| 00:00.03 | dvs | BadMan: pn |
| 00:00.09 | nvz | Mike77: Thats for an Intellimouse or otherwise optical wheel mouse on USB |
| 00:00.09 | drac | BadMan: don't use it. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:00.18 | RedPenguin | chealer29, trying to use firestarter |
| 00:00.23 | dvs | BadMan: I agree with drac |
| 00:00.51 | Mike77 | ok, doing streuner's recommendation... |
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| 00:01.22 | Sero | Can anyone tell me, how to configure GDM to start up Blackbox, it keeps trying to start Gnome. |
| 00:01.40 | nvz | Mike77: yeah that factiod is old and dodgy.. mousedev has absolutly nothing to do with usbmice |
| 00:01.53 | nvz | Mike77: its for other types of mice to use the Input layer |
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| 00:02.09 | drac | Sero: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 00:02.13 | BadMan | dvs well dont matter still bombed outwith error 104 no devices etc... |
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| 00:02.43 | drac | Sero: and perhaps .xsession file in your home directory could say something like 'exec blackbox' |
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| 00:03.17 | ReKleSS | Hi all |
| 00:03.20 | BadMan | nv modules of 4.1.0.1 should work for my agp mx4000 correct? during kernel module selection i added agpart as well and its listed in lsmod |
| 00:03.34 | ReKleSS | I'm trying to upgrade deb stable to testing on a sparcstation 5 |
| 00:03.38 | nvz | mousedev makes /dev/input/mice common to all mouse types, its not at all a part of the USB mouse thing.. thats why there is a driver called usbmouse :P |
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| 00:04.11 | BadMan | off to xfree website to hunt around back ina few |
| 00:04.16 | ReKleSS | I'm trying to work around the circular dependency problem (glibc6 and kernel-image), but now my kernel won't boot: Decompression error: uncompressed image too long - wouldn't fit into destination |
| 00:04.19 | Mike77 | nvz: so? are you saying that I have to install a usbmouse driver? |
| 00:04.27 | Sero | drac, Will that work for Gentoo? |
| 00:04.40 | ReKleSS | anyone know how to make this work? |
| 00:04.40 | streuner | well, we haven't any problems with that factoid in ages... |
| 00:04.47 | nvz | Mike77: you may have to load one.. I mentioned it because you are using woody, which unlike sarge doesnt have hotplug and discover installed by default |
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| 00:05.07 | nvz | Mike77: what kind of usb controller is listed in lspci? |
| 00:05.14 | drac | Sero: does this look like #gentoo to you? |
| 00:05.17 | streuner | s/haven't/hadn't/ |
| 00:05.45 | chealer29 | RedPenguin: it doesn't seem to do that for me. what's not POSIX? |
| 00:06.11 | Mike77 | nvz: should I go sarge? USB Controller: Intel Corp 82371AB PIIX4 USB |
| 00:06.18 | Sero | drac, no, but #Gentoo are normally unhelpful and #Debian is very helpful. ^^ |
| 00:06.23 | mattcamp | Hello.. I'm running Sarge with XFree86 4.3.0 and GNOME 2.8, and the changes I've made in the Mouse section of Desktop Preferences (specifically to the cursor size and speed of motion) have no effect. Do I need to adjust something in my X configuration? |
| 00:06.32 | nvz | Mike77: you need all these drivers loaded: uhci hid input usbmouse, you can list them all in /etc/modules so it will be loaded at boot, then modprobe each one if not already loaded. lsmod shows you loaded modules |
| 00:06.42 | alus | I'm having trouble moving over to sarge - 84 packages are being held back |
| 00:07.12 | mattcamp | alus: Are you using apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:07.15 | alus | yeah |
| 00:07.22 | nvz | Mike77: I dont use hotplug and discover on my sarge boxes, but discover probes hardware on boot, and hotplug tries to handle hotplugging of devices like PCMCIA and USB etc.. but its available also in woody, its just optional as opposed to base |
| 00:07.39 | nvz | Mike77: its not at all a requirement. |
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| 00:08.39 | nvz | Mike77: cases where hotplug is nice, is when you need the system to perform specific tasks when hardware is hotplugged. if you will always have your mouse in and always want it to work, its just as easy to set it and forget it, than to have an extra program monitoring for it, and loading/unloading it |
| 00:08.49 | Mike77 | nvz: lsmod gives only two mods loaded: nls_cp437 and af_packet |
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| 00:09.09 | nvz | Mike77: then you will need to modprobe these one at a time: uhci hid input usbmouse |
| 00:09.25 | EJ | i get no screens found error.what's the solution? |
| 00:09.28 | BadMan | using lspci I find that my nVidia AGp card is at 01:05.0 what identifier do I need to enter? |
| 00:09.29 | nvz | Mike77: and /etc/modules is a file that is a list (on per line) of modules to load automatically at boot |
| 00:09.38 | chealer29 | !tell Ej about no screens found |
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| 00:09.51 | nvz | Mike77: you can add them there to be loaded always. leave a blank line at the end to avoid problems of programs appending the file |
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| 00:10.09 | BadMan | !tell BadMan about no screens found |
| 00:10.13 | mentor | RedPenguin: Well, almost everything implements the first stage of POSIX. |
| 00:10.14 | zyme | can anybody help me with my college dorm network? im trying to load to link http://10.254.0.50/account/whatsmypubip.php, but it always times out. it works fine with windows machines though. i can ping 10.254.0.50 just fine, but the page wont load. |
| 00:10.42 | nvz | Mike77: you can put most of this stuff behind you once you get that X server up and running, I'd be happy to help you adjust your windows knowlage to the linux desktop :P |
| 00:10.44 | BadMan | well I have seent aht ee... |
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| 00:11.07 | mentor | zyme: Can you access other web sites? Do you have ot go thoruhg a web proxy? |
| 00:11.12 | Mike77 | nvz: editing modules file: should I add all the keywords you told me? why is that it is not loaded by default like Micro$oft does to help stupid users like myself? did I skip something? |
| 00:11.22 | nvz | Mike77: if and when you have time, upgrading to sarge is a good idea, woody is nearly 2 years old, and sarge has twice as many newer packages that work pretty well. its just not priority 1 right now |
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| 00:11.33 | BadMan | qucik question how do you watch a log "live"? |
| 00:11.40 | dvs | BadMan: tail -f |
| 00:11.46 | peterS | BadMan: 'tail -f filename' or 'less -S +F filename' |
| 00:11.48 | BadMan | ok thanks |
| 00:11.52 | EJ | I jsut checked the log file and it says no devices detected |
| 00:11.53 | peterS | BadMan: I prefer the latter (: |
| 00:11.54 | zyme | mentor: i can load everything except things that have an ip starting with 10.#### |
| 00:11.56 | EJ | jsut=just |
| 00:11.58 | nvz | Mike77: thats what discover does, it runs at boot, and probes for hardware, and loads drivers. its not part of woody's base install |
| 00:12.09 | nvz | Mike77: its in woody, its just optional |
| 00:12.13 | chealer29 | EJ: did it work before? |
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| 00:12.22 | zyme | mentor: i dont think i go through a web proxy, i just plug into the wall, but my school does have a lot of packetshaping stuff |
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| 00:12.34 | mentor | zyme: Ah well, yes...doh. 10.0.0.0/8 is reserved as a private address space. |
| 00:12.37 | EJ | never worked since i "fresh" installed debian |
| 00:12.39 | BadMan | ok it is saying no devices found |
| 00:13.00 | Mike77 | nvz: thanks for the help! I got into this yesterday and I'm already loosing my hair :). Let me add the drivers you told me and reboot |
| 00:13.02 | zyme | mentor: what do i have to do to be able to connect to those :) |
| 00:13.13 | nvz | Mike77: you made the mistake of downloading our 2 year old stable release, when Sarge is sporting rc2 of the new debian-installer with much more newbie friendly hardware detection built in, as well as newer kernels |
| 00:13.22 | nvz | Mike77: you do not have to reboot |
| 00:13.22 | chealer29 | EJ: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root and verify that values seem good |
| 00:13.28 | mentor | zyme: No, as in, they are reserved for private use, by multiple private individuals, and are not publically routed. |
| 00:13.33 | nvz | Mike77: if you modprobe htem now, then they are loaded |
| 00:13.46 | zyme | mentor: i can load them all in windows though |
| 00:13.47 | EJ | OK,thought alread tried |
| 00:13.51 | nvz | Mike77: you only need to list them one per line in /etc/modules, so they will be loaded next time you do boot the system |
| 00:14.09 | zyme | i refuse to believe that windows is superior to linux! |
| 00:14.29 | mentor | zyme: What's your private IP address? |
| 00:14.43 | zyme | i dont know, the page that i cant load is the page that would tell me that |
| 00:14.45 | mentor | zyme: Where did you get that IP/link from? |
| 00:14.48 | nvz | Mike77: since you are already installed, and competant enough to carry on, no point in starting over with sarge now.. you can upgrade when you got the time.. We'll try get you a desktop running and then let you decide what comes next |
| 00:14.49 | BadMan | chealer29 i know my identifier from lspci but when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 what identifier do I enter for the card? |
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| 00:14.51 | zyme | my dorm its page |
| 00:15.01 | mentor | zyme: (run ifconfig for your /private/ address) |
| 00:15.01 | zyme | i think its like 10.1.2.147 or something |
| 00:15.04 | BadMan | chealer29 my lspci is 01:05.0 |
| 00:15.06 | mentor | zyme: Ah, right. |
| 00:15.06 | disasm | zyme: ifconfig will tell you it |
| 00:15.06 | chealer29 | BadMan: usually nothing |
| 00:15.33 | zyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.34 | EJ | should I choose yes for mange xfree86 server with debconf? |
| 00:15.37 | zyme | i would imagine it is one of those |
| 00:15.53 | disasm | zyme: its the inet addr |
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| 00:15.55 | BadMan | chealer29 ok will try not entering anything.. |
| 00:15.57 | zyme | ok |
| 00:16.00 | chealer29 | EJ: yes, unless you have to edit XF86Config-3 manually |
| 00:16.06 | chealer29 | s/3/4 |
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| 00:16.20 | chealer29 | BadMan: not anything, leave it blank |
| 00:16.20 | EJ | no thanks, i'm new to linux... |
| 00:16.22 | Mike77 | nvz: actually I'm trying to get the hang of it. The more problems I have, the more I get into the Linux core. If I wanted a user-friendly OS, I would stick to WinXP but then I have no way of fixing all the crap that's hidden behind those fancy windows. Let's see how far I get :) |
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| 00:16.35 | luctor_et_emergo | remote host address is the local host when I try to send from localhost |
| 00:16.48 | mentor | zyme: YEah, and of course you can ping it, so it's all working... :) doh. |
| 00:16.57 | BadMan | ok framebuffer? card is a MX4000 GeForce AGp |
| 00:16.58 | nvz | Mike77: yep thats the way I see it :) |
| 00:17.00 | mentor | zyme: Can you telnet 10.254.0.50 80? |
| 00:17.12 | nvz | Mike77: you are on the right track, and I am here to help keep you there :) |
| 00:17.20 | EJ | how do I know my video card bus identifier?? |
| 00:17.25 | zyme | nope |
| 00:17.29 | petemc | luctor_et_emergo: if you want the mail to go to a local user, add it to loca_domains, i assume you're using exim |
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| 00:17.34 | disasm | zyme: what college are you at? |
| 00:17.35 | Mike77 | nvz: is there any way of installing from the net? I'm tired of burning tons of CDs ;) |
| 00:17.38 | BadMan | EJ and I are on same problem LOL |
| 00:17.42 | nvz | Mike77: of course :) |
| 00:17.43 | zyme | south dakota school of mines and technology |
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| 00:17.44 | EJ | oops, I pressed enter,should i go on? |
| 00:17.46 | narg | netinstall mike |
| 00:17.48 | luctor_et_emergo | petemc: exim4 |
| 00:17.55 | dvs | !netinst |
| 00:17.55 | dpkg | [netinst] a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 00:17.56 | nvz | Mike77: my netinstall is on a minicd its a 100mb or so ISO |
| 00:18.05 | EJ | badman> it's such a shitty program, i'm to get this x on!! |
| 00:18.08 | zyme | it works straight up in windows, so i dont think there is anything really complicated to doing it, i just dont have any idea what it is |
| 00:18.17 | EJ | I'm dying to get this x on! |
| 00:18.22 | BadMan | yeah me tooo |
| 00:18.33 | jim | so install the server :) |
| 00:18.36 | nvz | Mike77: the 100mb or so is just the base install, my netinstall is capable of strapping the kernel, bootloader and base even without downloading anything. you can get one without base that would then be even smaller |
| 00:18.40 | BadMan | its installed no screens found |
| 00:18.40 | chealer29 | EJ: if you left busid blank it's OK. that's what it says to do after all |
| 00:18.42 | BadMan | running |
| 00:18.48 | BadMan | er running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:19.05 | BadMan | im at framebuffer yeah or naye hehe |
| 00:19.20 | luctor_et_emergo | petemc: the mail sent is to a different domain than localhost... how can that be ? |
| 00:19.20 | jim | ok, so stop the server and yeah, run that... except... xfree86? I'm not sure I'm running that now or x.org stuff |
| 00:19.23 | Mike77 | nvz: what I'm talking about is downloading the packages with my WinXP box, connected to the same router as the Linux box, then installing from the packages downloaded to the WinXP PC |
| 00:19.28 | nvz | Mike77: but essentially all the installer does is a base install, then reboots and runs the script base-config which adds users, configurs apt, and downloads anyhting else, so those cd sets are just the package mirrors in ISO files.. heh they arent part of the installer |
| 00:19.37 | EJ | use kernel framebuffer device interface?? |
| 00:19.44 | dvs | EJ: NO |
| 00:19.45 | nvz | Mike77: you can run your own local package mirror :) |
| 00:19.48 | jim | that would be the slow way |
| 00:19.57 | Flimzy | Yesterday I burned a DVD that contained some animated material as well as some live-action. The animated material was encoded at a CBR of 1400 kbit/s, the live-action at 1800 kbit/s. On my own DVD player, both played perfectly. On a friend's (cheaper) DVD player, the animated material suffered from A/V sync after a short time (after 3 mins, the audio was 1-2 seconds ahead of the video), but the live-action a/v sync was fine. Is the disc |
| 00:19.57 | Flimzy | repency due to the lower CBR on the animated material (and thus harder/slower to decode), or is there another likely explanation? |
| 00:19.59 | Flimzy | Is transcode creating fubar MPEG streams? |
| 00:20.03 | jim | EJ: frame buffer is slow |
| 00:20.05 | EJ | thanks,let's go on |
| 00:20.07 | nvz | Mike77: I dont know how easy it would be to run from Wintendo, but you can do it very easily from a debian box |
| 00:20.09 | petemc | luctor_et_emergo: if the dns lookup on that domain points back to the ip you're sending from, it will say that, if you want it delivered locally, add the domain to local_domains |
| 00:20.17 | Mike77 | nvz: Cool! |
| 00:20.30 | mentor | zyme: What do you mean by 'nope'; what error are you getting? |
| 00:20.39 | mentor | zyme: It sounds like there is a proxy in the way to me... |
| 00:20.47 | EJ | what's keyboard variant?? |
| 00:20.47 | jim | frame buffer is for if you don't have any other way to do it (meaning specific driver for video card) |
| 00:20.49 | Mike77 | nvz: can you remind me the command to config the Xserver? I lost it in a thousand lines of MIrc... |
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| 00:21.05 | dvs | EJ: If you have a US keyboard, none |
| 00:21.05 | luctor_et_emergo | petemc: I dont want it to go be delivered locally |
| 00:21.05 | Mike77 | nvz: (I rebooted... :( ) |
| 00:21.10 | nvz | Mike77: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:21.10 | zyme | mentor: it just says "trying" and never does anything |
| 00:21.11 | EJ | I got hebrew |
| 00:21.15 | BadMan | could 24bit with xfree86 4.1.0.1 be casuing x to crash whens tarting/ |
| 00:21.15 | jim | *shrug* there are lots of keyboards... they "vary" |
| 00:21.17 | zyme | mentor: its possible that there is a proxy i guess |
| 00:21.18 | Flimzy | Mike77: Why on earth are you using mirc? And more importantly... why are you ADMITTING to it on this channel? |
| 00:21.20 | dvs | I dunno then |
| 00:21.42 | nvz | Flimzy: dont worry, this windows refugee is on dry land now, he wont be using mirc much longer |
| 00:21.43 | jim | Flimzy: it's what he's used to? |
| 00:21.48 | BadMan | Flimzy Im using mIRC as well as I have no other choice right now until I get things working right |
| 00:21.56 | EJ | I'll leave blank, i'm dying for this x server to work |
| 00:22.05 | mentor | zyme: but you can ping 10.254.0.50, right? |
| 00:22.06 | Flimzy | BadMan: You have no choice? There are dozens of IRC clients for Windows. |
| 00:22.14 | Mike77 | LOL, what should I be using? :) |
| 00:22.22 | BadMan | yeah but windows sucks and this one is quick and easy |
| 00:22.24 | zyme | mentor: yes |
| 00:22.25 | mentor | BadMan: Get a Free build of XChat :) |
| 00:22.26 | flixil | for windows??? bahhh |
| 00:22.33 | flixil | X-chat it's good |
| 00:22.34 | Flimzy | BadMan: And most of them are much better than mIRC (like Xchat, for instance) |
| 00:22.37 | nvz | Mike77: now that you got debian, you could use Irssi |
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| 00:22.42 | nvz | Mike77: a real irc client :P |
| 00:22.42 | jim | Mike77: use anything you want... you can make a choice... LATER :) or now :) |
| 00:22.53 | Flimzy | BadMan: Yeah, Windows does suck. But I'd still rather not use nasty icky gross mIRC when I'm in 'doze. |
| 00:22.57 | slocate | Irssi v0.8.9 (20031210) |
| 00:23.10 | luctor_et_emergo | petemc: theres a ton of different files here. |
| 00:23.11 | Mike77 | wish to get this Debian system running right now to ditch my windoze XP |
| 00:23.11 | BadMan | I dont want doze period I want linux up and flying |
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| 00:23.39 | nvz | Mike77: there ugly clients like mirc in debian, ksirc, kvirc for example.. but irc is all text, there is no reason for a graphical interface to a text chat. its whats under the hood that really counts |
| 00:23.40 | Flimzy | Most Linux IRC cliens have Windows ports by now. I've personally used XChat, BitchX, ircII, and GAIM in Windows. I imagine many others are avilable as well. |
| 00:23.44 | mentor | ie. Not the bastard quick-money-grab-distinctly-dodgy-legally PeterZ shareware build |
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| 00:23.53 | jim | hmm, looks like there are like 3 or 4 new installees here |
| 00:23.59 | petemc | luctor_et_emergo: yeah, you can choose to have your config split into lots of little files, i dont tho, i use /etc/exim4/exim4.conf |
| 00:24.12 | uncleboy | how about chatzilla |
| 00:24.14 | luctor_et_emergo | ok |
| 00:24.20 | BadMan | imho i dont want to download any more files for windows, the sooner I get my deb box up, the better |
| 00:24.28 | disasm | Mike77: get irssi, install ssh, and ssh into your linux box when your on windows to use irc ;-) |
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| 00:24.56 | jim | Flimzy: but if he's installing anyway and ditching windows -entirely-, it's a waste of time and effort to change before the linux is up |
| 00:25.07 | nvz | Mike77: he forgot to mention screen, it should be implied when saying ssh and irssi in the same sentance though |
| 00:25.11 | sorahn | quick stupid question, tar command for bz2 |
| 00:25.16 | Flimzy | jim: It's not a waste of time to install XChat instead of mIRC the _first time_, tho :P |
| 00:25.19 | mentor | sorahn: man tar |
| 00:25.23 | disasm | nvz: yeah, i forgot to say screen |
| 00:25.23 | dodgyville | Thanks! |
| 00:25.27 | nvz | Mike77: screen is the command-line's mama |
| 00:25.37 | jim | Flimzy: you're reacting too much to something that's possibly not even in the same country you are :) |
| 00:25.43 | Flimzy | jim: Altho IMO, using mIRC is worse than using nothing. So intalling Xchat, even if for only a few minutes, would be time well spent. |
| 00:25.50 | Mike77 | nvz: ARGHHHHHH still got the core pointer error !!! |
| 00:25.57 | Flimzy | jim: It sure would be nice if mIRC weren't in my country :P |
| 00:26.07 | nvz | well relax :p what did you put for the devices? |
| 00:26.11 | robertg | Had a weird system dump when I came home, but when I pressed a key it went right back to GNOME. |
| 00:26.12 | BadMan | ok how do I list my PIDs so I can kill any running xserver pids |
| 00:26.13 | robertg | :/ |
| 00:26.16 | disasm | nvz: I have screen -R -D in my .bash_profile so whenever I ssh, it opens the screen |
| 00:26.19 | mentor | zyme: Windows will pick up the proxy settings up automagically, usually...try checking in the net configuration to see what yours are... |
| 00:26.22 | Flimzy | BadMan: ps |
| 00:26.30 | mentor | badblody: man ps |
| 00:26.32 | BadMan | ps aux? |
| 00:26.34 | robertg | Anyone know what that could have been? |
| 00:26.35 | jim | Mike77: you have to decide which mouse will be the core pointer |
| 00:26.45 | BadMan | i kinda rember some of these buts its been long time |
| 00:26.46 | EJ | what should I write after I finished this xserver configuration |
| 00:26.46 | nvz | disasm: yeah I used something like that for a while calle dthe script myscreen, and it would power detach my screen when I ran it |
| 00:26.48 | mentor | (ps -C X) |
| 00:26.48 | EJ | ? |
| 00:26.59 | dvs | Mike77: Do you have two pointers? |
| 00:27.08 | zyme | mentor: how do i check in the net configuration :/ |
| 00:27.09 | Mike77 | I can use any mouse, I have like 20 different mouses ! just give me one that works... :( |
| 00:27.12 | nvz | Mike77: you loaded all 4 drivers? |
| 00:27.18 | jim | Mike77: you probably have one mouse... so you just have to say "it's THAT one" |
| 00:27.21 | Mike77 | let me see if they are loaded... |
| 00:27.23 | nvz | Mike77: you can cat the device and see if stuff spews out when you use the mouse |
| 00:27.23 | mentor | zyme: In Windows. Or ask your ITS. |
| 00:27.25 | dvs | zyme: netstat -r |
| 00:27.28 | zyme | ah |
| 00:27.30 | zyme | ok then |
| 00:27.31 | nvz | Mike77: cat /dev/input/mice |
| 00:27.32 | zyme | thanks a lot |
| 00:27.40 | nvz | Mike77: if its not loaded right you would get an error there |
| 00:27.42 | Mike77 | damn it! lsmod gives the same two mods, nothing else |
| 00:27.46 | mentor | zyme: If that doesn't work...come back! |
| 00:27.57 | zyme | heh ok, i will try to figure it out |
| 00:27.58 | nvz | Mike77: heh, did you modprobe them one at a time as root? |
| 00:28.00 | EJ | guys what do i write after i configured this xserver? |
| 00:28.11 | BadMan | (EE) No devices detected! |
| 00:28.12 | dvs | EJ: startx |
| 00:28.13 | BadMan | still |
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| 00:28.24 | Mike77 | nvz: let me try. Whats the command? modprobe usbmouse ? |
| 00:28.48 | nvz | Mike77: you could type this at the prompt |
| 00:28.51 | EJ | got some problem cuz i choose hebrew keyboard |
| 00:29.05 | EJ | ohh! I think I should've write IL but I wrote HE |
| 00:29.08 | zyme | what do i actually have to do in debian to put the proxy settings in? |
| 00:29.09 | disasm | Mike77: are you using sarge or woody? if woody, I would suggest sarge with the new installer, it tends to automagically create your XF86Config file for you |
| 00:29.09 | nvz | Mike77: modprobe usbmouse; modprobe uhci; modprobe input; modprobe hid |
| 00:29.10 | EJ | is this it? |
| 00:29.28 | nvz | Mike77: that doesnt stop if one fails, it just tries to load all 4 one at a time |
| 00:29.37 | nvz | but you should see errors if one fails |
| 00:29.42 | nvz | heh |
| 00:29.44 | Mike77 | I will try sarge later, but I'd like to get deeper into this Linux mess :) |
| 00:29.48 | Flimzy | zyme: that depends on what you're putting the settings "into", of course |
| 00:29.51 | paulswm | mentor: funny :) |
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| 00:30.18 | Mike77 | nvz: modprobe usbmouse: Can't locate module usbmouse |
| 00:30.27 | mentor | zyme: Unfortuantely, there's not really a central place for proxy server configuration. Your desktop environment usually has a place to confiugre it, and you can export http_proxy in rc files for the shell :/ |
| 00:30.48 | zyme | hmm ok |
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| 00:30.51 | zyme | sounds exciting |
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| 00:31.00 | nvz | Mike77: after we get you a desktop, I would sugges you try the upgrade soon.. and then maybe I could help you actually build yourself a custom set of Linux Kernel packages for your system. a debian system can only be as good as the kernel it runs on, cutom kernels get you understanding your system well :P |
| 00:31.04 | mentor | zyme: Yeah. Exilerating. |
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| 00:31.09 | nvz | Mike77: do the others load? |
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| 00:31.40 | nvz | Mike77: you are likely using 2.2.20-idepci or 2.4.19-bf2.4 or something for a kernel on there right now.. they may not have some modules, or perhaps have them built in |
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| 00:31.57 | dvs | Mike77: What does uname -r say? |
| 00:32.00 | nvz | Mike77: that gets back to the kernel thing.. woody comes with rescue kernels it installs |
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| 00:32.15 | EJ | I got MS optical exporer mouse ps/2. which option is best for me? |
| 00:32.17 | atm | Hi, I was testing cygwin on windows and came to lack of spacje. I have a lot of space on my debian partition. How would you suggest to change the partitions size? |
| 00:32.18 | nvz | Mike77: they are designed to _boot_ a wide range of systems and not a whole lot else |
| 00:32.19 | Flimzy | nvz: "A Debian system can only be as good as the kernel it runs on"... That's kind of a weird statement. |
| 00:32.25 | Mike77 | nvz: I installed the idepci "flavor" |
| 00:32.27 | dvs | EJ: ImPS/2 |
| 00:32.33 | EJ | 10x |
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| 00:32.40 | nvz | Flimzy: your system of any kind can only be as good as the kernel or hardware you have |
| 00:32.45 | Flimzy | EJ: There's an MS mouse protocol... (probably) use that |
| 00:32.54 | Mike77 | nvz: should I be standing in any particular PATH ? |
| 00:32.57 | mentor | Flimzy: Depends on your definition of good somewhat. |
| 00:33.01 | nvz | Mike77: nope |
| 00:33.02 | ciphergoth | Why don't my hand-rolled kernel-headers packages include a dependency on kernel-kbuild and a soft link into it, like the stock ones do? |
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| 00:33.13 | ciphergoth | (hand-rolled meaning rolled with make-kpkg of course) |
| 00:33.21 | EJ | guys I can't believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u're terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 00:33.23 | Flimzy | nvz: I suppose in a manner of speaking. |
| 00:33.27 | EJ | the X is working!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 00:33.31 | Flimzy | mentor: yeah, exactly |
| 00:33.33 | dvs | EJ: What? We didn't break it! |
| 00:33.45 | EJ | I'm excited!!!!!! |
| 00:33.46 | Flimzy | !tell EJ about u |
| 00:33.55 | ye_old | hehe EJ |
| 00:33.55 | mentor | EJ: You mean: teh X is wroking!!!!11111 |
| 00:33.58 | dvs | EJ: ur welcome |
| 00:33.59 | nvz | Mike77: idepci is a rescue kernel for all supported x86 idepci systems I dont think it has sound or usb support, though it may have usb |
| 00:34.00 | ye_old | had the same feeling |
| 00:34.05 | EJ | I love u dudes! |
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| 00:34.15 | EJ | I almost installed win98 :-(( |
| 00:34.17 | bwlang | anybody know how to get firefox integrated with the gnome session manager |
| 00:34.18 | atm | EJ: OK, get outta here ;) |
| 00:34.20 | nvz | Mike77: you can set the X pointer to /dev/null for now and X will start, and you can use the keyboard for a mouse :P |
| 00:34.21 | BadMan | well dang his is up but mine aint! |
| 00:34.22 | Quarupt | valdyn_, Im in X! |
| 00:34.22 | Mike77 | Oh good.... I wish to get to the point that the X works !! |
| 00:34.32 | ciphergoth | (that's D-zero-zero-D-Zee for those of you watching in black and white) |
| 00:34.37 | EJ | hey dude,I'll find other things to ask u :-) |
| 00:34.56 | dvs | EJ: Please don't ;-) |
| 00:34.58 | nvz | Mike77: or if uhci and hid and input arent in your kerenl install a better kernel image from your cd set or the web |
| 00:35.01 | Flimzy | EJ! |
| 00:35.02 | Hell-Man | oki.. first time using sarge + kde/gnome .. and the first Q? how do i shutdown all X servers that is running...when i am in the terminal |
| 00:35.07 | ciphergoth | I would also like the X do do that working thing, but I can't compile the NVidia kernel module against my handmade kernel because of this weird problem. |
| 00:35.08 | Flimzy | !tell EJ about u |
| 00:35.08 | Flimzy | (again) |
| 00:35.13 | nvz | Mike77: debian has prepackaged kernel images you can pretty much install and reboot into |
| 00:35.13 | EJ | sound server has a problem |
| 00:35.14 | BadMan | EJ I formatted Win98SE to put debian on it |
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| 00:35.21 | chealer29 | Hell-Man: are you using gdm? |
| 00:35.26 | Hell-Man | yupp |
| 00:35.30 | EJ | that's what I did 2 badman :-) |
| 00:35.38 | chealer29 | Hell-Man: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:35.44 | BadMan | I still have no screens found error 104 |
| 00:35.49 | Mike77 | nvz: should I start over again? I have no problems. Just tell me which "flavor" I should install... |
| 00:35.56 | Hell-Man | chealer29: oki thx |
| 00:35.59 | atm | How would you suggest to change linux partition size not to crush the system? |
| 00:36.11 | Quarupt | when my system starts, it boots up okay, but when it tries to start the diplay manger it just goes black, and i have to login and manualy start X any suggestions? |
| 00:36.20 | ciphergoth | ...and now it works! |
| 00:36.20 | atm | I need some more space for cygwin on windows partition |
| 00:36.29 | ciphergoth | But why, in the name of Bod? |
| 00:36.36 | disasm | BadMan: usually it says something before that no screens found that is slightly more useful |
| 00:36.53 | Quarupt | can anyone help? |
| 00:36.53 | nvz | Mike77: its really all up to you. you are very close to having X working which seems to me to be what you want to see right now. in any case you got a running debian system here, you can get wherever you want to go from where you are now. even reinstallign you would still need to do much the same things you need to do now |
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| 00:37.02 | dvs | BadMan: Like where the (EE) is |
| 00:37.03 | Quarupt | how do i make it so KDm starts at startup? |
| 00:37.15 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 00:37.16 | dvs | Quarupt: apt-get install kdm |
| 00:37.22 | jetscreamer | or apt-get install kdm first |
| 00:37.32 | Quarupt | okay thx |
| 00:37.36 | BadMan | disasm jsut above the (EE) is (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device |
| 00:37.39 | ciphergoth | Quarupt: and check /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 00:37.45 | Mike77 | nvz: can you show me the way? |
| 00:37.50 | atm | Flimzy: How would you suggest to change the size of linux partition not to crush it? |
| 00:38.00 | jetscreamer | ciphergoth, that's what dpkg-reconfigure ?dm sets |
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| 00:38.06 | Mike77 | I installed the idepci woody and have no modules... |
| 00:38.15 | dvs | BadMan: What does your BusID in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 say? |
| 00:38.18 | ciphergoth | jetscreamer: OK |
| 00:38.19 | jetscreamer | !get a real kernel |
| 00:38.21 | nvz | Mike77: if you set the pointer to /dev/null in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and run xinit, X should work it will satisfy the need for a corepointer to see if X initalizes and you can see, then you can hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace which will kill the X server, and install a debian kernel image that has USB uspport. this is all provided you are sure there is no uhci module or hid module..etc in your kernel you have now |
| 00:38.26 | uncleboy | nvz: I know you have worked with Mike77 for a while, but isn't his path to success easier with a new sarge install? |
| 00:38.27 | jetscreamer | !real kernel |
| 00:38.27 | dpkg | i heard real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search ... |
| 00:38.32 | flixil | nanit gent |
| 00:38.58 | Flimzy | atm: The short answer: you don't. |
| 00:39.03 | nvz | uncleboy: he is happy learning, and doesnt mind.. his system is installed now, he can apt-get update to sarge now wihtout burning a cd and reinstalling.. what would he gain from reinstalling? |
| 00:39.05 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: real kernel =~ s/something you shoudl compile yourself for maximum performace // |
| 00:39.06 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: that doesn't contain 'something you shoudl compile yourself for maximum performace ' |
| 00:39.11 | Flimzy | atm: The intermediate answer: Why are you asking me? |
| 00:39.12 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: real kernel =~ s/something you should compile yourself for maximum performace // |
| 00:39.13 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'something you should compile yourself for maximum performace ', dondelelcaro |
| 00:39.13 | BadMan | whats a good "viewer" for ty where I can scrolla round in it with arros? |
| 00:39.19 | Flimzy | atm: The long answer: Copy the data elsewhere, rezise, copy back. |
| 00:39.26 | jetscreamer | alsa is a pita woody->sarge, but other than that, nothing |
| 00:39.30 | dvs | BadMan: less |
| 00:39.30 | nvz | uncleboy: he just didnt know he had to install a "real kernel" for usb and sound support and stuff.. thats really easy to do |
| 00:39.31 | EJ | I got error initalizing sound driver,what should I do? |
| 00:39.36 | ye_old | damn, I can't play a simple dvd in debian! neither xine nor mplayer |
| 00:39.49 | dvs | EJ: Panic |
| 00:39.50 | narg | peer |
| 00:39.59 | Flimzy | atm: The other long answer: Some filesystems may allow resizing partitions under certian circumstances that I know nothing about b/c I've never wanted to resize a Linux partition, so (going back to the intermediate question) ask someone who knows/cares. |
| 00:39.59 | ciphergoth | dpkg: real kernel =~ s/something you should compile yourself for maximum performance // |
| 00:39.59 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'something you should compile yourself for maximum performance ', ciphergoth |
| 00:40.00 | narg | your dvd drive set to the right symlink yeold? |
| 00:40.04 | EJ | dvs> hehe dude :-) but for real? |
| 00:40.09 | uncleboy | up in an hour or less and a clear shot from start to finish. but you know far more than i do, so teach him and me more |
| 00:40.10 | Flimzy | ye_old: You need to install the proper packages |
| 00:40.18 | ciphergoth | dpkg: real kernel =~ s/something you should compile yourself for maximum performance// |
| 00:40.18 | dpkg | ciphergoth: that doesn't contain 'something you should compile yourself for maximum performance' |
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| 00:40.22 | Flimzy | ye_old: like libdvdcss or somesuch |
| 00:40.22 | dvs | EJ: I don't use sound servers. Only ALSA |
| 00:40.25 | dondelelcaro | ciphergoth: it's already been fixed. |
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| 00:40.33 | Flimzy | ye_old: and possibly/likely others. |
| 00:40.38 | ciphergoth | dondelelcaro: ah - thanks! |
| 00:40.39 | jetscreamer | ye_old, you didn't get it to work yet? |
| 00:40.50 | mentor | !real kernel =~ s/woo/Woo/ |
| 00:40.50 | dpkg | mentor: OK |
| 00:40.54 | EJ | It says it'll use null output device |
| 00:41.00 | EJ | what's ALSA? |
| 00:41.06 | jetscreamer | ye_old, damn i just watched a movie with xine, that's where i was when you disconnected |
| 00:41.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:41.16 | obsmav | how do i forcebly remove an app cus i get this when i try to remove a package "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server not found. |
| 00:41.17 | obsmav | dpkg: error processing dhcp3-server (--remove): |
| 00:41.17 | obsmav | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.30 | Flimzy | EJ: Advanced Linux Sound Archectecture (IIRC) |
| 00:41.35 | jetscreamer | obsmav, dpkg --force-help |
| 00:41.41 | obsmav | lol dhcpd is in :P |
| 00:41.46 | dondelelcaro | obsmav: fix the prerm script so that it doesn't call invoke-rc.d for dhcp3-server |
| 00:41.46 | EJ | and what's this null output device?? |
| 00:41.48 | mentor | obsmav: Fixing the remove script is usually hte answer |
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| 00:41.57 | mentor | obsmav: In this case touch /etc/ini.d/dhcp3-server may work. |
| 00:41.58 | Flimzy | EJ: Or, for laypersons, it's a set of sound drivers for Linux |
| 00:41.59 | dondelelcaro | obsmav: and don't randomly remove init.d scripts unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 00:42.03 | nvz | feels later than it is for some reason |
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| 00:42.27 | Flimzy | EJ: File 13 |
| 00:42.42 | mentor | BadMan: Awww... |
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| 00:42.51 | dvs | BadMan: Get sarge |
| 00:42.53 | Flimzy | i need a Win98SE CD |
| 00:42.54 | quittt | Este aptitude nÃĢo contÃĐm Poderes de Super Vaca. |
| 00:43.03 | disasm | BadMan: are you using woody too? |
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| 00:43.12 | jetscreamer | i have a w98ebd.bin if anybody needs one :) |
| 00:43.15 | BadMan | I want to use my win98se cd as a coaster but I cant yet.. |
| 00:43.19 | BadMan | disasm yes |
| 00:43.20 | nvz | Flimzy: why you lost all your coasters and your beer is sweating and shoring out your mouse? |
| 00:43.23 | BadMan | 3.0rev4 |
| 00:43.24 | mentor | ebd? |
| 00:43.27 | Mike77 | nvz: what should I point to /dev/null ? |
| 00:43.34 | jetscreamer | boot floppy mentor |
| 00:43.45 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:43.53 | Flimzy | nvz: A coworker needs it for her lappy. She's got Win95 now and got a new printer that req's 98 |
| 00:44.00 | dondelelcaro | quittt: yes, aptitude has super cow powers. However, try asking in #debian-es |
| 00:44.00 | Flimzy | nvz: And I'm not even going to consider converting her to Linux :p |
| 00:44.14 | nvz | Mike77: the Device for the corepointer, if you want to make sure that X can load with the driver you have selected, /dev/null is a null device, it will satisfy X's need for a device it can read from.. though it wont see anything interesting.. heh |
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| 00:44.17 | quittt | !supercow |
| 00:44.17 | dpkg | methinks supercow is a game with a cow in it, or chicken's sister trying to rescue him |
| 00:44.21 | Lee__ | Flimzy: it's fun, you should try it. |
| 00:44.24 | jetscreamer | w95 rox, almost as much fun as 3.11 was |
| 00:44.29 | Flimzy | Lee__: What's fun? |
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| 00:44.41 | dondelelcaro | s/has/does not have/ |
| 00:44.41 | Lee__ | converting your co-workers to other operating systems |
| 00:44.47 | Flimzy | Lee__: ah. no. |
| 00:44.54 | Flimzy | Lee__: not when you work at Denny's |
| 00:44.58 | dvs | ha! |
| 00:44.59 | Lee__ | hell, yeah! |
| 00:45.08 | Flimzy | Lee__: I have better ways to spend my weekends than on the phone with coworkers. |
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| 00:45.15 | Lee__ | amen! |
| 00:45.17 | mrhemlock | jetscreamer, OS2 was alot better |
| 00:45.26 | dvs | yup |
| 00:45.35 | uncleboy | Flimzy: before you try a laptop install, check linux-laptop.net |
| 00:45.47 | Flimzy | uncleboy: Huh? |
| 00:45.49 | KirbyMeister | How do I make it so that each workspace has it's own wallpaper (in gnome) |
| 00:46.07 | BadMan | disasm macondo helpd me to instal a newer kernel with newer xfree86 off of idsc5 of the woody set versus disc 1 that I was using but I keep running into the same x problem flashes a couple times and crashes back to tty |
| 00:46.20 | Flimzy | uncleboy: 1) I never mentioned installing Linux on a laptop. 2) I've installed Linux on laptops in the past, and never before visited linux-laptop.net. |
| 00:46.20 | jrr | is using modules.conf in apache a debian thing? |
| 00:46.21 | nvz | Mike77: if you can load X then your only problem is USB support in the kernel to get the mouse working, and you said you had a PS adapter, so you could even try using PS2 for now, but PS2 devices have to be plugged in with the PC off and be initalized at boot, so it would be just as easy to apt-get install a new kernel-image package before you reboot and have USB support. |
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| 00:46.24 | KirbyMeister | BadMan: What is X telling you? |
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| 00:46.53 | disasm | BadMan: is this computer connected to the Internet? |
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| 00:47.09 | uncleboy | Flimzy: what is a coworker's lappy? is that a sexual reference? |
| 00:47.12 | BadMan | KirbyMeister no devices detected no screens found fatal IO error 104 |
| 00:47.15 | dvs | !find kernel-image-2.4 woody |
| 00:47.18 | zylogue | I am having a slight challenge with debian and X on an IBM T21 thinkpad. I have a stationary 'X' in the middle of the screen. my mouse cursor works jsut fine. |
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| 00:47.29 | Flimzy | uncleboy: No. It's a laptop computer belonging to a coworker. |
| 00:47.30 | BadMan | disasm just a sec let me try the inet from it... |
| 00:47.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.4' returned no results. |
| 00:47.33 | KirbyMeister | BadMan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8686 |
| 00:47.36 | EJ | how do I kill all konqueror proccess?? |
| 00:47.39 | KirbyMeister | *xfree86 |
| 00:47.47 | Mike77 | nvz: ok, I got a blank screen now. I guess the mouse problem is solved, but still have video problems. |
| 00:47.56 | Flimzy | uncleboy: But if you were paying any attention, you would have noticed that I said she wanted to install Win98... and also that I said I was refusing to convert her to Linux. |
| 00:47.57 | KirbyMeister | Ej: Go to terminal, type 'killall konqueror' |
| 00:48.09 | disasm | Mike77: what kind of video problems? |
| 00:48.11 | _gentgeen_ | Trying to set up a USB multi-card reader, and I keep seeing -- "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device" option in the kernel must be enabled -- Can I do this with modconf or do I have to compile my own kernel?? |
| 00:48.11 | uncleboy | do it |
| 00:48.18 | uncleboy | don't refuse |
| 00:48.19 | nvz | Mike77: black screen or what? |
| 00:48.25 | EJ | 10x |
| 00:48.26 | BadMan | it resolves but ping doesnt seem to be working.... |
| 00:48.29 | Mike77 | nvz: black screen |
| 00:48.37 | Flimzy | uncleboy: If she asks, I'll point her in the right direction. Until then, i'll just give her a copy of Win98. |
| 00:48.48 | BadMan | KirbyMeister done that dpkg numerous times now |
| 00:48.57 | Mike77 | nvz: the monitor seems to have signal, the LED is not blinking |
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| 00:49.10 | disasm | _gentgeen_: do you have usb-storage support in your current kernel, and what dev are you using? |
| 00:49.17 | nvz | Mike77: guess maybe that vesa driver wont work afterall, thats what getting rid of the mouse error tells you :P |
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| 00:49.29 | KirbyMeister | BadMan: Oh. Are you using the advanced configuration for your monitor? |
| 00:49.36 | Mike77 | nvz: I can't even switch to the root user with CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 00:49.45 | nvz | Mike77: I honestly dont see support documented for that video card anywhere on Xfree86.org |
| 00:49.47 | BadMan | tried it with simple and with adavnced |
| 00:49.50 | _gentgeen_ | disasm, yes - and a ImageMate 5 in 1 Reader |
| 00:49.54 | KirbyMeister | Is it possible to have multiple wallpapers with gnome? |
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| 00:50.10 | _gentgeen_ | I can see the SD card, it comes up as /dev/sda1 |
| 00:50.19 | disasm | _gentgeen_: modprobe usb-storage first, and by dev i meant devfs or udev |
| 00:50.27 | BadMan | KirbyMeister I have my book for monitor (KDS KF-70) and inputed from the specs what it asked for |
| 00:50.28 | Mike77 | nvz: I guess the solution is to upgrade ? sarge.... |
| 00:50.33 | _gentgeen_ | disasm, O sorry |
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| 00:50.46 | KirbyMeister | BadMan: Oh. Are you using the right driver? |
| 00:50.54 | EJ | how does the emule with webinterface only called? |
| 00:51.00 | ye_old | ho can I transer files from one linux machine to another? mounting? how and if, how does it work via ssh? I can connect but can't share files |
| 00:51.07 | Mike77 | nvz: I guess my Debian crashed.... first time ! |
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| 00:51.12 | nvz | Mike77: you could try, that would give you Xfree86 4.3.0 but like I say, they list a 6326 in both 4.1.0 and 4.3.0 but no 86C326 |
| 00:51.12 | disasm | ye_old: scp of course ;-) |
| 00:51.14 | _gentgeen_ | How can I tell if I am using devfs or udev, -- Sorry not famliar with that |
| 00:51.24 | nvz | Mike77: na it screwed your display.. heh |
| 00:51.26 | BadMan | KirbyMeister nVidia eGeForce MX 4000 AGP (agpgart is loaded from lsmod) I selected nv driver |
| 00:51.32 | nvz | Mike77: blinded you |
| 00:51.40 | ye_old | disasm: scp? |
| 00:51.47 | mentor | ye_old: You can either use a network filesystem which plugs directly into the kernel VFS layer, or you can use HTTP, FTP, SFTP or a scp which copies files over SSH. |
| 00:51.53 | Flimzy | BadMan: You'll want to build your own driver for that. |
| 00:51.55 | goodtod | what kernel do stable and testing use? |
| 00:51.56 | KirbyMeister | BadMan: oh |
| 00:52.05 | ye_old | ah nice |
| 00:52.05 | Flimzy | goodtod: whichever one you install |
| 00:52.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.09 | Mike77 | nvz: gotta get a another video card then. |
| 00:52.12 | BadMan | Im certainly not ready to do that.... |
| 00:52.23 | Mike77 | nvz: you mind answering a few dumb questions? |
| 00:52.24 | goodtod | Flimzy: OK, thanks |
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| 00:52.46 | nvz | Mike77: either that or maybe find a live distro perhaps even one that offers X.org instead of Xfree86, easier than installing again or upgrading to find out it wont work |
| 00:52.52 | nvz | Mike77: its onboard video now right? |
| 00:52.57 | Flimzy | goodtod: as for which is the default kernel, I have no idea... I rarely care, since I always install my own new kernel immediately after install anyway. |
| 00:53.25 | Mike77 | nvz: no, it is AGP. Unfortunately I don't have another one with me right now and my other two boxes are brand new |
| 00:53.25 | EJ | Which browser is faster for p.2 350mhz with 32 mb ram:glinks/firefox? |
| 00:53.30 | BadMan | btw I had a SuSe 8.1 Live eval taht ran great on the same box and it had an older xfree... thats what makes all this so odd |
| 00:53.32 | jetscreamer | #kanotix is 99.9% debian sid and supports hd install nvidia and ati fully |
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| 00:53.51 | Mike77 | nvz: is X-Window the only GUI ? |
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| 00:54.00 | nvz | Mike77: yeah. pricewatch could find you a cheap well supported card if you could spare a few $ to order one. |
| 00:54.03 | jetscreamer | xorg and xfree86 are 2 |
| 00:54.06 | _gentgeen_ | EJ, I'd go with glinks, don't know much bout it, but Firfox will crawl |
| 00:54.07 | ye_old | mentor: but how does this work via http if the comps have no webservers running? I just want to share files ;) |
| 00:54.10 | tyranix | ye_old: Do you plan on transferring files back and forth periodically? If so, you may want to look into unison (basically bi-directional rsync). It will work over ssh and anything that supports ocaml (linux, windows, etc). |
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| 00:54.29 | ye_old | tyranix: no just once and in one direction |
| 00:54.31 | nvz | Mike77: Xfree86 is in debian, it will be switching to X.org after sarge is finished, because of lisc issues with Xfree86 4.4.0 |
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| 00:54.53 | Mike77 | xorg and xfree86 ? I read something about KDE, GNOME and stuff, what is all that about? :$ |
| 00:54.54 | Quarupt | so i just did a clean install of debian sarge, everything is working fine, except any browser i use is going really slow, like slower than dial-up and im on cable? anyone else have this prob ever or know how to fix it? |
| 00:54.55 | EJ | don't know but I guess ff will run like a dead man because I saw konqueror works like shit |
| 00:55.09 | tyranix | ye_old: Easiest way is with scp then (included with OpenSSH). |
| 00:55.15 | disasm | Mike77: you can always cheat and get an insert cd, pop it in, and copy the xf86config file to your hd |
| 00:55.36 | mentor | ye_old: Sounds liek you want NFS... |
| 00:55.40 | EJ | which user is better for installing regular software: root or regular user? |
| 00:55.47 | jim | Mike77: x is client/server |
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| 00:55.54 | EJ | I need to login |
| 00:55.57 | BadMan | this bites I find a command try help on it and it all scolls up the screen off the tty before I can read it! |
| 00:56.02 | tyranix | mentor: For one time execution in one direction? Why not recursive scp? |
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| 00:56.06 | Quarupt | no one knows? |
| 00:56.06 | ye_old | mentor: nfs or scp... I really don't care as long as I can transfer some important files |
| 00:56.12 | jetscreamer | ej you install stuff as root, see sudo or fakeroot |
| 00:56.21 | ye_old | with windows I always made mount -t smbfs //ip/share |
| 00:56.21 | jim | BadMan: see what | does |
| 00:56.23 | jetscreamer | scp just for moving files |
| 00:56.24 | disasm | BadMan: command|less |
| 00:56.30 | EJ | that's ok,I'll login as root |
| 00:56.32 | EJ | 10x |
| 00:56.32 | ye_old | but lin/lin i don't know howto |
| 00:56.34 | uncleboy | BadMan: use shift+PgUp to scroll back |
| 00:56.37 | jetscreamer | nfs for that network drive feel |
| 00:56.38 | jim | see what | more or | less does |
| 00:56.40 | nvz | Mike77: I have an nVidia Vanta LT, and an nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra setup here.. the Vanta LT is onboard on the HP, and it works well with 3d for some basic games, I get about 50-100 fps on most games in debian, but it cant handle bzflag 2.0.. the 5200 does alot better, can play bzflag well. they are both old as hell, and can be bought for less than $50 for the Geforce or less than $20 usually for a TNT2 |
| 00:56.53 | mentor | tyranix: He said he wanted to share files... |
| 00:57.15 | mentor | ye_old: OK, so man scp. |
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| 00:57.24 | EJ | which is best gui:xdm/kdm/gdm? never heard of xdm |
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| 00:57.34 | disasm | EJ: non of those are guis |
| 00:57.35 | BadMan | nvz your card is one up on mine what did you do to get it up on woody? |
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| 00:57.43 | Quarupt | SO can anyone help me or point me in the right direction? |
| 00:57.43 | EJ | x servers,w/e |
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| 00:57.54 | jetscreamer | EJ, you don't want xdm... kdm if you use kde, gdm if you use gnome more |
| 00:58.03 | EJ | which is faster? |
| 00:58.04 | disasm | EJ: i like startx personally |
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| 00:58.20 | jetscreamer | EJ, both are the same |
| 00:58.23 | nvz | Mike77: I hear nVidia, Matrox, and ATI are the top three there is support for some SiS and others.. but from my experience the nVidia work easily and the ATI are a pain, I never had a matrox. you know where to look http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html is the driver listing for the Xfree86 in sarge. |
| 00:58.24 | Quarupt | lol EJ |
| 00:58.26 | ye_old | mentor: I'm already on that :) |
| 00:58.26 | EJ | startx? isn't it the command which run xserver? |
| 00:58.35 | nvz | Mike77: so if you think about getting a card, think about getting one supported there |
| 00:58.36 | disasm | EJ: if you want fast, theres always the better wm's fluxbox/xfce/icewm |
| 00:58.51 | jetscreamer | not exactly, X starts the server framework i think |
| 00:58.52 | EJ | but I already installed the kdm :-((( |
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| 00:59.05 | jetscreamer | ej kdm is fine |
| 00:59.09 | disasm | EJ: yeah, i like coming to a console and then starting x, i despise graphical logins |
| 00:59.11 | quittt | the lunatic is in my head |
| 00:59.11 | zbowling | debian overflow? |
| 00:59.12 | Quarupt | Is there a limewire package for debian? |
| 00:59.12 | zbowling | lol |
| 00:59.15 | jetscreamer | EJ, try them all |
| 00:59.22 | Blissex | Quarupt: yes. |
| 00:59.30 | EJ | will it make a big difference if i use xfce or something? |
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| 00:59.32 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, Thanks for the help earlier im using Sarge now and my X is working fine |
| 00:59.35 | Blissex | Quarupt: a bit old... |
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| 00:59.39 | nvz | BadMan: haha, I havent used woody in a while. but I use the evil nvidia binary.. cause I was lazy. seems the debian way is almost as easy. and doesnt need to be rerolled everytime you change kernels |
| 00:59.40 | sun_ | anyone know how to view korean from firefox on testing |
| 00:59.40 | Mike77 | nvz: is there any other solution so I can still pay around with Debian until I get another video card ? using another GUI? |
| 00:59.47 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 00:59.51 | Mike77 | nvz: *play |
| 01:00.00 | Quarupt | Blissex, do i need to add another repository to my apt to get it? |
| 01:00.01 | nvz | Mike77: yes actually there is |
| 01:00.07 | jetscreamer | sun_, there's locales for ff i believe |
| 01:00.09 | nvz | Mike77: you could use the windows box for your X display |
| 01:00.11 | disasm | EJ: nothing better than a custom .xsession for each user with their own choice of wm and just typing startx, or you could add startx to the .bashrc |
| 01:00.18 | Blissex | Mike77: just get a Kanotix/Knoppix CD.... |
| 01:00.26 | sun_ | jetscreamer do you mean i should do dpkg_reconfigure locales? |
| 01:00.27 | nvz | Mike77: install vncserver, and it acts like an X server and you can connect to it on windows with a vnc viewer |
| 01:00.35 | jetscreamer | sun_, apt-cache search firefox | grep korean or locales or something |
| 01:00.39 | Mike77 | Kanotix/Knoppix is Debian based? |
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| 01:00.52 | nvz | Mike77: yeah they are debian based, but also use Xfree86 |
| 01:00.53 | Blissex | Mike77: 99%. |
| 01:00.53 | disasm | Mike77: are you sure your video card is unsupported? |
| 01:00.54 | EJ | disasm>do u mean using text-only mode? |
| 01:00.54 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, can you help me with something else... maybe in a pm? |
| 01:00.57 | jetscreamer | Mike77, kanotix is 99.9& debian sid |
| 01:01.08 | Thanatermesis | any person have a AUTOMATIC-REPOSITORY script please ? |
| 01:01.11 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, in a while i can, i'm about to get busy :) |
| 01:01.12 | nvz | Mike77: which upstream doesnt support your card, I dont think that these people wrote in any support for it either |
| 01:01.19 | jetscreamer | Thanatermesis, apt-spy i think |
| 01:01.29 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, with what? |
| 01:01.30 | Mike77 | nvz: can you point me to a website for vncserver? |
| 01:01.35 | Blissex | Mike77: if you have VGA trouble, try the 'vesa' or the framebuffer drivers... |
| 01:01.39 | nvz | Mike77: you apt-get install vncserver |
| 01:01.44 | disasm | EJ: i mean starting x manually instead of having a gui login, so you come to login: put in your user and pass and if you want to go into x type startx, modify your .xsession with your wm choice and what not |
| 01:01.51 | nvz | Mike77: for windows, you goto realvnc.com and download the viewer program |
| 01:01.57 | Mike77 | disasm: I'm not sure. My card is 86C326 and XFree supports 6336. |
| 01:02.04 | EJ | got ya |
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| 01:02.11 | EJ | too complicated for me right now |
| 01:02.24 | nvz | Mike77: you run say vncserver --depth 16 --geometry 800x600, would give you a 800x600x16 desktop to connect to from Windows |
| 01:02.32 | Thanatermesis | no jetscreamer, I need to create my personal debian-packages repository... Im have created the .deb files and need to create the special files for create one repository |
| 01:02.46 | Thanatermesis | sorry for my english |
| 01:02.47 | disasm | Mike77: download insert from insert.cd boot off of it, and see if it gets to x, if it does, your card is supported, and you can just steal that xf86config it generates for you |
| 01:02.53 | Quarupt | something is wrong with my network now, it takes for ever to load a web page forever to connect to an irc server forever to connect to a debian mirror, and i have no clue why |
| 01:03.21 | BadMan | disasm I jsut read through the /var/log/XFree86.0.log from start to finish with nano(pico variant?) |
| 01:03.24 | Mike77 | nvz: let me get this straight... I'm going to run linux/debian from windows ? or are you suggesting installing debian in parallel with windows ? |
| 01:03.28 | Blissex | Quarupt: use 'host' to get the IP addresses of sites, and then use the IP address instead of the site name... if this is faster, you have a DNS problem. |
| 01:03.37 | ye_old | wow, scp rulez !!! :D |
| 01:03.39 | nvz | Mike77: no the programs and X server all run on the debian system |
| 01:03.43 | Quarupt | good idea |
| 01:03.52 | nvz | Mike77: you are just viewing it from windows where you have a working display card with drivers |
| 01:04.02 | ciphergoth | dmesg indicates that my 2.6 kernel has found my soundcard, but when alsamixer tries to open /dev/snd/controlC0 it gets ENODEV. Any idea why? |
| 01:04.04 | disasm | Mike77: vnc is a server, you have to computers, vnc in from the windows one |
| 01:04.10 | Quarupt | But when i booot under knoppix, everything is fast like normal, thats why i think its a client side thing |
| 01:04.19 | BadMan | disasm the only things I see wrong is (--) Assiging... (EE) No devices detected but the log shows that pciscan finds the primary card at 01:05:0 |
| 01:04.27 | Blissex | ciphergoth: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxSoundAlSA.html#troubleshooting |
| 01:04.43 | Quarupt | Blissex, Howcome everything works fine when i boot under knoppix |
| 01:04.45 | ciphergoth | Blissex: cheers, checking it out now. |
| 01:04.52 | disasm | BadMan: try a live cd, that's the best way to troubleshoot an X problem |
| 01:05.04 | disasm | BadMan: i suggest insert from insert.cd |
| 01:05.04 | Blissex | Quarupt: probably bad DNS config.... But it is a wild guess. |
| 01:05.17 | BadMan | disasm tried with suse 8.1 all worked fine |
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| 01:05.27 | Quarupt | BOX420:/home/sean# synaptic |
| 01:05.31 | Quarupt | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 01:05.31 | Quarupt | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 01:05.31 | Quarupt | (synaptic:2512): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 01:05.32 | Quarupt | BOX420:/home/sean# |
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| 01:05.36 | disasm | BadMan: you could always copy your suse x config and see if it works |
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| 01:05.46 | nvz | Mike77: it vncserver actually doesnt even require X, you can install virtually any X desktop or program and run it through vnc, its just not going to be real hot for playing say tuxpuck where you need the mouse to work in real time to hit a puck across the network, but you could probably get away with most things.. the latency isnt horrible, its just not real-time |
| 01:05.54 | Quarupt | sorry |
| 01:05.57 | Thanatermesis | I need to create my personal debian-packages repository... Im have created the .deb files and need to create the special files for create one repository |
| 01:05.57 | Quarupt | wrong chan |
| 01:06.05 | uncleboy | nvz: from the hardware compatibility howo: SiS 6326SiS6326XF86_SVGAsis |
| 01:06.07 | BadMan | disasm not anymore... formatted... |
| 01:06.12 | disasm | BadMan: the advantage of a livecd that's debian based, is usually you can just copy the xf86config file to your hard drive and it will work |
| 01:06.12 | Quarupt | it says that when i try to start synaptic...? |
| 01:06.29 | nvz | uncleboy: a 6326 is not a 86C326 |
| 01:06.35 | nvz | uncleboy: notice the difference? |
| 01:06.38 | BadMan | ok so what live eval debian based should I dl ..? |
| 01:06.43 | uncleboy | yes |
| 01:06.46 | Mike77 | nvz: gotcha |
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| 01:06.47 | nvz | uncleboy: both 4.1.0 and 4.3.0 document support for 6236 |
| 01:06.51 | uncleboy | excuse me |
| 01:06.54 | disasm | BadMan: insert from insert.cd |
| 01:06.59 | BadMan | ok |
| 01:07.12 | Mike77 | disasm: what is the insert.cd ? |
| 01:07.13 | uncleboy | nvz: I'm feeling frustrated for Mike77 |
| 01:07.16 | Quarupt | anyone know why i would be having probs starting synaptic with that error? |
| 01:07.43 | ciphergoth | Blissex: the troubeshooting guide suggests that ENODEV means I haven't got the relevant /dev entry |
| 01:07.46 | Blissex | Quarupt: yes. |
| 01:07.49 | disasm | BadMan: Mike77: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/insert/INSERT-1.2.18_de.iso?download |
| 01:07.56 | ciphergoth | but that's wrong - the entry is there, or I'd get an ENOENT. |
| 01:08.02 | Blissex | ciphergoth: yes, and also tells you further checks... |
| 01:08.16 | nvz | uncleboy: heh, he's cool. he's not in a hurry. he's looking to learn more about pc's and he's determined.. he will get where he's going.. right now he just wants to play with something and well his video card doesnt seem to be supported by XFree86 <= 4.3.0 and thus debian |
| 01:08.29 | disasm | Mike77: it's a very small 50M debian that you can burn to a cd and boot off of |
| 01:08.34 | nvz | uncleboy: its not the end of the world. |
| 01:08.37 | uncleboy | nvz: you're right |
| 01:08.59 | EJ | what's the differnce between knode and kmail? |
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| 01:09.26 | EJ | which is ICQ client is fastest? |
| 01:09.30 | BadMan | jeez.... this just gets worse and worse the only cd in my deb box to be is my burner no other burners in house.... the site is in German? I cant read it.... brain is fried as of know |
| 01:09.31 | nvz | Mike77: the small live cd is a good idea over installing a new system or upgrading, will let you see if in fact your display is supported or not without any install or configuration |
| 01:09.33 | ye_old | I have ONE reeeeeally big problem: I can't use xine and mplayer to play dvd's: mplayer hangs itself and xine says, there is no mrtt support in the kernel (standard debian 2.4 kernel from the sarge.iso-image) |
| 01:09.44 | Mike77 | disasm: cool! in these two last days I downloaded aroun 10GB of ISO images and burned over 12CDs. I have 3CDs left... :) starting to download the insert.cd |
| 01:10.11 | Mike77 | nvz: the small live cd is the insert.cd ? |
| 01:10.22 | Quarupt | How can i setup an Identd server? |
| 01:10.29 | nvz | Mike77: there are a lot of them, I never heard of this one.. I might check it out myself |
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| 01:10.46 | ciphergoth | Blissex: /proc/asound/cards reports no soundcards. But lsmod lists snd_via82xx |
| 01:11.15 | ye_old | <b><font color="#262c55">sorry "mtrr" support missing in kernel</font></b> |
| 01:11.15 | mrhemlock | Quarupt, apt-get install identd || or other identd ... |
| 01:11.48 | mrhemlock | Quarupt, apt-cache search identd |
| 01:11.55 | Quarupt | it says package not found? |
| 01:12.05 | ciphergoth | dmesg says: via82cxxx: Six channel audio available |
| 01:12.06 | user01 | is a pci express video card worth it for someone who spends most of his time editing image and video files? |
| 01:12.16 | disasm | Mike77: it's an invaluable tool, I do computer repairs at a computer shop and it's my primary toy, i actually modified it to go on the ultimate boot cd, to go along with all my other toys |
| 01:12.40 | Flimzy | user01: Any PCI video card will suck for doing large amounts of graphical anything. |
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| 01:12.48 | Flimzy | user01: With perhaps a very short list of exceptions. |
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| 01:13.02 | Mike77 | disasm: that's a good idea. How do you integrate Debian into ultimate bood cd ? |
| 01:13.19 | heloo | anyone know why vfat not showing in /proc/filesystems? |
| 01:13.24 | user01 | Flimzy: you include pci express when you say that? |
| 01:13.33 | Quarupt | mrhemlock why cant i tab complete your name? |
| 01:13.48 | Blissex | ciphergoth: bad bad news. |
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| 01:14.00 | Quarupt | can someone help me firgure out this network thing please? |
| 01:14.11 | Blissex | ciphergoth: that means that whatever chipset you have is not recognized by the driver you have loaded. |
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| 01:14.23 | Quarupt | its really annoying and i dunno where to start |
| 01:14.30 | ciphergoth | oh, duck. |
| 01:14.44 | Flimzy | user01: If it's a PCI card, most likely. |
| 01:14.45 | mrhemlock | Quarupt, i dont koq |
| 01:14.48 | Blissex | ciphergoth: some variants of the VIA chipset are only supported by the very latest ALSA drivers (1.0.8 or even CVS) |
| 01:14.52 | disasm | Mike77: i did it the long way, but the short and easy way is listed on the ultimatebootcd's website |
| 01:15.02 | Quarupt | whats the first char in your nick?> |
| 01:15.04 | nrodriguez | i can't seem to set $LANG to english. i've dpkg-reconfigure locale and chosen english as the default. this works fine as long as i don't reboot at which point it goes back to german. this is confirmed with an 'echo $LANG' giving output "de_DE@euro" |
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| 01:15.09 | Flimzy | user01: There are very few "good" PCI cards on the market (by "good" I mean relative to other cards on the market today) |
| 01:15.18 | Bigup | gi |
| 01:15.19 | ciphergoth | Blissex: great weirdness - I have persuaded it to appear in /proc/asound/cards |
| 01:15.26 | user01 | Flimzy: umm i thought Pci express is faster than agp 8x |
| 01:15.27 | Mike77 | all: going to grab something to eat. I will keep on trying in 15min. I won't be able to sleep if I can't get my Debian box up and running :) See ya later |
| 01:15.30 | nvz | Mike77: debian has a pacakge called bootcd, which is how these debian-based cds are made, you setup the running debian system and the bootcd package can take the running system and put it on a livecd, and even take it off the cd and install it back to pc's. |
| 01:15.31 | mrhemlock | Quarupt, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:15.33 | ciphergoth | I ran "alsaconf" and the result was that all my sound modules were unloaded |
| 01:15.34 | Blissex | Mike77: the ''full'' version of the UBCD already has a tiny version of Debian built in. |
| 01:15.39 | Flimzy | user01: ah... that I don't know |
| 01:15.43 | thoreauputic | Quarupt: it's an m |
| 01:15.46 | ciphergoth | then I hand-modprobed snd_via82xx |
| 01:15.47 | Blissex | ciphergoth: great are your powers of driver persuasion :-) |
| 01:15.51 | ciphergoth | now it's there! |
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| 01:15.56 | Quarupt | mrhemlock, okay here we go for some reason the m shows up as a block |
| 01:15.57 | ciphergoth | Strange, or weird? |
| 01:16.08 | Mike77 | thanks, I didn't know that UBCD had Debian |
| 01:16.10 | simonrvn | alsaconf is a POS. use your CLI skillz |
| 01:16.12 | Blissex | ciphergoth: now continue with the various troubleshooting steps. |
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| 01:16.23 | nrodriguez | any ideas? |
| 01:16.44 | Mike77 | 5min remaining to get insert.cd. Will be back in 10min. Thanks to all of you! |
| 01:16.45 | Blissex | Mike77: only the ''full'' version and it has DSL IIRC. An no, it is RIP instead, now I remember... |
| 01:16.52 | Flimzy | user01: I'm sure there are web sites for graphics enthusiasts that will have reviews of such cards for your application. |
| 01:16.58 | user01 | Flimzy: yes i dont mean im thinking about a pci graphics card i mean a pci express graphics card |
| 01:17.20 | ciphergoth | Blissex: alsamixer now works, so I'm on a home run. But! |
| 01:17.25 | simonrvn | pci-x, or express? AFAIK they're different beats |
| 01:17.25 | disasm | Mike77: http://www.sadyc.net/anyCDintoUBCD.html |
| 01:17.34 | Flimzy | user01: Of course for 2D editing, you won't be pushing nearly enough graphics data to even touch 1x AGP. |
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| 01:17.35 | simonrvn | beasts* |
| 01:17.38 | ciphergoth | When I reboot, it'll stop working, unless I use this magic. I wonder what is going on? |
| 01:17.47 | Flimzy | user01: So the bus speed is not going to be your bottleneck. |
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| 01:17.51 | user01 | Flimzy: well i dont know if it overkill unless i want to play doom3 at 1600 resolution |
| 01:17.59 | Varanger | please! I need help.... |
| 01:18.10 | Varanger | hello alll! |
| 01:18.12 | simonrvn | !tel Varanger about ask |
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| 01:18.19 | simonrvn | !tell Varanger about ask |
| 01:18.29 | BadMan | ok i ran dpkg-reconfigure .. changed the drive to vga inputed PCI:01:05:0 for identifier this time when x crashed out said that VGA(0) cannot support 24 depth |
| 01:18.44 | obsmav | what is the debian command to install perl mods through the cpan installer thing i for got |
| 01:18.55 | simonrvn | BadMan: you don't need an identifier if there's only one video device |
| 01:19.02 | Bigup | i have a problem, a have no more kde menus, and nothing in kcontrol..... i searched google, and i have no more /etc/menu-methods/kdebase, and the only package which give this file is kdebase(debian site), when a reinstall kdebase, dpkg -L show that it's not in this package .... lots of time to config the system, and the menus fly away |
| 01:19.06 | Varanger | simonrvn: I've been working with Debian and apt-get for about 2 years |
| 01:19.06 | disasm | ciphergoth: did you update-rc.d alsa defaults |
| 01:19.07 | Flimzy | user01: For most 2D editing, standard PCI has way more than enough _bus bandwidth_. The reason PCI sucks for such things has more to do with the fact that mfgr's don't make PCI vid cards any more, so PCI cards will be old... or for very select audiences (and thus very expensive) |
| 01:19.08 | BadMan | at least this time it saaid screens found |
| 01:19.19 | user01 | simonrvn: pci express isnt it? |
| 01:19.31 | Varanger | today, I was "apt-get upgrading..." when suddenly it died |
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| 01:19.38 | disasm | BadMan: thats because vga doesn't support 24 bit color |
| 01:19.38 | Blissex | ciphergoth: sometimes with some chipsets one has to reset the chip a couple of times... |
| 01:19.40 | simonrvn | obsmav: sudo perl -MCPAN -eshell |
| 01:19.48 | obsmav | thanx |
| 01:19.53 | BadMan | what color depth does cga support? |
| 01:19.53 | disasm | BadMan: i think 256 color is the highest vga supports |
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| 01:19.56 | simonrvn | obsmav: better idea is to use dh-make-perl |
| 01:20.00 | BadMan | ok |
| 01:20.04 | Varanger | simonrvn: I rebooted the system and continued the process |
| 01:20.11 | ciphergoth | disasm: I didn't let alsaconf change my config |
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| 01:20.19 | ciphergoth | Blissex: argh! |
| 01:20.28 | ciphergoth | bbiab |
| 01:20.33 | BadMan | i gues I should go to nvidias website and see exactly what chipset is on my geforce mx 4000 |
| 01:20.37 | disasm | ciphergoth: i think alsa needs to start and stop on startup to save alsa settings on reboot |
| 01:20.43 | Bigup | someone can give me it's /etc/menu-methods/kdebase please ! |
| 01:20.48 | disasm | BadMan: it's an nv? |
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| 01:21.08 | Flimzy | BadMan: CGA has a 16-color pallete, with up to 4 (counting black) displayed at once, IIRC. |
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| 01:21.13 | Varanger | but whenever I do a "apt-get upgrade", I received this message: |
| 01:21.18 | user01 | im in a building mood again and want to build a new workstation...graphics cards always stump me |
| 01:21.19 | Varanger | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libtiff4_3.7.1-4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 01:21.19 | Varanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.19 | Varanger | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 01:21.19 | Varanger | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 01:21.19 | Varanger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:21.33 | Varanger | simonrvn: what can I do? |
| 01:21.35 | simonrvn | !tell Varanger about paster |
| 01:21.37 | Flimzy | BadMan: So I guess that's 2-bit color depth, right? |
| 01:21.39 | simonrvn | !tell Varanger about paste |
| 01:21.43 | disasm | BadMan: set Driver "nv" |
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| 01:22.00 | simonrvn | Varanger: and you've been using debian for 2 years? sheesh |
| 01:22.03 | Quarupt | !tell Varanger about dpkg |
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| 01:22.14 | Bigup | Varanger : dpkg -i --force-overwrite <deb > if you control the error |
| 01:22.16 | simonrvn | i'm going on 2 years, and i know how to fix that |
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| 01:22.44 | Varanger | simonrvn: you rock! |
| 01:22.54 | Varanger | simonrvn: first time, it happens.... :( |
| 01:23.10 | Flimzy | I can't even remember when I first used Debian |
| 01:23.17 | Flimzy | was probably in 97 or 98 |
| 01:23.24 | Quarupt | Varanger, can ya help me with this network problem? |
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| 01:23.46 | Varanger | Quarupt: Tell me... I 'll do my best |
| 01:23.52 | Bigup | Varanger : can give me it's /etc/menu-methods/kdebase please ! |
| 01:23.52 | disasm | Flimzy: was whenever potato came out for me |
| 01:24.09 | Flimzy | I started with bo... or hamm... whichever was first (bo I think) |
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| 01:24.27 | Flimzy | I think 'hamm' was frozen when I started |
| 01:24.35 | obsmav | how do i fix errors like these ? |
| 01:24.36 | obsmav | Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 83, <GEN1> line 6. |
| 01:24.36 | obsmav | Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 83, <GEN1> line 8. |
| 01:24.36 | Flimzy | but I waited until it was frozen to upgrade |
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| 01:24.46 | mrhemlock_ | << stil has yrgrasil .99 cd |
| 01:24.51 | Quarupt | Varanger, well i just did a clean install of sarge installed x and kde, now its taking me like 20 seconds to connect to a debian mirror or to load google... |
| 01:25.07 | Varanger | and? |
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| 01:25.15 | Varanger | 20 secs... it's a lot |
| 01:25.18 | Bigup | Quarupt dns problems |
| 01:25.18 | Quarupt | and im on cable |
| 01:25.25 | Varanger | have you tried if your dns are right? |
| 01:25.25 | Flimzy | Quarupt: Your DNS is not properly configured |
| 01:25.32 | Bigup | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:25.33 | Quarupt | how do i check my dns config? |
| 01:25.40 | BadMan | nv driver says no devices detected |
| 01:25.45 | Bigup | show me the contents |
| 01:25.46 | Quarupt | how do i configure it correctly |
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| 01:25.53 | Bigup | hehe |
| 01:25.58 | disasm | Quarupt: probly the simplest file ever, /etc/resolv.conf, all it has in it is a list of dns servers |
| 01:26.02 | Quarupt | Bigup, you talking to me? |
| 01:26.06 | Bigup | yes |
| 01:26.13 | Quarupt | okay one sec |
| 01:26.15 | Flimzy | disasm: It's not _as_ simple if he's using DHCP (and he probably is, if he's on cable) |
| 01:26.19 | disasm | Quarupt: check with your isp what your dns servers should be |
| 01:26.23 | Quarupt | i cant paste it here |
| 01:26.29 | Bigup | gi lines yes |
| 01:26.30 | Flimzy | Quarupt: how many lines is it? |
| 01:26.33 | Quarupt | i will paste in #flood |
| 01:26.36 | nvz | buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, sid is the order that has been determined so far |
| 01:26.41 | Flimzy | Quarupt: If it's more than 2 lines, paste it in #flood instead |
| 01:26.45 | Bigup | join #flood |
| 01:27.03 | nvz | Potato was released July 13th, 2002 |
| 01:27.16 | Quarupt | search hsd1.wa.comcast.net. |
| 01:27.19 | Quarupt | nameserver 68.87.66.196 |
| 01:27.19 | Quarupt | nameserver 68.87.64.196 |
| 01:27.23 | nvz | er August 14, 2000 |
| 01:27.30 | nvz | that was the version of potato I had |
| 01:27.37 | nvz | I had r7 |
| 01:27.53 | nvz | or maybe it was r6 |
| 01:27.57 | ciphergoth-fiddl | except that sid is always last |
| 01:27.57 | nvz | who knows |
| 01:27.57 | Bigup | ping the first nameserver |
| 01:27.58 | Varanger | Debian is N° 6 in Distrowatch :'( |
| 01:28.06 | ciphergoth-fiddl | 0.93r6 IIRC |
| 01:28.07 | Quarupt | okay |
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| 01:28.15 | seb_ | hi yall |
| 01:28.17 | Bigup | how many ? |
| 01:28.19 | ciphergoth-fiddl | or was it 0.96r3? It was all a long time ago... |
| 01:28.29 | seb_ | what might have happened if suddenly when rebooting my box grub gives me an error 15 ? |
| 01:28.30 | Flimzy | I started with bo, and have had probably every version since (including r's) |
| 01:28.38 | Flimzy | Quarupt: You should probably remove the line beginning with 'search' |
| 01:28.43 | seb_ | it was working fine up to now, and I didn't change anything |
| 01:28.47 | Quarupt | 64 bytes from 68.87.66.196: icmp_seq=2 ttl=52 time=3369 ms |
| 01:28.56 | Quarupt | ? |
| 01:29.01 | MobyTurbo | Varanger: that's actually pretty high considering that the ranking is distorted by people inspecting new releases of distros. |
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| 01:29.13 | Flimzy | Quarupt: That will speed up DNS queries a bit. |
| 01:29.20 | Flimzy | Quarupt: altho probably not by 20 full seconds |
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| 01:29.37 | ciphergoth | Was "buzz" the pre-ELF version? |
| 01:29.47 | Quarupt | so what is my problem, if not dns? |
| 01:29.49 | Bigup | lol 3 seconds |
| 01:29.57 | Flimzy | ciphergoth: I think bo was pre-Elf, too. |
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| 01:30.11 | Flimzy | ciphergoth: But I could be confusing my early Slackware and early Debian days. |
| 01:30.13 | Bigup | it's too much 3 seconds |
| 01:30.25 | Flimzy | ciphergoth: I started with Linux pre-Elf... but don't remember if I started with Deiban pre-elf |
| 01:30.28 | Bigup | try to reload your connection |
| 01:30.30 | roo9 | what is a mlm with good exim integration and features such as web-based administration? |
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| 01:30.43 | Flimzy | roo9: Multi-Level Marketing? |
| 01:30.47 | Quarupt | and howcome everytime i try to start an x app from the console, its says it couldnt connect ? |
| 01:30.49 | ciphergoth | Flimzy: no, I don't think so, because I only caught the tail end of the pre-Elf Debian days, but I remember Buzz, and I remember Rex coming out |
| 01:30.49 | MobyTurbo | I started with Linux kernel 0.95. Definitely pre-elf. ;-) |
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| 01:30.50 | seb_ | mail list manager |
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| 01:31.02 | Blissex | ciphergoth: I tried older versions of Debian, but they were terrible. |
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| 01:31.11 | Quarupt | Bigup, you mean like do a ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0? |
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| 01:31.16 | Flimzy | ciphergoth: Actually, come to think of it, I think you're right. bo used kernel 2.0. I only used kernel 1.3 (i.e. pre-elf) in Slackware. |
| 01:31.20 | Bigup | when a root consoel ? |
| 01:31.22 | Bigup | console |
| 01:31.26 | disasm | roo9: i would probly say mailman if you want web integration, i like minimalist myself though, but it doesn't have web integration |
| 01:31.29 | Quarupt | ya |
| 01:31.31 | Blissex | ciphergoth: before APT Debian was not a very good proposition... |
| 01:31.32 | Flimzy | ciphergoth: My desire to upgrade to kernel 2.0 was one reason I switched to Debian. |
| 01:31.39 | ciphergoth | hamm onwards were pretty good. I can't remember whether bo was any cop now. |
| 01:31.46 | Bigup | as your normal user : xhost + |
| 01:31.52 | Bigup | and then it's good |
| 01:31.53 | Flimzy | Blissex: Before APT, nothing esle was a good proposition, either. So Debian still won out :P |
| 01:31.54 | Quarupt | Bigup, Ya root console |
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| 01:32.07 | Quarupt | Bigup, what does that mean? |
| 01:32.13 | Bigup | man xhost |
| 01:32.17 | Bigup | man xhauth |
| 01:32.20 | ciphergoth | We went straight from Slackware to Debian as soon as we could. We had at least one system that had started pre-Elf, and been upgraded and upgraded, and stayed good... |
| 01:32.22 | Bigup | xauth |
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| 01:32.36 | Bigup | it's better explained |
| 01:32.36 | Quarupt | Bigup, sean@BOX420:~$ xhost + |
| 01:32.37 | MobyTurbo | I remember seeing the first SLS and Slackware releases, and thinking to myself "that sure is bloated" |
| 01:32.40 | Quarupt | access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
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| 01:32.52 | nvz | Buzz was the first release 1.1 in June 1996 and it was ELF, before that it was a.out |
| 01:32.52 | Blissex | Flimzy: before APT one had to choose RPM without APT and DPKG without APT, and RPM would win by a huge maring. |
| 01:32.54 | petemc | xhost + isnt a good idea in a networked environment |
| 01:32.56 | black-dog | what would be the most common reason for "video mode not supported" in X startup |
| 01:32.59 | Bigup | then root con connect |
| 01:33.02 | Bigup | can |
| 01:33.25 | Bigup | it's because i said to him to read the man |
| 01:33.25 | resiak | Is this a "run X apps as root" discussion? |
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| 01:33.28 | yaarg | 'ello all |
| 01:33.30 | Flimzy | I installed "Slackware 96" from 20-some floppies. Then about a year later I tried installing RH 4.2, and gave up on the ~5th failed PPP install (with no resume feature back then), so went to Debian specifically b/c of it's PPP-install w/ resume feature. |
| 01:33.34 | Bigup | yes |
| 01:33.43 | Quarupt | Bigup, here i will paste what happens when i type synaptic from a root console |
| 01:33.45 | resiak | !sux |
| 01:33.45 | Flimzy | Blissex: DPKG still won by huge margins before apt. |
| 01:33.45 | dpkg | hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 01:33.57 | resiak | That ^^ is the way to go. |
| 01:33.57 | Flimzy | Blissex: Thanks to it's far superior dependancy design. |
| 01:34.01 | Quarupt | Bigup, nm it works now |
| 01:34.02 | Bigup | ok |
| 01:34.02 | mrhemlock_ | It must almost be sunday |
| 01:34.10 | resiak | mrhemlock_: It's Sunday for over half the world. |
| 01:34.12 | Blissex | Flimzy: dont joke. DPKG is terrifyingly ugly... |
| 01:34.17 | Bigup | so i have a question : |
| 01:34.20 | dondelelcaro | either that or just use xauth and don't change XAUTHORITY |
| 01:34.24 | mrhemlock_ | resiak, I can tell |
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| 01:34.28 | nvz | by first release, I mean first with a codename, this was after Bruce Perens took over from Ian Murdoch as project leader |
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| 01:34.29 | Flimzy | Blissex: Ugly, maybe... but there were still nice frontends available then. (not as nice as now, for sure, but still nice) |
| 01:34.35 | dakine-ji | can someone help me with X |
| 01:34.35 | disasm | dakine-ji: your xf86config has a video mode not supported in it |
| 01:34.36 | dondelelcaro | but then, if you're asking how to run X things as root, this is probably too complicated for you. |
| 01:34.47 | dakine-ji | disasm ya besides that |
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| 01:34.52 | Flimzy | Blissex: I sold several RH users on Debian based on dpkg's far superior dependancy support... long before apt was around. |
| 01:34.59 | Blissex | Flimzy: nahhhh. I'd take RPM over DPKG anytime. I did too :-) |
| 01:35.02 | Quarupt | Bigup, something is really wrong, now i lost my IM connections and cant connect |
| 01:35.03 | resiak | dondelelcaro: We're fighting a losing battle, aren't we? |
| 01:35.23 | disasm | dakine-ji: besides that? what is there besides that? |
| 01:35.24 | resiak | dondelelcaro: (against Sunday) |
| 01:35.25 | keith_ | Debian3r4. Abiword 1.0.2. CUPS. How do I print Abiword docs using CUPS? |
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| 01:35.38 | Flimzy | Blissex: Well, the majority took RPM over dpkg. That doesn't mean RPM was technically superior. Just better marketed. |
| 01:35.39 | dondelelcaro | resiak: still saturday here... but it's fast approaching |
| 01:35.39 | Blissex | Flimzy: the RPM people added dependency support to RPM pretty quickly after DPKG, and lots more really important stuff.. |
| 01:35.46 | Quarupt | Bigup, so if its not DNS what ya think it is? |
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| 01:35.48 | dakine-ji | disasm : well i'm using dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:35.55 | Bigup | Quarupt : restart the whole connection |
| 01:35.56 | Flimzy | Blissex: RPM has always had dependancy support... but it's always (and still does) lag behind dpkg's. |
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| 01:35.59 | disasm | keith_: never used abiword but cupsys-bsd allows you to print to cups via lpr |
| 01:35.59 | dondelelcaro | Blissex: "really important stuff" like what? |
| 01:36.15 | dakine-ji | disasm and not choosing color depths of 1 2 4 so why are they being writen to XF86Config |
| 01:36.17 | epsilon | is it possible to compile/install debootstrap as user (non-root)? |
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| 01:36.30 | Flimzy | Blissex: And it always will. B/c to have equivolent dependancy support will require changing it to something that's no longer compatible with rpm. |
| 01:36.33 | Blissex | Flimzy: let's say I looked at it from a technical viewpoint. And the one reason I chose Debian was ''marketing''... |
| 01:36.34 | mrhemlock_ | On RH, Mandrake building from source never seemed to quite work for me |
| 01:36.37 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: compile yes, install into CWD, yes. |
| 01:36.38 | disasm | dakine-ji: well, i'm sure somewhere in it asks what video mode to use, however i haven't used dpkg-reconfigure to configure x in a while |
| 01:36.44 | dakine-ji | disasm also not choosing 640x480 but thats being written to |
| 01:36.50 | Quarupt | Bigup, how like disconnect my modem or my router? |
| 01:36.50 | resiak | !drxx dakine-ji |
| 01:36.51 | Flimzy | Blissex: Debian doesn't have any marketing (and never will) |
| 01:36.52 | Blissex | dondelelcaro: singatures and checksums... |
| 01:36.53 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: however, in order to run and actually chroot, you need to be root. |
| 01:36.53 | dpkg | dakine-ji: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:36.57 | resiak | !tell dakine-ji about x md5 |
| 01:36.58 | dondelelcaro | Blissex: that's all implemented |
| 01:37.15 | dakine-ji | dpkg have done that |
| 01:37.21 | resiak | dakine-ji: He's a bot, you fool. |
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| 01:37.24 | Flimzy | time to get laundry... brb |
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| 01:37.34 | Quarupt | Bigup, ? |
| 01:37.34 | Blissex | dondelelcaro: now, after a very long wait, and not that completely (in the repository) and it is very ugly too. |
| 01:37.47 | ciphergoth | I have sound working! And it's playing through the TV too, rar. |
| 01:37.50 | resiak | dakine-ji: Which have you done? |
| 01:37.58 | dondelelcaro | Blissex: it's been implemented almost for ever. The problem is that the tools haven't been using the signatures even though they actually exist |
| 01:38.01 | ciphergoth | I have installed Festival speech synthesiser to test it too. |
| 01:38.01 | BadMan | is anyone running woody 3.0rev4 and using an agp mx4000? |
| 01:38.04 | Qemu_DoesIT | Hello everybody. |
| 01:38.05 | apt-get | Hello everybody I've been having a hard time burning ISO on to a CD vcan anyone help me out |
| 01:38.13 | dakine-ji | diff: /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum: No such file or directory |
| 01:38.15 | apt-get | This is redclious |
| 01:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Blissex: you can't upload a package to debian unless it's been signed with a GPG key that is actually in the archive. |
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| 01:38.21 | apt-get | it';s been 3 days |
| 01:38.24 | Quarupt | Bigup, ya there? |
| 01:38.26 | Blissex | dondelelcaro: I still get ''no checksums'' on a lot of important stuff... |
| 01:38.29 | resiak | apt-get: How are you burning it? |
| 01:38.39 | disasm | BadMan: did you ever try that live cd idea? |
| 01:38.42 | apt-get | with the default cd burner |
| 01:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Blissex: then you don't have the .dsc file corresponding to the .deb |
| 01:38.45 | Qemu_DoesIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.51 | ciphergoth | My TV is staring at me, it says go to sleep, go to sleep... |
| 01:38.53 | apt-get | took 3 hours |
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| 01:38.55 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: man cdrecord, search for "EXAMPLES" |
| 01:38.57 | ciphergoth | goodnight all, thanks for your help! |
| 01:38.58 | BadMan | no burner available this windows box cant handle burning without crashing |
| 01:39.00 | resiak | apt-get: Did you choose the "burn CD image" option or similar, rather than just burning the ISO onto a CD as the only file? |
| 01:39.13 | Blissex | Qemu_DoesIT: I like QEmu too... |
| 01:39.13 | BadMan | burner in my deb box no inet access... .... |
| 01:39.13 | apt-get | I dont know |
| 01:39.14 | resiak | apt-get: I'm assuming you're burning on Windows here. |
| 01:39.20 | resiak | apt-get: Then you didn't. |
| 01:39.23 | BadMan | I cant reead .de(german?) |
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| 01:39.28 | apt-get | I clicked on the ISO then chose burn to cd thats it |
| 01:39.34 | apt-get | No debian |
| 01:39.35 | seb | k, I rescue-booted my debian CD in order to re-run grub-install and I still get an "error 15" at stage 1.5. What's going on ? |
| 01:39.35 | resiak | apt-get: On Windows? |
| 01:39.36 | apt-get | sarge |
| 01:39.38 | resiak | apt-get: Oh. |
| 01:39.41 | resiak | apt-get: Nautilus? |
| 01:39.44 | apt-get | yes |
| 01:39.49 | apt-get | Gnome |
| 01:39.51 | resiak | apt-get: Have you md5summed your iso?: |
| 01:39.55 | apt-get | no |
| 01:39.58 | JKnife | do that |
| 01:40.02 | apt-get | I dont know what that means |
| 01:40.06 | resiak | apt-get: Go check that your download isn't corrupted. |
| 01:40.08 | JKnife | google md5sum |
| 01:40.08 | resiak | Ye gods. |
| 01:40.16 | apt-get | cool how to i do that |
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| 01:40.20 | resiak | :/ |
| 01:40.24 | JKnife | download it... put it in your suystem32 folder |
| 01:40.26 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: any other possibility to create chroot envirinment where I can work as root? I need to install firefox database, which requires to write some stuff in /usr/lib (and no PREFIX option) |
| 01:40.29 | resiak | apt-get: http://www.everything2.com/?node=md5sum# |
| 01:40.32 | simonrvn | "md5sum file" |
| 01:40.34 | resiak | apt-get: http://www.everything2.com/?node=md5sum |
| 01:40.38 | Qemu_DoesIT | blissex did you try kqemu? |
| 01:40.47 | JKnife | open up a command prompt goto where you d/led it and run md5sum <isoname> |
| 01:40.53 | Qemu_DoesIT | (aka qemu accelerator?) |
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| 01:41.05 | JKnife | and compare the out put with whats on the site or in the <isoname>.md5 |
| 01:41.06 | apt-get | God the link isent working |
| 01:41.24 | resiak | apt-get: The second one? |
| 01:41.29 | apt-get | type md5sum into the command |
| 01:41.33 | apt-get | both |
| 01:41.36 | apt-get | they wont pop up |
| 01:41.49 | JKnife | apt-get on windows? |
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| 01:41.57 | JKnife | http://www.etree.org/md5com.html |
| 01:42.01 | apt-get | No I'm useing Debian as an OS |
| 01:42.10 | apt-get | i HAD NO PROBLEM BURNING dEBIAN |
| 01:42.10 | oenek | heya |
| 01:42.17 | apt-get | Sorry for the caps |
| 01:42.21 | oenek | is there a quick way to reset the xkeymap? |
| 01:42.27 | JKnife | ohh ok |
| 01:42.36 | resiak | apt-get: Read the second e2 link that I told you to. Copy and paste it into your web browser, FFS |
| 01:42.38 | apt-get | then again I used Ubuntu to burn debian |
| 01:42.39 | resiak | a/way |
| 01:42.44 | resiak | ARGH! |
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| 01:42.48 | apt-get | ok thanks |
| 01:43.30 | oenek | ? |
| 01:43.54 | resiak | oenek: Define "reset". What have you done to it? |
| 01:43.58 | Qemu_DoesIT | (yeah, right, you had problems burning debian.. haha) |
| 01:44.00 | Mike77 | awsoooooomeeee!!! I got X-window working with insert 1.2 !! This means my video card is supported by Debian ???? |
| 01:44.10 | disasm | Mike77: sweet |
| 01:44.32 | Mike77 | It even runs at a high resultion, which it didn't run on winblows 2000 !! |
| 01:44.48 | Mike77 | small detail: it is in german... |
| 01:45.06 | resiak | !ep |
| 01:45.07 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:45.17 | apt-get | The link dont work |
| 01:45.22 | disasm | Mike77: oops... i'm sorry, i must have pasted the link for the german one |
| 01:45.24 | apt-get | is it md5sum |
| 01:45.32 | apt-get | I've been at this for 3 days |
| 01:45.32 | resiak | apt-get: I pasted that link from my browser. It works, okay? |
| 01:45.43 | EJ | how do I search for a package to install using apt-get command? |
| 01:45.49 | resiak | !tell EJ about search |
| 01:45.51 | disasm | Mike77: can you copy the XF86Config-4 file from insert to your hd? |
| 01:45.53 | apt-get | I never done that yet |
| 01:45.55 | Mike77 | sorry about the punctuation |
| 01:45.59 | apt-get | I need the other iso |
| 01:46.14 | resiak | apt-get: Go get the md5sum which was on the site that you got the ISO from. |
| 01:46.17 | oenek | resiak: Well my keyboard is MS natural Pro |
| 01:46.21 | disasm | Mike77: for future reference its http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/insert/INSERT-1.2.18_en.iso?download |
| 01:46.31 | Mike77 | disasm: how can I get a terminal on X-window? |
| 01:46.34 | resiak | oenek: Fantastic. Mine's a tuxboard. Why is that relevant? |
| 01:46.41 | oenek | resiak: and I "tried" to redefine some keys to get it working outside of F-Lock mode |
| 01:46.44 | resiak | apt-get: Put it in the same directory as your iso, and run md5sum -c md5sumfile |
| 01:46.49 | resiak | oenek: How did you do that? |
| 01:46.50 | disasm | right click, then term, and then root i think it is |
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| 01:46.54 | EJ | dudes how do I search for a pacage using apt-get command? |
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| 01:47.01 | resiak | EJ: I JUST SENT YOU A DPKG FACTOID! |
| 01:47.07 | EJ | OH SORRY!! |
| 01:47.08 | Flimzy | EJ: resiak just told you. Pay attention. |
| 01:47.10 | disasm | EJ: apt-cache search |
| 01:47.12 | resiak | EJ: Sorry, it contains the wrong thing. |
| 01:47.13 | oenek | resiak: I messed up and my xkeymapping is slightly screwed. The Fuction keys won't register |
| 01:47.20 | resiak | EJ: I heartily apologise. |
| 01:47.22 | alus | how do I change the default window manager? |
| 01:47.28 | resiak | oenek: How did you do that? |
| 01:47.39 | resiak | oenek: What method did you use to remap things? |
| 01:47.43 | disasm | alus: are you using a dm or just startx, if startx, your .xsession file |
| 01:47.44 | oenek | resiak: so I need to redefine the, |
| 01:47.47 | yaarg | alus: update-alternatives |
| 01:47.51 | oenek | ok just a sec |
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| 01:48.23 | oenek | resiak: xmodmap -e "keycode 239 = XF86Documents" |
| 01:48.25 | disasm | Mike77: you get a terminal open? |
| 01:48.30 | resiak | oenek: Restart X |
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| 01:48.48 | Mike77 | disasm: I having trouble to understand german ;) |
| 01:48.53 | oenek | resiak: I have a whole slew of commands like that |
| 01:48.56 | resiak | oenek: You haven't done anything apart from run things in a terminal? |
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| 01:49.12 | disasm | Mike77: sorry about that, my fault for the wrong link |
| 01:49.15 | oenek | resiak: I was hoping I could avoid that. I have some critical stuff running |
| 01:49.22 | resiak | oenek: Save it. |
| 01:49.25 | disasm | Mike77: do ctrl alt f2 |
| 01:49.28 | Mike77 | disasm: it was my fault. You sent me ther right link but the mirror was down |
| 01:49.29 | oenek | resiak: yeah pretty much |
| 01:49.32 | resiak | oenek: Or go through and map everything back as you wanted. |
| 01:49.36 | MooglyGuy | Are there any command-line CD players for Debian? |
| 01:49.40 | resiak | oenek: There may be another method. I don't know. |
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| 01:49.47 | yaarg | MooglyGuy: cdcd |
| 01:49.50 | disasm | Mike77: then type mount /mnt/* |
| 01:49.55 | EJ | I don't understand the search command or it doesn't work |
| 01:50.00 | Mike77 | I think I got the terminal now -> :/ramdisk/home/insert # |
| 01:50.01 | MobyTurbo | MooglyGuy: there are actually several |
| 01:50.01 | resiak | MooglyGuy: apt-cache search cd player |
| 01:50.06 | resiak | EJ: apt-cache search serach terms |
| 01:50.19 | resiak | EJ: Where serach terms are the words you're searching for. |
| 01:50.37 | EJ | Oh,it works but it doesn't find glinks |
| 01:50.41 | EJ | got it |
| 01:50.47 | oenek | resiak: Well I'll probably end up restarting anyways. Thanks for the help though :-) |
| 01:51.01 | disasm | Mike77: do you remember what partition you setup for your / when you setup? |
| 01:51.09 | resiak | EJ: Maybe it's not in Debian. |
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| 01:51.21 | resiak | oenek: No problem. |
| 01:51.35 | *** part/#debian oenek (oenek@balisk.NMSU.Edu) |
| 01:51.43 | Mike77 | disasm: I think I screwed up. My keyboard is in german and get weird symbols. Is there any way of setting an us layout? |
| 01:51.44 | BadMan | aaarrggg off to get some beer im going to need it this is driving me friggin nuts |
| 01:52.05 | spidna | hi guys, just wanted to know if i change video card what would i have to do |
| 01:52.09 | resiak | !drxx spidna |
| 01:52.10 | dpkg | spidna: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:52.30 | spidna | thanks dpkg |
| 01:52.30 | dpkg | spidna: no problem |
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| 01:53.06 | disasm | Mike77: yikes, that sucks... |
| 01:53.49 | Mike77 | disam: yep, it isn't even a qwerty keyboard. I'll download the en version. |
| 01:54.08 | spidna | sorry resiak, still new into this |
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| 01:54.19 | resiak | :) |
| 01:54.31 | resiak | Mike77: You're on Knoppix? |
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| 01:54.54 | amin | hi |
| 01:54.58 | Mike77 | resiak: I'm using something called Insert 1.2 |
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| 01:55.18 | resiak | Mike77: Is that Debian? |
| 01:55.23 | amin | how can i turn my ipw2100 on ? |
| 01:55.26 | Mike77 | Actually, I'm trying to steal the config from Insert 1.2 to use it in my Debian Woody |
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| 01:55.42 | Mike77 | disasm should be able to answer that. |
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| 01:55.52 | resiak | !tell amin about ipw2100 |
| 01:55.59 | disasm | resiak: it's based on dsl, and i've used it before for stealing configs |
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| 01:56.25 | amin | resiak: yes |
| 01:56.33 | disasm | amin: is that a wireless card? |
| 01:56.37 | resiak | amin: read what the bot told you. |
| 01:56.38 | amin | resiak: yes |
| 01:56.38 | vladster | question for anyone here, I there was a weakly streamcast show done in a magazine format. What features would you be looking for int it? |
| 01:56.44 | resiak | amin: It contains instructions. |
| 01:56.53 | resiak | !tell vladster about poll |
| 01:57.07 | amin | !tell ipw2100 |
| 01:57.11 | ye_old | how can I list the packages that depend on a particular package? |
| 01:57.18 | resiak | !tell amin about ipw2100 |
| 01:57.26 | resiak | !tell amin about msgdpkg |
| 01:57.34 | resiak | !tell vladster about polls |
| 01:58.05 | amin | many thanks resiak |
| 01:58.22 | EJ | what's glinks url? |
| 01:58.25 | resiak | amin: Best of luck. Took me a little while to make my ipw2200 work, but it works fine now. |
| 01:58.32 | resiak | !fgi EJ glinks |
| 01:58.32 | dpkg | EJ: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=glinks |
| 01:58.39 | MobyTurbo | vladster: specifically? I'd be looking for a long long int, need that percision |
| 01:58.50 | robertg | FUCKINGGOOGLEIT! |
| 01:59.24 | resiak | robertg: Have you looked at it? |
| 01:59.27 | vladster | like a good 3 minute intro theme MobyTurbo? |
| 01:59.39 | robertg | resiak: Sure |
| 01:59.41 | EJ | I can't find glinks on google |
| 01:59.41 | MobyTurbo | vladster: 64 bits |
| 02:00.04 | amin | resiak: mine was running under ubuntu or gentoo but i've troubles with debian |
| 02:00.08 | vladster | We do have a bandwidth limit due to ourt budget |
| 02:00.21 | amin | resiak: i can't get ipw2100 packages |
| 02:00.29 | MobyTurbo | vladster: if you look at your lame poll message maybe you'll get my joke. SDNWOTN |
| 02:00.37 | vladster | As we can find contributors, we can up the quality |
| 02:00.52 | vladster | we are paying for it out of our own pockets |
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| 02:01.38 | vladster | I am trying to be serious |
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| 02:01.57 | MobyTurbo | vladster: FOAD |
| 02:02.06 | cafuego | simonrvn: Are you awake? |
| 02:02.09 | vladster | I am sick of media that gives me what they think I should have rather than what I want |
| 02:02.22 | EJ | bros where do i find glinks? can't find on google |
| 02:02.24 | Mike77 | disam: I thing I got it. I'm using something called emeIFM in X |
| 02:02.25 | resiak | amin: You need contrib at the end of the entries in your sources.list |
| 02:02.30 | resiak | EJ: SEARCH HARDER! |
| 02:02.33 | resiak | EJ: What the hell is it? |
| 02:02.53 | resiak | vladster: Were you the one who was going on about Microsoft taking over Linux the other day? |
| 02:03.06 | EJ | a lightweight browser |
| 02:03.30 | vladster | they were going after tha HAL |
| 02:03.30 | EJ | btw,where's all the software i installed with apt-get? |
| 02:03.39 | Mike77 | disasm: do you know where is the xconfig in the insert CD? |
| 02:03.41 | vladster | to try and recoupe the os loses |
| 02:03.52 | MobyTurbo | vladster: you've been reading too much Dvorak |
| 02:04.11 | vladster | I am waiting for their lawsuits |
| 02:04.32 | vladster | I think they may be using SCO to test the waters |
| 02:04.46 | burnt-toast | vladster: they have no hope IMHO |
| 02:04.56 | burnt-toast | vladster: SCO cant even make a decent case |
| 02:05.07 | vladster | SCOX may be delisted if they do not comply with the required reporting |
| 02:05.15 | jim | EJ: you can get dpkg to tell you where it put all the files |
| 02:05.17 | resiak | EJ: It's all around your file system in the appropriate places. Google for GLinks browser or something. It's not hard to use. |
| 02:05.25 | MobyTurbo | vladster: SCO is old news |
| 02:05.53 | vladster | THat is why M$ is studying their mistakes to make sure they don't make any of their own |
| 02:05.53 | EJ | I see that I need to search alone |
| 02:06.09 | vladster | as SCO goes belly up right now |
| 02:06.11 | resiak | EJ: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/08/msg01875.html # That took me 10 seconds to find. |
| 02:06.16 | resiak | vladster: Just shut up. |
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| 02:06.26 | jim | of course. there will be MANY times you have to do things yourself; get used to it |
| 02:06.29 | SiliconViper | GAH. My net dropped offline while downloading the packages last night. My insanity has not been tested yet. Completing it now... |
| 02:06.36 | vladster | no need to be rude |
| 02:06.48 | evolution | :P |
| 02:06.51 | disasm | Mike77: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 02:07.18 | EJ | 10x! |
| 02:07.21 | resiak | !10x |
| 02:07.21 | dpkg | Unless you mean 10 times, please spell it out: "thanks". IRC doesn't charge you by the character, nor is it AOHELL instant messenger. |
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| 02:07.32 | nokia6000 | is [ grep -e 'K' ] the best option to use if you want a captial K? since [ grep -i 'k' ] is ignore case |
| 02:07.42 | Mike77 | disasm: that's my local copy in hda. where can i find the one I'm trying to steal? |
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| 02:08.08 | Mike77 | disasm: found it under INSERT/etc |
| 02:08.09 | disasm | are you booted into INSERT? |
| 02:08.31 | MobyTurbo | nokia6000: you don't want to use "[" unless you're issuing a test(1) command |
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| 02:08.51 | emelie | ä |
| 02:09.11 | Mike77 | disasm: should I copy the entire file or select the contents that are useful to me? |
| 02:09.35 | EJ | how do I install .deb straight from url? |
| 02:09.41 | resiak | EJ: man dpkg |
| 02:09.41 | disasm | if you know what your looking for, stripping it is always better |
| 02:09.49 | resiak | !your |
| 02:09.49 | dpkg | it has been said that your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 02:09.57 | MooglyGuy | Lovely, I can't seem to mount an audio CD. Yes, that sounds stupid, but for whatever reason all of the CD players I've tried tell me no disc, and it doesn't seem to be mounted if I type 'mount'. |
| 02:10.05 | resiak | MooglyGuy: You don't mount them. |
| 02:10.07 | resiak | !faq MooglyGuy |
| 02:10.08 | EJ | what's the full command.I tried apt-get cuz I didn't know |
| 02:10.08 | dpkg | MooglyGuy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:10.12 | jim | EJ: using apt-get |
| 02:10.15 | resiak | EJ: Read the dpkg manpage |
| 02:10.20 | resiak | EJ: dpkg -i foofaajksdfkf.deb |
| 02:10.25 | EJ | gr8 |
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| 02:10.28 | resiak | !gr8 |
| 02:10.28 | dpkg | If you mean great, say so. Otherwise you're grating. |
| 02:10.28 | dao | is there a way to get bittornado 0.3.10-1 instead of the current 0.3.10-2 in unstable? |
| 02:10.37 | resiak | !sdo |
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| 02:10.38 | nokia6000 | MobyTurbo, no, i just put [ and ] there to look better. i could have used ( and ) |
| 02:10.41 | resiak | !snapshots |
| 02:10.41 | dpkg | debian snapshot is probably http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 02:10.43 | jim | EJ: OR download .deb and then use dpkg (man dpkg for info) |
| 02:10.48 | MooglyGuy | resiak: Thanks much, that link helps me. Actually, wait, damn. It doesn't. Sorry. |
| 02:10.53 | resiak | jim: Read the context: he has a deb. |
| 02:10.57 | MobyTurbo | nokia6000: it doesn't look better, it looks like a syntax error. |
| 02:11.07 | jim | he said "from url" |
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| 02:11.14 | fatal_ | dao: grab te old one from snapshots, remove (and maybee purge config files) and dpkg install the snapshot version. |
| 02:11.20 | resiak | MooglyGuy: Nor it does. It used to. |
| 02:11.24 | jim | I only answered THAT |
| 02:11.25 | Mike77 | I'm going to try it now. Thanks. Afterwards I want to update my Debian installation. Is sarge the best thing to do? |
| 02:11.28 | resiak | jim: I gave him the URL, I know what's behind it. Sorry :) |
| 02:11.38 | disasm | Mike77: yeah |
| 02:11.38 | dao | fatal_, thanks |
| 02:11.52 | resiak | MooglyGuy: Thanks for letting me know. I'll add an entry. |
| 02:11.55 | MooglyGuy | resiak: Ah well. Easy come, easy go. |
| 02:12.20 | jim | ok, cool... so you got this... give the guy some savvy, moxy and independence if you can :) |
| 02:12.37 | MooglyGuy | It's really not a huge deal, you don't really need to spend time on it if you have better things to do. I just installed the hppa build of Debian on my HP 712/80 workstation as a lark and was curious as to how well it could play CDs off of the external SCSI CD-ROM drive. ;) |
| 02:13.00 | Mike77 | Ok. I'm going to play around with it and see how far I can get. Thanks to all of you! |
| 02:13.00 | resiak | jim: I tried. |
| 02:13.14 | resiak | MooglyGuy: It's a useful thing to have in the FAQ |
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| 02:13.23 | jim | resiak: you can try weaning him off you |
| 02:13.38 | jim | "sour the milk" |
| 02:13.39 | MooglyGuy | I'm curious as to how much the standard instructions would apply. |
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| 02:14.16 | resiak | jim: I've told him the manpages to read and stuff. I also tried abuse :-) |
| 02:14.31 | resiak | tarzeau: I can't read the Wiki registration page :-) |
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| 02:15.24 | whoaz | hello debian |
| 02:15.49 | michal_ | is there anything wrong with using the same passhphrase for all 4 (or however many there are) passphrases tripwire needs? |
| 02:16.03 | bucky | !seen debian |
| 02:16.04 | dpkg | debian is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 8430 messages. Is idling for 2d 18h 5m 9s |
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| 02:16.54 | alele | !seen kov |
| 02:16.54 | dpkg | kov <~kov@kov.developer.debian> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 1d 6h 45m 49s ago, saying: 'nanda's talk was very good to attend, though she had less luck than I did and had to use translation for her english'. |
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| 02:17.22 | MobyTurbo | please /msg the bots |
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| 02:18.12 | MooglyGuy | Damn, the PA-RISC is a nice processor. I've got my HP 712/80 playing MP3s, and according to top, it's only taking up 50% CPU time on the 80MHz processor. |
| 02:18.57 | MooglyGuy | (then again, MP3 decoding is float-intensive, and I've heard that the PA-RISC is really good at FP) |
| 02:19.30 | reNegad3 | has anyone got the shuffle iPod?? and is it possible to copy music over from a linux box to the ipod? |
| 02:20.09 | resiak | !tell reNegad3 about ipod |
| 02:20.31 | disasm | BadMan: ever get your xf86config worked out? |
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| 02:21.17 | ProtectYaNeck | if any ops are alive, Type is sending onjoin spam |
| 02:22.18 | resiak | !ops Unexpected is a tard |
| 02:22.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Unexpected is a tard |
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| 02:22.25 | Unexpected | Lol... |
| 02:22.29 | Unexpected | Only got 1 person that time :) |
| 02:22.34 | Unexpected | Got 3 last time I did it |
| 02:22.42 | resiak | !ops Type Is apparently a spambot. |
| 02:22.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Type Is apparently a spambot. |
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| 02:22.51 | resiak | Unexpected: Fuck off. Stuff like that is not helpful. |
| 02:23.05 | sorahn | i dont get it, alt+f4 just takes me to my 4th workspace |
| 02:23.06 | sorahn | ... |
| 02:23.08 | sorahn | :) |
| 02:23.11 | Unexpected | Nah, but it's fun and it educates. :) They don't fall for it twice :) |
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| 02:23.16 | ireverentReveren | how do i force mkraid to work with disks that were once used in another raid? |
| 02:23.27 | yaarg | can you make a process run inside screen if it isn't already? |
| 02:23.33 | bucky | Unexpected, is that why your still using aol |
| 02:23.37 | disasm | yaarg: yeah |
| 02:23.54 | Unexpected | Not using aol |
| 02:23.57 | resiak | Unexpected: No, it's not fun. Go away. |
| 02:23.57 | disasm | yaarg: oh wait, you mean move it |
| 02:24.00 | Unexpected | just using a proxy service that goes through it |
| 02:24.03 | resiak | yaarg: No. |
| 02:24.05 | disasm | yaarg: i don't think you can |
| 02:24.05 | Unexpected | Can't help that if I want to be online |
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| 02:24.13 | yaarg | oh well |
| 02:24.16 | Unexpected | so :p |
| 02:24.19 | resiak | Dammit, where are the ops. |
| 02:24.31 | bucky | in #freenode |
| 02:24.32 | wabbittwaks | does anyone know what the program called status with rpc program number 100024 is for? it got installed by default on my sarge installation |
| 02:24.41 | roo9 | any one Type has a nice, sweet onjoin message about free porn |
| 02:24.45 | resiak | bucky: I summoned the channel ops twice... |
| 02:24.52 | resiak | roo9: I've told the ops that too. |
| 02:25.18 | bucky | and Unexpected is Type's butt buddy |
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| 02:26.01 | Unexpected | Oh boo hoo bucky, go cry me a river |
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| 02:27.28 | BadMan | ok, I give up on getting this xserver to work I guess I need to get inet access for my box and try to burn a disc in console using the sarge method... |
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| 02:27.32 | mrhemlock | !sing sunday |
| 02:27.32 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 02:28.31 | bucky | i wonder if there's an op in #gentoo |
| 02:28.52 | resiak | bucky: I daren't go in there. I might be scarred :) |
| 02:29.01 | BadMan | prolly be easier to shutdown both of these pull rw from deb box install in windows and setup nero on windows then to mess with try to burn a disc in tty |
| 02:29.04 | vchrizz | hum, could anybody help me with ssh -R ? on the client it is running: http://rafb.net/paste/results/gThqS087.html but it doesnt work? could anybody have a look please? :) |
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| 02:30.01 | resiak | BadMan: Man cdrecord... |
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| 02:30.49 | BadMan | no man entry this is still ab are isntall |
| 02:31.05 | roo9 | how do i make a private mailman list public? |
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| 02:31.34 | yaarg | if i source my .bash_profile in my .xsession will that make all enviroment variables defined in there active? |
| 02:31.34 | devoured | hello all |
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| 02:32.15 | devoured | I am going to install sarge, do you suggest minimal install or should I download all the discs, I have a dsl connection |
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| 02:32.51 | resiak | devoured: You might as well get CD1 |
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| 02:32.56 | mrhemlock | devoured, netinst is about 100megs |
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| 02:33.14 | devoured | 100 megs, that doesn't sound too bad |
| 02:33.20 | resiak | devoured: Assuming you're going to install X and everything. |
| 02:33.22 | devoured | yea I downloaded the minimal install disc |
| 02:33.37 | resiak | devoured: The point being is that you can use your computer while you're downloading ISOs, but not while you're netinsting. |
| 02:33.38 | devoured | yes X will go on there eventually |
| 02:33.47 | yaarg | devoured: you could get the DVD |
| 02:33.50 | resiak | devoured: But if you already have the netinst, use it and leave it overnight. |
| 02:33.56 | resiak | yaarg: Now that _is_ pointless :) |
| 02:33.58 | devoured | oh alright |
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| 02:34.06 | devoured | how long is the typical netinstl? |
| 02:34.06 | yaarg | resiak: save bandwidth... |
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| 02:34.19 | resiak | yaarg: Uh, how does the DVD save bandwidth?# |
| 02:34.20 | devoured | hours? |
| 02:34.26 | chewy | kline ype |
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| 02:34.30 | roo9 | yaar: how does downloading a giant dvd save bandwidth? |
| 02:34.38 | resiak | devoured: On a .5mbit dsl line? about 3 hours. |
| 02:34.39 | roo9 | chewy you mean type ? |
| 02:34.44 | yaarg | roo9: you get the dvd off somebody else... |
| 02:34.45 | devoured | cool |
| 02:34.48 | chewy | roo9: yes |
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| 02:34.52 | resiak | yaarg: Because so many people have it. |
| 02:34.54 | sorahn | i jsut got/used the netinst yesterday |
| 02:34.54 | roo9 | he left! |
| 02:34.55 | devoured | it is going to be my first try |
| 02:34.57 | yaarg | i downloaded the dvd at university |
| 02:34.59 | roo9 | good riddance type |
| 02:35.00 | sorahn | working fine |
| 02:35.01 | devoured | this is going to be interesting for sure |
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| 02:35.19 | resiak | lilo: Thanks very much. |
| 02:35.21 | yaarg | i have the dvd to give people |
| 02:35.23 | lilo | resiak: np |
| 02:35.27 | resiak | lilo: What does +E do? |
| 02:35.31 | yaarg | and you can resue it multiple times |
| 02:35.42 | roo9 | that'll teach you to bend over in front of roo9 |
| 02:35.44 | resiak | yaarg: Of course, but the packages get out of date. |
| 02:35.44 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 02:35.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, umodes is http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 02:35.47 | yaarg | download once and use many twenty times or er download twenty times |
| 02:35.48 | dondelelcaro | resiak: ^^^ |
| 02:35.50 | BadMan | ok, on my current setup i have a up and running tty with no x(just did apt-get remove x-window-system) |
| 02:35.51 | lilo | resiak: (if you like the service, the nonprofit has a fundraiser on, http://freenode.net/fundraiser.shtml ) ;) |
| 02:36.02 | devoured | any unique suggestion that I should hear before going to the install in a bit? |
| 02:36.04 | lilo | resiak: +E is 'no private messages from people not identified to nickserv |
| 02:36.05 | lilo | ' |
| 02:36.20 | resiak | lilo: I was honestly already planning on donating when I can. |
| 02:36.27 | resiak | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 02:36.27 | lilo | resiak: cool, thanks! |
| 02:36.36 | BadMan | I want to dl the newesst x-window-system but it continually looks at my cdrom and I added another sourse during the apt-get config process to us ftp.debian.org |
| 02:36.39 | lilo | resiak: is "no private CTCP's, and your replies to public CTCP's will be filtered out" |
| 02:36.46 | lilo | oops, let me do that again |
| 02:36.54 | lilo | resiak: +C is "no private CTCP's, and your replies to public CTCP's will be filtered out" (that's also frequently helpful) |
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| 02:37.10 | chewy | what would i have to use to remotely control this debian box |
| 02:37.16 | resiak | lilo: Thanks. I'm reading the link dondelelcaro handed me. |
| 02:37.17 | resiak | chewy: sshd |
| 02:37.19 | tomb0y | if i have 2 network cards in debian.. how do i tell which one is eth1 and which is eth0 after startup ? |
| 02:37.22 | resiak | chewy: and an ssh client. |
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| 02:37.28 | lilo | resiak: *nod* |
| 02:37.37 | chewy | resiak, would that support X? |
| 02:37.42 | RedPenguin | Am I doing something wrong? If I write an IPTABLES rule and point it to the current machines IP, it works, but when I change it to another working IP, it just hangs |
| 02:37.54 | BadMan | chewy you may want a VNC type setup |
| 02:37.54 | dondelelcaro | tomb0y: by their mac address, or you use nameif to change them to whatever you want them to be |
| 02:37.57 | resiak | !tell chewy about sshx |
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| 02:38.05 | MooglyGuy | Say, do any of you have access to (or can give me telnet/SSH access to) a non-x86, non-Mac machine equipped with GCC? I wrote a smallish utility a while back, and I'm trying to get binaries from as many systems as I can for novelty's sake. The site is here: http://www.zophar.net/personal/mooglyguy/codegen.html |
| 02:38.31 | KirbyMeister | is it possible to install RPM format packages in debian? |
| 02:38.43 | dvs | KirbyMeister: Yes, via alien |
| 02:38.54 | tomb0y | dondelelcaro: besides ifconfig, that lists mac addresses, where do you see the driver/hardware info matched to the mac address ? |
| 02:39.12 | dondelelcaro | tomb0y: you have to know which card has which mac address. |
| 02:39.27 | KirbyMeister | okay, how do I use this said alien? |
| 02:39.32 | resiak | KirbyMeister: man alien |
| 02:39.32 | MooglyGuy | So far I have binaries for an HP 712/80 running Debian, an RS/6000 running AIX 4.3, Cray Y-MP supercomputers, Mac OS X, SPARC32 Linux, x86-64 Linux, IRIX 6.5, the TI-89 graphing calculator, x86 win32, as well as a port into PHP and a port to Python. |
| 02:39.36 | dondelelcaro | tomb0y: if they're different cards, then check dmesg. |
| 02:39.37 | resiak | KirbyMeister: apt-get install alien first |
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| 02:40.21 | tomb0y | dondelelcaro: ahh there it is.. didnt see the mac addy in dmesg earlier |
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| 02:42.19 | jm51 | is there a way to build gnome's cvs version with debian packages? |
| 02:42.32 | dondelelcaro | jm51: yes, but it's not trivial. |
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| 02:44.43 | RedPenguin | Anyone know of a console GUI for iptables? |
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| 02:46.26 | jm51 | dondelelcaro: doesn't gnome have debian/rules, etc. already in cvs? |
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| 02:47.10 | dondelelcaro | jm51: if it does, I wouldn't touch those rules at all. |
| 02:47.51 | digital__ | bn tout le monde :) |
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| 02:48.18 | ireverentReveren | how do i force mkraid to work with disks that were once used in another raid? i think the error is due to me using the same /dev/md0, but if i try a different one, say /dev/md1, it complains that that one doesnt exist |
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| 02:50.27 | burnt-toast | ireverentReveren: what type of raid were these disks in before? |
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| 02:50.38 | ireverentReveren | software raid 5.... |
| 02:50.40 | burnt-toast | stripe, mirror, |
| 02:50.42 | burnt-toast | doh! |
| 02:50.44 | burnt-toast | hmm |
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| 02:50.53 | burnt-toast | are u interested in saving the data? |
| 02:50.58 | ireverentReveren | naw |
| 02:51.00 | ireverentReveren | nothing was on them |
| 02:51.00 | burnt-toast | ok |
| 02:51.03 | burnt-toast | :-) |
| 02:51.12 | ireverentReveren | just playing with software raid |
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| 02:51.46 | ireverentReveren | i THINK it is the dev thing array md0 already initialised! |
| 02:51.46 | ireverentReveren | oops |
| 02:51.46 | ireverentReveren | this is from my syslog : array md0 already initialised! |
| 02:51.51 | ireverentReveren | how do i uninitialize it? |
| 02:52.08 | burnt-toast | ok whats in your raidhotremove i think |
| 02:52.11 | burnt-toast | oops |
| 02:52.14 | burnt-toast | blech |
| 02:52.19 | burnt-toast | try raidhotremove |
| 02:52.24 | burnt-toast | i think it is |
| 02:53.08 | ireverentReveren | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:54.18 | ireverentReveren | any other ideas? |
| 02:54.19 | burnt-toast | ireverentReveren: lol |
| 02:54.25 | burnt-toast | one sec |
| 02:54.33 | burnt-toast | lemme ssh into my raided box at work |
| 02:54.40 | ireverentReveren | i have it stopped... basically i want to add more drives to the setup |
| 02:54.43 | ireverentReveren | ok, thanks |
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| 02:57.03 | burnt-toast | one sec |
| 02:57.09 | ireverentReveren | OK |
| 02:57.13 | burnt-toast | just checking something real quick |
| 02:57.17 | ireverentReveren | OK |
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| 02:57.57 | burnt-toast | ok do cat /proc/mdstat |
| 02:58.01 | burnt-toast | to be sure it is shut down |
| 02:58.17 | ireverentReveren | it is inactive |
| 02:59.21 | burnt-toast | ok |
| 02:59.56 | burnt-toast | you have to define the disk drives in the raid array in your /etc/raidtab file |
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| 03:00.04 | ireverentReveren | got that |
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| 03:00.34 | burnt-toast | ok |
| 03:00.45 | burnt-toast | then u have to activate the raid array |
| 03:00.51 | Talnakh_ | hi all, could anyone tell me how i can see how memory is used by processes. cause i have 1 GB ram and only SSHD running on it. No extra soft and services. and i hvae only 20MB free... |
| 03:00.59 | ireverentReveren | mkraid /dev/md0? |
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| 03:01.20 | burnt-toast | should be yes |
| 03:01.21 | dvs | Talnakh_: top? |
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| 03:01.41 | ireverentReveren | force the destruction of the old superblock |
| 03:01.42 | Talnakh_ | yes |
| 03:02.06 | Talnakh_ | top says that there are only 20 MB left |
| 03:02.07 | ireverentReveren | ./dev/hde appears to be already part of a raid array -- use -f to force the destruction of the old superblock |
| 03:02.31 | burnt-toast | yup if theres no useful data then use the -f option |
| 03:02.36 | ireverentReveren | and if i force it, teh mkraid still fails, with that error in teh syslog |
| 03:02.52 | burnt-toast | then i suggest formatting it |
| 03:03.00 | burnt-toast | or deleting the partition on it |
| 03:03.06 | ireverentReveren | ah |
| 03:03.06 | burnt-toast | and recreating |
| 03:03.37 | kenboo | Talnakh_, unused memory is used for buffer. that's why you see 20m only as free mem |
| 03:04.25 | Talnakh_ | 49072k amount of memory used for buffers according to top. |
| 03:04.39 | kenboo | only 49m? |
| 03:04.46 | Talnakh_ | yep |
| 03:04.59 | Talnakh_ | Mem: 1034308k total, 1020884k used, 13424k free, 49072k buffers |
| 03:05.14 | ireverentReveren | Feb 27 05:07:23 localhost kernel: md: array md0 already initialised! |
| 03:05.21 | ireverentReveren | is the error i get |
| 03:05.25 | burnt-toast | that looks about right if you are running kde or gnome |
| 03:05.42 | burnt-toast | raidstop /dev/md0 |
| 03:05.51 | Talnakh_ | it is only a console machine |
| 03:06.15 | burnt-toast | Talnakh_: then whats taking up ram? lol |
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| 03:06.34 | ireverentReveren | burnt-toast now what? |
| 03:06.46 | burnt-toast | ireverentReveren: ok u have it unloaded right? |
| 03:06.50 | ireverentReveren | Yeah |
| 03:06.58 | burnt-toast | have you deleted and recreated /dev/hde's partition table? |
| 03:07.24 | Talnakh_ | I want to know it myself. AT the moment this bitch is doing scp through ssh, but i dont think it should take so much ram |
| 03:07.30 | kenboo | try free command |
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| 03:08.00 | kenboo | it think the buffer+cache is the real free mem |
| 03:08.12 | Talnakh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.13 | Talnakh_ | Mem: 1034308 1020324 13984 0 49192 903448 |
| 03:08.13 | Talnakh_ | -/+ buffers/cache: 67684 966624 |
| 03:08.13 | Talnakh_ | Swap: 3208448 4 3208444 |
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| 03:08.20 | burnt-toast | lol |
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| 03:08.26 | kenboo | uh,...i would have warned him |
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| 03:08.32 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 03:08.34 | ireverentReveren | still complaining that /dev/md0 is allready initialized... how do i un initialiaze it? |
| 03:08.47 | burnt-toast | hmm |
| 03:08.47 | kenboo | Talnakh_, so i guess 966624 is the free mem |
| 03:09.12 | valdyn_ | Talnakh_: this is fine, 966624buffers/cached, tlinux doesnt waste ram unused |
| 03:09.16 | BadMan | can i use sarge with my woody cd set? if so which sarge iso do I need? |
| 03:09.23 | burnt-toast | try raidreconf |
| 03:09.37 | dvs | BadMan: ??? Use both sarge and woody? |
| 03:10.13 | Talnakh_ | nice, ok. thanks all. now i have to think of a task for dual 2.4 Ghz xeon with HT and 1 GB ram (not much actually) |
| 03:10.13 | BadMan | I have a 7cd set I just got, I dont have broadband persay to dl 9-10 cdset of sarge.. will the sarge isntaller work with my woody set? |
| 03:10.16 | burnt-toast | hmm maybe not raidreconf |
| 03:10.32 | resiak | !tell burnt-toast about woody->sarge |
| 03:10.34 | RedPenguin | If I have a router, and want an iptable rule, do I have to tell it to go through the router or something? Everytime I have a rule set, it just hangs |
| 03:10.43 | resiak | !tell burnt-toast about netinst |
| 03:10.48 | burnt-toast | resiak: why are u telling me this stuff? |
| 03:10.55 | resiak | burnt-toast: I'm sorry. |
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| 03:10.57 | RedPenguin | And I set it on a machine that is inside a LAN but even hangs on LAN address |
| 03:10.58 | dvs | BadMan: You only need one cd to install either woody or sarge. The rest can be downloaded over the internet |
| 03:10.59 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 03:11.01 | resiak | !tell BadMan about netinst |
| 03:11.03 | BadMan | hes trying to tell me.... |
| 03:11.05 | resiak | !tell BadMan about woody->sarge |
| 03:11.12 | resiak | !tabsmite me |
| 03:11.31 | sorahn | what does tabsmite do |
| 03:12.07 | resiak | Nothing. |
| 03:12.20 | dvs | apparently |
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| 03:13.11 | nvz | dpkg, test |
| 03:13.11 | dpkg | No, nvz, you're not online any more. |
| 03:13.29 | nvz | dpkg is ignoring me in msg for the past few hours |
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| 03:14.16 | ireverentReveren | burnt-toast raidreconf doesnt look like it will do this |
| 03:14.22 | burnt-toast | no |
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| 03:14.29 | resiak | nvz: Are you sure he knows the things about which you'rea asking him |
| 03:14.46 | burnt-toast | ireverentReveren: i might suggest removing the partitions off of these drives |
| 03:14.51 | burnt-toast | rebooting and re-partitioning |
| 03:14.53 | nvz | resiak: I was asking him to search and basic things he should be able to do |
| 03:15.01 | burnt-toast | (oh remove the config from raidtab) |
| 03:15.11 | burnt-toast | and then partition and start fresh after reboot |
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| 03:17.13 | nvz | hmm the winds seem to have stopped, and my radar got the 600mile area covered in shades of green |
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| 03:17.35 | nvz | doesnt really seem to be raining |
| 03:17.43 | kenboo | your radar? |
| 03:17.55 | bibibib | wtf |
| 03:17.58 | nvz | kenboo: yep you know, dopplar radar |
| 03:18.00 | bibibib | I cant change my nick |
| 03:18.03 | kenboo | cool |
| 03:18.09 | kenboo | is it connected to linux?? |
| 03:18.17 | nvz | kenboo: yeah its an applet on my gnome-panel |
| 03:18.17 | bibibib | Quarupt :The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change (##linux) |
| 03:18.25 | bibibib | what does that mean? |
| 03:18.32 | Phated | bibibib: So part ##linux, and then change it. |
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| 03:19.10 | peterS | quarupt: basically it means you don't have a voice (mode +v) in ##linux, so you aren't allowed to change your nick |
| 03:19.26 | reaper_ | ive inherited an old imac that i want to put debian on, would i need the powerpc distro? or m68k |
| 03:19.43 | nvz | hmm, there now things are updated.. I dont know why the last update was 7:53 and its 9:14.. its suppose to update at least every 30 minutes |
| 03:19.48 | peterS | reaper_: no, powerpc is for powerpc macs, not m68k macs |
| 03:19.59 | peterS | reaper_: oh, you said imac. that's powerpc. |
| 03:20.03 | dvs | nvz: Maybe you didn |
| 03:20.06 | MooglyGuy | All iMacs are PowerPC. |
| 03:20.06 | reaper_ | okay, thanks |
| 03:20.13 | dvs | nvz: Maybe you didn't refresh your browser |
| 03:20.15 | MooglyGuy | Hell, pretty much everything made since what, 1997, 1998 or so will be PPC. |
| 03:20.23 | reaper_ | that's what i thought |
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| 03:20.41 | peterS | MooglyGuy: the first powermacs came out around 1993. I imagine they stopped shipping m68k ones soon after, but I don't really know |
| 03:20.43 | nvz | dvs: its not a browser, its an icon on my panel |
| 03:20.43 | reaper_ | im not a mac guy though, i had thought you needed some fancy pants distro |
| 03:20.44 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: Pretty much anything still worth using for anything more than a boat anchor. |
| 03:20.48 | reaper_ | but if debian runs on it, thats great |
| 03:21.01 | Flimzy | reaper_: once upon a time a fancy pants distro was needed for PPC |
| 03:21.03 | MooglyGuy | Actually, Flimzy, I'd love to get a high-end 68k Mac. |
| 03:21.14 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: You can have mine then. |
| 03:21.17 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: :P |
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| 03:21.18 | peterS | reaper_: check http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
| 03:21.25 | burnt-toast | high...end....68k...mac.... i sense something wrong with that |
| 03:21.25 | reaper_ | thanks |
| 03:21.28 | kenboo | highend...040? |
| 03:21.30 | MooglyGuy | Flimzy: What's it running? :P |
| 03:21.31 | MooglyGuy | Yeah, 040. |
| 03:21.35 | dvs | Quadro? |
| 03:21.37 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: It's a 68040 40Mhz, 32mb RAM |
| 03:21.37 | MooglyGuy | There wasn't an 060 Mac, was there? |
| 03:21.49 | burnt-toast | ppc was out then if i remember right |
| 03:21.50 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: MacOS 7.something. (Linux won't work on it due to funky video hardware) |
| 03:22.03 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: Actually, I don't think it has a HD right now, so it's running VaporOS |
| 03:22.05 | MooglyGuy | Cool. Basically, my main interest is getting some sort of C compiler onto it so that I can get a binary of my code generator. |
| 03:22.07 | MooglyGuy | Heh. :P |
| 03:22.08 | kenboo | i had NetBSD running on my 68k mac. |
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| 03:22.21 | plasmatic1 | how do you change users in a terminal? |
| 03:22.21 | MooglyGuy | http://www.zophar.net/personal/mooglyguy/codegen.html |
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| 03:22.28 | dvs | plasmatic1: su |
| 03:22.30 | MooglyGuy | That lists all of the ports I've got from either myself or others so far. |
| 03:22.41 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: When I was doing tech support for an ISP ~3-4 yrs ago I used it... came in handy when handling Mac calls |
| 03:22.45 | muaddib | Has anyone configured a dual head video card. I am in the process of configuring it. In regards to hardware recognition when I do a scanpci I only see one video card |
| 03:22.52 | muaddib | SHOULDN"T I SEE 2 |
| 03:22.53 | plasmatic1 | dvs: not by changing into root though |
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| 03:23.12 | valdyn_ | muaddib: because you have only one? |
| 03:23.15 | Phated | plasmatic1: "su <user>". |
| 03:23.16 | plasmatic1 | dvs: say i was user1 and I wanted to use user2 |
| 03:23.17 | MooglyGuy | Flimzy, I can imagine so, but I wouldn't really have the patience to do tech support. |
| 03:23.18 | dvs | plasmatic1: yeah, su username |
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| 03:23.32 | plasmatic1 | dvs: thanks (same to you Phated) |
| 03:23.43 | scorphus | OFF TOPIC: I got no answer from #mozilla, hope someone have a clue: my machine stoped due to a hardware failure and when I boot up again it seems the mozilla's default profile for my account is somewhat locked, just like another instance of mozilla was running. How do I unlock the profile? I know it is simple to save the bookmarks and delete the folder, but there should be something that can be done to 'save' the whole profile (cookies, cache, passwords |
| 03:23.43 | scorphus | , form-data, etc) |
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| 03:23.57 | MooglyGuy | Does it have an IDE or SCSI interface? |
| 03:24.04 | muaddib | valdyn_: so I should only be seeing one then |
| 03:24.08 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: What is Animal Cross Coding? |
| 03:24.20 | Talnakh_ | how do i configure qla2300 FC adapter on linux? |
| 03:24.23 | valdyn_ | muaddib: muaddib yea, is it nvidia? |
| 03:24.29 | burnt-toast | scorphus: try looking in /var/lock |
| 03:24.30 | peterS | Flimzy: ha, did he ask you for an m68k binary of that? |
| 03:24.40 | burnt-toast | and deleting the .lock file for it |
| 03:24.42 | valdyn_ | muaddib: they do have nice documentation for just that |
| 03:24.43 | MooglyGuy | peterS, I'm interested in any binary for it. :) |
| 03:24.46 | scorphus | burnt-toast: thanks! |
| 03:24.48 | MooglyGuy | Incidentally, I posted the binary you sent me. |
| 03:24.52 | peterS | MooglyGuy: heh, cool |
| 03:25.02 | Flimzy | peterS: No. |
| 03:25.05 | MooglyGuy | Flimzy, I think you mean Animal Crossing Codegen. Animal Crossing was a game made for the GameCube back in, oh, 2002 or 2003 or so. I think 2002. |
| 03:25.07 | muaddib | valdyn_: Actually its a Savage/MX-NV card |
| 03:25.12 | Flimzy | peterS: He just asked me to donate my m68k computer :P |
| 03:25.23 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: uh, okay |
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| 03:25.30 | MooglyGuy | Basically, it allowed you to give items to your friend using a rudimentary exchange system, even though it was an offline game. |
| 03:25.37 | peterS | Flimzy: he's collecting as many binaries for his codegen as he can, just for the fun of it. I gave him an AIX 4.3 binary the other day |
| 03:25.39 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: so it's a game? |
| 03:25.45 | MooglyGuy | Yeah. |
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| 03:25.52 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: graphical? |
| 03:25.57 | muaddib | valdyn_: so in the XF86Config-4 file I thought I would need to create 2 devices is that right |
| 03:26.07 | MooglyGuy | The game is graphical, of course. It's for the Nintendo GameCube. |
| 03:26.17 | MooglyGuy | The code generator I wrote isn't, though. It should compile on anything with cc and a console. |
| 03:26.26 | MooglyGuy | You go to the shopkeeper in your town, give the shopkeeper the item and tell him the destination player name and town name, and it gives you a 28-digit passcode that you can then write down. |
| 03:26.34 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: code generator? What does that do? |
| 03:26.36 | valdyn_ | muaddib: no idea if the driver you use for that even supports dual head, but the documentation at www.nvidia.com, linux driver section should give you a clue on how this works. |
| 03:26.38 | peterS | MooglyGuy: I should mention that I got no warnings even with gcc -Wall. so it's apparently pretty clean code |
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| 03:26.44 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: ah |
| 03:27.11 | MooglyGuy | Tell it to your friend, and your friend can then give it to the shop keeper in his town, and the game decrypts it and if the player name and town name fields match the person trying to turn in the code, it gives that person the item. |
| 03:27.22 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: You don't have a Win32 binary yet? |
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| 03:27.39 | MooglyGuy | Well, the main binary listed on there is a Win32 binary, it's toward the bottom. |
| 03:28.01 | Flimzy | ah |
| 03:28.05 | valdyn_ | muaddib: you just clone all relevant sections in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, upping the number ( screen 0 / screen 1 for example ) and add a suitable Layout section .. just read there |
| 03:28.11 | MooglyGuy | Incidentally, I managed to make the codegen by spending two months' worth of my free time stepping through the game's code in a PowerPC debugger and taking excrutiating notes of what it does. |
| 03:28.19 | Flimzy | It's too bad the project isn't something cooler I'd feel like compiling on funny hardware I see every now and then :P |
| 03:28.30 | MooglyGuy | The reverse-engineered source code is right here: http://www.zophar.net/personal/mooglyguy/codegen.c |
| 03:28.50 | MooglyGuy | I don't know, I think reverse engineering plain, uncommented PowerPC code and getting human-readable and meaningful C code out of it is fairly cool. |
| 03:28.54 | peterS | MooglyGuy: btw, what's the difference between your .c and your .cpp files? they look similar but 'diff' doesn't think they are |
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| 03:29.14 | MobyTurbo | is sid xfree86 still broken? |
| 03:29.26 | peterS | MooglyGuy: I didn't notice many C++-isms in the .cpp files when I scanned through them |
| 03:29.36 | peterS | MooglyGuy: broken how? |
| 03:29.39 | peterS | errrr ... |
| 03:29.41 | peterS | MobyTurbo: broken how? |
| 03:29.48 | MooglyGuy | peterS, what CPP files? The link to the source code on that page technically has a major bug in mMpswd_bit_shift() that causes it to generate bad codes. |
| 03:30.10 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I heard 4.3-12 was broken, it was in the topic a couple of days ago so I dist-upgraded to sarge instead. |
| 03:30.11 | peterS | MooglyGuy: I mean inside the .zip files, yeah. as opposed to codegen.c which isn't directly linked but you told us to download |
| 03:30.27 | MooglyGuy | And if you mean the .cpp files found in the source code .zip on the site, they're just named that because the IDE that I use defaults to C++, even though I don't use it. |
| 03:30.28 | MooglyGuy | :) |
| 03:30.28 | peterS | MobyTurbo: -12 isn't really broken, it's just needlessly huge. -12.0.1 is fixed |
| 03:30.42 | MobyTurbo | peterS: OK, thanks |
| 03:30.47 | burnt-toast | i didnt mind the 150mb download ... really :D |
| 03:30.56 | peterS | MooglyGuy: well, you *did* 'using namespace std;' and '#include <iostream>', IIRC. but those were the only C++isms I noticed |
| 03:31.07 | burnt-toast | brb |
| 03:31.15 | MooglyGuy | peterS: Yeah, those were automatically put in by the IDE. You'll notice that they're not there in the .c file. ;) |
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| 03:31.33 | peterS | MooglyGuy: so, the .cpp is an older revision, codegen.c is your actual working source? |
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| 03:31.42 | plasmatic1 | sry to come back so soon, but how do you add a user to a group? |
| 03:31.45 | peterS | MooglyGuy: the binary I contributed is from codegen.c, anyway |
| 03:31.48 | MooglyGuy | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 03:31.51 | MooglyGuy | Alright, that's good. |
| 03:32.12 | dvs | adduser <user> <group> |
| 03:32.16 | MooglyGuy | I'm actually fairly proud of the cleanliness of my code. It even compiled on a Cray Y-MP that I managed to get a shell account on with only three warnings, and that's running cc on an ancient version of UNICOS. :P |
| 03:32.17 | Tman | I installed kernel 2.6.7, but now eth0 is no longer being configured via dhcp.. how can I reconfigure it to do so? |
| 03:32.25 | Flimzy | peterS: Do they still use Solaris Sparcs anywhere at WSU? a la bugs? |
| 03:32.41 | dvs | Tman: Did you compile the kernel? |
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| 03:32.56 | peterS | Flimzy: I believe the sparcs moved to debian several years ago, though I'm not sure if they all did. since then they've probably been phased out entirely |
| 03:33.03 | Flimzy | peterS: Actually... n/m... I think John Goerzen converted them to sparc/Linux back when he worked there |
| 03:33.12 | Tman | dvs: no, though I was going to do so in the future.. |
| 03:33.21 | peterS | sounds about right (: |
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| 03:33.29 | dvs | Tman: What network card do you use? |
| 03:33.38 | Flimzy | He initiated the .cs migration to Debian |
| 03:33.44 | Flimzy | I'm sure he wouldn't have overlooked the sparcs in that |
| 03:33.44 | Flimzy | :) |
| 03:33.47 | plasmatic1 | how do you add a user to a group? (yes i have googled it) |
| 03:33.52 | dvs | adduser <user> <group> |
| 03:33.54 | Flimzy | plasmatic1: man adduser |
| 03:33.55 | peterS | Flimzy: doesn't surprise me, I guess. I know at least one sparc moved to debian a few years ago |
| 03:34.03 | plasmatic1 | Flimzy: thanks |
| 03:34.20 | Flimzy | blah... I hafta get up at 5am. I should probably try to sleep already |
| 03:34.47 | Tman | dvs: I think a kingston.. |
| 03:34.50 | MooglyGuy | Sleep is for the weak. |
| 03:34.52 | MooglyGuy | Well, and the smart. |
| 03:34.54 | plasmatic1 | Flimzy: but how do you add an already existing user to an already exisiting group? |
| 03:35.00 | Flimzy | MooglyGuy: If I don't sleep, I will become very weak |
| 03:35.06 | Flimzy | plasmatic1: man adduser |
| 03:35.07 | peterS | plasmatic1: adduser username groupname |
| 03:35.12 | dvs | Tman: lspci | grep -i eth |
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| 03:35.36 | plasmatic1 | peterS: thanks |
| 03:35.48 | Flimzy | plasmatic1: dvs answered you that question already, too. |
| 03:35.52 | Flimzy | ah, he's gone n/m |
| 03:35.55 | Flimzy | and bedtime |
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| 03:35.56 | cafuego | Do any of you run an LDAP server with an address book and willing to share the slapd.conf file? |
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| 03:36.21 | barretj | i tried to install the udev package, and it wiped out all the devices in my /dev directory, i recreated them with MAKEDEV but now i cant ssh into my box, any ideas? |
| 03:36.21 | ye_old | how do I open a .deb file? downloaded skype, because it isn't in apt-get |
| 03:36.44 | peterS | ye_old: dpkg -i] |
| 03:36.47 | peterS | errr, -i |
| 03:36.49 | burnt-toast | ye_old: go to the directory and dpkg -i |
| 03:36.58 | Tman | dvs: 02:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) |
| 03:37.07 | burnt-toast | sorry dpkg -i <filename> |
| 03:37.08 | peterS | Tman: that's the 'tulip' driver |
| 03:37.22 | dvs | Tman: lsmod | grep tulip |
| 03:37.24 | will | How do I set up a SMTP and POP server on Knoppix? Does anyone know? |
| 03:37.33 | cafuego | will: Wrong channel. |
| 03:37.46 | Tman | dvs: nothing |
| 03:37.53 | will | knoppix is debian, isn't it? |
| 03:37.55 | dvs | Tman: modprobe tulip |
| 03:38.00 | dvs | will: read the topic |
| 03:38.09 | ArtVandalae | !tell will about Knoppix |
| 03:38.14 | will | I'm new to this... |
| 03:38.20 | Tman | dvs: k it worked |
| 03:38.37 | will | Thanks ArtVandala... |
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| 03:38.40 | burnt-toast | !tell burnt-toast about knoppix |
| 03:38.40 | cafuego | will: No, knoppix is knoppix. if it was debian it would be called debian. |
| 03:38.41 | dvs | Tman: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:39.02 | will | When i boot mine up it says debian on there.... |
| 03:39.27 | burnt-toast | lol gee u think that the #debian channel maintainers dispise knoppix traffic much? lol |
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| 03:39.52 | barretj | will: its kind of like bitching to sombody's parents that there kid got in trouble when the kid is all grown up |
| 03:39.52 | roo9 | what MTA can i use that does not require a root account? |
| 03:40.09 | burnt-toast | knoppix can be turned back into debian after hard disk install but it is not debian on cd... |
| 03:40.09 | peterS | roo9: you can't run a MTA as a non-root user |
| 03:40.11 | Tman | second line: Configuring network interfaces: Unrecognized kernel version |
| 03:40.19 | peterS | roo9: it requires binding to port 25, which is a root-only operation |
| 03:40.30 | ye_old | thank you burnt-toast and peterS |
| 03:40.41 | Tman | and whenever I restart it says dhclient.pid doesn't exist heh |
| 03:40.43 | Tman | @ dvs |
| 03:40.47 | will | I'm running it on hard disk |
| 03:40.55 | will | not from the CD... |
| 03:41.09 | roo9 | peterS: assuming i do not need to bind to port 25. any ideas? |
| 03:41.12 | dvs | Tman: I don't know about dhclient but I got the network card working |
| 03:41.21 | burnt-toast | will you have to decide on a program to use for smtp and pop |
| 03:41.26 | peterS | roo9: if you aren't binding to port 25, what are you doing? you certainly aren't receiving incoming mail |
| 03:41.31 | burnt-toast | will: there are a lot of them |
| 03:41.36 | roo9 | peterS: mail relaying. |
| 03:41.42 | Tman | dvs: yes you did |
| 03:41.45 | burnt-toast | will: and the best thing to do is read a lot of information online |
| 03:41.50 | barretj | does anyone have any idea on how udev could screw up an ssh server? |
| 03:41.52 | will | tell me about a couple of them.. |
| 03:41.55 | roo9 | peterS: i'm NOT spamming, i swear!. |
| 03:41.56 | burnt-toast | will: ill see if i can get u started |
| 03:42.10 | will | Thanks... |
| 03:42.22 | peterS | roo9: if you are only sending mail, not receiving any, and you don't care about getting bounces for mail that doesn't get delivered, then you could do this without port 25 |
| 03:42.23 | burnt-toast | will: are you trying to setup public smtp and pop services for a domain you own? |
| 03:42.28 | dvs | Tman: I'd look in your /etc/network/interfaces file to see if the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" is in it |
| 03:42.31 | peterS | roo9: but that particular set of requirements smells a lot like 'spammer' |
| 03:42.34 | will | I find it real hard to find any kind of documention that works for knoppix |
| 03:42.52 | bucky | knoppix.net |
| 03:42.59 | burnt-toast | will: thats because not very many things are designed specifically for knoppix |
| 03:43.00 | barretj | i cant ssh into my machine, but the ssh server is up and running... if i type in an incorrect password it prompts me again for a new one, however if i type in the correct password it just hangs |
| 03:43.02 | nvz | we'll see if a little bacardi cant slow me down |
| 03:43.05 | will | I have a boot leg domain with dyndsl.com |
| 03:43.07 | Tman | dvs: it's dhclient that spits out 'Unrecognized kernel version', it's probably old, I'll just use the bootdisk and install a new version |
| 03:43.32 | dvs | Tman: OK |
| 03:43.44 | Tman | dvs: thx for the help |
| 03:43.54 | ArtVandalae | barretj, have you tried logging in as different users (if you are more than 1 user on that machine)? |
| 03:43.56 | burnt-toast | will: ok... so you want an e-mail address like <subdomain>.<yourispdomain><.com> or something? |
| 03:44.01 | burnt-toast | or how is this to be setup? |
| 03:44.01 | dvs | Tman: np |
| 03:44.20 | will | I want to set one up but I don't know how to. |
| 03:44.21 | scorphus | is there any option for reading PDF file which is not Adobe Acrobat nor gPDF? |
| 03:44.28 | Ether_Man_ | Anyone that could advice me on what I need to install debian-stable from the net on a laptop? root, rescue and all four driver disks? It's a pcmcia nic and a very old laptop ^_^ |
| 03:44.37 | burnt-toast | will: what is the domain u have? u can p/m it to me if u want |
| 03:44.38 | ArtVandalae | scorphus, xpdf? |
| 03:44.42 | barretj | ArtVandalae no, i only have one use besides root |
| 03:44.44 | roo9 | peterS: incoming mail comes in from another server, outgoing mail needs to be relayed through a second server because ALL of my isp's IP's are listed in the DNSRBL, i can no longer use my ISP's mail servers because they are listed in many DNSRBLs as well... a friend graciously suggested i could setup a relay on his server, assuming it didn't use port 25. |
| 03:44.46 | will | Don't have to have my smtp and pop straight first before I can have the e-mail? |
| 03:44.50 | scorphus | ArtVandalae: xpdf is too poor |
| 03:44.51 | barretj | ArtVandalae and i dont allow root logins |
| 03:44.53 | burnt-toast | Ether_Man_: use debian woody cd#1 |
| 03:45.00 | will | ok |
| 03:45.04 | burnt-toast | Ether_Man_: and select net for install type |
| 03:45.05 | ArtVandalae | scorphus, poor? |
| 03:45.13 | burnt-toast | s/type/source |
| 03:45.20 | Ether_Man_ | burnt-toast: I said it was a very old laptop.. it dont have a cdrom and neither does it have any way to connect any.. |
| 03:45.22 | scorphus | ArtVandalae: yeah, graphicaly |
| 03:45.26 | peterS | roo9: what I don't get is why you have to do all this as non-root. regardless, you would probably find nullmailer possible to compile in such a way that it can be installed and run by a non-root user |
| 03:45.29 | barretj | scorphus: kghostview is good for reading pdfs |
| 03:45.42 | ArtVandalae | Oh... scorphus, have you tried Freshmeat? |
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| 03:45.54 | burnt-toast | Ether_Man_: well your other option is to move the hard disk onto another machine to get the files into it |
| 03:45.55 | peterS | roo9: your applications will require some adjustment to know that they should invoke the local MTA as something other than /usr/sbin/sendmail, since you don't have access to that path for installing nullmailer |
| 03:46.01 | burnt-toast | Ether_Man_: at least another |
| 03:46.16 | scorphus | ArtVandalae: yeah, but looking for personal recommendations, not best rated stuff |
| 03:46.32 | ArtVandalae | Oh, well I can't help there I find xpdf does enough :) |
| 03:46.42 | burnt-toast | will: no the smtp and pop3 needs to be setup for e-mail... i just need to try and figure out what type of topology you are using so i can help u start looking for an MTA |
| 03:46.44 | scorphus | barretj: I'll take a look, thx |
| 03:46.57 | Ether_Man_ | burnt-toast: No it's not.. I've done it before.. Dont say anything if you do not know pls. I was more wondering if I needed all four driver disks or just one or two of them was enough.. |
| 03:47.19 | scorphus | ArtVandalae: thanks, I'll see if there is a newer version of xpdf |
| 03:47.22 | burnt-toast | Ether_Man_: than disregaurd the comment... |
| 03:47.24 | will | oh ok |
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| 03:47.33 | will | I just send you a private message.. |
| 03:47.44 | burnt-toast | will: thats fine |
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| 03:48.00 | RLoxley | good evening all |
| 03:48.03 | nvz | well, screw bacardi, I am gonna try make a margarita |
| 03:48.26 | RLoxley | cant seem to get my xf86config set right so my screen actually is usable |
| 03:48.36 | RLoxley | cant seem to get my xf86config-4 set right so my screen actually is usable |
| 03:48.43 | RLoxley | forgot the -4 |
| 03:48.48 | roo9 | peterS: i would be sending email from host 1 -> host 2 using the smarthost configuration of exim. |
| 03:49.15 | peterS | roo9: so, since you've already decided on exim, ignoring my hint about using nullmailer, why were you asking for a recommendation for a MTA? |
| 03:49.21 | MobyTurbo | RLoxley: and the fact that the XF are capitalized and in /etc :-) |
| 03:49.31 | barretj | does anyone know if sshd uses any files in /dev ? |
| 03:49.31 | RLoxley | hehe, i know i know |
| 03:49.51 | RLoxley | my monitor is a sun gdm 20d10 |
| 03:50.05 | RLoxley | supposed to handle 60-82 horiz |
| 03:50.09 | roo9 | peterS: no, exim is on the first machine... i have root et al there... but on the 2nd machine... |
| 03:50.13 | RLoxley | and 50-150 vert |
| 03:50.19 | roo9 | peterS: i'm looking at nullmailer right now |
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| 03:50.30 | RLoxley | vid card is a ati mach64 gt |
| 03:50.47 | roo9 | peterS: i need a host that can be that smart relay... null mailer is not appropriate |
| 03:51.00 | peterS | roo9: on host 2, you have to be able to receive mail. that means you have to listen on port 25. that means you have to be root. |
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| 03:51.33 | nvz | 3 parts Cuervo Margarita Mix, 1 part Jose Cuervo Tequilla, 1/2 cup (or more) crushed ice |
| 03:51.50 | peterS | roo9: that, or you set up host 1 and host 2 using something unrelated to smtp, like UUCP or just tunneling mail via ssh or something (I've done the latter, once) |
| 03:51.50 | roo9 | peterS: i can setup exim to use a non-standard port for relaying |
| 03:51.59 | robertg | Wow |
| 03:52.17 | MobyTurbo | nvz: I don't do mixed drinks, I figure if I don't like the taste of the whiskey I shouldn't be drinking it. |
| 03:52.26 | peterS | nvz: you're mixing your units. three 'parts' and 1/2 'cup' |
| 03:52.47 | robertg | I screwed up my system; deleted /usr/lib/emacsen-common by accident, and now all these dependencies aren't met, but i can't reinstall emacsen-common because THAT has dependencies |
| 03:52.56 | robertg | apt-get -f install doesn't work either |
| 03:53.17 | peterS | robertg: if you already have emacsen-common_*.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/, just install it with dpkg -i --force-depends |
| 03:53.21 | nvz | I think I am just gonna crush up all the ice I got first :P then season to taste |
| 03:54.17 | ye_old | has anyone in here managed to get skype to work under debian? I can hear others but they can't hear me... |
| 03:54.24 | nvz | should throw some of this bacardi in too for the hell of it.. I like my drinks strong enough I wont be worried about how far off my recipe was after the first sip |
| 03:54.30 | disasm | nvz: i can't wait to get alcohol in my cupboards in a month ;-) |
| 03:55.36 | bucky | ye_old, turn the mic gain up |
| 03:55.44 | robertg | peterS: I do, but that won't work, it can't find /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package-remove, so it returns an error |
| 03:55.44 | goodtod | i just installed sarge and i'm getting a kernel panic - can't mount root file system. if i boot up into another distro i can mount it fine. any ideas? |
| 03:55.57 | michal_ | how can I completely prevent the ability to log in as root? |
| 03:55.59 | nvz | I think my blender is broken :P I got it to come one a second ago somehow |
| 03:56.01 | RLoxley | n o help for homey? |
| 03:57.01 | peterS | robertg: that's odd, emacsen-package-remove is certainly in the emacsen-common package |
| 03:57.20 | robertg | yes, but i deleted /usr/lib/emacsen-common, and it's fucking up |
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| 03:58.39 | peterS | robertg: if dpkg -i --force-depends doesn't do it, try dpkg --unpack |
| 03:58.44 | peterS | robertg: and then dpkg -i --force-depends |
| 03:59.11 | bucky | RLoxley, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?? |
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| 03:59.36 | erickcn5 | hola |
| 03:59.57 | cat | !debian-es |
| 03:59.57 | dpkg | well, debian-es is debian channel for spanish users |
| 04:00.03 | cat | !spanish |
| 04:00.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:00.33 | erickcn5 | tank yu |
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| 04:00.59 | robertg | I know what that means :D |
| 04:01.15 | peterS | !no debian-es is <reply> see spanish |
| 04:01.15 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
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| 04:01.32 | robertg | peterS: Nope, unpack didn't do it; still, error |
| 04:01.39 | robertg | I've tried removing it |
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| 04:01.44 | robertg | but then it couldn't even FIND it |
| 04:01.48 | robertg | so it returned an errr |
| 04:01.49 | robertg | *error |
| 04:01.55 | bluefox83 | anyone know how to send files and directories via ssh? :/ |
| 04:01.58 | peterS | robertg: maybe dpkg --extract emacsen-common_*.deb / |
| 04:02.01 | nvz | yeah I think they meant at least equal parts margarita mix and tequilla .. heh |
| 04:02.17 | nvz | personally I am not in it for the flavor |
| 04:02.18 | cat | bluefox83: man ssh |
| 04:02.20 | derek2 | anyone know if it is safe to remove lpr if I don't have a printer hooked up? |
| 04:02.43 | peterS | derek2: quite safe |
| 04:02.58 | derek2 | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 04:03.03 | peterS | derek2: if anything really really insists that lpr be installed, it'll depend on it and dpkg will let you know of this when removing it |
| 04:03.31 | robertg | peterS: Nope |
| 04:03.35 | robertg | Didn't work |
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| 04:03.39 | peterS | robertg: what does "didn't work" mean? |
| 04:03.51 | derek2 | peterS: I hadn't thought of that - that apt-get would protect me. Thanks! |
| 04:03.53 | robertg | I would have thought dpkg had some sort of way of handling these types of things... |
| 04:04.02 | robertg | peterS: Returned an error when I ran unpack. |
| 04:04.06 | robertg | err |
| 04:04.08 | robertg | extract* |
| 04:04.18 | robertg | never mind |
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| 04:04.47 | robertg | peterS: Can I just extract it into / ? |
| 04:04.57 | nvz | whew.. yeah buddy tequilla flavored margarita |
| 04:04.58 | peterS | robertg: yes. then do the 'dpkg -i --force-depends' thing |
| 04:05.02 | nvz | thats the way to do it |
| 04:05.03 | lakcaj | Hi. Is there some sort of logger that will capture all the boot messages, even the messages that dmesg doesn't seem to get? |
| 04:05.28 | nvz | damn blender has seen better days I am sure |
| 04:05.36 | peterS | lakcaj: there is /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages. that's all you get, though |
| 04:05.44 | bluefox83 | i don't see anything in the ssh manfile on how to send files back and forth :X |
| 04:05.45 | robertg | peterS: ahh, thanks ;) |
| 04:05.54 | peterS | robertg: workee? |
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| 04:06.00 | robertg | peterS: Seemed to. |
| 04:06.03 | peterS | cool |
| 04:06.03 | robertg | :) |
| 04:06.04 | lakcaj | peterS, thanks... I'll look there. |
| 04:06.10 | robertg | Yeppers. |
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| 04:07.03 | peterS | robertg: the problem was that emacsen-common thought it was being upgraded from a previous version, so it wanted to run something using the previous version, before extracting the files |
| 04:07.04 | Athairne | Hello and g'day! |
| 04:07.15 | robertg | peterS: Ahhh |
| 04:07.16 | robertg | :) |
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| 04:07.30 | peterS | robertg: --extract bypasses the 'preinst' script, which is what runs before a package's files are extracted |
| 04:07.39 | robertg | peterS: Yeah |
| 04:07.39 | peterS | and I guess --unpack does not bypass the preinst |
| 04:07.46 | robertg | that's good to know |
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| 04:07.48 | robertg | i'd never done this before |
| 04:07.57 | peterS | --extract is low-level, you normally never use it |
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| 04:09.02 | Mark|GS | heya fellas |
| 04:09.04 | robertg | peterS well I'd have thought it'd be easier to fix broken dependencies |
| 04:09.09 | schuler | how can I remove packages with all dependent packages simply? |
| 04:09.09 | Athairne | Does anyone know of any VERY minimal install debian distributions? |
| 04:09.33 | nvz | yeah I am gonna be abbreviated like S.O.M.K.H.P.B.K.J.C.S.S.D.P.M.W.D.T.B. when this is all said and done |
| 04:09.40 | peterS | robertg: for most packages it is easier. most of them don't need to run stuff with the old set of files before unpacking the new set of files. I am not sure why emacsen-common would be different |
| 04:10.13 | Mark|GS | how can i wget something from a dynamic URL? like bleh.com/download.php?id=lasjkdlaskhdkahdksad&build=cvs |
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| 04:10.27 | stew | nvz: you forgot W.T.F. |
| 04:11.02 | Athairne | should be able to just wget it. Should also be able to build the URL as needed (change any parameter you wish so long as it's valid) |
| 04:11.08 | nvz | stew: stands for "Sharikat Orang-orang melayu Kerajaan hilir Perak Berker Jasama-Serkerjasama Kerana Jimat Chermat Serta Simpanon Dan Pinjam Meminjam Wang Dengan Tanggonnan Berhad." |
| 04:11.17 | nvz | stew: you can see why its abbriviated |
| 04:11.27 | peterS | nvz: I'd abbreviate it a bit more, if I were he. who is this. |
| 04:11.28 | peterS | ? |
| 04:11.34 | stew | nvz: oh. why didn't you say so |
| 04:11.47 | nvz | peterS: I dont know, first hit on google for "longest abbreviation" |
| 04:12.00 | bucky | Athairne, a basic install of debian comes in at about 298 M |
| 04:12.17 | Athairne | :s was hoping for something a little smaller |
| 04:12.39 | bucky | Athairne, there's a bunch of them |
| 04:12.46 | bucky | what purpose? |
| 04:13.14 | Athairne | extremely old hacked up laptop with 128Mb drive. |
| 04:13.33 | bucky | trinux ? |
| 04:13.56 | Athairne | haven't tried... would love to stick with debian though... |
| 04:13.57 | derek2 | anyone using logcheck? By default it looks like it runs as root, which means that it generates an alert everytime it runs... is this normal? |
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| 04:14.52 | Athairne | the tiny install is really my last step in finishing my 'inset wall mounted lcd' to display weather and notes in the kitchen |
| 04:15.00 | robertg | Why is my system emitting a beep every 30 seconds? :/ |
| 04:15.10 | Athairne | all the hardware is hacked up and mounted so.... Starting to get anxious... :D |
| 04:15.23 | bucky | Athairne, http://www.nycwireless.net/pebble/ |
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| 04:16.48 | robertg | What might be causing my fucking system to beep every 30 seconds |
| 04:16.52 | robertg | emacs? |
| 04:17.12 | Athairne | bucky: I'll give pebble a shot but will most likely opt for finding a larger drive... Thanks for the help |
| 04:17.13 | bucky | robertg, xchat |
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| 04:17.49 | robertg | bucky: Well, it stopped when I closed emacs |
| 04:17.50 | robertg | hmm. |
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| 04:19.42 | derek2 | no ideas on logcheck anyone? |
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| 04:20.06 | x-opher | how do I get my programs listed in start menu in kde? |
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| 04:21.13 | x-opher | and how do I change my X from Xwindows to KDE |
| 04:21.24 | Kulk | kulk |
| 04:21.30 | Kvant | x-opher, try right-clicking the K-menu, and choose "menu editor" |
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| 04:21.48 | jorgp | what package is dh_make in? |
| 04:22.03 | x-opher | got nothing |
| 04:22.19 | x-opher | it's listed but nothing comes up |
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| 04:24.49 | quarupt | thas anyone ever had a problem where it takes forever to load a web page and forever to connect to an irc server or a debian mirror, but still got good DL speeds? |
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| 04:25.59 | quarupt | ? |
| 04:26.07 | Kvant | dns prob, maybe? |
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| 04:27.02 | quarupt | yea thats what i have been looking at but pinging an IP and pinging a host is the same |
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| 04:28.18 | quarupt | valdyn, your back good |
| 04:28.21 | quarupt | i have new prob lol |
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| 04:30.10 | blujay | Is there a special character, like "%1" or "%s" for KDE's Open With dialog that I can use for the path to the file I'm trying to open? |
| 04:30.44 | nvz | blujay: you cannot just type the path? |
| 04:30.54 | nvz | blujay: I dont follow why you need a variable |
| 04:31.06 | blujay | I need to put it into a command, like: `path converter %s` |
| 04:31.38 | blujay | sorry nvz that was at you |
| 04:31.53 | blujay | nvz: what I'm trying to do is get a Windows app in Wine to open a file from Konqueror |
| 04:32.05 | blujay | nvz: but the path must be converted from unix-style to Windows style |
| 04:32.10 | blujay | nvz: so I need to run it through winepath |
| 04:33.14 | blujay | nvz: for example, this works: wine "C:\\Program Files\\IrfanView\\i_view32.exe" `winepath -l /home/first/Desktop/timon.jpg |
| 04:33.35 | blujay | nvz: but I don't know what would represent the unix path in KDE's open-with dialog |
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| 04:34.07 | nvz | blujay: sounds complicated :) you cant jsut type it likew that in the run dialog? |
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| 04:34.32 | blujay | nvz: well, it's a different file every time...I don't want to have to type the full path manually every time I want to open a file |
| 04:34.35 | quarupt | anyone have some free time to help me? |
| 04:34.45 | Tman | irssi isn't in apt? |
| 04:34.45 | blujay | quarupt: just say your problem and if anyone can help, they will |
| 04:34.46 | uberuser | hello everyone, does anybody here have any experience setting up JAVA in debian? |
| 04:34.55 | blujay | uberuser: google for "blackdown debian" |
| 04:35.01 | bob2 | Tman: of course it's in Debian in the irssi-text package |
| 04:35.03 | quarupt | thas anyone ever had a problem where it takes forever to load a web page and forever to connect to an irc server or a debian mirror, but still got good DL speeds? |
| 04:35.08 | bob2 | quarupt: stop repeating |
| 04:35.13 | quarupt | I have riuled out dns as a prob |
| 04:35.15 | Tman | -text.. grr -_- |
| 04:35.19 | bob2 | your DNS resolver is probably fucked |
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| 04:35.27 | Tman | thx tho |
| 04:35.33 | quarupt | he just said to say my orb |
| 04:35.36 | quarupt | prob |
| 04:35.40 | nvz | blujay: ls _different_files_ | while read filename; do winepath -l "$filename" | xargs wine _program_ |
| 04:35.46 | nvz | blujay: ; done |
| 04:35.49 | nvz | blujay: ? |
| 04:36.18 | blujay | nvz: whoa...thanks...hmm...let me think for a min... |
| 04:36.22 | nvz | heh |
| 04:36.34 | quarupt | how do i make my dns resolver un"fucked" |
| 04:36.54 | bob2 | find out what's wrong with it, for a start |
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| 04:37.03 | bob2 | or perhaps you have a problem related to ipv6 |
| 04:37.07 | nvz | its fucked, aren't you paying attention :) |
| 04:37.39 | mcmehl | i use a Cmedia9880 audio card with snd_azx but it seems that i can't use any input source. Can anybody help? |
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| 04:38.33 | blujay | nvz: I guess what I need is a shell script that will run winepath and then pass that to wine |
| 04:38.49 | nvz | blujay: yeah thats what I just showed you, a shell script :P |
| 04:39.05 | nvz | blujay: using xargs and a while loop thats being piped filenames |
| 04:39.21 | blujay | nvz: LOL, yeah...but I need one that can be put in KDE's Open With dialog...see KDE will just tag the path to the file onto the end of the command |
| 04:39.24 | shingouz | mcmehl: i'm not anything you'd consider an expert on sound but check with amixer if you have the input enabled on the sources |
| 04:39.37 | blujay | mcmehl: ALSA or OSS? |
| 04:39.52 | mcmehl | blujay: alsa |
| 04:39.52 | blujay | nvz: forgive me, I'm still new to Linux |
| 04:39.58 | blujay | mcmehl: run alsamixer |
| 04:40.10 | nvz | blujay: I dont see why, if its being automated you can make a script and put an icon to it.. there are even things like zenity and xdailog to make X based dialogs for shell scripts |
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| 04:40.22 | blujay | nvz: thanks, I'll look into those |
| 04:40.29 | quarupt | im not using ipv6 |
| 04:40.53 | bob2 | quarupt: you're not, but your kernel probably is |
| 04:40.57 | aRJAy | Newb Question: I'm considering the idea of putting Debian on a spare box here to play around with. I'm a linux newb and was told that it'd be a good starting point for me. I've found that there are 7 ISO images that I can download. Do I 'NEED' to download all of them?? Thanks in advance. |
| 04:41.09 | nvz | blujay: I need to look into them more myself.. I checked out zenity a bit. though I havent put any of it to work in any of my scripts yet. |
| 04:41.23 | cat | aRJAy: just burn the first iso, |
| 04:41.37 | aRJAy | cat: what are the other 6 for? :) |
| 04:41.38 | cat | just the installation and then do a netinstall and you'r done |
| 04:41.43 | cat | aRJAy: packages docs, etc. |
| 04:41.47 | aRJAy | k |
| 04:41.48 | blujay | nvz: that's...overkill...I'm sorry... |
| 04:41.53 | bob2 | aRJAy: they're all just packages. the first cd contains the 650MB most commonly used one, the 2nd the next 650MB most, etc. |
| 04:42.06 | blujay | nvz: I can do several kinds of scripts but I haven't figured out bash yet |
| 04:42.09 | bob2 | aRJAy: if there's something you want that's not on the first cd, apt will download it from a mirror automatically |
| 04:42.11 | MooglyGuy | Say, what's the mouse device on an HP 712/80 running hppa Debian? |
| 04:42.12 | aRJAy | bob2: cheers |
| 04:42.23 | blujay | nvz: I guess I could write a PHP script, heh |
| 04:42.28 | michal_ | hmm.. can't cut rearrange fields? |
| 04:42.43 | michal_ | even if i specify the fields out of order they are listed as they appear in the file |
| 04:42.52 | aRJAy | bob2: sounds like a plan. cheers. I don't think I'll be needing the 6 others at this stage :) |
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| 04:43.10 | nvz | blujay: heh, bash is just regular shell commands, I suggest you learn your shell. :) but whatever works. sounds like anything you have to go through winepath and wine for is overkill.. |
| 04:43.42 | blujay | nvz: well what I haven't learned yet is the syntax for ifs, variables, etc |
| 04:44.23 | aRJAy | bob2: will the first CD include GUI options and basic packages? |
| 04:44.33 | bob2 | aRJAy: yes |
| 04:44.34 | blujay | nvz: aha, finally... http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-users/2002/12/0018.html |
| 04:44.37 | quarupt | no i checked its all IPv4 |
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| 04:44.47 | bob2 | quarupt: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 04:44.50 | aRJAy | bob2: even better :) |
| 04:44.52 | michal_ | are there any other commands that deal with fields and delimiters which might be able to re-arrange fields? |
| 04:44.54 | cat | kernel version ;P |
| 04:45.15 | bob2 | michal_: awk |
| 04:45.18 | quarupt | how do i check my kernel version? |
| 04:45.22 | bob2 | 14:44:48 bob2 | quarupt: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 04:45.24 | poli | quarupt, uname -a |
| 04:45.30 | michal_ | as long as it doesn't use regular expressions |
| 04:45.43 | nvz | blujay: thats doing the same thing I was doing .. heh, just without xargs its using a shell variable |
| 04:45.44 | quarupt | -a or -r? |
| 04:45.48 | aRJAy | bob2: there are two files: debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso and debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso I'm in Australia. Which one? |
| 04:45.51 | poli | quarupt, whatever |
| 04:46.01 | blujay | nvz: yeah...sorry...I haven't learned xargs yet either...still piecing things together in my mind |
| 04:46.01 | quarupt | 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:46.10 | bob2 | aRJAy: nonus |
| 04:46.19 | aRJAy | tah.. just making sure :) |
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| 04:46.22 | nvz | blujay: the backticks are f-ugly use $() when possible, the bacticks can be confused easily |
| 04:46.23 | quarupt | Why am i using a 686 kernel when my proc is a AMD 64? |
| 04:46.44 | blujay | nvz: I'm not familiar with $()...you just use that instead of the backticks? |
| 04:46.47 | poli | quarupt, that is not the kernel, that is your processor class |
| 04:46.58 | blujay | like blah blah $(ls -a) blah blah? |
| 04:47.01 | bob2 | quarupt: because you install i386 Debian on it instead of the amd64 port. |
| 04:47.06 | bob2 | blujay: yes |
| 04:47.14 | blujay | bob2 and nvz: thanks |
| 04:47.15 | bob2 | blujay: it's the same as backticks, but nestable |
| 04:47.21 | blujay | bob2: ahh, nice |
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| 04:47.27 | blujay | bob2: learn something new every day :) |
| 04:47.32 | quarupt | if i use an amd64 kernel will i still be able to use 32 bit apps? |
| 04:47.35 | nvz | blujay: yeah $() will execute the code in () and store it in a variable, and its easy to look at it and see what its doing, the backticks look too much like single quotes, and it doesnt use a $ to make you realize whats happening |
| 04:47.36 | aRJAy | bob2: will that fit onto one CD though??| |
| 04:47.41 | neypo | got /boot on my linux partition i now have an extra partiton.... how to i move /boot to that parition? |
| 04:47.49 | blujay | nvz: what variable does it store it in? |
| 04:47.58 | blujay | nvz: or do you use $varname(blah) ? |
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| 04:48.09 | quarupt | So how can i fic this network problem? |
| 04:48.09 | nvz | blujay: more like variable=$(blah) |
| 04:48.15 | aRJAy | bob2: it's 650Mb as a compressed iso |
| 04:48.16 | blujay | nvz: ah, thanks |
| 04:48.16 | nvz | blujay: same usage as the backticks |
| 04:48.20 | quarupt | I just want google to not take 30 seconds to come up |
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| 04:48.33 | bluefox83 | neypo, mv /boot/* /target/directory |
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| 04:48.42 | neypo | dont you have to reconfig the path for dpkg |
| 04:48.43 | neypo | ? |
| 04:48.55 | quarupt | i wanna try outting the IP in the address bar to see if it is actually my DNS |
| 04:49.04 | quarupt | putting* |
| 04:49.10 | bluefox83 | neypo, i would suggest using cp instead of mv though, if ya lose it you're screwed |
| 04:49.19 | RedPenguin | Is there a way allow ssh to see different ports as different hosts? |
| 04:49.25 | neypo | but dont you have to do something so dpkg points to it or something |
| 04:49.25 | mcmehl | blujay: i already tried any possible configuration. alsamixer look a bit diffrent as i remember from other snd-cards. My capture controll only shows "capture 1/2" no mic or line.. |
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| 04:49.34 | RedPenguin | I mean I have an SSH on my Debian server at 22 and it forwarded to one on 23 |
| 04:49.51 | RedPenguin | But now my SSH keeps thinking a Man In The Middle attack is occuring if I try to use the 23 one |
| 04:49.59 | blujay | mcmehl: strange...I'm sorry, I don't know what else to suggest |
| 04:50.01 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 04:50.07 | neypo | dont you? |
| 04:50.10 | aRJAy | New Quest: I'm about to download debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso but am concerned that it won't fit onto one CD once extracted. Do I have the need to be concerned at all? |
| 04:50.27 | quarupt | How can it be my DNS if putting in the IP into firefox is just as slow as just using google.com? |
| 04:50.34 | shingouz | aRJAy: you do not extract it, you burn it straight onto a cd |
| 04:50.47 | nvz | blujay: did you mean Inheriting File System IFS ? |
| 04:50.51 | aRJAy | shingouz: cheers |
| 04:50.51 | bob2 | aRJAy: it's not compressed |
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| 04:50.55 | shingouz | aRJAy: burn as iso or you will not get what you are expecting to get |
| 04:50.55 | blujay | nvz: eh? |
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| 04:51.02 | neypo | bluefox83, ? |
| 04:51.12 | quarupt | ? |
| 04:51.13 | nvz | blujay: you spoke of syntax for ifs. |
| 04:51.22 | aRJAy | k.. great.. I have a feeling that I'll be back here in the future :) Thanks for the help. |
| 04:51.29 | blujay | nvz: um...no...but thanks :) I meant if/else statements |
| 04:51.37 | quarupt | bob2, How can it be my DNS if putting in the IP into firefox is just as slow as just using google.com? |
| 04:51.43 | blujay | the if..fi is confusing compared to if () { } |
| 04:51.49 | bob2 | quarupt: I don't know |
| 04:51.50 | shingouz | aRJAy: befoer you install, read the docs! |
| 04:52.01 | quarupt | bob2, then what is it? |
| 04:52.03 | blujay | nvz: but it's just a matter of what you are used to |
| 04:52.05 | nvz | blujay: oh, heh. well bash has a builtin command called help |
| 04:52.06 | hansgnu | I need to install debian in my PC, but it does not have the option to boot by cdrom, how can I do ? |
| 04:52.14 | quarupt | does anyone knwo what it is? |
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| 04:52.14 | blujay | nvz: no, really? :) |
| 04:52.31 | blujay | nvz: isn't there something called...person..guy...no, wait...man, right? |
| 04:52.35 | nvz | blujay: yep, it lists the bash functions, and can describe them in detail |
| 04:52.41 | bob2 | quarupt: I don't know |
| 04:53.28 | mcmehl | hansgnu: there are downloadable floppy bootimages on debian.org |
| 04:53.49 | quarupt | So no one has ever had a simmilar prob before? |
| 04:53.58 | bob2 | bah |
| 04:54.01 | bob2 | lots of people have |
| 04:54.08 | blujay | quarupt: try debian-user |
| 04:54.08 | bob2 | you suck at getting help |
| 04:54.10 | nvz | blujay: I like python, myself. but I dont code much. python is just really easy for a non-programmer like me to jump in and learn as I go. its got so many high-level interface modules with such good documentation it makes nearly anything simple |
| 04:54.30 | blujay | nvz: yeah I've heard about Py...I'll have to learn it someday |
| 04:54.31 | quarupt | what is that? another channel? |
| 04:54.37 | bob2 | quarupt: a mailing list |
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| 04:55.33 | nvz | blujay: its not super elegant, and can annoy the hell out of a programmer I am sure.. it doesnt require you to declare types of anything, its determined by the data it contains, and it make use of whitespace in syntax. |
| 04:55.56 | blujay | nvz: yeah...I'm so used to C-style syntax...I don't know about that |
| 04:56.09 | hansgnu | mcmehl: but they are some disks,Is not it? |
| 04:57.10 | quarupt | IS anyone here good with nix and networking id really like to get around this problem |
| 04:57.21 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:58.00 | quarupt | its not funny, i was happy to get away from windows finally and now im thinking of going back |
| 04:59.00 | bob2 | try disabling ipv6 completely |
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| 04:59.21 | cat | i wish debian will create a handbook so people can star reading there freaking manuals |
| 04:59.25 | quarupt | im not using ipv6 |
| 04:59.29 | quarupt | im using ipv4 |
| 04:59.41 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 04:59.59 | cat | debian doesn't have that much docs, on there webpage |
| 05:00.03 | bob2 | but I bet if you run 'ip -6 a' you'll find ipv6 addresses on your interfaces |
| 05:00.15 | bob2 | cat: "debian" is not a company |
| 05:00.20 | bob2 | cat: if you want a handbook, start writing! |
| 05:00.27 | bob2 | quarupt: am I right? |
| 05:01.00 | quarupt | ip command not found |
| 05:01.12 | cat | bob is always right ;P |
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| 05:01.38 | bob2 | quarupt: ifconfig | grep inet6 |
| 05:02.35 | quarupt | Nothing |
| 05:02.44 | quarupt | just gave me another prompt |
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| 05:03.49 | quarupt | so this confirms i have no IPv6 right? |
| 05:04.55 | quarupt | ...? |
| 05:05.37 | aRJAy | what is 'woody' ? |
| 05:05.54 | ArtVandalae | woody is the now stable branch of Debian |
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| 05:06.02 | aRJAy | oh |
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| 05:06.34 | aRJAy | ArtVandalae: debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso is not stable? |
| 05:06.52 | SiliconViper | VICTOLY! |
| 05:06.54 | SiliconViper | Yay for suicidal hybrids of Debian/Sid + Debian/Experimental + Ubuntu/Hoary! |
| 05:07.12 | blujay | What did you do, SiliconViper? |
| 05:07.17 | aRJAy | ArtVandalae: btw... nice nick :) |
| 05:07.25 | ArtVandalae | aRJAy, thanks :) |
| 05:07.25 | SiliconViper | blujay, see previous line. |
| 05:07.38 | aRJAy | is the version I'm downloading not stable? |
| 05:07.40 | blujay | SiliconViper: Yeah, but care to be a bit more specific? |
| 05:07.51 | ArtVandalae | aRJAy, now that's stable. Woody is 3.0. R2 is the second revision, it's just 3.0 with updates to make it more secure :) |
| 05:07.56 | ArtVandalae | ... and stable |
| 05:08.03 | aRJAy | ArtVandalae: How is Vanderlae Industries going? :) |
| 05:08.44 | ArtVandalae | :) |
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| 05:10.18 | SiliconViper | blujay, herm... Let's see. I was running Unstable+Experimental before, with little difficulty, and found it to be... an adventure. I decided that I wanted to try something crazier, for fun, so I decided to throw some Ubuntu/Development packages into the mix. Gnome2.9, Xorg, stuff like that. Just to see how difficult it was, and what the results would be. |
| 05:10.36 | blujay | SiliconViper: did it work? or, is it working? |
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| 05:10.53 | SiliconViper | And I am happy to report that it is functioning quite well! |
| 05:11.02 | CENA | FUKK U ALL FUKEN GEEK FUCKS |
| 05:11.02 | SiliconViper | :D |
| 05:11.02 | CENA | FUKK U ALL FUKEN GEEK FUCKS |
| 05:11.03 | CENA | FUKK U ALL FUKEN GEEK FUCKS |
| 05:11.05 | CENA | FUKK U ALL FUKEN GEEK FUCKS |
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| 05:11.12 | SiliconViper | dots |
| 05:11.16 | SiliconViper | just.. fucking dots. |
| 05:11.18 | hhstnoc | wow |
| 05:11.20 | hhstnoc | so cool |
| 05:11.25 | SiliconViper | That was soooo productive. |
| 05:11.29 | blujay | SiliconViper: I tried to get Xorg working in Sarge/Sid but after several hours of messing with links I couldn't get it to load a libXaem or something module... |
| 05:11.43 | aRJAy | Silly Aussie Spammers! tut tut. |
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| 05:11.48 | SiliconViper | blujay, well, this was no easy setup, I'll tell you that much. |
| 05:11.49 | michal_ | this is why some people should be strangled at birth |
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| 05:11.56 | overburnt | hey all :) |
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| 05:12.04 | blujay | SiliconViper: I bet. And just wait until you need to upgrade one of them...*shudder* |
| 05:12.11 | SiliconViper | :D I did! |
| 05:12.16 | SiliconViper | 1010 packages. |
| 05:12.22 | SiliconViper | That I 'upgraded' |
| 05:12.33 | michal_ | hmm.. when i do a print in awk how can i print a , when it's also a delimeter? |
| 05:12.40 | overburnt | anyone got beagle up on their debian? |
| 05:13.02 | aRJAy | does the first CD have PHP and MySQL on it? and if so.. how do I find out what versions they are? |
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| 05:13.27 | blujay | SiliconViper: I mean, when you want to upgrade something again... |
| 05:13.34 | ArtVandalae | aRJAy, apt-cache will tell you the versions of packages |
| 05:13.44 | overburnt | aRJay:apt-get show |
| 05:13.56 | SiliconViper | blujay, shouldn't be any more hassle than this was. |
| 05:13.57 | overburnt | apt-cache show i mean |
| 05:14.05 | SiliconViper | Only took me.... 4-5 hours to do it. |
| 05:14.14 | blujay | SiliconViper: oh, is THAT all :) |
| 05:14.19 | SiliconViper | ^_~ Yep! |
| 05:14.31 | aRJAy | ArtVandalae: i have to wait till it's installed until I find out? is there a url that shows these details? if for example I don't want PHP 5.x and want PHP 4.x instead... etc.. |
| 05:14.31 | SiliconViper | It's an interesting setup. |
| 05:14.38 | overburnt | ,wiki |
| 05:14.41 | blujay | SiliconViper: do you have shadows on your windows in X? |
| 05:14.44 | SiliconViper | Mostly I just wanted to see if it could be done. |
| 05:14.54 | SiliconViper | blujay, haven't set that up yet. |
| 05:15.00 | SiliconViper | composite is next on the list, though. |
| 05:15.03 | blujay | SiliconViper: that's what I wanted to do |
| 05:15.10 | shingouz | you sure like to live on the edge there |
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| 05:15.26 | blujay | SiliconViper: I ALMOST got Xorg to start...but it just wouldn't find a module, even though it was under its nose |
| 05:15.39 | blujay | SiliconViper: it was ignoring LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 05:15.43 | bob2 | er |
| 05:15.52 | bob2 | xorg isn't going to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to load modules |
| 05:15.59 | blujay | SiliconViper: so I linked the modules it wanted to where it was looking, but it still would'nt find it |
| 05:16.00 | bob2 | it's using dlopen |
| 05:16.10 | MooglyGuy | Okay, I seem to have deleted /etc/init.d/gpm. apt-get remove gpm fails because it can't find /etc/init.d/gpm to delete, and apt-get install gpm fails because it can't find /etc/init.d/gpm either. |
| 05:16.12 | MooglyGuy | What should I do? |
| 05:16.25 | bob2 | not delete random files in future |
| 05:16.28 | blujay | bob2: well, I followed the howto that dpkg recommends...and it says to use that... |
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| 05:16.54 | nvz | MooglyGuy: tried apt-get install --reinstall gpm ? |
| 05:17.11 | bob2 | for now, run 'dpkg-deb -x /var/cache/apt/archives/gpm*.deb /tmp' and copy the init scrtip from there to /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:17.14 | bob2 | nvz: won't help |
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| 05:17.57 | SiliconViper | shingouz, yeah... somebody's gotta try crazy things like this, eh? |
| 05:17.59 | MooglyGuy | bob2, thanks for the help, but no thanks for the attitude. I deleted it because I'm trying to get my mouse to work on this HP 712/80 workstation and I've been seeing conflicting instructions, some people say to not use GPM, so that was what I decided to do, not use GPM. Now I'm finding that I want to try using GPM. Geez. |
| 05:18.10 | shingouz | SiliconViper: that is the way to learn |
| 05:18.15 | overburnt | bob2: hey are we using the xorg branch of xfree86 yet? |
| 05:18.26 | SiliconViper | overburnt, no. |
| 05:18.36 | bob2 | MooglyGuy: regardless of what you want to do, deleting random files is never a good idea |
| 05:18.43 | shingouz | personally i will not go into the experimental branch for a long time :) |
| 05:18.46 | bob2 | MooglyGuy: 15:17:11 bob2 | for now, run 'dpkg-deb -x /var/cache/apt/archives/gpm*.deb /tmp' and copy the init scrtip from there to /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:18.59 | bob2 | overburnt: no branch of Debian is yet |
| 05:19.02 | MooglyGuy | Right, that's why I said, "thanks for the help". I'm giving it a shot now. |
| 05:19.14 | aRJAy | repeat of question: Is there a URL that shows what packages and versions are on the first CD? |
| 05:19.16 | SiliconViper | shingouz, it's not needed. |
| 05:19.24 | overburnt | bob2: then why were u talking abt it? /me was confused. sorry |
| 05:19.26 | bob2 | MooglyGuy: my attitude is born of years of people deleting things they don't understand |
| 05:19.47 | shingouz | SiliconViper: no, i get all the problems i can take running Sid |
| 05:20.00 | SiliconViper | overburnt, because I'm insane, and I have xorg running on my debian system. |
| 05:20.02 | bob2 | overburnt: blujay is trying to get it to work |
| 05:20.14 | bob2 | blujay: I'd just use the hoary packages, personally |
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| 05:20.19 | overburnt | hey ther eis a nightly build of xfree86 hat supports transparancy right? |
| 05:20.28 | overburnt | anybody has any links to where i can find it? |
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| 05:20.39 | bob2 | overburnt: x.org has the Composite extension which lets you do thinks like that |
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| 05:20.44 | bob2 | overburnt: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 05:20.49 | SiliconViper | xfree86 has pseudo-transparency, you don't need a special build. |
| 05:21.04 | itga_ | Hi All, How can I do same thing with mkinitrd --preload=module on RH? |
| 05:21.13 | itga_ | in Debian |
| 05:21.23 | SiliconViper | And bob2, the mirror dpkg used to know about, is borked. |
| 05:21.34 | bob2 | SiliconViper: ok! |
| 05:21.44 | orchid | aRJAy: doesnt appear to be one debian.org at least |
| 05:21.44 | goodtod | is there any reason there is an xserver-xfree86 and no xserver-xorg? |
| 05:21.53 | bob2 | goodtod: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 05:21.57 | SiliconViper | goodtod, yes. |
| 05:22.08 | bob2 | a massive package restructure while trying to release sarge is a bad idea |
| 05:22.09 | SiliconViper | Because xorg is not in Debian. |
| 05:22.17 | aRJAy | anyone know of a URL showing what's on CD1? packages and versions? "anyone? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?" |
| 05:22.23 | nvz | that dpkg pisses me off :P doesnt respond much anymore. no more "I haven't a clue, nvz" it just makes me think its ignoring me |
| 05:22.36 | bob2 | !+cd contents |
| 05:22.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 05:22.41 | bob2 | aRJAy: ^ |
| 05:22.45 | MooglyGuy | Alright, excellent. |
| 05:22.54 | orchid | aRJAy: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
| 05:23.01 | MooglyGuy | My evening is fucking fantastic. Starting mouse interface server: gpm start failed. |
| 05:23.03 | alus | how can I tar up all the .something files in my home direcory? |
| 05:23.07 | blujay | so when Xorg gets into Debian, say when it gets moved into testing...will apt-get be able to replace XFree with it automatically, theoretically? |
| 05:23.09 | goodtod | bob2 and SiliconViper: thanks |
| 05:23.18 | alus | tar -cvvzf dot.tar.gz .* ; makes a tar of way too much stuff |
| 05:23.19 | aRJAy | cheers |
| 05:23.26 | bob2 | MooglyGuy: you should totally take it on the people helping you then |
| 05:23.27 | SiliconViper | goodtod, no worries. |
| 05:23.32 | bob2 | blujay: of course |
| 05:23.43 | blujay | bob2: good :) Debian is good. |
| 05:23.50 | nvz | alus: because it follows ../ probably |
| 05:23.55 | alus | yeh |
| 05:23.57 | bob2 | alus: er, won't that include ../? |
| 05:24.03 | bob2 | alus: so use ./ |
| 05:24.17 | alus | ./.* ? |
| 05:24.20 | nvz | alus: see --exclude |
| 05:24.26 | MooglyGuy | I'm not taking it out on anyone, I'm just acting bitchy in general because it's not working. I know quite well it isn't anything you've done wrong. I fucked up my own machine. |
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| 05:25.38 | quarupt | my problem fixed itself i guess |
| 05:25.42 | MooglyGuy | On the other hand, I don't know why I'm even bothering. Even using X with XFCE4 as the WM takes about five minutes to start up, and there's a visible delay between any windows opening up when I do it via the keyboard. |
| 05:25.44 | bob2 | alus: no, ./ |
| 05:25.53 | MooglyGuy | An 80MHz PA-RISC is not a fast processor. |
| 05:25.59 | MooglyGuy | ;) |
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| 05:26.17 | alus | I used: tar -cvvzf thing.tar.gz .* --exclude . --exclude .. ; and it worked great |
| 05:26.19 | alus | thanks |
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| 05:26.49 | disasm | MooglyGuy: in that case you may want a smaller wm |
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| 05:27.08 | MooglyGuy | As far as I knew, XFCE4 was the lightest WM you could get for Debian. |
| 05:27.11 | nvz | MooglyGuy: golem, ion, sawfish, fluckbox |
| 05:27.16 | bob2 | MooglyGuy: no way |
| 05:27.17 | disasm | alus: whats the double v do? |
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| 05:27.20 | shingouz | MooglyGuy: try going to xfce3 or even olvwm |
| 05:27.21 | nvz | er fluxbox |
| 05:27.23 | alus | I use sawfish |
| 05:27.30 | nvz | alus: good man :) |
| 05:27.31 | alus | disasm: I remember it as "very verbose" |
| 05:27.38 | alus | so I think it just steps up the printing a notch |
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| 05:27.47 | disasm | MooglyGuy: ice, flux, wmaker |
| 05:27.49 | nvz | golem is really light weight, when I used it, it took less than 3mb of memory |
| 05:27.49 | alus | maybe it ignores it ;) |
| 05:28.16 | MooglyGuy | disasm, I really don't think I should bother screwing with it anymore. |
| 05:28.41 | re` | hi - how can i make debian starting the X automatically after boot ? i don`t want to type each time startx :) |
| 05:29.05 | nvz | re`: install a Display Manager, like GDM, KDM, XDM, WDM..etc |
| 05:29.12 | re` | gnome is installed |
| 05:29.16 | re` | and works fine |
| 05:29.19 | nvz | re`: install GDM then |
| 05:29.24 | disasm | alus: i see vv in some examples in the man page but it doesn't explain it anywhere, odd... |
| 05:29.37 | re` | ok i`ll try thanks |
| 05:29.43 | xukpi | hi people, i'm having trouble with my nic..... eth0: no such device... i've configured /etc/network/interfaces, ran /etc/init.d/networking restart..., nothing...any pointers on what to try? |
| 05:29.56 | nvz | re`: GDM is the Gnome Display Manager, it will start X on boot, and present you with a login screen thats graphical and let you choose what type of X session to start |
| 05:29.57 | disasm | re`: other option is add startx to you .bashrc |
| 05:30.12 | nvz | eww |
| 05:30.26 | disasm | xukpi: is the module loaded? |
| 05:30.37 | disasm | xukpi: what chipset nic? |
| 05:30.56 | xukpi | how can i now if the module is loaded? |
| 05:31.09 | nvz | re`: I'd recommend installing gdm-themes as well, and going to the Actions menu > Configure Login Manager, and enabling the graphical greeter its prettier than the standard greeter |
| 05:31.14 | disasm | xukpi: lsmod |
| 05:32.12 | xukpi | nop...not loaded |
| 05:32.24 | disasm | xukpi: what chipset? |
| 05:34.04 | nvz | don't everyone talk at once now. |
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| 05:34.26 | xukpi | inet 845 |
| 05:34.32 | xukpi | intel 845 |
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| 05:34.43 | alus | ok here's an open ended one: opengl goes slower on sid/sarge then on woody |
| 05:34.58 | alus | s3 trio64 video card, sgi glx |
| 05:35.05 | nvz | heh |
| 05:35.06 | overburnt | disasm: eeek! thats the worst thing u can think of doing to add startx in ur bashrc |
| 05:35.28 | nvz | alus: whats your point? :p |
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| 05:35.33 | nvz | S3 sucks btw |
| 05:35.41 | alus | my point is gee, that sucks. |
| 05:35.42 | re` | ok should be installed ... -> reboot :) |
| 05:35.58 | alus | woody doesn't have as many cool things in apt |
| 05:36.03 | alus | like valgrind |
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| 05:36.42 | siimo | hi how do i disable root login over SSH ? |
| 05:37.00 | disasm | overburnt: i wouldn't do it myself, but I wouldn't use a graphical login either |
| 05:37.04 | nvz | siimo: AllowRootLogin False, IIRC |
| 05:37.08 | nvz | siimo: man ssh |
| 05:37.42 | Kvant | siimo, PermitRootLogin no |
| 05:37.50 | siimo | thanks |
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| 05:38.37 | alus | AllowHosts and AllowedAuthentications but PermitRoot |
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| 05:38.50 | nvz | siimo: PermitRootLogin no |
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| 05:39.01 | luca_ | hi |
| 05:39.03 | nvz | siimo: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:39.13 | luca_ | does anybody use cbds? |
| 05:39.14 | punsad | anyone else run into problems seeing a shared printer on a windowsxp box from linux |
| 05:39.29 | alus | or /etc/ssh2/sshd2_config if you're stuck on woody for opengl reasons |
| 05:39.34 | bob2 | luca_: cdbs? |
| 05:39.41 | punsad | it just doesn't show up when I run smbclient -L host -N |
| 05:40.05 | spoopin | punsad: I've gotten it to work, although I'm not usre I could remember how I did it :( |
| 05:40.15 | spoopin | s/usre/sure |
| 05:40.35 | punsad | I can mount shares no problem... just can't see printer |
| 05:40.39 | luca_ | bob2: Common Debian Building System (or something like that) |
| 05:40.45 | bob2 | luca_: yes, cdbs. |
| 05:40.49 | spoopin | punsad: You have smbclient installed? |
| 05:40.49 | bob2 | luca_: lots of people do. |
| 05:41.00 | punsad | spoopin: yeah... |
| 05:41.16 | punsad | spoopin: I can see the shared dirs when running smbclient -L host -N |
| 05:41.26 | luca_ | I'm trying to make a package using rules: makefile, tarball, simple-patchsys and debhelper |
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| 05:41.45 | luca_ | Is really a simple package, just 2 binary files |
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| 05:42.12 | luca_ | But I can put the binary files in the package (just the documentation is added) |
| 05:42.14 | bob2 | do you really need tarball and simple-patchsys then? |
| 05:42.16 | disasm | xukpi: try modprobe e100 or eepro100 |
| 05:42.27 | spoopin | punsad: As I recall, I used lpr locally to call a printfilter that piped the output to smbclient |
| 05:42.51 | luca_ | bob2: well, no, I use them just to make it easy to mantain (that's the idea of cdbs :) |
| 05:42.57 | spoopin | punsad: unfortunately that was about 3 years ago.... |
| 05:43.12 | luca_ | bob2: I need to patch it because Makefile doesn't handle $DESTDIR |
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| 05:43.26 | spoopin | punsad: smbclient -L //host doesn't show the printer as a shared resource? |
| 05:43.27 | quarupt | okay i found the prob, i think my roomie is stealing all my BW, how can i limit his BW usage? |
| 05:43.50 | punsad | spoopin: nope... all the directories show up though |
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| 05:44.08 | punsad | spoopin: and I have no problem mounting them |
| 05:44.11 | spoopin | quarupt: does traffic route through your box? |
| 05:44.16 | nvz | quarupt: I recommend wire cutters :) |
| 05:44.26 | xukpi | disasm: e100 (can't locate module e100).....eepro100 i get insmod error |
| 05:44.26 | luca_ | bob2: I'm kind of lost, I have the feeling of having this problem with another package some time ago, not using cdbs |
| 05:44.36 | punsad | spoopin: I might look into the smbprint script that comes with samba |
| 05:44.44 | disasm | xukpi: then try modprobe e100pro |
| 05:44.47 | luca_ | bob2: I have 'usr/bin' on debian/dirs, Is anything else needed? |
| 05:44.48 | bob2 | luca_: not sure you mentioned the specific problem yet |
| 05:45.02 | bob2 | luca_: depends what you're doing |
| 05:45.05 | luca_ | bob2: my binary files are not included in the package |
| 05:45.06 | spoopin | punsad: I'd go back to the XP box and make sure it's shared properly and you don't need a/another password to access it |
| 05:45.07 | bob2 | you're being waaaaaay too vague |
| 05:45.21 | nvz | quarupt: because even with knowlage and rehab, bandwidth junkies dont clean up well |
| 05:45.28 | bob2 | luca_: if you want something in the package, it has to get into debian/packagename/ |
| 05:45.32 | xukpi | disasm: can't locate module e100pro |
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| 05:45.40 | punsad | spoopin: yeah... I've got another winxp laptop that I might try that with |
| 05:45.42 | bob2 | luca_: so you need to make the makefile put it there, or add a debian/packagename.install file |
| 05:46.05 | disasm | you said it couldn't find e100? |
| 05:46.12 | luca_ | bob2: Isn't that what debian/dirs is? |
| 05:46.13 | spoopin | punsad: have at it. and good luck |
| 05:46.14 | quarupt | spoopin, The router is in my room only i have password, only I am computer literate can i cut him down to like 30k and the rest for me? |
| 05:46.16 | bob2 | luca_: no |
| 05:46.21 | luca_ | bob2: and make install? |
| 05:46.23 | xukpi | yep, it couldn't |
| 05:46.26 | luca_ | bob2: mmm... |
| 05:46.29 | bob2 | luca_: that tells one of the debhelper scripts to make that dir in the tarball |
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| 05:46.41 | punsad | spoopin: thanks for trying |
| 05:46.42 | bob2 | luca_: 15:45:44 bob2 | luca_: so you need to make the makefile put it there, or add a debian/packagename.install file |
| 05:46.49 | spoopin | quarupt: I guess that depends on the capabilities of the router, then |
| 05:46.55 | spoopin | punsad: np |
| 05:47.03 | disasm | quarupt: depends on your router, most likely not |
| 05:47.13 | quarupt | Linksys |
| 05:47.27 | quarupt | broadband router |
| 05:47.28 | spoopin | quarupt: likely, no |
| 05:47.37 | quarupt | well this sucks |
| 05:47.43 | luca_ | bob2: ok, and what do I have to put in debian/pkg.install file? usr/bin/mybinary? |
| 05:47.48 | spoopin | quarupt: try a bat on the roommate, maybe ;) |
| 05:47.57 | xukpi | disasm: on eepro100 it gives a hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters |
| 05:48.07 | quarupt | while he is in his room DL'n debbie does dallas on limewire at 350K im in my room waiting 15 minutes to load slahdot infirefox |
| 05:48.08 | bob2 | luca_: man dh_install |
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| 05:48.55 | disasm | xukpi: you get any hints as to what the device is in lspci? |
| 05:49.01 | poli | quarupt, hey, that sucks. I usually collide my brother's IP address when he does that. It's kinda fun... ;) |
| 05:49.19 | luca_ | bob2: thansk |
| 05:49.41 | nvz | quarupt: like I said, wirecutters :P if notrhing else, just cut 4 of the 8 wires he got.. then he's gone from a 100BaseT connection to the router to a 10BaseT.. heh |
| 05:50.03 | alus | you can do 100 with 4 wires |
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| 05:50.06 | xukpi | disasm: ethernet controller: Intel corp. unknown device 100e |
| 05:50.13 | quarupt | I mean something isnt right, my activity light on the router is allmost solid and his is blinking like crazy |
| 05:50.14 | merlincorey | . |
| 05:50.14 | poli | alus, but not with 3! ;) |
| 05:50.20 | alus | heh |
| 05:50.51 | nvz | quarupt: does he run windows? |
| 05:50.55 | quarupt | Soon i will start drinking beer and i wont care if im getting 5 k |
| 05:50.58 | quarupt | Yes |
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| 05:51.21 | quarupt | he doesnt even know the dif between a ping and a ping pong table |
| 05:51.31 | alus | ? sudo rm -rd foo/ ; "rm: cannot unlink `foo': Is a directory" |
| 05:51.34 | quarupt | but he pasy a third of the bill |
| 05:51.36 | alus | that makes no sense |
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| 05:51.42 | quarupt | pays |
| 05:51.49 | poli | quarupt, Well, lets try to find you some way of getting a fair amount of bandwidth... |
| 05:51.53 | nvz | so much for windows fair Queue of packets |
| 05:52.02 | quarupt | that would be nice |
| 05:52.16 | nvz | windows enables Packet queue by default |
| 05:52.26 | nvz | QoS IIRC |
| 05:52.27 | disasm | quarupt: it may be not worth the trouble, but you could always put two nics in your linux box, and run squid, forcing him to go through your computer, and allowing you to limit his bandwidth |
| 05:52.28 | poli | quarupt, Ok... first nasty thing: you can always ping -f his IP number and let statistics do the fair-queue job... ;) |
| 05:52.34 | quarupt | I mean i do get good download speeds, but slow web surfing and takes a long time to connect to a debian mirror |
| 05:52.43 | poli | disasm, Won't do for limewire. :( |
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| 05:52.58 | alus | so why might rm -rd fail at removing a directory? |
| 05:53.01 | quarupt | poli, how do i do that |
| 05:53.10 | poli | quarupt, I just told you. ;) |
| 05:53.13 | bob2 | alus: lots of reasons. look at -f. |
| 05:53.32 | quarupt | just ping -f his machine? |
| 05:53.39 | quarupt | i dunno his IP |
| 05:53.44 | alus | bob2: still says cannot unlink |
| 05:53.48 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 05:53.55 | quarupt | i have 2 roomies, one is never connected |
| 05:53.55 | FieldySnuts | don't tell people to ping -f sheesh |
| 05:54.18 | poli | FieldySnuts, Local network |
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| 05:54.35 | alus | ah, it doesn't like -rd only -r |
| 05:55.09 | alus | that's certainly different in woody, here |
| 05:55.11 | nvz | you know I never realized Linksys was part of Cisco |
| 05:55.30 | poli | quarupt, And you can always try to screw up the router's ARP table to get some timeout from the refresh. That depends on your router response to the ARP stuff, of course. |
| 05:55.33 | alus | fairly recent, within the year |
| 05:55.43 | poli | nvz, Cisco bought Linksys some 2 years ago, if I recall. |
| 05:56.06 | nvz | if you can't beat em, buy em |
| 05:56.06 | alus | 2? time flys |
| 05:56.08 | alus | flies? |
| 05:56.32 | poli | alus, I am not sure, but I think so... and indeed, I am getting older every day... :( |
| 05:57.16 | nvz | I got Wireless 802.11b/g here now, and nothing to hook to it.. heh I got it disabled for this reason |
| 05:57.46 | poli | nvz, I have something to hook to a 802.11g but no 802.11g to hook it to. :( |
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| 05:58.59 | nvz | poli: wanna buy a linksys router? heh its got two antennas 4 port hub built in, supports 802.11b/g :P I got like 4 little home broadband routers now.. I need to get rid of some, even if its the newest one :P |
| 05:59.24 | luca_ | bob2: ok, just for the records, dh_make's debian/rules uses debian/package as DESTDIR, while the 'tutorial' I used for cdbs uses debian/tmp, and that's why my files weren't in debian/package and never included in the package. Thanks for your help again |
| 05:59.28 | poli | nvz, can you ship to Brazil? ;) |
| 05:59.40 | alus | I have a g router but only a b card |
| 05:59.48 | alus | I was waiting for g minipci to come down |
| 05:59.51 | nvz | poli: not me personally... heh but I am sure someone could |
| 05:59.51 | alus | I wonder if they have.. |
| 06:00.01 | quarupt | how canwhy does he get more than I do? |
| 06:00.01 | nvz | thats what UPS and FedEx and shit are for |
| 06:00.08 | poli | nvz, true |
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| 06:00.38 | poli | nvz, the problem is the damn 50% import tax. Damn. |
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| 06:00.56 | alus | wow $36 for an intel |
| 06:00.58 | nvz | poli: heh |
| 06:01.12 | jetscreamer | some routers give you control over qos... ie, you can limit his bandwidth. |
| 06:01.56 | MooglyGuy | EXCELLENTNESS! |
| 06:01.57 | poli | jetscreamer, Do you know any router that limit incoming badwidth? |
| 06:02.05 | poli | MooglyGuy, seems good |
| 06:02.26 | jetscreamer | linksys w54g or some such... |
| 06:02.27 | MooglyGuy | I finally got ftpd and sshd installed on my 712/80 workstation, so now I can just access it remotely from this machine. Now I can reconnect my main monitor to my computer that's actually useful! |
| 06:02.36 | MooglyGuy | :P |
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| 06:03.37 | MooglyGuy | You know, I should really email my System Administration professor and tell him to give me some goddamn extra credit for all of the garbage I've done in the past week regarding *x machines that's unrelated to class. |
| 06:04.17 | bob2 | luca_: that's the difference between multiple- and single-binary packages |
| 06:04.30 | bob2 | luca_: in multiple-binary ones, the contents of binary package foo comes from debian/foo/. |
| 06:04.30 | quarupt | whats a good p2p |
| 06:04.32 | MooglyGuy | I installed FC3 on my desktop on a lark last weekend. On Friday morning, I spent a few hours installing IRIX onto an Origin 200 server using the serial console (since they're all headless). Then now I've installed hppa Debian on an HP 712/80 workstation and gotten it configured properly. :P |
| 06:04.40 | nvz | quarupt: gift |
| 06:04.41 | poli | quarupt, depends on what you want to get. |
| 06:04.42 | quarupt | one that uses all the networks |
| 06:04.46 | jetscreamer | !info bittornado |
| 06:04.49 | nvz | quarupt: gift |
| 06:04.51 | dpkg | bittornado: (bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 146 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 06:04.58 | quarupt | isnt gidt that ncurs one |
| 06:05.01 | quarupt | I want an X one |
| 06:05.03 | nvz | quarupt: nope |
| 06:05.06 | nvz | quarupt: gift |
| 06:05.08 | poli | quarupt, too demanding... lol |
| 06:05.12 | quarupt | does gift have a good x front end? |
| 06:05.29 | jetscreamer | giftui, apollon... |
| 06:05.31 | nvz | quarupt: it has many frontends, X, Win32, Console.. etc |
| 06:05.44 | luca_ | bob2: ok, I guess the cdbs tutorial is not very clear about that (not at least for a not-experienced packager :) |
| 06:05.50 | nvz | quarupt: I have it running here on OpenFT, FastTrack, and Gnutella |
| 06:06.06 | quarupt | what about aMule any good? |
| 06:06.12 | nvz | nope |
| 06:06.21 | quarupt | there is no Gift package in my repositories :( |
| 06:06.29 | nvz | quarupt: giftd is the server |
| 06:06.39 | nvz | quarupt: then you need to search for a client |
| 06:06.39 | quarupt | I want more repositories, how can i add some? |
| 06:06.50 | bob2 | god |
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| 06:06.56 | bob2 | LETS ADD RANDOM ARCHIVES LOLZ |
| 06:07.05 | bob2 | gift is in sarge and sid |
| 06:07.13 | bob2 | and didn't exist when woody froze, afair |
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| 06:07.18 | quarupt | well i know i want the Ubuntu repositories |
| 06:07.22 | jetscreamer | you don't need >2 archives imo, nor >640k |
| 06:07.25 | nvz | !info giftd woody |
| 06:07.27 | nvz | I think it did |
| 06:07.29 | jetscreamer | !fuck ubuntu |
| 06:07.30 | bob2 | quarupt: no you don't |
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| 06:07.35 | quarupt | Im not in woody |
| 06:07.38 | quarupt | im using Sarge |
| 06:07.39 | nvz | but you are probably right |
| 06:07.43 | bob2 | then use sarge |
| 06:07.47 | nvz | I thought I used it a while back, but must have been in sid |
| 06:07.47 | bob2 | do not mix sarge and ubuntu |
| 06:07.51 | quarupt | how? |
| 06:08.05 | Myren | anyone kwhats that expression that means reason for existance? its french... |
| 06:08.15 | robin | raison d'etre? |
| 06:08.21 | Myren | yes, many thanks |
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| 06:08.34 | poli | is this some kind of game? |
| 06:08.44 | jetscreamer | !game |
| 06:08.45 | dpkg | TuxGames has a petition for ports to linux. Sign it by going to http://www.tuxgames.com/petitions |
| 06:08.48 | quarupt | why does it take me so long to connect to my mirror? |
| 06:08.53 | jetscreamer | !mirror |
| 06:08.53 | dpkg | from memory, mirror is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list | <reply> see mirrors |
| 06:08.59 | poli | quarupt, Your roommate. |
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| 06:09.22 | quarupt | i dunno how to change my APT mirror though |
| 06:09.24 | jetscreamer | !stupid question |
| 06:09.24 | dpkg | There're no stupid questions, but a lot of inquisitive idiots. |
| 06:09.33 | bob2 | quarupt: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:09.41 | jetscreamer | quarupt, why do you want to... use apt-spy |
| 06:09.43 | quarupt | okay |
| 06:09.55 | quarupt | but where do i find the giftd client? |
| 06:10.06 | jetscreamer | in a repo |
| 06:10.06 | quarupt | I dunno how to use apt-spy |
| 06:10.09 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 06:10.13 | jetscreamer | man apt-spy |
| 06:10.24 | quarupt | apt-spy not foud |
| 06:10.25 | nvz | I cant believe I am nurvous about talking on the radio.. I used to be good at this stuff.. and I am a true unsophisticated redneck, so I dont really have to try hard to communicate with these people |
| 06:10.39 | quarupt | NPR |
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| 06:10.49 | nvz | I am just curious if this coathanger is getting me any real signal here :P |
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| 06:11.11 | quarupt | Non-Profit-Radio |
| 06:11.19 | quarupt | NEO-CONS |
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| 06:12.01 | quarupt | what am i talking about anyways |
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| 06:12.52 | quarupt | Okay i read the man im still lost, how do ya use it, like gimme an example, i wanna use it to find a client for giftd |
| 06:12.56 | noppe | nvz: wtf are you talking about? |
| 06:13.02 | bob2 | quarupt: er |
| 06:13.09 | bob2 | quarupt: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:13.13 | nvz | noppe: I got a CB radio and a scanner today for free |
| 06:13.18 | noppe | nvz: ahhh |
| 06:13.20 | bob2 | randomly editing your sources.list is pointless |
| 06:13.25 | nvz | noppe: its been a long time since I was talking like a redneck on the radio |
| 06:13.28 | Tabitha | Where can I find the fix for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=280233 ? Apt-get update will only get -6.2, not the -6.3 fix and prodding around on ftp.us.debian.org hasn't resulted in much either (libmm11_1.1.3-6.3_i386.deb) |
| 06:13.52 | quarupt | so what do you suggest, i just wanna use a diff mirror cause mine sux |
| 06:13.59 | poli | hum wikipedia random sometimes gets me good stuff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLA |
| 06:14.03 | bob2 | quarupt: so find one and use it |
| 06:14.05 | ysothoth | Is there a way to make copying files from a possibly scratched cdr less sucky? When I get i/o errors my whole system seems to halt. I just want it to stop retrying :) |
| 06:14.19 | bob2 | quarupt: or use apt-setup |
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| 06:14.56 | nvz | I need to go get an antenna, there arent any truckstops within coat-hanger range |
| 06:15.32 | quarupt | still takes forewver to connect |
| 06:15.37 | boukensya | hey guys.. I am looking for a jukebox program so people at parties can select stuff and it add the song to a que (mp3's). Preferably one that is curses based.. I tried pytone and juke and disliked them both |
| 06:15.51 | poli | quarupt, kill your room mate |
| 06:15.54 | quarupt | and why does it take forever to load pictures on a web page! AHHH im getting annoyed |
| 06:16.13 | kaplanfx | are there any console based web browser that render images (on a frambuffer) that are packaged for debian? |
| 06:16.18 | quarupt | I need him to pay his part of the bill |
| 06:16.27 | poli | quarupt, pull his cable out, wait 10 seconds and see if it gets better |
| 06:16.42 | kaplanfx | I thought I had heard there was links -g but I installed links and -g is an unknown switch |
| 06:16.49 | takatumi | kaplanfx: links2 |
| 06:17.28 | quarupt | Yes its way better |
| 06:17.30 | kaplanfx | takatumi: ah, I'll check it out |
| 06:17.34 | poli | quarupt, you are welcome |
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| 06:17.58 | quarupt | yea but he needs to be connected to |
| 06:18.10 | poli | quarupt, is he asleep? :) |
| 06:18.13 | quarupt | fuck, why cant I have my cake and eat it too |
| 06:18.15 | nvz | poli: does your roommate with his pants around his ankles in your room make it better? :P |
| 06:18.16 | quarupt | no |
| 06:18.33 | poli | quarupt, then put it back. |
| 06:18.40 | quarupt | why does it automatically give him all the BW, cause he is on Windoze? |
| 06:18.50 | poli | nvz, it's 3 in the morning here, how would I know the guy is still up! ;P |
| 06:18.58 | poli | quarupt, No. |
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| 06:19.00 | quarupt | maybe i have a bad port on the router |
| 06:19.10 | kaplanfx | takatumi: thats exactly what I was looking for |
| 06:19.14 | bob2 | hahaha "bad port" |
| 06:19.19 | kaplanfx | it seems to dislike gdm though |
| 06:19.23 | quarupt | Well i need something |
| 06:19.28 | quarupt | FUCK |
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| 06:19.44 | poli | quarupt, Does his client have bandwidth limitation? Many clients have. |
| 06:20.04 | Tabitha | quarupt: I used to have a roommate who was deliquent with her share of the internet bill. I solved it rather quickly with some proxy and QoS magic. ;) |
| 06:20.21 | burnt-toast | if u have a linksys router u can block by mac address |
| 06:20.24 | burnt-toast | :-) |
| 06:20.30 | burnt-toast | used that one before too lol |
| 06:20.32 | segment | hi, im trying to do hexidecimal arithmatic using bc, but it produces zero when i type this: echo "ibase=16; a + a" | bc -q |
| 06:20.36 | poli | Tabitha, That's the way, girl! |
| 06:20.46 | Tabitha | :D |
| 06:21.12 | Tabitha | poli: I used microsoft products at the time, so it's not-so-smecksi. |
| 06:21.25 | poli | Tabitha, It's a start... :) |
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| 06:21.50 | quarupt | there has to be some way that we can split the bandwidth equally |
| 06:22.07 | poli | Tabitha, good to know that MS products can do QoS anyway. I really have no idea of what they are capable of... lol |
| 06:22.24 | poli | quarupt, You can always do as Tabitha did. |
| 06:22.29 | quarupt | im gunna ping -f him |
| 06:22.42 | quarupt | how do i see all IP's on my lan? |
| 06:22.50 | poli | quarupt, I didn't teach you that! :) |
| 06:23.07 | poli | quarupt, arp may be a good start |
| 06:23.13 | Tabitha | poli: IIRC it was ISA Server |
| 06:23.15 | quarupt | teach me how to see all the IP's pon mah lan |
| 06:23.32 | MooglyGuy | Say, do any of you have access to machines that have compilers installed, for which I don't already have binaries listed on this page? http://www.zophar.net/personal/mooglyguy/codegen.html |
| 06:23.33 | Tabitha | quarupt: does your router have a cutesy web interface? |
| 06:23.34 | burnt-toast | quarupt: what kind of router do u have? |
| 06:23.37 | poli | quarupt, I already did. Again. |
| 06:24.00 | Tabitha | visit http://192.168.1.1 and see what happens ;) |
| 06:24.01 | spoopin | quarupt: if your Linksys is the DHCP server for your LAN it'll keep track of the addresses it's given out |
| 06:24.18 | Tabitha | ^^ quarupt |
| 06:24.25 | kaplanfx | can the vesa framebuffer to 1600x1200 I can't find the code for it anywhere? |
| 06:24.27 | MooglyGuy | Also, you might try 192.168.0.1 |
| 06:24.27 | poli | quarupt, go with arp |
| 06:24.36 | kaplanfx | er do 1600x1200 I meant |
| 06:24.36 | quarupt | it has a web interface yea |
| 06:24.37 | MooglyGuy | (that's the IP for my router, at least) |
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| 06:24.43 | quarupt | im getting ethereal |
| 06:24.48 | overburnt | hi all :) |
| 06:24.52 | nvz | mine is 10.0.0.1 its easier to type.. heh |
| 06:24.53 | poli | quarupt, did you try good old arp? :) |
| 06:25.01 | poli | nvz, mine is 172.16.66.66 |
| 06:25.05 | nvz | heh |
| 06:25.07 | quarupt | i didnt have arp |
| 06:25.13 | poli | nvz, My friends say I am sick. |
| 06:25.16 | quarupt | i thought if im gunna get a lan tool get a nice one |
| 06:25.22 | poli | quarupt, You always have arp. Try being root. |
| 06:25.32 | nvz | I think the 10.0.0.x addresses are easiest to type, so thats what I use for class C home networks |
| 06:25.52 | Tabitha | nvz: Alas, I don't believe linksys gives you such options. |
| 06:25.55 | quarupt | everytime i try to launch something from a root console it says |
| 06:25.58 | kaplanfx | I've been using 192.168.1.1 forever |
| 06:25.59 | quarupt | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 06:25.59 | quarupt | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 06:25.59 | quarupt | (ethereal:3951): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 06:26.10 | kaplanfx | ever since my first linksys defaulted to that |
| 06:26.17 | nvz | Tabitha: sure it does. I am using a Linksys router with 4 port hub and 802.11b/g wireless |
| 06:26.24 | MooglyGuy | Okay, thanks, guys. |
| 06:26.25 | poli | quarupt, I am not supposed to tell you what I do in that case. |
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| 06:26.33 | MobyTurbo | !tell quarupt about sux |
| 06:26.35 | poli | quarupt, I hate being politically correct. |
| 06:26.40 | burnt-toast | if its linksys and u use dhcp you can look at the dhcp client log to see what ip was given to ur room mates machine |
| 06:26.59 | alus | apt has mozilla but not firefox? |
| 06:27.01 | Tabitha | oh lookie there. Right on the first page. "Local IP Address" |
| 06:27.21 | overburnt | alus: it has mozilla-firefox |
| 06:27.25 | quarupt | whats the big deal |
| 06:27.34 | MobyTurbo | alus: mozilla-firefox is in sarge and sid |
| 06:27.39 | alus | overburnt: woody doesn't |
| 06:28.03 | alus | woody is ancient |
| 06:28.15 | Tabitha | or.. firefox != stable? ;) |
| 06:28.35 | overburnt | alus: this is my sources.list entry : deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 06:28.53 | nvz | if I could get an antenna for this scanner I would put it in muh PC |
| 06:28.55 | quarupt | alus apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 06:29.05 | overburnt | alus: and yes firefox is not stable yet.. they still have mozilla 1.4 in the stable distro right? |
| 06:29.05 | alus | oh |
| 06:29.07 | alus | overburnt: I tried that, first the transition is really hard, second opengl slows down by about 10x |
| 06:29.24 | nvz | run it through my sound card on one of the currently unused channels |
| 06:29.41 | alus | quarupt: no such package, see conversation |
| 06:29.50 | quarupt | lol |
| 06:29.56 | alus | I think firefox is plenty stable |
| 06:29.58 | overburnt | alus: its going to take ages for firefox to reach 'stable'.. |
| 06:30.01 | Tabitha | nvz: There's a nice site somewhere that features shoutcasted air-traffic control streams. Perhaps you could set up similar. |
| 06:30.01 | quarupt | your not using the right source then cause i just did it |
| 06:30.11 | overburnt | lets give it another 4 to 5 years i think |
| 06:30.19 | alus | stable just means "old" |
| 06:30.32 | Tabitha | alus: or is it that old things tend to be stable? |
| 06:30.33 | overburnt | alus: stable's bloody stable and FAST too |
| 06:30.35 | quarupt | woody just now became "stable" how long did that take |
| 06:30.55 | overburnt | quarupt: 3 years + !!?? |
| 06:30.57 | nvz | Tabitha: got what appears to be a brand new never used, Uniden Bearcat BC-1 seems to scan all 40 CB channels and also has options for Police band and "WX" whatever the hell that is |
| 06:30.58 | MobyTurbo | quarupt: no, woody has been stable for years |
| 06:31.16 | kreg | debian got a tool to sort mp3s?? |
| 06:31.17 | Tabitha | nvz: WX is the NOAA weather radio frequencies. |
| 06:31.18 | poli | MobyTurbo, too many of them, by the way. ;) |
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| 06:31.34 | quarupt | No, actually it became officially stable 2 months ago see www.debian.org |
| 06:31.42 | poli | quarupt, woody? |
| 06:31.57 | MobyTurbo | poli: rumor has it that testing-security will become active soon, and that's one of the main things blocking sarge. |
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| 06:32.14 | nvz | Tabitha: oh, I see. well I already got gnome-weather-applet, and no way to power this unit if the electricity went out, so its not that useful to me.. heh |
| 06:32.14 | MobyTurbo | quarupt: revision 4 only a few months ago |
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| 06:32.50 | poli | MobyTurbo, I have heard these rumors... IMHO Debian is losing much with this extended delay. :( |
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| 06:33.02 | quarupt | !tell MobyTurbo about woody |
| 06:33.19 | Tabitha | nvz: I'm sure the CB band will be much more useful for you! ;) Does anyone actually use CB anymore? (aside from truckers?) |
| 06:33.30 | MobyTurbo | quarupt: what part of "2002" do you not understand? |
| 06:33.38 | poli | quarupt, I remember the day woody got into deep freeze. But just barely, I was a small child by then... ;) |
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| 06:34.30 | poli | MobyTurbo, If I recall, potato didn't last that long as stable, did it? |
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| 06:34.54 | nvz | Tabitha: not that I know of, I havent had one in a long time.. I used to use them a lot as a kid |
| 06:35.10 | overburnt | poli: LOL |
| 06:35.17 | poli | Tabitha, Citizens Band? |
| 06:35.20 | MobyTurbo | poli: I don't know, although I've been using Linux since kernel 0.95 I'm bad about dates |
| 06:35.35 | nvz | Tabitha: but I got a Cobra CB, and a Uniden Scanner today, as well as a Pencil Torch.. so far I havent a use for any of it |
| 06:36.37 | quarupt | I pickup over 12 relays on this old thing |
| 06:36.47 | burnt-toast | for i in $(cat /etc/fstab | grep -v "#" | awk '{ print $2}' | egrep "hd|sd"); do sudo mount -o ro $i; done |
| 06:36.49 | burnt-toast | oops |
| 06:36.53 | burnt-toast | wrong window |
| 06:36.58 | nvz | I used to have this one CB that was really cool, cause back then CBs were pretty big, and the handheld ones usually sported like 3 channels with replacable crystals.. but I had a handheld 40channel that was pretty cool, I eventually broke it |
| 06:37.13 | MobyTurbo | burnt-toast: passwd: |
| 06:37.33 | burnt-toast | MobyTurbo: hmm? |
| 06:37.43 | MobyTurbo | burnt-toast: j/k |
| 06:37.48 | burnt-toast | MobyTurbo: lol |
| 06:37.56 | quarupt | would you call Fedora stable? |
| 06:38.04 | burnt-toast | MobyTurbo: could u imagine that being your password? roflmao |
| 06:38.14 | burnt-toast | quarupt: i would not personally no |
| 06:38.26 | nvz | all I need to do is break in and say "breaker 1-9 this is rustycoathanger for radio check, anyone copy?".. but I cant bring myself to do it.. when I was a kid I would say anything on these things |
| 06:38.38 | poli | MobyTurbo, My first kernel was 1.0.something. I don't remember, but it was also a long long time ago... |
| 06:38.43 | MobyTurbo | quarupt: FC3 comes with a version of xorg that locks my machine in minutes. |
| 06:38.56 | quarupt | lol |
| 06:38.59 | nvz | maybe if I get a bigger antenna and can hear people talking on them again it might come back to me |
| 06:39.03 | MobyTurbo | poli: it took a couple of years to progress from 0.99 to 1.0 |
| 06:39.04 | quarupt | Im glad i didnt go with RH |
| 06:39.09 | nvz | the rusty coat hanger isnt doing any justice |
| 06:39.35 | quarupt | I was trying to decide what distro i wanted this time, and i thought "stable" and guess what was the first thing that popped in mah head |
| 06:39.39 | quarupt | Debian |
| 06:39.55 | quarupt | I almost used slack |
| 06:40.07 | poli | MobyTurbo, Yes, I know. I had to wait until Internet arrived to be able to get in touch. That was in 1994. :( |
| 06:40.25 | poli | quarupt, Good to know you chose the path of light, my son. |
| 06:40.37 | quarupt | Hey, i have a tv card in my vid card, is there any stable apps for it? |
| 06:41.29 | disasm | quarupt: what vid card? |
| 06:41.32 | poli | MobyTurbo, Before that (I was 15 or so) the only thing I coulg play with was SCO. And it was terrible. :( |
| 06:41.35 | MobyTurbo | poli: I didn't keep up with Linux development for a while too, since I didn't have internet for a while after I moved away from DC to an area where internet wasn't available. (This was before affordable commercial internet) |
| 06:41.35 | nvz | debian is more for slackers than slackware.. slackware is about manual labor :P |
| 06:41.55 | quarupt | Gentoo, is the most labor intense i believe |
| 06:42.03 | MobyTurbo | poli: SCO was always the Microsoft of Unix - even for propritary PC SysV Unix it sucked. |
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| 06:42.27 | disasm | quarupt: gentoo isn't labor intensive, it's time intensive |
| 06:42.33 | quarupt | You have to compile everything in gentoo, from X to KDE |
| 06:42.34 | burnt-toast | and then M$ paid SCO to be the M$ of Unix |
| 06:42.35 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:42.36 | nvz | I used Slackware before I used debian.. it was after I decided I need a real OS after using Mandrake for a while.. I started looking at Slackware, FreeBSD, and such, and luckily I found debian. |
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| 06:42.52 | MobyTurbo | poli: I had a shell account running Microport SysV before I ran Linux on my own box, though Microport had its problems |
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| 06:43.08 | disasm | quarupt: yeah, but it's one command to compile, you come back 3 - 5 days later, and it's done |
| 06:43.14 | quarupt | The worst Distro i have ever used personally, SuSe |
| 06:43.33 | poli | MobyTurbo, I had a RS/6000 account. I got my first linux before PPP was available. Took a long time to ftp and then kermit it home... lol good days... lol |
| 06:43.33 | ysothoth | quarupt: When was that? |
| 06:43.48 | quarupt | 2 or so years ago |
| 06:43.49 | MobyTurbo | quarupt: what version? |
| 06:43.51 | burnt-toast | f-prot $(cat /etc/fstab | grep -v "#" | awk '{ print $2}' | egrep "hd|sd") -all -ai -archive -dumb -packed -report=/virus.txt |
| 06:43.52 | quarupt | suse 7 i think |
| 06:43.53 | burnt-toast | dangit |
| 06:43.53 | disasm | quarupt: i used to use SuSE back at 6.4 |
| 06:43.54 | ysothoth | Yeah it is a lot better now :) |
| 06:44.00 | poli | MobyTurbo, In 1996 I got into the Unversity where I could finally get stuff online... :) It was in version 1.2 by then. |
| 06:44.12 | quarupt | Im not an RPM guy myself |
| 06:44.38 | MobyTurbo | poli: my SySV account used UUCP to connect to other systems. I ran my own FidoNet node as well. |
| 06:44.49 | poli | MobyTurbo, I was 4:801/33! :) |
| 06:44.56 | quarupt | Dpkg never has let me down |
| 06:45.06 | disasm | quarupt: you were asking on your tv out on your vid card, what vid card is it? |
| 06:45.29 | quarupt | ATI all inwonder 9600 pro |
| 06:45.29 | nvz | well I could always hook the cb's PA output to my mic port and use it for a microphone :P other than that I got no use for it |
| 06:45.31 | MobyTurbo | 1:109/536, and I also had a net 271 node, forgot what it was, plus a point on a couple of 271 systems |
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| 06:46.24 | poli | MobyTurbo, I was 13 or 14 by that time... long time ago... LOL |
| 06:46.25 | MobyTurbo | poli: what continent is zone 4? Asia? |
| 06:46.41 | poli | MobyTurbo, Latin America. :8 is Brazil 01, Sao Paulo |
| 06:46.41 | quarupt | Im only 19 |
| 06:46.44 | MobyTurbo | no, Asia is zone 6. |
| 06:46.51 | quarupt | ANd i almost have my BA in CS |
| 06:47.02 | disasm | quarupt: if your interested in setting it up as a pvr, i think freevo supports the ati all in wonder |
| 06:47.04 | MobyTurbo | quarupt: that's OK, we'll forgive you for being a whippersnapper |
| 06:47.18 | quarupt | lol |
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| 06:47.57 | quarupt | Too bad the programming field is so crowded where i live, i guess my degree will be no more than still TP |
| 06:48.07 | quarupt | Stiff* |
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| 06:48.51 | quarupt | hrm boored, lets install some stuff |
| 06:49.01 | quarupt | i dun even think i have gcc yet |
| 06:49.06 | poli | quarupt, I am 26. :) And I am a senior consultant. :) |
| 06:49.31 | poli | quarupt, considering my degree is in mechanical engineering, I turned out quite well, my mom says... LOL |
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| 06:49.46 | quarupt | I am 19, and I work in a computer lab, in a Univ |
| 06:49.55 | quarupt | i get paid les than a camel in Kuwait |
| 06:50.13 | poli | quarupt, Kuwait is a rich country. ;) |
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| 06:50.17 | quarupt | And i spend all day administering a crappy win2k3 server |
| 06:50.29 | quarupt | I have many friends from Kuait, i know this |
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| 06:50.50 | burnt-toast | yay wireless linux laptop :-) not many things that are nicer than this :D |
| 06:50.55 | poli | quarupt, Okay, there is absolutely no way to pay someone for THAT JOB. It is priceless. You could offer me 200K/year and I would refuse. LOL |
| 06:51.19 | poli | burnt-toast, I need a 802.11 router. :( |
| 06:51.26 | disasm | quarupt: it beats removing spyware and viruses from windows boxes everyday... |
| 06:51.30 | MobyTurbo | quarupt: that's one good thing you can say about Windows, they make more sysadmi positions available. |
| 06:51.30 | quarupt | I push open source everyday at work and all i get is "you can run firefox on your machine as long as its liecenced" |
| 06:51.33 | quarupt | Idiots |
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| 06:51.59 | nvz | man this DTA plugin for firefox iss just eating my CPU |
| 06:52.16 | burnt-toast | DTA? |
| 06:52.17 | poli | quarupt, One of my clients is a local university. They have something like 1400 windoze lincenses, 418 being PII or lower. |
| 06:52.24 | nvz | burnt-toast: Download Them All |
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| 06:52.37 | quarupt | So i say, yea i got a liecence for 5 million stations, called a GNU liecence, it even fits the budget. |
| 06:52.41 | quarupt | and i get funny looks |
| 06:52.49 | burnt-toast | nvz:i think i remember seeing that one on the download page but i dont remember what its for |
| 06:52.58 | poli | quarupt, I have very good chances of saving the company around $500.000.. |
| 06:53.27 | quarupt | I told em how much they could save by using star office, i get "its unfamilliar with the students" |
| 06:53.38 | nvz | burnt-toast: you select DTA and ittt brings up a window with a tab for all the links in a page, and one for images, and you can check off everything you want, and it will download them all |
| 06:53.56 | nvz | burnt-toast: I am using it to d/l an entire CD album right now |
| 06:54.10 | burnt-toast | nvz thats pretty cool |
| 06:54.14 | nvz | wanted to listen to it wwhile it was d/l but its eating too much cpu |
| 06:54.19 | disasm | quarupt: i convinced three small business clients to go with a linux file server, which was fun setting up, but all 3 of those companies server has uptimes over 200 days and they never die, so I'm stuck working on all the broken windows client machines all the time |
| 06:54.45 | nvz | its even causing my text to repeat while I am typing in here |
| 06:54.46 | burnt-toast | quarupt: you should do a demo... they look almost the exact same |
| 06:54.52 | burnt-toast | nvz: yeah my lappy does that when i cat /var/log/syslog lol |
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| 06:55.11 | roo9 | is there a way to use multiple smarthosts in exim? |
| 06:55.13 | quarupt | This scool alone has over 400 very nice dells with 3.4 ghz procs all with at least 1gb ram and all have lcd's im like lets cut the costs and use free software! |
| 06:55.16 | nvz | burnt-toast: I just noticed there are advanced settings, to limit how many downloads at a time |
| 06:55.20 | quarupt | that doesnt made sense to these people |
| 06:55.24 | nvz | its done now anyhow |
| 06:55.28 | poli | quarupt, Ok, I have some experience on star office for windoze users... And I have a piece of advice: Star Office can't handle .doc files okay. Use the .swf always! |
| 06:56.28 | burnt-toast | lol word cant handle .doc files ok even... |
| 06:56.38 | poli | burnt-toast, That's true! |
| 06:56.52 | burnt-toast | ever open a .doc from word 97 in 2003 to find your bullets gone or your numbering wrong |
| 06:56.54 | poli | burnt-toast, That new XML files promise to make things better, but yet... |
| 06:57.00 | quarupt | I like OpenOffice |
| 06:57.13 | burnt-toast | or how about write it in word98 for mac and open it on word 2000 for windows ... |
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| 06:57.24 | disasm | quarupt: the univ i go to is slowly starting to use free software, we got 3 linux labs, the mail server is running linux, and the samba server, serving all 20,000 students U-Drives is linux based, and not only did they install firefox on all the machines, but they put out a newswire advising students in the dorms to use it. |
| 06:57.36 | poli | quarupt, I do too. Just don't try to get half of the company using Word and the other half on Open Office. They don't talk very well. |
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| 06:57.56 | joris | poli goodmorning |
| 06:58.00 | quarupt | lol |
| 06:58.06 | poli | joris, Hey! |
| 06:58.21 | poli | joris, Did you get going with that kernel patch? |
| 06:58.34 | joris | poli no, I went to bed :) |
| 06:58.40 | quarupt | I work at WWU i dunno if any of you have herd of it, but they decided to switch from C++ to Java this year in there CS program and it sucks |
| 06:58.43 | poli | joris, Seems I wise decision. ;) |
| 06:58.59 | burnt-toast | quarupt: ask them how much money they spend every year removing spyware and viruses from the machines |
| 06:59.16 | joris | poli but it kept me thinking... It should also work with some mild internal automated routing system - I could set up an internal bgp network on all the hosts |
| 06:59.16 | burnt-toast | quarupt: you can curb a ton of spyware just by using firefox |
| 06:59.21 | quarupt | I have made ethis point |
| 06:59.25 | poli | burnt-toast, I actually have those numbers. The are pretty impressive. |
| 06:59.28 | joris | poli it's overkill, but it should work |
| 06:59.38 | burnt-toast | poli: do you? can u send them to me? |
| 06:59.40 | quarupt | well we just deployed Deep-Freeze in 2 of our main labs |
| 06:59.55 | quarupt | so that cut all spyware/virus loss |
| 07:00.05 | quarupt | but cost 5k for every 500 machines |
| 07:00.06 | poli | joris, I still think the good old metric should do the job, but I still didn't have the time to read about it. :) |
| 07:00.07 | burnt-toast | poli: im a network tech / consultant and need things like that for presentation work i do |
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| 07:00.21 | nvz | quarupt: you could have deployed linux, and it would have been free :P |
| 07:00.34 | poli | burnt-toast, I have and I can, but those numbers probably won't reflect US prices. I am in Brazil. |
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| 07:00.46 | joris | poli ahwell, I know there are two possible solutions now, that should be enough in this stage of the project |
| 07:00.48 | nvz | I've been using linux for some 5 years or more now, and not had one problem with spyware or virus |
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| 07:01.08 | poli | joris, Good. That interests me a lot, please keep me informed of your progress. :) |
| 07:01.17 | burnt-toast | poli: thats fine... brazil recently did a lot of number crunchin and OSS evaluation |
| 07:01.20 | quarupt | you probably never will |
| 07:01.52 | jetscreamer | lies, there are 10 times the number of viruses in linux than windows... everybody knows linux costs more to run than windows too.... i can show you the microsoft link that says so if you want |
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| 07:02.03 | quarupt | I wonder if Linus knew what he was starting when he wrote that first kerenl |
| 07:02.04 | burnt-toast | hahaha |
| 07:02.07 | quarupt | kernel |
| 07:02.20 | quarupt | he started a fucking software revolution! |
| 07:02.24 | aliasptr | Anyone know of a tool that will NICELY convert latex equations in to images? latex2html output is horrid in my view |
| 07:02.30 | aliasptr | (google returned nothing obvious) |
| 07:02.30 | joris | poli I will - should I contact you here on irc, or by some other medium? |
| 07:02.36 | burnt-toast | jetscreamer: yeah i can point to the halloween documents which are microsoft too :-p |
| 07:02.47 | burnt-toast | lol |
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| 07:02.51 | poli | burnt-toast, if it interests you, I just don't have them now. :) But I can send you tomorrow morning (monday morning). |
| 07:02.58 | jetscreamer | same principle that has let aol survive |
| 07:03.14 | quarupt | I think i will write my thesis on Linus |
| 07:03.18 | jetscreamer | aol+microsoft auting on an sco server |
| 07:03.20 | nvz | quarupt: he himself said that if he knew about the other projects going on at the time, he would not have started from scratch.. the condition of the internet and the poor life he lived kept him from finding out about things like Minix |
| 07:03.20 | burnt-toast | poli: that would be neat |
| 07:03.21 | buu | Hrm. Anyone know why e2fslibs and e2fsprogs are required if you're on EXT3 filesysten? |
| 07:03.23 | jetscreamer | authing |
| 07:03.26 | poli | joris, you can always find me here, or I am sending you my email address in pvt. |
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| 07:03.30 | burnt-toast | poli: monday? |
| 07:03.37 | quarupt | No, I will write it on "The Open Source Revolution" |
| 07:03.43 | jetscreamer | buu ext2 and ext3 use a lot of the same stuff.... |
| 07:03.47 | burnt-toast | poli: its sunday morning at 1:00 am here |
| 07:03.52 | jetscreamer | all ext3 is is ext2 with a journal |
| 07:03.54 | poli | burnt-toast, GMT-3 monday morning. :) |
| 07:03.59 | vari | what audio player can play .dat audio format(for ringtones?)... |
| 07:04.08 | poli | It's sunday morning 4:04 here. :) |
| 07:04.15 | burnt-toast | poli: tell ya what why dont i give u e-mail addy? |
| 07:04.16 | quarupt | Im glad he did |
| 07:04.23 | burnt-toast | ah ok |
| 07:04.28 | quarupt | cause now a days you can run minix on a TI-89 |
| 07:04.30 | burnt-toast | your only 3 hours ahead here |
| 07:04.36 | nvz | vari: probably nothing? heh.. sox supports a lot of formats and does a lot with audio in general |
| 07:04.56 | poli | burnt-toast, Ok, pvt me. :) |
| 07:05.00 | michal_ | does anyone know of any programs/scripts/frameworks to make managing of users, their shells, uid's etc and synchronizing them with custom files easier? |
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| 07:05.25 | jetscreamer | don't use webmin |
| 07:05.34 | jetscreamer | read the webmin factoid |
| 07:05.46 | quarupt | How can we really get the message across to the masses that they no longer need to PAY for good software, and make them believe it? |
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| 07:05.56 | jetscreamer | !tell michal_ about webmin |
| 07:06.04 | buu | !tell buu about webmin |
| 07:06.13 | simmerz | what package do i need to reconfigure to change where mail for root etc goes by default? |
| 07:06.18 | jetscreamer | quarupt, you can't, really. |
| 07:06.21 | segment | !tell segment about webmin |
| 07:06.22 | burnt-toast | !tell burnt-toast about webmin |
| 07:06.25 | buu | hahaha |
| 07:06.26 | michal_ | webmin isn't capable of what i'm after anyway |
| 07:06.27 | burnt-toast | i gotta see this |
| 07:06.28 | quarupt | Well its to bad |
| 07:06.32 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure exim-conf i think |
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| 07:06.40 | burnt-toast | quarupt: use it |
| 07:06.50 | simmerz | jetscreamer: using postfix/cyrus now |
| 07:06.53 | burnt-toast | quarupt: by using it and interesting as many people around you to use it |
| 07:06.59 | disasm | simmerz: /etc/aliases root: user then run newaliases |
| 07:07.06 | burnt-toast | quarupt: that has a huge effect on people around you |
| 07:07.14 | simmerz | disasm: cheers |
| 07:07.20 | Lazar | anyone know if I can use the iproute2 utils to reroute connections as well as nat the ports? |
| 07:07.20 | disasm | simmerz: unless you have a weird mta that doesn't use aliases file |
| 07:07.41 | quarupt | How can I interest all my friends who dont even know how to use limewire? |
| 07:08.12 | jetscreamer | cept 'does it work?' |
| 07:08.15 | simmerz | disasm: postfix? |
| 07:08.21 | disasm | simmerz: your fine |
| 07:08.28 | burnt-toast | quarupt: why waste the time? lol... i focus my energy on people in business or people in need. |
| 07:08.37 | nvz | quarupt: fauk em, the people who dont know, dont show, or just dont care about being a pebcak or a BOFH dont need to be using linux and filing bugs and stuff |
| 07:08.54 | poli | Lazar, Yes you can. |
| 07:08.57 | michal_ | btw.. what is the range of valid uid's ? |
| 07:09.09 | buu | Anyone have the faintest idea why apache-perl depends on lynx ? |
| 07:09.19 | quarupt | Yea, but then they use windows, and there kids use windows and there friends and family |
| 07:09.28 | nvz | quarupt: linux grows out of interest, how would a bunch of uninterested people benefit the movement? |
| 07:09.28 | burnt-toast | thats fine |
| 07:09.28 | michal_ | i want to reprocess a fragment of passwd/shadow files i have and change the uid's to something well outside the range of otherwise used uid's.. |
| 07:09.29 | poli | Lazar, Rerouting ports can be done for example as a DNAT rule. |
| 07:09.35 | quarupt | If we are gunna take down Bill we have to do it with Brute fucking force |
| 07:09.46 | burnt-toast | quarupt: linux doesnt yet make sense for the masses... |
| 07:09.49 | quarupt | Just like a win 98 netbios exploit |
| 07:09.52 | quarupt | FUCK em |
| 07:09.55 | atrus | every time a process heats up the cpu a bit in linux, the fan starts going on high... the problem is that the fan doesn't slow down after. the computer sounds like an airplane until I reboot. works fine under windows. suggestions? |
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| 07:10.04 | burnt-toast | quarupt: and it doesnt make sense to make linux out to be for the masses yet |
| 07:10.08 | michal_ | btw.. are passwd/shadow the only files I need to edit to add users to a linux system? |
| 07:10.09 | quarupt | I feel allpolitical now |
| 07:10.14 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 07:10.22 | burnt-toast | actually thats emotional that u feel lol |
| 07:10.24 | poli | atrus, seems like your hardware depends on software to slow the cpu down. weird. |
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| 07:10.43 | quarupt | I think with the way things are moving, I mean look at Firefox, it has take more than 12% of IE's marketshare |
| 07:10.52 | buu | Anyone? |
| 07:10.52 | burnt-toast | yes things are moving well |
| 07:10.55 | poli | michal_, Yes, but try the adduser script, it will create the dirs and put the skel in. |
| 07:10.59 | jetscreamer | !kill firefox |
| 07:11.01 | disasm | michal_: there is useradd and adduser |
| 07:11.06 | nvz | quarupt: I liked this book. it was called "Free For All" by Peter Wayner, I liked it one because he is not very knowlagable about the movement, he had to research.. and he's a good journalist, and he wrote what people wanted to hear, then told you how it really is.. the book starts off with the first chapter "Battle" talking about the M$ antitrust case, and then goes on in the next few chapters to explain how its really not about battling M$ |
| 07:11.21 | burnt-toast | quarupt: my take is that things will keep moving well... i just only tend to introduce things that make sense to people that it makes sense for |
| 07:11.25 | michal_ | poli: i already have a dir and the passwords are already in the shadow file.. and i don't otherwise know what they are |
| 07:11.31 | nvz | quarupt: its a good book for cocky newbies to learn and adjust to |
| 07:11.38 | burnt-toast | not the clueless kid down the block that it really doesnt matter for |
| 07:11.47 | nevyn | nvz: which book? |
| 07:11.52 | quarupt | is there an Ebook somewhere? |
| 07:11.55 | nvz | quarupt: because it satisfies your cocky side, while easing you into the reality of the mvement |
| 07:11.56 | poli | michal_, Passwords in the shadow file are not clear text. They are crypt() or md5 password, depending on your configuration. |
| 07:12.00 | michal_ | I;m migrating users from an old system to a new one.. |
| 07:12.05 | poli | Lazar, Did you get the DNAT part |
| 07:12.10 | nvz | nevyn: "Free For All" by Peter Wayner |
| 07:12.18 | quarupt | Oh by the way is there an app to automount and use my USb drive when i stick it in? |
| 07:12.28 | poli | quarupt, automount. :) |
| 07:12.31 | nevyn | quarupt: sure. |
| 07:12.43 | jetscreamer | gnomevfs, automount, kde equiv... |
| 07:12.44 | michal_ | passwords are of the form "cG3B.lOM$h/IZyEbHjg67OM8kYOIqq0" |
| 07:12.47 | burnt-toast | quarupt: i would like to see bill disappear as much as the next guy... but not until there is adequate replacement |
| 07:12.48 | nevyn | quarupt: dbus hal and gnome-volume manager is more elegant than automount |
| 07:13.00 | poli | quarupt, But you would of course loose the joy of mounting the partition yourself. :) |
| 07:13.01 | nvz | its definatly a beginners book, its just what a cocky windows refugee wants to hear, to get them interested enough to soak in the facts |
| 07:13.05 | nevyn | quarupt: are you using 2.6 |
| 07:13.06 | nvz | he does a good job at this |
| 07:13.09 | quarupt | no KDE apps? |
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| 07:13.17 | disasm | quarupt: are you using udev? |
| 07:13.19 | burnt-toast | nvz: i may have to take a look at this |
| 07:13.21 | Lazar | poli: when I don't use the -m --layer7 options, I can get DNAT to send packets to other ports, either/or http/s, but not either from the same port |
| 07:13.31 | quarupt | i dunno what udev is? |
| 07:13.33 | nevyn | quarupt: there is a kde-volume-manager but it's not yet packaged. |
| 07:13.42 | nevyn | quarupt: which version of debian are you using? |
| 07:13.48 | michal_ | i actually want to write my own set of scripts for adding/removing/managing users and so i was interested if there are is anything which could support this |
| 07:13.53 | quarupt | sarge |
| 07:13.55 | jetscreamer | he has sarge i believe nevyn |
| 07:13.56 | burnt-toast | nvz: reading the halloween docs and the SCO anti-trust cases helps a lot to understand the movement too... but in a less direct way |
| 07:14.04 | MobyTurbo | I'm a propritary Unix refugee, not a Windows refugee - the moment that Linux is transformed into a Windows replacement and has stopped being Unix is the day I'll use something else. |
| 07:14.05 | jetscreamer | sco is your god |
| 07:14.10 | nvz | burnt-toast: I bought the book cause I recognised that he did a lot of research, and I think he did a good job at capturing the attention of this certain audience, and then correcting their misconceptions |
| 07:14.11 | nevyn | quarupt: which kernel are you using ? uname -a will tell you |
| 07:14.12 | disasm | michal_: useradd is good for writing scripts because it isn't interactive |
| 07:14.18 | Vanity | what business does the window manager have managing volumes? |
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| 07:14.31 | poli | Lazar, I don't understand what you want, could you please explain me again? |
| 07:14.31 | quarupt | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 07:14.37 | disasm | Vanity: i was wondering the same myself |
| 07:14.43 | nevyn | Vanity: the window manager doesn't manage volumes |
| 07:14.43 | jetscreamer | quarupt, update that kernel btw |
| 07:14.47 | burnt-toast | nvz: generally the best people to write such books are the good reasearchers that dont yet have an opinion :-) |
| 07:14.56 | jetscreamer | gnomevfs isn't a window manager |
| 07:14.57 | quarupt | i need to upgrade to theamd64 kernel but im scared i will break something |
| 07:15.04 | jetscreamer | gnome is a desktop btw |
| 07:15.08 | poli | MobyTurbo, I have the same opinion. |
| 07:15.13 | disasm | quarupt: i know if you have 2.6.8 you can get udev, and that has the capability of writing a script to mount the thumb drive when it sees it inserted. |
| 07:15.30 | nevyn | gnome-volume manager works perfectly in kde if you don't have nautilus installed. |
| 07:15.30 | disasm | quarupt: i mean you writing a script, it won't write one for you |
| 07:15.30 | Lazar | poli: say port 8888 needs to discriminate between http and https. if it sees https, I want the port forwarded to somewhere other than for the https, which is running stunnel, directed at the http port |
| 07:15.39 | quarupt | How can i find the right kernel for my proc? |
| 07:15.42 | burnt-toast | MobyTurbo: i dont think linux will stop being a unix really... there will just be some nice userspace commodities available to the ppl that currently use windows |
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| 07:15.53 | jetscreamer | quarupt, if you fuxor something you can just boot the old kernel.. apt-cache search kernel-image btw |
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| 07:16.14 | quarupt | which one for an AMD64 ? |
| 07:16.15 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 or 2.6 |
| 07:16.15 | michal_ | i like osx personally. it's a very reasonable compromise if you have nothing fundumentally against the idea of commercial software |
| 07:16.23 | jetscreamer | the one that says 64 i believe |
| 07:16.27 | poli | Lazar, Wow. That's difficult. I don't know how iproute2 or any kernel module is able to sense what kind of connection is getting in that port. |
| 07:16.27 | burnt-toast | oh i love osx |
| 07:16.28 | alus | I'd sure like a 2.6 kernel in woody |
| 07:16.33 | burnt-toast | and i dont like mac even! |
| 07:16.40 | quarupt | i dunno which one? |
| 07:16.45 | burnt-toast | osx as a concept is priceless |
| 07:16.58 | disasm | quarupt: apt-cache search kernel-image|grep amd64 |
| 07:17.00 | jetscreamer | quarupt, the ones that say amd64 i mean :) |
| 07:17.04 | quarupt | so was communisim, doesnt mean it worked |
| 07:17.06 | alus | yup, if only it ran everywhere like it should |
| 07:17.08 | burnt-toast | a unix core with a nice window manager... who would have thunk it? |
| 07:17.18 | jetscreamer | define 'nice' |
| 07:17.19 | michal_ | i love macs.. a small subset of well supported hardware is in large what makes osx so good |
| 07:17.27 | burnt-toast | nice = good idea |
| 07:17.35 | Lazar | also, I believe you can.... aptitude search kernel-image |
| 07:17.47 | burnt-toast | if linux could have a tightly integrated front end it would be for the better |
| 07:18.04 | burnt-toast | especially if it had an open hood for all the mechanics in the world |
| 07:18.14 | nvz | burnt-toast: yeah, after reading it, then buying it and reading it again.. I don't 100% like some things he says, but like I say I recognized the audience he was trying to grab and suck into his book. and I think this is a good thing, because it does grab the attention of these windows refugees that are mad at Microsoft and think this is some gang war, and then straigtens out thier understanding |
| 07:18.14 | Lazar | poli, there is a patch for the kernel |
| 07:18.14 | poli | Lazar, What should I look up? |
| 07:18.16 | alus | but linux gui devs are apparantly blind |
| 07:18.19 | FieldySnuts | it's an open world, make your own |
| 07:18.20 | Lazar | l7-filter.sf.net |
| 07:18.24 | nevyn | problem is the macos-X ui isn't nearly as good as the macos9 ui :( |
| 07:18.25 | quarupt | i got allot of result i dunno which one to use? |
| 07:18.25 | kreg | anyone know of a program that can take a large dir of mp3's or oggs, and scan their names and id3 tags, compare it from an online database, and then physcially rewirte all of the directory into organize directorys and filenames such as albums and misc? |
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| 07:18.40 | alus | nevyn: huh? |
| 07:18.46 | alus | OS9 was clunky |
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| 07:18.50 | Lazar | kreg, let me know when you find it. :) especially if the database is up to date of psy trance |
| 07:18.55 | karamelos | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.00 | michal_ | nevyn: it's getting better with each iteration though |
| 07:19.03 | nvz | burnt-toast: and he gets them interested on the first page, and doesnt loose you, he stays in your mind even after you've finished the book |
| 07:19.05 | peterS | alus: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 07:19.08 | burnt-toast | FieldySnuts: no shit.. yeah make your own rocket ship too.. wtf is that... i am admiring the OSX concept... what does that have anything to do with me building my own |
| 07:19.13 | alus | kreg: aranger |
| 07:19.17 | kreg | Lazar, heh. |
| 07:19.18 | FieldySnuts | ah shaddap troll. |
| 07:19.23 | burnt-toast | heh |
| 07:19.25 | burnt-toast | whatever |
| 07:19.25 | quarupt | jetscreamer, i got lots of results, which one to use? |
| 07:19.36 | Lazar | thpoli: the l-7 dox basically suggest marking on the postrouting mangle table |
| 07:19.41 | burnt-toast | nvz: i like writers like that |
| 07:19.43 | kreg | everytyhing i find is just a front end and a mysql as a side kick. i want to organzie the files and dirs themeselves. |
| 07:19.57 | michal_ | so back to my original question.. can a uid be any number? |
| 07:20.04 | Lazar | doesn't seem to want to take properly (produce the log) when I add the -m layer7 match |
| 07:20.17 | disasm | kreg: sounds pretty detailed, might be possible to write in bash, wouldn't have the foggiest idea where to begin though, perl or python would probably work better |
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| 07:20.27 | burnt-toast | kreg for linux or windows app? |
| 07:20.29 | alus | disasm: I used perl |
| 07:20.32 | michal_ | ie.. can i decide to use uid's 10000 - 20000 and be reasonably sure no debian package will overwrite them? |
| 07:20.36 | burnt-toast | kreg i think i have one for windows... |
| 07:20.39 | quarupt | jetscreamer, Can ya help? |
| 07:20.40 | kreg | preferably linux command line |
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| 07:20.46 | kreg | burnt-toast, but i can play with win32 also |
| 07:20.53 | burnt-toast | kreg: it might be OSS one sec.. lemme check |
| 07:20.54 | Lazar | michal_ I believe it needs to be a 32bit unsigned int, but I'm not sure; don't boot me for misinformation :P |
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| 07:21.02 | quarupt | if i use a AMD64 Kernel will i have to use all 64 apps? |
| 07:21.06 | poli | Lazar, Indeed. That module promises to solve that problem. But, I am curious, can't you just segregate the SSL and non-SSL versions by port? |
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| 07:21.29 | michal_ | what's the largest 32bit number? |
| 07:21.31 | disasm | quarupt: i don't think so, amd64 is reverse compatible with x86 |
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| 07:21.33 | Lazar | well I can match based on the protocol definitions. there is a def called 'validcertssl' |
| 07:21.46 | poli | michal_, Signed or unsigned? |
| 07:21.47 | Lazar | and the ssl certs have signatures in an unencrypted fashion |
| 07:21.56 | quarupt | so which kernel image should i use and how do i do it? |
| 07:22.03 | michal_ | poli: either. as long as you tell me which |
| 07:22.03 | disasm | michal_: wouldn't that be 2^32 |
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| 07:22.06 | quarupt | disasm, ? |
| 07:22.15 | michal_ | does bc do ^ ? |
| 07:22.17 | Lazar | how high a number do you need?! |
| 07:22.20 | jetscreamer | quarupt, not with anything amd64 specific |
| 07:22.32 | Lazar | at CSUN I don't think we even go over 10000 |
| 07:22.33 | disasm | quarupt: in regards to if you use an amd64 kernel having to use amd64 apps |
| 07:22.38 | jetscreamer | quarupt, the highest version that says amd64 on it imo |
| 07:22.38 | poli | michal_, 4294967296 unsigned |
| 07:22.54 | karamelos | what permissions (chmod value) should have a cdrom mount point? My user is in the cdrom group but cannot mount the drive. |
| 07:23.08 | quarupt | but theres differnt ones.. and after i pick, how do i install it? |
| 07:23.13 | jetscreamer | karamelos, users in fstab, vs user |
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| 07:23.27 | michal_ | ok.. that seems like plenty |
| 07:23.33 | jetscreamer | also adduser user cdrom |
| 07:23.44 | michal_ | what's the maximum uid a debian package is likely to use? are there rules for that? |
| 07:23.46 | quarupt | so i can use kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 |
| 07:23.52 | karamelos | jetscreamer, the mount point is set to users in fstab. |
| 07:23.53 | quarupt | what does K8 mean? |
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| 07:23.56 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 07:23.59 | disasm | michal_: i would hope so that's over 4 billion users |
| 07:24.01 | jetscreamer | amd64 |
| 07:24.01 | poli | michal_, 65335 is the highest possible. :) |
| 07:24.02 | alus | K7 + 1 |
| 07:24.05 | nvz | heh |
| 07:24.06 | michal_ | heh.. in redhat the only way to add users to a group seems to be to edit the group file |
| 07:24.19 | nvz | michal_: they dont have adduser? |
| 07:24.20 | karamelos | jetscreamer, and I am in users group. |
| 07:24.20 | disasm | oh, we stand corrected |
| 07:24.21 | Lazar | At this point I've been reading the advanced linux routing howto, but there is nothing contained about iproute2 being able to nat ports, just gateway/ip routes I'm sure it is possible since that command is way too powerful for my feeble mind's understanding |
| 07:24.28 | nevyn | michal_: yes there are.. about 500 for a system user |
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| 07:24.34 | poli | michal_, 65535 I mean |
| 07:24.35 | quarupt | seriously, i really dun wanna install the wrong kernel |
| 07:24.36 | nevyn | michal_: you can do it with usermod |
| 07:24.38 | michal_ | nvz: adduser can't add existing users to a group |
| 07:24.38 | maher | michal_: adduser |
| 07:24.41 | jetscreamer | karamelos, adduser user cdrom, aka you're in the cdrom group? |
| 07:24.41 | burnt-toast | dangit i can find this program |
| 07:24.45 | jetscreamer | yes it can |
| 07:24.50 | nvz | michal_: bs |
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| 07:24.52 | Lazar | quarupt what hardware you have? |
| 07:24.52 | jetscreamer | adduser adds to groups |
| 07:25.05 | karamelos | jetscreamer, yes I am in the cdrom group too. |
| 07:25.08 | poli | Lazar, I think the HOWTO is right. I always use iptables to do that. |
| 07:25.08 | michal_ | jetscreamer: not on redhat it doesn't |
| 07:25.11 | quarupt | like my MOBO and my proc? |
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| 07:25.16 | nvz | michal_: I've been doing it for years now adduser user group is the syntax |
| 07:25.20 | jetscreamer | this aint rh |
| 07:25.24 | disasm | michal_: sure it can adduser user group |
| 07:25.29 | quarupt | Lazar, What HW ya wanna know? |
| 07:25.33 | michal_ | nvz: in redhat 9? |
| 07:25.34 | reNegad3 | im setting up a router/firewall for my network. I wouldnt need nothing more than a basic debian install?? |
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| 07:26.00 | poli | reNegad3, that's the beauty of it. |
| 07:26.02 | burnt-toast | kreg i cant find the program at the moment |
| 07:26.03 | Lazar | mainly your processor. you can install i386, i686, just not linux/ppc.. unless you are doing linux on apple. |
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| 07:26.29 | quarupt | its an AMD Athlon 64 3200 |
| 07:26.30 | disasm | reNegad3: http://gate-bunker.p6.msu.ru/~berk/router.html |
| 07:26.31 | kreg | burnt-toast, no worries. thanks tho |
| 07:26.32 | jetscreamer | karamelos, you might try setting gid in fstab, you might also ls -l /dev/cdrom then ls -l /dev/hdc or wherever cdrom pointed, and chown it root:cdrom if it's not |
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| 07:26.54 | reNegad3 | disasm, thanks mate |
| 07:27.06 | quarupt | can i use kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 |
| 07:27.10 | MooglyGuy | Say, do any of you have access to machines that have compilers installed, for which I don't already have binaries listed on this page? http://www.zophar.net/personal/mooglyguy/codegen.html |
| 07:27.11 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 07:27.17 | jetscreamer | go for it quarupt |
| 07:27.38 | quarupt | or would kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-generic be better |
| 07:27.51 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 07:27.55 | michal_ | nvz: under redhat 9 - "useradd - Create a new user or update default new user information" |
| 07:27.55 | karamelos | jetscreamer, I'll do, thx. |
| 07:27.59 | quarupt | but my proc isnt a k8 |
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| 07:28.08 | jetscreamer | useradd != adduser |
| 07:28.12 | michal_ | nvz: so it can add NEW users to groups.. but not existing ones |
| 07:28.19 | poli | michal_, Isn't there some RH channel somewhere? |
| 07:28.21 | disasm | reNegad3: that might be a little overkill for what your looking for, but definitely interesting to read |
| 07:28.31 | quarupt | jetscreamer, I really want to know the best one to use |
| 07:28.42 | lampshade | Anybody know when abouts gnome 2.8 is getting entered? Just curious, not trying to start a flame war or anything |
| 07:28.51 | reNegad3 | ahh ok |
| 07:28.55 | michal_ | jetscream: really? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Feb 26 23:54 /usr/sbin/adduser -> useradd |
| 07:28.57 | jetscreamer | quarupt, i have no idea. try the k8 is what i would do if it was me, but i know nothing |
| 07:28.59 | reNegad3 | I dont think it will be ;) |
| 07:29.01 | as8z | Hi I want to use different authentification method following host, for example local host use password adn the others use RSA keys ., on an sshd I m using a testing is it posssible ??? |
| 07:29.04 | Lazar | reNegad3: Have 2 NICs, will travel... especially if one of them is wireless ;P |
| 07:29.24 | lampshade | as8z, yeah |
| 07:29.31 | reNegad3 | Lazar, travel?? what do you mean |
| 07:29.32 | quarupt | Lazar, what kernel is best for an AMD Atlon 64? |
| 07:29.37 | michal_ | poli: no not really. |
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| 07:29.52 | burnt-toast | kreg: check this one out though ... i think this is one that iused |
| 07:29.54 | burnt-toast | http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/CDDB-MP3-Tool.shtml |
| 07:29.59 | buu | quarupt: the 64-k8 one. Just install it. It's perfect. |
| 07:30.08 | Lazar | kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-generic |
| 07:30.09 | poli | michal_, wow. sucks. get debian instead, then. ;) |
| 07:30.23 | quarupt | okay so the generic one okay |
| 07:30.27 | deadrabbit | can anyone help a complete noob with some sound problems? |
| 07:30.32 | quarupt | how do i install it? |
| 07:30.35 | jetscreamer | michal_, funky. and non-debian. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 29553 2005-02-17 00:38 /usr/sbin/adduser |
| 07:30.42 | michal_ | poli: debian is unsupported by the vendor of the software. we only just upgraded to rh9 from rh7.1 yesterday.. only took 20 hours of hard work :/ |
| 07:30.51 | jetscreamer | quarupt, apt-get install kernel-image-blah |
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| 07:30.56 | poli | michal_, Isn't it Oracle, by chance? |
| 07:31.00 | michal_ | jetscream: since when is redhat9 supposed to be like debian? :P |
| 07:31.06 | lampshade | michal_, ? from rh9 to 7.1? |
| 07:31.13 | michal_ | poli: no.. pick d3 |
| 07:31.19 | deadrabbit | i got this error in jack jackstart: cannot get realtime capabilities, current capabilities are: |
| 07:31.19 | deadrabbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.19 | deadrabbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.19 | deadrabbit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:31.20 | alus | burnt-toast: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/aranger |
| 07:31.27 | Lazar | Isn't Oracle a 4-letter-word? |
| 07:31.31 | disasm | reNegad3: http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm - that's for woody with ipchains, doesn't mention iptables |
| 07:31.34 | alus | I'm working on a gui for it |
| 07:31.42 | poli | michal_, That distribution/version based homologatin system those guys use is LAME! |
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| 07:32.02 | jetscreamer | deadrabbit that's why god invented #flood |
| 07:32.02 | quarupt | and after its done, i just restart? |
| 07:32.03 | poli | michal_, they should care about kernel/library, but no. They still think commercial. |
| 07:32.03 | michal_ | poli: which guys? |
| 07:32.11 | simonrvn | !tell deadrabbit about paste |
| 07:32.11 | nvz | michal_: then you just discovered the problem, redhat doesnt have adduser. |
| 07:32.12 | jetscreamer | quarupt, usually, yes that's all |
| 07:32.15 | simonrvn | !tell deadrabbit about paster |
| 07:32.26 | jetscreamer | quarupt, you might have to redo your vid module, depending |
| 07:32.26 | poli | michal_, The vendors of such software as Oracle, a lot of ERPs that that software of yours. |
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| 07:32.34 | deadrabbit | sorry, don't know muc about irc |
| 07:32.40 | quarupt | okay, well here we go |
| 07:32.42 | Lazar | quarupt, Check your grub config beforehand. I always make sure my default is still the old, working kernel, just in case |
| 07:32.44 | quarupt | wish me luck |
| 07:32.47 | quarupt | halt |
| 07:32.47 | quarupt | oops |
| 07:32.52 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 07:32.59 | poli | quarupt, May the force be with you. |
| 07:33.02 | michal_ | nvz: i've known from the start that it doesn't have it. you were the one trying to tell me it does :P |
| 07:33.10 | disasm | reNegad3: this one looks good http://www.rexx.com/~dkuhlman/iptables_install.html |
| 07:33.19 | burnt-toast | ok im getting sleepy |
| 07:33.21 | burnt-toast | gnight all |
| 07:33.28 | reNegad3 | cheers buddy |
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| 07:33.34 | michal_ | poli: now they only really officially support rhel 3 |
| 07:33.45 | nvz | michal_: heh, well then you are not communicating properly, you led us to believe that the real adduser program didnt do something it actually does. |
| 07:34.07 | reNegad3 | hrmm I have just done a fresh install of debian |
| 07:34.14 | nvz | michal_: if you had realized this all along, you should not have spoken about adduser on redhat, as its a symlink to useradd which is a completly different program |
| 07:34.38 | reNegad3 | though I had to use the linux26 boot option because it would have errors if I used the 2.4 |
| 07:34.40 | poli | michal_, Okay. So I put that shitty linux in a box, change to 2.6.10 kernel and upgrade libc. This is a Completely different system from what they tested, but still, it is a RH 3. What kind of homologation is that? |
| 07:34.40 | reNegad3 | dont know why |
| 07:34.48 | michal_ | nvz: no.. i always specifically stated that a certain command on redhat9 didn't do a certain thing. it ws quite clear. |
| 07:34.52 | reNegad3 | but is it possible to downgrade now that its installed? |
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| 07:35.09 | reNegad3 | im guessing so ;) |
| 07:35.10 | maher | reNegad3: downgrade the kernel? |
| 07:35.11 | disasm | reNegad3: well, i wouldn't worry about it, it's not too difficult to use iptables |
| 07:35.35 | deadrabbit | #flood |
| 07:35.39 | michal_ | poli: i don't even want to play with recompiling the kernel.. wasted about 8 hours yesterday because of that. redhat is a piece of shit |
| 07:35.39 | deadrabbit | um |
| 07:35.53 | simonrvn | /join #flood |
| 07:35.54 | poli | michal_, tell me about it |
| 07:36.19 | karamelos | jetscreamer, my /dev/cdrom belongs to root:root lrwxrwxrwx and points to /dev/hdb which belongs to root:disk brwxrwxrwx. I am already in disk group. I guess there's a problem with some chmod value. can you give me the chmod value of your /dev/cdrom /dev/hdb and your cdrom mount point? |
| 07:36.50 | jetscreamer | chmod root:cdrom /dev/hdb |
| 07:36.57 | jetscreamer | the symlink isn't important |
| 07:37.01 | jetscreamer | it's 777 |
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| 07:37.10 | poli | karamelos, this may seem stupid but did you logout/login again after adding the user to the disk group? |
| 07:37.22 | jetscreamer | i chown the mnt point blah:cdrom also |
| 07:37.32 | karamelos | poli, I was already part of disk group. |
| 07:37.33 | jetscreamer | oh yeah you have to log out btw |
| 07:37.49 | jetscreamer | if you were part of disk, then chowning it shouldn't help |
| 07:37.51 | deadrabbit | can anyone help me with a jack error concerning realtime capabilities |
| 07:37.53 | deadrabbit | ? |
| 07:38.06 | maher | karamelos: strace the mount command and see where it barfs |
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| 07:38.28 | cg0def | can you manually edit the xserver config file? |
| 07:38.33 | nvz | 01:19 < michal_> nvz: adduser can't add existing users to a group |
| 07:38.34 | jetscreamer | or do mount -v |
| 07:38.35 | nvz | adduser(8): Add an existing user to an existing group\n If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group. |
| 07:38.39 | karamelos | maher, strace? how do I do that? |
| 07:38.43 | maher | cg0def: yes - but not recommended |
| 07:38.53 | maher | karamelos: strace mount whatever |
| 07:38.54 | poli | cg0def, emacs /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 |
| 07:38.59 | cg0def | maher: why what is the problem? |
| 07:39.01 | PuGz | cg0def, yes... /etc/X.... damn poli |
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| 07:39.26 | poli | PuGz, I am sorry. I think. :) |
| 07:39.27 | maher | cg0def: no problem unless you want chunks of it managed by debconf |
| 07:39.38 | PuGz | poli... nah... your just quicker... its aiight |
| 07:39.47 | poli | PuGz, ;) |
| 07:40.04 | cg0def | maher: oh so as long as I don't use debconfig for it manual additions are fine? |
| 07:40.14 | cg0def | maher: thanks |
| 07:40.20 | maher | cg0def: what do you want to do |
| 07:40.52 | cg0def | maher: well I need to add the ati section and also the native res of the monitor does not get detected |
| 07:41.32 | simmerz | i have a broken nfs mount that appears twice in /etc/mtab (one working, the other is an old link). can i umount the nfs mount and then delete the other line from /etc/mtab manually? |
| 07:41.42 | maher | cg0def: ok - you can edit it them, but maybe you could also do that via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:41.50 | karamelos | maher, strace mount /cdrom outputs a lot of data, what should I look for? |
| 07:42.01 | cg0def | maher: I tried and it doesn't work |
| 07:42.04 | maher | karamelos: the last bit with the error in it |
| 07:42.08 | maher | cg0def: ok - edit away |
| 07:42.22 | poli | simmerz, yes |
| 07:42.31 | poli | simmerz, I mean, no. |
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| 07:42.40 | simmerz | poli? |
| 07:42.45 | poli | simmerz, fstab |
| 07:43.04 | simmerz | its only in fstab once, and that is fine. I just dont want to have to reboot my server. |
| 07:43.24 | poli | simmerz, mtab should be updated by the system when you mount/umount a partition |
| 07:43.45 | simmerz | yeah, but there is a hanging mount there |
| 07:43.47 | cg0def | maher: the reason why I was asking was because for some reason I thought that unless the md5 on the config matches with the one already stored by debconfig the new file does not work |
| 07:43.52 | simmerz | that has been broken for i dont know how long |
| 07:43.55 | cg0def | maher: but I guess I was wrong |
| 07:44.11 | maher | cg0def: umm... edit and see |
| 07:44.20 | poli | simmerz, Okay, seems harmless to do that, if you have to. |
| 07:44.22 | jetscreamer | that's true for XF86Config-4 |
| 07:44.22 | simmerz | its because the ip address changed and the old one is still there |
| 07:44.22 | PuGz | i installed quake2 the other day, and it all works, but the sound is very choppy... it uses oss... but it doesnt seem to work... 2 questions: can this be fixed? and i have now bought quake 3, can this be installed? |
| 07:44.30 | karamelos | maher, strace as non root basically says ""mount: must be superuser to use" and the last bit says "exit_group(32)" |
| 07:44.33 | jetscreamer | q3 rox in linux |
| 07:44.59 | jetscreamer | PuGz, you cp the .pk3's off the cd and get the installer from ftp.idsoftware.com |
| 07:45.00 | maher | karamelos: what's the fstab line |
| 07:45.00 | PuGz | jetscreamer, how??? how??? |
| 07:45.06 | PuGz | cool |
| 07:45.07 | PuGz | cheers |
| 07:45.11 | cg0def | jetscreamer: so what do I do in order to iniciate the new XF86Config-4? |
| 07:45.30 | karamelos | maher, is "/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,users,noauto,exec 0 0" |
| 07:45.33 | jetscreamer | cg0def, it's on line #17 on mine |
| 07:45.39 | PuGz | jetscreamer, you say q3 rocks in linux.... is it somehow better than in windows? |
| 07:45.55 | cg0def | jetscreamer: ok I'll check it out thanks |
| 07:45.57 | jetscreamer | PuGz, that was my experience, yes.. esp the mouse |
| 07:46.02 | PuGz | cool |
| 07:46.03 | maher | karamelos: user |
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| 07:46.20 | simmerz | poli: that worked. thanks |
| 07:46.29 | jetscreamer | user or users, users is for anybody to mount/unmount, user is only the person who mounted can umount |
| 07:46.32 | poli | simmerz, :) |
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| 07:46.54 | karamelos | maher, you mean I should replace "users" with "user"? |
| 07:46.56 | jetscreamer | man mount |
| 07:47.05 | jetscreamer | you don't have to |
| 07:47.08 | maher | karamelos: jetscreamer says it doesn't matter |
| 07:48.00 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.11 | jetscreamer | functions well |
| 07:48.13 | jetscreamer | OH HEY |
| 07:48.19 | jetscreamer | got discover? |
| 07:48.28 | michal_ | there is no danger in directly manipulating the passwd/shadow files rather than using existing programs is there? save for user error damaging the files |
| 07:48.31 | jetscreamer | ls -l /media |
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| 07:48.56 | simonrvn | users and user are slightly different. matters more on really multi-user boxen |
| 07:49.16 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:49.22 | jetscreamer | karamelos, ls -l /media |
| 07:49.46 | nvz | I am going to have to start paying more attention |
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| 07:49.54 | skip_ | help please...transition between shades of colours in images is quite chunky and I can't figure out why |
| 07:49.54 | karamelos | jetscreamer, I have my cdrom mount point in /cdrom. I could mount the cdrom before. |
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| 07:50.04 | jetscreamer | karamelos, aka trace the symlinks starting with /cdrom |
| 07:50.04 | PuGz | jetscreamer, there are only 2 files in ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux/, they are File: linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh and linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run... and are both around 30 - 50 mb... these cant be the installers... |
| 07:50.30 | nvz | someone is missing the oppertunity to say something ammusingly ignorant to me, like "what song the alphabet?" |
| 07:50.32 | mindframe | how do i tell a script to run at user logon? |
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| 07:51.30 | nvz | mindframe: well your shell has an rc script, for bash, its ~/.bashrc |
| 07:52.11 | cyklus | I'm using a thinkpad and was wondering where I set up mappings for the special keys? for example i want to set up a suspend command to be executed when i hit <fn>-<suspend key> ? |
| 07:52.22 | karamelos | jetscreamer, how do I trace that? I guess the problem is I issued "chmod 777 /*" and "chmod /*/*" some days ago. I have restored some permissions. Or may be is my newly updated kernel 2.4.27 and some misconfiguration. |
| 07:52.54 | maher | karamelos: permissions on symlinks don't matter- only on the endpint |
| 07:53.08 | jetscreamer | karamelos, just ls -l /cdrom and go from there.. not permissions, the path it points to |
| 07:53.31 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 07:53.32 | PuGz | jetscreamer, how did you install it? |
| 07:53.42 | jetscreamer | PuGz, jsut use the pr iirc |
| 07:53.45 | Lazar | cyklus: stty |
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| 07:53.47 | jetscreamer | point release |
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| 07:53.55 | Lazar | make sure u define the 'any' key |
| 07:54.08 | Quarupt | okay that didnt work |
| 07:54.12 | karamelos | jetscreamer, /cdrom is not mounted, so ls -l /cdrom just displays "total 0". |
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| 07:54.25 | cyklus | Lazar: what is stty? |
| 07:54.26 | jetscreamer | karamelos, ls -l /bin/mount -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 68440 2004-12-25 09:17 /bin/mount |
| 07:54.32 | Lazar | set tty |
| 07:54.42 | jetscreamer | karamelos, /cdrom is a directory? here its a symlink |
| 07:54.46 | Lazar | it will help you set the terminal commands like suspend for example |
| 07:54.49 | Lazar | man stty |
| 07:54.57 | Quarupt | I got ide-default: hdd: failed to register with ide.c |
| 07:55.09 | Quarupt | when i tryed to boot the new kernel |
| 07:55.12 | Russo017 | hey has anyone here got SATA RAID0 running for debian |
| 07:55.26 | Russo017 | i mean to boot from |
| 07:55.35 | Lazar | Quarupt:: perhaps you need modules... |
| 07:55.38 | Quarupt | ide; default attatch failed |
| 07:55.43 | PuGz | jetscreamer, point release iirc? i dont understand, sorry |
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| 07:55.58 | Quarupt | man this is why i didnt wanna upgrade, i dunno how to do all this |
| 07:56.03 | Lazar | check your /lib/modules dir for a match to the kernel name you are trying to boot |
| 07:56.05 | karamelos | jetscreamer, here /cdrom is a directory, and it had worked well that way but not now. |
| 07:56.13 | PuGz | use this? ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux/linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run |
| 07:56.17 | jetscreamer | PuGz, iirc you just install the point release file, linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run |
| 07:56.19 | PuGz | is that what you mean? |
| 07:56.19 | cyklus | Lazar: im new to linux and not sure what you mean... could you please explain? |
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| 07:56.23 | karamelos | jetscreamer, I had /bin/mount chmod as 777. |
| 07:56.31 | simonrvn | karamelos: WHAT? |
| 07:56.40 | jetscreamer | PuGz, then cp pak0.pk3 and pak1 (or whatever they are) from the cd |
| 07:56.41 | Quarupt | okay one sec i need to help my roomate he has installed every spyware program known to man |
| 07:56.41 | cyklus | Lazar: dohh did see your other message.. thanks |
| 07:56.42 | PuGz | jetscreamer, ok.... damn 30 mb download tho.... on dial up |
| 07:57.03 | jetscreamer | karamelos, chmod +s /bin/mount |
| 07:57.10 | simonrvn | man, and people wonder wh ythey get 0wned so easily... |
| 07:57.20 | chugga_ | hmmm. question debian - |
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| 07:57.40 | chugga_ | in my sources.list ... can i put in rsync mirrors? |
| 07:57.43 | Lazar | cyklus: usually the suspend command is control-z |
| 07:57.49 | chugga_ | (and does that offer any advantage?) |
| 07:57.55 | Lazar | some terminals do not set it. |
| 07:57.55 | jetscreamer | oh it's 777 so i guess it doesn't matter |
| 07:57.59 | shurik | what's an easiest way to configure X on Debian sarge?e? |
| 07:58.11 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:58.18 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: um, s/he has */bin/mount* as 777 |
| 07:58.28 | jetscreamer | [01.57.57] <jetscreamer> oh it's 777 so i guess it doesn't matter |
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| 07:58.44 | Lazar | cyklus:stty -a will show you all of the terminal (tty) switches |
| 07:58.47 | Russo017 | hey has anyone here got SATA RAID0 running for debian and gotten it to boot? |
| 07:59.00 | karamelos | jetscreamer, not the cdrom mounts as non root! thx! |
| 07:59.08 | jetscreamer | holy shit |
| 07:59.14 | PuGz | naught naught |
| 07:59.15 | jetscreamer | simonrvn? |
| 07:59.17 | PuGz | *y |
| 07:59.17 | Lazar | Russo017 I do not but I would imagine there may be something missing in your initrd setup |
| 07:59.22 | simonrvn | fuck it. let him get r00ted... see if i care... |
| 07:59.36 | Russo017 | im noob im guessing thats the install |
| 07:59.40 | Russo017 | and thats wut i heard already |
| 07:59.47 | jetscreamer | simonrvn, he had it 777 .. then he added +s and it works? |
| 07:59.55 | simonrvn | um, duh |
| 07:59.57 | Russo017 | is there a good kernel editing driver editing tutorial u can link me to |
| 08:00.02 | nvz | heh |
| 08:00.15 | simonrvn | he set u+s on it. |
| 08:00.20 | simonrvn | setuid |
| 08:00.22 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-docs |
| 08:00.22 | Quarupt | Okay so what do i have to do so this new kernel will work, look where for modules? |
| 08:00.36 | Quarupt | Lazar, |
| 08:00.39 | Lazar | Russo017: are you a c++ guru? |
| 08:00.51 | simonrvn | karamelos: do this: chmod o-w /bin/mount. PLEASE |
| 08:00.55 | cyklus | Lazar: thanks |
| 08:01.08 | Lazar | cyklus: that help? |
| 08:01.13 | jetscreamer | o-w or o -w |
| 08:01.20 | simonrvn | o-w |
| 08:01.27 | simonrvn | NOT a typo |
| 08:01.27 | cyklus | Lazar: yup reading up on it now |
| 08:01.35 | Lazar | you will now want to check out nano or vi to edit your .bashrc file. You should add the stty commands you want in your shell all the time |
| 08:01.37 | Russo017 | umm i know java as in i kind of get it and a bit of c++ as in i can read it |
| 08:01.40 | jetscreamer | karamelos, btw do whatever simonrvn says |
| 08:01.42 | simonrvn | means remove world write |
| 08:01.51 | Lazar | also a good idea to migrate anything you want everyone to have into /etc/skel |
| 08:01.57 | Quarupt | Lazar, What do i do to fix this module problem? |
| 08:01.58 | karamelos | simonrvn, done, thx. |
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| 08:02.22 | simonrvn | HINT: use the filesystem's protections. good basic skill to learn how to use *properly* |
| 08:02.27 | Lazar | Quarupt: there is also a module package you can 'apt-get install' |
| 08:02.33 | simonrvn | karamelos: thank you |
| 08:02.45 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, do you have module-init-tools ? |
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| 08:02.50 | Xenguy | Openoffice spell-check doesn't work for some reason -- can anyone suggest a solution for debian? |
| 08:02.55 | jetscreamer | apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 08:03.09 | PuGz | thinking of getting a graphics card... nvidia or ati? i think nvidia is better for linux? yes? |
| 08:03.10 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge openoffice* is good |
| 08:03.13 | shurik | I have two c snapshos for sarge, how do I conigure apt to use packages on this cd's? |
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| 08:03.28 | maher | Xenguy: have you installed the spelling disctionaries |
| 08:03.39 | Xenguy | maher: what is the package name? |
| 08:03.39 | nvz | gah, I just figured out where DTA doesnt work.. this cock gobbler got an image map, and DTA cant see the links |
| 08:03.41 | jetscreamer | PuGz, do the research FIRST. they both can be a pain to get going, but which is best for you is up2u |
| 08:03.46 | Quarupt | whats the package called? |
| 08:03.54 | Lazar | Quarupt: Make sure you have the modules installed. cd /lib/modules and ls contents. |
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| 08:04.00 | PuGz | jetscreamer, your preference? |
| 08:04.03 | Quarupt | Laser, what the package called? |
| 08:04.06 | shurik | anyone? |
| 08:04.18 | jetscreamer | PuGz, i've been using nvidia since wfw 3.11 iirc |
| 08:04.21 | Lazar | you are looking for a directory that matches the name of the kernel that you installed, so this would be the new athlon64-generic |
| 08:04.28 | jetscreamer | or at least w95 |
| 08:04.40 | PuGz | cool |
| 08:04.40 | maher | Xenguy: i don't remember - should be recommened |
| 08:04.45 | PuGz | i think i might go for an nvidia |
| 08:04.47 | jetscreamer | do the research, decide for yourself though |
| 08:04.56 | PuGz | ok |
| 08:05.00 | Xenguy | maher: I'll check |
| 08:05.04 | Lazar | I ran aptitude search kernel and didn't see anything other than the pcmcia modules so I believe you have the modules installed. |
| 08:05.24 | maher | Xenguy: myspell |
| 08:05.29 | karamelos | jetscreamer, should I "chmod +s" all files in /bin ? |
| 08:05.31 | jetscreamer | look and see what's coming out soon or next PuGz ... read some sites like anandtech or toms hardware |
| 08:05.35 | jetscreamer | no karamelos |
| 08:05.42 | peterS | karamelos: wtf? where did you get that idea? |
| 08:05.44 | jetscreamer | only the ones that should be :)_ |
| 08:05.50 | shurik | apt prints a message, it can't find cdrom:// while a cd is in cdrom |
| 08:05.51 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, shurik |
| 08:05.54 | Quarupt | BOX420:/lib/modules# ls |
| 08:05.58 | Quarupt | 2.4.27-1-386 2.6.8-10-amd64-generic |
| 08:05.59 | jetscreamer | karamelos, iirc there are like maybe 7 in the entire system |
| 08:06.11 | karamelos | jetscreamer, I had to "chmod +s" umount at least too. |
| 08:06.22 | peterS | karamelos: yes, /bin/mount and /bin/umount are +s |
| 08:06.25 | Lazar | 420? hope you aren't running sid ;P |
| 08:06.31 | jetscreamer | shurik, you have a cd set up in your sources.list.. comment it out |
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| 08:06.36 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 08:06.44 | Quarupt | thats what was in there BOX420:/lib/modules# ls |
| 08:06.46 | peterS | karamelos: along with /bin/login, /bin/ping, /bin/ping6 and /bin/su, on my system |
| 08:06.47 | Quarupt | 2.4.27-1-386 2.6.8-10-amd64-generic |
| 08:06.49 | nvz | this firefox just chews my CPU out when it d/l's and the strange think is the file I just d/l came in seconds, at like 500kb/s+ and I am on 3mb service, 384kb/s should be my max I thought |
| 08:06.56 | shurik | jetscreamer: yes |
| 08:06.57 | Lazar | modules are installed. |
| 08:07.05 | karamelos | thx peterS, I needed that. |
| 08:07.09 | Lazar | run dmesg | less and review the output |
| 08:07.13 | mindframe | where can i configure the thing responsible for generating .bashrc and .bash_profile when i add a user? |
| 08:07.18 | jetscreamer | karamelos, i had the same problem once.. i think it was peterS who told me which to +s as well |
| 08:07.23 | peterS | mindframe: /etc/skel/ |
| 08:07.34 | Russo017 | umm |
| 08:07.38 | Russo017 | i just did an isntall |
| 08:07.41 | jetscreamer | shurik, nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update |
| 08:07.43 | Russo017 | and i cant do start x |
| 08:07.44 | karamelos | jetscreamer, so the default chmod in /bin should be 755, right? |
| 08:07.49 | Russo017 | it says fatal errors |
| 08:07.53 | peterS | karamelos: yeah |
| 08:07.53 | jetscreamer | karamelos, i do not know |
| 08:07.54 | Russo017 | can someone plz PM me |
| 08:07.55 | shurik | how do I configure apt to use cd sets? |
| 08:07.58 | Russo017 | that can help |
| 08:08.03 | shurik | jetscreamer: what's this? |
| 08:08.05 | jetscreamer | Russo017, try modprobe mousedev |
| 08:08.09 | Quarupt | so i do have the modules so whats wrong? |
| 08:08.10 | peterS | subopt: apt-setup |
| 08:08.21 | shurik | apt-get update produces errors |
| 08:08.22 | nvz | well not opening the d/l window makes the heavy CPU biting more spaces out.. about every 2 seconds it takes a large bite instead of constantly like 5+ times a second |
| 08:08.23 | peterS | ummmm. that was for shurik |
| 08:08.28 | jetscreamer | shurik, it's how to comment out the cdrom source in your sources.list |
| 08:08.37 | PuGz | shurik, try running apt-setup as root |
| 08:08.38 | shurik | jetscreamer: it's not commented |
| 08:08.46 | mindframe | peterS: so /etc/skel/ contains the stuff inserted in the users home dir when the user is created? |
| 08:08.50 | peterS | mindframe: yes |
| 08:08.55 | mindframe | peterS: thanks |
| 08:09.01 | peterS | np |
| 08:09.10 | Russo017 | fatal IO error 104 (cnnection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 Known processed) with - events remaining. |
| 08:09.28 | jetscreamer | comment it to remove that error you pasted |
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| 08:10.05 | jetscreamer | oh. you WANT it to use the cdrom as a source |
| 08:10.07 | shurik | PuGz: thanks |
| 08:10.13 | comm_ | [Student(~juLiet@n219079036060.netvigator.com)] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 08:10.17 | comm_ | onjoin spam |
| 08:10.28 | jetscreamer | dselect will set that up. |
| 08:10.30 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 08:10.43 | jetscreamer | comm, yeah. #freenode |
| 08:10.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.03 | nvz | pulling down a less than 10MB file at 500+kb/s should not suck up all the cpu to wwhere the keyboard is not buffering properly and keys are repeating, music is skipping... etc and I should not be gettin g500kb/s anyhow afaik |
| 08:11.05 | Lazar | next would be seeing what modules are loaded now in your current kernel anyone now how to see what is currently loading in the good initrd? |
| 08:11.15 | Quarupt | ? |
| 08:11.26 | Quarupt | I dunno why the new kernelk didnt work? |
| 08:11.28 | jetscreamer | Lazar, dmesg maybe |
| 08:11.28 | comm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.30 | nvz | this is a P4 1.8GHZ with 512MB RAMBUS ffs |
| 08:11.30 | Quarupt | I have the modules |
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| 08:11.34 | Lazar | I'm not sure how to look, you can try to more the initrd |
| 08:11.48 | peterS | nvz: agreed on both points |
| 08:12.00 | nvz | fastest PC I ever did have.. heh. I used to work on 200mhz and shit that could play an mp3 and download a file |
| 08:12.01 | jetscreamer | comm_, /join #freenode eh .. see the /who *.staff.freenode |
| 08:12.14 | TTT | hey, someone kickban Student |
| 08:12.15 | peterS | nvz: you should not be getting 500 kB/s because I "only" get ~160 kB/s so that would suck |
| 08:12.19 | TTT | Student: http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 08:12.19 | Quarupt | !dpkg nvz is a spambot |
| 08:12.19 | dpkg | okay, Quarupt |
| 08:12.20 | cat | !godsmack |
| 08:12.31 | jetscreamer | TTT, /join #freenode |
| 08:12.33 | peterS | !forget dpkg nvz |
| 08:12.33 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'dpkg nvz' to forget, peterS |
| 08:12.33 | cat | !dpkg |
| 08:12.33 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 08:12.41 | nvz | peterS: heh, well like I said my pipe is 3mb, and my calculations say my maximum d/l should be 384kb/s |
| 08:12.43 | jetscreamer | !nvz |
| 08:12.44 | dpkg | i heard nvz is a spambot |
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| 08:12.48 | cat | lol |
| 08:12.51 | nvz | heh |
| 08:12.52 | cat | !cat |
| 08:12.52 | Quarupt | lmao |
| 08:12.52 | dpkg | it has been said that cat is a *nix command, see also more, less, or even better : the heavenly sweet 'dog'. |
| 08:13.02 | nvz | dpkg, info nvz |
| 08:13.06 | nvz | er |
| 08:13.11 | nvz | dpkg, factinfo nvz |
| 08:13.14 | dpkg | nvz -- created by Quarupt <~Quarupt@c-67-183-250-196.client.comcast.net> 55s ago; it has been requested once, last by jetscreamer, 31s ago. |
| 08:13.16 | Rage | hey, say i have several static ips, how would i add new ones to debian, it won't let me go past eth0 |
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| 08:13.22 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:13.27 | cat | dpkg, factinfo pork |
| 08:13.27 | dpkg | pork -- created by streuner <~streuner@pD9E5DA38.dip.t-dialin.net> at Tue Dec 7 08:17:17 2004 (81 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by cat at Wed Dec 22 03:15:02 2004. |
| 08:13.28 | nvz | I dont even know that person |
| 08:13.37 | sussudio | !no, nvz is a soviet spy |
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| 08:13.48 | nvz | in fact until like 1 minute ago I never even seen this person |
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| 08:13.57 | jetscreamer | nvz today is his first day in channel |
| 08:13.59 | Quarupt | !tell dpkg Quarupt is a Cpp GOD |
| 08:14.00 | Rage | btw, you guys have onjoin spam |
| 08:14.12 | quitte | !ops Student is an onjoin spammer |
| 08:14.12 | sussudio | Rage: whoopee. |
| 08:14.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Student is an onjoin spammer |
| 08:14.17 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 08:14.17 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 08:14.18 | jetscreamer | Rage, it's freenode not debian |
| 08:14.22 | nvz | so someone who comes in here for one day, is already making a factiod.. and about me none the less? |
| 08:14.28 | mairu | Rage: I've bought that up a hundred times, nobody seems to care. |
| 08:14.34 | jetscreamer | rage, /join #freenode && /topic |
| 08:14.38 | shurik | does xfree86 support usb optical mouse? |
| 08:14.43 | comm | I told someone |
| 08:14.43 | peterS | shurik: yes |
| 08:14.48 | cat | !pork |
| 08:14.52 | Rage | *s |
| 08:14.54 | jetscreamer | yes shurik , by default if the correct modules are loaded |
| 08:14.56 | shurik | peterS: which device should I choose for it? |
| 08:15.08 | peterS | shurik: /dev/input/mice. protocol is 'ExplorerPS/2' |
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| 08:15.14 | mairu | jetscreamer: I've got it even when I didn't join #freenode |
| 08:15.21 | comm | whats the command to bring up the graphical apt sources chooser? |
| 08:15.36 | jetscreamer | i mean JOIN freenode and tell them, that's their job |
| 08:15.46 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, Okay i have the modules so why isnt it working? |
| 08:15.47 | HostingGeek | bob2: hey i got a static ip and a static rdns |
| 08:15.53 | cat | comm: u mean tasksel? |
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| 08:16.02 | shurik | peterS: thanks |
| 08:16.04 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, like i said a while ago, do you have module-init-tools? |
| 08:16.16 | Quarupt | i dunno, how do i check? |
| 08:16.23 | jetscreamer | try apt-get install |
| 08:16.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l |
| 08:16.29 | Rage | so, anyhow, how would one add an extra ipv4 address to an existing interface under debian? |
| 08:16.31 | buu | peterS: ! |
| 08:16.34 | karamelos | comm, apt-setup? |
| 08:16.41 | peterS | heya, buu |
| 08:16.46 | jetscreamer | dselect will set up apt sources |
| 08:16.46 | buu | peterS: Why isn't exim4 responding on telnet foo 25 or 110? |
| 08:16.47 | Xenguy | maher: myspell-en-us <-- thanks :-) |
| 08:16.56 | Lazar | you know that may be it also |
| 08:16.57 | peterS | buu: it won't respond to 110 because it isn't a pop3 server |
| 08:17.01 | peterS | buu: as for port 25, I dunno |
| 08:17.12 | Lazar | 2.4 -> 2.6 is not a fun upgrade if I recall |
| 08:17.13 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, it says i allready have them |
| 08:17.28 | Lazar | I'm still on 2.4 |
| 08:17.29 | buu | peterS: Oh, it only responds to localhost |
| 08:17.36 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, what module? |
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| 08:17.49 | peterS | buu: I don't use exim4 so I dunno, check your config files to see why it only binds localhost |
| 08:17.49 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, i dunno what you mean? |
| 08:18.03 | Lazar | jetscreamer is right, I believe you need the module-init-tools, but aren't there conflicts? |
| 08:18.03 | jetscreamer | what module do you need loaded or whatever |
| 08:18.07 | shurik | how do I find my monitor's horizontal sync range? |
| 08:18.16 | Quarupt | I dont know, whatever one will make it work? |
| 08:18.16 | nvz | !sync |
| 08:18.17 | dpkg | for monitor Sync ranges and Refresh rates, see http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html |
| 08:18.26 | jetscreamer | shurik, use the medium selection, or google or monitorworld.com |
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| 08:18.28 | peterS | shurik: 'apt-get install read-edid; get-edid | parse-edid' is one way |
| 08:18.29 | Quarupt | you want the kernel panic error i got when i tried to boot it? |
| 08:18.32 | jetscreamer | or there |
| 08:18.32 | cat | !debian |
| 08:18.32 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 08:18.34 | shurik | I don't have any browsers installed yet |
| 08:18.39 | angsa_ | hi all, how i banned subject email with amavis ? |
| 08:18.42 | peterS | cat: now that's a pretty useless thing to do |
| 08:18.55 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, ahhh that's different. yeah ok what did it say? (no big paste btw) |
| 08:19.01 | buu | peterS: No, I set localhost deliberately |
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| 08:19.25 | jetscreamer | shurik, apt-get install lynx |
| 08:19.35 | suzzi | hello all, any one know where debian's mysql stores the actual databases? I'm building up a server and was wondering if it was in /var or /usr? |
| 08:19.41 | Quarupt | ide-default: hdd: failed to register with ide.c |
| 08:19.48 | shurik | jetscreamer: you are not very helpful man |
| 08:19.57 | maher | suzzi: var |
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| 08:19.58 | Quarupt | kerenl panic! ide: default attach failed |
| 08:20.03 | comm | dselect doesn't actually show the available mirrors only allows you to enter in an apt-source |
| 08:20.03 | suzzi | maher: cool thanks |
| 08:20.07 | saadiq21 | hi |
| 08:20.18 | shurik | it'd be nice you've gone to google and fou horizontal syn range for damon view , 17 inch |
| 08:20.22 | shurik | :) |
| 08:20.45 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, did ya see what i said |
| 08:21.28 | Quarupt | shurik, he is just here to help us help ourselfs, not do our work, he is not obligated to do anything |
| 08:21.28 | Lazar | still soliciting help with iproute2 commands... |
| 08:21.32 | jetscreamer | shurik, you can choose the medium instead of advanced, and avoid the need to know for now |
| 08:21.45 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, yes i did.. never seen that one. |
| 08:22.07 | jetscreamer | shurik, btw you would need the model# |
| 08:22.09 | shurik | jetscreamer: okay |
| 08:22.10 | nvz | dpkg, sync =~ s/.html/.html or http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html/ |
| 08:22.10 | Quarupt | great, so i might as well just forget about upgrading my kernel |
| 08:22.19 | nvz | heh |
| 08:22.26 | jetscreamer | trailing / nvz |
| 08:22.33 | nvz | dpkg, sync =~ s#.html#.html or http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html# |
| 08:22.33 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 08:22.35 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
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| 08:22.42 | nvz | jetscreamer: used the wrong delimiter |
| 08:22.45 | jetscreamer | i can't read |
| 08:22.46 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, what should i try now? |
| 08:22.51 | shurik | but what resolution should I choose? for nvidia 64Mb graphics card and 17 inch monitor? |
| 08:22.52 | nvz | jetscreamer: the / and : are in the url, so I cant use either |
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| 08:22.53 | youssef_ | Hello. Is there a channel for gnupolot ? |
| 08:22.55 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, did you try google? |
| 08:23.03 | Lazar | I believe there are dox on upgrading from 2.4->2.6 |
| 08:23.13 | angsa_ | hi all, how i banned email subject with amavis ? |
| 08:23.16 | Quarupt | ya nothing but old useless usenet stuff about ide.c crap |
| 08:23.28 | jetscreamer | shurik, what do you like to run in? choose that one, it will be the max. |
| 08:23.38 | shurik | 1600x1200 sound good |
| 08:23.50 | Lazar | I remember doing it a litlte while ao but came back down since the patches i want to use in the kernel weren't building under 2.6 (yet) |
| 08:23.56 | jetscreamer | shurik, if it works at that size, yeah |
| 08:23.59 | shurik | it's too late now, it's going through advanced setup |
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| 08:24.06 | jetscreamer | you can redo it |
| 08:24.08 | Quarupt | i think ill try a different kernel |
| 08:24.10 | jetscreamer | when donw |
| 08:24.10 | shurik | I don't know if it's going to work |
| 08:24.16 | jetscreamer | done |
| 08:24.28 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, think i should try another kernel image see if it does the same thing? |
| 08:24.33 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, that is an option... you shouldn't 'have' to though |
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| 08:24.43 | jetscreamer | is this the generic or k8? |
| 08:24.47 | Quarupt | how do i delete the one i just installed? |
| 08:24.53 | Quarupt | Generic |
| 08:25.07 | Lazar | module-init-tools... |
| 08:25.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge |
| 08:25.21 | Quarupt | ? |
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| 08:25.27 | Quarupt | thyats it |
| 08:25.36 | chugga_ | ... |
| 08:25.36 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge <name of package> |
| 08:25.39 | chugga_ | in my sources.list ... can i put in rsync mirrors? |
| 08:25.51 | Quarupt | i cant remeber the name of the package |
| 08:25.59 | maher | chugga_: what is an rsync mirror? |
| 08:26.05 | jetscreamer | or use a package manager like aptitude |
| 08:26.12 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 08:26.13 | dpkg | from memory, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: ... |
| 08:26.24 | peterS | maher: presumably he's asking if rsync can be used as a download protocol |
| 08:26.27 | jetscreamer | but aptitude is the usual |
| 08:26.29 | peterS | which it can't |
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| 08:26.42 | chugga_ | maher, i mean rsync://blah, |
| 08:26.48 | maher | chugga_: no |
| 08:26.51 | Quarupt | i hate that thing, couldnt firgue out how to use it, whats wrong with synaptic? |
| 08:26.51 | peterS | chugga_: apt doesn't support rsync at this time |
| 08:27.03 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, you 'should' be able to hit the up arrow a lot and recall the command |
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| 08:27.05 | maher | Quarupt: some people like aptitude |
| 08:27.08 | peterS | Quarupt: synaptic is a GUI program that generally runs as root. be afraid |
| 08:27.10 | chugga_ | petemc, ok. would it be very useful if it did? |
| 08:27.10 | jetscreamer | and see the pkg name |
| 08:27.12 | shurik | regular user is not authorized to run X ??? |
| 08:27.23 | shurik | to start X using startx |
| 08:27.29 | peterS | chugga_: with any luck we will eventually have zsync support in apt. that'll be much better than rsync |
| 08:27.35 | jetscreamer | shurik, yes they are but you can tell them no... you should let them |
| 08:27.37 | shurik | grrr, such a hassle to get X going to linux |
| 08:27.37 | Quarupt | i have restarted, that clears the memory buffer |
| 08:27.45 | chugga_ | petemc, cool. so it will only transfer diffs, am i right? |
| 08:27.51 | shurik | whom? |
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| 08:27.51 | peterS | chugga_: that's the idea |
| 08:27.57 | shurik | who to tell?:) |
| 08:28.04 | shurik | TO my application?:)) |
| 08:28.04 | chugga_ | peters. nice :) Well good luck debian! |
| 08:28.22 | peterS | shurik: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 08:28.33 | peterS | shurik: it asks you a question about whether ordinary users are supposed to be allowed to run startx |
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| 08:29.09 | jetscreamer | or have to have ?dm running i guess |
| 08:29.16 | Quarupt | what is SMP? |
| 08:29.22 | shurik | peterS: I have done so, but it still doesn't allow to start X |
| 08:29.25 | jetscreamer | multi processors |
| 08:29.30 | jetscreamer | got 2 cpu's? |
| 08:29.32 | Quarupt | one of the images says for AMD 64 SMP procs |
| 08:29.39 | Quarupt | no I only have one |
| 08:29.41 | shingouz | !tell Quarupt about smp |
| 08:29.43 | jetscreamer | !smp |
| 08:29.43 | peterS | Quarupt: if you don't know what it is, you don't want it |
| 08:29.44 | dpkg | i guess smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/ |
| 08:29.45 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 08:29.51 | shingouz | :) |
| 08:30.00 | Quarupt | I dunno what K8 is and you guys said it was okay to use |
| 08:30.11 | peterS | Quarupt: K8 means AMD64 |
| 08:30.15 | maher | Quarupt: but it didn't work did it :) |
| 08:30.16 | Quarupt | oh lol |
| 08:30.20 | jetscreamer | me, i said 'if it was me, i would' |
| 08:30.30 | Quarupt | ok im gunna try a K8 one now |
| 08:30.34 | jetscreamer | no he used the generic amd64 kernel, not the k-8 specific one |
| 08:30.52 | Quarupt | im gunna use |
| 08:30.53 | Quarupt | kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 |
| 08:30.57 | shurik | I can't setup X :(( |
| 08:31.19 | jetscreamer | shurik, choose medium. and try modprobe mousedev |
| 08:31.43 | jetscreamer | how do you test if a specific module is loaded? |
| 08:31.44 | shurik | it's not presenting me w9ith medium , damn it |
| 08:31.49 | Quarupt | what if it says the same thing when i try this one? |
| 08:31.50 | Russo017 | guys |
| 08:31.53 | jetscreamer | it should |
| 08:32.02 | jetscreamer | then you fuxored it |
| 08:32.07 | Russo017 | im having trouble i cant get startx with my 6800gt after install |
| 08:32.10 | Russo017 | can someone help |
| 08:32.28 | jetscreamer | did you choose nv? i bet nv doesn't support it |
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| 08:32.37 | Russo017 | yea |
| 08:32.39 | Russo017 | i did |
| 08:32.41 | Russo017 | :( |
| 08:32.52 | Russo017 | wut should i do |
| 08:32.55 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 08:32.56 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia was To learn how to install the nVidia 3D drivers on your Debian system, ask me about 'nvidia-howto'. That should explain all you need to know. If you already installed and just need a reminder on how to do it again, ask me about 'nvidia one-liner'. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun ... |
| 08:32.58 | lampshade | Russo017, install the nvidia drivers. Then change your config from nv to nvidia |
| 08:33.11 | jetscreamer | Russo017, see also #nvidia |
| 08:33.13 | shurik | jetscreamer: when I jetscreamer when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it's asking me to choose the driver and I don't don't know which one to choose |
| 08:33.23 | jetscreamer | shurik, what card |
| 08:33.34 | shurik | I don't know |
| 08:33.42 | shurik | nvidia 64Mb |
| 08:33.51 | jetscreamer | shurik, choose nv |
| 08:33.55 | Russo017 | lampshade |
| 08:33.58 | shurik | oki |
| 08:34.00 | aliasptr | Hi I have a really stupid question, I 've read the man pages for dselect and the intro, I have selected a number of packages with dselect but it has not installed them yet, is it possible to clear these selections after I've exited dselect, and if so, how? |
| 08:34.05 | Russo017 | i dont have any linux installs right now |
| 08:34.09 | Russo017 | what should i do |
| 08:34.14 | Russo017 | sept this one |
| 08:34.14 | jetscreamer | aliasptr, shift+r |
| 08:34.43 | aliasptr | yes I tried that and then when I go "install" it still lists all the packages to be installed and asks to continue |
| 08:34.43 | shurik | jetscreamer: now it's asking for bus indentifier |
| 08:34.47 | jetscreamer | Russo017, i find the nvidia .run easier to install, but that's just me |
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| 08:35.08 | jetscreamer | shurik, leave it blank unless you have >1 vid card |
| 08:35.19 | alus | argh, "Internal compiler error" in woody |
| 08:35.22 | alus | who said this was stable? |
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| 08:35.37 | maher | alus: what are you doing? |
| 08:35.42 | alus | compiling wx |
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| 08:35.43 | aliasptr | jetscreamer, this is in the select menu, correct? |
| 08:35.44 | shurik | so difficult to get X going |
| 08:36.04 | maher | alus: stables wx? |
| 08:36.07 | suzzi | Any one know of a good list of what drivers to use for what product? I have a box of old cards (vid, sound, nic...) and would like to see if I can shove some in to an my linux box |
| 08:36.15 | jetscreamer | aliasptr, shift R works, unless you exited the choosing menu (i believe) |
| 08:36.25 | alus | maher: no, wx cvs, I do dev work on it |
| 08:36.32 | aliasptr | jetscreamer, yes unfortunately I did exit |
| 08:36.41 | maher | alus: hmm.. congrats you've found a bug |
| 08:36.46 | shurik | :(( |
| 08:37.00 | shurik | now it's asking for memory in kb |
| 08:37.06 | shurik | what's going with X setup |
| 08:37.37 | maher | shurik: if you read the instructions you would realise youcould leave that blacnk |
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| 08:37.50 | alus | maher: I'm elated. should I submit a bug report or will the package maintainer just tell me to move to sarge? |
| 08:37.51 | jetscreamer | The opposite effect, to back out any selections change requests and go back to the previous list of selections, is attained by pressing the |
| 08:37.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.51 | Quarupt | Same thing, sept i wrote down more stuff |
| 08:38.03 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 08:38.13 | jetscreamer | shurik, 64*1024 |
| 08:38.24 | shurik | how do I setup X in an easy way? |
| 08:38.24 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, have you ever seen INVALID GEOMOTRY: 0 physical heads ? |
| 08:38.36 | aliasptr | jetscreamer, yeah I had read that, packages have already begun downloading but were interrupted, short of going through it by hand, is ther another way using apt-get or dpkg? |
| 08:38.37 | maher | alus: yes and yes - but see if you can find more precisely what's triggering it |
| 08:38.48 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, no but i would guess it's video relates |
| 08:38.51 | jetscreamer | related |
| 08:39.05 | Quarupt | video? i would have thought hard drive related |
| 08:39.12 | jetscreamer | aliasptr, yes there is but i forgot what that guy said he did |
| 08:39.14 | Quarupt | its and HDD; error |
| 08:39.19 | aliasptr | damn |
| 08:39.19 | jetscreamer | oh yeah hd |
| 08:39.19 | aliasptr | hehe |
| 08:39.40 | Quarupt | i think thsi why i cant use a different kernel |
| 08:39.47 | shurik | thats in interesting, why should regular users be presented with such an eise to setup X? For those who needs extra level of configuration could always use config file and an editor |
| 08:39.51 | shurik | :(( |
| 08:39.56 | jetscreamer | aliasptr, iirc it's a dpkg thing, man dpkg |
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| 08:40.12 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, whats the next step? |
| 08:40.14 | aliasptr | jetscreamer, well perhaps I'll try to figure it out |
| 08:40.19 | aliasptr | jetscreamer, thanks much |
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| 08:40.30 | shurik | what xkb rule should I select? |
| 08:40.46 | alus | maher: well, it says Internal compiler error in `output_die', at dwarf2out.c:5433 (which is not one of my source files, so I assume that's specific) |
| 08:41.05 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, i really don't know, because i don't know how 64 differs from 32 in implementation |
| 08:41.12 | jetscreamer | pc104 usually |
| 08:41.19 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 08:41.21 | shurik | does anyone know a script or ncurses fronted to confi8ghuend to configure X? |
| 08:41.24 | Quarupt | damn, i guess i just stick with this kernel, what a pitty |
| 08:41.38 | maher | alus: if you want to try and debug it look for the smallest source file that will produce the bug - how bad do you want this fixed? |
| 08:41.38 | jetscreamer | that is an ncurses interface |
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| 08:42.15 | Quarupt | Who was telling me about freevo? |
| 08:42.24 | Quarupt | can you watch tv on your comp with that? |
| 08:42.29 | alus | maher: well, I'm stuck using woody because it's the only distro with decent opengl performance |
| 08:42.47 | alus | I'm not attached to this version of g++, but I assume woody is |
| 08:43.00 | shurik | jetscreamer: I followed medieum default values and when I run startx , X servers fails |
| 08:43.34 | jetscreamer | shurik, why. what was the error (btw try modprobe mousedev) |
| 08:43.39 | alus | so I'd say it's critical to what I do with debian, but limiting it to a single source is a big project, wx is huge |
| 08:43.41 | jetscreamer | shurik, /var/log |
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| 08:44.09 | maher | alus: i dunno - i don't claim any expertise in debugging compilers... |
| 08:44.14 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, /msg dpkg info freevo |
| 08:44.51 | ChrysalisM | alus: why is woody the only distro with decent opengl performance? |
| 08:45.09 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 08:45.47 | alus | ChrysalisM: Yes. This videocard uses the SGI GLX implementation, and I get 10x higher fps with woody than with sid/sarge |
| 08:45.54 | shurik | jetscreamer: nothing for mousedev |
| 08:46.09 | jetscreamer | shurik, what kernel |
| 08:46.13 | alus | the performance of the SGI GLX on sid/sarge is equivalent to mesa |
| 08:46.14 | jetscreamer | uname -r |
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| 08:46.26 | BadMan | woohoo! |
| 08:46.36 | ChrysalisM | what kind of card is it |
| 08:46.39 | BadMan | i got the MX400 to work with 2.4.18-bf2 |
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| 08:46.56 | jetscreamer | now get a real kernel BadMan |
| 08:46.56 | BadMan | and xfree 4.1.0.1 from disc 5 of woody! |
| 08:47.08 | BadMan | hey im a newb im damn proud |
| 08:47.17 | shurik | jetscreamer: 2.4.27 |
| 08:47.18 | jetscreamer | !wtg BadMan |
| 08:47.19 | dpkg | Way to go, BadMan! Congrats! |
| 08:47.29 | alus | ChrysalisM: S3 Trio |
| 08:47.50 | Quarupt | jetscreamer, Package freevo doesnt exist? |
| 08:48.07 | shurik | jetscreamer: http://users.tpg.com.au/alexgne/XFreee86.0.log |
| 08:48.24 | jetscreamer | okie shurik what does less /var/log/XFree86.0.log tell you... oh ok |
| 08:48.38 | ChrysalisM | why not just run your older X server with a newer dist then just curious |
| 08:48.58 | BadMan | now onto installing kde/gnom... I have xdm window magaer working but of course its quite ugly... 8-( |
| 08:49.05 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.19 | jethro | hi #debian |
| 08:49.35 | jetscreamer | hey tabbuddy |
| 08:49.42 | jethro | how are you jetscreamer today? |
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| 08:50.24 | ChrysalisM | I get 8500 FPS with my geforce in X.org 6.8.1 |
| 08:50.26 | alus | this compiler error is very googlable |
| 08:50.35 | alus | why doesn't woody switch g++ versions? |
| 08:50.54 | idnar | alus: because then you could hardly call it "stable" |
| 08:51.07 | alus | well I don't call compiler errors "stable" |
| 08:51.09 | shurik | ChrysalisM: I downloaded sarge cd's and installing whatever it comes with |
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| 08:51.41 | jetscreamer | shurik, Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! apt-get install xfs maybe |
| 08:52.02 | jetscreamer | woody is stable |
| 08:52.07 | idnar | alus: "stable adj 1: resistant to change of position or condition" |
| 08:52.09 | jetscreamer | pretty good jethro |
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| 08:52.34 | shurik | jetscreamer: xfs is not avaialbe and refered by another package COuldn't install it |
| 08:52.38 | idnar | alus: or "5: showing little if any change;" if you prefer |
| 08:52.39 | jethro | I m fscking sick, slept like 20 hours in a row |
| 08:52.39 | alus | ok, non functional is a very bad condition |
| 08:52.47 | jetscreamer | shurik, how about apt-get install x-window-system |
| 08:52.57 | jetscreamer | does it do anything or tell you it's the latest |
| 08:53.14 | karamelos | I used frame-buffer support with kernel 2.4.22. Now I am "make xconfig" kernel 2.4.27 and frame-buffer option is disable. do you know why could it be? |
| 08:53.32 | idnar | alus: it's possible that the bug could be fixed by a patch in a stable update, but woody certainly wouldn't move to a new version of g++ |
| 08:53.37 | jethro | karamelos: use make-kpkg |
| 08:53.52 | jethro | karamelos: it can use your previous kernel configuration |
| 08:53.54 | jetscreamer | they changedthe default? and btw make menuconfig is better than xconfig or gconfig ithink |
| 08:53.59 | alus | idnar: why not have snapshots of different "stable" states |
| 08:54.15 | jetscreamer | !comfort jethro |
| 08:54.16 | dpkg | There, there, jethro. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:54.24 | shurik | what's going on? How do people install X on Debian |
| 08:54.27 | karamelos | jethro, I am configuring "from scratch". |
| 08:54.33 | jetscreamer | alus, hence 'testing' and 'sid' |
| 08:54.38 | shurik | jetscreamer: why are you suggesting to do random things? |
| 08:54.42 | jethro | karamelos: then check that damn frame buffer option |
| 08:54.46 | idnar | alus: well firstly, I imagine that would be a lot more work for the security teabm |
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| 08:54.59 | jetscreamer | shurik, did it try to download stuff, or tell youit was the latest |
| 08:55.04 | idnar | alus: er, team. and if you're not so worried about security updates, then you could just use sarge, and only upgrade it every now and then |
| 08:55.04 | karamelos | jethro, it is greyd out. |
| 08:55.10 | shurik | what stuffr? |
| 08:55.16 | jethro | shurik: I usually do "apt-get install x-window-system" |
| 08:55.19 | jetscreamer | anything. |
| 08:55.20 | quitte | can i use alien to build a deb from and rpm for a different architecture? |
| 08:55.22 | shurik | yes, I ran apt-get update |
| 08:55.30 | jetscreamer | shurik, how about apt-get install x-window-system |
| 08:55.52 | jetscreamer | [02.52.50] <jetscreamer> |
| 08:55.54 | shurik | jetscreamer: 10 minute ago you were suggesting to install enitrely different package |
| 08:56.01 | shurik | I don't think yhou know what you are talking about |
| 08:56.05 | jetscreamer | shurik, yeah.... ok. |
| 08:56.06 | jethro | lol |
| 08:56.17 | jethro | eat this tabbuddy :) |
| 08:56.21 | jetscreamer | shurik, Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! apt-get install xfs maybe |
| 08:56.34 | jetscreamer | you have no font server |
| 08:56.35 | alus | idnar: security is not my concern at all, I'm concerned about opengl performance, and the ability to compile the gl app I'm working on |
| 08:56.45 | jetscreamer | you can't install xfs |
| 08:56.47 | shurik | x-window-system package is not available and referd by another package |
| 08:56.58 | jetscreamer | oh yeah |
| 08:57.02 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 08:57.02 | jethro | shurik: do you have a working sources.list ? |
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| 08:57.06 | jetscreamer | ubuntu? |
| 08:57.08 | shurik | yes |
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| 08:57.13 | shurik | debian sarge |
| 08:57.15 | jetscreamer | is this ubuntu? |
| 08:57.17 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:57.39 | BadMan | quick questions: while in x windowmaker how do I reduce the resolution? also my mouse moves terribly slow? |
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| 08:57.51 | jetscreamer | if you can't get x-window-system, no you don't have a functional sources.list |
| 08:57.52 | mwilson | shurik: Make up your mind... either it's Ubuntu, or it's Sarge. |
| 08:58.08 | shurik | its debian sarge |
| 08:58.10 | jetscreamer | s/functional/functional debian/ |
| 08:58.12 | bob2 | BadMan: xset will let you change the mouse acceleration and such |
| 08:58.12 | paulswm | !blame Oracle |
| 08:58.17 | shurik | and yes was to , yes I have sources.list working |
| 08:58.21 | bob2 | BadMan: windowmaker might have some tool for it, too |
| 08:58.24 | BadMan | bob2 thanks |
| 08:58.24 | shurik | from which I installed many packages |
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| 08:58.42 | Vanity | !blame stupid things |
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| 08:58.48 | jetscreamer | then you need a new source shurik |
| 08:58.49 | Vanity | weak |
| 08:58.49 | jethro | shurik: x-window-system is just a meta package |
| 08:59.01 | jetscreamer | he can't even apt-get it |
| 08:59.02 | mwilson | shurik: If x-window-system isn't available, then the mirror you're using is more than a little broken. |
| 08:59.19 | jethro | shurik: try apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common xbase-clients |
| 08:59.26 | jetscreamer | it would at least tell you it's the latest version, if you had it and it was working |
| 08:59.35 | jethro | shurik: you could add xfs as well |
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| 08:59.45 | jetscreamer | he did and got an error |
| 08:59.48 | jethro | shurik: if that doesn't work you have an issue with your apt configuration |
| 08:59.52 | jetscreamer | and then he siad i know nothing |
| 08:59.56 | jethro | shurik: or your debian mirror |
| 09:00.44 | jethro | gotta get some croissants |
| 09:01.06 | shurik | why are you suggesting toi install this package? when jethro was suggesting to install xsfree86-commonad xserver-common. which I installed and can run all the scripts etc |
| 09:01.12 | shurik | you are just guessing |
| 09:01.14 | shurik | now |
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| 09:01.22 | shurik | randomly what could fix the problem with stupid X |
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| 09:01.53 | ChrysalisM | shurik: apt-get install xserver-xfree; then type x86config |
| 09:01.54 | shurik | |and sources.list is fine and synchronised |
| 09:02.06 | shurik | with different mirrors |
| 09:02.07 | bob2 | lord |
| 09:02.08 | ChrysalisM | xf86config |
| 09:02.14 | bob2 | always good to throw out random solutions |
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| 09:02.15 | shurik | ChrysalisM: thanks |
| 09:02.16 | jetscreamer | tab buddy |
| 09:02.23 | Russo017 | do u guys think my 6800gt might not be supported by the latest debian sarge install? |
| 09:02.26 | jetscreamer | shurik, nobody here knows anything |
| 09:02.36 | jetscreamer | Russo017, notthe nv driver |
| 09:02.36 | shurik | jetscreamer: speak for yourself |
| 09:02.42 | Russo017 | i cant get my nv driver to see it |
| 09:02.44 | Russo017 | oh |
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| 09:02.54 | Russo017 | so u think i have to get a better driver for it |
| 09:03.00 | paulswm | xf86config? How very non-debian |
| 09:03.02 | Russo017 | newer |
| 09:03.09 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:03.10 | bob2 | it's sunday |
| 09:03.27 | jetscreamer | Russo017, you need the nvidia .deb or .run |
| 09:03.33 | peterS | bob2: cheer up, you've only got sunday for another few hours |
| 09:03.42 | jetscreamer | shurik, cheers dude |
| 09:03.52 | Russo017 | jet help me in the pm plz |
| 09:03.53 | Russo017 | ;) |
| 09:04.08 | paulswm | bob2: I've been here like 6 minutes and it isn't hard to guess what day it is :) |
| 09:04.08 | Vanity | Bah the Rescue Me marathon ended |
| 09:04.12 | jetscreamer | Russo017, #nvidia |
| 09:04.16 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 09:04.20 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:04.27 | Vanity | Bob2 |
| 09:04.28 | ChrysalisM | shurik: apt-get install xbase-clients too |
| 09:04.29 | BadMan | heck its 4am sunday here |
| 09:04.35 | Russo017 | yea |
| 09:04.36 | paulswm | Why xf86config? |
| 09:04.36 | Vanity | you play at dexworld? |
| 09:04.37 | Russo017 | here too |
| 09:04.39 | Russo017 | i need to go to bed |
| 09:04.51 | BadMan | Russo you fighting a nvidia card as well? |
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| 09:05.06 | Russo017 | wut kind u got badman? |
| 09:05.12 | shurik | ChrysalisM: have done so |
| 09:05.14 | Russo017 | 6800GT here... |
| 09:05.16 | BadMan | GeForce MX4000 |
| 09:05.19 | Russo017 | shit |
| 09:05.25 | Russo017 | i was about to pop it in |
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| 09:05.27 | BadMan | ok I got your workaround let me get link |
| 09:05.28 | skip_ | help please somebody...KDE info centre is telling me that the screen is 75 x 75 dpi. Is this dependent on the video card, monitor, or both? |
| 09:05.32 | Russo017 | to see if it worked |
| 09:05.39 | bob2 | skip_: monitor/resolution |
| 09:05.44 | Russo017 | no |
| 09:05.44 | ChrysalisM | xf86config is what is used to configure your XF86Config file |
| 09:05.53 | ChrysalisM | try it |
| 09:05.53 | BadMan | it didnt until i got the ia32 6629 from nvidia |
| 09:06.09 | skip_ | bob2: res is 1024x768, laptop LCD screen. Is it possible to get 100 x 100 dpi? |
| 09:06.13 | paulswm | ChrysalisM: not normally in debian, one uses dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:06.17 | bob2 | skip_: no |
| 09:06.21 | bob2 | skip_: think about it |
| 09:06.45 | skip_ | bob2: I am |
| 09:06.50 | ChrysalisM | paulswm: thats a new thing that probably runs xf86config anyways |
| 09:07.05 | bob2 | skip_: what is dpi a measure of? pixels per physical inch of screen. |
| 09:07.22 | paulswm | ChrysalisM: It's much better & easier than xf86config |
| 09:07.24 | bob2 | skip_: you can't change the physical size. if it's an LCD, you can't change the resolution |
| 09:07.30 | bob2 | well, past a point |
| 09:08.37 | ChrysalisM | paulswm: it apparently wasn't for shurik |
| 09:08.41 | ChrysalisM | didn't work |
| 09:09.03 | skip_ | bob2: I'm trying to eliminate problems that may be causing colour blending (in images) to be poor. Last week everything was nice and smooth, but now it's not. Trying to work out what I've changed... |
| 09:09.23 | bob2 | skip_: if the dpi had changed, you'd have noticed |
| 09:09.34 | paulswm | ChrysalisM: I wonder what shurik is running, what I saw doesn't make a great deal of sense, but I walked in on the middle of it anyway |
| 09:09.39 | skip_ | bob2: thought so...any ideas about my problem? |
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| 09:09.56 | bob2 | skip_: er, look at what you've upgraded in the past week |
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| 09:11.03 | skip_ | bob2: tried to install nvidia drivers manually then gave up. XF86Config-4 is same as original (pre- nvidia attempt). What config files can possible affect colour blending? |
| 09:11.15 | bob2 | none afaik |
| 09:11.30 | skip_ | bob2: colour depth is 24 bit |
| 09:11.52 | bob2 | you'd need to define colour blending problem a bit better |
| 09:12.00 | bob2 | if it just looks crap, I'd assume your bitdepth is crap |
| 09:12.27 | skip_ | bob2: transition between shades of colours is quite distinct and not smooth |
| 09:12.40 | bourne_again | Hey I'm just wondering, was Debian forked from another distro or written from scratch, excluding the kernal, and 3rd party programs etc. |
| 09:12.51 | shurik | ChrysalisM do you know if there easy to follow config utilities to configure X? |
| 09:13.03 | chugga | ugh. its spelt kernel. pleaseeeeeee make a note ;P |
| 09:13.15 | calin | Anyone got a link to something that has any info on how to set up dual screen using a computer running debian that has a radeon 7000e (it has regular monitor out, rca, and svideo)? If you can find me a general area that could most likely hold the information, I can glean my way through it and figure it out myself. |
| 09:13.18 | calin | Whanks ahead of time |
| 09:13.27 | jetscreamer | paulswm, he didn't have a font server or whatever |
| 09:13.56 | jetscreamer | calin, maybe http://xfree.org/current/ |
| 09:13.57 | paulswm | jetscreamer: Ah. hey, good morning :) |
| 09:14.23 | ChrysalisM | shurik: xf86config |
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| 09:15.03 | jetscreamer | colonel |
| 09:15.05 | paulswm | chugga: or Colonel |
| 09:15.08 | paulswm | CRAP |
| 09:15.12 | ChrysalisM | people dont need font servers |
| 09:15.13 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 09:15.19 | paulswm | !prise jetscreamer |
| 09:15.25 | paulswm | Heh |
| 09:15.34 | jetscreamer | Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
| 09:15.46 | jetscreamer | etc etc |
| 09:15.49 | bourne_again | Debian isn't a fork is it? |
| 09:15.57 | jetscreamer | !fork |
| 09:15.58 | dpkg | spoon! |
| 09:15.59 | calin | thank yu jetscreamer |
| 09:16.01 | calin | =] |
| 09:16.01 | jetscreamer | yes! |
| 09:16.05 | bourne_again | I have no idea im just asking |
| 09:16.07 | calin | !spoon |
| 09:16.08 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 09:16.13 | bourne_again | not utensils |
| 09:16.14 | bourne_again | fork |
| 09:16.16 | bourne_again | as in |
| 09:16.16 | bob2 | bourne_again: no |
| 09:16.23 | bourne_again | thank you bob2 lol |
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| 09:16.55 | jetscreamer | !spork |
| 09:16.55 | dpkg | hmm... spork is an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 09:17.15 | ChrysalisM | !stupid bot shit |
| 09:17.21 | calin | !knoork |
| 09:17.25 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 09:17.25 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 09:17.30 | calin | hahaha |
| 09:17.34 | calin | you know what's funy |
| 09:17.39 | calin | funny* |
| 09:17.50 | calin | \people abusing th ebot using the botabuse command |
| 09:18.00 | jetscreamer | you noticed! |
| 09:18.08 | jetscreamer | !calin++ |
| 09:18.11 | nvz | lets just drop it :) its already gotten oout of hand |
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| 09:18.43 | jetscreamer | nvz, he noticed the intentional irony.. he's the first to do so in a year or whatever |
| 09:18.55 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 09:19.03 | calin | _o/ |
| 09:19.06 | nvz | heh |
| 09:19.07 | calin | \o_ |
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| 09:19.16 | nvz | looks like my lol cheer leaders |
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| 09:19.21 | calin | hahahah |
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| 09:19.58 | nvz | II made a whole page of lol dudes, pigs, aliens, super man, cheeerleaders with pop pons which is *lol* of course |
| 09:20.16 | calin | hahaha |
| 09:20.39 | nvz | I wonder if I still have those files anymore |
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| 09:20.49 | Dewi | holycow: be more specific |
| 09:21.21 | ivan | is it possible to run 2 grip windows, each for a different cdrom drive? |
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| 09:23.20 | CyzarX | hello |
| 09:24.15 | sussudio | http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/10985493.htm?1c < kawfee? |
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| 09:25.25 | peterS | sussudio: requires registration. bah. |
| 09:26.01 | sussudio | peterS: it does? |
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| 09:26.15 | peterS | it popped up a register screen for me |
| 09:26.19 | jetscreamer | you love kawfee |
| 09:26.23 | SiliconViper | :S Umm.... how do I recreate /dev/null ? |
| 09:26.32 | sussudio | what's a popup? |
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| 09:26.49 | nextime | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.56 | SiliconViper | Thanks. |
| 09:26.59 | nextime | mknod |
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| 09:27.37 | peterS | sussudio: I didn't mean separate window, I meant that's the page I get at all |
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| 09:27.51 | engelsen | I deleted some config files. How can I force them to be installed again |
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| 09:28.08 | peterS | engelsen: dpkg --purge --force-depends packagename; apt-get install packagename |
| 09:28.16 | jetscreamer | ma ^^ what he said |
| 09:28.18 | wishie | if i wanted to read the first word from each line of a file, and use those words to form a command 'cp word1 word2 word3' how could i do that ? |
| 09:28.29 | jetscreamer | see also --force-confmiss |
| 09:28.42 | nvz | something just doesnt feel right about the way xmms (sarge) moves multiple tracks in a playlist.. |
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| 09:28.52 | chugga | --force --confuse :s |
| 09:28.58 | peterS | wishie: cp $(cut -f1 -d\ filename) |
| 09:29.11 | jetscreamer | sarge is for wussies |
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| 09:29.40 | quitte_ | can someone confirm that debian.dodes.org is not reachable? |
| 09:29.41 | jetscreamer | kidding |
| 09:29.45 | nvz | like if I hilight 10 tracks and click one of the 10 to move it, it just moves that one and unhiligts the others, and if I hold a modifier it moves them all, but unhilights them.. seems like I should be able to just grab a whole group of songs effortlessly and move em. |
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| 09:29.55 | wishie | peterS: huh ? |
| 09:30.00 | peterS | quitte_: I'm getting nothing back |
| 09:30.01 | nvz | I might boot my vm tomorrow and see how winamp behaves in the same circumstance |
| 09:30.06 | jetscreamer | wishie, he told you what you wanted to know |
| 09:30.10 | quitte_ | peterS shit. thanks. |
| 09:30.17 | SiliconViper | nvz, hold shift, while dragging. |
| 09:30.35 | buu | Anyone happen to know why mail foo@ip; is giving me unroutable address? The ip is valid, I can ping it, ssh to it, etc. |
| 09:30.36 | wishie | ahh, i got it. |
| 09:30.46 | wishie | now i just need to append .zip to each of those.. |
| 09:30.47 | wishie | thanks |
| 09:30.56 | buu | wishie: This is where you right perl... |
| 09:31.02 | buu | s/right/write/ |
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| 09:31.12 | jetscreamer | perl is cool |
| 09:31.14 | nvz | SiliconViper: yeah it works holding a modifier like CTRL or SHIFT but it still does the normal mod+click function when doing that e.i. hilights or unhilights multiple files.. doesnt feel right the way it does it |
| 09:31.16 | jetscreamer | i like perl |
| 09:31.27 | mr_e1 | i have an old p75 laptop running w98se that i am trying to get to share that connection with my main box running debian--anyone know what to do from the mainbox side to get it to share network resources--specifically the internet conn? |
| 09:31.33 | wishie | i dont know perl, thats all |
| 09:31.35 | SiliconViper | nvz, it works for me. |
| 09:31.42 | ZyX | where do i find the possible return codes for the program 'whois' ? (cant find anything in manp) |
| 09:31.44 | jetscreamer | wishie, me neither, but it's cool |
| 09:32.04 | Quarupt | how can i play WMV ? |
| 09:32.09 | SiliconViper | nvz, select all the files you want, then let go of all keys. Then hold shift, click on the files, and drag them. |
| 09:32.12 | wishie | peterS: how can i see the command that it builds ? can i output it to a file ? |
| 09:32.20 | jetscreamer | Quarupt, aviplay i think, is one |
| 09:32.22 | karamelos | Quarupt, with mplayer |
| 09:32.24 | SiliconViper | Quarupt, you need win32 codecs. |
| 09:32.27 | Quarupt | mpl;ayer ya |
| 09:32.29 | SiliconViper | mplayer does it nicely. |
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| 09:32.39 | peterS | wishie: use 'echo cp' in place of 'cp' |
| 09:32.43 | jetscreamer | marillat |
| 09:32.55 | jetscreamer | !tell Quarupt about marillat |
| 09:32.59 | nvz | SiliconViper: for the 3rd time now, it works for me too holding a modifier.. its about the fact that I have to hold the modifier to do it, and that the modifier still modifies my selection.. afaicr most players or playlist programs you can just drag a group of selections and still have that group selected, you dont have to modify your selection to move the selection |
| 09:33.18 | SiliconViper | nvz, I see. Miscommunication. |
| 09:33.34 | SiliconViper | If you don't like the way xmms does it, don't use xmms. Or better yet, patch it. |
| 09:33.51 | SiliconViper | Make it work the way you want, and share the patch. |
| 09:33.57 | SiliconViper | You've got the source ^_~ |
| 09:34.18 | toresbe | morning, friends |
| 09:34.40 | ZyX | or: can anyone recommend me a good alternative to the whois tool? |
| 09:34.50 | nvz | I normally use mpg321 and for a frontend to make playlists I use cplay, which is python/ncurses but since I am on a 1.8ghz with 512MB RAMBUS and using a lot of other graphical stuff I and sitting close enough to reach my mouse, I figured I would use it |
| 09:34.53 | wishie | now, if i wanted to add a dir name infront of each of those things ? |
| 09:35.01 | holycow | heh, whats the name of the gui install dealy for debian? |
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| 09:35.09 | wishie | so its cp /some/dir/word1 /some/dir/word2 etc |
| 09:35.18 | holycow | hahaha i completely forgot the name of it, been using cli way too long |
| 09:35.30 | jetscreamer | the what |
| 09:35.40 | mr_e1 | hiya toresbe |
| 09:35.48 | nvz | holycow: apt-get install synaptic && dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 09:35.49 | holycow | sorry, gui front end for apt |
| 09:35.52 | jetscreamer | and it's spelled dealie not dealy |
| 09:35.58 | holycow | ah synaptic! |
| 09:36.02 | holycow | thx nvz |
| 09:36.03 | holycow | heh |
| 09:36.11 | jetscreamer | see also dualie |
| 09:36.34 | nvz | holycow: you reconfigure debconf to use GTK, so when synaptic configures, the scripts will have gtk dialogs.. if you use apt-get or something, it will fall back on dialog if it cannot use GTK |
| 09:36.41 | holycow | lol jetscreamer :) |
| 09:36.42 | wishie | peterS: could you help me with this please :) you seem to know a bit |
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| 09:36.59 | holycow | nvz, ah! cool :) |
| 09:37.15 | peterS | wishie: cp $(awk '{print "/some/dir/" $1}' some_filename) |
| 09:37.39 | wishie | so i need to put that into the cut command example before, somehow.. |
| 09:37.40 | peterS | wishie: or, awk '{print "/some/dir/" $1}' some_filename | xargs cp |
| 09:38.02 | peterS | wishie: I'm using awk now *instead* of cut, because it's more powerful and you need this prefix thing |
| 09:38.09 | wishie | basically, i need to read the first field of each line from a text file, but a dir name infront of it, and copy it.. |
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| 09:38.15 | wishie | ahh ok |
| 09:38.19 | wishie | ill try it.. |
| 09:38.37 | peterS | wishie: the problem is line lengths. if your dir prefix is long, you could end up with a really long command line |
| 09:38.48 | holycow | nvz, v cool i didn't realize you could set that, nice |
| 09:38.51 | peterS | wishie: which is why it's probably better to 'cd' into that dir and then just copy the files without a dir prefix, into some other place |
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| 09:39.34 | mr_e1 | no one knows how to get debian to connect via ehternet w/ a windows laptop for purposes of internet connection sharing? |
| 09:39.35 | wishie | peterS: its for an scp line, from a mates pc |
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| 09:39.42 | buu | perl -nle'system("cp /directory/$_ $.zip")' file #or something |
| 09:39.46 | nvz | holycow: yeah a lot of people I tell that to ignorantly wont do it because they dont realize its smart enough to know when it cannot access the display and falls back on dialog, and hey guess what, if for whatever reason dialog wont work, it knows to fall back on readline |
| 09:39.46 | wishie | updating rom sets for mame, basically. |
| 09:39.59 | wishie | now i just need to append .zip to each of those..heh |
| 09:40.07 | quitte | mr_e1 try the ipmasq package |
| 09:40.15 | holycow | nvz, heh, sweet |
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| 09:42.29 | jetscreamer | !info secpanel |
| 09:42.37 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 09:42.52 | holycow | nvz, command line is usually faster than synaptic, but apt-get cli doesn't have sections |
| 09:42.53 | holycow | heh |
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| 09:43.05 | jetscreamer | holycow, aptitude and dselect |
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| 09:43.35 | nvz | holycow: yeah I love synaptic for numerous reasons, the only think bothering me about it right now is the toolbar problem.. I looked around and cant even track down whats responsible for it |
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| 09:43.47 | jetscreamer | nvz it got fixed in sid |
| 09:44.29 | jetscreamer | so it should be in the changelog |
| 09:44.32 | holycow | a wee bit crashy |
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| 09:44.53 | jetscreamer | rooooted has landed |
| 09:45.01 | nvz | holycow: the things I like is I can set it up with sudo/gnome-sudo and it is capable like you say of catalog my packages well in sections, status, search//etc and it can also edit my sources list, things like that, so I dont need a separate command, or to gain root perms a second time if I want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:45.23 | hcy | where do the pango devs hang out? |
| 09:45.32 | peterS | hcy: probably on gimpnet, irc.gimp.org |
| 09:45.42 | peterS | hcy: aka irc.gnome.org |
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| 09:45.55 | holycow | nvz, *hmmm* |
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| 09:46.22 | holycow | never thought of it that way, neat |
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| 09:46.28 | hcy | peterS: i checked, no #pango channel there |
| 09:46.47 | peterS | hcy: I don't know why you think people in #debian would know the answer to this, though |
| 09:46.56 | peterS | hcy: as opposed to, say, people in #gtk on gimpnet |
| 09:46.59 | inc|freaky | i luv debian :D |
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| 09:47.12 | hcy | peterS: because you know _everything_! <grin> |
| 09:47.23 | mr_e1 | anybody awake in here? |
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| 09:47.53 | bob2 | Madkiss: er, sirdibios is walthers, you know :-) |
| 09:48.20 | nvz | holycow: would be nice if the features of packagesearch would be merged into synaptic, because it takes up about as much ram to run, looks like shit, and does things synaptic doesnt, but doesnt do much of anything synaptic can.. so it would benefit both projects for them to just merge and stop wasting time :P |
| 09:48.48 | holycow | nvz haha, that would really piss off the traditionalists around here tho |
| 09:48.59 | holycow | we'd have like a fucking mutiny or something |
| 09:49.00 | holycow | :) |
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| 09:49.20 | holycow | and speaking of which |
| 09:49.22 | holycow | *tadaa* |
| 09:49.24 | holycow | here we go |
| 09:49.27 | holycow | >_> |
| 09:49.28 | nvz | holycow: packagesearch is an attempt to make a Debian Package Search tool that works as a frontend to apt-cache, debtags, apt-file, and such |
| 09:49.32 | Madkiss | bob2: Sure, that's the fun in it! |
| 09:49.33 | gberardi | Has anyone updated to the latest Firefox in Woody? What happened to the support to use dict on the address bar? |
| 09:49.39 | bob2 | Madkiss: bwahahaha |
| 09:49.43 | bob2 | Madkiss: you're my hero! |
| 09:49.49 | peterS | Madkiss: you're a little bit evil |
| 09:49.56 | peterS | Madkiss: I think the abyss also looked into you |
| 09:50.03 | bob2 | hahahaha |
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| 09:50.43 | peterS | he who fights trolls should beware lest he become a troll |
| 09:51.32 | inc|freaky | i really love debian :D it just rules :D |
| 09:52.09 | holycow | !prize inc|freaky |
| 09:52.14 | holycow | :) |
| 09:52.39 | paulswm | inc|freaky: I wonder how many times you've said that now :) It's great to read, though :) |
| 09:53.42 | wishie | bugger |
| 09:54.02 | wishie | although im only running one command scp wants me to enter my password for every file its copying.. |
| 09:54.13 | bLAStY | use private keys |
| 09:54.14 | wishie | is there a way to stop this ? i thought the -B (batchmode) would do this ? |
| 09:54.25 | wishie | how can i create a key ? |
| 09:54.37 | inc|freaky | yay, i got another beer :D |
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| 09:55.17 | ArtVandalae | There was something about Mplayer, and correct licensing, and removing DeCSS in this weeks DWN. Does this mean we'll begin to Mplayer in the official Debian system? |
| 09:55.29 | paulswm | !prize inc|freaky |
| 09:55.30 | jethro | wishie: man ssh-keygen |
| 09:55.34 | paulswm | Heh |
| 09:55.49 | paulswm | Not very random |
| 09:55.55 | nevyn | ArtVandalae: why it's pointless. |
| 09:56.04 | ArtVandalae | nevyn, what's pointless? |
| 09:56.11 | inc|freaky | can anyone help me changing the language of my consoles? (alt+f etc.)? because i tried reconfiguring locales but it doesnt work :( it cant display äöü since i changed the vga= resolution in grub of the consoles. now i want to at least use english so the output of apt doesnt look that ugly |
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| 09:56.28 | Nei | I |
| 09:56.48 | nevyn | to even qualify for non-free these things are crippled . |
| 09:56.52 | Nei | 'm on my first steps to try installing debian, but it nicely fails with "cannot open root device" |
| 09:56.55 | nvz | afaict the only thing good at mplayer is their codecs pack which would never be in debian |
| 09:56.56 | nevyn | and it's not debians fault it's patents etc |
| 09:57.07 | Nei | I'm trying to install sarge with netinst |
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| 09:57.21 | Nei | google points to a problem in kernel config but I'm not even configuring my kernel |
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| 09:57.34 | ArtVandalae | I always thought of Mplayer as a great media player. What do you guys use as a substitute? |
| 09:57.39 | ArtVandalae | Xine? |
| 09:57.41 | nevyn | nvz: that and it's optimised filters |
| 09:57.59 | Nei | if anyone has an idea for a screwed newb |
| 09:58.07 | nevyn | ArtVandalae: I use mplayer. but even marillats packages have gone to crap imo |
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| 09:58.43 | zinx | nevyn: hard to spin a spool of silk from a pile of shit :) |
| 09:58.56 | ArtVandalae | :) |
| 09:59.01 | nevyn | ArtVandalae: I'm going to have to build it myself again. I have two athlons in the house and I had to turn off vopp and stuff because marilat doesn't actually build k7 anymore |
| 09:59.03 | wishie | so, how can i go about making Private Keys so scp wont ask me for a password for every file im copying.. |
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| 09:59.14 | nvz | ArtVandalae: Xine, Totem, Vlw, ffmpeg, noatun, oogle, helixplayer, smpeg, xmovie, kaffine |
| 09:59.19 | nvz | etc.. etc.. |
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| 10:01.17 | nvz | I havent used mplayer in about a year, but its the first and only player I fully understand, if I had a movie that was screwed up in anyway, I would want mplayer, because I know what options to use to make it right |
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| 10:01.49 | nvz | I've been using gxine, with the w32codecs package from marillat |
| 10:01.57 | nevyn | nvz: how about it lets me play divx on my 500mhz system |
| 10:02.06 | paulswm | Nei: Are you doing a sarge netinstall? |
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| 10:02.11 | nevyn | with enhancing filters. |
| 10:02.12 | Nei | paulswm, yea |
| 10:02.46 | Symbiote | can someone help a newbie with video settings? |
| 10:02.48 | Nei | the base install is through, but when it tries to boot the new system, the kernel spits out only that vfs panic |
| 10:03.45 | inc|freaky | whats the best video player for kde? |
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| 10:04.03 | inc|freaky | is there any package for xine/mplayer or do i have to compile them cuz i cant find any |
| 10:05.33 | Arvind-NL | inc|freaky, fortended? kplayer is nice, it's based on MPlayer. |
| 10:05.45 | paulswm | Nei: It looks like the kernel's trying to use the wrong partition for root, or root is an unknown filesystem. How did you aprtition your drive when you installed |
| 10:05.48 | Arvind-NL | s/fortended/frontended |
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| 10:07.01 | Symbiote | i have a fresh installed ubuntu but when i try to run games on it they lag like hell. when i change game settings to 565 colors its ok. what could be the problem? i tried to install fresh nvidia players but there arent any for ubuntu |
| 10:07.09 | Nei | paulswm, I installed it on /dev/hda3 |
| 10:07.18 | bob2 | Symbiote: #ubuntu |
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| 10:07.26 | Arvind-NL | Symbiote, #ubuntu |
| 10:07.30 | Symbiote | k |
| 10:07.40 | inc|freaky | Arvind-NL: yea, but i got no mplayer packages |
| 10:07.41 | Nei | paulswm, my kernel line is kernel (hd0,2)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 - as this starts the kernel, I believe it should be correct partition |
| 10:07.52 | inc|freaky | in the sources |
| 10:07.52 | Arvind-NL | inc|freaky, apt will take care of that for you. |
| 10:08.13 | inc|freaky | Arvind-NL: i dont have any mplayer packages in sarge |
| 10:08.20 | inc|freaky | and im using main contrib non-free |
| 10:08.29 | jethro | !tell inc|freaky -about marillat |
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| 10:08.38 | paulswm | Nei: Yes, it looks right |
| 10:08.41 | engelsen | I tried to configure exim4 but whatever adress I try to send to I get : remote host address is the local host |
| 10:08.51 | Arvind-NL | dpkg tell inc|freaky about mplayer |
| 10:08.51 | inc|freaky | thx :D |
| 10:08.59 | michal_ | what sort of a password is "$1$gRAjea0n$aMnpCHB7S/NJ1wAdfFX4h." ?? that's the format of the shadow file I have |
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| 10:09.16 | jethro | michal_: md5 |
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| 10:09.50 | michal_ | jeth: thanks |
| 10:10.27 | michal_ | hmm.. wish there was an easy way for adding new users with an old md5 password |
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| 10:11.23 | RolandU | hi all! Little sound problem here: kaboodle, totem work fine, however more complex progs like beep media player or xmms crash immediately as I push the play button. What could be the problem? I get no error messages.... |
| 10:11.42 | inc|freaky | jethro: i cant add that repository - it says USER failed, server said: Sorry, only two connections per IP address are allowed - but im only using apt-get update |
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| 10:11.55 | jethro | inc|freaky: blame marillat |
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| 10:12.13 | inc|freaky | :( |
| 10:12.16 | inc|freaky | ill just compile it myself :D |
| 10:12.23 | paulswm | Nei: Do you have a liveCD of some sort or a grub boot floppy, if it were me, I'd want to see if the partition was OK and that grub was mapping the drive correctly (in /boot/grub/device.map, hd0 to /dev/hda), I've not experienced this and looks like no one else is answering |
| 10:12.27 | Kvant | RolandU, try set xmms to use the arts plugin |
| 10:12.36 | jethro | inc|freaky: that the best way :) |
| 10:12.41 | inc|freaky | (: |
| 10:12.54 | Nei | paulswm, unfortunately -.- |
| 10:13.05 | Nei | paulswm, thank you for trying to help |
| 10:13.19 | Nei | what I did is, boot with the installer until hdd partition stage |
| 10:13.22 | RolandU | Kvant, what kind of plugin is it? |
| 10:13.29 | Kvant | RolandU, output |
| 10:13.39 | Nei | and then opened a shell; I can mount my root partition fine |
| 10:13.41 | paulswm | Nei: yw, the other answer is of course to carefully redo the install |
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| 10:14.06 | Nei | paulswm, I did do so four times now, with both 2.4 and 2.6 kernel, I must be especially stupid |
| 10:14.16 | jethro | heh |
| 10:14.25 | Nei | can't see where I possibly screwed up, as there really aren't all to many questions to answer |
| 10:14.27 | zyme | anybody know how i can tell if i am connected through a proxy? |
| 10:14.35 | Nei | basically I only selected my installation target |
| 10:14.39 | michal_ | can bash do addition? |
| 10:14.50 | paulswm | Nei: No, but something isn't right, when you do it again take a careful look at the psrtitioning section |
| 10:14.59 | jethro | zyme: you mean figure out if you're transparently proxied? |
| 10:15.07 | zyme | yeah jethro :) |
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| 10:15.41 | Nei | paulswm, any further clue what I should look out for there? my partition is like /dev/hda1 othersystem, /dev/hda2 swap, /dev/hda3 root |
| 10:15.57 | paulswm | Nei: You don't have any weird disk hardware, right? Just a normal IDE HD? |
| 10:16.10 | jethro | zyme: look for website which show the IP you're connecting with |
| 10:16.10 | Nei | paulswm, not even sata |
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| 10:16.24 | jethro | zyme: if you mean http transparent proxying |
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| 10:16.26 | inc|freaky | Arvind-NL: do i have to install a mplayer skin if i install kplayer ? |
| 10:16.33 | zyme | i think i do |
| 10:16.44 | zyme | the reason i ask is because i cant connect to any local ip addresses |
| 10:16.54 | zyme | but i can connect to everything else |
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| 10:17.19 | jethro | zyme: who wouold be proxying you? |
| 10:17.30 | zyme | my school |
| 10:17.40 | zyme | i am at college connecting through a dorm |
| 10:17.45 | RolandU | Kvant, great, it works now, but why? |
| 10:17.59 | Nei | paulswm, your very average ide seagate |
| 10:18.03 | paulswm | Nei: So you chose to do your own partitioning, rhather than the default? IIRC the default (for the Linux partitions) is swap, / and lhome |
| 10:18.03 | jethro | zyme: are these local adresses you were refering to in the same lan as you ? |
| 10:18.07 | Kvant | RolandU, presumably because it was set to oss, and you don't have oss |
| 10:18.08 | zyme | yeah |
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| 10:18.20 | paulswm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:18.43 | Arvind-NL | inc|freaky, I just tried to apt-get update, and it went fine. |
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| 10:18.50 | Arvind-NL | inc|freaky, what line are you using? |
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| 10:19.13 | Nei | paulswm, you have three choices, "beginner" lays it out like that |
| 10:19.14 | Kvant | RolandU, ie, that was why it didn't work... |
| 10:19.16 | michal_ | argh.. how can i evaluate the value of 10000 + $var with bash? I can't get it to work |
| 10:19.27 | Nei | probably one of the other partition schemes does what you have in mind |
| 10:19.43 | RolandU | Kvant, ah, I always thought I was using oss, seems that changed when I switched to sarge. Thanks alot. |
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| 10:20.00 | michal_ | uid=2 echo $[10000+$uid] fails |
| 10:20.28 | Arvind-NL | inc|freaky, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 10:20.55 | Steven_ | michal_ : try echo $((10000 + uid)) |
| 10:21.30 | michal_ | no that doesn't work either.. gives me 10000 when uid=2 |
| 10:21.36 | Steven_ | hmm doesn't work ;) |
| 10:21.42 | paulswm | Nei: I would be willing to bet that the partitioning is the problem, it is IIRC comprehensive but kind of clunky to use. What I would do is to make a grub floppy and boot the floppy into the grub shell and see if I could manually boot, is that an option |
| 10:22.05 | michal_ | maybe bash doesn't support nested evaluation? |
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| 10:22.18 | paulswm | Nei: The other alternative: let the installer do the default partitioning to see if that works, then you've narrowed the issue down |
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| 10:22.32 | Steven_ | michal_ : it works when you export uid |
| 10:22.37 | Goshawk | is there a log file where i can read init messages? |
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| 10:22.50 | Steven_ | Goshawk : /var/log/dmesg |
| 10:22.51 | Steven_ | ? |
| 10:23.09 | Steven_ | you probably mean init, the process |
| 10:23.15 | michal_ | who would it work in export and not if you specify it on the same line? |
| 10:23.17 | Goshawk | Steven_, yep |
| 10:23.31 | Goshawk | dmesg let me know the kernel stuff |
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| 10:23.49 | Goshawk | i need the init output (rcx scripts output) |
| 10:23.53 | Nei | paulswm, I have grub, I have another running system, I have no fd/cdrom |
| 10:24.00 | michal_ | anyone have any idea? :/ seems weird |
| 10:24.17 | michal_ | ha! adding a ; fixes it |
| 10:24.19 | Nei | paulswm, how would I go about doing what you suggested |
| 10:24.24 | suzzi | howdy all, is there any issues that any one could see to me haveing / and /boot as reiserFS? |
| 10:24.30 | Goshawk | Steven_, i tried with a simple program that read from tty1 at boot time, but the result is an unboatable machine |
| 10:24.32 | michal_ | uid=2 ;echo $((10000 + $uid)) works |
| 10:24.41 | veleno | when i launch kaudiocreator as normal user, an error says that my user has not access to read /dev/hdc. but ls -l reports "brw-rw-rw- 1 root disk 22, 0 2002-03-14 22:51 /dev/hdc" and my user is member of the disk group.. |
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| 10:24.59 | inc|freaky | Arvind-NL: im using the same i think: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 10:25.03 | hcy | anybody know if there's a mozilla with pango support available for apt-getting? |
| 10:25.15 | michal_ | the OPPOSITE is true if you do uid=2 printenv uid though.. it won't work with the ; |
| 10:25.17 | Steven_ | Goshawk : the man page says /var/run/utmp and /var/run/wtmp |
| 10:25.37 | Steven_ | Goshawk : but I'm just reading the manpage myself :) |
| 10:25.39 | inc|freaky | now it worked |
| 10:25.50 | Goshawk | ok.. gonna read it.. thanks |
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| 10:26.25 | inc|freaky | i got a amd athlon 64 3500+ processor ... should i choose the K6 mplayer package? |
| 10:26.29 | inc|freaky | (no k7) |
| 10:26.33 | inc|freaky | im using the k7 kernel |
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| 10:26.46 | inc|freaky | i dont know what that k6 means |
| 10:26.58 | Zeit|idle | anyone compiled Promise Fasttrack-drivers with 2.6.x? |
| 10:27.17 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 10:27.17 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 10:28.07 | hcy | so how about mozilla with pango? apparantly latest mozilla can be compiled with --enable-pango... i use the apt-get mozilla, though, don't compile it myself. |
| 10:28.11 | Belping-- | is there a disk partitioning program included in debian, like fdisk? |
| 10:28.18 | Arvind-NL | inc|freaky, no. the k7 is a dummy package,use the k6. |
| 10:28.21 | hcy | cfdisk? |
| 10:28.22 | SiliconViper | Belping--, yep! |
| 10:28.26 | SiliconViper | cfdisk is great! |
| 10:28.34 | SiliconViper | If you want a GUI, qtparted is nice. |
| 10:28.34 | Belping-- | ok thanks siliconviper! |
| 10:28.41 | SiliconViper | hcy said it first. |
| 10:28.50 | SiliconViper | I prefer gparted to qtparted, personally. |
| 10:28.50 | Belping-- | i don't need a GUI, i've got a textbased only install |
| 10:28.53 | Belping-- | thanks hcy then :) |
| 10:28.59 | hcy | :) |
| 10:29.03 | SiliconViper | :D |
| 10:29.21 | Belping-- | but one more question, i'm a newbie, and i have two HD, do i need to set one as primary and one as logical then? |
| 10:29.24 | hcy | can anybody here help me get pango support for my mozilla browser? |
| 10:29.27 | Belping-- | cause i can't find the second one |
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| 10:29.41 | SiliconViper | Belping--, which one? |
| 10:29.56 | SiliconViper | Nah, each disk is seperate. |
| 10:30.01 | Belping-- | well i have one hda on which i installed linux |
| 10:30.06 | SiliconViper | /dev/hda, and /dev/hdb, most liekly. |
| 10:30.09 | valdyn | michal_: uid=2; echo $[10000+$uid] |
| 10:30.19 | SiliconViper | Might be hdc, or hdd |
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| 10:30.28 | SiliconViper | Unless it's SATA, then have fun... |
| 10:30.44 | Belping-- | no it's not sata :) |
| 10:30.52 | Belping-- | but i see all kinds of directories in dev |
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| 10:30.57 | Belping-- | from hda to hdf |
| 10:31.16 | Quarupt | what a good source for latest unstables? |
| 10:31.19 | Belping-- | hda1 tot hda20 and so on |
| 10:31.26 | Belping-- | is that normal? |
| 10:31.48 | valdyn | Belping--: sure |
| 10:32.04 | Belping-- | oh ok, i thought the first hd would mount into hda |
| 10:32.08 | Belping-- | and the second in hdb |
| 10:32.10 | Belping-- | and so on |
| 10:32.23 | valdyn | Belping--: thats still true aswell |
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| 10:32.52 | Belping-- | but i only have two hdisks, then why are there dirs up to hdf? |
| 10:32.57 | Quarupt | i added deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main to my sources and it allways takes forever to login, anyone have same prob? |
| 10:33.12 | valdyn | Belping--: because you are using a static /dev |
| 10:33.38 | valdyn | Belping--: the contents of /dev are not directly related to which devices you are really having |
| 10:33.42 | Belping-- | valdyn: ok as long as you say it's normal, i'm fine with it :-D |
| 10:33.43 | inc|freaky | Arvind-NL: awkay, it worked :D thx :)) |
| 10:34.05 | SiliconViper | Belping--, if you use udev, that would be not normal to see, but with devfs, it's completely normal. |
| 10:34.34 | Belping-- | SiliconViper: ok thanks! |
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| 10:34.58 | SiliconViper | Belping--, always glad to offer what I can. |
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| 10:36.20 | Quarupt | ? |
| 10:36.25 | Belping-- | SiliconViper: if i wanted to make a folder on the second disk, then how should i do that? |
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| 10:37.31 | Quarupt | Why wont it connect deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 10:37.46 | SiliconViper | Because it doesn't like you? |
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| 10:37.50 | SiliconViper | No idea. |
| 10:37.52 | Quarupt | well it does connect after like 45 minutes |
| 10:37.54 | SiliconViper | I don't run that server. |
| 10:38.01 | SiliconViper | Then it does connect. |
| 10:38.12 | SiliconViper | Nobody said it was fast. |
| 10:38.25 | SiliconViper | Belping--, you'd need to mount the disk, then use 'mkdir' to make a directory. |
| 10:38.35 | inc|freaky | can anyone help me getting my logitech quickcam to work? |
| 10:38.42 | Belping-- | SiliconViper: ok thanks once again |
| 10:38.50 | SiliconViper | Belping--, any time. |
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| 10:39.00 | paulswm | Nei: Sorry, was afk, I'm doing on-call stuff, your situation is beyond me I'm afraid except I'm wondering you you are doing a sarge cdrom netinstall with no cdrom |
| 10:39.10 | inc|freaky | Quarupt: whats the error message? |
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| 10:41.53 | luctor | I have a epson82C printer what packages do I need ? |
| 10:42.39 | Arvind-NL | dpkg, tell luctor about printer |
| 10:42.45 | Arvind-NL | dpkg, tell luctor about cups |
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| 10:43.56 | inc|freaky | y do ppl keep telling me, kde3.3.2 is in sid when i use sarge and sarge got 3.3.2 no wonder im always getting confused by those 3.2 and 3.3.2 version numbers |
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| 10:44.37 | SiliconViper | Any suggestions for how I can make it more entertaining? |
| 10:44.56 | mairu-afk | Ubuntu rocks :) |
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| 10:45.22 | SiliconViper | mairu-afk, I'm liking some things I see. |
| 10:45.30 | SiliconViper | That's why I'm doing a hybrid. |
| 10:45.42 | mairu-afk | :) |
| 10:45.46 | SiliconViper | :) |
| 10:46.17 | SiliconViper | 10 minutes until the packages are done downloading. |
| 10:46.38 | luctor | Arvind-NL: cups and cupsys would be the same thin |
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| 10:48.20 | hcy | please i need mozilla with pango support |
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| 10:48.43 | Arvind-NL | luctor, yes in this case it is |
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| 10:49.42 | wishie | what program would i use to delete the first 3 lines from a file |
| 10:49.54 | wishie | open file, delete first 3 lines, save and close the file. |
| 10:50.00 | Arvind-NL | hcy, heh. pango? isn't defoma enough? |
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| 10:50.18 | bob2 | pango and defoma do very different things |
| 10:50.26 | ArtVandalaeII | wishie, vim |
| 10:50.34 | wishie | no no, i mean something i can script |
| 10:50.37 | Belping-- | SiliconViper: one more question: i tried to do mount -t linux /dev/hdb /home/user/harddisk2 but it says the linux filesystem is not supported. |
| 10:50.54 | SiliconViper | It isn't. |
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| 10:51.04 | hcy | Arvind-NL: for complex hebrew websites |
| 10:51.05 | Belping-- | should i change the filesystem of the HD then? |
| 10:51.08 | SiliconViper | Because it doesn't exist. |
| 10:51.08 | SiliconViper | ;p |
| 10:51.13 | paulswm | wishie: you would use an editor, probablt the easist for you to use, as you are new, is nano |
| 10:51.17 | Arvind-NL | ah. |
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| 10:51.45 | paulswm | wishie: Oh, a script |
| 10:51.45 | Vincenz0 | hi |
| 10:51.45 | Belping-- | oh ic, but when i use cfdisk /dev/hdb it says filesystem linux |
| 10:51.45 | Belping-- | so is that ext2 then? |
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| 10:52.26 | paulswm | wishie: you could use sed |
| 10:52.33 | Vincenz0 | i'm trying to install sarge with the new installer. i'm parttioning the hh.dd right now, but i'm not sure about mount options |
| 10:52.44 | bob2 | then leave them alone |
| 10:52.55 | paulswm | !prize bob2 |
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| 10:53.11 | Craigo | hello all, got a strange apache problem.. it seems to die every week.... |
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| 10:53.30 | bob2 | are you using mod_php? |
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| 10:54.13 | Vincenz0 | can anybody help me with this simple question ? |
| 10:54.21 | wishie | how can i do that with sed ? |
| 10:54.29 | bob2 | Vincenz0: 20:52:45 bob2 | then leave them alone |
| 10:54.58 | Craigo | bob2: php4 |
| 10:55.03 | Vincenz0 | [bob2] "defaults" is ok ? |
| 10:55.08 | Craigo | the error log is a bit odd |
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| 10:55.18 | Craigo | [Sun Feb 27 09:54:34 2005] [notice] child pid 16572 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 10:55.22 | bob2 | haha |
| 10:55.26 | bob2 | 10:1 it's php |
| 10:55.29 | Craigo | and it is like that every 4 minutes etc |
| 10:55.30 | Craigo | ah |
| 10:55.38 | bob2 | are you using php4-imap? |
| 10:55.44 | bob2 | that one loves to segfault apache for me |
| 10:55.50 | Craigo | bob2: heh.. I'm still half awake and someone just texted me at this frickin' hour to fix the box |
| 10:55.54 | Craigo | ah |
| 10:56.03 | Craigo | I did check google out on that and wasn't too sure that was the problem |
| 10:56.05 | bob2 | hah, suck |
| 10:56.26 | bob2 | I am pretty biased against php, but it does seem to cause a fair number of random-apache-segfaults |
| 10:56.31 | Craigo | it does |
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| 10:56.59 | michal_ | i'm trying to thing of a way to add a field to a text file and i'm having a LOT of trouble imagining all the steps necessary |
| 10:57.00 | Craigo | ah |
| 10:58.00 | michal_ | i have a file with name:md5sum and a file which I can get a "port" number for using the name.. i want to create a file with the format name:port:md5sum .. i can figure out how to do little steps but not how to merge it into 1 file |
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| 10:58.06 | Craigo | bob2: i think you are looking right here.. php4-imap is installed... |
| 10:58.23 | bob2 | heh |
| 10:58.32 | bob2 | it made my apache segfault over and over until I remove it |
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| 10:59.13 | wishie | basically i want to delete blank lines in a file (which happens to be the first 2) and lines with only ---- on them |
| 10:59.14 | michal_ | is there any way to store output in bash for later processing in the same command ? |
| 10:59.19 | wishie | how can sed be used to do this ? |
| 10:59.26 | Craigo | OH ffs |
| 10:59.30 | wishie | wait, i got it |
| 10:59.31 | Craigo | apache won't work now ;) |
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| 10:59.32 | wishie | thanks anyway |
| 11:00.06 | Craigo | now it works |
| 11:00.06 | michal_ | say i want to store the pairs returned by awk -F : '{ print $1":"$2 }' file for use a few pipes later.. is it possible? |
| 11:00.08 | Quarupt | how do i enable 3d support for a ATI all in wonder 9600 pro? |
| 11:00.24 | fabietto | Hi at all. I've got a problem with my wireless adapter... yesterday I compiled a new kernel (2.6.10) and now, when i insert my wireless card into the PC card slot, lspci doesn't show me the card... any suggest? |
| 11:00.37 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, fglrx, I guess. |
| 11:00.45 | *** part/#debian trand (~trand@trand.user) |
| 11:00.50 | Quarupt | is that a package name? |
| 11:01.07 | Arvind-NL | dpkg tell Quarupt about fglrx |
| 11:01.31 | Arvind-NL | dpkg tell Quarupt about ati drivers |
| 11:01.36 | Quarupt | that was useless |
| 11:01.43 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, look again. |
| 11:01.46 | Quarupt | im using the latest ati driver |
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| 11:01.49 | michal_ | are there any commands that let you merge files? "merge" doesn't seem suitable |
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| 11:02.35 | Quarupt | you have to do all that just for d3d support? |
| 11:02.41 | BR_ | michal_: cat a b > c not do your job? |
| 11:02.49 | michal_ | no |
| 11:02.53 | michal_ | i need to insert a column |
| 11:02.59 | Craigo | bob2: well well well.. I just found out that squirrelmail is screwing up apache |
| 11:03.15 | michal_ | hmm... maybe join |
| 11:03.16 | BR_ | michal_? go on... |
| 11:03.27 | bob2 | Craigo: hah |
| 11:03.33 | bob2 | Craigo: the exact problem I had |
| 11:03.35 | Quarupt | where do i get a giftd client |
| 11:03.40 | Craigo | bob2: no fix? |
| 11:03.58 | bob2 | Craigo: I upgraded the (sarge) machine to current and it started working |
| 11:04.12 | valdyn | Quarupt: apt-cache seach gift |
| 11:04.13 | Craigo | hmmm |
| 11:04.22 | ArtVandalaeII | I have a friend on dial-up, who I've recently installed Debian for. The system on which Debian is on, can't be left on overnight (because it's in the bedroom), but he has another system elsewhere. Can this system make a local repository, from which the updates can be grabbed from every morning? |
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| 11:04.24 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, I'm not using it myself, but why wouldn't it? |
| 11:04.34 | valdyn | Quarupt: apt-cache search gift |
| 11:04.43 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, afaik know 3d support for ati isn't that great. |
| 11:04.46 | ArtVandalaeII | Is there an easy way of doing this? |
| 11:04.57 | bob2 | ArtVandalaeII: yes |
| 11:05.09 | bob2 | ArtVandalaeII: run apt-proxy on one of them |
| 11:05.45 | alele | how can i get gnome? |
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| 11:05.54 | Craigo | alele: apt-get install gnome |
| 11:05.55 | Craigo | ;) |
| 11:05.56 | Quarupt | man wtf someone needs to make a better driber that doesnt involve REBUILDING your fucking kernel |
| 11:06.16 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, youre reading it wrong. |
| 11:06.18 | alele | Craigo: isnt like task-..? |
| 11:06.23 | valdyn | !whine |
| 11:06.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 11:06.32 | inc|freaky | what would you recommend when connecting to a server - the usual ssh program using a shell, or a special program for KDE like puTTy or another telnet/ssh program? |
| 11:06.40 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, probraly all it needs is your current kernel driver, and your able to build modules withouth rebuilding your whole kernel. |
| 11:06.44 | inc|freaky | with a gui frontend |
| 11:06.45 | inc|freaky | ? |
| 11:06.54 | valdyn | inc|freaky: ssh |
| 11:06.54 | michal_ | hmm.. join could do with an example :/ |
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| 11:06.58 | jethro | Invisible: I d use ssh in a shell |
| 11:07.03 | jethro | inc|freaky: ^^ |
| 11:07.07 | Arvind-NL | s/driver/header Quarupt |
| 11:07.08 | Quarupt | i just wanna use the opengl matrix screen saver |
| 11:07.28 | Quarupt | what is all this s/blah/Blah crap anyways? |
| 11:07.35 | valdyn | Quarupt: now why would you need to compile a kernel to do that? |
| 11:07.53 | valdyn | Quarupt: a regular expression |
| 11:07.57 | paulswm | Quarupt: Build a driver then, or pay someone to do it, insteaad of whining about stuff you're getting for free |
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| 11:08.12 | inc|freaky | awkay :D |
| 11:08.20 | ArtVandalaeII | People get payed to compile kernels for people?! |
| 11:08.22 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, use your logic ; your able to use to xfree opengl for that I guess. |
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| 11:09.01 | michal_ | jesus.. htf does join work? |
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| 11:09.17 | sussudio | man join |
| 11:09.39 | michal_ | that manpage is completely meaningless to me |
| 11:09.41 | Quarupt | im not getting anything for free, everyone before told me that nv sucks get an ATI card, now i have one and its ahassle to get d3d working, at least with Nvidia i could use d3d |
| 11:09.57 | sussudio | michal_: maybe linux isn't for you |
| 11:10.05 | ctmnz | hahah :) |
| 11:10.09 | valdyn | michal_: to add a column to a textfile you will need to process input line by line ( man sed, man awk ) |
| 11:10.11 | Quarupt | I cant even get a damn AMD64 kernel working right |
| 11:10.24 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, direct3d using debian? |
| 11:10.31 | jethro | Quarupt: ever heard of pebcak? |
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| 11:10.40 | valdyn | Quarupt: /j #pityme |
| 11:10.40 | michal_ | joining in assembler would be easier :/ |
| 11:10.56 | Quarupt | Linux is fine for me, i guess taking advice from script kissies using vmware to run xchat under some RH8 auto-install was a bad idea |
| 11:11.03 | michal_ | valdyn: i was under the impression join could do it too |
| 11:11.38 | valdyn | michal_: join just concatenates files, similar as cat a b > c |
| 11:11.59 | Quarupt | i need sleep screw this |
| 11:12.14 | michal_ | valdyn: that's not what the description in the manpage says |
| 11:12.16 | Arvind-NL | Quarupt, d3d for a matrix screensaver? that's not needed for a matrix screensaver, only if you want to play windws games |
| 11:12.29 | michal_ | it joins PAIRS of input lines |
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| 11:12.37 | valdyn | michal_: ops, my bad |
| 11:13.02 | michal_ | but you can't set the delimiter |
| 11:13.06 | Belping-- | anyone uses midnight commander? |
| 11:13.12 | jethro | Belping--: no |
| 11:13.26 | Belping-- | oh do you use an alternative then? |
| 11:13.39 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 11:13.39 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:13.39 | jethro | Belping--: neither |
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| 11:14.30 | Belping-- | ok could you tell me if there's a place where i can find the basic shell commands |
| 11:14.37 | valdyn | michal_: -t |
| 11:14.39 | tarzeau | resiak: can't you guess the fields? |
| 11:14.41 | Arvind-NL | Belping--, I use it barley |
| 11:14.44 | Belping-- | i didn't think removing a directory would be so hard |
| 11:14.44 | jethro | Belping--: shell's manpage? |
| 11:14.52 | Caesar | If you've run mke2fs with a -c option and it's actually found bad blocks, how can you tell after the fact? |
| 11:15.05 | Belping-- | jethro: well yeah something like that |
| 11:15.16 | jethro | Belping--: did you try man <yourshell> ? |
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| 11:15.43 | michal_ | ok.. it PARTIALLY worked.. very partially though :/ |
| 11:15.50 | Belping-- | jethro: no, i tried help |
| 11:16.19 | jethro | Belping--: you remove stuff with the rm command, man rm then |
| 11:16.31 | Belping-- | jethro: ok i'll try that |
| 11:16.36 | michal_ | it joined 8 lines of 73 :/ |
| 11:16.47 | Arvind-NL | Belping--, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch6.html |
| 11:16.50 | michal_ | even though the first field was common and on the same line in all 73 cases |
| 11:17.00 | jethro | !fgi Belping-- linux+basic+shell+commands |
| 11:17.01 | dpkg | Belping--: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux+basic+shell+commands |
| 11:17.12 | Belping-- | Arvind-NL: thanks |
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| 11:18.06 | inc|freaky | !fgi inc|freaky linux+basic+shell+commands |
| 11:18.07 | dpkg | inc|freaky: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux+basic+shell+commands |
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| 11:21.34 | inc|freaky | which one is better, openoffice or kdeoffice? |
| 11:21.37 | inc|freaky | *koffice |
| 11:21.42 | Arvind-NL | inc|freaky, openoffice. |
| 11:21.43 | valdyn | !best |
| 11:21.43 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 11:21.53 | inc|freaky | k, thats the one im using :D |
| 11:21.54 | tarzeau | inc|freaky: i like TextEdit.app best |
| 11:22.05 | inc|freaky | i like kate :) |
| 11:22.09 | inc|freaky | and crusader :D |
| 11:22.10 | Belping-- | does df show all the mounted harddisks? |
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| 11:22.21 | inc|freaky | Belping--: i guess, yes |
| 11:22.29 | valdyn | Belping--: don't you dare to try or read the manpage |
| 11:22.32 | tarzeau | Belping--: and network devices too nuless you say -l |
| 11:22.32 | Arvind-NL | hah! somone likes emacs ? :D |
| 11:22.36 | nevyn | vim :) |
| 11:22.37 | tarzeau | valdyn: heh |
| 11:22.39 | simonrvn | mounted partitions, so no |
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| 11:22.50 | tarzeau | Arvind-NL: i can't understand how someone could like vim |
| 11:22.53 | tarzeau | Arvind-NL: err vi |
| 11:22.59 | Belping-- | hmm then something is wrong |
| 11:23.21 | inc|freaky | i like vi ;D |
| 11:23.32 | tarzeau | inc|freaky: that's like liking a microsoft c compiler over gcc |
| 11:23.34 | Arvind-NL | tarzeau, it's a mystery for me |
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| 11:23.43 | inc|freaky | why that? |
| 11:23.50 | nevyn | tarzeau: nah it's scope is screwed. |
| 11:24.02 | zinx | tarzeau: mingw gets a 1-5% framerate increase in ET, over VS.NET :P~ |
| 11:24.02 | valentinos | is there a graphical util for reading man pages btw ? |
| 11:24.17 | tarzeau | valentinos: xman |
| 11:24.17 | Arvind-NL | we alls hould drop .doc. rtf and use tex. |
| 11:24.25 | valdyn | valentinos: various |
| 11:24.30 | tarzeau | Arvind-NL: what's wrong with rtf / rtfd ? |
| 11:24.31 | nevyn | tarzeau: it does have fast calling tho. |
| 11:24.33 | valdyn | valentinos: i like dwww |
| 11:24.34 | inc|freaky | valentinos: i dont know of any, but there is dwww - you can use it and your whole system documentation and man pages are available through a webinterface |
| 11:24.34 | simonrvn | oh crap |
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| 11:24.39 | tarzeau | Arvind-NL: it's a fine format. unlike doc |
| 11:25.04 | valentinos | thanks |
| 11:25.22 | Arvind-NL | tarzeau, I personally prefer text over rtf. |
| 11:25.26 | simonrvn | tarzeau: does gnustep have an "organiser" that groks vacl/ical stuff, and fetches remote data? |
| 11:25.33 | simonrvn | vcal* |
| 11:25.33 | valdyn | valentinos: though that tool isnt specific to manpages, it makes te whole debian documentation accessible via http |
| 11:25.39 | tarzeau | Arvind-NL: no i prefer rtf over txt, on txt you never know the encoding |
| 11:25.44 | Arvind-NL | s/text/tex |
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| 11:25.45 | Arvind-NL | sorry |
| 11:26.05 | tarzeau | simonrvn: the killer application of GNUstep is that you can develop anything you want in no time! |
| 11:26.26 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it has Agenda.app but the format it stores it i not vcal/ical but property lists (standard format) |
| 11:26.34 | simonrvn | tarzeau: and what's that called? |
| 11:26.36 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it should be no problem to do the conversion |
| 11:26.42 | simonrvn | ok, CSV kinda thing? |
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| 11:26.56 | tarzeau | simonrvn: no property list :) let me find you an example |
| 11:27.09 | valentinos | valdyn, dww requires apache right :( |
| 11:27.19 | inc|freaky | yea |
| 11:27.20 | tarzeau | simonrvn: if you got GNUstep installed, type "defaults read" (or on a Mac OS X) and you'll see it |
| 11:27.25 | simonrvn | valentinos: apt-cache show dwww |
| 11:27.28 | valdyn | !depends dwww |
| 11:27.30 | dpkg | dwww: depends on apache | httpd, man-db, file, perl (>= 5.6.0-16), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, menu (>= 2.1.14), realpath (>= 1.9.16), doc-base (>= 0.7.17), debianutils (>= 2.5) |
| 11:27.54 | tarzeau | simonrvn: http://www.gnustep.it/nicola/Tutorials/BasicClasses/node29.html you'll see examples here in the middle |
| 11:27.55 | inc|freaky | is there a debconf-2.0 ? oO |
| 11:28.21 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it's possible to have it also as xml |
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| 11:28.41 | tarzeau | but certainly plists > xml |
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| 11:29.18 | resiak | tarzeau: Yeah, I did. Well, I went to bed instead. I was mainly joking :) |
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| 11:29.45 | michal_ | why do things have to be so hard? :/ |
| 11:29.48 | michal_ | for user in `cut -f 2 -d : michal.userlist`; do echo ./d3useradd `grep $user: michal.userlist | cut -f 1 -d :` $user; done |
| 11:29.53 | tarzeau | resiak: sorry, the english one got spammed, if i find it, i'll fix it.. i don't grasp how/why it always shows me all in german..yuck |
| 11:30.02 | resiak | tarzeau: Not a problem. |
| 11:30.08 | michal_ | and then i have to replace all the passwords in the shadow file |
| 11:30.09 | manuma | i need to know whether my service provider can find out if my linux box is sharing gprs internet via bluetoth, i am using wvdial program for this |
| 11:30.12 | resiak | tarzeau: The German one has also been spammed. |
| 11:30.21 | tarzeau | resiak: so you want to edit the wiki, too? |
| 11:30.33 | simonrvn | tarzeau: yeh, i agree. xml is a PITA |
| 11:30.41 | resiak | tarzeau: Yeah. I wanted to add an AudioCD entry. |
| 11:31.24 | tarzeau | resiak: the username is resiak? |
| 11:31.44 | manuma | i need to know whether my service provider can find out if my linux box is sharing gprs internet via bluetoth, i am using wvdial program for this |
| 11:31.46 | resiak | tarzeau: It will be when I make it :) |
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| 11:32.06 | tarzeau | resiak: make it now, and you'll be able to edit it |
| 11:32.08 | jethro | manuma: once more |
| 11:32.17 | tarzeau | resiak: i'll be like gone for the until late tonight |
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| 11:32.42 | resiak | tarzeau: Okay. So despite what it says I can just use "resiak" for my name? No CamelCase requirement? |
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| 11:33.00 | tarzeau | yes you can use all small caps |
| 11:33.05 | resiak | Ta. |
| 11:33.24 | resiak | tarzeau: It disagrees, and won't let me. |
| 11:33.25 | manuma | jethro: i just need a simple yes or no can you help me |
| 11:33.32 | zinx | manuma: no |
| 11:33.56 | tarzeau | resiak: oh try CamelCase then but asg had a smallcaps name... |
| 11:33.57 | michal_ | can sed change a file inplace? |
| 11:34.02 | tarzeau | michal_: with -i , yes |
| 11:34.06 | resiak | tarzeau: Sure. |
| 11:34.12 | tarzeau | michal_: it's just, not all sed can do that ;) go figure |
| 11:34.29 | michal_ | cool.. thanks.. this one can |
| 11:34.33 | resiak | tarzeau: Done. |
| 11:34.39 | michal_ | now i just need to learn how to use sed.. again |
| 11:34.46 | tarzeau | resiak: i need to know the name |
| 11:34.55 | zinx | manuma: the short answer is they can tell if you're sharing it, if they -really- want to know. |
| 11:35.02 | resiak | tarzeau: ReSiak |
| 11:35.05 | resiak | tarzeau: ;) |
| 11:35.23 | tarzeau | resiak: have fun, should work now |
| 11:35.34 | resiak | tarzeau: Thanks. |
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| 11:36.02 | manuma | zinx: ok, thanks |
| 11:36.21 | michal_ | what do i need to do.. for field 1 in file 1 that matches field 1 in file 2 change field 2 in file 2 to field 3 in file 1 |
| 11:36.31 | manuma | zinx: will they be able to detect two ips from the same connection |
| 11:36.42 | michal_ | i wish there was a compiler to work out the details of how that should work :/ |
| 11:37.08 | michal_ | i get dyslexia just contemplating it |
| 11:37.23 | resiak | tarzeau: Thanks. Of course, I've now found the page I was going to make. :) |
| 11:37.28 | zinx | manuma: two IPs from the what now? presumably, they won't let you have two IPs in the first place |
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| 11:38.43 | manuma | zinx: ok |
| 11:39.00 | manuma | zinx: thanks, i was a bit comfused |
| 11:39.35 | michal_ | is sed what i would use for such a thing or is there a better tool? |
| 11:39.56 | jethro | michal_: i d use perl |
| 11:40.16 | michal_ | perl is more complicated to learn at the moment :/ |
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| 11:40.24 | nomeata | Hi. Is there a svg viewer in debian that supports complex animations with javascript, so that you can develop a whole application with SVG/javascript? |
| 11:40.37 | jethro | michal_: to me perl is easier to learn than sed |
| 11:41.10 | michal_ | well i'm running out of time.. soon i'll lose consciousness from exhaustion.. so perl seems a little too ambitious |
| 11:41.23 | jethro | ok :) |
| 11:41.31 | michal_ | i might be able to shoehorn join and awk into doing this |
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| 11:41.51 | Legend | can you help me pls |
| 11:42.00 | Legend | i need amd-64 for debian .iso folder |
| 11:42.02 | Legend | help me pls |
| 11:42.24 | michal_ | strip all the :'s from the shadow file.. and then.. something with awk.. and then join.. and then maybe another awk |
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| 11:42.57 | resiak | !amd64 |
| 11:42.57 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
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| 11:44.08 | Belping-- | is there a way to let the programm continue running if you run a programm (e.g. bitchx) through ssh when you close the ssh client? |
| 11:44.24 | jethro | Belping--: use screen |
| 11:44.30 | Legend | but it is net installer |
| 11:44.35 | jethro | Belping--: tho bitchx has a detach feature |
| 11:44.39 | Legend | i need full .iso cd |
| 11:44.50 | Belping-- | jethro: is screen a command or a program? |
| 11:44.57 | jethro | Belping--: it's a program |
| 11:45.02 | resiak | Legend: Well, bear in mind that it's not supported yet.# |
| 11:45.03 | Belping-- | jethro: ok thanks! |
| 11:45.07 | jethro | Belping--: yw |
| 11:45.11 | michal_ | hmm.. i notice all the entries in the shadow file apart from the username and password are the same anyway.. no need to join.. |
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| 11:45.20 | jethro | Belping--: but there is a /detach feature in bx iirc |
| 11:45.35 | Belping-- | oh that might be easier then |
| 11:45.43 | Belping-- | i'll take a look thanks man! |
| 11:45.45 | valentinos | Legend, there are alot of apps you cant run on 64 platoform yet .. like wine, consider a normal 32 with 64 bit kernell you only gain a 10 to 12 % on speed anyway |
| 11:45.53 | jethro | Belping--: screen makes it possible for every app you'd run in a term |
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| 11:46.23 | Belping-- | i'll look for screen too then |
| 11:46.35 | jethro | Belping--: "Issue /detach in your BitchX session, to reattach issue 'scr-bx' in the shell" |
| 11:47.15 | michal_ | awk -F : '{ print $2":"$3":12841:0:99999:7:::" }' file |
| 11:47.17 | Belping-- | ok great thanks! |
| 11:47.33 | michal_ | might not be modify in place.. but i can live with that |
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| 11:49.10 | vihis | blah. how should i install nvidia-kernel drivers for my debian? |
| 11:49.18 | vihis | i installed kernel 2.6.10 |
| 11:49.41 | nevyn | vihis: do you have non-free enabled? |
| 11:49.47 | ArtVandalaeII | !tell vihis about nvidia |
| 11:50.05 | ArtVandalaeII | Sorry, that was meant to be nvidia-howto |
| 11:50.12 | vihis | :) |
| 11:50.38 | vihis | nevyn: yes i have. |
| 11:50.41 | Arvind-NL | dpkg tell Viddy about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:50.41 | vihis | (and im using sarge) |
| 11:50.51 | vihis | :D |
| 11:50.53 | luctor | how do I install the latest kernel with apt-get ? |
| 11:51.13 | vihis | nvidia-kernel-common - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files |
| 11:51.17 | iceman | luctor: apt-cache search kernel-image.. ; apt-get install kernel-image.. |
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| 11:51.41 | Arvind-NL | vihis, You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/ |
| 11:51.48 | luctor | iceman: ok, this will make everything modules ? |
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| 11:51.54 | vihis | arvind-nl: duh |
| 11:52.18 | iceman | luctor: not sure what you mean, but this will work |
| 11:52.19 | Arvind-NL | Viddy, no need to be rude |
| 11:52.54 | Arvind-NL | <vihis> (and im using sarge), what do you mean "duh" :-) |
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| 11:53.27 | vihis | arvind-nl: hmm. i dont wanna get sid-stuff on my debian :P |
| 11:53.31 | resiak | Arvind-NL: It's better to !tell people about nvidia howto, since that explains it all. one-liner is for people who know the idea but have forgotten the exact procedure. |
| 11:53.32 | luctor | iceman: I did this a while ago and added som packages that help find hardware I think. To make sure my cordless keyborad etc was detected |
| 11:53.36 | resiak | vihis: We're working on it. |
| 11:53.42 | resiak | !tell vihis about simple sid/sarge mix |
| 11:53.45 | vihis | :) |
| 11:53.57 | resiak | :/ |
| 11:53.59 | resiak | Where'd it go? |
| 11:54.27 | resiak | o.O Someone removed that factoid! |
| 11:54.29 | Arvind-NL | you mean quick sid/sarge mix |
| 11:54.33 | resiak | Arvind-NL: Aaah. |
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| 11:54.38 | resiak | !tell vihis -about quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 11:55.17 | reNegad3 | im setting up a debian router with a dsl connection.... currently I have a dsl/router modem, which I want to now setup a debian box to handle it all. with the modem do I have to set it to be bridged or just plug the modem straight into the NIC?? |
| 11:56.37 | EJ | What's Norton ghost parallel in linux? |
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| 11:57.23 | Chameleon22 | anyone knows of any dvd rippers for linux? |
| 11:58.07 | Arvind-NL | reNegad3, I would use a router instead, |
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| 11:58.33 | Arvind-NL | Chameleon22, http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/doc/install.cipp#debian |
| 11:58.55 | michal_ | argh.. would a shell like user:x:10090:501::/home/distrib:d3 `/home/distrib/d3logmein` work ? :/ |
| 11:59.04 | Chameleon22 | thanx Arvind-NL |
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| 11:59.42 | MobyTurbo | michal_: if you use vipw to edit the file I think it will automatically check the syntax |
| 11:59.49 | Shadur | MobyTurbo: Not likely |
| 11:59.59 | Shadur | Er, michal |
| 12:00.15 | MobyTurbo | michal_: in any case you should use vipw in order to lock the passwd file |
| 12:00.25 | michal_ | dammit.. looks like i'll have to make a bash script which calls it instead :/ |
| 12:00.48 | MobyTurbo | michal_: if you're using a bash script, you probably want useradd or adduser or the like |
| 12:00.57 | michal_ | what? |
| 12:01.00 | michal_ | i mean for the shell |
| 12:01.12 | michal_ | i have a perl script which generates a paramater for a program |
| 12:01.15 | MobyTurbo | michal_: yes, within the shell script |
| 12:01.39 | michal_ | i don't think you understand |
| 12:01.40 | MobyTurbo | michal_: well, Perl probably has its own modules for manipulating the passwd file on CPAN |
| 12:01.56 | michal_ | i'm no longer manipulating the passwd/shadow files |
| 12:02.00 | michal_ | i've done that manually |
| 12:02.08 | michal_ | now i just need it to work |
| 12:02.29 | michal_ | and the problem is i forget that the perl script only generates a paramater.. not the actual call to the program |
| 12:02.35 | resiak | michal_: man xargs |
| 12:03.09 | michal_ | calling xargs as the users shell won't help :/ |
| 12:03.49 | michal_ | the idea is that d3 `perl script` is automatically called as the user logs in |
| 12:04.36 | resiak | michal_: /etc/profile ? |
| 12:04.47 | michal_ | i can't really call the program from the perl script.. i don't know how |
| 12:05.02 | michal_ | i'll have to do that even though i didn't want to :/ |
| 12:05.08 | MobyTurbo | michal_: maybe you need to edit /etc/shells and add your perl script to the list of recognized shells |
| 12:05.17 | MobyTurbo | not that I'd reccomend that |
| 12:05.21 | michal_ | that won't help either |
| 12:05.24 | resiak | michal_: system 'program', @args |
| 12:05.39 | resiak | michal_: Or, since you don't want to go back to the program later, exec instead of system. |
| 12:05.42 | michal_ | as you can't have "program `script`" as a shell |
| 12:05.49 | resiak | michal_: perldoc -f system; perldoc -f exec |
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| 12:07.37 | michal_ | problem is i wouldn't have anywhere to close a file i opened :/ |
| 12:07.46 | resiak | michal_: They close themselves. |
| 12:07.50 | michal_ | wait.. unless i put the call in a variable first |
| 12:07.54 | resiak | michal_: perldoc -f open; perldoc -f close |
| 12:08.16 | resiak | michal_: When you exec, all filehandles apart from STD{IN,OUT,ERR} are closed. |
| 12:08.27 | michal_ | i open a file and while not end of file chomp away and if i match something i return a value. the if and while close and the i close the file |
| 12:08.28 | resiak | michal_: At this point I really ought to send you to #perl |
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| 12:08.51 | michal_ | so it will automatically close when i exec? you're sure? |
| 12:09.00 | resiak | michal_: Read the appropriate perldoc pages. |
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| 12:10.13 | michal_ | i don't see anything about it on the exec perldoc page.. i'll take your word for it for now.. i can barely keep away and i just want to be done with it.. still have to add 20 printers :/ |
| 12:10.22 | resiak | michal_: It's in the open page. |
| 12:10.25 | resiak | michal_: Trust me, it's true. |
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| 12:12.48 | pr0tOtype | hi |
| 12:12.49 | raf256 | is there a good website about linux64 / debian64 ? |
| 12:13.02 | michal_ | hmm.. doesn't work quite as expected :/ |
| 12:13.05 | pr0tOtype | how to change my console resolution plz ? |
| 12:13.11 | michal_ | escapes characters differently to print |
| 12:13.17 | pr0tOtype | i don't know how to use framebuffer with my i810 |
| 12:13.45 | michal_ | resiak: can exec handle paramaters with embeded carriage returns? |
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| 12:14.25 | michal_ | this was the print line I was using before. print "-dcdon $d3line -d \\f\\r\U$username\E\\r\U$d3_password\E\\r\n"; |
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| 12:14.48 | michal_ | on second thoughts i don't think there is any other way to do this |
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| 12:15.08 | michal_ | hiding passwords and embedding carriage returns is not likely something that can be done otherwise :/ |
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| 12:15.53 | now3d | Hi, I am trying to get simplified chinese displaying on debian sarge. Traditional chinese and japanese all displayfine, but some simplified chinese characters are missing. any ideas? konqueror and mozilla have the same chracters as '??' |
| 12:16.47 | terminator | is there anyone around who'd be able to tell me if its possible to do a webinstall of sarge using an intel 2200BG wireless adapter. Previously i used to have to install the drivers manually after i installed via ethernet. |
| 12:17.05 | terminator | or what dist allows a web isntall through that wireless card. |
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| 12:18.27 | now3d | terminator: is there a kernel with this device supported in 2.6? if so it should work |
| 12:18.36 | bob2 | raf256: do you mean "Debian or Linux on amd64"? |
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| 12:18.54 | now3d | terminator: i have not tried this out though |
| 12:18.56 | bob2 | terminator: #debian-boot would know |
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| 12:19.18 | bob2 | now3d: it requires a) a driver that's not in te kernel.org kernels and b) firmware to be loadedat runtime |
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| 12:19.59 | now3d | bob2: ah, might be more complicated then |
| 12:20.14 | bob2 | yeah |
| 12:20.16 | now3d | terminator: do you not have any other lan card you can use to install online with? |
| 12:20.20 | hingwah | now3d: apt-get install ttf-arphic-gkai00mp? |
| 12:20.23 | raf256 | bob2: yes |
| 12:20.30 | bob2 | ubuntu can install over ipw2100 |
| 12:20.36 | bob2 | maybe hoary can do ipw2200 now |
| 12:20.47 | bob2 | raf256: www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 12:21.02 | bob2 | sarge may work, I'm not sure |
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| 12:21.26 | now3d | hangwah: cool, i did not have this one installed. It did not come up when i was searching for chinese fonts |
| 12:21.33 | michal_ | hmm.. i don't get it.. /home/distrib/d3logmein: Exec format error |
| 12:21.43 | michal_ | Exec format error? wtf does that mean? |
| 12:21.46 | callipyg1us | hey, did debian start installing stuff in /usr/local/ on testing? |
| 12:21.57 | raf256 | bob2: thanx, and - suprisingly - this link is not possitioned well in web browser, someone shuld fix it |
| 12:22.02 | raf256 | !google debian 64 bit |
| 12:22.09 | hingwah | now3d: apt-cache search chinese | grep ^ttf got it |
| 12:22.11 | michal_ | and it only does that when called as the shell |
| 12:22.16 | dpkg | Google says debian 64 bit is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg00012.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg00191.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg00186.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg00187.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg00188.html |
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| 12:22.43 | Arvind-NL | or http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 12:22.45 | raf256 | Debian team shoul position "http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/" for "debian 64" |
| 12:22.46 | michal_ | not if executed directly.. can't a shell script be a shell? |
| 12:22.53 | FordPrefect_ | hi |
| 12:22.57 | MobyTurbo | raf256: AMD64 is not the only 64 bit architecture that runs Debian |
| 12:23.00 | bob2 | all this "debian 64" crap is stupid |
| 12:23.07 | bob2 | surely people know of alpha, hppa, etc |
| 12:23.17 | now3d | hingwah: ok, thanks, i was searching for "chinese fonts" in apt-cache. do you thjink I need to restart Mozilla/X before I can use these fonts? |
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| 12:23.29 | michal_ | wait a minute.. maybe a login shell can't have #!/bin/sh at the top? |
| 12:23.39 | raf256 | bob2: ups, indeed, my fault, debian+amd64 gives good result |
| 12:23.42 | bob2 | michal_: what on earth are you doing? |
| 12:24.03 | luctor | I just installed a new kernel-image and x wont start complains about some qwerty keyboard not existing etc and some mouse thing but the keyboard works fine. I guess I missing some modules or so ? isnt there some plug and play package I forgot to install ? |
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| 12:24.19 | michal_ | bob2: setting up user logins |
| 12:24.31 | michal_ | ok.. my mistake.. i was missing the ! and didn't notice |
| 12:24.44 | xerophyte | could somebody tell me how acn troueblshoot this problem i have nfs server setup and daemon and port map is running when i try to mount mount -v localhost:/home/fedora /mnt i get mount: localhost:/home/fedora failed, reason given by server: Permission denied but i have /etc/export /home/debian localhost(rw,no_root_squash) |
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| 12:25.56 | hingwah | now3d: u may only need to restart firefox if it use client-side font rendering |
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| 12:27.04 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 12:27.20 | drac | I've just experienced electical blackout while dpkg was setting up new package of mozilla-firefox, now I can't remove --purge it, can't --reinstall install it, nothing. subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2, dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script |
| 12:27.35 | drac | What could I do to fix dpkg? |
| 12:27.44 | pr0tOtype | plz plz, how to setup framebuffer to change console resolution plz ? |
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| 12:30.03 | nullvoid | pr0tOtype: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 12:30.31 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : not for X, the console when i boot |
| 12:30.40 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : i use runlevel 3 |
| 12:31.00 | drac | So, just because one package got messed up, whole dpkg is now doomed? :/ |
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| 12:31.53 | insanekane | drac: apt-get -f ? |
| 12:32.13 | lunitik | insanekane: you mean apt-get -f install of course |
| 12:32.19 | drac | nah, same error. |
| 12:32.20 | nullvoid | pr0tOtype: vga=791 |
| 12:32.29 | nullvoid | pr0tOtype: vga=791 <---- in your bootloader |
| 12:32.31 | drac | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute pre-removal script |
| 12:32.44 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: Debian only uses init 2 :/ |
| 12:33.58 | pr0tOtype | yeah, init2 sorry |
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| 12:33.59 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : could u help me changing my screen res plz for the console using init2 ? |
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| 12:33.59 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : on an i810 chipset |
| 12:33.59 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: for the console? other than what nullvoid said? no |
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| 12:34.05 | drac | dpkg -l says 'rF mozilla-firefo 1.0+dfsg.1-6', and status doesn't change from that to anything, whatever i try. |
| 12:34.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching says 'rF mozilla-firefo 1.0+dfsg.1-6', and status doesn't change from that to anything, whatever i try. |
| 12:34.06 | lunitik | *cough* do what he said *cough* |
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| 12:34.24 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : not the X server, it's not installed |
| 12:34.29 | sunny256 | Student: Cut your /msg spamming! |
| 12:34.42 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: vga= doesn't define X resolution |
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| 12:35.11 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : oh, sorry didn't see |
| 12:35.26 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : i'm using grub, is the menu.lst to be changed ? |
| 12:35.28 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: yes you did, you just thought you knew better |
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| 12:35.40 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: if you want to keep the setting |
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| 12:35.58 | lunitik | Should probably try it first though :/ |
| 12:36.03 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : and if i don't want ? |
| 12:36.14 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: you grow a brain... |
| 12:36.20 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : so i don't have to insmod some i810fb first ? |
| 12:36.23 | shinobi2 | does grub support boot OS on usb drive? |
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| 12:36.34 | luctor | ls |
| 12:36.41 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: apt-get install discover |
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| 12:38.49 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: don't think, it doesn't suit you |
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| 12:38.50 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : thx |
| 12:38.50 | nullvoid | shinobi2: grub - yes |
| 12:38.50 | luctor | cannot open device /dev/psaux ? It could before I changed kernel. What module am I missing |
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| 12:38.50 | drac | luctor: mousedev, psmouse ? |
| 12:38.50 | nullvoid | luctor: discover |
| 12:38.50 | shinobi2 | nullvoid, you ve done it before? |
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| 12:38.50 | luctor | nullvoid: discover is a module |
| 12:38.50 | nullvoid | shinobi2: not yet, maybe google might help you |
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| 12:38.50 | pr0tOtype | vga=791 is to be added at top of the configuration ? |
| 12:38.50 | nullvoid | luctor: discover will load you the necessary module |
| 12:38.50 | luctor | nullvoid: modprobe discover ? |
| 12:38.50 | lunitik | luctor: no... its a hardware probing utility |
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| 12:39.03 | luctor | nullvoid: or insmod discover |
| 12:39.17 | nullvoid | apt-get install discover |
| 12:39.22 | wolf_ | guys a question ... i want to download sarge iso .. in torrent file the last torrent sarge-i368-15.iso don`t work .. telling me that the file not registerd to used with this client.. and in the mirrors there is no 15th CD ... so what is that ? |
| 12:39.30 | *** part/#debian shinobi2 (~nokiaz@usrns30.dialup.hawaii.edu) |
| 12:39.35 | pr0tOtype | discover returns : Intel Corp. 82810 DC-100 GMCH [Graphics Memory Controller Hub] |
| 12:39.41 | resiak | michal_: If you use the multi-argument form, yes |
| 12:39.48 | pr0tOtype | but i know it's a i810 chipset |
| 12:40.00 | lunitik | wolf_: search google for 'debian-install' and just get the 'net-inst' image |
| 12:40.02 | nullvoid | pr0tOtype: can you tell me what you are doing |
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| 12:40.25 | wolf_ | lunitik: i`m alrady downladied the 14 cd :) i`m just wonder what is wrong with the 15th one |
| 12:40.39 | Phil-- | which program can i use to watch tv with my tv card? is xine a program for that? |
| 12:41.16 | lunitik | wolf_: you're a moron for downloading all of Debian's CD's |
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| 12:41.16 | lunitik | Phil--: tvtime |
| 12:41.16 | jethro | Phil--: tvtime is cool |
| 12:41.16 | Phil-- | allright thx |
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| 12:41.26 | callipyg1us | when I upgraded from woody to testing, i have a lot less hard drive space available |
| 12:41.35 | wolf_ | lunitik: ;) a frined of mine need them cuz he don`t have broadband connection ..so it`s cool to have the full set in that case ... for me i can do internet installtion .. as i done with my mandrake |
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| 12:41.48 | callipyg1us | oh fuck |
| 12:41.52 | callipyg1us | you've got another fucking spam bot |
| 12:41.56 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : i've changed my menu.lst to : kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 root=/dev/hda2 vga=791 ro |
| 12:41.57 | lunitik | wolf_: no internet = no debian imo |
| 12:41.57 | callipyg1us | "Student" |
| 12:42.04 | callipyg1us | kill the bot |
| 12:42.05 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : is that correct ? |
| 12:42.08 | nullvoid | yes |
| 12:42.16 | wolf_ | lunitik: nothing i do about that ... no internet = no life ;) |
| 12:42.20 | EJ | how do i configure webmin password? |
| 12:42.22 | lunitik | wolf_: you're bypassing most of the reasons to use Debian without utilizing network installations etc |
| 12:42.25 | nullvoid | just add vga=791 in your stanza |
| 12:42.28 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : thx, i'm rebooting to see |
| 12:42.31 | baikonur | after upgrading sid I get "Xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp X session may exit with an error" when I want to start X as a user with "startx". It works as root. Can I manually fix this? |
| 12:42.41 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : stanza ? |
| 12:42.42 | wolf_ | so what is the 15th cd problem ? not in ftp and torrent didn`t work .. |
| 12:42.59 | lunitik | baikonur: give the user permission to /tmp |
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| 12:43.17 | stew | wolf_: the chances of you needing a .deb from the 15th cd are remote since they are orded by popularity |
| 12:43.19 | baikonur | lunitik: drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4096 2005-02-27 13:39 tmp/ |
| 12:43.25 | callipyg1us | kkill da fucker |
| 12:43.41 | now3d | we got spammers again: Studenthttp://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 12:43.46 | wolf_ | stew: i guess it`s about 28 MB |
| 12:43.47 | lunitik | baikonur: cool... but the user still can't access it... |
| 12:43.49 | callipyg1us | string him up by the ballz |
| 12:44.00 | stew | !ops Student onjoin spammer |
| 12:44.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Student onjoin spammer |
| 12:44.07 | callipyg1us | fukin turkish spam |
| 12:44.11 | wolf_ | stew: but it`s a probem to have a torrent not working ;) |
| 12:44.19 | callipyg1us | yeh, sure i want to see turkish whores with moustaches |
| 12:44.25 | baikonur | lunitik: the user can access it but Xsession obviously can't |
| 12:44.34 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : got this msg "you passed a undefined mode number" and give me a list of vesa vga cols x row :( |
| 12:44.43 | sorahn | in gnome there is an option to start a new login for X, whats the command for that |
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| 12:44.56 | callipyg1us | startx -- :1 |
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| 12:45.13 | sorahn | ty! |
| 12:45.17 | luctor | nullvoid: still have the problem with cannot open device /dev/psaux nos such device an xkeyvoard keymap compiler xkbcomp : No symbols named "qwerty" in the include file EXITING |
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| 12:45.18 | nullvoid | pr0tOtype: what reso you want |
| 12:45.20 | callipyg1us | np! :P |
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| 12:45.41 | now3d | han: thanks that chinese simplified now works |
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| 12:45.42 | pr0tOtype | nullvoid : 1024x768 don't mind the colors, even 256 colors is ok |
| 12:45.43 | callipyg1us | this channel always has that damn spam bot in here |
| 12:45.49 | lunitik | 791 = 1024x768... most cards should be able to handle that |
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| 12:46.05 | luctor | fatal server error failed to initialize core devices |
| 12:46.16 | lunitik | callipyg1us: all popular channels do |
| 12:46.17 | stew | i just don't understand why people want to download debian cds using bittorrent instead of http or ftp |
| 12:46.21 | now3d | ciao |
| 12:46.24 | nullvoid | pr0tOtype: U have kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-1-k7 root=/dev/sda4 vga=792 ro |
| 12:46.30 | lunitik | stew: bittorrent is "cool" |
| 12:46.34 | nullvoid | it work well |
| 12:46.37 | callipyg1us | lunitik: haven't seen any on #gentoo, and its pretty damn popular |
| 12:46.40 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : but grub indicates me that it's using vesafb and i want i810fb to be used :( |
| 12:46.53 | callipyg1us | as thats the only other really popular channel I go into |
| 12:46.57 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: then use it? |
| 12:47.09 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : howto plz ? insmod ? |
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| 12:47.37 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: I should just stop helping you, you're making me want to hit things |
| 12:47.38 | Kurniady | when will Sarge be released? |
| 12:47.44 | lunitik | Kurniady: who cares? |
| 12:47.44 | laomao | rsn |
| 12:47.49 | stew | Kurniady: /msg dpkg wwsr |
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| 12:48.12 | stew | thanks bob2 |
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| 12:48.33 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : ok, sorry, i understand my newbyness is a damn |
| 12:48.49 | callipyg1us | i dist-upgraded to sarge |
| 12:48.49 | baikonur | is X broken in sid? |
| 12:48.49 | callipyg1us | now ive got stuff all hard drive space left :( |
| 12:48.49 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: damnit, that didn't even make sense |
| 12:48.49 | laomao | i just ate a sandwich |
| 12:48.51 | callipyg1us | it takes up lots more :( |
| 12:48.51 | jethro | Biovore: check the bts |
| 12:48.53 | lunitik | baikonur: no |
| 12:48.58 | bob2 | baikonur: only on i386 |
| 12:48.58 | jethro | baikonur: even |
| 12:49.44 | callipyg1us | lunitik: what you running? |
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| 12:50.02 | baikonur | bob2: has that something to do with "Xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp X session may exit with an error"? |
| 12:50.04 | lunitik | callipyg1us: with relation to what? |
| 12:50.10 | bob2 | no |
| 12:50.18 | callipyg1us | debian |
| 12:50.18 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : i think i'll keep my 640x480 |
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| 12:50.29 | callipyg1us | stable/testing? |
| 12:50.35 | lunitik | pr0tOtype: I'd kill babies if I was made to use that res |
| 12:51.12 | lunitik | callipyg1us: sid |
| 12:51.23 | icew0lf | a simple question: can I add repository in my sources.list of http://packages.debian.org? |
| 12:51.40 | bob2 | no |
| 12:51.40 | lunitik | icew0lf: its already there |
| 12:51.43 | callipyg1us | lunitik: ahh ok |
| 12:51.48 | bob2 | since packages.d.o isn't an apt source |
| 12:51.56 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : but i've added vga=791 and grub tells me that is not supported |
| 12:52.03 | callipyg1us | lunitik: i tried woody on an old system, but its way too out of date for me |
| 12:52.03 | stew | icew0lf: no, use http://www.xx.debian.org where xx is your country code |
| 12:52.14 | MobyTurbo | icew0lf: some of the p.d.o information is available via apt-cache search, apt-cache show, etc. |
| 12:52.21 | callipyg1us | so i upgraded it to testing, but yeah, it takes up way more harddrive space it seems |
| 12:52.25 | callipyg1us | :( |
| 12:52.35 | pr0tOtype | lunitik : and i've try to modprobe -l | grep fb and saw i810fb and the system refuses to insmod it |
| 12:52.41 | lunitik | callipyg1us: I've never used woody, and I've been using Debian since it was released (actually, end of potatoe..) |
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| 12:52.46 | terminator | hrmm |
| 12:52.49 | stew | callipyg1us: you've said this like 3-4 times now, is there a question involved? |
| 12:52.55 | aVallark | hwy all |
| 12:52.56 | aVallark | :) |
| 12:53.06 | callipyg1us | yeah, im kind of wondering |
| 12:53.10 | callipyg1us | if thats normal... |
| 12:53.18 | callipyg1us | or if something has screwed up |
| 12:53.20 | icew0lf | but, for example if I want to install this packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gaim can I do it trought APT? |
| 12:53.26 | stew | callipyg1us: apt-get clean |
| 12:53.29 | terminator | apt-get install gaim |
| 12:53.36 | lunitik | callipyg1us: applications get bigger over time... but I can usually get a nice functional system into less than a gig... |
| 12:53.41 | callipyg1us | thanks stew, whats it do tho exactly? |
| 12:53.47 | lunitik | callipyg1us: debfoster is your friend... |
| 12:53.53 | callipyg1us | debfoster?? |
| 12:53.57 | callipyg1us | okay, i'll man that |
| 12:53.58 | stew | callipyg1us: cleans /var/cache/apt/archives, which is where all the downloaded .debs live |
| 12:53.58 | icew0lf | but it didn't find unstable 1.1.4 package |
| 12:54.05 | lunitik | callipyg1us: apt-cache show debfoster |
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| 12:54.33 | callipyg1us | stew: too late, i cleaned that out myself |
| 12:54.41 | lunitik | callipyg1us: apt-get clean gets rid of everything in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 12:54.43 | callipyg1us | first thing i did...still have no space :( |
| 12:54.49 | MobyTurbo | icew0lf: apt-get uses the same names for packages as packages.d.o does |
| 12:55.07 | icew0lf | ah! ok |
| 12:55.17 | icew0lf | i use this repository deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 12:55.17 | icew0lf | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 12:55.17 | icew0lf | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 12:55.22 | icew0lf | are ok? |
| 12:55.31 | lunitik | MobyTurbo: packages.d.o is basically just a front end to apt-cache search :/ |
| 12:55.34 | callipyg1us | i guess its just that the applications have gotten a LOT bigger? :( |
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| 12:55.38 | Putiikki | how to kill X session? when i use kill [pid] it starts again |
| 12:55.43 | tarzeau | can i use regex in bash somehow ? |
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| 12:55.50 | jethro | Putiikki: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 12:55.51 | callipyg1us | Putiikki: /etc/rc.d/xdm stop |
| 12:55.56 | Putiikki | heh, thanks |
| 12:55.57 | MobyTurbo | icew0lf: well, you'll still need the official repositories |
| 12:55.57 | tarzeau | say using the ls command to match filenames? |
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| 12:56.07 | stew | tarzeau: ls | grep? |
| 12:56.10 | baikonur | what can I do if a user's Xession can't access /tmp but it works as root and /tmp is drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4096 2005-02-27 13:39 tmp/ |
| 12:56.22 | tarzeau | stew: without grep but using some builtin option to use regexp? |
| 12:56.27 | MobyTurbo | lunitik: p.d.o is useful for checking out what's in a different distribution (woody, sarge, sid) |
| 12:56.28 | stew | dunno |
| 12:56.45 | stew | tarzeau: i'd ask in 3bash |
| 12:56.47 | stew | err |
| 12:57.26 | jethro | tarzeau: you can still use find with -i?regex |
| 12:58.08 | Kurniady | can anyone recommend me a good email server (webmail server actually) that uses databases for email storage? |
| 12:58.26 | inc|freaky | does anybody know any good cool plugins for gimp? |
| 12:59.15 | aVallark | hey anyone tried installing the Jabber IM server on their machine? |
| 12:59.29 | MobyTurbo | icew0lf: apt-setup |
| 12:59.35 | aVallark | incifreaky: define cool good plugin |
| 13:00.01 | icew0lf | anyone can give me his sources.list with official repositories, please :-)? |
| 13:00.11 | MobyTurbo | icew0lf: just run apt-setup |
| 13:00.28 | icew0lf | ok |
| 13:00.35 | tarzeau | jethro: ahh thanks |
| 13:00.36 | icew0lf | thanks mobyturbo :-) |
| 13:00.40 | aVallark | icewolf: listen to MobyTurbo |
| 13:00.49 | MobyTurbo | icew0lf: np |
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| 13:01.12 | Putiikki | but... i dont use xdm, so if i put "gdm stop" and then kill x, it wont work :( |
| 13:01.29 | icew0lf | bye bye all! I go to try apt :-) |
| 13:01.35 | callipyg1us | Putiikki: so you don't use a login manager? |
| 13:01.40 | nomeata | Has anyone the adobe svg plugin working? It runs here, context menu works, but nothing but white is displayed. |
| 13:01.47 | Putiikki | callipyg1us: i use gdm |
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| 13:01.56 | callipyg1us | gdm is like a front end to xdm |
| 13:02.02 | callipyg1us | so stop xdm, and gdm will stop |
| 13:02.15 | Putiikki | but i dont have xdm |
| 13:02.23 | Baby | you don't need xdm to have gdm |
| 13:02.28 | peterS | callipyg1us: ummm, no. gdm and xdm are separate packages |
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| 13:02.33 | Baby | i think they're independent things |
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| 13:02.39 | peterS | yes, they are |
| 13:02.45 | yoo | hi everybody ! |
| 13:02.46 | nullvoid | gdm is not front to xdm, gdm or xdm |
| 13:02.49 | shingouz | Putiikki: /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or killall gdm) |
| 13:03.02 | Putiikki | i try |
| 13:03.33 | Putiikki | thats worked, thanks |
| 13:03.35 | callipyg1us | yeah, they're separate |
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| 13:03.58 | callipyg1us | they aren't, hmm ok |
| 13:04.01 | aVallark | check out the gdm theme .. debBlue.. it rox! |
| 13:04.03 | aVallark | nice |
| 13:04.25 | shingouz | Putiikki: if you do not want the system to boot into X, apt-get remove --purge gsm |
| 13:04.44 | aVallark | shingouz: didnt u mean gdm? |
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| 13:04.51 | shingouz | uhh. yes |
| 13:04.53 | shingouz | typo |
| 13:04.58 | Jaano | hi there |
| 13:05.03 | aVallark | shingouz: np |
| 13:05.12 | aVallark | Jaano: hi Jaano :) |
| 13:05.12 | shingouz | Putiikki: s/gsm/gdm of course |
| 13:05.55 | callipyg1us | there is kdm and entrance aswell ;) |
| 13:06.03 | callipyg1us | entrance being pretty cool |
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| 13:06.24 | Putiikki | shingouz: no, i wanted just shut the x session |
| 13:06.27 | Jaano | I'm using debian and am pretty new to it, so forgive my ignorance :) I Use a iomega HDD 160GB USB Mass Storage Device and pluged it in but I don't know which device that is I have to mount now. |
| 13:06.32 | shingouz | Putiikki: k |
| 13:06.49 | aVallark | Putiikki: just do : sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 13:06.50 | Baby | probably /dev/sda1 Jaano |
| 13:07.00 | shingouz | Jaano: look into dmesg |
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| 13:07.16 | Putiikki | aVallark: i _wanted_ ;) |
| 13:07.55 | aVallark | Putiikki: nevermind! :) |
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| 13:08.24 | aVallark | hey guys anyone;s got any link to an 'industrial' lookalike to sawfish themes? |
| 13:08.27 | evilissimo | hi |
| 13:08.55 | Jaano | shingouz: thank you, it says scsi0 found Storage device at 2 |
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| 13:09.59 | shingouz | Jaano: now you just need to figure out which device it is, i believe it has to be /dev/sda if you do not have anything else SCSI there |
| 13:10.17 | resiak | aVallark: ST[F]W |
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| 13:10.50 | Jaano | shingouz: no, it's a laptop with only two usb ports |
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| 13:11.08 | lunitik | resiak: you know, most people say that when they know something is easy to find... you're just saying it to be a prick |
| 13:11.26 | shingouz | Jaano: and if it is not an old macintosh or an IBM RS/6000 Thinkpad you do not have scsi there at all :) |
| 13:11.35 | resiak | lunitik: I'm saying it because it's the sanest way to go about finding something. |
| 13:11.42 | Jaano | no no no for sure not :D |
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| 13:11.49 | shingouz | otot, neither of the laptops i mentioned have USB |
| 13:12.01 | lunitik | resiak: try it... it doesn't exist... thus your comment is useless, and makes you look like a t00l |
| 13:12.14 | resiak | lunitik: Well, if it doesn't exist, then he won't find it here, will he? |
| 13:12.39 | lunitik | resiak: you could have just not said shit... rather than go out of your way to be a prick |
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| 13:13.27 | paulswm | lunitik: It's you that's being the prick, so stfu |
| 13:13.54 | lunitik | paulswm: umm... ok... thanks for the input |
| 13:14.00 | resiak | lunitik: The point is that people can't just come in here and ask things to which the only answer is "If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist". |
| 13:14.20 | akazero | hello can someone tell me a good server for downloading movies? |
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| 13:14.33 | lunitik | resiak: how is that the point? the point is, you don't have to address people if you don't know the answer |
| 13:14.36 | drac | akazero: wrong channel, try #warez ? |
| 13:14.38 | resiak | akazero: #WaReZ |
| 13:14.42 | shingouz | akazero: this is not a warez channel |
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| 13:14.57 | akazero | thnx |
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| 13:15.06 | shingouz | geeee... |
| 13:15.12 | resiak | Hahah, he actually believed us. |
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| 13:15.17 | drac | :) |
| 13:15.37 | shingouz | lets see if he shows up here in a few minutes to ask where the fsck the channel is... or why it is so empty |
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| 13:16.22 | rw | i've apt-get -d install (download only) a few packages, now I would like to install them. How should I proceed? |
| 13:16.55 | lunitik | rw: dpkg -i the_packages_in_/var/cache/apt/archive ? |
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| 13:17.57 | rw | lunitik, isn't that insane? |
| 13:18.08 | rw | lunitik, im talking about 1k packages |
| 13:18.20 | rw | 995 to be exacly. |
| 13:18.25 | resiak | rw: Only dpkg -i the ones you downloaded |
| 13:18.48 | rw | here goes the for then... |
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| 13:18.51 | resiak | rw: They happen to be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:19.04 | resiak | rw: You can do dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb baz.deb etc |
| 13:19.16 | rw | resiak, but there are some packages that are already installed |
| 13:19.20 | paulswm | resiak: can't rw just do apt-get install on the packages |
| 13:19.35 | lunitik | rw: ok... so don't install those again? why did you even use -d? |
| 13:19.37 | resiak | paulswm: ...of course [s]he can |
| 13:19.49 | rw | lunitik, because I had to download 1000 packages. |
| 13:19.50 | paulswm | well that's the easiest then surely |
| 13:19.56 | rw | i already did dpkg -i * |
| 13:20.01 | resiak | :/ |
| 13:20.07 | rw | will take an year probably |
| 13:20.11 | paulswm | roh-roh |
| 13:20.39 | lunitik | rw: uhh... so instead of doing that automatically.... you decided that downloading and installing manually was a saner solution for installing 1000 packages? |
| 13:21.16 | Jaano | shingouz: it says that I ned to specify the filesystem... which is that? |
| 13:21.34 | lunitik | Jaano: what are you trying to mount? |
| 13:21.36 | shingouz | Jaano: no idea. what kind of a thing is it you are trying to mount? |
| 13:21.42 | Jaano | shingouz: a usb mass storage device |
| 13:21.43 | rw | lunitik, have you tried to apt-get install 1000 packages on a 256k connection and having to look at the monitor every hour and see a prompt for configuring one of them? The solution I took is faster. |
| 13:21.55 | shingouz | Jaano: more specific please |
| 13:22.13 | Jaano | shingouz: iomega hdd 160GB |
| 13:22.17 | lunitik | rw: Uhh... yes... I watched a few movies and slept :/ |
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| 13:22.33 | shingouz | Jaano: has it been used before on windows or sometihng? |
| 13:22.38 | rw | lunitik, what about the configuration/questions? |
| 13:22.48 | shingouz | Jaano: if it has, try fat or ntfs |
| 13:22.48 | resiak | !tell rw about away |
| 13:22.49 | jethro | !tell rw -about awat |
| 13:22.51 | jethro | !tell rw -about away |
| 13:23.00 | Jaano | shingouz: yes!! I suppose really hard that it is fat32 or ntfs though |
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| 13:23.03 | dave_ | hi |
| 13:23.21 | shingouz | Jaano: try fat and hope that it is not ntfs ;) |
| 13:23.21 | lunitik | rw: apt_preferences has an 'assume yes' option I believe :/ |
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| 13:23.30 | shingouz | !tell Jaano about ntfs |
| 13:23.33 | rw | lunitik, that's not sane :) |
| 13:23.45 | dave_ | I have some problems when i'm booting my kernel |
| 13:23.53 | rw | lunitik, and it's not always a logical question. |
| 13:23.58 | dave_ | somebody can help me please? |
| 13:24.02 | lunitik | rw: sure it is, if you haven't customized many config options :/ |
| 13:24.22 | shingouz | dave_ any possiblity that you tell us a bit more about the problem? |
| 13:24.28 | dave_ | ok |
| 13:24.30 | Jaano | shingouz: fs type fat32 not supported by kernel hehe |
| 13:24.38 | shingouz | Jaano: fat |
| 13:24.49 | Jaano | shingouz: the same |
| 13:24.56 | lunitik | rw: always safer to choose yes than most other answers... chances are, when asked those questions, the config files have changed fairly drastically anyways |
| 13:24.57 | shingouz | vfat? |
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| 13:25.26 | shingouz | Jaano: vfat? |
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| 13:25.29 | mattboll | hi |
| 13:25.31 | Jaano | shingouz: yeah man that was a strike :D |
| 13:25.37 | shingouz | :) |
| 13:25.40 | Jaano | shingouz: thanks a lot :) |
| 13:25.45 | shingouz | np |
| 13:25.55 | dave_ | the error says: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/my-kernel/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 13:26.06 | mattboll | i've got a script that i want to execute on the boot, why doesn't it works when i put it in /etc/init.d ? |
| 13:26.25 | Tubez | Greetings! Does anyone have any bright ideas on getting susped to XXX to work on a void of teh FX50x persuasion? Just eching 3/4/5 into /proc/acpi/sleep doesnt seem to do it. |
| 13:26.34 | Tubez | And swsusp2 dies on resume. |
| 13:26.50 | shingouz | dave_: my-kernel? really? i think you installed the kernel in some weird and wonderful way. did you use make-kpkg when you compiled it? |
| 13:26.50 | dave_ | shingouz: the error says: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/my-kernel/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 13:26.55 | Tubez | Eeep, I mean a VAIO, not a void. Programming deformation. |
| 13:27.00 | rw | lunitik, even if you use assume-yes you will be prompted for questions like "Do you want to run CVS/ssh/apache?" "Do you want to support protocol 2 only?" "whatever?" |
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| 13:27.14 | mattboll | well i think that with +x could be better :/ |
| 13:27.21 | dave_ | no, i didn't use that |
| 13:27.26 | mattboll | i reboot to test |
| 13:27.49 | shingouz | dave_: how did you compile the kernel then? make bzimage && make install? |
| 13:27.51 | dave_ | o well my-kernel == the nickname to the true route |
| 13:28.14 | dave_ | make bzImage modules modules_install |
| 13:28.16 | shingouz | !tell dave_ about kp |
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| 13:28.29 | shingouz | you can use the same .config though |
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| 13:28.42 | Tubez | No bright ideas huh? It should "just work"? |
| 13:29.06 | shingouz | dave_: hell of a lot easier to compile and install as you can use dpkg to slap the kernel in place |
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| 13:29.29 | kings | hello |
| 13:29.36 | resiak | Tubez: No, it should just Not Work :) If you find any working way of doing it, let me know. |
| 13:29.50 | Tubez | resiak: glad to know i havent gone stupid ;) |
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| 13:30.00 | resiak | Tubez: Heh. |
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| 13:30.05 | Tubez | Any brands that are known to work? For when i scrap it? |
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| 13:30.06 | kings | I want to compile the linux kernel but I get errors with make meneconfig - lookslike im missing something as dirs are missing - what do I need to apt-get to be able ot compile a kernel ? |
| 13:30.08 | shaym | hello |
| 13:30.19 | shaym | is there a bug on cdrecord with kernel 2.6.8-2 |
| 13:30.24 | Tubez | kings: ncurd |
| 13:30.25 | shingouz | !tell kings about kp |
| 13:30.29 | shaym | with cd datas |
| 13:30.32 | shaym | not audio |
| 13:30.35 | Tubez | eep |
| 13:30.53 | jahi | hi, how can i get the packageinformation for a specific package? |
| 13:31.07 | shingouz | jahi: apt-cache show foo |
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| 13:31.28 | jahi | shingouz: cool thx |
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| 13:31.36 | shingouz | :) |
| 13:31.44 | krisskiller | hi :) |
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| 13:31.51 | kings | thanks :) |
| 13:32.00 | krisskiller | you welcome :) |
| 13:32.02 | Jaano | shingouz: I would like that users without root priviledge could use the /mnt/usb folder for file browsing, I thought about making a group usb and adding my users to them, but how do I link the group to that folder permissionwise? |
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| 13:32.39 | shingouz | Jaano: why not add the sda to fstab and put the permissions there? man fstab |
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| 13:33.34 | Jaano | shingouz: so a normal user could mount the device on his homeDir?? |
| 13:33.59 | shingouz | Jaano: to the specified mountpoint. |
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| 13:34.16 | aVallark | bye all |
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| 13:34.58 | mattboll | well not better |
| 13:35.02 | drac | Hmm, I have these files 'dbootstrap_settings' and 'install-report.template' been in /root since installation. Can they be safely removed? |
| 13:35.08 | shingouz | Jaano: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb/sda1 rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 13:35.24 | mattboll | where do you put your iptables script ? |
| 13:35.33 | paulswm | Jaano: also, man chown for file/directory ownership |
| 13:35.35 | shingouz | Jaano: s/users/user |
| 13:35.57 | luctor | I got my mouse x to start now, but the cursor doesnt move. I rebooted and used the old kernel and it worked fine. I have psmouse and |
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| 13:36.33 | shingouz | luctor: you trying to use 2.6? |
| 13:36.41 | hcy | how do you do that dpkg thing to get it to show what it's gonna do without actually doing it? |
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| 13:36.55 | libpcp | hi all |
| 13:36.57 | lunitik | hcy: -s |
| 13:36.58 | Jaano | shingouz: I know chown very well, even the permission numbers by heart :) |
| 13:36.59 | paulswm | hcy: -s |
| 13:37.03 | lunitik | hcy: simulate |
| 13:37.12 | hcy | lunitik, paulswm: thanks |
| 13:37.12 | lunitik | paulswm: beat you, nana |
| 13:37.14 | libpcp | i would like to ask how do i search for a user that has a root or wheel access? |
| 13:37.24 | paulswm | lunitik: Heh |
| 13:37.29 | luctor | shingouz: yes, i fixed it. putting mousedev in /etc/modules made the psmouse modules to unload so i had to add it there too |
| 13:37.32 | lunitik | libpcp: look in /etc/passwd |
| 13:37.39 | lunitik | libpcp: uhh... /etc/group |
| 13:37.44 | shingouz | Jaano: as you are installing the usb storage on a laptop i think the simplest way would be just to chmod the permissions on the mountpoint |
| 13:37.51 | Rawplayer | k |
| 13:37.53 | libpcp | okay |
| 13:37.57 | Rawplayer | if yo say s0 |
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| 13:38.32 | Jaano | shingouz: that's what I thought as well, ok but first have to go to eat :) |
| 13:38.50 | paulswm | There's no wheel in debian |
| 13:38.56 | shingouz | Jaano: try not to snarf the sporl when you eat ;) |
| 13:39.03 | shingouz | spork that is |
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| 13:39.04 | lunitik | paulswm: yes there is... its just not used |
| 13:39.11 | Jaano | hehe |
| 13:39.15 | shingouz | dang, i think i need some caffeine, i typo too much |
| 13:39.18 | hol | Hi, my printer doesn't work - I installed cups on sarge and can't get it alive |
| 13:39.26 | resiak | hol: What model is it? |
| 13:39.34 | hol | hp 656c |
| 13:39.39 | paulswm | lunitik: that's what I meant |
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| 13:39.41 | shingouz | hol: localhost:631 is the place to configure the printer |
| 13:40.16 | hol | shingouz: yes, I did it, but it will accept no tasks |
| 13:40.20 | resiak | hol: Or (dare I say this) foomatic-gui as root |
| 13:40.35 | hol | thks |
| 13:41.09 | kings | em how do I apt-get ncurses? |
| 13:41.13 | shingouz | hol: and you are sure you have the printer on the specific port you specified and that it is actually on and accepting jobs |
| 13:41.19 | kings | it seems easy but theres no package called ncurses |
| 13:41.24 | shingouz | kings: apt-get install foo |
| 13:41.30 | kings | or ncurses-devel |
| 13:41.40 | kings | well I mean what package do I need ot get them |
| 13:41.47 | shingouz | kings: libncurses5-dev iirc |
| 13:42.04 | paulswm | kings: apt-cache search ncurses |
| 13:42.26 | hol | shingouz: well I hope -; it's a usb printer and so I - maybe I try the 15 other ports ... |
| 13:42.27 | lunitik | kings: Fedora user? ;) |
| 13:42.32 | resiak | !faq kings |
| 13:42.33 | dpkg | kings: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:42.43 | kings | ah thanks :) |
| 13:43.03 | kings | no i was a gentoo user |
| 13:43.05 | shingouz | hol: try lsusb first to ge some hints on where it is. also check the permissions on the usb port |
| 13:43.09 | kings | but now im a debian user :) |
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| 13:43.31 | kings | ah awesome - thanks for the help - all working now :) |
| 13:43.47 | shingouz | kings: apt-get rules :) |
| 13:43.51 | kings | just have to get uses to what is in which package and what the package is called :) |
| 13:43.54 | hol | got him!! |
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| 13:44.07 | shingouz | kings: apt-cache search foo |
| 13:44.24 | shingouz | hol: working now? what was the problem? permissions? |
| 13:44.52 | hol | now - I just found him on #3 - still trying ... |
| 13:44.58 | shingouz | k |
| 13:45.06 | Jaano | shingouz: returned for a pizza break :D |
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| 13:45.37 | Jaano | can I make the fs type auto in fstab? because maybe there will be other devices |
| 13:46.11 | kevinz | hello, i install latex using apt-get, but how to install some latex packages? Sorry to ask question here, but i cannot get help from other where |
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| 13:46.22 | shingouz | Jaano: you could but it doesnt automount it when you plug it in afaik. the auto is to automount at boot time |
| 13:46.48 | Jaano | shingouz: okay |
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| 13:47.15 | shingouz | Jaano: hotplug might help there. not sure though as i do not like hotplug at all |
| 13:47.25 | Jaano | shingouz: me neither |
| 13:47.48 | shingouz | and discover is hell |
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| 13:48.31 | ireverentReveren | I am trying to make a new software raid using the same devices (same disks) and the same /dev/mdX, but i get an error saying mdX already initialized. How do i fix that? |
| 13:48.55 | lunitik | shingouz: umm... hotplug is sweet... try activating it and pluggin a cam in sometime... works with no configuration... discover works too |
| 13:49.27 | lunitik | shingouz: beats the hell out of wasting 10-20 mins probing devices :/ |
| 13:49.47 | MobyTurbo | I like usbmgr better, though I don't know if it supports as much as hotplug |
| 13:49.48 | shingouz | lunitik: and on a few thinkpads it screws up the sound and pcmcia so hard it takes several hours to sort it out. been there and have the scars to prove it |
| 13:50.36 | paulswm | For my setup, hotplug is just a mechanism to generate scary and pointless error messages on boot |
| 13:50.47 | shingouz | paulswm: sounds familiar |
| 13:51.04 | lunitik | paulswm: /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 13:51.37 | xerophyte | i have 100Mbs pipe, my upload works fine, but my download only works at 20-30kbs, how can i setup my server it can use the full bandwith and speed up the download i have eth0 configured with my server |
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| 13:52.06 | paulswm | lunitik: 'aptitude purge hotplug' worked for me :) |
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| 13:52.26 | lunitik | paulswm: I usually embrace new technolgy :/ |
| 13:52.29 | tyia | what's The Debian Way to set static routes? |
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| 13:52.42 | shingouz | paulswm: apt-get dont-even-think-about-installing hotplug is one of my defaults :D |
| 13:52.55 | lunitik | tyia: same as everyone elses... via route |
| 13:53.01 | paulswm | lunitik: I don't need it, and long experience tells me to be careful what you cuddle :) |
| 13:53.13 | bizkit | hi, which tool and how to use it for sending myself a test mail with special headers etc. (i want to test filters). i have spammail.msg which is a complete mail source with to headers and so on, i'd just like to "inject" it into the postfix queue :> |
| 13:53.23 | paulswm | shingouz: Good one :) |
| 13:53.26 | tyia | lunitik: c'mon... even dpkg can do better |
| 13:53.29 | tyia | !static route |
| 13:53.29 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:53.32 | shingouz | paulswm: ty |
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| 13:54.00 | tyia | lunitik: I asked for the DEBIAN WAY of doing it |
| 13:54.31 | tyia | dpkg, thank you |
| 13:54.32 | dpkg | tyia: sure thing |
| 13:54.48 | tyia | :) |
| 13:54.54 | shingouz | dpkg botsnack |
| 13:54.54 | dpkg | shingouz: :) |
| 13:56.59 | shingouz | dang. galeon just crashed on me :( |
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| 14:00.16 | Nei | can I display a list of all suggested packages in aptitude? |
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| 14:03.02 | hol | shingouz: /dev/usb contains lp0 only, my printers are configured as lp2 & lp3 - strange? or just dumb? |
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| 14:03.49 | matt_valle | hello |
| 14:03.54 | Pred1 | how can i reinstall the grub in the MBR if an other OS rewrites it and i cant boot on linux? |
| 14:04.10 | matt_valle | i would like some help to explain me how to put my softwares in french |
| 14:04.16 | matt_valle | can somebody helpme out ? |
| 14:04.36 | sussudio | !fr |
| 14:04.36 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 14:05.37 | Pred1 | !hu |
| 14:05.38 | dpkg | i guess hu is Hungary |
| 14:05.54 | shingouz | hol: strange is what i'd say. |
| 14:06.21 | hol | shingouz: So I just copy lp0 to lp2 & 3? |
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| 14:06.59 | Arvind-NL | Pred1, yes you can |
| 14:07.03 | mohohaha | can someone explain to me what jail/chroot is? |
| 14:07.04 | shingouz | hol: huh? copy in cups you mean? yes, use the same settings (or better yet just change the port on cups) |
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| 14:07.23 | Pred1 | Arvind-NL: and how? |
| 14:07.34 | shingouz | !chroot |
| 14:07.35 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 14:07.48 | Arvind-NL | mohohaha, it allows you to run a command in a interacive shell with special root directory |
| 14:08.02 | Arvind-NL | Pred1, apt-get install grub-doc |
| 14:08.12 | mohohaha | so the user feel like he is root, but he is not |
| 14:08.37 | shingouz | mohohaha: not really. the user thinks he is on the / directory even if he is not |
| 14:09.33 | mohohaha | so it's like symbolic link the / for a user |
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| 14:11.15 | George | how do I get modssl for apache2 in debian? |
| 14:11.19 | Arvind-NL | mohohaha, you can create a system where you can do anything without fearing that the main debian instalation will be affected. |
| 14:11.40 | shingouz | mohohaha: not a symbolic link either, it is unbreakable if done correctly. chroot simply does not hte user go any further than the jail |
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| 14:12.31 | mohohaha | but when i chroot to /mnt/jail |
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| 14:12.44 | mohohaha | so everything he install is at /mnt/jai including /usr /bin /var |
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| 14:13.09 | shingouz | mohohaha: if i understand you correctly, yes |
| 14:13.33 | mohohaha | so it's like a new system to the user, correct? |
| 14:13.38 | shingouz | yes |
| 14:14.10 | mohohaha | or it's like a sub system |
| 14:14.21 | shingouz | it is a system inside a system |
| 14:14.28 | jinty | yep |
| 14:14.36 | mohohaha | but what's benefit of that |
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| 14:14.49 | mohohaha | except to compiling and testing stuff |
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| 14:15.29 | shingouz | mohohaha: the user cannot go into the real system to fuck it up. when he tries to cd .. repeatedly he stops at *his* / which is the jail you created |
| 14:15.39 | Arvind-NL | mohohaha, a jail isn't the same as a chroot |
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| 14:16.16 | Garabuyo | I need /usr/bin/php4 for php4-pear.. but package php4-cli don't exist in woody? |
| 14:16.31 | ireverentReveren | how do i uninitialize /dev/md0 or create a new one? |
| 14:16.45 | mohohaha | they both change your /mnt/jail to your / |
| 14:16.52 | mohohaha | ? |
| 14:16.59 | hol | shingouz: I modified printers.conf but still to no avail |
| 14:17.15 | Petererke | is it possible to have the command ping output only 0 or 1 on success or failure ? |
| 14:17.26 | Rawplayer | -c1 ? |
| 14:17.28 | shingouz | hol: why not use your browser and http://localhost:631 |
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| 14:18.02 | hol | shingouz: I have found no place to set this parameter ...:( |
| 14:18.04 | Arvind-NL | ireverentReveren, you can mknod a device and rm -f a device |
| 14:18.14 | orfeu | when i do make xconfig i must have qt ! but i have kde installed and working where i find QTDIR !?? |
| 14:18.17 | ireverentReveren | Arvind-NL ty, i will try that now |
| 14:18.23 | shingouz | hol: *this* parameter being? |
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| 14:19.02 | shingouz | orfeu: make menuconfig. less cruft |
| 14:19.27 | keta | orfeu: you need -dev packages of qt libs |
| 14:19.34 | hol | shingouz: lpn? modify printer lets me just choose USB printer #n |
| 14:19.47 | ireverentReveren | Arvind-NL how do i find out whick options i need to create a software raid device? |
| 14:20.12 | orfeu | thanks ! |
| 14:20.46 | shingouz | hol: remove the printer and create a new one then? the localhost:631 is pretty nice to use unless you are a masochistic and desperately want ot hack on the config files ;) |
| 14:21.43 | hol | shingouz: I know what you mean, but ... well I give it another try. Thanks a lot anyway!! |
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| 14:26.05 | Jaano | hi again |
| 14:27.25 | Jaano | I wonder, my usb connection to a mass storage device using fat32 filesystem and me using ext3 performs really slow in transfer, around 500kbps, is this normal? |
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| 14:29.57 | Cam- | hey guys |
| 14:30.04 | Cam- | just wondering how to use debmirror |
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| 14:30.15 | Cam- | it keeps saying that it cant verify against the gpg key |
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| 14:36.12 | Hell-Man | can anyone tell me where i can find a howto to get my External USB Sony DVD-RW burner too work |
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| 14:37.05 | hali_ | does debian support floppy/cdrom -less installs without a dedicated jumpstart ? |
| 14:37.39 | poli | hali_, what is a dedicated jumpstart? |
| 14:37.55 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 14:37.55 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
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| 14:38.38 | hali_ | thanks valdyn |
| 14:38.48 | valdyn | Hell: read what dpkg said, additionally you should only needmodprobe sg_mod or sg, iirc |
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| 14:39.29 | Jaano | valdyn: thats EXACTLY what I needed too, great bot you have here :D |
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| 14:42.48 | WE_R_DNA | what syncs the time clocks? |
| 14:42.48 | lallo | can multi board band service assign same ip to different user |
| 14:42.53 | lallo | like my ip is 1.1.1.0 |
| 14:42.55 | WE_R_DNA | nsetup? |
| 14:42.59 | lallo | and your is also 1.1.1.0 |
| 14:43.04 | lallo | is that possible? |
| 14:43.34 | valdyn | lallo: that would so fuck up everything |
| 14:43.53 | hali_ | ok, how about the case where i dont have usb-storage? is there some method to install over an existing unix OS ? |
| 14:44.02 | WE_R_DNA | ehlsit |
| 14:44.03 | valdyn | lallo: beside that no host can have such an ip |
| 14:44.13 | Putiikki | WE_R_DNA: syncs clock from the internet? |
| 14:44.18 | WE_R_DNA | yes Putiikki |
| 14:44.40 | Putiikki | ntpdate |
| 14:44.40 | WE_R_DNA | for some reason my entire system starting scrolling super fast through the desktops |
| 14:44.40 | WE_R_DNA | that is messed up |
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| 14:44.47 | lallo | no i mean if my ip is 203.170.0.23 can your ip be the same? |
| 14:44.52 | WE_R_DNA | thank you Putiikki |
| 14:44.56 | lallo | if you are not using the same cable as mine |
| 14:45.05 | valdyn | hali_: !usb-storage has nothing to do with your question about installing debian, tell us what you have available then someone can tell you if its possible to install without a degree in mindreading |
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| 14:45.53 | valdyn | hali_: debtakeover should work from (almost) any unixish OS |
| 14:45.58 | valdyn | !debtakeover |
| 14:45.58 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 14:46.28 | hali_ | cool thats exactly what i am looking for.. |
| 14:46.47 | valdyn | hali_: actually it might no work from *bsd, thats it |
| 14:47.02 | WE_R_DNA | dpkg, http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover does not exisit |
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| 14:47.25 | valdyn | WE_R_DNA: try google |
| 14:47.27 | valdyn | !bot |
| 14:47.27 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 14:47.52 | WE_R_DNA | not working |
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| 14:48.10 | JRWR | Where can i find a Perl/PHP script, where it would do the following::Open a pop3 account, then with all the emails in that account send them to email address |
| 14:48.16 | valdyn | hali_: you can also install debian in chroot manually via dfs |
| 14:48.18 | valdyn | !dfs |
| 14:48.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. |
| 14:48.35 | JRWR | wow a new installer? |
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| 14:48.50 | valdyn | JRWR: that is not really an installer |
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| 14:49.32 | Skaag | Any reason why I would not be able to route between these two networks: |
| 14:49.32 | Skaag | 212.199.212.216 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:49.32 | Skaag | 212.199.212.128 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.224 U 0 0 0 eth2 |
| 14:49.32 | JRWR | i got debian installed im fine |
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| 14:49.41 | cdc | how do i configure send mail in my system |
| 14:49.44 | cdc | i am using Debian Sarge |
| 14:49.46 | JRWR | yo many numbers? |
| 14:49.51 | JRWR | to* |
| 14:49.52 | Skaag | cdc: just use the default exim4 |
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| 14:50.15 | cdc | i ve installed send mail and i want to do this because i am developing a project with mailing support so need to check whether mailing works |
| 14:50.28 | cdc | Skaag, i dont know how to configure exim nor sendmail |
| 14:50.40 | cdc | its a php based project so i am running at http://localhost |
| 14:50.50 | cdc | so whats that i ve to specify in exim could you please help me? |
| 14:51.33 | cdc | can anyone tell me where would the mail logs be found in debian? |
| 14:51.53 | JRWR | haha |
| 14:52.00 | JRWR | your webserver is wide open |
| 14:52.27 | cdc | JRWR, wide open ? :-) |
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| 14:52.44 | cdc | JRWR, could you please help me? |
| 14:52.45 | JRWR | yes i just opened FF and put in your IP |
| 14:52.47 | abrotman | JRWR: don't do that |
| 14:53.00 | pappy- | JRWR: please do not scare him. |
| 14:53.07 | JRWR | lol |
| 14:53.08 | cdc | JRWR, what is FF |
| 14:53.09 | JRWR | well it is |
| 14:53.12 | abrotman | just plain don't be a dick |
| 14:53.13 | JRWR | Firefox |
| 14:53.13 | pappy- | firefox |
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| 14:53.44 | abrotman | JRWR: stop now |
| 14:53.56 | JRWR | lol |
| 14:54.03 | cdc | JRWR, please dont open those |
| 14:54.04 | abrotman | it's not funny you fucking asshole |
| 14:54.06 | JRWR | he should be worryed |
| 14:54.16 | cdc | i need help |
| 14:54.18 | cdc | thats it |
| 14:54.34 | valdyn | cdc: /var/log/mail.* |
| 14:54.34 | cdc | but u seem to destroy something i guess |
| 14:54.55 | valdyn | cdc: and /var/log/exim4/* |
| 14:54.55 | pappy- | cdc: first thing i would do now is /etc/init.d/apache stop if nothing depends on it |
| 14:54.59 | abrotman | JRWR: stop being a fucking asshole ... he's here for help .. and you're going through his web server |
| 14:55.03 | pappy- | cdc: it seems you are worried about some data on your webserver. |
| 14:55.14 | cdc | pappy-, yes |
| 14:55.23 | JRWR | i would just put a blank index.html file on there |
| 14:55.45 | JRWR | and you will be fine |
| 14:55.45 | pappy- | cdc: then you should either learn about a) firewalling your internal machine or b) configuring the listening address of the apache |
| 14:55.45 | abrotman | JRWR: i would stop being a dick |
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| 14:55.45 | Valera | Ïðčâåōû, ęîãî íå âčäåë! |
| 14:55.55 | JRWR | not trying to be |
| 14:55.58 | cdc | pappy-, how do i do that in linux? |
| 14:56.01 | abrotman | JRWR: yes .. you are |
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| 14:56.39 | JRWR | i just let ppl know that a open webserver is very common and VERY unsafe |
| 14:56.46 | abrotman | JRWR: shut up .. |
| 14:57.17 | pappy- | JRWR: yes, and we are thankful for that. can we go on now helping? |
| 14:57.18 | valdyn | JRWR: bullshit |
| 14:57.28 | cdc | abrotman, i would be grateful to you if you could help me with 2 things one is how to configure send mail and the other one is how to protect my system |
| 14:57.53 | pappy- | cdc: for beginners, configuring exim is easier with Debian than sendmail |
| 14:57.55 | lallo | no i mean if my ip is 203.170.0.23 can your ip be the same? |
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| 14:57.57 | lallo | if you are not using the same cable as mine |
| 14:58.00 | pappy- | cdc: because you can have a better learning curve. |
| 14:58.00 | abrotman | cdc: start by shutting down unneeded services |
| 14:58.18 | pappy- | lallo: an ip identifies a communication endpoint in a network. |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | cdc: and it's probably easier to use exim |
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| 14:58.28 | valdyn | lallo: no it cannot EXCEPT for private networks that are not sharing ip w/ each other |
| 14:58.31 | pappy- | lallo: two machines with the same ip means they cannot communicate. |
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| 14:59.02 | Nei | does someone happen to know how to get my joystick-mouse to work? I configured gpm with /dev/input/js0 and js but it doesn't really work.. I could move the cursor to the lower right edge of screen, but nothing esle |
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| 14:59.34 | pappy- | cdc: search on google for "exim config" or "exim manual" or "exim example configuration" |
| 14:59.36 | valdyn | Nei: calibrate your joystick? |
| 14:59.54 | pappy- | cdc: you basically need to configure relaying for your local machines, a little ACL supporting that and a smarthost if possible |
| 15:00.16 | pappy- | cdc: and the debian package helps you |
| 15:00.25 | xai | is there a way to retrive a log for #debian? |
| 15:00.25 | pappy- | cdc: because it asks you when installing what you would like to setup |
| 15:00.45 | pappy- | adduser-plugin-eximconf - Specific Exim mail server configuration plugin |
| 15:00.45 | pappy- | adduser-plugin-eximconf4 - Specific Exim mta (version 4.x) server configuration plugin |
| 15:00.50 | cdc | pappy-, when i executed it showed me 5 options |
| 15:00.51 | pappy- | cdc: and this will help you later on |
| 15:00.58 | sveglio | hello |
| 15:01.00 | sveglio | I have a problem with wine, can someone help me? |
| 15:01.02 | cdc | i chose option 2 |
| 15:01.04 | Nei | valdyn, it is auto-calibrated |
| 15:01.10 | useruser | is there a way to make qt apps use a smaller font size for the ui? |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 15:01.26 | jim | people log this channel? o_0 |
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| 15:01.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:01.54 | abrotman | Piggy: i'm gonna eat you! |
| 15:02.12 | pappy- | cdc: join #flood |
| 15:02.19 | poli | pappy-, shoot |
| 15:02.26 | pappy- | poli: sorry? |
| 15:02.54 | poli | pappy-, paste your text. :) |
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| 15:03.07 | pappy- | poli: it is too much, i was going to direct him through my exim.conf here |
| 15:03.33 | poli | pappy-, Too much for #flood? |
| 15:03.41 | pappy- | no, too much for #debian |
| 15:03.50 | poli | pappy-, paste on #flood. :) |
| 15:03.58 | pappy- | he is not on the channel? |
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| 15:04.01 | updala | hi |
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| 15:04.57 | chimun | starting dbus-1 is making my computer crash. is there any common reason for this? |
| 15:05.08 | chimun | the computer totally freezes, and requires a powerbtn reboot |
| 15:05.08 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:05.09 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, ... |
| 15:05.24 | updala | i ve installed xorg 6.8.2 from sources it worked nice.. very fast all ok.. then i installed bootsplash, which uses framebuffer, now i get fatal server error: xorg cant boot in framebuffer mode.. how can i shutdown automatically vesafb? |
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| 15:05.41 | abrotman | updala: xorg isn't in debian |
| 15:05.52 | valdyn | !xorg debs |
| 15:05.52 | dpkg | xorg debs are at http://debian.linux-systeme.com, if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server |
| 15:05.58 | chimun | anyone else have problems with dbus-1? |
| 15:06.04 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:06.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install ... |
| 15:06.06 | abrotman | go look |
| 15:06.20 | updala | abrotman, i kno i installed it from sources.. |
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| 15:06.37 | abrotman | updala: not #debian's problem .. ask the xorg people |
| 15:06.42 | chimun | abrotman there is no bug relating to my problem |
| 15:06.56 | chimun | that's why i was wondering if anyone else here had similar problems, which were not in fact a bug. |
| 15:06.57 | abrotman | chimun: did you check the archived reports ? |
| 15:06.59 | updala | abrotman, they dont kno either |
| 15:07.03 | chimun | abrotman no |
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| 15:07.12 | chimun | abrotman if they're archived, wouldn't the bug be closed? |
| 15:07.14 | updala | abauer, its not a xorg problem.. |
| 15:07.18 | abrotman | updala: that doesn't make this the right place .. debian does not have xorg packages |
| 15:07.37 | updala | abrotman, but framebuffer and bootsplash and there is the problem.. |
| 15:07.42 | karim | hi |
| 15:07.49 | abrotman | chimun: yes .. but possibly the fix isn't on your system yet ... or perhaps it was something else and the fix might be there |
| 15:07.56 | karim | what tool can be used to synchronise imap accounts ? |
| 15:07.59 | abrotman | updala: use xfree86 packages ... |
| 15:08.17 | chimun | abrotman checked the archived reports. no reports about freezing when dbus-1 is started |
| 15:08.34 | abrotman | chimun: then i'm not sure .. you can try contacting the maintainer |
| 15:08.40 | abrotman | !maint dbus-1 |
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| 15:08.42 | dpkg | dbus-1: D-Bus Maintainance Team <debian-dbus@fooishbar.org> |
| 15:08.55 | updala | abrotman, it would be the same.. as it cant start in framebuffer mode.. i just want to know how to shutdown vesafb before login starts.. |
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| 15:09.21 | abrotman | don't use vesa at all ? |
| 15:09.38 | updala | abrotman, and also not bootsplash? |
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| 15:09.53 | abrotman | !info bootsplash |
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| 15:10.03 | abrotman | that's not in debian either .... |
| 15:10.07 | abrotman | are you even using debian ? |
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| 15:10.16 | elirips | what is the name of the fontserver-package? |
| 15:10.41 | updala | abrotman, its a changed debian but bootsplash is little app which shows a splashscreen while bootin.. |
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| 15:11.07 | abrotman | so you've mucked with your kernel .. chnaged your xserver .. and this is debian's fault how ? |
| 15:11.39 | Rawplayer | can you install a linux install under linux? |
| 15:11.43 | updala | do i have to get woody and watch gtk1.00 or whatever scrimbling.. |
| 15:11.45 | abrotman | !uml |
| 15:11.46 | dpkg | i guess uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches |
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| 15:12.38 | abrotman | updala: no .. but you've compiled a custom kernel .. and your own xserver .. try a debian kernel-image .. and xfree packages .. see if your problem goes away |
| 15:12.51 | Random832 | anyone know where i can get unofficial deb packages of xorg? [dpkg's "get xorg" listing isn't what i want] |
| 15:13.13 | abrotman | !xorg debs |
| 15:13.14 | dpkg | xorg debs are at http://debian.linux-systeme.com, if you are in one of the countries permitted to access that server |
| 15:13.26 | updala | abrotman, for bootsplash i have to patch the kernel.. so i cant get the standard.. |
| 15:13.30 | abrotman | Random832: not supported here |
| 15:13.36 | Rawplayer | Due expanded international download traffic the costs exploded. |
| 15:13.36 | Rawplayer | I am very sorry :-( |
| 15:13.37 | Rawplayer | Questions? Mail me: Marc-Christian Petersen |
| 15:13.40 | abrotman | updala: then don't use bootsplash |
| 15:13.44 | Rawplayer | @ abrotman |
| 15:13.49 | dark_enigma | updala: bootsplash for which boot manager? |
| 15:13.50 | resiak | abrotman: That page is dead. |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | Rawplayer: oh well |
| 15:13.58 | Rawplayer | :P |
| 15:13.59 | dark_enigma | updala: i am using grub and it works fine with the debian-packages |
| 15:14.01 | updala | dark_enigma, grub |
| 15:14.05 | Random832 | abrotman: that doesn't mean i can't ask here |
| 15:14.14 | Random832 | i know i'm on my own if i run into problems with it |
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| 15:15.08 | Rawplayer | its not possable to start the linux installation under linux again righT? |
| 15:15.08 | cdc | can anyone tell me how to configure exim4 |
| 15:15.10 | cdc | in debian |
| 15:15.15 | cdc | i need it badly |
| 15:15.15 | dark_enigma | updala: it works for me (you have to use unstable i think, to make grub splash-enabled) |
| 15:15.25 | abrotman | Rawplayer: /msg dpkg uml ... or xen .. or bochs |
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| 15:15.27 | pappy- | cdc: did you apt-get install it? |
| 15:15.35 | lqgusso | hello everybody |
| 15:15.36 | abrotman | cdc: eximconfig ? |
| 15:15.37 | cdc | pappy-, yes thats all done |
| 15:15.37 | updala | dark_enigma, what r ur inserts in grub? |
| 15:15.41 | resiak | !r |
| 15:15.41 | dpkg | hmm... r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 15:15.41 | resiak | !ur |
| 15:15.42 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 15:15.51 | abrotman | dark_enigma: you're talking about something different |
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| 15:16.10 | abrotman | are you guys talking about bootsplash or grub splash ? |
| 15:16.19 | lqgusso | anybody can help me? |
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| 15:16.27 | abrotman | !ask |
| 15:16.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 15:16.28 | dark_enigma | updala abrotman: i see... bootsplash, not grub splash, right? |
| 15:16.31 | Random832 | anyone know what's wrong with apt-get.org? |
| 15:16.34 | cdc | abrotman, when i give eximconfig i get bad command |
| 15:16.37 | abrotman | dark_enigma: dunno ... |
| 15:16.42 | abrotman | cdc: as root ? |
| 15:16.43 | Random832 | "1 sites and 4 packages matched. Search took 4.818 seconds." but it won't tell me the site it claims it matched |
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| 15:16.49 | abrotman | Random832: overloaded ? |
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| 15:17.10 | cdc | as root too and as well as an user both doesnt work |
| 15:17.12 | Random832 | abrotman: it searches fine - just claims nothing found but tells me the packages it found and tells me it found 1 site |
| 15:17.14 | cdc | but exim is there |
| 15:17.25 | resiak | cdc: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 15:17.26 | elirips | what am i missing that my xserver is working? i get: 'Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!' what am i doing wrong? |
| 15:17.31 | dark_enigma | updala: in case it's grub's splash-screen, it's "splashimage=(hd0,3)/boot/grub/splashimages/Dark_Eye.xpm.gz" in the menu.lst |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | cdc: exim<tab><tab> .. look for it |
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| 15:17.47 | lqgusso | i use a brazilian distro |
| 15:17.55 | abrotman | not debian eh? |
| 15:17.58 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 15:17.59 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 15:18.19 | lqgusso | and i wanted to knopw if it need to install a firewall or a antivirus |
| 15:18.30 | abrotman | lqgusso: wrong channel |
| 15:18.32 | lqgusso | based on debian |
| 15:18.37 | updala | dark_enigma, no i dont mean the grub splash screen.. i mean the bootsplash entries.. |
| 15:18.51 | lqgusso | abrotman my distro is based on debian |
| 15:18.56 | dark_enigma | updala: sorry, joined way too late, it seems |
| 15:19.05 | abrotman | lqgusso: but it's not debian .. go to the channel for your distro |
| 15:19.17 | will | whats up |
| 15:19.21 | updala | i get this error dark_enigma |
| 15:19.22 | updala | fatal server error Cannot run in framebuffer mode.Please specify |
| 15:19.22 | updala | busIDs for all framebuffer devices |
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| 15:19.35 | updala | how can i do that? |
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| 15:19.56 | lqgusso | abrotman, this channel is about what? |
| 15:20.03 | dark_enigma | updala: i am not sure... is disabling framebuffer support for your graphic-card an option? |
| 15:20.04 | marcel_ | hi |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | lqgusso: debian .. not stuff based on debian |
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| 15:20.21 | jim | updala: what, you're allergic to console mode? |
| 15:20.47 | abrotman | does it matter? .. it's not in debian ... |
| 15:21.01 | lqgusso | ok, i just want to know if linux need to install some security system? |
| 15:21.06 | updala | dark_enigma, i dont kno |
| 15:21.11 | abrotman | lqgusso: go to the channel for your distro |
| 15:21.17 | abrotman | or ##linux |
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| 15:21.25 | updala | jim, i found a very nice wallpaper.. for that.. |
| 15:21.27 | lqgusso | because windows i have a firewall and a antivir |
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| 15:21.34 | abrotman | lqgusso: go to the channel for your distro or ##linux ... |
| 15:21.35 | Nei | would someone know how I can calibrate my joystick for gpm, or where to find help concerning this? |
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| 15:21.42 | lqgusso | ok, thanks |
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| 15:22.23 | jim | lqgusso: also see netfilter.org for how to set up firewalls, what's networking and other burning questions |
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| 15:22.49 | tyia | where can I find a recommended configuration (list of options) for a server kernel (2.6)? |
| 15:22.57 | jim | rusty's remarkably unreliable guides are usually pretty good |
| 15:23.14 | updala | hmm.. ppl from xorg xfree86 dont want to help either.. |
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| 15:23.26 | jim | tyia: in /boot |
| 15:23.32 | lqgusso | jim, is www.notifilter.org? |
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| 15:23.41 | lqgusso | netfilter |
| 15:23.44 | jim | nEtfilter |
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| 15:23.59 | jim | I think so;' there are mirrors |
| 15:24.22 | tyia | jim: no, I mean on the web... what are the recommended options, like should I use preemption in a server box or not etc |
| 15:24.33 | lqgusso | jim, do you know other channel by linux? |
| 15:24.47 | jim | tyia: those are fairly big questions |
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| 15:25.04 | abrotman | lqgusso: what is the name of your distro ? |
| 15:25.16 | lqgusso | kalango, |
| 15:25.21 | jim | lqgusso: are you an english speaker? or what language do you want? |
| 15:25.30 | lqgusso | is a new distro |
| 15:25.41 | lqgusso | portuguese |
| 15:25.41 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 15:25.41 | dpkg | hmm... portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 15:25.52 | lqgusso | sorry if my english is not good |
| 15:26.00 | jim | no, it's fine |
| 15:26.08 | davi | !espaņol |
| 15:26.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:26.11 | jim | but I figured you might prefer something closer |
| 15:26.26 | lqgusso | obg dpkg |
| 15:26.39 | lqgusso | Jim, where are you from? |
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| 15:27.50 | jim | I am from everything and nothing... nowhere and everywhere... here and there... umm, I dunno! |
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| 15:28.13 | jim | western US |
| 15:28.15 | lqgusso | ...smiles, |
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| 15:28.27 | lqgusso | what's the state? |
| 15:28.34 | jim | confusion |
| 15:28.40 | Zitter | hi, I can't use xmms on normal user (yes with root). I've added user in audio group but it still doen't work. Any hint? |
| 15:28.56 | jim | the one I' |
| 15:28.58 | elirips | what can be the problem: if i do a 'startx', the screen stays dark for 3 seconds, then for 1 second you see x, and then it just shuts down again. in /var/log/XFree86.0.log are NO error (lines starting with EE). on the console neither, the last line is just a 'waiting for x server to shut down'. i don't get it what's wrong??? |
| 15:28.59 | abrotman | logout /login ? |
| 15:28.59 | Koffa | md: write_disk_sb failed for device sda8 |
| 15:29.00 | jim | am in! |
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| 15:29.12 | Koffa | any ideas? 2.6.10-1-386 with sata_promise |
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| 15:29.36 | lunitik | jim: Arizona here... anywhere near there? :) |
| 15:29.40 | lqgusso | i'm from Brazil |
| 15:30.01 | boris | texas |
| 15:30.05 | lunitik | lqgusso: Ronaldo rules :) |
| 15:30.15 | Bizarro_paco | michigan here |
| 15:30.18 | Zitter | sheva is better :D |
| 15:30.19 | lunitik | plus Kaka... he looks brilliant |
| 15:30.27 | jim | but as far as preemption and realtime... I probably wouldn't put those on a server box unless absolutely necessary |
| 15:30.28 | lqgusso | lunitik, do you like soccer? |
| 15:30.38 | lunitik | Zitter: not really... all he does is score goals, no flair |
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| 15:30.48 | lunitik | lqgusso: you could say that :) |
| 15:30.57 | lunitik | lqgusso: Chelsea 8) |
| 15:31.17 | Zitter | lunitik, ronaldo is finished. Maybe ronaldinho is the best, now |
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| 15:31.23 | lqgusso | yesterday night i saw real madrid vs desportivo la curuna |
| 15:31.37 | Zitter | 2-0, great depo :) |
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| 15:31.40 | boris | antone know of a good DIVX transcoding utility? |
| 15:31.43 | lqgusso | Ronaldo, Zidane and Raul was out |
| 15:31.47 | jim | flair is for s. american soccer players who can run faster than all spectators in case he doesn't make the goal :) |
| 15:31.51 | lunitik | Zitter: Ronaldo of Man Utd is good too... Ronaldinho just got world player of the year... Kaka is exciting though |
| 15:31.55 | disasm | boris: transcode |
| 15:31.57 | lunitik | And Adriano |
| 15:32.10 | boris | convert mpeg2 to divx |
| 15:32.17 | Zitter | lunitik, adriano of course |
| 15:32.19 | lqgusso | lunitik are you european? |
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| 15:32.33 | Zitter | tonight milan-inter.... sheva vs adriano |
| 15:32.35 | jim | I heard some story about a soccer player who was hurt by spectators who didn't like the outcome of the game |
| 15:32.38 | lunitik | lqgusso: yes... English |
| 15:32.44 | lunitik | Living in Arizona though |
| 15:32.49 | lqgusso | i know i will see that game |
| 15:33.04 | abrotman | resiak: it's #everydamndistroandsoccer |
| 15:33.20 | jim | I need a football driver for gpm |
| 15:33.21 | Zitter | what's hal? is related to my audio problem? |
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| 15:33.29 | lqgusso | you know about many brazilian players |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | !hal |
| 15:33.30 | dpkg | methinks hal is (Hardware Abstraction Layer) This is the portion of the operating system that lets programs deal with hardware directly. This allows programs needing more speed from the computer to bypass the standard OS calls to hardware. So instead of calling the Windows' API to draw a dialog box, you would go through the pain of actually drawing it out line by ... |
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| 15:33.37 | lunitik | Zitter: aww... we don't get Italian games here :( |
| 15:34.08 | lunitik | lqgusso: you can't support football, and not know the stylish Brazilians :) |
| 15:34.36 | Zitter | do you think is related to the fact that audio doen't work with normal user? |
| 15:34.40 | Koffa | hmm.. both disks seem to be timing out |
| 15:34.43 | lunitik | lqgusso: Although, I was routing for Italy in '94 :o |
| 15:34.51 | Koffa | anyone had similar problems with sata? |
| 15:35.02 | lunitik | Zitter: adduser somefuck audio |
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| 15:35.23 | abrotman | lunitik: he already said he did that |
| 15:35.31 | lunitik | abrotman: I knew that |
| 15:35.32 | Zitter | lunitik, user is laso in audio group |
| 15:35.37 | abrotman | but jeez .. all this soccer .. who could see that |
| 15:35.39 | Zitter | *also |
| 15:35.46 | lunitik | Zitter: you sure? 'groups' as that user |
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| 15:36.04 | abrotman | lunitik: if you knew .. why would you suggest it again ? |
| 15:37.02 | Zitter | very strange. From root, groups <user> shows audio |
| 15:37.03 | Garabuyo | I need /usr/bin/php4 for php4-pear.. but package php4-cli don't exist in woody? |
| 15:37.14 | Zitter | from normal user show only username group |
| 15:37.14 | abrotman | php4-cgi |
| 15:37.35 | abrotman | !find bin/php4 woody |
| 15:37.35 | lunitik | Zitter: has that user been logged out since you threw him in audio group? |
| 15:37.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/php4' (1): (/usr/bin/php4, /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php4) in web/php4-cgi. |
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| 15:37.50 | Zitter | lunitik, yes |
| 15:37.55 | Garabuyo | don't work with php4-cgi |
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| 15:38.05 | abrotman | Zitter: i told you when you first came in here to logout/login |
| 15:38.14 | lqgusso | lunitik what did you say? i was on the phone |
| 15:38.17 | lara | Hello, I've some Users on my Webserver. They could access their own homepages via web and upload data to it. They could upload also php script for browsing the whole system. My Problem is, they have access to the whole system, means they could read all files are readable by everyone... Should I change the folders under root to just readable by owner and group and not by everyone or what could I do ? |
| 15:38.18 | abrotman | !doesn't work |
| 15:38.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 15:38.19 | Zitter | abrotman, ok sorry :) |
| 15:38.26 | lunitik | lqgusso: nothing, heh :) |
| 15:38.56 | abrotman | lara: chroot |
| 15:38.58 | lqgusso | are you using debian know there? |
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| 15:39.38 | lara | abrotman: I chrooted it apache2 with "SecChrootDir /chroot/apache". Calling html sites works fine but calling php script occours the following error: "Premature end of script headers"... |
| 15:39.56 | Zitter | ok, works now... thanks for patiente :) |
| 15:40.10 | dan2 | abrotman: hey, I found the best onlien radio station |
| 15:40.16 | abrotman | lara: how are they browsing the whole system? |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | dan2: not possible |
| 15:40.33 | dan2 | abrotman: http://9412.com/ |
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| 15:42.25 | lunitik | dan2: its a rock station... therefore its disqualified by default |
| 15:42.50 | abrotman | dan2: play it with what ? |
| 15:42.51 | lqgusso | bye folks |
| 15:42.59 | abrotman | lunitik: as opposed to what? |
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| 15:43.12 | dan2 | abrotman: xmms |
| 15:43.21 | dan2 | abrotman: anything that can play shoutcase |
| 15:43.37 | lunitik | abrotman: I listen to most genre's, thus only playing one genre isn't ok by me |
| 15:43.39 | lara | abrotman: by a php script |
| 15:43.55 | dan2 | abrotman: http://9412.com/9412lo.pls |
| 15:44.01 | abrotman | dan2: i got it |
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| 15:44.12 | abrotman | lunitik: but a rock station is bad? |
| 15:44.14 | resiak | And this is now #music-flamewar. |
| 15:44.26 | dan2 | lunitik: rock is good |
| 15:44.35 | multi_io | "dpkg-reconfigure locales" generates all kinds of error messages on one Debian system here; on another Debian system with the same libc and locales versions, it runs just fine. |
| 15:44.43 | dan2 | abrotman: you can send in requests on irc.peacfulhaven.net |
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| 15:44.57 | abrotman | dan2: nice .. requests are good |
| 15:45.02 | multi_io | the messages look like this: |
| 15:45.03 | lunitik | dan2: sure... but so is rap, techno etc... |
| 15:45.04 | multi_io | /usr/share/i18n/locales/iso14651_t1:364: LC_COLLATE: syntax error |
| 15:45.12 | multi_io | /usr/share/i18n/locales/de_DE:99: LC_TIME: unknown character in field `abday' |
| 15:45.16 | Nei | my joystick works fine in jstest joystick test program, but I can only move it into one direction with gpm. would someone have a clue? |
| 15:45.17 | dan2 | abrotman: irc2.peacefulhaven.net #9412 |
| 15:45.27 | multi_io | LC_MONETARY: value of field `int_curr_symbol' has wrong length |
| 15:45.30 | redduck666 | is debian on 7 cds? |
| 15:45.36 | abrotman | !faq |
| 15:45.36 | multi_io | LC_MESSAGES: value for field `yesexpr' must not be an empty string |
| 15:45.36 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:45.38 | multi_io | etc. |
| 15:45.41 | cadu | hi |
| 15:45.45 | dan2 | nobody installs debian from cds |
| 15:45.46 | dan2 | :) |
| 15:45.47 | cadu | there's a way to reinstall a debian package ? |
| 15:45.51 | cadu | (over) |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | cadu: yes |
| 15:45.55 | resiak | redduck666: It's on about 16 CDs. |
| 15:45.57 | ireverentReveren | lunitik rap is defenatly NOT good |
| 15:45.57 | dan2 | cadu: aptitude reinstall <package name> |
| 15:45.58 | resiak | !d-i redduck666 |
| 15:45.59 | Nei | some do, else there wouldn't be the cds |
| 15:46.00 | abrotman | cadu: man apt-get |
| 15:46.03 | dpkg | redduck666, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:46.03 | dan2 | rap is good |
| 15:46.08 | cadu | abrotman: wh0a! |
| 15:46.15 | lunitik | ireverentReveren: in your opinion perhaps. |
| 15:46.22 | Nei | it depends on the debian version you get |
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| 15:46.45 | lunitik | ireverentReveren: can't really dance to rock :/ |
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| 15:46.56 | resiak | FFS. Everyone: there are such things as tastes in music, and no matter how long you shout at a rap fan, he will not start to like Tool. Take it elsewhere, please. |
| 15:46.58 | ireverentReveren | cant really dance to rap |
| 15:47.03 | ireverentReveren | cant really LISTEN to rap |
| 15:47.12 | lunitik | ireverentReveren: if you have no rhythm, I guess it would be an issue |
| 15:47.12 | MobyTurbo | Nei: there are unofficial Woody netinst CDs |
| 15:47.13 | abrotman | lunitik: stop |
| 15:47.16 | abrotman | ireverentReveren: stop |
| 15:47.29 | abrotman | go to #music |
| 15:47.30 | lunitik | abrotman: you're not an op, don't tell me what to do, thanks |
| 15:47.39 | abrotman | lunitik: would you like me to get them? |
| 15:47.49 | resiak | !ops lunitik refuses to stop trolling about music |
| 15:47.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: lunitik refuses to stop trolling about music |
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| 15:48.04 | abrotman | i didn't even do it :) |
| 15:48.04 | lunitik | abrotman: sure, see if they think I should stop... this is a 'discussion' channel |
| 15:48.07 | paulswm | Heh, no |
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| 15:48.16 | resiak | paulswm: No, you can't. |
| 15:48.18 | abrotman | lunaphyte: about debian .. not music/soccer/your ass |
| 15:48.30 | abrotman | lunitik: ^ |
| 15:48.35 | pappy- | ice cubes, think about ice cubes. |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | lunaphyte: sorry |
| 15:48.46 | lara | abrotman: the users could browse the whole system by a php script |
| 15:48.49 | lunitik | abrotman: actually no... it doesn't specify subject |
| 15:48.57 | abrotman | lunitik: /topic |
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| 15:49.04 | pappy- | lunitik: it contains a FAQ which says: talk about Debian stuff |
| 15:49.05 | resiak | lunitik: I think that the word #debian implies that the topic is Debian. |
| 15:49.19 | pappy- | lunitik: but do not try to feel offended please. |
| 15:49.29 | lunitik | resiak: umm... in my understanding its a 'place to get to know other Debian users" |
| 15:49.34 | abrotman | lara: i think there's a way to fix that .. but in the php.ini .. ask #php for a bit more insight |
| 15:49.35 | resiak | *plonk* |
| 15:49.36 | cadu | abrotman: thanx, easy --reinstall :D |
| 15:49.43 | abrotman | lunitik: this is not #debian-social-club |
| 15:49.45 | cadu | abrotman: RTFM erm ? ;D |
| 15:49.46 | pappy- | lunitik: then you should create a channel #debian-users or another one |
| 15:49.58 | usn | hi all |
| 15:50.03 | pappy- | lunitik: it is a starting point for helping people solve technical problems with the debian distribution. |
| 15:50.06 | Koffa | does 2.4 even support sata? |
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| 15:50.10 | Rawplayer | hey usn |
| 15:50.15 | abrotman | Koffa: in woody ? |
| 15:50.19 | Koffa | sid |
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| 15:50.25 | lunitik | pappy-: no... its a 'general discussion' channel |
| 15:50.31 | Rawplayer | lunitik: maybe you should go back to school and try to learn howto read and unstand words |
| 15:50.31 | galois | onjoin on the channel |
| 15:50.33 | pappy- | lunitik: as you wish. |
| 15:50.34 | abrotman | Koffa: i think .. but 2.6 would be better |
| 15:50.39 | abrotman | lunitik: you're a moron |
| 15:50.42 | Koffa | abrotman: obviously the 2.6.* doesn't work :/ |
| 15:50.51 | Rawplayer | !moron lunitik |
| 15:50.51 | dpkg | lunitik: You are moron #62 |
| 15:51.00 | abrotman | Koffa: newer 2.4 does ... |
| 15:51.01 | Koffa | abrotman: starts timing out after a while ... tried 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 |
| 15:51.12 | barbari2 | Hi , i have debian serge and the synaptic always crash, sombody know the problam ? |
| 15:51.13 | abrotman | Koffa: which controller/drive ? |
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| 15:51.16 | cadu | Koffa: 2.6.10 isn't doing ? |
| 15:51.32 | Koffa | abrotman: promise tx2plus / sata_promise |
| 15:51.49 | abrotman | Koffa: 2.4 should work |
| 15:51.52 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 15:51.52 | dpkg | methinks sata faq is at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html, or http://linux.yyz.us/sata/ |
| 15:51.53 | Koffa | the img is for -386 since I don't have the actual server here yet... doing this on some ole pentium I found :) |
| 15:51.58 | resiak | paulswm: Where are the ops... |
| 15:51.59 | abrotman | Koffa: check the first one |
| 15:52.13 | Koffa | k |
| 15:52.16 | valdyn | Koffa: linux sata drivers have various issues with the sata controllers firmware settings - maybe look there |
| 15:52.17 | abrotman | resiak: we don't have ops on the weekend |
| 15:52.32 | valdyn | Koffa: and disable raid if you can |
| 15:52.33 | Koffa | valdyn: you mean stuff like writeback etc? |
| 15:52.42 | barbari2 | Hi , i have debian serge and the synaptic always crash, sombody know the problam ? |
| 15:52.46 | Koffa | valdyn: I'm using linux's md raid1 |
| 15:52.58 | valdyn | Koffa: no, the pseudo raid "bios" - like looking setup tool |
| 15:53.03 | resiak | !serge |
| 15:53.03 | dpkg | Damnit, it's Sarge, not Serge. Sarge will kick your ass if you associate him with that character from beverly hill's cop. And Serge will no doubt unleash the defender 3000 on your butt. a crap dutch singer from the 70's-80's who performed with Saskia. Ask sussudio for an mp3. |
| 15:53.06 | paulswm | resiak: provide log extracts for justification, maybe |
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| 15:53.11 | Koffa | valdyn: the card isn't fasttrak, there's no raid of anykind on the card |
| 15:53.12 | valdyn | Koffa: disable raid on the firmware, not in linux |
| 15:53.19 | barbari2 | !serge |
| 15:53.19 | dpkg | Damnit, it's Sarge, not Serge. Sarge will kick your ass if you associate him with that character from beverly hill's cop. And Serge will no doubt unleash the defender 3000 on your butt. a crap dutch singer from the 70's-80's who performed with Saskia. Ask sussudio for an mp3. |
| 15:53.22 | Koffa | it's the 'plain' tx2 |
| 15:53.24 | abrotman | paulswm: i'd get banned too :) |
| 15:53.29 | resiak | paulswm: I might start building my case next time I'm up at 2am on Sunday. |
| 15:53.50 | Koffa | google gives very little hits in english when trying to find related pages :/ |
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| 15:54.40 | Clusty | you know any program that would turn on the CPU fan forcefully? |
| 15:54.58 | resiak | Clusty: A 1.21 gigavolt generator? |
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| 15:55.18 | abrotman | jiggavolt ? |
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| 15:55.20 | Clusty | resiak, hahaha. I ment software |
| 15:55.26 | abrotman | jiggawatt ? |
| 15:55.33 | cadu | fanturnon ? |
| 15:55.41 | resiak | abrotman: "jigga" is the correct pronounciation of "giga". |
| 15:56.16 | abrotman | resiak: i meant from back to the futre |
| 15:56.19 | EJ__ | how do i install .deb file straight from url? |
| 15:56.24 | doublehp | what time of day ( in UTC) are updated DE mirors ? I have two critical bugs which are said to be solved by new releases, and I need to know when the new packages will be available ... |
| 15:56.30 | abrotman | EJ__: man dpkg |
| 15:56.34 | valdyn | Clusty: that program would probably just "echo enable > /proc/acpi/fan/status", but my fan cant be controlled, nor does my acpi support controlling it |
| 15:56.37 | Clusty | resiak, I think that my CPU fan might be fucked (or maybe the hardware monitor) |
| 15:56.41 | EJ__ | like dpkg url? |
| 15:56.50 | MobyTurbo | EJ__: you've been asking this question and getting responses for nearly 12 hours |
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| 15:56.53 | doublehp | EJ__: lynx can call dpkg |
| 15:56.53 | resiak | EJ__: I TOLD YOU TEN HOURS AGO! |
| 15:57.07 | resiak | EJ__: Download the .deb file, and run dpkg -i filename.deb as root |
| 15:57.18 | EJ__ | that's not what i'm asking |
| 15:57.29 | Clusty | valdyn, my ACPI triggers at 54 C. The temperature monitor always shows 53 no matter how high is the load |
| 15:57.32 | doublehp | EJ__: THAT IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION |
| 15:57.41 | paulswm | Clusty: I presume it's a laptop or you would have opened the case and checked |
| 15:57.41 | resiak | EJ__: Hell, if I open one in Firefox it offers me an X app that can do it. |
| 15:57.44 | abrotman | WE ARE ALL TALKING VERY LOUDLY! |
| 15:57.46 | resiak | YES |
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| 15:57.54 | resiak | IT HELPS TO RELIEVE ANXIETY! |
| 15:58.06 | EJ__ | I use konqeuror,THAT'S WHAT I HAVE |
| 15:58.10 | EJ__ | and dillo |
| 15:58.15 | valdyn | Clusty: 53 Centigrade sounds reasonable, for some cpu |
| 15:58.19 | jim | CAN I WANT PLAY THE QUACK? |
| 15:58.19 | Clusty | paulswm, preety much. And it still has waranty and I do not want to break the seal |
| 15:58.45 | doublehp | EJ__: man dpkg , man kpackage |
| 15:58.59 | jim | dpkg --help too |
| 15:59.02 | EJ__ | i thought u say man |
| 15:59.07 | doublehp | what time of day ( in UTC) are updated DE mirors ? I have two critical bugs which are said to be solved by new releases, and I need to know when the new packages will be available ... |
| 15:59.08 | EJ__ | not the command lol |
| 15:59.20 | resiak | !lol |
| 15:59.20 | dpkg | [lol] Loser On Line, good work resiak, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
| 15:59.27 | Clusty | valdyn, 53 is ok. But before when I put some load the temp would jump. Plus I can fry some eggs on the keyboard. This brought me to think that somethink is fishy with the fan or temp sensor |
| 15:59.32 | jim | EJ__: dpkg --help |
| 15:59.37 | EJ__ | k guys |
| 15:59.40 | resiak | EJ__: man man to find out what man does,. |
| 15:59.41 | abrotman | that fucking lol factoid blows |
| 15:59.50 | jim | EJ__: try it... it builds strong bones twelve ways... |
| 15:59.50 | Clusty | valdyn, and also win behaves the same |
| 16:00.03 | resiak | !no lol is Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
| 16:00.03 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
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| 16:00.08 | paulswm | Clusty: Two of my boxes (both running 100% CPU constantly, little disk activity): laptop: 62 C tower: 68 C but the ambient (room) temp is 79F |
| 16:00.09 | Clusty | thanx anyways |
| 16:00.10 | valdyn | Clusty: the same as before or the same as linux? |
| 16:00.13 | EJ__ | good 1:-) |
| 16:00.14 | resiak | abrotman: Better? |
| 16:00.16 | resiak | !1 |
| 16:00.18 | abrotman | resiak: yay |
| 16:00.21 | resiak | Aww. |
| 16:00.35 | paulswm | Clusty: Yes, you are right to be suspicious I think if the KB is getting hot |
| 16:00.49 | EJ__ | kpacakge is gui for something? |
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| 16:01.00 | Clusty | valdyn, same as linux. Before under windows the fan would sound as hell if I play some movies |
| 16:01.37 | resiak | EJ__: It's an apt frontend. Apt is a dpkg frontend,. |
| 16:01.46 | EJ__ | got ya |
| 16:01.54 | Clusty | paulswm, valdyn : thanx I will see if I can start the fan |
| 16:02.37 | doublehp | "Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 22:10:09 -0800" is UTC time of that message 14 or 6AM next day ? |
| 16:03.16 | doublehp | EJ__: man kpackage !!! |
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| 16:04.04 | paulswm | doublehp: 0610 27 Feb |
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| 16:04.58 | FieldySnuts | !ops Huri is onjoin spamming, it's the same one of the past few days ago. for alindeman too |
| 16:05.04 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 16:05.07 | FieldySnuts | @ops Huri is onjoin spamming, it's the same one of the past few days ago. for alindeman too |
| 16:05.13 | FieldySnuts | bah. |
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| 16:05.26 | abrotman | !ops Huri is onjoin spamming, it's the same one of the past few days ago. for alindeman too (proxy for FieldySnuts ) |
| 16:05.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Huri is onjoin spamming, it's the same one of the past few days ago. for alindeman too (proxy for FieldySnuts ) |
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| 16:05.36 | FieldySnuts | RichiH: this guys' been doing this more than once a day for the past 3 days, in #debian and #redhat |
| 16:05.37 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: thanks |
| 16:05.48 | RichiH | FieldySnuts: he will be klined shortly |
| 16:05.49 | edon | any sid and ooo user here? |
| 16:05.51 | FieldySnuts | usually from the host he's on now |
| 16:05.53 | FieldySnuts | cool |
| 16:06.14 | abrotman | resiak: look .. |
| 16:06.32 | resiak | abrotman: Hmm? |
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| 16:06.38 | abrotman | resiak: look! |
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| 16:06.43 | resiak | abrotman: I'm looking. |
| 16:07.11 | resiak | abrotman: At waht? |
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| 16:08.13 | Koffa | the card doesn't seem to have a bios-menu on it's own |
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| 16:08.39 | Koffa | valdyn/abrotman: could missing noapic to the kernel cause anything like this? |
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| 16:08.53 | Koffa | I've seen some really weird sh*t from such overlookings :) |
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| 16:08.58 | nomeata | hi. is there a way to disable libart for SVG in debian's mozilla builts, so that I can use the adobe plugin? |
| 16:08.58 | abrotman | it's possible i suppose ... |
| 16:09.06 | edon | any sid and ooffice user here? |
| 16:09.19 | abrotman | edon: just ask |
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| 16:09.24 | abrotman | and not me ... |
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| 16:09.37 | Koffa | have to try |
| 16:09.38 | edon | okay, ooffice hangs in sid |
| 16:09.49 | abrotman | edon: also btw .. #debian-oo |
| 16:09.57 | Koffa | since it's _always_ hanged in <2hrs (idling) it shouldn't take too long :) |
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| 16:10.36 | abrotman | i wasn't telling him to leave |
| 16:10.47 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: still spamming ? |
| 16:11.23 | valdyn | Koffa: not sure if "pci=routeirq" can help, or if your system would be running at all if the sata driver needed this |
| 16:12.46 | FieldySnuts | not yet, but you know they'll be back |
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| 16:13.28 | abrotman | heh |
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| 16:17.37 | huliganz | hey! what does /proc/kcore file is for? |
| 16:17.59 | huliganz | it is growing all the time and become bigger and bigger |
| 16:18.00 | huliganz | :D |
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| 16:18.28 | valdyn | huliganz: its in /proc, it doesnt take space |
| 16:18.42 | huliganz | 536,809,472 bytes |
| 16:18.53 | pappy- | huliganz: are you reading from it? |
| 16:19.00 | paulswm | huliganz: physical memory, man proc, /kcore |
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| 16:19.16 | pappy- | huliganz: /proc/kcore is what you would get if you would snapshot a current kernel memory footprint |
| 16:19.33 | jaro | Hi there. Having troubles with vmware on debian. It works quite fine, but after rebooting system it requires reconfiguration (vmware-config.pl). Don't you know, what could be the reason for this? |
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| 16:19.46 | pappy- | jaro: kernel module not loading? |
| 16:19.47 | Thanatermesis | linux have a limit ??? |
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| 16:19.54 | huliganz | may I delete this file ? |
| 16:19.56 | huliganz | :) |
| 16:20.07 | pappy- | huliganz: you can try it, but as said, it does not take physical space on your hard disk |
| 16:20.10 | phogg | huliganz: not wise |
| 16:20.11 | paulswm | huliganz: It isn't a file as such |
| 16:20.13 | pappy- | huliganz: it is nonexistent |
| 16:20.19 | Thanatermesis | I have 12500 html files... grep not accept this, cat not accept.. etc |
| 16:20.24 | pappy- | huliganz: it is a way of the kernel giving you an interface to it's own memory |
| 16:20.25 | Thanatermesis | this is the limit of linux ??? |
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| 16:20.29 | Thanatermesis | only 12500 files ?? |
| 16:20.33 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: inode count |
| 16:20.41 | valdyn | huliganz: that file is only a way to access your memory, it does not take space |
| 16:20.42 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: look at the inode used/unused count |
| 16:20.46 | huliganz | thanks |
| 16:21.00 | pappy- | df -i, --inodes list inode information instead of block usage |
| 16:21.06 | jaro | pappy: this could be also problem. However, when i load modules manually and remove /etc/vmware/not_configured, and run '/etc/init.d/vmware start', it refuses to start network and configure it. |
| 16:21.07 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: that is for you |
| 16:21.09 | paulswm | huliganz: it is simply a representation of your physical memory as a file, do thinks like debuggers can reference it. Read 'man proc' |
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| 16:21.30 | huliganz | ou kei |
| 16:21.31 | jaro | pappy: By network i mean the virtual vmware network. |
| 16:21.53 | Thanatermesis | pappy-, is only a html files... |
| 16:21.53 | pappy- | huliganz: in fact, every file under /proc does not take any physical hard disk space |
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| 16:22.02 | Thanatermesis | one moment... Im test change "ulimit" |
| 16:22.09 | pappy- | huliganz: because it is a filesystem that does only exist during the running time of the machine |
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| 16:22.14 | pappy- | turn it off and proc will be nonexistent |
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| 16:22.36 | phogg | pappy-: nice, I didn't know about df --inodes. Does reisefs not use them, or not report them? |
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| 16:22.42 | paulswm | Thanatermesis: do you mean that you get a message like 'Argument list too long'? |
| 16:23.10 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 16:23.39 | xbit` | hi im experiencing some programs slows down, like it takes 2-3 min s to gkrellm to launch, gthumb too, when opening tar.gz or tar.bz2 files with any kind of borrowser |
| 16:23.44 | xbit` | browser |
| 16:23.44 | huliganz | well, my friend has a problem. his hdd ir growing up and he would like to know how to stop this process. after reboot free space is about 200-300 MB bigger. |
| 16:23.57 | huliganz | so we are searching the place where something grows ;) |
| 16:24.08 | valdyn | huliganz: /tmp/ |
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| 16:24.15 | phogg | huliganz: probably he gets a lot of stuff in /tmp, which is cleaned at boot |
| 16:24.26 | streuner | huliganz: /home/pr0n/ |
| 16:24.30 | paulswm | Thanatermesis: That is becasue you are trying to present a huge number of parameters on the command line. you need xargs. Read man xargs |
| 16:24.31 | huliganz | he he he :D |
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| 16:24.41 | xbit` | it came up with the alsa lib problem, that looks like been solved |
| 16:24.48 | huliganz | no, /tmp is empty |
| 16:24.52 | huliganz | some megabytes |
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| 16:24.55 | xbit` | any ideas? |
| 16:25.00 | huliganz | /var/log is about 5 megs |
| 16:25.14 | dabreegster | There was a really good graphical program that would grab files off of Usenet based on a regex and then assemble them. I can't find it in 'apt-cache search usenet' and it's not in the Newsgroups section of packages. |
| 16:25.20 | Thanatermesis | hummm... |
| 16:25.24 | valdyn | huliganz: /var/tmp ? |
| 16:25.29 | dabreegster | Anybody know what it was called? |
| 16:25.38 | KimuSan^ | if I want to reconfigure a package that I just installed (and where I did some wrong choices) then how do I do that? |
| 16:25.39 | huliganz | just a second |
| 16:25.43 | huliganz | w8 |
| 16:25.44 | pappy- | huliganz: try this: boot up, then df -k save it in a text file, then after some hours, df -k again and look which partition is grown bigger |
| 16:25.56 | Baby | dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 16:25.57 | pappy- | huliganz: then do the same with this partition only and using du instead of df |
| 16:26.02 | huliganz | only vi.recover under /var/tmp |
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| 16:26.59 | valdyn | huliganz: like cd / && du -hs * |
| 16:27.10 | dabreegster | nevermind, it's called pan |
| 16:27.14 | huliganz | there are only 2 partitions |
| 16:27.15 | huliganz | :( |
| 16:27.38 | huliganz | he installed that box when he didnt know whatis linux at all ;) |
| 16:27.44 | KimuSan^ | Baby: and if it says : /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: gcdb is broken or not fully installed |
| 16:27.45 | huliganz | so, there is / and /home |
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| 16:28.01 | valdyn | huliganz: read what i just said ) |
| 16:28.39 | pappy- | huliganz: valdyn gave you a command to measure the disk usage per directory |
| 16:28.45 | huliganz | thans |
| 16:28.46 | pappy- | huliganz: the "du" command can be used for that, it's argument is a directory name |
| 16:28.47 | huliganz | thanks |
| 16:28.53 | pappy- | have fun |
| 16:29.18 | paulswm | Thanatermesis: for example: ls|xargs grep 'XXX' |
| 16:29.46 | Thanatermesis | hum.. |
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| 16:30.25 | paulswm | Thanatermesis: or find . -name '*html'|xargs grep XXX |
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| 16:30.39 | Thanatermesis | '--==(/mnt/datos/downloads/wgets/www.happypenguin.org)==-->ls | xargs grep '3ddrag' |
| 16:30.39 | Thanatermesis | bash: pipe error: Demasiados ficheros abiertos |
| 16:30.43 | Thanatermesis | too may files open |
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| 16:30.54 | pappy- | nice PS1 |
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| 16:31.19 | huliganz | may i paste here the results ? |
| 16:31.24 | pappy- | huliganz: #flood |
| 16:31.32 | valdyn | !tell huliganz about paste |
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| 16:31.36 | fairway | hi all |
| 16:31.49 | fairway | where is DocumentRoot in apache2? I couldn't find it in the docs. |
| 16:32.08 | pappy- | fairway: it is the path that points to the htdocs directory containing the index.html and other web designer stuff |
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| 16:32.17 | viper | + |
| 16:32.18 | streuner | fairway: http.conf in /etc/apache2/ ? |
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| 16:32.44 | Koffa | valdyn: pci=routeirq does what? I checked the dmesg for apic, it says no such hw available so noapic shouldn't make any difference |
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| 16:32.54 | fairway | streuner: yes but it says it is unused |
| 16:33.05 | streuner | fairway: well :-) |
| 16:33.30 | fairway | backwards compatibility |
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| 16:33.54 | Baby | KimuSan^ ... maybe with apt-get -f install ? |
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| 16:35.11 | valdyn | Koffa: irq routing should now be demanded / done by the drivers, while this used to be done by the kernel for them ( dont ask me about details ), there *may* be drivers that do not do that (yet). Your dmesg should show info text about that |
| 16:35.17 | Martok | Hey guys. I'm a Debian newbie, and I'm about to download an iso but I don't know which one to download. Do I download the first binary CD (debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso), or the update CD's (debian-update-3.0r4-i386-1.iso and debian-update-3.0r4-i386-2.iso)? |
| 16:35.25 | fairway | found it |
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| 16:35.45 | macbr | hi |
| 16:35.50 | grivell | !tell Martok about d-i |
| 16:36.00 | Martok | Huh? |
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| 16:36.27 | Martok | Thanks |
| 16:36.40 | valdyn | Koffa: i have had such problems too, with a silicon image chipset controller, that only appeared in 2.6.x, not 2.4.x, never been able to solve it. |
| 16:36.44 | nomeata | does anyone know of debian packages of squiggle (the svg viewer?) |
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| 16:37.09 | RichiH | Martok: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:37.16 | valdyn | nomeata: google: squiggle debian package |
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| 16:37.27 | valdyn | !tell nomeata about search |
| 16:37.32 | mortal | can anyone tell me if sarge is fairly stable? |
| 16:37.37 | RichiH | mortal: it is |
| 16:37.45 | mldonkey | it is |
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| 16:37.45 | macbr | how conect mobile c333 motorola with pc? |
| 16:37.47 | mortal | what kernel comes with it? |
| 16:37.51 | mldonkey | 2.6 or 2.4 |
| 16:37.56 | mldonkey | you decide which to install |
| 16:38.01 | mortal | 2.6.? |
| 16:38.03 | nomeata | valdyn: didn't turn anything up, unfortunately |
| 16:38.05 | mldonkey | 2.6.x |
| 16:38.09 | mortal | right |
| 16:38.10 | RichiH | mortal: a wide choice between 2.4.10 and 2.4.29 and 2.6.1 and 2.6.10 (approx) |
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| 16:38.16 | mortal | ok |
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| 16:39.15 | mortal | what version of gnome does it have? |
| 16:39.18 | valdyn | !info batik |
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| 16:39.32 | RichiH | mortal: packages.debian.org :) |
| 16:39.35 | ccg | in the edit editor all keys are like ^o etc. what key is the ^ ? |
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| 16:39.49 | valdyn | nomeata: its part of batik according to its homepage |
| 16:40.02 | valdyn | nomeata: /msg dpkg info batik |
| 16:40.07 | eric__ | what is batik ? |
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| 16:40.28 | nomeata | valdyn: the batik package doesn't contain it, though. |
| 16:40.30 | abrotman | mortal: 2.8.x |
| 16:40.32 | nomeata | eric__: svg rendering library |
| 16:40.38 | eric__ | thanks |
| 16:40.39 | abrotman | for gnome i mean |
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| 16:40.53 | RichiH | mortal: and 3.3 for kde |
| 16:40.58 | eric__ | mortal can anyone tell me if sarge is fairly stable? yes!! |
| 16:41.03 | RichiH | oh wait, i am using sid. i might be worng with sarge |
| 16:41.17 | eric__ | mortal : try ubuntu distro |
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| 16:41.28 | drac | eric__: why are you advertising that here? |
| 16:41.34 | mortal | tried ubuntu |
| 16:41.36 | Koffa | valdyn: well trying that now |
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| 16:41.51 | Koffa | valdyn: the card shows up twice on irq 12, no other card uses that irq |
| 16:41.52 | mldonkey | I am using sarge on my notebook for like 6 months now |
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| 16:41.56 | mldonkey | absolutely ok |
| 16:42.05 | Zitter | how to know a package's name, if I remember a command of it? |
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| 16:42.08 | eric__ | cos ubuntu is debian so what's the pb ? |
| 16:42.20 | mortal | didn't like the nvidia driver, and I couldn't figure out where the dev tools were |
| 16:42.21 | RichiH | eric__: there is quite some difference |
| 16:42.26 | RichiH | !ubuntu |
| 16:42.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 16:42.29 | Random832 | can anyone identify the app pictured at the right in this screenshot? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Screenshot-6.png [from the wikipedia Debian article] |
| 16:42.44 | Martok | I thought Ubuntu was based on Debian. |
| 16:42.46 | RichiH | !tell mortal about nvidia |
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| 16:43.14 | Random832 | !based on debian |
| 16:43.14 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 16:43.42 | Martok | Ok. |
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| 16:44.04 | macbr | there are driver for mobile motorola c333? |
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| 16:44.19 | valdyn | Random832: which app? the transparent stuff? |
| 16:44.42 | SiliconViper | Martok, come on over to #ubuntu, if you have questions. |
| 16:44.50 | valdyn | Random832: nm its all transparent - the system info displays to the right |
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| 16:45.14 | Martok | SiliconViper: Thanks. |
| 16:45.19 | valdyn | Random832: thats couple desklets from gdesklets |
| 16:45.26 | SiliconViper | Martok: any time. ^_~ |
| 16:45.41 | Martok | I've been using Ubuntu for awhile and wanted to check out it's "mom", Debian. |
| 16:45.55 | Isti | anyone using debian on an IBM thinkpad? |
| 16:46.07 | valdyn | Isti: no one |
| 16:46.19 | Isti | Well, i am, just wanna find someone else ÃD |
| 16:46.24 | Random832 | ok |
| 16:46.37 | Thanatermesis | paulswm, the problem is ulimit, how to set one limit to ulimit ? |
| 16:46.52 | nSe | Seems that's Kurumin is based on Debian, also. |
| 16:47.47 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: ulimit -a shows you |
| 16:47.48 | Random832 | debian seems popular for basing things on |
| 16:47.57 | Random832 | brb - booting new kernel |
| 16:48.03 | Thanatermesis | yes pappy- ... |
| 16:48.19 | Thanatermesis | pappy-, is posible to set one number... how to set a "ulimit" value ? |
| 16:48.30 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: tell me which value you want to set |
| 16:48.37 | pappy- | and the value i should set it to and i paste you a command |
| 16:48.38 | nSe | people around us love debian |
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| 16:49.00 | Thanatermesis | pappy-, I need to open 12500 files |
| 16:49.06 | pappy- | open files (-n) 1024 |
| 16:49.09 | pappy- | default is 1024 |
| 16:49.13 | Thanatermesis | yes |
| 16:49.23 | Thanatermesis | the -n 0 set is not good |
| 16:49.27 | pappy- | # ulimit -n 99999 |
| 16:49.32 | pappy- | is 99999 enough? |
| 16:49.34 | Thanatermesis | man ulimit |
| 16:49.34 | Thanatermesis | bash: /usr/bin/man: Too many open files |
| 16:49.40 | pappy- | open files (-n) 99999 |
| 16:49.40 | Thanatermesis | hehehehe (in set -0) |
| 16:49.43 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: werent you the guy who tried to pass 12500 filenames on one command line? |
| 16:49.50 | pappy- | valdyn: he still is *duck* |
| 16:49.54 | Thanatermesis | pappy-, 125000 files i need to open |
| 16:50.02 | valdyn | Thanatermesis: no you dont |
| 16:50.02 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: just set ulimit -n 99999 please |
| 16:50.04 | Thanatermesis | valdyn, cat * | grep word |
| 16:50.04 | Thanatermesis | xD |
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| 16:50.21 | Thanatermesis | Im test |
| 16:50.38 | pappy- | and later you can make it 13000 or something if you are dead sure it will not rise |
| 16:50.46 | Bac9 | why will 'KERNEL="tun", NAME="net/%k", MODE="0660", GROUP="net"' not set group to "net" for a "tun" device? |
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| 16:51.15 | Rawplayer | tun0/1/2/3/ etc.. |
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| 16:51.27 | fas3r | hi all |
| 16:51.45 | Thanatermesis | open files (-n) 99999 |
| 16:51.45 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: cat * | grep word is useless btw |
| 16:51.47 | Zitter | which package provides su-to-root command? And... is it possibile to make a serach with command's name that results package's name? |
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| 16:51.57 | Thanatermesis | cat * |
| 16:51.57 | Thanatermesis | bash: /bin/cat: La lista de argumentos es demasiado larga |
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| 16:52.01 | epsilon | su in a debootstrap returns error "su: must be run in a terminal", what's wrong? |
| 16:52.09 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: it would be better to find . -type f -exec grep {} "word" |
| 16:52.13 | pappy- | and \; at the end |
| 16:52.24 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: this finds every file local and execs a grep |
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| 16:52.32 | Thanatermesis | pappy-, in ulimit, not is posible to set a more of 99999 files? |
| 16:52.32 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: which should work without ulimit oddness |
| 16:52.37 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: please try this |
| 16:52.40 | Thanatermesis | ok |
| 16:52.46 | lobster | is there an opensource equivalent to Microsoft Frontpage? |
| 16:52.52 | pappy- | $ find . -type f -exec grep "word" {} \; |
| 16:53.30 | Bac9 | lobster: doesn't mozilla have gui html editor? |
| 16:53.35 | valdyn | lobster: nvue, quanta, bluefis |
| 16:53.36 | valdyn | lobster: nvue, quanta, bluefish |
| 16:53.43 | lobster | thanks guys |
| 16:53.44 | Thanatermesis | yes, is good |
| 16:53.50 | Thanatermesis | thank you pappy- |
| 16:53.59 | Thanatermesis | if Im use find * (* = error) |
| 16:54.07 | Thanatermesis | pappy-, only one problem... |
| 16:54.10 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.21 | Thanatermesis | I need the name of the file results.... :S |
| 16:54.25 | pappy- | find expects a dir or a filename |
| 16:54.31 | pappy- | Thanatermesis: grep --with-filename |
| 16:54.37 | Thanatermesis | :o |
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| 16:55.09 | pappy- | $ find /path/to/search -type f -exec grep --with-filename "word" {} \; |
| 16:55.19 | pappy- | man find; man grep; man awk and so on helps you in the future ;-)= |
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| 16:56.17 | Thanatermesis | thanks pappy- |
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| 16:56.22 | pappy- | you're welcome. |
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| 16:56.56 | Thanatermesis | :) |
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| 16:57.35 | philth | How do i shutdown x and stay at runlevel 3? |
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| 16:57.50 | pappy- | philth: do you just want to restart it? |
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| 16:58.12 | pappy- | then hit the three keys CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to nuke your x session and reload the x server when it is started by xdm |
| 16:58.13 | MobyTurbo | philth: Debian doesn't treat run-levels by default the same way as other distributions. |
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| 16:58.38 | philth | No, i gotta update nvidia drivers, it tells me to shut down X but when i switch to runlevel 1 it says i need to be at 3, i switch back to 3 and x starts again. |
| 16:58.44 | philth | I'm new to all this. |
| 16:58.53 | pappy- | philth: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
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| 16:58.58 | philth | thank you |
| 16:58.59 | pappy- | philth: press CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 16:59.05 | pappy- | philth: and login to console |
| 16:59.09 | philth | oh? |
| 16:59.12 | pappy- | then stop the xdm, which should stop X too |
| 16:59.18 | philth | but x is still running then, |
| 16:59.21 | pappy- | but stopping xdm from an xterm should work too |
| 16:59.22 | pappy- | the hard way |
| 16:59.26 | pappy- | well, it shouldn't |
| 16:59.27 | valdyn | philth: ctrl-alt-f1 , log in, /etc/init.d/[g|x|k]dm stop |
| 16:59.29 | pappy- | when you stopped it :-) |
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| 16:59.43 | philth | okay, i'll try, thanks |
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| 17:00.21 | grzesiek | hello |
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| 17:01.17 | grzesiek | can anyone point me to some info about creating mixed dvd's (i.e. live linux when booted on pc but a video dvd when in dvdplayer?) |
| 17:02.25 | sussudio | grzesiek: try videohelp.com |
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| 17:03.10 | grzesiek | thx |
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| 17:08.47 | Hell-Man | Q? have anyone sucseded too intsall MPlayer-1.0pre6a whit out no errors |
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| 17:10.29 | cleancut | Hell-Man, define "install". I've built other versions of mplayer. This really isn't the right forum for mplayer specific questions. |
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| 17:11.08 | valdyn | !tell Hell-Man about marillat |
| 17:11.14 | Koffa | valdyn: I couldn't get the recovery started on 2.4, any insight? |
| 17:11.32 | valdyn | Koffa: recovery? |
| 17:11.41 | valdyn | Koffa: you cannot do what? |
| 17:11.41 | Koffa | raid1 |
| 17:11.56 | Koffa | tried adding /dev/sdb8 back to md1 |
| 17:11.59 | valdyn | Koffa: oh, no idea, i know nothing about raid itself |
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| 17:12.01 | Koffa | k |
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| 17:12.56 | Hell-Man | valdyn: thx |
| 17:12.58 | Koffa | booting and trying with 2.6.10 pci=routeirq now... |
| 17:12.58 | Hell-Man | =) |
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| 17:13.34 | Koffa | should hang in <2hrs :/ |
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| 17:15.24 | italo | hi, im am new with linux, i have installed debian distro but i have installed a mistake video card virge the true video card is savage s3, how can i change video card ? thanks |
| 17:15.27 | cleancut | Koffa, My experiences with Linux RAID have been unimpressive at best. Go buy a RAID controller. |
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| 17:17.06 | BadMan | morning all |
| 17:17.07 | pappy- | italo: try to edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:17.17 | pappy- | italo: and search for a line saying "Driver" |
| 17:17.25 | lone_marauder | Netgear FA312 not working - I am trying to give Debian Sarge a try. The installer can see the card, and I can drop to a terminal and set an ip address, but nothing can ping it, and DHCP fails to set an address. |
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| 17:17.41 | cleancut | italo, Or, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" should get you what you're looking for. |
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| 17:18.13 | BadMan | finally got up kde.. for a newb Im ona pretty decent roll! ;) |
| 17:18.55 | cleancut | lone_marauder, Search for "Intel NIC" on ebay. You should be able to get a pack of 5 for $20 or so. |
| 17:19.33 | Koffa | cleancut: the timeouts happen on ata-level |
| 17:19.51 | BadMan | lone_marauder that nic should work fine, I am using a 310 with tulip |
| 17:19.59 | Koffa | cleancut: so I strongly doubt this to be a raid issue |
| 17:20.20 | Koffa | not to mention that if I had the money to buy a real raid-card I'd go for scsi anyway :) |
| 17:20.37 | lone_marauder | BadMan, it does see the card, I just can't transact traffic. Link lights are good, and the card was working when I was in Windows a few minutes ago, so I know cabling, etc. is OK. |
| 17:20.38 | italo | thanks, i try |
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| 17:20.47 | cleancut | Koffa, Oh...this is IDE? Promise cards go for $20 on ebay. |
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| 17:20.53 | Koffa | cleancut: sata |
| 17:21.08 | Koffa | and promise fasttrak isn't raid |
| 17:21.33 | pappy- | yeah, it is just "copy on write" with disks instead of memory :-) |
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| 17:21.45 | cleancut | Koffa: I hope for your sake you're not attempting that BIOS "pseudo-RAID" nonsense. |
| 17:21.57 | Koffa | cleancut: this isn't fasttrak |
| 17:21.59 | Koffa | as I've said |
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| 17:22.13 | Koffa | simple sata-controller |
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| 17:22.17 | Koffa | with 2 ports |
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| 17:22.47 | matt_ | hey, anybody know y the base install to a NFS root fails ? |
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| 17:24.18 | cleancut | Koffa: Have you looked over Rick Moen's stuff at linuxmafia? He's got a lot of info on SATA in general. |
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| 17:24.50 | Koffa | cleancut: it mainly discusses the fasttrak version |
| 17:25.12 | Koffa | cleancut: also that sata_promise should support tx2 (which it seems to do, it just hangs at some point) |
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| 17:27.04 | cleancut | Koffa: I'd try looking for a SATA forum. You're clearly out of distro-land. Good luck! |
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| 17:28.25 | robertg | Wow |
| 17:28.41 | robertg | something is seriously fucked up here... i turn on my computer and I can't log in as anything |
| 17:28.50 | italo | after i change video card have i reboot computer ? |
| 17:28.55 | robertg | i can log in as root to gdm though |
| 17:29.02 | Koffa | cleancut: the card has been in use on some other distro successfully |
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| 17:29.23 | robertg | and tried to sudo to another user and open an x program, and it says xlib: connection refused |
| 17:29.33 | Koffa | crux linux, 2.6-series |
| 17:29.37 | cleancut | Koffa: Which distro? I'm not a distro zealot. I just drastically prefer Debian. |
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| 17:29.40 | robertg | so i did xhost + |
| 17:29.49 | robertg | now i can open x programs as another user |
| 17:29.51 | SnitraM | Is there any reason for choosing dhcp3-client over dhcp-client? |
| 17:29.51 | cblackburn | Hi, I have a problem with apt-get. I am trying to do a dist-upgrade from stable to testing on a sparc machine. When I run the dist-upgrade it complains that it cannot upgrace libc6 because the kernel I am using is not new enough. But it will not let me install a new kernel because my revision of libc6 is too old |
| 17:29.52 | Koffa | I know nothing about crux :) |
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| 17:30.01 | cblackburn | how can I *force* it to let me install both |
| 17:30.06 | robertg | but i still can't actually log in to GDM as another user |
| 17:30.07 | punsad | I can't see my windows shared printer from linux ... I've tried everything it seems - any hints/ |
| 17:30.09 | robertg | can anyone help? |
| 17:30.11 | robertg | this is really weird |
| 17:30.18 | SlayerXP | afternoon chaps/chapesses |
| 17:30.25 | punsad | the win box is WinXPPro |
| 17:30.33 | jetscreamer | you had better replace the video card when the computer is off... |
| 17:30.41 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 17:30.41 | dpkg | from memory, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For ... |
| 17:30.46 | cleancut | Koffa: well go look at what patches that distro adds. |
| 17:30.49 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 17:31.13 | abrotman | cblackburn: #debian-sparc iirc |
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| 17:31.23 | Koffa | :/ |
| 17:31.25 | robertg | i can run any program through sudo though as the other user |
| 17:31.35 | robertg | but i can't log in as any user besides root! |
| 17:31.48 | robertg | it just happened all of a sudden this morning when i tried to log in |
| 17:31.49 | punsad | when I run smbclient -L //thinkpad -N, I see all shared dirs (which I can mount) - but no printer |
| 17:31.49 | SlayerXP | dpkg, sparc is also massively underpowered and massively overpriced, buy some opteron kit instead. |
| 17:31.49 | dpkg | that's too long, SlayerXP |
| 17:31.55 | SlayerXP | bah |
| 17:32.03 | Koffa | cleancut: I'm trying the flags presented here... I just hope it's not this -386 -kernel causing the trouble and that everything would work on -686-smp :) |
| 17:32.09 | abrotman | SlayerXP: subjective hogwash :) |
| 17:32.24 | robertg | can somebody please help? |
| 17:32.24 | abrotman | well .. overpriced maybe |
| 17:32.33 | punsad | I've confirmed that the thinkpad printer is correctly shared since I printed a test page from another windows computer on my network |
| 17:32.34 | SlayerXP | abrotman: okay, when compared to the viking probes, it isn't |
| 17:32.42 | abrotman | SlayerXP: compared to mac hardware :) |
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| 17:33.02 | italo | i use this command to change video card setting dpkg-reconfigure but in control center i can't change resolution |
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| 17:33.08 | jetscreamer | -386 -kernel <--these are flags you're passing? |
| 17:33.13 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I was keeping my comments within the framework of real computers, not digital handbags |
| 17:33.24 | SnitraM | And could I make do with udhcpc? |
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| 17:33.31 | PEACEYALL | can somone help me? When i put in a cd-r or a cd-rw or a dvd-r it reads but if i put in a cd-rw that is empty it sas bad superblock or invalid fs... and the same with dvd-rw,, wat can i do o i can read/write cd-rw and dvd-rw ( my disk drive supports dvd-rw and cd-rw and supports writing on them ) |
| 17:33.32 | Koffa | jetscreamer: harhar |
| 17:33.36 | abrotman | SlayerXP: but sun does make nice stuff ... IMO anyways .. even if it is overpriced |
| 17:33.40 | jetscreamer | just checking |
| 17:33.41 | punsad | I think the problem may be because it's a usb printer |
| 17:33.45 | Koffa | jetscreamer: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 17:33.52 | SlayerXP | abrotman: yes, they make opteron based kit these days |
| 17:33.53 | robertg | when i login to terminal with any user besides root, it also says (xchat:5617): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 17:33.53 | Koffa | tried .8 and .10 |
| 17:33.54 | Random832 | anyone know how to get bootsplash working on debian? |
| 17:34.03 | punsad | when I run smbclient -L //thinkpad -N, I see all shared dirs (which I can mount) - but no printer |
| 17:34.03 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i meant the sparc stuff |
| 17:34.12 | punsad | I can't see my windows shared printer from linux ... I've tried everything it seems - any hints? |
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| 17:34.19 | jetscreamer | robertg, you have to have x running to run xchat.. unless it's xchat-text |
| 17:34.20 | PEACEYALL | so can any help or no? |
| 17:34.27 | SlayerXP | abrotman: see "massively underpowered and massively overpriced" above :) |
| 17:34.37 | robertg | jetscreamer: Of course it's running. I'm on Xchat right now, as sudo -u with root |
| 17:34.39 | abrotman | SlayerXP: as i said .. i disagree |
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| 17:34.59 | Random832 | robertg: then what do you mean "login to terminal"? |
| 17:35.01 | SnitraM | dpkg, dhcp |
| 17:35.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 17:35.04 | Koffa | raid is synced once again, now I'll let this idle for an hour or two :) |
| 17:35.04 | jetscreamer | oh well that's why you get that 'error' |
| 17:35.10 | SnitraM | dpkg, dhcp client |
| 17:35.11 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
| 17:35.18 | jetscreamer | because you're not running it as the one you're ogged in as |
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| 17:35.26 | PEACEYALL | can someone help pls? |
| 17:35.31 | robertg | Random832: I type "login", and get a new login prompt |
| 17:35.45 | robertg | and I can't open a nested gdm login session |
| 17:35.47 | Random832 | robertg: typing "login" in an xterm makes all the X data go away |
| 17:35.50 | Koffa | -> |
| 17:35.50 | robertg | it just closes the session |
| 17:35.52 | SnitraM | dpkg, potato |
| 17:35.52 | jetscreamer | PEACEYALL, what kernel (uname -r) |
| 17:35.52 | dpkg | methinks potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 17:36.02 | ggl_6 | howo do I restrat my apache server? |
| 17:36.04 | xarg | Hi ... I have 2 exim servers each with 2 network interfaces I also have 2 T1s each of the mailservers is connected to both T1s ... what is the best way to have Load balancing and redundancy? |
| 17:36.06 | Random832 | why are you typing "login" in an xterm? |
| 17:36.10 | ggl_6 | restart |
| 17:36.12 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.15 | PEACEYALL | my kernel is: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 17:36.15 | SlayerXP | ggl_6: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 17:36.15 | abrotman | i wonder if he's writing them in windows with that crap thing adaptec makes that doesn't actually burn or whatever the fuck it does |
| 17:36.17 | Random832 | and why are you in X as root in the first place? |
| 17:36.19 | ggl_6 | thanks |
| 17:36.28 | robertg | Random832: BECAUSE I COULDN'T LOG IN AS ANYTHING ELSE |
| 17:36.46 | Random832 | robertg: ...doing what you're doing doesn't solve that problem |
| 17:36.46 | robertg | it just returned me to the login prompt |
| 17:36.54 | abrotman | use gdm ? |
| 17:36.55 | valdyn | robertg: pick a different session in gdm |
| 17:36.55 | robertg | it didn't say wrong password or anything |
| 17:36.56 | abrotman | xdm |
| 17:36.58 | abrotman | kdm ? |
| 17:37.00 | robertg | gdm |
| 17:37.04 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.04 | abrotman | so use that |
| 17:37.05 | Random832 | why don't you actually try to track down the cause of the original problem instead of using a fake "workaround" that makes you log into X as root |
| 17:37.06 | jetscreamer | PEACEYALL, did you try runnin the k3b setup script? |
| 17:37.06 | punsad | wow - I just tried something and I think it gives me a clue - I tried sharing a "fake" postscript printer on the thinkpad client - and I can see it from the linux box! this confirms my suspicion that there's something wrong with the actual printer I'm sharing |
| 17:37.18 | robertg | Random832: uhh, I have to start somewhere... |
| 17:37.21 | PEACEYALL | jet screamer hwo do i do that? |
| 17:37.21 | Random832 | and why didn't you tell us that in the first place? |
| 17:37.28 | jetscreamer | and PEACEYALL you might upgrade your kernel one day |
| 17:37.39 | valdyn | robertg: pick a different session in gdm |
| 17:37.40 | abrotman | robertg: the correct place to start is why can't your users login |
| 17:37.51 | robertg | valdyn: like what? |
| 17:37.56 | jetscreamer | PEACEYALL, apt-get install k3b and then there is a place to run it in k3b's menu |
| 17:38.03 | PEACEYALL | i have k3b |
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| 17:38.07 | punsad | maybe I'll just print to that fake printer! |
| 17:38.10 | valdyn | robertg: like not the one that failed |
| 17:38.11 | robertg | abrotman: well, I didn't TOUCH anything last night related to gdm/x, but all of a sudden it won't let me log in |
| 17:38.13 | jetscreamer | ok it's under the tools or something |
| 17:38.14 | Random832 | valdyn: gah - at least have him set up irc in a console first so he can ask us stuff when that doesn't work |
| 17:38.21 | abrotman | all the sudden |
| 17:38.22 | jetscreamer | menu |
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| 17:38.29 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 17:38.33 | PEACEYALL | i opened the setup |
| 17:38.34 | PEACEYALL | now what |
| 17:38.43 | robertg | abrotman: yes, and my screen does weird things occasionally too, like shaking side to side and moving the whole layout around |
| 17:38.45 | jetscreamer | run the check |
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| 17:38.47 | resiak | PEACEYALL: Do you have to have an all-caps nick? |
| 17:38.53 | Random832 | robertg: what's in your [normal user account] .xsession-errors |
| 17:38.53 | SnitraM | dpkg, udhcpc |
| 17:39.01 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
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| 17:39.06 | PEACEYALL | why does evryone ask that |
| 17:39.09 | PEACEYALL | and my answer is YES |
| 17:39.13 | resiak | PEACEYALL: WHY? |
| 17:39.16 | Random832 | PEACEYALL: why? |
| 17:39.19 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 17:39.22 | jetscreamer | because caps are offensive to hard core irc users |
| 17:39.23 | PEACEYALL | because i want to |
| 17:39.24 | PEACEYALL | gah |
| 17:39.24 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 17:39.28 | peaceyall | happy! |
| 17:39.30 | resiak | PEACEYALL: IT'S INSANELY ANNOYING |
| 17:39.32 | resiak | peaceyall: thank you |
| 17:39.35 | abrotman | yes .. we're all happy |
| 17:39.35 | xarg | mx 10 a0.mx.domain.tld ; mx 10 b1.mx.domain.tld ; mx 20 a1.mx.domain.tld ; mx 20 b0.mx.domain.tld .... would this only work for load balancing? ... if one of the T1s goes down will I only recieve 50% of my mail? the same if one server goes down? |
| 17:39.35 | peaceyall | lol |
| 17:39.36 | peaceyall | np |
| 17:39.40 | tweekken | peaceyall: thank you |
| 17:39.40 | abrotman | and the children are singing |
| 17:39.45 | jetscreamer | !happy |
| 17:39.45 | dpkg | methinks happy is stop smiling at me,i will force you to bear my hell spawn!! |
| 17:39.51 | robertg | Random832: A lot |
| 17:39.58 | jetscreamer | run the k3b setup |
| 17:39.59 | Random832 | robertg: what's at the bottom? |
| 17:40.01 | abrotman | xarg: #dns |
| 17:40.05 | abrotman | i think |
| 17:40.09 | SnitraM | dpkg, udhcpc |
| 17:40.10 | robertg | Random832: a lot of (firefox-bin:4295): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "experience", |
| 17:40.12 | peaceyall | jetscreamer , i ran the k3b setup in setting- k3b setup |
| 17:40.23 | peaceyall | i dont see no check button |
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| 17:40.36 | robertg | Random832: ** (gnome-session:4045): WARNING **: Unable to lock ICE authority file: /home/robert/.ICEauthority |
| 17:40.45 | robertg | and a lot of information about each program |
| 17:40.46 | xarg | abrotman: I know it's a bit off topic but the people in here are so knopwledgeable |
| 17:40.49 | robertg | that i had running |
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| 17:41.02 | Random832 | no - i meant at the end - from the failed login attempts |
| 17:41.04 | Random832 | or is there nothing? |
| 17:41.04 | SnitraM | dpkg, udhcpd |
| 17:41.05 | abrotman | xarg: i realize that .. but really .. #dns is a better place to ask .. |
| 17:41.12 | peaceyall | jetscreamer where is the check button |
| 17:41.16 | abrotman | SnitraM: /msg dpkg blah |
| 17:41.22 | robertg | Random832: looks like there's nothing like that at the bottom |
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| 17:41.42 | resiak | SnitraM: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:41.44 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, yeah that... just click the do it or fix orwhatever button.. apply.. but, did it change anything? |
| 17:41.55 | peaceyall | no |
| 17:41.59 | mrphreak | anybody know if linux-2.6.X have nvidia drivers supports ? |
| 17:42.06 | jetscreamer | the before and after settings are the same? |
| 17:42.08 | chealer29 | mrphreak: yes |
| 17:42.13 | robertg | Random832: The application 'xchat' lost its connection to the display :0.0; |
| 17:42.13 | robertg | most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed |
| 17:42.13 | robertg | the application. |
| 17:42.18 | peaceyall | ya |
| 17:42.20 | robertg | just as an example |
| 17:42.23 | jetscreamer | mrphreak, as long as you don't mean a vid card |
| 17:43.01 | jetscreamer | hmmm. ok peaceyall ... what happens if you use k3b to open the tray, you put a cd in, and you use k3b to close the tray |
| 17:43.05 | SnitraM | resiak: I want to know why, if and when I should use dhcp-client and dhcp3-client. And where does udhcpc fit in? |
| 17:43.13 | peaceyall | il try |
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| 17:43.32 | jetscreamer | a burnable blank cd i men |
| 17:43.37 | jetscreamer | the one that gives you the error |
| 17:43.42 | resiak | SnitraM: If dpkg is not replying, it means he doesn't know. Ask the channel as a whole. |
| 17:43.46 | SnitraM | resiak: I do need one DHCP client. |
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| 17:43.59 | peaceyall | oh |
| 17:44.03 | peaceyall | the dvd-rw |
| 17:44.04 | chealer29 | !tell mrphreak about nvidia |
| 17:44.07 | peaceyall | gives me the error |
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| 17:44.10 | peaceyall | and cd-rw |
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| 17:44.14 | robertg | Random832: ? |
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| 17:44.16 | peaceyall | ok ill us eteh dvd-rw |
| 17:44.17 | resiak | !tell peaceyall about enter |
| 17:44.27 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 17:44.30 | jetscreamer | ahhh sunday |
| 17:44.34 | abrotman | :\ |
| 17:44.36 | resiak | :- |
| 17:44.40 | resiak | :| |
| 17:44.47 | peaceyall | lol |
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| 17:44.48 | resiak | Now we can make a progress indicator! |
| 17:44.50 | resiak | !lol |
| 17:44.50 | dpkg | methinks lol is Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
| 17:44.50 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 17:45.02 | tweekken | lol |
| 17:45.04 | peaceyall | jetscreamer where is the open tray in k3b? |
| 17:45.05 | resiak | :/ :- :\ :| :/ :- :\ :| |
| 17:45.08 | peaceyall | lol |
| 17:45.12 | abrotman | why does that seem funny? |
| 17:45.20 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, right click on the cd in the left hand pane, iirc |
| 17:45.21 | peaceyall | just funny :P |
| 17:45.25 | peaceyall | ok |
| 17:45.25 | abrotman | lol ... i'm an idiot .. and i'm letting everyone know |
| 17:45.37 | abrotman | god .. i'm a cranky bastard today :) |
| 17:45.37 | jetscreamer | we knew was no secret :p |
| 17:45.41 | Laedri | how can i disable AppleTalk service? |
| 17:45.42 | tweekken | lol |
| 17:45.43 | mogorman | morning |
| 17:45.48 | robertg | Can somebody please help me? |
| 17:45.49 | mrphreak | i test one driver of nvidia dot com, for 2.4.X branch. this run good. |
| 17:45.49 | abrotman | exactly ..see |
| 17:45.49 | resiak | abrotman: The fact that they're all lolling even after I invoked !lol |
| 17:45.53 | resiak | Laedri: apt-get remove netatalk |
| 17:45.57 | abrotman | resiak: i know |
| 17:45.59 | resiak | !tell mrphreak about nvidia howto |
| 17:46.03 | abrotman | mrphreak: #nvidia |
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| 17:46.29 | tweekken | I got laid off after 6+ years on Friday everything is LOL to me now |
| 17:46.37 | peaceyall | jetscremer i ejected it and put it in then i right clicked and pressed load, but it just ejected instead |
| 17:46.44 | jetscreamer | tweekken, that sucks.. but welcome to the club |
| 17:46.45 | mrphreak | thank. |
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| 17:47.19 | chealer29 | !tell mrphreak about nvidia-installer |
| 17:47.25 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, ok so neither dvd's nor cd's function? (rw that is) or is this just the dvd's |
| 17:47.26 | mogorman | hello, how would I go about implementing an offshoot of debian, I really just want to have a few additional things done in base install, and have it add a repository of my own, otherwise just use debian testing? |
| 17:47.34 | SnitraM | I need one dhcp client. Would udhcpc be good enough? |
| 17:47.42 | tweekken | I have 3 - head debian Nvidia and love it |
| 17:47.51 | robertg | It's not even logging anything in .xession-errors when it fails now |
| 17:47.58 | valdyn | SnitraM: why not use the default one? |
| 17:48.04 | abrotman | too easy! |
| 17:48.06 | peaceyall | no the cd-rw works, only if it is written on , if it isnt i get the error and i think the same for dvd-rw, weird |
| 17:48.11 | SnitraM | valdyn: Which is the default one? |
| 17:48.22 | mogorman | is there a guide somewhere for rolling your own deb based distro? |
| 17:48.26 | abrotman | resiak: i had eggs!! |
| 17:48.28 | valdyn | SnitraM: dhclient |
| 17:48.30 | resiak | abrotman: :D |
| 17:48.37 | jetscreamer | yes there is a guide, what's the factoid |
| 17:48.45 | resiak | !debian-based |
| 17:48.45 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 17:48.46 | resiak | ;) |
| 17:48.54 | SnitraM | valdyn: Which package is that? |
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| 17:49.07 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, just for grins, what does ls -ld /dev/dvd return |
| 17:49.10 | tweekken | +Libranet |
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| 17:49.19 | peaceyall | ill check |
| 17:49.23 | resiak | tweekken: You what? |
| 17:49.32 | gilles | I use Gnome on Debian, and the Trash has disappeared from my Desktop, like all the files that where on it, how can I have it back (a reboot did nothing, and I checked in root mode, no file in the Desktop directory) ? |
| 17:49.42 | tweekken | omg I missed the libranet in the list need sleep |
| 17:49.49 | resiak | gilles: #debian-gnome or #gnome ? |
| 17:49.52 | jetscreamer | gilles, there is a .Trash-something |
| 17:49.53 | resiak | !omh |
| 17:49.54 | peaceyall | it sas |
| 17:49.55 | peaceyall | peaceyall:/home/peaceyall# ls -ld /dev/dvd |
| 17:49.55 | peaceyall | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2005-02-27 07:09 /dev/dvd -> hdc |
| 17:49.55 | resiak | !omg |
| 17:49.55 | dpkg | i heard omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
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| 17:49.58 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 17:49.58 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:50.37 | valdyn | !tell Snitram about search |
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| 17:50.49 | jetscreamer | okie so you got a dev/dvd... hmmm. this isn't the usual 'my ?-drive doesn't work' |
| 17:51.15 | Random832 | anyone know how to get bootsplash working on debian? |
| 17:51.21 | robertg | hmm.. when i try to log in as a newly-created user, I get |
| 17:51.22 | resiak | !bootsplash |
| 17:51.22 | dpkg | somebody said bootsplash was http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates) see also gensplash |
| 17:51.26 | Random832 | ... |
| 17:51.29 | Random832 | that site is unhelpful |
| 17:51.29 | SnitraM | !tell valdyn that's difficult to search when the Debian box is home and I'm asking from work. No DHCP -> no net. |
| 17:51.42 | peaceyall | so wat do u think i should do jetscreamer |
| 17:51.47 | Random832 | debian seems to do weird stuff with rc scripts that is different from what their examples assume |
| 17:51.51 | abrotman | SnitraM: you have no web browser at work ? |
| 17:51.53 | jetscreamer | not sure, i am contemplating |
| 17:51.57 | peaceyall | ok |
| 17:52.05 | resiak | SnitraM: "Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system." |
| 17:52.26 | abrotman | or try reading what dpkg tells you .. since it fucking tells you to use packages.d.o .. grr |
| 17:52.52 | valdyn | SnitraM: the package is "dhcp" its likely already installed, beside that you might have no business in using either dhcp client directly |
| 17:52.52 | abrotman | axe! |
| 17:52.55 | valdyn | !dhcp |
| 17:52.56 | dpkg | it has been said that dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
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| 17:53.21 | valdyn | SnitraM: since network is setup in /etc/network/interfaces ( see the faq ) |
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| 17:53.56 | SnitraM | abrotman: What does "packages.d.o" mean? |
| 17:54.00 | valdyn | SnitraM: ops, the package is "dhcp-client" |
| 17:54.01 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 17:54.03 | resiak | SnitraM: READ WHAT DPKG TOLD YOU FFS! |
| 17:54.11 | abrotman | !search |
| 17:54.12 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> ... |
| 17:54.16 | peaceyall | jetscreamer, do u think it has to do somethign with drivers? |
| 17:54.16 | abrotman | see .. it fucking tells you |
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| 17:54.17 | kings | hi |
| 17:54.18 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:54.18 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:54.30 | jetscreamer | what is this writer, peaceyall .. scsi, ide, usb... |
| 17:54.34 | kings | anyone know where to get make-kpkg ? |
| 17:54.41 | abrotman | kings: kernel-package |
| 17:54.44 | abrotman | !tell kings about kp |
| 17:54.45 | jetscreamer | kings, ^^ |
| 17:54.47 | valdyn | !tell kings about search |
| 17:54.49 | peaceyall | its build in not usb |
| 17:54.57 | jetscreamer | probably ide then |
| 17:55.02 | peaceyall | ya |
| 17:55.21 | stego | resiak, ? |
| 17:55.23 | kings | I have kernel=package already |
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| 17:55.30 | kings | but ti doesnt have the command |
| 17:55.43 | jetscreamer | kings, try supplying the path |
| 17:55.54 | kings | ah yes that work |
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| 17:55.57 | kings | thanks |
| 17:56.00 | SnitraM | valdyn: I prefer to have my Internet interface up only while surfing. |
| 17:56.08 | resiak | stego: You're at Univ. |
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| 17:56.18 | peaceyall | well jetscreamer, if i right click and press disc info, it tells me the correct info |
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| 17:56.30 | SnitraM | abrotman, resiak: Yes. I only read as far as apt-cache search... |
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| 17:56.33 | stego | resiak, indeed. Yourself? |
| 17:56.37 | resiak | SnitraM: And why did you not read further? |
| 17:56.40 | resiak | stego: Worc. |
| 17:56.48 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, i thought you said it vomited the blank medium.. ie the tray just pops out |
| 17:56.56 | jetscreamer | or do you mean a written disc |
| 17:56.57 | abrotman | SnitraM: maybe that's where your problems are starting |
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| 17:57.07 | stego | resiak, living out I guess? |
| 17:57.10 | peaceyall | ya thats if i right click and press load but thsi time i didnt i just press disc info |
| 17:57.13 | resiak | stego: Nah, sshing home :) |
| 17:57.18 | valdyn | SnitraM: that does not really affect on how you SET UP the network, read the faq |
| 17:57.21 | resiak | stego: Year, course, etc? |
| 17:57.23 | valdyn | !faq SnitraM |
| 17:57.24 | dpkg | SnitraM: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:57.31 | jetscreamer | is the tray closed, with blank disc inside? |
| 17:57.36 | robertg | Wow, this is really fucking weird. when I log in as the new user I created, it says "your session only lasted for 10 seconds..." and gives me the errors |
| 17:57.37 | peaceyall | ya |
| 17:57.40 | SnitraM | resiak: Because I have problems keeping up with the text. |
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| 17:57.47 | jetscreamer | shit dude write something and see if it works |
| 17:57.51 | peaceyall | ok |
| 17:57.52 | stego | resiak, 3/CS... |
| 17:57.56 | robertg | but when i login as my normal user, it doesn't give me *ANY* errors, just returns me to the login screen |
| 17:58.00 | resiak | stego: 1/MCS |
| 17:58.01 | robertg | but somehow root works |
| 17:58.11 | stego | resiak, how are you finding it? |
| 17:58.20 | hcy | "dpkg -l" crops the package names after a certain number of characters and then tells the version number. how can i get the full package names? |
| 17:58.22 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.27 | resiak | stego: Bits are insanely tedious, bits are baffling, but generally good. |
| 17:58.38 | jetscreamer | robertg, you might check permissions on ~/.ICEauthority and .Xauthority |
| 17:58.43 | resiak | stego: May I /msg you? |
| 17:58.48 | stego | resiak, of course. |
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| 17:59.07 | robertg | jetscreamer: how would they have gotten messed up? |
| 17:59.24 | jetscreamer | robertg, i dunno but they did for me once and gave me your symptoms |
| 17:59.29 | robertg | jetscreamer: owned by my user/group |
| 17:59.29 | jetscreamer | was a while ago though |
| 17:59.35 | hcy | it's a debian question! please answer :) |
| 17:59.38 | hcy | "dpkg -l" crops the package names after a certain number of characters and then tells the version number. how can i get the full package names? |
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| 17:59.46 | resiak | hcy: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 17:59.52 | robertg | jetscreamer: what should the permissions be? |
| 17:59.53 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show <packagename? |
| 17:59.53 | hcy | thanks resiak |
| 18:00.57 | jetscreamer | long as it's rw for the user should be ok |
| 18:01.06 | robertg | jetscreamer: that's what they both are |
| 18:01.09 | jetscreamer | robertg, i've seen other things give me that also |
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| 18:01.25 | robertg | and now my screen is all messed up too |
| 18:01.37 | jetscreamer | i didn't do it |
| 18:01.37 | robertg | everything's shifted to the side |
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| 18:01.42 | robertg | and the browser cuts off |
| 18:01.46 | robertg | this is SO fucking weird |
| 18:01.48 | robertg | i didn't touch my configuration |
| 18:01.50 | peaceyall | gah |
| 18:01.58 | jetscreamer | no workie peaceyall ? |
| 18:02.01 | peaceyall | its writing the lead out, been 1 min :/ |
| 18:02.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:02.20 | SnitraM | valdyn: The faq dpkg pointed me to doesn't seem to have any networking setup entries. |
| 18:02.20 | SlayerXP | robertg: clearly your machine has been broken into by l33t cR4X0r5 |
| 18:02.28 | jetscreamer | robertg, is this gnome or what |
| 18:02.35 | robertg | jetscreamer: Yeah |
| 18:02.40 | peaceyall | it sas writing lead out, this may take some time, and i only want to try and write a 82.5 KB file :/ |
| 18:02.45 | SlayerXP | grind the disk platters into dust, it's the only way to be sure |
| 18:03.15 | peaceyall | ok it sas its done :/ |
| 18:03.16 | jetscreamer | robertg, a hack is to move all the ~/.gnome stuff and just start clean... .gconf... others... |
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| 18:03.20 | peaceyall | lets see if i can read it |
| 18:03.28 | zappit | n00b question here... is there a way to recover a console that has messed up characters? say, when i do a 'cat' on an executable file... |
| 18:03.39 | robertg | jetscreamer: move them where? |
| 18:03.48 | robertg | just delete them |
| 18:03.50 | tweekken | stty sane ^J |
| 18:03.51 | robertg | ? |
| 18:03.52 | jetscreamer | robertg, anywhere... just not in /. |
| 18:03.58 | jetscreamer | err~/ |
| 18:04.00 | valdyn | SnitraM: then you didnt look, but i will hold your hand to -> http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage |
| 18:04.07 | jetscreamer | yeah del is good, but what if you wnat them back? |
| 18:04.16 | paulswm | zappit: reset |
| 18:04.32 | tweekken | stty sane CONTROL-j |
| 18:04.35 | zappit | paulswm: tnx. ill check this out. |
| 18:04.44 | robertg | jetscreamer: so what should i move? i have .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private, .gconf, .gconfd, .ICEauthority, etc |
| 18:04.47 | paulswm | zappit: you're welcome |
| 18:04.54 | RedPenguin | What is a nice firewall that uses iptables and can very easily add rules and stuff? |
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| 18:05.10 | RedPenguin | That doesn't use X at all that is |
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| 18:05.12 | tweekken | zappit: stty sane ^j |
| 18:05.13 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.26 | mortal | Red, smoothwall is nice, |
| 18:05.28 | peaceyall | well jetscreamer my tray is stuck :/ |
| 18:05.29 | SnitraM | valdyn: Thanks. But as it's under the heading "Old pages" I thought it was, well..., old. |
| 18:05.36 | mortal | but may not be what your lookn for |
| 18:05.39 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, it's probably mounted |
| 18:05.43 | peaceyall | no |
| 18:05.45 | peaceyall | i checked |
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| 18:06.05 | peaceyall | il just open it up the emergency open |
| 18:06.06 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, try using the k3b eject command/button/whatever |
| 18:06.24 | peaceyall | that doesnt work |
| 18:06.24 | RedPenguin | mortal, I know Smoothwall is nice, I was just curious what to put on my current Debian machine. |
| 18:06.27 | zappit | tweekken: tnx too :) |
| 18:06.51 | valdyn | SnitraM: yea, its new enough |
| 18:07.03 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, i'd be wondering about the drive it'self, but not much |
| 18:07.41 | SnitraM | valdyn: Ok. So if I don't put "auto eth1" (eth1 is the NIC to the outside) it won't start automatically, right? |
| 18:07.59 | valdyn | SnitraM: right |
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| 18:08.43 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 18:08.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:10.23 | peaceyall | well jetscreamer i opened the tray and i put the cd i my windows driive, it wrote on it :/ but i still cant read it here |
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| 18:10.37 | robertg | jetscreamer: wow, this is really fucked. now it's saying cannot create per-user configuration directory or whatever |
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| 18:10.44 | robertg | xchat can't create key-bindings folder |
| 18:10.49 | robertg | etc |
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| 18:10.58 | TheTom | anyone know why i get ugly characters in the output file (like a square) if i run script -a "$USER-`date +%Y%m%d`" |
| 18:10.59 | robertg | WTF happened |
| 18:11.12 | jetscreamer | robertg, ok now mv everything except for .bashrc and .bash_profile |
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| 18:11.22 | jetscreamer | and i hope you mv'd instead of rm'd |
| 18:11.29 | peaceyall | jetscreamer, dont u think its really wierd, that i can write but cant read |
| 18:11.34 | robertg | jetscreamer yes i did |
| 18:11.59 | SnitraM | valdyn: Thanks! However I'm still curious when is dhcp-client for and dhcp3-client for? And what is udhcpc lacking (it's "very small"). |
| 18:12.00 | robertg | you sure I should do that? |
| 18:12.07 | robertg | .Xauthority and everything? |
| 18:12.10 | robertg | it seems like a gdm permissions problem |
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| 18:12.25 | jetscreamer | robertg, that is the default clean profile |
| 18:12.36 | jetscreamer | you can always mv it back |
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| 18:13.23 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, yeah... peaceyall do you have the udf module loaded? |
| 18:13.35 | peaceyall | no i dont think so |
| 18:13.39 | peaceyall | is it called udf? |
| 18:14.04 | jetscreamer | 'think' it's called that, not sure, i compile it in.. it's for dvd filesystems |
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| 18:14.16 | peaceyall | wel.l i typed modprobe udf and it loaded |
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| 18:14.23 | jetscreamer | try reading it now |
| 18:14.28 | peaceyall | ok |
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| 18:14.31 | Gnurdux | ive tried sarge and its a little too old so how annoying is sid? |
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| 18:14.48 | nnk | Gnurdux: old?! |
| 18:14.54 | jetscreamer | sarge old? sid rox. ymmv, you get both pieces... |
| 18:14.56 | Gnurdux | Gnome 2.6 |
| 18:15.00 | peaceyall | nop |
| 18:15.00 | paulswm | !sid |
| 18:15.00 | dpkg | methinks sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 18:15.03 | jetscreamer | sarge has 2.8 |
| 18:15.08 | peaceyall | smae error , ill try mounting manually |
| 18:15.08 | Nei | any recommended msn x gui client? |
| 18:15.13 | elcapi | hola |
| 18:15.18 | jetscreamer | amsn is one |
| 18:15.19 | robertg | jetscreamer: any explanation as to why my screen is all skewed? |
| 18:15.21 | Gnurdux | i would hate Woody |
| 18:15.33 | robertg | wow, now it just snowed up at the top |
| 18:15.36 | valdyn | SnitraM: dhcp-client is just the version 2 of dhcp3-client ( which is obviously v 3.x |
| 18:15.38 | robertg | just fucking great |
| 18:16.00 | jetscreamer | irc_hide_version set to: 1 |
| 18:16.12 | Gnurdux | well, woody is certainly out of date |
| 18:16.20 | Gnurdux | so sarge i guess is ok |
| 18:16.24 | peaceyall | well jetscreamer i typed this mount -t udf /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 |
| 18:16.35 | robertg | jetscreamer: when i look at "w", i see root :0 - 13:09 ?xdm? 47.76s 0.44s x-session-manag |
| 18:16.35 | peaceyall | and i got thiserror mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 18:16.36 | peaceyall | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 18:16.36 | peaceyall | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.41 | Gnurdux | and after its release i can upgradre to the next testing |
| 18:16.42 | Gnurdux | bye |
| 18:16.42 | robertg | should that be there? |
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| 18:16.50 | jetscreamer | robertg, not unless your XF86Config-4 got altered or the module corrupted i wouldn't |
| 18:17.02 | robertg | jetscreamer: how would it have gotten corrupted? |
| 18:17.07 | robertg | i didn't touch it |
| 18:17.30 | robertg | last night when i logged out i noticed the screen was all weird, but i thought it was just temporary |
| 18:17.33 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, yeah it would mount it rw.. try auto instead of udf maybe |
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| 18:18.11 | robertg | hold on, i'm going to try loggin in again |
| 18:18.13 | jetscreamer | robertg, no idea then |
| 18:18.16 | jetscreamer | yeah that helps |
| 18:18.27 | robertg | jetscreamer: heh, no, to a non-root user |
| 18:18.32 | robertg | which will probably just fuck up |
| 18:18.42 | id10t | anyone here use hylafax ? |
| 18:18.46 | peaceyall | jetscreamer same error |
| 18:18.51 | sussudio | in soviet russia, hylafax uses id10ts |
| 18:19.34 | laomao | Please can someone recommend a multimedia how-to for debian/testing? I've been messing around for a while now, having read the desktop survival guide. I don't know whether to trust the marillat or cerkinfo repos. No hurry - I just want to read and understand what I'm doing. |
| 18:19.36 | id10t | sussudio something better for sending? |
| 18:19.45 | jetscreamer | marillat is your god |
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| 18:19.46 | Roey | hello |
| 18:20.07 | laomao | I want dvd playback and avi/divx creation primarily. |
| 18:20.08 | Nei | is there anything for video conferencing? |
| 18:20.11 | id10t | laomao install mplayer from source and the win32 codecs |
| 18:20.11 | Roey | Where can I get the 2005 ziyi keys for ftp.nerim.net and non-us.debian.org ? |
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| 18:20.16 | kings | hi can anyone help me with what I have done wrong here? whats the problem ? fglrx: version magic '2.6.10-1-386 686 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10-1-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3' |
| 18:20.18 | peaceyall | jetscreamer im gonna restart , cause even my cd-rw arnt being read |
| 18:20.19 | peaceyall | :/ |
| 18:20.28 | jetscreamer | peaceyall, when you get the 'info' with k3b, does the disc get mounted? |
| 18:20.32 | jetscreamer | k |
| 18:20.37 | joachim | hey. i would like to color apt-get, who is the developer to talk to? |
| 18:20.39 | peaceyall | no it doesnt |
| 18:20.39 | jetscreamer | shouldn't help btw |
| 18:20.56 | peaceyall | ya but my tay is stuck and i have to emergency open it :/ |
| 18:21.07 | jetscreamer | ah... it's mounted i tell you |
| 18:21.11 | jetscreamer | somewhere |
| 18:21.19 | peaceyall | but it sas it isnt |
| 18:21.20 | jetscreamer | or it's being referenced |
| 18:21.21 | kings | Ah have I used 386 where I should have used 686 ? |
| 18:21.27 | kings | hmm |
| 18:21.32 | kings | im stuck :( |
| 18:21.47 | jetscreamer | 386 should work, you don't have to use the 686 one |
| 18:21.59 | jetscreamer | it's just optimized |
| 18:21.59 | kings | so why do I have a version error ? |
| 18:22.08 | kings | they look the same ? |
| 18:22.15 | jetscreamer | oh... wrong subject sorry. |
| 18:22.19 | kings | fglrx: version magic '2.6.10-1-386 686 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10-1-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3' |
| 18:22.21 | jetscreamer | headers? |
| 18:22.29 | kings | what header? |
| 18:22.58 | kings | what is that error message saying to me ? |
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| 18:23.06 | kings | I dont understand it |
| 18:23.17 | laomao | id10t, w32codecs appear to be in cerkinfo; trying this :-) I would like to read some more though to understand what's involved. Guess mplayer documentation is the best place to start. Just wondered if there was any debian-specific stuff. |
| 18:23.18 | valdyn | kings: you forgot to configure whichever sources / headers were used to compile fglrx? |
| 18:23.44 | Koffa | 45mins idle, no timeouts yet :) |
| 18:24.06 | kings | valdyn, fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-386" --added-modules fglrx-kernel-src modules_image |
| 18:24.28 | kings | did I do something wrong there? |
| 18:24.36 | id10t | laomao if you don't have anything that is gonna depend on mplayer being installed then just don't use apt for it and do it from source by hand |
| 18:25.03 | valdyn | kings: try module-assistant |
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| 18:25.36 | laomao | id10t, what about ripmake / dvdrip / acidrip - do these depend on mplayer? |
| 18:25.36 | id10t | laomao ./configure --/prefix=/opt/mplayer ... when done installing, just make links from there to where they need to be in /usr/ or /usr/local... |
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| 18:25.50 | id10t | laomao no idea.. don't use 'em. |
| 18:25.57 | valdyn | !tell laomao about marillat |
| 18:26.21 | id10t | laomao or, use the source and then use checkinstall to make a .deb to install to meet the dependencies... |
| 18:27.31 | jetscreamer | marillat is *the* place for a/v .debs |
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| 18:30.56 | drac | kings: nothing wrong with that line, but when you configured the kernel sources with make-kpkg you did error there. |
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| 18:32.17 | drac | kings: configure them again, make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-386" --revision 2.6.10-1 --config old configure |
| 18:32.58 | varun | hello |
| 18:33.20 | drac | kings: and before doing that, of course copy /boot/config-2.6.10-1-386 as .config to kernel source directory. |
| 18:33.47 | varun | does somebody know something to watch a remote system(gkrellm like system watching) |
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| 18:34.44 | gilles | how can i have a look at the file : "http://140.111.34.46/cgi-bin/dict/newsearch.cgi" ? |
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| 18:35.34 | drac | gilles: mail admin of that site? |
| 18:35.46 | RedPenguin | What on earch is a no_proxy? |
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| 18:36.10 | gilles | drac: i should be able to d/l it, isn't it ? but i don't know how... |
| 18:36.17 | fabietto | Hi at all. I've got some problems with hotplug, since i switched to the 2.6.10 kernel. When I insert a pcmcia wireless adapter into the slot, lspci doesn't show me this new hardware. Any suggest? |
| 18:36.25 | kings | drac, ah thanks I'll try that :) |
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| 18:37.11 | drac | gilles: i don't see how that could be possible. |
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| 18:37.57 | drac | kings: also, if that is only mistake you have done, modprobe -f fglrx should work, but it's not the way to go :) |
| 18:38.03 | drac | kings: force is evil |
| 18:38.55 | raf256 | system do not see my USB devices and viceversa |
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| 18:39.09 | thefly | ahahaha |
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| 18:40.19 | MooglyGuy | Say, do any of you have access to machines that have compilers installed, for which I don't already have binaries listed on this page? http://www.zophar.net/personal/mooglyguy/codegen.html |
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| 18:41.40 | resiak | MooglyGuy: Quit polling. |
| 18:41.45 | resiak | !tell huliganz about away |
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| 18:42.43 | gilles | drac: you mean, cgi scripts are not d/lable ? |
| 18:43.15 | MooglyGuy | resiak: Perhaps your concept of annoying differs with my own, insofar as I do not find asking a question perhaps once every hour or two to be annoying, whereas I do find the constant stream of newbies in here who don't have the wherewithal to read a fucking man page to be very annoying. |
| 18:43.39 | drac | gilles: no, since they are runned by server. it's like.. if you have binary, you can't turn it back to sources. at least not easily. |
| 18:43.44 | drac | gilles: you just have to mail the admin. |
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| 18:44.02 | resiak | MooglyGuy: I agree, and sorry: that was something of a reflex. |
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| 18:44.34 | MooglyGuy | No biggie. |
| 18:45.27 | kings | drac - im confused now - I did as you said and got this : fglrx: version magic '2.6.10-1-386 preempt 686 gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.10-1-386 preempt 386 gcc-3.3 |
| 18:45.32 | gilles | drac: i remember years ago, pressing Shift and Enter would download a html page... |
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| 18:46.06 | lone_marauder | Uh oh - now we have proof that Linux contributes to the delinquency of minors. |
| 18:46.23 | kings | do I have the wrong kernel ? should I have grabbed a 2.6.10-686 kernel image ot build against? |
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| 18:47.15 | atomcomputer | hello |
| 18:47.39 | atomcomputer | sorry, ive a big problem, after an installation of debian sarge |
| 18:47.54 | atomcomputer | my computer boots and i've COnfiguring the base system |
| 18:48.12 | atomcomputer | and the computer continualy retry to load base-config |
| 18:48.17 | atomcomputer | what can i do ? |
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| 18:48.28 | spiW | shut down ? |
| 18:48.32 | Gnurdux | so sarge isnt old? |
| 18:48.41 | jetscreamer | not that old... |
| 18:48.47 | jetscreamer | tiny bit |
| 18:48.50 | Gnurdux | not like woody i know |
| 18:48.58 | Gnurdux | so you think i should stick to testing? |
| 18:48.59 | raf256 | damn, why mount /dev/sdb /mnt/usb1/ changes chmod of /mnt/usb1 to 744 ? |
| 18:49.01 | drac | kings: after configuring the sources like i told you, you compiled the module again, right? |
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| 18:49.14 | jetscreamer | Gnurdux, that's up2u.. me, i can't stand testing, but i'm weird |
| 18:49.15 | Gnurdux | oh i heard how to fix that |
| 18:49.15 | mentor | Gnurdux: It's as more old in that it's current and not excessively new... |
| 18:49.21 | atomcomputer | spiW: when i reboot, its the same |
| 18:49.22 | plupp | how do i talk to other logged in users on the same computer? |
| 18:49.25 | mentor | atomcomputer: Where does base-config keep restarting? |
| 18:49.26 | valdyn | kings: dont forget make-kpkg modules-clean |
| 18:49.26 | Gnurdux | you use Sid? |
| 18:49.27 | johaBBa | anyone have that link about how to ask smarter questions? |
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| 18:49.30 | jetscreamer | talk.. |
| 18:49.35 | jetscreamer | me i do |
| 18:49.41 | jetscreamer | !info talk |
| 18:49.45 | kings | ah I didnt make modules-clean |
| 18:49.46 | drac | kings: yeah, listen valdyn |
| 18:49.46 | dpkg | talk: (Talk to another user.), section net, is optional. Version: 0.17-10 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 18:49.47 | mentor | !smart questions |
| 18:49.47 | dpkg | i guess smart questions is Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with ... |
| 18:49.49 | Gnurdux | well, i heard sandman1 |
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| 18:50.05 | Gnurdux | say something about how to set perms |
| 18:50.08 | valdyn | kings: its required for alsa, its not for nvidia, i have nfc about fglrx |
| 18:50.12 | jetscreamer | chmod |
| 18:50.18 | Gnurdux | on mounting dos filesystems |
| 18:50.23 | Gnurdux | its something |
| 18:50.27 | atomcomputer | mentor: after the installation, the program failed becase he hasnt any free disk space. He restarting on tty0 after boot |
| 18:50.28 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 18:50.28 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 18:50.35 | Gnurdux | mount umask=blah |
| 18:50.41 | drac | kings: perhaps even make-kpkg clean before the make-kpkg line i told you |
| 18:50.54 | mentor | atomcomputer: Sounds like your disk is full...how big is it? |
| 18:50.56 | Gnurdux | mount umask=blah /dev/sdb /mnt/usbdisk |
| 18:50.56 | atomcomputer | mentor: juste after loading the kernel |
| 18:51.02 | spiW | atomcomputer, perhaps the config isnt finished |
| 18:51.13 | atomcomputer | mentor: 600meg, but now i've 400megs free |
| 18:51.14 | Gnurdux | when is sarge released? |
| 18:51.22 | jetscreamer | xmas 2006 |
| 18:51.24 | valdyn | !wwsr |
| 18:51.28 | atomcomputer | spiW: yes, but how can i do to restart the config ? |
| 18:51.29 | Gnurdux | its been frozen for some time now |
| 18:51.32 | TheTom | i just apt-get install libapache-mod-python and sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart and apache will work with python ? |
| 18:51.40 | Gnurdux | are you serious not till xmas 2006? |
| 18:51.44 | mentor | atomcomputer: Where did the installation fail because of no disk space? |
| 18:51.47 | drac | kings: and removing fglrx.ko from /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-386/kernel/drivers/char/drm/ before dpkg -i:n the new package. |
| 18:51.49 | Gnurdux | fr two years !!??!! |
| 18:51.52 | jetscreamer | Gnurdux, the holdup is the security updates... |
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| 18:52.02 | BadMan | hmm, what would be cuasing jpeg images to be broken in konquerer? |
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| 18:52.05 | mentor | !tell Gnurdux about wir |
| 18:52.07 | mentor | !tell Gnurdux about rsn |
| 18:52.07 | Gnurdux | so two more years until the relaese of sarge |
| 18:52.08 | Gnurdux | wow |
| 18:52.08 | atomcomputer | mentor: after download the programs with apt |
| 18:52.10 | jetscreamer | Gnurdux, i said it would be released by then, not it would be released on... |
| 18:52.14 | paulswm | !wwsr |
| 18:52.17 | reaper_ | how do i boot an imac with the debian install cd 1? |
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| 18:52.31 | jetscreamer | reaper_, don't use woody |
| 18:52.32 | reaper_ | doesnt seem to want to boot from the cd |
| 18:52.35 | raf256 | oh |
| 18:52.35 | paulswm | !test |
| 18:52.35 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
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| 18:52.40 | Gnurdux | sarge is the best distro ive used |
| 18:52.41 | reaper_ | im using 3.0 |
| 18:52.43 | Gnurdux | however |
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| 18:52.44 | raf256 | ok I added -o mask=000 to chmod and it worked \o/ |
| 18:52.48 | ChrysalisM | I got a usb jumb drive that works fine w/ 2.4 kernels but fails with 2.6's anybody familar with this |
| 18:52.54 | mentor | atomcomputer: That makes it sound like something has not been installed correctly... |
| 18:53.01 | atomcomputer | mentor: ive done an error when i select 'graphical environement', do you think i can restart the wizard instal |
| 18:53.05 | atomcomputer | mentor: yes |
| 18:53.07 | Gnurdux | ive only used Mandrake Gentoo CRUX and Sarge |
| 18:53.16 | Gnurdux | so my preference for sarge is understandable |
| 18:53.22 | BadMan | what would be causing jpeg images to be broken in konq gifs are fine... |
| 18:53.22 | spiW | atomcomputer, you must |
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| 18:53.25 | Gnurdux | bye |
| 18:53.42 | jetscreamer | reaper_, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 18:54.25 | jetscreamer | ChrysalisM, some module names changed, and you need module-init-tools.. hth all i know |
| 18:54.37 | reaper_ | looks like it should work.. the iMac i have is a G3 |
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| 18:54.45 | Gnurdux | will sarge ever have GNOME 2.8? |
| 18:54.51 | jetscreamer | sarge does |
| 18:54.55 | LT4life | i am trying to 'apt-get install bittorrent' but i am receiving the error 'bittorrent: Depends: python (>= 2.3) but 2.2.3-3 is to be installed' |
| 18:54.57 | Gnurdux | sarge has 2.6 |
| 18:55.05 | LT4life | but my problem is i don't want to apt-get upgrade |
| 18:55.11 | MobyTurbo | Gnurdux: apt-get update it, it will have 2.8 |
| 18:55.11 | jetscreamer | !info gnomevfs |
| 18:55.15 | LT4life | i am running all unstable sources |
| 18:55.23 | Gnurdux | they added 2.8 ? |
| 18:55.25 | Gnurdux | yay! |
| 18:55.31 | Gnurdux | that was nice of them |
| 18:55.39 | Gnurdux | ill do that on my dads laptop |
| 18:55.43 | MobyTurbo | Gnurdux: it's been out there for some time. |
| 18:55.56 | Gnurdux | not two months ago |
| 18:56.00 | MobyTurbo | Gnurdux: don't tell me you're installing Sarge from multiple CD snapshots rather than netinst |
| 18:56.02 | Gnurdux | this is not sid |
| 18:56.06 | Gnurdux | i did netinst |
| 18:56.08 | atomcomputer | spiW: what ? |
| 18:56.08 | LT4life | is ther any way i can get around this?? |
| 18:56.14 | Gnurdux | why with i do cd snapshots |
| 18:56.31 | Gnurdux | debian-installer rox |
| 18:56.35 | jetscreamer | !info libgnomevfs2-0 |
| 18:56.39 | dpkg | libgnomevfs2-0: (The GNOME virtual file-system library (runtime files)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 386 kB, Installed size: 652 kB |
| 18:56.41 | jetscreamer | !info libgnomevfs2-0 sarge |
| 18:56.45 | dpkg | libgnomevfs2-0: (The GNOME virtual file-system library (runtime files)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.3-11 (sarge), Packaged size: 388 kB, Installed size: 656 kB |
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| 18:56.48 | Gnurdux | also, when i netinstall my new desktop it will ocme with 2.8 i suppose |
| 18:56.50 | Gnurdux | good |
| 18:56.51 | Gnurdux | bye |
| 18:57.04 | ChrysalisM | anybody have a usb device that works with 2.4 kernels but not 2.6 kernels? |
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| 18:57.31 | mentor | atomcomputer: It sounds like you will need to login to the system and reinstall the borken packages... |
| 18:57.37 | mentor | atomcomputer: boot into single mode? |
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| 18:59.45 | Thaiger | Is there an easy way to copy everything on my root partition except my home directory to a new partition |
| 18:59.57 | jetscreamer | dd, then rm -R ~ |
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| 19:00.11 | totzilla | hello |
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| 19:00.27 | mentor | Thaiger: doesn't cp have an exclude option? |
| 19:01.03 | Thaiger | mentor: I read the man but I didn't see one |
| 19:01.06 | varun | does somebody know how to remote monitor a pc(gkrellm type |
| 19:01.09 | varun | ) |
| 19:01.38 | valdyn | varun: ssh -X remotepc && gkrellm |
| 19:01.45 | mentor | valdyn: I'm sure someone does, yes. |
| 19:01.47 | ChrysalisM | Thaiger: use tar |
| 19:01.51 | mentor | !tell valdyn about ask |
| 19:02.19 | valdyn | mentor: wrong targets |
| 19:02.26 | Thaiger | ChrysalisM: How would I go about doing that? |
| 19:02.30 | mentor | valdyn: Sorry. |
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| 19:02.39 | mentor | !tell varun about ask |
| 19:02.45 | mentor | varun: I'm sure someone does, yes. |
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| 19:03.08 | greg_work | i have a system where sshd keeps going defunct, running sarge/2.6.8 .. any ideas why that could happen? |
| 19:03.18 | mentor | Thaiger: Well, tar does have an exclude option, and you can use 'find' in general to generate a list of files with specific attributes. |
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| 19:03.40 | greg_work | oh, i also can't login again .. when i try to ssh to that system, ssh just sits there forever |
| 19:04.14 | raf256 | hmm system see my camera (dmesg notice USB attched, and lsusb shows it), but digital camera programs can not use it, what might be wrong? |
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| 19:04.40 | ChrysalisM | Thaiger: tar cpf - --exclude=dir ./* | tar xpvf - -C/directorytocopyto |
| 19:04.44 | tarzeau | www.mtp-target.org |
| 19:05.21 | ChrysalisM | exclude=home or whatever |
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| 19:07.25 | ChrysalisM | exclude proc too |
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| 19:07.55 | mentor | And all your other virtual FSs |
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| 19:08.54 | torte | hi |
| 19:09.47 | travisat | bye |
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| 19:09.57 | Thaiger | ChrysalisM: Thanks |
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| 19:10.09 | lizsac | what does it mean i have to be identified to join a channel? |
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| 19:10.44 | totzilla | i am having trouble getting better than 600x400 resolution, im on a laptop .are there pkgs for laptops that i may need? |
| 19:10.56 | ireverentReveren | i am trying to set up a new array (basically the old one with additional drives) but i am getting an error that the /dev/md0 is already initialized. How do i de-initialize it? |
| 19:11.19 | lizsac | how do i identify myself |
| 19:11.22 | lizsac | for a channel |
| 19:11.23 | lizsac | heh |
| 19:11.24 | lizsac | wtf |
| 19:11.29 | lizsac | ... #java You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 19:11.33 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:11.53 | jetscreamer | totzilla, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 maybe |
| 19:12.10 | totzilla | thanks jetscreamer |
| 19:12.22 | charmant | hello i've downloded the gcc package how do i do to install it |
| 19:12.29 | jetscreamer | hwy |
| 19:12.31 | jetscreamer | why |
| 19:12.38 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gccblah |
| 19:12.45 | jetscreamer | but dpkg -i .deb |
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| 19:13.08 | charmant | you mean i must gunzip the file and then? |
| 19:13.28 | charmant | sorry but i'm really newbie |
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| 19:13.30 | MobyTurbo | charmant: Debian has apt-get, which automatically downloads, decompresses, and installs software. |
| 19:13.31 | karrot-x | everytime i run `./synergc -f hostname` i get a signal 11 and x is killed, i'm running debian unstable, does anyone know of a reason for this? |
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| 19:13.43 | MobyTurbo | charmant: "apt-get install build-essential" |
| 19:14.03 | charmant | thanx MobyTurbo |
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| 19:14.23 | MobyTurbo | np |
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| 19:15.19 | charmant | doesnt work |
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| 19:15.31 | MobyTurbo | charmant: it must be done as root |
| 19:16.05 | charmant | yes but it says couldn't find package build-essential |
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| 19:16.28 | paulswm | charmant: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:17.46 | charmant | i dont know |
| 19:17.59 | charmant | i've installed the xorcom package with asterisk |
| 19:18.19 | Peto77 | hi. i installed sarge and the x windows won't start. i get "could not mmap pci memory message" error. please help |
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| 19:18.53 | charmant | i'm really dumb in the matter |
| 19:19.00 | gilles | Does someone know chinese channels on IRC ? |
| 19:19.00 | Peto77 | and i misplaced there somwthing %-) |
| 19:19.02 | streuner_ | !listkeys mmap |
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| 19:19.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mmap' by key (6): apt-mmap ;; dynamic mmap ;; mmap ;; dynamic-mmap ;; 'apt mmap ;; 'apt mmap #DEL#. |
| 19:19.15 | streuner_ | !dynamic mmap |
| 19:19.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 19:19.49 | paulswm | charmant: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say |
| 19:20.16 | Peto77 | thanks |
| 19:20.30 | charmant | paulswm 3.1 |
| 19:20.38 | paulswm | that's sarge |
| 19:20.51 | MobyTurbo | sarge has build-essential though... |
| 19:21.23 | charmant | yes but the xorcom removed many packages |
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| 19:21.43 | themolester | in a multicpu linux box, when a non multithreaded application is executed, is there any inteligence to which cpu handles the applications process? |
| 19:21.46 | MobyTurbo | sarge has no package named xorcom |
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| 19:21.51 | Peto77 | streuner_: but that's not the message i get and it don't seem to be a problem with apt, but with graphics i guess |
| 19:22.01 | paulswm | charmant: where did you install from originally |
| 19:22.16 | charmant | now i've downloade gccblah.tar.gz and i'd like to unpack it and build it via apt-get install |
| 19:22.41 | paulswm | charmant: you don't do it like that |
| 19:22.59 | charmant | paulswm i've downloaded a cd form xorcom.com and installed it |
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| 19:23.21 | valdyn | charmant: apt-get is not a build tool |
| 19:23.31 | themolester | charmant 90% of applications... (i havn't used that one) ./configure && make && make install |
| 19:23.49 | themolester | if one of em fails, it will not continue with next step |
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| 19:24.19 | themolester | could even make a alias for it in your bashrc call it tarinstall or something |
| 19:24.23 | MobyTurbo | charmant: xorcom doesn't seem to supply Debian, it supplies a Debian-based distro. |
| 19:24.32 | MobyTurbo | !based on Debian |
| 19:24.32 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 19:26.07 | sussudio | !badgercam |
| 19:26.08 | dpkg | http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/webcams/badger_wildlink_cam.shtml |
| 19:26.31 | paulswm | charmant: you need to ask your questions in the channel appriopriate to your distro. If you were running debian, apt-get intall build-essential would work. |
| 19:26.43 | calin | badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 19:26.43 | calin | woot |
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| 19:26.57 | _matt | anybody know y the install fails when installing onto a nfs root, a chroot fails for some reason |
| 19:27.06 | paulswm | !badgerknoppix |
| 19:27.06 | dpkg | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 19:27.21 | BoomSie | Has anybody got experience with recovering partition tables? I've got output from gpart, but I'm totally clueless what to do with it. (fdisk? parted? How do I interpretate the gpart output?) |
| 19:27.39 | tarzeau | if i made MEPIS, i'd called it PEMIS |
| 19:27.57 | quittt | do you know a free shell that accepts eggdrop? |
| 19:28.05 | valdyn | BoomSie: fdisk or cfdisk, just create the partitions as shown on your printout |
| 19:28.08 | themolester | the ones that do suck |
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| 19:28.25 | charmant | ok lets imagine i've downloaded a package named hh.tar.gz, were should i unzip that file to get a vald hh package and install it via apt-get install hh |
| 19:28.33 | paulswm | sussudio: but http://www.wildlink.org/badgers.htm is so much better, don't you think? |
| 19:28.34 | MobyTurbo | darned dial-up time limits |
| 19:28.47 | ChrysalisM | BoomSie: if gpart looks like it found what you want... you do 'gpart -W /dev/hda /dev/hda' to write the output to the new partition table |
| 19:28.51 | _matt | ... ok can somebody please give me a command that will install debian to a directory using something like knoppix ? |
| 19:28.58 | paulswm | charmant: ask in the channel appropriate to your distro |
| 19:29.01 | valdyn | BoomSie: question is: will restoring your partition table even help you? |
| 19:29.13 | BoomSie | It doesn't look quiet as it should be |
| 19:29.16 | themolester | charmant if i buy a toyota, where do i park it to put a cutlass motor in it |
| 19:29.21 | MobyTurbo | charmant: apt-get downloads, unzips, and installs all in one step. If your distro can't even do that I'd hesitate to even call it "Debian based", much less Debian |
| 19:29.22 | valdyn | _matt: debootstrap |
| 19:29.23 | SamuelGZ | how can share internet between 1 pc with 2 interfaces? The first interface is connected to internet using dhcp & the other is to a 127.0.0.0 net without a gateway |
| 19:29.31 | valdyn | !tell _matt about debootstrap |
| 19:29.36 | karrot-x | when you download the kernel source from the debian packages, is it using the config file that compiled the kernels that you're currently using? |
| 19:29.43 | tarzeau | SamuelGZ: using NAT |
| 19:29.44 | _matt | valdyn, ahh thats whats failing when i try the nfs install |
| 19:29.48 | _matt | do you know y ? |
| 19:29.49 | ChrysalisM | BoomSie: save the current one first with 'dd if=/dev/hda of=saved.table bs=512 count=1' then go ahead and try it |
| 19:29.52 | tarzeau | SamuelGZ: you'll want to enable ip forwarding |
| 19:29.52 | charmant | lol |
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| 19:30.03 | valdyn | !tell nope |
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| 19:30.07 | noid2 | good evening |
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| 19:30.18 | robertg | Had to reinstall gdm/gnome |
| 19:30.21 | BoomSie | It's just a mixture of what it should be and some crazy info that doesn't make any sence. I've had 4 partitions on the thing. 1 primary (boot about 80M, gpart finds it) 1 extended with 2 partitions. Root and swap |
| 19:30.31 | robertg | jetscreamer, that was weird. I don't know how that happened |
| 19:30.34 | MooglyGuy | !tell MooglyGuy about where Beale's treasure is stored. |
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| 19:30.41 | BoomSie | It doesn't find root, but the other 3 are found |
| 19:30.46 | MooglyGuy | Damn. You useless bot. |
| 19:30.56 | robertg | I would really like to find out, especially how to prevent it |
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| 19:31.06 | sussudio | paulswm: badger. |
| 19:31.23 | BoomSie | http://www.sv-digitalis.nl/gpart-out.txt is the gpart output |
| 19:31.24 | sussudio | dual badger-ass! |
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| 19:31.37 | paulswm | sussudio: I was just about to say, TWO badgers :) |
| 19:31.37 | noid2 | can anyone suggest a application that emails daily server resource usage ? |
| 19:31.40 | ChrysalisM | BoomSie: if you save it first you can try and reverse the process with 'dd if=saved.table of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1' ... if you have lost your table gpart is what you got to do |
| 19:32.06 | paulswm | http://www.wildlink.org/badgers.htm is way cool |
| 19:32.22 | thenuke | (00:48 < macondo> thenuke, you're not following the intructions |
| 19:32.27 | thenuke | I wonder what I have done :) |
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| 19:32.34 | martinj | Hi |
| 19:32.35 | thenuke | when I have not even been in the irc at that time |
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| 19:32.46 | BoomSie | and saving is done by: dd if=/dev/hdd of=/mnt/hda2/saved bs=512 count=1 ? |
| 19:32.49 | martinj | Any good online tutorials(aids) in installing Debian Sarge? |
| 19:33.09 | ChrysalisM | Boomsie: what is the drive you are trying to recover |
| 19:33.13 | BoomSie | So I can just fuzzle around after the command with fdisk and try to recover it that way? |
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| 19:33.18 | BoomSie | hdd |
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| 19:33.27 | BoomSie | simple 8GB disk |
| 19:33.38 | BoomSie | just for debian root itself with swap and boot |
| 19:33.58 | ChrysalisM | that would be correct then |
| 19:34.18 | BoomSie | home and var are on other partitions. I've been searching for hours through logs and tried to find install details on the var partition, but couldn't find anything |
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| 19:34.29 | ChrysalisM | then do 'gpart -W /dev/hdd /dev/hdd' thats about all you can do |
| 19:34.31 | paulswm | thenuke: well id you weren't in irc, then you obviously WEREN'T FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS, heh :P |
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| 19:35.12 | ChrysalisM | BoomSie: if it finds the other partitions ok you may be able to re-add the missing partition manually if its the only space left on the disk |
| 19:35.17 | sussudio | in soviet russia, instructions follow you |
| 19:35.33 | martinj | no one? |
| 19:35.38 | paulswm | martinj: it's fairly straightforward, docs are on this page (as is the link to the netinstall iso): http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:35.46 | martinj | Thanks |
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| 19:36.01 | paulswm | martinj: you're welcome |
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| 19:36.18 | Led_Zeppelin | can anyone recommand a good system monitoring tool? |
| 19:36.18 | totzilla | hey thanks jetscreamer it worked nicely |
| 19:36.33 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: for x? |
| 19:36.34 | BoomSie | Another thing, he doesn't recognise the extended part, is that going to deliver any problems? Or do I have 3 primary partitions afterwards? |
| 19:36.51 | Chicago | hello...i have a dual boot system: win98/woody r3, but only have internet access through windows at the moment. how do i download security updates, package and kernel updates, download them to my windows partition, then boot into woody and configure my sources.list file to use the /mnt/windoze folder as an archive mirror so that apt-get update will work? |
| 19:36.52 | MobyTurbo | sussudio: that's a pretty good one |
| 19:37.18 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: no, I want something emailed to me. Like hack attempts, and stuff. |
| 19:37.27 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: asking because last week we got hacked :-( |
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| 19:37.36 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: why got you hacked? |
| 19:37.43 | ChrysalisM | BoomSie: i dunno just try it and if you dont like the results restore it with your backup of the current one |
| 19:37.43 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: because you didn't get emails about hack attempts? |
| 19:37.51 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: no of course not. because you didn't read harden-doc |
| 19:37.52 | martinj | What about a link to very noobs? |
| 19:37.58 | tarzeau | Led_Zeppelin: do it now: apt-get install harden-doc |
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| 19:38.00 | Led_Zeppelin | tarzeau: no, i didn't have any setup before. Now I am trying to harden my systems ;-) |
| 19:38.20 | BoomSie | THnx in advance, hope this thing gets the system running again |
| 19:38.35 | ChrysalisM | BoomSie: its like fsck, if fsck can't fix it you are pretty much screwed |
| 19:38.35 | tarzeau | paulswm: huh? |
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| 19:38.39 | zap-clone | hello |
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| 19:39.04 | zap-clone | any reason why sarge netinstall CD doesn't find my NIC in the setup? |
| 19:39.11 | tarzeau | zap-clone: nvidia ? |
| 19:39.12 | zap-clone | it's a 3com905c |
| 19:39.13 | FieldySnuts | shitty nic? |
| 19:39.16 | FieldySnuts | n/m |
| 19:39.17 | zap-clone | which works fine on windows |
| 19:39.23 | FieldySnuts | which doesn't matter, this isn't windows |
| 19:39.27 | paulswm | tarzeau: You sounded passionate, is all, not very good now I have to explain it :) |
| 19:39.28 | FieldySnuts | but i know that card works in linux, so I dunno |
| 19:39.32 | martinj | nvm |
| 19:39.39 | martinj | I think the manual should be enough |
| 19:39.48 | zap-clone | FieldySnuts, I also know, but neither 2.4 nor 2.6 finds it |
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| 19:40.01 | BoomSie | aY, it isn't hardware related though, but the entire partition table was just .... gone. System was still running, but I had to be dumb and reboot the thing. Just read a tutorial about how stupid I am and that the crucial information also resides on the proc partition |
| 19:40.04 | FieldySnuts | no idea then, d-i problem, ask #debian-boot |
| 19:40.12 | zap-clone | martinj, if I chose the model manually (3c59x) it doesn't find it either |
| 19:40.14 | paulswm | martinj: once you get into the install, you'll find it's pretty straightforward, even for a noob. |
| 19:40.19 | tarzeau | paulswm: i mean it just sounded like a baby "mommy i burned my finger on the cooking plate" |
| 19:40.36 | paulswm | tarzeau: yes! very good! |
| 19:40.40 | tarzeau | dpkg breastfeed me |
| 19:40.40 | noid2 | can anyone suggest a application that emails daily server resource usage ? |
| 19:40.42 | Chicago | is there a better debian channel to ask my question? |
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| 19:40.46 | martinj | Paulswm I did that and messed up and oh boy |
| 19:40.52 | martinj | So I am going now with a manual! |
| 19:41.19 | paulswm | martinj: Yes, I didn't mean not to read the install instructions first :) |
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| 19:41.32 | Chicago | or a link to a detailed answer? |
| 19:41.36 | martinj | paulswm I learnt that the hard way |
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| 19:42.16 | BoomSie | Chicago, why isn't internet working on Debian? |
| 19:42.21 | MobyTurbo | Chicago: if you're runnining Debian without a net connection, you're missing out on half the reason for running it |
| 19:42.26 | FieldySnuts | nice vague question |
| 19:42.29 | ChrysalisM | BoomSie: you may have a backup of the original in your /boot directory if you use lilo |
| 19:42.34 | Chicago | i understand that |
| 19:42.38 | jnc | hello all. i am stuck, i want to package libtheora alpha4. it uses something calld cdbs. any clue how to build deb packages for this system? |
| 19:42.44 | paulswm | martinj: it is a worthwhile lesson, though, every screw up is valuable (if one leanrs from it) :) |
| 19:42.44 | BoomSie | sorry, all grub :( |
| 19:42.45 | Chicago | i have a connexant modem |
| 19:43.02 | BoomSie | so ... |
| 19:43.07 | FieldySnuts | get a real modem, those are win-modems designed to work only in windows. you can get them to work in linux, but it's not worth the bother. |
| 19:43.08 | ChrysalisM | try it |
| 19:43.08 | tommi^ | Hi. I've done the tour of distros again and it seems I'm coming back to Debian again. It such a great distro and fits for all my needs. I want to thank who have been involved with developing Debian and the users of this channel for support. Thank you! |
| 19:43.09 | Chicago | i installed linuxant to run it under linux, but am having issues with it |
| 19:43.46 | Chicago | in the meantime...before i get a "real" modem and find out what i've been missing...is there anyone who has the answer to this question: |
| 19:43.49 | Chicago | hello...i have a dual boot system: win98/woody r3, but only have internet access through windows at the moment. how do i download security updates, package and kernel updates, download them to my windows partition, then boot into woody and configure my sources.list file to use the /mnt/windoze folder as an archive mirror so that apt-get update will work? |
| 19:43.51 | robertg | ughh |
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| 19:43.54 | robertg | everything seems to be going wrong |
| 19:43.58 | robertg | now my sound isn't working |
| 19:44.00 | takatumi | Chicago: what issues? |
| 19:44.00 | MobyTurbo | !metal tommi^ |
| 19:44.05 | martinj | How can one one help with translations? |
| 19:44.13 | paulswm | tommi^: That has brightened up my day, thanks for sharing :) |
| 19:44.17 | Chicago | the at commands don't work |
| 19:44.23 | Gokee2 | robertg, good sound is just annoying anyway |
| 19:44.28 | martinj | I would be able to assist checking French Translations and do translate to Swedish? |
| 19:44.31 | muaddib | If you have a dual head video card should you see 2 entries in proc? |
| 19:44.31 | paulswm | !prize tommi^ |
| 19:44.31 | robertg | Gokee2, heh. |
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| 19:44.47 | Chicago | i've been corresponding with the linuxant folks...don't worry...in the meantime, an answer to this particular question would be nice |
| 19:44.49 | beeblebrox87 | how do i force apt to downgrade a bunch of packages? |
| 19:44.53 | BoomSie | go download the debs which are newer, then "dpkg -i" the dep |
| 19:45.06 | scorphus | where do I get help on freenode issues? |
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| 19:45.14 | robertg | never mind, now it works ;) added myself to audio group |
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| 19:45.18 | beeblebrox87 | err, any way i can get it to do that for me? it's a lot of packages |
| 19:45.29 | tommi^ | But now, back to installing.. :) |
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| 19:45.56 | paulswm | tommi^: don't praise it until it's all up and running again, heh |
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| 19:46.01 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: distribution upgrading is basically a one-way process |
| 19:46.09 | sepski | Chicago, i'd use rsync on windows to regularly grab the entire security mirror, then configure /etc/apt/sources.list to use the /mnt/windows/whatever file area as a repository |
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| 19:46.18 | beeblebrox87 | MobyTurbo: why? |
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| 19:46.26 | tommi^ | paulswm, yeah, it might be task to do that. |
| 19:46.51 | BoomSie | so you're that bandwidth ripper sepski :p ;) |
| 19:46.53 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 19:46.53 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: shared libraries, to mention one of several possibilities |
| 19:46.53 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-bork was modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 19:46.54 | tommi^ | paulswm, I've certainly have had many problems installing it previously, but always I've managed to get it up and running the unstable. |
| 19:47.19 | sepski | Chicago, with rsync you dont have to know what is newer and what is not, and it only downloads the new stuff so you dont have to download more then what's needed, the downside is that you also download upgrades for things you dont need |
| 19:47.46 | sepski | BoomSie, i keep 12 debian's updated from that 1 downloded mirror, you do the math :;) |
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| 19:48.02 | paulswm | tommi^: I stick with testing, life is hard enough as it is :) |
| 19:48.05 | beeblebrox87 | if i lower all their versions in /var/lib/dpkg/status will that work? |
| 19:48.08 | sepski | BoomSie, and i dont use windows, but debian and apt-mirror, but that's a technicality |
| 19:48.23 | MobyTurbo | menganito: don't do that |
| 19:48.23 | FieldySnuts | @kill menganito |
| 19:48.31 | stoinov | !prize stoinov |
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| 19:48.34 | FieldySnuts | grr no ravenbird |
| 19:48.35 | Chicago | sepski, hmmmmm, how many megabytes or gigs are we talking about to download the mirror...keep in mind i use dial up |
| 19:48.44 | stoinov | 10xz |
| 19:48.50 | FieldySnuts | 12uj? |
| 19:49.02 | tommi^ | paulswm, but the testing, as I understand, can be more broken than unstable, when it's new. Am I right? |
| 19:49.19 | martinj | Why not use stable? |
| 19:49.19 | jnc | tommi^: yeah |
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| 19:49.32 | sepski | r# du -sh security.debian.org |
| 19:49.32 | sepski | 2.3G security.debian.org |
| 19:49.47 | idnar | I ran testing for about three weeks on one of my boxen; I found it to be more broken than sid, generally |
| 19:50.06 | jnc | i don't know about that |
| 19:50.06 | lanchow | is it normal that some people try to connect to my computer ? cat /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:50.08 | paulswm | tommi^: I have encountered hardly any problems with testing, but I suppose after the freeze when sarge goes stable and etch becomes testing, things may be a bit exciting for a couple of weeks |
| 19:50.09 | idnar | the problem is that instead of getting the bugfix that was uploaded yesterday, you have to wait around for however long it takes to make it into testing |
| 19:50.10 | lanchow | Feb 27 19:43:35 localhost sshd[5915]: Illegal user jane from ::ffff:222.170.7.245 |
| 19:50.26 | martinj | With Sarge Iso do you get a tool to shrink the ntfs partition? |
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| 19:50.31 | lunaphyte | did someone say my name? |
| 19:50.33 | jetscreamer | lanchow, change the default ssh port |
| 19:50.34 | tommi^ | paulswm, yes, that is the way I understood it too. |
| 19:50.35 | sepski | Chicago, i suggest you dl the mirror once on a friend or work site, on broadband, then just use your dialup for the minor upgrade |
| 19:50.42 | joachim | lanchow: no |
| 19:50.53 | MobyTurbo | tommi^: in my experience sarge is more stable than sid, but then again there's not much of a difference at the present moment between the two |
| 19:50.54 | beeblebrox87 | MobyTurbo: wow that was an ugly hack, but seems to be working |
| 19:51.02 | joachim | lanchow: as far as i know you can't use linux to resize ntfs at all, use a windows program |
| 19:51.03 | paulswm | martinj: yes, I believe the installer uses ntfsresize which is an excellent and safe tool |
| 19:51.03 | jetscreamer | martinj, generally, jacking with ntfs under linux is a bad idea, except for ro |
| 19:51.21 | joachim | paulswm: ntfs resize with linux? |
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| 19:51.24 | paulswm | jetscreamer: he's talking about the install |
| 19:51.28 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: what ugly hack? |
| 19:51.34 | jetscreamer | yes there are linux tools that supposedly resize ntfs.. but... |
| 19:51.35 | tommi^ | martinj, not suitable for my desktop needs. I just like to see all the new the cool stuff.. :) |
| 19:51.38 | beeblebrox87 | all the packages to be downgraded were the same as the versions i wanted to replace them except they ended in ".0.0.1.gcc4" so i had perl replace that string with nothing |
| 19:51.44 | paulswm | joachim: sure, and safely, I must have done it a dozzen times in the ;ast three months |
| 19:51.48 | beeblebrox87 | in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 19:51.53 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: that was *NOT* my idea |
| 19:51.59 | beeblebrox87 | no, it wasn't |
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| 19:52.07 | lanchow | jetscreamer: what is the person trying to do ? |
| 19:52.07 | Chicago | sepski, alright, thanks, i'll try that...but will that also handle the package and kernel upgrades that apt-get update provides? |
| 19:52.07 | beeblebrox87 | it was my workaround to you lacking ideas |
| 19:52.16 | paulswm | joachim: package is ntfstools |
| 19:52.21 | martinj | I think I might use partition to resize it and just mount as ro ntfs once Debian is running |
| 19:52.31 | jetscreamer | lanchow, looks like log into your box via ssh.. not sure |
| 19:52.31 | jnc | i would like some help with making debian packages :/ |
| 19:52.40 | beeblebrox87 | let this be a lesson to #debian: if you don't tell somebody what to do, they'll probably do something stupid |
| 19:52.44 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: it was your ugly hack because there is no good way to downgrade a distribution. |
| 19:52.47 | martinj | Who will co ordinate Linux Kernel Dev when Linus dies? |
| 19:52.57 | tommi^ | MobyTurbo, Surely, it might be and should be more stable than sid at the moment. |
| 19:52.57 | jetscreamer | his sucessor |
| 19:53.05 | jetscreamer | !dict sucessor |
| 19:53.07 | martinj | Who is? |
| 19:53.07 | paulswm | martinj: I beleive that it will increase your risk, the installer should do it OK |
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| 19:53.14 | martinj | Hm |
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| 19:53.16 | doublehp | what time of day ( in UTC) are updated DE mirors ? I have two critical bugs which are said to be solved by new releases, and I need to know when the new packages will be available ... |
| 19:53.19 | jetscreamer | !hi alejandro_ |
| 19:53.20 | dpkg | Many greetings, alejandro_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 19:53.26 | martinj | Hope it says in the manual how to resize it |
| 19:53.27 | beeblebrox87 | martinj: Linus, being healthy at the moment, has not chosen a successor. |
| 19:53.33 | paulswm | joachim: my mistake, the package is ntfsprogs |
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| 19:53.46 | martinj | What if he died due to an accident? |
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| 19:53.48 | jetscreamer | doublehp, try incoming.debian.org if you're in a hurry |
| 19:53.50 | MobyTurbo | tommi^: there was recently a burp in the xserver-xfree86 package for sid example, if you're running testing you'll never see that. |
| 19:53.53 | beeblebrox87 | probably Andrew Morton or Alan Cox or somebody like that |
| 19:53.57 | bucky | beeblebrox87, if someone cant be bother to read enough to find out the difference between sid and sarge... they'll prolly do something stupid anyway |
| 19:54.00 | MobyTurbo | for sid for example* |
| 19:54.06 | livingtm | how do i get a list of all available users/groups? |
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| 19:54.21 | beeblebrox87 | bucky: agreed, i'm not sure what that has to do with anything |
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| 19:54.28 | tommi^ | MobyTurbo, What version of Gnome is in testing? |
| 19:54.30 | sepski | Chicago, you grab the mirror, you get it all. if there is a big upgrade you can do it at a frieds house, i suggest getting a removeable usb2.0 harddrive for keeping the mirror on that way it's easy to move back and forth between a broadband site and home |
| 19:54.33 | jetscreamer | 2.8 |
| 19:54.35 | paulswm | livingtm: cat /etc/passwd /etc/group |
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| 19:54.44 | alus | /bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or diretory |
| 19:54.44 | streuner_ | !info gnome-session sarge |
| 19:54.46 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 434 kB, Installed size: 1432 kB |
| 19:54.46 | beeblebrox87 | i was downgrading from a third-party repository compiled with gcc-4.0 back to mainline sid |
| 19:54.49 | alus | why would I get that? |
| 19:54.50 | linuks | i'm installing sarge...what kernel shoudl I choose? I mean...would I get any issues by choosing latest? |
| 19:54.58 | jetscreamer | linuks, doesn't matter |
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| 19:55.04 | tommi^ | hmm.. thanks |
| 19:55.10 | livingtm | paulswm: thanks |
| 19:55.10 | paulswm | linuks: I have had no issues with 2.6 |
| 19:55.14 | Chicago | sepski, excellent advice...thanks |
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| 19:55.25 | paulswm | livingtm: you are most welcome |
| 19:55.27 | linuks | ok...i'll go with latest |
| 19:55.28 | linuks | thanks |
| 19:55.29 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: let me know what repository is using gcc-4.0 so I will avoid it. |
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| 19:55.58 | biss | bonsoir |
| 19:56.00 | jetscreamer | linuks, what you may run into is mousedev not getting loaded, and maybe an audio module or 2 not getting loaded |
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| 19:56.08 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 19:56.08 | dpkg | :), paulswm |
| 19:56.13 | livingtm | paulswm: you know how to tell what users are allowed to su? |
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| 19:56.18 | alus | I get it while trying to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:56.24 | alus | where can I get dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 19:56.27 | jetscreamer | linuks, but that's ingeneral for a kernel-upgrade... (kinda) |
| 19:56.32 | linuks | jetscreamer: i see |
| 19:56.35 | alus | er, dpkg-preconfigure |
| 19:56.39 | beeblebrox87 | MobyTurbo: it's a little corner of the amd64 repository, which used to be much nicer than the main one back when they couldn't get mozilla to compile with 3.3 on amd64, but these days the 4.0 tree has fallen into disrepair so i'm switching back |
| 19:56.52 | tommi^ | bye bye.. |
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| 19:56.56 | drac | alus: debconf package. |
| 19:56.59 | beeblebrox87 | actually i think we still compile mozilla packages with 3.4 on amd64 |
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| 19:57.02 | beeblebrox87 | just not much else |
| 19:57.12 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: Oh, I see. Well, amd64 is generally in a bit of an experimental state in Linux anyway... |
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| 19:57.33 | luctor | whats up with the debian unstable kde packages ? |
| 19:57.35 | beeblebrox87 | MobyTurbo: which is why i've been using it stably for the past year? |
| 19:57.46 | streuner | luctor: you tell us |
| 19:58.03 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: I don't mean neccesarily computer-crashing problems |
| 19:58.12 | beeblebrox87 | what sort of problems, then? |
| 19:58.16 | paulswm | livingtm: anyone can su to a different user if they know the id and password, if you mean sudo, they're specfied in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:58.22 | beeblebrox87 | everything works for me |
| 19:58.32 | bucky | beeblebrox87, then you know about #debian-amd64 |
| 19:58.33 | beeblebrox87 | except flash, but good riddance. |
| 19:58.37 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: I mean it's bleeding edge, and requires sometimes hacks that shouldn't be neccesary if it weren't bleeding-edge |
| 19:58.38 | luctor | streuner: apt-get install kde tThe following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 19:58.40 | beeblebrox87 | bucky: yes, i do |
| 19:58.54 | beeblebrox87 | MobyTurbo: well yes, bleeding edge by debian terms |
| 19:58.55 | streuner | luctor: what does BTS say? |
| 19:59.01 | ambycrao | what does sudo means ? |
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| 19:59.14 | luctor | streuner: BTS? |
| 19:59.15 | streuner | ambycrao : man sudo |
| 19:59.16 | tarzeau | luctor: that's normal |
| 19:59.19 | beeblebrox87 | ambycrao: runs a command as another user, generally root |
| 19:59.22 | streuner | luctor: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:59.25 | luctor | tarzeau: ok |
| 19:59.38 | tarzeau | luctor: just like with the large dependency gnome meta package |
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| 19:59.49 | luctor | streuner: bug tracking you mean |
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| 20:00.55 | luctor | tarzeau: ok, so if this is normal how can I install k3b which is the only kde app I actually need right now |
| 20:01.05 | paulswm | ambycrao: man sudo for a full explanation |
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| 20:01.17 | dao | anyone here got problems with bootsplash too, al worked fine untill upgrade with apt... I can even remove the bootsplash-theme-packages anymore |
| 20:01.20 | tarzeau | luctor: learn cdrecord, my honest tip i can give |
| 20:01.30 | streuner | luctor: just try cdrecord at the command-line |
| 20:01.32 | dao | *can't |
| 20:01.43 | streuner | luctor: or cdrdao |
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| 20:02.27 | luctor | streuner: for dvd too ? I had a hard time figuring it out last time I installed |
| 20:02.35 | paulswm | luctor: command line cdrecord or dcrdao is very good advice from the guys above |
| 20:02.46 | streuner | luctor: well, if your version support DVD yes |
| 20:03.06 | luctor | streuner: my version of cdrecord you mean ? |
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| 20:03.23 | streuner | luctor: check out /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/* |
| 20:03.28 | Vme- | where can I download the SID netinstall CD? |
| 20:03.34 | Vme- | all i see is the SARGE |
| 20:03.34 | tarzeau | Vme-: you can't |
| 20:03.39 | Vme- | really |
| 20:03.40 | streuner | Vme-: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 20:03.47 | tarzeau | Vme-: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 20:03.57 | Vme- | you have to get the sarge and then upgrade to SID? |
| 20:04.02 | tarzeau | Vme-: yes |
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| 20:04.07 | streuner | Vme-: if you have to ask follow the suggestion from tarzeau |
| 20:04.10 | paulswm | If you can call it an upgrade |
| 20:04.25 | luctor | cdrdao is equivialent to cdrecord ? |
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| 20:04.36 | sussudio | :-| |
| 20:04.44 | streuner | luctor: no - cdrdao support DAO |
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| 20:04.54 | tarzeau | streuner: cdrecord don't? |
| 20:05.09 | streuner | tarzeau: sure - nowadays... ;-) |
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| 20:05.25 | luctor | streuner: direct access something ? |
| 20:05.35 | paulswm | sussudio: I assume that's the badgers-have-left face |
| 20:05.35 | streuner | !dao |
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| 20:05.45 | dpkg | [dao] Disc At Once: burns a disc all at once, not one track at a time, lets you set the gap between songs (track at once is always 2 seconds), some data CD's won't burn without DAO (Kodak CDs, Macinosh CDs, CD-XA, VCD, etc.). Data Access Objects: Database engine which uses SQL, commonly used in Visual Basic, see RDO. |
| 20:05.55 | sussudio | paulswm: no more peanuts |
| 20:06.06 | paulswm | :( |
| 20:06.25 | dao | anyone here got problems with bootsplash too? All worked fine untill upgrade with apt... I can't even remove the bootsplash-theme-packages anymore.. pre-removal script error.. |
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| 20:07.27 | jetscreamer | fix the script |
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| 20:07.49 | paulswm | dao: What distro are you running becasue debian doesn't have bootsplash pacakges afaik |
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| 20:07.56 | streuner | those 'netvigator' user spam us with some spam-bots, is netvigator an ISP? |
| 20:08.05 | Lorvija | how to kill zombie process? |
| 20:08.09 | dao | paulswm, unstable... |
| 20:08.14 | Lorvija | kill -9 nor killall wont work |
| 20:08.18 | Drum | Hi I`am from Russia ) |
| 20:08.23 | abrotman | !ru |
| 20:08.23 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 20:08.25 | streuner | !zombie |
| 20:08.25 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 20:08.27 | linuks | i've just finished installing sarge...w00t! |
| 20:08.30 | paulswm | dao: Ah, I couldn't find it in sarge |
| 20:09.00 | dao | paulswm, http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian/ |
| 20:09.08 | streuner | Drum: fine - talk english, be OT and welcome. |
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| 20:09.46 | Lorvija | streuner hmm ok... Well the real problem is that due to those zombie processes I got my loads over 20(eat my memory) and apt is totally screwed.. It wont install anything. (i'm in the middle of changing from stable > testing) |
| 20:10.07 | paulswm | Lorvija: the zombie isn't really a process any more anyway, it's just taking up a slot in the process table |
| 20:10.18 | streuner | Lorvija: *cough*, can you reboot the box? |
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| 20:10.35 | linuks | ok..now i that I have debian installed....i know the kernel has tons of stuff not really needed....how can i remove unwanted modules from kernel? |
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| 20:10.45 | Lorvija | streuner well... im 4 days from 300 days uptime ;) so sure i can.. just dont want to :/ |
| 20:11.08 | Lorvija | paulswm and some memory :/ |
| 20:11.10 | |slocate | linuks: unset what you don't want |
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| 20:11.28 | dao | sometimes apt-upgrades can be annoying :) no bittornado, dcgui-qt, and bootsplash anymore |
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| 20:11.47 | linuks | |slocate: ummm how do I unset? |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | linuks: if you're new to linux .. leave it go .. a working kernel is better than a slim one |
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| 20:12.24 | paulswm | abrotman! |
| 20:12.27 | paulswm | Yay |
| 20:12.30 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 20:12.40 | |slocate | lol |
| 20:12.47 | paulswm | Yes, yay, why not |
| 20:12.50 | linuks | abrotman: ok :( |
| 20:12.51 | streuner | Lorvija: who cares if you 300 days uptime? .... |
| 20:13.01 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
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| 20:13.07 | Lorvija | streuner propably no one else but me (: kinda a small bet with a friend |
| 20:13.12 | abrotman | linuks: don't frown .. but kernel compiles aren't something you do on day one |
| 20:13.16 | abrotman | !prize paulswm |
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| 20:13.45 | rkn | So I've been waiting for this alpha package to appear. If it weren't autobuilding for some reason, would there be a bug report autogenerated (that I could look at)? |
| 20:13.46 | paulswm | abrotman: you *always* do that and I *always* feel bad |
| 20:13.54 | streuner | Lorvija: well, friends can win if they real friends ;-) |
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| 20:14.39 | Lorvija | streuner true =) but you think there is no other way? Also will it be problem that I'm halfway changing from stable > testing.. it installed about 100 packages but over 200 is still left.. |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | paulswm: is prise an english thing ? |
| 20:14.53 | paulswm | It's not the first uptime dick measuring contest we've seen (no offense Lorvija, heh) |
| 20:15.05 | paulswm | !dict prise |
| 20:15.12 | Lorvija | paulswm yea, i guess so :D |
| 20:15.15 | lizsac | i have a ss10 that's been up for 10 years |
| 20:15.25 | linuks | well...i guess i'll just stick to getting to know debian...i've used fedora before but decided to switch to debian |
| 20:15.30 | paulswm | abrotman: prise means to lever apart |
| 20:15.34 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 20:15.38 | brullo | abrotman, I have some dedicated servers running apache and samba. How much will a custom slimmed kernel gain performance? Also, do I get better security? |
| 20:16.18 | paulswm | abrotman: ricky_clarkson put it there to tease me, but it never comes up with the good ones when I call it |
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| 20:16.28 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 20:16.34 | abrotman | brullo: if they are nice machines .. basically none .. and only if you pay attention to security lists .. because you'll have to compile every time a new security issue comes up |
| 20:16.36 | paulswm | see, the crap ones |
| 20:16.42 | abrotman | !literal prise |
| 20:16.53 | abrotman | nice |
| 20:17.01 | abrotman | !literal cmd: prise (.*?) |
| 20:17.01 | dpkg | CMD: prise (.*?) is ($1): <action>(blows $1 apart with a lightly oiled explosive|removes $1 from the (sheep|goat|Welshman) he was molesting|forcibly removes $1 from $1's keyboard) |
| 20:17.11 | sepski | brullo, you get better security by sticking to debian kernels, becouse with a custom one you dont bother to recompile manuale everytime there is a hole detected. but with debian kernels it's 1 command and reboot and your secure again |
| 20:17.26 | |slocate | abrotman: how do you find out about the !keywords? |
| 20:17.32 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 20:17.35 | abrotman | damn |
| 20:17.38 | mortal | streuner, do init 1 and then back to init 3 |
| 20:17.40 | paulswm | :( |
| 20:17.43 | paulswm | *sniff* |
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| 20:17.50 | abrotman | |slocate: /msg dpkg listkeys <blah> |
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| 20:18.01 | abrotman | or listvals |
| 20:18.04 | brullo | abrotman, sepski Ok thanks. apt-get is one of the main reasons for me to use debian. Ill stick with the standard kernel as I have no performance problems really. |
| 20:18.25 | sepski | brullo, youll probably get a lot more out of tweaking apache for your need and load |
| 20:18.44 | brullo | sepski, Ok, sounds logical. |
| 20:18.44 | sepski | brullo, and im not talking about compiling, just config changes |
| 20:18.44 | mortal | that will kill off any gunk that has been lurkn around |
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| 20:19.06 | paulswm | brullo: good, the biggest advantage of a compiled kernel is that it boots faster, and the whole idea is not to do that :) |
| 20:19.18 | abrotman | runs smaller also |
| 20:19.21 | doublehp | jetscreamer: what is incoming.debian.org ? a mirror ? |
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| 20:19.30 | abrotman | doublehp: incoming packages |
| 20:19.55 | brullo | paulswim, I havent rebooted my my servers since i installed them (in contrast to my 2003 server haha) |
| 20:19.59 | abrotman | !incoming |
| 20:19.59 | dpkg | methinks incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp) |
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| 20:20.09 | mrphreak | !tell mrphreak about nvidia |
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| 20:20.24 | abrotman | mrphreak: /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 20:20.46 | Xenguy | Is it just me or is firefox badly broken in debian sid? |
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| 20:20.54 | paulswm | abrotman: yes - I have custom ones on two boxes, but I'm running a stock 2.6.8-2-386 on a 32MB box :) |
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| 20:21.16 | mrphreak | abrotman ok, not problem :D |
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| 20:21.25 | paulswm | bwaaah no badgers |
| 20:21.26 | jetscreamer | doublehp, it's where packages go before they get put into regular repositories |
| 20:21.35 | jetscreamer | !incoming |
| 20:21.35 | dpkg | hmm... incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp) |
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| 20:22.09 | brullo | Whats the opinion on Adamantix? Good compatability with debian security updates? |
| 20:22.16 | mortal | what is dpkg wrote in? |
| 20:22.17 | quittt | !mosaic |
| 20:22.28 | abrotman | mortal: look at the code .. probably C |
| 20:22.29 | quittt | is there a Mosaic debian package? |
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| 20:22.47 | abrotman | !info mosaic |
| 20:22.56 | mortal | abrotman, no i'm talkn about dpkg the bot |
| 20:23.02 | abrotman | !blootbot |
| 20:23.02 | dpkg | i guess blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 20:23.10 | abrotman | mortal: perl i think .. not sure |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | quittt: mosaic the browser ? |
| 20:23.41 | stew | quittt: i don't think so yet, but an ITP was just filed within the last month or so |
| 20:24.27 | quittt | abrotman, yes |
| 20:24.29 | mortal | how do u guys have like a 300 day uptime? U must have a heavy duty ups |
| 20:24.29 | quittt | the browser |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:24.37 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:24.45 | abrotman | quittt: isn't that a bit old ? |
| 20:24.59 | paulswm | I thought that mosaic stopped development in 1997 |
| 20:24.59 | stew | quittt: you might wanna check the ITP and see if the maintainer has posted any packages yet |
| 20:25.02 | mortal | u! |
| 20:25.09 | dao | can someone plz help me with removing a bootsplash-theme-package? there's a pre-removal script error, and I don't know how to solve this |
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| 20:25.16 | quittt | paulswm, and it stopped |
| 20:25.24 | quittt | paulswm, I just wanna to try it |
| 20:25.31 | abrotman | dao: can you say please? |
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| 20:25.42 | EvanCarroll | !plz |
| 20:25.43 | dpkg | methinks plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 20:25.52 | paulswm | quittt: Oh, interesting, I'd like to do that too actually |
| 20:25.55 | doublehp | jetscreamer: there are just 10 woody package ... where is sid part ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297106 says that my bug is solved in 3-7, which is obviously already packaged, but on http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/gmailfs they still show 3-6 ... |
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| 20:26.13 | EvanCarroll | Dpkg you are awesome. |
| 20:26.13 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, EvanCarroll |
| 20:26.18 | mortal | !grammar nazi |
| 20:26.21 | abrotman | ftpmaster.debian.org ? |
| 20:26.29 | EvanCarroll | don't worry about it you perl bot of god you. |
| 20:26.32 | quittt | paulswm, in Windows it crashes.... |
| 20:26.33 | mortal | oh, suprisingly that's not in there |
| 20:26.37 | quittt | you may try with wine too |
| 20:26.49 | abrotman | it's not grammar .. it's just not projecting your idiocy |
| 20:26.56 | abrotman | !aolify mortal |
| 20:26.56 | paulswm | quittt: no shit, doesn't everything (j/k) |
| 20:27.00 | abrotman | feel better? |
| 20:27.17 | stew | abrotman: by godwins law he has lost |
| 20:27.26 | abrotman | that's because mosiac was made to work on like win3.11 |
| 20:27.27 | jetscreamer | shit i've never seen it so empty.. either it's not in incoming yet, or it's out of incoming. |
| 20:27.29 | abrotman | stew: lost what ? |
| 20:27.32 | Koffa | valdyn: I gave noapic and pci=routeirq to 2.6.10-1-386 and have an uptime of 4hrs :) |
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| 20:27.48 | stew | oh nm |
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| 20:27.55 | quittt | paulswm, what??? |
| 20:28.04 | abrotman | !fish MorgothDc |
| 20:28.08 | abrotman | !fish mortal |
| 20:28.21 | paulswm | quittt: crash in Windows, poor attempt at humor on my part |
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| 20:28.28 | jetscreamer | dao, i had to figure out how to edit the preuninstall script when it happened to me.. g'luck. |
| 20:28.30 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 20:28.31 | dothebart | hy, im looking for some further information on racoon-tool.conf. is there s.b. or some place more familiar to its syntax? |
| 20:28.39 | quittt | paulswm, ahhh heheh |
| 20:28.42 | omry_ | I have a wierd zombie process: its parent is init (1). any way to get rid of it without rebooting? |
| 20:28.45 | abrotman | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 20:28.47 | quittt | paulswm, with moderm Windows Mosaic doesnt work well |
| 20:28.55 | paulswm | @lart mortal |
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| 20:29.09 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 20:29.09 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:29.13 | abrotman | ravenbird has died!! |
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| 20:29.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: where's ravenbird ? |
| 20:29.23 | paulswm | Bwaaaah |
| 20:29.36 | stew | ravenbird has been absent for 2 days or so now |
| 20:29.40 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 20:29.40 | dpkg | :), paulswm |
| 20:29.46 | abrotman | i don't really use him . i don't know |
| 20:29.53 | stew | simonrvn: what's up with ravenbird? |
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| 20:31.10 | alus | "no usable dialog-like progam is installed" |
| 20:31.11 | alus | like what? |
| 20:31.20 | jetscreamer | likedialog |
| 20:31.25 | jetscreamer | apt-get install dialog |
| 20:31.32 | paulswm | !win jetscreamer |
| 20:31.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 20:31.54 | _matt | how do i use debootstrap from behind a proxy |
| 20:31.56 | jetscreamer | !dict dialog |
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| 20:32.39 | valdyn | !confuse _matt |
| 20:32.40 | dpkg | No, those was our weasel tomorrow, _matt? lederhosen of the democracy of belarus with extra cream |
| 20:32.59 | weasel | bad dpkg |
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| 20:33.29 | pestilence | !botsmack |
| 20:33.29 | dpkg | No thanks, I don't do smack. |
| 20:33.31 | _matt | ok, i wanna setup a new rootfs using bebootstrap |
| 20:33.34 | paulswm | !be a network barbie |
| 20:33.35 | dpkg | awwww, network is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 20:33.38 | _matt | half way through it lets me setup a proxy |
| 20:33.48 | _matt | but before that it dosn't |
| 20:33.59 | _matt | when i run .. debootstrap woody /mnt http://source.rfc822.org/debian |
| 20:34.09 | _matt | how do i tell it to use a proxy to get to that http addr ? |
| 20:34.12 | alus | repeat after me: "you have chosen Dialog as your interface for debconf questions, but no dialog-like program is installed, would you like to apt-get install dialog now?" |
| 20:34.15 | elirips | i am desperated about my x-window: it just doesn't work! i do a startx, for about one sec i see x on the screen, but then it just shuts down again but i don't get any error (EE) - lines in the logfile? what can that be? |
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| 20:35.12 | paulswm | _matt: you set the http_proxy enviromnet varioable, example: http_proxy=http://localhost:3128/ |
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| 20:36.22 | MobyTurbo | and unlike mortal, at least dpkg has FAQ information |
| 20:36.40 | valdyn | elirips: try just plain "X", does it work? |
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| 20:36.59 | schuler | hi |
| 20:37.24 | ron_ | when will glibc 2.3.3 be available as a .deb? |
| 20:37.27 | elirips | valdyn: yes! i see the mouse and can move it around |
| 20:37.28 | mortal | schuler, did you get my advice on init 1, init 3? |
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| 20:38.20 | valdyn | elirips: ok, startx "works" too, it just has no "working" session, have you made you mind up yet on which wm / desktop environment you want? |
| 20:38.37 | abrotman | mortal: what do you think init 3 would do? |
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| 20:39.14 | elirips | valdyn: thanks, now i feel a little bit stupid.. i only installed x-window-system and no wm yet.. do you know by chance a very simple wm that uses almost no ressources? |
| 20:39.19 | mortal | abrotman, he was having trouble with background processes |
| 20:39.26 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: obviously he thinks run levels mean something in Debian that they do for other distros |
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| 20:39.39 | abrotman | mortal: in debian run levels 2-5 are identical .. apparently you don't use debian much |
| 20:39.39 | mortal | I suggested that he drop down to init 1 and back up to init 3 |
| 20:39.49 | valdyn | elirips: whats your ram / cpu |
| 20:39.49 | abrotman | and the default in debian is 2 |
| 20:39.55 | mortal | apparently i don't |
| 20:40.00 | mortal | what's single user mode in deb? |
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| 20:40.10 | abrotman | actually .. i don't know any distro that defaults to 3 |
| 20:40.14 | drac | elirips: i would recommend xfce4.2, www.os-works.com. light, but still has lot's of features. |
| 20:40.17 | elirips | valdyn: 800mhz pentium 3, 512 mega ram. |
| 20:40.25 | mortal | slackware |
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| 20:40.44 | abrotman | well . that would explain that .. i haven't touched slackware in over 5 years |
| 20:40.45 | valdyn | elirips: you can use anything, plenty ram |
| 20:40.58 | mortal | anyway, i was trying to suggest schuler drop into single user mode and back up to multi |
| 20:41.11 | mortal | that tends to clear out any nagging processes |
| 20:41.13 | MobyTurbo | elirips: with that sort of hardware you can run most everything, though perhaps KDE or GNOME will run slower than you want. |
| 20:41.13 | watchdog | hello ! I'm running a 2.6 kernel (sarge) and have a problem with DMA... |
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| 20:41.35 | elirips | valdyn: okay thanks. going to look what i like. thanks a lot for your help! |
| 20:42.01 | watchdog | hdparm -i says the current mode is udma2, but hdparm says dma is *not* enabled ! |
| 20:42.11 | elirips | MobyTurbo: i don't need kde / gnome. i only want to be able to use mozilla, gftp and some graphical file-manager.. |
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| 20:42.27 | MobyTurbo | elirips: gnustep has an excellent file manager |
| 20:42.40 | MobyTurbo | elirips: gnustep is usually used with windowmaker (wmaker) |
| 20:42.49 | abrotman | gentoo or .. uhm ... |
| 20:42.49 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX |
| 20:42.56 | abrotman | what's the other gui filemanager |
| 20:43.01 | abrotman | xlt ? |
| 20:43.02 | elirips | MobyTurbo: thanks, going to try that. |
| 20:43.03 | abrotman | hmmm |
| 20:43.09 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: I hear people say nice things about ROX |
| 20:43.16 | watchdog | it won't work, EvanCarroll |
| 20:43.16 | abrotman | xne ? |
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| 20:43.30 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: What error? |
| 20:43.46 | watchdog | says : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 20:44.01 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: custom kernel or debian precompiled? |
| 20:44.14 | watchdog | custom... |
| 20:44.21 | abrotman | ah .. elirips xfe also |
| 20:44.25 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: xfe .. |
| 20:44.32 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: then i would guess you didn't compile dma support into the kernel |
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| 20:44.44 | MobyTurbo | abrotman: although I like XFCE4 OK, I didn't like its file manager. |
| 20:44.46 | jetscreamer | debconf fuxors up the symmetry of my grub menu.lst ... where do i edit this? |
| 20:44.53 | pestilence | is there any way to tell the speed at which the memory runs from linux? |
| 20:44.56 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: it's not an xfce filemanager |
| 20:44.58 | abrotman | !info xfe |
| 20:45.05 | pestilence | maybe someplace in /proc? |
| 20:45.06 | watchdog | i'm gonna check, but I believe I had done that |
| 20:45.07 | jetscreamer | you like xfe too? |
| 20:45.08 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.66-6 (sid), Packaged size: 531 kB, Installed size: 1876 kB |
| 20:45.20 | jetscreamer | xfe rox imo.. and mc in an xterm does too |
| 20:45.23 | elirips | abrotman: i am just apt'ing it |
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| 20:45.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: well .. i guess it's ok . it's like windows explorer |
| 20:45.42 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: is the device an IDE HD? |
| 20:45.47 | jetscreamer | xfe is a tiny bit buggy fs perm wise, but it's not non-functional |
| 20:45.48 | MobyTurbo | mc has some amazing network capabilities. If I was on a LAN with a lot of machines I'd consider it |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | elirips: i wouldnt be concerned about the bloat of the de on your system , more about consistency / look and feel ). apt-get install xfce4 *may* be a good compromise |
| 20:45.56 | jetscreamer | mc in an xterm is kickass |
| 20:46.13 | jetscreamer | don't even need gpm |
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| 20:46.26 | watchdog | yes it is, EC. |
| 20:46.43 | jetscreamer | icewm is nice and light |
| 20:46.44 | valdyn | elirips: but if you're still serious.. apt-get install fluxbox |
| 20:46.48 | watchdog | the same bahavior with my dvd reader |
| 20:46.51 | elirips | valdyn: that is not in stable, not? |
| 20:47.00 | jetscreamer | ls -ld /dev/dvd |
| 20:47.09 | valdyn | elirips: oh,nopr |
| 20:47.14 | valdyn | !info xfce woody |
| 20:47.18 | dpkg | xfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.16-2 (woody), Packaged size: 3770 kB, Installed size: 9892 kB |
| 20:47.32 | valdyn | elirips: that one is though ^^^ |
| 20:47.36 | paulswm | watchdog: did you check your kernel config per EvanCarroll |
| 20:47.44 | abrotman | elirips: blackbox should be if fluxbox isn't |
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| 20:47.56 | watchdog | paulswm, I'm just doing that... |
| 20:48.04 | valdyn | !info fluxbox woody |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.1.7-3 (woody), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 952 kB |
| 20:48.11 | paulswm | watchdog: Ah, sorry to bug you |
| 20:48.15 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: And in your kernel tree under device drivers -> ATA/ATAPI* -> ATA/ATAPI* -> do you have PCI IDE Chipset support -> Generic PCI bus-master DMA support enabled, |
| 20:48.28 | valdyn | no idea if that low version number means its not mature yet |
| 20:48.32 | gilles | čŊ·éŪææēĄæé ŧéåŊäŧĨčŊīäļæå |
| 20:48.42 | elirips | abrotman: blackbox looks nice, think i like that |
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| 20:48.55 | abrotman | gilles: say again ? |
| 20:49.07 | jetscreamer | fluxbox |
| 20:49.09 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: thats the location in the 2.6 tree, i believe 2.4 its slightly different |
| 20:49.13 | gilles | abrotman: i'm asking if there channel to speak chinese ? |
| 20:49.20 | abrotman | !chinese |
| 20:49.20 | dpkg | somebody said chinese was Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 20:49.30 | alus | how can I downgrade my version of X? |
| 20:49.34 | watchdog | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI:is checked |
| 20:49.41 | alus | with all the dependancies and whatnot |
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| 20:50.31 | EvanCarroll | watchdog: what about your CONFIG_BLK_DEV_{chipset} ? |
| 20:51.01 | EvanCarroll | watchdog, ie you in addition will need if your running on an intel system, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX |
| 20:51.25 | watchdog | in my case, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX: module |
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| 20:51.35 | TheTom | can anyone tell me how i mput directories with ftp ? |
| 20:51.56 | EvanCarroll | i have to go it sounds like your loaded right |
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| 20:52.08 | watchdog | I don't know why it is snot *in* the kernel |
| 20:52.10 | valdyn | TheTom: plain "ftp" ? i doubt it can mput directories, but i dont know |
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| 20:52.20 | watchdog | thanks, EvanCarroll |
| 20:53.03 | solomonn | since i did a fresh sid install on this new hd, i can't seem to get FreeSans and FreeMono rendered with anti-aliasing in gnome |
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| 20:53.25 | TheTom | valdyn: oh. too bad. and strange(?). do you know if lftp can? |
| 20:53.25 | solomonn | i tried copying over my old XF86Config and XftConfig to no avail |
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| 20:53.30 | solomonn | is anyone clued on fonts? |
| 20:54.02 | MobyTurbo | solomonn: run fc-cache ? |
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| 20:54.19 | watchdog | paulswm, have an idea ? |
| 20:54.43 | solomonn | MobyTurbo: ok, ran that.. should i restart X? |
| 20:54.44 | paulswm | TheTom: with plain ftp you have to mkdir remote directories, man ftp |
| 20:55.20 | TheTom | paulswm: ok. easier and less time to get gftp then ... :/ |
| 20:55.24 | MobyTurbo | solomonn: I don't know. See if it works without restarting X first. |
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| 20:55.34 | solomonn | MobyTurbo: nope. will restart X.. brb |
| 20:55.39 | valdyn | TheTom: i bet every halfway non-"plain" ftp can do it, but no idea on the "how" |
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| 20:55.46 | paulswm | TheTom: No doubt about that :) |
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| 20:56.06 | laphen | When will it be security updates for Sarge? |
| 20:56.19 | b00 | hey, anyone knows if I can pass irq as a parameter to r8169 nic driver ? |
| 20:56.19 | MobyTurbo | laphen: siyh |
| 20:56.22 | valdyn | TheTom: "help mput" in ncftp iirc |
| 20:56.53 | paulswm | watchdog: you using 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 20:56.55 | laphen | MobyTurbo: I know the distro comes when it is ready, but it has been a discussion about starting security fixes before release |
| 20:57.02 | watchdog | 2.6, paulswm |
| 20:57.14 | TheTom | valdyn: ah. i'll try that. i don't like buttons and other stupid things. |
| 20:57.18 | MobyTurbo | laphen: it is considered to be the one thing holding up sarge the most at present |
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| 20:57.21 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 20:57.23 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:57.26 | paulswm | watchdog: /join #flood for a sec |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | !literal wwsr |
| 20:57.27 | dpkg | wwsr is <reply> see when will sarge release, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 20:57.32 | abrotman | laphen: read that link |
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| 20:57.39 | abrotman | laphen: it's not quite done yet |
| 20:57.47 | solomonn | MobyTurbo: no dice |
| 20:57.50 | valdyn | TheTom: midnight commander is another option |
| 20:57.56 | laphen | abrotman: mm. Ok. Thank you |
| 20:58.13 | abrotman | laphen: there is a little imformation in there .. but noone knows for sure when it will be done |
| 20:58.16 | TheTom | valdyn: yeah. thanx. |
| 20:58.17 | MobyTurbo | solomonn: did you run fc-cache as root? |
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| 20:58.24 | solomonn | MobyTurbo: yup |
| 20:58.39 | laphen | abrotman: mm. thanks |
| 20:58.41 | phogg | while trying to install bugzilla I get: "DBD::mysql::db do failed: Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' to database 'bugzilla' at /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst line 304, <STDIN> line 2." What the hell? |
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| 21:00.48 | TheTom | .o0(...apt-get install gftp-text) |
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| 21:01.39 | jetscreamer | apt-get install gftp gftp-text |
| 21:01.48 | TheTom | oh man what hideous colors... |
| 21:02.26 | TheTom | got plenty of ugly colors, but now tabcompletion.. :þ |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | laphen: also .. /msg dpkg sarge security issues |
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| 21:03.51 | TheTom | gftp-gtk: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) but 2.4.14-2 is to be installed |
| 21:03.54 | TheTom | *sigh* |
| 21:03.57 | asterix_de | have problems with XF86config on an ibook debian |
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| 21:04.22 | asterix_de | can someone help with xf86config |
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| 21:04.50 | TheTom | libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version. |
| 21:04.53 | drac | asterix_de: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:04.54 | TheTom | what's the problem here? |
| 21:04.56 | tam | kinda OT: does anyone know of any scripts that will run through directories and sub dirs and find id3 tags and if they're version 1 covert them to version 2? |
| 21:04.58 | drac | asterix_de: don't use xf86config |
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| 21:05.41 | paulswm | watchdog: don't know if you saw, I posted some more config parameters in #flood |
| 21:05.45 | asterix_de | cool drac |
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| 21:05.47 | jetscreamer | tam i've seen some id3 specific stuff in repository, apt-cache search id3 maybe.. esp if you have marillat in sources |
| 21:06.03 | tam | cheers jetscreamer i'll take a look |
| 21:06.44 | TheTom | oh man all ftp clients suck. why can't i apt-get instal gftp-gtk? what is the problem? gftp-gtk: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) but 2.4.14-2 is to be installed <- why is 2.4 version going to be installed? |
| 21:07.18 | valdyn | TheTom: which debian release? apt-get update |
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| 21:07.47 | valdyn | !info libgtk2.0-0 sarge |
| 21:07.50 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.2-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 2032 kB, Installed size: 4480 kB |
| 21:07.51 | jetscreamer | use dselect |
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| 21:08.04 | romulo | what is the IRQ 16? ( like 0x2f8 ) in hex?! |
| 21:08.05 | valdyn | TheTom: 2.4 is in NO debian release |
| 21:08.26 | asterix_de | drac: shell i use 70Hz or something else |
| 21:08.31 | jetscreamer | ubuntu i bet |
| 21:08.38 | TheTom | valdyn: NO? |
| 21:08.53 | drac | asterix_de: you should _google_ with your monitor name, and model and make them 100% correct. |
| 21:08.55 | valdyn | TheTom: no,none,zero |
| 21:09.04 | drac | asterix_de: or your laptop model.. |
| 21:09.10 | asterix_de | drac: its a ibook |
| 21:09.11 | mortal | ubuntu is the greatest *ducks* |
| 21:09.26 | paulswm | TheTom: which release are you running? |
| 21:09.45 | drac | asterix_de: i don't know, someone else in here might, and google know for sure :) |
| 21:09.54 | drac | asterix_de: tft usually is 60hz |
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| 21:09.56 | paulswm | mortal: and you turned off *dpkg* becasue of the "drivel"? |
| 21:09.58 | TheTom | paulswm: no idea. just installed from netinstall rc2 thing |
| 21:10.19 | valdyn | TheTom: run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:10.24 | TheTom | with dselect i only find gftp-common and gftp-text |
| 21:10.47 | drac | TheTom: package 'gftp' grabs all of that. |
| 21:10.49 | TheTom | valdyn: are you serious? just to get a package? man, isn't that scary stuff? i bet my ass something breaks |
| 21:10.52 | mortal | lol...you debian guys take yourselves too seriously |
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| 21:11.06 | asterix_de | shell i reboot after the config |
| 21:11.30 | valdyn | TheTom: Im serious, running old sarge stuff and trying to install "new" sarge packages wont work.. |
| 21:11.37 | drac | mortal: i'm eating Pez candies from Minnie Mouses mouth. |
| 21:11.43 | drac | (: |
| 21:11.50 | valdyn | TheTom: for more stability - run woody -p |
| 21:12.02 | TheTom | valdyn: this is stable |
| 21:12.23 | valdyn | TheTom: youre running woody? |
| 21:12.36 | valdyn | TheTom: which woody package asks for libgtk 2.6 ? |
| 21:12.47 | Rawplayer | is it better to run woody on a firewall or sarge? |
| 21:12.50 | valdyn | TheTom: you have fucked up sources.list at least |
| 21:13.02 | asterix_de | drac: i have configured the X-windoes with dpkg but i dont have the changes in XF86Config |
| 21:13.02 | TheTom | valdyn: i'm not running woody. |
| 21:13.31 | drac | asterix_de: XF86Config-4 ? |
| 21:13.33 | tam | jetscreamer: can't find anything useful. but i'll keep looking :) |
| 21:13.33 | valdyn | TheTom: then youre not running debian stable |
| 21:13.38 | TheTom | when i said "this is stable" i meant just that |
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| 21:13.54 | TheTom | 22:12 < valdyn> TheTom: for more stability - run woody -p |
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| 21:14.11 | asterix_de | drac: how do i start XF86config-4 |
| 21:14.14 | TheTom | i don't need more stability. i just need to put some directories :) |
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| 21:14.21 | drac | asterix_de: That's the name of config file :) |
| 21:14.24 | valdyn | TheTom: ok. |
| 21:14.30 | drac | asterix_de: that dpkg-reconfigure creates, and X uses. |
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| 21:15.10 | asterix_de | drac: wenn i start with startx it doesent work like with xf86configure |
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| 21:15.17 | valdyn | TheTom: you really really want to update to recent sarge ( if you are on sarge ) |
| 21:15.25 | prahal | debian is ready for grandma -> kxstitch - cross-stitch pattern creator and editor (mentors) :) |
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| 21:15.46 | asterix_de | drac i see the XF*-4 seams to be good |
| 21:15.53 | TheTom | valdyn: i did earlier today. that might be the problem. i pinned some packages. |
| 21:16.11 | drac | asterix_de: XF86Config isn't used at all. -4 is used. |
| 21:16.21 | valdyn | TheTom: that may be it.. |
| 21:16.38 | TheTom | valdyn: so how do i unpinn them? |
| 21:16.45 | asterix_de | drac: so if i change something in XF86config it will not work |
| 21:17.04 | drac | asterix_de: No, that file is unnecessary, you can delete it. |
| 21:17.27 | Koffa | valdyn: thanks, seems like problem solved :) |
| 21:17.27 | drac | asterix_de: Edit what you need in -4 |
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| 21:18.28 | asterix_de | ok drac i have to go girlfriend is calling see you |
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| 21:19.38 | Koffa | valdyn: now running bonnie++ to generate some load, but it hanged even as idle earlier... uprecord just got broken by over an hour |
| 21:20.05 | TheTom | valdyn: i just did _sudo mv /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/preferences.bak_ |
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| 21:20.49 | TheTom | i had pinned libgtk2.0-0 (2.6.2-3) |
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| 21:21.05 | shampoo | Hi |
| 21:21.07 | shampoo | Unfortunately it's currently impossible to use the Debian mailing lists with |
| 21:21.08 | shampoo | a e-mail address that matches procmail's check for mail coming from a daemon. |
| 21:21.10 | shampoo | This means that a username may not have "mail", "admin", "root", "master", |
| 21:21.12 | shampoo | "list" or similar strings in it (see procmailrc(5) for "FROM_DAEMON"). |
| 21:21.14 | shampoo | We apologize for the inconvenience and ask you to consider using some other |
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| 21:21.18 | shampoo | someone tell me how to fix this ? |
| 21:21.25 | shampoo | sorry for the spam |
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| 21:22.07 | valdyn | Koffa: so pci=routeirq fixed it? |
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| 21:23.18 | valdyn | TheTom: not much point in doing pinning in sarge imo, just watch what you upgrade, when you upgrade |
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| 21:23.39 | valdyn | TheTom: since its stabilising ( or supposed to.. ) |
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| 21:24.03 | Koffa | valdyn: seems like that |
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| 21:24.15 | Blissex | TheTom: you may want to pin to 'sarge' but ''generally'' instead of individual package... |
| 21:24.19 | Koffa | valdyn: I have that noapic there, but when I checked the dmesg after boot it had already said 'no apic hw found' |
| 21:24.25 | TheTom | valdyn: i do wanna watch what i upgrade. what's why i'm so sceptical towards apt-get upgrade *shrug* . well. |
| 21:24.27 | Koffa | valdyn: so it shouldn't make any difference |
| 21:24.36 | rayk | is mplayer not integratet in sarge? |
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| 21:24.51 | Blissex | TheTom: I have the same attitude but I dot it a bit more wisel... |
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| 21:25.09 | prahal | rayk: it is not, i don't know why though |
| 21:25.14 | MooglyGuy | Damn it, I hate the fact that my router boots all of my boxes offline when it restarts. |
| 21:25.25 | rayk | prahal: ok thanks |
| 21:25.25 | TheTom | Blissex: like how? |
| 21:25.27 | Blissex | TheTom: I have a ''general'' pin to 'sarge' and then I use 'aptitude' in no-automatic-upgrade mode |
| 21:25.34 | TheTom | ok |
| 21:25.37 | prahal | rayk: do you know marillat.free.fr ? |
| 21:25.55 | Koffa | valdyn: now that I think of it, I did have some problems getting the network card to get the iface up after cable unplug/plug (required several boots - reloading the module made no difference) - now it works nicely |
| 21:26.15 | rayk | rayk: nope |
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| 21:26.27 | Blissex | TheTom: so I have both 'sarge' and 'sid' sources, and 'aptitude' gives me a nice list that _can_ be upgraded, and then if I want I just mark them to be upgraded, choose-and-pick. Very civilized. |
| 21:26.33 | Koffa | but now to bed -> |
| 21:26.35 | Koffa | thanks |
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| 21:27.25 | rayk | prahal: because i got audio problem with totem and the xine stuff im looking for a got video player...can you recommend me a good on? |
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| 21:28.48 | TheTom | Blissex: yea, i guess. but what d oyou mean by "''general'' pin to 'sarge'" |
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| 21:30.38 | Blissex | TheTom: it is called a ''release'' or ''edition'' pin. It means that you specify a Debian ''edition'', like 'sarge' or 'unstable', and then it says to APT to consider only the newest versions of a package up to that ''edition''. |
| 21:30.43 | Chest | guys, running dpkg-reconfigure on a software package should regenerate all needed files, should it not? |
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| 21:31.02 | Blissex | TheTom: look for exampe: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
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| 21:31.31 | Chest | i uninstalled postfix, then deleted all files related to it. ran dpkg-reconfigure after installing it but it isn't creating the neccessary /etc/ files |
| 21:31.51 | paulswm | Chest: not necessarily, apt-get install --reinstall should |
| 21:32.00 | uruboro | chest you should reinstall |
| 21:32.01 | Chest | ah |
| 21:32.05 | Chest | ok |
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| 21:32.59 | Chest | apparently i deleted the /etc/rc3.d/postfix file ass well. its choking on that. |
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| 21:33.36 | Chest | is there any way to reinstall init.d files? |
| 21:33.51 | calin | reinstall the programs |
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| 21:33.57 | Blissex | calin: I have a number of 2-3 monitor sample setups here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/NVIDIA/ |
| 21:34.06 | paulswm | Chest: you probably need yo resintall the packages to which they belong |
| 21:34.09 | calin | thank you Blissex, but what video cards? |
| 21:34.30 | Chest | paulswm: which would be postfix. I just tried that and it dies because it can't find /etc/init.d/postfix |
| 21:34.34 | calin | Chest: use the command 'apt-get install --reinstall <packagename>' to reinstall that package |
| 21:34.41 | calin | ah |
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| 21:34.51 | calin | apt-get remove postfix |
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| 21:34.55 | calin | then install it again |
| 21:35.05 | paulswm | Chest: apt-get remove --purge postfix;apt-get install postfix, try that |
| 21:35.11 | Chest | ok |
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| 21:35.31 | Chest | crap |
| 21:35.32 | Blissex | calin: that is for NVIDIA cards, but dual-head is done in the same way for all cards. It is driver independent. (with very very few exceptions) |
| 21:35.36 | Chest | same error |
| 21:35.50 | Chest | i suppose I could just copy the init.d file from another system |
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| 21:36.18 | paulswm | Chest: Thee error was from the 'remove'? |
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| 21:36.23 | kings | hello |
| 21:36.24 | Chest | yes sir |
| 21:36.33 | kings | how do I get mkmf > |
| 21:36.33 | kings | ? |
| 21:36.35 | Chest | err, the purge |
| 21:36.43 | stew | Chest: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 21:37.12 | Blissex | calin: whether you have an NVIDIA card or not does matter, as I said dual head setup is largely driver in dependent. |
| 21:37.18 | kings | np got it |
| 21:37.20 | kings | thanks |
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| 21:37.33 | Chest | i did a 'touch /etc/init.d/postfix' and it worked,I think |
| 21:37.55 | calin | Chest: /etc/init.d/postfix i believe starts postfix |
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| 21:38.08 | calin | Which is something that's kinda needed |
| 21:38.12 | paulswm | Chest: good :) |
| 21:38.26 | calin | Blissex: you still there? your link is bad |
| 21:38.38 | Chest | what is the --purge switch? |
| 21:38.43 | Chest | doe that clear all files as well? |
| 21:38.44 | modeman | what is a good conversion tool for mp3 to wav? |
| 21:38.50 | paulswm | Chest: stew got it, though, if it happens again, /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 21:39.02 | paulswm | Chest: yes |
| 21:39.03 | MobyTurbo | Chest: it gets rid of the configuration files |
| 21:39.03 | Chest | what is /msg? |
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| 21:39.11 | Chest | ah ok |
| 21:39.13 | Chest | thanks |
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| 21:39.29 | paulswm | Chest: enter the /msg line in your IRC text box |
| 21:39.37 | Chest | DOH |
| 21:39.48 | paulswm | !beat Cheethoe |
| 21:39.53 | paulswm | !beat Chest |
| 21:39.56 | Chest | heh |
| 21:40.05 | paulswm | Cheethoe: sry, wrong nick |
| 21:40.08 | paulswm | :D |
| 21:40.15 | calin | !botabuse |
| 21:40.16 | Blissex | calin: ah yes, sorry, it is http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/X11/ (I think) |
| 21:40.16 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 21:40.25 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 21:40.26 | dpkg | paulswm: :) |
| 21:40.29 | calin | Thanks Blissex |
| 21:41.04 | uruboro | nick himself |
| 21:41.07 | uruboro | ops |
| 21:41.23 | paulswm | heh |
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| 21:41.29 | himself | !beat himself |
| 21:41.36 | himself | masochist |
| 21:41.42 | calin | hhahaha |
| 21:41.46 | calin | just wow |
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| 21:41.58 | Blissex | calin: there are some NVIDIA specific directives in those files, but they are easy to spot and take out... |
| 21:42.38 | paulswm | Masochist says, "Beat me." Sadist says, "No." |
| 21:43.05 | satHan | hey, anybody know why my khotkeys settings don't carry between X screens? |
| 21:43.07 | calin | Blissex: thanks for tthe link, it looks exactly like what I need. I googled this for hours yesterday to no avail. |
| 21:43.26 | MobyTurbo | paulswm: Monty Python has a whole skit based on that concept |
| 21:43.37 | bltzfsck | how do you display the contents of a file in channel with epic 4? |
| 21:43.44 | Blissex | paulswm: that is based on two different notion of sadist: does a sadist want to _hurt_ his victims or _make them unhappy_? |
| 21:43.52 | calin | hurt |
| 21:44.16 | petemc | bltzfsck: dont do it here, obviously, but something like /exec -o cat /path/to/file should work |
| 21:44.21 | calin | Web definitions for sadist: someone who obtains pleasure from inflicting pain or others |
| 21:44.21 | paulswm | MobyTurbo: Yes. And there is of course the Spanish Inquisition, the little old lady and the Comfy Chair |
| 21:44.39 | calin | http://google.com/search?q=define%20sadist |
| 21:44.40 | bltzfsck | which help section is that under? i can't find it |
| 21:44.43 | MobyTurbo | paulswm: I believe I didn't see the one about the comfy chair |
| 21:44.46 | Blissex | calin: thanks. Note that perhaps the best statrting point is the one with the "_3head" suffix, not the one with the "_dual" suffix, as the latter is a bit more special purpose. |
| 21:44.55 | petemc | bltzfsck: exec, possibly |
| 21:44.59 | uruboro | bltzfsck, look under bill gates section |
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| 21:45.14 | bltzfsck | dmesg gives me a really wierd message |
| 21:45.24 | bltzfsck | i was hoping someone could tell me what it means |
| 21:45.40 | nvz | bltzfsck: you going to beat around the isssue all day? |
| 21:45.49 | paulswm | MobyTurbo: It's one of the Spanish Inquisition sketches, they're trying to get this little old lady to confess by making her progressively more comfortable, IIRC |
| 21:45.56 | bltzfsck | no, just don't want to PISS ANYBODY OFF |
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| 21:46.11 | bltzfsck | lemme figure out how to get it up here, justa sec |
| 21:46.11 | calin | Blissex: Actually, the one I need is there. CRT+TV |
| 21:46.15 | nvz | too late :P I am sitting here in anticipation of a question |
| 21:46.24 | bltzfsck | brb |
| 21:46.32 | petemc | bltzfsck: dont flood in here |
| 21:46.44 | Blissex | calin: yes, that is very very generic. |
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| 21:46.55 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 21:47.01 | paulswm | Blissex, calin : You are right, you have exposed a weakness in the joke, but I will get you both back one day :) |
| 21:47.04 | dof | algun espa?ol |
| 21:47.20 | paulswm | !es |
| 21:47.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:47.33 | dof | okis |
| 21:47.38 | bltzfsck | /bin/sh: line 1: /home/bltzfsck/dmesg: Permission denied |
| 21:47.49 | bltzfsck | eout (1) in ecp_write_block_pio |
| 21:47.49 | bltzfsck | FIFO write timed out |
| 21:47.50 | bltzfsck | parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 21:47.50 | bltzfsck | parport0: PE,1 timeout (1) in ecp_write_block_pio |
| 21:47.50 | bltzfsck | FIFO write timed out |
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| 21:47.50 | Lorvija | apt-get install apache2 | apt-get install php should install apache2&php? |
| 21:47.58 | paulswm | *sigh* |
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| 21:48.14 | calin | OI can handle Lorvija's problem |
| 21:48.21 | bltzfsck | dmesg gives me hundreds of lines of that |
| 21:48.24 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: you appear to have forgotten to read the docs |
| 21:48.25 | nvz | bltzfsck: what the hell is /home/bltzfsck/dmesg? and why are you trying to execute it? |
| 21:48.26 | bltzfsck | what's it mean? |
| 21:48.32 | paulswm | petemc: don't you love it when people hang on your every word, heh |
| 21:48.34 | Lorvija | SlayerXP hmm ok, which ones? (: |
| 21:48.40 | bltzfsck | nevermind |
| 21:48.44 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: any of them, at a rough guess. |
| 21:48.44 | petemc | paulswm: yeah, makes me so eager to help |
| 21:48.51 | bltzfsck | i'm too ignorant to play here |
| 21:49.00 | rayk | does anybody know a driver for "canon pixma ip5000"? |
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| 21:49.11 | calin | Lorvija: if you want apache2 to work with PHP, do 'apt-get install apache2 && apt-get install libapache-mod-php4' |
| 21:49.14 | Lorvija | SlayerXP hmm I have read some.. just no idea which you mean i should have read now.. |
| 21:49.26 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: let's start at the beginning: why do you think that's the right thing to type? |
| 21:49.28 | nvz | touche |
| 21:49.43 | SlayerXP | !moron calin |
| 21:49.44 | dpkg | calin: You are moron #73 |
| 21:49.51 | Lorvija | SlayerXP just a rough guess.. i wanted to install apache2 & php |
| 21:49.55 | cIclops | how do i install java on debian? |
| 21:49.59 | SlayerXP | LoRez: so what's the "|" do? |
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| 21:50.36 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: so what does the "|" do? |
| 21:50.37 | drac | !tell cIclops about java-package |
| 21:50.40 | Lorvija | SlayerXP if that was ment for me... I have used "|" to do few commants one after one.. |
| 21:50.56 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: you're now scaring me. |
| 21:50.58 | cIclops | drac: thx |
| 21:51.01 | uruboro | hehe |
| 21:51.02 | paulswm | Aaargh |
| 21:51.07 | jeaneid | what is the best music sharing program I guess something like kazaa for windows |
| 21:51.11 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: when you say php, which version of php did you want? |
| 21:51.14 | Lorvija | php4 |
| 21:51.24 | Lorvija | testing doesnt seem to have php5? |
| 21:51.24 | uruboro | the answer was right technically, SlayerXP |
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| 21:51.39 | SlayerXP | uruboro: and for the wrong reasons, i.e. he doesn't know why it's right |
| 21:51.40 | calin | ha! |
| 21:51.50 | calin | wait |
| 21:51.51 | calin | oh yeah |
| 21:51.53 | calin | ahhah |
| 21:51.53 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: so why "php" and not "php4"? |
| 21:51.54 | calin | sorry |
| 21:51.55 | uruboro | SlayerXP, of course :) |
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| 21:52.01 | calin | i meant libapahe2-mod-php4 |
| 21:52.06 | uruboro | hehehehe calin |
| 21:52.14 | calin | libapache* |
| 21:52.17 | calin | feh. |
| 21:52.17 | paulswm | apahe? |
| 21:52.18 | cIclops | drac: is java-package enough to run a .jar ? |
| 21:52.30 | jeaneid | ,music |
| 21:52.32 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: next, who told you that you can only install one package at a time with "apt-get install"? |
| 21:52.34 | calin | So my typing isn't all that great while I'm stoned |
| 21:52.37 | Lorvija | SlayerXP hmm donno =) kinda thought php would be same as php4.. |
| 21:52.57 | Lorvija | SlayerXP no one, just wasnt sure if i can just put them one after another |
| 21:53.00 | drac | cIclops: apt-get install java-package && man make-jpkg (follow the instructions, and you'll get whole JRE) |
| 21:53.05 | paulswm | calin: yes, but if you are a programmer, it makes programming so much more absorbing :) |
| 21:53.10 | valdyn | Lorvija: "apt-cache show php" - type that ) |
| 21:53.11 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: if you'd read the docs then you'd know |
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| 21:53.32 | Lorvija | valdyn thanks (: |
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| 21:53.45 | Lorvija | SlayerXP yea true |
| 21:53.47 | calin | Hah, I program while stoned. PHP and java and the likes. Reall cool n stuff. I can't read the code sober, but it comiles and runs like I want it. |
| 21:53.58 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: your debian solution is: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 21:54.06 | paulswm | calin: I spent the entire 70s doing that |
| 21:54.16 | Lorvija | SlayerXP thank you |
| 21:54.17 | calin | kick ass paulswm |
| 21:54.24 | SlayerXP | note that installing apache2 will get you you default threading model for apache, ymmw |
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| 21:54.44 | Lorvija | ok |
| 21:54.47 | SlayerXP | ymmv, too |
| 21:54.52 | SlayerXP | get you the |
| 21:56.00 | valdyn | Lorvija: | is a pipe btw, dont queue random commands w/ that |
| 21:56.00 | SlayerXP | Lorvija: btw, making stuff up and trying it "because it looks right" is a very dangerous game to play whilst logged in as root. |
| 21:56.01 | uruboro | paulswm, i guess you weren't using neither java nor php. cobol? c? fortran? |
| 21:56.25 | cIclops | drac: hmm no java-package ... is it java-common? |
| 21:56.34 | Lorvija | SlayerXP hmm yea, i've learned that.. just thought that should be pretty safe to test (: |
| 21:56.41 | Lorvija | valdyn yea thanks |
| 21:57.02 | alex_ | hi, I have a big problem, I have a external HD Lacie 500Gig, it formated hfs+ and is used by my macosx, I have very important data that I MUST retrieve from it but I cannot mount it anymore on the mac, the dmesg says disk3: I/O error. SInce I have a debian box with firewire I was wondering if I could try to mount it on my debian, but I have no idea how to do it and above all I don't want to harm it as I must not do any mistake here, can someon |
| 21:57.26 | SlayerXP | alex_: take the disk to a data recovery expert, pay them whatever they ask. |
| 21:57.27 | drac | cIclops: woody or sarge? |
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| 21:57.40 | valdyn | !firewire-storage |
| 21:57.40 | SlayerXP | alex_: or just restore from your backup. |
| 21:58.07 | alex_ | restore from your backup ? |
| 21:58.29 | SlayerXP | alex_: yes. it's important data therefore you have a backup, no? |
| 21:59.03 | uruboro | alex try mounting using -t hfsplus and -o ro (read only). btw if you are in single user mode using hfs or hfsplus doesnt crash your kernel (happened to me sometimes) |
| 21:59.16 | alex_ | SlayerXP: I recorded these important data on this disk this afternoon, I turn the computer off and on again and it just did not mount any longer |
| 21:59.22 | cIclops | drac: 3.1 er sarge? |
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| 21:59.43 | valdyn | alex_: no reason why this should work in debian what seems to maxosx like a hardware fault |
| 21:59.45 | SlayerXP | alex_: that's odd. did you unmount the disk properly? |
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| 21:59.56 | uruboro | alex_, you disconnected the fw cable when it was still mounted? |
| 21:59.59 | drac | cIclops: there should be java-package then. |
| 22:00.17 | drac | cIclops: you might need to fix your sources.list, and run apt-get update |
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| 22:00.18 | Zap-W | i set some exim filters dunno if it screwed lartc mail or if the mailing list is down, anyone else not getting mail from them? |
| 22:00.27 | drac | cIclops: run apt-setup |
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| 22:00.36 | alex_ | uruboro: no I did everything by the book |
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| 22:00.49 | alex_ | SlayerXP: I did umount the dik correctly |
| 22:01.01 | SlayerXP | alex_: well, you must have another copy of the data |
| 22:01.15 | SlayerXP | i.e. you copied it onto the disk from somewhere |
| 22:01.16 | drac | cIclops: /etc/apt/sources.list should have 'main contrib', not just 'main' |
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| 22:01.54 | uruboro | SlayerXP, he probably exchanged mp3s or avi, shush... :) |
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| 22:02.03 | alex_ | sorry I got disconnected |
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| 22:02.59 | alex_ | if I do mount -o -t hfdplus /mnt its says t |
| 22:03.06 | alex_ | I must specify the fst |
| 22:03.06 | SlayerXP | uruboro: are you implying that a statistical spectral analysis of the data in question would average out "pink" ? |
| 22:03.41 | uruboro | hfsplus and that filesystem must be installed as a kernel module or something, i guess |
| 22:03.44 | uruboro | BUT |
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| 22:03.52 | uruboro | there should be a package |
| 22:03.59 | SlayerXP | there is |
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| 22:04.02 | SlayerXP | porn-get |
| 22:04.03 | uruboro | hfsplusutils... |
| 22:04.09 | SlayerXP | oh I see |
| 22:04.10 | SlayerXP | sorry |
| 22:04.23 | valdyn | alex_: mount -t hfdplus /dev/sda1 /mnt ( or similar ) |
| 22:04.56 | uruboro | SlayerXP, what else do you need 500gb drives for? :D (i have a meager 250GB one...) |
| 22:05.13 | alex_ | TDT: my lacie is valdyn dev/sda1 would be my firewire port ? |
| 22:05.21 | SlayerXP | uruboro: i have 4 meagre 250gb ones, but I know what you mean |
| 22:05.21 | valdyn | alex_: mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda1 /mnt ( or similar ) |
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| 22:05.49 | alex_ | valdyn: not a valid block device |
| 22:06.04 | valdyn | alex_: firewire disks appear as /dev/sdx |
| 22:06.06 | riot | hi. my deskjet980 prints raw postscript, after i set it up using foomatic (i use lprng).. how do i get it to print fine output? |
| 22:06.12 | uruboro | alex you know if/where your fw drive was mounted when you do dmesg after connecting it |
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| 22:07.22 | cafuego | uruboro: More recent kernels just support hfsplus outright. |
| 22:07.41 | SlayerXP | hfs+ is godawful |
| 22:07.49 | SlayerXP | it makes fat look well thought out |
| 22:08.09 | SlayerXP | it makes reiserfs seem like it's not designed by a mad kraut |
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| 22:08.30 | paulswm | SlayerXP: Stoppit, you're killing me laughing here |
| 22:08.44 | SlayerXP | sorry |
| 22:08.50 | paulswm | SlayerXP: :D |
| 22:08.50 | gu | "usb 3-1: device not accepting address 10, error -71" <-- what does this error means ? |
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| 22:09.06 | gu | ide-scsi, usb-storage are loaded |
| 22:09.11 | SlayerXP | gu: it means "check your cabling" |
| 22:09.16 | cafuego | SlayerXP: Seems afwully silly, coming from an NTFS lover like you |
| 22:09.21 | uruboro | well SlayerXP it is a hack of hfs to cope with bigger hd and not much more. I think it went out when apple was onto Pink or rhapsody... IIRC |
| 22:09.30 | SlayerXP | cafuego: I don't love ntfs, I just say that to get it into bed |
| 22:09.52 | cafuego | uruboro: no, OSX by defualt uses HFS+ with journaling bolted on these days, afaik. |
| 22:10.12 | alex_ | uruboro: nop |
| 22:10.18 | uruboro | I have osx with hfsplus but i thought they used UFS |
| 22:10.30 | alus | is there a way to change the behaviour of bash so that scrolling back in the buffer stays put even when new stuff is printed at the bottom? |
| 22:10.41 | alus | or is there a key I can hold to prevent it from snapping to the bottom? |
| 22:10.45 | tarzeau | alus: ctrl-s |
| 22:10.49 | gu | SlayerXP: thx, i'll try with another usb key |
| 22:10.51 | riot | alus: thats terminal-related, not bash |
| 22:10.53 | tarzeau | alus: and ctrl-q will continue it |
| 22:11.04 | tarzeau | riot: no matter what terminal |
| 22:11.13 | tarzeau | riot: it's process signals handling |
| 22:11.15 | alus | argh, the thing I wanted already scrolled off |
| 22:11.20 | riot | tarzeau: ah, didn't know that |
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| 22:11.30 | uruboro | i wanted to retain compatibility with my os9 partition. My internal HD should be renamed arlequin. I have 5 different kind of FS on 17 partitions :) |
| 22:11.55 | alex_ | does anyone know a good disk expert retrival in LONDON ? |
| 22:12.08 | ho0ber | hey guys, where do I make global aliases in debian? is it /etc/bash.bashrc ? |
| 22:12.10 | SlayerXP | alex_: there's lots. |
| 22:12.19 | paulswm | alex_: London, Kentucky? |
| 22:12.30 | cafuego | uruboro: I can check, but I'm pretty sure it's hfs+j here. |
| 22:12.36 | uruboro | btw i used "went out" meaning "released" :) sorry |
| 22:12.37 | alex_ | paulswm: London UK |
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| 22:12.40 | Rawplayer | who let the dogs out? |
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| 22:12.44 | SlayerXP | alex_: however, expect to pay upwards of 400ukp per hour |
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| 22:12.55 | alex_ | SlayerXP: what should I search on google ? |
| 22:13.00 | drivera | hi |
| 22:13.04 | Rawplayer | for a firewall install is it better to stay on woody? |
| 22:13.06 | alex_ | SlayerXP: you are kidding ? |
| 22:13.19 | alus | Rawplayer: nothing is better on woody |
| 22:13.19 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Not if *all* the box does is firewalling. |
| 22:13.20 | SlayerXP | alex_: do you see the clown outfit I'm wearing? |
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| 22:13.28 | paulswm | alex_: I know. In London Kentucky, they are mostly roadkill retrieval experts |
| 22:13.32 | cafuego | Rawplayer: if you will also run services, use woody, yes. |
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| 22:13.37 | Gnurdux | hee you guys were right they did add gnome 2.8 |
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| 22:13.51 | Rawplayer | it only does iptables/openvpn/quagga/squid |
| 22:13.53 | ho0ber | hmm, nobody knows how to make global aliases? |
| 22:13.57 | Gnurdux | i havent done an apt-get upgrade since two months ago when i snstallled sarge |
| 22:13.58 | Gnurdux | and nwo |
| 22:14.01 | uruboro | cafuego, ok |
| 22:14.03 | Gnurdux | 400 packages! |
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| 22:14.10 | Gnurdux | bye |
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| 22:14.35 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Ah. SQuid. Woody it is, then. |
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| 22:14.39 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 22:14.43 | cartel_ | anyone here use apt-listchanges? |
| 22:14.45 | SlayerXP | alex_: you could try "data recovery expert" |
| 22:14.49 | cartel_ | for some reason it seems mad bork |
| 22:14.51 | SlayerXP | cartel_: nope, no-one does. |
| 22:14.57 | cafuego | Rawplayer: Those apps get bugs (squid had 2 vuln. in the past few months) so you need security updates. |
| 22:15.06 | cartel_ | its not emailing me any output |
| 22:15.13 | cartel_ | :/ |
| 22:15.17 | Rawplayer | hmm so maybe a compile from source is also possible |
| 22:15.46 | SlayerXP | cartel_: by itslef it doesn't, as I understand it, it's invoked by apt-get |
| 22:15.46 | cartel_ | [apt] |
| 22:15.47 | cartel_ | frontend=text |
| 22:15.51 | simonrvn | ho0ber: same as a user's bashrc. man bash |
| 22:15.53 | SlayerXP | itself |
| 22:16.05 | cartel_ | email_address=tom@foo.bar.com |
| 22:16.12 | cartel_ | confirm=0 |
| 22:16.12 | ho0ber | simonrvn: didnt get that to work anyway, but i'll look again in the man page |
| 22:16.15 | cartel_ | that should be enough yes? |
| 22:16.23 | cartel_ | SlayerXP: i know |
| 22:16.33 | cartel_ | SlayerXP: it adds itself to apt-conf.d... |
| 22:16.44 | SlayerXP | then no idea, sorry |
| 22:16.49 | cartel_ | SlayerXP so it should be invoked.... but it isnt |
| 22:16.55 | simonrvn | ho0ber: e.g.: alias foo="bar_command -l" |
| 22:17.17 | ho0ber | i know how to do that |
| 22:17.21 | ho0ber | i mean get them to stay |
| 22:17.48 | simonrvn | you shoulsn't set those globally anyway... |
| 22:17.48 | ho0ber | i tried the .bashrc file and that didnt seem to do anything |
| 22:17.53 | simonrvn | shouldn't* |
| 22:18.04 | Zap-W | what subent mask covers this range of ips 172.2x.x.x |
| 22:18.11 | ho0ber | why not? everyone i know who is going to be on it is going to use them |
| 22:18.17 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: none. |
| 22:18.27 | simonrvn | fine |
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| 22:18.48 | ali7288 | hey how do i check who is connected to my apache2 server? |
| 22:19.00 | SlayerXP | Zap-W: or rather, more than one, because that's not on a ^2 boundary |
| 22:19.01 | uruboro | Zap-W, the mask is binary, the range you stated is decimal |
| 22:19.05 | cafuego | Zap-W: apt-get install ipcalc |
| 22:19.13 | SlayerXP | ali7288: tail the log |
| 22:19.14 | simonrvn | ali7288: logs are a good place to start... |
| 22:19.24 | cartel_ | gah... |
| 22:19.27 | Zap-W | Blissex: how to cover from 172.24-28.x.x |
| 22:19.30 | cafuego | ali7288: Install the server-status handler and access its uri. |
| 22:19.37 | Zap-W | er |
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| 22:19.57 | cafuego | Zap-W: 172.24.0.0/14 |
| 22:20.06 | cafuego | Zap-W: Like I said, apt-get install ipcalc. |
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| 22:20.34 | simonrvn | soon you'll be doing those calculations in your head |
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| 22:20.39 | codered | hi |
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| 22:20.42 | SlayerXP | zahod: what cafuego said |
| 22:20.48 | zztt | if I just change a .c file in the kernel sources and rerun make-kpkg, it doesn't recompile anything. Can it be made to just recompile the changed file ? |
| 22:20.49 | Nei | a friend of mine has this weird problem that every time he is trying to boot from either the debian cd, or use grub (he downloaded sarge), his system just reboots |
| 22:20.55 | SlayerXP | err Zap-W even |
| 22:20.59 | codered | a question: does debian sarge installer supports an xfs installation? |
| 22:21.02 | Nei | would anyone know something I could recomment him to try? |
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| 22:21.11 | Nei | codered, mine did |
| 22:21.19 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:21.20 | SlayerXP | codered: I think so |
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| 22:21.29 | simonrvn | codered: you didn't try, did you. or read the install guide |
| 22:21.30 | codered | ok... I'm getting the latest... |
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| 22:21.41 | drivera | I'm with a problem in CUPS and foomatic when try to config a printer HP610C. Someone Cold help me? |
| 22:21.44 | ali7288 | cafuego: how do i install the server-status handler |
| 22:21.54 | cafuego | ali7288: Check the apache config file. |
| 22:21.56 | codered | ok thanks all |
| 22:21.58 | ali7288 | by the way thanks others for suggesting the log but i want something that is easier to look at |
| 22:22.00 | ali7288 | ok |
| 22:22.05 | codered | bye all |
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| 22:22.33 | zbowling_ | debain overflow.. hmmm.. must have a ton of people in here |
| 22:22.41 | Chest | is anyone familiar with Cyrus? |
| 22:22.41 | uruboro | drivera, hp use a hpoj* package, possibly. try apt-cache hpoj and look what those pkgs do |
| 22:22.43 | SlayerXP | ali7288: ok, would you like a nice GUI which shows all incoming connections and requests in realtime and then gives you graphed statistics ongoing? |
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| 22:23.02 | SlayerXP | Chest: yes. |
| 22:23.13 | Chest | SlayerXP: how do you add users to use the cyradm program? |
| 22:23.22 | SlayerXP | Chest: you don't. |
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| 22:23.37 | Chest | SlayerXP: then how do I use it? |
| 22:23.48 | deadrabbit | does anyone know why GRUB would have a blank screen, while still funtioning properly? |
| 22:23.50 | Chest | it asks for an id and password |
| 22:23.57 | Zap-W | caphuso: there is no 172.28 in /14 .. |
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| 22:24.15 | SlayerXP | Chest: cyradm is for creating and managing folders, directories and ACLs. it doesn't handle users. |
| 22:24.17 | cartel_ | this is so screwed.... |
| 22:24.28 | Chest | SlayerXP: right, but to use it , you need to log in |
| 22:24.28 | drivera | uruboro: I' l try |
| 22:24.34 | ali7288 | (17:24:03) SlayerXP: ali7288: ok, would you like a nice GUI which shows all incoming connections and requests in realtime and then gives you graphed statistics ongoing? |
| 22:24.35 | ali7288 | sure |
| 22:24.40 | SlayerXP | Chest: yes. and authentication is handled by sasl |
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| 22:24.50 | Chest | SlayerXP: so I would use saslpasswd right? |
| 22:24.52 | SlayerXP | ali7288: well, I'd like one too. |
| 22:25.00 | ali7288 | wow |
| 22:25.02 | ali7288 | thanks:-) |
| 22:25.04 | simonrvn | or sasl proxyauthz in ldap ;) |
| 22:25.06 | SlayerXP | Chest: saslpasswd2 |
| 22:25.17 | Chest | ahh |
| 22:25.45 | ali7288 | cafuego: thanks |
| 22:25.47 | simonrvn | evil is relative ;) |
| 22:26.03 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: are you calling my mother evil? |
| 22:26.16 | SlayerXP | what gave it away? |
| 22:26.22 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 22:26.59 | M4hd1 | anyboby knows if licq's MSN plugin is already functional? |
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| 22:27.18 | SlayerXP | M4hd1: yes, somebody knows. |
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| 22:27.45 | M4hd1 | slackd00d, do you? |
| 22:27.47 | uruboro | M4hd1, dunno, but gaim works with MSN for text well enough |
| 22:27.48 | M4hd1 | oops |
| 22:27.51 | M4hd1 | SlayerXP, do you? |
| 22:27.59 | SlayerXP | M4hd1: no personally no. |
| 22:28.01 | SlayerXP | not |
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| 22:28.07 | Chest | SlayerXP: in /usr/share/doc/cyrus-common/README.Debian, it says that the stable woody version doesn't use SASL or rather it says that this is a 'non-SASL-requiring version of Cyrus' |
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| 22:28.24 | Chest | SlayerXP: so does that mean it doesn't use it or not |
| 22:28.30 | Om | Hi, I've been having some probs with Synaptic. If I mark a package which has some uninstalled dependencies, it pops up the window showing what they are, but when you click 'Mark' in that window, Synaptic exits, any ideas? :) |
| 22:28.34 | SlayerXP | Chest: that's old extra-evil cyrus |
| 22:28.53 | Chest | SlayerXP: which means im using it right? |
| 22:28.57 | Chest | SlayerXP: im using woody |
| 22:29.00 | simonrvn | sounds like v 1.5.x |
| 22:29.05 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 22:29.08 | M4hd1 | uruboro, yep. But gaim doesnt fullfill my needs very well... doesnt do icq file transfers, sucks to let me know when i get a msg and doesnt support the old icq instant message style |
| 22:29.17 | SlayerXP | Chest: you have my deepest deepest sympathies |
| 22:29.38 | Chest | SlayerXP: heh. well in that case, what is the password mechanisms being used, because I can't add users for cyradm |
| 22:29.39 | M4hd1 | uruboro, it's already starting to piss me off |
| 22:29.53 | uruboro | M4hd1, then i dunno :) |
| 22:30.01 | M4hd1 | uruboro, tkz anyway =D |
| 22:30.03 | Chest | it says it uses pwcheck |
| 22:30.07 | SlayerXP | Chest: I haven't a clue, sorry. all my cyrus-foo is post 2.x |
| 22:30.11 | simonrvn | yeh. 1.5 |
| 22:30.12 | Chest | hmm |
| 22:30.14 | Chest | ok thanks |
| 22:30.17 | uruboro | M4hd1, welcome :) |
| 22:30.43 | simonrvn | 2.x doesn't even have pwcheck anymore |
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| 22:30.56 | SlayerXP | 2.1.17 or thereabouts |
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| 22:31.19 | simonrvn | yup. earlier in fact (could be wrong) |
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| 22:31.34 | Chest | simonrvn: do you know how pwcheck authenticates users? |
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| 22:32.08 | simonrvn | a bit like a là saslauthd. uses a daemon to do lookups IIRC |
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| 22:32.26 | Chest | simonrvn: how do I add users though? |
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| 22:33.04 | SlayerXP | Chest: turn away from the dark side, my son, embrace chage for the better, give sarge a go. |
| 22:33.10 | SlayerXP | change |
| 22:33.18 | simonrvn | dunno. use 2.x. please |
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| 22:33.35 | Chest | SlayerXP: lol I can't. I've installed a mail server thats already on site. I'm now setting it up. |
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| 22:33.52 | Chest | simonrvn: i just added a user using adduser and it works. |
| 22:33.55 | Om | Anyone? :( |
| 22:34.01 | Chest | so I guess i anwered my own question |
| 22:34.03 | SlayerXP | Chest: from what you said, you don't have anyone actually using it, it's not too late to change |
| 22:34.08 | floydwilde | join #npotechs |
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| 22:34.17 | SlayerXP | floydwilde: no, shan;t. |
| 22:34.19 | floydwilde | oops |
| 22:34.20 | uruboro | om imho it's a bug... |
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| 22:34.27 | Chest | SlayerXP: well, I would have to go on site and get the server and install which isn't really possible. |
| 22:34.42 | SlayerXP | Chest: errm, why? |
| 22:34.43 | Chest | SlayerXP: but once sarge goes stable can't i upgrade with apt-get? |
| 22:34.53 | uruboro | om try updating-reinstalling it or use a different package manager |
| 22:34.53 | Chest | SlayerXP: cause I don't have access |
| 22:34.57 | SlayerXP | you can upgrade _now_? |
| 22:35.10 | Chest | but sarge isn't stable, correct? |
| 22:35.16 | Chest | at least according to debian |
| 22:35.23 | travisat | Chest: its more stable than most distros |
| 22:35.37 | WE_R_DNA | how do I find all processes done in wine? |
| 22:35.44 | Om | uruboro, I've got the newest version, I just reinstalled it, what other package managers are there? :) |
| 22:35.45 | ireverentReveren | how do i uninitialize a md device for use with software raid? |
| 22:36.04 | Chest | im afraid that if I upgrade to sarge i'm going to break something, which I can't have happen. I'll wait. IT's supposed to be soon right? |
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| 22:36.20 | SlayerXP | Chest: i've run production systems continuously on _unstable_ for the past 6 years or more. |
| 22:36.27 | Chest | hmmmm |
| 22:36.33 | Chest | so how do I upgrade? |
| 22:36.34 | uruboro | Om aptitude |
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| 22:36.38 | Chest | using the command line? |
| 22:36.48 | Om | uruboro, k, thanks :) |
| 22:36.50 | Chest | im a debian noobie btw |
| 22:36.59 | travisat | Chest: edit your sources.list and replace stable or woody with sarge |
| 22:37.14 | SlayerXP | Chest: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change "stable" to "testing", then "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 22:37.14 | uruboro | Om welcome :) |
| 22:37.15 | alus | "xserver-xfree86 is broken or not fully installed" |
| 22:37.18 | travisat | Chest: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:37.19 | alus | how can I fix that? |
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| 22:37.58 | Chest | will it change my network settings, ie my ifconfig settings and such or my ssh setups? If I upgrade can I log in remotely 2 hours from now? |
| 22:38.07 | drac | alus: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:38.12 | travisat | Chest: shouldn't and yes |
| 22:38.44 | SlayerXP | Chest: what travisat said. |
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| 22:39.00 | Chest | awright, y'all convinced me |
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| 22:39.13 | SlayerXP | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.15 | SlayerXP | whhops |
| 22:39.20 | Chest | lmao |
| 22:39.21 | SlayerXP | Chest: kidding :) |
| 22:39.22 | uruboro | freeswan or openswan, which one do you recommend? dpkg isn't helpful about that :) |
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| 22:39.40 | travisat | least he isn't going to unstable/experimental |
| 22:39.51 | alus | drac: so I have a version of xserver-xfree86 installed, 4.1.0-16woody, that I would very much like to keep - how can I install x-window-system and ensure I keep the same version of xserver-xfree86? |
| 22:39.53 | SlayerXP | uruboro: openswan, as freeswan is frozen |
| 22:40.06 | uruboro | ok thank you SlayerXP |
| 22:40.20 | drivera | uruboro: nothing yet... |
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| 22:40.32 | SlayerXP | uruboro: openswan is what freeswan became after the freeswan maintainers decided not to do it any more |
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| 22:41.03 | ho0ber | how do i get changes in my .bashrc file to take effect? |
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| 22:41.14 | SlayerXP | ho0ber: source .bashrc |
| 22:41.17 | uruboro | drivera, you had the usb kernel modules loaded? |
| 22:41.39 | drivera | uruboro: let me see.. |
| 22:41.41 | uruboro | SlayerXP, i didn't know that one about freeswan freezing. |
| 22:41.44 | TheLittleWitch | Someone with linxu and routing/network knowledge here ? available for chat |
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| 22:42.12 | SlayerXP | uruboro: the project had a goal of making OE commonplace, it failed. therefore they gave up. |
| 22:42.15 | alex_ | ok I put sometime to enable firewire on my debian, I got it now, can someone help me out here to try to mount my firewire external HD on my debian ?, (reminder: the HD is a LACIE I use on a MAc, but it does not mount anymore |
| 22:42.25 | AtHor | alguien que hable espaņol?? |
| 22:42.38 | drac | alus: I guess.. apt-get -t stable install x-window-system |
| 22:42.42 | SlayerXP | AtHor: je ne pas mange fromage c'est soir, je suis au regime. |
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| 22:42.51 | Chest | SlayerXP: Do I need to change the woody statements as well? |
| 22:43.04 | SlayerXP | Chest: "woody statements"? |
| 22:43.06 | Chest | in sources.list |
| 22:43.21 | SlayerXP | where it says woody, change to sarge |
| 22:43.23 | Chest | oops. i added those |
| 22:43.25 | Chest | tsorry |
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| 22:43.34 | SlayerXP | and comment out the "security" lines |
| 22:43.36 | ho0ber | SlayerXP: how do i get it to take effect *every* time i log in |
| 22:43.40 | AtHor | SlayerXP I understand you.... xDD |
| 22:43.55 | SlayerXP | ho0ber: include it in .bash_login? |
| 22:44.03 | uruboro | alex_, does dmesg tell you where the hd is seen, as device? |
| 22:44.05 | SlayerXP | AtHor: bah :) |
| 22:44.05 | ho0ber | okay, thanks SlayerXP |
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| 22:44.09 | alus | drac: I saw that downloading xserver-xfree86 4.3.0 so I stopped it. It seems like that didn't work |
| 22:44.22 | drivera | uruboro: just usbcore.. |
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| 22:44.52 | igraltist | hi |
| 22:45.00 | uruboro | drivera, usb lp or a similar name might be needed too... wait i check. |
| 22:45.00 | The_mystiC | /home according to df is 100% (full). I need to find up whos taking all the space. i did ls -l with root in /home but i cant see which folder is the one with all the content. any help? |
| 22:45.01 | alex_ | uruboro: pff the dmesg is huge |
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| 22:45.19 | dendrite | The_mystiC: du -sh /home/* |
| 22:45.25 | igraltist | i have i ide streamer, how can acces on it? |
| 22:45.26 | alex_ | uruboro: nothing about it |
| 22:45.26 | uruboro | alex_, grep for scsi, maybe |
| 22:45.26 | SlayerXP | The_mystiC: du -sh /home/* |
| 22:45.35 | The_mystiC | thank you. ill try that :) |
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| 22:45.41 | GarySaved | When I log into Debian, should I hear a sound clip? |
| 22:45.44 | alex_ | uruboro: can you guide me through I can' t concentrate |
| 22:45.50 | alex_ | grep scsi |
| 22:45.58 | The_mystiC | workeed! great! thank you SlayerXP, dendrite |
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| 22:46.05 | uruboro | no... :) |
| 22:46.05 | SlayerXP | GarySaved: err, either yes or no. |
| 22:46.12 | Chest | btw, can anyone reccommend a good webmail imap client. I've been looking at horde's imp. |
| 22:46.24 | SlayerXP | Chest: squirrelmail |
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| 22:46.47 | schuler | The_mystiC: find /home -size +1000000k -print |
| 22:46.50 | uruboro | dmesg | grep scsi |
| 22:46.58 | SlayerXP | IMP is great, on the 1 in 5 occasions they make a release in which everything works |
| 22:47.13 | uruboro | drivera there should be an usblp module too |
| 22:47.28 | dendrite | Hmm.. FaTHeR seems to be a porn video spam bot, if any ops are around... |
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| 22:47.48 | drivera | uruboro: usbmouse.. |
| 22:48.02 | drivera | uruboro: just this.. |
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| 22:48.37 | alex_ | uruboro: hdc: attached ide-scsi driver. |
| 22:48.37 | alex_ | scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices |
| 22:48.39 | alex_ | ide-scsi: hdc: unsupported command in request queue (0 |
| 22:48.45 | drivera | uruboro: lp |
| 22:49.16 | Ether_Man_ | Im currently trying to install debian on my laptop (a very old one without cdrom or anything like that). Im going to do a netinstall but when it gets to the network configuration, something goes wrong.. I can manually bring the interface up and even ping my router so I do get a network connection, however when I try to add my router as the default router.. it fails.. is it not supposed to be 'route add default 192.168.1.1' ? |
| 22:49.16 | drac | alus: the server is broken because you have mixed woody with sarge and not done it all the way :/ |
| 22:49.18 | uruboro | drivera the module name is usblp. i am not 100% sure it is needed for all usb printers but i suspect it |
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| 22:49.39 | drac | alus: why you want to keep old 4.1? |
| 22:49.48 | alus | drac: the goal is to have sarge but keep the woody xserver |
| 22:49.56 | uruboro | alex so try mount -t hfsplus /dev/hdcX /mnt i guess X>1 because the 1st partition is apple reserved |
| 22:50.16 | drac | alus: That's impossible |
| 22:50.16 | alus | because the unstable xserver has broken the SGI/mesa gl wrapper so that it's as slow as mesag3 |
| 22:50.17 | uruboro | alex, sorry remember to add -o ro too |
| 22:50.22 | drivera | uruboro: my printer is not USB |
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| 22:50.44 | alus | the woody xserver runs great, but things like g++ are old and unusable |
| 22:50.44 | uruboro | alex so try mount -t hfsplus -o ro /dev/hdcX /mnt |
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| 22:50.59 | drivera | uruboro: paralel |
| 22:51.00 | dendrite | Ether_Man_: gw, not default |
| 22:51.00 | uruboro | drivera that changes things completely !!! sorry |
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| 22:51.28 | uruboro | drivera i dunno about parallel. sorry |
| 22:51.41 | drivera | uruboro: ok |
| 22:51.47 | Ether_Man_ | dendrite: Then I get can't resolv gw |
| 22:51.55 | drivera | uruboro: thanks |
| 22:52.10 | uruboro | drivera, sorry again :) |
| 22:52.30 | drivera | uruboro: no problem.. |
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| 22:52.33 | drac | alus: unstable xserver? |
| 22:52.36 | drivera | uruboro: :) |
| 22:52.41 | drac | alus: "upgrading" from stable to unstable ? |
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| 22:53.42 | alus | drac: I don't understand your questions. xserver 4.1.0 runs great, xserver 4.3.0 runs slow. |
| 22:53.55 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.02 | dendrite | Ether_Man_: I've not been in your exact situation, but something like "route add -net 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.1.1 eth0" might be it. |
| 22:54.55 | drivera | uruboro: do you know anything that could help me? :) |
| 22:55.01 | schuler | how can I get rid of a package in sid where dpkg -r <package> leads to an error |
| 22:55.19 | TheLittleWitch | Routing question... check here http://tryll.net/erik/network.txt What do i need to get Network A and B to communicate ? |
| 22:55.24 | Rawplayer | Ether_Man_: route add default gw gwiphere |
| 22:55.33 | Ether_Man_ | dendrite: it accepted it.. but now I suddenly have no contact at all >_< |
| 22:55.37 | Ether_Man_ | Rawplayer: ah.. k |
| 22:55.49 | uruboro | drivera unfortunately (or luckily) i never operated a parallel device, sorry |
| 22:56.12 | alus | drac: so I'd stick with woody, but g++ has a well documented internal compiler error that apparantly will never be fixed in woody |
| 22:56.14 | uruboro | drivera, macs have been serial fanatics |
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| 22:57.33 | drac | alus: so you have 'testing' or 'unstable' in your sources.list now? |
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| 22:57.58 | alus | drac: yes |
| 22:58.08 | drac | alus: wich one? |
| 22:58.13 | ho0ber | another question here: I just threw 2 more disks in my computer, what util/command can i use to figure out what they are called and format them? |
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| 22:58.32 | david__11 | how could I install mysql on debian? |
| 22:58.44 | alus | drac: both |
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| 22:59.06 | valdyn | david__11: apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 22:59.16 | drac | alus: sounds like your system is doomed. ;) |
| 22:59.19 | david__11 | valdyn: thanks (i wasn't sure if that was it) |
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| 22:59.37 | alus | drac: well I knew that when I started this whole thing |
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| 23:04.13 | schuler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:05.47 | maccadam | does somebody know in which proc entry I can read the temperature for my iBook?? |
| 23:06.11 | RootsLINUX | maccadam, the second one ^_^ |
| 23:06.21 | maccadam | RootsLINUX: oops sorry ;) |
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| 23:06.54 | jp_ | Hi, could someone help me to mount a usb key please? |
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| 23:07.26 | mwilson | schuler: Why would you be trying to remove it that way in the first place? Does anyone get to know what the error you get actually IS? |
| 23:07.52 | jp_ | problem: in /dev, I don't have any sda1. Why? hotplug and usbutils are installed. and ide-scss and usb-storage is loaded. Could someone help me? |
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| 23:08.03 | brynjarh | When I put my user in the plugdev group automatic mounting of removable storage devices works perfectly. |
| 23:08.42 | brynjarh | jp_, try putting the user in the plugdev group. |
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| 23:08.48 | AtHor | jp_ : you should edit /etc/fstab |
| 23:09.03 | drac | jp_: ..install udev |
| 23:09.31 | alus | why doesn't apt-get check to see if source.list has changed and offer to update? |
| 23:09.45 | mwilson | Why should it? |
| 23:09.47 | uruboro | jp_ do you have scsi disk scsi generic and vfat modules installed? |
| 23:09.49 | schuler | mwilson: error: dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-auth-plain (--remove): |
| 23:09.50 | schuler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:10.46 | brynjarh | drac, AtHor, when you install Debian, plus X and GNOME then you also have udev and hotplug installed but automatic mounting doesn't work, when you add something to fstab things show up under "Computer" in GNOME but they show up there even if you have nothing connected, but when you add the user to plugdev you don't need to edit the fstab file, things get added automatically. |
| 23:11.06 | mwilson | drac: Uh, if he doesn't have udev installed, and he *doesn't* have /dev/sda1, then his system is more than a little broken. |
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| 23:11.10 | ho0ber | another question: if i have drives formatted in ntfs on my debian box, will they perform slower than if I made them ext3? |
| 23:11.32 | mwilson | ho0ber: You can't write to an NTFS drive. |
| 23:12.09 | jp_ | in fstab, I have this: /dev/sdb1 /usb vfat auto,exec 0 0. Could you remember for me the group where I've to put my user? But I've the same problem in root |
| 23:12.21 | ho0ber | well, i'm very confused, because i put 2 new drives in when i formatted, and though i made them ext3, but now when i open them in fdisk, they say ntfs... and i can write to them |
| 23:12.24 | brynjarh | jp_, AtHor, drac : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/11/msg00201.html |
| 23:12.48 | alus | ho0ber: ntfs support for linux sucks, stick to ext3 |
| 23:13.04 | ho0ber | hmmm, yeah |
| 23:13.11 | ho0ber | that was my plan |
| 23:13.29 | ho0ber | i just dont know why the drives i though i made ext3 are now showing up as ntfs |
| 23:13.35 | AtHor | brinjarh: ajam... ok ok . I'm a new user. I only write what I know, :P |
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| 23:13.46 | mwilson | ho0ber: I doubt they are. |
| 23:13.53 | hutze | ho0ber, in fdisk ? |
| 23:13.55 | alus | ho0ber: showing up where? |
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| 23:13.56 | ho0ber | yes |
| 23:14.01 | alus | werid |
| 23:14.10 | alus | or weird |
| 23:14.11 | hutze | ho0ber, those are partition-types not fs |
| 23:14.20 | mwilson | What does fdisk have to do with the filesystem that might be on the partition? |
| 23:14.32 | ho0ber | /dev/hdh1 1 30401 244196001 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 23:14.34 | ho0ber | that |
| 23:15.20 | mwilson | Again, what does fdisk have to do with anything? What fs type does *mount* say is on the partition? |
| 23:15.22 | brynjarh | AtHor, yea, I didn't know about this solution with adding the user to the pludev group until recently. And I'm stoned right now :/ |
| 23:15.23 | hutze | but if anyone knows, what difference does it make if you ext3 is on a ntfs partition? |
| 23:15.42 | Blissex | ho0ber: it is the partition type, not the filesystem. Sometimes partition types are named after the filesystem that is expected to be in them. |
| 23:15.49 | ho0ber | ah... gotcha |
| 23:15.51 | jp_ | is it normal plugdev group doesn't exist? |
| 23:15.55 | Blissex | hutze: MS Windows will get pretty confused. |
| 23:16.12 | mwilson | jp_: Until you install something that uses it, it won't exist. |
| 23:16.13 | Blissex | hutze: but Linux essentially ignores most partition types... |
| 23:16.13 | brynjarh | jp_, are you using stable, testing or unstable? |
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| 23:16.48 | jp_ | I'm using stable |
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| 23:17.35 | ho0ber | mwilson: ah, thanks. mount made it very clear. sorry for my noobness, i just freaked when i saw it say ntfs in fdisk when i was going to format the new drives |
| 23:17.57 | ho0ber | thanks for clearing that up for me guys ( mwilson / Blissex ) |
| 23:17.57 | brynjarh | jp_, then it's not weird, I think the plugdev solution is only in testing and unstable, since it was first introduced in Ubuntu I think. But I'm stoned right now so I'm having a hard time concentrating :/ |
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| 23:18.53 | jp_ | but what solution do I have so? |
| 23:19.03 | simonrvn | ignore it |
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| 23:19.10 | brynjarh | jp_, to use fstab I guess. |
| 23:19.38 | jp_ | yes, well especially to have a sda in my dev and to manage to mount my usb key |
| 23:19.59 | simonrvn | use fstab and user option |
| 23:20.09 | mwilson | jp_: You use stable, you said? If you don't have a /dev/sda, then you removed it. |
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| 23:20.36 | jp_ | ah, and is it possible to re-install it so? |
| 23:20.37 | simonrvn | yeh, that too =) |
| 23:21.04 | mwilson | <shrug> man MAKEDEV, then recreate it. |
| 23:21.17 | WE_R_DNA | what happens when linux is emulated on windows? |
| 23:21.40 | hutze | WE_R_DNA, tell us |
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| 23:21.46 | MrMan | It's Linux on Windows. It works fine (at least for me). |
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| 23:22.07 | WE_R_DNA | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/02/25/162243.shtml?tid=109&tid=106 |
| 23:22.07 | MrMan | I used VMWare to do that a few months ago with Debian testing. |
| 23:22.09 | jp_ | MAKEDEV? good idea. And, of course I'll look at the man, but if you've an idea to allow me to go more fastly, what should I type to recreate a sda? MANEDEV...? I would be happy to have a answer |
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| 23:23.01 | mwilson | Yes, I figured he was referring to the Dvorak stupidity. Can't you even get the premise of Dvorak's column right when you troll it? |
| 23:23.04 | schuler | are there security updates for unstable? |
| 23:23.10 | mwilson | Or did you not even bother to read it? |
| 23:23.13 | mwilson | schuler: No. |
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| 23:23.59 | mwilson | jp_: The man page is an easy read. |
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| 23:25.44 | drp | does anyone run an ssh server on their home machine ... if so what software do you use |
| 23:25.59 | CyL | drp< sshd |
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| 23:26.12 | mwilson | drp: There's a reason to use something other than the one your distribution provides, huh? |
| 23:26.37 | drp | mwilson: I wasn't sure that's why I'm asking |
| 23:26.45 | drp | mwilson: I've never set one up before |
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| 23:29.02 | EvanCarroll | im hainvg a problem with ssh myself |
| 23:29.25 | EvanCarroll | getting Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 23:32.46 | Blissex | mwilson: telnet/SSL and s/key sometimes... |
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| 23:33.39 | drivera | someone cold help me with a problem with a parallel printer hp610C installed with cups and foomatic? |
| 23:35.28 | simonrvn | www.linuxprinting.org |
| 23:36.14 | alus | "warning: Execute scp1 compatability" ? |
| 23:36.33 | alus | followed by "Executing ssh1 in compatability mode failed" |
| 23:36.46 | alus | the command I typed was: scp -2 blah |
| 23:37.03 | simonrvn | -2 forces version 2 ssh |
| 23:37.13 | uruboro | EvanCarrol i guess you want challengeresponse authentication enabled in the sshd conf file |
| 23:37.31 | uruboro | EvanCarr1ll, see above |
| 23:37.32 | uruboro | ;) |
| 23:37.36 | alus | yes, because 1 seems to be failing |
| 23:37.43 | alus | I get that message with or without the -2 |
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| 23:38.44 | uruboro | EvanCarroll, but i suggest learning how to use public key ssh login |
| 23:39.04 | drivera | simonrvn: I already know |
| 23:39.40 | EvanCarroll | uruboro: I just want it to 'work', normally i just install ssh, run /init.d/sshd, and ssh in, now when i try to ssh in i get that permission denied |
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| 23:40.15 | EvanCarroll | So i removed ssh with --purge, and reinstalled and its erroring out |
| 23:40.26 | EvanCarroll | shell-init: error retreiving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 23:40.31 | drivera | simonrvn: I already follow all instruction from linuxprinting |
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| 23:40.47 | uruboro | EvanCarroll, check in /etc/ssh/sshd_config if challengeresponse auth is enabled, then |
| 23:41.05 | drivera | simonrvn: no resolved my problem.. |
| 23:41.32 | uruboro | EvanCarroll, of course that must be set in the machine hosting ssh server |
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| 23:41.36 | uruboro | EvanCarroll, of course that must be set in the machine hosting the ssh server |
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| 23:42.24 | drivera | simonrvn: unfortunately... |
| 23:42.58 | EvanCarroll | uruboro: Alright i got it working now without enabeling it |
| 23:43.09 | EvanCarroll | well its enabled but commented out, so i guess that means not enabled =/ |
| 23:43.12 | EvanCarroll | point being its working |
| 23:43.23 | uruboro | EvanCarroll if it ain't broke... :O) |
| 23:44.01 | EvanCarroll | uruboro: damn right, SSH is incredibly advanced, oreilly makes a whole 085086pg book about it, i plan on reading it some day |
| 23:44.25 | EvanCarroll | right after i read the book devoted to regex's so i can finnaly answer the question wtf does that deserve it's own book. |
| 23:44.26 | alus | if I don't have a .xsesion and I'm using startx, where else could x commands like "sawfish" be coming from? |
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| 23:45.07 | EvanCarroll | two 's' in session, and there is also an .xinitrc isn't there? |
| 23:45.18 | alus | yeah, two s's |
| 23:45.36 | uruboro | EvanCarroll, a secure transmission over an insecure network is a complex matter, so ssh is complex too |
| 23:45.39 | stew | 3 Ss |
| 23:45.56 | maccadam | alus: .xsession is used by a desktop manager, .xinitrc is used by startx |
| 23:46.03 | alus | oic |
| 23:46.31 | alus | well I don't have a .xinitrc either |
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| 23:46.45 | drac | alus: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 23:46.56 | maccadam | alus: touch .xinitrc |
| 23:47.06 | maccadam | echo startbleh > .xinitrc |
| 23:47.28 | simonrvn | um, .xsession is used by everything but gdm (and even gdm uses that if you select the right session) |
| 23:47.31 | drp | anyone have a good link to setting up an ssh server on debian |
| 23:47.32 | alus | what I'm staying is commands are being executed when I use startx, and I'm trying to find them |
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| 23:47.40 | simonrvn | this is a "debianism" |
| 23:48.28 | maccadam | simonrvn: lol :) |
| 23:48.46 | simonrvn | what's so funny? |
| 23:48.47 | stew | simonrvn: whats up with ravenbird? |
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| 23:49.17 | simonrvn | stew: fried its little electrons and disk sectors out |
| 23:49.27 | stew | sucky |
| 23:49.35 | simonrvn | stew: really what happened was that ast CVS update broke some shit |
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| 23:50.10 | stew | cvs update -D "2 weeks ago" ? |
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| 23:51.06 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 23:51.47 | EvanCarroll | is there anyway to use scp to download stuff from an ssh server you are connected ie, im already connected and i want to just type 'grabme file' and it grabs it over the current ssh connection it seems from the docs as if scp would need to be forked and reauthenticate |
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| 23:53.36 | Blissex | EvanCarroll: yes. If you want in-connection transfers, consider using 'zmodem'. |
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| 23:55.11 | Mike77 | Hi guys. I finally installed a Debian OS in my box. However I'm missing a lot of Linux training. Can anyone recommend a good book (or e-book) to learn the structure of linux? |
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| 23:55.34 | EvanCarroll | Blissex: im not seeing a zmodem with ssh package, or in apt repos |
| 23:55.44 | trans_err | Mike77: use it |
| 23:56.10 | EvanCarroll | Mike77: Linux cookbook seems to work well for friends |
| 23:56.17 | michal_ | how can i set a directory's permissions so that all files created in it are owned by the user and belong to the group of the directory (the user is also in the group of the directory) |
| 23:56.20 | simonrvn | @test |
| 23:56.28 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 23:56.32 | michal_ | i'm looking at the chmod man page but i don't see how it can be done |
| 23:56.40 | stew | ravenbird: wb |
| 23:56.41 | ravenbird | stew: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:56.50 | simonrvn | no, don't bother |
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| 23:57.40 | Mike77 | EvanCarroll: is it Linux Cookbook |
| 23:57.40 | Mike77 | by Carla Schroder |
| 23:57.43 | MobyTurbo | EvanCarroll: apt-get install lrzsz |
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| 23:57.47 | michal_ | i guess i'm after the default create permissions ? don't know what to call them |
| 23:57.50 | trapd0r | i have a usb keyboard and im trying to install debian when it gets to the boot: screen the keyboard works fine but when it asks me to select a language it won't work, any idea how to fix that? |
| 23:57.58 | Blissex | EvanCarroll: weird, should be there. It is not part of SSH. Check if 'xmodem' is there. |
| 23:58.55 | trapd0r | NeScHe`mUziK`diN is spamming onjoin |
| 23:59.06 | Blissex | EvanCarroll: if you do 'apt-cache search' you'll see 'lrzsz', that is the name of the zmodem package. it must be installed on both hosts of course. |
| 23:59.09 | EvanCarroll | Mike77: Its just called Linux Cookbook its made by the sister company of oreilly its in its second eddition if i remember right |
| 23:59.49 | stew | michal_: you can set the directory to be g+s and the group owner will be inherited but you can't do it with owner |
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