| 00:00.08 | michal_ | all the trouble caused by taking away everyone root access is going to backfire :/ we'll be back to everyone having root access.. sudo seems to hard for people to use |
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| 00:00.49 | stew | michal_: why isn't group ownership enough? |
| 00:00.58 | trapd0r | i have a usb keyboard and im trying to install debian when it gets to the boot: screen the keyboard works fine but when it asks me to select a language it won't work, any idea how to fix that? |
| 00:01.05 | michal_ | because when they edit files the ownerships change |
| 00:01.19 | EvanCarroll | michal_: this isn't ubuntu... we still allow root access, and sudo -s is pretty much the equiv to 'root' |
| 00:01.33 | Mike77 | EvanCarroll: There are several Linux Cookbooks, can you recognize it from here? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/103-7608826-2567818 |
| 00:01.37 | stew | michal_: ownership doens't change when you edit a file |
| 00:01.53 | michal_ | well here the secretary who doesn't know how to use windows has root access and sometimes does system administration.. and destroys things |
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| 00:02.12 | EvanCarroll | Mike77: ts by michael stutz |
| 00:02.24 | Mike77 | EvanCarroll: Thanx |
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| 00:02.56 | trapd0r | can anyone help me with my problem? |
| 00:03.12 | ixi-deb05 | Hi. How to view properties of an X application which could be set using ~/.Xresourses? |
| 00:03.17 | michal_ | stew: well i didn't think it did either but it's doing it on this system.. admittedly this isn't a debian system. i'm not really familiar with rh9 and neither is anybody else so i'm just after a generic linux solution (ie default create ownerships) |
| 00:03.43 | wilbur | can someone tell me how to remove ethernet cards from trying to load on startup, I have a wireless card and two other cards. I only want the wireless card to obtain an IP address at boot |
| 00:04.09 | ixi-deb05 | wilbur: /etc/network/interfaces - remove auto? |
| 00:04.24 | stew | michal_: i already told you how... |
| 00:04.31 | trapd0r | i have a usb keyboard and im trying to install debian when it gets to the boot: screen the keyboard works fine but when it asks me to select a language it won't work, any idea how to fix that? |
| 00:04.36 | stew | michal_: you should probably be in ##linux, not here |
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| 00:05.20 | ixi-deb05 | xblahbalhprop or how that tool is called which shows X window props? :) |
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| 00:06.10 | trapd0r | is there a better debian channel somewhere? |
| 00:06.25 | stew | trapd0r: are you using d-i? |
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| 00:06.31 | EvanCarroll | ixi-deb05: ls /usr/bin | grep -i 'prop*' |
| 00:06.37 | stew | trapd0r: are you installing woody or sarge? |
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| 00:06.39 | trapd0r | whats d-i? |
| 00:06.41 | trapd0r | woody |
| 00:06.44 | simonrvn | !d-i |
| 00:06.44 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 00:06.44 | ixi-deb05 | EvanCarroll: good idea :) |
| 00:06.56 | EvanCarroll | i thought so =] |
| 00:07.03 | trapd0r | nope its 3.0r4 |
| 00:07.05 | stew | trapd0r: is this going to be a server? |
| 00:07.07 | alus | hm, sawfish won't uninstall |
| 00:07.13 | trapd0r | just a pc |
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| 00:07.19 | stew | !d-i trapd0r |
| 00:07.20 | alus | because it uses update-alternatives wrong |
| 00:07.20 | dpkg | trapd0r, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:08.08 | trapd0r | thanks |
| 00:08.22 | EvanCarroll | how do i get a list of dpkg command set lol |
| 00:08.24 | stew | alus: checked the bts? |
| 00:08.28 | trapd0r | i just need the first .iso to install right? |
| 00:08.31 | EvanCarroll | as in the bot not the program |
| 00:08.34 | stew | EvanCarroll: /msg dpkg help |
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| 00:08.54 | stew | EvanCarroll: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 00:08.58 | david11 | how do you update the locate command? |
| 00:09.06 | stew | david11: updatedb |
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| 00:09.20 | david11 | stew: thanks |
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| 00:10.52 | alus | stew: yes, not there |
| 00:10.58 | trapd0r | i just need the first .iso to install sarge right? |
| 00:11.05 | stew | trapd0r: yeah, or a netinst |
| 00:11.18 | stew | alus: whats the error you get? |
| 00:11.22 | trapd0r | thanks again |
| 00:11.33 | stew | trapd0r: you're welcome, enjoy |
| 00:11.55 | EvanCarroll | EvanCarroll++ |
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| 00:12.42 | alus | stew: update-alternatives says --slave cannot be used without --install |
| 00:12.46 | scarynetworkguy | :bofhsmite EvanCarroll |
| 00:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | Don't astroturf. |
| 00:13.00 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite EvanCarroll |
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| 00:13.47 | stew | alus: file a bug, and in the mean time you can edit the postrm script for the package in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 00:14.15 | dionoea | hello people. I've been trying to install from hard drive and i keep getting the "Failed to copy filefrom CDROM" error |
| 00:14.17 | EvanCarroll | =/ |
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| 00:14.30 | dionoea | any specific iso i should use ? |
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| 00:14.41 | EvanCarroll | dionoea: clean the cdrom and run an integrity check |
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| 00:14.59 | EvanCarroll | err |
| 00:15.07 | EvanCarroll | clean the cd even, slightly more usefull than cleaning the cdrom |
| 00:15.26 | dionoea | EvanCarroll: the problem is that its trying to load /cdrom/dists//Release instead of existing /cdrom/dists/woody/Release |
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| 00:15.40 | dionoea | EvanCarroll: its an iso on hd |
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| 00:16.03 | stew | dionoea: what is the deb line in sources.list? |
| 00:16.24 | dionoea | stew: there isn't any sources.list |
| 00:16.27 | EvanCarroll | dionoea: hrm not sure if you can edit isos, but a simply simlink might work if you can =/ or it might blow up |
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| 00:16.36 | WE_R_DNA | can debian get spy ware? |
| 00:16.42 | dionoea | its the really first step in the hd-media install |
| 00:16.54 | EvanCarroll | WE_R_DNA: if you want to write some for it and install it as root |
| 00:17.15 | WE_R_DNA | ohh hnasty |
| 00:17.17 | dionoea | :p |
| 00:17.18 | WE_R_DNA | :) |
| 00:18.03 | EvanCarroll | dionoea: got me never bothered to install from HD and i rarly ever use iso's on linux =/ sry i would still look for the integrity check option as an md5 checksum isn't specific to a cd =/ |
| 00:18.04 | sivi | hola |
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| 00:18.18 | stew | dionoea: can you just ln -s woody/Release Release for now to make it happy? |
| 00:18.37 | dionoea | stew: the thing is read only and doesn't seem to like -o remount,rw |
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| 00:19.02 | dionoea | i'll have to get an ide cdrom drive on this pc ... |
| 00:19.04 | paulswm | ping resiak |
| 00:19.05 | paulswm | heh |
| 00:19.12 | EvanCarroll | dionoea: Do you have rw access to the image and the loopback? |
| 00:19.39 | dionoea | EvanCarroll: i should have, but mount isn't really cooperative |
| 00:19.39 | EvanCarroll | dionoea: debian can netinstall from 3 floppies |
| 00:19.46 | dionoea | EvanCarroll: no floppy drive either :) |
| 00:19.54 | shekky | newbie question how do I check the kernel version of my install and how do I install the kernel source files? |
| 00:20.03 | dionoea | shekky: uname -a |
| 00:20.03 | EvanCarroll | dionoea: I was referring to the iso that mount points to run 'ls -l ./location/file.iso' and make sure your permissions are right |
| 00:20.25 | stew | shekky: uname -r ; why do you want the source, are you sure the headers won't do? |
| 00:20.28 | EvanCarroll | shekky: kernel-package to bild custom kernel |
| 00:20.43 | EvanCarroll | s/bild/build |
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| 00:21.22 | shekky | I am trying to install a logitech quickcam pro4000 and the forum I am trying to get the instructions to install from says I need to have the kernel source files to install the camera |
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| 00:22.12 | shekky | its from saillard.org and it says compile the module (this needs the source of your actual kernel to |
| 00:22.12 | shekky | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.19 | jcook | are there any decent wifi management apps out there? |
| 00:22.20 | stew | shekky: you should only need the kernel headers then |
| 00:22.50 | stew | shekky: what does uname -r say/ |
| 00:23.16 | shekky | <stew> how do I get/install those , uname says 2.6.8-1 |
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| 00:23.50 | shekky | <stew>2.6.8-1.386 |
| 00:24.18 | stew | shekky: you will have to upgrade to 2.6.8-2 first as it has replaced 2.6.8-1 and the headers/source for -1 are gone |
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| 00:24.43 | stew | shekky: so apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kerner-headers-2.6.8-2 should do it |
| 00:25.04 | shekky | ah ok, how would I do that? is that all one line or two separate commands? |
| 00:25.13 | stew | shekky: that will install the headers in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2/build which should be everything you need to compile a module |
| 00:25.16 | stew | 1 command |
| 00:25.34 | shekky | ok thanks, am trying it now |
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| 00:27.11 | jcook | does anyone have wpa_supplicant working with an ndisdriver based interface? |
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| 00:28.16 | jcook | does anyone use wpa_supplicant? |
| 00:28.34 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 00:28.44 | jetscreamer | shfs is cool |
| 00:28.56 | directhex | so is ice. |
| 00:29.02 | jetscreamer | and snow |
| 00:29.02 | directhex | ice, ice baby |
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| 00:29.16 | Baby | :) |
| 00:29.27 | shekky | <stew> I entered apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 00:29.30 | jcook | ffs ... does anyone here use wireless for their networking? |
| 00:29.36 | shekky | and it has finished installing |
| 00:29.44 | shekky | <stew> what do I do next? |
| 00:29.59 | jetscreamer | ah wpa authentication i guess or whatever the term |
| 00:30.46 | jim | shekky: now build the module |
| 00:31.09 | stew | shekky: reboot |
| 00:31.11 | mwilson | jcook: <shrug> Any number of people do. |
| 00:31.12 | stew | shekky: then bulid |
| 00:31.20 | shekky | do I just do a ./configure , make , make install ? |
| 00:31.20 | mati | Hi all. I am changing the hd which holds the root for my system. How to install grub onto the new hd? since the box has no floppy nor cdrom drive it has to be done from within the old hd. I did grub install hd3 but it only fscked grub on hd0. shoudl i do setup hd3 from the grub boot shell? |
| 00:31.42 | mati | s/grub install/grub-install/ |
| 00:31.47 | jetscreamer | chroot |
| 00:31.48 | mwilson | shekky: You actually have no idea of what those commands do, right? |
| 00:31.51 | shekky | <stew> uname -r still gives 2.6.8-1 |
| 00:32.02 | stew | shekky: did you reboot? |
| 00:32.04 | jim | shekky: if you can configure, you might have to tell the configure step where the kernel headers are stored |
| 00:32.05 | shekky | <mwilson> yes I do not have an idea |
| 00:32.50 | shekky | <jim> I am new, and the way I would have to tell the configure step where the headers are, is something I dont know |
| 00:33.07 | jetscreamer | !shekky++ |
| 00:33.11 | jim | ./configture --help will print a list of its options |
| 00:33.39 | jim | but shekky, is there a configure or configure.in in the dir? |
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| 00:35.13 | jim | if not then it's probably all controlled from the make file |
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| 00:36.01 | Gnurdux | i have a problem with gnome-volume-manager on sarge |
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| 00:36.15 | jim | and then all bets are off at that point; you just have to read and maybe edit the makefile... or maybe pass parameters and set variables on the make invocation |
| 00:36.20 | Gnurdux | first it wouldnt mount my usb disk because of a problem with the perms in pmount |
| 00:36.23 | Gnurdux | i fixed that |
| 00:36.30 | Gnurdux | but it still doesnt add t othe fstab |
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| 00:37.00 | jim | gnome-volume-manager is responsible for mounting usb media?? |
| 00:37.02 | directhex | Gnurdux, it's not meant to change fstab, it just mounts. and you need to add the user to the 'plugdev' group to make pmount behave |
| 00:37.11 | mwilson | jim: No. |
| 00:37.11 | directhex | jim, yes. if you want it to. |
| 00:37.14 | Gnurdux | oh i see |
| 00:37.15 | mati | to rephrase my question: what will happen if I do "setup hd3" from the grub shell and switch the disks so that hd3 becomes hd0? |
| 00:37.16 | Gnurdux | damn |
| 00:37.27 | jim | ahh, the famous yesno response :) |
| 00:37.33 | Gnurdux | i should set pmount back to default perms |
| 00:37.35 | mwilson | jim: It's required if you think for some silly reason that automount is a good idea. |
| 00:37.36 | jim | or was it noyes :) |
| 00:37.41 | Gnurdux | what are the perms for pmount |
| 00:37.55 | Gnurdux | by default |
| 00:37.58 | karamelos | does kernel 2.4.27 support frame-buffer? I am updating from 2.4.22, which does support it, but the frame-buffer option is grayed out! |
| 00:38.01 | Gnurdux | i should put them back |
| 00:38.07 | directhex | -rwsr-xr-- |
| 00:38.14 | shekky | <jim> I cannot find configure.h in the usr/src/kernel-headers dir |
| 00:38.28 | jim | okok, so it's that I don't understand anything about what gnome-volume-manager does |
| 00:38.35 | shekky | <stew> I rebooted and selected the 2.6.8-2 kernel to boot into |
| 00:38.42 | jetscreamer | karamelos, that usually means it's dependant on another module that isn't selected |
| 00:38.48 | jim | shekky: in the module source |
| 00:38.52 | mwilson | jim: Nothing terribly useful. |
| 00:38.52 | directhex | shekky, that's incredibly annoyinh, surrounding a name in pointy brackets is irc language meaning you're quoting something somebidy has said, not that you're talking to them, |
| 00:38.53 | Gnurdux | what are the perms for pmount? |
| 00:39.14 | jim | not configure.h, but configure and/or configure.in |
| 00:39.19 | jim | or configure.ac |
| 00:39.23 | mati | seems that I have to give it a try |
| 00:39.25 | directhex | jim, does things when you insert removable media, e.g. starts a dvd player when you insert a dvd video, or mounts usb media if you inser some |
| 00:39.26 | karamelos | jetscreamer, I guess that. but I've looking around the xconfig and can't figure out what module may be missing. |
| 00:39.31 | Gnurdux | please someone what eare the perms for pmount???? |
| 00:39.32 | jim | ohhhh |
| 00:39.33 | Gnurdux | please |
| 00:39.35 | jim | VOLUME |
| 00:39.38 | mati | thanks and bye |
| 00:39.41 | jim | I thought it was a SOUND app |
| 00:39.45 | shekky | jim: where would the module source be? |
| 00:39.47 | jim | thankyou :) |
| 00:39.48 | directhex | Gnurdux, try harder and you might be able to ignore where i said it |
| 00:39.55 | Gnurdux | oh you said it yay |
| 00:39.57 | jetscreamer | karamelos, no idea... nvidia here. |
| 00:40.00 | Gnurdux | thanx |
| 00:40.03 | mwilson | Gnurdux: Why should anyone tell you? You ignore it when they do. |
| 00:40.14 | Gnurdux | people talk fastc here |
| 00:40.18 | jim | shekky: I dunno :) where did you put it :) |
| 00:40.21 | Gnurdux | there is a lot of conversation |
| 00:40.30 | jim | shekky: what is it you are trying to compile? |
| 00:40.33 | shekky | jim: dunno |
| 00:40.37 | Gnurdux | and im kinda n00bish so i odnt really recgninze perms |
| 00:40.42 | mwilson | Gnurdux: It wasn't my question, nor was it my answer, but *I* saw it. |
| 00:40.48 | Gnurdux | it would have helped if he had puy gnux: |
| 00:40.52 | Gnurdux | i saw it |
| 00:40.55 | Gnurdux | after he told me |
| 00:41.11 | jim | if you really don'ti know, then all bets are -really- off :) |
| 00:41.12 | shekky | jim: I am trying to install the kernel source so that I can install a logitech quickcam pro 4000, which requires the kernel source to be present |
| 00:41.41 | karamelos | jetscreamer, I am using a savage driver, which I selected from configuring xserver-xfree86. The strange thing is frame-buffer is available in 2.4.22. |
| 00:41.56 | jim | shekky: ohh ok, so you are -not- trying to compile a module that comes separately from the kernel source |
| 00:41.56 | mwilson | Someone explain something to me... cluebies get SO offended when you tell them they're a "n00b", then they come right back and call themselves one. Is this some sort of pre-emption, where they think they're going to save themselves, or something? |
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| 00:43.00 | jim | mwilson: did you know they're going to have affirmative action for newbies, and you can't call them the n word (n00b) anymore without being fined? :) |
| 00:43.10 | mwilson | It's like... so you're new. So what? How is it relevant? No one knows everything. Is it a plea for sympathy, or something? |
| 00:43.18 | directhex | mwilson, it's more a human nature thing, if you have a dark secret, you don't want people to state it before you do. look at people being 'outed' for being gay |
| 00:43.20 | mwilson | jim: I never use it in the first place. |
| 00:43.56 | shekky | how do I install the kernel source? |
| 00:44.06 | Gnurdux | apt-get it |
| 00:44.14 | directhex | shekky, apt-get install kernel-source-2.x.y |
| 00:44.19 | stew | shekky: apt-get install kernel-source-version, but you don't need it |
| 00:44.21 | Gnurdux | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 00:44.30 | jim | mwilson: well for one thing, they're saying (maybe): I'm not sure of the whole thing, and I might have holes (craters?) in my understanding |
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| 00:44.53 | mwilson | jim: Then they could just say that. |
| 00:44.56 | EvanCarroll | not to be different but I would suggest kernel-tree rather than kernel-source |
| 00:45.05 | directhex | !lart EvanCarr1ll |
| 00:45.22 | jim | but they're n00bs^Winformationally challenged... |
| 00:45.34 | jim | they know not what they know not... yet... |
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| 00:45.42 | alus | I think it's more of an admission of imperfection, so that people might think you'll be easy to help |
| 00:45.51 | mwilson | kernel-tree is just a metapackage. Worse, it's a Xu metapackage. |
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| 00:46.25 | alus | whereas that someone that doesn't know they're new at it, or thinks very strongly that they're not, might be set in their ways and hard to coach |
| 00:46.30 | mwilson | alus: Actually, it's an excuse. And cluebies never seem to understand why someone would be reluctant to help someone who starts off with making excuses. |
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| 00:46.43 | shekky | <stew> I think thats what I may need to install the phillips webcam driver, as the installation instructions say that I need my kernel source to be installed |
| 00:46.44 | afaik | hello |
| 00:46.57 | stew | shekky: yeah, i know |
| 00:47.01 | afaik | is there someplace I can get java packages? (I dont care about the license, and I want the real thing) |
| 00:47.02 | shekky | <Gnurdux> that worked |
| 00:47.08 | jim | mwilson: it's an excuse at times... not every time |
| 00:47.12 | afaik | not that blackdown java shit that doesnt work with anything out there |
| 00:47.16 | alus | I think maybe I don't understand cluebies, I assumed it was the opposite of n00b |
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| 00:47.28 | jim | NooB? |
| 00:47.35 | shekky | <stew> I am installing the kernel source , I just dont know how to get this camera to work |
| 00:47.39 | jim | tht's the opposite? |
| 00:47.42 | directhex | afaik, install java-package from unstable, use the make-jpkg command to build a .deb from a sun.com .bin |
| 00:47.44 | mwilson | When is it *not* an excuse? I've never met a case. |
| 00:47.44 | alus | BooN |
| 00:47.48 | stew | !topicsmite afaik |
| 00:47.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon afaik. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:47.49 | jim | oh :) |
| 00:47.53 | wolfdream | when running emacs, it doesn't load my .emacs init file unless I use the -u switch - any suggestions? |
| 00:47.59 | Gnurdux | what is the difference between x and * in /etc/grouP? |
| 00:48.24 | jim | Gnurdux: man 5 group |
| 00:48.32 | jim | that's the file format spec |
| 00:48.37 | Gnurdux | jsut say it |
| 00:48.37 | afaik | well, like I said, I dont care about Sun's restrictive licensing |
| 00:48.50 | jim | I don';t know wiothogu doing that :P |
| 00:48.54 | Gnurdux | ah dnag ill read the fucking man page |
| 00:48.54 | afaik | it's not like they'll torch my house in middle of the night, despite what RMS says |
| 00:49.03 | alus | "I'm a n00b at graphics editing" that's not an excuse, it's a statement of skill level |
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| 00:49.12 | jim | I'd have to read to find out :P |
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| 00:49.33 | Gnurdux | thats useful |
| 00:49.43 | shekky | I could not get a graphical login screen when I tried to boot into debian for the first time, so I booted knoppix and copied over the XF86config file into /etc/X11 and now i get the login screen |
| 00:49.45 | afaik | directhex, did I need to do both, or one of the other? |
| 00:49.49 | Gnurdux | ill try it |
| 00:49.49 | shekky | do i need to fix anything else? |
| 00:50.02 | directhex | afaik, what do you think provides make-jpkg? |
| 00:50.09 | mwilson | http://bash.org/?466122 |
| 00:50.09 | jim | dunno.. anything else broken? |
| 00:50.13 | mwilson | So appropriate. |
| 00:50.26 | wolfdream | when running emacs, it doesn't load my .emacs init file unless I use the -u switch - any suggestions? |
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| 00:50.33 | stew | heh |
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| 00:50.54 | Gnurdux | ever since i put the perms like that pmount still doesnt work even after adding to plugdev |
| 00:51.08 | Gnurdux | so im going to mkae pmount work again |
| 00:51.23 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 00:51.29 | directhex | i havhe a place in my heart for http://bash.org/?329959 |
| 00:51.32 | Gnurdux | can i see the plugdev line |
| 00:51.39 | Gnurdux | in someones /etc/group ? |
| 00:51.51 | Gnurdux | is that forkbomb? |
| 00:52.17 | Gnurdux | oh hee |
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| 00:52.29 | war | How do I downgrade from bind-9.2.4 to bind-9.2.3 in Debian? I am using Sarge. |
| 00:52.37 | Gnurdux | you dont |
| 00:52.41 | mwilson | war: You don't. |
| 00:52.43 | Gnurdux | you remove bind-92.4 |
| 00:52.50 | Gnurdux | and install bind-9.2.3 |
| 00:52.57 | directhex | war, find the package on snapshot.debian.net, dpkg -i the .deb |
| 00:52.57 | afaik | bah....why must apache-FOP require java |
| 00:53.01 | Gnurdux | debian has no downgrade support |
| 00:53.01 | mwilson | No, you don't do that, either. |
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| 00:53.27 | afaik | heh |
| 00:53.31 | afaik | my dog is stoned :) |
| 00:53.36 | afaik | this is funny |
| 00:53.41 | war | k |
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| 00:53.54 | shekky | <stew> how do I compile the new kernel? or is apt-get do it all for me? because in my grub boot screen 2.6.8.2 did show up , so does that mean its installed? |
| 00:54.03 | Gnurdux | can is see the plugev line in someones /etc/group ? |
| 00:54.25 | Gnurdux | can i see the plugdev |
| 00:54.28 | stew | shekky: you don't need to compile it, you downloaded a precompiled kernel |
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| 00:54.51 | Gnurdux | someone ???????? |
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| 00:55.08 | wolfdream | when running emacs, it doesn't load my .emacs init file unless I use the -u switch - any suggestions? |
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| 00:55.32 | mwilson | Yes, stop spamming the channel. |
| 00:56.04 | shekky | <stew> ok, but I still cannot get the pwc drivers to work, the make file is looking for a /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build directory and its not there so it craps out saying no such file or directory |
| 00:56.06 | stew | wolfdream: is $HOME set? |
| 00:56.07 | Gnurdux | how is wolfdream spamming the channel? |
| 00:56.08 | shekky | any ideas? |
| 00:56.12 | wolfdream | mwilson: was that directed at me? |
| 00:56.17 | fbred | I am trying to install a package named dcgui-qt, but it says "dcgui-qt: Depends: libdc0 (>= 0.3.1) but it is not going to be installed". However, If I try "dpkg -l libdc0" I get "ii libdc0 0.3.7-1". Isn't that supposed to work out fine? |
| 00:56.20 | stew | shekky: you need to install the kenrel-headers then |
| 00:56.41 | shekky | stew: can I apt-get them? |
| 00:56.43 | war | bind9-9.2.4 is well documented has some nasty bugs where it takes forever to lookup a hostname b/c it looks up ipv6 first, arg |
| 00:56.47 | wolfdream | stew: (insert (getenv "HOME")) inside scratch returns the proper value |
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| 00:56.58 | afaik | why must apache-FOP require java? |
| 00:57.05 | stew | shekky: ffs i already told you to |
| 00:57.19 | war | http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi cant find the deb hm |
| 00:57.22 | stew | afaik: #apache |
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| 00:58.13 | SJr|nx | With exim how do I clear out stale message queue? |
| 00:58.19 | mwilson | war: "well-documented" meaning a few slashcrap posts without much in the way of facts? |
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| 00:58.33 | war | mwilson google it, it is well documented bug |
| 00:58.40 | mwilson | SJr|nx: Define "stale". Exim doesn't have a "stale" queue. |
| 00:58.56 | war | http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2004-696.html & https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=140528 |
| 00:59.00 | war | same applies to debian sarge/testing |
| 00:59.02 | SJr|nx | mwilson Warning: message 1Bt21N-0007x8-00 delayed 4920 hours |
| 00:59.05 | war | horrible bug need to go back 9.2.3 asap |
| 00:59.07 | shekky | stew: would you have any clue on how to get a usb webcam to work? |
| 00:59.38 | mwilson | SJr|nx: So delete the message. |
| 00:59.44 | SJr|nx | well where is? |
| 00:59.49 | stew | shekky: no. i thought you had inststructions there/ did you get the kenrel-headers? |
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| 01:00.02 | mwilson | SJr|nx: man exim |
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| 01:00.08 | shekky | stew: yes I am rebooting |
| 01:00.11 | Led_Zeppelin | is there an online site to test my server's security? like portscan and all? |
| 01:00.15 | deb-head | wow what a party |
| 01:00.26 | shekky | stew: the instructions dont say how to resolve make problems |
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| 01:00.42 | stew | shekky: what make problem are you having/ |
| 01:01.41 | shekky | I downloaded the driver.gz file , untarred it and then the instructions just say compile the module (this needs the source of your actual kernel to |
| 01:01.41 | shekky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.02 | war | mwilson cnt find 9.2.3 deb |
| 01:02.07 | stew | shekky: yeah, i gathered that much from the last 3 times you said it |
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| 01:02.17 | mwilson | war: And you think I should do it for you? |
| 01:02.37 | shekky | stew: sorry I didnt mean to be repetitive |
| 01:02.39 | war | no but it wasn't on snapshot.debian.. |
| 01:02.50 | mwilson | war: Of course it was. |
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| 01:03.17 | shingoki | Does anyone know why my /media/cdrom0 directory disappears on reboot? |
| 01:03.22 | shingoki | on sarge |
| 01:03.41 | mwilson | You have discover installed. |
| 01:03.49 | shingoki | me? |
| 01:03.53 | Rawplayer | yes |
| 01:03.54 | Rawplayer | you |
| 01:04.00 | shekky | stew:its just when I type make, it errors to saying /lib/modules/2.6.8-2 no such file or directory (again could have said it before, dont know if you read it or not so thats why I was repeating) |
| 01:04.01 | shingoki | so what's discover? |
| 01:04.18 | Rawplayer | !tell shingoki about discover |
| 01:04.23 | mwilson | Something you have installed. Read the package description. |
| 01:04.34 | shingoki | I didn't install it |
| 01:04.45 | shingoki | or not directly |
| 01:05.09 | stew | shekky: if you installed a 2.6.8-2 kernel you would most certainly have a /lib/modules/2.6.8-2 directory |
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| 01:06.18 | shingoki | is it not installed by default then? |
| 01:06.29 | shingoki | and is there a way to stop it removing my cdrom0 directory? |
| 01:06.38 | mwilson | Did you actually look and see if it was installed? |
| 01:06.41 | directhex | it is on sarge, and dpkg-reconfigure discover1 |
| 01:07.18 | shingoki | yes it is installed |
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| 01:07.38 | shingoki | I'm just pointing out it that I didn't install it, so its not my faul ;P |
| 01:07.48 | SJr|nx | Hey mwilson could you be a lil more specific :) |
| 01:07.52 | mwilson | Someone tried to assign fault? |
| 01:07.54 | shingoki | you got up on the wrong side of the bed today, mwilson? |
| 01:08.03 | shingoki | thanks directhex |
| 01:08.11 | jetscreamer | no, how do i do that? |
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| 01:08.36 | debhead | wow this is cool |
| 01:08.50 | debhead | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:09.02 | ShempOU | the whole server is devoted to debian hehe |
| 01:09.08 | alus | hey look a person devoted to debian |
| 01:09.15 | Phated | No, it isn't. |
| 01:09.17 | vordul | Hey look, a dinosaur! |
| 01:09.18 | nvz | shingoki: he sleeps on a bed of nails, and there is fire on both sides, so I dont think there is a wrong side |
| 01:09.25 | ShempOU | hiya peep can somebody help with hardware |
| 01:09.33 | shingoki | directhex, if I disable the automatic management of cdroms, does that just mean if I add a new one, it won't handle it for me? |
| 01:09.41 | mwilson | nvz: I sleep on a couch. |
| 01:09.48 | nvz | mwilson: me too |
| 01:09.49 | shingoki | directhex, if so, I'll just disable it if I have any more trouble. |
| 01:09.52 | debhead | I have a shirt, I script , therefore I am |
| 01:09.54 | jetscreamer | !factinfo mwilson |
| 01:09.54 | dpkg | mwilson -- created by mwilson <mwilson@ip68-111-188-90.sd.sd.cox.net> at Mon Jul 28 17:28:16 2003 (580 days); it has been requested 100 times, last by jetscreamer, 1m 13s ago; it has been locked by mwilson. |
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| 01:10.09 | ShempOU | do u guys have any idea if Intel 2200BG wireless that part of Centrino junk, if any distro supports it |
| 01:10.15 | debhead | the old man was right |
| 01:10.23 | ShempOU | last time i checked they were still workin on da drivers |
| 01:11.32 | shingoki | Ok this question is probably trickier - is it inevitable that existing USB devices will be shuffled around when a new one appears? When I connect a usb storage device, I lose the mouse and wacom tablet devices that were working previously |
| 01:11.44 | mwilson | No, it's not inevitable. |
| 01:11.58 | mwilson | It shouldn't happen at all. |
| 01:11.59 | shingoki | Although it might just be something to do with the usb failing in some other way, since I can't access the camera either |
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| 01:12.17 | shingoki | but the camera will work if it is plugged in with only the mouse |
| 01:12.21 | shingoki | it's weird |
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| 01:12.55 | shingoki | if I move any devices around, I get different mouse/event numbers for the mouse and tablet though, and I can't find any way to fix them |
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| 01:14.13 | mwilson | Uh, this IS why /dev/input/mice exists. |
| 01:14.25 | ansong | is there a way to select another wm for gnome? i'm running testing and would like to try enlightenment |
| 01:14.44 | mwilson | E isn't particularly EWMH-compliant. |
| 01:15.06 | simonrvn | i'd use openbox3 or sawfish, if anything |
| 01:15.19 | shingoki | mwilson, unfortunately the wacom tablet gets included in mice, and this breaks everything |
| 01:15.30 | shingoki | mwilson, I believe there is a patch for it, but not one I want to mess about with |
| 01:15.36 | shingoki | mwilson, maybe it will get fixed :) |
| 01:16.26 | ansong | ok, thats great, and i appreciate it but i'm still unaware of _how_to choose another wm. openbox is also on my list to try. |
| 01:16.55 | shingoki | mwilson, also, it wouldnt be that much better since the tablet would still move around, so I would just have one less thing to change in X config |
| 01:17.10 | schuler | mwilson: I handled the dpkg errors by handish remove of the package files from /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 01:17.32 | schuler | now all is fine |
| 01:17.56 | mwilson | schuler: And the ACTUAL package files? |
| 01:18.08 | shingoki | mwilson, I know this is for redhat but its the same problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/beta/show_bug.cgi?id=133643 |
| 01:18.18 | ansong | googling this issue seems to bring up either people who are going way over my head, or people who have 'used slackware for years' but what's this X thingie, is it my wm? |
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| 01:18.54 | debhead | bugzilla, sounds like a giant cockroach |
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| 01:19.20 | schuler | the packages couldn't be installed or removed because of the errors in the dpkg scripts |
| 01:19.26 | stew | ansong: i believe you would select that in the gnome-control-center, iirc, you might wanna ask in #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:19.45 | simonrvn | ansong: there's a factoid in dpkg on how. here's a short version: edit sessions, remove current wm; kill current wm; run other wm; save session on exit |
| 01:19.46 | ansong | stew, thanks |
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| 01:20.04 | shingoki | mwilson, ah never mind, apparently I can do it with /etc/udev/rules.d |
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| 01:20.30 | Russo017 | how can i stop xserver from running? I'm trying to install the nvidia driver. i set the runlevel to 3 as default in /etc/inittab. |
| 01:20.34 | holycow | hey guys |
| 01:20.36 | holycow | what happens when you try to kill a pid but it refuses to die? |
| 01:20.36 | mwilson | shingoki: If you're unlucky enough to be using udev. |
| 01:20.44 | mwilson | Russo017: What was that supposed to do? |
| 01:20.47 | cafuego | wheee |
| 01:20.49 | directhex | Russo017, that was clever of you. but debian doesn't sue runlevels like that |
| 01:20.54 | simonrvn | Russo017: debian doesn't use crap hacks like that |
| 01:20.55 | shingoki | mwilson, I dunno, I have that directory |
| 01:20.57 | Russo017 | wait |
| 01:20.58 | Russo017 | wut |
| 01:21.03 | Russo017 | im a n00b |
| 01:21.04 | shingoki | mwilson, is it broken then? |
| 01:21.06 | Russo017 | plz explain |
| 01:21.11 | directhex | Russo017, /etc/init.d/*dm stop, where * is the correct dm you use (probably xdm or kdm) |
| 01:21.11 | holycow | i'm just curious how a process can pre-empt a root kill command? is there some way to force a process to die? |
| 01:21.14 | Russo017 | i need to kill xserver |
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| 01:21.32 | directhex | Russo017, also, using nvidia-installer will fuck your pc big-up style |
| 01:21.46 | Russo017 | really |
| 01:21.53 | Russo017 | thanks for the warning |
| 01:22.01 | Russo017 | i just got it today |
| 01:22.05 | shingoki | Russo017, there is a really helpful dpkg thing which someone will know |
| 01:22.06 | Russo017 | i mean running |
| 01:22.06 | holycow | Russo017, yeah use the debian way installation for nvidia |
| 01:22.09 | holycow | its really simple |
| 01:22.12 | shingoki | the one line one |
| 01:22.17 | directhex | !tell Russo017 about non-free sources |
| 01:22.21 | Russo017 | i did |
| 01:22.24 | Russo017 | i did that |
| 01:22.26 | directhex | !tell Russo017 about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 01:22.28 | Russo017 | wait |
| 01:22.31 | Russo017 | know i got it |
| 01:22.34 | directhex | !tell Russo017 about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:22.35 | Russo017 | i did it that way |
| 01:22.37 | shingoki | thats the one |
| 01:22.42 | Russo017 | GODDAMN IT |
| 01:22.43 | Russo017 | lol |
| 01:22.47 | shingoki | Russo017, it should work fine then, you dont need to kill x |
| 01:22.48 | Russo017 | i did it that way |
| 01:22.50 | Russo017 | already |
| 01:22.57 | shingoki | just do the reconfigure thing, and then reboot |
| 01:23.00 | Russo017 | id does except i have extended desktop |
| 01:23.00 | holycow | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
| 01:23.05 | Russo017 | and i dont know how to get into it |
| 01:23.10 | shingoki | extended desktop? |
| 01:23.10 | Russo017 | i mean |
| 01:23.16 | holycow | Russo017, dual monitor or more? |
| 01:23.16 | Russo017 | i know theres an nv console |
| 01:23.18 | Russo017 | somewhere |
| 01:23.19 | Russo017 | yea |
| 01:23.21 | Russo017 | dual |
| 01:23.26 | holycow | why not make it work on single first |
| 01:23.28 | holycow | when you are done3 |
| 01:23.32 | Russo017 | im booting my comp |
| 01:23.33 | holycow | i will give you my config file |
| 01:23.35 | Russo017 | it does |
| 01:23.36 | mwilson | shingoki: Why would he need to reboot? |
| 01:23.37 | holycow | for dual |
| 01:23.43 | directhex | !tell Russo017 about enter |
| 01:23.48 | Russo017 | I GOT 1 MONITRO WORKING perfect |
| 01:23.56 | shingoki | mwilson, because its easier? and there is something that breaks on reboot if you dont do it right, so you might as well know |
| 01:23.58 | holycow | fine, ill dcc my x11 config file |
| 01:24.00 | Russo017 | i have kde fine and gnome |
| 01:24.01 | holycow | now shutup for a second |
| 01:24.09 | jetscreamer | holycow, post it on a website |
| 01:24.17 | holycow | okay |
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| 01:24.32 | Russo017 | wait how do i get into nvidia console |
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| 01:24.36 | shingoki | mwilson, the stupid bug that led to nvidia modules being taken out of testing, the nvidia module thing |
| 01:24.42 | holycow | Russo017, shutup |
| 01:24.53 | directhex | Russo017, what the fucking fuck is a non-existant 'nvidia console'? |
| 01:25.09 | Russo017 | holycow, theres an actual nvidia xserver gui |
| 01:25.17 | jetscreamer | Russo017, not the same thing |
| 01:25.22 | jetscreamer | don't mess with it |
| 01:25.22 | holycow | Russo017, just shutup |
| 01:25.23 | directhex | Russo017, be sure to tell nvidia about it if you discover it |
| 01:25.24 | holycow | seriously |
| 01:25.33 | holycow | http://pastebin.com/247193 |
| 01:25.38 | jetscreamer | i know what he means, and he's right... but it's not what you want |
| 01:25.41 | holycow | config your x11 file appropriately |
| 01:25.46 | holycow | and you are done |
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| 01:26.09 | jetscreamer | iirc it's a monolithic xfree or something |
| 01:26.24 | holycow | just use the nvidia twinview for dual head stuff |
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| 01:26.49 | jetscreamer | yeah i have a config that functions for nvidia twinview if holycow's doesn't do it for you |
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| 01:27.07 | holycow | what jetscreamer said |
| 01:27.21 | trapd0r | in sarge can you re-run the menu that asks what you want to install? when you first boot after the cd |
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| 01:27.37 | jetscreamer | trapd0r, base-config iirc or tasksel i think is what you mean |
| 01:27.43 | jetscreamer | tasksel |
| 01:27.50 | Gnurdux | i fixed the perms on pmount |
| 01:27.57 | jetscreamer | +s? |
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| 01:28.05 | Gnurdux | whatever i fixd em |
| 01:28.22 | jetscreamer | !fix |
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| 01:28.29 | jetscreamer | !fix x |
| 01:28.29 | Gnurdux | but why doesnt debian use somehting with fstab |
| 01:28.34 | debhead | I have a problem with synaptic, the buttons in the toolbar are missing |
| 01:28.43 | Gnurdux | why use synaptic |
| 01:28.43 | jetscreamer | debhead, it's fixed in sid |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:28.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:28.51 | jetscreamer | just wait for it |
| 01:28.55 | Gnurdux | apt-get is one of the easiest tools to use |
| 01:29.08 | trapd0r | jetscreamer yes thanks |
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| 01:29.17 | debhead | can the sid source be compiled for sarge |
| 01:29.30 | jetscreamer | you can just get the .deb from pdo if you want |
| 01:29.39 | jetscreamer | and dpkg -i it |
| 01:29.42 | jim | debhead: most times |
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| 01:29.45 | Gnurdux | why doesnt the default HAL implementation use /etc/fstab |
| 01:29.49 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 01:30.02 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 01:30.02 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 01:30.09 | debhead | is it better to use the source package in this case? |
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| 01:30.24 | Gnurdux | because otherwise how can other users unmount |
| 01:30.41 | jetscreamer | maybe, and it's all up to you when you decide to mess with the packaging system.. which is what this would be... |
| 01:30.44 | Gnurdux | i clicked on unmount and it gave an error about not being in fstab |
| 01:30.47 | jim | maybe, because there are possibly differences in libs and depends |
| 01:31.05 | jetscreamer | Gnurdux, you mean like users vs user? |
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| 01:31.18 | Gnurdux | and i know fedora 3 adds tro fstab |
| 01:31.20 | Gnurdux | i dunno |
| 01:31.26 | holycow | oh killall -9 <name> |
| 01:31.28 | holycow | okay got it |
| 01:31.38 | jim | that's right. it's hard to help if you do things like that |
| 01:31.55 | Gnurdux | but at a friends house with fedora 3 i catted the fstab and found a usbdisk |
| 01:32.15 | jetscreamer | fedora is over that way |
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| 01:32.28 | bob2 | Gnurdux: it uses pmount |
| 01:32.33 | jim | fedora? down the hall and to the right... no, your OTHER right... that's the girls bathroom! |
| 01:32.41 | bob2 | Gnurdux: the fedora way of rewriting /etc/fstab is hacky |
| 01:32.42 | Gnurdux | umount: /dev/sda1 is not in the fstab (and you are not root) |
| 01:32.52 | Gnurdux | fedora sux |
| 01:32.55 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 01:32.56 | bob2 | Gnurdux: pumount |
| 01:32.59 | debhead | now I am confused |
| 01:33.06 | Gnurdux | what does ubuntu use? |
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| 01:33.14 | shekky | exit |
| 01:33.15 | shingoki | Gnurdux, you can add it to fstab yourself, I have and it works fine |
| 01:33.18 | jetscreamer | !confuse debhead |
| 01:33.18 | dpkg | Yes, what was my gouda today, debhead? pants of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 01:33.24 | jetscreamer | now you are confused |
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| 01:33.26 | Gnurdux | i heard ubuntu has good management of things like that |
| 01:33.27 | bob2 | Gnurdux: pmount/pumount |
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| 01:33.33 | Gnurdux | abd its debian based |
| 01:33.34 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 01:33.35 | jim | Gnurdux: no, that's normal... you can't mount/unmount as plain user, and there's a reason for that... |
| 01:33.36 | bob2 | Gnurdux: the same as debian. martin pitt wrote it. |
| 01:33.38 | jetscreamer | pee-yuu |
| 01:33.49 | shingoki | Gnurdux, ubuntu didn't find my removable drives either |
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| 01:34.17 | Gnurdux | wait i think i messed up with pmounjt |
| 01:34.20 | shingoki | Gnurdux, in fact so far (I hate to say it) the only thing I've found ubuntu really adds to debian is a slightly easier install, and an inability to install real packages |
| 01:34.23 | trapd0r | what /dev/ thingy would a usb mouse be using? |
| 01:34.29 | jim | what if you give your friend an acct? he can unmount a vol for you while you're using it... |
| 01:34.30 | jetscreamer | and xorg |
| 01:34.36 | Gnurdux | no i didnt |
| 01:34.40 | Gnurdux | i jsut need to relogin |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | shingoki: afaik .. it's the same install |
| 01:34.47 | shingoki | /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouseX for some value of X from 0 upwards |
| 01:35.04 | mwilson | xfe isn't bad |
| 01:35.06 | shingoki | abrotman, it is slightly different, don't know why, and it goes straight to a gnome install without asking |
| 01:35.19 | trapd0r | thanks again |
| 01:35.19 | shingoki | abrotman, and doesn't ask you about Exim |
| 01:35.23 | jetscreamer | we were promoting xfe earlier today, i've been using it for months |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | shingoki: oh .. it's just a task .. it assumes workstation setup |
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| 01:35.36 | EvanCarroll | jim:is the volume mounted as root? |
| 01:35.37 | jetscreamer | only thing about it is when doing permissions in left pane it borks |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it was all my idea! |
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| 01:35.43 | Xenguy | mwilson: I'm liking it enough to use it for awhile (was using emelfm most of the time before) |
| 01:35.46 | Gnurdux | yay it worked |
| 01:35.47 | Gnurdux | bye |
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| 01:35.54 | jetscreamer | and doing subdirs borks also |
| 01:35.57 | shingoki | abrotman, yup something like that, but debian gave me gnome and kde straight away, which was nice, whereas ubuntu doesnt ask, and gives you gnome |
| 01:36.00 | ixi | Sorry for offtopic - I just don't know where can I find some help with nick registration. I probably somehow mistyped my password when registering few minutes ago so that I can't identify myself and recover/change password. What can I do now? |
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| 01:36.10 | shingoki | abrotman, but it is really similar |
| 01:36.27 | EvanCarroll | ixi- /msg nickserv help |
| 01:36.27 | jetscreamer | OH and if you rename a file, but all you do is make it lower case, it borks and deletes the file |
| 01:36.38 | debhead | so how do I get the sid package into sarge? |
| 01:36.42 | ixi | EvanCarroll: there is no option for recovering nick |
| 01:36.56 | jetscreamer | debhead go to pdo and download it, check for dependencies, and dpkg -i |
| 01:37.11 | bob2 | ixi: have you read the FAQ? |
| 01:37.11 | jetscreamer | d/l it/them |
| 01:37.14 | EvanCarroll | ixi if you just registed a nick under the wrong password, thent here is nothing you can do but wait 2weeks |
| 01:37.30 | shingoki | ixi, make a mental note to be REALLY careful typing? or try to find the message you sent on a window or log? |
| 01:37.32 | jetscreamer | debhead, it's just a frickin icon, wait and until it's fixed use the menu |
| 01:37.39 | jetscreamer | and/or rightclick |
| 01:37.50 | debhead | the menu does not work either |
| 01:37.50 | shingoki | ixi, might be somewhere in your irc client? |
| 01:38.02 | jetscreamer | huh ok |
| 01:38.14 | jetscreamer | you could try aptitude or something |
| 01:38.20 | ixi | EvanCarroll: then this seems to be the only way now :( |
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| 01:38.30 | shingoki | debhead, you can fix the synaptic thing using glade |
| 01:38.39 | debhead | The old man keeps telling me to use the command line |
| 01:38.48 | michal_ | hmm.. i'm having problems setting up a shared home directory with a shared .ssh/known_hosts ... any idea what could be causing the problem? the file is readable to all those that need to read it |
| 01:38.50 | debhead | glade |
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| 01:38.58 | debhead | was is das |
| 01:39.00 | Bizarro_paco | hello |
| 01:39.22 | ixi | bob2: if you would provide a link to it - I promise to read it! |
| 01:39.55 | shingoki | debhead, it is on google somewhere, but I can't find it ;) look for the bug report on that issue, it has a fix. Basically you open and close a GUI definition file and it fixes it |
| 01:40.02 | shingoki | debhead, it is irritating though |
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| 01:40.24 | shingoki | debhead, the menus do work, they do everything the icons do |
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| 01:40.35 | ixi | shingoki: no, its lost - I ended that session... |
| 01:40.48 | shingoki | ixi, :( |
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| 01:41.22 | bob2 | ixi: I guess ask in #freenode |
| 01:41.32 | bob2 | but you'll need to demonstrate somehow that it was you who registered it |
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| 01:42.43 | daft_ | is there a way to login directly to "screen" on a remote pc? |
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| 01:43.25 | ixi | daft_: ssh there and run "screen" to attach a screen? |
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| 01:45.29 | percivaljr | please someone can help me with the sound of my sarge? |
| 01:45.52 | ixi | daft_: but you should first run app in a named screen: "screen -m -d -S myscreenname /usr/bin/myapp" |
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| 01:46.09 | holycow | haha |
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| 01:46.14 | holycow | you guys gotta play neverball |
| 01:46.19 | daft_ | ixi that was not the question |
| 01:46.23 | holycow | that needs to be renamed to nevercrack i think |
| 01:46.35 | ixi | daft_: ? |
| 01:46.35 | shingoki | or Monkey Ball |
| 01:46.46 | gradzac | daft_: what is the OS on the remote machine? |
| 01:47.19 | daft_ | nm |
| 01:47.21 | ixi | gradzac: oops. Good begining :) |
| 01:47.29 | debhead | is there a package that allows read write access to ntfs partitions? |
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| 01:47.37 | calin | In a bash script what is the args set as for variables $1 $2 $3? |
| 01:47.46 | maher | debhead: no |
| 01:47.47 | jim | percivaljr: the sound of your sarge should be "whrrrrr click click whrrrrr BEEP" |
| 01:48.00 | soren | hi where can I see which modules are loaded? /etc/modules does not seem to show them all??? My debian system hangs when booting but if I do an ctrl + c while the boot is doing "calculating modules depe...." i can stop the system and boot the system ( thoguht without some modules - but how do I disable the faulty modules? |
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| 01:48.49 | debhead | I have a bunch of media files on my old win2k partition I want to pull off before I blow out that partition |
| 01:48.50 | soren | modconf only seems to show the running modules |
| 01:48.55 | jim | calin: try it. put "echo $1$2 $3" in a script |
| 01:49.03 | maher | debhead: you can do read only |
| 01:49.09 | debhead | and no server to send them to |
| 01:49.21 | debhead | I could live with that |
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| 01:49.26 | trapd0r | i selected sql to install when i first booted can i remove that? |
| 01:49.34 | trapd0r | i don't want postgres i thought it would be mysql |
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| 01:50.00 | gradzac | soren: lsmod |
| 01:50.01 | jim | trapd0r: mysql is horrible in terms of its multiuser noncapability |
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| 01:50.12 | maher | debhead: try mounting the partition |
| 01:50.13 | hogballs | hello |
| 01:50.17 | jim | learn postgres... be happy... |
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| 01:50.30 | trapd0r | lol alright then =) |
| 01:50.41 | soren | gradzac, yes that shows the loaded modules but how to i prevent the faulty ones from booting? |
| 01:50.43 | hogballs | i installed debian sarge on another computer and it didnt like my x settings in the initial initalization setup |
| 01:50.44 | jim | what are you doing with it/ |
| 01:50.46 | jim | ? |
| 01:50.51 | debhead | it won't mount, even as root |
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| 01:50.55 | hogballs | how do i reset up my xfree86 config |
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| 01:51.01 | maher | debhead: what error |
| 01:51.07 | nvz | my cousin's stepdad has a comic book collection, he would like to well I guess organize some kind of database for them.. anyone have any suggestions on a simple database like app that categorizes books or such |
| 01:51.08 | hogballs | can i restart a wizard ? |
| 01:51.10 | trapd0r | just gonna learn some website stuff |
| 01:51.24 | gradzac | either take them out of /etc/modules or read the manpages on hotplug and disable them |
| 01:51.29 | debhead | let me check |
| 01:51.29 | maher | hogballs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:51.50 | jim | trapd0r: postgres is perfect for that... it's way wayy ahead of mysql |
| 01:52.02 | soren | as mentioned the modules does not show op in etc/modules |
| 01:52.08 | soren | will read more about hotplug |
| 01:52.12 | lone_marauder | Synaptic crashes - new sarge install, trying to use synaptic to install packages. If I choose a package without dependencies, everything works fine. If I choose something with dependencies, I get a window asking if I want to mark the dependencies for installation. If I choose mark or cancel here, Synaptic crashes silently without a trace - no error, no log entries, nothing. I don't see anything if I start it from a term. |
| 01:52.24 | trapd0r | jim oh ok, then thats what i want, thanks =) |
| 01:52.40 | nvz | I am not sure what to even search for, as I dont know what you would want in such a thing |
| 01:52.47 | bob2 | win170 |
| 01:53.09 | Ether_Man_ | Anyone happen to know of any utils that is able to scan the isa bus for hardware that isnt pnp? I have a soundcard in my laptop but I have no idea at all what it is.. a very old laptop btw so yes it is actually an isa card.. That much Ive figured out by searching but I cannot find anything more than it is an ess card :/ |
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| 01:53.29 | ixi | trapd0r: mysql is almost perfect thing for web in most cases. But if you planning to use real RDBMS - then you probably want postgres. imho. |
| 01:53.49 | mwilson | Ether_Man_: The age of it has nothing to do with whether or not it's an ISA card or not. |
| 01:53.52 | hogballs | thank you maher |
| 01:53.56 | xarg | is there a doc on configurnig a transparent firewall? |
| 01:53.58 | blue_ | can someone help me out, most of the time trying to connect to something on the internet it times out, downloads are find at over 500 kbs but its just resolving sites, in ff, thunderbird, even apt-gets do this. Sometimes it connects instant though, anyone heard of something like this? |
| 01:54.17 | jim | you could try learning stuff from http://philip.greenspun.com/seia/ |
| 01:54.28 | Ether_Man_ | mwilson: perhaps not.. I added it so as to not get answers like lspci |
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| 01:55.38 | trapd0r | cool |
| 01:55.48 | blue_ | it took about 5 tries to connect to freenode |
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| 01:56.00 | abrotman | lame dns server it sounds like |
| 01:56.14 | blue_ | how do i fix that? |
| 01:56.26 | blue_ | i have rr cable |
| 01:56.28 | xarg | how about a traffic shaping bridge? |
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| 01:56.48 | debhead | I can't even open it in fdisk to see the partition table |
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| 01:57.08 | abrotman | blue_: turn your cable modem and router off/on |
| 01:57.23 | abrotman | see if it helps |
| 01:57.30 | blue_ | ah shoot, that will change my ip huh |
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| 01:57.53 | abrotman | blue_: i have no idea .. most likely not ... |
| 01:57.55 | debhead | oh, by the way, how do you add non us entries to your sources.list file? |
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| 01:58.04 | abrotman | !nonus |
| 01:58.04 | dpkg | i guess non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, ... |
| 01:58.19 | blue_ | alright, here goes, thanks abrotman, appriciate the help |
| 01:58.56 | satHan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | it's just a guess now .. may not fix it |
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| 01:59.44 | lone_marauder | xarg - traffic shaping bridge? I've never tried that, but check out lartc.org. Very good traffic management info for Linux. |
| 02:00.14 | mwilson | satHan: Define what you mean by "screen". |
| 02:00.23 | travisat | so who comes after you if you use non-us packages in the us |
| 02:00.40 | debhead | what about restricted? |
| 02:00.41 | satHan | mwilson: I have multiple monitors. the shortcuts work on 0.0, but not on 0.1 or 0.2 |
| 02:00.43 | cafuego | travisat: Nobody. |
| 02:00.47 | mwilson | travisat: No one, since that's not the purpose of non-us. |
| 02:00.53 | cafuego | travisat: You can *use* them, you can't *export* them. |
| 02:00.59 | satHan | mwilson: so the screens are subsections of the same kde session and display |
| 02:01.05 | mwilson | travisat: Perhaps if you actually bothered to learn what non-us WAS. |
| 02:01.20 | travisat | perhaps |
| 02:01.26 | mwilson | satHan: Oh, KDE. No doubt it's a KDE stupidity. |
| 02:01.45 | satHan | mwilson: Yeah :-) but they don't have a clue over in #kde either |
| 02:01.47 | mwilson | satHan: Until recently, KDE was clueless about such basic X technologies as multi-head. |
| 02:02.13 | satHan | mwilson: the support in 3.2 is there enough to not be annoying, but just barely |
| 02:02.14 | cafuego | travisat: So the idea is that non-us stuff is hosted outside of the US, so it's not exported FROm the us to elsewhere. |
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| 02:03.32 | jetscreamer | hey how do i edit my config and apply the changes w/o having to restart x :) |
| 02:03.52 | jetscreamer | and where is what i edit to jack with the debconf part of grub |
| 02:04.16 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: grub is configured in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 02:04.40 | jetscreamer | EvanCarroll, that's not exactly what i asked... the debconf portion of menu.lst |
| 02:04.48 | jetscreamer | where is what i edit to jack with that |
| 02:04.55 | jcook | anyone using the ndiswrapper kernel driver? |
| 02:05.04 | setnf | when i tried install somes xfce4's themes just change icons from my taskbar... nothing was changes like backgrounds... windows .. etc... why ? |
| 02:05.10 | mwilson | jcook: No doubt someone is. |
| 02:05.14 | EvanCarroll | .. im either not understanding what your asking or have a failed idea of how grub works, |
| 02:05.24 | gradzac | jcook: yes |
| 02:05.38 | jcook | gradzac: for a wireless device? |
| 02:05.52 | gradzac | jcook: yup |
| 02:06.00 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: *all* that needs configuring is in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:06.08 | jetscreamer | EvanCarroll, at the bottom of menu.lst there is a debconf portion, that is only edited by debconf.. and is changed on every update-grub back to some default.. where is that default. |
| 02:06.16 | mwilson | And eventually he'll get around to asking the actual question, rather than just taking a poll. |
| 02:06.34 | setnf | when i tried install somes xfce4's themes just change icons from my taskbar... nothing was changes like backgrounds... windows .. etc... why ? |
| 02:06.40 | jcook | gradzac: I suppose you set it's settings statically? |
| 02:06.40 | jetscreamer | i can paste the file somewhere so you can see what i mean.. one sec |
| 02:07.00 | gradzac | jcook: I set them in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:08.22 | jcook | gradzac: ive been looking for an app to configure it ala doze style ... I dont think any exist ... I tried wpa_supplicant except it cant seem to the most basic task |
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| 02:08.39 | jcook | gradzac: im thinking im gonna have to resort to a lame arse shell script |
| 02:08.55 | jetscreamer | http://hfds.com/debian_files/menu.lst.txt EvanCarroll , at the bottom, under ## ## End Default Options ## |
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| 02:09.19 | gradzac | jcook: if you are running debian and you have ndiswrapper set up correctly you can use the interfaces file for all the settings....no scripts necessary |
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| 02:09.35 | jcook | gradzac: roaming dude ... roaming |
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| 02:09.46 | chupie | where is the defualt location for the samba config file? |
| 02:09.48 | gradzac | so set it for DHCP |
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| 02:09.56 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.04 | chupie | k, i'll try there |
| 02:10.07 | jcook | gradzac: how does that allow an app to say "new network ... what's the key?" |
| 02:10.13 | chupie | yeap |
| 02:10.13 | chupie | thx |
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| 02:11.18 | jetscreamer | ok then, how do i tell debconf not to fuck with grub then :) |
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| 02:12.02 | gradzac | jcook: dunno, I never tried that. You would have to use something like RADIUS, maybe? |
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| 02:12.16 | jcook | gradzac: it is on dhcp ... I have ifplugd working fine (1)... just need an app to manage the wireless part of it ... note (1) ... dhcp cant get do it's thing at the same time, and dhcping on 2 devices breaks the routing tables |
| 02:12.23 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: update-grub script as it says in the file? |
| 02:12.33 | chupie | oh, how do i also start a vnc server from the konsole? |
| 02:13.02 | gradzac | jcook: thats new territory for me...good luck |
| 02:13.03 | jetscreamer | EvanCarroll, update-grub replaces the debconf portion at the bottom, if i edit it, take it out, whatever... it reverts to what you see every update-grub |
| 02:13.05 | jcook | gradzac: like i said ... i tried wpa_supplicant ... it would see the "network" but refused to know how to set the essid and encryption |
| 02:13.36 | jcook | gradzac: :-) |
| 02:13.39 | jetscreamer | debconf is managing the file |
| 02:13.44 | jetscreamer | i want it to stop |
| 02:14.00 | jetscreamer | or i want to know where debconf keeps that information |
| 02:14.11 | jcook | gradzac: bg |
| 02:14.16 | jcook | woops |
| 02:14.17 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: hrm i would remove update-grub then |
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| 02:14.45 | jetscreamer | but isn't that like running lilo? you need it? (i'm migrating) |
| 02:14.48 | travisat | jetscreamer: I thought that when you edit it manually debconf stops managing it |
| 02:14.49 | directhex | jetscreamer, /etc/kernel-img.conf i think |
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| 02:14.51 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: what happens if you set # alternative=false, then delete everything else and run update-grub |
| 02:15.10 | directhex | jetscreamer, set the post hook to /bin/false |
| 02:15.21 | travisat | it changes the md5 sum that debconf looks for...I thought |
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| 02:15.32 | jetscreamer | travisat, afaict no it doesn't.. that's xf86config-4 |
| 02:15.43 | jetscreamer | directhex, will check |
| 02:15.59 | travisat | I thought it also did that for menu.lst |
| 02:16.02 | jetscreamer | EvanCarroll, i guess you mean in menu.lst.. will try. |
| 02:16.11 | jetscreamer | directhex, i have no idea what you mean :( |
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| 02:16.29 | chupie | how do i start the vnc server from the shell? |
| 02:16.43 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.44 | directhex | jetscreamer, never mind then. cba explaining. bedtime. |
| 02:16.51 | jetscreamer | k cheers |
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| 02:17.31 | EvanCarroll | jetscreamer: yar, in menu.lst |
| 02:17.42 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 02:18.37 | travisat | jetscreamer: why do you update grub so often that this is an issue? |
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| 02:19.07 | travisat | a kernel a day keeps worms away????? |
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| 02:19.15 | EvanCarroll | haha |
| 02:19.20 | jetscreamer | travisat, because adding the windows one puts it at the top and default, or i have duplicate entries if i uncomment the ones above the windows one |
| 02:19.20 | EvanCarroll | v.nice |
| 02:19.22 | apt-get | Is there any debian helper in the house that can help me |
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| 02:19.59 | apt-get | Debians working great I configured the x server color drivers erevrything... |
| 02:20.01 | jetscreamer | and windows as default is a nono, even though it's advanced server |
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| 02:20.11 | apt-get | everything but the damn cd burner |
| 02:20.39 | travisat | debian normally puts windows at bottom, at least it does on my boxen |
| 02:20.41 | cg0def | I can't get alsa to work on my laptop |
| 02:20.56 | cg0def | it says that there is no pipe for the alsa deamon |
| 02:20.56 | travisat | cg0def: more info needed |
| 02:21.00 | cg0def | what could be wrong? |
| 02:21.15 | EvanCarroll | !ask |
| 02:21.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 02:21.17 | inc|freaky | i hate html & css |
| 02:21.21 | inc|freaky | i will never make a website |
| 02:21.29 | travisat | inc|freaky: I like them....I hate java |
| 02:21.41 | inc|freaky | i luv debian :D |
| 02:21.41 | gradzac | inc|freaky: I agree with you 100% |
| 02:21.45 | travisat | inc|freaky: they go great with php |
| 02:21.47 | inc|freaky | gradzac: :) |
| 02:21.49 | jcook | I hate wpa_supplicant |
| 02:21.56 | cg0def | travisat: this is the exact error Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture' |
| 02:22.01 | apt-get | Hello I have been trying to get the CD burner to work on debian sarge for 6 days now and it's not working any sugestions |
| 02:22.14 | inc|freaky | travisat: i dont know php but tcl and i wanted to make a website using apache rivet but nevermind ... i just dont understand this css and html stuff ... |
| 02:22.27 | EvanCarroll | lets not bring up php lest perl vs php discussions |
| 02:22.28 | apt-get | Can I burn the ISO via command line |
| 02:22.37 | travisat | cg0def: I dunno sounds like alsa is having a nicotine fit |
| 02:22.57 | cg0def | travisat: yeah tell me about it |
| 02:22.58 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: cdrecord, and if you're using a 2.4 series kernel you need to activate ide-scsi for the drive |
| 02:23.12 | apt-get | ide---? |
| 02:23.15 | gradzac | inc|freaky: I have been having a lot of fun with jsp and servlets lately |
| 02:23.28 | apt-get | I havea felling that it might have something to do with the kernel |
| 02:23.50 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: kernel 2.4 requires that IDE-API CD burners run under SCSI emulation |
| 02:23.52 | apt-get | I know it dose cause I tried everything |
| 02:23.54 | travisat | inc|freaky: cgi/perl is even better. |
| 02:24.09 | apt-get | How do I get that ide gizmo |
| 02:24.15 | inc|freaky | i think you have to know html for everything regarding the creation of a website (sry 4 my bad english lol) |
| 02:24.37 | apt-get | apt-get IDE? |
| 02:24.38 | travisat | inc|freaky: correct, you need to know html first, then learn html, then php or cgi |
| 02:24.41 | jetscreamer | gah... now it only puts one back :) |
| 02:24.47 | travisat | inc|freaky: correct, you need to know html first, then learn css, then php or cgi |
| 02:24.50 | inc|freaky | i know html but i dont understand css |
| 02:25.15 | EvanCarroll | apt-get: ...no you will have to mount the iso first, then burn it |
| 02:25.21 | travisat | inc|freaky: there are several good tutorials on the web, google for them |
| 02:25.24 | inc|freaky | i cant even get the vertical-align middle to work |
| 02:25.38 | apt-get | everytime I go to burn the disk nothing happens |
| 02:25.42 | inc|freaky | i allready tried a tutorial i dont want to make a website anymore im just pissed off lol |
| 02:25.45 | apt-get | Mount? |
| 02:25.56 | lone_marauder | inc|freaky, what don't you get about css? |
| 02:25.57 | apt-get | should I just go back to useing Ubuntu |
| 02:26.00 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: you must use append in lilo or add to the kernel command line in grub the command hd?=ide-scsi (where ? is the letter of your IDE cd buurner) |
| 02:26.02 | travisat | inc|freaky: well download megahal, and play with him for a while |
| 02:26.07 | apt-get | I have had any problems with Ubuntu |
| 02:26.17 | Bizarro_paco | i am having trouble installing ndiswrapper; i am following everything the wiki says to do on the debianinstaller page for sarge..i just cant seem to get my green lights going |
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| 02:26.34 | apt-get | wow all this justt o burna cd |
| 02:26.34 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: what card do you need ndiswrapper for |
| 02:26.36 | inc|freaky | lone_marauder: anything lol ... just nothing works as i want it to work ... |
| 02:26.39 | jetscreamer | but thanks for the clews EvanCarroll |
| 02:26.40 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: well, if you use the 2.6 kernel, like Ubuntu uses, you won't have this problem because 2.6 has broken and doesn't require scsi emulation |
| 02:26.42 | lone_marauder | inc|freaky, getting specific things to work with specific browsers is tricky. What doctype are you declaring for your page? |
| 02:26.45 | apt-get | I have no idea how to go about doing that |
| 02:26.46 | inc|freaky | travisat: thats a good idea :D |
| 02:26.48 | jetscreamer | i'm on the right track |
| 02:27.01 | lone_marauder | (not that I am an HTML badass, but I have played with css) |
| 02:27.02 | inc|freaky | i declared none but i wanted to use strict |
| 02:27.13 | inc|freaky | i dont even udnerstand why i should use xhtml |
| 02:27.16 | apt-get | wish there wasa way tro upgrade the kernel through the command line |
| 02:27.18 | jetscreamer | then don't |
| 02:27.26 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, i use thr wpc54g linksys wireless card |
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| 02:27.33 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kernel-image && apt-get install one |
| 02:27.34 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: like I said, you need to edit your lilo or grub configuration |
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| 02:27.42 | lone_marauder | inc|freaky, if you declare no doctype, you are in trouble. I found that I had to declare and use html 4.01 strict for everything to work right, but that was a few years ago. |
| 02:27.47 | jetscreamer | kinda simple eh apt-get |
| 02:27.51 | lone_marauder | inc|freaky, I'm not sure what the current state of the art is. |
| 02:28.14 | inc|freaky | lone_marauder: just nevermind hehe ... i will work with html and css in half a year again, maybe |
| 02:28.15 | apt-get | all you have to do in ubuntu is type upgarge kernel or something liek that and the kernel is upgraded |
| 02:28.18 | jaymes | how do I get a list of what packages have files in a certain directory? |
| 02:28.26 | jetscreamer | apt-file |
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| 02:28.32 | lone_marauder | inc|freaky, Without a doctype declaration, the browser is left to its own devices about standards, etc. I found that 4.01 strict was pretty consistent across all platforms, even IE. |
| 02:28.41 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: hmm guess you need to use ndiswrapper, whats the problem |
| 02:29.06 | apt-get | No lol |
| 02:29.09 | gradzac | Bizarro_paco: you *must* use ndiswrapper for that card |
| 02:29.10 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: the same is true for Debian, but if you're not running the 2.6 kernel you need, for any distro, to configure scsi emulation |
| 02:29.12 | jetscreamer | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <searchterm> |
| 02:29.14 | apt-get | what do I type intothe command line |
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| 02:29.20 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, the problem is that i cannot, for the life of me, get my green lights goign on the card...i have followed the wiki to a T |
| 02:29.22 | dsl | hello? |
| 02:29.24 | jetscreamer | apt-get, for what |
| 02:29.38 | apt-get | to upgrade or get the cd burner working |
| 02:29.43 | dsl | i need to install debian via floppy...preferably 1 floppy, what do i need to get (i386) |
| 02:29.48 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: not the command line, you need to edit /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst, depending on which you're using. |
| 02:29.54 | jetscreamer | i told you already how to upgrade kernel, try /lastlog |
| 02:29.55 | cg0def | does anyone know when debian is goint to get x86_64 official support? |
| 02:29.56 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: have you done any fiddling with the kernel, or are you using a standard debian one |
| 02:29.57 | jetscreamer | or scroll up |
| 02:29.58 | EvanCarroll | dsl: you will need 3 floppies |
| 02:29.59 | lone_marauder | apt-get, you need a new name. This is very confusing. :) |
| 02:29.59 | apt-get | Grub |
| 02:30.06 | apt-get | lol |
| 02:30.17 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, i am using the standard debian kernel |
| 02:30.20 | apt-get | I'' be AG for now on |
| 02:30.26 | debhead | How do I move the contents of a partition to another partition without losing the data on it |
| 02:30.35 | dsl | EvanCarroll, can you help me set those 3 floppies up? |
| 02:30.39 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, i am using the 2.6.8-2-386 kernel |
| 02:31.06 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: maybe this page will help you: http://tiefighter.et.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/ |
| 02:31.12 | lone_marauder | debhead, what do you not want to lose? |
| 02:31.21 | apt-get | I orderd Debian direct from the factorey ( Sarge Debian,, should be here tomorow |
| 02:31.22 | Soulgrind | Hey, I'm having trouble with my network driver. I've got a VIA Velocity built into my ABIT Kv8 Pro, but no driver seems to exist for this network adapter. |
| 02:31.26 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, i tried it... |
| 02:31.32 | apt-get | Hope it comes with the new kernel |
| 02:31.39 | debhead | lost me |
| 02:31.41 | EvanCarroll | dsl: what do you mean just download, move to floppy and begin install |
| 02:31.51 | apt-get | Right now I'm useing the downloaD VERSION |
| 02:31.51 | EvanCarroll | dsl: debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 02:31.51 | gradzac | Soulgrind: use ndiswrapper and the windows driver for it |
| 02:31.58 | dsl | kk, thnx |
| 02:32.01 | debhead | the entire contents of my home directory |
| 02:32.04 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: where does it go wrong |
| 02:32.05 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, i also tried the page from sourceforge wiki for debian sarge install too....what i need is sonmeone to walk me through it, as if i was retarded |
| 02:32.18 | Soulgrind | Ah. I'm a total newbie when it comes to Linux, so I'll have to read about that. |
| 02:32.20 | lone_marauder | debhead, OK, so you are trying to get your home directory to a target partition? |
| 02:32.23 | Soulgrind | Thanks, gradzac. |
| 02:32.28 | debhead | right |
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| 02:32.38 | gradzac | Soulgrind: ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
| 02:32.46 | apt-get | I dont know what e;se to do I'm about ready to bust a 40 cal cap thought this fuckin computer |
| 02:32.46 | debhead | I outgrew my drive |
| 02:32.50 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: well have never actually used ndiswrapper, only read up on it, so I can't help you there |
| 02:32.50 | calin | feck |
| 02:32.51 | karamelos | help, anybody using firestarter in gnome? |
| 02:32.59 | lone_marauder | debhead, Are you trying to do this at the partition level, or is copying files enough? Is this a forensic effort? Are you trying to preserve slack space, etc.? |
| 02:32.59 | apt-get | the lines are moving too fast I cant read them |
| 02:33.03 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, okay... |
| 02:33.09 | calin | nvm |
| 02:33.18 | dsl | EvanCarroll, i am already there, still doesnt tell me what to grab....its ust says...get it here, but ,it doesnt say WHAT to grab |
| 02:33.23 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: what version kernel are you running? |
| 02:33.23 | Soulgrind | See, I'm trying to do netinstall, so will I be able to run that at all? |
| 02:33.29 | apt-get | 2.4 i thin |
| 02:33.35 | gradzac | Soulgrind: no |
| 02:33.37 | apt-get | the one that came with the download |
| 02:33.45 | EvanCarroll | dsl: what chipset? |
| 02:33.46 | debhead | I have outgrown my drive and I need everything intact including email files and what not |
| 02:33.51 | travisat | apt-get is a great tool |
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| 02:33.55 | Bizarro_paco | i am just real frustrated...i tried suse, i was so frustrated, but i found that suse sucked. |
| 02:34.01 | Soulgrind | I guess I'll just have to do a full install. |
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| 02:34.09 | apt-get | yeah I love it just have to know what to apt-get |
| 02:34.10 | lone_marauder | debhead, Do you have services configured (like an e-mail server), or is this strictly a personal workstation? |
| 02:34.18 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: then you need to edit your boot loader to tell it which drive is your CD rom burner in order to activate scsi emulation for it. |
| 02:34.29 | apt-get | K ic |
| 02:34.39 | dsl | EvanCarroll, i386, it is a thinkpad T22....no-cd-rom |
| 02:34.43 | apt-get | wish someone would have told me this 6 days ago |
| 02:34.48 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: I heard that "whispers" ubuntu "/whispers" has good support for wireles |
| 02:34.48 | debhead | personal workstation and using evolution |
| 02:35.18 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, okay..how do i get there..is that an irc channel? |
| 02:35.19 | EvanCarroll | dsl one sec |
| 02:35.23 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: just to make sure, what does "uname -r" tell you? |
| 02:35.32 | dsl | EvanCarroll, take your time |
| 02:35.37 | apt-get | let me see |
| 02:35.39 | lone_marauder | debhead, Cool. You can tar up the whole home directory, using something like tar -czvpf backup.tar.gz /home/debhead |
| 02:35.48 | EvanCarroll | dsl: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386 |
| 02:35.52 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: ubuntu is a debian based distro, if I remember correctly they have a ndiswrapper tutorial on their wiki |
| 02:36.01 | apt-get | 2.4 |
| 02:36.34 | lone_marauder | Damn - I am seeing 3d molecules screensaver on my new Sarge box for the first time. That is crazy fast performance! |
| 02:36.35 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, do i have to install their OS? |
| 02:36.35 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: OK. Is your CD burner on your primary or secondary IDE interface, and is it master or slave on that interface? |
| 02:36.47 | apt-get | No idea |
| 02:36.50 | debhead | and then untar it into the target directory? |
| 02:36.56 | lone_marauder | debhead, Of course, you need a place big enough to land the tarball. |
| 02:36.58 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: you might be able to just follow the tutorial on their site since you already have debian installed |
| 02:37.02 | lone_marauder | debhead, yes |
| 02:37.03 | apt-get | think primarey |
| 02:37.15 | lone_marauder | tar -xzvf backup.tar.gz |
| 02:37.25 | debhead | goint from 50 gigs to 120 |
| 02:37.32 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, okay thanx |
| 02:37.32 | apt-get | the 14 cd set of debian sarge should arrive tomorow |
| 02:37.36 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: go here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper |
| 02:37.44 | apt-get | I bought them dirrect from Debian |
| 02:37.49 | dsl | EvanCarroll, paste that again please |
| 02:37.53 | EvanCarroll | dsl: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386 |
| 02:37.58 | lone_marauder | debhead, How big is your home directory? |
| 02:37.59 | dsl | ty |
| 02:38.00 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: do you know which /dev it is on? like hdc, hdb, hdd? |
| 02:38.08 | apt-get | think 1 |
| 02:38.11 | maher | apt-get: a) you can't do that b) its the same as what you have now c) read the cdrw howto |
| 02:38.15 | debhead | right now it is 43gigs |
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| 02:38.24 | MobyTurbo | apt-get: no, a CD rom is never a partition |
| 02:38.33 | dsl | EvanCarroll, i get 505, failed to change directory |
| 02:38.54 | debhead | I am going to give it its own drive |
| 02:38.55 | apt-get | I'm I notice the name of the ISO when the system boots |
| 02:38.56 | dsl | got it now |
| 02:38.56 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, how do u feel about ubuntu as an OS? |
| 02:38.59 | lone_marauder | debhead, damn. That's a hell of a lot of data. |
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| 02:39.12 | lone_marauder | I've never tried to tar up anything that big |
| 02:39.12 | debhead | if I fill tht one, I better get a se4rver |
| 02:39.14 | apt-get | everyone keept telling me it was the burent I knew it wasent though |
| 02:39.21 | EvanCarroll | dsl: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 02:39.29 | debhead | divxs, mp3s, oggs |
| 02:39.34 | apt-get | I'm not going to worry about it though |
| 02:39.36 | dsl | EvanCarroll, umm, those 3 files appear to be text docs.... |
| 02:39.44 | MobyTurbo | wait a minute... |
| 02:39.49 | lone_marauder | debhead, that's important. That means you won't get much compression. |
| 02:39.49 | apt-get | Sarge Debian 14 cds should be here tomorow |
| 02:39.53 | debhead | and my ut directories which are also growing with maps |
| 02:40.02 | apt-get | I bought sarge instead of woddy |
| 02:40.07 | dsl | EvanCarroll, well, i got packages.gz, now what? |
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| 02:40.17 | lone_marauder | debhead, If I were you, I might get the new drive running in the old computer, and just cp the whole mess. |
| 02:40.17 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: It is decent, but it still has someproblems. I prefer debian over ubuntu. anything you can do in ubuntu you can do in debian, but not vice versa |
| 02:40.21 | apt-get | But i have no idea why i need 14 cds |
| 02:40.31 | maher | apt-get: you don't |
| 02:40.54 | apt-get | I'm going to get confised |
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| 02:41.01 | debhead | I would like to figure how to get everything so it rips my media to the server |
| 02:41.23 | EvanCarroll | dsl unzip it |
| 02:41.28 | apt-get | other places sold them for $15 the site I wqent to charge 40 |
| 02:41.38 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, what can't you do in ubuntu that you can do in debian? what about fedora? |
| 02:41.44 | debhead | then I can convert my aging tapes as well and play them anywhere in the house |
| 02:41.51 | geef-work | !seen xk |
| 02:41.52 | dpkg | xk <foobar@l3-202-89-188-27.arach.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 19h 32m 32s ago, saying: 'dpkg: find jam$'. |
| 02:41.52 | apt-get | I figured I'd rather pay the extra $ |
| 02:42.09 | debhead | I need a chip to get the server running |
| 02:42.11 | dsl | EvanCarroll, kk, give me a sec |
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| 02:42.19 | geef-work | what ever happened to the 'apt' bot? :P |
| 02:42.20 | debhead | don't have the money right now |
| 02:42.39 | apt-get | plus they keep saying that sarge is going to be out of testing but it never is |
| 02:42.39 | karamelos | I can't run sudo from a gnome session or command line applet. is that normal? |
| 02:42.39 | debhead | need a pentium 3 chip |
| 02:43.00 | dsl | EvanCarroll, sorry to be a noob...but how? |
| 02:43.01 | thenuke | karamelos: try gksudo |
| 02:43.02 | EvanCarroll | dsl: wait |
| 02:43.07 | EvanCarroll | dsl: thats the wrong file |
| 02:43.12 | dsl | EvanCarroll, ok |
| 02:43.14 | apt-get | thanks for the help tyrBO |
| 02:43.19 | apt-get | Turbo |
| 02:43.23 | EvanCarroll | dsl: hrm mistake in docs, thats where its supposed to be located per instructions =/ |
| 02:43.32 | debhead | once I get that , I can get an nfs server running |
| 02:43.39 | dsl | EvanCarroll, hmmm, kk |
| 02:44.03 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, one the problems with ndiswrapper is that i cannot get it to detect my wireless hardware |
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| 02:44.19 | EvanCarroll | dsl: im an idiot, i can't read =/ |
| 02:44.28 | EvanCarroll | dsl: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/ |
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| 02:44.48 | EvanCarroll | i was mentally greping for i386, and took the first one =/ |
| 02:44.53 | debhead | then I can put four 240 gig drives in and span as a logical volume |
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| 02:45.08 | karamelos | thenuke, gksudo ask me for root password, while sudo does not. |
| 02:45.21 | thenuke | ahap |
| 02:45.38 | dsl | EvanCarroll, lol, i have gotten that far......that give me like 20-ish .bin, what do i need? |
| 02:45.42 | debhead | How well is the promise ide controller supported in linux? |
| 02:45.43 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: I don't want to get into a debian/ubuntu debate, and I don't know all that much about ndiswrapper, but your card should at least acknowledge that it is plugged in. so it might be your pcmcia support not your ndiswrapper support |
| 02:45.50 | karamelos | thenuke, I am trying to add a sudo command to a gnome session, but it does not start. |
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| 02:46.08 | jim | debhead: well enough to work I guess |
| 02:46.28 | debhead | I could go with a sata controll |
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| 02:46.30 | jim | debhead: sometimes the author of such drivers has a status web page or soemthing like that |
| 02:46.34 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, can you help me with that then? |
| 02:46.39 | dsl | EvanCarroll, jsut the first 3?......or all of them? |
| 02:46.42 | debhead | I heard that those do work well |
| 02:46.44 | jim | isn't sata currently expensive? |
| 02:46.50 | jim | I heard that too |
| 02:46.54 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: maybe |
| 02:47.04 | EvanCarroll | dsl: if you want to install that copy than you will all 20bin files and then you will have to run dd to put them on floppies, however there should be a more lightweight 'compact' version in the compact folder |
| 02:47.10 | debhead | the drives are cheaper than scsi |
| 02:47.15 | EvanCarroll | will need all * |
| 02:47.21 | jim | that's not saying much :P |
| 02:47.25 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, well, i have the 2.6.8-2-386 kernel |
| 02:47.29 | debhead | have you priced scsi? |
| 02:47.38 | jim | yeah |
| 02:48.00 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: However I think you should figure this out on your own. Only ask specific questions, not whats wrong |
| 02:48.02 | debhead | arm leg left testical and a lung |
| 02:48.16 | jim | yep |
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| 02:48.32 | dsl | EvanCarroll, drivers.tgz, install.bat, kernl-config, linux.bin, tftpboot.img, what do i need? |
| 02:48.40 | debhead | not to mention very sensitve to power fluctuations |
| 02:48.54 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, okay...well, i was thinking that i should do apt-cache search pcmcia, so i can search fro all pcmcia modules...right? |
| 02:48.57 | jim | scsi is? |
| 02:49.04 | jim | or what? |
| 02:49.18 | debhead | ultra wide needs a clean power source |
| 02:49.21 | jim | doesnt' that depend on the controller? |
| 02:49.24 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: Have you done a google for wireless debian? |
| 02:49.44 | jim | so give it a clean power source :P |
| 02:49.46 | debhead | there is a lot to consider when using high performance scsi |
| 02:49.54 | jim | true |
| 02:50.14 | debhead | sata is a little more forgiving |
| 02:50.24 | Bizarro_paco | travisat, no, not using that specific search term |
| 02:50.33 | jim | I had to replace a scsi with a pair of ides only because the drive was dying and making a big noise |
| 02:50.37 | EvanCarroll | dsl: reading the readmes one sec |
| 02:50.59 | jim | driviing everyoone baggy |
| 02:51.00 | debhead | I heard that there is a card out that supports raid 5 in hardware mode for about 500 |
| 02:51.01 | travisat | Bizarro_paco: Well I think you are on the right track. ask me a question about something specific in the future. |
| 02:51.01 | jim | err |
| 02:51.03 | jim | batty |
| 02:51.15 | debhead | better than the 2000 for the scsi variant |
| 02:51.26 | dsl | EWvansCarroll, take your time, i appreciate the help |
| 02:51.36 | dsl | EvansCarroll, take your time, i appreciate the help |
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| 02:51.39 | jim | debhead: the 3ware card? |
| 02:51.46 | debhead | yeah |
| 02:52.03 | jim | yeah, 3ware is supposed to be quick and solid as a rock |
| 02:52.11 | debhead | I think it works with the 2,6,8.2 kernel |
| 02:52.13 | Feiten | How can i find my Dacode passord? |
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| 02:52.29 | jim | Feiten: you don't know it? |
| 02:52.37 | debhead | it even has some memmory for caching |
| 02:52.38 | Feiten | No jim =/ |
| 02:52.53 | jim | reinstall Dacode |
| 02:52.57 | jim | whatever that is |
| 02:53.29 | Feiten | jim, i need the password for that. |
| 02:53.34 | travisat | at least I'm not the only one here that doesn't know what Dacode is |
| 02:53.39 | debhead | yep that is the bad boy |
| 02:54.01 | jim | Feiten: start from the beginning, explain your situation |
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| 02:54.58 | jim | apt, dacode |
| 02:55.07 | jim | dpkg, dacode |
| 02:55.15 | Feiten | jim, iam just trying to install gftp, but i need "What is your admin database password?".. And i dont have it.. |
| 02:55.46 | Feiten | But no big need realy ;) |
| 02:55.50 | jim | ok, gftp is a plain ftp server? |
| 02:55.56 | debhead | that is not a normal pci card though |
| 02:56.23 | jim | !info gftp |
| 02:56.26 | dpkg | gftp: (X/GTK+ FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.18-2 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 02:56.31 | Feiten | jim, its a ftp client. |
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| 02:56.43 | jim | why does it want to know your password? |
| 02:56.54 | jim | that's wack :P |
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| 02:57.50 | jim | "give me your password... oops, just sent it to Ev11H4xquor... sorry, won't happen again... hope that helps... have a nice day..." |
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| 02:58.10 | EvanCarroll | dsl: I agree with you, this is a bull shit way to set up an archive |
| 02:58.27 | jim | that shouldn't happen :) but it can under soem circumstances |
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| 02:59.01 | dsl | EvanCarroll, :), thought i was just stupid, but the docs dont make sence, dont really help at all |
| 02:59.18 | valdyn | !ig |
| 02:59.18 | dpkg | from memory, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:59.31 | dsl | EvanCarroll, id rather call M$ support, and speak with someone from india |
| 02:59.35 | EvanCarroll | dsl: probably havne't been updated since 2002 |
| 03:00.11 | dsl | EvanCarroll, probably not |
| 03:00.23 | dsl | EvanCarroll, well, are you having any luck? |
| 03:00.44 | jim | Feiten: ok, so you're trying to install this client and it's asking for a password... unless it's trying to create some account shortcuts for you, it shouldnt' be doign that |
| 03:00.48 | dsl | EvanCarroll, i just need (whatever i need to get ethernet working and do a net install |
| 03:00.51 | dsl | ) |
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| 03:01.09 | EvanCarroll | not there, 25floppies sounds pretty heavy, there should be a much smaller set |
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| 03:01.22 | bryansmith | hi, can someone help me with a simple question? |
| 03:01.27 | EvanCarroll | !ask |
| 03:01.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 03:01.41 | valdyn | dsl: did you read the install manual as linked by dpkg? |
| 03:01.43 | bryansmith | can i redistribute debian linux' |
| 03:01.51 | bryansmith | ?* |
| 03:01.54 | jim | yes |
| 03:02.04 | jim | the main part that is |
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| 03:02.08 | dsl | valdyn, have YOU read the manual....doesnt help much |
| 03:02.14 | bryansmith | does that include p2p? |
| 03:02.24 | jim | it includes everything in main |
| 03:02.35 | bryansmith | it would be the iso images |
| 03:02.36 | jim | you find out what's in main :P |
| 03:02.51 | bryansmith | ok, thanks for the help...i appreciate it |
| 03:03.01 | jim | you should look into jigdo |
| 03:03.07 | maher | bryansmith: do you mean by p2p |
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| 03:03.26 | bryansmith | ok, thanks again for the help |
| 03:03.37 | RedPenguin | Anyone know the package you need to have nfsd, rpcd, and the other daemons? |
| 03:03.42 | EvanCarroll | there you go |
| 03:03.45 | jcook_ | where should I "go" to get help on a complex linux networking issue? |
| 03:03.53 | RedPenguin | I always went by nfs-utils but it doesn't look like this is the case here |
| 03:04.09 | dsl | EvanCarroll, you give up? |
| 03:04.23 | debhead | what is a pci md2 card |
| 03:04.25 | EvanCarroll | dsl: i found the images i believe, they were listed in the completly wrong place. the docs on debian.org lack mention of a netinstall flopy set, but this would apear to be them |
| 03:04.26 | Xyverz | which is the file I need to edit in order to change which display manager starts on boot? (or disable it altogether) |
| 03:04.31 | jim | jcook_: you could try #network, #networking, #netfilter maybe |
| 03:04.50 | jcook_ | jim: OK |
| 03:04.53 | EvanCarroll | dsl: ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 03:04.53 | danamania | I'm running fluxbox on sarge here, and having problems with gnome apps looking funny - they need gnome-settings-daemon to be run, and fluxbox's site advises to run it from my .xinitrc - I've popped it in there but it still doesn't seem to be run. is ~/.xinitrc the right spot to run gnome-settings-daemon in sarge? |
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| 03:04.54 | jim | jcook_: but really, you could also tell your specifics here |
| 03:05.05 | Xyverz | nm, found it. |
| 03:05.17 | debhead | 64 bit pci slot |
| 03:05.26 | jim | I can't suggest anything really without knowing what you really mean |
| 03:05.31 | BadMan | who's a QuakeI player on here? |
| 03:05.38 | dsl | EvanCarroll, so i need boot root and net......no cd-rom |
| 03:05.43 | jim | QUACK? |
| 03:05.59 | EvanCarroll | dsl right |
| 03:06.01 | BadMan | doh, doesnt look like I misspelled it |
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| 03:06.07 | EvanCarroll | dsl i would asume, try it and get back to me =D |
| 03:06.16 | EvanCarroll | not documented on debian.org though |
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| 03:06.45 | dsl | EvanCarroll, ok, ill et you know how it goes.....TY |
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| 03:07.53 | muaddib | If you have a dual head video card should you see 2 entries in proc? |
| 03:07.56 | muaddib | Atleast according to the Xinerma howto it should |
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| 03:11.47 | ralobao | where do i put mine scite api files on an debian machine ? |
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| 03:12.02 | valdyn | muaddib: proc? where exactly? You should not if you have _one_ dueal head card. |
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| 03:13.12 | Thanatermesis | any person used the "video-thumnailer" of the rox-filer ? |
| 03:14.19 | jcook_ | jim: ive tried before ... but I can do it again |
| 03:15.24 | drivera | good night |
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| 03:15.49 | trapd0r | with the gui login thing how do you add window managers to it? |
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| 03:16.21 | valdyn | trapd0r: theres about 92387 gui login things, which one? |
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| 03:17.19 | trapd0r | the default one |
| 03:17.39 | trapd0r | i just installed sarge and i get the weird gui login i just want to add a decent window manager =) |
| 03:18.03 | inc|freaky | how can i get the megahal SPEECH thingy to work? when i type #VOICES it lists nothing. :( |
| 03:18.46 | valdyn | trapd0r: edit ~/.xsession ( that file does not exist yet ). Add "exec /path/to/windowmanager" |
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| 03:20.17 | jcook_ | jim: I have 2 NIC's ... eth0 and wlan0 ... both on DHCP. At home ... I have a WAP (on a doze box acting as a bridge to the network) ... when both have come up (on 192.168.0/24, same gateway .1) ... the network on the laptop just goes to shit. ... what I need it to figure out how (if the kernel is even able) to get both interfaces working ... ie packets from interface eth0 to go out eth0 and come back, and visa versa for wlan0 |
| 03:21.48 | debhead | I am realizing that with teh improvments in server and network storage, it is sometimes better to boot off the network into a think client |
| 03:21.54 | debhead | thin |
| 03:21.56 | Bizarro_paco | can anyone tell me which pcmcia module i need for ndiswrapper if i ahve the 2.6.8-2-396 kernel? |
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| 03:23.48 | RedPenguin | What is supposed to be used most of the time, nfs-user-server or nfs-kernel-server? |
| 03:24.03 | gartt__ | What does OEM drive only mean for an hdd? |
| 03:24.17 | valdyn | RedPenguin: whichever you chose gets run exclusively |
| 03:25.19 | valdyn | gartt__: that its meant to be sold only built in a new box already, not as a single drive |
| 03:25.24 | debhead | that could be a wicked rendering station |
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| 03:26.10 | valdyn | gartt__: also that some warrantees don't apply, but if that has an effect at all for you depends on your local law too |
| 03:27.03 | dae_ | RedPenguin: kernel-server is probably a better choice with a recent kernel version |
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| 03:30.47 | EvanCarroll | !oem |
| 03:30.47 | dpkg | oem is, like, (Original Equipment Manufacturer) This acronym is used to denote equipment that is sold to other companies or resellers for integration into systems. For example, a hard drive manufacturer may sell an OEM hard drive in bulk quantities and no manual or cables with the promise that it will go into full systems, or maybe external enclosures, and be ... |
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| 03:32.03 | vchrizz | !seen Nei |
| 03:32.04 | dpkg | nei <~ailin@nemui.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 10m 54s ago, saying: 'codered, mine did'. |
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| 03:32.22 | calin | !seen ne1 |
| 03:32.22 | dpkg | ne1 <~coywolf@218.24.170.76> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 126d 21h 14m 18s ago, saying: '!ne1'. |
| 03:32.25 | roo9 | how can i make one of my mailman lists publicly-advertised? |
| 03:32.32 | calin | hahaha |
| 03:34.08 | Bizarro_paco | how do i know what pcmcia modules package i need? |
| 03:34.42 | EvanCarroll | you ask yourself what cards do i have, and then look up what modules those cards need |
| 03:34.52 | abrotman | roo9: read the docs |
| 03:35.07 | roo9 | abrotman: i have been looking at the docs for 2 days now... still coming up empty |
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| 03:35.26 | abrotman | roo9: oh come on .. it's even in the web admin interface |
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| 03:35.34 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 03:35.34 | roo9 | abrotman: i don't see it! |
| 03:36.01 | gartt__ | valdyn: Thanks |
| 03:36.11 | roo9 | abrotman: under what configuration category? |
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| 03:36.32 | distilled | hi |
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| 03:37.23 | abrotman | roo9: on the one i have .. the Privacy Options |
| 03:37.31 | roo9 | abrotman: "Advertise this list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" is set to yes, yet my listinfo page still says no public lists |
| 03:37.51 | Bizarro_paco | evancaroll, so if i have the wpc54g wireless card, i just google for that card? |
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| 03:37.54 | abrotman | roo9: sounds like something is broken .. ask in #mailman ? |
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| 03:38.10 | abrotman | roo9: http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html |
| 03:38.25 | roo9 | abrotman: there is no #mailman |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | roo9: bullshit .. i'm in it now |
| 03:38.50 | abrotman | maybe you should try before saying it doesn't exist |
| 03:38.56 | roo9 | abrotman: joined the wrong network |
| 03:39.09 | distilled | anyone know much about setting up a usb device on the linux box to c`ommunicate to a router over that connection? |
| 03:39.33 | fbred | "dcgui-qt: Depends: libdc0 (>= 0.3.1) but it is not going to be installed" when I do apt-get install dcgui-qt, but when I do dpkg -l libdc0 I get "ii libdc0 0.3.7-1". Why doesn't this work? |
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| 03:40.01 | toymachine | sup, how do i enable X Shape extension? |
| 03:40.12 | toymachine | i can't find anything about it on google :-\ |
| 03:40.12 | EvanCarroll | fbred: it just means that the lib is installed. |
| 03:40.40 | fbred | EvanCarroll, but why can't I install dcgui-qt, the dependency is met |
| 03:40.41 | abrotman | toymachine: did you ask #xfree86 ? |
| 03:40.49 | toymachine | its a debian specific problem |
| 03:40.55 | toymachine | but i will try again |
| 03:40.56 | abrotman | !info dcgui-qt woody |
| 03:41.01 | EvanCarroll | fbred: because its failing at another dependency =/ ? |
| 03:41.07 | abrotman | toymachine: i've never even heard of what you're asking for |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | !info dcgui-qt sarge |
| 03:41.19 | fbred | sid ;) |
| 03:41.21 | abrotman | !info dcgui-qt sid |
| 03:41.23 | dpkg | dcgui-qt: (graphical client for Direct Connect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 756 kB, Installed size: 2856 kB |
| 03:41.24 | abrotman | wtf is it ? |
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| 03:41.34 | toymachine | when i run mplayer i get it |
| 03:41.40 | abrotman | fbred: it may be broken today |
| 03:41.40 | toymachine | err gmplayer |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | erm .. mplayer isn't in debian |
| 03:41.50 | fbred | EvanCarroll, but why does it only mentino that one? |
| 03:41.58 | EvanCarroll | fbred: that i don't know. |
| 03:41.58 | toymachine | it is if you put it in yoru sources.list |
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| 03:42.05 | abrotman | toymachine: it's not in debian |
| 03:42.20 | fbred | abrotman, but the errormessage doesn't make sense |
| 03:42.28 | EvanCarroll | fbred: might want to look up the depends for the package, and make sure you have them all =/ |
| 03:42.36 | abrotman | !depends dcgui-qt |
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| 03:42.38 | dpkg | dcgui-qt: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdc0 (>= 0.3.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5.0-4), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libssl0.9.7, libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 03:42.44 | fbred | EvanCarroll, dpkg does that by it self |
| 03:42.45 | EvanCarroll | fbred: or you apt-get --reinstall install it and try again |
| 03:42.55 | abrotman | fbred: make sure you do an apt-get update |
| 03:43.00 | fbred | ok |
| 03:43.13 | Bizarro_paco | are pcmcia modules kernel specific, or hardware specific(i am using the wpc54g wireless card) |
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| 03:43.34 | EvanCarroll | Bizarro_paco: both |
| 03:43.37 | auliya | getting a strange error installing php - " trying to overwrite `/bin/chgrp', which is also in package coreutils " << this comes when trying to install fileutils. i'm root, so why this problem? thanks :-) |
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| 03:44.15 | Bizarro_paco | evancarroll, so i should try doing a google search for my wireles card and its appropriate pcmcia modules? |
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| 03:44.38 | EvanCarroll | Bizarro_paco: wow, you hit that nail right on the head |
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| 03:44.47 | fbred | I did both an update and reinstall, it did not help |
| 03:45.06 | abrotman | fbred: it could be uninstallable today |
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| 03:45.20 | fbred | hm, okay, I hope so |
| 03:45.20 | EvanCarroll | Bizarro_paco: try prefixing your cards model number with your kernel's major version, and then append the word 'module' to the whole querry |
| 03:45.21 | Bizarro_paco | evancarroll, i am a nobb, as if u didnt know already |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | fbred: or check the bts |
| 03:45.36 | fbred | I'll try later then. Thanks for the help folks :-) |
| 03:45.47 | EvanCarroll | !newb |
| 03:45.47 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 03:45.50 | Bizarro_paco | noob, not nobb |
| 03:45.51 | EvanCarroll | =D |
| 03:46.07 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:46.07 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:46.31 | Bizarro_paco | evancarroll, thanx |
| 03:48.03 | alus | is there a way to lock a packge at a specifc version, or do I have to tend to the apt-get installing for upgrades on every other package on my entire system myself? |
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| 03:49.10 | toymachine | ok next question, why can't i read UDF dvd's |
| 03:50.17 | EvanCarroll | alus: if you just want to upgrade 1 package, just run install, and it will be selected for upgrade |
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| 03:50.35 | EvanCarroll | alus: upgrade, is referring to the whole installation not a package, it shoulden't take an arguement |
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| 03:50.47 | abrotman | !tell alus about hold |
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| 03:50.47 | russo | hey guys |
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| 03:51.01 | russo | guys what irc client fo you use? |
| 03:51.12 | abrotman | irssi-text or xchat |
| 03:51.19 | xarg | what can I use to manage a dns server from the web? not webmin. |
| 03:51.20 | russo | i use xchat |
| 03:51.28 | abrotman | xarg: vi |
| 03:51.34 | russo | just curious in xchat how fo u get a user list??? |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 03:51.38 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 03:51.39 | russo | like on a side or something |
| 03:51.41 | alus | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:51.44 | abrotman | russo: it's on the side |
| 03:51.55 | russo | fuck |
| 03:52.00 | LuteM | am using tkirc tonight |
| 03:52.01 | russo | my was disapeared somwhweres |
| 03:52.03 | russo | lol |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | #xchat |
| 03:52.08 | russo | im a total n00b |
| 03:52.15 | abrotman | we can tell |
| 03:52.19 | EvanCarroll | !newb |
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| 03:52.19 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 03:52.19 | russo | i got linux running |
| 03:52.26 | russo | haha |
| 03:52.26 | russo | thanks |
| 03:52.31 | Thanatermesis | any person used the "video-thumnailer" of the rox-filer ? |
| 03:52.35 | alus | !thanks |
| 03:52.35 | dpkg | no worries, alus |
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| 03:54.47 | difeta | hello, I have /usr/java/jdk-1.5.0/bin added to /etc/profile. I can use the applications listed in the path when logged in un console mode, but in X my path is changed to be the default. What the deal? |
| 03:55.26 | EvanCarroll | !zzz |
| 03:55.26 | dpkg | yawn... |
| 03:55.41 | jim | difeta: /etc/profile is for SHELL processes |
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| 03:55.53 | abrotman | difeta: depending on the xterm you use .. it doesn't source the profile stuff |
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| 03:56.22 | abrotman | and no .. i don't know which does what |
| 03:56.25 | difeta | abrotman, ahh.. how could i find out what gnome-terminal does source? |
| 03:56.26 | jim | it's also whether the shell is a login shell or not |
| 03:56.29 | Greeeen_Alien | can someone help me, I have a question about xserver |
| 03:56.53 | jim | Greeeen_Alien, /msg dpkg ask |
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| 03:57.04 | difeta | jim, then im confused. How would i get gnome-terminial to take in this path? |
| 03:57.14 | RedPenguin | Does Debian come with bpck-fdc from ftape? I tried locating it and looking in modconf, but I can't find it anywhere |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | difeta: strace it ? |
| 03:57.28 | sanxiyn | difeta: Edit your profile |
| 03:57.33 | jim | difeta: it might have a setting "login shell" or soemthign; a checkbox |
| 03:57.36 | sanxiyn | difeta: And make gnome-terminal a login shell. |
| 03:57.41 | abrotman | !tell RedPenguin about search |
| 03:58.00 | RedPenguin | Weird script problem |
| 03:58.05 | RedPenguin | !tell RedPenguin about search |
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| 03:58.43 | difeta | sanxiyn, jim, abrotman ahh, its a setting in gnome-terminal. thanks |
| 03:58.48 | RedPenguin | I tried that but it is a kernel driver |
| 03:58.58 | jim | difeta: yeah |
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| 03:59.15 | sanxiyn | difeta: Edit -> Current profile -> Command -> Login shell checkbox |
| 03:59.33 | jim | RedPenguin: maybe you have to rebuild kernel or build that module |
| 03:59.38 | abrotman | !find bpck-fdc |
| 03:59.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bpck-fdc' (1): (/usr/share/doc/ftape-doc/ftape-manual/html/trakker.o_bpck-fdc.o.html) in doc/ftape-doc. |
| 03:59.48 | Greeeen_Alien | sorry, I accidently configured xserver wrongly the first time. I forgot to set the screen resolution to 1024x748. Now I am stuck at 800x600. How do I amek it so tha I can get 1024x748 resolution? |
| 04:00.00 | abrotman | !drxx Greeeen_Alien |
| 04:00.01 | dpkg | Greeeen_Alien: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 04:00.15 | sanxiyn | Hm, how do I run some GNOME program temporarily in other language? (not using localization?) |
| 04:00.44 | Greeeen_Alien | ok, I'll try that |
| 04:00.47 | Greeeen_Alien | thx |
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| 04:01.31 | jim | sanxiyn: which gnome program? does it use locales? or some other mechanism? |
| 04:01.36 | lone_marauder | Okay, I give up. How the hell do I manually add a mirror to my apt sources.list file? |
| 04:01.45 | jim | emacs |
| 04:01.52 | jim | or vi |
| 04:02.07 | jim | or... head, tail, cat, echo :) |
| 04:02.11 | sanxiyn | echo something >>/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:02.14 | alus | or echo and alot of patience |
| 04:02.18 | lone_marauder | good. |
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| 04:02.21 | abrotman | couldn't you export your new locale in a shell .. and then run the app from that shell ? |
| 04:02.34 | lone_marauder | How about syntax? I keep getting parse errors. |
| 04:02.51 | jim | lone_marauder: don't you want to know WHAT to put there? man 5 sources.list |
| 04:02.52 | sanxiyn | abrotman: What environment variable should I export? |
| 04:03.07 | lone_marauder | jim - been there. |
| 04:03.08 | abrotman | LANG ? |
| 04:03.10 | sanxiyn | Ah, shoot. |
| 04:03.17 | jim | then you know the syntax |
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| 04:03.30 | abrotman | understands what ? |
| 04:03.34 | sanxiyn | LANG=C <random program> works. |
| 04:03.41 | lone_marauder | It's not very clear on where the url ends and the other stuff begins, and the / symbol appears to be used outside of the URL. |
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| 04:03.50 | sanxiyn | But since I'm working inside gnome-terminal, new gnome terminal (with LANG=C) still shows Korean localization. |
| 04:03.58 | jim | sanxiyn: that -is- the locales method |
| 04:04.09 | lone_marauder | deb http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/ testing |
| 04:04.20 | lone_marauder | This doesn't work - can anyone give me an idea of why? |
| 04:04.39 | jim | lone_marauder: that's the second form of source |
| 04:04.48 | jim | make sure you understand how it works |
| 04:05.03 | sanxiyn | jim: I knew that locale method, just wondered why it doesn't work with gnome-terminal. |
| 04:05.05 | jim | wait, no it isn't, it's the first |
| 04:05.08 | jim | sorry |
| 04:05.20 | sanxiyn | (When I wanted to tell English menu name to difeta, that is.) |
| 04:05.33 | jim | lone_marauder: browse the site in your web browser |
| 04:05.49 | jim | look for where you find a "dists" dir |
| 04:06.06 | alus | abrotman: will holding a package keep packages that depend on it from upgrading as well? |
| 04:06.22 | sanxiyn | alus: Yes. |
| 04:06.27 | alus | awesome |
| 04:06.28 | lone_marauder | Okay - got it. |
| 04:06.29 | abrotman | alus: if the other package requires a newer versnio than what you've held |
| 04:06.33 | alus | right |
| 04:06.47 | jim | lone_marauder: show the url that contains "dists" |
| 04:06.53 | alus | what is xserver-common in comparison to xserver-xfree86? |
| 04:07.08 | lone_marauder | http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/ |
| 04:07.09 | jim | alus: stuff all xservers have? |
| 04:07.39 | alus | more specifically, is there any reason why upgrading xserver-common would change the xlibmesa dependancy from xlibmesa3 to xlibmesa-gl (like upgrading xserver-xfree86 would) |
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| 04:07.45 | jim | lone_marauder: ok. so far, your line is "deb http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/" |
| 04:07.51 | jim | now look in dists |
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| 04:07.57 | jim | what do you see in there/ |
| 04:07.59 | jim | ? |
| 04:08.05 | abrotman | more stuff!! |
| 04:08.11 | lone_marauder | pertinent to me - sarge, testing, etc. |
| 04:08.18 | yaboo | anyone running dmix under debian |
| 04:08.21 | jim | ok, which one do you want? |
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| 04:08.35 | lone_marauder | I'm using testing, which is sarge. |
| 04:08.52 | abrotman | lone_marauder: currently it is .. but are you tracking sarge or testing ? |
| 04:08.55 | lone_marauder | But I guess apt knows it as testing |
| 04:09.16 | lone_marauder | abrotman, I'm not sure how to answer that question. My other apt-sources reference testing. |
| 04:09.18 | jim | so, do you prefer to stay with sarge, or always follow whatever testing is (which is sarge AT THIS MOMENT) |
| 04:09.28 | lone_marauder | oh, I've got you. |
| 04:09.31 | lone_marauder | I'll play in testing. |
| 04:09.46 | jim | lone_marauder: ok. so far, your line is "deb http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/ testing" |
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| 04:09.56 | jim | next, look in testing |
| 04:10.06 | abrotman | i say if you don't know the difference .. track sarge |
| 04:10.08 | jim | do you see stuff like main contrib non-free? |
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| 04:10.25 | lone_marauder | Isn't it .../debian-non-US/dists ? or does the dist not matter? |
| 04:10.40 | shaggs | I'm using the unstable release, and all the compression utilities are complaining that they cannot find "zip" |
| 04:10.41 | jim | not for first form of source |
| 04:10.54 | jim | first form of source is for an actual mirror |
| 04:11.03 | lone_marauder | ok |
| 04:11.07 | lone_marauder | I'm with you |
| 04:11.09 | jim | second form is for outside aptable repository |
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| 04:11.49 | jim | and I'm thinkign that you might have some trouble when sarge is released... testing won't exist for a time |
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| 04:12.05 | jim | you might want to track sarge thru its release |
| 04:12.10 | shaggs | anyone? |
| 04:12.11 | mount--bind | NP: ~/media/Psycroptic - The isle of disenchantment - 5 - The Isle Of Disenchantment |
| 04:12.12 | jim | then decide differently after |
| 04:12.13 | lone_marauder | This is a play box for the moment. I'll bear that in mind when I install it in production. |
| 04:12.16 | mount--bind | if I mount --bind /dir1 /dir2 and I want it to not be like this anymore, how do i un mount it? I can't figure it out |
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| 04:12.23 | jim | ok good enough |
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| 04:12.27 | mount--bind | grr |
| 04:12.30 | mount--bind | damn mp3 |
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| 04:12.54 | jim | lone_marauder: now you need to choose subsections, which are in dists/testing/ |
| 04:12.54 | abrotman | shaggs: install zip ? |
| 04:12.57 | abrotman | and unzip ? |
| 04:13.01 | lone_marauder | ok |
| 04:13.15 | lone_marauder | we have non-US |
| 04:13.18 | jim | can you abbreviate what you see in that location on the site? |
| 04:13.21 | shaggs | abrotman: where is zip? |
| 04:13.23 | jim | is that all? |
| 04:13.26 | abrotman | !find zip |
| 04:13.28 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'zip' (15 of 31): apt-zip ;; bzip2 ;; classpath-common-unzipped ;; dict-gazetteer2k-zips ;; dictzip ;; fcrackzip ;; gzip ;; jazip ;; jzip ;; libapache-mod-gzip ;; libarchive-zip-perl ;; libzip-ocaml ;; libzip-ocaml-dev ;; libzip-ruby1.6 ;; libzip-ruby1.8. |
| 04:13.38 | abrotman | !tell shaggs about search |
| 04:13.41 | inc|freaky | i luv debian :D |
| 04:13.44 | mount--bind | I setup vsftpd, and made a local user 'ftpuser' and hardlinks or ln -s won't show up as a dir, so I mount --bind /home/user/media to /home/ftpuser/ and now I want to un mount it, how do i do it |
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| 04:13.50 | lone_marauder | at that level - in non-US are serveral gz files. |
| 04:14.00 | lone_marauder | Contents-i386.gz |
| 04:14.26 | jim | ok, that's fine.... you don't need that level just now... but you have discovered the subsection |
| 04:14.29 | inc|freaky | anyone playing arround with megahal and tried to teach it other languages? it just wont believe me that its name isnt my name :\ |
| 04:14.32 | sanxiyn | shaggs: Get file-roller :-) |
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| 04:14.35 | lone_marauder | yes |
| 04:14.36 | jim | lone_marauder: ok. so far, your line is "deb http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/ testing non-US" |
| 04:14.47 | mount--bind | inc|freaky, megahal sucks, try alicebot |
| 04:14.47 | mount--bind | :) |
| 04:14.49 | inc|freaky | are there any good sources i should have added? |
| 04:14.51 | jim | anything else in dists/testing? |
| 04:14.52 | lone_marauder | cool |
| 04:14.55 | inc|freaky | mount--bind: why is alicebot better? |
| 04:15.07 | jim | other than non-US? |
| 04:15.08 | mount--bind | because megahal is a screwey setup |
| 04:15.16 | lone_marauder | not on this mirror. |
| 04:15.22 | mount--bind | it almost always replies in incoherent sentences and bad grammar |
| 04:15.24 | jim | ok |
| 04:15.25 | sanxiyn | alicebot is screwey too. |
| 04:15.34 | mount--bind | its a bit better than megahal |
| 04:15.35 | jim | let's summarize what you did: |
| 04:15.38 | mount--bind | in my experience |
| 04:15.45 | inc|freaky | mount--bind: where can i get alice-bot? |
| 04:15.55 | sanxiyn | mount--bind: Whole point of MegaHAL is its claimed "learning" ability. |
| 04:15.55 | mount--bind | inc|freaky, google for it |
| 04:15.59 | inc|freaky | ;p |
| 04:16.09 | mount--bind | alicebot learns too :) |
| 04:16.09 | sanxiyn | mount--bind: On the other hand, AliceML is (though smart), just canned replies. |
| 04:16.17 | sanxiyn | mount--bind: No. |
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| 04:16.22 | jim | using the mirror form of sources.list line, you browsed and discovered, and then formed, your sources.list line |
| 04:16.27 | mount--bind | i talk to it with my eggdrop all the time |
| 04:16.30 | jim | here is the last step: |
| 04:16.30 | sanxiyn | (I mean AIML) |
| 04:16.31 | mount--bind | it learns apparantly |
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| 04:16.39 | mount--bind | unless im going blind or hallunicating |
| 04:16.48 | jim | read man 5 sources.list and reverse engineer the documentation |
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| 04:17.04 | mount--bind | could anyone tell me how to un mount or umount a mound --bind |
| 04:17.04 | mount--bind | ? |
| 04:17.06 | sanxiyn | mount--bind: Are we talking about Dr. Richard Wallace's alicebot? |
| 04:17.11 | mount--bind | no |
| 04:17.14 | mount--bind | Rosetta Stone's |
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| 04:17.20 | lone_marauder | okay, fair enough. Thanks Jim |
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| 04:17.21 | sanxiyn | Ah, so we were talking about different things. |
| 04:17.24 | mount--bind | indeed |
| 04:17.35 | sanxiyn | (AIML is quite cool, by the way.) |
| 04:17.39 | mount--bind | yes it is |
| 04:17.44 | jim | meaning that you want to know how the documentation says it so you can understand later, especially if you want to discover again |
| 04:17.57 | sanxiyn | Also http://pyaiml.sf.net/ Should play with it someday. |
| 04:18.05 | lone_marauder | jim - agreed |
| 04:18.11 | jim | and expecially if you want to piece together a url for a non-mirror repos |
| 04:18.14 | mount--bind | sanxiyn, would you know how to umount a mound --bind |
| 04:18.16 | mount--bind | i can't figure it out |
| 04:18.24 | mount--bind | i mounted one directory to another users |
| 04:18.28 | mount--bind | now i can't umount it |
| 04:18.31 | mount--bind | pissing me off |
| 04:18.35 | jim | and ESPECIALLY if you want to serve your -own- repository |
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| 04:18.37 | mount--bind | :/ went through all mount mans |
| 04:18.47 | lone_marauder | quite so |
| 04:19.34 | shaggs | anyone know what package "zip" is in? |
| 04:19.42 | jim | lone_marauder: you just gained quite a lot of info... take a snapshot, write things down, do what you have to do to keep it |
| 04:19.43 | sanxiyn | shaggs: "zip" package. |
| 04:19.43 | abrotman | !search |
| 04:19.43 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> ... |
| 04:19.48 | abrotman | !find bin/zip |
| 04:19.54 | abrotman | it's not fucking hard |
| 04:19.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/zip' (4): (/usr/bin/zips.xnc) in utils/xnc ;; (/usr/bin/zip2disk) in otherosfs/cbmconvert ;; (/usr/bin/{zipgrep|zipinfo}) in utils/unzip ;; (/usr/bin/{zip|zipcloak|zipnote|...}) in utils/zip. |
| 04:20.05 | shaggs | abrotman: i tried |
| 04:20.07 | abrotman | and i already told you to install zip |
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| 04:20.11 | sanxiyn | shaggs: apt-get install zip and be quiet. |
| 04:20.12 | abrotman | and unzip |
| 04:20.20 | jim | is it a problem that it's not fucking hard enough? |
| 04:20.53 | jim | shall we increase speed and force? :) |
| 04:20.55 | lone_marauder | will do, jim. Thanks. |
| 04:20.59 | mount--bind | ohmy god |
| 04:21.06 | mount--bind | i am retarded |
| 04:21.08 | abrotman | jim: ludicrous speed!! |
| 04:21.09 | mount--bind | its umount |
| 04:21.12 | mount--bind | not unmount |
| 04:21.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:21.12 | mount--bind | wtf |
| 04:21.16 | mount--bind | gay |
| 04:21.20 | sanxiyn | mount--bind: Heh. |
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| 04:21.24 | abrotman | !gay |
| 04:21.24 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 04:21.31 | shaggs | sorry sorry, i had the "substring" box on KPackage checked |
| 04:21.33 | mount--bind | i don't mean homosexual mind you |
| 04:21.35 | mount--bind | i meant happy |
| 04:21.36 | mount--bind | :/ |
| 04:21.37 | jim | mount--bind: gay is in the libido of the beholder... are you latent? |
| 04:21.48 | jim | oh :) |
| 04:21.52 | jim | sowwy :) |
| 04:21.56 | mount--bind | its all good :) |
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| 04:23.22 | sanxiyn | Is "gay" and "joy" etymologically related? |
| 04:23.36 | abrotman | happy |
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| 04:23.39 | Russo017 | so |
| 04:23.43 | abrotman | joyous |
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| 04:23.50 | abrotman | sanxiyn: good enough? |
| 04:23.52 | simonrvn | how does the debian diff get created? |
| 04:23.56 | EtherNet | hello, I am having a serious problem, I didn't before.... now in X enviroment, all the lines which has Characters, has a shadow line in grey color, I don't know what happens, any fix please? |
| 04:24.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: read the god damn documentation you fucking weenie |
| 04:24.20 | sanxiyn | abrotman: haha |
| 04:24.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: one would assume it's a diff against the original source package no? |
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| 04:24.53 | simonrvn | abrotman: WHERE IN THE GODDAMNED FUCKING DOCS DO YOU FIND SUCH A THING? |
| 04:24.59 | sanxiyn | Actually, "happy" is from same root as "happen". |
| 04:25.01 | abrotman | simonrvn: nm guide ? |
| 04:25.03 | simonrvn | yeh, i'd imagine so |
| 04:25.26 | simonrvn | nm guide.. .hrm |
| 04:25.33 | abrotman | and what if there is no difference? |
| 04:25.37 | asuffield | it's in the manpage of the tool that creates it, of course |
| 04:25.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:25.48 | simonrvn | there's *always* a difference |
| 04:25.52 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:25.54 | jim | simonrvn: dpkg-buildpackage does it |
| 04:26.04 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:26.06 | abrotman | simonrvn: between original source and the final debian source? |
| 04:26.20 | sanxiyn | Actually, dpkg-source. |
| 04:26.23 | simonrvn | yes. almost always, unless it's a native package |
| 04:26.25 | jim | oh |
| 04:26.28 | asuffield | I've uploaded packages with empty diffs, once or twice |
| 04:26.37 | Russo017 | what can i do to get my audigy 2 zs to run on debian? |
| 04:26.41 | Flimzy | There's not always a difference... sometimes the original source is written by a debian mantainer :P |
| 04:26.41 | jim | is that a good thing? |
| 04:26.45 | jim | empty diffs? |
| 04:26.51 | simonrvn | Flimzy: ^^^ |
| 04:26.53 | RedPenguin | Isn't there a set of rules for compiling a new Debian kernel? |
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| 04:26.58 | Flimzy | simonrvn: hehe.. uh... jinx? :P |
| 04:27.04 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:27.18 | RedPenguin | I tried looking at debian.org but didn't find much about specificly compiling a new kernel |
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| 04:27.37 | jim | RedPenguin: you need cramfs and initrd enabled |
| 04:27.44 | abrotman | !tell RedPenguin about kp |
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| 04:28.09 | lone_marauder | The complete (and correct) line turned out to be deb http://mirror.direct.ca/linux/debian-non-US/ testing non-US/main non-US/non-free non-US/contrib |
| 04:28.27 | jim | cramfs must be in the kernel, also ramdisk, and initial ramdisk |
| 04:28.49 | RedPenguin | How are you supposed to read a .gz though? |
| 04:28.58 | sanxiyn | die non-US die |
| 04:28.58 | abrotman | zless ? |
| 04:28.59 | jim | with your fingers? |
| 04:29.03 | simonrvn | thnks everyone |
| 04:29.05 | simonrvn | a* |
| 04:29.09 | RedPenguin | I know how to extract .gz's but never really used a README.gz |
| 04:29.16 | mount--bind | i was on the xchat forums/docs and it says that the images in userlist(the colored dots) that show up are under /usr/share/xchat ( i am using xchat2.4.1/sarge) and when I do dpkg -L on the xchat package, the png files that hold the images of userlist don't show up. I would like to change those images, could anyone tell me how? |
| 04:29.23 | abrotman | zless README.gz |
| 04:29.24 | jim | lone_marauder: how did you determine that? it sounds right thoi |
| 04:29.30 | RedPenguin | Oh |
| 04:29.35 | mount--bind | why is it that the images are not there under /usr/share/ or something in sarge |
| 04:29.39 | mount--bind | is it a debian package fault |
| 04:29.43 | mount--bind | or am I missing something? |
| 04:29.51 | jim | RedPenguin: well you could use zless |
| 04:29.54 | lone_marauder | Once I understood what apt considered to be the "root" of the mirror, I worked out the file not found errors it was giving me. |
| 04:30.09 | jim | ahh, so more discovery |
| 04:30.14 | jim | GOOD |
| 04:30.14 | lone_marauder | always |
| 04:30.23 | jim | now you can discover any mirror |
| 04:30.31 | lone_marauder | yep. Thanks. |
| 04:30.37 | mount--bind | anyone? |
| 04:30.51 | abrotman | mount--bind: did you check all the xchat packages ? |
| 04:31.14 | jim | (I hope whoever else wanted that ability was listening... I'm not gonna repeat that for at least 6 months) |
| 04:31.16 | abrotman | like xchat-common ? |
| 04:31.24 | sanxiyn | abrotman: It's not there. |
| 04:31.32 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:31.37 | abrotman | jim: what ability .. tell me .. tell me! |
| 04:31.44 | jim | :P |
| 04:31.50 | jim | :P~~~~~~ |
| 04:31.56 | abrotman | old man drools |
| 04:32.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:32.19 | mount--bind | abrotman, yes |
| 04:32.24 | jim | and then slams the freezer door closed! |
| 04:32.29 | jim | :P |
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| 04:32.45 | jim | j/k :) |
| 04:33.17 | sanxiyn | mount--bind: What is the expected path of colored dots image used in XChat? |
| 04:33.21 | RedPenguin | ty, now this definatly makes compiling the kernel much easier |
| 04:33.22 | inc|freaky | im bored |
| 04:33.27 | inc|freaky | im using linux |
| 04:33.29 | abrotman | fix bugs |
| 04:33.32 | inc|freaky | any1 any ideas what i could do'? |
| 04:33.36 | inc|freaky | what bugs? |
| 04:33.37 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 04:33.37 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 04:33.43 | mount--bind | sanxiyn, /usr/share/xchat |
| 04:33.48 | abrotman | inc|freaky: /topic #debian-bugs |
| 04:33.51 | mount--bind | i ran "strings `which xchat` | grep png" |
| 04:34.02 | mount--bind | and it told me they are under /usr/share/xcaht |
| 04:34.09 | mount--bind | but when I cd to that dir it doesn't exist |
| 04:34.12 | mount--bind | xchat* |
| 04:34.45 | sanxiyn | mount--bind: Indeed. |
| 04:34.48 | mount--bind | oh |
| 04:34.53 | mount--bind | i have to palce them there |
| 04:34.55 | jim | other than those things that must be in the kernel, you can modulize everything else if youi're producing an initrd kernel package |
| 04:34.59 | mount--bind | i thought the originals would be there |
| 04:35.00 | mount--bind | strange |
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| 04:35.27 | sanxiyn | Yeah, perhaps just placing op.png etc to /usr/share/xchat will do. |
| 04:35.43 | abrotman | i have green dots on mine .. those are ops |
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| 04:35.47 | N1ZXZ | hello there |
| 04:35.56 | russo | guys i need to get my audigy running |
| 04:35.56 | sanxiyn | abrotman: mount want to change that graphics. |
| 04:36.04 | russo | i have an audigy 2 zs platinum |
| 04:36.08 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i gathered |
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| 04:36.11 | N1ZXZ | anyone know anything about how to uncorrupt a reiserfs filesystem? |
| 04:36.11 | russo | what driver should i used |
| 04:36.16 | mount--bind | alright thanks |
| 04:36.28 | abrotman | N1ZXZ: pull down your pants and bend over |
| 04:36.36 | N1ZXZ | I have a problem where directrories think they are files |
| 04:37.02 | N1ZXZ | instead of drwxrwxrwx now I get ?rwxrwxrwx |
| 04:37.04 | abrotman | ask either ##linux or #kernel or #kernelnewbies |
| 04:37.10 | N1ZXZ | when I do a ls -l |
| 04:37.14 | abrotman | ask either ##linux or #kernel or #kernelnewbies |
| 04:37.15 | mindframe | anyone here familiar with sudo configuration? im wondering if the rule "www-data ALL = /bin/ps" would let the user "www-data" run ps as root? |
| 04:37.19 | travisat | directories think??? oh god, martha get the axe |
| 04:37.32 | sanxiyn | N1ZXZ: Ihgeswo deiwom Werunom. |
| 04:37.32 | N1ZXZ | is it a kernel issue or a filesystem problem? |
| 04:37.44 | abrotman | N1ZXZ: the fs is part of the kernel |
| 04:37.50 | abrotman | mindframe: why do you need to do that ? |
| 04:38.21 | mindframe | abrotman: grsecurity prevents all non-root users from seeing system-wide processes |
| 04:38.21 | travisat | mindframe: that would be intelligent |
| 04:38.27 | abrotman | mindframe: good job |
| 04:39.03 | sanxiyn | mindframe: I think it will work. |
| 04:39.56 | russo | omg i cant get debian to let me switch an icon |
| 04:39.59 | russo | it wont accept it |
| 04:40.04 | russo | it keeps switching it back |
| 04:40.18 | travisat | icons????? die icons!!!111 die !!1111!!!1 |
| 04:40.26 | N1ZXZ | what about the icons? |
| 04:40.31 | russo | when i right click |
| 04:40.38 | russo | on the icons i made on my desktop |
| 04:40.43 | russo | and its like select an icon |
| 04:40.50 | russo | i mean on the launcher things |
| 04:41.02 | russo | itll let me pcik an icon but it wont apply it |
| 04:42.09 | travisat | russo: I am sorry I killed them all |
| 04:42.48 | sanxiyn | Clutti moi pter Werune. |
| 04:42.50 | drp|lab | off topic: is there a common hex editor that's installed with most linux distros and if so what is it |
| 04:42.53 | russo | nvm |
| 04:42.55 | russo | im an idiot |
| 04:43.01 | russo | my problem was i applied it to a bin |
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| 04:46.06 | travisat | If I were a rich man, da da dee dee dee dee dah. I would work no more for you today. la da ti di la da ti di da... boo booop doobie-doop |
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| 04:46.32 | inc|freaky | whats the best audio player for kde? |
| 04:46.42 | travisat | inc|freaky: mpg321 |
| 04:46.51 | sanxiyn | amarok |
| 04:46.54 | buu | mpg321++ |
| 04:47.11 | russo | guys im a total linux n00b so hlep me out here. i installed firefox but which file is the one that im actually supposed to click to launch |
| 04:47.26 | travisat | /usr/bin/firefox |
| 04:47.34 | sanxiyn | russo: Isn't it in the menu after insall? |
| 04:47.42 | russo | um |
| 04:47.43 | russo | no |
| 04:47.48 | russo | thats my problem |
| 04:47.51 | russo | i dont know how to install |
| 04:48.07 | sanxiyn | That's weird. |
| 04:48.22 | russo | i installed it to the /home/russo/download folde |
| 04:48.23 | russo | r |
| 04:48.26 | sanxiyn | apt-get install mozilla-firefox should install appropriate menu item, and it should appear in menu (be it GNOME or KDE) |
| 04:48.27 | russo | im guessing bin is better |
| 04:48.31 | sanxiyn | russo: What? |
| 04:48.34 | robink | I've got a cron job that tried to run yet running crontab -e shows nothing |
| 04:48.43 | robink | and yes, I'm running it as the user cron reports running the job for |
| 04:48.48 | abrotman | mozilla-firefox |
| 04:48.53 | abrotman | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 04:48.57 | russo | i told u my linux knowledge is very acute where should i place the install |
| 04:48.59 | sanxiyn | russo: So you downloaded binary from mozilla.org site? |
| 04:49.06 | abrotman | !u |
| 04:49.06 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:49.18 | npx | u mean to tell me they haven't fixed that english bug yet? |
| 04:49.21 | abrotman | russo: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 04:49.25 | russo | it was an installer |
| 04:49.29 | abrotman | russo: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 04:49.36 | abrotman | want me to keep saying it ? |
| 04:49.40 | sanxiyn | russo: Well, ask people who made that installer. |
| 04:49.56 | npx | abrotman, I want you to record an mp3 of you saying it liek a death metal singer |
| 04:50.10 | abrotman | npx: uhm .. it would work today .. i'm still sick |
| 04:50.16 | npx | go for it man |
| 04:50.35 | sanxiyn | russo: Doesn't Firefox installer says something about what to launch while installing? |
| 04:50.38 | abrotman | i'm trying to watch martin sheen kill marlon brando |
| 04:50.47 | sanxiyn | russo: (I think it even provides option to launch after finish installation.) |
| 04:50.49 | npx | brando deserves nothing less |
| 04:51.02 | Russo017 | yes |
| 04:51.07 | npx | russo, not that you deserve that option; but it's there |
| 04:51.08 | Russo017 | i mean |
| 04:51.12 | Russo017 | where should i install it |
| 04:51.14 | Russo017 | like |
| 04:51.16 | travisat | isn't martin sheen like the president or something like that |
| 04:51.17 | sanxiyn | ... |
| 04:51.19 | Russo017 | i just clicked next |
| 04:51.22 | Russo017 | like in windows |
| 04:51.24 | Russo017 | :( |
| 04:51.28 | abrotman | !enter |
| 04:51.28 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 04:51.32 | abrotman | fucking bah |
| 04:51.41 | abrotman | russo: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 04:51.45 | Russo017 | yea |
| 04:51.47 | Russo017 | im doing that now |
| 04:51.55 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Somehow, russo seems to want to use mozilla.org binary installer. |
| 04:51.57 | Russo017 | this is me on my comp thats right next to it |
| 04:52.00 | npx | abrotman death metal will get the message across |
| 04:52.10 | abrotman | sanxiyn: good.. this is the wrong place for him to ask about it :) |
| 04:52.12 | Russo017 | hey i forgot about apt-get |
| 04:52.15 | sanxiyn | Indeed. |
| 04:52.18 | Russo017 | im new |
| 04:52.20 | abrotman | you forgot? |
| 04:52.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 04:52.22 | Russo017 | cut me some slack |
| 04:52.22 | alus | how do I remove a file called --test ? |
| 04:52.29 | abrotman | Russo017: are you using debian? |
| 04:52.31 | travisat | rm --test |
| 04:52.33 | Russo017 | yes |
| 04:52.50 | abrotman | alus: if that fails .. rm \-\-test |
| 04:52.51 | alus | travisat: rm: unrecognized option `--test' |
| 04:52.52 | Russo017 | wait |
| 04:53.00 | abrotman | wait what? |
| 04:53.02 | Russo017 | is there an apt-get for the audigy 2 zs driver |
| 04:53.02 | abrotman | it's not debian ? |
| 04:53.07 | Russo017 | yes its debian |
| 04:53.09 | alus | abrotman: same deal |
| 04:53.09 | abrotman | russo: uname -r |
| 04:53.16 | travisat | why the fuck did you name it --test? |
| 04:53.22 | abrotman | alus: rm "--test" ? |
| 04:53.30 | Russo017 | 2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 04:53.34 | alus | abrotman: some deal |
| 04:53.47 | abrotman | alus: guess you're stuck with a retarded file |
| 04:53.48 | alus | travisat: command line mistake, parameter after filename |
| 04:53.56 | abrotman | alus: what WM are you using |
| 04:53.56 | abrotman | ? |
| 04:54.01 | Russo017 | ? |
| 04:54.01 | alus | ? |
| 04:54.04 | Russo017 | wuts wm |
| 04:54.05 | alus | this is bash |
| 04:54.10 | inc|freaky | windowmamanager |
| 04:54.12 | travisat | bash is great |
| 04:54.12 | abrotman | try mc |
| 04:54.13 | Russo017 | me? |
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| 04:54.16 | Russo017 | i use gnome |
| 04:54.24 | alus | mc? |
| 04:54.29 | abrotman | Russo017: are you from .us ? |
| 04:54.34 | travisat | midnight-commander |
| 04:54.39 | Russo017 | im in the us im not from it ;) |
| 04:54.41 | travisat | he's here to save the day!!!! |
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| 04:54.54 | ireverentReveren | how do i uninitialize a md device for use with software raid? |
| 04:55.06 | travisat | ireverentReveren: how many times have you asked that today? |
| 04:55.09 | sanxiyn | alus: Try rm -- --test |
| 04:55.18 | ireverentReveren | not a whole lot |
| 04:55.26 | sanxiyn | alus: -- terminates option list. |
| 04:55.27 | Russo017 | i had alot of shit with that too but im trying to get linux working as it is right now |
| 04:55.31 | travisat | ireverentReveren: I have seen it before several times |
| 04:55.42 | abrotman | or maybe unlink ? |
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| 04:55.46 | travisat | ireverentReveren: good luck on figuring it out though |
| 04:55.55 | alus | yeah perl unlink() worked |
| 04:55.58 | ireverentReveren | meh, not like i am the only one asking more than once. At least i wait an hour or so between asking |
| 04:56.05 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
| 04:56.08 | abrotman | alus: i meant the system command unlink |
| 04:56.08 | sanxiyn | alus: Well, -- is simple. |
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| 04:56.25 | alus | sanxiyn: you're right, and it works, I just got to perl first |
| 04:56.31 | travisat | ireverentReveren++ |
| 04:56.40 | sanxiyn | perl++ |
| 04:56.43 | calin | Is there a way to set it up so when an email account recieves an email, it runs a script? |
| 04:57.04 | ireverentReveren | ? |
| 04:57.11 | travisat | calin: probably |
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| 04:58.31 | calin | travisat: Would you know how? |
| 04:58.46 | travisat | calin: nope |
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| 04:59.17 | travisat | !beer scarynetworkguy |
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| 05:00.07 | TecnoVM64 | Hi Everybody, i have a problem because i have 8 users logged on my linuxbox, but really there are only one, how do i clean that /var/run/utmp to erase that not-logged users? |
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| 05:01.07 | russo | wow i learned so much today |
| 05:01.17 | sanxiyn | russo: Hehe |
| 05:01.25 | poli | TecnoVM64, You can always search for their "login" process with a ps -xa and kill them. :) |
| 05:01.35 | sanxiyn | russo: Joy of being newbie. Really. Do you enjoy learning? |
| 05:01.42 | russo | im so happy im learning again with comps |
| 05:01.43 | nvz | I dont know what happened there |
| 05:01.50 | nvz | timed out or something |
| 05:02.03 | mindframe | TecnoVM64: tell them to "logout" or "exit"... little jerks |
| 05:02.04 | TecnoVM64 | poli: it shows a lot of processes running if i do that |
| 05:02.06 | russo | sanxiyn: of course, its just i know windows like the back of my hand |
| 05:02.16 | russo | and it still crashes |
| 05:02.21 | russo | no fault of mine |
| 05:02.22 | poli | TecnoVM64, how about ps -xa | grep login |
| 05:02.34 | russo | this time it was power during boot up and the registry flopped out |
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| 05:02.38 | TecnoVM64 | Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 05:02.53 | inc|freaky | < |
| 05:02.55 | mindframe | no - needed |
| 05:03.09 | sanxiyn | russo: Well, there's hell lot many things to learn in Windows, too. Linux, too. In the end, computer is a tool. |
| 05:03.10 | poli | TecnoVM64, ok it has been some years that - is deprecated, I am old style, forgive me... lol |
| 05:03.25 | TecnoVM64 | lol ok |
| 05:03.30 | poli | TecnoVM64, Better yet, look for their shell or simply |grep <terminal> for their terminal |
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| 05:03.55 | russo | THERES ONLY ONE THING MY SYSTEM IS MISSING: I have 2 36.7GB raptors (SATA 8MB Cache, 10,000rpm) i want to make the raid0 and bootable so i can chuck my 20.0GB WD (2mb cache 7200rpm) |
| 05:04.05 | mindframe | TecnoVM64: "grep sshd:" for remote logins |
| 05:04.14 | russo | anyone have anything good on that |
| 05:04.24 | TecnoVM64 | it does nothing |
| 05:04.55 | poli | russo, you really need the speed? |
| 05:05.00 | russo | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 05:05.06 | russo | no i really need the space |
| 05:05.10 | russo | of the two of them |
| 05:05.19 | poli | russo, Can't you just split? |
| 05:05.26 | russo | 36.7+36.7 |
| 05:05.31 | russo | i'd rather not |
| 05:05.35 | russo | i have 20 GBS music |
| 05:05.43 | russo | and i want to make a windows2000 boot too |
| 05:05.46 | poli | russo, Okay. Spliting is not bad. Remeber that. |
| 05:05.48 | russo | so i can play games |
| 05:05.51 | russo | i knwo |
| 05:06.02 | TecnoVM64 | erm... can anybody help meh? |
| 05:06.09 | russo | wait first things first |
| 05:06.12 | poli | TecnoVM64, Did you ps xa |grep bash |
| 05:06.13 | russo | thats kind of hard |
| 05:06.35 | russo | DOES ANYONE KNOW how to get an audigy 2 zs up and running. cuz i dont have sound :( |
| 05:06.39 | poli | russo, If you don't need the speed, I strongly recomend you not to do that. |
| 05:06.45 | TecnoVM64 | poli: ok it shows something |
| 05:06.50 | poli | TecnoVM64, Good. |
| 05:06.57 | alus | !caps |
| 05:06.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, caps is Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put _* on both sides of them. |
| 05:07.00 | TecnoVM64 | but what do i do with that? |
| 05:07.18 | npx | WTFBBQ? |
| 05:07.19 | poli | TecnoVM64, Now get the terminals you want (you will probably kill yourself once or twice before getting it right) and kill the pid. |
| 05:07.36 | russo | poli: do you know how to get audigy running on debian |
| 05:08.11 | poli | russo, Always remember: if you merge two hard drivers, the resulting reliability will be the sum of the probability of error of both. |
| 05:08.17 | TecnoVM64 | poli: how? :/ |
| 05:08.19 | poli | russo, sorry, no. :( |
| 05:08.28 | guestish | in bit torrent what is sparse file allocation, and does ext3 or xfs support it? |
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| 05:09.07 | poli | TecnoVM64, Can you see a weird number in the beggining of the line? type kill -9 and list all the numbers. You will kill your active terminal too, but someday you will learn how no to do that. :) |
| 05:09.12 | De_Mon | guestish its not a filesystem specific allocation method (all fs' support it) |
| 05:09.20 | calin | Does anyone know how to set a trigger up so when i recieve an email in a local emailbox, it runs a scripts? |
| 05:09.21 | guestish | De_Mon: what is it? |
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| 05:09.40 | poli | calin, man procmail |
| 05:09.42 | sanxiyn | !tell russo about repeat |
| 05:09.53 | calin | thank you poli |
| 05:10.36 | De_Mon | guestish its the order that blocks are put on the disk, it tells the fs to reserve the complete filesize and then saves the blocks in the order they are received (high fragmentation) |
| 05:10.55 | guestish | De_Mon: so it isnt good? |
| 05:11.00 | bn1 | does anyone know if there is a .deb package for x.org? |
| 05:11.07 | guestish | De_Mon: i thought that was preallocate |
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| 05:11.34 | adjacent | is there a set of man pages loaded onto a wiki somewhere where people can post more info and examples? that would be handy |
| 05:11.39 | russo | sanxiyn: i dont mean to spam its just some time i overlook the answer or somes response |
| 05:11.48 | TecnoVM64 | poli: it doesn't work |
| 05:12.03 | poli | guestish, every high fragmentation client I have seen always reserve space for the entire file, and allocates the received block therein. I guess your client does that too. |
| 05:12.24 | poli | TecnoVM64, paste the result of your ps xa |grep bash in #flood |
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| 05:12.44 | russo | guys since i am knew where is the best way to find something like a driver install and to see if there is an apt-get for it? |
| 05:12.49 | russo | here* |
| 05:12.51 | ArtVandalae | aNaSTaCia_geBeri is spam bot |
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| 05:12.59 | russo | what* |
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| 05:13.13 | ArtVandalae | !op aNaSTaCia_geBeri is a spam bot |
| 05:13.13 | dpkg | okay, ArtVandalae |
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| 05:14.37 | russo | whats the linux equivalent of ipconfig??? |
| 05:14.43 | poli | russo, ifconfig |
| 05:14.44 | jim | ifconfuig |
| 05:14.54 | dondelelcaro | russo: the windows equivalent of ifconfig is ipconfig |
| 05:15.00 | jim | miss pelld |
| 05:15.06 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Indeed. |
| 05:15.09 | poli | dondelelcaro, better yet. ;) |
| 05:15.24 | russo | dendelelcaro equivalent is eqaul ;) but i know what u mean |
| 05:15.56 | TecnoVM64 | poli: look in flood |
| 05:16.09 | russo | hmm |
| 05:16.13 | russo | i typed ifconfig |
| 05:16.22 | russo | in terminal and it came back with nothing |
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| 05:16.40 | dondelelcaro | russo: it's /sbin/ifconfig; most likely. |
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| 05:16.54 | solomonn | antialiasing has broken for me. anyone know what i can do or where i can rtfm? |
| 05:17.09 | russo | cool thank you |
| 05:17.09 | sanxiyn | solomonn: broken in what way? |
| 05:17.19 | poli | russo, you must be root to be able to change, so usually /sbin isn't in normal users' path |
| 05:17.28 | solomonn | sanxiyn: won't AA my freesans and freemono at 8 points |
| 05:17.42 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: my ibook's uptime is 29 days. (= |
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| 05:17.47 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: nice |
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| 05:17.51 | solomonn | it looks kinda ok at 10 points, but 10 points is too big.. and i can't really tell if it's AA's at 10 pt. or if it just looks better at that size |
| 05:18.02 | swatikiss | how can i go back to a certain version of wine ? |
| 05:18.03 | dondelelcaro | deadcat_: the g4 here has only been up 12 days... |
| 05:18.11 | russo | is there a good site for linux basics like excercises or something or is it pick it up as you go |
| 05:18.11 | DrFooMod2 | does the stock kernel in testing have support for a usb key/. |
| 05:18.12 | DrFooMod2 | ? |
| 05:18.12 | dondelelcaro | swatikiss: use sdn and downgrade. |
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| 05:18.32 | dondelelcaro | DrFooMod2: stock kernel? That doesn't mean what you think it means. |
| 05:18.36 | solomonn | sanxiyn: i completely reinstalled sid when i got this new hd, and it worked. then i screwed with the partitions and completely reinstalled again, and now it no longer works :) |
| 05:18.41 | holycow | russo, google |
| 05:18.52 | DrFooMod2 | dondelelcaro: i mean the kernel provided w/ sarge off the netboot cd |
| 05:19.09 | mxldr | hey- why is debian making a BSD version? |
| 05:19.22 | mxldr | what is faster? linux or BSD? |
| 05:19.34 | holycow | that project shut down recently |
| 05:19.38 | solomonn | yes |
| 05:19.40 | solomonn | hehe |
| 05:19.44 | mxldr | really? |
| 05:19.46 | poli | mxldr, hum. depends. the only answer to that kind of question is... depends. :) |
| 05:19.46 | solomonn | holycow: really |
| 05:19.47 | solomonn | hehe |
| 05:19.48 | mxldr | how'd it shut down? |
| 05:19.57 | mxldr | poli: how so? |
| 05:20.02 | holycow | mxldr, depends how you measure speed |
| 05:20.02 | sanxiyn | holycow: Huh? |
| 05:20.15 | mxldr | i use linux (debian), but i've never tried BSD |
| 05:20.29 | mxldr | holycow: like apache performance? |
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| 05:20.37 | peej | is it possible to patent GPL software? If so, isn't that a way of locking the code? |
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| 05:20.39 | bn1 | Can one get xorg working on debian? |
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| 05:20.44 | reaper_ | what's the task name for installing X? |
| 05:20.48 | peej | cafuego: I build a kewl new compressed video codec which is so good everyone wants to use it (like mp3 format when it first came out). It is GPL. And I patent it. Is there anything that prevents me from doing so (assuming it is novel, no prior art etc)? |
| 05:20.52 | peej | urgh. s/eg/cafuego/ |
| 05:20.56 | sanxiyn | What shut down? |
| 05:20.58 | holycow | mxldr, google it :) |
| 05:20.59 | poli | mxldr, Well, from my personal experience, BSD kernels used to get my fan to work less than linux's... but performance was pretty equivalent. |
| 05:21.00 | dondelelcaro | peej: yes, but it's not like it matters. |
| 05:21.03 | solomonn | aNaSTaCia_geBeri just porn spammed me |
| 05:21.03 | sanxiyn | I think Debian-BSD is going on, slowly. |
| 05:21.07 | mxldr | you google it |
| 05:21.22 | holycow | sanxiyn, the author posted something recently that there is no point |
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| 05:21.29 | sanxiyn | holycow: Ah. Robert Millan? |
| 05:21.31 | hazard | how do i change the keymap settings for the console? ie, not X |
| 05:21.44 | sanxiyn | holycow: Any link? |
| 05:21.45 | holycow | debian security seems to be as good as bsd security or some such, not sure exactly, there was an article on it recently |
| 05:21.50 | peej | dondelelcaro : why doesn't it matter? |
| 05:22.09 | mxldr | this is way off topic, but how much does HP-UX cost? |
| 05:22.11 | CyzarX | hwo can i check my hardware temperature in debian? |
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| 05:22.17 | holycow | mxldr, google it |
| 05:22.18 | sanxiyn | holycow: ???? |
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| 05:22.25 | solomonn | CyzarX: with a thermometer :) |
| 05:22.28 | De_Mon | lmsensors |
| 05:22.31 | sanxiyn | holycow: Well, now I have Robert Millan's todo list for stable GNU/kFreeBSD. |
| 05:22.37 | streuner_ | CyzarX: install lm-sensors |
| 05:22.40 | mxldr | and why would anyone buy like an AIX or HP-UX or solaris when linux and bsd are free? |
| 05:22.41 | holycow | sanxiyn, google it, waddya want me to say, i'm just relaying what i read in an article |
| 05:22.43 | sanxiyn | holycow: Apparently, there's nothing like shutting down going on. |
| 05:22.46 | maher | peej: if you patent it it can't be gpl |
| 05:22.46 | sanxiyn | holycow: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/glibc-bsd-devel/2005-February/000364.html |
| 05:22.47 | calin | nevermind |
| 05:22.49 | calin | i figured it out |
| 05:22.59 | holycow | sanxiyn, then the article was wrong? |
| 05:23.05 | sanxiyn | holycow: Some people are working (furiouslyl) on it, so it's not dead by definition. |
| 05:23.09 | sanxiyn | holycow: Yes, I guess it's wrong. |
| 05:23.18 | peej | maher: why? |
| 05:23.22 | holycow | ehe, k. :) |
| 05:23.29 | maher | peej: actually i take that back - it would be gpl but probably undistributable |
| 05:23.48 | sanxiyn | I heard that Debian/FreeBSD recently succeeded debootstrap, and one developer is using it on daily basis. |
| 05:23.55 | hazard | changing keymap settings for tty? suggestions? |
| 05:24.00 | solomonn | not bad |
| 05:24.02 | reaper_ | which is the better X to use these days, X11 or xfree86? |
| 05:24.04 | maher | peej: because other people wouldn't be allowed to use it without your express permission |
| 05:24.12 | sanxiyn | reaper_: Huh |
| 05:24.15 | CyzarX | streuner_, lm-sensors only have for kernel 2.4.27 but im using kernel 2.6.8 |
| 05:24.26 | reaper_ | didnt they break into two groups |
| 05:24.28 | reaper_ | or something |
| 05:24.43 | dondelelcaro | peej: the GPL is almost silent on patents. however, when you grant someone a license to use GPLed covered code, GPL 7 would seemingly cover that |
| 05:24.45 | peej | maher: ok, so you sell it MS style. |
| 05:24.45 | ArtVandalae | maher, but isn't one of the terms of the GPL that it has to be distributable? |
| 05:24.48 | hazard | you're thinking of x.org reaper_ |
| 05:24.56 | reaper_ | yeah |
| 05:25.02 | reaper_ | is that one better? |
| 05:25.04 | streuner_ | CyzarX: well, iam using actually 2.6.9 |
| 05:25.09 | sanxiyn | Also see http://www.nongnu.org/glibc-bsd/ |
| 05:25.25 | sanxiyn | Q. Why are you doing all this? A. Each developer has his/her own motivations, but if someone is working on GNU/k*BSD it typicaly just means the obvious: he/she likes GNU userland and also likes *BSD's kernels. |
| 05:25.34 | intrade | 2.6.11 is latest kernel |
| 05:25.34 | maher | peej: in order to distribute gpl code you need to ensure the receivers have certain freedom's to use/redistribute - but this doesn't work for stuff covered by patent |
| 05:25.45 | CyzarX | streuner_, what do u mean? which version of lm-sensors u using? |
| 05:26.02 | streuner_ | CyzarX: well, just install an official debian kernel, all of them support lm-sensors |
| 05:26.07 | CyzarX | streuner_, i got that lm-sensors for kernel 2.4.27 using apt-cache search |
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| 05:26.22 | maher | peej: you could distribute it as gpl as long as you gave all recievers the rights to use the patent |
| 05:26.42 | sanxiyn | maher: True. |
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| 05:27.12 | solomonn | how does *BSD do on new hardware issues |
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| 05:27.20 | peej | maher: splendid. |
| 05:27.21 | sanxiyn | solomonn: Quite well. |
| 05:27.35 | solomonn | for instance, do they have NCQ support for SATA2 drives yet? :) |
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| 05:27.38 | bob2 | the GPL is deliberately quiet on patents |
| 05:27.49 | bob2 | it's not a software license's role to play patent games |
| 05:28.01 | solomonn | i don't have one.. but i was thinking about getting one and decided not to since there wasn't linux support yet anyway |
| 05:28.02 | maher | hopefully sw patents will just die at some point anyway |
| 05:28.11 | bob2 | solomonn: #freebsed would know |
| 05:28.28 | solomonn | bob2: yeah it's to trivial to ask them though :) |
| 05:28.41 | holycow | maher, in america doubtfull |
| 05:28.47 | peej | bob2: but it is pretty explicit that patented GPL software is licenced to all users. |
| 05:28.48 | bob2 | but asking in #debian seems more sensible? |
| 05:28.57 | bob2 | peej: ok |
| 05:28.57 | alus | "the following held packages will be changed" ? |
| 05:28.59 | sanxiyn | solomonn: FreeBSD recently got many new DRI supports in X.org. Good for them. |
| 05:28.59 | solomonn | instead i'll ask again in case anybody notices me asking where i can rtfm to get AA fonts unbroken :) |
| 05:29.00 | holycow | i don't see the american population fighting to take their country back from corporate clutches |
| 05:29.12 | alus | I put a hold on them because I don't want them to be changed |
| 05:29.20 | maher | holycow: the us patent system is reasonably broken - even corporations are starting to complain |
| 05:29.23 | solomonn | bob2: it's just the discussion that happens to be going on now and i was curious |
| 05:29.26 | peej | bob2: heh, I'm arguing against BSD on this point. |
| 05:29.31 | bob2 | alus: is that when running dist-upgrade? |
| 05:29.36 | peej | bob2 : on slashdot |
| 05:29.43 | holycow | maher, to me it seems broken in such a way that it's generated an arms race |
| 05:29.43 | alus | no, apt-get install nonheldpackage |
| 05:29.51 | holycow | and arms race usually ends in unpleasant situations |
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| 05:30.06 | bob2 | alus: then it seems it depends on something you held |
| 05:30.13 | bob2 | a newer version than you have, no less |
| 05:30.17 | bob2 | peej: ah |
| 05:30.22 | holycow | arms race in the software industry that is |
| 05:30.29 | maher | holycow: i think business method patents are deeply stupid and will lead to eventual reform of some sort |
| 05:30.31 | alus | sure, then I want the version of that package that depends on the version that I have |
| 05:30.45 | bob2 | alus: except apt doesn't work like that |
| 05:30.49 | bob2 | nor does Debian |
| 05:30.50 | holycow | maher, the problem is eventually |
| 05:30.57 | bob2 | alus: why do you have things on hold? |
| 05:30.59 | solomonn | maher: they can't reform patents. somebody patented reform. |
| 05:31.06 | nevyn | maher: I dunno there are business ideas that were truely revolutionary. the concept of franchises for instance. |
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| 05:31.11 | holycow | from up here, i see the 'boiling frog' experiment. if you turn up the heat ever so slowly the frog doesn't notice |
| 05:31.19 | nevyn | maher: but otoh there are stupid things like one-click |
| 05:31.20 | holycow | i dont see anyone south of the border noticing |
| 05:31.23 | holycow | bush afterall won |
| 05:31.25 | solomonn | holycow: that technique is patented too |
| 05:31.29 | mwilson | alus: You specified a single operation. As described in the documentation, apt-get quite properly assumes you mean that operation to complete. |
| 05:31.34 | holycow | lol solomonn |
| 05:31.39 | alus | because somewhere in the switch from xserver-xfree86 4.1 with xlibmesa3 to xserver-xfree86 with xlibmesa-gl, my gl performance drops 10x |
| 05:31.42 | peej | reamtS: gpl : moglen and stallman, they really thought it through. |
| 05:31.47 | mwilson | alus: If it cannot without changing a held package... well, too bad for the held package. |
| 05:31.54 | peej | s/reamts/re:/ |
| 05:31.54 | bob2 | alus: which bug # is this? |
| 05:32.08 | sanxiyn | Heh, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libpmount0.0 |
| 05:32.19 | alus | I don't know how to submit a bug about it, I'm not sure which package it applies to |
| 05:32.41 | mwilson | Sounds more like you're switching to software rendering. |
| 05:32.44 | bob2 | alus: then read the XFree86 README.Debian or the Debian X FAQ which explains how |
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| 05:32.49 | solomonn | alus: have you poured over your X log to see if some module failed to load |
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| 05:33.30 | alus | everything is working properly, it's just going very slow |
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| 05:33.38 | bob2 | which sounds like what mwilson said |
| 05:33.42 | alus | bob2: where? |
| 05:33.51 | mwilson | Why do I bother? |
| 05:33.52 | bob2 | regardless, how can it ever be fixed if you don't tell someone? |
| 05:34.25 | russo | nighty night people |
| 05:34.30 | russo | thanks for your help |
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| 05:34.38 | bob2 | alus: http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debugmesadri |
| 05:34.44 | alus | actually, I'm on software rendering the whole time - the SGI glx driver is just a mesa wrapper. if I switch to mesa on 4.1 I get slow performance - on 4.3 the speed is the same on the SGI driver as on mesa |
| 05:34.47 | russo | i'll be back tommorow for more learning |
| 05:34.51 | russo | ;) |
| 05:35.11 | bob2 | cya then |
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| 05:35.38 | pauliukas | I need some basic "screen" help. |
| 05:35.38 | bn1 | Does anyone have Xorg working on there deb machine? |
| 05:35.44 | pauliukas | Is anyone good with it? |
| 05:35.46 | alus | xhtml? I can't view that |
| 05:35.53 | mwilson | alus: Oh? Why not? |
| 05:35.57 | ArtVandalae | alus, what browser? |
| 05:36.00 | alus | IE |
| 05:36.03 | pauliukas | lol |
| 05:36.05 | ArtVandalae | o_O |
| 05:36.08 | bob2 | pauliukas: best to just ask your question |
| 05:36.14 | bob2 | alus: er, it will work fine |
| 05:36.19 | mwilson | bn1: There's really no reason to bother with it. |
| 05:36.23 | alus | no, it tries to save the file |
| 05:36.24 | pauliukas | I want to reconnect to detached consoles (SSH sessions). |
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| 05:36.32 | bob2 | pauliukas: screen -ls |
| 05:36.38 | bob2 | pauliukas: will show the available sessions |
| 05:36.47 | pauliukas | and then after, what command I use? |
| 05:36.51 | bob2 | pauliukas: then 'screen -R blah-bleh' to reconnect. get the name from the ls output. |
| 05:36.52 | mwilson | alus: <shrug> So use Mozilla. |
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| 05:37.30 | pauliukas | Hmm... It shows me only one console, while 'who' shows me 5 |
| 05:37.33 | sanxiyn | bob2: screen -r |
| 05:37.39 | pauliukas | alus: www.getfirefox.com ;-) |
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| 05:37.48 | bob2 | sanxiyn: if you only have one |
| 05:37.55 | bob2 | pauliukas: right |
| 05:38.05 | bob2 | who probably lists each screen window as a seperate login |
| 05:38.05 | sanxiyn | bob2: Eh, that's reversed. -r <name>, and -R. |
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| 05:38.29 | mwilson | bn1: Did I invite you to /msg me and I just don't remember it? |
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| 05:38.53 | bob2 | oh. |
| 05:38.56 | alus | are you seriously telling me to get a different browser? |
| 05:39.00 | pauliukas | bob2: So how can I retrieve these sessions? |
| 05:39.02 | bob2 | I use -R with names all the time |
| 05:39.17 | bob2 | pauliukas: if they're windows, then ctrl-a " in screen |
| 05:39.21 | pauliukas | alus: Check your IE security sessions. They have a setting to disalow rendering of XHTML pages |
| 05:39.25 | bob2 | alus: what else do you want us to do? |
| 05:39.28 | mwilson | alus: It seems a rather simple choice... IE doesn't do what you need it to do, replace it with a tool that will. |
| 05:39.46 | mwilson | alus: EVER so much more productive than complaining about how it won't. |
| 05:40.13 | pauliukas | bob2: I'm connecting to that Linux box via SSH. None of these keys repond |
| 05:40.18 | ArtVandalae | Yep, also look into Opera is Firefox doesn't float your boat |
| 05:40.36 | ArtVandalae | s/is/if/ |
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| 05:40.42 | bob2 | pauliukas: well, ok |
| 05:40.47 | bob2 | maybe the 'who' output is wrong then |
| 05:40.48 | pauliukas | But Opera isn't open source |
| 05:40.53 | Vme- | i'm having trouble mounting my USB external HD |
| 05:40.53 | sanxiyn | Opera good, except ad. |
| 05:40.56 | Vme- | any advice? |
| 05:40.56 | mwilson | pauliukas: So? |
| 05:40.58 | sanxiyn | pauliukas: So? |
| 05:40.59 | solomonn | firefox |
| 05:41.00 | bob2 | tho I'm pretty sure screen will show the window screen anyway |
| 05:41.04 | Vme- | debian:/mnt# mount /dev/sda /mnt |
| 05:41.04 | Vme- | mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device |
| 05:41.10 | bob2 | lordy, chill out people |
| 05:41.25 | bob2 | Vme-: are you sure that's the right device? |
| 05:41.25 | vipersniper | try /dev/sda1 |
| 05:41.29 | pauliukas | bob2: Well, I've had two sessions open. I've had a network connection problem and SSH simply closed |
| 05:41.39 | bob2 | Vme-: also, it's highly likely you want to mount a partition on it, not the disk itself |
| 05:41.42 | pauliukas | in w, I can still see the processes running |
| 05:41.55 | Vme- | sda1 gives the same error |
| 05:41.59 | pauliukas | mwilson, sanxiyn: So... I like Open Source :-) |
| 05:42.04 | bob2 | pauliukas: so 'screen -ls' only shows one session? |
| 05:42.09 | bob2 | Vme-: then sda is the wrong device |
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| 05:42.15 | vipersniper | Vme-, try fdisk -l |
| 05:42.19 | sanxiyn | pauliukas: That's fine, but it's not like you can easily hack Gecko, even with source. |
| 05:42.20 | bob2 | Vme-: or you're missing kernel support, etc |
| 05:42.29 | mwilson | I like open source too. But it's certainly not any deciding factor in whether I use a particular tool or not. |
| 05:42.30 | pauliukas | bob2: There is a screen on: |
| 05:42.30 | pauliukas | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.30 | pauliukas | 1 Socket in /tmp/screens/S-root. |
| 05:42.30 | bob2 | Vme-: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 05:42.31 | bob2 | sanxiyn: haha |
| 05:42.31 | Vme- | no, i have it compiled into the kernel |
| 05:42.48 | Vme- | debian:/mnt# uname -r |
| 05:42.48 | Vme- | 2.6.10.022705.1 |
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| 05:42.50 | bob2 | pauliukas: 'screen -DDD -R 2480.pts-2.ROUTE' |
| 05:42.56 | bob2 | er, spelt correctly |
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| 05:43.01 | bob2 | Vme-: for a start, use a Debian kernel |
| 05:43.08 | bob2 | guessing what you forgot is no fun for anyone |
| 05:43.22 | vipersniper | Vme-, does if "fdisk -l" show your sda partition |
| 05:43.24 | pauliukas | lol. SSH just closed the Window |
| 05:43.43 | Vme- | that is a debian kernel |
| 05:43.44 | Vme- | /dev/hda2 56680 58168 750456 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 05:43.48 | pauliukas | Guess I'll have to cope with this mystery of Linux :- |
| 05:43.52 | Vme- | i dont' think that is it |
| 05:43.55 | pauliukas | * :-/ |
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| 05:44.06 | bob2 | Vme-: no, it's not |
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| 05:44.28 | bob2 | vipersniper: that won't help unless (s)he uses the right device |
| 05:44.29 | Vme- | vipersniper, no it just shows my /dev/hda* |
| 05:44.35 | pauliukas | bob2: Oh wait. It clkosed all sessions. right? |
| 05:44.46 | bob2 | pauliukas: closed? it detached them, yeah. |
| 05:44.57 | bob2 | pauliukas: sorry, misinterpreted what you meant by "two sessions" earlier |
| 05:44.58 | pauliukas | Now I see no users logged in |
| 05:45.04 | Vme- | then what kernel is it? |
| 05:45.11 | bob2 | Vme-: it's one you built yourself |
| 05:45.15 | bob2 | with some unknown configuration |
| 05:45.15 | Vme- | of course |
| 05:45.24 | bob2 | if you use the Debian 2.6.10 kernel-image, this will work |
| 05:45.31 | bob2 | or at least have well-defined failure modes |
| 05:45.36 | pauliukas | Well, that does the trick. I've just though that maybe Linux was powerful enough to be able to reconnect in sessions |
| 05:45.40 | bob2 | right now we don't even know if you have USB support or not |
| 05:45.44 | Vme- | well, i included USB support in my kernel |
| 05:45.49 | bob2 | pauliukas: er, it has nothing at all to do with linux |
| 05:45.52 | bob2 | pauliukas: and yes, screen can |
| 05:45.57 | pauliukas | Then how |
| 05:46.09 | Vme- | Feb 27 23:35:02 localhost kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 05:46.09 | Vme- | Feb 27 23:35:02 localhost usb.agent[8824]: usb-storage: loaded successfully |
| 05:46.09 | Vme- | Feb 27 23:35:07 localhost kernel: Vendor: IC25N040 Model: ATCS04-0 Rev: CA4O |
| 05:46.09 | Vme- | F |
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| 05:46.13 | bob2 | idiot |
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| 05:46.18 | Vme- | lol, woops |
| 05:46.18 | vipersniper | Vme-, need scsi support |
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| 05:46.20 | bob2 | pauliukas: -D the session you want to disconnect |
| 05:46.22 | pauliukas | Is there a command where I could use to reconnect to, oh, pts/1 |
| 05:46.33 | bob2 | pauliukas: you can't reconnect random ptys |
| 05:46.37 | bob2 | only screen sessions |
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| 05:46.40 | pauliukas | ah |
| 05:46.51 | Vme- | i have scsci support compiled in |
| 05:46.56 | pauliukas | How do I open a screen session (so I could restore of anything happens)? |
| 05:46.56 | nevyn | bob2: it'd be neat if you could tho. |
| 05:47.23 | Vme- | Feb 27 23:35:07 localhost scsi.agent[8975]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.3/usb2/2-2/2-2:2.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0 |
| 05:47.35 | bob2 | nevyn: yeah |
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| 05:47.43 | bob2 | pauliukas: create a new one? 'screen'. |
| 05:47.45 | calin | does anyone else know a way to set it up so taht when you recieve an email to a local emailbox it causes a script to execute? |
| 05:47.56 | bob2 | calin: er, use procmail? |
| 05:48.06 | pauliukas | ok |
| 05:48.06 | bob2 | calin: have you told your MTA to use procmail yet? |
| 05:48.25 | mwilson | calin: /etc/aliases |
| 05:48.25 | Desiac | can anyone suggest a package similar to Hyper Terminal, needing to configure switch from gnome or console |
| 05:48.31 | alus | pauliukas: I can't find this option, can you be more specific? |
| 05:48.37 | ApEtc | Desiac: minicom perhaps |
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| 05:48.41 | calin | bob2: I have been messing around with procmail for like half an hour, and all I've succeeded in doing is causing dropped emails |
| 05:48.47 | Desiac | apetc: thnx |
| 05:48.50 | calin | bob2: so I'm assuming my mta is using procmail |
| 05:48.57 | bob2 | calin: don't use it on a live account |
| 05:49.08 | calin | bob2: I'm not, i'm using it on a testing account |
| 05:49.09 | bob2 | Desiac: minicom. |
| 05:49.12 | bob2 | calin: right |
| 05:49.17 | Desiac | bob2: thnx |
| 05:49.18 | nevyn | Desiac: minicom konect or something is the kde gui one. |
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| 05:49.25 | bob2 | calin: if youre using exim, then the existence of ~/.procmailrc is enough to make it use it |
| 05:49.27 | pauliukas | alus: Open 'Internet Settings', go to the 'Privacy' tab, and slide the clider to 'Medium' |
| 05:49.34 | bob2 | calin: you can make procmail log what it does, which is handy |
| 05:49.56 | calin | bob2: I'm using postfix |
| 05:50.00 | nevyn | it must just be me that finds minicom really counter intuitive. |
| 05:50.03 | bob2 | calin: LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/procmail.log |
| 05:50.08 | nevyn | I can use it but it's.. meh. |
| 05:50.16 | calin | bob2: but I don't want to log the emails |
| 05:50.23 | holycow | nevyn, oh your not the only one :) |
| 05:50.23 | holycow | hehe |
| 05:50.25 | bob2 | calin: you want to log what it's doing while you're playing |
| 05:50.32 | alus | pauliukas: no slider, this is xp sp2 IE, where they changed the config some |
| 05:50.42 | pauliukas | alus: I'm on SP2 also |
| 05:50.44 | bob2 | then you want to make a ~/.forward that calls procmail |
| 05:50.47 | pauliukas | I can see a slieder nice and clear |
| 05:50.54 | bob2 | ie: |procmail |
| 05:51.29 | mwilson | bob2: Debian's postfix by default uses procmail as the MDA. |
| 05:51.32 | alus | pauliukas: I see "Custom" in the space where the slider should be |
| 05:51.33 | calin | what do i put in the ~/.procmailrc? |
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| 05:51.47 | bob2 | calin: then just have '| blah' after your match rule to pipe the message to the command blah |
| 05:51.50 | bob2 | mwilson: ah |
| 05:51.53 | bob2 | you have got to be kidding me |
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| 05:51.56 | pauliukas | alus: So push it back to Medium |
| 05:52.00 | mwilson | Not at all. |
| 05:52.09 | bob2 | IE on Windows XP, SP2 cannot handle .xhtml files? |
| 05:52.12 | bob2 | that has got to be a joke. |
| 05:52.25 | mwilson | # command to use to deliver mail |
| 05:52.25 | mwilson | #mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" |
| 05:52.26 | pauliukas | alus: http://img78.exs.cx/img78/6523/untitled0sn.jpg |
| 05:52.36 | bob2 | mwilson: oh, I believe that :) |
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| 05:52.41 | mwilson | I have it using dspam instead. :) |
| 05:52.48 | pauliukas | bob2: IE, SP2, Home Edition, XHTML works five on default settings |
| 05:52.55 | bob2 | hm |
| 05:53.04 | bob2 | even having a setting to break that seems ridiculous |
| 05:53.06 | mwilson | All the Procmail + DSPAM howto(s) on the 'net were written by morons. |
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| 05:53.16 | holycow | mwilson, hehehehe |
| 05:53.30 | calin | >.< My head is spinning. I have the .forward with |procmail in it, but the .procmailrc file should have __? |
| 05:53.39 | MoneyCat | How can I disable suspend mode? |
| 05:53.49 | bob2 | calin: er? man procmailex |
| 05:53.58 | bob2 | calin: that shows the basic format |
| 05:54.02 | mwilson | calin: Unless you've changed something, Postfix is already using procmail. You don't need the forward file. |
| 05:54.13 | calin | mwilson: okay |
| 05:54.15 | bob2 | calin: and I said what do after that, too... |
| 05:54.43 | calin | bob2: well I didn't catch it |
| 05:54.54 | bob2 | 15:51:48 bob2 | calin: then just have '| blah' after your match rule to pipe the message to the command blah |
| 05:55.04 | solomonn | mwilson: anyone who installs debian and doesn't know how an mta works :) |
| 05:55.08 | bob2 | your match rule is something like |
| 05:55.09 | bob2 | :0 |
| 05:55.10 | bob2 | * ^X-Mailing-List.*<debian-mips@lists.debian.org> |
| 05:55.36 | TheMoebius | I'm having some time zone problems. When I set my system time to UTC, mysql's CURTIME() function subtracts 4 hours from the system time. When I set system time to PST, CURTIME() subtracts 8 hours. |
| 05:55.48 | pauliukas | What's the name of a popular defragmentation program for Linux? |
| 05:55.54 | solomonn | somebody needs to rewrite that mta config to be compatible with stupid people |
| 05:55.56 | mwilson | solomonn: No, someone who installs Debian gets a working MTA. Note *his* attempts to break that process, especially since the default is Exim, and he's using Postfix. |
| 05:55.57 | solomonn | (like me) |
| 05:56.07 | mwilson | pauliukas: There isn't one. |
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| 05:56.13 | solomonn | mwilson: yeah, i was just shifting it a bit :) |
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| 05:56.24 | TheMoebius | pauliukas, ext filesystems don't need to defrag. |
| 05:56.30 | alus | pauliukas: hitting "default" brought back the slider. even setting it to "Low" does not let it work |
| 05:56.33 | pauliukas | Someone told me that there was little little fragmentation on Linux |
| 05:56.55 | pauliukas | alus: Do you get any errors when accessing an XHTML page? |
| 05:57.03 | solomonn | mwilson: long ago i installed postfix because i heard it was better. then i realized what do i care if i have a good mta, so i switched to smail :) |
| 05:57.09 | pauliukas | and on what webpage are you accessing these files |
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| 05:57.23 | holycow | pauliukas, i'm not aware of any of the common filesystems needing defrag of any kind, they self correct as you go along |
| 05:58.10 | alus | pauliukas: no errors, just asks me to save the file |
| 05:58.15 | mwilson | People still use smail? |
| 05:58.26 | mwilson | When was the last time smail was updated? |
| 05:58.28 | solomonn | mwilson: sure. cause it's small |
| 05:58.36 | nvz | I was ready for sleep a few hours ago, but after I had talked to family on the phone I am somewhat wire |
| 05:58.38 | pauliukas | Damn. Is Microsoft gonna finnaly implement a better FS in Longhorn? I'm pissed by these long defrags on Windows |
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| 05:58.46 | Thanatermesis | any person used the "video-thumnailer" of the rox-filer ? |
| 05:58.54 | nvz | still tired, just cant seem to sleep as easily as I thought I could earlier |
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| 05:59.05 | pauliukas | alus: It's probabbly the webserver's MIME that's not setup correctly. Not your browser :-) |
| 05:59.05 | holycow | pauliukas, why do you care, just switch to linux and be done with it |
| 05:59.16 | solomonn | mwilson: when i was looking for one that took up minimal resources i found it. if you know of anything that takes less then let me know :) |
| 05:59.17 | pauliukas | holycow: I've tried twice already |
| 05:59.24 | holycow | :) and? |
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| 05:59.36 | hazard | is there a nice bash script that will install radeon drivers? :P |
| 05:59.43 | pauliukas | First time: lack of software and lack of knowledge (Debian) |
| 05:59.47 | nohow | configure xf86config-4 for nvidia geforce. |
| 05:59.56 | nohow | how to do this please? |
| 06:00.00 | holycow | pauliukas, second time? |
| 06:00.08 | Biovore | ? |
| 06:00.14 | pauliukas | Second Time: lack of hardware support, software support, unreliability and slowness (Fedora Core 3) |
| 06:00.17 | Biovore | wong windo |
| 06:00.32 | pauliukas | I have nothing to say about Linux in Servers or Linux in console... |
| 06:00.34 | narg | hrm.. |
| 06:00.43 | solomonn | pauliukas: not that i mind, but, what are you doing here then :) |
| 06:00.58 | pauliukas | but X is definetly the weak part. |
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| 06:01.16 | alus | pauliukas: webserver says application/xhtml+xml which seems right |
| 06:01.17 | nohow | cannot startx. ee no screen bull |
| 06:01.18 | pauliukas | solomonn: Because I like Linux as a server or console OS |
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| 06:02.18 | pauliukas | alus: It should be text/html |
| 06:02.23 | nohow | just need to replace nv with nvidia in driver section of xf86config. dont know how to do this |
| 06:02.23 | pauliukas | Your type is for applications |
| 06:02.36 | alus | my type? |
| 06:03.08 | pauliukas | The type that you've showd |
| 06:03.12 | alus | you mean necrotic.deadbeast.net's type |
| 06:03.18 | reNegad3 | what is the proper way of configuring NIC's with a machine that doesnt have a DM??? at the moment I have been editing the /etc/network/interfaces then just restarting /etc/init.d/networking...... |
| 06:03.23 | pauliukas | alus: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/ |
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| 06:03.48 | bob2 | reNegad3: that's the way to do it |
| 06:03.51 | reNegad3 | I just have the essential packages (its a clean install) |
| 06:03.54 | reNegad3 | hrmmm |
| 06:04.12 | Gwildor | EvanCarroll, hello? |
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| 06:04.27 | solomonn | ok, i think i'll leave soon and completely purge all of X |
| 06:04.31 | solomonn | then reinstall it |
| 06:04.33 | Gwildor | EvanCarr1ll, hello? |
| 06:04.35 | nvz | oh well getting into techsupport is just gonna get my gears moving more and keep me up I guess like the phone conversation did.. maybe I should go away |
| 06:04.43 | solomonn | just in hopes that my AA fonts will come back |
| 06:04.45 | alus | so IE is doing the right thing here, and there's no reason for me to switch browsers |
| 06:04.47 | reNegad3 | bob2, it seems like its not working that way, because when I try to ping another machine it has no response |
| 06:04.52 | solomonn | :~( |
| 06:05.11 | reNegad3 | on the other hand if I reboot it will |
| 06:05.19 | reNegad3 | which I dont want to everytime |
| 06:05.33 | reNegad3 | and I thought that was the beauty of Linux ;) |
| 06:05.46 | reNegad3 | so I must be doing something wrong |
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| 06:06.11 | bob2 | reNegad3: that just means it's setup wrong |
| 06:06.13 | Gwildor | ok guys, i have 2 (im sure, easy) questions/problems |
| 06:07.08 | reNegad3 | bob2, in which way do you mean its setup wrong?? like configuring the of the network? |
| 06:07.29 | Gwildor | 1: my vieable area is alot smaller than my screen. 2:if i launch synaptic, and mark a package (for install or removal) synaptic exits (crashes), i will pos the output when needed |
| 06:07.31 | bob2 | reNegad3: if you can't ping other machines, and the cable is fine, it means you've setup your network config on that machine incorrectly |
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| 06:08.01 | Gwildor | eeek, no output |
| 06:08.14 | nohow | I have a question which will be very easy for you to answer. |
| 06:08.33 | nohow | I have an error on start of xwindow session first woody install of debian |
| 06:08.34 | reNegad3 | bob2, im sure that I have configured it correctly, but it needs a reboot |
| 06:08.42 | bob2 | reNegad3: no |
| 06:08.50 | bob2 | you don't need to reboot to modify network settings, ever |
| 06:08.57 | bob2 | (unless you hit a kernel bug) |
| 06:08.57 | pauliukas | What does 'cached memory' do? |
| 06:09.07 | bob2 | pauliukas: cache files from disk |
| 06:09.16 | nohow | I have a driver problem cannot install for some reason nvidia-glx |
| 06:09.24 | bob2 | pauliukas: since RAM is about a 1000 times faster than disk to access stuff, it's good to keep it in ram if possible |
| 06:09.29 | pauliukas | bob2: Will it go into swap if it overpasses? |
| 06:09.38 | pauliukas | or will it inteligently manage the space of RAM |
| 06:09.47 | bob2 | pauliukas: the kernel is smart about it |
| 06:09.53 | bob2 | if a program wants ram, cache will be thrown out |
| 06:09.59 | pauliukas | Damn! Linux is Smart |
| 06:10.07 | pauliukas | I think I've fall in love with cached memory |
| 06:10.21 | pauliukas | 'Now, why doesn't Windows have that?' |
| 06:10.25 | bob2 | it does |
| 06:10.30 | bob2 | every OS does |
| 06:10.43 | pauliukas | well I don't see it to have that |
| 06:10.59 | nohow | you folk must be too smart for this problem. |
| 06:11.03 | bob2 | it no doubt calls it something like SuperGoldEditionCacheMasterManager or something |
| 06:11.04 | pauliukas | I only see Windows using 30% of my PageFile while I've got 800mb of RAM free |
| 06:11.08 | poli | pauliukas, every OS that implements disk cache in RAM uses different algorithms. |
| 06:11.09 | bob2 | nohow: please don't do that |
| 06:11.19 | bob2 | pauliukas: linux will use swap even when it has cached stuff |
| 06:11.36 | bob2 | pauliukas: because often it's better to swap out parts of programs and use that space for disk cache |
| 06:11.41 | pauliukas | bob2: But why use it if there's space on RAM? |
| 06:11.51 | poli | pauliukas, For cache. |
| 06:11.52 | bob2 | say, OO...you don't need it *all* in RAM at the one time |
| 06:11.57 | pauliukas | oh |
| 06:12.16 | bob2 | you're better off swapping part of it out and using that memory to cache your documents |
| 06:12.20 | bob2 | tho that is a crap example |
| 06:12.30 | bob2 | since most of OO probably won't even be loaded from disk |
| 06:12.32 | poli | pauliukas, Or just... that page is use so rarely that the time the system will spend putting it to disk if it needs to can be saved. :) |
| 06:12.37 | nohow | so i should just be patient. I can do that. |
| 06:12.44 | pauliukas | l |
| 06:12.46 | cafuego | if you disagree, Linus is open to suggestions. You can find his email address on LKML ;-) |
| 06:12.46 | pauliukas | *k |
| 06:12.57 | bob2 | nohow: the basic reason no one answered is because it was far too vague to answer |
| 06:13.07 | asuffield | bob2: windows doesn't normally manage to do this, because current editions of windows normally occupy all memory available on current machines |
| 06:13.14 | bob2 | haha |
| 06:13.16 | asuffield | now, if you were to run nt4 on a modern machine than you might have some luck |
| 06:13.19 | Gwildor | how do i reconfigure my X-server? |
| 06:13.20 | asuffield | but windows lusers never do that |
| 06:13.30 | cafuego | nt4 is crap. long live NT3.5.1! |
| 06:14.20 | bob2 | can you feel the love! |
| 06:14.24 | nohow | I will try again. |
| 06:14.26 | poli | Indeed! |
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| 06:16.55 | nohow | My basic problem is that after installing, when the system attempted to start the GUI for the Xwindows session, the screen flashed on and off times. EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 06:17.05 | bob2 | right |
| 06:17.08 | bob2 | !+setup x |
| 06:17.14 | bob2 | !+lazy x |
| 06:17.14 | dpkg | well, lazy x is 'apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect;dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common;apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common' |
| 06:17.19 | bob2 | try running that |
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| 06:17.48 | shew | Since the last update of evolution to testing 10 days or so ago, I've not been able to send emails to my mailserver. (And the mailserver would get timeout errors on the attempt.) It turns out that everything works fine if I change my mailserver hostname to the hostname by itself, as opposed to using the format "hostname:587". I don't see anything in the BTS about this--is anyone else having problems sending mail via evolution using |
| 06:17.48 | shew | the submission port 587 since a couple weeks ago? |
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| 06:18.27 | nohow | i will try this. I have knoppix disk in now to use internet. but how to save files to disk. Knoppix will not let me save data even in root as superuser. |
| 06:18.28 | bob2 | if you're using ssl, it's fucked |
| 06:18.30 | hacim | when I boot this system, the e100 module is not automatically modprobed at boot, what can I do to fix that? |
| 06:18.35 | bob2 | or maybe not using ssl, I forget |
| 06:18.40 | bob2 | hacim: install hotplug |
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| 06:18.51 | hacim | bob2: thanks |
| 06:18.53 | jm_ | or man modules |
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| 06:21.34 | struct | how do i get faillog to work in debian? |
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| 06:22.02 | shew | (Sorry about that--hope I didn't miss any evolution-related info. ) |
| 06:22.21 | libpcp | hi guys |
| 06:22.24 | jetscreamer | evo is bloato.. there's info |
| 06:22.35 | libpcp | is it possible to disable root login in console? |
| 06:22.39 | libpcp | how can i do that? |
| 06:22.43 | bob2 | libpcp: yes |
| 06:22.46 | struct | /bin/sh: failllog: command not found |
| 06:22.49 | bob2 | set the password to nothing |
| 06:22.50 | solomonn | how do i get ~/.bash_profile to execute when i start gnome-terminal? |
| 06:22.50 | struct | /var/log/faillog: No such file or directory |
| 06:22.54 | solomonn | or ~/.profile, whatever |
| 06:22.56 | struct | how come i get that when i run faillog? |
| 06:23.12 | bob2 | solomonn: make it run your shells as "login shells" |
| 06:23.19 | bob2 | possibly g-t sucks too much to have an option |
| 06:23.31 | poli | libpcp, maybw what you want is /etc/securetty |
| 06:23.33 | bob2 | struct: er, do you have it insyalleD? |
| 06:23.37 | libpcp | bob2: but i still need the root account, is there any option to disable the root login in console? |
| 06:24.02 | solomonn | bob2: aha. thanks |
| 06:24.04 | poli | libpcp, man securetty or take a look at /etc/pam.d/login |
| 06:24.06 | struct | bob2: yes |
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| 06:24.34 | bob2 | libpcp: use sudo |
| 06:25.03 | solomonn | how about an sh test of two strings? |
| 06:25.08 | jm_ | solomonn: no, don't do that - /msg dpkg bashrc |
| 06:25.13 | libpcp | okay thanks guys |
| 06:25.22 | libpcp | bob2 yeah i will try sudo |
| 06:25.49 | solomonn | jm_: yeah, but you gotta have .profile run if you want .bashrc to be run :) |
| 06:25.54 | bob2 | solomonn: man test |
| 06:25.58 | solomonn | jm_: (according to that factoid) |
| 06:26.00 | solomonn | bob2: thanks again :) |
| 06:26.02 | bob2 | solomonn: no you don't |
| 06:26.14 | bob2 | solomonn: man bash, 'INVOCATION' |
| 06:26.19 | jm_ | solomonn: no, .bashrc is read by non-login shells |
| 06:26.27 | jm_ | interactive |
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| 06:26.41 | mwilson | solomonn: Oh? How do you figure that? |
| 06:26.44 | solomonn | oic. so bashrc is read by non-login shells and profile is read by login shells? |
| 06:26.52 | bob2 | yes |
| 06:27.02 | mwilson | solomonn: Read the man page, that's kinda why it was written. |
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| 06:27.15 | solomonn | well i don't mind really, ~/bin/ ends up in my path now so i am happy :) |
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| 06:27.19 | jm_ | yes, FILES section explains it breifly, but INVOCATION has ore details, like bob2 said |
| 06:28.11 | ubernoob | does anyone use wireless with Orinoco? I'm trying to set it in monitor mode without luck :( |
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| 06:28.23 | bob2 | bah |
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| 06:28.35 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; and ask for an operator || if you are using Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
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| 06:28.57 | jetscreamer | umode +E? what's that |
| 06:29.02 | jetscreamer | no priv? |
| 06:29.05 | bob2 | that's fucking annoying |
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| 06:29.10 | Greeeen_Alien | is there a way to shutdown without using the console in gnome? |
| 06:29.11 | bob2 | jetscreamer: from unidentified users |
| 06:29.17 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 06:29.32 | jm_ | green_earz: you can enable shutdown button in GDM |
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| 06:29.36 | jm_ | Greeeen_Alien ^^^^^ |
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| 06:29.52 | reNegad3 | sorry bob2 :D you were right..... |
| 06:30.51 | reNegad3 | because I have 3 subnets, it kind of gets a bit confusing at times, and the physical wire wasnt plugged in from behind :( |
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| 06:30.59 | bob2 | right |
| 06:31.38 | Greeeen_Alien | how do you enable shutdown button? |
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| 06:32.17 | ubernoob | does anyone use wireless with orinoco driver? I'm trying to set it in monitor mode so i can use kismet, without luck :( |
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| 06:33.01 | Greeeen_Alien | how do you enable shutdown button in GDM? |
| 06:33.52 | Hackel | I have a question that may or may not be amd64 specific. I just tried to upgrade the base-files package, and now I can't run anything. Extracting base-files somehow has caused every command to give "No such file or directory," even within the base-files postinst script. What could have happened? |
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| 06:38.57 | nvz | is there anything wrong with the server, or is it just me :P |
| 06:39.03 | nvz | I keep timing out. |
| 06:39.04 | kingsley_ | I'd appreciate it if someone tried to duplicate a bug... |
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| 06:39.08 | kingsley_ | Type |
| 06:39.24 | kingsley_ | cat /etc/passwd | enscript --media=letter -B -o - | gv - |
| 06:39.46 | _SerhaT_ | no way .. |
| 06:39.52 | kingsley_ | and tell me which media gv sees. letter? a4? |
| 06:40.42 | mwilson | kingsley_: Why the gratuitous use of cat? |
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| 06:41.34 | mwilson | kingsley_: gv *always* sees A4. |
| 06:42.19 | kingsley_ | mwilson: gv also always sees A4 for me too. |
| 06:42.43 | mwilson | kingsley_: So tell it what to use then. That's kinda why it has a --media argument. |
| 06:42.57 | mwilson | Amazing things, man pages... you learn the most wonderful things. |
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| 06:44.42 | solomonn | is there i way i might clobber the cdrom driver in the kernel so that i can get it to restart happily again? |
| 06:44.47 | kingsley_ | mwilson: Thanks. |
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| 06:45.46 | solomonn | the drive got mad while gnome's cd player was playing it and it said "drive error", i satiated the drive by hitting eject (on the drive) and removing the disc, but linux still thinks it's awol |
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| 06:48.00 | cafuego | is is bad to log into host1, then Xnest xdmcp to hostb, Xnet xdmcp to host a etc... ? |
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| 06:48.15 | cafuego | (coz it sure as hell is slow :-) |
| 06:49.03 | solomonn | well, i'll brb.. restarting since i don't know how else to satisfy my kernel that it can use my cdrom drive :P |
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| 06:49.23 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 06:51.33 | dafen | hmmm... I wonder if xlibmesa3-gl is useful when I have a video card driver |
| 06:51.34 | jetscreamer | gnome's cd player borks out on me everytime |
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| 06:55.43 | taggart | amy recommendations for packages to automatically manage laptop networking? |
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| 06:56.53 | goodtod | does anybody here using gnome find that gnome menu>applications>subfolder>rightclick>entire menu>add new item to this menu doesn't work? |
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| 07:01.15 | jetscreamer | pump is one i think, how good i've no idea |
| 07:01.32 | jetscreamer | i find menus in general to like, suck. |
| 07:01.40 | jetscreamer | and be clunky |
| 07:01.44 | jetscreamer | to edit |
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| 07:01.56 | cafuego | taggart: There's a thing that allows you to do a location type setup for a laptop... forget what it's called though. |
| 07:01.59 | taggart | jetscreamer: that's just for dhcp, I want something that watches for when you insert the wire and then brings the interface up |
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| 07:02.06 | cafuego | taggart: try apt-cache search laptop | grep -i net |
| 07:02.15 | jetscreamer | ah... ^^ |
| 07:02.27 | cafuego | wire? HAHA! |
| 07:02.28 | taggart | cafuego: I'm using laptop-net now, I was just wondering if people had other favorites |
| 07:02.42 | jetscreamer | i have a laptop.. i found it in the parking lot of a computer shop. "doesn't work" |
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| 07:02.54 | taggart | cafuego: my laptop has gigabit, so sometimes it's nice to use a wire :) |
| 07:03.01 | luctor | I used to have opera-static as an option for apt-get but after reinstall its gone. Anyone now what I need to add to sources.list ? |
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| 07:03.18 | jetscreamer | !find opera |
| 07:03.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'opera' (6 of 47): (/usr/bin/viewurl-opera.sh) in net/licq ;; (/usr/include/php3/operators.h) in devel/php3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/TkSmb/operations.tcl) in otherosfs/tksmb ;; (/etc/zmailer/guides/offline-operation) in mail/zmailer ;; (/usr/include/geos/operation.h) in libdevel/libgeos-dev ;; (/usr/include/qt3/qurloperator.h) in ... |
| 07:04.03 | taggart | isn't opera propriatary? |
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| 07:04.29 | taggart | luctor: check apt-get.org maybe. but why are you using _opera_? |
| 07:04.59 | Hydroxide | I don't believe opera is legal to redistribute |
| 07:05.10 | cafuego | !mock taggart for not having wireless |
| 07:05.10 | Hydroxide | if there is an apt source for it, it's probably provided directly by the makers of opera |
| 07:05.25 | cafuego | well well |
| 07:05.29 | Hydroxide | so go to their web page |
| 07:05.42 | jetscreamer | use mosaic! |
| 07:05.52 | luctor | taggart: why im using opera ? Hmm you never used it ? |
| 07:05.57 | taggart | cafuego: I have wireless too, that's why I want something that can automatically mange things |
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| 07:06.06 | taggart | luctor: no, I haven't |
| 07:07.22 | cafuego | opera is nice, but not quite as nice as firefox these days (provided yer cpu is quick enough). |
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| 07:08.19 | aNaRcHiStNZ | Hey everyone |
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| 07:08.24 | aNaRcHiStNZ | would like a hand with Debian if i may |
| 07:08.35 | sep | !tell aNaRcHiStNZ about ask |
| 07:08.56 | streuner_ | aNaRcHiStNZ: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:09.09 | streuner_ | aNaRcHiStNZ: download the iso and install debian |
| 07:09.29 | aNaRcHiStNZ | i have it installed 0_o |
| 07:09.37 | streuner_ | ok, just ask then |
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| 07:09.56 | luctor | taggart: its the opera.com browser Im talking about. Well for one its fast and second If youre having 10-15 different pages up and for some reason it dies on you it saves your session. If I did the same with firefox id have to find it all over again... |
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| 07:10.38 | aNaRcHiStNZ | well.. pretty much first time having a play with linux.. i was just wondering in command line, how do i get the output of something like help to not just scroll.. like i wanna press space to scroll a page down... similiar to /p in DOS |
| 07:10.44 | sep | i use opera and firefox both, between them there is not many pages i get problems with |
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| 07:10.56 | luctor | taggart: speed is important, but it takes a little too much space on smaller laptops because of the ad banner |
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| 07:11.35 | oneo | hey all - i've always had my linux box remote login as a certain user and auto-start a program but i reset and now its coming up as a KDE login randomly (i use FVWM2) ... does anyone know what could have happen and i how i could make things go back to "normal"? |
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| 07:12.32 | streuner_ | aNaRcHiStNZ: you could simply just use a pipe, e. g. 'ls -l /dir' -> 'ls -l /dir | less' |
| 07:12.48 | EvanCarroll | ... |
| 07:12.50 | EvanCarroll | dear god no |
| 07:13.17 | aNaRcHiStNZ | say for example i wanna go like this "hping --help" but i wanna be able to space through the pages |
| 07:13.20 | aNaRcHiStNZ | atm it just scrolls |
| 07:13.24 | sep | aNaRcHiStNZ: the most important command is 'man' if you wonder about a command type man command, it will explain much, you can start with man man |
| 07:13.27 | EvanCarroll | exim is so annoying, it should try working |
| 07:13.30 | zinx | aNaRcHiStNZ: you can scroll up, usually with shift-pageup |
| 07:13.38 | aNaRcHiStNZ | ahh tanks |
| 07:13.39 | taggart | luctor: yes I know what opera is, I've just never used it. I try to stick to stuff in debian |
| 07:13.43 | aNaRcHiStNZ | sorry.. im so n00b >_< |
| 07:13.43 | zinx | aNaRcHiStNZ: if you need more, pipe it to less |
| 07:13.48 | EvanCarroll | pgup pgdown to move through console buffer |
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| 07:13.53 | EvanCarroll | !newb |
| 07:13.53 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 07:14.16 | EvanCarroll | !exim |
| 07:14.16 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue ... |
| 07:14.40 | taggart | aNaRcHiStNZ: but you should learn about pipes like streuner said |
| 07:14.47 | sep | aNaRcHiStNZ: also if your total new, read one of the beginners guide on the web, also learn to use google. |
| 07:14.57 | EvanCarroll | !google |
| 07:14.57 | dpkg | it has been said that google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 07:15.13 | EvanCarroll | ah dpkg you and your helpfull information |
| 07:15.14 | aNaRcHiStNZ | i know about google |
| 07:15.16 | sep | search google for linux for beginners and you get a few guides you can read. it will help a lot |
| 07:15.16 | EvanCarroll | !insult dpkg |
| 07:15.18 | dpkg | dpkg is nothing but a vassal-willed plate of half-faced armadillo snouts |
| 07:15.18 | taggart | aNaRcHiStNZ: a pipe directs the standard output of any command into another command |
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| 07:15.29 | heloo | hi |
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| 07:15.38 | heloo | can anyone give me some help with wifi |
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| 07:15.44 | taggart | aNaRcHiStNZ: so in addition to pagers like more and less, you should try piping to grep too |
| 07:15.51 | streuner_ | but that wouldn't work with 'cdrecord -help | less' ... |
| 07:16.14 | EvanCarroll | !ask |
| 07:16.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 07:16.26 | dafen | !dpkg |
| 07:16.27 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 07:16.43 | dafen | !suck |
| 07:16.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 07:16.44 | oneo | how can i auto login to FVWM as a specific user? |
| 07:16.56 | streuner_ | dafen: /msg dpkg foo - thanks |
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| 07:18.53 | solomonn | anyone know offhand how i can test whether my cd try has been closed? |
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| 07:19.04 | heloo | anyone good with wifi here? |
| 07:19.29 | cafuego | solomonn: No. You can issue the 'close' command and see if it fails, but it'll BE closed after that :-) |
| 07:20.02 | solomonn | cafuego: it's ok to close it. but i don't know that it would fail |
| 07:20.13 | solomonn | cafuego: how do i issue the close command? i know of eject -t.. |
| 07:20.25 | cafuego | solomonn: Yes, 'eject -t /dev/cdrom' will return nonzero if it's already closed. |
| 07:20.40 | solomonn | cafuego: hrm then that might be just what i want. thanks :> |
| 07:20.44 | cafuego | And probably also print an error to stderr. |
| 07:20.52 | jm_ | just try to mount it, the kernel will try to close it for you |
| 07:20.53 | solomonn | cafuego: nah, no error output |
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| 07:21.30 | solomonn | wait, now that i think of it, eject -t definitely won't work. silly me |
| 07:21.42 | cafuego | Ey? |
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| 07:22.00 | solomonn | jm_, cafuego: the idea is to use this little console ripping script to rip a cd, eject it, and start ripping the next one when i've closed the cd tray with the button on the drive |
| 07:22.18 | cafuego | solomonn: Oh dear... |
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| 07:22.37 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: what is the scripting language? |
| 07:22.40 | solomonn | that way i can have the rip process running in a text console so i can have a look at it when i want; but when i don't want to look at it, i can just replace the cd |
| 07:23.05 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: just sh. i'm calling a perl script that a friend made to do the ripping, but i'm just making a bash script to do the ejecting |
| 07:23.22 | mrhemlock | solomonn, cafuego how does automount do it ? |
| 07:23.36 | cafuego | mrhemlock: Some file in /proc probably. |
| 07:23.48 | solomonn | i noticed that gnome has a setting which will play audio cd's when they are inserted. and i could customize the command to run my script.. but, it would not be running in a virtual terminal, which would be very handy |
| 07:24.01 | solomonn | hrmm a file in /proc... good point |
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| 07:24.36 | jm_ | automount does it when you request a file from CD, not when you insert a CD |
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| 07:25.01 | solomonn | gnome does it when you insert a cd :) |
| 07:25.08 | VoX | apart from the name, what are the differences between apt-get and aptitude, when using command line only? |
| 07:25.32 | oneo | hey all - i have a machine that has no keyboard but is controlled by a remote control and i access it with SSH...I always have the machine auto-login but the X server has crashed and now its prompting me to login every time and i have no way of doing so...is there a way i can re-enable auto-login from an ssh session? |
| 07:25.51 | jm_ | yes, gnome has magicdev or whatever |
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| 07:25.55 | solomonn | come to think of it, i could even have gnome's custom command be to write a file that i could check for. however, this would suck because i would have to be running Gnome in X just to run my console ripping script |
| 07:25.59 | cafuego | oneo: The magic of xdmcp! |
| 07:26.00 | solomonn | magicdev? |
| 07:26.16 | solomonn | well i want that too then, what is it :P |
| 07:26.24 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: or you could do it in perl =/ |
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| 07:26.56 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: i don't know perl :) |
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| 07:27.03 | sep | i have a few debians around, some woody some woody+backports, some sarge. none with identical packackage setup. is there a package that do something like apt-get update ; apt-get --simulate upgrade; and mail me the output if there was anything to upgrade ? i was thinking of putting a script together, but if it allready exsists.. |
| 07:27.05 | zignig | solomonn: prolog then. |
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| 07:27.22 | solomonn | zignig: what that? |
| 07:27.27 | solomonn | zignig: another language i don't know? :) |
| 07:27.31 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: have your friend utilize module POE::Component::CD::Detect, it would be a one line addon |
| 07:27.33 | simonrvn | cafuego: what? |
| 07:27.54 | cafuego | simonrvn: You run an address book through ldap, don't you? |
| 07:27.59 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: can you give me a one-liner that will write the file "./fooo" when an a cd is inserted? :) |
| 07:28.10 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: yes. |
| 07:28.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: yes |
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| 07:28.27 | Koffa | valdyn_: the damn thing hanged once again |
| 07:28.33 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: will you? that would be sweet :) then i can just have my sh script check for the file |
| 07:28.39 | cafuego | simonrvn: Any chance you could send me a copy of your slapd.conf (and initial ldif file) ? (passwds removed) |
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| 07:28.52 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: one sec. let me write |
| 07:28.57 | cafuego | simonrvn: I've been argiung with slapd and OSX mail for a day now... |
| 07:29.09 | simonrvn | cafuego: my ACLs are so complex that i split them out =) |
| 07:29.12 | solomonn | i love sh because i know just enough of it to do hacky things |
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| 07:29.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: yeh. in a little bit |
| 07:29.58 | cafuego | simonrvn: Cool, that'd be great ... got my email? |
| 07:30.02 | simonrvn | cafuego: rule 1) order is important in oldap acls |
| 07:30.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: not yet |
| 07:30.25 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: sh is retarded =/ |
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| 07:30.53 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: if it's easier, you can have the exit status denote when a cd is entered, or put something in the output i can grep for.. whatever is least hassle for you |
| 07:31.01 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: making it perfect for retarded programmers :) |
| 07:31.02 | panda | what directory should i store my movies in debian? |
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| 07:31.29 | cafuego | panda: Somewhere under /home/$LOGNAME normally. |
| 07:31.34 | solomonn | cafuego: you'd better not let your wife hear that you told people you were going to organize her :P |
| 07:31.49 | cafuego | solomonn: She knows she needs organising sometimes <heh> |
| 07:31.57 | solomonn | hehe |
| 07:32.00 | cafuego | zignig: Life. Be in it. t-shirt. |
| 07:32.00 | rootmos | i cant change password error while loading shared libraries libgcc_s.so.1? |
| 07:32.15 | tcp|p | I just finished setting up my partitions and it said it was "ready to boot into your new debian system" |
| 07:32.16 | solomonn | s/se/sm/ |
| 07:32.18 | solomonn | buahaha |
| 07:32.25 | cafuego | rootmos: Punctuation. use it. |
| 07:32.28 | tcp|p | only problem is my monitor went into standby and didn't come back out |
| 07:32.49 | solomonn | wait, that is silly |
| 07:32.53 | tcp|p | I heard my pc post and all but i'm wondering if it's safe to do a hard restart at this point in the installation? |
| 07:33.01 | cafuego | tcp|p: yeh |
| 07:33.01 | solomonn | it would have to be a bigger correction than that to be the dirty bad thing that came into my mind |
| 07:33.12 | VoX | apart from the name, what are the differences between apt-get and aptitude, when using command line only? |
| 07:33.19 | panda | cafuego, only home dir? no some standard place? |
| 07:34.42 | solomonn | panda: wherever you want really. /home/video is probably where i would put it |
| 07:34.51 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: still need it? |
| 07:34.57 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: yeah. got it? |
| 07:35.05 | panda | solomonn, i want to put it in /mnt/hda1 |
| 07:35.23 | rootmos | Punctuation? |
| 07:35.26 | panda | solomonn, is it a good idea? or should i mount /dev/hda1 at ~/video? |
| 07:35.36 | solomonn | panda: then mount /mnt/hda1 to the mount point /home/video/ |
| 07:35.44 | solomonn | panda: yeah, nothing wrong with that |
| 07:35.55 | solomonn | oops |
| 07:35.58 | solomonn | did i say /home/video |
| 07:36.01 | solomonn | that's silly |
| 07:36.03 | solomonn | i mean ~/video |
| 07:36.17 | panda | solomonn, /mnt/hda1 und ~/video, which is better? |
| 07:36.24 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: working on it now =/ your going to need to run cpan, and type 'install POE::Component::CD::Detect' |
| 07:36.41 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: auctually im not sure mine is going to compile getting lots of errors =[ |
| 07:36.49 | solomonn | oh, and i said to mount /mnt/hda1. i meant: mount /dev/hda1 to ~/video |
| 07:37.14 | solomonn | panda: i would do ~/video if it were me. now, if it's for many users, i might make a /data and put it on /data/video/ or something |
| 07:37.21 | sep | panda: i tend to use /mnt/hda1 and symlink it into home for easy access, but i may have more then 1 user on a box, and im just me. whatever you find convinient |
| 07:37.51 | panda | solomonn, sep danke |
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| 07:37.57 | solomonn | panda: /var/data/ or something might be sensible but it is really up to your own preference |
| 07:38.15 | panda | solomonn, i prefer in /var |
| 07:38.39 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: well if you don't get it working then i thank you anyway for wasting your time on me :) |
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| 07:38.58 | panda | solomonn, but what /mnt is used for? i mkdir /mnt/hda1, is it good? |
| 07:39.28 | asuffield | /mnt and /vol are the traditional places to mount random crap that doesn't have anything interesting to the system on it |
| 07:39.37 | solomonn | yeah |
| 07:39.48 | solomonn | i use it when i am just transferring files and stuff |
| 07:40.12 | sep | panda: same here, removeables or things that are not normaly mounteds |
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| 07:40.49 | rootmos | i cant change password. i get this error as root when i do passwd root. error while loading shared libraries libgcc_s.so.1? |
| 07:41.16 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: its still compiling =/ |
| 07:41.33 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: cpan so shitty needs to be replaced with dpkg/apt for perl |
| 07:41.47 | EvanCarroll | !cpan |
| 07:41.48 | dpkg | hmm... cpan is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan |
| 07:42.04 | solomonn | dh-make-perl --cpan huh |
| 07:42.07 | solomonn | wonder what that is |
| 07:42.17 | solomonn | i would probably look into it, if i even knew perl :) |
| 07:42.24 | Hydroxide | solomonn: makes a .deb of a perl module in cpam |
| 07:42.27 | Hydroxide | *cpan |
| 07:42.47 | solomonn | Hydroxide: ah. that's kinda cool. dh-make-perl --cpan modulename? |
| 07:42.52 | solomonn | or is it more involved than that |
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| 07:44.00 | panda | when i keep pressing my mouse button down, the whole system slows down. how to heel this? |
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| 07:44.17 | panda | s/heel/cure/ |
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| 07:45.36 | mwilson | Don't keep the button pressed down. |
| 07:45.41 | EvanCarroll | lol |
| 07:45.51 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: well said! |
| 07:45.53 | panda | :( |
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| 07:46.56 | Hydroxide | solomonn: I don't know, I haven't actually used it |
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| 07:47.18 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: my cpan is looping |
| 07:47.36 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: so i probably won't be able to write thi |
| 07:47.36 | EvanCarroll | this |
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| 07:47.53 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: looping? |
| 07:48.08 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: so it's the module that won't compile? |
| 07:48.28 | HostingGeek | bob2: does this mean i am unbanned? |
| 07:48.39 | HostingGeek | bob2: if yes i'll be a good boy :) |
| 07:48.42 | taggart | EvanCarr1ll: this is why cpan sucks :( |
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| 07:49.05 | bob2 | HostingGeek: if you do not annoy anyone |
| 07:49.09 | HostingGeek | I look through the ban list and no longer saw my ban |
| 07:49.10 | HostingGeek | :) |
| 07:49.20 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: there seems to be a problem with POE:: and my cpan it wants to install other shit, so i say no and it fails, i say yes, it works it way through fails and then starts again to fail |
| 07:49.25 | bob2 | HostingGeek: I have no tolerance for your crap, tho |
| 07:49.27 | taggart | EvanCarr1ll: if you find modules you need, file wnpp RFPs for them |
| 07:49.33 | solomonn | hehe |
| 07:49.42 | bob2 | and no problem banning you, tho |
| 07:49.43 | EvanCarroll | taggart: I agree sadly =/ |
| 07:49.51 | HostingGeek | can i apt-get hurd? |
| 07:49.57 | bob2 | HostingGeek: no |
| 07:50.17 | panda | HostingGeek, why you got banned |
| 07:50.20 | HostingGeek | will i ever be able to swap OSes by apt? |
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| 07:50.55 | HostingGeek | panda: asking the same question in 1000 diffrent wordings and still no one understod it.... |
| 07:51.20 | panda | HostingGeek, that's not your fault, man |
| 07:51.20 | EvanCarroll | !os |
| 07:51.20 | dpkg | hmm... operating system is just that, a SYSTEM that lets you OPERATE with your machine. It's NOT a kernel. Linux is a kernel. GNU and GNU/Linux are Operating Systems. |
| 07:51.38 | taggart | panda: what kind of mouse? |
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| 07:51.51 | panda | taggart, usb |
| 07:51.51 | EvanCarroll | so yes. |
| 07:51.55 | Hydroxide | HostingGeek: no, apt will not let you switch OSes, nor will any other package management software in existence |
| 07:51.59 | HostingGeek | panda: yes but no i have learnt english |
| 07:52.06 | EvanCarroll | some day you might be able to apt-get a non-linux KERNEL |
| 07:52.06 | panda | taggart, i think, it's not mouse' fault |
| 07:52.20 | panda | taggart, the x server keeps reponding mouse events |
| 07:52.25 | taggart | are you clicking it anywhere in particular? |
| 07:52.28 | HostingGeek | Hydroxide: why can't it? i know it can't yet |
| 07:52.41 | HostingGeek | but maybe as a goal for apt 2 |
| 07:52.50 | taggart | panda: you might try xev |
| 07:52.53 | panda | HostingGeek, what's your first lang? |
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| 07:53.10 | HostingGeek | panda: gaga gogo like everyone else ;) |
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| 07:53.25 | Hydroxide | HostingGeek: the Hurd requires a totally different binary format, totally different kernel setup, etc. etc. it's completely different. you can use apt with the hurd if you install Debian GNU/Hurd, but not if you install Debian GNU/Linux |
| 07:53.29 | HostingGeek | panda: i'll resay it i couldn't spelling.... |
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| 07:53.38 | Delicates | someone explain why is this happening: |
| 07:53.38 | Delicates | hdb: cache flushes supported |
| 07:53.38 | Delicates | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.00 | panda | HostingGeek, oh, what country then? |
| 07:54.04 | HostingGeek | Hydroxide: but wont it be possible one day to swap? |
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| 07:54.09 | HostingGeek | panda: australia |
| 07:54.09 | taggart | Delicates: neato |
| 07:54.19 | panda | HostingGeek, are you native? |
| 07:54.23 | Delicates | taggart: ? |
| 07:54.33 | HostingGeek | panda: i was born here... |
| 07:54.38 | taggart | Delicates: have you got an arseload of IDE busses on that machine? |
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| 07:54.48 | panda | HostingGeek, then your first lang should be englsih |
| 07:55.01 | Delicates | taggart: yes, but they are all disabled except for primary one |
| 07:55.09 | HostingGeek | panda: no its gaga gogo.... like everyone else |
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| 07:55.18 | Hydroxide | HostingGeek: no. that would be somewhat like turning an inkjet printer into a laser printer without unplugging it |
| 07:55.44 | HostingGeek | Hydroxide: no one said it will have to over ride linux |
| 07:56.01 | HostingGeek | Hydroxide: i mean to install it on another partion |
| 07:56.06 | Hydroxide | ah |
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| 07:56.13 | EvanCarroll | HostingGeek: yes, some day it should be, either through emulation in hurd, or through compilation of the archive for hurd - if anyone cares/cared that much |
| 07:56.33 | Hydroxide | EvanCarroll: there is a compilation of the archive for Hurd. Debian is the main Hurd distro. |
| 07:56.44 | HostingGeek | Hydroxide: i herd ubuntu might be doing something like this with freebsd to people can flash their bios |
| 07:57.07 | Hydroxide | HostingGeek: I don't know about what ubuntu is doing about freebsd. this is neither #ubuntu nor #freebsd. |
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| 07:57.15 | HostingGeek | *freedos |
| 07:57.19 | Hydroxide | ah |
| 07:57.24 | Hydroxide | even so |
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| 07:57.47 | HostingGeek | Hydroxide: i though if they can pull it debian for sure can pull off hurd |
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| 07:57.47 | Hydroxide | anyway, I am going to sleep now |
| 07:57.49 | Hydroxide | good night |
| 07:57.54 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 07:58.00 | HostingGeek | night |
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| 08:00.51 | HostingGeek | so is it possible? |
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| 08:01.38 | directhex | with apt? why should it be? debootstrap is the tool for the job |
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| 08:04.21 | Supaplex | where's the sarge netinstall isos? |
| 08:04.39 | jm_ | on d-i mirrors |
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| 08:04.53 | EvanCarroll | !d-i |
| 08:04.53 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 08:06.53 | HostingGeek | does anyone know how close debian became to become the offical GNU system? |
| 08:07.13 | EvanCarroll | ... |
| 08:07.14 | EvanCarroll | dear god |
| 08:07.15 | mwilson | This close >|< |
| 08:07.22 | mwilson | Not that anyone cares. |
| 08:07.28 | EvanCarroll | read the damn hurd docs on gnu's site |
| 08:07.31 | WhiteRabbit | richard would |
| 08:07.31 | HostingGeek | only if some mirrors never had non-free and contrib it would have been. |
| 08:07.41 | mwilson | Ah, but that would require reading. |
| 08:07.56 | mwilson | HostingGeek: Who cares? |
| 08:08.04 | HostingGeek | i do |
| 08:08.08 | WhiteRabbit | i do |
| 08:08.11 | mwilson | Because? |
| 08:08.13 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: well said. |
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| 08:08.40 | WhiteRabbit | not everyone is a smattering zealot some people like to know the distro history.. |
| 08:09.11 | EvanCarroll | WhiteRabbit: if you wish to be one of us smattering zealots, than rather than asking us to recite what is already freely available, seek out and read it |
| 08:09.15 | mike | hi, when ever i try to run cgi scripts, an internal error page comes up. does anyone know what could be wrong |
| 08:09.20 | mike | the permissions are correct |
| 08:09.28 | tga | mike: you're not sending the right header |
| 08:09.28 | mwilson | WhiteRabbit: Uh, sorry to disappoint you, but if I *were* a zealot, I'd be foaming at the mouth about Debian's "officialness", nt the reverse. |
| 08:09.33 | EvanCarroll | in this case its not that hard. i believe its under 'history' on the gnu/hurd/hird page |
| 08:10.05 | mike | tga: how do i send the right header |
| 08:10.06 | WhiteRabbit | if it wasn't for the history of certain things you would be in a unix system or back on windows |
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| 08:10.09 | WhiteRabbit | history matters |
| 08:10.24 | mwilson | WhiteRabbit: Then I'd be using Windows. Your point? |
| 08:10.50 | WhiteRabbit | EvanCarr1ll mwilson why did only you 2 call to the smattering zealot sent. hmm |
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| 08:11.08 | WhiteRabbit | let me guess you like to feel on top amoung your peers |
| 08:11.11 | HostingGeek | if it was the GNU system... would slackware be already dead? how much bigger would debian really be? ... those type of questions |
| 08:11.13 | WhiteRabbit | or did I miss something else |
| 08:11.17 | HostingGeek | the what-ifs... |
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| 08:11.28 | mwilson | Ah, /ignore |
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| 08:11.32 | EvanCarroll | !tell WhiteRabbit stfu |
| 08:11.48 | WhiteRabbit | ya you both are just peer pushers |
| 08:11.59 | WhiteRabbit | I understand ya now ;) |
| 08:12.10 | mwilson | EvanCarroll: The zealots are always among the most clueless. |
| 08:12.27 | WhiteRabbit | Peer Power! hu... |
| 08:12.28 | tga | mike: try a print "Content-type: text/html" before you output anything else |
| 08:12.32 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: im starting to agree with you more and more - we need ops. |
| 08:12.40 | HostingGeek | !cya |
| 08:12.40 | dpkg | from memory, cya is Cover Your Ass, or l33tspeak for "see you" |
| 08:12.40 | mwilson | So page one. |
| 08:12.57 | HostingGeek | WTF! |
| 08:13.00 | mwilson | If you think you need one. |
| 08:13.13 | WhiteRabbit | you need op for more peer power? |
| 08:13.18 | HostingGeek | since when did cya stand for "Cover Your Ass"? |
| 08:13.18 | WhiteRabbit | funny stuff |
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| 08:14.25 | Thanatermesis | for a in `ls *mp3`; do Eterm -e mpg321 $a; done |
| 08:14.38 | Thanatermesis | how to lauch this in BG ? |
| 08:14.41 | mwilson | Thanatermesis: What's that supposed to be for? |
| 08:14.43 | mike | tga: its to do with cgi scripts |
| 08:14.57 | mwilson | Thanatermesis: Why would you need to launch such a thing in a terminal? |
| 08:15.06 | Thanatermesis | if first file is launched, not posible to launch a 2º |
| 08:15.13 | tga | mike: if your cgi script doesn't output a correct header first you'll get an 'internal server errror' |
| 08:15.30 | Thanatermesis | mwilson, is a example, i need to launch a processes in terminals |
| 08:15.33 | tga | mike: of course it could also be some other problem, that just the most common I run into |
| 08:15.36 | juhov | Thanatermesis: for a in *mp3; do mpg321 $a & done? |
| 08:15.48 | Thanatermesis | for a in `ls *mp3`; do Eterm -e mpg321 $a &; done ( + & ) <-- not runs |
| 08:15.50 | tga | mike: are you writing your own cgi or trying to use a bottled one? |
| 08:16.08 | juhov | Thanatermesis: I don't see why you'd like to play multiple mp3s simultaneously though :) |
| 08:16.10 | Thanatermesis | juhov, bash: syntax error near unexpected token `done' |
| 08:16.34 | Thanatermesis | juhov, is a example, i need to launch a processes in terminals |
| 08:16.51 | juhov | Thanatermesis: well, I just tested my example and it worked |
| 08:17.09 | HostingGeek | Longhorn has always been 2 years away... Sarge has always been 1 month away. |
| 08:17.27 | juhov | Thanatermesis: make sure you have either & or ; not both |
| 08:17.34 | Thanatermesis | hummm... |
| 08:17.36 | Thanatermesis | yes juhov |
| 08:17.37 | Thanatermesis | thx |
| 08:17.55 | kingsley_ | Is there a way to fill the screen with a postscript file, ideally with gv? |
| 08:18.18 | Thanatermesis | HostingGeek, longhorn = cpuburn |
| 08:18.19 | Thanatermesis | xD |
| 08:18.26 | juhov | Thanatermesis: I hope you also noticed that using ls there isn't necessary ;) |
| 08:18.48 | EvanCarroll | hrm |
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| 08:19.25 | simonrvn | cafuego: on its way |
| 08:19.26 | HostingGeek | when will debian and m$ learn from gnome and ubuntu and that poll on debian planet? |
| 08:19.31 | EvanCarroll | i thought of a new command irssi needs, the ability to ignore anyones message adressed to someone on your ignore list, why here people talking to trolls when they are ignored |
| 08:19.51 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: buaha! i did it with hal-get-property |
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| 08:19.55 | juhov | EvanCarroll: like /ignore -replies or something? :) |
| 08:20.04 | HostingGeek | and that thread on my forums.... |
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| 08:20.14 | simonrvn | "hear" |
| 08:20.14 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: the folks in #gnome informed me that gnome does it with gnome-volume-manager which in turn gets it from hald |
| 08:20.19 | EvanCarroll | wow |
| 08:20.20 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: there's nothing for Debian to learn. If people want Debian to do something, they need to put in the work. |
| 08:20.37 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: so i found me a property to the device that changes when a cd is inserted, and i can query hal for it |
| 08:20.38 | EvanCarroll | i never knew that existed =/ very nice juhov |
| 08:20.52 | simonrvn | HostingGeek: debian is nothing like redhat. you need to be aware of that. |
| 08:20.54 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: what is the property that changes |
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| 08:21.11 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: block.have_scanned |
| 08:21.18 | thd | My efforts to use fetchmail are failing with "recipient address 'foo' didn't match any local name" in a header in the postfix deferred mail queue. I have an aliases file matching 'foo' to 'bar' and that works for sending messages locally. How do I tell fetchmail to use my aliases file? |
| 08:21.26 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: there is. some times you need to call for people to help hunt out bugs |
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| 08:22.00 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: you can always put out the call, but complaining because no one has fixed them doesn't work. |
| 08:22.03 | HostingGeek | simonrvn: i know... redhat is shit.... debian is gold |
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| 08:22.50 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: maybe if there was a little notice on the home page we will see etch in a month |
| 08:23.08 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: have you read and understood the wwsr factoid yet? |
| 08:23.20 | HostingGeek | !wwsr |
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| 08:24.23 | HostingGeek | hmmm is dpkg dead or something? |
| 08:24.34 | solomonn | uhh no :) |
| 08:24.39 | HostingGeek | !tell HostingGeek about wwsr |
| 08:25.07 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: not even dpkg know what wwsr is... |
| 08:25.10 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 08:25.10 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 08:26.06 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: did you just teach it that now? |
| 08:26.45 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: no, that was always there as wwsr, abrotman just recently broke it. |
| 08:27.00 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: the fact is 16k packages will never be perfict |
| 08:27.20 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: obviously, but that's not even a factor for the release of sarge. |
| 08:27.25 | HostingGeek | once over 10k you hit the limit |
| 08:27.30 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: we don't ask for perfection. We ask for no RC bugs. |
| 08:27.38 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: you reach the limit when you hit one package. |
| 08:27.42 | HostingGeek | "Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online." |
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| 08:28.30 | zinx | HostingGeek: i fail to see where that says "it must be perfect" |
| 08:28.31 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: no you reach it around 10k i will make a long reply showing it |
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| 08:29.02 | HostingGeek | zinx: perfect means no known bugs and securty reports |
| 08:29.03 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: uh, no, you don't. |
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| 08:29.35 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: we always have open bugs. There's nothing magical about it. Every non-trivial program has bugs. |
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| 08:29.54 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: critical bugs... |
| 08:30.07 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: no, not critical bugs. RC bugs. |
| 08:30.26 | HostingGeek | !rc bugs |
| 08:30.26 | Supaplex | thanks for the help. (not that I need it often - but thanks!) |
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| 08:30.29 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: you really need to learn about how this stuff works before you even bother with trying to fix the system |
| 08:30.53 | mike | tga: im trying to install greymatter |
| 08:31.09 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: if the system worked best there will be no distros like ubuntu and alike |
| 08:31.32 | HostingGeek | there is only be specialize distros |
| 08:31.33 | zinx | HostingGeek: you fail to understand humans |
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| 08:31.42 | zinx | HostingGeek: everyone wants something different |
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| 08:31.46 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: oh, the system definetly isn't the best. However, you can't bring it in a better direction unless you understand its current state at all. |
| 08:31.55 | HostingGeek | the fact that there needs to be a fork shows its not perfect |
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| 08:32.03 | HostingGeek | and humans are also not perfect |
| 08:32.05 | zinx | HostingGeek: no one wants perfection, here |
| 08:32.08 | sabdelma | hi |
| 08:32.11 | zinx | HostingGeek: no one except you, it seems |
| 08:32.18 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: there hasn't been a fork yet. These are all derivative projects. |
| 08:32.48 | dondelelcaro | most of the same people who work on Debian also happen to work on ubuntu |
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| 08:32.55 | sabdelma | is there a way to upgrade from testing to stable with apt? |
| 08:32.56 | HostingGeek | zinx: we all want perfection but as its not possible because thats the way G-d made it we understand that and no longer want perfection |
| 08:33.06 | HostingGeek | yes |
| 08:33.17 | HostingGeek | sabdelma: thats the main point about apt |
| 08:33.19 | dondelelcaro | sabdelma: that's not an upgrade. You can go from stable->testing, but not testing->stable |
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| 08:33.38 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: it can be an upgrade |
| 08:33.44 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: no it cannot. |
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| 08:34.21 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: they are fundamentally different distributions with fundamentally different dependencies and packages. Downgrading is almost guaranteed to be broken. |
| 08:34.25 | HostingGeek | he might be using the current testing and hasn't upgrade to the latest and now a few months later sarge is released |
| 08:34.41 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: that's not upgrading, that's tracking sarge. |
| 08:34.55 | dondelelcaro | going from sarge->sarge is a tautology |
| 08:34.55 | EvanCarroll | +ban HostingGeek |
| 08:35.16 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: he said testing to stable he never said sarge to woody |
| 08:35.28 | HostingGeek | any i am out i don't want to get banned again |
| 08:35.30 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: again, testing to stable is not possible. |
| 08:35.56 | dondelelcaro | well, not supported. |
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| 08:36.05 | dondelelcaro | and definetly not something to be randomly suggesting at this point in time. |
| 08:36.05 | sabdelma | ok |
| 08:36.06 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: lets move this to #testingtostable as i said i don't want to get banned |
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| 08:36.22 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: if you're going to be banned, I'll be the one doing the banning. |
| 08:36.31 | HostingGeek | oh |
| 08:36.38 | zinx | \o/ |
| 08:36.39 | HostingGeek | your ok with me explaining? |
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| 08:36.52 | stoinov | how i can route real ip-addresses in ip tuneling |
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| 08:37.04 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: what I suggest you do for starters is read the Debian Reference though, and understand how this all works. It's rather pointless to discuss until then. |
| 08:37.15 | dondelelcaro | s/understand/learn/ |
| 08:37.33 | zamolxes | HostingGeek: you might want to stop over http://qref.sf.net |
| 08:37.35 | HostingGeek | ok i'll do it in 10min brb... |
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| 08:37.59 | dondelelcaro | it'll take a lot longer than ten minutes. |
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| 08:38.23 | HostingGeek | i ment i'll start in 10min.... brb |
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| 08:39.10 | sabdelma | I will need to do dist-upgrade when testing will become sarge? |
| 08:39.47 | huliganz | testing = sarge ;) |
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| 08:40.05 | sabdelma | testing -> stable sory |
| 08:40.42 | quitte | !ops SoS is a onjoin spammer |
| 08:40.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS is a onjoin spammer |
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| 08:40.47 | omry | someone kick that SoS, its a bot. |
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| 08:43.46 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: remember to unban him he just got one of the mirc worms going arround |
| 08:44.08 | dondelelcaro | sabdelma: why do you think you want to go from testing to stable? |
| 08:44.08 | dondelelcaro | that is, what's the purpose |
| 08:44.17 | alus | hm, I seem to be missing "shutdown" and "reboot" |
| 08:44.25 | alus | what debian package are those in? |
| 08:44.42 | dondelelcaro | alus: in sysvinit |
| 08:44.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell alus about search |
| 08:44.54 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: btw, did you have any interest in doing what i'm doing, or were you just trying to do something nice? |
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| 08:44.59 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: probably not, actually. |
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| 08:45.05 | EvanCarroll | solomonn: something nice =/ |
| 08:45.07 | alus | I searched |
| 08:45.07 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: if you have an interest i can show you the really simple handy script i made |
| 08:45.12 | alus | it doesn't come up in a search |
| 08:45.34 | solomonn | EvanCarroll: hehe, well, thanks for being nice ;) if you ever want to rip a few hundred cd's without touching your keyboard, give me a ring :) |
| 08:45.35 | dondelelcaro | !+find sbin/shutdown |
| 08:45.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/shutdown' (1): (/sbin/shutdown) in base/sysvinit. |
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| 08:45.46 | dondelelcaro | alus: see above. |
| 08:45.54 | sabdelma | because I have slow server |
| 08:45.57 | alus | oh. I did: apt-get search shutdown |
| 08:46.00 | dondelelcaro | alus: if you search for contents at pdo or use apt-file; you would have seen the same |
| 08:46.17 | dondelelcaro | alus: yes... read the search factoid carefully. There are some nuggets of wisdom there |
| 08:46.35 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: Lets say you upgraded to the current testing on 20th feb 2005 and today was 28th feb 2006 and etch was released as stable now when upgrading you are doing a testing to stable |
| 08:46.47 | sabdelma | I dont't know why my server become very slow |
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| 08:47.09 | sabdelma | I have web site with mysql/apache/php running |
| 08:47.15 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: no, you wouldn't be. If you're sources.list say testing, you're running testing, and you keep running testing. |
| 08:47.35 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: ok so you edit them to stable |
| 08:47.40 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: if your sources.list says sarge or etch, or whatever, you're running that version. |
| 08:47.45 | HostingGeek | on 20th feb 2006 |
| 08:48.34 | bob2 | HostingGeek: go away please |
| 08:48.36 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: and even then, that may not work at all. You're still not going from testing to stable, you're going from some random collection of packages to some version which you hope is strictly older than the version you've got. |
| 08:48.39 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: and also you might do a cd upgrade as you only have dialup |
| 08:48.48 | bob2 | HostingGeek: you're being disruptive |
| 08:48.52 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: regardless, this is already copiously explained in the remedial documentation. |
| 08:49.05 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: please read it before arguing with me. |
| 08:49.06 | tcp|p | how do I know what video card driver to use for X? |
| 08:49.12 | tcp|p | it's a ati radeon 9700 pro |
| 08:50.08 | boycer | tcp|p: run lspci -v and look for your card in there - you need the bus id iirc |
| 08:50.31 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: how is it possible that its older etch is going to be after sarge an you update while sarge was still testing..... idon't want to get banned by bob2 can we move it to another channel? |
| 08:50.34 | boycer | tcp|p: oops, please ignore that, you said driver... :( |
| 08:50.37 | HostingGeek | or drop it? |
| 08:50.44 | dondelelcaro | tcp|p: the radeon driver should gover it. |
| 08:50.47 | dondelelcaro | s/gover/cover/ |
| 08:51.09 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, the radeon driver manpage claims to run it) |
| 08:51.18 | zinx | no 3d, though |
| 08:51.42 | dondelelcaro | 3d shmee-d. |
| 08:51.55 | tcp|p | i'm at the debian configuration menu |
| 08:52.00 | tcp|p | only have a few options |
| 08:52.18 | zinx | choose radeon |
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| 08:52.30 | sabdelma | any one have experimented slowdown with testing distrib? |
| 08:52.35 | tcp|p | radeon isn't on there |
| 08:52.57 | zinx | use sarge instead |
| 08:52.59 | dondelelcaro | tcp|p: is this sarge? |
| 08:53.08 | tcp|p | yes it is |
| 08:53.15 | zinx | o_O |
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| 08:53.45 | zinx | is 'ati' an option? |
| 08:53.52 | tcp|p | yup |
| 08:53.56 | sonoud | hi, I added a new harddisk to my desktop computer. make the new one be hda (primary master) and the old one be hdb (primary slave). i installed windows on hda (the new one). but my linux installed on the old harddisk.(it was hda. now it is hdb). how Can I installed grub boot loader? I am in linux rescue mode now. I can't grub-install /dev/hda, it gave me the error:"hdb1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." thanks. |
| 08:54.03 | zinx | choose that.. it just auto-detects between rage/radeon |
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| 08:54.07 | tcp|p | oh ok |
| 08:54.09 | tcp|p | thanks |
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| 08:54.18 | JYL57 | quicket way from W95 with network access to Sarge ?! |
| 08:54.42 | cafuego | JYL57: burn iso, boot iso, install |
| 08:55.01 | dondelelcaro | or netinst, assuming a reasonable network interface... |
| 08:55.16 | JYL57 | cafuego, can't I download something on the box instead ?! |
| 08:55.32 | tcp|p | where do I find the video card bus identifier? |
| 08:55.55 | Delph | JYL57: no. |
| 08:55.55 | tcp|p | or should I just leave it blank? |
| 08:56.10 | mooded | hi all, anybody knows how i can block specific packages from getting upgraded automatically ? |
| 08:56.14 | Delph | JYL57: you *can* but it's not "quick" nor "easy" nor "simple" |
| 08:56.18 | mooded | some kind of blacklist for apt-get update |
| 08:56.33 | boycer | tcp|p: it's probably 1:0.0 |
| 08:56.40 | dondelelcaro | mooded: you hold them. |
| 08:56.45 | boycer | tcp|p: that's what you can get from lspci -v :) |
| 08:56.46 | sabdelma | maybe distrib upgrade should resolve my slowdown problem but haven't do that in production server I want to be sure that will not break anything |
| 08:56.55 | dondelelcaro | mooded: this is easy to do using aptitude, or you can use --set-selections with dpkg. |
| 08:57.06 | boycer | tcp|p: oh, that's assuming it's an AGP card and you've only got one slot |
| 08:57.19 | tcp|p | boycer: it is |
| 08:57.24 | mooded | dondelelcaro, hmm ive only seen that in aptitude... aah that was what i was going to ask :)) (@set-selections) .. thanks a lot dondelelcaro |
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| 08:57.33 | boycer | tcp|p: good good :) |
| 08:58.03 | tcp|p | said it wasn't in the proper format |
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| 08:58.17 | tcp|p | should it be AGP:1:0.0? |
| 08:58.39 | JYL57 | Ok, I'll burn a netinst Cd if my CD driver is ok... |
| 08:58.47 | boycer | tcp|p: perhaps 1:0:0 |
| 08:59.03 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: one more point there will be a little bit of time where testing and stable will be exactly the same... or at least on some mirrors |
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| 08:59.29 | HostingGeek | for those 3 mins or so or more i am right? |
| 08:59.34 | tcp|p | "The BusID entered was not in a recognized format" |
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| 08:59.54 | tcp|p | examples are: ISA:1 and PCI:0:16:0 |
| 08:59.59 | bob2 | tcp|p: leave it blank |
| 09:00.05 | tcp|p | haha |
| 09:00.06 | dondelelcaro | HostingGeek: no, because that's not how the actual release works. |
| 09:00.08 | tcp|p | well that was easy |
| 09:00.10 | simonrvn | how does one do #ifdef (defined HAVE_KRB || defined DRAC_AUTH) properly? |
| 09:00.26 | HostingGeek | dondelelcaro: :| |
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| 09:00.45 | boycer | tcp|p: PCI:1:0:0 might have worked... <sulks> |
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| 09:01.42 | R1ck | how do you delete all characters from current position to end of line, in vim? |
| 09:01.45 | cafuego | #ifdef (HAVE_KRB || DRAC_AUTH) |
| 09:01.51 | cafuego | R1ck: d$ |
| 09:02.00 | R1ck | thanks |
| 09:02.03 | jm_ | or just D |
| 09:02.08 | simonrvn | thank you cafuego |
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| 09:02.14 | cafuego | simonrvn: and you :-) |
| 09:02.14 | bob2 | cafuego: who do you co-locate with again? |
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| 09:02.18 | simonrvn | -D right? |
| 09:02.19 | XTR-lol | Man, it's late. |
| 09:02.20 | cafuego | bob2: ozservers |
| 09:02.25 | cafuego | bob2: www.ozservers.com.au |
| 09:02.32 | bob2 | cafuego: thanks |
| 09:02.53 | mooded | hmm.. dondelelcaro, dpkg doesnt know those parameters (--get-selection / --set-selection) .. im running debian sarge (testing) .. any hints ? |
| 09:02.58 | bob2 | eep : |
| 09:03.01 | bob2 | | |
| 09:03.40 | cafuego | Hmm, their base price has gone up. Then again, you get 512Mb and 80GB for that now. |
| 09:04.12 | simonrvn | still pukes with "pop3d.c:531:8: macro names must be identifiers" |
| 09:04.54 | simonrvn | mooded: man dpkg |
| 09:04.59 | dondelelcaro | mooded: it's get-selections; and set-selections; |
| 09:05.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell mooded about hold |
| 09:05.32 | cafuego | ifdef OHH_SHIT_WE_HAVE_TO_CONVERT_AGAIN_ARRRRRRGH |
| 09:05.38 | bob2 | cafuego: but with no Debian option! |
| 09:05.41 | simonrvn | what's the doc i can read to figure out how to set an #ifdef |
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| 09:05.59 | cafuego | bob2: No, but tell them and they'll install it. |
| 09:06.12 | jm_ | simonrvn: who says that? |
| 09:06.17 | mooded | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot again |
| 09:06.18 | cafuego | bob2: I called and they said "Just note in your order which debian you want". |
| 09:06.31 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: gcc? |
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| 09:06.47 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: -D name Predefine name as a macro, with definition 1. |
| 09:06.54 | huliganz | does anybody know I can get apache-ant deb package? |
| 09:07.19 | huliganz | nothing in apt-get.org :( |
| 09:07.19 | bob2 | cafuego: ah |
| 09:07.23 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: assuming that's what you meant |
| 09:07.43 | cafuego | bob2: Speed seems nice there. Fetched 31.9MB in 36s (864kB/s) |
| 09:07.53 | bob2 | cafuego: yum |
| 09:07.54 | cafuego | bob2: Mind you, I've also managed 2MB/sec from aarnet. |
| 09:08.01 | bob2 | cafuego: what sort of latency from your place? |
| 09:08.14 | bob2 | I've been spoilt by 100ms to brisbane |
| 09:08.43 | cafuego | bob2: I've got piong disabled, but shells are as fast as local. |
| 09:08.48 | bob2 | woo |
| 09:09.06 | cafuego | bob2: And I'm internode, so I get routed through Adelaide. |
| 09:09.11 | JYL57 | any cool GUI ftp client ?! |
| 09:09.38 | drac | JYL57: gftp |
| 09:09.38 | tga | JYL57: konqueror |
| 09:09.39 | ArtVandalae | Internode, me too! :P |
| 09:09.39 | dondelelcaro | JYL57: you're better off just using a good cli one, like lftp |
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| 09:09.47 | cafuego | ArtVandalae: I could have sworn you were belgian. |
| 09:09.51 | bob2 | hm, internode don't send me through adelaide |
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| 09:10.14 | JYL57 | already have lftp... |
| 09:10.28 | bob2 | cbr, syd, brisbane |
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| 09:11.13 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 09:11.20 | HostingGeek | cafuego: your on a adsl2 trial? |
| 09:11.21 | bob2 | ArtVandalae: do you enjoy mayo on chips? |
| 09:11.26 | libpcp | i would like to setup a pure dns server only using bind9, what ports should i only allow to make the dns work and block the other ports? |
| 09:11.39 | sussudio | !doe ArtVandalae |
| 09:11.52 | bob2 | libpcp: 53, udp and tcp, in and out |
| 09:12.04 | cafuego | bob2: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 37.891/39.496/41.792/1.126 ms [Ineternode -> Telstra(mel) -> telstra(syd) -> Telstra(bris) -> optus(Bris) -> OzServers (Used to route via adeways, not anymore it would appear) |
| 09:12.21 | bob2 | um, cool |
| 09:12.34 | cafuego | HostingGeek: No such luck, exchange onl;y does iinet hi-speed and iinet suck. |
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| 09:12.44 | libpcp | bob2 only 53? |
| 09:13.00 | bob2 | libpcp: that's the dns port |
| 09:13.04 | HostingGeek | cafuego: what type of connection you have? |
| 09:13.09 | bob2 | you obviously need to allow whatever outgoing ports |
| 09:13.32 | libpcp | what about 113? |
| 09:13.44 | bob2 | the ident port? |
| 09:13.52 | cafuego | ArtVandalae: http://www.cafuego.net/internode-usage.php |
| 09:13.53 | HostingGeek | !``3 |
| 09:13.57 | cafuego | libpcp: Yes, unless you want to remotely admin it via rndc. |
| 09:13.58 | HostingGeek | !113 |
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| 09:14.12 | libpcp | ah okay |
| 09:14.15 | cafuego | libpcp: identd is not required. |
| 09:14.18 | bob2 | HostingGeek: please? |
| 09:14.33 | libpcp | thanks a lot guys. i will build my firewall now |
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| 09:14.51 | bob2 | don't forget to allow ssh |
| 09:15.25 | HostingGeek | and to lock root |
| 09:15.29 | cafuego | bob2: And if say the domain admin panels on the customer website are missing something you'd like, they'll happily add it in. (I asked for TXT field entry so I could add SPF - took 'em 2 days) |
| 09:15.30 | beeblebrox87 | i am having problems with libpam-mount. i downgraded a bunch of packages on my system and now when libpam-mount tries to mount my home directory at login it gets a "wrong fs type, bad superblock, or whatever" error |
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| 09:18.10 | bob2 | cafuego: hm, cool |
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| 09:20.21 | reNegad3 | aight back to the shoes |
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| 09:22.57 | reNegad3 | im setting up a debian router.....ive downloaded a Debian iptables script, for some reason it doesnt work, it comes up with alot of errors and command not found :( is it possible I might not have the right version?? or I dont have additional packages? |
| 09:24.30 | bob2 | the problem is "running a debian iptables script" |
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| 09:24.56 | reNegad3 | bob2, why would that be the problem?? |
| 09:25.09 | reNegad3 | hrmm i think he may have made some spelling mistakes |
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| 09:25.20 | reNegad3 | I might have to go through it a bit more in depth |
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| 09:25.47 | reNegad3 | but it also has errors for the switches |
| 09:25.55 | reNegad3 | or options whatever you wanna call it |
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| 09:28.42 | bob2 | reNegad3: I wasn't criticising your spelling |
| 09:28.49 | bob2 | but downloading some random firewall script is a bad idea |
| 09:29.01 | tarzeau | hmmmm http://bts.turmzimmer.net/ |
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| 09:30.15 | bob2 | it's way better to decide what you want it to do and use shorewall or read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 09:31.03 | tromca02 | i got this telwell router but i don't know what ip it is can i search for other ips in the network? |
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| 09:35.01 | HostingGeek | *offtopic rant* "Humans have names only because they are to stupid to remember numbers" <<< the guy which said this was to stupid to know what a human is |
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| 09:35.26 | HostingGeek | i shouldn't of said that offtopic rant please don't ban me |
| 09:35.28 | reNegad3 | bob2, no offense taken :) it wasnt my spelling |
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| 09:35.58 | reNegad3 | I just didnt understand what you meant by its a debian script |
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| 09:37.16 | bob2 | HostingGeek: please stop it |
| 09:37.20 | bob2 | HostingGeek: I will not warn again |
| 09:37.28 | sabdelma | should I use apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:37.36 | HostingGeek | dist |
| 09:37.45 | bob2 | sabdelma: depends what you want to do |
| 09:37.56 | bob2 | sabdelma: if you use dist-upgrade, make sure you carefully check what apt wants to do |
| 09:37.57 | HostingGeek | bob2: he wants to downgrade.... |
| 09:38.14 | sabdelma | ok |
| 09:38.28 | bob2 | sabdelma: you want to downgrade? |
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| 09:38.58 | HostingGeek | bob2: read your logs |
| 09:39.22 | sabdelma | No any more |
| 09:39.24 | bob2 | then, no, there is no way to do that |
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| 09:39.35 | HostingGeek | <sabdelma> is there a way to upgrade from testing to stable with apt? |
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| 09:39.51 | HostingGeek | sabdelma: oh |
| 09:40.31 | RichiH | HostingGeek: if you read everything, he wants to go from sarge to stable, once it becomes stable |
| 09:40.32 | sabdelma | Yes wanted to that by I think i should ugrade because a have serious slowdown |
| 09:40.40 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
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| 09:40.49 | sussudio | hmm. |
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| 09:41.14 | RichiH | sabdelma: i doubt it's coming from the packages you installed. you can check bugs.debian.org, of course |
| 09:41.25 | peterS | a happy Monday to you, SlayerXP |
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| 09:41.35 | SlayerXP | it could be, fingers crossed |
| 09:41.41 | HostingGeek | RichiH: i know hence my hole convo with dondelelcaro about when testing to stable can be a upgrade.... |
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| 09:42.09 | panda | are there any tools/ways to see the process names just got swapped out? |
| 09:42.15 | RichiH | HostingGeek: wir, easy as that |
| 09:42.20 | SlayerXP | panda: top |
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| 09:42.40 | panda | SlayerXP, what field? |
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| 09:43.08 | panda | SlayerXP, what field in top shows that? |
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| 09:43.11 | SlayerXP | panda: err "ps auxw" I meant |
| 09:43.17 | SlayerXP | panda: see the STAT column |
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| 09:43.26 | konsol | is there a way to setup a debian box in ip poll |
| 09:43.31 | konsol | is there a way to setup a debian box in ip pool |
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| 09:44.37 | panda | SlayerXP, i mean a tool could print out processes got swapped in real time |
| 09:44.52 | bob2 | does the kernel even track that? |
| 09:44.52 | SlayerXP | panda: errm, no idea. |
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| 09:45.29 | panda | bob2, if there's no such tool, i'd like to write one, and with it added to debian |
| 09:45.42 | panda | bob2, s/with/wish/ |
| 09:45.47 | trogger | how do I put a catchall alias in /etc/aliases so random email messages get delivered to a single user (exim4) |
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| 09:46.08 | TheTom | can anyone tell me why an image get bigger in filesize when i resize it? |
| 09:46.25 | trogger | TheTom: different compression / file type |
| 09:47.09 | TheTom | trogger: same filetype. diff. compression, ok... i'm using mogrify |
| 09:47.15 | panda | SlayerXP, btw, which PROCESS STATE is for that? |
| 09:47.35 | SlayerXP | panda: of the top of my head I'm not sure |
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| 09:48.01 | peterS | panda: process state for what, again? |
| 09:48.12 | panda | SlayerXP, so ps doesn't show |
| 09:48.18 | peterS | panda: being fully swapped out isn't really a different state from being partially swapped out, which almost every process is |
| 09:48.24 | panda | peterS, the current/last got swapped process name |
| 09:48.43 | caphuso | panda: process names don't get swapped out |
| 09:48.48 | peterS | panda: processes don't get swapped out wholesale as a single operation. individual pages get swapped out. a process can have most of its pages on disk |
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| 09:49.02 | panda | peterS, i mean swapped out, either partially or fully |
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| 09:49.09 | peterS | panda: so you look at the RSS versus the VSZ. |
| 09:49.26 | peterS | panda: RSS is how much physical memory a process is using, VSZ is how much it *could* be using if fully swapped in |
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| 09:49.53 | peterS | panda: you'll find, I think, that *most* of your processes are *mostly* swapped out *most* of the time |
| 09:50.01 | panda | i just want to know the kernel actions, not how much mem, etc peterS |
| 09:50.13 | peterS | panda: then you'll have to write a kernel module to report this stuff for you |
| 09:50.25 | panda | peterS, i know, i just search for a tool could show me in realtime |
| 09:50.35 | panda | peterS, k, thanks |
| 09:50.46 | peterS | panda: please get it out of your head that the kernel "swaps out a specific process". it doesn't. it swaps out individual pages, which might belong to any number of processes (simultaneously, sometimes) |
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| 09:51.01 | panda | peterS, it do |
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| 09:51.30 | peterS | panda: many pages are shared between processes, because they're actually in shared libraries used by multiple programs. when swapping out those pages, which process did you want the kernel to tell you it had "swapped out"? |
| 09:51.31 | panda | peterS, it swaps out individual pages from individual processes |
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| 09:51.52 | panda | peterS, the lib name |
| 09:52.01 | solomonn | can cdrdao only rip cd's using a cd burner, not a normal cdrom drive? |
| 09:52.16 | peterS | solomonn: no clue - but that would be passing strange |
| 09:52.23 | quitte | solomonn: no, a normal cd drive should work |
| 09:52.26 | solomonn | peterS: yeah pretty strange |
| 09:52.48 | quitte | solomonn: try using scsi emulation |
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| 09:53.11 | peterS | panda: anyway. the kernel doesn't keep a running commentary about its VM decisions. you can see the state of the system, and then check it again 5 seconds later and see what changed. that's the best you're gonna do |
| 09:53.15 | solomonn | quitte: this drive won't rip at all when scsi emulation is enabled |
| 09:53.29 | solomonn | quitte: i am thinking that only cd burners will work with scsi emulation... |
| 09:53.45 | panda | peterS, it does |
| 09:53.46 | quitte | solomonn: no - any ide device works with scsi emulation |
| 09:53.53 | solomonn | quitte: hrm, well, this one didn't :) |
| 09:53.57 | peterS | panda: shrug. ok then. *you* answer your question then. |
| 09:54.20 | panda | peterS, kernel keeps, but no tools to display it yet |
| 09:54.32 | peterS | panda: what /proc file is this running commentary exposed in? |
| 09:54.57 | panda | peterS, hold on, i'll check, maybe not exposed yet |
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| 09:55.09 | jetscreamer | wtf is mis |
| 09:55.26 | solomonn | oh, silly me |
| 09:55.28 | jetscreamer | mah internet services? |
| 09:55.30 | solomonn | maybe |
| 09:55.37 | solomonn | ... does cdparanoia work with scsi emulation? |
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| 09:55.40 | jetscreamer | managed? |
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| 09:56.01 | peterS | jetscreamer: 'management of information systems' as a college degree, is how I think of MIS |
| 09:56.02 | ricky_clarkson | mismanaged internet services? |
| 09:56.07 | jetscreamer | ahh ok that |
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| 09:56.29 | peterS | jetscreamer: "dotcom business degree", maybe (: |
| 09:56.31 | jetscreamer | that's a degree? sheesh they give degrees for anything nowadays eh |
| 09:56.40 | panda | peterS, i don't know about 2.6, but 2.4 keeps, but not exposed :( |
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| 09:57.19 | jetscreamer | i need to become a university so i can just give myself a phd |
| 09:57.41 | jetscreamer | ujs.. i like it |
| 09:57.59 | caphuso | panda: where? |
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| 09:58.30 | solomonn | time for another reboot to re-enable scsi |
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| 09:58.43 | peterS | solomonn: you can't just modprobe scsi_mod? (: |
| 09:58.48 | peterS | eh, he left |
| 09:58.49 | jetscreamer | why, is that a thing? too late |
| 10:01.38 | Jesper_DK | How do i install my kernel-headers (2.6.6-2-686), they are not available from apt? |
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| 10:01.58 | simonrvn | meh |
| 10:02.09 | simonrvn | simonrvn ) what's the doc i can read to figure out how to set an #ifdef |
| 10:02.12 | jetscreamer | 2.6.6 eh |
| 10:02.14 | simonrvn | simonrvn ) and setting #ifdef HAVE_KRB\n#ifdef DRAC_AUTH won't work, like i would like it to work, will it ;) |
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| 10:02.39 | Jesper_DK | whats wrong with 2.6.6 ? |
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| 10:03.05 | zOap | Jesper_DK, whats wrong? |
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| 10:03.26 | zOap | Jesper_DK, can you be more vague? |
| 10:03.45 | Jesper_DK | the headers are not available from apt |
| 10:03.53 | jetscreamer | Jesper_DK, that kernel may be deprecated |
| 10:04.08 | jetscreamer | check with apt-cache search blah |
| 10:04.10 | Jesper_DK | deprecated ?? |
| 10:04.12 | simonrvn | um, full of holes is one thing |
| 10:04.28 | jetscreamer | yeah, i got to use a big word, cool eh |
| 10:04.35 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 10:04.48 | Jesper_DK | hehe, well what version would you recomend ? |
| 10:05.05 | jetscreamer | the latest v in sarge |
| 10:05.07 | zOap | jetscreamer, thnx:) Denne danske mand har moske en kernel som er utgått? hehe, sorry |
| 10:05.25 | jetscreamer | !find kernel-image-2.6.8 sarge |
| 10:05.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kernel-image-2.6.8' (10): kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-generic ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-10-em64t-p4-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp ;; kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ... |
| 10:05.31 | jetscreamer | i think that's the latest |
| 10:06.10 | Jesper_DK | rigth, ill get a more up-to-date kernel :-) |
| 10:06.22 | zOap | Jesper,gør det du |
| 10:06.36 | Jesper_DK | tak |
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| 10:11.13 | jetscreamer | should work out |
| 10:11.21 | Phated | A monkey could fake VB. :) |
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| 10:12.25 | peterS | that would be amusing, if a little scary |
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| 10:12.48 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:13.09 | peterS | oh hey, it's Phat Ed. |
| 10:13.27 | jetscreamer | hey hey hey... it's phat edert |
| 10:13.33 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 10:13.35 | Phated | :P :) |
| 10:13.36 | peterS | jetscreamer: ha |
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| 10:13.54 | peterS | Phat Ed: the #debian hip hop DJ |
| 10:14.29 | jerome | playing with posix ACL, I'm wondering how to make a non-owner user able to change acl on a file ? (user1-owner sets full privileges to user2 on file.acl using setfacl, but user2 can't setfacl file.acl ) |
| 10:14.35 | jerome | any idea ? |
| 10:14.47 | bob2 | is that even possible? |
| 10:14.52 | peterS | I don't think it's possible |
| 10:14.54 | peterS | but I could be wrong |
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| 10:15.00 | bob2 | even with ACLs, you still have a single owner, right? |
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| 10:15.11 | Shadur | From what I understand, yes. |
| 10:15.13 | jetscreamer | they don't have groups? |
| 10:15.16 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
| 10:15.18 | HostingGeek | whats that app to change the uglay default qt theme? (and those qt people say GTK is uglay....) |
| 10:15.35 | Phated | GTK -is- ugly. GTK2 is not. :) |
| 10:15.37 | peterS | yeah. question is whether you can allow a non-owner to change the ACL. with traditional unix permissions you can't, and I'm thinking this was carried over into POSIX ACLs |
| 10:15.38 | Pomax | Would anyone know why the debian sarge installer will boot off my CD, but then consequently claim it cannot mount my CDROM when reaching that point in the install process? |
| 10:15.47 | Shadur | jetscreamer: yuo have groups, but groups aren't owners. |
| 10:16.03 | bob2 | Pomax: #debian-boot |
| 10:16.10 | jetscreamer | is windows really posix compliant? |
| 10:16.10 | Pomax | cheers |
| 10:16.13 | peterS | Pomax: booting off the CD requires the BIOS to recognise the CD-ROM drive and IDE interface and such. mounting it requires the *kernel* to recognise all that stuff |
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| 10:16.19 | jetscreamer | nt |
| 10:16.30 | bob2 | jetscreamer: no |
| 10:16.38 | bob2 | but there's some addon layer that claims to be |
| 10:16.39 | peterS | jetscreamer: WinNT has a POSIX module. it is reputed to suck and be horribly buggy and pointless except as a checklist item so they could get some DOD contracts. |
| 10:17.07 | peterS | never mind that no DOD contract that specified POSIX compliance would actually want to *use* the POSIX module for NT |
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| 10:17.12 | jetscreamer | i mean 2k&> not 4.0 |
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| 10:17.33 | JYL57 | hello, how to block my users on Firefox only and disallow any other application ?! |
| 10:17.41 | chugga | thanks debian, ive really appreciated the help you guys gave me over the last month or so. bless you all :) |
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| 10:17.54 | cIclops | can i use RPM packages with Debian? |
| 10:18.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove not-firefox |
| 10:18.09 | apt-get | Huh? |
| 10:18.25 | bob2 | cIclops: not easily |
| 10:18.28 | apt-get | Not-firefox? |
| 10:18.31 | bob2 | cIclops: alien can convert them |
| 10:18.36 | jetscreamer | alien does rpm conversions and will install it too.. but bob2 knows more |
| 10:18.40 | bob2 | apt-get: it was pretty pbviously a joke |
| 10:18.48 | jetscreamer | apt-get, change your name |
| 10:18.51 | apt-get | Oh lol |
| 10:18.58 | jetscreamer | or get used to it :) |
| 10:19.30 | jetscreamer | [04.17.38] <JYL57> hello, how to block my users on Firefox only and disallow any other application ?! |
| 10:19.38 | jetscreamer | take the other crap out |
| 10:19.39 | JYL57 | jetscreamer, I don't want removing other applis |
| 10:19.39 | apt-get | Ok here what I did ... I went to Debians website and bought the 14 set of CD-s sarge should be here tomorow |
| 10:19.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 10:19.53 | jetscreamer | set the permissions on them maybe |
| 10:20.02 | jetscreamer | ugly, but functional |
| 10:20.08 | apt-get | I just now noticed that other sites only sold them in sets of 7 |
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| 10:20.15 | JYL57 | The box will be in a public area |
| 10:20.30 | apt-get | why 14 cd-s am I going to need all 14 cds to install Sargew debian |
| 10:20.34 | jetscreamer | no |
| 10:20.38 | apt-get | Sarge Debian |
| 10:20.39 | jetscreamer | there can be only one |
| 10:20.45 | jetscreamer | in the cd at one time |
| 10:20.53 | apt-get | The CD set should arive tomorow |
| 10:20.56 | jetscreamer | err cdrom |
| 10:21.04 | apt-get | I can hardley wait |
| 10:21.12 | jetscreamer | dialup? |
| 10:21.15 | luctor | Im trying to install kde but in sid I get Depends: kdewebdev but it is not going to be installed |
| 10:21.16 | jetscreamer | :/ |
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| 10:21.18 | luctor | E: Broken packages |
| 10:21.20 | apt-get | just dont know whats up with 14 CD-s |
| 10:21.23 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 10:21.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 10:21.27 | apt-get | why so many? |
| 10:21.46 | jetscreamer | apt-get, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is why |
| 10:21.59 | apt-get | I dont get it |
| 10:22.14 | apt-get | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.15 | jetscreamer | i thought you said you were going to get it |
| 10:22.22 | jetscreamer | o |
| 10:22.22 | apt-get | Tomorow |
| 10:22.26 | apt-get | The CD-s lol |
| 10:22.31 | apt-get | all 14 of them |
| 10:22.42 | apt-get | Brand new direct from Debians factorey |
| 10:23.25 | peterS | apt-get: we know that isn't actually true, because debian doesn't sell CDs directly. however, we also don't care very much. |
| 10:23.37 | apt-get | Yeah they do |
| 10:23.39 | jetscreamer | apt-get, because debian supports a lot of architectures and you can't fit an entire repository on one cd.. that's a guess, but maybe |
| 10:24.03 | apt-get | I'll get the link |
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| 10:24.47 | apt-get | Here it is |
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| 10:24.51 | apt-get | http://010101.biz/ |
| 10:24.59 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 10:25.10 | jetscreamer | wow debian.org got a new addy |
| 10:25.20 | apt-get | http://010101.biz/ |
| 10:25.22 | tarzeau | what's the 2nd last value from /proc/loadavg ? |
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| 10:25.39 | jerome | jetscreamer: if you want users stuck on firefox, just startx with a "whike true do firefox done" loop in your .xinitrc. That should do. |
| 10:26.02 | HostingGeek | whats that app to change the uglay default qt theme? (and those qt people say GTK is uglay....)?????? someone answer the question with out going into some GTK talk |
| 10:26.03 | apt-get | I dont see why it's showing up as debians website |
| 10:26.11 | jetscreamer | jerome, wasn't me, was JYL57 |
| 10:26.26 | jerome | jetscreamer: bad completion then :) |
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| 10:26.27 | bob2 | HostingGeek: please go away |
| 10:26.31 | JYL57 | jerome, are you telling startx parameters ?! |
| 10:26.32 | bob2 | HostingGeek: or learn to be politew |
| 10:26.42 | jetscreamer | HostingGeek, apt-cache search <searchterm\. |
| 10:26.50 | tarzeau | apt-get: isn't the swirl wrong? |
| 10:27.04 | HostingGeek | jetscreamer: i have qt installed |
| 10:27.14 | jetscreamer | HostingGeek, arent you the guy who just got unklined or something from freenode the other day? |
| 10:27.20 | HostingGeek | its not qtconfig as i remember it being |
| 10:27.31 | HostingGeek | jetscreamer: i have been unklined from months |
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| 10:27.36 | HostingGeek | *for |
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| 10:27.44 | bob2 | he's banned from most channels, tho |
| 10:27.49 | bob2 | he's evading a ban here, more or less |
| 10:27.59 | HostingGeek | bob2: no i am not you said: |
| 10:28.00 | jetscreamer | ahh unbanned from #freenode |
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| 10:28.10 | HostingGeek | <HostingGeek> bob2: does this mean i am unbanned? |
| 10:28.10 | HostingGeek | <HostingGeek> bob2: if yes i'll be a good boy :) |
| 10:28.14 | Esaj | anyone know of a good instruction-level profiler? |
| 10:28.14 | HostingGeek | <bob2> HostingGeek: if you do not annoy anyone |
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| 10:28.53 | jetscreamer | alindeman unbanned you or something and lilo +q'd you later... or was that somebody else... |
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| 10:29.06 | HostingGeek | jetscreamer: not me |
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| 10:29.31 | bob2 | HostingGeek: god, shut up |
| 10:29.46 | HostingGeek | jetscreamer: lilo gave me a voice and then removed and then RichiH gave me one and .... cya i am not going to put up with this |
| 10:29.50 | HostingGeek | bob2: BYE! |
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| 10:30.10 | jetscreamer | i'm cursed with memory |
| 10:30.27 | RichiH | jetscreamer: yah, i have that, too |
| 10:30.39 | RichiH | amnesia is so much more convenient than memory |
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| 10:31.23 | sep | RichiH: untill you try to logon to your computer and you cant remember your password (or your username even) |
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| 10:32.36 | keta | nah passwords do rely on souls, not memory |
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| 10:32.39 | cIclops | what should debian 3.1 sources.list contain? |
| 10:32.53 | jetscreamer | a mirror you get good connect to |
| 10:33.01 | SlayerXP | 7 bit ascii text |
| 10:33.07 | keta | hah |
| 10:33.08 | sep | cIclops: apt-setup will write a good sources.list for you |
| 10:33.41 | jetscreamer | http://hfds.com/debian_files/sources.list.txt |
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| 10:35.01 | jetscreamer | lol i've never seen deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main before |
| 10:35.03 | ircdevil | hehehehehehe -> http://www.bash.org/?466023 |
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| 10:35.17 | ArtVandalae | !tell coolblade about root |
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| 10:35.29 | no-id | what is the easiest method to back up a debian system to a remote ftp ? or sftp ? |
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| 10:36.26 | superSSS | Mozilla overflows my X, when I see a flash site, how do i fix that? |
| 10:36.27 | ircdevil | no-id: bad question. comparing cycles with bananas there |
| 10:36.53 | cIclops | sep i ran that and it inserts a duplicate entry |
| 10:36.53 | ircdevil | superSSS: remove flash plugin |
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| 10:38.08 | cIclops | sep should i delete sources.list and run apt-setup? |
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| 10:38.51 | ircdevil | cIclops: backup sources.list first |
| 10:39.02 | no-id | ircdevil: i just need to back up a system in a hurry ! what should i do ...i can run an ftp server on my (windows) laptop and burn the files to a dvd-rw .... |
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| 10:39.25 | ircdevil | no-id: have a look at rdiff-backup |
| 10:39.38 | uraclea_laptop | morgen |
| 10:39.51 | no-id | ircdevil: i will look into that thank you |
| 10:39.59 | chugga | no-id, use ssh .. use wincps, use samba. use the tools. |
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| 10:40.41 | NoNeo | Hi all... |
| 10:40.41 | SlayerXP | http://www.bash.org/?464385 |
| 10:40.41 | SlayerXP | *snigger& |
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| 10:40.41 | cIclops | ircdevil: yep now i have a sources.list that makes sense (almost) |
| 10:40.42 | NoNeo | I there any .deb delivering Java for Mozilla? |
| 10:40.47 | ircdevil | no-id: of cause for a simple backup here and now, just use tar and cdrecord |
| 10:41.00 | tcp|p | I have a ati radeon 9700, should I look into the linux driver on the ati site or just use whatever is running now? |
| 10:41.27 | ircdevil | cIclops: you can edit sources.list and put in comments and extras of your liking. |
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| 10:41.45 | no-id | the debian machine is remote ... i do not have access to cdrecort on the machine .... the only access i have is ftp and ssh ... |
| 10:42.06 | raghu | no-id: ssh is best |
| 10:42.17 | cIclops | is it better to install an app (mplayer) using alien to convert an RPM package, or using a unofficial .deb package? |
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| 10:42.50 | jetscreamer | just use the marillat sources |
| 10:42.52 | no-id | raghu: i agree but ...i need to know how can i do a full back up once and only do incrimental backups after this with ssh .. |
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| 10:43.14 | chugga | no-id, are you backing up from nix or windows? |
| 10:43.29 | raghu | no-id: use rsync with ssh |
| 10:43.29 | no-id | chugga: windows |
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| 10:43.30 | ircdevil | no-id: well, tar and gzip the directories you want to backup on the remote deb machine. and then ftp/ssh them to your windows box for burning. do note that ftp is unsecure compared to ssh - but then agian, that depends on your network setup. |
| 10:44.09 | cIclops | ircdevil: yep thanks, i did that before and messed up sources.list - so i used apt-setup to create a clean sources.list |
| 10:44.35 | marcin | hi |
| 10:44.42 | marcin | I got a problem with ppp connection |
| 10:45.01 | marcin | I added iface ppp0 to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:45.11 | ircdevil | cIclops: then do take care to not the structure of the deb lines in the sources list :o) you might even learn something |
| 10:45.17 | marcin | but it doesn't start on system boot |
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| 10:45.23 | ircdevil | cIclops: err s/not/note/ |
| 10:45.42 | marcin | while it works after /etc/init.d/network restart |
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| 10:45.48 | marcin | could someone hepl me? |
| 10:46.00 | cIclops | ircdevil: indeed! |
| 10:46.09 | ircdevil | marcin: what does dmesg tell you ? |
| 10:46.28 | keta | marcin: man interfaces, i guess you miss the auto ppp0 statement. |
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| 10:46.43 | marcin | keta: nope |
| 10:46.44 | chugga | no-id, so you are backing up from windows onto linux, yes? |
| 10:46.56 | jetscreamer | don't ou need an auto in there somewhere for it to come up on boot? |
| 10:46.56 | marcin | keta my interfaces file is ok |
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| 10:47.27 | marcin | keta: I think that problem is that it takes too long to establish this ppp connection |
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| 10:47.42 | marcin | keta: it's gprs |
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| 10:48.19 | mooded | is there a recommended place for getting squid-ntlm for debian ? (any nice maintainers ?) or just go the default (configure/compiling) -way ? |
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| 10:48.46 | marcin | keta: and it can establish connection when /etc/init.d/networking restart but not on boot because it goes to another init scritps to fast |
| 10:48.47 | keta | marcin: maybe gprs connection devices stuff is not loaded before /etc/init.d/network starts |
| 10:48.47 | mooded | anybody knows ? |
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| 10:48.54 | marcin | s/to/too |
| 10:48.55 | tct | where is the desktop folder if you use wine? |
| 10:49.03 | tct | or how would you dind it? |
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| 10:49.05 | marcin | keta: you mean kernel module? |
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| 10:49.43 | keta | marcin: dunno, I mean irda/serial/bluetooth connection to the gprs modem :) |
| 10:49.59 | marcin | keta: no it's just usb modem |
| 10:50.10 | tct | s/dind/find |
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| 10:50.41 | keta | well, then check the load status of usb modules |
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| 10:51.20 | marcin | keta: I really don't think if it is a problem |
| 10:51.55 | marcin | keta: this device is initialized and script is trying to establish connection |
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| 10:52.21 | marcin | keta: but it goes too fast to another initial procedure |
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| 10:52.30 | jetscreamer | set the rings, set the baud |
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| 10:53.09 | jetscreamer | err not baud, wtf is that.. 115200 or something |
| 10:53.18 | raghu | why the permissions of folders change? |
| 10:53.20 | keta | what about setting a sleep command in pre-up? |
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| 10:53.24 | raghu | in squid? |
| 10:53.29 | Gh0sty | morning |
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| 10:53.58 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner111111111111111111111111111 |
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| 10:55.56 | simonrvn | peterS: what does a '&' do in front of an argument? like in: "&schedule" |
| 10:56.00 | R1ck | hm, I apt-getted php4-pear, but when I want to pear install <something> it says it cant find PEAR.php. did I forget to install something? |
| 10:56.08 | peterS | simonrvn: in perl? or? |
| 10:56.12 | simonrvn | C |
| 10:56.30 | peterS | simonrvn: creates a pointer to a variable |
| 10:56.39 | simonrvn | oh |
| 10:56.47 | simonrvn | that's why it was puking |
| 10:56.50 | peterS | well, sort of. "creates" is wrong here, no actual pointer exists |
| 10:57.00 | chugga | petemc, points to the address of said thing, |
| 10:57.12 | simonrvn | i'll paste the stuff in #flood, show you |
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| 10:59.29 | marcin | keta: I think that this may be related with this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=127786 |
| 10:59.57 | fusion | hrm will "last" always tell you who has logged in? or are there ways to evade it? |
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| 11:02.58 | njan | fusion, man last |
| 11:03.15 | RichiH | is there any 'easy' way to capture a video of my screen? |
| 11:03.29 | njan | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.29 | jm_ | RichiH: gvidcap |
| 11:03.31 | simonrvn | peterS: hehe, "client exciting!!11!!" |
| 11:03.50 | RichiH | jm_: thanks, i will look at it |
| 11:03.58 | njan | fusion, so it logically follows that if you clear the information from wtmp, you've evaded last ;) |
| 11:04.06 | peterS | simonrvn: I should change that quit message at some point. I've had it a rather long time (: most of the time I supply an explicit quit message so you don't see that one |
| 11:04.15 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:04.35 | keta | marcin: yah, an ifupdown bug, you could try that diversion attached |
| 11:05.02 | RichiH | peterS, simonrvn: what message? |
| 11:05.15 | simonrvn | part: peterS parted #flood ("Client Exciting!!!!!111") |
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| 11:07.32 | sevenoak | is there a tool like find, to search throuch various directories content with regex? |
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| 11:07.44 | robin_sz | morning girls, OK, I'm confused .. I seem to have (on debian Sarge) Apache2 for plain ol http and Apache 1.3 for SSL ... that aitn going to work, so how do I get one or the other for both flavours of http, I dont care whterh its apapche2 or apache 1.3 so long as its the same for both |
| 11:07.46 | sevenoak | i can i combine sometools? |
| 11:07.53 | sevenoak | i = or |
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| 11:08.58 | peterS | robin_sz: what people seem to be doing is installing 'apache' and 'apache-ssl'. both are 1.3. they live separate lives, with configuration in /etc/apache/ and /etc/apache-ssl/. |
| 11:09.36 | peterS | robin_sz: I think there are ways to run a single apache server that handles both ssl and non-ssl, but for some reason I don't hear of people actually using that mode |
| 11:09.57 | robin_sz | peterS ahh, OK, it just got apache2 by default, no problem, i'll blow that away and replace it with apache |
| 11:10.03 | fusion | Hm..I have numerous logs from an IP designated as an IANA reserved IP (112.175.21.XXX) - should I be alarmed? |
| 11:10.23 | robin_sz | peterS, yeah one server for both is my normal ting, |
| 11:10.54 | sevenoak | can 'find' also search for file-contents? |
| 11:10.56 | RichiH | fusion: i get spoofed sender addresses quite often. nothing you can do ;) |
| 11:11.01 | simonrvn | peterS: do here. 'cause most folks have ip blocks |
| 11:11.01 | peterS | sevenoak: no |
| 11:11.10 | SlayerXP | sevenoak: no, that's what we have 'grep' for |
| 11:11.21 | peterS | robin_sz: I guess you can install 'apache' and 'libapache-mod-ssl'. configuration is up to you, I haven't actually done that |
| 11:11.22 | fusion | RichiH, but its shown in "last -d" |
| 11:11.26 | cafuego | vhell vhell |
| 11:11.28 | RichiH | sevenoak: you can whip up a wrapper script with find, xargs and grep, though |
| 11:11.50 | RichiH | fusion: oh |
| 11:11.52 | simonrvn | (though you don't need that if you just run the one vhost) |
| 11:11.57 | fusion | :/ |
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| 11:12.53 | cafuego | sevenoak: Though rgrep might be a tad quicker. |
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| 11:13.03 | fusion | I'm guessing that isnt a good thing.. |
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| 11:13.29 | cafuego | fusion: Justa dd it to the firewall. |
| 11:13.38 | tyia | what filesystem should I use for a DVD that contains /home backup and needs to be usable in windows? |
| 11:13.41 | fusion | ..how? |
| 11:13.54 | tyia | fusion: with netcat |
| 11:13.56 | fusion | If its shown in last doesnt that mean they've logged in? |
| 11:14.02 | cafuego | Wow! |
| 11:14.15 | cafuego | whois 112.175.21.0 -> Unknown AS number or IP network. Please upgrade this program. |
| 11:14.22 | infodroid | tyia: vfat should be ok |
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| 11:14.32 | fusion | There are about 3 different IPs... |
| 11:14.41 | fusion | all "iana reserved" |
| 11:15.02 | peterS | fusion: it's the ghost of Jon Postel just checking up on you |
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| 11:15.16 | cafuego | fusion: If you're worried about 'em just block ther whole netblock. 112.175.21.0/24 |
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| 11:15.34 | jaygeek | hi , all ! Does mono works on debian woody? |
| 11:15.39 | fusion | but they're in last -d does that not mean they compromised the system? |
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| 11:16.01 | cafuego | fusion: Depends how they logged in eh? |
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| 11:16.09 | INVOKE | server g00net.org |
| 11:16.11 | INVOKE | opa |
| 11:16.12 | cafuego | fusion: If they connected via anon ftp i wouldn't worry too much. |
| 11:16.22 | fusion | I dont run anon ftp |
| 11:16.31 | tyia | there is a ISO9660-like filesystem whose name I can't remember... |
| 11:16.41 | luctor | libdvdread: Can't open /dev/hdd for reading |
| 11:16.44 | quitte | rockridge extension? |
| 11:16.46 | peterS | tyia: Rock Ridge extensions? Joliet? UDF? |
| 11:16.47 | tyia | that doesn't have the limitations of ISO9660 |
| 11:16.52 | cafuego | fusion: Which user logged in from that address? |
| 11:16.59 | tyia | peterS: UDF probably |
| 11:17.00 | fusion | it says that I did |
| 11:17.03 | fusion | "mark" |
| 11:17.05 | tyia | peteS: thanks |
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| 11:17.15 | tyia | peterS: thanks |
| 11:17.17 | cafuego | fusion: Antyhing in syslog about that? |
| 11:17.21 | tommy | i want to do recursive download of a website, but its robots.txt is set to "disallow" the directory i want, so "wget -r" doesn't work, can you suggest a work around for this |
| 11:17.58 | tyia | peterS: is UDF fully supported in windows also? |
| 11:18.02 | SlayerXP | tommy: yes, stop wanting that directory |
| 11:18.03 | jm_ | you can tell wget to ignore robots.txt - info wget, read |
| 11:18.06 | luctor | how can I tell if my ide dvdrw is installed ide and not scsi ? proc something ? |
| 11:18.14 | peterS | tyia: depends on your version of windows |
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| 11:18.39 | peterS | tyia: prior to Win2000, I think you had to install an extension. this was commonly known as the 'DirectCD reader software' or something like that |
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| 11:19.12 | cafuego | WinME may be an exception. |
| 11:19.15 | fusion | cafuego, from what I can see all the logins are from local internal IPs... however, tcpspy is installed and I dont think I installed that - is it default? |
| 11:19.23 | infodroid | luctor: ? cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 11:19.26 | cafuego | fusion: No, it's not. |
| 11:19.33 | peterS | tyia: since DirectCD is UDF |
| 11:19.41 | cafuego | fusion: Run 'chkrootkit', see if you find anything else. |
| 11:19.53 | solomonn | peterS: i've gotten some pretty odd results messing with jon's ripping script on this scratched up cd |
| 11:20.03 | peterS | solomonn: oh, he's got a working script? |
| 11:20.11 | solomonn | peterS: works for ripping anyway :) |
| 11:20.26 | HolyGoat | did anyone else run into problems with sound in kde? it keeps being at a very low volume. I asked in #kde and they told me it might be my alsamixer settings, but I didn't have alsamixer installed, after I did install alsamixer from apt testing, it didn't run. |
| 11:20.35 | peterS | solomonn: heh. with all that gene sequencing algorithm stuff we talked about? |
| 11:20.39 | jaygeek | Somebody know if precompiled packages for mono on woody exist ? |
| 11:20.46 | fusion | chkrootkit doesnt show anything |
| 11:20.49 | cafuego | jaygeek: apt-get install mono |
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| 11:20.57 | jaygeek | on woody ? |
| 11:21.02 | cafuego | jaygeek: yes. |
| 11:21.12 | cafuego | jaygeek: if that fails, packages don't exist. |
| 11:21.12 | solomonn | peterS: he patched cdrdao to give some error output and wrote a wrapper for it. it gives a nice cdparanoia-like bar and although it doesn't do any gene sequencing, when you try a re-rip, it compares the two and keeps the less error'd one |
| 11:21.13 | RichiH | fusion: are you able to power down the system to run chkrootdisk from a boot disk like auditor or knoppix? |
| 11:21.27 | fusion | RichiH, yes, possibly |
| 11:21.29 | infodroid | !tell HolyGoat about alsa |
| 11:21.32 | jaygeek | ok but the mono packages only exist in unstable !! |
| 11:21.38 | cafuego | RichiH: chkrootdisk? ;-) |
| 11:21.43 | luctor | ifvoid: ok, no devices. but I can mount /dev/hdd but I get this libdvdread: Can't open /dev/hdd for reading |
| 11:21.48 | cafuego | jaygeek: Well, there's your answer! |
| 11:21.50 | solomonn | peterS: odd thing is the difference in behavior between cdparanoia and his script + cdrdao |
| 11:21.51 | peterS | solomonn: ahh, a good start |
| 11:22.00 | HolyGoat | tanks infodroid |
| 11:22.01 | solomonn | peterS: cdrdao uses libcdparanoia which should amount to the same thing |
| 11:22.10 | peterS | oh, it does? I didn't realise that |
| 11:22.15 | jaygeek | I ask for unofficial ones !!! |
| 11:22.29 | RichiH | fusion: might be an idea. as a first measure, i would change your password, but not with anything you might be using elsewhere and kill your public ssh key on the host system |
| 11:22.31 | solomonn | peterS: but with this cd, cdrdao ripped slowly and ended up with 7 unfixable errors, 5 after i used this overpriced cd cleaning/buffing system on it |
| 11:22.39 | RichiH | cafuego: omfgwtflol! i have a root disk! |
| 11:22.45 | Chest | guys, im trying to install apach2 on sarge and it keeps giving me dependency errors. specifically that apache2-mpm-worker isn't configured yet. http://pastebin.com/247302 |
| 11:22.49 | fusion | RichiH, SSH isnt even installed :/ |
| 11:22.52 | cafuego | jaygeek: www.apt-get.org |
| 11:22.52 | ifvoid | luctor: ? |
| 11:23.01 | solomonn | peterS: whereas with cdparanoia... with scsi emulation, it got through the whole thing with no unfixable errors, MUCH quicker than cdrdao with scsi emulation |
| 11:23.04 | RichiH | fusion: rsh? ;) |
| 11:23.14 | infodroid | luctor: perhaps sort out your permissions |
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| 11:23.21 | RichiH | fusion: how do you guys login if not via ssh? |
| 11:23.21 | fusion | nope :/ |
| 11:23.25 | peterS | solomonn: yeah, I don't know anything about the guts of libcdparanoia or cdrdao |
| 11:23.25 | solomonn | peterS: but, with constant scsi module warnings about the application not calling it correctly |
| 11:23.29 | fusion | Local box |
| 11:23.29 | cafuego | RichiH: test -d / && echo "You have a root disk" |
| 11:23.37 | peterS | cafuego: haha |
| 11:23.42 | luctor | infodroid: it a permission thing you mean ? |
| 11:23.47 | SlayerXP | Chest: seem that before: apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 11:23.48 | solomonn | peterS: with no scsi emulation, cdparanoia get through it without unfixable errors, but much slower |
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| 11:23.59 | luctor | infodroid: on the /dev/hdd |
| 11:24.05 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 11:24.11 | infodroid | luctor: try to mount as root |
| 11:24.16 | RichiH | cafuego: argh! nooo! |
| 11:24.22 | solomonn | peterS: which is also odd because the scsi emulation module keeps telling me that it's deprecated and the normal ide-cd driver is supposed to work just the same |
| 11:24.27 | fusion | How can I firewall those ranges in the meantime? |
| 11:24.34 | ^rob^ | hi again |
| 11:24.43 | solomonn | peterS: yeah i don't figure you have any answers but i thought you'd be intrigued :) |
| 11:24.44 | peterS | solomonn: yeah, it really should |
| 11:24.50 | luctor | infodroid: it worked :-) |
| 11:24.53 | jaygeek | cafueg : thks very much for the link I think it's ok ;-) |
| 11:24.58 | Chest | SlayerXP: same error |
| 11:24.58 | peterS | solomonn: I mean, ide-cd should work for all purposes anymore, with 2.6 kernels |
| 11:25.00 | ^rob^ | does sarge have security in debian.security ?? |
| 11:25.10 | Chest | SlayerXP: for apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 11:25.14 | luctor | infodroid: Im adding myseld to the disk group an pray for better days |
| 11:25.14 | ^rob^ | or it is not declared stable yet |
| 11:25.16 | solomonn | peterS: also, even though it's going slower, cdpara with ide-cd also ends up with more fixed errors |
| 11:25.23 | peterS | hrrrm |
| 11:25.33 | SlayerXP | Chest: dpkg --purge apache2 then try again |
| 11:25.39 | solomonn | that is, it has to fix errors in places where it found no errors at all with scsi emulation |
| 11:26.00 | solomonn | you can even tell it's going slower from the sound.. no big spinning like when scsi emulation was on |
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| 11:26.02 | simonrvn | luctor: um, why? |
| 11:26.08 | infodroid | luctor: thats the way forward, the disk group |
| 11:26.11 | ^rob^ | solomon - own kernel or debian kernel ? |
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| 11:26.27 | solomonn | peterS: cdrdao also worked fine after just modprobe ide-scsi; but cdparanoia wouldn't work till i also modprobe'd sg |
| 11:26.33 | solomonn | ^rob^: my own |
| 11:26.55 | ^rob^ | solomonn: then use ide-cd instead - look at kerneldocu |
| 11:26.55 | infodroid | simonrvn: he's doing some scsi mounting as a normal user it seems |
| 11:27.04 | peterS | solomonn: that's a bit odd. clearly they're using different access modes. did you have sr_mod loaded? |
| 11:27.13 | caphuso | luctor: no, you don't add yourself to the disk group. you change group owner on /dev/hdd to something meaningful, e.g. "cdrom" and yourself to that |
| 11:27.26 | ^rob^ | solomon: i had 2.6.10 on slack - it worked perfeclty with ide-cd |
| 11:27.30 | cafuego | I wish the mysql-server preinst didn't kill the sql server and wait for 100 other packgaes to cfg before postinst starts it again :-/ |
| 11:27.47 | solomonn | ^rob^: well i'm using ide-cd right now because i wasn't completely comfortable getting warnings about cdparanoia using ide-scsi wrong. but it is pretty odd that it performs much, much more slowly than with scsi emulation |
| 11:27.50 | Chest | SlayerXP: same error again. during the install it says that 'This module does not exist!' |
| 11:28.03 | Chest | SlayerXP: for apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 11:28.09 | solomonn | peterS: i believe i had sr_mod loaded; i think ide-scsi pulled it in |
| 11:28.21 | peterS | solomonn: ide-scsi won't pull it in automatically |
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| 11:28.30 | SlayerXP | Chest: weird. |
| 11:28.33 | infodroid | luctor: fair point, personally i would get udev to ensure that /dev/hdd is /dev/cdrom and give it cdrom perms |
| 11:28.34 | solomonn | peterS: it pulled something in automatically, anyway :) |
| 11:28.41 | simonrvn | infodroid, luctor: easier way to do that than opening up a hole like that |
| 11:28.42 | Chest | SlayerXP: is there a apt-get log file? |
| 11:28.43 | solomonn | peterS: in any case i didn't manually load sr_mod |
| 11:28.45 | ^rob^ | solomonn: they still have more to do on ide-cd :) |
| 11:28.55 | peterS | solomonn: it'll pull in scsi_mod, but I think that's all |
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| 11:29.06 | solomonn | peterS: that's probably what i saw, then |
| 11:29.11 | fusion | what are some good security tools available with apt-get? |
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| 11:29.25 | solomonn | peterS: what's sr_mod, anyway :) |
| 11:29.35 | ^rob^ | solomon: try modprobe ide-cd and ide-scsi :) |
| 11:29.40 | peterS | solomonn: scsi cdrom, /dev/scd* |
| 11:29.45 | peterS | aka /dev/sr* |
| 11:30.02 | peterS | ^rob^: ide-cd and ide-scsi are competitors. you don't want both loaded, there's no point |
| 11:30.08 | HolyGoat | bleh, alsa doesn't find my sound device.. |
| 11:30.15 | solomonn | peterS: well, /dev/scd* existed and that's what i used to access them, so either sr_mod was loaded or something else was taking care of its function :) |
| 11:30.17 | peterS | ^rob^: one or the other will grab your cdrom drive, leaving the other with nothing |
| 11:30.24 | infodroid | HolyGoat: you have "discover"? |
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| 11:30.26 | luctor | infodroid: get udev ? |
| 11:30.28 | HolyGoat | yes |
| 11:30.33 | try_catch_this | what do i need to do to makesure wine can run apps using opengl? |
| 11:30.37 | peterS | solomonn: possibly you've got sr_mod autoloading when you access /dev/scd* or something |
| 11:30.51 | ^rob^ | peterS: ide-cd work with /dev/hd* ide-scsi has /dev/scd* - no competition here :) |
| 11:30.59 | HolyGoat | infodroid: discover version 1.7.7 |
| 11:31.06 | ^rob^ | use whatever your device want |
| 11:31.18 | infodroid | luctor: its a matter of security, disk is not considered an everyday user group so you have to make your /dev/hdd have cdrom perms |
| 11:31.28 | ^rob^ | you can have 1 scsi cdrw and ide too on the same machine |
| 11:31.31 | peterS | ^rob^: dude. try loading them both. then run 'cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver' (with your cdrom drive address substituted for 'hdc') and you will see that only one of them can claim the device |
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| 11:31.44 | solomonn | peterS: btw, i also made up a real simple script that uses the wonderful beauty of HAL to automagically start ripping when you put a cd in and eject it when it's done, so i can do my collection with my keyboard and monitor unplugged now if i want :) |
| 11:31.44 | luctor | infodroid: I changed to cdrom and added me there |
| 11:31.46 | infodroid | HolyGoat: you did alsaconf |
| 11:31.56 | HolyGoat | infodroid: yep |
| 11:32.00 | peterS | ^rob^: unless you've passed module parameters to one or the other, to prevent them from taking all your IDE cdrom-like devices, they will exclude each other |
| 11:32.01 | infodroid | luctor: thats all you need, then ;) |
| 11:32.15 | peterS | solomonn: ah, heh |
| 11:32.22 | ^rob^ | peterS: udev does that for me! :) |
| 11:32.23 | HolyGoat | it's some kind of onboard sound device that came with my motherboard though, that might give problems? |
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| 11:32.49 | peterS | ^rob^: udev loads modules for you? |
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| 11:32.58 | peterS | ^rob^: I am increasingly convinced that you do not know what you are talking about |
| 11:33.03 | infodroid | HolyGoat: did you modprobe the correct kernel module for the card / do you know what that is? |
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| 11:33.15 | solomonn | i suppose next i should try cdrdao with ide-cd |
| 11:33.17 | ^rob^ | no - udev separate the devices for me - |
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| 11:33.39 | ^rob^ | i have 2 cdrw - 1 on ide which is dvdrw and 2.nd on scsi |
| 11:33.43 | HolyGoat | I didn't, it worked in artsd though so I kinda assumed it would be picked up nicely |
| 11:33.52 | peterS | ^rob^: try it. load both ide-scsi and ide-cd. then try accessing your CD-ROM drive as both /dev/sr0 and /dev/hdc. I think you will find that only one of them works, and it'll be the one corresponding to whichever module you loaded first. i.e., the other module is useless. |
| 11:33.53 | ^rob^ | so i need both ide-cd and ide-scsi load |
| 11:33.57 | ^rob^ | i did |
| 11:34.04 | ^rob^ | i have them both loaded |
| 11:34.23 | peterS | ^rob^: and? you can access your cdrom drive as either /dev/sr0 or as /dev/hdc, without loading or unloading modules? |
| 11:34.28 | ^rob^ | yep |
| 11:34.42 | peterS | ^rob^: what kernel version have you got? this has never worked for me with any kernel version |
| 11:34.44 | infodroid | HolyGoat: to get this straight, alsaconf does not pick up your sound card, but KDE's arts system does? |
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| 11:35.01 | ^rob^ | 2.6.10 |
| 11:35.03 | HolyGoat | infodroid: looks like it, yes |
| 11:35.28 | ^rob^ | peterS: you have to tell udev what to do |
| 11:35.30 | peterS | ^rob^: what does 'cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver' tell you? both? |
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| 11:35.46 | ^rob^ | let me see |
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| 11:36.04 | luctor | infodroid: still dont get this one to work. I can mount as use though libdvdread: Can't open /dev/hdd for reading |
| 11:36.12 | infodroid | HolyGoat: well what sound system do you have configured in Control Panel > Sound & Multimedia > Sound System > Hardware > Audio Device |
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| 11:36.37 | ^rob^ | 1 line there |
| 11:36.39 | peterS | ^rob^: in my rather extensive experience with such things, it always says either ide-scsi version blah blah or ide-cdrom version blah blah. never both. the drive is only bound to one or the other. |
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| 11:37.07 | HolyGoat | infodroid: heh it says "Autodetect" |
| 11:37.16 | ^rob^ | maybe the scsi device does that for me - donno - all i know that both devices work fine |
| 11:37.17 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 11:37.33 | ^rob^ | gtg - kid waked up |
| 11:37.48 | HolyGoat | infodroid: alsaconf says: No supported PnP or PCI card found. Would you like to probe legacy ISA sound cards/chips? |
| 11:37.48 | peterS | ^rob^: which driver does /proc/ide/hdc/driver say it is bound to? |
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| 11:38.15 | HolyGoat | infodroid: but, I don't have an ISA card, it's an onboard card. when I do try to probe it, it still finds nothing, either. |
| 11:38.25 | solomonn | this is nuts |
| 11:38.29 | infodroid | HolyGoat: i don't know what more you can do. it might help to upgrade your discover to the 2.0 one in sarge. maybe. |
| 11:38.33 | solomonn | i think i will have to use ide-scsi and cdrdao |
| 11:38.34 | Mish | Slightly off topic, but is there anyway (with grep or similar) to say: print the first match of "\] Backup Operation" after "to Active \[Job No: 5" |
| 11:38.42 | stoinoff | hello: i have traditional debian install on hda1 but i forget my root password. my lilo is in MBR. what i have to do ? |
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| 11:38.50 | solomonn | because ide-cd rips at 1x when cdrdao is ripping at 4x |
| 11:38.53 | HolyGoat | infodroid: I'll try that. Thanks for your assistance so far. |
| 11:38.59 | solomonn | that's with some immensely scratched up cd |
| 11:39.00 | peterS | solomonn: I note ^rob^ left in a hurry before he could give me any information about how what I believe is impossible is working on his system |
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| 11:39.13 | solomonn | peterS: hehe, he's a fruitcake :P |
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| 11:39.33 | CyzarX | streuner_, i got that lm-sensors for kernel 2.4.27 using apt-cache search |
| 11:39.42 | CyzarX | ooppsss |
| 11:39.43 | CyzarX | sorry |
| 11:39.44 | fusion | Gahrr.. Looks like they got root too.. |
| 11:40.00 | fusion | root :0 112.175.21.64 |
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| 11:40.42 | peterS | *argh*. "atftpd[6925]: timeout: retrying..." |
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| 11:40.48 | peterS | my netboot client hates me |
| 11:40.51 | simonrvn | meh :/ |
| 11:41.00 | karsten | raskin's dead. |
| 11:41.01 | infodroid | !tell luctor about libdvdcss |
| 11:41.08 | HolyGoat | infodroid: it says it has snd-via82xx |
| 11:41.20 | karsten | As in Jeff, of Apple. |
| 11:41.21 | infodroid | HolyGoat: so you got it to work |
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| 11:41.29 | HolyGoat | I'll try alsaconf now |
| 11:41.49 | fusion | 427/tcp open svrloc what on earth is svrloc? |
| 11:41.50 | HolyGoat | hmm. no. it still says it can't find one. |
| 11:42.01 | HolyGoat | maybe reinstall alsa? |
| 11:42.24 | HolyGoat | (I meant that discover 2 said I have the snd-via82xx) |
| 11:42.27 | infodroid | HolyGoat: what kernel are you using |
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| 11:43.20 | HolyGoat | 2.4.27-1-386 #1 |
| 11:43.39 | luctor | infodroid: I installed it like that |
| 11:44.40 | infodroid | HolyGoat: did you check if it was supported in your kernel? |
| 11:44.46 | patrakov | could anyone please help me with tiff2pdf options? The man page explains "-r[d|o]" but I cannot understand how to override the resolution of the tiff file. |
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| 11:45.34 | karsten | Raskin story: http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/wlg/6575 |
| 11:45.37 | infodroid | luctor: i never had problems with dvd like that |
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| 11:46.03 | datoch | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.05 | infodroid | HolyGoat: I would recommend a 2.6 kernel, but thats my own bias |
| 11:46.18 | HolyGoat | infodroid: no, is there an easy way to check that? discover said that 'it is assuming it is compiled into the kernel' |
| 11:46.23 | HolyGoat | infodroid: I could try that |
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| 11:46.33 | HolyGoat | infodroid: thanks for your help |
| 11:46.43 | luctor | infodroid: to bad :-) |
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| 11:47.01 | fusion | is svrloc dangerous? |
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| 11:47.07 | patrakov | tried "tiff2pdf -o kalash1.pdf -p A4 -r 450 kalash1.tiff" but that doesn't do what I want |
| 11:47.08 | infodroid | HolyGoat: i know also you can do command line switches for that kernel module, like "modinfo snd-via82xx" |
| 11:48.07 | HolyGoat | hmm. "modinfo: snd-via82xx: no module by that name found" |
| 11:48.30 | peterS | HolyGoat: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 11:49.16 | simonrvn | karsten: whoah (re: raskin). what a guy |
| 11:50.04 | solomonn | peterS: i'm ripping a pretty-clean cd now with cdrdao/ide-cd and getting up to 12x, which is on par with the ~10x i was getting with ide-scsi. i think maybe cdparanoia is doing some kind of low-level stuff that differs when it thinks that it's using a scsi device. and maybe the libcdparanoia in cdrdao doesn't control the hw access, just the error checking, or something |
| 11:50.09 | patrakov | sorry for the noise, the command I wanted is: tiff2pdf -o kalash1.pdf -p A4 -ro -x 450 -y 450 kalash1.tiff |
| 11:50.16 | HolyGoat | peterS: didn't find a package for my kernel, but maybe install one of those packages? |
| 11:50.17 | solomonn | i should try goobox and sound-juicer just for kicks :) |
| 11:50.28 | peterS | HolyGoat: you should only install one that matches exactly |
| 11:50.38 | luctor | infodroid: do I need to link it to ln -s /dev/hdd /dev/dvd ? |
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| 11:50.48 | peterS | HolyGoat: if you're using 2.4.27-1-* for example, I don't think alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-* were ever released. you might try upgrading to 2.4.27-2-* instead |
| 11:50.57 | infodroid | HolyGoat: what peterS said. i haven't used 2.4 for ages, so i forgot about the modules... |
| 11:51.16 | HolyGoat | peterS: ahh.. |
| 11:51.54 | HolyGoat | so upgrading my kernel should give me more chances then |
| 11:51.59 | infodroid | luctor: are you using devfs or udev |
| 11:52.00 | HolyGoat | never done that, but I'm going to read up on it now, thanks :) |
| 11:52.14 | luctor | infodroid: no idee :-) |
| 11:52.41 | luctor | infodroid: neither if thats an option |
| 11:52.44 | infodroid | HolyGoat: i don't think you need to upgrade your kernel, just install the right version alsa-modules for it, and it should work |
| 11:53.11 | infodroid | luctor: are you using debian? what version are you using? |
| 11:53.18 | HolyGoat | infodroid: yes but there is no alsa-modules for my current kernel version, I just checked |
| 11:53.27 | luctor | infodroid: sid |
| 11:53.35 | infodroid | HolyGoat: oh, i see |
| 11:53.48 | infodroid | infodroid: you should have udev as standard, try dpkg -l udev |
| 11:54.34 | infodroid | luctor, i mean |
| 11:54.37 | luctor | infodroid: pn udev <none> (no description available) |
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| 11:55.27 | luctor | infodroid: I just apt-get install udev then |
| 11:55.32 | infodroid | luctor: yeah just apt-get install it, it will give your /dev/hdd cdrom group and create a symlink to /dev/cdrom automatically |
| 11:55.49 | infodroid | luctor: i forget if you have to reboot or not, but you should anyway |
| 11:55.58 | luctor | infodroid: |
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| 11:56.59 | dpy | hi |
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| 11:57.03 | fusion | how can I block an ip range in debian? |
| 11:58.13 | dpy | I have created a package that contains some files in /etc/..., upon installation dpkg asks if it should use the maintainers versions of the config file and/or to overwrite it (yes/no/default) |
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| 11:58.21 | sussudio | fusion: sello tape |
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| 11:58.35 | dpy | does anyone know how I can set the default (either yes or no) inside the package |
| 11:58.48 | dpy | sometime the default should be no, at other times it should be yes |
| 11:58.55 | fusion | ? |
| 11:59.19 | idnar | dpy: maybe try asking in #debian-mentors |
| 11:59.29 | dpy | k, tnx |
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| 12:01.21 | simonrvn | FFS |
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| 12:04.07 | fusion | Ugh..found /etc/shadow.org, contains passwd data... not normal i am guessing |
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| 12:05.49 | simonrvn | !tell irc_ about root |
| 12:06.16 | simonrvn | fusion: um, look at /etc/shadow... tell me what you think |
| 12:06.47 | caphuso | fusion: well, a backup file of /etc/shadow without the password data in it would be rather useless |
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| 12:07.24 | fusion | Its not a backup of /etc/shadow |
| 12:07.32 | caphuso | fusion: yes, it is |
| 12:07.50 | fusion | ...You can't see it |
| 12:08.04 | fusion | I've just compared those two files |
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| 12:10.20 | simonrvn | .org is from an upgrade of base-files IIRC. though some folks use that as backup |
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| 12:10.43 | fusion | Normally perhaps |
| 12:10.49 | fusion | but this isn't that.. |
| 12:11.03 | fusion | what country is .yu?! |
| 12:11.19 | sussudio | fusion: badgerland. |
| 12:11.33 | ricky_clarkson | !yu |
| 12:11.34 | dpkg | from memory, yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia |
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| 12:14.30 | solomonn | peterS: i think i might give up on my theories about ide-cd and ide-scsi. i just accidentally deleted my cdparanoia/ide-cd rip of this scratched cd, and it was my only error-free one, so i put it in to re-rip and now it's just as fast as before. i think maybe reading bad cd's in high-speed cdrom drives is just a bit less predictable than i expected :) |
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| 12:14.46 | peterS | solomonn: ah, heh |
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| 12:16.09 | solomonn | anyway, now it's bed time |
| 12:16.15 | solomonn | goodnight |
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| 12:19.55 | gihad | Does anyone knows about a place in Canada where i can have Professional Linux Studies ? |
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| 12:26.19 | valdyn_ | gihad: now what would that be? 3 month course? |
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| 12:29.03 | manu | Hi! Is anyone speaking german here? |
| 12:29.11 | caphuso | !de |
| 12:29.11 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 12:29.31 | solomonn | do you want to touch my monkey? |
| 12:29.37 | solomonn | now is the time on sprockets when we dance |
| 12:29.54 | ArtVandalae | Is it just me, or does the output of !de seem gramatically incorrect? |
| 12:30.25 | solomonn | ArtVandalae: i couldn't say :) |
| 12:30.53 | gihad | valdyn_, i don't care about the lenght of the course, but it must to be a good and serious course. |
| 12:31.01 | ArtVandalae | Oh woops, I mean the last, english sentence :) |
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| 12:31.32 | solomonn | hehe. looks ok to me |
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| 12:32.41 | ricky_clarkson | ArtVandalae: As far as informal English goes, it's ok. |
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| 12:33.14 | nerdie | what is a not so hard linux certification nowadays? |
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| 12:36.03 | WE_R_DNA | namaste |
| 12:36.12 | WE_R_DNA | Today is Training today #1 for this boy |
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| 12:38.16 | png_ | how can i change console charset? |
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| 12:42.16 | paster | "atm__" at 83.30.7.239 pasted "?" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/300 |
| 12:42.18 | Noid | where does one specify to which groups a user originally belongs when you run adduser to create him? |
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| 12:46.17 | gradzac | Noid: man adduser |
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| 12:46.45 | no-id | how can i get emails with daily resaurce usage ? is there an application for this |
| 12:46.52 | speedy | i'm using unstable debian, and wondering why there are old packages not updated, like xfce4.. the package is version 4.0 while there is newer version 4.2 released few months ago.. |
| 12:47.00 | tarzeau | no-id: cron/nail |
| 12:47.18 | no-id | tarzeau: will look into it thanks |
| 12:47.21 | tarzeau | speedy: file a wishlist bug / talk to the maintainer (see BTS) |
| 12:47.34 | PerfDave | !tell speedy -about sid faq |
| 12:47.43 | tarzeau | Noid: see /etc/group |
| 12:48.09 | ricky_clarkson | speedy: Some packages are suspended while we try to release a new version of stable - the developers are working on release critical bugs in their packages rather than trying to introduce new versions. |
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| 12:48.20 | simonrvn | speedy: being worked on. there's a project at alioth.d.o |
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| 12:49.31 | speedy | how can i participate in updating the packages? |
| 12:49.40 | Noid | thanks |
| 12:49.52 | JYL57 | hello have an old box with CD-rom but can't boot on it (old bios), how to install Sarge with netinst CD ?! |
| 12:50.30 | jm_ | JYL57: SBM |
| 12:50.30 | valdyn_ | JYL57: use floppies? |
| 12:50.44 | valdyn_ | jm_: ah good point |
| 12:50.53 | JYL57 | SBM ??! |
| 12:51.11 | jm_ | apt-cache show sbm |
| 12:51.11 | valdyn_ | JYL57: smart boot manager -> supports booting off cdrom drives |
| 12:51.17 | RichiH | speedy: mail the maintainer(s) and ask if they want/need help, for example |
| 12:51.57 | speedy | alright |
| 12:52.06 | speedy | thanks for your support |
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| 12:53.00 | johnnyST | Is someone using synaptic on sarge? |
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| 12:53.03 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 12:53.17 | zinx | !someone |
| 12:53.17 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 12:53.17 | solemnwarning | has any1 ever made a tutorial on using debain as a router? |
| 12:53.26 | tuxy18 | is apt-fu a good tool to compile things. Or should i prefer apt-src ? |
| 12:53.42 | solemnwarning | Im Writing 1 atm |
| 12:54.01 | ricky_clarkson | solemnwarning: People have made tutorials on using Linux as routers. |
| 12:54.12 | solemnwarning | Debian Though? |
| 12:54.16 | green_earz | hi all and a quick question, is the kernel 2.6.10 ok now with cdrecord. the kernel-2.6.8 was root only with cdrecord. |
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| 12:54.27 | JYL57 | valdyn_ : thanks ! |
| 12:54.31 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 12:54.31 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 12:55.13 | nerdie | is there a debian certification? |
| 12:55.53 | spo0nman | nerdie: yeah! pay me 500 bucks and i'll certify you |
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| 12:56.09 | brainZzZ | they will take ur laptop for like 500 bucks and make it top of the line again, as in gut it and put whatever ist best on market, into it again |
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| 12:57.57 | gihad | There isn't a debian version that can be installed on my laptop (i have a HP ZD7058cl) but other distros goes... |
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| 12:58.14 | bill__ | ola a todos |
| 12:59.30 | streuner1 | gihad: nice statement :-) |
| 13:00.24 | streuner_ | gihad: did you look at this? |
| 13:00.28 | streuner_ | !laptop |
| 13:00.28 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 13:02.31 | leonel | !suspend |
| 13:02.31 | dpkg | i guess suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required |
| 13:02.42 | leonel | !acpi |
| 13:02.42 | dpkg | somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
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| 13:03.51 | BadMan | I hate apm and acpi |
| 13:03.55 | BadMan | anyway mornign all! |
| 13:04.37 | speedy | good evening |
| 13:04.40 | BadMan | hey, I seem to recall a command line for rebuilding the kde menu... bu tcant rember even remotely what it was anyone know off top of their head |
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| 13:05.38 | shadash | any debian people happen to know how debian repositories exist? I have a repository but need to host it somewhere + don't want to pay for all my users bandwidth. Ideas? |
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| 13:07.49 | ricky_clarkson | shadash: The main Debian servers are run and paid for my Debian, but many other organisations mirror the Debian repositories. |
| 13:07.53 | ricky_clarkson | s/my/by/ |
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| 13:10.50 | nvz | !op eXCaLiBuR is a pornbot |
| 13:10.50 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
| 13:10.55 | nvz | !ops eXCaLiBuR is a pornbot |
| 13:10.56 | green_earz | once more > hi all and a quick question, is the kernel 2.6.10 ok now with cdrecord. the kernel-2.6.8 was root only with cdrecord. |
| 13:10.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eXCaLiBuR is a pornbot |
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| 13:11.03 | shadash | ricky_clarkson: hmmm... so Debian gets all of it's bandwidth costs covered through donations? |
| 13:11.05 | ricky_clarkson | !forget op eXCaLiBuR |
| 13:11.05 | dpkg | i forgot op excalibur, ricky_clarkson |
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| 13:11.12 | ricky_clarkson | shadash: afaik |
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| 13:11.16 | karl_ | where do I setup routing in debian |
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| 13:11.36 | caphuso | karl_: /msg dpkg static route |
| 13:12.06 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: Is /etc/network/interfaces a valid answer for that too? |
| 13:12.18 | brainZzZ | California's Supreme Court has annulled about 4,000 *** marriages that took place in San Francisco. |
| 13:12.21 | caphuso | !static route |
| 13:12.22 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:12.32 | ricky_clarkson | Esplendoroso. |
| 13:13.00 | ricky_clarkson | brainZzZ: A bit early in the day isn't it? |
| 13:13.14 | brainZzZ | i think i am too sensitive to listen to all this so early in the day |
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| 13:14.33 | ricky_clarkson | I'd rather see marriage be demoted to just a religious thing, then the religions can fight over it, and the law can get on with real issues. |
| 13:14.38 | jaygeek | I want to install mono on woody ; is it possible , do precompiled packages exist? |
| 13:15.35 | ricky_clarkson | jaygeek: Google tells me http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:16.07 | jaygeek | there's nothing in the repository !! (I think) |
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| 13:16.36 | ricky_clarkson | "Release packages for Debian stable (woody) |
| 13:16.38 | ricky_clarkson | Some packages are in preparation but don't keep your breath." |
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| 13:16.55 | ricky_clarkson | I think it means s/keep/hold/ ;) |
| 13:17.12 | jaygeek | s/keep/hold ?? |
| 13:17.28 | ricky_clarkson | ??? |
| 13:17.52 | jaygeek | what do you mean , I don't speak english very well !! sorry |
| 13:18.03 | ricky_clarkson | s/this/that/ is sed, not English. |
| 13:18.19 | ricky_clarkson | "I made a mistak" s/mistak/mistake/ corrects the mistake. |
| 13:18.42 | jaygeek | ok |
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| 13:21.13 | efk | hehe |
| 13:21.36 | idnar | English needs sed support! |
| 13:21.38 | hutze | !dpkg chroot install |
| 13:21.39 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 13:21.46 | hutze | thx dpkg |
| 13:22.10 | martin | idnar: jeje :) |
| 13:22.31 | martin | I love chroot install. |
| 13:22.44 | ricky_clarkson | jajajajajejejjejee!!!¡¡¡¡unouno |
| 13:23.06 | jaygeek | ? |
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| 13:23.11 | ricky_clarkson | ?? |
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| 13:24.42 | shinobi2 | i was watching hellboy on dvd the other day, i notice his stone hand has a curly spiral. |
| 13:25.02 | shinobi2 | it's just like debian's logo |
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| 13:25.42 | jaygeek | if I compiled mono on a woody , is it difficult to make package myself , do you have tutorial ? |
| 13:26.09 | shinobi2 | why debian choose the spiral as a logo? |
| 13:26.27 | zinx | i'm sure that's answered in a faq somewhere |
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| 13:27.49 | shinobi2 | zinx, i am sure, there will be plenty reading |
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| 13:36.09 | stew | jaygeek: apt-get install maint-guide, and read /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/* |
| 13:36.43 | jaygeek | stew : ok thk |
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| 13:38.08 | Delicates | are there any media players that allow you to open a DVD structure laying on HD? or an ISO? |
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| 13:38.35 | ricky_clarkson | shinobi2: Debian probably just chose the ugliest logo out of a selection sent in by maintainers. |
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| 13:39.11 | karamelos | xscreensaver does not accept my non root password when I try to unlock the screen. I guess some mis-chmod binary may be the cause, what do you think? |
| 13:39.55 | Shadur | Delicates: mplayer can do that |
| 13:39.56 | sep | Delicates: loopbackmount it ? |
| 13:40.09 | ricky_clarkson | karamelos: What user is xscreensaver running as? |
| 13:40.17 | Shadur | play an iso, that is |
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| 13:40.47 | karamelos | ricky_clarkson, xscreensaver is running as my normal user. |
| 13:41.07 | Delicates | sep: I need a player that is able to play VIDEO_TS directory |
| 13:41.12 | ricky_clarkson | karamelos: Do you know how to kill it to get back to X? |
| 13:41.15 | Delicates | Shadur: thanks, I'll give it a try |
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| 13:41.30 | karamelos | ricky_clarkson, I am in X, using Gnome. |
| 13:41.45 | ricky_clarkson | karamelos: Do you know how to kill it to get back to X? |
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| 13:42.06 | mooded | karamelos, strg+alt+backspace.. |
| 13:42.19 | mooded | karamelos, oh. no thats killing X.. misread.. |
| 13:42.36 | karamelos | ricky_clarkson, I can kill it, then what should I do. |
| 13:42.40 | shinobi2 | hm.. the offical logo is actually a vase with a spiral. |
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| 13:43.40 | dzs | can anyone help me with a script? i want that the script ping some host and when there is no reply then the script reboot computer... sory for my eng |
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| 13:43.47 | ricky_clarkson | karamelos: Configure it not to lock ;) |
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| 13:44.23 | karamelos | ricky_clarkson, funny! |
| 13:44.25 | shinobi2 | why does knoppix don't have a debian logo at all. the user_logo |
| 13:44.41 | streuner | read the topic |
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| 13:45.00 | ricky_clarkson | shinobi2: Knoppix is not Debian. |
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| 13:45.36 | shinobi2 | streuner, yes. i did. but still.. |
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| 13:45.42 | streuner | still what? |
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| 13:45.50 | shinobi2 | it should have it as a logo |
| 13:46.02 | streuner | tell that Knopper |
| 13:46.09 | shinobi2 | just did |
| 13:46.14 | streuner | haha |
| 13:46.16 | shinobi2 | but sleeping |
| 13:46.17 | caphuso | shinobi2: why should it? |
| 13:46.37 | shinobi2 | caphuso, cause it's derive from debian |
| 13:46.44 | caphuso | shinobi2: and? |
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| 13:47.19 | caphuso | shinobi2: it's a different project, so it should use a different logo, just like using a different name |
| 13:47.32 | shinobi2 | what distro was it, that the penguin with a spiral on the tumy |
| 13:47.56 | mplex | anyone know why stable shows /etc/motd on ssh login and sarge does not? From what I can tell the pam/login files look the same |
| 13:48.50 | streuner | shinobi2: we prefer discuss issues about Debian, so why not ask debian-questions? ;-) |
| 13:49.08 | jm_ | mplex: it's a setting in sshd config file, it could be set to no |
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| 13:49.22 | mplex | jm_: thanks a lot, Im sure thats it |
| 13:49.27 | Ulti | hello |
| 13:49.56 | Ulti | can anyone try to help me to get my 3com network card working |
| 13:50.25 | directhex|work | shinobi2, libranet |
| 13:51.10 | shinobi2 | streuner, yes, i started asking about the debian logo, they guys start asking me questions, and ended talking about other distros |
| 13:51.28 | hutze | Ulti, modprobe 3c59x |
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| 13:51.44 | Ulti | hutze: i already did that |
| 13:51.50 | Ulti | but it won't go up :( |
| 13:51.59 | hutze | Ulti, assign a IP |
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| 13:52.11 | Ulti | i did in the interfaces file |
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| 13:52.43 | ricky_clarkson | streuner: Maybe some people don't waste as much electricity as others. |
| 13:52.47 | hutze | Ulti, if you do 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.100' does this give a error? |
| 13:53.08 | stew | streuner: i figure its dual booters that care so much |
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| 13:53.28 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: hehe |
| 13:53.34 | Ulti | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 13:53.45 | streuner | stew: haha, true... |
| 13:54.29 | hutze | Ulti, lspci | grep 3com |
| 13:54.38 | Ulti | it's isa |
| 13:54.43 | sml | streuner: because those people like to see the penguin after they've rebooted to linux from windows ;) makes them feel at home |
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| 13:55.32 | sml | stew: sorry i didn't read what you said! |
| 13:55.42 | Ulti | hutze: lspci | grep 3com does nothing |
| 13:55.42 | hutze | Ulti, i dont know if there is any difference with isa cards except adding the isa stuff into the kernel |
| 13:55.44 | roel- | it's 3Com, not 3com |
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| 13:55.58 | directhex|work | 3cOM |
| 13:56.06 | hutze | lol |
| 13:56.07 | sml | 3c0m 0wns y0u. |
| 13:56.11 | Ulti | lol |
| 13:56.24 | hutze | how do we grep case insnesitive? |
| 13:56.30 | sml | I like boxes that still have isa slots.. allows me to ram more nics in them. |
| 13:56.34 | sml | hutze: -i ? |
| 13:56.43 | Ulti | well it does nothing, 3Com 3com 3cOm |
| 13:56.59 | sml | grep 3[cC][oO][mM] |
| 13:56.59 | hutze | lol |
| 13:57.00 | debianuser | EVMS or LVM2 which is better for a 2.4.29 fileserver |
| 13:57.46 | SlayerXP | debianuser: the one that suits your needs best is the best one to use |
| 13:57.49 | Ulti | doesnt work |
| 13:57.59 | brainZzZ | You can't force someone to use their body as an incubator. |
| 13:58.04 | hutze | Ulti, got isa support in your kernel= |
| 13:58.05 | hutze | ? |
| 13:58.44 | debianuser | My first set-up and i'm using raid-5. |
| 13:58.57 | Ulti | i have no idea... i used the netinstall |
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| 13:59.31 | debianuser | I've had problems with LVM1, ext3, and snapshots. |
| 13:59.32 | Ulti | sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:59.41 | sml | Ulti: dmesg | grep 'eth0' what does it say |
| 13:59.45 | jim | is qmail in debian still available for sarge as qmail-src? |
| 13:59.55 | brainZzZ | I've had problems with bt using a cheap Linksys card. |
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| 14:00.02 | sml | Ulti: Does your kernel support 3com cards ? |
| 14:00.10 | Ulti | e100: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Connection |
| 14:00.10 | Ulti | e100: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full duplex |
| 14:00.17 | sml | ok so its not 3com then |
| 14:00.21 | Ulti | but that is the other pci network card |
| 14:00.23 | Ulti | 1 have 2 |
| 14:00.28 | Ulti | i have 2* |
| 14:00.48 | sml | Ok then I imagine you dont have support in your kernel for your other NIC. |
| 14:01.12 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Did your concert go ok? No blizzards? |
| 14:01.16 | Ulti | sml: aha and how can i add that ? |
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| 14:01.54 | gihad | Which is a good Wireless pcmcia card for linux ? (one that supports Monitoring, Scanning and etc ) |
| 14:02.02 | sml | Ulti: grep 'CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM' /usr/src/linux |
| 14:02.19 | sml | ricky_clarkson: yes it did thanks. there was terrible weather BUT.. back in the south :-) |
| 14:02.22 | hutze | gihad, prism2-cards |
| 14:02.25 | Ulti | grep: /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory |
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| 14:02.38 | sml | Ulti: tell me the output of uname -r |
| 14:02.51 | jim | how do you go about getting a prism2 card? |
| 14:02.51 | Ulti | 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 14:03.01 | lestest | hi there. does it exist a daemon program that monitor the usage of a server with multiple services and do some sort of statistics about running programs and their cpu load? |
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| 14:03.26 | hutze | jim, thats the chipset, support for it is perfeclty and of course does scanning |
| 14:03.32 | sml | Ulti: Do you know what your card is ? A debian kernel will usually have modular support for a 3com card.. |
| 14:03.43 | sml | It's not some esoteric card is it ? |
| 14:03.44 | jim | how do you go about -get-ting a prism2 card? |
| 14:03.49 | hutze | jim, with a little luck you find prism2 cards for 25$ |
| 14:03.53 | brainZzZ | pickle, i think that bush's support for it is political grandstanding, myself |
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| 14:04.07 | Ulti | yes it's a 3com 3c509 |
| 14:04.10 | hutze | jim, go into a shop and ask for a card with prism2 chipset |
| 14:04.11 | stew | Ulti: grep 3COM /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:04.13 | gihad | hutze, i was wandering about the cisco 350, it has 100mw transmit power |
| 14:04.48 | stew | hutze: you must have shops with much more knowlegable employees than any i've seen |
| 14:04.52 | Delicates | Shadur: How do I get mplayer to play a VIDEO_TS dir? :o/ |
| 14:05.01 | gihad | stew, hahaha |
| 14:05.06 | Ulti | sew: CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y |
| 14:05.10 | Ulti | stew: CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y |
| 14:05.18 | hutze | stew, lol they *should* have basic reading/writing capabilities |
| 14:05.22 | gihad | stew, than do some online research before buying it |
| 14:05.29 | Shadur | Delicates: I mentioned a .iso, not a video_ts dir |
| 14:06.07 | sml | stew: I dont think he's using a custom kernel anyway.. |
| 14:06.12 | hutze | Delicates, feed it the file, not the dir? |
| 14:06.15 | stew | no he's not |
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| 14:06.44 | directhex|work | Delicates, ask it to play *.vob ? |
| 14:06.47 | gihad | I thought that only brazilian employees were horrible at selling hardware |
| 14:06.50 | Delicates | Shadur: ok how do I get it to play an iso then? |
| 14:07.09 | sml | Ulti: No idea mate. There should be support in your kernel for that card. :-S perhaps someone else can help you. |
| 14:07.09 | Ulti | i just downloaded the netinstall iso, burned it and installed it |
| 14:07.12 | Delicates | directhex|work: I want to test it as a DVD, not as a MPEG |
| 14:07.32 | Ulti | oke :( |
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| 14:08.02 | sml | Ulti: paste me your lspci |
| 14:08.12 | sml | Ulti: in query |
| 14:08.28 | stew | sml: 08:52 < Ulti> it's isa |
| 14:08.36 | sml | stew: Oh....... |
| 14:08.43 | sml | Now we're getting somewhere! |
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| 14:09.05 | sml | Ulti: have you set the card up correctly with 3comx589.exe or some other utlity? |
| 14:09.13 | Ulti | yes |
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| 14:09.34 | sml | Ulti: and it uses a free IRQ ? and the IO/base is ok ? |
| 14:09.37 | Ulti | i have disabled the plug&play mode |
| 14:09.42 | sml | Ulti: Good :) |
| 14:10.00 | sml | Ulti: But you're sure you're not using a used IRQ or overlapping on the io/base ? |
| 14:10.03 | Ulti | i have no idea about the irq and io/base |
| 14:10.11 | Ulti | no |
| 14:10.14 | sml | Ulti: hrm. i would think that this is the cause of it not working. |
| 14:10.38 | sml | Ulti: Try changing the IRQ and see if linux picks it up. |
| 14:10.53 | Ulti | sml: how ? |
| 14:10.58 | sml | using that utility |
| 14:11.02 | Ulti | aha oke |
| 14:11.04 | sml | From 3coms site. |
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| 14:11.11 | Ulti | gonna have a try oke |
| 14:11.22 | sml | ok man. well im gonna go make a cuppa tea. i'll be back in a bit. |
| 14:11.30 | Ulti | k |
| 14:11.44 | jim | is qmail in debian still available for sarge as qmail-src? |
| 14:12.09 | jim | hmm, answer is no |
| 14:12.16 | streuner | !info qmail-src |
| 14:12.18 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-36 (sid), Packaged size: 504 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 14:12.23 | stew | !info qmail-src sarge |
| 14:12.25 | dpkg | qmail-src: (Source only package for building qmail binary package), section non-free/mail, is extra. Version: 1.03-36 (sarge), Packaged size: 504 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 14:12.38 | jim | hmm |
| 14:12.51 | lestest | why? license problems? |
| 14:12.55 | stew | !qmail |
| 14:12.55 | dpkg | well, qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. for reasons why you shouldn't use qmail, see ... |
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| 14:13.00 | koalaboy | hi |
| 14:13.04 | jim | ohh non-free |
| 14:13.04 | stoinoff | !iptunneing |
| 14:13.06 | jim | thank you |
| 14:13.16 | stoinoff | :-) |
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| 14:13.30 | koalaboy | I need create a /dev filesystem for myselft, but MAKEDEV say: don't space left on device, what is wrong? |
| 14:13.41 | lestest | many people say qmail is the best mailer |
| 14:13.56 | streuner | koalaboy: first question have you udev or devfs installed? |
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| 14:14.15 | stew | lestest: many people also say that postfix is exim is exchange server is.... |
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| 14:14.28 | jim | what are the differences between the two (devfs and udev) |
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| 14:14.35 | koalaboy | streuner, I just have a /dev/ filesytem, but I need allocate /dev in another partition |
| 14:14.48 | streuner | jim: none - they both sucks. |
| 14:14.49 | pack | jim uglier and slightly less ugly |
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| 14:15.24 | Ketter | the "user" under the nickname eNd is spamming on join |
| 14:15.33 | jim | ok,,, so much for the opinion part of the question :) |
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| 14:15.53 | pack | jim : i installed qmail on a sarge box last week |
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| 14:15.56 | tdonahue | could someone kick eNd for spamming? |
| 14:16.06 | brainZzZ | well even since last week, my internet works fine, but it wont seem to download anything, it just hangs when i try to and doesnt start counting up the download or showing me my speed or anything |
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| 14:16.13 | sussudio | !ops eNd spambotspambotspambotmushroom |
| 14:16.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: eNd spambotspambotspambotmushroom |
| 14:16.15 | jim | pack: yes, I wan't pulling non-free, that was the problem |
| 14:16.16 | FieldySnuts | @ops eNd is spamming ( for alindeman too ) |
| 14:16.22 | brainZzZ | even though it turned out to be the ram that was the problem? |
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| 14:16.36 | FieldySnuts | is that the same idiot we've had the past 3 - 4 days |
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| 14:17.01 | FieldySnuts | i'm going to bed it is. it's always in #debian and #redhat, it's in #redhat too |
| 14:17.04 | FieldySnuts | bet |
| 14:17.30 | FieldySnuts | god, #redhat has *three* onjoin spammers |
| 14:17.37 | FieldySnuts | apparently they can't take care of their own chan |
| 14:17.53 | directhex|work | you're surprised? |
| 14:18.02 | Mefdahl | *cough* or distro |
| 14:18.02 | FieldySnuts | and they're all spamming the same thing |
| 14:18.10 | sussudio | why does #redhat still exist? |
| 14:18.14 | ricky_clarkson | Hint. /umode +E |
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| 14:19.00 | SlayerXP | sussudio: because idiots never learn |
| 14:19.09 | FieldySnuts | i can do that it's just kind of lame channel ops there aren't taking care of it |
| 14:19.25 | sussudio | SlayerXP: no, shouldn't it be ##redhat, since there's a #fedora now? |
| 14:19.39 | brainZzZ | there's also another good mix, by DJ Keoki, but it's not disco. |
| 14:19.44 | FieldySnuts | also sucks, i came to this network because it isn't like others (i.e. no spam), but here they come here too. |
| 14:19.48 | ricky_clarkson | Only if somebody comes along with an OSS called RedHat, and contests for the rights. |
| 14:20.41 | streuner__ | SlayerXP: hehe |
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| 14:22.02 | jim | is daemontools available as a debian package? maybe source? |
| 14:22.16 | FieldySnuts | haha. daemontools. you like torture? |
| 14:22.38 | FieldySnuts | i doubt it, djb puts some weird restrictions on distributing his stuff |
| 14:22.45 | stew | jim: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:22.47 | MobyTurbo | jim: apt-cache search daemontools |
| 14:22.55 | hutze | sry for the noob question is there also a arch i686 in debian? |
| 14:22.58 | FieldySnuts | hm, I might be thinking something else actually, might be wrong |
| 14:23.12 | idnar | hutze: no, use i386 |
| 14:23.14 | sml | debian is an i386 distro |
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| 14:23.21 | hutze | ok thx |
| 14:23.30 | sml | hutze: there are i686 distros though. |
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| 14:24.48 | hutze | is this bad: "I: Retrieving debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_Release" ? |
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| 14:24.50 | sonfilika | hi |
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| 14:25.24 | jim | hutze: I means Information.... W means warning and E means error |
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| 14:25.58 | hutze | jim, and the invalid_dists_sarge thing ? |
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| 14:26.11 | jim | is part of an informational message |
| 14:26.11 | hutze | jim, why does it say invalid? |
| 14:26.28 | jim | "invalid" is evidently part of a file name |
| 14:26.29 | hutze | ok thx jim |
| 14:26.57 | valdyn_ | hutze: debians packages are optimised for i586, but they do run on i386 and higher |
| 14:27.35 | hutze | valdyn_, thx for the info |
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| 14:31.53 | jim | ok, I installed qmail... I gotta get it configuied now... anyone around want to walk me thru? |
| 14:32.08 | stew | jim: qmail isn't in debian, ask in #qmail |
| 14:32.34 | jim | it is... it's in non-free tho |
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| 14:32.43 | stew | jim: non-free means its not in debian |
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| 14:33.32 | jim | so it's not supported? |
| 14:33.37 | jim | is that the deal? |
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| 14:33.57 | hutze | how does everyone monitor his raid-array? |
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| 14:34.55 | stew | jim: yeah, but there is a channel for it #qmail |
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| 14:35.26 | jim | I'm there |
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| 14:36.22 | jim | I asked the same question; no one is there... tell ya what... is there someone here who wants to JOIN #qmail with me and then walk me thru a config? |
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| 14:37.04 | sml | jim: are you telling me that google doesn't show you a single config ? |
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| 14:37.48 | petemc | jim: lifewithqmail.org used to be ok, havent looked at in a while, what with qmail being obsolete and all |
| 14:38.33 | setnf | hey folks... when im trying install sources from xfce4.2 i get some erros. i install libxfce4util then when i tried install xfdesktop i got the error: libxfce4util was not found on PKG_CONFIG why could i make for solve it ? |
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| 14:39.01 | jim | well, obsolete or not, I need it at the moment, becasue there are soem configurations in home dirs on the box I'm installing it on |
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| 14:39.28 | setnf | hey folks... when im trying install sources from xfce4.2 i get some erros. i install libxfce4util then when i tried install xfdesktop i got the error: libxfce4util was not found on PKG_CONFIG why could i make for solve it ? |
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| 14:40.34 | valdyn_ | setnf: does it not say libxfce4util.pc ? |
| 14:40.36 | brainZzZ | The requested URL /song.midi was not found on this server. |
| 14:40.42 | setnf | valdyn_: yes... |
| 14:40.46 | Mefdahl | ...Yawn... <grumble>mondays</grumble> |
| 14:40.50 | lestest | ls |
| 14:40.54 | lestest | :) |
| 14:41.08 | Ulti | sml: i think it's workin now |
| 14:41.16 | sml | Ulti: :-) good. |
| 14:41.30 | setnf | valdyn_: what could i do for pkg-config "see" this lib ? |
| 14:41.37 | Ulti | check query |
| 14:41.49 | sml | Ulti: you remind me of me six years ago running multiple isa nicks whereby you had to specify the irq and iobase in the lilo as append statements to the kernel. |
| 14:41.53 | valdyn_ | setnf: i assume you installed libxfce4util in /usr/local, so export PKG_CONFIG=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig |
| 14:41.56 | sml | Ulti: yes i see. All is good now. |
| 14:42.03 | Ulti | nice :D |
| 14:42.06 | brainZzZ | I just had my neoghbors son some home from Iraq, he said things are very good, and the guys are happy with what theya re doing.... he also said, in war there are things that are horrible and he will not talk about, I assume seeing your buddies shot is not fun, but he said the country and the job over all is good |
| 14:42.13 | setnf | valdyn_: thanks ... w8 i ll try |
| 14:42.27 | Ulti | thanx alot guys ! |
| 14:42.30 | sml | Ulti: Well go play, have fun. |
| 14:42.39 | Ulti | hehe i wil thnx |
| 14:42.51 | valdyn_ | setnf: are there no experimental xfce4.2 packages yet? |
| 14:43.07 | Empty | how well does "recover" work? |
| 14:43.35 | setnf | valdyn_: i think not.. i remove debian installed 4.0.6 you know about ? |
| 14:43.43 | valdyn_ | setnf: yes there are |
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| 14:44.06 | toresbe | Is there any way to forward an incoming connection to port 443 to local port 2222? |
| 14:44.07 | setnf | valdyn_: if i type apt-get install xfc4 ll i get 4.2 ? |
| 14:44.14 | valdyn_ | setnf: http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:44.14 | setnf | *xfce4 |
| 14:44.19 | toresbe | basically making it look like the request came in on port 2222? |
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| 14:44.49 | stew | toresbe: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 443 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:2222 |
| 14:44.53 | valdyn_ | setnf: because those packages are not in unstable but they are _made_ by the debians xfce team |
| 14:44.54 | setnf | valdyn_: ok thnkx checking.. |
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| 14:45.16 | dargy | In which packget is xsetbg in? |
| 14:45.26 | valdyn_ | !tell dargy about search |
| 14:45.38 | toresbe | stew: thankyer := |
| 14:45.41 | toresbe | :)* |
| 14:46.04 | stew | smily face with acne? |
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| 14:46.16 | dargy | valdyn_: apt-cache search xsetbg doesnt give me the right packget |
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| 14:46.36 | valdyn_ | dargy: so you didnt read what dpkg told you |
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| 14:46.45 | valdyn_ | dargy: SURE it does not show up on that command |
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| 14:47.28 | dargy | found it thankyou |
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| 14:48.13 | setnf | valdyn_: i saw one line on this site... about sources.list... if i add this line will i get via apt-get ? |
| 14:48.28 | no-id | wget is to get a file ...how can you put a file ? |
| 14:48.45 | nkuttler | no-id: put? |
| 14:48.47 | sml | no-id: lynx with POST or FTP with put |
| 14:49.12 | sml | or put with FTP rather heheh |
| 14:49.40 | no-id | so how would that look like in a command line ? |
| 14:49.42 | stew | no-id: ncftpput |
| 14:49.43 | valdyn_ | setnf: yes |
| 14:49.51 | stew | no-id: if ftp is an option |
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| 14:50.56 | sml | no-id: You dont say what protcol the host uses for transfer. |
| 14:51.22 | trapd0r | where do you edit apt sources? |
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| 14:52.00 | bender-RW- | trapd0r: $VISUAL /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:52.42 | bodq | hello |
| 14:52.49 | bodq | how would I make a partial mirror? |
| 14:53.01 | valdyn_ | bodq: partial? |
| 14:53.06 | CosmoDad | anyone know a starter URL that explains how to create custom debian CDs? |
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| 14:53.09 | bodq | e.g. i need only unstable and do not have all requred drive space for full mirror |
| 14:53.23 | valdyn_ | bodq: do you really need a mirror? |
| 14:53.34 | valdyn_ | bodq: or is apt-proxy what you're looking for? |
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| 14:53.52 | trapd0r | bender-RW- isn't there a gui that lists sites you can add? |
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| 14:54.05 | stew | trapd0r: apt-setup |
| 14:54.10 | trapd0r | thanks |
| 14:54.10 | toresbe | stew: you need any mods in the kernel for that to work? |
| 14:54.14 | sml | anyone here know what the FTP Authorized Keys method of the snort sig for ftp does / means ? |
| 14:54.27 | stew | toresbe: yeah, you need iptables and nat |
| 14:54.29 | bodq | valdyn_: I have a full mirror already. I need to upgrade a box that has no network connection |
| 14:54.33 | stew | toresbe: at least 2.4 kernel |
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| 14:54.46 | stew | toresbe: iptables == netfilter |
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| 14:54.52 | valdyn_ | bodq: apt-zip |
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| 14:55.53 | toresbe | stew: mmkay |
| 14:56.06 | bodq | valdyn_: the box is not currently reachable |
| 14:56.53 | stew | this is starting to sound like a rube goldberg install |
| 14:57.08 | valdyn_ | bodq: but you do know what to download? or how is partial mirroring going to work if you dont know what you need? |
| 14:57.41 | bodq | valdyn_: i need only unstable, but not stable or testing |
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| 14:57.52 | bodq | valdyn_: I think i have space for unstable |
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| 14:59.39 | valdyn_ | bodq: I don't know something that really fits that. You could create a cd / dvd set via jigdo-like - off your mirror |
| 15:00.02 | valdyn_ | bodq: I don't know something that really fits that. You could create a cd / dvd set via jigdo-lite - off your mirror |
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| 15:00.16 | bodq | valdyn_: it's not exactly a complete mirror, unfortunatelly, it doesn't have some documentaion and stuff which is required for jigdo |
| 15:01.11 | xk | hrm |
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| 15:01.40 | valdyn_ | bodq: youre trying to make it difficult? add the docs to your mirror, create images w/ jigdo-like off a real mirror, whatever you like |
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| 15:02.27 | brainZzZ | Half sinner, half Christian, trying to make it all the way. |
| 15:02.43 | valdyn_ | bodq: finally jigdo can use your mirrors filesystem tree too, and fetch the rest off some real mirror |
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| 15:04.33 | bodq | valdyn_: thanks, that seems the sanest choice |
| 15:04.33 | valdyn_ | bodq: guess you didnt look at "debmirror" yet |
| 15:04.46 | bodq | valdyn_: :) |
| 15:04.57 | leonel | Sargeeeeee Where are you ? |
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| 15:06.43 | toresbe | stew: I should be able to then telnet to localhost 443, no? |
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| 15:07.51 | Hamled | Hi, I keep getting "eth0: interrupt(s) dropped!" spammed to my console, and I was wondering how to either fix the problem, or at least to stop it from writing to the console |
| 15:07.59 | greycat | Hamled: /msg dpkg klogd |
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| 15:08.48 | TheEmperor | hello |
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| 15:09.39 | Hamled | thanks |
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| 15:09.57 | Hamled | greycat, is there any particular way to solve the problem? |
| 15:10.32 | greycat | Hamled: find out what's wrong with your hardware or kernel, and fix it. Probably you have a shitty NIC or some other piece of hardware that's spamming your CPU with interrupts |
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| 15:10.41 | stew | toresbe: yes, if thats not working, i'd suggest asking in #iptables |
| 15:10.47 | TheEmperor | i am having trouble with debian reading a scsi harddisk |
| 15:10.48 | TheEmperor | any tips? |
| 15:10.57 | Hamled | greycat well that would make sense, this isn't the best of network cards :P |
| 15:10.59 | toresbe | stew: thanks :) |
| 15:11.02 | Hamled | thanks for all the help |
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| 15:16.13 | inc|freaky | what is ubuntu? |
| 15:16.19 | greycat | !ubuntu |
| 15:16.20 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
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| 15:16.52 | inc|freaky | thx :) |
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| 15:18.13 | shingokii | I've just been setting up udev rules, and I have things set so that my wacom tablet always appears on the same device, and my mouse appears on another |
| 15:18.26 | shingokii | if I use wacdump on the tablet, it works fine |
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| 15:18.42 | shingokii | if I cat the mouse device, I get gibberish when I move the mouse, as expected |
| 15:19.01 | shingokii | but I don't seem to be able to use the new mouse device as my mouse in XF86Config-4 |
| 15:19.21 | shingokii | if I use it, the point moves around at random in the bottom left of the screen, clicking etc. |
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| 15:19.44 | mikeX | hi, does the d-i have probles with USB keyborads? |
| 15:19.58 | mikeX | recent jigdo-dvd image |
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| 15:23.02 | mikeX | tried the 2.4x kernel |
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| 15:24.51 | TuxKImaXimus | what kind of GUI is standard in Debian? is it gnome or kde, or another one? |
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| 15:25.11 | mikeX | TuxKImaXimus, none really, but GNOME is usually prefered |
| 15:25.14 | caphuso | TuxKImaXimus: there is no standard gui |
| 15:25.19 | nevyn | TuxKImaXimus: whatever you want. |
| 15:25.26 | caphuso | and gnome isn't prefered |
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| 15:25.59 | mikeX | TuxKImaXimus, if you e.g choose to install 'Desktop Environment' you 'll get both KDE and GNOME, but Gnome will be the 'default session' at first |
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| 15:26.13 | mikeX | that's what i meant with 'prefered' |
| 15:26.18 | TuxKImaXimus | ok |
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| 15:26.22 | TuxKImaXimus | thanks :) |
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| 15:26.53 | caphuso | that's probably because g comes before k in alphabetic order |
| 15:26.58 | FieldySnuts | whither ravenbird :( |
| 15:27.10 | mikeX | caphuso, i guess it could be that |
| 15:27.13 | TuxKImaXimus | I feel better in gnome then kde. gnome is more like amiga/mac then kde, kde is more like the "virus" |
| 15:27.27 | brainZzZ | well that's probably because you'd get canned if you got caught |
| 15:27.28 | mikeX | i like gnome better too ;) |
| 15:27.42 | FieldySnuts | brainZzZ: eh? |
| 15:27.45 | brainZzZ | They stay at her mom's house .. which is not very far from us. When they are in town she comes over to my house at least 3-4 times a week .. with all the kids ..hehe. I just adore her kids and they really like me too :) |
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| 15:28.32 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: looks like that brain is really asleep :-) |
| 15:28.46 | brainZzZ | I was reading about this dude that got busted like that caphuso. |
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| 15:29.47 | sussudio | !seen ravenbird |
| 15:29.47 | dpkg | ravenbird <ravenbird@ravenbird.bot.simonrvn.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15h 33m 6s ago, saying: 'stew: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?'. |
| 15:29.55 | redguy | Howdy. I want to buy a hard drive for an old VIA Apollo VP2 (supports ATA-33 only) based box. Is there some kind of size limit? Can I put a new ATA-133 160 GB drive into this box and expect it to work? |
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| 15:30.13 | sussudio | redguy: rtfm for your motherboard. |
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| 15:31.30 | redguy | sussudio: good point |
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| 15:31.39 | b12arr0 | Good Morning everyone! |
| 15:31.51 | Rambo3 | i am thinking of installing new kernel , everything works on old kernel with hardware , can i keep configuration when for a new kernel , and some extras from new kernel should be installed |
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| 15:32.05 | ZaZ0wsman | hi |
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| 15:32.20 | ZaZ0wsman | what package i´ve to install to compile php + imap suport? |
| 15:32.20 | caphuso | Rambo3: copy your old .config in the new kernel tree and run "make oldconfig" |
| 15:32.33 | ZaZ0wsman | i´ve wu-imapd installed |
| 15:32.43 | greycat | !pal ZaZ0wsman |
| 15:32.49 | b12arr0 | If I have a dual 2.4gz xeon system, what kernel should I load? 686-smp? |
| 15:32.55 | greycat | b12arr0: yes |
| 15:33.19 | pkolmann | hi, maybe someone here can help me. I read some time ago about a server, where every old version of a debian package is stored. do you know the address? thanks |
| 15:33.31 | Rambo3 | capuso ,where is the old config , it s not in /usr/src |
| 15:33.31 | ZaZ0wsman | [greycat]: sorry, what i ve to do? |
| 15:33.53 | tomb0y | apt-get install php4 php4-imap |
| 15:33.58 | greycat | ZaZ0wsman: if you absolutely MUST use legacy mbox format, then use dovecot instead of uw-imapd. |
| 15:34.01 | sussudio | !tell pkolmann about snapshot |
| 15:34.17 | greycat | nobody should EVER use uw-imapd for ANY reason |
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| 15:34.26 | pkolmann | thanks dpkg. |
| 15:34.26 | dpkg | pkolmann: sure thing |
| 15:34.31 | pkolmann | quit |
| 15:34.42 | ZaZ0wsman | [greycat]: i need know what package of imap i´ve to install to COMPILE php with imap suport understand?, sorry my bad english |
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| 15:36.12 | resiak | !ee |
| 15:36.12 | dpkg | [ee] for gEEks |
| 15:36.19 | resiak | :/ |
| 15:36.22 | resiak | !.ee |
| 15:36.23 | dpkg | i guess .ee is the TLD (top level domain) of Estonia |
| 15:36.26 | sml | ee = electric eye ? |
| 15:36.33 | wolvie_ | Need help with the wflogs program. When run by cron from the /etc/cron.daily it generates the error message. Running the same script from bash or from root's crontab file works fine. Any ideas where the errror might be? |
| 15:36.34 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:37.35 | sussudio | http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/feb05/304927.asp < skunkyskunkyskunkyskunkPenixPenix |
| 15:37.48 | ZaZ0wsman | so |
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| 15:37.57 | ZaZ0wsman | apt-get install libc-client2001-dev and its done |
| 15:38.03 | ZaZ0wsman | thanks |
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| 15:44.26 | oneo | hey guys - KDE is no longer allowing me to log in as normal user other than root...if i type in the wrong password then it tells me invalid login but if i authenticate correctly the the login screen goes away for a few seconds, shows my desktop, then immediately the login screen appears again...does anyone know what could cause this? |
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| 15:44.43 | takatumi | (ee) |
| 15:45.08 | greycat | oneo: probably you created a bad .xsession file or similar. |
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| 15:45.23 | takatumi | how's that supposed to work? what xk said? |
| 15:45.46 | drac | takatumi: bitchx thingies I guess |
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| 15:46.15 | gteppel | I have a personal account on a linux server and I don't know the server-admin. Is there anyway as root for somebody to capture your password when you login to a linux machine?? |
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| 15:46.34 | kensuke | !dpkg info mozplugger |
| 15:46.38 | dpkg | mozplugger: (Plugin allowing external viewers to be launched inside Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.6.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 15:46.40 | |WARL0RD| | sure gteppel. with a bachdoored sshd or whatever you use to log in |
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| 15:47.04 | kensuke | :-) how do I ask dpkg for the apt source ? |
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| 15:47.16 | hexxeh | kenade, the source to apt-get? |
| 15:47.19 | gteppel | |WARL0RD| can you elaborate, can I check for this at all on his machine? |
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| 15:47.23 | |WARL0RD| | gteppel. root doesn't need your password to use your account tho. he can just "su user" |
| 15:47.54 | kensuke | nope ... there is a !command to send to the dpkg bot that will give me the apt source for mplayer binaries ... |
| 15:48.14 | kensuke | assuming dpkg is a guy :-) |
| 15:48.16 | greycat | kensuke: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 15:48.18 | takatumi | kensuke: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 15:48.18 | greycat | !gender |
| 15:48.18 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 15:48.23 | gteppel | |WARL0RD| i understand that... but can you capture my password and say if i do use the same password for something else he might try other things... (poor example but a gmail account) |
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| 15:48.33 | kensuke | THANX |
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| 15:48.54 | Lorvija | hmm, how can I install gd2 graphics library after installing php&apache? |
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| 15:49.00 | Epse | Hi can anyone help me? Im trying to login to my server (via lan) without an running xserver by using xdmcp is this possible? |
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| 15:49.16 | vosti | how can i sync software clock with hardware clock if hw clock is exact? timezone's set propely but "date" return to me a wrong time... |
| 15:49.23 | greycat | xdmcp is pretty damned useless if you have no X servers anywhere. |
| 15:49.38 | angkk^debian | hi everyone~ |
| 15:49.40 | greycat | vosti: man hwclock |
| 15:49.42 | Epse | on my client... im using X |
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| 15:50.02 | vosti | greycat, thanks |
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| 15:50.25 | stego | With the little Linux knowledge I do have, I'm guessing I should say No to aptitude wanting to remove udev because it is "unused". Isn't udev essential? |
| 15:50.27 | brainZzZ | how can i sync my bots' banlist w/ the channel bans? i just opped them to test and they removed all the chan bans |
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| 15:50.51 | hexxeh | stego, no, it's not, unless you need gnome-volume-manager |
| 15:51.11 | stego | hexxeh, which I don't. Thanks. |
| 15:51.22 | hexxeh | stego, i'd reboot after removing it, though |
| 15:51.31 | stego | hexxeh, ok. |
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| 15:52.44 | Epse | ok greycat... but if i install an xserver on my "server" i can also use vnc or mx to manage my system "graphicaly?!" Sorry sometimes bad english ;) |
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| 15:53.43 | Epse | and im searching for another (better) solution... |
| 15:53.59 | elllegao | akusarujin, got bored with gnu_linux? |
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| 15:54.43 | thorn | hi guys. I have question about multi processor linux boxes. If I have box with two CPUs and I begin to write big, then my two CPU's are getting loaded with 100% each. Why? I thought that only one CPU will loaded with 100% and other will be free. |
| 15:55.05 | thorn | hi guys. I have question about multi processor linux boxes. If I have box with two CPUs and I begin to write big file, then my two CPU's are getting loaded with 100% each. Why? I thought that only one CPU will loaded with 100% and other will be free. |
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| 15:55.30 | otje | I use cygwin/x on my winxpclient to run an application on my x window server. Is there a way I can disconnect my client machine and keep the program running? I don't have to get back to the program; it can just run till I kill (1) it. |
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| 15:55.50 | tondesinto | Hi :) does someone know if a debian is suppose to beep ? yesterday my debian has been beeping for 5 min. by series of 4 beep, each one higher pitched as the prev. one... |
| 15:56.25 | thorn | otje, use "nohup" |
| 15:56.43 | mcdonaldswes | I see periodic disk activity on my debian system (every few seconds)... how can I figure out what is accessing what on disk? |
| 15:56.48 | otje | thorn: it's an X program |
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| 15:57.29 | peanut | Hi. I'm running Apache 2 with suexec on Sarge. suexec doesn't seem to prevent users reading one anothers files. Any help please? |
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| 15:57.42 | |WARL0RD| | mcdonalds: write a kernel module that hijacks the write and open syscalls,a dn logs all filenames :) |
| 15:58.04 | brainZzZ | i have thousands of files and i wanna find all filenames that contains a number... but how? |
| 15:58.13 | mcdonaldswes | warlord: hmm, not sure if I care that much :) |
| 15:58.14 | hexxeh | brainZzZ, with grep |
| 15:58.19 | brainZzZ | you can do that with grep |
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| 15:58.32 | sml | brainZzZ: with "find" |
| 15:58.34 | sml | man find |
| 15:58.37 | brainZzZ | problem with google is 1) only when you put the right key words do you get any infomtion and then 2) it lies :S |
| 15:58.53 | hexxeh | oh, the filenames. yeah, find. |
| 15:58.59 | peanut | brainZzZ, something like find -type f -exec grep -l "0-9]" "{}" \; |
| 15:59.00 | brainZzZ | 0 |
| 15:59.07 | peanut | brainZzZ, something like find -type f -exec grep -l "[0-9]" "{}" \; ack |
| 15:59.15 | thorn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.17 | Delicates | anyone knows what MMX2 is? |
| 15:59.25 | brainZzZ | go into your bios, and search for something like "first boot device" or "boot order" |
| 15:59.25 | brainZzZ | 0 |
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| 15:59.34 | thorn | technology by Intel |
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| 15:59.36 | chimaera | Delicates: enhanced MMX? |
| 15:59.49 | brainZzZ | well its like finding the person with the biggest *****, you look for a guy, not a women, similarly, if you are looking for someone not emotional you pick a guy not a woman. |
| 15:59.50 | Delicates | chimaera: on which CPUs though? |
| 16:00.03 | peanut | thorn, ulimit might help. |
| 16:00.12 | FieldySnuts | did I just join #love-line ? |
| 16:00.19 | Delicates | mplayer gives me this: |
| 16:00.32 | FieldySnuts | Nurse Phated will see you now |
| 16:00.34 | Delicates | MMX2 supported but disabled |
| 16:00.34 | Delicates | CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 |
| 16:00.34 | Delicates | Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE SSE2 |
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| 16:00.49 | grivell | brainZzZ: Plenty of emotional guys. They are the pill poppers. |
| 16:00.55 | Lorvija | hmm, how can I install gd2 graphics library after installing php&apache? |
| 16:01.05 | peanut | suexec - how to avoid using "other" permissions (giving access to anyone?) |
| 16:01.05 | brainZzZ | they are the best. |
| 16:01.20 | chimaera | Delicates: what's the prob? mplayer? |
| 16:01.53 | hexxeh | thorn, "write big"? |
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| 16:02.09 | thorn | big file! |
| 16:02.12 | chimaera | Delicates: if you want to use mmx2 and mplayer is compiled with disabled runtime-detection, you have to recompile |
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| 16:02.21 | difeta | how can i unmount a drive even when its busy? |
| 16:02.44 | sml | chimaera: god that reminds me so much of that distro starting with G that "should not be named" |
| 16:02.48 | stew | difeta: use lsof or fuser to figure out which files on it are open, and close them |
| 16:02.53 | Delicates | chimaera: I'm just baffled by it. What's MMX2? Why it says I have MMX2 support, but no MMX2 in CPUFlags? Why during compile it says my kernel supports MMX2? |
| 16:03.00 | difeta | stew ok |
| 16:03.18 | sml | lsof | grep 'DELETED' |
| 16:03.22 | chimaera | sml: i'm just pointing out to it, i don't say it makes sense. |
| 16:03.37 | grivell | difeta: umount -l = lazy unmount, waits for not busy. umount -f = force ? |
| 16:03.40 | brainZzZ | glad i checked mah email it says i have to reply by the end of today lol |
| 16:03.42 | sml | chimaera: no worries :) .. you just gave me flashbacks that's all :) |
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| 16:03.55 | peanut | difeta, dont :) |
| 16:04.17 | difeta | grivell thanks |
| 16:04.21 | difeta | peanut why? |
| 16:04.22 | fjavier | we see us soon :-), bye |
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| 16:04.29 | grivell | difeta: use umount -l first. |
| 16:04.45 | peanut | difeta, because it normally breaks something (especially usb devices) |
| 16:04.51 | grivell | difeta: See if it unmounts, if not do the lsof :) but force is last. |
| 16:05.08 | stew | peanut: what makes usb devices different? |
| 16:05.54 | difeta | grivell ok thanks |
| 16:06.09 | peanut | stew, they're the ones I've had problems with when using umount -f |
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| 16:06.33 | brainZzZ | I've had problems with a lot more black people than 1 |
| 16:06.41 | FieldySnuts | uh. troll |
| 16:06.49 | stew | brainZzZ: wtf are you talking about? |
| 16:07.07 | brainZzZ | wtf are you talking about set up the bomb? |
| 16:07.22 | stew | brainZzZ: if you have a debian related question you better get to it quickly |
| 16:07.24 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: brainZzZ is your friend. |
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| 16:07.28 | FieldySnuts | stego: methinks it's a bot |
| 16:07.40 | FieldySnuts | brainZzZ: please bother sussudio |
| 16:07.44 | chimaera | Delicates: maybe because there's a prob with configure? it told me the same on my epia (C3) which also has no mmx2. |
| 16:07.45 | chimaera | Delicates: btw, maybe there'S a difference between your kernel supporting it and your cpu. ;) |
| 16:07.46 | brainZzZ | if you have an older Compaq hard drive will you be able to use it in a different built system? |
| 16:07.49 | brainZzZ | Google is your friend. |
| 16:07.55 | brainZzZ | before helping him did you bother or checked if #cage is his channel it isnt so we dont help him |
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| 16:08.19 | FieldySnuts | yay |
| 16:08.22 | FieldySnuts | thanks man |
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| 16:08.32 | greycat | some sort of Markov-chain bot, I think. |
| 16:08.38 | clusty | I am trying to make passive cooling for my processor through ACPI but have not figured out how yet (i read that it's possible, but could not find out how). Any done this? |
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| 16:08.45 | [Elvis] | hej, is there a udp client for debian? |
| 16:08.45 | FieldySnuts | i'm sure somebody is getting a kick out of it |
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| 16:09.05 | sussudio | [Elvis]: are you a retard or something? |
| 16:09.09 | chimaera | sml: know what you mean. with all that optimizing, you don't have time to actually use the system. the fun part: i never got gentoo on my epia running as well as a debian with slightly tuned xorg and multimedia-apps. :-D |
| 16:09.15 | PerfDave | [Elvis]: "udp client"? What do you mean? |
| 16:09.17 | Empty | [Elvis], I think you are asking the wrong question |
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| 16:09.28 | [Elvis] | 8) |
| 16:09.32 | Empty | PerfDave, think we should just tell him about nc? ;) |
| 16:09.34 | [Elvis] | I mean a program with which I can send a packet |
| 16:09.36 | [Elvis] | and receive something.. |
| 16:09.39 | sussudio | ... |
| 16:09.43 | [Elvis] | netcat.. |
| 16:09.46 | FieldySnuts | hping, rain, etc |
| 16:09.47 | hexxeh | try the post office |
| 16:09.52 | [Elvis] | too funny |
| 16:09.53 | [Elvis] | haha |
| 16:09.55 | [Elvis] | laughing |
| 16:10.01 | PerfDave | [Elvis]: There are lots of programs in Debian which use UDP. |
| 16:10.01 | FieldySnuts | please use more lines |
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| 16:10.08 | [Elvis] | I know.. |
| 16:10.13 | dave_ | I need some help, please |
| 16:10.15 | PerfDave | [Elvis]: If you wish to write your own, I suggest hacking some C or Perl. |
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| 16:10.25 | Ober | no someone help me instead! I was here first! :D |
| 16:10.25 | Empty | [Elvis], You ask a super-broad question, you get the only util that fits the bill |
| 16:10.26 | [Elvis] | but I want a program which can send a packet to a specific server...with a content I specify |
| 16:10.32 | sussudio | dave_: it's the third drawer from the right, next to the FieldySnuts voodoo doll |
| 16:10.41 | FieldySnuts | hey. |
| 16:10.47 | Sjimmie | Hej, anyone, when i have XMMS and AMSN running at the same time, i can hear sound from xmms but not amsn |
| 16:10.55 | PerfDave | [Elvis]: Then write one. Or possibly use netcat. |
| 16:10.56 | Sjimmie | and when i turn of xmms i can hear the amsn sounds |
| 16:11.06 | Empty | [Elvis], netcat will do it, but since you knew that nc = netcat and yet you asked for a "UDP client" methinks you are trolling |
| 16:11.16 | hexxeh | Sjimmie, which sound driver, which sound server, which sound card? |
| 16:11.21 | [Elvis] | I wrote one..but the problem is, I'm not getting the full packet size back...was wondering if it's a bug in my program.. |
| 16:11.28 | [Elvis] | that's why I want another program to confirm |
| 16:11.31 | grivell | !tell Sjimmie about dmix |
| 16:11.32 | PerfDave | [Elvis]: tcpdump :) |
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| 16:11.56 | Empty | [Elvis], what's wrong with sniffing the traffic to confirm your foo is seeing all thye bar? |
| 16:12.02 | dave_ | i have a problem when im booting a kernel, that says something like error Can't mount root=(hd0,0) |
| 16:12.06 | Sjimmie | thanks grivell |
| 16:12.19 | grivell | np |
| 16:12.19 | hexxeh | !norootfs |
| 16:12.19 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup ... |
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| 16:12.28 | [Elvis] | hmm Empty good idea |
| 16:12.30 | [Elvis] | 8) |
| 16:12.34 | otje | thorn: it's an X program |
| 16:12.35 | otje | I use cygwin/x on my winxpclient to run an application on my x window server. Is there a way I can disconnect my client machine and keep the program running? I don't have to get back to the program; it can just run till I kill (1) it. |
| 16:12.39 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :P |
| 16:13.11 | FieldySnuts | what was that one message by a debian dev, maybe about Xfree "we got the big dicks" or some such |
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| 16:13.43 | Empty | FieldySnuts, I was not aware Vixie was working on XFree now |
| 16:13.56 | FieldySnuts | "maybe" |
| 16:14.02 | Empty | heh |
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| 16:15.42 | daxxar | Hm. I'm trying to install Debian on a machine running a RocketRaid 1640 controller. Anyone have any clue on how to do this? (Seems it doesn't have "default" support for it) |
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| 16:16.41 | petemc | daxxar: is it supported by the linux kernel? |
| 16:16.50 | sussudio | jesus, the humidity is down to 15% here |
| 16:17.09 | daxxar | petemc, no, not AFAIK. |
| 16:17.21 | petemc | daxxar: then its unlikely it will work with debian |
| 16:17.30 | daxxar | petemc, why so? |
| 16:17.40 | petemc | because debian uses the linux kernel |
| 16:17.52 | hutze | O_O |
| 16:18.07 | daxxar | petemc, the manufacturer has released it's own drivers for linux. |
| 16:18.36 | hexxeh | it's a highpoint SATA card, with only a binary driver |
| 16:18.46 | daxxar | indeed. |
| 16:18.50 | hexxeh | there is no easy way to use it as your root device. |
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| 16:19.20 | hexxeh | maybe via installing to an ide disk, then debootstrapping an install after building the kernel interface for the ide install, and copying that kernel module onto the debootstrapped install |
| 16:19.24 | hexxeh | but it's a nightmare scenario |
| 16:19.39 | tovella | i'm new to debian, and the deb distros i've become accustomed to have x windows passthrough already working... |
| 16:19.39 | tovella | now that i've done a debian net install, i'm not sure how to get the x windows passthrough working, so i can run x programs from another LAN box... any ideas on how to get it working? |
| 16:19.43 | b12arr0 | My system will boot fine with a 2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel but I get "Kernel Panic: attempted to kill init" when I try to boot into 2.6.8-686-smp. Anybody know what would cause this? |
| 16:19.50 | greycat | tovella: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 16:19.55 | daxxar | hexxeh: :o |
| 16:20.11 | tovella | greycat: thanks. |
| 16:20.21 | hexxeh | daxxar, next time get a controller with linux support, e.g. silicon image. which is a shame, highpoint kit is great udner windows |
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| 16:20.58 | angkk^debian | Xorg - unstable source list deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com unstable main unworked T.T the other source list exist? |
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| 16:21.26 | greycat | angkk^debian: we don't support X.org here. |
| 16:21.37 | greycat | angkk^debian: if you can't find one in google or by asking the bot, then we don't know either. |
| 16:21.38 | eikke | is there any channel dedicated to synaptics? |
| 16:21.45 | angkk^debian | yeah... |
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| 16:22.36 | hexxeh | eikke, the touchpad driver or the apt frontend? |
| 16:22.47 | |WARL0RD| | is there any chan for getting support on firefox (#firefox seems to be dead)? |
| 16:22.47 | BadMan | eikke synaptics is gravy |
| 16:22.52 | eikke | apt frontend , sorry |
| 16:23.00 | daxxar | hexxeh,heh. |
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| 16:23.26 | BadMan | eikke ask someone may be able to help |
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| 16:23.55 | eikke | BadMan: I havent got a question on it |
| 16:23.57 | angkk^debian | other method is source file comfile.... T.T thx for answar greycat |
| 16:24.22 | BadMan | eikke ok |
| 16:24.27 | angkk^debian | answer -_-; |
| 16:24.35 | eikke | just need to know whether theres a channel on it, and if there is one, which :) |
| 16:24.42 | Epse | hi! Has anyone an idea to get mpd (musicplayerdeamon) working with the digitalsoundoutput of a dvb card? |
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| 16:25.24 | vahid | hello |
| 16:25.36 | |WARL0RD| | my firefox stopped displaying websites. it seems to still load every url I enter (blind. doesn't display what I type either), because the titlebar changes to the new site. when I click a menu item nothing happens (the menu may open, and it doesn't get displayed). Last thing I did before that problem occured was update a theme, which failed (got an error msg telling me that the theme can't be updated). any ideas on how to fix that? |
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| 16:26.39 | vahid | i install sarge , how can i install package from network ? |
| 16:26.54 | greycat | vahid: apt-setup; apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:26.55 | vahid | i configured network and it's work well |
| 16:27.20 | vahid | greycat, i want instal many package ( like kde ) |
| 16:27.31 | nnk | vahid: apt-setup, apt-get install , apt-cache search, apt-get install aptitude |
| 16:27.58 | PerfDave | vahid: tasksel |
| 16:27.59 | vahid | tnx |
| 16:28.00 | slocate | anybody what pkg installs the X Window System libraries and headers? |
| 16:28.26 | nnk | vahid: ok, try using aptitude or synaptic for that (synaptic only if you have x allready), it might be easyer |
| 16:28.45 | nnk | tasksel also.. |
| 16:28.53 | vahid | nnk, no i have not any thing only base |
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| 16:29.15 | nnk | than aptitude or tasksel |
| 16:29.16 | greycat | !faq vahid |
| 16:29.17 | dpkg | vahid: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:30.31 | vahid | tnx a lot |
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| 16:31.19 | setnf | hey, i install xfce4.2 for debian... but backdrop pluguin was not found what package need i install ? |
| 16:32.00 | greycat | !find bin/mkpasswd sarge |
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| 16:32.39 | setnf | hey, i install xfce4.2 for debian... but backdrop pluguin was not found what package need i install ? |
| 16:32.39 | dob | hi |
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| 16:33.13 | nnk | setnf: try to find out using apt-cache search, for instance |
| 16:33.24 | dob | why if i add this rules with iptables : "iptables -A FORWARD -i tun+ -j ACCEPT" i don't see it with iptables -L ? |
| 16:33.26 | setnf | nnk i already do it.. |
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| 16:33.59 | hutze | i just installed debian sarge and everytime i want to download a file with galeon or mozilla (only webbrowser installed yet) the app stop responding. |
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| 16:34.54 | hutze | the apps freeze when they are supposed to open the file dialog :( |
| 16:35.16 | PerfDave | hutze: wget ;) |
| 16:36.04 | hutze | PerfDave, yes thats what i just thought |
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| 16:36.28 | setnf | hey, i install xfce4.2 for debian... but backdrop pluguin was not found what package need i install ? |
| 16:36.47 | PerfDave | hutze: Well, if wget works, you know it's not a network problem... |
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| 16:38.19 | setnf | hey, i install xfce4.2 for debian... but backdrop pluguin was not found what package need i install ? |
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| 16:39.02 | hutze | PerfDave, since it happens with galeon and mozilla it also cannot be related to gnome/gtk |
| 16:39.25 | hutze | PerfDave, omg its devian !!! ;) |
| 16:39.29 | hutze | debian* |
| 16:39.53 | otje | I use cygwin/x on my winxp client machine to run an application on my x window server. Is there a way I can disconnect my client machine and keep the program running? I don't have to get back to the program; it can just run till I kill it. |
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| 16:40.23 | hexxeh | setnf, 4.2's not in debian. |
| 16:40.28 | PerfDave | otje: You could run it in VNC to start with? |
| 16:40.35 | setnf | hexxeh: yes its |
| 16:41.02 | hexxeh | !info xfwm4 |
| 16:41.08 | dpkg | xfwm4: (window manager of the XFce project), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 511 kB, Installed size: 1620 kB |
| 16:41.16 | hexxeh | no, it's not. |
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| 16:41.34 | setnf | http://the.earth.li/~uggie/xfce4 |
| 16:41.36 | setnf | yes it is |
| 16:41.50 | petemc | i think you mean huggie |
| 16:41.57 | hexxeh | i can link 404's too |
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| 16:42.09 | setnf | http://the.earth.li/~huggie/xfce4 |
| 16:42.09 | PerfDave | http://thislinkdoesntworkeither.com/ |
| 16:42.10 | setnf | sorry |
| 16:42.18 | otje | PerfDave: I don't know anything about VNC yet, but i'll look at that; I'm kinda looking for a 'screen' for X |
| 16:42.30 | hexxeh | and just because a repository exists, doesn't mean it's in debian. we don't support xorg in here, but there are .debs for that |
| 16:42.40 | setnf | it's just a missing plugin |
| 16:42.43 | setnf | backdrop |
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| 16:42.50 | setnf | the rest works very well |
| 16:42.52 | petemc | otje: if you use something like rfb, you can connect to a running x session, then disconnect/connect at will |
| 16:43.12 | PerfDave | setnf: You are not installing Debian packages from the Debian package archives, you are installing random debs from somewhere on the Internet. |
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| 16:43.23 | otje | petemc: that sounds promising |
| 16:43.29 | petemc | it works well |
| 16:43.38 | setnf | ok |
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| 16:43.46 | petemc | otje: rfb, or gnome has a version, called vino i think |
| 16:43.51 | Kzimm | hi |
| 16:43.56 | setnf | http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org PerfDave and now ? |
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| 16:44.10 | Kzimm | how can i get the older file name in a directory please ? |
| 16:44.19 | undertow | simple netinst question: i need the wlan-ng package to connect, how can i get this installed *first* before netinst begins to install everything else? |
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| 16:44.24 | lqgusso | anyone can help me? |
| 16:44.31 | boycer | Kzimm: man ls - look for the -t option |
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| 16:44.39 | PerfDave | setnf: And now what? |
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| 16:44.50 | greycat | Kzimm: ls -lat |
| 16:44.51 | xenoduck | Is there a way to use find to find just sparse files? 350MB of space has disappeared from a partition unaccounted for. "df -h" shows X used, and "du -xh /" shows (X - 350). |
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| 16:45.06 | joaoc | anyone knows what the command log_begin_msg does? |
| 16:45.13 | undertow | xenoduck: du? |
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| 16:45.36 | iZm | how can I install packages via apt-get without debconf getting involved? I want to script package installs and configure them later. |
| 16:45.42 | undertow | xenoduck - ls -laR |
| 16:45.56 | PerfDave | iZm: Google for "debian install preseed" |
| 16:46.08 | iZm | PerfDave: cheers :) |
| 16:46.10 | xenoduck | undertow: I think you might not understand my quesiotn. |
| 16:46.18 | PerfDave | iZm: AIUI, you create a udeb containing the configuration options which does all the debconf stuff for you. |
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| 16:46.23 | Kzimm | greycat: thanks |
| 16:46.24 | undertow | xenoduck i guess not |
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| 16:47.16 | hyakuhei | hey all, i have a server dying, freezes up, no nice flashing lights or nething, nothing obvious in dmesg/syslog, any other logs you think would be usefull ? |
| 16:47.26 | hjalte | Hi. I'm using the unstable branch, and when I tried to upgrade my system yesterday, it was going to free over 200MB on the disk, and I figured I'd better ask, before I did something. So why is it, that apt wants to free 100MB when I want to upgrade xserver-xfree86? |
| 16:47.30 | lqgusso | what's the better language for i learn to program |
| 16:47.43 | Rambo3 | VB |
| 16:47.43 | hjalte | I haven't figured out, which package is freeing the other 100MB |
| 16:47.47 | pappy- | hyakuhei: check power supply |
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| 16:47.54 | hyakuhei | java is easy to pick up and has good principles lqgusso |
| 16:47.55 | pappy- | hyakuhei: and press num lock key on server keyboard |
| 16:48.01 | undertow | lqgusso: python |
| 16:48.09 | pappy- | hyakuhei: if it does not work any more when server freezes, check power supply even harder |
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| 16:48.17 | stew | lqgusso: what kind of stuff do you want to program? |
| 16:48.19 | PerfDave | hjalte: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 16:48.29 | hjalte | oh, ok |
| 16:48.36 | hyakuhei | erm, thanks pappy, i think |
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| 16:48.54 | PerfDave | lqgusso: What sort of programming do you want to do? I'd recommend Perl or bash for scripting, or C++ for "real" programming. |
| 16:48.59 | undertow | does anyone know how to get the netinst process to load a local .deb package before it begins the install? |
| 16:49.01 | TinoW | sid? C=64 sound chip? ;) |
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| 16:49.19 | sml | PerfDave: C for real programming ;) |
| 16:49.20 | dvs | ha! |
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| 16:49.33 | lqgusso | stew, i wanted to learn some language and i no have idea for where to begin |
| 16:49.38 | lqgusso | do you undertand? |
| 16:49.39 | dvs | TinoW: I'd prefer Paula! |
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| 16:49.56 | Rambo3 | is there somehing that C can do and c++ cant? |
| 16:49.58 | Putiikki | shorewall spams to my terminal, what to do? |
| 16:49.59 | undertow | lqgusso - begin with python, that's where im starting...its relatively easy to understand |
| 16:50.11 | reaper_ | anyone run a usb intellimouse under X windows? i need the mouse config for it |
| 16:50.13 | dvs | Rambo3: Yes, the new C99 stuff |
| 16:50.16 | PerfDave | sml: asm! |
| 16:50.16 | sml | Rambo3: a language is a language. C++ uses a completely different design paradaim |
| 16:50.27 | sml | PerfDave: heh. only used BCD. |
| 16:50.33 | undertow | lqgusso: http://docs.python.org/ |
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| 16:50.52 | lqgusso | and do you know where i get stuff for i study that language? |
| 16:51.04 | TinoW | dvs: yeah, me too :) |
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| 16:51.10 | sml | lqgusso: all you need is online. |
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| 16:51.16 | fleeder | i just installed sarge what kind of updates should i be doing security wise |
| 16:51.16 | sml | lqgusso: plus the newsgroup comp.lang.c |
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| 16:51.27 | sml | lqgusso: read their FAQ too before posting. |
| 16:51.49 | lqgusso | thank you sml |
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| 16:52.15 | Kzimm | greycat: i did ls -lat but for have the last file i need do ls -lat | grep 2nd line ? |
| 16:52.22 | lqgusso | sml what kind of aplicattion i can to do with python? |
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| 16:53.12 | fas3r | hi all |
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| 16:53.16 | greycat | Kzimm: ls -lat | grep ^- | tail -1 | ... |
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| 16:54.40 | mlots | How does "Last login: " work? Shadow's lastlog man page isn't too useful. |
| 16:55.01 | fas3r | i have a problem with apt... when i made apt-get install mozilla-firefox.. it return this error "sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" .smae, i used force option's for dpkg or apt he returned same error |
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| 16:55.29 | petemc | mlots: it looks in /var/log/wtmp |
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| 16:56.25 | Kzimm | greycat and can do rm < ls -lat | grep ^- | tail -1 ? |
| 16:56.28 | hutze | does anyone know how to enable syntax highlightin in vim? |
| 16:56.29 | humbolt | how far to go until sarge release?? |
| 16:56.32 | mlots | petemc: Can it ever get the rdns entry wrong? I.e. is just an IP stored in wtmp? |
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| 16:56.39 | SlayerXP | Humbe: this far <----------> |
| 16:56.41 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 16:56.42 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 16:56.42 | SlayerXP | (not to scale) |
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| 16:56.54 | greycat | Kzimm: be VERY VERY VERY careful when you throw an "rm" into the script. You'll be eaten alive if the oldest file in the directory is named "; rm -rf /" |
| 16:56.59 | SlayerXP | humbolt even |
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| 16:57.17 | stew | fas3r: woody or sarge? did you check the bts? |
| 16:57.19 | petemc | mlots: i guess if it couldnt do a ptr lookup at that time, im not sure tbh |
| 16:57.32 | Kzimm | greycat :/ yeah but i need do a script that delete le oldest file in a dir :/ |
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| 16:57.44 | rend | for the typical debian install, how many cds should I make? |
| 16:57.49 | Kzimm | greycat: for a backup script but if there is another solution ... |
| 16:58.12 | RedGlow | hutze: ":syntax on" |
| 16:58.18 | mlots | petemc: I'm trying to figure out if one of my accouts was hacked... |
| 16:58.54 | fas3r | stew with sarge |
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| 16:59.15 | mlots | Oh well. Meeting time. I'll ask the sysadmin. Thanks |
| 16:59.17 | stew | fas3r: bts? does it give any other clues as to why its failing? |
| 16:59.22 | petemc | mlots: you could try chkrootkit and debsums, |
| 16:59.22 | fas3r | check the bts? |
| 16:59.30 | fas3r | where is it? |
| 16:59.38 | gilles | How to undelete files ? |
| 16:59.49 | stew | fas3r: /msg dpkg bts (it's in the topic) |
| 17:00.00 | mwilson | rend: As many as the installation guide tells you to make. |
| 17:00.04 | sml | gilles: there is an undelete howto. |
| 17:00.16 | fas3r | ho sorry ok i go to see |
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| 17:00.33 | sml | gilles: or better. take it from your backup tape :) |
| 17:00.40 | fleeder | i just installed sarge what kind of updates should i be doing security wise |
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| 17:00.54 | sml | im actually restoring a whole hierarchy right this second from a backup tape. there's no excuses not to backup important data :) |
| 17:00.58 | greycat | Kzimm: well, the first thing you're going to want to do is get rid of the "-l" in the ls(1) command, so you just have the filenames. Unfortunately that means you might get directory names mixed in, since you won't have the permissions field to help filter them out. |
| 17:01.02 | hutze | RedGlow, thanks |
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| 17:01.23 | greycat | Kzimm: it just gets uglier after that. |
| 17:01.31 | RedGlow | hutze: you're welcome ;-) |
| 17:01.36 | Kzimm | greycat: gné |
| 17:01.42 | FieldySnuts | find -type f ? |
| 17:01.52 | FieldySnuts | obviously with other arguments to prevent recursing |
| 17:01.53 | greycat | FieldySnuts: ok, but now you need to sort it by mtime. |
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| 17:01.59 | FieldySnuts | ah annoying |
| 17:02.00 | Kzimm | greycat: seems not be so easy |
| 17:02.03 | greycat | FieldySnuts: find(1) can't do that. |
| 17:02.04 | FieldySnuts | though i bet find can do it |
| 17:02.06 | FieldySnuts | or not. |
| 17:02.19 | fas3r | lol |
| 17:02.24 | FieldySnuts | bleh I gotta get back to redoing our backup plans, fun |
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| 17:03.00 | greycat | Kzimm: probably the "easiest" way would be something like this: ls -tr | while read f; do [ -f "$f" ] || continue; echo I want to remove "$f"; done |
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| 17:03.18 | greycat | Kzimm: throw in a break to make it more efficient. |
| 17:03.25 | Kzimm | wow |
| 17:03.28 | greycat | actually you'll NEED one anyway. |
| 17:03.39 | greycat | Kzimm: ls -tr | while read f; do [ -f "$f" ] || continue; echo I want to remove "$f"; break; done |
| 17:03.58 | FieldySnuts | while we're on it. in a bash script how do I test for the existance of a file, it would be empty. |
| 17:04.03 | hutze | how do i get the "make" command? i install gcc, isnt that enough? |
| 17:04.10 | sussudio | !b-e hutze |
| 17:04.11 | dpkg | hutze: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 17:04.14 | Kzimm | hum |
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| 17:04.42 | sml | FieldySnuts: all the tests are in the man page |
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| 17:04.46 | hutze | thanks sussudio |
| 17:04.52 | FieldySnuts | true brb |
| 17:04.54 | Kzimm | i dunno how make thos thing |
| 17:05.05 | Kzimm | the while read f is for me a secret |
| 17:05.08 | Kzimm | :/ |
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| 17:05.27 | greycat | Kzimm: http://shelldorado.dyndns.org/wiki?BashFaq and http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 17:05.46 | hyakuhei | ok, heres a question for you, why would network cards make my desktop unstable? it has a pci sound card that works fine, but any pci network card seems to make it die, mobo is v880 |
| 17:05.52 | Kzimm | nice link thaks |
| 17:06.07 | ruckerz | i just installed php4-mysql and i dont' see mysql in my phpinfo ? |
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| 17:07.21 | drac | hyakuhei: tried disabling plug'n'pray from your bios? i'm guessing some irq conflict. |
| 17:07.33 | qwertz | Hi! How can I set the root directory for anon ftp use with vsftpd? |
| 17:07.51 | hyakuhei | not a bad idea drac, will do, thanks |
| 17:08.10 | hyakuhei | i thought plug and play was a good thing...? |
| 17:08.29 | drac | if it works, sure :) |
| 17:08.33 | nnk | hyakuhei: i have an a7v880, used it w an pci network card, no sb though, never had a problem |
| 17:09.57 | gilles | how can i restore a file that has been deleted with a recovery program ? |
| 17:10.01 | ricky_clarkson | Isn't plug and play just a fancy way of saying "the card tells the computer what it is"? |
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| 17:10.13 | Empty | if I nuked(rsynced away) something on an EXT3 FS I am fucked right? None of the ext2 recovery tools can help? |
| 17:10.15 | jp- | is there anyway to reinstall a package and _all_ of it's deps? |
| 17:10.17 | FieldySnuts | resource allocation |
| 17:10.36 | ricky_clarkson | jp-: aptitude remove package; aptitude install package |
| 17:10.52 | jp- | alright, i'll give aptitude a shot, thanks. |
| 17:11.05 | ricky_clarkson | jp-: That only helps if you installed it with aptitude (afaik). |
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| 17:11.15 | jp- | ah, i see. |
| 17:11.25 | jp- | well, i'll try anyway. |
| 17:11.27 | hyakuhei | nnk what type of graphics card you running? i have massive problems with mine |
| 17:11.34 | hyakuhei | cant even boot into 2.6 |
| 17:11.35 | ricky_clarkson | jp-: Why reinstall, anyway? |
| 17:11.45 | jp- | because i've screwed up. |
| 17:11.46 | jp- | :) |
| 17:11.47 | gilles | Is there a way to recover files that have been deleted in root mode ? |
| 17:11.49 | ricky_clarkson | In what way? |
| 17:11.55 | greycat | "in root mode"? |
| 17:11.58 | greycat | oh.... my. |
| 17:12.02 | ricky_clarkson | gilles: Yes. From the backups you made. |
| 17:12.06 | reaper_ | anyone have any ideas why the mouse in X only moves up and down? its a usb intellimouse on debian 3.1 |
| 17:12.19 | ricky_clarkson | reaper_: Maybe it's on strike. |
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| 17:12.24 | jp- | i was playing with xorg and despite the directions i followed, it didn't install next to xfree. |
| 17:12.32 | greycat | maybe one of the little rollers inside it is broken |
| 17:12.38 | ricky_clarkson | jp-: So you want to remove X? |
| 17:12.38 | gilles | ricky_clarkson: my backups are old, there should be another way... n? |
| 17:12.46 | drac | reaper_: Wrong protocol, or you could try stopping gpm if it's running. |
| 17:12.48 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, Xorg |
| 17:12.49 | reaper_ | it works on other computers |
| 17:12.50 | reaper_ | okay |
| 17:12.56 | jp- | i want to reinstall xfree completely to replace anything xorg put over the top of what was there. |
| 17:12.58 | asuffield | maybe it's just crap |
| 17:13.08 | ricky_clarkson | jp-: Have you removed xorg yet? |
| 17:13.17 | greycat | jp-: so purge Xorg, and then purge xfree (/msg dpkg remove x), then install xfree. |
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| 17:13.45 | reaper_ | protocols ExplorerPS/2, Intellimouse, and Microsoft make the mouse cursor skip around the screen uncontrollably |
| 17:13.46 | jp- | getting rid of xorg is partialy a problem, but i think i can manage to do it. |
| 17:13.51 | reaper_ | others make it go up and down only |
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| 17:13.55 | jp- | just trying to get a plan of action down first. |
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| 17:14.39 | fas3r | stew i have read but i dont find |
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| 17:15.03 | ricky_clarkson | reaper_: mdetect |
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| 17:15.51 | ruckerz | anyone have any luck with php4-mysql in unstable? |
| 17:16.11 | deadsmith | ruckerz, haven't tried |
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| 17:17.08 | BadMan | hmm seems my crystal audio sound card is not working, what is the first thing I should check its an 4281 and cmpci mod is laoded... Ideas? |
| 17:17.09 | stazz_ | Hey.. Where could I get the default kernel config that's used for building the 2.6 kernels found in sarge? |
| 17:17.15 | stew | ruckerz: you may need to add and extension=mysql.so to you php.ini |
| 17:17.21 | stew | fas3r: is there an error message? |
| 17:17.26 | sml | stazz_: its in the .deb file. the config. |
| 17:17.37 | stazz_ | sml: in which .deb file? |
| 17:17.45 | sml | stazz_: the .deb file for the kernel package. |
| 17:17.59 | drac | stazz_: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:18.00 | stazz_ | sml: ok. will try finding, thanks. |
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| 17:18.17 | ruckerz | stew: damn its not loading |
| 17:18.31 | valentinos | is there a console graphical utility like synaptics ? |
| 17:18.37 | sml | stazz_: or what drac said assmuning you've already installed the .deb. |
| 17:18.38 | stew | ruckerz: are you looking at the apache error log? |
| 17:18.43 | drac | valentinos: aptitude |
| 17:18.50 | valentinos | thanks |
| 17:18.54 | ruckerz | stew: i'm not getting any errors |
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| 17:19.12 | stew | ruckerz: you have an extension line in the correct php.ini? |
| 17:19.15 | ruckerz | i just get a blank page |
| 17:19.24 | stew | ruckerz: so php isn't working at all? |
| 17:19.35 | ruckerz | stew: phpinfo() works fine |
| 17:19.38 | ruckerz | but no m ention of mysql |
| 17:20.15 | ruckerz | and i got the configuration file path from phpinfo() |
| 17:20.16 | valentinos | ah great no more synaptics crashes :) |
| 17:20.39 | ruckerz | where can i get old releases of packages? |
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| 17:20.45 | hexxeh | !sdn |
| 17:20.45 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 17:20.46 | greycat | ruckerz: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:20.52 | ricky_clarkson | ruckerz: Garage sales. |
| 17:20.57 | stew | ruckerz: do you have an extension=mysql.so in your php.ini? |
| 17:21.01 | ruckerz | stew: es |
| 17:21.03 | ruckerz | erm |
| 17:21.03 | ruckerz | yes |
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| 17:21.15 | stew | ruckerz: did you check the bts? |
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| 17:21.25 | ruckerz | stew: nope nto yet |
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| 17:21.48 | sae | is there a command that will tell me what the clock speed is of my CPU? |
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| 17:22.02 | greycat | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:22.19 | sae | thanks greycat! |
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| 17:22.33 | Amarande | dang |
| 17:22.40 | Amarande | i can't believe woody is still current :/ |
| 17:22.46 | incorrect | why does the CPU% show up differently from top? |
| 17:22.50 | Amarande | how long has it been now? |
| 17:22.52 | ricky_clarkson | Amarande: sid is closer to current. |
| 17:22.53 | WhiteRabbit | 2002 |
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| 17:24.07 | greycat | !woody |
| 17:24.07 | dpkg | methinks woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
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| 17:24.13 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 17:24.13 | dpkg | woody hardware support is, like, firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 17:24.42 | spaghet | i just installed sarge what kind of updates should i be doing security wise |
| 17:25.08 | valentinos | is there a utility that can check my cpu speed (not Ghz) |
| 17:25.20 | greycat | valentinos: google for "benchmark" |
| 17:25.23 | sml | spaghet: you should be using woody if you're security conscious |
| 17:25.24 | greycat | have fun. |
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| 17:25.41 | greycat | sml: or subscribe to d-s-a and manually handle any relevant announcements. |
| 17:25.56 | sml | spaghet: sarge doesn't have any security infrastructure like woody. |
| 17:25.58 | Ketter | spaghet: standard updates will do, the security team has (iirc) still nothing to do with the sarge untill it will be released as stable |
| 17:26.06 | spaghet | im not really security concious i just mean what needs to be upgraded for security reasons i don't want to get rooted you know |
| 17:26.18 | Amarande | hmm, i don't suppose anyone has any idea how much longer till sarge goes release? |
| 17:26.30 | Ketter | spaghet: then get security concious if you don't want to get rooted |
| 17:26.35 | sml | spaghet: in that case subscribe to BUGTRAQ (securityfocus.com) and be concerned by only packages which you're running. |
| 17:26.35 | stew | Amarande: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 17:26.36 | WhiteRabbit | spaghet: use apt get to update the entire system packages & lock iptables down |
| 17:26.55 | WhiteRabbit | spaghet: apt get a nice rootkit checker as well |
| 17:27.06 | Amarande | :/ |
| 17:27.12 | sml | spaghet: the linux vendors make their announcments there also. |
| 17:27.15 | Amarande | i really didn't want to have to run a different distribution |
| 17:27.32 | Amarande | however, it seems with debian, i get a choice between either poorer security or poor support for my hardware. :/ |
| 17:27.41 | sml | then of course there's comp.security.announce, where CERT post. |
| 17:27.45 | greycat | Amarande: or waiting. |
| 17:27.54 | spaghet | WhiteRabbit whats the command to update everything? |
| 17:27.56 | spaghet | sml thanks |
| 17:28.02 | Amarande | well, this system needs a windows reinstall, which means I'm considering taking the opportunity to set up a dual boot |
| 17:28.02 | sml | spaghet: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 17:28.09 | spaghet | thanks again =) |
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| 17:28.22 | Amarande | especially since it's -bloody- inconvenient to properly support a 200GB drive with XP |
| 17:28.27 | greycat | any box that will run windows should NOT be directly exposed to the internet, so sarge is safe enough for practical purposes. |
| 17:28.33 | tonix | hi guys, how can i install new font tu se with gnome and mozilla in debian? thanks |
| 17:28.35 | greycat | you're going to be inside a firewall *anyway*. |
| 17:28.46 | sml | spaghet: however that will only apply SECURITY updates for woody. it will apply non security related updates on a sarge system. |
| 17:28.54 | Ketter | spaghet: read thru the apt manual that you can find on debian.org, it might help |
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| 17:28.57 | sml | greycat: inside users are worse than external ones. |
| 17:29.10 | sml | or rather inside attackers are more troublesome than external ones. |
| 17:29.11 | greycat | sml: then he shouldn't be running windows. |
| 17:29.21 | Amarande | heh, yah, NAT is kinda hard to hack through, unless someone breaks your router, and then you have worse things to worry about than root shells :> |
| 17:29.27 | WhiteRabbit | not if you have the right kinda IT team |
| 17:29.28 | spaghet | yea i can't install woody is has problems with my keyboard during the install thing |
| 17:29.52 | sml | Amarande: NAT is NOT hard to hack through. NAT is *not* a security mechanism its an address space preserving device.. amougst other things |
| 17:29.54 | ricky_clarkson | All it takes is for someone to pop in with a laptop and you're screwed if you rely on a physical firewall. |
| 17:29.57 | Amarande | your keyboard? i thought keyboards were like, completely basic :> |
| 17:29.57 | sml | do NOT confuse NAT with security. |
| 17:30.14 | WhiteRabbit | the stealthness of nat was a stumbled upon mistake hehe |
| 17:30.18 | ricky_clarkson | sml: IP Masquerading is security, and NAT provides that, even thought that's not its aim. |
| 17:30.21 | WhiteRabbit | you want a router with nat & spi |
| 17:30.36 | ricky_clarkson | s/thought/though/ |
| 17:30.39 | WhiteRabbit | spi makes all the difference |
| 17:30.47 | ricky_clarkson | !spi |
| 17:30.47 | dpkg | spi is, like, Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
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| 17:30.55 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Not true IMHO. You can quite easily get past a Masquerading mechanism if you know control an "evil server". |
| 17:31.00 | spaghet | Amarande its a HP USB keyboard and it works fine at the boot: screen but when i get to the select language screen it don't work |
| 17:31.03 | WhiteRabbit | Stateful packet inspection |
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| 17:31.31 | ricky_clarkson | sml: You mean if somebody connects to your evil server you can do stuff? |
| 17:31.43 | WhiteRabbit | also you want a router that has the option of killing fraged packets all to gather if your on broadband |
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| 17:32.02 | sml | ricky_clarkson: you only need to send spoofed traffic with the right socket information back to the masq device and it will happily lookup the correct ip and port number of the internal host and forward your traffic to it. ive done it. |
| 17:32.18 | WhiteRabbit | sml: not if you kill loppback in say sysctl.cong |
| 17:32.19 | ricky_clarkson | sml: What would that gain you? |
| 17:32.23 | sml | ricky_clarkson: i mean if you either "are" said sever or.. are informed enough to know the socket details. |
| 17:32.30 | toymachine | any idea why i can't read a udf dvd file |
| 17:32.37 | toymachine | but my windows machine, and my powerbook can/ |
| 17:32.39 | sml | ricky_clarkson: lets say they're running tcpdump and there is a flaw. |
| 17:32.43 | WhiteRabbit | sml: net.ipv4.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0 |
| 17:32.54 | toymachine | is there a package i need to install with debian? |
| 17:32.55 | sml | ricky_clarkson: a single payloaded packet would compromise that device that's behind the NAT device. |
| 17:33.06 | sml | ricky_clarkson: ergo: NAT is not a security mechanism BY ITSELF. |
| 17:33.07 | ricky_clarkson | toymachine: 'read' as in play or mount? |
| 17:33.11 | drac | toymachine: modprobe udf ? |
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| 17:33.22 | ricky_clarkson | sml: It is. But not necessarily good. |
| 17:33.30 | sml | ricky_clarkson: not to mention any other IDS devices like compromisable snort nodes.. |
| 17:33.35 | toymachine | mount |
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| 17:33.40 | toymachine | i have udf built into my kernel |
| 17:33.50 | Amarande | sml: that's just a higher-tech version of inducing someone to download malware, though |
| 17:33.53 | ricky_clarkson | toymachine: How are you mounting, and what's the error? |
| 17:34.04 | toymachine | mount -t udf /dev/hdc /media/cdrom |
| 17:34.09 | Amarande | no firewall will protect your security if you install malware :> |
| 17:34.11 | sml | ricky_clarkson: it provides an element of securit by elminating information to the attacker... however that can be said of many things. |
| 17:34.16 | ricky_clarkson | et l'erreur? |
| 17:34.16 | toymachine | and the error is bad filesystem or too many mounted filesystems |
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| 17:34.57 | WhiteRabbit | Amarande: if you have udp spi sure it would |
| 17:35.03 | sml | Amarande: no its not. if run a packet sniffer outside my firewall i can get the socket info i need and guarantee my packest get back through the "firewall". |
| 17:35.18 | sml | NAT <> firewall or even security. |
| 17:35.18 | sml | IMHO. |
| 17:35.22 | mwilson | The obvious answer is that UDF isn't built into your kernel. |
| 17:35.35 | sml | and on some lame ass ADSl boxes i've got their implementation is even worse |
| 17:35.36 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: That would be the less than obvious answer. |
| 17:35.42 | toymachine | mwilson, it is |
| 17:35.47 | toymachine | im 100% positive of it |
| 17:35.57 | greycat | mwilson: hmm, I'd think you'd get "unknown file system type `udf'" if that were the case. |
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| 17:36.10 | greycat | or words to that effect |
| 17:36.13 | ricky_clarkson | ricky@ricky:~$ sudo mount -t imaginary /dev/hdc /mnt/something |
| 17:36.13 | ricky_clarkson | mount: fs type imaginary not supported by kernel |
| 17:36.16 | mwilson | Hm, perhaps. |
| 17:36.18 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:36.40 | toymachine | i've tried -t auto too, but to no avail |
| 17:36.42 | Amarande | this network uses a Linksys WRT54G, actually |
| 17:36.46 | ricky_clarkson | When's that reiser guy gonna write imaginaryfs? |
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| 17:36.54 | greycat | toymachine: what makes you think it's a valid UDF file system on that device? |
| 17:37.01 | Amarande | SPI firewall enabled. |
| 17:37.02 | toymachine | it works on my powerbook |
| 17:37.07 | toymachine | and my windows machine |
| 17:37.13 | mwilson | toymachine: How is that an answer to his question? |
| 17:37.16 | Amarande | y'know what one thing I think is -really- odd about linksys routers? |
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| 17:37.19 | ricky_clarkson | toymachine: 'works'? |
| 17:37.21 | sussudio | !works on windows |
| 17:37.21 | dpkg | Geez, it "works on windows"? Why don't you bugger off back to windows then? |
| 17:37.27 | Amarande | unless you tell it not to, it specifically blocks the identd port |
| 17:37.28 | toymachine | mounts with no problems |
| 17:37.36 | ricky_clarkson | toymachine: As a UDF disc? |
| 17:37.36 | Amarande | you'd think that people would want to be -encouraged- to leave identd open |
| 17:37.39 | toymachine | yep |
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| 17:37.50 | mwilson | Amarande: Why in the world would you think that? |
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| 17:38.06 | Amarande | mwilson: ident is frequently used as evidence that you are not going through an open proxy |
| 17:38.11 | greycat | probably in the false assumption that an ident response is actually meaningful |
| 17:38.16 | Amarande | most broadband providers must use ident to connect to most irc servers |
| 17:38.26 | mwilson | Amarande: Actually, it's almost never used for anything at all. |
| 17:38.33 | mwilson | Amarande: Wrong again. |
| 17:38.34 | caphuso | greycat: it's useful to whoever runs the identd |
| 17:38.35 | Amarande | and even if you can connect to the irc server, many channels ban broadband users if they do not have identd |
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| 17:39.00 | sussudio | i see a reason to /cycle |
| 17:39.04 | stego | Does anyone know why I had to reinstall the alsa-base and the nvidia kernel module after I removed udev/hal? |
| 17:39.06 | greycat | caphuso: only if you have untrusted local users |
| 17:39.17 | sussudio | iNsane in the botbrain |
| 17:39.20 | greycat | sussudio: or not :) |
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| 17:39.26 | sussudio | :-| |
| 17:39.51 | caphuso | greycat: or ones you can trust on that they do something stupid and want a reason to hit them :) |
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| 17:40.30 | goron | How can I make beeping work? It does work in the login shell, but nog in X. |
| 17:40.39 | greycat | man xset |
| 17:40.42 | mwilson | "beeping"? |
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| 17:40.48 | toymachine | lol |
| 17:40.55 | Ketter | *beep-beep* |
| 17:41.13 | dlksjf | what's the keymap for arrow keys? anyone? |
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| 17:41.24 | greycat | dlksjf: man infocmp |
| 17:41.36 | greycat | (and man terminfo, etc.) |
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| 17:41.41 | sml | ricky_clarkson: its trivial to get packets past a nat device that implements plain ol' nat without any stateful inspection or other sheganigans.... i usually dont enable nat at all on ADSl devices and plug the device via x-over straight into a debian box. let the debian box handle the traffic. At least linux doesn't use guessable outbound sourceport ranges for the translation. |
| 17:41.47 | dlksjf | thx greycat |
| 17:42.02 | smcavoy | how can I disable ssh password usage and force keys only? |
| 17:42.08 | sml | ricky_clarkson: coz of course you can even brute force a nat device. |
| 17:42.18 | sml | smcavoy: man sshd_config |
| 17:42.20 | Amarande | hmm, here's something weird I just noticed on linuxhq |
| 17:42.27 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Yes, but it helps you to ignore bad packets. |
| 17:42.41 | Amarande | I wonder if this kernel will protect us from the next year or so of kernel-based security holes without need for updates! :> heh |
| 17:42.43 | Amarande | "Current: 2.6.10, 25-Dec-2005" |
| 17:42.49 | Amarande | after all, it appears this kernel was released in the future :> |
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| 17:43.09 | Elad2 | hello all |
| 17:43.11 | greycat | it's next year's christmas present! |
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| 17:43.16 | Elad2 | what is the best os of debian? |
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| 17:43.21 | dlksjf | greycat: im looking for fluxbox keybindings..? |
| 17:43.21 | Noid | i have two networked computers, and i want to duplicate hdd contents from one (10GB partition, only 2 GB occupied) to another (4GB partition) so that i obtain a copy of the original debian, how do i go on about this? |
| 17:43.21 | greycat | Elad2: Debian |
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| 17:43.28 | sml | ricky_clarkson: it would help if isp's didn't allow peopel to so easily send spoofed packets. |
| 17:43.35 | sml | ricky_clarkson: dont they use reverse path discovery ? |
| 17:43.41 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Dunno. |
| 17:43.42 | greycat | dlksjf: and the 151 people in #fluxbox couldn't help? |
| 17:43.47 | sascha___ | does anyone know which package i need to get wxPython? |
| 17:43.48 | dlksjf | sheesh |
| 17:43.54 | Elad2 | sarge is ok ? |
| 17:44.09 | ricky_clarkson | Elad2: For what? |
| 17:44.09 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I can load balance the upload only using two ADSL devices.. just because my ISP *does* allow bad packets. |
| 17:44.09 | smcavoy | sml: I already have "PasswordAuthentication" set to no, outside of that is there anything else |
| 17:44.10 | greycat | !faq Elad2 |
| 17:44.11 | dpkg | Elad2: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:44.16 | sml | ricky_clarkson: The irony. |
| 17:44.24 | stego | How do I find out which device a certain HD is? |
| 17:44.29 | Noid | to put it another way, what is the correct tool for the job? |
| 17:44.33 | drac | stego: dmesg | grep hd |
| 17:44.39 | goron | greycat: I did xset reset followed by xset b on, but the result is void. |
| 17:44.40 | stew | stego: or fdisk -l |
| 17:44.50 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: man cp |
| 17:44.53 | Elad2 | dpkg thanks |
| 17:44.53 | dpkg | Elad2: no worries |
| 17:44.54 | Elad2 | :) |
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| 17:45.06 | stego | Thanks. Would that work for say USB storage devices too? |
| 17:45.19 | greycat | goron: dunno, then. probably you have something fuckin' weird going on, like GNOME. |
| 17:45.40 | goron | Modularity.... arg |
| 17:45.40 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: cp can copy over a network? |
| 17:45.43 | Amarande | anyway, any idea what sort of software glitch would cause this? |
| 17:45.44 | drac | stego: Most likely they'll be in /dev/sdXX, dmesg | grep sd perhaps. |
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| 17:45.46 | stew | stego: then you want dmesg | grep sd or fdisk -l |
| 17:45.47 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: i didn't know that |
| 17:45.59 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: I misread. |
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| 17:46.02 | ricky_clarkson | Noid: man rsync |
| 17:46.04 | Amarande | in many applications (currently on windows xp, i haven't tried linux yet), the mouse will not reliably single click |
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| 17:46.11 | stego | drac, stew, much appreciated. |
| 17:46.13 | Amarande | it will two-click or double-click spontaneously at times |
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| 17:46.17 | sascha___ | is there a option to auto-install suggested packages ? |
| 17:46.24 | Amarande | however, this does NOT happen with everything (for instance, I can play DOOM without double shooting) |
| 17:46.27 | ricky_clarkson | Amarande: If it happens on >1 OS, sounds like hardware. |
| 17:46.40 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: ok, by the man page, that sounds more like it, thanks |
| 17:46.46 | sascha___ | !dpkg suggested packages |
| 17:46.47 | Amarande | the fact that it isn't exhibited in all programs indicates a software glitch. I have yet to try it with Linux, though. |
| 17:46.51 | ricky_clarkson | Amarande: If it happens on 1 OS, why ask about Windows in here? |
| 17:46.54 | Amarande | looks like I spend the afternoon downloading isos |
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| 17:47.09 | sml | smcavoy: that's the correct option PasswordAuthentication no |
| 17:47.19 | sml | smcavoy: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 17:47.20 | BadMan | need some sound help all... CS4281 soundcore is loaded so is snd-cs4281(used by soundcore) not seenig any errors.. |
| 17:47.20 | stew | Amarande: you only need 1 netinst iso |
| 17:47.30 | sml | smcavoy: there might be a reload option im not sure. |
| 17:47.51 | BadMan | not sure wehre else to check... |
| 17:47.59 | sml | smcavoy: this box aint debian so i cant check what options the sshd script allows on debian. |
| 17:48.10 | Amarande | of course, before I can install, I need to install Windows again, since I seem to recall Windows/Linux dual boots don't work unless you install Windows first. :> |
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| 17:48.20 | greycat | !smite sml |
| 17:48.25 | Amarande | say, any of you who do dual boot ... do you remember whether installing XP service packs or updates will frequently trash the MBR? |
| 17:48.32 | Amarande | as in, wipe lilo and make Linux not boot? |
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| 17:48.37 | sml | greycat: Heh. |
| 17:48.39 | greycat | Amarande: I doubt it. |
| 17:48.46 | greycat | Amarande: but you should always have your rescue disk just in case. |
| 17:48.50 | juhov | Amarande: never happened to me |
| 17:49.02 | sml | Amarande: That's not true you can let windows hose your MBR but you can always boot into linux from floppy and reun lilo/grub |
| 17:49.15 | sml | s/reun/rerun |
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| 17:51.19 | sml | oh well |
| 17:51.27 | sml | time for me to go get a curry! yippee. ciao people. |
| 17:51.41 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Bah, you and your pathetic Southern curries. |
| 17:51.48 | sml | ricky_clarkson: LOL. |
| 17:51.53 | ricky_clarkson | Extra-mild korma. |
| 17:51.58 | sml | southern curries are still better than *my* curries ;) |
| 17:52.09 | ricky_clarkson | I'm missing Rusholme. |
| 17:52.10 | sml | beh! tonight a lamb tikka pathia i'll have you know! |
| 17:52.17 | FieldySnuts | what is a curry anyway |
| 17:52.34 | ricky_clarkson | FieldySnuts: Spiced meat, usually with rice and naan bread. |
| 17:52.45 | sml | FieldySnuts: After linux it's the worlds greatest invention |
| 17:53.01 | sascha___ | im on a fresh debian sarge and all browsers freeze when i try to download a file. there are also programs that freeze right after startup. |
| 17:53.01 | ricky_clarkson | England's national dish (but it's of Indian origin). |
| 17:53.05 | Haukkari | Any idea what's wrong when my router works fine with DMA off on every disk but when I enable DMA for every of the three disks, it will crash after about 5-10 mins of heavy file reading over samba share... |
| 17:53.12 | sml | which becomes more and more appealing the more beer you drink. |
| 17:53.24 | Amarande | tikka |
| 17:53.27 | ricky_clarkson | Linux becomes more appealing after beer too. |
| 17:53.30 | Amarande | we used to have a cat named Tikka here, heh |
| 17:53.31 | sml | lol |
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| 17:53.36 | sml | ricky_clarkson: did you know there is a BEERlinux ? |
| 17:53.41 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
| 17:53.46 | sml | supposedly a distro created whilst under the influence. |
| 17:53.52 | sml | ricky_clarkson: i saw it on the distro page. |
| 17:53.55 | FieldySnuts | also known as slackware |
| 17:53.56 | nav | I want to create a debian package for the ivtv module... I've read tutorials on making packages from source and using dependencies.. BUt with modules, the dependency is the kernel-headers for the particular kernel the user is running... Can someone recommend a tutorial/resource for creating debian packages for kernel modules? |
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| 17:54.03 | sml | FieldySnuts: LOL. that may be true ;) |
| 17:54.16 | sml | anyway bye bye people, be good. |
| 17:54.32 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: linux become more appealing as soon as the chaos in your brain is equivalent to the one in it's code |
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| 17:55.22 | rrs | test msg |
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| 17:55.53 | grzywacz | Hi, does anyone have some time to help me with fonts problem in X? Starting all apps that seem to depend on "standard" fonts (like xclock, xpdf, etc) results in: "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)" and application exiting. :-\ |
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| 17:56.51 | Amarande | okay, just where -are- the netinst isos? all I see are the "will take days to download even on broadband" 10+ disc set isos |
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| 17:57.03 | BadMan | !ask CS4281 |
| 17:57.06 | Amarande | and more importantly, is there a netinst iso for sarge? |
| 17:57.12 | stew | !d-i Amarande |
| 17:57.13 | dpkg | Amarande, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:57.25 | jethro | Amarande: did you check www.debian.org ? |
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| 18:00.41 | Becca | Hi... can someone point me to a page about getting a dvd player to work under linux? I have xine installed, but I'm not certain what I need to do beyond having xine |
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| 18:01.23 | Amarande | ahh, here we go |
| 18:01.33 | Amarande | will 2.4 install work with >137GB drives, or do I need to risk 2.6? |
| 18:01.42 | Amarande | (apparently the bug errata says 2.6 may trash your Windows partition) |
| 18:01.58 | stew | 2.4 will work |
| 18:02.06 | stew | Amarande: where did you see this errata? |
| 18:02.20 | abrotman | bug errata ? |
| 18:02.25 | drac | Amarande: 2.4.22 and newer will work, Sarge comes with 2.4.27 |
| 18:02.25 | russo | hey can someone help me i need to intall also and i'm still kind of new :) |
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| 18:02.38 | abrotman | Becca: libdvdread or something at least .. |
| 18:02.40 | russo | I need to install ALSA* |
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| 18:02.49 | abrotman | err something like that |
| 18:02.53 | abrotman | !alsa |
| 18:02.53 | dpkg | alsa is probably On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
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| 18:03.26 | russo | ahh fuck i accidentily closed :( |
| 18:03.44 | Amarande | i can't believe i've become so ignorant of linux details again :/ |
| 18:03.50 | Amarande | i used to be a rather hardcore user |
| 18:03.52 | Becca | Thank you, abrotman. *Types in apt and installs it* |
| 18:03.57 | Amarande | but then i stopped using linux for a couple years :/ |
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| 18:04.31 | Becca | Amarande: Heh, I know the feeling... but I just stopped toying with more advanced things and went with apt for everything and forgot the little I HAD learned... oops |
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| 18:05.03 | Becca | Do I need to mount the dvd player after installing that libdvdread3, or will xine take care of it for me? |
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| 18:05.17 | grivell | Becca: Xine takes care of it |
| 18:05.28 | Amarande | hopefully orlock won't come around again and taunt me about identd. :> heh |
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| 18:05.41 | grivell | libdvdcss you need too ;) |
| 18:05.45 | Amarande | anyone else happen to remember a bug with Bo where the default identd could crash and take inetd with it? |
| 18:05.54 | Becca | Awesome.. Oh the irony.. I'm on tolkien.freenode... and I'm fighting with this to watch RoTK extended.. |
| 18:05.55 | Amarande | I remember the first time I used Debian, I used Bo |
| 18:05.58 | russo | i'm sorry does anyone here know how to install ALSA? |
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| 18:06.09 | drac | !tell russo about alsa |
| 18:06.10 | Becca | I think it just installed that when I went with libdvdread3, grivell... et me confirm though |
| 18:06.19 | Becca | russo -- apt-get install alsa? >.> |
| 18:06.26 | russo | i tried that |
| 18:06.27 | philstar | why does gnome-desktop-environment depend on gpdf? |
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| 18:06.39 | Amarande | and this guy goes and portscans my computer, which a) took up ALL my bandwidth (since I was on a 14.4 and he was on something like 512Kbps or something like that), and b) when it hit the ident port, inetd shut down. |
| 18:06.59 | mwilson | philstar: Uh, probably because gpdf is the Gnome pdf reader? |
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| 18:07.05 | obsmav | for some reasoni keep getting samba time outs and my whole samba system just shut down once i set this box to host dhcpd |
| 18:07.14 | Becca | Ok.. or not.. where do I get libdvdcss2? |
| 18:07.22 | philstar | mwilson: I want to use evince, which is installed |
| 18:07.25 | Becca | Do I need to add somtehing to my sources to be able to install it? |
| 18:07.30 | grivell | Becca: Using Marrilat's dpkg source? |
| 18:07.37 | grivell | !marillat |
| 18:07.37 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 18:07.45 | Amarande | Oh yeah, he also claimed that repeated unsolicited portscans of a dialup computer from a broadband computer, didn't constitute DoS. :P |
| 18:07.47 | Amarande | Ahh, those were the days, heh |
| 18:07.48 | Becca | Thanks, grivell! |
| 18:07.50 | mwilson | philstar: <shrug> So remove gpdf, then. |
| 18:07.53 | stew | philstar: gnome-desktop-environment is a meta pacakge just to make it easy to install everything gnome under the sun, you can remove that and just install the bits of gnome you actually want |
| 18:08.09 | mwilson | philstar: Why you're surprised that, when you tell it to install Gnome, it does so, I have no idea. |
| 18:08.15 | philstar | stew: can I not uninstall the bits that I don't want, after installing the meta package? |
| 18:08.37 | philstar | because I actually do want most of the bits... |
| 18:08.53 | Amarande | apparently, what philstar is puzzled about |
| 18:08.58 | Amarande | is that, judging by what he is saying |
| 18:09.03 | Amarande | GNOME depends on a particular GNOME -application- |
| 18:09.08 | ricky_clarkson | philstar: Uninstalling some bits will uninstall the metapackage. But uninstalling the metapackage will not do anything bad. |
| 18:09.09 | philstar | exactly |
| 18:09.18 | abrotman | grivell: you don't need libdvdcss |
| 18:09.18 | mwilson | Amarande: Uh, well, yeah. That's kind of the idea, after all. |
| 18:09.22 | Amarande | usually, applications depend on the environment, not the other way round :> |
| 18:09.34 | abrotman | Becca: you don't need libdvdcss .. you can get by without it |
| 18:09.58 | philstar | thanks ricky_clarkson |
| 18:10.02 | ricky_clarkson | The gnome metapackage is just a handy thing. I just install the individual apps I want, rather than gnome in full, personally. |
| 18:10.30 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: there's more than one .. gnome-core exists .. and gnome-desktop or something like those |
| 18:10.41 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Stonking. |
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| 18:10.43 | Amarande | speaking of DVD, I'm still a bit puzzled that a couple of DVD software makers went to the trouble to produce licensed Linux DVD players, then refused to sell them other than to OEMs, heh |
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| 18:11.05 | ralfWORK | what takes the place of /etc/init.d/iptables in sarge/testing? |
| 18:11.21 | Amarande | about the only thing I can think is that the DVD Copy Control Administration ruled that Linux isn't a sufficiently secure environment for ANY applications to be licensed under unless they're OEM only? |
| 18:11.22 | Becca | abrotman: How difficult is it to watch stuff without it? |
| 18:11.22 | mwilson | Amarande: This surprises you because...? |
| 18:11.30 | Becca | I'm most interested in the easiest way possible :) |
| 18:11.38 | Amarande | mwilson: they made software and then they didn't sell it. usually when you go to the trouble of R&D, you sell your software :> |
| 18:11.51 | mwilson | Amarande: They do. To OEM's. |
| 18:12.04 | Amarande | well, they had originally intended to sell to end users, but then decided not to |
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| 18:12.09 | Amarande | i've never quite known exactly why |
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| 18:12.11 | mwilson | Amarande: If you say so. |
| 18:12.40 | Amarande | was that their decision, or did the DVD-CCA and MPAA indeed intervene? |
| 18:12.53 | grivell | abrotman: What do you mean? Every DVD has css as far as I know. |
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| 18:13.32 | Becca | Urf... how does one bring up that little play menu bar in Xine? The one with play, stop, load, and the style (such as dvd, etc) |
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| 18:13.51 | Mefdahl | Q:How can I force an install with cpan? I've a need for perl Tk, tried installing with 'cpan Tk' and *something* kind of fails 99.8% success on tests. |
| 18:13.56 | Amarande | it seems to me that the privileges given to the administrator in Linux may have worried the officials |
| 18:13.56 | grivell | Becca: You use KDE or Gnome? |
| 18:14.01 | greycat | Mefdahl: apt-cache search dh make perl |
| 18:14.13 | Amarande | In Windows, some things are reserved for the SYSTEM user, and even administrators can't do them. In Linux, root can do ANYTHING. |
| 18:14.20 | Mefdahl | <gnome user |
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| 18:14.39 | grivell | Amarande: You obviously haven't used SELinux. |
| 18:14.51 | Becca | grivell: wmaker |
| 18:14.52 | svele | Do there exist a Finder (OS X) clone for linux? |
| 18:14.59 | Becca | so I believe that would be gnome? |
| 18:15.00 | ralfWORK | god I hope not |
| 18:15.01 | ralfWORK | rofl |
| 18:15.02 | jethro | Amarande: you can prevent root from doing things in many ways |
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| 18:15.53 | grivell | Becca: or just window maker :) hmm. Well, you could try Totem or Kaffeine. I prefer those. |
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| 18:16.42 | Becca | Ouch,... Totem requires 42 megs of stuff to work |
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| 18:16.52 | Amarande | jethro: not on a standard distribution install, though, which is the point |
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| 18:17.04 | technoMyst | Is there a way to prevent specific packages from being upgraded with apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:17.11 | Amarande | the power of root in a standard distribution is pretty much absolute, which is not the case for an Administrator on a Windows machine |
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| 18:17.31 | drasko | Anyone used bluefish editor? Why clicking on "View in Browser" dont work - nothing happends? |
| 18:17.35 | Nei | how do I search packages for filenames? |
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| 18:17.45 | jethro | Amarande: what would a windows admin not be able to do, that a root could do on a linux system (if applicable) |
| 18:17.48 | jethro | ? |
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| 18:18.07 | jethro | Amarande: still talking default windows and linux install |
| 18:18.10 | Amarande | in particular, Windows applications can make it more or less impossible to hijack a data stream post-decryption (this impossibility being a prerequisite for proper DRM) without extensive reverse engineering of the software concerned |
| 18:18.12 | valdyn_ | now that is one of the most stupid things ive ever heared, that linux DVD players were not released due to how root works |
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| 18:18.15 | Mefdahl | jethro login as the user |
| 18:18.20 | Mefdahl | w/o the password. |
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| 18:18.43 | mwilson | valdyn_: Oh, is he still going on about that? |
| 18:18.49 | RolandU | hi all! |
| 18:18.50 | Amarande | whereas under Linux, root can monitor and extract pretty much any data stream (for instance, see the utilities that monitor network activity as it happens) |
| 18:18.52 | valdyn_ | mwilson: yea |
| 18:19.02 | jethro | Mefdahl: heard of backuping the sam, modifying the password, login, then restore the sam? |
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| 18:19.06 | valdyn_ | Amarande: shut up spreading lies, if you don't know better, still shut up |
| 18:19.29 | RolandU | is it normal if there is no reply to a bug report after two weeks? |
| 18:19.31 | Becca | Hopefully I can get this to work,.. Urf |
| 18:19.31 | greycat | more of conspiracy theory than a lie. |
| 18:19.31 | Mefdahl | jethro copared to "su <username>" thats a bit of work. |
| 18:19.37 | grivell | Becca: Well, xine-ui is acceptable then. You probably don't have gnome or kde libs :) |
| 18:19.46 | greycat | RolandU: depends on the maintainer and the report. |
| 18:19.50 | grivell | Becca: Not sure where DVD-Nav is though in it. |
| 18:20.06 | Araldi1 | I need to load some modules doring boot.. To which file do I add them, so that I can load them and at the same time load them with some options.?? |
| 18:20.10 | Becca | grivell: No, I don't... Primarily because I've learned 1.8 gigs is NOT enough space for all of the junk gnome and kde want |
| 18:20.13 | Becca | so I went with neither. |
| 18:20.13 | jethro | Mefdahl: oh yeah, harassing work.. |
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| 18:20.27 | ralfWORK | does anyone know what happened to /etc/init.d/iptables in sarge/testing?C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C |
| 18:20.31 | ralfWORK | er sorry |
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| 18:20.41 | russo | whats a good mp3 player for linux??? |
| 18:20.42 | Becca | I had an install go to hell because the default size for the root partition did not have enough space for all of the junk a desktop install wanted |
| 18:20.46 | Becca | which really, really irritated |
| 18:20.49 | daxxar | Hm. How do I setup a thirdparty module to autoload on box boot? (disk controller) |
| 18:20.55 | Becca | russo: xmms |
| 18:20.55 | Lee__ | ralfWORK: I think you have to make your own |
| 18:20.58 | daxxar | s/ box// |
| 18:21.24 | abrotman | grivell: i do'nt have libdvdcss on my box .. i can watch dvds |
| 18:21.31 | hutze | russo, xmms is like winamp, rhythmbox like itunes |
| 18:21.32 | abrotman | Becca: ^^ |
| 18:21.36 | grivell | abrotman: How is that? |
| 18:21.49 | RolandU | greycat: well that was a sound problem with a game |
| 18:21.49 | Amarande | grivell: only mass-market commercial DVDs use CSS |
| 18:21.57 | russo | apt-get install rhythmbox? |
| 18:22.02 | Amarande | CSS is something the publisher chooses to use, it's not something that -must- be used for DVD-Video to work |
| 18:22.07 | grivell | Amarande: Like LOTR's ;) Which Becca is trying to play |
| 18:22.11 | Mefdahl | Not even all commercial dvds are encrypted |
| 18:22.21 | Lee__ | probably 99% are |
| 18:22.27 | ralfWORK | I don't get it |
| 18:22.27 | ralfWORK | heh |
| 18:22.28 | Lee__ | but it's worthless to encrypt them |
| 18:22.32 | grivell | Amarande: Yeah I thought all commercial DVD's used it though. |
| 18:22.34 | hutze | russo, i dont know if its on the official debian tree |
| 18:22.36 | Araldi1 | I need to load some modules doring boot.. To which file do I add them, so that I can load them and at the same time load them with some options.?? |
| 18:22.44 | ralfWORK | the README.debian.gz talks about it being deprecated |
| 18:22.50 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if anyone ever decided to try that turn-CSS-on-its-head trick :> |
| 18:22.52 | ralfWORK | but gives no reason |
| 18:22.57 | Lee__ | There's this documentary on Linux called "revolution OS" that's commercial but doesn't have CSS :) |
| 18:23.08 | Amarande | I remember reading on a list that disliked the media industry's security measures and the DMCA |
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| 18:23.28 | Amarande | that they were going to make some sort of movie, and then distribute it on DVD with CSS under their own key, and then license that key ONLY to free software |
| 18:23.39 | Lee__ | ralfWORK: you have to find the iptables script you originally used for your firewall, run that manually then make a init script yourself. |
| 18:23.42 | grivell | hutze: And amarok is a workspace :) |
| 18:23.56 | ralfWORK | Lee__: yea I just don't understand why |
| 18:24.00 | Becca | How do I make certain that my dvd drive is working? Is there a command I can use to check to make certain its accessible by the program? |
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| 18:24.05 | Lee__ | the world is a mystery... |
| 18:24.08 | greycat | Becca: mount |
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| 18:24.35 | greycat | Becca: of course, that won't reveal permissions problems |
| 18:24.44 | Lee__ | mount -t iso9660 /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd substituting the real paths for your system. |
| 18:25.15 | Becca | *L* I'll just use mnt/dvd for testing purposes. |
| 18:25.55 | Lee__ | if yr using Gnome all this stuff happens automatically if the DVD is in /etc/fstab |
| 18:25.59 | Becca | Ok, apparently my laptop isn't recognizing it has a dvd drive in there, since /dev/dvd doesn't exist |
| 18:26.10 | Lee__ | Becca: not necessarily |
| 18:26.12 | Amarande | becca: is it IDE? |
| 18:26.21 | Amarande | if it's IDE, it probably shows up as /dev/hd(something) |
| 18:26.23 | Lee__ | try this" dmesg | grep -i dvd |
| 18:26.25 | greycat | Becca: /dev/dvd is just a symlink for human convenience |
| 18:26.31 | Lee__ | forget that quote. |
| 18:26.37 | Becca | Amarande, I wouldn't have a clue? It is a nice little one that plugs into my laptop. |
| 18:26.54 | valdyn_ | !usb-storage |
| 18:26.54 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 18:26.58 | Becca | hdc. |
| 18:27.00 | valdyn_ | Becca: read ^^^^ |
| 18:27.03 | grivell | Becca: Are you in the cdrom, or whatever user group? |
| 18:27.28 | abrotman | grivell: damned if i know .. but it works .. i've never used mplayer or marillat |
| 18:27.28 | greycat | (.... do NOT add yourself to the 'disk' group....) |
| 18:27.30 | abrotman | 's sources |
| 18:27.31 | Becca | valdyn_, What does that have to do with an internal dvd drive? o.- |
| 18:27.53 | Becca | And how would I check the user groups? I normally avoid groups unless absolutely necessary |
| 18:27.58 | Lee__ | Becca: substitute /dev/dvd with /dev/hdc in the mount command. |
| 18:28.02 | greycat | Becca: id |
| 18:28.05 | grivell | greycat: cdrom group I said ;) |
| 18:28.10 | valdyn_ | Becca: I don't know, you said "plugged into my laptop", not "built into my laptop", if its not usb, ignore it |
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| 18:28.14 | greycat | grivell: just heading off the potential disaster. |
| 18:28.22 | greycat | grivell: "or whatever" can be a bit open-ended. |
| 18:28.36 | Becca | Ok, that mounted ok |
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| 18:28.38 | grivell | Becca: groups |
| 18:28.49 | Becca | Yes, I'm in cdrom |
| 18:28.54 | greycat | Becca: ls -ld /dev/hdc |
| 18:29.03 | greycat | you may have to chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 18:29.08 | Becca | audio and video, floppy, and dialout |
| 18:29.11 | grivell | greycat: lol, I'm lazy. whatever is my "I'm not loading up a console right now" answer. |
| 18:29.22 | greycat | this is also in the FAQ... |
| 18:29.27 | greycat | probably on the old AudioVideo page |
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| 18:29.33 | greycat | !wikifaq Becca AudioVideo |
| 18:29.34 | dpkg | Becca: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:30.04 | daxxar | How do I set a third-party kernel module up so it's automatically loaded on bootup? (It's for a disk controller, but not the one / or /boot is on) |
| 18:30.05 | Becca | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2004-09-18 is what that reports, greycat |
| 18:30.10 | Amarande | GRUB |
| 18:30.13 | Amarande | wow, I'm definitely out of it |
| 18:30.14 | Empty | Is there some ninja mastery to get dpkg to give me a list of installed packages and not truncate the names? |
| 18:30.15 | raf256 | hi, is there some m105 palmtop emulator for linux? |
| 18:30.19 | Amarande | when I used Linux last, everything used lilo |
| 18:30.26 | greycat | Becca: ok, it's already done, then. |
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| 18:30.27 | Becca | and its mounted on /mnt/dvd at the moment, and there are definitely files there |
| 18:30.38 | raf256 | Empty: AFAIK there was an option for that, like --COLS or --WIDE or something, see in man |
| 18:30.44 | Becca | ... not that I have any comprehensible idea of what to do with them. *L* |
| 18:30.46 | greycat | Becca: you should be able to tell your applications to use /dev/hdc |
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| 18:30.54 | gartt__ | In the shell, how to you indicate spaces? |
| 18:31.03 | Becca | Ok, let me read up on Xine and see how to boss it around that way :) |
| 18:31.03 | greycat | ' ' |
| 18:31.10 | Empty | raf256, Yeah, envvar COLUMNS, but setting it to 800 and >ing it to a file does not help |
| 18:31.12 | raf256 | gartt__: perhaps \ or quote the file name "program files" |
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| 18:31.32 | raf256 | Empty: I rely thing there was option for dpkg application |
| 18:31.39 | raf256 | (but I might be wrong) |
| 18:31.50 | Empty | raf256, it mentions that var in the manpage |
| 18:31.53 | Becca | Will I need to umount the /mnt/dvd now that I've done it, or is it fine being left as is? |
| 18:31.56 | gartt__ | so blah blah.blah would be blah' 'blah.blah? :S |
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| 18:32.08 | greycat | Empty: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l is the standard answer. |
| 18:32.25 | gartt__ | Ah, you can quote it? |
| 18:32.27 | gartt__ | Thanks |
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| 18:32.35 | andrownz | does anybody use "nget" command line to grab news ? |
| 18:32.45 | greycat | Empty: dpkg --get-selections | egrep '([^a-z]installed|hold)$' may also work out well. |
| 18:33.15 | Empty | weird it worked that time but 'export COLUMNS=800; dpk -l' did not work |
| 18:33.48 | Amarande | okay, two steps left before format, I guess |
| 18:33.48 | Amarande | check to see if this sarge netinst disc boots |
| 18:33.48 | Amarande | and decide just how much space to give Windows |
| 18:33.48 | mwilson | andrownz: Someone must, since the utility exists. |
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| 18:33.48 | greycat | Empty: you typed it wrong. |
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| 18:33.58 | greycat | Empty: or you misrepresented exactly what you did |
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| 18:34.39 | Empty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.53 | andrownz | mwilson: the aim of my question is implicitly to ask the person how much RAM space it uses while using it with some options .. |
| 18:35.03 | greycat | Empty: what was line 5? :) |
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| 18:35.19 | Empty | Same as 6, minus the > inventory |
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| 18:35.31 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.38 | Empty | Maybe it hates me because I am chrooted |
| 18:35.44 | Becca | Gaaaahhh. *beats xine* Why won't you give me the menu back, you stupid thing! *beats* |
| 18:35.59 | xerophyte | there is process with that id |
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| 18:36.46 | Becca | Bwahah! Got it, thanks everyone |
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| 18:37.08 | rednecktek | On my system, openswan is using kernel modules instead of the openswan modules (like I need). Is there a way to change this without recompiling? |
| 18:37.14 | S4nD3r_ | How do I install .deb file??? |
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| 18:37.59 | Putiikki | dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 18:38.11 | Putiikki | hey, nice :) |
| 18:38.15 | Amarande | ouch, that's gotta hurt |
| 18:38.16 | Amarande | heh |
| 18:38.40 | Amarande | well, time to test my sarge disc, I guess |
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| 18:38.52 | Amarande | i guess i'll be back whenever i get irc set up again. :> |
| 18:38.53 | Amarande | heh |
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| 18:41.46 | alus | hm, somehow I got into a situation where I don't have lsmod |
| 18:41.58 | greycat | alus: /sbin/lsmod, then. |
| 18:42.12 | alus | not there |
| 18:42.26 | greycat | alus: apt-get --reinstall install modutils |
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| 18:43.10 | obsmav | has any body gotten samba to work with firestarter ? |
| 18:43.17 | alus | yeah can't, eth0 is down, that's why I tried to lsmod |
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| 18:43.31 | daxxar | How should I add a disk-controller (not for / or /boot) module to be autoloaded on boot? =) |
| 18:44.18 | asterix_de | how do i install firefox |
| 18:44.28 | obsmav | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.32 | Empty | asterix_de, apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 18:44.36 | jethro | asterix_de: man apt-get, man apt-cache |
| 18:44.36 | alus | yeah, no modprobe, no lsmod, no ethernet |
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| 18:44.51 | simonm | Which package am I missing when 'gd.h' is not found? |
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| 18:44.57 | Empty | asterix_de, jethro's man suggestions are very good ones |
| 18:45.02 | alus | bad mojo. how can I get out of this one? |
| 18:45.32 | Empty | simonm, libchart-perl maybe? (try apt-cache search) |
| 18:45.36 | asterix_de | hey its working firefox |
| 18:46.16 | Empty | simonm, maybe libgd2 |
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| 18:46.31 | simonm | ok, thank you, Empty; I do not think that this is libchart-perl because I'm trying to compile btmanager, which is written in python |
| 18:46.35 | Empty | simonm, or libgd2-dev |
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| 18:46.39 | asterix_de | does someone hav debian installed on a ibook |
| 18:46.49 | alus | friend of mine does |
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| 18:46.58 | Becca | *L* That didn't take me long to come back.. I went and installed totem because xine is evil.. so instead of having all video, no audio (and stopping before it got to the menu) i now have the ability to play it.. without decent video |
| 18:47.09 | Becca | I get uh.. smears of graytones instead of the real video |
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| 18:47.26 | Empty | Becca, You could try VLC- I like it. |
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| 18:47.58 | Empty | Becca, search for "videolan"... it has nifty streaming/remote control stuff builtin too |
| 18:48.21 | Becca | Well, if possible, I'd rather get totem working, since I've already gone through the trouble of downloading 42 megs of libraries, etc, just to get it to work... |
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| 18:50.06 | alus | critical packages should leave a copy of their .debs in apt/cache if you uninstall them |
| 18:50.29 | Becca | Hhaaha! Fixed it! |
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| 18:50.34 | Becca | It was a setting issue. Thank god... |
| 18:50.35 | greycat | alus: or you could keep backups. |
| 18:50.38 | Becca | Thanks again, everyone |
| 18:50.42 | A-abc | hi guys..i have a question ..how can i find out what type of filesystem i have on /dev/hda1? |
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| 18:50.48 | alus | too late for that ;) |
| 18:50.48 | greycat | file - < /dev/hda1 |
| 18:50.58 | greycat | alus: packages.debian.org or /msg dpkg sdn |
| 18:51.20 | alus | well it's getting it to the machine at this point that is the issue |
| 18:51.25 | mrhemlock | A-abc, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 18:51.26 | alus | I had to burn a cd with modutils on it |
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| 18:51.52 | Kzimm | i still canmange to delete the older file of a directory perhaps with find -exec but i still not find |
| 18:51.53 | alus | what's the name of the generic gui login that's not xdm? |
| 18:52.00 | abrotman | xdm |
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| 18:52.13 | abrotman | pdm/kdm/gdm/wdm ? |
| 18:52.18 | greycat | xdm is the standard one. |
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| 18:52.36 | alus | I uninstalled xdm and there's a cheesier looking one in it's place |
| 18:52.41 | alus | I'd like the standard text login |
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| 18:52.53 | Mefdahl | ctrl-f1? |
| 18:52.56 | Mefdahl | heh |
| 18:52.57 | abrotman | cheesier ? |
| 18:52.57 | romeoxbm | hello ya |
| 18:53.13 | Lee__ | alus: you should try my christina agulliera GDM theme! |
| 18:53.13 | alus | abrotman: like craft macaroni |
| 18:53.18 | abrotman | kraft |
| 18:53.19 | jethro | must be kdm then since k stands for käse |
| 18:53.29 | abrotman | not kute ? |
| 18:53.37 | alus | it's not kdm, pdm, or wdm |
| 18:53.38 | Mefdahl | klude? |
| 18:53.41 | Mefdahl | heh |
| 18:53.50 | alus | abrotman: yeah, kraft |
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| 18:54.09 | abrotman | alus: how about you do a `ps aux` and see what's running ? |
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| 18:54.26 | romeoxbm | i need help..can i talk about my problem? |
| 18:54.45 | EvanCarroll | com |
| 18:54.56 | EvanCarroll | wrong computer =/ sry |
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| 18:55.23 | russo | can some1 plz help me with alsa i cant seem to get actual sound out :( |
| 18:55.33 | EvanCarroll | !ask |
| 18:55.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
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| 18:56.18 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 18:56.35 | russo | okay i ran apt-get and i installed ALSA i can show what i get when i type in cat /dev/dsp and i ran alsaconfig too |
| 18:56.39 | solemnwarning | is there a way to make samba run for over a week without screwing up? |
| 18:56.49 | solemnwarning | i cant write to my server |
| 18:56.52 | Empty | solemnwarning, your nick makes me think of a new log level in syslog, somewhere between "WARN' and "ERR" ;) |
| 18:56.56 | alus_ | as I was saying, ps aux truncates most of the process names on the right side of the terminal window |
| 18:57.01 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 18:57.07 | A-abc | i have this error after recompiling the kernel: Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0.0); i've compiled support for ext3; and i don't know what i have done wrong..is there a way i could fix that? |
| 18:57.14 | Empty | alus_, ps waux |
| 18:57.16 | stew | alus_: ps auxw |
| 18:57.25 | Mefdahl | alus_ use just 'ps ax' |
| 18:57.29 | mwilson | Now he's over here. |
| 18:57.30 | stew | alus_: or ps auxwww even |
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| 18:58.22 | alus_ | hey that's weird. there's a /usr/bin/X11/xdm running, but apt-get remove xdm; says it's not installer |
| 18:58.23 | A-abc | how can i build an initrd image in debian? |
| 18:58.25 | alus_ | installed, even |
| 18:58.53 | alus_ | A-abc: mkinitrd? |
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| 18:59.26 | alus_ | so where would this rogue xdm have to be listed to be used as the login interface? |
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| 18:59.51 | androse | Hello. I have installed several libxml packages with dselect, so my PHP4 installation can use them. phpinfo() tells me that PHP was configured with '--with-dom=shared,/usr', and I now have libxml in /usr/include/. The problem : I have restarted apache, but the functions using libxml still don't work. Any ideas ? |
| 19:00.08 | lilo | hmmmm |
| 19:00.11 | Mefdahl | try restarting X or '/init.d/xdm stop' if it was running Im not sure it would of restarted on purge. |
| 19:00.17 | EvanCarroll | alus_: you don't need to build an initrd image if your using 2.6+ just build into the kernel the module for the filesystem, the module for the ata and ide support |
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| 19:00.45 | EvanCarroll | alus_: and the module for ide master/slave |
| 19:01.02 | alus_ | EvanCarroll: I was just trying to help A-abc |
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| 19:01.22 | EvanCarroll | ah well s/alus_s/A-abc/ |
| 19:01.36 | alus_ | g, not doubt |
| 19:01.55 | alus_ | no, even |
| 19:02.02 | alus_ | so how can I hunt down this xdm problem? |
| 19:02.04 | EvanCarroll | androse: are you using dom or sax? |
| 19:02.14 | androse | EvanCarroll: DOM |
| 19:02.33 | russo | can someone plz help me i just installed ALSA but im not getting sound |
| 19:02.42 | sussudio | !plz |
| 19:02.42 | dpkg | plz is, like, german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 19:02.43 | EvanCarroll | androse: and your using php4? |
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| 19:02.57 | EvanCarroll | !ask |
| 19:02.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 19:02.59 | EvanCarroll | !thanks |
| 19:02.59 | androse | EvanCarroll: yes. |
| 19:02.59 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: my pleasure |
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| 19:03.27 | EvanCarroll | androse: the *only* module you need then is php4domxml |
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| 19:03.34 | EvanCarroll | androse: the *only* module you need then is php4-domxml |
| 19:03.38 | russo | itss not i just checked |
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| 19:03.52 | androse | EvanCarroll: oh. I see. Should I remove libxml* then ? |
| 19:04.00 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 19:04.01 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 19:04.10 | jetscreamer | 2.6 |
| 19:04.36 | EvanCarroll | russo: dd bs=1024 count=5 if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/dsp |
| 19:04.45 | russo | ? |
| 19:04.48 | russo | what was that |
| 19:04.50 | A-abc | EvanCarroll: the first time i compiled the kernel i did it without support for ata; but my second time, i did that..and still no result; it was necessary to run make clean..or something like that between 2 make-kpkg buildpackage? |
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| 19:05.23 | EvanCarroll | androse: no otherwise you might very well remove an xml package listed as a dependcy of another package -- bad things could happen |
| 19:05.53 | EvanCarroll | androse: in which case dpkg would remove the rdepends of the xml package your removing |
| 19:06.14 | androse | EvanCarroll: ok, I won't touch them. Thanks a million ! |
| 19:06.36 | Mefdahl | A-abc are you using make-kpkg when you make your kernel? |
| 19:06.53 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: make clean is always a good idea, as it can never hurt, i would try again with it |
| 19:07.19 | Mefdahl | 'cause that make your initrd for you... |
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| 19:07.33 | Mefdahl | but I get away with pretty "stock" kernels myself. |
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| 19:07.55 | russo | jetscrreamer: THANK YOU! i'm getting sound now :))))) |
| 19:07.56 | EvanCarroll | A-abc: to builld a kernel in you /usr/src directory type make clean, then run make menuconfig/xconfig/gconfig/config, then 'make modules_install install' |
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| 19:08.23 | A-abc | EvanCarroll : so, no make-kpkg from now on? |
| 19:08.49 | russo | if anyone cares to know the ALSA driver defaults to digital but my speakers are analog |
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| 19:09.20 | LSorensen | A-abc: make-kpkg is the nice proper way to do it. keep doing it if you like things organized |
| 19:09.23 | EvanCarroll | ive never used that, it sounds like a 2.4 legacy arguement - there are a few arguements in make that no one really uses anymore, bzImage for one =/ |
| 19:09.48 | xam | russo: I think all speakers are analogue in one way or another |
| 19:09.53 | mwilson | How do you figure that no one uses bzImage any more? |
| 19:09.56 | LSorensen | EvanCarroll: make-kpkg is the DEBIAN way to do kernel builds |
| 19:10.09 | Mefdahl | nod |
| 19:10.17 | LSorensen | mwilson: some people believe make install is a smart things to do. It isn't |
| 19:10.18 | Mefdahl | and it is slick |
| 19:10.21 | EvanCarroll | mwilson: because a simple 'make' does it for you |
| 19:10.28 | mwilson | LSorensen: I know this. |
| 19:10.47 | russo | thank y'alls |
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| 19:11.42 | Marticus | is there a quick and easy howto for creating a debian package from any software tarball? |
| 19:11.54 | greycat | Marticus: no. /msg dpkg mg |
| 19:11.56 | EvanCarroll | man alien |
| 19:12.03 | EvanCarroll | err |
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| 19:12.35 | FieldySnuts | @lart gpdf for being the slowest pdf viewer in history |
| 19:12.42 | FieldySnuts | .. |
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| 19:13.19 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: It *is* a Gnome application, after all. |
| 19:13.25 | FieldySnuts | i'll say. |
| 19:13.55 | FieldySnuts | I generally don't have a problem with gnome other than what you've mentioned (the completely retarded file open/save dialogs), and gpdf |
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| 19:14.04 | greycat | and esd. |
| 19:14.09 | philstar | is it possible to keep packages of both kernel versions (2.4 and 2.6), and keep them updated? |
| 19:14.12 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah. i hate that fscker, chmod 0000 or delete it |
| 19:14.16 | steve_k | hey all... my thinkpad has built in bluetooth and when i activate it with a keyboard combination, the bluetooth module loads and all is well. I am wondering if there is a way to prevent the bluetooth module from loading short of removing it from the kernel config? I want vmware to grab the bluetooth device rather than linux |
| 19:14.17 | FieldySnuts | not a fan out sound daemons at *all* |
| 19:14.22 | philstar | FieldySnuts: but the file dialogs have changed since gnome 2.6 |
| 19:14.24 | Mefdahl | I get along with esd OK... |
| 19:14.33 | FieldySnuts | esd also has a habbit of not dying off after you log out too |
| 19:14.34 | mwilson | philstar: For the worse. |
| 19:14.39 | FieldySnuts | yeah, for the worse |
| 19:14.44 | FieldySnuts | </rant> |
| 19:15.22 | FieldySnuts | oh, little addition. when esd doesn't die off when you log out, sometimes even dropping to single user mode doesn't kill it. i'm thinking you have to try to make an app be that retarded. |
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| 19:16.13 | greycat | it's not surprising that dropping to run level 1 would have no effect. |
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| 19:16.19 | Mefdahl | On my desktop where I run esd, I'm always in X, so I guess to its credit I've never wanted to stop esd. |
| 19:16.48 | philstar | any thoughts on my kernel-version question? |
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| 19:17.34 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Wow... I'd not bothered with it in a while. Gpdf really IS slow. |
| 19:17.49 | Marticus | thanks |
| 19:17.50 | mrhemlock | philstar, sarge runs 2.4/2.6 just fine, woody doesnt have 2.6 yet |
| 19:18.05 | Marticus | it's been a while since I looked at maintguide |
| 19:18.06 | mwilson | mrhemlock: Ever, you mean. |
| 19:18.13 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: open a pdf, hit best fit. stretch the window by a corner, be prepared to kill -9 it |
| 19:18.34 | Marticus | I think it was potato, or the one before |
| 19:18.41 | FieldySnuts | this is the pdf I used, though it does it to me on any http://www.olympusamerica.com/e1/zuiko_roadmap_eng.pdf |
| 19:18.45 | jetscreamer | there is no yet |
| 19:18.55 | FieldySnuts | anyway, i'm done with my urinate on gpdf rant |
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| 19:19.19 | mwilson | It's amazing that they could take xpdf, which works, and fsck it up this badly. |
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| 19:19.54 | FieldySnuts | xpdf is fast all around. bit of a klunky interface but I care more about it working. only thing it doesn't do is encrypted pdf's, which i'm not gonna bother with anyway |
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| 19:20.36 | hutze | FieldySnuts, gpdf is fast enough for anything =>600 Mhz :p |
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| 19:21.09 | mwilson | hutze: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 19:21.38 | philstar | thanx mrhemlock I'll try and install both and see what happens |
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| 19:23.05 | ohmy | Does anyone know how to find my host name if I forgot it? |
| 19:23.21 | simonm | ohmy: hostname |
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| 19:23.30 | ohmy | really.. |
| 19:23.39 | hutze | FieldySnuts, that pdf works fine here, slow though, but no freeze or crash. |
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| 19:24.08 | ohmy | hmm, that was to easy:) ok |
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| 19:24.34 | FieldySnuts | <hutze> FieldySnuts, gpdf is fast enough for anything =>600 Mhz :p hehe I think this thing is 400 if i'm lucky |
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| 19:24.57 | FieldySnuts | 500 I lied |
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| 19:25.04 | hutze | FieldySnuts, well 600 was a little low. >1GHz would come closer |
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| 19:25.17 | ohmy | If I want to login remotely to a host does anyone know how? |
| 19:25.20 | greycat | why would you need a gigahertz worth of x86 CPU to read a friggin' PDF file? |
| 19:25.20 | FieldySnuts | could be. i'm just a whiny bitch, too |
| 19:25.31 | spowers | can anyone reccomend one of lufs or shfs? which has the best performance? |
| 19:25.35 | ohmy | syntax wise |
| 19:25.41 | greycat | ohmy: man ssh |
| 19:25.49 | ohmy | k |
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| 19:25.57 | jetscreamer | shfs functions, i use it, but i can't compare.. seems peppy |
| 19:26.02 | Billionaire | Hi all |
| 19:26.05 | FieldySnuts | ohmy: for a shell (command line), or file transfer (ftp, sftp, scp, rsync), or GUI (raw x11 if you must, x11 over ssh better, vnc a lot better but lossy)? |
| 19:26.23 | hutze | the pdfviewer from kde 3.4 is supposed to be great, it can copy and paste even. |
| 19:26.42 | stew | paste into a pdfviewer? |
| 19:26.44 | FieldySnuts | true, kde's pdf viewer is quite nice. too bad kde is such megabloat |
| 19:26.45 | jetscreamer | hutze you just described xpdf i think |
| 19:26.47 | mwilson | It's taken KDE until 3.4 to be able to do that? xpdf has been doing that for years. |
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| 19:27.01 | jetscreamer | ah confirmation |
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| 19:27.23 | b12arr0 | Any idea why a 2.6.8-2-686 kernel will work but a 2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel will panic on a dual proc system? |
| 19:27.26 | spowers | jetscreamer: well, at least it functions, i guess i'll go with that |
| 19:27.28 | hutze | whine more |
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| 19:27.41 | grendal_prime | ok im going crazy with this |
| 19:27.49 | Kzimm | i want a very simple thing the get a mail when my hdd is gettin 95% full :/ |
| 19:27.51 | grendal_prime | i have some packages i cannot do anything with |
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| 19:27.58 | Kzimm | any idea ? |
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| 19:28.12 | lilo | okay, cool, everything starting August 5, 2004 pretty much is going toward this year |
| 19:28.14 | grendal_prime | cannot upgrade, cannot remove, it has something to do with them not getting configured?? |
| 19:28.16 | Miguelzinho | I was figuring out how gdm works, here is the result: http://img68.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img68&image=gdm5gx.png |
| 19:28.21 | lilo | oops, wrong channel |
| 19:28.24 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 19:28.27 | Miguelzinho | did I missed something? |
| 19:28.33 | grendal_prime | how using apt-get can i just yank them out |
| 19:28.43 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:29.10 | jetscreamer | you might need to finish up the installation before you can take them out |
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| 19:29.32 | b-_-d | Can I use fonts that end in .fon? If so how? |
| 19:29.38 | hutze | can i whine a little about debian? all my browsers freeze when they are supposed to show the file-save dialog. |
| 19:29.39 | grendal_prime | jetscreamer, ive tried that |
| 19:29.46 | lonewolff|laptop | hmm why when trying to do a netinstall would the installed say no installable kernel was found on some machines? |
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| 19:30.02 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime, did you ever get them installed? |
| 19:30.09 | reaper_ | my mouse only moves vertically under X, and one of the buttons makes the cursor move right.. would i be able to correct movement with xmodmap? |
| 19:30.11 | grendal_prime | no just errors... |
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| 19:30.45 | grendal_prime | they were installed at one time...the upgrade screwed them i think...i dont know exactly what happened |
| 19:30.50 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime, one way i found usually works is /msg dpkg fix-unmet then you could take them out.. works for me. |
| 19:30.52 | b-_-d | thanks |
| 19:30.53 | grendal_prime | now i just want them offf the system |
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| 19:31.15 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.15 | uraclea_laptop | Is anyone here running sarge on a latop with userspace and powernowd for throttling |
| 19:32.17 | jetscreamer | reaper_, you might find something to help at http://xfree.org/current/ maybe |
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| 19:33.33 | xainam | exit |
| 19:33.42 | reaper_ | ok. |
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| 19:35.08 | jetscreamer | where does debconf keep it's defaults for the conffiles it manages |
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| 19:35.43 | ohmy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.54 | jak | ohmy: yes |
| 19:35.56 | jetscreamer | i use ssh host |
| 19:36.12 | jetscreamer | not the .com, dunno if both work |
| 19:36.13 | grendal_prime | this is getting nowhere and slowly |
| 19:36.14 | ohmy | I always thought it was root@IP |
| 19:36.20 | grendal_prime | im getting the same errors |
| 19:36.24 | grendal_prime | it makes no sense |
| 19:36.26 | jetscreamer | if you want to log in as root |
| 19:36.28 | jak | ohmy: the name simply points to an ip |
| 19:36.39 | beeblebrox87 | ssh host or ssh IP |
| 19:36.41 | beeblebrox87 | same thing |
| 19:36.42 | caphuso | jetscreamer: depends on what search lines you have in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:36.45 | jetscreamer | if you want to log in as $user just that though |
| 19:36.48 | ohmy | so It could be user@IP too |
| 19:36.49 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:36.50 | zmo|cleaning | ohmy - that's just an alias ssh user@host or ssh -l user host |
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| 19:36.50 | grendal_prime | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:36.51 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.51 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.51 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.51 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.55 | beeblebrox87 | no need for an @, if you want to log in as $user do -l $user |
| 19:37.00 | jetscreamer | lol webmin |
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| 19:37.21 | grendal_prime | ive never had a problem like this using apt |
| 19:37.24 | ohmy | been trying to login with debian to a suse host,., |
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| 19:37.50 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime, ok now to do the stuff ppl say don't do eh... dpkg --force-help ... |
| 19:38.01 | ohmy | I am trying to figure how to make suse a server by command |
| 19:38.16 | caphuso | ssh nameofsusebox commandtorun |
| 19:38.27 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 19:39.06 | RichiH | could anyone using kde try http://www.planetnintendo.com/secretofmana/soundtrack.html and see if it increases cpu load? |
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| 19:40.31 | ohmy | caphuso, I do that command from remote box ? without having to set suse as a server in anyway? |
| 19:40.38 | otje | I have enabled x forwarding in my sshd server and in my ssh client, but it still doesn't work; what do I need to configure more? |
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| 19:40.44 | caphuso | ohmy: huh? |
| 19:41.04 | asterix_de | does someone hav a ibook debian |
| 19:41.09 | Seb | anyone can recoomaned a console newsreader that can handle several news servers at the same time ? |
| 19:41.10 | ohmy | ssh nameofsusebox commandtorun ?? I do this from remote box |
| 19:41.12 | Seb | recoomend |
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| 19:41.17 | Seb | recommend, dammit |
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| 19:41.30 | ohmy | ok |
| 19:41.32 | caphuso | Seb: use leafnode |
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| 19:41.49 | Seb | caphuso: I was afraid someone'd say that :) |
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| 19:42.03 | ohmy | but I thougth like in knopix you have to set a command first to make a host open to revieve any logins first |
| 19:42.05 | caphuso | ohmy: you can do that on any box except the suse one |
| 19:42.10 | liquide | anyone have a solution for this problem? http://pastebin.com/247480 |
| 19:42.12 | przemasc | hello, anyone knows a diff-like utility aware of renamed/moved files ? |
| 19:42.22 | caphuso | ohmy: well, you could do it on the suse box too, but that'd be brainfucked, wouldn't it? |
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| 19:42.33 | philstar | why is there no package mplayer? |
| 19:42.34 | ohmy | ok |
| 19:42.44 | ohmy | just do it ..ic |
| 19:42.45 | beeblebrox87 | philstar: legal issues |
| 19:42.45 | greycat | philstar: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:42.59 | abrotman | liquide: did you contact the maintainer yet? |
| 19:43.01 | Seb | liquide: touch /etc/asterisk ? |
| 19:43.11 | ohmy | caphuso, thanks:) willtry |
| 19:43.12 | abrotman | or try creating that dir ? |
| 19:43.27 | philstar | thanks beeblebrox87 greycat |
| 19:43.42 | Seb | liquide: abrotman might have a point, maybe mkdir rather than touch |
| 19:44.00 | liquide | i have created the directory, and i have contacted the maintainers, but it turned out that it worked fine on another machine,so i got them to close the case |
| 19:44.07 | peto | i'm solving the problem with my ps/2 mouse not working with kernel 2.6 and i realized, that it's not even detected. but my touchpad works fine. have you any idea, what to do? it looks like ps/2 port and touchpad are conflicting, i see that when i do "cat /dev/psaux" |
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| 19:44.26 | Peto77 | sorry :) |
| 19:44.34 | abrotman | liquide: or actually read the BTS ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=297012 |
| 19:44.54 | liquide | thats mine |
| 19:45.33 | abrotman | liquide: oh .. gotcha. . why did you let him close it ? |
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| 19:45.54 | ircdevil | what is the debian way to install extra styles for lyx ? |
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| 19:45.58 | sander_ | hi |
| 19:46.03 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime, you saw dpkg --force-help eh.. you could get rid of it with one of those --force-all or whatever's |
| 19:46.03 | liquide | because it worked fine on another machien i tested on, so i figured it was a problemwith the machine i tried on first |
| 19:46.09 | sander_ | I need a little help to install a serial mouse |
| 19:46.15 | abrotman | liquide: not the normal response |
| 19:46.17 | sander_ | I dont know how to do that |
| 19:46.35 | ohmy | caphuso, do I replace the nameofsusebox with its IP if I am on net instead of router? |
| 19:46.46 | greycat | sander_: plug it into the serial port, and configure X to use /dev/ttyS* |
| 19:46.50 | caphuso | ohmy: uhm |
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| 19:47.10 | sander_ | only greycat |
| 19:47.10 | ohmy | you see i gave a simple name as host name |
| 19:47.15 | greycat | ohmy: man hosts |
| 19:47.18 | caphuso | ohmy: care to rephrase that question so that it at least looks like it's trying to make some sense? |
| 19:47.28 | ohmy | ok |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | liquide: can you check the post-inst script ? |
| 19:47.37 | sander_ | Should I use xf86cfg -textmode ?? greycat |
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| 19:48.00 | Peto77 | come on folks, don't tell me you won't help :( |
| 19:48.01 | Sebischn | hi |
| 19:48.07 | liquide | abrotman sweet, isolved it now.. i purged asterisk-config, and did apt-get install asterisk-config, then apt-get install asterisk... before not even asterisk-config worked :) |
| 19:48.09 | ohmy | For security reason I should rename host if its name is too simple? |
| 19:48.11 | liquide | so it works fine now |
| 19:48.34 | abrotman | liquide: i was just going to suggest that :) |
| 19:48.42 | beeblebrox87 | ohmy: how on earth would that improve security? |
| 19:48.43 | caphuso | ohmy: no, you should shut it off |
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| 19:48.58 | ohmy | :) |
| 19:49.15 | Sebischn | I just reinstalled my debian sarge system and it's lagging very hard ,if I'm performing bigger tasks, like installing packetes, burning a cd and so on... On my last install I dind't had this problem :( |
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| 19:49.31 | ohmy | ok, it was a stupid question,,,sorry..:) |
| 19:49.43 | caphuso | !sorry |
| 19:49.43 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
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| 19:49.50 | caphuso | damn |
| 19:50.27 | caphuso | what was wrong with the "don't be sorry, just don't do it" one? |
| 19:50.36 | ohmy | I have business that needs to be logged in remotley all day long..that is why I need to know:) |
| 19:50.50 | xam | !never mind |
| 19:50.50 | dpkg | Well, I did want to understand, but it's up to you. |
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| 19:50.54 | caphuso | ohmy: first step: hire someone with a clue |
| 19:50.59 | greycat | ohmy: what on EARTH does the hostname have to do with security? |
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| 19:51.15 | ohmy | nothing |
| 19:51.23 | greycat | (Other than "if the box is named darkstar, it's probably an easy target") |
| 19:51.29 | beeblebrox87 | ohmy: then why did you ask? |
| 19:51.36 | xam | greycat: well, if you hostname is something like "dare-to-hack-me" ... |
| 19:51.38 | ohmy | I just thought if 9000 boxes out there are named box it would be confusing |
| 19:51.48 | beeblebrox87 | greycat: correlation does not imply causation |
| 19:51.58 | greycat | beeblebrox87: I didn't say it did. |
| 19:52.18 | beeblebrox87 | well it was implied. but yeah. |
| 19:52.32 | greycat | no, the only thing I implied was that Slackware is a piece of shit. |
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| 19:53.07 | ohmy | thats why i needed to know syntax of a command to login remotely via a WAN |
| 19:53.13 | greycat | ohmy: man ssh |
| 19:53.19 | grendal_prime | jetscreamer no that did nothing sorry i had to get coffee |
| 19:53.23 | ohmy | ok |
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| 19:53.38 | jetscreamer | no way |
| 19:53.42 | ohmy | and thanks:) soryy for bad question too.. |
| 19:53.45 | asterix_de | how can i install on debian mysql |
| 19:53.50 | jetscreamer | i understand the need for coffee though |
| 19:53.51 | asterix_de | and php |
| 19:53.55 | beeblebrox87 | ohmy: what sort of WAN? |
| 19:54.01 | ohmy | yes, coffe |
| 19:54.03 | slak- | on 2.6.x source do i need to do make mrproper |
| 19:54.05 | slak- | before make |
| 19:54.07 | slak- | and make dep |
| 19:54.07 | ohmy | yes, coffee |
| 19:54.09 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:54.16 | jetscreamer | no mrproper needed |
| 19:54.20 | grendal_prime | sorry jetscreamer i thought you wanted me to msg dpkg i understand now |
| 19:54.22 | slak- | make dep before make? |
| 19:54.22 | philstar | what's command line mp3/ogg player is available for debian? |
| 19:54.23 | greycat | slak-: if you have to ask this, you should just use a Debian kernel image. |
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| 19:54.26 | beeblebrox87 | slak-: also no dep needed. |
| 19:54.28 | dafresh | hi, anyone here use logcheck ? because it send me 1 mail / hour and i ve try to find the job in the crontab but nothing about it ... |
| 19:54.31 | slak- | ok |
| 19:54.31 | greycat | philstar: ogg123, mpg321, mp3blaster |
| 19:54.33 | slak- | thanks |
| 19:54.34 | stew | slak-: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 19:54.39 | slak- | greycat, im not on a debian box atm |
| 19:54.43 | slak- | stew ^ |
| 19:54.43 | greycat | !smite slak- |
| 19:54.45 | slak- | kthx |
| 19:54.49 | mwilson | dafresh: Uh, since that's what it's supposed to do, exactly what is the problem? |
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| 19:54.53 | zahod | philstar, cplay |
| 19:55.26 | dafresh | mwilson: i would like that it send me only one or two mail / day |
| 19:55.36 | asterix_de | can someone giv a advice with mysql and php instalation |
| 19:55.37 | zbowling | shhh.. quiet.. java installer script I wrote for ubuntu/debian... http://www.polystimulus.com/java-install-ubuntu.sh |
| 19:55.39 | philstar | hmm, and for wma? |
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| 19:55.47 | zahod | er, not really command line when I think about it, but it's a nice TUI |
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| 19:56.02 | Mefdahl | dafresh: Check /etc/cron* |
| 19:56.10 | greycat | zbowling: um. |
| 19:56.18 | Mefdahl | my logcheck is in /etc/cron.daily |
| 19:56.20 | elux | is there a list of supported hardware in debian? im trying to find if ata raid 2410SA is supported |
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| 19:56.23 | E-D | hello all |
| 19:56.23 | dafresh | Mefdahl: i ve already do that |
| 19:56.30 | zbowling | greycat: what is it? |
| 19:56.34 | bucky | asterix_de, uncomment mysql in php.ini |
| 19:56.37 | greycat | !install java |
| 19:56.37 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. |
| 19:56.45 | philstar | mwilson: talking about file selection dialogues, have you noted the "docking" ability of the new gnome one? |
| 19:56.52 | stew | zbowling: is there something about your method which is better than the method in /topic? |
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| 19:56.58 | E-D | in debian sarge after I'm install the basic system from the CD, when the grub is load I got: Error 18 |
| 19:57.02 | E-D | why it's happend? |
| 19:57.03 | mwilson | philstar: "docking" ability? |
| 19:57.13 | grendal_prime | this is rediculas.. |
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| 19:57.36 | zbowling | stew: this is an installer of sun's java 1.5.01 and intergrates itself into firefox |
| 19:57.41 | dafresh | Mefdahl: that is only one thing about logcheck in /etc/cron* : |
| 19:57.49 | greycat | zbowling: so it uses java-package? |
| 19:57.54 | Mr_You | anyone tried latest Progeny RC? |
| 19:58.01 | dafresh | 1 * * * * logcheck if [ -x /usr/sbin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 /usr/sbin/logcheck; fi |
| 19:58.10 | burd | I am trying to make a Fat32 partition which will be able to read/write from win2k and debian. I used mkdosfs and windows shows the file system but it does not show the proper partition size.. (says it is the size of the entire disk) is there something I shoul dhave done to make this work differently? |
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| 19:58.14 | sussudio | Mr_You: please die |
| 19:58.21 | philstar | mwilson you ready for a demonstration? (i.e. gnome app handy?) |
| 19:58.24 | Mr_You | suss: scuse you? |
| 19:58.26 | greycat | sussudio: he will. but it might take a long time. |
| 19:58.35 | mwilson | philstar: Do you have a point? |
| 19:58.51 | philstar | do you want to know or remain ignorant? |
| 19:58.52 | Mefdahl | dafresh that is. |
| 19:58.53 | doneill | oh how i've missed the generous, loving embrace of #debian. |
| 19:58.55 | zbowling | greycat: no.. java doesn't allow anyone to download without surfing their site and then going through some manual install methods... this just does it all for you :-) |
| 19:59.01 | Mefdahl | man cron to get the syntax changed. |
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| 19:59.12 | sussudio | Mr_You: this isn't #progeny, is it? |
| 19:59.18 | greycat | zbowling: if it doesn't uses java-package then you've got some improving to do. |
| 19:59.23 | mwilson | I'm interested in your telling me what you're talking about. A demonstration is not necessary. |
| 19:59.28 | sussudio | is there even a #progeny on here? |
| 19:59.38 | greycat | sussudio: not visible, at least. |
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| 19:59.39 | doneill | zbowling, i have an apt entry for blackdown, anyway |
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| 19:59.43 | Mr_You | sussudio: relax |
| 19:59.48 | dafresh | Mefdahl: but logckeck dont send me 1 mail / min !? |
| 19:59.49 | sussudio | /list doesn't show anything |
| 19:59.50 | bucky | Mr_You, some guys in #knoppix are using it |
| 20:00.00 | abrotman | why not |
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| 20:00.12 | Mr_You | thanks |
| 20:00.29 | sussudio | isn't progeny something you pay for and in turn get support for? |
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| 20:00.43 | doneill | it's the winex of debian. |
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| 20:00.52 | zbowling | greycat: no. I'm source builder and I use ubuntu (migrated from debian since debian is just taking to make sarge stable and I need my xorg and gnome >2.9 |
| 20:00.56 | doneill | or whatever transexual gaming is calling it now |
| 20:01.09 | greycat | zbowling: then we can't endorse your method. |
| 20:01.16 | bucky | you can apt-get all of progeny's "modular" components |
| 20:01.16 | Mefdahl | make sure you checking the crontab for the user that actually sends the message? |
| 20:01.16 | Mr_You | FYI, Progeny is working on "Componentized Linux". |
| 20:01.21 | greycat | zbowling: java-package builds a .deb which is already integrated into mozilla-firefox and so on. |
| 20:01.25 | Mefdahl | as a guess. |
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| 20:01.32 | dafresh | Mefdahl: shit sry ... |
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| 20:01.42 | mwilson | Why in the world would you need Gnome > 2.9? Isn't 2.8 bad enough? |
| 20:01.50 | zbowling | greycat: not really for endorsing, just a time saver and it takes the pain out.. |
| 20:01.53 | greycat | mwilson: too bad you can't install gnome 1.4 on sarge. |
| 20:01.56 | doneill | hehe |
| 20:02.14 | dafresh | Mefdahl: i dont know why i always have probleme to remember the crontab columns ... |
| 20:02.23 | greycat | zbowling: no, it doesn't. You've gone BACKWARDS. If you took your auto-download-the-tarball code and added the java-package code to build the .deb, it might be worthwhile. |
| 20:02.24 | zbowling | mwilson: i do work on gnome itself.. i source build 1/2 of it and the other parts are provided in debs in ubuntu |
| 20:02.33 | doneill | gnome rocks. anything that makes a keyboard useless is pro. visual basic, baby. |
| 20:02.48 | doneill | hell, gnome 2.9 makes your entire desktop useless. |
| 20:02.52 | mwilson | zbowling: Oh, you're one of the idiots responsible for this cr*a. |
| 20:03.04 | zbowling | mwilson: blah.. fud fud fud |
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| 20:03.36 | sussudio | cr*a? |
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| 20:04.20 | mwilson | zbowling: I've seen it. I've tried to use it. It's crap. |
| 20:04.44 | zbowling | mwilson: well what do you use in replacement of gnome? kde? |
| 20:04.53 | greycat | a clue. |
| 20:04.54 | jetscreamer | 2.6 uses ipchains or iptables... i forget which is which |
| 20:05.00 | mwilson | zbowling: Thank you, no. <shudder> |
| 20:05.02 | greycat | jetscreamer: that would be iptables. |
| 20:05.06 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 20:05.11 | greycat | ipchains was 2.2. |
| 20:05.15 | greycat | ipfwadm was 2.0. |
| 20:05.19 | doneill | metisse+fvwm for me |
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| 20:05.33 | zbowling | mwilson: so you don't use a desktop in linux? or do you use some old and outdated wm? |
| 20:05.48 | jetscreamer | zbowling, you like the tiger i see |
| 20:06.01 | jetscreamer | but history is good |
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| 20:06.20 | abrotman | zbowling: there are more than two desktops in linux |
| 20:06.31 | shingokii | Can anyone tell me why using a device linked to my usb mouse with udev, as the mouse device in XF86Config wouldn't work? |
| 20:06.39 | abrotman | bad luck! |
| 20:07.25 | doneill | shingokii, are you sure you're operating on the correct input device? |
| 20:07.28 | mwilson | zbowling: No, actually I use a standards-compliant window manager. What does the window manager have to do with it? As a supposed Gnome developer, I'd have expected that you knew the difference. |
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| 20:07.34 | trueno | Is there a way to backup a complete NTFS partition? I would like to know if there is a way to make a bit-exact backup, just in case I had to restore it. I have done it with dd and linux partitions, but don't know if it could ... |
| 20:07.34 | trueno | be done with NTFS and how to -in that case- restore the data on the disk (NTFS poor write support under Linux). Under Win, no idea of how to make it. |
| 20:07.35 | zbowling | abrotman: well yeah, but I'm talking about ones that are used by 80% or more of the linux community.. |
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| 20:07.50 | abrotman | zbowling: i'm not sure 80% is a valid figure .. but whatever |
| 20:07.51 | doneill | shingokii, iirc, the debian xfree86 preconfig generates two pointer entries in the configuration file |
| 20:07.56 | mwilson | abrotman: He means KDE. |
| 20:08.04 | jetscreamer | trueno, man ntfsprogs, ntfsclone, ntfsfix... |
| 20:08.05 | hutze | why do all my browsers on a fresh debian sarge freeze when they are supposed to show the file-save dialog? |
| 20:08.06 | abrotman | kde sucks .. why would anyone use it ? |
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| 20:08.17 | mwilson | abrotman: It appeals to the average moron. |
| 20:08.17 | jetscreamer | ntfsclone supposedly has no known bugs |
| 20:08.18 | grendal_prime | ok im really confused now |
| 20:08.23 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 20:08.24 | Ronin | same reason we all use sucky wms, they like it |
| 20:08.26 | grendal_prime | i cant get --force to work for anything |
| 20:08.27 | abrotman | mwilson: i'm a special moron :) |
| 20:08.36 | suman | is there a gui based tool using which i can see the installed debian packages |
| 20:08.37 | suman | ? |
| 20:08.38 | stew | abrotman: above average moron? |
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| 20:08.51 | trueno | jetscreamer: Thanks :-) |
| 20:08.53 | doneill | suman, i suggest synaptic |
| 20:08.53 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime, it's --force-blah ... ie, --force-all, --force-somethingelse... |
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| 20:08.56 | grendal_prime | suman, synaptic..its the same thing as |
| 20:09.01 | grendal_prime | susy's yast |
| 20:09.07 | doneill | grendal_prime, no way? really? |
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| 20:09.20 | jetscreamer | i just get all sloppy and use --force-all |
| 20:09.23 | doneill | haven't touched suse in long enough. |
| 20:09.27 | abrotman | stew: around average :) |
| 20:09.27 | grendal_prime | doneill, ya...ive used both...mostly synaptic... |
| 20:09.32 | cg0def | how can I move my desktop install to a laptop? can't hoop up the laptop hdd to the desktop :( |
| 20:09.37 | grendal_prime | we are testing susy vs deb right now |
| 20:09.51 | jetscreamer | cg0def, hook it up on a lan and cp -a ? |
| 20:09.54 | grendal_prime | and to be honest with this problem with packages...im starting to get frustrated with debian |
| 20:09.55 | greycat | grendal_prime: it's not spelled "susy", sheesh. |
| 20:09.59 | suman | doneill: thx |
| 20:10.00 | cg0def | if I coppy all the files over and recreate the bootloader would that work |
| 20:10.02 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 20:10.02 | mwilson | abrotman: KDE's philospohy is that it's crap, but they bury it in fu-fu stuff so you don't notice while you're creating the latest 'leet screenshot. Gnome's philosophy is that it's crap, but if you notice they tell you that they know better than you how you should be using your computer, and obviously you need to adapt to "their way". |
| 20:10.03 | abrotman | susee :) |
| 20:10.07 | tweekken | I like Openbox3.X with rox-filer |
| 20:10.08 | grendal_prime | suse |
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| 20:10.14 | shingokii | doneill - yup if I cat the device, I get characters when I move the mouse |
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| 20:10.25 | jetscreamer | grendal_prime, --force-all |
| 20:10.34 | shingokii | doneill - but if I use that device, my mouse pointer just flickers around and clicks stuff when I move the mouse |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | mwilson: dunno .. i'm ok with gnome .. but i feel just at home with blackbox .. but yes .. the fu-fu in kde has got to go... |
| 20:10.58 | doneill | shingokii, ah, what protocol do you have it set to in your config? |
| 20:11.11 | grendal_prime | jetscreamer, sooo.... like this dpkg --force-remove myfkduppackage |
| 20:11.13 | grendal_prime | ?? |
| 20:11.18 | zbowling | the wm choice in WM does really mater to me. I just hate fud. The general linux community primarly uses Gnome or KDE on their desktop and the majority of desktop are built with QT or GTK+... I'm a developer for gnome but I don't really care if people don't use, its not going to hurt my feelings :-) |
| 20:11.23 | shingokii | doneill - ImPS/2. It's an intellimouse USB |
| 20:11.24 | jetscreamer | eh... you need -r or something |
| 20:11.30 | jetscreamer | and make it --force-all |
| 20:11.33 | doneill | shingokii, is gpm running? |
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| 20:11.42 | jetscreamer | lemme man |
| 20:11.46 | shingokii | doneill - it works using /dev/input/mice, but not /dev/input/intellimouse, whichis the one I set up in udev |
| 20:11.49 | jeaneid | anyone has an example how to turn a fixed-width file into csv file in perl, awk, or sed |
| 20:11.51 | shingokii | doneill - lemme check |
| 20:11.52 | abrotman | zbowling: would you like us to hurt your feelings? :) |
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| 20:12.05 | zbowling | sorry, my engrish is bad today. |
| 20:12.08 | shingokii | doneill - I don't think so, I have no mouse on console |
| 20:12.12 | mwilson | jeaneid: You know, people really aren't here to do your homework for you. |
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| 20:12.23 | doneill | hmm, odd. |
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| 20:12.33 | jeaneid | nwilson: i you do not know shut up |
| 20:12.37 | doneill | any note of it on a quick google? |
| 20:12.50 | greycat | zbowling: there is no "general linux community". There are newbies, experts, and everything in between. Newbies tend to use GNOME or KDE. Experts tend to use console or a lightweight window manager. |
| 20:12.58 | doneill | 'intellimouse xfree86 spastic' or something |
| 20:13.00 | stego | Why is udev "broken and shit"? |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | :eat IE |
| 20:13.08 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:13.11 | jetscreamer | dpkg -r -P --force-all package <--i think |
| 20:13.12 | abrotman | resiak: damn you! |
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| 20:13.45 | lizsac | that's a crazy summary of window manager use |
| 20:13.57 | shingokii | doneill - nope can't find anything on google, and its odd because it works fine using /dev/input/mice |
| 20:13.59 | lizsac | hell i would say experts don't use window managers |
| 20:14.02 | grendal_prime | still get errors |
| 20:14.02 | greycat | lizsac: it's FAR more accurate than the crap zbowling is spewing. |
| 20:14.04 | jetscreamer | not name_of_.deb, but packagename |
| 20:14.06 | suman | how can i allow root to open a display window in X? |
| 20:14.09 | grendal_prime | crazy shit |
| 20:14.13 | greycat | suman: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 20:14.13 | doneill | shingokii, well... then why aren't you using that? |
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| 20:14.19 | jetscreamer | suman, kdm or gdm? edit the conf |
| 20:14.26 | grendal_prime | /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-core.postinst: line 4: |
| 20:14.34 | doneill | suman, 'xauth +' |
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| 20:14.37 | greycat | WEBMIN?? Hahahahaha |
| 20:14.39 | greycat | !pal grendal_prime |
| 20:14.39 | shingokii | doneill - because it is broken, and has been forever, and will be forever ;) it pulls in my wacom tablet, and then the tablet doesn't work |
| 20:14.49 | doneill | err wait |
| 20:14.49 | jetscreamer | edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-core.postinst |
| 20:14.50 | grendal_prime | trying to get rid of it |
| 20:14.50 | jetscreamer | and fix it |
| 20:14.54 | karelia | hello people |
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| 20:15.02 | jetscreamer | line 4 |
| 20:15.04 | greycat | postinst is not "trying to get rid of it". |
| 20:15.24 | jetscreamer | yeah but it's a borked pkg and he wants to get rid of it |
| 20:15.26 | shingokii | doneill - so I need to use the specific mouse device for my mouse, and the tablet device for my tablet, so I'm trying to set up udev to keep them in the same place - /dev/input/intellimouse and /dev/input/tablet |
| 20:15.33 | mwilson | udev wouldn't be so broken if it didn't try to do things it had no business doing. If it were a simple dynamic name daemon, it'd actually be useful. |
| 20:15.35 | shingokii | doneill - then I can use those devices |
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| 20:15.52 | shingokii | mwilson - well that is all I'm trying to get it to do :( |
| 20:15.53 | doneill | wow, my brain died today, i simply can't remember the command |
| 20:15.57 | zbowling | greycat: thats not true. that is big generalization. we have found that egotists and picky people use alternative WM managers. there are a need for light weight WM in some cases however, but I can only justify a use of them for people doing embedded development... |
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| 20:16.07 | doneill | i've done it a million times, too... |
| 20:16.12 | greycat | zbowling: hahahaha |
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| 20:16.15 | greycat | you're funny. |
| 20:16.27 | shingokii | I might go back and try to find out how to fix the thing where the wacom gets dragged into mice, but then I would still need to use udev for the tablet |
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| 20:16.32 | mwilson | greycat: He's been listening to WauWau. |
| 20:16.46 | shingokii | because the mouse and tablet can get swapped round, then my X config is broken |
| 20:16.54 | jetscreamer | you could just remove udev and make the nodes/devices for the tablet |
| 20:16.57 | greycat | the funniest part is where he calls other people "egotists". |
| 20:17.04 | doneill | shingokii, doesn't it create individual devices? sorry, i don't use udev, so i'm not familiar. |
| 20:17.13 | abrotman | greycat: people who study egos! |
| 20:17.28 | hutze | zbowling, thats the same generalization |
| 20:17.36 | shingokii | jetscreamer - the tablet and the mouse both go into mouseX and eventX, but they can go either way round... so udev is exactly what I want, to get the devices always in the same place |
| 20:17.38 | jetscreamer | egomaniacalmaniac |
| 20:17.40 | zbowling | hutze: yeah.. oh well sue me |
| 20:17.41 | abrotman | shingokii: so if you put your finger on the tablet .. the mouse moves ? |
| 20:17.41 | shingokii | anyway I think udev is working |
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| 20:17.50 | doneill | zbowling, i use fvwm or, on my other system, xfce, simple because it starts faster and consumes less memory and cpu |
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| 20:18.04 | doneill | i'm one of the 'few' users who actually uses the cpu/memory for more important tasks |
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| 20:18.07 | shingokii | abrotman - well it's meant to do that, but if you use the tablet as main mouse, it no longer works as a tablet |
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| 20:18.10 | doneill | compiling, for instance. |
| 20:18.10 | jetscreamer | i know nothing except i got sidetracked from iptables |
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| 20:18.17 | shingokii | abrotman - it loses pressure feedback |
| 20:18.18 | abrotman | doneill: sometimes i wish i had more important tasks .. but i don't :) |
| 20:18.20 | hutze | zbowling, why should i sue a gnome developer, id rather says thx for developing :) |
| 20:18.22 | zbowling | doneill: i did for the same reason but i gave up a long time |
| 20:18.28 | zbowling | hehe |
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| 20:18.35 | doneill | yeah, it's a matter of where your priorities are |
| 20:18.47 | doneill | ironically i run metisse 3d desktop, and hammer the hell out of my videocard |
| 20:18.54 | doneill | but at least it isn't chewing away system resources |
| 20:18.55 | shingokii | but uh, the thing is, AFAIK udev is making the right links - I can see data from mouse on the mouse link, and from tablet on the tablet link |
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| 20:18.58 | abrotman | doneill: but how much memory does your main system have? |
| 20:19.04 | doneill | abrotman, 512MB |
| 20:19.08 | shingokii | the thing is that X isn't happy with the mouse data it gets |
| 20:19.22 | abrotman | doneill: yeah .. i have more than that .. and it probably mostly goes unused .. oh well |
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| 20:19.35 | doneill | shingokii, if you can rig GPM to speak to it properly, you /could/ use gpmdata? maybe? or maybe not, damn udev.. |
| 20:19.52 | doneill | abrotman, well compare a 512MB ram system with a walmart flyer |
| 20:19.55 | zbowling | http://monodevelop.zacbowling.com/screenshot-gnome-is-pretty.png :-) |
| 20:19.57 | doneill | it's about the average i think |
| 20:20.11 | R1ck | any ideas why sshd is having trouble resolving my IP address, when I can resolve it fine from the cli after logging in? |
| 20:20.16 | greycat | doneill: no way. Walmart is selling XP laptops with 128 MB. |
| 20:20.19 | mwilson | Your average Gnome application is so craptastic, why would you want to use 'em? And if you're not going to waste your time with Gnome applications, whyinhell have the rest of the crap running? |
| 20:20.21 | abrotman | doneill: the flyer weighs less! |
| 20:20.25 | doneill | in my case, this system was pretty heri kiri when i got it, athlon xp 2400, heatsink/fan the size of a quarter pounder w/chees |
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| 20:20.37 | shingokii | doneill - I don't want to touch gpm with a bargepole, it seems to be the cause of many problems in itself ;) |
| 20:20.42 | Yaroon | Small question: Debian's Apache doesn't seem to come with ServerName set anywhere it seems? |
| 20:20.44 | jono | anyone here run the debian stand at expos in the uk? |
| 20:20.45 | jetscreamer | !gpm |
| 20:20.45 | dpkg | hmm... gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 20:20.51 | greycat | Yaroon: so set it. |
| 20:20.58 | doneill | alright, well i mean, it's not a little system really, and still i max my cpu out and swap out on a regular basis |
| 20:20.58 | abrotman | zbowling: you have 4 desktops/viewports for a reason .. use them |
| 20:20.59 | Yaroon | Yeah, but why no default, it just struck me a bit. |
| 20:21.00 | greycat | Yaroon: grep -r ServerName /etc/apache |
| 20:21.10 | mwilson | Yaroon: Or, actually pay attention to what it tells you when it installs. |
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| 20:21.13 | shingokii | I tried protocol intellimouse, doesn't work |
| 20:21.14 | abrotman | and you run crap as root .. bad zbowling .. bad! |
| 20:21.15 | xenoduck | Last weekend when no one was idling here, I tried to revert my root partition from ext3 to ext2. I removed the journal with tune2fs, updated /etc/fstab, ran mkinitrd, and rebooted. It broke five different ways each time I did it. What's the correct way to do this without having to fix my system afterwards? |
| 20:21.17 | abrotman | !punish zbowling |
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| 20:21.21 | Yaroon | greycat: It's apache2 actually. |
| 20:21.28 | doneill | i have the gecko family or konq to choose from, and either one chews away cpu like mad. i've almost entirely migrated to dillo |
| 20:21.30 | greycat | !pal Yaroon |
| 20:21.40 | shingokii | peterS - hi you there? apparently you know everything :) |
| 20:21.42 | zbowling | abrotman: i'm not running as root? ooh you mean my console? hehe. i have to build :-) |
| 20:21.42 | valdyn_ | xenoduck: just mount your harddisk as ext2 |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | zbowling: but how is anjuta for C# ? |
| 20:21.47 | stew | xenoduck: /msg dpkg ext3->ext2 |
| 20:21.47 | greycat | !tell shingokii about ask |
| 20:21.48 | jetscreamer | lol sorry peterS |
| 20:21.52 | abrotman | who needs root to build ? |
| 20:22.07 | xenoduck | stew: "I removed the journal with tune2fs..." |
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| 20:22.18 | doneill | anjuta is the hotness (if you get a version without major bugs :D) |
| 20:22.19 | zbowling | abrotman: haven't tried it. I work on MonoDevelop helping tberman out over there with that... |
| 20:22.21 | greycat | abrotman: apparently GNOME developers. |
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| 20:22.28 | abrotman | greycat: heh |
| 20:22.29 | jetscreamer | i like gedit |
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| 20:22.33 | zbowling | mwilson: i work on gtksourceview so I know its interals very well |
| 20:22.34 | abrotman | zbowling: well try it! |
| 20:22.37 | abrotman | jeez ... |
| 20:22.40 | Yaroon | mwilson: it doesn't mention anything about ServerName upon install. Just that it couldn't determine the server's fully qualified domain name. |
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| 20:22.42 | xenoduck | Two of the five times it got past "cramfs: wrong magic" and reported that no journal was found. Well, no duh, I removed it, so I don't know why it was looking for it. |
| 20:22.46 | schuler | hi |
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| 20:22.54 | abrotman | !cut abrotman's hair |
| 20:22.56 | shingokii | greycat - I'm just asking because someone said he might know, and I thought ho might have client set to beep when his name is said ;) |
| 20:23.10 | zbowling | !beer all |
| 20:23.13 | jetscreamer | the factoidsaid |
| 20:23.25 | abrotman | fucking snow snow snow! |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | i'm moving to norway ... |
| 20:23.32 | doneill | xenoduck, i hate to be the fifth to ask, but why are you reverting it? |
| 20:23.46 | zbowling | !weather 75080 |
| 20:23.49 | dpkg | I can't find station code "75080" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | screw off |
| 20:23.59 | cyzie | No Info |
| 20:24.06 | xenoduck | doneill: Data security. Don't want any nasty journalsies lying around, and I need securely deleting files to actually be sure to work. |
| 20:24.17 | jetscreamer | lsmod lists loaded modules? |
| 20:24.33 | doneill | xenoduck, alrighty. the easy way is to just update your fstab |
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| 20:24.45 | doneill | those tune2fs deals aren't really necessary. |
| 20:24.54 | jetscreamer | that's a zipcode, 75080? |
| 20:25.16 | valdyn_ | xenoduck: did you remove the journal - then mount as ext3 - repeat ? |
| 20:25.20 | doneill | fsck.ext3 may still run, due to the fs identification, but there won't be a journal due to init mounting it as ext2. |
| 20:25.30 | doneill | well, the journal will be empty, anyway. |
| 20:25.31 | valdyn_ | xenoduck: would not surprise me if that did not work to well, but uh, no idea |
| 20:25.31 | xenoduck | doneill: I did that. Rebooted, and it either reported "no journal found", or it "couldn't find root partition at ide3(0,1)", and one time lilo even report 99 99 99 over and over. |
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| 20:25.52 | doneill | that's a little insane... :? |
| 20:25.56 | jetscreamer | cramfs loads initrd |
| 20:26.03 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 20:26.05 | solarwinds | Hello all, I would like to build web site , But I am looking for a good application for that, any recommdation ??? |
| 20:26.07 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 20:26.11 | doneill | lilo impresses me with how stupid it can be sometimes |
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| 20:26.16 | ricky_clarkson | solarwinds: vim |
| 20:26.17 | valdyn_ | solarwinds: vim |
| 20:26.17 | jetscreamer | lilo is your god |
| 20:26.23 | doneill | lilo is 80s trash |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn_ | !win ricky_clarkson |
| 20:26.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, ricky_clarkson! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 20:26.32 | jetscreamer | lilo > grub |
| 20:26.37 | stew | doneill: 80s trash is in |
| 20:26.40 | xenoduck | Each time I fixed it with something different. I fixed the lilo thing by booting with tomsrtbt, chroot'ing to the Deb partition, then re-running lilo. |
| 20:26.45 | jetscreamer | retro baby |
| 20:26.45 | ricky_clarkson | lilo > *.staff |
| 20:26.46 | solarwinds | valdyn_, I am looking for fast appliaction... |
| 20:26.57 | xenoduck | I guess maybe I should wait until the final Debian installer comes outa nd just reinstall my system to get rid of lilo, huuhu. |
| 20:26.57 | valdyn_ | solarwinds: vim is very fast |
| 20:27.07 | zbowling | !weather DFW |
| 20:27.09 | ricky_clarkson | vim is faster than the average gedit. |
| 20:27.09 | dpkg | I can't find station code "DFW" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
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| 20:27.19 | cyzie | No Info |
| 20:27.22 | doneill | ehh... vim loads a boatload of syntax highlighting crap and indentation rules though... |
| 20:27.27 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: A pencil is faster than the average gedit. |
| 20:27.27 | shingokii | doneill - hm, I'm coming to conclusion it is something wrong with USB itself, I seem to be losing devices |
| 20:27.31 | doneill | you may want to hit your rc and trim that down.. |
| 20:27.33 | schuler | but vim is broken in sid |
| 20:27.39 | solarwinds | valdyn_, I mean something like openoffice... |
| 20:27.39 | shingokii | doneill - maybe I have a dodgy hub or something. Thanks for help anyway |
| 20:27.41 | ricky_clarkson | doneill: Hey, get off me. |
| 20:27.44 | doneill | shingokii, gpm would at least ensure the mouse works properly :P |
| 20:27.44 | mwilson | schuler: Except that it's not, of course. |
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| 20:27.49 | valdyn_ | solarwinds: bluefish, mozilla composer, nvue, emacs, xemacs, vim, quanta |
| 20:27.50 | ricky_clarkson | schuler: So install an older version. |
| 20:27.53 | xam | !weather 03955 |
| 20:27.55 | dpkg | I can't find station code "03955" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:27.57 | shingokii | gedit is hideous with large files |
| 20:27.58 | slak- | hey i connected a firewire drive, i think it loaded the correct modules |
| 20:28.01 | doneill | shingokii, but good luck anyway |
| 20:28.02 | shingokii | kwrite is pretty fast |
| 20:28.04 | slak- | how do i initilize it now |
| 20:28.05 | ricky_clarkson | xam: /msg dpkg weather 03955 |
| 20:28.09 | shingokii | doneill - thanks :) |
| 20:28.10 | cyzie | No Info |
| 20:28.18 | doneill | ricky_clarkson, nah i use vim exclusively |
| 20:28.24 | ricky_clarkson | !weather is cyzie a bot? |
| 20:28.24 | R1ck | any ideas why sshd is having trouble resolving my IP address, when I can resolve it fine from the cli after logging in? |
| 20:28.26 | dpkg | I can't find station code "IS CYZIE A BOT?" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:28.27 | zbowling | !weather KDFW |
| 20:28.29 | shingokii | I wish gedit wasn't so slow, it takes a few minutes to load in files of a say 20-30 MB |
| 20:28.30 | dpkg | Dallas / Fort Worth, Dallas / Fort Worth International Airport, TX, United States; (KDFW) 32-53-49N 097-01-19W 174M; last updated: 2005.02.28 1853 UTC; Dew Point: 27.0 F (-2.8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.04 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 32%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 55.9 F (13.3 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 5 ... |
| 20:28.34 | doneill | i just trim out all the Lisp, Java, etc. junk, i never code in any of them :/ |
| 20:28.36 | zbowling | muhaha |
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| 20:28.41 | cyzie | No Info |
| 20:28.48 | cyzie | No Info |
| 20:28.54 | ricky_clarkson | !ops cyzie is a bot that replies publically to !weather $1 |
| 20:28.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: cyzie is a bot that replies publically to !weather $1 |
| 20:28.57 | schuler | how can i install an older version of vim when i just upgraded to sid |
| 20:29.10 | cyzie | No Info |
| 20:29.11 | jetscreamer | gedit does kinda bite on an 18meg file |
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| 20:29.14 | grendal_prime | ok im ready to explode |
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| 20:29.18 | grendal_prime | nothing works with this |
| 20:29.23 | lei | ola |
| 20:29.25 | doneill | grenadel_prime |
| 20:29.28 | grendal_prime | is there anyway to manyally just delete these files |
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| 20:29.59 | doneill | rm? |
| 20:30.11 | ricky_clarkson | schuler: add testing sources, apt-get upgrade, apt-get remove vim, apt-get install vim=whatever.version.you.want |
| 20:30.27 | ricky_clarkson | You might want to --purge, not just remove. |
| 20:30.35 | grendal_prime | i tried that |
| 20:30.45 | ricky_clarkson | grendal_prime: What files? |
| 20:30.49 | mwilson | schuler: What makes you think vim is broken in unstable? |
| 20:31.02 | grendal_prime | stupidass webmin files |
| 20:31.02 | shingokii | gnome seems to have a thing about crappy performance in basic apps |
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| 20:31.18 | shingokii | but then in general it is really nice, just needs some love :) |
| 20:31.29 | ricky_clarkson | grendal_prime: What files, specifically? |
| 20:31.41 | zbowling | !weather kstx |
| 20:31.44 | dpkg | I can't find station code "KSTX" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:31.47 | jetscreamer | webmin ricky |
| 20:31.48 | solarwinds | thank, |
| 20:31.48 | blackout | i have a very basic imap question - if i were to set up an imap server, would clients that connect to it be able to create new folders, move messages around, etc ON THE SERVER from the client machines? |
| 20:31.53 | doneill | !weather KLO |
| 20:31.55 | dpkg | I can't find station code "KLO" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 20:31.59 | doneill | burned. |
| 20:32.02 | jetscreamer | it didn't install and he wants to take it out |
| 20:32.05 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 20:32.06 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 20:32.08 | mwilson | !weather knzy |
| 20:32.08 | ricky_clarkson | /msg the damn bots you CUNTS! |
| 20:32.11 | dpkg | San Diego, North Island, Naval Air Station, CA, United States; (KNZY) 32-41-27N 117-12-32W 14M; last updated: 2005.02.28 1855 UTC; Dew Point: 51.1 F (10.6 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 69%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 61.0 F (16.1 C); Visibility: 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) |
| 20:32.19 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 20:32.19 | schuler | ricky_clarkson: when i do apt-get upgrade, do i lose the sid xserver? |
| 20:32.20 | slak- | fucking old heaters |
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| 20:32.29 | zbowling | slak-: then get out of euro |
| 20:32.30 | mwilson | I'll have to remember that's there. |
| 20:32.33 | ricky_clarkson | schuler: You don't apt-get upgrade. |
| 20:32.38 | slak- | im in USA |
| 20:32.40 | slak- | ;) |
| 20:32.43 | jetscreamer | i've never had 220 go through me, just 110 |
| 20:32.45 | zbowling | slak-: ahh in a colo? |
| 20:32.49 | grendal_prime | the problem is there looking for config files that are not there |
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| 20:33.01 | jetscreamer | touch them grendal |
| 20:33.01 | grendal_prime | scripts for removing the packages that are not there |
| 20:33.05 | slak- | ive had 220 zap me plenty of times when i was a child in Moscow, RU |
| 20:33.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:33.08 | slak- | and now just now |
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| 20:33.10 | slak- | in USA |
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| 20:33.17 | slak- | 220 from my office heater i tried to disable |
| 20:33.20 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd $1 is <reply>$1, you might want to read this book: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 20:33.21 | dpkg | A book you might like to study, $1 is <reply>$1, you might want to read this book: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 20:33.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-all blah.deb grendal, then remove them |
| 20:33.25 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 20:33.26 | schuler | grendal_prime> scripts for removing the packages that are not there |
| 20:33.26 | schuler | <jetscreamer> |
| 20:33.40 | schuler | grendal_prime: thanks |
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| 20:33.48 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd schuler |
| 20:33.49 | dpkg | A book you might like to study, schuler: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
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| 20:34.17 | fusero_ppc | somebody from helsinki here? |
| 20:34.26 | grendal_prime | jetscreamer, ive tried that soo many times now |
| 20:34.45 | grendal_prime | i dont have the deb's here.. |
| 20:34.47 | zbowling | slak-: i got AC and DC in my colo now.. three lines.. a 110v AC, 220v AC, and adjustable DC |
| 20:34.50 | jetscreamer | yes you do |
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| 20:34.56 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.02 | grendal_prime | no...i dont...that has been cleard |
| 20:35.08 | jetscreamer | heh... |
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| 20:35.38 | DarKnesS_WolF | question plzz i`m installing Debian testing sarge official snapshot ... it`s comes with kernel-2.4 ? only ? |
| 20:35.41 | jetscreamer | i know i could force them out. you can too. might break everything else, but it can_be_done |
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| 20:35.42 | R1ck | does anybody know what steps sshd takes to try and resolve an IP address? or how to find that out? |
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| 20:35.48 | PerfDave | DarKnesS_WolF: Read the Installation Manual. |
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| 20:35.56 | jetscreamer | DarKnesS_WolF, you specify linux2.6 on boot of cd |
| 20:36.07 | jetscreamer | DarKnesS_WolF, hit f1 f2 f3 ... |
| 20:36.18 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Noooo, get people to read the IM! |
| 20:36.20 | grendal_prime | i have to downloas all of these...and install them one at a time..and then remove them...what a fkn mess |
| 20:36.22 | ricky_clarkson | R1ck: man resolv.conf |
| 20:36.29 | DarKnesS_WolF | jetscreamer: thank u i`ll try that |
| 20:36.31 | abrotman | jetscreamer: linux26 iirc |
| 20:36.31 | R1ck | smartass |
| 20:36.38 | R1ck | my dns is configured fine |
| 20:36.52 | abrotman | maybe the internet is broken ? |
| 20:36.54 | ricky_clarkson | R1ck: Well that's what steps sshd takes, afaik. |
| 20:36.55 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 20:37.00 | jetscreamer | yeah linux26 |
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| 20:37.10 | archpollux | hello |
| 20:37.16 | PerfDave | !tell jetscreamer about spoonfeeding |
| 20:37.18 | R1ck | as I said before, when I look up the address after logging in it returns the address immediately |
| 20:37.22 | jetscreamer | why are you using a hostname with ssh? it says use IP |
| 20:37.26 | archpollux | if the kernel doesn't contain netfilter support, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ doesn't appear, right? |
| 20:37.32 | doneill | no direct answers allowed in #debian |
| 20:37.34 | dondelelcaro | R1ck: man resolv.conf and man resolver; lists the calls that sshd makes to resolve the name. |
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| 20:37.45 | jetscreamer | errr nm worng conf |
| 20:37.47 | doneill | it will abstruct the trolling reputation of the regulars and higher administration. |
| 20:37.48 | R1ck | jetscreamer: what are you talking about |
| 20:37.58 | doneill | obstruct too. |
| 20:38.00 | P8ntKid-wantfood | Hola |
| 20:38.00 | ricky_clarkson | doneill: They're allowed at 5pm, but nobody knows what timezone that's in. |
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| 20:38.02 | R1ck | dondelelcaro: hmmmkay.. thanks |
| 20:38.03 | jetscreamer | R1ck, i was talkihng about hosts.allow sorry |
| 20:38.16 | doneill | ricky_clarkson, quaoar probably. |
| 20:38.27 | doneill | 5pm for 4 months, every 12 years |
| 20:38.31 | ricky_clarkson | doneill: Do you have a question? |
| 20:38.39 | doneill | negative |
| 20:38.43 | doneill | i have answers to spoonfeed |
| 20:38.46 | ricky_clarkson | So you're a troll. |
| 20:38.52 | doneill | no, i'm helping those in need |
| 20:38.57 | ricky_clarkson | No, you're moaning. |
| 20:39.01 | doneill | you're trolling |
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| 20:39.07 | thenuke | does someone know how to get logitech serial mouse working properly in X? I changed protcol PS2 to logitech and it now moves even but does not work properly at all |
| 20:39.08 | ricky_clarkson | Ok. |
| 20:39.09 | dondelelcaro | ricky_clarkson, doneill: take this elsewhere, please. |
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| 20:39.24 | doneill | thenuke, does it act spastic? |
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| 20:39.53 | doneill | thenuke, also, is it an InPort mouse, or whatever it is called |
| 20:40.14 | jetscreamer | http://xfree.org/current/ |
| 20:40.37 | ricky_clarkson | doneill: Check your invite. |
| 20:40.43 | doneill | ricky_clarkson, i did, thanks. |
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| 20:41.20 | thenuke | doneill: define word spastic =) |
| 20:41.35 | thenuke | doneill: it moves now, but to different directions where I want to :) |
| 20:41.38 | jetscreamer | !dict spastic |
| 20:41.44 | doneill | thenuke, well, you haven't really described the behaviour... |
| 20:41.57 | jetscreamer | thenuke, did you look at that link? |
| 20:41.59 | doneill | thenuke, is your mouse upsidedown? dow do you mean? |
| 20:42.04 | dondelelcaro | thenuke: if it moves but doesn't move properly, you probably are using gpm and aren't using the right mouse device. |
| 20:42.21 | shingokii | doneill - it is udev that is broken somehow, or the way I'm using it. The normal mouseX and eventX links work for mouse and tablet, the ones made by udev don't |
| 20:42.26 | thenuke | doneill: no it does not go upside down either |
| 20:42.49 | Souza10 | Canon BCJ-240, Does anybody have any idea which filter I have to run? I tried ifhp and Canon-BJC-240-bj200.ppd and didn't work. as I am a newbie with printers, I am not sure if I did it correctly. |
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| 20:43.05 | thenuke | pointer just goes here and there when mouse is moved in any directio, no sense in its movements I mean |
| 20:43.10 | jetscreamer | ded you look around linuxprinting.org? |
| 20:43.17 | Souza10 | yes |
| 20:43.21 | shingokii | thenuke - I had that too, with a different mouse ;) |
| 20:43.34 | shingokii | thenuke - maybe try different protocols? |
| 20:44.17 | thenuke | shingokii: PS2 did not work at all, logitech protocol works a bit more, what else protocols there are :-) |
| 20:44.17 | Souza10 | jetscreamer: there I found the ppd file. how do I need to use it? just put if=file.ppd into printcap? |
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| 20:44.35 | hutze | is a debian installation with chroot and debootstrap supposed to be as reliable as a ordinary one ? |
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| 20:44.37 | shingokii | thenuke - I think there is "auto", no idea if it works ;) |
| 20:44.44 | doneill | Souza10, what print server software are you using, cups? |
| 20:44.44 | thenuke | auto did not work :( |
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| 20:44.58 | drp | anyone use an mx510 (mouse) with debian ... just wondering where If I could get drivers for this |
| 20:44.59 | thenuke | driver "mouse" I wonder if I could change that? |
| 20:45.01 | galgen_ | how do you upload a dir with ncftp? |
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| 20:45.04 | shingokii | thenuke - sorry no idea, I had the same problem |
| 20:45.04 | Souza10 | doneill: No, I am studing lprng |
| 20:45.25 | shingokii | thenuke - have you tried rexonfiguring the x server and checking the list? |
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| 20:45.41 | thenuke | shingokii: nnope, I shall do that |
| 20:45.41 | doneill | thenuke, i think that's just ImPS2 |
| 20:45.52 | thenuke | doneill: right, I try that next |
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| 20:46.01 | shingokii | ImPS/2 I think |
| 20:46.08 | shingokii | i think there is a slash in it ;) |
| 20:46.23 | bucky | !ee |
| 20:46.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, ee is for gEEks |
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| 20:47.14 | thenuke | ImPS/2 does not work at all. |
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| 20:48.04 | Souza10 | Does anybody could help me with my BJC-240 into LPRng server? |
| 20:48.21 | hutze | !dpkg debootstrap |
| 20:48.21 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. Also ask me about <chroot install> |
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| 20:48.32 | hutze | !dpkg chroot install |
| 20:48.32 | dpkg | chroot install is probably http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
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| 20:48.59 | thenuke | whoa it works now :) with microsoft protocol, thank you for your help |
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| 20:49.10 | moshii | The motherboard in my laptop has just been replaced, now the realtek 8139 controller on it does want to detect anything connected to it, anyone else had this problem? |
| 20:49.22 | moshii | s/does/doesn't :( |
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| 20:52.00 | doneill | thenuke, score, wtg. |
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| 20:54.14 | jhb | I am missing some files in my python2.3 after an upgrade. Example: /usr/lib/python2.3/profile.py. Was there before my last apt-get upgrade. It's not in the python2.3_2.3.5-1_i386.deb. Was it moved, or is it a bug? |
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| 20:54.52 | jetscreamer | Souza10, no idea. |
| 20:54.55 | lei | are there any nonymous filesharing programs for linux ? |
| 20:55.13 | jetscreamer | there is no giFT or bittorrent or mldonkey lei |
| 20:55.29 | grendal_prime | it worked...i removed them all...and it just yanked them with a force |
| 20:55.34 | sussudio | lei: you are not anonymous on teh intarweb. |
| 20:55.34 | lei | not for linux? |
| 20:55.35 | jetscreamer | told ya |
| 20:55.40 | grendal_prime | bitchslaped them |
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| 20:55.59 | grendal_prime | no man i mauannly remed the files |
| 20:56.04 | jetscreamer | lei, in otherwords, YES there are |
| 20:56.04 | lei | there are some anonymous ones but only for win |
| 20:56.08 | grendal_prime | reemed...rm.. |
| 20:56.13 | lei | what are the names? |
| 20:56.21 | bucky | lei, how do you know they're anonymous ? |
| 20:56.21 | PerfDave | lei: There are no anonymous filesharing applications for Windows. |
| 20:56.30 | jetscreamer | i have no idea, nor do i know what a scrollbar is, nor /lastlog |
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| 20:56.34 | sunrise | hi folks |
| 20:56.34 | grendal_prime | well there is.... |
| 20:56.39 | lei | i read the documentation and looked at the sourcecode |
| 20:56.49 | sunrise | anybody get mailman working with exim4 on testing? |
| 20:56.54 | jetscreamer | it still gives out your ip unless you spoof it |
| 20:56.55 | lei | like i2p, freenet, mute |
| 20:57.05 | leonel | Sargeeeeee Where are you ? |
| 20:57.05 | grendal_prime | i mean..there is....come_and_install_1bazillion_viruses_on_MY_computer |
| 20:57.06 | PerfDave | sunrise: Yes. Read /usr/share/doc/mailman |
| 20:57.06 | sunrise | I think the mailman lists are not visable by exim4 for me |
| 20:57.15 | grendal_prime | there is that php app |
| 20:57.21 | bucky | lei, aren't those closed source? |
| 20:57.22 | LSorensen | jhs_team: could be a bug. not sure. It certainy used to be in python2.3 package |
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| 20:57.25 | grendal_prime | its a common one actually.. |
| 20:57.26 | lei | no |
| 20:57.27 | sunrise | PerfDave, and I can test which are visable by exim4 |
| 20:57.30 | LSorensen | jhs_team: did you check bts? |
| 20:57.30 | PerfDave | bucky: Freenet isn't. |
| 20:57.32 | lei | all open source |
| 20:57.33 | stew | jhb: do you hvae python2.3-profiler installed? |
| 20:57.33 | bucky | ic |
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| 20:57.41 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 20:57.41 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:57.45 | lei | freenet is java |
| 20:57.45 | sunrise | PerfDave, exim4 -bt <list> does not work as described :( |
| 20:57.48 | PerfDave | lei: Have you tried looking for these applications in Linux? |
| 20:57.49 | lei | you can read every line |
| 20:57.58 | lei | i am new to linux |
| 20:58.03 | sunrise | PerfDave, do you installed exim4-*-heavy ? |
| 20:58.03 | jetscreamer | !info gift-ui |
| 20:58.04 | lei | there are no packages |
| 20:58.06 | PerfDave | !faq lei |
| 20:58.07 | dpkg | lei: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:58.11 | PerfDave | !tell lei -about search |
| 20:58.13 | jetscreamer | !info giftui |
| 20:58.16 | dpkg | giftui: (Graphical user interface to giFT using GTK+2), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.4.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 20:58.17 | lei | don't know how to install anything that doesn't have a package |
| 20:58.26 | jetscreamer | !lart lei |
| 20:58.40 | bucky | lei, your traffic is logged everywhere on the internet starting with your isp |
| 20:58.42 | lei | i installed tor yesterday for anonymous webbrowsing |
| 20:58.58 | lei | it is great, works like i2p but has lots more users so it is more anonymous |
| 20:59.03 | PerfDave | lei: You can't browse the web anonymously eitehr. |
| 20:59.14 | LSorensen | jhs_team: check package python2.3-profiler: |
| 20:59.31 | lei | bucky: no |
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| 20:59.36 | LSorensen | er jhb |
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| 20:59.45 | jhb | stew: no |
| 20:59.47 | lei | PerfDave: yes you can |
| 20:59.50 | LSorensen | jhb: I think you may want python2.3-profiler: |
| 21:00.03 | lei | you are not up to date it seems |
| 21:00.10 | bucky | lei, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales has bill gate's backdoor key and it's all logged to ChoicePoint |
| 21:00.11 | jetscreamer | god, clueless isn't s/he |
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| 21:00.27 | stew | this conversation isn't giong to go anywhere productive... |
| 21:00.37 | LSorensen | jhb: which is in non-free for some reason |
| 21:00.38 | PerfDave | stew: Well, I've given lei the information he needs |
| 21:00.39 | Ronin | stew: no but it could be interesting to watch |
| 21:00.42 | jetscreamer | lei. i gave you a list. deal with the list. |
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| 21:00.52 | LSorensen | jhb: might explain why it is no longer in python2.3 main package |
| 21:01.10 | jhb | LSorensen: ok, I give it a try |
| 21:01.58 | schuler | in xfree86-4.3.0 (in sid) i have keyboard problems some keys print different symbols randomly |
| 21:01.58 | lei | PerfDavePerfDave: http://tor.eff.org/index.html |
| 21:02.08 | lei | PerfDave: www.i2p.net |
| 21:02.12 | stew | jhb: refer to #294553 |
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| 21:02.24 | stew | jhb: profile.py was non-free so it was split off |
| 21:02.26 | PerfDave | lei: Which still run over TCP/IP, they are not anonymous services. |
| 21:02.37 | lei | PerfDave: yes they are |
| 21:02.38 | jetscreamer | anybody know how to 'safely' get around the cap/qos that my isp puts on my upstream bandwidth? :) |
| 21:02.42 | jhb | stew: thanks |
| 21:02.52 | PerfDave | lei: You're clearly a fucking moron, and you've already been told what you need to know. |
| 21:02.53 | lei | they are mixes |
| 21:03.04 | lei | node to node and end to end encrypted |
| 21:03.12 | PerfDave | lei: *yawn* |
| 21:03.20 | disasm | jetscreamer: there are ways to tftp a rom to your cable modem, but you risk frying it |
| 21:03.20 | sunrise | PerfDave, do you use /etc/aliases with Exim und Mailman ? or does the mailman <-> Exim interface work for you ? |
| 21:03.38 | PerfDave | sunrise: If you read the Debian-specific mailman documentation, it tells you not to use /etc/aliases. |
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| 21:04.01 | schuler | i configured .xmodmaprc but a part of the keyboard problem remains |
| 21:04.12 | jetscreamer | disasm, i dont think they do it on my modem, i think it's on their side |
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| 21:04.30 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 21:05.04 | Souza10 | Does anybody could help me with my BJC-240 into LPRng server? |
| 21:05.07 | jetscreamer | anyway, not important |
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| 21:05.14 | jhb | LSorensen: thanks - now IPython works again :-) |
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| 21:05.53 | Roey | hello |
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| 21:06.21 | sunrise | PerfDave, which mailman version do you use ? I read all related docs /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian.gz too which does not prohebit to use /etc/aliases ! |
| 21:06.22 | Roey | Kanotix is not Debian! -- that said, are there any pure Sarge live CDs available? Kanotix for Sid, what's there for Sarge? |
| 21:06.36 | disasm | jetscreamer: usually it's controlled at the modem, but I suppose there is a possibility it's on their side, and then I'd say your doing things that could get you in jail fairly easily |
| 21:06.40 | PerfDave | Roey: There are no Debian live CDs, for Sid or Sarge or anything else. |
| 21:06.51 | PerfDave | sunrise: Whichever the version was in Sarge, I'm not using it any more. |
| 21:07.08 | sunrise | PerfDave, which then? |
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| 21:07.13 | A-abc | if i install wine on my machine, it is necesary to have a windows OS installed on a partition? |
| 21:07.15 | Roey | PerfDave: ok |
| 21:07.21 | brejk | :> |
| 21:07.28 | Roey | PerfDave: how about Live CDs based on sarge? |
| 21:07.29 | juhov | A-abc: nope |
| 21:07.29 | LSorensen | A-abc: no, but sometimes it helps. |
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| 21:07.37 | PerfDave | Roey: No idea, they won't be Debian though. |
| 21:07.47 | PerfDave | sunrise: Whichever the version was in Sarge. |
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| 21:08.05 | Pip | lo? |
| 21:08.11 | brejk | Siemano. |
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| 21:08.37 | Pip | Does anyone here have any experiance with installing Fedora?????????????????????????????////// |
| 21:08.50 | Ronin | umm Pip this is a debian channel you do know that right? |
| 21:08.55 | Pip | (Yes i no that ...) |
| 21:08.56 | greycat | dear god. |
| 21:09.00 | Pip | i suck with irc lol |
| 21:09.03 | stew | Pip: #fedora |
| 21:09.06 | calin | ... |
| 21:09.06 | greycat | you, you just suck. |
| 21:09.06 | Pip | i cant get onto nethin else..... |
| 21:09.09 | Pip | lol |
| 21:09.14 | Ronin | Pip: /join #fedora |
| 21:09.15 | Pip | #fedora |
| 21:09.17 | Pip | ops |
| 21:09.26 | greycat | Pip: /part #debian and then /join #fedora |
| 21:09.28 | PerfDave | Pip: Your inability to use #fedora is not a problem with which #debian can or should help you. |
| 21:09.30 | calin | yes |
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| 21:09.40 | Pip | thanks :D |
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| 21:10.04 | Pip | errr, since im running Linspire atm, anyone kno where i can get the instalation tools? |
| 21:10.09 | Roey | PerfDave: ok, thanks |
| 21:10.12 | Pip | Debian instalation tools* |
| 21:10.15 | cafuego | Pip: This is alos not #linspire. |
| 21:10.22 | Pip | lol god dammit |
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| 21:10.38 | Roey | you guys get so ticked off ;) |
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| 21:10.48 | mrhemlock | ut oh |
| 21:10.51 | Roey | what/ |
| 21:10.52 | Roey | I agree with you |
| 21:11.01 | Roey | debian is not kanotix/morphix/etc. |
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| 21:11.10 | cafuego | Roey: Imagine 200 Pips per day, 7 days a week, 365 says per year. |
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| 21:11.19 | Roey | cafuego: you're joking |
| 21:11.23 | Roey | with this thing in the /topic |
| 21:11.25 | cafuego | Roey: No, I'm not. |
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| 21:11.29 | JessicaLi | hi, when i tried to mount a usbdisk, the system reports /dev/sda1 is not a vaild block device, but dmesg the usb device does exist, what's the problem could be? |
| 21:11.30 | greycat | Roey: they never read /topic. |
| 21:11.32 | Roey | one has to be blind to ask anyway |
| 21:11.35 | dondelelcaro | Roey: people who come in here to ask those questions dont' read /topic |
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| 21:11.58 | Roey | but there is a #kanotix, a #knoppix, #morphix, #ubuntu, etc. How do they even know to come here. |
| 21:12.11 | PerfDave | Roey: They're idiots, enough said. |
| 21:12.14 | Ronin | Roey: cause its debian based so naturally they come here |
| 21:12.15 | Roey | wokay. |
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| 21:12.30 | andrownz | can anyone help me about cgis ? i wrote a little cgi #!/bin/sh and if i have a content-type text/plain, the output of "ls -l " for example is line by line like in a shell, and with "content-type: text/html", the output is not backspaced (not return) |
| 21:12.31 | Roey | and honestly I don't see what these projects share with Debian past apt-get. |
| 21:12.46 | Roey | (and a few Debianisms) |
| 21:12.48 | PerfDave | andrownz: That's because it's being parsed as HTML, not as plaintext. |
| 21:12.48 | Roey | (but that's it) |
| 21:12.53 | LSorensen | Roey: many got their packages from debian, and then started modifying |
| 21:12.59 | Roey | oh, ok |
| 21:13.07 | puff | andrownz: You might ant to ask on #web |
| 21:13.08 | andrownz | yeah, but how to use get the right output with text/html ? |
| 21:13.12 | cafuego | Roey: Well, Ubuntu shares meny developers with Debian, can't say for the others. |
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| 21:13.19 | stew | andrownz: wrap the whole thing in <pre> </pre> |
| 21:13.20 | LSorensen | Roey: and use dpkg/apt-get/ and some other useful tools from debian. Many also use debian's layout for /etc and such |
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| 21:13.29 | andrownz | stew: ok i'm trying |
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| 21:13.33 | Roey | cafuego: so what is you guys' attitudes towards Ubuntu? |
| 21:13.38 | Diozaka | hi |
| 21:13.38 | puff | Bah, gotta restart this emacs session, it's sucking up 130MB memory. ciao |
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| 21:13.57 | cafuego | Roey: I use it on the desktop (amd64) - looks nice, works fine. |
| 21:14.04 | Roey | ah. |
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| 21:14.20 | Roey | cafuego: I started mixing in ubuntu's xorg into my Sid box at home. Not fun |
| 21:14.32 | cafuego | Roey: Debian AMD64 isn't official supported yet (and the downlaod site is crap) so I switched over. |
| 21:14.38 | Roey | cafuego: aye. |
| 21:14.42 | cg0def | Roey: ubuntu was giving me huge problems with gamin and other little things that they changed from debian |
| 21:14.45 | Roey | cafuego: wonder how kano did it then (kanotix64) |
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| 21:15.03 | Roldyx1 | hi |
| 21:15.06 | Roey | cg0def: I have a problem with Ubuntu's python2.4 clashing with Sid's |
| 21:15.14 | Diozaka | is there a possibilty to remove a package built with apt-build and replace it with the original precompiled package provided by apt-get? |
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| 21:15.17 | Roldyx1 | cdrdao write --buffers 10 --driver generic-mmc Pelicula00.mpg.cue |
| 21:15.19 | Roey | cg0def: but I guess that's what happens when one mixes distributinos ;) |
| 21:15.24 | cg0def | Roey: yeah that was another problem |
| 21:15.24 | cafuego | Roey: I find dpkg --purge python to be great ;-) |
| 21:15.31 | Roey | cafuego: dah! |
| 21:15.33 | Roldyx1 | ERROR: Writing failed - buffer under run? |
| 21:15.37 | Roldyx1 | ERROR: Writing failed. |
| 21:15.40 | andrownz | stew: nice it's workin, thx =) |
| 21:15.46 | PerfDave | Mixing packages between Debian and Ubuntu is just fucking idiotic, and you deserve everything you get. |
| 21:15.49 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: what drive? |
| 21:15.51 | cg0def | Roey: ubuntu would not install wxpython 2.4 becasue of some messed up dependancy |
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| 21:15.59 | Roey | cg0def: someone who knows his way with shoehorning bits of Ubuntu into Debian is in #debian-kde actually |
| 21:16.06 | Roey | cg0def: same here! |
| 21:16.12 | Roey | cg0def: I'm about ready to try out ubuntu. |
| 21:16.18 | Roey | cg0def: since I compile KDE anyway. |
| 21:16.26 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, /dev/hdc |
| 21:16.28 | cg0def | Roey: plus gnome 2.9 sux big time |
| 21:16.30 | Roey | cafuego: can you do that?? |
| 21:16.34 | Roey | cg0def: ack, gnome. |
| 21:16.35 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 21:16.37 | cafuego | Roey: Seemed to work. |
| 21:16.45 | cafuego | Roey: Sid to Hoary. |
| 21:16.47 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: what brand/model |
| 21:17.03 | Roey | cafuego: but, see, debian probably has many more mirrors than ubuntu |
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| 21:17.18 | PerfDave | The only reason to use Ubuntu taht I can see is that it has a more recent stable release. Everything else about it seems to stink. |
| 21:17.26 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, hdc: CREATIVE CD-RW RW8439E, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 21:17.33 | Roey | PerfDave: in what way does it stink? |
| 21:17.37 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: what is the top speed of it? |
| 21:17.46 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, 8x |
| 21:17.58 | LSorensen | rol then the error message is probably correct |
| 21:18.06 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, why? |
| 21:18.09 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: it had a buffer underrun (which a driver that old has no protection against) |
| 21:18.22 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: your machine was toobusy to keep up feeding data to the drive fast enough |
| 21:18.30 | cg0def | another thing about ununtu though is that it installs fine (the unstable branch) on my laptop and debian seems to have problems but I still like debian better |
| 21:18.36 | PerfDave | Roey: Uhm, the support infrastructure sucks, the release protocol sucks, they don't have supported KDE packages. They don't seem to do anything better than Sarge other than have security updates for fairly recent software. |
| 21:18.42 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: you can try again at 4x, or fix the reason the machine was too slow, or go buy a modern writer that has buffer underrun protection |
| 21:18.55 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: personally I would go for the last option |
| 21:19.11 | simonrvn | PerfDave: i grabbed xorg, because my video card seems happier with the xorg ati driver |
| 21:19.24 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Well, if you're using ATI, you're fucked anyway ;) |
| 21:19.27 | simonrvn | PerfDave: *old* ati mach64... |
| 21:19.35 | simonrvn | yeh ;) |
| 21:19.37 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, give me the money! :D |
| 21:19.38 | Roey | PerfDave: oh, ok. Thanks for steering me clear then! |
| 21:19.41 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: fixing the problem with being to slow involves making sure dma is on for all drives, making sure hd and cdwriter are on seperate ide controller ports, etc |
| 21:19.43 | cg0def | simonrvn: yeah ati videocards and lcds work better under xorg :( |
| 21:19.45 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: you don't have $40? |
| 21:19.56 | Roey | PerfDave: maybe I'll install kanotix64 (unofficial debian-amd64 sid) |
| 21:20.04 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: writing slower is of course the simplest way to fix things |
| 21:20.09 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, i from Argentine |
| 21:20.32 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: well you have a computer apparently :) |
| 21:20.39 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: what speed is it? |
| 21:20.48 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, my computer? |
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| 21:20.58 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: yes |
| 21:21.21 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, Athlon 900Mhz 512Mb Ram |
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| 21:21.32 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: I have used a 32x writer on a P75 before and it worked (although the drive did have buffer underrun protection too) |
| 21:21.45 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: wow, I only have an athlon 700 (although with a 52x plextor writer) |
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| 21:22.24 | PerfDave | Roey: Uhm, why not just install Debian amd64? |
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| 21:22.53 | cg0def | PerfDave: deban amd64 is not that great |
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| 21:23.07 | lilliput | topic |
| 21:23.11 | Roldyx1 | LSorensen, then i will buy a new toaster |
| 21:23.30 | csaba198 | hi! Could anybody tell me a program which is able to make videoscreenshot from the screen? (other than x/gvidcap). |
| 21:23.36 | cg0def | PerfDave: first of all they have very few mirrors and then comes the problem with some programs having to be run in chroot |
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| 21:23.37 | simonrvn | cool, someone who reads the /topic :) |
| 21:23.53 | cg0def | PerfDave: oh yeah and 64 bit video drivers are a serious mess |
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| 21:24.15 | PerfDave | cg0def: Depends which amd64 variant you're running. |
| 21:24.25 | PerfDave | cg0def: Either way, the Debian amd64 guys are highly clueful. |
| 21:24.42 | cg0def | PerfDave: well I tried pure64 and could never get the ati drivers to work right |
| 21:24.44 | LSorensen | Roldyx1: check your ide settings, make sure dma is on for the hd and the writer, then make sure the writer and hd are on seperate ide cables, make sure you don't run anything cpou heavy (so no kde or gnome crap, etc), then if it still doesn't work, try it at 4x and you should have better luck. Although I have done 8x writing on a 200mhz machine without problems before so unless you are running cpu intensive junk it should work, or if you have dma disab |
| 21:24.52 | PerfDave | cg0def: The ATI drivers don't work full stop :) |
| 21:24.53 | Lee__ | is ALSA support with amd64 on par with the 32 bit port? |
| 21:25.08 | PerfDave | Lee__: No idea, I don't have a soundcard in my quad Opteron ;) |
| 21:25.13 | LSorensen | cg0def: people seem to have very little trouble with nvidia on amd64 |
| 21:25.18 | LSorensen | lee: seems to be |
| 21:25.20 | bucky | Lee__, yes |
| 21:25.44 | Lee__ | cool. the next CPU is going to be a Opteron for lots of DSP in a recording studio... |
| 21:25.51 | cg0def | PerfDave: lol yeah they are pretty bad the only distro that I have ever been able to get the ati drivers to work on is gentoo and gentoo sux :( |
| 21:25.52 | Mefdahl | on the subject of AMD are the nforce chipsets well supported? |
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| 21:26.09 | LSorensen | Mefdahl: seems like it yes |
| 21:26.19 | Mefdahl | K |
| 21:26.22 | LSorensen | Mefdahl: they seem to be the nicest chipset for the K8 |
| 21:26.23 | bucky | Mefdahl, you mean nforce4 ? good question |
| 21:26.26 | pack | What package configures your hostname? |
| 21:26.29 | LSorensen | Mefdahl: although I imagine some people like the via's too |
| 21:26.33 | dvs | Mefdahl: But Nvidia doesn't release the specs so everything is reverse engineered |
| 21:26.34 | cg0def | nforce works perfectly fine for me |
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| 21:26.47 | bucky | cg0def, nforce4 ? |
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| 21:26.50 | LSorensen | dvs: they don't release specs for everything. I think they do release for some things. |
| 21:26.51 | Mefdahl | I'm just getting ready to make use of a Athlon 2500+ I got setting on my deks. |
| 21:26.54 | Lee__ | anyone here of using the second CPU on an SMP system exclusively for crypto? |
| 21:26.57 | cg0def | don't know about nforce4 |
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| 21:27.01 | Empty | what's up with "/dev/" being mounted on "/.dev" on a Sarge install? |
| 21:27.01 | LSorensen | dvs: ethernet is reverse engineered |
| 21:27.03 | cg0def | only have 2 and |
| 21:27.04 | Mefdahl | trying to decide of the nforce or via |
| 21:27.05 | cg0def | 3 |
| 21:27.11 | lilliput | topic |
| 21:27.33 | PerfDave | Empty: Uhm, only if you install udev |
| 21:27.33 | dvs | Mefdahl: My preference would be VIA |
| 21:27.35 | LSorensen | Mefdahl: I have seen reports of the Asus A8N-SLI working perfectly with debian-amd64 |
| 21:27.41 | cg0def | Mefdahl: oh yeah some of the via hardware is unsupported under linux like nic and stuff |
| 21:27.44 | PerfDave | Empty: And udev isn't installed by default |
| 21:27.56 | valdyn_ | cg0def: which nic? |
| 21:28.08 | valdyn_ | cg0def: since nvidia do produce gpl drivers too |
| 21:28.10 | Empty | PerfDave, Well then guess I'd better swat the other admin ;) |
| 21:28.17 | valdyn_ | cg0def: since VIA ( NOT nvidia ) |
| 21:28.23 | cg0def | don't remember the number but you have to use the windows drivers for one of them at least |
| 21:28.24 | PerfDave | Empty: Check your sudo logs ;p |
| 21:28.28 | jetscreamer | why does gnome depend on udev |
| 21:28.38 | valdyn_ | jetscreamer: gnome-volume-manager does |
| 21:28.39 | stew | jetscreamer: gnome-volume-manager |
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| 21:28.44 | Empty | PerfDave, fresh install, no sudo logs :P |
| 21:28.50 | mwilson | jetscreamer: gnome-vfs does. |
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| 21:29.04 | Empty | PerfDave, I am just happy the box is back up, just saw that on a df and was curious |
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| 21:29.09 | jetscreamer | okie why does gnome-volume-manager depend on udev, istead of suggests or recommends |
| 21:29.15 | PerfDave | gnome-volume-manager relies on hald which relies on udev, IIRC. |
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| 21:29.16 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 21:29.30 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Because gnome-volume-manager won't work without hald, that's how it's implemented. |
| 21:29.35 | lilliput | how do u ask dpkg to send a pv about xorg (without /query) ? |
| 21:29.50 | PerfDave | lilliput: "/msg dpkg xorg" |
| 21:30.01 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.15 | LSorensen | jetscreamer: it depends on udev OR some other package. |
| 21:30.15 | lilliput | !tell me about xorg |
| 21:30.20 | lilliput | thx |
| 21:30.26 | valdyn_ | lilliput: /msg dpkg xorg and /msg dpkg xorg debs |
| 21:30.36 | PerfDave | !tell lilliput -about botmsg |
| 21:30.39 | valdyn_ | lilliput: !tell me works but no need to bother #debian with it |
| 21:31.09 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
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| 21:31.17 | LSorensen | jetscreamer: unless they changed that. |
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| 21:31.20 | lilliput | valdyn_: my client jabber gateway doesn't support it |
| 21:31.27 | lilliput | so thx guys |
| 21:31.28 | Mefdahl | Any suggestions for voice recongition under linux? |
| 21:31.45 | PerfDave | lilliput: Get a better Jabber IRC gateway then, or use a real IRC client. |
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| 21:31.49 | ricky_clarkson | lilliput: Join #debian-bots and do !xorg there. |
| 21:31.50 | mwilson | LSorensen: No, Gnome still thinks their VFS is somehow a good idea. |
| 21:32.06 | valdyn_ | lilliput: i cant imagine any irc client not to support sending personal messages ( maybe its not done via /msg ) |
| 21:32.14 | Souza10 | Does anybody know how to use filter into /etc/printcap ? |
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| 21:33.12 | lilliput | valdyn_: mm I hope it will works soon for the moment I can't do anything else irc is block by my uni :( |
| 21:33.15 | amahbod | help guys |
| 21:33.40 | amahbod | i need the syntax for a sed command that searches a text file and removes all text before [ |
| 21:33.42 | ricky_clarkson | lilliput: Try port 8001. |
| 21:33.43 | LSorensen | mwilson: so kde wants fam and gnome wants gnome-volume-manager. lovely |
| 21:33.45 | amahbod | on every line |
| 21:33.51 | daww | How can I with command create a file that has "mount -t ext...:" in the first line? |
| 21:34.12 | ricky_clarkson | daww: echo "mount -t ext...:" > somefile |
| 21:34.16 | LSorensen | daww: echo "mount -t ext.....:" > file |
| 21:34.17 | cafuego | daww: echio "line that has all that stuff" > file |
| 21:34.23 | daww | aha =) |
| 21:34.58 | bazan | I'm searching a good automount system what would you suggest, |
| 21:35.04 | ricky_clarkson | automount |
| 21:35.23 | asterix_de | can someone help with MOL on debian ibook |
| 21:35.28 | bazan | U mean autofs, i tried it and I dont like it |
| 21:35.33 | mwilson | LSorensen: Several Gnome applications also dep on libfam, although fortunately you don't seem to actually have to have the daemon running. |
| 21:36.08 | asterix_de | i try to do make KERNEL_SOURCE=/lib/modules/2.6.8-powerpc , but without sugess |
| 21:36.26 | bazan | you have to map the device with the directory and I want a system that auto detect the device newly created.. |
| 21:36.28 | Souza10 | Does anybody know how to use filter into /etc/printcap ? Is it only put "if=filename.ppd" ? |
| 21:36.34 | LSorensen | mwilson: and I used to think enlightenment was bloated |
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| 21:36.48 | cafuego | asterix_de: Use make-kpkg and the module-modules-source package. (Or just use the precompiled stuff). |
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| 21:37.11 | cafuego | s/module-modules/source/mol-modules/source/ |
| 21:37.24 | PerfDave | bazan: I just have a bash script that tails /var/log/messages and mounts stuff |
| 21:37.42 | mwilson | PerfDave: Oh? |
| 21:37.43 | asterix_de | cafuego: i installes it with apt-get install mol |
| 21:37.56 | cafuego | asterix_de: Do you hasve a precompiled kernel? |
| 21:37.57 | bazan | PerfDave: great, maybe it can be run as a deamon |
| 21:38.14 | asterix_de | i dont know what you mean |
| 21:38.17 | alus | is there an application to benchmark harddrive speed? |
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| 21:38.25 | cafuego | asterix_de: Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 21:38.31 | asterix_de | i have the kernel from debian 3.1 |
| 21:38.32 | cafuego | alus: bonnie++ |
| 21:38.35 | valdyn_ | mwilson: is there a solution you consider good providing what fam does? |
| 21:38.44 | cafuego | asterix_de: Then you don't need to compile mol stuff, surely. |
| 21:38.45 | bazan | petemc: may be you could send it to me |
| 21:38.57 | bazan | PerfDave: if you please ;) |
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| 21:39.03 | asterix_de | ok but how do i start |
| 21:39.11 | mwilson | valdyn_: Fam is a problem looking for a problem it can claim to solve. The last thing the world needs is another RPC service. |
| 21:39.22 | cafuego | asterix_de: apt-get install 'mol-modules-2.6.8-powerpc' |
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| 21:40.07 | cafuego | asterix_de: Then go to /etc/mol, edit molrc.net, molrc.osx and probably dhcpd-mol.conf. |
| 21:40.07 | Mefdahl | what does fam do? |
| 21:40.08 | Mefdahl | lol |
| 21:40.22 | cafuego | !fam |
| 21:40.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, fam is a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
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| 21:40.26 | valdyn_ | Mefdahl: its a certral instance ( a daemon ) to monitor files for changes |
| 21:40.32 | valdyn_ | Mefdahl: its a central instance ( a daemon ) to monitor files for changes |
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| 21:40.53 | asterix_de | cafuego: what shell i edit there |
| 21:41.01 | valdyn_ | Mefdahl: opposed to the traditional way of each application pulling for changes individually |
| 21:41.02 | Mefdahl | humm... will it work over smb mounts. |
| 21:41.10 | valdyn_ | Mefdahl: opposed to the traditional way of each application polling for changes individually |
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| 21:41.14 | mwilson | PerfDave: Can you put this script of yours somewhere? I'm interested. |
| 21:41.28 | valdyn_ | Mefdahl: sure why not, any "file" can be monitored |
| 21:41.29 | cafuego | asterix_de: Read those files, see the comments.. make 'em apply to YOUR machine. I dion't know what/how you installed, so I can't tell you what to change 'em to. |
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| 21:41.53 | cafuego | valdyn_: You seemed to have a nasty echo. |
| 21:41.56 | Mefdahl | Well it might be useful then for some on update backups I'm trying to do. |
| 21:42.02 | bazan | PerfDave: yes please i'm interested too |
| 21:42.13 | mwilson | !maint hotplug |
| 21:42.16 | dpkg | hotplug: Fumitoshi UKAI <ukai@debian.or.jp> |
| 21:42.17 | valdyn_ | cafuego: or bad typing skills =/ |
| 21:42.22 | cafuego | PerfDave: I think it will spell the end of the world, pelase don't share the script! |
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| 21:43.03 | Mefdahl | fam + cvs... transparent versioning? |
| 21:43.07 | Mefdahl | anyone doing this? |
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| 21:43.14 | vahid | hello |
| 21:43.24 | mwilson | No, fam + cvs == brokenness |
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| 21:43.30 | Mefdahl | =( |
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| 21:43.35 | bob2 | hah |
| 21:43.39 | vahid | i u aotitude |
| 21:43.51 | bob2 | robert already strapped fuse onto bazaar |
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| 21:44.02 | vahid | the pc downloading package |
| 21:44.08 | vahid | and i need restart |
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| 21:44.18 | vahid | what can i do ? |
| 21:44.32 | tarzeau | restaaart restaaaaaart! |
| 21:44.33 | vahid | is it possibel i contiue later ? |
| 21:44.39 | cafuego | valdyn_: ctrl-c it, restart, do whatever |
| 21:44.41 | vahid | tarzeau, :) |
| 21:44.43 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now |
| 21:44.54 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/ctrl-alt-del/ |
| 21:44.55 | jetscreamer | oh that restart |
| 21:44.58 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 21:44.59 | vahid | jes-o-mat, and how can i contiue ? |
| 21:45.04 | mwilson | hm,d'Itri isn't the hotplug maintainer, but he's making hotplug uploads? |
| 21:45.05 | cafuego | if you have a journaling filesystem, just hit the reset switch ;-) |
| 21:45.16 | asterix_de | cafuego: shell i reboot |
| 21:45.19 | jla | I'm trying out apache2 on sarge with mod_cgi, and it seems my scripts get a current working directory of "/" unlike in 1.3 where it was the directory the cgi script was found in. Is there a run time config option to change that, or do all my scripts need to change to use apache2? |
| 21:45.20 | jetscreamer | just restart it it should pick up where it left off basically |
| 21:45.28 | cafuego | asterix_de: Do you think that will help? |
| 21:45.29 | valdyn_ | cafuego: err? i repeated my stuff because of typos, or is there something else I didnt notice? |
| 21:45.42 | vahid | ok tnx |
| 21:45.51 | cafuego | valdyn_: no, that was meant for vahid. |
| 21:46.01 | valdyn_ | cafuego: alright |
| 21:46.02 | bob2 | jla: #apache would be a better place to ask |
| 21:46.06 | cafuego | stupid tab |
| 21:46.12 | jla | bob2 k |
| 21:46.13 | streuner | heh |
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| 21:48.21 | oliver_ | is there a shell command to transform al images into 800x600? |
| 21:48.30 | bob2 | sure |
| 21:48.35 | bob2 | "convert" from imagemagick |
| 21:48.43 | oliver_ | Thanks ill try. |
| 21:48.44 | soulreaper__ | mogrify from imagemagic |
| 21:48.59 | intero | oliver_: gimp is better anyway |
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| 21:49.24 | valdyn_ | intero: gimp can be controlled via command line? |
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| 21:50.00 | intero | valdyn_: nope, but imagemagik often create bad images |
| 21:50.05 | bgates | Hi, if anybody has bittorrent and can test my server PM me please |
| 21:50.17 | Doh | hello all...i have woody r3 installed with a crappy 2.2.2 kernel ...long story short, i'd like to use kernel-package to compile source for the latest 2.6 kernel...from kernel.org. i'm a new debian user, so i'm wondering if woody will handle the new kernel and if there will be any broken package issues to deal with? |
| 21:50.24 | cafuego | Or you could write a php 4-liner to do it. |
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| 21:50.29 | bob2 | ew. |
| 21:50.33 | dondelelcaro | Doh: it will, but you'll need modules-init-tools |
| 21:50.40 | valdyn_ | Doh: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 21:50.44 | bgates | damn bob2, do you ever leave here? |
| 21:50.52 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: www.backports.org has both module-init-tools and prebuilt 2.6 kernels |
| 21:50.56 | bob2 | bgates: when people annoy me |
| 21:51.01 | dondelelcaro | bob2: yeah |
| 21:51.03 | Doh | great...that's all i need? |
| 21:51.05 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: You will need some updated software, like module-init-tools. Maybe other stuff. There may be issues with gcc 2.95 and the latest kernel. |
| 21:51.10 | asterix_de | cafuego: i dont know |
| 21:51.11 | cafuego | Doh even |
| 21:51.12 | valdyn_ | Doh: what are you using this box for? woody may not be what you want |
| 21:51.15 | bob2 | gah |
| 21:51.19 | bob2 | wrong person |
| 21:51.19 | dondelelcaro | bob2: ;-) |
| 21:51.24 | cafuego | Doh: Just check the Changelog for software requirements. |
| 21:51.33 | bob2 | Doh: www.backports.org has both module-init-tools and prebuilt 2.6 kernels |
| 21:51.37 | cafuego | asterix_de: Did you update the kernel? |
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| 21:52.03 | Doh | i'm just easing my transition from windows...right now it's a dual boot system...i'm just using it as a desktop...nothing critical...mostly a learning experience |
| 21:52.20 | valdyn_ | !d-i Doh |
| 21:52.21 | dpkg | Doh, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:52.35 | bob2 | that doesn't seem to help |
| 21:52.44 | auliya | hi - i wanna install php+mysql, but apt-get keeps returning an error when installing fileutils, about replacing /bin/chgrp. anyone had the same thing? |
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| 21:53.01 | valdyn_ | Doh: i would recommend you dont start modifying woody but read what dpkg said and use sarge, you will even _need_ it if you hardware is somewhat recent |
| 21:53.03 | Doh | i've used dselect before...i'm good with it...but thanks for the warning "dpkg" |
| 21:53.10 | auliya | same error when i do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:53.29 | bob2 | auliya: don't mix woody and sarge like that |
| 21:53.30 | Doh | ok then...but then does sarge ship with a 2.6? |
| 21:53.33 | auliya | oh? |
| 21:53.38 | valdyn_ | Doh: yes |
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| 21:53.47 | bob2 | Doh: yes |
| 21:53.53 | bob2 | as the default on i386, aiui |
| 21:54.02 | inc|freaky | when using apt. should i do: apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade, or would always using just dist-upgrade be enough or even wrong? |
| 21:54.05 | Doh | well i guess that's a better option then |
| 21:54.16 | valdyn_ | bob2: not in d-i rc2 |
| 21:54.19 | bob2 | inc|freaky: they do slightly differentt things |
| 21:54.26 | jetscreamer | http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/pan/pan.html |
| 21:54.28 | bob2 | valdyn_: isn't rc3 the latest? |
| 21:54.37 | valdyn_ | bob2: i dont know |
| 21:54.38 | bob2 | inc|freaky: there's no need to run them both, tho |
| 21:54.41 | cafuego | bob2: Not as of yesterday. |
| 21:54.45 | mwilson | inc|freaky: Actually learning the difference between the 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' targets would probably be a better idea. |
| 21:54.47 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade is fine, there are differences, try man |
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| 21:54.53 | bob2 | inc|freaky: just run dist-upgrade and watch caefully what it wants to do |
| 21:54.53 | jetscreamer | what mwilson said |
| 21:54.59 | bob2 | cafuego: valdyn_ hm, my mistake |
| 21:55.06 | cafuego | Doh: yes, sarge is *nearly* stable and has much newer software that woody. Perfect choice for the desktop. |
| 21:55.22 | inc|freaky | is there any faq about that? |
| 21:55.24 | valdyn_ | Doh: you *need* to enter linux26 at the boot prompt when instaling sarge to start off with 2.6 |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | it's like running RH now :) |
| 21:55.36 | jetscreamer | yes you do need |
| 21:55.45 | cafuego | Doh: Notably hit 'F1' when the installer comes up with the logo :-) |
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| 21:55.53 | jetscreamer | see also expert26 |
| 21:55.57 | bob2 | inc|freaky: the manpage |
| 21:55.58 | Doh | cafuego: hmmm...how nearly is nearly? should i just hold off for a few months and live with woody until sarge is stable or just plunge right in? |
| 21:56.01 | oliver_ | uhmmmmm could someone assist me in resizing all my images. |
| 21:56.06 | jetscreamer | plunge |
| 21:56.09 | cafuego | Doh: Just plunge right in. |
| 21:56.13 | bob2 | oliver_: read the manpage |
| 21:56.17 | oliver_ | i did :/ |
| 21:56.30 | Doh | alrighty then |
| 21:56.30 | cafuego | Doh: It doesn't get security updates yet, but for a desktop box that's not really an issue. |
| 21:56.31 | oliver_ | i ran the command and its just sayed "Terminated" |
| 21:56.34 | valdyn_ | Doh: plunge, debians "stable" or "testing" does not really compare to windows or fedora.. |
| 21:56.40 | bob2 | oliver_: -scale is thw option you want |
| 21:56.50 | abrotman | Doh: i've been using it for over a year .. nothing horrible has happened yet |
| 21:56.52 | Doh | and thank you "valdyn" for the boot prompt advice |
| 21:56.54 | inc|freaky | bob2: i read the manpage but i dont really udnerstand the difference ... because from what i read i'd say just always using dist-upgrade would be the best thing. i just dont understand if packages get left out ... |
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| 21:57.29 | oliver_ | convert * -scale 800x600 bob2 ? |
| 21:57.34 | bob2 | inc|freaky: the man page is *that* unclear? |
| 21:57.35 | bob2 | oliver_: no |
| 21:57.36 | valdyn_ | inc|freaky: dist-upgrade will resolve dependencies, upgrade will not |
| 21:57.42 | bob2 | no |
| 21:57.46 | mwilson | valdyn_: Wrong. |
| 21:57.47 | bob2 | that's not the difference |
| 21:57.54 | oliver_ | bob2 would you know? |
| 21:57.56 | mwilson | valdyn_: Perhaps YOU should read it. |
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| 21:58.13 | inc|freaky | valdyn_: so why shouldnt i always run dist-upgrade if it automatically, additionally to everything upgrade does, resolves dependencies? |
| 21:58.13 | valdyn_ | mwilson: no, maybe i expressed myself wrongly |
| 21:58.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get sucks at large dependencies like x-window-system, gnome, or kde, or it at least used to |
| 21:58.23 | PerfDave | mwilson, bazan: It's on my machine at work, but it's basically "tail -f /var/log/messages | grep | mount" |
| 21:58.34 | cafuego | oliver_: for file in *jpg; do echo -n "Processing $file ..." convert -resize 800x600 "$file"; done; echo |
| 21:58.41 | cafuego | oliver_: for file in *jpg; do echo -n "Processing $file ..."; convert -resize 800x600 "$file"; done; echo |
| 21:58.47 | cafuego | oliver_: Note that extra semilcolon. |
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| 21:58.51 | valdyn_ | inc|freaky: because it may install or remove things that you do not want because of dependencies |
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| 21:58.56 | ari_ | Hi, I tried to change resolution in KDE but I don't have 'Display' under peripherals. what do I do? |
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| 21:59.06 | resiak | jetscreamer: No, it doesn't. Shut up. |
| 21:59.06 | bob2 | ari_: #debian-kde |
| 21:59.06 | oliver_ | oki |
| 21:59.10 | mwilson | inc|freaky: You know, it's rather obvious that you haven't even looked at the man page. |
| 21:59.11 | setnf | what is the package name that need i install to get FIXED font ? |
| 21:59.11 | inc|freaky | valdyn_: but if another package depends on it, why not doing so? |
| 21:59.14 | ari_ | bob2: thank you |
| 21:59.20 | jetscreamer | ari_, apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 21:59.21 | PerfDave | ari_: Uhm, you don't change resolution in KDE, you change it in X. "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 21:59.21 | cafuego | setnf: x-window-system-core |
| 21:59.22 | dgc | oliver_: though you will get much nicer results if you convert to pnm first |
| 21:59.23 | bob2 | inc|freaky: you can run it all the time if you like, just be careful |
| 21:59.27 | mwilson | valdyn_: You have no idea at all of the difference, do you? |
| 21:59.28 | inc|freaky | mwilson: mor elikely my enlgish isnt good enough because i looked at it |
| 21:59.43 | ari_ | PerfDave: thank you |
| 21:59.45 | bob2 | inc|freaky: just make sure you agree with what it wants to do before it does it |
| 21:59.46 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, he meant the display control applet which amends XF86Config-4 for you |
| 21:59.50 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 21:59.54 | inc|freaky | awkay, thx :D |
| 21:59.58 | Coily | is there a simple tool to keep track of my 1)connection to my router 2) connection to internet. my router has been going out recently and i need to keep track of when and for how long etc |
| 22:00.07 | bazan | PerfDave: thx, I'm trying to reproduce this script |
| 22:00.10 | mwilson | bob2: Oh, come on... you know everyone wants to do unattended dist-upgrade via cron. |
| 22:00.11 | jetscreamer | ntop maybe |
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| 22:00.17 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: "Screen Resize and Rotate" doesn't change your X config for you. |
| 22:00.18 | jetscreamer | mwilson, i know i do |
| 22:00.33 | oliver_ | added a $file after convert and it works! |
| 22:00.35 | setnf | cafuego: havent this package name... |
| 22:00.37 | dgc | Coily: ping |
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| 22:00.51 | jetscreamer | PerfDave, i just know the results, not exactly how it achieves it.. i bow to your supieror wisdom |
| 22:00.52 | Coily | dgc i need something with better logging |
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| 22:00.54 | oliver_ | thx bob2 |
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| 22:01.03 | valdyn_ | mwilson: im reading the manpage for the first time now, and i find it agrees with me |
| 22:01.07 | setnf | what is the package name that need i install to get FIXED font ? |
| 22:01.11 | jetscreamer | one day i wil spell superior correctly |
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| 22:01.14 | dgc | Coily: ping > log |
| 22:01.15 | bob2 | setnf: x-window-system-core |
| 22:01.17 | cafuego | setnf: Check for typos. If you *did8 type it correctly, make sure you're actually running debian. |
| 22:01.17 | valdyn_ | mwilson: sure I simplified =p |
| 22:01.18 | Coily | dgc i cant be looking through hours of pinging to see when or if my connection went down |
| 22:01.22 | bob2 | setnf: as cafuego said |
| 22:01.39 | dgc | Coily: ah, you want to be alerted? |
| 22:01.43 | mwilson | valdyn_: Actually, it doesn't agree with you in any way. |
| 22:01.44 | setnf | cafuego: yes, im running debian. |
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| 22:01.59 | cafuego | setnf: then you have 'x-window-system-core' |
| 22:02.03 | Coily | dgc yes, since ill be away from my computer ill need something to point out when the connection went down |
| 22:02.09 | valdyn_ | mwilson: whats false about what i said? |
| 22:02.21 | valdyn_ | mwilson: i didnt say "upgrade ignores dependencies" |
| 22:02.33 | mwilson | valdyn_: --> [13:57] <valdyn_> inc|freaky: dist-upgrade will resolve dependencies, upgrade |
| 22:02.33 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.43 | mwilson | valdyn_: That's pretty much utter nonsense. |
| 22:02.50 | valdyn_ | mwilson: no |
| 22:02.59 | mwilson | valdyn_: oh... you didn't say that? |
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| 22:03.56 | inc|freaky | mwilson: every1 saying things different, and in the end you tell me i havent read the manpage, heh ;p i didnt even see any difference but nm lol my english is probably just not good enough |
| 22:04.02 | streuner | mwilson: don't cut hairs :-) |
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| 22:04.09 | valdyn_ | mwilson: are we talking semantic nuances here? dist-upgrade intellligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages |
| 22:04.10 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: SR&R is a KDE-ised interface to xrandr IIRC, which is the X component which allows dynamic changing of resolutions with ctrl-alt-plus and -minus. It can only jump through resolutions which are specified in the X config file. |
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| 22:04.26 | setnf | cafuego: sorry but this package name havent on apt-cache |
| 22:04.34 | valdyn_ | mwilson: now thats quoted from the manpage |
| 22:04.47 | abrotman | PerfDave: someone should tell wine .. that fucking thing crashes and leaves me at 640x480 :) |
| 22:04.51 | bob2 | setnf: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 22:04.51 | cafuego | !info x-window-system-core woody |
| 22:04.53 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: (X Window System core components), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.1.0-16woody5 (woody), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 22:04.54 | jetscreamer | ah. okie... that makes sense. |
| 22:05.01 | jetscreamer | fuck wine, dualboot. |
| 22:05.13 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 22:05.21 | mwilson | valdyn_: no, we're talking about you not understanding how apt-get works. The difference betweeen the targets is that 'update' cannot change the installation state of a package, while 'dist-upgrade' can. I have zero idea where you get the notion that the 'upgrade' target does not resolve dependencies. |
| 22:05.24 | cafuego | setnf: You're typing 'window' and not 'windows', are you? |
| 22:05.24 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Yeah, because it's not inconvenient to dualboot at all ;) |
| 22:05.25 | jetscreamer | i need to stop thinking with my fingers |
| 22:05.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i have windows .. but it's nice to be able to just play in linux |
| 22:05.31 | streuner | true, to play games i don't need wine... |
| 22:05.40 | abrotman | but normally `enigma` suffices |
| 22:05.46 | mwilson | s/'update'/'upgrade'/ |
| 22:05.47 | PerfDave | abrotman: Ctrl-Alt-plus and -minus don't fix it? I get left in odd resolutions when Enemy Territory spacks up. |
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| 22:06.05 | abrotman | PerfDave: i still haven't figured out the magic-laptop-key-combo to do ctrl-alt-+ |
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| 22:06.09 | jetscreamer | et spack up?how dare you |
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| 22:06.22 | PerfDave | abrotman: ctrl-alt-breakfingers-pokerandomkeyswithbloodystumps |
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| 22:06.38 | abrotman | PerfDave: gnome has an Xrandr util .. works just fine |
| 22:06.44 | PerfDave | abrotman: Fair enough. |
| 22:06.45 | calin | wtf? |
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| 22:06.54 | PerfDave | abrotman: Well, apart from being Gnome ;) |
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| 22:07.01 | calin | why is identify only sending four characters of my password? |
| 22:07.01 | jetscreamer | wtf what homie |
| 22:07.12 | abrotman | PerfDave: yeah .. well .. fuck wine for crashing anyways |
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| 22:07.40 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:07.43 | inc|freaky | how can i fix java-applets showing somewhere outside of the screen? and i can only see a part of the applet. :( |
| 22:07.53 | abrotman | mwilson: less characters to type! |
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| 22:07.56 | PerfDave | mwilson: Using Gnome probably means you can install a nice DE / WM, using Windows probably means you can't ;) |
| 22:07.58 | calin | inc|freaky: /join #java |
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| 22:08.11 | Skaag | can someone please remind me how to build a debian source package after i've modified it? |
| 22:08.18 | valdyn_ | mwilson: you just described the implementation side, i don't know where this contradicts mee |
| 22:08.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:08.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 22:08.44 | abrotman | Skaag: /msg dpkg nm |
| 22:08.45 | PerfDave | Skaag: dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 22:08.53 | Skaag | thanks guys |
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| 22:09.12 | jeaneid | where is glib-2.0 |
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| 22:09.25 | paulswm | mwilson: I have to confess that my remark was intended to elicit a response from you, I couldn't resist the opportunity. |
| 22:09.28 | streuner | jeaneid: nirwana |
| 22:09.28 | cafuego | jeaneid: On a lot of computers. |
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| 22:09.42 | streuner | jeaneid: why do you think you need 2.0? |
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| 22:09.57 | aidehua | I was about to ask a question, but I just found the answer, and the answer is along the lines of: Linux / i386 will only let you have 4 partitions on a disk unless you have the foresight to learn about extended partitions. That sucks! |
| 22:10.03 | cafuego | paulswm: mwilson has some weird hatred for gnome. |
| 22:10.15 | jeaneid | streuner: because I am trying to configure gnumeric and it says could not find package glib-2.0 |
| 22:10.24 | ph0 | does anyone know howto configure an intel 855GM graphic card to use DRI? |
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| 22:10.31 | paulswm | cafuego: I know, hence the remark, I couldn't help it. |
| 22:10.33 | mwilson | aidehua: What does that have to do with Linux? There are only four slots in a partition table. |
| 22:10.35 | PerfDave | aidehua: Uhm, I don't think that's a Linux constraint, I think that applies to any OS. |
| 22:10.39 | daww | when I try to unmount "umount /dev/sda2" I get "umount: /mnt/sda2: device is busy", how can list processes that is used by sda2? |
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| 22:10.43 | streuner | jeaneid: why not just use one of the debian packages? |
| 22:10.47 | PerfDave | daww: lsof |
| 22:10.56 | cafuego | paulswm: I personally don't why it would be impossible to do anything productive with it. |
| 22:10.58 | bob2 | ph0: defaults should work fine |
| 22:11.01 | ph0 | daw... have u tried to leave sda2 folder? |
| 22:11.03 | De_Mon | PerfDave wouldn't that make it a bios constraint? or maybe even a HD constraint |
| 22:11.06 | paulswm | cafuego: Specifically, Gnome developers, I believe. |
| 22:11.13 | jeaneid | struener: because I need to increase the number of columns higher than 256 |
| 22:11.13 | aidehua | Other OSs? |
| 22:11.16 | aidehua | What are they? |
| 22:11.29 | PerfDave | De_Mon: Not sure, I'm inclined to listen to what mwilson said about partition tables only having four slots though. |
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| 22:11.32 | De_Mon | aidehua use a virtualfilesystem! |
| 22:11.39 | jeaneid | struener: to do this I need to edit gnumeric.h and reconfigure |
| 22:11.41 | cafuego | paulswm: They appear to be pushing out a fast and useable desktop environment... |
| 22:11.42 | paulswm | cafuego: I like Gnome, but to each his own, the beauty of GNU/Linux |
| 22:11.51 | streuner | argh |
| 22:11.56 | cafuego | paulswm: though i must admit i haven't used it on a ceelron 300 lately ;-) |
| 22:12.05 | streuner | jeaneid: makes no sense to me... |
| 22:12.13 | doneill | try a humble athlon xp 2400, it crawls. |
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| 22:12.19 | paulswm | cafuego: It sucks on a 450 K6 |
| 22:12.21 | jeaneid | streuner: what does not make sense to you? |
| 22:12.28 | PerfDave | paulswm: I'm sorry, you just used "Gnome" and "beauty" in the same sentence. You will now be shot by the Irony Police ;) |
| 22:12.28 | cafuego | doneill: It does? Runs fine on mine. |
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| 22:12.34 | daww | PerfDave, OK "famd 1874 x 46r DIR 8,2 1024 2 /mnt/sda2" how do I close famd? |
| 22:12.38 | bob2 | humble my ass |
| 22:12.39 | doneill | runs like molasses in january in moscow on mine |
| 22:12.50 | doneill | fvwm runs nicely |
| 22:12.55 | cafuego | doneill: Do you not have dma enabled or soemthing? |
| 22:12.55 | PerfDave | daww: It's a daemon, isn't it? Try "/etc/init.d/famd stop" |
| 22:13.00 | doneill | sure i do |
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| 22:13.05 | Varg_ | Does anyone know if there's a way to edit the debian boot process to speed it up? |
| 22:13.06 | streuner | jeaneid: what kind of problem is that? Doesn't the packages in debian haven't a feature you miss? |
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| 22:13.19 | doneill | i think it's a matter of perspective |
| 22:13.21 | paulswm | cafuego: actually, that's not so much the CPU but the ATA33 :) |
| 22:13.25 | doneill | run xfce on one, then tell me gnome is fast. |
| 22:13.29 | cafuego | paulswm: ouch! |
| 22:13.30 | PerfDave | Varg_: You can use alternate inits, but I'm not familiar with any. |
| 22:13.33 | Rambo3 | where K is for KRAP? |
| 22:13.44 | doneill | if you compare gnome with kde, or windows, they're all in the same ballpark: too slow. |
| 22:14.00 | PerfDave | doneill: KDE's plenty fast enough for me. |
| 22:14.10 | doneill | PerfDave, cheers, good news |
| 22:14.11 | cafuego | doneill: I'll admit none of my boxes can touch the iBook, but what the heck. |
| 22:14.17 | doneill | everybody has their own needs |
| 22:14.18 | Varg_ | PerfDave: is this applicable to pre-rc2.d booting? I'm looking for the hardware detection phase |
| 22:14.23 | superSSS | why not use ICEwm? |
| 22:14.26 | valdyn_ | Varg_: file-rc might be a little faster but insignificantly imo |
| 22:14.27 | jeaneid | streuner: the default debina installs gnumeric with a max of 256 columns per sheet and it does not give option for any other number. So I need to configure,and install from source' |
| 22:14.29 | paulswm | cafuego: This weekend, I'm going to put a couple of spare 80GB drives with 8MB cache, and tkae the 40/2MBs off, that will help (although really it's my backups box) |
| 22:14.30 | doneill | i just love having my apps load before i can snap my mouse button twice |
| 22:14.32 | PerfDave | Varg_: No idea, Debian boots plenty fast enough for me. |
| 22:14.37 | daww | PerfDave, didn't found it, just etc/init.d/fam |
| 22:14.39 | De_Mon | PerfDave 's perception of speed is slow |
| 22:14.41 | cafuego | superSSS: i find it hideously ugly and don't want to look at it all day. |
| 22:14.43 | doneill | but that's my fetish, i guess. |
| 22:14.50 | Varg_ | PerfDave: Thanks anyway |
| 22:14.50 | PerfDave | daww: Then stop that. |
| 22:14.53 | daww | PerfDave, thats it |
| 22:15.03 | valdyn_ | Varg_: a) dont reboot or b) use some suspend feature are options too |
| 22:15.17 | doneill | Varg_, or delete /etc/init.d |
| 22:15.22 | superSSS | cafuego: hehe interesting, i find it the "handsome" of all desktops |
| 22:15.29 | streuner | jeaneid: why not just report that as a bug? |
| 22:15.34 | daww | PerfDave, why is lsof list famd and not fam? |
| 22:15.40 | jeaneid | struener: becuse it is not a bug |
| 22:15.40 | ph0 | does anyone have 1 min? /q m3 :$:$ |
| 22:15.41 | PerfDave | De_Mon: Nope, it's fast enough for me to get my work done |
| 22:15.46 | cafuego | paulswm: I've found sata drives to be marginally faster still - how much does a pci sata card cost these days? :-) |
| 22:15.51 | PerfDave | daww: The initscript is called fam, the daemon it calls is called famd? |
| 22:16.00 | streuner | jeaneid: wishlist? |
| 22:16.07 | bob2 | ph0: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 22:16.11 | bob2 | ph0: or use ubuntu |
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| 22:16.13 | KirbyMeister | i cant find mysql in the package manager |
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| 22:16.22 | abrotman | cafuego: depends .. anywhere from 20$ to 800$ |
| 22:16.25 | daww | PerfDave, aiight |
| 22:16.26 | cafuego | KirbyMeister: mysql-client|mysql-server |
| 22:16.30 | Souza10 | Does anybody could help me with my BJC-240 into LPRng server? I put "if=Canon-BJC-240-bj200.ppd" into printmap and it isn't working. |
| 22:16.34 | streuner | !tell bob2 about topic |
| 22:16.38 | KirbyMeister | cafuego: AAAH!!! |
| 22:16.44 | carcharoth | otto_: the module seems to be i386 only. |
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| 22:16.51 | bob2 | Sanne: bah |
| 22:16.54 | bob2 | blah |
| 22:16.54 | paulswm | cafuego: It's not worth messing with, It's an old Compaq presario 5150, servinf as a backup fileserver and shortly my domain webserver until it croaks |
| 22:17.01 | PerfDave | !tell KirbyMeister -about search |
| 22:17.02 | Sanne | bob2: huh? |
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| 22:17.10 | cafuego | paulswm: oooh, ewww ;-) |
| 22:17.16 | abrotman | bob2: you're slipping |
| 22:17.24 | jeaneid | streuber: yes but needed now. What is glib-2.0 and gtk+-2.0 . I use gnome so why don't I have these things |
| 22:17.35 | PerfDave | jeaneid: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 22:17.49 | cafuego | jeaneid: What do you need them for? |
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| 22:18.07 | PerfDave | resiak: I don't think Woody has GTK2... |
| 22:18.13 | resiak | PerfDave: Oh. |
| 22:18.13 | jeaneid | PerDave: I am using 2.6.8 unstable |
| 22:18.13 | streuner | jeaneid: you should have glib-2.0 in any case, its just a configure thingie |
| 22:18.26 | paulswm | cafuego: I do have a old laptop: P-MMX 133 with 32 MB mem and a 2GB HD running sarge and apache :) |
| 22:18.38 | jeaneid | cafuego: I need them to install gnumeric from source |
| 22:18.39 | cafuego | paulswm: arrrrggghhhh |
| 22:18.43 | doneill | i have a pentium 75 running sarge |
| 22:18.44 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 22:18.47 | PerfDave | jeaneid: If you're running unstable, you should know what you're doing with packages. If you don't know what you're doing with packages, you shouldn't be running unstable. |
| 22:18.47 | Souza10 | Does anybody could help me with my BJC-240 into LPRng server? I put "if=Canon-BJC-240-bj200.ppd" into printmap and it isn't working. |
| 22:18.50 | doneill | same specs, otherwise |
| 22:18.51 | resiak | jeaneid: apt-get build-dep gnumeric |
| 22:18.53 | cafuego | jeaneid: wtf would you do that? |
| 22:18.57 | doneill | leahhttpd, though. |
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| 22:19.00 | resiak | jeaneid: Why are you building it from source anyway? |
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| 22:19.22 | PerfDave | jeaneid: If you don't know how to work with source packages, you shouldn't be running unstable. Read the APT HOWTO. |
| 22:19.24 | jeaneid | PerDave: is this the best answer you think? |
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| 22:19.45 | resiak | jeaneid: Why are you building Gnumeric from source? apt-get install gnumeric |
| 22:19.58 | cafuego | jeaneid: Telling people not to run Sid when they really shouldn't tends to prevent a flamewar later on when theyd estroy their system and demand help. |
| 22:19.59 | PerfDave | jeaneid: Not running unstable? It's a very good idea. |
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| 22:20.09 | jeaneid | resiak: because I need to install it with more than 256 columns |
| 22:20.24 | streuner | resiak: because he need some features which aren't in the debian packages... |
| 22:20.36 | jeaneid | Perfdave and that fixes my problem right? |
| 22:20.46 | PerfDave | jeaneid: It'll fix one of your problems, at least. |
| 22:20.48 | resiak | jeaneid: apt-get build-deps gnumeric (as root) will install all that you need to build it from source. |
| 22:20.53 | cafuego | jeaneid: Then you apt-get source gnumeric, edit the build scripts, and build a customised .deb |
| 22:21.15 | PerfDave | resiak, cafuego: or jeaneid could just read the APT HOWTO instead of whining until you spoonfeed them |
| 22:21.18 | streuner | jeaneid: /msg dpkg simple sid package |
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| 22:21.24 | resiak | PerfDave: That's a very going point. |
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| 22:21.37 | streuner | jeaneid: that gives you some debian/rules at least... |
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| 22:21.43 | cafuego | PerfDave: Do you see that happening in the next 60 minutes? |
| 22:21.55 | PerfDave | cafuego: Not if you spoonfeed them, no. |
| 22:21.55 | resiak | PerfDave: s/going/good/ |
| 22:22.16 | ph0 | i wanna signup 4 a dev list from spain 4 translating packages, so i have received a email from linux@list.linuxmail.org |
| 22:22.24 | cafuego | PerfDave: Also not if you don't spoonfeed them, usually. |
| 22:22.27 | ph0 | can i post now, or the manager of the translation group should give me work and access to the list??? |
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| 22:22.34 | PerfDave | cafuego: *shrug* |
| 22:22.40 | inc|freaky | what are the packages for those internet time thingy? |
| 22:22.50 | cafuego | PerfDave: never overestimate people's capacity/willingness to learn. |
| 22:22.50 | inc|freaky | with timeservers and such |
| 22:22.52 | PerfDave | cafuego: Tell you what, why don't you sit here and spoonfeed everybody, and I'll go away :) |
| 22:22.53 | paulswm | inc|freaky: I use chrony |
| 22:23.04 | streuner | inc|freaky: ntpdate? |
| 22:23.08 | PerfDave | cafuego: I don't overestimate people's willingless to learn. That's why I don't give in and spoonfeed them. |
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| 22:23.21 | PerfDave | cafuego: Have you ever looked after toddlers? It's the same mentality. If you break, you've lost forever. |
| 22:23.36 | paulswm | inc|freaky: do an apt search on ntp and take your pick, ntpdata and chrony are the two main choices I believe |
| 22:23.46 | bob2 | ph0: please don't /msg people |
| 22:23.51 | cafuego | PerfDave: No, I'm not allowed near toddlers, I bludgeon them to death within seconds. |
| 22:24.09 | PerfDave | cafuego: See, if you applied the same tactics to #debian, you'd be greycat ;) |
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| 22:24.20 | cafuego | PerfDave: or mwilson. |
| 22:24.26 | bob2 | hahahaha |
| 22:24.26 | cafuego | PerfDave: I don't want to go there. |
| 22:24.32 | bob2 | I should bring one to LUV sometime |
| 22:24.35 | streuner | PerfDave: cafuego is cafuego |
| 22:24.36 | bob2 | or *cough*LCA*cough* |
| 22:24.43 | inc|freaky | thx :D |
| 22:25.04 | cafuego | bob2: When was LCA again? |
| 22:25.16 | EvanCarroll | !LCA |
| 22:25.16 | dpkg | i guess lca is Linux Conference of Australia, aka linux.conf.au. The next LCA being held is Perth (Australia) between Jan the 22nd and 25th, 2003. See http://www.linux.conf.au/ for more details. Note: There is a debian Mini-Conf being held on Jan the 20th and 21st at the same venue, see http://www.debconf.org/lca2003/ for more details. ... |
| 22:25.31 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 22:25.32 | bob2 | hah |
| 22:25.36 | cafuego | That factoid *may* be slightly out of date. |
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| 22:25.47 | simonrvn | a *weeeee* bit |
| 22:25.48 | EvanCarroll | agreed but parse the url |
| 22:25.56 | ph0 | i wanna signup 4 a dev list from spain 4 translating packages, so i have received a email from linux@list.linuxmail.org |
| 22:25.57 | ph0 | can i post now, or the manager of the translation group should give me work and access to the list??? |
| 22:26.00 | EvanCarroll | http://www.debconf.org/lca2005/ ? |
| 22:26.02 | EvanCarroll | lol |
| 22:26.02 | EvanCarroll | still usefull |
| 22:26.08 | ph0 | xD |
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| 22:26.33 | simonrvn | ph0: how about you ask *them*, hmm? |
| 22:26.35 | cafuego | !no, lca is Linux Conference of Australia, aka linux.conf.au. See http://www.linux.conf.au/ The next one is will be held at the Australian National University in Canberra from Monday April 18 to Saturday April 23, 2005. |
| 22:26.48 | EvanCarroll | !lca |
| 22:26.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, lca is Linux Conference of Australia, aka linux.conf.au. The next LCA being held is Perth (Australia) between Jan the 22nd and 25th, 2003. See http://www.linux.conf.au/ for more details. Note: There is a debian Mini-Conf being held on Jan the 20th and 21st at the same venue, see http://www.debconf.org/lca2003/ for more details. ... |
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| 22:26.56 | PerfDave | !botmsg |
| 22:26.56 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 22:27.02 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 22:27.04 | cafuego | '!no' is broken. |
| 22:27.07 | bob2 | dpkg, no, LCA is the national australian linux conference, aka linux.conf.au. The next LCA is in Canberra (Australia) between april 18th and 23rd, 2005. See http://www.linux.conf.au/ for mroe details. The Debian miniconf is on the 18th and 19th. |
| 22:27.07 | dpkg | bob2: okay |
| 22:27.17 | streuner | here we go... |
| 22:27.19 | simonrvn | oh great |
| 22:27.26 | simonrvn | s/mroe/more/ |
| 22:27.28 | ph0 | arrrgghh cause they dont' reply to my m41L! :( |
| 22:27.30 | ph0 | xDD |
| 22:27.31 | Vme | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.10.022305.2, but I thought the version is 2.6.10.022805.1 |
| 22:27.37 | streuner | hm, !blah doesn't work only dpkg, blah |
| 22:27.39 | Vme | how do i get rid of this message? |
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| 22:27.43 | cafuego | Well, it at least won't interfere with the trip to Malaysia. |
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| 22:27.51 | _rene_ | Vme: clean. |
| 22:27.52 | bob2 | Vme: make-kpkg clean |
| 22:27.56 | simonrvn | ph0: how are *we* supposed to know what goes on on some obscure list? |
| 22:28.05 | PerfDave | "m41L"? |
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| 22:28.16 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 22:28.20 | PerfDave | ph0: Please drop the l337 |
| 22:28.24 | ph0 | sorry :S |
| 22:28.31 | cafuego | PerfDave: He seems to have severla '4' keys scattered across the keyboatd 4t rand4m. |
| 22:28.35 | simonrvn | you look stupid doing leetspeak seriously |
| 22:28.47 | ph0 | ok |
| 22:28.52 | PerfDave | cafuego: 4w350m3 |
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| 22:29.04 | paulswm | l33t si teh suck |
| 22:29.05 | cafuego | oh sh4t, it's con4ageos |
| 22:29.45 | doneill | :x ;/ |
| 22:29.52 | doneill | none of this :wq trash |
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| 22:29.58 | PerfDave | cafuego: ITYM <0n74g30u5 |
| 22:29.59 | cafuego | That's the fi4st irc vi4us i've se4n i4ssi be vulne4able to |
| 22:30.25 | Vme | cool |
| 22:30.27 | Vme | thanks! |
| 22:30.28 | sunrunner20 | does debain include any utilitys for taking advantage of my Mobile cpu? |
| 22:30.43 | cafuego | sunrunner20: apt-get install laptop-mode |
| 22:30.44 | valdyn_ | sunrunner20: lots |
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| 22:30.50 | caphuso | sunrunner20: setiathome |
| 22:30.52 | streuner | That's we learn today, its a different thingie when somebody do the same ;-) |
| 22:30.58 | PerfDave | sunrunner20: I believe that directhex has some special pentium-M optimised packages ;) |
| 22:31.02 | sunrunner20 | what listing is it under? |
| 22:31.04 | k1k1 | my is mplayer is error is mplayer:relocation error:/usr/lib/libavcoderc.so.0 what is error ooo what is solution |
| 22:31.07 | ph0 | does anyone now how can i start translating?? |
| 22:31.08 | sunrunner20 | its celeron M |
| 22:31.12 | doneill | simonrvn, you mean M0TH3R |
| 22:31.17 | doneill | spam > * |
| 22:31.21 | simonrvn | heh |
| 22:31.24 | cafuego | sunrunner20: There's various cpu speed scaling tolls.. but your BEST bet it to get a real cpu. |
| 22:31.39 | sunrunner20 | it is a celeron mobile, in reality |
| 22:31.41 | valdyn_ | !tell k1k1 about marillat |
| 22:31.43 | doneill | am i the only person here who gets literally >40spams in their company e-mail a *day*? |
| 22:31.46 | doneill | with ads like that? |
| 22:31.59 | cafuego | doneill: Propably. i get *way* more then 40. |
| 22:32.00 | PerfDave | doneill: apt-get install spamassassin |
| 22:32.12 | mirak | if /sbin/* applications are 755, what prevent a user to run them with root privileges ? What is the mecanism ? |
| 22:32.17 | doneill | PerfDave, not my job, heh. |
| 22:32.27 | bob2 | mirak: programs run with the priveleges of the user running them |
| 22:32.28 | doneill | although... |
| 22:32.28 | daww | 1. I open a PROGRAM in bash from XFree86 2. When the program is opened the bash is not responding until the PROGRAM is closed down. How can I open programs and still use the bash in XFree86? |
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| 22:32.33 | distempr | apt-get install In33dv14gr4 |
| 22:32.35 | bob2 | mirak: unless they're setuid, which they are mostly not |
| 22:32.36 | doneill | i could setup some postfix stuffs |
| 22:32.42 | caphuso | mirak: if ( UID !=0 ) { } |
| 22:32.43 | doneill | hehe dis |
| 22:32.46 | mirak | bob2: what I mean, is |
| 22:32.46 | PerfDave | daww: Start the programs with something else. |
| 22:32.48 | valdyn_ | sunrunner20: which kernel are you running? |
| 22:32.51 | mirak | caphuso: ok |
| 22:32.53 | doneill | distempr > a pickle |
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| 22:32.54 | cafuego | the server rejects about 1200 spams a day outright |
| 22:33.03 | distempr | This one time... |
| 22:33.04 | Xenguy | daww: do -> command & |
| 22:33.05 | PerfDave | daww: Most window managers should have a way of launching a program from a menu, or from a "temporary" command line process. |
| 22:33.08 | doneill | i can too. |
| 22:33.10 | bob2 | I reject dozens based just on the source IP |
| 22:33.14 | bob2 | which makes me feel dirty |
| 22:33.15 | mirak | caphuso: where comes this UID variable ? |
| 22:33.18 | cafuego | doneill: Yes, just add a few regexes to header_checks |
| 22:33.18 | Xenguy | daww: this should 'background' the job |
| 22:33.50 | bob2 | but cuts my spam by 80% |
| 22:33.50 | distempr | bob2: you are dirty... |
| 22:33.50 | doneill | i reject based on reverse dns on my personal server |
| 22:33.50 | mirak | caphuso: how can a C programm get the uid ? |
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| 22:33.51 | doneill | dirty, dirty boy.. |
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| 22:33.51 | distempr | Disallowing based on address...!!!! |
| 22:33.51 | slak- | hey |
| 22:33.51 | caphuso | mirak: getuid etc. |
| 22:33.51 | bob2 | distempr: please stop it |
| 22:33.51 | cafuego | mirak: man 2 getuid |
| 22:33.51 | mirak | caphuso: is that a constant or a fonction |
| 22:33.51 | mirak | caphuso: ok |
| 22:33.51 | caphuso | mirak: yes |
| 22:33.52 | slak- | non-x11 version of ethereal? |
| 22:33.56 | distempr | bob2: ? |
| 22:34.01 | bob2 | slak-: tethereal? |
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| 22:34.04 | doneill | distempr, block 216.0/8, 66.0/8, etc... |
| 22:34.12 | bob2 | dude |
| 22:34.13 | doneill | :) good fun. |
| 22:34.15 | el | hello all, just wondering....how do i edit what gets started at boot, i wana get rid of things like new hardware detection and such? |
| 22:34.19 | bob2 | no way does anyone block /8's |
| 22:34.20 | valdyn_ | slak-: tcpdump? |
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| 22:34.31 | doneill | trust me, i've been tempted. |
| 22:34.33 | daww | Xenguy, Ok, give me an example of open mozilla with this |
| 22:34.37 | bob2 | el: sysv-rc-conf, or rcconf or update-rc.d or rm in /etc/rc2.d/ or ... |
| 22:34.40 | doneill | like, allow *specific* ips, ban all others. |
| 22:34.42 | cafuego | bob2: 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 22:34.45 | bob2 | hah |
| 22:34.50 | Xenguy | daww: mozilla & |
| 22:34.55 | bob2 | 10.0.0.0/8 is my vpn which my mail server relays for |
| 22:34.57 | slak- | i have a problem with my openvpn setup..anyone experienced? |
| 22:35.04 | slak- | a routing issue |
| 22:35.10 | cafuego | bob2: Mine is 10.x.x.0/24 |
| 22:35.11 | bob2 | use tinc! |
| 22:35.17 | daww | Xenguy, Thanks =), worked great |
| 22:35.21 | slak- | roadwarriors get an IP address but cant ping private lan machines, only the private lan gw |
| 22:35.22 | Xenguy | daww: yw |
| 22:35.23 | bob2 | cafuego: yeah, I was lazy and handed out /16's to each node |
| 22:35.30 | slak- | private lan machines and gw can ping roadwarriors |
| 22:35.48 | bob2 | slak-: sounds like the routes/firewall on the gateway are wrong |
| 22:35.50 | cafuego | I don't need 16million IPs on the lan. |
| 22:35.54 | distempr | cafuego: I feel ... so ... trashy ... |
| 22:36.01 | EvanCarroll | slak-: type 'route add default gw IP_OF_GATEWAY' |
| 22:36.06 | doneill | like oscar? :< |
| 22:36.14 | distempr | No he was grouchy. |
| 22:36.21 | slak- | bob2: the biggest suggestion was to add a route back to vpn ip range on all private machines |
| 22:36.28 | slak- | and im not sure how to do that |
| 22:36.30 | doneill | oh, more like... paris hilton? :< |
| 22:36.31 | bob2 | slak-: ouch |
| 22:36.39 | distempr | I've been /ignored like paris hilton. |
| 22:36.41 | bob2 | doneill: distempr try to stay on-topic please |
| 22:36.43 | slak- | when i try to route add i get some invalid responce from route |
| 22:36.50 | slak- | something like network doesnt match interface |
| 22:36.51 | distempr | bob2: sure, what's the topic? |
| 22:36.56 | distempr | #debian? |
| 22:36.57 | slak- | or gateway incorrect for network |
| 22:36.58 | bob2 | distempr: Debian |
| 22:37.00 | cafuego | slak-: No, you just add a route to the range vpn on the main router. |
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| 22:37.11 | bob2 | slak-: you don't need a route on every machine, just on the gateway |
| 22:37.14 | doneill | i use debian to look up paris hilton photos... |
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| 22:37.27 | bob2 | doneill: enough |
| 22:37.29 | EvanCarroll | odd problem -- never heard of it. |
| 22:37.35 | cafuego | doneill: Need help vomiting up lunch? |
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| 22:38.05 | daww | When I start Linux the autoprobing stops if my USB mouse is pluged, how can i solve this (I can use the mouse if I plug when Xfree86 is loaded)? |
| 22:38.09 | doneill | cafuego, uh, yeah, what you said |
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| 22:38.35 | n3o_X | testing doesnt have php5 support yet? |
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| 22:38.52 | cafuego | n3o_X: Nor will it ever. |
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| 22:39.07 | cafuego | n3o_X: You probably don't _need_ php5 anyway. |
| 22:39.08 | distempr | heh... off I go to play tetris in emacs. |
| 22:39.13 | n3o_X | y? its out and good? it will never bee in debian? |
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| 22:39.26 | cafuego | ph0: Stop /msg'ing me. |
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| 22:39.26 | stew | n3o_X: not at least until after sarge releases |
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| 22:39.31 | PerfDave | Testing may have php5, but Sarge won't. |
| 22:39.49 | bob2 | php5 isn't even in sid yet |
| 22:39.58 | bob2 | ph0: stop /msg'ing me |
| 22:40.01 | ph0 | sorry |
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| 22:40.04 | Tabitha | ph0: message me! ;) |
| 22:40.08 | n3o_X | :( damn |
| 22:40.08 | ph0 | :S |
| 22:40.09 | Tabitha | (no please don't) |
| 22:40.12 | ph0 | sorry sorry |
| 22:40.20 | daww | Why is Linux stop loading when my USB mouse i pluged? |
| 22:40.23 | cafuego | n3o_X: Why do you think you need php5? Coz it's newer? |
| 22:40.32 | n3o_X | for some development |
| 22:40.34 | calin | daww: I had the same problem |
| 22:40.37 | manolo | holas |
| 22:40.46 | ph0 | hola manolo |
| 22:40.54 | manolo | que tal |
| 22:40.56 | ph0 | mal |
| 22:41.03 | manolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.07 | ph0 | creen q soy 1 lammer tio |
| 22:41.08 | daww | calin, ok, I stick with an old PS2 mouse as long... |
| 22:41.12 | manolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.17 | ph0 | oye no sabras |
| 22:41.23 | calin | daww: sorry |
| 22:41.25 | ph0 | m he suscrito |
| 22:41.33 | ph0 | a la lista de traduccion de debian |
| 22:41.37 | ph0 | aber si traduzco algo tio |
| 22:41.40 | valdyn_ | daww: you can avoid autoprobiing it by adding the modules for it into /etc/modules, no idea if that would solve your problem though |
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| 22:41.56 | manolo | no, tio, ni idea... tal solo estoy probando lo de x-chat |
| 22:42.03 | ph0 | ah oks |
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| 22:42.12 | manolo | y res mes, |
| 22:42.13 | Tabitha | !es |
| 22:42.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:42.16 | ph0 | esq el canal #debian-es esta muerto tio |
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| 22:42.29 | ph0 | no habla ni peter el berbenas |
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| 22:42.31 | conffrey | can anybody help me about acpi? I can't unserstand if my hw is supported or not |
| 22:42.39 | bob2 | conffrey: how old is it? |
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| 22:43.03 | distempr | ok i'm back, has anyone had problems with the promise sx4 raid controller in jbod mode? |
| 22:43.03 | xam | russo: please stop /msg'ing me, for the second time |
| 22:43.04 | ph0 | woops |
| 22:43.05 | ph0 | :S |
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| 22:43.35 | valdyn_ | distempr: someone solved a problem with this controller yesterday by adding pci=routeirq to his kernel options |
| 22:43.39 | www | Hay alguien que hable en castellano??? |
| 22:43.47 | xam | !tell russo about msg |
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| 22:44.14 | valdyn_ | distempr: but that depends on your kernel version and uh.. |
| 22:44.39 | maketo | is there a way to tell Pine to use local Gnumeric to view .xls files? |
| 22:44.43 | Skaag | I think I will build and program a robotic arm that massages my neck while I code... |
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| 22:45.06 | conffrey | bob2 : I don't kow now; I enabled it with acpi=force |
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| 22:45.07 | alus | what's the command to redirect stdout and stderr to a file? |
| 22:45.09 | daww | valdyn_, ok, what should I add in /etc/modules, I run 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 22:45.11 | distempr | valdyn_: thanks for the pointer, completely forgot to try that. |
| 22:45.14 | PerfDave | maketo: #pine? |
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| 22:45.17 | ph0 | www yo |
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| 22:45.30 | maketo | PerfDave : ah, yes, that would work |
| 22:45.32 | valdyn_ | maketo: /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap |
| 22:45.34 | bob2 | maketo: not if you're running it over ssh |
| 22:45.44 | bob2 | conffrey: er |
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| 22:46.02 | maketo | bob2: not with ssh -X |
| 22:46.07 | maketo | bob2 : ? |
| 22:46.09 | valdyn_ | daww: not sure, guess one for you usb controller, one for your mouse, ( lsmod can give you a clue ) |
| 22:46.23 | prahal | hi http://master.debian.org/~ajt/oldbugs.html is buggy , should i bug www.debian.org or bugs.debian.org ? (it includes bugs for package removed from the archive, archived bugs ... making it hard to find real bugs) |
| 22:46.24 | setnf | cafuego: ok. i already install the package on my editor i can see the fixed font... but on xchat this font wasnt showed why ? |
| 22:46.39 | valdyn_ | !usb mouse |
| 22:46.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
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| 22:47.02 | conffrey | bob2, when I do acpi -V, I obtain only No support for device type: thermal |
| 22:47.06 | valdyn_ | !usbmouse |
| 22:47.07 | dpkg | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use device /dev/input/mice, ... |
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| 22:47.34 | valdyn_ | daww: obviously hid,mousedev and your usb controllers driver |
| 22:48.25 | oigres | I've got two computers on a network. I want to transfer all my evolution2.0 data from one to the other. What should I do? I've tried copying the directory .evolution from one to the other and it doesn't work... |
| 22:48.38 | bob2 | prahal: email aj |
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| 22:48.52 | setnf | bob2: ok. i already install the package on my editor i can see the fixed font... but on xchat this font wasnt showed why ? |
| 22:48.56 | bob2 | maketo: how fast is your link to that machine? ssh -X is painful unless it's a lan |
| 22:49.01 | bob2 | setnf: bleh |
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| 22:49.11 | bob2 | because xchat uses fontconfig which uses the paths in /etc/fonts/ |
| 22:49.58 | prahal | thanks bob2 ... i did not though that it was a developper page (not on people.debian ...) |
| 22:50.01 | setnf | and how can i allow more fonts on xchat ? |
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| 22:50.57 | oigres | I've got two computers on a network. I want to transfer all my evolution2.0 data from one to the other. What should I do? I've tried copying the directory .evolution from one to the other and it doesn't work... |
| 22:50.58 | valdyn_ | setnf: apt-get install <fontspackage> |
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| 22:51.32 | PerfDave | !tell oigres -about repeat |
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| 22:51.47 | PerfDave | oigres: Try strace on evolution to see what files in $HOME it tries to read? |
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| 22:52.12 | valdyn_ | oigres: that should do it, did you really copy that directory? to the right place? |
| 22:52.18 | oigres | PerfDave: OK mate. That's probably a good idea. |
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| 22:52.43 | oigres | valdyn_: sure, i've done that. Everything is where it is supposed to be. |
| 22:52.56 | bob2 | prahal: ah |
| 22:53.01 | atbash | hey everyone, just installed debian, now up and running :-D |
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| 22:53.37 | atbash | however some sound issues need to be resolved :-s any help available? |
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| 22:53.57 | prahal | atbash: depends , just yell your problem :) |
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| 22:54.05 | maccadam | atbash: just ask :) |
| 22:54.07 | prahal | in the wild |
| 22:54.38 | bluefox83 | i have a package that is stuck, i have tried to install it and remove it and all exit with an error 10, does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 22:55.09 | atbash | well, i have a msi platinum nforce4 mobo, it has an integrated soundchip, i cannot get it to work :-s |
| 22:55.35 | atbash | i've been told i need snd_ca0106 |
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| 22:55.45 | maccadam | atbash: what does lsmod return? |
| 22:55.52 | valdyn_ | atbash: try alsaconf |
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| 22:56.18 | valdyn_ | !alsa |
| 22:56.18 | dpkg | well, alsa is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
| 22:56.25 | Quarupt | Is there a safe easy way to resize a partition? |
| 22:56.33 | cafuego | Quarupt: no. |
| 22:56.38 | atbash | i've run alsaconf, it detects my soundcard, but it ain't working |
| 22:56.47 | Quarupt | I wanna resize my /home part, cause i wanna make room for an Ubuntu intsall |
| 22:56.56 | Quarupt | So there is no way to resize a partition? |
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| 22:57.04 | valdyn_ | atbash: ain't working is no error description we can use.. |
| 22:57.04 | atbash | dmesg: CA0106: probe of 0000:01:0d.0 failed with error -5 |
| 22:57.06 | cafuego | Quarupt: that's nice, but doesn't influence the avilability of software. |
| 22:57.10 | maccadam | atbash: can you get your sound card to crank if you're working as root? |
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| 22:57.21 | valdyn_ | atbash: you may have oss sound modules loaded |
| 22:57.48 | Quarupt | So what if i just delete my /home partition? will that screw everything all up? |
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| 22:58.00 | atbash | valdyn_: snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm_oss |
| 22:58.11 | valdyn_ | atbash: thats part of alsa |
| 22:58.11 | distempr | hrrm 2.6.9 doesn't do pci=routeirq.. :( |
| 22:58.32 | Quarupt | can i relocate my /home directory to one of the other partitions? |
| 22:58.33 | al_ | hi, i'm having problems with pcmcia : "cs: unable to map card memory!" |
| 22:58.38 | maccadam | atbash: that's oss emulation |
| 22:58.39 | Bekar | how can I change the console text-mode? it defaults to 80x30, and using rdev doesn't stick.. |
| 22:58.42 | valdyn_ | atbash: cat /proc/asound/version |
| 22:58.44 | atbash | cat /proc/asound/cards --> --- no soundcards --- |
| 22:58.45 | doneill | 2.6.10 so does |
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| 22:59.04 | atbash | valdyn_: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.8. |
| 22:59.25 | atbash | valdyn_: i've removed alsa from kernel |
| 22:59.29 | Bekar | sorry, the lilo.conf vga= doesn't stick.. |
| 23:00.13 | Bekar | Quarupt: yes. there's nothing stopping you from moving it anywhere, so long as the resultant /home/ points to the right place |
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| 23:00.35 | valdyn_ | atbash: looks to me like eitehr your specific chip is not supported or your bios settings manage to make it not work |
| 23:01.05 | cafuego | atbash: it may just be too new. |
| 23:01.11 | atbash | valdyn_: i got it working yesterday in gentoo |
| 23:01.42 | EvanCarroll | hahaha |
| 23:01.44 | EvanCarroll | something working in gentoo |
| 23:01.46 | EvanCarroll | !funny |
| 23:01.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
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| 23:01.49 | charles_ | how would I bind tab in bitchx? |
| 23:01.55 | atbash | see also http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg03662.html |
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| 23:02.22 | Quarupt | ? |
| 23:02.22 | Quarupt | can i make my /home which is currently on its own partion back up somewhere else, then use all the free space after i delete it to make 2 smaller parts and remount one of the smaller parts as my /home and use the other one for another distro? |
| 23:02.23 | bluefox83 | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 23:02.42 | atbash | dmesg: ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/alsa-kernel/pci/ac97/ac97_codec.c:1916: AC'97 0 access is not valid [0x0], removing mixer. |
| 23:02.47 | bluefox83 | i have a package that will not install or remove correctly..dpkg is not helping any =( |
| 23:03.10 | bluefox83 | bootsplash is being a pain in the arse |
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| 23:03.26 | EvanCarroll | atbash: are you having alsa problems? |
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| 23:03.40 | atbash | EvanCarroll: yes i do |
| 23:03.44 | valdyn_ | atbash: gentoos alsa might be patched, this is hard to tell from here |
| 23:03.57 | EvanCarroll | atbash: when you cat urandom to /dev/dsp do you hear noise? |
| 23:04.04 | valdyn_ | atbash: rather, contain different patches than debians alsa |
| 23:04.05 | prahal | bluefox83: http://www.latinomixed.com/downloads/debian-embelisher/README |
| 23:04.45 | atbash | i don't have /dev/dsp |
| 23:04.45 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:05.00 | prahal | EvanCarr1ll: the driver does not load cat /proc/asound/cards --> --- no soundcards --- |
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| 23:05.08 | paskharen | i have a very annoying problem with the text in firefox |
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| 23:05.20 | paskharen | it sort of gets cut off sometimes |
| 23:05.22 | paskharen | http://img68.exs.cx/img68/833/fonproblem0wv.png |
| 23:05.27 | valdyn_ | atbash: you can use gentoos kernel in debian |
| 23:05.36 | atbash | EvanCarroll: dmesg CA0106: probe of 0000:01:0d.0 failed with error -5 |
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| 23:05.56 | bluefox83 | prahal, that's nice, but it wont get bootsplash out of my f-ing apt repository and let me download the things i need.. |
| 23:06.20 | bluefox83 | it's making it so *nothing* else can be installed or removed =9 |
| 23:06.20 | atbash | valdyn_: well i've removed gentoo... |
| 23:06.23 | EvanCarroll | atbash: hrm sounds like a discover problem. type lspci -v | grep -i 'sound' |
| 23:06.24 | bluefox83 | :( |
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| 23:06.35 | EvanCarroll | err rather grep for multimedia |
| 23:06.56 | inc|freaky | hi all. i got a problem with internet access. since today (i guess after upgrading pppd?) after i boot up, it doesnt connect to my dial-up dsl provider. when i run pppoeconf and press ENTER everywhere, typing in the pass, and leave everything unchanged, it dials up and is connected. when i reboot, it doesnt work anymore. |
| 23:06.58 | EvanCarroll | see what hw address it has make sure thats the one listed in the probe error output |
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| 23:07.05 | Hamled | how would I bind tab in bitchx? |
| 23:07.05 | inc|freaky | also pon and poff dont work after a reboot, after using pppoeconf they work |
| 23:07.06 | prahal | > dmesg: CA0106: probe of 0000:01:0d.0 failed with error -5 : did you tell that under gentoo loading this driver worked (or you don't know which chip it was detecting but it was working ?) |
| 23:07.09 | inc|freaky | what can this be caused by? |
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| 23:07.14 | atbash | EvanCarroll: 0000:01:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS |
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| 23:07.27 | valdyn_ | atbash: that's no reason not to use it, but uh, if you object like this then installing it on debian will probably to much of a hassle for you anyway |
| 23:07.53 | bluefox83 | how do you clear out a broken package that's stuck in apt? |
| 23:08.05 | bluefox83 | apt-get -f install wont even work =( |
| 23:08.09 | prahal | bluefox83: ? dpkg -P package, and removing bootsplash from your sources.list (botosplash is not in sid |
| 23:08.46 | bluefox83 | prahal, same problem, still says it can't be removed.. |
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| 23:09.15 | prahal | bluefox83: afaik dpkg -P --force-all may help ... but did you overwrite /etc/init.d/rc while upgrading sysvinit one time ? (botosplash will try to remove the code hit added in it |
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| 23:09.28 | prahal | bluefox83: can you paste the error in #flood |
| 23:09.40 | EvanCarroll | atbash: got me i would look into adding it without discover =/ or a manual add |
| 23:10.16 | EvanCarroll | i imagine there is some way to add a card into alsa if you know the hw location |
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| 23:10.44 | atbash | EvanCarroll: can you clarify a bit please :-s |
| 23:10.46 | EvanCarroll | either that or make sure you have the module for the create labs sb audigy either baked in or compiled as a module into the kernel |
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| 23:10.51 | simonrvn | who says you can't deliver straight to hotmail? ;) "...H=mx1.hotmail.com [65.54.252.99] C="250..." |
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| 23:11.29 | bluefox83 | prahal, i pasted it, you see it/ |
| 23:11.29 | bluefox83 | ? |
| 23:11.49 | EvanCarroll | atbash: it would apear as if discover shits out when it scands the pci slot your card is located in, i would either check to make sure that cards module is compiled into the kernel... or... find a way to manually map a card to a hardware location |
| 23:12.17 | inc|freaky | i dont get any error message. :( |
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| 23:12.45 | al_ | i'm having problems with pcmcia : "cs: unable to map card memory!" |
| 23:13.07 | atbash | EvanCarroll: i've heard the module will be availabe in kernel 2.6.11 |
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| 23:13.51 | EvanCarroll | go get 2.6.10, apply 2.6.11-rc3, and 2.6.11-mm2 |
| 23:13.56 | EvanCarroll | its probably already in it |
| 23:14.15 | EvanCarroll | err they are up to -rc5 |
| 23:14.19 | EvanCarroll | just get that then =D |
| 23:15.06 | EvanCarroll | go and download from kernel.org the 2.6.10 vinallah, then patch it with 2.6.11-rc5 |
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| 23:15.23 | EvanCarroll | and when you make it check for the module or the module's status |
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| 23:15.58 | Glitch_Master | Heya, has anyone here had success in installing WineX/Cedega? |
| 23:16.12 | EvanCarroll | ... |
| 23:16.12 | EvanCarroll | !ask |
| 23:16.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 23:16.36 | atbash | EvanCarroll: ok, thx, i'll try that! |
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| 23:16.41 | atbash | i'll keep you posted |
| 23:16.48 | simonrvn | Glitch_Master: no, never. not even people who use it/them |
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| 23:16.54 | Glitch_Master | I just wanted to know if somebody has even successfully installed it on Debian... I've come across two errors near the end of the compile. |
| 23:17.03 | Gnurdux | someone should make a bot named apt0cache |
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| 23:17.15 | EvanCarroll | ... just use the apt package |
| 23:17.16 | Gnurdux | that would run apt-cache on someones computer |
| 23:17.20 | EvanCarroll | works fine for me |
| 23:17.21 | Gnurdux | so someone could go |
| 23:17.26 | Glitch_Master | Evan, this is winex, not WINE. |
| 23:17.27 | Gnurdux | /msg apt-cache dump |
| 23:17.39 | Gnurdux | and the would be flooded with every package in Debian Sid |
| 23:17.39 | EvanCarroll | Glitch_Master: then get the debs off transgaming's site |
| 23:17.44 | EvanCarroll | also works fine for me |
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| 23:17.58 | Glitch_Master | Evan, they have those? Oh. |
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| 23:18.06 | atbash | EvanCarroll: why the vanilla kernel? |
| 23:18.08 | Glitch_Master | I've been trying source for days... |
| 23:18.33 | simonrvn | fucking troll... (Gnurdux). didn't even what s/he was talking about... |
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| 23:19.32 | A-abc | is htb enabled in the default 2.6.8 kernel image? |
| 23:19.34 | EvanCarroll | atbash: thats just how kernel.org works, they release one kernel every minor version number and then you apply patches to it untill you reach the next minor version number, those in development only download the 2.6.10 vanilla kernel once, then they download the -rcX patch, then if they work on MM/BK/AC they download the appropriate patch for that |
| 23:20.09 | atbash | i can't apply the patch on the debian kernel source? |
| 23:20.30 | EvanCarroll | Glitch_Master: yes transgaming releases in deb/tar/rpm |
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| 23:20.34 | simonrvn | A-abc: no |
| 23:20.48 | EvanCarroll | atbash: probably not. it woulden't be a good idea |
| 23:21.02 | atbash | ok |
| 23:21.05 | A-abc | simonrvn: what about 2.6.9 or 2.6.10? |
| 23:21.13 | Glitch_Master | Oh, of course! You can apt-get any debian package, huh? |
| 23:21.14 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:21.28 | Glitch_Master | It doesn't have to be on the default server? |
| 23:21.30 | simonrvn | why would it? |
| 23:21.38 | A-abc | simonrvn: are you sure? |
| 23:21.57 | EvanCarroll | atbash: debian freezes the kernels at every minor version number and twinks them further, then they release them, now after 5rcs of 2.6.11 i would imagine that all of debians patches/fixes have been included into the kernel =/ |
| 23:22.00 | simonrvn | 90% sure for 2.6.10 |
| 23:22.10 | A-abc | simonrvn: because i knew that in the latest kernel releases htb is enabled by default (M) |
| 23:22.15 | A-abc | hmmm |
| 23:22.29 | A-abc | what about the rest of 10%?:) |
| 23:22.53 | simonrvn | you asked about debian kernels. i didn't see it. it may be that i missed it, or that it isn't. |
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| 23:23.31 | EvanCarroll | Glitch_Master: the transgamming .debs must be downloaded from their site, it's commercial software |
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| 23:24.29 | intero | apt-get upgrade says some pkgs cannot be authenticated. why is that? |
| 23:24.37 | stew | A-abc: HTB is definately a module included in debian's 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 23:26.10 | jerome | intero: aren't you running apt from experimental ? |
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| 23:26.26 | Zta | What nice diff tools are there that visually present differences i directory structures like Total Commander does? |
| 23:26.32 | Glitch_Master | Transgaming doesn't publicly release a .deb package. Where can I find one? |
| 23:26.53 | intero | jerome: let me check :P |
| 23:27.23 | jibarz | hi, i'm a spanish boy and my english is very bad, but, i have a problem compiling the i2c module, i explain it |
| 23:27.31 | Glitch_Master | Wait... I might be able to find them. |
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| 23:27.47 | Glitch_Master | Evan, they don't publicly list the location, though. |
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| 23:28.12 | xerophyte | does anybody do know why does directory have I in the lsattr ----------I-- //sbin ??? |
| 23:28.20 | Thaiger | When I try to apt-get anything today or apt-get update I get Err 302 Found, any advice? |
| 23:28.21 | jibarz | deadlock:/usr/src/modules/i2c# make |
| 23:28.27 | jibarz | and the error is |
| 23:28.35 | Glitch_Master | EvanCarroll... (Sorry) They don't publicly list the location. |
| 23:28.39 | xerophyte | does anybody do know why does directory have I in the lsattr ----------I-- //sbin ??? |
| 23:28.45 | jibarz | make: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/build/include/linux/modversions.h', necesario para `kernel/i2c-pport.d'. Alto. |
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| 23:29.23 | jstevens | !es |
| 23:29.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:29.31 | jibarz | the /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-k7/build/include/linux/modversions.h not exists |
| 23:29.37 | jibarz | ah |
| 23:29.43 | intero | jerome: i think you are right. thanks, i'll fix that |
| 23:29.45 | jibarz | xDDD |
| 23:29.50 | jibarz | cias dpkg |
| 23:29.50 | jibarz | xDDD |
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| 23:30.08 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: you have to pay |
| 23:30.12 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: then they give you the .deb |
| 23:30.30 | Glitch_Master | bob2: to hell with that. |
| 23:30.38 | bob2 | then no winex for you |
| 23:30.50 | Glitch_Master | I don't have a credit card. I'll find a way to compile. |
| 23:30.53 | Glitch_Master | I'm close. Just one error. |
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| 23:31.09 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: There's additional stuff not in the source. |
| 23:31.15 | Biovore | yeah.. winex and crossoffice are comerical software.. try BT |
| 23:31.17 | Glitch_Master | I don't need the pointer crap.... |
| 23:31.20 | KirbyMeister | winex: also known as Let's Steal MIT-Licenced Code |
| 23:31.30 | Biovore | lol |
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| 23:31.57 | bob2 | as much as we all hate transgaming, copyright infringement is OT |
| 23:31.59 | A-abc | is there a way i could obtain a mega patch file that should contain p-o-m, l7filter, img,esfg? |
| 23:31.59 | Glitch_Master | Biovore: Winex is the only one that will near-flawlessly render Windows DirectX-based games and such. |
| 23:32.16 | Biovore | yup |
| 23:32.17 | bob2 | so build it from CVS if you can (tho it misses some stuff), but no discussion of downloading |
| 23:32.19 | cafuego | A-abc: yep. cat *.diff > mega.patch |
| 23:32.41 | KirbyMeister | yeah. No torrent site links |
| 23:32.59 | doneill | transexualgaming... |
| 23:33.03 | doneill | bloody crooks. |
| 23:33.04 | Biovore | rofl |
| 23:33.05 | Glitch_Master | bob2: The CVS issue has a lot of problems. |
| 23:33.14 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 23:33.27 | Glitch_Master | Unfortunately, I'm hitting an error no matter what I do. Different if WINE is or isn't installed first. |
| 23:33.28 | bob2 | but if you don't like it, fix LGPL wine or pay for winex |
| 23:33.34 | KirbyMeister | WhineX: 20% more |
| 23:33.34 | doneill | i stopped supporting them altogether |
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| 23:33.44 | doneill | nah, i just directly donate to OpenKnights |
| 23:33.45 | Glitch_Master | bob2: "LGPL" wine? |
| 23:33.53 | KirbyMeister | Glitch_Master: Official wine |
| 23:33.56 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: www.winehq.com is under the LGPL now |
| 23:34.00 | Glitch_Master | Oh. That. |
| 23:34.04 | doneill | the only reason i'd ever use wine; Aurora, and since they're developing NeverEdit, there's no need. |
| 23:34.04 | bob2 | to stop transgaming doing this shit again |
| 23:34.13 | Biovore | your better of supporting people like icculus then transgaming.. |
| 23:34.20 | Glitch_Master | Wait... I thought this was built by the creators of WINE... |
| 23:34.21 | doneill | yeah, bangon. |
| 23:34.26 | doneill | icculus could use donations |
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| 23:34.30 | mwilson | Ok, inkscape's maintainer has gone insane now... |
| 23:34.35 | doneill | poor sod only makes a piddly $250k/y |
| 23:34.35 | PerfDave | I was going to purchase Cedega to play my old Windows games. |
| 23:34.35 | KirbyMeister | bob2: Wait till PHP has it's source stolen |
| 23:34.42 | Biovore | his work on ut2k4 was excelent |
| 23:34.50 | doneill | pfft |
| 23:34.54 | doneill | the mp3 was totally broken |
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| 23:35.00 | KirbyMeister | mwilson: Why? |
| 23:35.00 | doneill | it crashes all over on amd64 |
| 23:35.02 | bob2 | KirbyMeister: no one is going to bother stealing that |
| 23:35.06 | fusion | How can I disconnect this user? mark :0 112.239.21.64 Sat Feb 26 21:56 still logged in |
| 23:35.09 | doneill | downloading was totally broken |
| 23:35.14 | bob2 | and isn't it under a copyleft? |
| 23:35.15 | dondelelcaro | fusion: with slay |
| 23:35.16 | Biovore | yeah.. the windows version dosn't even use 64bit |
| 23:35.20 | KirbyMeister | bob2: I dont think it is |
| 23:35.22 | bob2 | fusion: install 'slay', 'slay mark'. |
| 23:35.28 | Biovore | and the mp3 under windows sucks ass to |
| 23:35.28 | doneill | yeah but it /runs/ the 32bit, thats the diff |
| 23:35.28 | dondelelcaro | fusion: or go do your x-server, and kill it off |
| 23:35.33 | mwilson | KirbyMeister: I'm just reading the changelog here for the latest upload to unstable... |
| 23:35.49 | KirbyMeister | bob2: I would need to see the PHP license to make sure |
| 23:35.50 | doneill | linux amd64, you *must* use the ut2k4 64bit binary |
| 23:35.59 | doneill | it won't even start otherwise, instant segfault |
| 23:36.00 | fusion | Im probably going to get disconnected because I'm logged in as that user too :/ |
| 23:36.08 | Biovore | yeah.. I don't have one of thouse fancy systems yet.. |
| 23:36.11 | mwilson | An NMU for kernel-package... how wonderful... <sigh> |
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| 23:36.17 | KirbyMeister | mwilson: What's the upload changelog say? |
| 23:36.18 | doneill | well, soon you shall my son... |
| 23:36.20 | Glitch_Master | I'd like WINE to have some midi utilities built in... You know... the default GS library and stuff... I loved Anvil Studio, and now I can't use it. I have nothing to compose with. |
| 23:36.24 | doneill | and your life can also be hell, with no benefits. |
| 23:36.25 | Biovore | yup |
| 23:36.27 | doneill | :( |
| 23:36.34 | doneill | it's not much faster, by the way. |
| 23:36.43 | Biovore | takes more ram too |
| 23:36.45 | Biovore | :-( |
| 23:36.55 | mwilson | KirbyMeister: It's not like I'm dumb enough to paste it into the channel... you can read it for yourself. |
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| 23:37.01 | jstevens | fusion: is that user in on SSH, telnet, ftp... etc? |
| 23:37.10 | KirbyMeister | mwilson: Does it say '-everything, +#include <getpr0n.h> int main{ displaypron(); return 0;}' ? |
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| 23:37.23 | MobyTurbo | !ops fiNGer is a porn bot |
| 23:37.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fiNGer is a porn bot |
| 23:37.27 | jerome | I tried to run my starcraft with wine but it ate 100% CPU, the mouse was moving, like ... slowly. |
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| 23:37.33 | jerome | impossible to play |
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| 23:37.35 | mwilson | Damn, my list of locally built packages is growing again... |
| 23:37.41 | *** kick/#debian [fiNGer!foobar@p3E9EDF9D.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
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| 23:37.48 | MobyTurbo | caphuso: thanks |
| 23:37.52 | doneill | i played starcraft in wine for a lawng time. |
| 23:37.55 | sinner | what package is dig part of? |
| 23:38.04 | bob2 | sinner: dnsutils |
| 23:38.06 | doneill | i just had to memorize where the menu buttons were, since it never drew them :/ |
| 23:38.13 | fusion | jstevens, I have *no* idea, all I know is its coming from an "IANA reserved IP" - I do not have ssh running at all, and the only outside access is SMTP |
| 23:38.14 | RichiH | !tell sinner about find |
| 23:38.17 | RichiH | !tell sinner about search |
| 23:38.20 | KirbyMeister | you got games to load in WINE? I'm still waiting for Counter-Strike to work |
| 23:38.35 | RichiH | sinner: that should set you up :) |
| 23:39.05 | RichiH | fusion: i have been poking around a bit. on one of my boxen, all the local logins come from the same a net |
| 23:39.07 | fusion | jstevens, oh and I also have DNS open |
| 23:39.08 | doneill | it does :\ |
| 23:39.10 | RichiH | A net, even |
| 23:39.12 | doneill | i played that a few times too |
| 23:39.22 | fusion | RichiH, the 112 addresses? |
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| 23:39.27 | RichiH | fusion: yah |
| 23:39.32 | jstevens | fusion: try that slay app.. dunno |
| 23:39.32 | Glitch_Master | I miss SimCity 4... |
| 23:39.40 | RichiH | fusion: so perhaps it's some eeevil hack, dunno |
| 23:39.42 | akbg | Hi, anyone with debian sid + amarok? |
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| 23:40.02 | doneill | NWN, baby. |
| 23:40.20 | fusion | RichiH, Oh okay, but I have found a directoryu called /command and I did not make that and it had a lot of weird tools.. I rm -rf'd it which was probably stupid because I could have possibly found out what was up |
| 23:40.20 | doneill | NWN, ET, Q3A, Q2, QW, and umm... FMG (loki, behbeh). |
| 23:40.22 | akbg | If yes, query me. |
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| 23:40.41 | Glitch_Master | I wonder if the Mac Mini has enough resources to run the Mac version of SMC4 decently... |
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| 23:41.04 | bob2 | in MOL it should be ok |
| 23:41.05 | fusion | RichiH, also "tcpspy" was installed, and I definately didnt install that.... |
| 23:41.18 | Glitch_Master | Was that directed at me, bob2? |
| 23:41.25 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: indeed |
| 23:41.27 | Glitch_Master | Ah. |
| 23:41.37 | Glitch_Master | "MOL" is an acronym for something, yes? |
| 23:41.44 | EvanCarroll | !MOL |
| 23:41.45 | dpkg | i heard mol is Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or finally packaged for debian |
| 23:41.46 | simonrvn | !mol |
| 23:41.48 | dpkg | i guess mol is Mac On Linux, a sort of VMWare for PowerPCs or at ftp://ftp.nada.kth.se/pub/home/f95-sry/Public/mac-on-linux/, or finally packaged for debian |
| 23:41.48 | bob2 | mac-on-linux |
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| 23:41.53 | Glitch_Master | Hmmm... |
| 23:41.56 | simonrvn | wth |
| 23:42.03 | EvanCarroll | beat you to it |
| 23:42.03 | RichiH | fusion: hmm, ok |
| 23:42.07 | RichiH | fusion: bad :( |
| 23:42.07 | Glitch_Master | Nifty. |
| 23:42.07 | cafuego | mol works very well indeed. |
| 23:42.14 | cafuego | beats the crap out of vmware. |
| 23:42.28 | simonrvn | no, it should have /msg'd me with someone said that X seconds ago |
| 23:42.29 | RichiH | fusion: you should have created wrapper scripts to mail you when someone executed the files or something |
| 23:42.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: damn straight |
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| 23:42.48 | fusion | RichiH, Yup :< I'm thinking of just wiping / but I think they probably have things in /home |
| 23:43.03 | fusion | RichiH, Yeah :/ I think I'll just reinstall and follow some security thing |
| 23:43.04 | Glitch_Master | Hmmm. |
| 23:43.06 | cafuego | Even the G3 350 runs OS9 at an acceptable speed in mol. |
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| 23:43.15 | flayn|bed | hi, how can i find out, which distribution is running when i'm connected via ssh? |
| 23:43.18 | simonrvn | cafuego: yup ;) |
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| 23:43.26 | RichiH | fusion: tripwire |
| 23:43.27 | alus | MOL does what exactly? lets you run OS9/X on a PowerPC with debian (or linux) installed? |
| 23:43.29 | cafuego | Mind you, that g3 will be surplus to requirements when the iMac mini arrives :-) |
| 23:43.34 | RichiH | fusion: you want tripwire |
| 23:43.36 | bob2 | alus: yes |
| 23:43.44 | bob2 | maybe only OS X these days |
| 23:43.44 | alus | that doesn't seem like an emulator at all |
| 23:43.47 | Glitch_Master | Now, if I could just find a free ISO of the disc... :P |
| 23:43.52 | simonrvn | tripwire + aide > * |
| 23:43.53 | bob2 | alus: it's not an emulator |
| 23:44.00 | fusion | RichiH, I have tripwire |
| 23:44.00 | alus | so how can you compare it to vmware? vmware also only does x86 |
| 23:44.00 | stew | flayn|bed: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:44.04 | Glitch_Master | Anyway, is mol an apt-getable package? |
| 23:44.09 | RichiH | fusion: so no rootkit, at least |
| 23:44.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:44.12 | flayn|bed | thx stego |
| 23:44.12 | cafuego | alus: yep, basically runs MacOS (off the raw device) next to X (my MOL maximises to tty8) |
| 23:44.19 | fusion | And I have run chkrootkit |
| 23:44.28 | bob2 | alus: vmware also isn't an emulator |
| 23:44.32 | atbash | EvanCarroll: do i need Open Sound System in my kernel? |
| 23:44.39 | alus | bob2: it's not? |
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| 23:44.54 | bob2 | alus: it's a virtualiser |
| 23:44.54 | cafuego | alus: I compare it as two Os-under-OS implementations. MOL does that FAR better on ppc that vmware does on ia32, |
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| 23:45.09 | alus | I see |
| 23:45.11 | EvanCarroll | atbash: no, however you might want OSS emulation |
| 23:45.12 | bob2 | alus: it doesn't emulate a CPU, it just runs programs normally and traps some of the priveleged instructions |
| 23:45.25 | cafuego | alus: For one, it's free, for two, it just worked the first time I tried it ;-) |
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| 23:45.52 | sdogi | for network install with floppies i need rescue and root image right? |
| 23:45.57 | xerophyte | how can i do fsck on the partition on boot before it get mounted i have /dev/sda2 / ext3 defaults 1 1 will that mean its check .. but when i booted it didnt check |
| 23:46.01 | alus | so VirtualPC is an emulator then? being able to run x86 on ppc |
| 23:46.04 | atbash | EvanCarroll: do you know by heart where i can find that? |
| 23:46.10 | cafuego | sdogi: Probably also 'driver-X.bin' |
| 23:46.10 | bob2 | KirbyMeister: lhl.linuxgames.com/ |
| 23:46.16 | cafuego | alus: Indeed. |
| 23:46.18 | bob2 | alus: yeah |
| 23:46.23 | cafuego | alus: Like PearPC on x86. |
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| 23:46.26 | alus | right |
| 23:46.32 | EvanCarroll | atbash: device drivers->multimedia |
| 23:46.35 | EvanCarroll | sound drivers |
| 23:46.37 | EvanCarroll | i believe |
| 23:46.37 | Glitch_Master | xerophyte: Punctuation would get you further. |
| 23:46.40 | cafuego | Admittedly virtualpc is a crapload fatser then pearpc. |
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| 23:46.56 | sdogi | cafuego: yeah found that out too now, wasn't informed in manual about it though :( |
| 23:47.05 | cafuego | xerophyte: if it's not broken there's no reason it should check it. |
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| 23:47.13 | alus | so is it just coincidence that the x86 emulator for ppc and the ppc on ppc virtualizer are both faster than their x86 counterparts? |
| 23:47.20 | cafuego | alus: No./ |
| 23:47.31 | alus | what is the cause? |
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| 23:47.42 | cafuego | alus: The inherent superiority of the PPC platform. |
| 23:47.49 | sdogi | thanks anyway, you rock :) |
| 23:47.51 | sdogi | later |
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| 23:48.03 | alus | well that's not very specific |
| 23:48.11 | cafuego | alus: No, it's not ;-) |
| 23:48.17 | bob2 | i386 is hard to virtualise |
| 23:48.26 | bob2 | due to two instructions |
| 23:48.30 | bob2 | to do with the stack, iirc |
| 23:48.45 | cafuego | bob2: yet virtual pc manages fine |
| 23:48.53 | cafuego | Even *before* MS bought it |
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| 23:49.04 | bob2 | plex86 required a patch to the client OS to get rid of them so it could run quickly |
| 23:49.14 | bob2 | the plex86 site probably explains it |
| 23:49.19 | cafuego | I wonder if they'll release a PS2 emulator for Xbox |
| 23:49.23 | bob2 | cafuego: virtual pc is emulating the whole CPU |
| 23:49.28 | Glitch_Master | ... |
| 23:49.32 | Glitch_Master | Somebody PLEASE hit cafuego. |
| 23:49.37 | alus | vmware does a better job than virtualpc, performance wise |
| 23:49.39 | bob2 | the above only applies to qemu-fast/vmware/etc |
| 23:49.48 | clusty | how can I mount an NTFS partition such that all users can read it (now only root can read the folder, but everybody can mount it,but not read) |
| 23:49.52 | Glitch_Master | Lovely thing called a mod chip... |
| 23:50.01 | cafuego | alus: They don't do the same thing. |
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| 23:50.08 | bob2 | clusty: umask=002 in the option field |
| 23:50.19 | cafuego | alus: virtualpc is an emualtor, vmware is NOT. |
| 23:50.19 | alus | cafuego: you compared them, I was commenting |
| 23:50.29 | atbash | EvanCarroll: fyi it's in sound instead of multimedia, logical now ;-) |
| 23:50.34 | cafuego | alus: no, I compared mol and vmware. |
| 23:50.34 | atbash | -w |
| 23:50.38 | EvanCarroll | clusty: wtf should everyone be able to mount it and not read it |
| 23:50.44 | bob2 | alus: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/plex86/plex86/Documentation/FAQ?view=markup |
| 23:50.52 | bob2 | that explains what I was poorly remembering |
| 23:51.05 | bob2 | hm, I should get going |
| 23:51.20 | clusty | bob2: cool. it worked |
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| 23:51.21 | alus | "(cafuego): bob2: yet virtual pc manages fine" - I thought you were comparing it to vmware |
| 23:51.38 | cafuego | alus: No. |
| 23:51.49 | cafuego | alus: that was pearpc vs. virtualpc. |
| 23:51.56 | clusty | EvanCarroll: it was happening and I did not mean it that way (it was in fact the problem) |
| 23:52.01 | cafuego | bob2: it's much too hot to go anywhere. |
| 23:52.01 | alus | I see |
| 23:52.16 | rw | I installed debian net install, the default installed grub and I haven't noticed, I installed a new kernel and changed to lilo, but when I booted it could't load, so a ran the cd again and checked that it's listing as something like this: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/*, I am having trouble to configure the loader, any idea? |
| 23:52.16 | bob2 | cafuego: it's only going to get worse |
| 23:52.45 | cafuego | bob2: yes. i hope they pool here fixed their chorine problem (we got kicked out, coughing yesterday) |
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| 23:53.13 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; and ask for an operator || if you are using Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
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| 23:53.33 | bluefox83 | how do i get makepasswd to encrypt a specific word? |
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| 23:53.42 | Glitch_Master | Cafuego and bob, where the hell are you?! |
| 23:53.50 | Amarande | yay, linux, for the first time in years :) |
| 23:53.54 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: summer (and tomorrow) |
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| 23:54.02 | Amarande | now if i can just remember how you configure some of this stuff ... |
| 23:54.10 | Glitch_Master | Obviously an eastern country.... |
| 23:54.16 | bluefox83 | linux PwnZ |
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| 23:54.24 | bob2 | lord |
| 23:54.28 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: No, we're thoroughly western. |
| 23:54.28 | Amarande | Dwango? DOOM Wide Area Network Gaming Organization? :> |
| 23:54.31 | bob2 | I hope you meant that in a sarcastic sense. |
| 23:54.35 | dwango | Hellz yeah. |
| 23:54.36 | stew | Glitch_Master: becuase it must be summer in the eatern hemisphere? |
| 23:54.38 | cafuego | Maybe asian these days ;-) |
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| 23:54.41 | doneill | omfgator, i'm up on that |
| 23:54.42 | bob2 | Glitch_Master: so far west we wrapped around |
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| 23:54.58 | Glitch_Master | Hawaii? |
| 23:55.03 | bob2 | gah |
| 23:55.07 | reaper- | do i have to run hdparm every time on boot or does changing something with hdparm save settings somewhere automatically? |
| 23:55.13 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Go rinse your mouth. |
| 23:55.18 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 23:55.18 | Glitch_Master | How would I know?! |
| 23:55.20 | bob2 | reaper-: install hwtools, edit /etc/init.d/hwtools |
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| 23:55.27 | Glitch_Master | Um.. Um.. |
| 23:55.29 | Glitch_Master | Japan? :D |
| 23:55.31 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Stop accusing me of living in that wretched despotic state |
| 23:55.32 | simonrvn | think outside the box that is the u.s. |
| 23:55.36 | doneill | fiji! |
| 23:55.37 | reaper- | im just using hdparm manually to change the dma mode |
| 23:55.37 | k1k1 | hola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.org |
| 23:55.44 | Glitch_Master | o.o |
| 23:55.45 | reaper- | i guess ill reboot and find out |
| 23:55.46 | cafuego | Glitch_Master: Yes, because japan isn't covered in snow at all. |
| 23:55.49 | bob2 | k1k1: english please. |
| 23:55.50 | simonrvn | doneill: there we go, but no |
| 23:55.53 | k1k1 | hola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www |
| 23:55.53 | k1k1 | .abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% |
| 23:55.54 | k1k1 | GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.orghola es 100% GNU/Linux www.abiertos.org |
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| 23:56.00 | simonrvn | k1k1: bugg off |
| 23:56.02 | bob2 | idiot |
| 23:56.02 | Glitch_Master | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 23:56.04 | cafuego | bob2: Sheesh. Did you have to? ;-) |
| 23:56.06 | simonrvn | er |
| 23:56.08 | *** mode/#Debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:56.11 | Amarande | hmm |
| 23:56.13 | PerfDave | !win bob2 |
| 23:56.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, bob2! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:56.18 | PerfDave | !lose cafuego |
| 23:56.18 | dpkg | cafuego: You Lose. |
| 23:56.20 | simonrvn | gah |
| 23:56.24 | cafuego | !lart PerfDave |
| 23:56.31 | PerfDave | Mmmmm, VAXen |
| 23:56.38 | Amarande | how do you set up exim to smarthost when your SMTP host requires user/password authentication? |
| 23:56.41 | cafuego | PerfDave: Check nicks, then try again. |
| 23:56.42 | bob2 | caphuso: the magic of auto_bleh ;) |
| 23:56.45 | bob2 | Amarande: with difficulty |
| 23:56.50 | bob2 | Amarande: I hear it's easier in 4 |
| 23:56.52 | Amarande | these exim config files are ... pretty opaque. |
| 23:56.58 | caphuso | bob2: :-P |
| 23:57.02 | Amarande | this is sarge, by the way |
| 23:57.10 | Amarande | Linux megami 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:57.43 | Amarande | bob2: i was more wondering exactly which file I need to edit. :) |
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| 23:58.43 | simonrvn | the code compiles, but it doesn't install correctly... |
| 23:58.53 | Glitch_Master | Die Chiantech! GYAHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 23:59.00 | prahal | atbash : 0000:01:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS , it looks liek you should use snd-audigyls (http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=502 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=284580&perpage=15&pagenumber=2) |
| 23:59.14 | simonrvn | Glitch_Master: stfuplskthxbye |
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| 23:59.16 | alus | how can I get the exact kernel version I'm running? (something more specific than kernelversion) |
| 23:59.26 | vipersniper | uname -r |
| 23:59.34 | alus | thx |
| 23:59.35 | atbash | prahal: snd-audigyls has been replaced by snd-ca0106 |
| 23:59.37 | Glitch_Master | simonrvn: ....O_<; |
| 23:59.42 | Glitch_Master | Anyway... |
