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| 00:00.18 | Blissex | roo9: perhaps you have to suffix the name of the 'mail' directory with a "/" |
| 00:00.27 | cafuego | kuonSama: You need libncurses5-dev (what are you compiling anyway?) |
| 00:00.48 | kuonSama | asterisk |
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| 00:01.07 | kuonSama | ho yes that the package I was seeking |
| 00:01.09 | kuonSama | thanks |
| 00:01.11 | Agrajag- | bucky: no, /dev/cdrom -> /dev/cdrom0 -> /dev/hda and /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdc |
| 00:01.16 | Agrajag- | which is messed up.. |
| 00:01.25 | Empty | Agrajag-, how can I tell which display a user is on? "who" for example gives me :15 next to the UN, but exporting DISPLAY=:15 no worky, nor does :0.15 :15.0 |
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| 00:01.36 | Agrajag- | Empty: hmm im not sure |
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| 00:01.44 | Empty | Agrajag-, FWIW its a thinclient server |
| 00:01.52 | Empty | Agrajag-, OK, thanks anyway :) |
| 00:01.55 | Meisterc | Hello |
| 00:01.57 | cafuego | Empty: You're assuming said user is allowing someone else to connect to their X session. |
| 00:01.58 | roo9 | perfDave: apple's mail. that would make sense, but it doesn't happen all the time. |
| 00:02.03 | roo9 | blissex: i can try that |
| 00:02.21 | Meisterc | How can I make changes in resolv.conf permanent ? |
| 00:02.37 | Blissex | Meisterc: you tell your PPP daemon not to overwrite it... |
| 00:02.38 | cafuego | Meisterc: save it, chattr +i it. |
| 00:02.38 | Empty | cafuego, I am root |
| 00:02.42 | jetscreamer | get rid of pump or whatever |
| 00:02.46 | cafuego | Empty: Yes, and? |
| 00:03.00 | FieldySnuts | tell your DHCP client not to overrwrite it (man dhcp-client-name) |
| 00:03.00 | cafuego | Empty: Xauth wouldn't care if you were god.. |
| 00:03.05 | Empty | cafuego, thought there'd be some shiningly splendid way to just Make It Happen |
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| 00:03.12 | Meisterc | kew |
| 00:03.24 | roo9 | blissex: that worked! |
| 00:03.27 | Meisterc | I will try one of the above |
| 00:03.28 | jarango | When compiling a 2.6 kernel a .config file I already have, is it required to execute "make config" or can I just copy the .config file and do "make" right away ? |
| 00:03.32 | cafuego | Empty: ln -sf ~user/.Xauth* /root/; export DISPLAY |
| 00:03.48 | Meisterc | Blissex: I'm cabel |
| 00:03.52 | Meisterc | not PPP |
| 00:03.54 | cafuego | jarango: It's recommended to run 'make oldconfig' first. |
| 00:03.54 | baronsamedi | jarango, i'd do "make oldconfig" just in case |
| 00:04.21 | Empty | cafuego, would "su -l" to their username work? |
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| 00:04.31 | Zero_Dogg | Can anyone point me to a webpage showing which services actually need their udp ports open, /etc/services lists udp for all services I believe |
| 00:04.39 | Blissex | Meisterc: then its the DHCP that you need to change, as someone said. |
| 00:04.40 | PerfDave | jarango: use make-kpkg rather than make. |
| 00:04.43 | dipnlik | hello all! i ran apt-setup and instead of the cute blue menu screen, it showed me some options to choose with numbers. what do i need to run to configure my system to use the old menus? |
| 00:04.46 | Meisterc | yup yup |
| 00:04.47 | cafuego | Empty: I know of an easy way to find out... |
| 00:04.57 | Empty | cafuego, want to script this eventually and I'd rather it not be making funky root-run symlinks... |
| 00:05.29 | jarango | thanks |
| 00:05.43 | Empty | cafuego, looks like not, sorry for being a lazy ass |
| 00:05.46 | jetscreamer | dipnlik, maybe grub-install |
| 00:05.49 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 00:06.01 | jetscreamer | or grub-update |
| 00:06.08 | dipnlik | jetscreamer: probably not, it doesn't have to do with grub |
| 00:06.09 | cafuego | Empty: set DISPLAY first, then use su -l (NOT su -) |
| 00:06.26 | jetscreamer | oh.. doh then. |
| 00:06.32 | jetscreamer | you said blue :) |
| 00:06.37 | cafuego | Empty: You can always kill their X session if you want their attention ;-) |
| 00:06.50 | dipnlik | jetscreamer: i remember selecting something like this on an aptitude upgrade, but i don't know exactly what package needs to be reconfigured |
| 00:07.17 | jarango | Does any one know a good tutorial on how to write modules for 2.6 ? I've always placed my code right into the kernel and I would like to learn how to modularize it ala 2.6 |
| 00:07.19 | Empty | cafuego, Yeah I caught that, was thinking "-l" for login shell... And it looks like if I set the display the .Xauth works right for me.. awesome |
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| 00:10.05 | shastry | i want to install debian unstable |
| 00:10.09 | shastry | i want to keep working on my current distro while fetching the packages |
| 00:10.12 | Empty | cafuego, I am wanting to implement a push-type system status page for all tech support staff at $dayjob who are logged in on thinclients |
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| 00:10.17 | shastry | because i'm on dialup |
| 00:10.25 | shastry | what iso is suggested ? |
| 00:10.38 | Empty | cafuego, it's hard enough to get them to take notes on WTF they do without killing their sessions ;) |
| 00:10.48 | Empty | shastry: use the netinst |
| 00:10.56 | cafuego | Oh dear, MS are pantenting '!=' ? |
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| 00:11.05 | Empty | shastry, better yet go spend the evening with a friend with broadband |
| 00:11.22 | shingouz | my ISP is screwing around again and they just managed to fsck up the dns. is there some leet command that i can use to figure out their new dns as they do not want to tell me the ip? |
| 00:11.22 | shastry | Empty, nah - my dialup is 24X7 |
| 00:11.40 | photoguy41 | does anyone know of a motorolla phone manager for linux? |
| 00:11.43 | Empty | shastry, are you very familiar with Linux? |
| 00:11.48 | cafuego | shastry: You;'re aware 'unstable' gets a LOT of updates, so you'll be fetching a couple of Mb every single night? |
| 00:11.53 | shastry | Empty, yes quite good |
| 00:11.53 | photoguy41 | i know there is one for windows but i dont know of one for linux |
| 00:11.57 | kalila | is Marcelo still maintaing 2.4.x? |
| 00:11.58 | shastry | cafuego, yes i know |
| 00:12.04 | roo9 | perfDave: i would be interested in that... i know snmp is one |
| 00:12.08 | green_earz | shastry: or check out ebay for a sarge dvd or cd set |
| 00:12.12 | Empty | shastry, OK good... most people benefit from having a working google gateway near the install box ;) |
| 00:12.26 | cafuego | shastry: Ok. Fetch Sarge CD1 . Install, then apt-get -d dist-upgrade to unstable overnight. |
| 00:12.26 | shastry | green_earz, I'm in India, those are too costly for me |
| 00:12.55 | shastry | cafuego, i wanted a small iso - cos the packages are pretty useless |
| 00:13.04 | shastry | cafuego, i mean it will be wasted anyway |
| 00:13.17 | shastry | cafuego, u familiar with archlinux ? |
| 00:13.22 | paster | "PerfDave" at 82.70.1.214 pasted "Perl one-liner for /etc/services" (3 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/287 |
| 00:13.30 | shastry | they give a base iso and a full iso, i want something like the base iso |
| 00:13.31 | green_earz | shastry: just check it out and see. it will cost you more if you download over dialup |
| 00:13.36 | jetscreamer | you can install sid via d-i |
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| 00:14.08 | shastry | green_earz, mines a special line - i pay only around 7$ pm no matter how much i use the fone and 8$ for isp |
| 00:14.09 | jetscreamer | use the 56mb netinst |
| 00:14.15 | jetscreamer | man nano |
| 00:14.19 | roo9 | nice one perfdave: how short can you make it? |
| 00:14.35 | PerfDave | roo9: That's as much as I can be arsed to do ;) |
| 00:14.39 | roo9 | perfdave: it should also say WHICH it has, TCP or UDP |
| 00:14.52 | green_earz | shastry: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050219/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso that will give you the sarge base |
| 00:14.59 | shastry | jetscreamer, so netinst will make a ready to use base and let me reboot and use apt-get in a chroot environment ? |
| 00:15.10 | shastry | green_earz, ^^ |
| 00:16.16 | jetscreamer | shastry, there is a 56 and a 110 (mb) netinst iso. the 56 does not contain base. use that. when it comes time to set up apt sources, make them say sid instead of sarge |
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| 00:16.40 | jetscreamer | or instead of testing, whatever |
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| 00:16.55 | shastry | jetscreamer, ok thnx |
| 00:17.02 | shastry | off to download now |
| 00:17.03 | zoor | jetscreamer, so whats sid= |
| 00:17.04 | shastry | bye all |
| 00:17.06 | zoor | ?* |
| 00:17.14 | green_earz | bye |
| 00:17.26 | cafuego | zoor: Your worst nightmare. |
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| 00:17.30 | jetscreamer | (unless it d/l's base brefore you get to the apt sources setup section) :) |
| 00:17.31 | jetscreamer | !sid |
| 00:17.32 | dpkg | i heard sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 00:17.34 | zoor | cafuego, haha :D' |
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| 00:17.55 | zoor | ohh |
| 00:18.23 | zoor | thnx :) |
| 00:18.31 | jetscreamer | sid is really ok, but nobody wants to hold a sid users hand :).. experimental is the true nightmare |
| 00:18.43 | cafuego | zoor: I wasn't joking |
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| 00:19.10 | jetscreamer | unless your confident that you're a god, do sarge first, and learn a bit |
| 00:19.18 | klaxian | does anyone have gnome-volume-manager working? seems to be fine in ubuntu but not debian...thoughts? |
| 00:19.18 | john | i use sarge |
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| 00:19.57 | nSe | klaxian: apt-get install cam |
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| 00:20.15 | klaxian | ah, what's cam? |
| 00:20.31 | jetscreamer | camera |
| 00:20.37 | nSe | apt-cache show cam |
| 00:20.38 | jetscreamer | or a type of gear |
| 00:20.47 | zoor | cafuego, I now what Still In Development was didnt think of it as SID though. And I can guess its not really a fun OS to play with ;) |
| 00:20.48 | nSe | or Cambridge university |
| 00:21.06 | paulswm | Or the river Cam |
| 00:21.09 | klaxian | cam is an audio mixer |
| 00:21.15 | Empty | zoor: Sid is a Toy Story ref, like all deb release names |
| 00:21.28 | Empty | zoor, It was the kid next door that liked to break his toys ;) |
| 00:21.51 | zoor | Empty, that I didnt know. On the other hand Im a little to old to be seeing those films :) |
| 00:21.57 | jetscreamer | !dict cam |
| 00:22.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'cam' (1 shown; 6 total): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "cam" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" CAM. |
| 00:22.16 | Empty | zoor, no you aren't :D Toy Story is fun for all ages |
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| 00:22.29 | klaxian | thanks guys for the cam references...but that doesn't help my gnome-volume-manager woes ;) |
| 00:22.37 | klaxian | it's not for me because i have no problem mounting things |
| 00:22.41 | zoor | Empty, I loved the nemo film so... who knows :) |
| 00:22.58 | jetscreamer | klaxian, it's probably referring to your webcam or digital camera... jsut a guess though |
| 00:23.00 | cafuego | a clown fish in sydney harbour is rediculous |
| 00:23.09 | cafuego | (any live fish in there is rediculous) |
| 00:23.10 | klaxian | but in me debian evangelism, i'd like my friends to be able to plug in a USB mass storage device and have it show up on the desktop |
| 00:23.15 | dvs | now THATS survivor |
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| 00:23.47 | klaxian | jets: i'm not hung up on cam ;) it's gnome-volume-manager i need to work :) |
| 00:23.51 | jetscreamer | klaxian, if it was set up properly, you could... |
| 00:23.58 | Empty | zoor, The release names (woody, slink, potato, etch, sarge, etc) will be *much* clearer after a viewing |
| 00:23.59 | jetscreamer | eh.. no idea sorry |
| 00:24.24 | klaxian | well there aren't really many config options... |
| 00:24.25 | zoor | Empty, ok, I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 00:24.26 | jetscreamer | i turn that gnome automount stuff off, no real need here |
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| 00:24.54 | klaxian | me either, but my novice friends want it |
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| 00:25.16 | jetscreamer | iirc gnome vfs is in a state of flux in sid and sarge, i just saw some updates... maybe that's related |
| 00:25.43 | klaxian | i see |
| 00:25.49 | jetscreamer | i dunno though |
| 00:26.19 | klaxian | i wonder how ubuntu's got it working |
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| 00:29.29 | aber | a newbie question, I have a server set up with stable packages only.. But spammassasin seems to be very out of date... this is concerning me |
| 00:29.41 | jetscreamer | !backport |
| 00:29.41 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 00:29.41 | dondelelcaro | aber: get a backport of spamassassin |
| 00:29.50 | aber | do i start allowing testing packages.. |
| 00:29.58 | aber | don: whats a backport? |
| 00:30.06 | dondelelcaro | aber: see what dpkg said. |
| 00:30.13 | jetscreamer | a port that is backwards compatible |
| 00:30.36 | Hellmark | hello, quick question. redoing a server install I have, and I was wondering what would be recommended to have in sources.list as what I used to have seems to be giving fits now. Its on a woody install |
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| 00:31.00 | aber | so is backport better than allowing testing packages on my server |
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| 00:31.18 | jetscreamer | aber, your call... (probably though) |
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| 00:32.04 | Hellmark | aber, personally, I'd use all of one package set, than mix between testing and stable |
| 00:32.11 | WetherMan | heya everyone... i upgraded my testing rls a bit ago and now fluxbox won't load via gdm (just sits there after authentication), but gnome still will. where should i be checking to find out where things are being loaded from? |
| 00:32.20 | Hellmark | I've seen too many machines go into dependency hell due to this, and knoppix is famous for that |
| 00:32.34 | dondelelcaro | DO NOT MIX TESTING AND STABLE. |
| 00:32.45 | dondelelcaro | that way lies madness. |
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| 00:33.31 | jetscreamer | hmmm the knoledgeable were too late |
| 00:33.39 | jetscreamer | knowledgeable |
| 00:33.41 | jetscreamer | ksdjfklja'lkfasf |
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| 00:34.52 | Hellmark | can anyone recommend woody apt sources? used to use ftp.us.debian.org/pub/debian but thats now giving fits |
| 00:35.08 | cheal|ignored | dondelelcaro: yesterday I abused dpkg's forget under my real nick (chealer). do you know if it'll stop ignoring me under that nick over time? |
| 00:35.12 | dvs | Hellmark: ftp.uk.debian.org? |
| 00:35.21 | vipersniper | i need a way to disable the touch pad on my laptop |
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| 00:35.41 | guestish | konqueror is randomly freezing whenever i run it |
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| 00:35.43 | jcole | vipersniper: synaptics |
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| 00:35.56 | shingouz | vipersniper: usually done in the bios if you want to do it permanently |
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| 00:36.05 | Hellmark | the synaptics tools will let you configure your touch pad |
| 00:36.17 | jcole | vipersniper: that's the xfree86 driver you need to use, using ps2 driver won't work |
| 00:36.20 | Hellmark | shingouz, not all will let you disable it in BIOS |
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| 00:36.36 | shingouz | Hellmark: *usually* |
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| 00:36.47 | vipersniper | jcole, apt-get install synaptics ??? |
| 00:36.55 | jcole | vipersniper: *not* synaptic, synaptics |
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| 00:37.07 | rage_ | anyone know how to make postfix relay to anywhere? I'm getting 'relay access denied' when i try to send mail to somewhere that's not one of my local domains |
| 00:37.20 | jcole | vipersniper: apt-cache search synaptics |
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| 00:37.58 | freddy | rage_: mynetworks |
| 00:38.07 | flip | hi -- im running sarge as my desktop.. ive installed linux, debian, and other distros countless times on this exact monitor/card setup and know my exact sync ranges... did a configuration change that it reads a supplement file in sarge and not just XF86Config-4 because the ONLY mode i have listed is 1600x1200.. i know its not because nothings small enough and xdpyinfo reports 1280x960 |
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| 00:38.18 | rage_ | freddy: yea, but what to do when people access your mail servers from thousands of ips? |
| 00:38.22 | flip | sorry for the long winded question but breaking it up usually gets me yelled at in here :P |
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| 00:38.38 | rage_ | or, can i put * under mynetworks |
| 00:38.40 | freddy | rage_: you want an open relay? |
| 00:38.51 | rage_ | freddy: i use sasl authentiction |
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| 00:39.11 | resiak | flip: I don't see a question :) |
| 00:39.15 | freddy | rage_: permit_sasl_authenticated |
| 00:39.28 | paulswm | night all, stay safe |
| 00:39.29 | freddy | rage_: in smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 00:39.31 | rage_ | ahh, and how to get postfix to actually allow ls auth? |
| 00:39.31 | flip | resiak, my question is -- did the configuration change.. does it read somethign else besides XF86Config now? sorry :P |
| 00:39.33 | rage_ | j |
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| 00:39.39 | flip | resiak, i need to get to 1600x1200 heh |
| 00:39.41 | resiak | !drxx flip |
| 00:39.41 | dpkg | flip: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 00:39.59 | flip | resiak, can i have X open when i do it? |
| 00:40.05 | resiak | flip: You _can_ if you want. |
| 00:40.12 | freddy | rage_: I have a README I wrote |
| 00:40.13 | resiak | flip: You'll have to restart it afterwards, though. |
| 00:40.16 | guestish | no konqueror fans here? :) |
| 00:40.16 | flip | thats ok |
| 00:40.24 | flip | thanks resiak trying it now |
| 00:40.25 | resiak | flip: Oh, have you manually edited XF86Config-4 |
| 00:40.26 | resiak | ? |
| 00:40.31 | flip | resiak, yes |
| 00:40.39 | rage_ | hehe freddy that would be aweesome ;] |
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| 00:40.42 | resiak | !tell flip -about x md5 |
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| 00:41.04 | freddy | rage_: http://203.91.246.20/temp/postfix-tls.README.SMTPAUTH |
| 00:41.07 | rage_ | thanks ;] |
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| 00:41.23 | guestish | dum de dum dum |
| 00:41.33 | superlime | heh |
| 00:41.41 | freddy | rage_: took me ages to figure it out so I wrote a README |
| 00:41.43 | guestish | superlime: ever try using konqueror? :) |
| 00:41.48 | rage_ | heh |
| 00:41.56 | superlime | In theory, dpkg-reconfigure sendmail should allow me to.. *ahem* reconfigure sendmail.. No? |
| 00:41.58 | BhaalWK | Anyone tell me what kernel modules are generally used for reading/writing to USB keys? |
| 00:42.03 | rage_ | freddy: does that take into account that i use mysql for my user db? |
| 00:42.03 | flip | resiak, done.. reconfiguring now |
| 00:42.03 | guestish | superlime: theory is a great thing |
| 00:42.07 | resiak | flip: Good stuff. |
| 00:42.10 | guestish | Bhaal: hotplug :) |
| 00:42.14 | freddy | rage_: nope. |
| 00:42.18 | rage_ | heh |
| 00:42.19 | flip | resiak, question; any plans on upgrading debian to x.org? |
| 00:42.22 | guestish | Bhaal: its a program |
| 00:42.32 | resiak | !topicsmite flip |
| 00:42.32 | BhaalWK | guestish: A program? |
| 00:42.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon flip. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:42.35 | guestish | superlime: in practice reconfiguring is editing the /etc files |
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| 00:42.48 | guestish | BhaalWK: it loads all the modules for yas |
| 00:42.49 | freddy | rage_: check out mech_list |
| 00:42.53 | guestish | BhaalWK: it was originally designed for usb devices |
| 00:42.53 | rage_ | k ;] |
| 00:42.59 | flip | thanks :) |
| 00:43.04 | freddy | rage_: you will need to configure sasl to use a database |
| 00:43.06 | superlime | guestish: I want to re-run the original configuration stuff that happens when it gets installed |
| 00:43.12 | guestish | superlime: dpkg-reconfigure then :) |
| 00:43.22 | rage_ | yea |
| 00:43.25 | superlime | which brings me to my next question. :) |
| 00:43.37 | superlime | I run dpkg-reconfigure sendmail, and I get nothing. Any idea wtf? :) |
| 00:44.01 | guestish | superlime: uh, i dont know what to tell ya |
| 00:44.05 | superlime | hehe |
| 00:44.08 | BhaalWK | guestish: Ahhh thanks |
| 00:44.08 | hogballs | !dpkg fuser |
| 00:44.08 | dpkg | [fuser] a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!' |
| 00:44.09 | guestish | superlime: try man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:44.18 | guestish | Bhaal: good stuff eh? :) |
| 00:44.21 | guestish | er |
| 00:44.24 | guestish | BhaalWK: |
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| 00:45.01 | cheal|ignored | superlime: did you try dpkg-reconfigure sendmail-cf ? |
| 00:45.08 | guestish | BhaalWK: there are a few variants out there |
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| 00:45.15 | mecca | uit |
| 00:45.17 | mecca | err |
| 00:45.22 | superlime | cheal|ignored: same |
| 00:45.32 | flip | resiak, same .. 1280x960 |
| 00:45.39 | superlime | I just tried --force with no luck either |
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| 00:45.42 | flip | the only mode i enabled in dpkg-reconfigure was 1600x1200 |
| 00:45.52 | resiak | flip: Have you restarted X? |
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| 00:45.56 | flip | resiak, yes |
| 00:46.02 | flip | resiak, hence the signout/signin |
| 00:46.10 | resiak | flip: And tell me you're not using some strange and wonderful Xorg packages? |
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| 00:46.13 | cheal|ignored | superlime: and with configure-debian? |
| 00:46.16 | resiak | flip: I'm not watching that closely. |
| 00:46.17 | flip | resiak, no no |
| 00:46.20 | flip | resiak, heh sorry |
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| 00:46.31 | Randall32 | What's the official way to disable devfs? |
| 00:46.37 | flip | resiak, nope i simply installed from a deb cd and upgraded then apt-get install xserver-common xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:47.58 | resiak | flip: Hey, look, I can't really help further, partly because I don't know instinctively what to suggest, and partly because it's approaching 1am and I have a problem sheet due in at 9am. |
| 00:48.04 | resiak | flip: Sorry -- good luck. |
| 00:48.08 | flip | resiak, make dpkg message me w/ the md5 command again? im going to run the check and make sure it comes out even now that ive let dpkg configure it |
| 00:48.17 | resiak | !tell flip -about x md5 |
| 00:48.25 | flip | resiak, great thanks for all the help man :) |
| 00:48.29 | flip | good luck heh |
| 00:48.29 | guestish | ? |
| 00:48.36 | roo9 | !tell roo9 -about x md5 |
| 00:48.45 | guestish | roo9: /dpkg x md5 |
| 00:49.04 | dvs | roo9: /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 00:49.18 | flip | identical :\ |
| 00:49.19 | vipersniper | jcole, i install synaptics, and turned off touch pad but it still works |
| 00:49.30 | flip | :| |
| 00:49.34 | flip | anyone know what can be causing this? |
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| 00:49.41 | flip | is there a wierd driver issue in sarge maybe? |
| 00:49.44 | flip | im using an ati 9600 |
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| 00:49.48 | flip | 128mb agp |
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| 00:49.52 | roo9 | guestish: ahh, that works too |
| 00:49.58 | dvs | flip: That works fine here. |
| 00:50.00 | Randall32 | Sometimes I really hate linux. |
| 00:50.01 | guestish | roo9: :) |
| 00:50.08 | flip | dvs, 1600x1200? |
| 00:50.17 | superlime | cheal|ignored: I hadn't heard of that one.. I'll try it now |
| 00:50.18 | Randall32 | Now I have to read tons of shit to get fucking /dev back. |
| 00:50.20 | dvs | flip: 1024x768 |
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| 00:50.30 | flip | dvs, yea thatll work here too.. :F |
| 00:50.41 | wsmith | What's the command to have apache reread all of it's DSO mods and import them into httpd.conf? |
| 00:50.41 | guestish | Randall32: what'd you do? |
| 00:51.03 | Randall32 | guestish: I don't have joystick devices and I have the joystick modules loaded. |
| 00:51.21 | guestish | Randall32: man MAKEDEV |
| 00:51.40 | Randall32 | guestish: devfs trumps it |
| 00:51.44 | guestish | Randall32: o_O |
| 00:51.46 | guestish | Randall32: ew |
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| 00:52.02 | Randall32 | Because debian is the only distribution that didn't seem to realize that devfs is ass. |
| 00:52.11 | guestish | Randall32: i dont use devfs |
| 00:52.34 | Randall32 | I don't either, but now I have to wade through lessdisks (diskless) crap to find out where to disable it. |
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| 00:52.51 | guestish | Randall32: have you tried just disabling it in the kernel and removing the daemon? |
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| 00:52.52 | roo9 | what userspace application will read data from my motherboard about CPU temperature? |
| 00:52.55 | cafuego | Randall32: You're better off leaving enabled for dickless systems. |
| 00:52.59 | Randall32 | roo9: lmsensors |
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| 00:53.11 | Randall32 | cafuego: Great, how do I get devices? |
| 00:53.15 | cafuego | roo9: lm-sensors (with help of kernel-sapce drivers) |
| 00:53.44 | cafuego | Randall32: Load the appropriate driver, that'll do it. |
| 00:53.54 | Randall32 | cafuego: It doesn't seem to ... |
| 00:53.56 | thingfish | dickless systems hehe |
| 00:53.58 | superlime | cheal|ignored: seems to do the same thing |
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| 00:54.05 | guestish | NFS root? |
| 00:54.07 | cafuego | Randall32: Then you're probably missing a mod. |
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| 00:54.29 | cafuego | Randall32: Also check /dev/input/* (devices may live somewhere else!0 |
| 00:54.54 | guestish | cafuego: just wondering, but why is devfs good for diskless systems? |
| 00:54.59 | Randall32 | cafuego: I did already. |
| 00:55.03 | roo9 | randall32, cafuego: No sensors found!, motherboard not supported? |
| 00:55.13 | cafuego | guestish: It's less data to transfer |
| 00:55.13 | Randall32 | roo9: run sensors-detect or something |
| 00:55.35 | guestish | cafuego: devices take up that much room? |
| 00:55.59 | cafuego | roo9: sensors-detect (and yes, you will probably need to tweak the config file) |
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| 00:56.11 | cafuego | guestish: on most diskless systems, yes |
| 00:56.59 | guestish | mmk |
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| 00:58.00 | roo9 | randall32, cafuego: sensors-detect says to put "alias char-major-89 i2c-dev" in /etc/init.d/modutils, this seems like it belongs in /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:58.29 | cafuego | roo9: Actually, put it in /etc/modutils/sensors |
| 00:58.32 | Randall32 | roo9: modules.conf is autogenerated from /etc/modutils |
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| 00:58.44 | poptix | careful, debian will blow away your config files |
| 00:58.52 | poptix | you have to use debians ghetto config system |
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| 00:59.12 | cafuego | poptix: No, it ASKS,. if you deleted it, it's your OWN fault. |
| 00:59.21 | cafuego | poptix: Also, #troll is there --> |
| 00:59.23 | Paganist | I'm looking for an advice, i need mono and mono depends on other files mono packages... only thing is mono and those files are only available in unstable when i run testing. Should i set sources.list in unstable and apt-get mono and then pass back in testing ? or is there an other "better" way... ? |
| 00:59.23 | poptix | cafuego: no, actually it doesn't |
| 00:59.30 | cafuego | poptix: Actually, it does. |
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| 00:59.41 | aber | i have figured out adding backports, but if i add a specific package, does it just install over a previouse stable verion of the package?? |
| 00:59.47 | poptix | cafuego: sorry, you're wrong. it doesn't always ask. |
| 00:59.50 | Randall32 | poptix: Linux errs on the side of not-working instead of Just Working in a way that people might not like. |
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| 01:00.00 | Sjimmie | Hi, sarge netinst release from 21th febr. the installer doesnt reconize my highpoint 370 HW raid, can i fix it with some params to the boot? |
| 01:00.02 | cafuego | poptix: it doesn't ask if you didn't modify it, no. otherwise, it does. |
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| 01:00.26 | cafuego | poptix: In which case it saves a backup, should you choose to replace your own version. |
| 01:00.42 | footbarn | Hey, quick question about /etc/network/interfaces? I connect online with wvdial, it uses ppp0 interface. My interfaces file was configured during bootup to use my ethernet card and now I want it to use ppp. |
| 01:00.46 | Nooby | i have got a pa-risc mashine and the guy who gave it to me does not have any root or user password. i am now in palo (bootmanager) and have got 5 lines to edit ... i read somehting about init=/bin/bash but don´t know which line to replace |
| 01:00.46 | poptix | Randall32: erring on the side of 'not working' would be not clobbering config files, modprobe.conf, sendmail.cf, or the userid/groupid of the qmail users when they don't fit into debians idea of 'correct' |
| 01:00.49 | footbarn | What would I add/change? |
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| 01:01.29 | Paganist | poptix: are you talking about an unofficial package ? because un official package complies to the policy which specify that cafuego is telling |
| 01:01.33 | flip | Nooby, put hp-ux o it :) |
| 01:01.36 | flip | on* |
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| 01:01.40 | cafuego | poptix: You have noone but yourself to blame for running qmail. modules.conf STARTES EXPLICITLY to not edit it. |
| 01:01.43 | footbarn | The interfaces manpage was a bit confusing. |
| 01:02.01 | poptix | debian recently decided my qmail users on a customer server did not have the uid/gid that debian thought was correct, and asked if i wanted to fix it. I said no, it said 'okay, run update-passwd later to do it', then some idiotic .deb ran update-passwd without asking. |
| 01:02.20 | poptix | cafuego: so it's okay for debian to clobber things when it's qmail |
| 01:02.33 | cafuego | poptix: Did you file a bug report against that or are you just whinging? |
| 01:02.36 | Nooby | flip : hp ux ? are you sure ? never saw or heared of it |
| 01:02.44 | footbarn | Or is there a program that can autoconfigure the network interfaces file with the ppp line? A perl script in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown didnt quite work. |
| 01:02.52 | flip | Nooby, thats the operating system that was supposed to run on that machine |
| 01:02.53 | poptix | cafuego: i have no idea which deb ran update-passwd, it was during a large apt-get upgrade. |
| 01:03.02 | cafuego | poptix: it's not technically OK, but I expect MOST debian suers would consider qmail broken rather then anything else. |
| 01:03.06 | flip | Nooby, Hewlett-Packards UNIX OS is called HP-UX |
| 01:03.11 | cafuego | poptix: So you're just whining. |
| 01:03.15 | flip | Nooby, and is absolutely what came new out of the box installed on that machine |
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| 01:03.22 | poptix | qmail is retarded, but if a customer asks for it, we provide it, and charge appropriately |
| 01:03.31 | Nooby | flip : oh ... well i would prefer woody |
| 01:03.44 | cafuego | poptix: if you can't be bothered reposting a bug, how do you expect it to be fixed? |
| 01:03.45 | poptix | debian shouldn't decide that you're stupid for running it, and muck around in /etc/passwd |
| 01:03.51 | flip | Nooby, oh then maybe someone here could help you.. but you should soon as reinstall |
| 01:03.55 | debian | poptix: in retrospective, you shouldn't have charged your customers. ;) |
| 01:04.06 | poptix | cafuego: i already fixed it, i chattr -R +i /etc/ before apt-get upgrade. |
| 01:04.11 | cafuego | debian: Well yes, there is that ;-) |
| 01:04.14 | Paganist | I'm looking for an advice, i need mono and mono depends on other files mono packages... only thing is mono and those files are only available in unstable when i run testing. Should i set sources.list in unstable and apt-get mono and then pass back in testing ? or is there an other "better" way... ? |
| 01:04.23 | cafuego | poptix: Yes, that's REALLY going to help the package maintainers. |
| 01:04.30 | debian | cafuego: poor customer |
| 01:04.37 | ytripppy | whats a good and small GUI email client? |
| 01:04.43 | poptix | cafuego: the package maintainers are 16 year old kids dicking around in their parents basement |
| 01:04.44 | Nooby | flip : what do you mean with "soon as reinstall" ? |
| 01:04.44 | flip | ytripppy, sylpheed |
| 01:04.51 | cafuego | debian: Customers that ASK for qmil should perhaps be told to migrate to MS Exchange ;-) |
| 01:04.58 | flip | Nooby, i mean that you should probably just reinstall the OS on it. |
| 01:05.04 | Randall32 | poptix: gentoo? |
| 01:05.04 | aber | do i have to remove a stable package, before adding its backports equivilent? |
| 01:05.07 | ytripppy | apt-get sylpheed |
| 01:05.12 | poptix | cafuego: and next week, it will be a different kid because the first got bored. I'm tired of submitting bugs that receive no response. |
| 01:05.18 | flip | Nooby, if you dont know any of the passwords.. get yourself educated in the art of installing on a pa-risc machine as well :) |
| 01:05.26 | poptix | Randall32: gentoo is for the asian ricer kids living in their parents basements =P |
| 01:05.29 | cafuego | poptix: So why are you running Debian? |
| 01:05.35 | cafuego | !ops poptix troll |
| 01:05.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: poptix troll |
| 01:05.42 | Nooby | flip : yes thats my aim. but first of all i would like to reset the root password of the existing install |
| 01:05.42 | debian | cafuego: in that way we've something to charge for - recurrently! |
| 01:05.54 | poptix | i'm not trolling, i'm stating my problems |
| 01:06.05 | Randall32 | poptix: watch this |
| 01:06.08 | poptix | cafuego: the company I work for has standardized on debian |
| 01:06.09 | Randall32 | ubuntu |
| 01:06.09 | cycom | poptix: actually, you're insulting people. |
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| 01:06.24 | poptix | basic! |
| 01:06.25 | flip | Nooby, im sorry i cant help you with that :F |
| 01:06.27 | cafuego | poptix: No, you're trolling. |
| 01:06.28 | Nooby | flip : yes i´ve got the pa-risc boot howto here and a terminal via rs232. |
| 01:06.34 | Paganist | poptix: It appears very clearly you know nothing about debian, it would be really nice from you to stop arguing on something you know nothing about and read about it or go bother people somewhere else |
| 01:06.40 | Nooby | flip : i see |
| 01:06.43 | flip | Nooby, oh you dont have a monitor, kbd, mse? |
| 01:06.45 | roo9 | randall32, cafuego: the lmsensors website says i need i2c-viapro, i am running 2.4.29 and i2c-viapro is not present. any ideas? |
| 01:06.45 | Paganist | this beeing of course my own opinion |
| 01:06.46 | cafuego | poptix: Whining about a problem you doidn't bother to report is trolling. |
| 01:06.50 | debian | poptix: I know you were pissed because you couldn't get qmail because qmail's license make life difficult for all debian user and package maintainers |
| 01:06.52 | Basic2EE | What are you doing here poptix ? |
| 01:07.00 | poptix | Basic2EE: trying to sort out debian problems |
| 01:07.02 | Randall32 | I didn't know anything about ubuntu and made the mistake of asking opinions in #debian. The result was predictable. |
| 01:07.04 | debian | couldn't get qmail work properly |
| 01:07.08 | debian | even |
| 01:07.18 | Paganist | poptix: write a bug report, complaining here won't help in any way |
| 01:07.18 | xarg | whats the best way to get clamav pkgs that are upto date in a debian dist? |
| 01:07.24 | cafuego | roo9: You'll need to compile the lm-sensors driver package _or_ use a 2.6.x kernel (which ahs it built-in). |
| 01:07.26 | dondelelcaro | Randall32: that's nice. It still has nothing whatsoever to do with #debian. |
| 01:07.28 | poptix | cafuego: so I can whine about the bugs I have reported? |
| 01:07.30 | flip | is that why debian has no qmail pkg? |
| 01:07.30 | Nooby | flip : this box got somehow patched with firmware or something else, don´t know too much about it |
| 01:07.32 | flip | licenese? |
| 01:07.33 | debian | poptix: you should turn your anger to qmail's author not us |
| 01:07.34 | flip | i didnt know that |
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| 01:07.39 | Randall32 | roo9: 2.4 requires that you compile from lmsensors-source or whatnot |
| 01:07.41 | roo9 | cafuego: don't even TALK about 2.6 |
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| 01:07.43 | Casty | i've got problems: there are a bunch of programs that freeze when I try to run them: apt-get, updatedb, lsof, find...any suggestions? |
| 01:07.45 | poptix | debian: djb already has my anger |
| 01:07.53 | debian | poptix: for not allowing us to make a binary distribution |
| 01:07.56 | footbarn | How would I configure the network interfaces file to use ppp0 for pretty much all outside communication? |
| 01:07.59 | dondelelcaro | flip: it's not legal for us to distribute precompiled binaries of qmail at all, not to mention the fact that it's not DFSG free |
| 01:07.59 | Nooby | flip : may paste you the 5 lines in flood and you take a loot at it ? |
| 01:08.01 | Paganist | roo9: what's wrong with 2.6 ? |
| 01:08.09 | poptix | debian: yes, i'm well aware of his retarded licensing issues |
| 01:08.16 | flip | Nooby, in /msg please |
| 01:08.24 | cafuego | roo9: building lm-sensors from source it is, then. |
| 01:08.27 | flip | dondelelcaro, sorry whats dfsg? |
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| 01:08.31 | debian | poptix: now that we've your anger. To be fair, you customer who paid you should receive your anger too. |
| 01:08.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell flip about dfsg |
| 01:08.35 | mentor | !dfsg |
| 01:08.35 | dpkg | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 01:08.49 | Randall32 | dondel: Actually, since it's based on debian, it seemed (at the time) that opinions (comparing and contrasting) would be useful. |
| 01:08.49 | cafuego | poptix: Sure, but you'll similarly be asked to stop it, most likely. |
| 01:08.55 | flip | dondelelcaro, thanks. |
| 01:09.01 | cafuego | poptix: At least it would be _whining_ not _trolling_. |
| 01:09.25 | Paganist | poptix: by the way... i think the bug report should be given to the maintainer of the package that called update-passwd not qmail's one... no? |
| 01:09.29 | dondelelcaro | Randall32: the original question may have been applicable, but complaining about the responses you got is rather pointless. |
| 01:09.31 | roo9 | paganist: i am using ataraid, ataraid seems to have dissapeared in 2.6.x |
| 01:09.46 | Paganist | i see |
| 01:09.46 | cafuego | roo9: Yes. ataraid bad. mdraid good. |
| 01:10.02 | poptix | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sendmail |
| 01:10.08 | poptix | ^- that's what happens to bugs =P |
| 01:10.09 | RichiH | Randall32: problem is that _many_ people want opinion. in a channel full of people who have already chosen for themselves :) also, all the knoppix help requests have made us kinda itchy ;) |
| 01:10.15 | poptix | Package: sendmail; Reported by: <jgoerzen@happy.cs.twsu.edu>; 7 years and 244 days old. |
| 01:10.15 | Randall32 | dondel: Not pointless if it changes knee-jerk attitudes. I've only learned that #debian == #zealotry |
| 01:10.23 | roo9 | cafuego: but can i make my ataraid device md raid? i can't reformat it. |
| 01:10.24 | poptix | 7 year old bugs |
| 01:10.44 | cafuego | roo9: *maybe* - I dunno. |
| 01:10.51 | greg_ | can anyone help me with a lock up problem with gnome 2.8 |
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| 01:11.02 | poptix | Package: sendmail; Reported by: Jeff Sheinberg <jeff@bsrd.net>; 3 years and 73 days old. |
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| 01:11.10 | dondelelcaro | Randall32: comparing us all to zealots isn't doing much to further your cause. And regardless, that's precisely the issue that is not applicable to #debian. |
| 01:11.24 | roo9 | cafuego: noone seems to, i have been trying to do this since 2.6.0 |
| 01:11.28 | Randall32 | dondel: Ah, well, do I create a bug report then? |
| 01:11.30 | cafuego | poptix: Looks like you seem to have a knack for choosing to use shitty MTAs. |
| 01:11.39 | dondelelcaro | Randall32: for what? qmail-src? |
| 01:11.43 | Paganist | poptix: That's what happens to bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=hwtools&archive=yes |
| 01:11.45 | Randall32 | dondel: #debian |
| 01:11.49 | debian | poptix: the developers get a new life since. :) |
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| 01:12.09 | Roey | helo |
| 01:12.11 | dondelelcaro | Randall32: no, you /ignore people you have problems with, or you try to fix the problem by being positive about it. |
| 01:12.12 | Roey | *hello |
| 01:12.22 | Roey | is there such a thing as failover (linux-ha or something) for Debian? |
| 01:12.23 | dondelelcaro | Randall32: trolling for responses isn't going to help the situtation at all. |
| 01:12.26 | poptix | cafuego: you sound like a debian user, debians way or the highway |
| 01:12.34 | mentor | cafuego: That's not really a contructive comment. |
| 01:12.36 | Randall32 | dondel: I sense a little lilo in there. |
| 01:12.40 | poptix | obviously i should be using EXIM, since it's the default misconfigured mta |
| 01:12.46 | cafuego | poptix: like i said earlier, feel free to use ANY OTHER DISTRO AT ALL if you don't like Debian. |
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| 01:13.05 | Roey | I want to set up two boxes with the same services and data (i.e., NTP, web, ldap, and their respective data sets). This is possible with Sarge? |
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| 01:13.20 | dondelelcaro | Randall32: perhaps. But regardless, that's the way things work. |
| 01:13.24 | chugga | the best you can do to get help in #debian is /j #linuxhelp :P |
| 01:13.30 | chugga | can we make that a topic or summat |
| 01:13.33 | poptix | chugga: haha |
| 01:13.38 | chugga | :P |
| 01:14.04 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. If you feel the need to rail about how bad #debian is, kindly /part and do it elsewhere. |
| 01:14.07 | poptix | cafuego: i would upgrade the entire fleet of customer systems to something else, if i could get away with it =) |
| 01:14.16 | chugga | funnily enough i didnt read the preeding convo, but what do you know, its always appropriate in #debian |
| 01:14.20 | Randall32 | So, any opinions about ubuntu? |
| 01:14.28 | Paganist | geez |
| 01:14.31 | chugga | dondelelcaro, no this is a religious experience for me |
| 01:14.32 | cafuego | poptix: Maybe it's time for a career change then. Looks like the current one has made you bitter. |
| 01:14.35 | Ronin | wow youd think they were forced to run debian by what im reading tonight |
| 01:14.38 | poptix | right, because if you're in #debian you should pretend it's perfect, ignore its faults, and never try to improve things. |
| 01:14.39 | mentor | poptix: Whining is not helping. You may not like the way things are done, but hte bug tracking system is the way to report bugs. Some bugs/packages problems may take longer than expected or the bug tracking system may not be handled correctly; lots of bugs /are/ fixed and handled correctly, and one particular case does not change that. |
| 01:14.40 | Paganist | why people are beeing bad towards debian |
| 01:14.42 | cafuego | Randall32: Yep. |
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| 01:15.05 | cafuego | #troll is there --> like I said earlier. |
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| 01:15.11 | Randall32 | cafuego: Please, please, give me one. |
| 01:15.16 | dondelelcaro | again, if you need to complain about how bad things are in #debian, do it elsewhere. If you want to fix the problem, be constructive. |
| 01:15.17 | cafuego | Randall32: /j #ubuntu |
| 01:15.22 | dondelelcaro | If you have problems with people, use /ignore. |
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| 01:15.30 | cafuego | Randall32: We're being off-topic enough as it is ;-) |
| 01:15.30 | Randall32 | cafuego: So I can get their honest, unbiased opinions? |
| 01:15.35 | chugga | dondelelcaro, word man. one love :) |
| 01:15.39 | Randall32 | honestly, do you ask GM how their cars are? |
| 01:15.43 | robertg | 762 people :O |
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| 01:15.50 | cafuego | Randall32: I'll be happy to give you my honest unbiased one there. |
| 01:15.52 | mentor | poptix: Otherwise, your whining is not helping and is mostly off-topic. Otherwise, we are open to problems and solutions |
| 01:15.56 | Paganist | chugga: if you want direct technical support... you still can pay redhat or even microsoft... at least you'll have something real to complain about |
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| 01:16.09 | ytripppy | how do i make dhclient save its settings |
| 01:16.11 | Casty | i can't kill any of these: apt-get, nroff, find, lsof , please anything helpful? |
| 01:16.12 | poptix | that's the answer, stifle all discussion |
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| 01:16.20 | cafuego | Tssk tssk. |
| 01:16.26 | Randall32 | useless unthinkers, happy zealotry to you |
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| 01:16.36 | DrRighteous | does anyone know if there is a howto on upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6 on a SATA box? since it changes the HD dev names? |
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| 01:16.49 | offby1 | Casty: try becoming "root" before killing |
| 01:17.05 | chugga | Paganist, what the hell man, im complaining about the attitude not the support .. the support is good as long as you dont mind getting abused |
| 01:17.06 | Casty | offby1: yes I'm root and they won't go anywhere with kill -15 |
| 01:17.06 | Roadrunne | hi all, where can i exchange eth0 and eth1? i've got 2 nic's but eth0 and eth1 are twisted. |
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| 01:17.20 | offby1 | Casty: try "kill -9" |
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| 01:17.23 | poptix | stifled |
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| 01:17.25 | ytripppy | how do i make dhclient save its settings? |
| 01:17.33 | greg_ | can any one help with a gnome problem |
| 01:17.36 | mentor | Roadrunne: You can't, unfortunately....the dev names are assigned in the order that the hardware is found. |
| 01:17.44 | Solet | does anyone know why installing the xscreensaver-gl package does not install the glmatrix screensaver on my machine |
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| 01:18.00 | Paganist | chugga: people that help here do it for free on their free time and since they are trying to help lots of people and are not so much themselves, it's normal to have a lag in help... |
| 01:18.07 | Casty | offby1: -9 no good either |
| 01:18.11 | Paganist | now you can try and help too though |
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| 01:18.35 | Luke | what is the debian command to rebuild my WM menu's? |
| 01:18.35 | chugga | Paganist, thats cool. fair enough, |
| 01:18.36 | Paganist | whatever |
| 01:18.47 | offby1 | Casty: perhaps the processes are "zombies". If there's a Z on their line in the output of "ps", they are. |
| 01:18.57 | dondelelcaro | Luke: they get rebuilt whenever you install a package |
| 01:19.04 | dondelelcaro | Luke: you may need to reload your WM though |
| 01:19.10 | Roadrunne | mentor: isn't there any way to set eth1 to a specific module? IIRC this was possible? |
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| 01:19.16 | Luke | dondelelcaro: reload my WM as in restart X? |
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| 01:19.18 | dondelelcaro | Roadrunne: use nameif |
| 01:19.19 | Casty | offby1: no Z's |
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| 01:19.32 | Luke | dondelelcaro: cause i've restarted X but abiword doesnt show up in my OB menu |
| 01:19.36 | offby1 | Casty: I'm out of ideas, then. |
| 01:19.40 | dondelelcaro | Luke: does it show up in the Debian menu? |
| 01:19.55 | Roadrunne | dondelelcaro: what's that? |
| 01:19.55 | mentor | Roadrunne: Oh sorry, I am wrong. |
| 01:19.58 | Luke | dondelelcaro: oh i forgot about that - lemme check |
| 01:20.01 | dondelelcaro | !nameif |
| 01:20.01 | dpkg | i heard nameif is a tool to juggle the order in which your nics appear, see http://xenotime.net/linux/doc/network-interface-names.txt |
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| 01:20.14 | Luke | dondelelcaro: oh nevermind - thats where i was looking - its not in there |
| 01:20.25 | Roadrunne | dondelelcaro: thx! |
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| 01:20.26 | Azra`el | uh |
| 01:20.26 | dondelelcaro | Luke: hrm... well, it should have been added. |
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| 01:20.36 | Azra`el | change the order you load the modules for the nic |
| 01:20.36 | Paganist | I'm looking for an advice, i need mono and mono depends on other files mono packages... only thing is mono and those files are only available in unstable when i run testing. Should i set sources.list in unstable and apt-get mono and then pass back in testing ? or is there an other "better" way... ? |
| 01:20.42 | Azra`el | the first module you load will be eth0 |
| 01:20.44 | Azra`el | the second, eth1 |
| 01:20.45 | cafuego | Wow, no spambot. |
| 01:20.48 | Casty | offby1: they are all listed as idle by top (pressing i while running top) |
| 01:20.52 | Luke | dondelelcaro: its like gnome-abiword or something and if i try to install regular abiword, it adds it to the deb menu but uninstalles gnome |
| 01:20.56 | offby1 | Casty: like I said, I'm out of ideas. |
| 01:20.57 | dondelelcaro | Azra`el: that's not necessarily enough... esp. if you have multiple nicks running with the same module. |
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| 01:21.19 | dondelelcaro | Luke: you're installing abiword-gnome, I assume? |
| 01:21.30 | Luke | dondelelcaro: no - it came installed |
| 01:21.30 | nono31 | today when I do apt-get -u dist-upgrade (sid), it wants to download 245MB and says taht 200MB of additional disk space will be used... what the hell has changed to take so much space in the last few days??? |
| 01:21.38 | dondelelcaro | Luke: came installed with what? |
| 01:21.49 | Luke | dondelelcaro: sarge i guess? |
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| 01:21.57 | dondelelcaro | nono31: things change all the time. There's nothing exciting there. |
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| 01:22.31 | hogballs | how many gigabytes of space do I need if I download the whole Debian Repository? |
| 01:22.43 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: it's gigantic. |
| 01:22.54 | cafuego | hogballs: 9-ish Gb per arch per release i think |
| 01:22.56 | dondelelcaro | hogballs: figure 15G*12*3 |
| 01:22.58 | cheal|ignored | !dstats |
| 01:22.59 | nono31 | dondelelcaro: yes, it changes! but usualy does not take more 200MB of new space!!! |
| 01:23.01 | Azra`el | hogballs: go to your local TDS net with a 120 gig removable hard-drive and ask to plug in |
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| 01:23.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell nono31 about ep |
| 01:23.23 | Luke | dondelelcaro: any other ideas? |
| 01:23.31 | BhaalWK | What filesystem is normally used by a USB key? |
| 01:23.33 | ytripppy | where is the file dhclient saves it settings? |
| 01:23.38 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: whatever you've stuck on it |
| 01:23.43 | offby1 | BhaalWK: fat32, I think |
| 01:23.47 | BhaalWK | right |
| 01:24.14 | Nooby | somebofy inhere with any palo experience ? |
| 01:24.17 | dondelelcaro | Luke: nope... if it works with abiword, it should have worked with abiword-gnome |
| 01:24.22 | Nooby | *somebody |
| 01:24.31 | Luke | dondelelcaro: you think i should try reinstalling abiword-gnome? |
| 01:24.37 | dondelelcaro | Luke: worth a shot... |
| 01:24.52 | Luke | dondelelcaro: ok thanks man =) |
| 01:25.00 | roo9 | wget http://khali.linux-fr.org/devel/i2c/i2c-2.9.0.1.patch |
| 01:25.06 | nono31 | dondelelcaro: anyway. it has beens some times now that I'm using debian sid, and i never saw an update user 200Mb more space. install new packages ok. but no update. something big must have changed |
| 01:25.09 | dondelelcaro | nono31: look at what packages you upgraded. There are often large changes in SID, and some of them can take up a lot of space. |
| 01:25.13 | Casty | what in the hell, i can't even reboot or shutdown -r now ?? |
| 01:25.15 | nono31 | and I wanted to know what. |
| 01:25.35 | hogballs | cafuego, is there a command I can type in to get all one at a time? |
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| 01:26.07 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16343 packages, 1446 maintainers, 31955 MB installed size, 10268 MB compressed size. |
| 01:26.18 | BhaalWK | offby1: Okey .. so mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint -t vfat should work? |
| 01:26.34 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: that assumes that /dev/sda1 is actually the usbkey. It may not be. |
| 01:26.49 | hogballs | so 32 gigs then |
| 01:26.56 | BhaalWK | dondelelcaro: Well thats what the syslog said, and also fdisk -l |
| 01:27.07 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: but either way, mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint; should work because mount is capable of detecting the filesystem. |
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| 01:27.15 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: ok, then it's probably right. |
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| 01:27.21 | BhaalWK | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.22 | BhaalWK | /dev/sda1 * 1 16 125920+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 01:27.34 | cheal|ignored | take your time, dpkg :) |
| 01:27.46 | sally_ | how do I erase a cdrw? cdrecord -scanbus doesn't show my burner and k3b gives an error |
| 01:27.54 | BhaalWK | dondelelcaro: Its telling me it has wrong filesystem type etc... that general error |
| 01:27.59 | dondelelcaro | sally_: first find it using -scanbus, then use -blank |
| 01:28.15 | sally_ | dondelelcaro, cdrecord -scanbus doesn't show my burner |
| 01:28.31 | dondelelcaro | sally_: specify the right -dev; like cdrecord -scanbus -dev ATAPI: |
| 01:28.32 | nono31 | sally_: you're member of your burner group? |
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| 01:30.11 | roo9 | so, i got i2c working, i2c-viapro installed but `sensors' still says no sensors! |
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| 01:31.28 | Luke | dondelelcaro: reinstalling it worked =) |
| 01:31.40 | SilentBob | WIth boot/grub/menu.lst I have 3 kernels listed, and the second to last line for each kernel is "saveddefault" |
| 01:31.43 | Luke | dondelelcaro: thanks again |
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| 01:31.49 | BhaalWK | If a usbkey has a fat32 partition on it, and mount is telling me its wrong fs type or not supported (the module is loaded) what is usually wrong? |
| 01:31.52 | SilentBob | Do I just put "saveddefault 3" on which kernel I want ot be the default |
| 01:31.58 | SilentBob | then at the top "default 3" |
| 01:31.59 | SilentBob | ? |
| 01:32.24 | Azra`el | you're pointing mount at the wrong device? |
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| 01:32.52 | Azra`el | or the usb mass storage module isn't loaded |
| 01:32.54 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: also, check what dmesg is saying |
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| 01:32.55 | BhaalWK | Azra`el: No.. /dev/sda1 which is what shows in fdisk -l |
| 01:33.20 | BhaalWK | dondelelcaro: Unable to load NLS charset cp437 |
| 01:33.21 | BhaalWK | fatal__: codepage cp437 not found |
| 01:33.27 | dondelelcaro | hahaha |
| 01:33.28 | BhaalWK | dondelelcaro: Im thinking thats it :) |
| 01:33.50 | dondelelcaro | yeah, you need at least codepage 437 |
| 01:34.01 | dondelelcaro | otherwise you'll be in great pain |
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| 01:34.20 | directhex | what? no, nobody needs things like that in a kernel. unneccessary bloat! |
| 01:34.41 | dondelelcaro | directhex: you need at least codepage 437 |
| 01:34.46 | directhex | unused network drivers, codepages, interfaces like 'ide', all not needed |
| 01:35.07 | dondelelcaro | directhex: I suppose you don't load PCI bus support either... ;-) |
| 01:35.24 | jarango | is it possible to tell make-kpkg not to add a revision number ? Then man page says the default is 10.00.Custom but I rather not have a revision number |
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| 01:35.33 | Epix | debian... its tempting to get it but i still dont like the fact that apt-get gets old packages |
| 01:35.34 | dondelelcaro | jarango: you want a revision number. |
| 01:35.37 | directhex | dondelelcaro, hell no! if you have pci express, it means all other busses are not needed |
| 01:35.41 | directhex | Epix, define ;old' |
| 01:35.45 | directhex | *'old' |
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| 01:35.50 | jarango | dondelelcaro: Please explain why ? |
| 01:35.51 | dondelelcaro | jarango: /msg dpkg kp mantra; will help you greatly |
| 01:35.58 | Epix | directhex, not the current stable ones |
| 01:36.08 | directhex | Epix, who the fuck would use woody on a desktop, though? |
| 01:36.21 | dondelelcaro | jarango: because that's the actual version of the kernel package. Packages *must* have a version. |
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| 01:36.56 | BhaalWK | dondelelcaro: All working now... had to put in the 8859-1 aswell hehe |
| 01:37.10 | directhex | *blinks* |
| 01:37.32 | ytripppy | whats a good and small GUI ftp client/server ? |
| 01:37.41 | Epix | dondelelcaro: ... if i were to apt-get php for example, i would NOT get php5. |
| 01:37.46 | dondelelcaro | Epix: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | they make a gui ftp server? |
| 01:38.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I sure hope not |
| 01:38.07 | directhex | Epix, woody was released in 2002. why would it have php5? |
| 01:38.14 | directhex | abrotman, they make gui ircd's, for windows! |
| 01:38.15 | jarango | dondelelcaro: I though the pakage version was taken from the kernel version you are compiling |
| 01:38.21 | dondelelcaro | jarango: no, it's not. |
| 01:38.30 | dondelelcaro | jarango: the kernel version is in the name of the package |
| 01:38.33 | directhex | i had a fairly good gui ftp server in windows. by fairly good i mean it let me serve up a couple of gig before uninstalling |
| 01:38.34 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 01:38.34 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | directhex: for windows!! .. not a sane OS!!! .. just thought i'd fill you in on that tidbit :) |
| 01:38.41 | jarango | dondelelcaro: What is this fakeroot thing ? |
| 01:38.42 | directhex | abrotman, wine! |
| 01:38.46 | dondelelcaro | !fakeroot |
| 01:38.46 | dpkg | fakeroot is probably a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 01:38.58 | cafuego | Epix: Is there any valid reason you need php5 and not php4 |
| 01:39.02 | dondelelcaro | jarango: apt-get install fakeroot; man fakeroot; for more details. |
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| 01:39.10 | abrotman | cafuego: look .. shiny thing .. over there! |
| 01:39.17 | directhex | poing! |
| 01:39.22 | directhex | !kikismite abrotman |
| 01:39.45 | Epix | cafuego: that was just an example... the packages are updated at one time. anything after that cant be simply apt-getted |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:40.04 | dondelelcaro | Epix: eh? certainly it can |
| 01:40.09 | directhex | Epix, you seem fixated on woody. this is a common troll trait. you're not trolling, are you? |
| 01:40.20 | Beuno | I have 2 broadband cable connections on my fedora box, any ideas on how to use them both? |
| 01:40.29 | cafuego | Beuno: Not in here, no. |
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| 01:40.56 | dondelelcaro | Beuno: ask in #fedora, then when they don't respond, read the lartc. |
| 01:40.57 | xarg | my life would be easier if I could just use exim |
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| 01:41.12 | dondelelcaro | xarg: just use exim then... |
| 01:41.14 | jarango | dondelelcaro: Thanks a lot, that's really a nice help. Do I need to install any other package besides kernel-package and fakeroot ? |
| 01:41.15 | cafuego | xarg: apt-get install exim4 |
| 01:41.32 | bucky | i need sendmail for local delivery |
| 01:41.35 | Beuno | lartc? |
| 01:41.50 | Epix | directhex: ok, so what happens if i get something newer than woody. im not trying to troll, im just confuzzled |
| 01:41.50 | dondelelcaro | jarango: build-essential kernel-package and fakeroot are all you need. [although, you'll probably want libncurses5-dev] |
| 01:41.53 | xarg | my customer wants qmail |
| 01:41.57 | xarg | grrrr |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | qmail blows |
| 01:42.08 | dondelelcaro | xarg: charge them extra |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | !blow qmail |
| 01:42.13 | xarg | good program bad license |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | bad program .. horrible license |
| 01:42.24 | xarg | I am |
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| 01:42.39 | Beuno | dondelelcaro: lartc?? |
| 01:42.48 | dondelelcaro | Beuno: google is your friend. |
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| 01:42.57 | Beuno | yeah |
| 01:42.57 | ytripppy | OK!, whats a good and small GUI ftp client? |
| 01:43.02 | Beuno | not that helfull though |
| 01:43.04 | abrotman | xterm |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | !! |
| 01:43.06 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:43.07 | Beuno | been looking around for days |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | dpkg: you are |
| 01:43.11 | dpkg | abrotman: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:43.16 | bucky | xarg, |
| 01:43.17 | dondelelcaro | Beuno: sure it is. the first result for lartc will *BE* the lartc. |
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| 01:43.18 | bucky | http://www.pantz.org/email/qmail/qmailondebian.shtml |
| 01:43.26 | bob2 | abrotman: something where? |
| 01:43.39 | bob2 | if you think you need qmail, you're confused and mispronouncing "postfix" |
| 01:43.42 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you burn an image in debian? |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | bob2: uhm .. ftp-master new list .. stew and i were wondering why it was so backed up |
| 01:43.44 | Epix | ok heres what i think: apt-get gets the packages in a big list. this list is only ever updated when the distro was created. therefor, you cant get the nice new packages if you need them... |
| 01:43.49 | bob2 | abrotman: oh, right |
| 01:43.52 | Epix | but correct me if im wrong |
| 01:43.52 | cafuego | xarg: Does you customer KNOW why it wants qmail or is it just being arbitrary? |
| 01:43.55 | dondelelcaro | Epix: you're wrong. |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | bob2: so why? :) |
| 01:44.01 | bob2 | abrotman: it seems to have been more or less put on hold until sarge comes out |
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| 01:44.09 | abrotman | bob2: lovely .. that's great ... |
| 01:44.09 | dondelelcaro | Epix: every time you run apt-get update; the package list gets updated with whatever is actually on the mirror. |
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| 01:44.28 | abrotman | stew: see ... it's cause sarge is holding up .. yet another part of debian |
| 01:44.32 | bob2 | abrotman: well, it does encourage people to fix RC bugs :-) |
| 01:44.32 | dondelelcaro | Epix: this is all really basic stuff, and is covered in the Debian reference and any "why debian" tract. |
| 01:44.36 | Epix | dondelelcaro: and how often are the mirrors updated? |
| 01:44.41 | dondelelcaro | Epix: every 24 hours |
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| 01:44.52 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have a dvd image (.iso) and k3b cant seem to load it or am i just looking in the wrong place? |
| 01:44.56 | Epix | dondelelcaro: but not for woody? |
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| 01:45.15 | r3m | somebody knows a great provider of virtual dedicated server? |
| 01:45.19 | dondelelcaro | Epix: woody is a stable release. Stable releases by definition do not get updated, save for security fixes and very specific fixes to grave bugs. |
| 01:45.25 | The_Ultimate_Sam | any ideas? |
| 01:45.29 | abrotman | bob2: does it work? |
| 01:45.54 | dondelelcaro | Epix: if you don't need that type of stability, then you don't use woody, you use sarge (or if you really know what you're doing [ie, you're not asking questions in #debian] you use sid) |
| 01:45.58 | Beuno | ah |
| 01:45.59 | Beuno | sorry |
| 01:46.04 | dondelelcaro | s/use sid/can use sid/ |
| 01:46.28 | Beuno | thanx!!! |
| 01:46.31 | Epix | dondelelcaro: heh, ok. but what happens when sarge is stable and sid is the next sarge... |
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| 01:46.40 | dondelelcaro | Epix: sid will never become sarge. |
| 01:46.54 | dondelelcaro | Epix: s/sarge/testing/; the next testing release will be codenamed etch. |
| 01:46.56 | bob2 | abrotman: heh, I dunno, I only ever "fixed" on RC bug, long ago |
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| 01:47.02 | bob2 | I should have a look next time I'm bored |
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| 01:47.10 | abrotman | bob2: you're such a good DD :) |
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| 01:47.12 | dondelelcaro | Epix: again, this is all really basic stuff covered in all of the faqs, the Debian reference, and any "why debian" tract. |
| 01:47.20 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 01:47.25 | bob2 | one day I'll go into NM |
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| 01:47.38 | Epix | dondelelcaro: im guessing tats on debian.org |
| 01:47.38 | cat | bob2: ur a dd? |
| 01:47.42 | bob2 | cat: no |
| 01:47.44 | abrotman | !ur |
| 01:47.44 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:47.44 | Epix | s/tats/thats |
| 01:47.45 | dondelelcaro | !tell Epix about why debian |
| 01:47.45 | cat | oh |
| 01:47.48 | abrotman | bob2: still not? |
| 01:48.51 | vipersniper | i did apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics and still will not shut touch-pad off when i select off |
| 01:49.04 | vipersniper | wtf |
| 01:49.09 | directhex | Epix, when sarge becomes stable, users who have their machines set to use 'woody' will be stuck on the end-of-line distribution. people set to use 'stable' will have a large update to sarge. people set to use 'sarge' will keep using sarge which is now stable, people set to use 'testing' will use the new Etch. |
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| 01:49.29 | abrotman | vipersniper: i'm more curious to know what a vipersniper is |
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| 01:49.46 | directhex | Epix, users can change their sources.list file at any time to point to a different version, though they can only upgrade (not downgrade) |
| 01:50.09 | vipersniper | abrotman, i was in a hurry for an irc nick ;) |
| 01:50.14 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 01:50.24 | directhex | Epix, e.g. if you installed woody today, you could upgrade it to sarge with one config file change & one apt command. |
| 01:50.28 | directhex | and a reboot. |
| 01:50.33 | Epix | k |
| 01:50.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you burn an image in debian? |
| 01:50.38 | Epix | thats good ;) |
| 01:50.46 | fumbalah | I need to quit using my desk as a cutting board |
| 01:50.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have a dvd image (.iso) and k3b cant seem to load it or am i just looking in the wrong place? |
| 01:50.54 | directhex | Epix, personally i use sarge, sid, or a mix of the two |
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| 01:51.07 | abrotman | The_Ultimate_Sam: you need some dvdrwtools or something |
| 01:51.10 | dondelelcaro | The_Ultimate_Sam: burn it using dvdrecord, dvdrwtools, or get prodvdtools (whatever the hell schilling is selling) |
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| 01:51.27 | directhex | The_Ultimate_Sam, in k3b, tools, dvd, burn dvd iso image |
| 01:51.34 | Epix | directhex: Why Debian says its hard to configure, but it doesnt say whats hard... whats hard :P? |
| 01:52.03 | directhex | Epix, it's not a clicky clicky distribution. it requires the ability to "read" |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | !be a debian barbie |
| 01:52.06 | dpkg | awwww, debian is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 01:52.21 | Azra`el | heh. |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | directhex: no need to put "read" in quotes .. it is really reading :) |
| 01:53.01 | directhex | abrotman, the suggestion is that reading is some mystic black art nobody does in real life. i suppose context is hard on irc |
| 01:53.17 | Azra`el | just for the record, the reason i've been dealing with debian the last three days or so, (grin) is because we're putting it on end user computers, as an alternative OS. and the reason we picked debian, is because it's a pointy pointy clicky clicky distro. ;p |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | directhex: i'm sorry .. there are too many letters in one line |
| 01:53.34 | _Tr0gd0r | where are the passwords stored on the newest debain the etc/passwd file just has an x |
| 01:53.46 | jarango | dondelelcaro: Lets's take for example kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686, what would be the append-to-version and revision parameters ? |
| 01:53.50 | abrotman | !debain |
| 01:53.50 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 01:54.27 | directhex | Azra`el, well it's fine once it's installed & configured, but it's hardly an Ark Linux 3-click install |
| 01:54.48 | abrotman | _Tr0gd0r: /etc/shadow/shadow |
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| 01:54.59 | abrotman | err ... |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | /etc/shadow |
| 01:55.12 | Azra`el | directhex, i'm a hardcore slackware fan. debian's basically windows-ish in install. |
| 01:55.43 | abrotman | i think .. i'm seeing a "Debian is too easy" troll ... |
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| 01:55.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:55.58 | Azra`el | i'm not trolling sir. |
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| 01:56.06 | Azra`el | i LIKE debian. i'm distributing it. |
| 01:56.15 | directhex | abrotman, you don't remember the 'who the fuck needs (fsck|manpages|dpkg) guy'? |
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| 01:56.18 | abrotman | Azra`el: is this for many machines at once ? |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | directhex: i think i missed that one |
| 01:56.26 | Azra`el | abrotman, yes sir. |
| 01:56.26 | lightbright | ok. I'm in over my head. |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | !flw |
| 01:56.28 | dpkg | <chpUke> Well, I have everything including experimental in my sources.list. |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | Azra`el: did you look at FAI ? |
| 01:56.52 | vipersniper | abrotman, vipersniper: Any person with the ability to maim or destroy their opponents, while simultaneously spouting insults. ;) |
| 01:57.05 | abrotman | vipersniper: does it work ? |
| 01:57.07 | Azra`el | abrotman: join #flood and i'll paste it. ;p (the "who needs man) |
| 01:57.23 | abrotman | Azra`el: paste what? |
| 01:57.28 | Azra`el | <abrotman> directhex: i think i missed that one |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | Azra`el: you're going to paste a log for me to read? |
| 01:57.47 | Azra`el | correct sir. |
| 01:57.50 | lightbright | need ideas. I stepped through this howto clean woody install on software raid. - serveral times. but I when I got to the next step in my project i hit a wall |
| 01:57.59 | abrotman | Azra`el: are you that person? |
| 01:58.17 | Azra`el | abrotman: negative, i /lastlog'ed it last night so i could feed it to a quote bot, and still have the lastlog open. |
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| 01:58.52 | lightbright | I downloaded a kernal, and did all that. then apt-get install cdrecord. but it didn't work. |
| 01:59.13 | bob2 | lightbright: you need to explain more about what you did |
| 01:59.14 | lightbright | I even tried cdrecord -scanbus and just a bunch of crap |
| 01:59.17 | heloo | anyone using kde |
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| 01:59.18 | heloo | ?? |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | Azra`el: uhm .. i'm not sure putting that in #flood is a good idea |
| 01:59.22 | heloo | kde??? |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | heloo: are you on debian ? |
| 01:59.33 | bob2 | lightbright: if you're using a 2.6 kernel, you don't need scanbus |
| 01:59.45 | lightbright | bob2: I did get 2.6 |
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| 02:00.03 | bob2 | lightbright: your question is still unanswerable |
| 02:00.20 | heloo | yes |
| 02:00.38 | directhex | lightbright, you are being all over the place. woody, 2.6, cdrecord, raid, i sense randomness |
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| 02:00.48 | lightbright | ok |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | heloo: #debian-kde |
| 02:00.54 | lightbright | im a slow typer. |
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| 02:01.12 | lightbright | here was the goal. |
| 02:01.24 | gbic | I am trying to install sarge-hppa-netinst.iso and when its getting to the disks it goes nuts and pastes something over and over....I can't really make out what it says...something about 32768 |
| 02:01.31 | heloo | same as kde, abrotman |
| 02:01.38 | gbic | I should mention, this is on an hppa system HP c3000 |
| 02:01.43 | lightbright | actually still is. Raid level 1 backup to cdrw or DVD |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | heloo: #debian-kde |
| 02:01.47 | bob2 | gbic: your best bet would be asking on the debian-hppa mailing list |
| 02:01.59 | gbic | ok, thanks bob2 |
| 02:02.01 | lightbright | I found a howto for a clean woody install. |
| 02:02.11 | gravity | Yeah, hppa experience is in limited supply |
| 02:02.18 | gbic | thing goes absolutely nuts, previous version seems to work fine |
| 02:02.19 | bob2 | gbic: or find greycat, he's the only HPPA user I know |
| 02:02.20 | gbic | *sigh* |
| 02:02.21 | lightbright | it involved downloading a bootstrap and compiling a kernal. |
| 02:02.26 | omckinley | has anyone had any experience doing a dist-upgrade from say debian 2 - 3? does it work well? i'm asking because i'm going to eventually need to dist-upgrade to sarge so i'd thought i'd ask before running into problems |
| 02:02.27 | lightbright | did that ... all went well. |
| 02:02.31 | bob2 | gbic: or possibly #debian-boot |
| 02:02.38 | paradigm | tell i'll get a mac *fg* |
| 02:02.39 | gbic | great thanks |
| 02:02.40 | lightbright | then I used apt-get to get cdrecord. |
| 02:02.50 | bob2 | omckinley: if you go between subsequent major releases, it should work fine |
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| 02:03.07 | lightbright | when I ran cdrecord -scanbus it basically said that it wasnt going to work. |
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| 02:03.20 | omckinley | bob2: so basically i can upgrade from woody to sarge completely remotely without taking the box down is that correct |
| 02:03.30 | bob2 | lightbright: if you're on a 2.6 kernel, you don't need scanbus at all |
| 02:03.35 | bob2 | for an IDE drive, anyway |
| 02:03.37 | lightbright | ok. |
| 02:03.42 | bob2 | omckinley: unless you hit a bug, yes |
| 02:03.45 | bob2 | omckinley: but that is the idea |
| 02:04.02 | NickTheft | wah... dunno what that was |
| 02:04.03 | omckinley | awesome....thanks bob2 :) |
| 02:04.05 | directhex | omckinley, i'd install a sarge kernel & reboot, but maybe that's just me |
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| 02:04.20 | lightbright | so is the dev just dev=/dev/hdc or what ever? |
| 02:04.28 | bob2 | lightbright: yes |
| 02:04.29 | abrotman | omckinley: .. sounds irish |
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| 02:04.47 | Epix | bah.. there we go |
| 02:04.56 | omckinley | directhex: that shouldn't be a problem.....my main concern was upgrading boxes that are remote and far away, which I can't visit in person to upgrade traditionally with rpm based distros |
| 02:05.14 | lightbright | bob2: are there any special kernel options? |
| 02:05.14 | bob2 | hm, fedora and such still expect you to reinstall? |
| 02:05.20 | gravity | Yeah |
| 02:05.21 | bob2 | lightbright: no |
| 02:05.24 | lightbright | bob2: that I need to consider. |
| 02:05.25 | bob2 | lightbright: just don't load ide-scsi |
| 02:05.26 | omckinley | yeah they do...even with yum |
| 02:05.27 | gravity | Last I heard anyway |
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| 02:05.45 | lightbright | bob2: the emulation? |
| 02:05.58 | directhex | you need an install cd to have any hope of upgrading fedora |
| 02:06.00 | lightbright | bob2:I did the ide scsi emulation thing. |
| 02:06.07 | bob2 | lightbright: don't use that anymore |
| 02:06.10 | bob2 | directhex: all 4 of them? |
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| 02:06.22 | directhex | bob2, yes. |
| 02:06.28 | lightbright | bob2: that was probably why it didnt work! |
| 02:06.30 | omckinley | that's something that so turns me off rpm distros, having to visit them in person to do a major version upgrade |
| 02:06.41 | bob2 | directhex: that's pretty shitty |
| 02:06.55 | directhex | bob2, yes |
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| 02:07.13 | _zao_ | how do i set ulimit for all services / users ? |
| 02:07.47 | Dorado | whats the "Debian Way" of getting the system to not add a network route for a particular interface, modifying /etc/network/interfaces perhaps? (Sid) |
| 02:07.55 | bob2 | yes |
| 02:08.06 | lightbright | bob2: thanks there's hope. I was so close. did that darn howto at least 7 times now. The backup2cdrw i did with knoppix. (which doesn't like me messing with the fstab) |
| 02:08.10 | Pumpkin_Pie | when I use kill -9 does it leave miscellaneous data in ram? |
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| 02:08.25 | Pumpkin_Pie | are there any negative things about using kill -9 |
| 02:08.32 | bob2 | Pumpkin_Pie: no |
| 02:08.33 | bob2 | Pumpkin_Pie: yes |
| 02:08.39 | lightbright | bob2: there was too much stuff in knoppix anyway. |
| 02:08.43 | bob2 | it kills programs without letting them do stuff they might want to do |
| 02:08.46 | bob2 | like flush caches |
| 02:09.11 | Pumpkin_Pie | bob2: whats a better way to kill the program ? |
| 02:09.31 | bob2 | Pumpkin_Pie: TERM |
| 02:09.34 | bob2 | ie the default |
| 02:09.42 | Pumpkin_Pie | kill pid? |
| 02:09.47 | bob2 | yes |
| 02:09.48 | Epix | why does the install guide tell me to NOT install LiLO? |
| 02:10.02 | Pumpkin_Pie | bob2: that _never_ seems to work |
| 02:10.07 | gravity | Epix: It's probably recommending grub instead |
| 02:10.12 | bob2 | Pumpkin_Pie: then you're using horribly fucked up programs |
| 02:10.18 | bob2 | since that should almost always work |
| 02:10.19 | nevyn | epix: because grub is much better? |
| 02:10.48 | lightbright | bob2: I use lilo... i like it. my knoodles were cooked by the time I got to grub. and wasn't ready to digest more. |
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| 02:11.19 | sparr | whats a quick way to replace every instance of 'foo' in a file with 'bar'? |
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| 02:11.29 | Epix | does 'install the base system' install lilo or grub and configure it? if not, it says nowhere to install a booter thingy |
| 02:11.41 | gravity | sparr: man sed |
| 02:11.41 | Nooby | does somebody know how i make palo/ipl boot into single user mode ? |
| 02:11.42 | resiak | sparr: perl -pi.bak -e 's/foo/bar/g' file |
| 02:11.45 | jarango | dondelelcaro: are you there ? |
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| 02:11.58 | FieldySnuts | say no |
| 02:12.02 | bob2 | Nooby: the HPPA bootloader? |
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| 02:12.11 | Nooby | bob2 : yes |
| 02:12.12 | rage_ | any sasl/postfix gurus here? ;] I'm having a little trouble, I use sasl2-mysql, and i can see it checking the DB when a user authenticates, but authentication still fails. I'm using md5 i think on the db, and i have md5-digest and cram-md5 enabled in mech list, anyonw know where i might have gone wrong? |
| 02:12.20 | bob2 | Nooby: try asking on the debian-hppa list |
| 02:12.21 | dondelelcaro | jarango: yeah, what's the question? |
| 02:12.27 | lightbright | bob2: thanks. I'm going to try again. without the emulation. when I download the kernel ther's hardly anything configured in it. Is that the way it comes on a Debian distro? |
| 02:12.34 | bob2 | rage_: have you read craig small's guide? |
| 02:12.38 | rage_ | yes |
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| 02:12.48 | bob2 | rage_: and you have PLAIN auth working? |
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| 02:13.22 | rage_ | no, i haven't tested plain auth |
| 02:13.31 | bob2 | then get that working first |
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| 02:13.36 | jarango | dondelelcaro: for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 as an example, what would be the append-to-version and revision parameters ? |
| 02:13.48 | rage_ | heh, not sure how, but i spose back to google for me |
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| 02:14.00 | dondelelcaro | jarango: -$(hostname) and $(date +'%Y%m%d') respectively. |
| 02:14.09 | Nooby | bob2 : googled for it but it still asks me Give root password for maintenance |
| 02:14.09 | Nooby | (or type Control-D for normal startup): |
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| 02:14.23 | bob2 | rage_: er, didn't you say you'd read craig's guide? |
| 02:14.27 | bob2 | that's what it explains how to do |
| 02:14.37 | bob2 | Nooby: awesome, but debian-hppa@lists.d.o |
| 02:14.38 | ytripppy | when i press ctrl+alt+- i get a diff. resolution. how do i make that permamanent |
| 02:14.52 | jarango | dondelelcaro: but the file name is kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686_2.6.8-13_i386.deb |
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| 02:15.32 | ytripppy | i think im using fluxbox |
| 02:15.44 | dondelelcaro | jarango: that's because you used 2.6.8-13 as your kernel revision, and 686 as your append-to-version, which, while valid, doesn't make much sense. |
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| 02:16.34 | iwilcox | When "apt-cache policy <pkg>" lists more than one source for a version of a package, at different priorities, how do you tell which is the effective one? I have: "*** 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10.1unichrome30.1 0" listed at both "500 http://www.physik.fu-berlin.de unichrome/ Packages" and "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status". |
| 02:16.56 | jarango | dondelelcaro: Ok, that's what I wanted to know... BTW, that's not my kernel image, that's one provided by apt-get |
| 02:17.12 | bob2 | iwilcox: "effective" = ? |
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| 02:17.25 | bob2 | iwilcox: *** means "this is the one I'll install if you ask me to get this package" |
| 02:17.29 | rfauth | hello |
| 02:17.34 | bob2 | iwilcox: /var/lib/dpkg/status is the name of the one actually installed |
| 02:17.45 | iwilcox | bob2: The one apt will prefer. Doesn't seem to make sense to have the "500" one. And *** is not the one apt wants to install. |
| 02:17.56 | dondelelcaro | jarango: yeah, those kernels are a bit wierd. You can pretty much use whatever you want for append-to-version and revision, but I find that the hostname and the date are the best (or at least, most useful) values. |
| 02:18.18 | bob2 | iwilcox: hm? |
| 02:18.35 | bob2 | iwilcox: what do you mean be "doesn't seem to make senese" ...? |
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| 02:19.12 | Pumpkin_Pie | does kill -HUP send term ? |
| 02:19.18 | bob2 | no |
| 02:19.21 | bob2 | it sends HUP |
| 02:19.29 | bob2 | = "omg your terminal is going away!" |
| 02:19.35 | gravity | Pumpkin_Pie: man kill has all the different signals |
| 02:19.35 | iwilcox | bob2: Well, surely if version X is both locally installed and available from a source, the priority of the "available from a source" version is irrelevant? |
| 02:19.37 | bob2 | a lot of programs will die when they get that |
| 02:19.50 | kaplanfx | Anyone here have a Dell 2001FP monitor? |
| 02:19.51 | bob2 | iwilcox: hm? no. |
| 02:19.52 | samuel | to udev or not to udev? i find that udev is the culprit for not being able to sync with palm... can i safely take udev out of the system? |
| 02:20.01 | bob2 | iwilcox: the priority of the sources can change with time |
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| 02:20.16 | bob2 | iwilcox: so running apt-get install blah again might downgrade the version, for instance |
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| 02:20.23 | bob2 | samuel: no, it's not the culprit |
| 02:20.25 | freddy | samuel: most likely, it should leave behind all the standard devices. |
| 02:20.36 | bob2 | the culprit is your driver sucking and not creating hotplug events |
| 02:20.46 | bob2 | iwilcox: that will only happen if you play pinning games |
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| 02:20.54 | freddy | but he can safely remove it which is what I meant |
| 02:20.59 | Epix | is jigdo recomended? |
| 02:20.59 | tonylappy | anyone have an idea why I have to ifup eth1 (wireless) after booting even though /etc/network/interfaces has eth1 as auto? |
| 02:21.08 | jarango | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:21.20 | bob2 | Epix: yes |
| 02:21.30 | bob2 | Epix: if you want to get isos at all |
| 02:21.38 | freddy | tonylappy: maybe the module hasn't been loaded by the time it tries to bring up the interface? |
| 02:21.39 | fx-br | Guys, could anyone explain me it: xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 [50,4MB]? How xserver-xfree86 had 5,5MB and now have 50MB? I'm using Debian SID |
| 02:21.58 | samuel | bob2, it seems as if udev is waiting for hotplug or something to recognize the palm, and it does, but... i really dont know... any ideas on what might cause it then? |
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| 02:22.15 | samuel | freddy, even if it does not i can make them no? |
| 02:22.16 | iwilcox | bob2: Hmm. Without pasting this (slightly long) policy output I can't really phrase the question. Feh. |
| 02:22.20 | tonylappy | freddy: thx. good point! |
| 02:22.45 | Noob | Hello everybody I just finished installing Debian, the pc is acting a little slow is there a command to speed things up |
| 02:23.06 | rfauth | #get-new-computer |
| 02:23.08 | samuel | bob2, thats it! but what can i do to fix that? anything? |
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| 02:23.46 | Noob | No I'm not a troll |
| 02:24.03 | freddy | samuel: make the devices? yes if udev/hotplug does not create the devices you can always make the by hand |
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| 02:24.08 | Epix | bob2: ok... and why are there 12 jigdo files... |
| 02:24.09 | tonylappy | Noob: try hdparm on the system HD |
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| 02:24.19 | gravity | Noob: What kind of machine is this? |
| 02:24.24 | j3di` | having trouble adding a user, anyone wanna do me a walkthrough |
| 02:24.36 | Noob | Dell demension 8200 |
| 02:24.48 | rfauth | it should run nice on that |
| 02:24.48 | gravity | j3di`: su to root, adduser username |
| 02:24.56 | j3di` | not that simple. |
| 02:24.59 | Noob | everything was working fine until I tried to install the Nvdia driver |
| 02:25.05 | j3di` | i need a custom home directory and group |
| 02:25.43 | resiak | j3di`: You what? |
| 02:25.44 | gravity | j3di`: man adduser has the details for those things |
| 02:25.51 | j3di` | yeah.. its in greek |
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| 02:25.54 | orchid | adduser --home /path |
| 02:25.55 | j3di` | thats why i'm here |
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| 02:26.01 | j3di` | tried that it said |
| 02:26.02 | dEa | hi |
| 02:26.10 | rfauth | Noob, what driver is listed in lsmod? |
| 02:26.17 | j3di` | Warning: The home dir you specified already exists. |
| 02:26.18 | Noob | let me see |
| 02:26.41 | rfauth | nv or nvidia? |
| 02:26.56 | Noob | says comand not found thats strange |
| 02:27.00 | gravity | j3di`: What did you use? /home? |
| 02:27.01 | dEa | is Gnome desktop working in debian sarge or no, i have tryed to install it 2 weeks and still i cant install it :( |
| 02:27.17 | Noob | should I type that coomad as root |
| 02:27.19 | Azra`el | Noob: /sbin/lsmod if you're not root. |
| 02:27.30 | bob2 | iwilcox: #flood, dude |
| 02:27.30 | dEa | what is the fasted and correct way to install gnome desktop ? |
| 02:27.38 | bob2 | samuel: it's a bug in the serial driver, aiui |
| 02:27.40 | iwilcox | bob2: Would you be so kind as to have a look at something in #flood for me if I paste there? |
| 02:27.45 | bob2 | Epix: there are 12 cds |
| 02:27.46 | bob2 | iwilcox: sure |
| 02:28.07 | Noob | A big list just poped up with a buch of stuff |
| 02:28.23 | rfauth | yes look for nv or nvidia |
| 02:28.24 | jarango | dondelelcaro: Will it work if I use the kernel's "make" while I am making changes, then use "make-kpkg" once I am ready to build a package ? |
| 02:28.54 | dEa | what is the fasted and correct way to install gnome desktop in sarge? |
| 02:28.59 | iwilcox | bob2: Cheers. So, when 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 from unstable is compared against the unichrome one, is it compared as priority 500 vs 100 or 500 vs 500? |
| 02:29.27 | Azra`el | Noob: /sbin/lsmod | grep nv (it'll show either one) |
| 02:29.27 | bob2 | iwilcox: do you have a /etc/apt/preferences file? |
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| 02:29.28 | gravity | j3di`: Just talk in the channel please, so anyone can jump in and help |
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| 02:29.29 | iwilcox | bob2: Nope, I just APT::Default-Release "testing" |
| 02:29.29 | dondelelcaro | jarango: you can use make menuconfig; et al... then use make-kpkg; |
| 02:29.29 | Noob | ok I'll yype that cause I dont see Nvdia listed |
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| 02:29.40 | bob2 | iwilcox: ah |
| 02:29.41 | gravity | j3di`: What you probably need to do is use /var/tub/username or whatever |
| 02:30.03 | j3di` | i dont want the username in the directory |
| 02:30.07 | j3di` | :) |
| 02:30.13 | rfauth | Noob: did the driver install without errors? |
| 02:30.21 | samuel | bob2, also in the usb driver? or does that use the same code? |
| 02:30.23 | mark__ | how would i find out what my primary and secondary dns servers are? |
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| 02:30.26 | bob2 | samuel: I don't know |
| 02:30.27 | gravity | j3di`: Well, you have to specify the exact directory name, not the directory which it will sit in |
| 02:30.34 | Azra`el | mark: call your ISP |
| 02:30.36 | gravity | j3di`: If that directory already exists, you can't use it |
| 02:30.36 | dEa | can someone help me |
| 02:30.38 | bob2 | samuel: I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, I've just read a bit about it |
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| 02:30.43 | j3di` | that IS the exact directory |
| 02:30.45 | bob2 | iwilcox: hrm |
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| 02:30.54 | gravity | dEa: Just ask your question. If someone can help you they will |
| 02:30.56 | rfauth | mark__: call your internet provider |
| 02:30.59 | gravity | j3di`: Does the directory already exist? |
| 02:31.00 | Noob | I dont thin th4e driver installed |
| 02:31.05 | dEa | is Gnome desktop working in debian sarge or no, i have tryed to install it 2 weeks and still i cant install it :( |
| 02:31.07 | iwilcox | bob2: The real problem is "keep unichrome xserver installed", and the fix is "use a pinning", but I wanna make really sure I understand why apt prefers the unstable version, first. |
| 02:31.08 | dEa | what is the fasted and correct way to install gnome desktop in sarge? |
| 02:31.11 | bob2 | iwilcox: it's possible I'm stupid and *** means "currently instealled version" |
| 02:31.12 | j3di` | i wanna add user: tim , group: ftp, home: /var/tub |
| 02:31.17 | Noob | All I see is a bunch of lines that read auto clean |
| 02:31.17 | bob2 | iwilcox: using pinning is kinda bad |
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| 02:31.25 | rfauth | apt-get install gnome |
| 02:31.27 | bob2 | iwilcox: I'd just get dpkg to put it on hold |
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| 02:31.31 | j3di` | yes the directory already exists |
| 02:31.43 | dEa | rfauth: thats it ? |
| 02:31.50 | gravity | j3di`: Try the --no-create-home option |
| 02:31.52 | iwilcox | bob2: But I do want updates to the unichrome version if they appear. |
| 02:31.53 | Epix | ok, would jigdo tell me if i was screwing it up? :P |
| 02:31.54 | mark__ | rfauth lol but how would i do it if i get the info via dhcp ifconfig does not show it |
| 02:31.54 | samuel | bob2, thanks, ill read some more... thing is it seems that lots of ppl have problems, but some can connect... |
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| 02:31.59 | bob2 | iwilcox: oh |
| 02:31.59 | gravity | j3di`: In addition to specifying the /var/tub as home dir |
| 02:32.06 | j3di` | ahhh |
| 02:32.07 | j3di` | ok |
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| 02:32.23 | bob2 | iwilcox: pinning is what you "want" I guess, then |
| 02:32.26 | iwilcox | bob2: Sorry, my bad for not saying... |
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| 02:32.40 | bob2 | tho it almost always seems like a bad idea to me |
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| 02:32.46 | gravity | Nobody wants pinning, even when they want it, like me |
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| 02:32.51 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:32.53 | dEa | rfauth: its need also xserver-xfree86 and gdm |
| 02:32.59 | gravity | experimental sucks |
| 02:33.10 | dondelelcaro | gravity: eh? it has it's usees. |
| 02:33.19 | iwilcox | bob2: OK, cheers muchly for your help/time :) |
| 02:33.23 | Ronin | dEa: so install them too then |
| 02:33.26 | bob2 | iwilcox: sorry I can't be of more use |
| 02:33.29 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It's just a pain for me. I'm trying to pull specific packages from it and it's been nothing but trouble. |
| 02:33.39 | bob2 | I've never really used it except in the "disabling it" sense ;) |
| 02:33.41 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I need to re-read the pinning docs |
| 02:33.48 | dEa | Ronin: it dont work! i think thats very bug :( |
| 02:33.54 | dondelelcaro | gravity: well, there's nothing unusual about that... you have to specifically install packages from it. |
| 02:33.56 | j3di` | great: adduser: No options allowed after names. |
| 02:34.04 | Noob | mIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SO WITH THAT AUTO CLEAN |
| 02:34.05 | dondelelcaro | gravity: you'll probably be better off using something like aptitude |
| 02:34.10 | Noob | Sorry for the caps |
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| 02:34.12 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I do use aptitude :-) |
| 02:34.29 | dondelelcaro | gravity: well, then it's pretty easy. Figure out the package that you want, + it, then + it's dependencies. |
| 02:34.52 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Well, I don't want stuff in experimental installing over stuff from unstable unless I explicitly say so or need it |
| 02:34.58 | gravity | That's been a bit problematic |
| 02:35.08 | Noob | is there a way to update the computer to make it run faster I'm useing Sarge |
| 02:35.13 | dondelelcaro | gravity: experimental is pinned that way by default. |
| 02:35.28 | gartt | Can linux serve just as fast/stable as fbsd? |
| 02:35.36 | gartt | No, I'm not trolling, just wondering |
| 02:35.37 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Hm... then maybe it was library dep versioning issues. aptitude wanted to remove a lot of stuff |
| 02:35.45 | gravity | I need to try again later |
| 02:36.28 | dondelelcaro | gravity: oh, that part happens... experimental isn't always compatible with sid. |
| 02:36.28 | Epix | did i have to get 1-12 of the jigdo files from the debian mirror. |
| 02:36.28 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Although the purpose is to package something that uses experimental libs for experimental, but I can't do that until NEW is processed anyway, so... :-) |
| 02:36.28 | Epix | i told jigdo to do |
| 02:36.28 | Epix | file{1,2,3,4-12}.jigdo |
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| 02:36.45 | dondelelcaro | Epix: you don't need all of the isos, you only need the first one. |
| 02:36.45 | Epix | shit |
| 02:36.45 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I didn't have the time to really examine the issue in depth. |
| 02:36.45 | dondelelcaro | Epix: and not even that, you can get away with a netinst iso. |
| 02:36.46 | dondelelcaro | Epix: read the install manual. |
| 02:36.51 | gravity | 15meg download and you're good to go! |
| 02:37.06 | gravity | !tell sakroot__ about away |
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| 02:37.58 | gartt | Does linux use kernel queues? |
| 02:38.19 | gravity | kernel queues? What does that mean? |
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| 02:38.40 | gartt | lol I dunno, fbsd has it though, and I'm wondering if linux does as well |
| 02:38.45 | bob2 | gartt: epoll is the equivalent |
| 02:38.53 | bob2 | they're usually called kqueues on freebsd |
| 02:39.03 | gartt | Thanks bob2 |
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| 02:39.16 | Epix | dondelelcaro: im just gonna get all of iso one... k? |
| 02:39.20 | mark__ | can anyone tell me how to find out what my dhcp configured dns servers are? |
| 02:39.27 | bob2 | mark__: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:40.10 | Epix | once im in debian, will i never have to burn more isos, because apt-get can do all that for me? :):) plz say yes |
| 02:40.12 | mark__ | bob2 thank you |
| 02:40.27 | Epix | ... |
| 02:40.28 | bob2 | Epix: you don't even neccessarily have to burn isos now |
| 02:40.37 | Epix | bob2: i know... |
| 02:40.47 | Epix | bob2: i could do NFS install |
| 02:41.01 | dEa | how i can install gnome desktop in debian sarge pls help if know somethink! |
| 02:41.02 | Epix | but i like 1 hard copy of my OS... |
| 02:41.12 | Epix | so i can sneek onto friends computers :) |
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| 02:44.29 | dEa | do this command install correctly in debian 3.1 sarge gnome ? apt-get install gnome-core x-window-system |
| 02:44.32 | baroni | Hi all. I'm starting setting up a email system in my home linux machine. I wanna get and send email from/to the gmail server and have a mail server here to the local users exchange email between them. As I'm finding, seems that all that I need is fetchmail (to get from gmail), postfix (to send to gmail), procmail (to put each email to each local home user), and imap (to let get local mail), and bind (to inform the email exchange in my home machine to the e |
| 02:44.32 | baroni | mails servers). Is that correct ? |
| 02:45.48 | gangalee | where can I find libglib2.4.8-1 dev? |
| 02:45.51 | baroni | .. or if all this is wrong, please, could anyone point me a good url? |
| 02:46.08 | Epix | heh... who ever admins our school's comps is a retard... |
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| 02:46.21 | robertg | Epix, lol, they always are |
| 02:46.26 | robertg | especially when they run Windows Server 2003 |
| 02:46.29 | Epix | i could SO put a knoppix CD in there and then poink, ... cfdisk on ur ass |
| 02:47.01 | robertg | yep ;) |
| 02:47.10 | robertg | but our network is all stored on network disks |
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| 02:47.17 | xarg | how do i confiugre exim to relay for domains whose local delivery occurs on a remote machine |
| 02:47.18 | robertg | but there are still exploits i believe |
| 02:47.34 | bob2 | xarg: "eximconfig" on woody |
| 02:47.37 | Epix | windows = little security. linux = lotsa security. linux into windows = exploit security :D |
| 02:47.55 | xarg | bob2: sarge |
| 02:48.06 | Epix | robertg: heh, my old school was a LAN... packet sniffered |
| 02:48.08 | bob2 | baroni: yeah |
| 02:48.14 | bob2 | xarg: sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 02:48.37 | robertg | Epix, lmao. |
| 02:48.38 | Epix | i like how gentoo has 700+ people in its chat room |
| 02:48.41 | robertg | we have a LAN and a WLAN |
| 02:48.43 | mark__ | has anyone here installed mono on sarge? |
| 02:48.53 | Epix | robertg: s/lan/hub |
| 02:48.56 | robertg | the WLAN isn't even WEP'd |
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| 02:49.06 | xarg | bob2 but the config script doesn't ask what machine will be the actual endpoint for which domain |
| 02:49.15 | baroni | thanks bob2 |
| 02:49.19 | robertg | Epix, ahh yeah |
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| 02:49.36 | bob2 | xarg: if you want to do magic like that, you need to learn to edit the file yourself |
| 02:49.44 | Epix | robertg: well, my school's server is a harddrive on some computer at OCDSB's main office |
| 02:49.56 | robertg | haha. |
| 02:50.06 | robertg | Epix: OCDSB |
| 02:50.07 | robertg | ? |
| 02:50.21 | Epix | robertg: Ottawa Carleton District School Board |
| 02:50.24 | gangalee | where can I find libglib2.4.8-1 dev? |
| 02:50.33 | Epix | robertg: ocdsb.edu.on.ca |
| 02:50.35 | robertg | Ahh. |
| 02:51.06 | Epix | robertg: sarah_roberts@ocdsb.edu.on.ca (my homeroom teacher... THE BITCH!!!) |
| 02:51.11 | robertg | haha. |
| 02:51.16 | robertg | you're in high school? |
| 02:51.21 | xarg | bob2: that much I know but the "relaying" section in the exim spec is not a whole lotta help |
| 02:51.27 | Epix | robertg: close |
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| 02:51.35 | bob2 | xarg: #exim is useful, and they have a good list |
| 02:51.36 | robertg | Epix: middle? |
| 02:51.39 | Epix | :) |
| 02:51.43 | robertg | :o! |
| 02:51.44 | xarg | bob2: thanks |
| 02:51.46 | bob2 | Epix: er |
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| 02:51.51 | Epix | robertg: gr 8... |
| 02:51.56 | robertg | Epix: how old? |
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| 02:51.58 | Epix | 13 |
| 02:51.59 | bob2 | Epix: you're not going to mention anyone's email address in here again, or you will be banned |
| 02:52.08 | Epix | bob2: sorry :( |
| 02:52.11 | gartt | :| Why would I have to use an openmosix kernel for linux and only have to use clusterit for fbsd and barely have to change anything? Is there any way around having to change the kernel? |
| 02:52.11 | robertg | Epix: rofl nice, and on #debian |
| 02:52.17 | robertg | Epix: i'm 15 :) |
| 02:52.31 | Epix | robertg: yea, ive been using linux since i was like... 10 |
| 02:52.31 | robertg | Epix: i wasn't doing linux when i was 13 though... or at least not that much heh |
| 02:52.49 | ricochet | Question, my browser is taking way to long to look up domain names because it seems to not be caching them and sadly, browsers in windows are considerable faster. Am I missing something or is this just how it works? |
| 02:53.00 | robertg | run a caching server |
| 02:53.06 | Epix | bob2: i was not aware of that rule... makes sense though. |
| 02:53.32 | gartt | bob2: do you know if there's any way around that? |
| 02:53.33 | robertg | anyhow -- back to nevow docs |
| 02:53.47 | robertg | ! |
| 02:54.02 | holycow | ahhhh ... to be 10 and l33t |
| 02:54.07 | holycow | Epix, whats it like? |
| 02:54.08 | bob2 | gartt: around? |
| 02:54.08 | holycow | >_> |
| 02:54.11 | Epix | holycow: :D |
| 02:54.14 | bob2 | Epix: it's not a rule, it's common sense |
| 02:54.14 | robertg | ho1ycow: lol |
| 02:54.22 | Epix | bob2: yea... im sorry |
| 02:54.31 | ricochet | robertg, caching server? bind? shouldn't this be a default course of action? |
| 02:54.32 | robertg | i only became 1337 at 11 |
| 02:54.32 | robertg | :/ |
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| 02:54.53 | robertg | that was when i discovered how much windows sucks |
| 02:55.00 | robertg | but i didn't do anything about it |
| 02:55.03 | Epix | bob2: wait, i think its ok if you say your own email address :P |
| 02:55.14 | robertg | Epix: forget it :) |
| 02:55.14 | bob2 | ricochet: disabling ipv6 might help |
| 02:55.15 | gartt | bob2, afaik, if I want to cluster debian comps, I have to use an openmosix kernels-- but on fbsd there's just an application that can do that, without having to do much-- Is there any other way to do it on linux? |
| 02:55.30 | bob2 | gartt: depends what you mean by cluster |
| 02:55.42 | robertg | Epix: do any development of sorts? |
| 02:55.44 | Epix | JIGDO is at G! |
| 02:55.47 | gartt | bob2, Like a mosix cluster |
| 02:55.50 | bob2 | gartt: openmosix more or less glue them into one machine, and I'd be utterly shocked if there's a userspace app that does that on freebsd |
| 02:55.50 | robertg | jigdo sucks |
| 02:55.57 | robertg | just d/l the netinst |
| 02:56.02 | Epix | robertg: i dabble in Python and do some PHP |
| 02:56.24 | bob2 | you do need to move on from dabbling at some point |
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| 02:56.25 | gravity | kids these days and their php |
| 02:56.25 | robertg | Epix: ahh |
| 02:56.27 | holycow | i personally dabble in dabbling |
| 02:56.33 | holycow | personally that is |
| 02:56.33 | Epix | robertg: no... :P i want a full copy so i can install it on non-neted boxes. |
| 02:56.34 | robertg | gravity: my feelings exactly |
| 02:56.39 | gartt | http://www.garbled.net/clusterit.html that's what I was reading, bob2-- You'd be better to compare them than me |
| 02:56.49 | boukensya | hey guys.. is there a way I can get the quicktime plugin working in firefox? |
| 02:56.50 | robertg | Epix: get the shit you need |
| 02:56.57 | robertg | Epix: the default iso includes a crapload of ... crap |
| 02:57.10 | robertg | and it takes forever :D |
| 02:57.10 | bob2 | yes |
| 02:57.17 | holycow | gravity, haha y'know? why way back in may day in 91, we coded in javascript and we liked it! |
| 02:57.17 | bob2 | the cd team spend weeks loading it with useless shit |
| 02:57.22 | Epix | robertg: ok, dl the netinst package? |
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| 02:57.30 | robertg | Epix: yeah. |
| 02:57.36 | robertg | holycow: hahah |
| 02:57.40 | gravity | holycow: Javascript? Man... it was C for me back then |
| 02:57.42 | bob2 | they gather all the popcon data, decide what should be on the first cd based on popularity, then throw it away and replace it with Athena debv libraries |
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| 02:57.54 | holycow | gravity, :) hehe |
| 02:57.59 | robertg | i want to learn some old-school language, like PASCAL |
| 02:58.02 | gravity | ATHENA ROCKS! |
| 02:58.03 | Epix | robertg: what do you dabble in :P? |
| 02:58.04 | robertg | but i have no reason |
| 02:58.17 | holycow | i also did a semester of vb back then |
| 02:58.17 | gravity | robertg: If you do, there's a few good apps written in pascal out there that could use some love in Debian |
| 02:58.20 | holycow | i'm still scarred |
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| 02:58.44 | travisat | pascal was the first language I learned |
| 02:58.46 | dEa | whitch X server driver i must chose for ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c)? |
| 02:58.51 | dEa | ati ? |
| 02:58.56 | robertg | Epix: C++, Python, PHP, VB .NET/C# .NET (ughh, disgusting), JavaScript/HTML/CSS (client-side isn't my thing), some ASM, blablabla |
| 02:59.00 | robertg | more I can't think of :p |
| 02:59.04 | bob2 | gartt: interesting |
| 02:59.13 | robertg | gravity: i'll think about it :P |
| 02:59.19 | Epix | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is this what i need? |
| 02:59.24 | bob2 | ricochet: how do you declare a pure virtual class in C++? |
| 02:59.28 | travisat | Epix: yeah |
| 02:59.30 | robertg | the first one |
| 02:59.33 | robertg | netinst |
| 02:59.37 | dEa | help pls |
| 02:59.42 | dEa | whitch X server driver i must chose for ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c)? |
| 02:59.43 | robertg | or you can do a bizcard |
| 02:59.43 | ricochet | bob2, you meant to ask me that? |
| 02:59.45 | dEa | ati ? |
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| 03:00.18 | mark__ | can anyone here help me get mono working??? |
| 03:00.26 | robertg | why would you want Mono/ |
| 03:00.28 | multi_io | when copying the debian package lists/cache (not the database of installed packages) from one host to another, what files do I have to copy? |
| 03:00.30 | robertg | it's .NET! |
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| 03:00.57 | Epix | robertg: aient python da bomba? |
| 03:00.58 | holycow | can anyone here help me get mono working??? <-- WHEW! if i didn't read that last word we would of had some 'trouble 'round here |
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| 03:01.00 | holycow | >_> |
| 03:01.01 | holycow | <_< |
| 03:01.10 | j3di` | how do i remove directories that are not empty |
| 03:01.12 | mark__ | robertg because i like .NET |
| 03:01.12 | robertg | Epix: ind"33d" |
| 03:01.14 | j3di` | easily |
| 03:01.14 | multi_io | is there a summary somewhere about which files make up Debian's package database and package list? |
| 03:01.17 | jstevens | multi_io, is there a reason you are doing that instead of just copying the /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 03:01.19 | robertg | mark__: http://www.mono-project.com/using/index.html |
| 03:01.26 | robertg | perhaps, start with the docs |
| 03:01.43 | travisat | j3di`: rm -r foo |
| 03:01.47 | multi_io | jstevens: my uplink to the internet isn'T that fast. apt-get update takes a while |
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| 03:02.01 | multi_io | I plan to use apt-proxy in the future |
| 03:02.01 | j3di` | perfect |
| 03:02.18 | Epix | robertg: what does the netinst ISO give me? |
| 03:02.25 | multi_io | but just for now I'd like to copy the result of apt-get update from one host to another |
| 03:02.25 | robertg | base system |
| 03:02.30 | robertg | that's about it |
| 03:02.34 | robertg | but it's fast as hell |
| 03:02.38 | robertg | to download |
| 03:02.44 | robertg | then you can configure it however you want; that's a given |
| 03:03.08 | robertg | you'll have a nice blank shell staring you in the face |
| 03:03.10 | robertg | :) |
| 03:03.31 | Epix | robertg: then we.... APT_GET LIKE MAD] |
| 03:03.34 | gravity | Woohoo! My first star-merge! |
| 03:03.38 | robertg | wow it's getting late -- only 5hr 40 mins of sleep last night. |
| 03:03.38 | mark__ | robertg already looked at that and could find the solution |
| 03:03.43 | robertg | Epix: yep :D |
| 03:03.43 | gravity | And I didn't break my archive! |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | gravity: you have the power! |
| 03:03.49 | robertg | mark__: solution to what? |
| 03:03.57 | abrotman | what's a star merge? |
| 03:03.57 | gravity | abrotman: It's intoxicating |
| 03:04.06 | gravity | abrotman: A concept from arch |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | is this like .. blue dwarf and red giant colliding ? |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | thank god |
| 03:04.19 | gravity | Yeah, the earth is safe |
| 03:04.19 | Epix | now that i realise how it works, apt-get seems to be the best package manager out there |
| 03:04.21 | abrotman | gravity: you mean TLA arch ? |
| 03:04.22 | gravity | For now! |
| 03:04.24 | gravity | abrotman: Yep |
| 03:04.49 | robertg | mark__: if you're really lazy just get rpm, and install the rpm |
| 03:04.50 | resiak | mark__: Mono's only in sid at the moment. |
| 03:04.54 | gravity | Epix: The secret isn't that apt-get is so great, but that Debian packages get a lot of attention generally and confine themselves to a strict policy |
| 03:05.03 | gravity | Epix: Few people seem to realize or understand this though |
| 03:05.05 | jstevens | multi_io, well, if I were to guess... seeing as how the man-pages show /var/cache/apt .... I'd try copying the /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and /var/cacle/apt/srcpkgcache.bin files |
| 03:05.05 | robertg | there are rpms |
| 03:05.20 | mark__ | robertg i have it installed but it is not working right every time i try to browse to a aspx page it tries to download it rather then display it and i cant figure out what is wrong with it |
| 03:05.29 | jstevens | multi_io, and of course, make sure the sources.list file was identical between machines |
| 03:05.30 | robertg | what web server? |
| 03:05.35 | robertg | mark__: XSP or apache? |
| 03:05.40 | Epix | gravity: huh? |
| 03:05.43 | mark__ | robertg how do i install and rpm in debian? |
| 03:05.48 | robertg | apt-get install rpm |
| 03:05.49 | Epix | gravity: strict what? |
| 03:05.50 | mark__ | apache |
| 03:06.03 | gravity | Epix: Policy. Google for "Debian Policy" real quick and you'll see what I mean |
| 03:06.06 | gravity | Epix: No other distro has it |
| 03:06.16 | gravity | mark__: alien |
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| 03:06.31 | gravity | mark__: alien is far preferrable to using the rpm program itself in debian |
| 03:06.34 | jstevens | mark__: use alien |
| 03:06.34 | mark__ | robertg i have been looking at the apache2 config and cant figure out why it wont work |
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| 03:06.35 | fumbalah | any one have any experience with lyra mp3 players and how to mont them |
| 03:06.38 | fumbalah | mount* |
| 03:06.39 | robertg | don't listen to me about rpm |
| 03:06.45 | robertg | listen to gravity / jstevens |
| 03:06.48 | robertg | i don't do much rpm stuff |
| 03:07.05 | robertg | mark__: did you load the module? did you add a handler for it? |
| 03:07.20 | j3di` | is there a way to view all users |
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| 03:07.27 | Epix | gravity: woah! making packages must be hard :P |
| 03:07.33 | inc|freaky | all beginning problems solved, debian up and running almost good now :) |
| 03:07.41 | j3di` | or see if a user has an account? and maybe see info like home directory... |
| 03:07.45 | robertg | inc|freaky: good to hear it :P |
| 03:07.51 | gravity | Epix: It's not really, but it takes some time and effort to make them well |
| 03:08.01 | inc|freaky | :D the ppl in here helped me a lot, even i was going on their nerves in the end lol |
| 03:08.05 | robertg | j3di`: cat /etc/passwd |
| 03:08.19 | mark__ | robertg wasnt that supposed to have been done by the apache2 mods i installed (with apt) but it is in the mods-avail and mods-enables |
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| 03:08.31 | robertg | you got mod_mono with that? |
| 03:08.37 | jstevens | mark__: before installing an rpm, look got a .deb ... lots of apps out there are packaged in .deb |
| 03:08.46 | robertg | jstevens: i don't think mono is... |
| 03:08.49 | robertg | maybe it is though |
| 03:08.54 | robertg | in sid? |
| 03:09.05 | gravity | mono is in sid, definitely |
| 03:09.07 | gravity | I'm running it now |
| 03:09.09 | robertg | never mind |
| 03:09.10 | robertg | it is |
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| 03:09.20 | robertg | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/libapache-mod-mono |
| 03:09.31 | inc|freaky | i like quanta lol |
| 03:09.38 | robertg | i feel like a dumbass -- i've been wrong twice! :P |
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| 03:09.42 | abrotman | gravity: i did find out today ... no mono for sarge |
| 03:09.47 | gravity | Here's why it's not in sarge: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=mono |
| 03:09.48 | abrotman | unless sarge takes another 6 monhts |
| 03:09.49 | robertg | abrotman: yes |
| 03:09.57 | mark__ | robertg ya i have and unstable source in my source.list and i am installing in mixed mode |
| 03:09.59 | inc|freaky | im running sarge :) |
| 03:10.15 | baroni | does anybody knows if there is some way to put color in the nick in the xchat? |
| 03:10.23 | holycow | abrotman, thats not entirely unlikely |
| 03:10.23 | baroni | (where to configure this) |
| 03:10.25 | holycow | >_> |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | holycow: i know |
| 03:10.36 | abrotman | baroni: color sucks |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | #xchat |
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| 03:11.15 | robertg | mark: so you've installed mono as well? |
| 03:11.19 | baroni | abrotman: but yourself is blue :). thanks |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | i'm red! |
| 03:11.32 | abrotman | i wanna be red! |
| 03:12.03 | robertg | maybe i should use unstable sources |
| 03:12.08 | robertg | i heard they're not too broken |
| 03:12.14 | dEa | =) |
| 03:12.21 | robertg | :/ |
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| 03:12.32 | dEa | abrotman re u gay |
| 03:12.41 | abrotman | !gay |
| 03:12.41 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 03:12.43 | Epix | i only got 6 gigs... to X or not to X? |
| 03:12.52 | gravity | mmmm... stimulation |
| 03:12.56 | robertg | lmao |
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| 03:13.19 | pipeline | Epix: A complete debian with X and gnome will fit in less than a gigabyte. |
| 03:13.31 | dEa | nono i just thought gays like red =) |
| 03:13.32 | pipeline | Epix: Easily. |
| 03:13.45 | gravity | uh...? |
| 03:13.46 | Epix | pipeline: what if i dont want gnome... what if i want something smaller :D! |
| 03:13.58 | robertg | Epix: get flux then |
| 03:13.59 | robertg | :p |
| 03:14.06 | pipeline | Epix: Obviously less still. Good luck finding decent applications that don't have a gnome dependency :P |
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| 03:14.08 | Epix | robertg: my thoughts exactly |
| 03:14.09 | abrotman | dEa: you can stop now |
| 03:14.17 | robertg | troll! :P |
| 03:14.22 | robertg | not you Epix |
| 03:14.27 | robertg | the world |
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| 03:14.36 | dEa | what? are you gay or not :) |
| 03:14.41 | Epix | pipeline: cant you run gnome programs in flux somehow? |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | dEa: keep it up .. get yourself in trouble |
| 03:14.48 | abrotman | dumbass |
| 03:14.49 | robertg | I think so |
| 03:14.50 | gravity | dEa: That's enough. Stop please. |
| 03:15.01 | lappy | hi, i am trying to use the synaptics touchpad but the tap doesnt work. |
| 03:15.02 | robertg | dEa: how old are you? 8? :P |
| 03:15.10 | dEa | okey okey |
| 03:15.12 | dEa | 22 |
| 03:15.13 | Epix | robertg: how :P? |
| 03:15.28 | Epix | wah!!! guitar effect processers get hot... |
| 03:15.35 | robertg | Epix: i haven't done it |
| 03:15.39 | robertg | actually i have |
| 03:15.42 | robertg | well |
| 03:15.56 | Epix | how |
| 03:15.58 | Epix | lol |
| 03:16.15 | robertg | ok no |
| 03:16.18 | robertg | i don't know |
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| 03:16.48 | robertg | you fools! you are distracting me from Nevow! |
| 03:16.58 | abrotman | !seen rahul |
| 03:16.58 | dpkg | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-170.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 124d 1h 7m 27s ago, saying: 'xmms: just use the debian installer....'. |
| 03:17.05 | abrotman | guess that wasn't him |
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| 03:17.29 | robertg | !seen godsmoke |
| 03:17.29 | dpkg | godsmoke is currently on #debian (21h 13m 3s). Has said a total of 89 messages. Is idling for 9h 21m 29s |
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| 03:17.56 | abrotman | lappy: are you the rahul of old ? |
| 03:17.58 | travisat | so who is this rahul |
| 03:18.02 | lappy | yeah |
| 03:18.06 | abrotman | as in |
| 03:18.09 | abrotman | !seen rahul |
| 03:18.09 | dpkg | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-170.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 124d 1h 8m 37s ago, saying: 'xmms: just use the debian installer....'. |
| 03:18.11 | abrotman | ?? |
| 03:18.19 | lappy | nope thats ont me |
| 03:18.19 | igraltist | hi |
| 03:18.28 | lappy | but incidentally, my name is rahul |
| 03:18.34 | abrotman | lappy: i noticed |
| 03:18.38 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 03:18.38 | dpkg | synaptics is probably http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 03:18.42 | robertg | incidentally, my name is Robert |
| 03:18.43 | robertg | ! |
| 03:18.45 | lappy | !lappy |
| 03:18.47 | robertg | who would have thunk |
| 03:18.52 | dEa | my name is Rambo =) |
| 03:18.57 | multi_io | jstevens: ok, I've copied /var/lib/apt/lists and /var/cache/apt/*bin and it seems to have worked |
| 03:18.58 | robertg | Rambo? |
| 03:19.03 | samuel | can i put any filename in the /etc/udev/rules.d/device.rules ??? or is it a particular format? |
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| 03:19.09 | dEa | yeah hehe |
| 03:19.13 | samuel | or should i put it in udev.rules? |
| 03:19.21 | robertg | that's a cool name |
| 03:19.22 | robertg | ;) |
| 03:19.25 | lappy | ok. does anyone have the tapping working in synaptics touchpad, |
| 03:19.29 | jstevens | multi: sweet. |
| 03:19.29 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 03:19.29 | dpkg | synaptics is probably http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 03:19.40 | lappy | i seemed to have the right modules |
| 03:19.42 | igraltist | when i build a kernel with make-kpkg , when i use this image on other maschine is than modules alredy included? |
| 03:19.55 | abrotman | should be |
| 03:20.07 | zoor | is there a place where I can find a collection of apt sources for sources.list? |
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| 03:20.15 | igraltist | ok thx :) |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | !mirror |
| 03:20.17 | dpkg | well, mirror is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 03:20.20 | lappy | dpkg, i have xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 03:20.20 | dpkg | lappy: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:20.23 | abrotman | zoor: apt-setup |
| 03:20.26 | jstevens | igraltist, only if you have the kernel-modules installed as well |
| 03:20.29 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:20.29 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:20.32 | vipersniper | lappy, im trying to disable my touch-pad ;) with no luck |
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| 03:20.47 | freddy | samuel: udev looks for files with .rules |
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| 03:20.54 | abrotman | jstevens: there is no kernel-modiules package using make-kpkg |
| 03:20.54 | lappy | vipersniper, do u hav tapping working though? |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:21.00 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:21.05 | zoor | thnx! just what I needed! :) |
| 03:21.41 | jstevens | abrotman, actually, that depends on how he runs make-kpkg |
| 03:21.41 | vipersniper | lappy, yes |
| 03:21.43 | lappy | that dpkg thing can become annoying eh. |
| 03:22.10 | delire | anyone know of a schumacher-like font fam that actually renders the '|' and '>' symbols? fixed is close but too curly |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | jstevens: ok .. a normal person :) |
| 03:22.23 | jstevens | abrotman, I only say this because I've recomplied the kernel 2 times in the past week :-) |
| 03:22.25 | Epix | lol |
| 03:22.30 | helpmeplz | i typed apt-get -f install and remove a lot of packages.. now ls, vi, more and other commands dont work.. what to do?!!? |
| 03:22.33 | jstevens | abrotman: LOL |
| 03:22.35 | lappy | vipersniper, can u let me know ur settings from kde control center - touchpad? |
| 03:22.43 | jstevens | abrotman: I'll give you that |
| 03:22.56 | Epix | i was thinking... wait i could install x. but then i realized this is a devbox that sits in a corner and acts as a server |
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| 03:23.30 | jstevens | Epix, nice... |
| 03:23.54 | gravity | Weird... the flash click to play firefox extension fixed my flash problem |
| 03:24.05 | gravity | It's twice as great a plugin as I thought! |
| 03:24.06 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:24.06 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:24.33 | lappy | vipersniper, u would need ksynaptics |
| 03:24.44 | gravity | abrotman: I think it's a losing battle this round |
| 03:24.44 | lappy | vipersniper, to see the same settings as mine |
| 03:24.50 | gravity | Sadly |
| 03:24.51 | mark__ | can anyone tell me how i would fix this error? "Can't locate API module structure `mod_mono' in file /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mono.so: /usr/lib/libapr-0.so.0: undefined symbol: mod_mono" |
| 03:24.55 | delire | hehe |
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| 03:25.05 | jstevens | abrotman, for a second there I thought you were talking to me... but I knew I had typed it right... |
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| 03:26.00 | abrotman | gravity: i will win! |
| 03:26.05 | gravity | hehe |
| 03:26.22 | samuel | freddy, thanks |
| 03:26.24 | jstevens | !win |
| 03:26.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, win is lose. |
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| 03:26.37 | lappy | !synaptics |
| 03:26.37 | dpkg | [synaptics] http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics |
| 03:26.41 | dEa | how to start gdm in sarge |
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| 03:26.49 | lappy | !touchpad |
| 03:26.49 | dpkg | methinks touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2 |
| 03:26.50 | lightbright | bob2: i'm gett'n the 2.6.10 kernel! |
| 03:26.50 | gravity | dEa: Install it |
| 03:26.57 | dEa | its installed |
| 03:27.00 | bob2 | cool |
| 03:27.03 | lappy | !wg511 |
| 03:27.04 | delire | mark__ try an ldd on the .so |
| 03:27.10 | MirageGarage | hey all |
| 03:27.16 | jstevens | lappy /msg ! |
| 03:27.19 | mark__ | delire what is ldd? |
| 03:27.25 | rage_ | anybody know why md5 passwords wouldn't work with the sasl2-bin package? |
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| 03:27.28 | abrotman | !ldd |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:27.36 | lappy | jstevens, huh? |
| 03:27.42 | vipersniper | lappy, i have use tapping checked |
| 03:27.47 | rage_ | or PLAIN auth, even tho one has followed sever guides to the letter ;] |
| 03:27.48 | delire | mark__ it will reveal the runtime dependencies of the binary |
| 03:27.49 | lightbright | bob2: yah feels cool to say I'm upgrading my kernel via ssh |
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| 03:27.57 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:27.58 | abrotman | and this is why i got a laptop with a nipple |
| 03:28.03 | vipersniper | lappy, one finger selected |
| 03:28.03 | jstevens | lappy: instead of typing !blah .. use /msg dpkg blah |
| 03:28.07 | bob2 | \hope you have serial access |
| 03:28.10 | lightbright | bob: my boss would just shake his head |
| 03:28.13 | jstevens | lappy: :-) |
| 03:28.16 | lappy | jstevens, oh thx |
| 03:28.17 | delire | mark__ a 'linking' checker |
| 03:28.25 | lightbright | bob2: me too. |
| 03:28.35 | jstevens | lappy: NP |
| 03:28.42 | vipersniper | lappy, under button, left is selected |
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| 03:28.58 | lightbright | bob2: thanks again for the inspiration. just hearing someone say that yes it can be done is good. |
| 03:29.00 | MirageGarage | I likes the Debian! GNOMEs the shizzle |
| 03:29.09 | lappy | vipersniper, ok. can u let me know what the tapping times are? |
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| 03:29.54 | mark__ | delire ok so what do i do now? |
| 03:29.55 | dEa | omg it works =) |
| 03:30.04 | vipersniper | lappy about 30% on the slider bar |
| 03:30.15 | delire | what does X.org do in place of xfs? |
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| 03:30.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have an iso here and in properties it says it is an iso9660 image but k3b claims it isent |
| 03:30.35 | bob2 | delire: er, Xfree86 doesn't need xfs either |
| 03:30.42 | vipersniper | lappy, now how do i disable the darn thing |
| 03:30.48 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ne1 idea what would cause this and how i can remidy it |
| 03:30.57 | lappy | vipersniper, touchpad disable radio button |
| 03:31.01 | The_Ultimate_Sam | as long as k3b dont accept it as an image i cant burn it |
| 03:31.02 | delire | mark__ you should have output revealing what it expects to link against |
| 03:31.09 | delire | bob2: yes, but it has a font server |
| 03:31.10 | lappy | vipersniper, under general tab. |
| 03:31.19 | dEa | is gnome secure to use under debian sarge 3.1 ? |
| 03:31.25 | vipersniper | lappy, nope i tried that |
| 03:31.27 | delire | bob2: i know little about it.. |
| 03:31.32 | vipersniper | still works |
| 03:31.45 | bob2 | delire: er? xfs is the font server. |
| 03:31.50 | bob2 | delire: no version of X needs it, afaik |
| 03:31.57 | bob2 | I don't use it on x.org or xfree86 |
| 03:32.00 | omckinley | anyone know of any community web site which focuses on debian in enterprise environments? |
| 03:32.11 | cheal|ignored | dEa: secure in what way? |
| 03:32.19 | bob2 | the X server can just load the core fonts it needs, and everything else just uses client-site fonts anyway |
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| 03:32.28 | mark__ | delire im sorry but i am not sure what i need to do with the output |
| 03:32.36 | vipersniper | lappy, must be another way |
| 03:32.47 | MirageGarage | hmmm, xnap wont install.. |
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| 03:32.58 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so has this happened to anyone else or is ther anyone who knows how to fix the problem |
| 03:32.58 | lappy | vipersniper, i dont think that control center touchpad config does anything |
| 03:33.21 | vipersniper | lappy, i think your right ;) |
| 03:33.27 | lappy | vipersniper, i remember that there used to be this qsynaptics app. |
| 03:33.47 | delire | bob2: of course neither need it. are fonts managed any differently w/X.org? any paradigm shifts there? |
| 03:33.50 | lappy | vipersniper, http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:33.54 | vipersniper | lappy, must be in the kernel |
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| 03:35.47 | mecca | still having this problem w/ X :( i cant get my resolution to 16x12 |
| 03:35.52 | mecca | its stuck in 1280x960 |
| 03:35.53 | mecca | :\ |
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| 03:36.37 | gteppel | How do I find out what version of GD I'm running in Debian/stable? |
| 03:37.18 | freddy | mecca: check out # Option "NoDDC" it may be supported by your driver |
| 03:37.31 | bob2 | delire: no |
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| 03:37.36 | freddy | mecca: or something similiar |
| 03:38.02 | mecca | freddy, im using the ati driver w/ a radeon 9600 128 |
| 03:38.13 | lightbright | does anyone know hat kernal option shows the penguin and has pretty colors in console text? |
| 03:38.28 | lightbright | uhhh. i meant what kernel option shows... |
| 03:38.54 | bob2 | lots of them |
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| 03:39.19 | zignig | bob2: bleh |
| 03:39.35 | lightbright | I wasnt sure what to select for that. |
| 03:39.57 | inc|freaky | hi, does any1 in here use kvirc? because im looking for the highlighting stuff lol |
| 03:40.00 | lightbright | the panguin's not as important as the colored text in console |
| 03:40.11 | delire | mark__ i'd google for the problem. my way of approaching would take too much time to write here. even try an apt-get install --reinstall apache (if you haven't gone too far with it). i don't use mod_mono |
| 03:40.20 | lightbright | macht nicht |
| 03:40.22 | freddy | mecca: yep thats the one |
| 03:40.49 | mecca | freddy, i have no DDC option on my config file however. :F |
| 03:40.54 | freddy | mecca: make sure your monitor can handle what you through at it |
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| 03:41.12 | mecca | freddy, 20" sgi monitor.. sony GDM-20E2T |
| 03:41.13 | hagbard | hi - is there a good package for maintaining iptables settings across reboots? |
| 03:41.16 | freddy | mecca: oh sorry fglrx was what I was thinking. |
| 03:41.34 | freddy | mecca: I'm using the ati driver too. with 19" at 1600x1200 |
| 03:41.38 | mecca | freddy, on this very monitor irix and windows use 16x12 |
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| 03:41.49 | hagbard | freddy: fwiw, I'm using fglrx on debian unstable. |
| 03:41.49 | mecca | freddy, yea im trying to use the ati driver as well... |
| 03:41.53 | Epix | BACKUP TIME! :D |
| 03:41.57 | freddy | mecca: its most probably the horiz,vert sync. |
| 03:41.58 | mecca | i cant get fglrx to work. |
| 03:42.06 | hagbard | mecca: what part doesn't work? |
| 03:42.12 | mecca | the kernel compile part heh |
| 03:42.20 | delire | mecca: #ati |
| 03:42.23 | hagbard | mecca: which kernel? |
| 03:42.23 | freddy | mecca: fglrx always locks up for me. |
| 03:42.35 | mecca | delire, hm? |
| 03:42.42 | hagbard | freddy: it works fine for me on my thinkpad. |
| 03:42.44 | mecca | hagbard, 2.6.8-1 |
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| 03:42.55 | dEa | is there any graphical software for apache in debian to see who is in webserver etc... |
| 03:43.15 | delire | mecca: the channel. fglrx is a proprietary driver. there is a channel devoted to it's performance and installation |
| 03:43.16 | bad_ | how can i exclude a directory in find search ? |
| 03:43.26 | pingouin | someone already success in burning and dvd DL ? |
| 03:43.30 | mecca | delire, and i have no desire to use it.. but thank you :) |
| 03:43.35 | hagbard | mecca: I think I know your problem; does the kernel module not build or does it not work? Actually, here, I can help you on #ati. |
| 03:43.35 | pingouin | s/and/a |
| 03:43.39 | freddy | hagbard: soon after xscreensaver-gl kicks in it locks up. Seems to go alright in games though |
| 03:43.48 | mark__ | in apache2 where are the supported extension and application types defines? |
| 03:43.49 | delire | bad_ regexp |
| 03:43.52 | mecca | ok ill check out #ati then |
| 03:43.55 | chealer | pingouin: what's a dvd DL? |
| 03:43.56 | hagbard | delire: I apologise for the bad form. |
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| 03:44.04 | anakin_z | is ftp.debian.org having problems? apt-get update reports it just closes the connection..tried multiple times.. |
| 03:44.05 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do u burn a dvd image from comand line |
| 03:44.11 | pingouin | chealer: double layer, 8.4 g |
| 03:44.16 | bob2 | anakin_z: it's 2 machines |
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| 03:45.09 | pingouin | The_Ultimate_Sam: http://dvd.chevelless230.com/index.html for instance, that's depend what you want to do for sure |
| 03:45.14 | pingouin | to burn |
| 03:45.32 | chealer | mark__: apparently apache2.conf |
| 03:45.43 | delire | bob2: i see X.org has a 'xorg-fontserver', this is what i was really looking for. and you're right, no major shifts there in approach. |
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| 03:47.33 | bob2 | delire: why do you want a font server ata all? |
| 03:47.46 | anakin_z | bob2, 2 machines that are down? |
| 03:47.50 | Epix | how do i cp dirs? |
| 03:47.52 | CyzarX | peterS, u there? |
| 03:47.58 | MirageGarage | are there any p2p progs I can apt-get? |
| 03:48.07 | chealer | MirageGarage: apollon |
| 03:48.23 | mark__ | chealer thanks you |
| 03:48.54 | hagbard | anyone got a recommendation for preserving iptables settings across reboots? |
| 03:48.57 | Nooby | i got my hppa box booted with the parameter "init=/bin/shell" ... no got a prompt, but passwd returns an error and remounting the fs with -rw does not let me write the /etc/shadow to reset the root password ... any idea ? |
| 03:49.00 | Xemacs_ | !test |
| 03:49.00 | dpkg | Yes, xemacs_, you're still online. |
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| 03:49.14 | mecca | freddy, were you suggesting USING DDC or leaving it Commented |
| 03:49.19 | freddy | hagbard: /etc/default/iptables |
| 03:49.37 | vipersniper | lappy, did you get it working |
| 03:49.38 | lappy | vipersniper, hey, can u see a section on touchpad in XF86Config file? |
| 03:49.41 | dEa | can i someway change lilo somethink more beatiful bootloader.. :) |
| 03:49.54 | freddy | mecca: if you use fglrx you could try uncommenting it. It just tells the driver not use the settings it gets from the monitor |
| 03:50.04 | lappy | vipersniper, nope. but i think i know how to solve my problem. its a setting in XF86Config file |
| 03:50.07 | mecca | ok thanks |
| 03:50.07 | vipersniper | lappy, what about it |
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| 03:50.22 | hagbard | freddy: assumably, thats part of an init script - I'm missing the file, could I be missing a patch? |
| 03:50.24 | lappy | vipersniper, do u see a section on the touchpad configuratoin? |
| 03:50.29 | bob2 | delire: very few modern programs use server-side fons |
| 03:50.41 | bob2 | hagbard: read the iptables README.Debian |
| 03:50.44 | bob2 | and shame on you all |
| 03:50.55 | hagbard | bob2: thank you. |
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| 03:51.28 | delire | bob2: of course, this is for a very specific (read non-utilitarian) project |
| 03:52.00 | vipersniper | lappy, mine is configured as a usb device |
| 03:52.10 | lightbright | does make menuconfig detect my nic? or does it just have common defaults? |
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| 03:52.26 | bob2 | lightbright: it detects nothing |
| 03:52.38 | bob2 | lightbright: if you want to build your own kernel, you need to know everything about your hardware |
| 03:52.50 | bob2 | lightbright: the defaults are not common, theyre terrible and broken |
| 03:52.53 | Nooby | all these happy howtos for resetting the root password do not work for me because hd is my only available boot option |
| 03:52.54 | jadoogar | I am administrating M$ Windows clients in our institute Lab, one of the bigest problem is that, students change install software or change the default user setting, Is there any software, which i install and it revert my windows client to their previous/initial state after every reboot? |
| 03:53.04 | lightbright | bob2: ok... it had the realtek 8139 in there as a compile option |
| 03:53.19 | lightbright | bob2: got lucky on that one. |
| 03:53.42 | delire | lightbright: man lspci |
| 03:53.58 | bob2 | jadoogar: er? #windows. |
| 03:54.02 | delire | lightbright: this is dossier of devices on your system |
| 03:54.03 | lightbright | delire: ok. will do |
| 03:54.24 | anakin_z | jadoogar, try DeepFreeze, www.faronics.com |
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| 03:54.59 | orlon_ | would anyone have an example recipe for partman-auto-lvm ?? |
| 03:55.27 | anakin_z | jadoogar, just be careful with freezing areas that they save documents to :P (should be safe if its roaming profiles) |
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| 03:56.36 | delire | jadoogar: that's a very strange question in a debian channel. |
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| 03:57.48 | Epix | slackbox ready for wipe... say hello to debian! |
| 03:57.50 | Epix | :D |
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| 03:58.30 | Epix | neways thanks all y'all... deb goes up tomorow |
| 03:58.31 | Epix | cya! |
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| 04:00.06 | mwilson | Buildd's are STILL broken, huh? |
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| 04:02.25 | Seb | what's the linux software that's closest to Dreamweaver/Frontpage ? |
| 04:02.41 | nevyn | hrm. openoffice? |
| 04:02.49 | jadoogar | anakin_z: thanks it is the the software i was searching. |
| 04:02.54 | Seb | nevyn: really ? |
| 04:02.56 | mark__ | can anyone here help me get mono working on sarge with apache2, every time i try to browse to my aspx page i just get a download prompt and i can not figure out what is wrong with it |
| 04:03.07 | orlon_ | seb: Bluefish? |
| 04:03.09 | gravity | Seb: nvu, but it's not in Debian yet |
| 04:03.17 | gravity | Or that one from the Kompany |
| 04:03.18 | MirageGarage | hey guys, is lsongs only for linspire? |
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| 04:03.41 | Seb | gravity: which one would that be ? |
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| 04:03.58 | gravity | Seb: You'll have to go to their site to find out |
| 04:04.01 | orlon_ | Seb: there's another Gnome one....I think it's called Screem |
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| 04:04.03 | Seb | gravity: nvu ain't in debian yet because of license problems, or just because it's fairly new ? |
| 04:04.07 | Seb | orlon_: k |
| 04:04.09 | gravity | New |
| 04:04.14 | Seb | k |
| 04:04.15 | shingouz | MirageGarage: apt-cache search lsongs |
| 04:04.41 | lightbright | bob2: do you think that compiling in packet writing support for cd/dvd is a bad idea if I intend to use growisofs or cdrecord? |
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| 04:05.32 | MirageGarage | ooh, cool |
| 04:05.41 | orlon_ | anyone here using partman-auto-lvm with d-i?? |
| 04:06.02 | shingouz | MirageGarage: dont be that happy yet, check with that command if it is there |
| 04:06.07 | anakin_z | mark__, I cant get mono on sarge either, exceept all I get, no matter what I do, are 403 forbidden errors |
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| 04:07.10 | MirageGarage | ooh, its not. but the command is new to me. whoot.. this is sweet |
| 04:07.30 | bob2 | lightbright: don't think it matters |
| 04:07.39 | shingouz | MirageGarage: apt-cache search locates everything you have available. man apt-cache |
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| 04:08.06 | MirageGarage | awsome thanks |
| 04:08.11 | shingouz | :) |
| 04:08.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | does k3b support minidvds? |
| 04:08.56 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and is there a dif between a normal dvd image an a mini dvd image |
| 04:09.57 | mark__ | anakin_z how did you install it? |
| 04:10.42 | id10t | The_Ultimate_Sam afik difference is size and only size... so if k3b can do a regular dvd-r... |
| 04:11.03 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thats the thing i dont know if k3b can do normal dvd images |
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| 04:11.10 | The_Ultimate_Sam | this is my first dvd image |
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| 04:11.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | and it keeps saying its not an iso9660 |
| 04:11.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but system properties claim it is iso9660 |
| 04:11.47 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: just make the image and mount it as loop, see if it works. don't burn it on dvd before you have checked it out |
| 04:12.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | make the image? |
| 04:12.17 | shingouz | yea |
| 04:12.28 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i got the image i need to burn it |
| 04:12.44 | shingouz | well.. uhh... maybe try to burn it with the --dummy switch on? |
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| 04:13.02 | shingouz | that way you will not waste the dvd at least |
| 04:13.05 | The_Ultimate_Sam | burn it how? |
| 04:13.16 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i cant even get to the option to burn |
| 04:13.28 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i go to load it and it gives me an error |
| 04:13.29 | mark__ | can anyone here help me get mono working on sarge with apache2, every time i try to browse to my aspx page i just get a download prompt and i can not figure out what is wrong with it |
| 04:13.31 | MirageGarage | umm, an other question :) How do I go abouts adding APM support in the kernel? |
| 04:13.35 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: where did you get the image from in the first place? |
| 04:13.37 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it never lets me burn |
| 04:13.48 | The_Ultimate_Sam | internet |
| 04:14.02 | shingouz | a bit more information if possible... |
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| 04:14.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | aMule |
| 04:14.22 | anakin_z | mark__, I installed it on each workstation, whole system frozen, because these kids use roaming profiles |
| 04:14.29 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i dont know the user(s) name(s) |
| 04:14.35 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: hmm.. not something that says rar on it? |
| 04:14.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | nop |
| 04:14.50 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it did say pal on it though |
| 04:14.57 | anakin_z | mark__, I logged in as admin on one machine, formatted a partition, rebooted, and it was back |
| 04:15.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | but i think thats something else |
| 04:15.16 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: can you mount it with -o loop? |
| 04:15.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how would i do that? |
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| 04:15.55 | anakin_z | mark__, it also goes without saying a virus will not have a major effect, unst install AV on the profile servers if you use roaming profiles |
| 04:16.03 | anakin_z | -just |
| 04:16.03 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.foo /mount/point |
| 04:16.43 | The_Ultimate_Sam | image is the location of the image right?...keep the foo in? |
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| 04:17.01 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: take the foo out |
| 04:17.22 | shingouz | !tell The_Ultimate_Sam about foo |
| 04:17.51 | bsims | As I understand it there are now Official Packages for Mplayer... how do I ensure that I keep getting the latest from marillat? |
| 04:18.22 | delire | bsims: modify your /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect the repository |
| 04:18.42 | delire | bsims: then update before upgrading |
| 04:18.42 | shingouz | bsims: just like you usually do with apt sources, input the correct release name into sources.list |
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| 04:18.53 | lappy | vipersniper, i got my touchpad working |
| 04:19.13 | lappy | vipersniper, i had to modify the XF86Config file |
| 04:19.16 | vipersniper | lappy, great |
| 04:19.34 | delire | bsims: i have 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main' for my 'testing' (see /etc/debian_version) systems |
| 04:19.43 | lappy | vipersniper, after doing that, the kde control centre section is functional, and touchpad can be disabled from there |
| 04:19.50 | dEa | how to run webalizer in debian? |
| 04:20.09 | lappy | vipersniper, or i guess u could disable it in the XF86Config file too. |
| 04:20.21 | bsims | delire: I have the repository in my sources.list, but I am concerned about it pulling the one from Debian Official if the Debian Official Version is newer than marilat's. Or a better question: if the version numbers are the same, which is pulled? |
| 04:20.28 | vipersniper | lappy, what did you put in the XF86Config-4 file |
| 04:20.53 | lappy | vipersniper, hangon a sec. i will send u a link. |
| 04:21.19 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 04:21.19 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.19 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.19 | The_Ultimate_Sam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:21.32 | hhstnoc | pastebot! |
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| 04:21.38 | vircuser | hax0r! |
| 04:21.41 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ,,,thought that was one line |
| 04:21.44 | anakin_z | worms! |
| 04:21.44 | MirageGarage | how can I enable APM support? |
| 04:21.51 | vircuser | RATs! |
| 04:21.53 | delire | bsims: apt will always try to install the newer |
| 04:21.54 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: no pasting in the channel.... |
| 04:22.02 | hhstnoc | MirageGarage: modconf. |
| 04:22.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok...but thats what i got |
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| 04:22.17 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: in anycase i don't think that file is an image |
| 04:22.25 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so what is it then? |
| 04:22.30 | lappy | vipersniper, accept the text file i am sending u |
| 04:22.46 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: with the information you have given me so far it could be anything |
| 04:23.01 | MirageGarage | man, you fellas are awsome |
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| 04:23.05 | The_Ultimate_Sam | hmm |
| 04:23.14 | bsims | delire: I know but what if the version on Sid and the version on $unofficial_repsository are identical which is prefered? |
| 04:23.18 | delire | bsims: the good thing about the marillat repo is that he also provides many of the dependencies for any given package |
| 04:23.22 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: any filename extension on it? |
| 04:23.46 | The_Ultimate_Sam | its odd its exactly the size of a minidvd 1.4 gb it has a .iso extension the system properties say it is an iso9660 |
| 04:24.03 | delire | bsims: the first encountered i would guess |
| 04:24.16 | bsims | delire: indeed, and they are closer to the upstream (aka not idealogicaly correct) |
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| 04:24.43 | bsims | delire: Is this a question that would be better asked on the debian-users list? |
| 04:24.51 | delire | bsims: idealogically? you define what is idealogical for your system by specifying what is acceptable |
| 04:24.55 | The_Ultimate_Sam | it seems like it should be an image |
| 04:24.57 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: the file may be corrupt too you know. i have a weird feeling you are trying to burn a pirated movie there and those files are not exactly known for their integrity you know |
| 04:25.11 | delire | anywho have to split |
| 04:25.20 | delire | luck bsims |
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| 04:25.36 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ya but they usualy at least burn |
| 04:25.44 | bsims | delire: what I mean is the Blessed packages have encrypted support removed to meet the Free software guidlines |
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| 04:26.29 | bsims | The_Ultimate_Sam: try playing the ISO with mplayer |
| 04:26.56 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: try mounting the thing once more as root like you just did. if it mounts you can at least look into it. if it doesnt mount you have a bad file |
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| 04:28.51 | MirageGarage | ok I jumped the gun. how do I use modconf |
| 04:28.59 | shingouz | MirageGarage: as root |
| 04:29.18 | MirageGarage | I ran it.. but I had no idea where to go |
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| 04:29.31 | shingouz | MirageGarage: whaty you trying to do with it? |
| 04:29.51 | shingouz | MirageGarage: more specifically what are you trying to install |
| 04:29.53 | MirageGarage | enable APM for my laptop |
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| 04:30.34 | shingouz | MirageGarage: in that case you need to find the apm modules there somewhere. you did apt-get install apm already? |
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| 04:31.04 | shingouz | MirageGarage: apt-cache search apm, you should get something out of it |
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| 04:32.12 | MirageGarage | yea, its installed, but when i run apm, it says there is no APM support in kernel |
| 04:32.21 | BucAWAY | what is a good gui news reader? |
| 04:32.36 | shingouz | MirageGarage: custom kernel? |
| 04:32.36 | bsims | BucAWAY: Pan |
| 04:32.40 | BucAWAY | apt-caching it now bsims |
| 04:32.41 | shingouz | BucAWAY: sylpheed |
| 04:32.55 | MirageGarage | nope.. fresh install |
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| 04:33.54 | shingouz | MirageGarage: you need to use modconf then, you should be able to find the apm modules there somewhere, just look for them. i think they were somewehre in the kernel drivers. i *think* :) |
| 04:34.52 | kaplanfx | I just got a new LCD panel, is there a tutorial around that tells you how to add special options for an LCD to your XF86Config-4 file? |
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| 04:35.45 | MirageGarage | now it wants command line arguements |
| 04:35.57 | MirageGarage | do I let it autoprobe? |
| 04:36.02 | shingouz | MirageGarage: just hit yes and let it rip |
| 04:36.12 | bsims | BucAWAY: if you do a lot of pictures can I suggest GQview |
| 04:36.36 | MirageGarage | it failed.. no device |
| 04:36.37 | shingouz | MirageGarage: usually you can let it autoprobe first, if it does not work that way, *then* slap some parameters there |
| 04:37.06 | shingouz | MirageGarage: what computer you doing that on? |
| 04:37.08 | z36ra | looks like he need to slap |
| 04:37.21 | MirageGarage | just a few mins... compaq presario 2135us |
| 04:37.23 | MirageGarage | laptop |
| 04:37.33 | MirageGarage | im gonna reboot, and check my bios |
| 04:37.34 | shingouz | hmm... should have it there... |
| 04:37.39 | shingouz | MirageGarage: stop! |
| 04:37.49 | shingouz | !tell MirageGarage about laptop |
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| 04:38.17 | shingouz | MirageGarage: check the laptop site out, there might be some instructions already |
| 04:38.26 | shingouz | MirageGarage: now you can go away for a while ;) |
| 04:38.55 | MirageGarage | hahahah :) brb guys. |
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| 04:39.05 | shingouz | i'll go reboot myself too |
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| 04:39.40 | z36ra | reboot? must be windows |
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| 04:40.14 | shingouz | z36ra: reboot myself.. or maybe better say to suspend myself for a couple of hours |
| 04:40.20 | bsims | Ah a quick post in #debian-devel and I now know where to look for help |
| 04:40.23 | kaplanfx | is sub pixel hinting good or bad for lcds? |
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| 04:40.48 | z36ra | shingouz: yeah I get it |
| 04:40.49 | sean_micken | hey |
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| 04:41.05 | shingouz | nite guys |
| 04:41.12 | bsims | I was wondering how to make sure that I kept getting the Unoffical packages of mplayer... the answer is to simply list the unoffical source first in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:41.27 | sean_micken | do they nvidia drivers work with the vanilla sources or do i need to use the kernel-source package? |
| 04:41.33 | bsims | kaplanfx: for lcds its good |
| 04:41.34 | kalessin | I'm looking for a way to have a program run every time the IP address of eth1 changes. Do the programs in ip-up.d do that? If not, is there anything that does? |
| 04:42.08 | kaplanfx | bsims: ok, thanks, but now it wants to know if I want rgb, bgr, or the virtical equivs of those two |
| 04:42.51 | bsims | try them all and see what looks best to you, that I can not answer for ya <g> |
| 04:43.07 | ged | I haven't compiled a kernel in a long time, does one still need to do the 'export CC=gcc-2.95' can one just fire away with gcc-3.3 nowadays? |
| 04:43.08 | cheal|ignored | kalessin: vanilla, kernel-source, kernel-image, anything |
| 04:43.51 | kalessin | cheal|ignored ? |
| 04:43.58 | bsims | kaplanfx: I have a CRT and for me vertical RGB looks best |
| 04:44.05 | cheal|ignored | kalessin: uh...typo |
| 04:44.14 | cheal|ignored | sean_micken: vanilla, kernel-source, kernel-image, anything |
| 04:44.20 | kalessin | cheal|ignored Ah. |
| 04:44.55 | bsims | kaplanfx: xmag is your friend here <g> |
| 04:45.14 | z36ra | hmm. i need kernel source for nvidia "video" drivers |
| 04:45.38 | z36ra | needed |
| 04:45.45 | jstevens | z36ra, nvidia.com... but you knew that, right? |
| 04:45.53 | Pluk | how can i check if an executable is compiled for i386 or i686? |
| 04:46.05 | z36ra | oh yes... it works now. been a while though |
| 04:46.07 | k-man__ | how can i set up some sort of secure smtp server so thunderbird can access it from anywhere on the net, but its not directly open to the rest of the web? |
| 04:46.13 | michal_ | anyone here use xen 2.0 on a debian system? |
| 04:46.41 | kaplanfx | bsims: xmag? |
| 04:46.42 | cheal|ignored | Pluk: use "file", I think |
| 04:47.15 | jstevens | xmag is cool |
| 04:47.18 | bsims | kaplanfx: it magnifies a portion of the screen, its usefull to see what has less pixilation |
| 04:47.19 | sean_micken | where can i find a list of mirrors i can use? |
| 04:47.45 | jstevens | www.debian.org |
| 04:47.46 | cheal|ignored | z36ra: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 04:47.54 | cheal|ignored | sean_micken: apt-setup |
| 04:48.01 | z36ra | jstevens: sarge was different for me. |
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| 04:48.38 | Pluk | thx cheal|ignored |
| 04:48.39 | z36ra | ** well like i say, "it's been a while" |
| 04:48.42 | jstevens | z36ra, how so? |
| 04:49.01 | jstevens | z36ra: just the new-parts of it? |
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| 04:50.03 | z36ra | jstevens: on 3.1 all I had to do was use the nv installer. on sarge i had to compile a new driver. |
| 04:50.21 | michal_ | xen 2.0 is impossibly hard to get workingthe debian way :/ |
| 04:50.26 | jstevens | z36ra, umm... sarge = 3.1 |
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| 04:51.39 | scarynetworkguy | kaplanfx: I use it on mine nad like it. |
| 04:51.41 | cheal|ignored | z36ra: there's a debian way starting from sarge |
| 04:51.50 | cheal|ignored | !tell z36ra about nvidia-installer |
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| 04:55.18 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java |
| 04:55.30 | z36ra | jstevens: of course i meant 3.0 |
| 04:55.54 | z36ra | dont you hate when they cant get it right |
| 04:56.05 | jstevens | z36ra, :-) |
| 04:56.21 | jstevens | z36ra, I noticed that potato ... |
| 04:56.29 | rage_ | hmm, i'm trying to compile sasl2 on debian, and I keep getting ../lib/.libs/libsasl2.so: undefined reference to `strlcpy', anyone have an idea as to what might fix that? |
| 04:56.41 | jstevens | z36ra, wait, I mean woody |
| 04:56.47 | z36ra | hehe |
| 04:56.57 | jstevens | z36ra, woody handled the geforce4 card poorly |
| 04:57.09 | freddy | rage_: why do you need to compile it? |
| 04:57.16 | z36ra | woody, potato... who cares. |
| 04:57.20 | rage_ | freddy: to fix my problem, and add md5 support |
| 04:57.24 | z36ra | ? |
| 04:57.34 | jstevens | z36ra, sarge's nv driver works fine for my geforce4 card |
| 04:57.40 | freddy | rage_: okay |
| 04:57.40 | jstevens | z36ra: :-) |
| 04:58.01 | rage_ | freddy: it's not decrypting md5 pw's it'll let you login if you send your PW encrypted tho |
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| 05:16.49 | freddy | mandarin: why can't you delete the messages from the quque |
| 05:17.02 | pook | I recently installed a gnome application and for some reason it made gnome my default WM.. I have an .xinitrc file telling X to start with fluxbox, but i get gnome instead |
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| 05:17.13 | valdyn_ | kreg: now why would a usb1.1 dvd player even exist? |
| 05:17.25 | mandarin | freddy: i don't know what message i got. can't even do ls on that dir |
| 05:17.29 | kreg | external usb 2.0 dvd writer. |
| 05:17.34 | kreg | but laptop only has usb 1.1 |
| 05:17.37 | cleaverAlf | cheal|ignored: apt-get install gave me this msg... E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.8-2-i386 |
| 05:17.40 | freddy | mandarin: probably too many files in the dir. |
| 05:17.49 | nvz | pook: well you are full of shit, but I am not one to gossip |
| 05:17.52 | freddy | mandarin: check the logs and dmesg and friends |
| 05:18.16 | cleaverAlf | i'm telling you, the repository i have is identical to the dvd's i installed with... I need one with 'updated' apps.. |
| 05:18.18 | cheal|ignored | cleaverAlf: 386, not i386 |
| 05:18.32 | freddy | mandarin: at least to do ls anyway. try using find. |
| 05:18.35 | nvz | pook: for one thing its against debian policy for any package in debian to overwrite or otherwise touch your homedir, and for another, gnome is not a WM |
| 05:18.36 | cleaverAlf | ok... will try again.. |
| 05:18.42 | valdyn_ | kreg: well, try it, but i don't think 10mbit/sec will work very well ( though theoretically enough i guess ) |
| 05:18.49 | kreg | valdyn_, nah i doubt it too |
| 05:19.01 | kreg | just wondering if anyones tried |
| 05:19.03 | kreg | thanks tho |
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| 05:19.11 | freddy | kreg: yeah i'm tired |
| 05:19.18 | kreg | heh |
| 05:19.31 | cleaverAlf | its running... GREAT.. hope to hell it doesn't break anything.. :-) |
| 05:19.48 | pook | nvz: screw you asshole |
| 05:19.51 | kreg | isn't a single speed dvd 1400k /sec ? |
| 05:20.06 | freddy | kreg: something like that |
| 05:20.18 | kreg | and usb 1.1 is about what? 10mb? |
| 05:20.33 | freddy | pook: whats that about |
| 05:20.39 | pook | nvz: first off, i dont appreciate being called a liar |
| 05:20.54 | pook | nvz: secondly, i never said /.xinitrc was overwritten |
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| 05:21.19 | pook | freddy: I recently installed a gnome application and for some reason it made gnome my default WM.. I have an .xinitrc file telling X to start with fluxbox, but i get gnome instead |
| 05:21.48 | pook | nvz: what is gnome then? |
| 05:22.11 | nvz | pook: GNU Network Object Model Environment last I checked |
| 05:22.13 | sean_micken | pook: you must use a graphical login manager? |
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| 05:22.29 | nvz | pook: can use metacity, sawfish, fluxbox, icewm..etc for a wm |
| 05:22.46 | RainbowW | in top, cup1: so much us, so much sy, so much ni, so much id, so much wa, so much hi, so much si. what does wa represent? |
| 05:22.55 | pook | nvz: well thanks for educating me |
| 05:22.59 | nvz | pook: in any case like I said nothing can touch your .xinitrc file.. you need to be more specific about how you start X and what you installed |
| 05:23.07 | zignig | pook: what does update-alternatives --list x-window-manager say ? |
| 05:23.11 | nvz | pook: and not take the fact your question is misleading personally |
| 05:23.50 | bucky | pook, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 05:24.03 | zignig | bucky: too slow ;P |
| 05:24.16 | pook | zignig, that command was not understood |
| 05:24.22 | bucky | i need a script for that |
| 05:24.32 | nvz | for update-alternatives? |
| 05:24.37 | pook | ok i'll try that |
| 05:25.07 | nvz | I think there _is_ a tool for that.. I seen it last night when looking through the package manager.. but I didnt install it. I was trying out the debian-configure thing and packagesearch |
| 05:25.27 | pook | update-alternatives is not recognized |
| 05:25.35 | bucky | pook as su |
| 05:25.39 | bad_ | with scp it's posible to resume a upload/download? |
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| 05:25.49 | pook | i did |
| 05:25.57 | nvz | that debian-configure if thats the right name, presents you a debconf-based config of all debconf configurations on the system |
| 05:26.03 | nvz | its pretty neat |
| 05:26.03 | pook | its not apt-get update-alternatives ... is it? |
| 05:26.13 | nvz | nope |
| 05:26.16 | bucky | pook, which distro are yo runnin |
| 05:26.22 | pook | debian |
| 05:26.32 | pook | 2.6.10 |
| 05:26.38 | nvz | vagueness makes the baby penguins cry |
| 05:26.44 | nvz | 2.6.10 isnt in debian afaik |
| 05:26.52 | pook | btw...it keeps forcing xdm on me for some reason |
| 05:26.55 | nvz | might be in sid though *shrug* |
| 05:26.59 | pook | yah sid |
| 05:27.03 | RainbowW | am i guessing that an APIC error on CPU1 is a Bad Thing? |
| 05:27.19 | nvz | it should not be forcing xdm on you unless something depends on it |
| 05:27.37 | nvz | if xdm is installed, try removing it and you would see what depends on it.. heh |
| 05:27.44 | zignig | nvz: but everybody looooves xdm |
| 05:27.58 | nvz | I havent tried it, or cant remember |
| 05:28.37 | nvz | I like kdm for people too young, too old or too stupid to use a pc, because I can disable their accounts and kdm will let them in without authentication when the click their userpic |
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| 05:28.50 | nvz | but I like gdm's graphical greeter myself. |
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| 05:29.17 | nvz | just doesnt support the passwordless logins like kdm does and the timed logins are dumb IMO |
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| 05:29.55 | nvz | that kdm trick saves me both ways.. they dont have to remember a passwd, and I dont have to worry about them setting a bad one |
| 05:29.55 | pook | yeah, and i can't quite figure out what that is |
| 05:29.55 | pook | i can uninstall it...but it keeps getting reinstalled |
| 05:29.58 | pook | i would prefer not using any login manager |
| 05:29.59 | pook | is there a way to disable it all together? |
| 05:30.02 | brynjarh | passwordsless login? Isn't that a security risk. |
| 05:30.20 | zignig | brynjarh: it they have physical access to the machine then not really. |
| 05:30.25 | pook | noo....i would prefer a non-graphical login |
| 05:30.26 | anakin_z | not really if its disabled for remote access.. |
| 05:30.27 | nvz | brynjarh: it just allows someone to access the box from the DM locally without authentication |
| 05:30.39 | zignig | brynjarh: they can get root anyway ( if you know what you are doing ) |
| 05:30.47 | nvz | I always chmod 700 home dirs and take other precautions on these systems |
| 05:30.57 | nvz | to make sure these fucktards dont screw each other |
| 05:31.49 | pook | its on my laptop so i dont have to worry about anyone else logging in..is there a way to disable the graphical login all together? |
| 05:31.53 | zignig | mmmm, smacktards. |
| 05:31.59 | kaplanfx | when xfree86-server asks if your monitor is an lcd, what does it modify in the XF86Config-4 file? |
| 05:32.00 | bob2 | zignig: bleh! |
| 05:32.01 | zignig | !no dm |
| 05:32.07 | nvz | pook: sure, easiest way is to unistall the dm |
| 05:32.14 | zignig | bob2: what's the go 'o' doody one ? |
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| 05:32.30 | nvz | pook: the scripts are in /etc/init.d/ and the links that calls it up on start are in /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 05:32.43 | pook | nvz, i keeps coming back.....aaah..perfect..thanks |
| 05:32.55 | nvz | pook: removing that /etc/rc.2d/##S*dm link would do it |
| 05:33.05 | nvz | pook: you cannot let packages keep comming back :P |
| 05:33.06 | pook | btw...what does dm stand for? |
| 05:33.14 | nvz | pook: Display Manager |
| 05:33.15 | pook | no i think aptitude reinstalls it |
| 05:33.26 | nvz | well you need to smack it around man |
| 05:33.38 | kreg | that's what she said |
| 05:33.45 | pook | haha |
| 05:33.47 | nvz | you cant let your package manager of choice push you around |
| 05:34.01 | pook | i'm still confused about gnome taking over |
| 05:34.14 | nvz | pook: well are you loggin in from a DM? |
| 05:34.28 | nvz | pook: or logging in on console and starting x with xinit or startx? |
| 05:34.43 | pook | ....duh...that's right...you already told me how to remedy that....ok one thing at a time i guess |
| 05:34.50 | nvz | pook: its likely your session type in the display manager got changed |
| 05:35.12 | pook | ....BUT, i tried exiting out of X all together and starting X manually...gnome still came up |
| 05:35.18 | nvz | pook: thats the whole point of the Display Manger, it starts the X server for you, and presents you with a graphical method of authentication and choosing your session type |
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| 05:35.56 | pook | nvz: that's the thing, i never intended on having a dm in the first place |
| 05:35.58 | brynjarh | nvz, zignig, pook, no authentication is always a security risk. Computers, especially laptops are stolen and usually not by people who know that much about computers, if there is no authentication at all, your personal files are wide open for anyone, even computer-illiterate, that can get local access to the computer. |
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| 05:36.56 | kdog | I have an interesting problem. I moved a server and now I can't ping other servers(by IP) on the lan or even the gateway. The IP address, netmask are the same. I've tried different cables, hubs, even changed out the NIC. What am I missing? |
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| 05:37.21 | Nurbs_ | one more reason for an encrypted fs :) |
| 05:37.28 | nvz | brynjarh: I do this for home pcs for random idiots.. windows refugees if you will.. its much safer to put a ! in /etc/shadow, and disable their user account and telling KDM that when they click on a little PNG userpic icon, let them into the Session of their choice as their user without going through pam.. its better than them choosing thier first name for a passwd or something |
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| 05:37.50 | raf256 | how to find and disable it? crontab -u root -e and -u nobody shows that thoes crontables are empty. On debian sarge. |
| 05:37.57 | nvz | you can password protect lilo or grub or something if you are parinoid about theft |
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| 05:39.51 | jacleo | HI, is there any tool can edit the pdf file in debian? |
| 05:39.57 | zinx | no |
| 05:39.57 | Witigonen | I'm going to install Linux on an Acer Aspire 1661 laptop sometime tonight, and while I'm pretty familiar with Ubuntu, I've never used Debian itself. The reason I'm thinking of Debian is that I'd prefer to use KDE over Gnome. Any comments...? |
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| 05:40.13 | zinx | jacleo: get the original, or convert it to something else |
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| 05:40.29 | Nurbs | Witigonen: doesn't ubuntu come with both, too? |
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| 05:40.50 | raf256 | where can I find _all_ crontabs? some summary etc |
| 05:40.54 | bob2 | Nurbs: yes |
| 05:41.06 | jacleo | I only has the pdf file, but I need to make some mark on it, Can I do it in debian? |
| 05:41.08 | Nurbs | Witigonen: try to find another justification then *g* |
| 05:41.08 | bob2 | but KDE is terrible compared to gnome anyway </troll> |
| 05:41.12 | Witigonen | Nurbs: My impression is that it's definitely geared towards Gnome.. |
| 05:41.19 | kdog | raf256, /etc/cron.* |
| 05:41.21 | bob2 | Witigonen: kde is available but unsupported |
| 05:41.24 | zinx | jacleo: you can convert it to postscript and add the mark, then convert it back to pdf |
| 05:41.28 | bob2 | and somewhat broken in warty, iirc |
| 05:41.37 | Nurbs | ah. :) |
| 05:41.49 | Witigonen | bob2: Ahh, thanks. |
| 05:42.02 | MrMan | Can someone tell me how to mount my cdrom drive? |
| 05:42.03 | alus | why can't I install mesag3 at the same time as libgtkglext1-dev ? |
| 05:42.08 | zinx | jacleo: there is nothing to directly edit the pdf, and pdfs aren't in a format particularly suited to editing |
| 05:42.11 | alus | and xlibmesa-gl-dev |
| 05:42.15 | jacleo | thx zinx. Use what tool to mark postscript? |
| 05:42.28 | zinx | jacleo: your favorite text editor and a postscript reference manual :) |
| 05:42.30 | alus | I have to install one set of libraries, compile my appliction, then switch libraries to run it |
| 05:42.37 | alus | that seems a bit pointless |
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| 05:43.11 | MirageGarage | hey all |
| 05:43.17 | Nurbs | jacleo: mark? make? you can print to .ps from most apps or create it from (La)TeX source or export from graphics programs to .ps etc. |
| 05:43.37 | MirageGarage | never got the APM or acpi workin.. geez |
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| 05:44.07 | nvz | oh well my power went out, what'd I miss :P |
| 05:44.10 | nvz | I said something |
| 05:44.15 | nvz | I dont even remember what |
| 05:44.24 | scarynetworkguy | !wb nvz |
| 05:44.25 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! nvz has returned! |
| 05:44.31 | nvz | hah |
| 05:44.32 | bucky | MirageGarage, compile your own kernel? |
| 05:44.39 | jacleo | thanks all |
| 05:44.40 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: How you been? |
| 05:44.44 | nvz | !yinzersmite myself |
| 05:45.19 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: we're a little soggy dahn here |
| 05:45.23 | MirageGarage | nope.. im not gonna bother.. its just odd cuz it works raight away in other dists |
| 05:45.38 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: And too damn dry up here. |
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| 05:45.47 | grendal_prime | grrrr |
| 05:45.49 | scarynetworkguy | We need to work out an exchange. |
| 05:45.53 | bucky | MirageGarage, sid |
| 05:45.56 | grendal_prime | i cant get my x-plane to install |
| 05:46.47 | MirageGarage | pardon? |
| 05:46.53 | bucky | sid or sarge |
| 05:46.58 | MirageGarage | sarge |
| 05:47.20 | bucky | MirageGarage, you prolly have to upgrade from the install kernel to get it to work |
| 05:47.42 | xerophyte | how can i list of full path of file name i directory for example when i type find . it gives me full path but it also give me hidden files does anybody know how can i get non-hidden full path |
| 05:47.45 | MirageGarage | ahh, alright.. how do I do that? |
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| 05:48.29 | bucky | MirageGarage, apt-cache search kernel-image find one you want then apt-get install kernel-image-blah |
| 05:48.36 | nvz | I am sporting my uncles Marvin The Martian mousepad.. this piece of wood I got under my monitor creating a shelf for my keyboard about mouse made my pointer jump around too much |
| 05:48.51 | MirageGarage | cool |
| 05:48.55 | MirageGarage | most recent? |
| 05:49.01 | fruers | Hey i'm just trying out debian and wondering if there is an easy way to change my gnome window manager from metacity |
| 05:49.13 | nvz | fruers: yep |
| 05:49.13 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 05:49.32 | nvz | fruers: apt-get --purge remove metacity && apt-get install sawfish |
| 05:49.40 | nvz | fruers: best thing you could ever do for yourself |
| 05:49.49 | jstevens | xerophyte, wpd ? |
| 05:50.10 | fruers | nvz: Oh right, will gnome pick that up automatically? |
| 05:50.17 | nvz | I love sawfish-ui, I can do just about anything in sawfish |
| 05:50.19 | fruers | nvz: I was going to switch to openbox |
| 05:50.29 | nvz | fruers: it wont have a choice now will it :P |
| 05:50.35 | fruers | nvz: Can it do scroll wheel -> desktop moves? |
| 05:50.54 | nvz | wtf would I need my desktop to move? |
| 05:50.58 | fruers | That's all i want from openbox, alt-scroll through desktops and ctrl-alt scroll to move windows |
| 05:51.33 | xerophyte | jstevens, what is wpd??? |
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| 05:51.58 | jstevens | xerophyte, a typo |
| 05:52.10 | nvz | fruers: sawfish has a binding configurator, you can hit the grab button and program an command, command sequence, or action to any combination of modified or unmodified keyboard and/or mouse clicks and motions in any context |
| 05:52.16 | jstevens | xerophyte, intended to be pwd |
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| 05:52.34 | fruers | nvz: ok, i'll give it a try |
| 05:52.42 | xerophyte | jstevens, i need list of full path in direocty its and its subdirectory |
| 05:52.53 | nvz | fruers: anything you cant click around and do with the sawfish-ui, you can do with learning a little lisp and rep |
| 05:52.58 | cleaverAlf | i was just wondering if anyone is using clamav for anit-virus? I've been using bit defender cli and have been very pleased ... comments? flames? :-) |
| 05:53.11 | fruers | nvz: Do i have to --purge though or is there an env that i can set? |
| 05:53.12 | Solet | what do i do if installing a package doesnt install all the files that should have been in that package? |
| 05:53.22 | gandy909 | what is the proper way to move usr from / to its own partition? surely cp -R /usr/* /mnt/blah won't work? |
| 05:53.24 | fruers | nvz: Like gentoo ;) |
| 05:53.34 | bob2 | gandy909: you need -a at the very least |
| 05:53.34 | nvz | fruers: I am putting together a little howto on sawfish-ui I guess I took some screenshots, and want to make a walkthrough for idiots I setup linux for |
| 05:53.38 | bob2 | or you'll trash things |
| 05:53.53 | kdog | cleaverAlf, I'm using clam. It works like a charm. Haven't used bit defender |
| 05:54.04 | fruers | nvz: I can be an idiot, do you want me to take a look? |
| 05:54.08 | nvz | fruers: I dont think thats a real good idea, --purge just is complete removal, takes out config files and stuff |
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| 05:54.32 | nvz | fruers: well I havent started putting it togther yet.. I gotta makeup an html document or something to put the screenshots to |
| 05:54.37 | cleaverAlf | bdc has online update that i dont' see with calm.. how does it update the virus definations? |
| 05:54.47 | nvz | fruers: just took the screenshots yesturday |
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| 05:55.55 | kdog | cleaverAlf, the freshclam package handles the autoupdates |
| 05:55.55 | fruers | nvz: Ah ok, what's a good theme to use? |
| 05:56.08 | kdog | cleaverAlf, I have mine to update once a day. |
| 05:56.22 | kdog | cleaverAlf, I have mine set to update once a day. |
| 05:56.38 | cleaverAlf | kdog: i do mine with bdc everyother day... |
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| 05:56.45 | nvz | fruers: I am using derivative at the moment, but I liked that mono one with the gnome theme I am using. I made the color an aqua and it matched good |
| 05:56.58 | nvz | fruers: most all my windows are matched by sawfish anyhow |
| 05:57.04 | cleaverAlf | kdog: bdc --update and if your online.. bingo... |
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| 05:58.01 | fruers | nvz: Is that the same as grouping? |
| 05:58.04 | cleaverAlf | actually... clamav looks a lot like bdc from the man page i glanced at.. |
| 05:58.15 | fruers | nvz: Where you can group them under a single tab sort of thing? |
| 05:58.20 | nvz | fruers: heh |
| 05:58.23 | nvz | fruers: nope |
| 05:58.46 | nvz | fruers: its an extension to that stuff |
| 05:58.46 | grendal_prime | ok this is probably going to sound stupid...but here goes im trying to install xplane form dvd.. |
| 05:58.53 | nvz | fruers: matched windows can be configured independantly |
| 05:58.54 | grendal_prime | my drive is a dvd drive but it mounts up with these params |
| 05:58.56 | grendal_prime | /dev/hda /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 05:59.04 | MirageGarage | I got a kernel for 'celeron' but it didnt upgrade.. ill try one for 386. Whats the diff |
| 05:59.23 | xerophyte | is there something to replace this "find . -type f | grep -v '^.$'" |
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| 05:59.38 | nvz | fruers: you can choose matchers and grab the info from the window, then program in what location, size, depth, frame type, focus model, group..etc that window should appear |
| 05:59.44 | grendal_prime | im able to mount the drive and copy some files off the dvd data disk...but for some reason large fils...wich there are a lot ofon this disk..do not like to copy |
| 05:59.51 | MirageGarage | apm |
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| 06:00.20 | grendal_prime | should i create some OTHER device to read this? |
| 06:00.23 | pook | something is taking precedence over my /.xinitrc file in favor of gnome. How do i determine how to disable it? |
| 06:00.24 | cleaverAlf | quick group question while i'm still waiting for apt-get to finish installing kernel 2.6.8-2 ... can anyone recommend ya fluxbox type wm that has tabs? I love the tabs.. |
| 06:00.34 | nerve_ | hey guys, would anyone know of a howto on how to broadcast wireless internet to other users while you're hooked into a land line? |
| 06:00.34 | fruers | nvz: *nods*, sounds like you're right into sawfish, where do i find out how to do this stuff? |
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| 06:00.58 | pook | i dont have a dm....so i'm confused |
| 06:00.59 | nvz | fruers: I have my xsession starting two aterms and links2 -g google.com, sawfish matches them and arranges them above nautilus desktop but below all other windows at depth=-3, on workspace 2, and they all have enter-exit focus and are ignored and skipped on task/window lists and cyling. where as everything else has click focus |
| 06:01.14 | nvz | fruers: just open sawfish-ui from the sawfish rootmenu or from gnome |
| 06:01.16 | MirageGarage | doi have to reboot? I installed kernel 2.6.8-2, but kernelversion says 2.4 |
| 06:01.21 | nvz | fruers: its pretty easy to use |
| 06:01.29 | nvz | fruers: just need to know what the things mean |
| 06:02.21 | nvz | the aterms both run dual-attached screen session, one has a larger font and displays irssi, and the other is smaller for quick reference, as is the links2 |
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| 06:03.22 | dEa | what partition you prefer for lap top whitch hdd is 40 gb. I was thinking hda1/boot 200 mb, hda2/swap 512 mb, hda3/all whats left |
| 06:03.44 | paradigm | outer sectors are faster |
| 06:03.50 | paradigm | (usually) |
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| 06:04.10 | nvz | fruers: I turn on the coords when moving windows and resizing them, that helps for matchign windows. there are age old wishlist bugs filed for "grab" buttons for position and geometry of windows. |
| 06:04.19 | kaplanfx | I can't find a code anywhere for a 1600x1200 framebuffer |
| 06:04.23 | dEa | paradigm, what partiotion you prefear.. |
| 06:04.29 | paradigm | 1 |
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| 06:04.30 | kaplanfx | I get that its 0x31F |
| 06:04.35 | fruers | nvz: What is the homepage, i can't seem to find it |
| 06:04.37 | kaplanfx | but it converts to -207??? |
| 06:04.47 | cleaverAlf | ok... gota run and boot new kernel... with me luck.. |
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| 06:04.50 | kaplanfx | I need the code to put in grub |
| 06:04.53 | pook | I completely disabled my dm and something is taking precedence over my /.xinitrc file in favor of gnome. How do i determine how to disable it? |
| 06:04.56 | fruers | nvz: nm, found it |
| 06:04.59 | nvz | fruers: *shurg* its an old, old window manager, used to be called sawmill, and was for a long time the gnome wm of choice |
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| 06:05.25 | nvz | fruers: they started using megashitty which integrated with their new themes |
| 06:06.45 | Solet | nvz: what do i do when after installing a package (and reinstalling several times) several of the files that should have been installed are missing? the "find" command cant find them anywhere on the hard drive |
| 06:06.48 | edward_ | who here know how I can configure hangcheck |
| 06:06.57 | nvz | fruers: I cant find much better than sawfish in user control, so I cant go to what I feel is inferior over something dumb like theme integration. there are some other wms I like, but sawfish is easiest for me, I can do most everything I want to do from sawfish-ui without being knee-deep in docs and configs |
| 06:07.27 | nvz | Solet: I have not idea what you are talking about, you will need to provide some context |
| 06:07.35 | roo9 | where could i find a doccument describing the new /proc/partitions format? |
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| 06:08.05 | Solet | i installed xscreensaver-gl, and most of the screensavers that should be there are missing |
| 06:08.16 | nvz | sawfish gets me comfy fast so I can be knee deep in more important docs than for my wm |
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| 06:09.22 | nvz | ok, well what the hell are you asking me for would be my next question. |
| 06:09.35 | nvz | is nvz@irc.freenode.net in the manpage? |
| 06:09.41 | raf256 | fucking KDE |
| 06:09.44 | nvz | hehe |
| 06:09.49 | raf256 | how can I set |
| 06:09.52 | Solet | my basic question is "WTF" |
| 06:10.01 | raf256 | default email adress - that is given for each user |
| 06:10.01 | nvz | I hear you |
| 06:10.02 | Solet | i installed it but it didnt install |
| 06:10.07 | nvz | Solet: what did you install it with? |
| 06:10.12 | Solet | it tells me that it did... but it didnt |
| 06:10.13 | raf256 | so that it will use some other normal SMTP? |
| 06:11.03 | nvz | Solet: how did you install it? |
| 06:11.08 | raf256 | like - I will set email adress to raf256@localhost and host to localhost, and I will start some email server that will collect thoes emails, and will send them, using normal SMTP/POP3 with different user name/password to some server like yahoo etc |
| 06:11.28 | pook | I completely disabled my dm and something is taking precedence over my /.xinitrc file in favor of gnome. How do i determine how to disable it? |
| 06:11.29 | Solet | apt-get install xscreensaver-gl |
| 06:11.51 | nvz | pook: when you do what? startx or xinit? |
| 06:12.03 | pook | i startx |
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| 06:12.07 | nvz | Solet: try dpkg -L xscreensaver-gl | less |
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| 06:12.57 | nerve_ | would anyone know hwo to bridge an ethernet connection so that i can share it over wifi? |
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| 06:13.51 | Solet | yeah there are a bunch of files... atleast one i know of is missing and thats glmatrix, i googled to make sure that glmatrix is supposed to be in xscreensaver-gl and everywhere i found said yes its supposed to be there |
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| 06:14.32 | nvz | I am using this new thing I discovered. its called 'packagesearch' its a debian package search utility. its kind of ugly and it consumes too much memory about 23MB as much as synaptic, but cam run as normal user in X and you got a gtk frontend to apt-cache, debtags, apt-file. you can search for packages effeciently, and even saerch and view files of packages even not installed ones |
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| 06:16.37 | dEa | what was command in console to reconfigure networkcard |
| 06:16.44 | Solet | nvz i'll take that as a subtle hint... but what is the package name for packagesearch? (it doesnt appear to be on the first 2 cd's) |
| 06:16.49 | nvz | Solet: xscreensaver-gl: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/glmatrix |
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| 06:17.11 | nvz | Solet: you can just as easily install apt-file and use it from the command line |
| 06:17.17 | nvz | Solet: you got woody cds? |
| 06:17.35 | nvz | I just thought it was a neat idea to bring that together in a gtk search tool |
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| 06:17.43 | nvz | its just not very elegantly done |
| 06:17.44 | Solet | nvz: that wasnt in the list that it gave me with the dpkg -L |
| 06:17.56 | Solet | yeah i got woody cd's |
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| 06:18.05 | nvz | Solet: well packagesearch used apt-file and showed me the contents of the sarge package |
| 06:18.13 | dEa | how i can reconfigure my networkcard.. woody didnt find my ethernetcard dirver.. |
| 06:18.32 | nvz | Solet: Available Version: 4.16-1 |
| 06:19.03 | jm_ | dEa: install a real kernel, load the module |
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| 06:19.04 | Solet | so glmatrix !isin woody? |
| 06:19.20 | nvz | Solet: didnt show up in dpkg -L? |
| 06:19.28 | Solet | nope |
| 06:19.51 | nvz | !find glmatrix woody |
| 06:19.55 | dEa | jm_: no no i want select it from list |
| 06:20.05 | dEa | damn i have forgot that command |
| 06:20.33 | lightbright | ugggh |
| 06:20.34 | jm_ | dEa: yes, install the kernel and modconf will list them all - you can try using it with current kernel, but it may have less drivers |
| 06:20.38 | nvz | Solet: probably not then. :P |
| 06:21.00 | sussudio | !seen pigs |
| 06:21.01 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'pigs', sussudio |
| 06:21.32 | Solet | nvz: if i got the glmatrix file and put it in the folder, do you think it would work? |
| 06:21.46 | Solet | or does it need to be in a registry? |
| 06:21.56 | lightbright | how do i look at my boot log? |
| 06:21.57 | dEa | jm_: tahnx.. that command i was searching ;) |
| 06:22.06 | nvz | Solet: hah a registry :P I dont know. you are omline on this box? |
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| 06:22.24 | Solet | no my linux box isnt online... |
| 06:22.31 | atrus | trying to use linphone from behind a NAT router. linphone connects, but says: "Error sending rtp packet: Bad file descriptor." over and over and over again. Suggestions? |
| 06:22.33 | Solet | but i have infinite floppies and cd-r's |
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| 06:22.57 | lightbright | dpkg: klog |
| 06:22.57 | dpkg | lightbright: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 06:23.08 | nvz | Solet: well you can d/l the sarge package and install it with dpkg I suppose :P |
| 06:23.09 | lightbright | dpkg: boot log |
| 06:23.09 | dpkg | lightbright: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 06:23.14 | simonrvn | lightbright: there's the "every debian box has it" log ,/var/log/dmesg and then there's "only enabled if bootlogd is" one at /var/log/boot. system logs are 99% of the time in /var/log on debian machines |
| 06:23.16 | nvz | Solet: its like 2mb |
| 06:23.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'glmatrix' returned no results. |
| 06:24.07 | nvz | Solet: no wait you got woody right? |
| 06:24.19 | Solet | yeah i'm on woody |
| 06:24.20 | nvz | !dpkg info libc6 woody |
| 06:24.24 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.5 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
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| 06:25.45 | nvz | well xscreensaver-gl Version: 4.16-1 (sarge) Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), but libc6 (woody) is Version: 2.2.5-11.5 |
| 06:26.06 | nvz | thats not good |
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| 06:26.13 | nvz | Solet: why no inet on the linux box? |
| 06:26.26 | Solet | nvz: wont talk to usb wifi |
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| 06:26.45 | Solet | and i havent had time to pull a pci wifi from another machine and put usb wifi on other machine |
| 06:26.48 | nvz | Solet: all you got is a usb wifi device and you are online? |
| 06:27.33 | lightbright | Did it. |
| 06:27.34 | Solet | i got 1 usb 1 pci and 1 asus-interface pci |
| 06:27.42 | nvz | Solet: how long you had woody? |
| 06:27.52 | Solet | lol bouta week |
| 06:28.06 | lightbright | simonrvn: Thanks... just what i needed |
| 06:28.09 | Solet | just now starting to figure it out too :P |
| 06:28.19 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:28.42 | nvz | man listen. you should get a debian-installer cd, probably netinstall |
| 06:28.49 | nvz | start over |
| 06:28.55 | nvz | get a 2.6 kernel |
| 06:29.02 | simonrvn | i don't have that man page |
| 06:29.02 | nvz | get online. |
| 06:29.21 | simonrvn | oh wait, maybe i do |
| 06:29.22 | Solet | i have all seven woody's and the woody netinstall |
| 06:29.36 | nvz | Solet: me too, I never touch em |
| 06:29.38 | Solet | what kernel is on the woody cd's |
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| 06:29.52 | simonrvn | yup, man 2 listen ;) |
| 06:29.58 | nvz | Solet: I got a 3disk set of Debian 2.2 Potato, but you dont see me installing that |
| 06:30.01 | simonrvn | listen() |
| 06:30.23 | Solet | (only the first 2 are burned the other's are still iso's on my primary machine) |
| 06:30.26 | nvz | Solet: I use my minicd that has a Debian-Installer rc2 for Debian 3.1 Sarge on it |
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| 06:30.49 | nvz | Solet: with Linux 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 IIRC |
| 06:31.17 | nvz | Solet: where yours have Linux 2.2.20-idepci and 2.4.19-bf2.4 ?? I guess |
| 06:31.22 | nvz | and you got new hardware |
| 06:31.26 | nvz | thats the catch |
| 06:31.33 | lightbright | is it ok to rm /usr/src/linux-2.6.10 linux ? |
| 06:31.43 | lightbright | after compilation that is? |
| 06:31.59 | nvz | lightbright: did you boot and all is well? |
| 06:32.06 | Solet | only new hardware i got is the wifi stuff... aside from that everything in that box is 10+ years old |
| 06:32.09 | nvz | lightbright: make any doc or headers packages you may need or want later? |
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| 06:32.34 | nvz | Solet: yeah only that stuff that gets your 10 year old box on line, nothing important |
| 06:32.37 | lightbright | nvz: if i did just make is that all there? |
| 06:32.47 | Solet | lol |
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| 06:33.08 | nvz | Solet: so you d/l tons of 2 year old software to make it feel old, instead of making it feel young again |
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| 06:33.19 | nvz | Solet: crunching on some fresh testing code with bugs |
| 06:33.31 | jair_11 | guys I am trying to create a ext3 on a new HD I install on my computer. |
| 06:33.33 | simonrvn | hehe, well put |
| 06:33.33 | nvz | lightbright: haha |
| 06:33.43 | nvz | lightbright: you should have used make-kpkg |
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| 06:33.54 | jair_11 | I have a new WD 250GB and I already partition it with Linux type |
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| 06:34.07 | nvz | lightbright: doing it the manual way is more than one step |
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| 06:34.24 | jair_11 | I know the process of mout it but where I am kind of confuse in on create it ext3 |
| 06:34.30 | simonrvn | jair_11: mkfs.$fstype /dev/drive_partition |
| 06:34.42 | Solet | i went with woody instead of sarge cause i figured with woody _I_ am the only bug on my system... so its pretty reliable for me learning linux |
| 06:35.02 | simonrvn | jair_11: try tab completing it. |
| 06:35.09 | lightbright | nvz: ok.. I read a howto.. i'm a kernel newbie. the howto said do make bzImage |
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| 06:35.30 | jair_11 | simonrvn, ok I have this command script: -> root# mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/hdb1 |
| 06:35.33 | lightbright | nvz: after I did make menuconfig the output said do make |
| 06:35.46 | nvz | lightbright: with kernel-package there is a target I think it is buildpackage which runs targets binary and clean, and builds you kernel_source, kernel_headers, kernel_doc, and kernel_image |
| 06:35.47 | simonrvn | jair_11: default is 4096 |
| 06:36.05 | nvz | lightbright: you add --rootcmd=fakeroot and --config=menuconfig in there and you are set |
| 06:36.06 | jair_11 | simonrvn, and what i am concern about is that what means the "-b 4096"? |
| 06:36.21 | nvz | lightbright: it lets you configure, and then builds you 4 deb pacakges to install |
| 06:36.32 | jair_11 | simonrvn, but what that means ? the size of this HD is 250GB |
| 06:37.09 | simonrvn | jair_11: blocksize. default is 4096 |
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| 06:37.42 | nvz | lightbright: all together say it with me: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package fakeroot libncurese5-dev, then goto the source dir as your user, not as root, and: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage, and that is the debian way :P |
| 06:37.46 | simonrvn | jair_11: man mkfs.ext3 |
| 06:38.16 | ndazza | nvz: easy... |
| 06:38.27 | nvz | lightbright: you would also install a kernel-source package or wget and fetch one from kernel.org, but I think you figured that part out so far |
| 06:38.36 | nvz | lightbright: just got some bad habbits from somehwere |
| 06:38.46 | lightbright | nvz: thanks.. |
| 06:38.50 | ndazza | jair_11: block size is the smallest amount of space a file will take up on the disk... 4096 is usually fine |
| 06:39.18 | jair_11 | simonrvn, I did that already but the only thing that confuse the most newbies is the man pages I should work on make the man pages more simple and easy to understand. (all commands you came with an example) ;) |
| 06:39.32 | jair_11 | ndazza, ohhh ok |
| 06:39.56 | nvz | I really like that, because you can use the fakeroot and buildpackage and toss those 4 packages right onto a backup media, and you got your custom kernel image, source, headers, and documentation pacakges |
| 06:40.01 | jair_11 | so simonrvn the script: -> mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/hdb1 |
| 06:40.09 | simonrvn | jair_11: yes most man pages suck for newbies (even experienced people) |
| 06:40.09 | jair_11 | it will be good |
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| 06:40.30 | lightbright | nvz: that's what I needed to do next. |
| 06:40.46 | jair_11 | I need to add the hdb1 the number "1" right? |
| 06:40.50 | ndazza | jair_11: the point of man pages is not to be newbie friendly, it is intended as a complete command reference... Once you master the man pages there's few things you can't do |
| 06:41.01 | nvz | lightbright: kernel-package does it all |
| 06:41.03 | lightbright | nvz: I just spent the last week trying to get my build right for the application |
| 06:41.03 | jair_11 | hahah right |
| 06:41.08 | jair_11 | ndazza, right |
| 06:41.33 | jair_11 | ndazza, so this script will work for me? mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/hdb1 adding the "1" and the end |
| 06:41.42 | ndazza | and the info pages... and probably the howto's, the dfsg.... |
| 06:41.55 | simonrvn | newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 06:42.00 | quitte_ | does someone know if there is wacom tablet support in woody? |
| 06:42.02 | jair_11 | and I partition this HD as a primary right because it is not an extended? |
| 06:42.09 | lightbright | nvz: so I could install it from a cd or the net ? |
| 06:42.24 | nvz | lightbright: install what? |
| 06:42.26 | nvz | :P |
| 06:42.31 | ndazza | jair_11: that script will work for you if you have a single 250gb primary partition on the drive yes |
| 06:43.21 | sussudio | hey now hey now now sing this corrosion with me |
| 06:43.29 | lightbright | nvz: i guess I dont follow... I was hoping to backup all the work I did. and perhaps stamp it out on another box of similar specs. |
| 06:44.06 | zignig | lightbright: lots of copies or just a few ? |
| 06:44.32 | lightbright | nvz: probably a few. |
| 06:44.44 | jair_11 | ndazza, the I will go ahead and follow the tutorial |
| 06:44.49 | jair_11 | ndazza, thank you |
| 06:45.06 | lightbright | Guess i could try that partimage |
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| 06:45.17 | ndazza | jair_11: np |
| 06:45.23 | nvz | lightbright: yeah well like I said its best to build a kernel the debian way. you install kernel-package build-essential fakeroot libncurses5-dev and run make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --config=menuconfig buildpackage, and it will after it lets you configure the kernel properly, build you a kernel-image.deb kernel-headers.deb kernel-source.deb and kernel-doc.deb you can backup and install with dpkg -i easily on any machine you install |
| 06:45.23 | zignig | lightbright: or bacula ( backup program ) |
| 06:45.39 | jair_11 | ok |
| 06:45.43 | jair_11 | let's check |
| 06:46.20 | nvz | lightbright: you have then the source should you need to recompile in a deb, the headers should you need to compile modules for video, or something at a later date, and the documentation as well should you need it |
| 06:47.45 | lightbright | nvz: hope you dont mind I'm cut'n and a paste'n what your say'n |
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| 06:48.42 | nvz | lightbright: its all in the make-kpkg manpage. it also is able to patch source and everything all from one command line. the fakeroot command is nice, because it allows you to build without being root |
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| 06:49.24 | lightbright | nvz: thanks! |
| 06:49.48 | lightbright | zignig: I'll look into bacula too. |
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| 06:50.09 | nvz | that buildpackage is just a cool target, it implies binary which is kernel_image, kernel_headers, kernel_source, and kernel_image, as well as clean saves a lot of typing |
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| 06:51.03 | jair_11 | ndazza, what do you recommend reiferfs or ext3? |
| 06:51.13 | jair_11 | ext3 is the same as a journal? right? |
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| 06:53.18 | eonn | anyone here going to the SLUG meeting this friday |
| 06:53.24 | eonn | ? |
| 06:53.42 | c4_ | what is the ?? in /etc/gpm.conf to make the mouse movement faster? |
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| 06:54.19 | c4_ | it seems that my mouse was shaking the monkey |
| 06:54.34 | hbrednek | My CUPS daemon doesn't seem to allow connections from outside localhost. Its predecessor on Knoppix handled external connections without a problem. Is there some configuration change I need to to make this possible? |
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| 06:55.08 | nvz | heh |
| 06:55.40 | c4_ | weLlLllll |
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| 06:58.04 | rbrenart | I can't seem to dig sound out of wine, and the #winehq channel is basically dead, anyone here able to help out? |
| 06:58.12 | jm_ | hdredlyes |
| 06:58.18 | jm_ | hbrednek: yes |
| 06:59.10 | rbrenart | Unfortunately I don't know what information is useful... running debian unstable with wine, trying to get a program called Rosetta Stone to work, it all seems fine, but no sound |
| 06:59.15 | hbrednek | jm_: Any suggestions as to what? |
| 07:00.04 | jm_ | hbrednek: did you read Software Administrators Manual? |
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| 07:00.37 | jair_11 | ndazza, is this ok: |
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| 07:01.37 | jm_ | hbrednek: how about README.Debian.gz? |
| 07:01.38 | hbrednek | jm_: Ah yes, of course. Actually I have a program to do that. That is, to simulate an IRC channel where whenever a question is asked, it tells you to read the manual. I should have just run that instead. |
| 07:01.51 | jair_11 | ndazza, http://pastebin.com/245315 |
| 07:02.02 | jm_ | hbrednek: yes, or maybe you should stick to Windows |
| 07:02.11 | jair_11 | ndazza, the device is 250 GB why I only have 230? |
| 07:02.24 | jair_11 | ndazza, I am losing 20GB???? |
| 07:02.36 | hbrednek | jm_: Did you read the Windows manual? |
| 07:02.48 | jm_ | hbrednek: why would I? I don't use Windows |
| 07:02.52 | liberion | hey guys i need the repos for sarge for my sources.list for US |
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| 07:03.00 | cat | liberion: apt-setup as root, |
| 07:03.06 | hbrednek | jm_: Did you read the "I don't use" manual? |
| 07:03.10 | jair_11 | http://pastebin.com/245315 guys I format and mout a 250 GB hd and I got only 230GB to use ??? is this ok? |
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| 07:03.17 | liberion | cat: thanx man |
| 07:03.22 | cat | np |
| 07:03.22 | jm_ | hbrednek: no, I read the "How to handle retards" manual |
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| 07:03.50 | cat | lol |
| 07:03.54 | lightbright | nvz: I got a permission denied while it tried to create config.precious |
| 07:03.59 | rbrenart | jair_11 : Yes, it's fine. |
| 07:04.00 | hbrednek | jm_: Did you read the "I read the "How to handle retards" manual manual? See how easy this is, as well as how pointless? |
| 07:04.01 | jair_11 | I used the script -> mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/hdb1 |
| 07:04.29 | jm_ | you see, if you weren't such a moron and you wouldn't jump on someone who's trying to help you and asks you to read something, by now you would know what to do, but good luck |
| 07:04.40 | jair_11 | rbrenart, how in the world is that possible, I am losing 20GB |
| 07:04.46 | jair_11 | that is a lot. |
| 07:04.50 | anchovie | errr, hello everyone |
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| 07:04.55 | hbrednek | jm_: Telling someone to go read a manual isn't help. It's supercilious crap. |
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| 07:05.03 | jair_11 | rbrenart, check the results -> mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 /dev/hdb1 |
| 07:05.09 | NoRC | how do i capture information from a com port to a txt file in debian? |
| 07:05.17 | jair_11 | http://pastebin.com/245315 |
| 07:05.19 | anchovie | I'm a total n00b, where can I start in order to get a mail checker set up on my debian box? |
| 07:05.29 | jair_11 | rbrenart, check the results -> http://pastebin.com/245315 |
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| 07:05.29 | NoRC | more so com1/com2 to /tmp/phonelog.txt |
| 07:05.33 | rbrenart | jair_11, : You're not losing anything.. the marketting dpartment measures a gig as 1000 Megabytes, the tech department measures it as 1024*1024 bytes |
| 07:05.39 | MobyTurbo | hbrednek: you may ask yourself how people in this channel know more than you. The answer is they read manuals, which for some reason you seem to be refusing. |
| 07:05.43 | anchovie | mail client too |
| 07:05.49 | jm_ | NoRC: apt-cache search serial port log |
| 07:05.52 | jair_11 | ohhh ok |
| 07:05.57 | jair_11 | marketing right |
| 07:06.05 | jair_11 | rbrenart, mother %^$# |
| 07:06.09 | jair_11 | it is ok |
| 07:06.16 | jair_11 | I was the silly |
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| 07:06.50 | jm_ | anchovie: what mail checker? |
| 07:07.01 | jair_11 | good I should get more into bytes intro and hardware binary, ip addressing believe me I am very bad on those very important terms. |
| 07:07.18 | hbrednek | jm_: Did you read the mail checker manual? |
| 07:07.35 | jm_ | mental ignores are lovely |
| 07:07.45 | anchovie | jm_: Any will do, I onlt have the most basic debian set up right now |
| 07:07.55 | hbrednek | jm_: Did you read that in the manual> |
| 07:07.57 | jm_ | anchovie: ok, so what exactly is it you want to do? |
| 07:08.14 | hbrednek | he wants to read a manual. |
| 07:08.35 | cheal|ignored | anchovie: a particular DE? |
| 07:08.40 | sussudio | i see something that starts with S and ends in pambot |
| 07:08.46 | anchovie | I'd like to be able to read, check and write e-mail from this server |
| 07:08.51 | NoRC | thanks that worked :P |
| 07:08.55 | jair_11 | nice guys thnak you very much |
| 07:09.05 | jair_11 | I will start creating my backup. |
| 07:09.06 | anchovie | from like, a gmail account or whatnot |
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| 07:09.29 | jm_ | anchovie: doesn't gmail let you download mail via POP3? |
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| 07:09.33 | anchovie | yeah |
| 07:09.35 | sussudio | !ops SoS spambot |
| 07:09.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS spambot |
| 07:09.41 | pirlouit | hello |
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| 07:10.01 | pirlouit | whats the name of that tool that allows you to build a basic debian root filesystem ? |
| 07:10.01 | jm_ | so use a pop3 client to fetch it, or configure your MUA to get mails from it |
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| 07:10.11 | sussudio | ktnx |
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| 07:10.15 | lightbright | Thanks everyone for all your help. There's lots of manuals. I'm glad you all are here to point us newbies to some of the more required reading. |
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| 07:10.42 | maher | does anyone know a good way of embedding a spreadsheet into a webpage? |
| 07:10.58 | jm_ | maher: export it as HTML, Gnumeric can do that for example |
| 07:10.59 | anchovie | are there any tutorials that explain how to configure these? or maybe there's a quick configuration util or file to mess with |
| 07:11.13 | maher | jm_: i want to edit it thru a browser |
| 07:11.46 | jm_ | anchovie: well GUI clients are usually simple to configure, fetchmail also has good manual |
| 07:11.51 | MobyTurbo | anchovie: if your MTA doesn't have POP3 fetching, get fetchmail and man fetchmailrc (the configuration file is straightforward) |
| 07:12.14 | anchovie | bleh... Xwindows isn't working properly on my debian machine as of yet |
| 07:12.18 | lightbright | maher: is the data gonna change / update local or server side? |
| 07:12.45 | maher | lightbright: i want data change remotely |
| 07:12.46 | jm_ | maher: well it doesn't work that way in Linux |
| 07:13.03 | anchovie | jm_: I think it's my nvidia card that's messing things up, so it'll have to be a bash mail client |
| 07:13.06 | maher | jm_: yet |
| 07:13.08 | lightbright | maher: hmm.. is it excell or something else? |
| 07:13.09 | MobyTurbo | anchovie: did you install a complete or near-complete X setup? (x-window-system or x-window-system-core + WM + term) |
| 07:13.17 | linnuxxy | im moving from fc3 to debian 3.......what is the 2 update CD in the download sites for? |
| 07:13.19 | maher | lightbright: i don't care which spreadsheet |
| 07:13.26 | jm_ | maher: on the other hand, Gnome supports several backends for file operations, so you can work with remote files somewhat transparently |
| 07:13.32 | linnuxxy | should i download them? |
| 07:13.34 | anchovie | yeah, I'm getting an error when I try to start x |
| 07:13.43 | maher | jm_: i want to do it rhu the browser |
| 07:13.47 | cheal|ignored | linnuxxy: do you have 3.0r4 or what revision? |
| 07:14.05 | anchovie | MobyTurbo: "Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration." |
| 07:14.12 | lightbright | maher: im just wondering if there isnt an applet or serverlet out there allready |
| 07:14.19 | jm_ | maher: well good luck |
| 07:14.20 | cheal|ignored | !no screens found |
| 07:14.20 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
| 07:14.23 | linnuxxy | im downloading 30r4 |
| 07:14.30 | maher | lightbright: i've been looking but haven't found one yet |
| 07:14.37 | cheal|ignored | linnuxxy: so you won't need the,m |
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| 07:14.54 | anchovie | dpkg: I talked to someone yesterday, I looked through the log files, but I'll check again |
| 07:14.54 | dpkg | anchovie: You are moron #36 |
| 07:15.00 | jm_ | heh |
| 07:15.04 | anchovie | dpkg: Thanks |
| 07:15.04 | dpkg | no problem, anchovie |
| 07:15.04 | linnuxxy | cheal|ignored:ok.....thnx |
| 07:15.18 | lightbright | maher: i seem to recall a swing class for that kinda thing... bet you might find some answers in a java room. |
| 07:15.20 | MobyTurbo | anchovie: dpkg is a bot |
| 07:15.40 | anchovie | oh |
| 07:15.41 | lightbright | maher: sorry i dont have a more direct solution |
| 07:16.02 | anchovie | I figured that would be why I got such a quick response |
| 07:16.04 | linnuxxy | what about the boot-nonUS what is it for? |
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| 07:16.29 | anchovie | anyways, so there's my problem with Xwindows, and I looked through the logs, and tried to reconfigure it |
| 07:16.47 | cheal|ignored | linnuxxy: just curious, how do you plan to use your debian install? |
| 07:17.09 | anchovie | it's the only eror I was able to find, but I've heard the support on nvidia cards is limited, and I have a geforce 3 in there (although it seems to recognize it) |
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| 07:17.31 | jm_ | geforce3? where did you find that? :) |
| 07:18.21 | anchovie | I bought it a long ass time ago |
| 07:18.21 | lightbright | maher: http://sys-con.com/itsg/virtualcd/Java/archives/0504/spencer/ |
| 07:18.37 | lightbright | maher: that was one google hit |
| 07:18.38 | jm_ | anchovie: Woody has XFree86 4.1.0, which means it only supports Nvidia chips up to GeForce2 |
| 07:18.50 | anchovie | ah balls |
| 07:19.00 | jm_ | anchovie: you best bet is to just upgrade to Sarge |
| 07:19.01 | maher | lightbright: thanks - i'm also looking at jspreadsheet... |
| 07:19.05 | jm_ | your even |
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| 07:19.26 | anchovie | hmm... Sarge is a different distribution of Debian? |
| 07:19.29 | jm_ | there are also xf4.3 backports for Woody, if you want to go that path |
| 07:19.46 | jm_ | it's a newer one, which will be released as stable at some point |
| 07:19.49 | anchovie | jm_: how would I go about upgrading to sarge, or backporting to xf4.3? |
| 07:19.51 | cheal|ignored | !tell anchovie about releases |
| 07:20.14 | cheal|ignored | !tell anchovie about d-i |
| 07:20.27 | cheal|ignored | anchovie: that last msg from dpkg is about upgrading to sarge |
| 07:20.28 | jm_ | anchovie: for backports you need to go to http://backports.org/ and add relevant lines to sources.list and just install new version, for upgrade to sarge: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 07:20.51 | lightbright | maher: good. I must call it a night. |
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| 07:21.41 | cheal|ignored | !tell anchovie about xf4.3 woody |
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| 07:22.00 | lightbright | sleep(); |
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| 07:22.14 | cheal|ignored | Error : Undeclared function |
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| 07:22.26 | jm_ | doh, backports only has 4.2 |
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| 07:22.38 | anchovie | sarge it is |
| 07:22.49 | jm_ | yeah, Sarge is a better choice for other reasons too |
| 07:22.52 | cheal|ignored | anchovie: yes. are you installing a desktop? |
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| 07:23.57 | anchovie | cheal|ignored: yeah, for now |
| 07:24.09 | cheal|ignored | anchovie: then start downloading your sarge CD |
| 07:25.12 | jm_ | why would he download that when he has Debian installed already? |
| 07:25.15 | anchovie | k... |
| 07:25.23 | anchovie | yeah... is there an easier way? |
| 07:25.25 | jm_ | anchovie: no, don't do that - upgrade it over the net |
| 07:25.42 | jm_ | did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 07:25.59 | anchovie | yeah... although I didn't understand it that well |
| 07:26.09 | anchovie | bleh, sorry, I'm such a noob |
| 07:26.24 | cheal|ignored | just tell what you don't understand, we'l try to help you |
| 07:26.26 | jm_ | hmm, which part is not understandable in there? |
| 07:26.58 | anchovie | it says to go to /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge" |
| 07:27.06 | jm_ | no, it doesn't say that |
| 07:27.13 | jm_ | it says you have to edit that file |
| 07:27.21 | cat | sarge is unstable |
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| 07:27.28 | cheal|ignored | cat: ??? |
| 07:27.31 | EgoG3 | yeah |
| 07:27.32 | cat | stable is woody |
| 07:27.40 | cheal|ignored | !release |
| 07:27.40 | dpkg | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be "etch" |
| 07:27.57 | cat | well unstable is sid then |
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| 07:28.10 | mairu | Hello all. Which one is better for a designer/developer? |
| 07:28.15 | cheal|ignored | yes. testing and unstable have precise meanings for debian |
| 07:28.31 | cat | mairu: freebsd |
| 07:28.34 | cheal|ignored | mairu: uh, which what? |
| 07:28.46 | mairu | cheal|ignored: which release of debian? |
| 07:28.51 | cat | latest, |
| 07:28.51 | mairu | cat: why? |
| 07:28.53 | anchovie | k... so all I have to do is change "stable" to "sarge" |
| 07:28.56 | anchovie | ? |
| 07:29.01 | cheal|ignored | mairu: probably testing |
| 07:29.06 | mairu | cat: Why freebsd? |
| 07:29.08 | cat | just put, testing anchovie |
| 07:29.12 | cat | mairu: why not? |
| 07:29.25 | mairu | cat: How do you compare freebsd with debian? |
| 07:29.48 | cat | mairu: debian has a bsd version debian-bsd |
| 07:30.01 | mairu | oh wow, didn't know. |
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| 07:30.14 | Coke | it's not freebsd |
| 07:30.19 | cheal|ignored | I don't think this is much to be happy about |
| 07:30.30 | cheal|ignored | yet... |
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| 07:31.08 | cheal|ignored | !freebsd |
| 07:31.08 | dpkg | well, freebsd is NOT better than debian, or a robust UNIX-like operating system, especially good in handling network services. See http://www.freebsd.org/ Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation, because let's face it, Linux is what drives modern UNIX GUI. |
| 07:31.09 | Coke | mairu: what are you comparing? |
| 07:31.31 | Coke | and "better" is a very loose and relative term. |
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| 07:31.59 | Coke | if you want to run freebsd, debian is a very bad choice because they are not the same at all. |
| 07:32.26 | mairu | Coke: I am trying to figure out which flavour of linux is best for me. ( I'm a designer/developer) |
| 07:32.49 | Coke | mairu: "designer" as in graphics and layouts? |
| 07:33.25 | mairu | Yes, even 3-d. And Video rendering. |
| 07:33.42 | Coke | mairu: how good are you with GNU systems? |
| 07:34.06 | mairu | I haven't worked on one before as such. I dual boot with Fedora, but I don't really like it. |
| 07:34.19 | Coke | mairu: buy a mac and go with osx |
| 07:34.32 | MacTAnzu | Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
| 07:34.50 | anchovie | woo... this is gonna take a little while |
| 07:35.01 | cheal|ignored | anchovie: what did you get? |
| 07:35.07 | mairu | I am insistent on using an open source technology. Even when I'm in windoze, I use GIMP, Cinepaint Cinelerra, all sorts of simulations. |
| 07:35.20 | simonrvn | good for you |
| 07:35.23 | anchovie | testing |
| 07:35.25 | Coke | mairu: you can probably find osx ports for those |
| 07:35.37 | mairu | Coke: Still does not solve my problem. |
| 07:35.39 | cheal|ignored | anchovie: the first CD? what? |
| 07:35.43 | mairu | I hate Macs. |
| 07:35.52 | Coke | mairu: quit hating and start loving |
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| 07:36.12 | sussudio | nein |
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| 07:36.20 | anchovie | cheal|ignored: I don't actually know, i'm doing the dist-upgrade |
| 07:36.27 | cheal|ignored | anchovie: oh sorry |
| 07:36.32 | sussudio | macs are evil |
| 07:36.44 | cheal|ignored | yeah almost every package is replaced anyway |
| 07:36.49 | anchovie | hehe |
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| 07:36.53 | simonrvn | i'm more of a ppc fan than a mac fan - mac ppc just happens to be the most common ppc sub-arch |
| 07:37.10 | anchovie | it's downloading pretty quickly though, I'm surprised |
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| 07:37.25 | Coke | mairu: the bottom line is that I find Debian GNU/Linux the best multi-purpose operating system on this planet right now. It is the most user-friendly OS I have ever used. However, having given Debian all that cred, bare in mind that Debian does not tolerate ignorance. |
| 07:37.34 | simonrvn | yeh, you don't have the overhead of all those trojans ;p |
| 07:37.51 | Coke | thus is very poorly suited for newbies |
| 07:37.52 | simonrvn | directhex: peggie II ? dual proc? :) |
| 07:38.25 | anchovie | better than suse though... bleh, didn't like suse very much at all |
| 07:38.31 | sep | anchovie: there is a difference between beeing ignorant and willing to learn, and beeing ignorant and want to be spoonfed |
| 07:38.31 | mairu | Coke: I fail to understand what you mean by ignorance. Am I being ignorant of something? |
| 07:38.35 | directhex | simonrvn, how about i enthuse about a future vaporware product, and don't pay my staff instead? |
| 07:38.56 | anchovie | sep: thanks? |
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| 07:39.00 | simonrvn | pegasos 2 isn't vapourware. ask svenl |
| 07:39.15 | simonrvn | oh and Piru, to name a couple |
| 07:39.16 | lazybone | Hi,all!Where can I find the info about samsung KM29U128T ? |
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| 07:39.29 | simonrvn | google for starters |
| 07:39.29 | Code_Dark | ... |
| 07:39.47 | directhex | simonrvn, i might be kidding. or not. i have no real time for hobbyist hardware like pegasos |
| 07:39.52 | sussudio | !tell lazybone about lazy |
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| 07:40.29 | anchovie | I think the problem is that I'm willing to learn but most of the time I have trouble finding where to look, so I end up feeling like I need to be spoonfed info |
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| 07:40.35 | anchovie | I'm getting better at finding info though |
| 07:41.02 | MobyTurbo | anchovie: man and /usr/share/doc are usually all you need |
| 07:41.12 | Coke | mairu: do you know how debian works? |
| 07:41.18 | simonrvn | eventually the info almost finds you, you get used to finding it, sooner or later |
| 07:42.01 | mairu | Coke: you use very general terms, and it is difficult to comprehend where you are going with your questions. |
| 07:42.14 | Coke | mairu: have you used Debian before? |
| 07:42.21 | mairu | Coke: yes. |
| 07:42.35 | Coke | mairu: so that would mean that you are not completely ignorant on the topic. |
| 07:42.42 | anchovie | MobyTurbo: hmmm... thanks, I'll check that out |
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| 07:43.13 | mairu | Coke: Nope. I have used some other flavours of GNU OS's as well, and i have some idea, but i wanted to get a more precise point of view from the people here. |
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| 07:43.44 | mairu | Coke: For example, designers, what flavour do they find friendly to use? |
| 07:43.55 | Coke | mairu: If you already have some GNU and Debian-knowledge and you are willing to extend that knowledge further, Debian is your friend! |
| 07:44.04 | Coke | mairu: osx or windows |
| 07:44.11 | anchovie | whoa... there's a lot of info in there |
| 07:44.23 | mairu | Coke: GNU's OS's .. |
| 07:44.29 | mairu | GNU OS's* |
| 07:44.32 | herbi | can someone give me a hand with my courier issues...nobody in #courier seems to be around. exim is delivering mail fine to $HOME/Maildir, but courier isnt letting people access it. /var/log/maillog shows NO errors |
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| 07:44.42 | Coke | mairu: they don't. that's why mac and windows combined have like 99% of the desktop |
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| 07:45.00 | comlord | hello mairu |
| 07:45.07 | mairu | hi comlord |
| 07:45.12 | herbi | i have the MAILDIRPATH=Maildir line set in /etc/courier-imap/imapd and everythnig :( |
| 07:45.27 | Coke | mairu: I'm not saying that Debian (or any other GNU/Linux dist) isn't well suited for the job, I'm just saying that those kind of people generally prefer OSX or Windows. |
| 07:46.10 | comlord | I love debian.I'm chinese people. |
| 07:46.18 | Mal | Excuse me, does anyone have any idea what's going on here? I had working DVD burning under kernel 2.6.0, but just upgraded to 2.6.10 and now the whole system freezes completely when I try to burn one. It coasterizes the DVD too. Any ideas? |
| 07:46.19 | mairu | lol |
| 07:46.31 | mairu | Coke: I know. but my endeavour is to run my business encouraging open source technologies. I'm an active part of my local LUG as well, not that new to Linux. |
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| 07:46.44 | Coke | mairu: I work in the "IT and Media" department. All the programmers use stuff like GNU, *BSD and some even OSX. The media people use Mac's almost exclusively. |
| 07:47.10 | mairu | Coke: I know. It's the industry standard. I use it too. But I want to change now. |
| 07:47.12 | anchovie | how do you list a directory showing a page at a time instead of the whole directory all at once? |
| 07:47.18 | Coke | mairu: Debian _IS_ the best multi-purpose OS ever. |
| 07:47.22 | comlord | I can't drive my opl3 sound card. |
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| 07:47.25 | herbi | anyone? :( |
| 07:47.37 | Mal | anakin_z: ls | more |
| 07:47.37 | Mal | err... |
| 07:47.37 | Mal | anchovie: ls | more |
| 07:47.40 | mairu | Coke: I see. Thanks. :-) |
| 07:47.55 | anchovie | nice... thansk |
| 07:47.59 | Coke | mairu: if you have the competence, or the willingness to learn, Debian does it in a way you always enjoy. |
| 07:48.15 | mairu | Coke: Sounds good. |
| 07:48.21 | Coke | I'm currently running a Lunar Linux installation because I'm testing it for the university. |
| 07:48.24 | MobyTurbo | anchovie: if you get frustrated by more's limitations, apt-get install less |
| 07:48.25 | Coke | IT SUCKS! |
| 07:48.41 | comlord | mairu, can you help me? |
| 07:48.52 | Coke | All the FreeBSD servers we have; sucks ass too. |
| 07:49.04 | mairu | comlord: With your opl3 sound card? |
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| 07:49.40 | comlord | yes, I am use Dynabook satellite 2520. |
| 07:49.41 | Coke | When I get home I apt-get update and upgrade just to see the marvels of the second millenia, the technology of SANE PACKAGE MAINTENANCE! |
| 07:49.42 | MobyTurbo | FreeBSD 4.x was a halfway-decent server OS. 5.x looks bad though, at least for UP |
| 07:50.12 | mairu | comlord, sorry, no idea! stick around, lot of helpful people here. keep asking! |
| 07:50.19 | mairu | Thanks Coke buddy ;) |
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| 07:51.19 | comlord | Ok,thank you very much! |
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| 07:51.26 | mairu | np |
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| 07:51.56 | herbi | cmon guys, someone has to have SOME idea |
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| 07:52.25 | sep | comlord: sarge ? are you using alsa ? /msg dpkg alsa |
| 07:53.10 | comlord | sep, yes. |
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| 07:53.47 | sep | comlord: and your installing it the way dpkg suggests ? |
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| 07:54.51 | comlord | sep, I am make install. |
| 07:55.25 | sep | comlord: im not sure i understood that.. |
| 07:55.32 | sep | !tell comlord about alsa |
| 07:56.06 | ideafix | im wondering till when is this irc stuff gona keep going ?! |
| 07:56.48 | cafuego | ideafix: 2047 |
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| 07:56.57 | sep | lol |
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| 07:57.16 | ideafix | why do you say that ? |
| 07:57.28 | ideafix | what do you mean ? |
| 07:57.56 | ideafix | cafuego: what do you mean ? |
| 07:58.00 | comlord | OK, I'll try it. |
| 07:58.52 | ideafix | cafuego that do you mean about 2047 ? |
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| 08:00.07 | ideafix | cafuego are you there ? |
| 08:00.15 | comlord | sep, thank you. |
| 08:00.21 | jair_11 | it is a command to add the source.list on the konsole? |
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| 08:00.53 | sep | jair_11: apt-setup |
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| 08:01.03 | jair_11 | or I need to go to the apt- web site copy and paste them on the /etc/apt/source.list? |
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| 08:01.26 | bucky | 2047 ? is that when the comet hits |
| 08:01.31 | sep | ideafix: you ask a silly question you get a silly answer i'd go for 19 jan 2038 myslef |
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| 08:01.33 | simonrvn | do what sep said |
| 08:01.38 | jair_11 | sep, ok I just type apt-setup" as a root? |
| 08:01.42 | sep | jair_11: yes |
| 08:01.46 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 08:02.08 | jair_11 | root@caricuao:~# apt-setup |
| 08:02.08 | jair_11 | -su: apt-setup: command not found |
| 08:02.08 | jair_11 | root@caricuao:~# |
| 08:02.13 | ideafix | yha a really silly anser |
| 08:02.18 | jair_11 | this is my result I may install that |
| 08:02.46 | ideafix | i love it when the ansers are sillyer that the questions |
| 08:02.53 | jair_11 | I should do apt-get install apt-setup? |
| 08:02.58 | jm_ | fun for everyone |
| 08:03.07 | bob2 | ideafix: please stop being obnoxious |
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| 08:03.26 | ideafix | stop being intrusive |
| 08:03.36 | bob2 | god |
| 08:03.40 | ideafix | i wasnt talking to you |
| 08:03.49 | bob2 | can we not do this again |
| 08:03.50 | jm_ | you soon won't either way |
| 08:03.55 | jair_11 | ok guys please? I am trying to run the : apt-setup |
| 08:03.59 | bob2 | if you stop being annoying in general, then we all win |
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| 08:04.14 | bob2 | jair_11: you've never used any system with a command line before? |
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| 08:04.25 | jair_11 | it is not working for me any other parameter? I am missing? |
| 08:04.29 | daww | Why is folder being files in my USB Flash Drive (FAT)? |
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| 08:04.38 | jair_11 | bob2, yes of course yes |
| 08:04.51 | bob2 | jair_11: so... |
| 08:04.53 | sep | jair_11: you need to be root and have root's path so if your logged in as a user type su - then apt-setup |
| 08:04.54 | ideafix | how do we all win |
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| 08:05.10 | ideafix | for some one to win some one has to lose |
| 08:05.10 | bob2 | daww: your question doesn't make any sense |
| 08:05.11 | sep | !win all |
| 08:05.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, all! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 08:05.13 | comlord | sep, my dpkg's discover is 1.1-6.how do update to 1.7.2? |
| 08:05.15 | bob2 | try rephrashing it |
| 08:05.21 | bob2 | ideafix: just stop being so fucking annoying, all the time |
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| 08:05.21 | bob2 | kthx |
| 08:05.25 | jair_11 | sep, and bob2 did you read my results? |
| 08:05.26 | daww | bob2, ? |
| 08:05.28 | sep | comlord: replace dicover1 packages with discover packages |
| 08:05.30 | jair_11 | clear I am a root |
| 08:05.34 | jair_11 | su - |
| 08:05.37 | jair_11 | xxxx |
| 08:05.37 | bob2 | jair_11: ... |
| 08:05.39 | bob2 | jair_11: it's not installed |
| 08:05.40 | jair_11 | yes |
| 08:05.43 | ideafix | bob2: your losing already |
| 08:05.45 | jair_11 | daaaaaaaaa |
| 08:05.46 | bob2 | jair_11: of course that means you install it |
| 08:05.52 | jair_11 | I ask read in the line |
| 08:05.54 | ideafix | sewring will take you no were |
| 08:06.01 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 08:06.06 | jair_11 | I am sorry |
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| 08:06.12 | aurax | hello |
| 08:06.13 | daww | bob2, What are you meaning? |
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| 08:06.16 | jair_11 | I will install that first |
| 08:06.30 | bob2 | daww: that your question isn't parsable by people |
| 08:06.43 | sep | apt-setup isnt part of base ? i'v never had to install that manually ias i can remember |
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| 08:06.54 | aurax | i got debian sarge installed and i cant get arial fonts and other to work they are loaded and i can type with them, but they cannot be displayed on websites and such, any idea? |
| 08:07.00 | bob2 | sep: it is in sarge at least |
| 08:07.04 | ideafix | cant we lose the idlers ? |
| 08:07.04 | TinoW | sep: its part of base iirc. at least debootstrap installs it |
| 08:07.11 | jm_ | sep: it is |
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| 08:07.14 | jm_ | it was in Woody too |
| 08:07.22 | sep | that's what i thougt |
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| 08:07.28 | MobyTurbo | aurax: change the webserver's default fonts |
| 08:07.28 | jm_ | it's in base-config, but some people remove that (including me :) |
| 08:07.32 | ideafix | what about auto kicing some one that idles for more than 10 m |
| 08:07.33 | TinoW | you would have a henn-egg dilemma otherwise ;) |
| 08:07.34 | MobyTurbo | s/server/browser |
| 08:07.42 | cafuego | !mock ideafix |
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| 08:07.54 | aurax | MobyTurbo, its working on other distributions, im asking if there something i missed on installation |
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| 08:08.25 | MacTAnzu | Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
| 08:08.37 | bob2 | god |
| 08:08.57 | cafuego | bob2: *whee* Internode has released new plans. |
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| 08:09.06 | ideafix | good grief |
| 08:09.06 | jair_11 | bob2, I am the more big moron but I still getting this: student@caricuao:~$ su - |
| 08:09.06 | jair_11 | Password: |
| 08:09.07 | jair_11 | root@caricuao:~# apt-setup |
| 08:09.07 | jair_11 | -su: apt-setup: command not found |
| 08:09.07 | jair_11 | root@caricuao:~# |
| 08:09.07 | *** kick/#debian [jair_11!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 08:09.15 | MobyTurbo | aurax: configure your web browser, like I said. |
| 08:09.26 | aurax | dude, its not the webserver |
| 08:09.31 | aurax | it something with my fonst |
| 08:09.31 | bob2 | cafuego: woo |
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| 08:09.37 | aurax | fonts* |
| 08:09.43 | cafuego | bob2: None of that lame 8Mb/s |
| 08:09.52 | cafuego | "Super fast ADSL2 plans at up to 12,000kbit / 1,000kbit (12Mbit / 1Mbit)" |
| 08:10.01 | MobyTurbo | aurax: have you checked your browser's font selection to see if they are available? |
| 08:10.06 | aurax | yes they are |
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| 08:10.10 | ideafix | bob2: what linux flavour do you use ? |
| 08:10.18 | aurax | it worked befor, on ubuntu-linux |
| 08:10.21 | bob2 | cafuego: hot dog |
| 08:10.39 | bob2 | ideafix: SFU |
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| 08:10.44 | no-id | good morning |
| 08:10.47 | *** join/#debian jair_11 (~student@adsl-67-36-187-12.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 08:10.55 | jair_11 | I am sorry |
| 08:11.00 | jair_11 | guys |
| 08:11.06 | bob2 | jair_11: what's your native language? |
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| 08:11.12 | jair_11 | spanish |
| 08:11.18 | Phated | jair_11: inatll base-config. |
| 08:11.23 | jair_11 | bob2, I will use paste bin |
| 08:11.25 | Phated | Er, install. |
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| 08:11.36 | bob2 | jair_11: try #debian-es, they might be able to help you better |
| 08:11.56 | ideafix | bob2: kick Phated |
| 08:12.03 | jair_11 | bob2, I am no a loser I will continue learning english and after that deutsch |
| 08:12.08 | jair_11 | so I am sorry |
| 08:12.10 | bob2 | ideafix: stop being such a dick |
| 08:12.23 | bob2 | jair_11: hrm? no one called you a loser. |
| 08:12.31 | jair_11 | ok |
| 08:12.35 | ideafix | jair_11: is just creeping you up |
| 08:12.45 | bob2 | ideafix: are you going to stop this or not? |
| 08:12.48 | cafuego | bob2: And most interesting: (Future) Unwired service access |
| 08:12.54 | bob2 | hmm |
| 08:13.02 | ideafix | bob2: you seem blind ... |
| 08:13.06 | jair_11 | bob2, but I will be one If I give up and comeback to spanish, or the same as a give up and comeback to the windows crap. |
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| 08:13.32 | bob2 | ideafix: you seem annoying. are you going to stop or not? |
| 08:13.44 | bob2 | I'm not in the mood to discuss it further, so hopefully you say "yes"/ |
| 08:13.59 | jair_11 | hmm |
| 08:14.12 | jm_ | I hope he goes for no ;) |
| 08:14.24 | bob2 | hrm, suck |
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| 08:15.05 | ideafix | too many peeps |
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| 08:15.12 | jair_11 | bob2, I am sorry again, do I need to install some extra package, in order to run the command "apt-setup"? or I just will go a use "vim" and edit it manually. from the apt.org web site serevrs. |
| 08:15.24 | bob2 | jair_11: are you actually using Debian? |
| 08:15.40 | Phated | Oh, FFS, jair_11, install the package base-config. |
| 08:16.09 | ideafix | bob2: even risking to be annoying ive told you about jair_11 ... |
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| 08:16.41 | jair_11 | bob2, I am using knoppix on the HD |
| 08:16.43 | bob2 | ideafix: ? |
| 08:16.47 | bob2 | jair_11: then #knoppix and go away |
| 08:16.52 | ideafix | hehe |
| 08:16.56 | ideafix | good ridance |
| 08:17.24 | ideafix | im using suse but can join #suse im baned |
| 08:17.28 | jair_11 | bob2, I am trying to get the info I need to install debian my GOD |
| 08:17.35 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 08:17.42 | Phated | Get a Debian CD then. |
| 08:17.43 | jair_11 | let me find out on google. |
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| 08:17.46 | jm_ | jair_11: read install manual |
| 08:17.49 | jair_11 | ok |
| 08:17.52 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 08:18.04 | MobyTurbo | jair_11: you can't install Debian from Knoppix, several of it's programs are impossible to convert. |
| 08:18.08 | streuner | jair_11: /msg dpkg knoppix2debian |
| 08:18.08 | jair_11 | normally this channel is very kind with the newbies |
| 08:18.11 | streuner | might help |
| 08:18.16 | ideafix | jair_11 stop waisting time |
| 08:18.24 | jair_11 | ok |
| 08:18.28 | jair_11 | ok |
| 08:18.30 | jm_ | MobyTurbo: yes you can |
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| 08:18.56 | jair_11 | but before install debian and start everything cool I need to know how I will be handle in it. |
| 08:19.06 | estafu | try mepis jair_11 |
| 08:19.17 | MobyTurbo | jm_: "or something that will leave you with no knoppix or Debian" |
| 08:19.18 | estafu | it is made to install and it is easier than windows to install |
| 08:19.20 | jair_11 | because it is the first thing I found that recognize all the drivers on my pc |
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| 08:19.22 | ideafix | try kanotix |
| 08:19.40 | bob2 | jair_11: if you want an easy-to-install distribution, try ubuntu |
| 08:19.41 | jair_11 | and I was came from a very frustrating experiences with woody long time ago. |
| 08:19.45 | TinoW | caotix? |
| 08:19.45 | MobyTurbo | jm_: basic parts of Knoppix are not Debianized. /sbin/init for example |
| 08:19.45 | bob2 | and then ask question in #ubuntu |
| 08:19.55 | jm_ | MobyTurbo: you can install Debian from almost any running linux -usng debootstrap |
| 08:20.00 | bob2 | do not recommend random people use kanotix, you crackhead |
| 08:20.07 | ideafix | why ? |
| 08:20.19 | ideafix | crackhead ? |
| 08:20.19 | MobyTurbo | jm_: hmmmm |
| 08:20.20 | jair_11 | guys I agree with you I already install debian using the "netinst" from sarge and it is just nice. |
| 08:20.22 | Phated | "You can't install Debian with a Knoppix CD, why don't you try some other Debian-based distro that we don't support either." |
| 08:20.35 | kcalp | im installing debian woody in laptop and then im thinking to dist upgrade to sarge... what is best BOOT METHOD for llaptop |
| 08:20.38 | MobyTurbo | jm_: but then you end up removing knoppix anywhere. |
| 08:20.43 | jair_11 | Phated, what about "kanotix" |
| 08:20.46 | ideafix | bob2: you are annoing me has hell |
| 08:20.47 | MobyTurbo | s/anywhere/anyway |
| 08:20.57 | sep | kcalp: use the sargeinstaller wolldy is a bit old for laptops |
| 08:20.58 | jm_ | MobyTurbo: there's a section about it in the Installation Manual (Installing Debian from a running system) - well you don't necessarily have to remove it, you can install it on another partition |
| 08:21.05 | Phated | jair_11: "Debian-based distro we don't support anyway". |
| 08:21.05 | bob2 | ideafix: then leave, you don't even use Debian |
| 08:21.13 | ideafix | what wrong about kanotix ? |
| 08:21.19 | kcalp | sep: i dont have sarge cd:s.. |
| 08:21.35 | jair_11 | and kanotix I installed because it have the scripts ready to make my laptop run and accept the ipw2200 and 2100 nicely no problem at all |
| 08:21.38 | ideafix | i would use debian once the new version comes out |
| 08:21.41 | jair_11 | easy to install. |
| 08:21.54 | kcalp | sep: i have only woody cd.. |
| 08:21.56 | jair_11 | but that is why I am here everything came from debian |
| 08:22.11 | sep | kcalp: download a cd then but ifd you use woody cd make sure you boot with linux24 (2.4 kernel) then /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 08:22.11 | jair_11 | so that is why I want to learn from the core |
| 08:22.16 | ideafix | jair_11: say thank you |
| 08:22.23 | jair_11 | thank you |
| 08:22.25 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 08:22.31 | ideafix | what a prick |
| 08:22.41 | bob2 | anyway, this is off-topic. if you want to use something other than Debian, have fun, but ask your questions elsewhere. |
| 08:22.45 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 08:22.46 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
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| 08:23.01 | ideafix | who kicked me ? |
| 08:23.04 | kcalp | sep: here is BOOT METHOD with linux 2,4 kernel bf24 |
| 08:23.11 | jair_11 | ideafix, hmm sometimes I think that you are acting immature but I don't know if is because of my language limitation?:( |
| 08:23.16 | kcalp | i try with that |
| 08:23.22 | sep | kcalp: your right to long since i installed woody. |
| 08:23.26 | sep | do that |
| 08:23.40 | ideafix | jair_11: j #kanotix |
| 08:23.42 | kcalp | thanks |
| 08:24.03 | ideafix | the terrorristes are all there |
| 08:24.09 | [Artie-] | cat: /home/diablo/infinity/flood: No such file or directory |
| 08:24.15 | ideafix | mabey they can get you a 777 |
| 08:24.21 | jair_11 | I will install debian on this two machines I have and I will learn how to make the ipw2200 and ipw2100 to work on it. |
| 08:24.23 | jair_11 | ;) |
| 08:24.28 | sep | kcalp: and dont be alarmed if your bf kernel dont detect all you'r hardware, you wanbt to install a newer kernel-image afterwards anyway |
| 08:24.30 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 08:24.31 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@a213-22-82-8.netcabo.pt] by bob2 |
| 08:24.31 | *** part/#debian ideafix (~luser@a213-22-82-8.netcabo.pt) |
| 08:24.31 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 08:24.48 | jm_ | finally, thank you |
| 08:25.00 | [Artie-] | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 08:25.00 | [Artie-] | ....... |
| 08:25.00 | [Artie-] | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 08:25.01 | [DJ_Mike] | cat: /home/diablo/infinity/flood: No such file or directory |
| 08:25.02 | [Artie-] | ....... |
| 08:25.05 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 08:25.06 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@12a964a35b775191.node.tor] by bob2 |
| 08:25.06 | [DJ_Mike] | ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 08:25.06 | [DJ_Mike] | ........ |
| 08:25.06 | [DJ_Mike] | ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 08:25.07 | cafuego | AN A380 would make a much bigger (and more Euro-flavoured) bang. |
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| 08:25.07 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
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| 08:25.10 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@ftp-mirror.irlab.pnap.net] by bob2 |
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| 08:25.13 | Kijutsu- | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 08:25.13 | Kijutsu- | ....... |
| 08:25.13 | Kijutsu- | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 08:25.14 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 08:25.15 | Kijutsu- | ....... |
| 08:25.16 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 08:25.17 | Kijutsu- | .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. |
| 08:25.18 | *** mode/#Debian [+m] by bob2 |
| 08:25.27 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@f9474ce4434da87f.node.tor] by bob2 |
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| 08:25.34 | bob2 | fucktards |
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| 08:25.41 | bob2 | I knew all those tor hostnames would be bad news |
| 08:25.48 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@*.tor] by bob2 |
| 08:25.54 | *** mode/#Debian [-m] by bob2 |
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| 08:25.59 | cafuego | Fucking kids. |
| 08:26.00 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@31889753258dbe48.node.tor] by bob2 |
| 08:26.00 | *** part/#debian ProToAW (~God@31889753258dbe48.node.tor) |
| 08:26.01 | jm_ | what the hell is .tor? |
| 08:26.05 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@1e24999df96f617b.node.tor] by bob2 |
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| 08:26.09 | jair_11 | hmmm |
| 08:26.12 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@00a338a143c07dd5.node.tor] by bob2 |
| 08:26.15 | *** part/#debian cartman--- (~foobar@00a338a143c07dd5.node.tor) |
| 08:26.18 | cafuego | Tard Or Retard |
| 08:26.20 | bob2 | jm_: an anonymiser network |
| 08:26.22 | bob2 | which obviously has important legit uses |
| 08:26.25 | bob2 | and also a bunch of fuckwits |
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| 08:26.29 | Phated | Ah. |
| 08:26.31 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@4239ef50ef4e4998.node.tor] by bob2 |
| 08:26.32 | *** part/#debian bheron__ (~bheron@4239ef50ef4e4998.node.tor) |
| 08:26.32 | jm_ | ahh TOR, the onion routing |
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| 08:26.43 | estafu | TOR works well |
| 08:26.48 | starfish | does anyone one use blender? |
| 08:26.53 | jm_ | so it's finally usable then? I looked at it a while ago, but it lacked docs |
| 08:27.09 | ivan | and works with freenode too |
| 08:27.10 | ivan | neat |
| 08:27.16 | cafuego | Honestly, just keep +b *!*@*.tor |
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| 08:27.29 | estafu | tor+privoxy+2nd browser set to proxy(like k-meleon) |
| 08:27.43 | cafuego | Legitimate users can request a cloak anyway. |
| 08:28.02 | Phated | Cloaks for all! |
| 08:29.04 | estafu | can i have a cloak? |
| 08:29.14 | cafuego | estafu: Yes. www.freenode.net |
| 08:29.24 | estafu | preferrably a medallion also... |
| 08:30.47 | cafuego | Does tor have its own netblock? |
| 08:30.53 | bob2 | no |
| 08:30.57 | cafuego | poo |
| 08:31.07 | cafuego | So it's a bitch to firewall |
| 08:31.09 | Diablo-D3 | wtf |
| 08:31.28 | bob2 | yeah |
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| 08:33.03 | aidehua | But... but... but... /me thinks of a number of things to say about banning, and tor, and stuff. |
| 08:33.17 | bob2 | boohoo |
| 08:33.21 | aidehua | It all boils down to "antisocial use of the internet should be met with castration". |
| 08:33.22 | bob2 | tho a year ago I'd agree |
| 08:33.30 | bob2 | but the level of fucktardery on the internet is increasing |
| 08:33.33 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 08:33.51 | aidehua | Make #debian +r ? :) |
| 08:33.54 | bob2 | which is why I now use SBL/XBL and am strongly considering blocking mail from korean netblocks |
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| 08:34.09 | sanxiyn | bob2: ... |
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| 08:34.21 | Bekar | hiya.. what are the NONUS iso images? |
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| 08:34.24 | simonrvn | been using sbl/xbl for months |
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| 08:34.25 | sanxiyn | Well, it's your right to do so, sure. |
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| 08:34.33 | Phated | Don't see why you'd need to email him if you could just talk to him here. :) |
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| 08:34.45 | cafuego | bob2: There's a few korean netblocks in my MORONS table already. |
| 08:34.47 | bob2 | sanxiyn: 80% of my spam came from them |
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| 08:34.51 | bob2 | sanxiyn: and no legit email |
| 08:34.59 | bob2 | Bekar: /msg dpkg nonus |
| 08:35.14 | jair_11 | Phated, thank you very much, all I did was ( apt-get install "base-config") and then I run the command "apt-setup" and vioala! ;) |
| 08:35.29 | Bekar | righteo.. was splitting at the wrong place :P thanks :) |
| 08:35.44 | Phated | That, thank you, was exactly what I was trying to say. "install base-config" seemed like an obvious hint. |
| 08:35.50 | cafuego | whoops |
| 08:35.58 | jair_11 | hahahha |
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| 08:36.03 | sanxiyn | Oops, -12 is busted? how bad? |
| 08:36.04 | jair_11 | phaethon, right |
| 08:36.08 | sanxiyn | (re: xfree86) |
| 08:36.20 | jair_11 | Phated, right |
| 08:36.25 | Diablo-D3 | man |
| 08:36.27 | Diablo-D3 | this channel sucks |
| 08:36.29 | jair_11 | ok |
| 08:36.35 | sanxiyn | Diablo-D3: Well known fact. |
| 08:36.50 | jair_11 | thank you guys I am going to sleep for now |
| 08:36.52 | Diablo-D3 | Ill go hang out in #debian on irc.noderebellion.net instead |
| 08:36.52 | bob2 | Diablo-D3: now with 80% more bitterness! |
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| 08:36.54 | jair_11 | good night |
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| 08:37.00 | Diablo-D3 | where there are no tor clones >_< |
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| 08:37.09 | Phated | Yeah, get out already. |
| 08:37.34 | bob2 | good of him to complain after I got rid of them |
| 08:37.46 | Phated | Some people, eh. |
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| 08:37.50 | simonrvn | i have netblocks per the ips i see. i refuse to just block ip blocks that i haven't seen, and i have no reason to |
| 08:38.02 | MobyTurbo | bob2: never a good deed goes unpunished |
| 08:38.09 | anchovie | umm... say a person... uh...hits printscreen during an debian package update... and it stops the download... say, when it's 94% done... |
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| 08:38.19 | anchovie | is there any way to resume the download? |
| 08:38.23 | bob2 | that won't matter |
| 08:38.28 | bob2 | unless you mean "kills apt" |
| 08:38.31 | bob2 | then just rerun it |
| 08:38.51 | cafuego | !lart ldap |
| 08:39.01 | sanxiyn | How appropriate. |
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| 08:39.08 | bob2 | wow |
| 08:39.13 | simonrvn | heh heh heh |
| 08:39.13 | bob2 | $500/week for an apartment in the city |
| 08:39.21 | bob2 | might as well move to sydney |
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| 08:39.29 | cafuego | bob2: which city? |
| 08:39.37 | bob2 | cafuego: canberra |
| 08:39.39 | simonrvn | we pay 425 for a POS hole in the wall. fucking yuppies |
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| 08:40.13 | simonrvn | hey, they came along after and raised the rents |
| 08:40.32 | cafuego | bob2: $350 a week for a 3 bedroom double-fronted vitorian terrace with big backyard and space for beer couches. |
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| 08:41.08 | bob2 | cafuego: bah. |
| 08:41.14 | bob2 | cafuego: location is my prime concern. |
| 08:41.14 | cafuego | The problem with new apartments in Australia is that the build quality is SHIT. |
| 08:41.22 | cafuego | You can hear the neighbours farting. |
| 08:41.31 | bob2 | if I'm paying hundreds of dollars a week, I don't want to be cabbing home from town or getting the bus to uni |
| 08:41.33 | simonrvn | eew |
| 08:41.41 | cafuego | bob2: My old place (west melbourne) is for lease. ~ $1400/pm |
| 08:41.42 | simonrvn | eew again |
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| 08:41.51 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
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| 08:42.05 | simonrvn | i thought the rents in toronto were bad |
| 08:42.09 | streuner_ | simonrvn: austrailian dollars of course... |
| 08:42.10 | bob2 | cafuego: the commute to ANU will be a bitch, I suspect |
| 08:42.26 | simonrvn | though they're getting close to that. last i heard they were around 1000 |
| 08:42.30 | cafuego | simonrvn: That, again, is a double-fronted victorian terrace. With 3 (THREE!) free brothels over the back fence. |
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| 08:42.37 | simonrvn | streuner_: yes, they're about the same right now |
| 08:42.47 | Phated | Brothels are hardly free. |
| 08:42.53 | cafuego | free for your viewing pleasure, that is |
| 08:42.56 | streuner_ | simonrvn: same as US? |
| 08:42.58 | Phated | Ah, all right. |
| 08:43.06 | simonrvn | 1 CAD ~= 1.22 USD |
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| 08:43.24 | bob2 | allhomes is so amazingly shite |
| 08:43.28 | cafuego | 1 AUD ~ 1 RRBL |
| 08:43.36 | simonrvn | rrbl? |
| 08:43.49 | cafuego | Russian Ruble |
| 08:43.52 | Phated | Rrrruble? |
| 08:43.54 | Phated | :) |
| 08:43.58 | simonrvn | i doubt that =) |
| 08:44.05 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:44.21 | ricochet | does anyone know of an apache module that I can use for filtering based on IP addresses stored in some structure in memory? |
| 08:44.28 | simonrvn | cafuego: oh, i meant to ask you. do you use any kind of webcal thingy? |
| 08:44.29 | Jenns | Hey guys, I'm getting extremely slow upload speeds off my box over my rather simple LAN, it appears to be a software problem but I'm not sure where to start. I'm averaging 50k/s up |
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| 08:45.17 | Jenns | Any ideas? So far I've check for services that may throttle it and the CPU usage of the transfer process, nothing remarkable and cpu usage is less than %1 |
| 08:45.33 | simonrvn | that does suck. i get about 700 k/s over half-duplex |
| 08:45.33 | cafuego | bob2: http://www.domain.com.au/Public/PropertyDetails.aspx?adid=4010360 |
| 08:45.44 | Jenns | yup, its a 10mbit card |
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| 08:47.06 | jm_ | Jenns: well how are the machines connected? |
| 08:47.22 | Jenns | a no frills 10/100 switch |
| 08:47.41 | jm_ | then verify NIC settings and make sure they match on all of them |
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| 08:49.10 | simonrvn | cafuego: can i /msg you? |
| 08:49.20 | cafuego | simonrvn: yes, dear. |
| 08:49.30 | simonrvn | heh, ok |
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| 08:49.59 | Xsquared | hihi, im trying to setup exim to do exactly this: One of a number of independent domains that are all handled by the same host, with mailboxes on that host, but where the mailbox owners do not necessarily have login accounts on that host.... But i have to add something in a transport file. which one is it? it doesn't give any instructions on it. |
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| 08:51.36 | bob2 | cafuego: hm, nice |
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| 08:52.11 | Code | hi |
| 08:52.22 | Xsquared | hihi |
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| 08:55.05 | Coke | Xsquared: just configure it. exim doesn't care about how your users access their delivered mail. |
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| 08:55.31 | Coke | Xsquared: receiving mail for several domains is just a matter of adding relay capabilities |
| 08:55.40 | Coke | for several non-local domains |
| 08:55.46 | simonrvn | exim isn't an MDA, though it sometimes can do that if configured as such |
| 08:55.57 | kcalp | im installing ethernetcard driver and now its askind Enter Command-Line Arguments.. what is must put there |
| 08:56.03 | Coke | simonrvn: "sometimes"? |
| 08:56.16 | Coke | simonrvn: it has delivered all my email so far |
| 08:56.21 | simonrvn | well some people don't use system mboxes, some do |
| 08:56.29 | kcalp | can i live that blank ? |
| 08:56.33 | Coke | simonrvn: I use maildir, built-in in exim4 |
| 08:56.36 | Xsquared | simonrvn: MDA? |
| 08:56.39 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:56.58 | simonrvn | that's another case. but it's not its primary function |
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| 08:57.17 | kcalp | help pls |
| 08:57.20 | Xsquared | ok, so what do i have to do? i want to be able to do that |
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| 08:57.34 | bob2 | kcalp: you need to actually ask a question |
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| 08:57.49 | simonrvn | kcalp: we don't know what you,re talking about. would help you and us to describe what you're trying to do |
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| 08:57.54 | Coke | simonrvn: true. but I haven't come across one MTA so far that doesn't. |
| 08:58.05 | simonrvn | Coke: yes |
| 08:58.17 | Xsquared | Coke: how should i set this up then? |
| 08:58.31 | Coke | Xsquared: what MTA do you want to use? |
| 08:58.44 | Coke | Xsquared: 1) choose an MTA and 2) configure it to meet your needs |
| 08:58.44 | Xsquared | Coke: the debian default |
| 08:58.52 | Coke | that's the recipe |
| 08:59.11 | kcalp | bob2: i just installed debian in my laptop.. and it didnt find automaticly my ethernet driver.. so i modconf and select my driver from list.. and now its asking Enter Command-Line Arguments |
| 08:59.15 | Xsquared | Coke: yeah, what was simonrvn going on about an MDA or whatever? |
| 08:59.23 | bob2 | kcalp: leave it blank... |
| 08:59.40 | kcalp | okey.. thanx.. and how i can start it then |
| 08:59.47 | Coke | Xsquared: making a point on the difference between transporting and delivering mail |
| 08:59.47 | bob2 | start what? |
| 08:59.49 | simonrvn | ooh, *that* |
| 09:00.04 | kcalp | run internet :) |
| 09:00.19 | Coke | kcalp: internet is already running, thank you very much for your interrest |
| 09:00.24 | [tHc]Ohm | lol |
| 09:00.42 | kcalp | it didnt take effect yet |
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| 09:01.18 | tga | is the internet down? |
| 09:01.21 | kcalp | yeah |
| 09:01.31 | Xsquared | Coke: so i configure exim to do the virtual stuff. |
| 09:01.39 | Coke | Xsquared: "virtual"? |
| 09:01.56 | Xsquared | Coke: One of a number of independent domains that are all handled by the same host, with mailboxes on that host, but where the mailbox owners do not necessarily have login accounts on that host. |
| 09:01.56 | Coke | Xsquared: there's nothing virtual about relaying email for non-local domains |
| 09:02.09 | TinoW | Xsquared: #Exim |
| 09:02.12 | Coke | Xsquared: yes, that's relaying |
| 09:02.14 | kcalp | what command i may use like in windows ipconfig /renew :) |
| 09:02.24 | Coke | Xsquared: your MTA relays mail from a non-local domain to a non-local domain |
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| 09:02.35 | TinoW | kcalp: dont you have dhcp? |
| 09:02.37 | Xsquared | TinoW: its called looking somewhere else when no-one is alive in that room. |
| 09:02.52 | Coke | kcalp: what is that command suposed to do? not everybody speaks in terms of windows relativity |
| 09:02.58 | TinoW | Xsquared: you didnt even ask there :) |
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| 09:03.05 | kcalp | TinoW yeah.. but intenet is still down i mustdo somethink :) |
| 09:03.07 | Xsquared | TinoW: i did |
| 09:03.21 | TinoW | Xsquared: ok, must be before I joined ;) |
| 09:03.31 | Coke | kcalp: if internet is down, how come I can chat on IRC? |
| 09:03.31 | Xsquared | TinoW: ;) |
| 09:03.35 | TinoW | kcalp: if you follow the installer, it will do this for you |
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| 09:03.53 | kcalp | Coke in my llaptop is internet down |
| 09:04.01 | sep | i just killall parted during a resize operation.. :) |
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| 09:04.15 | tga | kcalp: that happens when I get Coke in my lappy too |
| 09:04.17 | sep | who wants to bet on the status of the filesystem |
| 09:04.18 | raghu | kcalp: dhcpclient |
| 09:04.20 | Coke | kcalp: yeah, but that's just one host out of millions. I hardly call downing one host downing the internet. |
| 09:04.24 | tga | sep: I say it's hose |
| 09:04.25 | tga | d |
| 09:04.49 | sep | mounts ok... |
| 09:04.56 | kcalp | i try to restart |
| 09:04.57 | Coke | kcalp: anyway. you need two things to get your machine connected to the internet: 1) correct driver for your NIC and 2) a correctly configured ether device |
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| 09:05.19 | kcalp | maybe then it take effect |
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| 09:05.39 | kcalp | Coke: i know man, i know |
| 09:05.54 | simonrvn | sep: cross your fingers |
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| 09:06.25 | Coke | kcalp: so why haven't you done it yet? |
| 09:06.30 | sep | simonrvn: naw i did it deliberatily it's a lot faster to repartition then to resize i didnt want to wait the 310:15 that parted gave as ETA |
| 09:06.44 | simonrvn | oh, heh |
| 09:06.57 | kcalp | Coke: yeah.. but didnt work :( |
| 09:07.14 | Coke | kcalp: then you didn't do step 1 or 2 correctly. redo correctly. |
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| 09:07.55 | sep | but it looked like the fs was ok fsck didnt find anything, and it mounted ok. i would expect it was hosed, ofcouse you could have issues that only a scan of all sectors would reveal |
| 09:07.55 | kcalp | what driver i have to use for ibm t30 ethernet driver |
| 09:08.01 | Coke | kcalp: let's pretend you have the correct driver for your NIC, read me the entry for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:08.12 | Coke | kcalp: that's for you to find out, man |
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| 09:08.32 | Coke | kcalp: considering that question, let's NOT pretend you loaded the correct driver |
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| 09:08.55 | kcalp | Coke: i tryed with eepro100 driver |
| 09:08.56 | sep | is there any ms compatible fs that can store files > 40 GB that is also stable on linux ? i guess that excludes ntfs |
| 09:08.58 | simonrvn | sep: yeh |
| 09:08.59 | Coke | kcalp: why? |
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| 09:09.06 | simonrvn | sep: dunno |
| 09:09.15 | sep | vfat is out i tested that |
| 09:09.15 | kcalp | Coke: i think thats right driver for it |
| 09:09.27 | Coke | kcalp: what made you think that? |
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| 09:09.37 | jm_ | sep: do you need to write to it from windows? |
| 09:09.50 | kcalp | Coke:dont know.. |
| 09:10.06 | sep | i need to read a 40 GB file from acronis true image server |
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| 09:10.22 | Coke | kcalp: you don't know why you think eepro100 works with your NIC? |
| 09:10.27 | sep | so all the explorefs2 and similar tools are out, i need os level access |
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| 09:10.38 | jm_ | there's ext2ifs for that |
| 09:10.57 | kcalp | Coke: my internet is down in my laptop thats the problem :) |
| 09:11.18 | simonrvn | must be "let's spam and do other nasty things to the north amerikkkan hosts" night in spammer/mafia-land |
| 09:11.23 | Coke | kcalp: no, the problem is that you don't know why you assume things |
| 09:11.35 | Coke | kcalp: had you known, your internet connection would have been working |
| 09:11.46 | Coke | kcalp: please run lspci | grep -i ether |
| 09:12.07 | Coke | kcalp: and tell me what the output is |
| 09:13.06 | sep | jm_ nice, but the acronis true image is a bootcd that let you restore an image, i guess it wont work there. |
| 09:13.42 | kcalp | Coke: 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82801CAM (ICH3) Chipset Ethernet Controller (rev 42) |
| 09:13.48 | jm_ | sep: hmm, in that case it won't help |
| 09:13.48 | Maliuta | anyone know why apt-proxy would be recieving a request and not sending headers or data back? |
| 09:13.57 | kcalp | 02:08.0 |
| 09:13.59 | kcalp | sorr |
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| 09:14.06 | Coke | kcalp: and that is an "IBM T30" ??? |
| 09:14.12 | bob2 | apt-proxy is fairly crackful |
| 09:14.14 | kcalp | yeah |
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| 09:14.45 | simonrvn | Guerin: hello striped bird |
| 09:14.48 | kcalp | 2366-86g |
| 09:14.56 | bob2 | oh, wow |
| 09:15.06 | kcalp | Coke: model |
| 09:15.07 | Guerin | simonrvn: mraawrk |
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| 09:15.20 | Coke | kcalp: looks like an intel pro100 chipset to me |
| 09:15.35 | simonrvn | Guerin: mwaaark |
| 09:15.52 | kcalp | yeah, i installed eePRO100 driver |
| 09:15.57 | kcalp | Coke: is that correct ? |
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| 09:16.17 | Guerin | simonrvn: mwooork |
| 09:16.32 | simonrvn | Guerin: craaaw |
| 09:16.54 | jm_ | I thought I was reading Guerin's article the other day, but it turned out it's not him ;) |
| 09:16.55 | Coke | kcalp: no. |
| 09:17.01 | Coke | kcalp: try e100 |
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| 09:17.48 | ZyX | when is say 'man eximstats' i get /tmp/zman8YvzWR:454: missing closing delimiter ; /tmp/zman8YvzWR:526: missing closing delimiter ; /tmp/zman8YvzWR:613: missing closing delimiter |
| 09:17.56 | ZyX | is this a problem on my side? |
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| 09:18.15 | kcalp | Coke: eepro or eepro100 = |
| 09:18.18 | kcalp | ? |
| 09:18.27 | miyo | kcalp: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ -> IBM -> T30 |
| 09:18.36 | Coke | kcalp: e100 |
| 09:18.41 | bob2 | it's all about the x40. |
| 09:18.55 | kcalp | Coke here is not in list e100 |
| 09:18.56 | Coke | kcalp: wait, I'm looking at 2.4 modules. what kernel version do you use? |
| 09:19.23 | kcalp | i installed woody bf24 |
| 09:19.29 | kcalp | its clean install |
| 09:19.33 | Guerin | one of my old schoolmates was arrested for rape, sexual violation and murder yesterday |
| 09:19.39 | simonrvn | zip|: the man page needs some correcting. could be a fluke too |
| 09:19.44 | sep | !tell kcalp about real kernel |
| 09:19.45 | simonrvn | zip|: sorry |
| 09:19.47 | Guerin | this is freaking my little sleepy hometown out like wicked |
| 09:19.51 | simonrvn | ZyX: ^^^ |
| 09:19.57 | kcalp | Coke: BOOT METHOD bf24 |
| 09:20.04 | kcalp | thats with kernel 2.4 |
| 09:20.04 | ZyX | simonrvn, ? |
| 09:20.09 | simonrvn | Guerin: yikes |
| 09:20.24 | Coke | kcalp: what dist? (stable, testing or unstable? |
| 09:21.05 | simonrvn | ZyX: means look up. what i said to zip| was meant for you |
| 09:21.05 | jm_ | Guerin: involving sheep? :) |
| 09:21.05 | kcalp | stable |
| 09:21.05 | Guerin | jm_: no, involving a barmaid on her 20th birthday |
| 09:21.06 | jm_ | Guerin: yay |
| 09:21.07 | simonrvn | :( |
| 09:21.10 | kcalp | im thinking when i get in net to upgrade it to sarge |
| 09:21.14 | Coke | kcalp: start by upgrading your bf kernel to the dist kernel. apt-get install kernel-image-2.x.x that you want |
| 09:21.16 | ZyX | simonrvn, ok.. does it work without errors at your's? |
| 09:21.28 | simonrvn | ZyX: yes |
| 09:21.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. Everyone who knows him is pretty sure he did it, too. |
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| 09:22.00 | kcalp | Coke: i cant get in net :( |
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| 09:22.11 | Coke | kcalp: it is on the first CD |
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| 09:22.46 | sep | kcalp: apt-cache search kernel-image will give you the list of the kernels that's on your cd |
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| 09:22.54 | ZyX | simonrvn, ii exim4-base 4.34-10 ? |
| 09:22.55 | Coke | kcalp: damn it, nevermind that. download the netinstall version of sarge from debian.org, burn it on a CD (or waste a lot of time and plastic by using floppies) and install a new debian with a good installer that will detect your nic and let you choose a kernel version. |
| 09:22.56 | simonrvn | i'd (is) upset(ting) me too |
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| 09:23.26 | simonrvn | ZyX: worked ok then |
| 09:23.29 | kcalp | Coke: okej.. i do that... can i burn that on cd |
| 09:23.32 | sep | Coke: that's what we told him an houer ago, he didnt want to do that |
| 09:23.59 | cg0def | how can I remove a package that is a depend for another pkg? I really need to |
| 09:24.02 | Coke | kcalp: didn't I just give you the suggestion to burn it on CD? |
| 09:24.10 | Coke | cg0def: apt-get remove |
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| 09:24.30 | kcalp | yeah yeah.. |
| 09:24.31 | tga | kcalp: or use an alternate installer like http://oss.sns.ro/Hilux.html |
| 09:24.43 | kcalp | !netinst |
| 09:24.43 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 09:24.47 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 09:24.54 | cg0def | Coke: yeah but I am trying to keep everythig else that depends on the pkg and remove just xlibsmesa-gl |
| 09:25.15 | Coke | cg0def: you mean you want to break the dependency really bad? |
| 09:25.39 | sep | cg0def: dpkg --force-help |
| 09:25.45 | kcalp | Thanx dude |
| 09:25.47 | kcalp | s |
| 09:25.48 | kcalp | :) |
| 09:25.56 | cg0def | Coke: well don't really have a choice because the ati drivers do not install over mesa |
| 09:27.13 | Coke | There's also some way to tell dpkg that something is already provided. |
| 09:28.05 | starfish | how do i set up kmail? |
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| 09:28.12 | zahod | !equivs |
| 09:28.13 | dpkg | from memory, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 09:28.25 | gameover | question about the nvidia driver, i installed using the .run file |
| 09:28.34 | gameover | i can only get into x if i dont reboot |
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| 09:28.44 | gameover | after compiling and installing the module |
| 09:28.53 | comm | I think I might have some dns resolution slowness with a machine I have, and I was wondering if their was anyway to test or find the root of the problem....digs and doing whois's are really slow |
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| 09:29.17 | gameover | anyone know how i can get that nvidia module installed on boot? |
| 09:29.20 | Coke | starfish: what do you mean "set up" ? |
| 09:29.31 | Coke | starfish: apt-get install kmail |
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| 09:29.37 | jm_ | gameover: man modules |
| 09:29.51 | kcalp | Coke: http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ whitch of i have to get |
| 09:29.54 | tuxipuxi | ban FaTHeR, he is a porn spammer |
| 09:29.59 | Coke | kcalp: the one you want |
| 09:30.23 | kcalp | all is woody |
| 09:30.55 | Coke | kcalp: you want sarge |
| 09:31.02 | starfish | i mean set up an email address in kmail |
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| 09:31.40 | Coke | kcalp: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:31.52 | Coke | starfish: just configure it |
| 09:31.53 | starfish | i already have kmail installed and dont have an address |
| 09:32.13 | kcalp | Coke: im not sure whitch better chose ? |
| 09:32.18 | Coke | starfish: kmail can't help you get an address, it has to be appointed to you by the domain administrator. |
| 09:32.29 | Coke | kcalp: choose what? |
| 09:32.36 | Coke | kcalp: you want sarge |
| 09:32.36 | kcalp | to isntall.. |
| 09:32.53 | Coke | kcalp: there's nothing to choose from. I gave you the link to where you can download the sarge mini-cd iso |
| 09:33.03 | kcalp | ok |
| 09:33.26 | Coke | kcalp: you want the first, netinstall-CD |
| 09:33.40 | starfish | how do i do that? |
| 09:33.47 | Coke | starfish: how do you do what? |
| 09:34.07 | starfish | have one appointed to me?...lol sorry |
| 09:34.13 | starfish | newbie |
| 09:34.14 | Coke | starfish: ask your ISP to give you one |
| 09:34.44 | Coke | starfish: some, like my ISP, give you one included in the internet account while some charge extra. |
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| 09:34.59 | gameover | thx, putting "nvidia" in /etc/modules worked |
| 09:35.14 | starfish | my dont charge extra but i dont know how to find out what it is |
| 09:35.18 | tam | anyone know if the debian nvidia drivers emulate twinview etc that the official drivers would do? |
| 09:35.35 | kcalp | Coke: thanx for support.. i try to install it thanx |
| 09:36.09 | Coke | kcalp: sarge will make it somewhat easier. |
| 09:36.23 | kcalp | oke tack |
| 09:36.31 | tuxipuxi | if i install debian with the sarge installer on brand new sata and nforce hardware, linux26 is recommended i guess? |
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| 09:37.22 | benjamindees | I would think so |
| 09:37.34 | miyo | tuxipuxi: Worked for me, at least with 2.6 kernel. |
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| 09:37.42 | miyo | tuxipuxi: Though I had via-chip not nforce. |
| 09:38.01 | tuxipuxi | ok thanks.. still wondering i i should choose expert26 or if linux26 is sufficient |
| 09:38.24 | miyo | tuxipuxi: sata with 2.6 kernel has better performance than with 2.4 kernel... as far as I have tested it. |
| 09:38.26 | tuxipuxi | someone know from the top of his head what's different in expert mode? |
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| 09:38.39 | bob2 | lots |
| 09:38.39 | miyo | tuxipuxi: It asks you more questions. |
| 09:39.25 | tuxipuxi | hm i think i will give linux26 a try |
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| 09:40.03 | tga | tuxipuxi: you should try linux 10.1, I hear it's really great |
| 09:40.04 | _pavel_ | i have a lot of defunct processes that are parentless.... init seems to fail and clean up.... top displays init with a constant high cpu usage....i can't kill any of those processes... |
| 09:40.25 | _pavel_ | any idea? |
| 09:40.30 | tuxipuxi | tga: i'm not that dumb, thanks |
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| 09:41.56 | cg0def | what is the driver for a notebook keyboard? generic 104? |
| 09:43.17 | sep | cg0def: do your keyboar dhave the "windows logo" key |
| 09:44.00 | cg0def | sep: yes it does |
| 09:44.11 | cg0def | sep: only one though |
| 09:44.42 | cg0def | sep: I was asking because when I use generic 104 the Fn key seems to not work |
| 09:44.46 | sep | cg0def: then i'd guess on 106 |
| 09:45.22 | sep | cg0def: the Fn key is not related that's usualy a hardware thing for the laptop and not send to os at all |
| 09:46.20 | cg0def | sep: yeah it is hardware but there is a windows driver for the keys (some of them) |
| 09:46.42 | tga | cg0def: ACPI might catch some of them |
| 09:46.46 | sep | cg0def: you can test with Fn + the keys that make up the numeric keyboard, that should show |
| 09:47.54 | cg0def | I can switch the displays and change the brightness but I can't seem to control the volume and gnome can't even pick up the key as a shortcut |
| 09:48.08 | cg0def | oh yeah and I do have acpi enabled |
| 09:48.29 | sep | cg0def: the display bit is hardware, the volume require a driver or mapping |
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| 09:49.04 | _pavel_ | any idea on the defunct processes and how to kill 'em? |
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| 09:49.15 | gary | How would i create a shortcut so that one folder links to another. I am trying to do it using ln -s /dir/ /another/dir but the other dir is read-only as it is an ntfs mounted filesystem |
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| 09:49.48 | cg0def | sep: yes I know that but the weird part is that keyboards usually send codes for every key and the gnome shortcut manager catches them but these keys do nothing |
| 09:50.25 | jm_ | gartt: yes, ln won't help you get arround that |
| 09:50.30 | jm_ | gary ^^^^ |
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| 09:51.01 | sep | cg0def: never used the gnome shortcut manager sorry, youll have to to wait for someone more proficent to answer |
| 09:51.40 | cg0def | sep: that's no big deal thanks anyway |
| 09:51.47 | tga | cg0def: use xev to see if you get any key codes at all |
| 09:52.01 | sep | _pavel_: no singel defunt or zombie that actualy have a parent that you can kill ? |
| 09:52.02 | tga | cg0def: if not you could try changing your keyboard layout |
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| 09:52.10 | cg0def | tga: I'll do that in a sec |
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| 09:53.44 | _pavel_ | sep-> no... |
| 09:54.24 | _pavel_ | init cpu utilization is always around 95+% |
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| 09:54.37 | _NiC | I'm using sarge, and the postrotate-script for mysql-server (4.0.23-1) fails during logrotation, anyone experienced that? |
| 09:54.48 | jm_ | _NiC: check BTS |
| 09:55.39 | gary | jm_ thanks |
| 09:55.47 | no-id | where can i find cyrus-imapd-utils ...apt-get doesnt seem to find it nor does package.debian.org ...is it a part of something different now ? |
| 09:55.52 | _pavel_ | any other way of cleaning up orphaned zombie processes? |
| 09:56.26 | tga | _pavel_: `reboot` |
| 09:56.33 | _pavel_ | i guess init seems to be stuck dealing with one.. |
| 09:56.36 | _pavel_ | yeah i know... |
| 09:56.47 | _pavel_ | but i was hoping i wouldn't have to.. |
| 09:56.48 | tga | _pavel_: try killing X if you started the process in a xterm |
| 09:56.50 | jm_ | _pavel_: well you could strace init to see what it's doing |
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| 09:57.06 | visik7 | hi |
| 09:57.07 | tga | I had that happening with stuck I/O |
| 09:57.15 | visik7 | where is apt-proxy in sarge ? |
| 09:57.21 | _pavel_ | no...x is not installed and running ...fairly bare sarge configuration.. |
| 09:57.30 | jm_ | yeah, hardware problems often lead to such silly issues |
| 09:57.30 | tga | _pavel_: you might be SOL then |
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| 09:58.27 | _NiC | jm_: doesn't seem to be mentioned there. :-\ |
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| 09:58.40 | _pavel_ | what's SOL? |
| 09:58.54 | jm_ | _NiC: well then you could submit a bug |
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| 09:59.06 | jm_ | !+sol |
| 09:59.06 | dpkg | sol is probably Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 09:59.22 | _pavel_ | hehe.. perhaps i am.. |
| 09:59.32 | aglet | the last 2 days my bind9 9.2.1-2.woody.2 has stopped at 07:42 am with this in the log: "received control channel command 'stop'" -- any ideas why this might have started happening..? |
| 09:59.39 | chewy | hmm, seems i gotta do a lot of --fix-missing |
| 09:59.43 | chewy | for almost everything |
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| 10:02.29 | grin | hello, anyone could check me an openoffice.org 1.1.3 (in unstable) thingie? I am not sure it's a local problem or a bug in the package |
| 10:02.30 | Herodes | anyone can help me with this problem??. When i try to install windou$$ XP on hda1, when first step end, and it reboots....i am said "SO fails". partition table says me this -->http://pastebin.com/245351 |
| 10:03.01 | grin | new >> new document, and see whether "insert >> section" is grayed out or not. for me it is, and it shouldn't be. |
| 10:03.48 | Herodes | any help? |
| 10:03.53 | jm_ | grin: what kind of document? it works OK here for Text Document, but I'm running Sarge |
| 10:04.04 | grin | jm_: text document sorry. |
| 10:04.21 | grin | jm_: what's the package's version please? |
| 10:04.36 | jm_ | grin: 1.1.2-5 |
| 10:04.46 | grin | mine's 1.1.3-6 |
| 10:05.07 | grin | it's not in testing yet |
| 10:05.11 | jm_ | yeah, better have someone with sid verify it, the version difference is too big |
| 10:05.12 | tuxipuxi | i just finished installing base system and now booted into it where the base system configuration system welcomed me. problem is, that messages like: "nv_sata: Primary device added" "nv_sata: Primary device removed"(same for secondary device) are filling up the whole screen which makes it impossible to go on configuring the system. anyone an idea how i could circumvent this? |
| 10:05.23 | grin | jm_: thanks anyway |
| 10:05.33 | jm_ | tuxipuxi: try /msg dpkg printk console |
| 10:05.54 | MacTAnzu | Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
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| 10:07.22 | Herodes | anyone can help me with this problem??. When i try to install windou$$ XP on hda1, when first step end, and it reboots....i am said "SO fails". partition table says me this -->http://pastebin.com/245351 |
| 10:07.33 | tuxipuxi | jm_: i don't get what that means :/ |
| 10:07.37 | tuxipuxi | jm_: what dpkg says |
| 10:07.48 | jm_ | tuxipuxi: it gives you the command |
| 10:08.03 | jm_ | \actually it doesn't |
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| 10:08.12 | tuxipuxi | no command in there :) |
| 10:08.15 | jm_ | tuxipuxi: man sysctl for how to enter the new setting |
| 10:08.38 | jm_ | it's pretty simple |
| 10:08.48 | tuxipuxi | jm_: heh i can't read manpages.. the messages destroy everything on the screen |
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| 10:09.06 | jm_ | tuxipuxi: how fast do the messages appear? |
| 10:09.08 | tuxipuxi | jm_: i would be glad if you could give me the exact command so that i can enter it.. i really can't read anything |
| 10:09.22 | tuxipuxi | like.. 10 in a second with a short pause i between |
| 10:09.42 | Herodes | no help for me?? :( |
| 10:09.44 | jm_ | well th esyntax is sysctl variable=value |
| 10:09.58 | jm_ | no it's sysctl -w variable=value |
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| 10:10.30 | tuxipuxi | jm_: sysctl -w kernel.printk="3 4 1 7"? |
| 10:10.36 | jm_ | you can also echo it to /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 10:10.42 | jm_ | tuxipuxi: yes |
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| 10:11.50 | visik7 | why apt-proxy isn't in to sarge ? |
| 10:12.05 | tuxipuxi | jm_: woah thanks it shut up :) ... are those messages actually useless, will they disappear permanently when i've built a new kernel? |
| 10:12.06 | bob2 | because it's buggy shit |
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| 10:12.48 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, can you help me ? |
| 10:13.29 | tuxipuxi | Herodes: sec |
| 10:13.35 | jm_ | tuxipuxi: well try it, I am not familiar with nv-sata stuff |
| 10:13.37 | Herodes | ok. |
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| 10:14.56 | tuxipuxi | Herodes: the windows installer starts, but fails almost immediately? |
| 10:14.59 | tuxipuxi | jm_: ok will do thanks |
| 10:15.29 | Garp | Hi. |
| 10:15.53 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, no. it fails when first stage ends. |
| 10:15.55 | tuxipuxi | hi Garp |
| 10:16.06 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, at the first reboot. |
| 10:16.43 | tuxipuxi | Herodes: hm i don't know what that message means :/ |
| 10:17.13 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, when xp ends copping files.... |
| 10:17.36 | Garp | Question: Some frriend wants to help someone to install debian by using the Remote INstall capability of Debian. Problem: the installed machine is connected by ADSL by a "livebox" (some router/modem box) that gives the PC a local IP by DHCP, but... How can the installed tell his public IP (the one of the box) at installation time? Anybody trid that? Thanks. |
| 10:17.37 | tuxipuxi | have you tried to let windows xp format it as ntfs? just as an idea |
| 10:17.44 | Garp | Hi tuxipuxi |
| 10:17.57 | chewy | whats the command to print a file to terminal |
| 10:18.01 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, both |
| 10:18.04 | chewy | like a log file |
| 10:18.05 | jm_ | chewy: man cat |
| 10:18.07 | Piru | garp, why does it need the public ip? |
| 10:18.19 | Garp | Piru : to connect to the box. |
| 10:18.30 | Garp | Piru.: I mean to the PC he's going to install. |
| 10:18.43 | tuxipuxi | Garp: he has to forward the remote control port to the local ip of his friend's machine and then access the friend's pc via the public ip |
| 10:18.49 | Piru | ah |
| 10:18.56 | petemc | whats the "Remote INstall capability" ? |
| 10:19.18 | Garp | [debian guru]--- internet---[livebox (public IP) -- (private)]---[PC of the friend] |
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| 10:19.39 | tuxipuxi | Herodes: i'm sorry, i don't know the windows problems well.. maybe you should try a search in the microsoft help or in popular windows forums |
| 10:19.39 | Garp | tuxipuxi: yes, that's NAT, fine. But how to tell that IP ? |
| 10:19.48 | benjamindees | Garp, go to www.whatismyipaddress.com |
| 10:19.54 | Garp | petemc: It allow to install a debian without being at the console |
| 10:19.56 | petemc | Garp: nice diagram :) ive never heard of this, is it an option of the installer? i know you can install fedora over vnc, but not debian |
| 10:20.05 | tuxipuxi | or in the router interface |
| 10:20.07 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, if i do fdisk -l it says me this -->http://pastebin.com/245351 |
| 10:20.13 | Garp | benjamindees: fine, but which tool can be used at that time of the ninstallation ? |
| 10:20.27 | Garp | petemc: yes, it's a feature of the installer. |
| 10:20.54 | Garp | benjamindees: there seems not to be even a "piing" available! |
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| 10:21.24 | tuxipuxi | Garp: is that the only pc conencted to the internet(at his home)? |
| 10:21.39 | petemc | Garp: is it documented somewhere? |
| 10:21.39 | tuxipuxi | Herodes: yep have seen it.. doesn't help very much i think |
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| 10:21.49 | Garp | tuxipuxi: afaik yes, this is the home of a not very computer-savy person... |
| 10:21.51 | strk | what package should I install to get lilypond fonts ? |
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| 10:22.05 | strk | any lilypond user here? |
| 10:22.14 | Garp | petemc: yes, but I didnt do it myself, I'm just inquiring for a friend, so I dont know where is it documented. |
| 10:22.20 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, and this-->http://pastebin.com/245353 |
| 10:22.29 | benjamindees | Garp, maybe you can find a small cd-based distro with lynx or something |
| 10:22.40 | petemc | Garp: ya see, ive used the sarge installer a few times, and the woody installer lots of time, and ive never heard of this |
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| 10:23.02 | mike__ | is there a way to get my fluxbox desktop to act like a fvwm desktop with the desktops are over the screen and you move your mouse into the next screen? |
| 10:23.06 | benjamindees | Garp, I don't see why it has to happen at *install* time... |
| 10:23.26 | Garp | benjamindees: let me think/... Maybe I have an idea: there is no reason for the livebox to reset it's public connnexion on PC reboot in the internal network. |
| 10:23.32 | tuxipuxi | Herodes: that could be the problem :) try googling for it |
| 10:23.41 | Garp | benjamindees: because the installation is done remotely. |
| 10:23.54 | Garp | benjamindees: how do you do a remote install if you cant connect to the box ? |
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| 10:24.50 | benjamindees | Garp, you don't, I'm just saying the public address won't change |
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| 10:25.08 | sep | garp from any box on the private ip net browse to this page http://checkip.dyndns.org, this tells you the publicx ip, you still have to do DNAT in the routerbox ofcouse |
| 10:25.30 | sep | livebox as you call it |
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| 10:25.45 | benjamindees | Garp, yeah the router will have to allow you access of course |
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| 10:26.29 | Garp | benjamindees : the problem was with geting the public address. The rest is easy. But I guess I'm dumb: of course the public IP wont change just becausehe reboot to install Debian. |
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| 10:27.56 | Garp | so, thanks everybody :-) |
| 10:28.26 | tuxipuxi | hum my router assigns an IP to the pc if i run dhclient, but the pc can't reach anything outside the network.. that will be a router problem and no network driver problem, right? |
| 10:28.27 | petemc | good luck trying to use a feature the debian installer doesnt have :) |
| 10:28.32 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, can you see what qparted say me? i have scree captured |
| 10:28.36 | wishie | im trying to use 'advcfg', a video mode program that comes with AdvanceMAME. it keeps telling me that there is no text mode for my hardware, and i need to specify a default_text modeline in my config file..i dont know how to do this..anyone able to help ? |
| 10:28.55 | Herodes | tuxipuxi, it has no goog apeear. |
| 10:29.11 | Garp | petemc: it's called "remote consol installation" |
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| 10:29.34 | tuxipuxi | Herodes: i have seen it in the paste.. but i don't know what to do, sorry.. maybe big linux forums know |
| 10:29.45 | Herodes | ok |
| 10:29.47 | herbi | can someone please give me a hand. my courier has literally crapped itself. id give an "error" or something, but no such error exists |
| 10:29.56 | herbi | logs, etc all show everything in working order |
| 10:30.02 | herbi | but when i run sylpheed, or any mail client i get |
| 10:30.10 | Garp | petemc: or network. |
| 10:30.10 | herbi | [21:26:59] IMAP4> 4 STATUS INBOX (MESSAGES RECENT UIDNEXT UIDVALIDITY UNSEEN) |
| 10:30.10 | herbi | [21:27:00] IMAP4< 4 NO [ALERT] STATUS failed |
| 10:30.34 | aglet | found the cause of my weird "bind9 stops in the mornings" problem; logrotate.conf is issuing a bind9 restart command, which manages to stop but not restart bind |
| 10:30.37 | herbi | hing |
| 10:30.38 | sep | garp do he use one of the non official debian installer ? do you know witch one ? |
| 10:30.42 | benjamindees | herbi, I think "crapped itself" is a fair assessment |
| 10:30.44 | herbi | uh |
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| 10:31.10 | herbi | benjamindees, definitely. but i need it to start working again so i can read my emails without lessing through my Maildir/cur |
| 10:31.10 | Garp | sep: see http://packages.debian.org/testing/debian-installer/network-console |
| 10:31.12 | protoloco | if the motherboard Chipset is "intel 845GV" .. what could be the chipset or model of the ethernet card that is included ?? i cant find anywhere.. the model of the ethernet card.. |
| 10:31.16 | herbi | nobody in #courier is around :( |
| 10:31.20 | Garp | sep: it's part of the current debian installer. |
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| 10:31.50 | protoloco | ntel D845 GVSR Motherboard <-- in this motherboard is included the ethernet Network Card.. how can i know the Model ???? I want to know if debian is compatible with that ethernet card.. BESIDES, I will buy a WIRELESS Desktop Netowork CArd.. and is a D-link dwl-g520 .. is that one Compatible also ?? IF NO,, to change the NIC's |
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| 10:31.55 | benjamindees | herbi, is this Woody? |
| 10:32.01 | wishie | protoloco: what does lspci tell you ? |
| 10:32.11 | protoloco | i havent bought them.. |
| 10:32.23 | herbi | benjamindees, testing |
| 10:32.24 | wishie | hmm ok |
| 10:32.27 | directhex|work | protoloco, an intel motherboard is rather likely to have onboard intel etherexpress networking |
| 10:32.33 | protoloco | thats why im lookin' for the compatibilities. if they are not.. buy other ones |
| 10:32.35 | wishie | well, if its all intel chipset, id assume an intel lan card |
| 10:32.39 | wishie | so yes, its supported. |
| 10:32.39 | directhex|work | protoloco, but why buy a discontinued chipset like i845? |
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| 10:32.48 | herbi | benjamindees, :((( |
| 10:32.52 | Garp | ok thanks, bebeye |
| 10:32.57 | protoloco | directhex|work, are they discontinued ? |
| 10:32.59 | protoloco | :S |
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| 10:33.00 | sussudio | spambot. |
| 10:33.00 | protoloco | i dont know |
| 10:33.09 | sussudio | FreeSTyLe = spambot |
| 10:33.11 | directhex|work | protoloco, i845 hasn't been about for roughly 2 years |
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| 10:33.42 | joakim | hello all' |
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| 10:33.55 | tuxipuxi_ | now i have a strange problem.. i can ping the router, but no host outside of the network. the router works fine for my other machine.. could it be a problem with the network driver? |
| 10:33.57 | tuxipuxi_ | hi joakim |
| 10:34.33 | protoloc0 | i didnt know |
| 10:34.34 | joakim | tuxipuxi_: hi |
| 10:34.41 | sep | tuxipuxi check your default route |
| 10:35.18 | tuxipuxi_ | sep: /etc/network/interfaces looks right.. should i try route add default gw <ip>? |
| 10:35.30 | joakim | tuxipuxi_: do you know anything about exim3 and multiple domains? |
| 10:35.42 | sep | tuxipuxi route -n will tell you if ytou have a default route or not it starts with 0.0.0.0 |
| 10:35.46 | tuxipuxi_ | joakim: hm, a little i think |
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| 10:36.13 | joakim | tuxipuxi_: ok |
| 10:36.37 | tuxipuxi_ | sep: it outputs three lines.. the first two are destination: "192.168.2.0" and gateway: "0.0.0.0" and the third line is destination: "0.0.0.0" and gateway: "192.168.2.1" |
| 10:36.39 | directhex|work | protoloc0, anyway. i845-era intel networking is NOT supported in Debian Woody's 2.4.18 kernel, you need a newer kernel for it (i.e. you want to use Sarge). the d-link wireless is in theory supported by the MadWifi driver |
| 10:36.57 | benjamindees | herbi, I'd suggest seeing if any other accounts work, root especially |
| 10:37.22 | chewy | whats the command to check the bus ID of my Geforce 5200 |
| 10:37.25 | chewy | AGP |
| 10:37.43 | SlayerXP | Cheethoe: lspci |
| 10:37.47 | SlayerXP | err |
| 10:37.49 | SlayerXP | chewy: lspci |
| 10:37.58 | herbi | benjamindees, ill give that a go |
| 10:38.06 | sep | tuxipuxi: ou have 2 nics in there ? you should only have 2 lines for 1 nic the subnet and the default |
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| 10:38.20 | tuxipuxi | sep: yes, two nics(the board has two) |
| 10:38.41 | sep | tuxipuxi: and both nics in same ip subnet area? |
| 10:38.42 | tuxipuxi | the two last lines are for eth0, the first one for eth2 |
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| 10:39.05 | tuxipuxi | sep: genmask you mean? both 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:39.28 | tuxipuxi | sep: destination is 192.168.2.0 for both and gateway 0.0.0.0 .. which should be 192.168.2.1 |
| 10:39.29 | sep | if both nics are in 192.168.2.something, then it's difficult for default route to know witch nic to use to get to 192.168.2.1 |
| 10:39.50 | herbi | Feb 23 02:01:26 sibrwd exim[11198]: 2005-02-23 02:01:26 1D3tKg-0002ub-00 == root@cuodan.net T=local_delivery defer (13): Permission denied: failed to chdir to /root |
| 10:40.11 | sep | tuxipuxi: dont configure the nic that is not in use and having 2 nics in same subnet is not very useful (usualy) |
| 10:40.15 | herbi | benjamindees, although, exim is delivering mail fine for ALL other users |
| 10:40.44 | tuxipuxi | sep: i haven't configured the second nic.. do you know how to disable it (for the moment) so that i can reach the debian mirrors? |
| 10:41.21 | sep | tuxipuxi: man interfaces , dont have an auto eth2 (where did eth1 go?) and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:41.32 | tuxipuxi | herbi: i would guess exim has no rights to access /root/Maildir |
| 10:41.46 | TinoW | sep: ifup eth2 should work too |
| 10:41.48 | herbi | tuxipuxi, yeah brilliant observation :P |
| 10:42.05 | tuxipuxi | herbi: solution chmod? ;) |
| 10:42.06 | TinoW | or ifdown |
| 10:42.13 | herbi | tuxipuxi, no |
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| 10:42.18 | sep | ifdown eth2 will cure it now, but edit interfaces if you want configs to survive reboots |
| 10:42.27 | herbi | what other imapd's to Maildir, apart from cyrus and courier? |
| 10:42.29 | tuxipuxi | sep: that's the strange thing.. eth2 isn't even mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces! |
| 10:42.48 | tuxipuxi | only autho eth0 + configuration of it |
| 10:43.01 | sep | tuxipuxi: why eth2 and not eth1 ? check you'r dmesg |grep eth |
| 10:43.06 | tuxipuxi | ifdown eth2 says, that it isn't configures |
| 10:43.40 | tuxipuxi | sep: 9 times: "r8169: eth0: Reset RTL8169s PHY" |
| 10:43.58 | sep | tuxipuxi: maybe you have cable in eth2 and it got ip from dhcp or something.. |
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| 10:44.06 | fabietto | Hi at all. I need some help to configure my wireless card (pcmcia). I installed it through ndiswrapper, now the card is visible by the system, the green "link" led is on, i can see the card from iwconfig, but i'm not be able to associate the correct access point... |
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| 10:44.13 | tuxipuxi | let me switch into the other nic sec |
| 10:45.07 | sep | tuxipuxi: i'd /etc/init.d/networking stop; then manualy check and clear all other routes and configs, then /etc/init.d/networking start to see if it gets saner |
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| 10:45.26 | jcook | mkinitrd makes no sence ... I understand that $initrd_root/linuxrc is the script that gets called by the kernel ... I see the contents of the script ... but I see no way anything usefull gets done by it ... can someone explain it to me? |
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| 10:45.34 | tuxipuxi | sep: clear all other routes and configs? where are other config options for that stuff? |
| 10:45.46 | tuxipuxi | sep: if i switch the cable, dmesg says eth2: link down. |
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| 10:46.31 | sep | good then stop networking and check that all routes are gone route -n, then start networking again |
| 10:47.11 | tuxipuxi | sep: ok stopped networking.. route -n says destination 192.168.2.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 genmask 255.255.255.0 and iface eth0 |
| 10:47.18 | tuxipuxi | so not evrerything seems stopped |
| 10:47.22 | jcook | (summary of the linuxrc script): mount proc, root=real-root-dev, echo 256 > real-root-dev, mount tmpfs or mount ramfs, echo old_root > bin/root |
| 10:47.22 | jcook | WTF ? |
| 10:47.39 | sep | ifdown eth0 and ifdown eth2 and check again |
| 10:48.03 | tuxipuxi | sep: says they are not configured and output is the same |
| 10:48.09 | sep | route del then |
| 10:48.22 | sep | and ifconfig to see that the eth's realy are not configured |
| 10:49.08 | tuxipuxi | sep: sorry have no experience with route.. route del what? |
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| 10:49.26 | tuxipuxi | eth0 is still configured in ifconfig with the right ip etc. |
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| 10:49.45 | sep | ifconfig eth0 down then |
| 10:50.09 | sep | tuxipuxi: that might take away the route also. check that |
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| 10:50.19 | tuxipuxi | sep: that worked |
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| 10:50.43 | sep | try starting networking again ? |
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| 10:51.15 | tuxipuxi | sep: :)) can ping hosts! thank you! |
| 10:51.24 | tuxipuxi | do you think this is a permanent fix now? |
| 10:51.30 | sep | tuxipuxi: also i'd add a config for eth2 but not have the auto line, in order for debian to see it but not up it |
| 10:51.39 | jetscreamer | i beat aol! |
| 10:51.42 | sussudio | spoopin_, edhiltir: did either of you get spammed by FreeSTyLe upon joining this channel? |
| 10:51.51 | sep | as long as you dont plug the cable into the wrong port again then i think so |
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| 10:52.03 | trueno | Hi! Is it possible to set up iptables rules affecting only certain users and/or certain applications? |
| 10:52.06 | tuxipuxi | sep: ok, thanks a ton! |
| 10:52.10 | sep | if you dont want dhcp on any interfaces then i'd also remove any dhcp client packages |
| 10:52.16 | jm_ | trueno: yes |
| 10:52.30 | tuxipuxi | sep: don't think i need dhcp, but am not sure |
| 10:52.31 | sep | tuxipuxi: and i'd wonder what happened to eth1 if i was you |
| 10:52.35 | edhiltir | sussudio: no |
| 10:52.52 | sussudio | it must be a time-delayed random user /msg'ing spambot, then |
| 10:53.04 | trueno | jm_ Where can I find how? |
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| 10:53.14 | tuxipuxi | sep: there's eth1 in ifconfig.. Link encap:UNSPEC |
| 10:53.44 | sep | tuxipuxi: dmesg should tell you when and what configured it |
| 10:53.52 | sussudio | eye69: you're not getting spammed by it either? |
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| 10:54.14 | mooded | me neither.. |
| 10:54.33 | tuxipuxi | sep: ok will look for it when i finally installed debian. thanks! |
| 10:54.42 | jcook | so no-one knows anything about initrd? |
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| 10:54.54 | jcook | fantastic |
| 10:54.58 | SlayerXP | jcook: yes, someone knows something about initrd |
| 10:55.24 | sep | jcook: as far as i see you'r only saying it dosnt make sense, you havent actualy asked any questions or have any problems |
| 10:55.29 | mooded | jcook, what was ur question ? |
| 10:55.47 | SlayerXP | mooded: what do ancient cities have to do with it? |
| 10:56.05 | jcook | SlayerXP: "can someone explain it to me?" |
| 10:56.07 | fabietto82 | i should probably activate the radio function on my wireless card... any suggest? |
| 10:56.15 | SlayerXP | jcook: explain _what_ ? |
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| 10:56.28 | mooded | SlayerXP ? ^^ |
| 10:56.31 | sep | !tell jcook about initrd |
| 10:56.36 | jcook | how for example ... "loadmodules" gets done |
| 10:56.40 | SlayerXP | !tell mooded about ur |
| 10:57.11 | mooded | hehe.. ok slayer.. _nothing_ .. |
| 10:57.20 | SlayerXP | jcook: with modprobe or insmod, I would imagine, or using the kernel module autoloader |
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| 10:58.16 | jcook | SlayerXP: i doublt it ... the file (which is not exe) contains lines such as "modprobe -k vesafb > /dev/null 2>&1" |
| 10:58.37 | jm_ | trueno: owner module |
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| 10:59.15 | mooded | jcook, why you doubt what slayer said, if you find exactly the pattern he mentioned ?? *wondering* |
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| 11:00.29 | tuxipuxi | !tell tuxipuxi about ur |
| 11:00.39 | jcook | mooded: loadmodules looks (to me) to contain comands to run ... I fail to see how modprobe/insmod/kernel autoloader would run the lines in that file |
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| 11:01.38 | mooded | jcook, ah ok.. see what u mean.. |
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| 11:03.28 | jetscreamer | initrd is best when taken when needed |
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| 11:03.44 | paulswm | jcook: Not sure of your knowledge level here, but you can read man initrd to get a feel for how initrd is used and you can mount an initrd on loopback and poke around, for example "mount -o loop -t cramfs initrd.img-2.6.8-1-k7 /mnt" |
| 11:04.07 | kcalp | where i can what mouse i must select for thinkpad t30 Thinking mousePS/2 ? |
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| 11:04.32 | jcook | paulswm: mkinitrd -k ... mv /tmp/mkintrd.* /root, cd /root/mkinit<tab> |
| 11:04.37 | blop39 | hello |
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| 11:04.56 | jetscreamer | http://xfree.org/current/mouse.html |
| 11:05.02 | jcook | paulswm: I have read the man like 10 times now ... I am certain it is wrong / out of date |
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| 11:06.11 | kcalp | thanx |
| 11:06.11 | blop39 | i use debian on a laptop, but the clock run too speed ... i read that is a ACPI/Kernel problem. do you know if it's a bug or a problem of configuration |
| 11:06.21 | jetscreamer | thinking mouse seems to be a kensington |
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| 11:09.19 | caoilte | Hi. Can anyone tell me if the Sarge Installer supports ATARAID? |
| 11:09.43 | Huschi | i've got a single user desktop pc and therefore want to start a windowmanager for my user at boot time. is there a way to do this without gdm? |
| 11:10.13 | directhex|work | with kdm! |
| 11:10.44 | blop39 | huggi, startx in a rc level |
| 11:10.55 | Huschi | i also don't want to use kdm. |
| 11:10.56 | blop39 | Huschi, startx in a rc level |
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| 11:11.18 | Huschi | blop39: i tried it, but i found no solution. |
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| 11:11.37 | sep | Huschi: in inittab then |
| 11:12.03 | valdyn_ | Huschi: why the need to do it w/o gdm? |
| 11:12.45 | Huschi | sep: i tried it, but i also found no solution. probably due to a lack of my knowledge. |
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| 11:13.04 | Huschi | valdyn_: i want a small system. |
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| 11:13.27 | sep | Huschi: i do it in inittab on my freevo box at home, so it is possible |
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| 11:14.01 | Huschi | sep, can you please send me the line of your inittab? |
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| 11:14.23 | sep | Huschi http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue52/tag/14.html |
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| 11:14.27 | sep | Huschi: im at work not at home |
| 11:14.43 | sep | Huschi: but that url explains it in a similar way |
| 11:15.05 | Araldit | Anyone know what this error means: Bus Mastering is not enabled. It comes when I load a specific module. Is there an option in the kernel conserning busmastering??? |
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| 11:15.32 | slept | I got a problem with my kernel I can insmod /lib/modules/.../apm.ko but I can't modprobe it, modprobe tells me module not found |
| 11:15.57 | Huschi | sep, thank you very much. |
| 11:15.59 | valdyn_ | slept: "modprobe apm" |
| 11:16.00 | visik7 | depmod -a |
| 11:16.20 | visik7 | slept depmod -a |
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| 11:16.39 | valdyn_ | slept: and don't use insmod.. |
| 11:16.47 | slept | thanks a lot, things can be so easy |
| 11:16.53 | huggi | blop39 what do you mean? |
| 11:17.13 | SkippedySkop | hmm i thought modprobe used depmod? |
| 11:18.37 | jetscreamer | it's incorporated into debian sources and upstreak versions from kernel.org |
| 11:18.48 | jetscreamer | but iirc you can d/l the patch |
| 11:18.51 | directhex|work | jcook, cramfs initrd, i think |
| 11:18.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get |
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| 11:19.07 | jetscreamer | s/streak/stream/ |
| 11:19.13 | jcook | jetscreamer: yeah ... im wondering if there's some magic in there which calls these files |
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| 11:19.38 | jetscreamer | no idea, i lose what i don't want |
| 11:19.45 | jetscreamer | or need |
| 11:20.00 | jetscreamer | hopefully one day i wil need it |
| 11:20.05 | jetscreamer | :> |
| 11:20.06 | jcook | jetscreamer: i refuse to resort to hacks |
| 11:20.16 | jetscreamer | not using initrd isn't ahack |
| 11:20.23 | slept | where can I find /dev/rtc support, or what is the name of the module I want to use ? |
| 11:20.25 | jcook | for me it is |
| 11:20.58 | jetscreamer | you need initrd for the kernel to be able to be used across differently configured machines, hw wise |
| 11:21.10 | jetscreamer | w/o needing a sperate kernel for each |
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| 11:21.15 | valdyn_ | slept: modprobe rtc |
| 11:21.16 | jetscreamer | me, i don't need it :( |
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| 11:21.52 | slept | thanks |
| 11:22.29 | jcook | jetscreamer: why should I have to alter the default debian kernel? ... I dont have to ... but I would like my initrd to load faster ... IE ... not load modules I KNOW are not needed ... id PDC controler modules etc |
| 11:22.32 | jetscreamer | there are 2 different versions of the rtc module, one is a high speed or high preformance one, you need the hw to support it |
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| 11:23.09 | jetscreamer | jcook, you don't have to, it's your choice... but it's a choice, not a requirement. |
| 11:24.01 | jetscreamer | and getting it to load modules you know aren't needed is basically the same as compiling them in and not using initrd |
| 11:24.11 | jcook | jetscreamer: instead of having to compile my own kernel ... I can keep the debian kernel ... ... and in the event I have a HW change ... I can delete the '-custom' from the initrd line in grub |
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| 11:24.14 | jetscreamer | cept you load the modules and i don't |
| 11:24.25 | tuxipuxi | dselect doesn't show all packages available, no xfree and so on.. can someone tell me how i can make all packages available in the list? |
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| 11:24.46 | jetscreamer | tuxipuxi, hit / and type x-windows-system |
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| 11:24.55 | paulswm | jcook: It's actually easier to configure and recompile the kernel than to mess with initrd, the debian kernel compile is a breeze |
| 11:24.59 | jetscreamer | or x-window rather i think |
| 11:25.07 | jetscreamer | !info x-window-system |
| 11:25.11 | Rambo3 | o ki followed this -> http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php , and at the last step dpkg -i it failed with initrd , no initrd-tools, now apt-get cant work couse its missing kernel- image-2.6.6 |
| 11:25.17 | dpkg | x-window-system: (X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 (sid), Packaged size: 151 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 11:25.36 | jetscreamer | hey tuxipuxi is this woody? |
| 11:25.37 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: doesn't even find something for "window" .. just beeps |
| 11:25.40 | Esaj | does anyone have an rpm/.deb for Intel's VTune? |
| 11:25.42 | jcook | jetscreamer: the default kernels have ext2/3 as modules now ... so ... |
| 11:25.47 | jetscreamer | tuxipuxi, x-window-system |
| 11:25.54 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: only sid sources |
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| 11:26.15 | jcook | jetscreamer: but still ... I like initrd |
| 11:26.21 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: i type / then enter x-window-system and press enter.. all i get is a beep |
| 11:26.30 | jetscreamer | that's weird |
| 11:26.50 | jetscreamer | are your sources configured? |
| 11:27.12 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: should i try if x-window-system is available in plain apt-get? |
| 11:27.17 | paulswm | Rambo3: if you're doing your own kernel compile you don't need initrd, jsut make sure that what you need for boot is compiled into the kernel (e.g. support for your root file system). If you need it for bioot, don't compile it as a module and you don't need initrd. |
| 11:27.27 | jetscreamer | jcook, ok nobody's saying you have to do it one way or the other, i'm just point some stuff out |
| 11:27.44 | jetscreamer | tuxipuxi, yeah... do apt-get update first |
| 11:27.45 | Rambo3 | how do i fix apt? |
| 11:27.54 | jcook | jetscreamer: yeah ... im just soo pissed I cant figure out this initrd |
| 11:27.55 | jetscreamer | Rambo3, how did you kill apt |
| 11:28.05 | Rambo3 | magnum 357 |
| 11:28.24 | sussudio | ~kill Rambo3 |
| 11:28.26 | apt | ACTION shoots a charged pseudoproton gun at Rambo3 |
| 11:28.26 | jcook | jetscreamer: im now rgreping the kernel source tree |
| 11:28.29 | jcook | damn ... nada |
| 11:28.33 | sussudio | apt: you're lame |
| 11:28.43 | Rambo3 | well evrything that i want to install failes becouse of that new dependency of kernel-2.4.6-my-own |
| 11:28.43 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: it's available in apt-get |
| 11:28.43 | jetscreamer | jcook, modules that get loaded are listed in /etc/modules , but you know this right? and are we talking discover/hotplug, or what? |
| 11:29.08 | jetscreamer | tuxipuxi, if you did an apt-get update first, maybe that was the problem |
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| 11:29.20 | jetscreamer | but either way |
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| 11:29.34 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: i didn't |
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| 11:29.57 | jetscreamer | you can tack on gnome or kde or something along with the x-window-system |
| 11:30.22 | jetscreamer | omg you broke dselect :) |
| 11:30.53 | ricky_clarkson | !seen Forest |
| 11:30.54 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: i haven't seen 'forest' |
| 11:30.55 | jetscreamer | and btw aptitude is becoming the debian default :/ |
| 11:31.11 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: maybe i should just go with apt-get? :) |
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| 11:31.26 | jetscreamer | tuxipuxi, yeah i thought you were already d/l'ing it |
| 11:31.39 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system gnome or whatever |
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| 11:32.23 | jcook | jetscreamer: sorry ... I gotta stop rgreping /dev |
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| 11:32.33 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 11:32.42 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: ok thanks ;) |
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| 11:34.58 | SkippedySkop | hmm is apache the only unix webserver? |
| 11:35.05 | SlayerXP | SkippedySkop: no |
| 11:35.07 | iceman | no, far from |
| 11:35.09 | Daboone72 | Hey guys does anyone know what library the Debian installer uses to do it's terminal graphics |
| 11:35.15 | SkippedySkop | hmm what other ones are there? |
| 11:35.18 | SkippedySkop | i couldn't find a list |
| 11:35.26 | SlayerXP | SkippedySkop: apt-cache search web server |
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| 11:36.12 | mathieu_ | there's thttpd, roxen, a loads of others |
| 11:36.19 | blop39 | i use debian on a laptop, but the clock run too speed ... i read that is a ACPI/Kernel problem. do you know if it's a bug or a problem of configuration |
| 11:36.20 | jcook | jetscreamer: gotta go ... battlestar galactica is on .. and the box is on batties |
| 11:36.29 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 11:37.07 | jetscreamer | too slow? |
| 11:37.19 | sussudio | badger? |
| 11:37.34 | nevyn_ | mushroom |
| 11:37.48 | Phated | snake? |
| 11:37.49 | ricky_clarkson | wanker |
| 11:37.50 | jetscreamer | king of london says cat shit. |
| 11:38.02 | slept | used apmsleep +0:01 after wakeup all my tty's are gone, what happend ? |
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| 11:39.02 | sussudio | hmm |
| 11:39.15 | jetscreamer | blop39, there are some modules in kernel tailored for specific kinds of laptop.. i know nothing, but you might look around in kernel-docs |
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| 11:40.32 | blop39 | thank jetscreamer i'll be looking for |
| 11:40.41 | Rambo3 | toshiba and acer |
| 11:40.56 | blop39 | me i have a compaq presario |
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| 11:41.17 | Rambo3 | i have compaq evo |
| 11:41.22 | sussudio | COMPAQQQ |
| 11:41.27 | jetscreamer | i have a jetscreamer |
| 11:41.39 | gen | i have a large penis |
| 11:41.44 | jetscreamer | so? |
| 11:41.45 | sussudio | no you don't |
| 11:42.20 | tuxipuxi | what are the packages to install for sound? alsa*? |
| 11:42.35 | jetscreamer | not with a 2.6 kernel |
| 11:42.44 | jetscreamer | uname -r |
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| 11:43.03 | jetscreamer | is this a sarge/d-i install? |
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| 11:43.10 | jetscreamer | or a woody upgrade |
| 11:43.17 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: sarge installer, only packages from sid |
| 11:43.20 | ricky_clarkson | gen: Not any more you don't. |
| 11:43.21 | tuxipuxi | kernel 2.5 |
| 11:43.29 | tuxipuxi | ahm 2.6 |
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| 11:43.50 | gen | :( |
| 11:43.50 | jetscreamer | alsa should be setup, but there's a module or two that don't get loaded like they should |
| 11:43.55 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 11:43.56 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 11:44.00 | invisible_jim | anone know how to specify a facility for iptables so i can log to syslogd? |
| 11:44.18 | gen | you're almost as gay as jeremy clarkson |
| 11:44.22 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: ah thansk |
| 11:44.24 | tuxipuxi | thanks |
| 11:44.30 | sussudio | !tell gen about gay |
| 11:44.48 | jetscreamer | i think an op should take interest in good ole gen |
| 11:44.55 | slept | is there a way to undelete files on reiserfs |
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| 11:45.18 | jetscreamer | you can hexedit the disk if you don't write to it |
| 11:45.30 | directhex|work | you need alsa-base and alsa-utils |
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| 11:45.38 | tuxipuxi | !tell tuxipuxi about gay |
| 11:45.40 | ricky_clarkson | gen: Please don't talk about my dad that way. |
| 11:45.41 | jetscreamer | !listen to directhex|work |
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| 11:46.05 | quetzalcoatl | hi |
| 11:46.05 | tuxipuxi | ah, dpkg has nice entries |
| 11:46.09 | tuxipuxi | hi quetzalcoatl |
| 11:46.11 | directhex|work | and runnign alsaconf & rebooting is probably the quickest way to clean up after oss modules in most cases, unless you're comfortable in your modprobe -r use |
| 11:46.37 | jetscreamer | it's a d-i install, alsa should be the default, no oss (imo) |
| 11:46.53 | quetzalcoatl | can somebody help me type Euro symbol on emacs ? It works on gedit and I can see this symbol on emacs. But I can't type it |
| 11:47.17 | Rambo3 | can t you copy/paste it |
| 11:47.26 | quetzalcoatl | Rambo3, from gedit ? |
| 11:47.31 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, take it up with the mailing lists |
| 11:47.42 | tuxipuxi | haha weird apt-get just "Quit"ed while downloading packages |
| 11:47.53 | tuxipuxi | or is it cause i cleaned the keyboard? :P |
| 11:48.04 | jetscreamer | directhex|work, i mean alsa is installed by default with d-i |
| 11:48.13 | quetzalcoatl | when I copy past, it prints \u20ac |
| 11:48.15 | jetscreamer | ctrl and c are close together |
| 11:48.59 | ricky_clarkson | tuxipuxi: hint, change to an unused console before cleaning your keyboard. |
| 11:49.01 | jetscreamer | so in this case there should be no oss module mess |
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| 11:49.21 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, i imagine things will change in etch |
| 11:49.42 | quetzalcoatl | I think emacs doesn't understand my AltGr key |
| 11:49.55 | jetscreamer | i know nothing... not having the sound and the mouse work right after a d-i install might be nice though |
| 11:50.04 | paulswm | tuxipuxi: or at least one where root isn't reading the keyboard :> |
| 11:50.10 | jetscreamer | err not not having |
| 11:50.17 | jetscreamer | ie having |
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| 11:50.24 | kneet | quetzalcoatl, won't that depend on the keymap? AltGr works fine in emacs with a norwegian set |
| 11:50.27 | tuxipuxi | ricky_clarkson: hehe wise idea |
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| 11:50.52 | tuxipuxi | paulswm: rm -Rf /* luckily isn't too likely to be typed accidentally :)) |
| 11:50.52 | quetzalcoatl | kneet, do you knowx how I can test this ? |
| 11:50.55 | jetscreamer | hey that is a good idea Rick |
| 11:51.08 | jetscreamer | err ricky_clarkson |
| 11:51.10 | paulswm | tuxipuxi: heh |
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| 11:51.25 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: I'm the ideas man. Now get to work, labourer! |
| 11:51.40 | kneet | Hmm - not with euro - not had to try that one ;-) Have to admit I just chose norwegian keys at install time and the alt-gr keys "just work" |
| 11:51.41 | jetscreamer | o shit it's 6am |
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| 11:51.51 | kcalp | how i can check in debian from console how much hdd is in use/free etc.. |
| 11:51.56 | jetscreamer | df -h |
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| 11:52.17 | kcalp | jet: was that to me ? |
| 11:52.23 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 11:52.26 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 11:52.39 | kcalp | thanx nice :) |
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| 11:53.02 | quetzalcoatl | kneet, ok :-( |
| 11:53.03 | tuxipuxi | never had a crossover network cable.. do you think it will be sufficient to attach it to the network card of the pc and try to connect to it from the other oc? |
| 11:53.04 | jetscreamer | man df & du |
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| 11:53.24 | jetscreamer | tuxipuxi, it depends on the jack you're plugging it into |
| 11:53.30 | jetscreamer | they either work or no |
| 11:53.51 | jetscreamer | oc? |
| 11:53.57 | tuxipuxi | oc? |
| 11:54.06 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.11 | jetscreamer | what is oc |
| 11:54.14 | no-id | where can i find Cyrus SASL ? i cant find a debian package for this |
| 11:54.15 | directhex|work | orange camel. |
| 11:54.17 | Rawplayer | OTHER COMPUTER?! |
| 11:54.18 | tuxipuxi | lol |
| 11:54.18 | directhex|work | !cyrus |
| 11:54.18 | dpkg | well, cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. It's homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 11:54.20 | tuxipuxi | pc! |
| 11:54.37 | jetscreamer | iirc no you need a straight cable |
| 11:54.47 | directhex|work | pc -> pc is crossover |
| 11:54.56 | tuxipuxi | that's what i want :) |
| 11:54.57 | jetscreamer | ok i'm wrung |
| 11:54.59 | tuxipuxi | @ directhex|work |
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| 11:55.12 | cahoot | is that any important nowadays - crossover vs straight? |
| 11:55.16 | tuxipuxi | i'll just try(no monitor and keyboard attached to the one pc) |
| 11:55.23 | tuxipuxi | cahoot: if you have no hub |
| 11:55.33 | jetscreamer | depends on the jack... i think some auto sense it |
| 11:55.44 | paulswm | !me wrings jetscreamer again |
| 11:55.45 | dpkg | moi? |
| 11:55.48 | cahoot | that's my experience |
| 11:55.53 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, netgear kit, commonly. |
| 11:55.59 | paulswm | dammit |
| 11:56.26 | tuxipuxi | i hate cables, i want everything to be wireless |
| 11:56.28 | tuxipuxi | *everything* |
| 11:56.35 | jetscreamer | i beat gayol! |
| 11:56.53 | tuxipuxi | and i hate fans |
| 11:56.57 | jetscreamer | got the frickin new router to work with gayolpppoe |
| 11:56.59 | paulswm | tuxipuxi: You want everything to be slow and more open to hacking? |
| 11:57.10 | jetscreamer | and winxp... (not my box) |
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| 11:57.39 | shadebob | hi, How can I launch app on fluxbox startup? |
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| 11:57.56 | tuxipuxi | paulswm: no not really :) |
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| 11:58.13 | Rawplayer | wlan sux |
| 11:58.32 | jetscreamer | wtf gayol has a limit on pw length.. 8 chars. >8 works with gayol sign on and dsl modem dialer thingy, but if you wanna bypass that and do the real connect, it's limited to 8 chars. |
| 11:58.32 | paulswm | tuxipuxi: I know what you mean, though my office here at home looks like it was bombed with blue spaghetti |
| 11:58.32 | directhex|work | wireless never works right:/ |
| 11:58.35 | tuxipuxi | wlan is a nice thing... surf whereever you want |
| 11:58.51 | tuxipuxi | (with encryption, also wep is weak) |
| 11:59.06 | jetscreamer | took me 2 days dammit |
| 11:59.07 | tuxipuxi | ahm although |
| 11:59.28 | ricky_clarkson | I just heard somebody collecting money for a retiring colleague and quietly closed my office door. |
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| 12:00.32 | karim | hi |
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| 12:00.58 | karim | is there a way to downgrade a package, without having to remove everything that depends of it ? |
| 12:00.59 | jetscreamer | what encryption should i use on this new2me wireless network |
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| 12:01.06 | PerfDave | !tell jetscreamer -about gay |
| 12:01.15 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 12:01.18 | Rawplayer | :D |
| 12:01.33 | PerfDave | WLAN is annoying, because IPSec is annoying to set up. |
| 12:01.43 | jetscreamer | i don't think of homosexuals as the word gay, but try gay.com |
| 12:01.45 | valdyn_ | karim: dpkg -i <package> |
| 12:01.50 | karim | I mean, I know the package that depends of it can support the pakcage that I want to install, but the only way I know is to remove the old one and put the other, wich result in an attempt to remove |
| 12:01.53 | karim | valdyn_, ok |
| 12:02.02 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Just go get yourself pounded up the arse by a hairy man, you'll feel better. |
| 12:02.13 | sussudio | !seen rahul |
| 12:02.14 | dpkg | rahul <rjain@66-234-32-170.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 124d 9h 52m 42s ago, saying: 'xmms: just use the debian installer....'. |
| 12:02.25 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, you should see this billboard down where i used to work... it's huge. |
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| 12:03.30 | jetscreamer | i use the word ppl too |
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| 12:04.56 | ricky_clarkson | ppl shdnt typ lyk ther chrgd by teh chrchtr unls thy r, lyk in SMS. |
| 12:05.06 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, I should take that to #debian-welsh |
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| 12:06.12 | ircdevil | *sigh* - will sarge _ever_ release ... |
| 12:06.41 | ricky_clarkson | Yes, but it's waiting for all its packages to be 3 years out of date first. |
| 12:06.58 | ircdevil | ricky_clarkson: didnt that happen a long time ago ? |
| 12:07.11 | ricky_clarkson | No. java-package is newish. |
| 12:07.30 | ircdevil | java ... fuck java! |
| 12:07.36 | ircdevil | !fuck java |
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| 12:08.42 | ircdevil | "we are withholding the release of sarge until gnome, kde, and jave are stable" ... |
| 12:08.43 | cahoot | I'm using boa as httpd - some (simple photo) pages triggers this error: 'Sendfile write: Value too large for data type' - google hasn't been very helpful - what might be the cause of this? |
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| 12:09.23 | ircdevil | s/jave/java ... hmmmm then again a stable jave would be nifty to have around |
| 12:09.33 | raboof | anyone know a good backport of libxml2-python2.3 to woody? or any libxml2-python actually :) |
| 12:09.48 | raboof | the one i found appears to only contain /usr/share/doc/libxml2-python2.3/* |
| 12:09.50 | ircdevil | raboof: did you check backports.org ? |
| 12:09.52 | jetscreamer | there are no backports.org or a message in dpkg |
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| 12:10.06 | jetscreamer | NO! |
| 12:10.09 | jetscreamer | LIES |
| 12:10.18 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: Care to step outside and discuss your problem with my Java? |
| 12:10.20 | ircdevil | !sedate jetscreamer |
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| 12:10.22 | raboof | backports.org doesn't have them. apt-get.org seems to have a few, but i haven't seen a working one yet :) |
| 12:10.39 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.45 | jetscreamer | i was gonna say, don't insult the java in front of ricky |
| 12:11.25 | ircdevil | bah, id rather have lunch :o) |
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| 12:11.40 | ricky_clarkson | The thing is, Java deserves insults. |
| 12:11.45 | sussudio | in soviet russia, you _are_ lunch |
| 12:11.58 | ricky_clarkson | But the insults it deserves are usually different to the insults it gets in non-Java channels. |
| 12:12.04 | RichiH | sussudio: 'lunch are you' |
| 12:12.15 | ircdevil | sussudio: the danish thing again ? |
| 12:12.28 | jetscreamer | to russia with love |
| 12:12.37 | jetscreamer | phhhhhhhhhhht |
| 12:12.48 | jetscreamer | (j/k) |
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| 12:13.35 | RichiH | jetscreamer: from |
| 12:13.45 | raboof | ah, found one for python 2.2. that'll do. thanks for the hints. |
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| 12:14.58 | fabietto | Hi at all. When i try to run "iwlist scan" with my wireless card (d-link g630 installed through driverloader) i get "eth1: failed to read scan data: no data available" |
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| 12:15.46 | fabietto | and if i try to manually set the ap address (00-11-95-07-C8-82), iwconfig doesn't show me the modify |
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| 12:17.23 | fabietto | i can't ping my router (destination host unreachable) |
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| 12:17.54 | fabietto | any idea? |
| 12:17.57 | VoX | aLen is spamming |
| 12:17.59 | spo0nman | where can i find the .tex files for the gnome users guide? |
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| 12:19.37 | alejandro_ | the debian gnome has been modified in any way from the original? |
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| 12:19.48 | ricky_clarkson | It's got an extra goatee beard. |
| 12:20.09 | sussudio | !ops aLen is spamming and FreeSTyLe is also a spambot, although it's just sitting out there, apparantly doing nothing |
| 12:20.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aLen is spamming and FreeSTyLe is also a spambot, although it's just sitting out there, apparantly doing nothing |
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| 12:22.18 | sussudio | zinx: FreeSTyLe spammed you? |
| 12:22.29 | daft_ | !Opers alen Auto join msg |
| 12:22.33 | zinx | ney, but aLen did |
| 12:22.34 | daft_ | wtf was it command |
| 12:22.43 | sussudio | i already used it |
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| 12:23.09 | daft_ | sigh |
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| 12:24.16 | Rambo3 | is there any script to fix the network with dhcp . |
| 12:24.23 | ricky_clarkson | dh_client or pump |
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| 12:25.31 | Rambo3 | no such files |
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| 12:26.43 | cool_blade | anyone know how to add a perm route in debian ? |
| 12:26.52 | cool_blade | or more specifically, the best way to do it |
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| 12:26.54 | ricky_clarkson | cool_blade: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:26.58 | ricky_clarkson | I think. |
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| 12:27.09 | ricky_clarkson | Rambo3: Install them, possibly. |
| 12:30.03 | J_P | zope is very old version in sarge.... :-( |
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| 12:31.27 | strk | would content of /etc/apt/preferences influence output of apt-cache search ? |
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| 12:32.47 | visik7 | ricky_clarkson put a script into if-up.d directory |
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| 12:34.21 | MaximusBr | hi |
| 12:34.48 | sander_ | I installed new debian in a new computer (sarge), how do I turn on graphical login? |
| 12:34.54 | sander_ | I dont remember how to do |
| 12:35.15 | kjoonlee | sander_: install gdm / kdm / any other display manager |
| 12:35.18 | jm_ | install one of the display managers |
| 12:35.20 | MaximusBr | plz kick aLen... hes a spamming bot... but.. |
| 12:35.28 | MaximusBr | i can't get SSH from apt... so: apt-get install ssh |
| 12:35.41 | kuene | sander_ try xdm |
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| 12:36.00 | Athon_Solo | aLen appears to be an onjoin spam bot |
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| 12:36.20 | MaximusBr | it has dependancies... zlib1g... which apt cant find |
| 12:36.23 | visik7 | yes it's a on join spam bot |
| 12:36.27 | stew | !ops aLen onjoin spam bot |
| 12:36.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aLen onjoin spam bot |
| 12:36.35 | slept | is there a way to undelete files on reiserfs (6 GB) |
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| 12:37.25 | tuxipuxi | mentor a spambot? i know him, he's a person |
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| 12:37.43 | jm_ | uff read it again |
| 12:37.47 | petemc | tuxipuxi: mentor is an op |
| 12:38.35 | stew | tuxipuxi: no mentor is someone with capabilities to kick said bot |
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| 12:38.35 | versuchsanstalt | aLen: stop flooding me porn ads. |
| 12:38.35 | visik7 | slept check google |
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| 12:38.35 | sander_ | ummmm |
| 12:38.35 | tuxipuxi | ohhh ok :) |
| 12:38.35 | visik7 | slept http://www.antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.comments |
| 12:38.35 | paulswm | versuchsanstalt: it's a spam bot |
| 12:38.35 | MaximusBr | can anybody help me with this... to be a bit more clear... im working in cli |
| 12:38.35 | sander_ | If I want to install 2 or 3 packages in the same command, how to do ? |
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| 12:38.37 | versuchsanstalt | paulswm: yes, do we have a mechanism for that? |
| 12:38.40 | petemc | sander_: list them one after the other, with spaces between package names |
| 12:38.50 | versuchsanstalt | paulswm: i thought this was it. |
| 12:38.52 | sander_ | Great!!! |
| 12:38.52 | petemc | apt-get install foo bar baz |
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| 12:39.04 | paulswm | versuchsanstalt: ops have been called twice |
| 12:39.14 | versuchsanstalt | paulswm: i see. |
| 12:39.21 | versuchsanstalt | thx |
| 12:39.25 | MaximusBr | .. |
| 12:39.26 | MaximusBr | i can't get SSH from apt... so: apt-get install ssh |
| 12:39.27 | paulswm | yw |
| 12:39.29 | slept | visik7: thanks, looks good |
| 12:39.33 | MaximusBr | it has dependancies... zlib1g... which apt cant find |
| 12:39.43 | stew | MaximusBr: have you run apt-get update in a while/ |
| 12:39.49 | paulswm | MaximusBr: apt-get isntall ssh should work fine, what's the problem |
| 12:40.10 | MaximusBr | it has dependancies... zlib1g... hich apt cant find |
| 12:40.18 | MaximusBr | im working in cli |
| 12:40.39 | holycow | visik7, good linkage, i did that 6 months ago |
| 12:40.40 | sander_ | After uses Red Hat, Conectiva, Mandrake, Kurumin, SuSE, and Slackware, finally I found the more easy of them !!! |
| 12:40.43 | kjoonlee | sander_: apt-get install installthis installthat removethis- removethat- |
| 12:40.45 | holycow | worked like a charm |
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| 12:41.11 | MaximusBr | ive runned apt-get update always before updating... its updates but it still pops an error... |
| 12:41.22 | MaximusBr | im almost totally sure sources.list is OK... |
| 12:41.35 | holycow | note to anyone using that, recover the log to another hd |
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| 12:41.42 | holycow | preferrably mounting it as a slave or some such |
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| 12:41.54 | |ac3| | i installed kernel-source-2.6 and kernel patches 2.6 should i use make-kpkg or make dep bzImage modules modules_install ? |
| 12:42.01 | stew | MaximusBr: is this woody or sarge? |
| 12:42.05 | MaximusBr | woody |
| 12:42.07 | MaximusBr | :) |
| 12:42.14 | |ac3| | I´m running sarge |
| 12:42.21 | stew | MaximusBr: does it say that it can't find zlib1g at all or just the wrong version? |
| 12:42.37 | stew | !info zlib1g woody |
| 12:42.53 | MaximusBr | ssh: depends on zlib1g but it is not installable |
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| 12:43.08 | MaximusBr | E: sorry, broken package |
| 12:43.17 | MaximusBr | is the error mssg |
| 12:43.21 | MaximusBr | !info zlib1g woody |
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| 12:43.31 | dpkg | zlib1g: (compression library - runtime), section libs, is standard. Version: 1:1.1.4-1.0woody0 (woody), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
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| 12:43.45 | MaximusBr | yep... that is... :) |
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| 12:43.54 | stew | MaximusBr: which means its in both main and in security |
| 12:44.06 | stew | MaximusBr: do you have a security line in sources.list? |
| 12:44.09 | MaximusBr | which ive got both in my sources.list |
| 12:44.17 | MaximusBr | ow... so yes :) |
| 12:44.23 | visik7 | holycow and it worked? ? |
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| 12:44.52 | stew | MaximusBr: and you have no testing or sarge lines in sources.list? |
| 12:44.57 | stew | (and never did0 |
| 12:45.07 | MaximusBr | ive got 2 security link (1 us 1 non-us) and 2 main links (1 us - 1 non-us) |
| 12:45.15 | MaximusBr | @stew No... |
| 12:45.19 | MaximusBr | do I have to??? |
| 12:45.35 | stew | !info ssh woody |
| 12:45.38 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3 (woody), Packaged size: 627 kB, Installed size: 1508 kB |
| 12:45.40 | stew | !depends ssh woody |
| 12:45.45 | dpkg | ssh: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libpam0g (>= 0.72-1), libssl0.9.6, libwrap0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), debconf, adduser |
| 12:45.46 | dpkg | zlib1g: (compression library - runtime), section libs, is standard. Version: 1:1.1.4-1.0woody0 (woody), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 12:46.13 | MaximusBr | thats allright... but I cant get it with apt-get install :'( |
| 12:46.27 | Antilife | -_-; |
| 12:46.35 | MaximusBr | im srry... im a linux n00b... still learning :) |
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| 12:47.15 | MaximusBr | !info ssh woody |
| 12:47.18 | MaximusBr | !depends ssh woody |
| 12:47.19 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is standard. Version: 1:3.4p1-1.woody.3 (woody), Packaged size: 627 kB, Installed size: 1508 kB |
| 12:47.21 | dpkg | ssh: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libpam0g (>= 0.72-1), libssl0.9.6, libwrap0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), debconf, adduser |
| 12:47.30 | jm_ | please stop addressing the bot in public, use /msg dpkg |
| 12:47.36 | paulswm | MaximusBr: /msg the bot, see /topic |
| 12:47.38 | MaximusBr | roger... |
| 12:47.51 | stew | MaximusBr: do you wanna paste either your 1 us security line here or your entire sources.list in flood? |
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| 12:47.58 | MaximusBr | i cant paste... but ill type it over |
| 12:47.58 | tuxipuxi | hm i copied my old XF86Config-4 to my new debian system. however, the x server aborts with this output which doesn't include something which helps me(thanks to my ignorance *g*) http://tuxipuxi.org/XFree86.0.log ..anybody else an idea? |
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| 12:48.20 | tuxipuxi | wrong url |
| 12:48.30 | tuxipuxi | http://tuxipuxi.org/files/XFree86.0.log |
| 12:49.11 | tuxipuxi | the same config worked for the old system so i don't know where the problem could be |
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| 12:49.48 | MaximusBr | @stew: see #flood |
| 12:49.53 | MaximusBr | :D |
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| 12:51.08 | petemc | tuxipuxi: take out the BusID part |
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| 12:51.39 | tam | does anyone know if the nvidia drivers that debian provides emulate twinview etc as the official nvidia drivers do? |
| 12:51.44 | tuxipuxi | petemc: BusID part? what's that? |
| 12:52.00 | hackeron | quick, give me a good name for a project. |
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| 12:52.16 | jm_ | tam: you mean xfree86? |
| 12:52.17 | petemc | tuxipuxi: the exact text isnt enough for you? look at the file. |
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| 12:52.42 | petemc | hackeron: smegma-santorum |
| 12:52.47 | tam | jm_: well, that too. i'm trying to support twinview so i can watch my dvds from my pc to my telly |
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| 12:53.04 | gvn | debian rulezzz |
| 12:53.05 | tam | i know the official drivers work because i had them running in fedora before i upgraded to debian |
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| 12:53.31 | petemc | tam: tv out works fine with the debian nvidia drivers, of course |
| 12:53.37 | directhex|work | tam, the provided drivers are just the xfree86 drivers |
| 12:53.43 | jm_ | tam: ahh apt-cache show nvtv |
| 12:53.48 | directhex|work | tam, install nvidia-glx if you want the nvidia binary 3d drivers |
| 12:53.52 | tuxipuxi | petemc: Fatal server error: |
| 12:53.52 | tuxipuxi | no screens found |
| 12:53.57 | tuxipuxi | that's all i see |
| 12:54.16 | petemc | tuxipuxi: you would be better letting debian generate you a new config file tbh |
| 12:54.32 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, what card do you have? |
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| 12:54.39 | tuxipuxi | with x86cfg? |
| 12:54.42 | Trev1 | XF86Config-4 |
| 12:54.45 | petemc | tuxipuxi: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 12:54.45 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: geforce 6600GT |
| 12:54.49 | hackeron | petemc: hmm |
| 12:54.57 | petemc | hackeron: not like it? |
| 12:55.02 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, not supported by the nv driver in sarge. use nvidia-glx |
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| 12:55.08 | hackeron | petemc: shorter :) |
| 12:55.20 | petemc | hackeron: smegma on its own then :) |
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| 12:55.28 | petemc | its catchy |
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| 12:55.37 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, smeg. |
| 12:55.41 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: ah so i probably should compile a new kernel and install nforce and nvidia driver anyway? |
| 12:55.46 | tam | cheers guys, i'm in work so i'll give it a try when i get home |
| 12:55.58 | petemc | tam: i have a config for tv out if you want a look |
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| 12:56.08 | hackeron | petemc: hmm, not bad :) |
| 12:56.18 | tam | petemc: yeah, that would be great. i have one here too. but another would help me more. thanks |
| 12:56.18 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, that sounds a bit overblown, and considering you were unable ti diagnose the problem that your card isn't on a big human-readable list, i'd question your ability to compile a kernel that works properly |
| 12:56.23 | petemc | tam: http://www.yerma.org/nvidia/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:56.42 | E0x | ping are a spammer |
| 12:56.46 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, you can just install the debian nvidia-glx packages. follow the procedure the bot dpkg is about to tell you about |
| 12:56.53 | directhex|work | !tell tuxipuxi about non-free sources |
| 12:56.55 | tam | thanks petemc |
| 12:56.58 | petemc | np |
| 12:56.59 | directhex|work | !tell tuxipuxi about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 12:57.04 | directhex|work | !tell tuxipuxi about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:57.06 | bn` | E0x: yes Ping is a spammer |
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| 12:57.15 | jm_ | petemc: and you say DISPLAY=:1 mplayer or what? |
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| 12:57.21 | E0x | kick him |
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| 12:57.31 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: i have compiled kernels myself :) |
| 12:57.45 | petemc | jm_: i would change the display variable in a terminal and whatever i do in it appears on the tv |
| 12:57.46 | Sjimmie | !tell Sjimmie about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 12:57.48 | bn` | _victor_ is a spammer, too |
| 12:57.52 | directhex|work | can != should |
| 12:57.53 | E0x | bn`: yes |
| 12:57.54 | tam | petemc: stupid question: do you just turn your tv on and the screen is displayed on your tv? (thats how my last xorg.conf worked) |
| 12:57.55 | ricky_clarkson | !ops _victor_ is an on-join spammer, and so is Ping |
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| 12:57.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: _victor_ is an on-join spammer, and so is Ping |
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| 12:58.16 | petemc | tam: not with that config |
| 12:58.22 | jm_ | petemc: yes, I wanted to test this one day, but I use tv-out so rarely I can never be bothered configuring tvinview properly, but I see it's really easy |
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| 12:58.25 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, if you go down that route, then fine, but no more support from me. i've given you an easy solution, take it or leave it |
| 12:58.28 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: i want my graphic card to work properly.. no way without proprietary driver |
| 12:58.36 | tuxipuxi | ok |
| 12:58.45 | RichiH | RichiH: got it |
| 12:58.51 | ricky_clarkson | ricky_clarkson: Me too. |
| 12:58.58 | petemc | jm_: i havent used it since i modded my xbox :) |
| 12:59.01 | tam | jm_: i have a twinview config of somesort if you want to see it? i'll have to setup my webserver though as this is a new installation |
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| 12:59.17 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, just, for the love of god, don't use anything from nvidia.com |
| 12:59.42 | RichiH | klining is slow, today |
| 12:59.43 | jm_ | tam: naah, the README explains it nicely, I just wasn't sure of some details, but thanks anyway |
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| 13:00.22 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.36 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: why?! |
| 13:00.50 | RichiH | petemc: bleh :( |
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| 13:00.59 | petemc | thats the spirit :) |
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| 13:01.07 | MaximusBr | @stew 'apt-cache policy zlib1g' gives a very long list of finding errors !!! |
| 13:01.09 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, it's a first class ticket to systemfuck. |
| 13:01.17 | directhex|work | !tell tuxipuxi about nvidia-installer |
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| 13:01.56 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: never had such problems, their driver worked fine after kernel and X upgrades |
| 13:02.12 | drac | MaximusBr: Still talking about that? Why don't you fix your sources.list or get the package from packages.debian.org? |
| 13:02.14 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: my board and card won't work properly without their drivers, so no way to avoid it |
| 13:02.38 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: klined |
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| 13:02.56 | MaximusBr | @drac i think my sources.list is ok... plz tell me your sources.list then... so I can fix it :) |
| 13:02.57 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, you seem confused. there are debian packages of the nvidia closed-source binary drivers |
| 13:02.58 | ravenbird | MaximusBr: okay |
| 13:03.00 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: sehr gut. |
| 13:03.18 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: indeed |
| 13:03.34 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: you might want to join #freenode to report. i need to leave soon |
| 13:03.35 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, debian packages are tracked by dpkg and apt-get. nvidia-installer overwrites files left, right and center, and things start to go bad a ssoon as any of those overwritten files aren't in their original expected state |
| 13:03.51 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: if you do so now, i can voice you before leaving |
| 13:03.59 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, i have two machines at home with the latest nvidia drivers, done without visiting nvidia.com or running any 15mb .sh files |
| 13:04.28 | tam | directhex|work: the debian drivers? |
| 13:04.30 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: ohh, the ones in non-free are the official drivers? thought they were cheap free software clones |
| 13:04.49 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, erm, no, why would free software be in non-free? |
| 13:04.51 | MaximusBr | @drac plz post your sources.list then :) |
| 13:05.02 | drac | MaximusBr: my lists don't have anything to do with your lists. 'man sources.list' |
| 13:05.04 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: uhm.. yes :) |
| 13:05.14 | directhex|work | tam, the Nvidia unified linux drivers, version 66.93 or somesuch |
| 13:05.18 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: is nforce in there too? |
| 13:05.19 | drac | and stop using @ in front of everything you say, you are abusing bots. |
| 13:05.25 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Report what? You k-lined them. |
| 13:05.39 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: there were quite a few of the same bots, lately, it seems |
| 13:05.48 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, not sure. does it matter, though? nvsound is well known to be highly unstable, and nvnet is irrelevant since (free) forcedeth works |
| 13:05.51 | CyzarX | hello all, after i enter "route add default gw 192.168.0.1" in terminal as a root. the enter exist, but after a few seconds, the entry lost. why? |
| 13:05.55 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I'm there. +v |
| 13:05.58 | ricky_clarkson | please |
| 13:06.12 | E0x | hey , read that : i have a old thinkpad 570 , i install sarge using the floppy/netinstall because i dont have cdrom in that laptop , so the install was fine , a bit long but fine when i make the first boot in the installed system dont work , i google a bit i fine was a initrd image corrupt i use the samen floppy for chroot and make mkinirtd -o image /lib/modules/blablalba , and remake the initrd image , reboot the machine and work ( network card: net |
| 13:06.19 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: hm ok. will give nvidia-glx a try |
| 13:06.52 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, follow the procedure dpkg told you. non-free sources, sid and sarge both set up (unless you're already on sid only, whihc you shouldn't be), then the one-line installation |
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| 13:07.16 | directhex|work | tuxipuxi, if module-assistant says it can't find kernel headers, you need a new kernel. apt-cache search kernel-image to see what's on offer |
| 13:07.41 | MaximusBr | @anyone can you plz post your sources.list file, im a littl bit confused what is good or bad... thnx |
| 13:07.42 | ravenbird | MaximusBr: de quoi tu parles? |
| 13:07.48 | MaximusBr | ? |
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| 13:08.03 | drac | MaximusBr: stop abusing bots, and read 'man sources.list'! |
| 13:08.09 | tuxipuxi | directhex|work: i'm on sid only |
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| 13:08.18 | Phated | Or just run apt-setup. |
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| 13:09.25 | asuffield | or better yet, go away |
| 13:09.34 | useruser | MaximusBr: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 13:09.51 | Phated | asuffield: Heh. |
| 13:09.58 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 13:10.03 | MaximusBr | k |
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| 13:10.10 | ricky_clarkson | MaximusBr: Don't start your lines with "@". simonrvn's silly bot will respond to you, talking rubbish if you do. |
| 13:10.12 | scarynetworkguy | !k |
| 13:10.12 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 13:10.50 | useruser | zero killed? what kind of craptastic nonsense is that? |
| 13:10.52 | petemc | k stands for zero killed? according to who? |
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| 13:11.08 | petemc | if anything, it means 1000 |
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| 13:11.25 | Phated | According to more than one source. And it's "OK" that stands for zero killed, anyway. |
| 13:11.30 | nekrataal | hello |
| 13:11.40 | nekrataal | i have a trouble... |
| 13:11.45 | petemc | Phated: ahh, makes more sense |
| 13:12.18 | directhex|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ok, under 'other uses' |
| 13:12.37 | petemc | what kind of context would you be using it in i wonder |
| 13:12.45 | nekrataal | i have two sound cards installed, but one is integrated to the motherboard and its screwed up, the other one is a PCI sound card, but i dont know how to tell debian to use the pci one...can anyone help me?, im on debian sarge |
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| 13:12.57 | Phated | petemc: One of the world wars, I believe. |
| 13:12.58 | petemc | who kills so many people they need an acronym for having killed none |
| 13:13.07 | useruser | directhex|work: the bit where it says that zero killed is "surely apochyphal", you mean? |
| 13:13.09 | directhex|work | petemc, americans |
| 13:13.14 | Phated | petemc: And don't prod further, I'm bound to start getting historically inaccurate. |
| 13:13.19 | useruser | should be an r in there somewhere... |
| 13:13.21 | Phated | :) |
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| 13:13.34 | directhex|work | useruser, fix, don't bitch. |
| 13:13.35 | kalag | nekrataal, disable the on board in the bios |
| 13:13.38 | petemc | Phated: im being jocular |
| 13:13.38 | scarynetworkguy | heh. |
| 13:13.47 | Phated | :) |
| 13:14.00 | nekrataal | kalag, ok thanks |
| 13:14.00 | Goetmet | I'm setting up a server.. is it a good idea to partitionate the hard disk? (one partition for /var, other for /usr, etc) |
| 13:14.01 | Goetmet | ?? |
| 13:14.16 | useruser | directhex|work: wp has it right, i didn't :) |
| 13:14.18 | Goetmet | if so, why is good to have it partitionate? |
| 13:14.24 | E0x | any advice about my problem ? |
| 13:14.32 | nekrataal | the kernel modules will be auto-removed?, or i have to it manually? |
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| 13:15.22 | directhex|work | Goetmet, if someone fills $partition1 it doesn't break things that need space elsewhere since they're on $partition2. you can also be safer against data loss |
| 13:15.23 | nekrataal | im using a 2.6.7-1-386 linux kernel.. |
| 13:15.51 | kalag | Goetmet, and you can also set different mount options per partition |
| 13:16.21 | Goetmet | uhmm |
| 13:16.55 | Goetmet | so it's generally a good idea |
| 13:17.19 | Goetmet | do I need to reinstall linux to do the partition? |
| 13:18.06 | Goetmet | My system is installed on 1 partition.. if I want to partition it , do I need to reinstall linux? |
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| 13:19.09 | mathieu_ | Goetmet, some filesystems allow to be resized |
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| 13:21.41 | clown | lo |
| 13:21.50 | Goetmet | mathieu_ ext2 is one of them? |
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| 13:21.55 | Goetmet | sorry, ext3 |
| 13:22.03 | Goetmet | ext3 is one of them? |
| 13:22.06 | stew | Goetmet: you can try gnu parted |
| 13:22.18 | clown | is there an easy switch to apt to rm the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives when apt-get install-ed? |
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| 13:22.39 | Goetmet | stew : you want I "try" to partition my disk and maybe losing all the data? |
| 13:22.46 | Goetmet | i need to know if ext3 allow to be resized |
| 13:23.03 | stew | Goetmet: ext3 doens't allow resizing, and repartiitoning you will lose all your data |
| 13:23.21 | stew | Goetmet: you have to use gnu parted / partition magic, or start fresh |
| 13:24.02 | stew | clown: apt-get clean will clean that directory completely |
| 13:24.05 | clown | stew, I know, but I'd only like to rm the .deb I just installed... |
| 13:24.05 | olecom | xchat: do it talk on locale inside channels (join, part) ? my 2.4.1 doesn't |
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| 13:24.13 | mathieu_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:24.34 | mathieu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.34 | mathieu_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:24.50 | mathieu_ | gparted will probably use that |
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| 13:25.19 | jetscreamer | just buy a new hd |
| 13:25.41 | Goetmet | thank you mathieu_ |
| 13:26.13 | sussudio | greycat: FreeSTyLe is obviously also a spambot, but it's just sitting there. maybe it's the botmaster |
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| 13:26.32 | greycat | well, I can't very well kickban someone for just idling |
| 13:26.52 | Phated | Someons suggested we remove idlers earlier today, IIRC. |
| 13:27.05 | sussudio | i think it sends the spam to random people instead of on-join |
| 13:27.16 | sussudio | there was one like that in here yesterday too |
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| 13:28.10 | ricky_clarkson | Well, all it takes is for somebody believable to be spammed, or an op, and you'll remove it, right, greycat? |
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| 13:29.12 | sussudio | hmm. |
| 13:29.31 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: at the moment, my criterion is that *I* have to be spammed... |
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| 13:30.08 | ricky_clarkson | FreeSTyLe: greycat wants spam! I'd feed a cat milk, but if he wants spam, you're the man, apparently. |
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| 13:30.43 | VoX | anyone able to help with an xplanet issue? it doesnt seem to accept my latitude/longitude coordinates |
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| 13:32.40 | nekrataal | hello there |
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| 13:32.56 | nekrataal | i have a problem with my sound card... |
| 13:33.21 | sussudio | i have a problem with people coming in here saying "i have a problem with my sound card..." |
| 13:33.22 | greycat | !wikifaq nekrataal UseSoundCard |
| 13:33.23 | dpkg | nekrataal: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 13:33.33 | timo | VoX, what kind of command line are you using? |
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| 13:33.51 | Lightning|Zzzz | who will attend the debian mini conference at beijing? |
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| 13:34.06 | nekrataal | i was here before and i was told to disable the on board sound card that is screwed up, and i did so, but how can i setup the PCI one.. ??aumix still shows two sound cards..how can i use only the good one? |
| 13:34.20 | VoX | timo: i'm using KDE so it's being invoked from desktop configuration |
| 13:34.26 | katja_ | hi... i'm running a HD installed version of knoppix and i'm having some sound issues... my onboard soundcard is a NeoMagic NM200 [MagicMedia 256AV] (the kind that has settings in the BIOS)... i've been looking around online and people suggest using the ad1848 or cs4232 driver.. only problem is knoppix does so much ""helpfull"" autodetection that it ignores entries added to modules.conf and decides to try and use the nm256 driver anyways.. |
| 13:34.26 | katja_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.34 | greycat | nekrataal: ALSA? OSS? what debian version? what kernel? what cards? |
| 13:34.49 | greycat | !tell katja_ about knoppix |
| 13:35.02 | VoX | but when KDE is calling it, it uses: xplanet --geometry %xx%y --num_times 1 --output %f.jpg && mv %f.jpg %f |
| 13:35.06 | MattF | Is it possible to change the default web browser? whenever I click a link in amsn it opens up gay mozilla |
| 13:35.18 | sussudio | !tell MattF about gay |
| 13:35.27 | mooded | !tell mooded about knoppix |
| 13:35.32 | Phated | Why would you install it if it were gay? |
| 13:35.36 | greycat | I didn't know mozilla had a sex life at all. |
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| 13:35.45 | timo | VoX, well I don't know how to change that from within KDE, but it needs the -longitude and -latitude switches, also |
| 13:35.45 | jm_ | Phated: because he's homosexual ;) |
| 13:35.59 | Phated | Ah. Why would he be complaining about it being opened then? |
| 13:36.04 | katja_ | oh thanks :) |
| 13:36.10 | Phated | greycat: It is a sexay beast. |
| 13:36.13 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Too graphic ;( |
| 13:36.22 | VoX | timo: yeah, i tried adding them(i know how to change it), but when i did it refused to work anymore |
| 13:36.28 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Sowwy. |
| 13:36.34 | timo | VoX, what happened then? |
| 13:36.37 | greycat | Phated: he's probably one of those self-denying closet homosexuals who zealously persecute other homosexuals. |
| 13:36.47 | timo | VoX, does it work if you enter the command manually? |
| 13:36.48 | VoX | it crashed |
| 13:36.52 | VoX | nope |
| 13:36.52 | Phated | greycat: Ah. |
| 13:36.59 | timo | hm |
| 13:37.05 | VoX | with kde it has to be started /by/ kde itself |
| 13:37.27 | greycat | ooh, we scared Fieldy. |
| 13:37.34 | nekrataal | geycat: cards: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)---thats the good one, VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)---screwed one,debian version Testing, kernel: 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 13:37.43 | nekrataal | oss |
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| 13:38.01 | greycat | nekrataal: hmm... well, probably the *simplest* solution would be to blacklist the via82cxxx_audio driver |
| 13:38.04 | greycat | nekrataal: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 13:38.13 | Kog | hahaha, I had fun getting my Via to work the other day |
| 13:38.15 | timo | VoX, xplanet crashes if you run the command manually? |
| 13:38.36 | VoX | timo: no, xplanet crashes if i add -latitude/-longitude |
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| 13:38.44 | timo | VoX, that's what I mean |
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| 13:39.00 | VoX | timo if i run it from bash it doesnt do anything.. doesnt load |
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| 13:39.12 | nekrataal | greycat: thanks, ill try it out |
| 13:39.23 | timo | VoX, run "xplanet --geometry 800x600 --num_times 1 --output foo.jpg --longitude 20 --latitude 20" and see if there's anything in foo.jpg |
| 13:39.52 | VoX | should i use one "-" or two when specifying lat/long? |
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| 13:40.24 | timo | VoX, doesn't seem to matter |
| 13:40.42 | nekrataal | greycat: "skip foo" means foo is the thing i dont want to load? |
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| 13:40.57 | MattF | Is it possible to change the default web browser? whenever I click a link in amsn it opens up mozilla |
| 13:40.58 | greycat | nekrataal: of course |
| 13:41.03 | MattF | better? |
| 13:41.09 | ireverentReveren | i recently added a promise controller and a hdd. When booting i was getting errors, and was advised to enable scsi emulation. Now that i have done so, i no longer get errors, but i don't see either a new /dev/sd OR a new /dev/hd.... Anything i need to do to make these things show up? |
| 13:41.11 | greycat | you're still running *amsn*. |
| 13:41.18 | greycat | so it can't be better, but it might be less evil. |
| 13:41.18 | CarlosAlex | Is it possible to install a softmodem in debian sarge?? |
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| 13:41.31 | greycat | CarlosAlex: /msg dpkg linmodem |
| 13:41.44 | MattF | greycat, what's an alternative to amsn? |
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| 13:42.02 | MattF | w00t |
| 13:42.04 | MattF | \\o |
| 13:42.05 | MattF | o// |
| 13:42.08 | MattF | \o/ |
| 13:42.12 | MobyTurbo | MattF: gaim |
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| 13:42.17 | MattF | bah |
| 13:42.30 | idnar | there's bitlbee :P |
| 13:42.39 | mcv | hi. |
| 13:42.41 | idnar | well, bitlbee + your favourite IRC client |
| 13:42.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You could suggest that anyone affected sets /umode +E |
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| 13:44.09 | tuxipuxi | wtf? df -h says there are 330MB in use on /dev/sda6, the size is 195GB and 185GB are available?! |
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| 13:44.44 | sKaBoy | tuxipuxi, 5% is for root (you can change it in mkfs) |
| 13:44.49 | Phated | Space reserved for superuser? |
| 13:45.11 | tuxipuxi | sKaBoy: can i change it without deleting the data on it? |
| 13:45.24 | bender-RW- | tuxipuxi: tune2fs, but you dont want to |
| 13:45.30 | greycat | tuxipuxi: show us the *actual* output of df -h /thefilesystemthatdevsda6ismountedas |
| 13:45.46 | VoX | timo: nup, as soon as i add it to the commandline, the whole thing dissapears from the background |
| 13:46.07 | greycat | Oh, interesting. You *can* specify the device instead of the mount point. |
| 13:46.13 | olecom | [xchat]: does xchat talk on locale's language inside channels (join, part messages) ? my 2.4.1 doesn't, maybe someone is using it eather and may tell me ? |
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| 13:46.16 | greycat | tuxipuxi: show us the *actual* output of df -h /dev/sda6 |
| 13:46.57 | tuxipuxi | http://tuxipuxi.org/files/the_output |
| 13:47.19 | tuxipuxi | bender-RW-: I don't want to? isn't that an extreme waste of disk space? |
| 13:47.37 | greycat | you used a web site for *two lines*?> |
| 13:47.40 | greycat | sheesh. |
| 13:47.40 | Phated | It's onlt 5 percent, FFS. |
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| 13:47.56 | greycat | GAH. You didn't type the command I said to type -- that's why it's 4 lines. |
| 13:47.56 | tuxipuxi | greycat: i'm on the command line on that machine |
| 13:47.58 | bender-RW- | tuxipuxi: the point is that if you start coming anywhere near 95% full the performance will decay very much |
| 13:48.05 | greycat | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 13:48.06 | greycat | /dev/sda6 195G 350M 185G 1% /home |
| 13:48.17 | greycat | There. That looks perfectly normal to me. |
| 13:48.41 | clarence | I am using tightvnc to try to play a 3D game. What kind of tricks will I have to pull to get XRender to work on my tightvnc Display? |
| 13:48.42 | bender-RW- | tuxipuxi: and reserving the 5 percent can save you trouble if a runaway process fills the disk (for whatever reasons) |
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| 13:49.09 | timo | VoX, no, run that from bash |
| 13:49.18 | kreze1 | I think my Courier fonts are corrupted. Any website that I go to that uses "Courier" as its font selection ends up having invisible fonts, and all the roman letters in Charecter Map also show up as blank. Is this a common problem with a known solution? Any ideas? |
| 13:49.25 | tuxipuxi | bender-RW-: but it's nearly 10GB which i can't use :/ |
| 13:49.32 | greycat | tuxipuxi: man tune2fs |
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| 13:50.04 | bender-RW- | tuxipuxi: it's still only 5% and once you get there fragmentation will make your filesystem unuseably slow |
| 13:50.12 | cahoot | I'm using boa as httpd - some (simple photo) pages triggers this error: 'Sendfile write: Value too large for data type' - google hasn't been very helpful - what might be the cause of this? |
| 13:50.13 | VoX | timo: running from bash wont invoke xplanet |
| 13:50.20 | bender-RW- | tuxipuxi: but if you insist, change it, i won't stop you :) |
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| 13:50.44 | tuxipuxi | well ok thanks |
| 13:50.54 | timo | VoX, nevermind |
| 13:51.07 | Phated | One hardly sees why you're whining about 10 gigs when you have 185 of them free yet. |
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| 13:51.35 | bender-RW- | it's probably a warm-and-fuzzy-feeling thing ;-) |
| 13:51.59 | zeier | I have a directory full of zip-files. I'd like to extract them all to one dir. But using "unzip *.zip" AND "find -name "*.zip" | xargs unzip" both return "caution: filename not matched <filename>". What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:52.06 | scarynetworkguy | In particular since if things go south that 10 gig can save your ass. |
| 13:52.15 | stew | zeier: unzip \*.zip |
| 13:52.35 | zeier | why does the find thing not work? |
| 13:52.57 | CAiRO | maybe because unzip is really fucked up if you have to use \*.zip |
| 13:53.00 | stew | zeier: because any arg after the second to unzip is a file to extract from the zip, not another zip |
| 13:53.07 | stew | CAiRO: not at all |
| 13:53.14 | stew | err s/second/first/ |
| 13:53.15 | solee | Can i install sarge or sid packages in woody? |
| 13:53.22 | zeier | I thought find woulkd return one file after another |
| 13:53.25 | scarynetworkguy | !bobbit |
| 13:53.31 | stew | solee: you can but its a very bad idea |
| 13:53.34 | stew | !bobbitt |
| 13:53.34 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 13:53.43 | zeier | so that the extraction process is executed for every file-. |
| 13:53.43 | CAiRO | stew: sure, it's ok if you have to escape * which you can use in about any other cmd line program |
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| 13:53.51 | CAiRO | without escaping if of course |
| 13:54.00 | stew | CAiRO: you don't understand how shell globbing works then |
| 13:54.07 | solee | aha.. |
| 13:54.11 | greycat | CAiRO: try this command: echo *.zip |
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| 13:54.19 | greycat | CAiRO: now try THIS command: echo \*.zip |
| 13:54.39 | bender-RW- | solee: you may have more luck with packages from www.backports.org |
| 13:54.50 | solee | ok. |
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| 13:54.55 | bender-RW- | solee: but those are use at your own risk |
| 13:55.00 | stew | zeier: find . -exec unzip {} \; should work but find .| xargs unzip wouldnt, but find . | xargs -n1 would work |
| 13:55.03 | CAiRO | greycat: i know the difference, now try gunzip *.gz and it will work |
| 13:55.17 | CAiRO | and it will do what i expect, extract all .gz files |
| 13:55.29 | greycat | CAiRO: because "gunzip foo.gz bar.gz baz.gz" has a semantically meaningful interpretation that matches your intuition. |
| 13:55.30 | stew | CAiRO: man gunzip ; man unzip; the second arg is treated differently |
| 13:55.44 | greycat | CAiRO: but "unzip foo.zip bar.zip baz.zip" means "extract the files bar.zip and baz.zip from the zipfile foo.zip" |
| 13:55.46 | CAiRO | yeah, as i said, unzip seems really fucked up |
| 13:55.53 | greycat | CAiRO: what you want is this: for i in *.zip; do unzip "$i"; done |
| 13:56.03 | CAiRO | hehe, no i don't want that |
| 13:56.03 | elirips | a question about the names of harddisk: is it true that hda = primary master; hdb = primary slave; hdc = secondary master; hdd = secondary slave? |
| 13:56.12 | directhex|work | elirips, yes. |
| 13:56.23 | elirips | directhex|work: thanks |
| 13:56.26 | CAiRO | what i would want is an unzip that works similar to all other command line programs where you don't have to escape * |
| 13:56.44 | greycat | CAiRO: you mean like tar? Oh wait, that one works just like unzip. |
| 13:56.58 | greycat | CAiRO: it's YOU who are broken, not unzip(1). |
| 13:57.03 | elirips | directhex|work: so if let's say primary slave is not atached, i only got hda, hdc and hdd? |
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| 13:57.25 | CAiRO | greycat: no, tar will work with unescaped * as well (i'm aware the shell replaces * with file names) |
| 13:57.25 | stew | CAiRO: write your own unzip then or write your own wrapper |
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| 13:57.25 | paulswm | tuxipuxi: You don't need 10GB reserved, if you are using ext2/3 you can specify -m1 with mke2fs or tune2fs to reserve 1% which is still a gig and plenty, you can also specify -Osparse_super which limits the number of backup superblocks on large filesystems, man mke2fs and tune2fs |
| 13:57.43 | paulswm | 2 gigs, I mean |
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| 13:57.49 | kahless | hi :) |
| 13:57.51 | directhex|work | elirips, indeed |
| 13:57.57 | CAiRO | stew: i don't have to, there're enough wrappers available in/on debian |
| 13:58.01 | greycat | CAiRO: you're dead wrong about tar. Try "tar xvf *.tar" in a dir with two tarballs if you don't believe me. |
| 13:58.07 | elirips | directhex|work: thanks ,everything clear for me now. |
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| 13:58.29 | stew | CAiRO: so then whats the problem? |
| 13:58.30 | directhex|work | elirips, the device nodes will still exist, unless you use udev, but the actual devices work as you described |
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| 13:59.06 | CAiRO | stew: i didn't say it was a problem to me, i just mentioned unzip was fucked up :) |
| 13:59.09 | greycat | there is no sane archiver that's going to look at the command line "tar xvf foo.tar bar.tar" and check to see whether bar.tar already exists and is a tar(1) format archive to decide whether to treat it as a filename to extract from foo.tar, or a separate tarball to extract as if you had passed a separate tar xvf command. |
| 13:59.22 | zigo- | Hi ! I'm searching for someone to upload this to Debian repository: http://www.gplhost.com/?rub=softwares&sousrub=mysqmail please MSG me in private if you are registred in Debian team and wish to review this (small) package. |
| 13:59.25 | greycat | CAiRO: it's NOT fucked up. YOU are. |
| 13:59.40 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
| 13:59.47 | jpdp | I have an iptables firewall set up (experimental behind another wall for now). It can see the outside world and the inside world. net/ipv4/ip_forward=1, and I have mangle, net, and filter tables all empty and on ACCEPT for the test environment, gatewaying to the existing firewall for the outside world during the test. While it can see the outside and inside worlds, no system I assign this system as the gateway to can see beyond this system. What step am |
| 13:59.47 | stew | CAiRO: you said its fucked up that it can't handle a * on the command line, but it clearly can since unzip \*.zip works |
| 13:59.48 | Phated | See now greycat's capsing. <sigh> Break out the tranqs. |
| 14:00.01 | kahless | cdimage.debian.org seems down for me, how/where can i dowload sarge isos? |
| 14:00.02 | fabietto | Hi at all. I've got some problems with DriverLoader... :( I use Debian Sarge (kernel 2.4.27) and I succesfully installed my wireless pcmcia adapter (D-Link DWL-G630) through DriverLoader. I can see my card (installed as eth1) when i launch "iwconfig" and i'm able to assign an ip address to it with a command like "ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.105". Anyway, when i try to do a scan ("iwlist eth1 scan"), i get an error message saying: "eth1 Fai |
| 14:00.24 | directhex|work | fabietto, isnm't driverloader some proprietary closed-source copy of ndiswrapper? |
| 14:00.53 | CAiRO | greycat: ok, you're right, tar also doesn't seem to work nicely, pretty insane.. fortunately, nowadays usually you don't use tar alone |
| 14:01.05 | fabietto | directhex|work: yes, it is... but i tried acx11x and ndiswrapper, without success |
| 14:01.05 | greycat | !pal CAiRO |
| 14:01.15 | directhex|work | greycat, i bought some wireless cards with GPL'd drivers on the supplied cd... |
| 14:01.15 | zeier | thanks for your help... now it works |
| 14:01.15 | PerfDave | greycat: I remember why I check that my wireless hardware is supported by Linux before buying it ;) |
| 14:01.18 | greycat | that's precious. "you don't use tar alone". Good lord. |
| 14:01.27 | CAiRO | stew: well, if unzip can't unzip 2 zip files at the same time, i'd consider it fucked up |
| 14:01.44 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: Why? |
| 14:01.44 | Phated | It can, can't it, when you do \*.zip. :/ |
| 14:01.49 | jpdp | I've never had this issue with iptables before, but for some reason it's not forwarding packets anywhere |
| 14:01.52 | PerfDave | CAiRO: It can unzip 2 files at the same time. |
| 14:01.56 | paulswm | directhex|work: you are correct I think, and it's unneccessary, I tried to help yesterday, staying out of it today |
| 14:02.18 | greycat | PerfDave: I think he's beyond hope at this point. He clearly has no CLUE about unix. |
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| 14:02.26 | greycat | he thinks everything should work like windows. |
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| 14:02.40 | ricky_clarkson | Not even Windows should work like Windows. |
| 14:02.48 | greycat | for small values of "works" |
| 14:03.00 | asuffield | windows doesn't have any command-line interfaces that don't suck the grand goat |
| 14:03.10 | jpdp | I'm sure there's some simple (ish) step I'm missing |
| 14:03.17 | ricky_clarkson | cmd.exe is not too bad nowadays. |
| 14:03.20 | greycat | asuffield: but... but... every program should have to do its own wildcard globbing!! |
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| 14:03.33 | vchrizz | uhm, im looking for a package that is some kind of irc-icq(or other im) gateway ... does someone know? |
| 14:03.45 | fabietto | paulswm: yesterday i had problems with ndiswrapper kernel module, now resolved... my problem is now about the wireless card configuration |
| 14:03.47 | ricky_clarkson | Tab completion and command history without having to edit the registry. It's ok. |
| 14:03.51 | daww | How can i copy "/backup/bookmarks.html" to all subdirectories in "/home/x/.mozilla/default/"? |
| 14:04.09 | PerfDave | greycat: I think he has no clue about anything. |
| 14:04.10 | greycat | daww: find /home/x/.mozilla/default -type d -print | while read d; do cp whatever "$d"; done |
| 14:04.12 | jonathaN | vchrizz: bitlbee |
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| 14:04.33 | jpdp | If ip_forward=1 and all iptables tables are empty and on ACCEPT, and the wall itself can see inside and outside, what could be going wrong? |
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| 14:05.07 | greycat | daww: you could also use -exec to be slightly safer |
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| 14:05.22 | bender-RW- | jpdp: the clients may be mis-configured (just guessing) |
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| 14:05.37 | ricky_clarkson | jpdp: The Internet is wrong, possibly. ;) |
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| 14:06.09 | jpdp | bender-RW-: The client is configured to this box as the gateway (and can see it, and it can see the client), and pointing to this box for DNS (though that's irrelevant as I'm trying straight IPs first.) |
| 14:06.20 | jpdp | ricky_clarkson: Heh |
| 14:06.41 | fabietto | i'm now using ndiswrapper, but i can't anyway connect to my ap... :( |
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| 14:06.49 | jpdp | ricky_clarkson: It's the strangest issue..ACCEPT iptables, ip_forward=1....how can it be wrong? :) |
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| 14:07.07 | bender-RW- | jpdp: start digging, insert -j LOG lines, run tcpdump etc. |
| 14:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.38 | jpdp | bender-RW-: yeah... |
| 14:07.43 | asuffield | jpdp: probably because the internal boxes aren't externally routable |
| 14:07.44 | CAiRO | hehe, some guys in this channel are really funny.. just because i expect programs to accept several files to work on, you claim i expect everything to be like on windows, i have no clue about nix and i'm fucked up and such stuff.. nice logic :) |
| 14:08.05 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: unzip does accept multiple files. |
| 14:08.12 | jpdp | bender-RW-: To where does LOG log to? |
| 14:08.16 | CAiRO | but you can't do unzip a.zip b.zip |
| 14:08.22 | Ungy | what is the commmand to reconfigure X |
| 14:08.26 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 14:08.34 | greycat | I refuse to give him any more of my precious mind. |
| 14:08.36 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx Ungy |
| 14:08.36 | dpkg | Ungy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 14:08.39 | greycat | he's already got me mad enough. |
| 14:08.48 | CAiRO | lol, with this shit? i can get you mad? |
| 14:08.49 | Ungy | thanks |
| 14:08.51 | daww | greycat, the dir I want to copy "/backup/bookmarks.html" to/from is to a random profile dir as you know. ex: "/home/x/.mozilla/default/tl8n38hy.slt" and "/home/x/.mozilla/default/jfoac30s.slt" |
| 14:08.52 | CAiRO | funny :) |
| 14:08.53 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: The point is though, even if it didn't, that wouldn't be broken, because it would be perfectly valid to do it on two lines. |
| 14:08.55 | raghu | Ungy: xf86config |
| 14:09.07 | bender-RW- | jpdp: /var/log/kern.log |
| 14:09.13 | greycat | daww: and how was my example inadequate or flawed? |
| 14:09.24 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: i didn't say it was borken, i just said it was fucked up |
| 14:09.37 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: Whatever. It isn't fucked up. |
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| 14:10.18 | CAiRO | well, everybody is free to think whatever they want about unzip, i still consider it fucked up as any other program where i can't do program file1 file2... |
| 14:10.19 | daww | greycat, I try it |
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| 14:10.37 | nakee | how can I change the localtion of ld.so.cache file? |
| 14:10.42 | nakee | location even |
| 14:10.54 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: Why? |
| 14:11.26 | stew | nakee: why would you want to? |
| 14:11.29 | paulswm | fabietto: Just a nitpicking standards thing first: you should prolly call the interface wlan0 as it's a wireless, not an ethernet interface, secondly as I asked you yesterday without response, what does your "wireless_essid" say |
| 14:11.40 | PerfDave | CAiRO: That's because "unzip file1 file2" has a different, documented, more useful meaning. But you're clearly stupid. |
| 14:11.45 | MobyTurbo | CAiRO: it's simple to just use "find" for such a program |
| 14:11.50 | stew | i can't belive we are still talking about this |
| 14:11.57 | grin | hello, anyone could check me an openoffice.org 1.1.3 (in unstable) thingie? I am not sure it's a local problem or a bug in the package |
| 14:12.02 | grin | new >> new document, and see whether "insert >> section" is grayed out or not. for me it is, and it shouldn't be. |
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| 14:12.09 | paulswm | fabietto: "wireless_essid" line in /etc/network/interfaces that is |
| 14:12.11 | SeRGiNaToR | hi people |
| 14:12.15 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: well, how many times do you want to extract single files from a .zip archive and how many times do you want to extract several .zip files? |
| 14:12.16 | jm_ | surprisingly, tar x has the same behaviour ;) |
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| 14:12.28 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: and why does unzip work the way that everybody uses less? |
| 14:12.33 | nakee | stew long story related to diskless computer nfs root and chroots |
| 14:12.39 | adjacent | CAiRO: for i in `ls *.zip`;do unzip $i; done;? |
| 14:12.39 | Phated | jm_: According to him, that means tar is fucked up too. |
| 14:12.45 | fabietto | but... doing "iwconfig wlan0 ap 00:11:95:07:C8:82" should i see this address setted in the "Access Point" section of iwconfig, right? why i always see "Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00"? |
| 14:12.46 | jm_ | Phated: no doubt |
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| 14:12.48 | greycat | adjacent: NO. for i in *.zip; do unzip "$i"; done |
| 14:12.52 | PerfDave | CAiRO: I'm more likely to extract a signle file than to extract several zips, and there's an EASY way to extract several zip files. |
| 14:12.52 | asg | grin: have you asked in #debian-oo yet? |
| 14:12.57 | greycat | adjacent: yours breaks twice. |
| 14:13.07 | grin | asg: I wasn't aware of its existence util now |
| 14:13.07 | nakee | stew is there a way to do it? |
| 14:13.13 | adjacent | greycat: heh. yeh, xchat doest check syntax for me ;) |
| 14:13.23 | CAiRO | PerfDave: lol, where the hell do you live? it's for sure more likely to extract several zip files |
| 14:13.24 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: I haven't counted. I rarely do either. |
| 14:13.29 | adjacent | good eye |
| 14:13.30 | asuffield | and you never use ls in `` anyway, that should have been `echo *.zip` |
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| 14:13.53 | stew | nakee: i don't know. can you use a symlink? |
| 14:13.54 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: well, i believt it is _much_ more common to extract several zip files from your download folder |
| 14:14.04 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: I believe I've never done that. |
| 14:14.05 | paulswm | Or just "for i in *.zip" |
| 14:14.06 | SeRGiNaToR | I have one problem with Debian Sarge, and I can't find any way to fix it :'( |
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| 14:14.15 | nakee | stew no it creates the ld.so.cache over the sym link instead of following it |
| 14:14.24 | PerfDave | SeRGiNaToR: /msg dpkg smart questions |
| 14:14.26 | greycat | asuffield: also broken. just "for i in *.zip" is all that's wanted, and is the only one that works properly. |
| 14:14.32 | fabietto | same thing happen when i try "iwconfig essid FabiettoHouse"... the next run of iwconfig show me "ESSID: off/any" |
| 14:14.35 | adjacent | just proving that its easy to make zip unzip multiple files at once, wasnt a bash script how-to ;) |
| 14:14.37 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Ok, it's definitely getting the nat requests...now how do I find out where it's losing them? |
| 14:14.46 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: I check each zip, in case the creator didn't put everything in a directory inside it (I don't want to mix the contents of two zip files). |
| 14:14.46 | clarence | is there any kind of vnc-ish server for linux that will show me an existing (rendered on my monitor) desktop remotely? |
| 14:14.53 | sep | x11vnc |
| 14:15.14 | valdyn_ | clarence: vino |
| 14:15.18 | asg | fabietto: try iwconfig <interface> key open <key> |
| 14:15.18 | jm_ | xlare;apt-cache search rfb |
| 14:15.21 | jm_ | clarence: apt-cache search rfb |
| 14:15.23 | asuffield | greycat: that's specific to the case where you're using something like 'for', though |
| 14:15.33 | fabietto | asg: i haven't got any key :( |
| 14:15.37 | asuffield | you can't always replace backticks with inline expansion |
| 14:15.43 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: yes, i have scripts for this stuff too, but in this century, people will try to extract several files rather the a certain file from a certain archive |
| 14:15.44 | greycat | asuffield: `echo *.zip` is going to have problems on files with spaces in their names no matter HOW you use it. |
| 14:15.51 | asg | fabietto: does 'iwlist <interface> scan' list your AP? |
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| 14:16.02 | bender-RW- | jpdp: well if you have need for NAT but no rules at all in your tables, how is that supposed to work? |
| 14:16.03 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Unless you pipe it through some fancy sed to stick '' around. |
| 14:16.09 | fabietto | asg: no: "wlan0 no scan results" |
| 14:16.10 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: no, no, no. |
| 14:16.12 | SeRGiNaToR | PerfDave: I know, but my problem is not normal hehe |
| 14:16.24 | CAiRO | at least that's my opinion and experience, you might have others |
| 14:16.25 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: foo -bar -blah -junk --the-other-option *.zip |
| 14:16.35 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: NEVER EVER EVER foo -bar -blah -junk `echo *.zip` |
| 14:16.38 | paulswm | fabietto: I was trying again to help you but you are evidently not listening to me so I am dropping out of this. |
| 14:16.42 | clarence | suggestions include vino, x11vnc, rfb. which is best for high-framerate low-quality graphics? |
| 14:16.57 | asg | fabietto: is your AP broadcasting it's SSID? |
| 14:17.02 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 14:17.04 | no-id | is it possible to run x on a local machine for a remote server ? |
| 14:17.11 | adjacent | if unzip took multiple files you could do unzip --arguments `echo -e *.zip` |
| 14:17.14 | PerfDave | SeRGiNaToR: Nobody can judge whether your question is "not normal" unless you fucking well ask it. |
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| 14:17.16 | greycat | no-id: yes. /msg dpkg sshx |
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| 14:17.23 | fabietto | asg: yes, i can correctly receive the ssid from a windows box... |
| 14:17.28 | adjacent | but it doesnt, so we must loop it |
| 14:17.30 | no-id | greycat: thanks |
| 14:17.30 | asg | fabietto: what system is this? |
| 14:17.40 | sergio | alguien usa zope ? |
| 14:17.45 | greycat | !es |
| 14:17.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:18.22 | sep | clarence: all use vnc protocol, how you configure the client acording to framerate quality will most likeley be the same since that is client config not server config |
| 14:18.23 | fabietto | asg: debian sarge, kernel 2.4.27, ndiswrapper 1.0rc2, routere d-link di-524, wireless adapter d-link dwl-g630 |
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| 14:18.34 | asg | fabietto: what kind of laptop? |
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| 14:18.55 | fabietto | asg: hp pavilion ze4500, with athlon xp-m |
| 14:19.16 | asg | fabietto: hmmm, does ndiswrapper load correctly? |
| 14:19.18 | clarence | sep: im using tightvnc now, it gives me very nice compression options. but it cant do "real" displays :( |
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| 14:19.43 | fabietto | asg: yes, i think... i can see the card... |
| 14:19.44 | clarence | jm_: trying rfb, lack of documentation is no fun :( |
| 14:19.45 | sep | clarence: i use tightvnc with -8bit and compression against x11vnc and it gives me the real display |
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| 14:19.57 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Errr, filter rather...filter forward is being received |
| 14:19.58 | sep | clarence: what client you use to view the vnc is irrelevant actualy |
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| 14:20.00 | elirips | is there a debian-installation floppy-disk available? so i boot from a floppy and the rest is done via internet? |
| 14:20.00 | clarence | sep: what do you mean "against x11vnc"? |
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| 14:20.10 | asg | fabietto: try setting 'iwconfig <interface> mode managed ; iwconfig <interface> essid <ssid>' |
| 14:20.19 | asg | elirips: /msg dpkg ig |
| 14:20.34 | sep | i use tightvnc's vncviewer towards my linux's x11vnc that i start against the running Xsession to see what is actualy on my monitor at work |
| 14:20.50 | fabietto | asg: nothing to do... :( |
| 14:20.53 | clarence | what kinds of compression does the x11vnc server support? |
| 14:20.57 | CAiRO | btw, what's better, have the shell process meta characters like *, ? and so on so you can use the ones and combinations youre used to or if every simple program like unzip has it's own interpretation of * and other meta characters? |
| 14:21.06 | clarence | i was referring to tightvncserver+tightvncviewer |
| 14:21.07 | greycat | elirips: yes. |
| 14:21.20 | asg | fabietto: hmmm, I don't know then. Have you checked tuxmobile.org to see if anyone there has had success with your particular hardware? |
| 14:21.21 | fabietto | paulswm: why do you think that i don't listen you? |
| 14:21.23 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: The former is better. |
| 14:21.24 | sep | clarence: the compression i select at the client side, i'v never configured the x11vnc server in any way but point it at the auth file and the :0 display |
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| 14:21.38 | sep | !x11vnc |
| 14:21.38 | dpkg | somebody said x11vnc was a vnc server for displaying the running x session, or http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 14:21.47 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Now I must figure out where exactly it's getting dropped |
| 14:21.51 | clarence | sep: right, but what compression does it support? the client can ask for jpeg compression all it wants and it wont work if the server cant do it (which 'vnc' cant, and 'tightvnc' can) |
| 14:21.59 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: well, maybe you can now, at least partially, understand my opinion about unzip |
| 14:22.05 | FieldySnuts | tightvnc is considerably better than vnc |
| 14:22.08 | bender-RW- | jpdp: so you have a -j LOG line in the FORWARD chain and it logs packets? i'm not sure what you mean by 'filter forward' |
| 14:22.08 | fabietto | asg: no, i never seen at tuxmobile.org... i searched a lot with google and some people refers successes... |
| 14:22.12 | sep | clarence: check out the url i woudnt know |
| 14:22.15 | elirips | asg: thx |
| 14:22.18 | clarence | yeah, im trying it now |
| 14:22.23 | FieldySnuts | i'm using it right now, i just tunnel it through ssh |
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| 14:22.31 | FieldySnuts | using the -via option |
| 14:22.42 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Correct |
| 14:23.02 | jpdp | bender-RW-: It logs the packets I'm sending from the test client in the filter table FORWARD chain |
| 14:23.07 | FieldySnuts | works great at 15 bit and -compress 9 |
| 14:23.13 | FieldySnuts | re compresslevel whatever |
| 14:23.47 | bender-RW- | jpdp: maybe the firewall behind this one is dropping the packets. can you sniff between that one and this one? |
| 14:23.58 | jpdp | bender-RW-: I think I may understand a bit more what the issue is now...I just added a global ACCEPT and it's working..(why wasn't it doing that with an ACCEPT policy though? Odd... |
| 14:24.01 | paulswm | fabietto: because you don't respond to my questions, but that's OK, asg is helping you out |
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| 14:24.18 | bender-RW- | jpdp: thats strange indeed |
| 14:24.18 | asg | paulswm: did you already go over this once with him? |
| 14:24.23 | sep | clarence: the doc dont mention jpeg, but it does the tight encoding atlest |
| 14:24.24 | Kog | would it be more of a pain in the ass to run the NVIDIA installer for the GeForce cards, or to use a dpkg? |
| 14:24.39 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Yeah, I really need to solve this a bit more...the policy should have handled it... |
| 14:24.47 | fabietto | paulswm: i'm sorry, but i'm not a fluent english speaker... so i probably missed your question! :-/ |
| 14:25.00 | greycat | !wikifaq Kog UseNvidia |
| 14:25.01 | dpkg | Kog: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseNvidia or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:25.08 | jpdp | bender-RW-: As a side question, though, do you know much about setting up a forwarding named, it would make testing a bit easier if I could resolve names. |
| 14:25.11 | PerfDave | !tell Kog -about nvidia-installer |
| 14:25.21 | jpdp | bender-RW-: I thought I set up one, but it's not working right |
| 14:25.47 | Kog | I see |
| 14:25.47 | paulswm | asg: I was trying to get him to show me a line or two from his interfaces file, but no response yesterday or today, I have been the ndiswrapper route with my Linksys WRT54GS router and WPC54GS card |
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| 14:25.58 | Kog | well that's not so much fun then |
| 14:25.59 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: Not at all. The shell does expand *.zip. |
| 14:26.08 | asg | paulswm: ah, I see |
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| 14:26.13 | bender-RW- | jpdp: i've only done that once, and used djb's dnscache instead of bind |
| 14:26.15 | SeRGiNaToR | I installed Debian Sarge and well, I installed gnome and other packages. Then I edit my /etc/fstab and mounted my 3 partitions. all well... but then, I rebooted and when I back to gnome, partitions were unable (and still are unable) to mount... |
| 14:26.23 | Kog | greycat: really I want to use 1280x1024 resolution |
| 14:26.23 | paulswm | fabietto: Just a nitpicking standards thing first: you should prolly call the interface wlan0 as it's a wireless, not an ethernet interface, secondly as I asked you yesterday without response, what does your "wireless_essid" say |
| 14:26.30 | Kog | greycat: and right now I'm running VESA |
| 14:26.36 | SeRGiNaToR | if I umount /dev/hda1 it says that device is not mounted |
| 14:26.38 | paulswm | fabietto: "wireless_essid" line in /etc/network/interfaces that is |
| 14:26.44 | sep | !tell kog about nvidia one liner |
| 14:26.45 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: but not if you enter unzip \*.zip |
| 14:26.52 | sep | Kog: it dosnt get much easier then that |
| 14:26.53 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: I don't. |
| 14:26.54 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: fdisk -l, see what you find there |
| 14:26.57 | SeRGiNaToR | if I mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1, it says that /dev/hda1 is busy |
| 14:27.01 | bender-RW- | jpdp: btw if you do iptables -L -v you can see counters that tell you where the packets are going |
| 14:27.02 | ricky_clarkson | CAiRO: If you don't like the functionality, don't use it. |
| 14:27.02 | greycat | Kog: well then you'd better get to readin'. |
| 14:27.14 | Kog | sep: I'm just curious if I even need to use the NVIDIA or if VESA will let me run at that res |
| 14:27.17 | jpdp | bender-RW-: REALLY odd....the "working" accept dissappeared again |
| 14:27.20 | Kog | sep: but it appears that NVIDIA here I come |
| 14:27.24 | SeRGiNaToR | valdyn_: what should I see? |
| 14:27.26 | CAiRO | ricky_clarkson: which was the solution for a problem of somebody else and reason for my comment |
| 14:27.29 | Kog | erm... GeForce |
| 14:27.32 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: partitions |
| 14:27.39 | Ungy | I can;t figure outt how to get my 3d Acceleration to work from myy ATI card but I reaally am no ttoo hard pressed to get itt ot work |
| 14:27.42 | gilles | I don't know why, all the datas that were on my Desktop have disappeared. Even when I try ls in a konsole, nothing appears. Do I have a way to have my files back ? |
| 14:27.43 | asg | greycat: nice job tweaking the faq for easy keyword fun |
| 14:27.54 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: Restore from your backups. |
| 14:28.06 | SeRGiNaToR | yep, I see the partitions |
| 14:28.19 | sep | Ungy: swap it for a geforce it's usualy the easiest path :) |
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| 14:28.27 | abrotman | Ungy: which ati card? |
| 14:28.31 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: hahaha what backups? d-: |
| 14:28.31 | SeRGiNaToR | if I run webmin, in partitions too I can see all, but if I try to mount... nothing |
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| 14:28.33 | abrotman | !tell Ungy about ati drivers |
| 14:28.34 | Netsnipe | dpkg: alsa |
| 14:28.35 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 14:28.36 | gilles | ricky_clarkson: How ? I don't even have "file.ext~" files... |
| 14:28.38 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 14:28.38 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 14:28.42 | bender-RW- | jpdp: are you sure you are alone on that box? ;) |
| 14:28.49 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: The backups you made to tape, CD or other hard drives. |
| 14:28.55 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Err...now it's not getting the filter requests either... |
| 14:29.00 | bernardo_ | how i can install plug java? |
| 14:29.02 | fabietto | paulswm: ok... i didn't understand your first question. Anyway, in my /etc/network/interfaces i've got no lines containing "wireless_essid" |
| 14:29.09 | ricky_clarkson | bernardo_: /msg dpkg java |
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| 14:29.37 | Ungy | sep I hate NVidia with a passion unlike any company ever before |
| 14:29.40 | bernardo_ | i'm try any... |
| 14:29.48 | gilles | ricky_clarkson: i haven't done backup of what was on my desktop. is there another way to have my files back ? |
| 14:29.53 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: Oh, that's a shame. Oh well... |
| 14:29.58 | bernardo_ | i'm edit /etc/apt/source.list |
| 14:30.06 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: If you delete files, they get deleted. |
| 14:30.08 | FieldySnuts | @troll Ungy |
| 14:30.15 | Ungy | thannks Abrotman I have that on my sources list already just don't know what hte rpm package means |
| 14:30.17 | paulswm | fabietto: would you /join #flood and paste your /etc/network/interfaces file there? |
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| 14:30.28 | sep | Ungy: well i can't see why you'd like ati any bettet but that's your problem |
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| 14:30.47 | valdyn_ | !tell SeRGiNaToR about msg |
| 14:30.50 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: If your files are really really important you can pay silly money (1000s of $) to have the data recovered. |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | Ungy: no rpm .. only deb |
| 14:31.15 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: Try it without X. Ctrl-Alt-F1, log in, ls -a |
| 14:31.20 | SeRGiNaToR | excuse me.. :P |
| 14:31.25 | Ungy | sep ATI didn;t buy the best video card maker of all time and trash them ;-(( |
| 14:31.36 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Now it's logging again, but not forwarding |
| 14:31.44 | Noid | gilles: try one of those "recover your files" programs... and good luck |
| 14:31.50 | Ungy | abrotman ok I will give itt another try today I really want to try tuxracerr out |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | Ungy: you mean Cirrus Logic ? |
| 14:31.59 | abrotman | Ungy: did you try asking #ati at all ? |
| 14:32.07 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt" try that |
| 14:32.11 | fabietto | paulswm: i'm not connected to internet from my linux box... anyway i already toke a look to this file yesterday. There are only the settings for the loopback interface e for eth0 (the ethernet interface) |
| 14:32.14 | bender-RW- | jpdp: look at iptables -L -v, run it twice with traffic in between, see the counters change |
| 14:32.19 | abrotman | sep: and no .. nvidia is not any easier |
| 14:32.25 | bender-RW- | jpdp: maybe post complete -L -v to #flood |
| 14:32.31 | SeRGiNaToR | noone knows why, If the first time I booted Debian Sarge I could mount my partitions (hda1 hda5 hdd1), why now I can't mount it? |
| 14:32.46 | Ungy | abrotman yes they told me to do all kinds of crazy things I have never attempted before and I got lost with all the ddamn options |
| 14:32.49 | bender-RW- | jpdp: same with -t nat -L -v |
| 14:32.54 | abrotman | Ungy: heh |
| 14:32.54 | SeRGiNaToR | valdyn_: it sais that it is already mounted or buxy |
| 14:32.58 | jpdp | bender-RW-: ERR *REALLY* odd...while I couldn't test ping, I just got new emails from the outside world on the test system... |
| 14:33.09 | sep | abrotman: well maybe it's me that's ati stupid, but i'v allways had problems with the ati way, and the nvidia-howto has been dead easy.. |
| 14:33.10 | SeRGiNaToR | *says |
| 14:33.11 | paulswm | fabietto: well that's where you would normally put your interface settings |
| 14:33.15 | fabietto | paulswm: if u can wait a second, i will copy the file through a pendrive and paste it on #flood via the windows box that i'm using now... |
| 14:33.16 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: cat /etc/mtab .. are they listed? |
| 14:33.23 | jpdp | bender-RW-: Now nothing at all changed and it can ping again |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | sep: dunno .. i avoid them both :) |
| 14:33.29 | Ungy | abrotman and I mean 3DFX I still have my voodoo5500 pumping away in a server |
| 14:33.33 | SeRGiNaToR | nope |
| 14:33.33 | paulswm | fabietto: no need if there's only the loopback in there |
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| 14:33.38 | abrotman | Ungy: in a server? .. that's just wrong |
| 14:33.45 | fabietto | paulswm: the loopback and the eth0 |
| 14:33.59 | eaglex | hello, is there any way to clean /var/lib/dpkg/info of removed packages? |
| 14:33.59 | SeRGiNaToR | if I run df or mount, nothing |
| 14:34.04 | paulswm | fabietto: eth0 isn't your wireless card though right? |
| 14:34.09 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: what does "echo $PWD" say? |
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| 14:34.12 | jpdp | bender-RW-: That means name resolutions as well... |
| 14:34.24 | fabietto | paulswm: anyway, if i set the parameters like "essid" in the /etc/network/interfaces file or via iwconfig essid xxx, shouldn't be the same thing? |
| 14:34.38 | SeRGiNaToR | valdyn_: it says /home/serginator |
| 14:34.58 | bender-RW- | jpdp: you really should start sniffing in between you new and old firewall |
| 14:35.03 | paulswm | fabietto: should be, as ifup will call iwconfig to set it |
| 14:35.04 | Ungy | abrotman not reeally I promised I wil lkeep a 3DFXX card as long as possible in use and since I replaced my voodoo 5 5500 with a radeon I moved it to my linux server and replaced my voodoo 3 3000 |
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| 14:35.13 | fabietto | paulswm: no, eth0 is the cabled ethernet... |
| 14:35.18 | paulswm | fabietto: let's start at the beginning |
| 14:35.27 | jpdp | bender-RW-: I cleared the iptables again and set everything back to ACCEPT policy and it's not working again |
| 14:35.31 | fabietto | paulswm: ok :) |
| 14:35.33 | abrotman | Ungy: you could use it with your radeon and have a dual monitor setup? |
| 14:35.35 | Ungy | abrotman its a beuatiful display colors can't be better |
| 14:35.50 | paulswm | fabietto: you have ndiswrapper module loaded, yes? |
| 14:36.00 | Ungy | abrotman I don;t have 2 agp slots |
| 14:36.05 | fabietto | paulsw: yes, i can see it if i run "lsmod" |
| 14:36.11 | Ashtars_fanclub | my usb mouse is, too fast, very much so |
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| 14:36.18 | gilles | ricky_clarkson: it looks like the problem comes from gamin, i have installed it a few days ago because fam had some refresh problems |
| 14:36.25 | abrotman | Ungy: isn't your voodoo3 pci ? |
| 14:36.30 | Ungy | nope |
| 14:36.36 | abrotman | oh .. bummer |
| 14:36.39 | Ungy | AGP 2x |
| 14:36.44 | abrotman | oh well ... |
| 14:36.53 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: http://bugs.debian.org/gamin |
| 14:37.08 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: paste /etc/mtab to #flood please |
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| 14:37.21 | Ungy | its all for the best though I still got the card I may use it again its quieter then the 5500 |
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| 14:37.39 | SeRGiNaToR | ok |
| 14:37.42 | SeRGiNaToR | 1 sec |
| 14:37.44 | fabietto | paulswm: yes, i can see it if i run "lsmod" |
| 14:37.54 | Ungy | ok gotta rebot X thanks for the help guy |
| 14:38.31 | paulswm | fabietto: if you run (as root) "iwlist scanning", does anything show up for your wireless interface name? |
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| 14:38.53 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: check your logs yourself, "dmesg | grep hda" for example |
| 14:38.54 | CleeK | lo |
| 14:38.54 | ircdevil | is it possible to crack a locked pdf file so you can edit it somehow? |
| 14:38.59 | fabietto | paulswm: no, i get "wlan0 no scan results" |
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| 14:39.45 | CleeK | someone knows a text based MUA with SMTP built-in ? I don't want to use the local MTA to send mails, I want to choose which remote MTA to use (like in kmail) |
| 14:39.49 | tuxipuxi | is mount -t smbfs //IP/sharename /mountpoint wrong? |
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| 14:39.55 | paulswm | fabietto: even if your AP isn't broadcasting its SSID, you should get a result for that if your setup is OK, lemme think for a minute |
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| 14:40.06 | fabietto | paulswm: (for lo and eth0 i get an "interface doesn't support scanning) |
| 14:40.19 | paulswm | fabietto: Yes, you would get that |
| 14:40.53 | fabietto | paulswm: if can be of interest, when i use driverloader instead of ndiswrapper, i optain something differente, like "wlan0 : no data available" |
| 14:41.01 | SeRGiNaToR | valdyn_: but I can't do anything with that, or I don't know what to do |
| 14:41.15 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: cannot do anything with what? |
| 14:41.38 | paulswm | fabietto: are you running sarge? |
| 14:41.38 | SeRGiNaToR | you said to me that I try to find it in syslog |
| 14:41.56 | SeRGiNaToR | with dmesg | grep hd* |
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| 14:42.02 | fabietto | paulswm: yes, i'm using sarge with a kernel 2.4.27 compiled by me few days ago... |
| 14:42.02 | greycat | CleeK: no such animal. install a simple MTA like ssmtp that will take messages from CLI agents and send them over SMTP to your relay. |
| 14:42.05 | SeRGiNaToR | where * is a and d |
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| 14:42.34 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: yes, you would notice an error message if there was one |
| 14:42.46 | fabietto | paulswm: i needed to recompile the kernel, because i wasn't able to compile the ndiswrapper kernel module with the kernel-image downloaded with apt-get |
| 14:42.56 | SeRGiNaToR | nope, there was not any error.. |
| 14:43.04 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: mount /.dev/hdb1 /mnt |
| 14:43.14 | SeRGiNaToR | hdb1? |
| 14:43.31 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: yes |
| 14:43.40 | SeRGiNaToR | ok |
| 14:44.11 | paulswm | fabietto: with wireless LAN support? |
| 14:44.19 | SeRGiNaToR | hdb1 is my root.. |
| 14:44.28 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: doesnt matter |
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| 14:44.47 | fabietto | paulswm: i think yes, how can i do a check of this? |
| 14:44.49 | SeRGiNaToR | well, it's mounted now, /.dev/hdb1 on /mnt |
| 14:44.54 | CleeK | greycat : I heard somewhere that some guys made a patch to mutt |
| 14:45.15 | asg | CleeK: mutt-ng? |
| 14:45.21 | greycat | CleeK: so... ask #mutt? |
| 14:45.22 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: umount it, try mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/ ( notice the dot missing this time ) |
| 14:45.24 | grin | someone running latest sid please open a new openoffice [v1.1.3-6] text document and tell me whether you have "insert>>section" grayed out or not! thanks! |
| 14:45.27 | jpdp | I think I have temporarily fixed the issue... |
| 14:45.37 | jpdp | But for now to keep testing I need that name server working |
| 14:45.39 | grin | (#debian-oo has zero traffic) |
| 14:45.49 | CleeK | hmff |
| 14:45.54 | SeRGiNaToR | yep, it works again |
| 14:46.26 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Can I get an @ricky_clarkson.registered hostmask please? |
| 14:46.37 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: so we found out that only hdb1 works? but hda1 does not? |
| 14:46.52 | SeRGiNaToR | yep |
| 14:46.53 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: paste your fstab in #flood please |
| 14:47.03 | paulswm | fabietto: using whichever kernel config tool you used to configure the kernel (make menuconfig|xconfig|gconfig) |
| 14:47.06 | SeRGiNaToR | hda1 hda5 and hdd1 don't work |
| 14:47.25 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: umount /mnt/ too, we dont need it |
| 14:47.45 | SeRGiNaToR | ok ;) |
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| 14:48.22 | komozo | hi all |
| 14:48.25 | jpdp | Ok so how do I set up a forwarding nameserver? |
| 14:48.27 | fabietto | paulswm: i've Wireless LAN (non-hamradio) enabled |
| 14:48.27 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: you need to link a secondary nickname, but else, yes |
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| 14:48.54 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: now, im clueluess, i can only say by deduction that most likely your "weird" additions to /etc/fstab are causing this, remove them |
| 14:48.56 | SeRGiNaToR | I tried defaults in /dev/hda1 and hda5 options |
| 14:49.03 | SeRGiNaToR | and nothing... |
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| 14:49.05 | paulswm | fabietto: If you are using the ndiswrapper-source from the sarge distro, it is old. It is version 0.12+1.0rc2. |
| 14:49.28 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: remove them completely or put a # in front |
| 14:49.31 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Done. ( ricky_clarkson2 ) |
| 14:49.36 | fabietto | paulswm: i've got enabled also "pcmcia network device support" and "pcmcia wireless lan" |
| 14:49.41 | SeRGiNaToR | ok |
| 14:49.44 | SeRGiNaToR | removed ;) |
| 14:49.47 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: you linked them the wrong way round :) |
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| 14:49.59 | fabietto | paulswm: i'm using ndiswrapper 1.0rc2 |
| 14:50.00 | RichiH | there is toggle or master or something in nickserv, i think |
| 14:50.03 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: shutdown -r now, try mounting manually then |
| 14:50.04 | ricky_clarkson | Nice and intuitive. ;) |
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| 14:50.13 | jpdp | And actually what could cause named to run exceedingly slow |
| 14:50.13 | CarlosAlex | How do I export a directory in debian ?? |
| 14:50.18 | SeRGiNaToR | ok |
| 14:50.21 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: set master |
| 14:50.21 | paulswm | fabietto: where did you get it from |
| 14:50.23 | asg | grin: insert -> section is not greyed out (at least when running 'oowriter') |
| 14:50.23 | abrotman | with nfs ? |
| 14:50.24 | jpdp | or more to the point refuse to STOP :) |
| 14:50.29 | RichiH | that's the one |
| 14:50.32 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: How do I use that? |
| 14:50.48 | grin | asg: thank you. I am more puzzled than ever. |
| 14:51.02 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Done. |
| 14:51.12 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: with nickserv, three goats and a clamshell |
| 14:51.22 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: don't forget the lettuce! |
| 14:51.23 | fabietto | paulswm: i don't remember, i probably get it through apt-get |
| 14:51.25 | paulswm | fabietto: If you got it from apt-get then you have, as I said, version 0.12+1.0rc2 |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | RichiH: ketchup too ? |
| 14:51.52 | RichiH | abrotman: no ketchup! that will mess everything up! |
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| 14:51.59 | jm_ | so it's up to people to configure registered stuff, I thought it requires higher intervention |
| 14:52.01 | RichiH | geeze, didn't the hairy potter teach you anything? |
| 14:52.02 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Now what, maestro? |
| 14:52.02 | abrotman | RichiH: spicy brown mustard! |
| 14:52.04 | fabietto | paulswm: i understand, but when i see the dmesg output, i can see "ndiswrapper version 1.0rc2 loaded" |
| 14:52.12 | CarlosAlex | What I need to install to have NFS server ??? |
| 14:52.13 | abrotman | RichiH: not a fan .. sorry |
| 14:52.20 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: now you whois yourself and realize i am way ahead of you ;) |
| 14:52.22 | abrotman | !tell CarlosAlex about search |
| 14:52.26 | RichiH | abrotman: i hate the series :) |
| 14:52.36 | abrotman | RichiH: oh .. ok |
| 14:52.39 | Hokar | ciao a tutti |
| 14:52.43 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: "= 14:52:40 [freenode] -!- ricky_clarkson [~ricky@146-87-113-220.salford.ac.uk] |
| 14:52.47 | RichiH | !it |
| 14:52.48 | dpkg | i guess italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 14:52.49 | ricky_clarkson | Uh? |
| 14:52.50 | asg | grin: yeah, dunno what the issue is. |
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| 14:53.06 | Hokar | tnx |
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| 14:53.10 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: oh, that's the old bug, as it got confused about the master nick. just /nick to foo and back |
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| 14:53.49 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: = 14:53:32 [freenode] -!- ricky_clarkson2 The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (#freenode) |
| 14:53.56 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I guess I've to leave #freenode ;) |
| 14:54.30 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: No difference. |
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| 14:54.34 | abrotman | my debian accidentallly installed suse |
| 14:54.35 | paulswm | fabietto: I couldn't get that to work anyway, so I compiled a version from her (try downloading the .deb into /usr/src, then dpkg -i <filename> and comliling that), you may have better luck |
| 14:54.54 | paulswm | fabietto: sorry, here's the link: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/debian/ |
| 14:54.57 | SeRGiNaToR | valdyn_ ...... nothing... I don't understand my pc.. |
| 14:55.30 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: ok, let me refine. /nick to anything beside ricky_clarkson and ricky_clarkson2 :) |
| 14:55.33 | SeRGiNaToR | in my first boot with my fstab with defaults, and 0 0, all perfect, but then, when I rebooted, all changed.. |
| 14:55.34 | abrotman | it works with 0s and 1s |
| 14:55.48 | fabietto | paulswm: anyway, thanks for your help... |
| 14:55.50 | grin | asg: but you helped much since it's not a bug on every installation. thank you. I'll try to figure it out. |
| 14:55.56 | RichiH | fooisinuse: basically, you just need to identify anew |
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| 14:56.18 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: df shows nothing? |
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| 14:56.22 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I did, no joy. |
| 14:56.34 | SeRGiNaToR | valdyn_, in #flood |
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| 14:56.42 | paulswm | fabietto: With that version, I got the card working. Do you want a paste of my /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 14:57.04 | RichiH | huh= |
| 14:57.14 | fabietto | paulswm: if u think that it can be useful, why not? :-) |
| 14:57.19 | Ashtars_fanclub | why arent alsa 1.08 modules available for 2.6 series kernels? |
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| 14:57.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:57.19 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:57.35 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: that is strange. |
| 14:57.41 | RichiH | 15:55:33 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen Address: ~ricky@ricky_clarkson.user |
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| 14:58.07 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Maybe my own client is telling me wrong. What does yours say? |
| 14:58.23 | fabietto | paulswm: which card do you own? |
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| 14:58.35 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: that you are not cloaked.. |
| 14:58.36 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: looks fine, can you mount? |
| 14:58.41 | SeRGiNaToR | nop |
| 14:58.53 | paulswm | OK, I'll give it in #flood, sensitive info altered. Note that there are *NO* quotes arounf the essid. Also, this is a setup for WEP encryption, I suggest that you first get it working with no encrytption if you have access to the AP. |
| 14:59.02 | SeRGiNaToR | mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt busy |
| 14:59.04 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: i turned it on on top of the already reported cloak. try again, please |
| 14:59.15 | paulswm | fabietto: router Linksys WRT54GS, card WPC54GS |
| 14:59.21 | abrotman | valdyn_: fuser ? lsof ? |
| 14:59.41 | petemc | paulswm: you using satori? |
| 14:59.57 | SeRGiNaToR | valdyn_, I'm going to eat, in a few I come back ok? ;) |
| 15:00.06 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: disconnect and return? |
| 15:00.28 | valdyn_ | SeRGiNaToR: no idea if I will be around, try what abrotman said |
| 15:00.33 | valdyn_ | abrotman: thanks ) |
| 15:00.36 | paulswm | petemc: no |
| 15:00.37 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: i am positive this was never needed. but you can try, yes |
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| 15:00.52 | paulswm | fabietto: I'm pasting it in #flood right now |
| 15:00.53 | petemc | paulswm: its good, uses wondershaper and other useful things |
| 15:00.57 | fabietto | paulswm: ok, i'm on #flood |
| 15:01.05 | SeRGiNaToR | ok, I wrote it in a postit :P |
| 15:01.10 | SeRGiNaToR | see you in a few |
| 15:01.15 | abrotman | lovely |
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| 15:02.38 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: shouldn't you be cloaked by now ? |
| 15:02.40 | paulswm | fabietto: OK, that might help you out a bit |
| 15:02.42 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Yes. |
| 15:02.51 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you should learn how to use that thing |
| 15:03.01 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: It's RichiH's fault, afaict, not mine. |
| 15:03.05 | RichiH | heh |
| 15:03.09 | RichiH | let me dig deeper |
| 15:03.25 | ricky_clarkson | I'll keep the funny hat. |
| 15:03.53 | ircdevil | !tuttut |
| 15:03.59 | ricky_clarkson | I was tutting. |
| 15:04.16 | ircdevil | !dict tutting |
| 15:04.19 | ricky_clarkson | In other news, it's snowing around here. |
| 15:04.21 | dpkg | could not find definition for tutting |
| 15:04.22 | ricky_clarkson | !dict tut |
| 15:04.24 | dpkg | Dictionary 'tut' (2 shown): Tut \Tut\ Be still; hush; -- an exclamation used for checking or rebuking. ;; . Tut \Tut\, n. [Cf. Sw. tut a point, pipe, tube, Dan. tut a cornet.] 1. An imperial ensign consisting of a golden globe with a cross on it.. |
| 15:04.41 | fabietto | paulswm: uhm, you're interface file looks to be far different from mine one... |
| 15:04.50 | ircdevil | <- amazed |
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| 15:05.07 | fabietto | paulswm: can i show it to you on #flood? |
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| 15:05.35 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: cloaks may not use underscores as those are not dns-able. duh for me :) |
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| 15:05.50 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: try now :) |
| 15:05.50 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Let me know when it's fixed. |
| 15:05.58 | CarlosAlex | mount: RPC: Program not registered |
| 15:05.59 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.02 | CarlosAlex | in NFS client |
| 15:06.06 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: that's intentional behaviour |
| 15:06.08 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I'd rather have rickyclarkson than ricky-clarkson if that's ok. |
| 15:06.12 | paulswm | fabietto: sure, I'll /join again |
| 15:06.23 | aixing | lo |
| 15:06.43 | bender-RW- | CarlosAlex: did you start /etc/init.d/nfs-common? |
| 15:07.14 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: i don't mind. done |
| 15:07.28 | ricky_clarkson | Thanks a lot. I did wonder about the _ before I asked ;) |
| 15:07.55 | tam | anyone know who is 'dilinger' in debian kernel development? i only know of dilinger because part of the kernel is borked because he's left a broken symlink in it |
| 15:08.29 | abrotman | tam: send the debian-kernel team an email ? |
| 15:08.39 | tam | abrotman: suppose so. |
| 15:08.40 | tam | thanks |
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| 15:09.39 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: so does it require an oper to configure registered masks or not? |
| 15:09.51 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Yes, but you have to have a second nick linked. |
| 15:10.09 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you're still not cloaked |
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| 15:10.11 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: ok, thanks |
| 15:10.11 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: And don't expect an underscore. |
| 15:10.18 | Phated | Heh. |
| 15:10.29 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: I seem to be. |
| 15:10.37 | petemc | id rather my isp delegated reverse to me |
| 15:10.43 | petemc | btu they wont, the bastards |
| 15:10.43 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Try /whois ricky_clarkson instead of just right-clicking or whatever. |
| 15:10.45 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i disagree .. i think |
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| 15:10.57 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you are! .. yay |
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| 15:11.33 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: but you'll always be ricky_clarkson@146-87-113-220.salford.ac.uk to me! :) |
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| 15:11.55 | ricky_clarkson | It's DHCP. |
| 15:12.03 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:12.13 | ricky_clarkson | But it'll be as permanent as my MAC address because the address gets stored. |
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| 15:14.09 | Kog | ok...reboot to check out these NVIDIA drivers |
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| 15:14.46 | RaVInGMaD | Morg http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos muahah |
| 15:14.47 | fabietto | uhm, someone knows how can i totally remove driverloader from my linux box? |
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| 15:15.21 | mooded | how many roots are coming today ^^ |
| 15:16.00 | RaVInGMaD | i'm g-lined from my servers :( |
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| 15:17.10 | RaVInGMaD | have bulgarian ? |
| 15:17.40 | fabietto | founded... 'dldrconfig --uninstall' |
| 15:17.55 | drac | RaVInGMaD: I hope you get K-Lined from server you are currently using. |
| 15:18.19 | RaVInGMaD | hehe and y |
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| 15:20.48 | Phated | !ops RaVInGMaD |
| 15:20.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: RaVInGMaD |
| 15:21.00 | Kog | blah... X dies... NVIDIA(0): resource conflicts detected |
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| 15:21.29 | abrotman | Phated: you got him k-lined :) |
| 15:21.36 | Phated | I rule. |
| 15:21.37 | Phated | :) |
| 15:21.38 | laura_ | buenas |
| 15:21.48 | Kog | phated: what'd he do/ |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:21.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:22.01 | laura_ | AJA |
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| 15:22.31 | Orion | buenas |
| 15:22.32 | Phated | Kog: Er, lastlog him? |
| 15:22.42 | Kog | neh, forget it |
| 15:22.54 | mairu | I only know this in Spanish: besame mucho |
| 15:23.03 | Kog | heh |
| 15:23.11 | abrotman | mairu: doesn't matter .. we don't speak spanish in this channel |
| 15:23.13 | sussudio | Tejon |
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| 15:23.28 | mairu | abrotman: Thanks, I knew that. |
| 15:23.44 | abrotman | sussudio: tejon you too! |
| 15:23.55 | smacnay | Does dvd+rw-tools require the dvd to be set up as a scsi device in kernel 2.6.x? |
| 15:24.01 | jm_ | smacnay: no |
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| 15:24.20 | jm_ | smacnay: read the man page |
| 15:24.20 | smacnay | jm_: ah, so all that info I am reading is really just for the 2.4.x kernels |
| 15:24.36 | sussudio | !tell abrotman about tejon |
| 15:24.37 | jm_ | smacnay: no, 2.4 also supports burning via /dev/hdX as of 2.4.20 |
| 15:24.54 | abrotman | sussudio: gotcha |
| 15:24.56 | smacnay | jm_: thanks |
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| 15:30.58 | HandyAndE | how do I allow thunderbird/evolution etc to read my slapd server? it only allows cn/pass logins right now, how do I enable anon? |
| 15:31.02 | HandyAndE | (from certain IPs |
| 15:31.02 | SeRGiNaToR | abrotman, are you here? |
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| 15:31.16 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: kind of |
| 15:31.31 | SeRGiNaToR | :P |
| 15:31.43 | abrotman | you guys ever just check a random hostname from someone that joins |
| 15:31.58 | abrotman | HandyAndE: #openldap |
| 15:32.26 | HandyAndE | abrotman: not a debian configuration issue? |
| 15:32.33 | SeRGiNaToR | well my problem was that I can't mount three partitions, the system says that ther are busy... |
| 15:32.50 | abrotman | HandyAndE: it's a slapd issue .. #openldap .. you need to learn how to allow anon connections |
| 15:33.03 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: use fuser and lsof to find out why |
| 15:33.35 | paulswm | abrotman: well, c'mon, whats the rest of the check-random-hostname thing |
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| 15:33.49 | abrotman | paulswm: usdtv.com .. paleck's domaim |
| 15:33.50 | Dewi | can anybody point me in the right direction re: forwarding ports with the ipmasq package, so I can see my network services from the internet? |
| 15:34.17 | paulswm | ah |
| 15:34.17 | sussudio | !fgi Dewi ipmasq howto |
| 15:34.18 | dpkg | Dewi: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ipmasq howto |
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| 15:34.24 | sep | Dewi: that's iptables job. and very easy with shorewall or another firewall script |
| 15:34.37 | sep | Dewi: look for dnat or portforwarding |
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| 15:35.09 | SeRGiNaToR | with lsof I don't understand anything |
| 15:35.11 | clarence | whoa |
| 15:35.20 | mboso | is there a way to get ls to show absolute paths when listing file names? |
| 15:35.21 | Dewi | yeah... but I'm using the ipmasq package, which nukes iptables for me |
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| 15:35.28 | Dewi | I need to understand its strange rules directory |
| 15:35.36 | clarence | i just checked out the "Games" menu in fluxbox. thats a crapload of games from the aptitude "Games" category. dont think ill ever get bored :) |
| 15:35.38 | netic | hi there. this might not be a good channel for this but i dont know any better. i cant connect to ICQ. centericq sais: cannot connect: turboing. does anyone have idea what that means? |
| 15:35.40 | sussudio | F.G.I. |
| 15:35.48 | SeRGiNaToR | and with fuser.. the way to check those devices is "fuser -m /dev/hda1"? (and hda5 and hdd1) |
| 15:36.36 | Dewi | sussudio: thanks; that's so helpful. since the ipmasq package has no howto about port forwarding, or indeed anything beyond simply accessing the net |
| 15:36.39 | paulswm | in fact fuser -mu if you need to see the usernames |
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| 15:37.59 | Araldit | How is it I can replace in a file? I want to replace "pci_find_class" for "pci_get_class". |
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| 15:38.27 | sussudio | Dewi: it does, you moron. |
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| 15:39.14 | sep | Araldit: using vi :%s/pci_find_class/pci_get_class/g forinstance but can be done in many ways |
| 15:39.21 | sussudio | could someone +q until he's read the ipmasq howto? |
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| 15:39.32 | SeRGiNaToR | abrotman, in the man I see that fuser is to identify processes using files or sockets, but I don't know what to do.. |
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| 15:39.39 | netic | what does it mean: turboing? |
| 15:39.43 | Dewi | sussudio: I've read the whole manual; all it says about rules is the 6 types of files they are split into |
| 15:39.58 | sussudio | Dewi: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/ipmasq/c-html/forwarders.html < you are a liar. |
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| 15:40.45 | sussudio | why the people lie when it's so fucking obvious they're lying? |
| 15:40.53 | sussudio | bah. |
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| 15:41.01 | Dewi | sussudio: if this magical howto with more information actually exists, send us a link |
| 15:41.01 | Dewi | sussudio: but I know what I have and haven't googled for |
| 15:41.15 | sussudio | Dewi: you are on ignore. |
| 15:41.35 | FieldySnuts | @stfu Dewi |
| 15:41.38 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP Dewi! |
| 15:41.42 | sep | Dewi: ipmasq is about masqerading to the net, not about portforwarding, you want to read about iptables. and if you 'd install the shorewall package it would do it all for you with easy tutorials on www.shorewall.net |
| 15:42.00 | sussudio | sep: stfu. it's in the ipmasq howto, it's in the fucking link i pasted. |
| 15:42.05 | ricky_clarkson | sussudio's a cunt. |
| 15:42.15 | FieldySnuts | no he's not |
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| 15:42.22 | paulswm | I disagree |
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| 15:42.26 | ricky_clarkson | With what? |
| 15:42.28 | FieldySnuts | with who |
| 15:42.33 | cahoot | with whom? |
| 15:42.34 | Dewi | sussudio: that is talking about ipchains and rc.firewall and other things that aren't really applicable for the ipmasq package |
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| 15:42.35 | ricky_clarkson | With which? |
| 15:42.36 | paulswm | !prize sussudio |
| 15:42.40 | sep | sussudio: might be in the howtoo, but it's not realy masq's job |
| 15:42.41 | FieldySnuts | when who and in which posistion |
| 15:42.42 | ricky_clarkson | !prise paulswm |
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| 15:42.46 | Dewi | sussudio: you know, the debian package, the apt-get install ipmasq one? |
| 15:42.49 | sussudio | sep: ever heard of ipmasqadm? |
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| 15:42.59 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: haha. |
| 15:43.00 | sep | sussudio: heard about it never used it |
| 15:43.01 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: dammit, I forgot about that |
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| 15:43.11 | Dewi | can somebody please read what I actually type? |
| 15:43.14 | FieldySnuts | Dewi: he put you on ignore, you tit. |
| 15:43.18 | clarence | Dewi: no |
| 15:43.19 | Dewi | FieldySnuts: yeah. sorry. |
| 15:43.28 | FieldySnuts | you manky scots git |
| 15:43.38 | Dewi | :D |
| 15:43.48 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: You seem confused. He's Mancunian, Scottish and from London? |
| 15:43.59 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: i have no clue, it's just fun to say |
| 15:44.00 | paulswm | And with a Welsh nick |
| 15:44.10 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: what does ricky_clarkson pay you for? |
| 15:44.10 | Dewi | paulswm: at least somebody thinks it's not indonesian |
| 15:44.12 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:44.14 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 15:44.23 | hackeron | anyone can recommend a good simple cad program to help me figure out how to arrange furniture in my new home? |
| 15:44.25 | paulswm | Dewi is Welsh for David |
| 15:44.30 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: you say like fuser /mnt blah |
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| 15:44.37 | FieldySnuts | fungshwe-cad? |
| 15:44.38 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: I thought that'd be Dafydd. |
| 15:44.39 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
| 15:44.45 | Empty | What Xterms does everyone here use? I am looking for something tabbed since I switched my WM and I can't tab eterm anymore |
| 15:44.50 | Dewi | paulswm: yeah. but most people assume I'm some indonesian chick and try to asl |
| 15:44.54 | ricky_clarkson | Empty: gnome-terminal here. |
| 15:45.07 | sussudio | !tell Empty about polls |
| 15:45.14 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Dewi. Saint David's Day is Dydd Dewi Sant. |
| 15:45.26 | SeRGiNaToR | but abrotman, /dev/hda1 and the others, aren't mounted |
| 15:45.28 | cahoot | hackeron: no gf? |
| 15:45.29 | ricky_clarkson | Diwedd Cymru! |
| 15:45.30 | paulswm | Dewi: Tha is priceless |
| 15:45.37 | sussudio | !boeni paulswm |
| 15:45.37 | dpkg | paulswm: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
| 15:45.44 | Dewi | so er... ipmasq ****THE PACKAGE NOT THE TECHNIQUE**** anybody know of a resource for rules files, how the modules thing is meant to work, etc? |
| 15:45.48 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: /j #flood |
| 15:45.50 | Empty | sussudio, sorry, just having trouble finding one I like :( |
| 15:45.56 | hackeron | cahoot: heh, I live with my parents ;) |
| 15:46.01 | Araldit | sep: That worked flawlessly. Thx a lot man |
| 15:46.02 | abrotman | valdyn_: i will kill you ! |
| 15:46.07 | greycat | Dewi: if it's not in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/ then we don't nkow. |
| 15:46.09 | ricky_clarkson | Dewi: /usr/share/doc/ipmasq? |
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| 15:46.11 | SeRGiNaToR | haha |
| 15:46.13 | sep | Araldit: np |
| 15:46.38 | Empty | How about this: If anyone knows a good tabbed xterm-type package and cares to share their preference, /msg me(I alread know about konsole and gnome-terminal) |
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| 15:46.57 | Empty | sussudio, that way I am not spamming the channel |
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| 15:47.15 | sussudio | !tell Empty about msg me |
| 15:47.31 | daww | How do I resize a partition? |
| 15:47.37 | daww | with fdisk |
| 15:47.40 | ricky_clarkson | Empty: It might be better to ask "What tabbed X terminals exist?". |
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| 15:47.42 | Empty | daww: google "parted" |
| 15:47.43 | greycat | daww: you don't. you delete and create. |
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| 15:48.13 | Kog | ok... so I did what DPKG told me for using nvidia |
| 15:48.29 | Kog | I get (EE) NVIDIA(0): Resource conflicts detected |
| 15:48.32 | Kog | which... is nice and vague |
| 15:48.36 | tuxipuxi | apt-get install sim exits because it tries to overwrite a file which is within another package.. can i force dpkg to install it? (i don't give a fuck if this is clean or not, it's just a stupid .desktop file which i don't need anyway) |
| 15:48.56 | Empty | daww, there is/used to be a single CD .iso out there called "system rescue cd" which had a few usefull tools on it for manipulting/recovering drives |
| 15:49.00 | visik7 | tuxipuxi delete .desktop |
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| 15:49.12 | fabietto | paulswm: i'm trying to re-install ndiswrapper through the deb package you linked me before... i followed the instructions untar, make, make install, but i've got installed now only the kernel module and not the userspace utils (the "ndiswrapper" command in some way)... |
| 15:49.13 | visik7 | tuxipuxi ah sorry this is not the solution |
| 15:49.20 | tuxipuxi | visik7: unfortunately not |
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| 15:49.39 | visik7 | tuxipuxi download the .deb and install it with dpkg |
| 15:49.48 | grigora | is there to find out what's in the initrd image for a Debian kernel without having to actually mount the image, are there any docs? |
| 15:49.53 | Empty | What tabbed terminals exist? |
| 15:49.59 | ricky_clarkson | Empty: gnome-terminal, for one. |
| 15:50.17 | resiak | tuxipuxi: Are you on Sid? If so, why? |
| 15:50.19 | tuxipuxi | visik7: bails out too.. can i force it maybe? |
| 15:50.30 | daww | greycat, hmm, can I delete my Boot partition with the Linux kernel and then make a smaller partitions and then write the partitiontable with fdisk? |
| 15:50.30 | tuxipuxi | resiak: i'm on sid, cause i want those fresh packages |
| 15:50.35 | tuxipuxi | Empty: multi-aterm |
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| 15:50.40 | aixing | is there a way to boot directly to the console when u have kde installed? |
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| 15:50.45 | resiak | tuxipuxi: If you don't know how to do this kinda stuff, you _shouldn't_ be on Sid. |
| 15:50.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:50.46 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:50.51 | abrotman | !tell aixing about no dm |
| 15:50.51 | ricky_clarkson | aixing: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:50.52 | Empty | ricky_clarkson, tuxipuxi, thank you |
| 15:50.55 | abrotman | !tell aixing about nodm |
| 15:51.09 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: You can do that from /msg |
| 15:51.13 | tuxipuxi | resiak: i won't discuss about my choice |
| 15:51.15 | greycat | daww: sure, of course you can. keep in mind the new partition you create will be EMPTY. |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: yes i can! |
| 15:51.42 | resiak | tuxipuxi: In any case, man dpkg |
| 15:51.42 | daww | greycat, Great! |
| 15:51.54 | paulswm | fabietto: hang on a sec |
| 15:52.06 | fabietto | paulswm: ok |
| 15:52.06 | Kog | hey Greycat... tried the instructions you gave me for NVIDIA setup... get a resource conflict |
| 15:52.13 | Kog | greycat: any ideas why? |
| 15:52.20 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 15:52.20 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 15:52.24 | greycat | !tell Kog about errors |
| 15:52.31 | greycat | !wikifaq Kog AskingForHelp |
| 15:52.31 | dpkg | Kog: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AskingForHelp or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 15:53.05 | Kog | greycat: Xfreelog says (EE) NVIDIA(0): Resource conflicts detected |
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| 15:53.25 | Kog | greycat: I ran through the "how to set up NVIDIA on sarge" tut |
| 15:53.29 | resiak | tuxipuxi: Look into the forcing sections. |
| 15:53.32 | Kog | greycat: rebooted and that's what I end up w/ |
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| 15:54.10 | Kog | I've got NVIDIA in my lsmod though... so it loaded the module |
| 15:54.32 | fabietto | paulswm: ok, resolved! |
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| 15:55.11 | paulswm | fabietto: you went to /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/utils and did make all, no doubt :) |
| 15:55.19 | greycat | Kog: /j #nvidia |
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| 15:55.44 | Kog | ok greycat, I'll ask in there |
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| 15:56.05 | Kog | I didn't run their installer though, that won't be a probleM I take it |
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| 15:56.16 | fabietto | paulswm: yes, i didn't see before the utils directory... :-) |
| 15:56.34 | daww | greycat, When is Primary partitions used respective Extended? |
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| 15:57.20 | greycat | daww: when you're in fucking microsoft hell. |
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| 15:57.31 | greycat | daww: linux does not CARE whether you use primary or extended/logical. |
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| 15:57.51 | davis | how do I force cdrecord to look for ide cdrom burners on a machine with a scsi adapter. |
| 15:57.55 | davis | cdrecord -scanbus is only showing devices on my scsi bus and not the ide cdrw. |
| 15:58.08 | fabietto | paulswm: argh, now i installed the driver and loaded the module, but the led of my card don't turn on... :/ |
| 15:58.21 | daww | greycat, ok, what are you suggest as standard |
| 15:58.25 | greycat | !wikifaq davis UseCdBurner |
| 15:58.26 | dpkg | davis: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseCdBurner or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:58.40 | greycat | daww: nobody fucking CARES. Just do whatever the hell you want. |
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| 15:58.49 | netuser | hello |
| 15:58.52 | davis | greycat: thanks |
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| 15:59.05 | netuser | im using debian unstaböe and have a problem installing fglrx |
| 15:59.10 | paulswm | fabietto: I had some trouble loading and unloading ndiswrapper, I found reboots always worked better, have no idea why |
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| 15:59.16 | sussudio | unstaboe? |
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| 15:59.23 | netuser | unstable |
| 15:59.25 | phorce1 | hmmph! Well THAT was a pain in the butt. Guess I'll have to stuff another NIC in this box to make life easy. Two DHCP servers available and I couldn't force eth0 to grab the right one or eth0:1 to use the static IP I had it set up with. |
| 15:59.32 | paulswm | fabietto: You do have to reinstall the driver with ndiswrapper though |
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| 15:59.43 | netuser | sorry i have an influenza and im currently 2 meter away from my monitor ;-) |
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| 15:59.51 | abrotman | valdyn_: you will be forced to eat something nasty ! :) |
| 15:59.58 | paulswm | fabietto: so you need to remove it, and then install it again via the ndiswrapper tool |
| 16:00.02 | netuser | well what about the alien command?! |
| 16:00.11 | netuser | doesnt it work anymor? |
| 16:00.13 | netuser | +e |
| 16:00.14 | directhex|work | netuser, yes, the problem is you're trying to install fglrx. the easy fix is to sell the ati & get an nvidia |
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| 16:00.22 | fabietto | paulswm: it's what i've done |
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| 16:00.33 | abrotman | directhex|work: that's not fair |
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| 16:00.44 | netuser | haha.... i have it running on my second machine |
| 16:00.48 | directhex|work | abrotman, it _IS_ the easy solution in both short and long term |
| 16:00.48 | abrotman | netuser: ask #ati |
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| 16:00.54 | abrotman | directhex|work: says you |
| 16:00.54 | netuser | but the alien command doesnt work |
| 16:00.59 | directhex|work | netuser, google for 'ati flavio' |
| 16:01.07 | davis | greycat: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA works thanks. |
| 16:01.10 | paulswm | fabietto: any errors in /var/log/syslog |
| 16:01.14 | directhex|work | netuser, do NOT just blindly alien the ati .rpm |
| 16:01.19 | netuser | i was using alien --to-deb fglrx----- |
| 16:01.22 | abrotman | directhex|work: you've shown yourself to be seriously biased against ati .. but i don't really care about performance :) |
| 16:01.42 | netuser | and it always worked |
| 16:01.44 | abrotman | !fuck jabber.org |
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| 16:01.46 | PerfDave | abrotman: I care about ease of use, and nVidia seems to pwn ATI on that regard. |
| 16:01.49 | directhex|work | abrotman, 1) this machine has ati, 2) fglrx is painful to install, unstable, slow & offers poor compatibility |
| 16:02.04 | netuser | but the alien command isnt working |
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| 16:02.06 | abrotman | PerfDave: why buy either .. get something truly easy |
| 16:02.11 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: what's wrong with jabber.org |
| 16:02.12 | directhex|work | netuser, so don;t fucking use it |
| 16:02.19 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: hell if iknow .. broken again ? |
| 16:02.20 | FieldySnuts | netuser: heh. rpm. sucker. |
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| 16:02.30 | netuser | theres no deb file |
| 16:02.35 | netuser | so i HAVE to use alien |
| 16:02.35 | directhex|work | netuser, seriously. stop being a fucktard, and use the detailed instructions on ati on debian, on flavio stanchina's webpage |
| 16:02.40 | netuser | but alien doesnt work |
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| 16:02.48 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: consider bloodyxml.com , tad bit slow of a login but works fine |
| 16:02.50 | _warnaud | Hi ! can somebody help / send a link for this problem : Serial Ata partition are not mounted at boot but when the system is up I can mount them without problem ( they are in /etc/fstab ) ? Please Thx |
| 16:02.55 | directhex|work | can we kick him now? |
| 16:02.57 | netuser | wah I KNOW THESE INSTRUCTIONS lol |
| 16:03.03 | fabietto | paulswm: yes: "loadndisdriver: loadndisdriver: load_all_devices(522): couldn't load devices" |
| 16:03.03 | FieldySnuts | if you're dealing with rpm, you're going to get screwed. |
| 16:03.09 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i have other jabber accounts .. but people i want to talk to are on jabber.org .. so it doesn't matter :) |
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| 16:03.15 | netuser | but ALIEN doesnt work... i just wanna know if is broken today |
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| 16:03.24 | paulswm | fabietto: I have never seen that |
| 16:03.30 | SeRGiNaToR | hi again |
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| 16:03.33 | fabietto | paulswm: i tried with winxp drivers... do u think i should try other kind of drivers (98, 2K, etc)? |
| 16:03.35 | directhex|work | oh i give up. take a shit situation & fuck it, that's a real way to avoid mess |
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| 16:03.57 | PerfDave | abrotman: If I didn't want 3d performance, I wouldn't get either nVidia or ATI, but if I wanted performance and ease, I'd get an nVidia. |
| 16:03.58 | directhex|work | fglrx lusers deserve all pain they experience |
| 16:03.59 | netuser | so does anybode know ab out alien working or not? |
| 16:04.04 | paulswm | fabietto: I used the XP drivers for mine, worked fine. |
| 16:04.23 | paulswm | fabietto: perhaps this is a good time to google, I had to do that a lot |
| 16:04.37 | SeRGiNaToR | abrotman, im here ;) |
| 16:04.42 | paulswm | fabietto: But the thing that got mine working was the new ndiswrapper |
| 16:04.44 | DoktorTomoe | Can someone please help me fixing a compile problem? |
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| 16:05.24 | directhex|work | PerfDave, if you didn't want 3d performance which new card would you buy? |
| 16:05.38 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: what, doesn't it allow connections from other servers? |
| 16:05.40 | netuser | omg... youre.....i give up.think about your childish behaviour |
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| 16:06.20 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: jabber servers talk to other jabber servers too, if they allow them, that's usually the case. or you have one that doesn't, like the one I set up here |
| 16:06.41 | directhex|work | i'm childish? "waah i refuse to use the .debs on the net because i'm above it". gah. nothing makes the blood boil like #debian |
| 16:06.43 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Something which had good Free drivers. |
| 16:06.50 | FieldySnuts | DoktorTomoe: give us more details (not saying I know what the fix is), people might answer |
| 16:06.51 | directhex|work | PerfDave, such as? |
| 16:07.02 | elirips | hello. i have configures x using a resolution of 1400x...... but now i have a monitor that can only do 800x... so when i boot, as soon as x gets started, i only have a black screen. is there any key-comination that terminates x while it is running, so i can reconfigure the monitor? or what else could i do? |
| 16:07.23 | directhex|work | elirips, change to a text console with ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 16:07.40 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I have no idea. If I were in that position, I'd have to see what was available. Since I'm not, I've not taken the effort to find out. |
| 16:07.41 | DoktorTomoe | FieldySnuts: I am using Debian Sid and try to compile KDE using the Konstruct toolkit. However, it seems to need Xinerama Development headers. I am not able to find these in Debian. |
| 16:07.42 | FieldySnuts | elirips: if you reall want it to, you can ctl-backspace and that'll kill off X11 |
| 16:07.43 | directhex|work | elirips, then kill whichever *dm you use (e.g. xdm) with /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 16:07.47 | SeRGiNaToR | abrotman, I need to go out... well, I'll try to reenter here in a cupple or three hours |
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| 16:07.59 | SeRGiNaToR | bye people |
| 16:08.00 | FieldySnuts | DoktorTomoe: i have no idea, but maybe someone else does |
| 16:08.00 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, if he has x on boot, he has *dm, which is restarted by the *dm init script |
| 16:08.14 | elirips | directhex|work: thanks. i did not think of that easy solution ;) |
| 16:08.17 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: oh okay, i'm a startx person, kinda weird to me |
| 16:08.18 | DoktorTomoe | apt-cache search xinerama did not help either. All I get is libxinerama1, but this is the library, not the sources |
| 16:08.36 | paulswm | fabietto: I have to leave, oncall pager is calling me, sorry |
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| 16:09.19 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, i rather like the *dm option, but i rarely work outside of X unless forced there |
| 16:09.57 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: You may wish to read the APT HOWTO |
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| 16:10.44 | TMM | hi all |
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| 16:10.58 | DoktorTomoe | PerfDave: I certainly do and will. However, I'd really appreciate some "fast fix" for this problem |
| 16:10.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no .. but if the people i want to talk to are on jabber.org .. and they can't get connected .. kind of hard isn't it ? |
| 16:11.06 | AP03 | has anyone gotten the keyboard applet flag working in gnome 2.8? |
| 16:11.09 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: ok |
| 16:11.15 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: Why are you trying to compile kDE yourself instead of using the packages provided? |
| 16:11.24 | elirips | and another question: what is the best way to share a printer so that linux and windows-clients can use it? is there anything else than samba? |
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| 16:11.31 | TMM | can someone tell me what this enourmous pile of stuff is that dpkg/apt prints out when I dist-upgrade? I get it since today on a couple of boxes, some new mimetype database thingy? |
| 16:12.04 | DoktorTomoe | PerfDave: I have to evaluate KDEPIM 3.4 because of a possible migration from Evolution. My department is going to change systems pretty soon. |
| 16:12.16 | DoktorTomoe | Packages, however, are mere 3.3.2 |
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| 16:12.31 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: See, you should read the APT HOWTO right now. |
| 16:12.45 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde for unofficial sources ? |
| 16:12.50 | PerfDave | DoktorTomoe: You should also /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 16:20.02 | Dewi | sigh. does anybody know what ${j%%:*} means in relation to iptables configuration with the debian ipmasq package? |
| 16:20.44 | _warnaud | Hi ! can somebody please help / send a link for this problem : Serial Ata partitions are not mounted during boot sequence of a debian sarge on a P4C ( 2.6.10-smp ) but when the system is up I can mount them without problem ( they are in /etc/fstab ) ? |
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| 16:21.58 | tub | warnaud_: do you get any error while booting up, I had some problems because I had defined wrong filetype in fstab but when I mounted by auto it worked perfectly |
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| 16:22.20 | LoRez | is there a debian package that contains a stuffit expander type program? |
| 16:22.45 | _warnaud | I didn't have any error at boot ! tub ! |
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| 16:22.52 | voldy | what's the best way to create an encrypted archive in linux? can you lock a tar with a password? |
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| 16:23.01 | ivanfrey | Dewi, I've heard good things about shorewall. |
| 16:23.03 | MirageGarage | hey all |
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| 16:23.19 | LoRez | voldy: gpg encrypt it afterwards. |
| 16:23.23 | MirageGarage | anyone have any ideas on getting APM to work? |
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| 16:23.58 | nobody__ | Hi. Can I get help on installing Xorg on Debian? |
| 16:24.09 | ivanfrey | Dewi: Or you could pick up a cable/dsl router. |
| 16:24.14 | tub | warnaud_: look the files /var/log/dmesg and messages and see if there is anything about this |
| 16:24.20 | directhex|work | nobody__, no. |
| 16:24.31 | Dewi | ivanfrey: heh |
| 16:24.32 | sussudio | !kill nobody__ |
| 16:24.40 | Dewi | ivanfrey: I did. it sucked, big time. |
| 16:24.41 | PerfDave | !topicsmite nobody__ |
| 16:24.42 | voldy | LoRez: thanks, i'm reading the gpg manpage |
| 16:24.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nobody__. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:24.43 | nobody__ | Ok. Sorry. |
| 16:24.49 | Dewi | ivanfrey: dlink firmware is horrible :( |
| 16:25.01 | warnaud_ | It's just like the sata module's not loaded and so the only partition mounted are ATA ones |
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| 16:25.09 | warnaud_ | oki I take a look |
| 16:25.30 | voldy | LoRez: can any file be encrypted with that? |
| 16:25.41 | LoRez | voldy: yep. e-mail too :) |
| 16:25.51 | Dewi | ivanfrey: and now all I want to do is forward a port so I can access an internal listener, and obviously nobody has ever wanted to use the ipmasq package to do this before :P |
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| 16:26.14 | voldy | LoRez: cool... is there a quickstart guide somewhere? |
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| 16:26.41 | LoRez | voldy: I'm sure there is somewhere on the net |
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| 16:27.11 | ivanfrey | Dewi: I was thinking of Linksys. The firmware is GPL. At least for the WRT54G, where you can also roll your own firmware. |
| 16:27.33 | nobody__ | Can you then tell me where to get information on installing Xorg on Debian? I cant find a package for this. |
| 16:27.35 | Dewi | ivanfrey: yeah, I've heard some recommendations for linksys. didn't know the firmware was GPL |
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| 16:27.43 | resiak | !topicsmite nobody__ |
| 16:27.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon nobody__. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 16:28.07 | Dewi | ivanfrey: I doubt they'll give my money back for this dlink junk. That'll teach me to persevere |
| 16:28.27 | quittt | which file system should I use? |
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| 16:28.51 | ivanfrey | Dewi: There are sites that discuss booting linux on the WRT54G. |
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| 16:29.16 | ivanfrey | Dewi: have you tried upgrading the firmware? |
| 16:29.29 | ivanfrey | Dewi: on the DLink? |
| 16:29.41 | voldy | LoRez: found something. thanks:) |
| 16:30.02 | Dewi | ivanfrey: yeah. but installing non-australian firmwares on my australian device would void the warranty |
| 16:30.10 | Dewi | ivanfrey: so I only have one firmware I can try |
| 16:30.18 | warnaud_ | tub ther are no more error messages in /var/log/dmesg, the boot sequence seems to go quite well, the 2 serial ata drives are detected but they are not mounted |
| 16:30.27 | Dewi | ivanfrey: and I wouldn't be surprised to find it was really old - the dlink australian site is terrible |
| 16:30.40 | ivanfrey | Dewi: The DLink doesn't do port forwarding? |
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| 16:31.12 | Dewi | ivanfrey: it does, but it performs terribly. Any time I download things, even my wired inter-lan traffic gets ping times of several seconds |
| 16:31.19 | Dewi | ivanfrey: plus the device reboots as much as 30 times an hour |
| 16:31.47 | voldy | LoRez: are there windows apps to decode gpg stuff, or will it just work in linux? |
| 16:32.08 | LoRez | voldy: I believe there are windows versions of gpg. |
| 16:32.10 | Dewi | ivanfrey: plus any time I'm downloading, certain internet connections just fail randomly, like they've fallen off the NAT table |
| 16:32.22 | voldy | LoRez: oh, ok |
| 16:32.49 | voldy | LoRez: so it's supposedly safer/better than passwording a zip or a rar ? |
| 16:32.54 | Dewi | ivanfrey: I can't believe how badly engineered it seems to be. I suppose it *could* be faulty hardware, but somebody I know has the same model and it's not great for them either |
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| 16:33.45 | ivanfrey | Dewi: What is the store's policy on returns? |
| 16:33.49 | LoRez | voldy: should be. depends on the size of the key you use. that, and you can encrypt it to multiple recipients or just yourself. |
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| 16:35.24 | PerfDave | I believe that newer versions of zip encryption use symmetric AES, the same as gpg -c, but I don't know about the relative keystrenghts. |
| 16:35.25 | Dewi | ivanfrey: normally only 7 days, but I tried to get it working for much longer than that |
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| 16:36.08 | voldy | LoRez: cool, i gotta learn this thing. thanks :) |
| 16:36.09 | Dewi | ivanfrey: i'll put it in on warranty, and if it comes back still broken I'll demand a refund and see how far I get. Not far, I'm guessing. |
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| 16:37.14 | MirageGarage | Hello again. |
| 16:37.30 | coachz | Is there a way to limit a log file size by removing old entries and still allowing new entries ? |
| 16:37.42 | MirageGarage | apm is burning my biscuits, could anyone help me? |
| 16:37.50 | abrotman | coachz: logrotate ? |
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| 16:37.58 | ivanfrey | Dewi: Try going back to the store to see if they'll exchange it for a Linksys. |
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| 16:38.06 | coachz | abrotman, that just rotates the logs |
| 16:38.20 | abrotman | coachz: what's wrong with that? |
| 16:38.42 | coachz | it doesn't accomplish what i asked |
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| 16:39.00 | abrotman | coachz: well then .. guess you'll have to write a custom log daeomon cleaner crap |
| 16:39.09 | Dewi | ivanfrey: good point. I hadn't thought of that :P |
| 16:39.09 | abrotman | coachz: honestly .. ask ##linux |
| 16:39.14 | coachz | k |
| 16:39.18 | coachz | thanks my friend |
| 16:39.26 | abrotman | coachz: but logrotate is much easier :) |
| 16:39.40 | coachz | does logrotate delete files |
| 16:39.49 | coachz | i have 9gb log files ;-) |
| 16:39.50 | abrotman | yes .. it can |
| 16:39.56 | stew | coachz: you could rotate daily instead of weekly |
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| 16:40.02 | abrotman | coachz: you tell it .. say .. you want a 3MB log .. with 2 gzipped backups |
| 16:40.03 | coachz | okie, thanks |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | stew: or apparently never :) |
| 16:40.37 | abrotman | !kick jabber.org |
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| 16:40.55 | quittt | do you know a good app to handle partitions? |
| 16:41.16 | stew | fdisk/ |
| 16:41.32 | quittt | it isnt good |
| 16:41.33 | PerfDave | cfdisk! |
| 16:41.38 | petemc | sfdisk! |
| 16:41.50 | MirageGarage | anyone know why my kernel refuses battery and apm support? |
| 16:42.47 | abrotman | acpi ? |
| 16:43.01 | MirageGarage | yeah |
| 16:43.12 | MirageGarage | either one lol |
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| 16:44.06 | MirageGarage | I used modconf, didnt do any good.. returned an error saying couldnt find device /acpi.ko |
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| 16:44.22 | ivanfrey | Dewi: Before you go do some research first and check out SMC, DLink, Netgear, and Linksys. |
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| 16:45.19 | chugga | is there a problem with http://security.debian.org? |
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| 16:45.26 | chugga | i cant do an apt-get update against for some reason |
| 16:46.49 | chugga | is there a mirror for this... |
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| 16:46.52 | usn | hi all |
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| 16:48.43 | quittt | PerfDave, how do I create a ext3 partition? |
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| 16:49.12 | Maulkin | !tell quittt about ext2->ext3 |
| 16:49.13 | RichiH | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdXn |
| 16:49.15 | PerfDave | quittt: You create a partition, then use mkfs to put an ext3 filesystem on it. |
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| 16:49.46 | chugga | hello anyone? |
| 16:49.50 | quittt | PerfDave, using cfdisk |
| 16:50.15 | PerfDave | quittt: cfdisk manages partitions, not filesystems. |
| 16:50.28 | dxd | Is it possible to mount EZ-Drive partitions? [linux 2.6.8] |
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| 16:51.40 | quittt | PerfDave, perfect |
| 16:51.41 | sussudio | !tell dxd about stupid questions |
| 16:51.41 | quittt | done it |
| 16:51.43 | quittt | thanks |
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| 16:52.28 | nvz | chugga: what distro? |
| 16:52.29 | voldy | LoRez: do you know about this gpg stuff pretty well? can i ask you questions? |
| 16:52.54 | sussudio | dxd: the answer to "can i mount my propietary crapfest partition" = no |
| 16:53.06 | dxd | sussudio: whats stupid? its perfectly straight forward.. |
| 16:53.15 | MrKrystal | hi |
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| 16:53.17 | MrKrystal | I look for a software like Micro$oft Money for linux (made in php). Do you know one ? |
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| 16:53.29 | Dewi | eureka. |
| 16:53.36 | chugga | nvz, debian,. nm it was just stupid apt-get not giving me the right information. the problem is with the next line my sources.dist - not security, |
| 16:53.38 | Dewi | now I know what dnat means |
| 16:53.52 | sussudio | !tell MrKrystal about search |
| 16:53.54 | nvz | chugga: its only used for Woody |
| 16:53.58 | nvz | chugga: and yes its up |
| 16:54.41 | MrKrystal | thanks sussudio. I suppose i can use your answer for every question asked here |
| 16:54.49 | chugga | nvz, oh - woody? i use sarge. so i dont need that line? |
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| 16:54.54 | MrKrystal | or maybe your answer isn't GPLed ? |
| 16:55.22 | nvz | chugga: not yet, you might as well comment it out *shrug* afaik security updates for sarge arent online |
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| 16:55.46 | dxd | sussudio: 1 its not mine. 2 do you know this as fact or reacting to the crapfesty nature of this propriatary partition type? |
| 16:55.47 | sussudio | MrKrystal: since you're not even using debian, yes. |
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| 16:55.55 | nvz | I wonder though.. if base+standard is frozen, shouldnt their be security updates? |
| 16:56.03 | MirageGarage | could someone please help me |
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| 16:56.05 | MrKrystal | sussudio: why do you think i'm not using debian ? |
| 16:56.15 | sussudio | MrKrystal: i know you're not. |
| 16:56.18 | MrKrystal | --- Received a CTCP VERSION from oKtosiTe |
| 16:56.22 | voldy | with gpg, you need both a key and a password (or do they call them passphrases now?) do encrypt or decrypt something, correct? |
| 16:56.28 | valdyn_ | MrKrystal: apt-cache search php money |
| 16:56.30 | FieldySnuts | damnit sourceforge i sslow |
| 16:56.32 | oKtosiTe | MrKrystal, just wondering ;-) |
| 16:56.35 | MrKrystal | sussudio: CTCP VERSION my box |
| 16:56.43 | sussudio | valdyn_: yes, i told him about search |
| 16:56.56 | valdyn_ | sussudio: yes hes fucking lazy |
| 16:57.01 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say: dpkg: irritate MrKrystal |
| 16:57.02 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: je le sais pas, pourrait-tu me l'expliquer? |
| 16:57.04 | PerfDave | valdyn_: No, gpg can support symmetric encryption as well. |
| 16:57.06 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 16:57.11 | PerfDave | voldy: No, gpg can support symmetric encryption as well. |
| 16:57.14 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say dpkg: irritate MrKrystal |
| 16:57.17 | ravenbird | dpkg: irritate MrKrystal |
| 16:57.18 | dpkg | MrKrystal: wenas how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 16:57.20 | PerfDave | voldy: You should read the GPG documentation, it's pretty good. |
| 16:57.24 | MrKrystal | Mouhahahahaha |
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| 16:58.15 | ggl_6 | hi, can I write a script in bash that can send an email? is that possible what mail program can I use? |
| 16:58.16 | oKtosiTe | MrKrystal, it's not meant to be funny |
| 16:58.30 | nvz | ggl_6: use mutt or something |
| 16:58.30 | quittt | how do I let users write ext3? |
| 16:58.32 | PerfDave | ggl_6: mail, mailx, mutt |
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| 16:58.34 | MrKrystal | some guys are |
| 16:58.42 | quittt | obs: it is NOT linux partition |
| 16:58.42 | nvz | ggl_6: if you must script an email client, use python not bash |
| 16:58.43 | quittt | it is another |
| 16:59.00 | nvz | ggl_6: python already has highlevel email modules |
| 16:59.07 | MirageGarage | hmm |
| 16:59.11 | PerfDave | nvz: Or you can just use bash, which is much easier ;) |
| 16:59.13 | ggl_6 | python, damn, i dont know that... I can learn, thanks |
| 16:59.25 | PerfDave | quittt: To allow users to write to *any* partition, mount it with relevant options. man mount. |
| 16:59.35 | quittt | PerfDave, I want to edit fstab |
| 16:59.39 | quittt | PerfDave, do you know? |
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| 16:59.48 | nvz | PerfDave: how would you use bash to send email without using some external program? |
| 16:59.54 | quittt | /dev/hda1 /mnt/doc ext3 users 0 0 |
| 16:59.58 | quittt | I want to change it |
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| 17:00.18 | PerfDave | nvz: I would use an external program. But if you want a bash script to send e-mail, it's easier to use mail or something than to re-write the whole thing in Python or Perl. |
| 17:00.24 | PerfDave | quittt: Then use an editor. |
| 17:00.39 | ggl_6 | mail? |
| 17:00.47 | PerfDave | ggl_6: man mail |
| 17:00.49 | ggl_6 | is that a simple mua? |
| 17:00.59 | ggl_6 | simpler the better |
| 17:01.00 | quittt | PerfDave, ok! |
| 17:01.12 | quittt | PerfDave, but what I need to make it avaible users edit it? |
| 17:01.18 | nvz | ggl_6: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-email.html |
| 17:01.27 | PerfDave | quittt: You don't want to let users edit /etc/fstab |
| 17:01.40 | valdyn_ | quittt: why dont you simply chmod <whatever> /mnt/doc, _after_ its mounted ? |
| 17:01.41 | PerfDave | ggl_6: Do you want a mail client, or a way to send mail from a script? |
| 17:01.43 | MirageGarage | am I de-vioced?! |
| 17:01.47 | fabietto | only a stupid question... i removed ndiswrapper from my /etc/modules file... why, when i reboot, i find ndiswrapper at the top of the lsmod output? :/ |
| 17:01.52 | nvz | PerfDave: yep. but sending/recieving email in python shell is just about as much typing as using kmail or something |
| 17:01.55 | ggl_6 | a wat to send mail from script |
| 17:02.01 | nvz | PerfDave: the highlevel interface is pretty simple |
| 17:02.20 | PerfDave | ggl_6: Then you don't want a full-featured MUA, and something like mail or mutt should do nicely. |
| 17:02.20 | ggl_6 | wat=way |
| 17:02.27 | nvz | I made a CGI Emailer script for my webpage in python before |
| 17:02.38 | ggl_6 | yeah i'll try that first. tahnks |
| 17:02.43 | quittt | PerfDave, I want edit it to make it possible users edit it! |
| 17:02.47 | PerfDave | nvz: If you want to send mail from a bash script, there are existing commands to do so, you don't need to write any python. |
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| 17:03.12 | PerfDave | quittt: You don't want your users to be able to edit /etc/fstab. They will be able to break your system. |
| 17:03.13 | nvz | PerfDave: I find python easier and more flexible. Not to mention well documented. |
| 17:03.22 | ggl_6 | if i fail, then i'll learn python |
| 17:03.23 | quittt | PerfDave, that isnt what I want !! |
| 17:03.31 | quittt | I want let users access and edit a partition! |
| 17:03.36 | quittt | to do that I need to edit fstab! |
| 17:03.42 | nvz | I've been programming python for years and I never learned it per-se |
| 17:03.42 | quittt | but I dont know what to do! |
| 17:03.42 | voldy | PerfDave: ok i'm reading (http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html ) |
| 17:03.42 | PerfDave | quittt: Then edit /etc/fstab as root |
| 17:03.47 | PerfDave | nvz: Whatever. |
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| 17:03.52 | quittt | PerfDave, but I dont know what to edit! |
| 17:03.57 | PerfDave | quittt: man fstab |
| 17:04.05 | PerfDave | nvz: That's not really relevant to sending a mail from a bash script. |
| 17:04.12 | nvz | the documentation is presented in a Tutorial, Library Ref, Module Index..etc whatever format you are looking for they've got |
| 17:04.18 | sussudio | quittt: do i understand clearly that you want your users to edit your partitions? |
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| 17:04.36 | quittt | sussudio, yes! |
| 17:04.39 | MirageGarage | yello |
| 17:04.40 | thingfish | that's real recommendable |
| 17:04.41 | quittt | sussudio, but it doesnt let me do it |
| 17:04.41 | valdyn_ | quittt: dont you really want users to read and write a *filesystem* ? |
| 17:04.46 | dvs | orang |
| 17:04.48 | valdyn_ | quittt: dont you really want users to read and write to a *filesystem* ? |
| 17:04.49 | quittt | valdyn_, yes!!! |
| 17:04.49 | nvz | PerfDave: I dont know what he wants to do, but its obvious he wants to script email.. so if he wants to tie in CGI or something else, python makes that really simple |
| 17:04.50 | MirageGarage | anyone try vector linux? |
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| 17:04.55 | quittt | valdyn_, yes!!! that's it |
| 17:04.58 | quittt | /dev/hda1 /mnt/doc ext3 users 0 0 |
| 17:05.01 | sussudio | quittt: umm. i'd hate to state the obvious, but doesn't that make you a fucktard? |
| 17:05.01 | Empty | tuxipuxi, thanks for the tip- multi-aterm is ass-kickage :D |
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| 17:05.24 | PerfDave | nvz: He said he wants to send mail from a bash script. Rewriting your entire fucking script in a different language, when there are tools available to do exactly what you want, is not a solution. |
| 17:05.25 | valdyn_ | quittt: chmod a+rwx /mnt/doc/ |
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| 17:05.43 | ggl_6 | well thanks guys for all the suggestions, nvz, perfDave, thanks |
| 17:06.01 | Ade_ | When I do a whois on business.queensu.ca I get: `Error: 2nd level must be a province or territory code (on,qc,nl,pe,nt,nu,bc,ab,nb,ns,yk,sk,mb)`. But our domain does not have a province code, our domain name *is* business.queensu.ca. What's up with the error? |
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| 17:07.22 | nvz | PerfDave: oh well. I considered the fact that it may be reinventing a wheel, but he specifically asked to script email.. there is an smtplib in python that can send an email in about 3 lines of code. and it also has modules for whatever else he is tie'n into with this script. |
| 17:07.29 | dvs | Ade_: yeah, that doesn't make sense. There are top level domains named "XXXX.ca" |
| 17:07.44 | petemc | Ade_: remove the business. |
| 17:08.02 | voldy | PerfDave: so if i just want to encrypt something for safekeeping, not intending to share it with others but wanting to keep it as secure as possible, i do it with --symmetric ? |
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| 17:08.21 | PerfDave | voldy: That would be one option. |
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| 17:08.40 | dli | I have "172.16.0.1 node01" in /etc/hosts, but "host 172.16.0.1" still failed |
| 17:08.43 | PerfDave | nvz: But there are existing commands to send e-mail from a bash script which require *no* lines of code, you fucktard! |
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| 17:09.14 | PerfDave | nvz: Why bother rewriting your bash script in fucking python when you can just do "echo foo | mail -s bar baz@quux" ? |
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| 17:10.15 | nvz | PerfDave: heh, gee wiz thanks.. do you not understand that if someone wants to script email they are doing so not to make email exciting, they are doing it because they want to automate it with something.. python is a more extensible language than bash and can tie into anything else, wxwindows frontend, cgi frontend, whatever |
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| 17:11.04 | Ade_ | petemc - But business.queensu.ca and queensu.ca are managed by two separate serves and admin staff, and, theoretically, the finger response should be different. |
| 17:11.06 | nvz | server = smtplib.SMTP('localhost') server.sendmail(fromaddr, toaddrs, msg) |
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| 17:11.08 | nvz | thats so hard |
| 17:11.09 | nvz | ! |
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| 17:11.34 | aakkonen | !u |
| 17:11.34 | PerfDave | nvz: But he already said he was using a bash script, so why not use the existing tools to send mail from bash scripts without rewriting your entire fucking script and learning a new language in the fucking process? |
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| 17:11.40 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:11.41 | aakkonen | thx |
| 17:11.49 | inc|freaky | are there any nice packages i should look at? :D |
| 17:11.52 | petemc | Ade_: but its up to queensu.ca who gets sub domains |
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| 17:11.53 | JaKjAk | is there any way to set file permissions with samba? |
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| 17:12.18 | JaKjAk | example: everyone has access to the share (service) but some files are only readable by some |
| 17:12.22 | Ade_ | petemc: I see. So its not possible to query the subdomain to see who runs it? |
| 17:12.32 | petemc | Ade_: not via whois, no |
| 17:12.38 | nvz | PerfDave: I dont know about the existing tools. I am not an email guru. I rarely if ever even use email.. I just know last time I had to script email, I wrote a 10 line cgi script that sent email from my website, and it was incredibly easy and worked well |
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| 17:13.02 | JaKjAk | any cgi is incredibly easy |
| 17:13.02 | PerfDave | nvz: That's nice for you. But it's COMPLETELY FUCKING IRRELEVANT. |
| 17:14.03 | EvanCarroll | I have been having a problem with apache2/modperl/mason debs, i already have sent an email to modperl devs, if anyone whishes to read it (it might not even be a bug) please do, www.evancarroll.com/email.msg |
| 17:14.25 | EvanCarroll | btw the problem is simply resulting in a segfault in error.log, |
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| 17:14.54 | PerfDave | Wow, tab group colour highlighting in Firefox is <em>really</em> shiny. |
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| 17:15.20 | stew | EvanCarroll: have you looked at the bts? |
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| 17:15.48 | EvanCarroll | bts? i have looked at strace |
| 17:16.00 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 17:16.13 | stew | PerfDave: is this s new feature? or an extension? |
| 17:16.22 | PerfDave | stew: It's part of the Tab Browser Extensions |
| 17:16.24 | nvz | so html 1.0 wasnt perfect :P |
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| 17:16.38 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: no because i dont know what package the bug would be in, i would assume modperl, so i sent an email off to them |
| 17:16.43 | PerfDave | stew: It seems to be a new feature to TBE, so technically "both" |
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| 17:16.56 | greycat | nvz: yes, that <b>is</b> <strong>annoying</strong> |
| 17:17.07 | nvz | heh |
| 17:17.09 | stew | PerfDave: cool, i'll check it out |
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| 17:17.34 | PerfDave | Bah, <b> and <strong> are totally different ;) |
| 17:17.42 | ricky_clarkson | <blink>Eh?</blink> |
| 17:17.46 | sussudio | <b>adger |
| 17:17.54 | nvz | oh no :P |
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| 17:18.00 | greycat | </b> |
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| 17:18.20 | MattF | hi, when running america's army I get the error "Could not load OpenGL library" |
| 17:18.32 | MattF | I have installed the nVidia drivers and they seem to be working ok |
| 17:18.36 | sussudio | MattF: it had to be cut because of the deficit. |
| 17:18.36 | MattF | glxgears etc work fine |
| 17:18.41 | ricky_clarkson | I hope america's army is a game. |
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| 17:18.51 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it's a propaganda tool that's also a FPS |
| 17:18.53 | MattF | ricky_clarkson, it is |
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| 17:18.55 | ricky_clarkson | I know america's government is a joke, so I guess the army must be a game. |
| 17:18.58 | nvz | in Soviet Russia, america's army runs you? |
| 17:19.05 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 17:19.24 | MattF | it's one of the only games I know that's a free linux game that's an FPS |
| 17:19.31 | PerfDave | America's government may be a joke, but it's no longer funny. |
| 17:19.34 | PerfDave | MattF: Enemy Territory! :) |
| 17:19.34 | MattF | probably the only one |
| 17:19.35 | nvz | MattF: bzflag :P |
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| 17:19.41 | ricky_clarkson | MattF: quake? doom? |
| 17:19.45 | MattF | well anyway.. |
| 17:19.45 | Nick0r | 2and2:/home/footy/articlebot# host bbc.co.uk |
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| 17:19.47 | Nick0r | bbc.co.uk is an alias for co.uk. |
| 17:19.49 | Nick0r | co.uk has address 67.18.180.212 |
| 17:19.50 | MattF | I am trying to play thing.... |
| 17:19.59 | MattF | *this |
| 17:19.59 | Nick0r | what have i done wrong in my named setup? |
| 17:20.17 | ricky_clarkson | Nick0r: host sets your hostname. Why would you want a hostname of bbc.co.uk? |
| 17:20.25 | greycat | Nick0r: gods only know. here, bbc.co.uk has address 212.58.228.154 |
| 17:20.31 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: wrong. |
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| 17:20.42 | nvz | hostname sets your hostname |
| 17:20.42 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: how? |
| 17:20.45 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 17:20.47 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: man host; man hostname |
| 17:20.52 | Nick0r | yer |
| 17:20.56 | ircdevil | !xpenguins |
| 17:20.56 | dpkg | it has been said that xpenguins is the one of the cutest X toys to come around in a long time, or http://www.met.rdg.ac.uk/~swrhgnrj/xpenguins/, or fenders has debs! |
| 17:20.59 | Nick0r | but how the hell did bbc.co.uk become an alias for .co.uk |
| 17:21.02 | Nick0r | on my machine? |
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| 17:21.11 | greycat | Nick0r: check your resolv.conf ... |
| 17:21.21 | Nick0r | n |
| 17:21.24 | Nick0r | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:21.38 | greycat | so it's your local name daemon |
| 17:21.48 | Nick0r | yer |
| 17:21.50 | sparr__ | shibby, i can play world of warcraft over x11vnc |
| 17:21.54 | MattF | so no-one has any suggestions? |
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| 17:22.10 | Nick0r | MattF from WHT? |
| 17:22.13 | egon | www.ircng.pl |
| 17:22.22 | MattF | Nick0r, WHT? |
| 17:22.26 | nvz | I cant even play tuxpuck over a 10mb lan connection on VNC, the input is too slow |
| 17:22.38 | MattF | no, I have a different name on WHT |
| 17:22.46 | Nick0r | greycat |
| 17:22.46 | Nick0r | xpanel IN A 67.18.180.212 |
| 17:22.46 | Nick0r | * IN CNAME xpanel |
| 17:22.46 | Nick0r | *.* IN CNAME xpanel |
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| 17:22.48 | nvz | VNC is for games like gweled or something |
| 17:22.55 | sparr_ | nvz: my input is lightning fast, its the output that is slow |
| 17:22.57 | PerfDave | If I edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst then I don't need to run a command to have it registered in the MBR, do I? |
| 17:22.58 | Nick0r | could that be it? |
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| 17:23.10 | greycat | Nick0r: whatever the hell that is, it certainly *looks* wrong. |
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| 17:23.31 | greycat | Nick0r: apt-get install bind-doc |
| 17:23.38 | stew | Nick0r: what is the origin that the * falls under? |
| 17:23.45 | Nick0r | fn~stew: don't understand |
| 17:23.56 | Nick0r | fn~greycat: how could I force bbc.co.uk to resolve to an ip? |
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| 17:24.10 | MattF | well a fat lot of good you lot are :P |
| 17:24.13 | Nick0r | same way I add my domains? |
| 17:24.18 | grendal_prime | hey...i got a program runs from cd...when i try and fire it up i get this... |
| 17:24.20 | grendal_prime | /bin/bash: bad interpreter |
| 17:24.30 | grendal_prime | premission denied |
| 17:24.32 | grendal_prime | ?? |
| 17:24.36 | grendal_prime | even as root |
| 17:24.42 | nvz | grendal_prime: is the file executable? |
| 17:24.47 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 17:24.50 | greycat | !bad interpreter |
| 17:24.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, bad-interpreter is a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 17:25.18 | nvz | grendal_prime: written in notepad.exe? |
| 17:25.20 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:25.23 | greycat | dpkg, crlf->unix is also ask me about <dos2unix> |
| 17:25.23 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 17:26.05 | dli | how to get the last byte of an IP by script, kinda of " echo "172.16.0.2"|grep ???" |
| 17:26.24 | nvz | dli: cut -d . -f 4 ? |
| 17:26.37 | grendal_prime | well..it could be..i dont know..i mean thing is...its on the dvd...its an install script for X-plane |
| 17:26.43 | greycat | dli: lots and lots of ways. |
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| 17:26.53 | greycat | IP=172.16.0.2; echo ${ip##*.} |
| 17:26.56 | greycat | err. |
| 17:26.59 | greycat | ip=172.16.0.2; echo ${ip##*.} |
| 17:27.14 | dli | greycat, nvz gives a way :) |
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| 17:27.20 | Empty | grendal_prime, can you exec /bin/bash as root by itself? |
| 17:27.23 | greycat | dli: but HIS uses an external command! |
| 17:27.24 | harpiain | hi! What a great application for cdrecord in X on gnome? |
| 17:27.54 | nvz | for shame |
| 17:27.54 | nvz | I use external commands |
| 17:27.54 | thoreauputic | harpiain: gnomebaker |
| 17:27.54 | dli | greycat: right, that's what I was about to ask |
| 17:27.54 | nvz | my regex-fu isnt as good as greycat's |
| 17:28.01 | grendal_prime | /bin/bash does nothing nvz, here is the situation... |
| 17:28.22 | dli | greycat: I'd better stay with bash, the script should be in fai, when not many packages |
| 17:28.22 | grendal_prime | i got xplane on dvd, there is linux-install.sh but when i run that i get....this |
| 17:28.34 | grendal_prime | bash: ./linux-install.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
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| 17:29.11 | grendal_prime | so i called them they said the linux engineer is not available but that they had not had any problems with the linux installer so far |
| 17:29.11 | greycat | !bad interpreter |
| 17:29.12 | dpkg | hmm... bad-interpreter is a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 17:29.22 | nvz | deja-vu |
| 17:29.30 | oKtosiTe | grendal_prime, and with sh? |
| 17:29.44 | oKtosiTe | sh ./linux-install.sh |
| 17:29.52 | nvz | dli: see the last part of that factoid |
| 17:29.55 | nvz | grendal_prime: ^ |
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| 17:30.03 | thoreauputic | harpiain: http://people.debian.org/~goedson/packages/debian/ |
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| 17:30.06 | nvz | grendal_prime: you probably have the cd media mounted noexec |
| 17:30.19 | grendal_prime | oooo shit |
| 17:30.20 | grendal_prime | dude |
| 17:30.23 | oKtosiTe | lol |
| 17:30.25 | nvz | heh |
| 17:30.26 | thefly | hi |
| 17:30.30 | grendal_prime | sh thanks men |
| 17:30.34 | dli | nvz: say, by bash scripts, "172.16.0.2" -->> "node02" |
| 17:30.38 | nvz | user mounting of removable media implies noexec |
| 17:30.39 | thefly | what do i need to use my adapter Comact Flash -> PCMCIA to mount the partition on my fs ? |
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| 17:30.54 | dli | nvz: for some reason, "host 172.16.0.2" failed |
| 17:31.13 | nvz | dli: sorry, I dont follow what you are talking about :P |
| 17:31.24 | grendal_prime | ok that worked..thanks...im sorry guys but what exactly is the reason for putting the sh... i mean what is that pointing to again? |
| 17:31.43 | nvz | umm /bin/bash maybe |
| 17:31.52 | aixing | hey what is this and how can I fix it pls: i8253 count is too high! resetting |
| 17:31.57 | dli | nvz: I need to get the hostname (in /etc/hosts) from IP, but "host" doesn't work |
| 17:32.12 | nvz | grendal_prime: I envision you had to take the script off the cd to change it, and thus solved the problem moving it to a volume that wasnt noexec |
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| 17:33.17 | nvz | dli: because host(1) has nothing to do with /etc/hosts? |
| 17:33.30 | greycat | nvz: or take out the "user" option on /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab, and use root to mount it (sudo mount /cdrom) instead. |
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| 17:33.36 | nvz | dli: seems it does dns lookup which would be resolv.conf not hosts |
| 17:33.38 | greycat | nvz: or user "user,exec" just like the man page says... |
| 17:33.47 | grendal_prime | nvs no |
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| 17:33.57 | grendal_prime | i just put sh at the beginning of the command |
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| 17:34.02 | greycat | or that. |
| 17:34.03 | grendal_prime | like i should have done in the first plance |
| 17:34.14 | dli | nvz: it works on some boxes :( host 172.16.0.1 -> node01 |
| 17:34.37 | nvz | dli: I have no idea, |
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| 17:34.59 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 17:35.01 | nvz | the manpage for host(1) doesnt even mention /etc/hosts |
| 17:35.16 | valdyn_ | dli: why do you need reverse dns lookups working? isnt "ping node01" all you need working? |
| 17:35.56 | dli | valdyn_: I need to fix /etc/hostname error in FAI installation |
| 17:36.33 | dli | valdyn_, it's okay to use 172.16.0.1 as /etc/hostname, but still easier to use node01 |
| 17:36.34 | aixing | help I am getting this: i8253 count is too high! resetting |
| 17:37.11 | greycat | dli: "some boxes" being non-Debian? |
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| 17:37.45 | dli | greycat: yeah, debian/sarge, all debian sarge, I play with fai |
| 17:37.54 | dli | aixing, I would suspect either a bad floppy or a bad floppy image. |
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| 17:38.37 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 17:38.37 | aixing | don't have either |
| 17:38.41 | grendal_prime | note: /mnt/dvd/data1/xsystem.zip may be a plain executable, not an archive |
| 17:38.49 | asg | hmmm, interesting 'TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 127.0.0.1:143/52274 shrinks window 585834578:585867346. Repaired.' |
| 17:38.58 | valdyn_ | dli: looks like you need a nameserver serving this name |
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| 17:39.06 | dli | greycat: host 172.16.0.31 -> Name: node031 Address: 172.16.0.31 |
| 17:39.09 | balor | Is there a specific reason why detex is not a Debian package (but is in SuSE and fink etc...)? |
| 17:39.11 | greycat | dli: I've never heard of host(1) using /etc/hosts before. |
| 17:39.28 | greycat | dli: are you SURE it's not getting it out of a DNS server? |
| 17:39.30 | addNtoX | does anybody know how to copy a mvcd with k3b? |
| 17:39.36 | dli | greycat: maybe, you are right, the names are in nscd locally |
| 17:39.44 | valdyn_ | dli: apt-get install dnsmasq "fixes" the same for me instantly, no idea if that is an option for you |
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| 17:40.02 | TheSin | lo all |
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| 17:40.25 | MattF | ffs lol, talk about n00b |
| 17:40.25 | TheSin | anyone know if anyone is working on packaging sipx? |
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| 17:40.49 | MattF | trying to explain to my sister how to import songs into itunes |
| 17:40.54 | MattF | :@ |
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| 17:41.13 | TheSin | click the import bubble :D |
| 17:41.18 | MattF | lol |
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| 17:41.35 | MattF | she's like, i can't find the backslash key |
| 17:42.00 | TheSin | maybe ask if she knows what a backslash is first :D |
| 17:42.07 | dvs | MattF: Can she find the "any" key? |
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| 17:42.15 | nvz | speaking of sisters I watched a weird program about Churches and Prostitution last night |
| 17:42.50 | asg | nvz: pimpin! |
| 17:42.54 | ricky_clarkson | Some 2nd year CS students didn't know what a colon looked like. |
| 17:43.05 | asg | ricky_clarkson: did you send them to anatomy 101? |
| 17:43.10 | ricky_clarkson | [I mean the key, not the intestine] |
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| 17:43.16 | MattF | lol |
| 17:43.36 | harpiain | After set proxyserver on debian how do I set "no proxy" for internal sites? |
| 17:43.38 | ricky_clarkson | I just think we let them in with too poor English skills to be honest. |
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| 17:43.47 | nvz | asg: oh I was throughly ammused.. I learned why they are called hookers and all kinds of interesting factoids |
| 17:43.59 | harpiain | Excuse: After set proxyserver on debian-gnome how do I set "no proxy" for internal sites? |
| 17:44.15 | asg | nvz: nifty |
| 17:44.19 | nvz | asg: next time I hear a girl called a hooker, I can step in in her defense |
| 17:44.41 | nvz | asg: like "no sir, she's not a hooker, she's never even been to Manhattan" |
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| 17:45.15 | MobyTurbo | nvz: do you know why NYC is called "the big apple"? |
| 17:45.19 | nvz | heh |
| 17:45.28 | nvz | I suppose you are going to tell me |
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| 17:45.52 | MobyTurbo | nvz: brothels |
| 17:46.03 | valdyn_ | harpiain: use the gconf-editor, in /sysem/http_proxy edit ignore_hosts |
| 17:46.14 | valdyn_ | harpiain: use the gconf-editor, in /system/http_proxy edit ignore_hosts |
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| 17:46.25 | nvz | I never even heard that word until last night |
| 17:46.32 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Hahaha. |
| 17:46.35 | nvz | sounds like those little cabbages |
| 17:46.39 | grendal_prime | ok this is really frustrating...for some reason i am unable to unzip .zip files |
| 17:47.00 | grendal_prime | anyone have info on this...i could have sworn i had installed what i needed installed |
| 17:47.11 | nvz | brothels sprouts.. heh |
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| 17:47.32 | MobyTurbo | grendal_prime: you aren't trying to do that with gzip, are you? |
| 17:47.55 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd115 |
| 17:47.55 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 17:48.01 | grendal_prime | dude..this is an install script i have no clue what its using |
| 17:48.05 | grendal_prime | hold on |
| 17:48.26 | grendal_prime | unzip -qq $cdpath/data1/xsystem.zip || fail |
| 17:48.29 | sepski | grendal_prime, apt-get install unzip |
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| 17:48.41 | nvz | I dont see whats funny about that.. especially when you leave out the rest of my clueless rambling |
| 17:48.41 | grendal_prime | thats the line where it tries |
| 17:48.47 | grendal_prime | ya i have unzip |
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| 17:49.09 | PerfDave | What's the magic SysRq thing to synchronise filesystems? I'm having to shut down a machine by unexpected poweroff. |
| 17:49.22 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: It looks like you 'discovered' brothels last night, irl. |
| 17:49.28 | nvz | in da burg we just call em Whore Houses, just like you buy crack at a Crack House |
| 17:49.38 | nvz | not that I would know about either |
| 17:49.47 | ricky_clarkson | You obviously do |
| 17:49.54 | sepski | grendal_prime, and the script's path have access to unzip ? |
| 17:49.54 | nvz | but its not hard to understand cause we dont sugar coat it |
| 17:50.10 | MobyTurbo | nvz: I've heard that term before too |
| 17:50.15 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 17:50.15 | dpkg | well, qotd38 is <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
| 17:50.26 | ricky_clarkson | greg_work: awww. |
| 17:50.37 | grendal_prime | sepski, and i would check that how? |
| 17:50.38 | nvz | Whore house leaves less to the imagination.. you dont think they are in there boiling up cabbage |
| 17:50.58 | CosmoDad | can I configure ssh in such a way that it will allow logins from a certain group of users (i.e. root) if the remote machine is in my LAN but restrict access to a smaller amount of group (i.e. non-root users) if it's not LAN? I know I could use two daemons but maybe one sshd can handle it as well... |
| 17:51.23 | greg_work | lol |
| 17:51.37 | greg_work | that looks like it was taken totally out of context but hey :) |
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| 17:51.39 | greycat | hmm.... 2 people in #ssh but no topic yet. |
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| 17:51.46 | sepski | CosmoDad, just restrict root loging people should be able to su - |
| 17:51.47 | nvz | heh |
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| 17:52.16 | grendal_prime | ok this is the first error i get |
| 17:52.17 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.17 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.17 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.17 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:52.21 | ricky_clarkson | greg_work: And one in #openssh but no topic. |
| 17:52.22 | FieldySnuts | ass |
| 17:52.22 | CosmoDad | sepski: hm well I usually do a lot of root logins in my LAN and I'd hate to su all the time... |
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| 17:52.39 | grendal_prime | crap |
| 17:52.44 | ricky_clarkson | CosmoDad: sudo |
| 17:52.45 | FieldySnuts | uh. allowing a system to be directly logged in via root user is dumb |
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| 17:52.53 | FieldySnuts | use su or sudo. |
| 17:52.56 | FieldySnuts | or su -c |
| 17:52.56 | sepski | grendal_prime, your script finds the zipfile it's just not making anything out of it |
| 17:53.07 | MobyTurbo | CosmoDad: then use sudo without passwords for a particular account; don't say I reccomended it though. |
| 17:53.10 | grendal_prime | so its the zip file itself |
| 17:53.12 | ricky_clarkson | I use sudo without a password cos I'm 'ard. |
| 17:53.16 | Jens-andersson | HI how do i get a module to load everytime i reboot debian? the module is Ivtv for a tvcard |
| 17:53.20 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: you're lard? |
| 17:53.23 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
| 17:53.25 | ricky_clarkson | Retard. |
| 17:53.49 | nvz | CosmoDad: why do you have to be root all the time? |
| 17:53.52 | sepski | grendal_prime, seams like it, zip's been a round a long time dont know if unzip in debian can handle all variants that's out there |
| 17:54.13 | MobyTurbo | he wants to IRC as root, of course |
| 17:54.26 | nvz | if you usually do alot of root logins in your LAN, you might be a PEBCAK |
| 17:54.33 | nvz | or a BOFH |
| 17:54.34 | CosmoDad | MobyTurbo, ricky_clarkson: using sudo would only allow a small subset of commands to be usable as root wouldn't it? |
| 17:54.45 | ricky_clarkson | CosmoDad: If you configure it as such, yes. |
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| 17:54.59 | sepski | CosmoDad man sudo look at the -s |
| 17:55.04 | visik7 | how can I be reversed as nick.user ? |
| 17:55.05 | MobyTurbo | CosmoDad: unlimited or limited, your choice |
| 17:55.12 | CosmoDad | nvz: actually it's only for the moment since I need to do a lot of driver installation and similar stuff |
| 17:55.14 | ricky_clarkson | ricky ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 17:55.24 | nvz | CosmoDad: your job as a system administrator is to figure out how do do whatever it is you are doing without being root at all times |
| 17:55.28 | ricky_clarkson | That means that the user 'ricky' can sudo without a password and run everything. |
| 17:55.42 | CosmoDad | ricky_clarkson: I see |
| 17:55.45 | nvz | CosmoDad: this means using fakeroot to compile, and changing habbits..etcv |
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| 17:55.53 | ricky_clarkson | visik7: Ask a staffer to cloak you. |
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| 17:56.17 | nvz | yeah ask em to cloak me too :P |
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| 17:56.25 | JaKjAk | does debians samba package support acl's? |
| 17:56.25 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: No, *you* ask. |
| 17:56.34 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: bah, I dont like #freenode :P |
| 17:56.44 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: /msg a staffer |
| 17:56.50 | CosmoDad | nvz: you might be right, but this is just my very private LAN and I might be a little lazy |
| 17:56.51 | MobyTurbo | CosmoDad: even if you choose to use a password, sudo only asks for it again usually unless a certain amount of time has elapsed. So you can type passwords less but still have password protection |
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| 17:57.44 | nvz | CosmoDad: its not about privacy or security, and these things arent about you. this is about responsibility for your data, your system, your network, and the entire internet |
| 17:57.59 | nvz | CosmoDad: as root you have permission to accidentally do disasterous things |
| 17:58.01 | CosmoDad | nvz: if I login to these machines, I need to be root.. this will change in the future though |
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| 17:58.15 | sepski | CosmoDad, then i think you can configure ssh to deny root loging with password, but set up so you'r allowed with shared keys, that way you can root login from within your lan without passwords |
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| 17:58.27 | CosmoDad | nvz: yeah but if I crash my own systems it's my fault |
| 17:58.49 | nvz | CosmoDad: that doesnt make it a good idea :P |
| 17:58.55 | ricky_clarkson | CosmoDad: If you trust your network completely, you could just remove the root password. |
| 17:59.04 | ricky_clarkson | CosmoDad: You should consider what level of trust is involved. |
| 17:59.06 | CosmoDad | nvz: admittedly, you might be right :) |
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| 17:59.34 | MobyTurbo | CosmoDad: look at sepski's suggestion |
| 17:59.42 | CosmoDad | sepski: it's possible to do a per-user authentication order? |
| 17:59.52 | sepski | CosmoDad, all ssh keys are per user |
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| 18:00.01 | nvz | CosmoDad: even in the case of security, internet connected machines are more of a threat to others than to you.. ignorant people have nothing to loose, but ifg you have a powerful machine on the internet, it can be used to compromise others |
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| 18:00.19 | CosmoDad | sepski: well I mean: deny password-login for root but allow it for all other users? |
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| 18:00.42 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe security negligence should be a crime ;) |
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| 18:01.02 | nvz | CosmoDad: Ideally you would try to figure out how not to use root for the things you do, and then put the things you need in sudoers, and use that. sudo is very flexible. |
| 18:01.06 | satHan | CosmoDad: Yes, go edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:01.17 | satHan | CosmoDad: You can turn off AllowRootLogin |
| 18:01.19 | sepski | CosmoDad, i belive so, but im not 100% sure |
| 18:01.19 | FieldySnuts | also man sshd_config it's in there |
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| 18:01.36 | CosmoDad | nvz: my router is a nice example: it's been set up quite a long time ago so the only opportunities I login to that machine is if I adapt my firewall, check internet connection etc. which requires root privileges |
| 18:01.45 | nvz | I'd never for any reason what so ever allow root logins via ssh, even if I were on mars and not connected to a network |
| 18:02.02 | satHan | nvz: Yeah, I'm surprised they have it enabled by default |
| 18:02.15 | FieldySnuts | there's no reason |
| 18:02.17 | nvz | CosmoDad: you should have a rule editor program that is in sudoers or something |
| 18:02.52 | sepski | CosmoDad, yes it's possible how it's in man sshd_config |
| 18:03.01 | nvz | CosmoDad: you are realizing that you dont want to type a root password all the time, and thats a good thing, but you are not taking the right course of action against prevewnting this so far |
| 18:03.03 | abrotman | nvz: we should file a wishlist bug :) |
| 18:03.04 | CosmoDad | sepski, satHan: ok I'll take a look |
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| 18:03.38 | CosmoDad | nvz: well my firewall for example is modified using vi -- how'd you suggest doing that in a safe way using sudo? |
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| 18:03.59 | satHan | CosmoDad: add vi to the allowed sudo list? |
| 18:04.03 | nvz | CosmoDad: you need to examine what it is you are doing and try find the best way around it. like I use sudo with a timestamp_timeout=-1 which allows me to sudo -v and supply a passwd, and then I can work freely as root with the apps I've sepcified in sudoers, until I sudo -k |
| 18:04.24 | CosmoDad | satHan: wouldn't that make it possible to use vi with root-privileges no matter what file I edit? |
| 18:04.59 | satHan | CosmoDad: Yeah |
| 18:05.15 | satHan | CosmoDad: Depends on the account you're giving sudo accesss to, I guess |
| 18:05.32 | CosmoDad | nvz: I see |
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| 18:05.48 | jvw | if you give sudo access to vi, you give full root access then |
| 18:05.52 | jvw | as from vi, you can launch a shell |
| 18:05.56 | nvz | if you cannot be bothered to login as root, you dont want to edit it with vi, use a rule editor frontend of some kind. something that you can permit access to that edits the file.. |
| 18:05.57 | christor | Hello Pleasee how to install debain kernel 2.6 from a floppy? |
| 18:06.04 | Logi | I'm installing sarge on a new machine and after reading man/pinfo defoma I still don't understand how to install new true-type fonts on the system |
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| 18:06.11 | Logi | what should I be reading? |
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| 18:06.37 | abrotman | !ttf |
| 18:06.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, ttf is the extension of a True Type Font, checkout freetype or ask me about truetype for location of debian howto. for truetype font support with XF4 ask me about ttf xf4, or see <msttcorefonts>, or see <bobfont> |
| 18:06.38 | Logi | ah, defoma-font, never mind |
| 18:06.51 | abrotman | where's the other big #debian .. dalnet ? |
| 18:06.56 | SpamHog | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.58 | slocate | does anybody play moria? |
| 18:07.14 | nvz | CosmoDad: if you need to edit your firewall frequently thats a problem you need to address.. ssh in as root isnt a real easy thing to do and you could accidentally hose something. you make even webmin sound like a good idea |
| 18:07.23 | zzyber | Im thinking of installing debian on my friends computer (PII 64Mb mem) and i wounder what flavor of debian to use? |
| 18:07.24 | Ronin | abrotman: efnet has a big one too |
| 18:07.29 | abrotman | Ronin: lovely |
| 18:07.51 | slocate | well, my question is, how does one install apps marked as "non-free" |
| 18:07.52 | valdyn_ | zzyber: sarge |
| 18:07.54 | Logi | !truetype |
| 18:07.54 | nvz | zzyber: go for sarge |
| 18:07.54 | dpkg | methinks truetype is at truetype debian howto http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html and to get truetype fonts working fine with debian, apt-get install xfstt (or xfsxtt), copy your fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype, type (as root) /etc/init.d/xfstt restart, and echo "xset fp+ unix/:7101" >> ~/.xinitrc as the user that will be running X, and you're done. xfree86-4 "howto" at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0011/msg01817.html, or owned by microsoft, |
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| 18:08.00 | MobyTurbo | slocate: I used to play it a lot, I still play angband sometimes which is a decendant of moria |
| 18:08.09 | sepski | nvz: dont go overboard here, ssh is anyways a whole lot bettter then webmin |
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| 18:08.12 | valdyn_ | !d-i zzyber |
| 18:08.13 | dpkg | zzyber, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:08.31 | CosmoDad | nvz: actually it's not that frequent, but if I log in to my router, I need to do root-stuff. But I know what you'll be saying: if you don't need to be root that often, it's acceptable to use a rather uncomfortable but more secure way |
| 18:08.57 | nvz | zzyber: I installed sarge in vmware with 64mb memory, and runs ok with gnome, but I would try not using a DE if you want decent performance with 64mb, you probably want a light wm like ion, golem, fluxbox, or sawfish |
| 18:08.57 | ricky_clarkson | Logi: msttcorefonts is the only thing I remember installing. |
| 18:08.58 | CosmoDad | and you guys are probably most right |
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| 18:09.09 | abrotman | valdyn_: you're in sooo much trouble :) |
| 18:09.24 | nvz | sepski: yeah if you ssh in as user and do things in a sane way, not ssh in as root |
| 18:09.31 | CosmoDad | I think I will review my security environment in the next couple of days |
| 18:09.42 | ricky_clarkson | Easy. |
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| 18:10.00 | zzyber | nvz, thanks |
| 18:10.07 | ricky_clarkson | Disconnect yourself from the Internet. Put a huuuuuuge padlock on your lab. Go around doing passwd -d root |
| 18:10.15 | valdyn_ | abrotman: how so? |
| 18:10.20 | CosmoDad | thanks for the advice |
| 18:10.40 | abrotman | valdyn_: the i can't mount anything guy :) |
| 18:10.57 | ricky_clarkson | He should try qotd115 |
| 18:11.03 | nvz | zzyber: that golem is a nice wm I just discovered, its got a NextStep look and feel, and a nice dock and pager, and its less than 2mb of memory it consumes.. where as gnome will suck up like 20-30mb for nautilus, 10-15 for gnome-panel, 5-10 for its wm.. etc |
| 18:11.03 | Logi | ricky_clarkson: hmm.. was that an actual package? I'm in fact moving those very fonts over from my (much loathed) fc2 machine |
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| 18:11.20 | abrotman | !qotd115 |
| 18:11.21 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
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| 18:11.35 | MobyTurbo | nvz: golem really is a sort of light-weight enlightenment. |
| 18:11.40 | ricky_clarkson | Logi: It's a package that 'Debianises' the MS fonts that it instructs you to download, iirc. |
| 18:11.42 | JaKjAk | does debians samba package support acl's? |
| 18:11.45 | nvz | zzyber: in my Virtual Machine gnome runs ok with 64mb ram, but it consumes it all, not leaving much for any other apps you may want to run |
| 18:12.12 | nvz | MobyTurbo: well to me enlightenment is trash, and golem is like gold :p |
| 18:12.18 | pipeline | nvz: Uh, you realize that most of that memory is shared? |
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| 18:12.23 | ricky_clarkson | !seen Guerin |
| 18:12.23 | nvz | MobyTurbo: I didnt check it out extensivly |
| 18:12.24 | dpkg | guerin <magpie@210-246-63-76.paradise.net.nz> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8h 50m 32s ago, saying: 'simonrvn: yeah. Everyone who knows him is pretty sure he did it, too.'. |
| 18:12.32 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: he's still being kiwi |
| 18:12.33 | Logi | ricky_clarkson: yeah, I installed that a couple of years ago on my laptop :) |
| 18:12.37 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: He's in NZ? |
| 18:12.38 | zzyber | nvz, maybe i should go for a potato then? |
| 18:12.46 | nvz | zzyber: haha no |
| 18:12.51 | Logi | ricky_clarkson: but it's not on my aptitude list :-/ |
| 18:12.56 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: at the moment yes .. afaik anyways |
| 18:13.02 | nvz | zzyber: use sarge, just dont install a full blown KDE or something on 64mb ram |
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| 18:13.11 | ricky_clarkson | Logi: Maybe you're not including non-free. |
| 18:13.13 | slocate | freenode~MobyTurbo: how do you install [non-free] apps? |
| 18:13.27 | nvz | zzyber: keep your user environment within reason for your available memory |
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| 18:14.10 | nvz | pipeline: I also realize free memory is wasted memory.. but that doesnt make it cool to run gnome with low memory just because it shares the 64mb it sucks up |
| 18:14.16 | zzyber | nvz, to bad becouse my friend is 70+ and really need a nice easy to use interface with mail, web, office and fluxbox is a bit complicated and diffrent |
| 18:14.19 | MobyTurbo | slocate: "non-free" and "contrib" on your "deb" and "deb-src" lines |
| 18:14.33 | dxd | slocate: apt-setup can help you with that |
| 18:14.34 | valdyn_ | zzyber: sarge is good for you, you have th choice of plenty "desktops" using few resources |
| 18:14.42 | slocate | kool |
| 18:15.13 | zzyber | valdyn_, so inte the "desktop" that i should worry about and not X? |
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| 18:15.24 | Logi | so should I install xfstt over the xfs-xtt that is already istalled? |
| 18:15.30 | nvz | zzyber: well gnome will work. I dont notice any sluggishness in my Virtual Machine.. its just that its going to be sucking up nearly all your memory as opposed to the 1-8mb that ion, golem, sawfish, fluxbox, openbox or such would |
| 18:15.49 | valdyn_ | zzyber: I suppose you want X and need X, but X itself doesnt need many resources, the "desktop" or applications do |
| 18:16.02 | zzyber | valdyn_, ok |
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| 18:16.19 | gsky | i am having a problem with a debian install, i cannot get the system to boot up on its own after installing the debian operating system, after the initial reboot, the system just hangs with nothing output to the screen and a blinking cursor, i have tried everything i can think off including using a boot partition at the beginning of the drive, installing grub, reinstalling lilo, but nothing has worked, does anybody have any other suggestions to try to figure this |
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| 18:16.37 | nvz | 64mb is about a bare minimum for most Desktop Environments |
| 18:16.39 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: How can I measure the current memory use of gnome? |
| 18:16.49 | abrotman | nvz: blackbox! |
| 18:16.54 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I just use gnome-system-monitor when in gnome |
| 18:17.00 | Logi | ricky_clarkson: think of a number. Multiply by \pi and add 42MB |
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| 18:17.08 | nvz | Logi: haha |
| 18:17.21 | valdyn_ | zzyber: i did find windowmaker fine and easy, years ago. And its default look is very clean,so probably good for "newbies" |
| 18:17.26 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Eclipse is using 281MB. |
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| 18:17.36 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: wtf is Eclipse? |
| 18:17.42 | ricky_clarkson | A Java IDE. |
| 18:17.44 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: that's not a gnome app |
| 18:17.46 | solomonn | it must be something relaly cool |
| 18:17.47 | nvz | damn |
| 18:17.48 | valdyn_ | zzyber: but then again, fluxbox doesnt really look much different and you didnt want that.. |
| 18:17.49 | solomonn | eally |
| 18:17.50 | solomonn | really |
| 18:17.51 | solomonn | got it! |
| 18:17.57 | abrotman | nvz: /msg dpkg info eclipse-platform |
| 18:18.04 | nvz | no way man :P |
| 18:18.07 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:18.08 | nvz | who cares about java |
| 18:18.13 | solomonn | yeah that does suck |
| 18:18.14 | abrotman | !info eclipse-platform |
| 18:18.16 | dpkg | eclipse-platform: (Eclipse platform without plug-ins to develop any language), section contrib/devel, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 26120 kB, Installed size: 33425 kB |
| 18:18.18 | abrotman | yay |
| 18:18.20 | SpamHog | nzv: ion, ratpoison |
| 18:18.33 | Logi | nvz: a large number of people, including those who pay ricky_clarkson and me |
| 18:18.50 | solomonn | i need to get the gimp's mem usage up that high and i will be badass |
| 18:18.52 | nvz | that golem uses less memory than ion |
| 18:18.54 | valdyn_ | zzyber: i'd try xfce4, not sure if its small enough though |
| 18:18.56 | abrotman | Logi: fools with money! |
| 18:18.56 | njan | nvz, IBM, for one. |
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| 18:19.05 | ricky_clarkson | gnome-terminal looks like it's using 29MB, gaim 31MB, gnome-panel 24MB, x-www-browser is using 124MB (galeon). |
| 18:19.12 | solomonn | what's golem and ion? |
| 18:19.14 | njan | nvz, there's this other company called Sun Microsystems who it's fairly important, too. |
| 18:19.14 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: that doesn't sound right |
| 18:19.16 | njan | :) |
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| 18:19.22 | nvz | njan: heh |
| 18:19.23 | njan | s/important/important to/ |
| 18:19.23 | Bluescreen | Can anybody tell me, how I change my sarge installation from using traditional /dev to usinig /devfs ? |
| 18:19.23 | ricky_clarkson | But I don't notice any problems. |
| 18:19.35 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: shared memory? |
| 18:19.42 | abrotman | yes .. must be shared! |
| 18:19.43 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: How can I tell? |
| 18:19.49 | nvz | Bluescreen: sell your soul to the devil |
| 18:19.51 | solomonn | guess :) |
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| 18:20.02 | nvz | Bluescreen: or just mount devfs |
| 18:20.09 | nvz | er load it |
| 18:20.13 | solomonn | what's with this udev thing |
| 18:20.14 | nvz | I guess its a kernel module |
| 18:20.17 | greycat | Bluescreen: do NOT use devfs. it's heavily deprecated. |
| 18:20.21 | solomonn | is it something that is cool and should be used? |
| 18:20.21 | ricky_clarkson | Used memory: 317MB of 472MB. So I'm not doing too bad. |
| 18:20.26 | greycat | Bluescreen: it goes away from the upstream kernel in July. |
| 18:20.40 | MobyTurbo | solomonn: udev is a userspace version of devfs for 2.6 kernels |
| 18:20.43 | nvz | I was thinking about try udev on a VM, I am seeing new technologies being built around it.. like hal |
| 18:20.46 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: in top, theres a column SHR for shared |
| 18:20.47 | atrus | if you want automatic /dev management, switch to a 2.6.x kernel and install udev. |
| 18:20.47 | solomonn | MobyTurbo: i know that much :) |
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| 18:21.01 | solomonn | will udev break everything in sid? |
| 18:21.03 | zzaz | is there a channel, where people answer questions about win xp? |
| 18:21.03 | Bluescreen | greycat: OK, not following kernel development that close. So, what's the thing to use then? |
| 18:21.06 | grendal_prime | something is just not right...i cant unrar anything ither |
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| 18:21.08 | MobyTurbo | solomonn: personally I hate devfs and udev; but udev seems to be the future like it or not. |
| 18:21.12 | atrus | solomonn: not on this machine. |
| 18:21.13 | solomonn | i remember when i reinstalled sid and tried out devfs but it broke everything so i quit |
| 18:21.21 | Logi | ok, got the stuff installed. It was suspiciously easy :) |
| 18:21.25 | grendal_prime | what would cause a mcahine to just not be able to read archived files |
| 18:21.32 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: How can I capture the output of top? |
| 18:21.33 | solomonn | now my new hardware is coming and i'm gonna reinstall sid on my new hd |
| 18:21.42 | atrus | solomonn: devfs was tricky because you had to install another daemon to maintain compatability symlinks. that's all included in udev. |
| 18:21.44 | Logi | now if ant-spy would ever finish I can get on with this |
| 18:21.54 | nvz | grendal_prime: the bastard operator from hell :P |
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| 18:22.10 | solomonn | oh, hey, is there a factoid for making a bleeding-edge boot cd to do a net install of sid + experimental? |
| 18:22.15 | solomonn | or something close |
| 18:22.15 | dxd | zzaz, regarding winXP: Many questions will be asked, few will be answered |
| 18:22.36 | solomonn | atrus: so i just like apt-get install udev and i'm in business? |
| 18:22.37 | nvz | zzaz: not on freenode |
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| 18:22.43 | nvz | zzaz: whats the nature of the problem? |
| 18:22.59 | atrus | solomonn: as long as you're running a 2.6.x kernel (because you need sysfs), yep. |
| 18:23.04 | ricky_clarkson | zzaz: #windows |
| 18:23.12 | kikinovak | Hi. I have hiccup problems with my CDROM drive, and I'd like to try to disable DMA. AFAIK, DMA is disabled by adding append = "ide=nodma" to /etc/lilo.conf. But then, I already have a line in lilo.conf that specifies SCSI emulation: append = "hdc=ide-scsi". Question: what would be the correct syntax to merge these? Simply one after another, meaning two "append" lines? |
| 18:23.15 | solomonn | atrus: cool beans |
| 18:23.19 | cmartine | how does one check the speed of your NIC card? I dont know if Im getting 1GB on the new network? |
| 18:23.31 | ricky_clarkson | I join #windows and #cygwin when I'm on Windows (not now). |
| 18:23.36 | solomonn | cmartine: try iptraf |
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| 18:23.57 | dxd | cmartine: bing perhaps |
| 18:24.03 | solomonn | cmartine: that will monitor it, you can do a big xfer to give it some traffic |
| 18:24.10 | solomonn | bing i haven't heard of maybe it's better |
| 18:24.13 | Bluescreen | anything needed in /etc/fstab for sysfs / udev ? |
| 18:24.13 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: no idea, thats what ps is for i guess |
| 18:24.15 | dxd | !bing |
| 18:24.15 | dpkg | well, bing is an Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester |
| 18:24.17 | quittt | how do I recover files that I deleted? I am using ext3 |
| 18:24.21 | quittt | !recover] |
| 18:24.23 | quittt | !recover |
| 18:24.23 | dpkg | hmm... recover is http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 18:24.33 | solomonn | !debian-install |
| 18:24.34 | solomonn | ? |
| 18:24.43 | grendal_prime | nvz, ya no shit...that would do it |
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| 18:24.45 | nvz | I just discovered this gnome networking tool thingy.. gonna have to put this on my uncle's pc.. its a frontend to /etc/network/interfaces, ping, netstat, traceroute, finger, whois..etc |
| 18:24.45 | cmartine | in windows you a little window pops up that says 1gb connection |
| 18:24.46 | solomonn | no candy for me |
| 18:24.48 | grendal_prime | well i figured out some of it |
| 18:24.55 | zzaz | is there a channel, where people answer questions about win xp? |
| 18:25.07 | solomonn | zzaz: #windows |
| 18:25.08 | grendal_prime | using nofree version of unrar...whatever non-free means |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | zzaz: not this one |
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| 18:25.19 | abrotman | solomonn: that's not funny |
| 18:25.22 | MobyTurbo | !tell zzaz about repeat |
| 18:25.24 | nvz | !ops zzaz is apperently repeating and not listening to people telling him windows is off-topic |
| 18:25.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: zzaz is apperently repeating and not listening to people telling him windows is off-topic |
| 18:25.28 | CarlosAlex | What should I install to access a NFS server ?? |
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| 18:25.42 | dondelelcaro | zzaz: windows is OT here. Ask elsewhere. |
| 18:25.57 | cmartine | iptraf is what im looking for- thank goodness for apt-get install !!! |
| 18:25.59 | cmartine | thanks |
| 18:26.09 | solomonn | i want to create an xchat plugin that sends messages like zzaz's to #debian without my friend's knowledge whenever he joins |
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| 18:26.25 | solomonn | maybe some others about knopix and stuff |
| 18:26.25 | PCPN | zzaz: yes, it is an audio only channel. you have to call MS support to get intot hat channel |
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| 18:26.29 | abrotman | solomonn: and you think we want that why? |
| 18:26.40 | solomonn | abrotman: you would be rid of him quickly |
| 18:26.52 | abrotman | solomonn: uhm .. ok |
| 18:27.08 | scorphus | quittt: I think you're in trouble... |
| 18:27.22 | ricky_clarkson | solomonn: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/something.html |
| 18:27.25 | solomonn | abrotman: you ok? you need some taea? |
| 18:27.26 | paulswm | CarlosAlex: nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server, your choice, the first on'e kernel space, the second is user space, I use the kernel one personally |
| 18:27.29 | zzaz | PCPN: maybe on another network |
| 18:27.30 | solomonn | s/ta/t/ |
| 18:27.34 | nvz | solomonn: just setup an auto-join to a forbidden channel |
| 18:27.35 | abrotman | solomonn: i need to not be sick any more |
| 18:27.42 | nvz | solomonn: if you want him k-lined :P |
| 18:27.57 | dan|el | I've got problems compiling rrdtool on debian 3.0. (the rrdtool package which comes with it seems to have a bug). I've pasted the error here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ybo5jC21.html can anyone help? |
| 18:28.00 | CarlosAlex | paulswm, ok... I installed nfs-kernel-server |
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| 18:28.09 | nvz | who needs friends like solomonn |
| 18:28.18 | solomonn | nvz: forbidden channel? |
| 18:28.18 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: have you filed a bug report against rrdtool yet? |
| 18:28.31 | ricky_clarkson | solomonn: Clue? |
| 18:28.31 | nvz | solomonn: http://freenode.net |
| 18:28.34 | solomonn | nvz: ah he'd like me for it as long as he didn't get klined ;) |
| 18:28.50 | nvz | solomonn: there are channels that result in k-line when you join them |
| 18:28.55 | solomonn | really? |
| 18:28.57 | solomonn | that is strange |
| 18:28.58 | ricky_clarkson | solomonn: Maybe we should just ban you instead. |
| 18:28.59 | nvz | solomonn: there is a list of forbidden channels on the website |
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| 18:29.19 | ricky_clarkson | solomonn: It's not strange. Certain spambots are written to join certain channels. When they join they get removed. |
| 18:29.29 | solomonn | ahh |
| 18:29.30 | ricky_clarkson | Any humans that join should hopefully heed the 10 second warning. |
| 18:29.34 | solomonn | then, that is actually very clever |
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| 18:29.47 | ricky_clarkson | I tried to get my mate k-lined once by doing that from his server. |
| 18:29.49 | greycat | dan|el: apparently your gcc doesn't like the -march=pentium3 option you passed to it. Try again. |
| 18:29.52 | nvz | I didnt know you got a 10 second warning |
| 18:29.59 | ricky_clarkson | Except I got my port forwarding mixed up and got myself k-lined instead. |
| 18:30.00 | greycat | (But this time only use options that actually *exist*.) |
| 18:30.02 | Bluescreen | dan|el: Looks like the Makefile expects gcc-3.x and you are using ?? |
| 18:30.04 | solomonn | what's with all the hate? i wasn't actually planning on writing a plugin to make my friend say stupid things in here |
| 18:30.06 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: I've been in contact with the author, but the version supplied with debian 3.0 isn't the latest, so I can't really expect him to fix it |
| 18:30.10 | greycat | Bluescreen: woody has gcc 2.95 |
| 18:30.13 | solomonn | it was just a silly idea |
| 18:30.21 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: don't contact the upsteam author. File a bug against the Debian package. |
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| 18:30.29 | dan|el | Bluescreen: 2.95 thanks for the catch |
| 18:30.37 | solomonn | ricky_clarkson: that's karma :) |
| 18:30.39 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: what's the best way of doing that? |
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| 18:30.41 | ricky_clarkson | solomonn: Heh. |
| 18:30.45 | greycat | dan|el: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:30.56 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: using reportbug; Which version of rrdtool and/or Debian is this, anyway? |
| 18:30.56 | MobyTurbo | 2.95 doesn't reliably do better than -march=pentiumpro |
| 18:30.57 | jeaneid | is there a way to only rsync hidden files |
| 18:30.59 | efti | hi all |
| 18:31.09 | nvz | I thought people were not finishing their sentances, and its my terminal size |
| 18:31.09 | MobyTurbo | -march=pentiumpro isn't that bad though |
| 18:31.11 | ricky_clarkson | solomonn: I then proceeded to mount /mnt/floppy on his machine, which ran pretty much the ONLY Solaris kernel that crashed if you tried to mount a floppy on a machine without a floppy drive. |
| 18:31.14 | dondelelcaro | jeaneid: what are "hidden files"? You mean files beginning with a .? |
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| 18:31.23 | Bluescreen | dan|el: You can find a backpoort of gcc-3.3 for woody. Install it and try CC=gcc-3.3 ./configure bla bla |
| 18:31.23 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: 3.0 and 1.0.36 |
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| 18:31.36 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: and what exactly is the "bug"? |
| 18:31.38 | jeaneid | dondelelcaro: dot files |
| 18:31.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart aol proxies for making snort go nuts about "invalid HTTP version string" |
| 18:31.41 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I had to press the "Auto" button on my monitor last week. |
| 18:31.47 | efti | I have the following mission-critical problem: openoffice.org is ugly :D |
| 18:31.48 | solomonn | my friend's sister messed with the auto text replace settings in gaim to replace things like "a" and "the" with obscene and weird statements |
| 18:31.50 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: COLUMNS=80 ps -eo rss,size,pid,user,ucmd | sort -n |
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| 18:31.57 | FieldySnuts | heh that worked out well |
| 18:31.59 | solomonn | that conversation was hilarious |
| 18:32.08 | paulswm | CarlosAlex: Then on the client machine you just need to install nfs-common |
| 18:32.11 | efti | I'm trying to make it use the gnome widgets but because I'm not actually running gnome it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:32.21 | dondelelcaro | jeaneid: so use the --exclude and --include options to rsync |
| 18:32.27 | MobyTurbo | efti: ximian offers a GNOMEized open office |
| 18:32.29 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/valdyn.txt |
| 18:32.35 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: whats that do? is it a settings reset, or it somehow attempts to center the image automagically? |
| 18:32.41 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: I meant 1.0.46 |
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| 18:32.53 | solomonn | efti: try abiword |
| 18:32.56 | CarlosAlex | paulswm, thanks anyway, its working now |
| 18:33.03 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: it's aproblem with fetch. I create a rrd with certain DS' and try to do a fetch on it, and I get a seek error |
| 18:33.04 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: The latter I think. |
| 18:33.04 | paulswm | CarlosAlex: yw |
| 18:33.16 | solomonn | efti: it will prokbably make you install gnome so that will fix your worries ;) |
| 18:33.24 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: works fine with 1.0.49 on freebsd |
| 18:33.24 | efti | MobyTurbo: I think by installing the openoffice.org-gtk-gnome I should acchieve the same effect |
| 18:33.32 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I got this Dell M991 17" CRT, its crap.. it almost always looks blurry.. I couldnt even fix it by adjusting the flyback transformer |
| 18:33.33 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: hrm... well, you're probably better off getting a backport of rrd to stable, instead of building your own |
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| 18:33.55 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Mine's an ACER AL1711 17" LCD, seems fine to me. |
| 18:34.05 | MobyTurbo | efti: probably |
| 18:34.08 | efti | solomonn: unfortunately abiword is just a word processor (albeit a nice one) |
| 18:34.17 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: I have another machine using 1.0.35 and I have the same problem (so one 1.0.46 and one 1.0.35 with the same error) |
| 18:34.28 | jeaneid | dondelelcaro: I tried --exclude=/* --include=/.* does not work |
| 18:34.29 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: its too advanced, has zoom an Moire adjustments..etc |
| 18:34.35 | MobyTurbo | efti: if you need a spreadsheet gnumeric is very good |
| 18:34.40 | efti | MobyTurbo, I have installed it but still no luck. Perhaps there's some gnome config tool I need to run or something? |
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| 18:34.49 | efti | Yep, I use that too, occasionally |
| 18:34.51 | dondelelcaro | jeaneid: that will only match files starting with /*; you probably don't have any of them |
| 18:34.59 | MobyTurbo | efti: I really don't know |
| 18:35.11 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: yeah, unstable has 1.0.49, so presumably there's a backport of that version to stable. |
| 18:35.26 | efti | MobyTurbo: never mind, thanks for your suggestions anyway |
| 18:35.35 | Overand | What's the command-line app I can use to set x's resolution? |
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| 18:35.41 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: Any interpretation? |
| 18:35.45 | dan|el | dondelelcaro: where do I get the backport? |
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| 18:35.50 | MobyTurbo | efti: np |
| 18:35.51 | jeaneid | dondelelcaro: I thought that would not match any directories or files in the parent directory except the dot files |
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| 18:35.53 | dondelelcaro | dan|el: backports.org |
| 18:35.54 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx Overand |
| 18:35.55 | dpkg | Overand: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:35.56 | dan|el | thanks |
| 18:36.04 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I think those "features" are why it looks like shit.. because its streching the image its recieving from the PC and making it blurry |
| 18:36.05 | Overand | no, i mean during runtime |
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| 18:36.20 | ricky_clarkson | Overand: Ctrl-Alt-NumPadPlus |
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| 18:36.36 | dondelelcaro | jeaneid: no, that will exclude any files matching /*; and no files will match /* at all. You want --exclude=* --include=.*; most likely. |
| 18:36.46 | Overand | ricky_clarkson: i asked for th ecommand-line app. control-alt-(numpad) doesn't work due to the way keyboard scanning on this (num keypadless) laptop |
| 18:36.47 | dondelelcaro | (with * and .* escaped, of course) |
| 18:36.49 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Ugh. |
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| 18:37.00 | dondelelcaro | s/escaped/protected/ |
| 18:37.11 | ricky_clarkson | Overand: On my old laptop there was a key that let you use some of the right-hand part of the keyboard as a numpad. |
| 18:37.24 | ricky_clarkson | Overand: Maybe it was just num lock, can't remember (it got stolen ;( ). |
| 18:37.25 | Overand | ricky_clarkson: and I'v etried that, and it doesn't work for changing rez in X |
| 18:37.27 | dan|el | bummer, don't see one there |
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| 18:37.36 | Xer0 | anyone knows if "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should create the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? |
| 18:37.44 | asg | Xer0: it should |
| 18:37.52 | ricky_clarkson | Xer0: Unless you've edited it yourself. Ever. |
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| 18:37.57 | jeaneid | dondelelcaro thanks I tried exclude=/ include=/.* and it works |
| 18:37.57 | Overand | there's a very simple command-line app that's x(something) 1024x768 or wahtever |
| 18:38.00 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: not to mention the case seems to have treated glare-resistant glass, thats in front of the actual picture tube.. might have something to do with it too |
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| 18:38.03 | jstevens | Xer0: unless you've manually modified it |
| 18:38.07 | asg | Xer0: if you did edit it, /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 18:38.12 | Xer0 | i deleted it and ran again dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 18:38.28 | d34l3r | debian gnu/hurd comes with boot mananger? |
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| 18:38.52 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: my 21" is in the game room, with the wireless keyboard/mouse I either got this Dell M991 that goes with this PC and is 17" or my NEC Multisync 3FGx which is only 15" |
| 18:38.54 | paulswm | d34l3r: yes, grub |
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| 18:39.07 | d34l3r | paulswm: the minimal too? |
| 18:39.11 | Xer0 | ty asg |
| 18:39.15 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Show-off. |
| 18:39.19 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I just live with the blurriness, because when I am playing bzflag it looks alright, and it gives me 2 extra inches of viewability |
| 18:39.30 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Well, er, I've got a girlfriend, so I don't need bzflag. ;) |
| 18:39.42 | Danar | /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum: No such file or directory |
| 18:39.43 | Overand | for future refrence, i found the name of the app, works fine |
| 18:39.47 | Overand | it's called xrandr |
| 18:39.54 | Overand | xrandr -s 1024x768 (or whatever) |
| 18:39.56 | Danar | if i don't have it, will it work or not? |
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| 18:40.50 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: that 21" NEC Multisync 6FG is going to die someday.. its really really old, and it was broken when I first got it.. the company was throwing it out.. I guess they used the big assed monitor at incredibly low resolutions, because at higher resolutions it almost never misbehaves.. but you have to keep it at 1024x768 or above |
| 18:40.50 | asg | Danar: create an empty file and then follow the factoid instructions |
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| 18:41.08 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I've had it for some 5 years or so now |
| 18:41.10 | paulswm | d34l3r: I assume so, but don't know for sure as I've never installed it, not many people use the Hurd kernel I suspect |
| 18:41.11 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Weird. So no Ctrl-Alt-F1 for you. |
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| 18:41.39 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I can go to console, but sometimes it shakes violently.. it just only does it at low res |
| 18:41.50 | d34l3r | paulswm: thanks dude |
| 18:41.53 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: so if I keep it at 1024x768 or better I never see it happening |
| 18:41.58 | paulswm | d34l3r: yw |
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| 18:42.13 | ricky_clarkson | I use 1024x768, keeps me happy. |
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| 18:42.51 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I got 1600x1280 right now.. though my terminal font is 12x24 |
| 18:43.01 | Danar | asg: er, the intructions are just to check if the md5sum is different, and since it's an empty file, it's obvious they are |
| 18:43.21 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I maximise everything anyway. |
| 18:43.56 | ricky_clarkson | For things that support it, I even fullscreen them. |
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| 18:44.32 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: I typically match everything, and have it ignored, and skipped (in tasklist, windowlist, and cycle) and in most cases even have the focus model changed to enter-exit |
| 18:44.49 | nvz | I only use click focus for windows that are actively managed |
| 18:44.58 | asg | Danar: right. You said you didn't have a /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 18:45.14 | Danar | asg: right... |
| 18:45.24 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I don't use the mouse enough to care. |
| 18:45.44 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: yeah I didnt either//. but I started sitting close enough to my pc to reach the mouse now |
| 18:46.02 | Danar | asg: but an empty file will give a null md5, which obviously isn't going to match the md5 of the config file |
| 18:46.13 | asg | Danar: no, it won't |
| 18:46.22 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: the big problem for me was trying to stay comfortable on the couch with 2 AT keyboard coil extensions and have to reach for the mouse |
| 18:46.28 | nvz | now that I can reach it, I use it mroe |
| 18:46.28 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: I don't like moving my hand from the keyboard. |
| 18:46.29 | Danar | asg: i was wondering if dpkg-reconfigure would work if there were no file |
| 18:46.38 | asg | Danar: rob:~# touch XF86Config-4 |
| 18:46.39 | asg | rob:~# md5sum XF86Config-4 |
| 18:46.39 | asg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e XF86Config-4 |
| 18:47.07 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: One really impressive feature of Windows is that you can pretty much do *everything* without using the mouse. |
| 18:47.08 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: yeah well a good WM will makeup for however you feel that day. screen, ion, and sawfish seem to be the best |
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| 18:47.21 | asg | ricky_clarkson: s/Windows/ion/ |
| 18:47.38 | ricky_clarkson | I use metacity. |
| 18:47.42 | nvz | eww |
| 18:47.46 | MobyTurbo | s/Windows/Ratpoison |
| 18:47.50 | nvz | megashitty :P |
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| 18:48.15 | ricky_clarkson | I read it as me-tacity. Had to parse you a couple of times then, nvz ;) |
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| 18:48.21 | ricky_clarkson | meh-tacity |
| 18:48.22 | nvz | I love sawfish because anyhting that becomes uncomfortable is easy to change. |
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| 18:48.28 | Danar | asg: my XF86Config-4 is NOT empty... |
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| 18:48.49 | claude0 | how can i set the zsh as the standard shell? |
| 18:48.50 | Danar | asg: i said i only didn't have the .md5sum file |
| 18:48.55 | ricky_clarkson | claude0: chsh |
| 18:48.59 | MobyTurbo | ricky_clarkson: meta-city is probably correct, though who knows what it means |
| 18:49.11 | ricky_clarkson | MobyTurbo: The docs specify. |
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| 18:49.25 | efti | MobyTurbo: I have solved the problem with the gtk widgets in openoffice. I needed to export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk oowriter |
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| 18:49.37 | efti | MobyTurbo: just in case you cared :) |
| 18:49.44 | claude0 | ricky_clarkson: thank you |
| 18:50.18 | nvz | I still havent located the problem with the icons in teh synaptic toolbar. it puzzles me, because after looking through the code, I want to believe the problem isnt with synaptic.. but all other gtkapps with the same toolbar setup work fine |
| 18:50.23 | MobyTurbo | efti: cool |
| 18:50.24 | dan|el | where do all the default flags to gcc get defined? is there a make.conf for debian? |
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| 18:50.53 | chugga | !acx100 |
| 18:51.03 | chugga | is there such a package? |
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| 18:51.14 | Danar | anyone know what the last update to synaptic changed? |
| 18:51.24 | ricky_clarkson | Danar: apt-listchanges |
| 18:51.33 | VoX | whats the syntax to search the filesystem for *foobar* ? |
| 18:51.38 | Danar | cause now it always says Download rate: unknown |
| 18:51.40 | nvz | dan|el: you do realize debian is a binary distro and doesnt compile everything you install right? |
| 18:51.46 | chugga | can someone search for acx and tell me if hteres a package |
| 18:51.48 | greycat | VoX: man find |
| 18:51.49 | dondelelcaro | VoX: find / -type f -iname '*foobar*'; |
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| 18:51.52 | dondelelcaro | VoX: info find; |
| 18:51.57 | paulswm | chugga: apt-cache search |
| 18:51.58 | dan|el | nvz: does that answer my question in any way at all? |
| 18:51.59 | solomonn | anyone know how old and/or outdated debian-installer rc2 is compared to daily images? |
| 18:52.00 | greycat | !kill info(1) |
| 18:52.06 | chugga | paulswm, yeah, can you do that |
| 18:52.09 | nvz | dan|el: nope, just checking. |
| 18:52.12 | ricky_clarkson | chugga: Debian doesn't seem to know what this acx100 is. |
| 18:52.16 | greycat | solomonn: why does it MATTER? you have to update anyway. |
| 18:52.19 | chugga | blah, ok. cheers. |
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| 18:52.32 | dan|el | nvz: well, it should compile things I want to install. I think you know that too |
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| 18:52.43 | nvz | dan|el: I thought you might think debian works like gentoo, and there was a file somewhere to change the cflags on all your apps so they go faster.. heh |
| 18:52.52 | paulswm | chugga: or you can search at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 18:53.12 | tub | solomonn: not very old, I just installed it couple of days ago and when updated it downloaded about 100mb |
| 18:53.16 | ricky_clarkson | dan|el: You could apt-get source gcc |
| 18:53.20 | solomonn | greycat: if the daily is much newer i will try it purely out of curiosity |
| 18:53.24 | dondelelcaro | tub: have you read /topic yet? |
| 18:53.41 | paulswm | chugga: ther's an acx100-source in sarge |
| 18:53.46 | greycat | solomonn: #debian-boot would be the place to ask |
| 18:53.49 | McKeijan | Algun Chat en Español, o españoles en este chat? |
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| 18:54.00 | nvz | McKeijan: /j #debian-es |
| 18:54.02 | Danar | ricky_clarkson: man apt-listchanges implies it only looks for changes newer than the installed version... |
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| 18:54.28 | solomonn | greycat: i don't really want to pester them, i presume they are there for development and testing discussion |
| 18:54.29 | dan|el | nvz: I'm having a problem compiling something because it's passing flags which my gcc don't support. I thought maybe it had been tweaked somehow. I don't admin the machine, you see |
| 18:54.35 | Danar | ricky_clarkson: and it says it can't find synaptic |
| 18:54.35 | greycat | dan|el: "it should compile things I want to install..."?? Are you a Gentooist? |
| 18:54.38 | jstevens | !es |
| 18:54.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:54.40 | jetscreamer | is that tub like sid tub? |
| 18:54.42 | solomonn | greycat: this is pretty much the place to pester debian people with questions they don't have to answer if they don't want :P |
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| 18:54.59 | ricky_clarkson | Danar: Ok, read the second paragraph in the man page. |
| 18:55.01 | efti | bye all |
| 18:55.04 | nvz | McKeijan: hablamos ingles aqui. Si nessicito ayudar en espanol, por favor usen #debian-es. |
| 18:55.05 | dan|el | greycat: dammit man, you've atleast followed the conversation and seen rrdtool isn't working for me. I just wanted to compile it |
| 18:55.17 | dan|el | as the package isn't working |
| 18:55.38 | greycat | dan|el: how is the package failing? is it in the BTS? |
| 18:55.51 | Danar | ricky_clarkson: er, right... so i don't see how it can help me |
| 18:55.54 | greycat | dan|el: and why didn't you just take out that pentium3 optimization flag that doesn't exist? |
| 18:56.15 | ricky_clarkson | Danar: IT TELLS YOU WHERE TO LOOK FOR THE CHANGES |
| 18:56.23 | ricky_clarkson | Oops, the capital letters are out. |
| 18:56.27 | ricky_clarkson | Must be time to go home. |
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| 18:57.02 | dan|el | greycat: that's what I was trying to do, but I wasn't sure where to take it out |
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| 18:57.24 | dan|el | greycat: anyway, I managed to compile it |
| 18:57.28 | CarlosAlex | If I copy all files from /var/cache/apt/archives I can install them in a new computer formated with debian new installation? |
| 18:57.30 | dan|el | but it's still broken |
| 18:57.34 | greycat | dan|el: it's either in your environment (if you installed pentium-builder or something), or you edited the makefile by hand, or you passed it as a flag to ./configure, etc. |
| 18:57.45 | dan|el | weird that the same version works on freebsd and not on debian |
| 18:57.54 | greycat | dan|el: in any case, it's something YOU did. it's not something Debian would do without your participation. |
| 18:58.23 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: you too eh? |
| 18:58.24 | dan|el | greycat: it's not something *I* did, because I'm not the admin of the machine. I don't know what someone else might have done. that's what I was trying to figure out |
| 18:58.26 | dan|el | :) |
| 18:58.37 | DJ-KING | debian:/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/misc# modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 18:58.37 | DJ-KING | FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 18:58.43 | paulswm | see ya ricky_clarkson |
| 18:58.45 | greycat | dan|el: ask them. |
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| 18:58.49 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: i'm sick f seeing that crap. fucking aol proxies... |
| 18:58.49 | DJ-KING | have anybody faced that before ? |
| 18:58.59 | dan|el | it's a moot point since I got it to compile anyway |
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| 18:59.05 | dan|el | and it still doesn't work |
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| 18:59.10 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 18:59.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:59.33 | fuat | does anyone know why qt's man pages are not well formated on debian? |
| 19:00.01 | dan|el | Can one of you guys who has rrdtool on unstable try this for me: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HFMoqF84.html |
| 19:00.25 | CarlosAlex | If I copy all files from /var/cache/apt/archives I can install them in a new computer formated with debian new installation? |
| 19:00.31 | Yo_ | Someone know how to install IRDA in debian sarge? |
| 19:00.51 | jetscreamer | i beat aol! |
| 19:01.02 | simonrvn | i'm sure someone does |
| 19:01.10 | simonrvn | Yo_: i'm sure someone does |
| 19:01.10 | asg | jetscreamer: I only got to level 1 before dying of boredom |
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| 19:01.22 | jetscreamer | yeah but i got paid for it :) |
| 19:01.47 | nvz | whats aol? |
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| 19:01.54 | Yo_ | I have the kernel configurated |
| 19:02.07 | *** part/#debian Bluescreen (~noone@32.107.0.54) |
| 19:02.14 | jetscreamer | and i got to tell linksys and aol tech support that i'm a god and THEY SUCK!!!(well not in so many words but :) ) |
| 19:02.38 | nvz | I dont know if my panel locked up or if its just wnck-applet |
| 19:02.48 | nvz | but I cannot switch workspaces anymore from the panel |
| 19:02.53 | CarlosAlex | How do I install the same packages in a new computer? Those packages were installed in another one |
| 19:03.05 | Danar | the changelog doesn't say what was changed, it just says: * New svn snapshot |
| 19:03.07 | abrotman | !tell CarlosAlex about debian clone |
| 19:03.10 | nvz | ah, I figured it out.. must have had misplaced focus |
| 19:03.21 | Danar | does anyone else get Download rate: Unkown with synaptic? |
| 19:03.25 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, you mean you want to take the list of installed packages off one computer and use it to install the same packages on another |
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| 19:03.29 | tuxipuxi | when using alsa, is there more to be done than loading a different driver module when switching the sound card? |
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| 19:04.07 | jetscreamer | !tell me about debian clone |
| 19:04.14 | Kerr | how would i go about usin' my debian box as a gateway? |
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| 19:04.32 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 19:04.40 | nvz | jetscreamer: I think you would know how to /msg dpkg by now |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:04.51 | abrotman | nvz: me too eh? |
| 19:04.57 | dirthead | I am running Debian Woody on my servers. I have a user that exists in my passwd file but does not have a shadow password. I cannot create one with passwd. How do I get around this? |
| 19:05.00 | jetscreamer | tuxipuxi, in like gnome or kde, there is a setting to change |
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| 19:05.09 | greycat | dan|el: when I run that on my openbsd box (after fixing up all the whitspace), I get ERROR: seek error in RRA |
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| 19:05.11 | nvz | abrotman: well you were at least telling someone else |
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| 19:05.16 | abrotman | nvz: oh o |
| 19:05.17 | abrotman | k |
| 19:05.26 | greycat | dan|el: because obviously there's no data in it yet. |
| 19:05.54 | nvz | abrotman: its come to my attention some peole take great offense to the bots telling them things, so a /msg is better even then.. telling them to /msg the bot |
| 19:05.56 | Esaj | does anyone have a .deb or .rpm for Intel VTune? |
| 19:06.05 | dan|el | greycat: nope, let me prove it to you |
| 19:06.12 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: really? couldn't find one in kcontrol |
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| 19:06.20 | valdyn_ | Kerr: gateway to? |
| 19:06.23 | Esaj | or alternatively access to a redhat/suse machine to create a .rpm for me :) |
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| 19:06.49 | jetscreamer | arts might deal with that, not sure.... i don't know kde well, just seen a selection area |
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| 19:06.58 | CarlosAlex | jetscreamer, Im clonning now. thank you so much |
| 19:07.07 | abrotman | nvz: right .. i've seen it .. but well .. tough .. they asked for help :) |
| 19:07.17 | CarlosAlex | And, Im writing all tips got here |
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| 19:07.20 | dan|el | greycat: try it with this line (subset of what you just did) rrdtool create test.rrd -b 315532800 -s 30 DS:rrqm_s:GAUGE:300:U:U DS:wrqm_s:GAUGE:300:U:U DS:r_s:GAUGE:300:U:U RRA:AVERAGE:0.5:1:1440 |
| 19:07.20 | jetscreamer | thank abrotman |
| 19:07.28 | abrotman | nvz: but i would like to know how many of them have conversations with dpkg in msg :) |
| 19:07.30 | dan|el | greycat: and do the fetch on that test.rrd |
| 19:07.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yeah . me! |
| 19:07.42 | gilles | all the icons of my desktop have disappeared, i checked in root mode after a reboot, but nothing in the directory anymore, i tried to recover the lost files with "recover" but it said inodes not found. Do I have another way to recover my file, and where could that pb come from ? |
| 19:07.44 | dsf | I just installed Debian and Xserver.. but how should I do to stert XSERVER ? |
| 19:07.50 | jetscreamer | startx |
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| 19:07.55 | tuxipuxi | jetscreamer: i'm asking because i currently use the onboard sound with the nforce driver. i'm now going to switch to my old 4.1 card in order to use alsa, but maybe i will upgrade to a nice new card and don't want to mess too much then |
| 19:08.01 | jetscreamer | but you may not really have what you want |
| 19:08.04 | greycat | dan|el: a whole shitload of 1109185470: NaN NaN NaN |
| 19:08.05 | CarlosAlex | This channel is the best place into internet |
| 19:08.18 | dan|el | greycat: yeah, that's what I expected to see with the first one too |
| 19:08.22 | greycat | RRDtool 1.0.40 Copyright 1997-2001 by Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch> |
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| 19:08.26 | dsf | jethro do I have to install KDE or sumthin also? |
| 19:08.28 | greycat | again, this is on my openbsd box. |
| 19:08.37 | dsf | jetscreamer do I have to install KDE or sumthin also? |
| 19:08.40 | dan|el | ok, so it seems to be a rrdtool prob rather than debian |
| 19:08.46 | greycat | I'm probably not even running a recent port, let alone a close-to-recent upstream rrdtool release. |
| 19:08.51 | slocate | freenode~MobyTurbo: does angland do graphics? |
| 19:08.52 | jetscreamer | dsf no, not if you apt-got all you need |
| 19:09.05 | jetscreamer | dsf but twm isn't the most popular |
| 19:09.10 | dan|el | greycat: the latest port seems to work on my freebsd box |
| 19:09.25 | dan|el | but that doesn't help me much |
| 19:09.26 | dsf | What do i have to type in to install kde? "apt-get kde" <---? |
| 19:09.26 | jetscreamer | dsf so you might want to get kde or gnome or something |
| 19:09.39 | MobyTurbo | slocate: angband, not angland. Angband can use X, but I don't know if it does tiling |
| 19:09.41 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kde.. but is this woody or sarge or what |
| 19:09.46 | greycat | hmm, /usr/ports/*/rrdtool/Makefile says 1.0.48, so I'm at least 0.0.08 behind the -stable port :) |
| 19:09.53 | dan|el | people are playing Angband? |
| 19:10.02 | dsf | jetscreamer 3.0 r4 |
| 19:10.06 | greycat | dan|el: the variants are probably more popular |
| 19:10.42 | slocate | freenode~MobyTurbo: i meant like more then text |
| 19:10.43 | jetscreamer | dsf you probably won't like woody for x, if this is a desktop you really probably want sarge.. and if so you should upgrade before installing new stuff.. but that's up to you |
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| 19:11.03 | dan|el | greycat: like nethack? :) |
| 19:11.09 | CarlosAlex | dsf, sarge is the best choice |
| 19:11.18 | dan|el | i played all I could get my hands on |
| 19:11.27 | greycat | !angband |
| 19:11.27 | dpkg | angband is probably a single-player, text-based, dungeon simulation. [non-free] ; see(angband-doc) |
| 19:11.28 | CarlosAlex | its really fantastic to use in desktop |
| 19:11.32 | greycat | bah! worthless factoid. |
| 19:11.37 | dan|el | !moria |
| 19:11.37 | jetscreamer | !tell dsf about woody->sarge |
| 19:11.42 | dan|el | !nethack |
| 19:11.42 | dpkg | nethack is, like, a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack |
| 19:11.43 | jetscreamer | if you want to, there's how |
| 19:11.47 | CarlosAlex | !tell |
| 19:11.49 | MobyTurbo | dan|el: nethack is not an angband varient. It is, however, a roguelike. |
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| 19:11.53 | Yo_ | Someone command to know how port use mi IRDA? |
| 19:11.56 | stew | angband will soon be moving from non-free to free :) |
| 19:12.02 | greycat | stew: yay! |
| 19:12.16 | CarlosAlex | !tell about woody->sarge |
| 19:12.33 | CarlosAlex | !tell CarlosAlex about woody->sarge |
| 19:12.39 | MobyTurbo | I like Dungeon Crawl (apt-get crawl) which incidentally is already in free. |
| 19:12.42 | dan|el | MobyTurbo: "angband is probably a single-player, text-based, dungeon simulation." - that still describes the genre |
| 19:13.10 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, /msg dpkg or !tell me works |
| 19:13.15 | greycat | dpkg, no, angband is a single-player roguelike game (dungeon hack-and-slash) based on Moria, with countless variants of its own. See <http://www.thangorodrim.net/> or <http://angband.oook.cz/> for details. Currently non-free due to a "no profit allowed" clause in its license, but attempting to transition to GPL. |
| 19:13.15 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:13.23 | MobyTurbo | dan|el: angband is best known for having many varients, angband-based games. |
| 19:13.29 | dan|el | tell dpkg about moria too |
| 19:13.31 | voldy | so can i pipe tar straight into gpg? or is that a bad idea? |
| 19:13.34 | abrotman | !moria |
| 19:13.37 | dxd | Kerr: you need to edit /etc/network/options; and if using iptables do 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $INET_IFACE -j SNAT --to $INET_IP' where INET is external |
| 19:13.40 | MobyTurbo | dan|el: zangband, oangband, tome, zangband, the list goes on. |
| 19:13.47 | greycat | dpkg, moria is a very old roguelike game, best known these days as the precedessor of Angband. |
| 19:13.47 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:13.55 | dan|el | !google moria |
| 19:13.57 | greycat | gods, I spelled that horribly. |
| 19:13.57 | dxd | omega |
| 19:14.00 | dan|el | hmm |
| 19:14.02 | dan|el | http://www.piratehaven.org/~beej/moria/ |
| 19:14.04 | greycat | dpkg, no, moria is a very old roguelike game, best known these days as the predecessor of Angband. |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:14.06 | dpkg | Google says moria is at http://www.piratehaven.org/~beej/moria/ or http://www.libraryofmoria.com/ or http://www.moriapoetry.com/ or http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/moria/ or http://www-math.bgsu.edu/~grabine/moria.html |
| 19:14.09 | CarlosAlex | Im learning use some another resources of xchat |
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| 19:15.01 | CarlosAlex | Now, I have the last challenge today. Install a softmodem in debian sarge |
| 19:15.04 | dan|el | MobyTurbo: you forgot fangband (that's the one I played) :P |
| 19:15.20 | dan|el | well, I guess "list goes on" is a good enough catchall |
| 19:15.35 | MobyTurbo | greycat: don't forget Dungeon Crawl, the roguelike that is DFSG complient. |
| 19:15.56 | greycat | nethack is also Free. |
| 19:16.23 | MobyTurbo | greycat: really? I thought it wasn't for some reason. |
| 19:16.28 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, linmodems.org |
| 19:16.30 | greycat | I never cared for Crawl much. Too arbitrary and luck-requiring and buggy (but it's been a few years). |
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| 19:16.42 | MobyTurbo | greycat: you're right. |
| 19:16.45 | voldy | anybody ever pipe tar straight into gpg to encrypt a whole directory in one rather than two steps? or is that bad/risky? |
| 19:16.53 | EvanCarroll | using debian do you have to compile mod perl for it to work? |
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| 19:17.03 | EvanCarroll | or can you just use the deb |
| 19:17.14 | MobyTurbo | (about the DFSG nature of nethack - not about crawl. :-) ) |
| 19:17.34 | CarlosAlex | jetscreamer, Im looking for some details in that site |
| 19:17.55 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 19:18.12 | CarlosAlex | Is it online? |
| 19:18.13 | jetscreamer | most of the modems i've tried to get working didn't |
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| 19:18.27 | toubsu | what file compression utils are current? |
| 19:18.56 | dxd | toubsu, gzip bzip2 |
| 19:18.56 | greycat | huh? |
| 19:18.57 | SpamHog | Evan: not sure I understood what I did... yesterday I apt-got perl but then issues commands to get modules from CPAN & took 1/2 a life to churn each. |
| 19:19.04 | jetscreamer | afaik the site is online |
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| 19:19.31 | toubsu | dxd: im talking about automatic file system compression |
| 19:19.36 | CarlosAlex | Ive got (101) Network is unreachable |
| 19:19.52 | jetscreamer | i got the main page just now |
| 19:19.59 | EvanCarroll | SpamHog: I'm have lots and lots of problems getting mod-perl to run on w/ debian packages, i have followed te direction on masonhq nothing is working |
| 19:20.04 | EvanCarroll | im getting segmentation faults |
| 19:20.08 | dxd | toubsu: oh, i shoulda made the 'huh' sound like greycat did |
| 19:20.22 | jetscreamer | http://linmodems.org/ <--working |
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| 19:20.48 | CarlosAlex | hummmm Im in problem then |
| 19:20.52 | EvanCarroll | SpamHog: www.evancarroll.com/strace.log, for my strace; www.evancarroll.com/apace2.conf for my apache configuration file, and www.evancarroll.com/error.log for my appache error log |
| 19:20.55 | PuGz | accidently overwrote my /etc/modules... whats the default one that comes with debian? |
| 19:20.57 | MobyTurbo | toubsu: you're refering to defragging? It isn't needed in Linux file systems. |
| 19:21.07 | CarlosAlex | Im in another sites, but not in linmodems |
| 19:21.11 | jetscreamer | pugz, the default one is empty |
| 19:21.23 | PuGz | jetscreamer, damn... |
| 19:21.23 | jetscreamer | just a couple comments |
| 19:21.27 | PuGz | mine wasnt |
| 19:21.28 | SpamHog | EvanCarroll: u're way ahead of me... sry can't hlp |
| 19:21.34 | toubsu | MobyTurbo: referring to something like e2compr, but that looks like it might be outdated |
| 19:21.41 | jetscreamer | PuGz, modconf will load the modules and put entries in /etc/modules |
| 19:21.52 | jetscreamer | but it's not installed by default with d-i anymore |
| 19:22.21 | CarlosAlex | strange, all my network setup is Ok |
| 19:22.23 | jetscreamer | actually, woody will put af-packet iirc, and maybe one other |
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| 19:23.17 | MobyTurbo | toubsu: with the cost of today's hard drives, I don't think that compressed file systems are needed. |
| 19:23.25 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, see if yo can ping it |
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| 19:23.40 | jetscreamer | CarlosAlex, with the ip |
| 19:24.05 | CarlosAlex | No |
| 19:24.06 | jetscreamer | wish i could afford a new hd |
| 19:24.33 | CarlosAlex | No using linmodems.org neither IP |
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| 19:24.36 | Rambo3 | newer!=better , hah now just java missing |
| 19:24.42 | PuGz | btw, why does my debian boot take a while, and it seems to try and load quite a few modules, but fail... such as shpchp |
| 19:24.47 | karim | hi, I try to change alternatives for java IBM |
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| 19:24.57 | karim | however there is a problem |
| 19:25.02 | jetscreamer | PuGz, that 'may' be hotplug doing that |
| 19:25.03 | Rambo3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.07 | greycat | a sarge boot is *extremely* noisy. |
| 19:25.10 | PuGz | jetscreamer, i think it is |
| 19:25.11 | karim | when I run java from a symlink it works |
| 19:25.20 | greycat | karim: /msg dpkg java |
| 19:25.23 | PuGz | jetscreamer, how can i fix that? |
| 19:25.29 | karim | but when it's a symlink that point to a symlink that point to the exe it doesn't work |
| 19:25.30 | jetscreamer | PuGz, you can 'blacklist' modules so hotplug doesn't try to load them |
| 19:25.38 | jetscreamer | also same for discover |
| 19:25.49 | PuGz | how can i find out which i need to blacklist and how do i then do it? |
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| 19:26.00 | greycat | PuGz: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 19:26.01 | karim | greycat, you don't even know what I am asking |
| 19:26.08 | MobyTurbo | karim: use update-alternatives to change what's in /etc/alternatives |
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| 19:26.18 | jetscreamer | PuGz, i don't know... i just compile what i need into the kernel. |
| 19:26.21 | PuGz | greycat, cheers |
| 19:26.22 | karim | MobyTurbo, I know, I used that |
| 19:26.29 | jetscreamer | and --purge hotplug |
| 19:26.35 | greycat | karim: bullshit. you have an upstream locally-installed java and you didn't Debianize it, and now you have problems. /msg dpkg java |
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| 19:26.44 | PuGz | jetscreamer, so u compile ur own kernel? i was thinking of doing that... is that ok to do? |
| 19:26.47 | MobyTurbo | karim: then something else is fouled up |
| 19:26.49 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 19:26.51 | karim | MobyTurbo, however the java binary seems lost when he is run from chained symlinks |
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| 19:27.08 | PuGz | jetscreamer, might do that then |
| 19:27.21 | MobyTurbo | karim: they're right, debianize it and your problems will go away. |
| 19:27.26 | jetscreamer | PuGz, initrd stuff is the most common first time kernel compile error afaik |
| 19:27.29 | karim | greycat, it's the IBM java not the sun java |
| 19:27.32 | PuGz | jetscreamer, u know how cdrecord got broken in 2.6.8.1? was that fixed by 2.6.9? |
| 19:27.33 | jetscreamer | so know thy initrd |
| 19:27.36 | greycat | karim: so WHAT? |
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| 19:27.49 | jetscreamer | PuGz, no idea.. mine works, all i know. |
| 19:27.57 | MobyTurbo | karim: you can debianize IBM Java too. |
| 19:28.03 | karim | greycat, it doesn't work, the scripts are for SUN |
| 19:28.12 | karim | with wich scripts ? |
| 19:28.21 | PuGz | jetscreamer, i have compiled kernels before.... plenty of times... just never on debian.... i wouldnt need an initrd for a self compiled kernel would i? |
| 19:28.25 | MobyTurbo | karim: then apt-get the ibm scripts |
| 19:28.30 | CarlosAlex | jetscreamer, do you know what is happening in my one? |
| 19:28.31 | PuGz | as long as i put ext3 as being built in? |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | "scripts". jesus fucking christ on a stick. |
| 19:28.41 | CarlosAlex | Or could tell me where find tip to my problem |
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| 19:28.51 | PuGz | jetscreamer, wat kernel u use? |
| 19:28.59 | resiak | !wat |
| 19:29.00 | resiak | !u |
| 19:29.00 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:29.00 | karim | MobyTurbo, there is none |
| 19:29.01 | jetscreamer | no you wouldn't, just comment out the reference to initrd in the bootloader, and don't supply make-kpkg with the --initrd switch |
| 19:29.01 | CarlosAlex | I have no rules in firewall using iptables |
| 19:29.02 | stew | karim: you are wrong |
| 19:29.22 | tuxipuxi | after a reboot X doesn't start anymore. just before reboot i started a new xserver and it worked.. anybody an idea what could cause the problems shown in http://tuxipuxi.org/files/XFree86.1.log ? thanks in advance |
| 19:29.23 | karim | stew, so what ? I am not here to be right |
| 19:29.31 | CarlosAlex | Im using internet with a proxy server (squid) |
| 19:29.37 | greycat | karim: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:29.41 | greycat | karim: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:29.41 | PuGz | jetscreamer, what kernel do you use? |
| 19:29.43 | stew | karim: i just thought you might want to know that you are wrong about the scripts only being for sun |
| 19:29.43 | resiak | !wat is <reply> WHAT. There's an h in there. If you say wat, people laugh. See also wot. |
| 19:29.43 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 19:29.55 | jetscreamer | PuGz, also man kernel-pkg.conf 2.6.10.5.8610.777 btw |
| 19:29.59 | karim | stew, thanks for the info |
| 19:30.04 | grigora | which package creates the /dev entries? |
| 19:30.13 | resiak | udev |
| 19:30.17 | jetscreamer | PuGz, and do make-kpkg --targets when in the source dir |
| 19:30.33 | dvs | grigora: /dev/MAKEDEV |
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| 19:30.42 | stew | !wat is also a Bhuddist temple |
| 19:30.42 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 19:30.44 | CarlosAlex | this is in /var/log/squid/access.log |
| 19:30.47 | CarlosAlex | 1109187633.021 206 192.168.80.3 TCP_MISS/503 1334 GET http://linmodems.org/ - NONE/- text/html |
| 19:30.48 | resiak | !wot |
| 19:30.48 | dpkg | It's 'what', you idiot |
| 19:30.50 | resiak | :D |
| 19:30.52 | PuGz | jetscreamer, why am i doing all these things? whats wrong with make all; make modules_install; make install ? |
| 19:31.09 | resiak | !wot =~ s/ot/ot. See also wat./ |
| 19:31.09 | dpkg | resiak: OK |
| 19:31.10 | grigora | resiak: on 2.4 series, udev only works with 2.6 doesn't it |
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| 19:31.17 | stew | !dict wot |
| 19:31.23 | dpkg | Dictionary 'wot' (3 shown): . Wot \Wot\, 1st & 3d pers. sing. pres. of Wit, to know. See the Note under Wit, v. [Obs.] ;; Weet \Weet\, v. i. [imp. Wot.] [See Wit to know.] To know; to wit. [Obs.] --Tyndale. Spenser. ;; Brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it. --Acts iii. 17.. |
| 19:31.23 | jetscreamer | PuGz, nothing, cept make-kpkg creates a kernel-image.deb in ../ |
| 19:31.35 | resiak | grigora: I have NFI |
| 19:31.42 | jetscreamer | PuGz, either/or |
| 19:31.45 | PuGz | oh.... dont think i will bother |
| 19:31.50 | grigora | dvs: thanks, I ran MAKEDEV, but somehow I am getting errors because something is wrong with my /dev/null |
| 19:31.52 | PuGz | thanks tho |
| 19:31.56 | resiak | grigora: If you have udev installed, you're probably using it. If you don't, you're not. |
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| 19:32.10 | jetscreamer | gnome depends on udev i think |
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| 19:32.17 | dvs | grigora: What error are you getting? |
| 19:32.20 | grigora | resiak: can udev work with 2.4.27? |
| 19:32.21 | directhex | the gnome metapackage does, yes |
| 19:32.25 | PuGz | jetscreamer, just curious... no real reason: what wm do you use? |
| 19:32.28 | jetscreamer | err metapackag |
| 19:32.32 | resiak | grigora: I have NFI, as I just said. |
| 19:32.47 | jetscreamer | PuGz, my favoirite is icewm, i'll use gnone a lot, and kde sometimes |
| 19:32.53 | PuGz | cool |
| 19:32.56 | grigora | dvs: ERROR: Couldn't open /dev/null (Read-only file system) |
| 19:33.03 | grigora | resiak: what's NFI? |
| 19:33.03 | tuxipuxi | anybody an idea? it's really a baad problem :/ |
| 19:33.05 | jetscreamer | me even |
| 19:33.07 | resiak | !nfi |
| 19:33.07 | dpkg | i guess nfi is No Fucking Idea |
| 19:33.12 | PuGz | jetscreamer, i find icewm a little boring... how do i spice it up? |
| 19:33.20 | dvs | grigora: What command are you using? |
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| 19:33.32 | abrotman | PuGz: put a dress on it |
| 19:33.41 | jetscreamer | themes, learning about it's startup scripts and prefs and menus |
| 19:33.52 | jetscreamer | it's really kinda subtle |
| 19:33.55 | directhex | paprika. |
| 19:34.01 | jetscreamer | cayenne |
| 19:34.08 | PuGz | abrotman, nice |
| 19:34.11 | grigora | dvs: it happens when /etc/rcS.d/S02mountvirtfs get executed |
| 19:34.31 | PuGz | cool |
| 19:34.39 | jetscreamer | yeah you put a picture of a chili as background :p |
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| 19:36.04 | MobyTurbo | my stepmother from Louisianna has a bundle of peppers drying in the kitchen |
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| 19:36.20 | tuxipuxi | cartman! |
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| 19:36.24 | dxd | thats hot |
| 19:36.30 | cartman | hey tuxipuxi |
| 19:36.31 | MobyTurbo | s/the/her/ |
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| 19:39.32 | dvs | grigora: What does "ls -l /dev/null" say? |
| 19:39.33 | DeepB | hi, anyone knows if the new sarge installer allows an SSH or telnet server to take care of the installation at some point? |
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| 19:40.14 | DeepB | i need to install an OS at a remote location, there's only an operator there to insert a boot CD |
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| 19:41.13 | greycat | sounds like a job for a serial console. |
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| 19:42.17 | jazzanova_ | how do I know at what color depth i am running ? |
| 19:42.27 | stew | jazzanova_: xdpyinfo |
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| 19:42.37 | jazzanova_ | thank stew |
| 19:42.44 | dxd | DeepB: youll have to walk the operator through the initial install. after that you should have sshd to connect to |
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| 19:42.55 | douglas | my debian and windows box keep swapping 192 ips behind my vanilla linksys router and I have to change the portforwarding ips all the time. The way around this is to turn off dhcp on the router and specify an ip on etc/hosts? |
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| 19:43.20 | greycat | douglas: or tell the dhcp server to allocate a specific IP for a given MAC address. |
| 19:43.37 | ali7288 | static ip:-) |
| 19:43.38 | DeepB | dxd: i'm afraid that operator is a little retarted, but ok, i'll try and take that path |
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| 19:44.14 | grigora | DeepB: you can send them a knoppix CD and floppy with the networking info on it, the operator will have to execute one command (if I remember correctly), at which point you should have ssh access |
| 19:44.14 | jazzanova_ | i have two visual entries, one at TrueColor and one in DirectColor |
| 19:44.21 | douglas | greycat: and how do i get debian to tell me its mac address |
| 19:44.23 | jazzanova_ | what are these visual antries ? |
| 19:44.32 | dxd | DeepB: oooh... in that case the operator can only act as remote hands and eyes.. you must be familier with the install so that you can see it in your minds eye |
| 19:44.37 | greycat | douglas: ifconfig -a |
| 19:44.49 | jazzanova_ | it also says: depth: 16 planes. what are these planes ? |
| 19:44.52 | douglas | nice thanks |
| 19:44.55 | grigora | DeepB: once you have ssh access you can install Debian yourself |
| 19:45.03 | jazzanova_ | does it mean i runnig 16bit color depth ? |
| 19:45.17 | greycat | jazzanova_: they're full of demons and things. you have to cast Astral Traveling to get there. |
| 19:45.17 | macondo | i'm going to install woody, i'm planning on using backports.org repository for installing a couple of pakcages and a kernel, do i have to comment all the lines in my sources.list except the backport one and later on comment the backports and uncomment the woody ones? |
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| 19:45.26 | DeepB | grigora: humm.. live knoppix.. smart |
| 19:45.29 | grigora | DeepB: of course the best way to do this is to have serial access to the box |
| 19:45.49 | gust1 | :) |
| 19:46.02 | jazzanova_ | haha :) |
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| 19:46.48 | Maulkin | macondo: No. |
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| 19:47.01 | grigora | DeepB: check out https://www.grigorians.org/phpwiki/index.php/RemoteDebianInstallation, i wrote it a long time ago, but it still may be useful |
| 19:47.20 | macondo | Maulkin: no what? |
| 19:47.52 | DeepB | grigora: ty |
| 19:48.06 | grigora | DeepB: welcome |
| 19:48.14 | jetscreamer | macondo, find out about apt-pinning |
| 19:48.16 | Maulkin | macondo: No, you don't have to comment it out |
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| 19:48.48 | macondo | Thank you guys |
| 19:48.53 | frank | hello. i've got a problem mit kernel 2.6.x on debian. the top-command or ps aux doesn't show all subprocesses of applications like apache or mysqld. and now i'Ve 100 % cpu usage and couldn't see which process causes this. top shows 100 % usage but the top processes (5) only use 0.3 oder 0.2 of the cpu and the rest shows zero usage. |
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| 19:49.10 | CarlosAlex | 1109188320.647 907 192.168.80.3 TCP_DENIED/400 1529 GET error:missing-http-ident - NONE/- text/html |
| 19:49.10 | CarlosAlex | 1109188342.500 161 192.168.80.3 TCP_DENIED/400 1520 NONE error:unsupported-request-method - NONE/- text/html |
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| 19:52.28 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.31 | CarlosAlex | traceroute to linmodems.org (192.203.178.7), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 19:52.31 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.31 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:52.35 | idnar | what the heck |
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| 19:53.01 | CarlosAlex | traceroute to linmodems.org (192.203.178.7), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 19:53.04 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.04 | CarlosAlex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.04 | paulswm | CarlosAlex: please don't paste in channel |
| 19:53.06 | CarlosAlex | how solve it ? |
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| 19:53.07 | stew | CarlosAlex: how long have you been in this channel that you still don't know not to paste here? |
| 19:53.14 | CarlosAlex | sorry |
| 19:53.17 | greycat | no you're not. |
| 19:53.26 | greycat | you did it once, got kicked for it, then did it again with just one line less. |
| 19:53.40 | PuGz | about to compile the 2.6.8 kernel (i know 2.6.10 is out...)... any particular things i need selected? like /dev support maybe? |
| 19:53.49 | CarlosAlex | greycat, sorry for that |
| 19:53.55 | paulswm | !beat CarlosAlex |
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| 19:54.09 | CarlosAlex | !beat |
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| 19:54.44 | CarlosAlex | Im in a router problem, that its so difficult to solve |
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| 19:55.09 | PuGz | abrotman, do i need to include anything in particular in a self compiled kernel for debian 3.1? |
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| 19:55.27 | greycat | PuGz: if you have to ask, you should not be doing it. |
| 19:55.31 | abrotman | PuGz: well .. i have just no idea what you're even trying to do |
| 19:55.52 | vmstat | I using kernel 2.6.10. I want use racoon/ipsec with certificates. I want interconnecting two internet gateways. I create ceritficate for gateway A. I need create certificate for gateway B? or just copies certificate from gateway A to gateway B? |
| 19:55.53 | CarlosAlex | nobody can help me ? |
| 19:55.57 | abrotman | "if i want to do something hard .. do i have to read the directions?" |
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| 19:56.13 | jetscreamer | rtfm is my last resort |
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| 19:56.18 | abrotman | though . not exactly that hard |
| 19:56.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you don't even skim ? |
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| 19:56.34 | inc|freaky | hi all :) umm, how can i change the screen-resolution of the consoles? (f1, f2 ...) |
| 19:56.37 | jetscreamer | not if i don't have to |
| 19:56.45 | PuGz | serious, in some distributions you need to include /dev support in psuedo file systems in 2.6... in others you dont... i am unsure of debian... is that soo bad>? |
| 19:56.46 | inc|freaky | alt+f1 f.e. i mean |
| 19:57.02 | paulswm | I punch keys at random and then cry in here |
| 19:57.08 | jeffathehutt | has anyone in here had success installing debian with the i865PE chipset? |
| 19:57.10 | abrotman | PuGz: start with a working config maybe ? |
| 19:57.14 | PuGz | i have compile around 50 kernels before... not that that is heaps... but enough to say i have done it! |
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| 19:57.33 | b0ef | I'm looking at the 30" lcd here, http://www.apple.com/displays/ . It says it needs two dvi to drive it. I intend to use it with radeon 9250. It don't support that max resolution, but I'd like to drive it in something like 1280x800. Anyone done this?. I expect it should be working then? |
| 19:57.52 | abrotman | !qotd109 |
| 19:57.52 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
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| 19:58.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i bet that was in the docs :) |
| 19:58.07 | jetscreamer | damn i'm good |
| 19:58.15 | abrotman | !qotd42 |
| 19:58.15 | dpkg | well, qotd42 is * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 19:58.23 | Madjic | hi |
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| 19:58.33 | jetscreamer | yeah, that was a last resort... i had to rtfm |
| 19:58.40 | abrotman | heh |
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| 19:58.54 | CarlosAlex | please, dont ignore me |
| 19:59.02 | jetscreamer | i'm touched you have my qotd memorized though... j00 wub meh! |
| 19:59.03 | abrotman | i can't even guess ... |
| 19:59.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg listvals jetscreamer |
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| 19:59.19 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 19:59.24 | blujay | What is "xserver-xfree86 -12"? What's the -12 for? |
| 19:59.24 | abrotman | i'm not that good |
| 19:59.30 | greycat | [ohmygod]: this is an English speaking channel. |
| 19:59.42 | Kerr | dxd: /etc/network/options ? I've added the second nic to interfaces.. and /etc/default/dhcp, and edited the dhcp server conf, and started the server. what did i misss :-/ ? |
| 19:59.45 | abrotman | CarlosAlex: you didn't even describe your problem |
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| 19:59.59 | jazzanova_ | . |
| 20:00.07 | jorge_ | hola |
| 20:00.09 | jetscreamer | he can't ping out to linmodems.org even via ip |
| 20:00.12 | b0ef | make that 1920x1200 |
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| 20:00.13 | jazzanova_ | :) |
| 20:00.17 | jetscreamer | gets some squid error |
| 20:00.23 | Madjic | i have trouble making bootdisks for PPC |
| 20:00.28 | jetscreamer | on localnet |
| 20:00.48 | jetscreamer | probably when he tries to access the router for a dns lookup but i dunno |
| 20:01.16 | oKtosiTe | Where can I get information on making a custom Debian CD based on the netinstall disc? |
| 20:01.17 | dxd | Kerr: yup the part /etc/network/options that says 'ip_forward=no' |
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| 20:01.35 | jetscreamer | damn i just saw that factoid oKtosiTe |
| 20:01.38 | jetscreamer | dpkg knows |
| 20:01.38 | dpkg | jetscreamer: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:02.00 | dxd | Kerr: you need to change that to 'yes' |
| 20:02.05 | asg | oKtosiTe: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
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| 20:02.07 | Kerr | thanks :) |
| 20:02.08 | frank | nobody have any ideas? |
| 20:02.12 | oKtosiTe | asg thanks! |
| 20:02.17 | stew | !any ideas |
| 20:02.17 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen sex-crazed weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 20:02.34 | dxd | Kerr: and iptables rule.. dont forget that (if using iptables) |
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| 20:02.45 | Madjic | i downloaded the right files and put 'em on floppy, but the PPC does not boot from them |
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| 20:03.05 | stew | frank: are you swapping a lot? |
| 20:03.09 | dxd | dpkg: happy funtime! |
| 20:03.09 | dpkg | dxd: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 20:03.15 | frank | no nothing |
| 20:03.59 | frank | it seems that top hides some subprocesses of some daemons in 2.6. |
| 20:04.03 | abrotman | !roll your own netinst |
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| 20:04.07 | abrotman | hmmm |
| 20:04.09 | frank | anyone any idea how to show them? |
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| 20:04.22 | PS | hey guys |
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| 20:04.38 | ircleuse1 | hi |
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| 20:04.54 | jeffathehutt | does anyone in here know if debian will work with the i865PE chipset? |
| 20:04.55 | PS | got some probs with my wlan, i got an wl-112 pc card from sitecom |
| 20:04.57 | abrotman | !roll your own iso |
| 20:04.57 | dpkg | i guess roll your own iso is http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ which moved to: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 20:05.09 | frank | for example. ps aux | grep mysqld shows under kernel 2.4 about 15 processes, under 2.6 only 1 !! |
| 20:05.13 | PS | i got the chipset RT2500 installed, and the leds are burning on de lan card |
| 20:05.13 | abrotman | jeffathehutt: why wouldn't it? |
| 20:05.21 | dxd | frank: pstree -alp |
| 20:05.26 | PS | but iwlist scan wlan0, shows no AP's |
| 20:05.40 | jeffathehutt | abrotman, I think it would, but I don't want to buy hardware that won't work |
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| 20:05.52 | frank | dxd: with no sucess, also only one process |
| 20:06.01 | frank | the forked childs are missing |
| 20:06.06 | PS | but i got an router that is an AP so ... anyone knows what to do ? |
| 20:06.10 | abrotman | jeffathehutt: well .. what strange hardware does it have ? |
| 20:06.25 | jeffathehutt | it's just a chipset for the p4, i don't know much else about it |
| 20:06.29 | abrotman | jeffathehutt: maybe you should find out if the linux kernel works on it :) |
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| 20:06.46 | jeffathehutt | well that's really what i'm looking for, no one seems to know for sure if it does or not |
| 20:06.55 | abrotman | jeffathehutt: not even google ? |
| 20:06.55 | dxd | frank: pstree -lp has some forking childs for me.. |
| 20:07.07 | shingoki | Does anyone know if I can put in a request for "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" to have a warning added to description, saying it will destroy your gnome setup? |
| 20:07.09 | abrotman | !google i865PE linux |
| 20:07.16 | dpkg | Google says i865PE linux is at http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0308.0/0514.html or http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20030603/ or http://www.ntcompatible.com/story19843.html or http://www.ntcompatible.com/story19876.html or http://www.ntcompatible.com/story19720.html |
| 20:07.16 | uberf00 | re |
| 20:07.20 | jeffathehutt | i've searched all over, and all i can find it "maybe", i've asked in chatrooms and message boards, and i can't find a single person who got it to work |
| 20:07.22 | frank | dxd: could i post you some output lines in query? |
| 20:07.24 | jetscreamer | http://scyld.com/network.html might know |
| 20:07.30 | dxd | sure |
| 20:07.34 | abrotman | shingoki: wishlist bug ? |
| 20:07.36 | frank | dxd: thxs |
| 20:07.38 | uberf00 | did anyone successfully switch locale from isoblah15 to utf8? what happens to the special characters/umlauts on file system level (i.e. ext3)? |
| 20:07.41 | abrotman | shingoki: or a regular bug ? |
| 20:07.47 | blujay | PS: try kwificonfig...I think that's the name of it |
| 20:07.50 | oKtosiTe | asg: that only gives info on how to make an iso with a custom kernel. I want a cd with packages of my liking... any other pointers? |
| 20:07.57 | blujay | PS: or maybe it's kwifimanager |
| 20:07.57 | abrotman | abrotman |
| 20:07.58 | abrotman | not asg |
| 20:07.59 | shingoki | abrotman, It just does something awful so that you can't change gnome theme from gnome any more |
| 20:08.04 | shingoki | abrotman, or even font size |
| 20:08.11 | shingoki | abrotman, I would love to know how to fix up after it |
| 20:08.11 | blujay | PS: yeah it's kwifimanager |
| 20:08.12 | stew | shingoki: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:08.20 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: ah .. there we go .. uhm .. yes .. there is a way ... |
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| 20:08.32 | shingoki | abrotman, but it should be described as a "hideous hack" rather than a theme engine, it is WAY more than a theme engine |
| 20:08.33 | abrotman | shingoki: #gnome on irc.gnome.org .. dunno .. |
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| 20:08.46 | shingoki | there are some bugs, but they don't address it |
| 20:08.56 | PS | what does kwifimanager do ? |
| 20:09.06 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: uhm .. scan-packages or something |
| 20:09.08 | uberf00 | so no one did |
| 20:09.09 | greycat | what does apt-cache show say it does? |
| 20:09.09 | uberf00 | :( |
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| 20:09.40 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 20:10.00 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, nope |
| 20:10.04 | abrotman | yep |
| 20:10.07 | asg | oKtosiTe: try the bootcd package for making a custom livecd / livecd -> harddisk installer using a chroot |
| 20:10.18 | stew | shingoki: does removing it return you to your previous working state? |
| 20:10.26 | shingoki | stew, no |
| 20:10.28 | shingoki | far from it |
| 20:10.38 | oKtosiTe | I don't want to create packages either, just select the standard on my single installation CD with standard kernel :) |
| 20:10.39 | blujay | PS: it configures the card...just try it |
| 20:10.44 | shingoki | its just hideous, and should be removed with some kind of large flaming axe |
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| 20:10.47 | PS | i tried it |
| 20:10.56 | blujay | PS: and?? |
| 20:10.59 | stew | shingoki: do you know why? did it overwrite your settings? if it overwrites your settings without asking that would be a policy violation, i believe |
| 20:11.01 | PS | Scan for networks, still comes back with none |
| 20:11.14 | stew | shingoki: when i say remove i should say purge... |
| 20:11.14 | shingoki | if it is described as a theming engine, it should be a theming engine, not a theming engine and some config that messes up gnome |
| 20:11.19 | blujay | PS: have you googled for "linux $nameofyourcard"? |
| 20:11.19 | oKtosiTe | *standard packages |
| 20:11.19 | leonel | Have you seen Sarge ? Sarge ! Where are you ? |
| 20:11.29 | shingoki | stew - is that complete remove in synaptic? |
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| 20:11.41 | stew | shingoki: _ iirc |
| 20:11.41 | PS | yeah it has no drivers, but i figured out it had the rt2500 chipset |
| 20:11.49 | PS | so i installed that one with ndiswrapper |
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| 20:11.55 | shingoki | what a STUPID package |
| 20:12.02 | shingoki | it doesn't even do what it is meant to do very well |
| 20:12.06 | blujay | PS: um...that'd kind of an important piece of information that you didn't mention |
| 20:12.10 | shingoki | and it crashed a load of gnome apps on its way out |
| 20:12.11 | stew | shingoki: if it really overwrites your config files without asking then file a bug |
| 20:12.15 | PS | i'm sorry |
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| 20:12.17 | oKtosiTe | oh, my bad, abrotman, that was useful actually, should've read on |
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| 20:12.29 | stew | shingoki: if it crashing is repeatable, definately file a bug |
| 20:12.30 | blujay | PS: I've never used ndiswrapper, sorry...keep googling, maybe you'll find the answer |
| 20:12.32 | shingoki | stew, I would check but I need to work out what config files it changed |
| 20:12.34 | nvz | shingoki: yes complete removal is a purge |
| 20:12.38 | PS | tnx anyway :) |
| 20:12.41 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: i win :) |
| 20:12.52 | abrotman | shingoki: stop bitching here .. file a fucking bug |
| 20:12.56 | stew | shingoki: #gnome on irc.gnome.org might be more helpful in that regard |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | an RC bug even |
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| 20:13.11 | shingoki | ok bug |
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| 20:13.26 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, no, I do ;-) |
| 20:13.37 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: ok ... |
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| 20:13.48 | oKtosiTe | thanks |
| 20:13.48 | nvz | I wonder if I am too lazy to do html these days |
| 20:13.58 | abrotman | nvz: do you get your own beer? |
| 20:14.01 | oKtosiTe | nvz, try it and find out |
| 20:14.01 | nvz | I dont think there are any WYSIWYG HTML editors in debian |
| 20:14.10 | abrotman | bluefish/mozilla/quanta |
| 20:14.13 | paulswm | nvz: openoffice htms writer |
| 20:14.17 | abrotman | and that one |
| 20:14.18 | paulswm | html |
| 20:14.24 | abrotman | HMS ! |
| 20:14.30 | oKtosiTe | lol |
| 20:14.31 | paulswm | HTMS! |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | HOMS ? |
| 20:14.42 | nvz | bluefish and quanta just have dialogs that drop in pieces of code, they are not wysiwyg, because you dont type it like a document, you type HTML |
| 20:14.47 | grigora | I am getting "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" during a boot, I then Ctrl-C then everything continues normally, I have "T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100" and the serial console is working, but I still can't figure out what's causing it and how get rid of it. |
| 20:14.52 | abrotman | nvz: stop being so lazy :) |
| 20:14.55 | nvz | heh |
| 20:14.57 | paulswm | nvz: then openoffice |
| 20:15.14 | abrotman | nvz: get up .. get a damn beer .. write some html |
| 20:15.14 | oKtosiTe | nvz, or mozilla |
| 20:15.24 | abrotman | wait .. i'll help |
| 20:15.26 | abrotman | !beer nvz |
| 20:15.31 | nvz | I just want to make some howto type things like a manpage walkthrough with pictures |
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| 20:15.42 | nvz | dont want to bother making pretty html |
| 20:15.43 | paulswm | nvz: boot into XP and use FrontPage <shields up> |
| 20:15.50 | nvz | heh |
| 20:15.50 | abrotman | !blast paulswm |
| 20:15.53 | paulswm | Heh |
| 20:15.55 | nvz | I got TopStyle on XP |
| 20:15.56 | abrotman | !shoot paulswm |
| 20:16.06 | paulswm | @lart abrotman |
| 20:16.21 | oKtosiTe | BG9 9000? that's so 2015... |
| 20:16.27 | oKtosiTe | *BFG even |
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| 20:16.36 | Morrowyn | maybe www.nvu.com for html page making? |
| 20:16.36 | nvz | more like 1991? |
| 20:16.45 | quickjagg | hello? |
| 20:16.50 | nvz | I dont remember when doom came out |
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| 20:17.02 | Casquapointer | http://www.idpz.net/team_concept/ |
| 20:17.03 | uberf00 | early 90ies |
| 20:17.05 | quickjagg | (can anyone see what I type?) |
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| 20:17.18 | paulswm | I bet abrotman's never been beaten up with a galaxy before though, unless he's been hit by a Ford one |
| 20:17.44 | inc|freaky | do you use openoffice or another suite for such things @ all? |
| 20:17.57 | uberf00 | quickjagg: please type in your root password and ip adress for maintenance |
| 20:18.01 | inc|freaky | what do you think is the best, which i should install? |
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| 20:18.10 | nvz | I probably only got like half a beer in there |
| 20:18.24 | jstevens | quickjagg: all you typed was Hello |
| 20:19.11 | paulswm | inc|freaky: for what such tings? |
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| 20:19.17 | paulswm | things |
| 20:19.34 | paulswm | My typing leaves a lot to be desired |
| 20:19.56 | nvz | so does your breath, whoo |
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| 20:20.01 | nvz | heh |
| 20:20.04 | inc|freaky | like a application which are in openoffice, like microsoft office ... because i cant install it it tells me it cant copy files |
| 20:20.27 | Freak | not again |
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| 20:20.38 | Freak | I get highlights everytime you say his name :)= |
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| 20:20.44 | Xorg2 | /msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:20.52 | crazyeyes | hello |
| 20:20.55 | inc|freaky | hehe ;p |
| 20:21.01 | nvz | it must be lame nick day |
| 20:21.10 | inc|freaky | freaky isnt a lame nick |
| 20:21.18 | nvz | inc|freaky is |
| 20:21.19 | cafuego | it's always lame nick day in nvz-land |
| 20:21.36 | nvz | like tbee|gelignite or uberf00 or debophile |
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| 20:21.36 | Freak | nvz: Freak aint! :)) |
| 20:21.47 | nvz | heh |
| 20:21.48 | nvz | or that |
| 20:21.50 | Freak | omg :) |
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| 20:22.31 | nvz | its starting to freak me out in here |
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| 20:22.39 | Madjic | i have trouble making bootdisks for PPC |
| 20:22.43 | Madjic | i downloaded the right files and put 'em on floppy, but the PPC does not boot from them |
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| 20:22.58 | abrotman | yay |
| 20:23.04 | Freak | nvz: yea provocate it! ;) |
| 20:23.20 | nvz | I would if I had a dictionary to tellme how |
| 20:23.21 | MixolAtWork | anyone know what would cause a libranet box to not redirect packets to a specific machine? |
| 20:23.34 | Xorg2 | Hello all |
| 20:23.39 | PS | anyone got an id, trying to get my wireless working @ sarge, installed drivers with ndiswrapper |
| 20:23.44 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, so that would solve the Packages file issue, I still have to make sure the dependencies would be met... |
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| 20:23.52 | PS | wlan0 is created, but i cant find my AP!! |
| 20:23.52 | Madjic | anyone who can help me? |
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| 20:23.58 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: well .. that's your job ... :) |
| 20:24.02 | shingoki | well I filed a bug, thanks for help |
| 20:24.16 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, I guess it is... |
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| 20:24.26 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: apt-cache depends <blah> |
| 20:24.28 | nvz | Madjic: try #debianppc |
| 20:24.29 | nvz | !ppc |
| 20:24.29 | dpkg | ppc is probably short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 20:24.40 | paulswm | nvz: you prolly need a beer and a hug from someone of the appropriate sex, is all |
| 20:24.42 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, ahh, cool |
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| 20:24.56 | Madjic | ok, thx |
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| 20:25.01 | MixolAtWork | i'm tring to ping the other side of a VPN tunnel, the ping goes to our gateway, the gateway send the redirect to the VPN appliance and the libranet box just drops the packet |
| 20:25.07 | MixolAtWork | every other linux box in the network pings the other side of the tunnel perfect |
| 20:25.07 | abrotman | xlibs replaces qcad ? |
| 20:25.08 | nvz | paulswm: not bad, but timing really is everything. you should work on your typing/thinking skills and get up to speed |
| 20:25.10 | PS | anyone got an id, trying to get my wireless working @ sarge, installed drivers with ndiswrapper, wlan0 device is created and leds are burning on my pc card but i cant find my AP |
| 20:25.10 | Xorg2 | just to say that 'dpkg xorg' give a link ( http:/ |
| 20:25.10 | Xorg2 | ecrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/faq.xhtml#debianplans ) which is not working :( |
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| 20:25.34 | greycat | Xorg2: looks like you managed to truncate the URL during your pasting. |
| 20:26.00 | Mr | hello |
| 20:26.02 | greycat | Xorg2: the URL is valid, but lynx can't display it (forces a download) |
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| 20:26.16 | greycat | also it's long and ugly. |
| 20:26.53 | nvz | because its .xhtml? |
| 20:26.57 | PS | anyone got an id, trying to get my wireless working @ sarge, installed drivers with ndiswrapper, wlan0 device is created and leds are burning on my pc card but i cant find my AP |
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| 20:27.40 | vpalle | im having problems with x11 forwarding: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | why does xlibs replace qcad ? |
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| 20:28.12 | abrotman | qcad is cad .. xlibs is not |
| 20:28.13 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:29.57 | greycat | vpalle: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 20:29.59 | nvz | it says it depends on xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 20:30.13 | dondelelcaro | nvz: almost everything depends on xlibs |
| 20:30.17 | blujay | PS: have you checked the ndiswrapper site/forums/mailinglist? |
| 20:30.17 | nvz | I dont understand a >> as meaning anything though other than a append redirect |
| 20:30.26 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's the equivalent of > |
| 20:30.32 | nvz | dondelelcaro: he says, its replacing xlibs |
| 20:30.49 | dondelelcaro | nvz: eh? no it's not. |
| 20:30.52 | PS | blujay: Yeah but im really stuck |
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| 20:30.52 | dondelelcaro | !depends qcad |
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| 20:30.58 | dpkg | qcad: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.7), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), libqcad0 (= 2.0.4.0-1-2) |
| 20:31.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I am just going by what the package info is saying for qcad, doesnt seem to do any such thing |
| 20:31.03 | dondelelcaro | nvz: xlibs doesn't exist anymore anyway |
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| 20:31.10 | nvz | dondelelcaro: oh? |
| 20:31.15 | spacewalker | hi people |
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| 20:31.21 | dondelelcaro | well, it exists... but it's not the same package anymore. |
| 20:31.44 | dondelelcaro | it's main purpose is to depends: on a crapload of packages |
| 20:31.49 | spacewalker | I am looking for a way to recover the ./configure line that was used to compile a debian package. can somebody help me ? |
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| 20:32.11 | dondelelcaro | spacewalker: look at the debian/rules file |
| 20:32.47 | spacewalker | oh magic |
| 20:32.48 | spacewalker | thx :) |
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| 20:33.39 | ribnitz | can debians diff file represent the absence of a whole directory branch with respect to the original? |
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| 20:33.48 | quittt | oi |
| 20:33.51 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: uh, because of the way diff works? |
| 20:33.52 | quittt | hi everybody |
| 20:33.55 | dondelelcaro | s/diff/patch/ |
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| 20:34.39 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: I can change the content of a file, but I cannot represent the fact that the file is not there? |
| 20:34.41 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, so the only way to this is to manually go on the ftp server and get the files one by one? |
| 20:34.52 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: not totally |
| 20:34.55 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: sure you can |
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| 20:35.07 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: how? |
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| 20:35.22 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: a file that's not there in the .orig just doesn't exist, and is all + in the unidiff |
| 20:35.35 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: like .. let's say you wanted your CD to have .. uhm .. links .. you could `apt-get clean;apt-get install links` and use those debs that it downloads |
| 20:35.54 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: but you will need to get the base packages definitely .. other than that .. i'm not sure of another way |
| 20:36.06 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, I already have links... :-) |
| 20:36.09 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, there must be a way to let debian get all the files i'd need for certain packages automatically, like apt-get does |
| 20:36.17 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: I am talking the other case. A file foo/bar which is there in the orig, but the whole dir foo vanished in the debian version? |
| 20:36.23 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, without having to install them |
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| 20:36.30 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: apt-get -d .. download only |
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| 20:36.38 | ribnitz | behole, there's a new X server... |
| 20:36.48 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, that only works if the package isn't installed |
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| 20:36.57 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: --reinstall ? |
| 20:36.58 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: are you talking about the upstream version? or the Debian orig.tar.gz |
| 20:37.07 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: they are not necessarily synonymous |
| 20:37.26 | oKtosiTe | abrotman, that's it, thanks! |
| 20:37.40 | SpamHog | !shag SpamHog |
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| 20:38.01 | Kerr | I've more or less got my little dhcp server set up. but the client (windows... ugh) tells me it can't register with dns.. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:38.04 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: a foo.orig.tar.gz contains foo/bar, but foo_1.0-1_myarch.deb should no longer make reference to it. |
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| 20:38.23 | gusto | vdr starts not , has anybody an idea ? |
| 20:38.29 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: .debs are totally and utterly different from the source to build a .deb |
| 20:38.32 | johnnyST | Is some ppl from debian at Fosdem? |
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| 20:38.51 | dondelelcaro | johnnyST: probably |
| 20:39.02 | dondelelcaro | johnnyST: I think mako is there, and there are probably others |
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| 20:39.10 | johnnyST | ok |
| 20:39.11 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: I actually want to remove foo from the source... |
| 20:39.22 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: why? |
| 20:39.22 | ribnitz | johnnyST: propably a few. |
| 20:39.38 | johnnyST | I will go there are well. |
| 20:39.50 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: I want ot dynamically link against libdb2, instead of shipping my own. |
| 20:39.55 | johnnyST | s/ as well |
| 20:39.59 | ribnitz | johnnyST: me too. |
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| 20:40.15 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: ok, so don't link against your own |
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| 20:40.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: too easy ... |
| 20:40.57 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: I actually want to get rid of the whole db branxch of mine. |
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| 20:41.24 | ribnitz | The new X must be great.. |
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| 20:41.38 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: sure, but you're already shipping the code in the orig.tar.gz; there's no point in deleting it in the diff.gz |
| 20:41.57 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: just patch the build system to link against the right libdb, and be done with it |
| 20:42.02 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: technically, its dead code, no? |
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| 20:42.13 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: yeah. |
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| 20:42.29 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: upstream should probably rip it out from their orig.tar.gz; but you don't want to do that in the diff.gz |
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| 20:42.37 | Random832 | is there any way to make ltrace output less boring and slow? |
| 20:42.49 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: upstream is a version ahead. |
| 20:42.54 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: because that'll mean having two stupid copies instead of just one copy |
| 20:43.12 | Rambo3 | i am trying to install java on kernel 2.2.0, where do i find these packages java2-common, java2-compiler-dummy java-compiler-dummy java2-runtime-dummy |
| 20:43.27 | greycat | 2.2.0 is quite obsolete now. try 2.2.26 or so. |
| 20:43.45 | greycat | The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is: 2.2.26 |
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| 20:43.51 | ribnitz | Rambo3: you dont want os witch to at least 2.4? |
| 20:43.56 | greycat | Rambo3: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:44.08 | nvz | I guess bluefish is alright. still trying to grok how to configure it |
| 20:44.11 | Rambo3 | msg crapy doc |
| 20:44.42 | Rambo3 | i dont know 2.2.20 work best for me |
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| 20:44.57 | jim | Hi, trying to get grub going in a particular situation: a scsi drive sounds like it's about to crap out, so replacing with a pair of ides... everything copied to the drives, linux booted. Now, how to get grub onto hda (which is not the boot drive)? |
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| 20:46.20 | greycat | man grub-install |
| 20:46.31 | jim | and this is a woody box; should I be able to install an offical woody grub pkg? |
| 20:46.52 | _gentgeen_ | a bit OT-- how do I find out the version of Flash I have installed with firefox? I seem to remeber that I could do an about: xxxxx but can not remember |
| 20:47.09 | jim | _gentgeen_: about:plugins |
| 20:47.15 | petemc | _gentgeen_: about:plugins maybe |
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| 20:47.59 | _gentgeen_ | that is it -- I guess I kept putting in a space thanks jim and petemc |
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| 20:49.00 | oKtosiTe | does anyone know if there's a way to show a package's dependencies, all in one line (machine readable - without any extras) |
| 20:49.35 | jim | _gentgeen_: notice it's a url... where the "protocol name" is "about" |
| 20:50.14 | Kerr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:50.27 | Guerin | Kerr: using windows |
| 20:50.32 | oKtosiTe | lol |
| 20:50.41 | jim | oKtosiTe: look at output of dpkg -s <pkgname> |
| 20:50.50 | oKtosiTe | jim, ok |
| 20:50.51 | Guerin | oKtosiTe: man awk; man sed |
| 20:51.10 | jim | not to mention grep |
| 20:51.15 | greycat | not to mention apt-cache |
| 20:51.18 | jim | oops, I mentioned it! |
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| 20:51.43 | Guerin | man tr can be used as well |
| 20:51.53 | oKtosiTe | greycat, jim: I'll just use grep to filter out the nonsense |
| 20:51.54 | Guerin | plenty of ways to skin that car |
| 20:51.56 | Guerin | err |
| 20:51.57 | Guerin | cat |
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| 20:52.12 | greycat | in Soviet Russia, cat skins you! |
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| 20:52.30 | jim | oKtosiTe: well, the idea of looking at all the output, was to show you what other info was also available... for future generations :) |
| 20:52.30 | Danar | how do i get a module to not load on boot? i removed it with modconf, but it's still loading... |
| 20:52.34 | jetscreamer | hey isn't there some rule/law about sitting on a domain name just because you can? |
| 20:52.40 | greycat | Danar: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:52.40 | jetscreamer | Danar, /etc/modules |
| 20:52.52 | jetscreamer | both are possibilities |
| 20:52.56 | jetscreamer | depending |
| 20:52.57 | jim | Danar: figure out why it's loading |
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| 20:53.04 | greycat | jetscreamer: only rules that apply to rich people and corporations. |
| 20:53.04 | jetscreamer | what jim said |
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| 20:53.15 | Danar | jetscreamer: thx |
| 20:53.23 | Danar | jetscreamer: it's in there |
| 20:53.41 | oKtosiTe | I'm not getting much further here, but I guess there's no command to get only dependency info and not info on suggestions/conlfict? |
| 20:53.54 | greycat | oKtosiTe: apt-cache show ... | grep ... |
| 20:53.59 | jetscreamer | ahh so i'm sol trying to force them to not sell a domain name i want but take it from them. |
| 20:54.15 | greycat | jetscreamer: become rich, and then sue them. |
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| 20:54.25 | greycat | jetscreamer: seems to work great most of the time. |
| 20:54.31 | jetscreamer | i wan't the name so i can get rich.. damn catch22 |
| 20:54.33 | oKtosiTe | greycat, that shows me way too much, all I want is dependencies |
| 20:54.36 | encrypt | im trying to run a app but it says "file limit exceed" and actualy, my ulimit -a shows me: file size (blocks, -f) unlimited |
| 20:54.40 | greycat | you don't even have to WIN a lawsuit. just be rich enough and they'll settle out of court. |
| 20:54.53 | greycat | oKtosiTe: then you didn't grep the right stuff. |
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| 20:55.08 | oKtosiTe | greycat, d'oh! |
| 20:55.09 | greycat | encrypt: probably *open* file limit. |
| 20:55.23 | oKtosiTe | thanks greycat |
| 20:55.24 | MixolAtWork | anyone know what would cause a libranet box to not redirect packets to a specific machine? |
| 20:55.29 | MixolAtWork | i'm tring to ping the other side of a VPN tunnel, the ping goes to our gateway, the gateway send the redirect to the VPN appliance and the libranet box just drops the packet |
| 20:55.30 | jim | jetscreamer: do you have some sort of claim to the name other than bought it? |
| 20:55.32 | encrypt | hmm thanks a lot greycat |
| 20:55.33 | MixolAtWork | every other linux box in the network pings the other side of the tunnel perfect |
| 20:55.37 | greycat | MixolAtWork: why would #debian care? |
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| 20:55.44 | dondelelcaro | MixolAtWork: see #libranet |
| 20:56.05 | MixolAtWork | dondelelcaro: the 1 awake guy in libranet can't help me either and libranet is a debian base |
| 20:56.14 | greycat | !based on |
| 20:56.19 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 20:56.19 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 20:56.46 | MixolAtWork | well, i realize that, but this seems like a lower level networking issue and i thought it might be in the control files |
| 20:56.54 | dondelelcaro | MixolAtWork: as greycat already said, the problem most likely is with your gateway configuration. |
| 20:56.56 | jim | MixolAtWork: it's not a libranet issue... it's a network issue, one that would be in common with all linux dists... |
| 20:56.57 | MixolAtWork | because no firewall is turned on and my redhat boxen work just fine |
| 20:57.02 | oKtosiTe | greycat, however, apt-cache show also shows version info in de depends... any way to avoid that? |
| 20:57.11 | encrypt | where do i limit max_sock for users such as limits.conf tool? |
| 20:57.11 | greycat | MixolAtWork: did you set the default gateway correctly/ |
| 20:57.13 | dondelelcaro | MixolAtWork: look at the output of ifconfig; and route; and make sure it matches up with what you expect. |
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| 20:57.32 | greycat | oKtosiTe: learn more scripting. sed, awk, grep, etc. |
| 20:57.36 | jim | and if you can't reach a name server, use route -n |
| 20:57.48 | greycat | you should ALWAYS use "netstat -rn" or "route -n" when showing the routing table. |
| 20:57.49 | MixolAtWork | greycat: yes, because the gateway forwards every other machine fine, dondelelcaro: yes it is what i expect and tcpdump shows mostly what i expect |
| 20:57.55 | jim | oKtosiTe: and bash or sh or whatever shell |
| 20:57.59 | greycat | whoever made "-n" not be the default behavior needs to be slapped. |
| 20:58.02 | LuCkYaN | hi .. i just install 'sqwebmail' and before i read/send mail's with 'mutt' and that store mail in /var/mail/luckyan ... but 'sqwebmail' have a dir in /home/luckyan/Maildir and there stored folders .. so .. i can send mail's from web .. but when i recieve i recieve on /var/mail/luckyan no on /home/luckyan/Maildir |
| 20:58.12 | greycat | MixolAtWork: fucktard. |
| 20:58.13 | dondelelcaro | oKtosiTe: use grep-available then |
| 20:58.13 | LuCkYaN | how i can make to recieve in 'sqwebmail' ? |
| 20:58.15 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 20:58.15 | dpkg | sed cheats is probably see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 20:58.19 | Guerin | !awk cheats |
| 20:58.20 | dpkg | awk cheats is, like, see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 20:58.23 | greycat | MixolAtWork: the DEFAULT GATEWAY ON THE CLIENT MACHINE, DUH! |
| 20:58.25 | Guerin | oKtosiTe: ^^ start there |
| 20:58.32 | Zeffy | I am getting errors about devices at kernel startup. In a form of "DEVICE BUSY... removing". I have tried to use dmseg to look for that particular errors and I didn't found them. Any ideas? |
| 20:58.34 | jetscreamer | netidentity.com is obviously a gaol clone |
| 20:58.40 | oKtosiTe | dondelelcaro, grep-availaable? |
| 20:58.48 | dondelelcaro | oKtosiTe: yes, grep-available. |
| 20:58.53 | MixolAtWork | greycat: yes, because it gets internet just fine and the ping does get to the gateway, the gateway sends it a redirect and then the libranet box does nothing |
| 20:58.54 | jetscreamer | Zeffy, hotplug sucks eh |
| 20:58.57 | jetscreamer | at least atm |
| 20:59.12 | MixolAtWork | greycat: whereas other linux machines take the redirect and send it along their way |
| 20:59.30 | Kerr | Guerin: I use debian sarge. The client, unfortunatley is XP. |
| 20:59.36 | tam | how can you tell alsa to use a different sound card than the one it is currently using' |
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| 20:59.37 | jim | greycat: now you start to see why I got so stressed... |
| 20:59.39 | tam | ? |
| 20:59.40 | dondelelcaro | MixolAtWork: the other linux machines aren't the problem. The libranet box is. Look at the output of ifconfig and route -n; on the libranet machine |
| 20:59.56 | Zeffy | jetscreamer: anything I can do to make the errors disappear? |
| 20:59.57 | LuCkYaN | someone know ? |
| 21:00.12 | MixolAtWork | dondelelcaro: i have and everything is what i expect and looks just like my other machines that work fine |
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| 21:00.26 | jetscreamer | Zeffy, i dunno haven't investigated.. but you're not alone |
| 21:00.27 | encrypt | if i set "user hard nofile 3000" in limits.conf, shouldnt it show open files limit to 3000, when i execute ulimit -a from "user" shell? |
| 21:00.31 | dondelelcaro | tam: you specify whichever soundcard you want using the alsa application, or you set your ~/.alsa.conf (iirc) |
| 21:00.34 | jetscreamer | and it's ignorable, it 'seems' |
| 21:00.43 | tam | dondelelcaro: ah, cool. thanks |
| 21:00.53 | LuCkYaN | anyone ? pls |
| 21:01.01 | greycat | encrypt: you tell me. What is a ``"user" shell''? |
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| 21:01.17 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 21:01.25 | encrypt | greycat: su - user; ulimit -a |
| 21:01.34 | dondelelcaro | LuCkYaN: change it to either read mail from the mailspool, or use procmail to deliver to the maildir. |
| 21:01.43 | greycat | encrypt: does your /etc/pam.d/su reference pam_limits? |
| 21:01.45 | MixolAtWork | dondelelcaro: the libranet box doesn't have a route for 127.0.0.0, would that cause a problem? |
| 21:01.52 | tactless | I'm having some trouble compiling the lirc modules: |
| 21:01.53 | tactless | /usr/src/modules/lirc/drivers/lirc_serial/lirc_serial.c:275: error: `LIRC_PORT' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 21:02.13 | tactless | This is when going through the 'quick walkthrough'. The automated build says that /usr/src/linux is not a valid kernel. |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | apt-get install lirc ? |
| 21:02.27 | dondelelcaro | MixolAtWork: there shouldn't be a route for 127.0.0.0 |
| 21:02.31 | oKtosiTe | Guerin, looks like stuff that will take me weeks to learn, all I wanted to do was make a Debian CD with custom packages |
| 21:02.32 | encrypt | greycat: no.. also, the problem is not with su, im trying to run another software |
| 21:02.46 | greycat | encrypt: the problem IS with su because you just SAID you were using su. |
| 21:02.52 | encrypt | ah |
| 21:02.54 | MixolAtWork | dondelelcaro: k, didn't think so but one of my other boxes does have 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 lo as a route |
| 21:02.55 | oKtosiTe | dondelelcaro, [what is] grep-available? |
| 21:02.58 | greycat | encrypt: if you're NOT using su, then you shouldn't have said you WERE using it. |
| 21:03.10 | encrypt | ok but dont scream please, sorry |
| 21:03.13 | greycat | encrypt: grep limit /etc/pam.d/login |
| 21:03.15 | dondelelcaro | oKtosiTe: apt-cache show grep-available; |
| 21:03.25 | encrypt | # |
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| 21:03.39 | encrypt | nothing returned |
| 21:03.53 | greycat | how's that possible? |
| 21:03.57 | dondelelcaro | is this even Debian? |
| 21:04.02 | encrypt | you asking me? |
| 21:04.04 | greycat | even in woody I get comments. |
| 21:04.17 | greycat | encrypt: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:04.18 | greg_work | anyone know offhand how to make vim goto the spot you were in last time you edited a file? |
| 21:04.23 | oKtosiTe | dondelelcaro, "grep-available" wasn't found... |
| 21:04.34 | abrotman | greg_work: i think there's a #vi or #vim |
| 21:04.40 | abrotman | might be more help |
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| 21:04.43 | dondelelcaro | oKtosiTe: sorry, grep-dctrl; |
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| 21:04.56 | dondelelcaro | oKtosiTe: /msg dpkg search; while you're at it. |
| 21:05.05 | encrypt | forgive me but im not using debian in this server, i forgot to say that ;O |
| 21:05.11 | paulswm | HAH |
| 21:05.16 | abrotman | encrypt: what are you using ? |
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| 21:05.26 | dondelelcaro | ugh |
| 21:05.34 | greycat | !kill encrypt |
| 21:05.41 | dondelelcaro | why, oh why do people ask questions in here with out telling us the whole story? |
| 21:05.44 | encrypt | sorry ehe |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 21:05.53 | oKtosiTe | dondelelcaro, I'll look into it, see if it helps, thanks |
| 21:05.54 | greycat | dondelelcaro: because if they confessed the whole story up front we'd just kick them. |
| 21:05.59 | encrypt | this one is fedora c1 |
| 21:06.06 | dondelelcaro | encrypt: figure out where the hell your distribution has stuck pam_limits.so and load the stupid module. |
| 21:06.07 | abrotman | encrypt: so ask #fedora |
| 21:06.11 | dondelelcaro | encrypt: then bug #fedora |
| 21:06.46 | abrotman | it's not even debian based |
| 21:06.46 | Award | greycat: Take a vacation...you haven't been this stressed in years ;) |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | abrotman: not that that matters. |
| 21:06.46 | greycat | Award: wrong. |
| 21:06.57 | directhex | greycat's permanently stressed. one day he'll actually explode |
| 21:06.59 | abrotman | greycat: well .. at least normally when people come in here with the wrong distro .. it's at least debian based :) |
| 21:07.06 | abrotman | !catnip greycat |
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| 21:07.16 | greycat | abrotman: of course that doesn't justify or excuse their sin. |
| 21:07.20 | oKtosiTe | greycat's always like this :-P |
| 21:07.25 | abrotman | greycat: no .. it does not |
| 21:07.26 | Award | greycat: paper bag...deep breaths...high voltage...SOMETHING :) |
| 21:07.33 | MobyTurbo | if someone wants to ask non-distro-specific questions, there's ##linux. I wonder why they think #debian is the right place for all their Linux questions. |
| 21:07.35 | abrotman | Award: he's going to eat you |
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| 21:07.47 | Hakan--31-ist--- | hi |
| 21:07.50 | greycat | abrotman: I doubt Award is my type. |
| 21:07.57 | Hakan--31-ist--- | pls someone can help ? |
| 21:08.01 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: because even though we're asses .. apparently we have a good reputation for being smarter than the average dumbass |
| 21:08.01 | greycat | !tell Hakan--31-ist--- about ask |
| 21:08.02 | paulswm | MobyTurbo: Because here is where the smart people are |
| 21:08.02 | directhex | no, we can't. |
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| 21:08.08 | PilatomiK | hello ... someone work with bewan usb modem with 2.6 kernel ... I have successfull connect one time ppp but just one time :( |
| 21:08.15 | Hakan--31-ist--- | reading database ... dpkg:error processing |
| 21:08.15 | Hakan--31-ist--- | ../var/cache/apt/archives/amorak.deb |
| 21:08.15 | Hakan--31-ist--- | unable to open files list file for package 'module-assistant' |
| 21:08.15 | Hakan--31-ist--- | errors were encountered while processing : |
| 21:08.15 | Hakan--31-ist--- | .var/cache/apt/archives/amorak.deb |
| 21:08.15 | Hakan--31-ist--- | processing was halted because there were too many ererors. |
| 21:08.15 | *** kick/#debian [Hakan--31-ist---!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 21:08.16 | Award | abrotman: Really, he's far more stressed than "normal" :) |
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| 21:08.24 | abrotman | Award: i don't see it .. but whatever |
| 21:08.28 | Award | hehe |
| 21:08.28 | dondelelcaro | Hakan--31-ist---: read /topic and do NOT flood here. |
| 21:08.31 | paulswm | !nickometer Hakan--31-ist--- |
| 21:08.31 | dpkg | 'Hakan--31-ist---' is 99.9247% lame, paulswm |
| 21:08.36 | Hakan--31-ist--- | problem is : |
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| 21:08.40 | abrotman | you can't read ? |
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| 21:08.46 | inc|freaky | do you guys think debian updates gnome to the 2.8 version? |
| 21:08.50 | inc|freaky | in sarge? |
| 21:08.55 | directhex | inc|freaky, erm... it is already |
| 21:08.57 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sarge |
| 21:08.57 | inc|freaky | so i can update using apt-get update ... upgrade |
| 21:09.00 | Hakan--31-ist--- | problem is : |
| 21:09.01 | greycat | !pdo inc|freaky |
| 21:09.05 | greycat | !tell inc|freaky about pdo |
| 21:09.08 | Hakan--31-ist--- | reading database ... dpkg:error processing |
| 21:09.14 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 888 kB |
| 21:09.16 | greycat | Hakan--31-ist---: once wasn't enough? |
| 21:09.18 | paulswm | Hak`M: don't paste in here |
| 21:09.19 | Hakan--31-ist--- | ../var/cache/apt/archives/amorak.deb |
| 21:09.20 | abrotman | look .. gnome2.8!!! |
| 21:09.26 | Hakan--31-ist--- | ok ok |
| 21:09.33 | directhex | Hakan--31-ist---, which distribution exactly is this? |
| 21:09.35 | inc|freaky | abrotman: and, how can i update? oO |
| 21:09.38 | greycat | !tell Hakan--31-ist--- about paste |
| 21:09.45 | abrotman | inc|freaky: are you on sarge now ? |
| 21:09.48 | inc|freaky | yea |
| 21:09.56 | Hak`M | paulswm: I didn't :P |
| 21:10.01 | Hakan--31-ist--- | sarge |
| 21:10.03 | abrotman | inc|freaky: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade;apt-get install gnome |
| 21:10.13 | inc|freaky | what does the -u do? |
| 21:10.17 | jstevens | Hakan--31-ist---: apt-get update |
| 21:10.17 | nvz | Hakan--31-ist---: change your nick ffs, if someone didnt say that already |
| 21:10.19 | greycat | inc|freaky: man apt-get |
| 21:10.20 | abrotman | inc|freaky: shows you what it's going to install :) |
| 21:10.23 | sirlouka | does anybody know the server for knoppix channel please |
| 21:10.26 | jstevens | Hakan--31-ist---: then try again..... |
| 21:10.26 | paulswm | Hak`M: Sorry, nick completion error as you prolly saw :) |
| 21:10.27 | inc|freaky | ah, awkay ;D |
| 21:10.31 | abrotman | sirlouka: guess?> |
| 21:10.36 | abrotman | just guess .. please? |
| 21:10.41 | sirlouka | i tried /join knoppix but nothing |
| 21:10.45 | Hak`M | paulswm: I noticed, just stop highlighting okies? ;) |
| 21:10.48 | greycat | /join #knoppix |
| 21:10.49 | directhex | why would there be a .deb without version info in /var/cache/apt/archives on debian? |
| 21:10.50 | greycat | with a # in it. |
| 21:10.51 | abrotman | sirlouka: /j #knoppix |
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| 21:10.56 | sirlouka | thanks |
| 21:10.59 | paulswm | That is a very, very annoying nick |
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| 21:11.24 | robertg | :) |
| 21:11.30 | Hakan--31-ist--- | i dont know |
| 21:11.42 | Hakan--31-ist--- | i cant install anything |
| 21:11.42 | abrotman | Hakan--31-ist---: /nick ineedhelp |
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| 21:11.49 | directhex | Hakan--31-ist---, how did you install sarge, exactly? |
| 21:11.50 | Hakan--31-ist--- | always same error |
| 21:11.58 | Hakan--31-ist--- | man,nick is not problem |
| 21:12.00 | brynjarh | What does "Segmentation fault" meen? |
| 21:12.02 | abrotman | yes .. it is |
| 21:12.16 | abrotman | brynjarh: bad stuff .. get a twinkie |
| 21:12.17 | Hakan--31-ist--- | always this :unable to open files list file for package 'module-assistant' |
| 21:12.18 | blujay | brynjarh: it means it crashed |
| 21:12.18 | tdonahue | brynjarh what were you doing at the time? |
| 21:12.24 | cool_blade | Heya guys - i need to set a perm route in debian, where abouts should i put it? |
| 21:12.25 | jstevens | Hakan--31-ist---: apt-get update |
| 21:12.33 | Hakan--31-ist--- | tried it |
| 21:12.41 | inc|freaky | abrotman: i meant gnome 2.8.2 (which was released recently) lol, sorry. im new to all this. do you still think debian will update to 2.8.2 on sarge? |
| 21:12.41 | abrotman | Hakan--31-ist---: /nick ineedhelp |
| 21:12.49 | abrotman | inc|freaky: they already did |
| 21:12.54 | directhex | !info gnome-panel sarge |
| 21:12.55 | paulswm | !prize abrotman |
| 21:12.56 | abrotman | inc|freaky: you mean 2.8.3 ? |
| 21:12.57 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 396 kB, Installed size: 888 kB |
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| 21:13.12 | inc|freaky | but how can i update? i did what you said and it said allready the newest version |
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| 21:13.20 | greycat | inc|freaky: dpkg -l gnome-panel | tail -1 |
| 21:13.21 | abrotman | inc|freaky: dpkg -l gnome-panel |
| 21:13.26 | Hakan--31-ist--- | thx directhex |
| 21:13.26 | directhex | inc|freaky, what does 'dpkg -l gnome-panel' say? |
| 21:13.29 | MoonPrincess | can anyone tell me how I find the path to imagemagick? |
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| 21:13.39 | brynjarh | tdonahue, I was trying to print out a part of my calender in Evolution, hasn't worked for awhile, noticed when I opend up Evolution in xterm and it crashed while trying to print out a part of my calender I was left with the message "Segmentation fault" in xterm. |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | MoonPrincess: which imagemagick |
| 21:13.45 | inc|freaky | ii gnome-panel 2.8.2-2 launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2 <-- this ... |
| 21:13.53 | greycat | MoonPrincess: what are you trying to do? compile something that wants the LIBRARIES and HEADERS? |
| 21:13.55 | abrotman | inc|freaky: so you have gnome2.8.2 |
| 21:13.57 | inc|freaky | but why does it still say its gnome 2.8.1? |
| 21:14.02 | abrotman | inc|freaky: what does ? |
| 21:14.15 | abrotman | inc|freaky: apt-get install gnome |
| 21:14.18 | inc|freaky | 1. the command gnome-about and, rightclick on the panel --> info |
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| 21:14.19 | directhex | erm... i think he was rumbled. i asked how he installed this screwball sarge with non-versioned .deb filenames, he thanked me & left |
| 21:14.19 | brynjarh | tdonahue, any way to fix it? |
| 21:14.24 | inc|freaky | abrotman: says allready newest version |
| 21:14.36 | abrotman | inc|freaky: and you did run the apt-get update also ? |
| 21:14.40 | inc|freaky | yea |
| 21:14.44 | hyde | anyone using ntop? |
| 21:14.49 | greycat | inc|freaky: did you logout and back in? |
| 21:14.51 | tdonahue | brynjarh, Evolution or one of the processes it depends on crashed.... my first thought would be to check and see if all your packages are up to date |
| 21:14.55 | greycat | inc|freaky: or otherwise restart gnome? |
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| 21:15.00 | MoonPrincess | greycat Trying to install coppermine photo album... but it's not finding imagemagick in the path I stated (/usr/bin/mogrify/). |
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| 21:15.13 | inc|freaky | yes, i logged out and logged back in, but that wasnt today |
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| 21:15.14 | MoonPrincess | abrotman that ruturned nothing. |
| 21:15.15 | dondelelcaro | MoonPrincess: do you have imagemagick installed? |
| 21:15.22 | inc|freaky | greycat: i allready did that :( |
| 21:15.27 | abrotman | MoonPrincess: maybe you don't have it installed ? |
| 21:15.29 | MoonPrincess | dondelelcaro yes. via dselect |
| 21:15.35 | abrotman | inc|freaky: logout / login |
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| 21:15.40 | dondelelcaro | MoonPrincess: and stat /usr/bin/mogrify returns what? |
| 21:15.46 | Mojo_Jojo | how do I install mozilla firefox automatically? so that it will resolve and install all the dependent packages for me? |
| 21:15.47 | greycat | incoming! |
| 21:15.50 | CarlosAlex | Debian, I love you !!! |
| 21:15.52 | CarlosAlex | lol |
| 21:15.56 | brynjarh | tdonahue, just checked, all my packages are up to date. What does "Segmentation fault" meen anyway? |
| 21:15.58 | greycat | Mojo_Jojo: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 21:16.09 | inc|freaky | i allready did that :( |
| 21:16.17 | dondelelcaro | !sig11 |
| 21:16.17 | dpkg | i guess sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
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| 21:16.22 | dondelelcaro | brynjarh: see above |
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| 21:16.54 | MoonPrincess | dondelelcaro returns a lot of stuff I don't understand. lol |
| 21:17.03 | OpenVms | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.09 | directhex | let's take bets. Mojo_Jojo is runnign woody and doesn't HAVE firefox available. bets for, bets against? |
| 21:17.16 | greycat | OpenVms: /join #redhat |
| 21:17.21 | abrotman | inc|freaky: otherwise .. you'll have to wait until i get home to get more help out of me |
| 21:17.22 | directhex | OpenVms, is this a red hat 9 channel? |
| 21:17.25 | Mojo_Jojo | I am running knoppix |
| 21:17.27 | dondelelcaro | MoonPrincess: ok, then mogrify is there and working. morgrify; by itself should return a whole list of options |
| 21:17.31 | greycat | Mojo_Jojo: /join #knoppix |
| 21:17.33 | directhex | oh, even worse |
| 21:17.33 | stew | Mojo_Jojo: #knoppix |
| 21:17.58 | pipeline | Mojo_Jojo: Debian isn't as hard to install as you may think it is. |
| 21:18.02 | OpenVms | in rh no one answer |
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| 21:18.09 | greycat | maybe you should install Debian instead. |
| 21:18.12 | dondelelcaro | MoonPrincess: you'll just need to figure out why your gallery software isn't locating it. assuming you set the path as "/usr/bin/mogrify" it may just be a bug in your gallery software. |
| 21:18.12 | pipeline | OpenVms: Install Debian. |
| 21:18.13 | stew | OpenVms: then try a mailling list |
| 21:18.26 | MoonPrincess | dondelelcaro I get the following error during install. The installer can not find the '/usr/bin/mogrify/' directory you have specified for ImageMagick or it does not have permission to access it. Check that your typing is correct and that you have access to the specified directory. |
| 21:18.33 | inc|freaky | abrotman: np, ill wait until you |
| 21:18.34 | Mojo_Jojo | I like knoppix because I could see that everything works before I installed it |
| 21:18.35 | inc|freaky | ' |
| 21:18.40 | inc|freaky | you're at home ;) |
| 21:18.41 | abrotman | inc|freaky: i understand :) |
| 21:18.46 | dondelelcaro | MoonPrincess: it should just be /usr/bin/mogrify, not /usr/bin/mogrify/ |
| 21:18.55 | greycat | Mojo_Jojo: then why are you here asking questions, if everything works? |
| 21:18.57 | abrotman | inc|freaky: that bastard sholes put the the ' next to enter eh? |
| 21:18.57 | tarzeau | Mojo_Jojo: no you can't |
| 21:19.07 | inc|freaky | abrotman: yea lol ;p |
| 21:19.12 | tarzeau | Mojo_Jojo: knoppix only shows you kde work. so you only see that |
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| 21:19.28 | greycat | it shows you that the knoppix kernel can utilize your hardware. not much else. |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | inc|freaky: do you even know who christopher sholes is ? |
| 21:19.46 | green_earz | OpenVms: check out for the sarge net installer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050221/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:19.47 | inc|freaky | no ;p |
| 21:19.53 | inc|freaky | but i guess you know ;) |
| 21:19.54 | MixolAtWork | well, now all the route tables and ifconfigs look the same except for their respective IPs, still can't figure out why this box is dropping the redirect requests. so weird |
| 21:19.55 | MoonPrincess | ondelelcaro Got it... it didn't like /usr/bin/mogrify do I tried /usr/bin/ and it worked |
| 21:19.55 | Mojo_Jojo | I could see that knoppix supported all my drives from the get go |
| 21:19.57 | MoonPrincess | thank you |
| 21:20.09 | abrotman | inc|freaky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Sholes |
| 21:20.10 | dondelelcaro | MoonPrincess: np |
| 21:20.12 | directhex | Mojo_Jojo, good. no problems then. bye bye |
| 21:20.32 | TheMoebius | so /etc/networking/interfaces is where I specify my dns servers, right? |
| 21:20.38 | tarzeau | TheMoebius: wrong |
| 21:20.44 | TheMoebius | oh |
| 21:20.48 | TheMoebius | tarzeau, where? |
| 21:20.56 | directhex | TheMoebius, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:21.01 | TheMoebius | ahh |
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| 21:21.04 | abrotman | inc|freaky: he is responsible in part for QWERTY .. and i only know this because i grew up in Danville, PA where he did this |
| 21:21.15 | tarzeau | TheMoebius: i have it in NetInfo |
| 21:21.21 | inc|freaky | ok, i got a qwertz keyboard though ;) |
| 21:21.23 | inc|freaky | im from germany |
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| 21:21.34 | CPUnerd | How could I contact a debian developer so he could put something on the mailing list or somehere as fixed, or more like prevention ? |
| 21:21.37 | abrotman | inc|freaky: it's a .us thing i guess |
| 21:21.54 | tarzeau | CPUnerd: bts or apt-cache show package |grep ^Maint |
| 21:22.03 | jeaneid | what does uncompressing linux; crc error; system halted mean?????????????????????????????? |
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| 21:22.07 | CPUnerd | tarzeau: something I have to submit |
| 21:22.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell jeaneid about ep |
| 21:22.14 | inc|freaky | whatever you say ;) |
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| 21:22.29 | inc|freaky | oh man i love debian :o) |
| 21:22.33 | CarlosAlex | How to install this softmodem ??? 0000:00:08.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics V.92 56K WinModem (rev 02). I cant get to access linmodems.org |
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| 21:22.44 | paulswm | !prize inc|freaky |
| 21:22.44 | tarzeau | jeaneid: disk read error? |
| 21:22.51 | inc|freaky | :D |
| 21:22.52 | greycat | CarlosAlex: google. |
| 21:22.56 | tarzeau | jeaneid: could be memory, also |
| 21:23.11 | CarlosAlex | Ohhh |
| 21:23.12 | abrotman | inc|freaky: also home to the first T rail |
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| 21:23.13 | CarlosAlex | again |
| 21:23.21 | CarlosAlex | There are some site I cant access |
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| 21:23.27 | greycat | are you running 2.6.8+? |
| 21:23.36 | inc|freaky | im getting lost. my english isnt that good and i have no idea what youre talking about now lol sorry |
| 21:23.37 | jeaneid | tarzeau: so could be anything. |
| 21:23.40 | user_ | hey guys is 2.6.8. kernel is in stable? |
| 21:23.45 | greycat | user_: no. sarge. |
| 21:23.48 | tarzeau | jeaneid: not the mouse |
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| 21:23.56 | directhex | user_, stable has 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 |
| 21:23.58 | tarzeau | jagerman: or the screen |
| 21:24.12 | abrotman | inc|freaky: it's a thing for railroad tracks .. the T rail |
| 21:24.14 | greycat | CarlosAlex: are you running a 2.6.8+ kernel? |
| 21:24.23 | inc|freaky | ah, ok ;p |
| 21:24.35 | inc|freaky | well, your president is currently in germany ;p |
| 21:24.44 | paulswm | inc|freaky: actually, your English is very good. I would never have guessed you were German if you hadn't mentioned it :) |
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| 21:24.57 | nvz | does a 20* in html4.0 mean px? |
| 21:25.05 | CarlosAlex | 2.4.27 |
| 21:25.06 | greycat | nvz: #html, #web |
| 21:25.12 | greycat | CarlosAlex: ok, scratch that theory. |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | inc|freaky: commit a crime for me ? |
| 21:25.26 | greycat | linmodems.org works for me. something's wrong on your end. |
| 21:25.27 | inc|freaky | well, i got lots of understanding probs sometimes thank you ;p |
| 21:25.29 | directhex | aw, poor greycat, no !worked in 2.4 for you today |
| 21:25.39 | greycat | directhex: no, I was anticipating !window scaling |
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| 21:25.50 | inc|freaky | nah, i dont care ;p (if i guessed right what commit means ;p) |
| 21:25.56 | abrotman | inc|freaky: heh .. ok |
| 21:25.58 | inc|freaky | brb, getting a cig ;p |
| 21:26.06 | CarlosAlex | greycat, help me then |
| 21:26.12 | directhex | i'd feel better about 2.6 if all the modules in upstream actually compiled. |
| 21:26.16 | greycat | CarlosAlex: how can I? it works for everyone but you. |
| 21:26.42 | CarlosAlex | Ohhhh |
| 21:26.46 | CarlosAlex | I dunno how solve it |
| 21:27.11 | TheMoebius | tarzeau, ok so now when I ping yahoo.com is gets the IP address, but no response... I've tried other sites too. 100% packet loss |
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| 21:27.23 | CPUnerd | no connection is made. |
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| 21:27.48 | TheMoebius | I can ping stuff on the internal network though |
| 21:27.56 | abrotman | bad router or netmask ? |
| 21:27.58 | tarzeau | TheMoebius: do you have a fireweall? |
| 21:27.58 | Skaag | I'm going to try to downgrade from kernel 2.6.9 to 2.4.27 - is there anything I need to beware of, in the process? |
| 21:28.03 | inc|freaky | awkay, back :) |
| 21:28.06 | R | I'm trying to figure out how to have alsa use card 1 instead of card 0... no luck after apropos alsa and some manpages, anyone here who can help me out? |
| 21:28.09 | greycat | Skaag: module names differ. |
| 21:28.11 | tarzeau | TheMoebius: some morons block icmp |
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| 21:28.56 | directhex | Skaag, and stuff like nvidia needs recompiling |
| 21:28.57 | TheMoebius | whats the "network" line for in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 21:28.57 | Skaag | that's ok then |
| 21:28.57 | stew | !worked in 2.6 |
| 21:28.58 | stew | :) |
| 21:28.59 | fuat | does anyone know which page contains gpg-agent? |
| 21:29.07 | greycat | fuat: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:29.08 | Skaag | so if I need ata_piix (for the serial ata drive) how do I find out its name in 2.4.x? |
| 21:29.20 | directhex | Skaag, 2.4.27 has poor serial ata support. |
| 21:29.28 | CarlosAlex | maybe another site |
| 21:29.29 | R | SKaag: it's the same |
| 21:29.37 | Hellmark | quick question. setting up a server, and installed sudo from the pool, and it asks for a password when its used. How do I set the password? |
| 21:29.50 | fuat | greycat: I search allready with apt-cache but could not find it |
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| 21:29.52 | R | Hellmark: it's your user password |
| 21:29.57 | stew | Hellmark: its looking for the users password which is executing sudo |
| 21:30.03 | MobyTurbo | Hellmark: the password is the password of the user who starts it |
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| 21:30.07 | Hellmark | I've tried it |
| 21:30.07 | Skaag | directhex: i'm fucked then... :-\ |
| 21:30.17 | Skaag | excuse my french |
| 21:30.20 | stew | Hellmark: did you setup sudoers? |
| 21:30.23 | Skaag | i have to work on losing that language |
| 21:30.25 | directhex | Hellmark, but which apps the user can run is defined in the config file. run 'visudo' |
| 21:30.36 | nvz | I dont think french people say that |
| 21:30.39 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone really love a particular open source project management package for smaller groups? I know of a number, but none seems to be the clear choice. |
| 21:30.44 | inc|freaky | how can i bind a key to some program under gnome? |
| 21:30.52 | Skaag | nvz: I speak french, and french people swear a lot |
| 21:30.56 | sgeigerbot | inc|freaky: xbindkeys |
| 21:31.01 | nvz | heh |
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| 21:31.07 | stew | sgeigerbot: irssi / mutt / svn :) |
| 21:31.09 | Skaag | nvz: even the relatively polite ones |
| 21:31.15 | paulswm | Skaag: Of course, people hardly ever cuss in here |
| 21:31.16 | inc|freaky | thx ;) |
| 21:31.17 | Yaroon | Hmm... I just enabled Spamassassin vi putting ENABLED to 1 in /etc/default/spamassassin, but when I want to start it it says: Starting SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: Could not create INET socket: Address already in use IO::Socket::INET: Adress already in use |
| 21:31.23 | Skaag | paulswm :-) |
| 21:31.33 | greycat | Yaroon: lsof -i :theportnumber |
| 21:31.36 | Yaroon | And indeed, netstal -all | grep spam reports spamd listening... |
| 21:31.37 | sgeigerbot | Yaroon: which port it is trying to use? |
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| 21:32.00 | sirlouka | when you do grub-install the menu.lst file is created automatically or do i have to create it? |
| 21:32.03 | paulswm | Skaag: Anyway, in IT, 'fucked' is a technical term :) |
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| 21:32.12 | Yaroon | sgeigerbot: 783, as stated in /etc/services |
| 21:32.14 | sgeigerbot | stew: There is no calendar in your solution. |
| 21:32.30 | stew | sgeigerbot: see wir :) |
| 21:32.34 | sgeigerbot | Yaroon: well, you can't tell more than one daemon to listen on the port at a time. |
| 21:32.51 | paulswm | sirlouka: It will be created for you |
| 21:32.54 | Skaag | directhex: so poor support doesn't mean no support, right? |
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| 21:33.02 | Skaag | directhex: There's a chance it will actually work |
| 21:33.08 | greycat | it sounds like he already has spamd running, and he's trying to run it again. |
| 21:33.09 | sgeigerbot | stew: I'm looking for answers...not something I can get (a much higher quality of) on Comedy Central. |
| 21:33.09 | aetasx | I'm running testing on kernel 2.4.26 and trying to get freeswan installed, I compiled my own kernel via kernel-source-2.4.26 and downloaded kernel-patches-freeswan but how do I apply the patches to the kernel source? |
| 21:33.11 | directhex | Skaag, depends on your controller. i don't have any 2.4 source handy to check |
| 21:33.14 | Yaroon | Well yes... But I don't see why spamd is listening on it. I'll just comment it out in /etc/services |
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| 21:33.35 | greycat | Yaroon: WRONG. |
| 21:33.41 | Yaroon | greycat: that's what I thought. |
| 21:33.49 | Yaroon | But I had to trigger you somewhere. |
| 21:33.53 | Yaroon | somehow even |
| 21:33.58 | greycat | DO NOT edit /etc/service in a vain attempt to disable running daemons. |
| 21:34.02 | greycat | stop the daemon. |
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| 21:34.24 | Yaroon | But ps aux doesn't report spamd to be running. |
| 21:34.25 | Skaag | directhex: going to give it a try with panic=10 and a lilo -R |
| 21:34.33 | Skaag | (it is a remote box and i'm affraid to lose it) |
| 21:34.37 | greycat | Yaroon: lsof -i :783 |
| 21:34.49 | Yaroon | rpc.statd? |
| 21:34.53 | Yaroon | greycat: rpc.statd 1025 root 6u IPv4 1544 TCP *:spamd (LISTEN) |
| 21:34.59 | TheMoebius | how do I do an update on all my packages? |
| 21:35.09 | greycat | Yaroon: hahahahaha |
| 21:35.17 | Yaroon | :| |
| 21:35.22 | greycat | Yaroon: bad luck. your NFS services just happened to choose the port you wanted. |
| 21:35.23 | R | TheMoebius: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:35.30 | greycat | TheMoebius: man apt-get |
| 21:35.42 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Where are you from? Your English is horrible. ;-) |
| 21:35.52 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: right .. if you say so |
| 21:35.56 | Yaroon | TheMoebius: apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:36.01 | Yaroon | greycat: oh, is that so. Hmm. |
| 21:36.02 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: :-) Sound familiar? |
| 21:36.14 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I've been thinking about that comment. You can't have been serious. |
| 21:36.15 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: come on .. admit it .. yours is bad sometimes :) |
| 21:36.21 | R | TheMoebius: and while your at it... why not apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 21:36.29 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it does'nt matter |
| 21:36.29 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: Sometime you should read your own writing. |
| 21:36.30 | greycat | abrotman: him got bad english? that's unpossible! |
| 21:36.35 | Hellmark | also, anyone know of how to setup vsftp? I installed it, set it to allow local users to login, and it worked fine. after that I added another user, but that user cannot log in. asks for user name, which it accepts, but when a password is given it reports a 530 for incorrect login |
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| 21:36.50 | sgeigerbot | greycat: dunno wut hz talkin bout |
| 21:36.53 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: you mean something like 'planner'? |
| 21:36.54 | R | anyone here knows something about alsa? |
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| 21:37.11 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: Yes, that's one of the options available. is it any good? |
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| 21:37.36 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: err...it looks as if it might require a lot of gnome libs. |
| 21:37.41 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: I have a friend who says it is, I haven't tried it |
| 21:37.50 | aetasx | any of you use freeswan or openswan? |
| 21:37.57 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: This looks very smooth... |
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| 21:38.11 | R | my alsa keeps outputting audio to the dummy driver... it should use the actual soundcard |
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| 21:38.16 | MixolAtWork | greycat: is it possible that a bad or old network driver could cause the machine to ignore redirects? because otherwise it's identical in config to another machine that works fine |
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| 21:38.24 | directhex | r, so tell it to in your asound.conf |
| 21:38.31 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: It sure looks good on their web site |
| 21:38.40 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: In any case, it wasn't terribly nice (apparently a joke). It's okay... I just want you to remember that I don't make comments on how you smell. |
| 21:38.52 | R | directhex: thanks.. been looking for a conf file but /etc/alsa/ doesn't hold anything |
| 21:38.59 | Skaag | directhex: ok 2.4.27 did not boot the box and i'm now back to 2.6.9 |
| 21:39.19 | directhex | Skaag, you might have a little more luck with a hand-compiled 2.4.29 |
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| 21:40.45 | MixolAtWork | other linux machines get the redirect from the gateway (i can see it in tcpdump) and go on fine, this box just drops it on the floor after getting the redirect back |
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| 21:40.57 | greycat | MixolAtWork: try #networking or ##linux and be prepared to show them your routing table and describe your network in full detail. |
| 21:41.15 | inc|freaky | is there any possibility where i can change the resolution of the consoles (those accessible via ctrl+alt+f1) f.e. under X ? cuz the font is far too big |
| 21:41.19 | vwirem | Does anyone know if network simulator is available in a .deb? |
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| 21:41.25 | MixolAtWork | greycat: ah, thanks. didn't know there was a #networking. ##linux hasn't given me any help at all. |
| 21:41.25 | greycat | MixolAtWork: try #iptables, too, if you have a firewall enabled on the libranet box. |
| 21:41.38 | Demon` | how do I disable kdm/xdm on startup? |
| 21:41.39 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you can't smell me from NE .. but i can read your typing .. and yes .. i do make mistakes .. but i really thought you were from another country .. don't feel bad .. i've seen worse in here |
| 21:41.40 | R | vwirem: check the kernel options.. there are some things |
| 21:41.45 | MixolAtWork | greycat: there's no firewall running on the libranet, that's the first thing i checked |
| 21:42.20 | greycat | !wotd5 |
| 21:42.22 | greycat | !qotd5 |
| 21:42.22 | dpkg | well, qotd5 is <cassiopea> greycat: sgeigerbot is a bot, right? Is it you who is sending these message-stuff to me via sgeigerbot? <cassiopea> sgeigerbot: not quite, it's just you keep telling me things that don't really make sense, as bots usually do. And then there's the -bot suffix to your nick |
| 21:42.41 | abrotman | greycat: yeah .. like that :) |
| 21:42.41 | Skaag | directhex: Well i don't nessecarily want to deal with 2.4, i'm just trying it out of desperation |
| 21:42.52 | jstevens | Demon`: they should be enabled by default once you install one |
| 21:43.07 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: don't feel bad at all .. we've got people who have lived in the states for 30 years using woot and u and ur and culd .. |
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| 21:43.10 | simonrvn | ##linux has mostly cluebies from what i remember lst time being in there |
| 21:43.12 | Skaag | after I run lilo -R 2.6.8 (to try 2.6.8 just once) the result is silence, how do I know it's actually going to try 2.6.8? |
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| 21:43.47 | Gaaruto | hi |
| 21:43.48 | douglas | Hey .. what was that ifconfig flag to get my mac address? |
| 21:43.53 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: but apparently you are upset .. and i apologize .. |
| 21:43.58 | Demon` | jstevens: I don't want either to load |
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| 21:44.06 | quittt | !slack |
| 21:44.06 | dpkg | hmm... slack is the man. damn cool |
| 21:44.10 | bartden | what port does dhcpd listen on by default ?? |
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| 21:44.42 | llahm | is there a unix command to strip the control characters from a stream of UTF8? |
| 21:45.18 | llahm | i'm trying to make a tool thar greps java classes for strings |
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| 21:45.34 | llahm | and the output contains some control chars taht mess up the terminal from time to time |
| 21:45.57 | MobyTurbo | llahm: strings? |
| 21:46.03 | Gaaruto | i'm trying to install audigy ls sound card, but i have a problem : http://pastebin.com/245581, someone to help me please ? |
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| 21:46.17 | jstevens | Demon`: I'd say either un-install them, or edit the rc* scripts to have them not load |
| 21:46.32 | phil_ | Hey guys. My printer is not working on my Debian machine. The printer model is HP deskjet 710c and I'm running on Woody 2.2.20. I've downloaded HP-Deskjet_710C-pnm2ppa.ppd from linuxprinting.org and I apt-got cupsclient and magicfilter. However, I've been experiencing problems with CUPS first of all. And second of all with magicfilter. Please Help. |
| 21:46.33 | nvz | heh I will have to use bluefish I guess cause OO.o generates code I dont understand :P |
| 21:46.47 | jstevens | Demon`: there's a command to add/remove stuff from rc* ... I just dont' remember it off the top of my head |
| 21:46.47 | abrotman | phil_: real kernel ? |
| 21:46.54 | phil_ | yeah |
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| 21:47.22 | phil_ | Linux Falcon 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 21:47.26 | MobyTurbo | phil_: is it a USB printer? |
| 21:47.28 | abrotman | !tell phil_ about real kernel |
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| 21:47.33 | phil_ | no, parallel port |
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| 21:47.37 | llahm | MobyTurbo: yeah i did use strings |
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| 21:47.41 | user_ | !tell phil_ about real kernel |
| 21:47.51 | llahm | MobyTurbo: but oddly it still seems to contain a few |
| 21:47.54 | simonrvn | oh gawds. trying to get usb from that is like trying to get mlik from a rock |
| 21:48.00 | simonrvn | milk even |
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| 21:48.04 | sphinxios | why is new xserver-xfre86 for i386 so big is sid compared to previous release |
| 21:48.10 | MobyTurbo | llahm: you probably could whip up something in Perl to do that too |
| 21:48.11 | llahm | MobyTurbo: i'm guessing it's because i set strings to utf8 mode but the terminal is not utf8 |
| 21:48.13 | jpablo | hi, anyone lost his gnome icons in sid ? |
| 21:48.27 | simonrvn | never had any *to* lose |
| 21:48.31 | llahm | MobyTurbo: maybe pass the utf8 mode strings through a 7 bit strings |
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| 21:48.45 | simonrvn | !btssmite jpablo |
| 21:48.47 | llahm | MobyTurbo: that oughta strip out the leftovers |
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| 21:49.31 | MobyTurbo | llahm: egrep could do it too with a regular expression |
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| 21:49.47 | jpablo | simonm: funny. |
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| 21:49.59 | llahm | MobyTurbo: ah beautiful, all you must do is pass the utf8 strings through the 7 bit one |
| 21:50.32 | MobyTurbo | llahm: yes, it's trivial to come to think of it. |
| 21:50.35 | llahm | MobyTurbo: that way you find all strings in the file, then strip out the little leftover binary parts that would normally be utf8 if you didn't have broken utf8 support like in solaris |
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| 21:50.52 | llahm | MobyTurbo: it's one of those things that only seems obvious after you realize it |
| 21:51.07 | llahm | MobyTurbo: because before i was thinking of all kinds of ugly perl one-line ideas |
| 21:51.10 | MobyTurbo | llahm: yep |
| 21:51.15 | llahm | MobyTurbo: which you really don't need so much |
| 21:51.31 | llahm | MobyTurbo: boy this script will really help me with java |
| 21:51.42 | douglas | anyone familiar with linksys router web interface configging? Need to get the thing to pair an ip assignment with a mac address, can't find where to do this |
| 21:51.53 | llahm | MobyTurbo: the half hour it took to write will pay off just this afternoon eve |
| 21:51.55 | llahm | even* |
| 21:51.57 | aetasx | is there a howto on using debian patches to patch kernel source? |
| 21:52.04 | MobyTurbo | llahm: there's no help available for the Java trap. ;-) |
| 21:52.23 | kvn | MobyTurbo: Sure there is. It's called drinking heavily. |
| 21:53.00 | paulswm | aetasx: You'll find it in this kernel howto: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
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| 21:53.23 | aetasx | paulswm, thank you |
| 21:53.30 | paulswm | aetasx: yw |
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| 21:54.03 | quittt | HORRAY FOR LINUX! |
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| 21:54.28 | Xemacs_ | horray for dpkg |
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| 21:54.45 | bartden | the ipp protocol, is it based on tcp or udp ?? |
| 21:55.03 | simonrvn | ipp? |
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| 21:55.17 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: CUPS |
| 21:55.21 | jpablo | internet printing protocol |
| 21:55.22 | bartden | yup |
| 21:55.24 | simonrvn | tcp and udp are based on ip |
| 21:55.34 | bartden | hmm |
| 21:55.37 | simonrvn | well, they run on top of ip |
| 21:55.46 | bartden | ah k |
| 21:55.56 | simonrvn | ipp runs on tcp IIRC |
| 21:56.04 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: he's refering to IPP, not IP |
| 21:56.06 | sphinxios | why is new xserver-xfrre86 50mb compared to 5mb to previous release in sid for i386 |
| 21:56.12 | p30n | question: is there a way to delete all files named i.e. ".debug" recursively from a folder? |
| 21:56.23 | chealer | sphinxios: /topic |
| 21:56.55 | MobyTurbo | p30n: "find" |
| 21:56.56 | sphinxios | chealer: sorry missed that |
| 21:57.04 | Blissex | p30n: yes. |
| 21:57.30 | p30n | if i wanna delete all .debug files in one command? |
| 21:57.53 | modeman | p30n: rm *.debub ??? |
| 21:57.57 | MobyTurbo | p30n: find can execute "rm" by itself, or if neccesary with the help of xargs |
| 21:57.59 | golanx | hi guys: does anybody of you uses CMS (Content Rel. Manag.) on Debian, something like ezpublish-src, or exponent, or interchange? |
| 21:57.59 | Blissex | p30n: 'man find' or use your file manager to do a search. |
| 21:58.20 | p30n | i only have console |
| 21:58.21 | p30n | no X |
| 21:58.31 | MobyTurbo | p30n: Unix is not a toolbox of programs that work "all by themselves" |
| 21:58.35 | neeko | modeman: ` find ./ *.debug | xargs rm -f ` |
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| 21:59.54 | Blissex | neeko: since s/he sounds like a n00b, probably the filenames have spaces in them. |
| 22:00.05 | Blissex | golanx: there are lots and lots of them. |
| 22:00.09 | modeman | neeko: that's 'find anything named whatever.debug in the current dirctory but what is xargs? i never used it |
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| 22:00.16 | p30n | ye |
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| 22:00.31 | Blissex | p30n: on a console you can use 'mc', it is like Norton Commander... |
| 22:00.40 | Epix | hi! someone told me this last night, but i wanna make sure i got my facts straight. with woody (testing) when i apt-get update it updates my list to the newest file on the mirror, which is updated daily (thus, i allways get nice new packages :D) |
| 22:00.41 | neeko | modeman: man xargs. And find won't just find everything in the current directory, it's also recursive. |
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| 22:00.52 | Blissex | p30n: I am practically telepathic with n00bs by now :-) |
| 22:00.55 | p30n | all files are named .debug |
| 22:01.12 | modeman | neeko: thx |
| 22:01.15 | neeko | Epix: That's about right. |
| 22:01.22 | jstevens | Epix: Woody=Stable |
| 22:01.29 | Blissex | p30n: just exactly '.debug'? But do any of the directories in which they exist have spaces in the their names? |
| 22:01.37 | jstevens | Epix: Sarge=Testing |
| 22:01.37 | modeman | i need to quit my job and just bs in this channel all day, then look for a real job... |
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| 22:01.48 | jstevens | Epix: besides that, yep, sounds right |
| 22:01.55 | paulswm | Epix: woody is stable, sarge is testing otherwise you are correct except that testing is sometimes updated more than once per day, occasionally less |
| 22:01.57 | modeman | but don't look for a job for like 8 months |
| 22:01.58 | Epix | jstevens: Epix=stoopd |
| 22:02.08 | Blissex | modeman: just done that :-) more or less... |
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| 22:02.21 | jstevens | Epix: I'll assume it was a typo :-) |
| 22:02.22 | p30n | no, ALL files are exactly named ".debug" nothing more, nothing less |
| 22:02.33 | modeman | Blissex: heh, if i didn't have the xterra payment, i'd be out |
| 22:02.36 | p30n | its .debug files for my site and i want to wipe my releases with em |
| 22:02.37 | neeko | p30n: Then my fix will work perfectly. |
| 22:02.48 | Blissex | modeman: except that you will find to find a job in southern India... |
| 22:02.49 | p30n | ok, thx |
| 22:03.02 | modeman | Blissex: of 7-11 |
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| 22:03.11 | modeman | Blissex: er... OR 7-11 |
| 22:04.10 | p30n | neeko: it will do it recursively too? |
| 22:04.13 | paulswm | p30n: =============== actually, neeko's fix won't work, it will delete all your files from ./ on down |
| 22:04.19 | daww | How can I get specific information about my graphic card? |
| 22:04.21 | aetasx | paulswm: I tried applying the freeswan patch on kernel-source-2.4.26 and it crashes out, do you know if there's just a module for it? |
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| 22:04.37 | p30n | paulswm: ok????!?!?! |
| 22:04.41 | p30n | thats not good |
| 22:04.52 | aetasx | paulswm: don't answer that question, heh |
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| 22:05.07 | neeko | modeman: ` find ./ | grep -i *.debug | xargs rm -f ` |
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| 22:05.49 | daww | How can I get specific information about my graphic card via bash? |
| 22:05.51 | p30n | thats right? |
| 22:06.00 | paulswm | p30n: find ./ -name '*.debug' | xargs rm -f - note the '-name' and the single quotes |
| 22:06.01 | neeko | yeah =_= |
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| 22:06.04 | stew | neeko: *.debug isn't a valid regex |
| 22:06.22 | clojster | where is local mails stored in debian? |
| 22:06.22 | neeko | stew: point being? |
| 22:06.33 | stew | neeko: that the grep command woulnd't work |
| 22:06.48 | abrotman | neeko: you're not good at shell stuff ? |
| 22:06.48 | Blissex | neeko: thats wrong too. |
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| 22:07.12 | Blissex | p30n: this would be more reliable: find . -type f -name .debug -print0 | xargs -o rm |
| 22:07.17 | Kerr | I set my box up as a network gateway as per http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/networking/homegateway.html ... my client connects but dns does not work. any idea what has gone wrong? |
| 22:07.24 | Epix | paulswm: ok, lets say that it is updated more than 1 time a week... if in that week verson 1.1 comes out and i have version 1.0, will i get the new one? and does woody do the same thing (sorry for the delay, had to halt other box and put CD in :D |
| 22:07.25 | OBSD_Pow | clojster, I think they are at /var/mail/ |
| 22:07.26 | p30n | hmmm. |
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| 22:07.37 | stew | Blissex: s/-o/-0/ |
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| 22:07.47 | clojster | OBSD_Pow: thx |
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| 22:08.04 | Blissex | p30n: if you want to check it, just replace 'rm' with 'echo' and yes, ,stew> is right, there is a typo. |
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| 22:08.14 | Epix | i dunno why but i get a kick out of installing linux... its fun every time :) |
| 22:08.18 | Blissex | p30n: this would be more reliable: find . -type f -name .debug -print0 | xargs -0 echo |
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| 22:08.29 | paulswm | neeko: try your original suggestion on any directory and see how you would have wiped out all p30n's files: find ./ *.debug |
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| 22:08.37 | claudio | hi all |
| 22:08.42 | Blissex | p30n: and replace 'echo' with 'rm' when you have verified it works. |
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| 22:08.50 | claudio | someone can help me? |
| 22:08.55 | Blissex | p30n: it will handle directories with spaces in them too. |
| 22:09.06 | claudio | i'm tryng to compile a driver |
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| 22:09.33 | Supaplex | How can I check and change the number of open files I can have? (I'm getting "too many open files" while running freeradius w/in a uml instance) |
| 22:09.39 | claudio | but I n't have in my header file the irq_vectors.h |
| 22:09.45 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: fuser or lsof will |
| 22:09.57 | douglas | anybody prefer something over gallery? |
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| 22:10.17 | paulswm | Epix: every time you run apt-get update you get the latest package list. So an upgrade or dist-upgrade (I always do dist-upgrades) after that will upgrade any packages which have been changed. |
| 22:10.21 | claudio | someone can help me to findthis file? |
| 22:10.21 | mozrat_ | guys, my /usr/bin/vacation only works for external email domains.. people who send internal email (same SMTP domain as the recipient) don't get a vacation reply. Is this by design?? |
| 22:10.47 | paulswm | Epix: And yes, all distros do the same |
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| 22:11.18 | p30n | i get the file or directory does not exist, does it serach recursively? |
| 22:11.35 | p30n | its a debug text file times a few hundred in several folders |
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| 22:11.58 | Blissex | p30n: does search recursively... |
| 22:12.01 | paulswm | p30n: yes, find works recursively |
| 22:12.28 | Blissex | p30n: you need to be in the top directory for that subtree, or replace "find ." with "find whatever_dir_you_want" |
| 22:12.44 | modeman | so how would you undelete anything you run with find ./ | grep -i *.debug | xargs rm -f ? |
| 22:12.58 | dondelelcaro | mozrat_: you've exculuded your domain from getting vacation emails, most likely |
| 22:12.59 | Epix | debian installer, i love you :) |
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| 22:13.08 | douglas | what dir is the apt-get install .deb cache? |
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| 22:13.10 | Blissex | p30n: note that will only find files called exactly ".debug", not "SOMETHING.debug" |
| 22:13.18 | stew | douglas: /var/cahce/apt/archives |
| 22:13.21 | dondelelcaro | douglas: depends on your apt.conf settings |
| 22:13.21 | douglas | ty |
| 22:13.21 | mozrat_ | dondelelcaro: Any idea how? this is a pretty default installation |
| 22:13.34 | paulswm | p30n: what Blissex said, if you want to count the files before the rm, you can do this for instance: find . -name .debug|wc -l |
| 22:14.02 | Epix | time taken to install debian (estimated) 20 min. time taken to install gentoo...... 3 days? |
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| 22:14.08 | Epix | :P jk |
| 22:14.23 | paulswm | p30n: see my previous post if you want files named SOMETHING.debig |
| 22:14.31 | paulswm | debug |
| 22:14.36 | tazman | anyone know if their is dvd iso for sarge? |
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| 22:14.44 | dondelelcaro | tazman: yes, there is. |
| 22:14.46 | mozrat_ | dondelelcaro: I've started testing it by manually running vacation user.name < /tmp/email to see what happens, and there doesn't seem to be a config file |
| 22:14.47 | jetscreamer | i guess you get a lot of pee on jokes... |
| 22:14.50 | Blissex | taz: yes, someone knows. |
| 22:14.57 | dondelelcaro | mozrat_: echo '@domain'|vacation -x; FE. Or any of the few dozen other ways you can trigger vacation. |
| 22:15.04 | jharrison | is something going on with ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 22:15.05 | p30n | find . -type f -name .debug -print0 | xargs -0 echo like that? |
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| 22:15.12 | mozrat_ | dondelelcaro: I'll do that, thanks |
| 22:15.14 | dondelelcaro | mozrat_: sure there is. There's a database, and a vacation msg |
| 22:15.28 | OBSD_Pow | tazman if you use jigdo yo can make a sarge dvd iso |
| 22:15.32 | Blissex | p30n: yes, that does a test run, and will only list files called exactly ".debug" |
| 22:15.39 | brandon | Anyone know what the message " Feb 23 09:40:33 www -- MARK -- |
| 22:15.42 | jetscreamer | jharrison, Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages [3409kB] |
| 22:15.43 | brandon | means? |
| 22:15.49 | jetscreamer | if so can't tell |
| 22:15.52 | Blissex | brandon: it means nothing... Just a break. |
| 22:15.53 | tazman | thanks, will look into that |
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| 22:16.01 | jharrison | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main xlibmesa-glu 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 |
| 22:16.02 | jharrison | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.09 | brandon | ok, its like spamming my messages file |
| 22:16.10 | paulswm | Blissex: just a mark in the log |
| 22:16.19 | jetscreamer | oh http... |
| 22:16.30 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 22:16.38 | paulswm | Blissex: sorry, mistaken identity, pls ignore |
| 22:16.43 | jharrison | PORT STATE SERVICE |
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| 22:16.44 | jharrison | 80/tcp open http |
| 22:16.48 | p30n | i got it :) thanks |
| 22:16.48 | claudio | please... |
| 22:16.50 | jharrison | its responding |
| 22:16.54 | jharrison | weird |
| 22:16.59 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: humm, i think i have a recursive include file, strace solved it. |
| 22:17.00 | claudio | someone help me... |
| 22:17.10 | Epix | is there some kinda thingy that countes the number of people that use Debian?! |
| 22:17.15 | Supaplex | !help claudio |
| 22:17.17 | Blissex | p30n: good, but also investigate the immense power of 'mc' |
| 22:17.19 | jetscreamer | !help claudio |
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| 22:17.28 | paulswm | Epix: there is no way of knowing really |
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| 22:17.34 | jetscreamer | ah shit jinx |
| 22:17.36 | p30n | Blissex: and what is that? |
| 22:17.53 | Epix | paulswm: well, is there a guesstimate? |
| 22:18.03 | Blissex | p30n: it is a command line, but full screen, file manager, a super-clone of Norton Commander. |
| 22:18.03 | douglas | what's the KDE vnc-like server that sends the entire desktop on the console, and can it be turned on remotely in a text terminal? |
| 22:18.06 | jetscreamer | mc rox in an xterm, i like how it supports the mouse w/o gpm |
| 22:18.07 | Rambo3 | yes , i fixed java. hehe btw /msg dpkg java is usless |
| 22:18.10 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: you get to help claudio now. =-D |
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| 22:18.17 | p30n | kk |
| 22:18.39 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.50 | dondelelcaro | Rambo3: what, did you actually follow it through to the java-package factoid? |
| 22:18.53 | Matong | Does anyone have get a rtl8180l based pcmcia wlan card working under debian? I only get card led blinking if in ad-hoc mode, but it doesn't work in managed/auto |
| 22:19.09 | jharrison | jetscreamer: its up now |
| 22:19.14 | Rambo3 | as the norweagen AHA |
| 22:19.44 | Araldit | Im trying to figure out how modules loads.. I know what aliases is but how is char-major made, and how do I check which char-major-xxx to write.. Is there some where I can read about this char-major?? |
| 22:19.52 | Supaplex | claudio: what driver, and what kernel? - are you trying to compile a 3rd party driver? details details... |
| 22:20.01 | jetscreamer | man modprobe.conf maybe, not sure |
| 22:20.12 | dondelelcaro | Araldit: just use modconf, or edit /etc/modules |
| 22:20.15 | paulswm | Epix: I'm not aware of one, maybe google might turn up something, but it is bound to be really unreliable, because it would probably be based on something like debian servers reporting to Netcraft or something |
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| 22:20.25 | jharrison | holy shiat |
| 22:20.31 | ZEA | has anyone tried compiling the css plugin for xine? I get tons of errors (and they sure don't look like dev files missing) (note: running sarge) |
| 22:20.31 | dondelelcaro | Araldit: you don't want to be mucking about in modprobe.conf at all. |
| 22:20.32 | jetscreamer | big upgrade eh |
| 22:20.49 | dondelelcaro | yeesh, does no one read the /topic? |
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| 22:20.55 | jharrison | im pulling 1048kB/s from mirrors.kernel.org |
| 22:20.59 | jharrison | at home |
| 22:21.00 | dondelelcaro | -12 on i386 is busted. It's 200M overweight |
| 22:21.00 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 22:21.05 | jharrison | did I get an upgrade? |
| 22:21.09 | jetscreamer | nice, i get 164 :/ |
| 22:21.29 | Araldit | dondelelcaro: sure I am.. I want to know my system. So where do I for instant se that char-major-116 is an alias for snd???? |
| 22:21.31 | jharrison | 1048kB/s for 70 bucks a month is not too shabby |
| 22:21.36 | jetscreamer | maybe nobody's on in your neighborhood |
| 22:21.44 | jharrison | hehe |
| 22:21.46 | jharrison | could be |
| 22:21.57 | jharrison | im suppose to have 4mbit though |
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| 22:22.13 | brandon | we get 6mbps here |
| 22:22.19 | jharrison | brandon: for what cost? |
| 22:22.25 | daww | How can I configure the kernel with AGP Support for GPU- NVIDIA® GeForce FX 5200 (I can just find nForce(nForce2 support in xconfig)? |
| 22:22.25 | jharrison | brandon: and where are you? |
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| 22:22.32 | brandon | 99 |
| 22:22.37 | jetscreamer | they give us a range, they guarantee 384-1.5 ... |
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| 22:22.42 | jharrison | brandon: thats not too bad |
| 22:22.47 | ncsu | is the new ps2 any faster or better? |
| 22:22.47 | brandon | Its supposed to be 6mbps, half the time we get around 10 |
| 22:22.50 | douglas | c'mon i know one of you knows about kde's remote desktop server, like vnc, which unlike vnc sends the entire desktop.. can it be activated via telnet or do i have to be in X to config it? |
| 22:22.51 | ncsu | other than small |
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| 22:22.58 | jharrison | im guaranteed 4mbit down and 1mbit up |
| 22:23.22 | dondelelcaro | Araldit: you look at Documentation/devices.txt, and see what type of device it is (char) what it's major node is (116) and (if it has one) what its minor node is |
| 22:23.38 | Rambo3 | for a flash plugin in firefox , is there deb one or is there a howto page for this |
| 22:23.42 | dondelelcaro | s/it's/its/ |
| 22:23.46 | douglas | 40kbytes could be worse |
| 22:23.56 | paulswm | 5mbit down and I think .75 mbit up here |
| 22:23.58 | dondelelcaro | Rambo3: there is a non-free one, and swfplayer, which sort of works. |
| 22:24.54 | Araldit | dondelelcaro: So its an alias the driver dictate? That makes sense.. And then I can find the alias by looking at the drivers doc. Did I get that right. |
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| 22:25.07 | inc|freaky | de |
| 22:25.08 | inc|freaky | oops, sry |
| 22:25.22 | dondelelcaro | Araldit: no, it's an alias that is dictated by the type, major, and minor node that the device creates. |
| 22:25.37 | dondelelcaro | Araldit: those are documented in Documentation/devices.txt |
| 22:25.41 | mozrat_ | dondelelcaro: thanks man |
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| 22:25.55 | dondelelcaro | Araldit: if this doesn't make sense, just ignore it, because you could care less about it. |
| 22:26.04 | brandon | Anyone know what error code 11 is while uploading using scp? |
| 22:26.07 | Araldit | dondelelcaro: k. Thx. I will try read it. |
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| 22:31.59 | jarango | What's the best Linux alternative for MS Word ? |
| 22:32.16 | Rambo3 | vi |
| 22:32.19 | LoRez | jarango: openoffice.org |
| 22:32.24 | jstevens | jarango: OpenOffice ... some would argue abiword |
| 22:32.25 | dondelelcaro | jarango: an editor and LaTeX. |
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| 22:32.44 | dondelelcaro | jarango: but if that doesn't work, oo.org, abiword, or kword. |
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| 22:33.04 | jarango | LoRezm, jstevens: Better than koffice ? |
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| 22:33.08 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro, jarango: in that order :) |
| 22:33.16 | Rambo3 | where k stands for worthless |
| 22:33.23 | Supaplex | krap ;) |
| 22:33.35 | jstevens | jarango: IMO.. yes |
| 22:33.46 | dondelelcaro | and g stands for garbage... |
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| 22:34.14 | bucky | what does o stand for? |
| 22:34.18 | jarango | jstevens: And it works with word files or are you forced to used its own format ? |
| 22:34.27 | dondelelcaro | jarango: yes. |
| 22:34.29 | ramasun | I have a problem with a wacom graphic-tablet (serial connection). the eraser creates the same events as the pen. I just built the newest wacom_drv.o X-module with no improvement. any hints? |
| 22:34.31 | jstevens | jarango: it reads word files fine |
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| 22:34.55 | zahod | there can be some slight problems with word files though |
| 22:34.55 | Epix | whats a fast canadian apt mirror? |
| 22:35.05 | dondelelcaro | Epix: depends where you're located. |
| 22:35.08 | jarango | jstevens: Have you used abiword ? |
| 22:35.13 | dondelelcaro | Epix: canada being a large country and all. |
| 22:35.27 | jstevens | jarango: a while ago, not anymore.. I use OOo now |
| 22:35.38 | asuffield | although most of canada is inhabited only by moose and rocks, so it's not that big in internet terms |
| 22:35.41 | chealer | Epix: probably not GULUS's |
| 22:35.44 | Xorg | re all ;) |
| 22:35.45 | jarango | jstevens: Ok, I will give it a try, thanks |
| 22:35.59 | bucky | i like abiword... but with openoffice you can open word docs and convert them to pdf |
| 22:36.07 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: yeah, but the speed of light isn't infinite... ;-) |
| 22:36.09 | jarango | And how about an alternative for Photoshop ? |
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| 22:36.25 | jstevens | bucky: I agree, OOo's PDF interface is nice |
| 22:36.25 | Supaplex | jarango: the gimp |
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| 22:36.30 | jstevens | jarango: the Gimp |
| 22:36.45 | Xorg | I just get a new wifi card and I have seen an bluetooth options .. does it mean that I can use the wifi card as a bluetooth card ? |
| 22:36.54 | Gaaruto | someone to tell me how to resolv it : Warning, /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
| 22:37.09 | Supaplex | jarango: but if you've spent good money on apps you still want to run, there's always www.winehq.org |
| 22:37.13 | dondelelcaro | [of course, if c actually makes a difference, you've got a much larger pipe that I've got... and my pipe is big.] |
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| 22:38.00 | douglas | does gallery prefer mysql over postgresql or does it not matter? |
| 22:38.19 | dondelelcaro | douglas: yeesh. Just use Apache::Gallery |
| 22:38.48 | douglas | thanks donde |
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| 22:38.56 | dondelelcaro | !apache::gallery |
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| 22:39.09 | jarango | Supaplex: He, he... I tried wine once and gave up ... |
| 22:39.09 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: apache::gallery |
| 22:39.09 | dpkg | Apache::Gallery is probably the coolest gallery software known to man (or woman) designed specifically for the lazy system administrator. Abusing mod_perl, it enables a directory of pictures to be automagically resized, shown as a slide show, and even rotated (if your camera supports it). See http://apachegallery.dk/ or http://gallery.legart.dk/ and http://gallery.donarmstrong.com for examples. |
| 22:39.14 | Supaplex | dpkg: are you shy today? :) |
| 22:39.15 | dpkg | Supaplex: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:39.40 | douglas | Beautiful, you the man |
| 22:39.42 | Reign | holy ppl in here |
| 22:39.46 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: things with :: in it confuses the parser for some reason. I really should look at it at some point |
| 22:40.01 | Xorg | dpkg xorg |
| 22:40.01 | dpkg | you are, like, xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 22:40.02 | jarango | Supaplex: vmware is a better alternative in that case, but ultimately nothing beats having to computers, once with Windows and one with Linux |
| 22:40.33 | Xorg | why is there a 404 error on this page is that normal ? |
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| 22:40.49 | dondelelcaro | Xorg: on which page? |
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| 22:41.02 | Xorg | http:/ |
| 22:41.02 | jarango | dpkg: Is Xorg going to replace xfree ? |
| 22:41.02 | Xorg | ecrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/faq.xhtml#debianplans |
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| 22:41.03 | dpkg | jarango: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 22:41.28 | dondelelcaro | Xorg: it's necrotic.deadbeast.net, and it works fine here. |
| 22:41.38 | Myren | fstab:[ /var/tmp/swapfile none swap ] command:[mount /var/tmp/swapfile] error:[mount point none does not exist]. why? |
| 22:41.42 | jstevens | Xorg: it's case sensitive.... |
| 22:41.43 | Myren | thats what man fstab says to do |
| 22:41.55 | Supaplex | jarango: well, nothing beats a whole bunch of computers. one or two with windows, and the other 10 or 12 with linux. :) |
| 22:41.55 | grigora | does anyone know what the /srv directory is for? thanks |
| 22:41.57 | Epix | yo this is soo offtopic but i need some help. anyone live in ottawa, ON CA? what store sells the most costefficent clones? |
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| 22:42.16 | Xorg | hmm like I got a savage3 on my laptop I should normaly have a basic 3d stuff so yeap as soon as it's possible and supported by debian I will |
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| 22:42.23 | Epix | dondelelcaro: im in Ottawa, what mirror? |
| 22:42.31 | Xorg | jarango |
| 22:42.51 | dondelelcaro | Epix: use apt-spy if you want to know which is fastest. |
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| 22:43.18 | petemc | Epix: real men grow from seed |
| 22:43.27 | OpenVms | need some help when i try to give make to htb-tools it gives me this||flex -i parse_cfg.l |
| 22:43.31 | dondelelcaro | petemc: uh, everyone grows from seed. |
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| 22:43.41 | petemc | dondelelcaro: he asked for clones |
| 22:43.45 | OpenVms | gcc -O2 -Wall -g -I./include -I./include-glibc -include ./include-glibc/glibc-bugs.h -c lex.yy.c |
| 22:43.47 | OpenVms | lex.yy.c:836:25: macro "yywrap" passed 1 arguments, but takes just 0 |
| 22:43.47 | OpenVms | lex.yy.c:1870: warning: `yyunput' defined but not used |
| 22:43.47 | OpenVms | make: *** [lex.yy.o] Error 1 |
| 22:43.49 | jarango | Supaplex: I wouldnt need more than two |
| 22:43.52 | dondelelcaro | OpenVms: do NOT paste here. |
| 22:43.53 | samuel | whats the course of action when you find a patch for some package? |
| 22:44.00 | jarango | Xorg: yes ? |
| 22:44.00 | Xorg | dondelelcaro: "The requested URL /xsf/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/faq.xhtml was not found on this server." :'( |
| 22:44.02 | samuel | send it to the mantainer? |
| 22:44.05 | dondelelcaro | samuel: file a bug, then attacah the patch. |
| 22:44.11 | dondelelcaro | Xorg: again, it's case sensitive. |
| 22:44.16 | samuel | dondelelcaro, cool, thx |
| 22:44.43 | ReignWolve | does anyone know of some good resource webpages for installing outside software |
| 22:44.46 | ReignWolve | on debian |
| 22:45.04 | dondelelcaro | ReignWolve: the short answer, is avoid doing that like the plauge. If you can't, Debianize it. |
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| 22:45.19 | dondelelcaro | ReignWolve: see the NM guide for more information on how to do that. /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 22:45.26 | jstevens | Xorg: Case sensitive = it cares about caps... if the link says FAQ... you can't type faq |
| 22:45.47 | Xorg | dondelelcaro: so should be a bug on psi no capital letter in the url I have |
| 22:45.59 | inc|freaky | how can i save my alsa volumes so they are reset next time i reboot? |
| 22:46.09 | Epix | dondelelcaro: i dont got apt-spy... |
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| 22:46.13 | dondelelcaro | Xorg: eh? no, it shouldn't. dpkg gave you the URL with caps in it. |
| 22:46.15 | dondelelcaro | Epix: install it |
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| 22:46.41 | Xorg | dondelelcaro: wich letter ? |
| 22:46.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell Xorg about xorg |
| 22:46.57 | ReignWolve | i so need to fix the display size |
| 22:47.05 | inc|freaky | tell me something about xorg too pls |
| 22:47.13 | inc|freaky | whats the difference between Xfree and xorg? |
| 22:47.34 | stew | inc|freaky: fgi |
| 22:47.38 | inc|freaky | fgi |
| 22:47.41 | uraclea_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.48 | inc|freaky | stew: what do you mean? |
| 22:47.51 | Epix | dondelelcaro: lol, i need an apt mirror to do that :P what one is in ottawa? |
| 22:48.03 | dondelelcaro | Epix: yeesh. Just run apt-setup; to get your sources.list setup |
| 22:48.13 | stew | !fgi inc|freaky difference+between+xfree+xorg |
| 22:48.13 | cafuego | uraclea_laptop: why? |
| 22:48.14 | dpkg | inc|freaky: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=difference+between+xfree+xorg |
| 22:48.15 | Xorg | dondelelcaro: oki should be a bug in psi I got nothing in capital letter |
| 22:48.35 | Rambo3 | swf player just destroyed mozilla , does swf player install auto plugin to firefox or what |
| 22:48.40 | inc|freaky | grr ;p awkay |
| 22:48.41 | dondelelcaro | Xorg: what the hell is psi? |
| 22:48.52 | Xorg | irc over jabber |
| 22:49.02 | Xorg | psi is a jabber client |
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| 22:49.10 | Xorg | my uni block irc |
| 22:49.11 | dondelelcaro | Xorg: oh, well, then that's probably totally broken. |
| 22:49.43 | dondelelcaro | Xorg: it may work if you turn off the linkization of things that look like URLs |
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| 22:52.07 | Xorg | dondelelcaro: can u paste it without http in front ? |
| 22:52.13 | dan|el | can someone running unstable do me a favor by installing rrdtool and running the commands here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HFMoqF84.html and letting me know the results? |
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| 22:52.27 | dondelelcaro | necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans |
| 22:52.41 | Xorg | still arf Grr |
| 22:52.44 | albo | whats a util for a changing same text over many files |
| 22:52.48 | Xorg | never mind thx anyway |
| 22:52.51 | Xorg | I have to go |
| 22:52.53 | dondelelcaro | albo: perl |
| 22:52.56 | Xorg | see u guys |
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| 22:53.16 | albo | dondelelcaro: oh python, thanks |
| 22:53.27 | dondelelcaro | uh, no. |
| 22:53.36 | albo | uh, yes |
| 22:53.43 | dan|el | albo: or sed/awk |
| 22:53.45 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why I said perl, not python. python doesn't have perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar/g' *; capabilities. |
| 22:54.00 | dan|el | oh wait, does sed do inline? |
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| 22:54.07 | albo | dondelelcaro: albo would rather die than acknowledge perl as right |
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| 22:54.09 | Epix | http://www.mslinux.org/ lolz |
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| 22:54.19 | dondelelcaro | albo: your funeral then. |
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| 22:54.58 | t0ffel | :) |
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| 22:55.03 | sjoko | hello |
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| 22:55.26 | sjoko | anyone here can help me with some ethernet issues? |
| 22:55.27 | cg0def | is it possible to mark a package as installed when it actually isn't? |
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| 22:55.49 | Blissex | cg0def: not quite, but look at equivs |
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| 22:56.05 | sjoko | i need to connect with a crossed cable to another device |
| 22:56.16 | zzz | hi! Could anybody tell me how can i change the resolution of the X server if ctrl+alt+ +/- doesn' t work? |
| 22:56.21 | x_or | Should "apt-get install subversion" work? Is there another keyword I need to use? |
| 22:56.23 | dan|el | anyone with debian unstable who has rrdtool installed already, perhaps? |
| 22:56.34 | dan|el | x_or: did you try it? |
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| 22:56.42 | x_or | I did, but it says nothing there. |
| 22:56.52 | dan|el | x_or: apt-cache search subversion |
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| 22:57.06 | beeblebrox87 | i get lots of "drive not ready for command" errors from my CD drive when trying to boot with kernel 2.6.10 or later |
| 22:57.12 | beeblebrox87 | but 2.6.9 works fine |
| 22:57.12 | Rambo3 | what should i use as quicktime plugin for firefox |
| 22:57.29 | robin_sz | mmm, software? |
| 22:57.40 | x_or | dan|el: Nothing comes back from that command, is that normal? |
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| 22:58.31 | cafuego | x_or: On woody, possibly, yes. |
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| 22:58.53 | Epix | bah, what is this program? it came up when i decided to install packages myself |
| 22:58.54 | dan|el | x_or: it doesn't come back with anything if the package doesn't exist |
| 22:59.00 | Epix | its got a menu that starts with Actions |
| 22:59.18 | cafuego | Epix: Probably 'aptitide'. |
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| 22:59.31 | x_or | OK. I see references to "apt-get install subversion" on the web, but they don't work for me. |
| 22:59.33 | dan|el | x_or: there seems to be a package on backports for it: http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/stable/subversion/binary-i386/ you can download and install with dpkg -i |
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| 22:59.46 | dan|el | x_or: because you're not using the same version of debian as they are |
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| 23:00.05 | x_or | I see. I am new to Debian, only doing this to setup a free WiFi access point for Personal Telco. |
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| 23:00.47 | beeblebrox87 | google returns only unanswered questions when searching for the error above. any ideas/ |
| 23:00.47 | beeblebrox87 | ? |
| 23:01.02 | cafuego | New to debian or new to Linux? |
| 23:02.06 | x_or | cafuego: Talking to me? New to Debian, I am a gentoo/slackware user actually. |
| 23:02.26 | Epix | cafuego: is it a good manager? |
| 23:02.51 | cafuego | x_or: Just checking. |
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| 23:03.04 | cafuego | Epix: Bettrr than most, not as good as some. |
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| 23:03.17 | Epix | cafuego: and you recomend? |
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| 23:03.37 | cafuego | Epix: Whatever you feel most comfortable with. |
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| 23:04.32 | beeblebrox87 | since nobody seems to know, where should i ask? |
| 23:04.50 | Epix | cafuego: what other ones do you think are good, i wanna try some others. console based only plz |
| 23:05.00 | Rambo3 | mozilla-plugin-vlc - multimedia plugin for Mozilla based on VLC this Pyccka bep3ia should work |
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| 23:05.20 | cafuego | Epix: dselect is probably still the best one. apt-get is usually fone. |
| 23:05.24 | cafuego | fine, too. |
| 23:05.26 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty much a choice between dselect and aptitude, IMO... |
| 23:06.00 | dondelelcaro | almost everything else is rather limited or too guified to be of any utility |
| 23:06.24 | gravity | It's sad that no one has done a really useable gui frontend |
| 23:06.33 | gravity | Synaptic is fine, but it's definitely not loveable |
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| 23:06.40 | beeblebrox87 | what's wrong with apt-get? |
| 23:06.41 | dondelelcaro | gravity: not really... it's a pretty difficult problem. |
| 23:06.45 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: lots of things. |
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| 23:06.56 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Oh, I know, but it'd be great to see it |
| 23:06.59 | beeblebrox87 | you tell it what you want, and it gets it |
| 23:07.01 | zzz | hi! Could anybody tell me how can i change the resolution of the X server if ctrl+alt+ +/- doesn' t work? (without restarting the X server). |
| 23:07.06 | gravity | I'd much prefer a great gui frontend than a tui |
| 23:07.08 | beeblebrox87 | who needs a GUI for that? |
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| 23:07.17 | beeblebrox87 | gravity: why? |
| 23:07.21 | Blissex | zzz: 'xrandr' |
| 23:07.30 | gravity | beeblebrox87: Aesthetics |
| 23:07.32 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: it doesn't handle multiple versions elegantly, it doesn't upgrade sanely all the time, and it's got other issues as well. |
| 23:07.38 | beeblebrox87 | GUIs make sense for a lot of things, but slapping them on everything is silly |
| 23:07.40 | Blissex | zzz: but note that in general you can only switch between predefined sizes. |
| 23:07.50 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: apt-get is really just a test for libapt. |
| 23:07.51 | beeblebrox87 | dondelelcaro: and a GUI front-end would fix that? |
| 23:07.56 | |ac3| | any managed to get a new 2.6 kernel working on a dell poweredge 1850 or 2850? |
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| 23:08.04 | gravity | beeblebrox87: No, he's telling you to use aptitude or dselect |
| 23:08.10 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: no, not GUI necessarily. But things like aptitude have fixed a lot of problems. |
| 23:08.12 | beeblebrox87 | why? |
| 23:08.13 | gravity | i.e. a real frontend |
| 23:08.29 | zzz | Blissex: just a program make me 320x200 resolution, so i just wanna change back. |
| 23:08.42 | beeblebrox87 | i've never had any problems whatsoever with apt-get |
| 23:08.54 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: if you've ever tried to resolve a complex dependency problem with apt-get while tracking unstable, you'd understand. |
| 23:09.08 | gravity | beeblebrox87: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/07/msg02135.html |
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| 23:09.15 | oigres | Hi guys, I'm installing some unix software on my computer and I can't add the libpath to my path.. I'm trying `export LD_PATH=$LD_PATH:/some/new/path/to/lib Can some one help? |
| 23:09.28 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: while you have to run a few dozen apt-get commands, with database churning in between, I can resolve the problem in a few dozen +/- keys. |
| 23:10.02 | dondelelcaro | beeblebrox87: not to mention the fact that aptitude enables me to track which packages I actually wanted installed, and which just came along because some package Depends: or Recommends: them. |
| 23:10.14 | orchid | how do I enable the windows key in X, xev reports XLookupString gives 0 bytes: "" when I press it. Do I need to reconfigure the xserver or does debian have a keyboard map tool? |
| 23:10.20 | dondelelcaro | (granted, you can use debfoster or deborphan to do that, but it's less trivial) |
| 23:10.27 | CosmoDad | how do I configure exim to forward all vital mail on machine X usually directed at root/postmaster to my standard user account on machine Y, all within my home LAN? Tried eximconf, but didn't succeed |
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| 23:10.35 | zzz | blissex: thx, after using xrandr && restarting enlightenment, everything is fine. Thanks for You. |
| 23:10.36 | Blissex | orchid: are you using KDE perchance? If so there is an easy way. |
| 23:10.43 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: why not use nullmailer instead? |
| 23:10.45 | Blissex | zzz: good... |
| 23:10.48 | orchid | Blissex: Xfce4 |
| 23:10.54 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: unless you actually need a fullblown MTA on that machine, use something else. |
| 23:11.17 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: I can hardly remember what nullmailer is and will take a look... |
| 23:11.23 | oigres | CosmoDad: /etc/aliases is your friend... Something like `root: user@host.lan` is the line you want! |
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| 23:11.28 | Blissex | orchid: the bad news then is that you need to check out 'xkeycaps' and/or 'setxkbmap' and/or change the config in your X server startup file. |
| 23:11.35 | chugga | can i close a port on my system? |
| 23:11.43 | oigres | chugga: certainly! |
| 23:11.45 | gravity | chugga: Just shut off the service using it |
| 23:11.53 | CosmoDad | dondelelcaro: I thought exim-server-light(?) was something like nullmailer... |
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| 23:12.00 | gravity | chugga: You can also use iptables or whatever to explicitly block it |
| 23:12.06 | chugga | nah thats not what i mean |
| 23:12.07 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: no... |
| 23:12.07 | gravity | Preferrably both |
| 23:12.10 | oigres | Hi guys, I'm installing some unix software on my computer and I can't add the libpath to my path.. I'm trying `export LD_PATH=$LD_PATH:/some/new/path/to/lib Can some one help? |
| 23:12.12 | chugga | i mean i have a connection open and i want to kill it, |
| 23:12.25 | dondelelcaro | CosmoDad: exim is a full blown MTA... if you're just delivering to a smart host, you really don't need it. |
| 23:12.27 | gravity | ouch... that I don't know |
| 23:12.29 | grendal_prime | ok..im getting strange buffer errors from my cdrom drive when i try and install these files that requre unzip |
| 23:12.30 | CosmoDad | oigres: ok and how'd I configure the systems using eximconf? as satellite systems? |
| 23:12.40 | oigres | chugga: You have to investigate first which program is opening that port. |
| 23:12.41 | grendal_prime | anyone have any idea how that happens? |
| 23:12.42 | orchid | Blissex: ok, theyre part of the xserver package? or I need to get them? |
| 23:12.50 | dondelelcaro | oigres: what exactly is the error that you're getting? |
| 23:13.01 | Epix | why the hell is mutt being installed?! |
| 23:13.03 | Empty | chugga use lsof and netstat to track it down and kill the process |
| 23:13.04 | Blissex | orchid: 'xkeycaps' is a nice X application, and 'setxkbmap' is a command line one. |
| 23:13.10 | gravity | oigres: Try doing "ldconfig" after that maybe |
| 23:13.12 | chugga | oigres, i restarted my wm to start it .. it was a server, and i cant see it on ps |
| 23:13.12 | dondelelcaro | oigres: and it's LD_LIBRARY_PATH, not LD_PATH |
| 23:13.19 | oigres | CosmoDad: try dpkg-reconfigure exim (or exim4) dpending what you have installed! |
| 23:13.24 | brrrt | hello all |
| 23:13.31 | gravity | Ah, dondelelcaro hit it |
| 23:13.41 | oigres | dondelelcaro: Thanks a lot ! I thought it was the other... |
| 23:13.49 | dondelelcaro | oigres: man ld.so; will help you out |
| 23:13.54 | Blissex | orchid: 'apt-get install xkeycaps', and 'setxkbmap' is part of the base X package. |
| 23:14.04 | chugga | oh my god, lsof gives a lot of output |
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| 23:14.06 | orchid | Blissex: thanks |
| 23:14.21 | CosmoDad | oigres: I know how to access the configuration dialog, I'm just not sure what to choose: machine X is to forward all root-mail to machine Y, machine Y should not mail to anyone, that's it |
| 23:14.24 | Empty | chugga: all hail grep |
| 23:14.36 | dondelelcaro | Epix: because something Depends: or Recommends: mutt | mail-user-agent; most likely. |
| 23:14.38 | CosmoDad | oigres: how would such a system be eximconf'ed like? |
| 23:14.41 | Blissex | orchid: most likely you lied to the X configurator and told it that you dont have a keyboard with 104/105 keys. |
| 23:14.46 | brrrt | i am using debian unstable, q: is python known to be broken in sid? i have problems with it and since todays upgrade nautilus refuses to start :( |
| 23:14.53 | chugga | done. |
| 23:14.58 | chugga | cheers debian! |
| 23:15.09 | orchid | Blissex: ive tried with 104 and with "microsoft" |
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| 23:15.38 | Empty | chugga, grep for TCP ;) |
| 23:15.47 | Empty | chugga, in the lsof output |
| 23:15.55 | chugga | i just grepped for the port, |
| 23:16.00 | gravity | Or just use netstat |
| 23:16.01 | chugga | and kill `pidof process`'d it |
| 23:16.05 | chugga | netstat sucks man, |
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| 23:16.12 | oigres | CosmoDad: it looks sensible. You should run the comand I told you on both computers. One has to be defined as a satellite, the other one (the server) as a normal mail server which relays from the first one (Gosh, I hope I am correct on that, I have not done it for quite a while... take a look at the exim documentation just in case...). |
| 23:16.16 | Empty | Oh... That will work but it is pretty sucky if you are looking for like finger or something ;) |
| 23:16.47 | Empty | and plus the port is not displayed if theres a services entry ;) |
| 23:16.51 | chugga | Empty, ok, so what do you suggest instead ? |
| 23:17.15 | Empty | chugga, I just grep for TCP on the lsof output then look through (much smaller) list |
| 23:17.33 | CosmoDad | oigres: ok... |
| 23:17.43 | x_or | dan|el: I am sorry to bug, but how do I install this with dpkg -i, just enter the URL, or download the packages? I tried this but it complains about dependencies. |
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| 23:18.07 | oigres | CosmoDad: no problem mate! |
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| 23:18.19 | CosmoDad | oigres: choosing "local delivery" for the machine that is to receive the mail is probably wrong is it? |
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| 23:19.27 | oigres | CosmoDad: Yes, indeed. You should choose it as a big server. You can later on tune it to receive mail only from some servers you want. |
| 23:19.58 | x_or | Or, does anyone else know how to install subversion on a brand new debian 3.0 box? |
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| 23:20.13 | CosmoDad | oigres: argh, sounds like more work than I thought. Maybe nullmailer will be easier to configure as dondelelcaro suggested... |
| 23:20.22 | antennae | anyone here can help me with some ethernet issues? |
| 23:20.29 | antennae | i need to connect with a crossed cable to another device |
| 23:20.30 | grendal_prime | is there a way to increase the buffer size for a cdrom? |
| 23:20.31 | tarzeau | antennae: we can't read mind |
| 23:20.36 | grendal_prime | dvd/cdrom |
| 23:20.37 | tarzeau | antennae: just do it? |
| 23:20.40 | oigres | CosmoDad: I have never used nullmailer, but exim is bloody good :=) |
| 23:20.50 | cafuego | grendal_prime: Buy a new one. |
| 23:20.54 | antennae | tarzeau: i wish so |
| 23:21.06 | x_or | antennae: Just choose an IP for one box, and a different one for the other, connect the cable, and you are done. |
| 23:21.07 | cafuego | grendal_prime: (withg a built-in buffer) |
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| 23:21.36 | CosmoDad | oigres: I guess I have to dig into exim configuration files quite a lot to make my server work locally only? |
| 23:21.43 | grendal_prime | hmmm in a laptop |
| 23:21.46 | cafuego | grendal_prime: I think pretty much all of 'em are 2Mb these days. |
| 23:21.48 | antennae | x_or: yeah, but first i have to change ip for this box, i presume. i'm connected to a router |
| 23:22.07 | grendal_prime | well im trying to unzip files that are aparently..to frigging big |
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| 23:22.19 | antennae | the other "box" is a rio karma music/HD device |
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| 23:22.21 | cafuego | grendal_prime: eh? |
| 23:22.26 | grendal_prime | drive errors with buffer problem..then croaks the copy |
| 23:22.30 | oigres | CosmoDad: that type of configuration is not too difficult. You just have to spend a bit of time on that. It's a shame i don't remember what you have to change.. |
| 23:22.38 | x_or | antennae: OK, does the rio have a static or dynamic IP? |
| 23:22.42 | cafuego | grendal_prime: Flip the drive to PIO mode. |
| 23:22.49 | Kvant | x_or, you can install subversion from backports.org |
| 23:23.00 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 23:23.06 | grendal_prime | how would i go about that? |
| 23:23.12 | x_or | Kvant: I see that site, but am unclear how to use it. dpkg -i with the URL to it doesn't seem to install. |
| 23:23.14 | cafuego | grendal_prime: disable dma on it, then attempt the copy again. |
| 23:23.27 | antennae | x_or: it has both. it could be set with dhcp, and it could be set with static ip |
| 23:23.27 | grendal_prime | hmmm... |
| 23:23.33 | Kvant | x_or, you need to add a deb line to your sources.list |
| 23:23.34 | grendal_prime | any quick way of doing that |
| 23:23.37 | x_or | Ah, OK. |
| 23:23.45 | grendal_prime | dma=0 with hdparm?? |
| 23:23.45 | cafuego | grendal_prime: hdparm ... |
| 23:23.53 | CosmoDad | oigres: np you helped me out. I'll try it out |
| 23:23.57 | grendal_prime | k |
| 23:23.58 | x_or | In /etc/sources.list add that URL to backports.org/.../subversion? |
| 23:24.01 | antennae | x_or: the easiest way would ofcourse be to get myself a switch |
| 23:24.03 | grendal_prime | well have to go to other job |
| 23:24.06 | oigres | CosmoDad: Good luck with that. |
| 23:24.07 | grendal_prime | ill brb |
| 23:24.10 | x_or | antennae: Yep, true. |
| 23:24.19 | antennae | but i have a crossed cable and i want it to work NOW:) |
| 23:25.08 | Kvant | x_or, this one should work: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ stable subversion |
| 23:25.08 | CosmoDad | oigres: thx |
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| 23:26.35 | brrrt | can anyone tell me please if there is a channel where people talk about broken packages in unstable? :D |
| 23:26.59 | PerfDave | brrrt: The BTS? debian-devel? |
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| 23:28.14 | brrrt | PerfDave: ah, thx |
| 23:28.14 | antennae | x_or: so the question is: how to set my computer up with a temporary ip for transferring files over to the karma? |
| 23:28.26 | x_or | What type of computer, windows or hopefully debian? |
| 23:28.35 | antennae | debian, yes |
| 23:28.41 | x_or | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 will do it. |
| 23:28.51 | x_or | Then just pull the files as you wish. |
| 23:29.03 | antennae | and then back to the other adress? |
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| 23:29.18 | antennae | allright i'll give it a try |
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| 23:31.46 | x_or | Kvant: Thanks a bunch, that worked. |
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| 23:33.29 | jarango | Can I have my system display console messages on a X11 terminal ? |
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| 23:33.41 | thomas_adam | jarango: man xconsole. |
| 23:33.44 | Epix | the day that linux rules MS is the day that more than 50% of existing software is for linux... wow, that takes a while. we could settle for a kind of emulater, wine could never run much for me |
| 23:33.49 | jarango | thanks |
| 23:34.20 | thomas_adam | Epix: What are you talking about? |
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| 23:36.14 | amahbod | hello all |
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| 23:36.45 | amahbod | i have a set of directories containing mp3s, and i want to grab all the mp3s out of all sub directories and move them to another folder |
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| 23:36.56 | amahbod | what is the best way to do that? |
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| 23:37.10 | amahbod | for example, i have a music folder with artists names as sub folders |
| 23:37.14 | SeRGiNaToR | hi people |
| 23:37.17 | amahbod | hello. |
| 23:37.39 | amahbod | looks like there may not be many people here today |
| 23:37.55 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: use find with mv |
| 23:37.55 | daww | Where is the kernel config file located after I have done "make menuconfig"? |
| 23:38.07 | kimo | daww .config |
| 23:38.08 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: alternatively, use find with rename. |
| 23:38.10 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, can you explain a bit further? |
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| 23:38.17 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, i tried this command: |
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| 23:38.35 | SeRGiNaToR | abrotman, are you here all the day? :P |
| 23:38.36 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, mv `find .` /newlocation/ |
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| 23:39.24 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, it acts like every space is a new argument |
| 23:39.29 | airox | Hi, my vsftpd server isn't working like i wanted. When some clients are trying to access it, it gives permission denied even before it asks for a password. Does somebody know what could be wrong ? |
| 23:39.49 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, so songs with spaces do not copy (which is basically every song) |
| 23:40.05 | Kvant | amahbod, try this: find . -name "*.mp3" -exec mv -i {} /newlocation \; |
| 23:40.15 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: no .. i'm at home |
| 23:40.32 | SeRGiNaToR | ahm |
| 23:40.33 | amahbod | that is all one command? |
| 23:40.40 | Kvant | amahbod, yes |
| 23:40.41 | SeRGiNaToR | :P |
| 23:40.41 | Brown | Can anyone point me to a Howto t oget USB (specifically gphoto2) working with linux 2.6/Debian unstable? |
| 23:40.49 | daww | kimo, I have done "gzip -cd linux-2.6.10.tar.gz | tar zvf -" and "make xconfig", and saved the file but I dont find .config... |
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| 23:41.20 | kimo | daww /usr/src/linux* u will find .config |
| 23:41.21 | SeRGiNaToR | this afternoon I didn't catch you when you told me to reboot... |
| 23:41.55 | daww | kimo, ok it was hidden |
| 23:42.01 | SeRGiNaToR | I'm really hopeless... |
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| 23:42.31 | amahbod | Kvant, you are the man |
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| 23:43.01 | SeRGiNaToR | /dev/hda1 /dev/hda5 and /dev/hdd1 are always busy but noone are mounted... |
| 23:43.17 | PinkFreud | heya folks. I'm having a bit of a difficult time with the webcalendar package. |
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| 23:43.33 | PinkFreud | according to apt, it relies on (among other things) apache | httpd |
| 23:44.11 | SeRGiNaToR | abrotman, could I open you a private? |
| 23:44.22 | bucky | SeRGiNaToR, if they're listed in /etc/mtab then they are mounted |
| 23:44.32 | PinkFreud | As I have apache2-mpm-prefork installed (which satisfies the httpd requirement), I'm just a little puzzled as to why apt insists it wants to install apache-{utils,common} - which are 1.3.x. |
| 23:44.49 | SeRGiNaToR | bucky they aren't listed in /etc/mtab |
| 23:44.56 | bucky | SeRGiNaToR, no idea |
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| 23:45.30 | PinkFreud | is this a bug in apt? |
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| 23:45.54 | bucky | PinkFreud, prolly cause you have apache installed as well as apache2 |
| 23:46.03 | PinkFreud | I *did*. :) |
| 23:46.09 | PinkFreud | no longer, though |
| 23:46.15 | bucky | aparently no |
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| 23:46.24 | cool_blade | how do you see a list of groups |
| 23:46.43 | abrotman | SeRGiNaToR: prefer you didn't . i'm not really paying attention |
| 23:46.47 | zoor | hmm... Im trying to ask the bot dpkg and it says Im not in the user list? |
| 23:46.56 | PinkFreud | bucky: can I paste what 'dpkg -l apache\*' shows me in a private msg to you? |
| 23:46.58 | bucky | PinkFreud, apache comes in about three packages apache, apache-common and whatever else |
| 23:47.03 | bucky | no |
| 23:47.08 | SeRGiNaToR | ok |
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| 23:47.20 | cool_blade | Anyone know how to retrieve a list of groups ? other then viewing /etc/groups |
| 23:47.27 | aati | re |
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| 23:47.33 | PinkFreud | bucky: ok - the short of it is - it shows I have apache2-common, apache2-doc, and apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 23:47.38 | SeRGiNaToR | and there's any way to ask something to debian developers? This problem is not usual... |
| 23:47.43 | dondelelcaro | cool_blade: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 23:47.57 | PinkFreud | erk. |
| 23:48.04 | airox | cool_blade: awk -F : '{print $1}' /etc/group ? |
| 23:48.11 | dondelelcaro | SeRGiNaToR: you generally don't ask developers directly. You file bugs if there's a problem, ask -user if it's a user related question, or ask -devel if it's a developer related question |
| 23:48.16 | cool_blade | dondelelcaro - well i have multiple pulls for groups, from /etc/group, winbind, and ldap |
| 23:48.17 | PinkFreud | oddly, apache, apache-common, and apache-utils say 'pn', not 'un' |
| 23:48.24 | bucky | PinkFreud, well you have an apache (1.3) package in there somewhere that still wants it's dependancies satisfied |
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| 23:48.35 | bucky | you can have both apaches on one system |
| 23:48.44 | cool_blade | i want to be able to view all the groups |
| 23:48.45 | PinkFreud | what DOES 'pn' mean in dpkg -l ? |
| 23:48.47 | SeRGiNaToR | ajam... |
| 23:49.14 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: that means that you asked for it to be purged, and it's not installed. |
| 23:49.31 | PinkFreud | might this be why apt is becoming confused? |
| 23:49.38 | *** part/#debian airox (airox@airox.user) |
| 23:49.41 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: read the "Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold" "Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed" header. |
| 23:49.47 | dvs | PinkFreud: No, it means it's not installed |
| 23:49.51 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: no, there's nothing wierd with a package that is 'pn' |
| 23:50.01 | PinkFreud | hmm. |
| 23:50.17 | PinkFreud | then I don't see why apt thinks I have apache 1.3.x installed. |
| 23:50.43 | dvs | PinkFreud: Maybe you're asking for the wrong package |
| 23:50.52 | dvs | PinkFreud: Try apache-common |
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| 23:50.58 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: use paster to paste the output of your apt-get run, dpkg -l apache*; and apt-cache policy; |
| 23:51.04 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 23:51.04 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 23:51.07 | aati | all: on my sarge, gkrellm. firefox, licq makes many-many zombie processes.. does anybody know something about this problem? |
| 23:51.25 | dondelelcaro | !zombies |
| 23:51.25 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 23:51.30 | dondelelcaro | aati: ^^ |
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| 23:52.05 | SeRGiNaToR | dondelelcaro, I think it's probably a bug, because it's not logic... first time I boot debian, when installing, I rewrite my /etc/fstab, mounted my partitions, all works, but then I rebooted my pc and since then, I can't mount this partitions, they are always busy and I tried a lot of things, helped by abrotman and valdyn_ ... and nothing |
| 23:52.06 | paster | "cool_blade" at 61.8.110.43 pasted "awesome" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/291 |
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| 23:52.21 | cool_blade | hey that paster is awesome |
| 23:52.36 | amahbod | how do i add something before a bunch of files |
| 23:52.49 | amahbod | like if i have a bunch of files named Track01 to Track1000 |
| 23:52.58 | amahbod | i want to say Artist - Track01 |
| 23:53.00 | amahbod | for all of them |
| 23:53.02 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: rename |
| 23:53.06 | aati | dondelelcaro: ok, i know, but it's not too nice to kill these programs every hour... :( |
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| 23:53.24 | dondelelcaro | aati: well, they're probably buggy, or whatever it is that they're spawning is buggy. |
| 23:53.36 | paster | "jerky" at 213.232.83.89 pasted "xfree error" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/292 |
| 23:53.40 | dondelelcaro | aati: you can just ignore the zombies though |
| 23:53.44 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, so it would be like |
| 23:54.04 | fruers | What is the best way to install the WMV codecs under sarge? |
| 23:54.24 | kimo | fruers, w32codecs |
| 23:54.27 | cool_blade | Anyone know how to generate a list of groups? Surely they'res a command that list what groups you have on a system? |
| 23:54.44 | kimo | cool_blade, cat /etc/group |
| 23:54.46 | SeRGiNaToR | dondelelcaro, the utility for do that is bug? reportbug? |
| 23:54.47 | zoor | is there a way to see a users password if you're root on a system? |
| 23:54.52 | dondelelcaro | cool_blade: all of the groups in the system comes from /etc/groups; unless you're using ldap |
| 23:54.55 | dondelelcaro | zoor: no. |
| 23:55.02 | petemc | zoor: passwd user |
| 23:55.02 | amahbod | rename 's/*/^artist$1/' mp3files |
| 23:55.06 | dondelelcaro | zoor: if you need to reset it, use passwd. |
| 23:55.07 | cool_blade | kimo: i have ldap and winbind |
| 23:55.09 | petemc | oh, see |
| 23:55.14 | cool_blade | dondelelcaro: i have ldap and winbind |
| 23:55.21 | zoor | thanks petemc and dondelelcaro :) |
| 23:55.31 | aati | dondelelcaro: can't ignore, becouse the system runs out of resources, or something similar... |
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| 23:55.42 | petemc | zoor: that wont let you see it, but change it |
| 23:55.57 | PinkFreud | http://psychology.rutgers.edu/~sauron/debian-help.txt |
| 23:55.59 | zoor | petemc, yeah I got it. But it does the trick :) |
| 23:56.10 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 23:56.17 | fruers | kimo: Can't find that package, do i have to add another apt source? |
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| 23:56.30 | dondelelcaro | aati: eh? the system won't run out of resources because you've got a few zombies |
| 23:56.39 | kimo | fruers, apt-cache search w32codecs |
| 23:56.45 | kimo | fruers, apt-cache search w32codecs-all |
| 23:57.08 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, whats the exact command i would need |
| 23:57.14 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, i forgot how to use regular expressions |
| 23:57.23 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, :( |
| 23:57.39 | aati | dondelelcaro: not few, they multiplies.... |
| 23:57.43 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: rename '$_ = qq(Artist - $_)'; |
| 23:58.21 | dondelelcaro | aati: they shouldn't be multiplying. What is this process that is causing so many zombies? |
| 23:58.27 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, so for all the files in the directory |
| 23:58.36 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, i replace $_ with * |
| 23:58.36 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: * |
| 23:58.40 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: no. |
| 23:58.43 | aati | dondelelcaro: firefox, gkrellm and licq |
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| 23:58.55 | fruers | kimo: No go, i only have standard sarge apt sources, is that ok? |
| 23:58.55 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: rename '$_ = qq(Artist - $_)' *; |
| 23:58.59 | dondelelcaro | amahbod: man rename; |
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| 23:59.12 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: dondelelcaro get my url? |
| 23:59.13 | dondelelcaro | aati: are those the things that are zombies? Or just the things that are creating them? |
| 23:59.19 | PinkFreud | wow, seeing double... |
| 23:59.21 | dondelelcaro | !depends webcalendar |
| 23:59.27 | dpkg | webcalendar: depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, php4, php4-cli | php4-cgi, php4-mysql | php4-pgsql, apache | httpd |
| 23:59.37 | fruers | kimo: Another question, when i use "apt-cache search", what fields does it search in the package? |