ | Um... does anyone know how to disable the trackpad-tap in KDE? |
| 21:22.17 | fabietto | z0ap: i'm using a sarge one |
| 21:22.18 | Delph | kaber1: this is required. However you should NB that root can read your ssh traffic, anyway. |
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| 21:22.26 | fabietto | z0ap: kernel 2.4.27, just compiled |
| 21:22.43 | PerfDave | Why do people compile their own kernels? |
| 21:22.54 | dvs | PerfDave: torture? |
| 21:22.54 | zOap | fabietto, you may have to install kernel-headers or kernel-source. Make shure they match your kernel version. |
| 21:22.56 | Tenniru_ | Where if you tap the trackpad itself it registers as a mouse click? |
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| 21:23.38 | illustir | PerfDave: because stock kernels don't work nicely with udev |
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| 21:23.50 | PerfDave | illustir: This is a reason not to use udev ;) |
| 21:23.58 | modeman | zOap: defaults on... |
| 21:24.06 | valdyn_ | illustir: what makes you think that? i havent experienced that ever |
| 21:24.07 | illustir | PerfDave: like I had a choice in the matter... |
| 21:24.15 | PerfDave | illustir: Somebody put a gun to your head? |
| 21:24.16 | zOap | modeman, did you find session tab now? |
| 21:24.17 | modeman | zOap: i poked around but no sign of those options |
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| 21:24.26 | modeman | sec |
| 21:24.27 | Tenniru_ | Um... |
| 21:24.34 | zOap | modeman, what options/tabs are present? |
| 21:24.34 | modeman | 1 sec |
| 21:24.35 | Tenniru_ | There is a way to disable the trackpad tap, right? |
| 21:24.36 | paulswm | illustir: I have both stock kernels and self-compiled ones which all work OK with udev |
| 21:24.38 | PerfDave | Anyway, you shouldn't need to compile your own kernel for ndiswrapper. module-assistant claims to be able to handle it. |
| 21:25.03 | illustir | is a bug somewhere, if you're ATA HDDs use modular drivers and you have SCSI HDDs things go messy (I'll get the BTS#) |
| 21:25.15 | modeman | zOap: yea theyre there |
| 21:25.18 | paulswm | illustir: Aah. |
| 21:25.23 | stew | Tenniru_: /msg dpkg synaptics. the url in there tells you how to configure the synaptics driver in x |
| 21:25.35 | modeman | zOap: i can log in, set it to default, but i have to log off.... |
| 21:25.39 | PerfDave | illustir: That'll teach you to use SCSI ;) |
| 21:25.42 | modeman | zOap: brb |
| 21:25.46 | zOap | modeman, ok |
| 21:25.51 | benley | anyone know if there's some problem with the nvidia* packages right now? |
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| 21:25.55 | benley | (i.e. the driver not working) |
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| 21:25.59 | illustir | not SCSI really, SATA which seems to be some kind of SCSI |
| 21:26.15 | zOap | benley, it depends. What version of deb? |
| 21:26.17 | illustir | here: http://bugs.debian.org/284170 |
| 21:26.18 | PerfDave | illustir: Oh, nobody needs SATA. |
| 21:26.26 | benley | zOap: using the packages from sid on sarge |
| 21:26.27 | fabietto | z0ap: i probably haven't got the kernel headers... i'm now trying to download them... thank you for your suggest! :-) |
| 21:26.39 | paulswm | I'm staying away from SATA until the support matures |
| 21:26.40 | illustir | I get a 120Gb SATA with my new PC I'm damn well going to use it |
| 21:26.58 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 21:27.18 | illustir | so that was my first ever compiled kernel to get this to work |
| 21:27.46 | azreal | paulswm: i thought SATA was working fine? |
| 21:27.50 | zOap | benley, ok. I think I saw some errors with nvidia drivers when I surfed some forums a while ago. Can't remember what it was though. Do a google and take a look. |
| 21:28.04 | PerfDave | illustir: Then it's your own damn fault for buying hardware with poor support :) |
| 21:28.12 | modeman | zOap: no luck |
| 21:28.20 | modeman | zOap: must be unstable... |
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| 21:28.36 | illustir | yeah well, it caused me some fun |
| 21:28.39 | PerfDave | benley: Have you checked the BTS, if you're using unstable packages? |
| 21:28.39 | zOap | modeman, ok. what tabs are present? Like turn off computer and so on? |
| 21:28.45 | paulswm | azreal: Maybe, but I'll build a box *next* year :) |
| 21:28.50 | illustir | seems the combination isn't too common, so the bug was somewhat rare |
| 21:28.55 | Tenniru_ | Um... the list of compatible laptops doesn't list the one I have. I'm on an Apple iBook. |
| 21:29.23 | modeman | zOap: appearance, font, b-ground, shutdown, users |
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| 21:29.38 | stew | Tenniru_: #debianppc |
| 21:29.43 | Tenniru_ | Okay. |
| 21:29.46 | valdyn_ | Tenniru_: debian works on ibooks, except for airport extreme naturally |
| 21:29.46 | Tenniru_ | Thanks. |
| 21:29.47 | PCPN | could someone please point me towards a definitive document regardinte h differnece between Sid and Sarge, please? |
| 21:30.01 | greycat | PCPN: sid = unstable, sarge = testing |
| 21:30.02 | resiak | PCPN: You want Sarge, if you have to ask. |
| 21:30.10 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 21:30.10 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:30.19 | modeman | zOap: lilo - show bot options? |
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| 21:30.32 | valdyn_ | PCPN: www.debian.org/releases |
| 21:30.34 | PCPN | greycat: Thank you. it is a req from mgmt who has been trying to do their own 'research' |
| 21:30.37 | zOap | modeman, ok. It should be under apperance, I think. But it may have gone down the drain while you switched between unstable and stable. |
| 21:30.49 | zOap | modeman, no, the lilo is not the loginmanager |
| 21:31.02 | zOap | modeman, only what kernel and os which is booting |
| 21:31.06 | PerfDave | The #debian faq is "definitive" in the sense of "riddled with spam"? ;) |
| 21:31.15 | paulswm | PCPN: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 21:31.49 | greycat | PerfDave: not any more. |
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| 21:31.54 | hogballs | how do i restart my oss service? |
| 21:31.58 | modeman | zOap: so what was the setting under appearance? |
| 21:32.01 | greycat | hogballs: there *is* no oss "service". |
| 21:32.01 | apnea | argh I'll kill wget |
| 21:32.02 | zOap | modeman, I'm very sorry but I have to go. They're disconnecting my broadband for the next two hours:( |
| 21:32.02 | hogballs | for some reason it says its in use |
| 21:32.09 | hogballs | ok then |
| 21:32.10 | greycat | hogballs: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 21:32.22 | modeman | zOap: lol that sux! |
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| 21:32.30 | modeman | zOap: thanks for the pointers, peace |
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| 21:32.37 | zOap | modeman, I'm not shure, because it depends of what stacking of options the loginmanager use.. |
| 21:32.43 | [1]SodaPop | Okay I put a startup script for my wifi card called rc.atml. I put it in etc/init.d Now do I just type "update-rc.d"? |
| 21:32.48 | hogballs | debianhog:/home/hogballs# lsof /dev/dsp |
| 21:32.48 | hogballs | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 21:32.48 | hogballs | esd 3747 hogballs 5w CHR 14,3 3227 /dev/dsp |
| 21:32.52 | PerfDave | greycat: Oh, fair enough, I don't bother using it. |
| 21:32.54 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
| 21:32.57 | zOap | modeman, yeah, hope you get it right. I switch gui all the time:) |
| 21:33.01 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: man udate-rc.d |
| 21:33.10 | [1]SodaPop | And then what? |
| 21:33.11 | greycat | dpkg, literal CMD: magic (.*?) |
| 21:33.11 | dpkg | CMD: magic (.*?) is ($1): <action> turns $1 into (a toad|a mushroom|a white dove|a smelly pigeon|a small child|an elephant|a badger) |
| 21:33.13 | paulswm | man update-rc.d, that is |
| 21:33.16 | greycat | dpkg, forget CMD: magic (.*?) |
| 21:33.17 | dpkg | greycat: i forgot CMD: magic (.*?) |
| 21:33.17 | zOap | It's one of the ups with linux:) never bored with looks:) |
| 21:33.20 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
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| 21:33.28 | [1]SodaPop | Then just keep pressing enter? |
| 21:33.35 | hogballs | still in use how do i stop it |
| 21:33.39 | hogballs | please |
| 21:33.43 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: read the manpage |
| 21:33.48 | simonrvn | killall esd |
| 21:33.58 | greycat | hogballs: stop running GNOME, would be the best long-term strategy. |
| 21:34.07 | [1]SodaPop | Okay. I'm an idiot though so I may not be able to make sense of it. |
| 21:34.07 | valdyn_ | hogballs: configure gnome not to start esd, "killall esd" for immediate cure |
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| 21:35.25 | mwilson | Hm... dspam |
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| 21:35.33 | mwilson | Ok, debian, why aren't you packaging dspam |
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| 21:35.46 | hogballs | ok i still later need to figure out how to get my emk401 to work |
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| 21:35.56 | greycat | !FAQ hogballs |
| 21:35.57 | dpkg | hogballs: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:35.57 | bob2 | because it's a massive pain in the arse |
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| 21:36.05 | mwilson | bob2: Is it? |
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| 21:36.12 | farphadet | salut all |
| 21:36.15 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: if this is all new to you, then learn about the boot process first. |
| 21:36.15 | bob2 | (to package) |
| 21:36.21 | mwilson | bob2: Oh. |
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| 21:36.53 | [1]SodaPop | Well I'm just trying to get my wireless card working. |
| 21:36.56 | [1]SodaPop | Then I'll be set for life. |
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| 21:37.09 | Myren | how do i keep /tmp from getting cleared on reboot? |
| 21:37.15 | greycat | Myren: you don't. |
| 21:37.17 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: Why the boot time script? |
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| 21:37.23 | greycat | Myren: stop storing valuable things in /tmp |
| 21:37.25 | simonrvn | edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:37.26 | apnea | Myren: use /var/tmp |
| 21:37.27 | modeman | greycat: thanks for the link! |
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| 21:37.27 | PerfDave | Myren: Why do you want to? |
| 21:37.27 | greycat | use /var/tmp or $HOME |
| 21:37.28 | ldexter | Myren: try using /var/tmp |
| 21:37.31 | Myren | llaaamme |
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| 21:37.38 | apnea | heh |
| 21:37.45 | [1]SodaPop | http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~rbell/WaveBuddy.html |
| 21:37.48 | mwilson | hm |
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| 21:37.49 | Myren | i have my 9 disk raid array on /tmp |
| 21:37.53 | Myren | with a swapfile in it |
| 21:37.53 | [1]SodaPop | That's how this individual got the same card to work. |
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| 21:38.11 | Myren | i doni dont want to keep having to re-add my swapfile |
| 21:38.12 | apnea | fix 271265 or I'll kill wget. |
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| 21:38.38 | ldexter | Myren: move it to /var/tmp |
| 21:38.41 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 271265 |
| 21:38.46 | dpkg | #271265:I[wget] wget blocks on timeout for HTTP Connection: close |
| 21:39.02 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: you know you can specify scripts to execute in the interface config in /etc/network/interfaces (like, pre-up before the interface is brought up, for example? |
| 21:39.04 | apnea | it waits 15 minutes after finishing a dl. |
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| 21:39.10 | dondelelcaro | apnea: why don't you fix it? You've got the source code, the debugger... in fact, you've got everything the developer has |
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| 21:39.22 | apnea | dondelelcaro: you're rgiht |
| 21:39.23 | debiansean | jmi-one amule is nice |
| 21:39.24 | Myren | i'm going to have to --bind mount /var/tmp/tmp to /tmp |
| 21:39.27 | Myren | which is a touch lame |
| 21:39.44 | apnea | except I yet to learn gdb and standard library |
| 21:39.49 | debiansean | how can I clear the ssh key things? |
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| 21:40.07 | debiansean | so it can default back to whatever, and regenerate its keys |
| 21:40.10 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: example from mine which brings up ndiswrapper before the interface is configured:pre-up if grep -q ndiswrapper /proc/modules; then :; else modprobe ndiswrapper; fi |
| 21:40.30 | [1]SodaPop | Eyeyeye. |
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| 21:40.45 | heiner | slightly off-topic: how could I create an implicit (or pattern-matching) rule for the following "Makefile" construct: |
| 21:40.47 | heiner | $(BIN)/prog: $(OBJ)/prog.o $(OBJ)/lib.o |
| 21:40.47 | heiner | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.49 | [1]SodaPop | That's some advanced business. |
| 21:41.34 | fabietto | z0ap: nothing to do! :-( i installed the kernel_headers but the error is the same... |
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| 21:42.01 | Timbo | what's the thingy that takes an autoconfed source ball as input and provides a .deb as output? |
| 21:42.23 | apnea | Timbo: developer |
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| 21:42.37 | apnea | Timbo: checkinstall I suppose |
| 21:43.16 | HammerFall | Somebody know clustering on debian ? |
| 21:43.37 | Timbo | apnea: aha thanks |
| 21:43.47 | fabietto | I've got some problems to install the ndiswrapper module... when i try to modprobe it, i get an error message starting with: "/lib/modules/2.4.27/misc/ndiswrapper.o: /lib/modules/2.4.27/misc/ndiswrapper.o: unresolved symbol __udelay" |
| 21:44.29 | PerfDave | fabietto: Use a kernel-image package and module-assistant. |
| 21:44.35 | snm | how can i finish an instalation with putty, after a disconnect? im logged in under pts/2, but dont know how to go in this terminal. |
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| 21:45.41 | Delph | snm: you go back in time and run "screen" |
| 21:45.44 | fabietto | PerfDave: how can i do that? |
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| 21:46.16 | oyeah | hi everyone |
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| 21:47.25 | snm | thx delph. what do u mean with" go back in time" |
| 21:47.43 | t|zz | is there a way to remove all the nvidia-related files on a system whereseveral versions of the driver are installed and distribution-binaries and nvidia-binaries are mixed togeter. |
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| 21:48.00 | madmax|PN | hello! |
| 21:48.02 | madmax|PN | i need help with X |
| 21:48.07 | madmax|PN | any takers? |
| 21:48.12 | Delph | snm: well, if you're back in time, and you run screen, then do everything inside there, then if you lose your terminal, you can go back and restore the screen. |
| 21:48.15 | PerfDave | fabietto: "apt-cache search kernel-image", install one of them, then install module-assistant and read the documentation. |
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| 21:48.16 | resiak | madmax|PN: Ask a question, and we'll see what we can do. |
| 21:48.18 | paulswm | debiansean: 'cat /dev/null > ~/.ssh/known_hosts' should do the trick |
| 21:48.22 | PerfDave | t|zz: How did you install the nvidia stuff? |
| 21:48.24 | madmax|PN | broadly speaking, I can only startx as root |
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| 21:48.29 | oyeah | Q: about nVidia: synaptic only shows nvidia-kernel-2.4.27 version(s), but i got kernel 2.6 installed. Are there no nvidia-kernel-2.6.x packages ? |
| 21:48.33 | Delph | but since you didn't then you probably can't get hold of the process again. |
| 21:48.37 | PerfDave | madmax|PN: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 21:48.43 | resiak | !tell oyeah about nvidia howto |
| 21:48.45 | apnea | paulswm: > file ? |
| 21:48.50 | PerfDave | oyeah: You don't need the nvidia-kernel packages, you can build your own. "/msg dpkg nvidia" |
| 21:49.03 | apnea | paulswm: it will zero a file too |
| 21:49.27 | apnea | another useless use of cat |
| 21:49.32 | paulswm | apnea: Yes, forgot |
| 21:49.34 | madmax|PN | thanks PerfDave, but I've already done both of those things |
| 21:49.44 | oyeah | PerfDave: i'm a newbie, if i select "nvidia-glx", the nvidia-kernel-2.4.27 is automatically selected |
| 21:49.54 | abli | Hi! I'm using an ADSL line, and I'm trying to set my mtu to 552 to fix some fetchmail socket errors. I tried setting that value in /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider but after a "poff" "pon" I still get lines like: "Couldn't increase MTU to 1500" in syslog, and ifconfig shows mtu is 1492. where should i set the mtu value? |
| 21:50.00 | madmax|PN | i've tried to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:50.00 | t|zz | PerfDave: i installed gentoo's binaries, later i installed gentoo's unstable-binaries (without uninstalling the other ones - did it manually) then i installed several different packages from nvidia, uninstalled it again, but there are still files everywhere |
| 21:50.03 | apnea | paulswm: no you're right it's more understandable for may people |
| 21:50.13 | PerfDave | t|zz: #gentoo if you're using Gentoo. |
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| 21:50.16 | disasm | theres more things you can do with cat and grep than any other basic command I think |
| 21:50.24 | PerfDave | disasm: ls |
| 21:50.34 | gravity | disasm: sed |
| 21:50.35 | PerfDave | madmax|PN: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 21:50.52 | paulswm | disasm: the beauty of Unix design philosophy |
| 21:50.57 | t|zz | PerfDave: i heard about a list with 20 points of locations where files can be - someone told me i should ask in here, the list should be known in #debian |
| 21:51.08 | apnea | sed + sh |
| 21:51.08 | mwilson | man, dspam IS hard to get going |
| 21:51.34 | disasm | ah yeah, ls and sed too ;-) i seem to over look ls a lot, but I think I've used it in 90% of the bash scripts i've written |
| 21:51.50 | PerfDave | t|zz: Never heard of it. In Debian, we use module-assistant to convert the nvidia drivers into .debs which can be cleanly removed using our package management software. |
| 21:52.14 | t|zz | PerfDave: i know about this, but anyway, thanks for your help |
| 21:52.15 | snm | Delph, i think i have to read more about this "screen" command.. but thx anyway for your help. is there another way to finish my installation or should i reinstall debian again. i just installed apache and wanted to apt-get phpmyadmin (with php and mysql) now. |
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| 21:52.25 | juhov | madmax|PN: try taking a look at /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config, or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
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| 21:52.43 | Delph | snm: you've got a working system? |
| 21:52.45 | scarynetworkguy | t|zz: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NewFaq <--- Try the Nvidia section here. |
| 21:52.50 | madmax|PN | PerfDave, md5sum is ok |
| 21:52.51 | Delph | what command were you running before the connection was dropped? |
| 21:52.54 | snm | Delph, yes |
| 21:52.56 | madmax|PN | juhov, i'll give that a go |
| 21:52.57 | paulswm | disasm: you often don't have to use it though, 'xx*' will often do for 'ls xx*' in for loops for instance |
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| 21:53.54 | [1]SodaPop | Yo if I just bought a more mainstream card would I just plug it in and have it work? |
| 21:53.57 | madmax|PN | juhov, didn't help :( |
| 21:54.23 | scarynetworkguy | [1]SodaPop: The first step is to get a nick that doesn't suck. |
| 21:54.29 | madmax|PN | looks like its because I don't have a UK keyboard map installed |
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| 21:54.42 | madmax|PN | algebraist:~/> locate pc/uk |
| 21:54.42 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: If it were in the Linux compatibility list it would be easier, as there would be a kernel module for it |
| 21:54.43 | madmax|PN | algebraist:~/> locate pc/us |
| 21:54.47 | G400 | fabietto:did you manage to compile ndiswrapper from kernel sources? |
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| 21:54.51 | madmax|PN | /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/us |
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| 21:54.55 | disasm | paulswm: i didn't think of that, i use it with sed a lot though, so i ls into a source file and then sed each line number looping through the source text file |
| 21:55.09 | madmax|PN | where can I get the pc/uk symbols file for the keyboard then? |
| 21:55.47 | inc|freaky | hi all. I want to install debian. i downloaded the minimal image, but i live in germany, and i have to use pppoe and not ppp and chap. (well, i guess i have to use chap afaik but anyway) is there any possibility or anyone arround who can explain me how i can use the netinstall image with a provider like t-online? (adsl, pppoe, dialup, no dhcp!) |
| 21:55.57 | [1]SodaPop | Well you see... I'm an idiot. And I don't think I'll EVER be able to get it to work with this card. So I would find it to be worth it to buy a card that I could make work. HOWEVER, if that wouldn't help me much I would just keep this card and put WINDOWS on my laptop. |
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| 21:56.08 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Did you read the Install Manual? |
| 21:56.12 | joaopaulo | i was using apt-setup and my pmcia get over of slot and i lost connect and the apt-setup freeze, when i try to open apt-setup again nothing happens, i already restart de system, somebody can help me ? |
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| 21:56.18 | madmax|PN | although, even changing keyboard map to us still doesn't help it boot |
| 21:56.25 | madmax|PN | gives errors with font renderer |
| 21:56.27 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: where is it? |
| 21:56.27 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: however, I have a Linksys WPC54GS which has an unsupported Broadcom chip which I got going OK with ndiswrapper, although I have yet to successfully get WPA-PSK to work |
| 21:56.32 | juhov | [1]SodaPop: if you like using windows go right ahead |
| 21:56.44 | PerfDave | !i-m |
| 21:56.46 | PerfDave | !ig |
| 21:56.46 | dpkg | it has been said that ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 21:56.48 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: i usually always read if theres something to read ... i dont know if i read it, but if yes i couldnt find any useful information. |
| 21:56.53 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:56.58 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: What is the card? |
| 21:57.01 | [1]SodaPop | Well no I mean I wanted to expand my horizons. But I mean getting onto the internet is important! |
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| 21:57.08 | [1]SodaPop | My card is a WaveBuddy. |
| 21:57.15 | [1]SodaPop | The pcmcia... not the USB. |
| 21:57.31 | paulswm | K, lemme see if I can help |
| 21:57.35 | [1]SodaPop | This is day four of me trying to get on the internet. |
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| 21:57.48 | [1]SodaPop | I might make you pull your hair out with how dumb I am. |
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| 21:58.00 | Delph | it's day four in the #debian house, and SodaPop has a problem |
| 21:58.03 | scarynetworkguy | [1]SodaPop: Wrong attitude. |
| 21:58.16 | scarynetworkguy | !tell [1]SodaPop about smart questions |
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| 21:58.34 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: belive me, not getting a wireless card working is *not* a measure of smarts |
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| 21:58.56 | abli | So, any ideas where should I set the mtu & mru ? |
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| 21:59.01 | scarynetworkguy | [1]SodaPop: Read that, understand it, do what it says. Then come back if you still have questions. |
| 21:59.18 | madmax|PN | anyone have any suggestions? |
| 21:59.25 | disasm | [1]SodaPop: good luck, my boss got some cheap wavebuddy's in for 15 a piece and i haven't had any luck with linux so far |
| 21:59.35 | [1]SodaPop | Doh! |
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| 22:00.12 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch07s02.html#PPP <-- theres only described how i can setup ppp connections but as i said i need pppoe :( isn't there any way? |
| 22:00.27 | [1]SodaPop | !tell [1]SodaPop about smart questions |
| 22:00.29 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: im currently downloading the first, complete CD. is there something like pppoe in the packages? |
| 22:00.41 | drp | how do you set the default printer from the terminal ... I'm wanting to use a printer shared out on a windows network (I've tried using smb4k but to no avail) |
| 22:00.46 | inc|freaky | or would it be best to download the first 3 CDs and hope the pppoe packages are somewhere in those? |
| 22:01.02 | sammiantha | I have debian installed from a knoppix cd - for some unknown reason it is failing fsck during boot. I get the root file system mounted as read only and cannot start kde. Help? |
| 22:01.03 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: what driver are you using |
| 22:01.08 | SquareRt | how would I forward connections to port 443 to port 6667? |
| 22:01.18 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: No idea, I've never used pppoe. |
| 22:01.19 | SquareRt | I had a quick play with DNAT but couldn't work it |
| 22:01.31 | PerfDave | SquareRt: YOu don't have Debian. You have Knoppix. Go talk to #knoppix for your Knoppix problem. |
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| 22:01.50 | disasm | inc|freaky: if you have a working system, why not download the deb for pppoe? |
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| 22:02.00 | tromca02 | is there any good ftp client as debian package that also support ssl? |
| 22:02.07 | SquareRt | perfdave: lol |
| 22:02.07 | PerfDave | tromca02: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:02.18 | PerfDave | SquareRt: Argh, fucksticks |
| 22:02.19 | SquareRt | perfdave: that's a lie lol |
| 22:02.24 | drp | tromca02, use scp |
| 22:02.25 | PerfDave | sammiantha: YOu don't have Debian. You have Knoppix. Go talk to #knoppix for your Knoppix problem. |
| 22:02.33 | sammiantha | okay, thank you |
| 22:02.35 | disasm | inc|freaky: check packages.debian.org for any dependencies |
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| 22:02.41 | SquareRt | perfdave: bwuahah |
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| 22:03.00 | inc|freaky | disasm: and then download the pppoe packages? |
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| 22:03.50 | iceman | tromca02: use lftp |
| 22:03.54 | disasm | inc|freaky: yeah |
| 22:04.04 | ajavid | I am unable to play cd's in xmms. I have the xmms plugins for cd installed. I don't know where to start from to try and get this to work |
| 22:04.07 | disasm | then just use dpkg -i to install the debs |
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| 22:04.55 | inc|freaky | disasm: is there also a way i can look on which CD the pppoe package is? |
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| 22:05.10 | inc|freaky | cuz its a waste of money if i only burn the pppoe packages onto one CD |
| 22:05.13 | ajavid | in the xmms cd plugins config, I have /dev/hdc as the cdrom device, and /cdrom as the directory, it says it can't read the table of contents in the cd |
| 22:05.20 | snm | Delph, sorry i didn't see your question :( before the connection was dropped, i could choose "apache, apache2 or apache ssl". but i dont remember why it asked this. |
| 22:05.38 | Sharcho | Is there a way to compile the kernel the Debian way using tcc? |
| 22:05.55 | inc|freaky | can i download the first, 2 CDs leaving the other 12 ? |
| 22:06.01 | inc|freaky | (i want to install sarge) |
| 22:06.10 | ajavid | inc|freaky, how about a netinst |
| 22:06.22 | ajavid | that way you only download what you need |
| 22:06.42 | inc|freaky | ajavid: thats what im trying to do, but i dont have the pppoe packages ... |
| 22:06.46 | inc|freaky | AHH |
| 22:06.55 | inc|freaky | where can i donwload them, disasm? |
| 22:07.04 | ajavid | dude, I'm trying to get audio cds working under xmms |
| 22:07.04 | Delph | snm: yes, but what command were you running? |
| 22:07.33 | snm | Delph, apt-get install phpmyadmin |
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| 22:07.58 | bONE66er | hello |
| 22:08.01 | Delph | snm: you should be ok to just install it again, i think. |
| 22:08.12 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 22:08.17 | ajavid | it was playing audio cds fine under xmms last month, as far as i recall, i havn't changed any configs or anything, and today, it says it can't read the contents of the cd, even though its the same cd that used to work, plus its fine with no scratches on it either |
| 22:08.36 | Delph | snm: but do yourself a favour, and install screen, then run things from inside that screen: makes life so much easiler. |
| 22:08.41 | ^rob^ | i'm new in debian - how do i apply apt-get kernel patches after install ?? |
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| 22:09.09 | PerfDave | ^rob^: look in /usr/share/doc/kernel-patch* |
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| 22:09.18 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 22:09.18 | PerfDave | ^rob^: If you're a newbie, why are you patching your kernel? |
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| 22:09.39 | paulswm | [1]SodaPop: did you 'apt-get install atmel-firmware' ? |
| 22:09.47 | ^rob^ | i'm new on this distrib - not on Linux - debian is different than other distr. |
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| 22:10.21 | PerfDave | ^rob^: Yeah, Debian has nice kernel-image packages, you shouldn't need to compile or patch kernels except in very rare circumstances. |
| 22:10.31 | ^rob^ | i like it - has slackware mentality and Fbsd like tools - |
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| 22:10.57 | PerfDave | ^rob^: Slackware mentality? Nooo, we like package management ;) |
| 22:11.20 | inc|freaky | umm, if i installed the pppoe packages ... how can i go back to the installation process, continueing the netinstall? |
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| 22:11.22 | cafuego | fbsd tools? Nooo, we like rpecompiled software |
| 22:11.30 | snm | Delph, thank you very much. now it works again. i think the other login was disconnected now. i will install screen after. |
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| 22:11.44 | simonrvn | Delph: and change the default location, there's some exploits that go looking for /phpmyadmin/. |
| 22:11.46 | dEa | what is secure chmod for users in debian server? |
| 22:11.52 | inc|freaky | and, doesnt it anyway try to install ppp stuff, and ask the modem-speed again, |
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| 22:12.06 | ^rob^ | PerfDave: slack has also pkg management - apt like clone |
| 22:12.11 | disasm | inc|freaky: once the network is setup, you can run base-config to get back to the setup dialogue |
| 22:12.14 | PerfDave | ^rob^: Yes, but Debian's works ;) |
| 22:12.22 | ^rob^ | cafuego: i ment - easy tools for config |
| 22:12.23 | inc|freaky | kewl, awkay ;D |
| 22:12.23 | inc|freaky | thx |
| 22:12.30 | dEa | i want all users to have own private shell, whitch chmod i may use |
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| 22:12.41 | darksk1ez | anyone a libtool autoconf expert: libtool: Version mismatch error. This is libtool 1.5a, but the definition of this AC_PROG_LIBTOOL comes from an older release |
| 22:12.41 | Delph | simonrvn: i'm not a great phpmyadmin person. |
| 22:12.49 | Delph | simonrvn: but thanks for the tip. |
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| 22:13.12 | dolphin4 | guys how can I configure again the XF86free-4.conf??? |
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| 22:13.23 | PerfDave | dolphin4: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:13.25 | simonrvn | Delph: that's an apache(2) config option. default location is /phpmyadmin/ on the default server. change that |
| 22:13.26 | paulswm | dEa: your question doesn't make sense. |
| 22:13.38 | dEa | aha ok |
| 22:13.43 | simonrvn | Delph: also make sure to lock the mysqld down |
| 22:13.44 | ixi-deb05 | Hm.. is sarge released already? |
| 22:13.49 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:13.49 | gravity | ixi-deb05: No |
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| 22:13.59 | darksk1ez | ixi-deb05: yes, find it on kazaa |
| 22:13.59 | paulswm | ixi-deb05: /topic |
| 22:14.02 | Delph | simonrvn: lock it down? |
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| 22:14.27 | paulswm | Fuck, well I was trying to help |
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| 22:14.38 | darksk1ez | ixi-deb05: alternatively, no. |
| 22:14.45 | ^rob^ | PerfDave: geez - do i have to patch each file manually ??? |
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| 22:15.06 | peppo | where do I find Debian packages of wxgtk2.4/5 using GTK2? |
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| 22:15.27 | ferris | debian question... My system lost power, and when i rebooted the system I do not have a login.... how can i repair that throught the recovery console/ |
| 22:15.29 | footbarn | What do I put in /etc/network/intefaces so that the ppp0 interface is used? |
| 22:15.33 | simonrvn | Delph: examples: skip-networking in my.cnf, or localhost only, and/or set up an SSL cert for it, and/or block access to the mysqld to everything but the allowed clients |
| 22:15.43 | inc|freaky | is there any way i can find out, if the pppoe and pppoeconf packages are anywhere on the first 3 CDs? |
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| 22:15.56 | smj | Greetings. Can anyone here help me with a cronjob I've got on Debian woody? I've got a file, /etc/cron.d/mirror-caosity.org, and it's contents are: "2 0-23/6 * * * root /usr/local/sbin/caosmirror.sh". This tells me it should run the script /usr/local/sbin/caosmirror.sh every 6 hours. What am I doing wrong? |
| 22:15.59 | Delph | yeah, but that's just a pain =:) |
| 22:16.12 | ixi-deb05 | darksk1ez: ok, I'll send you a copy when get it |
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| 22:16.22 | inc|freaky | Delph: where u talkin to me? |
| 22:16.24 | disasm | inc|freaky: usually anything important to get working is on the first cd |
| 22:16.37 | inc|freaky | disasm: so, do u think pppoe is on it, too? |
| 22:16.51 | disasm | inc|freaky: taking a stab in the dark, i'd say yeah |
| 22:17.02 | disasm | having problems downloading just the packages? |
| 22:17.07 | inc|freaky | awkay, im downloading the first 2 CDs, hopefully its on one of them |
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| 22:18.29 | inc|freaky | `DamN`: im so stupid |
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| 22:18.43 | modeman | anyone catch what i was saying about not getting a choice at kde login? |
| 22:18.50 | modeman | just has username and pw |
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| 22:18.59 | modeman | no other options, not in the kde control center... i am lost |
| 22:19.01 | peppo | where do I find Debian packages of wxgtk2.4/5 using GTK2? |
| 22:19.30 | Delph | inc|freaky: no; i tend to do <<-- that when i talk to a person. |
| 22:20.17 | inc|freaky | nah, i wanted to say "damn, im so stupid", my irc-client just thought i was trying to highlight `DamN` ;) |
| 22:20.33 | peppo | what is libwxgtk2.5.3 built against? |
| 22:20.35 | peppo | gtk2? |
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| 22:20.52 | bob2 | peppo: you can check yourself |
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| 22:20.59 | inc|freaky | bbl, found out that pppoe is allready installed, it just has no support for doing that. |
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| 22:21.32 | modeman | anyone know the file to edit that configures logon choices at startup? |
| 22:21.48 | modeman | i just get kde with nothing else to choose |
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| 22:22.44 | jstevens | modeman: kdm? |
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| 22:22.53 | modeman | er kde |
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| 22:22.57 | modeman | lol sry |
| 22:23.03 | d0t | trying to setup phpbb2, have apache/mysql/phpbb2 setup (used the metapackage phpbb2-conf-mysql) |
| 22:23.06 | kaduk | irc.brasnet.org |
| 22:23.07 | modeman | im holding a one year old |
| 22:23.08 | jstevens | modeman: ... which window manager? |
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| 22:23.16 | jstevens | modeman: kdm, gdm ? |
| 22:23.27 | modeman | just says debian |
| 22:23.28 | d0t | by default, it looks the phpbb site is under /usr/share/phpbb2/site/, but my apache server is under /var/www/ |
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| 22:23.40 | modeman | how can i determine that? |
| 22:23.44 | d0t | what should I do to make php's site available on my apache server? |
| 22:23.48 | si|vercat | whats the default for an lcd-monitor supporting 1280x1024? just by adding the resolution doesn't seem to allow me to actually use the resolutions.. |
| 22:24.07 | jstevens | modeman: what color is the background on the login screen? .. eg, is it colored, or just gray? |
| 22:24.09 | d0t | (just for testing, doesnt need to be 100% secure, just yet) |
| 22:24.14 | modeman | running kde 3.3.2 |
| 22:24.19 | simonrvn | d0t: a) use something else phpbb is a POS b) <VirtualHost> or Alias it. |
| 22:24.26 | modeman | it's grey with red debian at the top |
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| 22:24.37 | d0t | thanks Simonrvn |
| 22:24.41 | jstevens | modeman: that's xdm... you might switch to kdm |
| 22:24.47 | petemc | phpbb gets spammed now too |
| 22:24.49 | simonrvn | d0t: c) "doesn't need to be secure yet" is not a good attitude. |
| 22:24.53 | d0t | what would you suggest for a bulletin board?! |
| 22:24.55 | modeman | ahhh... how so? |
| 22:25.04 | modeman | apt-get install xdm |
| 22:25.05 | d0t | heheheh, its about to be formatted |
| 22:25.05 | modeman | ? |
| 22:25.07 | cafuego | d0t: Just write one; it's easy ;-) |
| 22:25.08 | mwilson | geez, I get into this, now I have to upgrade mysql |
| 22:25.10 | jstevens | modeman: or gdm ... gdm allows you to choose between gnome, kde etc |
| 22:25.16 | modeman | yea i want tha |
| 22:25.28 | d0t | testing it on deb unstable now, and intend to completely redo it before considering it 'production' |
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| 22:25.29 | jstevens | modeman: apt-get install gdm |
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| 22:25.42 | some_dude | i need to add my java path to the path |
| 22:25.45 | some_dude | how can i do that ? |
| 22:25.46 | modeman | noe, if i apt-get it, will ot override the current login screen? |
| 22:25.50 | tarzeau | someone's written pam authentication with c ever? the examples in debian libpam0g-dev are nuts |
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| 22:26.00 | smj | So, anyone see my cronjob question or should I re-ask? |
| 22:26.01 | manduca | I'm having trouble getting sound working with my SoundBlaster Live 5.1 card; I've got the testing distribution with a 2.2 kernel, and I've installed the asla packages, but the configuration program doesn't detect the card. Neither OSS or ASLA modules appear to be loading. Any ideas on what I should do? |
| 22:26.22 | modeman | manduca: alsaconf |
| 22:26.39 | modeman | manduca: whats the error? |
| 22:26.42 | jstevens | modeman: me, if I was switching to gdm, i'd un-install xdm |
| 22:26.42 | some_dude | my alsaconf will not work, but my sound does |
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| 22:27.11 | manduca | "no supported PnP or PCI card found." (scanning for ISA doesn't find a card either) |
| 22:27.20 | jstevens | manduca: how di dyou get 2.2 kernel on Sarge? |
| 22:27.22 | modeman | jstevens: so remove xdm and immediately apt-get gdm? |
| 22:27.24 | cafuego | manduca: Get a newer kernel. |
| 22:27.26 | some_dude | i get the same message |
| 22:27.33 | jstevens | modeman sounds like a plan to me |
| 22:27.34 | cafuego | manduca: Asla on 2.2 is bad idea |
| 22:27.44 | drp | lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-authorized |
| 22:27.46 | cafuego | And so is alsa. |
| 22:27.50 | drp | anyone familiar with that error |
| 22:27.58 | manduca | jstevens: not sure, but I upgraded from a stable CD install |
| 22:28.04 | some_dude | I'm running 2.6.10, and i get no suppored card found |
| 22:28.12 | some_dude | but i have sound |
| 22:28.16 | drp | it asks me for a password on localhost |
| 22:28.27 | jstevens | manduca: I'd go to either 2.4 or 2.6 if I were you... |
| 22:28.35 | cafuego | drp: it wants the root passowrd. |
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| 22:28.47 | cafuego | some_dude: The OSS is loaded and making alsa fail. |
| 22:28.55 | jstevens | manduca: my teststing install is runnign 2.6.8 and alsa is working great |
| 22:29.00 | drp | cafuego, yeah I gave it that and it keeps asking me |
| 22:29.01 | some_dude | i don't have OOS in the kernel |
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| 22:29.31 | some_dude | only the OOS emulator |
| 22:29.31 | simonrvn | OSS |
| 22:29.31 | some_dude | yea |
| 22:29.31 | cafuego | manduca: if you want alsa, go 2.6 (it has it built-in) but be aware you will need various packages that the 2.6 kernels require. |
| 22:29.31 | some_dude | OSS |
| 22:29.41 | PerfDave | !asla |
| 22:29.41 | dpkg | from memory, asla is at http://www.alsa-project.org |
| 22:29.46 | smj | Greetings. Can anyone here help me with a cronjob I've got on Debian woody? I've got a file, /etc/cron.d/mirror-caosity.org, and it's contents are: "2 0-23/6 * * * root /usr/local/sbin/caosmirror.sh". This tells me it should run the script /usr/local/sbin/caosmirror.sh every 6 hours. What am I doing wrong? |
| 22:29.46 | manduca | jstevens: that's what I was thinking I might need to do ... however, I've never switched kernels before ... guess I've got some reading to do. |
| 22:29.55 | jvw | d0t: use the example apache.conf in /etc/phpbb2 |
| 22:30.00 | jvw | d0t: or just read the docs |
| 22:30.01 | jstevens | manduca: just apt-get install it |
| 22:30.07 | jstevens | manduca: then reboot to it |
| 22:30.11 | drp | cafuego, this is the command I'm using /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p optimus -v smb://Blinker/hppsc130 -P /root/optimus.pp |
| 22:30.27 | manduca | jstevens: so there's a package I could get it with without needing to recompile the kernel? |
| 22:30.27 | stew | smj: you can't have a - in the name. read man run-parts |
| 22:30.31 | jstevens | manduca: of course, if you're using lilo you'll need to make sure you update it |
| 22:30.41 | jstevens | manduca: oh yeah |
| 22:30.43 | cafuego | drp: Using cups? |
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| 22:30.50 | drp | cafuego, yes |
| 22:30.58 | cafuego | drp: http://lcoalhost:631/ |
| 22:31.05 | drp | cafuego, although i'm not real familiar with it |
| 22:31.13 | fuat | does anyone know how to add a session to kdm on debian? |
| 22:31.22 | stew | smj: sorry, i mean you cant have a . in the name, - is fine |
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| 22:31.25 | some_dude | so if i use oss, i can't use asla ? |
| 22:31.36 | jstevens | manduca: it's something like "kernel-package-2.6.8-1" |
| 22:31.50 | manduca | cafuego: built in sounds good :) |
| 22:32.00 | mwilson | !find mysql.h |
| 22:32.12 | pook | some_dude, alsa is the replacement for oss |
| 22:32.16 | cafuego | manduca: libmysqlclientXX-dev |
| 22:32.21 | cafuego | mwilson too |
| 22:32.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.h' (6 shown; 26 total): (/usr/share/doc/roundup/doc/mysql.html) in web/roundup ;; (/usr/share/doc/gnade-doc/mysql.html) in doc/gnade-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/cl-sql/html/mysql.html) in devel/cl-sql ;; (/usr/include/postfix/dict_mysql.h) in devel/postfix-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/ref.mysql.html) in doc/phpdoc ;; (/usr/share/wzdftpd/html/backend_mysql.html) in net/wzdftpd. |
| 22:32.31 | manduca | jstevens and cafuego: I'll look into it, thanks. Any pages you could recommend to read up on it? |
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| 22:32.50 | mwilson | cafuego: I know, but dlocate says not. |
| 22:32.54 | ferris | debian question... My system lost power, and when i rebooted the system I do not have a login.... how can i repair that throught the recovery console? |
| 22:33.00 | mwilson | cafuego: So something is messed up on the box, not sure what yet. |
| 22:33.08 | zoid | is there a msn client for console? |
| 22:33.12 | some_dude | alright, if i run alsaconfig, it crashes my gnome sound mixer, and then my flash sound will work, but other wise it will not |
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| 22:33.40 | Delph | zoid: bitlbee; centericq |
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| 22:33.49 | zoid | Delph: cool, thanks |
| 22:33.53 | abli | So, any ideas where should I set the mtu & mru ? (already tried /etc/ppp/options & /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, mtu is still the default one. any other place?) |
| 22:33.56 | some_dude | i can't use oss, and alsa at the same time ? |
| 22:34.01 | modeman | jstevens: lol it was going to kill my xsession if i continued, so i terminated the remove and started the gdm dl |
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| 22:34.11 | Delph | some_dude: no. You can emulate oss with alsa, or alsa with oss. |
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| 22:34.20 | jstevens | modeman: :-) |
| 22:34.23 | mwilson | cafuego: Yeah, it's there, not quite sure why dspam's configure is insisting that it's not. |
| 22:34.30 | some_dude | well i don't have oss in my kernel or as modules |
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| 22:34.37 | pook | some_dude, you need to run either or.... alsa emulates oss when needed |
| 22:34.57 | drp | cafuego, if the printer were offline would it give me those errors |
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| 22:35.02 | Delph | some_dude: you probably have oss emulation in the kernel then. |
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| 22:35.04 | some_dude | I've got alsa, but not oss, but i have the oss emulator |
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| 22:35.19 | pook | then that's all you need...right? |
| 22:35.23 | modeman | jstevens: and i am running unstable version, had to change sources back to unstable from stable, apt-get update and apt-get gdm... |
| 22:35.27 | some_dude | well it's not working |
| 22:35.31 | drp | cafuego, I have the same username/pass problem with CUPS http://local ... |
| 22:35.50 | cafuego | drp: root/rootpassword |
| 22:35.59 | modeman | jstevens: here's the test, logging off... |
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| 22:36.04 | pook | some_dude, tell me this....is your driver working properly but when you play sound nothing comes out? |
| 22:36.10 | some_dude | if i reboot, my shockwave won't make any sound, but if it run alsaconfig it crashes my mixer, and then the sound will play in shockwave |
| 22:36.10 | drp | cafuego, I tried that as well ... no dice |
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| 22:36.48 | mwilson | ah, that's better |
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| 22:37.03 | some_dude | xmms will work, and gnome makes sound, but firefox won't until i run alsaconfig |
| 22:38.10 | smj | stew: Thanks for the feedback. I'll change it. :-) |
| 22:38.24 | some_dude | I'm going to reboot, and see what happens |
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| 22:39.13 | pook | some_dude, have you tried any other mixer like alsamixer and aumix? |
| 22:39.21 | cafuego | drp: ANy chance it's asking for a samba login on Blinker? |
| 22:39.27 | kaiowa | hi, when i tried to install a dvdauthoring i get this errr: DVDStyler requires growisofs (dvd+rw-tools). but i dont found this app with apt- ?anyhelp?? about how to install growisof?? |
| 22:39.54 | PerfDave | kaiowa: Is it not in the dvd+rw-tools package? |
| 22:40.02 | smj | stew: So, it's dying from the .sh at the end, eh? I just dropped it. I hope that's it. I wonder how I missed that little footnote. |
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| 22:40.22 | stew | smj: yup |
| 22:41.22 | si|vercat | lol, my mouse scroll is on the wrong set of buttons again |
| 22:41.45 | smj | stew: Thanks again. :-) |
| 22:41.52 | stew | smj: wait, no |
| 22:42.07 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:42.08 | Peto77 | hi, somehow I dont have /dev/mice could you please help with that? |
| 22:42.09 | stew | smj: its not the .sh, its the file in the cron.d |
| 22:42.17 | smj | stew: oh |
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| 22:42.55 | revenger1 | hmm what'S the difference between hard and soft in limits.conf? |
| 22:42.56 | smj | stew: Done. Let's see if it works now, eh? :-) |
| 22:43.05 | drp | cafuego, I doubt it but would I get an error like that if the printer was offline |
| 22:43.49 | some_dude | alright, i rebooted |
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| 22:43.51 | some_dude | and i have no sound |
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| 22:44.25 | cafuego | drp: No, I don't think so. if the *server* was offline perhaps... |
| 22:44.31 | some_dude | xmms and totem play music |
| 22:44.41 | some_dude | but flash won't |
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| 22:45.16 | teslamike | is there a way to change the gnome window manager? |
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| 22:45.51 | some_dude | now, if i run alsaconfig, it will crash my mixer, and not find any sound card, but then flash will work |
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| 22:46.57 | pook | some_dude, run lsmod and tell me if you have any drivers that start with snd_ |
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| 22:48.02 | some_dude | i have no modules |
| 22:48.09 | some_dude | i put everything in the kernel |
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| 22:48.18 | pook | oh you did? |
| 22:48.29 | some_dude | is that bad ? |
| 22:48.30 | pook | why'd you do that? |
| 22:48.35 | bbenson | ya, seriously |
| 22:48.47 | pook | i dont know..but do modules work fine |
| 22:48.47 | some_dude | i needed like a good idea at the time |
| 22:49.00 | pook | i could help you if you had modules |
| 22:49.09 | pook | otherwise, i dont know |
| 22:49.27 | nSe | what happen if i type: apt-get install * ? |
| 22:49.34 | bbenson | try it. |
| 22:49.36 | bbenson | see what happens |
| 22:49.39 | pook | haha |
| 22:49.48 | nSe | i will, wait a moment... |
| 22:50.09 | pook | bbenson....how evil |
| 22:50.28 | some_dude | so what need to be in the modules ? |
| 22:50.36 | some_dude | just the driver for my sound card |
| 22:51.05 | pook | yah...but what kernel do you have? |
| 22:51.08 | nSe | nothing happened |
| 22:51.13 | some_dude | 2.6.10 |
| 22:51.14 | LoRez | what package has stuffit extractor in it? |
| 22:51.20 | pook | some_dude, yah me too |
| 22:51.24 | bbenson | well now i know more, thanks nse |
| 22:51.26 | pook | alsa is built in |
| 22:51.30 | mathieu_ | nSe, * is expanded to the contents of the current directory |
| 22:51.37 | pook | what driver are you using? |
| 22:51.42 | pook | i mean...what card |
| 22:51.46 | some_dude | cmedia 3878 |
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| 22:52.12 | pook | some_dude, do you have the driver? |
| 22:52.18 | pook | downloaded |
| 22:52.18 | some_dude | yea |
| 22:52.26 | some_dude | it was in the kernel |
| 22:52.30 | pook | oh ok |
| 22:52.35 | nSe | bbenson: you're welcome |
| 22:52.44 | pook | I still had to setup the modules |
| 22:52.52 | some_dude | now all my sound works expect my flash |
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| 22:53.06 | some_dude | and if i run alsaconfig, then it will work |
| 22:53.11 | pook | ooh, your alsa is working then |
| 22:53.18 | some_dude | but it says i can't find a sound card |
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| 22:53.38 | pook | have you run modconf |
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| 22:54.18 | some_dude | i don't have modconf |
| 22:54.35 | nSe | mathieu_: then, what's the string for apt-getting everything avaliable? |
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| 22:54.53 | toresbe | What's the vi command to get to the beginning of a line? |
| 22:55.01 | gravity | toresbe: 0 |
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| 22:55.15 | toresbe | gravity: thankye |
| 22:55.25 | goron | Is it possible to configure my mouse to autoscroll when I press it, and then move my mouse? Thus not, that I only scoll my mouse wheel. The idea is that it keeps on scrolling even after I releaded my mouse. |
| 22:55.37 | pook | torbesbe: www.vilearn.org |
| 22:56.09 | toresbe | pook: I know, just forgot for a second |
| 22:56.24 | disasm | goron: i would say that would be an extension of some sort with the program, whether it be your wm, de, or direct app |
| 22:56.44 | some_dude | ok, now to the REAL problem |
| 22:56.46 | d0t | join #phpbb |
| 22:56.53 | some_dude | i need to add java to my path |
| 22:57.11 | some_dude | i need to add /usr/java/someting/bin to my path |
| 22:57.16 | iceman | export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/java |
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| 22:57.25 | mathieu_ | nSe, er... you shouldn't do that... plain stupid |
| 22:57.48 | some_dude | what's stupid ? |
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| 22:58.22 | goron | disasm: Me too. But in Windows that's standard behaviour in Mozilla Firefox. In Linux (FireFox) it's not. |
| 22:58.23 | some_dude | export will add it, but not after a reboot |
| 22:58.32 | nSe | mathieu_: i wont do that, just wanna know the string, nothing more... |
| 22:58.50 | iceman | some_dude: put it in your shell's startup file |
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| 22:59.08 | some_dude | i can deal with that |
| 22:59.11 | mathieu_ | nSe, it's not even possible: some packages conflict |
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| 23:00.40 | goron | disasm: Never mind that. It's the "autoscrolling" feature of FireFox, and I am using plain Mozilla most of the time. Better change to FireFox. Thanks.. |
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| 23:01.12 | some_dude | wil that affect my gnome session ? |
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| 23:02.02 | G400 | Hmmm, I keep dropping out of the channel... Anyway on MX510 - Would I have to recompile X with evdev support or something? This is what I'me seeing on some google hits. |
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| 23:03.39 | phaedral | anyone using tor and privoxy? |
| 23:03.50 | teslamike | when I start sawfish i get an error saying that authentication was rejected because "none of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host based authentication failed" |
| 23:03.52 | pearl | dules; then :; else |
| 23:03.59 | pearl | lol |
| 23:04.06 | pearl | anybody has typed on my irssi client |
| 23:04.09 | pearl | i think im hackes |
| 23:04.13 | pearl | hacked |
| 23:04.37 | disasm | pearl: what? |
| 23:04.46 | teslamike | how do i change the authentication protocols? |
| 23:05.01 | pearl | disasm: that has stand on my irssi-client |
| 23:05.04 | pearl | and i havent type that |
| 23:05.16 | disasm | pearl: if your irssi client is in a screen, that probly means they have a current ssh session open |
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| 23:05.37 | pearl | hm, is that bad? |
| 23:05.38 | disasm | pearl: check your logs for ssh and see where the connection is coming from |
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| 23:06.04 | disasm | pearl: that's just basic security checks, something weird happens, check the logs |
| 23:06.33 | pearl | kern.log or syslog? |
| 23:07.14 | juhov | most likely it's just an accidental paste |
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| 23:08.00 | ZenithDK | if mutt starts throwing "Could not create temporary file" after me, where do I need to look for a cause? (I sort of broke my Debian last night by using a bunch of ubuntu packages, so I sort of asked for it, will do a reinstall, but need my mail) |
| 23:08.18 | ZenithDK | is it permissions or what? where to look? |
| 23:09.18 | disasm | pearl: auth.log |
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| 23:09.25 | phanter | Hello. I have a server connected with my stereoset. I want to run xmms (wich is installed on it) on my laptop via the network. This worked with some XWin32 thingie in Windblows, but now I want to do this on my brand new linux laptop. How can I do this |
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| 23:10.12 | juhov | phanter: ssh -X servername xmms might work |
| 23:10.14 | ApEtc | phanter: X forwarding through SSH? Or maybe something like a VNC session on the server. |
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| 23:10.42 | phanter | via ssh is my idea... but I'll try that |
| 23:11.14 | The_me | im kinda new to linux and just installed debian. how do i get X up and running? |
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| 23:11.33 | penguin | HOw did you do install? |
| 23:12.07 | ApEtc | phanter: Look into ssh's -f arguement |
| 23:12.09 | FieldySnuts | @do install |
| 23:12.34 | The_me | penguin, floppy boot and then network install |
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| 23:12.42 | penguin | Sarge? |
| 23:12.43 | jcdubacq | hi |
| 23:13.16 | jcdubacq | does anybody know what happens with apt-get -y (assume yes) if a question about a conffile is asked ? |
| 23:13.20 | phanter | Ha it works, just forgot to use the -X option. I knew this... damn I always forget stuff. But thanks you all |
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| 23:13.33 | The_me | sarge? |
| 23:13.40 | jcdubacq | Is the default kept (which is to change nothing) or is the default conffile used instead? |
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| 23:14.00 | penguin | THere are three flavors of Debian, Woody, Sarge and Sid |
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| 23:14.19 | phanter | The_me: did you install an Xserver and a windowmanager? |
| 23:14.21 | penguin | Stable, testing and bleeding edge |
| 23:14.51 | hogballs | what room can i join to get help on getting my sb audigy card to work? |
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| 23:15.38 | The_me | phanter, nope. im gonna try it now though |
| 23:15.56 | teslamike | is there a way to reconfigure the window manager used by gdm? |
| 23:16.07 | TinoW | hogballs: with recent kernel it just works - at least my sb life! |
| 23:16.10 | phanter | How does fstab-sync work? Can I mount partitions with it (I always so it by editting /etc/fstab) |
| 23:17.18 | phanter | The_me: first install XFree or X.org (first can be found by apt-get). Then get Gnome (which I like most) or KDE or some other windowmanager |
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| 23:18.30 | quittt | if I delete my Windows partition in HDA1, am I going to have problems with partition map(like HDA2 become HDA1) |
| 23:18.44 | The_me | phanter, ok thx |
| 23:18.49 | hogballs | mine is an audigy |
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| 23:19.56 | The_me | phanter, hehe, how do i find XFree with apt-get? |
| 23:20.14 | phanter | apt-cache search XFree |
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| 23:20.27 | The_me | ok thanks |
| 23:20.52 | now3d_ | hello, I wonder if someone could tell me why my sata hard disc is setup as /dev/sda .. please? |
| 23:20.54 | hogballs | actually i have the latest kernel but before i had sarge like 2.4.0 so ill try and disable the onboard sound and see if it will take.. be back soon |
| 23:20.58 | paulswm | quittt: no, the partition numbering won't change. |
| 23:21.14 | now3d_ | I am just using default sarge install |
| 23:21.16 | phanter | The_me: use that command and than you will find something like xserver-xfree86 install that package |
| 23:21.22 | FieldySnuts | now3d_: that's how the kernel sees them, as scsi devices. you have no choice |
| 23:21.34 | stew | The_me: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 23:22.01 | now3d_ | FiedlySnuts: Ah, ok. Is it like this for all SATA devices? |
| 23:22.11 | FieldySnuts | yep |
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| 23:22.18 | MaRcIo | hi |
| 23:22.22 | MaRcIo | what is linux? |
| 23:22.29 | now3d_ | FiedlySnuts: k, so not a performance problem? |
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| 23:22.36 | FieldySnuts | nah |
| 23:22.36 | phanter | The_me: you can always find this kind of info in the man pages. Just type "man apt" or "man apt-get" or man "apt-cache" |
| 23:22.43 | now3d_ | MaRclo: a software kernel |
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| 23:22.56 | MaRcIo | joking :D |
| 23:23.03 | The_me | ok, thx for the help, should be fine now :) |
| 23:23.08 | FieldySnuts | @lart MaRcIo |
| 23:23.33 | MaRcIo | how is it going the project to unify all the distros to have common packages? |
| 23:23.34 | phanter | anybody knows about fstab-sync? |
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| 23:23.44 | FieldySnuts | what project? |
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| 23:23.53 | MaRcIo | i dont remember the name |
| 23:24.01 | findme | which word processor is closest to Windows Word ? abiword or openoffice ? |
| 23:24.04 | FieldySnuts | every distro is different, that's not gonna happen |
| 23:24.12 | MaRcIo | i read about it |
| 23:24.13 | some_dude | openoffice |
| 23:24.25 | quittt | findme, openoffice |
| 23:24.29 | now3d_ | FiedlySnuts: will hdparm still work ok on pseudo-scsi sata discs? |
| 23:24.29 | quittt | findme, abiword sux |
| 23:24.33 | findme | some_dude, quittt thanks. |
| 23:24.47 | some_dude | i have both, and i prefer openoffice |
| 23:24.48 | PerfDave | There are various projects to unify Linux stuff, such as LSB and freedesktop.org |
| 23:24.58 | MaRcIo | ok |
| 23:25.04 | MaRcIo | see ya next time |
| 23:25.05 | quittt | openoffice handle much more files |
| 23:25.09 | quittt | and much better |
| 23:25.27 | FieldySnuts | much larger too |
| 23:25.39 | some_dude | my invoice that i wrote in MS office, one day stoped working with office, but it still works with openoffice |
| 23:25.40 | quittt | FieldySnuts, it is a complete office |
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| 23:25.46 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 23:25.49 | quittt | compare MS Office with OpenOffice |
| 23:26.07 | jstevens | OpenOffice is cheaper.... |
| 23:26.12 | some_dude | i edited /etc/profile and added my path |
| 23:26.15 | some_dude | and smaller |
| 23:26.16 | quittt | compare the size! |
| 23:26.17 | some_dude | and slower |
| 23:26.20 | some_dude | and better |
| 23:26.21 | jstevens | LOL |
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| 23:26.35 | phanter | and it does not have grammer check |
| 23:26.51 | FieldySnuts | not a feature misses |
| 23:26.52 | FieldySnuts | missed |
| 23:26.53 | some_dude | i thought i saw a gammer checkr |
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| 23:27.06 | some_dude | if there is not one, give them a week, it will be there |
| 23:27.17 | some_dude | and now to add /usr/java to my path |
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| 23:27.31 | phanter | some_dude: where did you see it? I am waitin for over 3 years now (waiting and using of course ;-) ) |
| 23:27.31 | some_dude | i can export path, but that an temp solution |
| 23:27.37 | robertg | ;p |
| 23:27.49 | some_dude | i was using 1/14 |
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| 23:27.51 | findme | some_dude, put it in .profile |
| 23:27.51 | some_dude | is something |
| 23:27.59 | cafuego | robertg: c++ is for weenies that can't handle C. |
| 23:27.59 | dopeman | hi e-body |
| 23:28.05 | some_dude | i edited /etc/profile |
| 23:28.10 | PerfDave | C is for weenies that can't handle ASM. |
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| 23:28.18 | robertg | cafuego, LOL |
| 23:28.23 | cafuego | ASM is for weenies that need a computer |
| 23:28.26 | robertg | C++ != C |
| 23:28.38 | cafuego | robertg: I know. bad != good |
| 23:29.08 | humbolt | is it possible to use the gnome-volume manager under kde? |
| 23:29.12 | PerfDave | cafuego: No, ASM is for weenies that can't short rails on the mobo quickly enough. |
| 23:29.15 | PerfDave | humbolt: Yes |
| 23:29.26 | robertg | PerfDave, lmao |
| 23:29.35 | cafuego | PerfDave: I can just handle cgi requetss in my head, dunno about your slackers... |
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| 23:29.54 | cafuego | Seems a bit week to require a computer for it |
| 23:29.58 | robertg | seriously though |
| 23:29.58 | cafuego | weak too |
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| 23:30.05 | robertg | i wonder if people use C/C++ for real web apps |
| 23:30.06 | robertg | in CGI |
| 23:30.15 | FieldySnuts | the dumb ones do |
| 23:30.22 | PerfDave | cafuego: Well, I've got Cat-5 jammed up my arse, and I shit HTTP. |
| 23:30.23 | cafuego | robertg: Not much these days, but i used to, before PHP existed. |
| 23:30.25 | FieldySnuts | that is to say |
| 23:30.30 | now3d_ | I get "Timing buffered disk reads: 182 MB in 3.01 seconds = 60.45 MB/sec" Could someone tell me what they get from hdparm -tT /dev/sda please? |
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| 23:30.40 | robertg | cafuego, haha |
| 23:30.45 | robertg | C/C++ are faster |
| 23:30.45 | robertg | :P |
| 23:30.48 | robertg | why not use 'em |
| 23:30.52 | robertg | plus you get to use C++ |
| 23:30.55 | FieldySnuts | please hit enter less |
| 23:31.02 | robertg | sorry |
| 23:31.09 | cafuego | robertg: They're not fatser, they need to be loaded into ram, whereas mod_php4 is alreadyu loaded. |
| 23:31.22 | PerfDave | My uncle wrote his online shopping site CGI scripts in C++ |
| 23:31.25 | robertg | yes, but they're compiled |
| 23:31.31 | some_dude | i had a l instead of a 1 |
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| 23:31.39 | robertg | php has to be compiled every time it's requested |
| 23:31.41 | cafuego | robertg: So is Java. Are you going to tell me THAT is faster too? |
| 23:31.43 | robertg | for large-scale applications |
| 23:31.50 | robertg | C++ is |
| 23:32.04 | robertg | cafuego, actually I think it is |
| 23:32.10 | cafuego | robertg: So you run the zend optimiser, which caches the compiled php. *shrug* |
| 23:32.19 | robertg | maybe not testing it on your home server by yourself :P |
| 23:32.27 | thomas_adam | heh: http://internet.ls-la.net/pictures/images/Computer/Gates-Evolution.jpg |
| 23:32.32 | PerfDave | mod_php would be pretty lame if it didn't cache bytecode. |
| 23:32.42 | cafuego | Why use a convoluted shit API when something simple does an equally good job? |
| 23:32.43 | humbolt | PerfDave: how? |
| 23:32.51 | Withdraw | in ethereal what is the syntax to filter out only rip packets? |
| 23:32.57 | bucky | once a cgi is run once isnt it stored in memory? |
| 23:32.57 | PerfDave | humbolt: In the same way that mod_perl does ;) |
| 23:33.05 | robertg | Python owns |
| 23:33.07 | cafuego | ANyway, your preferences of coding language are hardly topical here. |
| 23:33.22 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a language war |
| 23:33.28 | humbolt | PerfDave: what are you talking about? |
| 23:33.32 | humbolt | rewriting? |
| 23:33.35 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test |
| 23:33.38 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
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| 23:33.44 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: botsnack |
| 23:33.45 | robertg | no one else likes Python here?! |
| 23:33.47 | robertg | wow |
| 23:33.55 | FieldySnuts | nope |
| 23:33.57 | PerfDave | humbolt: No, I'm talking about caching bytecode before execution, to save re-parsing PHP and Perl files. |
| 23:34.06 | PerfDave | Python has no friends. It is Billy No-Mates. |
| 23:34.17 | cafuego | Scott-no-Friends |
| 23:34.19 | robertg | PerfDave, uhh |
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| 23:34.30 | robertg | and I'm guessing you haven't used it |
| 23:34.43 | FieldySnuts | incoming troll. permission to fire? |
| 23:34.48 | dopeman | i'd like some advice on deb distro |
| 23:34.49 | FieldySnuts | target aquired |
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| 23:34.53 | cafuego | robertg: Are you trolling for a reason? |
| 23:35.09 | PerfDave | robertg: I've used Python. I've even patched other people's Python code. |
| 23:35.17 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: i'm sorry |
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| 23:35.20 | robertg | and you don't like it? |
| 23:35.41 | PerfDave | robertg: Let's just say that it didn't convince me to give up Perl. |
| 23:35.48 | robertg | ah |
| 23:35.50 | dopeman | which debian should i choose for a 1st round |
| 23:35.52 | dopeman | ? |
| 23:35.56 | robertg | sarge |
| 23:36.00 | humbolt | PerfDave: I am afraid you did mix up questions! |
| 23:36.03 | PerfDave | dopeman: What do you want it for? |
| 23:36.08 | cafuego | dopeman: Server or desktop? |
| 23:36.11 | robertg | PerfDave, well I really like it, but to each his own |
| 23:36.23 | distempr | I generally have tech-based questions :) though, I'm looking for an accounting solution for a client. Is there anything out there that anyone would know that natively runs in linux? |
| 23:36.25 | dopeman | i want for multimedia |
| 23:36.32 | cafuego | dopeman: sarge it is, then. |
| 23:36.32 | dopeman | and desktop use |
| 23:36.36 | PerfDave | distempr: Doom 3? |
| 23:36.50 | robertg | woody sucks... i remember i got that when i didn't know anything about linux |
| 23:36.55 | distempr | PerfDave: heh purrrfect. *boom* "pwnt!" |
| 23:36.56 | robertg | it gave me apache 1.3.22 :/ |
| 23:36.59 | PerfDave | dopeman: Sarge has modern apps, and an easy installer. Woody has old software and a slightly less easy installer, but has security updates. |
| 23:37.01 | distempr | Excellent accounting ;) |
| 23:37.03 | FieldySnuts | ok. definately a troll. |
| 23:37.12 | cafuego | !ops robertg is trolling |
| 23:37.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: robertg is trolling |
| 23:37.14 | robertg | FieldySnuts, what are you talking about? How am I trolling? |
| 23:37.15 | dopeman | well, i'm on ubuntu and i heard it was deb related.. |
| 23:37.15 | PerfDave | distempr: GNUCash runs under Linux and nothing else. |
| 23:37.19 | robertg | how am I trolling?! |
| 23:37.22 | robertg | i don't get this |
| 23:37.24 | cafuego | dopeman: It is. |
| 23:37.39 | PerfDave | dopeman: Ubuntu is based on Debian, but is not Debian, and not supported on #debian. And not well supported on #ubuntu, really. |
| 23:37.42 | cafuego | robertg: "You like shit languages, the ones I use are better" "woody is shit" |
| 23:37.44 | distempr | PerfDave: meh... seriously? |
| 23:37.55 | robertg | cafuego, uhh |
| 23:37.57 | robertg | please quote me on those |
| 23:37.58 | PerfDave | distempr: I'm not aware of non-Linux ports of GNUCash. |
| 23:37.59 | robertg | dumbass |
| 23:38.03 | cafuego | robertg: I just did. |
| 23:38.06 | FieldySnuts | go away, troll |
| 23:38.06 | robertg | uhh |
| 23:38.14 | robertg | i never said "you like shit languages" |
| 23:38.18 | robertg | in fact... |
| 23:38.23 | FieldySnuts | we have enough trolls like sussudio and myself here |
| 23:38.23 | distempr | PerfDave: heh I wouldn't be looking for non-linux. I just want an accounting system for linux. |
| 23:38.26 | dopeman | but what advantages on ginuwine deb ? |
| 23:38.28 | FieldySnuts | quit cramping in our space |
| 23:38.35 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: heh |
| 23:38.44 | robertg | robertg PerfDave, well I really like it, but to each his own |
| 23:38.50 | cafuego | dopeman: Honestly, for a desktop box, if you prefer Gnome, go Ubuntu. |
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| 23:39.00 | robertg | please quote me factually next time |
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| 23:39.03 | dopeman | i prefer gnome |
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| 23:39.03 | phanter | how could I automount some partition in fstab (just forgot again!) |
| 23:39.04 | FieldySnuts | robertg: stfu already |
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| 23:39.21 | FieldySnuts | "automount", as in mount at boot? |
| 23:39.40 | distempr | FieldySnuts: how often do the nuts really get "fielded"? ;0 |
| 23:39.43 | phanter | hey... gnome works perfectly on Debian... why Ubuntu? |
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| 23:40.09 | dopeman | you mean there is no gnome on deb ? |
| 23:40.18 | phanter | FieldySnuts: euh yes as in boo |
| 23:40.21 | PerfDave | distempr: You could do worse than to look at Gnucash then. http://www.gnucash.org/ |
| 23:40.21 | phanter | t |
| 23:40.22 | hogballs | gnome came with my deb |
| 23:40.24 | PerfDave | Debian has Gnome. |
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| 23:40.31 | cafuego | dopeman: There is, but I find the Ubuntu one to be better integrated. |
| 23:40.33 | PerfDave | Ubuntu has KDE, but it's not well supported. |
| 23:40.52 | distempr | PerfDave: looking, thanks. Man I see crackpack has "linux" support via wine.. how pointless. |
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| 23:40.55 | phanter | Ubuntu is not well supported (yet ?!?) |
| 23:40.56 | cafuego | dopeman: ... and more up-to-date. Their release cycle is gnome-driven. |
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| 23:41.03 | shingouz | hmm... did someone make my client join #ubuntu while i was away? |
| 23:41.15 | FieldySnuts | shingouz: i'm wondring the same thing, considering leaving temporarily till it goes away |
| 23:41.17 | PerfDave | Ubuntu is oriented around Gnome and desktop stuff, at the expense of stability and non-Gnome applications. Since I can't fucking stand Gnome, I'll stick with Debian. |
| 23:41.21 | hogballs | anyone know how to find out the steps in finding my soundcard name so i can troubleshoot it? |
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| 23:41.31 | hogballs | disabling the onboard sound worked half way |
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| 23:41.41 | cafuego | PerfDave: Pff. I bet you run a C++ based python desktop. |
| 23:41.43 | PerfDave | OTOH, Gnome on Debian is perfectly usable, and I can't really see much advantage to Ubuntu. |
| 23:41.55 | some_dude | alright, I've added the path to my /etc/profile, and rebooted |
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| 23:42.09 | phanter | how could I automount some partition in fstab at boottime (just forgot again!) |
| 23:42.14 | PerfDave | cafuego: Desktop? Desktop? I use console-mode only, with little solenoids that tap braille patterns directly onto my eyelids. |
| 23:42.20 | PerfDave | phanter: man fstab |
| 23:42.42 | cafuego | PerfDave: You crusty old person, you! |
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| 23:43.00 | PerfDave | cafuego: I swear, curses-based stuff is hard ;) |
| 23:43.01 | cafuego | PerfDave: if you adapted a dot-matrix you could improve read speed quite a bit. |
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| 23:44.18 | cafuego | So yes, ubuntu can be a excellent. |
| 23:44.35 | _rene_ | can. if you exchange it ;-) |
| 23:44.59 | cafuego | _rene_: Shut up, I'm trolling FieldySnuts, not you. |
| 23:45.12 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: heh. |
| 23:45.25 | FieldySnuts | @spank cafuego |
| 23:45.32 | FieldySnuts | damnit ravenbird |
| 23:45.38 | jstevens | hogballs: lspci should list your soundcard |
| 23:45.42 | some_dude | ok, what's the best way to add somethin to my path |
| 23:45.51 | shingouz | !ubuntusmite cafuego |
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| 23:46.00 | _rene_ | cafuego: uh? what does ubuntu do different? |
| 23:46.06 | some_dude | i download sun's java and now i need to add it to my path |
| 23:46.07 | shingouz | hm... FieldySnuts, we definitely need such a smite here |
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| 23:46.17 | _rene_ | cafuego: just a interested question... |
| 23:46.30 | some_dude | i added it to my /etc/profile, but it's not working |
| 23:46.36 | cafuego | _rene_: Has additional software (ported across) and (importantly) it's not hosted on a broken alioth server that is down half the time ;-) |
| 23:47.02 | _rene_ | cafuego: you mean OOo? OOo isn't ported. it's the 32bit stuff which extraordinant hacks |
| 23:47.09 | siimo | some_dude, might have to run 'bash' or logout and log back in |
| 23:47.09 | _rene_ | cafuego: you can do the same on Debian |
| 23:47.17 | cafuego | _rene_: No, I don't mean OOo. That runs in a chroot. |
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| 23:47.22 | some_dude | siimo |
| 23:47.27 | some_dude | rebooted |
| 23:47.31 | dgc | some_dude: or source it |
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| 23:47.33 | some_dude | I've rebooted since then |
| 23:47.40 | some_dude | source it ? |
| 23:47.45 | dgc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:47.48 | dgc | in bash |
| 23:47.55 | _rene_ | nd even 2.0 beta won't have proper 64 bit support ;( |
| 23:47.56 | cafuego | _rene_: There was a time when alioth was So unstable for a couple of weeks I couldn't access any updates (or new software) so I decided to cross-migrate to something my ISP mirrors. |
| 23:48.00 | some_dude | i don't have source |
| 23:48.19 | some_dude | like source /etc/profile |
| 23:48.19 | cafuego | s/for/, that for/ |
| 23:48.26 | _rene_ | cafuego: yeah, alioth is a bit of a problem, yes. or was. or whatever |
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| 23:48.39 | now3d_ | bye |
| 23:48.46 | dgc | some_dude: in bash it's the "." function |
| 23:48.49 | cafuego | _rene_: Since I run Gnome on the dekstop anyway... |
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| 23:49.00 | some_dude | what's source do ? |
| 23:49.03 | cafuego | I do still have a sid 32bit chroot |
| 23:49.03 | dgc | solemnwarning__: bash$ . /etc/profile |
| 23:49.13 | dgc | oops |
| 23:49.14 | _rene_ | cafuego: ok, continue trolling :) |
| 23:49.15 | cafuego | and a sarge one too, i think :-) |
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| 23:49.19 | PerfDave | Are the rumours I've heard about OOo 2 requiring Java true? |
| 23:49.30 | _rene_ | PerfDave: yes and no |
| 23:49.41 | _rene_ | 1.1.x also does for some filters or so |
| 23:49.48 | cafuego | _rene_: hey, you asked. |
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| 23:50.07 | dopeman | ok |
| 23:50.08 | _rene_ | cafuego: hey, I referred to your initial statement :) |
| 23:50.14 | PerfDave | OOo requiring non-Free Java would make packaging it for Debian a massive PITA. |
| 23:50.19 | _rene_ | they added MORE Java stuff in 2.0, though for Javascript and hsqldb and scriptiong and so on |
| 23:50.29 | dopeman | they said they work on gnome @ ubuntu |
| 23:50.29 | PerfDave | Bah, stupid Java. |
| 23:50.32 | cafuego | _rene_: "Please point at the line and column number where you explicitly said so" |
| 23:50.34 | _rene_ | AND: the help is now "compiled" using Java |
| 23:50.44 | _rene_ | no Java -> no help |
| 23:50.51 | PerfDave | _rene_: Well that's just shit. |
| 23:50.56 | dopeman | but they got the same problem as fc3 |
| 23:50.59 | _rene_ | it is. tell that SUn |
| 23:51.08 | dopeman | and bullshit i tested |
| 23:51.16 | cafuego | PerfDave: Not really, make-kpkg works fine. It just needs to be scripted to use wget to fetch a .run file. |
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| 23:51.25 | _rene_ | fortunately, most of the java crap works with gcj-4.0 |
| 23:51.25 | hogballs | jstevens, did you use to work at radio shack? |
| 23:51.28 | PerfDave | cafuego: What's make-kpkg got to do with this? |
| 23:51.34 | cafuego | PerfDave: The CHM one can probably run in wine. |
| 23:51.42 | cafuego | PerfDave: I meant 'make-jpkg' |
| 23:51.53 | PerfDave | cafuego: Yeah, but what if you don't want to run non-Free Java? |
| 23:51.54 | jstevens | hogballs: nope,.. why did you ask (I fear a corny andwer coming up) |
| 23:52.02 | _rene_ | but not all (hsqldb, rhino, swing shit, awt shit,..) |
| 23:52.04 | PerfDave | OOo 2 will have to go into contrib ;) |
| 23:52.10 | _rene_ | sun.* classes |
| 23:52.14 | cafuego | PerfDave: Then you don't use OOo help, eh. |
| 23:52.18 | _rene_ | PerfDave: no. we can still disable java |
| 23:52.25 | _rene_ | PerfDave: help is not essential |
| 23:52.30 | FieldySnuts | fucking java. |
| 23:52.37 | _rene_ | PerfDave: we did disable java in 1.1.x also |
| 23:52.40 | peetah | man |
| 23:52.45 | peetah | whatsup with the mirrors |
| 23:52.50 | hogballs | jstevens, just wondering... anyway i wonder how to like make my sb audigy work right. its like loaded but no sound will play .. says no dev found |
| 23:52.50 | peetah | only 1,5mb /sec |
| 23:52.51 | PerfDave | _rene_: Help is pretty fucking essential to deploy OOo to users. |
| 23:52.54 | cafuego | OOo should use python or c++ for a help file parser |
| 23:53.00 | cafuego | it's MUCH faster for CGI |
| 23:53.03 | _rene_ | PerfDave: yes, but then the help is in contrib |
| 23:53.05 | PerfDave | Hell, I read the help in OOo all the damn time. |
| 23:53.06 | _rene_ | not the main OOo |
| 23:53.11 | _rene_ | you can do some tricks |
| 23:53.31 | _rene_ | I think we'll look for some trick if the times comes |
| 23:53.40 | PerfDave | _rene_: But I still can't have help without Java, so if I don't want Java I can't use OOo, because it's pretty impossible even for experienced office suite users to use without the help. |
| 23:53.48 | _rene_ | and as I said, the most important stuff already works with gcj-4.0 |
| 23:53.53 | dopeman | why do these dudes always forget about mp3 ? |
| 23:54.06 | jstevens | hogballs: :-) ... sounds like an issue I was having w/ my laptop... I'm jsut not sure how my issue relates to yours... |
| 23:54.07 | FieldySnuts | because mp3 sucks |
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| 23:54.16 | _rene_ | if we could build with gcj-4.0 when the libgcc1 issue sorted out we can build with-Java at least the most parts |
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| 23:54.29 | _rene_ | so then you get help, the XSLT filters, etc |
| 23:54.34 | PerfDave | Ah well, I'm off to bed, it's nearly midnight. I'll look at Abiword in the morning. |
| 23:54.48 | FieldySnuts | i'm tryin to write a sed string to replace onclick="location.href=' with nothing. sed -e 's/onclick=\"location.href=\'//g' just leaves me with > so i'm missing something there, what'd i forget to escape? |
| 23:54.57 | _rene_ | 1.1.x still has help not requiring Java. and that won't change |
| 23:54.59 | cafuego | PerfDave: That's fast, not can't quite handle compex office files. |
| 23:55.15 | _rene_ | what's missing in 1.1.x is just some filters and one/two autpilots |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: leaves you with > where? |
| 23:55.40 | jstevens | hogballs: you might try putting the module for the card in /etc/modules and reboot ?? |
| 23:55.43 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: bash. |
| 23:55.45 | _rene_ | and of course the ability to embed Java applets(sic!) or the OOo Java API Bindings |
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| 23:56.05 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i.e. the shell is interpreting something that I don't want it to |
| 23:56.06 | shingouz | hogballs: try modconf |
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| 23:56.25 | robertg | hello godsmoke |
| 23:56.27 | _rene_ | robertg: why not. can do. cgis can be everything |
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| 23:56.30 | _rene_ | ;) |
| 23:56.32 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: why isn't the second " there? |
| 23:56.36 | robertg | _rene_, haha, i should ::p |
| 23:56.50 | jstevens | hogballs: ALSA=Y/N && WH/ kernel? |
| 23:56.59 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: because after that point, i want what is there |
| 23:57.03 | peetah | do i need to download http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/woody-i386-1.raw when using the mini-cd debian installation? |
| 23:57.06 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: that is to say, before the close |
| 23:57.10 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: oh ok |
| 23:57.19 | godsmoke | hello robertg |
| 23:57.20 | _rene_ | cafuego: btw, I referred to: |
| 23:57.21 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i'm thinking telling awk it's delimiter is " ' " might be better. |
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| 23:57.23 | _rene_ | cafuego: 00:44 < cafuego> _rene_: Shut up, I'm trolling FieldySnuts, not you. |
| 23:57.24 | robertg | :) |
| 23:57.27 | _rene_ | ;-) |
| 23:57.34 | robertg | pretty original name eh godless |
| 23:57.36 | robertg | *godsmoke |
| 23:57.43 | godsmoke | heh |
| 23:58.18 | bucky | like godsmack |
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| 23:58.31 | robertg | :p |
| 23:58.35 | robertg | well |
| 23:58.39 | FieldySnuts | grep "location.href='" index.html\?v\=l | grep jpe | awk '{print $6}' | awk -F \' '{print $2}' |
| 23:58.40 | robertg | i was actually talking about mine |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's possible |
| 23:58.43 | FieldySnuts | bam got what i wanted |
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| 23:59.28 | FieldySnuts | now i just have to prepend some text onto it |
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| 23:59.48 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: just escaped everything but [a-z] .. same error :) |
| 23:59.56 | FieldySnuts | yeah that's annoying |
