| 00:00.19 | streuner | well, apt is friendlier ;-) |
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| 00:00.42 | reknit | how can i control where my remote logs go to in syslog? or can i control that from the receiving machine? |
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| 00:01.23 | directhex | reknit, the receiving machine splits everything it recives into log files. the sending machine just gives a target ip address |
| 00:01.44 | directhex | reknit, or acts as a receiver & does splitting to local files, of course |
| 00:01.46 | cat | !gaim |
| 00:01.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. |
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| 00:02.30 | reknit | directhex: so how do i tell syslog what to do with the logging data its receiving? (what do i do in syslog.conf) |
| 00:02.38 | chugga | !kopete |
| 00:02.38 | dpkg | kopete is, like, extra, extra, read all about it, kopete is a flexible and extendable multiple protocol instant messaging system designed as a plugin-based system. All protocols are plugins and allow modular installment, configuration, and usage without the main application knowing anything about the plugin being loaded. http://kopete.kde.org .. sources.list line for cvs: deb http://kopete.creativa.cl/debian/sid/ ./ |
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| 00:02.50 | chugga | an alternative :) |
| 00:03.09 | directhex | reknit, man syslog.conf is REALLY the best option |
| 00:03.10 | rw | does anyone know why don't we have a mono-dev package? |
| 00:03.20 | streuner | cat, chugga: don't flood us with that randam crap, because i might get a headache ;-) |
| 00:03.22 | directhex | reknit, even has examples! |
| 00:03.41 | reknit | directhex: not my manpage =( |
| 00:03.44 | chugga | streuner, randomness is just incomplete information, |
| 00:03.51 | reknit | ...or i missed it |
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| 00:06.48 | reknit | directhex: i'm seeing how to control it from the machine sending the logs, but the machine sending me the log data is a router and i cant control it from that end |
| 00:07.49 | ssc | use a cron job with logrotate |
| 00:08.06 | streuner | reknit: why are you even care, if you aren't able to control the gateway then? |
| 00:08.21 | directhex | reknit, the sending machine only has one entry, the ip address to send to. the machine that has all the common syslog data splits the incpling info by category (mail, kern, whatever) and urgency (critical, debug, normal, whatever). the logs for ALL machines are mixed |
| 00:08.30 | cappicard | got a silly question: If I were to use dd to copy from one drive two another (like dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc bs=1024k), would that screw up the partition tables (and/or lose data) if both drives' geometries are different, but the same size? |
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| 00:08.48 | reknit | directhex: so i cant filter them? |
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| 00:09.09 | reknit | ...by machine? |
| 00:09.18 | directhex | reknit, by machine? no. |
| 00:09.31 | reknit | directhex: ah, k, thanks... |
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| 00:10.31 | reknit | directhex: damn router sends ALL log data to its remote syslog server, including every single blocked packet.. filling up the log files quick =P |
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| 00:10.50 | directhex | reknit, so don't log that data type |
| 00:11.20 | FieldySnuts | you can control that with any router that's worth a damn, definately ciscos |
| 00:11.44 | reknit | FieldySnuts, well ya, but my $99 USR isn't really worth a damn =P |
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| 00:12.00 | FieldySnuts | shrug thats what ya get for getting shitty hardware |
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| 00:12.04 | chugga | streuner, if i randomly shuffle my mp3 playlist (or ogg for you nutters) before playing and then start playing from the top .. is that the same as if i choose the next song to be played at random provided a song already played doesnt play again - |
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| 00:12.33 | schuler | hi |
| 00:12.41 | cat | schuler: hi |
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| 00:15.03 | airox | What would be the normal highest uptime for a regular debian machine ? |
| 00:15.13 | FieldySnuts | heh how could anyone answer that |
| 00:15.14 | airox | Like in when DOES it have to restart in order to keep it patched. |
| 00:15.17 | streuner | 4445 days ;-) |
| 00:15.23 | phogg | airox: something like 10 years |
| 00:15.25 | Fluten | is there a command that can change the keyboard layout temporarily while in command line only mode? kind of like what setxkbmap does in x |
| 00:15.34 | airox | Be honoust please :P |
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| 00:15.53 | streuner | airox: those values sucks, because have you any idea what someone do on that box? |
| 00:16.06 | FieldySnuts | inbound trollfeds |
| 00:16.08 | FieldySnuts | inbound trollfest |
| 00:16.14 | cat | !tell Fluten about locales |
| 00:16.16 | phogg | airox: I am being honest. I could be running kernel 1.2 on a debian box that has not had a kernel patch applied since the mid 90s |
| 00:16.17 | stu8 | I was just in #flood... and they said "dont pester us with debian questions !" :) |
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| 00:16.38 | Fluten | cat, ty, ill try that |
| 00:16.39 | jorgp | has xserver been fixed yet? |
| 00:16.45 | FieldySnuts | it was broken? |
| 00:16.56 | phogg | X has always been broken |
| 00:16.57 | jorgp | is -13 been released |
| 00:16.59 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 00:17.10 | FieldySnuts | @irritate jorgp |
| 00:17.13 | ravenbird | jorgp: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd plz msg me, haidobrix` |
| 00:17.15 | streuner | !info xserver-common |
| 00:17.15 | airox | Well I did hear some uptimes about windows machines, but never even realised how often a linux server has to reboot ... |
| 00:17.21 | dpkg | xserver-common: (files and utilities common to all X servers), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 318 kB, Installed size: 984 kB |
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| 00:17.25 | reknit | airox, expect a new kernel every few months, if you care about an 0-day kernel, but i personally stick with 2.0.x, never yet had a real reason to upgrade |
| 00:17.32 | FieldySnuts | haidobrix`: I have no idea why ravenbird said that, wasn't my intention |
| 00:17.49 | phogg | airox: a linux server has to reboot for kernel patches only |
| 00:18.01 | phogg | airox: and hardware upgrades, of course. |
| 00:18.03 | FieldySnuts | and hardware failures (of non-hotswap stuff) |
| 00:18.04 | clav | or changes to the bootloader |
| 00:18.27 | jorgp | !info xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:18.33 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 5577 kB, Installed size: 15568 kB |
| 00:18.42 | streuner | jorgp: yep |
| 00:18.51 | airox | Let's assume there are zero hardware failures or hardware upgrades for ten years. How long would it be online without rebooting ? |
| 00:19.02 | airox | So how often do these kernel patches appear / |
| 00:19.04 | airox | ? |
| 00:19.10 | streuner | jorgp: dpkg is prolly not up to date, x works now in sid |
| 00:19.15 | FieldySnuts | maybe once or twice a year, rough guess |
| 00:19.24 | phogg | airox: daily, hourly |
| 00:19.24 | kethinov | airox, what about kernel upgrades |
| 00:19.34 | FieldySnuts | i'm going to call it 6 months, you can of course go past that but if it's an important kernel patch, you're a jackass if you ignore it |
| 00:19.42 | cafuego | But if patches don't pertain to yuor hardware, don't bother updating your kernel. |
| 00:20.08 | chugga | if it was a better designed kernel there wouldnt even be any down time |
| 00:20.27 | airox | live kernel changes ? :) |
| 00:20.29 | jorgp | streuner: I am updating now |
| 00:20.30 | FieldySnuts | don't mind chugga, he trolls every chance he gets, like on ogg |
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| 00:20.51 | chugga | FieldySnuts ? |
| 00:20.54 | phogg | dpkg, start a kernel war |
| 00:20.54 | dpkg | winNT is better than linux! |
| 00:21.01 | FieldySnuts | heh phogg |
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| 00:21.10 | streuner | jorgp: you don't need more space, but i dunno if x works yet... |
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| 00:21.26 | jstevens | hrrm... :19:28:56 up 94 days, 12:57, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ... and that's oly because the electic company doesn't know how to be dependable |
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| 00:21.34 | stu8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.43 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a language war |
| 00:21.44 | ravenbird | COBOL is faster than ML |
| 00:21.56 | phogg | airox: for live kernel changes you need a microkernel architecture, or for the change to be in a kernel module. |
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| 00:22.23 | chugga | phogg, cool. hurd will have that, |
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| 00:22.26 | airox | phogg: It was just a brain splash :-) |
| 00:22.29 | reknit | my ibook has a 10 day uptime =P |
| 00:22.42 | streuner | jorgp: listbugs told me nothing, so i guess it works. |
| 00:22.43 | FieldySnuts | if hurd ever comes out before 2042 |
| 00:22.48 | callipygous | ibooks are sweet |
| 00:22.50 | thorie | reknit: good battery? |
| 00:22.50 | chugga | reknit, so? i've done 200+ on my inspiron |
| 00:22.56 | stu8 | reknit... no fair... you have to DO stuff... not just have it on :) |
| 00:23.03 | callipygous | i had 30 days on my crappy x86 |
| 00:23.09 | jorgp | streuner: reason I asked is the topic |
| 00:23.15 | paulswm | I think there's something in Revelation about Hurd coming out |
| 00:23.15 | callipygous | then I turned it off, cus the power bill was soaring heheh |
| 00:23.21 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: haha |
| 00:23.22 | reknit | thorie, na, goes to sleep mode when it runs low enugh |
| 00:23.28 | phogg | airox: my workstation rarely gets more than a month of uptime, 'cause I'm always patching my kernel, or losing power, or something. |
| 00:23.41 | callipygous | yup |
| 00:23.41 | thorie | my longest uptime is 68 minutes |
| 00:23.48 | callipygous | always something |
| 00:23.48 | haidobrix` | what ? |
| 00:23.54 | jstevens | thorie: .... nice |
| 00:23.54 | haidobrix` | stoinov |
| 00:23.55 | stu8 | thorie... stop using win95 :) |
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| 00:24.07 | callipygous | heh |
| 00:24.07 | phogg | airox: really critical kernel patches come out irregularly, but I would guess not more than one or at msot two a year |
| 00:24.12 | callipygous | os2/warp4 baby |
| 00:24.21 | airox | phogg: Such numbers would be nice :-) |
| 00:24.24 | FieldySnuts | had a system with 380 or something just past a year, but thats it. i find it interesting, but I don't see it as anything to brag about, big uptimes mean you haven't been patching the kernel for vulns, which i'd recon come out at least once a year, maybe twice |
| 00:24.37 | thorie | stu8: usually im done much sooner than that, then my girlfriend and i go to sleep |
| 00:24.40 | chugga | well thats the beauty of running a laptop. when the power goes out you have some time backup. |
| 00:24.42 | FieldySnuts | only reason it came down was power supply failure (redundant. both failed.) |
| 00:24.47 | slocate | how there are no pakgs for neither urxvt nor mrxvt? |
| 00:25.11 | airox | Does the debian security announcements mailinglist include these critical kernel patches ? |
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| 00:25.41 | sobersabre | is there an evolution2 into mozilla/thunderbird import filter/converter/perl script ? |
| 00:25.44 | FieldySnuts | i'd imagine so, I don't depend on any distro to keep my kernel in shape, take care of it myself |
| 00:25.54 | cafuego | airox: They announce when a new kernel (with patches) is released, yes. |
| 00:26.00 | FieldySnuts | stoinov: stop messaging me, that's three times now |
| 00:26.04 | airox | k, cool! |
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| 00:26.11 | FieldySnuts | now he's versioning me, can we get rid of this tit |
| 00:26.13 | stu8 | can I... archive.. all the debian packages I currently use on a CD... and then reload the whole CD as a fresh install ? |
| 00:26.26 | reknit | FieldySnuts, i had a p60 w/ 2.0.36 do 270days on no UPS, felt i owed the utilities company a medal when it finally did go down |
| 00:26.27 | callipygous | FieldySnuts: maybe he likes you ;) |
| 00:26.30 | cafuego | sobersabre: The 'IMAP Server' "filter" always works. |
| 00:26.32 | stoinov | FieldySnuts: stop write my nick on channel |
| 00:26.38 | FieldySnuts | stoinov: I didn't, stop trolling |
| 00:26.51 | FieldySnuts | oh sod off you pissant. ignored. |
| 00:26.53 | sobersabre | cafuego, can u point my nose into what this is ? |
| 00:27.04 | sobersabre | i keep email locally, not on server. |
| 00:27.26 | stoinov | stupid moron :) |
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| 00:27.36 | cafuego | sobersabre: Set up an imap server, you can access your mail on that with pretty much ANY client, without ever needing to convert. And yes, you can run the imap server on localhost. |
| 00:27.45 | airox | stu8: I guess it is possible. |
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| 00:27.52 | airox | So, Yes. |
| 00:27.56 | FieldySnuts | i used pop3 for ages. tried imap, haven't looked back |
| 00:27.56 | jstevens | stu8: :-) . I dont' see why not, just download them all onto a CD, then use that CD as a source when you install |
| 00:28.07 | cafuego | imap is your friend. |
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| 00:28.11 | reknit | stu8: you mean like backing up your dpkg db so you could use it for a new install later? like keeping your .config? |
| 00:28.13 | slocate | hmmm, there are no pkgs for neither urxvt nor mrxvt? |
| 00:28.20 | FieldySnuts | you tell us |
| 00:28.33 | sobersabre | cafuego, before i do this. i'm checking.. i have like ... 1/2g of mails |
| 00:28.39 | FieldySnuts | by the way whoever set up ravenbird with a working @irritate , thanks |
| 00:28.44 | cafuego | sobersabre: I have over 2G, I win ;-) |
| 00:28.48 | directhex | @irritate FieldySnuts |
| 00:28.51 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: hi every1 who uses kde thx |
| 00:28.53 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 00:29.08 | sobersabre | cafuego, mine is heavier. yours has too many quotations. |
| 00:29.11 | directhex | i'm hungry :( |
| 00:29.21 | stu8 | airox... OK... jstevens... ah sounds good ! reknit... ummm... well, the problem I have is, no dvd... so I have to change CDs like ten times... and thot it might be simpler IF I could put all the packages I used together |
| 00:29.23 | sobersabre | ;-) |
| 00:29.29 | cafuego | sobersabre: Mine has a ot of 2+MB attachments. |
| 00:29.37 | streuner | !feet directhex |
| 00:29.41 | airox | directhex: Eat. Do we have to tell you everything ? :-)) |
| 00:29.42 | rellik | are there any tools that will let me monitor current bandwidth usage, other than 'bwmon' ? bwmon reports that I'm running at around 500Kbps, when windows reports the full 10Mbps.. so either there is some math that I'm forgeting about, or bwmon is wrong, or the driver isn't working properly.. any ideas? |
| 00:29.56 | directhex | airox, do you have any examples? my man page is missing |
| 00:30.11 | directhex | rellik, mbit versus mbytes? |
| 00:30.12 | airox | directhex: get back to real life mate! |
| 00:30.19 | bbrazil | rellik: how about nload? |
| 00:30.30 | directhex | airox, but the framerate sucks :/ |
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| 00:30.41 | airox | directhex: nerd! |
| 00:30.50 | airox | (-: |
| 00:31.03 | rellik | directhex don't really see how bits vs bytes would give me the numbers I'm seeing, though |
| 00:31.11 | rellik | bbrazil, isn't nload really complicated? :( |
| 00:31.11 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
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| 00:31.27 | bbrazil | rellik: its extremely simple. nload [interface] |
| 00:31.48 | paulswm | off for the evening, stay safe everyone |
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| 00:31.54 | bbrazil | rellik: you might be thinking of iptraf, I can't think of any others |
| 00:31.58 | airox | bye paulswm |
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| 00:32.10 | rellik | bbrazil, great, I'll play with nload, thanks |
| 00:32.12 | directhex | airox, http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-04-21&res=l ? |
| 00:32.12 | chealer9 | I think directhex only has "geekish tendencies" :) |
| 00:32.31 | airox | chealer9: Don't challenge him. |
| 00:32.32 | airox | :) |
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| 00:32.48 | stu8 | reknit... ummm... so, I can find all the current installed packages in ".config" ? |
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| 00:33.45 | inc|freaky | what is the best program to burn CDs and DVDs? |
| 00:33.50 | airox | directhex: heheheh |
| 00:33.54 | airox | inc|freaky: k3b ? |
| 00:34.02 | inc|freaky | has it got a gui? |
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| 00:34.09 | FieldySnuts | yes, if you have kde |
| 00:34.17 | inc|freaky | i got kde ;) |
| 00:34.22 | FieldySnuts | you'll be fine then |
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| 00:34.35 | directhex | k3b's good. i use it from xfce4 |
| 00:34.35 | FieldySnuts | very sharp application |
| 00:34.41 | reknit | stu8: no, use um, man dpkg, theres a way to list all current installed pkgs |
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| 00:34.53 | airox | I still wonder why people dislike command interfaces. They are so much powerfull. And people who decide to run unix systems as workstations normally aren't affraid for these UI's. |
| 00:34.54 | directhex | --get-selections |
| 00:34.55 | stu8 | reknit...okey thx |
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| 00:35.01 | modeman | anyone using a camera via usb? |
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| 00:35.06 | airox | modeman: yep |
| 00:35.14 | airox | modeman: quickcam express I use |
| 00:35.15 | modeman | airox: i have an hp 620 |
| 00:35.28 | modeman | airox: it is there, but i can't look into it.. |
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| 00:35.41 | bbrazil | airox: because they don't have the time, or believe so themselves. it IS a lot to have to remember |
| 00:35.48 | stu8 | directhex cool thx |
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| 00:35.59 | FieldySnuts | personal preferance that's all |
| 00:36.05 | airox | True. |
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| 00:36.28 | airox | Like windows would take less effort to learn, but is not powerfull in first hand. |
| 00:36.48 | modeman | airox: so i have the 620 added in control center, but what is the /dev name? |
| 00:37.01 | stu8 | windows would flop without graphic interfaces |
| 00:37.03 | reknit | airox, because i don't need a 'powerful interface' to check my mail and shoot the shit on irc? |
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| 00:37.12 | airox | modeman: I don't know. You could try cat /dev/video[0-9] |
| 00:37.21 | airox | and see which one would produce evil things |
| 00:37.27 | modeman | airox: ok ty |
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| 00:37.30 | modeman | heh |
| 00:37.33 | airox | reknit: You don't |
| 00:37.33 | airox | ? |
| 00:37.38 | jstevens | stu8: isn't windows w/o graphical interface simply DOS ? |
| 00:37.42 | cat | !info bootsplash |
| 00:37.45 | airox | shooting shit on irc requires to be powerfull ;-) |
| 00:37.46 | inc|freaky | i got another question: i got a remote control vor the tv-card. can i use it for anything in debian? |
| 00:37.53 | cat | !bootsplash |
| 00:37.53 | dpkg | i guess bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates) see also gensplash |
| 00:38.07 | slocate | does anybody use mrxvt? |
| 00:38.08 | stu8 | heck... without graphics, there IS no [window] to windows (sorta) |
| 00:38.09 | jstevens | cat: bootsplash is cool. IF you feel like a kernel recompile |
| 00:38.42 | stu8 | jstevens... ummm... so it has been said... but dos never had a video player (for obvious reasons :) |
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| 00:39.12 | jstevens | stu8: LOL, point taken, I think I missed the "video player" part of the conversation |
| 00:39.15 | quittt | lsdldoom: relocation error: lsdldoom: undefined symbol: music_mixer WHAT IS THAT? |
| 00:39.26 | dabreegster | When I boot up, I'd like a custom prompt displayed that just asks for a password. When it's right, it'll log em into bash. (the user is predefined or something) I know I use inittab and probably rungetty, but getting a custom prompt that just asks for the password is a bit tougher. Anybody have any ideas? |
| 00:39.50 | stu8 | ...I guess watching video as pixmaps would be novel... :) |
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| 00:40.07 | airox | Anyone ever tried novell linux for desktops btw ? (Or is this the wrong channel to ask...) |
| 00:40.20 | jstevens | stu8: LOL, no doubt |
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| 00:40.38 | jstevens | airox: #suse ? |
| 00:40.40 | stu8 | airox... you need #novelLinuxForDesktops I think :) |
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| 00:40.49 | alus | anyone here running debian in virtual pc 2k4? |
| 00:41.00 | airox | I was just wondering about how it was :-) |
| 00:41.02 | slocate | does anybody use mrxvt? |
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| 00:41.16 | jstevens | airox: I haven't |
| 00:41.16 | cafuego | slocate: Look, there aren;'t packages. Just drop it. |
| 00:41.26 | slocate | lol |
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| 00:41.32 | slocate | dag!?!? |
| 00:41.32 | stu8 | airox te only Novell Linux we know of (evidently) is Suse... which rocks... but debian outrocks it |
| 00:41.50 | dabreegster | erm, disregard that. openvt login dabreegster works great, apparently. |
| 00:41.52 | michal_d | what sort of alternatives are there to apt-proxy at the moment? |
| 00:42.03 | cafuego | You can be a dag if you want to. |
| 00:42.09 | airox | stu8: True on that. |
| 00:42.37 | slocate | freenode~cafuego: no yelling please |
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| 00:42.42 | jstevens | wasn't impressed |
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| 00:43.12 | stu8 | jstevens... yea... those corporate software seminars are a little boring |
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| 00:43.50 | jstevens | stu8: same seminar included some red-hat freak who couldn't get enough of himself in telling why SE linux was a requirement. |
| 00:44.08 | stu8 | kind of like local TV compared to the NBC saturday movie :) |
| 00:44.15 | inc|freaky | is there something like a tamagotchi for kde? :D |
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| 00:44.25 | michal_d | what's the difference between apt-cacher and apt-proxy? |
| 00:44.31 | cafuego | slocate: WHAT? |
| 00:45.11 | jeebers | fdsaf |
| 00:45.16 | michal_d | i'm going to an redhat enterprise 4 seminar in a few weeks :/ |
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| 00:45.28 | cafuego | michal_d: voluntarily? |
| 00:45.42 | jeebers | is it possible to remove all files and associations to a package manually |
| 00:45.48 | stu8 | michal... prepare to be bored to death... where shall we send the flowers ? oh... sorry :) |
| 00:45.52 | airox | I just surf to a website to get more information about a unix distro ;-)) |
| 00:45.53 | michal_d | not really.. we'll have to use it eventually so it's partially to have some familiarity with it |
| 00:45.57 | jeebers | the dpkg and all its commands won't remove it for me |
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| 00:46.09 | deadcat | jeebers: dpkg -L pkgname | xargs rm ... maybe |
| 00:46.15 | stew | yikes |
| 00:46.29 | deadcat | jeebers: --purge with apt-get ? |
| 00:46.31 | airox | What's so special about a seminar ? |
| 00:46.39 | jeebers | tried purge.. |
| 00:46.41 | cafuego | if it's anything like MS WEb Tech-Ed, it'll be a bunch of "This is why you need spend a lot of money on our product" speeches and example sof stuff any linux distro does. |
| 00:46.45 | Spark | what is the utility that allows you to mount via scp? |
| 00:46.46 | jeebers | and --force-all |
| 00:46.49 | Spark | i am sure the was one |
| 00:46.55 | Spark | does it require a kernel patch? |
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| 00:47.01 | Spark | something to do with userspace hooks |
| 00:47.01 | quittt | !sid |
| 00:47.02 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 00:47.15 | quittt | Sid will become released: |
| 00:47.16 | quittt | ? |
| 00:47.19 | chealer9 | !tell quittt about sid |
| 00:47.19 | cafuego | quittt: no |
| 00:47.24 | chealer9 | !tell quittt about msg |
| 00:47.31 | chealer9 | !tell quittt about releases |
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| 00:47.52 | airox | I guess I need to get some rest now ... |
| 00:47.53 | deadcat | quittt: dont use sid if you ask that q |
| 00:48.02 | chealer9 | quittt is the more bot-like thing I've ever seen |
| 00:48.06 | Darien | are there any utilities to help in managing debian updates on several machines locally? |
| 00:48.11 | airox | 3.5 hours and I have to catch a bus to heaven (not) |
| 00:48.22 | airox | Thanks for the usefull info about debian people! |
| 00:48.23 | quittt | chealer9, why? |
| 00:48.24 | Darien | i.e. to do upgrades on all machines from one interface on one machine? |
| 00:48.37 | deadcat | Darien: write a script. |
| 00:48.42 | chealer9 | quittt: because you repeat stupid questions after getting exact answers |
| 00:48.48 | jeebers | # dpkg --force-all -P bootsplash-theme-newlinux (Reading database ... 98799 files and directories currently installed.) Removing bootsplash-theme-newlinux ... dpkg: error processing bootsplash-theme-newlinux (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10 Errors were encountered while processing: bootsplash-theme-newlinux |
| 00:48.57 | michal_d | anyone here ever heard of approx? another supposedly better apt proxy written in ocaml? |
| 00:48.57 | michal_d | http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~ecc/software.html |
| 00:48.57 | Darien | deadcat: I'm asking because if there is one, then I don't have to write a script |
| 00:49.05 | asg | Darien: use a connection multiplexor such as clusterit. |
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| 00:49.07 | Darien | stu8: depends on the package |
| 00:49.13 | quittt | chealer9, I am not stupid |
| 00:49.29 | jeebers | that is what i get.. i just want to remove the package alltogether |
| 00:49.38 | jeebers | but no command i try will work |
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| 00:49.55 | chealer9 | quittt: why do you ask stupid questions then? |
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| 00:50.03 | quittt | because you are stupid |
| 00:50.06 | quittt | I am only joking |
| 00:50.07 | quittt | =D |
| 00:50.25 | stu8 | Darien... hmmm... ok... how about this Does debian work so well because it has a better base, or because it fixes all the separate packages ? |
| 00:51.13 | Darien | stu8: Debian works well because it has a clear set of standards, the Debian Policy, that decide how packages behave and operate, and because package maintainers modify packages to follow these guidelines |
| 00:51.37 | stu8 | Darien ah very good, and thank you |
| 00:51.46 | jeebers | anyone any thoughts on removing a package completely.. any way i can.. otherwise i'm going to have to reinstall the whole system just for one little thing.. seems crazy |
| 00:51.49 | Hal9002 | dpkg-reconfigure syslog-ng |
| 00:51.49 | Hal9002 | CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL is of unaccepted value. |
| 00:51.49 | Hal9002 | KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE is of unaccepted value. |
| 00:52.04 | Hal9002 | where do i configure those values? they're not in the syslog-ng config file |
| 00:52.41 | modeman | damn airox left... |
| 00:52.44 | chealer9 | when I apt-get dist-upgrade, it shows me lots of RC bugs. if I don't want to update one of the packages, how do I do? |
| 00:52.51 | modeman | anyone use a digital camera via usb ? |
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| 00:53.00 | modeman | k3b rules, btw |
| 00:53.12 | stu8 | jeebers have you tried with some delete or remove ? |
| 00:53.15 | chealer9 | modeman: of course |
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| 00:53.21 | inc|freaky | :) |
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| 00:53.50 | jeebers | stu8.. no.. only tired apt-get and dpkg commands |
| 00:54.04 | modeman | chealer9: so i added the device in control center in kde |
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| 00:54.12 | jeebers | thing is i'm not sure what files to delete |
| 00:54.21 | modeman | chealer9: but i can't access the device... |
| 00:54.43 | modeman | chealer9: is there something that i should add in devices? |
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| 00:55.25 | schuler | modeman: USB-Digital-Camera-HOWTO |
| 00:55.33 | modeman | k |
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| 00:55.44 | stu8 | jeebers Ive done that several times... but forget the command... ummm... apt-get -remove package ? |
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| 00:56.54 | jeebers | i was basically in the middle of a kernel reinstall so i could set up a bootsplash.. i picked the wrong option on the apt-get install bootsplash screen so i did a apt-get remove bootsplash.. seemed to work fine in both cases.. then i tried : apt-get install bootsplash again but then i got the errors. now i can remove the bootsplash package or the bootsplash-theme-newlinux package that seems to be linked to it. |
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| 00:57.23 | jeebers | now i can't remove the bootsplash package even |
| 00:57.32 | stu8 | jeebers from which release ? |
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| 00:57.41 | jeebers | sarge |
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| 00:57.55 | stu8 | well, sarge isnt stable yet... maybe thats the problem |
| 00:58.24 | stu8 | Ive had no trouble with standard commands like with woody |
| 00:58.34 | jeebers | ive tried dpkg --force-all -P bootsplash.. but no joy with that either |
| 00:58.57 | Darien | jeebers: you could remove the postrm script then try again |
| 00:59.05 | Darien | jeebers: or run it manually to see what the error is |
| 00:59.09 | jeebers | what i was wondering is .. is it possible just to remove all the files related to the package manually.. |
| 00:59.16 | jeebers | postrm..? |
| 00:59.31 | Darien | err, prerm sorry |
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| 01:00.08 | Darien | jeebers: as root run /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash-theme-newlinux.prerm |
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| 01:00.10 | jeebers | var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash-theme-newlinux.prerm |
| 01:00.14 | jeebers | that guy |
| 01:00.16 | Darien | yeap |
| 01:00.25 | Darien | see what the error is, maybe it's a typo or easily fixed |
| 01:00.58 | jeebers | seems it needs an arguement.. prerm called with unknown argument `' |
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| 01:02.43 | jeebers | darien.. seem removing it helps |
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| 01:03.29 | Darien | jeebers: :D |
| 01:04.01 | jeebers | but getting this warning: dpkg --force-all -P bootsplash-theme-newlinux \n (Reading database ... 98799 files and directories currently installed.) \n Removing bootsplash-theme-newlinux ... \n Purging configuration files for bootsplash-theme-newlinux ... \n dpkg - warning: while removing bootsplash-theme-newlinux, directory `/etc/bootsplash/themes' not empty so not removed. |
| 01:04.10 | Darien | that's fine |
| 01:04.14 | Darien | you can remove it manually |
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| 01:04.35 | Darien | what that means is that there were files there that it didn't create, so it left them there |
| 01:04.45 | jeebers | manually.. so remove.. the /var/lib/dpkg/info/bootsplash-theme-newlinux* files? |
| 01:04.52 | brownmage | I would like to send and receive files in xchat which I can't currently do (connection timeouts) Ihave sarge net install what should I check/configure? |
| 01:05.07 | kritical | Hello, sorry to spam, could someone direct me to a help channel for using console irc clients in debian please? much appriciated |
| 01:05.17 | jstevens | brownmage: are you behind a firewall? |
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| 01:05.35 | herodes | which browser do you recomend for twm? i have 16 M ram, and 133 Mhz. |
| 01:05.38 | brownmage | I do not believe so, at least I didn't install any in debian, I have a router though |
| 01:05.40 | veleno | problem in printing: i use gtk-lpr as front-end, cups as backends, mostly to print PDF files. when they have images, these are printed like distorted, bad rendered. this doesn't happen when they are produced by a GIF file. any idea ? |
| 01:06.01 | FieldySnuts | @fuck pdf and adobe |
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| 01:06.24 | jstevens | brownmage: you might need to look into setting up port forwarding or something like that to allow the router to let the files through to you |
| 01:06.30 | jeebers | dpkg -l | grep bootsplash |
| 01:06.30 | jeebers | iF bootsplash 3.1-8 Enables a graphical boot screen |
| 01:06.31 | dpkg | grep bootsplash 3.4-14 jeebers's private porn collection |
| 01:06.44 | brownmage | I have heard this, and have attempted to forward ports on my rooter (dlink) |
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| 01:06.47 | veleno | FieldySnuts, i agree but that doesn't help solving my problem :-( |
| 01:06.52 | jeebers | ? |
| 01:06.56 | brownmage | I believe I have done this, however it still doesn't work |
| 01:07.10 | inc|freaky | whats the command to prepare dependencies again? |
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| 01:07.37 | chealer9 | kritical: which one? |
| 01:07.37 | karim | my sound is stuttering when I play a video |
| 01:07.39 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
| 01:07.49 | stu8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.51 | karim | where could it come from ? |
| 01:08.15 | stu8 | karim online video or on your file ? |
| 01:08.28 | kritical | does anyone know the basics for setting up bitchx remotes?, if so could you /msg me? |
| 01:08.43 | karim | stu8, divx or mpeg2 video files |
| 01:09.09 | kritical | I have no idea and I can't really /list :D |
| 01:09.20 | kritical | I asked before, but nobody answered ;O |
| 01:09.22 | chealer9 | !msg me |
| 01:09.22 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg chealer9. |
| 01:09.32 | Hal9002 | CONSOLE_LOG_LEVEL is of unaccepted value. |
| 01:09.32 | Hal9002 | KERNEL_RINGBUF_SIZE is of unaccepted value. |
| 01:09.37 | Hal9002 | i googled on this |
| 01:09.43 | Hal9002 | theres nothing to be found |
| 01:09.50 | jeebers | thanks darien.. you saved me a whole load of hassel! |
| 01:09.52 | Hal9002 | i get these errors when starting/stopping syslog-ng |
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| 01:09.55 | stu8 | karim could be anything... it could be the video... it might just be too big... dunno, sorry... usually that is an update problem (not enough buffer ?) |
| 01:09.59 | Hal9002 | how can i fix this? |
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| 01:11.18 | karim | stu8, it do this with different videos and different players |
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| 01:11.35 | karim | stu8, in vlc even when I disable the video track there is still this sound problem |
| 01:12.03 | brownmage | so what ports should I be forwarding? |
| 01:12.09 | jorgp | is there a way to find out why apt-get wants to install a certain package, I have apache2 installed, I just updated apt and now it wants to install apache-common 1.3.33, why? |
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| 01:12.14 | stu8 | karim sorry... cant tell you... maybe a sound web page would have more info ? |
| 01:12.16 | brownmage | the Dlink website said 2070-2075 |
| 01:12.21 | brownmage | that doesn't work all that well |
| 01:12.23 | karim | stu8, howezver when playing a mp3 with vlc I don't have this problem |
| 01:12.29 | brownmage | then I tried 1024-65535 |
| 01:12.30 | karim | stu8, yep |
| 01:12.36 | brownmage | still not working |
| 01:12.51 | dvs | !wayttd brownmage |
| 01:12.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, brownmage? |
| 01:13.01 | dub | how long does a 'grave' bug take to get looked at on average |
| 01:13.14 | brownmage | send and recieve files using xchat under debian sarge with a dlink router |
| 01:13.17 | stu8 | brownmage... I just tried that as a credit card on ebay, and it told me I have $450 credit :) |
| 01:13.25 | brownmage | hahaha |
| 01:13.39 | brownmage | thats funny |
| 01:13.50 | stu8 | :) |
| 01:13.52 | michal_d | hmm.. approx has no documentation :/ |
| 01:14.06 | brownmage | see the dlink site said 2070-2075, and another site mentioned that xchat can use anything between 1024-65535 |
| 01:14.10 | brownmage | so I tried both |
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| 01:14.35 | brownmage | neither works |
| 01:14.46 | brownmage | I'm following the instructions on the dlink website for mirc |
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| 01:14.58 | brownmage | I figure I have to set up xchat in some way |
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| 01:15.09 | stu8 | brownmage is DCC what you want ? |
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| 01:15.18 | brownmage | yes |
| 01:15.32 | stu8 | dont need bitchx for that :) |
| 01:15.46 | brownmage | I set up settings to use ports 1024-65535 and get ip addy from irc server |
| 01:15.56 | stu8 | oops... xchat... I need to work on my lines here |
| 01:16.15 | brownmage | but still no send/recieve (connection timeout) |
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| 01:16.30 | brownmage | fair enough, what can I use, I believe I tried bitchX and still nothing |
| 01:16.41 | stu8 | ircII ? :) |
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| 01:17.00 | Delph | telnet? |
| 01:17.32 | stu8 | EPIC I guess worked always |
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| 01:20.09 | quittt | how do I make PrBoom use OpenGL? |
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| 01:21.28 | brownmage | xchat "used" to work, but that was before the router, and I've done a couple of format/reinstalls after that, so I don't really know what I canged |
| 01:21.43 | quittt | !prboom |
| 01:21.43 | dpkg | somebody said prboom was a Doom engine, fully compatible with the original game, which uses the SDL graphics library. See htp://prboom.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:21.50 | quittt | how do I make PrBoom use OpenGL? |
| 01:21.56 | Delph | brownmage: make your router forward a specific set of ports; make xchat use those ports for DCC. |
| 01:21.59 | chealer9 | !tell quittt about msg |
| 01:22.00 | tga | I'm having some trouble with Samba.. it seems that after it becomes the master browser for the workgroup I can't access it by name anymore |
| 01:22.05 | Delph | the actual settings are probably something for dlink and \ |
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| 01:22.08 | Delph | #xchat |
| 01:22.23 | Sero | How do you execute a program from the terminal and have it disconnected from it? I forgot the option for it. |
| 01:22.29 | chealer9 | tga: did you ask #samba ? |
| 01:22.44 | jstevens | Sero: & |
| 01:22.46 | tga | chealer9: yeah, there's not much action going on in there |
| 01:22.48 | Delph | Sero: ^Z and bg |
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| 01:22.59 | tga | Sero: or use screen |
| 01:23.14 | Delph | screen is more the way to go. *nod* |
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| 01:23.24 | Sero | Thank You. ^^ |
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| 01:27.08 | jstevens | KB1FYR: hey!, what's up? |
| 01:27.11 | Help | hello |
| 01:27.33 | jstevens | hello help... |
| 01:27.36 | Help | I jus finished installing debian and was wondering if anhyone could help me out witha problem that I'm having |
| 01:27.40 | michal_d | I can't figure out how to use approx |
| 01:27.50 | KB1FYR | hio, nm jstevens |
| 01:28.23 | Help | i BURNT A iso IMAGE TO CD AND WHEN i ENTER THE cd INTO THE ROM IT WONT BOOT |
| 01:28.38 | Help | Sorry for the caps |
| 01:28.39 | KirbyMeister | okay, I just cant get this system to boot. I'm getting kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 to work, but I'm having problems creating an initrd for it |
| 01:28.41 | pearl | computers where are connected to a witch and from the switch to the server, that pc's named 'clients', or not? |
| 01:28.43 | dvs | Help: Did you check the md5 sum of the file? |
| 01:28.48 | pearl | s/witch/switch |
| 01:28.52 | Help | No... |
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| 01:29.06 | dvs | Help: Well, how do you know it downloaded correctly. |
| 01:29.13 | Help | I dont |
| 01:29.21 | dvs | Help: I'd start there |
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| 01:29.36 | Help | how |
| 01:29.51 | Help | I'm 90 percent sure that it did download correctley |
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| 01:29.58 | jstevens | KB1FYR: did you ever find a code-tutor program ? |
| 01:30.20 | Delph | Help: fix the other 10% then move on from there. |
| 01:30.22 | dvs | Help: There should be an MD5SUM file in the same directory you downloaded the image from. Get it and run "md5sum -c MD5SUM" |
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| 01:30.38 | Help | ok let me see |
| 01:30.54 | pearl | Help: have you closed the cd-session? |
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| 01:31.06 | brownmage | do I maybe need any other debian packages for xchat to have dcc that I don't have |
| 01:31.07 | veleno | at this address http://linuxprinting.org/pipermail/epson-list/2004q1/003423.html there is some code which is a patch for a file. how can I apply it ? |
| 01:31.29 | pearl | Help: u must mark joilet and finalizing and burn again, then should it boot |
| 01:31.45 | KB1FYR | jstevens: Not for Debian, no... |
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| 01:31.50 | KB1FYR | I'm back on OSX |
| 01:31.52 | KirbyMeister | I have an initrd, but the kernel cant open /dev/hdb2 |
| 01:32.03 | jstevens | KB1FYR: aah, darn |
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| 01:32.10 | Help | No the files are opend with file roller... I just see files that say stuff like scrips boot |
| 01:32.18 | Help | usr var |
| 01:32.19 | KB1FYR | There is one for XChat |
| 01:32.25 | pearl | KirbyMeister: why should the kernel need an initrd to open /dev/hdb2? |
| 01:32.29 | KB1FYR | a code sending recieving/program |
| 01:32.34 | pearl | is itan IDE-Drive? |
| 01:32.36 | KB1FYR | jstevens: look for cwirc |
| 01:32.42 | jstevens | KB1FYR: yeah, I mentioned that to you... just havne't gotten it to work yet |
| 01:32.51 | KirbyMeister | pearl: no, the kernel cant MOUNT /dev/hdb2 |
| 01:32.54 | Help | I burnt Debian, sarge so I'm guessing that the download is right |
| 01:33.12 | KB1FYR | Oh you told me about that :P |
| 01:33.12 | pearl | KirbyMeister: yeah, i got it. Is it an IDE-Drive or what? |
| 01:33.16 | dvs | Help: No, not necesarrily |
| 01:33.27 | Help | any idea what to do |
| 01:33.31 | jstevens | KB1FYR: :-) |
| 01:33.35 | KirbyMeister | pearl: It's IDE, a reiserfs |
| 01:33.36 | Help | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.44 | dvs | Help: If you're not going to check the md5sum then no |
| 01:33.50 | Help | how |
| 01:33.53 | pearl | KirbyMeister: which boot-manager do you use? |
| 01:33.57 | dvs | *plonk* |
| 01:34.06 | Help | I dont see any files that say md5sum |
| 01:34.22 | KirbyMeister | pearl: grub |
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| 01:34.27 | pearl | Help: u must look at the place from where u downloaded it... |
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| 01:34.36 | pearl | KirbyMeister: is ur boot-manager config correct? |
| 01:34.44 | pearl | /dev/hdb2 as root-device? |
| 01:34.51 | Help | ok let me see if I can find it |
| 01:35.22 | pearl | Help: theres an md5sum, and type in ur console 'md5sum filename' |
| 01:35.23 | KirbyMeister | pearl: yes |
| 01:35.35 | pearl | to see the md5-summary of the file |
| 01:35.49 | pearl | look if it isthe same or not |
| 01:35.50 | KirbyMeister | pearl: no, the root is hdb4, because that's where the boot loader is. the kernel is passed the option root=/dev/hdb2 |
| 01:35.52 | pearl | it must be the same |
| 01:35.58 | dabreegster | Just got links2 and ran it with -g to use the framebuffer on the console. I had to load the tridentfb module (I've got a trident video card). It worked great, but when I exited, I got a bunch of junk on the screen, no display at all. I tried removing fb modules, nothing. How do I clear the display and get it back to normal? |
| 01:36.09 | Help | I cant find it |
| 01:36.12 | Help | omg |
| 01:36.19 | Help | I googled the page |
| 01:36.30 | pearl | KirbyMeister: in ur grub configuration file is /dev/hdb4 as root device? |
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| 01:36.48 | Help | The ISO opend and extracted with file roller |
| 01:36.53 | pearl | Help: make a 'md5sum filename' and google for the summary... |
| 01:36.58 | Help | ok |
| 01:37.27 | jorgp | dabreegster: using the fb does it show graphics? |
| 01:37.29 | KirbyMeister | pearl: the lines are 'root (hd1,3), kernel=/boot/(skipped) root=/dev/hdb2 ro, initrd=/boot/(skipped), boot' |
| 01:37.38 | pearl | KirbyMeister: what says the kernel exactly? which error? |
| 01:37.56 | dabreegster | jorgp: yup. but when I exited, the screen was all screwed up. |
| 01:37.59 | pearl | KirbyMeister: great (: |
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| 01:38.21 | Help | Theres a 1000 windows open I'm going nuts |
| 01:38.27 | KirbyMeister | pearl: the kernel says it cant find /dev/hdb2 |
| 01:38.39 | pearl | KirbyMeister: which kernel? |
| 01:39.15 | KirbyMeister | pearl: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 01:39.15 | pearl | KirbyMeister: ok, i cant help you, sorry |
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| 01:39.15 | Help | ok no problem |
| 01:39.16 | dabreegster | I don't think my video card is doing the console display properly when I exit from elinks in framebuffer mode. It's a Trident Cyberblade/i7 |
| 01:39.19 | inc|freaky | how can i install all dependencies of a package? |
| 01:39.22 | Help | I'm going a=back to windows |
| 01:39.24 | pearl | i've never used grub |
| 01:39.25 | pearl | only lilo |
| 01:39.32 | pearl | and it works fine |
| 01:39.38 | dvs | inc|freaky: dselect |
| 01:39.47 | inc|freaky | dvs: no, i mean the command |
| 01:39.58 | dvs | inc|freaky: apt-get install package |
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| 01:40.01 | pearl | inc|freaky: apt-get install --fix-dependencies... |
| 01:40.11 | inc|freaky | no, i mean just installing the dependencies, not the program itself |
| 01:40.21 | dvs | inc|freaky: apt-get update? |
| 01:40.23 | pearl | aeh |
| 01:40.24 | pearl | bad |
| 01:40.30 | pearl | apt-get build-dep pkgname |
| 01:40.32 | inc|freaky | i want to compile the program myself, but i want to install just the dependencies |
| 01:40.38 | inc|freaky | thx pearl :D |
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| 01:41.23 | pearl | its time to sleep there... |
| 01:41.34 | pearl | i wish all a good night and no nightmares (: |
| 01:41.47 | Help | MD5 (FreeSBIE-1.1-i386.iso) = 61e6433b8ace7c83cee281b731e73f1 |
| 01:42.05 | Help | cany anyone here help |
| 01:42.21 | Help | oR KNOW ABOUT iso DOWNLOADS |
| 01:42.28 | brownmage | okay, I've tried setting ports back to 2070-2075, I've set that in xchat, I've tried epic and still no dcc, I've tried enabling "get address from irc server", I've tried disabling get address from irc server" none of it works |
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| 01:43.22 | DataHunter2009 | hello |
| 01:43.25 | dabreegster | Can anybody point me to a place with information about the console framebuffer? the HOWTO at tldp isn't detailed. |
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| 01:43.33 | Help | Can I get a number pleae I need help |
| 01:43.43 | helix | wtf |
| 01:43.52 | helix | Help: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:44.07 | MobyTurbo | Help: "freesbie" is not Debian |
| 01:44.12 | DataHunter2009 | i want to use the BitTorrent files. Do i download each bianry iso and then copy each one to a seperate CD? or what? |
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| 01:44.22 | RichiH | helix: do you want to know how you can verify the md5sum of an iso? |
| 01:44.26 | pearl | Help: from where have u this number? by typing md5sum filename? |
| 01:44.26 | Help | Trying to get the ISO IMAGE I JUST BURNT TO BOOT ON START |
| 01:44.35 | helix | RichiH: no, I don't :) |
| 01:44.41 | helix | Help: stop using caps |
| 01:44.43 | jorgp | dabreegster: wish I knew, I would like to find out myself, I never have gotten fb to work correctly |
| 01:44.50 | brownmage | set up your bios to boot off of cdrom |
| 01:44.51 | RichiH | helix: oh, bleh, sorry |
| 01:44.54 | chealer9 | DataHunter2009: IF you want to download several CDs |
| 01:44.56 | helix | :) |
| 01:44.56 | Help | I Ddont know the name of the file |
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| 01:44.59 | pearl | Help: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:45.00 | brownmage | thats all you should have to do |
| 01:45.05 | Help | trying i cant see |
| 01:45.10 | pearl | Help: damn, i wnat help him and he doesnt do anything |
| 01:45.12 | Help | i need to configure the x |
| 01:45.26 | Help | I do ! but I dont know the name of the file |
| 01:45.36 | DataHunter2009 | So all i need to do is download each bittorent file in the current/ ftp directory, then download them with a client and write each one to a cd? |
| 01:46.02 | DataHunter2009 | is there a document on using the Debian BT files? |
| 01:46.02 | jstevens | Help: how do you not know the name of a file that you downloaded? |
| 01:46.04 | brownmage | sounds like a plan |
| 01:46.10 | jorgp | anyone know of a way to find out why apt-get wants to install a certain package? |
| 01:46.20 | Help | I dont know how to find it |
| 01:46.25 | pearl | Help: ure a hopeless case... |
| 01:46.30 | pearl | gn8 community |
| 01:46.32 | dvs | pearl: Exactly |
| 01:46.33 | Help | just know that it's the free bds live cd |
| 01:46.53 | Help | i've only been useing a pc for less then a week |
| 01:47.20 | MobyTurbo | Help: are you running Debian now? |
| 01:47.24 | Help | yes |
| 01:47.27 | bobesponja | I can't copy and past on X with mouse roll, how can I fix that? |
| 01:47.31 | Help | I had no problem download it |
| 01:47.32 | chealer9 | DataHunter2009: most likely |
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| 01:47.38 | Help | yes |
| 01:47.44 | Help | sarge |
| 01:48.01 | DataHunter2009 | ok. my next question... |
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| 01:48.08 | DataHunter2009 | will debian run on a 2gig HD? |
| 01:48.14 | chealer9 | yes |
| 01:48.17 | DataHunter2009 | ok |
| 01:48.18 | DataHunter2009 | thx |
| 01:48.20 | stu8 | Data definitely |
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| 01:48.34 | DataHunter2009 | RedHat wouldn't run on my 2gig HD |
| 01:48.34 | jorgp | DataHunter2009: sure |
| 01:48.38 | DataHunter2009 | so i was just wondering |
| 01:48.39 | MobyTurbo | bobesponja: the mouse button is a tricky third button, sometimes it's easier, if you have it set up, to press the left and right buttons at the same time instead. |
| 01:48.46 | MobyTurbo | s/mouse/wheel |
| 01:48.48 | helix | Help: freebsd is no good anyway, don't bother burning the iso |
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| 01:48.56 | Help | I have to |
| 01:49.03 | jstevens | DataHunter2009: jsut isntall what you need, not EVERYTHING & you'll be fine |
| 01:49.03 | Help | Ok I found the name of the file |
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| 01:49.12 | Help | what am i supposed to type again |
| 01:49.19 | DataHunter2009 | ok. thx everyone |
| 01:49.22 | DataHunter2009 | cya |
| 01:49.29 | jstevens | DataHunter2009 caps were for empassi, not to yell :-0 |
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| 01:49.40 | MobyTurbo | !fundamentals |
| 01:49.40 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 01:49.41 | dvs | jstevens: he's gone |
| 01:49.41 | mrhemlock | what package has $1,000,000 in it, I NEED that one for sure ? |
| 01:49.46 | bobesponja | MobyTurbo: but it was working fine on knoppix |
| 01:49.55 | jstevens | dvs: so I noticed... |
| 01:50.11 | Help | I hello |
| 01:50.27 | Help | I found the filename |
| 01:50.38 | Help | what command an I supposed to type |
| 01:50.50 | brownmage | what kind of file is it |
| 01:50.53 | brownmage | .xxx |
| 01:50.54 | Help | iso |
| 01:51.01 | brownmage | under debian, |
| 01:51.04 | Help | it wont auto boot |
| 01:51.11 | brownmage | use either k3b or something and burn it |
| 01:51.12 | Help | yeah sarge debian |
| 01:51.16 | brownmage | did you already burn it |
| 01:51.22 | Help | I already did just wont boot |
| 01:51.34 | brownmage | do you have your bios set to boot from cdrom first? |
| 01:51.38 | Help | yes |
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| 01:51.52 | stu8 | Help have you done the checksum ? |
| 01:52.00 | Help | no.. how |
| 01:52.46 | Help | how do I do that |
| 01:52.50 | abrotman | who's in charge here? |
| 01:53.08 | tga | ChanServ |
| 01:53.11 | Help | cheek sum where do I type that command |
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| 01:53.20 | shingoki | cheek sum, I like it |
| 01:53.27 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: /msg dpkg ops |
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| 01:53.34 | jstevens | Help: man md5sum |
| 01:53.45 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: they don't like me :) |
| 01:53.53 | jorgp | abrotman: the ones with the guns |
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| 01:54.03 | tga | abrotman: /msg ChanServ and complain |
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| 01:54.06 | gypsyfox | Hi, I installed Debian 30r4 stable on a friend's laptop for them. I have all 7 CDs for 30r4, how may I upgrade to kernel 2.4.x offline from the 7CDs? |
| 01:54.09 | Help | ok a big ole message poped up |
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| 01:54.20 | nekrataal | hello, i have a question, wich package should i install to make the cupsys works with KDE?, im on debian sarge.. |
| 01:54.22 | dvs | gypsyfox: apt-get install kernel-image... |
| 01:54.23 | Help | what am i looking for |
| 01:54.26 | MobyTurbo | tga: ChanServ is a bot |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | gypsyfox: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 01:54.31 | gypsyfox | dvs: that's it? wow! thanks a lot!! :) |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | gypsyfox: then install one |
| 01:54.36 | Blissex | gypsyfox: that's a pretty cruel thing to do to your friend... |
| 01:54.38 | dvs | gypsyfox: You need to do a apt-cache search kernel-image first |
| 01:54.40 | gypsyfox | abrotman thank you very much! |
| 01:54.46 | tga | MobyTurbo: you think so?? |
| 01:54.48 | gypsyfox | Blissex his laptop is 133Mhz |
| 01:54.56 | abrotman | blackbox!! |
| 01:54.57 | Blissex | gypsyfox: ahhhh.... |
| 01:55.15 | Blissex | gypsyfox: DamnSmallLinux? Feather? Bonzai? |
| 01:55.17 | MobyTurbo | tga: I know so, it's even mentioned in O'Reilly "IRC Hacks" |
| 01:55.33 | tga | you hacked IRC? |
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| 01:55.38 | Help | ok I typed that message a Big line came up what am i looling for |
| 01:55.58 | MobyTurbo | tga: you know that hacker doesn't mean computer criminals, right? |
| 01:56.12 | Help | hello? |
| 01:56.12 | peterS | /nick peterServ |
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| 01:56.20 | michal_d | if i wanted an extremely simple nameserver in which i could just specify ip/hostname pairs and allow all non-matching ip's/hosts (ie internet ip's) to be requested from my isp's namesever what options are open to me? bind is much too complicated for this sort of thing |
| 01:56.38 | stu8 | Moby not for another couple days where I live |
| 01:56.40 | Help | I typed md5sum a bunch of stuff is listed what am i looking for |
| 01:56.46 | abrotman | peterS: i saw you causing trouble on mailing lists!! |
| 01:56.47 | tga | michal_d: use dnsmasq and put your hosts in /etc/hosts |
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| 01:56.49 | gypsyfox | Blissex: DamnSmallLinux, Feather, Bonzai, yes thank you I didn't want to use those though because some (or all?) have different packaging schemes and I thought giving him pure Debian would be better for maximum packages and learning Linux. :) |
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| 01:56.58 | peterS | abrotman: liar. I never cause trouble on mailing lists. |
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| 01:57.03 | abrotman | peterS: liar! |
| 01:57.05 | a101010 | http://legion.gibbering.net/misterx/troutwar.php?s=KodeK |
| 01:57.07 | peterS | abrotman: liar! |
| 01:57.08 | Help | hello? |
| 01:57.09 | gypsyfox | Thanks to everyone who helped me re: 2.2 -> 2.4 upgrading, I appreciate your help very much |
| 01:57.09 | Blissex | gypsyfox: they are are all Debian derivatives... |
| 01:57.15 | jcole | how do i make ssh read from stdin? |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | peterS: liar! |
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| 01:57.20 | Help | hello? |
| 01:57.20 | peterS | ELOOP |
| 01:57.23 | dvs | gypsyfox: That was fast |
| 01:57.26 | abrotman | peterS: heh |
| 01:57.31 | nekrataal | hello, i have a question, wich package should i install to make the cupsys works with KDE?, im on debian sarge.. |
| 01:57.39 | a101010 | http://legion.gibbering.net/misterx/troutwar.php?s=KodeK |
| 01:57.59 | gypsyfox | Blissex true, and I appreciate your suggestions. :) However some or at least 1 of the above mentioned slimmed down distros had a different way of packaging and I didn't want him to be exposed to any potential breakage deviating from the norm (example: knoppix) |
| 01:58.04 | a101010 | sucker :P |
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| 01:58.08 | Help | everyones telling me to type md5sum I do it now nobodys responding |
| 01:58.26 | jstevens | Help: man md5sum |
| 01:58.28 | a101010 | who fell for that? |
| 01:58.33 | Delph | Help: do the md5sums match? |
| 01:58.35 | a101010 | two people now |
| 01:58.37 | a101010 | hah |
| 01:58.39 | michal_d | tga: thanks.. i just found that around the same time you mentioned it.. it SOUNDS good.. about to try it |
| 01:58.42 | peterS | Help: what you need is 'md5sum filename...' to check the md5sums for files |
| 01:58.46 | stu8 | Help no... they said MAN manual page... you need to read that for more information that is |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | !ops a101010 spamming in channel |
| 01:58.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: a101010 spamming in channel |
| 01:58.50 | chealer9 | a101010: who cares? |
| 01:58.52 | jstevens | Help: the point is to compare the output to the number you posted earlier |
| 01:58.54 | Help | I did |
| 01:58.58 | Help | the files listed |
| 01:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 01:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-69-231-232-82.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] by helix |
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| 01:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | helix: thank you |
| 01:59.06 | Delph | thanks |
| 01:59.06 | Help | just dont knowwhat i'm lolk=oking for |
| 01:59.15 | shingoki | I guess he wasn't that clever after all |
| 01:59.21 | shingoki | a101010 |
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| 01:59.26 | peterS | shingoki: yeah, the ops sure showed him |
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| 01:59.37 | Bac9 | is ther a way to export a directory (including all mountpoints inside) over nfs? seems the directory gets exported but the mountpoints are blank (not exported), what am i doing wrong? |
| 01:59.39 | abrotman | helix: wait .. you're on vacation! |
| 01:59.46 | humbolt | I believe there is nothing more complicated in the whole linux universe than making cups printers + drivers available to windows clients via samba! |
| 01:59.47 | stu8 | Help I apologize for suggesting it... checksum is just a way to verify you have everything which is supposed to be on the CD |
| 01:59.50 | tga | michal_d: I have dnsmasq running on my linksys router.. it does DHCP and DNS caching and it's really small |
| 01:59.50 | peterS | abrotman: weren't you going out to NYC too? |
| 02:00.05 | Help | md5sum is up witha list |
| 02:00.05 | abrotman | peterS: i could have .. except it's snowing rather badly here today |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | peterS: didn't exactly get a formal invite though :) |
| 02:00.18 | asuffield | humbolt: that's because it's pretty broken, really |
| 02:00.26 | Help | MD5SUM(1) Debian GNU/Linux MD5SUM(1) |
| 02:00.26 | Help | NAME |
| 02:00.26 | Help | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.26 | Help | SYNOPSIS |
| 02:00.26 | Help | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.27 | *** kick/#debian [Help!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | peterS: but if you come to philly . i'll get you a beer and cheesesteak! |
| 02:00.37 | humbolt | and there is this whole bunch of foomatic packages, that sound like everything would be done automatic but it is not |
| 02:00.38 | peterS | abrotman: apparently the way these things work is, you invite yourself and see if anyone acts uncomfortable on irc when you do |
| 02:00.52 | humbolt | asuffield: so what is your suggestion? |
| 02:00.52 | abrotman | peterS: is that like when you go to parties naked ? |
| 02:00.52 | peterS | abrotman: but I dunno, that just seems to be how it works |
| 02:00.59 | stu8 | abrotman define, please, "cheesesteak" ? |
| 02:01.00 | asuffield | humbolt: I don't have one. put up with it. |
| 02:01.09 | westside | I'm having trouble getting my mouse working. I'm running 2.6.10 kernel. for some reason psmouse isn't getting loaded properly. I did a modprobe psmouse and it loaded but there are no Handlers in /proc/bus/input/devices. So how do handlers get assigned? |
| 02:01.22 | asuffield | abrotman: I always preferred to go to parties carrying a chainsaw |
| 02:01.30 | peterS | abrotman: as it happens, I'm not at all fond of either beer or onions. might have to find a Plan B |
| 02:01.37 | abrotman | stu8: amaroso roll , chipped beef , cheese(pick .. i'm partial to american or cheezwhiz) |
| 02:01.42 | fumbalah | clear |
| 02:01.42 | humbolt | Does using lpr help? I guess then I will have trouble finding drivers?? |
| 02:01.44 | michal_d | hmm.. anyone familiar with resolvconf ? |
| 02:01.44 | abrotman | stu8: good enough? |
| 02:01.49 | anchovie | tga: how did you get dnsmasq running on your linksys router? |
| 02:01.50 | asuffield | humbolt: no, it does not help |
| 02:01.51 | asg | peterS: how about a hotdog? |
| 02:01.51 | abrotman | resolv.conf |
| 02:01.54 | jstevens | what the.. Help tried to post the whole man page in here? WOW |
| 02:01.55 | stu8 | abrotman ahh... sounds good... thx |
| 02:01.56 | peterS | asg: hot dogs I can do |
| 02:02.00 | tga | anchovie: www.openwrt.org |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | peterS: you can get without onions |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | stu8: are you sure? |
| 02:02.17 | peterS | abrotman: I'm there, then. too bad I'm not planning any travel to philly |
| 02:02.26 | stu8 | abrotman... granted, a taste test would be better... but Im nowhere near Philly :) |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | peterS: oh well ... but if i come to ks .. you're buying the bbq :) |
| 02:02.40 | peterS | abrotman: sure thing |
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| 02:02.51 | helix | abrotman: I told you what mailing list to joi |
| 02:02.52 | helix | n |
| 02:03.02 | abrotman | peterS: too bad you missed me on my last trip to hayes |
| 02:03.04 | helix | we had a debian lunch today |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | helix: but it's snowing today! |
| 02:03.12 | helix | yeah :/ |
| 02:03.14 | tga | you had debian for lunch? |
| 02:03.16 | peterS | abrotman: hays is way out in the middle of nowhere. more so than the rest of Kansas, I mean |
| 02:03.18 | anchovie | tga: ah, it's only for a specific type of linksys router =/ |
| 02:03.18 | helix | tga: ideed |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | helix: i saw it .. the vegan fest i think it said |
| 02:03.25 | helix | haha, what |
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| 02:03.31 | humbolt | asuffield: is it broken in debian or generally? |
| 02:03.39 | asuffield | humbolt: it's broken in samba |
| 02:03.40 | stu8 | Help burning a CD is not the only way to go... but... if youre not really experienced with Debian, I wouldnt suggest trying sarge just yet ? |
| 02:03.50 | abrotman | helix: oh .. mock meat :) .. chinese :) |
| 02:03.54 | asuffield | nobody ever really implemented cups printing worth a damn |
| 02:03.57 | helix | the mock meat was gross |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | helix: duh :) |
| 02:04.05 | tga | anchovie: that's the only type they ship with linux |
| 02:04.09 | asg | helix: ewww, mock meat |
| 02:04.11 | stu8 | assufield excuse me ? |
| 02:04.13 | helix | yeah, it's nasty |
| 02:04.16 | asuffield | bwah, my wallet is too full |
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| 02:04.21 | helix | it wasn't my idea to order it |
| 02:04.21 | abrotman | anything "mock" .. sucks |
| 02:04.38 | helix | abrotman: nah, this "gluten" stuff was like a vegetaria imitation of gristle |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | helix: but you're vegan right ? |
| 02:04.39 | westside | nm...modprobe mousedev |
| 02:04.43 | asg | abrotman: mock death or syphillis might be bareable though |
| 02:04.49 | helix | yes, and stop using french punctuation |
| 02:04.50 | humbolt | asuffield: any suggestens what I could do to get to a good result anyways? |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | helix: i can't help it |
| 02:04.59 | westside | still don't understand why it doesn't load automatically |
| 02:05.00 | peterS | abrotman: presumably she's the one for whom a 'vegan lunch' would be named |
| 02:05.02 | helix | you can too |
| 02:05.02 | asuffield | humbolt: nope. get used to it sucking. |
| 02:05.03 | tga | you people are making me hungry |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | peterS: no way! |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | helix: i think it's only question marks :) |
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| 02:05.20 | helix | peterS: I'm not the only person who doesn't eat meat |
| 02:05.27 | helix | speaking of food |
| 02:05.29 | humbolt | asuffield: you mean get used to it not working |
| 02:05.33 | stu8 | ohhhh... that mock meat |
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| 02:05.36 | peterS | abrotman: well, I didn't mean she'd actually be the lunch. but, you know. presumably other people would get something other than mock |
| 02:05.39 | abrotman | mock meat just can't be good |
| 02:05.49 | stu8 | no |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | i'm a meat eater .. sorry .. but i am |
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| 02:06.04 | stu8 | soy burger is OK sometimes |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | stew: did you go meet them for mock meat ? |
| 02:06.13 | Delph | noo |
| 02:06.19 | TypeRite | Hi. I'm rebuilding a package and am getting "/usr/bin/fakeroot: debian/rules: /usr/bin/make: bad interpreter: Permission denied". I already checked /usr/bin/make and debian/rules, both have +x for all users. Any tips? This is the first time I'm running into this problem. I'm using Sid, though, so it might be some bug in some package...? |
| 02:06.25 | Delph | if you're going to have vegatbles, at least have proper veggies. |
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| 02:06.37 | asg | peterS: beef on weck, beef on mock? |
| 02:06.40 | peterS | abrotman: I've never tried scrapple. it sounds gross from the manufacturing process, but then again, so does sausage |
| 02:06.52 | asuffield | dead thing pie! |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | peterS: it's just the leftovers after sausage :) |
| 02:06.57 | peterS | heh |
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| 02:07.04 | brownmage | isn't sausage itself leftovers? |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | brownmage: yes :) |
| 02:07.15 | peterS | brownmage: only some sausage |
| 02:07.18 | stu8 | a dead cabbage is as dead as a dead cow :) |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | brownmage: and sadly ... i know of something made from the leftovers of scrapple |
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| 02:07.50 | asg | abrotman: ah, chick-fil-a |
| 02:07.50 | brownmage | wow, talk about reduce, REUSE, recycle! |
| 02:08.07 | abrotman | asg: no .. .. cracklins i thnik they are calle |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | called |
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| 02:08.24 | tga | fresh vegetables are alive, you insensitive clods |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: you're not at rock bottom!? |
| 02:08.31 | peterS | brownmage: one doesn't normally think of earth children as sausage eaters. interesting perspective |
| 02:08.31 | Delph | crackling. murr. |
| 02:08.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: lol, nope... and apparently you aren't either :-) |
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| 02:09.05 | brownmage | man, it is not my week, thats the second time I've been told off for eating meat |
| 02:09.06 | shingoki | what's french punctuation? |
| 02:09.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: noone would go .. too much snow :( |
| 02:09.12 | peterS | tga: since most fresh vegetables don't have CNSes, they don't feel pain |
| 02:09.21 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'd be at Circuit City buying a Playstation if it wasn't for the snow |
| 02:09.23 | tga | you never now |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | shingoki: putting your punctuation spaced after |
| 02:09.25 | tga | know rather |
| 02:09.30 | shingoki | after what ? |
| 02:09.30 | peterS | tga: the exception would be some college students I know |
| 02:09.33 | shingoki | oh I see |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | shingoki: as like such . |
| 02:09.39 | stu8 | peterS its a rumor... plants DO have feelings |
| 02:09.40 | shingoki | yeah stupid French |
| 02:09.42 | brownmage | alright, more tinkering with xchat in the hopes of finally getting a dcc receive |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: you work next to bestbuy!!!! |
| 02:09.46 | shingoki | and those << >> things they use |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: and why now ? |
| 02:09.50 | shingoki | use proper quotes! |
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| 02:09.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: Or Best Buy... whichever |
| 02:10.06 | Wyzard | abrotman: and so I can play Katamari Damacy |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: why now? .. a certain game? |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: that good? |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | i've not played |
| 02:10.17 | Wyzard | and Xenosaga |
| 02:10.19 | shingoki | at least you can BUT katamari bloody damacy |
| 02:10.23 | abrotman | xenosaga is good |
| 02:10.24 | shingoki | they haven't released that in UK |
| 02:10.26 | shingoki | OR xenosaga |
| 02:10.31 | shingoki | we only get crappy games |
| 02:10.34 | shingoki | involveing football |
| 02:10.38 | shingoki | oooh spelling |
| 02:10.42 | asuffield | I have both katamari damacy and xenosaga on my desk right now |
| 02:10.55 | asuffield | I imported them from canada, it's easy |
| 02:11.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's quite addictive... give it a try sometime |
| 02:11.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: which is? |
| 02:11.09 | Wyzard | Katamari |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | Wyzard: the last RPG i played was Legaia 2 |
| 02:11.46 | shingoki | asuffield, it's easy if you have a stupid chipped PS2 |
| 02:11.49 | Wyzard | I want to play Xenosaga based on the fact that Xenogears was great |
| 02:11.56 | shingoki | asuffield, i dunno if PS2 chips are even legal any moew |
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| 02:11.59 | asuffield | I don't, I use a swap disk |
| 02:12.02 | shingoki | and I can't be arsed to chip it |
| 02:12.09 | shingoki | asuffield, ah right, which one? |
| 02:12.11 | asuffield | soldering would have been too much effort |
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| 02:12.21 | shingoki | asuffield, yeah you have to solder like 22 tiny wires |
| 02:12.23 | asuffield | "swap magic 3", according to the label |
| 02:12.27 | satHan | hey all, i'm trying to get two X servers to run similtaneously, but seperately (diff user, session). i have two monitors, and want both servers to be visible at the same time. how would i do this? |
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| 02:13.16 | stu8 | ps2 chips... not legal... whats this ? |
| 02:13.26 | shingoki | asuffield, cool I'll get one of those |
| 02:13.30 | abrotman | stu8: you live in .us ? |
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| 02:13.35 | shingoki | and definitely katamari damacy |
| 02:13.47 | shingoki | why do they go to such lengths to stop me giving them money for games I want to play? |
| 02:13.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: katamari is $20? |
| 02:14.07 | Wyzard | yep |
| 02:14.08 | stu8 | abrotman si' |
| 02:14.14 | Wyzard | It's sort of a niche game |
| 02:14.16 | brownmage | hey I get a message in xchat when I connect to a server that goes something like |
| 02:14.18 | brownmage | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.19 | brownmage | * *** Checking Ident |
| 02:14.19 | brownmage | * *** Couldn't look up your hostname |
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| 02:14.20 | stew | abrotman: no, i couldn't make it today |
| 02:14.26 | abrotman | oh god .. mdk is buying conectiva .. that can't be good |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | stew: don't you run your own company? |
| 02:14.35 | stew | yeah |
| 02:14.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:14.53 | asuffield | shingoki: you either need a slide card or a new case top as well. personally I use a card; it's fiddly but easier to rig for |
| 02:14.54 | stew | helix: how is nyc treating you? |
| 02:15.08 | shingoki | asuffield, i'd take an axe to the damn thing, I hate PS2 |
| 02:15.12 | shingoki | but I want a few games for it |
| 02:15.26 | shingoki | I've already had the top off to get all the dust out, those things are like hoovers |
| 02:15.38 | abrotman | stew: it's cold and snowing .. how good can it be? |
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| 02:15.45 | stew | abrotman: excellent |
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| 02:16.01 | inc|freaky | im using kvirc and i want it to use english instead of german. how can i do that? |
| 02:16.06 | humbolt | asuffield: when I do "cupsaddsmb -U root -v -a" that's the result "cupsaddsmb: No PPD file for printer "epson-cx3200" - skipping!" |
| 02:16.06 | asuffield | (the replacement tops have a panel you can open to swap the disk; if you hit the eject button then the playstation notices you've put a foreign disk in and refuses to load it) |
| 02:16.14 | cat | inc|freaky: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:16.15 | cat | as root |
| 02:16.24 | humbolt | but there is /etc/cups/ppd/epson-cx3200.ppd |
| 02:16.38 | humbolt | so I guess it is somehow not looking in the right dir? |
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| 02:16.50 | asuffield | humbolt: something like that, file a bug |
| 02:16.55 | asuffield | it usually works |
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| 02:17.25 | inc|freaky | cat: that doesnt work :( |
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| 02:17.43 | partially | what is the current status of quotas with reiserfs and 2.6.x |
| 02:17.43 | cat | restart you'r gdm kdm or whatever you have |
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| 02:18.01 | project | !WTF |
| 02:18.01 | dpkg | What the fuck is wtf, or apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is wtf |
| 02:18.05 | Flimzy | When converting media files to DVD, is it important to convert the file's FPS to that of NTSC (or PAL, if applicable)? Or is it okay to retain the original FPS? I have many files (created using video capture hardware or digital video cams, etc) with 30 FPS. Should I convert to 23FPS? |
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| 02:18.45 | peet | how do install the ati drivers with a vanilla 2.6.10 kernel source from linux.org |
| 02:18.48 | peterS | Flimzy: NTSC is 29.something, not 23 |
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| 02:19.38 | abrotman | !tell peet about ati drivers |
| 02:20.21 | Flimzy | peterS: 29.97 then |
| 02:20.34 | Flimzy | peterS: Perhaps it's film that I'm thinking of that's 23 |
| 02:20.37 | stew | are there kernels on linux.org? |
| 02:20.48 | Flimzy | peterS: In any case, the question still stands, even if my specifics are a bit off |
| 02:20.51 | peterS | Flimzy: I'm thinking film is 24, PAL is 25. but I could be wrong on that last |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | stew: ftp site has them iirc |
| 02:21.07 | loswillios | how do i find the 10 biggest debs which are installed? space is only 500m left :/ |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | loswillios: apt-get clean |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | !tell loswillios about deborphan |
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| 02:22.15 | abrotman | stew: or not |
| 02:22.19 | stew | not |
| 02:22.23 | asuffield | peterS: PAL is "probably 25". the name PAL refers to the technology rather than the spec; there's about a dozen variations, including ones that run at the NTSC norms |
| 02:22.26 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Film is 24fps, NTSC is 30fps. Film goes through a process called 3:2 pulldown which adds redundant fields to bring it up to 30fps. You can use 3:2 pulldown removal (aka "inverse telecine") to recover the original 24fps progressive signal |
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| 02:22.52 | Flimzy | Wyzard: But is that important? |
| 02:22.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: too much ... act more stupiderish! |
| 02:22.54 | Wyzard | dunno about pulldown from film to PAL |
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| 02:23.10 | asuffield | Wyzard: they don't bother. they run it off-speed |
| 02:23.16 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I have DVDs at various FPSs (apparantly depending on whether the original source was TV or film) |
| 02:23.32 | Wyzard | Flimzy: It can be important if you watch the video on a progressive display such as a computer monitor... you'll see "combing" artifacts (looks like interlacing) |
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| 02:23.40 | loswillios | thanks abrotman |
| 02:24.02 | peet | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:24.07 | Flimzy | Wyzard: That will happen if I don't convert a 30fps AVI to a 24fps DVD? |
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| 02:24.46 | asuffield | Flimzy: depends on your dvd player really |
| 02:24.52 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Most DVDs are 30fps interlaced, though I'm pretty sure it's possible to put 24fps progressive on a DVD |
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| 02:25.10 | asuffield | if it's xine then it won't care, and will just work. if it's some crappy embedded device then it might do anything |
| 02:25.20 | Flimzy | Wyzard: My Babylon 5 DVDs are 24fps, IIRC |
| 02:25.31 | Wyzard | Flimzy: The player can remove the pulldown on-the-fly at playback time if the DVD contains metadata telling it how to do so, but I doubt your production software lets you set that up |
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| 02:26.05 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Personally, I'm a perfectionist with such things, so I use VirtualDub and a collection of avisynth scripts to do pulldown removal manually |
| 02:26.15 | Wyzard | (There are automatic filters to do it, but they're imperfect... I can do it perfectly) |
| 02:26.51 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I'm not going to go thru my hundreds of hours of video (most of which is pretty low quality anyway) and remove such frames by hand :P |
| 02:27.08 | Wyzard | No, with most stuff it's not worth it |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | let's make eggs!! |
| 02:27.18 | asuffield | abrotman: you're going to need a chicken |
| 02:27.25 | Wyzard | Just copy the 30fps video onto the DVD |
| 02:27.27 | asuffield | abrotman: a *female* chicken |
| 02:27.31 | Wyzard | It won't look any worse than any other 30fps DVD |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | asuffield: emu! |
| 02:28.12 | Flimzy | Wyzard: So... you're saying I *should* convert my video from 24fps, 25fps, etc, to 29.97fps? |
| 02:28.22 | humbolt | asuffield: what about samba 2.2? also broken? or not usable with win2000/xp? |
| 02:28.35 | michal_d | anyone have any idea whhy dns might not work over a bridge? |
| 02:28.36 | Wyzard | No, if it's already 24fps progressive, leave it that way |
| 02:28.36 | asuffield | humbolt: even more broken |
| 02:28.37 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Or should I only convert if I'm converting down (which I'll probably never do, since I'll probably never run across a video source > 30fps) |
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| 02:29.17 | Flimzy | Wyzard: So if it's 24fps, leave it alone. If it's 25fps or 29.97fps, convert? |
| 02:29.18 | Wyzard | If it's 30fps pulldown'ed, consider removing the pulldown, but be aware that it's either a tedious (if done manually) or imperfect (if done automatically) process |
| 02:29.33 | Wyzard | If it's 25fps then it's PAL, and I have no experience with that |
| 02:29.50 | FieldySnuts | yep, video editing on linux is a sham (cinelerra sucks pee pee) |
| 02:30.08 | michal_d | i don't understand why over the bridge the nameserver doesn't work but otherwise it does.. another nameserver works over the bridge.. i don't even know what to check :/ |
| 02:30.15 | Flimzy | Okay... 24fps = leave alone. 25fps = PAL, SOL, 30fps = convert to 24fps if I want to |
| 02:30.16 | FieldySnuts | only good video editing app i'm aware of on linux is kino, and that's only useful if you pull video off a digital video camera, then it can do some basic editing |
| 02:30.26 | Wyzard | correct |
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| 02:30.36 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: I just use VirtualDub in VMware |
| 02:30.40 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Is there any way to determine if 30fps is pulldown'ed? |
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| 02:31.30 | Wyzard | Flimzy: If it came from film, it's pulldown'ed. If it was recorded by a TV camera, it's truly interlaced and there's nothing you can do about it. |
| 02:31.43 | michal_d | looks like i have to give up on having a local nameserver :/ it just doesn't work :( |
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| 02:32.05 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Search with Google and you should be able to find a description of the 3:2 pulldown process... armed with that, you'll be able to recognize the pattern |
| 02:32.09 | Flimzy | Wyzard: When playing back on a TV (in the U.S.) it will all be 'converted' to 29.97fps anyway, right? |
| 02:32.27 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Basically, three out of every five frames will look interlaced |
| 02:32.35 | Flimzy | Wyzard: So something at 24fps will be 'pulldown'ed by the DVD player? |
| 02:32.36 | michal_d | either that or the nameserver on the router has hung.. is there any way to test this? |
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| 02:33.00 | DiabloD3 | erk, xfree86 is still busted |
| 02:33.01 | Wyzard | Flimzy: right... if the DVD contains 24fps progressive, the player applies pulldown to convert it into the 30fps signal the TV expects |
| 02:33.39 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Is there any practical difference between a media file with 30fps and 29.97fps? (I've seen files with both values... wondering if I should convert, or ignore) |
| 02:33.42 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Sorry, correction, *two* out of every five frames will appear interlaced |
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| 02:34.50 | Wyzard | Flimzy: "24fps" and "30fps" are just approximations that are easier to say; the actual framerates are 23.976 and 29.97, which have a 4:5 relationship with each other |
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| 02:35.13 | loswillios | how do I know which debs are installed on my system? is there an apt-get option to show all my installed debs? |
| 02:35.25 | Wyzard | Flimzy: If you see a file that's actually 30.0fps, the person who produced it didn't know what he/she was doing, and it probably has sync problems |
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| 02:35.35 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I understand that... however, mplayer has shown '30 fps' as well as '29.97 fps' for different media files. Leading me to believe that some of the files actually _are_ 30fps |
| 02:35.46 | Wyzard | dunno about that |
| 02:35.51 | loswillios | the man-pages are a little confusing, speaking from dselect, aptitude ... |
| 02:35.54 | shingoki | isn't NTSC exactly 30? |
| 02:36.01 | Wyzard | shingoki: Nope, 29.97 |
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| 02:36.02 | shingoki | is that meant to be 29.97 too? |
| 02:36.03 | Flimzy | shift: it's exactly 29.97 |
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| 02:36.10 | shingoki | thats odd then |
| 02:36.21 | cafuego | Yes, and 30 is even. |
| 02:36.35 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 02:36.56 | shingoki | about 2 seconds audio sync in two hours then |
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| 02:37.02 | peterS | NTSC is 30 FPS for very large values of seconds |
| 02:37.09 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 02:37.14 | shingoki | but I think that most players will fix audio sync when playing at the wrong video rate won't they? |
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| 02:37.31 | shingoki | if they know about it anyway ;) |
| 02:38.13 | Wyzard | shingoki: Unlikely... professionally-produced video is highly unlikely to be at the wrong rate, and time-compressing audio without changing its pitch is mathematically nontrivial |
| 02:38.26 | shingoki | Wyzard, some players can do that though |
| 02:38.38 | Wyzard | shingoki: so it'd be a lot of effort to handle a situation that's never supposed to happen anyway |
| 02:38.40 | shingoki | Wyzard, non pitch shifting rate change |
| 02:38.53 | shingoki | no really, it was in some man pages I was reading, probably for mplayer |
| 02:39.03 | Wyzard | shingoki: They can do it as a "fast forward" thing, maybe, so you can still hear meaningful sound |
| 02:39.08 | shingoki | yeah |
| 02:39.09 | Flimzy | I just double-checked... I found one videio with FPS = 30.00 (created on a camcorder, perhaps a digital one), and one with FPS=29.97 (HDTV rip of Enterprise) |
| 02:39.16 | shingoki | but also for actually playing something at the wrong speed |
| 02:39.34 | shingoki | 30/29.97 is wrong anyway, isn't film 24? |
| 02:39.40 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Flimzy |
| 02:39.52 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: ? |
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| 02:40.14 | Wyzard | A piece of software like mplayer might be able to do it, but I'd be very surprised if any hardware player could do a slight shift of the audio like that |
| 02:40.26 | shingoki | hardware players, pah |
| 02:40.28 | Wyzard | I'm not sure whether film is *actually* exactly 24, or 23.976 |
| 02:40.30 | shingoki | they can't play anything |
| 02:40.40 | Wyzard | but for purposes of 3:2 pulldown, the input is considered to be 23.976 |
| 02:40.45 | DiabloD3 | 23.976 is the "pal film" fps |
| 02:40.50 | DiabloD3 | iirc anyways |
| 02:40.52 | shingoki | All I know is by the time most stuff hits DVD, it has been comprehensively ruined |
| 02:41.00 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 02:41.19 | DiabloD3 | yeah really, shingoki |
| 02:41.25 | shingoki | I've just built a broken mkvmerge :( |
| 02:41.32 | DiabloD3 | I've seen analog cable rips higher quality than the official dvds |
| 02:41.34 | Flimzy | why don't we all just use PAL with an easy, round number of 25fps? |
| 02:41.35 | shingoki | wish there was a testing package for it |
| 02:41.42 | Wyzard | Stupid studios do editing after they do the pulldown, so the pattern shifts around and no algorithm short of an AI can perfectly reconstruct the original |
| 02:41.46 | Flimzy | DiabloD3: of what programming? |
| 02:41.54 | DiabloD3 | flimzy: inuyasha |
| 02:41.58 | shingoki | PAL is nice, but US would never use it |
| 02:42.02 | Flimzy | DiabloD3: never heard of that |
| 02:42.08 | shingoki | I hate video "standards" |
| 02:42.15 | shingoki | some many broken console games as well |
| 02:42.19 | shingoki | skipping frames, playing slow |
| 02:42.48 | peterS | I think the NTSC/PAL world is moving toward the DVD-writable solution. that is, just make equipment that can handle all formats |
| 02:42.53 | shingoki | yeah |
| 02:43.15 | shingoki | should just have video in whatever basic format it started in, and convert on the flyu |
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| 02:43.22 | shingoki | and PC can play back "native" |
| 02:43.37 | Wyzard | I'll be happy when interlaced TV goes away so nobody does pulldown anymore |
| 02:43.40 | Flimzy | So if I have a stupid video file with _actual_ 30FPS... I guess I'll convert to 29.97... and lose one frame every 33.33 seconds |
| 02:43.44 | cat | how can i download a program source code? |
| 02:43.49 | peterS | shingoki: well, the PC has to convert as well - nobody runs monitors at 30 Hz or less |
| 02:43.52 | shingoki | if all TV's handled PAL, PAL-60, NTSC and HDTV it wouldn't be a problem ;) |
| 02:43.57 | Flimzy | cat: maybe you want apt-get source |
| 02:44.13 | EgoG3 | tor is + |
| 02:44.17 | Flimzy | peterS: I used to. |
| 02:44.17 | shingoki | peterS, yeah true but then you can always display frames twice, its not exactly a conversion |
| 02:44.21 | EgoG3 | erm |
| 02:44.38 | MobyTurbo | cat: apt-get build-dep foo && apt-get source foo |
| 02:44.43 | peterS | shingoki: it's not precisely twice either. nobody runs at 59.94 Hz or 50 Hz either. best to interpolate a bit |
| 02:44.45 | Flimzy | shingoki: That's assuming a 60Hz display... also rare :P |
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| 02:44.56 | asg | cat: apt-get source <pkg> |
| 02:45.11 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Be careful if you're going to do pulldown removal after the 30->29.97, because dropping frames will change the pulldown pattern and confuse the IVTCer |
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| 02:45.23 | gurubie | How do I change the "Error; Removing" strings (about 15) that start with 2.6.10. Why is 2.6.10 different. What are they? |
| 02:45.35 | Flimzy | Wyzard: I'm sure this video was never pulldown'ed |
| 02:45.49 | Wyzard | Flimzy: Oh, yeah, you said it was filmed with a camcorder |
| 02:45.53 | Flimzy | Wyzard: aye |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | peet: don't /msg me .. i don't use ati stuff ..i just know the key for dpkg |
| 02:46.00 | shingoki | Flimzy, not when we all use TFT panels! ;) |
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| 02:46.05 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I don't know much about DV... maybe it's meant to be 30.0 |
| 02:46.08 | abrotman | peet: and you shold never /msg anyone without permission |
| 02:46.11 | asg | !tell drfox about root |
| 02:46.16 | peet | sorry |
| 02:46.17 | Flimzy | Wyzard: *shrug* |
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| 02:46.29 | abrotman | peet: try #ati |
| 02:46.36 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I'd do a little research on that first |
| 02:46.36 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite peet |
| 02:46.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon peet. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:46.48 | shingoki | peet, to be brutally honest, ati card will probably never work properly |
| 02:46.57 | shingoki | peet, unless ati make some nicer drivers |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | you guys are so mean to ATI :) |
| 02:47.17 | shingoki | abrotman, they are mean to us |
| 02:47.29 | shingoki | abrotman, we buy their cards, and they can't be bothered to let us use them |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | shingoki: so is nvidia |
| 02:47.30 | Darien | so I did an apt-get upgrade on my roommate's machine, and now most of his /dev is gone |
| 02:47.31 | asg | abrotman: the cards work okay as long as you don't use their shitty drivers |
| 02:47.33 | peet | shingoki: oh well i just can't get the packages installed =\ |
| 02:47.37 | Darien | anyone know why that might be? |
| 02:47.39 | abrotman | but people still buy nvidia shit |
| 02:47.41 | Flimzy | Wyzard: DVD hardware players are supposed to be able to take "anything" you throw at it and convert it to (in US) NTSC, right? So if I burn a DVD with 30fps, 29.97fps, 24fps, 50fps, or anything stupid in between... in theory it *should* still play, right? |
| 02:47.41 | shingoki | abrotman, at least nvidia drivers sometimes work |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | shingoki: it's no better .. if you want open drivers .. buy cards that are open .. don't bitch about ati shit when you buy nvidia |
| 02:48.14 | shingoki | abrotman, I'll buy them until I can buy some other card with good GL support under linux, then I will rush to buy that marvellous new card |
| 02:48.18 | asg | Darien: sid? have you checked the bts? |
| 02:48.21 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I don't think so... I think there's a specific set of input formats specified by the DVD standard, and they're not required to support anything else |
| 02:48.22 | Flimzy | abrotman: Who do you buy your cards from? |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | shingoki: mine works fine ... |
| 02:48.29 | shingoki | abrotman, give me an open card to buy, and I'll buy the damn thing |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | Flimzy: with my laptop :) |
| 02:48.38 | Darien | asg: sarge |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | my intel card works perfectly fine |
| 02:48.41 | Flimzy | Wyzard: Do you know where I can learn about these standards? |
| 02:48.48 | Flimzy | abrotman: pha |
| 02:48.55 | humbolt | what packages would I usually have installed when I want cups and samba work together smothly and configuring the whole thing with kde? |
| 02:48.57 | spoopin | asg: hi |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | i get decent 3d .. and i don't need to spend days getting it to work |
| 02:49.05 | asg | Darien: I'd still check the bts |
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| 02:49.06 | Wyzard | Flimzy: I was going to refer you to a site earlier, but it doesn't seem to exist anymore |
| 02:49.07 | asg | spoopin: hiya mate |
| 02:49.09 | tyranix | Is xserver-xfree86 -12.0.1 also broken (i.e. today's upload)? |
| 02:49.11 | shingoki | abrotman, for decent 3D acceleration? I'm not even aware of an intell chipset that does decent 3D on windows |
| 02:49.15 | Darien | asg: for what package? I just installed a few hundred... |
| 02:49.24 | Flimzy | I also need to determine the possible bitrates for audio and video on a DVD |
| 02:49.31 | Darien | err, few dozen |
| 02:49.32 | asg | Darien: installed? you said upgraded. |
| 02:49.39 | spoopin | asg: Ty just sent me Motorhead :) |
| 02:49.40 | Darien | asg: yeah, well, upgraded a few dozen |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | shingoki: what is decent? .. i can play games .. and they work just fine .. quake3 demo gets like 70fps on the demo .. good enough for me |
| 02:49.48 | asg | spoopin: haha, which one? |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | shingoki: and the drivers are .. open |
| 02:49.53 | dli | any gaim user? |
| 02:50.01 | asg | Darien: then look in /var/cache/apt/archives (and start with those) |
| 02:50.06 | Wyzard | Flimzy: http://www.doom9.org/ maybe, but that's more of a general resource for video stuff |
| 02:50.08 | shingoki | abrotman, can you get them on a card, or just embedded? |
| 02:50.15 | asg | Darien: or at least those in there that are recent |
| 02:50.15 | spoopin | asg: cover of Metallica's Whiplash - they just won a Grammy for it |
| 02:50.16 | shingoki | abrotman, because I don't want a pentium |
| 02:50.25 | asg | spoopin: Motorhead did? |
| 02:50.31 | spoopin | asg: yes. |
| 02:50.33 | Flimzy | Wyzard: 'tis worth a short |
| 02:50.38 | Flimzy | s/short/shot/ |
| 02:50.41 | asg | spoopin: hah, was the mole there to accept? |
| 02:50.45 | abrotman | shingoki: dunno .. never looked .. i don't see why not .. other companies are a little more open . like matrox .. but thier newer stuff is expensive because it's like triple head |
| 02:50.54 | spoopin | asg: Dunno. I think so. |
| 02:51.00 | shingoki | abrotman, I actually looked at matrox for a card for linux, yeah |
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| 02:51.07 | asg | spoopin: nice |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | shingoki: i used to have one .. i loved it |
| 02:51.15 | spoopin | asg: It's actually quite good. |
| 02:51.15 | shingoki | abrotman, some of it isn't super super expensive, but none of it is anywhere near good value |
| 02:51.22 | shingoki | abrotman, I had a g200 it was great |
| 02:51.24 | asg | spoopin: I'll check it out |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | shingoki: i'm also not a serious gamer |
| 02:51.31 | asg | spoopin: did you up it yet? |
| 02:51.34 | shingoki | abrotman, me neither, its for using blender |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | shingoki: but .. it's better than selling my soul to nvidia or ATI .. and my blender movies work fine |
| 02:51.52 | Darien | so no one knows any particular reason why /dev would get wiped, OR the best way to restore it? |
| 02:51.52 | shingoki | abrotman, probably a good intel one would do the job, but I do think they are only embedded on intel boards |
| 02:51.56 | spoopin | asg: it'll be there shortly - it's in ty's home dir now |
| 02:52.02 | asg | spoopin: ah, cool |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | even though .. apparently the blender in sarge is a little wonky |
| 02:52.05 | helix | stew: well, besides an injured foot, yay :) |
| 02:52.15 | abrotman | helix: how did you injur your foot? |
| 02:52.18 | shingoki | abrotman, why even use it? just get 2.36 from blender.org |
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| 02:52.28 | shingoki | abrotman, it works fine, no install, just run |
| 02:52.28 | asg | abrotman: the mock meat was the culprit |
| 02:52.37 | abrotman | shingoki: i don't do it much anymore |
| 02:53.13 | shingoki | abrotman, but even if nvidia are as bad as ati ideologically, they seem to put far more effort into making their evil proprietary drivers work well under linux, whereas ati seem to do nothing |
| 02:53.15 | abrotman | asg: ew |
| 02:53.27 | shingoki | abrotman, I'd rather have functional closed source than nothing |
| 02:53.31 | abrotman | shingoki: have you asked ati for better drivers? |
| 02:53.36 | shingoki | abrotman, yes |
| 02:53.52 | shingoki | abrotman, I did their survey, sent a mail, and will probably do it again soon |
| 02:54.01 | shingoki | never heard anything back about survey though |
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| 02:54.04 | abrotman | shingoki: keep doing it i guess |
| 02:54.05 | helix | abrotman: no idea. I guess I sprained my ankle or something though |
| 02:54.11 | helix | you'd think this would be a memorable occasion |
| 02:54.13 | asg | !comfort helix |
| 02:54.14 | dpkg | There, there, helix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:54.16 | shingoki | I suspect they are just as lazy with their survey as with their stupid drivers |
| 02:54.17 | helix | thanks asg :) |
| 02:54.20 | asg | helix: :) |
| 02:54.26 | shingoki | even windows drivers for ati were very bad for many years |
| 02:54.46 | shingoki | they just seem to think people buy their cards to admire the theoretical specs and look at the shiny tracks or something |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | helix: admit it .. you got drunk and went jogging in central park! |
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| 02:54.57 | jstevens | shingoki: were? |
| 02:55.05 | shingoki | well, they are better than they were |
| 02:55.20 | anchovie | anybody have an idea of why my debian machine running G |
| 02:55.23 | shingoki | at least you don't have a readme that tells you if you do two of the 10 steps in the wrong order, windows will never boot again |
| 02:55.25 | helix | abrotman: can't be, I'm still alive! |
| 02:55.32 | anchovie | GNOME is only giving me a resolution of 600x800? |
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| 02:55.59 | abrotman | helix: oh .. well then .. guess not . but dont' feel bad . i've done the same |
| 02:56.05 | asg | anchovie: because you didn't configure X correctly? /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | anchovie: turn your monitor ! |
| 02:56.27 | anchovie | abrotman: OH! duh! |
| 02:56.34 | asg | abrotman: I assumed that was a typo but ... |
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| 02:56.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:56.51 | Led_Zeppelin | how can I find out, what files were updated at a certain exact time? |
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| 02:56.56 | abrotman | asg: mac portrait monitors! |
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| 02:57.03 | Led_Zeppelin | like "what files are updated today at 1:00a" ? |
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| 02:57.06 | asg | spoopin: I lost the Nortel/RH battle today btw |
| 02:57.18 | asg | abrotman: ah, or some tablet pc / scribblepad |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | shingoki: it |
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| 02:57.45 | abrotman | shingoki: it's hard to find a non-ati/nvidia card |
| 02:57.50 | spoopin | asg: meaning what - you have to set it up according to their specs? |
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| 02:57.56 | octavious | what cdrtools X frontend would you guys recommend, k3b is bloated, x-cdroast is really confusing...any others? |
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| 02:58.28 | abrotman | eroaster! |
| 02:58.35 | asg | spoopin: had to. I locked it down as best as I could but their install software undid all the fixes I made. Fortunately, it isn't network connected (only to management ports on the Alteons) |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | where's wifitux! |
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| 02:59.02 | AresGames | hi |
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| 02:59.08 | abrotman | where's wifitux! |
| 02:59.24 | asg | spoopin: I only got home an hour or so ago; It's been a long day of multi-vendor onsite fuckage. |
| 02:59.27 | spoopin | asg: well at least that's something |
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| 02:59.42 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:59.46 | spoopin | asg: that really sucks |
| 02:59.48 | Darien | success! |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | asg: wait .. do we get to fuck nortel again ? |
| 03:00.00 | asg | spoopin: yeah though it means that all management of those Alteons requires me to go down to the basement and sit on a fucking console to run a shitty java application. |
| 03:00.04 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 03:00.04 | Darien | udev deleted all the devices because I guess it must be stupid |
| 03:00.10 | shingoki | abrotman, I would really like an open card though, which is why I was hurt when you said I was evil ;) |
| 03:00.13 | puff | Evening. I'm about to set up java & tomcat on a debian box, and I thought it might be nice to try to set it up the "right" way for a change. |
| 03:00.24 | asg | abrotman: might as well throw NetAPP in there as well. Their shit is broken too. |
| 03:00.27 | shingoki | abrotman, it would be worth $100 extra for me, to get the same spec card but open |
| 03:00.31 | Lestat^O^ | I got crash since ome days and I can't see any logical things... in /var/log/message it show : Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000007c Any idea? |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | shingoki: well .. you are .. find one that's open . IMHO .. matrox is better/more open than ati/nvidia |
| 03:00.36 | spoopin | asg: suckage |
| 03:00.40 | shingoki | abrotman, just to save the bother of installs, and probably to get way better drivers too |
| 03:00.41 | MobyTurbo | puff: /msg dpkg java |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | asg: anything not broken ? |
| 03:00.50 | gartt | Anyone tried Cube? |
| 03:00.51 | asg | spoopin: yes. At least I made it out, Jeff and George are still there. |
| 03:01.07 | shingoki | abrotman, I've tried, I was looking at matrox but I found it hard to find anyone talking about the drivers, whether they are open and/or reliable |
| 03:01.09 | spoopin | asg: quite |
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| 03:01.15 | shingoki | abrotman, which seemed weird, I spent a while on google |
| 03:01.19 | abrotman | shingoki: ask #dri i guess |
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| 03:01.38 | asg | abrotman: well, once of the NetAPP head that they shipped us was DOA. The new SAN rack was faulting due to some 'undocumented hardware tolerance issue' |
| 03:01.45 | asg | s/head/heads/ |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | asg: did you shoot them? |
| 03:02.19 | asg | abrotman: no, you can't shoot people in the dino pen or the halon goes off |
| 03:02.25 | abrotman | shingoki: if you ask #dri . they would probably be able to tell you the best performing most open cards |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | asg: eat them? |
| 03:03.08 | asg | abrotman: I'd rather not. Now the SE from Juniper, on the other hand ... |
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| 03:03.36 | shingoki | abrotman, ill give it a go |
| 03:03.39 | abrotman | asg: so basically all your vendors except Sun pissed you off today? |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | shingoki: and come back and tell me your results :) |
| 03:03.52 | asg | abrotman: yes, Sun was miraculously not at fault today. |
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| 03:03.57 | shingoki | abrotman, this stuff might become more important too, with the nice new stuff using GL for compositing windows under X |
| 03:04.01 | abrotman | shingoki: i could be wrong about matrox/intel .. but i'd like to know |
| 03:04.13 | spoopin | asg: check the updates page.. Among the Living is there too |
| 03:04.19 | shingoki | intel would probly be great if I could get a card |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | asg: get scott a beer :) |
| 03:04.29 | shingoki | but I think it is all in the mobo chipset |
| 03:04.36 | asg | spoopin: ah, will do. I'll need something jammin for tomorrow. |
| 03:04.42 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 03:04.58 | bighead | hi |
| 03:05.15 | asg | spoopin: you still up for poker at Ty's? |
| 03:05.26 | bighead | so, my cdrom doesn't mount on my Debian system. Any urls, links to howto's info etc? |
| 03:05.26 | abrotman | i dont' get to go to poker!! |
| 03:05.41 | spoopin | asg: yeah, and Ted brought me some beer I plan to bring :) |
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| 03:06.02 | stew | helix: now what did you go and do to your foot? |
| 03:06.02 | asg | spoopin: rock. If it's cool with you, I'll ride along and crash on your couch afterwards. |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | stew: see her response to me |
| 03:06.18 | asg | abrotman: Ty's poker extravaganza must not be missed. |
| 03:06.19 | bighead | there is no /dev/cdrom :-/ |
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| 03:06.20 | stew | yeah just saw it |
| 03:06.27 | abrotman | asg: i wasn't invited! |
| 03:06.27 | bighead | can anyone help? |
| 03:06.36 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: stop hating me!! |
| 03:06.42 | Flimzy | Wyzard: The transcode manpage suggests letterbox and sideboxing 4:3 source video even when buring to a DVD for 4:3 playback, so that more of the original image is visible when overscanning is accounted for. Is this really a good idea? |
| 03:06.46 | spoopin | asg: absolutely - Matt may come along as well, but he won't know until sometime on Saturday |
| 03:06.50 | asg | abrotman: BYOB + $10 (unless Ty had a special at the club and then the booze is free.) |
| 03:07.01 | abrotman | sounds good to me |
| 03:07.01 | helix | stew: I walked in the snow for a long time with the wrong shoes |
| 03:07.02 | asg | spoopin: ah, nift. Do we have a time yet? |
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| 03:07.05 | helix | I guess |
| 03:07.10 | helix | but I must've twisted it or something |
| 03:07.12 | Lestat^O^ | I got crash since ome days and I can't see any logical things... in /var/log/message it show : Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000007c Any idea? |
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| 03:07.28 | spoopin | asg: somewhere around 8:00, I think... |
| 03:07.31 | stew | helix: whats wrong, no snow in fl? |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:07.36 | asg | spoopin: cool |
| 03:07.42 | helix | stew: imagine that... |
| 03:08.03 | asg | spoopin: here's your kernel error of the day 'TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 127.0.0.1:143/52274 shrinks window 585834578:585867346. Repaired.' |
| 03:08.21 | stew | helix: how was lunch? i've heard that place is good. |
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| 03:08.31 | spoopin | asg: haha! |
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| 03:08.36 | abrotman | mock meat is gross apparnetly |
| 03:08.40 | helix | stew: it was ok but I think we ordered the wrong stuff. are you on the mailing list? |
| 03:08.42 | stew | helix: even though i eat veggie, i tend to stay away from the fake meat products |
| 03:08.42 | spoopin | asg: treason uncloaked? |
| 03:08.58 | helix | stew: ditto |
| 03:09.01 | asg | spoopin: something was caught being sneaky. |
| 03:09.04 | stew | helix: yeah, too swamped today to get out. if people are getting together on fri/sat. i'll be much more up for it |
| 03:09.06 | helix | I wasn't the one ordering those :) |
| 03:09.09 | abrotman | what is fake meat? |
| 03:09.12 | helix | stew: we're going to vatan tomorrow night |
| 03:09.14 | spoopin | asg: where'd you get that? |
| 03:09.25 | helix | stew: and probably going to some other fancy place saturday |
| 03:09.27 | bighead | whats the difference between /dev and /.dev? |
| 03:09.28 | asg | spoopin: student email box. |
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| 03:09.29 | helix | ...and sunday, I hope :) |
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| 03:09.53 | spoopin | asg: nasty. any idea what triggered it? |
| 03:09.57 | stew | helix: vatan == indian? |
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| 03:10.14 | helix | stew: yeah, vatanny.com |
| 03:10.16 | stew | helix: indian that is not on 6th street? how befuddling |
| 03:10.21 | helix | heh |
| 03:10.22 | asg | spoopin: no, haven't had much time to investigate yet. |
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| 03:10.40 | asg | spoopin: probably spurious since there is only one. |
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| 03:11.13 | spoopin | asg: quite. |
| 03:11.24 | azreal | what does it mean if im getting scsi I/O errors and xfs fs meta-data errors from a drive? |
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| 03:11.47 | asg | spoopin: ah, this should be fun, they are cutting the other campuses over to a new MLAN setup. Looks like NE just popped. |
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| 03:12.21 | spoopin | asg: popped? That doesn't sound good. |
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| 03:12.30 | asg | azreal: time to fsck and pray. |
| 03:12.31 | ayecee | azreal, you'd think it would be bad cable, bad disk, or bad drivers, depending on the particular err. |
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| 03:12.50 | asg | spoopin: the campus goes offline for a brief period. |
| 03:12.55 | spoopin | asg: I am the law, by the way :) |
| 03:13.03 | asg | spoopin: you are, indeed, the law. |
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| 03:13.26 | spoopin | asg: you are monitoring? are you sure you want to see it? |
| 03:13.28 | asg | spoopin: or did you do something nifty that I wasn't previously aware of? |
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| 03:13.54 | azreal | asg: it fsck'd but im still getting the errors on boot, i hope the drive isnt failing, allthough its still under waranty |
| 03:13.57 | jjazz | Is there a way to convince cups that all my docs should be printed in reverse page order? |
| 03:13.58 | spoopin | asg: no, just enjoying what Ty sent me |
| 03:13.58 | asg | spoopin: I have to, we are going to do a SSL / Loadbalancing cut in an hour or so. I've got perimeter DNS and firewall conduits to setup. |
| 03:14.03 | asg | spoopin: :) |
| 03:14.20 | nvz | jjazz: stacking problem ? :P |
| 03:14.39 | asg | azreal: check cable connections and other related hardware. |
| 03:14.45 | spoopin | asg: bet the girl's pissed, eh? |
| 03:14.52 | shingoki | abrotman, apparently matrox drivers/cards are pretty crap, best card would be a radeon 9100 |
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| 03:15.06 | jjazz | nvz: Yep. Docs end up last page first, and I have to reorder them, which is a pain for 50 page docs |
| 03:15.06 | shingoki | abrotman, so nothing particularly powerful :( |
| 03:15.23 | abrotman | shingoki: says #dri ? |
| 03:15.26 | azreal | asg: how would i know if it were the card failing and not the drive? |
| 03:15.31 | asg | spoopin: she's in bed, and, handled having to bum a ride home and then discovering she didn't have keys to get in the house and had to hang out at her parents, is taking things in stride. |
| 03:15.35 | abrotman | shingoki: but what is the most open ? |
| 03:15.39 | nvz | jjazz: yep. I had a LaserJet 4si could put out 1000 sheets printed front in back any way you liked em |
| 03:15.45 | jjazz | nvz: thankfully, my gf will reorder the pages in return for rusty nails |
| 03:15.57 | asg | azreal: if you can, try a different drive. |
| 03:16.00 | spoopin | asg: cool. these things happen from time to time, I guess |
| 03:16.08 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 03:16.27 | shingoki | abrotman, that is the completely open ati driver I think |
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| 03:16.35 | jjazz | nvz: I had an old Laserjet IIP... man that thing rocked. Wish I still had it. It was bulletproof. I put it in my dad's office when I bought a 5-in-1 for home use and I've regretted it ever since. |
| 03:16.41 | abrotman | shingoki: they really don't like matrox eh? |
| 03:16.50 | shingoki | abrotman, I mean, the driver for ati which is open, not that ati open sourced anything ;) |
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| 03:17.07 | shingoki | abrotman, well just one guy, but he said they are crap ;) |
| 03:17.12 | spoopin | asg: although it's probably easier to take if the parents have stocked the frige |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | shingoki: the cards or the drivers? |
| 03:17.30 | asg | spoopin: :) |
| 03:17.37 | shingoki | abrotman, both I think ;) |
| 03:17.40 | abrotman | shingoki: so if you want an open 3d card .. but 9100 or 9250 ? |
| 03:18.04 | asg | spoopin: SW just cut over, wheee |
| 03:18.13 | bighead | since I installed Debian (woody, 3.0), I've updated from testing, and later from unstable. Is there a way, I can tell apt-get to instlal only the latest from testing, and remove any packages installed unstable? |
| 03:18.16 | spoopin | asg: I'm out for the night... I'll call on Saturday to coordinate |
| 03:18.27 | dvs | bighead: no |
| 03:18.32 | asg | spoopin: sounds good, get some sleep :) |
| 03:18.32 | shingoki | abrotman, he said 9100... presumably the newer cards aren't as well supported |
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| 03:18.38 | abrotman | shingoki: you sohuld ask about 9250 |
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| 03:18.42 | shingoki | abrotman, I assume they are a different core |
| 03:18.48 | j3di` | how can i see how much ram a debian box has? |
| 03:18.49 | spoopin | asg: yeah... you too, eventually |
| 03:19.00 | asg | j3di`: free |
| 03:19.03 | j3di` | ?? |
| 03:19.03 | shingoki | abrotman, go ask ;) I'm just busy looking at reviews of 9100, if they aren't complete crap I think I'll get one |
| 03:19.05 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 03:19.13 | asg | j3di`: /usr/bin/free |
| 03:19.20 | abrotman | shingoki: you play windows games? |
| 03:19.23 | puff | Goddammit. |
| 03:19.25 | asg | spoopin: night |
| 03:19.30 | bighead | umm, how do I mount my cdrom drive? |
| 03:19.35 | bighead | mount /cdrom doesn't work |
| 03:19.42 | bighead | mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom doesn't work either |
| 03:19.42 | puff | Googled on "tomcat 5 debian" and one of the links is some page about fedoracore :-(. |
| 03:19.43 | dvs | bighead: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 03:19.50 | puff | Dang bait 'n switch. |
| 03:19.53 | shingoki | abrotman, I have a separate windows PC |
| 03:19.55 | j3di` | thanx |
| 03:19.59 | bighead | dvs: it shows an entry now |
| 03:20.00 | stew | bighead: be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 03:20.07 | dvs | bighead: what entry? |
| 03:20.07 | shingoki | abrotman, with a 9800XT in it, which I often wish I could use under linux |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | shingoki: ah .. ok .. i think 9100 is dx8 fully complian .. but not dx9 |
| 03:20.16 | bighead | stew, ok. Being more specific, it doens't mount it. Gives me "bad block" errors |
| 03:20.23 | shingoki | abrotman, but I'm resigned to keeping a "games machine" and a work machine |
| 03:20.23 | bighead | dvs, bighead@debian:~$ ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 03:20.23 | bighead | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Feb 24 22:11 /dev/cdrom -> cdrom |
| 03:20.23 | bighead | bighead@debian:~$ |
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| 03:20.25 | abrotman | shingoki: but i think 9250 works with the same driver |
| 03:20.32 | shingoki | abrotman, ah ok. I'll check. |
| 03:20.33 | dvs | bighead: that's wrong |
| 03:20.37 | Phated | Well, how about writing an entry in /etc/fstab? |
| 03:20.42 | dvs | bighead: Where is your cdrom? |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | shingoki: that's why i said to ask :) |
| 03:20.49 | bighead | dvs, "where"? |
| 03:20.52 | shingoki | abrotman, my aim is to get the best supported most stable relatively decent hardware in a new linux PC, at some point |
| 03:20.52 | dvs | bighead: What device is your cdrom? |
| 03:21.00 | abrotman | shingoki: and you can get a 9250 for like 90$ iirc |
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| 03:21.10 | puff | bighead: Hm, a friend had a similar issue a few months ago (wanted to go from testing to stable IRRC) and pretty much everyone he checked with said "no way." |
| 03:21.14 | bighead | dvs: well I have a dvdrom and a cdrom. So I'm guessing dvdrom is the /dev/hdc1 and cdrom is /dev/hdc2 |
| 03:21.20 | shingoki | abrotman, with emphasis on support and reliability not speed... so a medium performance reliable gfx card would be great |
| 03:21.29 | dvs | bighead: It would be /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd |
| 03:21.33 | abrotman | shingoki: intel! |
| 03:21.34 | bighead | ah |
| 03:21.36 | Flimzy | bighead: You would guess wrong |
| 03:21.42 | bighead | dvs: ok. so what next? |
| 03:21.46 | dvs | bighead: do "rm /dev/cdrom" as root |
| 03:22.01 | stew | bighead: do: dmesg | grep hd |
| 03:22.04 | Flimzy | bighead: the 1 and 2 correspond to partitions. You can't partition a CD (well, maybe... if you have multiple data tracks... but that's very rare) |
| 03:22.05 | bighead | dvs, should I mention here that its created by udev |
| 03:22.06 | puff | Speaking of new hardware, I'm (at long last, thank you jesus!) laptop shopping, planning to finally take the mainly-linux plunge. |
| 03:22.19 | puff | Right now leaning towards a thinkpad, though I'm drooling over the panasonic toughbooks. |
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| 03:22.28 | dvs | bighead: Oh, then you have to modify files in /etc/udev |
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| 03:22.35 | bighead | dvs, ok. |
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| 03:22.42 | puff | Any comemtns/advice? I have about $2500, wouldn't mind saving a bit of it (I'd like to get a spare dock, etc). |
| 03:22.43 | n3o_X | were is the php cli found on debian? |
| 03:22.44 | bighead | which ones/ |
| 03:22.48 | n3o_X | whats the path to it |
| 03:22.55 | stew | puff: thinkpad! thinkpad!, i'd only consider a toughbook if someone else is paying and i was a lot more clumsy |
| 03:23.01 | Thaiger | At random times when I use firefox it seg faults on me, any advice? |
| 03:23.02 | asg | n3o_X: /usr/bin/php4 |
| 03:23.12 | shingoki | abrotman, nah, I don't want a superhot expensive CPU ;) amd64 if I can get it |
| 03:23.17 | puff | stew: any special reason? |
| 03:23.20 | abrotman | shingoki: oh ok |
| 03:23.22 | dvs | bighead: Here's what my /etc/udev/rules.d/cdrom.rules file looks like: |
| 03:23.31 | abrotman | shingoki: maybe a pcie card from intel .. i wonder if they make those |
| 03:23.39 | dvs | BUS="ide", KERNEL="hdc", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="dvd", GROUP="cdrom", MODE="0660" |
| 03:23.39 | dvs | BUS="ide", KERNEL="hdd", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="cdrom cdrw", GROUP="cdrom", MODE="0660" |
| 03:23.59 | abrotman | dvs: you know how to do automounting with udev |
| 03:23.59 | abrotman | ? |
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| 03:24.08 | bighead | dvs, I just create that new file? |
| 03:24.11 | stew | puff: well, between wifey and i, we've owned probably 15 thinkpads in the last 5 years and they have always treated us well. they are solid |
| 03:24.12 | dvs | abrotman: No, I'm not that daring. |
| 03:24.15 | Sero | How do I set my wallpaper in Blackbox? ^^ |
| 03:24.17 | dvs | bighead: yup |
| 03:24.21 | asg | Sero: bsetbg |
| 03:24.23 | abrotman | dvs: ah ok |
| 03:24.26 | puff | stew: You broke that many? |
| 03:24.30 | ncsu | does anyone know where i can get real player and wmp9 codecs for totem-xine? |
| 03:24.30 | puff | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | Sero: iirc .. esetroot |
| 03:24.36 | stew | puff: not as solid as a toughbook, but i think thouse are going a bit overboard |
| 03:24.46 | asg | abrotman: Esetroot |
| 03:24.47 | bighead | dvs, there is a "10-local.rules" which has one entry. # cdrom/dvd devices |
| 03:24.47 | bighead | KERNEL="hdc", SYMLINK="dvd" |
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| 03:24.52 | abrotman | asg: close enough :) |
| 03:24.54 | asg | abrotman: but he has to get eterm to get that |
| 03:24.56 | stew | puff: no, we buy them used for $1000 and sell them a year later, and we never have fewer than 4 |
| 03:24.57 | Thaiger | How do I compile my kernel to have ALSA support? |
| 03:25.10 | puff | stew: For what it's worth, there appear to be no fully-rugged 15" toughbooks, so I doubt I:'m going to get one of them. |
| 03:25.12 | dvs | bighead: I don't have that file |
| 03:25.19 | abrotman | asg: i know that |
| 03:25.22 | BIRDer | Execuse me ... |
| 03:25.24 | stew | puff: we currently have 6, i think |
| 03:25.25 | dvs | bighead: If that file is there, I'd change that file |
| 03:25.25 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 03:25.26 | puff | Or were you referring to the semi-rugged toughbooks? |
| 03:25.34 | abrotman | asg: he didn't ask how to get it |
| 03:25.39 | stew | puff: dunno, i haven'r really looked at them in a while |
| 03:25.50 | puff | This is going to be my main machine, use it at home, work, mobile, etc. |
| 03:25.55 | asg | abrotman: he will though if 'bsetbg' doesn't do what he wants |
| 03:25.59 | abrotman | asg: and he still hasn't |
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| 03:26.05 | asg | abrotman: you stunned it |
| 03:26.09 | stew | puff: yeah, i haven't uesd a desktop yet this millenium |
| 03:26.12 | BIRDer | Can I install DEBIAN on SATA? |
| 03:26.25 | stew | BIRDer: yes /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:26.28 | peterS | BIRDer: maybe. what SATA chip, do you know? |
| 03:26.31 | puff | which is why I kinda like the toughbook route, I wish I could get a fully-rugged thinkpad . |
| 03:26.32 | bighead | dvs, and there is a rules.d/cd-aliases.rules too :-/ |
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| 03:26.43 | abrotman | asg: i can't even remember who asked now :) |
| 03:26.50 | ncsu | anyone? |
| 03:26.58 | puff | Anybody know of a source for a tomcat5 package? |
| 03:27.05 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 03:27.07 | dvs | bighead: I said /etc/udev/rules.d not /etc/udev |
| 03:27.10 | BIRDer | MSI KM4M-V |
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| 03:27.15 | dvs | bighead: Sorry if that wasnt clear |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | puff: ask #tomcat .. they say it's pretty easy without packages |
| 03:27.21 | asg | puff: just download it from apache.org, it's easier that way |
| 03:27.30 | puff | abrotman: Yeah it is, I can do it that way. |
| 03:27.30 | peterS | BIRDer: I don't know what chipset is on there |
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| 03:27.55 | bighead | dvs, well I have 10-local.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d and I have 3 more .rules files which are actually in /etc/udev, but also have a soft link from /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 03:27.56 | puff | In fact I've done it that way a half a dozen times, not much to it, other than cobbling together some /etc/init.d scripts and such. |
| 03:27.56 | BIRDer | er... VIA VT8237 |
| 03:27.57 | peterS | BIRDer: anyway ... if the 2.6.8 kernel supports your SATA chip, debian-installer will probably work in 'linux26' mode. if not, not. |
| 03:28.12 | puff | I was just trying to stretch myself :-). |
| 03:28.14 | satHan | Hey, how do I move mouse focus between two different screens on the same X server? |
| 03:28.22 | puff | If I didn't force myself to try to do it "Right" every now and then, I'd never improve. |
| 03:28.29 | peterS | BIRDer: unfortunately the Linux VIA SATA driver is pretty new, I don't know if it's in 2.6.8 |
| 03:28.30 | abrotman | puff: otherwise .. ask the tomcat maintainer |
| 03:28.35 | dvs | bighead: Put then in /etc/udev/rules.d. udev will read the files in alphabetical order so the first rule it encounters wins. |
| 03:28.36 | asg | puff: then cobble your scripts plus apache's code into a custom local deb you can use whenever you wish |
| 03:28.37 | puff | Who's that? |
| 03:28.38 | satHan | BIRDer: my younger brother has that chipset |
| 03:28.38 | Lestat^O^ | I got crash since some days and I can't see any logical things... in /var/log/message it show : Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000007c Any idea? |
| 03:28.42 | BIRDer | emm... 2.6.8 means ... ??? |
| 03:28.44 | satHan | BIRDer: he just installed his system sucessfully |
| 03:28.50 | satHan | BIRDer: what you'll need to do (what he did) is: |
| 03:28.54 | bighead | dvs, ok lemme make them changes |
| 03:28.56 | BIRDer | Oh! Congratulate~ :D |
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| 03:29.03 | satHan | BIRDer: get a small IDE drive, he used an old 4gig I had lying around |
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| 03:29.11 | abrotman | !maint tomcat4 |
| 03:29.15 | dpkg | tomcat4: Debian Java Maintainers <pkg-java-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 03:29.19 | ncsu | codecs? anyone? |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | puff: ^^ |
| 03:29.32 | abrotman | ncsu: mplayer.hu .. i think |
| 03:29.34 | satHan | BIRDer: install Sarge onto that, and then build yourself a custom install cd, and more importantly a custom kernel with the correct patches |
| 03:29.42 | asg | ncsu: or #xine might know |
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| 03:29.50 | ncsu | ok, thanks |
| 03:29.51 | satHan | BIRDer: in theory you could do this on any other comp |
| 03:30.02 | satHan | BIRDer: and then install with your custom cd, it should work perfectly |
| 03:30.07 | BIRDer | satHan, What's Sarge? |
| 03:30.09 | satHan | BIRDer: he used 2.6.9 with some patches, look around |
| 03:30.16 | satHan | !d-i |
| 03:30.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 03:30.18 | bighead | dvs, ok added the rules. now how do I restart udev? |
| 03:30.28 | dvs | bighead: /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 03:30.29 | satHan | BIRDer: the testing release of Debian |
| 03:30.51 | bighead | dvs, ok now? |
| 03:30.59 | dvs | bighead: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 03:31.09 | BIRDer | oo~ Any other linux system that can support SATA? |
| 03:31.12 | bighead | yeah, gives /dev/cdrom as a link to hdd |
| 03:31.33 | dvs | bighead: now, put a CD in and mount /cdrom |
| 03:31.43 | bighead | bighead@debian:/etc/udev/rules.d$ mount /cdrom |
| 03:31.43 | bighead | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, |
| 03:31.43 | bighead | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.43 | bighead | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:31.43 | bighead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:31.43 | satHan | BIRDer: he's had the system a week and a half, it just booted up tonight :-) |
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| 03:31.54 | bighead | sorry :-/ |
| 03:31.55 | abrotman | bighead: guess what? |
| 03:31.57 | dli | anyone got file yahoo transfer with gaim? |
| 03:32.00 | puff | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 03:32.06 | shingoki | abrotman, thanks for help, I'll let you know if I end up with a decent card ;) |
| 03:32.07 | abrotman | puff: np |
| 03:32.07 | dvs | bighead: grep /cdrom /etc/fstab |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | shingoki: did you ask about 9250? |
| 03:32.22 | bighead | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:32.24 | BIRDer | I tried many types already ... like: SuSE Linux 8.1, WinLinux 2003, xandros, LindowsOS, redhat 7.1 ... |
| 03:32.25 | shingoki | abrotman, I think he's afk |
| 03:32.28 | anchovie | whoever it was who sent me to dpkg to configure xwindows... I thank thee |
| 03:32.30 | abrotman | shingoki: ah .. ok |
| 03:32.32 | anchovie | works beautifully |
| 03:32.32 | shingoki | abrotman, I'll have a look on google tomorrow |
| 03:32.45 | shingoki | abrotman, cya |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | shingoki: #dri is the best place to ask IMO .. they know a lot :) |
| 03:32.49 | dvs | bighead: I'm guessing you put it in the wrong drive |
| 03:32.50 | asg | anchovie: the 800x600 issue? |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:33.03 | bighead | dvs, well it is a audio cd :D |
| 03:33.05 | abrotman | asg: 600x800 :) |
| 03:33.16 | asg | abrotman: right you are squire ;) |
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| 03:33.28 | BIRDer | Then I saw many website intro 'debian' ... And looks like pretty good ... So wanna try ... :D |
| 03:33.31 | dvs | bighead: Then the rule is wrong. You're probably trying to put the CD into /dev/hdc |
| 03:33.46 | bighead | dvs, I don't understand? |
| 03:33.48 | BIRDer | But just the SATA problem only ... |
| 03:34.05 | dvs | bighead: Humor me by putting the CD in the other drive and then do "mount /cdrom" |
| 03:34.20 | bighead | dvs: ok :-) |
| 03:34.25 | dvs | bighead: Oh, wait |
| 03:34.26 | bighead | I was trying exactly that |
| 03:34.31 | dvs | bighead: It's an audio CD |
| 03:34.35 | satHan | BIRDer: Yeah, the patches for your chipset arent even in the official Linux kernel yet |
| 03:34.37 | dvs | bighead: you can't mount those |
| 03:34.38 | bighead | dvs, yes |
| 03:34.42 | abrotman | asg: i'm only squire? |
| 03:34.46 | satHan | BIRDer: so it will be pretty hard no matter what distro you pick :-( |
| 03:34.51 | bighead | dvs, but then how do I play those damn things using gnome-cd-player |
| 03:34.52 | asg | abrotman: term of endearment |
| 03:34.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:35.05 | dvs | bighead: Just put the CD in and play it (no mounting) |
| 03:35.35 | bighead | dvs, yeah, will give it a shot, if this CD drive starts behaving. I eject it and it goes back in |
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| 03:35.50 | dvs | bighead: OK |
| 03:35.54 | BIRDer | oo~ Thanks satHan ... That means ... If I use back PATA, everything will be settle? :O |
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| 03:36.20 | satHan | BIRDer: Yeah most likely, I think he had issues with his network card but thats probably mobo specific |
| 03:36.29 | satHan | BIRDer: (my brother) |
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| 03:37.58 | BIRDer | Maybe someday ... Linux will support all SATA ... Just don't know when ... right? |
| 03:38.14 | abrotman | tuesday |
| 03:38.33 | nvz | heh |
| 03:38.34 | dvs | BIRDer: Not necessarily. Some makers won't expose their code. |
| 03:38.35 | satHan | BIRDer: yeah, lots of chipsets work already. My guess would be sometime in the next month.. |
| 03:38.36 | BIRDer | Tuesday?? |
| 03:38.37 | bighead | dvs, ok. I just tried it with my dvdrom (after putting in the appropriate entry for dvd in /etc/fstab). It works. thanks a lot |
| 03:38.46 | dvs | bighead: np |
| 03:38.48 | satHan | dvs: he's looking for a specific VIA chipset |
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| 03:40.21 | cappicard | apt, raid |
| 03:40.22 | apt | i heard raid is (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives) A manipulation of SCSI technology that allows you to combine several hard drives for use as one. The benefits can be either speed increase or failsafe (so that if one drive dies or crashes you don't lose your data), or a combination of both. |
| 03:40.40 | cappicard | apt, setup raid |
| 03:40.54 | cappicard | apt, install raid |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | cappicard: tldp.org |
| 03:41.32 | cappicard | abrotman: I know how to install linux on a raid setup |
| 03:41.48 | cappicard | it's replacing a drive with a different brand in a raid1 setup |
| 03:41.57 | cappicard | that I'm having trouble with |
| 03:42.12 | maher | bighead: i use mpg321 |
| 03:42.12 | cappicard | bighead: amorak works good |
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| 03:42.18 | callipygous | hi |
| 03:42.19 | cappicard | and there's mp3blaster |
| 03:42.29 | callipygous | how would I say, make apache start and run with a higher priority |
| 03:42.30 | abrotman | cappicard: ##linux ? |
| 03:42.45 | abrotman | bighead: zinf |
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| 03:43.02 | callipygous | because if the system is doing something, and somebody wants to access a webpage, I can't expect them to wait till the system stops scratching itself |
| 03:43.02 | abrotman | totem |
| 03:43.02 | bighead | cappicard: sudo apt-get install amorak, doesn't find any packages :-/ |
| 03:43.13 | cappicard | in this case, a redhat server. it's the different geometries that's giving me a headache |
| 03:43.30 | BIRDer | Thanks everyone here~ You are so kind and friendly~ I have to go ... Bye bye |
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| 03:43.32 | cappicard | amarok |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | zinf! |
| 03:43.46 | cappicard | sorry for the misspelling |
| 03:44.05 | cappicard | ah, zinf is a good one. that one used to be quite laggy on my old box |
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| 03:45.17 | bighead | abrotman: doh it crashed :D |
| 03:45.52 | stew | bighead: cplay + mpg321 |
| 03:46.07 | abrotman | bighead: doh! |
| 03:46.27 | abrotman | bighead: are you running gnome ? |
| 03:46.48 | callipygous | how would I say, make apache start and run with a higher priority? |
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| 03:46.55 | bighead | yeah. I was telling it to read my songs from a directory, and I clicked something else, and it crashed |
| 03:46.56 | asg | bighead: mpd + <whichever frontend client suits you> (I prefer mpc myself) |
| 03:46.57 | abrotman | renice it |
| 03:47.10 | bighead | asg: ok will keep that in mind |
| 03:47.22 | abrotman | bighead: if you're running gnome .. you can try gdesklets with corner-xmms ... you might like it |
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| 03:47.45 | callipygous | yes, renicing it, but how can I get it to start with that priority on boot? |
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| 03:47.54 | satHan | callipygous: edit the /etc/init.d script |
| 03:47.57 | callipygous | edit the /etc/init.d/apache script? |
| 03:47.57 | asg | callipygous: edit it's init script and add the appropriate verbiable |
| 03:48.04 | asg | s/verbiable/verbiage/ |
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| 03:48.11 | callipygous | yes, that is what I thought... |
| 03:48.20 | abrotman | bighead: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=53 |
| 03:48.24 | callipygous | is that variable already in there? or will I have to figure out what to add? |
| 03:48.33 | bighead | abrotman: ok. Will look into it. Thanks |
| 03:48.42 | maher | callipygous: you may have to engage the old grey matter |
| 03:48.45 | asg | callipygous: no, you'll have to figure that out |
| 03:48.47 | joey_ | maybe where it says --exec $DAEMON you should add nice -n -10 |
| 03:49.21 | callipygous | i reckon brains are pinkish purple |
| 03:49.32 | asg | callipygous: however, if the box is crawling because it is loaded with lots of people requesting pages, you might need to investigate using more potent hardware or a load balancing solution. |
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| 03:49.52 | callipygous | thanks |
| 03:50.15 | callipygous | asg: no, its not, i just don't want the box to be doing something while people are trying to access it |
| 03:50.29 | maher | callipygous: don't run anything else on the box? |
| 03:50.40 | callipygous | yes, im chating in xchat on it now :P |
| 03:50.55 | callipygous | cus my otherbox is rendering blender stuff |
| 03:50.58 | Gumby` | is there a way I can watch what a user is doing in a console session? |
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| 03:51.14 | joey_ | stand behind them ;) |
| 03:51.18 | maher | Gumby`: use screen |
| 03:51.19 | Gumby` | lol |
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| 03:51.27 | callipygous | yeah, does screen let you listen? |
| 03:51.29 | Gumby` | maher: thats the only way? |
| 03:51.29 | asg | Gumby`: yes, does your policy provide for that. Have your users agreed to be monitored? |
| 03:51.42 | wasabi | Looking for some ppp help. I am using ppp to connect to a pptp server. Everything is working fine. What I am trying to do is to add a route to the LAN behind hte pptp server without hard coding netmasks. THe server is supposed to advertise what route I should add.... I am guessing I need to make a script for it. |
| 03:51.44 | joey_ | screen lets you join and share sessions |
| 03:51.52 | wasabi | However, I can't find out how to find the information the server sends from the script. |
| 03:51.53 | Gumby` | asg: I could care less what the user wants. |
| 03:52.03 | callipygous | yeah, thought it would |
| 03:52.10 | callipygous | cus screen is good for kinky stuff like that |
| 03:52.12 | asg | Gumby`: that is illegal in some places but ttysnoop is likely your best bet then. |
| 03:52.17 | maher | Gumby`: most people consider it unethical to spy on their users |
| 03:52.27 | Kero_1116 | hey guys, my X looks like this:http://img219.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img219&image=picture0018sz.jpg how do i fix it? |
| 03:52.31 | callipygous | what makes you think he wants to spy? |
| 03:52.40 | asg | callipygous: he just asked us how to do it? |
| 03:52.41 | callipygous | perhaps he wants to give tech help? |
| 03:52.43 | joey_ | there is also .bash_history |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | callipygous: right .. |
| 03:52.51 | maher | callipygous: then he can use screen |
| 03:53.13 | callipygous | yeah, spying sounds dodgy |
| 03:53.16 | Gumby` | how would one go about that.... |
| 03:53.19 | satHan | Gumby`: yeah, write a perl script to print out bash_history as it happens. you could watch the rest with top and w |
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| 03:53.30 | callipygous | why not just tail -f it? |
| 03:53.30 | asuffield | Kero_1116: this is #debian. looks like you're looking for #libranet |
| 03:53.31 | Gumby` | satHan: I could just use watch |
| 03:53.34 | Gumby` | or tail |
| 03:53.36 | asg | Kero_1116: ask #libranet |
| 03:53.37 | peterS | Gumby`: apparently screen can be set as your login shell. I don't know how it works in that mode |
| 03:53.48 | satHan | Gumby`: well yeah, depending on how system wide you wanted it to be |
| 03:53.51 | callipygous | anyway, bash users can turn off bash history :P |
| 03:53.58 | callipygous | im off |
| 03:54.06 | puff | http://www.pastebin.com/246107 |
| 03:54.11 | puff | But df says I have gigs. |
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| 03:54.37 | Nosf3ratu | I'm trying to get glx working with amd64. I have my nvidia module loaded, but some gl apps cannot load the glx libs. |
| 03:54.50 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:55.00 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: you're running pure64? |
| 03:55.01 | Nosf3ratu | If anyone has a working amd64/nvidia setup, feel free to /msg me. |
| 03:55.09 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, i'm trying to... |
| 03:55.14 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: try #debian-amd64 and #nvidia |
| 03:55.18 | joey_ | puff, permission denied means the user cannot write to that directory, not a space problem |
| 03:55.21 | asg | does 'df -i' indicate 100% inode usage in '/' ? |
| 03:55.23 | partially | do the 2.6.x kernel images have quota support for reiserfs? |
| 03:55.25 | Gumby` | interesting, how does one turn off bash history |
| 03:55.30 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, i've been trying there. it's dead. |
| 03:55.31 | puff | Hm, so I'm trying to make-jpkg (build my own java package) and it's giving me "cannot create directory `/etc/.java`: Permission denied. |
| 03:55.33 | BrutusLinux | I can't get a new sound card to work...it works when I boot knoppix.....I can't install alsalib because of esound2...how do I reconfigure? |
| 03:55.39 | abrotman | !piav |
| 03:55.39 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 03:55.40 | asg | Gumby`: HISTSIZE=0 |
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| 03:55.46 | Nosf3ratu | bah. |
| 03:55.48 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: they might be .. sleeping ? |
| 03:55.49 | Nosf3ratu | it's been days. :( |
| 03:55.55 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: days where? |
| 03:55.59 | joey_ | only root has write permission to /etc |
| 03:56.04 | stew | Gumby`: there is always ln -s /dev/null ~/.bash_history as well |
| 03:56.10 | puff | This is when executing the make-jpkg as an ordinary user; when I tried to execute it as root, make-jpkg gave mea warning (roughly, "don't do that, that's not secure"). |
| 03:56.10 | Nosf3ratu | since i first tried to get it working and asked around for help. |
| 03:56.13 | puff | Catch 22. |
| 03:56.26 | maher | puff: use fakeroot |
| 03:56.31 | puff | I did. |
| 03:56.35 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: so you asked those other two channels? |
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| 03:56.39 | Nosf3ratu | si. |
| 03:56.44 | Kero_1116 | asg: isn't libranet the same as debian |
| 03:56.48 | abrotman | no |
| 03:56.53 | partially | do the 2.6.x kernel images have quota support for reiserfs; i can get ext3 to work fine but reiserfs will not mount with usrquota in the mount options |
| 03:56.57 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 03:56.57 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 03:57.06 | BrutusLinux | reconfigure sound card? |
| 03:57.14 | puff | maher: I did use fakeroot... then I got the error at http://www.pastebin.com/246107 |
| 03:57.23 | asg | Kero_1116: no, we don't know what tweaks they made to their packages so we, #debian, cannot support it. |
| 03:57.35 | Kero_1116 | oh i c |
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| 03:57.40 | cartel_ | hey guys |
| 03:57.42 | asg | Kero_1116: you might try #xfree86 for general pointers |
| 03:57.47 | Kero_1116 | yeah |
| 03:57.51 | Kero_1116 | most ppl r afk |
| 03:57.55 | cartel_ | i need to reconfigure debconf to use noninteractive across a lot of boxes |
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| 03:58.01 | cartel_ | but i cant find what config file controls it |
| 03:58.12 | abrotman | Kero_1116: stop talking like that |
| 03:58.30 | asg | cartel_: man apt-get (/yes) |
| 03:58.30 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, I take it you don't have a 64/nv setup? |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: P4 laptop/intel .. works just dandy .. :) |
| 03:58.44 | asg | cartel_: be very careful, though, that can cause grave borkage. |
| 03:58.47 | Nosf3ratu | :( |
| 03:59.00 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: sorry . i try to avoid closed up crap :( |
| 03:59.16 | maher | puff: is the version of java supported by java-package? |
| 03:59.39 | puff | No idea, how would I check that? |
| 03:59.51 | stew | puff: what version? |
| 03:59.58 | puff | 1.5.0. |
| 04:00.06 | abrotman | puff: from sun? |
| 04:00.07 | puff | The make-jpkg man file just says "a current version" |
| 04:00.09 | puff | Yeah. |
| 04:00.14 | abrotman | worked for me |
| 04:00.27 | puff | Hm. |
| 04:00.28 | maher | puff: /usr/share/java-package |
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| 04:01.01 | maher | puff: do you have enough space? |
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| 04:01.08 | joey_ | you could create /etc/.java and chown it to tomcat...? |
| 04:01.36 | maher | puff: its not complaining about the failure to create stuff |
| 04:01.49 | puff | Hm, /usr/share/java-package says j2sdk-1.5 but the java installer bin is jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin |
| 04:02.11 | travisat | puff:rename it? |
| 04:02.13 | maher | puff: if you're sure its the same try renaming the file |
| 04:02.19 | puff | maher: See the pastebin, I included a "df -h" output there. I have enough space as far as I can tell. |
| 04:02.20 | stew | puff: running the .bin probably creates a directory named j2sdk-1.5 |
| 04:02.29 | travisat | no it doesn't |
| 04:02.33 | maher | puff: try rename then |
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| 04:03.07 | stew | puff: i've never installed 1.5 but 1.4 creates a j2sdk1.4 directory (or something similar) when you run the .bin |
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| 04:03.44 | travisat | I never got java-package to work with 1.5 |
| 04:03.53 | puff | travisat: Ah-hah... |
| 04:03.59 | abrotman | i did |
| 04:04.09 | travisat | how? |
| 04:04.15 | puff | Well, okay, time to punt once again and just do it the old-fashioned way :-). |
| 04:04.19 | abrotman | i'm that good ? |
| 04:04.23 | abrotman | i read the instructions ? |
| 04:04.30 | abrotman | ii sun-j2sdk1.5 |
| 04:04.33 | maher | abrotman: cheat |
| 04:04.39 | abrotman | maher: brains |
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| 04:05.06 | puff | abrotman: I'm looking at the sun download page, it doesn't list a sun-j2sdk1.5 |
| 04:05.17 | abrotman | puff: i know .. java-package made it |
| 04:05.23 | abrotman | puff: i can try again if you like |
| 04:05.28 | apt-get | Hi everybody |
| 04:05.28 | apt-get | I would like to purchase Debian direct from the factory. I'm at their website right now, I see 2 versions Woody and Sarge witch version is best for someone like me who only uses a computer for surfing the net email etc any help will be appreciated |
| 04:05.28 | apt-get | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.28 | puff | Just the same filename as I have already, jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin |
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| 04:05.44 | dvs | apt-get: factory? |
| 04:05.45 | maher | apt-get: try woody |
| 04:05.45 | asg | apt-get: go with sarge |
| 04:05.51 | apt-get | lol |
| 04:05.53 | puff | Oh, I should mention, I guess, I'm on woody. |
| 04:05.58 | dvs | apt-get: get hamm |
| 04:05.58 | stew | god i wish i needed java 1.5 |
| 04:06.02 | apt-get | I'm at the cheek out counter right now |
| 04:06.07 | stew | i'm stuck coding to the 1.1 spec atm |
| 04:06.11 | puff | I manually installed java-package and then did apt-get install -f to get the dependencies. |
| 04:06.15 | travisat | I used this page and replaced all references with 1.4 with 1.5, and it works great http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian |
| 04:06.16 | asg | stew: ouch |
| 04:06.21 | puff | Could that have messed it up? Should I manually download and install the dependencies? |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | puff: you'll have ot wait a few minutes |
| 04:06.30 | abrotman | stew: that's not a job .. that's torture! |
| 04:06.34 | apt-get | any sugestions? |
| 04:06.40 | stew | asg: i have friggen microsoft and their brokien jvm to thank for that |
| 04:06.51 | asg | stew: I just implemented Perl's 'while(<>){print}' in python and it took 45 lines of code |
| 04:06.53 | abrotman | oh god |
| 04:06.56 | asg | stew: double ouch! |
| 04:07.06 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 04:07.17 | stew | !rum stew <-- currently |
| 04:07.24 | apt-get | I'm not sure if woddy is only meant for servers where sarge is for normal pc use or visa versa |
| 04:07.27 | stew | woah |
| 04:07.28 | puff | Yuengling's a pretty good beer. |
| 04:07.34 | abrotman | puff: i know :) |
| 04:07.36 | puff | For the price. |
| 04:07.38 | apt-get | any sugestions |
| 04:07.41 | dvs | apt-get: woody is for servers |
| 04:07.42 | maher | apt-get: read th einstall guide |
| 04:07.55 | asg | apt-get: for a desktopy type thing, just get sarge. |
| 04:07.56 | apt-get | Ok so.... get Sarge |
| 04:08.05 | apt-get | kool thanks |
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| 04:08.09 | abrotman | puff: you must live next door to me :) |
| 04:08.11 | stew | asg: the one benefit to coding to 1.1 is that i get to chalenge my brain by reinventing the wheel from time to time |
| 04:08.16 | maher | apt-get: they are both for all uses |
| 04:08.17 | puff | For the longest time, we couldn't get yuengling (locally known as "yinzerling" because so many bars carry it). |
| 04:08.18 | callipygous | well that was a miserable failure:( |
| 04:08.29 | puff | abrotman: Possibly, where do you live? |
| 04:08.31 | apt-get | I was confused because woddy is listed as stable where Sarge is listed as not being stable |
| 04:08.34 | puff | I'll buy you the beer :-). |
| 04:08.37 | callipygous | tried putting NICE=nice -10 in the beginning |
| 04:08.38 | abrotman | puff: between reading and philly |
| 04:08.39 | asg | stew: true, is it an awt app? |
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| 04:08.46 | puff | I'm in da 'burgh. |
| 04:08.47 | callipygous | and before each instance of $DAEMON I put $NICE |
| 04:08.49 | callipygous | but nooooo |
| 04:08.53 | callipygous | wouldn't work :( |
| 04:08.53 | puff | Different direction :-). |
| 04:08.57 | nevyn | apt-get: sarge is "testing" |
| 04:09.00 | abrotman | puff: pittsburgh isn't 70 miles from pottsville |
| 04:09.02 | stew | asg: it was, its now thinlet.sf.net instad of awt |
| 04:09.08 | asg | stew: ah |
| 04:09.08 | puff | It isn't? |
| 04:09.11 | apt-get | I dont know what do do |
| 04:09.15 | puff | Then I've been viciously lied to. |
| 04:09.17 | slackd00d | use sarge |
| 04:09.18 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 04:09.20 | abrotman | puff: not even close .. it's near latrobe .. home of rolling rock |
| 04:09.22 | apt-get | I'm at the cheek out right now |
| 04:09.31 | Flimzy | Is there a minimum video bitrate for DVD video? |
| 04:09.33 | puff | abrotman: Hm. |
| 04:09.34 | abrotman | err pittsburgh is near latrobe |
| 04:09.34 | apt-get | sarge has 14 cds |
| 04:09.35 | stew | asg: extremely nice toolkit esp for the size. and size is important to us |
| 04:09.49 | puff | apt-get In a nutshell, the debian community is careful about coding. |
| 04:10.03 | apt-get | ok... |
| 04:10.17 | asg | stew: wince? |
| 04:10.19 | puff | apt-get: Which means that, compared to many other sources of software (like those emanating from redmond) that htey're neurotically paranoid about making code that doesn't, ahem, crash. |
| 04:10.22 | callipygous | so how do I get that init.d script to run at a -10 nice value? |
| 04:10.24 | callipygous | i mean yeah |
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| 04:10.45 | puff | apt-get: In pursuit of this, the debian project has the three different versions, stable, testing and unstable. |
| 04:10.54 | keko_ | !seen keko_ |
| 04:10.55 | dpkg | keko_ is currently on #debian (13h 35m 19s). Has said a total of 79 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 04:11.07 | puff | Stable is reliable. Testing is stuff that's getting ready to move to stable. Unstable is out on the bleeding edge. |
| 04:11.14 | callipygous | how would I get apache to start at a nice value of -10?? from init |
| 04:11.14 | asg | keko_: apt-get install dict ; dict redundant |
| 04:11.23 | stew | asg: no, its a mua that needs to fit on a floppy and leave room for msgs. its being used a lot in chad where people don't have their own computers but have their own floppy disks. and its being used by chadian businessmen who travel and want to be able to use it anywhere they can find a floppy drive and a java enabled browser |
| 04:11.24 | keko_ | lol i just sleeped 13 hour :P |
| 04:11.31 | dvs | puff: right now, unstable is very close to testing |
| 04:11.36 | apt-get | I already downloaded and installed sarge |
| 04:11.41 | apt-get | thats what I'm useing now |
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| 04:11.49 | asg | stew: I see, interesting. |
| 04:11.59 | puff | However, debian being debian, even testing is pretty safe... |
| 04:12.03 | puff | dvs: Cool... looking forward to that. |
| 04:12.13 | abrotman | puff: that java works perfectly fine for me |
| 04:12.16 | apt-get | I only been useinga computer fro like maybe aweek so I'm new with them |
| 04:12.21 | helix | apt-get: why did you change your nick? |
| 04:12.27 | callipygous | is there a way to set priority of init scripts? |
| 04:12.27 | puff | I can never keep track... the debian versions are named after characters from Pixar's _Toy Story_, |
| 04:12.43 | abrotman | helix: what was it before? |
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| 04:12.48 | travisat | apt-get: and you started with debian??????? |
| 04:12.49 | helix | "Help" |
| 04:12.53 | asg | hehe |
| 04:12.54 | abrotman | oh .. lovely |
| 04:12.55 | puff | Hence stable is "Woody", testing is (I think) "Sarge", unstable is "Sid" (the evil boy next door). |
| 04:12.56 | apt-get | because I don;t need techinal assistance anymore |
| 04:13.00 | apt-get | yes |
| 04:13.15 | apt-get | well first ubuntu then ddebian 5 days latter |
| 04:13.16 | abrotman | !release |
| 04:13.16 | dpkg | When is release ... the official answer: "Debian has a strict policy of never announcing release dates; therefore, the release date for ``sarge'' is not yet known.", or Stable release is "woody" (3.0), Testing release is "sarge", following that will be "etch" |
| 04:13.28 | puff | abrotman: Argh, story of my life. I must be a major bogon-emitter or something. |
| 04:13.29 | abrotman | puff: i got a perfect debian package |
| 04:13.50 | abrotman | puff: make-jpkg rules :) |
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| 04:14.03 | apt-get | so... if you were a noob whitch version would you go for |
| 04:14.17 | stew | callipygous: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/ ; they go in ls order, they are ordered by the numbers in thier names, S means start K means stop, read up on "sysv init" on the web, man update-rc.d, and why would you want to change the order? |
| 04:14.27 | abrotman | apt-get: i'd learn about homonyms first :) |
| 04:14.34 | callipygous | stew: no, not the order |
| 04:14.37 | asg | stew: by priority, he meant niceness |
| 04:14.38 | stew | dude you said homo |
| 04:14.40 | stew | oh |
| 04:14.41 | callipygous | stew: the nice value |
| 04:14.42 | dvs | abrotman: that's not even a word |
| 04:14.45 | helix | apt-get: yeah, but you've used four nicks so far |
| 04:14.46 | stew | nm |
| 04:14.50 | abrotman | !dict homonym |
| 04:14.52 | dpkg | Dictionary 'homonym' two words are homonyms if they are pronounced or spelled the same way but have different meanings |
| 04:14.56 | abrotman | thank you .. i win |
| 04:15.02 | apt-get | I dont understand why you mean by nics |
| 04:15.09 | apt-get | Log in? |
| 04:15.16 | helix | I mean things like 'apt-get' and 'Help' |
| 04:15.22 | puff | dvs: How soon do you think testing will become stable? I'm thinking of the new installer... |
| 04:15.38 | apt-get | I change them because I cant remember the ones I used before |
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| 04:15.51 | dvs | puff: At this rate, never |
| 04:15.52 | puff | apt-get: I'd go with stable, you don't need to borrow trouble. |
| 04:15.58 | helix | why does this all seem like a big lie to me? |
| 04:15.59 | apt-get | The Log names dispear when I log in and out |
| 04:15.59 | puff | That said, there's some sort of new spiffy GUI installer... |
| 04:16.09 | puff | Which isn't in stable yet, as far as I know. |
| 04:16.15 | keko_ | new people here should know dpkg here.. then they dont have all time to ask easy questions.. |
| 04:16.21 | asg | helix: starting to sound trollish |
| 04:16.25 | abrotman | helix: join the club! |
| 04:16.38 | helix | and he just started using computers 5 days ago? |
| 04:16.39 | helix | right |
| 04:16.41 | puff | abrotman: Did you run make-jpkg as root? |
| 04:16.41 | apt-get | Ok... So I'm going to click stable then cheek out... |
| 04:16.47 | travisat | who is??? *kerplonk* the echo of the *plonl* |
| 04:16.47 | puff | I'm trying to think what I could be doing wrong. |
| 04:16.54 | callipygous | I so don't understand why changing a script to start with a niceness value of -10 would be a problem |
| 04:16.57 | callipygous | but it appears that it is |
| 04:17.06 | abrotman | puff: fakeroot |
| 04:17.11 | abrotman | puff: like it tells you to do |
| 04:17.17 | puff | abrotman: Yeah, I did. |
| 04:17.24 | abrotman | puff: worked just fine for me |
| 04:17.29 | apt-get | Ok I did it woddy it is |
| 04:17.35 | apt-get | brb |
| 04:17.39 | mrowe | why does php4-gd depend on xfree86-common? |
| 04:17.41 | abrotman | didn't he burn it once already |
| 04:17.45 | puff | I downloaded the java bin, I fired up lynx from the debian box and grabbed java-package, lynx seemed to autoamtically install it for me. |
| 04:17.55 | puff | I guess 'cause I ran lynx as root. |
| 04:17.57 | abrotman | mrowe: libraries .. gd is image stuff .. it's notactually installing X |
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| 04:18.05 | travisat | puff: lynx installed jave? |
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| 04:18.17 | puff | Then I tried to run make-jpkg, like "man make-jpkg" said, and it said need these dependencies, so I did "apt-get install -f" |
| 04:18.23 | puff | Tried it again, it said "Not as root, dummy" |
| 04:18.29 | abrotman | fakeroot |
| 04:18.31 | callipygous | adding a nice value to an init script, why is that such a problem? |
| 04:18.46 | puff | So I su'd to the new user I'd set up (named tomcaT) and ran it as tomcat, using fakeroot. |
| 04:18.46 | callipygous | can't it phase --exec nice -10 $DAEMON |
| 04:18.47 | callipygous | ? |
| 04:18.54 | puff | fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1.5etc |
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| 04:19.06 | callipygous | or NICE=nice -10 |
| 04:19.06 | puff | And got the results at http://www.pastebin.com/246107 |
| 04:19.15 | callipygous | --exec $NICE $DAEMON ? |
| 04:19.47 | abrotman | puff: i have no idea .. it's always worked perfectly for me |
| 04:19.48 | keko_ | can i see from console howmuch memory is used in system... like hdd df -h |
| 04:19.55 | abrotman | puff something looks very wrong |
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| 04:20.01 | apt-get | well Woddy should arrive monday |
| 04:20.01 | dvs | keko_: free |
| 04:20.10 | easthero | why I can not open http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/? |
| 04:20.17 | keko_ | oke thnx |
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| 04:20.22 | easthero | Is it down? |
| 04:20.23 | apt-get | Hope woddy isen't to diffrent then sarge |
| 04:20.38 | abrotman | !wiki |
| 04:20.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wiki is either wiki.debian.net a place where you get help or from WikiWikiWeb, the author system behind most wikis. wiki is derived from the hawaiian wiki wiki which means hurry or fast. Ward Cunningham's PortlandPatternRepository was the first Wiki. |
| 04:20.41 | abrotman | !faq |
| 04:20.41 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 04:20.54 | abrotman | easthero: works fine here |
| 04:21.00 | easthero | last week,I can open it |
| 04:21.05 | easthero | I am in China |
| 04:21.18 | callipygous | adding a nice value to an init script, why is that such a problem? |
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| 04:21.30 | puff | abrotman: Thanks anyway. |
| 04:21.39 | puff | abrotman: What version of debian are you using? |
| 04:21.43 | abrotman | puff: sarge |
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| 04:21.48 | puff | Maybe it's because I'm on woody. |
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| 04:22.02 | stew | java pacakge is supposed to work on woody all the same |
| 04:22.03 | abrotman | puff: probably |
| 04:22.11 | abrotman | stew: have you tried it ? |
| 04:22.12 | puff | Oh well, so much for that learning experience, time to do it the hard way :-). |
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| 04:22.48 | travisat | puff: it isn't very hard, just install it to /usr/local and add it to your path |
| 04:22.49 | puff | Thanks again, if you're ever in the burgh I'll buy the beer. |
| 04:23.11 | puff | travisat: Yeah, I've done this a half dozen times already. |
| 04:23.12 | keko_ | nifht abrot |
| 04:23.16 | keko_ | anight |
| 04:23.17 | keko_ | night |
| 04:23.18 | keko_ | :P |
| 04:23.19 | puff | travisat: Just trying to do it The Debian Way for a chagne. |
| 04:23.23 | puff | Change. |
| 04:23.26 | puff | I hate going around apt. |
| 04:23.30 | stew | abrotman: < jvw> greycat: I've especially payed attention to make java-package work on woody |
| 04:23.33 | stew | oh he's gone |
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| 04:23.57 | puff | stew: Hm, well, sounds like i need to check in when jvw is awawke. |
| 04:24.12 | puff | Dangit, he's only been gone for 29 minutes, must have just missed him. |
| 04:24.12 | elsidox | can somone help me change my resolution? |
| 04:24.17 | stew | puff: how did you get yourself stuck int he burg? |
| 04:24.19 | elsidox | its stuk at 800x6000 |
| 04:24.24 | puff | stew: Grew up here. |
| 04:24.26 | elsidox | 800x600* |
| 04:24.28 | puff | stew: I actually kind of like it. |
| 04:24.31 | stew | puff: if you were born there i mean its great |
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| 04:24.32 | stew | :) |
| 04:24.40 | puff | Except I wish I could kick some of the local government. |
| 04:24.40 | stew | puff: do you like ahrn city? |
| 04:24.45 | callipygous | adding a nice value to an init script, why is that such a problem? |
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| 04:24.50 | maher | callipygous: its not |
| 04:24.52 | puff | Nah, I'm more of a yinzerling guy. |
| 04:25.10 | callipygous | you see im trying to get apache to start with a nice value of -10 from its init script |
| 04:25.24 | callipygous | maher: how did you do it thats so different? |
| 04:25.25 | Vanity_ | elsidox, press cntrl+alt+ + |
| 04:25.34 | puff | Okay, time to get to work. |
| 04:25.37 | stew | puff: i used to like the yeungling porter, but these days it seems to be just tasting like a dark lager |
| 04:25.43 | puff | Yah. |
| 04:25.53 | puff | I wonder about that... yuengling kinda hit it big the past few years. |
| 04:25.56 | stew | puff: i can say that now that abrotman is not here to defend yeungling to the death |
| 04:26.00 | elsidox | Vanity_: that doesnt help. heh |
| 04:26.03 | puff | I know they bought some big brewery facility down in florida. |
| 04:26.06 | callipygous | cus yeah, putting a nice -10 before $DAEMON just gaveme errors |
| 04:26.08 | stew | oh really |
| 04:26.08 | puff | Two or three years ago. |
| 04:26.14 | callipygous | as did putting a $NICE before $DAEMON |
| 04:26.18 | callipygous | yup, didn't work for me |
| 04:26.25 | callipygous | what am I doing thats so stupid? |
| 04:26.32 | puff | And they added "yuengling premium" to their lineup (basically it's what you buy for your ahrn-drinking friends). |
| 04:26.34 | asg | stew: first time I saw Yuengling on the shelves here, I thought it was from korea or something. |
| 04:26.43 | elsidox | can anyone help? |
| 04:26.47 | stew | asg: where do you live? |
| 04:26.53 | asg | stew: NC |
| 04:27.13 | puff | elsidox: We hear you, we just don't have an answer, sorry. |
| 04:27.30 | stew | ahh, interesting, i've got no clue about how far reaching it is, i grew up in eastern pa and went to school in pittsbugh, i lived on the west coast but its not to be found there |
| 04:27.32 | Vanity_ | elsidox, edit the XFRee86.conf |
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| 04:27.49 | Vanity_ | but spelled different |
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| 04:27.56 | asg | stew: it's pretty well entrenched down here; most bars have it on tap. |
| 04:28.03 | elsidox | Vanity_: how would i do that |
| 04:28.11 | callipygous | you see im trying to get apache to start with a nice value of -10 from its init script |
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| 04:28.43 | Vanity_ | uhh... vi /etc/X11/X-config-file |
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| 04:29.13 | speaker11 | evening everyone- |
| 04:29.29 | callipygous | adding a nice value to an init script, why is that such a problem? |
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| 04:29.32 | jjazz | /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:29.33 | elsidox | Vanity_: thats a blank file |
| 04:29.33 | callipygous | cus yeah, putting a nice -10 before $DAEMON just gaveme errors |
| 04:29.45 | Vanity_ | try /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 04:29.50 | callipygous | can't it phase --exec nice -10 $DAEMON |
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| 04:29.54 | doub | elsidox: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is your friend |
| 04:30.04 | speaker11 | I have a website audio question - anyone know if there is a linux equivelant to audio generator to add flash audio to websites |
| 04:30.06 | Vanity_ | what doub said |
| 04:30.07 | callipygous | how would I get apache to start at a nice value of -10?? from init is what im trying to do |
| 04:30.12 | callipygous | but IM not sure how to go about this |
| 04:30.14 | stew | callipygous: since apache spawns so many procs, renicing the one started by the init script isn't going to have much effect |
| 04:30.18 | callipygous | as whatever i do to change the inti script |
| 04:30.22 | doub | elsidox: be shure not to have a hand-made XF86Config file though |
| 04:30.26 | callipygous | it seems to not like, and give me errors |
| 04:30.35 | bighead | where can I get Muine debs |
| 04:30.37 | callipygous | so I have to try something else, and weh that doesn't work well i came back here |
| 04:30.46 | callipygous | because yes, that is where i was asking about it before |
| 04:30.55 | callipygous | and yes, ive read the man page |
| 04:30.57 | jjazz | Vanity_: On debian, use XF86Config-4 (see man xf86config-4) |
| 04:31.08 | callipygous | stew: oh, okay |
| 04:31.14 | asg | callipygous: put the nice -n -10 before the entire line that starts apache in the the init.d |
| 04:31.31 | callipygous | ok, thanks |
| 04:31.35 | stew | info muine |
| 04:31.42 | stew | !info muine |
| 04:31.44 | callipygous | but why wouldn't it work by putting it before $DAEMON, im curious :S |
| 04:31.47 | dpkg | muine: (Simple playlist based music player), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.6.3-7 (sid), Packaged size: 202 kB, Installed size: 693 kB |
| 04:31.56 | easthero | !faq |
| 04:31.56 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 04:32.21 | xerophyte | does anybody know any internel server monitoring program which will monitor the load and reboot the server |
| 04:32.32 | Flimzy | Are there any Linux tools to compress audio into AC3 format? |
| 04:32.33 | callipygous | so your saying put it before sstart-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON ? |
| 04:32.33 | asg | callipygous: because start-stop-daemon thinks 'nice -n -10' is a bunch of crappy options |
| 04:32.44 | callipygous | oh ok |
| 04:32.44 | Vanity_ | msg dpkg xorg |
| 04:32.45 | doub | Flimzy: transcode maybe? |
| 04:32.53 | asg | callipygous: nice -n -10 $ENV $SSD --start --pidfile $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON > /dev/null (on my sarge chroot) |
| 04:32.55 | stew | bighead: looks like its in sid but not sarge or woody, if you are running sarge, /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix ; if you are running woody, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 04:33.02 | callipygous | so that wouldn't make start-stop-daemon run with the higher nice? |
| 04:33.36 | jorgp | is php5 in sid? |
| 04:33.43 | stew | jorgp: no |
| 04:33.45 | asg | callipygous: 21639 www-data 6 -10 13784 5132 3860 S 0.0 1.0 0:00.00 apache |
| 04:33.49 | stew | jorgp: probably not until sarge releases |
| 04:34.03 | asg | callipygous: that's my top output for one of the apache processes |
| 04:34.06 | stew | jorgp: if you really need php5, first check your head as to why, then go to dotdeb.org |
| 04:34.07 | Flimzy | doub: At best, that would only work if the audio data was already in a video file |
| 04:34.17 | pla^net | stew: whens sarge coming? any ideas |
| 04:34.17 | maher | callipygous: you want to run apache with the nice value, not the script that starts apache |
| 04:34.19 | jorgp | stew: figures, same with xorg |
| 04:34.30 | Flimzy | doub: at worst, it won't work at all (which has been my experience thus far), or under very limited circumstances |
| 04:34.31 | stew | pla^net: /msg dpkg wwsr (its in the topic) |
| 04:34.39 | pla^net | ;) |
| 04:34.50 | pla^net | sry |
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| 04:35.14 | Vanity_ | does sarge have an estimated release date? |
| 04:35.25 | pla^net | lol |
| 04:35.28 | asg | Vanity_: wir, next |
| 04:35.29 | maher | Vanity_: mid april |
| 04:35.32 | jorgp | stew: yeah, dont really need it, was just wondering |
| 04:35.33 | stew | Vanity_: i belive the official esitmated release date was some time in june 2004 |
| 04:35.41 | callipygous | haha |
| 04:35.42 | Vanity_ | ha |
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| 04:35.53 | doub | Flimzy: just searched sf.net, found this : http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3/ |
| 04:35.58 | callipygous | it was running apache at 10 not -10 |
| 04:36.02 | stew | callipygous: out of curiosity, what is making you want to do this? |
| 04:36.07 | doub | Flimzy: don't know if that helps much, though |
| 04:36.09 | jorgp | Vanity_: it will be out (hopefully) before Xmas 2008 |
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| 04:36.52 | callipygous | well i don't want to be doing something on my system, and have somebody, at the same time, want to access my webserver, and have it lag for them |
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| 04:37.19 | doub | callipygous: the best thing maybe is to nice your processes |
| 04:37.26 | jla | Is there a serial port sniffer package in debian? I'm failing on apt-cache search and google to find one. |
| 04:37.44 | Flimzy | doub: I'll look at it anyway, thanks |
| 04:37.47 | asg | jla: minicom |
| 04:37.50 | doub | callipygous: having apache on a negative nice will make the system hang under high load |
| 04:38.06 | jla | asg: can it watch another program? |
| 04:38.15 | asg | doub: he probably doesn't have enough bandwidth for that to happen though |
| 04:38.27 | peterS | jla: snooper? |
| 04:38.33 | asg | jla: ? it just reads what comes out of the serial port |
| 04:38.46 | simonrvn | nicing is mostly useless on 2.6 anyway |
| 04:38.55 | callipygous | useles on 2.6? no way |
| 04:39.00 | jla | peterS, asg That's the one I saw and couldn't remember. Thanks |
| 04:39.00 | callipygous | anyhoo, im on 2.4 here |
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| 04:40.10 | jla | peterS: I mean thank you very much. I knew I had read that description a week ago and it was bugging me that I couldnt find it again. |
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| 04:41.34 | ryushe | lo folks, what can I do about a dkpg configure loop? it wont configure package A as it depends on package B, but package B depends on package A ;( |
| 04:41.45 | peterS | ryushe: dpkg --pending --configure |
| 04:42.09 | Kvant | ryushe, or dpkg -i a.deb b.deb |
| 04:42.28 | zeeble | grr. firefox and galeon memory usage shoot up like mad when some flash files are displayed on webpages, with swf_play. Can i turn these off somehow? |
| 04:42.41 | simonrvn | rm the plugin |
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| 04:42.45 | asg | zeeble: by removing flash, yes |
| 04:43.09 | zeeble | ok. guess i'll do without flash then |
| 04:43.19 | mwilson | Best thing you can do. |
| 04:43.30 | zeeble | heh, |
| 04:43.33 | simonrvn | yes. save your sanity |
| 04:43.35 | mwilson | Other than beating up Flash authors on sight. |
| 04:43.54 | stew | even if you are going to beat them you might as well rm the plugin first |
| 04:44.02 | simonrvn | those that make nothing but ads, yes |
| 04:44.21 | callipygous | thanks doub |
| 04:45.47 | karamelos | need help using mpgtx to split a video file. I get "range [02:06-02:28] results in invalid" even when that range is valid! |
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| 04:48.13 | igraltist | hi |
| 04:48.42 | ryushe | peterS , Kvant > both your options give me same result. Package B depends on package A, but A is not configured yet. --reconfigure gives me A is broken or not fully installed. doing a reinstall ain't working either ;( |
| 04:48.47 | igraltist | where i can say wich shell the system should use after reboot? |
| 04:49.01 | grrrr | chsh? |
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| 04:49.24 | peterS | ryushe: install them both at once, on the same apt-get line |
| 04:49.33 | ryushe | did that, no go |
| 04:49.37 | igraltist | no i get an error with /bin/bash now i want use the bin/sh systewide again |
| 04:49.43 | karamelos | igraltist, in gnome menu: advanced/preferred appls. |
| 04:49.56 | grrrr | what kind of error? |
| 04:50.04 | igraltist | no only on this maschin i have no desktop |
| 04:50.12 | peterS | ryushe: this is getting odd. can you paste the 'dpkg --pending --configure' output into the #flood channel? |
| 04:50.17 | MobyTurbo | igraltist: most Debian systems have /bin/sh as a symlink to /bin/bash |
| 04:50.22 | igraltist | /bin/bash: relocation error: /bin/bash: undefined symbol: __guard |
| 04:50.39 | ryushe | peterS > stupid thing is, it worked first time round, I purged both, reinstalled after some changes to other things, got this error :( |
| 04:50.46 | igraltist | and i know if i reboot i cannot login because this error |
| 04:50.56 | grrrr | have you tried reinstalling bash? |
| 04:51.05 | grrrr | or does that yield the same result? |
| 04:51.16 | Flimzy | doub: Well I guess I'll just keep using MP2 audio on my DVDs, even tho MP2 is not supported by the DVD spec for NTSC video... since my DVD player is happy to use it. |
| 04:51.17 | ryushe | in flood now peterS |
| 04:51.22 | igraltist | yes always the same result |
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| 04:52.28 | grrrr | igraltist: apt-get update upgrade show anything? |
| 04:52.42 | grrrr | igraltist: do you have unfinished apt fetches? |
| 04:52.48 | igraltist | yes |
| 04:53.01 | igraltist | when i upgrade tcames the erro |
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| 04:53.26 | michal_ | anyone know what TOS interactive services like ssh, telnet, etc use? |
| 04:53.37 | ryushe | thanks peterS |
| 04:53.39 | peterS | michal_: I don't think ipv4 services normally bother with TOS |
| 04:53.51 | peterS | but I could be mistaken |
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| 04:55.34 | FireEgl | michal_: Minimize-Delay (0x10) |
| 04:55.53 | michal_ | hmm.. i can set high priority TOS for 0 - 63 on my router.. not sure what that equates to |
| 04:57.22 | jazzanova_ | what does ctrl-t do ? is ithis an emacs thing ? |
| 04:57.30 | jazzanova_ | sorry, wrong window |
| 04:59.55 | FireEgl | michal_: Maybe your router wants it in decimal.. In which case, it'd be 16 |
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| 05:01.54 | igraltist | now i have install the dash and will remove the bash, he ask me i am sure i know what iam doing? when i say yes have i am than the old sh or dash or will disapper the console? |
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| 05:02.29 | clusty | how can I prevent some specific module from being loaded? |
| 05:03.25 | clusty | .....or how can I change which is the default soundcard device system wide |
| 05:03.51 | easthero | write these modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 05:04.06 | clusty | easthero: thanx |
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| 05:07.12 | easthero | Does www.linuks.mine.nu have another mirror site? |
| 05:07.27 | easthero | Does www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki have another mirror site? |
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| 05:15.25 | clusty | how can i give permission to everybody to access a NTFS partition? |
| 05:15.50 | dondelelcaro | !ntfs rw |
| 05:16.04 | dondelelcaro | !ntfsrw |
| 05:16.04 | dpkg | ntfsrw is, like, dream on! |
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| 05:16.16 | dondelelcaro | !read-ntfs |
| 05:16.17 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 05:16.35 | clusty | dpkg: i have it |
| 05:16.36 | dpkg | clusty: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:16.49 | clusty | dpkg: what do you mean? |
| 05:16.49 | dpkg | I mean what I mean! |
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| 05:17.06 | ArtVandalae | clusty, dpkg is a bot |
| 05:17.15 | clusty | ArtVandalae: :-d |
| 05:17.25 | clusty | ArtVandalae: thought so |
| 05:17.45 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, ntfsrw is <reply> Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
| 05:17.48 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 05:17.55 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ntfs rw is <reply> see ntfsrw |
| 05:17.56 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 05:19.41 | ArtVandalae | Ah another spike in IRC bugs, I honestly thought that the RC bug count was going to drop below 100 |
| 05:19.58 | dondelelcaro | ArtVandalae: they're RC bugs |
| 05:20.15 | igraltist | what can id do that apt forget all so that i can do with dpkg install packkages |
| 05:20.15 | shingouz | i seem to have some problems with rtfm here. the sarge installer, can it install a bootable basic system off just the cd or the whole enchilada from existing debian cd's? |
| 05:20.16 | dondelelcaro | ArtVandalae: and they always fluctuate... but by all means, pitch in and help close bugs. |
| 05:20.21 | ArtVandalae | Woops, sorry, was thinking IRC when I typed it :S |
| 05:21.06 | ArtVandalae | dondelelcaro, yeah. I'd love to, I'm learning to program now, so I'm about a year or two away before I can seriously try and help. |
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| 05:21.51 | dondelelcaro | ArtVandalae: eh, you can always help out... even without knowing how to program. Verifying and replicating bugs is often as useful |
| 05:22.42 | igraltist | apt-get clean does not help |
| 05:22.43 | dondelelcaro | not to mention the fact that not every bug requires you to know how to program. |
| 05:23.02 | dondelelcaro | igraltist: what you're asking for makes no sense at all. |
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| 05:23.44 | Mojo_Jojo | try apt-get -f install |
| 05:24.25 | dondelelcaro | randomly running apt-get -f install; is not really what you want to do either. |
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| 05:25.01 | cat | how about man apt |
| 05:25.08 | jair_11 | hello everybody |
| 05:25.13 | Mojo_Jojo | nuh, dont read manuals |
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| 05:25.26 | igraltist | no apt-get -f ibnstall not work |
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| 05:25.47 | jair_11 | I am trying to solve and error I am getting from my first clean fresh debian (sarge netinst) |
| 05:25.54 | jair_11 | it is simple |
| 05:26.18 | jair_11 | when I log in with the regular user, I get the sound and all the nice stuff |
| 05:26.35 | ArtVandalae | Not entering anything into the query box, I get an error (that's okay), but I think the error report may be a little inappropriate, I don't mind it. Good humour, but what about the image it gives. The error is: "An error occurred. Dammit. Error was: You have to choose something to select by." |
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| 05:27.11 | jair_11 | looks that everything is working exept some small things that need to be configured like the crntrino mini-pci ipw2100 and the codecs for mplayer and xine |
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| 05:27.41 | dondelelcaro | ArtVandalae: image? it's an error message. The program is unhappy that it caused an error. |
| 05:27.45 | jair_11 | but the error is whe I do apt-get install mozilla-firefox, it get installed and everything else |
| 05:28.00 | Mojo_Jojo | jair_11, did you update your apt-get ? |
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| 05:28.02 | scatterp_ | could some one tell me how i can add my self to the sudoers file useing visudo i want to give my self permision to run the file /usr/bin/kismet |
| 05:28.07 | shingouz | jair_11: did you get the netinstall working with the p1-75 somehow then? wow |
| 05:28.13 | Mojo_Jojo | I had same problem after doing a fresh install |
| 05:28.20 | jair_11 | but it looks like it is something wrong between my identity and the root |
| 05:28.21 | Mojo_Jojo | jair_11, do apt-get update |
| 05:28.36 | jair_11 | Mojo_Jojo, yes |
| 05:28.38 | jair_11 | I did that |
| 05:28.43 | jair_11 | first thing I did |
| 05:29.04 | Mojo_Jojo | did you try doing apt-cache search firefox ? |
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| 05:29.12 | jair_11 | shingouz, not I convert that old machine in a (smoothwall) firewall and vpn eventually |
| 05:29.15 | Mojo_Jojo | maybe it doesnt find anything |
| 05:29.27 | shingouz | jair_11: k :) |
| 05:29.47 | jair_11 | shingouz, I am having this small error I will copy it on pastebin.com and send you the url |
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| 05:31.58 | jair_11 | shingouz, calljair is my brother so it is ok he will copy the errors too. |
| 05:32.21 | shingouz | ok. just paste the url in the channel |
| 05:32.33 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 05:33.12 | calljair | shingouz, this was the first error: : xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server (this is the error as a user) running from the terminal |
| 05:33.12 | calljair | xlib: XDM authorization key matches an exissting client |
| 05:34.16 | calljair | shingouz, this is the error after I did (apt-get install mozilla-firefox) |
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| 05:34.24 | shingouz | calljair: i'm not sure how to fix that one at this point, has somethign to do with the permissions who is able to run the X in the first place but how to fix it... no idea :( |
| 05:34.43 | calljair | shingouz, right |
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| 05:37.18 | jair_11 | 1-line -> xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 05:37.34 | jair_11 | 2-line ->xlib: XDM authorization key matches an exissting client |
| 05:38.00 | jair_11 | this are the two errors I am getting when I try to start mozilla-firefox. |
| 05:38.15 | scatterp_ | how can i bind vncviewer to my current display ? |
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| 05:38.28 | faza | hi |
| 05:38.37 | scatterp_ | could some one tell me how i can add my self to the sudoers file useing visudo i want to give my self permision to run the file /usr/bin/kismet |
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| 05:38.49 | jair_11 | I am using kde but I think I need to do something like Xauthority=$Home/.Xauthority? something like that |
| 05:39.38 | ElNooboStupido | whats the current kernel for sarge? |
| 05:39.52 | jair_11 | Linux caracas 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Thu Nov 11 12:18:43 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:39.52 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:39.57 | deadcat | ElNooboStupido: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:40.11 | anhi | i dont get why ppl use distro kernels, building your own kernel with your own options and patches is simple and (imho) better |
| 05:40.20 | ElNooboStupido | deadcat, not using debian, considering doing so, just wanted to know current kernel version |
| 05:40.20 | jair_11 | it is a command where I can see the version I am using actually |
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| 05:40.36 | staniel | Hello |
| 05:40.45 | deadcat | ElNooboStupido: i am pretty sure you can get the latest kernel from unstable to testing as well. |
| 05:40.58 | deadcat | anhi: because it works |
| 05:41.00 | staniel | do thoe binary deb pkgs of kernel 2.6.x in testing have the ntfs modules in it? |
| 05:41.14 | deadcat | staniel: yes |
| 05:41.16 | jair_11 | I think that the sarge debian do not work very well with my laptop. It kind of get hot easily |
| 05:41.22 | deadcat | staniel: i think they have pretty much everything. |
| 05:41.29 | staniel | sweet, thanks |
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| 05:42.04 | deadcat | someone stole my 64MB mp3 player from my car lastnight. )=. dont know what they gonna do with 9 songs and dont have the usb cable. |
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| 05:42.20 | ElNooboStupido | deadcat, put it on ebay probably |
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| 05:42.56 | deadcat | ElNooboStupido: hehe. you wont believe the condition of the player. (=.. they gonna sell with "comes with 9 songs FREE" heheh |
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| 05:43.03 | ElNooboStupido | lol |
| 05:43.16 | nevyn | 3Dnow and 3Dnowext not found... |
| 05:43.26 | ElNooboStupido | im going ot be getting a new motherboard and attempting to overclock my amd chip |
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| 05:43.44 | ElNooboStupido | it doesnt allow you tweak the voltages |
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| 05:43.59 | scatterp_ | how can i bind vncviewer to my current display ? or even get my display number |
| 05:43.59 | punsad | I'm thinking about moving from woody to sarge... what are the chances that the upgrade will break my system? More specifically - I guess - are there any particularly known programs/servers that are problematic when upgrading? |
| 05:44.04 | da_bon_bon | when i was installing openoffice.org2 apt told me about some suggestted packages. now, how do i get that list back ? can someone paste it for me ? |
| 05:44.04 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
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| 05:44.39 | deadcat | da_bon_bon: apt-cache show |
| 05:45.21 | ElNooboStupido | so can anyone tell me what the latest usable kernel versio is for sarge? |
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| 05:45.32 | deadcat | 2.6.8 |
| 05:45.32 | da_bon_bon | deadcat: thanks a lot |
| 05:45.37 | ElNooboStupido | UGH!!! |
| 05:45.42 | deadcat | ElNooboStupido: packages.debian.org |
| 05:45.44 | ElNooboStupido | alrighty thanks for your time |
| 05:45.48 | scatterp_ | anyone here know about vnc ? |
| 05:45.48 | ElNooboStupido | deadcat, thanks |
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| 05:46.09 | punsad | scatterp_: I know I had a hell of a time trying to get it to work on woody |
| 05:46.25 | ElNooboStupido | http://packages.debian.org |
| 05:46.29 | scatterp_ | punsad do you know how to make it bind to your display |
| 05:46.34 | deadcat | scatterp_: apt-get install |
| 05:46.40 | scatterp_ | punsad, i have it runing already on another display |
| 05:46.54 | scatterp_ | deadcat, how would i bind it to what i am looking at now ? |
| 05:47.06 | punsad | scatterp_: dunno .. sorry |
| 05:47.17 | scatterp_ | deadcat, any ideas ? |
| 05:47.21 | deadcat | scatterp_: i dont know your q. |
| 05:47.42 | scatterp_ | deadcat, i want to make it so some one can vnc in and see this xchat window |
| 05:47.49 | scatterp_ | and what i am doing when i run the server |
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| 05:47.55 | scatterp_ | it creates a new x session |
| 05:48.16 | deadcat | scatterp_: i see. i dont know. dont use vnc. |
| 05:48.30 | deadcat | scatterp_: if its jus text. use screen+irssi |
| 05:48.49 | scatterp_ | deadcat, also i need to edit my sudoers file are you familiar with that ? |
| 05:49.08 | deadcat | scatterp_: man sudo, all the examples are there. |
| 05:49.18 | deadcat | scatterp_: sudoers |
| 05:49.51 | scatterp_ | i did no examples |
| 05:49.54 | yaboo | does the debian mips boot cd support O2? |
| 05:50.11 | deadcat | scatterp_: what you need to do? |
| 05:50.20 | scatterp_ | run kwifimanager |
| 05:50.39 | da_bon_bon | are kde 3.4beta debian packages available ? |
| 05:51.06 | scatterp_ | deadcat, i want to add a launcher for it |
| 05:51.17 | vijay | i want my terminal number should be displayed at my command prompt..how to |
| 05:51.19 | vijay | change it? |
| 05:51.54 | deadcat | scatterp_: suername ALL=/path/to/kwifimanager try this. |
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| 05:52.24 | punsad | scatterp_: Is vnc even meant to accept multiple connections? Maybe it is, but I know that by default - it kicks off the existing vnc connection when a new one is made.. or at least it did on the version I used a couple years ago |
| 05:52.32 | scatterp_ | deadcat i got the wrong app i ment kismet ok trying |
| 05:52.47 | scatterp_ | pundad yes you can make it do that |
| 05:53.09 | scatterp_ | pundad vncserver -alwaysshared |
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| 05:53.46 | da_bon_bon | are kde 3.4beta .deb packages available ? |
| 05:53.56 | deadcat | scatterp_: oh fuck you. i was testing sudo for you and commented out my all = nopasswd line and now i cant get root. (= i dont remember the root passwd |
| 05:54.13 | deadcat | shit only have iwconfig for sudo. )= |
| 05:54.34 | scatterp_ | deadcat cant you fix that with rescue ? |
| 05:54.43 | deadcat | scatterp_: dont want to reboot (= |
| 05:55.35 | scatterp_ | sorry :( |
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| 05:56.07 | deadcat | scatterp_: ya. damn i forgot my root passwd. |
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| 05:56.29 | bluefox83 | how do you patch a debian kernel if you used a debian image from apt? |
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| 05:56.45 | deadcat | bluefox83: kernel-source you mean? not image |
| 05:56.55 | scatterp_ | it didnt work |
| 05:57.01 | alus | how can I tell the connection speed of a local area network adapter? |
| 05:57.03 | scatterp_ | it said scatterp is not in the sudoersfile |
| 05:57.06 | bluefox83 | well, i downloaded kernel-image kernel-source and kernel-tree |
| 05:57.10 | deadcat | scatterp_: sudo kismet |
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| 05:57.16 | scatterp_ | i did that |
| 05:57.22 | deadcat | alus: try iftop |
| 05:57.29 | bluefox83 | and i want to apply bootsplash to it... |
| 05:57.34 | deadcat | scatterp_: you use visudo? |
| 05:57.34 | scatterp_ | deadcat, #flood |
| 05:57.38 | scatterp_ | deadcat, yes |
| 05:57.58 | deadcat | bluefox83: 2.6.10 bootsplash doesnt work on the debian kernel source. use kernel.org's |
| 05:58.12 | deadcat | flood me in #flood |
| 05:58.13 | bluefox83 | when you download i'm using 2.6.8 |
| 05:58.18 | bluefox83 | ;oihagr;haerg |
| 05:58.22 | bluefox83 | i'm using 2.6.8 |
| 05:58.30 | deadcat | scatterp_: try sudo -l |
| 05:58.39 | deadcat | bluefox83: bootsplash.de |
| 05:58.41 | bluefox83 | and when you are using kernel-image does it keep an unpacked kernel-source directory anywhere? |
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| 05:58.50 | ltx | Hi, I've recently set up debian, and I'm trying to compile my kernel for support of all of my devices, but upon compiling, and booting, i get kernel panic vfs sync error mounting the device on (0,0) |
| 05:58.51 | bluefox83 | deadcat, scuse me? |
| 05:58.55 | zeeble | bluefox83: no |
| 05:59.02 | scatterp_ | deadcat, i pasted |
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| 05:59.13 | zeeble | if you want source, get the appropriate source package |
| 05:59.21 | deadcat | bluefox83: kernel-image is the binary kernel. kernel-source is not the same source that builded the kernel-image. you want kernel-headers |
| 05:59.21 | ltx | im using grub, and it is configured correctly, i also have tried installing all of the filesystem modules, getting the same error |
| 05:59.32 | bluefox83 | i have the headers too.. |
| 05:59.58 | bluefox83 | do you patch against the headers or something? |
| 05:59.59 | deadcat | scatterp_: must be bad config, when you use visudo and quit it checks the syntax of the file. |
| 06:00.08 | deadcat | bluefox83: no. |
| 06:00.22 | scatterp_ | deadcat, yeah it has been saying its wrong untill i did what you said then no errors |
| 06:00.25 | bluefox83 | what do i patch against then? |
| 06:00.45 | scatterp_ | deadcat, but what you said didnt include my username so kinda explains it saying user not found in the file |
| 06:00.56 | vipersniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.58 | deadcat | scatterp_: woohoo. got my root passwd back (= |
| 06:00.58 | ltx | i've had the error with kernel versions 2.6.9 and .10, and can't seem to resolve this error, any help would be appreciated, thanks |
| 06:01.07 | scatterp_ | deadcat, cool |
| 06:01.12 | deadcat | scatterp_: "deadcat ALL=/sbin/kismet" |
| 06:01.20 | scatterp_ | ahh |
| 06:01.39 | vipersniper | anyone have any thoughts |
| 06:01.44 | deadcat | scatterp_: most people do this "deadcat ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
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| 06:02.01 | deadcat | wow. i type shit instead of this... (= |
| 06:02.11 | ltx | viper- are you trying to log in as root? |
| 06:02.26 | vipersniper | ltx, no |
| 06:02.55 | scatterp_ | hey cool it works |
| 06:02.55 | scatterp_ | :D |
| 06:03.09 | vipersniper | says i have no .Xsession |
| 06:03.12 | deadcat | cant believe my root passwd was abc123 )= |
| 06:03.24 | deadcat | vipersniper: under session. select KDE |
| 06:04.14 | vipersniper | deadcat, there is no kde under session |
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| 06:04.52 | ltx | for kernel troubleshooting, should I join another channel? |
| 06:05.01 | vipersniper | how do i add kde to session |
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| 06:05.38 | scatterp_ | hmm odd now i cant open a terminal |
| 06:05.54 | vipersniper | i tried echo exec >> startkde ~/.xinitrc |
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| 06:06.12 | deadcat | vipersniper: dont know. never and will never use kde/related |
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| 06:06.48 | deadcat | vipersniper: startkde works from command line? |
| 06:07.06 | vipersniper | no |
| 06:07.15 | deadcat | vipersniper: do you have kde installed? |
| 06:07.19 | vipersniper | yes |
| 06:09.26 | alus | deadcat: don't have iftop. ifport eth0 says "eth0 5" which I'm assuming based off this http://www.scyld.com/tulip.html is 100baseTx-FD which seems reasonable. am I right? |
| 06:10.03 | deadcat | alus: you on woody? |
| 06:10.11 | alus | sadly |
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| 06:10.22 | deadcat | alus: its cool. try ntop |
| 06:10.23 | alus | working on getting my sid machine copied over this one. |
| 06:10.48 | deadcat | alus: nevermind. |
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| 06:12.03 | deadcat | alus: bwm, pload or nload |
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| 06:14.46 | sussudio | spambot |
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| 06:15.17 | cafuego | WOOOO |
| 06:15.34 | peterS | sussudio: so is it? |
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| 06:15.41 | sussudio | peterS: it must be a control bot. |
| 06:15.51 | cafuego | iBook, iMac and iMac Mini. |
| 06:16.03 | deadcat | cafuego: all? |
| 06:16.18 | peterS | eXCaLiBuR: state your name, rank and serial number |
| 06:16.22 | cafuego | And a 4 day trip to Kuala Lumpur |
| 06:16.25 | cafuego | deadcat: yes. |
| 06:16.31 | deadcat | cafuego: you hit the loto? |
| 06:16.38 | deadcat | lotto |
| 06:16.46 | cafuego | deadcat: It's for my wife, but I got sh3llz |
| 06:16.53 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:17.08 | MobyTurbo | C Shells? |
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| 06:17.18 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: Eww, no. |
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| 06:17.30 | deadcat | my ibook's uptime is 26 days now. |
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| 06:18.03 | spo0nman | deadcat: congratulations. |
| 06:18.21 | peterS | sussudio: someone just stole your fhffhqvb trick |
| 06:18.35 | sussudio | hm? |
| 06:18.38 | deadcat | spo0nman: not bad. i dont why people complain about ibook and sleep mode |
| 06:18.48 | peterS | sussudio: nfhssvryq just came in and out |
| 06:19.03 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 06:19.56 | spo0nman | deadcat: never used one ... have around 120 day uptime on my IBM lappie which runs as a firewall at home though |
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| 06:20.06 | Agabus | anyone help me out with a kaffeine network broadcasting problem? |
| 06:20.09 | deadcat | i finally got the cool openbox theme. (= hella nice |
| 06:20.26 | Lestat^O^ | I got crash since some days and I can't see any logical things... in /var/log/message it show : Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0000007c Any idea? |
| 06:20.33 | deadcat | spo0nman: well do you sleep the mofo? i sleep the ibook ALOT |
| 06:21.35 | spo0nman | I had to break that pin that clicks the sleep thingy. so that it wont go to sleep its suppossed to run 24 hrs. |
| 06:21.48 | deadcat | spo0nman: hehe. |
| 06:21.57 | spo0nman | its closed and sitting on top of a shelf... |
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| 06:23.13 | Randex | is the ia64 images for a 64bit setup? |
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| 06:24.38 | jair_11 | guys I cn not fix this problem I install the package "sux" and un it and it shows me that configure a new xauthority |
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| 06:24.52 | jair_11 | I though that will work but it don't |
| 06:25.07 | jair_11 | the computer do not want to run firefox |
| 06:25.11 | jair_11 | for some reason |
| 06:25.38 | jair_11 | when I try from the terminal: (firefox-bin:4057): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: I get this error |
| 06:25.58 | deadcat | jair_11: echo $DISPLAY |
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| 06:27.30 | jair_11 | guys and why on my terminal appear:caracas:~# and not -> root@caracas:#? |
| 06:27.40 | jair_11 | something is not right on my computer |
| 06:27.51 | sussudio | jair_11: yes, i've hax0red it. |
| 06:28.15 | nvz | jair_11: thats a normal root prompt |
| 06:28.16 | jair_11 | sussudio, whatdo you mean? |
| 06:28.25 | mrphreak | jair_11, echo $PS1 |
| 06:28.30 | nvz | jair_11: the # indicates its root, and the ~ means you are in your homedir |
| 06:28.39 | jair_11 | hmmm but in all the other machines Linux I used before I get : |
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| 06:28.49 | nvz | jair_11: it only puts the username@ for $ because it could be anyone |
| 06:28.51 | jair_11 | root@hostname:# |
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| 06:29.07 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 06:29.56 | nvz | sussudio: that bunny really looks like he's ready for attack alright |
| 06:30.00 | jair_11 | for the command "echo $DISPLAY this is the result: caracas:~# echo $DISPLAY |
| 06:30.00 | jair_11 | caracas:~# |
| 06:30.03 | jair_11 | blank |
| 06:30.06 | jair_11 | nothing |
| 06:30.36 | deadcat | mrphreak: $PS1 is the prompt |
| 06:31.12 | jair_11 | for the command #SPS1 -> result same thing just a blank space |
| 06:31.25 | sussudio | nvz: yes. it's a soviet russian bunny, trained by the KGB. |
| 06:31.46 | nvz | those are the worst kind |
| 06:32.01 | sussudio | they make stew out of you. |
| 06:32.08 | deadcat | jair_11: usually we get :0.0 something like that. |
| 06:32.18 | jair_11 | the thing is this guys, the computer let me run so far all the applications I have installed : xchat, xine, but not (mozilla-firefox) ? I don't know why? |
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| 06:32.52 | deadcat | jair_11: try to close all the firefox first. |
| 06:33.12 | jair_11 | the icon get installed through (apt-get install mozilla-firefox) but the icon animate (bounce) and then in couple of second disappear and do not open. |
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| 06:33.34 | jair_11 | it id not even open once. |
| 06:33.37 | jair_11 | :( |
| 06:33.43 | nvz | jair_11: the command is firefox |
| 06:33.48 | jair_11 | ok |
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| 06:33.56 | nvz | not mozilla-firefox, run it from an xterm see what happens |
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| 06:34.06 | jair_11 | (firefox-bin:4072): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 06:34.14 | jair_11 | that is the error message |
| 06:34.22 | nvz | jair_11: do it as the user running X, not as root |
| 06:34.31 | jair_11 | ok |
| 06:34.42 | deadcat | nvz: but he has sux |
| 06:34.49 | jair_11 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:34.49 | jair_11 | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 06:34.59 | jair_11 | (firefox-bin:4076): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 06:35.05 | nvz | deadcat: sux? |
| 06:35.07 | jair_11 | this three lines is the error |
| 06:35.17 | deadcat | nvz: su with X |
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| 06:35.22 | jair_11 | I already run "sux" |
| 06:35.36 | nvz | wtf has sux got to do with running firefox |
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| 06:36.04 | kalag`` | xhost + |
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| 06:36.17 | deadcat | just use sudo man |
| 06:36.29 | nvz | wtf are you running firefox as root to begin with |
| 06:36.35 | nvz | just run it as your user, problem solved |
| 06:36.38 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:36.59 | nvz | running a web browser as root is just ignorant |
| 06:37.16 | jair_11 | I did sux and I get this answer nvz (my friend) have you ever install a package using apt-get install as a regular user on the terminal? |
| 06:37.29 | jair_11 | tell me yes and I will go back to windows |
| 06:37.37 | jair_11 | jus kidding |
| 06:37.41 | deadcat | yes |
| 06:37.50 | jair_11 | I will go to unix netbsd |
| 06:37.52 | nvz | I use sudo for apt-get |
| 06:37.53 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 06:37.58 | jair_11 | daaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 06:38.03 | jair_11 | that is what I did |
| 06:38.12 | jair_11 | I install the package |
| 06:38.12 | nvz | who cares.. thats not the point :P |
| 06:38.27 | nvz | run firefox as your user thats logged into X from the Xterm |
| 06:38.28 | jair_11 | then I click on the icon of the firefox |
| 06:38.34 | jair_11 | and guest what |
| 06:38.44 | jair_11 | the icon bounce for couple of seconds |
| 06:38.54 | jair_11 | and nothing happen, disappear |
| 06:38.55 | nvz | are you using sid? |
| 06:39.01 | jair_11 | sid? |
| 06:39.12 | jair_11 | ok |
| 06:39.15 | jair_11 | I did that |
| 06:39.18 | nvz | sid. the unstable distribution of debian |
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| 06:39.49 | jair_11 | nvz, Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:39.49 | jair_11 | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 06:39.49 | jair_11 | (firefox-bin:4076): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 06:40.14 | nvz | why cant your web browser open the display :P |
| 06:40.16 | tyranix | re: topic. Is -12.0.1 also busted on i386? |
| 06:40.27 | jair_11 | I don't know? |
| 06:40.32 | nvz | if its being run in X as the user running X it should work |
| 06:40.44 | jair_11 | I install debian sarge (netinst) |
| 06:41.21 | nvz | you just install firefox? |
| 06:41.29 | jair_11 | but this line is the one that make me get very mad:Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 06:41.43 | jair_11 | I install xchat |
| 06:41.45 | jair_11 | too. |
| 06:41.48 | jair_11 | same time |
| 06:41.50 | jair_11 | same command |
| 06:41.54 | jair_11 | same user |
| 06:42.11 | jair_11 | and the xchat is from I am chatting here with no problems |
| 06:42.20 | Flimzy | What is wxWidgets, and where can I get it? |
| 06:42.39 | Flimzy | (for Debian, that is) |
| 06:42.56 | jair_11 | my patience is getting waste, I am looking on examples on google IRC and I don't know what else to do. |
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| 06:43.33 | SmokinPuppy | Does anyone know what I should do about these errors while upacking the debian i386 3.02r installation? - "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken Pipe) E: subprocess usr/bin/dpkg recieved a segmentation fault some errors occured while unpacking I'm going to configure ..." |
| 06:43.42 | jair_11 | nvz, did you give up with this one? |
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| 06:44.02 | Flimzy | SmokinPuppy: looks like a hardware problem of somesort at first guess |
| 06:44.04 | deadcat | SmokinPuppy: redownload |
| 06:44.08 | nvz | jair_11: I am loading my VM |
| 06:44.16 | Flimzy | SmokinPuppy: or could be a bad download... do what deadcat suggests first |
| 06:44.20 | jair_11 | VM? |
| 06:44.23 | SmokinPuppy | I got CDs |
| 06:44.24 | nvz | Virtual Machine |
| 06:44.37 | jair_11 | nvz, I shuld remove kde again and install it back? |
| 06:44.42 | SmokinPuppy | and I've tried to redownload the packages like 10 times now |
| 06:44.45 | jair_11 | nvz, ohh nice |
| 06:44.50 | javaman | Does anyone know what I should do about these errors while upacking the debian i386 3.02r installation? - "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken Pipe) E: subprocess usr/bin/dpkg recieved a segmentation fault some errors occured while unpacking I'm going to configure ..." >> arggs it looks bad |
| 06:45.00 | jair_11 | nvz, I did the installation on this way |
| 06:45.19 | jair_11 | nvz, when I install the base system it do not come with X |
| 06:45.25 | nvz | jair_11: you just keep rambling off things that have nothing to do with one another |
| 06:45.26 | javaman | try using another cdrom or dvdrom |
| 06:45.26 | SmokinPuppy | sorry javaman |
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| 06:45.49 | jair_11 | I did apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 06:46.08 | jair_11 | nvz, then after that one was installed I run |
| 06:46.14 | jair_11 | I did apt-get install kde |
| 06:46.18 | SmokinPuppy | ya I tried the 3.0r2 and 3.0r4 cds |
| 06:46.32 | SmokinPuppy | do you know of any issues with sony vaio laptops? |
| 06:46.39 | javaman | a ok |
| 06:46.41 | jair_11 | then I boot and I get a creepie wellcome screen not to nice from the debian |
| 06:46.50 | jair_11 | that I don't know how to change |
| 06:46.59 | jair_11 | and the kde wizard appear |
| 06:47.12 | jair_11 | I don't really know what else to do? |
| 06:47.13 | javaman | did you start the install with " linux noprobe " ? |
| 06:47.21 | SmokinPuppy | no |
| 06:47.22 | Xemacs | jair_11, could be installing onto a bad disk |
| 06:47.31 | SmokinPuppy | do I do that after the base install? |
| 06:47.31 | jair_11 | Xemacs, please |
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| 06:47.58 | jair_11 | Xemacs, this is a $1600 brand new 450x gateway |
| 06:47.59 | javaman | hihi have you a firewire usb port ? |
| 06:48.11 | SmokinPuppy | no |
| 06:48.19 | cmug | wtf is a firewire usb port |
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| 06:48.25 | Xemacs | jair_11, trying to help (yw) |
| 06:48.38 | jair_11 | Xemacs, ok thank you anyway |
| 06:49.01 | javaman | my presario don't install without linux noprobe |
| 06:49.08 | SmokinPuppy | I have a small is400 port (what ever tf that is) |
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| 06:49.14 | cmug | jair_11, you say after boot you get runlevel 5? |
| 06:49.24 | javaman | it try to detect bad hardware |
| 06:49.31 | javaman | like firewire |
| 06:49.38 | javaman | just try :) |
| 06:49.44 | SmokinPuppy | so after I do the base install I type noprobe? |
| 06:49.55 | javaman | no before |
| 06:50.10 | SmokinPuppy | is it a boot option? |
| 06:50.18 | javaman | first time you install the distro |
| 06:50.32 | jair_11 | cmug, nope |
| 06:50.33 | javaman | when you choose the kernel at the boot time |
| 06:50.43 | jair_11 | cmug, I can not get firefox to run |
| 06:50.51 | javaman | yes it's a boot option |
| 06:51.06 | jair_11 | cmug, I am getting this error from the X configuration or envyroment: |
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| 06:51.28 | SmokinPuppy | so when it says boot# I type noprobe nothing else right? |
| 06:51.31 | jair_11 | cmug, Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:51.35 | javaman | no |
| 06:51.39 | javaman | linux noprobe |
| 06:51.47 | javaman | or something like this |
| 06:51.49 | jair_11 | cmug, Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 06:51.59 | SmokinPuppy | ok I'm at the cd boot screen what should I type? |
| 06:52.05 | SmokinPuppy | oh |
| 06:52.06 | SmokinPuppy | sorry |
| 06:52.16 | SmokinPuppy | I didn't see you answered already |
| 06:52.40 | SmokinPuppy | I'm trying it now |
| 06:52.44 | javaman | no pb |
| 06:52.56 | SmokinPuppy | thank you |
| 06:53.23 | javaman | you need to see what kernel option you can use at boot |
| 06:53.37 | SmokinPuppy | I have 1gb of memory do I need a swap partition? |
| 06:53.41 | javaman | sorry ( my english is very bad :)) |
| 06:54.02 | SmokinPuppy | well the installation started with linux noprobe |
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| 06:54.11 | javaman | you always need a swap |
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| 06:54.26 | raghu | SmokinPuppy: not really you need... |
| 06:54.28 | SmokinPuppy | what is a good size 512 MB? |
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| 06:54.58 | rico | good morning from switzerland |
| 06:54.59 | jm_ | SmokinPuppy: that depends |
| 06:55.00 | SiliconViper | SmokinPuppy, the general theory was always... double your RAM, wasn't it? |
| 06:55.06 | SiliconViper | As a guideline, that is. |
| 06:55.10 | javaman | memory / 2 or /3 is a good thing |
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| 06:55.24 | jm_ | for example, I needed as much as 4*RAM at times |
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| 06:55.33 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:55.36 | raghu | SmokinPuppy: but do not give 2GB...give 256 or 512 MB |
| 06:55.51 | raghu | SmokinPuppy: works fine |
| 06:55.51 | javaman | jm_ : for a file server ? |
| 06:56.19 | SmokinPuppy | so 512 should be good then right? |
| 06:56.30 | raghu | SmokinPuppy: yup |
| 06:56.31 | burnt-toast | if you have between 512mb and 1gb i personally dont think you will ever need a swap file unless you are compiling ISO images or the like |
| 06:56.33 | ravenbird | burnt-toast: what are you talking about? |
| 06:56.34 | SmokinPuppy | its just a private laptop |
| 06:56.38 | burnt-toast | smaller is generally better :-) |
| 06:56.40 | ravenbird | okay, burnt-toast |
| 06:56.52 | javaman | burnt-toast :) |
| 06:56.55 | SmokinPuppy | thanks guys |
| 06:56.56 | ravenbird | SmokinPuppy: bitte |
| 06:56.58 | jm_ | javaman: my workstation |
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| 06:57.17 | Gnea | wtf |
| 06:57.20 | SmokinPuppy | I'll pop in if I run into problems again |
| 06:57.32 | Gnea | !smite ravenbird |
| 06:57.36 | jm_ | huh, ravenbird needs reconfiguration, it seems to be in non-addressable mode |
| 06:57.42 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:57.43 | ravenbird | lol in no way resembles the sound that is produced while "Laughing Out Loud", so it looks very lame when you say it; use "heh" or "haha" instead or use an action ("/me laughs") 'lol' is also not punctuation. See also: loll, or peterS does interesting things if you do this and he's in the mood ;P |
| 06:57.45 | Gnea | yeah |
| 06:57.46 | ravenbird | [yeah] YEAH |
| 06:57.47 | javaman | SmokinPuppy: do you read the vaoi debian faq ? |
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| 06:57.54 | Gnea | oh bloody hell |
| 06:57.55 | jm_ | simonrvn beep beep beep |
| 06:58.03 | Gnea | ravenbird is wh0red |
| 06:58.08 | simonrvn | jm_: what? |
| 06:58.17 | Gnea | simonrvn: fix your bot man :) |
| 06:58.22 | jm_ | simonrvn: ravenbird's behaviour is unnacceptable! :) |
| 06:58.26 | simonrvn | woops |
| 06:58.32 | SmokinPuppy | no javaman where is the vaio debian faq?? |
| 06:58.33 | Gnea | hehe |
| 06:58.42 | javaman | arggs :) |
| 06:58.45 | burnt-toast | theres a faq for these things? lol |
| 06:58.46 | javaman | ok |
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| 06:58.55 | burnt-toast | oh well... seems i didnt need it for mine :D |
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| 06:59.22 | burnt-toast | anyone else notice the excess of traffic on port 2426 recently? |
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| 07:00.19 | SmokinPuppy | what kind of vaio burnt-toast? |
| 07:00.31 | burnt-toast | pcg-r505dck |
| 07:00.51 | burnt-toast | 810? chipset with 830 graphics card |
| 07:01.01 | burnt-toast | my firewall is lighting up like a christmas tree from tons of traffic on 2426... |
| 07:01.22 | burnt-toast | makes me just want to nuke these machines off of the internet >.< |
| 07:01.50 | javaman | SmokinPuppy, http://home.inter.net/terhechte/fx805/ : sorry you must have a firewire usb port |
| 07:01.57 | javaman | :) |
| 07:02.30 | burnt-toast | a firewire usb port.... thats new |
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| 07:02.58 | javaman | burnt-toast : :) |
| 07:03.12 | zinx | firewire usb bluetooth scsi port! |
| 07:03.23 | burnt-toast | with video out! |
| 07:03.25 | zinx | yes! |
| 07:03.39 | burnt-toast | and 7.1 surround on 802.11a |
| 07:03.42 | zinx | haha |
| 07:03.44 | javaman | sorry |
| 07:03.46 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 07:03.48 | javaman | muhahaha |
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| 07:03.58 | javaman | You need to load the ieee1394 and ohci1394 kernel modules, plus any additional modules required by your FireWire devices. |
| 07:03.58 | SmokinPuppy | javaman will that page work with the PCG-GRT270? |
| 07:04.10 | javaman | dontno |
| 07:05.00 | javaman | burnt-toast : and 7.1 surround on 802.11a : i'm the hardware king |
| 07:05.07 | suncomet | is there any program to view images in text mode, i can even watch movies in textmode with mplayer, so is there anything for images? |
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| 07:07.08 | burnt-toast | SmokinPuppy: be very careful as your hardware may be vastly different than that page lists |
| 07:07.50 | burnt-toast | as thats for an fx805 laptop |
| 07:08.14 | javaman | SmokinPuppy: but it's a good base to learn |
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| 07:08.37 | shaym | hello |
| 07:08.39 | burnt-toast | hmm... IMHO not if the hardware is totally different... |
| 07:08.55 | shaym | i'm under sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 07:09.05 | shaym | how to disable the power button shutdown ? |
| 07:09.36 | jm_ | Shay: disable acpid or apmd or whatever is catching the events, or reconfigure it |
| 07:09.40 | jm_ | shaym ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 07:10.10 | shaym | just the daemon ? |
| 07:10.11 | burnt-toast | reconfigure is the best bet |
| 07:10.12 | burnt-toast | here |
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| 07:10.29 | shaym | i have apmd started |
| 07:10.30 | burnt-toast | edit /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn |
| 07:10.43 | burnt-toast | if thats what you have running |
| 07:11.07 | shaym | i don't have acpi |
| 07:11.16 | javaman | burnt-toast : you can stop the service no ? |
| 07:11.23 | shaym | i need apmd |
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| 07:11.34 | shaym | but without powerbtn donw |
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| 07:11.46 | jm_ | so reconfigure what it does when it receives the event |
| 07:11.55 | burnt-toast | i just wonder if your fans and such will work properly with apm shut down |
| 07:11.59 | burnt-toast | or battery status |
| 07:12.02 | burnt-toast | if its a ltptop |
| 07:12.13 | burnt-toast | s/ltptop/laptop |
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| 07:12.44 | shaym | it's not a laptop |
| 07:12.47 | burnt-toast | as i dont have apm on this laptop (acpi with kernel 2.6.10) i cant help much with config for apm |
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| 07:13.56 | abrocadabro | how can I save my volumn after alsamixer so next boot with not mute my sound? |
| 07:14.00 | burnt-toast | if its a desktop you should be able to just turn the whole service off. only thing i think wont work right is the stanby / hard disk spindown |
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| 07:15.09 | HalNineThousand | I'm having a problem receiving forwarded connections on a Debian based distro. Can anyone help me figure out why forwarded ssh and rsync connections are not taken? |
| 07:15.36 | simonrvn | we don't do debian-based, we do debian |
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| 07:15.54 | simonrvn | test |
| 07:16.04 | simonrvn | testing hello |
| 07:16.09 | simonrvn | @test |
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| 07:16.25 | burnt-toast | well from that much information i might suspect its because with both ssh and rsync you are setting up authentication between two hosts... if i remember right theres additional config needed for pass-through or forwarding to work right... |
| 07:16.27 | ravenbird | that's too long, burnt-toast |
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| 07:16.37 | peterS | ravenbird: test |
| 07:16.38 | shaym | i founs this : CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y |
| 07:16.45 | javaman | ++ all |
| 07:16.47 | simonrvn | crap |
| 07:16.49 | shaym | in /boot/config-2.6.8-2 |
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| 07:17.19 | ltx | hi, I recently compiled a new kernel for debian, and upon booting it, i get the following error: "UDF-fs: No VRS found." /n "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown - block(22,2)" |
| 07:17.29 | burnt-toast | shaym: do you see any acpi events in the output of dmesg? |
| 07:17.44 | simonrvn | something broke |
| 07:17.54 | shaym | i don't have ACPI |
| 07:18.03 | Lazar | anyone conscious enough to help with some netfilter commands? |
| 07:18.06 | ltx | i use an ATA/IDE hard drive, i built them both into the kernel, i'm using ext2, built that in as well, use grub, menu.1st is correct |
| 07:18.17 | shaym | ACPI disabled because your bios is from 2000 and too old |
| 07:18.18 | HalNineThousand | But if ssh has an authentication problem, it says so, it doesn't just sit there and time out. |
| 07:18.31 | burnt-toast | thats in dmesg or syslog output? |
| 07:18.35 | ltx | so i'm sort of out of ideas, any thoughts? |
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| 07:19.36 | HalNineThousand | When I ssh to a host that's new, it tells me it's not sure who it is, and generates a key for known hosts. After that, if the host changes, it gives me a long message about the changed host. In this case, it jsut times out. |
| 07:19.40 | shaym | burnt-toast: yes |
| 07:19.56 | burnt-toast | hmm ok |
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| 07:20.17 | peterS | HalNineThousand: it doesn't "generate" one, it sucks down the key from the remote machine and stores it |
| 07:20.24 | abrocadabro | ltx:what's the problem? |
| 07:20.42 | ltx | well, i compiled both the 2.6.9 and .10 kernels |
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| 07:21.11 | ltx | and upon boot, i get this error "UDF-fs: No VRS found." /n "Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown - block(22,2)" |
| 07:21.13 | HalNineThousand | peterS: Okay, my bad. |
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| 07:21.31 | abrocadabro | ltx:mkinitrd -o |
| 07:21.44 | peterS | ltx: you don't have the right filesystem compiled into your kernel, methinks, for mounting your root filesystem |
| 07:21.45 | jair_11 | is this ok guys: root do not have permit to execute this files? -rw-r----- 1 root root 0 Feb 25 01:19 lock |
| 07:21.47 | abrocadabro | ltx: just try making a initrd image |
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| 07:22.05 | HalNineThousand | For now, I've altered the hosts.allow fileto allow all hosts, but it still won't connect. I'm wondering what could stop it from connecting. |
| 07:22.31 | ltx | ok, mkinitrd -o inside the kernel-source directory after configuring it? |
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| 07:23.01 | ltx | sorry, i'm a bit new to linux |
| 07:23.02 | abrocadabro | ltx:mkinitrd -o 2.6.9 /boot/2.6.9.img |
| 07:23.10 | MobyTurbo | !ops SoS is a porn spambot |
| 07:23.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS is a porn spambot |
| 07:23.16 | ltx | ok, i'll give that a try |
| 07:23.33 | abrocadabro | ltx: 2.6.9 is the kernel version, and what's after is the path for your image |
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| 07:23.54 | nvz | ah the porn bot is back |
| 07:23.56 | ltx | ok, i get it |
| 07:23.57 | abrocadabro | ltx: you need to change grub to point to the image at boot |
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| 07:24.12 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 07:24.13 | ltx | should i update-grub or manually edit /boot/grub/menu.1st? |
| 07:24.15 | dondelelcaro | MobyTurbo: np |
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| 07:24.25 | jm_ | it's not menu.1st, it's menu.lst |
| 07:24.29 | abrocadabro | ltx: edit it |
| 07:24.37 | ltx | sorry, typo, ok |
| 07:24.50 | jm_ | sounds more like a shitty font than a typo to me ;) |
| 07:25.13 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs #296539 |
| 07:25.18 | dpkg | DONE:#296539:S[xserver-xfree86] xserver-xfree86: Needing too much space to upgrade |
| 07:25.21 | ltx | hah, probably true, but font's are the least of my troubles atm |
| 07:26.49 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 07:26.52 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; and ask for an operator |
| 07:26.53 | ltx | sorry, one more newb question...i'm just going to start all over and build another kernel, i've heard modules are always better than building into the kernel, but is there ever a reason to build something into the kernel? - when i can do module or built in? |
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| 07:27.16 | dondelelcaro | diff: X has been fixed with a binary NMU, public service announcement about +E and spambots |
| 07:27.18 | nvz | ltx: yeah if its critical to system startup |
| 07:27.26 | nvz | ltx: ide, scsi, rootfs..etc |
| 07:27.35 | ltx | ok, filesystems too? |
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| 07:27.53 | nvz | ltx: anything the system needs at boot, anything it doesnt can be a module |
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| 07:28.27 | nvz | ltx: it needs to be able to read its root filesystem, this means an IDE or SCSI driver and a filesystem driver |
| 07:28.54 | nvz | ltx: other things like RTC and such you might want to build in |
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| 07:29.06 | ltx | ok, is there any way to determine my IDE chipset make if its onboard? |
| 07:29.21 | nvz | ltx: lspci |
| 07:29.21 | burnt-toast | ltx lspci maybe |
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| 07:29.45 | nvz | ltx: or dmesg |
| 07:30.08 | nvz | ltx: /var/log/dmesg, and lspci output are very important info when compiling a kernel |
| 07:30.08 | ltx | lcpci worked, thanks |
| 07:30.27 | nvz | ltx: dmesg will show you all the messages from the currently running kernel |
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| 07:30.49 | ltx | ok, i'll look at that now before i start configuring |
| 07:31.16 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it's ok |
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| 07:31.23 | peterS | (: |
| 07:31.37 | nvz | gah my keys dont repeat in here anymore |
| 07:31.42 | nvz | thats annoyin |
| 07:32.03 | Kris | I have a box that got rooted, someone ran a root kit on it.. and while I understand its game over for this box Im in the middle of moving and its going to be at least 3 days before i can devote time to rebuilding it from the ground up. We are having problems replacing the compromised binaries in /usr/bin /usr/sbin .. does anyone know what could prevent us from overwriting these? |
| 07:32.09 | nvz | I cannot just hold in backspace and delete, I have to press it over and over |
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| 07:32.38 | peterS | nvz: true of all keys or just backspace / delete? |
| 07:32.52 | asuffield | Kris: the fact that it's been rooted. switch that box off and leave it off |
| 07:32.54 | nvz | peterS: I tried space, it doesnt either |
| 07:32.58 | peterS | Kris: probably a kernel module watching over them |
| 07:33.01 | nvz | peterS: letters seem the same |
| 07:33.23 | asuffield | Kris: you have just aptly demonstrated *why* the box is now dead; clearly the rootkit author was smarter than you |
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| 07:33.54 | Kris | peterS not a kernel module.. we copied over a precompiled kernel from a similar uncompromised box and there are no kernel modules loaded |
| 07:34.13 | peterS | Kris: did you boot from trusted media? |
| 07:34.17 | peterS | like a CD |
| 07:34.20 | burnt-toast | ok whatever is going on out there on port 2426 cant be good.. i have tons of machines attacking my router / firewall of all different ips and networks :-/ |
| 07:34.36 | asuffield | peterS: hell, even that's not really safe |
| 07:34.49 | Kris | PeterS its in a colo so no chance to anything other than a clean kernel |
| 07:35.04 | SmokinPuppy | Hi, everyone. Is there an optional package that I should install to get a desktop up and running? |
| 07:35.19 | peterS | Kris: the act of copying the kernel into place or telling the boot loader to use it as a default are both possible to hijack once a machine is 0wned |
| 07:35.24 | asuffield | Kris: unsurprisingly, the rootkit author thought of that. your box is still rooted. your box will remain rooted until you scrub it and start over |
| 07:35.27 | burnt-toast | apt-get install linux... wouldnt that be nice :-) |
| 07:35.42 | ltx | also, sorry, but i've read two ways of compiling the kernel, just a plain make, and a make dpkg, which is better? |
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| 07:35.56 | asuffield | now turn the damn thing off before it sends more spam |
| 07:35.56 | peterS | ltx: make-kpkg from the kernel-package package |
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| 07:36.21 | nvz | more spam! |
| 07:36.22 | ltx | ok, i've got kernel-package installed |
| 07:36.23 | dobby_ | hello what is the best way to send mails on a internal lan? Is a mailserver needed? Or can i use somthing like a null mailer? |
| 07:36.23 | ltx | will do |
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| 07:36.35 | Kris | assuffield like i said im very aware of this ...im in the middle of moving so im doing a triage |
| 07:36.52 | asuffield | Kris: no, you're being a liability to the internet as a whole. stop being a jerk and turn that damn box off |
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| 07:39.43 | Kris | the box is going down tommorow am as soon as i can get in the colo |
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| 07:39.48 | Mojo_Jojo | question: what are good FTP server programs for linux? |
| 07:39.57 | peterS | Mojo_Jojo: vsftpd |
| 07:40.05 | asuffield | Kris: so that's approximately ten million spams sent, or ten thousand windows boxes infected by worms, directly your fault |
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| 07:40.35 | asuffield | (not even counting knock-on effects from the worms) |
| 07:40.55 | burnt-toast | roflmao your boxes arent by chance sending out crap on port 2426 are they? |
| 07:41.27 | kevinz | what packages to install latex/tex on sarge |
| 07:41.45 | Mojo_Jojo | are there GUI ftp server programs? |
| 07:41.45 | peterS | kevinz: tetex-bin |
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| 07:42.00 | peterS | Mojo_Jojo: a server program doesn't need a GUI. what would you use a GUI for? just configuring it? |
| 07:42.39 | Mojo_Jojo | and I dont like creating a new user |
| 07:42.43 | burnt-toast | vsftp uses web page for configuration doesntit? |
| 07:42.58 | burnt-toast | uh oh |
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| 07:43.05 | burnt-toast | is xserver -12 still broken? |
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| 07:44.19 | drac | burnt-toast: what do you mean broken? BTS |
| 07:44.36 | burnt-toast | hmm was hearing yesterday that the -12 version was having some problems |
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| 07:44.54 | burnt-toast | i didnt get any specific information |
| 07:45.04 | burnt-toast | just over heard that some ppl were having problems with it |
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| 07:45.16 | peterS | burnt-toast: it's been fixed. whether the fixed version has hit unstable yet, I really don't know |
| 07:45.35 | burnt-toast | then ill wait lol |
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| 07:47.13 | peterS | burnt-toast: it's in unstable |
| 07:47.23 | burnt-toast | is it? ok cool |
| 07:47.26 | peterS | burnt-toast: you can verify for yourself that -12 is no longer the latest version |
| 07:47.32 | peterS | burnt-toast: joshk uploaded -12.0.1 |
| 07:48.15 | burnt-toast | peterS: this is the version i just apt-get upgraded and downloaded.. (not installed yet) |
| 07:48.19 | burnt-toast | xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 |
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| 07:48.39 | helix | jeez, SoS keeps coming back |
| 07:48.40 | peterS | burnt-toast: -12.0.1 is the fixed one. -12 isn't actually *broken*, it just happens to be huge. or so I'm told |
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| 07:49.23 | burnt-toast | oh lol |
| 07:49.25 | burnt-toast | 100mb |
| 07:49.37 | burnt-toast | for just xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-12 and the dri package |
| 07:49.48 | directhex | debian in large xfree package shocker! |
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| 07:50.17 | lnx | hi |
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| 07:52.14 | lnx | http://paste.msunix.org/view.php?id=1870 <-- please tell me whats wrong with it. |
| 07:52.16 | Sunblade | shingouz: awake ? |
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| 07:52.32 | burnt-toast | Time: Feb 25 01:48:35 Source: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Destination: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx In IF: eth0 Out IF: Port: 2426 Length: 48 ToS: 0x00 Protocol: TCP Service: Unknown |
| 07:52.49 | burnt-toast | im registering more than 200/s of that crap |
| 07:52.55 | burnt-toast | any ideas? |
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| 07:54.43 | Koffa | I'm trying to setup a software raid - I've created raid autodetect-partitions on 2 disks and configured them as one md-device (raid1) - when I create one (1) normal partition in that device, the rest shows up as 'unusable' |
| 07:54.59 | Koffa | do I really have to make a separate md-device for all partitions or am I missing something? |
| 07:55.03 | Koffa | using sarge-installer |
| 07:55.46 | directhex | you usually combine md and lvm |
| 07:55.58 | Koffa | :/ |
| 07:56.03 | tomb0y | why would you do a raid on a raid ? |
| 07:56.13 | Koffa | what? |
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| 07:56.31 | sword | hey hows it going |
| 07:56.41 | sword | is there a way to get back to your x session from a terminal? |
| 07:56.56 | sword | i pressed control + alt + f1 to drop into a terminal |
| 07:56.57 | burnt-toast | ctrl-alt-f7 normally |
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| 07:57.25 | Koffa | alt-f7 should suffice since in terminal :) |
| 07:57.36 | keta | good morning folks |
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| 07:57.51 | Koffa | directhex: so lvm is the way to go if I don't want billions of raid-devs? |
| 07:58.15 | burnt-toast | zzz |
| 07:58.17 | Koffa | any restrictions on using lvm for whole disk? |
| 07:58.19 | burnt-toast | ok going to bed now |
| 07:58.24 | burnt-toast | gnight all |
| 07:58.29 | burnt-toast | ty to those who helped me |
| 07:58.50 | directhex | Koffa, i'd keep /boot someplace safe |
| 07:59.16 | Koffa | I have /boot on a normal partition yes |
| 07:59.51 | Koffa | it's something I can dd/cp around if needed, doesn't change that often |
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| 08:00.06 | Nick0r | hi how can I diagnose why bbc.co.uk is resolving to my local ip!? |
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| 08:00.36 | idimmu | look in /etc/hosts ? |
| 08:00.37 | MoneyCat | How come debian doesnt have service command to turn things off/on |
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| 08:00.43 | keta | Koffa: lvm should work fine, but I don't know if with lvm2 is yet possible to have a root fs on it |
| 08:00.47 | jm_ | MoneyCat: man invoke-rc.d |
| 08:00.50 | idimmu | MoneyCat they are in /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:01.03 | idimmu | e.g. /etc/init.d/apache start|restart|stop |
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| 08:01.48 | Moemar | can anybody help me set up my sound |
| 08:01.53 | Moemar | i get the error |
| 08:01.59 | Nick0r | etc/hosts doesn't have much |
| 08:02.03 | Moemar | no pcm device |
| 08:02.22 | Moemar | ** WARNING **: alsa_setup_mixer(): Failed to find mixer element: PCM |
| 08:02.34 | MoneyCat | I thought run level 3 was non-gui multi-user? Yet debian boots to fluxbox. |
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| 08:04.05 | keta | MoneyCat: turn off the desktop manager at boot time, man update-rc.d |
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| 08:04.31 | suncomet | how do i set console resolution, if i now try to do e.g. alt+ctrl+f2 my monitor says "out of range" |
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| 08:04.42 | jayDEEEEEzntz | hi |
| 08:04.55 | optimistic | Hey all, I'm trying to get a SCSI card working on my Debian box, but when I put it in and boot up it eventually just says "scsi1: Someone reset channel A." over and over again. Any ideas? |
| 08:05.37 | jayDEEEEEzntz | anyone have experience doing a net install with an old laptop |
| 08:06.22 | sussudio | !rube goldberg install |
| 08:06.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 08:07.46 | keta | sussudio: it's like a badger install |
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| 08:07.55 | sussudio | nein |
| 08:08.17 | optimistic | dpkg: could you maybe hook a modem up to the usb and go from there? |
| 08:08.18 | dpkg | optimistic: i don't know |
| 08:08.26 | soren9580 | do you think it's appropriate for people new to Unix to be using debian? |
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| 08:08.40 | Moemar | where would i change the sound card i have configured to soundcard 1 to soundcard 0 |
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| 08:08.45 | keta | sussudio: yes, badger has only a woodchuck to chuck wood but it doesn't actually chuck wood |
| 08:08.54 | soren9580 | by which i mean, i'm starting a program at my school to loan unix machines to students |
| 08:08.55 | zinx | soren9580: what do they want to do with "unix"? |
| 08:09.08 | soren9580 | word processing, internet access, email |
| 08:09.13 | optimistic | dpkg: you can buy usb network hubs for ethernet and the like, you might infest in one of those. |
| 08:09.13 | dpkg | optimistic: You are moron #38 |
| 08:09.15 | soren9580 | Instant Messaging |
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| 08:09.17 | zinx | soren9580: sure, assuming it's set up correctly |
| 08:09.19 | sussudio | soren9580: ubuntu is not debian |
| 08:09.30 | optimistic | why am I a moron? |
| 08:09.39 | kneet | 'cos you're talking to the bot |
| 08:09.42 | soren9580 | no i know that |
| 08:09.52 | soren9580 | but where did i mention ubuntu? |
| 08:09.53 | Nick0r | somethings wrong |
| 08:09.57 | Nick0r | I added something to /etc/hosts |
| 08:10.01 | Nick0r | but it's failing to resolve to that IP |
| 08:11.04 | keta | optimistic: because you are not talking with a real person |
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| 08:11.45 | optimistic | Got it--I was wondering how they were typing my name so quickly. How can you tell if a user is a bot? |
| 08:11.51 | jayDEEEEEzntz | anyone know anything about floppy boots and network installs? |
| 08:11.58 | jayDEEEEEzntz | feel like helping? |
| 08:11.59 | peterS | optimistic: you mainly just have to already know |
| 08:12.07 | peterS | optimistic: or observe its behavior and recognise bot-like stuff |
| 08:12.17 | soren9580 | so would ubuntu be better to use than debian? |
| 08:12.37 | optimistic | Am I a real person? |
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| 08:12.57 | peterS | optimistic: bots don't question their own existence, so probably yes |
| 08:13.12 | optimistic | Perhaphs I've passed the Turing test. |
| 08:13.20 | peterS | optimistic: if so, I'll accept you as a person |
| 08:13.28 | kneet | I wouldn't say the bots here could pass the turing test |
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| 08:13.34 | peterS | no, they really couldn't |
| 08:13.38 | keta | optimistic: yes, I think you are, but dpkg isn't |
| 08:14.02 | keta | optimistic: but if you used it to talk to yourself, then it should be ok |
| 08:14.10 | optimistic | Fair enough. |
| 08:15.15 | optimistic | So, anyway, any tips on getting a scsi card to work? |
| 08:15.54 | keta | load the module in kernel |
| 08:15.57 | keta | pay me |
| 08:16.13 | keta | or love you monkey |
| 08:16.30 | keta | your |
| 08:17.20 | optimistic | Shouldn't modules get loaded automatically? |
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| 08:17.56 | keta | after you say them to be loaded at boot, for sure |
| 08:18.32 | keta | man, modconf is your friend |
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| 08:19.14 | optimistic | modconf doesn't do me any good if I can't boot due to the loop I get caught in. |
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| 08:24.14 | dondelelcaro | kneet: ask dpkg about nodm |
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| 08:25.40 | kneet | dondelelcaro, was after the link to the tcl/tk shutdown buttons for xdm rather than removing it totally :-) |
| 08:25.52 | dondelelcaro | kneet: ah |
| 08:26.13 | kneet | Found several - all reference a file I haven't got (Xsetup) - poss I just need to create it - am in the man pages now :-) |
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| 08:27.28 | try_catch_this | since when did firefox start allowing popups? |
| 08:27.31 | try_catch_this | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/index2.shtml |
| 08:27.35 | try_catch_this | popup |
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| 08:28.28 | Koffa | directhex: you know any good md+lvm tuts?-) |
| 08:28.28 | omry_ | try_catch_this, its not a popup. its dhtml or something. try to move the "window" and see |
| 08:28.53 | try_catch_this | well pop-under |
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| 08:29.14 | try_catch_this | firefox is still supposed to block those |
| 08:29.22 | Koffa | try adblock |
| 08:29.30 | Koffa | there are ways of getting around the built-in popup-blocker |
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| 08:30.11 | rincevent | hello |
| 08:30.17 | Koffa | adblock makes life much easier :) |
| 08:30.32 | omry_ | try_catch_this, thats a new thing, I never seen this popup style. |
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| 08:30.48 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 08:30.58 | trueno | Is anyone having problems with the ownership of /var/log/exim/{mainlog,paniclog}? |
| 08:31.01 | try_catch_this | I hear a java script writes a java script that gets executed |
| 08:31.11 | try_catch_this | post it on slashdot or something |
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| 08:31.50 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 08:31.50 | dpkg | Yes, dondelelcaro, you're still online. |
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| 08:40.30 | ritura1 | is there a bug fix in sarge for the perl vunerability http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type=security&ID=3204 |
| 08:40.39 | ritura1 | http://www.mail-archive.com/full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com/msg28346.html |
| 08:41.23 | jm_ | Sarge doesn't have security updates |
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| 08:41.32 | peterS | ritura1: why don't you check http://security.debian.org/ ? |
| 08:41.36 | trueno | Is anyone having problems with the ownership of /var/log/exim/{mainlog,paniclog}? Somehow they are changed from being owned by mail to root making it impossible for exim to deliver and handle email. Any clue? |
| 08:42.25 | SmokinPuppy | which display manager works the best on Pentium 4s? |
| 08:42.27 | jm_ | trueno: logrotation issue maybe? |
| 08:42.46 | SmokinPuppy | GDM or KDM |
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| 08:43.39 | jm_ | trueno: then again, /var/log/exim has setgid bit for group, and is owned by user mail |
| 08:43.45 | ritura1 | my sarge box is cracked by someone |
| 08:43.54 | ritura1 | using that perl vulnerability |
| 08:44.32 | ritura1 | hi Raghu |
| 08:44.36 | ritura1 | where r u from |
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| 08:46.52 | michal_ | how could i rename a directory full of blah.UPDcheckfail files back to blah ? |
| 08:47.09 | SmokinPuppy | is nVIDIA = nv in the debian installation? |
| 08:47.35 | jm_ | you can't rename multiple files to the same filename, or you'll lose all but last one |
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| 08:48.09 | ircdevil | is it possible to pop a yahoo mail account? |
| 08:48.13 | SmokinPuppy | I have a NVIDIA® GeForce4™ FX Go 5600 64 MB video DDR SGRAM do I want to select nv as my X server driver? |
| 08:48.24 | michal_ | each blah is unique |
| 08:48.26 | sussudio | in soviet russia, yahoo mail account pops you |
| 08:48.29 | ApEtc | ircdevil: I think only with their paid service |
| 08:48.36 | jm_ | ircdevil: no, but there's fetchyahoo (it's doable with yahoo business account I think) |
| 08:48.41 | jm_ | then use rename or mmv |
| 08:48.42 | michal_ | otherwise how would there be a directory full of them? |
| 08:48.45 | idimmu | SmokinPuppy go to nvidia.com and get their linux binary driver for your version of X |
| 08:48.54 | idimmu | i think it uises the name nvidia |
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| 08:49.17 | SmokinPuppy | so for now to get through the install what should I pick? |
| 08:49.40 | SmokinPuppy | vga? |
| 08:49.46 | michal_ | i have no mmv on that system :/ |
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| 08:50.00 | idimmu | nv might/should work on SmokinPuppy |
| 08:50.00 | michal_ | rename is there though |
| 08:50.04 | idimmu | in that case |
| 08:50.12 | SmokinPuppy | cool |
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| 08:50.46 | michal_ | the man page for rename is extremely terse |
| 08:50.49 | SmokinPuppy | should my kernel use a framebuffer device interface? |
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| 08:50.59 | michal_ | rename *.UPDcheckfail * ? |
| 08:51.04 | trueno | jm_ : -rw-r----- 1 mail adm 811 Feb 25 09:23 mainlog -> This is correct |
| 08:51.22 | michal_ | rename .UPDcheckfail * i meant? |
| 08:51.24 | jm_ | trueno: yes |
| 08:51.25 | trueno | jm_ : -rw------- 1 root adm 811 Feb 25 09:23 mainlog -> This is how it gets changed |
| 08:51.43 | jm_ | trueno: did you check permissions on the dir itself? |
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| 08:52.23 | trueno | jm_ : I guess they are right: drwxr-s--- 2 mail adm 4096 Feb 25 09:02 exim |
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| 08:54.05 | jm_ | trueno: that looks correct |
| 08:54.53 | jm_ | trueno: add debugging to /etc/cron.daily/exim |
| 08:55.05 | dobby_ | hello, what is the best way to send mail on a internal lan. I wan't just that i can send a mail from one internal pc on a lan to a nother not to the internet! What mailserver is the best for it? |
| 08:55.18 | michal_ | rename can't do what I'm after |
| 08:55.25 | jm_ | yes it can |
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| 08:55.48 | michal_ | how? the documentation and experimentation have all led me to believe that it can't |
| 08:56.37 | jm_ | use rename -n and play with it untiul you get it right - it's just a matter of using the right perl operation (s/// most likely in your case) |
| 08:56.39 | schuler | the best MTA is postfix |
| 08:57.02 | michal_ | what's the -n option? it's not in the manpage |
| 08:57.03 | schuler | it's easy to configure |
| 08:57.08 | jm_ | yes it is |
| 08:57.18 | trueno | jm_ yes, it must be something related to logrotate... How can I add debugging to /etc/cron.daily/exim? |
| 08:57.22 | michal_ | not on the system the files are on |
| 08:57.38 | jm_ | trueno: I would add ls -l /var/log/exim before it rotates the log or somesuch |
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| 08:57.51 | jm_ | -n = no-act |
| 08:57.56 | jm_ | trueno: and after |
| 08:58.07 | dobby_ | postfix, is it easy to configure? |
| 08:58.09 | michal_ | rename -n |
| 08:58.09 | michal_ | call: rename from to files... |
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| 08:59.02 | Glitch_Master | mount insists that /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 do not exist. However, in fstab: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:59.45 | trueno | Glitch_Master: Have you checked the dirs actually exist? |
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| 09:00.15 | schuler | dobby: it's the easiest MTA in *nix |
| 09:00.16 | Glitch_Master | trueno, would this be in /dev/? I honestly am confused as to where the location of the drive mount dir thingies are. |
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| 09:01.09 | trueno | jm_ Don't want to bother you, but why would the ls prevent mainlog,... from being owned by root? |
| 09:01.24 | trueno | Glitch_Master: ls /media/cdrom0 |
| 09:01.26 | trueno | Glitch_Master: ls /media/cdrom1 |
| 09:01.51 | Glitch_Master | trueno: ls: /media/cdrom0: No such file or directory |
| 09:02.04 | trueno | Glitch_Master: Then youve got it :-) |
| 09:02.07 | Glitch_Master | And, in fact, they don't exist. |
| 09:02.24 | Glitch_Master | trueno, what is the location of the ACTUAL drive? |
| 09:02.26 | schuler | perhaps /mnt/cdrom0 |
| 09:02.47 | schuler | perhaps you must mkdir -p /mnt/cdrom{0,1} |
| 09:02.47 | trueno | Glitch_Master: The device: /dev/hdc |
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| 09:03.19 | Glitch_Master | trueno: According to this line, does /dev/hdc not point to /media/cdrom0 for some reason?: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:03.22 | trueno | Glitch_Master: The mount point (desired, still not created): /media/cdrom0 |
| 09:03.27 | R1ck | is there a .deb for postgresql replication? |
| 09:03.39 | Glitch_Master | trueno: The thing is, I didn't write those lines. |
| 09:03.46 | Glitch_Master | The ones in fstab. |
| 09:04.04 | trueno | Glitch_Master: Where do you want to mount your cdrom? |
| 09:04.44 | Glitch_Master | trueno: I just want to mount it and access it... |
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| 09:04.54 | Glitch_Master | trueno: Why am I unable to do that right now? |
| 09:05.00 | michal_ | might for file in `ls`; do mv $file `basename $file .UPDcheckfail `; done work? |
| 09:05.02 | Glitch_Master | That's all I want to know. |
| 09:05.08 | schuler | in debian /cdrom is a usual mountpoint |
| 09:05.12 | peterS | michal_: for file in `ls` is a lot like for file in * |
| 09:05.44 | Glitch_Master | Isn't there a DIRECT mountpoint that's ALWAYS there?! |
| 09:05.45 | michal_ | ahh.. didn't know i could do that.. thanks |
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| 09:05.51 | michal_ | but is it correct? |
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| 09:05.59 | trueno | Glitch_Master: ok, as root write: mkdir /media/cdrom0 |
| 09:06.23 | Koffa | anyone know any good raid+lvm -tutorials for sarge installer? the installers guide doesn't seem to talk much about them |
| 09:06.32 | trueno | Glitch_Master: Then as a user write: mount /media/cdrom0 |
| 09:06.43 | peterS | michal_: best bet would be: rename 's/.UPDcheckfail//' * |
| 09:06.49 | Glitch_Master | ......Wait... OH! Now I get it... Linux mounts the drive to a temporary directory... I now understand mounting. I thought it read directly from the device each time like Windows would. This is a lot better. I have it entirely figured out. |
| 09:06.52 | peterS | michal_: 'rename' comes with, and is written in, perl |
| 09:06.53 | schuler | Glitch_Master: sure /cdrom in Woody |
| 09:07.05 | Glitch_Master | No more help needed. I was just confused. |
| 09:07.08 | Glitch_Master | Thank you. |
| 09:07.14 | michal_ | peters: i don't trust this version of rename to be capable of that |
| 09:07.18 | trueno | ok |
| 09:08.13 | peterS | michal_: suit yourself. to guard against files with spaces and other weird characters, use lots of quotes: for file in *; do mv "$file" "$(basename "$file" .UPDcheckfail)"; done |
| 09:08.32 | peterS | and yes, you can nest double quotes when you have $() in between |
| 09:08.38 | michal_ | peters: i'm not suiting myself :/ I'm suiting this particular rename |
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| 09:09.17 | michal_ | ok.. so i was basically right except for handling spaces |
| 09:09.40 | peterS | michal_: yeah. but /usr/bin/rename is less than 40 lines of perl, should be easy to figure out whether it does what you want |
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| 09:10.10 | michal_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:10.28 | peterS | michal_: oh, weird. is that woody? |
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| 09:11.14 | michal_ | no. it's not even debian. i'm trying to build updated redhat9 cd's and am doing it remotely on a redhat9 system. unfortunately i need to install redhat9 on a server tommorow :( |
| 09:11.25 | michal_ | still.. currently the server has redhat7.1 |
| 09:11.35 | peterS | michal_: oh. well. should have mentioned that you were asking a non-debian question here (: |
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| 09:13.32 | michal_ | building updated redhat9 cd's can lead to suicide :/ i'd find it preferable to pull all my teeth out |
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| 09:16.52 | idimmu | how can i completly remove a package and all of the config files associated with it? |
| 09:17.09 | peterS | idimmu: apt-get remove --purge |
| 09:17.10 | Kvant | idimmu, apt-get remove --purge pkg |
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| 09:17.40 | idimmu | you're wonderful wonderful people and i'd feel comfortable having you babysit my children |
| 09:17.41 | idimmu | thanks |
| 09:18.54 | idimmu | will that purge all their dependancies too? |
| 09:18.59 | R1ck | is there a .deb for postgresql replication? |
| 09:19.15 | peterS | idimmu: yes, it should |
| 09:19.19 | idimmu | sweet |
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| 09:19.48 | peterS | idimmu: well, reverse dependencies. if A depends on B and you purge B, it will have to get rid of A |
| 09:19.49 | keko_ | hi, i have debian installed in my debian server. And i have in that 2 netword card, eth0 is in internet by isp dhcp server, i want my want configure my eth1 to share local ips.. how i can make that |
| 09:19.52 | peterS | idimmu: but not vice versa |
| 09:20.26 | dondelelcaro | keko_: so assign eth1 and eth1:0 |
| 09:20.44 | keko_ | dondelelcaro: how |
| 09:20.59 | dondelelcaro | keko_: add a stanza for eth1:0 in your /etc/network/interfaces file; man 5 interfaces; |
| 09:21.19 | dondelelcaro | keko_: you may also need to make sure you have the proper kernel module to do interface aliasing loaded |
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| 09:22.47 | ciga | hi |
| 09:22.52 | keko_ | dondelelcaro: im now i that interfaces vi.. i just must insert in eth01: ? |
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| 09:23.13 | ciga | I want to have a list from my mysql table. is there a oneliner for that? |
| 09:23.32 | R1ck | yeah, /join #mysql |
| 09:23.37 | keko_ | ciga phpmyadmin |
| 09:23.37 | dondelelcaro | keko_: you need to insert an appropriate stanza. man 5 interfaces; to see an example, or copy what you've got from eth1 except for the gateway line (if there is one) |
| 09:24.05 | keko_ | dondelelcaro: okey i check the man page, thnx |
| 09:24.35 | SkippedySkop | hey guys, does quota, calculate the quota by calculating the size of all files owned by that user? |
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| 09:25.09 | ciga | keko_: I know phpmyadmin, but I won't be able to run in cron and send email about the users |
| 09:25.40 | dondelelcaro | ciga: just write a mysql oneliner. It's trivial, assuming you have a clue how to write SQL |
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| 09:26.28 | ciga | dondelelcaro: I have the query, I dunno how to run it as a oneliner. |
| 09:26.32 | SkippedySkop | ciga: use database; select * from table; |
| 09:26.41 | dondelelcaro | ciga: man mysql; and read about the -e option |
| 09:27.17 | dondelelcaro | ala mysql -ufoo -pbar -e 'select foo from bar where bleh="blah" limit 5000;' |
| 09:27.34 | dondelelcaro | (with a db in there somewhere, obviously) |
| 09:27.48 | dondelelcaro | but ask #mysql |
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| 09:28.03 | R1ck | ciga: mysql -e 'expression' |
| 09:28.04 | raf256 | is there a way in mozilla thunderbird to have taskbar notification of incomming email, in linux (kde/debian) version? |
| 09:28.06 | ciga | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.09 | ciga | got it. |
| 09:28.16 | ciga | thank you, dondelelcaro |
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| 09:29.26 | zap-clone | hello |
| 09:29.33 | R1ck | oi |
| 09:30.02 | zap-clone | This is more general then only for debian, but I'm using deb therefore I'll try here: |
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| 09:35.42 | jm_ | trueno: it won't prevent it, it will show you which command causes it, then you can try to debug that command |
| 09:35.51 | rimo | I got a MS WheelMouse Optical.Which mouse protocol at best should I choose? |
| 09:36.51 | jm_ | rimo: for what? |
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| 09:38.00 | warty | fuck |
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| 09:39.11 | rimo | jm_, I chose the ImPS/2 and it worked. But is this the most fit for it? |
| 09:39.24 | edon | does debian support parallel init scripts? |
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| 09:40.08 | jm_ | rimo: yes, for X anyway |
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| 09:40.45 | strk | do you know why gcc-3.4 doesn't get symlinked to /etc/alternatives ? |
| 09:41.07 | rimo | jm_: What about ExplorerPS/2 protocol? |
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| 09:41.18 | strk | I've dropped older gcc and now I don't have 'gcc' , just 'gcc-3.4'. is this an intended behaviour ? |
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| 09:41.46 | jm_ | rimo: /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz |
| 09:41.50 | jotham | is there any way to adjust the blink rate of the cursor in textmode? |
| 09:42.05 | jm_ | rimo: wait, are you using 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:42.12 | rimo | jm_: Yes |
| 09:42.38 | comm | anyone know the typerate command for xinitrc? |
| 09:42.51 | jm_ | rimo: then use ExplorerPS/2 as that's what 2.6 uses for all mice |
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| 09:43.31 | rimo | jm_: Thanks. then I will check the README. |
| 09:43.57 | jotham | whoa |
| 09:43.58 | jm_ | rimo: no need to |
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| 09:45.10 | rimo | jm_: BTW, my gnome-terminal often crashed these days. no sure what caused it? |
| 09:46.06 | jm_ | rimo: I don't use GNOME or gnome-terminal, sorry - try starting it from say xterm, set limit for core files so that it will write core file, then start gnome-terminal from this xterm and see if it writes some sueful messages; checking BTS is also a good idea |
| 09:46.34 | jm_ | useful even |
| 09:46.58 | rimo | jm_: BTS? what's that? |
| 09:47.06 | jm_ | rimo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 09:48.01 | rimo | jm_: what's that for? |
| 09:48.14 | jm_ | rimo: did you read what dpkg has told you? |
| 09:49.13 | rimo | jm_: You want me check the dpkg document? |
| 09:49.33 | PerfDave | raf256: I think there is an extension for Thunderbird to give taskbar notification, but I don't use it so I couldn't say for sure. |
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| 09:49.41 | jm_ | rimo: no, type "/msg dpkg bts" in your IRC client |
| 09:50.12 | PerfDave | !msgbts |
| 09:50.17 | rimo | jm_: I got it. :-) |
| 09:50.23 | PerfDave | !msgdpkg |
| 09:50.24 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. Make sure you don't leave a space between the start of ... |
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| 09:53.55 | rimo | jm_: BTW, in Xchat when I input part of your irc name and then hit the TAB, "jw_, " displays, how can I display "jw_: " automaticly? |
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| 09:54.33 | kneet | rimo, preferences, input box |
| 09:54.48 | jm_ | rimo: I doubt it says jw_, must be jm_ :) |
| 09:55.08 | guk | How do I change my mouse pointer ? |
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| 09:55.26 | MobyTurbo | jm_: maybe he's using the upside-down second-letter option |
| 09:55.38 | jm_ | guk: I think you add the files to ~/.icons - you can find the docs with google |
| 09:55.40 | jm_ | MobyTurbo: hehe |
| 09:56.08 | rimo | kneet: Succeed : ) |
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| 09:59.39 | comm | I want to be able to use the windows key on my keyboard, if I specify pc104 in XF86config will that recognize it? |
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| 10:00.30 | [Granger] | comm: do you have a wireless keyboard? |
| 10:01.07 | MobyTurbo | comm: that will make the windows keys available, but there's no gaurantee that most apps will notice it. |
| 10:01.28 | MobyTurbo | comm: IIRC the golem window manager uses them for something |
| 10:02.34 | comm | hrmm....thought so, im setting up a debian box beside me. I have fluxbox and using mod4 in the .fluxbox/keys file and it doesn't seem to be recognizing it.. |
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| 10:03.53 | kneet | Does udev support lvm2 (sid)? When I last tried it udev didn't create /dev/mapper (would drop udev now - but have too many usb things that keep turning up on random /dev/sd* places) |
| 10:05.49 | Koffa | hmm |
| 10:05.50 | Koffa | pain |
| 10:07.01 | Koffa | what's the correct order of doing things if I want to have 3 partitions raid1'd - I've understood I need LVM to do that without several independent raid-pairs, but do I first create one big VG, then 3 LV's and then do the raid-config or do it all in some other order? |
| 10:07.12 | Koffa | and is the sarge installer capable of doing this on it's own? |
| 10:07.37 | sanxiyn | "Frankly speaking, the most costly point of having many arches is that there are too often these useless discussions. _That_ is beyond all the most expansive of them." -- Andreas Barth |
| 10:08.19 | tct | would any one happen to know how to get a game you made onto a cell phone? :-) (the people in #java and #j2me are quiet) |
| 10:10.01 | omry_ | tct, your best shot is to try over the air installation : you need to enter the URL to the JAD file into the phone. its also possible via bluetooth, if your phone supports it. |
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| 10:10.31 | lappy | hi |
| 10:10.36 | tct | apache can do this |
| 10:10.43 | tct | or I need a special server? |
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| 10:10.53 | lappy | how do i check for security updates and install them |
| 10:11.11 | PerfDave | lappy: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 10:11.17 | lappy | sarge |
| 10:11.23 | PerfDave | lappy: Sarge has no security updates. |
| 10:11.38 | lappy | what about other kinds of updates? |
| 10:11.44 | PerfDave | lappy: The stable branch of Debian (currently Woody) is the only one that has security updates. |
| 10:11.51 | PerfDave | !faq lappy |
| 10:11.51 | dpkg | lappy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 10:14.54 | lappy | PerfDave, so how do ppl normally update the software in sarge? |
| 10:14.59 | superSSS | I am trying to install debian on a PA-RISC, when initializing linux partition as ext3 inode tables 26/31 inodes, then it hangs, what could be the error? Is it damaged HDD? |
| 10:15.00 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, supersss |
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| 10:15.42 | trogger | !ops KahiN is a spambot |
| 10:15.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KahiN is a spambot |
| 10:16.05 | PerfDave | lappy: Read the FAQ |
| 10:16.11 | sanxiyn | "This is the worst license I have seen in a long time. I can't bear to read this thing any longer; I feel a deep burning need to slay the author." -- debian-legal |
| 10:16.21 | ricky_clarkson | sanxiyn: wrt what licence? |
| 10:16.31 | trogger | sanxiyn: check that that isn't prohibited in the license, though... ;) |
| 10:16.33 | asuffield | that sounds like me |
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| 10:17.13 | sanxiyn | asuffield: Ah, yes. |
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| 10:17.57 | superSSS | I am trying to install debian on a PA-RISC, when initializing linux partition as ext3 inode tables writes 26/31 inodes, then it hangs, what could be the error? Is it damaged HDD? |
| 10:17.58 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, supersss |
| 10:18.12 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: http://spinroot.com/ license. |
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| 10:18.54 | sussudio | !tell superSSS about repeating |
| 10:19.10 | trogger | Has anyone here used Yahoo to purchase a domain? |
| 10:19.11 | sussudio | I am testing wether dpkg has gone bonkers |
| 10:19.26 | ricky_clarkson | Don't repeat |
| 10:19.27 | sussudio | hmm |
| 10:19.27 | ricky_clarkson | Don't repeat |
| 10:19.32 | Koffa | the new partitioner is s-l-o-w |
| 10:19.43 | sanxiyn | Don't repeat "Don't repeat"? |
| 10:19.49 | lappy | \part |
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| 10:20.00 | trogger | superSSS: does the light on the hard disk (if there is one) jam on, by any chance? |
| 10:20.02 | ricky_clarkson | I was wondering whether dpkg was detecting repeats. |
| 10:20.10 | peterS | sanxiyn: don't - repeat, don't - repeat. |
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| 10:22.10 | Koffa | hmm... ended up having /home bigger than the physical disk |
| 10:22.16 | Koffa | 'not like this' [tm] |
| 10:22.18 | ricky_clarkson | spinroot.com is sloooooow. |
| 10:23.23 | vchrizz | uhm, is it possible to see on which date linux/debian was installed? if yes, how? |
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| 10:23.44 | simonrvn | the blootbot cvs is strange. some stuff moved to per-channel settings... |
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| 10:23.50 | simonrvn | current cvs |
| 10:24.03 | trogger | vchrizz: you could look at the date on the kernel, if you compiled your own at the beginning? |
| 10:24.25 | easthero | dpkg, xorg |
| 10:24.25 | dpkg | xorg is probably xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 10:24.29 | simonrvn | sussudio: which would explain dpkg's (and other bots') sudden insanity |
| 10:24.32 | trogger | vchrizz: or if you created any other files / dirs that you know you haven't changed etc since then. |
| 10:24.33 | easthero | dpkg, wwsr |
| 10:24.33 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
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| 10:24.52 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 10:25.18 | vchrizz | trogger: uhm, its a box at work, im just interested when it was set up |
| 10:25.19 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 10:25.23 | ravenbird | simonrvn: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 10:25.23 | easthero | dpkg, get xorg |
| 10:25.24 | dpkg | somebody said get xorg was Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. No I don't notice any slowdown. You just need a good graphics card with OpenGL. |
| 10:25.29 | peterS | vchrizz: hmm. I thought 'dumpe2fs' would tell the creation time of an ext2/ext3 filesystem, but it seems I'm wrong about that |
| 10:25.34 | superSSS | trogger: there is no light on the hdd |
| 10:26.50 | trogger | would the first entry in the syslog (head /var/log/syslog) be the first date the system was booted? doesn't give the year, though. |
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| 10:27.17 | simonrvn | @chanset #debian FactoidsSearch 1 |
| 10:27.18 | ravenbird | Setting FactoidsSearch for #debian to '1'. |
| 10:27.19 | peterS | trogger: well, syslog is rotated periodically |
| 10:27.22 | simonrvn | @chanset #debian FactoidSearch 1 |
| 10:27.23 | ravenbird | Setting FactoidSearch for #debian to '1'. |
| 10:27.27 | trogger | peterS: yes. |
| 10:27.30 | simonrvn | @chanset #debian FactoidSearch 0 |
| 10:27.30 | ravenbird | Setting FactoidSearch for #debian to '0'; was '1'. |
| 10:27.33 | simonrvn | @chanset #debian FactoidSearch 1 |
| 10:27.34 | ravenbird | Setting FactoidSearch for #debian to '1'. |
| 10:27.36 | simonrvn | @chanset #debian FactoidsSearch 1 |
| 10:27.37 | ravenbird | setting FactoidsSearch for #debian already '1'. |
| 10:27.37 | trogger | the oldest syslog, then?? |
| 10:27.51 | vchrizz | peterS: well... ls -al /etc/debian_version could be correct, but that does only apply on debian ... how about other distros? |
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| 10:28.12 | easthero | dpkg, java |
| 10:28.12 | dpkg | hmm... java is a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and ... |
| 10:28.15 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Does that need to be done in-channel? |
| 10:28.22 | peterS | vchrizz: /etc/debian_version just gives the date the base-files package was last upgraded |
| 10:28.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:28.44 | easthero | dpkg, d-i |
| 10:28.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 10:28.47 | pngwn | easthero, /msg the bot |
| 10:28.50 | peterS | vchrizz: if you've upgraded from woody to sarge, base-files changed and debian_version in particular changed |
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| 10:29.20 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 10:29.28 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 10:29.38 | ravenbird | simonrvn: i haven't a clue |
| 10:29.42 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 10:29.58 | ricky_clarkson | @leave |
| 10:29.59 | superSSS | I am trying to install debian on a PA-RISC, when initializing linux partition as ext3 inode tables writes 26/31 inodes, then it hangs, what could be the error? Is it damaged HDD or problem with lifimage? |
| 10:30.00 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, supersss |
| 10:30.14 | vchrizz | peterS: well, ive updated about in january ... (from woody to sarge) -> |
| 10:30.16 | vchrizz | vchrizz@elenor:~$ ls -al /etc/debian_version |
| 10:30.17 | vchrizz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Jul 26 2004 /etc/debian_version |
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| 10:30.20 | superSSS | I had this error before on i386 |
| 10:30.24 | ricky_clarkson | I am testing dpkg |
| 10:30.32 | ricky_clarkson | install Debian |
| 10:30.38 | easthero | pngwn, thanks |
| 10:30.45 | easthero | pngwn, sorry |
| 10:30.46 | ricky_clarkson | What do you reckon dpkg is noticing in superSSS' text? |
| 10:30.55 | protoloc0 | Debian is MOre secure than Gentoo ? |
| 10:30.59 | peterS | vchrizz: right, /etc/debian_version was updated by the debian packagers back in July |
| 10:31.00 | protoloc0 | ups.. |
| 10:31.03 | trogger | ricky_clarkson: repetition? except a bizarre response if that is it. |
| 10:31.07 | simonrvn | !fuck ricky_clarkson |
| 10:31.10 | peterS | vchrizz: if you use 'ls -lc' you will see when *you* got it installed |
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| 10:35.37 | JosephSpiros | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.47 | JosephSpiros | whoops :) |
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| 10:39.00 | JYL57 | Is there a Perl IRC channel somewhere ?! |
| 10:39.07 | JosephSpiros | #perl |
| 10:39.14 | peterS | JYL57: yes, and it has a very unexpected name |
| 10:39.20 | peterS | as JosephSpiros says |
| 10:39.48 | JYL57 | Ok thanks ! |
| 10:40.07 | vchrizz | peterS: hum... |
| 10:40.09 | vchrizz | vchrizz@elenor:~$ ls -lc /etc/debian_version |
| 10:40.09 | vchrizz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4 Jan 7 12:07 /etc/debian_version |
| 10:40.25 | peterS | vchrizz: right, that's when you upgraded to sarge. when you installed woody - who knows |
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| 10:41.14 | vchrizz | hum, is there no possibility to check in every distro, when it was installed? |
| 10:41.16 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: i don't blame you ;) |
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| 10:41.50 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: It's largely why I wrote javabot, tbh. It took less time to write the first version of javabot than it did to get blootbot running. |
| 10:42.03 | ricky_clarkson | 8 minutes. |
| 10:42.09 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: *nods*. hmm, found a bug: |
| 10:42.12 | simonrvn | @faqsmite foo |
| 10:42.13 | ravenbird | foo: READ THE FAQ! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ What's the matter with you? Didn't your mother teach you any manners? |
| 10:42.25 | cahoot | vchrizz: if the bootloader was installed de novo - the files in /boot maybe? |
| 10:42.27 | simonrvn | @test |
| 10:42.34 | ricky_clarkson | So $1 commands work, and non-$1s don't. |
| 10:42.38 | simonrvn | nothing happens |
| 10:42.39 | peterS | cahoot: those are subject to upgrades as well |
| 10:42.40 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:42.55 | cahoot | peterS: boot.b et al too? |
| 10:43.03 | simonrvn | strange |
| 10:43.30 | simonrvn | gonna have to bring it up with TimRiker |
| 10:43.30 | peterS | cahoot: boot.b came from *somewhere*. if it came in the lilo package originally, why wouldn't it also come in the lilo package on upgrade? |
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| 10:44.40 | cafuego | whee toys! |
| 10:44.56 | kensuke | Whats the general consensus on Ubuntu ? |
| 10:45.10 | directhex|work | pointless |
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| 10:45.57 | cafuego | kensuke: Nice if you want an up2date Gnome desktop box. |
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| 10:46.42 | directhex|work | debian without the QA or half the packages, and a couple of pre-selected packages on the install |
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| 10:47.13 | kensuke | interesting :-) |
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| 10:47.40 | cafuego | kensuke: As you can see, I run it, directhex|work gets his info from hearsay ;-) |
| 10:47.40 | kensuke | Im getting my cd's next week ... can one install std debian packages fro mstd apt repos ? |
| 10:47.49 | kensuke | lol |
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| 10:48.05 | cafuego | kensuke: You can (not recommended) but most stuff you need will be packaged anyway. |
| 10:48.14 | directhex|work | cafuego, i think that's unfair, i've installed it in vmware to try, and on some actual hardware. |
| 10:48.19 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:48.28 | cafuego | directhex|work: I use it 24/7 on the desktop box. |
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| 10:48.44 | cafuego | directhex|work: When it comes to AMD64, it had an edge over Deb. |
| 10:48.53 | PerfDave | The support for Ubuntu is gash compared to Debian. |
| 10:49.03 | leikh | anyone heard of something similar to astoro.com? (the address is wrong. it's a linuxdistro for vpn and stuff, i think) |
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| 10:49.12 | directhex|work | cafuego, i'm not sure the fedora approach ot amd64 is a good one, personally |
| 10:49.25 | cafuego | directhex|work: fedora? Eww. |
| 10:49.50 | directhex|work | cafuego, bi/multi arch are a messy way of doing things, and certainly not LSB-friendly. |
| 10:50.05 | directhex|work | i'll stick with debian amd64, i have more control over what goes on |
| 10:50.08 | cafuego | directhex|work: Well, that's the way debian wants to go. |
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| 10:50.40 | directhex|work | i think the debian path was somewhat cleaner than a plethora of lib64 directories scattered about |
| 10:50.55 | cafuego | directhex|work: <heh> |
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| 10:51.13 | newb | hello |
| 10:51.26 | ricky_clarkson | newb: Congrats. Your hello world program works! |
| 10:51.27 | newb | i have a problem by configuring my printer |
| 10:51.36 | newb | ricky_clarkson :) |
| 10:51.53 | newb | its a HP deskjet 3745 |
| 10:51.55 | kensuke | newb ... now onto more complicated examples ;-) lol |
| 10:51.56 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: does it ? world lacking |
| 10:52.29 | newb | i have read and made all what they said on linuxprinting.org |
| 10:52.37 | newb | i have install cupsys |
| 10:52.40 | newb | hpijs |
| 10:52.42 | ricky_clarkson | cahoot: Speke teh Inglesh?!??¿¿¿??¡¡¡??quequecomocomo? |
| 10:53.08 | newb | i have also download the PPD and put it in /usr/share/cups/model/ |
| 10:53.27 | newb | and i have configure my printer on localhost:631 |
| 10:53.39 | newb | but it doesn't work at all |
| 10:54.55 | newb | (i add that the printer is working under windows ) |
| 10:55.07 | newb | so it can't be a hardware crash |
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| 10:55.31 | newb | someone an idea ? |
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| 10:56.51 | superSSS | newb: why dont you just have plugged into windows machine, you can install it there with ease |
| 10:57.21 | newb | superSSS: what does it means (i am not so good at english ) |
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| 10:57.24 | newb | ? |
| 10:57.53 | newb | and i add that i haven't windows now on my pc |
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| 10:57.57 | superSSS | newb: keep it on windows to work, if you have troubles under linux, maybe there is no driver for it |
| 10:58.30 | newb | the problem is that this printer worked well |
| 10:59.06 | newb | but one day by printing a document he (the printer) sutdown and ... |
| 10:59.10 | newb | you see ? |
| 10:59.20 | newb | now i have install debian on the pc |
| 10:59.39 | newb | and i have no idea why it doesn't work .. |
| 11:00.09 | superSSS | i couldnt setup printer on debian, that is why I print from windows |
| 11:00.49 | leikh | anyone here tried the astaro vpn gateway? |
| 11:00.53 | newb | it has worked on Gnome now i run icewm |
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| 11:02.09 | SkippedySkop | newb: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make=HP |
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| 11:03.12 | newb | SkippedySkop: i was there its there that i found the ppd |
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| 11:03.49 | g8se | Has anyone got info specific to x509 configuration for openswan? I remember some details when I was fiddling with freeswan, but can't remember now. |
| 11:04.04 | g8se | the doco's that come with it doen't seem to mention x509 much |
| 11:04.09 | newb | they say recommended driver hpijs and i have already install this |
| 11:04.41 | Amyb | why does azureus keep giving me out of disk space error messages when I have over 5gb free on each of my drives? |
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| 11:05.17 | sussudio | Amyb: why should we care? azureus isn't in debian. |
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| 11:06.01 | Amyb | fair enough. |
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| 11:06.42 | kensuke | wtf is azureus ? |
| 11:06.42 | SkippedySkop | newb: is it loaded |
| 11:07.07 | drp | kensuke, bit torrent client |
| 11:07.12 | kensuke | ahh right |
| 11:07.32 | newb | SkippedySkop: what do you mean ? if it is load now or if it is load during the attempt to print ? |
| 11:07.40 | kensuke | sounds like a type of cheeze |
| 11:07.42 | kensuke | :-) |
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| 11:07.54 | drp | lol |
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| 11:08.48 | directhex|work | kensuke, a java bittorrent client |
| 11:08.58 | keko_ | whitch 2.6 kernel is supported by sarge |
| 11:09.02 | kensuke | hmmm ... java |
| 11:09.21 | drp | it's nice except for that fact that it eats memory like fat kids eat candy |
| 11:09.22 | kensuke | keko: Not sure about packages ... but Im running 2.6.10 without any hassels (yet) |
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| 11:09.23 | SkippedySkop | newb: have you put it in cups/model wherever that maybe? |
| 11:09.33 | kensuke | drp: lol |
| 11:09.44 | kensuke | drp: I agree ... |
| 11:09.50 | lakshmi_ | hi |
| 11:09.52 | kensuke | drp: but I like the language |
| 11:09.55 | newb | SkippedySkop: i have made apt-get install hpijs |
| 11:10.05 | drp | kensuke, not a fan of garbage collection |
| 11:10.08 | keko_ | hmm |
| 11:10.11 | Mikesh | hello, we founded new localized debian challel for czech people, #debian-cz, can I wrote him to database? |
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| 11:11.16 | kensuke | drp: Neither am I in principle ... but with the deadlines I have being the only developer. I find java quicker ... its a bad reason ... I know ... but still :-) |
| 11:11.29 | drp | well haven't slept in about 2 days now ... I'm due |
| 11:11.34 | directhex|work | keko_, sarge has 2.6.8 kernels for various processor subarches |
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| 11:11.53 | kensuke | how easy is it to get into programming with the gnome kits under deb ? |
| 11:12.16 | brynjarh | I'm at my school on a computer that I have complete administration privladges. I'm trying to connect to a vnc server (vino) at my home computer. At home I have Debian GNU/Linux Sid running X/GNOME/Vino , here I am running Win2k/Tight VNC viewer. When I try to connect I have to wait for awhile and then I get the message: Failed to connect to server. What could be the problem? |
| 11:12.20 | brynjarh | I can access my http server and ssh from here, and "nmap localhost" on my computer gives me few lines including "5900/tcp open vnc". What could be the problem? Is Tight VNC Viewer maybe not the rigt viewer for the vino vnc server or do I maybe just have to configure it right? Could the school be blocking port 5900? |
| 11:12.22 | directhex|work | keko_, e.g. kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp |
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| 11:12.37 | keko_ | directhex|work: i need good kernel to make gateway |
| 11:12.45 | keko_ | :) |
| 11:13.36 | keko_ | what is difference on kernel like kernel2.6-686 or kernel686-smp |
| 11:13.56 | Gathond | keko_: smp support |
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| 11:14.12 | directhex|work | keko_, 686 is for intel pentium pro or higher. 686 smp is for intel dual processor machines, or hyperthreaded xeon/pentium4 |
| 11:14.18 | kensuke | Gathond: hehe |
| 11:14.30 | keko_ | ahaa okey |
| 11:14.56 | SniperX | In the debian setup, it says use DHCP. I plugged in my cable modem(optusnet) and it says DHCP failed. but it works on all other pc's(winxp) |
| 11:14.58 | SniperX | ? |
| 11:15.21 | kensuke | it think DHCP will only look on ethernet interfaces at install /// (me thinks) ? |
| 11:15.35 | keko_ | whitch kernel have all ip_tables thinks to make gateway |
| 11:15.45 | PerfDave | SniperX: "all other PCs"? Do you mean "one other PC"? |
| 11:15.47 | directhex|work | keko_, all of the kernels in sarge do. |
| 11:15.56 | SniperX | PerfDave: i mean 2 other laptops |
| 11:16.15 | PerfDave | SniperX: Try hard-powering the cable modem, many models have MAC locking. |
| 11:16.20 | keko_ | directhex|work: i have find no where manuals about making that :( |
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| 11:16.41 | SniperX | yea i tried that |
| 11:17.08 | brynjarh | Where do I change what port Vino uses? Vino is a vnc server that is a part of GNOME. |
| 11:18.34 | keko_ | directhex|work: i want make easy gateway 2 networkcard.. eth0 is internet ans eth1 share eth0 net to localnetwork |
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| 11:18.42 | SniperX | ill try it again |
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| 11:21.00 | paulswm | brynjarh: I don't use vino, I use x11vnc but from what I remember when researching vnc stuff, you can't change the vino port |
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| 11:21.16 | kensuke | keko_: apt-get install doc-linux-text, that should have a howto on doing what you want to do |
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| 11:22.03 | newb | okay thanks |
| 11:22.09 | newb | and bye :) |
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| 11:24.18 | keko_ | :) |
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| 11:26.05 | sobersabre | hi |
| 11:26.09 | lu | hello, greetings to all this morning |
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| 11:27.21 | lu | Question, tuning my computer. i have no reall sessions. Using gnome system monitor i find i'm using all of my ram and cpu is 3% but i'm not running any major prgrams. Swap is 0 |
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| 11:27.41 | no-id | why do i get /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25:26: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory when trying to compile anything .../usr/include/bits/errno.h does exist |
| 11:28.03 | LinuxMafia | all : guys is there a way to play mms://62.220.119.89/jj2 whitout any disconnection in play? |
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| 11:28.06 | lu | So, how do i get more umph out my computer. My hdparms have also been decreasing as of late, from20mb/sec to now 3mb/sec |
| 11:28.09 | brynjarh | paulswm, do you know if it is possible to change the port of tightvncserver? |
| 11:28.16 | trc | i am going to reconnect hdb to become hda, i am using stock kernel initrd and grub. Besides changing /etc/fstab and menu.lst, what else should I do? |
| 11:28.17 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, trc |
| 11:28.33 | sussudio | ... |
| 11:28.43 | sussudio | dpkg: stop being retarded |
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| 11:30.01 | Mikesh | hello, we founded new localized debian challel for czech people, #debian-cz, can I write him to database? |
| 11:30.11 | Mikesh | can sb help me with that? |
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| 11:32.27 | paulswm | lu: use hdparm to get the parameters set for your drive, chack that they are the optimal |
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| 11:32.55 | SkippedySkop | what's the word that derives that something can have more than one meaning? |
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| 11:34.04 | sussudio | ubiqutous? |
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| 11:34.26 | lu | paulswm: i have tweaked, researched and found my optimum settings |
| 11:34.39 | trc | plurimeaningful |
| 11:34.39 | lu | even with hdparm running all it's vodoo i still get 3mb/sec |
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| 11:34.49 | PerfDave | Mikesh: What's Czech for "Czech speakers please go to #debian-cz"? |
| 11:35.20 | Mikesh | PerfDave: yes |
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| 11:35.25 | paulswm | lu: then I see no reason why your transfer rates should have changed, unless other processes are using the disk while you are running hdparm |
| 11:35.26 | lu | you are the man PerfDave, dispensing help at all hours |
| 11:35.57 | PerfDave | Mikesh: What is that phrase, translated into Czech? |
| 11:35.59 | ritura1 | hi room |
| 11:36.03 | lu | nope, i've tested it in a non X environment will everything practically killed |
| 11:36.03 | ritura1 | hows everyone |
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| 11:36.10 | ritura1 | i just read abt livecd ibuild |
| 11:36.17 | ritura1 | a friend of mine was asking me this....she has created a customised kernel. ..initrd...etc etc |
| 11:36.22 | ritura1 | now she wants to create a livecd of it |
| 11:36.25 | lu | What blows me away Is i'm using 1gb of ram |
| 11:36.29 | ritura1 | it will be a small ...damn small distro...only her files and nothing else...debian specific etc....can it be done with ubuild.... |
| 11:36.33 | lu | and nothings is going on |
| 11:36.34 | ritura1 | i mean does ibuild have some debian/morphix dependencies etc |
| 11:36.57 | Mikesh | PerfDave: "Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz" |
| 11:37.54 | PerfDave | !cz is <reply> Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 11:37.55 | dpkg | ...but cz is already something else... |
| 11:37.57 | PerfDave | !cz |
| 11:37.57 | dpkg | methinks cz is Czech Republic |
| 11:38.06 | PerfDave | !no, cz is <reply> Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 11:38.18 | PerfDave | !cz is also Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 11:38.18 | dpkg | PerfDave: okay |
| 11:38.25 | trc | what about slovak people? |
| 11:38.34 | trc | where do they meet? |
| 11:38.41 | dacer | can anyone recommend any FTP SERVER for sarge? I would like to configure with any Gnome frontend or with Webmin |
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| 11:40.06 | PerfDave | dacer: apt-cache search ftp server |
| 11:40.26 | dacer | ftp "space" server ? |
| 11:40.34 | lu | I was super paranoid and ran a program f-prot, a free linux antivirus program and there was nothing to report |
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| 11:41.26 | lu | Shalom pzin |
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| 11:42.31 | jim | ok... I have a linux I can boot... it used to be a debian, but since I got rid of /var, it lost its debianness... |
| 11:42.43 | jim | so I'm trying to figure a way to get it back |
| 11:42.57 | jim | I can't boot a floppy or cdrom at the moment |
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| 11:43.13 | lu | so, any recommendations on tweaking my box. all ram being used, 1gb, hdparm is no longer offering any advantages in hd speed. CPU is barely working, and there is no swap being used |
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| 11:44.09 | jim | so is there a way to get a base install of sarge on a chroot that I can copy out slowly to get it back to working again? |
| 11:44.12 | PuGz | hey every1... i own quake2 on cd... i have run the apt-get install quake2-data... and i have some data files on my computer (it pulled them from the quake2 cd... all of them)... how do i now run quake? |
| 11:44.20 | PuGz | there doesnt seem to be an executable |
| 11:44.44 | vari | hi, i installed kernel-image-2.6-k7 but... it refuses to boot into it |
| 11:45.51 | vari | it says,append correct "root=" |
| 11:46.00 | vari | 2.4 is booting correctly |
| 11:46.17 | PuGz | what device is your root hd? |
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| 11:46.29 | PuGz | i have linux on hda5... |
| 11:46.34 | PuGz | u using lilo or grub? |
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| 11:47.07 | PuGz | for grub: |
| 11:47.09 | PuGz | title Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 11:47.09 | PuGz | root (hd0,4) |
| 11:47.09 | PuGz | kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro |
| 11:47.09 | PuGz | savedefault |
| 11:47.09 | PuGz | boot |
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| 11:47.44 | PuGz | so anyone know how to run quake 2 in debian? or know where i can find out? |
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| 11:48.02 | Coke | PuGz: apt-get install quake2, used to work |
| 11:48.04 | PerfDave | !tell PuGz -about flood |
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| 11:48.13 | lu | there used to be a quake howto in tldp.org |
| 11:48.17 | paulswm | lu: hdparm just displays or sets disk parameters. If your disk is still optimally set, then it's really a highly local question. You will generally get disk slowness it a filesystem is close to full, for instance. Or maybe there is an identifiable time at which performance suddenly degraded, and you can research what changed. All stuff you've already though about, I'm sure. |
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| 11:49.21 | PuGz | Coke, mine doesnt have a quake2 package... can you check to see if yours does? |
| 11:49.26 | Coke | no |
| 11:49.30 | PuGz | lu, cheers |
| 11:49.44 | PuGz | Coke, is that no you cant, or no it doesnt? |
| 11:49.57 | PerfDave | !info quake2 |
| 11:49.59 | dpkg | quake2: (improved version of id Software's Quake II engine), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1:0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1240 kB, Installed size: 3008 kB |
| 11:50.04 | lu | thank you paulswm, yeah i've done these... I'm worried my drive is going south. BUT i do not know how to check it for it's health. It has smart technology but i don't know where to see a log, etc. |
| 11:50.14 | PerfDave | PuGz: You'll need the contrib repositories for the quake2 package. |
| 11:50.23 | PuGz | PerfDave, cheers! |
| 11:50.25 | PuGz | thanks |
| 11:50.28 | PuGz | all i needed! |
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| 11:50.54 | PuGz | (i am using 2 dvds for my debian sarge install as i have dialup internet... but i can download that!) |
| 11:51.16 | lu | where i have my startup page in Firefox file:///usr/share/doc/doc-linux-nonfree-html/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html and if you do a search quake there is info!! |
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| 11:53.43 | paulswm | lu: you should be able to run your disk manufacturer's test software and they'll also presumabbly have instructions for its use, sorry I am sure this is not new advice |
| 11:54.14 | lu | no problem, i guess i need to backup my stuff and practice my debian install. Laptops can be such a pain |
| 11:54.31 | paulswm | !comfort lu |
| 11:54.32 | dpkg | There, there, lu. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:55.00 | PuGz | nice |
| 11:55.09 | PuGz | what if i want comforting? |
| 11:55.12 | PerfDave | PuGz: Why do you want to download DVD images to install over dialup? You'll have to upgrade all the packages anyway and will download stuff you never need. |
| 11:55.19 | PuGz | jokes |
| 11:55.22 | paulswm | !beat PuGz |
| 11:55.25 | paulswm | heh |
| 11:55.35 | paulswm | j/k |
| 11:55.39 | lu | lol |
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| 11:55.46 | lu | hilarious, dpkg rocks |
| 11:55.52 | PuGz | PerfDave, i didnt download them -> i bought them from shop.linuxit.com.au |
| 11:56.01 | PuGz | (i live in perth, australia) |
| 11:56.10 | PuGz | paulswm, bastard! |
| 11:56.10 | PuGz | jokes |
| 11:56.20 | PuGz | paulswm, is there a classic trout one? |
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| 11:56.27 | PerfDave | PuGz: They sell Sarge DVDs? Strange, it hasn't been released yet. |
| 11:56.32 | lu | I love australia. |
| 11:56.53 | lu | sorry that just came out |
| 11:56.56 | PuGz | PerfDave, they do weekly snapshots of sarge and sell them on 2 dvds |
| 11:57.01 | PerfDave | I wish the bloody Australians would stay in Australia rather than coming over to the UK. |
| 11:57.05 | PerfDave | PuGz: Fair enough :) |
| 11:57.05 | PuGz | lu -> you australian? |
| 11:57.06 | paulswm | PuGz: Not sure, I don't know much about the bot |
| 11:57.09 | lu | nope |
| 11:57.16 | lu | just love australian women |
| 11:57.23 | trc | he he |
| 11:57.24 | PuGz | i bought my snapshot 3 days ago for $22.99 AUD |
| 11:57.25 | rob^ | pfft, u can keep the uk |
| 11:57.28 | lu | awesome attitude |
| 11:57.40 | PuGz | PerfDave, I bet more UK buggers come here! |
| 11:57.47 | PerfDave | PuGz: I doubt it. |
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| 11:58.20 | PerfDave | I like Australians in Australia, but the ones who emigrate to the UK are almost universally tossers. |
| 11:58.24 | directhex|work | PuGz, yeah, the convicts do |
| 11:58.26 | PuGz | how about this -> 90% of the population is originally from the UK... remember u came over here and stole the land from the aboriginals? |
| 11:58.35 | paulswm | Don't start guys, I already had a fight about how much I prefer living in the US |
| 11:58.36 | PuGz | hehe |
| 11:58.49 | directhex|work | stole? we dumped our worst criminals there to be rid off them. what they did was thier own problem |
| 11:58.53 | petemc | PuGz: assufield would tell you that revisionist history |
| 11:59.05 | PuGz | hehe.... damn yanks |
| 11:59.05 | kensuke | you all suck. Africa is da place 2B yo !! lol |
| 11:59.14 | PuGz | jokes |
| 11:59.23 | paulswm | !prise PuGz |
| 11:59.24 | PuGz | hehe |
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| 11:59.28 | trc | 'we' would imply that you were living and involved with the decision |
| 11:59.34 | PuGz | isnt it funny? and we all use debian! |
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| 12:00.19 | sussudio | wtf is 'prise' |
| 12:00.28 | sussudio | !factinfo CMD: prise (.*?) |
| 12:00.29 | dpkg | CMD: prise (.*?) -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky@146-87-113-220.salford.ac.uk> at Wed Feb 16 19:06:08 2005 (8 days). |
| 12:00.31 | directhex|work | !dict prise |
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| 12:00.39 | PuGz | paulswm, why... why take me away? |
| 12:00.41 | sussudio | ah, fucktardo |
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| 12:00.47 | lu | hey i'm Gringo, just love the aussie cowgirls |
| 12:01.04 | paulswm | prise == forcibly remove |
| 12:01.12 | trc | 'we' would imply that you were living and involved with the decision, but you were not living and most likely your ancestors didn't have any power of decision, except for the power to give money to the crown |
| 12:01.14 | lu | yee haaw |
| 12:01.26 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tq5Vfo75.html <--- what should i do? |
| 12:01.26 | sussudio | paulswm: no, that would be pries |
| 12:01.27 | trc | he he |
| 12:01.38 | paulswm | PuGz: I didn't know the bot was going to say that, it's responses are varied |
| 12:01.49 | lu | anywayez it's always a riot, peace out my Australian hommies |
| 12:01.54 | PuGz | paulswm, but why would you want to forcibly remove me? |
| 12:01.55 | PuGz | hehe |
| 12:02.04 | directhex|work | PuGz, quake2 was removed from sarge for security reasons. |
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| 12:02.35 | paulswm | sussudio: prise = To move or force with or as if with a lever; pry. |
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| 12:02.54 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tq5Vfo75.html <--- what is wrong and how should i correct it? |
| 12:03.07 | sussudio | paulswm: no |
| 12:03.12 | PuGz | directhex|work, oh.. thanks! i did see a lot of security things when i googled it |
| 12:03.16 | PuGz | what was wrong? |
| 12:03.31 | zbrown | XunII: are you allowed to login as root via ssh? |
| 12:03.37 | XunII | yes |
| 12:03.38 | paulswm | sussudio: From Middle English prise, instrument for prying, probably from prise, the taking of something. |
| 12:03.49 | directhex|work | PuGz, the quake 2 server is rootable, i think. something like that |
| 12:03.59 | directhex|work | PuGz, recent icculus.org packages may be fixed on that front. |
| 12:04.02 | sussudio | paulswm: still no. |
| 12:04.12 | paulswm | sussudio: It's in the friggin' dictionary :) |
| 12:04.27 | XunII | zbrown but the last line, I only get that when trying with root |
| 12:04.56 | EagerBeaver[NL] | Hi people! I need help with my new Debian "sarge" install. I'm trying to set it up with a 2.6.8-2-686 kernel functioning as a gateway/firewal. But the external connection with my ISP(DHCP) keeps disconnecting. |
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| 12:05.26 | borco | exit |
| 12:05.35 | R1ck | +/ |
| 12:05.43 | borco | sorry... |
| 12:05.45 | borco | hi |
| 12:05.48 | EagerBeaver[NL] | i can't find anything wrong in the logs, and same thing happens with default kernel |
| 12:05.48 | R1ck | oi |
| 12:05.52 | PuGz | my oss sound is stuffing up in quake2 now that i have got it... i first had to kill the esd daemon (gnome), but now it is choppy sounding noise |
| 12:05.52 | directhex|work | \m/(^_^)\m/ |
| 12:06.12 | paulswm | directhex|work: Cute :) |
| 12:06.12 | directhex|work | PuGz, well, it's open source, you could fix it... |
| 12:06.25 | EagerBeaver[NL] | interface is still up when i try to ping it, and routes seem oke to |
| 12:06.27 | PuGz | buh! it is beyond my ability |
| 12:06.51 | directhex|work | PuGz, quake 2 sound IS screwy. my solution is... erm... not ideal |
| 12:07.20 | PuGz | yes? |
| 12:07.21 | directhex|work | and may cause some peopel in here to beat me with oranges |
| 12:07.38 | directhex|work | sure you wouldn't prefer a nice simple quake 3 instead? |
| 12:07.50 | PuGz | i would have to buy that yes? |
| 12:08.05 | PuGz | ps, was that your solution? |
| 12:08.19 | directhex|work | my solution is to apt-get install arts; man artsdsp |
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| 12:08.42 | PuGz | i have arts... as i have kde installed... |
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| 12:09.42 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HRPTUP44.html someone? plz? |
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| 12:09.53 | Dominja | nobody? |
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| 12:10.13 | n3o_X | hmnmm, how do you send a terminal window to the background to run? |
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| 12:11.53 | PuGz | directhex|work, is there a similar one for esd? |
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| 12:12.34 | directhex|work | !nfi |
| 12:12.35 | dpkg | from memory, nfi is No Fucking Idea |
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| 12:12.45 | directhex|work | lunchtime. |
| 12:12.46 | PuGz | nice |
| 12:13.25 | PuGz | hey guys... i only found out today that when in a console, you can push <ctrl>+<d> to logout! i thought you had to type exit! are there any other neat tricks like this? |
| 12:13.42 | TinoW | oh nice, there is a tar filesystem for linux now too. Funny is, they reinvented the wheel aparently ;) |
| 12:14.13 | schizoschaf | is the IBM public license GPL compatible? |
| 12:14.40 | sobersabre | no |
| 12:14.57 | sobersabre | what do you mean "compatible" |
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| 12:15.01 | schizoschaf | can a java prog which compiles against ibm's jikes go into debian main? |
| 12:15.01 | PerfDave | schizoschaf: http://www.fsf.org/ |
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| 12:15.13 | sobersabre | main - no |
| 12:15.25 | sobersabre | non-free or contrib ... i think, yes |
| 12:15.28 | PerfDave | schizoschaf: That's not to do with GPL compatiable, that's to do with DSFG-free. |
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| 12:15.43 | n3o_X | how do you put a process you have running in a shell sesion into the background so it doesnt close when you close the session? |
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| 12:15.49 | schizoschaf | ok. PerfDave that was two questions |
| 12:16.02 | Delph | schizoschaf: 'compiles against' ? |
| 12:16.03 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tq5Vfo75.html <--- what is wrong and how should i correct it? |
| 12:16.16 | petemc | PuGz: lots and lots, google for linux/bash shortcut keys |
| 12:16.19 | sobersabre | n3o_X: you send it NOHUP signal, or run it via nohup "program" |
| 12:16.30 | PuGz | petemc, cheers |
| 12:16.31 | Delph | schizoschaf: surely it's not the compiler, it's the licence of the code that's the issue. |
| 12:16.40 | n3o_X | how do i send it the NOHUP signal while it is running? |
| 12:16.41 | schizoschaf | the code is gpl |
| 12:16.56 | schizoschaf | but by now its only tested with suns compiler |
| 12:16.59 | Delph | does it compile against (eg) gcj or sun's ? |
| 12:17.07 | sobersabre | oops. i'm confusing u |
| 12:17.15 | sobersabre | u can send is a HUP signal |
| 12:17.17 | TinoW | n3o_X: ctrl-z |
| 12:17.25 | PerfDave | schizoschaf: If it's DSFG-compliant, it will go into main if it can run on a DFSG-compliant JVM, and contrib if it can't. |
| 12:17.29 | TinoW | or something ;) |
| 12:17.38 | PerfDave | schizoschaf: (I expect, IANADebianDeveloper, etc.) |
| 12:17.38 | PuGz | cya guys, cheers for the help |
| 12:17.43 | sobersabre | n3o_X: ctl_z is "susp" signal |
| 12:17.59 | Delph | PerfDave: but if it requires non-free code to compile, can it live in main? is there a requirement to have the tools to compile it from source as well? |
| 12:18.20 | TinoW | sobersabre: which is kinda background |
| 12:18.32 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tq5Vfo75.html <--- what is wrong and how should i correct it? |
| 12:18.50 | PerfDave | Delph: Hmm, I didn't think Java code was compiled, but this may just be me not knowing much about Java. |
| 12:18.56 | sobersabre | TinoW: no,. it is "go to sleep" and back ground is "go to work and i don't wanna see your face" |
| 12:19.22 | TinoW | sobersabre: depends on your interpretation. The "fg" command must have a reason :-) |
| 12:19.28 | Delph | PerfDave: java source -> java classes is the compiling stage, then you run it on a JVM in the interpreting / just-in-time compilation stage. |
| 12:19.42 | PerfDave | Delph: Fair enough |
| 12:19.43 | Delph | s/it/the generated java bytecode/ |
| 12:19.56 | PerfDave | Delph: I thought that java classes were just like Perl modules. |
| 12:20.17 | PerfDave | Delph: A bit of code which is included at runtime. |
| 12:20.32 | Delph | but is it compiled down at all, or is it just perl code in textual format? |
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| 12:20.51 | sobersabre | TinoW: ok, you win. i don't care. |
| 12:21.16 | PerfDave | Delph: It's not compiled. Perl code is rarely compiled by any standard definition of that term. |
| 12:21.32 | TinoW | sobersabre: funny if you wake it up with kill -CONT :-) |
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| 12:21.45 | PerfDave | Delph: A "compiled perl executable" is Perl script compiled to bytecode, tacked on to the Perl bytecode interpreter (but not the parser etc.) |
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| 12:21.47 | sobersabre | TinoW: i just wonder why you will have to use bg in order to run a CTL+Z'ed process... |
| 12:21.56 | PerfDave | Delph: mod_perl caches bytecode to save reparsing each time a script is executed. |
| 12:21.57 | TinoW | sobersabre: fg! |
| 12:22.00 | Delph | PerfDave: gotcha. |
| 12:22.12 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tq5Vfo75.html <--- what is wrong and how should i correct it? |
| 12:22.14 | Delph | then java classes would be more like that compiled perl executable. |
| 12:22.45 | sobersabre | TinoW: , in the background... doesn't it mean that if it sleeps... its not in the background ? |
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| 12:23.01 | rob^ | XunII, what is wrong is you repeating yourself over and over again |
| 12:23.05 | TinoW | sobersabre: tell me, why its "fg" and not actually called "cont" ? |
| 12:23.33 | paulswm | PuGz: ctl-d is Unix for 'no more input' and is the historically standard way of exiting a program, others include ctl-g (bell), ctl-h (backspace), ctl-i (tab), ctl-c (break) |
| 12:23.36 | XunII | rob^ my computer is the wrong part ;) I'm just waiting for an answer :) |
| 12:23.57 | sobersabre | its a matter of semantics. have you ever written a shell ? |
| 12:24.00 | rob^ | you could be waiting a whle |
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| 12:24.17 | XunII | rob^ I am, we just have different way of seeing things :) |
| 12:24.19 | TinoW | sobersabre: but fg suggests f(ore)g(round) no? |
| 12:24.37 | rob^ | o..k |
| 12:24.42 | jim | it's part of job control |
| 12:24.51 | sobersabre | TinoW: and bg the opposite... right ? |
| 12:25.05 | TinoW | sobersabre: should |
| 12:25.09 | paulswm | TinoW: fg *does* mean 'foreground' |
| 12:25.16 | schizoschaf | which are DFSG compliant JVMs? |
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| 12:25.25 | nevyn | kaffe ? |
| 12:25.51 | sobersabre | TinoW: what i mean is, if you want to bring something to the foreground, doesn't mean it was in the background before. and the same with bg. |
| 12:25.57 | PerfDave | schizoschaf: apt-cache show free-java-sdk |
| 12:26.04 | sobersabre | this is what sleep for. |
| 12:26.08 | sobersabre | or suspend |
| 12:26.14 | schizoschaf | PerfDave, thx |
| 12:26.21 | sobersabre | neither here nor there. |
| 12:26.35 | sobersabre | but in the joblist. |
| 12:26.35 | jim | so is there a way to get a base install of sarge on a chroot that I can copy out slowly to get it back to working again? |
| 12:26.37 | paulswm | !prize sobersabre |
| 12:26.46 | sobersabre | hehe |
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| 12:26.50 | paulswm | heh, how inappropriate for the nick |
| 12:27.09 | jim | that's not him, it's the sabre! |
| 12:27.42 | sobersabre | i take the beer, and make a beer bread out of it.. [for educational purposes...not mine] |
| 12:27.52 | jim | is there like a tarball of the base? |
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| 12:28.06 | jim | like there used to be that I can download |
| 12:28.07 | jim | ? |
| 12:28.15 | PerfDave | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/license-list.html/view?searchterm=ibm # The IBM Public License v1.0 is GPL-incompatiable |
| 12:28.17 | paulswm | sobersabre: Or you could make some beer batter and cook us some fish & chips |
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| 12:29.30 | jim | oh, and how do I get grub to accept a menu file? |
| 12:29.47 | paulswm | TinoW: man bash and read the JOB CONTRL section re fg, bg and a lot of other neat and useful stuff |
| 12:29.58 | paulswm | CONTROL even |
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| 12:31.02 | TinoW | paulswm: tell this nox3 :-) |
| 12:31.02 | sobersabre | paulswm: beer butter ? never ate it :) |
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| 12:32.27 | paulswm | sobersabre: bAtter |
| 12:32.37 | abrocadabro | how can I save volume after alsamixer? |
| 12:32.47 | sobersabre | man alsactl |
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| 12:34.22 | jim | hello? |
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| 12:35.02 | sobersabre | anybody knows which java machine runs better with native methods on ia64 [itanium2] ? |
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| 12:35.34 | sobersabre | bea/ibm/sun/blackown/whatever ... |
| 12:36.01 | drac | abrocadabro: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base |
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| 12:36.47 | jim | anyone know how I can easily get a base install of sarge, say, onto a woody box whose dpkg database has been permanently damaged (erased completely)? |
| 12:37.01 | abrocadabro | drac: it seems to work, I'll reboot and see |
| 12:37.04 | JediMaster | anyone here familiar with using debconf in debian packages? |
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| 12:37.22 | owen_ | hey, is there a release date for sarge to become the stable branch? |
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| 12:37.30 | directhex|work | !wwsr |
| 12:37.30 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
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| 12:37.47 | sobersabre | Cool! |
| 12:38.01 | no-id | why do i get /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25:26: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory when trying to compile anything .../usr/include/bits/errno.h does exist |
| 12:38.04 | no-id | ? |
| 12:38.24 | jim | !sing sarge |
| 12:38.24 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
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| 12:38.47 | jim | dpkg: you're not sarge :P |
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| 12:39.15 | sobersabre | what's the name after sid ? |
| 12:39.24 | petemc | no-id: bits/ doesnt look like linux/ , to me anyway |
| 12:39.27 | jim | sid will never be released |
| 12:39.28 | jim | ever |
| 12:39.29 | PerfDave | schizoschaf: There is no name after sid |
| 12:39.32 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 12:39.43 | PerfDave | sobersabre: There is no name after sid. When Sarge is released, Etch will be the new Testing release. |
| 12:39.49 | directhex|work | !scud |
| 12:39.58 | sobersabre | so it is etch :) |
| 12:40.00 | jim | PerfDave: not to worry,,, that's his other personality... |
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| 12:40.09 | PerfDave | jim: Very good ;) |
| 12:40.14 | JediMaster | what happens when they run out of toy story characters? |
| 12:40.18 | JediMaster | =) |
| 12:40.28 | idimmu | is there a way to force files in a directory to always have specific permissions owner and group regardless of who/how they are created/edited ? |
| 12:40.36 | petemc | no-id: fwiw, i find creating a symlink to /usr/src/linux from the kernel source sorts those problems, even tho linux says you shouldnt do that |
| 12:40.37 | directhex|work | JediMaster, at current debian release dates? the sun will have gone cold by then |
| 12:40.45 | JediMaster | ah yes, good point |
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| 12:40.58 | jim | noiw someone help me get a sarge base chroot on my machine :P |
| 12:41.01 | owen_ | dpkg wir |
| 12:41.01 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 12:41.06 | owen_ | oops |
| 12:41.09 | paulswm | no-id: read the error again, linux/errno.h: No such file or directory (and 'grep /usr/include/bits errno.h errno.h' fro enlightenment |
| 12:41.16 | jim | !siyh |
| 12:41.16 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 12:41.27 | no-id | from enlightenment ? |
| 12:42.48 | jmcaricand | Hi. I have probem with cfdisk. When I create a partition with cfdisk, I must reboot ! Under Gentoo I don't must reboot to use cfdisk. It's same computer. |
| 12:42.48 | paulswm | no-id: for enlightement, i.e. to understand why you are getting that message |
| 12:42.48 | no-id | oh ... |
| 12:42.49 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HRPTUP44.html someone? plz? |
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| 12:42.49 | PerfDave | jim: Read the Installation Manual |
| 12:42.49 | sobersabre | jmcaricand: you need to close the curtains, and retry |
| 12:42.49 | jim | jmcaricand: if the disk was busy, that's when you'd have to reboot |
| 12:42.49 | jmcaricand | jim: Why not under Gentoo ? |
| 12:42.53 | PerfDave | You "must reboot"? |
| 12:42.56 | jim | dunno |
| 12:43.03 | no-id | how would i go about symlinking would it be ln -s /usr/src/linux /usr/include ? |
| 12:43.09 | PerfDave | THE POWER OF INIT 6 COMPELS YOU! |
| 12:43.10 | [SEP]Duzao | I need a server with 2 private ips, I would like to register my domain with this ips, so, I can use only this to ips and only one dns server to do this ? |
| 12:43.14 | jim | maybe because the disk wasn't busy when you partitioned it? |
| 12:43.32 | PerfDave | no-id: man ln |
| 12:43.54 | sobersabre | jim if you own more than 1 pyhsical disks your situation is possible. |
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| 12:44.02 | b0ef | I'm planning on getting the 30" widescreen, http://www.apple.com/displays, but unsure as to wether I can adjust the monitor with libre software. It seems it does every adjustements in software. Anyone have any experience? |
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| 12:44.11 | jim | I do |
| 12:46.02 | petemc | i wish i had experience with a 30" mac display |
| 12:46.02 | b0ef | s/wether/wheter/ |
| 12:46.02 | b0ef | yeah, it's wicked |
| 12:46.02 | directhex|work | b0ef, what adjustments? the image is always in the right place because it's fed from DVI. brightness & contrast should be done in software. |
| 12:46.02 | jim | in fact I have a third one I could use in a pinch... the second drive is just for the postgres database |
| 12:46.02 | sobersabre | jmcaricand: did u get my point? |
| 12:46.03 | abrocadabro | in dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base I chose autosave, after I rebooted the machine, my card is still muted |
| 12:46.03 | abrocadabro | any ideas? |
| 12:46.03 | b0ef | directhex|work: mk, but does x f.ex have brightness and contrast controls? |
| 12:46.03 | sobersabre | abrocadabro: run alsamixer |
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| 12:46.03 | sobersabre | then run "man alsactl" |
| 12:46.03 | directhex|work | b0ef, nvidia-settings does, and you won't be driving a dual-dvi display from an old s3 trio |
| 12:46.08 | FieldySnuts | @ops MorG is onjoin msg spamming |
| 12:46.11 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MorG is onjoin msg spamming |
| 12:46.16 | jim | I see what you're suggesting... but my situation is a little weird: I can't boot from floppy or cdrom right nwo' |
| 12:46.22 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: onjoin msg spammer for you, MorG |
| 12:46.26 | jim | but I can boot from disk |
| 12:46.30 | abrocadabro | sobersabre: I'll have a look at alsactl, I ran alsamixer already BTW |
| 12:46.30 | directhex|work | !rube goldberg install |
| 12:46.30 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 12:46.39 | b0ef | directhex|work: yes, I'll be driving this with a r280 single link dvi in 1280x800/1920x1200 |
| 12:46.56 | b0ef | I've looked at the blur, and it's acceptible for a short term solution |
| 12:47.03 | sobersabre | dpkg: is there a linux 2.6 punchcard reader drivers ? |
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| 12:47.22 | jim | a network card I have, the machine is on the net, and it boots into a lobotomized debian |
| 12:47.25 | directhex|work | b0ef, that's quite, quite hideous. |
| 12:47.39 | jim | so it's not quite so bad as Rube's situatino |
| 12:47.59 | b0ef | directhex|work: sure, but as long as there is no card out there that has dual dvi and is supported with libre software, I don't have much choice |
| 12:48.46 | jim | so instead of having the bot tease me with old jokes, howbout helping me? :) |
| 12:48.58 | Delph | jim: but it's more fun that way. |
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| 12:49.08 | jim | for you maybe :P |
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| 12:49.23 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: tease jim |
| 12:49.27 | directhex|work | b0ef, so get a smalle rscreen better suited to your ideals |
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| 12:49.55 | sobersabre | guys, anybody ran java on ia64 ? |
| 12:50.02 | b0ef | directhex|work: no, I'm getting this one as soon as I confirm I'm able to run it |
| 12:50.07 | b0ef | ;) |
| 12:50.11 | jmcaricand | jim: I have one physical disk. Under Debian et Slackware I must reboot my box. I'm suprised. Under Gentoo I can use mkfs after create a new partition with cfdisk. |
| 12:50.39 | abrocadabro | sobersabre:alsactl doesn't really tell you how to automatically load the saved setting |
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| 12:50.48 | jim | jmcaricand: this is while partitions are mounted? |
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| 12:51.23 | jim | different version maybe |
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| 12:51.27 | jmcaricand | jim: yes |
| 12:51.33 | FieldySnuts | hdparm -z /dev/whatever re-reads the partition table, or at least I think it was z. man hdparm |
| 12:51.38 | XunII | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tq5Vfo75.html <--- what is wrong and how should i correct it? |
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| 12:52.05 | directhex|work | b0ef, man xgamma |
| 12:52.05 | PerfDave | !tell XunII -about further help |
| 12:52.07 | jmcaricand | <FieldySnuts>: ok I test hdparm -z |
| 12:52.22 | b0ef | directhex|work: nice;) |
| 12:52.25 | XunII | PerfDave ? |
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| 12:52.43 | XunII | oo, PM :) |
| 12:52.44 | jim | XunII: where are you trying to log in from? |
| 12:52.59 | XunII | ssh |
| 12:53.05 | XunII | windows, putty |
| 12:53.06 | directhex|work | b0ef, i still think buying the most expensive 30" screen on the market to run it at an unpleasant non-native resolution is stupid, though |
| 12:53.16 | b0ef | directhex|work: I've also seen some reports about not able to initialize the monitor at boot up (out of sync). The display comes up when x starts. Heard about this? |
| 12:53.18 | jim | maybe the ssh server is denying root logins |
| 12:53.22 | jmcaricand | <FieldySnuts> hdparm said me : Device or resource busy |
| 12:53.24 | XunII | PerfDave Im going to my summerplace in only one hour, and I want it to be working utnill then :/ |
| 12:53.33 | b0ef | directhex|work: yes, but I'll get a card once one is supported with libre software |
| 12:53.37 | XunII | jim dosent work with regular user either |
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| 12:53.42 | FieldySnuts | eh, don't log in as root via ssh (it's disable usually anyway), log in as a normal user who is in the wheel group, and su - to root |
| 12:53.49 | FieldySnuts | or not |
| 12:54.08 | directhex|work | b0ef, no, i haven't heard anything along those lines, but i don't know many people who would want to buy a screen at that cost to run it at the resolution of a screen 1/4 the size |
| 12:54.16 | XunII | FieldySnuts okay, i use to do that, but it still dosent work :( |
| 12:54.31 | FieldySnuts | no clue then |
| 12:55.00 | now3d | hi, MorG send me porn spam when i join this channel |
| 12:55.15 | kneet | debians gaim package - can you make it see plugins _also_ under /usr/local? |
| 12:55.15 | b0ef | directhex|work: I get your point;), no doubt, but it's not possible to run this lcd in native resolution today (with free software) |
| 12:55.15 | XunII | :( thx anyway FieldySnuts |
| 12:55.19 | now3d | is this a kick offfsense? |
| 12:55.32 | fester | Hi, if i past a large apt-get error into #flood could somone please help me to work out witch part is my actual problem. Thanks |
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| 12:56.00 | FieldySnuts | now3d: yes, i know, i told the ops and an oper already once, no action |
| 12:56.12 | FieldySnuts | i guess it's allowed |
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| 12:56.17 | jim | now3d: someone around here is an op probably... find and send logs that have timestampped lines |
| 12:56.18 | sussudio | Geert: could you possibly kline MorG? |
| 12:56.19 | directhex|work | b0ef, you could get TWO cards with dvi, then do some kind of dirty xinerama nonsense to make it run normally? no idea if that would actually work. apple still only have 1 card in their screen minimum spec |
| 12:56.40 | jim | there's no klines here ;) it would be a gline |
| 12:57.02 | now3d | jim: FieldlySnuts : could you tell me the email address to report this to please? |
| 12:57.10 | Geert | sussudio: whatfor? |
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| 12:57.11 | FieldySnuts | uce@ftc.gov? heck if I know |
| 12:57.15 | FieldySnuts | Geert: /cycle |
| 12:57.16 | sussudio | Geert: being one of them spambots |
| 12:57.24 | jim | looks like it's being dealt with now |
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| 12:57.40 | FieldySnuts | kinda lame a chanop didn't take care of it |
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| 12:58.10 | b0ef | directhex|work: I don't care about this resolution issue now, I only care about running it in 1280x800/1920x1200 and if it actually boots up without out-of-sync |
| 12:58.13 | sussudio | Geert: ktnx |
| 12:58.14 | FieldySnuts | thanks. |
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| 12:58.20 | jim | yep, I got it |
| 12:58.23 | LaidBack_01 | anyone in here know much about XEN virtualization? |
| 12:58.36 | jim | MorG http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 12:58.36 | jim | * MorG has quit (Client Quit) |
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| 12:58.44 | jim | the bot said that to me |
| 12:58.44 | FieldySnuts | thanks for assisting his spamming. |
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| 12:58.50 | LaidBack_01 | lol |
| 12:58.57 | sussudio | ... |
| 12:59.13 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: irritate jim |
| 12:59.16 | ravenbird | $1: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 ????? |
| 12:59.16 | now3d | jim: is there anyone on the channel who can ban that hosname from the channel? |
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| 12:59.20 | FieldySnuts | $1? wtf? |
| 12:59.38 | ricky_clarkson | @literal cmd: irritate (.*?) |
| 12:59.47 | jim | now3d: if he glines him, that wouldn't be necessary |
| 13:00.00 | FieldySnuts | jim: are you slow or just lagged, he's long gone, it's over |
| 13:00.20 | now3d | Could someone direct me to an FAQ or any info how to get sound working on debian please? |
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| 13:00.37 | directhex|work | b0ef, i simply do not know the answer - but considering how often the rv280 in this machine fails to drive a simple 17" screen, i'd wonder how many problems are related to the rv280, the r200 driver in general, or something like that |
| 13:00.38 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: literal cmd: irritate (.*?) |
| 13:00.38 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:00.42 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 13:00.49 | jim | FieldySnuts: I think your comment would be better directed at who I answered :) |
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| 13:01.07 | sussudio | !irritate ravenbird |
| 13:01.08 | dpkg | ravenbird: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 13:01.09 | jim | I guess that would be your slowness in following the thread of conversations :) |
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| 13:01.14 | FieldySnuts | nice |
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| 13:01.33 | now3d | I have sound by default set into 6channel mode, so I can put speakers in the 5/6 channels and listen to quiet music there, but not sure how to configure it in 2 speaker mode |
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| 13:01.57 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Looks like you just figured out why to put sussudio on ignore. |
| 13:02.03 | b0ef | directhex|work: hmm, I don't have problems with my rv280 at all. What sort of problems you experiencing? |
| 13:02.44 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 13:03.15 | pinu | hi guys..i have this problem....when I do transfers to the loop aes encrypted hdds the system gets unstable and crashes ,and he gives me that in the logs out .. |
| 13:03.28 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 13:03.31 | pinu | http://rafb.net/paste/results/WmOjPE49.html |
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| 13:03.46 | jim | hmm, not only can I not boot a cdrom at the moment on that box, I also can't read one... otherwise I'd get one of those netinst cds |
| 13:03.56 | ricky_clarkson | !call sussudio a fucktard |
| 13:03.57 | dpkg | You're a complete and utter fucktard, sussudio. You have great fucktardness, sussudio, you really do. Some might say you were born to be a fucktard. |
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| 13:04.19 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: just compaqsmite him and be done with it |
| 13:04.24 | jim | live to fucktard!! |
| 13:04.32 | jim | fucktard to live!! |
| 13:05.16 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: compaqsmite who? |
| 13:05.17 | pinu | can someone help me whith my problem.. :/ |
| 13:05.40 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: you might have the person on ignore, nevermind |
| 13:06.23 | jim | and dpkg too evidently |
| 13:06.23 | FieldySnuts | i didn't notice him slip back in |
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| 13:06.26 | now3d | anyone got working alsa audio with sarge? |
| 13:06.36 | jim | sure |
| 13:06.39 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: After an extensible "ricky_clarkson likes crabpaste" session from sussudio, I did a "yo mom" joke and he took real offence. |
| 13:06.45 | ricky_clarkson | s/extensible/extensive/ |
| 13:06.48 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: poor baby. |
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| 13:07.03 | FieldySnuts | what the hell's crab paste anyway, some euro thing? |
| 13:07.22 | stew | !Wikifaq now3d UseSoundCard |
| 13:07.23 | dpkg | now3d: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:07.32 | now3d | FiedlySnuts: heh, i had it in Japan |
| 13:07.41 | FieldySnuts | fine, but what is it |
| 13:07.41 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: it's something the lower classes in England fight over. It's their caviar. |
| 13:07.47 | FieldySnuts | oh okay |
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| 13:08.26 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 13:08.27 | now3d | stew: thanks |
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| 13:08.59 | FieldySnuts | what's the difference between an elephant and a female student at MSU? about 50 pounds. |
| 13:09.27 | petemc | *bam* |
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| 13:10.11 | jim | what's msu? and why are you trying to troll them? :) |
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| 13:10.36 | FieldySnuts | i bet a lot of beer or a burning couch/car after a football game would do it, too |
| 13:11.33 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: fyi, I've never seen a tin of crabpaste. |
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| 13:12.36 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: shag crab paste |
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| 13:13.10 | directhex|work | b0ef, massive graphical corruption, framebuffer console feeding bad display data, system freezing, etc. |
| 13:13.23 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: ati card? |
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| 13:13.28 | elirips | hi people. is it possible to tell linux to shut down harddisk if they aren't used for a specific amount of time? if yes, what would be the keyword i have to go after? |
| 13:13.30 | dpkg | Many greetings, people. is it possible to tell linux to shut down harddisk if they aren't used for a specific amount of time? if yes, what would be the keyword i have to go after, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:13.34 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, YES! |
| 13:13.51 | FieldySnuts | elirips: there's some daemon for that, damn i forget what it's called though, someone here probably knows |
| 13:13.51 | directhex|work | FieldySnuts, there's a reason all my linux boxes at home run nvidia |
| 13:13.58 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: same. |
| 13:13.59 | stew | !crabpastesmite FieldySnuts |
| 13:14.04 | FieldySnuts | ow |
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| 13:15.04 | elirips | FieldySnuts: thanks. |
| 13:15.14 | elirips | nobody knows the name of that daemon by chance right now? |
| 13:15.16 | dpkg | nobody is awake, knows the name of that daemon by chance right now |
| 13:15.23 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 13:16.32 | b0ef | directhex|work: at bootup, what resolution will the bios put the monitor in? |
| 13:16.39 | petemc | but, but, but, nvidia is bad |
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| 13:17.02 | takatumi | and I'm just about happy with ati. |
| 13:17.18 | FieldySnuts | must be very very easily pleased |
| 13:17.18 | b0ef | I don't have these issues, probably because I've disabled framebuffer for the time being |
| 13:17.30 | directhex|work | b0ef, 1280x1024. |
| 13:17.39 | paulswm | I'm happy with ATI, too |
| 13:17.42 | ricky_clarkson | nobody knows that dpkg is stupid? |
| 13:17.55 | FieldySnuts | "nobody knows the" ? |
| 13:18.06 | ricky_clarkson | nobody knows the bot that is stupid, called dpkg? |
| 13:18.07 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: not heavy on the games and xorg provides native dri, so it'll do. |
| 13:18.14 | directhex|work | for the discerning linux gamer, ati is just plain ass |
| 13:18.16 | FieldySnuts | the name? |
| 13:18.27 | FieldySnuts | directhex|work: amen |
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| 13:18.33 | b0ef | directhex|work: you mean the bios will initialize the card in 1280x1024?. That don't seem right |
| 13:18.44 | paulswm | Well, I'm not a gamer and do mostly text stuff anyway |
| 13:18.57 | b0ef | I'm a hardcore gamer, but I don't trade my freedom for anything |
| 13:19.00 | directhex|work | b0ef, no, the bios runs in whatever standard text console is texty and consoley. thge vga= line in menu.lst demands a 1280x1024 console. |
| 13:19.05 | FieldySnuts | want a 2MB trident i have laying around? |
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| 13:19.18 | FieldySnuts | b0ef: yeah, so you boot windows to play games (cough freedom) |
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| 13:19.42 | FieldySnuts | wee bath time ! |
| 13:19.49 | b0ef | directhex|work: sure, I know about the framebuffer, but I'm interested in what the bios puts the card and monitor in |
| 13:20.01 | b0ef | FieldySnuts: no, I don't use proprietary software |
| 13:20.11 | b0ef | of any kind |
| 13:20.18 | paulswm | I chose my ATI card because I have freedom of choice and it works for me. |
| 13:20.23 | b0ef | execpt something inside the chips on my computer |
| 13:20.31 | FieldySnuts | yet you're a hardcore gamer. righto mate, none of those games are proprietary |
| 13:20.41 | FieldySnuts | leave me alone, it's bath time. |
| 13:20.46 | zeeble | err, you chose only because you have a freedom of choice. |
| 13:20.49 | b0ef | paulswm: I'm also a saint in the church of emacs; pleased to meet you;) |
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| 13:21.04 | directhex|work | emacs? well, there goes your credibility |
| 13:21.05 | CD | :> |
| 13:21.11 | b0ef | FieldySnuts: I use cube and crystalspace for gaming |
| 13:21.14 | unused | :> |
| 13:21.26 | paulswm | b0ef: Arrgh, emacs, http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
| 13:21.35 | fester | hi, can i apt-get a source pacage? |
| 13:21.43 | directhex|work | cube and crystalspace are far from 'hardcore gaming' |
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| 13:21.52 | zeeble | fester: of course. |
| 13:21.53 | directhex|work | fester, apt-get source foo |
| 13:22.10 | b0ef | paulswm: hehe |
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| 13:22.51 | zeeble | the vi man gets the brunettes, the emacs people get the blondes? |
| 13:23.25 | directhex|work | who gets the singaporean schoolgirls? |
| 13:23.32 | sussudio | godzilla |
| 13:23.42 | b0ef | zeeble: hehe, yeah |
| 13:23.45 | FieldySnuts | mothra |
| 13:23.45 | paulswm | b0ef: :P j/k of course |
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| 13:23.56 | sussudio | mydaus meliceps |
| 13:24.01 | zeeble | FieldySnuts: how long does it take you to get to the shower? :p |
| 13:24.05 | FieldySnuts | blaireau? |
| 13:24.10 | FieldySnuts | zeeble: what shower |
| 13:24.13 | directhex|work | !dachs FieldySnuts |
| 13:24.14 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 13:24.16 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
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| 13:24.30 | fester | directhex|work thanks and that starts compiling when its done? |
| 13:24.31 | zeeble | dirty boi |
| 13:24.34 | sussudio | !boeni directhex|work |
| 13:24.34 | dpkg | directhex|work: Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Madarch Madarch Boeni Boeni Boeni Boeni Neidr O 'i S Neidr! |
| 13:24.42 | directhex|work | fester, no. that gets source. |
| 13:24.51 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau directhex|work |
| 13:24.52 | ravenbird | directhex|work: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 13:24.59 | FieldySnuts | god how many of these are there |
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| 13:25.09 | directhex|work | fester, i think apt-get source --build or something does that, man apt-get. or install apt-build which gives greater control over compilation flags |
| 13:25.10 | petemc | all equally boring |
| 13:25.17 | FieldySnuts | poor baby |
| 13:25.45 | sussudio | !broc petemc |
| 13:25.45 | dpkg | ENOUGH! |
| 13:25.50 | FieldySnuts | oh lame |
| 13:25.54 | sussudio | dpkg: fuck g4lt, wherever he is |
| 13:26.07 | SkippedySkop | Permission denied: /web/website/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable. There is no .htaccess file? |
| 13:26.19 | FieldySnuts | you tell us |
| 13:26.26 | FieldySnuts | otherwise chmod o+r it |
| 13:26.29 | sussudio | .spoon ? |
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| 13:26.44 | SkippedySkop | no i am saying, there isn't one |
| 13:26.45 | FieldySnuts | or irritate #apache with it |
| 13:26.50 | SkippedySkop | ahh better |
| 13:26.56 | SkippedySkop | cool |
| 13:27.58 | zeeble | then create your .htaccess |
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| 13:28.07 | zeeble | with whatever you want in it |
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| 13:28.46 | FieldySnuts | i haven't seen that error in apache when the htaccess file didn't even exist, only when it did, and wasn't readable to the apache daemon |
| 13:29.03 | FieldySnuts | unless it's a really strange core config, shrug |
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| 13:30.43 | FieldySnuts | now let's move onto something ruder: wankle rotary engine. |
| 13:31.08 | directhex|work | ooh, sounds exciting |
| 13:31.18 | eye69 | Mazda++ |
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| 13:33.07 | jasx | hi, i've been trying to use apt to install some packages, but i continuously get an error "files list file for package `base-config' is missing final newline" |
| 13:33.13 | fester | directhex|work Thanks for that! |
| 13:33.40 | jasx | any ideas what could be causing the error? i've searched/read docs but to no avail |
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| 13:36.03 | XunII | tihi, i love dpkg :) |
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| 13:36.22 | stew | !love XunII |
| 13:36.26 | Bigup | hello |
| 13:36.30 | XunII | :P |
| 13:36.43 | XunII | of 822 ppl only he could help me :) he is a nice guy |
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| 13:36.49 | ralf_ | hi |
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| 13:37.01 | ralf_ | i've got a question here... |
| 13:37.08 | ricky_clarkson | Where? |
| 13:37.11 | ricky_clarkson | I can't see it. |
| 13:37.18 | ralf_ | is it possible to install debian on a 128 HD? |
| 13:37.23 | ralf_ | 128MB |
| 13:37.54 | PerfDave | ralf_: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 13:38.03 | ricky_clarkson | ralf_: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/m68k/ch03s04.html.en |
| 13:38.40 | Bigup | when i upgrade my system with apt, packages add startup scripts to the sysv-init... can i tell apt to not touch my sysv config ? |
| 13:38.48 | stew | ralf_: definately not sarge, possibly woody but i doubt it |
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| 13:39.39 | ralf_ | do you guys know any linux distri that i could use for lirc/mp3 playing? |
| 13:39.49 | ricky_clarkson | do the bartman |
| 13:40.31 | directhex|work | lirc is the devil |
| 13:40.51 | ricky_clarkson | ralf_: Do you know any that you *can't* use for those? |
| 13:40.59 | ralf_ | well... |
| 13:40.59 | stew | what is up with dpkg this morning? |
| 13:41.16 | kneet | not enough dried frog pills |
| 13:41.17 | ricky_clarkson | There's a strange new 'feature' in blootbot's source. |
| 13:41.25 | jasx | also, sort of random question, is there any linux app that lets you download the contents of an http directory based on a wildcard, when directory listing isn't allowed via http? |
| 13:41.33 | ricky_clarkson | I'm guessing it's heading towards bug rather than feature right now. |
| 13:41.59 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, wait, did he write that or dancer or both? |
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| 13:42.16 | stew | or someone frobbed the "be annoying" switch in dpkg's config |
| 13:42.21 | Bigup | can i tell apt to not modify my rc.d config ? |
| 13:42.49 | stew | ricky_clarkson: written by tim riker, but assuffield is a current developer, i believe |
| 13:43.01 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Nice typo. |
| 13:43.07 | stew | ewps |
| 13:43.32 | stew | Bigup: you did 'apt-get upgrade' and new init scripts showed up? which? |
| 13:43.51 | stew | Bigup: dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:45.00 | Bigup | yes |
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| 13:45.30 | stew | Bigup: which? |
| 13:45.40 | Bigup | dist-upgrade |
| 13:45.53 | ricky_clarkson | "Would you like the TV left on or off?" "Yes." *kill!!!* |
| 13:46.18 | Bigup | all startups scripts are added with priority 20, and i have to remove them |
| 13:46.27 | stew | Bigup: i doubt there is a way to prevent that |
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| 13:46.28 | tzafrir_home | any RTFM on creating a local apt source? I currently have a set of scripts to do that, but they're too complicated. Specifically: Is there a simple way to use only the "latest version" from my build dir |
| 13:46.35 | Bigup | how ? |
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| 13:47.30 | stew | tzafrir_home: /msg dpkg repository howto ; if i'm understanding you correctly |
| 13:47.58 | Bigup | and you know, for me, there is no good sysv-init editor so its hard to reconfigure all the runlevels ... |
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| 13:49.00 | Bigup | i use ksysv, i'm planning to add to ksysv the possibility to copy a runlevel config to another |
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| 13:49.43 | manas | I want to set up a local debian repositary from 14 sarge CDs that I currently have. How do I do that? |
| 13:49.44 | Bigup | no sysv-init editors are easy to use.. |
| 13:50.24 | stew | Bigup: have you tried update-rc.d? |
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| 13:50.34 | stew | Bigup: ksysv, what is that a kde based editor? |
| 13:50.41 | stew | !info ksysv |
| 13:50.44 | dpkg | ksysv: (KDE SysV-style init configuration editor), section admin, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 151 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 13:50.48 | stew | cripes |
| 13:50.54 | asg | manas: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=97 |
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| 13:51.10 | asg | manas: and /msg dpkg repository |
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| 13:53.13 | js_ | do dhcp servers normally cache mac addresses? |
| 13:53.23 | directhex|work | usually. |
| 13:53.26 | stew | yes |
| 13:54.03 | js_ | right, so that explains why switching nic and getting a new ip, and then switching back gives me the same ip as i had before the first switch |
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| 13:57.51 | inc|freaky | i luv debian ;D |
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| 13:58.29 | inc|freaky | system up to date - everything working but my quickcam :D |
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| 14:01.32 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Logitech Quickcam USB? |
| 14:01.39 | sussudio | !badgercam |
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| 14:01.40 | dpkg | http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/webcams/badger_wildlink_cam.shtml...for when you have way too much free time |
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| 14:01.49 | PerfDave | !badgercam =~ |
| 14:01.58 | manas | those tell you how to set up trivial/non-trivial repositaries. My problem is that I have very low b/w, 14 sarge CDs and lots of HDD space. I want to make a rep from those CDs. Any tools, scripts or howtos about doing that? |
| 14:02.04 | PerfDave | !badgercam =~ s/\.\.\./ .../ |
| 14:02.04 | dpkg | that doesn't contain '\.\.\.', PerfDave |
| 14:02.04 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: yea |
| 14:02.16 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: module-assistant auto-install qce-source |
| 14:02.23 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: i wish you pain |
| 14:02.41 | PerfDave | manas: apt-move |
| 14:02.42 | sussudio | !badgercam =~ s/...for when you have way too much free time// |
| 14:02.42 | dpkg | OK, sussudio |
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| 14:03.01 | manas | PerfDave: I perform an apt-move on all CDs? |
| 14:03.23 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: it says: /usr/src/modules/qce*: No such file or directory |
| 14:03.25 | daft_ | who do i remove gnome? |
| 14:03.28 | inc|freaky | and that it failed |
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| 14:03.54 | Gul | after the last apt-get upgrade i get warning for the mysql clients: $ mysql |
| 14:03.54 | Gul | mysql: Symbol `sql_protocol_typelib' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
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| 14:04.08 | Gul | how can i fix that? |
| 14:04.19 | ricky_clarkson | daft_: aptitude remove gnome |
| 14:04.27 | SlayerXP | Gul: file a bug report |
| 14:04.47 | sussudio | !fix Gul |
| 14:04.53 | daft_ | aptitude? |
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| 14:05.07 | SunDevil | can someone help me with a logrotation issue? |
| 14:05.09 | Gul | SlayerXP: where can i do that? |
| 14:05.17 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: That's very strange. |
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| 14:05.22 | stew | Gul: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:05.24 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: It's always worked first time for me. |
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| 14:05.31 | SlayerXP | Gul: what stew said |
| 14:05.39 | stew | SunDevil: ask a question |
| 14:05.44 | Gul | stew: thank you |
| 14:05.46 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: :( i have not plugged it in while booting |
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| 14:05.59 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: It shouldn't matter. |
| 14:06.01 | inc|freaky | *had |
| 14:06.17 | inc|freaky | PerfDave: hmm :( im always one of those where everything needs special things |
| 14:06.35 | inc|freaky | like mdk wont even install on my system |
| 14:06.59 | inc|freaky | thats y i chose debian and im happy ;D |
| 14:07.35 | SunDevil | i have a daily backup i want to rotate daily. 7 in total and then rotate 1 file weekly. |
| 14:07.53 | SunDevil | but i cannot specify the same file twice in logrotate.conf |
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| 14:09.02 | PerfDave | inc|freaky: Well, I've got a logitech USB quickcam, and module-assistant sorted it out for me with no problems. |
| 14:09.03 | mcben | hi all |
| 14:09.05 | stew | SunDevil: hmm have you tried specifying it twice in logrotate.d? |
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| 14:09.09 | SunDevil | but i cannot specify the same file twice in logrotate.conf |
| 14:09.24 | inc|freaky | i didnt install any quickcam stuff before |
| 14:09.33 | SunDevil | i figured id do a "file.tar daily" and "file.1.tar weekly" |
| 14:09.38 | stew | SunDevil: does that mean you want to take the seven dailies and make on big weekly out of them? |
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| 14:09.51 | SunDevil | stew: no, just keep one daily for a week |
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| 14:10.26 | SunDevil | nieuwbiref |
| 14:10.34 | spo0nman | SunDevil: you are not making any sense... |
| 14:10.38 | mcben | does anybody know how to install the ati proprietary driver ? |
| 14:10.43 | SunDevil | sorry wrong win |
| 14:10.53 | directhex|work | yes. 1) google for 'flavio ati', 2) follow instructions |
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| 14:10.57 | shingoki | whats the least bad way to install realplayer? rpm with alien? |
| 14:11.00 | directhex|work | 3) get mad that it sucks, buy an nvidia |
| 14:11.05 | mcben | the fglrx kernel module seams to load properly, but xfree does'nt |
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| 14:11.13 | shingoki | mcben, yeah it won't actually work ;) |
| 14:11.23 | SunDevil | spo0nman: i want to be able to go back for 7 days daily and then with weekly steps so i can keep a months worth of backups withour space problems |
| 14:11.28 | mcben | shingoki: really ? |
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| 14:11.42 | stew | SunDevil: do the dailys with logrotate and the weekly with a cronjob maybe |
| 14:11.43 | shingoki | mcben, well, I never got mine working, and I've tried on multiple distros, multiple times |
| 14:11.47 | mcben | shingoki: with the new ati release, that's it ? |
| 14:11.50 | shingoki | mcben, but good luck |
| 14:11.53 | directhex|work | mcben, fglrx is utter utter shit. |
| 14:12.01 | directhex|work | mcben, you've followed my 3 step plan? |
| 14:12.15 | mcben | directhex|work: yes, i prefer nvidia, but it's for a friend |
| 14:12.19 | shingoki | mcben, ati basically just cat random into a file, package it as a driver, and give it to you |
| 14:12.28 | shingoki | mcben, you will end up throwing things at the wall |
| 14:12.30 | mcben | shingoki: :-D |
| 14:12.34 | directhex|work | to be fair, they use urandom |
| 14:12.36 | PerfDave | "Friends don't let friends use ATI" |
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| 14:12.38 | shingoki | :) |
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| 14:12.50 | spo0nman | SunDevil: write a cron to tar all the daily logs leaving todays and remove them |
| 14:12.59 | shingoki | although someone told me that the radeon 8500/9100 work well with the open drivers |
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| 14:13.15 | mcben | ok, forget ati driver. How to have big desktop xinerama (2 monitor) without the propietary driver ? |
| 14:13.16 | spo0nman | i gtg... b33r time.. |
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| 14:13.28 | trogger | suppose I want to make a copy of a live debian installation on another computer. what would be the best way of transferring this to another computer on the lan? |
| 14:13.32 | shingoki | mcben, buy a cheap nvidia? |
| 14:13.41 | shingoki | mcben, or maybe the 8500/9100 will do it |
| 14:13.51 | mcben | shingoki: you make me laugh, but you don't answer ;-) |
| 14:13.51 | PerfDave | trogger: replicator, or just copy dpkg --get-selections and feed it to dpkg --set-selections on the other machine |
| 14:14.00 | shingoki | mcben, I did just try there ;) |
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| 14:14.07 | directhex|work | spo0nman, "well", for small values of "well". |
| 14:14.15 | mcben | it's a 9500pro |
| 14:14.26 | shingoki | mcben, unless you are willing to work for less than minimum wage, you will save money and tears and hair just buying another card and using that |
| 14:14.33 | shingoki | so its not even a good card |
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| 14:14.50 | directhex|work | the 9500pro is a pretty good card for its age |
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| 14:14.59 | shingoki | workl out what say 8 hours of work will cost you, and spend that on a new card |
| 14:15.00 | directhex|work | better than the r200 by a long way |
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| 14:15.42 | mcben | it's for a friend, he just discover linux |
| 14:15.48 | shingoki | check first, but I think nvidia will be fine for the 2 screen thing, it will certainly work great for 3D when you work out how to install it |
| 14:16.09 | trogger | PerfDave: thanks - I'm thinking a backup of that machine, for that machine however - so I'd rather just grab a bitwise copy. |
| 14:16.18 | shingoki | mcben, yeah I'm just saying, you will be better going and doing some work and making some money and buying a card that will work |
| 14:16.27 | mcben | shingoki: are you an ATI shareholders ? |
| 14:16.32 | shingoki | rather than donating time to your friend that will not actually make the card work |
| 14:16.41 | PerfDave | trogger: Sorry, I thought you meant replicating the install, rather than backing it up. |
| 14:16.49 | PerfDave | trogger: partimage might be a good way to achieve that. |
| 14:16.57 | trogger | PerfDave: no, that's ok - thanks for your advice. I'll check out partimage. |
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| 14:17.04 | shingoki | mcben, I think ati make quite nice cards and then forget they need drivers, and I think they should stop pretending they have linux drivers |
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| 14:17.38 | shingoki | and stop announcing that "they work now, really they do, honestly, not like the last ten times we said they would work without actually fixing them" |
| 14:17.39 | dings | Any idea how i can make sed match newlines? I'm trying "s/\n//" without success. |
| 14:17.53 | trogger | dings: bash will eat the first \, so use \\ |
| 14:17.56 | greycat | dings: Just Don't. |
| 14:18.11 | greycat | sed and newlines mix like Windows and Unix. |
| 14:18.19 | ricky_clarkson | trogger: it won't if you use '' instead of "" |
| 14:18.29 | shingoki | hey ricky_clarkson! |
| 14:18.30 | mcben | shingoki: i will try flavio how to |
| 14:18.37 | trogger | ricky_clarkson: this is a good alternative, yes. |
| 14:18.37 | shingoki | mcben, good luck |
| 14:18.41 | mcben | we'll see |
| 14:18.48 | greycat | if you JUST want to delete newlines (s/\n//) then use this: tr -d '\n' |
| 14:18.54 | directhex|work | to be fair, i eventually got a 9800xt working using the flavio guides |
| 14:19.05 | directhex|work | it was only 33% slower than a geforce 4 ti4200 |
| 14:19.07 | shingoki | directhex|work, wow, well done |
| 14:19.10 | paulswm | !win greycat |
| 14:19.11 | shingoki | heh |
| 14:19.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:19.21 | mcben | in fact, i don't understand why kernel module loads properly, but not xfree |
| 14:19.23 | shingoki | so about 1/10th the speed it should be... |
| 14:19.23 | ricky_clarkson | shingoki: Why-eye, mon. Hoo y'dooen? |
| 14:19.33 | paulswm | People, including me, often forget about tr |
| 14:19.40 | mcben | is ther any patch against xfree debian version to apply before . |
| 14:19.42 | mcben | ? |
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| 14:19.48 | shingoki | ricky_clarkson, gah, geordiness! fine thanks ;) |
| 14:20.03 | dings | greycat: how should I remove newlines from a file then? |
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| 14:20.17 | ricky_clarkson | = 14:19:04 < greycat> if you JUST want to delete newlines (s/\n//) then use this: tr -d '\n' |
| 14:20.26 | greycat | dings: tr -d '\n' <file >newfile && mv newfile file |
| 14:20.27 | directhex|work | mcben, have you even read your xfree logs? |
| 14:20.28 | ricky_clarkson | dings: Hello? Anybody there? |
| 14:20.37 | directhex|work | mcben, oh, and using alien on the ati .deb is a guaranteed systemfuck |
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| 14:21.12 | stew | dings: or perl -pi -e 's/\n//' filename |
| 14:21.24 | shingoki | Anyone know the least bad way to install realplayer then? is there a package to do the install from rpm or bin? |
| 14:21.31 | shingoki | or alien? or just run the bin? |
| 14:21.32 | trogger | directhex|work: you mean rpm ? |
| 14:21.39 | mcben | directhex|work: alien ? happy to know it. I've tried another guide that extract rpm with cpio. |
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| 14:21.52 | mcben | directhex|work: that's perhaps the clue.. |
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| 14:22.14 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 14:22.26 | shingoki | lol |
| 14:22.30 | greycat | directhex|work: sad, ain't it? you tell them "doing X is a guaranteed systemfuck" and they immediately thank you for telling them how to do X. |
| 14:22.32 | mcben | i try it and i come back... shingoki, directhex|work , thx |
| 14:22.40 | shingoki | mcben, ok let us know how it goes |
| 14:22.49 | shingoki | mcben, assuming you can still get into X... or boot... |
| 14:22.55 | peetah | what packages do i need if i want to use the mysql framework with c++ ? |
| 14:23.01 | kneet | so - what's the difference between dpkg, ravenbird and apt? |
| 14:23.15 | greycat | kneet: it takes three of them to satisfy our bot-lust. |
| 14:23.19 | zeeble | heh |
| 14:23.20 | kneet | heh |
| 14:23.21 | PerfDave | greycat: *uNf* |
| 14:23.22 | mcben | greycat: wow, it seems i didn't understand what he said.. |
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| 14:23.23 | shingoki | ewww, nasty mental image |
| 14:23.27 | dings | greycat: thanks |
| 14:23.32 | mcben | directhex|work: so alien or not alien ? |
| 14:23.37 | directhex|work | greycat, it's the human condition |
| 14:23.49 | directhex|work | mcben, absolutely fucking not. you may as well rm -rf / and get it over with |
| 14:23.56 | kneet | are all three blootbots? |
| 14:24.01 | greycat | kneet: yes |
| 14:24.02 | ricky_clarkson | I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien, I'm a newbie on IRC. |
| 14:24.03 | mcben | directhex|work: ok |
| 14:24.05 | joey_ | overnight my X has broken. Now it refuses connections ("Xlib: No protocol specified"). Did someone hack me?! |
| 14:24.09 | kneet | greycat, OK - thx |
| 14:24.19 | sussudio | joey_: yes. burn your computer. |
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| 14:24.27 | directhex|work | mcben, only _EVER_ follow flavio stanchina's guide, and even then you'll have a lot of stabbing in the dark related to AGP GART drivers |
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| 14:24.37 | abrotman | !ops aLBerT on join spam |
| 14:24.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aLBerT on join spam |
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| 14:24.57 | sussudio | joey_: also, like it says in the topic: knoppix is not debian. |
| 14:24.57 | abrotman | greycat: thanks |
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| 14:25.07 | daft_ | how can I set the default of startx? |
| 14:25.08 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: /umode +E |
| 14:25.11 | mcben | 3. |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: and what? |
| 14:25.16 | greycat | daft_: ~/.xsession |
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| 14:25.21 | daft_ | t |
| 14:25.22 | daft_ | y |
| 14:25.26 | greycat | !wikifaq daft_ DotFiles |
| 14:25.27 | dpkg | daft_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:25.27 | directhex|work | daft_, your default or system default? |
| 14:25.28 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: And then you won't receive messages from unregistered users. |
| 14:25.30 | joey_ | i never said i was using knoppix! anyway gotta bounce my X so cyall! |
| 14:25.49 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: right .. that doesn't help everyone else |
| 14:25.57 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: It helps you. |
| 14:26.08 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: And if everyone else gets the idea, it helps #debian. |
| 14:26.09 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: good .. i realize this .. doesn't help the rest of the people who join |
| 14:26.15 | mcben | directhex|work: what kind of problem with agp gart ? |
| 14:26.26 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: when you can get every newbie who comes in to do that .. then i will |
| 14:26.39 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: If you won't do it, then the newbies won't either. |
| 14:26.42 | greycat | mcben: whether to load the linux modules for it or not, etc. |
| 14:26.45 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: The newbies can complain too, btw. |
| 14:26.51 | greycat | mcben: lots of trial and error. |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: they just get excited they get free porn .. get real :) |
| 14:27.03 | directhex|work | mcben, a warning in your xfree86 log files from fglrx telling you it has a problem. |
| 14:27.09 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Fine. |
| 14:27.12 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: fine! |
| 14:27.19 | ricky_clarkson | !fine abrotman |
| 14:27.23 | directhex|work | mcben, and a lack of GLX |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | !fine ricky_clarkson |
| 14:27.29 | abrotman | :) |
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| 14:27.46 | mcben | hum.. is it a dream to install ati driver without recompile kernel driver and use debian image ? |
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| 14:27.58 | gudi | hi |
| 14:28.04 | greycat | mcben: if you succeed and can describe how to duplicate the result, document it. |
| 14:28.09 | ricky_clarkson | ¡No entiendo jajajaja!!111unouno¡! |
| 14:28.12 | gudi | im trying to make a costum debianinstaller with a few self made packages |
| 14:28.13 | mcben | 'cause now, my kernel module fglrx is loaded ! |
| 14:28.36 | trogger | packages that build themselves... now that's a good concept :p |
| 14:28.51 | gudi | i read the documentation and see that extra packages ca be installer with apt-install .. but where must is call it ? |
| 14:28.59 | mcben | Xfree juste said me that "Failed to load module fglrx (module does not exist)".. |
| 14:29.00 | directhex|work | mcben, no, it's normal to install fglrx against a debian image, as you'd know if you had read flavio stanchina's page. |
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| 14:29.13 | directhex|work | or even my own page where i also cover fglrx, albeit i wrote it months ago & the content is stale |
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| 14:29.32 | addNtoX | hi folks |
| 14:29.50 | mcben | directhex|work: i try flavio guide now. see u soon ,-) |
| 14:29.52 | directhex|work | mcben, that sounds a lot like you haven't got the xfree86 driver in the right place, which would come as a result of not following flavio stanchina's guide |
| 14:30.08 | directhex|work | could i be any more clear? ¬_¬ |
| 14:30.15 | gudi | noone ? |
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| 14:30.53 | greycat | gudi: try #debian-boot maybe. |
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| 14:31.19 | kneet | directhex|work, not easily |
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| 14:31.40 | flaviostanchina | DO AS I SAY!!! |
| 14:31.47 | directhex|work | how's that? |
| 14:31.56 | kneet | :-) |
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| 14:32.46 | KillerBunny | Anyone knows if psx -> usb joystick converters are supported under linux? |
| 14:32.53 | kneet | I now have zero idea what card to choose for the myth box I keep talking about |
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| 14:33.50 | directhex|work | kneet, my myth box has a £20 nvidia |
| 14:33.51 | KillerBunny | What card? |
| 14:33.56 | KillerBunny | gfx card? |
| 14:34.02 | directhex|work | KillerBunny, gamecube -> usb works fine |
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| 14:34.22 | KillerBunny | Okey, cause i found this 4 psx on one port thingy. |
| 14:34.27 | KillerBunny | So i hope it works. |
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| 14:34.48 | pinu | hi guys..i have this problem....when I do transfers to the loop aes encrypted hdds the system gets unstable and crashes ,and he gives me that in the logs out .. |
| 14:34.49 | kneet | directhex|work, could have guessed you'd have nvidia ;) |
| 14:34.52 | pinu | http://rafb.net/paste/results/WmOjPE49.html |
| 14:35.15 | KillerBunny | nvidia is good for myth imo. |
| 14:35.16 | directhex|work | kneet, mplayer with glx output plugin -> almost 0 cpu use |
| 14:35.24 | kneet | Sounding good |
| 14:35.48 | KillerBunny | but if you have a pv350 you might use the oncard tv-out instead. |
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| 14:36.36 | mcben | directhex|work: g++ not found when fakeroot debian/rules binary :/ |
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| 14:36.42 | directhex|work | !b-e mcben |
| 14:36.43 | dpkg | mcben: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 14:37.07 | Dominja | Need help ------> http://rafb.net/paste/results/a2rHiv24.html |
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| 14:37.23 | kneet | directhex|work, all I need now is to convince the wife :-) |
| 14:37.25 | rob^ | not again |
| 14:37.37 | no-id | how do you add a user to a certain group ? |
| 14:37.48 | petemc | adduser username groupname |
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| 14:37.53 | djo_boulo | hello |
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| 14:38.00 | directhex|work | kneet, a decent box is NOT cheap. |
| 14:38.03 | suifur | ello djace |
| 14:38.05 | suifur | oops |
| 14:38.07 | suifur | ello djo_boulo |
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| 14:38.13 | mcben | dpkg, directhex|work : good point for b-e -;) |
| 14:38.18 | cropped_7 | hi all |
| 14:38.22 | kneet | directhex|work, I know |
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| 14:38.31 | cropped_7 | can anyone help me with a one liner on how apt-get works? |
| 14:38.41 | cropped_7 | similar to BSD's ports? |
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| 14:39.01 | trogger | cropped_7: apt-get install package-name will download the required binary + dependencies and install. |
| 14:39.05 | ian2 | hiya debian folks. I have a computer, using wireless with a static ip. Its also acting as a router of sorts for two other boxes behind it. Now, the problem is, when its using this wireless with a static ip, for whatever reason, it doesnt do dns. when I do dhcp, it does. any suggestions? (I'd like to keep using this static ip...) |
| 14:39.14 | greycat | cropped_7: it's more like BSD *packages* than ports. |
| 14:39.18 | greycat | it's all precompiled. |
| 14:39.45 | trogger | ian2: echo nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:39.45 | directhex|work | apt-build install greycat |
| 14:39.45 | suifur | !tell cropped_7 about apt |
| 14:39.45 | ian2 | trogger: theyre all in there... |
| 14:39.45 | greycat | directhex|work: he said apt-get, not apt-build. |
| 14:39.52 | directhex|work | yeah yeah. apt-get source --build, then |
| 14:39.59 | suifur | hmmm not what i was watning to tell him lol |
| 14:39.59 | trogger | ian2: route add default gw xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ?? |
| 14:40.06 | Dominja | you can search a package with: apt-cache search "searchstring" |
| 14:40.12 | ian2 | trogger: gateways fine, I can ping my dns servers, just no lookups |
| 14:40.20 | suifur | cropped_7, something like "apt-get install <package>" or "apt-get remove <package>" |
| 14:40.23 | trogger | ian2: and /etc/resolv.conf is correct? |
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| 14:40.29 | cropped_7 | thanks a lot |
| 14:40.42 | ian2 | trogger: yup |
| 14:40.57 | ian2 | whats weirder, is if I install resolvconf package, then uninstall it, it works (o_O) |
| 14:40.58 | cropped_7 | further i'm having trouble with a promise 376 raid |
| 14:41.13 | cropped_7 | in the 2.6 kernel there's something like sata_raid module? |
| 14:41.19 | Dominja | Anybody working on my problem ===> http://rafb.net/paste/results/a2rHiv24.html ? :) |
| 14:41.30 | trogger | and if you directly compare the output of ifconfig both ways, it's the same? |
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| 14:42.03 | trogger | ian2: because if it is, and /etc/resolv.conf is identical, then I for one can't think of any possible difference. |
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| 14:42.33 | aboukensy | hey guys.. I currently use acidrip for my dvd-divx encoding.. Alot of the thing I rip have problems.. I was just wondering what a better one was? cheers (; |
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| 14:42.56 | suifur | aboukensy, DVD::Rip was pretty good last time i used it |
| 14:43.07 | aboukensy | sorry not dvd-divx, dvd-xvid |
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| 14:43.32 | hmmhesays | how do you check for conflicting irq's in debian? |
| 14:43.33 | directhex|work | dvd::rip is good for extracting the vobs, but i've had quality issues in the past. i prefer avidemux for the actual encode these days |
| 14:43.38 | greycat | hmmhesays: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 14:43.59 | directhex|work | then again, dvd::rip can run distributed, which may be desirable |
| 14:44.02 | ian2 | trogger: exactly the same, except for the address (duh), and the packets/bytes in/out (duh2) |
| 14:44.05 | greycat | directhex|work: does it make .ogm files too, or just .avi? |
| 14:44.13 | trogger | ian2: heh |
| 14:44.13 | hmmhesays | thanks |
| 14:44.19 | directhex|work | greycat, i haven't checked recently, just let me install it in my sarge chroot |
| 14:44.41 | aboukensy | does dvd::rip go straight to xvid? |
| 14:44.44 | trogger | ian2: I'm stumped. |
| 14:44.50 | directhex|work | aboukensy, as opposed to? |
| 14:44.53 | tzafrir_home | hmmhesays: grep , /proc/interrupts |
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| 14:45.00 | ian2 | trogger: me too, and thats Bad... |
| 14:45.07 | ian2 | well thanks for your help anyway =] |
| 14:45.08 | greycat | aboukensy: if you tell it to. |
| 14:45.11 | aboukensy | well acidrip just goes straight from dvd to xvid |
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| 14:45.15 | directhex|work | aboukensy, you can't technically go 'straight to xvid', xvid is a codec, it needs a container. and some audio also helps. plus, you want 2-pass encoding |
| 14:45.22 | trogger | ian2: do you have multiple nics? |
| 14:45.33 | ian2 | trogger: ath0, eth0, and plip0 |
| 14:45.39 | RichiH | directhex|work: details ;) |
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| 14:45.45 | trogger | ian2: it's not trying to resolve dns on the wrong interface? |
| 14:45.59 | petemc | directhex|work: thats kinda pedantic, xvid is so common now its almost a generic term |
| 14:46.00 | ian2 | I'll shut the others down and try, but I doubt it. |
| 14:46.05 | directhex|work | greycat, here we are. a little pulldown marked 'Outp. fmt' |
| 14:46.07 | aboukensy | okay..is there a package for it? cuz dvd::rip doesn't find anything in apt |
| 14:46.17 | trogger | ian2: as do I, but running out of ideas! :) |
| 14:46.18 | greycat | aboukensy: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 14:46.28 | greycat | !praise Marillat |
| 14:46.31 | directhex|work | petemc, yes, but ogm isn't so common now, and you can have xvid in ogm |
| 14:46.43 | omry_ | is it possible to install opengl in software mode? |
| 14:46.46 | sobersabre | whoever suggested me to setup imap for evolution->thunderbird export.... you are great. |
| 14:46.49 | petemc | directhex|work: thanks for the pointer |
| 14:46.53 | directhex|work | omry_, yes, it's painfully slow |
| 14:47.21 | directhex|work | petemc, i had a downloaded copy of Battle Royale in xvid/ac3 ogm, which housemates couldn't cope with under windows |
| 14:47.22 | aboukensy | and can it do file size/quality detection? or you have to find all the bitrate etc.. yourself? |
| 14:47.24 | simonm | How can I make a 'wildcard' for a virtualhost in the apache httpd.conf? I want a virtualhost for www.domain.org and domain.org; *.domain.org does not work? |
| 14:47.25 | ian2 | o_O. again, with the crazy madwifiness |
| 14:47.35 | omry_ | directhex|work, should a long time to setup? (I want to try) |
| 14:47.37 | ian2 | when I change anything on the wireless, it really doesnt like it =/ |
| 14:47.43 | trogger | simon *domain.org ? |
| 14:47.43 | petemc | directhex|work: tell them to install the gordian know codec pack |
| 14:47.45 | greycat | directhex|work: what's the point of making an AC3 .ogm file? The whole point is to be able to use Vorbis! |
| 14:47.47 | ian2 | but it works on this box, which is using madwifi. |
| 14:47.54 | petemc | directhex|work: gordian knot, sorry |
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| 14:48.14 | directhex|work | omry_, no, you already HAVE it. simply most apps won't want to run without some basic opengl ability there |
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| 14:48.15 | trogger | s/simon/simonm |
| 14:48.28 | ian2 | trogger: /me thinks reinstall debian, just for kicks. It works on this box, and I'm doing the same thing, so hopefully doing the same thing twice will yeild the same results. |
| 14:48.31 | ian2 | hopefully =] |
| 14:48.37 | anhi | little question: anyone in here tried the -love sources for the 2.6.11-rc4 allready? |
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| 14:48.47 | directhex|work | petemc, causes conflicts between directvibsub and the ogm directshow filter's own subbing. and most players's subbing. |
| 14:49.01 | petemc | directhex|work: what does? |
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| 14:49.11 | trogger | ian2: that's a fairly big solution to a limited problem |
| 14:49.12 | directhex|work | petemc, every codec pack i've tried. |
| 14:49.20 | ian2 | trogger: yup. |
| 14:49.23 | aboukensy | cheers for that (; |
| 14:49.23 | petemc | directhex|work: works for me, etc |
| 14:49.25 | ian2 | but I dont care =] |
| 14:49.27 | directhex|work | sheesh, avidemux has really improved since i last ripped a dvd |
| 14:49.31 | simonm | trogger, does not work as well |
| 14:49.41 | ian2 | trogger: I've made a mess of all this happy kernel crap, anyway |
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| 14:50.01 | ian2 | that was my first debian install, I've since learned to do it right (came from slack and gentoo) |
| 14:50.22 | trogger | simonm: ah sorry use ServerName for the first one, then ServerAlias for the second. |
| 14:50.36 | simonm | ok |
| 14:50.48 | trogger | simonm (and any subsequent) |
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| 14:51.32 | simonm | thanks a lot, trogger |
| 14:51.34 | trogger | ian2: have you tried installing via debootstrap + chroot ? |
| 14:51.45 | ian2 | trogger: nope. |
| 14:51.50 | omry_ | directhex|work, can I activate GLX module without hardware support? |
| 14:52.04 | trogger | ian2: is a nice way to go if you have a running debian system and want to install a second on the same machine (different partition, though) |
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| 14:52.39 | directhex|work | omry, glxinfo should tell you you already _HAVE_ mesagl, which is software |
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| 14:52.51 | ian2 | trogger: riight. But I just wanna install on the same partition. my home dir is on a seperate one though, so its not too bad, gimme 10 mins with the sarge netinst and it will be back the way it was =] |
| 14:52.59 | trogger | sweet |
| 14:53.19 | stew | ian2: why are you reinstalling? |
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| 14:53.28 | ian2 | stew: fubared some stuff =] |
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| 14:53.59 | omry_ | directhex|work, this is what I get from glxinfo : Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 14:54.55 | directhex|work | omry, have you tried to install some 3d drivers of some sort in the past? which version of debian? |
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| 14:55.50 | maxxle | Hi! I try to mount a SD-Card so that users can write files on it. At the moment only root can 'cd' to the directory. I tried with 'mount -o user,rw /dev/sdd1 /mnt/stick' where stick has rwx for others. |
| 14:56.09 | trogger | maxxle: use chmod on your mountpoint. |
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| 14:56.55 | maxxle | trogger: chmod o+rwx does not work. |
| 14:57.01 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 14:57.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 14:57.07 | omry_ | directhex|work, nvidia drivers, right now the card is not installed. |
| 14:57.15 | greycat | maxxle: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 14:57.45 | directhex|work | omry_, why did you not think it was relevant to mention that? |
| 14:57.52 | Dominja | Requesting help: http://rafb.net/paste/results/a2rHiv24.html |
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| 14:58.03 | nevyn | hrm... |
| 14:58.04 | PerfDave | Does chmod on mountpoints actually work? |
| 14:58.28 | nevyn | the proprietary binary only nvidia driver is described in a package in main as "the official" nvidia driver. |
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| 14:58.43 | maxxle | greycat: Thanks. I think this is the thing i was looking for. |
| 14:58.44 | omry_ | directhex|work, sorry. |
| 14:58.52 | directhex|work | nevyn, it's in non-free, not in main |
| 14:58.54 | js_ | does the dhcp command DHCPRELEASE mean "release" or "re-lease"? |
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| 14:59.03 | directhex|work | omry_, let me guess. you used nvidia-installer to install it? |
| 14:59.08 | nevyn | directhex|work: the driver is in non-free nvclock is in main. |
| 14:59.19 | nevyn | directhex|work: apt-cache show nvclock |
| 14:59.23 | panda | can screensaver shutdown the monitor to save power? ie, let monitor get no signal, so it get into power saving state |
| 14:59.24 | greycat | !wikifaq Everyone UseNvidia |
| 14:59.25 | dpkg | Everyone: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseNvidia or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:59.54 | omry_ | directhex|work, good guess. |
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| 15:00.09 | Dominja | you asking me js? |
| 15:00.11 | directhex|work | nevyn, file a bug. that should be in contrib, and have a depends: on nvidia-glx |
| 15:00.20 | nevyn | hrm... |
| 15:00.53 | nevyn | directhex|work: my argument was with the language. |
| 15:00.56 | directhex|work | omry_, you're fucked, then. nvidia-installer --uninstall will remove it, but your system will be crippled by it since it has had original debian files forcible deleted by nvidia-installer. this is why you use the debian packages. have a nice day |
| 15:01.16 | panda | how to blank the screen to save power? |
| 15:01.17 | directhex|work | nevyn, if it depends on nvidia-glx, then it's a major policy violation to have it in main |
| 15:01.19 | nevyn | directhex|work: I'd rather it said proprietary binary from the nVidia corporation than "official" |
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| 15:01.55 | greycat | panda: /msg dpkg blank |
| 15:02.06 | greycat | panda: (you may have to read it "backwards") |
| 15:02.18 | ricky_clarkson | knalb |
| 15:02.28 | directhex|work | greycat, that's a Serious bug isn't it? |
| 15:02.35 | mcben | directhex|work: i'm back with a MESA glx indirect :/ |
| 15:02.42 | nevyn | directhex|work: policy violations rate serious |
| 15:02.45 | omry_ | directhex|work, I used it because when I installed my system the debian package did not work for my kernel. |
| 15:03.01 | directhex|work | omry_, only if you installed it wrong, or didn;'t read the docs. |
| 15:03.14 | directhex|work | omry_, anyway, you're iinto non-debian land, which makes it your mess to clean up. |
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| 15:03.22 | panda | greycat, how to turn it on after blank? |
| 15:03.32 | panda | greycat, just type command blindly? |
| 15:03.54 | paulswm | panda: touch a shift key or move the mouse |
| 15:03.55 | mcben | i've tried flavio guide. |
| 15:04.02 | omry_ | directhex|work, yeah. this nvidia card will return to this comp soon anyway, so I am not too woried. |
| 15:04.08 | panda | paulswm, danke |
| 15:04.13 | vchrizz | hum, i want to run a command, if someone connects on port 23 (no, i dont have anything running on that port) ... how do i do that? |
| 15:04.14 | paulswm | panda: yw |
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| 15:04.18 | bjorn | u |
| 15:04.30 | greycat | vchrizz: you'd have to listen on that port, accept the connection, take action, then disconnect. |
| 15:04.35 | mcben | build and install ok. the simple fglrx config works |
| 15:04.55 | greycat | vchrizz: *or*... have a kernel-level firewall with logging on block. |
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| 15:05.13 | mcben | but i've tried an XF86Config-4 from fglrxconfig with big desktop xinerama, but doesn't work |
| 15:05.14 | bjorn | can somebody tell how to edit my resolv.conf as this states that I shouldn't change it by hand. What is the desired method? |
| 15:05.15 | vchrizz | greycat: hum, and with iptables it isnt possible in any way? |
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| 15:05.40 | mcben | and with simple config, i've got MESE Glx indirect as OpenGL renderer |
| 15:06.08 | greycat | iptables qualifies as a kernel-level firewall. |
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| 15:06.27 | mcben | is fglrxconfig a good way to get a XF86Config with xinerame enabled ? |
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| 15:07.02 | panda | greycat, that's console blanking, how to blank in X? |
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| 15:07.24 | vchrizz | ah, k ;) could you tell me how to execute the command, if the connection on my specific rule is blocked? |
| 15:07.30 | ricky_clarkson | panda: xscreensaver |
| 15:07.34 | paulswm | panda: install the xscreensaves |
| 15:07.37 | paulswm | saver\ |
| 15:07.45 | S4nD3r_ | which software may I use to see Windows shares???? konqueror is not working properly |
| 15:07.50 | bjorn | can somebody tell how to set up my nameserver? |
| 15:07.56 | paulswm | panda: and there's a blank option which you can choose |
| 15:08.01 | ricky_clarkson | S4nD3r_: smbclient, nautilus, linneighborhood |
| 15:08.20 | greycat | panda: or xset. |
| 15:08.30 | galgen_ | My apt-system is ******. The same happened one year ago, then I managed to fix it, but of course I don't remember how now. The error message that I recieve is: "dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 12737 package `foomatic-bin' / missing version:" |
| 15:08.56 | greycat | galgen_: restore one of the several backup copies of the status file, or edit it by hand and fix whatever's broken in it. |
| 15:09.04 | directhex|work | !status |
| 15:09.04 | dpkg | Since Fri Feb 25 08:45:11 2005, there have been 5 modifications, 271 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 58 commands. I have been awake for 6h 23m 53s this session, and currently reference 25233 factoids. I'm using about 14624 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 53.23/2.67 child 15.98/0.79 |
| 15:09.09 | greycat | directhex|work: heh. |
| 15:09.10 | directhex|work | hm, not what i was after |
| 15:09.19 | ricky_clarkson | !listkeys status |
| 15:09.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'status' by key (15 of 18): drivestatuserror ;; ethernet link status ;; gsmbstatus ;; mozilla status ;; myth mozilla status ;; old status ;; pants status ;; pppstatus ;; says statuspage triskelios ;; sid status ;; status x4.2 ;; statuspage [vmlinuz] ;; statuspage malte ;; statuspage triskelios ;; very fubar ... |
| 15:09.27 | directhex|work | there we are, furhter holding backl the sarge release with a serious bug |
| 15:09.55 | mcben | directhex|work: any idea to get xinerame working ? |
| 15:09.57 | directhex|work | thanks to nevyn for single-handedly scuppering sarge's release |
| 15:10.01 | galgen_ | greycat: It seem to be a bit dangerous to edit it by hand? How do I spot the problem in the file btw? |
| 15:10.05 | directhex|work | mcben, buy me a second tft and i'll work on it |
| 15:10.10 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: What's he done? |
| 15:10.17 | greycat | galgen_: by, uh, reading that error? |
| 15:10.31 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, spotted a policy violation |
| 15:10.38 | ricky_clarkson | directhex|work: In what? |
| 15:10.41 | greycat | I'd think that maybe, just maybe, it's somewhere near line 12737 and has something to do with foomatic-bin |
| 15:10.42 | galgen_ | greycat: hm. well, thanks. I will try. |
| 15:10.47 | mcben | directhex|work: i'm gonna thnk about it |
| 15:10.57 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, nvclock |
| 15:11.03 | ricky_clarkson | !info nvclock |
| 15:11.07 | dpkg | nvclock: (Allows you to overclock your nVidia card under GNU/Linux), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
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| 15:11.09 | galgen_ | greycat: woho, hah! comedian! hah! thanks, any how. |
| 15:11.14 | ricky_clarkson | Extra. Won't hold anything back. |
| 15:11.50 | ricky_clarkson | If it was in base or whatever, then there might have been problems. |
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| 15:12.08 | abrotman | i thought the RC bugs were supposed to be going down . this isn't working very well |
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| 15:12.18 | mcben | directhex|work: does fglrxconfig generate good XF86Config ? |
| 15:12.34 | mcben | directhex|work: or should i try by myself ? |
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| 15:12.52 | directhex|work | mcben, it generates junk configs |
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| 15:12.59 | DaHooD | Hi |
| 15:13.06 | directhex|work | !drxx mcben |
| 15:13.07 | dpkg | mcben: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 15:13.22 | DaHooD | Can anoyone help me with my usb stick? can't mount it unter /dev/sda1 ... |
| 15:13.27 | mcben | dpkg: to get xinerame working ? |
| 15:13.28 | greycat | mcben: make lots and lots of backup copies of your XF86Config-4 as you go along. |
| 15:13.29 | abrotman | DaHooD: why not? |
| 15:13.44 | mcben | greenfly: don't worry about that ;-) |
| 15:13.52 | stew | !depends nvclock sarge |
| 15:13.57 | dpkg | nvclock: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1) |
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| 15:13.59 | DaHooD | got following error MSG: |
| 15:14.04 | stew | nvclock doesn't depend on nvidia-glx |
| 15:14.15 | resiak | stew: Well noticed. |
| 15:14.23 | DaHooD | book:/# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB-Stick1/ |
| 15:14.23 | DaHooD | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 15:14.26 | DaHooD | abrotman, |
| 15:14.31 | mcben | greycat: thx. don't worry about that ;-) |
| 15:14.34 | abrotman | DaHooD: is it .. formatted? |
| 15:14.49 | Phated | Tried /dev/sda? |
| 15:14.50 | shingoki | does /dev/sda1 exist? |
| 15:14.55 | abrotman | Phated: that wouldn't work |
| 15:14.55 | DaHooD | abauer, hmm.. i think so. i used it under windows |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | DaHooD: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 15:15.05 | petemc | DaHooD: if you cat /proc/scsi/scsi, what does it say after Host: regarding your device? |
| 15:15.05 | DaHooD | yes sda1 exist... |
| 15:15.09 | abrotman | DaHooD: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 15:15.12 | abrotman | make sure |
| 15:15.14 | DaHooD | fdsik -l /dev/sda show me nothing: |
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| 15:15.31 | Phated | abrotman: And... why not? It works fine enough here. |
| 15:15.33 | abrotman | plug your usb thingie in? |
| 15:15.35 | DaHooD | oh, now i get'n error: |
| 15:15.35 | DaHooD | book:/# fdisk /dev/sda |
| 15:15.36 | DaHooD | Unable to open /dev/sda |
| 15:15.44 | abrotman | Phated: you can't mount the whole device |
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| 15:15.54 | Phated | abrotman: Apparently I can. |
| 15:16.02 | petemc | abrotman: some usb devices, you can |
| 15:16.06 | abrotman | ok .. fine |
| 15:16.08 | DaHooD | book:/# cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 15:16.08 | DaHooD | Attached devices: |
| 15:16.09 | DaHooD | Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 15:16.09 | DaHooD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.09 | DaHooD | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.09 | abrotman | never seen one |
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| 15:16.17 | DaHooD | fuck |
| 15:16.21 | abrotman | DaHooD: don't flood this channel |
| 15:16.22 | panda | ricky_clarkson, paulswm greycat i want to cut off signals to the monitor in X or console |
| 15:16.30 | abrotman | DaHooD: dmesg | grep sda |
| 15:16.35 | abrotman | err |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | DaHooD: dmesg | grep sd |
| 15:16.39 | petemc | DaHooD: dont paste, i onyl asked what it said after Host: , and your device is sdb |
| 15:16.40 | abrotman | make sure it's sda .. |
| 15:16.40 | DaHooD | sorry abauer , can i msg u the output? |
| 15:16.46 | petemc | its not |
| 15:16.47 | DaHooD | sorry abrotman , can i msg u the output? |
| 15:16.51 | abrotman | DaHooD: use #flood |
| 15:16.53 | directhex|work | stew, the description explicitly states that it does. one of them is wrong. |
| 15:17.01 | petemc | DaHooD: fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 15:17.02 | greycat | DaHooD: NO. DO NOT SEND THE OUTPUT TO OTHER PEOPLE. JUST FUCKING READ IT YOURSELF AND UNDERSTAND IT. |
| 15:17.13 | greycat | GOD, I hate people who ask other people to read shit to them. |
| 15:17.17 | stew | directhex|work: ahhh, gotcha |
| 15:17.28 | ricky_clarkson | panda: Again, xscreensaver. |
| 15:17.29 | engelsen | #"%$"#$% I just messed up my HD with lvm. cfdisk says I still have the lvm partition but I just cant see it |
| 15:17.35 | DaHooD | nothing: |
| 15:17.35 | DaHooD | book:/# dmesg | grep sda |
| 15:17.36 | DaHooD | book:/# |
| 15:17.40 | petemc | ffs |
| 15:17.46 | engelsen | should pvdisplay shoe everything ? |
| 15:18.09 | greycat | I doubt it can get a shoe on a recalcitrant stallion. |
| 15:18.13 | abrotman | DaHooD: not sda .. just sd |
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| 15:18.30 | abrotman | but that's not a good sign :) |
| 15:18.34 | petemc | Host: scsi1 == sdb |
| 15:18.36 | paulswm | engelsen: did you do pvcreate on your lvm partition |
| 15:18.38 | DaHooD | the same, nothing |
| 15:18.41 | abrotman | see .. petemc is a god |
| 15:18.43 | superSSS | I changed su password and forgot it, is there a way to change root password in the bootup procedure? |
| 15:18.48 | abrotman | !beer petemc |
| 15:18.53 | petemc | cheers :) |
| 15:18.59 | directhex|work | !i forgot root's password |
| 15:18.59 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. ... |
| 15:19.00 | engelsen | paulswm: no, |
| 15:19.01 | petemc | 2 hours and ill have a real one |
| 15:19.09 | paulswm | engelsen: then do it :) |
| 15:19.12 | engelsen | paulswm: wont that erase the contents of the partition ? |
| 15:19.16 | directhex|work | superSSS, ^^^ |
| 15:19.31 | superSSS | directhex|work: i use palo as linux loader will it work? |
| 15:19.35 | DaHooD | usb should work abrotman |
| 15:19.39 | DaHooD | see flood-chan |
| 15:19.48 | abrotman | you can't say that after oyu paste |
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| 15:19.55 | directhex|work | palo? i have _NO_ idea. is that some PA-RISC thing? |
| 15:20.02 | superSSS | directhex|work: yes |
| 15:20.12 | engelsen | paulswm: or does it only create a logical "path" to it ? |
| 15:20.22 | paulswm | engelsen: If you have created an lvm partiton, you can't use it until you do pvcreate |
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| 15:20.44 | abrotman | wtf is a bogus sysfs |
| 15:20.48 | engelsen | paulswm: ok, without any option |
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| 15:21.12 | engelsen | paulswm: pvcreate /dev/hdb |
| 15:21.19 | engelsen | paulswm: like this |
| 15:21.24 | paulswm | engelsen: NO |
| 15:21.30 | engelsen | paulswm: ok |
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| 15:21.44 | paulswm | engelsen: Which partition is your lvm partition |
| 15:21.57 | greycat | superSSS: the important part is adding "init=/bin/sh" to the end of the kernel's parameters, however you do that. |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | petemc: know what a bogus sysfs is ? |
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| 15:23.04 | directhex|work | abrotman, causing you problems? |
| 15:23.22 | engelsen | paulswm: I forgot, I ran cfdisk under installation, how can I check now ? its something on /dev/hdb |
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| 15:23.24 | abrotman | directhex|work: not me .. DaHooD .. and i don't know what it means |
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| 15:23.28 | abrotman | i've never seen it |
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| 15:23.58 | abrotman | i so would have gone for slushpoopie.com |
| 15:24.17 | paulswm | engelsen: run (as root) 'sfdisk -l /dev/hdb' and you'll see the lvm partitition |
| 15:24.25 | superSSS | directhex|work: the palo doesnt stop with "shift" key |
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| 15:25.03 | directhex|work | superSSS, no idea how to make your funny pa risc do things |
| 15:25.05 | superSSS | directhex|work: I still know the user password, maybe i can exploit the system and change the pass back for root |
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| 15:25.39 | directhex|work | superSSS, what use would the os be if it were trivial to do that? |
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| 15:26.35 | engelsen | paulswm: /dev/hdb1 487 9728 9242 74236365 8e Linux LVM |
| 15:26.38 | greycat | superSSS: have you tried googling for "HP-UX single user mode" and adapting the instructions therein to Debian? |
| 15:26.41 | engelsen | paulswm: the rest was empty |
| 15:26.53 | superSSS | directhex|work: the problem is, where would i find such a workable exploit |
| 15:27.08 | paulswm | engelsen: this is a new, unused partition, right? |
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| 15:27.23 | superSSS | greycat: there is no HP-UX installed |
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| 15:28.13 | petemc | abrotman: no idea, sorry |
| 15:28.24 | abrotman | petemc: i'm taking your beer back! |
| 15:28.41 | petemc | its drank already |
| 15:28.45 | petemc | im irish! |
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| 15:28.59 | galgen_ | greycat, or someone: I got the file "status-old", how do I restore the system what that file. I looked into status at the line where there was problems, but couldn't really understand what I should change.. |
| 15:29.00 | abrotman | paulswm: !test |
| 15:29.28 | greycat | galgen_: man cp |
| 15:29.32 | paulswm | abrotman: Yes, I know, I just hate spending vaulable minutes waiting for a response |
| 15:29.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:29.45 | galgen_ | greycat: man, is it that easy? |
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| 15:29.52 | greycat | superSSS: ........ words fail me. |
| 15:29.58 | paulswm | abauer: when I could be doing something else, like NOTHING |
| 15:30.03 | mrkiko | can i make a question? |
| 15:30.14 | greycat | mrkiko: you just did. |
| 15:30.16 | paulswm | abauer: sry, wrong nick, meant for abrotman |
| 15:30.19 | abrotman | abauer: could you take all my spam too :) |
| 15:30.33 | paulswm | !spam abrotman |
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| 15:30.38 | paulswm | :( |
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| 15:30.51 | galgen_ | greycat is such a smart ass... but I just love you still! |
| 15:31.13 | PerfDave | greycat is a smartass, but unlike most smartasses, he's actually smart with it. |
| 15:31.25 | mrkiko | I used apt-get for many years... and i now ave a very big package database, even if I don't use x (brltty ). I discovered the advantages over aptitude: when I remove a package, it removes automatically superfluous packages but |
| 15:31.32 | directhex|work | there are people who would kill for the smarts of greycat's ass |
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| 15:31.39 | pif | greycat is a hero to spend so much time helping us maggots |
| 15:31.39 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 15:31.45 | galgen_ | PerfDave: You got a very important point there! |
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| 15:32.00 | primo | I am not sure if this is an apropriate question posted here. Are there any online articles about writing a X terminal emulator? |
| 15:32.01 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, primo |
| 15:32.06 | mrkiko | when i use aptitude on this system obvioit doesn't remove superfluous packages because thereis not extended state information. How can i re-create completely the database? |
| 15:32.14 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd $1 is <reply>A book you might like to study, $1: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 15:32.14 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
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| 15:33.11 | flammifer | er, things keep hanging on my debian (I'm using gnome), I often have to kill, sometimes even reboot the computer manually. Is that bad ? |
| 15:33.17 | engelsen | paulswm: its not supposed to be new no. |
| 15:33.28 | ricky_clarkson | flammifer: Yes. |
| 15:33.31 | ArtVandalae | flammifer, what branch of Debian are you using? |
| 15:33.34 | ricky_clarkson | flammifer: What are the symptoms? |
| 15:33.47 | flammifer | (what hangs : idle, pdfviewer, firefox and mozilla when they see java, and even nautilus sometimes has problems) |
| 15:33.47 | engelsen | paulswm: Im afraid so, cause these are the partitions I had all my data on ! |
| 15:33.49 | panda | can i run a command, and monitor get shutdown? |
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| 15:33.55 | possie | anyone know a good tape backup tool? i'm using flexbackup but it seems to hang on certian tapes |
| 15:33.57 | galgen_ | greycat: oh lord, halleluja! thank you! my system is saved! I will rename it, to honour you!!! |
| 15:33.57 | ricky_clarkson | panda: man xscreensaver |
| 15:34.04 | greycat | panda: why not simply turn the monitor *off*? |
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| 15:34.29 | greycat | possie: tar, cpio |
| 15:34.31 | panda | greycat, i want program to control it |
| 15:34.36 | panda | ricky_clarkson, i maned |
| 15:34.39 | flammifer | the rebooting is mainly 9er, only I think) when firefox hangs, so I don't think it's debian's fault (some problem with java) |
| 15:34.53 | ArtVandalae | flammifer, sarge, sid? |
| 15:34.56 | Putiikki | how can i clear bash's command history? |
| 15:34.57 | panda | ricky_clarkson, it only says about do it in conf file |
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| 15:35.19 | asg | Putiikki: HISTSIZE=0 |
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| 15:35.23 | panda | Putiikki, history -c |
| 15:35.24 | ricky_clarkson | panda: " The xscreensaver-command program is a command-line tool for controlling the xscreensaver daemon; it is most useful when run by shell scripts, or from menu items. It lets you do things like tell the xscreensaver daemon to lock the screen immediately." |
| 15:35.31 | Putiikki | thanks |
| 15:35.35 | aidehua | Why is the wheel group called the wheel group? |
| 15:35.38 | virus | How can I switch from LILO to GRUB so that the menu.lst is managed by the package manager? |
| 15:35.50 | flammifer | ArtVandalae, sid and testing |
| 15:36.01 | panda | man xscreensaver-command desn't show me how to shut down monitor |
| 15:36.36 | directhex|work | virus, install grub, remove lilo, edit /etc/kernel-img.conf to point to /sbin/update-grub as the postinst and postrm hook |
| 15:36.58 | greycat | !breastfeed panda |
| 15:36.59 | flammifer | nautilus has problems - sometimes he would refuse to open files (fail while opening a text file), the only solution being to close all nautilus windows (or kill) and relaunch it, in which case he'd work normally again |
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| 15:37.06 | ricky_clarkson | panda: xscreensaver -activate |
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| 15:37.08 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 15:37.09 | virus | directhex|work, ok - i was just missing the /etc/kernel-img.conf part. :) |
| 15:37.10 | slocate | how do you get the cron.* to email root |
| 15:37.12 | ricky_clarkson | panda: xscreensaver-command -activate |
| 15:37.22 | mrkiko | have someone ideas? |
| 15:37.28 | greycat | slocate: man crontab; man 5 crontab; look for MAILTO |
| 15:37.33 | asg | ricky_clarkson: xwonder-twin-powers -active |
| 15:37.45 | greycat | asg: Shape of.... a bucket of water! |
| 15:37.46 | ricky_clarkson | asg: mi scussi? |
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| 15:37.54 | asg | greycat: form of a glob of mucus |
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| 15:38.04 | asg | ricky_clarkson: nevermind |
| 15:38.05 | ricky_clarkson | Is this that Geeks and Gurkers game or something? |
| 15:38.09 | panda | ricky_clarkson, that only show pics, not shut down/cut off monitor |
| 15:38.14 | ricky_clarkson | panda: It does if you configure the motherfucking xscreensaver. |
| 15:38.17 | mrkiko | asg: parli in italiano? |
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| 15:38.19 | yoo | hi everybody ! |
| 15:38.22 | asg | mrkiko: nyet |
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| 15:38.32 | ricky_clarkson | asg: The Italian for no is no. |
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| 15:38.50 | asg | ricky_clarkson: I know |
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| 15:39.52 | aidehua | wheel group> I learn that it is named after a slang term for an important person: a "big wheel". |
| 15:40.22 | ricky_clarkson | !wheel |
| 15:40.22 | dpkg | from memory, wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have ... |
| 15:40.22 | mrkiko | Do someone knowns the way to REWRITE COMPLETELY my apt database with extended states? |
| 15:40.37 | asg | !congratulate aidehua on reading the jargon file |
| 15:40.38 | dpkg | Yay aidehua on reading the jargon file, you did it! |
| 15:40.38 | Delph | lol. |
| 15:41.05 | aidehua | I'd forgotten about that particular reference :) |
| 15:41.20 | greycat | what the fuck? |
| 15:41.33 | greycat | why did dpkg respond to mrkiko just then? |
| 15:41.39 | asg | greycat: Do someone ... |
| 15:41.48 | greycat | asg: but there was no "!" on it. |
| 15:41.52 | asg | greycat: why it did it w/o the ! I don't know though |
| 15:42.00 | asg | greycat: maybe dpkg is finally coming 'online' |
| 15:42.04 | mrkiko | someone can explain why my question is stupid? |
| 15:42.08 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.08 | flammifer | do the hokey pokey! |
| 15:42.15 | flammifer | (damn) |
| 15:42.20 | greycat | Do the hokey pokey! |
| 15:42.31 | ricky_clarkson | Occasionally, blootbot replies to channel messages as if they were prepended with a ! |
| 15:42.32 | jerome | try caps |
| 15:42.35 | flammifer | !do the hokey pokey |
| 15:42.37 | greycat | (just in case it was a case sensitivity issue) |
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| 15:42.47 | ricky_clarkson | It's a new bugfeature, and dondelelcaro hasn't turned it off yet. Afaict. |
| 15:42.48 | Vlat | hi |
| 15:42.52 | slocate | freenode~greycat: where do you set these variables? |
| 15:42.55 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: ugh. |
| 15:42.58 | ricky_clarkson | Or a featurebug. I haven't decided yet. |
| 15:43.19 | directhex|work | bugbug. |
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| 15:43.35 | asg | directhex|work: apparently non-repeatable bugbug |
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| 15:43.46 | ricky_clarkson | That's the nature of randomness. |
| 15:44.03 | ricky_clarkson | asg: http://wooledge.org/~greg/dilbert.gif |
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| 15:44.16 | asg | ricky_clarkson: always a classic |
| 15:44.24 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: That's where your bandwidth goes, btw. ;) |
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| 15:44.37 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: oh, I can account for a lot of it that goes to other services... |
| 15:44.58 | directhex|work | like other ridicule-based gifs? |
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| 15:45.13 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Well, I hope you clean up afterwards. |
| 15:45.19 | greycat | directhex|work: no, mostly openft/gnutella, freenet, and bittorrent. |
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| 15:46.03 | ricky_clarkson | flammifer: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/tmp/something.html |
| 15:46.39 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Priceless |
| 15:46.41 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: blank white page, with javascript off. |
| 15:46.54 | greycat | I read the page source, though. |
| 15:46.57 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Yes, but if you can turn off JavaScript, you can read source... |
| 15:47.35 | ricky_clarkson | I used it to point out to a group of students that "Ok/Cancel" dialogs are useless for internet security. |
| 15:47.46 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: Buggy, too, if you close it the reaction is the same as if you pressed the button |
| 15:47.50 | ricky_clarkson | Because nobody actually reads. |
| 15:47.59 | greycat | paulswm: another Feature! |
| 15:48.01 | ricky_clarkson | True, but I don't really care. |
| 15:48.04 | flammifer | ricky_clarkson, hmh, it even says "I thought so" if you close it with the little 'X'. not fair. |
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| 15:48.16 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: That's why the grammar is chosen not to say "Haha, knew you were an idiot". |
| 15:48.20 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
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| 15:48.44 | ricky_clarkson | I don't think JavaScript gives you a return value from alert. |
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| 15:49.19 | paulswm | greycat: reminds me of "Floppy is not responding, would you like to format C: instead? [Y/n]" |
| 15:49.33 | greycat | I haven't seen that one. |
| 15:49.38 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: :) |
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| 15:50.36 | paulswm | greycat: I messed it up, there should be a 'n' on the end followed by a second line saying 'Formatting C: ...' |
| 15:50.38 | dyroro | Hi all |
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| 15:51.01 | dyroro | I want to know where I can get lastest firefox deb package. |
| 15:51.12 | greycat | dyroro: packages.debian.org |
| 15:51.12 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Are you aware of dpkg's strange behaviour today? |
| 15:51.13 | petemc | i want an oompa loompa |
| 15:51.14 | ildegar | i don't |
| 15:51.26 | ricky_clarkson | Oompa loompas smell and eat all your chocolate. |
| 15:51.30 | ricky_clarkson | Greedy little fat bastards. |
| 15:51.35 | dyroro | thanx |
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| 15:51.37 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, wait, that's children. I always get confused. |
| 15:51.41 | dyroro | grecat:thanx |
| 15:51.41 | petemc | :) |
| 15:51.46 | paulswm | Yes, dpkg appears to be having psychotic episodes |
| 15:52.10 | paulswm | But dpkg hangs out here all the time so it's hardly surprising |
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| 15:52.13 | ricky_clarkson | !psychopath |
| 15:52.13 | dpkg | it has been said that psychopath is a wierdo called burro. |
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| 15:52.20 | anhi | has anyone got a HowTo/Tutorial on adding /swap /boot and so on to an existing debian installation? currently i have / on ext3 but no seperate partition for boot/swap |
| 15:52.35 | greycat | dpkg, you have some useless (and misspelled) crap in your memory. |
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| 15:52.37 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, a factoid fr'th'owd days when I couldn't spell weird. |
| 15:52.41 | hmmhesays | ok i'm having a serious mental block, base-config is to start the debian base configuration again right? |
| 15:53.09 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo psychopath |
| 15:53.09 | dpkg | psychopath -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky2@newton-1003.salford.ac.uk> at Thu Nov 28 13:02:09 2002 (820 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by ricky_clarkson, 56s ago. |
| 15:53.12 | Segers_J_ | I just bought numeric recipes in c (the code, not the book), and it won't compile, saying "make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/include/stddef.h'" A quick search of P.D.O turns up usr/include/oskit/c/stddef.h which I have installed, but a make still dies with the same error. Any hints on how to make the compiler look in the right place? Or am I confused as to what to do? |
| 15:53.17 | virus | directhex|work, thanks - that worked like a charm. :) |
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| 15:53.43 | greycat | Segers_J_: you're missing build-essential |
| 15:53.49 | greycat | (and the things it depends on) |
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| 15:54.34 | anhi | hmmhesays: wont altering partitions erase their content ? |
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| 15:54.57 | paulswm | I mean greycat's here a lot and look how *_he_ gets, poor dpkg gets the same crap 24x7 |
| 15:55.04 | hmmhesays | lol why are you asking me? |
| 15:55.07 | hogballs | !seen fishhead |
| 15:55.07 | dpkg | fishhead <~testrun@c-24-3-15-166.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 26d 15h 54m 56s ago, saying: 'neither will you'. |
| 15:55.25 | greycat | hogballs: you can /msg the bot, you know. |
| 15:55.37 | anhi | cos you just stated the base-config, which would include a way to do this |
| 15:55.37 | |HelioS| | !sing sarge |
| 15:55.38 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 15:55.44 | gudi | hi |
| 15:55.55 | greycat | hmmhesays: he probably has automatic nick completion in his client. and probably typed "hmm" |
| 15:55.55 | Segers_J_ | greycat: apt-get install claims that I have the current version of build-essential (for sarge) |
| 15:55.57 | ricky_clarkson | !release sarge |
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| 15:56.17 | yoo | exuses me ! |
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| 15:56.21 | hmmhesays | good call |
| 15:56.27 | yoo | somebody can help me ! |
| 15:56.27 | greycat | Segers_J_: apt-get --reinstall install linux-kernel-headers |
| 15:56.28 | gudi | i have an toshiba notbook . i want to use cpufreqd with cpi to scale my cpu freq when no powersuply is presend.. but i can't get the module to load.. i get no such device |
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| 15:56.33 | gudi | so is it not supoorted ? |
| 15:56.46 | greycat | Segers_J_: since that's where it's SUPPOSED to be.... |
| 15:56.47 | yoo | my root partition is full and i don'y know why |
| 15:57.11 | SnitraM | Where should I put routing information (route add ...)? |
| 15:57.24 | greycat | yoo: is /var part of your root file system? if so, cd /var && du -sk * |
| 15:57.36 | yoo | no |
| 15:57.39 | tzafrir_home | yoo: the long way: du -sc /* |
| 15:57.42 | yoo | var is mounted |
| 15:57.43 | gudi | yoo, do : du -m / | sort -rn | more |
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| 15:58.04 | yoo | " 474443 453118 0 100% / |
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| 15:58.15 | greycat | yoo: how about /tmp? |
| 15:58.16 | tzafrir_home | actually, sorting means you only get the result when it finishes. |
| 15:58.22 | yoo | " /dev 474443 453118 0 100% /.dev |
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| 15:58.34 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.39 | tzafrir_home | yoo: that's udev. |
| 15:58.42 | yoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.45 | schuler_ | ati mobility radeon 9700 se is not supported by sarge! |
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| 15:58.45 | greycat | gods. |
| 15:58.48 | yoo | ??????? |
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| 15:58.59 | yoo | how resolve it ? |
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| 15:59.04 | greycat | yoo: find out where the space went. |
| 15:59.07 | fuat | is anyone using successfully pinenetry-qt for kmail? |
| 15:59.10 | DrFooMod2 | after a fresh sarge install w/ desktop enviro, what package should I remove that will remove kde so i can replace it w/ gnome? |
| 15:59.17 | paulswm | yoo: don't do that, see /topic about pasting |
| 15:59.19 | DrFooMod2 | kde and it;s dependents |
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| 15:59.28 | yoo | ok |
| 15:59.30 | greycat | yoo: if you can't think of ANY other way, try this: cd / && du -sk * and be prepared to wait a LONG time and to ignore the stuff that's not useful, like /sys /proc /tmp /var |
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| 16:00.22 | greycat | although I guess you could use --exclude (silly GNU extensions) |
| 16:00.37 | stew | and | sort -n can be useful |
| 16:00.45 | greycat | I wouldn't bother with sorting that. |
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| 16:01.00 | sparr__ | 0958 <Bass> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 16:01.02 | sparr__ | onjoin message |
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| 16:01.03 | stew | would |
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| 16:01.25 | paulswm | prolly got a bunch of kernels installed and /lib is killing him, just a wild guess |
| 16:01.31 | sussudio | sparr__: don't spam the channel |
| 16:01.44 | sparr__ | ok |
| 16:01.50 | schelm | lol |
| 16:02.00 | greycat | paulswm: possible. |
| 16:02.02 | paulswm | Oh, wait, no separate /usr, I bet that's it, 800MB is a bit small |
| 16:02.16 | Segers_J_ | greycat: It's still looking for it in /usr/include while apt put it in /usr/include/linux according to dpkg -L linux-kernel-headers. should I find and replace the <stddef.h> with "the/full/path" in the sources? |
| 16:02.24 | yoo | greycat : what do you mean by find out where the space went |
| 16:02.29 | paulswm | 400MB I mean |
| 16:02.34 | yoo | sorry i'm french |
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| 16:02.37 | greycat | damn it, I'm gonna have to bust out my K&R. |
| 16:02.41 | yoo | so i speak slowly |
| 16:02.58 | SnitraM | In an old Debian installation I added the necessary "route add ..." commands to /etc/init.d/network. However this 3.0 seems to have moved network stuff into /etc/network/ directory. |
| 16:03.00 | paulswm | yoo: do this: 'du -sk /usr' and tell us what it says |
| 16:03.12 | yoo | oki |
| 16:03.17 | yoo | on #flood |
| 16:03.28 | greycat | hmm... stddef.h is shown on page 241 (appendix B) of K&R2. |
| 16:03.30 | paulswm | yoo: It's only one line, you can put it here |
| 16:03.34 | Esaj | any suggestions for execution profiling tools in Linux? |
| 16:03.36 | SnitraM | So what is the Debian way of adding routes nowadays? |
| 16:03.52 | greycat | SnitraM: "up route add ...." in interfaces(5) |
| 16:03.53 | Esaj | using `time` isn't very accurate especially with other processes running |
| 16:04.18 | SnitraM | greycat: Which file should I put that in? |
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| 16:04.30 | stew | SnitraM: man 5 interfaces |
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| 16:05.07 | Esaj | is there some kind of system call to get the amount of time the current process has used? |
| 16:05.27 | yoo | 2205652 /usr : paulswm |
| 16:05.46 | greycat | Esaj: times(2) |
| 16:06.05 | Esaj | greycat: cheers |
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| 16:06.14 | paulswm | yoo: so /usr is a separate partition, right? It wasn't in your earlier paste. |
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| 16:06.28 | yoo | yes |
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| 16:06.37 | greycat | Segers_J_: I have no idea what that header is supposed to do. It's obviously obsolete and ancient and doesn't exist in GNU/Linux. Either comment it out in your source code, or file a bug report against libc6-dev asking for a dummy header to be created to satisfy ANSI. |
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| 16:06.41 | greycat | Segers_J_: or ask #C. |
| 16:06.53 | yoo | yes /usr is mounted on fstab |
| 16:07.03 | zarchne | yoo: try this: "du -axk / | sort -nr | less" |
| 16:07.14 | yoo | ok |
| 16:07.29 | greycat | zarchne: yuck. |
| 16:07.45 | Cope_ | i have? |
| 16:07.46 | zarchne | greycat: I aim to please. |
| 16:07.51 | yoo | llook my df on #flood |
| 16:07.58 | paulswm | yoo: Then do what greycat suggested and enter (as root) 'du -sk /*', paste the results in #flood |
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| 16:08.25 | Segers_J_ | greycat: many thanks, I'm on it. :) |
| 16:08.27 | greycat | paulswm: we also have to know what file systems are NOT part of root, and he only gave us a partial list. |
| 16:08.35 | yoo | ok |
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| 16:08.49 | SnitraM | stew: Ok. However the new box isn't here. Without the routes it's a litte hard for me get onto the Internet so I'm writing this from work, so if you have anything other important route add advice I'd appreciate it if you could tell me now. |
| 16:08.51 | paulswm | asg: I'll butt out, leave yoo to you, don't want to confuse the issue |
| 16:09.07 | paulswm | greycat: yes, good point, I was assuming he only left off /usr |
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| 16:10.34 | fuat | does anyone know if there is a turkish ispell dictionary? |
| 16:10.50 | dyroro | help |
| 16:10.55 | stew | SnitraM: other than whats in the interfaces manpage, i don't have any advice. just add "gateway 1.2.3.4" for the default gateway on the appropriate interface and up add route ... for any other static routes you need |
| 16:11.28 | yoo | paulswm : look |
| 16:11.30 | yoo | on #flood |
| 16:12.11 | SnitraM | stew: Ok. Thanks! |
| 16:12.23 | yoo | paulswm : do you want my /etc/fstab ? |
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| 16:13.52 | zarchne | yoo: seriously, try "du -axk / | sort -nr" and look at the top entries. |
| 16:14.09 | yoo | oki |
| 16:14.33 | greycat | why is du -x so fucking useless? |
| 16:14.40 | paulswm | yoo: Why is /cle_usb not showing up in df? are you sure that it is a separate mount? |
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| 16:15.16 | zarchne | greycat: I don't understand. |
| 16:15.19 | tzafrir_home | greycat: because of the '*' ? /proc (or whatever) was one of the parameters |
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| 16:15.33 | yoo | 444841 / : zarchne |
| 16:15.46 | zarchne | yoo: yes, the next few. |
| 16:15.51 | greycat | zarchne: there appears to be no possible way to do "cd / && du -skx *" and have it omit /proc and /tmp and so on which are separate file systems |
| 16:15.51 | yoo | paulswm : cle_usb is mounted |
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| 16:16.05 | paulswm | yoo: then why is it not showing up in df? |
| 16:16.10 | yoo | zarchne on #flood |
| 16:16.10 | zarchne | greycat: omit the * |
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| 16:16.26 | greycat | zarchne: you either have to have it RECURSE and give you shitloads of leaf directories you don't want, or you have to MANUALLY --exclude all the separate mount points |
| 16:16.41 | paulswm | Fucking hell, there was no need to have him do df again, he'd already posted it once |
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| 16:16.53 | greycat | "du -skx" without an argument just gives you the usage of the whole file system, which you could've got from df. |
| 16:16.56 | leonel | Sarge Where Are you ! Come out please ! |
| 16:17.00 | yoo | paulswm : sorry not mounted |
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| 16:17.09 | yoo | cle_usb not mounted |
| 16:17.10 | Flimzy | I should recompile transcode for my CPU. I bet it'll be faster |
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| 16:17.13 | greycat | "du -kx" gives you all the stupid leaf directories instead of just the top-level summary |
| 16:17.15 | kerneld | Hmm. Mee is frustrated. pppoe on sarge rc2 base does't seem to accept MTU setting |
| 16:17.24 | zarchne | greycat: What's wrong with getting the leaf dirs? |
| 16:17.35 | greycat | zarchne: it's too much noise |
| 16:17.44 | kerneld | I need to ifconfig ppp0 mtu 1460 before tcp data streams flow |
| 16:17.49 | paulswm | yoo: but du says it's taking up nearly 400 MB. Looks like you have two /cle_usbs |
| 16:17.50 | greycat | the whole point of "du -sk *" is that you can see where to start your investigation |
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| 16:18.00 | greycat | but that's useless from / because it hits all your other file systems |
| 16:18.09 | cnorton | could someone recommend a good opensource html editor? |
| 16:18.14 | kerneld | !!mtu |
| 16:18.14 | greycat | cnorton: vim |
| 16:18.23 | cnorton | greycat thanks |
| 16:18.23 | PerfDave | gvim! |
| 16:18.28 | R1ck | vim |
| 16:18.30 | Delph | vi |
| 16:18.35 | Delph | (anyway) |
| 16:18.38 | zarchne | greycat: Well, "du -sk *" doesn't do want you want, sorry. |
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| 16:18.58 | yoo | zarchne : look |
| 16:19.00 | yoo | paulswm : i verifie |
| 16:19.00 | greycat | zarchne: that's why I can't help but wonder WHAT they were thinking when they made -x behave as it does. |
| 16:19.01 | simmerz | is there any good speech software for linux? so that I might convert speech to text? |
| 16:19.11 | greycat | zarchne: it *wants* to be useful, but.... it's not. |
| 16:19.21 | petemc | simmerz: festival, its kinda complicated tho |
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| 16:19.37 | Delph | petemc: festival is TTS, not Speech to text, isn't it? |
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| 16:19.50 | Delph | (or does it work backwards now?) |
| 16:20.01 | zarchne | greycat: It stays on the same filesystem of each of the args you give it. |
| 16:20.02 | paulswm | yoo: If /cle_usb isn't mounted, that means you have one on / |
| 16:20.03 | petemc | Delph: you're right, my bad |
| 16:20.15 | Delph | simmerz: search out commerical companies. |
| 16:20.16 | greycat | zarchne: I guess what it really wants is a "--max-depth=1" |
| 16:20.21 | simmerz | Delph: its text-to-speech |
| 16:20.22 | yoo | paulswm : ok |
| 16:20.23 | paulswm | yoo: and that's what's taking up all your space |
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| 16:20.29 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 16:20.29 | Delph | simmerz: there exists lots of things that do it, but nothing worthwhile that's free. |
| 16:20.32 | yoo | oh |
| 16:20.33 | paulswm | yoo: do you understand? |
| 16:20.37 | yoo | yes |
| 16:20.53 | yoo | i have a cle_usb not mounted in my root |
| 16:21.01 | greycat | yoo: AHA! that's the ticket. |
| 16:21.04 | simmerz | I'm not worried about paying for it. but the howto hasn't been changed for 3 years and ViaVoice is no longer on the market. The Commercial side of things seems to have dried up |
| 16:21.11 | slocate | how do you get the cron.* to send email ? |
| 16:21.13 | yoo | i look that |
| 16:21.16 | greycat | yoo: cd / && du -kx --max-depth=1 | sort -n |
| 16:21.23 | paulswm | yoo: then if the two are the same, you can just 'rm -fr /cle_usb/*' (when /cle_usb is ***NOT*** mounted) |
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| 16:21.58 | mohohaha | any mplayer user here |
| 16:22.03 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 16:22.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:22.17 | paulswm | greycat: the prob appears to be that he has a 400MB directory on a mount point, prolly copied to it by mistake |
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| 16:22.38 | greycat | paulswm: and that du --max-depth should show it plainly. |
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| 16:22.55 | paulswm | greycat: df already shows it |
| 16:23.12 | greycat | paulswm: only after much detective-work |
| 16:23.28 | greycat | (df would have to NOT show it, and you'd have to notice it being missing...) |
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| 16:23.43 | paulswm | greycat: It isn't in df, it is in du, and it is in /etc/fstab |
| 16:23.58 | greycat | paulswm: as I said, detective work :) |
| 16:24.01 | ionvip | how do i install debian? |
| 16:24.07 | greycat | !faq ionvip |
| 16:24.07 | dpkg | ionvip: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:24.09 | paulswm | greycat: Yes, but we already did it n:) |
| 16:24.15 | ionvip | thanx |
| 16:24.20 | greycat | paulswm: but I got what I wanted, which is a USEFUL du -x :) |
| 16:24.30 | paulswm | !prise greycat |
| 16:24.34 | paulswm | heh |
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| 16:24.54 | paulswm | I was hoping for the goat moleting one |
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| 16:25.01 | yoo | paulswm : thx |
| 16:25.05 | yoo | it' that |
| 16:25.21 | yoo | there are a /home in my cle_usb |
| 16:25.35 | yoo | even not mounted so |
| 16:25.44 | yoo | " / 100% |
| 16:25.44 | paulswm | yoo: you are welcome |
| 16:25.49 | yoo | :) |
| 16:26.19 | greycat | When did dpkg stop responding to unknown factoids, even in /msg, with an "I don't know" answer? |
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| 16:26.26 | paulswm | yoo: just make sure that the stuff you are deleing does acutally exist on the separate filesystem before removing it from '/' :) |
| 16:27.10 | yoo | ok |
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| 16:27.28 | greycat | dpkg, disk space is <reply> Use df(1) to see a summary of the disk space used and remaining across all file systems. Use "cd /foo && du -kx --max-depth=1" to see which subdirectories of /foo are using lots of space. (You can sort it with -n, too, if you wish.) |
| 16:27.28 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 16:28.01 | StereoSkit | hi there, im having a lot of trouble with the packages dependencies, theres r some circular dependats packaes wich i cant install |
| 16:28.24 | StereoSkit | kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin, any suggestions to fix that? |
| 16:28.28 | Cope | StereoSkit: you're not mixing trees are you? |
| 16:28.42 | grigora | does anyone know whether it's possible to increase the number of active devices in an existing RAID5 array? |
| 16:29.04 | stew | grigora: depends on the controller |
| 16:29.37 | grigora | stew: it's a software based array, md |
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| 16:29.50 | StereoSkit | Cope: i think im doing it |
| 16:29.51 | stew | grigora: dunno then |
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| 16:30.18 | grigora | stew: thanks anyway |
| 16:30.34 | Cope | StereoSkit: that's your problem. I suggest you don't do it. |
| 16:30.55 | stew | grigora: check the software raid howto |
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| 16:31.15 | js_ | is it possible to use a mac address of any interface in my computer when doing dhcp discover? |
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| 16:31.23 | PerfDave | js_: Yes |
| 16:31.30 | PerfDave | js_: You can set the MAC address in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 16:31.37 | js_ | PerfDave: ahh, great |
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| 16:35.37 | waxmop | my work machine (i ain't the sysadmin) has some 'vbda' running that's hogging lots of CPU time according to top. what is vbda? jfgi wasn't helpful. |
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| 16:36.22 | emes | i recently apt-get upgraded, and now on boot the tux logo doesnt go away, while i like it, its not supposed to stay :) |
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| 16:36.46 | CORVEX | anybody can help me about how many space and partitions i must make for install a mail server??? |
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| 16:36.55 | shingoki | Anyone else had the graphical GDM break recently |
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| 16:38.04 | Flimzy | CORVEX: that obviously depends on what mail volume you'll be getting, how much HD space you have, and possibly other things that we have no way of knowing about. |
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| 16:39.19 | Flimzy | Man, there must be half a bazillion media -dev packages I gotta install to compile transcode |
| 16:39.21 | shingoki | should probably be wary setting up mail server too, make sure you are secure |
| 16:39.26 | CORVEX | i have 40gb and about 50 mails |
| 16:39.30 | shingoki | Flimzy, yeah |
| 16:39.49 | Flimzy | shingoki: have you compiled transcode before? |
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| 16:40.06 | Flimzy | CORVEX: 50 mails? Well if they're typical e-mails, 50 could probably fit on a floppy disk. |
| 16:40.20 | CORVEX | 50 acounts |
| 16:40.24 | CORVEX | pop3 |
| 16:40.27 | Flimzy | CORVEX: If you mean 50 email addresses... well... that still obviously tells us NOTHING about the volume of mail they receive. |
| 16:40.33 | CORVEX | XD |
| 16:41.21 | Flimzy | CORVEX: If it's strictly POP3, and everyone removes email after retrieving them, then you could probably run your mail spool in under 100mb (assuming mail is checked frequently). |
| 16:41.34 | shingoki | Flimzy, I think so... its a little hazy :) I was doing lots of tools, mplayer, mencoder, mkvtools |
| 16:41.35 | Flimzy | CORVEX: You'd probably want more than that to be safe... 1gb is probably sufficient |
| 16:41.38 | shingoki | Flimzy, and I still ended up with borken mkvtools |
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| 16:41.46 | shingoki | Flimzy, you tried marillat though? |
| 16:41.46 | Flimzy | shingoki: hehe. |
| 16:42.00 | Flimzy | shingoki: Yeah, that's what I'm using now. But it doesn't have a full compliment of import/export modules. |
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| 16:42.13 | CORVEX | mails betwen 5 or 10 mb |
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| 16:42.29 | Flimzy | CORVEX: Okay, I'm not going to do your 3rd grade math for you. |
| 16:42.30 | shingoki | Flimzy, ah right. I tend to use mencoder myself |
| 16:42.37 | Flimzy | CORVEX: Get out a pencil and paper, and figure it out yourself. |
| 16:42.44 | shingoki | Flimzy, the matroska stuff is so nice, but I can't get it working :( |
| 16:42.56 | Flimzy | shingoki: Depends on what's being done which is best. I use a combination of both mencoder/mplayer and transcode generally. |
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| 16:43.01 | shingoki | Flimzy, yup |
| 16:43.32 | bogon | any hints why the font in xchm is so ugly here? (sarge) |
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| 16:43.49 | Flimzy | I need to find my ST:TAS files so I can transcode them to burn to DVD along with my Star Wars: Clone Wars animations |
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| 16:44.41 | CORVEX | if i have a disk of 40gb haw many partiions i have make and haow many space for de mail server... |
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| 16:45.03 | CORVEX | 1 of 10 gb fo \ 1 of 1gb for de swap.... |
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| 16:45.40 | Flimzy | CORVEX: Have you ever installed Linux before? |
| 16:46.03 | SlayerXP | CORVEX: have you ever used a computer before? |
| 16:46.35 | Flimzy | hehe |
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| 16:46.39 | prodope | how do i install packages that are kept back? |
| 16:46.44 | CORVEX | sorry, im novice with debuan, i install fedora before, and this is very simple for install |
| 16:46.47 | SlayerXP | prodope: you install them |
| 16:46.48 | prodope | and why are they kept back, usually? |
| 16:46.56 | SlayerXP | prodope: new dependancies |
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| 16:47.44 | Flimzy | CORVEX: Why are you going from "I'm a novice" to "I need to install a mail server"? That's a pretty big step... almost like "I just got my driver's license" to "I'm building a fleet of racing cars" |
| 16:47.47 | bogon | prodope: try apt-get install <package> - that will probably tell you |
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| 16:48.41 | Flimzy | bah. gotta install liblzo-dev now |
| 16:49.18 | CORVEX | yes, i want install debian first, but in a future want to install in this system a mail server, then i wold know the size of partitions |
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| 16:49.31 | possie_ | hi |
| 16:49.36 | possie_ | anyone know a good sources.list to install mythtv? |
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| 16:50.11 | Flimzy | CORVEX: Well as I've already said, the size of the partitions depends on things that we don't know about. |
| 16:50.35 | Flimzy | CORVEX: So apply some common sense, some simple arithmetic skills, and your own knowledge of what you'll be doing, and determine how much space you'll need on your partitions. |
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| 16:50.56 | archpollux | hello |
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| 16:51.05 | Flimzy | WTF is liblve? |
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| 16:51.14 | archpollux | does anybody know if ip_conntrack can be disabled with sysctl? |
| 16:51.22 | Cope | CORVEX: you might want to consider having /var on a separate partition; and you also ought to consider some redundancy in your configuration wrt disks. |
| 16:51.38 | bit` | Why is bass spamming porno? |
| 16:51.44 | Flimzy | Cope: He's talking about a 50-account mail system. Don't confuse him with RAID. |
| 16:51.47 | bit` | Bass rather |
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| 16:52.50 | SlayerXP | !ops Bass is pornspamming |
| 16:52.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Bass is pornspamming |
| 16:52.52 | Flimzy | bit`: B/c Bass is a bot, and Bass's owner programmed it to spam porno. |
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| 16:53.13 | possie_ | !mythtv |
| 16:53.13 | dpkg | mythtv is probably software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. mythtv.org, but freevo is better Sid and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ |
| 16:53.14 | LoRez | klined |
| 16:53.18 | Cope | Flimzy: if I was one of those users, and came back from vacation to find a disk had died and taken mail since the backups he probably won't be doing with it, I'd be wondering why the admin didn't use a more redundant solution. |
| 16:53.25 | archpollux | bit`: cuz he's an ass |
| 16:53.26 | bit` | LoRez, thanks :) |
| 16:53.55 | bit` | archpollux, :) |
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| 16:53.58 | Cope | Flimzy: but I tale your point :) |
| 16:54.10 | Flimzy | Cope: The users will be wondering that anyway. |
| 16:54.24 | Flimzy | Cope: I'm not even a user, and I'm *already* wondering why the admin of that box is a doofus :P |
| 16:54.28 | archpollux | aha, forgot to try freevo out |
| 16:54.44 | archpollux | mythtv seems rather cumbersome with its config |
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| 16:57.48 | usn | hi all |
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| 16:58.07 | keko_ | how i can restart my network in debian ? |
| 16:58.17 | xarg | I have just followed the directions in LARTC section 4.2.1 setup split internet acccess on a mail server. is there a proper way to get the ip route stuff to "stay" after a reboot .... or should I just write an rc script |
| 16:58.21 | Flimzy | huh... lve = Linux Video Editor. Does anyone know from experience if this is a useful program? |
| 16:58.26 | archpollux | keko_: invoke-rc.d networking restart |
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| 16:58.56 | Osric | How do I stop iptables printing bad packets on the console? |
| 16:59.01 | keko_ | archpollux: ehy usual /etc/init.d/network restart not work ? |
| 16:59.23 | Flimzy | xarg: Well it will need to be scripted somewhere. I doubt there's a predefined place for such a script, other than /etc/network/interfaces, or similar |
| 16:59.35 | archpollux | keko_: same thing |
| 17:00.00 | keko_ | but that not working :( |
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| 17:00.46 | xarg | Flimzy: how about if-up.d |
| 17:01.31 | archpollux | xarg: now that would be a veru good place, i think |
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| 17:03.08 | keko_ | i get stange error when im restarting my network |
| 17:03.13 | alex_ | to startup an app that I have just installed under my home I have to type the full path to the bin folder that contains it, I need to export the path into my bash profile, common problem I know, I am just not sure of the syntaxe of it |
| 17:04.07 | Flimzy | xarg: you could probably use that, too. |
| 17:04.17 | bogon | osric: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=132873 may help you (the last 7 mails or so) |
| 17:04.26 | Osric | bogon: Thanks |
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| 17:05.04 | keko_ | wtf |
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| 17:05.08 | keko_ | what im missing :P |
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| 17:05.47 | stew | keko_: you are missing the part where you tell us what error you are getting so that we can help you |
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| 17:06.08 | engelsen | Im setting up an ftp server. which is the best to set up for use for many users with sftp? 40-70 users |
| 17:06.39 | Delph | engelsen: sftp != ftp, sftp is a ssh module, i think. |
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| 17:06.50 | Delph | in the same way as scp is. |
| 17:07.01 | engelsen | Delph: ok |
| 17:07.08 | alex_ | excuse me to ask again but can someone help me out here |
| 17:07.09 | Flimzy | engelsen: do the users have accounts on the system? |
| 17:07.09 | alex_ | to startup an app that I have just installed under my home I have to type the full path to the bin folder that contains it, I need to export the path into my bash profile, common problem I know, I am just not sure of the syntaxe of it |
| 17:07.11 | keko_ | stew: cant open somethink /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:07.16 | bogon | alex_: export PATH="$PATH:yourbindirectory" |
| 17:07.17 | engelsen | Flimzy: yes |
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| 17:07.24 | alex_ | bogon: thanks |
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| 17:07.43 | Flimzy | engelsen: Then just install a standard FTP client and permit user access. *poof* you're done. |
| 17:07.43 | Flimzy | engelsen: Or if you're using sftp/scp... then they already have access. |
| 17:07.51 | engelsen | Flimzy: well, that was my first thought is it better not to ? |
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| 17:08.37 | engelsen | Flimzy: sftp is a deb package ? |
| 17:08.48 | vchrizz | hum, many applikations have a maskcot like linux the penguin or apache the feather or similar ... does anybody know an app that uses a cheetah as mascot? |
| 17:08.58 | stew | keko_: it says "cant open somethink"? give us the real error message |
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| 17:09.28 | keko_ | stew: first tell me how i can restart my network. i just rebooted srv.. |
| 17:09.45 | stew | keko_: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:09.45 | ricky_clarkson | Flimzy: sftp is part of ssh (or openssh). |
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| 17:09.52 | keko_ | stew: /etc/init.d/network restart <- this not work |
| 17:10.00 | vchrizz | keko_: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 17:10.06 | asg | vchrizz: http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/ |
| 17:10.14 | stew | keko_: why doesn't it work? you have to tell us the error message |
| 17:10.23 | Flimzy | engelsen: sftp comes with ssh (see what ricky_clarkson accidentally said to me) |
| 17:10.23 | stew | keko_: and its networking, not network |
| 17:10.33 | ricky_clarkson | Flimzy: Duh ;) |
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| 17:10.55 | engelsen | Flimzy: so apt-get install vsftp will give them acess through an sftp client |
| 17:11.08 | engelsen | Flimzy: ok |
| 17:11.09 | keko_ | stew: couldent read interfaces files "/etc/network/interfaces/ |
| 17:11.36 | stew | keko_: does the file exist? |
| 17:11.36 | vchrizz | asg: hum, template engine is a script not an app imo? |
| 17:11.40 | engelsen | ricky_clarkson: so I already have sftp access for all my users through the ssh package then |
| 17:11.40 | jethro | hi #debian |
| 17:11.45 | keko_ | stew: yeah |
| 17:11.48 | paulswm | jethro! |
| 17:11.55 | stew | keko_: what are the permissions on the file? |
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| 17:12.19 | Flimzy | man... FFmpeg versions are a nightmare |
| 17:12.26 | asg | vchrizz: the definintion could go either way. Try googling since that's the only one I'm aware of. |
| 17:12.33 | alex_ | how do I do to know which shell I am using |
| 17:12.37 | alex_ | echo something ? |
| 17:12.40 | asg | alex_: echo $SHELL |
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| 17:12.50 | alex_ | arg I tried that lower case |
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| 17:13.18 | asg | alex_: by convention, environment variables are usually all upper case. |
| 17:13.26 | vchrizz | asg: heh, i googled already, thats why im asking ... :D |
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| 17:13.50 | vchrizz | but nvm, just asking |
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| 17:14.22 | keko_ | stew: 777 |
| 17:14.28 | tzafrir_home | how exactly do I set the "incoming" directory for mini-dinstall? I seem to be missing something in the docs |
| 17:14.37 | stew | keko_: when did this stop working? what did you do to break it? who set the permissions to 777? why? |
| 17:14.48 | Frater_Sx | hi everyone |
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| 17:15.31 | keko_ | stew: couldent read interfaces files "/etc/network/interfaces/:13: option with empty value |
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| 17:15.36 | stew | ahh |
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| 17:15.49 | stew | keko_: and why didn't you say that like 10 lines ago? |
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| 17:15.54 | mbc | anyone got a suggestion to what program I should use to program Java - in Linux / debian? |
| 17:16.02 | stew | keko_: so fix the error on line 13 |
| 17:16.06 | keko_ | stew: i just change it give same error with normal chmod.. |
| 17:16.11 | keko_ | stew: okey |
| 17:16.18 | vchrizz | mbc: vim/nano/... :D |
| 17:16.18 | jethro | mbc: vim |
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| 17:16.26 | jethro | !start an editor war |
| 17:16.26 | dpkg | zile is known to decrease your lifespan |
| 17:16.29 | destr0 | how do you add a script located in /etc/init.d to be executed automatically at startup? |
| 17:16.37 | mbc | jethro : okay =) - what else? =) |
| 17:16.44 | alex_ | I have some binaries in $HOME/local/bin, and I want to add the PATH to my .bash_profile, as advice by bogon I have put export PATH="$PATH:/home/dimitri/local/bin", logged out and back in again, still the command is not found |
| 17:16.47 | Vlat | mbc: j2se + make-jpkg + eclipse is my bet :) |
| 17:16.55 | stew | why does it have to be like pulling teeth to get people to tell us what error they are having, cripes |
| 17:16.56 | Vlat | mbc: you can use vim either |
| 17:17.01 | tzafrir_home | destr0: update_rc.d |
| 17:17.04 | mbc | ahh ya.. eclipse! |
| 17:17.11 | asg | alex_: did you do 'export PATH= ....' |
| 17:17.22 | keko_ | stew: im making a gateway.. and i need to add in that files GATEWAY="eth0" |
| 17:17.38 | stew | its like people think i wanna be on some kind of error message scavenger hunt |
| 17:17.43 | jethro | mbc: well, if you want a gui developpment interface, I dunno, if you just want to edit files, just pick the editor you like the best, I d go for vim |
| 17:17.44 | alex_ | asg: no I just wrote it in my .bash_profile |
| 17:18.01 | stew | keko_: what makes you think you need to add that? |
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| 17:18.10 | asg | alex_: then put export PATH=... ; source ~/.bash_profile (see if that helps) |
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| 17:18.25 | destr0 | I always use source profile when I edit the profile file |
| 17:18.27 | asg | alex_: replace the dots with the real statement of course |
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| 17:18.39 | stew | keko_: GATEWAY="eth0" <-- did you make that up yourself or read that somewhere? |
| 17:18.43 | xarg | if i do 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb' will that copy a running system to a blank disk? |
| 17:18.48 | asg | stew: sounds suspiciously redhatish |
| 17:18.56 | jethro | xarg: it will |
| 17:19.00 | Flimzy | I find it interesting that my Duron 1.3Ghz system over NFS is almost as fast as my XP 2400+ with local filesystem, when running transcode |
| 17:19.08 | bogon | alex_: .bash_profile is only read when bash is started as a login shell |
| 17:19.09 | Phil-- | hi |
| 17:19.14 | Frater_Sx | I would like to configure my keyboard with X11 but I forgot where to look and how to do that. |
| 17:19.17 | Phil-- | ihr neiger :D |
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| 17:19.26 | alex_ | asg: does not help |
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| 17:19.28 | Frater_Sx | I need a UK mapping but now it's US |
| 17:19.35 | Phil-- | was geht ab gei euch ihr... schwarzen... :D |
| 17:19.37 | tzafrir_home | xarg: if it is a running system, then chances are you'll copy something broken. tar has less chances of copying broken files |
| 17:19.45 | stew | Frater_Sx: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 17:19.45 | tzafrir_home | (or eevn cp -a) |
| 17:19.54 | Phil-- | deutsche hier? |
| 17:19.57 | asg | alex_: ? paste exactly the line you put in ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:19.57 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:19.58 | alex_ | bogon: meaning ? if I modify it and log out and in again, should not it read it ? |
| 17:20.00 | stew | !de |
| 17:20.00 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 17:20.00 | Halahad | destr0 : try to use update-rc.d |
| 17:20.07 | keko_ | stew: u see that ? |
| 17:20.11 | bogon | alex_: how do you log out? |
| 17:20.19 | alex_ | asg: that is what I have done |
| 17:20.27 | alex_ | bogon: logout |
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| 17:20.32 | Frater_Sx | cool |
| 17:20.33 | asg | alex_: where did you paste it? in #flood? |
| 17:20.38 | Hmmhesays | in lilo.conf can you put the path directly to vmlinuz and initrd.img? or does the path have to be to symlinks |
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| 17:21.02 | tzafrir_home | Hmmhesays: sure it can be a direct path |
| 17:21.04 | stew | keko_: see what? no. |
| 17:21.09 | alex_ | asg: export PATH="$PATH:/home/dimitri/local/bin" source ~/.bash_profile |
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| 17:21.11 | bogon | alex_: on a virtual console? |
| 17:21.18 | Vlat | Hmmhesays: like you want |
| 17:21.18 | alex_ | bogon: sshing |
| 17:21.19 | keko_ | what i write you in private |
| 17:21.21 | Phil-- | how do i mount a ntfs drive so that a normal user got access? |
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| 17:21.35 | Haukkari | Hello everybody. Would someone know how to activate SSL in Sarge's Apache2-package? |
| 17:21.36 | keko_ | Fix your default gateway, edit /etc/sysconfig/network, add to it |
| 17:21.37 | asg | alex_: 'source ~/.bash_profile' is a command you can run after editing the file. It doesn't go in there. |
| 17:21.37 | keko_ | GATEWAYDEV="eth0" |
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| 17:21.50 | stew | keko_: no i didn't see it, don't /msg me |
| 17:21.52 | asg | keko_: man 5 interfaces, /msg dpkg faq |
| 17:21.52 | alex_ | asg, I thought it was strange also |
| 17:21.55 | paulswm | Phil--: in man mount, under ntfs options, user and group |
| 17:22.00 | stew | keko_: /etc/sysconfig/network sounds like a redhatism |
| 17:22.06 | stew | keko_: man 5 interfaces |
| 17:22.07 | fuat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.23 | paulswm | Phil--: sry, uid and gid |
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| 17:22.23 | alex_ | asg: so what do I do wrong |
| 17:22.28 | keko_ | stew: yeah, i was thinking it means in debian /etc/network/ |
| 17:22.31 | keko_ | :P |
| 17:22.33 | stew | keko_: it doesn't |
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| 17:22.48 | stew | keko_: it means you need to find debian specific instructions |
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| 17:23.02 | stew | keko_: like man 5 interfaces |
| 17:23.02 | asg | alex_: export PATH="$PATH:/home/dimitri/local/bin" (put that in ~/.bash_profile then type 'source ~/.bash_profile' to re-read the file.) |
| 17:23.15 | asg | alex_: if that doesn't work, paste the output of 'echo $PATH' |
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| 17:23.39 | alex_ | asg: ok I have put this in .bash_profile, but if I log out and log back in again it should read the file no ? |
| 17:23.48 | keko_ | stew: can you tell me where is that in debian |
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| 17:23.57 | keko_ | pls |
| 17:24.09 | stew | keko_: what do you expect that to do? |
| 17:24.21 | stew | keko_: or do you mean where is "man 5 interfaces" |
| 17:24.23 | asg | alex_: yes, unless you aren't using a bourne shell or derivative. |
| 17:24.36 | Nack|OUT | afternunin ladiezzz & gentelmen.. :] |
| 17:24.37 | asg | s/shell/again shell/ |
| 17:24.43 | alex_ | asg not I am logging remotly via ssh |
| 17:24.53 | asg | alex_: then that's why |
| 17:24.58 | asg | alex_: man bash (/INVOCATION) |
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| 17:25.31 | asg | alex_: ssh logins only touch ~/.bashrc (~/.bash_profile is not run) |
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| 17:25.49 | fuat | keko_: where from? |
| 17:25.57 | Frater_Sx | hey I have tried dpkg-reconfigure console-data but the keymap remains the same |
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| 17:26.34 | stew | Frater_Sx: thats is for the console keymap, not the x keymap |
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| 17:26.36 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: becouse you reconfigured console |
| 17:26.39 | alex_ | asg: ah ok, but that is strange because I have recently compiled an app in my remote home and I needed to specify another dir to look for libraries and this worked well |
| 17:26.49 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 17:27.07 | stew | Frater_Sx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or use setxkbmap |
| 17:27.19 | stew | Frater_Sx: setxkbmap doesn't persist between x sessions |
| 17:27.23 | Vlat | search for Option "XkbLayout" |
| 17:27.36 | Vlat | and substitute whatever you want in the second parameter |
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| 17:28.00 | alex_ | asg so should I put my export line there then ? |
| 17:28.05 | Vlat | Option "XkbLayout" "uk" in your case |
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| 17:28.35 | Vlat | (Or should it be XkbVariant... :)) 0 |
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| 17:32.02 | keir | anyone here know which package has x11.pc, randr.pc, and xdmcp.pc? |
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| 17:32.10 | keir | i'm trying to compile xserver (from f.d.o) |
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| 17:32.28 | greycat | keir: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:32.31 | anhi | xorg > xfree86 |
| 17:32.40 | asg | alex_: yes, put it in ~/.bashrc and see if that fixes it. (also, make sure that ~/.bash_profile sources ~/.bashrc too (it should be an if / fi construct that's commented. Just uncomment it)) |
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| 17:34.18 | Peto77 | how can i set number of rows and columns in terminal? |
| 17:34.18 | keir | greycat, tried both of those (though dpkg -S is useless because i'm missing those files) with no luck already... |
| 17:35.08 | greycat | I see at least FOUR things in that factoid, so the word "both" is a bit confusing. |
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| 17:35.23 | ravenbird | ROOOOOT has landed! |
| 17:35.37 | elirips | hi people. i am a little bit afraid of this error msg i got while copying files: 'hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }'. and them some more.. is that telling me that my hdb is going t oget wasted soon? |
| 17:35.38 | dpkg | Many greetings, people. i am a little bit afraid of this error msg i got while copying files: 'hdb: read_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error }'. and them some more.. is that telling me that my hdb is going t oget wasted soon, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 17:35.56 | idnar | oh dear |
| 17:35.56 | paulswm | WTF is wrong with the bot? |
| 17:36.00 | keko_ | where is in debian /etc/sysconfig/network i must add this line on it GATEWAYDEV="eth0".. |
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| 17:36.12 | elirips | dpkg: you suck ;) |
| 17:36.12 | idnar | paulswm: it picked up the "hi ..." |
| 17:36.12 | greycat | paulswm: it's apparently been brainwashed. |
| 17:36.14 | paulswm | elirips: looks like a dying drive |
| 17:36.21 | piernik | in which package I can find ps2pdf? |
| 17:36.26 | greycat | piernik: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:36.26 | elirips | paulswm: damn. how fast dying? |
| 17:36.46 | Frater_Sx | vlat: it still does not work |
| 17:36.49 | Frater_Sx | my keyboard is stuck as US |
| 17:36.54 | paulswm | elirips: depends. I would get what you can off it right now, it could go in 2 minutes or a few hours |
| 17:36.56 | Frater_Sx | even if I reconfigure the whole thing for UK |
| 17:37.19 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: wait a moment |
| 17:37.42 | elirips | paulswm: but definitly a irreparable hardware error? |
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| 17:38.10 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: let's call it Great Britan, so "gb" instead "uk" |
| 17:38.26 | paulswm | elirips: Whenever I've seen it, it has been 0 and confirmed by the manufacturer's diag software. |
| 17:38.34 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: i don't really know, are there any real differences between two keymaps (uk and gb) |
| 17:38.35 | paulswm | s/0// |
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| 17:39.03 | elirips | paulswm: manufacturer's diag software? you know if that is available for linux for ibm-harddisks? |
| 17:39.24 | Frater_Sx | vlat: thanks =) |
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| 17:39.36 | asg | keko_: there is no /etc/sysconfig/network in debian as you have been told. man 5 interfaces, /msg dpkg faq |
| 17:39.41 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: you're welcome :) |
| 17:39.55 | alex_ | asg: no it does not fix anything, although I have what you told me to check. besides I even have a if fi statment that tell to include the $HOME/bin in the PATH if it exists. I have try to modify this so that instead it look for $HOME/local/bin (thats where is my binaries) but it did not change a thing. the strange thing is that an echo $PATH outputs ....:$HOME/bin |
| 17:40.05 | alex_ | I don't knwo where to look at now. |
| 17:40.18 | alex_ | my shell is zsh, it should not matter should it ? |
| 17:40.18 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: and don't foreget to restart X11 |
| 17:40.30 | asg | alex_: yes |
| 17:40.40 | paulswm | elirips: check the manufacturer's site, most disks come with a bootable floppy or cd with the diagnostics, also should be downloadable form the manufacturere's web site, but if I were you I would back up your drive NOW before doing anything else |
| 17:40.44 | greycat | !wikifaq alex_ DotFiles |
| 17:40.44 | asg | alex_: iirc, zsh doesn't use ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc at all. man zsh (/INVOCATION) |
| 17:40.45 | dpkg | alex_: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:41.43 | elirips | paulswm: backup is already done, going to search through the ibm site now... what a pitty i got no floppy or cd drive in this computer... ah, i got a bad feeling about this weekend ;( |
| 17:42.07 | alex_ | asg: but this is not logical, I compiled ICECAST2 a few hour ago and it did notfound a lib that I had installed under $HOME/local/lib, so in my .bash_profile I put LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/local/lib; export LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 17:42.12 | alex_ | and it worked |
| 17:42.16 | alex_ | is this different ? |
| 17:42.41 | keko_ | asg: tell how i can conf that |
| 17:42.43 | paulswm | !comfort elirips |
| 17:42.44 | dpkg | There, there, elirips. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:42.52 | asg | alex_: make probably used /bin/sh |
| 17:42.59 | Frater_Sx | Vlat you were right! |
| 17:43.05 | Frater_Sx | Vlat thank you very much! =) |
| 17:43.11 | elirips | :) |
| 17:43.15 | alex_ | asg ahhh I see |
| 17:43.20 | alex_ | ok |
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| 17:43.23 | asg | keko_: have you read the faq? no. If you had, under the networking section, you would have seen the example that includes the 'gateway=ip' line you need. |
| 17:43.43 | Vlat | Frater_Sx: you're welcome. But please describe me, are there really so much differences between United Kingdom and Great Britany ? :) |
| 17:43.50 | greycat | Great Britney? |
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| 17:44.12 | asg | keko_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage (section 1.5) |
| 17:44.18 | paulswm | Grate Britney? |
| 17:44.19 | Frater_Sx | Vlat: probably Great Britain is the name of the isle %) |
| 17:44.20 | asg | greycat: Isle of Spears? |
| 17:45.07 | ricky_clarkson | Great Britain comprises numerous islands, and part of one. |
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| 17:45.15 | ricky_clarkson | No, that's wrong. |
| 17:45.15 | paulswm | Vlat: Great Britain does not include Northern Ireland, United Kingdom is short for "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" |
| 17:45.21 | ricky_clarkson | Great Britain comprises numerous islands. |
| 17:45.25 | greycat | plus whatever else they've conquered and not lost control of yet. |
| 17:45.30 | Vlat | on my memory UK is GB excluding some isles |
| 17:45.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: No, that would be the British Empire, or Commonwealth. |
| 17:45.40 | keko_ | asg: okey i get it |
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| 17:45.55 | asg | $GOD be praised |
| 17:45.59 | ricky_clarkson | GB is England, Wales, Scotland plus some islands. UK is GB+NI. |
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| 17:46.05 | Vlat | paulswm: thanks for the full answer :) |
| 17:46.13 | paulswm | Vlat: you are most welcome :) |
| 17:46.19 | ricky_clarkson | British Isles is all the associated islands. |
| 17:46.30 | Vlat | ricky_clarkson: thank you too |
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| 17:46.57 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Just glad we're both well-informed - no arguing ;) |
| 17:47.14 | RichiH | paulswm: mentor will be happy to tell you about the special status Isle of Man has. i always forget |
| 17:47.20 | njan | the Commonwealth isn't the empire, ricky_clarkson. |
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| 17:47.36 | maketo | hi, is there any way to come up with some kind of tangible numbers about a performance of a linux system over time (something like performance monitoring/recording/breakdown) |
| 17:47.41 | njan | ricky_clarkson, the commonwealth is only ~40 years old, and comprises lots of countries never part of the empire. |
| 17:47.43 | paulswm | RichiH: I'm aware of it. MY mother lived there until a couple of weeks ago. |
| 17:47.54 | RichiH | paulswm: oh, ok :) |
| 17:48.06 | RichiH | paulswm: yo mamma |
| 17:48.18 | greycat | !yomama RichiH |
| 17:48.19 | dpkg | RichiH: yo' mama so fat she needs a sock for each toe |
| 17:48.21 | paulswm | RichiH: In Ramsey. We went over to wtahc the TT races a fes times. |
| 17:48.24 | Flimzy | Can anyone tell me if it's possible to put arbitrary data files on a DVD-Video disc? |
| 17:48.35 | schizoschaf | anyone knows hot to tell lilo about another linux distro on another hardrive? trying since 2 weeks |
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| 17:48.51 | Flimzy | schizoschaf: man lilo |
| 17:48.54 | dwu | grey hey i figured out what was wrong with djbdns |
| 17:49.08 | greycat | schizoschaf: image=/whatever root=/whatever |
| 17:49.09 | alex_ | asg: okay I got it ouf ! thanks |
| 17:49.17 | Haukkari | Well, hello, folks... I removed apache-ssl a moment ago and then removed the init-script by hand and now it won't create the init-script when I install the package. Any ideas? |
| 17:49.23 | greycat | dwu: what was it? |
| 17:49.25 | dwu | i fucked up the permission in the /service/tinydns folder |
| 17:49.43 | dwu | the log had trouble reading stuff in log |
| 17:49.50 | sepski | Haukkari, try apt-get install --reinstall apache-ssl |
| 17:49.54 | dwu | so my fault :) but i understood the system a lot better.. i must say its hella elegant ;p |
| 17:50.01 | Vlat | Haukkari: dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 17:50.02 | asg | alex_: you're welcome |
| 17:50.04 | sepski | Haukkari, or the file ytou |
| 17:50.06 | Haukkari | Vlat: oh |
| 17:50.12 | RichiH | greycat: yo mamma is so fat, she has a little fat mamma in orbit around her |
| 17:50.12 | sepski | deleted was part of another package |
| 17:50.13 | Haukkari | sepski, Vlat: thanks. |
| 17:50.26 | schizoschaf | greycat, it doesnt find the image. image is sthg like vmlinuz right? |
| 17:50.26 | Vlat | Haukkari: you're welcome :) |
| 17:50.28 | asg | paulswm: after the Monaco GP |
| 17:50.39 | greycat | schizoschaf: yes. you'd have to MOUNT the other distro before running lilo. |
| 17:50.50 | asg | fg jethro |
| 17:50.56 | greycat | schizoschaf: (unless the kernel image in question is on one of the debian file systems, yadda yadda yadda) |
| 17:51.15 | schizoschaf | thx greycat could have thought of this myself |
| 17:51.42 | greycat | disown %jethro |
| 17:51.52 | schizoschaf | then image=/mnt/dir/boot/vmlinuz? |
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| 17:52.07 | alex_ | is there a quick way to see in % the use of my CPU ? |
| 17:52.13 | greycat | alex_: top, vmstat |
| 17:52.13 | asg | alex_: top |
| 17:52.21 | alex_ | thnks |
| 17:52.22 | sigma957 | grub question for you all. my roommate was in windows and opened up partition magic. she didn't change anything, but now, grub won't boot. I get an error 17. Linux used to be /dev/hda7 is now hda6. I've changed the menu.lst and fstab. I can get in using knoppix to boot, but my grub boot floppy gets the same error 17, although it works on my box. any suggestions? |
| 17:52.23 | Vlat | alex_: top |
| 17:52.38 | Vlat | alex_: or uptime :) |
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| 17:55.18 | greycat | Vlat: uptime doesn't show "percent used" |
| 17:55.33 | greycat | not that "percent used" is particularly *meaningful*, but PHBs like it. |
| 17:56.01 | Vlat | greycat: is see, had skipped "precent" word in the sentence |
| 17:56.16 | asg | greycat: time to code 'vmstat2prettygraph' |
| 17:56.22 | greycat | asg: rrdtool |
| 17:56.36 | Haukkari | Vlat: nope |
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| 17:56.42 | asg | greycat: sadly I have PHBs who find rrdtool's output to be not sexy enough. |
| 17:56.44 | Haukkari | Vlat: dpkg-reconfigure didn't give me back the init-script.. nor did the --reinstall |
| 17:56.48 | Haukkari | :( |
| 17:56.52 | greycat | just remember you always want to skip the *first* row of vmstat's output numbers because that's a useless summary. |
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| 17:57.15 | greycat | asg: use more colors |
| 17:57.21 | Haukkari | Little help here, folks? How do I get back an init script for a program? I removed the init-script by hand after I had apt-get removed the program and it won't come back. |
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| 17:57.25 | Vlat | Haukkari: quick and dirty solution. open pkg by hand, using mc for example, and just copy whatever you want :) |
| 17:57.27 | greycat | Haukkari: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 17:57.34 | asg | greycat: true |
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| 17:58.24 | Haukkari | greycat: thank you, and Vlat, I'll remember that in case I can't get it back otherwise. :D |
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| 17:58.37 | DrFooMod2 | is there a switch that I can pass the kernel that will resolve i8253 count too high! resetting.. errors? |
| 17:58.47 | asg | Vlat: mc opens debs now? |
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| 17:58.56 | greycat | DrFooMod2: doesn't sound like an error to me. |
| 17:59.01 | bogon | asg: yes |
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| 17:59.06 | Vlat | asg: it does |
| 17:59.16 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: the kernel is spitting it to the console |
| 17:59.18 | asg | bogon: nifty |
| 17:59.34 | greycat | DrFooMod2: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 17:59.35 | Vlat | asg: very usefull feature sometimes |
| 17:59.37 | tazman | sarge is 15 iso's, which ones are needed for basic setup? |
| 17:59.41 | greycat | tazman: none. |
| 17:59.45 | tazman | lol |
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| 17:59.51 | greycat | !d-i tazman |
| 17:59.52 | dpkg | tazman, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:59.55 | asg | Vlat: I'm not the type to use it but I can see the utility. |
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| 18:00.34 | Vlat | asg: it's useful for investigation, what file will go where |
| 18:00.49 | asg | Vlat: oh, dpkg -L shows that info and you can grep it. |
| 18:00.58 | Haukkari | greycat: that helped. Thanks a lot. |
| 18:01.08 | asg | Vlat: is the mc / dpkg functionality a debian specific patch or is it in upstream now? |
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| 18:01.26 | Vlat | asg: IMHO upstream |
| 18:01.31 | asg | Vlat: cool |
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| 18:01.50 | RichiH | shit |
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| 18:02.20 | Delph | *eyebrow* |
| 18:02.20 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: i did a quick grep for i8253 in /var/log/syslog and there are quite a few of those errors |
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| 18:02.32 | greycat | DrFooMod2: so fix your hardware or your driver, whichever is more broken. |
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| 18:02.38 | paulswm | sigma957: 1. Smack your roommate. 2. confirm your partiton numbering by running 'sfdisk -l /dev/hda' from knoppix root. 3. boot from the grub floppy. 4. reinstall grub |
| 18:02.40 | aaryal | hi folks, anyone have a suggestion for a PCI wireless card? preferable 'g', but no 'super g' or the likes..? that works out of the box (without ndiswrapper or having to compile the modules?) |
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| 18:03.15 | DrFooMod2 | greycat: easier said than done. the google'ing that i;ve done hasn;t come up w/ much. i'm not sure what to look at 1st |
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| 18:03.55 | greycat | well, which hardware is an i8253? PCMCIA thingy? NIC? |
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| 18:04.45 | DrFooMod2 | not a lappie, so probably NIC |
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| 18:06.22 | greycat | tazman: then wait for it to go stable, fool. |
| 18:06.24 | asg | !tell root_ about root |
| 18:06.27 | sebuxmepis | someone french? |
| 18:06.30 | greycat | !fr |
| 18:06.31 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 18:07.05 | greycat | what the hell would you want a non-stable distro on a non-internet-connected computer for? are you going to burn a new CD every day for all the updates? |
| 18:07.23 | tazman | developers want, developers get |
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| 18:07.33 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I run sid on a machine without a network at home. |
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| 18:07.39 | Vlat | isn't i8253 is rtc ? |
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| 18:07.51 | greycat | Vlat: google points in that general sort of direction. |
| 18:07.53 | tazman | I have to humor people, they want to hang themselves fine by me |
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| 18:08.09 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I installed it and configured it how I wanted ages ago, if I want to update something, I take it on a zip drive. If I want to update lots, I bring it to work. |
| 18:08.24 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: but you're not a "shop". |
| 18:08.26 | Flimzy | Someone needs to build LVE for Debian |
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| 18:09.12 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Ah. Missed the context. |
| 18:09.19 | greycat | tazman: well, it's your computer, or your responsibility. you can do what you want. |
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| 18:10.17 | sobersabre | guys, what is the file .camel_certs for ? |
| 18:10.30 | tazman | lol, it is their computer, on a development firewall lan, I could care less what they do |
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| 18:10.51 | greycat | tazman: but your responsibility, it would seem. anyway, do what you will. |
| 18:11.02 | tazman | nope, I am just a messenger |
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| 18:11.10 | peetah | does anyone got expierence with mysql++ (Connector/C++) ? |
| 18:11.26 | sobersabre | peetah: what seems to be the problem ? |
| 18:11.36 | peetah | sobersabre: /configure --with-mysql=/usr/bin/mysql --with-mysql-lib=/usr/lib/ :: checking for MySQL library directory... configure: error: Didn't find the mysql library dir in '' <-- haha is it stupid or what? |
| 18:12.15 | sobersabre | what is the version of mysql lib and of the connector ? |
| 18:12.26 | greycat | jesus. |
| 18:12.35 | greycat | apt-cache search -- mysql -dev |
| 18:12.46 | greycat | if that gives you too many hits, add --names-only before the -- |
| 18:12.48 | peetah | sobersabre: 12 | 1.7.9 |
| 18:13.07 | peetah | greycat: already done that, but c++ failes to locate sqlplus.hh |
| 18:13.23 | sobersabre | 12 ? |
| 18:13.25 | sigma957 | paulswm: I can't boot from the grub floppy, even though it does work on my machine. |
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| 18:13.38 | greycat | peetah: config.log |
| 18:13.49 | paulswm | sigma957: The floppy won't boot to a grub prompt? |
| 18:14.17 | peetah | sobersabre: libmysqlclient12 |
| 18:14.29 | sobersabre | i see. |
| 18:14.37 | sobersabre | let's synchronize. |
| 18:14.59 | vchrizz | how do i compress a 11mb avi file under the console? |
| 18:15.00 | peetah | greycat: what about it? it prints the error during the installation. |
| 18:15.04 | Frater_Sx | thank you for your help! bye =) |
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| 18:15.12 | greycat | peetah: read 'em. see what's wrong. fix it. |
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| 18:15.44 | peetah | greycat: as i said, it does not give any extra error information, |
| 18:15.58 | greycat | peetah: I find that extraordinarily unlikely. |
| 18:16.04 | anhi | where's the firefox 1.0.1 debian package :/ |
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| 18:16.16 | greycat | !sedate anhi |
| 18:16.19 | sigma957 | paulswm: no, I get the error 17 booting from either hd or floppy. it seems to be a partition problem, I think |
| 18:16.23 | peetah | greycat: configure:3165: checking for MySQL library directory |
| 18:16.23 | peetah | configure:3178: error: Didn't find the mysql library dir in '' |
| 18:16.31 | peetah | what did i tell you? |
| 18:16.38 | greycat | peetah: it doesn't have a sample C program and the gcc command and so on? |
| 18:16.58 | peetah | greycat: docs are so poorly written that, no. |
| 18:17.07 | greycat | peetah: also, WHY in satan's name is it looking in ''? |
| 18:17.08 | paulswm | sigma957: Well if you can't get a floppy to boot, it seems that you also have a bios or floppy problem |
| 18:17.08 | peetah | only examples of how to connect etc. |
| 18:17.10 | js_ | how do i do a tilde with a us layout keyboard? |
| 18:17.20 | ricky_clarkson | js_: Shift-and the top-left key? |
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| 18:17.28 | ricky_clarkson | [not escape] |
| 18:17.30 | sobersabre | peetah: you are impatient. |
| 18:17.31 | js_ | ricky_clarkson: thanks :) |
| 18:17.31 | greycat | peetah: go bother the upstream maintainers of whatever crap this is that you're attempting to build. it's obviously got issues. |
| 18:17.32 | peetah | greycat: well the .configure said use --with-mysql and --with-mysql-lib and it doesn't not understand that. |
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| 18:17.47 | peetah | greycat: if it was that easy, i would have done so. |
| 18:17.56 | ricky_clarkson | js_: I'm on a UK keyboard here, my memory is good though. |
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| 18:18.03 | sobersabre | cant you write ./configure --help | less ? |
| 18:18.09 | greycat | sobersabre: that would require Clue. |
| 18:18.22 | peetah | sobersabre: as i said, i did that.. |
| 18:18.48 | sobersabre | peetah: don't behave as a laffah |
| 18:18.52 | sigma957 | paulswm: thanks for trying! :) |
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| 18:19.09 | peetah | --with-mysql=<path> --with-mysql-lib=<path> ... |
| 18:19.18 | paulswm | sigma957: sorry I couldn't help more, don't forget to smack your roommmate :) |
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| 18:19.39 | sobersabre | peetah: path of what ? is it supposed to be /usr/bin or file name of client executable ? |
| 18:20.07 | marcel_ | it says path |
| 18:20.33 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 18:21.06 | marcel_ | what are we trying to install here? |
| 18:21.10 | satelite | hi, how to reg my nick? |
| 18:21.13 | paulswm | sigma957: I've just realized - if yoy are getting a 17 from a floppy boot, then your floppy *is* booting, because that's a message from the second stage loader. |
| 18:21.15 | greycat | sobersabre: *usually* when a ./configure wants a "path" to something, it wants the exact path that was given as --prefix= when that something was installed. So typically "/usr" or "/usr/local". |
| 18:21.15 | asg | satelite: /msg nickserv help |
| 18:21.25 | greycat | sobersabre: but not always. |
| 18:21.55 | sobersabre | greycat: i never disagreed on that ... :) |
| 18:21.57 | peetah | i've tried g++ -I /usr/include <myprogram.cpp> |
| 18:21.57 | paulswm | sigma957: you should create a boot floppy per the grub into doc which just has the firsst stage loader on it, that will get you to a grub prompt on booting the floppy |
| 18:21.59 | peetah | but no.. |
| 18:22.15 | paulswm | s/ito/info/ |
| 18:22.25 | marcel_ | peetah, g++ -I/usr/include test.cpp |
| 18:22.38 | greycat | sobersabre: sorry if I'm using you as a go-between to the idiot, but I can't seem to communicate to him directly... |
| 18:23.01 | hooya | any recommendations on a PCI 802.11g cards? |
| 18:23.15 | tazman | don't use them |
| 18:23.19 | rod_ | i got a http dir with lots of files of the same extension... How to get these with wget? :( Wget --help or man wget didnt do the trick |
| 18:23.28 | peetah | marcel: gjallarhorn:~# g++ -I/usr/include test.cpp |
| 18:23.28 | peetah | test.cpp:3:22: sqlplus.hh: No such file or directory |
| 18:23.35 | greycat | rod_: how can wget know all of the filenames? |
| 18:23.40 | ricky_clarkson | rod_: Is there an index file? |
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| 18:23.48 | peetah | path to sqlplus.hh i: /usr/include/sqlplus |
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| 18:23.58 | marcel_ | peetah, find / -name "sqlplus.hh" |
| 18:23.59 | J_P | i doing transcode from v4l : /usr/local/bin/vlc --noaudio --color -vvv v4l:/dev/video0:norm=ntsc:fps=20:frequency=543250:size=720x240:channel=1 .. transcoding to mpeg-4, but image are bad in somes objects... as cars.... |
| 18:24.03 | hooya | how about 802.11b PCI cards? |
| 18:24.08 | greycat | peetah: then it should be #include <sqlplus/sqlplus.hh> in the code. |
| 18:24.19 | rod_ | yes ricky_clarkson |
| 18:24.32 | ricky_clarkson | rod_: look for the 'recursive' option. |
| 18:24.35 | rod_ | i know wget can fetch all links in a file... I just cant find it anywhere anymore |
| 18:24.46 | rod_ | recorsive? alright, sounds cool +) |
| 18:24.50 | rod_ | (recursive |
| 18:24.50 | greycat | peetah: ... *OR*, there should be something like g++ `sqlplus --cflags` -c mythingy.cpp in the makefile. |
| 18:25.08 | ricky_clarkson | The recursive option (recursive (recursive (recursive (hey, (is (this (lisp (yet?))))))))))) |
| 18:25.26 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: unbalanced parens. |
| 18:25.29 | appaji | I am using the aterm-ml and find that the characters for threading in mutt don't appear ok. This problem doesn't exist with rxvt, how should I correct his? |
| 18:25.36 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I let key repeat handle it. |
| 18:25.41 | greycat | appaji: by using rxvt |
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| 18:25.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I'll go back in time and sort it. Later. |
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| 18:26.45 | rod_ | bingo ricky_clarkson :D |
| 18:26.55 | appaji | greycat: I understand, but I was wondering if this is a bug in aterm that I should be filing, or if there is something else that I am missing (like an X fonts package that I have to install). |
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| 18:27.24 | ricky_clarkson | rod_: HOUSE! |
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| 18:27.32 | rod_ | lol |
| 18:27.33 | J_P | deinterlace process is really beeter form for get out fliker ? |
| 18:27.36 | greycat | -ml is probably some weird non-American thang that I wouldn't understand. |
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| 18:28.51 | appaji | and test again. |
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| 18:31.21 | maketo | has anyone used sar before? |
| 18:31.32 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 18:31.33 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:31.45 | maketo | ahh sorry |
| 18:31.52 | Spec | someone asked if anyone used lvm earlier today |
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| 18:32.08 | maketo | I am basically trying to figure out a way to obtain performance information about a system that I inherited from someone |
| 18:32.17 | asg | maketo: then sar is a good tool for that |
| 18:32.28 | maketo | asg: yes but I need the information back to the last reboot |
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| 18:32.46 | ravenbird | ROOT has landed! |
| 18:32.54 | maketo | asg: which was 87 days ago |
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| 18:33.47 | asg | maketo: are the daily data available in /var/log/sysstat ? |
| 18:33.49 | lopuz | How do i configure network in debian? |
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| 18:33.58 | lopuz | is there any script of some kind? |
| 18:33.59 | asg | lopuz: /msg dpkg faq (NetworkPage) |
| 18:34.04 | greycat | maketo: they should have thought of that 87 days ago. |
| 18:34.10 | appaji | greycat: sounds like it was any issue with my $LANG setting. aterm-ml works fine when I set it to en_US. |
| 18:34.22 | greycat | !wikifar lopuz NetworkingPage |
| 18:34.26 | greycat | !wikifaq lopuz NetworkingPage |
| 18:34.26 | dpkg | lopuz: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:34.38 | lopuz | okay |
| 18:34.51 | appaji | greenfly: but I'll try and find out why rxvt-unicode was working ok. |
| 18:34.59 | appaji | :s/greenfly/greycat/g |
| 18:35.01 | maketo | greycat : ;) |
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| 18:35.19 | maketo | asg: there seems to be /var/log/sa that contains a buncj of files |
| 18:35.20 | marcel_ | vi |
| 18:35.33 | greycat | maketo: if sar (or whatever tool) wasn't running 87 days ago to collect the stats, then no stats are likely to have been collected. |
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| 18:35.36 | asg | maketo: are they named 'saXXX' where XXX is some number? |
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| 18:35.55 | greycat | asg: but then again, maybe sar *was* installed and running... |
| 18:35.59 | maketo | asg: yeah. should sar -f saXXX be able to provide the info? |
| 18:36.04 | asg | greycat: that's what I'm thinking |
| 18:36.05 | asg | maketo: yes |
| 18:36.06 | appaji | where should I start to find out more about locales, how they work and what is right and wrong? |
| 18:36.19 | appaji | LANG, LOCALE etc. |
| 18:36.31 | maketo | asg: thanks... are these files one per day or...? there seem not to be many of them |
| 18:36.35 | greycat | appaji: if en_US works, then use en_US. |
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| 18:36.48 | greycat | maketo: check the timestamps. |
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| 18:37.13 | asg | maketo: they should be daily. |
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| 18:37.32 | appaji | greycat: but that would mean I'll not be able to help in improving the software to work well in other $LANG/locale settings. |
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| 18:37.42 | maketo | asg: oh, ok, I guess they are kept for one week then |
| 18:37.47 | joefso | How do I find out what non-free software is Installed on the system? |
| 18:37.50 | asg | maketo: usually, the number indicates the day of the month they were generated on |
| 18:37.54 | maketo | asg: since I have 7 of those |
| 18:38.02 | maketo | asg: yup seems like that |
| 18:38.05 | asg | maketo: yeah |
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| 18:38.12 | greycat | appaji: *shrug*, well, set it to es_ES or something and see what happens :) |
| 18:38.42 | appaji | greycat: :) |
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| 18:38.45 | maketo | asg: thank you very, very much |
| 18:38.53 | asg | maketo: you're welcome |
| 18:39.21 | joefso | is there a way to find out what packages installed on the system are non-free? |
| 18:39.32 | boo | does udev mount pci modems as /dev/ttys0 nodes or /dev/modem? |
| 18:39.59 | Flimzy | boo: /dev/modem is only a symlink |
| 18:40.06 | boo | oh! |
| 18:40.09 | boo | thank ya |
| 18:40.28 | asg | joefso: apt-get install vrms |
| 18:40.32 | zarchne | Is there a NIC that would work particularly well (for an older pc being converted to a firewall). All I (think I) know is to avoid RTL-8139. |
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| 18:41.19 | dvs | zarchne, I like the old tulip card. |
| 18:41.19 | Flimzy | zarchne: For a firewall, any old NIC will work in most cases, considering that even 10mbit is far faster than any consumer grade Internet connection. |
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| 18:41.26 | asg | zarchne: I've had good experience with intel eepro100s and various 3com cards (at least on linux, my 3c59x card running on a windows xp box would cause my wireless router to crash periodically ;) |
| 18:41.58 | mrhemlock | <<< likes 3com |
| 18:42.09 | boo | i use netgear cards pretty much |
| 18:42.20 | sussudio | asg: yes. i basically have zero problems with either an eepro100 or even the rtl8139 cheapo cards... 3c900 gives me issues sometimes |
| 18:42.31 | hooya | <<< likes eepro |
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| 18:42.44 | asg | sussudio: yeah |
| 18:42.48 | DrFooMod2 | how do i pass acpi=off to the kernel using GRUB? |
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| 18:43.11 | asg | DrFooMod2: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and append it to the kernel line for the kernel schema you wish to fix |
| 18:43.18 | DrFooMod2 | tx |
| 18:43.22 | hooya | i also liked some smc cards that worked with grub's netboot thingy.. i forget the model. |
| 18:43.27 | dvs | DrFooMod2, Put in on the # kopt line |
| 18:43.28 | zarchne | dvs, Flimzy, asg, mrhemlock, boo, sussudio: thanks. |
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| 18:43.35 | asg | zarchne: you're welcome |
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| 18:43.43 | DrFooMod2 | i see it now in the GRUB editor at boot |
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| 18:43.48 | WebWiz | oi all |
| 18:43.54 | cropped_7 | hi all |
| 18:43.55 | marcel_ | oi? |
| 18:43.59 | jcole | !slashdot |
| 18:44.01 | asg | DrFooMod2: that's only for a one time fix. You need to edit the config file to make it permanent |
| 18:44.02 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (8 of 10): Microsoft Admits Targeting Wine Users ;; The 2005 Wired Rave Awards ;; Dvorak on How Microsoft Can Kill Linux ;; Stem Cell Injections Pioneering Step Forward? ;; New Round of Lawsuits in Preparation for Oscars ;; Floaters are the New Pop-Ups ;; VISA To Push Swipeless Credit Cards ;; Microsoft to Disable Online ... |
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| 18:44.07 | jcole | !ppc |
| 18:44.08 | dpkg | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 18:44.08 | sussudio | !badgerdot |
| 18:44.08 | dpkg | badger ; badger ; badger ; badger ; badger ; linux ; linux ; badger ; badger ; badger ; SCO oooh! It's SCOoooo... |
| 18:44.21 | cropped_7 | can anyone help me with module inclusion? |
| 18:44.26 | WebWiz | is there a livecd with jdk so i can travel from comptuer to computer and develop |
| 18:44.30 | DrFooMod2 | asg: tx |
| 18:44.30 | dvs | cropped_7, hih? |
| 18:44.32 | WebWiz | maybe with eclipse and tomcat as well |
| 18:44.39 | Delph | WebWiz: build it yourself? |
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| 18:44.45 | marcel_ | powerpc superior? |
| 18:44.47 | Delph | probably easier than trying to find one that has the magic for you. |
| 18:44.49 | asg | WebWiz: build one (with bootcd) |
| 18:44.56 | cropped_7 | yeah, where can i get a list of modules |
| 18:45.02 | cropped_7 | looking for a sata_raid |
| 18:45.04 | Delph | WebWiz: not sure where you're putting your jjava files, however. |
| 18:45.11 | dvs | cropped_7, Available or loaded? |
| 18:45.30 | Flimzy | marcel_: for *nix, PPC is probably superior to x86 for most tasks. |
| 18:45.32 | cropped_7 | i don't know, sorry |
| 18:45.35 | cropped_7 | its not loaded |
| 18:45.56 | marcel_ | Flimzy, probably? |
| 18:45.57 | dvs | cropped_7, what module do you want? |
| 18:46.01 | Flimzy | marcel_: It may not be superior when price is considered, tho :) |
| 18:46.09 | asg | Flimzy: including extracting money from your wallet, PPC is very good at that. |
| 18:46.14 | marcel_ | Flimzy, imac is cheap |
| 18:46.14 | cropped_7 | raid controller for fastrack promise 376 |
| 18:46.17 | Flimzy | marcel_: x86 is crap... so it's really not hard to be superior |
| 18:46.21 | marcel_ | Flimzy, i mean, mac mini |
| 18:46.31 | sussudio | asg: there's a fox behind the badger on http://badgercam.webhop.org/ |
| 18:46.35 | asg | sussudio: hah |
| 18:46.36 | cropped_7 | dvs, am i going about this the wrong way? |
| 18:46.51 | dvs | cropped_7, I don't think that module, ft3xx, is included with the kernel. |
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| 18:47.37 | Flimzy | woot! I think I finally have all of transcode's build dependancies installed. Now I get to try actually compiling the darn thing. |
| 18:47.37 | sigma957 | what is /dev/sda? |
| 18:47.43 | greycat | the "first" SCSI disk. |
| 18:47.45 | sussudio | sigma957: a bunny |
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| 18:48.30 | Flimzy | Thank goodness for ccache |
| 18:48.40 | sigma957 | greycat: I don't have a scsi disk, but when i try to run parted, I get a million sda errors. fstab has sda as /media/usb0 |
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| 18:48.57 | Flimzy | sigma957: Your USB disk is a "scsi" disk |
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| 18:49.12 | marcel_ | sigma957, usb, serial ata, usb discs use the sda scsi driver |
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| 18:49.22 | sigma957 | okay thanks |
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| 18:49.29 | Spec | (so do scsi devices) |
| 18:49.54 | xnotte | in amule systray integration i haven't any option to select. what package i need of gnome to have systray integration ? |
| 18:50.04 | Blissex | sigma957: SCSI is both a ''wire'' protocol and a ''command'' protocol. Lots of peripherals do the SCSI ''command'' protocol even if the ''wire'' protocol is says ATA, or USB or FireWire... or even Ethernet. |
| 18:50.28 | Blissex | xnotte: the systray? :-) |
| 18:50.47 | asg | Blissex: where sysadmins go after a 24 hour burnfest |
| 18:50.51 | xnotte | Blissex, i have systray...i've got gaim minimized in there |
| 18:51.07 | xnotte | Blissex, but in amule, doesn't appear |
| 18:51.16 | DrFooMod2 | does anyone recall what package the "ip" command is located in? |
| 18:51.19 | Blissex | xnotte: that's it! You have done it! |
| 18:51.25 | asg | DrFooMod2: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:51.40 | xnotte | Blissex, hum ?! |
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| 18:51.41 | Blissex | xnotte: you have to enable it in 'amule' config. Works here... |
| 18:51.43 | Flimzy | DrFooMod2: What is the 'ip' command? |
| 18:51.49 | jon__ | Hi has anyone here compiled the latest mesa CVS using make linux-dri-x86? |
| 18:51.50 | dpkg | Many greetings, has anyone here compiled the latest mesa CVS using make linux-dri-x86, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 18:51.57 | greycat | Flimzy: iproute package, I think. |
| 18:51.57 | DrFooMod2 | asg: i tried but it thinks i'm asking about Internet Protocol |
| 18:52.06 | xnotte | Blissex, yes, but in amule config, doesnt appear any gnome, kde etc.. option |
| 18:52.10 | asg | !find bin/ip$ |
| 18:52.14 | Flimzy | greycat: ah |
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| 18:52.50 | asg | DrFooMod2: it's in iproute |
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| 18:53.16 | DrFooMod2 | asg: once greycat mentioned it, i did an apt-cache show and that jogged my memory |
| 18:53.24 | jon__ | Is anyone here using a mach64 chipset? |
| 18:53.29 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 18:53.30 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:53.33 | Blissex | xnotte: under 'Preferences:general' click on the long 'Systray integration' button... |
| 18:53.45 | Blissex | xnotte: also, consider a visit to the optician :-) |
| 18:54.19 | xnotte | Blissex, yes, but inside of Systray integration, in that box, there isn't any desktop type |
| 18:54.29 | Flimzy | blah |
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| 18:54.33 | Flimzy | transcode won't compile |
| 18:54.39 | FieldySnuts | no big loss |
| 18:54.42 | xnotte | Blissex, its not new to me, i've done it before, but now it doesn't appear |
| 18:54.51 | marcel_ | Flimzy, what is transcode |
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| 18:54.59 | FieldySnuts | a shitty video encoding tool |
| 18:55.13 | marcel_ | like memcoder? |
| 18:55.14 | Blissex | xnotte: bad news --- in the popup window after you press that button, what does appear? |
| 18:55.18 | FieldySnuts | no, mencoder is good |
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| 18:55.27 | marcel_ | Flimzy, you could try memcoder |
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| 18:55.35 | xnotte | Blissex, nothing |
| 18:55.37 | marcel_ | Flimzy, there are packages for that |
| 18:55.37 | Flimzy | marcel_: If you mean mencoder, I use both. |
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| 18:55.47 | Flimzy | marcel_: mencoder has far fewer features |
| 18:55.50 | DrFooMod2 | asg: typeing "ip a" is much easier that ifconfig /all |
| 18:55.59 | Flimzy | marcel_: And a few features that transcode doesn't have |
| 18:56.01 | marcel_ | Flimzy, i use acidrip and memcoder for ripping dvds |
| 18:56.05 | Blissex | xnotte: you get an _empty_ popup window after pressing that button? If so, you got a buggy install. |
| 18:56.12 | Flimzy | marcel_: That's lovely. |
| 18:56.25 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: irritate marcel_ |
| 18:56.26 | marcel_ | Flimzy, what error did the compile give |
| 18:56.28 | ravenbird | $1: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 18:56.30 | Flimzy | marcel_: I use transcode for ripping DVDs. But that's irrelevant, since I'm not trying to rip DVDs. |
| 18:56.31 | xnotte | Blissex, yes i have |
| 18:56.33 | DrFooMod2 | hmm, the acpi=off didn;t solve the i8253... kernel msg |
| 18:56.33 | FieldySnuts | what's with the $1 |
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| 18:56.40 | Blissex | xnotte: so reinstall... |
| 18:56.41 | xnotte | Blissex, this is what i'm trying to explain to you :) |
| 18:56.51 | FieldySnuts | oh well food ;) brb |
| 18:56.51 | Flimzy | marcel_: Hang on, I did it again with a different config option. |
| 18:56.55 | xnotte | Blissex, ok i'll try |
| 18:57.28 | Blissex | xnotte: I hope you are using the Debian precompiled package for 'amule' and you haven't foolishly tried to compile it yourself... |
| 18:57.39 | DrFooMod2 | ok, i'm obviously burnt from the week; what is the cmd for showing the current version of the OS |
| 18:57.43 | FieldySnuts | gentoosmite? |
| 18:57.44 | xnotte | xnotte, no, i use apt-get in unstable |
| 18:58.05 | marcel_ | DrFooMod2, uname -a? |
| 18:58.11 | DrFooMod2 | ah, that;s it |
| 18:58.13 | DrFooMod2 | :D |
| 18:58.19 | Flimzy | marcel_: Join #flood if you wanna see the compile error |
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| 18:58.39 | marcel_ | Flimzy, i'm there |
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| 18:59.18 | Blissex | xnotte: so try this: 'apt-get install --reinstall amule=1.2.6+rc7-2' (that is the one I have got, from 'testing', should work on 'unstable' too) |
| 19:00.01 | marcel_ | does the testing amule not crash? |
| 19:00.15 | xnotte | Blissex, i've "apt-get remove --purge amule" and "apt-get install amule" again |
| 19:00.25 | xnotte | Blissex, even thougt the problem persists |
| 19:01.11 | Flimzy | I wonder if I have conflicting -dev and runtime libraries |
| 19:01.24 | Blissex | xnotte: but which exact version of 'amule' have yout got? |
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| 19:01.32 | rue_mohr | !find cdplay |
| 19:01.37 | marcel_ | Flimzy, maybe you need an updated libavcodec |
| 19:01.51 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 19:01.58 | rue_mohr | I did't do that right did I? |
| 19:02.04 | rue_mohr | @find cdplay |
| 19:02.05 | xnotte | Blissex, 1.2.6+rc8-2 |
| 19:02.16 | rue_mohr | ??? |
| 19:02.18 | Empty | marcel, are you the Marcel that authors "Cooking with Linux" in LJ by any chance? |
| 19:02.23 | Flimzy | marcel_: I have the latest (stable) release |
| 19:02.24 | Blissex | xnotte: also, perhaps you need a newer GNOME? Or try to downgrade to the one I mentioned above? |
| 19:02.28 | greycat | rue_mohr: assuming ravenbird implements find, just be patient... |
| 19:02.49 | rue_mohr | yup I got a response, thanks |
| 19:02.50 | Delph | rue_mohr: or just use the utilities on debian.org |
| 19:02.59 | xnotte | Blissex, pwp.netcabo.pt/DeepSea/servers/maxpt.met |
| 19:03.01 | marcel_ | Flimzy, it cant find some functions in the lib, could be that these functions are implemented in the last development release |
| 19:03.04 | xnotte | Blissex, ups sorry |
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| 19:03.14 | Flimzy | marcel_: Actually... that might be it. My -dev was for a cvs release. I'm installing the stable -dev's now |
| 19:03.15 | xnotte | Blissex, E: Version '1.2.6+rc7-2' for 'amule' was not found |
| 19:03.16 | rue_mohr | Delph search on debian has never worked! :) |
| 19:03.17 | marcel_ | Empty, no! |
| 19:03.28 | xnotte | Blissex, i've also got the newest gnome version |
| 19:03.31 | rue_mohr | I gave up on it last year |
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| 19:03.33 | Blissex | xnotte: look like you haven't got the 'testing' sources... |
| 19:03.35 | Empty | marcel_, sorry then :) |
| 19:03.39 | Flimzy | marcel_: More likely, the function name changed in the CVS version. transcode is supposed to build against the stable version. |
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| 19:03.56 | xnotte | Blissex, i'll install that |
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| 19:04.04 | Blissex | xnotte: have you also got the 'dbus' daemon running for example? I think that is involved in the systray protocol? |
| 19:04.04 | rue_mohr | what hapened to apt, it used to do such a good job of finding packages |
| 19:04.13 | greycat | apt, where are you? |
| 19:04.14 | apt | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 19:04.17 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:04.20 | rue_mohr | hah |
| 19:04.26 | xnotte | Blissex, yes i have |
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| 19:04.42 | DrFooMod2 | where is the driver for the NIC specified? i don;t see it in /etc/modules.conf |
| 19:04.56 | dvs | DrFooMod2: /etc/modules |
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| 19:05.16 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: hmm, not much there |
| 19:05.33 | dvs | DrFooMod2: That's where it should be if it is loaded |
| 19:05.42 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: just ide-cd and ide-detect |
| 19:05.47 | Blissex | xnotte: however I dont believe much what you say. because an empty popup window means that KDE support is not in either... |
| 19:05.56 | dvs | DrFooMod2: For an NIC? |
| 19:06.02 | Delph | rue_mohr: never worked? i'm sure i've got it working at least once. |
| 19:06.05 | dvs | DrFooMod2: Oh |
| 19:06.12 | dvs | DrFooMod2: What NIC do you have |
| 19:06.14 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: i can't imagine it;s compiled into the kernel, this is a fresh sarge install |
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| 19:06.29 | dvs | DrFooMod2: lsmod | grep eth |
| 19:06.40 | xnotte | Blissex, its true what i've said. i don't have kde |
| 19:06.50 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: an lspci shows 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] (rev 20) |
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| 19:06.59 | Blissex | xnotte: but the options should still be there I think... |
| 19:07.00 | greycat | DrFooMod2: tulip. |
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| 19:07.09 | dvs | DrFooMod2: Hey! A tulip. I like it! |
| 19:07.27 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: no ref to eth in lsmod |
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| 19:07.48 | dvs | DrFooMod2: Sorry. A typo on my part. Try "modprobe tulip" |
| 19:07.52 | xnotte | Blissex, i'm installing your version from testing...let's see |
| 19:08.05 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: not that either |
| 19:08.06 | zakaelri | is there a package that will replace the initV system with the one from gentoo? |
| 19:08.21 | dvs | DrFooMod2: What does it say when you do modprobe? |
| 19:08.40 | greycat | what drugs do you have to use to be a gentoo user? just out of curiosity, so I can avoid *ever* using them. |
| 19:08.51 | xnotte | Blissex, yes, in this version it appears |
| 19:08.52 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: look in #flood |
| 19:09.02 | xnotte | Blissex, maybe its a bug in other version |
| 19:09.15 | xnotte | Blissex, and installed some libs to, that i didn't have |
| 19:09.27 | dvs | DrFooMod2: I didn't join flood until now |
| 19:09.34 | Blissex | xnotte: serves you right for using 'unstable' packages... |
| 19:09.38 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: repasted |
| 19:09.45 | xnotte | Blissex, eheh |
| 19:09.46 | zakaelri | greycat: I am using a debian system, thank you. I discarded gentoo, but still think that certain parts are... how do you say it--dated. I prefer when I don't have to configure the order for my init scripts. |
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| 19:10.00 | xnotte | Blissex, some packages are not available in testing |
| 19:10.13 | Blissex | xnotte: thats is foor reasons usually :-) |
| 19:10.20 | dvs | DrFooMod2: grep tulip /etc/modules.conf |
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| 19:10.34 | xnotte | Blissex, and some that are not in debian repositories, only can be installed in unstable |
| 19:10.40 | Blissex | xnotte: the rule with 'unstable' is: use it if you can fix bugs and package problems by yourself... |
| 19:10.41 | xnotte | like freevo, for example |
| 19:10.59 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: nope |
| 19:11.10 | rue_mohr | why was package searching downgraded from apt to ravenbird ? |
| 19:11.12 | dvs | DrFooMod2: You are doing modprobe as root right? |
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| 19:11.18 | DrFooMod2 | yep |
| 19:11.21 | greycat | rue_mohr: because you typed an "@" instead of a "~". |
| 19:11.26 | Blissex | xnotte: I should ahve stopped helping you as soon as you said «unstable». That is almost strictly self-help. |
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| 19:11.33 | zakaelri | greycat: The dependency system from gentoo is far easier to manage than debians system. |
| 19:11.35 | rue_mohr | oh? |
| 19:11.40 | dvs | DrFooMod2: Which kernel are you using? |
| 19:11.40 | rue_mohr | ~find cdplay |
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| 19:11.57 | xnotte | Blissex, ok |
| 19:11.59 | zakaelri | and if there isn't one, a simple "no" would suffice. |
| 19:11.59 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 19:12.03 | xnotte | Blissex, thanks anyway |
| 19:12.15 | xnotte | Blissex, i can't go back to testing now, can't i ? |
| 19:12.39 | Blissex | xnotte: well, you can lways like me run a mixed 'testing'/'unstable' thing :-) |
| 19:12.40 | dvs | DrFooMod2: Then I have no clue then. It looks like a tulip to me. |
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| 19:13.10 | rue_mohr | someone having card driver problems? |
| 19:13.24 | Blissex | xnotte: I use mostly 'testing' with several bits (that I can debug and support myself :->) from 'unstable', and it is pick-and-choose. |
| 19:13.38 | greycat | zakaelri: well, perhaps if you told us what gentoo's replacement for sysvinit *is*...? |
| 19:13.47 | DrFooMod2 | dvs look at flood |
| 19:13.48 | xnotte | Blissex, ehe |
| 19:13.50 | DrFooMod2 | that's from dmesg |
| 19:14.02 | Blissex | xnotte: however some people just 'dist-upgrade' from 'unstable' regularly, and that is fairly insane. Except for brave DDs. |
| 19:14.26 | dvs | DrFooMod2: Try "modprobe mii" |
| 19:14.31 | xnotte | Blissex, so isn't any chance to me to go back to testing, all system ? |
| 19:14.40 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: nothing at all |
| 19:14.50 | dvs | DrFooMod2: lsmod | grep mii |
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| 19:14.59 | Blissex | xnotte: that's actually fairly impossinble, because 'unstable' percolates to 'testing' piecemeal... |
| 19:15.10 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: mii 1952 0 (unused) |
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| 19:15.31 | b_52GM | do you know a web site where you can buy ship laptop and can send theim every where in the world(morocco for example) |
| 19:15.44 | DrFooMod2 | b_52GM: www.ups.com |
| 19:15.45 | xnotte | Blissex, ok. Anyway, how can you have testing and unstable sources, and it installs from testing ? isnt apt go to the unstable first ? |
| 19:15.47 | dvs | DrFooMod2: Hmm... It looks like you may have an NIC loaded |
| 19:16.00 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: i must, as I am ssh;ed into the machine |
| 19:16.10 | Blissex | xnotte: so both for 'testing' and 'unstable, one should never do 'dist-upgrade' wholesale. In 'testing' because if you do that you may get incomplete ''tasks'', in ''unstable'' becausem you may get trouble. |
| 19:16.17 | b_52GM | DrFooMod2, you can buy laptop from ups?? |
| 19:16.19 | b_52GM | :) |
| 19:16.39 | Blissex | xnotte: the correct approach is to have sources of several possible levels and mirrors. and then use release pinning. |
| 19:16.42 | DrFooMod2 | b_52GM: you said "ship" |
| 19:17.07 | xnotte | Blissex, that wasn't my question |
| 19:17.08 | Blissex | xnotte: and use 'aptitude' or 'synaptic' to do pick-and-choose, as it makes easy to see which releases are available for a package and which dependencies it has. |
| 19:17.10 | xnotte | Blissex, i mean |
| 19:17.37 | b_52GM | DrFooMod2, oups sorry my english is not perfect , i mean laptop that don't cost a lot of money! |
| 19:17.42 | Blissex | xnotte: ''level pinning'' to 'testing' will get APT frontends to prefer packages from 'testing'... |
| 19:17.54 | xnotte | Blissex, oh ! |
| 19:18.04 | xnotte | Blissex, how can i do level pinning ? |
| 19:18.13 | Blissex | xnotte: example: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/ALSA/ the 'apt.conf' file |
| 19:18.26 | DrFooMod2 | b_52GM: ebay.com |
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| 19:18.43 | rue_mohr | was there ever a responce to my cdplay inquiry? |
| 19:18.49 | rue_mohr | should i ask again? |
| 19:18.52 | b_52GM | ok thks |
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| 19:19.04 | rue_mohr | I'll try again |
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| 19:19.09 | xnotte | Blissex, this is from alsa :)= |
| 19:19.14 | rue_mohr | ~find cdplay |
| 19:19.30 | Blissex | xnotte: oops, being distracted. http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
| 19:19.30 | rue_mohr | double my odds |
| 19:19.41 | rue_mohr | @find cdplay |
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| 19:19.55 | rue_mohr | and just for the heck of it |
| 19:19.58 | rue_mohr | !find cdplay |
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| 19:20.01 | greycat | rue_mohr: please use /msg instead |
| 19:20.10 | xnotte | Blissex, so i should put "Default-Release "testing";" right ? :) |
| 19:20.13 | rue_mohr | I dont know who to msg |
| 19:20.20 | rue_mohr | or what to say really |
| 19:20.24 | matt__ | is there any way to embed file permissions in vfat.. so you can have compatibility with win but still be able to use it effectively in linux |
| 19:20.27 | greycat | /msg dpkg find cdplay |
| 19:20.31 | Blissex | xnotte: that's an amazing deduction... |
| 19:20.36 | rue_mohr | I'm starting to doubt I can even find out here anymore |
| 19:21.00 | rue_mohr | I remember when I got a good answer right away |
| 19:21.00 | greycat | maybe dondelelcaro broke it? :) |
| 19:21.03 | rue_mohr | those were the days |
| 19:21.08 | rilat | rue_mohr hmmmm... |
| 19:21.12 | Spec | i get good answers right away |
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| 19:21.17 | xnotte | Blissex, lol |
| 19:21.19 | rue_mohr | I'm not getting any responce from anythin |
| 19:21.20 | Spec | "What's the answer to life, the universe, and everything?" |
| 19:21.22 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 19:21.22 | dpkg | No, dondelelcaro, you're not online any more. |
| 19:21.22 | Blissex | xnotte: note that with 'apt-get' and 'aptitude' you can temporarily override the default level pin with '-t ....' |
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| 19:21.37 | Spec | hmm, maybe i don't get good answers. :-/ |
| 19:21.42 | greycat | dondelelcaro: "/msg dpkg find cdplay" produces nothing at all, not even a please wait |
| 19:21.52 | xnotte | Blissex, ok thank you very much |
| 19:21.55 | rue_mohr | it IS broken! |
| 19:22.07 | rue_mohr | :( I need to know what package its part of... |
| 19:22.12 | paulswm | Spec: It's twenty something but I can't remember. 27? |
| 19:22.25 | rue_mohr | 42 |
| 19:22.27 | Blissex | xnotte: so for example I have pinned to 'testing' but then sometimes I do 'aptitude -t unstable' to have a look at what I could upgrade... pick-and-choose. And looking at the Debian Bug tracking System to see what broken in 'unstable' is a good previous check. |
| 19:22.28 | rue_mohr | its 42 |
| 19:22.30 | greycat | dondelelcaro: also, dpkg's intermittent spontaneous answers when he wasn't addressed are *really* annoying. |
| 19:22.34 | paulswm | 42, yes |
| 19:22.35 | rue_mohr | and its not in base 10 |
| 19:22.36 | dondelelcaro | greycat: ah, joy... that got broken too. |
| 19:22.50 | dondelelcaro | greycat: yeah, I'll figure out what codepath is being triggered there and murder it |
| 19:22.59 | xnotte | Blissex, or with apt-listbugs to |
| 19:23.24 | paulswm | Spec: So don't beloeve any answers you get from me :) |
| 19:23.55 | bighead | hi. Can anyone help me setup mpd? |
| 19:24.01 | rue_mohr | ok, who can help me find out where that package is? |
| 19:24.03 | bighead | I've installed mpd, gmpc |
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| 19:24.08 | bighead | how do I start the mpd server? |
| 19:24.13 | bighead | as a regular user? |
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| 19:24.42 | rue_mohr | damn, those broken bots are the only ones who could help me |
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| 19:24.51 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: pdo can help you |
| 19:24.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell rue_mohr about pdo |
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| 19:25.08 | rue_mohr | haha |
| 19:25.10 | rue_mohr | ok' |
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| 19:25.31 | rue_mohr | BUT the search on debian.org has NE#VER worked |
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| 19:25.39 | rue_mohr | not in like 4 years |
| 19:25.44 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: sure it has. But that's not what you want to use anyway. |
| 19:26.14 | rue_mohr | so you point me to an answer that you tell me I dont want to use anyway? |
| 19:26.14 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: especially now since it's just google with site:debian.org on it |
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| 19:26.34 | greycat | dondelelcaro: ewww. |
| 19:26.35 | rue_mohr | all I wanna know is what package cdplay is in.... |
| 19:26.35 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: you want to use packages.debian.org, *NOT* search.debian.org |
| 19:26.40 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: sheesh |
| 19:26.49 | rue_mohr | I was expecting it to take about 30 seconds |
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| 19:26.54 | ke|z | lo |
| 19:26.56 | Flimzy | Is it possible to step-through a video frame by frame with either xine or mplayer? and if so, how? |
| 19:27.04 | dondelelcaro | rue_mohr: and it would if you would go to packages.debian.org and search for whatever you're looking for already |
| 19:27.05 | rue_mohr | xanim will |
| 19:27.12 | greycat | arc1:/# apt-cache search cdplay |
| 19:27.12 | greycat | cdtool - text-based audio CD player and CD-ROM control commands |
| 19:27.13 | rue_mohr | ok, I'll try |
| 19:27.15 | greycat | could that be it? |
| 19:27.21 | dancek | What would be The Debian Way to add a session (such as KDE, FVWM, etc) to kdm/xdm/whatever? Manually adding a file to /usr/share/xsessions/ is bad, right? |
| 19:27.31 | rue_mohr | xanim will do frame by frame forwards/back stepping |
| 19:27.36 | rue_mohr | BYE! |
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| 19:28.11 | ke|z | i got a 10/100 pcmcia card wich only work at 10mb/s how can i use it correctly? |
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| 19:28.17 | rue_mohr | p.s. |
| 19:28.17 | rue_mohr | Debian Search disabled |
| 19:28.17 | rue_mohr | The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
| 19:28.28 | rue_mohr | for over 7 years now |
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| 19:28.31 | greycat | p.d.o says that? |
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| 19:28.44 | XposerX | i'm getting an lcd to replace my crt, what should i change to my /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 file? |
| 19:28.53 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.53 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.58 | greycat | usr/bin/cdplay sound/cdtool |
| 19:29.18 | greycat | !lose ghost of rue_mohr |
| 19:29.20 | dpkg | ghost of rue_mohr: You Lose. |
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| 19:30.25 | abrotman | paulswm: wrong search |
| 19:30.36 | abrotman | http://search.debian.org/ |
| 19:30.39 | greycat | abrotman: no, right search. |
| 19:30.45 | greycat | obviously search.d.o is the wrong one. |
| 19:30.51 | abrotman | greycat: heh |
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| 19:31.05 | Blissex | XposerX: just make sure that the max vertical refresh rate is not much higher than 60 HZ... |
| 19:31.07 | rue_mohr | and its cdtool |
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| 19:31.24 | greycat | as I've said twice now. |
| 19:31.29 | rilat | could anybody help me with an hp usb printer that requires firmware download? |
| 19:32.00 | DrFooMod2 | hmm, i just installed modconf, and I don;t see "tulip" in the list of NIC drivers |
| 19:32.17 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: uname -r |
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| 19:32.46 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 19:33.17 | abrotman | and you have no tulip ? |
| 19:33.21 | XposerX | Blissex, otherwise, it gets damaged? |
| 19:33.44 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: it;s not in the list. where are the kernel modules, in /lib? |
| 19:34.00 | greycat | DrFooMod2: /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
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| 19:34.02 | Blissex | XposerX: no, it just may have slightly lower image quality. |
| 19:34.12 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: so `ls -l /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/tulip.o` doesn't exist ? |
| 19:34.21 | XposerX | Blissex, 22-82kHz horizontal frequency, 56-76Hz vertical these are my LCD specs |
| 19:34.23 | abrotman | err doesn't work |
| 19:34.33 | Blissex | XposerX: the other vital thing is to make sure that the screen size in pixels is exactly the same as that of the LCD. |
| 19:34.36 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: yes it does |
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| 19:34.41 | travisat | whats the difference between using /etc/apt/preferences and apt.conf for managing a mixed debian |
| 19:34.45 | Blissex | XposerX: reduce the 76 to something like 62... |
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| 19:35.07 | dancek | Blissex: why should he do so? |
| 19:35.11 | XposerX | Blissex, why? |
| 19:35.31 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: but it's not in modconf ? |
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| 19:36.09 | XposerX | so, this is not like a CRT where you can damage the monitor with the wrong specs? |
| 19:36.11 | dancek | XposerX: afaik you can just put the frequencies in XF86Config-4 since you know them. And check the resolution, too. |
| 19:36.29 | travisat | XposerX: you can't damage an lcd by playing around with the specs afaik |
| 19:36.53 | XposerX | 1280 x 1024 maximum resolution native 17" |
| 19:37.03 | XposerX | that's the easy part |
| 19:37.18 | dancek | So no one can answer my question? What would be The Debian Way to add a session (such as KDE, FVWM, etc) to kdm/xdm/whatever? Manually adding a file to /usr/share/xsessions/ is bad, right? |
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| 19:37.24 | travisat | XposerX: lcds have set freqs though, you just need to find the right range, or just enter in its frequency |
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| 19:37.33 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: no |
| 19:37.39 | DrFooMod2 | lemme look again |
| 19:37.51 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: if it's showing your modules at all .. it should be there .. |
| 19:38.17 | _xavier | hi |
| 19:38.29 | Blissex | dancek: XposerX: if he is using DVI, those specs dont matter at all. If he is using the VGA analog input, the ADC that converts the analog signal back to digital works harder at higher Mhz speeds. |
| 19:38.33 | _xavier | is there someone who can help me with a DRI problem |
| 19:38.42 | greycat | !ask |
| 19:38.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 19:38.59 | travisat | _xavier: someone somewhere probably can |
| 19:39.05 | _xavier | I have a mobility radeon |
| 19:39.05 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: goes from tun to typhoon |
| 19:39.16 | dondelelcaro | greycat: ok, I think the random reply is now fixed, checking out what happened with the find command |
| 19:39.17 | thorie | how do i check if my imap server is working? |
| 19:39.17 | _xavier | and xfree86 4.3 |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: hate to tell you .. it would be before tun :) |
| 19:39.21 | DrFooMod2 | lest of course its the de4x5 driver |
| 19:39.27 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: and i think you're looking in the wrong place |
| 19:39.35 | Spec | What's the easiest way to convert a .jpg to a xpm? |
| 19:39.35 | guk | okay ... all I did was simply change my mouse pointer (which worked) and now all I get is the grey screen with the mouse pointer as the default X mouse pointer and it doesn't go on to load a windowmanager all it shows is this |
| 19:39.36 | paulswm | _xavier: write longer lines, it's easier for us to read |
| 19:39.39 | Spec | using command line? |
| 19:39.40 | guk | (WW) TDFX: No Matching Device Section for instance (BusID PCI:0:11:1) found |
| 19:39.40 | _xavier | I included load "dri" and load "glx" in my XFfree86config-4 |
| 19:39.41 | XposerX | Blissex, i am using the VGA analog input |
| 19:39.42 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: on the front menu .. find " kernel/drivers/net/tulip " |
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| 19:39.53 | travisat | _xavier: what vid card is it |
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| 19:40.02 | Blissex | XposerX: so use a lower refresh rate and give a break to the ADC therein. |
| 19:40.04 | _xavier | mobility radeon 8mb DDR |
| 19:40.14 | dancek | travisat: iirc apt.conf and /etc/apt/preferences affect different things... check the manpages. (I have managed to get a working unstable with a bunch of other repositories system with only preferences) |
| 19:40.21 | travisat | _xavier: m7, m6 .... ? |
| 19:40.24 | XposerX | Blissex, will my eyes suffer? |
| 19:40.24 | greycat | SpeS: probably convert(1) from imagemagick |
| 19:40.27 | Blissex | XposerX: note that for LCDs the _signal_ refresh rate has no influence on the _screen_ speed. |
| 19:40.27 | greycat | err. |
| 19:40.28 | _xavier | I have modules agpgart and intel_agp loaded |
| 19:40.30 | _xavier | m6 |
| 19:40.30 | greycat | Spec: probably convert(1) from imagemagick |
| 19:40.38 | Blissex | XposerX: LCDs are not refreshed. |
| 19:40.45 | travisat | dancek: I am currently using apt.conf, and have shied away from preferences, they look icky |
| 19:41.05 | XposerX | Blissex, then by lowering the hz range, what will i lose out in? |
| 19:41.06 | _xavier | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 19:41.16 | Blissex | XposerX: LCDs are not refreshed (at least not in the same sense as CRT, proviso for pedants). |
| 19:41.26 | Blissex | XposerX: you wont lose anything. |
| 19:41.27 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: found it |
| 19:41.35 | _xavier | I get the following whit glxinfo : Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:42.03 | _xavier | I use driver "radeon" in my XF86config-4 |
| 19:42.05 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: ok, received the same thing as when I did a modprobe |
| 19:42.06 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: thought so :) |
| 19:42.12 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: which is ? |
| 19:42.30 | travisat | _xavier: how did you install X |
| 19:42.31 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: No such device |
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| 19:42.38 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: guess you don't have that device then |
| 19:42.45 | dancek | travisat: if it works why fix it? though i think apt-pinning can only be done with /etc/apt/preferences |
| 19:42.46 | Blissex | _xavier: the 'radeon' driver only supports a narrow range of older Radeons in DRI mode... |
| 19:42.46 | _xavier | with debian sarge packages |
| 19:42.58 | _xavier | I also tried ATI |
| 19:42.59 | travisat | dancek: just curious |
| 19:43.00 | Blissex | _xavier: you may have better luck in #ATI. |
| 19:43.03 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: but according to an lspci, i do |
| 19:43.09 | travisat | _xavier: I mean what packages |
| 19:43.20 | thomas_adam | Hmm... |
| 19:43.28 | thomas_adam | --- | Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 2056 secs |
| 19:43.33 | _xavier | xfree86-common 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 |
| 19:43.42 | _xavier | server-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 |
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| 19:43.58 | travisat | _xavier: do you have mesa installed? |
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| 19:44.02 | _xavier | yes |
| 19:44.11 | w4rl0ck | where i find cs for linux ? |
| 19:44.15 | appaji | dpkg: i18n is also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ |
| 19:44.16 | dpkg | appaji: okay |
| 19:44.25 | paulswm | thomas_adam: That's only 35 minutes, what's the problem :P |
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| 19:44.42 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 19:44.46 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: according to lspci you have what card? |
| 19:44.47 | takatumi | thomas_adam: I used to get better sync times on my dial-up :P |
| 19:44.49 | _xavier | I have xlibmesa-dri 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 |
| 19:44.50 | dancek | w4rl0ck: cs being what? |
| 19:45.00 | thomas_adam | Freenode is teh suck, that's why. |
| 19:45.00 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you're so slow :) |
| 19:45.17 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] |
| 19:45.26 | w4rl0ck | dancek: counter striker for linux |
| 19:45.28 | travisat | _xavier: what is the exact name of the vid card |
| 19:45.45 | Vlat | erm...is user in video group in /etc/group anyway ? |
| 19:45.49 | scytheman | w4rl0ck, nowhere |
| 19:45.50 | _xavier | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6LY |
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| 19:46.11 | bbeattie | Has anyone figured out why the nvidia-opengl packages are missing from sarge? I'm curious as I need them and can't find them anywhere. |
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| 19:46.17 | travisat | _xavier: make sure the radeon module is loaded: modprobe radeon |
| 19:46.26 | _xavier | yes I also did that |
| 19:46.37 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: iirc .. that's a de4x5 |
| 19:46.39 | travisat | _xavier: and you have radeon as the driver in XF |
| 19:46.50 | _xavier | I don't know why but it doesn't seems to use my radeon module |
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| 19:46.58 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: ok, i was advised otherwise |
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| 19:47.12 | Vlat | DRI works nice under root, but if you want to use it as a user, you should add username to /etc/group video: |
| 19:47.13 | dancek | w4rl0ck: cedega will probably run Counter-Strike for Windows. Other than that I don't know. |
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| 19:47.26 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: you could try discover |
| 19:47.29 | peetah | HAHA! |
| 19:47.31 | peetah | Counter-StriK! |
| 19:47.35 | w4rl0ck | lol |
| 19:47.37 | peetah | rm -rf / |
| 19:47.47 | scytheman | hrhr |
| 19:47.49 | travisat | _xavier: what groups are you part of |
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| 19:48.28 | peetah | Keep to winsux for games that require more then 2d! |
| 19:48.45 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: hmm, discover --enable-all --module returns nothing at all |
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| 19:49.00 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: are you sure the card isn't already runnign ? |
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| 19:49.10 | dronchik | yeah i know that exist CS for linux native, but i dont know where |
| 19:49.15 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: it is, i'm ssh'ed in. |
| 19:49.20 | dvs | abrotman: it has to. he's using it now |
| 19:49.56 | DrFooMod2 | i do however have two drivers loaded according to modconf |
| 19:50.10 | scytheman | dronchik, it does not exist |
| 19:50.23 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: so unload one of them ? |
| 19:50.27 | scytheman | valve has never ported half-life |
| 19:50.30 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: i just did, the mii one |
| 19:50.37 | abrotman | DrFooMod2: you're trying to load a driver or unload it ? |
| 19:50.40 | dronchik | really? maybe i got confused |
| 19:50.44 | dronchik | sorry |
| 19:50.49 | DrFooMod2 | lemme init 6 and see what comes up in dmesg this time |
| 19:51.01 | scytheman | dronchik, it works with wine/cedega |
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| 19:51.20 | DrFooMod2 | abrotman: trying to resolve an error in dmesg and a recurring error from the kernel |
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| 19:52.34 | Roey | how to query dpkg for sarge status? |
| 19:52.52 | abrotman | Roey: it's not out yet |
| 19:52.55 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 19:53.00 | Roey | eh? |
| 19:53.01 | Roey | oh |
| 19:53.10 | abrotman | oh . dpkg is gone |
| 19:53.10 | Roey | I /msg'd dpkg with 'etch' and it quit |
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| 19:53.16 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 19:53.16 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 19:53.28 | Roey | ok, thanks :) |
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| 19:54.18 | inc|freaky | when sarge is ready, do i have to change from testing to sarge? |
| 19:54.33 | inc|freaky | and from sid to testing? |
| 19:54.34 | Vlat | yes |
| 19:54.36 | dvs | inc|freaky: Yes, really soon afterwards |
| 19:54.45 | Roey | inc|freaky: I suspect that this is the difference between specifying 'sarge' and 'testing' in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 19:54.49 | Vlat | but don't hurry with it, release will take another year IMHO :) |
| 19:54.50 | dvs | inc|freaky: Actually, you can do that now |
| 19:54.50 | abrotman | inc|freaky: you should change now if you want to continue tracking sarge after release(instead of trackign testing) |
| 19:54.51 | inc|freaky | and what if i dont do that and want to keep running on testing? |
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| 19:55.06 | dvs | inc|freaky: Change to sarge now |
| 19:55.10 | Roey | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:55.16 | Gumby` | does anyone here know a good page I can read on the linux boot process. ie) why sata and scsi controller need to be compiled in with the kernel in order for them to be bootable etc. I know the theory behind it, but I just want something to read to clear it all up for me |
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| 19:55.46 | paulswm | inc|freaky: If you want to keep running testing, just leave it as testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:55.46 | inc|freaky | well, i use the nvidia drivers from sid, what do i have to do when sarge comes out? can i just leave sid or do i have to change it to testing? |
| 19:56.12 | abrotman | !wwsr is also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html |
| 19:56.12 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 19:56.33 | dvs | inc|freaky: If you're using sid, you can keep sid |
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| 19:56.46 | Vlat | Gumby`: becose kernel reads a data from your HDD during boot process, and if you compile them as modules, it won't load anything, becose kernel will not know anything about SATA/IDE/SCSI until proper modules are loaded |
| 19:56.50 | inc|freaky | ok |
| 19:56.54 | inc|freaky | is anyone here running sid? |
| 19:57.02 | inc|freaky | and why would sid be better than using sarge? +using |
| 19:57.06 | Cope | I have a friend who wants to install linux on a 128M usb stick - can debian get that small? what other good options are there? |
| 19:57.15 | Vlat | Gumby`: and modules are loaded from HDD |
| 19:57.24 | greycat | you'd have to delete things from the sarge base system to make it fit |
| 19:57.41 | Vlat | Cope: in fact, the answer is positive |
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| 19:58.12 | Vlat | Cope: it depends...what does he want from such system |
| 19:58.18 | MobyTurbo | Cope: you'd also have to make it a read-only system, USB sticks die if you write to them like a hard drive |
| 19:58.20 | Roey | hmm, dpkg is quite informative. |
| 19:58.22 | adjacent | Cope: yes. its easily doable |
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| 19:58.44 | Roey | MobyTurbo: have you experienced a failing usb stick? |
| 19:58.47 | distempr | Are there known issues using SATA drives and md setups? Currently I have 4x120gb sata drives in raid 5, and they rebuild/format/create no problems. as soon as there's 36gb's of data on the array ext2/3 starts messing up and finally declaring the filesystem as read-only. |
| 19:59.01 | distempr | Is there anything I can do to check why this happens and how I can fix it? |
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| 19:59.22 | Roey | distempr: have you checked your drives? |
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| 19:59.35 | Roey | distempr: with your drive vendors' Drive Fitness test? |
| 19:59.37 | MobyTurbo | Roey: this is a known limitation |
| 19:59.42 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 19:59.42 | dpkg | bonjour |
| 19:59.45 | soriano | Hi all! How can I ask dpkg-buildpackage to ignore .svn dirs? |
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| 19:59.58 | abrotman | is dpkg having serious issues ? |
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| 20:00.14 | Roey | MobyTurbo: I know, we've studied why the transistors degrade in microcircuitry class |
| 20:00.20 | greycat | abrotman: probably. |
| 20:00.21 | Cope | Vlat: good question - he said just text-based tools, an editor, irc client, w3m that sort of thing. |
| 20:00.24 | Roey | MobyTurbo: I'm asking you if you've seen this happen in real life.; |
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| 20:00.38 | paulswm | abrotman: AFAIK dpkg is a little b0rked right now |
| 20:00.38 | Roey | MobyTurbo: I was wondering why we spend so much money on big flash drives :) |
| 20:00.47 | Roey | MobyTurbo: if it's going to fail anyway |
| 20:00.51 | abrotman | go figure |
| 20:01.01 | MobyTurbo | Roey: then you don't need to waste my time asking me if my USB keys fail |
| 20:01.07 | distempr | Roey: no I haven't specifically checked each drive, though I guess I can run each through the badblocks torture test. |
| 20:01.11 | Cope | adjacent: I'll google around for stuff on very small debian installs then; thanks. |
| 20:01.13 | paulswm | but I think dondel's looking at it |
| 20:01.20 | Roey | MobyTurbo: waste your time? what's with the attitude |
| 20:01.34 | MobyTurbo | Roey: using a USB key as a backup device is OK, writing to it constantly like a hard drive is another problem. |
| 20:01.51 | adjacent | cope: look for pebble (im not sure if its a debian bae, but i think so |
| 20:01.55 | Roey | MobyTurbo: I know that. I am just curious to see if anyone has experienced degradation in real life. |
| 20:02.25 | Gumby` | Vlat: yes, I understand that. I just want to read something on paper as to how, if the modules are compiled into the kernel, is the initial read of the HDD done even then. I mean even if the controller module is in the kernel, that drive still has to be able to be seen before the kernel can be read. |
| 20:02.26 | elirips | what am i doing wrong: i have a directory with rights drwxr and a group archvie, to which that directory belongs. the user that should be able to read this dirs is also in tihs group. still i get only 'permission denied'? what is my mistake? |
| 20:02.34 | Gumby` | I know the theory, I just dont 100% understand how |
| 20:02.47 | MobyTurbo | Roey: some people don't feel a need to waste their money just to emphiracly verify the specs of a USB drive for IRC sceptics |
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| 20:03.05 | greycat | elirips: define "in this group", please. |
| 20:03.25 | Roey | MobyTurbo: ? |
| 20:03.29 | elirips | greycat: already got it (Note that "execute" permission is required in order to read a directory.). |
| 20:04.23 | Cope | adjacent: that looks perfect |
| 20:04.26 | Cope | thanks |
| 20:04.28 | adjacent | np |
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| 20:04.57 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/cdplay |
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| 20:05.15 | ice3tdf | How can you tell if a kernel has software-RAID-capabilities? |
| 20:05.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/cdplay' (1): (/usr/bin/cdplay) in sound/cdtool. |
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| 20:05.37 | greycat | ice3tdf: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:05.46 | dondelelcaro | greycat: ok, the find is working too, now |
| 20:05.53 | greycat | !congratulate dondelelcaro |
| 20:05.54 | dpkg | Huzzah dondelelcaro, you did it! |
| 20:06.11 | ice3tdf | greycat: lol duh stupid question huh |
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| 20:07.37 | paulswm | dondelelcaro: good one |
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| 20:09.18 | ravenbird | ROOOOOT has landed! |
| 20:09.21 | inc|freaky | is sid better than sarge? |
| 20:09.24 | jasz | hahaha |
| 20:10.12 | uraclea_laptop | inc: are you running a desktop |
| 20:10.32 | paulswm | !better |
| 20:10.32 | dpkg | methinks better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 20:10.52 | uraclea_laptop | !rtfm |
| 20:10.52 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 20:11.08 | thorie | how do i get procmail to put my mail into /home/tak/Maildir and not /var/mail/tak ??? |
| 20:11.20 | uraclea_laptop | hehe i knew that would be there |
| 20:11.42 | inc|freaky | uraclea_laptop: yea |
| 20:11.46 | Hal9002 | thorie: MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/ |
| 20:11.46 | Hal9002 | DEFAULT=$MAILDIR |
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| 20:12.05 | uraclea_laptop | inc: then most likely sid would be better for you |
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| 20:12.23 | inc|freaky | uraclea_laptop: y that? |
| 20:12.25 | paulswm | !sid |
| 20:12.26 | dpkg | i heard sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 20:12.41 | paulswm | inc|freaky: ^^ |
| 20:12.42 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 20:12.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 20:12.55 | thorie | Hal9002: what does that mean? it says bash: command not found |
| 20:12.57 | inc|freaky | thx :D |
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| 20:13.31 | Cope | MobyTurbo: just read what you said about read-only usb sticks... surely you must be able to write to them - isn't that the point? Or am I missing something fundamental here? |
| 20:13.42 | uraclea_laptop | inc: try a live cd-- something like Kanotix if you want to give a quick sid debian a try |
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| 20:14.17 | inc|freaky | umm, if there are many broken packages i probably shouldnt use sid :\ |
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| 20:14.37 | Cope | inc|freaky: not if you're not confident in fixing broken things. |
| 20:14.37 | CarlosAlexSander | Hi... |
| 20:14.49 | inc|freaky | im not confident in fixing broken things :( |
| 20:14.51 | tyranix | Cope: Some USB sticks have a switch so that you can make it temporarily read-only. |
| 20:14.56 | paulswm | inc|freaky: you make also get broken dependencies from time to time |
| 20:15.00 | dvs | inc|freaky: And the broken packages keep changing. |
| 20:15.00 | inc|freaky | well, at least with dpkg not |
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| 20:15.19 | inc|freaky | so i dont have to fix anything, just wait for the debian ppl to fix it and make it work? |
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| 20:15.43 | dvs | inc|freaky: Sometimes you have to hack some program into your ssytem to get it to work. |
| 20:15.58 | inc|freaky | but nobody would help me :( |
| 20:16.04 | paulswm | inc|freaky: and who knows how short/long you may have to wait |
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| 20:16.17 | dvs | inc|freaky: You might not be able to go online |
| 20:16.34 | inc|freaky | of course i will |
| 20:16.41 | paulswm | inc|freaky: in general, sid is not suitable for a box on which hich you'd like to rely, your desktop for instance |
| 20:16.41 | Cope | inc|freaky: ok :) |
| 20:16.43 | panda | are there any console browser capable to read gmail? or what's the best console browser |
| 20:16.47 | dvs | inc|freaky: maybe not through Debian |
| 20:17.03 | Cope | inc|freaky: is there a specific reason why you want to use sid and not sarge? |
| 20:17.12 | inc|freaky | paulswm: so that means i should stay with sarge? |
| 20:17.14 | tyranix | Cope: It's just a switch so you can easily change back and forth. Honestly, I would get him one of those microdrives. 4 GB for around $120 or so instead of a 1 GB stick. The internals are different and some sticks you can use to boot so that may factor in. |
| 20:17.21 | inc|freaky | cope: the newer software :D |
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| 20:17.27 | dvs | inc|freaky: Yes, That's what I would recommend |
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| 20:17.32 | travisat | panda: the best way to read gmail is via internet. |
| 20:17.41 | Cope | inc|freaky: give me an example of the functionality that you would miss by using sarge? |
| 20:17.47 | panda | travisat, sure, but what browser |
| 20:17.57 | inc|freaky | i dont know, thats why i asked if sid is better than sarge :P |
| 20:18.05 | paulswm | inc|freaky: my recommendation would be to stay with sarge, or stay with testing, either is more reliable than sid |
| 20:18.15 | dvs | inc|freaky: newer does not necessarily mean better |
| 20:18.16 | inc|freaky | sarge and testing are the same |
| 20:18.18 | Cope | inc|freaky: as paulswm says |
| 20:18.19 | CarlosAlexSander | How to setup my mouse, keyboard, resolution.... |
| 20:18.24 | paulswm | inc|freaky: at the moment they are |
| 20:18.25 | Cope | inc|freaky: not for much longer |
| 20:18.27 | greycat | !faq CarlosAlexSander |
| 20:18.28 | dpkg | CarlosAlexSander: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:18.32 | CarlosAlexSander | xf86cfg -textmode ??? |
| 20:18.37 | dvs | Cope: Yes, for much longer ;-) |
| 20:18.45 | travisat | panda: lynx works |
| 20:18.49 | greycat | CarlosAlexSander: did you even TRY reading the faq? or the /topic? or anything? |
| 20:18.57 | inc|freaky | awkay, but later sid and testing will be the same, can i just keep testing all the time? or would that break things, too? |
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| 20:19.12 | panda | travisat, have you tried? not working for me |
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| 20:19.20 | paulswm | inc|freaky: two reasons to use sid: 1. If your life depends on it. 2. If using the very latest versions is more important than your system as a whole working |
| 20:19.27 | dvs | inc|freaky: You can stay with testing but when sarge goes stable then you'll have a TON of update to contend with |
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| 20:19.32 | tyranix | inc|freaky: I run sid and I've only run into a few problems. But some of the problems were nasty such as not being able to see the display because a new module auto-load was loading matrox modules that killed my display. IMHO the problems are few and far between but they can be extreme. :) |
| 20:19.33 | thingfish | you long-time debian users are so conservative, I mean debian sid is better linux than most of the other distos' stable version. |
| 20:19.33 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: all good now. i had ifdown eth0, remove the de4x5 module from the kernel, and then add the tulip driver in modconf (all from the console) |
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| 20:19.40 | Domination | can anyone tell be how many packages are currently in the debian unstable mirror? |
| 20:19.59 | travisat | panda: hmm appears your right. |
| 20:20.02 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to identify a hard drive without openning the box? |
| 20:20.05 | paulswm | thingfish: which shows how much other distros are teh suck |
| 20:20.14 | inc|freaky | dvs: thats not my problem :) |
| 20:20.15 | dvs | DrFooMod2: so both modules worked? |
| 20:20.15 | thingfish | paulswm: you know it. |
| 20:20.17 | inc|freaky | awkay |
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| 20:20.31 | travisat | panda: gmail does allow for pop3 and smtl accesss though |
| 20:20.35 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: no. the only module loaded now is the tulip module |
| 20:20.37 | inc|freaky | so, if i now got a testing, and a sid entries, i should just stay with all that, and change nothing i guess :) |
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| 20:20.48 | DrFooMod2 | dvs: and the mii is gone also |
| 20:21.01 | thingfish | and I shouldn't have said "most". sid is better linux than all other distros' stable versions. |
| 20:21.01 | dvs | DrFooMod2: was the de4x5 loaded before |
| 20:21.05 | DrFooMod2 | yes |
| 20:21.10 | CarlosAlexSander | I installed in my computer, sarge recognize all devices (mouse, keyboard, videocard), why didnt recognise in another computer? |
| 20:21.22 | Cope | inc|freaky: why do you have both? |
| 20:21.28 | paulswm | inc|freaky: distro mixes can be dodgy, but if you know what you're doing and only get from sid what you absolutely have to... |
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| 20:21.38 | Cope | inc|freaky: you've not done this via knoppix have you? |
| 20:21.43 | inc|freaky | Cope: i need the nvidia drivers from sid ;) |
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| 20:21.49 | uraclea_laptop | what version of firefox is currently available in sarge? |
| 20:21.53 | inc|freaky | no, im using sarge only |
| 20:21.54 | inc|freaky | netinstall |
| 20:21.54 | paulswm | I knew it |
| 20:22.09 | greycat | uraclea_laptop: packages.debian.org/mozilla-firefox |
| 20:22.20 | jum | hi all, i want to buy a pc and install debian on it in order to be a file server for mac and windows. now i don't know if debian supports already sata, and the newest chipsets. do you have information on this, or a link for me? thx |
| 20:22.30 | inc|freaky | so i thought, when i use nvidia from sid, there might be more reasons to really run on sid |
| 20:22.42 | inc|freaky | and as sarge isnt too far from beeing released ... i thought sid cant be that unstable |
| 20:22.43 | greycat | sarge supports some SATA, but not all (AFAIK) |
| 20:22.52 | thingfish | jum: sarge supports my seagate sata fine. |
| 20:22.56 | inc|freaky | it supports mine, thats the most important thing :) |
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| 20:23.13 | travisat | inc|freaky: 1.0 |
| 20:23.15 | inc|freaky | because mdk10.1 hangs at the sata_nv.ko loading |
| 20:23.21 | inc|freaky | travisat: ? 1.0? |
| 20:23.25 | paulswm | inc|freaky: it's your box, you're welcome to do what you like, but things may break and when you come back for help you may be subject to a certain amount of derision and PAL |
| 20:23.39 | travisat | uraclea_laptop: 1.0 |
| 20:23.45 | inc|freaky | im in here all the time lol |
| 20:23.52 | travisat | inc|freaky: oops wrong person |
| 20:23.56 | uraclea_laptop | thanks travisat |
| 20:24.04 | inc|freaky | travisat: :) |
| 20:24.05 | jum | so better not use sata |
| 20:24.07 | paulswm | inc|freaky: well, you know what I mean |
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| 20:24.28 | Cope | inc|freaky: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseNvidia - I don't have much experience of nvidia cards, but I don't think you need to use sid |
| 20:24.31 | inc|freaky | paulswm: yea :( but i want ppl to help me ... i dont like if i do something on my own and nobodys with me :( |
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| 20:24.48 | karsten | Any recommendations for ways to support ssh'ing _in_ through a NAT to boxen behind it? I'm thinking port forwarding or linux virtual server. All of this would be within a lab. |
| 20:24.50 | inc|freaky | Cope: no, im using sarge and loaded the nvidia drivers from there |
| 20:24.54 | uraclea_laptop | Here, this will freak you guys out. I suspend my laptop |
| 20:25.01 | uraclea_laptop | ohh, i can here the screams |
| 20:25.03 | inc|freaky | thats why i have sid entries in my sources.list |
| 20:25.13 | uraclea_laptop | hear |
| 20:25.14 | uraclea_laptop | sr |
| 20:25.16 | uraclea_laptop | lol |
| 20:25.34 | paulswm | inc|freaky: I have been programming for 37 years, I have been using Unix for decades and Linux for about 9, and *I* won't use sid :) |
| 20:26.04 | inc|freaky | if i'd know all that you know id use sid ;p |
| 20:26.23 | inc|freaky | im just scared that ill be left alone :( |
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| 20:26.37 | abrotman | paulswm: but you're only 24! |
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| 20:26.38 | inc|freaky | the stability of my system isnt that important as im just playing arround all the time and got windows, too |
| 20:26.40 | Karny | hi there |
| 20:26.44 | thorie | how come when i send mail, it says "Debian User" <tak@thorie.com> ??? how do i change Debian User to my real name? |
| 20:26.45 | inc|freaky | but i dont think i will be able to fix those problems |
| 20:26.47 | thingfish | well it also depends on how catastrophe-ready you are. |
| 20:26.56 | abrotman | thorie: it comes from /etc/passwd |
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| 20:27.00 | inc|freaky | thorie: chfn i think |
| 20:27.15 | Cope | inc|freaky: general recommendation - don't use sid yet :-) Tracking testing should be fine for your needs. |
| 20:27.19 | thorie | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:27.26 | uraclea_laptop | sid cant be much worse than running windows |
| 20:27.33 | Karny | is it possible to have two different resolutions/refresh rates off one gfx card (notebook)? |
| 20:27.34 | paulswm | inc|freaky: I know little about sound and graphics, for instance. But my overall experience tells me that it's better to be behind the leading edge and have stuff that reliably works |
| 20:27.38 | abrotman | thorie: and yes . inc|freaky is right .. chfn shuld change that |
| 20:27.43 | thingfish | and frankly, from what I've personally seen, you're at more risk running fedora core 3 than you are debian sid. |
| 20:27.43 | TolkienLuver | hi |
| 20:27.52 | TolkienLuver | can someone recommend me a secure ftp daemon? |
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| 20:27.57 | b00 | hello. I have sound problem. xmms, mplayer, etc .. all play, mixers work, radio works, even HL game, with winex has sound, but, not quake3 or doom3 (native linux) have sound :(. The error in console is /dev/dsp mmap error input/ouput. |
| 20:28.00 | Cope | TolkienLuver: vsftpd |
| 20:28.02 | paulswm | abrotman: oh, crap, you're right, what a giveaway |
| 20:28.02 | abrotman | TolkienLuver: sftp is better than ftp |
| 20:28.05 | Ulti | can any1 help me to get my 3com isa network card working? |
| 20:28.11 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 20:28.11 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
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| 20:28.19 | inc|freaky | awkay. maybe if everything is running fine with sarge and nothing to do, ill try running sid and if it doesnt work ill just reinstall the whole system to have something to do lol |
| 20:28.26 | inc|freaky | thx for all your help ;) |
| 20:28.27 | TolkienLuver | abrotman: yes, however i need to open a anonymous ftp connection under my network |
| 20:28.35 | TolkienLuver | sftp is going overboard |
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| 20:28.45 | Cope | TolkienLuver: vsftpd |
| 20:28.46 | abrotman | TolkienLuver: i prefer proftpd |
| 20:28.47 | TolkienLuver | Cope: thanks. |
| 20:28.51 | karsten | Ulti: lspci | greo -i net |
| 20:28.53 | b00 | dont have sound, that is |
| 20:28.56 | paulswm | abrotman: unless you are moving gigabytes between two boxes behind a firewall, when the extra encryption load si teh suck |
| 20:29.11 | TolkienLuver | vsftp has chroot that stands in advantage over proftpd? |
| 20:29.11 | abrotman | paulswm: say what? |
| 20:29.12 | tub | do you know is there any way to get philips acoustic edge work in 2.6.10, xfree 4.3 and kde 3.3. there are no drivers for it because philips hasn't released api |
| 20:29.20 | karsten | Ulti: Google that string. Find the right driver. 'modprobe <driver>'. See if you can get the card up. |
| 20:29.22 | abrotman | proftpd can do chroot |
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| 20:29.26 | paulswm | abrotman: sftp vs ftp |
| 20:29.27 | TolkienLuver | its hard to pick between vsftp and proftp |
| 20:29.38 | TolkienLuver | sigh |
| 20:29.42 | abrotman | paulswm: ah .. gotcha |
| 20:29.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:29.55 | inc|freaky | probably lol |
| 20:30.05 | paulswm | !pal inc|freaky |
| 20:30.10 | paulswm | heh |
| 20:30.11 | Ulti | oke thanx karsten |
| 20:30.12 | karsten | paulswm: Greets. |
| 20:30.13 | inc|freaky | heh ;p |
| 20:30.18 | quittt | Free Software RULES |
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| 20:30.28 | paulswm | karsten: Good to see you. |
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| 20:30.41 | Cope | TolkienLuver: either are fine; vsftpd is what I use hence what came to my mind; |
| 20:30.48 | karsten | Ulti: under /lib/modules/$( uname -r )/kernel/drivers/net you'll find a bunch of '3c*.o' files. One of those is your driver. |
| 20:30.52 | Cope | TolkienLuver: toss a coin |
| 20:30.54 | jethro | meh |
| 20:31.09 | TolkienLuver | okay. |
| 20:31.10 | thingfish | hi jethro |
| 20:31.11 | nvz | gah. |
| 20:31.12 | TolkienLuver | meh. |
| 20:31.14 | TolkienLuver | thanks. |
| 20:31.27 | karsten | Ulti: ...your mission, should you accept it, is to figure out which one it is. |
| 20:31.44 | jethro | hi thingfish |
| 20:31.47 | paulswm | gah? |
| 20:32.00 | inc|freaky | see you all tonight or tomorrow :) |
| 20:32.07 | travisat | goo goo gah gah?? |
| 20:32.09 | thingfish | later |
| 20:32.12 | paulswm | inc|freaky: see ya |
| 20:32.24 | greycat | travisat: is that all you want to say to us? |
| 20:32.37 | travisat | hmmmm yes |
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| 20:33.16 | karsten | Ulti: read /topic. Don't privmsg. |
| 20:33.17 | abrotman | karsten: can i get more insight on gnome :) |
| 20:33.24 | karsten | abrotman: Well... |
| 20:33.32 | karsten | abrotman: ...it's fucked seven ways from Sunday. |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | karsten: heh |
| 20:33.41 | karsten | abrotman: ...what else would you like to know about it? |
| 20:33.48 | abrotman | karsten: 7 days in a week .. coincedence ? |
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| 20:33.55 | travisat | whats the 3rd way? |
| 20:34.00 | paulswm | where's m wilson, he'll have some insight on gnome developers |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | !fuck gnome |
| 20:34.09 | abrotman | travisat: like that |
| 20:34.14 | karsten | abrotman: I'll have you know I was *very* diplomatic about it today at a HS class when asked "what's the difference between GNOME and KDE...." |
| 20:34.15 | karsten | abrotman: That's redundant. |
| 20:34.21 | travisat | oh, hmmm. |
| 20:34.27 | thingfish | dpkg is a filthy little thing, isn't it |
| 20:34.43 | travisat | gnomish pornstars and dpkg whatnot. |
| 20:34.48 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: no, it's 100% clean, pure electrons |
| 20:34.49 | greycat | thingfish: why yes, it is. |
| 20:34.54 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:34.57 | abrotman | karsten: it's hard to be objective about gnome vs. kde .. the methodologies are different .. as well as the technologies |
| 20:35.01 | paulswm | thingfish: all the bots have varying degrees of grubbiness |
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| 20:35.10 | hedonick | thingfish: you've obviously not spent many dark nights with dselect ;-) |
| 20:35.13 | zenlunatic | abrotman: both suck, nuff said |
| 20:35.16 | travisat | in the battle between gnome and kde, fvwm wins |
| 20:35.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 20:35.28 | karsten | abrotman: I *did* happen to demo WindowMaker ;-) |
| 20:35.31 | abrotman | zenlunatic: exactly my point .. thanks for proving it :) |
| 20:35.31 | greycat | paulswm: I'll have you know that all of their filth is 100% lovingly hand-crafted filth! |
| 20:35.39 | abrotman | karsten: what .. no blackbox ? |
| 20:35.43 | jethro | <troll>to be objective about gnome vs kde, you have to be using none of the two, and you'd conclude that both suck</troll> |
| 20:35.44 | paulswm | well really, if we're honest, the whole X thingie sucks |
| 20:35.51 | karsten | abrotman: Wasn't installed. Getting networking up. |
| 20:35.52 | zenlunatic | Windowmaker is a NeXT clone |
| 20:35.58 | paulswm | greycat: Ha, good one :) |
| 20:36.00 | greycat | jethro: where's the troll part? |
| 20:36.03 | abrotman | karsten: ah .. gotcha |
| 20:36.30 | travisat | I normally put dilbert and garfield on my silly-putty |
| 20:36.45 | zenlunatic | anyone know any good software patent rants? |
| 20:36.55 | abrotman | eff should have some |
| 20:36.55 | paulswm | karsten: tinvyvnc to use over ssh for remote X? |
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| 20:37.11 | jethro | greycat: I was preparing to face some "stfu and go away troll" :) |
| 20:37.12 | Ulti | karsten: i get this /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev_Rdae0a346 |
| 20:37.13 | karsten | paulswm: tinyvnc - tell me more. |
| 20:37.26 | karsten | Ulti: Stock or custom kernel? |
| 20:37.34 | karsten | Ulti: ...and you get that on what command? |
| 20:37.40 | abrotman | insmod! |
| 20:37.43 | karsten | Ulti: ...and what's the output of lspci | grep -i net |
| 20:37.51 | abrotman | iddn't he say it was ISA ? |
| 20:38.02 | Ulti | i did |
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| 20:38.07 | Ulti | say it was is |
| 20:38.17 | travisat | ??? |
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| 20:38.23 | abrotman | is it jumpered or ISA PnP ? |
| 20:38.25 | Ulti | i used this command insmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o |
| 20:38.25 | Ulti | /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o |
| 20:38.29 | karsten | paulswm: ...and I want to find a vnc inetd config recipie. |
| 20:38.35 | paulswm | karsten: ssh with putty to your box which has an open X session, execute x11vnc, then start up tinyvnc, and voila, you are in your X session over ssh. Minor bit of port forwarding to set up in putty. |
| 20:38.37 | burd | looking for a daemon that detects audio and starts recording.. any deas? |
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| 20:38.48 | burd | ideas^ |
| 20:38.50 | karsten | Ulti: Use modprobe, not insmod. modprobe resolves module deps for you. |
| 20:38.56 | Ulti | ok |
| 20:39.03 | Blissex | burd: JACK may have a plugin like that. |
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| 20:39.10 | karsten | paulswm: High school kids, noobs, need it simpler than that. |
| 20:39.12 | dondelelcaro | burd: just use any old recorder, and chop out parts of the audio that don't have any volume |
| 20:39.24 | travisat | burd: mephistophiles is my favorite demon |
| 20:39.29 | paulswm | karsten: I tried it a couple of weeks ago from work, boring a hole though an http proxy on the way |
| 20:39.39 | paulswm | karim: OH, thought it was for you |
| 20:39.48 | paulswm | karim: sry, wrong nick |
| 20:40.02 | karsten | paulswm: Sure, you can do that. I'm looking for a "here's a remote terminal access client". |
| 20:40.20 | Ulti | modprobe /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.oinsmod /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o |
| 20:40.20 | Luas | I tried to configure my X11 wich Xinerama and got the next error: cannot shmat() high memory. I am using a Sis 4MB PCI 0:17:0 and a TNT II PCI 1:0:0 cards. Du I need any update? Thank you in advance! |
| 20:40.22 | Ulti | modprobe: Can't locate module /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o |
| 20:40.32 | paulswm | karsten: ary, thought you are building a useful pocket floppy, is all |
| 20:40.48 | abrotman | Ulti: modprobe 3c509 |
| 20:40.48 | Blissex | Luas: you need to enable SysV IPC for one thing... |
| 20:41.02 | karsten | paulswm: Yeah. Looking for somehting that will run w/o install. |
| 20:41.04 | Luas | Blissex, how can I do that? sounds very good :) |
| 20:41.24 | Blissex | Luas: it is a kernel option. Did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 20:41.27 | karsten | paulswm: Google: TinyVNC was the name of the program I couldn't remember. |
| 20:41.43 | Ulti | abrotman: that's it ? |
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| 20:41.45 | Luas | no, i am using the kernel of the CD |
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| 20:41.48 | Luas | 2.2.20 kernel |
| 20:41.52 | Luas | Debian stable |
| 20:41.52 | abrotman | Ulti: try it |
| 20:41.53 | karsten | paulswm: ...no d/l site though. |
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| 20:42.00 | Ulti | i dit |
| 20:42.03 | Ulti | did* |
| 20:42.09 | paulswm | karsten: hang on |
| 20:42.09 | karsten | Ulti: If you put my name on the lines I'll see your posts... |
| 20:42.22 | mrhemlock | !test |
| 20:42.23 | dpkg | Yes, mrhemlock, you're still online. |
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| 20:42.28 | karsten | Ulti: modprobe 3c509. Try that. |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | Ulti: did it throw any errors ? |
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| 20:42.40 | Ulti | karsten: i did |
| 20:42.42 | karsten | Ulti: You just specify the module name. Not the filespec. |
| 20:43.04 | Ulti | abrotman: nope no errors |
| 20:43.07 | karsten | Ulti: You did what? |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | Ulti: lsmod .. do you see it ? |
| 20:43.18 | Ulti | karsten: modprobe 3c509 |
| 20:43.23 | Blissex | Luas: that should work... |
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| 20:43.36 | Blissex | Luas: how much memory have you got? How old is your PC? |
| 20:43.37 | karsten | Ulti: OK. Output? If it's muliple lines, /join #flood |
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| 20:44.19 | Luas | AMD K7 700 Mhz with 640 MB RAM |
| 20:44.28 | abrotman | Ulti: you have two nics ? |
| 20:44.31 | Ulti | karsten: pasted in #flood |
| 20:44.33 | Ulti | yepz |
| 20:44.33 | Blissex | Luas: thats pretty OK. |
| 20:44.37 | Ulti | abrotman: yes |
| 20:44.38 | abrotman | yepz ? |
| 20:44.51 | Blissex | Luas: what happens if you say 'ipcs' |
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| 20:45.03 | Luas | w8 a min |
| 20:45.07 | greycat | Luas: and you chose *woody*? why? |
| 20:45.09 | karsten | Ulti: Got it. |
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| 20:45.31 | Luas | i have 2 shared memory segments under root |
| 20:45.36 | Luas | 65KB |
| 20:45.52 | Luas | should i clean them? |
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| 20:46.07 | pder | debian is good |
| 20:46.13 | paulswm | karsten: sorry, my mistake: tightvnc it is, here http://www.tightvnc.com/ |
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| 20:46.24 | veruus | debian *is* good |
| 20:46.39 | blujay | debian is *very* good |
| 20:46.50 | greycat | *debian* is good |
| 20:46.50 | paulswm | !prize blujay |
| 20:46.52 | veruus | *debian* is very *good* |
| 20:47.00 | karsten | paulswm: Right. I've got tightvnc. Is that runable as a standalone EXE? |
| 20:47.07 | blujay | ty, paulswm |
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| 20:47.35 | BucWheat2 | how do i setup apt-get to use proxy ? |
| 20:47.53 | jasz | BucWheat2, .. i think you have to set he env var $HTTP_PROXY |
| 20:47.55 | veruus | karsten: in linux? |
| 20:47.55 | cafuego | BucWheat2: export http_proxy/ftp_proxy |
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| 20:47.57 | Flimzy | BucWheat2: The easiest way is export http_proxy="http://foo:8080/" |
| 20:47.58 | greycat | BucWheat2: /msg dpkg http_proxy |
| 20:48.01 | paulswm | karsten: I think so |
| 20:48.07 | karsten | veruus: No. Windows. |
| 20:48.09 | veruus | ah |
| 20:48.14 | karsten | paulswm: Got any dope on that? |
| 20:48.19 | veruus | yeah, install from tightvnc.com's installer |
| 20:48.26 | veruus | oh |
| 20:48.31 | jethro | debian is what your mom would use if it were 20 times easier |
| 20:48.33 | veruus | wait, their zipfile has the binaries |
| 20:48.34 | BucWheat2 | thanks. i luv this chan ;) |
| 20:48.34 | veruus | :P |
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| 20:48.43 | karsten | veruus: a run-from-floppy no-install VNC is the goal. |
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| 20:49.05 | veruus | karsten: yeah, grab them from the zip - it works well like that |
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| 20:49.21 | karsten | veruus: OK. I'll give it a shot. |
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| 20:49.30 | paulswm | karsten: http://www.tightvnc.com/download.html see tightvnc-1.2.9_x86_viewer.zip 155,473 Viewer executable, does not require installation |
| 20:49.58 | veruus | anyone else get a porn msg from UmiT? |
| 20:50.02 | veruus | dork |
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| 20:50.10 | dvs | !ops UmiT is spamming |
| 20:50.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: UmiT is spamming |
| 20:50.12 | karsten | paulswm: Viewer only. That's not bidirectional. |
| 20:50.12 | Luas | Blissex: still there? I appreciate your help |
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| 20:50.18 | karsten | paulswm: I like getting it both ways. |
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| 20:50.30 | LoRez | klined |
| 20:50.30 | veruus | bitchin |
| 20:50.32 | veruus | :D |
| 20:50.50 | pder | can debian be installed on a computer system? |
| 20:50.51 | Blissex | Luas: use my nick in replies or I will not notice them... |
| 20:50.55 | dvs | veruus: Happy? |
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| 20:50.57 | LoRez | anybody happen to have done a whois on umit before he left? |
| 20:51.01 | paulswm | karsten: Heh, I won't touch that, don't know about a standalone server |
| 20:51.03 | veruus | pder: that's usually how it's done |
| 20:51.05 | Blissex | pder: depends on the computer system. |
| 20:51.10 | veruus | dvs: quite |
| 20:51.10 | veruus | ;) |
| 20:51.21 | Luas | Blissex: i have 2 shared memory segments under root, 65 K each. Should i clean them? |
| 20:51.28 | karsten | paulswm: Ooooohhh.... |
| 20:51.32 | pder | i need a computer to use debian? |
| 20:51.39 | karsten | paulswm: I'm a compleet idiot, no parts missing. |
| 20:51.40 | Blissex | Luas: no, that should be OK, that means you have SysV IPC active. |
| 20:51.44 | BucWheat2 | ok after following dpkg's instructions on http-proxy apt-get can't get out to internet |
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| 20:51.45 | LoRez | pder: go back to AOL |
| 20:51.47 | karsten | paulswm: "viewer" as in !server. Doh. |
| 20:51.57 | karsten | paulswm: Thanks. |
| 20:52.00 | Flimzy | If mplayer reports a .wmv file to be 1000fps... what the heck does that mean? |
| 20:52.01 | karsten | !beer paulswm |
| 20:52.10 | paulswm | karsten: you are welcome, buddy |
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| 20:52.23 | greycat | Flimzy: probably meant 1000 kbps |
| 20:52.36 | pder | LoRez: does debian support AOL? |
| 20:52.37 | greycat | which is a reasonable video codec bitrate |
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| 20:52.37 | BucWheat2 | i did: export 'http_proxy=http://192.168.0.1:9877/' then apt-get install perlmagick |
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| 20:52.45 | LoRez | pder: quit trolling. |
| 20:52.49 | Blissex | Luas: can you put up on a website a copy of your X server startup log? |
| 20:52.51 | BucWheat2 | and apt-get errors on looking up packages mirror |
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| 20:53.05 | Flimzy | greycat: 1) I've never known mplayer to report the bitrate, 2) other means determined the bitrate of this particular file to be closer to 85kbit/sec |
| 20:53.06 | pder | LoRez: a fair question, no? |
| 20:53.07 | FieldySnuts | LoRez: he's been here before, might be a bot, under a different nick |
| 20:53.13 | FieldySnuts | maybe not a bot |
| 20:53.27 | FieldySnuts | anyway, somebody was asking similar questions a few days (?) ago |
| 20:53.27 | greycat | 85 kbps on a *video* file? Good flippin' god! |
| 20:53.28 | Luas | Blissex that would take a while |
| 20:53.29 | LoRez | pder: go read the website |
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| 20:53.41 | Golf_ | Hi all |
| 20:53.47 | Flimzy | greycat: Yeah... it's pretty low quality. Thank goodness it's only animated material. heh |
| 20:53.52 | greycat | you wouldn't even want to listen to *audio* at that low a bitrate... |
| 20:53.56 | pder | LoRez the debian one? |
| 20:54.06 | LoRez | pder: yes. |
| 20:54.08 | One | Em atenção à sua mensagem, esclarecemos que o endereço em referência está localizado a aproximadamente 3.500 metros da estação Morumbi. Cabe ressaltar ainda, que a estação está localizada do lado contrário da marginal do Rio Pinheiros, tornando obrigatória a transposição do rio para alcançar as ruas de acesso à Rua Isac Milder. |
| 20:54.08 | One | Na eventualidade de dúvidas, consulte o guia de ruas. |
| 20:54.08 | One | Atenciosamente |
| 20:54.09 | One | Atendimento ao Usuário |
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| 20:54.16 | FieldySnuts | um okay |
| 20:54.17 | One | Companhia Paulista de Trens Metropolitanos - CPTM |
| 20:54.22 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 20:54.23 | Flimzy | greycat: The audio is 16Hz mono... ~16kbit I think |
| 20:54.24 | paulswm | !es |
| 20:54.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:54.33 | greycat | Flimzy: man rm |
| 20:54.41 | simonrvn | spanish spam |
| 20:54.42 | Flimzy | greycat: hehe |
| 20:54.43 | Golfgeo | Anyone know a standerd in Debian present app like isobust with witch I can recover a dammaged CD? |
| 20:54.44 | LoRez | was his question remotely debian related? |
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| 20:54.53 | greycat | simonrvn: portuguese, I think |
| 20:55.03 | hedonick | Flimzy: 16 Hz... that's like burps, roght ;-) |
| 20:55.09 | simonrvn | yeh, you're right |
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| 20:56.00 | paulswm | yes, I thought spanish at first, but it is portuguese |
| 20:56.17 | FieldySnuts | 16 Hz isn't exactly useful for audio, or much of anything really |
| 20:56.35 | LoRez | damn.... I keep making my dvd burner go offline. |
| 20:56.47 | thorie | where does the $MAIL environment variable get set? i can't find it in .bashrc |
| 20:56.52 | FieldySnuts | LoRez: offline? what do you mean? |
| 20:57.14 | kyncani | Golfgeo: you may try dd_rescue |
| 20:57.20 | apfel | I'm wondering why pornview opens a separate window with the title "proview_status" showing a girl? |
| 20:57.21 | LoRez | FieldySnuts: kernel: scsi0 (8:0): rejecting I/O to offline device |
| 20:57.37 | FieldySnuts | not familiar with that one, you're causing that? |
| 20:57.48 | BucWheat2 | Flimzy export of http-proxy didn't work |
| 20:57.57 | LoRez | FieldySnuts: attempting to use growisofs to burn a dvd, yeah. |
| 20:58.03 | BucWheat2 | Flimzy and i know my proxy info is correct because i can surf the web in firefox with the same info |
| 20:58.09 | FieldySnuts | http_proxy="http://user:pass@host:port/" |
| 20:58.14 | paulswm | there's a program called pornview? |
| 20:58.16 | FieldySnuts | LoRez: hm. never seen that prob |
| 20:58.20 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: yep, general image viewer |
| 20:58.44 | Golfgeo | kyncani thanks mate |
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| 20:58.52 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Well that's something new I've learned today |
| 20:58.53 | kyncani | Golfgeo: np |
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| 20:59.08 | BucWheat2 | greycat any idea why apt-get won't d/l ? |
| 20:59.09 | FieldySnuts | BucWheat2: the environment variable most apps expect is http_proxy not http-proxy . also, ftp_proxy |
| 20:59.15 | apfel | Though I would like it to have another name because I want to show some pictures to my parents. Might be a little creepy I guess. ;) |
| 20:59.25 | greycat | BucWheat2: did the proxy logs give you anything useful? |
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| 20:59.39 | blujay | apfel: why not just use Konqueror? it does image viewing and thumbnailing well |
| 20:59.41 | apfel | Uhm, none of the pictures the program name might suggest! |
| 20:59.45 | paulswm | That's exactly why I was wondering at the name. |
| 20:59.52 | paulswm | apfel: or gthumb |
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| 21:00.03 | BucWheat2 | greycat where are the proxy logs named? |
| 21:00.08 | BucWheat2 | greycat i'm in /var/log now |
| 21:00.13 | Flimzy | BucWheat2: Try reading what I actually said then... and export http_proxy |
| 21:00.25 | Sero | How do you set the resolution from the terminal? I forgot how. |
| 21:00.28 | apfel | blujay: I don't use KDE. |
| 21:00.36 | blujay | apfel: you can still use Konqueror |
| 21:00.37 | greycat | BucWheat2: for FUCK's sake, how would *I* know where *YOUR* proxy keeps its logs? |
| 21:00.37 | abrotman | nor should you! |
| 21:00.38 | apfel | paulswm: Thanks |
| 21:00.39 | BucWheat2 | Flimzy i did http_proxy i mistyped in chan |
| 21:00.42 | paulswm | apfel: yw |
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| 21:01.01 | FieldySnuts | if it's squid, /var/log/squid/ |
| 21:01.04 | dvs | greycat: because you're a psyhic? ;-) |
| 21:01.05 | apfel | blujay: I know but I don't even want to install all the KDE libs bloat |
| 21:01.08 | Flimzy | BucWheat2: you might also do ftp_proxy, if apt uses ftp method |
| 21:01.13 | greycat | FieldySnuts: you assume it's a *debian* squid. |
| 21:01.17 | blujay | apfel: oh, ok then. |
| 21:01.28 | BucWheat2 | Flimzy k |
| 21:01.31 | greycat | Flimzy: ewwwww, people still *use* ftp? |
| 21:02.00 | Sero | How do you change the resolution from the terminal? |
| 21:02.05 | karsten | paulswm: PuTTY + TightVNC viewer + docs == 1.2 MB. |
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| 21:02.44 | FieldySnuts | greycat: true |
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| 21:02.59 | abrotman | Sero: resolution for what ? (and stop repeating damn it ) |
| 21:03.07 | BucWheat2 | Flimzy ftp_proxy did the trick. now how do i disable the proxy when i'm no longer behind one? |
| 21:03.10 | Flimzy | greycat: at least it's not gopher :P |
| 21:03.17 | FieldySnuts | @lart raid5 for being slower than anticipated |
| 21:03.34 | Flimzy | BucWheat2: when you log out, what you exported will go away, unless you add it to your profile somewhere |
| 21:03.44 | Flimzy | BucWheat2: But you can explicitly unset an environment variable. See the man page for your shell |
| 21:03.54 | BucWheat2 | Flimzy k. thanks |
| 21:04.12 | Sero | abrotman, Sorry. The screen's resolution. |
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| 21:04.22 | abrotman | Sero: for terminal or X ? |
| 21:04.29 | Sero | X. |
| 21:04.33 | Flimzy | Blah, of my 20 Clonewars .mov's 2 are not easily converting to DVD format. |
| 21:04.40 | FieldySnuts | xdpyinfo | less and look around |
| 21:04.55 | FieldySnuts | or was it xpdyinfo , somethin like that |
| 21:05.07 | FieldySnuts | cryptic arsed commands. |
| 21:05.58 | zarchne | Sero: maybe you mean "Ctrl-Alt-Keypad+"? |
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| 21:06.55 | greycat | FieldySnuts: xdpyinfo, as in "x display info" |
| 21:07.01 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 21:07.06 | Sero | No, I want to change the resolution for X from the terminal. |
| 21:07.14 | greycat | !drxx sero |
| 21:07.15 | dpkg | sero: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 21:07.43 | zarchne | Sero: oh, a command... gotcha. |
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| 21:08.42 | FieldySnuts | yeesh this du -sh on a raid5 is past 10 mins now, it's only 12G or so of files |
| 21:08.47 | cafuego | !lart FieldySnuts for just not understanding |
| 21:08.53 | FieldySnuts | :( |
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| 21:09.11 | zarchne | Sero: you may need to write a noddy X program. |
| 21:09.15 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: PIO mode raid5 is not going to be any faster then DMA single-disk. |
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| 21:09.44 | nomeata | hi. what's it again that I need to switch to have italic bitstream vera fonts? |
| 21:10.10 | FieldySnuts | well they're scsi, if it matters. not a lot of experience with this, are you saying I can improve things? |
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| 21:10.42 | zarchne | Sero: e.g., with perl and use SDL:: something |
| 21:10.48 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: scsi what? |
| 21:10.58 | Scorper | hmm does anyone have any idea how to improve my HD speed |
| 21:10.59 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: software? hardware? |
| 21:11.05 | Scorper | it currently reads 14MB/s |
| 21:11.07 | cafuego | Scorper: Buy a faster HD. |
| 21:11.12 | paulswm | Scorper: man hdparm |
| 21:11.26 | Scorper | paulswm: I have a SATA drive |
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| 21:11.33 | Scorper | so hdparm doesnt work |
| 21:11.37 | paulswm | Scorper: Oh, sry |
| 21:11.37 | cafuego | Scorper: Get a supported controller. |
| 21:11.43 | Scorper | I have |
| 21:11.51 | Scorper | Silicon Image 3112A |
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| 21:11.58 | cafuego | Scorper: if it was proeprly supported it'd be a lot faster then that. |
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| 21:12.11 | Scorper | it is configured in UDMA100 mode too |
| 21:12.15 | cafuego | Oh, sil, get a controller. |
| 21:12.30 | abrotman | sil_sata_blacklist!! |
| 21:12.31 | Scorper | but all the benchmarks say 14MB/s :/ in windows I get 46MB/s |
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| 21:12.45 | cafuego | Scorper: Yes, windows probably has a better driver. |
| 21:12.52 | abrotman | Scorper: which drive is attached ? |
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| 21:13.03 | abrotman | and which kernel ? |
| 21:13.07 | Scorper | 2.6 |
| 21:13.13 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: hardware, 100% hardware not some win-hardware |
| 21:13.24 | abrotman | Scorper: uname -a |
| 21:13.24 | cafuego | Scorper: You should be able to do a world of good for performance by getting a non-sil controller. |
| 21:13.24 | abrotman | err -r |
| 21:13.35 | FieldySnuts | yeah sil's are crap |
| 21:13.46 | FieldySnuts | rarely are they 100% hardware |
| 21:13.55 | cafuego | And I'm not just saying that coz I also have one. |
| 21:14.02 | Scorper | I'm not going to buy a new mobo to get my hd working properly in linux :P |
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| 21:14.10 | FieldySnuts | same, we played with some, what a disaster/joke |
| 21:14.13 | abrotman | Scorper: which kernel .. which drive ? |
| 21:14.16 | cafuego | Scorper: I never said anything about buying anew mobo, did I? |
| 21:14.17 | karsten | So I've just had an evil thought.... |
| 21:14.30 | Scorper | 2.6 kernel and a seagaye barracuda 160GB |
| 21:14.35 | karsten | ...firefox should have an option to randomly query msn.com every so often... |
| 21:14.43 | paulswm | Not being a SATA owner, what's a sil? Is it the same concept as a cheapass so-called RAID controller or a winmodem? |
| 21:14.45 | veruus | karsten: why? |
| 21:14.46 | abrotman | Scorper: that's not a kernel .. 2.6.10 is a kernel |
| 21:14.46 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: anyway yeah 100% hardware, anything you'd care to pass on would be nice, i might be a tad busy so i'll be slow to respond |
| 21:14.48 | karsten | ...to inflate FFX hits at MSFT's own website. |
| 21:14.52 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: pretty much |
| 21:14.58 | karsten | veruus: To scare the crap out of MSFT. |
| 21:14.58 | abrotman | Scorper: dmesg | grep ST |
| 21:15.05 | abrotman | for the drive |
| 21:15.06 | veruus | bah |
| 21:15.09 | veruus | they'd figure it out |
| 21:15.14 | Luas | Blissex: http://www.nefkom.net/saul/linux/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:15.16 | veruus | stats are dumb anyway |
| 21:15.22 | cafuego | karsten: Run apachebench on the sucker. |
| 21:15.37 | karsten | cafuego: Heh. |
| 21:15.43 | Blissex | Luas: having a look. |
| 21:15.49 | karsten | cafuego: Don't need to bring it down. Just inflate hits. |
| 21:15.51 | simonrvn | and watch it crash and burn ;) |
| 21:16.01 | abrotman | Scorper: i'm trying to help you .. if you give me the stuff i'm asking for .. it's a lot easier |
| 21:16.14 | abrotman | or i can just tell you to read sata_sil.c |
| 21:16.15 | Blissex | Luas: thats the configuration, I'd rather see the _log_ ('/var/log/XFree86.0.log') |
| 21:16.18 | cafuego | Maybe we should organise an 'ab' party. HACK THE PLANET!!! |
| 21:16.20 | paulswm | cafuego: I think karsten's point is to persuade MS that IE is dramatically losing market share |
| 21:16.25 | Scorper | abrotman: wait, I'll boot in linux and check the kernel |
| 21:16.30 | FieldySnuts | "persuade" heh |
| 21:16.31 | Scorper | boot to linux mean I |
| 21:16.34 | Luas | Blissex, ok, another min |
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| 21:16.46 | abrotman | Scorper: http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/scsi/sata_sil.c .. scroll to line 82 .. see what i'm asking for ? |
| 21:17.09 | Luas | Blissex: uploaded |
| 21:17.33 | Luas | Blissex: under http://www.nefkom.net/saul/linux/XFree86.0.log |
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| 21:17.54 | Golfgeo | Seagate disks? |
| 21:17.55 | abrotman | god damn him .. he quit |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | Golfgeo: mostly .. a seagate is listed too .. the list keeps growing |
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| 21:18.25 | Golfgeo | Just saw the model numbers... :-) |
| 21:18.27 | abrotman | Golfgeo: it's something with Sil+seagate drives .. dataloss drives die .. all around bad stuff .. the patch makes the drive about 5 times slower |
| 21:18.31 | cafuego | abrotman: He's an idiot, bought hardware without thinking and now blames Linux for not working like Windows does. |
| 21:18.52 | simonrvn | pretty much |
| 21:18.56 | abrotman | cafuego: it's not that .. either sil or seagate didn't follow spec .. it causes serious issues |
| 21:19.01 | cafuego | And if he's got a seagate driver, al the dumber of him to not by WD. |
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| 21:19.08 | Ulti | abrotman: the 3com doesn't work |
| 21:19.18 | Golfgeo | abrotman Hmm, I just got ata disks |
| 21:19.22 | Luas | Blissex: sorry Blissex, i didn't backup the log with the error... i have to try it again, i think. |
| 21:19.27 | FieldySnuts | @doesn't work |
| 21:19.29 | abrotman | cafuego: Golfgeo: more reading http://kerneltrap.org/node/2999 |
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| 21:19.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 21:19.40 | ravenbird | salut |
| 21:19.42 | FieldySnuts | heh.. |
| 21:19.42 | simonrvn | not following spec would cause problems too |
| 21:20.19 | cafuego | Golfgeo: Yeah, I have a couple of seagates too. The WDs I have are all quieter and faster. |
| 21:20.23 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: i hit a bug i think. need to figure it out. |
| 21:20.42 | cafuego | simonrvn: Newest PPC addition: iBook 12" :-) |
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| 21:20.49 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 21:21.02 | legis | Hi, my wireless NIC detects like 5 networks but not one of them has dhcp server, what tool can i use to see what IPs they are using? |
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| 21:21.08 | simonrvn | ati video? |
| 21:21.10 | cafuego | the imac Mini and iSight should arrive in a couple of weeks. |
| 21:21.15 | cafuego | simonrvn: lemme check |
| 21:21.21 | Golfgeo | cafuego Well, when I wan't a new disk it has to be Seagate... I never had a problem with them before... |
| 21:21.25 | Blissex | Luas: if sometimes it happens and sometimes it does not happen, why dont you use the config under which it does not happen? |
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| 21:21.57 | mentor | paulswm: soul by soul and silently, our shining bounds increase? :p |
| 21:22.03 | Golfgeo | cafuego Got one now thats has been spinning for more than 23000 hours :-) |
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| 21:22.26 | Blissex | Luas: also, the config you posted is a single head/card config, but you said you had two cards/heads. Are you trying to be funny or what? |
| 21:22.39 | Golfgeo | cafuego (This is bycause hdparm can't downspin it at all....) |
| 21:22.57 | Luas | Blissex, i am sorry, pls refresh the page. The real log is now uploaded. |
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| 21:23.23 | cafuego | simonrvn: yep. |
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| 21:23.41 | cafuego | Golfgeo: Got a dead 80G one right here... |
| 21:23.41 | Luas | Blissex: I didn't know that the log overwrites itself with each restart. Sorry again. |
| 21:23.52 | simonrvn | less problems, won't be 3d accel until the support is there though |
| 21:24.12 | cafuego | simonrvn: Oh, it's not going to run Linux, ever. OSX (maybe with Fink added on) |
| 21:24.17 | alex_ | sorry if the question is not really related to debian, but I am looking for a very very simple icecast mp3 streamer easy to use, anyone ? |
| 21:24.18 | Golfgeo | abrotman I have to say that low level C programming isn't my thing at all. I'm just greatfull that people develop Linux for us. |
| 21:24.23 | paulswm | mentor: heh, I had to think about that. |
| 21:24.31 | karsten | So. USB floppy. /proc/scsi/scsi says Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 21:24.50 | karsten | ...is that /dev/sdb? And if so, why: mount: /dev/sdb is not a valid block device |
| 21:24.53 | karsten | ...on mount? |
| 21:24.54 | abrotman | Golfgeo: i guess .. but it's a hardware issue from what i gather |
| 21:24.55 | cafuego | simonrvn: The Mini will probably be dual-boot, but only for playing as well. Maybe 10G Linux or so. |
| 21:24.55 | Golfgeo | cafuego Wow, an old one? |
| 21:25.05 | cafuego | Golfgeo: about 3 years. |
| 21:25.07 | simonrvn | nods |
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| 21:25.14 | Blissex | Luas: does that error happen _always_ and exactly in the same way? |
| 21:25.24 | cafuego | simonrvn: My wife is stoked, no more KDE on a 350MHz G3 ;-) |
| 21:25.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 21:25.46 | cafuego | and I can ssh to mum-in-law's G5 from here <heheh> |
| 21:25.48 | Luas | Blissex: as far as i know, yes |
| 21:26.05 | Golfgeo | cafuego Hmm, thats wierd... It should be still good. But sometimes your lucky with a disk, sometimes yor not. |
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| 21:26.11 | simonrvn | cafuego: oooh |
| 21:26.21 | LSorensen | karsten: modprobe sd_mod |
| 21:26.25 | LSorensen | karsten: see if that detects anything |
| 21:26.29 | Blissex | Luas: because usually, but not always, signal 11 means there is some kind of hardware error. |
| 21:26.42 | LSorensen | karsten: sd_mod = scsi disk module |
| 21:26.49 | karsten | LSorensen: Loaded already: sd_mod 21728 0 - Live 0xf8866000 |
| 21:27.01 | Luas | Blissex: but i cannot be sure, i tried to configure xinerama some times and it didn't work |
| 21:27.02 | karsten | LSorensen: scsi_mod 125004 7 sg,st,usb_storage,sr_mod,ide_scsi,sd_mod,libata, Live 0xf88860 |
| 21:27.09 | karsten | LSorensen: Seems that the device is up, I just can't find it. |
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| 21:27.12 | Luas | Blissex: 11 should be segmentation fault |
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| 21:27.39 | Blissex | Luas: if the error happens always, why did you write «with the error... i have to try it again» |
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| 21:28.20 | karsten | LSorensen: There's also an ide-scsi CDR: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 21:28.28 | Luas | Blissex: because i am writing you under windows and didn't remember the exact error code |
| 21:28.29 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 21:28.29 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 21:28.57 | thoron | !clue |
| 21:28.57 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. ... |
| 21:29.18 | Blissex | Luas: however I have before my eyes two different logs, one with an error and one without, and they both refer to exactly the same hardware... So you are playing funny tricks here. |
| 21:29.57 | Golfgeo | apt stil knows me :-) |
| 21:30.00 | Blissex | Luas: I would also like to point out that in the one without the error the difference is that the 'vesa' driver is used for both cards. perhaps that's a good idea.... |
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| 21:30.17 | Golfgeo | I love apt |
| 21:30.18 | Luas | Blissex: I am not really used to Debian. To the next point: I have 3 configs: 2 with 1 monitor at a time, that work, and the config you have seen, with both monitors at once |
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| 21:30.37 | Roey | <Luas> Blissex: because i am writing you under windows |
| 21:30.40 | Roey | :) |
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| 21:30.52 | simonrvn | @:)stats |
| 21:30.53 | ravenbird | zero counter for :). |
| 21:31.01 | simonrvn | meh. still borked |
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| 21:31.16 | Luas | Blissex: config 1: http://www.nefkom.net/saul/linux/XF86Config-4.sun config 2: http://www.nefkom.net/saul/linux/XF86Config-4.kds |
| 21:31.23 | Hikaru79 | I am trying to use FTP to connect to /media/sda1 on a Debian server, but apparently it's "Permission Denied" ... what would I do to give user 'hikaru79' permission to access /media/sda1 ? |
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| 21:31.36 | greycat | Hikaru79: man chgrp, man chmod |
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| 21:32.01 | Nwallins | aNaSTaCia_geBeri is sending IM spam from here and #redhat |
| 21:32.02 | Luas | Blissex: both work, but if i try to put them together, it doesn't start, and exits with the error code you've seen |
| 21:32.11 | Hikaru79 | greycat, I've chmod'ded it to 777, but no luck |
| 21:32.28 | simonrvn | @ops aNaSTaCia_geBeri is sending IM spam |
| 21:32.28 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aNaSTaCia_geBeri is sending IM spam |
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| 21:32.39 | greycat | GODS, why does everyone always start BREAKING SHIT by chmod 777 as soon as they think they have a permissions problem? |
| 21:32.43 | zOap | simonrvn, lets flood him |
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| 21:32.57 | Blissex | Luas: then assuming it is not a hardware error, use a configuration where the 'vesa' driver is used for both cards, not one with 'nv' and the other with 'vesa' or 'sis'. |
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| 21:33.23 | mentor | :) |
| 21:33.23 | Blissex | Luas: it is entirely possible that the 'sis' and the 'nv' drivers dont work well togetther. |
| 21:33.25 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 21:33.25 | Luas | Blissex: i already tried using vesa on both cards, do you need that log also? |
| 21:33.31 | LoRez | greenfly: klined. |
| 21:33.36 | LoRez | er, greycat :) |
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| 21:34.15 | Golfgeo | bbl |
| 21:34.16 | paulswm | greycat: the same reason they want root login to X, Windows admin mentality? |
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| 21:34.39 | ohmy | any one know at what time irq 3 or 4 are assigned at boot time?? |
| 21:34.41 | simonrvn | windoze teaches very bad admin skills |
| 21:34.53 | greycat | paulswm: and they NEVER check the parent directory. Oh, no. They only see what's right in front of their beady little eyes. |
| 21:35.05 | simonrvn | haha |
| 21:35.12 | greycat | ohmy: the BIOS assigns it as power-on, for PCI devices. |
| 21:35.13 | ohmy | hehe |
| 21:35.47 | ohmy | ok but when does debian boot process allocate them to what device? |
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| 21:36.10 | rxc | hello all. i was trying to make my `win' key a group switch... (the scroll_lock is already a group toggle), so i added Option "XkbOptions" "grp:win_switch" to my XF86Config-4.. but it doesn't seem to do anything. any ideas? |
| 21:36.20 | LoRez | ohmy: debian doesn't do jack with them. linux does. |
| 21:36.25 | greycat | ohmy: the kernel probes the PCI device and *learns* what IRQ they have. It does not *assign* one, because the BIOS already did that. |
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| 21:36.43 | ohmy | ok.. |
| 21:36.48 | LoRez | well, that too :) |
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| 21:37.12 | greycat | ISA, of course, is a bit different... |
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| 21:37.19 | Luas | Blissex: i've uploaded the new log, both with the VESA driver |
| 21:37.22 | FieldySnuts | in bash, if I start a task like so: task & it's backgrounded. I can log out of that session and it still runs. how about if I run it like so: task , then hit ctl-z, bg, will I get the same results? |
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| 21:37.39 | greycat | FieldySnuts: screen(1), "help disown" |
| 21:37.43 | ohmy | I have a real problem...then..I have an 8port multiport card that shows in lspci -v it is assigned irq3 |
| 21:37.44 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 21:37.47 | LSorensen | greycat: or so you hope. If the bios is crappy (some embedded boards for example) then you have to go fix that mess first. :) |
| 21:37.51 | ^m0se5 | Back [Duration]: 3hrs 19mins [Reason]: auto away after 30 minutes of inactivity Time is now: 5:38pm ‹‹UPP›› |
| 21:37.54 | greycat | FieldySnuts: but yes, bg is the same as "&" |
| 21:37.58 | Luas | Blissex: the same ocurred: http://www.nefkom.net/saul/linux/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:38.02 | FieldySnuts | thought so |
| 21:38.05 | ohmy | by the bios and the pci slot its in |
| 21:38.08 | LSorensen | ohmy: what is wrong with that? |
| 21:38.10 | LoRez | ^m0se5: turn that junk off. |
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| 21:38.23 | ohmy | nothing |
| 21:38.28 | LSorensen | ohmy: excactly |
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| 21:38.46 | LSorensen | ohmy: bios finds an unused irq and assignes it to one of the 4 PCI interrupt lines |
| 21:39.11 | LSorensen | ohmy: it then assignes irqs to the pci cards based on which PCI irq line they happen to be connected to |
| 21:39.17 | ohmy | but what is serious is I am assinging each port in inittab a speed of 38400 and terminal type but it is not being seen or executed |
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| 21:39.41 | LSorensen | ohmy: is your kernel compiled with support for that particular 8port card? |
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| 21:39.58 | LSorensen | ohmy: along with pci and sharedirq serial support, and support for more than 4 ports? |
| 21:40.11 | LSorensen | ohmy: and do you have the right /dev/ttyS* entries created? |
| 21:40.33 | ohmy | LSorensen, I know that now but what is overiding the speeds set for my mulitport card to deafault them to 9600 |
| 21:40.39 | EzoNaan | hello.. I tried to update libc6, that didnt work and now whenever i try to install some app it tries to install the update of libc6, can i remove the update somehow? |
| 21:40.44 | cafuego | Nothing sounds as retarded as an badly self-installed asthmatic turbo. |
| 21:40.45 | paulswm | greycat: I think a lot of folks without server/mainframe/multi-user exposure don't see an OS in the same way, it's just something which runs their computer, and the importance of security through encapsulation and compartmentalization is lost on them. That sounds much more pompus than mI intended, btw |
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| 21:41.13 | LSorensen | ohmy: not sure. something else using them? DO they work at 9600 at the moment? |
| 21:41.24 | Rawplayer | what is a nice and clean way to put a PTR to a ip something like this? READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT p |
| 21:41.28 | Rawplayer | 22:38 -!- slocate [slocate@mars.shellwave.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] |
| 21:41.31 | Rawplayer | 22:38 < ohmy> ok.. |
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| 21:41.38 | ohmy | LSorensen, I have recompiled kernel |
| 21:41.38 | greycat | whoops. :) |
| 21:41.38 | Blissex | Luas: having a look... |
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| 21:41.56 | Rawplayer | damned |
| 21:41.58 | LSorensen | ohmy: but did you enable the correct serial driver options |
| 21:42.00 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Please unplug your mouse. |
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| 21:42.08 | abrotman | what happened to the sil guy ? |
| 21:42.09 | plasmatic | how do you set mysql to boot on startup? |
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| 21:42.19 | Rawplayer | am i still spamming? |
| 21:42.23 | greycat | Rawplayer: mp |
| 21:42.26 | greycat | Rawplayer: no |
| 21:42.29 | cafuego | abrotman: He got annoyed with us for telling him he bought crap hardware. |
| 21:42.31 | Rawplayer | k sorry for that |
| 21:42.40 | ohmy | LSorensen, it knows and is setting each of the 8 ports of the multiport card but somehow it looses the speed I set in /etc/inittab and sets them to 9600 baud instead |
| 21:42.40 | cafuego | Rawplayer: lummel |
| 21:42.41 | LSorensen | ohmy: which serial card is it? |
| 21:42.45 | abrotman | cafuego: it's not that it's so bad .. just that combination .. |
| 21:42.47 | Rawplayer | my laptop buttons are a bit wanked |
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| 21:43.01 | LSorensen | ohmy: what does one of your inittab lines look like? |
| 21:43.02 | cafuego | abrotman: Oh come on, it's a Sil! |
| 21:43.14 | jim | a PTR record is to a numeric IP. |
| 21:43.20 | ohmy | LSorensen, they do Not work yet but they do show as devices ttyS0-S8 |
| 21:43.26 | karim | what is gam_server ? |
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| 21:43.42 | greycat | jim: it's *assigned* to a numeric IP, and it contains a hostname... |
| 21:43.48 | werdna | how do I mount a cd-rom burner? |
| 21:43.50 | ohmy | LSorensen, its the speed demon vscom800:) |
| 21:43.53 | LSorensen | ohmy: I almost suspect incorrect driver selected or wrong options |
| 21:43.56 | greycat | werdna: same way you mount a CD-ROM |
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| 21:44.11 | abrotman | cafuego: i know .. but i'm involved in a dual opteron purchase for a .org .. and they don't have an issue with it .. even though i really recommended that they get an adaptec or anything else but the sil built into the Tyan board |
| 21:44.11 | Rawplayer | "ipc111e1d6.oom-killer.org" ok is this a nice and clean way? the ip is 193.17.225.214 and the domainname oom-killer.org |
| 21:44.14 | LSorensen | ohmy: lines I use in inittab are like this: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 57600 vt100 |
| 21:44.19 | Rawplayer | i have the ip then in hex |
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| 21:44.30 | LSorensen | ohmy: which works on normal serial ports at least |
| 21:44.32 | keko_ | how i can open zip.gz files |
| 21:44.40 | abrotman | gunzip ? |
| 21:44.44 | werdna | how can you check if the device is working? |
| 21:44.47 | ohmy | LSorensen, mine are the same |
| 21:44.48 | paulswm | and then unzip? |
| 21:44.48 | greycat | "zip.gz"? what the hell...? |
| 21:44.54 | ohmy | LSorensen, as yours |
| 21:45.08 | LSorensen | who makes the vscom800? |
| 21:45.14 | abrotman | i do! |
| 21:45.18 | cafuego | Rawplayer: You need to add an entry for ipc111e1d6 to the oo-killer.org zone file. For a reverse entry, you need control of the 193.17.225.0 netblock. |
| 21:45.27 | Rawplayer | i know cafuego :) |
| 21:45.31 | paulswm | keko_: You have a file which ands in .zip.gz? |
| 21:45.41 | keko_ | yeah |
| 21:45.44 | keko_ | =) |
| 21:45.46 | keko_ | strange |
| 21:45.50 | LSorensen | ohmy: and does dmesg|grep ttyS show anything? (dump to #flood if possible) |
| 21:45.53 | Rawplayer | but i'am just wondering what a nice and clean/normal way could be for reverse |
| 21:46.23 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Hoiw do you mean? You set up a normal reverse mapping zone for 255.17.193.in-addr.arpa. |
| 21:46.29 | paulswm | werdna: You don't mount the device, you mount the CD in it. If it's a blank, it won't mount. If it is a data CD, then 'ls' it. |
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| 21:46.41 | cafuego | There's no clean or non-clean about it. |
| 21:46.56 | Blissex | Luas: http://www.mail-archive.com/xfree86@xfree86.org/msg18135.html |
| 21:47.02 | ohmy | LSorensen, only as S5 and S6 which are put to sleep using 'once' |
| 21:47.05 | LSorensen | cafuego: assuming his dns server is in charge of that block |
| 21:47.05 | karsten | @comfort abrotman |
| 21:47.06 | Luas | Blissex: reading |
| 21:47.08 | ravenbird | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:47.13 | Rawplayer | i mean the hostname what you see with dig -x |
| 21:47.15 | abrotman | karsten: it's not that bad ... |
| 21:47.16 | plasmatic | sorry for asking this twice: how can i set mysql to boot at the system startup. (if you don't know please say so) |
| 21:47.20 | karsten | abrotman: ;-) |
| 21:47.33 | abrotman | karsten: there are worse things in my office i could be doing |
| 21:47.34 | Rawplayer | erm... the PTR record i mean |
| 21:47.34 | LSorensen | ohmy: which driver did you compile in to run that card? |
| 21:47.45 | cafuego | Rawplayer: yes. Normal reverse zone. Unless you control the domain server for that netblock, you're not going to be changing that. |
| 21:47.49 | paulswm | keko_: in that case, gunzip it, then 'unzip' the resulting .zip file |
| 21:47.55 | Blissex | Luas: that article points to this one: http://www.winischhofer.at/sisforum/viewtopic.php?t=29 |
| 21:48.02 | Rawplayer | yes cafuego i'am |
| 21:48.17 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Well, edit the zone then. Add in a different name. |
| 21:48.42 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Be sure to also fix up the normal entry, so they match. Add an alais for ipc111e1d6 if need be. |
| 21:48.46 | werdna | I am using K3b and it does not show it as being able to use for a device |
| 21:49.10 | Rawplayer | ok back to my question again, what is a normal name? just ip in hex and then ipinhex.domain.name? |
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| 21:49.27 | LSorensen | ohmy: what pci id does that card have? |
| 21:49.47 | ohmy | LSorensen, I did compile all multiport drives including the one for 8 ports |
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| 21:50.05 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Anything containing alphanumeric characters and/or a '-'. |
| 21:50.15 | Rawplayer | ok |
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| 21:50.40 | cafuego | myhostnameiswaylongerthanyours-haha.domain.com is valid. |
| 21:50.44 | Rawplayer | well you see some people with lame spamhosts if you know what i mean like "o.dear.iam.so.cool.domainname.org" |
| 21:50.52 | LSorensen | ohmy: which kernel version? |
| 21:50.53 | paulswm | Funny |
| 21:50.57 | ohmy | LSorensen, the pci id would be what exactly if I do a lspci? |
| 21:51.11 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Yes, That's technically a subdomain... but they justs et it up as a hostname with dots in it. |
| 21:51.13 | ohmy | 2.6.10 |
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| 21:51.17 | Ryushin | join #postfix |
| 21:51.24 | Blissex | Luas: if the theory that the two cards map their BIOS at the same addresses is true, there is not much that you can do... |
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| 21:51.35 | Ryushin | oops. :) |
| 21:51.52 | Luas | Blissex: I don't know if this info will help, but it works under Windows :( |
| 21:52.15 | ohmy | LSorensen, kernel ver 2.6.10 |
| 21:52.16 | cafuego | Rawplayer: In that case you just treat 'o.dear.iam.so.cool' as the hostname. Works exactly the same way. |
| 21:52.21 | Luas | Blissex: That's the way I know that the bios config and cards are correctly configured |
| 21:52.22 | Blissex | Luas: things you might want to try: move the PCI slot of one of the cards, check if they have a jumper for BIOS address, use 'isapnp' to configure them for different addresses. |
| 21:52.41 | Rawplayer | that was just a example |
| 21:52.43 | ohmy | LSorensen, so do you have a multiport card too? |
| 21:53.18 | Blissex | Luas: the other thing is to change the BIOS setting which selects which card is primary. |
| 21:53.40 | ohmy | LSorensen, here is my inittab setting |
| 21:53.44 | ohmy | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 21:53.44 | ohmy | #T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100 |
| 21:53.44 | ohmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.44 | ohmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.44 | ohmy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.04 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 21:54.20 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Here, for example, I use 192.168.10.XXX and the hostnames it assigns are dhcp-XXCX.domain.com |
| 21:54.21 | Luas | Blissex: the sis has to be primary. I also tried the other way, but then the sis won't work at all (as far i can remember) |
| 21:54.43 | Rawplayer | yes i have that to |
| 21:54.44 | Nwallins | i need libgtk1.2 should i install that package or libgtk1.2-common? |
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| 21:54.50 | Rawplayer | i have set that up for my lan |
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| 21:54.56 | cafuego | Rawplayer: That zone is nice and easy to generate with 'echo' and 'seq' as well. |
| 21:54.57 | Rawplayer | to fool around with it localy |
| 21:55.04 | Luas | Blissex: Sis tells in its FAQs and Forums to do so in order to get dual head work |
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| 21:55.23 | Blissex | Luas: are both the SIS and NVIDIA cards AGP cards? |
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| 21:55.54 | Luas | Blissex: Of course not: NVIDIA is AGP (PCI 1:0:0) and SIS is PCI (PCI 0:17:0) |
| 21:56.03 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Then on the other network, all hostnames are alcoholic beverages (whiskey, vodka, shiraz, cabernet, tequila...) |
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| 21:56.21 | Ryushin | Anyone know where I can finde openoffice.org nightly builds debs or pre 2.0 debs? |
| 21:56.23 | Luas | Blissex: I don't know of any mainboard with two AGP slots :D |
| 21:56.24 | ohmy | LSorensen, lost contact after that...but I am back now |
| 21:56.44 | Rawplayer | ok |
| 21:56.46 | ohmy | LSorensen, do you also have a multiport card too? |
| 21:56.53 | Rawplayer | i think i know enough know to solve it |
| 21:56.55 | Blissex | Luas: I am asking whether they are _physically_ on the AGP bus, not whether they have PCI IDs... |
| 21:56.59 | Rawplayer | thanks |
| 21:57.12 | magnus_ | there are those motherboards with dual PCI express 16x slots though |
| 21:57.18 | Blissex | Luas: many cards have 2 AGP devices, even if they have only 2 AGP slots. |
| 21:57.26 | Blissex | Luas: many cards have 2 AGP devices, even if they have only ONE AGP slot. |
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| 21:57.51 | Luas | Blissex: I do not have any idea how should i have done that. The Sis is a PCI device, at least that is what i think |
| 21:57.54 | Blissex | Luas: it is perfectly legal but a bit risky to have an onboard AGP chip, and an AGP card in an AGP slot... |
| 21:57.54 | LSorensen | ohmy: nope, I was just trying to find which driver mentions the card. looks like 8250_pci |
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| 21:58.06 | LSorensen | ohmy: so at least pci serial support must be compiled in |
| 21:58.14 | LSorensen | ohmy: using 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:58.22 | Blissex | Luas: that is, does you motherboard have onboard chips? |
| 21:58.26 | BrutusLinux | I'm running sarge...how do I change from xdm to gdm? |
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| 21:58.35 | ohmy | LSorensen, here is one line in lspci |
| 21:58.37 | ohmy | 00:01:01.1 Serial controller: Titan Electronics Inc VScom 400HF1 4 port serial |
| 21:58.45 | Blissex | Luas: it does not look like admittedly from the IDs... |
| 21:58.53 | LSorensen | ohmy: what about: lspci -n |grep 01:01 |
| 21:58.57 | Luas | Blissex: onboard graphic chip? I don't think so. It is an Abit KA7 |
| 21:58.57 | ohmy | LSorensen, 2.6 kernel |
| 21:59.17 | ohmy | LSorensen, ok,,just sec.. |
| 21:59.34 | Blissex | Luas: OK, no onboard on that one IITV. |
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| 21:59.38 | kyncani | Hi, i'm having trouble with this eth1394 module that's always taking the eth0 interface. I want another module (via_rhine) to handle eth0 and leave eth1 to eth1394. I think it's some magic in /etc/modprobe.d/ but i can't find any doc on the subject .. anybody ? |
| 21:59.39 | Blissex | Luas: OK, no onboard on that one IIRC |
| 21:59.39 | modeman | BrutusLinux: apt-get install gdm |
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| 21:59.55 | modeman | BrutusLinux: but why not stick with xdm ? |
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| 21:59.56 | ohmy | LSorensen, here you go |
| 21:59.57 | ohmy | 0000:01:01.0 0700: 14d2:a003 |
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| 22:00.09 | BrutusLinux | change themes with gdm |
| 22:00.11 | ohmy | 0000:01:01.1 0700: 14d2:a004 |
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| 22:00.24 | BrutusLinux | gdm is installed |
| 22:00.25 | ohmy | LSorensen, theres the other line it gave me |
| 22:00.25 | LSorensen | ohmy: ok, let me look for that |
| 22:00.36 | Blissex | Luas: i have just done an extensive search and there dont seem to be many solutions, but looking at the XFree86 sources that happens only in the 'int10' module. I remember something funny about it. Perhaps invoking it twice does not help a lot. Ill have a look. |
| 22:00.38 | modeman | BrutusLinux: right, i changed for that reason as well |
| 22:00.53 | ohmy | LSorensen, ok.. |
| 22:01.19 | modeman | BrutusLinux: i did apt-get remove cdm first |
| 22:01.24 | Blissex | Luas: other thing to try: tell your BIOS the OS is not PnP, and tell the kernel not to setup PNP itself (it is one of the 'pci=...' kernel boot options). |
| 22:01.26 | BrutusLinux | modeman: how do I change it...I have it installed on the system |
| 22:01.30 | BrutusLinux | ok |
| 22:01.32 | modeman | BrutusLinux: worked great |
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| 22:01.54 | BrutusLinux | cdm or xdm? |
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| 22:01.59 | LSorensen | ohmy: well it does appear to be listed as a support pci serial. |
| 22:02.13 | ohmy | LSorensen, ok..thats good news |
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| 22:02.30 | Luas | Blissex: I'll note it, but i don't think i can do it today... |
| 22:02.46 | modeman | BrutusLinux: uninstalled xdm installed xdm i think lol |
| 22:02.59 | ohmy | LSorensen, that was a nice command you gave me for pci checking:) |
| 22:03.10 | modeman | BrutusLinux: BrutusLinux i;m on crack today. forgive me |
| 22:03.25 | modeman | BrutusLinux: i uninstalled XDM installed GDM |
| 22:03.40 | ohmy | LSorensen, whats strange is stty < /dev/ttySx works fine so it is seeing the ports |
| 22:03.41 | Blissex | Luas: now wait while I have a look for the 'int10' module pecularities... |
| 22:03.48 | EzoNaan | apt-get -f install tried to update libc6 but I dont want it to do that, how can i make it not update? |
| 22:04.05 | ohmy | LSorensen, it just is having problem keeping the speed at 38400 set in inittab |
| 22:04.15 | EzoNaan | *tries |
| 22:04.17 | modeman | anyone use perl that could point to a good noob site? |
| 22:04.26 | LSorensen | ohmy: whatever should that stty command do? |
| 22:04.49 | ohmy | LSorensen, It shows the baud rate among other things |
| 22:04.54 | mrhemlock | modeman, start with the faqs |
| 22:05.10 | modeman | mrhemlock: gracias |
| 22:05.14 | LSorensen | ohmy: I always use stty -F /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 22:05.24 | LSorensen | ohmy: works for both reading and setting |
| 22:05.34 | LSorensen | ohmy: does it work for 0 through 8? |
| 22:05.45 | ohmy | LSorensen, I had a script to set the addresses of each port called serial which I put in /home/user/.kde/Autostart but that didn't work |
| 22:06.00 | LSorensen | ohmy: what do you need to set? |
| 22:06.12 | LSorensen | ohmy: pci should simply detect them and they should just work |
| 22:06.28 | modeman | lol who is jethro |
| 22:06.45 | ohmy | LSorensen, yes 0-8 seem ok but still cant login to port with wyse60 terminal (a ral beast!) |
| 22:07.17 | LSorensen | ohmy: hmm. what if you just set it to 9600 in inittab, then do telinit q to update it |
| 22:07.48 | herodes | hda1 is boot partition. when linux boot, i am said this-->"fsck.ext2: bad magic number in superblock while trying to open /dev/hda1. The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. if the device is valid adn it really contaisn an ext2 fs, then the superblock os corrupt and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock : e2fsck -b 8183 <device>" |
| 22:07.49 | ohmy | LSorensen, I need for them to be detected.. they must not be working even though stty shows they do have 9600 speed |
| 22:07.49 | LSorensen | ohmy: or remove one of them from inittab, point minicom at it, set it to the speed you want and make sure you can type back and forth between them before messing with inittab |
| 22:08.20 | herodes | any help please? |
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| 22:09.15 | deadcat | X fixed on sid? |
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| 22:09.26 | ohmy | LSorensen, I have tried that then I put my serial script in another area someone told me is a startup and that is /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 22:09.49 | LSorensen | ohmy: can you talk between the wyse and minicom? |
| 22:09.50 | Blissex | Luas: also try to add this to the either the SIS or NVIDIA 'Device' sections: Option "NoInt10" |
| 22:10.05 | ohmy | LSorensen, minicom..hmmm...well I nver played with that much but I could try |
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| 22:10.20 | LSorensen | ohmy: until you can, I wouldn't epxcet anything else to work |
| 22:10.24 | Luas | Blissex: Ok, i can try this now |
| 22:10.32 | LSorensen | ohmy: it is the simplest way to test cables and ports working since it works. |
| 22:10.43 | ohmy | LSorensen, is it hard to get minicom going? |
| 22:10.49 | LSorensen | ohmy: no |
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| 22:10.59 | ohmy | LSorensen, ok |
| 22:11.10 | LSorensen | ohmy: apt-get install minicom, minicom -s , pick right /dev/ttySx entry and settings, save as default, then restart minicom |
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| 22:11.43 | EzoNaan | Blissex, Is there any chance that you know how i can make apt-get -f install NOT upgrade libc6? |
| 22:11.47 | ohmy | LSorensen, also I have LED ligths that show the entire 8 port card is working but to get the speeds I do need what you are saying |
| 22:11.51 | Blissex | Luas: http://www.vlug.org/pipermail/discuss/2001-December/002287.html |
| 22:12.01 | LSorensen | EzoNaan: if it wants to update it, then i t NEEDS to be updated |
| 22:12.06 | Blissex | EzoNaan: as a rule, dont address questions to specific people. |
| 22:12.23 | ohmy | LSorensen, ok let me try....you going to be here a liitle bit?? |
| 22:12.25 | LSorensen | ohmy: well lights mean the hardware is working, not that the drivers are working |
| 22:12.30 | LSorensen | ohmy: probably |
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| 22:12.40 | ohmy | LSorensen, I agree:) |
| 22:12.41 | vs_zach | hey guys |
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| 22:12.43 | EzoNaan | Blissex, I'm sorry. |
| 22:13.00 | ohmy | LSorensen, Thanks and let me see about this:) |
| 22:13.05 | EzoNaan | LSorensen, It fails when it tries to update :/ |
| 22:13.27 | tatoo | i under a NT network. i configured my smb.conf but i don't have access for a certain directory that i usually access my user. how can i fix that w/ samba?? |
| 22:13.28 | Luas | Blissex: i have uploaded a new Log, it sounds promising |
| 22:13.46 | vs_zach | i have a SATA hard drive with RAID and i need to know where i can download the drivers when i am installing |
| 22:13.57 | Blissex | Luas: http://www.xfree86.org/current/XF86Config.5.html and look at the 'NoInt10' and 'BiosLocation' options |
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| 22:14.34 | LSorensen | EzoNaan: so use dpkg -i on the previous version's .deb then |
| 22:14.37 | tatoo | BTW, a message w/ "you don't have permission necessary to view the contents of...." shows me up. |
| 22:14.49 | EzoNaan | LSorensen, okay, thanks |
| 22:14.52 | LSorensen | vs_zach: ignore the proprietary software raid, and use it as an sata controller |
| 22:15.05 | vs_zach | how |
| 22:15.28 | chealer | deadcat: check the BTS |
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| 22:15.37 | LSorensen | vs_zach: which controller is it? |
| 22:15.47 | vs_zach | no idea |
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| 22:16.09 | LSorensen | vs_zach: well then you will get nowhere with linux. figure out what your hardware is (lspci is handy as is cat /proc/pci |
| 22:16.22 | vs_zach | shut up |
| 22:16.23 | LSorensen | vs_zach: is it on a motherboard, an add in card? |
| 22:16.30 | vs_zach | mobo |
| 22:16.58 | LSorensen | vs_zach: do you have the installer running right now? |
| 22:17.04 | vs_zach | no |
| 22:17.11 | LSorensen | vs_zach: do you have linux running? |
| 22:17.20 | vs_zach | no |
| 22:17.21 | vs_zach | not now |
| 22:17.32 | Blissex | Luas: put both drivers as 'vesa' and remove the 'noint10' from the second card config, perhaps one needs to be there. |
| 22:18.04 | LSorensen | vs_zach: well if you have the installer running, go to console two (using alt+F2) then cat /proc/pci and see what it shows for mass storage controller or something similar. You will likely see promise or highpoint or something. write down what it says and maybe someone can tell you if it is supported or not |
| 22:18.14 | LSorensen | vs_zach: could be Sil too |
| 22:18.20 | Luas | Blissex: should i remove the noint10 from the primary or the secondary card? |
| 22:18.40 | abrotman | that sil guy never returned. . guess i scared him off |
| 22:18.45 | LSorensen | vs_zach: My MB uses an Sil3112 which I just went into the bios, turned off raid, and linux sees it (well 2.6 and 2.4.26 kernels do, so installing sarge is fine, woody will never happen) |
| 22:18.50 | vs_zach | yea |
| 22:18.56 | vs_zach | its Sil i think |
| 22:19.02 | vs_zach | FOXCONN |
| 22:19.15 | LSorensen | vs_zach: any other OS on the machine? |
| 22:19.26 | LSorensen | vs_zach: and how many SATA drives are connected to it? |
| 22:19.43 | vs_zach | yes |
| 22:19.53 | vs_zach | 1 drive |
| 22:19.59 | Blissex | Luas: the secondary, which is he NVIDIA |
| 22:20.05 | Blissex | Luas: but you can tryu both. |
| 22:20.08 | Luas | Blissex: IT WORKED! :D |
| 22:20.30 | vs_zach | i have 1 hard drive on my mobo and win XP on it |
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| 22:20.31 | LSorensen | vs_zach: so it isn't as if raid would do anything useful. you just want sata working. |
| 22:20.37 | vs_zach | yes |
| 22:20.37 | LSorensen | vs_zach: which debian version did you try to install? |
| 22:20.47 | Luas | Blissex: At least it is showing the desktop in the primary, and initialized the secondary device |
| 22:20.57 | vs_zach | sarge |
| 22:21.00 | Blissex | Luas: yes, that's amusing. as one doc said the first X driver should initialize all cards, and the 'int10' module is only needed to initialize the others if the first does not. |
| 22:21.05 | LSorensen | vs_zach: hmm, with 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:21.22 | vs_zach | 2.6 |
| 22:21.28 | Blissex | Luas: also, try using a 2.4.x kernel, they probably handle PCI BIOS mappings better. |
| 22:21.36 | LSorensen | vs_zach: unfortunately, if it's an Sil3114 and not a 3112, I don't think there is a free driver yet |
| 22:21.45 | jg12345 | Any one know any thing about ndiswrapper? |
| 22:21.50 | Luas | Blissex: OK, then 1 second to relax, and then I'll have to configure it and try it working :D :D :D Thanks a lot! |
| 22:21.52 | vs_zach | how do i know what it is |
| 22:22.01 | LSorensen | jg12345: I know it exists and that some people use it to run windows drivers on linux |
| 22:22.02 | paulswm | !anyone |
| 22:22.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:22.19 | LSorensen | vs_zach: the pci id will tell you, which cat /proc/pci from console two during the install can tell you |
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| 22:22.57 | paulswm | jg12345: I use ndiswrapper for a Linksys WPC54GS |
| 22:23.01 | Blissex | Luas: I have listed here some nice sample dual head XF86Configs, you might want to have a look for inspiration: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/X11/ |
| 22:23.06 | vs_zach | ok |
| 22:23.12 | LSorensen | vs_zach: well at least 2.6.9 actually appears to have some support for the 3114, so I guess there is hope for it |
| 22:23.23 | LSorensen | vs_zach: just not in raid mode |
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| 22:23.31 | vs_zach | do |
| 22:23.33 | vs_zach | dp |
| 22:23.35 | vs_zach | so* |
| 22:23.43 | LSorensen | not that proprietary software raid is something I would want to use personally |
| 22:23.51 | vs_zach | i have to wait? |
| 22:23.59 | vs_zach | till 2.6.9 comes out? |
| 22:24.22 | LSorensen | vs_zach: 2.6.10 is out. but the sarge installer uses 2.6.8. let me see if it has 3114 support or not |
| 22:24.41 | grigora | i have a RAID1 array which has 3 active devices, I would like to change one of the active devices to be a spare drive, how can I do this? thanks |
| 22:24.53 | LSorensen | vs_zach: nope. |
| 22:25.10 | jg12345 | I am the proud new owner of a Dell laptop and it came with a broadcom(m) 802.11b/g wireless nic. I successfully made ndiswrapper and installed the windows driver, every thing went ok, then when I try to run modprobe ndiswrapper I get a bunch of unresolved symbol messages. I'm running Sarge with a 2.4.27-1-386 kernel |
| 22:25.30 | LSorensen | vs_zach: that was added in 2.6.9, so the sarge installer won't support 3114. Maybe you can find a copy of the installer with 2.6.10 since some people have needed 2.6.10 for similar reasons |
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| 22:25.52 | gilles | how to have one's web page known by google ? |
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| 22:26.45 | LSorensen | vs_zach: so if you have a 3114 Sil, you can't install to sata, if it's 3112 it should work. I suspect you have a 3114 then |
| 22:26.56 | Empty | gilles, get linked at other sites and google will find it eventually... You don't want to *try* to get googled bbecause their software can detect that and penalize you for it |
| 22:27.00 | simonrvn | @lart aol proxies |
| 22:27.03 | jg12345 | lspci lists the card as a BCM4306 |
| 22:27.16 | Empty | gilles, that said, this is not the right channel for that question at all |
| 22:27.21 | LSorensen | vs_zach: so if you had room to install to a normal ide driver first, then you could upgrade kernel and copy over to the sata and it would work, but direct install requires a new installer unfortunately (assuming it is a 3114) |
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| 22:27.26 | paulswm | jg12345: post the single line which 'lspci' gives you for your wireless card, it probably is described as "Network controller" |
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| 22:27.52 | paulswm | jg12345: forget it, I see you've already answered the question |
| 22:28.12 | rilat | jg12345: is it supported under linux? |
| 22:28.28 | paulswm | jg12345: I'm using the same chip under ndiswrapper |
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| 22:28.33 | jg12345 | 0000:02:02.0 Network Controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.22b/g Wireless LAN controller (rev o3) |
| 22:28.46 | paulswm | jg12345: Mine's exactly the same |
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| 22:29.00 | ninHer | hi |
| 22:29.15 | rilat | jg12345: sorry i thought it was not... |
| 22:29.20 | ninHer | i need some sid sources to grab |
| 22:29.23 | ninHer | any help? |
| 22:29.29 | paulswm | jg12345: I'm running a 2.6.10 kernel though |
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| 22:29.55 | siimo | hi anyone know of an easy to configure/use commandline email client that will work over ssh |
| 22:30.04 | LSorensen | vs_zach: perhaps this could be of help: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 22:30.11 | jethro | siimo: mutt |
| 22:30.33 | siimo | ty |
| 22:30.39 | LSorensen | siimo: mutt is what I use for all my email |
| 22:30.41 | jg12345 | A buddy of mine had trouble getting ndiswrappers to work, he couldn't remember what was causing it not to work. I've tried several diffrent versions of ndiswrapper |
| 22:31.11 | paulswm | jg12345: You installed lsbcmnds, right |
| 22:31.15 | ninHer | i need some sid sources to grab |
| 22:31.17 | ninHer | any help? |
| 22:31.31 | jim | ninHer: www.debian.org |
| 22:31.51 | ninHer | thanks....i was hoping any more direct link ;-) |
| 22:31.52 | jim | there's a mirror list somewhere around there |
| 22:32.02 | ninHer | thanks anyway jim |
| 22:32.03 | jg12345 | paulswm: no didn't know I had to. Where do I get it |
| 22:32.20 | jg12345 | and what is it? |
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| 22:32.42 | paulswm | jg12345: when you run (as root) 'ndiswrapper -l', what does it say |
| 22:32.44 | jim | ninHer: if you can't find the mirror list from -there-, you should consider whether you would enjoy running sid :) |
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| 22:33.23 | jim | when each little thing breaks will you be back here? |
| 22:33.40 | siimo | :-) 2.6.2 gtk2 has hit sarge |
| 22:34.00 | jg12345 | Installed ndis drivers: bcmwl5: Hardware present |
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| 22:34.26 | jg12345 | ls |
| 22:34.34 | jethro | . |
| 22:34.35 | jethro | .. |
| 22:34.41 | jg12345 | lol |
| 22:34.45 | grigora | does anyone know how to change the number of active drives in a RAID1 array? (md) |
| 22:34.48 | ninHer | ok jim you just convinced to me |
| 22:34.56 | ninHer | from now on i will run woody |
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| 22:35.05 | siimo | seems i already have mutt |
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| 22:35.12 | jethro | ninHer: go for sarge instead |
| 22:35.28 | ninHer | yeah, better jethro |
| 22:35.42 | paulswm | jg12345: that's prolly OK |
| 22:36.06 | jim | ninHer: sid can be cool because it has new stuff... but it's the one that breaks the fastest |
| 22:36.11 | siimo | if i leave the name testing instead of sarge will i be upgraded to the next testing distro automatically when sarge is out as stable ? |
| 22:36.21 | paulswm | jg12345: waht sort of unresolved symbol errors are you getting? |
| 22:36.22 | jethro | siimo: yes |
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| 22:37.03 | jg12345 | request_irq_Rsmp_0c60f2e0 |
| 22:37.04 | s-king | If I wanna use debian unstable, is the easiest way to do this by doing a minimal install of sarge first? |
| 22:37.20 | jethro | s-king: if you ask this, you don't want to run unstable |
| 22:37.36 | jg12345 | call_usermodehelper_Rsmp_84a291c8 |
| 22:37.50 | jim | ninHer: but when problems come up, it could be that no one knows about them yet; you're the first to find them EVEN among the developers |
| 22:38.01 | jethro | jim: he/she left :) |
| 22:38.05 | jg12345 | wirelesss send event |
| 22:38.08 | paulswm | jg12345: what version of ndiswrapper are you using and/or where did you get it\ |
| 22:38.16 | jim | oh, didn't notice |
| 22:38.33 | jg12345 | sourceforge , ver .1 |
| 22:38.37 | jg12345 | sourceforge , ver .10 |
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| 22:39.04 | paulswm | jg12345: there is a version 1.o there, that's what I'm using |
| 22:39.07 | paulswm | 1.0 |
| 22:39.13 | jg12345 | I've tried .10, .11, .12, and 1.0. All with the same response |
| 22:39.30 | paulswm | jg12345: well 1.0 is the one to go with I discovered |
| 22:39.30 | jg12345 | Let me try to reinstall 1.0 and see what happesn |
| 22:39.50 | paulswm | jg12345: did you compile your own kernel |
| 22:40.04 | engelsen | where do I set static ip adress? |
| 22:40.17 | karsten | Any suggestions for fdformat errors? |
| 22:40.18 | paulswm | engelsen: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:40.19 | karsten | Verifying ... Read: : Input/output error |
| 22:40.19 | karsten | Problem reading cylinder 50, expected 18432, read -1 |
| 22:40.40 | karsten | engelsen: sample config file at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 22:41.26 | siimo | hi where is the pine email client package? i cannot find it |
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| 22:41.30 | paulswm | karsten: format it under windows or try another floppy? |
| 22:41.35 | asg | siimo: /msg dpkg pine |
| 22:42.01 | siimo | ah its non-free |
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| 22:42.08 | karsten | paulswm: Looks like a bad batch, 2 of 10 so far |
| 22:42.12 | jg12345 | No using the stock 2.4.27 |
| 22:42.54 | asg | karsten: or a spider crawled in your floppy and has passed on |
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| 22:43.14 | axiom242 | it seems that someone last night managed to run some shell scripts thru the web as the user nobody. I think this was because of phpBB. Anyhow, are there any monitoring tools out there to notify me of these things? Currently I have a Perl daemon that greps ps auxww for nobody and "sh". |
| 22:43.17 | asg | abrotman: later |
| 22:43.21 | abrotman | later! |
| 22:43.22 | paulswm | jg12345: I made a mistake with my version - I'm using stock 2.6.8-2-686 kernel, ndiswrapper 1.0, and it all works fine |
| 22:43.40 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 22:43.40 | karsten | asg: two seperate drives, but yeah, there's a lot of arachnids in the house |
| 22:43.43 | abrotman | !beer karsten |
| 22:43.45 | abrotman | just cause :) |
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| 22:43.53 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 22:45.13 | dippo | anyone know if it's possible to auto-run a script/program on mounting a drive? (say, with autofs) |
| 22:45.26 | paulswm | Lot of alligators by my house, luckily they are easy to spot on floppies |
| 22:45.52 | asg | paulswm: yum |
| 22:45.57 | karsten | paulswm: Um Yeah... |
| 22:46.37 | paulswm | asg: you like 'gator meat? |
| 22:46.37 | asg | dippo: I'm not aware of a way though I don't expect it would be too hard (if you know C) to hack such functionality into autofs |
| 22:46.37 | karsten | paulswm: Wasn't there a movie about that a while ago? |
| 22:46.38 | asg | paulswm: I've had it and it was tasty. |
| 22:46.48 | karsten | paulswm: ... Crocodile Floppee? |
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| 22:46.49 | paulswm | asg: Yes, I thought so too. |
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| 22:47.05 | paulswm | karsten: Very, very good |
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| 22:47.17 | asg | paulswm: sadly, today's farewall to the boss lunch consisted of turkey and roast beef. |
| 22:47.31 | nicholsc | how do i stop the boot process so that i load into the terminal rather than the gnome login screen |
| 22:47.41 | asg | nicholsc: boot with -s |
| 22:47.48 | nicholsc | so Linux -s |
| 22:47.50 | asg | nicholsc: then /msg dpkg nodm for the rest |
| 22:47.51 | karsten | paulswm: "Thaht's not a drive. *This* is a drive..." |
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| 22:48.18 | paulswm | .me notices karsten's on a roll |
| 22:48.26 | paulswm | well /me |
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| 22:49.07 | asg | paulswm: /you ? |
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| 22:49.29 | merlin_ | I have someone asking if debian has a package, like audit on audit on netbsd, which tells you which vulnerable packages you have on your system (i.e. not up to date with DSAs) |
| 22:49.34 | paulswm | asg: /me |
| 22:49.38 | asg | paulswm: heh |
| 22:49.42 | paulswm | :D |
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| 22:50.07 | karsten | merlin_: apt-get update; aptitude -dy dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:50.19 | dippo | i think hotplug can do what i want, actually |
| 22:50.22 | dippo | re: autorunning |
| 22:50.29 | dippo | anyone know how to tell if you have USB 2.0 or not |
| 22:50.31 | paulswm | I've been dying to tell a joke but it's been too busy here and I didn't want to clog the channel, and now abrotman tells me it's from some movie anyway :( |
| 22:50.35 | karsten | merlin_: ...actually, there's options to aptitude and/or apt-get which will show you packages which can be upgraded. |
| 22:50.37 | dippo | aside from "try to copy something and if it's slow as balls, you don't" |
| 22:50.39 | merlin_ | karsten: this isn't what I asked for :) / I don't want to upgrade all my packages |
| 22:51.01 | merlin_ | karsten: I just want to be notified if smoe of the out of date ones have been listed in a DSA |
| 22:51.05 | karsten | merlin_: What I said after. |
| 22:51.12 | asg | merlin_: check the 'harden-doc' package, I think it mentions such a utility or script but I can't remember offhand which it is. |
| 22:51.28 | Haukkari | Any idea why a normal user is not authorized to run the X server on debian sarge and how to fix this? |
| 22:51.37 | asg | merlin_: if not, a simple subscription to d-s-a + some simple procmail scripting will fit the bill |
| 22:51.43 | plasmatic | I tried to install an application, it failed. I then tried to install another application, it it starts trying to install the application that failed, and it fails. I then try doing apt-get uninstall and it says 'invalid operation uninstall'. How could i fix this? |
| 22:51.49 | karsten | merlin_: If you're on stable, only packages with security or bugfix updates will be updated. |
| 22:52.05 | karsten | merlin_: ...if you're on testing/unstable, you should be updating pretty often anyway. |
| 22:52.11 | karsten | !tell paulswm about askjoke |
| 22:52.12 | merlin_ | karsten: so I'd have to get the output and parse that against DSAs, not great but doable / asg: I'll look at harden-doc, thanks / karsten: I'll be on testing/usntable |
| 22:52.14 | asg | plasmatic: apt-get remove --purge <bad package> |
| 22:52.34 | karsten | merlin_: DSA == ?? |
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| 22:52.41 | werdna_ | !topic |
| 22:52.44 | asg | plasmatic: if that doesn't work, you'll have to do a little hacking of the pre/post inst/rm scripts. |
| 22:52.45 | paulswm | plasmatic: if you read the apt-get manpage, you'll see that the command is 'remove' |
| 22:52.45 | merlin_ | karsten: and no, I will only be updating on a per need basis / DSA debian security announce |
| 22:53.00 | Netcraft_ | good night |
| 22:53.06 | karsten | merlin_: *only* packages with security/bugfix issues will be updated in stable. |
| 22:53.16 | karsten | merlin_: That's the definition of stable. |
| 22:53.20 | Haukkari | Anyone know how to permit a normal user to run "startx" and such? |
| 22:53.36 | merlin_ | karsten: I understand, I just won't be running stable |
| 22:53.41 | karsten | merlin_: Otherwise, no, I'm not aware of an audit type facility, but it's pretty much redundant. |
| 22:53.47 | karsten | Haukkari: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 22:53.50 | jg12345 | paulswm: i just d/led and compiled, installed ver. 0.12 (1.0 didn't build for some reason) and I'm getting the same thing |
| 22:53.53 | asg | Haukkari: edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config and add 'allow_users=console' |
| 22:53.55 | plasmatic | asg: i tried that too, and it gives me the same error that i get when i try to install something else |
| 22:53.58 | paulswm | Haukkari: you could give them sudo on that one command |
| 22:54.03 | asg | plasmatic: are you running unstable? |
| 22:54.17 | asg | paulswm: noooooo, never run X as root |
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| 22:54.23 | karsten | Haukkari: ...and what asg says. IIRC you configure that through xserver-common, though I could be wrong. |
| 22:54.25 | plasmatic | asg: i don't think so... |
| 22:54.32 | karsten | paulswm: No. Then you're running X as root. |
| 22:54.34 | Haukkari | ok. Thanks guys. :) |
| 22:54.38 | paulswm | jg12345: I don't know then I'm using a different kernel and I found that 0.12 didn't work for me |
| 22:54.45 | plasmatic | asg: also it says to try apt-get -f install, but that doesn't work |
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| 22:55.07 | asg | plasmatic: does egrep 'unstable|sid' /etc/apt/sources.list' return results ? |
| 22:55.11 | paulswm | karsten: you are right, Haukkari please ignore what I said, it is a very bad idea |
| 22:55.16 | Haukkari | ok. |
| 22:55.17 | Haukkari | :) |
| 22:55.49 | paulswm | asg, karsten sorry guys, wasn't thinking |
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| 22:56.04 | asg | karsten: they are good for one thing these days; throwing at vendors. |
| 22:56.06 | plasmatic | asg: yes |
| 22:56.09 | asg | paulswm: :) no worries |
| 22:56.19 | Haukkari | Oh, ok, only one nagging thing, fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'. I've had this before but can't remember how to redeem this. |
| 22:56.30 | karsten | paulswm: I'll admit to trying to get by on as little of that as possible. |
| 22:56.46 | paulswm | Guyzmo: "Would you like to dance?" |
| 22:56.46 | paulswm | Girl: "I don't care for this song and surely wouldn't dance with you." |
| 22:56.46 | paulswm | Guyzmo: "I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood me, I said you look fat in those pants" |
| 22:56.59 | plasmatic | asg: yes it did return results |
| 22:57.02 | paulswm | zmo??? |
| 22:57.06 | paulswm | sorry |
| 22:57.07 | asg | plasmatic: then you are running unstable. 1) /msg dpkg bts (check for bugs on the package). 2) /msg dpkg sid faq. 3) come back (if 1 doesn't provide a fix) and someone will, after some larting, tell you how to fix the post/pre inst/rm script for the bad package so it uninstalls cleanly.) |
| 22:57.35 | asg | s/fix\)/fix/ |
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| 22:59.43 | paulswm | @test |
| 22:59.48 | mops_ | I dont know why I have mounted this /dev/shm - tempfs |
| 22:59.55 | mops_ | what is the meaning of that? |
| 23:00.06 | mops_ | and why it is there please? |
| 23:00.07 | n3o_X | hmm i apt-get install php4 - is the cli automaticly built with mysql functions? |
| 23:00.12 | Haukkari | Could not open default font 'fixed'. What package to install to repair this? :/ |
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| 23:01.41 | werdna_ | how do I switch through channels on irssi? |
| 23:01.50 | cat | alt number |
| 23:02.07 | mops_ | werdna_: and join to channel: /j #channel |
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| 23:02.26 | JosephSpiros | exim4 or postfix: which do you use? |
| 23:02.41 | paulswm | mops_: Its for POSIX shared memory, if any of your programs need shared memory objects they use that filesystem, it should be OK to leave it alone and not worry about it |
| 23:03.12 | mops_ | paulswm: thx, so it is for IPC mechanims - shared memory, ok |
| 23:03.16 | mops_ | good to know |
| 23:03.29 | tyranix | werdna_: or /window next |
| 23:03.31 | mops_ | and what about you? do you have that also mounted? |
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| 23:03.34 | paulswm | mops_: yw |
| 23:03.45 | quittt | good bye all you people... there is nothing you can say to make my change my mind... good bye... |
| 23:03.47 | mops_ | so it is common, ok |
| 23:03.53 | kethinov | anyone know the packages i remove to completely remove X and all its deps? |
| 23:03.57 | mops_ | quittt: goodbye! |
| 23:04.19 | mops_ | kethinov: apt-get --purge remove x-window-system |
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| 23:04.26 | mops_ | I ONLY think |
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| 23:04.40 | valdyn_ | mops_: not really, that removes only one single meta-package |
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| 23:04.54 | valdyn_ | !remove x |
| 23:04.55 | dpkg | well, remove xf4 is apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common (or ask me about "install xf4") |
| 23:05.03 | xai | anyone had luck getting ICH6 raid to work? |
| 23:05.04 | mops_ | valdyn_: but other X clients are dependend on that or no? |
| 23:05.11 | [bono] | Question: many tutorials show xml documents examples in gray boxes... what xml docbooks element makes the html xslt translators render such boxes? example: http://supportweb.cs.bham.ac.uk/documentation/tutorials/docsystem/build/tutorials/docbooksys/segmentedhtml/ch08s03.html |
| 23:05.29 | xai | I can't get it to recoginize.. Im compiling the 2.6.10 hoping that AHCI support will help. |
| 23:05.32 | mops_ | valdyn_: and dependency should remove also that depends on x-window-system |
| 23:05.34 | mops_ | or no? |
| 23:05.39 | plasmatic | asg: yay, it worked, thank you very much |
| 23:05.45 | asg | plasmatic: :) you're welcome |
| 23:05.47 | valdyn_ | mops_: nothing should depend on x-window-system |
| 23:05.54 | Blissex | [bono]: what makes you suspect that question is in any way related to #debian? |
| 23:06.10 | mops_ | valdyn_: I didnt know that, wait I will look at it dependecy |
| 23:06.29 | dondelelcaro | [bono]: especially when there is a #docbook channel |
| 23:06.34 | asg | [bono]: read the Definitive Docbook guide at oreilly.com/openbook (and the updated version at the docbook site for all the details.) |
| 23:06.44 | valdyn_ | mops_: vice versa - x-window-system has one purpose - to depend on all X packages, so you can install it easily |
| 23:06.49 | mops_ | valdyn_: U are right |
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| 23:06.59 | mops_ | Reverse Depends: |
| 23:06.59 | mops_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:07.09 | paulswm | *sigh* |
| 23:07.19 | jg12345 | lol |
| 23:07.24 | [bono] | asg: thanks |
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| 23:07.38 | dondelelcaro | mops_: read /topic and don't paste here |
| 23:07.44 | mops_ | SORRY for that flood! |
| 23:07.48 | asg | [bono]: you're welcome but do heed the advice to use #docbook for other info on the subject. |
| 23:07.49 | mops_ | very sorry! |
| 23:07.53 | jg12345 | that's what would happen to me if I posted my unreslved symbols.... |
| 23:07.53 | paulswm | !beat mops_ |
| 23:08.11 | mops_ | paulswm: sorry |
| 23:08.13 | asg | jg12345: yes, debhelper runs a tight ship |
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| 23:08.27 | paulswm | mops_: it's OK, many people make that mistake *once* :) |
| 23:08.30 | mops_ | so the reverse dependecies are practicaly nothing |
| 23:08.49 | jg12345 | I'm digging around the sourceforge help pages now. No one seems to have had this type of error or just gave up |
| 23:08.57 | [bono] | asg: #docbook is dead... |
| 23:09.11 | mops_ | paulswm: and how many lines I can paste, without being kicked? |
| 23:09.13 | werdna | there is a website http://www.psyorg.org/mixes and I want to download everything on the page of mixes. how do I do that? |
| 23:09.15 | asg | [bono]: ah, well check out the resources I mentioned, they should point you in the right direction |
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| 23:09.26 | [bono] | asg: will do |
| 23:09.27 | mops_ | wedna: try wget I think |
| 23:09.48 | paulswm | mops_: 4 without being kicked, but only one without being beaten up be the rest of us :) |
| 23:09.49 | valdyn_ | mops_: 4? don't do it though |
| 23:09.51 | mops_ | man wget, it has recursive mode |
| 23:09.57 | werdna | aight |
| 23:10.16 | mops_ | ok, ok |
| 23:10.48 | paulswm | mops_: and the bots like to slap people around :) |
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| 23:11.05 | mops_ | !beat paulswm |
| 23:11.09 | mops_ | :) |
| 23:11.13 | paulswm | @lart mops_ |
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| 23:11.23 | paulswm | :D |
| 23:11.28 | mops_ | paulswm: how can I get list of ! commands? |
| 23:11.49 | mops_ | how many bots are here? |
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| 23:12.34 | jg12345 | I'm gonna restart really quick. BRB |
| 23:12.59 | rw | I am trying to download the unstable iso of debian, but in this http site (http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/) has 14 iso's, what's is the diference between them? |
| 23:13.28 | mops_ | rw: I think that is all ONE complete distro :) |
| 23:13.38 | mops_ | such a VERY BIG one |
| 23:13.56 | rw | mops_, with 14 iso's? i don't think so. |
| 23:14.02 | mops_ | yes |
| 23:14.17 | mops_ | it is distro that is "LIVING" |
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| 23:14.23 | mops_ | read on www.debian.org |
| 23:14.31 | mops_ | I read something about it there |
| 23:14.39 | karsten | rw: Debian spans 14 CDROMs. |
| 23:14.41 | rw | i just want the basic to boot and install the rest through apt-get and internet. What's the best to do? |
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| 23:14.51 | rw | karsten, wow. |
| 23:14.53 | mops_ | rw: sarge netinstall |
| 23:14.54 | mattboll | rw: debian-installer |
| 23:14.58 | karsten | rw: The packages are arranged most to least frequently used. So the first ISO gets you most of what you need. |
| 23:14.59 | macondo | rw: if you have a fast connection use the net-installer, one cd 100MB |
| 23:15.05 | drac | !d-i rw |
| 23:15.05 | mops_ | wait I will give you link if I can find it |
| 23:15.06 | dpkg | rw, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:15.09 | karsten | rw: That said, a netinst is really the way to go. |
| 23:15.13 | mattboll | s/debian/net/ :) |
| 23:15.13 | paulswm | mops_: I think that there are three bots but I don;t know how to list their commands |
| 23:15.25 | guk | How do I change my mouse curser in XFree86 ? im sick of this whiteglass one and want the black one with the watch when it's busy |
| 23:15.30 | mops_ | paulswm: :( |
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| 23:15.31 | karsten | rw: There's ~17,500 packages total in unstable, not sure how many actually make the Sarge release. |
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| 23:15.42 | rw | good |
| 23:16.02 | mops_ | guk: my cursor was changed automatically after I've installed |
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| 23:16.06 | rw | base is enough right? |
| 23:16.06 | ravenbird | ROOOOT has landed! |
| 23:16.09 | mops_ | artwiz-cursor I think |
| 23:16.13 | karsten | rw: Recommended install these days is sarge netinst. |
| 23:16.16 | werdna | I did wget -c http://www.psytrip.org/mixes/ and it just give me a text of all the files I want to download. |
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| 23:16.22 | mops_ | guk: and I am satisfied with it |
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| 23:16.25 | werdna | what recurser should I look for? |
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| 23:16.36 | rw | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso <-- that's it? |
| 23:16.39 | wanderer_ | hi people |
| 23:16.42 | mops_ | werdna: wait I will look at it |
| 23:16.43 | karsten | rw: If you have network you don't need to install *all* packages ( you won't install 'em all). And it's only a ~50-100 MB d/l for the netinst image. |
| 23:16.50 | karsten | werdna: You a lawyer by any chance? |
| 23:16.59 | werdna | karsten: nope |
| 23:17.00 | paulswm | mops_: there's one of them, ravenbird watches out for root IRCers amongst other things |
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| 23:17.19 | wanderer_ | I want to upgrade a package. But I want to uninstall the old version, not to keep it. Which command should I use? |
| 23:17.24 | macondo | guk: man update-alternatives |
| 23:17.25 | karsten | werdna: OK. Know someone who uses that nick. |
| 23:17.41 | rw | 112MB |
| 23:17.47 | rw | net install of sarge. |
| 23:18.05 | mops_ | werdna: look at -r (--recursive) option of wget |
| 23:18.14 | karsten | rw: Yeah, that sounds about right. |
| 23:18.22 | mops_ | I think it is that U're looking foor |
| 23:18.32 | karsten | rw: That's the installer and a base set of packages. Run that and it will snarf the rest off the Net. |
| 23:18.51 | macondo | rw: if you write 'expert' at the prompt you'll have a choice of sarge, sid, and woody |
| 23:18.59 | mops_ | rw: karsten is right, I've installed my sarge through netinstall disk |
| 23:19.00 | rw | karsten, great. that's what i need :) |
| 23:19.10 | rw | macondo, i'll do it! thanks |
| 23:19.19 | wanderer_ | hey people. do you have any idea about this? "I want to upgrade a package. But I want to uninstall the old |
| 23:19.22 | wanderer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.22 | mops_ | rw: you're welcome :) |
| 23:19.44 | rw | it's been so many years upting through apt-get that i never tried those instalation methods anymore |
| 23:19.53 | mops_ | wanderer_: it is done automatically I think |
| 23:19.56 | win2 | Hi in there, where can I set the kernel panic reboot parameter at grub bootloader ? didnt find it |
| 23:19.56 | mops_ | use apt-get |
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| 23:20.20 | guk | macondo: okay ... and this update-alternatives fixes my mouse how ? |
| 23:20.38 | rw | thanks all, see ya later. |
| 23:20.40 | wanderer_ | but when I look at man apt-get it writes that apt-get upgrade does not deinstall the old vrsion |
| 23:20.43 | mops_ | rw: bye! |
| 23:20.54 | macondo | guk: it will give you a chouce of cursors |
| 23:21.08 | mops_ | wandrer_: so do it manually: |
| 23:21.13 | wanderer_ | how? |
| 23:21.17 | mops_ | apt-get --purge remove XYZ |
| 23:21.21 | mops_ | and after that |
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| 23:21.26 | mops_ | apt-get install XYZ |
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| 23:21.36 | macondo | guk: iirc is something like 'update-alternatives --config cursors |
| 23:21.42 | mops_ | that --purge option deletes ALL config file for pkg |
| 23:21.48 | mops_ | so use it with caution! |
| 23:22.27 | mops_ | wanderer_:but you must run also apt-get update- it will retrieve |
| 23:22.35 | bas | my laptop has a external keyboard connected, which causes problem with special chars on the keyboard. how can i fix these? xmodmap or setting the keymap in |
| 23:22.36 | guk | mops_: No alternatives for cursors. |
| 23:22.38 | mops_ | the list of fresh new available packages |
| 23:22.42 | bas | ^^^ dont work |
| 23:22.42 | guk | erm |
| 23:22.45 | guk | macondo: No alternatives for cursors. |
| 23:22.48 | guk | there we go |
| 23:22.52 | wanderer_ | so how do I upgrade a package? |
| 23:22.56 | guk | all I want to do is change my fucking mouse curser |
| 23:23.00 | wanderer_ | first I do apt-get update |
| 23:23.03 | guk | it's really pissing me off that it's not point and click |
| 23:23.05 | wanderer_ | then? |
| 23:23.05 | mops_ | wandrer_: without uninstalling? |
| 23:23.09 | werdna | awsome |
| 23:23.10 | bas | wanderer_, apt-get upgrade |
| 23:23.12 | wanderer_ | with uninstalling the old one |
| 23:23.13 | macondo | guk: maybe there is a word missing, google! |
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| 23:23.18 | disasm | wanderer_: apt-get install package |
| 23:23.21 | guk | macondo: searched ... found nothing ... |
| 23:23.23 | karsten | wanderer_: aptitude / apt-get upgrades your system. |
| 23:23.25 | mops_ | wandrer_: I wrote it |
| 23:23.27 | werdna | wget -r -p http://www.psytrips.org/mixes/ |
| 23:23.29 | werdna | thank you mops_ |
| 23:23.34 | karsten | wanderer_: aptitude dist-upgrade, eg. |
| 23:23.37 | luctor_ | what global file set the PATH ? bash? |
| 23:23.42 | guk | macondo: I tried what it said but "default" mouse curser locks my computer up ... so that's no good |
| 23:23.45 | macondo | guk: install 'big-cursor' |
| 23:23.50 | wanderer_ | but the thing I'm wondering is how to deinstall the old version of that package |
| 23:23.50 | mops_ | werdna: you are welcome! |
| 23:24.07 | mops_ | werdna: btw wget is VERY good tool, use it |
| 23:24.23 | werdna | makes things easier to do everytin gin one caommand :) |
| 23:24.24 | werdna | command |
| 23:24.31 | FieldySnuts | wget is one of those small, simple, straightforward yet very powerful apps that is so very handy |
| 23:24.33 | FieldySnuts | like screen |
| 23:24.37 | mops_ | wanderer_: apt-get remove XYZ |
| 23:24.45 | mops_ | removes the XYZ pkg, do you understand? |
| 23:24.52 | mops_ | werdna: yes, U're right |
| 23:24.54 | wanderer_ | yep |
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| 23:25.13 | mops_ | wanderer_: and after that you run apt-get install XYZ |
| 23:25.17 | wanderer_ | but i think it's silly to do the remove and then install to upgrade a package |
| 23:25.27 | mops_ | that will install the same pkg, but in new version |
| 23:25.33 | wanderer_ | isn't there one upgrade (with deinstalling the old one) commadn |
| 23:25.35 | macondo | guk: http://rzr.online.fr/n/linux-en.htm it took me 20 seconds |
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| 23:25.50 | mops_ | wandrer_: I dont use it, so you will have to read man |
| 23:25.59 | mops_ | man apt-get will explain it |
| 23:26.05 | delikadir | Wanderer: whats the problem bro |
| 23:26.10 | werdna | mops_: is there a commnad to upgrade all packages that are out of date? |
| 23:26.11 | nicholsc | where do i change my default display settings for xfree86? |
| 23:26.27 | mops_ | werdna: what U mean with "out of date"? |
| 23:26.31 | wanderer_ | I wonder if there is a single command that upgrades a package and rmoves the old vrsion |
| 23:26.38 | mattboll | werdna: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 23:26.38 | mops_ | werdna: depends on distro U're using |
| 23:26.50 | guk | macondo: and I bet you it crashes my system ... or leaves me with a choice of a big red ugly pointer or a big white ugly pointer |
| 23:26.59 | werdna | Linux 2.4.25-1-multimedia-k7 |
| 23:27.07 | werdna | debian :P |
| 23:27.15 | mops_ | werdna: use this: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 23:27.16 | mattboll | werdna: that's the kernel |
| 23:27.20 | mops_ | like mattboll said |
| 23:27.32 | mattboll | ^^ |
| 23:27.33 | macondo | guk: are you trolling? |
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| 23:27.37 | werdna | Linux localhost.example.com 2.4.25-1-multimedia-k7 #1 SMP Fri Sep 3 12:28:18 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:27.49 | guk | macondo: no ... im serious ... im having serious issues with my mouse cursur |
| 23:27.52 | mops_ | werdna: you 2.4 kernel is ok, you dont have to upgrade if you dont have to |
| 23:28.01 | guk | macondo: I was wondering if there is a special debian way to change it :) |
| 23:28.07 | guk | macondo: hence me in the #debian channel |
| 23:28.07 | guk | :) |
| 23:28.10 | delikadir | what is the point of an upgrade if the old version stays? |
| 23:28.12 | werdna | what does the localhost.example.com mean?? |
| 23:28.21 | macondo | guk: i already gave you the site from google with the answer. |
| 23:28.23 | mops_ | wernda: you machine :) |
| 23:28.26 | mops_ | your |
| 23:28.38 | werdna | how do I name my machine? |
| 23:28.50 | mops_ | man hostname |
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| 23:29.10 | mops_ | btw you're choosing name of machine while installing debian |
| 23:29.29 | guk | macondo: im reading ... |
| 23:29.48 | guk | (/usr/bin/gnome-session). Nothing to configure. |
| 23:29.49 | Delph | I don't suppose anyone works in the NHS IT, do they? |
| 23:29.51 | guk | and it works awsome |
| 23:29.57 | werdna | is there a way to pop up a shell from the irssi command line? |
| 23:30.10 | Delph | werdna: can you /exec bash ? |
| 23:30.16 | wanderer_ | where does the apt keep the packages it downloads? |
| 23:30.21 | mops_ | guk: how can I do that curor change? |
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| 23:30.29 | guk | oh ... |
| 23:30.30 | guk | I found it .. |
| 23:30.36 | werdna | hmmm nope I cannot Delph |
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| 23:30.39 | guk | now can I actually use "default" as a cursor ? |
| 23:30.48 | guk | or "core.theme" |
| 23:30.56 | guk | that would become the default xfree86 cursor ? |
| 23:31.04 | mops_ | guk: what window manager do U use? |
| 23:31.06 | paranoid_android | hey |
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| 23:31.09 | guk | mops_: windowmaker |
| 23:31.22 | paranoid_android | does anyone here has a Toshiba Satellite laptop? |
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| 23:31.55 | guk | well lets see how this goes |
| 23:32.02 | dondelelcaro | paranoid_android: just ask your actual question. If someone knows, they'll answer. |
| 23:32.22 | alex_ | how do I know what is the device driven by alsa |
| 23:32.24 | alex_ | ? |
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| 23:33.14 | paranoid_android | i just got one, and im trying to get my sound working... it dosnt works with slack 10 or fedora core 3 |
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| 23:33.25 | paranoid_android | but it does with knoppix |
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| 23:33.52 | guk | w00t |
| 23:33.54 | erni | hi |
| 23:33.54 | dondelelcaro | alex_: check /proc/asound/devices |
| 23:33.58 | guk | thanks <3 I got my favorite cursor back |
| 23:33.59 | erni | i have one problem |
| 23:34.07 | mops_ | paranoid_android: you must know the name of the card and compile the right kernel, with support for your sound hw |
| 23:34.15 | erni | i can't mount my dvd-rom |
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| 23:34.25 | erni | ccan someone hlp me pliz? |
| 23:34.29 | confrrey | hi everybody |
| 23:34.48 | paranoid_android | mops_: how can i do that? |
| 23:34.51 | mops_ | erni: do you have drivers installed? |
| 23:35.02 | jgould | when you do a wget does it start at index.htm(l) on the top level of the domain and go inward from there? |
| 23:35.03 | mops_ | paranoid_android: read kernel-howto |
| 23:35.10 | drac | paranoid_android: apt-get install 2.6 kernel, alsa-base, alsamixergui, udev, add yourself to audio group and run alsaconf. remove mutes from mixer. |
| 23:35.14 | erni | when i try to mount my cdrom i get the error mess: mount: special device /dev/hdd does not exist |
| 23:35.29 | erni | what drivers? |
| 23:35.33 | confrrey | help me please : I'd like to suspend my desktop PC after some minutes of inactivity; how can I do it? |
| 23:35.33 | erni | mops? |
| 23:35.34 | mops_ | erni: you dont have created /dev/hdd |
| 23:35.43 | paranoid_android | thanx |
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| 23:35.47 | mops_ | erni: for your DVD-ROM |
| 23:35.52 | erni | hdd doesn't exist in /dev |
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| 23:35.56 | paranoid_android | i'll try that |
| 23:36.07 | erni | what have i to do? |
| 23:36.19 | mops_ | drac: are that apt-get install 2.6 kernel, kernel good? |
| 23:36.37 | mops_ | drac: I mean this: isnt it better to compile one on your own? |
| 23:36.43 | drac | mops_: why? |
| 23:36.49 | drac | mops_: what's wrong with debian kernels? |
| 23:36.54 | mops_ | drac: for cusomization |
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| 23:37.13 | mops_ | drac: I tried nothing of them, so I cannot say |
| 23:37.19 | drac | if there is some special need, sure, why not, but i doubt that is the case now. |
| 23:37.21 | erni | mops what have i to do? |
| 23:37.21 | mops_ | that is why I am asking :) |
| 23:37.28 | erni | mops_ what have i to do? |
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| 23:37.39 | mops_ | erni: create that file |
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| 23:37.49 | mops_ | man mknod I thnik |
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| 23:37.54 | erni | but what kind of file is it? |
| 23:38.00 | mops_ | block device |
| 23:38.05 | erni | how i create that file? |
| 23:38.09 | mops_ | man mknod |
| 23:38.10 | bosartig | hi, what do i need to edit in sources.list to upgrade woody to sarge? |
| 23:38.20 | erni | mm |
| 23:38.24 | erni | i'll try |
| 23:38.25 | dvs | bosartig: ??? use an editor? |
| 23:38.27 | erni | thnx |
| 23:38.27 | gravity | bosartig: Replace any instance of "woody" or "stable" with "sarge" |
| 23:38.34 | Fluten | is kernel 2.6 to the point where it can be used without problems? since i've been using 2.4 for a while now |
| 23:38.48 | gravity | bosartig: After that, aptitude upgrade; aptitude update |
| 23:38.49 | dvs | Fluten: 2.6 hasn't failed me yet |
| 23:39.03 | Fluten | is 2.6 faster than 2.4, or is there not that much difference? |
| 23:39.18 | dvs | Fluten: You'll have to move things out from /etc/modutils to /etc/modprobe.d if you did any customizations |
| 23:39.43 | dvs | Fluten: There's not much difference in speed |
| 23:40.03 | mops_ | dvs: but more hw is supported, right? |
| 23:40.04 | Kerr | !i686 |
| 23:40.10 | dvs | mops_: Yup |
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| 23:40.33 | bosartig | cool. thanx guys |
| 23:40.33 | mops_ | can smb explain to me what apt-get install 2.6 kernel |
| 23:40.35 | dvs | dpkg: wake up |
| 23:40.35 | dpkg | dvs: I'm already awake! :) |
| 23:40.35 | mops_ | REALLY does? |
| 23:40.43 | dvs | ha! |
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| 23:41.03 | mops_ | does it make properly changes also to lilo.conf or sth like that? |
| 23:41.11 | dvs | mops_: Huh? /msg dpkg 2.6 |
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| 23:41.15 | mops_ | thx |
| 23:41.55 | cat | how can i changed my kernel name? |
| 23:41.59 | cat | do i have to compile a new one? |
| 23:42.11 | dvs | cat: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 23:42.16 | bosartig | one more thing, what should i do to lilo after i upgrade to sarge? |
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| 23:42.19 | mops_ | cat: what do you mean with name? |
| 23:42.21 | mops_ | a number? |
| 23:42.24 | cat | mops_: uname -r |
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| 23:42.30 | cat | to changed the name of the uname -r |
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| 23:42.38 | dvs | bosartig: use it or change to grub |
| 23:42.42 | mops_ | uname -r: outputs the version of kernel |
| 23:42.52 | cat | how do u changed it? |
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| 23:42.56 | Kerr | i'm being harrased in pm by a bot. Is it possible to sink any lower? |
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| 23:43.03 | mops_ | so if you want higher(newe) U'll have to compile or download one |
| 23:43.09 | dvs | cat: compile or install a new kernel |
| 23:43.13 | k1k1 | www.abiertos.org 100% GNU/Linux |
| 23:43.18 | mops_ | cat: I compiled on my own |
| 23:43.18 | gravity | bosartig: Sarge upgrade shouldn't pull your kernel out from under you. If you want to, run lilo again before you reboot, but it shouldn't matter if all goes well |
| 23:43.21 | cat | dvs: ok, and then what do i have to put? |
| 23:43.28 | dvs | cat: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:43.36 | tactless | Gah! Lirc packages are in horrible shape! |
| 23:43.38 | bosartig | ok, thanks |
| 23:43.42 | tactless | And the fixes are trivial... |
| 23:43.45 | tactless | I should get on it sometimes. |
| 23:43.53 | gravity | Does Fedora or Gentoo pull your kernel out from under you or something? Why is everyone worried about that? |
| 23:44.26 | k1k1 | www.abiertos.org 100% GNU/Linux |
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| 23:44.53 | stew | !ops k1k1 spammer |
| 23:44.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: k1k1 spammer |
| 23:45.05 | k1k1 | no |
| 23:45.08 | nekrataal | hey, is there any way to install Alsa on debian sarge for a 2.6.8-1-386 kernel without having to recompile it? |
| 23:45.35 | ganzy | hi,, |
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| 23:45.43 | gravity | nekrataal: Alsa should already be there by default |
| 23:46.12 | nekrataal | gravity, its not.... |
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| 23:46.30 | tactless | nekrataal: That's odd... are you sure? |
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| 23:46.40 | mcmehl | hy@all, i have problem with sound on tv-card (saa7134); dmesg shows: saa7134[0]/audio: audio carrier scan failed, using 5.500 MHz [last detected] |
| 23:46.47 | JediMaster | can anyone suggesdt the best way to add options to the fstab entry for the root partition automatically in a script? (need to add ",usrquota,grpquota" to the options for the root partition in fstab |
| 23:46.55 | ganzy | how can i get sarge iso |
| 23:46.56 | stew | nekrataal: the debian 2.6 kernel images will contain alsa |
| 23:46.58 | tactless | nekrataal: I mean, in 2.6 kernels everything but Alsa has a big "DON'T USE ME!" warning attached... |
| 23:47.04 | gravity | nekrataal: Do you have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed? |
| 23:47.16 | stew | !WikiFaq nekrataal UseSoundCard |
| 23:47.17 | dpkg | nekrataal: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:47.46 | gravity | ganzy: Check www.debian.org. There's a link for "getting debian" |
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| 23:48.11 | tactless | ganzy: And go for Sarge Netinst ;) |
| 23:48.15 | gravity | Hi Baby :-) |
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| 23:48.51 | tactless | Anyone here using the ipw2200 modules? |
| 23:49.01 | tactless | Or ipw2100? |
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| 23:49.29 | tactless | I was just thinking that it would be very convenient if the package would display the agreement and just wget them... |
| 23:49.49 | mops_ | goodbye all! |
| 23:49.53 | mops_ | have a nice day! |
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| 23:50.14 | gravity | tactless: Submit a patch to do that. It's probably not that hard. |
| 23:50.31 | tactless | gravity: Well I was wondering if it's some legal/moral issue |
| 23:50.41 | nekrataal | gravity, yes, i have both of them installed... |
| 23:50.44 | tactless | gravity: I mean, I'm pretty sure that kind of stuff has been done with other packages. |
| 23:50.58 | gravity | tactless: I think it's legal. Moral... maybe, it's up to the maintainer. |
| 23:50.58 | nekrataal | but still i dont know how to use alsa suport.. |
| 23:51.13 | tactless | nekrataal: Follow the links... |
| 23:51.25 | gravity | nekrataal: I don't know then. Check to see if the alsa modules are loaded I guess |
| 23:51.29 | Baby | hi gravity!! |
| 23:51.39 | gravity | :-) |
| 23:51.45 | tactless | nekrataal: Hotplug will make your life easier with that. |
| 23:51.50 | gravity | This is true |
| 23:52.14 | nekrataal | but the modules for the sound card are loaded.. |
| 23:52.24 | tactless | nekrataal: So what's the problem? |
| 23:52.24 | nekrataal | yet still it doesnt work.. |
| 23:52.33 | gravity | nekrataal: So you just don't have sound, is that it? |
| 23:52.35 | nekrataal | in kernel 2.4 with the alsa modules they worked.. |
| 23:52.45 | nekrataal | but then in 2.6 they dont... |
| 23:52.50 | tactless | nekrataal: What isn't working exactly? |
| 23:53.00 | nekrataal | /dev/dsp |
| 23:53.15 | nekrataal | it doesnt work.. |
| 23:53.22 | nekrataal | i cant hear any sound... |
| 23:53.23 | tactless | nekrataal: Well, you're not supposed to use that. That's OSS emulation. (Maybe that's disabled?) |
| 23:53.27 | werdna | what is the best way to win an item on ebay? |
| 23:53.39 | gravity | werdna: Pay lots of money for it |
| 23:53.40 | tactless | nekrataal: Try telling some application to specifically use Alsa. |
| 23:53.45 | tactless | nekrataal: Alsa doesn't use /dev/oss. |
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| 23:53.46 | Ronin | that works gravity :) |
| 23:53.51 | tactless | nekrataal: I mean /dev/dsp |
| 23:54.05 | simonrvn | tactless: oss-emu does |
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| 23:54.17 | tactless | simonrvn: Well, yeah, as an OSS emulation :) |
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| 23:54.26 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 23:55.03 | wanderer_ | hi guys. I have a little problem. I use a laptop |
| 23:55.10 | wanderer_ | and have a touchpad and a usb mouse |
| 23:55.14 | TheBeast | is it possible to have more than one version if gcc in a debian system ? |
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| 23:55.19 | wanderer_ | I have downloaded the synaptics driver |
| 23:55.28 | wanderer_ | and i can use my synaptics with x |
| 23:55.29 | TheBeast | let's say 3.3.5 and 3.4.3 ? |
| 23:55.34 | wanderer_ | but I cant use my USB mouse. |
| 23:55.37 | wanderer_ | how can I do it? |
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| 23:55.57 | tactless | wanderer_: Is /dev/input/mice responding properly? |
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| 23:56.02 | xai | I can't get ICH6 controller to look liek a single device.. |
| 23:56.06 | xai | not sure why . |
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| 23:56.11 | wanderer_ | the touchpad uses it |
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| 23:56.26 | dvs | xai: Like a 925 or something? |
| 23:56.27 | tactless | wanderer_: And the USB mouse? |
| 23:56.38 | wanderer_ | yep |
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| 23:56.56 | tactless | wanderer_: Okay, so you have several /dev/input/mouse? entries, right? |
| 23:56.58 | nekrataal | hey, i told xmms to use alsa, but it doesnt work.. |
| 23:57.04 | nekrataal | where can i check the alsa module? |
| 23:57.06 | tactless | wanderer_: Figure out which one is the USB mouse |
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| 23:57.13 | xai | Its an intel raid controller.. I thought the AHCI driver would cure it, but apparently not.. |
| 23:57.25 | nekrataal | modprobe alsa |
| 23:57.25 | nekrataal | FATAL: Module alsa not found. |
| 23:57.31 | wanderer_ | how can I do it |
| 23:57.42 | tactless | wanderer_: cat them, move mouse. |
| 23:57.43 | dvs | nekrataal: What sound card do you have? |
| 23:58.28 | *** part/#debian TheBeast (~avoid@dsl-66-225-163-58.vianet.ca) |
| 23:59.04 | blujay | nekrataal: have you installed ALSA? |
| 23:59.06 | wanderer_ | okay, I think I found it |
| 23:59.16 | wanderer_ | how can I have X to re-read the conf file |
| 23:59.18 | wanderer_ | I use gdm. |
| 23:59.24 | wanderer_ | do I have to restart the computer? |
| 23:59.25 | blujay | Wanderer: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:59.29 | nekrataal | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 23:59.30 | tactless | wanderer_: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 23:59.50 | dvs | nekrataal: modeprobe snd_intel8x0 |
| 23:59.51 | gravity | How did I know that was going to happen? :-) |
| 23:59.55 | blujay | LOL, oops |
| 23:59.56 | dvs | nekrataal: modprobe snd_intel8x0 |
| 23:59.58 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 23:59.58 | nekrataal | blujay, i installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, but i have a 2.6 kernel serie... |
