| 00:00.08 | Glitch_Master | Now that there are a few other people here.... Has anyone had luck with successfully compiling Cedega/WineX? |
| 00:00.16 | simonrvn | #winex |
| 00:00.25 | modeman | what is a good audio conversion tool? |
| 00:00.36 | alus | audacity? |
| 00:00.38 | simonrvn | cat |
| 00:00.50 | modeman | thanks |
| 00:00.55 | atbash | nvidia offers drivers on the homepage, why can't i use those? |
| 00:01.09 | simonrvn | because your mommy doesn't want you to |
| 00:01.10 | PerfDave | !tell atbash -about nvidia-installer |
| 00:01.14 | PerfDave | !tell atbash -about nvidia-howto |
| 00:02.00 | vipersniper | atbash, you can |
| 00:02.12 | atbash | do they use OSS? |
| 00:02.42 | wrd_ | the kernel module is GPL |
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| 00:02.51 | wrd_ | the XFREE/Xorg driver isnt |
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| 00:03.04 | atbash | PerfDave: thats for the graphic card, i'm trying to get my onboard snd working |
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| 00:05.36 | prahal | atbash: did you tell you have an MSI mother board ? |
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| 00:07.54 | Amarande | yay, i just got that wonderful good-to-be-back feeling called a ... SIGSEGV. :> heh |
| 00:08.05 | llahm | Can anybody tell me why Bash is escaping the $ on environment variables If I try to cd into one using autocomplete? Example: cd $C<tab> gets changed to cd \$CVSROOT instead of cd $CVSROOT. I have bash completion enabled but couldn't find this behavior in the config files for it... |
| 00:08.13 | Tyler_E | Could someone please point me at an installer that uses a 2.6 kernel? If it's amd64 so much the better. |
| 00:08.24 | caphuso | llahm: it has config files? |
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| 00:08.41 | XeLoN | hi guys, I have just installed again debian on my computer because I changed my HDD. I wanted to install mysql server, And I wrote down "apt-get install mysql-server". Then it prompted to me "ERROR: There's not enough space in /var/lib/mysql/". What can I do? |
| 00:08.42 | bob2 | llahm: #bash, I guess |
| 00:08.46 | bob2 | or use zsh like everyone else |
| 00:08.47 | Glitch_Master | Tyler_E: ..."Installer"? What sort? |
| 00:08.59 | bob2 | Amarande: it's to do with routing, I think. try asking on the exim user list. |
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| 00:09.02 | modeman | alus: is there an audio tool that will convert wma's? |
| 00:09.13 | alus | winamp? |
| 00:09.16 | Tyler_E | Glitch_Master: Perferably a netinstall, but I'm not too picky |
| 00:09.25 | Tyler_E | by installer I mean a burnable/bootable iso |
| 00:09.28 | bob2 | modeman: mplayer. |
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| 00:09.35 | Glitch_Master | Tyler_E: Ohhh... You mean an installation disc... :P |
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| 00:09.42 | prahal | cause uspport for it is so new i would suggest using taking the cvs version of alsa : http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/alsa/alsa-kernel/pci/ca0106/ca0106_main.c?rev=1.4&view=log (14 february) |
| 00:09.46 | XeLoN | nobody knows about this problem? |
| 00:09.47 | alus | bob2: what about vlc? |
| 00:09.53 | bob2 | alus: no idea |
| 00:09.57 | Glitch_Master | Tyler_E: There's this wonderful thing called GOOGLE. Give it a shot. This channel isn't a location reference, you know. |
| 00:10.00 | bob2 | didn't think anyone used it anymore |
| 00:10.01 | llahm | caphuso: yeah /etc/bash_completion and /etc/bash_completion.d |
| 00:10.16 | Tyler_E | Glitch_Master: I did. The install image I downloaded doesn't work |
| 00:10.21 | llahm | caphuso: all the advanced completions are hand-configurable |
| 00:10.21 | Tyler_E | Glitch_Master: That's why I'm asking |
| 00:10.30 | Glitch_Master | Tyler_E: Did it boot? |
| 00:10.31 | caphuso | llahm: they are? where? how? since when? |
| 00:10.33 | Amarande | hmm, i guess i will have to run windows on megami until I can figure out certain configuration stuff :) |
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| 00:10.38 | Quest-Master | Would anyone know where the .inf file for the Netopia 802.11b USB Adapter would be? I need to help a friend install it with ndiswrapper |
| 00:10.42 | Amarande | by the way, which file do you edit to set the default OS to boot to? |
| 00:10.45 | Tyler_E | (By didn't work I mean: after selecting amirror, any mirror, I get a message back saying could not Find Release File or something like that) |
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| 00:10.52 | Amarande | it doesn't seem grub works the same way as lilo |
| 00:10.59 | Tyler_E | (And I know my net connection was working fine as I could wget random urls) |
| 00:11.10 | Glitch_Master | Quest-Master: Google? |
| 00:11.25 | Glitch_Master | Something that specific would be rather easy to find with google. |
| 00:11.31 | Quest-Master | Glitch_Master: If I had found it on Google, I wouldn't be here. ;( |
| 00:11.34 | Tyler_E | to be MOST specific, the image I grabbed wsa here: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ |
| 00:11.42 | llahm | caphuso: well have you used the advanced completion mode before? |
| 00:11.49 | caphuso | llahm: not much |
| 00:11.52 | llahm | caphuso: since bash 2.05b i believe |
| 00:12.06 | llahm | caphuso: and for where, in /etc/bash_completion* |
| 00:12.08 | caphuso | llahm: but i'll be damned if i've ever seen anything configurable in that joke of programmable completion |
| 00:12.25 | Anthro | I'm looking for a zip file password recovery tool. There seem to be several available for Win32, both commercial and freeware (though not FOSS), but I haven't been able to turn up anything I can use on Linux. Anyone? |
| 00:12.28 | llahm | caphuso: you can make it all totally different, just change the files |
| 00:12.30 | Glitch_Master | Quest-Master: That's the official release. If it doesn't work, there's something wrong with your computer, or something wrong with the way you're burning the disc. |
| 00:12.30 | caphuso | you have to rewrite every function, even for really minor adjustments |
| 00:12.39 | caphuso | llahm: that's not configurable |
| 00:12.43 | llahm | hmm |
| 00:12.48 | llahm | well nevermind then |
| 00:12.52 | Tyler_E | If you want good completion, use zsh |
| 00:12.55 | llahm | we disagree on the semantics |
| 00:13.22 | caphuso | linux is configurable, if you edit the source code enough, it will look like OS X! |
| 00:13.31 | caphuso | see, that argument just doesn't work |
| 00:13.42 | Quest-Master | What's the official release? :\ |
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| 00:13.50 | EvanCarroll | i would really like to get this working --sorry for the long explaination but it is probably needed. |
| 00:13.54 | EvanCarroll | Can someone please assist me with setting up a mail server on my domain, i have the domain evancarroll.com, and i registered with godaddy.com - who also manages the A nameserver, i have my domain point to evancarroll.no-ip.com, which is a free service that maps the domain to my ip, (because im not static), no-ip also has a section for MX records, so my MX record stored on godaddy reads evancarroll.com, and the one on no-ip also re |
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| 00:14.16 | Blissex | EvanCarroll: you cant do that. |
| 00:14.23 | llahm | caphuso: well i think perhaps you responded to a straw man version of what i said |
| 00:14.27 | EvanCarroll | Blissex: why? =[ |
| 00:15.01 | caphuso | llahm: well, and i think you haven't thought about where to look for the problem enough |
| 00:15.24 | macondo | Amarande, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:15.33 | caphuso | llahm: or didn't look hard enough |
| 00:15.33 | XeLoN | Guys, when I write "df", it prompted "/dev/hda1 -1509210403089k 1.0k 0.0k 8% /" What is wrong with this? |
| 00:16.20 | EvanCarroll | Blissex: why exactly won't it work? |
| 00:16.40 | XeLoN | hey, isn't anybody help me? |
| 00:16.57 | llahm | caphuso: i grepped some different strings and eventually found it |
| 00:17.06 | Blissex | EvanCarroll: rules about MX records... |
| 00:17.08 | llahm | caphuso: i was just hoping perhaps somebody else knew how to fix it |
| 00:17.16 | Glitch_Master | Err.... |
| 00:17.25 | EvanCarroll | Blissex: your lack of details is killing me, what rule? |
| 00:17.29 | llahm | caphuso: because even now looking at it, it uses this weird regex i don't understand too well |
| 00:17.29 | caphuso | llahm: you used grep instead of just going down to the definition of _cd? |
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| 00:17.41 | caphuso | llahm: bash doesn't support regular expressions |
| 00:17.47 | Glitch_Master | Tyler_E: That's the official release. If it doesn't work, there's something wrong with your computer, or something wrong with the way you're burning the disc. |
| 00:17.48 | llahm | caphuso: well i used whereis in my editor |
| 00:17.56 | Glitch_Master | I accidentally said that to Quest... |
| 00:18.12 | caphuso | llahm: and then you failed to notice, that it's the second thing _cd does that causes your problem? |
| 00:18.31 | Blissex | EvanCarroll: _the_ rule about MX records is described in just about every tutorial on the subject. |
| 00:18.40 | XeLoN | Please help me, ......... |
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| 00:19.03 | EvanCarroll | Blissex: fuck you, idiot. |
| 00:19.10 | llahm | caphuso: well i did figure this out eventually |
| 00:19.28 | llahm | caphuso: but then it wasn't clear what it was doing wrt environment variables |
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| 00:19.48 | llahm | caphuso: so rather than asking more dumb questions i was trying to look at it and the bash PDF manual i've got |
| 00:19.51 | xerophyte | if i want to clean drive which use to be raid what can i do it? |
| 00:20.05 | Blissex | XeLoN: first, you should wait at least 5 minutes between repeated requests, second this does not look like a Debian specific question. Try #linuxhelp. |
| 00:20.15 | Amarande | hrm |
| 00:20.17 | llahm | caphuso: then i decided i'd try disabling those lines to see how bash's behavior would change |
| 00:20.26 | Amarande | i don't seem to find an entry here in menu.lst that sets which one will be default |
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| 00:20.41 | Glitch_Master | Hmm... |
| 00:20.44 | Amarande | there's no man page for it, either. |
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| 00:21.55 | modeman | bob2: mplayer? |
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| 00:22.19 | prahal | EvanCarr1ll: the one on no-ip should point on your ip (and they should have a second mx that you can forward to an email addres; dynamic ip service usually do in case your ip is not reachable) |
| 00:22.20 | avatara | I'm having a hell of a time trying to get software based RAID 1 working in Debian, anyone have any experience? I can't get the drive to boot, but can mount it normally :( |
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| 00:23.23 | Blissex | avatara: somewhat imprecise thing. Sw RAID boot is a complicated, often bad idea. It requires rather special configuration, and there are detailed HOWTOs on how to do it. |
| 00:23.39 | prahal | avatara:do you compile raid2 support as module ? |
| 00:23.42 | doneill | yeah right |
| 00:23.46 | doneill | software raid is a cinch |
| 00:24.08 | doneill | it's when you have boot partitions and initrd's with lacking support that it gets hairy |
| 00:24.12 | avatara | blissex: yah i read the 2 howtos and didn't get anywhere after following their recommendations |
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| 00:24.23 | avatara | parahal: i recombiled the kernel with raid2 support static in the kernel (not module) |
| 00:24.46 | Blissex | avatara: then hire a system administrator that understands that documentation... |
| 00:24.48 | Amarande | ahh, here we go. |
| 00:24.54 | Amarande | one thing about the default option in menu.lst |
| 00:24.57 | prahal | well if the support is compiled in the kernel and one do not use udev/devfs it should work as is (i am not a raid expert so please correct if i am wrong) |
| 00:25.05 | Amarande | if there are dividers, do you count or skip them when determining the entry number to use? |
| 00:25.11 | Amarande | e.g., there's 2 linux kernels, then a divider, then windows |
| 00:25.14 | avatara | blissex: right ok.... |
| 00:25.17 | Amarande | do I use 2 or 3 for the default to do windows? |
| 00:25.22 | avatara | i'm using an ext3 filesystem |
| 00:25.23 | Blissex | avatara: as <doneill> said, it requires a few subtle steps, and the HOWTOs explain them very very clearly. |
| 00:25.29 | avatara | its a debian only system |
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| 00:25.52 | NP_complete | hi, hi, hi all! |
| 00:25.53 | Blissex | avatara: it is the same in all distributions. Did the HOWTOs mention initial RAM disk configuration? |
| 00:26.21 | prahal | Blissex: are initram needed if the support is builtin ? |
| 00:26.42 | avatara | blissex: no i was looking at the software raid howto and the boot+root+raid + lilo howto |
| 00:26.44 | macondo | Amarande: iirc there is a line at the top : default 0 |
| 00:26.45 | NarCoT_ | Hi, I'm trying to install a new kernel. when I run 'make mrproper' I get 'make: *** No rule to make target `mrproper'. Stop.' what should I do? |
| 00:27.19 | NP_complete | I have a 2.6.10 kernel, it works really fine, but when i enter Quake2 sound doesn't work well, it seems frozen |
| 00:27.20 | macondo | Amarande: that will be the first on the menu booting order |
| 00:27.22 | prahal | NarCoT_: are you in your kernel source directory ? |
| 00:27.37 | prahal | NP_complete: alsa ? |
| 00:27.39 | doneill | NarCoT_, ignore it? |
| 00:27.41 | Blissex | avatara: well, the boot/root/RAID HOWTO must mention it. As <doneill> said, «t's when you have boot partitions and initrd's with lacking support that it gets hairy» |
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| 00:27.47 | NP_complete | prahal: yeah |
| 00:27.57 | EvanCarroll | NarCoT_: mrproper only resets the .config to the defaults, if its a new kernel you won't need it |
| 00:27.59 | NarCoT_ | prahal: which kernel ? New? Old? |
| 00:28.02 | avatara | blissex: but other things i read online don't say it is necessary to the boot floppy to get it going.. |
| 00:28.17 | doneill | poppycock :/ |
| 00:28.20 | NP_complete | prahal: even if i run quake2 as root, got the same trouble |
| 00:28.23 | NarCoT_ | doneill: I cannot ignore it, it's not working |
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| 00:28.38 | doneill | NarCoT_, well... i'm asking, why you're doing it anyway? |
| 00:28.48 | NarCoT_ | EvanCarroll: It's pretty new but I did configure some things |
| 00:28.51 | avatara | blissex: i also followed directions at http://goldenspud.com/webrog/archives/2003/11/18/installing-debian-woody-on-a-software-raid-root-volume/2/ |
| 00:28.53 | doneill | nevermind... it doesn't matter anyway |
| 00:29.10 | NP_complete | prahal: It seems you know about alsa and quake2, what's the problem? |
| 00:29.12 | EvanCarroll | NarCoT_: are you running the command as root? |
| 00:29.14 | NarCoT_ | doneill: cause I'm using a very old Ver. |
| 00:29.22 | NarCoT_ | EvanCarroll: Yep |
| 00:30.12 | xerophyte | when i do lsattr i get ----------I-- //sbin why do i get that ? |
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| 00:30.48 | Blissex | avatara: I just did a google search with 'debian root boot raid md initrd' as the keywords, a number of very clear documents about it. |
| 00:31.02 | NarCoT_ | EvanCarroll: doneill: ? |
| 00:31.08 | EvanCarroll | notPoncha: |
| 00:31.09 | EvanCarroll | err |
| 00:31.11 | doneill | NP_complete, it doesn't work |
| 00:31.15 | doneill | NarCoT_, what version? |
| 00:31.23 | cirdan | hrm |
| 00:31.27 | EvanCarroll | NarCoT_: did you symlink /usr/src/linux to your src directory |
| 00:31.30 | doneill | NP_complete, quakeforge (may now have) a quake2+sdl patch applied |
| 00:31.38 | NarCoT_ | doneill: I'm trying 2.6.10 |
| 00:31.38 | cirdan | i read the bugreport on php5, but i dont see it in unstable... |
| 00:31.48 | doneill | NarCoT_, right, there is no mrproper. |
| 00:32.00 | doneill | make menuconfig, then make bzImage modules modules_install |
| 00:32.06 | doneill | no need to clean, or dep |
| 00:32.27 | Lee__ | I'm building a kernel for ATI drivers. Is the the correct syntax for make-kpkg: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --append-to-version "-ati-k7" kernel_image |
| 00:32.30 | cirdan | any ideas? the report said it's in debian |
| 00:32.37 | Mefdahl | !search zzScrolled |
| 00:32.43 | char0x30 | My ISP's dns server went down. can some body give me the IP for one of the opennic public servers? |
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| 00:33.00 | Mefdahl | 209.98.98.98 |
| 00:33.00 | NarCoT_ | doneill: I'm using 2.2.17 and trying to install 2.6.10 |
| 00:33.03 | Mefdahl | works |
| 00:33.12 | Mefdahl | it visi.com but its always been public |
| 00:33.12 | Blissex | avatara: consider for example http://www.james.rcpt.to/programs/debian/raid1/ |
| 00:33.14 | doneill | NarCoT_, doesn't matter |
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| 00:33.24 | doneill | NarCoT_, i'm saying the 2.6 series doesn't do any of that anymore |
| 00:33.28 | avatara | blissex: k i already saw those but will look over them again |
| 00:33.30 | EvanCarroll | Blissex: FYI, i got it working -- don't respond your still ignored. |
| 00:33.37 | Blissex | avatara: and http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 00:33.37 | doneill | that is oldschool 2.0 -> 2.4 stuff |
| 00:33.46 | char0x30 | Mefdahl: Thanks. |
| 00:33.51 | drac | Lee__: uname -r |
| 00:33.52 | NarCoT_ | doneill: OK but I need to clean it up b4 installing 2.6.10 right ? |
| 00:34.01 | doneill | ...no |
| 00:34.11 | doneill | i'm saying 2.6.x HAS NO mrproper, at all. |
| 00:34.23 | drac | Lee__: ah, building kernel, nevermind. |
| 00:34.25 | doneill | could be wrong |
| 00:34.30 | doneill | either way, you don't need it. |
| 00:34.41 | EvanCarroll | doneill: 2.6.x should have an mrproper |
| 00:34.41 | NarCoT_ | doneill: ok, so I'll just skip this step. Thaknx |
| 00:34.55 | Blissex | avatara: http://debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3302&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 00:34.58 | EvanCarroll | NarCoT_: just type this in your src directory > .config |
| 00:34.58 | doneill | EvanCarr1ll, really? does yours? |
| 00:34.58 | Lee__ | drac: I only changed one configure option but it's going from a "y" to "n" |
| 00:35.05 | Mefdahl | Any perl gurus... I'm trying to get Tk into perl and am failing 2 tests in t/zzScrolled.t |
| 00:35.20 | EvanCarroll | doneill: ill ssh in and check =/ im pretty sure though |
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| 00:35.26 | drac | Lee__: but that is still wrong, why not just do only: make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 00:35.26 | NarCoT_ | EvanCarroll: OK, thankx |
| 00:35.47 | doneill | i'll be darned |
| 00:35.50 | doneill | it does, you're right |
| 00:35.56 | doneill | excuse me then :( |
| 00:36.17 | Lee__ | drac: cause I want the new kernel to indicate in the name that I recompiled it for ATI drivers |
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| 00:36.27 | doneill | i thought it was grouped with the 'dep' step, and removed |
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| 00:36.30 | EvanCarroll | doneill: yes mine does - i believe mrproper requires the symlink from /usr/src/linux, as well as a valid .config file |
| 00:36.31 | doneill | my mistake |
| 00:36.35 | Amarande | aaarrggghhhhh. |
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| 00:36.40 | doneill | aha, neat |
| 00:36.45 | Amarande | i rebooted, and my text mode font just got UGLY. |
| 00:36.48 | Amarande | what'd I do? :/ |
| 00:36.48 | Lee__ | drac: so uname will show something like kernel-2.6.8-ati-k7 |
| 00:37.17 | Mefdahl | Lee if you want the version to show extra info use the make-kpgk --append_to_version switch |
| 00:37.24 | Lee__ | or is that not kosher? |
| 00:38.01 | Lee__ | cool, just checking. kernel compiling is Big Deal^TM IMO. |
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| 00:38.17 | Amarande | when I installed Debian, it had a nice looking text mode font, then when I rebooted it turned ugly. I can't tell why. |
| 00:38.21 | EvanCarroll | NarCoT_: Mr proper on my system attempted to remove 6 files from arch/i386/boot/compressed, as well as run make clean (just fyi for educatonal reasons) it does that in addition to resetting the .config file to defaults, mrproper by my understand was origianlly use just so people woulden't have to hold enter in make config to generate a 'default kernel' |
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| 00:39.42 | doneill | heh... they shouldn't... |
| 00:39.56 | doneill | that's cool, how'd you do that, diff of some sort? |
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| 00:40.10 | prahal_ | NP_complete: echo "quake2.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss |
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| 00:40.55 | EvanCarroll | doneill: addressed at me? |
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| 00:41.26 | prahal_ | it is not an alsa problem, quake2 and first quake3 release used a hack on hte oss driver, this echo , set a workaround to support this hack in alsa (newer quake does not need it) |
| 00:41.55 | doneill | EvanCarr1ll, aye |
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| 00:42.13 | prahal_ | that s mad, all my previous bookmarks are dangling and hundreds of people hae discussed mad solutions on the net since 2 years ago ... |
| 00:42.16 | Amarande | okay, this is THOROUGHLY hard on the eyes. :/ |
| 00:42.18 | EvanCarroll | doneill: ran make mrproper without root access and it tried to dump files that where installed as root =/ i captured stderr and read it out =/ |
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| 00:42.39 | doneill | EvanCarr1ll, patent it. genius. |
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| 00:42.54 | EvanCarroll | doneill: lol |
| 00:43.21 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 00:43.21 | doneill | my curse is my lack of resourceful thought... i'd probably have written a C application to do that... |
| 00:43.22 | simonrvn | dpkg-deb: building package `cyrus22-imapd' in `../cyrus22-imapd_2.2.12-0.1_powerpc.deb'. |
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| 00:44.00 | NarCoT_ | EvanCarroll: This is what I get when trying 'make xconfig' - '/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/include/limits.h:117: limits.h: No such file |
| 00:44.01 | NarCoT_ | or directory |
| 00:44.01 | NarCoT_ | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:114: ctype.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:44.01 | NarCoT_ | scripts/basic/fixdep.c:115: arpa/inet.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:44.01 | NarCoT_ | make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 |
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| 00:44.13 | EvanCarroll | ouch. =/ |
| 00:44.20 | NarCoT_ | sorry |
| 00:44.22 | chupie | how can i use my linux machine as a file server? |
| 00:44.31 | doneill | chupie, put files on it! |
| 00:44.36 | simonrvn | NarCoT_: use menuconfig. xconfig is bleh |
| 00:44.39 | gartt__ | ... |
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| 00:44.40 | EvanCarroll | NarCoT_: Your going to need the GTK+ dev libs to run xconfig |
| 00:44.46 | chupie | well dur... do i use samba? or what |
| 00:44.54 | EvanCarroll | NarCoT_: I agree with simonrvn xconfig is 'bleh' |
| 00:44.55 | doneill | chupie, there's samba, or nfs. |
| 00:45.03 | chupie | which is better? |
| 00:45.07 | doneill | or cifs, or lufs, or other |
| 00:45.11 | simonrvn | !better |
| 00:45.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 00:45.13 | doneill | depends on your taste |
| 00:45.14 | prahal_ | NarCoT_: you need libc6-dev ... |
| 00:45.15 | chupie | and can windows access it? |
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| 00:45.19 | NarCoT_ | EvanCarroll: OK |
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| 00:45.21 | doneill | samba is best for that |
| 00:45.23 | doneill | and i prefer samba |
| 00:45.27 | NarCoT_ | prahal: thakns |
| 00:45.29 | simonrvn | chupie: you need samba then :| |
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| 00:45.46 | chupie | k, i installed that.. i'll go see if it works |
| 00:45.51 | prahal_ | limits.h: No such file ... seems like you have nothing needed to comile a c program |
| 00:45.56 | simonrvn | mission accomplished |
| 00:46.13 | simonrvn | nvz: i doubt it ;) |
| 00:46.14 | Mefdahl | ? |
| 00:46.19 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah me too |
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| 00:46.35 | simonrvn | "dpkg-deb: building package `cyrus22-imapd' in `../cyrus22-imapd_2.2.12-0.1_powerpc.deb'." ;) |
| 00:47.13 | NarCoT_ | prahal_: how should I know things like that? Is there a way to find which pkg has that missing file? |
| 00:47.17 | nvz | simonrvn: you are in Canadia.. I wont be comming any closer to you than da berg, and I will probably be dahntahn around 6pm tomorrow if all goes well |
| 00:47.33 | akusarujin | if i configure acpi support and select M for button, would the module be acpi_button? assuming "Symbol: ACPI_BUTTON [=m]" is referencing the module's name |
| 00:47.35 | simonrvn | da berg? |
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| 00:48.00 | simonrvn | now one final debuild run to make sure it works, and i'm done |
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| 00:48.16 | nvz | simonrvn: Pittsburgh |
| 00:48.20 | prahal | NarCoT_: if you install the debian kernel-source* it will take care of that, if you want to use the vanilla source, just look at the debian kernel source dependencies (and recommands , maybe suggest too) and install them |
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| 00:49.18 | nvz | its fuckin snowin from what I understand, my 600-mile dopplar on PIT shows all white |
| 00:49.19 | NarCoT_ | prahal: I ment, how did you know I needed 'lib6c-dev' ? |
| 00:49.24 | _ominae | any ideal when debian 4 will be released |
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| 00:49.36 | Amarande | _ominae: when it's ready |
| 00:49.41 | Amarande | which really isn't what I want to hear |
| 00:49.45 | Amarande | since I've heard that said about some other things |
| 00:49.49 | Amarande | like Duke Nukem Forever, for instance :) |
| 00:50.10 | simonrvn | _ominae: what? |
| 00:50.12 | nvz | and moving East-southeast at 10.4mph, I'd say it will still be snowing when I get there |
| 00:50.30 | _ominae | when debian 4 will be released |
| 00:50.32 | simonrvn | NarCoT_: means you need to apt-get install build-essential |
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| 00:50.45 | prahal | NarCoT_: arpa/inet.h , limits.h are file recquiered by virtually any program, this kind of file should be in libc6-dev (though i may be wrong, i just guess from experience). But you can find out via packages.debian.org |
| 00:50.47 | simonrvn | _ominae: that doesn't even make sense |
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| 00:51.28 | NarCoT_ | EvanCarroll: to run menuconfig I need ncurses-devels. I didn't find it within 'apt-get' how do I install it? |
| 00:51.37 | simonrvn | _ominae: don't /msg me |
| 00:51.54 | simonrvn | _ominae: and i'm not blind |
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| 00:52.06 | nvz | abrotman: looks like the yinzersmite might be getting updated afterall :p |
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| 00:52.24 | Amarande | so, what's the command to reset the text mode font? |
| 00:52.25 | jorgp | _ominae: debian 4? at the rate things move, 5+ years |
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| 00:52.35 | prahal | _ominae: well at least i can assure you taht the number of bugs (not only critical ones) have heavily crunched since september (looks liek we could release now and even have more stable packages than most distributions) |
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| 00:52.55 | prahal | NP_complete: did it helped ? |
| 00:53.08 | Thaiger | How do I see how much space a folder takes up not the whole partition? |
| 00:53.32 | nvz | would be a nice time to have a working laptop.. I know where to get free public access around there :P |
| 00:53.33 | akusarujin | anyone? acpi button support module = acpi_button? |
| 00:53.43 | jorgp | _ominae: but debian 3.1 (sarge) I would guess 6 months |
| 00:53.46 | Mefdahl | I've been running sarge for over a year w/o any major hickups... |
| 00:53.50 | alus | how do I remove the pcmcia cardbus services? |
| 00:53.53 | Mefdahl | I say its ready lol |
| 00:54.13 | Amarande | i just installed sarge, and i'm getting various annoying little glitches |
| 00:54.18 | Amarande | i'm not sure if it's ready |
| 00:54.28 | Lee__ | Amarande: ready for what? |
| 00:54.31 | alus | I installed woody and got some horrible problems |
| 00:54.35 | Amarande | also, it seems to have blacklisted the usb mouse module. |
| 00:54.35 | alus | I'm not sure it's ready |
| 00:54.35 | Mefdahl | for my desktop |
| 00:54.36 | Mefdahl | laff |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | nvz: why? |
| 00:55.16 | WE_R_DNA | what type of yahoo client would allow for webcam viewing in debian? |
| 00:55.26 | Lee__ | Amarande: have you filed the bug reports in the shortcomings you found? |
| 00:55.33 | nvz | abrotman: well I am going to the burg, so I will be really observant of the natives |
| 00:55.57 | abrotman | nvz: ah .. gotcha .. don't forget to visit zu22 |
| 00:56.00 | abrotman | and starfish |
| 00:56.11 | nvz | abrotman: abrotman who the hell are they? |
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| 00:56.15 | nvz | hmm |
| 00:56.21 | nvz | tab-completion mishap |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | isn't starfish your cousin? |
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| 00:56.38 | abrotman | and zu22 is just some guy who comes in here once in a while |
| 00:56.49 | prahal | Amarande: /etc/hotplug/blacklist yes it is blacklist to autoload it , but if you use modconf or add it in /etc/modules it will be loaded "statically" (in the plug and play meaning |
| 00:56.57 | abrotman | there's also afc_pack or whatever his name is |
| 00:56.59 | brendan_ | hi |
| 00:57.02 | nvz | abrotman: oh, yeah I guess so :P he lives just outside Morgantown, I am not hitting there, they tore down their bus station. but I am bringing some ram and other things for him |
| 00:57.04 | brendan_ | i am running debian unstable |
| 00:57.12 | brendan_ | and whenever i log out the connection dies |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | nvz: ah .. gotcah |
| 00:57.16 | abrotman | brendan_: mistake one |
| 00:57.29 | brendan_ | *network connection |
| 00:57.37 | brendan_ | has anyone had this problem |
| 00:58.03 | nvz | actually I forgot, I wont be in the burg tomorrow, but on Wed |
| 00:58.11 | abrotman | nvz: you coming to philly too? |
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| 00:58.35 | nvz | abrotman: nope. |
| 00:58.43 | Amarande | of course, more important probably is exactly -how- that module got blacklisted. |
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| 00:58.49 | abrotman | nvz: you bastard! |
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| 00:59.04 | prahal | Amarande: yet i have to see a complete plug and play, root raid partition support and hibernate enabled linux distro ... maybe etch |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | nvz: maybe you'll get to primanti bros :) |
| 00:59.20 | prahal | the kernel is yet not jsut ready |
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| 01:00.03 | Mefdahl | I'm constantly amazed with what linux has become... |
| 01:00.06 | prahal | brendan_: how do you start the connection ? |
| 01:00.34 | Amarande | y'see, about half the POINT for me installing linux |
| 01:00.41 | Amarande | was that I was going to see if the mouse screws up here too :) |
| 01:00.44 | prahal | well in fact i should have said any OS distro ... windows is not much closer to that |
| 01:00.47 | Amarande | but, I kinda can't test this if the mouse driver won't LOAD |
| 01:01.05 | nvz | I like the Primadonna in McKees Rocks |
| 01:01.16 | brendan_ | its just a standard ethernet(eth0) connection |
| 01:01.22 | Mefdahl | I came over from the school of slack... first time I install XFree86 it took me days and days to get it compile right |
| 01:01.43 | nvz | actually I appear to be making a very breif stop in Wheeling, WV.. I didnt know I was going to WV at all |
| 01:02.01 | Mefdahl | now when I install a new deb box it takes a couple hours and it pretty well tweeked for use. |
| 01:02.03 | Amarande | I remember the first time I compiled XFree86 |
| 01:02.05 | Amarande | took about 14 hours |
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| 01:02.44 | Mefdahl | hehe on a 486 66 SX with a 256K video card. |
| 01:02.45 | Mefdahl | lol |
| 01:03.08 | prahal | Amarande: you mean it won't load even if you modprobe it (or set it in /etc/modules) ? |
| 01:03.09 | nvz | yeah buddy :) |
| 01:03.16 | Amarande | hmm, I haven't tried this yet |
| 01:04.00 | doneill | i done it. |
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| 01:04.18 | Amarande | grrrr |
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| 01:04.25 | prahal | ? |
| 01:04.27 | Amarande | what's the default /dev/ name for a USB mouse? |
| 01:04.31 | doneill | it's kinda neat, my pentium 75 is about 3 times faster with the same about of ram |
| 01:04.34 | doneill | /dev/input/mice |
| 01:04.35 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 01:04.36 | dpkg | [usb mouse] "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 01:04.44 | abrotman | err .. the last part |
| 01:04.45 | nvz | I dont remember where my book is, but IIRC there is not a 486 SX clocked at 66mhz, that would be the DX/2 |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | there is no SX/66 |
| 01:05.03 | shingouz | nvz: you're correct there |
| 01:05.04 | doneill | aye, SX/33 |
| 01:05.11 | doneill | DX2/66 |
| 01:05.14 | doneill | iirc |
| 01:05.15 | abrotman | i have one |
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| 01:05.21 | abrotman | an DX2/66 |
| 01:05.27 | doneill | hehe, yeah |
| 01:05.29 | shingouz | abrotman: just one? ;) |
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| 01:05.31 | doneill | i want another one |
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| 01:05.35 | nvz | I used to have an SX, I think they come in 25 and 33mhz flavors |
| 01:05.39 | doneill | a big mosix array |
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| 01:05.41 | doneill | on token ring |
| 01:05.46 | abrotman | shingouz: yes .. just one .. my computer in college .. 36MB ram .. and still runs flawlessly |
| 01:05.54 | prahal | brendan_: no this seems weird |
| 01:05.57 | doneill | the ladies ... shall flock to see my leet supercomputer. |
| 01:06.04 | shingouz | abrotman: nice. huge amount of ram for a 486 |
| 01:06.06 | Mefdahl | oh I loved my tr... warcraft at its finest. |
| 01:06.07 | abrotman | nvz: and 16Mhz iirc |
| 01:06.07 | Mefdahl | laff |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | shingouz: yes .. it is .. |
| 01:06.20 | doneill | i want my Laser XT 8086 back |
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| 01:06.24 | doneill | edlin, baby. |
| 01:07.03 | prahal | brendan_: you mean it was setted up via the installer , static ip ? |
| 01:07.04 | shingouz | abrotman: i gotta brag.. my prosignia 486 runs a kinngston turbochip these days and has 80M ;) |
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| 01:07.20 | Amarande | okay, now it's working |
| 01:07.29 | nvz | man I am cleaning out my closet here, I got more grease and oil stained clothes than anyone should ever have, and the rediculous thing is so far they have all been white.. why the hell would I work on cars in white clothes |
| 01:07.34 | Amarande | now i need a suitable environment to check to see if the click problem happens on linux too |
| 01:07.40 | abrotman | shingouz: i have an overdrive for it .. just not in it .. but 36MB is the max afaik |
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| 01:07.59 | abrotman | nvz: you're from pittsburgh ? |
| 01:08.05 | shingouz | mine is a server... that is why the ridiculous amount of ram |
| 01:08.06 | doublehp | "artsd -a alsa" works fine, but "artsd -a alsa -d" => "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:812:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream" ... what to do ? |
| 01:08.07 | Mefdahl | I've managed to get rid of all the old stuff, nothing older than a slot 1 p3 now a days. |
| 01:08.12 | abrotman | nvz: it's the western PA uniform :) |
| 01:08.12 | nvz | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:08.19 | prahal | Amarande: gpm ? |
| 01:08.20 | joaopaulo | where can i get the kernel configutation file of kernel-images repositoy ? |
| 01:08.38 | abrotman | Mefdahl: i sold all my other sutff ... SMP x86 box,SGI,sun .. bought one laptop |
| 01:08.39 | doneill | ...dmix is only input, you need to create a 'meta' function, which uses jack for out, dmix for in |
| 01:08.44 | doneill | then run artsd in full duplex |
| 01:08.46 | Mefdahl | I do have the case still from my first home buildt 486 tho. |
| 01:08.46 | Mefdahl | heh |
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| 01:08.50 | Amarande | prahal: i've got gpm running, now i need to find a good place to check where it will be noticeable if the glitch occurs |
| 01:08.52 | Amarande | specifically |
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| 01:08.54 | doneill | doublehp, see the skype forums for more detail. |
| 01:08.56 | Amarande | the glitch, as it occurred on Windows |
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| 01:09.16 | Amarande | was that often when clicking, the system would register two consecutive clicks even though I had only clicked once |
| 01:09.23 | shingouz | doublehp: trying to get skype to run, huh? |
| 01:09.25 | prahal | Amarande: what kind of glitch ? (sudden acceleration ?) |
| 01:09.31 | doublehp | doneill: thanks ... but I have been reading them for days ... |
| 01:09.43 | Amarande | however, some applications, like Diablo 2 or DOOM, didn't seem to suffer from this |
| 01:09.47 | Amarande | so I think it may be a software issue |
| 01:09.48 | doneill | doublehp, hodon. |
| 01:09.59 | doublehp | shingouz: yes :( fine as pure OSS, but I am getting tired of OSS |
| 01:10.27 | Amarande | blah |
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| 01:10.30 | Amarande | glitchy as charged. :/ |
| 01:10.36 | Amarande | I guess I will be ordering a new mouse tonight. |
| 01:10.40 | shingouz | doublehp: disable the artsd and just slap in the alsa modules with oss emulation. should work |
| 01:10.41 | Amarande | and this IS a new mouse. |
| 01:10.41 | prahal | Amarande: moving window in a gnome environment the heaviest test for a mouse i know (i use it to detect when my ir mouse have low batteries :) |
| 01:10.44 | Amarande | stupid cheap radio shack mice |
| 01:10.54 | nvz | I got this damn blue button down shirt looks like something snoop dogg wore back in the 90's |
| 01:10.58 | phorce1 | Amarande: I had a Logitech recently go out the same way |
| 01:11.08 | doublehp | shingouz: yes it does, but I am tired of OSS !!! |
| 01:11.10 | Amarande | oh well, at least it gave me an excuse to install Linux. :) |
| 01:11.15 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.29 | Amarande | odd thing is |
| 01:11.35 | shingouz | doublehp: remove oss and install alsa with the oss emulation. skype does not support alsa otherwise |
| 01:11.37 | Amarande | the last mouse i had went out through double-click glitch also |
| 01:11.40 | phorce1 | Amarande: The Logitech lasted about 2 years -- good for an $18 USD optical. |
| 01:11.46 | gartt__ | ph0, stfu |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | doneill: remember i was saying before about how none of my ram gets used .. i lied |
| 01:11.48 | Amarande | i hope it's not the USB port, because I am not looking forward to a new motherboard yet. |
| 01:12.30 | phorce1 | Amarande: Was using mine on PS2 port (USB to PS2 converter) |
| 01:12.36 | XeLoN | Guys, which 2.4 version of kernel should i install for woody? |
| 01:12.50 | shingouz | XeLoN: the latest |
| 01:12.55 | doneill | abrotman, how's that? |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | doneill: gnome :) ... out of 768MB .. i'm 650MB deep :) |
| 01:13.11 | prahal | Amarande: that looks like a driver/setting error . That can happen when the time between two click is too l ow (you can achieve this bad behaviour via the gnome-control-center mouse settings) |
| 01:13.16 | doublehp | shingouz: you dont get it ... I already use alsa+oss emu, but my card does not support at all multiplexing ... and dmix is not enough ... esddsp does not work better ... and it looks like arts may help ... |
| 01:13.17 | XeLoN | shingouz : is kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 good choice? |
| 01:13.38 | shingouz | XeLoN: nope, that is the installer kernel. get the latest 2.4 you can find there |
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| 01:13.43 | abrotman | doneill: though .. X seems to be using 140MB for some damn reason |
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| 01:13.48 | doneill | brutal. |
| 01:14.01 | prahal | Amarande: though take care there is no "reset to defaults" button |
| 01:14.02 | doneill | abrotman, what's eating the rest? |
| 01:14.03 | shingouz | doublehp: ah. i see |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | oh .. that's sahred |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | mother of god .. gaim takes 11MB ? |
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| 01:14.31 | Amarande | prahal: if it was a driver, wouldn't it apply universally to all applications, though? |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | nvz: ever seen those little cubes of novelty shirts ? |
| 01:14.34 | Amarande | experience is: |
| 01:14.34 | XeLoN | is kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 good? |
| 01:14.40 | doneill | fair enough, i'm hovering around 550 at the moment :P |
| 01:14.41 | shingouz | doublehp: install another sound card and make the skype record and playback on different cards? i think there was some neat-o patch to do it somewhere |
| 01:14.44 | XeLoN | shingouz : is kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 good? |
| 01:14.46 | doneill | abrotman: |
| 01:14.48 | nvz | abrotman: nope but I think I know what you mean. |
| 01:14.51 | abrotman | doneill: two xchats ... opera |
| 01:14.56 | shingouz | XeLoN: 2.4.26 or something |
| 01:14.57 | Amarande | Diablo 2 - glitch happens only in Bnet chat window when scrolling through people |
| 01:15.06 | Amarande | DOOM - glitch doesn't happen, I can empty an entire clip with no double shooting |
| 01:15.08 | doneill | yeah, i'm pretty skinny here, gabber, konsole, anjuta, konq, and xmms |
| 01:15.12 | doublehp | shingouz: laptop man ... cant change anything ... unless I win national lottery :) |
| 01:15.18 | Amarande | Internet Explorer - glitch happens ALMOST ALWAYS GRRRR |
| 01:15.21 | Amarande | gpm - glitch happens moderately |
| 01:15.24 | Amarande | X - haven't tried yet |
| 01:15.26 | doneill | well, webserver and a couple database daemons too i guess |
| 01:15.28 | shingouz | doublehp: thinkpad by anychance? |
| 01:15.29 | Glitch_Master | Glitch is my highlight. x.x |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | doneill: yeah ... i guess it just takes whatever it can :) |
| 01:15.49 | drp | anyone running quake 3 under debian here |
| 01:15.59 | doneill | well it's not lagging, so i suppose i can't complain too much |
| 01:16.01 | XeLoN | shingouz : but there is only 2.4.27 ??????????? |
| 01:16.10 | prahal | Amarande: yes it should , but it may remained unoticed if the applicaiton have nothing to do with the double click (or behave the same if double or simple click which is often the case in windows) |
| 01:16.14 | doneill | i don't imagine i use about 90% of X, would be nice to snip that code out entirely. |
| 01:16.28 | shingouz | XeLoN: what do you think is the 2.4.27 a newer version than 2.4.26? |
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| 01:16.37 | doneill | i imagine a fair chunk of it is legacy trash, InPort mouse support, ISA video trash and the like |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | doneill: good luck with that |
| 01:16.45 | prahal | Amarande: just wild guesses as i have not used windows heavily for some years |
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| 01:16.54 | sanxiyn | QotD: "Is 2.4.27 a newer version than 2.4.26?" |
| 01:16.55 | XeLoN | shingouz : you say install 2.4.27 ??? |
| 01:16.59 | doneill | yeah, maybe i'll just switch to console... |
| 01:17.06 | shingouz | XeLoN: bingo :) |
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| 01:17.13 | XeLoN | shingouz : thanks :) |
| 01:17.16 | nvz | abrotman: I am allowed 50lbs a bag, though I am not sure with the compression ratio I can take full advantage considering the size of the container |
| 01:17.16 | abrotman | doneill: maybe xorg will be better being more modular |
| 01:17.20 | doneill | svgalib+dietxlib=svgaxlibd |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | nvz: 50lbs comes a lot faster than you think |
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| 01:17.42 | doneill | well that's kinda a hock, it's really just their addons which are really modular |
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| 01:17.56 | sanxiyn | doneill: What is dietxlib? |
| 01:18.01 | abrotman | doneill: guess we'll see |
| 01:18.06 | doneill | sanxiyn, something that doesn't exist |
| 01:18.16 | doneill | but it'd be cool. |
| 01:18.21 | abashuta | how do I spoof my email adress using mutt? |
| 01:18.30 | sanxiyn | I know there exists dietlibc though. |
| 01:18.34 | doneill | yep |
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| 01:18.38 | abrotman | abashuta: #mutt |
| 01:18.43 | doneill | woot! |
| 01:18.52 | abashuta | thx |
| 01:18.55 | sanxiyn | abashuta: set edit_headers = yes ? |
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| 01:19.17 | Amarande | also, now I'm seeing it happen on more than one OS |
| 01:19.18 | abrotman | sanxiyn: i figured send him to #mutt .. seems an odd question to ask |
| 01:19.19 | Amarande | I will have to start X |
| 01:19.28 | prahal | Amarande: gpm have glitches even with known working mouses ... X is the obvious test |
| 01:19.56 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Perhaps he wants NOSPAM thing? |
| 01:20.04 | abrotman | you know .. gpm makes baby jesus cry right ? |
| 01:20.16 | Amarande | great, now X won't start. |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | sanxiyn: no idea .. but i don't think spoofing is a good idea :) |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | well . not something i want to help with |
| 01:20.57 | phorce1 | abrot: all depends on how is MTA is set up anyway - I'm working on switching to Pine because I can't make Mutt work with multiple domain addresses through my MTA using SMTPO auth without making the user using Mutt a trusted user |
| 01:21.07 | Amarande | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 01:21.17 | Amarande | Fatal server error: |
| 01:21.17 | Amarande | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | phorce1: just hit tab :) |
| 01:21.21 | abrotman | !fixed font |
| 01:21.22 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 01:21.28 | prahal | Amarande: i m leaving, last if the problem appears on all os , some bios have options for usb mouse , usb compataibility, often they help with usb peripherals |
| 01:21.45 | nvz | I wonder how hard it would be to get one side of the zipper back on this bag.. its got two zippers that you cal lock together but one of them isnt fully attached :P |
| 01:21.55 | prahal | Amarande: how did you setup XF86Config-4 ? |
| 01:21.56 | abrotman | phorce1: he sounded like he wanted to completely fake an email address |
| 01:22.09 | doneill | i smell cooking spam!! |
| 01:22.17 | doneill | can anybody else smell it? |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | nvz: if you're lucky .. screwdriver and pliers |
| 01:22.21 | phorce1 | abrot: went through it on the mutt mailing list. Won't work the way I have my MTA locked down |
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| 01:22.34 | abrotman | phorce1: and pine does it ? |
| 01:22.46 | XeLoN | when i run "df", it gives me -1556132165. what can i do? |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | XeLoN: get out of the black hole! |
| 01:23.14 | prahal | XeLoN: dman ... what is your hardware ! |
| 01:23.15 | phorce1 | abrotman: Pine uses it's own SMTP functions to talk to the MTA -- Mutt makes a direct sendmail call on the server it's running on |
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| 01:23.29 | abrotman | phorce1: ewww .. |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | i meant eww on mutt |
| 01:23.38 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 01:24.00 | XeLoN | prahal : Pentium II 300 MMX, 6 GB HDD, 96 MB RAM |
| 01:24.02 | Bytor | Are the AMD86-K8 kernel images 32 or 64bit? (Or to put it another way, if I installed as i386, but have a k8 in the system, will they work) |
| 01:24.08 | Amarande | prahal: looks like through debian setup |
| 01:24.09 | Amarande | # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using |
| 01:24.09 | Amarande | # values from the debconf database. |
| 01:24.29 | XeLoN | abrotman : I dont understand you! |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | Bytor: which archive ? |
| 01:24.37 | abrotman | what did i do? |
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| 01:24.44 | abrotman | XeLoN: oh .. joke . sorry |
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| 01:24.56 | phorce1 | abrotman: Yeah -- when you hit "send" in mutt it just does a "sendmail -oit .... from body etc." It has no SMTP engine built in at all |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | Bytor: did you get the pure64 installer from the -amd64 people ? |
| 01:25.00 | Bytor | abrotman: Unstable |
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| 01:25.08 | abrotman | Bytor: did you get the pure64 installer from the -amd64 people ? |
| 01:25.13 | Amarande | ouch, i seem to be missing stuff |
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| 01:25.14 | nvz | abrotman: you might be right, I was trying just a screwdriver, but they obviously need to be compressed to me pushed back in I see |
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| 01:25.19 | XeLoN | prahal : you there? |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | nvz: i've done it :) |
| 01:25.33 | Bytor | abrotman: No, I just used the generic i386 installed. 64bit isn't a huge deal to me, I just want the most efficient x86 prepackged kernel for my system |
| 01:25.33 | Amarande | hmm |
| 01:25.37 | prahal | Amarande: gosh ... it looks totally broken : device section missing and fonts missing ... |
| 01:25.37 | Amarande | one thing I'm noting about sarge now |
| 01:25.37 | alus | why might startx work for root, but fail for a user? |
| 01:25.39 | Bytor | abrotman: but I'm running 32bit |
| 01:25.43 | abashuta | okay I tried #mutt but no answer, whats this about set edit_headers = yes? |
| 01:25.43 | alus | (x starts, then crashes) |
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| 01:25.48 | Amarande | sometimes it doesn't indicate dependencies that it should have |
| 01:25.49 | Bytor | abrotman: Should I just use a generic 686 or k7 kernel? |
| 01:25.58 | prahal | XeLoN: i am tryuing to find out if it is a 486 or 386 proc :) |
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| 01:25.59 | abrotman | Bytor: then it is a 32bit kernel .. if you want 64bit .. /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 01:25.59 | alus | says "Failed to set up write-combining range" |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | Bytor: no .. use k8 if you have the amd64 cpu .. it's compiled for a 32bit system ... |
| 01:26.37 | Bytor | abrotman: gotcha, that's what I wanted. thanks |
| 01:26.43 | phorce1 | abrotman: I have Exim set up so that when I log in with a specific username using SMTP auth it maps that username to an email address and puts that in the "sender" header to avoid having spam traps complain about "From" not matching "Sender" |
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| 01:26.52 | daww | How can I "Save Current Setup" for XFree86 without having to Log Out? |
| 01:27.03 | abrotman | phorce1: that sounds like a lot of damn work |
| 01:27.09 | XeLoN | prahal : my friend installed a program on his pc, and solved this problem |
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| 01:27.27 | abashuta | anyone know how to spoof an email adress in mutt? |
| 01:27.34 | roo9 | does anyone know what kind of filesystem the CF card on my camera uses? I know i am connected to the camera but i can't mount it. |
| 01:27.34 | sanxiyn | abashuta: ... |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | #mutt |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | abashuta: #mutt |
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| 01:28.01 | KirbyMeister | How do I configure the MTA? I have a couple applications that want to send/receive mail and it seems as if they all wanna use an mta |
| 01:28.07 | abashuta | theyr all asleep in mutt or something |
| 01:28.08 | Amarande | dang, i REALLY didn't install stuff |
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| 01:28.23 | Amarande | remind me not to trust apt to install dependencies for me, I guess |
| 01:28.23 | phorce1 | abrotman: Not really. When I add an email address that I want to use I just add another username/pass. I use MUA's that allow different SMTP auth data based on the email address in the "From" header -- hell, even Outlook Express can do that <shiver> |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | abashuta: #mutt is the right place to ask .. or google .. #debian isn't the place |
| 01:28.32 | shingouz | prahal: just crack the computer open and take a look at the cpu, that is the easiest way to tell what cpu it has |
| 01:28.35 | nvz | abrotman: I had to cheat |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | nvz: ? |
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| 01:28.52 | alus | wow, if you have a blank .initrx, startx just launches X then closes! |
| 01:29.12 | abrotman | phorce1: you lie! .. OE can't do anything :) |
| 01:29.19 | nvz | abrotman: it was annoying me, it was either make a small cut on the stiched part of the zipper or bend up the metal part.. cause that shit is too much like work |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | what is .initrx ? |
| 01:29.30 | roo9 | http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314458 |
| 01:29.32 | roo9 | that's a mena article |
| 01:29.33 | roo9 | mean |
| 01:29.36 | abrotman | roo9: wrong channel |
| 01:29.54 | roo9 | abrotman: i just stumbled across that, i have no interest in doing it... |
| 01:29.57 | phorce1 | abrotman: I use Mahogany when in a windowed OS (X or M$) and can set each folder to relate to a specific address so I don't even have to "select" what address I'm sending "from" -- just have to be in the right folder when I hit "compose" |
| 01:30.00 | roo9 | i thought it was funny |
| 01:30.02 | Amarande | okay, glitchiness has been established on multiple OS |
| 01:30.05 | Amarande | this mouse is a wash |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | roo9: it's old .. very old ... |
| 01:30.15 | alus | abrotman: a typo for .xinitrc |
| 01:30.24 | abrotman | phorce1: apparently you get too much email |
| 01:30.30 | nvz | I only got two master luggage locks, I am most likely putting them both on this one bag |
| 01:30.47 | nvz | provided I can find the other one |
| 01:30.50 | Amarande | i get the double-click glitch both on X and windows |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | nvz: they don't let you lock them anymore |
| 01:30.55 | phorce1 | abrotman: Now I'm just trying to get a text mode MUA set up to do roughly the same (or at least let me choose) |
| 01:30.56 | abrotman | well .. on places |
| 01:30.59 | roo9 | does anyone know what filesystem my compact flash card uses? |
| 01:30.59 | abrotman | err planes |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | phorce1: and pine does this ? |
| 01:31.10 | shingouz | roo9: vfat usually |
| 01:31.14 | abrotman | roo9: vfat |
| 01:31.24 | dondelelcaro | anything that you think you'd need to lock you want to carry on with you |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/<device> |
| 01:31.47 | doneill | roo9, or whatever you want :P |
| 01:32.00 | KirbyMeister | how do you configure the MTA? |
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| 01:32.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: not always .. i don't like the idea of some idiot like asg snooping through my clothes/etc |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:32.13 | roo9 | shingouz, abrotman: nope, vfat can't mount. cfdisk says the partiton is FAT16, does vfat work for fat16 ? |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | roo9: fdisk -l /dev/<device> |
| 01:32.29 | XeLoN | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.34 | phorce1 | abrotman: Mail admin for an ISP (or three) and I also use separate addresses for each mailing list I subscribe to to help track where spam and viruses come from (and keep straight who I know from where -- or where a private exchange originated) |
| 01:32.36 | nvz | abrotman: this is a carry on bag, and its getting fucking locked, I am going on a bus, its not to stop them from stealing the contents, cause if they touch it when I get off at a stop, they are getting back on the bus anyhow, so they arent running off with anything.. but its to let me know if its been tampered with |
| 01:32.41 | shingouz | roo9: fat then |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | phorce1: yeah .. way more than i do about mail :) |
| 01:33.08 | abrotman | nvz: fly! |
| 01:33.12 | phorce1 | abrotman: Pine should. It allows multiple addresses and at least let's you select which to use. No idea how far I can automate the selection. |
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| 01:34.02 | roo9 | shingouz, abrotman: "mount: fs type fat not supported by kernel", fat support is set to be a module, but i have no fat module. |
| 01:34.04 | phorce1 | s/let's/lets |
| 01:34.07 | KirbyMeister | How do I configure the MTA, so that all the email sent comes out of my normal mail account? |
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| 01:34.16 | roo9 | shingouz, abrotman: or i simply don't know what it's called |
| 01:34.17 | abrotman | roo9: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 01:34.23 | Amarande | KirbyMeister: which mta? |
| 01:34.27 | paperclip_ | roo9: vfat? |
| 01:34.36 | roo9 | abrotman: yes |
| 01:34.42 | KirbyMeister | Amarande: The MTA that tries to configure upon base configuration. I skipped that part. |
| 01:34.52 | Amarande | for exim, which appears to be default, at least on sarge |
| 01:34.54 | nvz | abrotman: this was 1/2 the cost. and I get to retrace the steps I took comming here, get to see St Louis and stuff again. if I had notified 7 days in advance it would be 1/4 the cost of the cheapest one-way coach ticket |
| 01:34.56 | Amarande | you use /etc/email-addresses |
| 01:34.59 | roo9 | abrotman: CONFIG_FAT_FS=y && CONFIG_VFAT_FS=y |
| 01:35.00 | Amarande | in the format "user:address" |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | roo9: then you might not have support |
| 01:35.08 | phorce1 | KirbyMeister: Probably way too deep for general Debian help. Best bet would be to ask on a channel dedicated to your MTA |
| 01:35.17 | Amarande | any email that comes from user will be rewritten to come from address |
| 01:35.22 | Amarande | at least that's how i understand it |
| 01:35.24 | KirbyMeister | phorce1: i think it was called exim |
| 01:35.37 | Amarande | my MTA is currently out of commission, since I need to do user/password auth with my email server that I will be smarthosting thru :/ |
| 01:35.39 | KirbyMeister | It wanted to configure on base-config |
| 01:35.50 | phorce1 | KirbyMeister: Oh -- you skipped the config -- do dpkg-reconfigure exim |
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| 01:36.10 | abrotman | roo9: dunno then .. should just work .. |
| 01:36.12 | roo9 | abrotman: i do have both FAT and VFAT support. |
| 01:36.14 | Amarande | anyway, i'll be back later. |
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| 01:36.15 | sanxiyn | phorce1: Wrong. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. |
| 01:36.18 | nvz | abrotman: only bad thing is a transfer in Colombus. |
| 01:36.27 | nvz | damn I need to get my batteries charged |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | nvz: eww ... ohio! |
| 01:36.30 | KirbyMeister | okay, I have the config up |
| 01:36.44 | phorce1 | sanxiyn: depends on debian version |
| 01:36.50 | sanxiyn | Oh. |
| 01:36.51 | sanxiyn | Yes. |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | roo9: can you try a normal debian kernel ? |
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| 01:37.09 | nvz | abrotman: yeah, the worst part too.. I will for the hour or so I have to be in Colombus be the only caucasian in the population |
| 01:37.14 | gteppel | This may not be the right place to ask this question, but does anybody know of a ext2/ext3 driver for Windows. I'm dual booting and insteading of using the FAT32 file paritioning scheme to share data between XP and Linux. I'd like to use ext2/ext3 in Windows. |
| 01:37.20 | roo9 | abrotman: i fixed it, though it was very strange.... |
| 01:37.23 | KirbyMeister | it's asking me some question... I think I should pick 1 (Internet site; mail is sent and recieved directly using SMTP) |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | nvz: no .. i know another one :) |
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| 01:37.30 | abrotman | roo9: fixed it ? |
| 01:37.31 | phorce1 | KirbyMeister: read carefully through each questin and the possible answers. It should get you running fairly easily |
| 01:37.56 | phorce1 | KirbyMeister: No -- not unless you have a static IP and an MX record in DNS somewhere |
| 01:38.06 | roo9 | abrotman: i was trying to mount /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1, linux needs better error messages. |
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| 01:38.31 | abrotman | roo9: uhm .. right .. or a cluebat :) |
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| 01:39.03 | roo9 | abrotman: or less wine... |
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| 01:39.22 | pedrinho_rep51 | anyone can help me with nat configuration on debian |
| 01:39.36 | pedrinho_rep51 | ? |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | roo9: more wine is good |
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| 01:39.46 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 01:39.46 | dpkg | well, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:40.04 | sanxiyn | The most beautiful? Heh. |
| 01:40.19 | KirbyMeister | okay, I still have no Idea what the MTA does. I dont even know if it can talk to my ISP's server |
| 01:40.33 | *** part/#debian _ominae (~Unknown@ool-18e421d4.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:41.01 | roo9 | abrotman: yes... |
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| 01:41.17 | abrotman | snow snow snow! |
| 01:41.41 | prahal | abrotman: in europa ? well too much snow ... |
| 01:42.03 | phorce1 | KirbyMeister: shuld be able to fine -- you will have to do some custom changes that aren't covered in the config if your ISP requires SMTP Auth -- but that's best discussed n an exim channel (is there an exim channel) or in the exim docs/archive at exim.org |
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| 01:42.10 | abrotman | prahal: philly |
| 01:42.20 | shingouz | abrotman: snow is much overrated |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | shingouz: how so? |
| 01:42.56 | nvz | I should just do like that guy on that commercial, and suit up in 10 layers of clothing :P its going to be fuckin freezin in the burg |
| 01:43.23 | shingouz | abrotman: try sitting in a refrigerator for a while |
| 01:43.25 | cirdan | hey, any idea where to get the official php5? |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | shingouz: i have |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | cirdan: php.net ? |
| 01:43.34 | cirdan | i asked dpkg, and check the bug page |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | cirdan: afaik . no debian packages for php5 yet |
| 01:43.47 | cirdan | official for debian, abrotman |
| 01:43.53 | cirdan | according to the bug pagaes there are |
| 01:44.02 | abrotman | !info php5 sid |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | !info php5 experimental |
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| 01:44.14 | cirdan | !tell abrotman about php5 |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | cirdan: those aren't official |
| 01:44.38 | abrotman | cirdan: i've read that before . .thanks |
| 01:44.40 | cirdan | according to the debian bug page referenced there they did go in |
| 01:44.46 | cirdan | very recently |
| 01:45.10 | cirdan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.12 | abrotman | ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 01:45.31 | prahal | cirdan: they are in the NEW queue |
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| 01:45.35 | cirdan | ah |
| 01:45.35 | abrotman | cirdan: yep ... sitting in the queue .. take a seat .. |
| 01:45.36 | cirdan | ok |
| 01:45.43 | sanxiyn | NEW... |
| 01:45.59 | alus | queue |
| 01:46.01 | abrotman | cirdan: and they've only been there 5 hours ... |
| 01:46.06 | cirdan | hehe..."Package Pools have recently been introduced" |
| 01:46.20 | cirdan | abrotman: well that quote i pasted was from feb 7th |
| 01:46.53 | abrotman | cirdan: they maybe have uploaded more than one set? .. but none have made it to unstable ? |
| 01:47.00 | cirdan | dunno |
| 01:47.03 | stew | cirdan: for now get them from dotdeb, the new queue ftp-master seems to be in a sort of holding pattern |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | !maint php4 |
| 01:47.10 | cirdan | hm |
| 01:47.11 | dpkg | php4: Adam Conrad <adconrad@0c3.net> |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | ask him |
| 01:47.17 | stew | cirdan: they will not enter unstable until after sarge releases most likely |
| 01:47.25 | cirdan | i just dont want any conflicts w/the official packages |
| 01:47.28 | cirdan | ah |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | you know .. they should just release sarge :) |
| 01:47.37 | prahal | the only thing missing in new is te link to the unofficial packages :( |
| 01:47.50 | stew | abrotman: how much snow do you have there/ |
| 01:48.05 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. 6-8 inches maybe? .. still snowing though |
| 01:48.11 | stew | abrotman: are you going to have a snow day tomorrow or will you have to go to work? |
| 01:48.19 | cirdan | abrotman: yup |
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| 01:48.21 | stew | wow, we are only at an inch or so so far |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | stew: undecided .. if i can't get out .. i won't go :) |
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| 01:49.01 | abrotman | stew: sadly .. i'd probably get more work done at home :) |
| 01:49.17 | stew | all the better then |
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| 01:49.45 | prahal | nobody is worried that we are at around -10 in most of europa the 1st of march ... |
| 01:49.48 | abrotman | stew: my bosses don't think so ... they like to watch you work .. or so they make it seem |
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| 01:49.56 | phorce1 | abrotman: ewww job like mine -- I only go to the office because part of my job includes answering phones. Everything else I can do from here |
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| 01:50.11 | stew | phorce1: asterisk :) |
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| 01:50.21 | nvz | I am probably going to have to go buy a big duffle bag or something. I got no room for muh books :P |
| 01:50.26 | abrotman | phorce1: yeah .. except i've no vpn to the internal stuff |
| 01:50.40 | nikolaus | V/whois nikolaus |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | no thanks |
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| 01:50.54 | phorce1 | abro: If I need one I can ssh in and build it <sigh> |
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| 01:50.59 | abrotman | phorce1: just hit tab!!! |
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| 01:51.22 | abrotman | phorce1: oh .. we have win32 internal machines inside |
| 01:51.24 | phorce1 | crap -- still getting used to the switch from BitchX to irssi |
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| 01:51.36 | alus | how can I tell if DMA is enabled on an ide drive? |
| 01:51.47 | alus | scsi, sorry |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | !hdparm |
| 01:51.48 | dpkg | hdparm is probably the HD tuning tool. If your IDE drive seems sluggish, you should experiment with hdparm with the following options: unmasked irq (on), I/O support (3, 32bit w/sync), and multcount (16) and using dma (on), or read http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html, or apt-get install hdparm and RTFM :) |
| 01:51.49 | flammifer | hullo, I'm looking on advice on ssh |
| 01:51.55 | Thaiger | Why is it that most of the time when I use curl to get images they are corrupt? |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | oh .. scsi . doesn't have dma iirc |
| 01:52.05 | alus | really? |
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| 01:52.16 | abrotman | alus: scsi is good .. better than anything else |
| 01:52.22 | alus | google claims it does |
| 01:52.23 | swiftevilchild | hi i asked this before yesterday but i lost the info.. |
| 01:52.46 | swiftevilchild | how do i rerun the setup for x from command line cause it wont boot into gui due to my bad settings. |
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| 01:52.59 | LinuxUser | hi all |
| 01:53.03 | flammifer | um, I want to do ssh through a proxy, how do I know which ports are open ? Just which oens don't timeout ? |
| 01:53.15 | abrotman | !drxx swiftevilchild |
| 01:53.16 | dpkg | swiftevilchild: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:53.26 | swiftevilchild | there it is cool |
| 01:53.38 | LinuxUser | i' trying to find how to set permently $KDEDIRS, whre that is set up? |
| 01:53.44 | phorce1 | abrotman: We have both inside. I'd have to ssh in -- temporarily open ?139? on the firewall - remote desktop in to a winbox - build the vpn - close the remote desktop port - use the vpn -- ick. Most of my stuff is accessible from outside or via ssh though. |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | phorce1: lovely .. i think it's easier just to go to work :) |
| 01:54.29 | LinuxUser | Where to set $KDEDIR |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 01:54.47 | abrotman | or #kde |
| 01:54.53 | phorce1 | abrotman: 50 miles one way -- probably take the same amount of time. heh |
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| 01:55.05 | abrotman | phorce1: i'm only 15 one way |
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| 01:56.19 | doneill | pfft, you fossil. |
| 01:56.22 | doneill | i'm 9. |
| 01:56.32 | zeeeee | hi all, how can i determine my system's uptime? /sbin/sysctl -n kern.boottime doesn't work... |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | miles |
| 01:56.54 | maher | zeeeee: uptime |
| 01:57.06 | doneill | that's so quaint. |
| 01:57.06 | gradzac | zeeeee: did you try "uptime" |
| 01:57.10 | phorce1 | abrotman: wish I were 10 - 20 so I could ride the bike. desk job is making me fat |
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| 01:57.21 | abrotman | phorce1: too cold ... can't ride a bike |
| 01:57.22 | doneill | phorce1, i ride a bike, everyday. |
| 01:57.28 | doneill | 750cc Honda. |
| 01:57.31 | doneill | :> |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | doneill: mt. bike |
| 01:57.45 | zeeeee | maher, gradzac : oh ok, but just outta curiosity, googling for 'kern.boottime' seems pretty standard, is debian the only one that's different? or what? |
| 01:57.47 | doneill | basically, only it grew with me. |
| 01:57.49 | phorce1 | abrotman: SE Texas -- cold is when it drops into the 60's |
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| 01:57.59 | abrotman | phorce1: i know .. you people suck! :) |
| 01:58.04 | gradzac | zeeeee: I have always used uptime |
| 01:58.14 | simonrvn | i ride a bike too. in the winter. doesn't have an engine either, except for my legs ;) |
| 01:58.15 | WiFiTux | hey, is someone having trouble with hotplug and loading firmwares today? |
| 01:58.28 | maher | zeeeee: running uptime seems pretty standard to me... |
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| 01:58.36 | LinuxUser | I CANT SEE IT IN THE FAQ |
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| 01:58.41 | tweekken | uptime is quite standard see *NIX man pages |
| 01:58.44 | simonrvn | cold is -30. centigrade |
| 01:58.47 | LinuxUser | NEEDER GOOGLE |
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| 01:59.13 | cafuego | cold is 25 celsius. |
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| 01:59.20 | doneill | cold is -25c. |
| 01:59.24 | cafuego | LinuxUser: Check your caps-locl key. |
| 01:59.25 | doneill | or yeah, -30 |
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| 01:59.33 | zeeeee | okk thanks gradzac, maher |
| 01:59.34 | phorce1 | doneill: When I was 10 miles from work I rode the bike. Now it's 50 miles and I work 17 hour shifts the days I go in. I carry so much crap with me I have to take the truck <grin> |
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| 02:00.11 | doneill | phorce1, 'oh i ha~~ve to...' pfft, ozone hater :P |
| 02:00.13 | abrotman | phorce1: you mean a motorbike .. not a bicycle |
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| 02:00.24 | tweekken | isnt the idea of cold partially related to your ability to deal with it? |
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| 02:00.35 | cafuego | 10 miles is only 45m, easily cyclable. |
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| 02:00.36 | doneill | i hate the cold, dammit. |
| 02:00.38 | simonrvn | tweekken: only partially ;P |
| 02:00.43 | phorce1 | abrotman: no, I rode a bicycle 10 miles each way when work was only 10 miles away |
| 02:00.49 | abrotman | phorce1: ah .. ok |
| 02:00.54 | doneill | i moved here from LA. |
| 02:01.02 | LinuxUser | THANK YOU TO LET ME KNOW! but can you tell me how can i set KDEDIR PERMENTLY without doind export KDEDIRS=/usr:/usr/local/kde... |
| 02:01.09 | doneill | it's survivable, i walked to/from work through the thick of the winter |
| 02:01.24 | rags | hi i cant get X windows to load. i used debconf off of sarge to build my xfree86config file, and X wont load. Ive got a Dell e172fp monitor, and an nvidia geforcefx ti 4800, both of which are entered properly into my config file, yet i get the X error of "no valid screens" when i go to start x. help plz? |
| 02:01.28 | cafuego | it is now 33.6°C |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | LinuxUser: #kde |
| 02:01.45 | phorce1 | abrotman: I'm still workin on the buddy that's talking about selling his Harley -- THAT bike I'll ride the 50 miles to work. :-D |
| 02:01.48 | cafuego | !noscreensfound |
| 02:01.49 | dpkg | methinks noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. |
| 02:02.05 | *** part/#debian sanxiyn (~tinuviel@222.233.187.95) |
| 02:02.19 | simonrvn | probably -15 or so ATM |
| 02:02.21 | doneill | rags, what is "plz"? |
| 02:02.24 | tweekken | LinuxUser: .profile .bashrc .zshrc .cshrc .bash_profile .tcshrc |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: ID ? |
| 02:02.41 | LinuxUser | abrotman : i type #kde and it will set my kdedirs? |
| 02:02.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: eh? no, temp. |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | LinuxUser: it's a channel .. go there |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | simonrvn: i meant .. you're there .. ID |
| 02:03.00 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: wtf, that,s a channel, silly |
| 02:03.02 | doneill | Probability Lotharginized Zone |
| 02:03.16 | simonrvn | abrotman: you lost me |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: you don't live in idaho ? |
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| 02:03.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: no |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | hmm .. i wonder who that is |
| 02:03.52 | simonrvn | someone else ;) |
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| 02:03.57 | LinuxUser | simonrvn: how to i invoke #kde chanel to set kdedirs? |
| 02:04.05 | abrotman | LinuxUser: /j #kde |
| 02:04.07 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: /join #kde |
| 02:04.24 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: /help is useful too. e.g., /help join |
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| 02:04.39 | abrotman | i think /leave is great! |
| 02:04.45 | calin | /leave ? |
| 02:04.59 | simonrvn | /quit is even better ;p |
| 02:05.07 | alus | /quit rocks |
| 02:05.07 | calin | nah |
| 02:05.08 | calin | /part |
| 02:05.11 | phorce1 | simonrvn: hope he /leaves #debian -- depending on his client he'll be REALLY confused with 2 cahnnels if they're in one window ;-D |
| 02:05.14 | doneill | /exec -o init 6? |
| 02:05.23 | LinuxUser | simonrvn: i open a konsol and typed /j #kde and it say bash: /j: not found |
| 02:05.24 | calin | hahaha |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | doneill: who ircs as root ? |
| 02:05.34 | alus | I do |
| 02:05.34 | calin | Newbies |
| 02:05.35 | doneill | abrotman, people who you could trick into doing that? |
| 02:05.38 | calin | I did it once |
| 02:05.39 | cirdan | heh |
| 02:05.40 | abrotman | LinuxUser: you're god damn trolling now .. |
| 02:05.44 | simonrvn | doneill: and *that's* why you don't IRC as root ;) |
| 02:05.45 | phorce1 | troll |
| 02:06.00 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: in your freaking irc client |
| 02:06.03 | cirdan | gobblin |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | which is fairly obvious .. since you managed to get into #debian-kde fucking asshole |
| 02:06.11 | simonrvn | idjit |
| 02:06.16 | calin | tard |
| 02:06.23 | doneill | whippersnapper |
| 02:06.27 | calin | hahaha |
| 02:06.28 | simonrvn | caca-mouth |
| 02:06.29 | LinuxUser | i use xcat to chat |
| 02:06.35 | calin | doneill: old person |
| 02:06.41 | doneill | hooligan |
| 02:06.48 | simonrvn | turd for brains |
| 02:07.08 | doneill | whatever happened to smeghead? |
| 02:07.13 | shingouz | woo |
| 02:07.17 | simonrvn | *SMEGHEAD* |
| 02:07.36 | calin | <3 jolie booblies |
| 02:07.44 | LinuxUser | il y a qulqu'un asser gentil pour me dire comment je fait pour rendre seter KDEDIR tout le temps? |
| 02:07.47 | doneill | 'booblies' == 'eyes', people. |
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| 02:07.56 | shingouz | !fr |
| 02:07.57 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 02:07.57 | abrotman | !ops LinuxUser trolling idiot |
| 02:07.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: LinuxUser trolling idiot |
| 02:08.06 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: tu fais /join #kde, puis tu demandes lĂ -bas |
| 02:08.11 | LinuxUser | quand je fait uune compile cela me dir que KDEDIR is not set |
| 02:08.15 | calin | abrotman: dun think so |
| 02:08.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:08.27 | doneill | LinuxUser, avec, je suis oui mais cornichon, comprend-pas? |
| 02:08.31 | abrotman | he was speaking english perfectly fine . and then he goes to french ? |
| 02:08.35 | calin | yeah |
| 02:08.40 | abrotman | he's trolling |
| 02:08.45 | shingouz | troll |
| 02:08.50 | calin | abrotman: sorry, i though you misused !ops |
| 02:08.59 | doneill | with, i am yes but pickle, don't understand? |
| 02:09.03 | calin | I thought !ops just listed the opnames |
| 02:09.03 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 772] by debhelper |
| 02:09.09 | LinuxUser | doneill : le join le tape ou |
| 02:09.09 | WiFiTux | someone knows how can I rollback a package from Sid? Unfortunately is hotplug package. |
| 02:09.12 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: pis arrĂŞte de demander ici |
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| 02:09.21 | abrotman | please .. don't speak french here |
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| 02:09.26 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: tu le fais dans ton crisse de client d'IRC |
| 02:09.32 | LinuxUser | debian is french is it? |
| 02:09.32 | abrotman | WiFiTux: snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:09.33 | shingouz | lemmesee if i can troll a bit. is there a gaim-like client that understands webcams on MSN? |
| 02:09.36 | abrotman | !fr |
| 02:09.36 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 02:09.37 | simmerz | how would I egrep for 'install' but not 'deinstall'? |
| 02:09.40 | LinuxUser | or international |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | not this channel |
| 02:09.55 | doneill | shingouz, no, but there's one for yahoo. EGyach |
| 02:09.58 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: lingua franca is english here |
| 02:10.03 | doneill | Mic, Cam, etcetera |
| 02:10.16 | swatikiss | how can i install an old version of a program |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:10.24 | swatikiss | of a specific build |
| 02:10.26 | swatikiss | cool thangs |
| 02:10.27 | shingouz | doneill: egyach? you sure |
| 02:10.31 | simonrvn | swatikiss: very carefully |
| 02:10.31 | swatikiss | k |
| 02:10.32 | doneill | i be so chur |
| 02:10.41 | doneill | i met my horrible ex on there |
| 02:10.45 | doneill | how lame is that |
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| 02:10.52 | swatikiss | i have to install an older wine to get a game working i thinks |
| 02:10.53 | doneill | now i have a dozen horrible children |
| 02:11.03 | shingouz | :) |
| 02:11.05 | doneill | i curse that wretched application |
| 02:11.11 | jetscreamer | so what, you just ./configure make make install, generally? |
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| 02:11.19 | gradzac | doneill: what is the name of the program for yahoo? |
| 02:11.26 | WiFiTux | abrotman, so remove the Sid line, and add those 2? unfortunately hotplug wants to remove gnome and all that.. |
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| 02:11.32 | LinuxUser | whell je suis offusqué by the proffessionalisme de votre équipe |
| 02:11.36 | doneill | gradzac, yahoo mega |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | !ops LinuxUser continuing to troll .. and now in french |
| 02:11.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: LinuxUser continuing to troll .. and now in french |
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| 02:11.51 | gradzac | doneill: thanks |
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| 02:12.06 | LinuxUser | will make a nice in a news |
| 02:12.12 | doneill | LinuxUser, oi, anglais svp. |
| 02:12.24 | simonrvn | LinuxUser: um, we're not professionas. where did you get that idea |
| 02:12.26 | abrotman | damn it .. stop speaking french in here |
| 02:12.35 | doneill | abrotman, do you speak french? |
| 02:12.39 | LinuxUser | i see |
| 02:12.42 | abrotman | doneill: not in years |
| 02:12.57 | LinuxUser | iM doing my best but is it the debian author french? |
| 02:13.07 | doneill | no |
| 02:13.08 | abrotman | are you fucking joking me? |
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| 02:13.12 | simonrvn | you're delusional if you think we're professionals... |
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| 02:13.19 | doneill | iyam! *picks his nose* |
| 02:13.20 | calin | hahahaha |
| 02:13.20 | bucky | LinuxUser, your thinking of mandrake |
| 02:13.27 | doneill | Ahm a reeel profeshunail! |
| 02:13.28 | LinuxUser | the first one to make the debian team? |
| 02:13.38 | calin | doneill: mmmmmyup |
| 02:13.42 | maher | LinuxUser: ian jackson is american afaik |
| 02:13.44 | bucky | LinuxUser, you mean ian murdock? |
| 02:13.45 | doneill | *chews on the contents* |
| 02:13.50 | simonrvn | FFS |
| 02:13.52 | LinuxUser | maybe debra? |
| 02:13.55 | doneill | bucky, wasn't he in Dark City? |
| 02:13.56 | jetscreamer | where's the "how the fuck do you compile gnome shit" channel |
| 02:14.04 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 02:14.04 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 02:14.12 | doneill | their own l33t network |
| 02:14.13 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 02:14.16 | abrotman | why can't we get more damn ops ? |
| 02:14.16 | simonrvn | fucking dufus |
| 02:14.16 | doneill | no <3 for freenode :< |
| 02:14.21 | maher | LinuxUser: oops i mean ian murdock |
| 02:14.28 | LinuxUser | yeo |
| 02:14.31 | LinuxUser | yep |
| 02:14.42 | maher | abrotman: just ignore |
| 02:14.49 | simonrvn | abrotman: i'd do it, but i doubt EE would ever let me be an op ever again |
| 02:14.53 | abrotman | maher: that works for me .. but the rest of the channel has to put up with it |
| 02:15.07 | maher | abrotman: no one else seems upset yet |
| 02:15.07 | bucky | LinuxUser, http://www.progeny.com/about/team.html#imurdock |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: i don't care who it is .. we need people who are actually here |
| 02:15.12 | bucky | here's you man |
| 02:15.13 | TheMoebius | hey do you guys know how I can make the command 'dhcpcd eth1' run every time I boot my router? |
| 02:15.24 | abrotman | maher: simonrvn already /ignore'd .. |
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| 02:15.28 | LinuxUser | did i do sumting not good? |
| 02:15.41 | scarynetworkguy | !tell TheMoebius about man interfaces |
| 02:15.42 | simonrvn | TheMoebius: by using the init script |
| 02:15.56 | shingouz | i have had that moron on ignore for quite some time. sweet silence |
| 02:16.02 | TheMoebius | simonrvn, mmmm ok how do I do that? |
| 02:16.07 | simonrvn | or doing "up foo" in the interfaces file like scarynetworkguy said |
| 02:16.09 | TheMoebius | is there I file i just add it to or what |
| 02:16.33 | rags | ok, after redoing the reconfigure with debconf, now its apparently that the nv driver doesnt support my video chipset. so where can i find a listing for an nvidia driver package to apt-get that will support my card? nvidia geforce4 ti 4800? |
| 02:16.36 | scarynetworkguy | TheMoebius: Did you read what the bot told you? |
| 02:17.00 | TheMoebius | scarynetworkguy, ok I didn't see the pm |
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| 02:17.38 | scarynetworkguy | TheMoebius: Heh. Go read that and all shall be clear. |
| 02:17.45 | TheMoebius | ok thx |
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| 02:17.51 | LinuxUser | thhank you all for the help, i will come back with a dificule hanser lke this one |
| 02:17.51 | akusarujin | is there any way i can search to see if a Realtek ALC850 is supported under ALSA? |
| 02:17.52 | scarynetworkguy | !thx |
| 02:17.53 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
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| 02:17.59 | akusarujin | i'm trying to find Realtek under their sound card matrix |
| 02:18.08 | gradzac | akusarujin: go to ALSA's web site |
| 02:18.12 | akusarujin | i am.. |
| 02:18.15 | akusarujin | :) |
| 02:18.27 | gradzac | they have a list of all the supported cards there |
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| 02:18.41 | akusarujin | yeah, but is Realtek another name for the company or something? i wonder :) |
| 02:18.58 | akusarujin | i don't see Realtek on the list, but i know Realtek is supported (not sure about this one though) |
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| 02:19.31 | xerophyte | if you have unix time 1098680400 how can i convert to normal time ? |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | xerophyte: man time ? |
| 02:20.03 | abrotman | err date |
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| 02:20.20 | LinuxUser | i found debian-fr :) |
| 02:20.32 | abrotman | use /leave please |
| 02:20.37 | Mefdahl | Anyone know how to set what festival uses for its output? |
| 02:20.39 | LinuxUser | maybe i will find help tyhere |
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| 02:21.12 | scarynetworkguy | Mefdahl: man festival |
| 02:22.00 | Mefdahl | ;-) |
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| 02:22.57 | Glitch_Master | Hey.. um... |
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| 02:23.13 | Glitch_Master | X locks up on sleep. I can't bring it out of it. |
| 02:23.25 | LinuxUser | is there a chanel debian kde french? |
| 02:23.46 | Glitch_Master | Err... well, either X locks up or the whole Kernel locks up, but I think it's just X locking up and preventing access... |
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| 02:24.00 | LinuxUser | i did /j #debian-kde-french but i think there no one there |
| 02:24.02 | Glitch_Master | Althought I'd think holding the power button would do something otherwise... |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: try to ssh in remotely if you wan tto know |
| 02:24.27 | Glitch_Master | abrotman: I don't have the resources for that, unfortunately. |
| 02:24.38 | Glitch_Master | This is my one and only working computer. |
| 02:24.47 | abrotman | look in the log files to see if you can tell why it's crashing |
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| 02:24.51 | Glitch_Master | I need a power supply before I can make use of my junk boxes. |
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| 02:25.31 | Gwildor | hello |
| 02:25.31 | Glitch_Master | aborman: Path of file and keyword (commands carried out for sleep), if you would so kindly provide them? |
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| 02:26.09 | Glitch_Master | I've since disabled it and rebooted quite a few times for various reasons. |
| 02:26.32 | Gwildor | (STABLE) i am having a problem with synaptic, it crashes after i mark a package, and gives no output when launched from terminal (STABLE) |
| 02:26.35 | Glitch_Master | So it'd help to know what to look for. |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | say what? |
| 02:26.46 | abrotman | look in the log file .. it will tell you why it crashed |
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| 02:27.05 | Gwildor | ooops.....TESTING, :( |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | use apt-get ? |
| 02:27.20 | Glitch_Master | It was a while ago, though. I was wondering if there'd be some "standby command" to look for, if it logs commands. |
| 02:27.37 | Glitch_Master | Anyway, where is this log file? |
| 02:27.48 | Gwildor | this is a laptob i am setting up for a friend |
| 02:27.51 | Gwildor | laptop |
| 02:28.06 | shingouz | Gwildor: you are setting it up on *testing*? |
| 02:28.07 | abrotman | /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 02:28.34 | abrotman | !dance |
| 02:28.40 | Gwildor | shingouz, i needed to install from floppy.........this is all i could find |
| 02:28.44 | abrotman | /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old |
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| 02:29.31 | Gwildor | shingouz, besides, all he really needs is a working desktop, but i will teach him synaptic, so he can install some stuff. |
| 02:29.32 | shingouz | Gwildor: geeee..... sarge at most if you install it for a friend for $DEITY's sake! |
| 02:30.22 | Gwildor | best i sould do......can you find any other floppy sets? |
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| 02:30.31 | Gwildor | s/sould/could |
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| 02:30.41 | abrotman | floppy sets for what? |
| 02:30.47 | maher | Gwildor: have you installed? |
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| 02:30.49 | shingouz | Gwildor: all versions of debian have floppies too... |
| 02:30.56 | Gwildor | anything other than testing |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | !bf |
| 02:31.00 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 02:31.07 | abrotman | there are woody floppies |
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| 02:31.26 | Gwildor | jeez, couldaq used this help a few days ago......... |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | we're always here :) |
| 02:31.36 | sdogi | huh, ok.. what am i missing here? i friggin followed the manual it told me that i need rescue and root floppy.. then i found out that i need drivers floppy too, first drivers floppy, but now it actually asks me for second one too?! |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:31.38 | dpkg | it has been said that ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:31.44 | sdogi | i need so many floppys for network install? |
| 02:31.55 | Gwildor | i only needed 3 |
| 02:32.00 | abrotman | sdogi: usually either 2 or 6 |
| 02:32.04 | Phated | For woody you need 6. |
| 02:32.08 | abrotman | no |
| 02:32.10 | sdogi | huh |
| 02:32.14 | abrotman | woody can be done with 2 |
| 02:32.15 | sdogi | what do i need then |
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| 02:32.18 | Gwildor | well, can i get some help on the synaptic problem? |
| 02:32.26 | Empty | I did woody on my laptop with 3 |
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| 02:32.38 | maher | Gwildor: is this a fresh testing install? |
| 02:32.59 | sdogi | i just need to do simple network install which has turned into nightmare because i'm having other issues too |
| 02:33.01 | bucky | sdogi, if you don't have any exotic hardware you can just cancel the drivers part and it will go ahead an install the base from the net |
| 02:33.01 | Gwildor | maher, installed Xchat......thats it, but synaptic failed BEFORE then |
| 02:33.16 | maher | Gwildor: have you checked the bts |
| 02:33.22 | sdogi | bucky: but for that i would have to set up network right? it won't allow me |
| 02:33.24 | bucky | sdogi, otherwise get the four drivers floppies |
| 02:33.26 | Empty | sdogi is this a desktop? |
| 02:33.26 | Gwildor | maher, bts? |
| 02:33.30 | abrotman | !bts |
| 02:33.30 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install ... |
| 02:33.36 | sdogi | Empty: what do you mean? |
| 02:33.41 | sdogi | yes it's desktop |
| 02:33.46 | sdogi | not laptop |
| 02:33.56 | bucky | sdogi, depends on which nic you have and if the driver is built into the kernel already |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:34.06 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 02:34.10 | sdogi | it's 3com 509 |
| 02:34.12 | Empty | sdogi I mean a desktop, not a server |
| 02:34.29 | sdogi | Empty: what difference does it make when i'm doing network install? |
| 02:34.37 | bucky | sdogi, you'll prolly need the driver floppies |
| 02:34.43 | Empty | sdogi, you might be happier with the Sarge debian-installer CD, it's only a 100 meg ISO and it will be *much* easier for you |
| 02:34.44 | sdogi | oh ok |
| 02:34.54 | sdogi | Empty: yeah well i don't have cd burner here |
| 02:35.30 | Empty | sdogi Oh, well then... Floppies it is :) |
| 02:35.38 | sdogi | bucky: sure that 3c509 driver isn't in some, maby root disk? where could i check it out anyway |
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| 02:36.05 | Empty | sdogi, Like someone just said though it should be fine for a net install as long as you can get your ethernet card up |
| 02:36.05 | bucky | sdogi, check the install manual.. |
| 02:36.05 | sdogi | in manual it only told me that i need damn 2 floppies :I then i was told i need one driver floppy |
| 02:36.10 | sdogi | now it asks me even more, huh |
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| 02:36.23 | Empty | and (to repeat whoever that was again) so long as you don't have RAID or funky video cards or anything |
| 02:36.33 | bucky | sdogi, bullshit |
| 02:36.46 | sdogi | bucky: i did, that's the problem, if i had told first that i need all the driver floppys i would have got them all |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | sdogi: i told oyu .. 2 or 6 |
| 02:36.49 | Phated | Of course, you -could- just have gotten them all. I mean, it's fucking six megs, what are you on, 1400 baud? |
| 02:36.53 | abrotman | if you're really unlucky .. 40 or so :) |
| 02:36.53 | Empty | sdogi, 6 total, but that is a *lot* of drivers you probably don't need |
| 02:37.01 | bucky | sdogi, do i need to find the page for you |
| 02:37.12 | asg | Phated: s/14/12/ |
| 02:37.15 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:37.16 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 02:37.25 | Phated | asg: Yeah. |
| 02:38.04 | sdogi | bucky: i have been looking them 2 hours now, i even wrote to someone about that, it's like total bulls*it, this is not the way manuals are written |
| 02:38.17 | bucky | sdogi, you're not going to be happy with it anyway.. you don't know how to read |
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| 02:38.51 | maher | sdogi: feel free to send patches to the docs maintainers |
| 02:38.56 | abrotman | sdogi: i know for a fact installs work with 2 floppies .. if you have the right hardware |
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| 02:39.02 | sdogi | bucky: lol, i guess it's typical here to treat anyone as newbie |
| 02:39.08 | Phated | Or six, if you don't. |
| 02:39.13 | Segers_J | I have a Sarge box that is unresponsive from the box, but allows a ssh connection. In the past, killing X brings it back to life, but at the cost of all the work that was in progress. It has only died while the screen saver is running. There are many GetModeLine lines at the tail of /var/log/XFree86.0.log if that helps. Any ideas? |
| 02:39.37 | Phated | Svae work regularly and disable your screensaver. |
| 02:39.41 | asg | Segers_J: then stop using a screensaver and just use xset b |
| 02:39.44 | sdogi | abrotman: ok, i buy you.. it's just if there was way i could look out where are 3c509 drivers located i would know exacly |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | Segers_J: you sohuld talk to Glitch_Master |
| 02:39.50 | bucky | sdogi, the install manual is written in about 50 languages.. if you can't figure out where www.debian.org. is then there's not much we can do |
| 02:40.02 | abrotman | sdogi: you can .. mount the floppy images |
| 02:40.19 | Glitch_Master | Hmmm... |
| 02:40.20 | sdogi | abrotman: oh, right, lol |
| 02:40.23 | sdogi | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:40.47 | rixth | How do I play audio cds in Xmms? |
| 02:40.55 | Glitch_Master | ... |
| 02:41.02 | Glitch_Master | Please tell me he didn't come here to ask that! >.< |
| 02:41.03 | Segers_J | Glitch_Master: any idea why abro |
| 02:41.06 | sdogi | bucky: if you don't have anything to say then don't start talking trash please |
| 02:41.07 | Glitch_Master | Segers, I've encountered some "corrupt" screensavers. |
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| 02:41.22 | bluefox83 | how do you change the userlimit on a system? |
| 02:41.26 | bucky | sdogi bucky: i did, that's the problem, if i had told first that i need all the driver floppys i would have got them all |
| 02:41.26 | maher | rixth: get the xmms audio cd plugin |
| 02:41.31 | abrotman | bluefox83: man ulimit |
| 02:41.31 | bluefox83 | the result you get from ulimit -n |
| 02:41.33 | rixth | maher: thanks |
| 02:41.38 | bucky | sdogi, see... this really isn't my problem |
| 02:41.39 | asg | bluefox83: and 'help ulimit' |
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| 02:41.44 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: i have had to turn off certain screensavers |
| 02:41.52 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: intel vidoe card? |
| 02:41.57 | Segers_J | Glitch_Master: it has always been showing the same kind of screensaver |
| 02:41.57 | Glitch_Master | No. Radeon. |
| 02:42.02 | Glitch_Master | ATI |
| 02:42.04 | Glitch_Master | (obviously) |
| 02:42.06 | sdogi | bucky: then why are you still talking |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | Segers_J: intel or ati? |
| 02:42.21 | abrotman | bluefox83: man ulimit |
| 02:42.29 | Glitch_Master | Segers_J: You haven't set it to random or played around with the fun screensavers? What's wrong with you?! :P |
| 02:42.38 | Segers_J | abrotman: nvidia geforce 3 ti |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | oh god |
| 02:42.44 | abrotman | #ati |
| 02:42.45 | Glitch_Master | Hehe... That might do it. XD |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | #intel |
| 02:42.54 | bucky | sdogi, your the one placing blame just because you don't know how to do an install |
| 02:42.56 | asg | abrotman: don't forget #cake |
| 02:42.58 | bluefox83 | nothing happens for man ulimit, says no manual entry.. |
| 02:43.07 | asg | bluefox83: 'help ulimit' |
| 02:43.13 | Glitch_Master | Segers_J: Care to join me in my plot to blow up Chaintech Inc.? |
| 02:43.15 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: Segers_J: i turned off all GL screensavers .. lockups stopped |
| 02:43.23 | bluefox83 | that just tells you the triggers for how to get it to report the user limit |
| 02:43.33 | Glitch_Master | abrotman: Nah, I just had corrupt ones. GL is fine. Certain ones were icky. |
| 02:43.36 | asg | bluefox83: and set them also |
| 02:43.42 | Segers_J | Glitch_Master: no, it's on random, it's just always on the same one when it crashes, I hadn't noticed though. |
| 02:43.44 | Glitch_Master | They sort of... badified. |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: ok then |
| 02:43.59 | Glitch_Master | Segers_J: Ah. |
| 02:44.19 | Glitch_Master | Segers_J: Worse case scenerio, you'll have to manually remove the screensaver file because the preview crashes it sometimes. |
| 02:44.31 | rixth | maher: The CD player plugin is enabled but I still can't play the CD (yet Goobox can) |
| 02:44.31 | Glitch_Master | Mine were so bad I had to restart every time. Ctrl+alt+backspace did nothing. |
| 02:44.33 | sdogi | bucky: i'm pointing out that manual is really making people to do lot more then they should, please don't start blaming people that they are stupid when you have skills with debian because you have used it and i haven't.. this makes you debian troll |
| 02:44.36 | Glitch_Master | No keyboard response. |
| 02:44.40 | bucky | sdogi, just because you don't know how to do an install... that's not our problem |
| 02:44.49 | sdogi | bucky: i have used many GNU/Linux distributions and i haven't had such problems |
| 02:44.51 | bluefox83 | asg, not according to the help screen that scrolled past.. |
| 02:44.51 | Glitch_Master | Restart, reboot. Shoot me. |
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| 02:45.11 | abrotman | asg: will you check my bag? |
| 02:45.13 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:45.15 | bucky | sdogi, you don't have to read the manual to instal an rpm based distro |
| 02:45.32 | sdogi | bucky: lol |
| 02:45.36 | Glitch_Master | Segers_J: Just go through your screensavers with nothing important running. Preview each one that's enabled. Find the bad one and disable it. Also, check all of them. Save yourself some time. |
| 02:45.44 | bucky | sdogi, so go back to redhat |
| 02:45.45 | sdogi | bucky: what are you trying to say |
| 02:45.46 | Segers_J | Glitch_Master: mine still responds to ssh, but the keyboard is useless until I kill X |
| 02:45.58 | sdogi | bucky: you are so stupid you know that |
| 02:46.07 | asg | bluefox83: ulimit: ulimit [-SHacdflmnpstuv] [limit] (the [limit] part indicates the variable placeholder for setting said limit(s)) |
| 02:46.10 | abrotman | wtf are you people babbling about ? |
| 02:46.12 | bucky | sdogi, i know how to install debian |
| 02:46.17 | Segers_J | Glitch_Master: sounds like a plan. Thanks :) |
| 02:46.25 | sdogi | bucky: because you have installed it before, and possibly encountered the same problems |
| 02:46.28 | abrotman | !d-i sdogi |
| 02:46.29 | dpkg | sdogi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | if it's a workstation |
| 02:46.38 | Glitch_Master | Yeah... Unfortunately I only have one computer. I can't access remotely. I could really use an old, free laptop to use as a remote terminal... |
| 02:46.42 | abrotman | but the froppies do work |
| 02:46.51 | asg | abrotman: froppychino? |
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| 02:46.58 | sdogi | dpkg: does it save my from downloading many floppys ?:) |
| 02:47.03 | bluefox83 | asg, how about how to set the ulimit from 100 to 1024 like it should be? |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | asg: with hot sauce!! |
| 02:47.09 | bucky | sdogi, no.. you go about your business.. install woody and then come back here and bitch about it |
| 02:47.11 | asg | abrotman: yum |
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| 02:47.27 | asg | bluefox83: for which value? |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | sdogi: one 110MB CD |
| 02:47.36 | bluefox83 | -n |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:47.38 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 02:47.54 | OmiKrOn | hi all |
| 02:48.10 | OmiKrOn | how do i configure wich services should start at different startup levels? |
| 02:48.16 | asg | bluefox83: ulimit -n 1024 |
| 02:48.19 | Segers_J | Glitch_Master: dude, get an old POS computer (I got a P2 200 for $5) |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | sounds like Segers_J goes shopping in altoona |
| 02:48.49 | Segers_J | hahahaha |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | OmiKrOn: update-rc.d |
| 02:48.51 | OmiKrOn | Segers_J: lets startup a biz get them in romania and i`ll sell`em foe 150$ :) |
| 02:48.54 | sdogi | bucky: if you care then i actually have used debian a lot, i find it a bit better than my usual distro slackware, it just came as suprise that manual didn't tell me that i need all the driver floppyes to do network install |
| 02:48.55 | OmiKrOn | thanks |
| 02:49.03 | abrotman | Segers_J: do you actually know where that is ? |
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| 02:49.10 | Mefdahl | OmiKrOn, man init |
| 02:49.15 | Segers_J | abrotman: no |
| 02:49.15 | asg | bluefox83: if that doesn't work because you aren't root, look at /etc/security/limits.conf (to set such things for non rootly folk) |
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| 02:49.32 | abrotman | Segers_J: west central PA |
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| 02:49.46 | Segers_J | abrotman: there is a lake near my house with that name though. :) |
| 02:49.52 | Glitch_Master | Segers_J: I don't have room for something big. However, I'd love to make use of that shitty P2 box I have (I have many junk boxes). I need to give it monkeys.. err. a power supply, though. |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | Segers_J: there's a lake altoona ? |
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| 02:50.13 | Segers_J | abrotman |
| 02:50.16 | Segers_J | oops |
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| 02:50.38 | sdogi | bucky: you have no right to start pissing people off with text like go read the manual when i have like readed it over two hours and stuff like that, it makes you usual smartass who hasn't got anything to say to you have to say something |
| 02:50.42 | Segers_J | abrotman: dunno the spelling, but yeah, north Georgia |
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| 02:50.47 | sdogi | ok anyway thanks to people who helped me |
| 02:50.48 | WiFiTux | how can I tell when was this package release or added into debian Sid? hotplug_0.0.20040329-17_all.deb? |
| 02:51.02 | ws[7c0] | is anyone here using ndiswrapper w/ thier wlan card? |
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| 02:51.08 | travisat | sdogi: rtfm! again |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | Segers_J: nice |
| 02:51.14 | asg | ws[7c0]: /msg dpkg ask |
| 02:51.32 | sdogi | travisat: don't know, i'm going to buy glasses soon, i think i'll better write new one |
| 02:51.38 | Mefdahl | WiFiTux, just a guess but... the 20040329 should be a clue |
| 02:51.40 | sdogi | this one is crap |
| 02:51.59 | travisat | are you sure thats not your upper lip your smelling |
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| 02:52.09 | sdogi | at least about installing from network, it's like too chaotic |
| 02:52.09 | abrotman | sdogi: write one what? |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | sdogi: use the sarge stuff .. it's muc much better |
| 02:52.29 | WiFiTux | Mefdahl, and -17 should tell you, that after that date, there are 17 versions :) |
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| 02:52.49 | serialkiller | how do i add a user to my system buit spcify the password on command line, not the normal add user script |
| 02:52.51 | serialkiller | ? |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | adduser |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | instead of useradd |
| 02:53.05 | asg | WiFiTux: look at the changelog for the package |
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| 02:53.13 | WiFiTux | asg, how is that? |
| 02:53.18 | serialkiller | adduser promts fo rpassword |
| 02:53.21 | sdogi | abrotman: well i guess if my anger about this thing won't fade i'll try to make anything possible to make peoples life easier when they are trying to do network install with floppyes |
| 02:53.31 | asg | WiFiTux: /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 02:53.42 | travisat | serialkiller: useradd install of adduser, I believe |
| 02:53.47 | nevyn_ | serialkiller: try useradd |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | sdogi: then try the sarge boot floppies |
| 02:53.54 | travisat | s/install/instead/ |
| 02:53.56 | WiFiTux | asg, ok... |
| 02:53.58 | serialkiller | i want to do it fromt e command line, and man adduser doesnt show a password switch except disable |
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| 02:54.04 | Thanatermesis | how to reinstall all packages ? |
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| 02:54.14 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 02:54.14 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was grep -B1 installed /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 02:54.20 | Thanatermesis | apt-get upgrade shows "no new packages for ugrade" |
| 02:54.25 | serialkiller | i tried useradd but i cannot get it to make the hoem sirectory withe the -d switch |
| 02:54.27 | abrotman | i wonder if that actually works ? |
| 02:54.31 | Thanatermesis | I need to reinstall all packages from another sources.list |
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| 02:54.36 | Roey | junix|work: hi |
| 02:54.39 | Roey | junix|work: I see you are here. |
| 02:54.48 | sdogi | abrotman: where could i read about them? |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | sdogi: moment |
| 02:55.04 | sdogi | wait a second |
| 02:55.16 | sdogi | sarge floppy boot images? |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:55.35 | abrotman | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ |
| 02:55.47 | sdogi | wow |
| 02:55.50 | Thanatermesis | abrotman, for reinstall all packages of my system ? |
| 02:55.55 | sdogi | they seem much cleaner |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | sdogi: wow what? |
| 02:56.00 | asg | serialkiller: man newusers |
| 02:56.09 | abrotman | sdogi: you have no cd ? |
| 02:56.10 | sdogi | i hope sarge goes stable soon |
| 02:56.16 | abrotman | Thanatermesis: so it says .. i've never tried it |
| 02:56.21 | Segers_J | Thanatermesis: I'd suggest the one that starts COLUMNS=200 I understand what it's doing. |
| 02:56.25 | sdogi | i have but i have no burner here right now |
| 02:56.48 | sdogi | anyway with sarge i would only need to burn 3 floppy's |
| 02:56.50 | Thanatermesis | hummm... |
| 02:56.53 | abrotman | sdogi: oh ok |
| 02:56.58 | WiFiTux | asg, hhmm geez, everything looks old. |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | sdogi: maybe 4 |
| 02:57.12 | sdogi | not like with current stable |
| 02:57.46 | asg | WiFiTux: yes, march 29th, 2004 was some time ago |
| 02:57.49 | sdogi | abrotman: where do you see that fourth? ahh.. wait a sec |
| 02:57.55 | sdogi | http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 02:58.00 | sdogi | i'm talking about these things |
| 02:58.05 | sdogi | just found them accidentally |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | sdogi: cd-drivers.img and net-drivers.img |
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| 02:58.17 | abrotman | sdogi: plus root and resuce |
| 02:58.21 | sdogi | yeah |
| 02:58.31 | bucky | sdogi, http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-downloading-files |
| 02:58.32 | bucky | The `vanilla' flavor includes one rescue floppy, one root and four driver floppies. |
| 02:58.50 | WiFiTux | asg, well, that number is not the real date of the current package |
| 02:58.52 | sdogi | i wouldn't need cd-drivers anyway because i don't use cdrom |
| 02:59.02 | abrotman | sdogi: /msg dpkg ig ... read the sarge one |
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| 02:59.13 | asg | WiFiTux: then look for -17 in the changelog and that will tell you when it entered sid. |
| 02:59.29 | WiFiTux | asg, ok |
| 02:59.43 | asg | WiFiTux: -- Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:29:38 +0100 (that's what I have here.) |
| 02:59.53 | bucky | sdogi, but i would suggest the bf2.4 set.. but you already know everything |
| 03:00.10 | sdogi | bucky: i have read that, it's even worse page than i read |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | bucky: vanilla is 2.2 |
| 03:00.35 | sdogi | bucky: also it seems decaprated |
| 03:00.39 | WiFiTux | asg, yeah, but I mean. I apt-get upgraded today and since, I can't load a firmware... it's freaking frustrating I dunno if hotplug was upgraded today |
| 03:00.40 | bucky | of the bf2.4 it says This flavor comes with one rescue floppy, one root and four driver floppies. |
| 03:00.45 | sdogi | sarge has much better images |
| 03:00.57 | rixth | Does anyone know of a driver for the TDK Mojo MP3 players? |
| 03:01.01 | bucky | sdogi, four driver floppies |
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| 03:01.21 | asg | WiFiTux: if it was updated, the deb would be in your /var/cache/apt/archives directory (unless you did apt-get clean afterwards) |
| 03:01.36 | WiFiTux | asg, ahh! true. |
| 03:01.41 | maher | WiFiTux: ls -ltR /usr/share/doc |
| 03:01.53 | asg | WiFiTux: look in the same directory for other things that were updated and check them out in the bts |
| 03:01.57 | asg | WiFiTux: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:02.06 | sdogi | bucky: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst i read everything there |
| 03:02.17 | bucky | sdogi, four driver floppies |
| 03:02.28 | maher | WiFiTux: small r |
| 03:02.37 | bucky | sdogi, i'm done reading the install manual for you |
| 03:02.41 | abrotman | holy god .. |
| 03:02.48 | sdogi | bucky: i think i'll go with those: http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/access/ seems like much better solution |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | you two .. separate corners! |
| 03:02.55 | WiFiTux | maher, hehe better |
| 03:02.57 | bucky | sdogi, four driver floppies |
| 03:03.05 | sdogi | bucky: have you actually readed anything? |
| 03:03.11 | bucky | sdogi, http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-downloading-files |
| 03:03.20 | sdogi | bucky: what's your problem |
| 03:03.21 | bucky | i've readed it |
| 03:03.21 | fusion | Which build is recommended for a server-type system? sarge or sid? |
| 03:03.37 | asg | fusion: woody |
| 03:03.37 | WiFiTux | maher, alejandro:~# ls -ltr /usr/share/doc | grep -i hotplug drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2005-02-18 15:45 hotplug |
| 03:03.47 | bucky | sdogi, you came in here asking for help and now you want to argue |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | you two .. separate corners! |
| 03:04.02 | abrotman | i don't thikn i can spell . or type |
| 03:04.02 | fusion | asg, really? I wouldnt have thought so because..is it updated as much? |
| 03:04.08 | sdogi | bucky: i got my solution already but you are forcing me to do harder stuff?! |
| 03:04.14 | bucky | sdogi, four driver floppies |
| 03:04.21 | WiFiTux | can I grep files by today created? |
| 03:04.23 | asg | fusion: that's why it is recommended |
| 03:04.23 | Mefdahl | Fusion you can prolly get by with sarge... I've found it stable. |
| 03:04.40 | Mefdahl | but I would test it well first. |
| 03:04.48 | rixth | Does anyone know of a driver for the TDK Mojo MP3 players? (they are USB but aren't picked up as a USB device) |
| 03:04.50 | fusion | I've got sarge going now |
| 03:04.57 | asg | WiFiTux: find /dir -type f -mtime -1 (should give you a good representation) |
| 03:04.57 | fusion | but I've been thinking of using sid |
| 03:05.01 | tweekken | fusion: NOT sid |
| 03:05.03 | asg | fusion: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:05.04 | fusion | because some packages are only available on sid |
| 03:05.24 | asg | fusion: some software is only available on Windows, but that isn't a reason to use it either |
| 03:05.24 | maher | fusion: sid is unstable - it breaks |
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| 03:05.26 | sdogi | bucky: If you have a working Ethernet connection on the computer, and your Ethernet card is of one of the types compiled into the installation kernel, you may only need the install system boot files. The installer is capable of installing the kernel and drivers over the network for many common Ethernet cards. |
| 03:05.29 | bucky | sdogi, btw which inbred country is .ee ? |
| 03:05.36 | sdogi | bucky: did you read that too? |
| 03:05.36 | Mefdahl | Yes sid breaks. |
| 03:05.54 | Mefdahl | I've not had the problem with sarge (in the last year) |
| 03:06.06 | alus | woody is stable - it's broken |
| 03:06.13 | sdogi | bucky: estonia |
| 03:06.17 | bucky | sdogi, the 509 is isa or your case maybe cardbus or something |
| 03:06.20 | asg | alus: in what way? |
| 03:06.20 | bucky | sdogi, four driver floppies |
| 03:06.21 | tweekken | software recommends windows 95 or greater so I installed Debian Linux |
| 03:06.49 | alus | asg: known errors in packages that aren't being fixed, like a g++ internal compiler error, for example |
| 03:06.52 | prahal | reportbug try to use 192.25.206.10 to report the bug, the server is in hewlett packard domain, but unreachable . can someone reach this server (maybe my isp had a "netsplit") ? |
| 03:07.07 | prahal | sorry it is back |
| 03:07.07 | asg | alus: *nod* |
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| 03:07.19 | prahal | strange it lasted 5 minutes ... |
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| 03:07.24 | prahal | it was gluck |
| 03:07.29 | maher | prahal: reportbug just tries to send an email - just get the text and send it manually |
| 03:07.29 | abrotman | prahal: works fine for me |
| 03:07.31 | junix-other | what is the installer package for glibc? |
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| 03:07.41 | asg | junix-other: /msg dpkg search |
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| 03:07.57 | sdogi | bucky: + rescue and root |
| 03:08.04 | abrotman | alus: probably because it would break binary compatibilty crap |
| 03:08.07 | prahal | abrotman: you need to type faster :) |
| 03:08.13 | abrotman | prahal: sorry |
| 03:08.15 | bucky | sdogi, now your a debian expert.. very good |
| 03:08.16 | sdogi | bucky: i think i'll go with sarge - 4 floppys max |
| 03:08.22 | abrotman | bucky: you're |
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| 03:08.34 | hendry | What should I use keeping two files synced to latest version? I assumed rsync, but it overwrites the newer file! |
| 03:08.37 | prahal | lol bye and thanks |
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| 03:08.39 | WiFiTux | asg, thanks buddy, could you for the last thing, take a look at #flood for the 10 packages I have there and see if they _could_ be the issue? |
| 03:08.40 | sdogi | bucky: no but i don't know why you are asking me to make more floppys when i don't need to |
| 03:08.43 | Mefdahl | argh I can't make festival noisy... |
| 03:08.45 | Mefdahl | sigh. |
| 03:08.50 | Mefdahl | long monday |
| 03:09.04 | sdogi | floppys suck |
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| 03:09.16 | asg | WiFiTux: I'd check the bts for each package and see if anything shows up that is indicative of your particular problem |
| 03:09.29 | asg | WiFiTux: The lappy's batteries are about spent |
| 03:09.30 | abrotman | sdogi: duh |
| 03:09.38 | sdogi | hehe |
| 03:09.45 | WiFiTux | well, I will, could you take a look. it's 7 packages |
| 03:09.45 | abrotman | !plug in asg |
| 03:09.47 | dpkg | Plug Headlines (2): PLUG - Provo Linux Users Group ;; Linux Kernel Development. |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | lovely |
| 03:09.56 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 03:10.08 | sdogi | i have like maby 5kg of floppys here, many of them are broken, damn i hate floppys |
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| 03:10.17 | punsad | I'm tired of old apps on woody and the selection from backports doesn't have everything I'm looking for... I'm thinking about upgrading to sarge - any words of advice? |
| 03:10.18 | jjazz_kerfluffle | Which is easier, setting up a usb keybd or a usb mouse?[A |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | !bless punsad |
| 03:10.29 | WiFiTux | abrotman, my new T42 gives me 6 hours with one battery and 4 hours with the other one.. :) |
| 03:10.29 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child punsad, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:10.30 | hope22 | Hi, my computer has been kinda sluggish for a few days when accessing the net. I have seen that I have ports 111 and 782 listening. Something like rpcbind. Any idea what this is? or How it happend? |
| 03:10.36 | Mefdahl | laff never had a problem with and usb devices. |
| 03:10.40 | WiFiTux | abrotman, coudl you take a look at flood? |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | WiFiTux: wow .. i get 4 with mine .. aren't you lucky :) |
| 03:10.45 | Mefdahl | *cough* any |
| 03:10.47 | asg | punsad: pay particular attention to d-s-a and, in the event of security issues, know what to do. |
| 03:10.48 | bucky | sdogi, only the upper echelon of the socialist party in estonia have burners |
| 03:10.56 | alus | punsad: both feet, and a tomsrtbt |
| 03:11.00 | WiFiTux | abrotman, 4 is great... |
| 03:11.02 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i don't find 4 hours all that amazing |
| 03:11.05 | punsad | dpkg: I was hoping someone would talk me out of it |
| 03:11.12 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 03:11.13 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:11.14 | sdogi | bucky: i have burner too, but not in my apartment |
| 03:11.31 | WiFiTux | abrotman, well, unfortunately is 6 hours in Windows with the 4 hours in Linux |
| 03:11.34 | inc|freaky | hi all. i got a problem with internet access. since today (i guess after upgrading pppd?) after i boot up, it doesnt connect to my dial-up dsl provider. when i run pppoeconf and press ENTER everywhere, typing in the pass, and leave everything unchanged, it dials up and is connected. when i reboot, it doesnt work anymore. |
| 03:11.35 | bucky | sdogi, then your daddy must be in the upper echelon |
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| 03:11.44 | abrotman | WiFiTux: guess you need more speedstep or fan control |
| 03:11.45 | inc|freaky | also pon and poff dont work after a reboot, after using pppoeconf they work |
| 03:11.52 | sdogi | lol, burner doesn't cost anything really |
| 03:11.59 | punsad | I was wondering if anyone had first hand knowledge of it |
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| 03:12.16 | sdogi | dvd burner is something like 60 euros |
| 03:12.20 | sdogi | it isn't much |
| 03:12.25 | Glitch_Master | abrotman: I'm not seeing any significant errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:12.26 | sdogi | don't know even how much cd burner costs |
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| 03:12.31 | abrotman | punsad: lots of people .. it's quite easy |
| 03:12.33 | punsad | I recall when woody got changed to stable from potato... it did break some things |
| 03:12.38 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old |
| 03:12.39 | cirdan | sdogi: www.pricewatch.com |
| 03:12.44 | asg | punsad: sarge is just fine if a) you follow d-s-a and b) you know what to do when security issues arise. If you don't do both, stay with woody. |
| 03:12.45 | Mefdahl | cd burner? 25 us.. |
| 03:12.53 | cirdan | hmm, nm |
| 03:12.54 | sdogi | cirdan: we have www.hinnavaatlus.ee :) |
| 03:12.55 | Mefdahl | dvd burner 60ish us. |
| 03:13.09 | punsad | asg: what is d-s-a? I guess it's a bad sign if I don't know what it is |
| 03:13.21 | asg | punsad: debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 03:13.28 | punsad | oh... |
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| 03:13.30 | asg | punsad: even if you run woody, you should subscribe |
| 03:13.42 | punsad | hmm... thanks |
| 03:13.47 | asg | punsad: you're welcome |
| 03:13.52 | WiFiTux | abrotman, fan control = hoter. speedstep, this thing is at 600MHz on batteries and with laptop_mode enabled. no hdd spins |
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| 03:14.18 | omnivector | is there a bug tracker for the debian sarge installer? |
| 03:14.26 | asg | punsad: also, the current upgrade path from woody -> sarge isn't finalized so there may be minor problems. (exim -> exim4 is currently somewhat problematic though a howto is available at debian-administration.org) |
| 03:14.35 | abrotman | WiFiTux: fans! |
| 03:14.44 | obsmav | anybody here use firestarter with samba ? i cant seem to get the 2 to co exsits |
| 03:14.51 | WiFiTux | abrotman, hhmm how? |
| 03:15.08 | abrotman | WiFiTux: don't ask me .. mine does it on its own :) |
| 03:15.19 | WiFiTux | abrotman, mine aswell |
| 03:15.38 | asg | omnivector: #debian-boot and you can submit bugs via the bts. |
| 03:15.58 | punsad | asg: yeah... it's mainly b/c of my new printer which needs hpijs 1.7... and then there's glabels.. I guess I can just wait... find some better use of my time... |
| 03:16.07 | shingouz | would there be something that monitors the amount of downloaded data per hour off eth0. kinda like a speedo? |
| 03:16.22 | sdogi | Bulldog: btw your comment about rpm's before, i find apt-get much easier to handle :) |
| 03:16.30 | sdogi | actually it was meant for bucky |
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| 03:16.38 | asg | punsad: you could always use sarge in a chroot for such things. |
| 03:16.39 | sdogi | but he/she left |
| 03:16.57 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 03:17.04 | punsad | asg: I'll look into that |
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| 03:19.41 | Glitch_Master | abrotman: /var/log/XFree86.0.log.old brought up something video-related, but it doesn't seem likely. |
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| 03:20.04 | abrotman | Glitch_Master: uhm .. that .old is only good the first time after X is retsrated |
| 03:20.09 | Glitch_Master | OH. |
| 03:20.22 | Glitch_Master | Well, like I said, these are old errors. |
| 03:20.26 | abrotman | so .. if it crashed 3 times ago .. no good |
| 03:20.26 | Glitch_Master | I'd have to replicate it. |
| 03:20.38 | Glitch_Master | I had to restart the system for this. |
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| 03:22.13 | toymachine | ok i have a delimma, i can't read udf dvd's, yet udf is built into my kernel |
| 03:22.16 | toymachine | any ideas? |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | !udf |
| 03:22.33 | dpkg | it has been said that udf is at http://www.trylinux.com/projects/udf/index.html, or with tools at http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/udf/tools/?cvsroot=linux-udf, or apt-get install udftools |
| 03:22.42 | toymachine | yeah i have udf tools |
| 03:22.48 | toymachine | but it helps me none |
| 03:22.50 | toymachine | i can't mount the dvd |
| 03:23.17 | |inc|fre| | hi all. i got a really strange problem. since yesterday, when I reboot, the pppoe dialup connection doesnt work anymore. i get no errors. when i reconfigure using pppoeconf it suddenly works again. so now, after every reboot i have to run pppoeconf to make everythin work. what could this be caused by? im seeing no point where to start, any help would be really nice. |
| 03:24.23 | toymachine | wait i think i got it |
| 03:24.43 | Glitch_Master | Pity me for this... What are UDF DVDs? |
| 03:24.49 | Glitch_Master | Eh... I'll wiki it. |
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| 03:24.56 | toymachine | got it |
| 03:24.57 | toymachine | sweet |
| 03:24.59 | Chest | any Cyrus imapd users here? |
| 03:25.06 | abrotman | |inc|fre|: missing module ? |
| 03:25.09 | cirdan | Glitch_Master: udf is the standard format for dvd discs |
| 03:25.10 | Glitch_Master | Oh... It's not wiki. |
| 03:25.12 | Glitch_Master | Oh. |
| 03:25.15 | Glitch_Master | Thanks |
| 03:25.19 | toymachine | man that was wild |
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| 03:25.59 | |inc|fre| | abrotman: all modules are loaded as far as i can see. when using pon and then plog, it displays that the modules have been loaded, it say send packet and thats the last line. after using pppoeconf, after reboot, though, pon and poff work again - until the next reboot. :( |
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| 03:26.40 | abrotman | |inc|fre|: i can say that i've never used pppoe .. so you're a bit over my head |
| 03:26.41 | abrotman | it was just a thought |
| 03:26.43 | obsmav | yo when i use sound as a normal user i get acsess denied to my sound devices.. what do i chmod to fix this ? |
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| 03:27.24 | |inc|fre| | abrotman: i think when i installed chrony, it changed some if-bla-up scripts maybe it has something to do with that. |
| 03:27.25 | mr_ed | obsmav---i have that same problem |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | yo ? |
| 03:27.30 | |inc|fre| | maybe some script keeps changing things |
| 03:27.31 | sdogi | hm, now when sarge is released those installation documentations seem to change anyway it seems |
| 03:27.34 | |inc|fre| | when booting up |
| 03:27.34 | obsmav | mr_ed, lol cool |
| 03:27.35 | abrotman | !tell obsmav about sound |
| 03:27.36 | trapd0r | is dpkg's bloot database available for dl? |
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| 03:27.44 | sdogi | at least mirrors content seems to show that :) |
| 03:27.45 | abrotman | !tell trapd0r about your factoids |
| 03:27.50 | jjazz_kerfluffle | If I want to load a module at boot, do I just add it to /etc/modules? Need I worry about modules.conf? |
| 03:28.11 | obsmav | abrotman, sound works as root |
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| 03:28.20 | trapd0r | thanks abrotman |
| 03:28.22 | obsmav | i just cant use sound from normal user |
| 03:28.26 | abrotman | obsmav: read what dpkg told you .. it's not hard .. read it |
| 03:28.37 | abrotman | !tell obsmav about audio |
| 03:28.40 | obsmav | ohh... sorry didnt see the pm |
| 03:28.40 | obsmav | :P |
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| 03:29.00 | abrotman | jjazz_kerfluffle: echo "modulename" >> /etc/modules |
| 03:29.16 | paperclip_ | so.. how does one install java in sarge |
| 03:29.17 | jjazz_kerfluffle | abrotman: thanks, that's the trick |
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| 03:29.34 | abrotman | !tell paperclip_ about java |
| 03:29.34 | obsmav | abrotman, ** WARNING **: alsa_get_mixer(): Attaching to mixer hw:0 failed: Permission denied |
| 03:29.40 | abrotman | paperclip_: and read about java-package |
| 03:29.48 | sdogi | obsmav: ls -all /dev/dsp0 |
| 03:29.51 | abrotman | obsmav: are you in the group? .. did you logout/login ? |
| 03:29.58 | paperclip_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:30.13 | obsmav | ahh login then log out fixed it |
| 03:30.14 | obsmav | thanx |
| 03:30.42 | abrotman | obsmav: you really need to read what dpkg said . it tells oyu all that |
| 03:31.11 | sdogi | abrotman: lol i start to understand why people tend to say, not exacly but almost that rtfm here a lot :) |
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| 03:31.37 | sdogi | i guess it's like that with every mayor distro channel |
| 03:31.39 | abrotman | sdogi: because people dont' damn read :) |
| 03:31.57 | sdogi | true |
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| 03:32.29 | tyler_ | Does the default 2.6.10 kernel image not like DMA on ide cdroms? I attempted to hdparm -d 1 my cdrom drive, and I get an error |
| 03:32.40 | sdogi | sometimes manuals or HOWTO's are old too, but that's rare with very important things |
| 03:32.43 | abrotman | sdogi: and some people are here all day helping people .. and it gets frustrating when people don't read |
| 03:32.48 | sdogi | best thing i have read is freebsd's handbook |
| 03:32.48 | obsmav | abrotman, ok not to beat a dead horse, but it seems my thoghts of it working where pre mature.. it dosent :P i added myself to the audio group and compleatly logged off and i still get tge whole denied thing |
| 03:32.49 | tyler_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.54 | abrotman | sdogi: espeically 5 lines |
| 03:32.54 | paperclip_ | abrotman: what a convoluted install process =) |
| 03:33.00 | sdogi | it's like best book that there can be about some OS |
| 03:33.06 | sdogi | www.freebsd.org/handbook/ |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | paperclip_: it's quite easy .. and works very very well |
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| 03:33.11 | tyler_ | sdogi: agreed |
| 03:33.27 | abrotman | obsmav: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sdp |
| 03:33.29 | abrotman | obsmav: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 03:33.34 | sdogi | abrotman: belive you :) |
| 03:33.41 | sdogi | tyler_: hehe :) |
| 03:33.46 | paperclip_ | abrotman: i'm using an old laptop and i'd rather not install a bunch of packages just to install one pesky runtime |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | paperclip_: you only have to install 2 packages iirc |
| 03:34.11 | abrotman | err 3 |
| 03:34.40 | abrotman | sdogi: the debian docs are good . but spread out .. that's the problem .. no central resource for all crap you want to ever know |
| 03:34.41 | paperclip_ | abrotman: The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 03:34.41 | paperclip_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.41 | paperclip_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.47 | obsmav | abrotman, bash: /dev/sdp: Permission denied |
| 03:34.52 | tyler_ | Copying files off cdrom without dma is painful |
| 03:35.05 | obsmav | obsmav@obsmav:~$ su root |
| 03:35.05 | obsmav | obsmav:/home/obsmav# cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sdp |
| 03:35.06 | abrotman | obsmav: /dev/sdp |
| 03:35.12 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 03:35.14 | abrotman | i can't fucking type |
| 03:35.16 | abrotman | /dev/dsp |
| 03:35.18 | abrotman | not sdp |
| 03:35.19 | sdogi | abrotman: yeah it seemed like that a bit, but i guess it all changes soon, it has to.. or docs wouldn't be compatible with sarge |
| 03:35.32 | toymachine | any idea how to get the X Shape extension to wrok |
| 03:35.32 | abrotman | sdogi: those are in preparation now |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:35.34 | dpkg | [ig] for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 03:35.36 | abrotman | like that one |
| 03:35.38 | toymachine | for XFree86 |
| 03:35.44 | sdogi | cool |
| 03:35.48 | obsmav | ahh ok |
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| 03:36.20 | Agrajag- | is it possible to have another user viewing a terminal that im using? |
| 03:36.20 | sdogi | when catting uradnom to dsp, i hope your speakers are at low volume :-) |
| 03:36.27 | sdogi | Agrajag-: yeah with screen |
| 03:36.28 | Northernlights | Hello everybody |
| 03:36.40 | obsmav | abrotman, ok i had to chmod dsp but it works now :p |
| 03:36.40 | sdogi | Agrajag-: also you could use vnc |
| 03:36.41 | obsmav | thanx |
| 03:36.45 | Northernlights | I just updated Debian and now I cant right click and save pictures |
| 03:36.55 | obsmav | abrotman, now what |
| 03:36.55 | Agrajag- | sdogi: yeah but it's just a plain terminal, not X |
| 03:36.57 | abrotman | obsmav: wrong answer |
| 03:37.01 | Northernlights | I'm getting thsi error message when I try to save pictures |
| 03:37.03 | Agrajag- | im actually using screen, didn't know it had that feature |
| 03:37.03 | sdogi | Agrajag-: then screen |
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| 03:37.17 | sdogi | Agrajag-: cool, i just thought that i have to teach you :D |
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| 03:37.29 | Northernlights | xml phrasing error not well formated |
| 03:37.35 | obsmav | abrotman, well i got static when i ran as root, and when i was not root it dinied me |
| 03:37.46 | sdogi | Agrajag-: well, you make new screen, then the other user logs in with the same user as you are and does screen -x |
| 03:37.55 | abrotman | obsmav: you need to logout/login .. relaly .. it works |
| 03:37.57 | Northernlights | is thisa bug? |
| 03:38.00 | sdogi | Agrajag-: then you get multiview |
| 03:38.07 | Agrajag- | oh.. i dont want them logging in as me though |
| 03:38.08 | Northernlights | this didnt happend untill I ypdated Debian |
| 03:38.21 | sdogi | what is important is that you both should have exacly the same sized terminal |
| 03:38.42 | sdogi | because when you don't it can make stuff jumpy sometimes, like irssi sessions maby |
| 03:38.47 | Agrajag- | yeah, i figured that |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | Northernlights: you haven't even told us what damn app it is |
| 03:38.57 | sdogi | Agrajag-: yeah just wanted to tell that, maby you could use some temp user for that? |
| 03:39.00 | Northernlights | Yeah I did |
| 03:39.02 | sdogi | Agrajag-: have done that sometimes |
| 03:39.12 | Northernlights | want me to show you the error |
| 03:39.21 | abrotman | Northernlights: no .. you didn't tell us any app |
| 03:39.22 | sdogi | screen rocks :) |
| 03:39.38 | Northernlights | xml phrasing error not well formated |
| 03:39.44 | abrotman | what kind of fucking app is that? |
| 03:39.50 | Northernlights | app? |
| 03:40.02 | abrotman | application |
| 03:40.05 | Northernlights | I just updated via syptic manager |
| 03:40.10 | abrotman | oh fucking christ |
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| 03:40.31 | abrotman | what god damn fucking application are you right clicking in while getting that fucking error ? |
| 03:40.32 | Northernlights | opend syptic clicked reload then clicked on appy updates |
| 03:40.39 | abrotman | in synaptic ? |
| 03:40.46 | abrotman | in xterm? |
| 03:40.51 | abrotman | in nautilus ? |
| 03:40.52 | Northernlights | I'm right clicking to save a picture |
| 03:40.57 | andrewski | is it possible to use apt-get with color? |
| 03:41.02 | abrotman | WHAT FUCKING APPLICATION!? |
| 03:41.06 | abrotman | god .. it's not hard! |
| 03:41.11 | abrotman | someone sedate me |
| 03:41.14 | abrotman | !drug me |
| 03:41.17 | Glitch_Master | Well... |
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| 03:41.27 | drac | !comfort abrotman |
| 03:41.27 | Northernlights | I dont understand what you mean when you say aplication |
| 03:41.27 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:41.29 | Glitch_Master | I'm going to go inject somebody with Crisco. I must depart. |
| 03:41.33 | andrewski | abrotman: i think calming down is up to you.... |
| 03:41.37 | Northernlights | I'm just right clicking then chooseing save as |
| 03:41.39 | abrotman | !application |
| 03:41.50 | sdogi | Northernlights: maby just tell us again what your problem is |
| 03:41.53 | Northernlights | whats an application? |
| 03:41.58 | Northernlights | Ok.... |
| 03:42.03 | abrotman | trolling .. badly |
| 03:42.08 | sdogi | application = program = some software blah |
| 03:42.19 | abrotman | noone gets debian isntalled and doesn't know what an application is |
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| 03:42.22 | mr_ed | mercurichrome |
| 03:42.24 | Northernlights | I get this error mesage when right clicking ona piocture to save it.... |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | especially not from chicago |
| 03:42.38 | Northernlights | xml phrasing error |
| 03:42.40 | sdogi | Northernlights: where is that picture? desktop? |
| 03:42.46 | Northernlights | Google |
| 03:42.46 | abrotman | see .. it's not just me |
| 03:42.50 | sdogi | Northernlights: or in what program(application)? |
| 03:42.51 | Northernlights | I tried all over |
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| 03:42.55 | abrotman | oh .. so it's a web browser |
| 03:43.00 | sdogi | Northernlights: firefox? mozilla? |
| 03:43.07 | alus | lynx? |
| 03:43.10 | abrotman | guess what .. a web browser is an .. wait .. wait .. APPLICATION!!!! |
| 03:43.12 | sdogi | lol |
| 03:43.16 | Northernlights | I just installed ebianso I'm not sure what you mena when you say application |
| 03:43.21 | Northernlights | Firefox |
| 03:43.27 | alus | dingding |
| 03:43.28 | sdogi | Firefox = Application |
| 03:43.38 | Flimzy | Northernlights: Have you considered installing Windows? |
| 03:43.41 | Northernlights | Oh k now i c |
| 03:43.47 | mr_ed | someone tell me the diffreence between knoppix or kanotix hard drive installs as opposed to pure debian please |
| 03:43.50 | Northernlights | No |
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| 03:43.51 | Flimzy | Northernlights: Or perhaps even better... pawning your computer? |
| 03:43.54 | drac | Northernlights: what's k i c ? |
| 03:43.55 | Northernlights | I dont liek windows |
| 03:43.56 | sdogi | and not the google is giving you errors firefox is |
| 03:44.12 | Northernlights | I dont want to pawn my compyter |
| 03:44.18 | sdogi | what was the error? |
| 03:44.18 | Northernlights | I just bought it last weeks |
| 03:44.26 | abrotman | so fucking trolling |
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| 03:44.29 | Flimzy | mr_ed: A knoppix or kanotix or Red Hat or Windows or MacOS 7.6 install to the hard drive is different from Debian in that it is NOT Debian. |
| 03:44.38 | Northernlights | I'm not trolling |
| 03:44.45 | alus | what is trolling? |
| 03:44.53 | alus | I'm asking Northernlights |
| 03:44.55 | abrotman | he knows what a troll is .. but not an application .. he's trolling |
| 03:44.57 | sdogi | abrotman: it's so funny here, i think i'll be staying longer :-) |
| 03:44.58 | Flimzy | Northernlights: Then it's not too late to take it back to the store and get your money back and spend it on something you know how to use. |
| 03:45.05 | Northernlights | People that make fun of debian |
| 03:45.10 | abrotman | sdogi: you're not even seeing some of the best ones :) |
| 03:45.20 | abrotman | he knows what a troll is .. but not an application .. he's trolling |
| 03:45.41 | Northernlights | Come on give me a break I only been useing rthe PC for a little over a aweek |
| 03:45.47 | andrewski | is it possible to use apt-get with color in the terminal? |
| 03:45.49 | abrotman | Northernlights: /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:45.57 | sdogi | abrotman: you are frequent submitters to bash.org with that stuff ?:) |
| 03:45.57 | abrotman | type that in your irc window |
| 03:45.58 | Flimzy | Northernlights: Then you should not be using Linux |
| 03:46.12 | abrotman | sdogi: not me .. i've never submitted anything .. but i've been submitted iirc |
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| 03:46.33 | Northernlights | My buddy told me that windows sucks |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | Northernlights: /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:46.37 | jharrison | yo homies |
| 03:46.42 | alus | your buddy was wrong |
| 03:46.44 | abrotman | !lart jharrison |
| 03:46.45 | jharrison | and homettes |
| 03:46.47 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:46.48 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend good brand(s), and/or colors of DVD media that are playable in (cheap) DVD players? |
| 03:46.50 | Northernlights | ABR where do i type that at |
| 03:46.56 | jharrison | mmmm warm |
| 03:47.01 | abrotman | Northernlights: in your irc window .. where you're typing now |
| 03:47.11 | Flimzy | The cheap media (purple in color) is, to no suprise of my own, not playable in either of my DVD players. |
| 03:47.13 | mr_ed | oh come on now---perhaps i should have asked can someone tell me the diffreence between knoppix or kanotix hard drive installs as opposed to pure debian SERIOUSLY please |
| 03:47.21 | rajasun | Northernlights: Debian is not for anybody and everybody. It can be a little too heavy and steep a learning curve for a complete n00b coming from a click & go GUI environment like MS Windows. But if you like to give it a try, nobody is stopping you. Just make sure you READ the stuff you need READING. |
| 03:47.31 | abrotman | mr_ed: yes .. i could kill you with my thoughts! |
| 03:47.32 | Flimzy | mr_ed: The difference is... THEY ARE NOT DEBIAN. |
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| 03:47.40 | tweekken | northernlights: can your buddy that told you that windows sucks help you out at all? |
| 03:47.41 | Northernlights | 3.1 |
| 03:47.41 | rajasun | Northernlights: like these links > http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/index.shtml http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml http://people.debian.org/~psg/ddg/ http://www.debian.org/doc/#manuals http://www.debian.org/doc/#howtos http://www.debian.org/doc/#faqs http://www.debian.org/doc/#other http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 03:47.53 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 03:47.53 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may ... |
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| 03:48.02 | Northernlights | I just typed in what you said |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | Northernlights: i saw |
| 03:48.24 | jharrison | windows rules! |
| 03:48.25 | dgc | mr_ed: a pure debian install is gauranteed to work, but it's not very user friendly |
| 03:48.32 | mr_ed | well--most of the sources they download from are debian---i am asking to be illuminated, not to be inudated--know what i mean? |
| 03:48.33 | jharrison | you guys can take *nix and shove it up your ass |
| 03:48.53 | dgc | mr_ed: a knoppix install is really easy, but doesn't always work, and then you'll have a headache trying to get everything in order |
| 03:48.54 | Northernlights | I had no problem downloading Debian Sarge and installing it |
| 03:48.59 | tweekken | Northernlights: can your buddy that told you that windows sucks help you out at all? |
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| 03:49.17 | Northernlights | Yeah, in a ferw weeks |
| 03:49.26 | abrotman | mr_ed: see .. you said "most" .. and that's the problem |
| 03:49.27 | Flimzy | Northernlights: I think democracy sucks, by the way. You should become a communist. |
| 03:49.28 | jharrison | weeks? |
| 03:49.34 | Northernlights | I have a felling that it's the browser not sure though |
| 03:49.37 | dgc | mr_ed: otherwise the sources make the distribution |
| 03:49.51 | jharrison | communist are too Flimzy |
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| 03:50.42 | dgc | everyone should be communist; then we'd all get along |
| 03:50.49 | herbi | does anyone know if i can use pdf, png or jpg format files in prosper? |
| 03:50.57 | jharrison | you guys have obviously never been to cuba |
| 03:51.00 | dgc | but I'm a capitalist democrat, so I'll exclude myself... |
| 03:51.15 | Northernlights | Frgin communist Jews |
| 03:51.18 | herbi | noone? |
| 03:51.20 | jharrison | go visit cuba and then come back and say communist rule |
| 03:51.26 | mr_ed | well---i have kanotix installed because it was the only distro that could see my airlink wifi card---also, the live cd works really well |
| 03:51.28 | Northernlights | he he yep |
| 03:51.37 | maher | herbi: you should be able to use all of them |
| 03:51.48 | abrotman | mr_ed: atheros card? |
| 03:51.53 | herbi | maher got a good doc? it isnt for me, one of my users lodged a trouble ticket asking the question |
| 03:51.54 | mr_ed | airlink |
| 03:52.04 | herbi | maher im not familiar with latex at all, so i thought id ask here. |
| 03:52.20 | abrotman | mr_ed: cisco ? |
| 03:52.32 | Northernlights | the leters are moving up to fast... giveing me a headach |
| 03:52.37 | maher | herbi: i'm not a big prosper user - too fancy for me - its probably just a graphics inclusion problem |
| 03:52.44 | dgc | herbi: you might do better in #latex |
| 03:52.55 | mr_ed | its a texas instruments chip based wifi card if that is what you are getting at |
| 03:52.59 | herbi | dgc maybe...let me try |
| 03:53.04 | herbi | thanks for the assist though :) |
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| 03:53.15 | Northernlights | he updated messed up the browser |
| 03:53.23 | jharrison | !beer abrotman |
| 03:53.36 | paperclip_ | abrotman: there is a j2re 1.41 package at blackdown.org =) |
| 03:54.03 | abrotman | paperclip_: which is old ... and iirc .. insecure .. but do whatever you want |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | paperclip_: apt-get.org might have more |
| 03:54.16 | Northernlights | I'm going to use that google thing to see if I can find out why I'm getting this error |
| 03:54.23 | abrotman | search for jdk or jre .. whichever you prefer |
| 03:54.34 | abrotman | fucking troll |
| 03:54.37 | mr_ed | yasss--that google thingy |
| 03:55.01 | paperclip_ | abrotman: i like the jre.. smaller.. what's wrong with the blackdown.org package? |
| 03:55.04 | jharrison | ew |
| 03:56.08 | abrotman | paperclip_: i think there was a security issue with 1.4 .. but i don't remember which version |
| 03:56.19 | paperclip_ | hmm... i'll google that.. |
| 03:56.19 | sdogi | heh, look at me, i installed "minimal" mandrake to install debian, what next |
| 03:56.22 | jharrison | abrotman: by the way did I tell you that my ISP seems to be giving me 1024kB/s? |
| 03:56.23 | hope22 | So, I was having a pretty slow connection to the internet. I killed FAM, and this flies. Any thoughts? What is FAM anyways? |
| 03:56.40 | abrotman | jharrison: you work for a hosting facil .. does it really matter? :) |
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| 03:57.31 | mr_ed | this talk radio station in st louis's subject is "The Internet Is Bad For Your KIds" |
| 03:57.31 | mr_ed | could that be why i just shut it off? |
| 03:57.31 | abrotman | damn right |
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| 03:58.47 | ixi | Hi. How to change interface font size and family of an X application if it doesn't uses xrdb? If this important - its a GTK application. Changing font sizes in /etc/gtk/* file not helps. |
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| 03:59.08 | NarCoT_ | everyone: when I run 'make module_install' I get this next error- 'make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1" what should I do? |
| 03:59.36 | rajasun | ixi: /j #gtk on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:00.12 | abrotman | get help on gnome.org .. you're joking right ? |
| 04:00.31 | rajasun | abrotman: nope |
| 04:00.34 | mr_ed | cant you guys be a little more specific about the differences between kanotix, knoppix, and pure debian? |
| 04:00.37 | NarCoT_ | anyone? |
| 04:00.57 | ixi | rajasun: he-he, 2 chatters icluding me on #gtk :) |
| 04:01.36 | jbAU | #php at least you can play old emulating games |
| 04:01.51 | ixi | Its a sodipodi application and font size is huuuge which i dislike of course. How to reduce its size? |
| 04:02.54 | jharrison | abrotman: I guess not |
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| 04:04.55 | Flimzy | mr_ed: NO |
| 04:04.58 | Flimzy | mr_ed: stop trolling |
| 04:05.12 | Flimzy | mr_ed: If you want more specific, then install both and run diff |
| 04:05.16 | mr_ed | trolling is NOT what i am doing |
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| 04:05.46 | abrotman | mr_ed: then go ask #knoppix |
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| 04:05.52 | NarCoT | Hi, When I try running 'make module_install' while upgrading kernel I get this next error: make: *** [_modinst_post] Error 1 |
| 04:05.56 | Flimzy | mr_ed: Well then stop asking the same question over and over again, demanding different answers. If you don't call that trolling, fine. But quit doing it regardless. |
| 04:06.00 | sdogi | mr_ed: what's kanotix? can't you read it from their site or something, i guess people here don't use all that crap |
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| 04:06.48 | mr_ed | i d/l'ed that debian minimal install disc and it couldnt even partition the disc--how am i supposed to see the differences like that? |
| 04:06.58 | rixth | Does anyone know where I can find the Century Gothic font for Linux? |
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| 04:07.22 | sdogi | mr_ed: it couldn't? you mean it should do it automatically? |
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| 04:07.44 | sdogi | mr_ed: wtf are you trying to accomplish here anyway |
| 04:07.48 | sdogi | don't get it |
| 04:07.52 | mr_ed | and as far as over and over again goes how bout YOU break the repetition flimzy and give a non-smartass answer? |
| 04:08.02 | bkerin | I try to view video at http://www.compfused.com/directlink/621/ and it says I need plugin application/x-mplayer2, will the shock plugins no way work or do I need to find somewhere to remap the MIME types or something? |
| 04:08.43 | abrotman | mr_ed: if you have problems with the sarge installer .. ask #debian-boot |
| 04:08.43 | ohmy | has anyone successfully compiled a kernel in debian to work with an 8 port mutiuser card that only used one irq?? |
| 04:08.45 | Flimzy | mr_ed: I'm sorry if you think my correct answers are smart-ass. |
| 04:08.48 | sdogi | mr_ed: well nobody knows about these things you see, so no answer, i don't know anything about knoppix or knotix |
| 04:08.52 | Flimzy | mr_ed: But I also was not the only person to give you an answer |
| 04:09.04 | ohmy | for business application |
| 04:09.11 | Flimzy | ohmy: mutiuser card? |
| 04:09.28 | Flimzy | ohmy: I've used a Cyclades 8-port serial card... not sure if that's the kind of thing you mean. |
| 04:09.29 | ohmy | yes, made by vscom800 |
| 04:09.36 | ohmy | yes |
| 04:10.08 | ohmy | did you have to put a start script somewhere for the ttys,etc. |
| 04:10.15 | abrotman | mr_ed: how about you stop asking? .. why does it matter how they differ so much? |
| 04:10.38 | Flimzy | ohmy: Probably. |
| 04:10.53 | ohmy | Flimzy, I tried in /home/user/.kde/Autostart but that didnt work |
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| 04:11.29 | mr_ed | i am just asking a serious question----these other distros are debian-based--so what is the difference? other than they are not pure debian--which DUH! i knew b4 i came in here |
| 04:11.38 | abrotman | !b4 |
| 04:11.39 | dpkg | try before, moron, or i51 n34 g10 o23...BINGO! |
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| 04:12.01 | sdogi | mr_ed: but nobody knows |
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| 04:12.02 | abrotman | mr_ed: most of us don't use them .. but such as with mepis .. mepis has an additinal archive .. |
| 04:12.12 | scarynetworkguy | !tell mr_ed about policy |
| 04:12.13 | mrhemlock | <<< mr_ed on ignore !! |
| 04:12.19 | abrotman | mr_ed: you're truly asking in the wrong channel |
| 04:12.27 | ohmy | Flimzy, then someone else told me to put a script in ...boot.sh .(somewhere in debian) butthat didn't work/ and I did dwnload all sources and compiled a new kernel |
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| 04:13.01 | Flimzy | ohmy: Debian doesn't use 'boot.sh'. You probably want to put something in the setserial init script. |
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| 04:13.08 | ohmy | Flimzy, but it still couldn't see the speeds I set in inittab but it did see the ttys and addresses:) |
| 04:13.56 | ohmy | Flimzy, what is the loc of that init script?? would love to try it |
| 04:14.22 | Flimzy | ohmy: same as all the others... /etc/init.d |
| 04:14.40 | ohmy | Flimzy, really...?..hmm let me look |
| 04:14.50 | sdogi | /etc/inittab i think, that's a place where some serial stuff are started up but most stuff go to umm /etc/init.d in debian i think |
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| 04:15.57 | toymachine | hrmm in debian how can i make a user able to mount devices? |
| 04:16.07 | cirdan | add user to the fstab args |
| 04:16.14 | cirdan | man fstab |
| 04:16.23 | toymachine | did that |
| 04:16.39 | sdogi | then he needs to log in log out again i think |
| 04:16.39 | mr_ed | hmmmm...lets see...the other distros are debian based...and this is the debian channel----no--i think i am in the correct place all right---its just that for some reason you guys want to bark instead of talk---why is that? |
| 04:16.44 | toymachine | even set the owner via the uid arg |
| 04:16.48 | sdogi | try ssh localhost and log in again |
| 04:17.00 | sdogi | and then try to mount |
| 04:17.12 | abrotman | mr_ed: SO WHY DON"T YOU ASK #KNOPPIX HOW KNOPPIX DIFFERS .. GO AWAY |
| 04:17.20 | abrotman | gah .. |
| 04:17.33 | drac | pciehp: PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver version: 0.4, ** driver failed to call pci_enable_device(). As a temporary workaround, the "pci=routeirq" argument restores the old please email the output of "lspci" to bjorn.helgaas@hp.com. I'm getting this on every single boot i'm doing. 2.6.10, debian kernel, and with 2.6.10-ac12 self compiled. Should I do what it suggested and add pci=routeirq to grub boot parameters? |
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| 04:18.23 | ohmy | Flimzy, do you remember appending it to the seterial file in etc/init.d or did you do something in : /etc/serial.conf ? |
| 04:18.32 | abrotman | mr_ed: and i already told oyu how mepis differs .. you got a freebie |
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| 04:19.06 | mr_ed | one day soon abrotman--your head will come out of your ass--when it does you and your other cronies here may not survive the resulting krakotoa like report |
| 04:19.13 | Flimzy | ohmy: I don't know. It was several years ago. I don't think /etc/serial.conf existed then. |
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| 04:19.44 | abrotman | mr_ed: do you think i care what you think about me? .. i have no idea who you are .. for all i know .. you're a fucktard from niagara falls |
| 04:20.01 | abrotman | god |
| 04:20.04 | ohmy | I could have not known because I was trying it in kanotix |
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| 04:20.28 | ohmy | I thought it would be easier to install or is it than debian? |
| 04:20.37 | abrotman | we don't use kanotix . no idea |
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| 04:21.00 | ohmy | hmm..its debian style..with all apt-get stuff too |
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| 04:21.11 | abrotman | does that mean that mr_ed is going to report on us ? |
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| 04:22.32 | OmiKrOn | anyone knows where to get libperl from? |
| 04:22.44 | ohmy | actually, I am on kanotix now and the /etc/init.d/setserial is here too..might just work too...are debian people likeing it better than other linux takeoffs of debian? |
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| 04:23.22 | tweekken | ohmy: likely asking in wrong place |
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| 04:23.38 | Flimzy | ohmy: Debian people like Debian. |
| 04:23.43 | abrotman | ohmy: we use debian |
| 04:23.45 | Flimzy | ohmy: Otherwise they wouldn't be Debian people, now would they? |
| 04:23.46 | abrotman | what is so hard about that |
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| 04:23.53 | ohmy | its all debian, friend of mine said.. |
| 04:23.56 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 04:23.56 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 04:23.58 | abrotman | ohmy: he lied |
| 04:23.59 | Flimzy | ohmy: Your friend is on crack. |
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| 04:24.08 | toymachine | anyone get an X Shape extension error when they try to run gmplayer? |
| 04:24.25 | moya | i'd saw php5 packages in incoming.d.o some days ago, they are no more in incoming but now, packages.debian.org/php5 give no results, any hint on where the packages go ? |
| 04:24.31 | Flimzy | ohmy: If it was Debian, it would be called Debian and not Xanotrox or whateve the hell you said |
| 04:24.31 | ohmy | yes, but there are all types visiting all areas I found and some know in diff chat areas too:) |
| 04:24.32 | abrotman | toymachine: mplayer isn't in debian |
| 04:24.32 | tweekken | I use debian libranet and others but I do not ask libranet questions in here EVER |
| 04:24.44 | toymachine | abrotman. its "unofficial" |
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| 04:24.51 | Flimzy | ohmy: There are dozens (if not more) RPM-based distributions, but they're not all Red Hat. |
| 04:24.52 | abrotman | ohmy: if you want to ask about your distro in here .. it should be debian .. not something based on it |
| 04:24.57 | tweekken | I have NEVER had a libranet question I could not answer for myself |
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| 04:25.06 | abrotman | toymachine: right .. not in debian |
| 04:25.13 | jadoogar | Is there any possiblity that i take image of one hardisk of one machine and restore it in an other system hardisk with different specs ? |
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| 04:25.24 | toymachine | abrotman right, but XFree86 IS in debian |
| 04:25.26 | ohmy | he loved debian vers 3.? and then jumped into knoppix..he said it was all about the same. and he had a md incomputing |
| 04:25.28 | sdogi | wow, sarge's floppy stuff is already pretty advanced: Put in Root disk or USB stick... much nicer than that woody's :) only it was hard to select estonia as country because it didn't use less or more for listing the long listing of countries |
| 04:25.30 | toymachine | and any app that requires that, im getting that error |
| 04:25.36 | sdogi | but in any other ways it's much nicer :) |
| 04:25.36 | toymachine | and i did a full install of XFree86 |
| 04:25.38 | abrotman | toymachine: but mplayer is broken ? |
| 04:25.39 | nvz | ohmy: what makes debian, is the debian policies. once someone installs debian, adds pieces against debian policy, and rund bootcd to make it a live distro, its no longer debian |
| 04:25.45 | Flimzy | ohmy: And just because Henry Ford invented the automobile doesn't mean that I can call my local Ford dealer for help fixing my Toyta. |
| 04:25.48 | toymachine | no, any app that requires the X Shape extension |
| 04:25.50 | Flimzy | Toyota, even. |
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| 04:25.58 | toymachine | i was just using gmplayer as an example, because tons of ppl use mplayer |
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| 04:26.34 | abrotman | Flimzy: watch out for krakatoa!! |
| 04:26.44 | Flimzy | jadoogar: That can sorta be possible |
| 04:26.51 | ohmy | ok.. dont get yer feather all in a flutter, just makingsome conversation..ok? sorry, didnt mean to offend |
| 04:27.02 | Flimzy | jadoogar: I did that once on a laptop... There are some downsides. |
| 04:27.38 | rbrenart | I have most of my sound finally working, but the one place it still seems to be broken is the system sound events in gnome... namely if I go applications->system preferences->sound->sound events->test, I hear nothing. I don't really care so much about these sounds, but I think it's holding me back in getting sound from wine which I do care about quite a bit... does anyone have any idea how I might remedy this? |
| 04:27.42 | cat | oh boy i had bash book on my hands |
| 04:27.50 | Flimzy | jadoogar: The new drive must be the same size or larger than the old one. |
| 04:28.02 | Flimzy | jadoogar: If it's larger, make a partition as close to the size of the original as possible, *BUT NOT SMALLER*. |
| 04:28.03 | ohmy | sdogi, what parts do you like better..I might try debian if I knew it wasnt that tough..? |
| 04:28.11 | Flimzy | jadoogar: Then 'dd' the partition to the new location. |
| 04:28.12 | jadoogar | Flimzy: you can save my life ? |
| 04:28.26 | Flimzy | jadoogar: You can then create an additional partition after the copied one |
| 04:28.28 | OmiKrOn | anyone knows how to get rid of this? /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl |
| 04:28.30 | toymachine | if you want a better example abrotman |
| 04:28.30 | sdogi | ohmy: well it's actually very easy |
| 04:28.33 | toymachine | apt-get install blast |
| 04:28.39 | toymachine | then run blast in a terminal window in X |
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| 04:28.50 | Thanatermesis | Im create a .deb file... and need to include a FORCE mode for this error... |
| 04:28.51 | toymachine | you'll get XLib: extension "SHAPE" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 04:28.52 | Flimzy | jadoogar: The copied partition will appear to be the exact same size as the original... even if the new partition was a bit larger (that's why you want the sizes to be as close as possible)... the extra space will be wasted |
| 04:29.00 | Thanatermesis | Unpacking elive-themes-eterm (from .../elive-themes-eterm_0.1_i386.deb) ... |
| 04:29.00 | Thanatermesis | dpkg: error processing /tmp/elive-themes-eterm_0.1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 04:29.00 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:29.04 | ohmy | sdogi, how about desktop...does it build itself? |
| 04:29.05 | sdogi | ohmy: but i have many experiences with other GNU/Linux stuff and bsd's too though |
| 04:29.15 | sdogi | ohmy: haven't got that far, could report later though :) |
| 04:29.21 | abrotman | toymachine: nope . works perfectly fine |
| 04:29.31 | Flimzy | jadoogar: I've only done it with a FAT32 partition (Win98). I went from a 6gb drive to a 20gb drive. When I was done, I had a 6gb and ~14gb partition. |
| 04:29.36 | abrotman | toymachine: apt-get install x-window-system maybe ? |
| 04:29.42 | sdogi | but with working system, hell apt-get is so easy it can't be hard |
| 04:29.43 | Flimzy | jadoogar: The 6gb drive as an exact copy of the original drive. |
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| 04:29.46 | ohmy | sdogi, me2 suse, rh, mandrake,knoppix,kanotix so far |
| 04:29.52 | abrotman | ohmy: no buliding .. binary packages |
| 04:29.57 | Greeeen_Alien | how do you shutdown? |
| 04:30.01 | Flimzy | jadoogar: I've never tried it with ext2... altho I suspect it should work (with the same limitation I mentioned earlier) |
| 04:30.02 | toymachine | hrmm |
| 04:30.05 | toymachine | i'll give that a shot |
| 04:30.07 | abrotman | Greeeen_Alien: halt |
| 04:30.09 | sdogi | only conf part, but that's more like xorg's problem |
| 04:30.11 | abrotman | poweroff |
| 04:30.11 | sdogi | or xfrees |
| 04:30.13 | abrotman | shutdown |
| 04:30.21 | OmiKrOn | how is the libperl package called under debian? |
| 04:30.25 | sdogi | ohmy: oh, well rh could have taught you something :) |
| 04:30.30 | Greeeen_Alien | ok |
| 04:30.32 | Flimzy | jadoogar: You might theoretically be able to resize the copied partition, to expand to the fully available space, after the copy. But I've never tried this... and would only try it if I had a good backup copy of the data, in case the resize failed. |
| 04:30.33 | jadoogar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.38 | Flimzy | jadoogar: Also note that resizing isn't always an option. |
| 04:30.43 | nvz | I shutdown, with: init 0 |
| 04:30.44 | Flimzy | jadoogar: Is it a Linux filesystem? |
| 04:30.51 | abrotman | nvz: you're a dork :) |
| 04:30.55 | sdogi | anyway debian is a cool distro, specially because it's apt-get :) |
| 04:30.59 | Greeeen_Alien | how do I switch from xdm to gdm? |
| 04:31.05 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 04:31.06 | nvz | abrotman: I have never used those commands, I dont even know what the difference is |
| 04:31.14 | jadoogar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.16 | drac | Greeeen_Alien: update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
| 04:31.18 | toymachine | that added 3 packages, lemme try now |
| 04:31.19 | Flimzy | jadoogar: Then just use cp. |
| 04:31.24 | Greeeen_Alien | ok, thx all |
| 04:31.36 | nvz | abrotman: I figure perhaps they are designed to have a program you can allow non-root to shutdown without giving permision to run init |
| 04:31.37 | abrotman | nvz: i know what you mean |
| 04:31.40 | Flimzy | jadoogar: hardware differences won't prevent it from rebooting unless you have different types of HDs (i.e. going from IDE to SCSI, or vice versa) |
| 04:31.42 | russo | does anyone know how to get an intergrate sil3114 controller to be recongnized by linux so i can run raid0 and boot from it??? |
| 04:31.58 | Flimzy | jadoogar: You may need to reinstall/recompile your kernel to support your new NIC, sound card, video card, etc. But that can be done after the fact. |
| 04:31.59 | ohmy | sdogi, rh did..it was the hardest and no help back then either...whew..but always had trouble with desktop with rh |
| 04:32.23 | abrotman | nvz: ls -l /sbin/poweroff |
| 04:33.01 | moya | where can be a package that was in incoming some days ago but isn't in the archive now, i'm talking of php5 |
| 04:33.05 | rbrenart | join /#sound |
| 04:33.14 | jadoogar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.15 | abrotman | moya: stuck in the queue |
| 04:33.29 | abrotman | moya: ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 04:33.49 | Flimzy | jadoogar: that'll probably work. You may end up having to boot the new system off of a rescue disk to install SATA drivers... but I dunno, since I've never used SATA. |
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| 04:34.44 | sdogi | ohmy: well i think debian is much easier than rhel actually when you learn a bit |
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| 04:35.04 | Flimzy | jadoogar: okay |
| 04:35.14 | doug | what command can i use or what pckg can i reconfig to set basic net settings (dhcp toggle, ip, gateway, etc)? |
| 04:35.25 | abrotman | etherconf |
| 04:35.28 | doug | thanks |
| 04:35.29 | abrotman | !tell doug about interfaces |
| 04:35.44 | sdogi | ohmy: rhel has many issues with packages, not only that dep hell but many other stuff, like lately our itcollege had some installing lesson and all that had to install stuff to redhat failed |
| 04:36.10 | sdogi | ohmy: not totally, but in example samba had one directory missing from package which should have been there |
| 04:36.35 | sdogi | ohmy: i found it out by comparing this package with slackwares samba package, such things are strange |
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| 04:36.40 | tweekken | I had several VERY bad experiences with DeadRat |
| 04:36.42 | abrotman | time for bed |
| 04:36.53 | sdogi | i want to go to bed too! |
| 04:36.57 | abrotman | too bad mr_ed got the worst of it |
| 04:37.25 | abrotman | though .. he was being a dick .. i think it would be easier to contact those projects and ask them how they differ . they're the ones who altered debian |
| 04:37.37 | russo | can someone get dpkg to tell me about how to set up a bootable raid0? |
| 04:37.38 | jadoogar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.44 | abrotman | !software raid |
| 04:37.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, software raid is the pet rock of the 2100s. One day you're going to look back at this and wonder "My GOD! What was I *thinking*?" |
| 04:37.49 | abrotman | bah |
| 04:37.51 | abrotman | !raid |
| 04:37.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid |
| 04:37.56 | abrotman | jeez |
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| 04:38.00 | abrotman | russo: you need the RAID howto |
| 04:38.04 | abrotman | tldp.org |
| 04:38.33 | Flimzy | jadoogar: what problem? |
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| 04:39.54 | doug | su root |
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| 04:39.58 | doug | woops |
| 04:40.00 | sdogi | lol |
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| 04:40.09 | sdogi | you don't need to write root after i think |
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| 04:40.55 | toymachine | ok this xshape thing is killin me |
| 04:41.12 | inc|freaky | yay, i fixed the pppoe problem myself :D |
| 04:41.33 | sdogi | inc|freaky: what was wrong ?:) |
| 04:41.47 | Flimzy | jadoogar: you mean installing drivers? |
| 04:41.50 | Flimzy | jadoogar: kernel-howto I guess |
| 04:42.27 | russo | abrotman:yeah but i need a hardware raid softraid wont work with my config and i want it bootable :( sil3114 controller |
| 04:42.47 | inc|freaky | as i thought at the beginning, eth1 wasnt up ... but i changed nothing... i just added a ifconfig eth1 up at the beginning of the ip-up script, now it works. it always says that that configuration method is deprecated, but im using pppoeconf and as it uses this configuration method ... anyway, i have no idea how to set up the interfaces method |
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| 04:44.43 | toymachine | anyone here have trouble with XShape extension? |
| 04:45.30 | sdogi | inc|freaky: ok |
| 04:45.36 | jadoogar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:45.51 | Flimzy | jadoogar: Well I pretty well just told you. |
| 04:45.56 | sdogi | inc|freaky: pppoe, is it something needed for adsl? |
| 04:46.01 | sdogi | ppp over ethernet |
| 04:46.07 | Flimzy | jadoogar: 1) copy the files from old machine to new. 2) recompile the kernel with the necessary drivers for the new machine. |
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| 04:46.24 | inc|freaky | sdogi: yea, its used by isps to make such connections available as dial-up connections ;) |
| 04:46.27 | Flimzy | jadoogar: I guess I could put that into a HOWTO... it's not long enough for a mini-howto. Perhaps I'll start a Micro-HOWTO fad. |
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| 04:47.04 | sdogi | inc|freaky: why don't you use adsl-setup instead? |
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| 04:47.40 | inc|freaky | i aint got it. |
| 04:47.50 | inc|freaky | anyway, when i used pppoeconf everything worked aswell |
| 04:47.51 | sdogi | inc|freaky: you set stuff up, then all you need is adsl-start in ip-up script, actually you don't need to put it even there, only to some start up script of your pc |
| 04:47.59 | sdogi | you should have it actually |
| 04:48.10 | inc|freaky | at the moment all i need to do is writing pon to dial-in and poff to dial-out |
| 04:48.15 | inc|freaky | or, erm, close the connection |
| 04:48.20 | sdogi | ahh it's in rp-pppoe package |
| 04:48.33 | inc|freaky | i got the rp-pppoe ;) |
| 04:48.52 | inc|freaky | at least its working now. |
| 04:49.37 | inc|freaky | it makes no difference from using pppoeconf and adsl-setup ... as pppoeconf just missed out the interface configuration. well, eth1 isnt configured anywhere, at least not in the interfaces file, at the beginning i used webmin and it wanted me to set an ip-address but i cant know its ip-address before dialin-in so i was confused |
| 04:49.51 | inc|freaky | now i just ignored everything, didnt set up any interface, and just use ifconfig eth1 up and it works :D |
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| 04:51.18 | sdogi | inc|freaky: well it's just with that package all i need is one adsl-start and it takes care of everything |
| 04:52.00 | jadoogar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.10 | Flimzy | jadoogar: I just did. |
| 04:52.11 | inc|freaky | sdogi: same with pppoeconfig ... |
| 04:52.15 | sdogi | right now you have to do ifconfig eth1 up manually which is really deprecated |
| 04:52.16 | Flimzy | jadoogar: 1) copy the files from old machine to new. 2) recompile the kernel with the necessary drivers for the new machine. |
| 04:52.18 | Flimzy | jadoogar: there it is |
| 04:52.21 | Flimzy | jadoogar: for the 4th time |
| 04:52.26 | jazzmans | Anpir Cio |
| 04:52.30 | sdogi | in the means that usually software should take care of it |
| 04:52.38 | inc|freaky | sdogi: i cant find the rp-pppoe package anyway |
| 04:52.41 | sdogi | well it isn't if you are having problems |
| 04:52.43 | sdogi | oh |
| 04:53.20 | doug | dpkg/whois doug |
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| 04:53.27 | sdogi | it's just basically your problem is that ethernet interface is not being turned on |
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| 04:53.35 | inc|freaky | right |
| 04:53.37 | sdogi | you should ask someone with debian and adsl :) |
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| 04:53.58 | sdogi | strange though that there isn't rp-ppoe package |
| 04:54.24 | paperclip_ | ok.. does one need waproamd to wander around and use open APs? |
| 04:54.32 | jadoogar | Flimzy: thanks |
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| 04:54.52 | jadoogar | Flimzy: i am going to apply this |
| 04:54.53 | inc|freaky | adsl-setup is what i used to use with mandrake though |
| 04:55.06 | inc|freaky | sdogi: rp-pppoe is loaded and installed |
| 04:55.19 | inc|freaky | sdogi: i just have pppoeconf instead of adsl-setup |
| 04:55.33 | inc|freaky | pon and poff instead of adsl-connect or what you use |
| 04:55.36 | inc|freaky | im using sarge |
| 04:56.26 | sdogi | so pon should take care of everything then |
| 04:56.39 | Thanatermesis | Im create a .deb file... and need to include a FORCE mode for this error... |
| 04:56.42 | Thanatermesis | dpkg: error processing /tmp/elive-themes-eterm_0.1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 04:56.46 | Thanatermesis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.57 | sdogi | rp-pppoe: rp-pppoe (Roaring Penguin PPPoE client) |
| 04:57.31 | nvz | man, I am tired :/ |
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| 04:57.52 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: If eterm and the package you're installing are both included in Debian, then you need to file a bug report against one or both of them. |
| 04:58.03 | inc|freaky | sdogi: it did until yesterday - i think it was caused by the upgrade of some package but im not sure |
| 04:58.07 | Guerin | Flimzy: he's creating the .deb |
| 04:58.14 | Flimzy | oh, right |
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| 04:58.18 | Flimzy | I see that now |
| 04:58.19 | Guerin | Flimzy: so he needs to fix it |
| 04:58.24 | bhearsum | how do i disable hotplug in woody? |
| 04:58.28 | sdogi | inc|freaky: oh |
| 04:58.49 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: It probably violates Debian standards to do this... but you could handle it in a post-inst script. |
| 04:58.53 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: don't include that file in your packah\ge, or instruct your users to install it with --force-overwrite |
| 04:58.54 | Thanatermesis | no Flimzy, this is my deb paquet, I need to force this overwrite |
| 04:59.07 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: (I'm not sure if a post-inst should overwrite files created by another package or not) |
| 04:59.15 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: that's a really fucking bad idea, to do it automatically |
| 04:59.19 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: If it's for your own internal use, that would work. |
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| 05:00.25 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: altho I still agree with Guerin that it's "a really fucking bad idea" |
| 05:00.31 | russo | wut program opens zip files??? |
| 05:00.37 | Flimzy | russo: unzip |
| 05:00.51 | Thanatermesis | :( |
| 05:00.54 | Flimzy | !wut |
| 05:00.55 | dpkg | i guess wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 05:01.03 | oneo | hey guys - im deleting files but the space doesnt seem to be clearing up - is there a .Trash file in debian? |
| 05:01.12 | Flimzy | !msg |
| 05:01.12 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. ... |
| 05:01.44 | Guerin | oneo: what tool is showiunbg your disk not clearing? |
| 05:01.49 | oneo | df |
| 05:01.52 | Thanatermesis | Guerin, Flimzy is not posible to include a force mode in .deb file ? Im consciently of the causes, only overwrite the default theme, not are bad... :/ |
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| 05:02.24 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: I'm not aware of a 'force' mode that allows a debian package to violate Debian standards in that way. |
| 05:02.35 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: And I can't imagine a reason anyone would want such a thing to exist. |
| 05:02.39 | Guerin | oneo: that's not very reliable - if something is still using or accessing the file, it'll still show as used |
| 05:03.28 | Flimzy | I wonder what "consciently" means |
| 05:03.34 | Guerin | Thanatermesis: well, you can set a preference to do it, I expect |
| 05:03.46 | oneo | Guerin - whats a better tool to use? |
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| 05:03.58 | toymachine | fixed it |
| 05:04.08 | inc|freaky | i love debian :D |
| 05:04.09 | Thanatermesis | Flimzy, I need to personalize a distro based in debian |
| 05:04.39 | Thanatermesis | ok Guerin |
| 05:04.45 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: Well then you have the power to modify the other package that contains that file. And then you can make it so the two packages don't clash. |
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| 05:04.59 | sdogi | damn it's -17 degrees celsius here |
| 05:05.21 | alus | !weather sf |
| 05:05.24 | dpkg | I can't find station code "SF" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 05:05.52 | dlksjf | anyone know how to get the debian netinst to recognize and install a local package? like wlan-ng? so's i can actually complete the rest of the install? |
| 05:05.56 | drac | Is there imageviewer that shows gif/jpeg/whatver pictures as ascii/ansi in console? |
| 05:06.02 | paperclip_ | alus: sfo? |
| 05:06.06 | Flimzy | dlksjf: dpkg -i <package>.deb |
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| 05:06.09 | alus | !weather sfo |
| 05:06.11 | dpkg | I can't find station code "SFO" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 05:06.21 | paperclip_ | heh |
| 05:06.27 | dlksjf | FLimzy: at what stage of the install? |
| 05:06.30 | cafuego | it's 33C, you wussbag. |
| 05:06.42 | Flimzy | drac: I think there's an aalib viewer... perhaps aaview? not sure. There might be more than one viewer with aalib support. |
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| 05:06.52 | alus | !weather ksfo |
| 05:06.56 | Flimzy | dlksjf: I can't say for sure. |
| 05:06.56 | dpkg | San Francisco, San Francisco International Airport, CA, United States; (KSFO) 37-37-11N 122-21-53W 26M; last updated: 2005.03.01 0356 UTC; Dew Point: 54.0 F (12.2 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.14 in. Hg (1020 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 54.0 F (12.2 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) |
| 05:06.59 | cafuego | drac: 'fbi' can just show them fully in the console (provided you run a framebuffer). |
| 05:07.13 | Flimzy | dlksjf: worst case, you can copy the files directly to the appropriate location on the ramdisk if it's that early in the install. |
| 05:07.27 | omckinley | has anyone here had experience compiling iptables-p2p successfully under debian? |
| 05:07.38 | Thanatermesis | hummm... ok, thx |
| 05:07.44 | Flimzy | !ask |
| 05:07.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 05:07.59 | drac | cafuego: Nah, i'm kind of looking for copy'n'paste part of real images to my tetradraw :) |
| 05:08.10 | drac | Flimzy: ok, i'll look around.. thanks |
| 05:08.35 | Flimzy | drac: I know mplayer has support for aalib... not sure if that helps you or not, tho. hehe |
| 05:08.51 | dlksjf | Flimzy: so i'd ctrl-alt-Fkey myself into another term maybe...i see... |
| 05:09.04 | dlksjf | thx, ill give it a shot |
| 05:09.25 | cafuego | drac: Like macgifscii used to do back in '94 yeh i see. |
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| 05:10.48 | dgc | ooo, fun weather reports! |
| 05:10.51 | dgc | !weather ksjc |
| 05:10.54 | dpkg | San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: 2005.03.01 0353 UTC; Dew Point: 50.0 F (10.0 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.13 in. Hg (1020 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 54.0 F (12.2 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) |
| 05:11.01 | drac | Flimzy: Ah, cacaview in caca-utils! |
| 05:11.04 | zeeble | ugh |
| 05:11.04 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 05:11.04 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 05:11.08 | mwilson | Oh, someone's found out that the bot can do METAR again, huh? |
| 05:11.09 | drac | Not just ascii, pure ansi! :) |
| 05:11.36 | bjb | oneo, df is good for measure disk usage. What are you using to delete fiels? |
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| 05:11.39 | bjb | files |
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| 05:12.27 | Technorevo | can anyone suggest a room where i can get help installing an ssl certificate on my site? |
| 05:12.46 | peterS | !room |
| 05:12.46 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 05:12.48 | drac | cafuego: I've never seen anything like it back in BBS days.. have to give it a try in name of motd! |
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| 05:16.11 | cafuego | !cafuegosmite peterS |
| 05:17.33 | calin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.48 | calin | I allready asked in #grub, but noone is answering for like, 10 minutes |
| 05:18.03 | calin | can anyone help? |
| 05:18.30 | Guerin | Technorevo: http://www.myrddin.org/howto/debian-apache-sslcert.php |
| 05:19.08 | paperclip_ | anyone know of a decent deborphan tutorial/howto? |
| 05:19.19 | Guerin | calin: google for them. some handy ones are 789 (800x600) and 791 (1024x768) |
| 05:19.35 | calin | thank you Guerin |
| 05:19.46 | Guerin | calin: it's documented in the kernel doc or someplace equally obscure |
| 05:20.01 | calin | ah. I'll search my files |
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| 05:20.10 | calin | thanks for the heads up and the hints |
| 05:21.57 | sdogi | if anyone cares then net base install takes ~250 mb :) |
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| 05:26.04 | russo | guys where is the apt-get sourcelist stored at? |
| 05:26.28 | nvz | I guess abrotman went to bed :P I was just trying to tab=complete his nick |
| 05:26.42 | russo | i want to edit mine whats the easiest way to get the the apt-get source-list? |
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| 05:27.01 | xaero | its source.list inside the /etc/apt/ directory i think |
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| 05:27.16 | phyburn | hay i have a lap-top how do i put it to sleep |
| 05:27.16 | ALinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.19 | cleaverAlf | russo: apt-cache dump | less |
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| 05:27.37 | nvz | I was looking over my schedule for my little trip, and I guess the reason I am going to be in Ohio for an hour is to eat lunch |
| 05:28.01 | Guerin | phyburn: give it a cup of warm milk and sing it a lullaby |
| 05:28.09 | jair_11 | Anyone here has ever configure "vsftp"? |
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| 05:28.18 | jair_11 | or Apache server? |
| 05:28.24 | Guerin | ALinux: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 05:28.31 | phyburn | thanks guerin |
| 05:28.40 | phyburn | do you know or not |
| 05:28.44 | Guerin | jair_11: no, nobody uses either of those things. We just talk on irc all day |
| 05:29.03 | Guerin | phyburn: the only answer anyone can truthfully give you is "depends" |
| 05:29.24 | Vme | i just recently moved a website from a 2003 server running IIS and to a debian running Apache2...i'm having trouble with some of my ASP pages..... |
| 05:29.33 | Guerin | phyburn: google around for acpi, apm, software suspend and hibernate |
| 05:29.38 | Vme | is there a package i can install to fix this? |
| 05:29.48 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 05:30.00 | phyburn | is there any way to put a computer a sleep in gnome |
| 05:30.10 | Guerin | i see this channel hasn't changed drastically in my absence |
| 05:30.20 | Guerin | phyburn: no |
| 05:30.20 | phyburn | i have a lap-top and when i close the cover it does not put it to sleep any more |
| 05:30.25 | jair_11 | Vme: any good tutorial you can recommend me? |
| 05:30.34 | paperclip_ | uhm... what are "super cow powers"? |
| 05:30.37 | phyburn | really i have to shut it down Guerin |
| 05:30.46 | jair_11 | I want to start that project and the vsftp too. |
| 05:30.53 | nvz | Guerin: nope. we didnt even really talk about you while you were gone either |
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| 05:30.54 | Guerin | phyburn: power management has nothing to do with what gui you use; it's almost all kernel |
| 05:30.55 | ALinux | Guerin: my question is not with ssh , I mean I don't want to run "xhost +" everytime I want to rsh to a machine and run an application in my machine |
| 05:30.58 | cleaverAlf | I need to update pango (to satisfy a dependancy) and it requires Xft version 2 and THAT comes with fontconfig.. GESSHH... any way to JUST get source for Xft and install it? |
| 05:31.21 | phyburn | Guerin is there a way in the terminal i can put it to sleep |
| 05:31.27 | Guerin | ALinux: the best way to run remote x apps is with ssh -x |
| 05:31.31 | paperclip_ | phyburn: my laptop's bios handles hibernation given the correct type of partition... |
| 05:31.32 | Guerin | phyburn: depends |
| 05:31.37 | Guerin | phyburn: do what I told you |
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| 05:31.49 | Guerin | nvz: sure, buddy, I believe you |
| 05:32.05 | nvz | Guerin: heh, well at least I havent said or heard your name. |
| 05:32.08 | phyburn | Guerin is there any way |
| 05:32.21 | phyburn | i dont have a BIOS |
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| 05:32.26 | phyburn | its PPC |
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| 05:33.54 | paperclip_ | phyburn: that's useful information.. thanks for sharing =) |
| 05:34.09 | Guerin | phyburn: ask #debian-ppx |
| 05:34.11 | Guerin | err |
| 05:34.15 | Guerin | #debianppc |
| 05:34.26 | paperclip_ | is there a laptop channel? |
| 05:34.34 | Guerin | #laptop, perhaps |
| 05:34.36 | phyburn | there is no different Guerin |
| 05:34.41 | Guerin | I might be wrong though |
| 05:34.44 | nvz | Guerin: I am leaving tomorrow afternoon back for home in Pittsburgh, myself.. will be spending next 32 hours or so in a bus. Its cheaper than someone driving me back up in the GMC Suburban I came down in, or flying. Just going to take awhile. and I of course cant really take my PC(s) with me so I might not be around for awhile myself |
| 05:34.45 | Guerin | it might be about badgers |
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| 05:35.02 | Guerin | nvz: hah, I feel your pain |
| 05:35.16 | peterS | nvz: how far from pittsburgh are you now? for some reason I was thinking you were close to there still |
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| 05:35.37 | nvz | Guerin: oh there's more, I will be the only white person in Colombus Ohio for a whole hour |
| 05:35.44 | Guerin | it took me from thursday 6pm until sunday 8pm to get from my home in NZ to my motel in korea |
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| 05:35.58 | nvz | peterS: its about a 1535mile bus ride, I am in Lake Dallas, TX |
| 05:36.00 | Guerin | nvz: and I'm still fucking living there while they get my apartment cleaned |
| 05:36.15 | peterS | nvz: now why didn't I know that? I probably did know it at one time |
| 05:36.24 | Guerin | nvz: hah, I've been one of two white people in my town for years |
| 05:36.44 | Guerin | nvz: at least the other nonwhiteys speak english though, right |
| 05:36.57 | nvz | whats even worse than that, they wont allow me to take any weapons |
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| 05:37.02 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:37.06 | lnxduk | does the default kernel have reiserfs support? |
| 05:37.07 | Guerin | probably for your ownb safety |
| 05:37.07 | peterS | nvz: hehe |
| 05:37.25 | peterS | lnxduk: which default? which debian version? |
| 05:37.30 | Guerin | they confiscated my knife at the airport :( |
| 05:37.32 | lnxduk | I forget |
| 05:37.35 | lnxduk | woody? |
| 05:37.37 | obsmav | anybody here have experiance with running dual nic'ed systems? i went from a static ip network to a dhcp / firewall server with internet connection sharring. so far so good, but for some reason i have trouble acsessing any service over the lan nic or ip? |
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| 05:37.42 | Guerin | i forgot to take it out of my pocket |
| 05:37.48 | peterS | lnxduk: kernel 2.4.18 shipping with woody (debian 3.0) has reiserfs support. so do all newer debian kernels. older ones don't. |
| 05:37.50 | phyburn | haha that happened to me |
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| 05:37.59 | lnxduk | ok |
| 05:38.05 | phyburn | it was a 80 knife to |
| 05:38.09 | Guerin | obsmav: specifics are required |
| 05:38.09 | peterS | lnxduk: think twice before using it, though. reiserfs has a well-deserved reputation as a good way to test your backup strategy |
| 05:38.11 | lnxduk | because I installed debian on a reiser partition |
| 05:38.14 | lnxduk | I hope it can boot |
| 05:38.37 | lnxduk | I'm using reiser4 on another computer :-P |
| 05:38.41 | nvz | I hope there isnt an ass of security on the bus.. not because I am smuggling anything or taking anything I plan to use as a weapon, but because I am taking a few hd's back with me and some other electronics, I dont want them runing with scanners of any kind |
| 05:38.47 | lnxduk | but this one is just reiser 3.6 |
| 05:39.06 | nvz | they said I could take electronics as long as I carried em on, and didnt keep em in the luggage compartment |
| 05:39.09 | Guerin | scanners don't hurt magentic storage |
| 05:39.11 | obsmav | Guerin, cant ping or ssh or smbclient my lan ip :"192.168.0.100" or my nat ip, but when acsessed from the outside, all those services work"except for samba cus i dont want that run outside the fireswall :P" |
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| 05:40.28 | Guerin | obsmav: sounds like a routing problem. You might want to install ipmasq |
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| 05:40.42 | nvz | I am tired as fuck, cause I got up decently early, about sunrise, and didn't sleep much.. but I am trying to get mp3s in line to burn on a cd in case I start to go insane |
| 05:40.46 | Guerin | obsmav: my brain is too mushy to deal with it in detail now thoguh |
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| 05:41.23 | nvz | and trying to examine my priorities and fit everything I want to take into my allowed two suitcases, and two carry ons.. one of which I am hoping they will let me take my guitar as carryon |
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| 05:41.51 | dennis_ | #manaus |
| 05:41.54 | peterS | Guerin: you aren't at home with your 600 Mbit internet connection and you *still* hang out in #debian? wotta guy |
| 05:41.55 | nvz | I really, really, really do not want my guitar leaving my sight or being shipped home |
| 05:42.12 | obsmav | Guerin, lol ok thanx for the tip :p |
| 05:42.20 | Guerin | naw, I'm at a netcafe while my wife writes war and peace length emails to everyone we know |
| 05:42.46 | Guerin | peterS: and crashes my apache-ssl server by hitting "send" a million times |
| 05:42.53 | peterS | hehe |
| 05:43.10 | Guerin | i should be playing starcraft with all these koreans |
| 05:43.18 | Guerin | not that I know how |
| 05:44.12 | nvz | our internet being slow as hell today isnt helping me get everything in order.. but I got my schedule printed anyhow.. I think I am about to call it a night and try squeeze the rest into last minute prep tomorrow |
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| 05:44.42 | cafuego | Guerin: Make craploads of cheap units and overrun 'em. |
| 05:44.50 | peterS | 'night, nvz. and safe travel through columbus with your guitar |
| 05:45.16 | Guerin | cafuego: heh |
| 05:46.03 | Guerin | nvz: happy trails... like I said, I feel your pain |
| 05:46.18 | Guerin | i'm just glad I didn't have to go straight back to japan |
| 05:46.22 | Guerin | damn |
| 05:46.25 | nvz | peterS: I dont know that colombus will really be any worse than Dahntahn Picksburgh.. which is one big cultral melting pot.. any kind of person you could imagine, make a list, and stand on any corner in Pittsburgh, and you will see em all.. indian cheif, rabbi.. you name it |
| 05:46.27 | Guerin | japan is expensive |
| 05:47.46 | cleverAlf | my pango upgrade requires Xft version 2 which comes with fontconfig but their webpage will not go anywhere but http://fontconfig.org/wiki/ ... how the heck am I supposed to get src so I can install it? |
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| 05:49.24 | peterS | cleverAlf: in Debian we don't compile stuff like gtk and pango. we just pull down newer binary packages from unstable |
| 05:49.52 | nvz | my uncle says that bus stops are hangouts for hookers and gays.. |
| 05:49.54 | wept | what is up with caudium becoming a required package for a bunch of php stuff in debian/sid?! |
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| 05:50.00 | wept | its making me crazy |
| 05:50.02 | doug | in the apache conf, will setting HostnameLookups on slow the page serving down or is that done after each transfer for the purpose of giving hosts and not ips into the access.log? |
| 05:50.08 | peterS | nvz: hookers and/or gays, surely? |
| 05:50.20 | cleverAlf | peterS: so i need to add unstable to my repository... right? |
| 05:50.23 | nvz | peterS: probably so. |
| 05:51.09 | peterS | cleverAlf: well, the question is whether you want a newer gtk but not a newer debian system. if so, look for a gnome backport |
| 05:51.11 | dondelelcaro | wept: you haven't run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; before you installed php4 |
| 05:51.20 | dondelelcaro | !depends php4 |
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| 05:51.22 | dondelelcaro | wept: see above. |
| 05:51.25 | dpkg | php4: depends on libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-8), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-8) |
| 05:51.30 | dondelelcaro | well, above now. |
| 05:51.40 | wept | well, php is installed... im trying to install php4-mysql |
| 05:51.48 | dondelelcaro | wept: you mean php4 I assume. |
| 05:52.19 | dondelelcaro | wept: have you upgraded php4 to 4:4.3.10-8 yet? |
| 05:52.31 | jetscreamer | ?? Package irssi is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package irssi has no installation candidate |
| 05:52.38 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it's irssi-text |
| 05:52.41 | jetscreamer | did i use the wrong name? |
| 05:52.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:52.44 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 05:52.45 | nvz | oh well I should get a litte sleep, I need to try and find something to eat tomorrow before I go.. the first 20 hours I dont really have time to eat. about 25min in Tusla at 6:30p, and 30min in Springfield at 10:30p.. they made time to eat on the 2nd day, but they must assume I am going to eat a heafty breakfast and/or lunch before I leave |
| 05:53.03 | dondelelcaro | nvz: always bring food |
| 05:53.07 | jetscreamer | so what would be referring to it by the wrong name |
| 05:53.17 | wept | dondelelcaro: no, i havent... weird. for some reason its held back if i apt-get upgrade but not if i apt-get install it explicitly |
| 05:53.17 | Guerin | nvz: bring your own food, even if they offer to feed you |
| 05:53.21 | Guerin | mark my words |
| 05:53.29 | cleverAlf | peterS: the issue is an application I'm trying to install that requires these newer libs and all I really need is to upgrade them so I can install this application.. |
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| 05:53.36 | Guerin | living on airport/airlie food for 3 days will do you in |
| 05:53.36 | jetscreamer | wept you wouldn't have tha tproblem with dselect |
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| 05:53.51 | wept | dselect makes me cry tho.. |
| 05:54.13 | jetscreamer | yeah i can see that... but it does function well, just a fugly selection menu |
| 05:54.16 | cleverAlf | peterS: i guess that puts me somewhere inbetween.. :-( |
| 05:54.16 | Guerin | nvz: and I presume busline food is equally nauseating |
| 05:54.18 | nvz | Guerin: they make stops to eat. the 2nd day I will have 45min to eat in Indianapolis for breakfast at 7:15a, and 1hr in Colombus to eat lunch at 12:30 |
| 05:54.42 | nvz | Guerin: the long layovers are where they have resturants |
| 05:54.47 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 05:55.20 | nvz | I really dont have cash to speak of anyhow, so I will have to get something on credit to go |
| 05:55.24 | HenriqueMour4 | hello |
| 05:55.34 | HenriqueMour4 | people, i need some help |
| 05:55.41 | HenriqueMour4 | somebody??/ |
| 05:55.45 | HenriqueMour4 | PVT-ME! |
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| 05:56.41 | HenriqueMour4 | hello! |
| 05:56.46 | HenriqueMour4 | I need help |
| 05:56.46 | wept | jetscreamer: it worked after i installed php4...thanks! |
| 05:56.47 | jetx | irssi looks like bitchx... what's the difference |
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| 05:56.57 | jetx | thanks? |
| 05:57.00 | HenriqueMour4 | i'm startin to use linux... |
| 05:57.05 | cleverAlf | HenriqueMour4: ask your question first... |
| 05:57.07 | HenriqueMour4 | Jetx! |
| 05:57.13 | HenriqueMour4 | goood! |
| 05:57.22 | HenriqueMour4 | i'm using kurumin... |
| 05:57.33 | HenriqueMour4 | kurumin is a brazilian distro |
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| 05:57.43 | HenriqueMour4 | i'm brazilian |
| 05:57.50 | russo | this is the debian channel... |
| 05:57.52 | peterS | HenriqueMour4: we know what kurumin is. if you read the /topic you will know that we know |
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| 05:57.57 | jetx | not the best place to ask for help with other distros |
| 05:58.00 | jetx | !br |
| 05:58.01 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:58.09 | jetx | might be more helpful, not sure |
| 05:58.11 | HenriqueMour4 | ok! |
| 05:58.13 | HenriqueMour4 | thanks! |
| 05:58.17 | russo | pfft debian |
| 05:58.22 | russo | i mean jetx |
| 05:58.27 | HenriqueMour4 | where can i just chat? |
| 05:58.30 | russo | jetx howd u lear all the commands |
| 05:58.32 | russo | here |
| 05:58.33 | HenriqueMour4 | in what chan? |
| 05:58.37 | russo | were bout it bout it |
| 05:58.43 | HenriqueMour4 | good |
| 05:58.46 | HenriqueMour4 | russo |
| 05:58.50 | russo | uhh... sorry i kinda live in the hood |
| 05:58.51 | HenriqueMour4 | from russia? |
| 05:58.54 | russo | yeah man |
| 05:59.01 | russo | u dun see me in debian-ru |
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| 05:59.03 | russo | tho |
| 05:59.04 | russo | lol |
| 05:59.05 | jetx | russo: trial & error |
| 05:59.06 | HenriqueMour4 | good guy! |
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| 05:59.17 | HenriqueMour4 | how old have you? |
| 05:59.36 | jetx | how old are you is how you say it |
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| 05:59.56 | HenriqueMour4 | oooooops! |
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| 06:00.03 | HenriqueMour4 | how old have you |
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| 06:00.10 | HenriqueMour4 | it's better |
| 06:00.11 | jetx | s/have/are/ |
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| 06:00.26 | russo | fuck i always click x |
| 06:00.29 | HenriqueMour4 | russo... |
| 06:00.31 | russo | do exit out |
| 06:00.34 | russo | at wrong times |
| 06:00.36 | HenriqueMour4 | auhauauh |
| 06:00.42 | jetx | well if i said par-lei vu franchaise would you tell me that's better? |
| 06:00.43 | HenriqueMour4 | do you are a new user? |
| 06:00.48 | russo | hey man i just switched from windows too |
| 06:00.51 | russo | :) |
| 06:00.53 | russo | yup |
| 06:00.59 | peterS | ahhh, the smell of rotating irc logs |
| 06:01.14 | peterS | (March just started here in -0600) |
| 06:01.20 | HenriqueMour4 | how years old have you? |
| 06:01.23 | zignig | peterS: nah thats your lack of showers ;P |
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| 06:01.28 | russo | im still in the process of recognizing all my hardware |
| 06:01.29 | vonguard | hola |
| 06:01.31 | russo | how old am i? |
| 06:01.35 | vonguard | any cups brainiacs here? |
| 06:01.37 | peterS | russo: 12 |
| 06:01.37 | russo | i'm 17 |
| 06:01.39 | jetx | where is the freenode conversation channel |
| 06:01.41 | HenriqueMour4 | yes... |
| 06:01.48 | HenriqueMour4 | 17... |
| 06:01.52 | vonguard | ok, well, i got a question or two |
| 06:01.52 | russo | how old are you internet stalker man? |
| 06:01.56 | russo | ;) |
| 06:01.57 | HenriqueMour4 | has borned in 87.. |
| 06:02.01 | vonguard | i have cups up and running on my deb box |
| 06:02.04 | jetx | ask, vonguard, PLEASE |
| 06:02.09 | HenriqueMour4 | have lived in workers state! |
| 06:02.14 | vonguard | now, how can i find it from another box? |
| 06:02.22 | jetx | ipp://server |
| 06:02.24 | HenriqueMour4 | russo |
| 06:02.28 | vonguard | does ok |
| 06:02.44 | HenriqueMour4 | can you say me how is russia today? |
| 06:02.49 | vonguard | well, i've been putting in the address, but the server is said to be busy |
| 06:03.05 | vonguard | there shouldn't be anything in the cue |
| 06:03.06 | HenriqueMour4 | somebody uses msn? |
| 06:03.06 | russo | umm im in the US... its a long sotry |
| 06:03.09 | jetx | next person, beyond me |
| 06:03.10 | russo | im russian tho |
| 06:03.30 | russo | i have msn |
| 06:03.37 | HenriqueMour4 | good |
| 06:03.39 | HenriqueMour4 | so... |
| 06:03.41 | russo | well gaim... |
| 06:03.42 | HenriqueMour4 | add me |
| 06:03.45 | HenriqueMour4 | henriquemoura@msn.com |
| 06:03.46 | vonguard | hmmmm |
| 06:03.51 | vonguard | no jobs pending |
| 06:03.54 | russo | im bout to go to bed... |
| 06:03.55 | ugv | anyone here use tcpspy? where are the log files for it? |
| 06:04.04 | HenriqueMour4 | ok... |
| 06:04.10 | jetscreamer | you should be able to connect to the cups page, even if the printer is busy |
| 06:04.16 | HenriqueMour4 | but dont forgot add me |
| 06:04.24 | HenriqueMour4 | now i need restart the machine |
| 06:04.30 | russo | cuz we might have "School" tommorow since its "snowing" well actually it is so im excited about it since we'll get another snow day |
| 06:04.37 | jetscreamer | i don't know much about cups though, so i should stfu |
| 06:04.49 | HenriqueMour4 | cause i'll use another instalation of linux |
| 06:04.59 | russo | i did apt-get install cups E: Package cups has no installation candidate |
| 06:05.04 | HenriqueMour4 | good night! |
| 06:05.05 | russo | and thats wut i got :( |
| 06:05.17 | vonguard | yeah, i can get to the cups page from the server |
| 06:05.25 | vonguard | but not from the target printing client |
| 06:05.31 | russo | wuts best way to install cups |
| 06:05.37 | russo | i forgot that ill need it |
| 06:05.38 | russo | :) |
| 06:05.53 | vonguard | apt-get install cupsys and cupsys-client |
| 06:06.09 | jetscreamer | are you in the appropriate lpadmin group? |
| 06:06.11 | vonguard | i am able to print fine from the deb box |
| 06:06.24 | vonguard | doesn't matter since i'm not even gettign a login screen |
| 06:06.29 | jetscreamer | appropriate meaning on that box.. oh. |
| 06:06.38 | russo | lol |
| 06:06.57 | jetscreamer | yeah i meant from the client |
| 06:06.59 | vonguard | the deb box is behaving fine |
| 06:07.01 | jetscreamer | connecting to the page |
| 06:07.09 | vonguard | my macosx box does not seem to want to talk to it over ipp |
| 06:07.24 | vonguard | still getting the ip is busy error when printing |
| 06:07.55 | jetscreamer | i touched a mac once. mac's are out of my ken. |
| 06:08.10 | russo | thats my dream ill have linux box for using for day to day... a windows box to game on... a mac os box for the hell of it and a windows media box... or just a media box :) |
| 06:08.29 | vonguard | heh, that's exactly what i have |
| 06:08.32 | vonguard | cept my media box is a mac |
| 06:08.43 | vonguard | but my windows 98 gaming machine died tonight |
| 06:08.47 | russo | wow |
| 06:08.50 | russo | how unlucky |
| 06:08.53 | vonguard | was probably owned out the ass |
| 06:08.53 | russo | why win98 |
| 06:08.59 | vonguard | this is why i am trying to print with cups |
| 06:09.01 | russo | i use win2k |
| 06:09.04 | vonguard | cause i can't afford xp |
| 06:09.08 | russo | pfft |
| 06:09.10 | vonguard | don't have that |
| 06:09.11 | russo | cant afford |
| 06:09.13 | vonguard | i have 98. |
| 06:09.17 | russo | lol |
| 06:09.20 | russo | u buy windows |
| 06:09.29 | vonguard | so, this printer is an hp deskjet, and only works on pcs |
| 06:09.31 | russo | i know linux is free but windows can be too :) |
| 06:09.32 | vonguard | heh |
| 06:09.39 | vonguard | yeah yeah yeah, i know |
| 06:09.40 | russo | i have a laserjet |
| 06:09.45 | russo | 1300 |
| 06:09.47 | vonguard | but i don't generally talk about it this loud |
| 06:09.53 | vonguard | well, it's a great printer |
| 06:09.55 | russo | pfft |
| 06:09.57 | vonguard | so's the 1300 |
| 06:10.00 | russo | yeah |
| 06:10.07 | russo | i used to have a 4l |
| 06:10.11 | vonguard | but fuck, i'll be damned if i can get anyone on my net to see it |
| 06:10.16 | russo | its nostalgia now |
| 06:10.46 | vonguard | heh |
| 06:10.52 | vonguard | hp rocks for printers, man |
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| 06:10.59 | vonguard | but this cups thing is irritating me |
| 06:11.12 | vonguard | i was shocked at how easy it was to get the deb machine actually working with it |
| 06:11.21 | vonguard | course there had to be a catch somewhere |
| 06:11.22 | doug | in what frequence does apache rotate the access.logs (by date or entries) and how might i tweak that? doesn't appear to be in the apache conf file... |
| 06:11.50 | russo | where does cups install to |
| 06:11.55 | russo | in the debian menu |
| 06:11.57 | toymachine | whats dpkg's flag to tell you what to add to your sources.list for blackdown |
| 06:11.58 | vonguard | not sure how to tweak, but it does it according to log size, i think |
| 06:11.59 | russo | i want to launch the client |
| 06:12.06 | vonguard | not sure |
| 06:12.08 | vonguard | do a whereis |
| 06:12.16 | vonguard | the http admin screen is the way to go |
| 06:12.25 | vonguard | http://127.0.0.1:631/admin |
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| 06:12.50 | vonguard | rad name |
| 06:12.56 | vonguard | that referencing the paperclip computer? |
| 06:13.06 | russo | what do u mean whereis? |
| 06:13.11 | doug | thanks von |
| 06:13.26 | russo | von, what did you mean by whereis? im new :) |
| 06:13.36 | russo | whereis cups |
| 06:13.39 | vonguard | yes |
| 06:13.40 | russo | ? |
| 06:13.45 | vonguard | type whereis cupsys-client |
| 06:13.49 | russo | ooh |
| 06:13.50 | vonguard | but that's not gonna do much |
| 06:13.51 | russo | thats hot |
| 06:13.59 | vonguard | you got a browser open? |
| 06:14.27 | doug | which freeware access.log analyzer would you fellas recommend other than webalizer? and which does a good job of guessing the geographical locations of visitors? |
| 06:14.47 | vonguard | i don't use em |
| 06:14.52 | vonguard | i got a script a buddy wrote |
| 06:15.08 | vonguard | webalyzer's ok, but i found it to be too bland and wordy. but maybe i didn't use it correctly |
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| 06:15.21 | doug | i need my pdoc to write me a scrip |
| 06:15.26 | doug | downer scripts |
| 06:15.46 | vonguard | there must be some perl scripts on the web to do it |
| 06:16.16 | dondelelcaro | doug: nothing guesses the geographical location of visitors well, unless you have proprietary databases, and even those are wrong. |
| 06:16.17 | doug | vongaurd: do you think webalyzer uses the same kind of technique the visual traceroute programs use? |
| 06:16.26 | vonguard | don't think so |
| 06:16.32 | doug | so TLD breakdowns |
| 06:16.42 | vonguard | when i used webalyzer, it made a big ass html file of the logs |
| 06:16.44 | dondelelcaro | doug: TLD breakdowns are generally totally useeless. |
| 06:16.45 | peterS | vonguard: ask cafuego where he got his IP -> location database |
| 06:16.57 | doug | dondek: that's too bad, i'd pay some cash money for that kind of function and it is within your ability to code it |
| 06:16.58 | vonguard | ok |
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| 06:17.08 | dondelelcaro | doug: about the best thing you can get is whois data, and even that is generally pretty much wrong. |
| 06:17.12 | vonguard | cafuego where did you get yer ip -> Location database? |
| 06:17.13 | doug | i meant dondelecaro |
| 06:17.24 | doug | gotchya |
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| 06:17.52 | dondelelcaro | doug: since where someone injects their packets into the network stream doesn't necessarily equate to their actual physical location. |
| 06:19.09 | vonguard | hoo ah |
| 06:19.16 | vonguard | peterS: what are you talking about? |
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| 06:19.35 | doug | yeah well the routers their behind have locations in their hostnames and i think some can be probed somehow to spit back long/latitudes... xtraceroute can do it with a moderate degree of accuracy maybe 30% of the time |
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| 06:19.41 | doug | their=they're |
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| 06:21.26 | sdogi | that dselect is awsome |
| 06:21.46 | zignig | sdogi: have a look at aptitude then . |
| 06:21.52 | zignig | sdogi: much friendlier. |
| 06:22.10 | dondelelcaro | doug: sometimes, yes. But quite often not. |
| 06:22.18 | sdogi | aptitude, i'll apt-get it a bit later, thanks :) |
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| 06:23.12 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.18 | sdogi | dondelelcaro: totally new to debian package tools, i have used debian before but never installed it really from start |
| 06:24.37 | doug | in manhattan, is $50/month for an unfiltered/throttled static IP with 200KB in and 50KB out (bytes) reasonable? anybody got a better deal than that in manhattan? |
| 06:25.22 | themolester | hello, would anyone know where one could find rs232/db9/serial> rj45 adapters, similar to the console adapters that come with cisco routers/switches? |
| 06:25.42 | sdogi | dondelelcaro: sounds reasonable actually. i'm actually impressed that here in estonia it costs exacly the same |
| 06:25.46 | sdogi | damn |
| 06:25.48 | sdogi | it was to doug |
| 06:25.52 | EvanCarroll | doug: you are probably the ONLY person in manhattan |
| 06:25.53 | themolester | but customizable for standard serial applications, like straight, cross, null etc? |
| 06:25.55 | sdogi | anyway now everything changed |
| 06:25.59 | doug | sdogi: got it |
| 06:26.10 | doug | EvanCarroll: yeah you're probably right |
| 06:26.30 | sdogi | now we get it much cheaper becuase of wifi.. anyway it sounds reasonable |
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| 06:26.41 | peterS | themolester: first off, cross == null |
| 06:26.54 | EvanCarroll | doug: im in houston, there is one other guy from houston here -- i would rather be in manhattan |
| 06:26.56 | doug | debian seems like the most everywhere-but-US user distro |
| 06:27.07 | themolester | my bad, but do you know of somewhere that would sell for the aplications needed |
| 06:27.19 | themolester | atm all i need is cross, but while i order, i could probobly get a few |
| 06:27.29 | themolester | sorry again, null i meant |
| 06:27.29 | themolester | heh |
| 06:27.29 | peterS | doug: maybe. suse is huge in europe, though, for example |
| 06:27.57 | peterS | themolester: I bought my null modem serial cable from ebay for US$0.99 plus a couple dollars shipping |
| 06:28.01 | inc|freaky | can i have 2 kde versions installed at the same time? |
| 06:28.02 | doug | is debian still ranked the highest in marketshare gain rate of all linux distros? |
| 06:28.13 | inc|freaky | one from debian, and the other one compiled by hand? |
| 06:28.25 | EvanCarroll | debian is also big in europe as i understand it, i think fedora just dominates in the states for what ever reason, people seem to like the 'rpm' sequence of letters more than 'deb' |
| 06:28.47 | EvanCarroll | doug: no, see distrowatch.org |
| 06:28.52 | themolester | peterS sorry, you missed the core of my question, i want to carry the nullmodem signal over rj45 similar to rollover on cisco modems |
| 06:28.55 | doug | ok |
| 06:29.11 | themolester | to elliminate the distance limitation of standard serial cables |
| 06:29.26 | themolester | plus i have my home prewired for 2-3 ports of rj-45 in every room |
| 06:29.27 | themolester | :) |
| 06:29.32 | EvanCarroll | doug: it doesn't even touch mandrake, (granted that scale isn't 100% accurate as debian consists more of users and less of kids reading distrowatch) |
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| 06:29.55 | peterS | themolester: I don't think you can eliminate a distance limitation by using rj-45 ports instead of DB-25 or DB-9. the electrical characteristics won't change |
| 06:30.14 | doug | EvanCarroll: well how about of non-commercially marketed distros |
| 06:30.18 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: lol, rude |
| 06:30.35 | doug | yeah he got me there |
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| 06:31.00 | EvanCarroll | sdogi: I don't mean to be rude -- I prefer debian, thats why i sit in this room and none other (still try other distros) |
| 06:31.21 | doug | it was a witty remark |
| 06:31.22 | themolester | petemc you sure? there is if i recall correctly from semester 1 a ~10ft limitation of a rollover cable on routers console cables, which connect to pc via serial adapter |
| 06:31.52 | doug | and relative to what is said in this channel, by no means rude |
| 06:31.52 | themolester | but if you use a straight utp rj-45 instead of the rollover, you can get far greater distances |
| 06:31.54 | sdogi | EvanCarroll: i'll be always using at least one bsd and one linux distro |
| 06:32.10 | EvanCarroll | =] never tried bsd yet.. will someday though |
| 06:32.49 | sdogi | freebsd is like state of the art OS |
| 06:32.56 | EvanCarroll | anyway im going to excercise i got this mail server set up today it was an amazing feat of deep MX voodoo |
| 06:32.57 | doug | maybe you should go with the debian freebsd .. to continue hanging out in this channel |
| 06:33.35 | sdogi | i got enough of slackware at some point |
| 06:33.47 | sdogi | i'm using slackware mostly still though |
| 06:33.53 | peterS | doug: debian freebsd is about as much like freebsd as Mac OS X is |
| 06:34.35 | doug | peterS: then is there any reason to want to use it at all if you're more of a debian person than a freebsd person? |
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| 06:34.59 | peterS | doug: I can't think of a reason *I* would want to use it. but I've never been a BSD person of any sort, so I don't know what my opinion here is worth |
| 06:35.11 | doug | to me, a lot |
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| 06:35.42 | sdogi | i can't explain it but freebsd is like much better network box than any other also openbsd |
| 06:35.48 | doug | you got a high batting average in fielding questions from what i've observed and you're a pleasant guy in general |
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| 06:37.58 | sdogi | it's like i'm having ftp server that's creating very hight cpu usage all the week(people upload and download, locally and remotely), now i simulated the same stuff on freebsd box and it's cpu usage is max 5% |
| 06:38.10 | peterS | heh, thanks. as may be - since I'm not really a BSD fan to begin with, though, I'm not the best judge of whether one would want to use debian+freebsd |
| 06:38.36 | simonrvn | i'd use a debian+freebsd box. even just to try it out |
| 06:39.10 | doug | if you're running a website with not that much bandwidth serving 200-2000KB photos, would lowering the mtu from 1500 be wise if there are many people trying to load large images simultaneously? i'm thinking so they get less latency per request and between packets to keep the images loading at a somewhat steady albeit slower rate .. |
| 06:39.40 | sep | doug: dont mess with mtu unless you'r network config demands it |
| 06:39.46 | deadcat_ | does dhcp3-server has a list of dhcp clients thats currently requested an ip? |
| 06:40.07 | simonrvn | i second sep there. should only modify that if needed |
| 06:40.17 | peterS | deadcat_: /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases |
| 06:40.22 | doug | sep: okay. but if i did, very hypothetically, would i want to do it on the router end or in linux somewhere? |
| 06:40.36 | sep | doug: if you have issues with laggy downloads you should rather look into trafic shaping, or just the apache config |
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| 06:40.45 | nullvoid | I got error saying : Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatefromjpeg() in /usr/share/newmail/plugins/album/index.php on line 596 |
| 06:40.47 | peterS | doug: larger MTU is pretty much always better unless you've got some sort of low-latency requirements, or you are likely to drop a lot of packets |
| 06:40.48 | simonrvn | doug: hint: traffic shaping and iptables |
| 06:40.57 | EvanCarroll | doug: take into account every additional packet requires additional header information - i agree with sep's remarks though |
| 06:41.04 | nullvoid | how do I get imagecreatefromjpeg working in my apache |
| 06:41.06 | deadcat_ | peterS: oh shit. last time i check the file only has comments. |
| 06:41.19 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.24 | doug | ty sep, peters, simon, evan |
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| 06:42.05 | simonrvn | "no comment" |
| 06:42.08 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:42.10 | peterS | simonrvn: |
| 06:42.19 | simonrvn | peterS: " "? |
| 06:42.27 | deadcat_ | now how do i rsync a 4gig file without using scp but i dont have rcp? |
| 06:42.30 | peterS | . |
| 06:42.34 | nullvoid | simonrvn: imagecreatejpeg ? not working on my apache |
| 06:42.43 | simonrvn | no fair, you're using NULLs ;P |
| 06:42.46 | doug | it's been like 20 seconds and your routine is still funny, got some momentum left in it i think fellas |
| 06:42.47 | russo | guys |
| 06:42.55 | russo | where is the actual cups config file? |
| 06:42.58 | russo | i want to nano it |
| 06:43.09 | peterS | simonrvn: nah, that was sign language. it doesn't transfer to a computer too well |
| 06:43.15 | simonrvn | doug: it's on-the-fly. i.e., make it up as we go along ;) |
| 06:43.19 | jm_ | russo: read CUPS docs |
| 06:43.20 | simonrvn | peterS: aaah |
| 06:43.31 | simonrvn | russo: nano-nano |
| 06:43.36 | sep | doug hypotheticaly definitiftly on your server, becouse if you did it on your router, the router would fragment every 1500 packet from your server into 2 smaller packets say 1 1000 and 1 500 depending on your mtu. (ignoring header overhead here) generaly you dont mess with mtu unless you have a link that demand it , |
| 06:43.43 | nullvoid | jm_: imagecreatejpeg ? not working on my apache ; how do I enable this? |
| 06:43.47 | simonrvn | the old farts in the chan will grok that one ;) |
| 06:43.52 | xaero | russo: try looking in the /etc/cups/ directory |
| 06:44.13 | peterS | simonrvn: mork! |
| 06:44.16 | sep | say you want to run vlan over a leased line that only support 1500 or other ip over ip tunnelling solutions |
| 06:44.18 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 06:44.27 | doug | sep: my primary concern actually was dishing out these pics while being able to telnet into the box with decent smoothness |
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| 06:44.34 | jm_ | nullvoid: find package dependencies, make sure the relevant module is enabled in php.ini or somesuch |
| 06:44.35 | xaero | russo: im guessing its the cupsd.conf file, that would make the most sense i think |
| 06:44.57 | sep | doug: if your network is the issue, then trafic shaping is nice. besides never use telnet, use ssh |
| 06:45.01 | nullvoid | jm_: I had installed jpeg library |
| 06:45.38 | doug | but i need the adrenaline from using telnetd |
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| 06:45.54 | jm_ | nullvoid: that's probably not the problem |
| 06:46.19 | nullvoid | I had google around and check php.ini seems no clue |
| 06:46.47 | sep | doug do parachuting or something. telnet is just silly |
| 06:47.06 | doug | sound advice |
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| 06:50.17 | vonguard | any new cups heads in here? |
| 06:50.40 | cronik | hi , anyone know how to test floppy media? im tring to get some images ready to write boot.img |
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| 06:50.57 | vonguard | fsck it |
| 06:51.05 | miyo | cronik: md5sum? |
| 06:51.27 | cronik | vonguard: whats the file system? |
| 06:52.00 | miyo | cronik: get md5sum of the image... and then compare that against md5sum of the floppy... if you are worried that image and floppy do not match that is. |
| 06:52.03 | SNIa | i'm curious if someone here could help me with partimage, i'm trying tu run partimaged but it says it can't find partimag user, when the user is added and if I cat /etc/passwd its in there |
| 06:52.11 | raghu | cronik: is it floppy or drive? |
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| 06:52.17 | raghu | cronik: is it floppy or floppy drive? |
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| 06:53.04 | silasb | hello all, I have had a strange issue pop up recently... |
| 06:53.11 | vonguard | uh |
| 06:53.12 | vonguard | xfs |
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| 06:53.45 | inc|freaky | im compiling kde3.4 rc1 :D |
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| 06:53.59 | silasb | After doing an dist-upgrade (sarge) Some keys are not maping correctly under (Only under X). |
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| 06:54.57 | AlexW | is it possible to make an internal mirror for debian 30r4 |
| 06:54.58 | silasb | typing double quotes gives nothing, typing double quotes twice gives ¨, typing double quotes then a space gives " the double quotes... |
| 06:55.04 | AlexW | then use the net inst cd |
| 06:55.21 | cafuego | A small 'A' is for decreasing fojnt size, a big 'A' for increasing font size. What is a nice littlke sign for setting a default font size? |
| 06:55.50 | silasb | same thing with the apostrophe. Once nothing, twice ´, once then spacebar '... |
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| 06:58.17 | maher | AlexW: do you want to install debian and then run a mirror? |
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| 06:58.54 | ArtVandalae | AlexW, do you want to mirror everything, or just certain packages for certain architectures? |
| 07:00.41 | ArtVandalae | AlexW, I'm not sure about your intentions, but have a look at apt-proxy, might be what you're looking for |
| 07:00.56 | cronik | raghu: it is a floppy |
| 07:01.31 | cronik | debhelper: apache |
| 07:02.04 | cronik | miyo: hey , i tried md5sum /dev/fd0 and got input output error |
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| 07:03.48 | raghu | raghu: then just mount and check ...weather you can copy and see copied contents |
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| 07:05.17 | miyo | cronik: You tried as sudo? |
| 07:05.21 | raghu | cronik: then just mount and check ...weather you can copy and see copied contents |
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| 07:05.32 | miyo | cronik: Root or any other means of superuser... |
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| 07:08.50 | sep | AlexW: apt-proxy caches while you upgrade great for many identical updates. apt-mirror/debmirror can create a mirror of a repository for you, great for local mirrors if you dont have broadband,(portable mirror) or netinstalls that are not internet connected. |
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| 07:09.16 | cafuego | sheesh, damn gentoo trolls |
| 07:09.24 | zignig | AlexW: I use apt-cacher instead of apt-proxy , it's much faster ( for me anyway ) |
| 07:09.55 | zignig | sep: apt-proxy = 30/kb/s apt-cacher = 10 base t maxed out. |
| 07:10.19 | cronik | miyo: looks like badblocks can check the media , thanks |
| 07:10.42 | sep | zignig: i dont have broadband at home i use apt-mirror on a usb2 harddrive |
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| 07:11.29 | miyo | cronik: If you get I/O error(s) with md5sum, I would blame that the floppy is broken. |
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| 07:12.03 | jm_ | either that or you tried to read the last block beyond the end of the device |
| 07:12.13 | zignig | sep: I have three deb machines at home so it saves on downloading everything 3 times ;) |
| 07:12.24 | slicedmeat | im using sarge can i get back to the original network configuration from the install? i now have a connection |
| 07:13.36 | jm_ | slicedmeat: you can re-run base-config, or just edit the config file by hand |
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| 07:15.08 | Chest | guys how do I make debian automagically configure postfix and cyrus to work together? |
| 07:15.34 | slicedmeat | the base-config just shows configure and enable ppp where would i go for dhcp? |
| 07:16.06 | miyo | Chest: I would claim that you can't do that. |
| 07:16.16 | miyo | Chest: It will require manual tweaking of configs. |
| 07:16.35 | Chest | miyo: do you know cyrus? |
| 07:16.40 | jm_ | maybe it doesn't ask for DHCP if you say you want PPP, not sure - edit it by hand, it's trivial |
| 07:16.40 | maher | slicedmeat: try using etherconf |
| 07:16.49 | miyo | Chest: Sure, I run it in few places. |
| 07:16.53 | miyo | Chest: As well as Postfix. |
| 07:17.24 | Chest | miyo: i have postfix set up okay, but if I try to set cyrus as my mail_transport, it keeps claiming the mailbox doesn't exist |
| 07:17.31 | slicedmeat | maher can't find that with locate even after i update db |
| 07:17.34 | Chest | miyo: although i can log in through thunderbird |
| 07:17.36 | slicedmeat | jm_ i don't know how |
| 07:17.41 | Chest | miyo: and check the account |
| 07:17.52 | jm_ | slicedmeat: man interfaces ; read docs in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown or use etherconf |
| 07:18.05 | slicedmeat | there is no etherconf... |
| 07:18.06 | maher | slicedmeat: its a pcakage - install it |
| 07:18.15 | slicedmeat | i can't install it till i get the net heh |
| 07:18.23 | jm_ | you're on the net now |
| 07:18.33 | maher | slicedmeat: do you have a cd? it will be on cd1 |
| 07:18.39 | slicedmeat | its the other box that needs it |
| 07:18.47 | miyo | Chest: And what do you get in logs? |
| 07:18.51 | jm_ | so download it here and install it on the other box |
| 07:18.54 | slicedmeat | ok maher thanks |
| 07:19.07 | maher | slicedmeat: it should also fit on a floppy |
| 07:19.25 | Chest | miyo: Mar 1 01:56:28 localhost postfix/pipe[4596]: 50C4224CE0: to=<test@33ina3rd.com>, relay=cyrus, delay=0, status=bounced (user unknown. Command output: test: Mailbox does not exist _ ) |
| 07:19.29 | Chest | that mostly |
| 07:19.44 | Chest | but the user does exist |
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| 07:20.03 | miyo | Chest: ... does not _ ) ? |
| 07:20.07 | miyo | Chest: What is that _ ? |
| 07:20.12 | Chest | ummmmm |
| 07:20.21 | Chest | i dont know? |
| 07:20.26 | Chest | that isn't normal? |
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| 07:20.54 | miyo | Chest: I am no guru, but it surely does not look like normal to me. |
| 07:21.00 | Chest | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.39 | jesse | I have a server with Debian woody that was installed for me by the provider... One thing that I just noticed is home directories are readable by anyone.. I seem to remember installing woody in the past it asked you a question if you wanted them public or prviate... How do I go about changing this (bassically that debian setup script.. what exactly did it do to set this) ??? |
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| 07:22.38 | jesse | hey bishop. |
| 07:22.51 | bishop | Hello! |
| 07:22.57 | jesse | How's things going? |
| 07:23.03 | miyo | Chest: I use this: 'flags=R user=cyrus argv=/usr/sbin/cyrdeliver -e -m ${extension} ${user}' machine having that is running Debian Sarge (Postfix 2.1.5-6, Cyrus 2.1.17-3) |
| 07:23.07 | bishop | Pretty good! |
| 07:23.10 | bishop | You? |
| 07:23.26 | miyo | Chest: "The Cyrus deliver program has changed incompatibly, multiple times." |
| 07:23.26 | jesse | Good good.. just trying to figure out how you change in debian if home directories are public or private when u add new users.. |
| 07:23.32 | spoof | hi, i'm using 2 offical repositaries of debian and it's has packages with similar names .How I can del "records" of packages(Óoncerning to one of this repositaries) from apt "database" ? |
| 07:23.35 | jesse | I remember that the debian setup asked you this quesiton.... any idea what it exactly does? |
| 07:23.36 | Chest | okay. i'll try that |
| 07:23.59 | Chest | miyo: cyrus unix - n n - - pipe is that the same? |
| 07:24.04 | bishop | Which release are you using? |
| 07:24.07 | jesse | woody |
| 07:24.08 | silasb | jesse: I think you need root priviledges for that "chown -R user:usersgroup ~/" |
| 07:24.20 | silasb | jesse: Talk with your provider! |
| 07:24.24 | jesse | silasb, I know.. But how do i change it so i add NEW users that it sets it up from the start as private. |
| 07:24.34 | miyo | Chest: That is the same. |
| 07:24.36 | jesse | silasb, Its an unmanged server.. They install debian. Then its my job from there out. |
| 07:24.42 | jesse | silasb, I have root. |
| 07:24.54 | silasb | AHHH k. |
| 07:25.00 | bishop | Jesse, let me boot up my machine. |
| 07:25.05 | bishop | It's been a while ... |
| 07:25.19 | bob2 | hm |
| 07:25.25 | jesse | Yeah.. I remember it asks you in the setup.. but i have no idea when you add a new user..what it goes off of as far as setting permissions. |
| 07:25.33 | bob2 | I wonder how long it'll take to setup a new smtp/dns/imap server |
| 07:25.34 | maher | jesse: adduser.conf |
| 07:25.38 | jm_ | jesse: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 07:25.46 | miyo | bob2: Depends on requirements. |
| 07:25.59 | silasb | jesse: try editing /etc/adduser.conf |
| 07:26.00 | bishop | jesse, jm_ is right. |
| 07:26.27 | bob2 | miyo: hah, indeed |
| 07:26.30 | jesse | silasb, jm_ , bishop.. thank you... that worked :) |
| 07:26.37 | jesse | I knew it was something simple... |
| 07:26.44 | bishop | jesse, you are welcome. |
| 07:26.47 | miyo | bob2: postfix + dovecot + dnsmasq... it does not take long. |
| 07:26.57 | miyo | bob2: Though that might not be suitable combination for your case. |
| 07:26.58 | jesse | My next quesiton... Know of any good packages that will monitor.. like md5s of your binaries and tell you if they changed ( to watch for rootkits and the like) ? |
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| 07:27.16 | miyo | jesse: 'apt-cache show chkrootkit' |
| 07:27.18 | jm_ | jesse: apt-cache search integrity check |
| 07:27.19 | miyo | jesse: apt-cache show aide' |
| 07:27.23 | AlexW | i want to be able to make a personal mirror on this computer |
| 07:27.28 | AlexW | then do a netisnt on the other one |
| 07:27.33 | AlexW | so i only have to burn 1 cd |
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| 07:27.46 | jesse | I'll take a look at those thanks. |
| 07:27.53 | bob2 | miyo: bind9 in this case |
| 07:27.56 | miyo | jesse: 'apt-cache show tiger' |
| 07:28.00 | maher | AlexW: you could use the saem cd twice |
| 07:28.03 | miyo | bob2: Then it takes a bit longer =) |
| 07:28.18 | slicedmeat | would apt-get upgrade damage anything if i was using sarge? |
| 07:28.21 | silasb | Has anyone ever experience weirdness with quotes ¨ " ´ ' in sarge? |
| 07:28.31 | bob2 | slicedmeat: could introduce new bugs |
| 07:28.34 | AlexW | lol |
| 07:28.40 | AlexW | i dont have cdrw's |
| 07:28.40 | jesse | i have learnt my lesson..even with linux you have to be careful about viruses.. when I first setup the server I downloaded jhead from some website... turns out it was infected with a virus.. like 7 months later it got executed by root one way or another.. next thing I know all my commands are broke and an attacker is on the system taking my access away.. |
| 07:28.45 | slicedmeat | thats ok |
| 07:28.46 | jesse | It was the linux.osf.2729 or something virus. |
| 07:28.54 | slicedmeat | i meant its not gonna try to get woody stuff is it? |
| 07:29.04 | bob2 | slicedmeat: of course not... |
| 07:29.08 | slicedmeat | good |
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| 07:29.23 | Chest | miyo: holy crap 2 hours later andit works. thanks man |
| 07:29.56 | miyo | Chest: I just had my configurations reachable so I was able to check how I did it few years back =) |
| 07:30.12 | Chest | your a savior |
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| 07:30.37 | miyo | jesse: Use root for only tasks you need him for. |
| 07:30.47 | slicedmeat | i selected postgres and mta to be installed during the install can i uninstall them now? i really have no use for them |
| 07:30.52 | miyo | jesse: If possible use sudo to perform most of those tasks. |
| 07:31.03 | bishop | jesse, sudo is your friend. |
| 07:31.08 | jesse | miyo, Yeah.. I'm not even sure how it happend.. but thats about all i can come up with from looking hte logs now that the system is mine again.. and not the attackers. |
| 07:31.11 | miyo | slicedmeat: Surely you can remove postgres... |
| 07:31.19 | miyo | slicedmeat: I think removing MTA might be a bit more tricky. |
| 07:31.29 | jesse | either of you know of a decent firewall setup .. thats scripted and easy to work with.. that maybe uses iptables? |
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| 07:31.46 | miyo | jesse: I hope you reinstalled the whole box. |
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| 07:31.58 | jesse | miyo, Yes.. I had them reload it and put a new hard drive in it.. and slave hte old one |
| 07:32.01 | jesse | So I could recover data. |
| 07:32.02 | miyo | jesse: 'apt-cache show uif' |
| 07:32.09 | maher | jesse: personal firewalls are useless |
| 07:32.25 | slicedmeat | miyo how could i get rid of postgres then? |
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| 07:32.34 | bishop | jesse, learn to set up the rules. |
| 07:32.40 | maher | slicedmeat: use aptitiude |
| 07:32.49 | jesse | bishop, yeah . I really should. |
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| 07:32.52 | jesse | korrupt:/home# apt-cache show uif |
| 07:32.52 | jesse | W: Unable to locate package uif |
| 07:33.00 | codin | can I authentificare myself to an openssh server using a ssh client, using a private - public key ? |
| 07:33.18 | miyo | slicedmeat: 'apt-get remove --purge postgresql' ? |
| 07:33.25 | miyo | jesse: You are running Woody? |
| 07:33.29 | silasb | brb |
| 07:33.32 | maher | codin: yes - use ssh-keygen to make one |
| 07:33.48 | jesse | miyo, Yes. |
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| 07:34.00 | codin | maher, the keys are different in format |
| 07:34.02 | miyo | jesse: Oh, that might not exists there. |
| 07:34.21 | maher | codin: you can specify what format |
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| 07:34.33 | miyo | jesse: uif, fiaif, firehol, lokkit |
| 07:34.43 | miyo | jesse: Not sure which of them exist in Woody. |
| 07:34.45 | miyo | jesse: Try your luck. |
| 07:34.47 | codin | maher, I am talking about ssh and openssh .... |
| 07:34.57 | jesse | miyo, Alright.. Thanks :) |
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| 07:35.08 | maher | codin: do you mean the proprietary version? |
| 07:35.13 | codin | yes |
| 07:35.31 | maher | codin: ok - i don't know anything about that |
| 07:35.37 | codin | :) |
| 07:35.43 | codin | thx anyway |
| 07:36.54 | jesse | ..I've taken a likeing to gnome2 lately.. that's scary. |
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| 07:37.48 | miyo | jesse: It might be cute... but doesn't beat IceWM in speed *grin* |
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| 07:38.06 | jesse | miyo, No.. Prob. not.. infact I had to get more memory for it to run worth a shit. |
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| 07:38.20 | jesse | miyo, I really don't like the sound server though... It does weird crap all the time comparied to aRts |
| 07:38.33 | miyo | jesse: 528k: /usr/bin/icewm 20049 |
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| 07:39.05 | miyo | jesse: Oh, well... icewmbg uses another 124k |
| 07:39.20 | jesse | miyo, haha.. I'd hate to even see what gnome2 is using. |
| 07:39.21 | miyo | jesse: Still a bit less that what gnome uses *grin* |
| 07:39.32 | jesse | miyo, all i know is 300 something meg of memory wasnt enough.. i had to go to 700 something. |
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| 07:39.55 | jesse | the fact that this is a celeron though only makes things worse. |
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| 07:40.10 | miyo | jesse: Memory is more important than CPU. |
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| 07:41.20 | jesse | miyo, Yes.. very true. |
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| 07:41.47 | reamtS | How to format a hard drive under linux? |
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| 07:42.04 | jesse | reamtS, What are you trying to do exactly/ |
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| 07:42.04 | miyo | reamtS: What do you mean by formatting? |
| 07:42.17 | jesse | reamtS, I can tell you how to write zeros :) but that isnt going to do much for you. |
| 07:42.27 | Biovore | lol |
| 07:42.35 | jesse | Biovore, I have a very funny store about that. |
| 07:42.41 | reamtS | Formating a floppy uses, fdformat, what about hard drives? |
| 07:42.44 | jesse | story* |
| 07:42.54 | jesse | reamtS, What filesystem do you want it to be? |
| 07:43.04 | reamtS | jesse: ext3 |
| 07:43.44 | directhex | mkfs.ext3 /dev/foo |
| 07:43.48 | jesse | reamtS, do ... mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever |
| 07:44.03 | reamtS | thx y'all =) |
| 07:44.07 | maher | reamtS: do you want a partition table on this hd? |
| 07:44.16 | Biovore | (note you have to partion the drive ) |
| 07:44.16 | reamtS | nope |
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| 07:44.29 | jesse | Biovore, I had a friend..that knows quite a bit about Linux and asked me a question one night.. as a joke I responed with dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 |
| 07:44.40 | Biovore | hehe |
| 07:44.45 | jesse | apperantly he was zoned out and really tired.. and just copy and pasted what I said instead of paying attention |
| 07:44.48 | Biovore | I like /dev/urandom |
| 07:44.50 | Biovore | :-) |
| 07:44.53 | jesse | It takes.. about less then half a second to kill your system when you do that. |
| 07:44.54 | maher | jesse: i assume had a friend is past tense there |
| 07:45.05 | jesse | maher, He is still a bit upset.. It's been two weeks. |
| 07:45.07 | directhex | i need to do my /dev/badger kernel module |
| 07:45.13 | Biovore | I did that one day to a box.. it was fun.. :-) |
| 07:45.14 | jesse | maher, I recovered his files though.. which made him less upset. |
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| 07:45.45 | Biovore | how you do a recovery from that? |
| 07:45.51 | miyo | jesse: It would not kill my system. |
| 07:46.02 | miyo | jesse: No hda, only sda |
| 07:46.03 | jesse | Biovore, I used Easy Recovery Professional or whatever by Ontrack |
| 07:46.04 | miyo | jesse: :P |
| 07:46.14 | Biovore | ok.. |
| 07:46.16 | jesse | Biovore, Of course I have a legit and legal license to that software package :) |
| 07:46.26 | slicedmeat | is ther ean apt-get for irssi? |
| 07:46.28 | Biovore | of course.. :-) |
| 07:46.34 | miyo | slicedmeat: irssi-text |
| 07:46.49 | miyo | slicedmeat: That is the package you want to apt-get. |
| 07:46.58 | slicedmeat | thanks |
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| 07:47.09 | jesse | ahh |
| 07:47.13 | jesse | cat /dev/urandom is fun. |
| 07:47.24 | jesse | my console is now random characters..everything I type. |
| 07:47.40 | directhex | type 'reset' |
| 07:47.46 | jesse | ?????@??????:·$ ?? |
| 07:47.53 | jesse | ah..that fixed it |
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| 07:49.11 | jesse | How do you pipe something into a text file? |
| 07:49.41 | peterS | jesse: > |
| 07:50.07 | peterS | jesse: or >> if you want to append rather than overwrite the whole file |
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| 07:50.50 | jesse | I am easily entertained sometimes |
| 07:50.55 | jesse | watching a text file fill up with random crap. |
| 07:51.15 | Biovore | I see in sarge they took out sl |
| 07:51.28 | roel- | jesse: how is that different from watching irc? |
| 07:51.32 | alus | jesse: that's irc for you |
| 07:51.36 | roel- | alus :D |
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| 07:51.45 | roel- | GMTA |
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| 07:52.33 | jesse | hmm about 2 meg a second..... |
| 07:52.43 | jm_ | Biovore: as in package sl? no they haven't |
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| 07:53.50 | jesse | hmm /dev/zero is about 100 times faster then /dev/urandom |
| 07:54.06 | jesse | debian:/home/jesse# cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 07:56.22 | jesse | I am much more impressed with the way Linux and Gnome handle running out of hard drive space vs Windows. |
| 07:56.25 | jesse | It's not even noticeable |
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| 07:57.08 | asuffield | it is when your mail starts bouncing, if it's /var that's filled up |
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| 07:57.30 | jesse | asuffield, I am doing htis on a workstation.. Not a server. |
| 07:57.39 | cronik | hi , our debian installer isnt picking up the hdd - help - |
| 07:57.40 | jesse | I'm not as stupid as I sound. |
| 07:57.41 | asuffield | every unix host can receive mail |
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| 07:57.52 | jesse | croepha_, Is it a IDE hard drive? |
| 07:57.59 | cronik | yea |
| 07:58.07 | ugexe | i am trying to set my base and treble levels. im not seeing the optins in alsamixer though.. is it somewhere else |
| 07:58.12 | cronik | jesse yea |
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| 07:58.28 | jesse | cronik, hmm.. alright.. the installer isnt showing the hard drive at all? |
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| 07:59.04 | cronik | jesse no partitionable media found and dmesg doesnt show anything either |
| 07:59.34 | jesse | cronik, any idea what ide controller you are using? |
| 07:59.38 | jesse | cronik, what chipset it is? |
| 07:59.48 | cronik | jesse via kt333 |
| 07:59.54 | miyo | jesse: dd if=/dev/zero | cpipe -vt -b 1024 > /dev/null |
| 08:00.20 | jesse | miyo, wtf is that going to do? |
| 08:00.21 | jesse | cronik, that is very odd.. which installer are you using? |
| 08:00.21 | miyo | jesse: You first need cpipe installed. |
| 08:00.31 | miyo | jesse: "cpipe - copy stdin to stdout while counting bytes and reporting progress" |
| 08:01.07 | cronik | jesse ftp://linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz/dist/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/20040801/images/floppy/ |
| 08:01.33 | jesse | cronik, i have no idea man. |
| 08:01.41 | jesse | miyo, hold on.. something is really broke with my apt.. |
| 08:01.56 | jesse | miyo, oh nevermind.. the debian mirror was just unreachable for a few seconds.. |
| 08:02.13 | jesse | cronik, let me do some looking for you one sec. |
| 08:02.21 | slicedmeat | i've got the default gui login thing from installing with desktop settings how can i add another window manager to it? |
| 08:02.39 | miyo | cronik: What disk is it? ide? scsi? sata? |
| 08:02.55 | Empty | Do the latest plugins (stable) off SF spit out perfdata? |
| 08:02.56 | cronik | miyo ide |
| 08:03.06 | Empty | gah |
| 08:03.10 | Empty | wrong damn channel |
| 08:03.23 | Empty | I blame the 1 hour of the last 48 that I have slept |
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| 08:04.16 | jesse | cronik, I seen something on google... But it was in spanish |
| 08:04.32 | jesse | cronik, from 2002.. someone said in spanish it wasnt working..and someone else responded that they patched hte problem... |
| 08:04.39 | jesse | cronik, but it was from 2002.. so i'm a bit thrown off. |
| 08:04.51 | miyo | cronik: And what installer are you using? |
| 08:05.02 | miyo | cronik: Woody? Sarge? |
| 08:05.17 | cronik | miyo sarge |
| 08:05.31 | slicedmeat | i've got the default gui login thing from installing with desktop settings how can i add another window manager to it? |
| 08:05.54 | miyo | cronik: netinst? floppies? cd? |
| 08:05.57 | jesse | slicedmeat, What manager do you want? |
| 08:06.05 | cronik | miyo floppies |
| 08:06.05 | slicedmeat | waimea |
| 08:06.09 | slicedmeat | or fluxbox |
| 08:06.17 | jesse | cronik, I'd try the daily updated netinstall one.. tha tmight do it. |
| 08:06.24 | miyo | cronik: Why don't you get the netinst cd. |
| 08:06.27 | miyo | cronik: Latest one. |
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| 08:06.33 | jesse | slicedmeat, apt-get install waimea fluxbox |
| 08:06.45 | slicedmeat | yea its installed |
| 08:06.49 | slicedmeat | do they get auto-added to the gui login thing? |
| 08:06.58 | jesse | slicedmeat, what login manager are you using? |
| 08:07.00 | cronik | miyo floppies are a small d/l |
| 08:07.12 | slicedmeat | the one that comes default when you install with the desktop option |
| 08:07.20 | miyo | cronik: True, I would still get netinst cd. |
| 08:07.29 | jesse | cronik, It might not have the support you are looking for though? |
| 08:07.34 | miyo | cronik: I think it is ~150M |
| 08:07.37 | jesse | slicedmeat, is it xdm? |
| 08:07.52 | jesse | cronik, the businesscard one might even work for you.. its like what.. 30 meg? |
| 08:08.04 | slicedmeat | locate xdm returns nothing so i don't think so |
| 08:08.11 | slicedmeat | i have no idea what its called though hehe |
| 08:08.15 | miyo | slicedmeat: ps -ef | grep -i dm |
| 08:08.25 | cronik | jesse mijo isnt the floppy install the same kernel?? |
| 08:08.31 | jesse | miyo, ..I would have never of thought looking that way. |
| 08:08.35 | jesse | cronik, Maybe.. maybe not? |
| 08:08.41 | jesse | cronik, we are just giving you ideas. |
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| 08:08.52 | jesse | cronik, If you get the netinstall I beleive you can start it with linux26 which will give you the 2.6 kernel |
| 08:08.53 | miyo | cronik: netinst works/worked for me... have not tried with floppies. |
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| 08:08.58 | jesse | cronik, Which might support more drivers. |
| 08:09.02 | jesse | err more hardware |
| 08:09.18 | cronik | jesse mijo dont all kernels have support for ide hdds? |
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| 08:09.30 | jesse | cronik, It varies per chipset. |
| 08:09.51 | jesse | cronik, unfortunently .. There is more then one chipset in this world. |
| 08:10.04 | slicedmeat | it says gdm |
| 08:10.07 | cronik | jesse the via kt333 is a pretty common chipset |
| 08:10.14 | jesse | cronik, yeah. i know. |
| 08:10.43 | miyo | cronik: You don't have to trie the netinst cd. |
| 08:10.49 | miyo | cronik: You can leave the system uninstalled =) |
| 08:10.57 | jesse | miyo, That is a very good point. |
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| 08:11.14 | slicedmeat | it returned gdm |
| 08:11.21 | jesse | cronik, Take our advice with a grain of salt.. We don';t know what we are talking about.. But I guess you do. and that's why you are asking us :) |
| 08:11.29 | miyo | cronik: Or you need to wait for hero to emerge, one that is able to help you. |
| 08:11.33 | jesse | slicedmeat, hmm.. I've never had it now just add it to hte login manager.. |
| 08:11.38 | cromd | greetings all, could anyone suggest the right channel to chat about finding modules for my network card? |
| 08:11.46 | jesse | cromd, What network card? |
| 08:11.51 | miyo | cronik: What is your network card? |
| 08:11.57 | miyo | slicedmeat: So you are running gdm. |
| 08:12.08 | miyo | slicedmeat: /etc/gdm/ |
| 08:12.08 | slicedmeat | i guess so |
| 08:12.14 | slicedmeat | thanks |
| 08:12.27 | miyo | slicedmeat: It has Sessions/ |
| 08:12.29 | cronik | miyo davicom tulip |
| 08:12.36 | cromd | its a realtek rtl-8139(rev 10) according to lspci, jesse |
| 08:12.46 | jesse | cromd, Alright then you just want the .. |
| 08:12.48 | jesse | cromd, one sec.. |
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| 08:13.02 | cromd | the 3139too module, i know, but i'm blazed if i know how to get it |
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| 08:13.16 | jesse | cromd, it should be 8139too |
| 08:13.21 | TheRob | hi |
| 08:13.29 | jesse | cromd, Are you using debian? |
| 08:13.30 | cromd | jesse, there's heaps of advice out there saying to "just install it" ... but none i've found about where to get it |
| 08:13.38 | cromd | JESSE?! |
| 08:13.40 | cronik | mijo jesse cheers for the help ill try your advice :) |
| 08:13.48 | jesse | yes.. jesse...? |
| 08:13.50 | cromd | what other operating system is there jesse? :) |
| 08:13.56 | MobyTurbo | cromd: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 08:13.59 | jesse | Windows. |
| 08:14.02 | jesse | Its by far more secure. |
| 08:14.06 | slicedmeat | they were both in Sessions/ but only fluxbox showed up |
| 08:14.08 | jesse | I use Linux when I want to get hacked. |
| 08:14.14 | cromd | LOL |
| 08:14.16 | cromd | ROFLOL |
| 08:14.16 | jesse | Microsoft told me so.. with their Get the Facts advertisements. |
| 08:14.26 | cromd | i think i'm about to have an accident! |
| 08:14.45 | jesse | cromd, hahahahha.... Alright... What are you using woody? sarge? sid? |
| 08:14.47 | TheRob | i am looking for a wifi USB key debian compliant for an ibook G4, anybody know one like that ? |
| 08:14.51 | miyo | cromd: find /lib/modules -iname "*8139*" |
| 08:14.51 | cromd | oh well ... just goes to prove how wrong you can be jesse, better upgrade to doze then :) |
| 08:15.05 | cromd | woody jesse |
| 08:15.14 | jesse | cromd, Have you just tried typing modprobe 8139too ? |
| 08:15.15 | cromd | miyo, thanks for that, but i don't have it |
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| 08:15.19 | miyo | cromd: /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686-smp/kernel/drivers/net/8139too.o |
| 08:15.22 | cromd | i'll try that now |
| 08:15.28 | miyo | cromd: So you might want to have latest 2.4 kernel installed. |
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| 08:15.46 | miyo | cromd: Are you running installation kernel or have you installed true kernel? |
| 08:15.48 | MobyTurbo | cromd: sorry, I was confusing you with someone else |
| 08:16.19 | cromd | is fine MobyTurbo, although i was trying to work out what you meant :) |
| 08:16.21 | wegi | can anyone please tell me what it means for my hdd if smartctl -l selftest shows this: |
| 08:16.24 | wegi | Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error |
| 08:16.27 | wegi | # 1 Extended offline Completed: read failure 40% 1511 9700287 |
| 08:16.30 | wegi | # 2 Short offline Completed: read failure 60% 1510 9700287 |
| 08:16.33 | cromd | done the full network install miyo |
| 08:16.45 | cromd | jess, modprobe didn't yield a modular-sausage |
| 08:16.55 | jesse | cromd, Alright .. What kernel do you have.... |
| 08:16.56 | miyo | cromd: But you have not installed true kernel after that... you are still running that installation kernel, right? |
| 08:17.04 | jesse | cromd, You prob. had 2.2 .. do this |
| 08:17.06 | cromd | how do i find out jesse? |
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| 08:17.23 | jesse | cromd, What processor do you have? |
| 08:17.24 | cromd | no changes to kernel, that's right miyo |
| 08:17.55 | cromd | same as for kernel version, also for processor, jesse ... how do i find out? |
| 08:17.55 | jesse | cromd, Pentium... Amd? |
| 08:18.02 | jesse | cromd, The processor in your computer..? |
| 08:18.05 | miyo | cromd: Well, you want to install true 2.4-series kernel |
| 08:18.11 | cromd | it's probably a low end pentim jesse, say a II |
| 08:18.15 | jesse | cromd, Alrighht do this |
| 08:18.18 | miyo | cromd: kernel that comes with installation does not contain everything. |
| 08:18.27 | jesse | cromd, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 |
| 08:18.37 | jesse | actually |
| 08:18.42 | miyo | cromd: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' for finding cpu information. |
| 08:18.46 | cromd | allright, but wait a minute, how do i find out what kernel i'm riding now? |
| 08:18.53 | jesse | cromd, Well... You could do.. |
| 08:18.59 | MobyTurbo | cromd: uname -r |
| 08:19.09 | jesse | cromd, yeah. do that.. |
| 08:19.14 | jesse | cromd, uname -r |
| 08:19.18 | miyo | cromd: You can also check what kernels you have installed: ls /boot/ |
| 08:19.32 | cromd | i'm using 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 08:19.58 | jesse | cromd, hmm...Try apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 |
| 08:20.06 | jesse | cromd, Are you using grub or lilo? |
| 08:20.09 | cromd | the bf2.4 no good? |
| 08:20.11 | cromd | lilo |
| 08:20.15 | jesse | cromd, Because I've never had the apt-get NOT break my lilo... |
| 08:20.19 | cromd | LOL |
| 08:20.20 | jesse | miyo, You ever have that problem? |
| 08:20.34 | miyo | jesse: I have been using GRUB for many years. |
| 08:20.36 | jesse | I've never had a problem wit hgrub.. but that damn thign on woody would break my lilo every time. |
| 08:20.44 | idnar | jesse: whenever your kernel changes, you need to rerun lilo |
| 08:20.46 | jesse | cromd, Are you familar with how to setup lilo? |
| 08:20.51 | jesse | idnar, Yeah.. even so |
| 08:20.54 | jesse | idnar, It would change my config. |
| 08:21.00 | cromd | well, the computer is not a problem, it gets gutted regularly ... it's the (currently) useless network card i'm concerned about |
| 08:21.20 | cromd | i've used a walk-through vaguely successfully (lilo) jesse |
| 08:21.21 | miyo | idnar: With Woody that does not necessarily help, you need to add the initrd-line to lile config-file. |
| 08:21.47 | idnar | miyo: ah. (I've never used a kernel with initrd) |
| 08:21.47 | jesse | miyo, yeah.. every time i've let debian touch my lilo config. I'd have hell to pay.. |
| 08:21.54 | Coke | cromd: you should use grub though |
| 08:22.01 | cromd | well, this box will have a new identity next weekend anyway, it's a kind of test-box, i'm happy enough to kill it |
| 08:22.10 | jesse | cromd, basically you need to just install that kernel |
| 08:22.13 | Coke | cromd: grub has better configuration options and has a usable boot prompt |
| 08:22.27 | jesse | cromd, I am not going to be responsible if it kills your lilo though.. and I'm not exactly sure the exact instructoions to fix what it does... So you can give it a run if you want. |
| 08:22.31 | MobyTurbo | cromd: if you kill the bootloader then any kernel changes you make won't help, so its important that you get the bootloader right. |
| 08:22.31 | cromd | allright jesse, in that case, when i'm doing installs, should i not use a bf2.4 image? |
| 08:22.42 | jesse | cromd, well the 2.2 isn't any better. |
| 08:22.43 | miyo | cromd: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 08:22.50 | jesse | cromd, May i ask you what you are using the box for? |
| 08:23.04 | miyo | cromd: Should show you what kernels are available for installation at the moment. |
| 08:23.22 | jesse | cromd, If you aren't using it as a server.. do yourself a favor and download the sarge installer |
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| 08:23.35 | cromd | anything i don't want to really do to the important boxes ... like now, i want to set up a dhcp/dns server to simulate a "client"'s scenario |
| 08:23.38 | jesse | cromd, installer sarge (testing) instead of woody.. your network card will work out of box and you will be better off with newer software. |
| 08:23.49 | cromd | sarge?! <whimper> |
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| 08:23.59 | miyo | jesse: Not good for production environments. |
| 08:24.04 | jesse | miyo, never said it was. |
| 08:24.05 | miyo | jesse: Especially for servers. |
| 08:24.06 | cromd | i've never crawled out of the "stable" square before :) |
| 08:24.21 | jesse | cromd, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 |
| 08:24.32 | cromd | all-right, allright allready! :) |
| 08:24.34 | miyo | jesse: You know 'unstable' has latest software, and 'stable' gets the security fixes |
| 08:24.41 | miyo | jesse: 'testing' is somewhere in the middle of that. |
| 08:24.44 | jesse | miyo, very aware. |
| 08:24.47 | cromd | i'll do the kernel thing |
| 08:25.05 | jesse | miyo, unstable breaks itself.. testing works decent.. but securtity fixes arent so quick.. stable is old as shit and gets security fixes :) |
| 08:25.09 | cromd | and that kernel has all the lovely modules built-in? |
| 08:25.16 | jesse | cromd, It should ;x |
| 08:25.19 | miyo | jesse: Unstable has broken very rarely on me. |
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| 08:25.32 | miyo | jesse: I have been running it few years at home as well as work. |
| 08:25.37 | jesse | miyo, haha. I know.. Just wanted to start something |
| 08:25.39 | cromd | allright, can i do the kernel thing "on-the-fly"? |
| 08:25.49 | jesse | cromd, on the fly? |
| 08:26.04 | MobyTurbo | cromd: unlike just about everything in Linux, a kernel upgrade requires a reboot |
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| 08:26.15 | cromd | this is going to sound so windows ... i mean can i cary on carrying on? |
| 08:26.17 | jesse | cromd, yeah if thats what you mean.. you will need to reboot. |
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| 08:26.26 | cromd | so be it |
| 08:26.38 | jesse | cromd, Hopefully it comes back alive... Like i said. it scares me as far as lilo editing. |
| 08:26.48 | jesse | cromd, and if it breaks.. Its fixable but will be a POS. |
| 08:26.51 | jesse | err pain in the ass. |
| 08:27.13 | cromd | LOL ... i'm not too worried, but jesse, as a general plan of attack, is there a better image than the woody bf2.4 i should use then for installs? |
| 08:27.26 | jesse | cromd, With woody. Not really. |
| 08:27.56 | miyo | cromd: Did you install the new kernel? |
| 08:27.57 | cromd | cool, just get used to it i suppose, i was always pretty embarrased about my lack of boot-loader experience anyway |
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| 08:28.09 | Othello | um ... guys I have a question reagrding XDMCP ... how do I connect to another host running XDMCP from linux ala using XWin32 on windows |
| 08:28.10 | miyo | cromd: After that you want to check your lilo-configs... or install grub. |
| 08:28.16 | cromd | i'm an octopus at the moment miyo, it's on the boiler ... any second now |
| 08:28.23 | miyo | Othello: X -query host.to.connect |
| 08:28.28 | valdyn | do woody kernel packages not update lilo by default? |
| 08:28.29 | miyo | Othello: There is Xnest for running X in X |
| 08:28.41 | Othello | so ... I'll have to rtfm then? |
| 08:28.54 | jesse | valdyn, They do.. But every time I've ever let it to it.. it broke my lilo config and wouldn't start again. |
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| 08:29.01 | miyo | valdyn: In case of 2.4, did not work for me. |
| 08:29.04 | valdyn | jesse: weird |
| 08:29.06 | miyo | valdyn: Worked just fine for 2.2 |
| 08:29.07 | jesse | valdyn, I haven't done it.. in ove ra year. I don't remember exactly what the problem was. |
| 08:29.09 | miyo | valdyn: That is kernel. |
| 08:29.13 | cromd | ta for the advice miyo |
| 08:29.23 | valdyn | yea, i havent set up woody since 2002 |
| 08:29.32 | valdyn | so i dont remember |
| 08:29.54 | miyo | cromd: And check that initrd line. |
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| 08:30.13 | cromd | is cool, i'm not really a bells and whistles person, just a nice working box, woody is nice and stable, and can easily drive the console :) |
| 08:30.22 | cromd | ta again miyo |
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| 08:30.38 | jesse | cromd, Did it reboot sucessfully? |
| 08:31.07 | cromd | jesse, still downloading, it's not the highest bandwidth here, but also it's a peak time for the website |
| 08:32.08 | jesse | cromd, 8:31 zulu.... peak time? Must not be US ? |
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| 08:32.47 | miyo | cromd: Wait. |
| 08:33.05 | bob2 | hrm |
| 08:33.05 | cromd | jesse, no i mean my middle-eastern companions are hitting the website hosted here mostly about now |
| 08:33.19 | miyo | cromd: Little web-search claims that 8139too driver is compiled in bf24 kernel |
| 08:33.22 | bob2 | which postfix main.cf option gets it to listen on all interfaces? |
| 08:33.28 | miyo | cromd: dmesg | grep -i 8139 |
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| 08:33.50 | cromd | LOL ... couldn't find it available when it came to configuring modules in the install |
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| 08:34.17 | bob2 | ah, master.cf |
| 08:34.25 | jesse | cromd ...try.... updatedb ; locate 8139 |
| 08:34.29 | MobyTurbo | cromd: not everything is a module in bf2.4, some is built-in |
| 08:34.32 | miyo | bob2: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#inet_interfaces |
| 08:34.35 | cromd | aha |
| 08:34.37 | jesse | MobyTurbo, good point.. |
| 08:34.39 | cromd | that could be it then |
| 08:34.52 | MobyTurbo | cromd: on the other hand, in the Real Kernel, about everything is a module. |
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| 08:35.02 | cromd | updatedb going to really crawl right now, i'll check in a tick |
| 08:35.02 | miyo | cromd: Does it show up in dmesg? |
| 08:35.10 | jesse | cromd, Cancel that |
| 08:35.13 | cromd | certainly does miyo |
| 08:35.14 | miyo | cromd: You might still want to update to real kernel. |
| 08:35.16 | bob2 | miyo: hah, thanks |
| 08:35.19 | jesse | cromd, do the dmesg | grep 8139 |
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| 08:35.49 | cromd | done that, quite a few 8139 references ... i didn't know about what shows up in the dmesg |
| 08:35.58 | cromd | there's a reference to the 8139too as well |
| 08:36.14 | jesse | cromd, alright.... |
| 08:36.19 | cromd | 8139too Fast Ethernet Driver 0.9.24 |
| 08:36.33 | jesse | cromd, It should be working then. |
| 08:36.39 | jesse | cromd, You using dhcp? |
| 08:36.47 | cromd | YOUR JOKING! |
| 08:36.52 | jesse | cromd, not joking at all. |
| 08:36.52 | cromd | it was there all along!!!!! |
| 08:37.03 | jesse | cromd, yes :) .. it was compiled in.. which is pretty strange . |
| 08:37.05 | cromd | i've been totally wasting your time good peoples |
| 08:37.14 | jesse | cromd, Does your networking work? |
| 08:37.24 | cromd | i'll really laugh if this box doesn't reboot :) |
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| 08:37.31 | cromd | ifconfig works jesse |
| 08:37.53 | cromd | i'll have to do a few physical things to test it of course, but it looks good so far |
| 08:37.56 | miyo | jesse: bf24 kernel has some stuff compiled in... actually quite a lot. |
| 08:38.07 | miyo | jesse: It is installation kernel not a real kernel. |
| 08:38.09 | jesse | cromd, haha.. so you just assumed it wasn't working from the start? |
| 08:38.29 | jesse | miyo, I see. |
| 08:38.32 | cromd | LOL ... well, i have to work in a doze environment a lot, you tend to get pessimistic :) |
| 08:38.34 | kreg | so what is a "non-free" and "contrib" deb anyhow? |
| 08:38.40 | jesse | cromd, ..now that is funny. |
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| 08:38.49 | cromd | pretty sad really jesse :) |
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| 08:39.02 | cromd | thanks for all your help though, i really appreciate that |
| 08:39.04 | jesse | cromd, I've done stupider things. |
| 08:39.07 | jesse | cromd, and seen by far worse done. |
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| 08:39.31 | cromd | and i'll go there eventually, nay doot :) |
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| 08:39.50 | jesse | cromd, Recentely I seen someone that didn't have a hard drive detecting in the BIOS.. SO they flashed the BIOS (they did the wrong bios.. and it killed the motherboard) |
| 08:40.00 | jesse | cromd, Turns out.. the problem was.. the IDE cable wasn't plugged in. |
| 08:40.27 | cromd | LOL |
| 08:40.28 | d03boy | lol |
| 08:40.33 | cromd | jesse, you're a tonic |
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| 08:40.46 | jesse | cromd, dead serious.. I work with some.. pretty stupid people. |
| 08:40.55 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> ./configure -mcpu=i386 --prefix=/tmp/evidence/usr |
| 08:40.55 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> --exec-prefix=EPREFIX <-- what are this exactly ? |
| 08:40.55 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> my /tmp/evidence/usr/bin ? |
| 08:41.05 | jesse | cromd, I work for "GeekSquad" if anyone ever heard of the company. |
| 08:41.28 | d03boy | i thought geeksquad is with bestbuy? |
| 08:41.31 | cromd | well, there's stupidity and there's ignorance, the latter is curable, the former requires a few workarounds |
| 08:41.39 | jesse | d03boy, Yes.. I prefer to say I work for the geeksquad instead of best Buy though.. |
| 08:41.44 | d03boy | ;) |
| 08:41.48 | jesse | d03boy, But.. I worked for Best buy before they bought geeksquad.. You caught me. |
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| 08:41.53 | cromd | sounds pretty serious company jesse, good job? |
| 08:41.56 | jesse | d03boy, in store ..repair.. It's not a fun job. |
| 08:42.01 | jesse | cromd, Nope. Not at all. |
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| 08:42.10 | d03boy | ya, ive heard stories about how it sucks |
| 08:42.15 | jesse | cromd, A lot of pressure from district managers to basiclly rape customers with the threat of loosing your job. |
| 08:42.18 | cromd | got to hate that ... puters should be fun |
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| 08:42.35 | slicedmeat | i still can't get waimea added to gdm |
| 08:42.36 | cromd | sounds tempting jesse, you ever consider that offer? |
| 08:42.36 | jesse | very unethical company. |
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| 08:42.57 | jesse | cromd, I've had paperwork given to me that said If I didn't I'd be fired. |
| 08:43.01 | jesse | cromd, So yes. I am forced to do it. |
| 08:43.03 | miyo | slicedmeat: What have you tried? |
| 08:43.11 | miyo | slicedmeat: After tweaking the configs, have you restarted gdm? |
| 08:43.12 | cromd | no, i mean the offer to get fired |
| 08:43.12 | Thanatermesis | :/ |
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| 08:43.25 | miyo | Thanatermesis: It is prefix for exec (bin) |
| 08:43.35 | slicedmeat | ~/.gnomerc and ~/.xsessions and /etc/gdm/Sessions/ |
| 08:43.36 | d03boy | you should ask for a raise |
| 08:43.37 | Thanatermesis | thanx miyo |
| 08:43.39 | pool | hi. Do you know how to make XPlanet display on gnome/metacity WM ? |
| 08:43.44 | miyo | Thanatermesis: Just in case you want them in different place. |
| 08:43.46 | slicedmeat | yea it was restarted |
| 08:43.53 | jesse | cromd, haha.. I can't get another job and make what I make.. so i have to deal with it |
| 08:44.04 | d03boy | how much does a geeksquad member make? |
| 08:44.06 | jesse | cromd, which is $11 / hr..sad..just no jobs around here. |
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| 08:44.18 | miyo | slicedmeat: Did you restart gdm after tweaking ...Sessions/ ? |
| 08:44.19 | d03boy | i was thinking about joining the geeksquad this summer |
| 08:44.25 | pool | it seems that XPlanet is hidden behind gnome wallpaper |
| 08:44.25 | jesse | d03boy, about $10-$11 / hr |
| 08:44.32 | Thanatermesis | yes, I need to include ALL compilation in one directory (/tmp/evidence/) miyo , the correct address are in my situation /tmp/evidence/usr/bin ? |
| 08:44.34 | jesse | d03boy, starting is generally $9.97 to $10.28 |
| 08:44.46 | d03boy | that's not bad considering what there is for jobs around here |
| 08:44.54 | d03boy | for a poor college student |
| 08:44.59 | jesse | d03boy, yeah. its a job |
| 08:45.06 | jesse | d03boy, The in home people make about $15 / hr |
| 08:45.07 | cromd | jesse, nothing is worth the mental/spiritual aspects they impose on you |
| 08:45.10 | slicedmeat | miyo yea |
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| 08:45.19 | jesse | d03boy, but thats not an option for me .. you have to be 21 for insurance reasons. |
| 08:45.29 | miyo | slicedmeat: How did you tweak /etc/gdm/Sessions/ ? |
| 08:45.32 | d03boy | ah.. |
| 08:45.35 | jesse | cromd, Well.. It's a job to get me $$$ which I need if I ever want a job doing something I like. |
| 08:45.38 | d03boy | what do people at home do? |
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| 08:45.50 | jesse | d03boy, the inhome poeple... drive the cars.. and go repair stuff onsite. |
| 08:46.00 | d03boy | didnt know they had that service |
| 08:46.01 | cromd | but that's where it falls down, sounds a bit like slartibartfarst |
| 08:46.08 | jesse | d03boy, yeah.. pretty much anywhere in the US now. |
| 08:46.45 | jesse | d03boy, drive VW bugs painted like a police crusier (black and white) with geeksquad logo o nteh side. |
| 08:46.49 | slicedmeat | miyo i didn't really waimea is in there it just doesn't show up in the menu fluxbox shows up fine though |
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| 08:46.57 | d03boy | interestin |
| 08:47.18 | miyo | slicedmeat: Hmm.... |
| 08:47.26 | miyo | slicedmeat: Did you read the waimea-file? |
| 08:47.28 | jesse | d03boy, If I refer to a coworker with their first name now.. I'll get fired. |
| 08:47.37 | jesse | d03boy, A lot of it ..is just stupid. |
| 08:47.49 | d03boy | wow |
| 08:47.54 | slicedmeat | the one that was inside Sessions yea |
| 08:47.57 | jesse | d03boy, You have to call them Agent: Lastnamehere |
| 08:48.00 | slicedmeat | it looks just like the fluxbox one but with waimea |
| 08:48.04 | d03boy | that is fucking retarded |
| 08:48.09 | jesse | d03boy, Thats what I said. |
| 08:48.23 | jesse | d03boy, The prices are just insane |
| 08:48.34 | d03boy | like $100 for a format and reinstall of windows? |
| 08:48.36 | jesse | d03boy, Want someone to come to your house and install Microsoft Office for you? |
| 08:48.39 | jesse | d03boy, That'll be $229. |
| 08:48.42 | cromd | flipping heck |
| 08:48.44 | d03boy | =O |
| 08:48.46 | jesse | d03boy, Want a format AND a reload? About $400. |
| 08:48.48 | d03boy | lmfao |
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| 08:48.53 | d03boy | you've got to be shitting me |
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| 08:48.59 | jesse | d03boy, dead serious. |
| 08:49.04 | d03boy | what kind of dumbass would pay that kind of money? probably all kinds of people |
| 08:49.12 | cromd | jesse, that's going to seriously mess with you head mate |
| 08:49.18 | jesse | d03boy, Want someone to come out and tell you how much it will cost to do something?? $159. |
| 08:49.29 | jesse | cromd, yes.. but my only other option would be half the wage. |
| 08:49.32 | d03boy | we need to retaliate I think |
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| 08:49.42 | miyo | slicedmeat: What is the exec line like? |
| 08:49.51 | jesse | d03boy, haha.. Guess what else |
| 08:49.59 | jesse | d03boy, It is a *company* policy not to use Linux for anything |
| 08:50.05 | cromd | sounds like a better investment jesse, in your own self-respect |
| 08:50.05 | d03boy | why?! |
| 08:50.15 | jesse | d03boy, there are *COMPANY* documents with the Linux penguin with a NO sign going through it (like the no smoking sign) |
| 08:50.23 | jesse | cromd, well.. I'd still rather get to the job I want to do fater. |
| 08:50.24 | jesse | faster* |
| 08:50.29 | d03boy | maybe I dont want to work there............ |
| 08:50.44 | jesse | d03boy, Ask any bestbuy employee |
| 08:50.49 | miyo | jesse: I am glad that I am working for company does allow using GNU/Linux =) |
| 08:51.01 | jesse | d03boy, If they've taken the Information Technologies Ecompass Training.. they would have seen it. |
| 08:51.05 | cromd | good luck jesse ... as the Iraqis say, be lucky |
| 08:51.06 | jesse | miyo, Yes. that'd be nice. |
| 08:51.09 | jesse | cromd, haha. |
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| 08:51.54 | slicedmeat | it is exec /etc/X11/Xsession /usr/bin/waimea |
| 08:51.58 | jesse | d03boy, Want to know whats even more funny? Is they gave us an offical GeekSquad CD with tools on it.. An unlicensed full version of Norton Antivirus.. and a Windows XP Key changer... |
| 08:52.07 | cromd | blast, got to bring the geese in, oh well, good chance to see how much damage that new kernel has wrought :) |
| 08:52.10 | miyo | slicedmeat: Does /usr/bin/waimea exist? |
| 08:52.27 | Putiikki | is there any easy way how to make Folding@Home load during boot? |
| 08:52.27 | d03boy | ha |
| 08:52.35 | jesse | d03boy, Along with a *LINUX* based Password reseter... I told them that was linux based and they said that its a different kind of linux. so its ok. |
| 08:52.40 | cromd | see you soon or see you in about an hour ... thanks for your help good peoples |
| 08:52.46 | d03boy | LMFAO |
| 08:52.46 | jesse | cromd, cya |
| 08:52.51 | slicedmeat | yes |
| 08:52.54 | slicedmeat | it exists |
| 08:52.55 | d03boy | maybe someone should notify norton? |
| 08:53.03 | d03boy | norton sucks balls anyway |
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| 08:53.17 | jesse | d03boy, Told me that was okay. but knoppix isnt.. because knoppix is made by a different Linux company with different code in every aspect.. and Knoppix wasn't safe to use as far as licenesning.. |
| 08:53.32 | jesse | d03boy, As far as I can see... If an unlicensed Norton is OK.... and Linux isn't OK... They aren't very smart. |
| 08:53.49 | d03boy | ya, sound like a bunch of corporate dumbfucks that have no idea what they are doing |
| 08:53.56 | jesse | d03boy, exactly. |
| 08:53.58 | alus | this is not a suprising scenario to me |
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| 08:54.20 | alus | before geeksquad, that's just how the home/small business on-site support world worked |
| 08:54.28 | jesse | d03boy, Do the job part time.. It wont be bad... If you go fulltime just do your own thing and blend in.. avoid management |
| 08:54.29 | miyo | slicedmeat: Doesn't appear there for me either. |
| 08:54.35 | jesse | d03boy, NEVER .. EVER take a Senior position.. that was my mistake. |
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| 08:54.41 | miyo | slicedmeat: I'll check what can be done... |
| 08:54.44 | jesse | d03boy, just blend in. and its not that bad. |
| 08:54.47 | d03boy | k |
| 08:55.00 | Phated | jesse: What company is this again? |
| 08:55.02 | d03boy | i'm not sure if i'm even qualified enough... 19 years old without any certification |
| 08:55.17 | d03boy | i am a student as a software engineer though |
| 08:55.34 | jesse | d03boy, I'm 17. |
| 08:55.41 | d03boy | do you know off hand what the qualifications are? |
| 08:55.45 | jesse | d03boy, Got hired at 16... and no certs or pervious work experiance |
| 08:55.49 | slicedmeat | thanks |
| 08:55.52 | jesse | d03boy, They just ask you questions.. |
| 08:55.55 | jesse | d03boy, about what you know. |
| 08:56.05 | d03boy | i'm not even sure what I know... |
| 08:56.07 | jesse | d03boy, Offically best buy says "1 to 3 months related work experiance" |
| 08:56.17 | jesse | which is bullshit... because you wouldn't knwo crap. |
| 08:56.26 | jesse | d03boy, 90% of our work is Spyware removal |
| 08:56.35 | d03boy | what program/method do you use for spywar? |
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| 08:56.41 | alus | mopping up messes from porn |
| 08:56.45 | jesse | d03boy, Just say you are familar with various spyware removal packages and editing the registry...... uhm.. and they might ask simple hardware questions. |
| 08:57.02 | jesse | d03boy, Offically we only use Spysweeper (a corporate bestbuy contracct...) |
| 08:57.09 | d03boy | i see |
| 08:57.09 | alus | ew |
| 08:57.11 | alus | crap |
| 08:57.12 | jesse | d03boy, But in retrospect.. To actually get something fixed. |
| 08:57.36 | jesse | d03boy, We use PestPatrol, Spysweeper, Adware SE, BulletProof, and the new micrsoft anti-spyware |
| 08:57.48 | alus | wtf |
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| 08:57.53 | d03boy | does the ms anti-spyware work? |
| 08:57.58 | d03boy | ive beenw ondering about that |
| 08:58.03 | alus | no spybot, I'm shocked |
| 08:58.05 | jesse | d03boy, its.... . Alright |
| 08:58.07 | Phated | So have windows users all over. |
| 08:58.11 | jesse | alus, I don't like spybot personally. |
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| 08:58.18 | Phated | jesse: But it works well. |
| 08:58.21 | SNIa | hijackthis works not bad |
| 08:58.24 | jesse | alus, Some people use it.. some dont.. I rarely use it |
| 08:58.31 | d03boy | spybot isnt up to date as it used to be I think |
| 08:58.31 | jesse | Phated, not really... |
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| 08:58.49 | SNIa | I like the immunize feature of spybot |
| 08:58.50 | mike | hihi, which package has the lame encoder in it? |
| 08:58.51 | jesse | Phated, when you do about 20 computers a day you tend to figure out the quickest way to do it. |
| 08:58.51 | abrocadabro | has any one tried phpbb2? mine keeps saying that it can't connect to the database |
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| 08:59.07 | Phated | Right. |
| 08:59.15 | jesse | basically.. just clear temp files... go into safemode |
| 08:59.23 | jesse | run the microsoft one.. .. spysweeper.. and bulletproof |
| 08:59.27 | jesse | 90% of the time.. that'll do it.. |
| 08:59.43 | SNIa | heh |
| 08:59.43 | jesse | sometimes its a pain in the ass.. and you resort to spybot..and whatever else you can find.. and fuck with the registry for 8 hours |
| 08:59.50 | SNIa | and turn sysrestor off and do most of it in safe mode |
| 08:59.57 | kesu-ki | but really to remove spyware the first key is to not boot from the computer that is infected, as some spyware compromizes the os and will make itself unremovable |
| 09:00.00 | jesse | SNIa, yes. that is key. forgot to mention that. |
| 09:00.20 | jesse | kesu-ki, Don't boot the computer with the spyware on it? |
| 09:00.39 | jesse | kesu-ki, You know of a good way to legally boot Windows and load the registry to actually remove the spyware from the registry without booting the computer? |
| 09:00.42 | mike | jesse: why would u do that? are all the computers got exactly the same content? if so, just use network drive mirroring |
| 09:00.56 | jesse | mike, We don't like to restore the systems. |
| 09:00.57 | kesu-ki | the registry is a text file |
| 09:01.02 | jesse | mike, It pisses customers off. |
| 09:01.20 | jesse | personally. I'd rather restore every fucking computer that came in there and just be done wit hti.. but thats not an option. |
| 09:01.28 | jesse | because that's the only way to know for sure its clean. |
| 09:01.52 | miyo | slicedmeat: Seems it works differnet by default. |
| 09:01.57 | jesse | kesu-ki, I havne't found any that can't be removed yet. |
| 09:01.59 | miyo | slicedmeat: It does not read /etc/gdm/Sessions/ |
| 09:02.01 | kesu-ki | actually the registry is two text files, but seriously even notepad can edit them on a system that is using the registry files in question |
| 09:02.08 | kesu-ki | er isn |
| 09:02.09 | kesu-ki | 't |
| 09:02.10 | miyo | slicedmeat: Instead there is /usr/share/xsessions/ |
| 09:02.19 | miyo | slicedmeat: Where there are .desktop files. |
| 09:02.23 | jesse | kesu-ki, That's not the probelm.. the prboelm is a scanner that will actually work worht a shit without the registry actually loaded and active. |
| 09:02.26 | miyo | slicedmeat: This was digged from /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 09:02.30 | SNIa | seen some spyware from lop.com that was fun to remove |
| 09:02.42 | slicedmeat | ok thanks |
| 09:02.49 | d03boy | about:home is quite a bitch |
| 09:02.58 | d03boy | errr about:blank |
| 09:03.03 | jesse | SNIa, Yeah.. We get difficult ones.. I run a phpBB forums.. any of them that are a pain in the ass the techs will put what they did in their for future reference |
| 09:03.04 | alus | kesu-ki: you're wrong. open ntuser.dat and save it with notepad, and you've got yourself a corrupted registry |
| 09:03.08 | jesse | d03boy, yes.. about:blank makes me cringe. |
| 09:03.19 | d03boy | ive had a few encounters with that... on winME no less |
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| 09:03.24 | miyo | slicedmeat: So copy e.g. fluxbox.desktop to waimea.desktop, modify it for waimea and then restart gdm. |
| 09:03.46 | slicedmeat | tryin that now :) |
| 09:03.49 | slicedmeat | thanks |
| 09:03.52 | jesse | i don't really do a whole lot of repairs anymore myself.. i have to deal with ways to increase revenue so I don't loose my job most of hte time. |
| 09:03.58 | buckfunk | hello to everyone folks |
| 09:04.00 | jesse | and fix what our laptop repair centers break. |
| 09:04.04 | SNIa | I got a utility to reinstall and reset IE, and a bunch of specific adware removal tools. Can't say there is one that wasn't removable... but... I think it sa matter of time where WindowsXP will have some that ISN'T removable |
| 09:04.06 | slicedmeat | worked |
| 09:04.06 | slicedmeat | awesome |
| 09:04.26 | jesse | SNIa, Yeah. It's a pain in the ass... |
| 09:04.52 | jesse | Guess how much it usally costs for us to remove spyware? |
| 09:04.54 | buckfunk | which ones from the iso images of the testing debian distro are necessary for all the basic stuff and their development counterparts ? |
| 09:04.58 | jesse | (fine example of how we overcharge) |
| 09:05.00 | buckfunk | i mean kde gnome gtk2 etc |
| 09:05.07 | d03boy | $200 |
| 09:05.07 | SNIa | jesse: no idea |
| 09:05.14 | jesse | SNIa, $330. |
| 09:05.22 | SNIa | almost a new machine :P |
| 09:05.29 | d03boy | i think they multiply what it should be x100 |
| 09:05.30 | jesse | SNIa, very true. |
| 09:05.31 | kesu-ki | my sister gets all the adware that can't be removed... one was so persistant that reinstalling windows into the same dierectory cause the adware to reinfect |
| 09:05.45 | SNIa | is that US or CAD? |
| 09:05.48 | reamtS | ls |
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| 09:05.49 | reamtS | ls -al |
| 09:05.51 | reamtS | clea |
| 09:06.01 | jesse | kesu-ki, yes.. thats not suprising..because you aren't getting rid of the spy/adware which is often installed in Program Files |
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| 09:06.10 | jesse | kesu-ki, So you boot back up.. It gets executed.. you are at square one. |
| 09:06.14 | SNIa | jesse: what currency is that rate in? |
| 09:06.19 | jesse | SNIa, USD |
| 09:06.23 | SNIa | wow |
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| 09:06.29 | kesu-ki | this wasn't in progam files at all man |
| 09:06.29 | SNIa | i've been UNDER charging then :P |
| 09:06.37 | jesse | SNIa, haha.. |
| 09:06.38 | SNIa | what do you charge for wipe & restore? |
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| 09:06.48 | kesu-ki | this adware was so persaive it replaced notepad.exe with an installer for it's adware |
| 09:06.48 | d03boy | $400 |
| 09:06.51 | wishie | im trying to find a way to make advmame, or xmame.SDL for that matter, work from an init script..they dont seem to want to |
| 09:07.03 | jesse | SNIa, $60 for us to touch it.. $60 for restore. $30 for udpates (we require this) then we always try to force Norton and install for about another $100 |
| 09:07.06 | wishie | is there some env var i should set ? (ive already set HOME) |
| 09:07.10 | mike | and also, how should i go about installing my nvidia TNT2 driver? is there a program that i can use to configure it, i selected it in my custom kernel |
| 09:07.14 | slicedmeat | does anyone know if kahakai themes work in waimea? |
| 09:07.40 | wishie | or alternatively, a program to automatically log a use into a console ? |
| 09:07.45 | SNIa | jesse: part of your restore, is that drivers also? |
| 09:07.59 | jesse | SNIa, Sad thing is.. Most of the computers we sell (Company and HP) requires you to push one button on reboot and click 3 times to restore it .. drivers and all. |
| 09:08.21 | SNIa | heh |
| 09:08.22 | jesse | SNIa, Press F10.. Click Advanced.. Click Next.. Click Yes.. thats al lthere is to it. |
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| 09:08.42 | bob2 | hrm |
| 09:08.55 | jesse | SNIa, TECHNICALLY though.. each driver would be $39 |
| 09:08.58 | bob2 | anyone remember how to do username wildcards in /etc/aliases for postfix? |
| 09:09.00 | d03boy | I did a netinstall of debian (woody). So far I've got networking to work. I'm not sure what else I need to install. Eventually I'd like to have a window manager and everything else you'd want on a laptop. I also need ot make a good apt-get source list. Whats my first step I need to take here? |
| 09:09.03 | jesse | SNIa, but.. i don't let us stoop to that level. |
| 09:09.06 | bob2 | it's not just '@domain.com: username' |
| 09:09.25 | jesse | d03boy, what window manager? |
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| 09:09.32 | SNIa | huh, I knew us here at this store we have been undercharging |
| 09:09.34 | kesu-ki | But those Cds no longer come pre-packaged with the computers either |
| 09:09.43 | d03boy | kde |
| 09:09.44 | jesse | SNIa, what store? |
| 09:09.50 | SNIa | CompuSmart in Terrace, BC |
| 09:10.02 | SNIa | Canadian Franchise |
| 09:10.15 | jesse | d03boy, Well.. something like apt-get install x-window-system kdelibs kdebase mozilla-firefox (not sure if thats even in woody) kdm |
| 09:10.18 | jesse | d03boy, would be a good start. |
| 09:10.31 | jesse | SNIa, I see.. Is geeksquad up there? |
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| 09:11.08 | jesse | *franchise* would be nice.. vs the corporate owned bullshit. |
| 09:11.36 | SNIa | are you onsite, no geeksquad up here, not large enough population |
| 09:11.53 | d03boy | i need a good source list though :\ |
| 09:12.05 | d03boy | do I just go through them ALL on apt-get.com? (or org or whatever) |
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| 09:12.14 | jesse | d03boy, no idea.. i only use the offical |
| 09:12.23 | d03boy | where's that? |
| 09:12.29 | jesse | SNIa, Yea. we are onsite and instore. |
| 09:13.00 | jesse | d03boy, the ones that apt-setup g ive you. |
| 09:13.14 | d03boy | ah, lol |
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| 09:13.34 | d03boy | i couldnt do that during the install because i needed to rebuild a kernel to work with my eth drivers |
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| 09:13.41 | jesse | d03boy, haha ;x |
| 09:14.38 | jesse | well . i better get to bed... |
| 09:14.46 | jesse | i think i'm gonna go flying tomorrow.. |
| 09:14.57 | jesse | if the fucking city plowed the runways yet. |
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| 09:15.41 | buckfunk | how big is the size of each debian dvd iso ? |
| 09:15.58 | d03boy | 1400 was the total dvd I think? |
| 09:16.06 | d03boy | i could be way off though |
| 09:16.14 | d03boy | i remember a 4 |
| 09:16.46 | jesse | well..goodnight all |
| 09:16.46 | jesse | cya |
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| 09:16.53 | miyo | jesse: Your prices are not so high... |
| 09:17.03 | miyo | jesse: You could get me for a day... with ~2000e |
| 09:17.03 | jesse | miyo, How do you figure? |
| 09:17.21 | jesse | miyo, Well.. You also don't go inhome and remove spyware on family windows computers I'm assuming. |
| 09:17.29 | SNIa | you have snow? |
| 09:17.33 | jesse | miyo, businesses will pay anything... |
| 09:17.37 | jesse | SNIa, Yeah. |
| 09:17.40 | miyo | jesse: Sure I do... if I get paid for that. |
| 09:17.41 | SNIa | Live further up north, and its freakin spring! |
| 09:17.46 | miyo | jesse: The price is there. |
| 09:17.47 | jesse | miyo, I'm sure that happens all the time :) |
| 09:17.54 | jesse | SNIa, I live in Minnesota. |
| 09:18.01 | SNIa | near the middle of BC |
| 09:18.14 | jesse | miyo, And what's $2000 euros?? $4USD ? |
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| 09:18.56 | jesse | miyo, Just jokeing :) |
| 09:19.08 | LordKahless | hey someone think they could help me? i wanna make it so my system runs a certian command on boot, but i have no idea how to do that |
| 09:19.20 | miyo | jesse: 2592,2 USD |
| 09:19.22 | jesse | infact the euro is bigger then the dollar i.. like 1.3 to 1 usd .. or something like that. |
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| 09:20.19 | jesse | miyo, The way things are going.. next year it'll probably be $10,000 USD |
| 09:20.29 | EvanCarroll | LordKahless: look up init.d or .bashrc |
| 09:20.37 | miyo | jesse: I have no idea... nor I am interested. |
| 09:20.46 | EvanCarroll | LordKahless: or .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 09:20.54 | miyo | jesse: I keep spreading and supporting GNU/Linux around me. |
| 09:21.01 | jesse | miyo, hahaha... that works. |
| 09:21.41 | d03boy | wow, i cant belive i was totally oblivious to apt-setup |
| 09:22.05 | jesse | d03boy, linux is a license to learn.. like all things really. |
| 09:22.27 | jesse | windows is a license to cry. |
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| 09:23.26 | SNIa | s/cry/die/ |
| 09:23.29 | SNIa | heh |
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| 09:23.36 | Phated | /msg dpkg phated to see what else windows does. |
| 09:23.38 | Phated | ;) |
| 09:23.45 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 09:23.58 | tuxyRochefort | hi. I can't see xplanet because it's under gnome/metacity wallpaper. Do you know how to see xplanet ? |
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| 09:24.29 | sussudio | !sw abrocadabro |
| 09:24.30 | dpkg | abrocadabro: you stats whore! |
| 09:24.31 | sussudio | damn |
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| 09:24.38 | sussudio | !sw abrotman |
| 09:24.38 | dpkg | abrotman: you stats whore! |
| 09:24.41 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:25.44 | EvanCarroll | !windows |
| 09:25.45 | dpkg | somebody said windows was from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or ... |
| 09:26.09 | jesse | hahaha |
| 09:26.11 | jesse | !windows |
| 09:26.11 | dpkg | hmm... windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see ... |
| 09:26.23 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 09:26.23 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 09:26.28 | sussudio | !stupid bot tricks |
| 09:26.28 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 09:26.32 | Phated | It's the same no matter how many times you call it, you know. |
| 09:26.42 | jesse | Phated, I know now. |
| 09:26.43 | EvanCarroll | !thanks |
| 09:26.44 | dpkg | sure thing, EvanCarroll |
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| 09:28.09 | d03boy | does xwin underlie kde? or vice versa? |
| 09:28.16 | wishie | how would i go about making a simple menu program, where if i type '1' it loads one program, '2' loads another program, and '3' turns the pc off ? |
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| 09:28.39 | nicholsc | i'm trying to install debian onto an old sparc 2 with only a disk drive |
| 09:28.49 | nicholsc | and i can get it to boot rescue.bin |
| 09:29.06 | nicholsc | but when it tries to load drivers-1.bin, it gives me a UFStype error |
| 09:29.19 | nicholsc | is this something i can fix? |
| 09:29.30 | EvanCarroll | gah why wont courier-imap work, when i try to log in i get an disconnected with Unknown error, using sarge, i assume its using pam because any other password than my unix one and i get bad login |
| 09:31.03 | pif | wishie : check the advanced bash scripting howto |
| 09:31.24 | wishie | pif: im looking at whiptail at a moment..that suitable you think ? |
| 09:31.36 | pif | dunno |
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| 09:36.44 | abrocadabro | sussudio:wtf? |
| 09:36.55 | notificador | hola |
| 09:37.18 | notificador | puedo hacer una pregunta en espańol?? |
| 09:37.25 | MobyTurbo | !es |
| 09:37.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:37.36 | notificador | gracias |
| 09:37.39 | notificador | thanks |
| 09:37.46 | MobyTurbo | de nada |
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| 09:37.55 | slicedmeat | do i need a special program for enabling trans in flux? |
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| 09:39.25 | Phated | Trans of what? |
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| 09:40.18 | slicedmeat | transparency for the menus/windows |
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| 09:41.18 | Phated | Don't know about the widnows, but the alpha setting in the configuration bit of the menu will do transparency of menu and title bar. |
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| 09:41.58 | slicedmeat | its suppose to but the transparency isn't workin |
| 09:42.44 | yalu | [offtopic] : it is a mystery to me why so many geeks seem to have an Apple ibook |
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| 09:43.10 | Phated | They're the ultimate achievement. "I have an iBook with linux on it!" |
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| 09:43.22 | Phated | I think a couple of the macheads around here have them. |
| 09:43.30 | PerfDave | yalu: They're all weak-minded fools who are easy prey for sassy marketeers, and can be trivially conned into supporting DRM. |
| 09:43.40 | yalu | lol |
| 09:43.41 | Phated | Or that. |
| 09:44.07 | yalu | since I thought some hardware on them isn't supported by Linux |
| 09:45.23 | petemc | the wireless isnt, thats about it |
| 09:46.15 | asuffield | yalu: it's because they're tossers with more money than sense |
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| 09:46.45 | petemc | osx |
| 09:46.58 | asuffield | yalu: it costs about three times more |
| 09:47.13 | p2-mate | yalu: an ibook isn't sturdy at all |
| 09:47.18 | petemc | asuffield: bullshit, ibooks are fairly cheap now |
| 09:47.18 | abrocadabro | does anyone know how to import mysql database from version 3.23 to 4.0.23 in Sarge? |
| 09:47.20 | asuffield | "flimsy" would be a better word |
| 09:47.32 | asuffield | petemc: they remain vastly more expensive than equivalent non-apple hardware |
| 09:47.42 | EvanCarroll | dear god mozilla products suck such gimmicks whats this crap with their profiles, i log in as root, launch firefox, profile already in use, -- fine default is in use by normal user, log out to the user who used to be able to run products fine, now it gets an error, profile in use |
| 09:47.43 | asuffield | petemc: hardware in general just gets cheaper, that's all |
| 09:47.44 | slicedmeat | so am i missing something for the transparency? |
| 09:47.46 | yalu | p2-mate: the old ones were... the colored ones :) |
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| 09:48.15 | p2-mate | yalu: yeah, but they were big and ugly :) |
| 09:48.21 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Uhm, root's default profile is a different thing to a user's default profile. |
| 09:48.26 | yalu | p2-mate: ugly is a matter of taste ;-) |
| 09:48.34 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: then why are they conflicting |
| 09:48.41 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: They're not. Something else is wrong. |
| 09:48.46 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: when i said root, i was referring to sudo |
| 09:48.54 | paperclip_laptop | anyone use laptop_mode in kernel 2.6.x ?? |
| 09:49.00 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Well, did you mean root or not? |
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| 09:49.08 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Are you running Ubuntu? |
| 09:49.51 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: I ment sudo, and yes to later -- while its not a debian question, its more or less just a rant about mozilla products sucking |
| 09:50.01 | EvanCarroll | latter* |
| 09:50.36 | slicedmeat | i got eterm and fluxbox installed but the trans doesn't work am i missing something? |
| 09:51.02 | bob2 | hm |
| 09:51.07 | bob2 | I have a virtual table entry for a domain |
| 09:51.13 | bob2 | but it relays for random subdomains, too |
| 09:51.17 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Well, Ubuntu have their own Mozilla packages. I don't have the problem you have, using Debian. It's not fair to bitch about Mozilla when you're not running the upstream code. |
| 09:51.37 | p2-mate | yalu: thinkpads are still the best laptops IMO, as long as the chinese don't ruine it |
| 09:51.52 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: while that might be a valid point i prefer to deny it |
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| 09:52.03 | yalu | an old one but a good one |
| 09:52.37 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: I'm sure that hundreds of Mozilla developers would love to hear you slagging them off for something that's not their fault. |
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| 09:53.30 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: the likely hood of the ubuntu team sabotaging the source seems unlikely |
| 09:53.32 | d03boy | should I use KDE or something lighter? |
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| 09:53.44 | d03boy | i'd like to pretty it up real nice if I can |
| 09:54.01 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Not deliberately, no. It's reasonably likely that they've introduced a bug, since your problem doesn't seem to exist in Debian. |
| 09:54.02 | slicedmeat | i got eterm and fluxbox installed but the trans doesn't work am i missing something? |
| 09:54.08 | PerfDave | d03boy: Use what you want to use :) |
| 09:54.17 | EvanCarroll | disapearing bookmarks post-profile lockups seems like a firefox problem, im going to have to try firefox on sudo with debian though, then ill be back for more bitching and moaning =/ |
| 09:54.25 | d03boy | ive never used anything else really... so its hard to make a deciison :P |
| 09:54.41 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: It's pretty retarded to run a web browser as root anyway. |
| 09:54.43 | hexxeh | d03boy, xfce! |
| 09:54.46 | hexxeh | well, xfce4 |
| 09:54.49 | d03boy | EvanCarroll, i get the same post-profile problem |
| 09:54.53 | d03boy | hexxeh, how's come? |
| 09:55.37 | PerfDave | d03boy: It's a bit pointless to ask what you "should" use, because everybody's needs are different. I wouldn't use anything other than KDE, personally. |
| 09:55.44 | drp | anyone know how to draw a circle around a number in latex ... like for a homework problem |
| 09:55.45 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: if you have a copy of firefox open as a normal user, and then run sudo -s, and issue a mozilla-firefox (or apropriate command to launch mozilla bin) does it allow you or does it pester you with profile locked |
| 09:55.45 | d03boy | ok |
| 09:55.52 | drp | I asked in #latex earlier |
| 09:55.59 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Uhm, no idea, I don't use sudo. |
| 09:56.04 | drp | just wondering if anyone knew |
| 09:56.05 | EvanCarroll | d03boy: are you using debian? or ubuntu? |
| 09:56.07 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Like I said, running a web browser as root is fucking retarded. |
| 09:56.10 | d03boy | deb |
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| 09:56.35 | mixter | hi! i'm installing qmail and would like to remove exim so that they don't "collide". ofcourse dselect wont let me uninstall exim since i then will be without an emailpackage. are there any package that provides "mail-transport-agent" without actually doing anything? |
| 09:56.37 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: You have no idea whether that's a sudo problem or a firefox problem though, because you don't undertsand sudo. |
| 09:56.46 | PerfDave | mixter: qmail-src |
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| 09:57.27 | mixter | perfdave: i searche for thatone, but i couldn't find it in dselect, is it not among the standard packages |
| 09:57.40 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: I didn't mean to run it as root, I agree its fucking retarded. i wanted to run distupgrade, and check on my imap package docs, it was a mistake, so when i use it as normal user i get penalized by having all my bookmarks cleaned up, and thrown out, much more 'retarded' than running browser as root |
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| 09:58.00 | slicedmeat | i got eterm and fluxbox installed but the trans doesn't work am i missing something? |
| 09:58.08 | PerfDave | mixter: It's in non-free, because qmail is non-free djbcrackware. |
| 09:58.24 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: *shrug* Just as well you had backups then ;) |
| 09:58.35 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: give me a break, the problem is specific to the way mozilla handels profiles, sudo doesn't need to make exceptions for each program, each program needs to catch exceptions presented by sudo, frameworks don't work around thorns |
| 09:58.39 | EvanCarroll | =/ |
| 09:58.53 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: "each program needs to catch exceptions presented by sudo" |
| 09:58.58 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: You are so wrong it hurts. |
| 09:59.02 | mixter | PerfDave: ah! ok.. have to add non-free to apt.sources then thanks! |
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| 09:59.05 | FEN_HIN | anyone have been experience on using usermodelinux, or linux-vserver? |
| 09:59.44 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: Look, it's pretty obvious that you're clueless, and have no idea what you're doing, so your slagging off Firefox is entirely unjustifiable. |
| 09:59.45 | SniperX | Ive just setup DHCPD and now whenever anyone plugs a cable into the network and the linux box gives it an IP it scrolls about 15 "neighbour table overflow" errors |
| 09:59.52 | EvanCarroll | i would be more hurting if i had to compile sudo with mozilla support, than mozilla with sudo support =/ |
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| 10:00.11 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: You shouldn't have to compile either with support for either. |
| 10:00.22 | PerfDave | EvanCarroll: OK, you're clearly a fucktard and just trolling now *plonk* |
| 10:00.34 | EvanCarroll | PerfDave: your comments on coding seem much more unjustifiable i have the problem and d03boy has the problem, its not a problem with sudo, its not a problem with debian, its a problem with firefox. |
| 10:00.52 | SniperX | Could I please have help regarding the problem above? |
| 10:01.15 | d03boy | i was running firefox as root though because I was too lazy to chmod it so I could run it as a normal user :\ |
| 10:01.27 | d03boy | not in sudo, just su |
| 10:01.28 | scarynetworkguy | EvanCarroll: But you already said that you aren't running Debian so HTF could it be a Debian problem |
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| 10:02.19 | nowhere_ | hi |
| 10:02.24 | SniperX | hey nowehere |
| 10:02.28 | SniperX | Ive just setup DHCPD and now whenever anyone plugs a cable into the network and the linux box gives it an IP it scrolls about 15 "neighbour table overflow" errors |
| 10:02.45 | simonrvn | holy fuck |
| 10:03.19 | EvanCarroll | scarynetworkguy: because d03boy is and his problem coroborates mine. |
| 10:04.03 | hexxeh | d03boy, why did you even need to chmod firefox, exactly? |
| 10:04.19 | d03boy | because a limited account couldnt execute it |
| 10:04.26 | hexxeh | d03boy, how did you install it? |
| 10:04.35 | d03boy | i dont remember... probably urpmi? |
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| 10:04.57 | simonrvn | mozilla has fucked up like that in the past. not all that surprising, even if stupid... |
| 10:05.04 | d03boy | ya, i wasnt running debian at the time |
| 10:05.06 | EvanCarroll | scarynetworkguy: puts on his scarynetworkguy is a fucking idiot - who if he would read rather than troll in support of mozilla, would relise that I ALREADY SAID IT WASN'T A DEBIAN PROBLEM... |
| 10:05.08 | simonrvn | urpmi? WTF |
| 10:05.23 | d03boy | :P |
| 10:05.48 | EvanCarroll | err thats /idiot/idiot tshirt/ |
| 10:06.18 | simonrvn | yeh, let's aggravate it =) |
| 10:06.49 | nowhere_ | this is funny, I can startx into a gnome-session, but I can't startkde into kde, and I can't log in using [kgx]dm |
| 10:06.50 | hexxeh | d03boy, we don't particularly care about what happens when you install firefox with mandrake tools. personally, the only time my profiles ahve screwed in firefox is when i'm stupid enough to run it with sudo |
| 10:07.04 | scarynetworkguy | EvanCarroll: Slight misparse, my bad. s/debian/firefox and my point still stands. |
| 10:07.04 | nowhere_ | neither with gnome nor with kde |
| 10:07.08 | nowhere_ | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 10:07.19 | nowhere_ | what could be causing this problem? |
| 10:07.21 | simonrvn | um |
| 10:07.23 | d03boy | hexxeh, am I the one sitting here arguing? I never once said anyone should care... in fact, I dont even care |
| 10:07.28 | simonrvn | !tell nowhere_ about xsession |
| 10:07.49 | EvanCarroll | scarynetworkguy: how does your point stand, the problem is specific to firefox, and occurs on multiple distros. |
| 10:08.02 | simonrvn | nowhere_: insert 'exec gnome-session' or 'exec startkde' and be happy |
| 10:08.26 | simonrvn | nowhere_: then run startx |
| 10:08.41 | nowhere_ | simonrvn: actually I know this, but I want to be able to use one of the gui login managers |
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| 10:08.53 | nowhere_ | and that's some borked X setting.. |
| 10:08.59 | Quarupt | www.ubuntu.com |
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| 10:09.21 | simonrvn | nowhere_: then you use the 'debian' or 'default' session in one of those DMs, and it'll run .xsession |
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| 10:10.08 | simonrvn | xdm will just run .xsession and that's all (system one if no user one) |
| 10:10.19 | scarynetworkguy | EvanCarroll: Yes and if I run many different kinds of cars without oil they will all blow up. That's not a "engine problem" either. It would be a problem with me doing stupid things. |
| 10:11.04 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: dude we agree it's dumb. in this case doing a dumb thing is the only way to fix the stupid *upstream* problem. |
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| 10:11.22 | simonrvn | emphasis on dumb and upstream |
| 10:11.33 | simonrvn | (you pick the order ;) |
| 10:11.42 | EvanCarroll | scarynetworkguy: your analagy doesn't hold its an equivocation, cars where made to run with oil, they only run with oil, they require oil. mozilla isn't made to work for one user, it isn't designed to break with multiple enviroments, and it surly isn't designed to dump bookmarks without notifing the user |
| 10:11.50 | simonrvn | 'analogy' |
| 10:11.56 | nowhere_ | simonrvn: and no, any attempt on running a session from a login manager pops me right back to the login manager |
| 10:11.57 | sussudio | analagony? |
| 10:12.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 10:12.47 | simonrvn | nowhere_: don't background the session type things. you don't want them to exit (treat them like a wm) |
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| 10:13.37 | dpblnt | nowhere_, were you playing around sound devices/daemons? |
| 10:13.38 | nowhere_ | simonrvn: .xsession says exec startkde, no & to background anything |
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| 10:13.46 | simonrvn | ok |
| 10:13.55 | dpblnt | nowhere_, i've seen that, when my terminal did not play sound over network |
| 10:13.55 | nowhere_ | dpblnt: nope, no sound card in this box |
| 10:14.04 | Skaag | any simple console tool in the debian distribution for managing address books in slapd? |
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| 10:14.20 | simonrvn | try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common (or is it xfree86-common ?) |
| 10:14.27 | resiak | !drxx |
| 10:14.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 10:14.38 | resiak | Oh, false alarm :-) |
| 10:14.39 | simonrvn | Skaag: ldapvi ;p |
| 10:14.47 | Skaag | simonrvn: thanks :-) |
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| 10:15.09 | simonrvn | resiak: no, that doesn't do the console only, root only, or any user can run the xserver thingy |
| 10:15.20 | Skaag | simonrvn: Ok it says 0 entries read, and no such objects, I guess i'll read the docs a bit :-) |
| 10:15.25 | resiak | simonrvn: Hence the "false alarm". Sorry to confuse matters. |
| 10:15.35 | simonrvn | Skaag: it's really rough though... not great for that.... |
| 10:15.43 | Skaag | i see there are no docs at all |
| 10:16.13 | simonrvn | ldapvi -D binddn -w passwd -h ldaps://host -b basedn |
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| 10:17.03 | d03boy | if I dont install/specify a kdm/xdm then I will just use startx? |
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| 10:17.20 | dondelelcaro | d03boy: sure. You can even just use startx if you have those installed but aren't using them. |
| 10:17.21 | simonrvn | you could always cat or grep -q some chmod 400 file to get the password into the app without having to type it, then rm it |
| 10:17.38 | simonrvn | d03boy: you can do either even |
| 10:18.02 | d03boy | screw it.. i dont need a damn login manager |
| 10:18.05 | simonrvn | resiak: np |
| 10:18.12 | simonrvn | d03boy: no, you don't ;) |
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| 10:19.03 | d03boy | mozilla-firefox isnt in woody :( |
| 10:19.51 | hexxeh | d03boy, no. woody is from mid 2002. firefox isn't. |
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| 10:20.14 | hexxeh | d03boy, there is absolutely no reason to run firefox on woody anyway, woody as a desktop system is just plain ass |
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| 10:20.19 | d03boy | i thought they still added packages to it though |
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| 10:20.35 | hexxeh | d03boy, no, then it wouldn't be "stable" |
| 10:20.53 | simonrvn | ass crack even |
| 10:21.09 | ricky_clarkson | Stable is a bad name for the meaning attached. |
| 10:21.21 | hexxeh | ricky_clarkson, you prefer the old 'frozen'? |
| 10:21.23 | nowhere_ | nope, even chanin the setting so that everybody can start X doesn't let me log in using a display manager |
| 10:21.35 | nowhere_ | s/chanin/changing/ |
| 10:21.54 | nowhere_ | oh well, screw it... |
| 10:21.59 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe it should be called immobile, frozen, fixed, or more accurately 'dead'. |
| 10:22.28 | nowhere_ | thanks anyway |
| 10:22.31 | hexxeh | ricky_clarkson, "quaint" |
| 10:22.33 | ricky_clarkson | hexxeh: I thought frozen was what testing became temporarily before release. |
| 10:22.44 | TinoW | fixed is a good name. Because indeed it gets fixes and is fixed the same time |
| 10:22.49 | hexxeh | ricky_clarkson, they changed the naming scheme a while back. |
| 10:23.11 | hexxeh | all in favor of renaming "stable" to "quaint"? |
| 10:24.11 | ricky_clarkson | stable->fixed, testing->glacier and unstable->whitewater |
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| 10:25.23 | hexxeh | okay, now you're heading into freaky ubuntuish names |
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| 10:26.06 | hexxeh | i counter it with this skunk: http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/feb05/infalt022605.jpg |
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| 10:26.55 | ricky_clarkson | And we should release every six months and make everyone build from source, then charge for our enterprise editions and include a DebHat Line-ux Arse-Over-Tit Certification Programme. |
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| 10:27.23 | hexxeh | i have a better idea |
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| 10:27.37 | hexxeh | inspired by ubuntu, how about debian releases mirror releases of enlightenment? |
| 10:28.29 | hexxeh | and offer only E as the wm, with W-widget apps |
| 10:28.31 | hexxeh | *E |
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| 10:28.34 | tuxyRochefort | anyone knows how to have xplanet displayed into gnome ? |
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| 10:30.18 | ricky_clarkson | hexxeh: And boot from CD. |
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| 10:32.43 | d03boy | can I easily upgrade from woody to sarge? |
| 10:32.51 | d03boy | someone once told me i could |
| 10:33.06 | sussudio | !someone |
| 10:33.07 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:33.10 | hexxeh | d03boy, if you want to, yes. |
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| 10:33.37 | d03boy | does that involve just "upgrading" the apt-get sources? |
| 10:34.04 | ArtVandalae | d03boy, you have to update your sources list, to say "testing" instead of "stable" |
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| 10:34.22 | hexxeh | ArtVandalae, "sarge" would be a better bet if he wants sarge. |
| 10:34.25 | d03boy | ok |
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| 10:34.35 | d03boy | i dont realy know what i want |
| 10:34.37 | hexxeh | !woody->sarge |
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| 10:34.47 | ArtVandalae | d03boy, edit sources.lst |
| 10:34.49 | hexxeh | !lart me |
| 10:34.55 | hexxeh | hmm :/ |
| 10:35.06 | ArtVandalae | !tell d03boy about sources.lst |
| 10:35.51 | hexxeh | d03boy, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change your source lines to say "sarg" insteadd of "stable" or "woody". apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27 discover1 hotplug |
| 10:35.57 | hexxeh | *sarge |
| 10:36.19 | hexxeh | well. 2.4.27-2-processorsubarch. or 2.6.8 if you prefer |
| 10:37.01 | d03boy | ya, i might end up compiling the kernel myself for shats and giggles |
| 10:37.15 | d03boy | but the rest seems to make sense |
| 10:37.17 | ArtVandalae | d03boy, good learning experience |
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| 10:42.41 | Durham| | how can I use dpkg to repalce prog-name.0.0.1_i386.deb with the newer prog-name.0.1.1_i386.deb? |
| 10:42.52 | quitte | dpkg -i |
| 10:43.10 | Durham| | the old one is replaced? |
| 10:43.23 | ricky_clarkson | If there are no errors, yes. |
| 10:43.24 | Durham| | or do I have to remove it first? |
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| 10:49.14 | Durham| | dpkg -i worked fine :-) |
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| 10:52.39 | Durham| | anyone here who knows about a pcmcia with firewire that works fine with sarge? |
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| 10:54.46 | JosephSpiros | On my one server in particular |
| 10:54.54 | JosephSpiros | whiptail has been running for a few days, apparently |
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| 10:55.07 | JosephSpiros | and its title is "Configuring Exim v4 (exim4-config)" |
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| 10:55.35 | JosephSpiros | thing is, I configured exim on install, and I have changed that configuration using dpkg-reconfigure multiple times since |
| 10:55.40 | simonrvn | um, might as well continue the upgrade ;p |
| 10:55.48 | JosephSpiros | any suggestion for why whiptail keeps running anyway, and how I can stop it? |
| 10:56.04 | simonrvn | kill it, file a bug? :) |
| 10:56.14 | JosephSpiros | it might not be a bug? |
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| 10:56.38 | simonrvn | it should be exiting once it's done. hence, yes, a bug if you exited it normally |
| 10:56.48 | JosephSpiros | no, no |
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| 10:56.55 | JosephSpiros | it's running on boot |
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| 10:57.05 | JosephSpiros | I don't even have access to console |
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| 10:57.16 | JosephSpiros | it's probably running fine, I just don't know why it's running in the first place |
| 10:57.22 | simonrvn | oh, that shit... the init script rund some update-exim thingy |
| 10:57.48 | inc|freaky | if i want to use sarge, but using the nvidia drivers of sid |
| 10:57.55 | inc|freaky | what do i have to set as default release in apt.conf? |
| 10:57.59 | inc|freaky | sid or sarge? |
| 10:58.02 | inc|freaky | or testing? |
| 10:58.31 | simonrvn | just fetch the .deb manually, and install it |
| 10:58.32 | inc|freaky | because today it tries updating the kdelibs from sid ... and in default release theres sid ... but i did never choose it oO |
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| 10:59.28 | AlexW | im in the debian install |
| 10:59.43 | sanxiyn | AlexW: Welcome. |
| 10:59.46 | AlexW | im up to Configure the Network |
| 10:59.55 | AlexW | its trying to configure DHCP |
| 10:59.58 | AlexW | but it isnt working...? |
| 11:00.11 | sanxiyn | And? |
| 11:00.22 | AlexW | in ALT+F4 it has hostname: Host name lookup failure |
| 11:00.32 | TinoW | AlexW: how should we know if its not working? ;) |
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| 11:00.53 | AlexW | and sendpacket: Network is down |
| 11:01.02 | sanxiyn | Are you using DHCP? |
| 11:01.05 | AlexW | yep |
| 11:01.07 | JosephSpiros | simonrvn: OK... so... umm, how do I stop it from doing that? :) |
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| 11:01.27 | raghu | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-12.0.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 11:01.27 | raghu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.27 | raghu | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 11:01.27 | raghu | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:01.27 | raghu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.11 | sanxiyn | AlexW: Try run /sbin/dhclient. What does it say? |
| 11:02.16 | AlexW | anyways to test if debian recognizes my card |
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| 11:03.27 | grozniy | did anybody had problems with alsa after upgrating kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.10 ? |
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| 11:03.34 | sanxiyn | I didn't. |
| 11:03.57 | AlexW | not found |
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| 11:04.37 | fabietto | Hi at all. I've got some problems loading a just compiled 2.6.10 kernel. When I select it from Lilo, the load is stopped after few seconds. Dmseg say me: cardmgr[1361] exiting, xfs[1373] terminating, rpc.stad[1524] caught signal 15 un-registering and exiting, kernel logging (proc) stopped, kernel log daemon terminating. Any idea? :( |
| 11:04.49 | AlexW | but i found dhclient-2.2.x |
| 11:05.22 | nagual | hello, does anyone know of a comprehensive list for bash environment labels? im particularly looking for anything that would change the host. i have a tcl script which mails, and it works fine, i have REPLYTO, USER, MAILFROM etc set, but it still adds @hostname.unf afterwards, which im looking to get rid of. |
| 11:05.31 | AlexW | can't create /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient/leases no such file or directory |
| 11:05.54 | sanxiyn | AlexW: Run as root. |
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| 11:06.09 | silver_dragoon | hi everybody |
| 11:06.19 | AlexW | how... |
| 11:07.05 | silver_dragoon | I recently apt-get upgraded & my system switched to udev + hal + dbus, everything works fine except my prism54 pcmcia card (which worked fine before), now I get : prism54: request_firmware() failed for 'isl3890' |
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| 11:07.07 | no-id | does df show all diskspace ...because its showing 133gb when i have 180gb |
| 11:07.21 | ArtVandalae | no-id, yes. df -h |
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| 11:07.40 | ArtVandalae | But yes, I hate when that happens. You buy a 40Gb HDD, you only get 33GB :S |
| 11:08.06 | Araldit | what is the differens between modprobe.d and the modutils dir??? |
| 11:08.06 | no-id | why is that ? |
| 11:08.07 | AlexW | sanxiyn, how do i run as root... no such thing as su |
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| 11:08.34 | sanxiyn | AlexW: As I already said, I don't remember. I didn't need to do installer troubleshooting for a long time. |
| 11:08.36 | ArtVandalae | AlexW, maybe you're logged in as root already? |
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| 11:09.00 | AlexW | im in ALT+F2 |
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| 11:09.06 | ArtVandalae | AlexW, is there a "#" before the input? |
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| 11:09.17 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me how i can change the listen port of vsftp? |
| 11:09.34 | AlexW | yeh |
| 11:09.48 | clojster | where can I configure my ethernet cards? |
| 11:09.55 | sanxiyn | clojster: Depends. |
| 11:09.57 | clojster | (IPs and such...) |
| 11:09.59 | ArtVandalae | AlexW, there is? So you're already logged in as root |
| 11:10.05 | sanxiyn | clojster: Control Center. |
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| 11:10.30 | clojster | sanxiyn: nono, no guis... at least no kde |
| 11:10.30 | TinoW | clojster: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:10.38 | sanxiyn | AlexW: So... DHCP should work, since it worked before, but it doesn't now? |
| 11:10.38 | no-id | why is dpkg bot not telling me the end of its message ...it just gives me a ... |
| 11:10.41 | clojster | TinoW: thanks! |
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| 11:10.49 | AlexW | nup |
| 11:10.52 | AlexW | worked in 30r2 |
| 11:10.55 | TinoW | clojster: also see man interfaces for reference |
| 11:10.58 | Papero | Buongiorno a tutti!! |
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| 11:11.18 | Papero | Hello to everybody!! |
| 11:11.21 | grozniy | hi, after updating kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.10 on my sony vaio laptop, alsa stoped working properly, i think now it uses modem instead of sound card as a sound device , can anybody help me with that ?(sorry for my bad english :)) |
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| 11:11.47 | simonrvn | your english is ok except for some typos |
| 11:11.57 | Papero | sorry...an italian chat?? |
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| 11:12.02 | grozniy | simonrvn: :) |
| 11:12.03 | inc|freaky | when i have "sid" in APT:Default-Release in apt.conf ... am I running sid then??? |
| 11:12.04 | simonrvn | !italian |
| 11:12.05 | dpkg | somebody said italian was per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 11:12.19 | simonrvn | inc|freaky: no. whatever is in sources.list says so |
| 11:12.22 | silver_dragoon | eth1: could not upload firmware ('isl3890') |
| 11:12.22 | silver_dragoon | but everything was ok before my apt-get upgrade, is it possible there might be missing nodes in /dev ? |
| 11:12.33 | mithro | hi, valgrind seems to segfault straight away? |
| 11:12.34 | inc|freaky | im using sources.list of sarge and sid? |
| 11:12.41 | inc|freaky | but Default-Release in apt.conf is set to sid |
| 11:12.41 | sanxiyn | Belping--: Still there? |
| 11:12.44 | inc|freaky | so im still on sarge? |
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| 11:12.56 | simonrvn | shouldn't mix things. the deps get fucked up |
| 11:13.03 | Belping-- | sanxiyn, yes |
| 11:13.04 | inc|freaky | yea, thats strange |
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| 11:13.08 | inc|freaky | i havent changed anything |
| 11:13.12 | sanxiyn | Belping--: listen_port in vsftpd.conf. man vsftpd.conf |
| 11:13.12 | inc|freaky | should i change it to sarge? |
| 11:13.13 | Noid | if i have the source for a program (rsync), is it possible to compile it so that everything is included and it can be run in any debian box independently of which libraries are there? |
| 11:13.37 | inc|freaky | i just had to add the sid sources so i could install the nvidia driver |
| 11:13.37 | inc|freaky | s |
| 11:13.39 | simonrvn | Noid: you mean statically compiled? |
| 11:13.48 | Noid | simonrvn: i guess so |
| 11:13.48 | Belping-- | sanxiyn, i've already looked through vsftpd.conf and didn't find anything, but i'll check the manual then, thanks |
| 11:14.06 | ArtVandalae | Hm. What was that control center that was being talked about for Debian. I think it was shortened to DCC, or DDC? There was some discussion in the wiki about it? |
| 11:14.06 | sanxiyn | Belping--: Ah, of course, default configuration file doesn't include listen_port comment. |
| 11:14.12 | sanxiyn | Belping--: Do read the man page. |
| 11:14.20 | Belping-- | sanxiyn, ah ok thanks! |
| 11:14.26 | silver_dragoon2 | sorry I was disconnected |
| 11:14.26 | silver_dragoon2 | so, does anyone know about problems appearing with udev + hal concerning prism54 cards ? |
| 11:14.37 | grozniy | anybody ! please help me with alsa !(please read my question above) |
| 11:14.38 | simonrvn | Noid: problem with that is if a lib gets updated for some reason, you won't get the benefit of that. |
| 11:14.39 | Noid | simonrvn: if that means i can take the binary and run it regardless of libraries present in the system, yes |
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| 11:15.00 | simonrvn | Noid: but if you need it, just pass the right ./configure option |
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| 11:15.02 | Paleto | How can I start fdisk with raid? |
| 11:15.22 | Noid | simonrvn: i don't care about that, this is just a quick fix to a problem, too long to explain (well, if you want the details, just pick a comfty chair) (; |
| 11:15.32 | simonrvn | no, thanks :) |
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| 11:15.43 | Noid | simonrvn: i assumed that much hehehe |
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| 11:15.57 | Noid | gonna check the configure script then |
| 11:15.59 | simonrvn | going away soon, so i don't have the time :) |
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| 11:16.16 | simonrvn | "--static" usually. might eed some other thing too |
| 11:16.22 | simonrvn | n |
| 11:16.24 | linnuxxy | when will debian get a graphical Installer? |
| 11:16.37 | simonrvn | linnuxxy: when you write one |
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| 11:16.50 | sanxiyn | linnuxxy: It's planned. |
| 11:17.34 | sanxiyn | linnuxxy: No ETA yet. |
| 11:17.56 | clojster | and maybe a little off-topic, but how can I configure my serial port to work? |
| 11:17.59 | Noid | simonrvn: hmmm i see nothing of the sort in ./configure options, time to dive a bit in there /: |
| 11:18.16 | simonrvn | ./configure --help |
| 11:18.18 | kikko | Someone wnats to tell me somethings? |
| 11:18.28 | kikko | wants |
| 11:18.36 | simonrvn | no |
| 11:18.55 | kikko | thanks |
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| 11:19.02 | sanxiyn | !someone |
| 11:19.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:19.05 | sussudio | !tasso |
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| 11:19.25 | simonrvn | !goofball |
| 11:19.37 | kikko | I'm italian |
| 11:19.43 | sussudio | kikko: tassofungoserpente. |
| 11:20.04 | no-id2 | does anyone know of a linux incremental ftp backup howto ? or an application that does this fairly easily ? |
| 11:20.04 | kikko | grazie... ora va meglio |
| 11:20.05 | Araldit | When I want to load a speciffic module, I add the module to the /etc/modules file.. However, where do I add the options for that module??? |
| 11:20.50 | jm_ | Araldit: man modules |
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| 11:21.47 | AlexW | hrrm got it |
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| 11:22.01 | sanxiyn | Araldit: "Arguments can be given in the same line as the module name." -- modules(5) |
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| 11:22.15 | shedi | do you know of any amd64 apt repository |
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| 11:22.21 | simonrvn | OoO |
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| 11:22.26 | jm_ | shedi: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 11:22.33 | Araldit | sanxiyn: Super.. But what is the two libraries then for... modprobe.d and modutils. |
| 11:22.37 | nagual | hello, does anyone know of a comprehensive list for bash environment labels? im particularly looking for anything that would change the host. i have a tcl script which mails, and it works fine, i have REPLYTO, USER, MAILFROM etc set, but it still adds @hostname.unf afterwards, which im looking to get rid of. (ie, it send it as my@replytoadress@realhostname) (sorry for repeating:) |
| 11:22.45 | shedi | thank you jm_ |
| 11:23.12 | p2-mate | hi simonrvn |
| 11:23.16 | simonrvn | nagual: DNSDOMAINNAME maybe? (wild guess) |
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| 11:23.21 | simonrvn | p2-mate: hey :) |
| 11:23.33 | nagual | ok, ill try that |
| 11:23.53 | nagual | it just seems impossible to find all of bash env labels somewhere, i think im gonna make a list like that, i´ve needed/wanted it before |
| 11:24.04 | simonrvn | nagual: the source |
| 11:24.11 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Haha |
| 11:24.25 | simonrvn | funny but true ;) |
| 11:24.32 | nagual | hehe |
| 11:24.50 | sanxiyn | Better than nothing, indeed. |
| 11:24.58 | simonrvn | f/oss++ |
| 11:25.03 | nagual | i couldnt code my way out of a shoebox,a nd you want me to read bash´s source? :)) |
| 11:25.31 | simonrvn | gotta start somewhere ;) |
| 11:25.34 | nagual | hehe |
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| 11:25.50 | nagual | well, i hadnt thought about it at all, so i guess i have a little more info now :) |
| 11:26.09 | nagual | yea, dnsdomainname didnt work either. ah well. |
| 11:26.11 | simonrvn | yesterday i learned in certain circumstances that a '&' makes a whole lot of difference |
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| 11:27.16 | simonrvn | oh well. like i siad, was a wild guess :) |
| 11:27.19 | simonrvn | said* |
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| 11:30.22 | nagual | yeak, and now you know it doesnt work :) |
| 11:30.32 | simonrvn | yup :) |
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| 11:32.57 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me if the the user is locked in the document root directory when using apache? |
| 11:33.10 | clojster | how to configure SERIAL PORT to work ok? |
| 11:33.13 | Belping-- | because i don't want him to be able to browse my whole harddisk |
| 11:33.45 | simonrvn | Belping--: not chroot(), but yeh, they can,t exit the docroot |
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| 11:34.13 | Belping-- | ok thanks :) |
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| 11:35.09 | Frater_Sx | hi everybody |
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| 11:37.39 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me how i can make sure ntp is updating my clock? |
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| 11:40.11 | Frater_Sx | Belping--, if I knew I would have told you |
| 11:41.03 | bob2 | woo |
| 11:41.05 | jm_ | Belping--: you'll see messages in logs |
| 11:41.08 | bob2 | shrunk my maildir enough to copy it |
| 11:42.45 | Belping-- | thanks jm_ |
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| 11:43.07 | jm_ | grep for ntpd or so, or just use ntpdate manually whenever needed |
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| 11:45.27 | inc|freaky | anyone using debian and compiled the kde3.4rc1 or another kde version? |
| 11:45.40 | inc|freaky | cuz i have no idea, how to tell gdm how to start into kde3.4 |
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| 11:46.27 | clojster | where are in debian stored informations about serial ports? (setserial.conf, serial.conf...) |
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| 11:46.33 | dupondje | hi guys |
| 11:46.33 | dupondje | __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) |
| 11:46.33 | dupondje | VM: killing process sshd |
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| 11:46.45 | dupondje | __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) <- what is this problem ? :s |
| 11:46.54 | Frater_Sx | when I use the WWW with firefox, with a GPRS phone, downloading files make my connection break and I must restart the phone to be able to connect again, but when I am on IRC I can download any file without any problem. |
| 11:47.03 | jm_ | inc|freaky: tell gdm to use Debian session, edit ~/.xsession and it should work |
| 11:47.03 | dupondje | debian woody stable |
| 11:47.06 | dupondje | kernel 2.4.29 |
| 11:47.30 | bob2 | kernel bug |
| 11:47.37 | bob2 | or you've really used all your ram |
| 11:47.39 | bob2 | (I think) |
| 11:47.48 | Frater_Sx | bob2: talking to me? |
| 11:48.00 | bob2 | no, I don't know, sorry. Try emailing d-u (/msg apt d-u). |
| 11:48.03 | bob2 | er, dupondje |
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| 11:48.11 | inc|freaky | jm_: but i just want to get into kde3.4 ... nothing else? |
| 11:48.36 | jm_ | inc|freaky: well either that or install kdm |
| 11:48.57 | inc|freaky | does kdm do it alone? |
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| 11:49.06 | inc|freaky | where can i change from gdm to kdm and vice versa? |
| 11:49.13 | jm_ | apt-get install kdm |
| 11:49.23 | jm_ | dpkg-reconfigure <bladm> |
| 11:49.42 | TinoW | hm. wonder how syslinux would boot my image if I have a initrd (stock) kernel... |
| 11:49.57 | inc|freaky | ok, but i currently got a dependencies problem :\ |
| 11:50.11 | inc|freaky | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:50.11 | inc|freaky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:50.27 | drac | inc|freaky: apt-get update |
| 11:50.28 | luctor | where can I find make-kpkg ? |
| 11:50.35 | drac | luctor: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 11:50.42 | inc|freaky | drac: i did that ... it doesnt help ... i even tried apt-get -f install and it doesnt help either |
| 11:51.07 | luctor | drac: ok |
| 11:51.18 | inc|freaky | its trying to install from sid |
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| 11:51.50 | jm_ | TinoW: syslinux supports initrd kernels |
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| 11:51.57 | Petfrogg | morning |
| 11:52.02 | Petfrogg | or good afternoon |
| 11:52.03 | TinoW | jm_: but then I have two initrds, no? |
| 11:52.07 | Petfrogg | or whatever 8 ) |
| 11:52.10 | jm_ | TinoW: two? |
| 11:52.11 | drac | inc|freaky: no offence, but you shouldn't be using sid at all if you can't get thru this kind of problems. |
| 11:52.20 | inc|freaky | drac: i aint using sid ... |
| 11:52.21 | TinoW | jm_: yes, one is the image with the root fs |
| 11:52.35 | inc|freaky | drac: someone in here wanted me to do it like this, cuz i needed the nvidia drivers |
| 11:52.44 | jm_ | TinoW: I don't follow you |
| 11:52.47 | inc|freaky | when i was first installing debian |
| 11:53.06 | Petfrogg | i need to mak a RAID1 on a server - can i use debian stable or should i use a debian testing? what kernel should i use? 2.6? anyone done it and can point me to a nice howto? |
| 11:53.08 | inc|freaky | now, all the days nothing went wrong and i didnt change anything, now suddenly i start becomming problems |
| 11:53.17 | inc|freaky | :( |
| 11:53.19 | TinoW | jm_: well, I made a root fs with simple tools, now I use a generic kernel with it which brings another initrd |
| 11:53.25 | simonrvn | inc|freaky: i never told you to edit sources.list. you did that on your own |
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| 11:53.27 | inc|freaky | what should i write into the apt.conf file as Default-Release? |
| 11:53.38 | simonrvn | dumbass |
| 11:53.46 | jm_ | TinoW: ahh, that's what initrd image must handle - its task is to remount the real rootfs |
| 11:53.48 | inc|freaky | simonrvn: it wasnt you. it was someone else, who did some dpkg-commands which told me to do it like that |
| 11:54.00 | inc|freaky | i had to update the kernel, too |
| 11:54.05 | TinoW | jm_: how will it find the real root fs? |
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| 11:54.22 | simonrvn | i remove the dumbass comment |
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| 11:56.46 | TinoW | jm_: ah, it looks like the initrd img is created on install out of /lib/modules, so I can just skip it |
| 11:56.48 | Skaag | I'm about to replace a kernel on a box that has a 3Ware raid adapter, debian is booting from the raid, and my kernel has an initrd file, question is: if I put the 3w-9xxx module in /etc/modules will this be enough? or will the kernel load and not be able to find the controller unless it is compiled statically in the kernel? |
| 11:56.52 | jm_ | TinoW: that's what you specify when you create it |
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| 11:57.20 | bob2 | Skaag: it'll need to be in the initrd |
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| 11:58.05 | Skaag | bob2: When I install the kernel, I think it builds an initrd, so the question is, how does it know to include that module? |
| 11:58.32 | Skaag | or is this a stupid question because it takes all modules? |
| 11:58.32 | drac | inc|freaky: apt-get remove --purge kdelibs3 kdelibs4 && apt-get update && apt-get install kde, it it doesn't work.. go all way to sid, or reinstall sarge. |
| 11:58.40 | drac | s/it it/if it/ |
| 11:59.02 | bob2 | Skaag: that's a good question |
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| 11:59.04 | bob2 | :-) |
| 11:59.28 | jm_ | Skaag: that's one of the tasks of creating initrd image |
| 11:59.45 | androse | Hello. I'm trying to get various PHP functions that use libxml2 to work. I have installed libxml-dev libxml1 libxml2 libxml2-dev libxslt1 libxslt1-dev php4-pear pkg-config php4-domxml php4-dev, and then restarted Apache, but it still doesn't work. phpinfo() tells me that PHP was configured with --with-dom=shared,/usr and I can see the libxml libs in /usr/include. Any suggestions ? |
| 12:00.12 | inc|freaky | drac: i did it almost like that ... np, got it fixed |
| 12:00.21 | bob2 | androse: er, you don't need header files for binary php modules to work |
| 12:00.24 | Skaag | maybe it's best that I make it run, then analyze the initrd file manually |
| 12:00.29 | bob2 | androse: php4-domxml should be plenty |
| 12:00.33 | RichiH | what's the name of the kde cd ripping tool, again? |
| 12:00.33 | Skaag | (before I boot) |
| 12:00.52 | Skaag | actually I put a panic=10 line so hopefully it will boot back into the correct kernel |
| 12:00.53 | androse | bob2: yeah, I got that far yesterday, but it still doesn't work... |
| 12:01.06 | nagual | hm, this really bugs me. i even have the host that should be the 'from' host on the same machine |
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| 12:06.22 | luctor | to run make on a kernel modul do I need more than the kernel-source-2.6.10 package ? |
| 12:06.37 | lok | #j debian-br |
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| 12:07.05 | jm_ | luctor: yes, definitely |
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| 12:07.53 | RichiH | luctor: you need the headers. if you compile the source with the right config, you have the headers in there, too |
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| 12:08.20 | jm_ | you'll also need a compiler and make at minimum :) |
| 12:08.22 | woodefec | oh gheee lotta people here! |
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| 12:09.06 | bertz | hello I have a question regarding powerpc installation with netinst verison of sarge |
| 12:09.23 | PerfDave | luctor: Which kernel module are you trying to make? |
| 12:09.55 | bertz | followed a useful set of instruction provided at http://animefreak.ath.cx:9000/index.php/2004/08/06/installation-of-debian-linux-on-a-powermac-g3-beige/ |
| 12:10.08 | luctor | PerfDave: pwc |
| 12:10.13 | quitte | bertz #debian-ppc |
| 12:10.17 | jm_ | bertz: /msg dpkg ask |
| 12:10.21 | bertz | shit sorry! |
| 12:10.22 | bertz | cheers |
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| 12:10.55 | luctor | what is the difference of kernel-image...-K7 and kernel-image....-K7-smp ? |
| 12:11.15 | quitte | luctor: smp is for multiprocessor systems |
| 12:11.56 | luctor | quitte: ok |
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| 12:12.44 | kneet | just curious - what should be used for a hyperthreading CPU - smp or not? |
| 12:12.44 | PerfDave | luctor: Might be worth checking to see whether module-assistant can automate the process for you. |
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| 12:14.35 | Skaag | Ok it looks like the initrd indeed contains the 3w-9xxx.ko module |
| 12:14.39 | Skaag | goodie :-) |
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| 12:15.46 | Skaag | Does grub have a similar facility as lilo -R <label> |
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| 12:16.53 | Belping-- | can anyone recommend a program that shows the total upload and download speed? |
| 12:16.56 | RedGlow | kneet: I think SMP, but if I ain't wrong, it isn't enough to set up SMP in the .config, but perhaps debian SMP kernel already have needed stuff up |
| 12:17.06 | sml | Belping--: ipref |
| 12:17.22 | Belping-- | thanks sml |
| 12:17.45 | kneet | heh - OK - I'll do some reading - the only box round here with HT at the moment is XP :-( |
| 12:18.11 | RedGlow | what a shame :-) |
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| 12:18.41 | kneet | not my box - but am looking at some new h/w soon |
| 12:18.52 | ArtVandalae | kneet, yeah SMP |
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| 12:20.23 | Kvant | RedGlow, yes it is enough, the bios will tell the kernel that there are 2 cpu:s, and linux will use "them" |
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| 12:20.56 | RedGlow | ah, ok. |
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| 12:21.31 | luctor | Im installing a logitech 4000pro cam and just installed the pwc modules and loaded it, what else do I need of drivers ? |
| 12:21.33 | kneet | Interesting thing is that the XP box only "uses" both under photoshop - otherwise it shows only one at all times - is the kernel a little smarter? Not used SMP before |
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| 12:22.20 | bertz | any ideas as to why there wouldnt appear to a root.bin in my netinst sarge for powerpc? |
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| 12:22.31 | bertz | did try debian-powerpc empty as a tramps wallet |
| 12:22.33 | valdyn | RedGlow: you want to activate SMT too. Should be on in debian smp kernels |
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| 12:23.08 | RedGlow | oh, I won't, since I have no hyperthreading cpu around, sadly ;-D |
| 12:23.10 | Adrian | ok |
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| 12:23.32 | kneet | but it's nice to know that if/when I get a HT CPU the debian stock kernels should work :) |
| 12:23.35 | zophyx | how can i get totem to play wmv's ? |
| 12:24.02 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 12:24.02 | dpkg | methinks marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 12:24.18 | valdyn | zophyx: ^^^ you might need codecs from that repository |
| 12:24.26 | tittof | any decent howto woody -> sarge? |
| 12:24.42 | valdyn | !woody-sarge |
| 12:24.42 | zophyx | i have that in my sources.lst |
| 12:25.04 | simonrvn | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 12:25.04 | dpkg | it has been said that woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". This upgrade is not painless (yet). it is less painless, so there, or consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 afterwards if you're not confident with linux hardware management. ... |
| 12:25.05 | zophyx | i am tooooo lame to think about this, i jus twant to click Nd point |
| 12:25.12 | bertz | bootX requires it which is why its an arse |
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| 12:25.53 | bertz | would appear that things have changed since the reference material im looking at was created since they refer to powermac folder as opposed to what is not the powerpc folder |
| 12:26.06 | bertz | sorry now |
| 12:26.08 | simonrvn | bertz: http://people.debian.org/~luther/debian-installer/ look for the floppy-2.4 |
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| 12:26.26 | simonrvn | bertz: use less recent stuff, like from february |
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| 12:27.27 | bertz | simonrvn: cheers i shall have a look and give it ago |
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| 12:31.48 | luctor | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.54 | luctor | in vlc |
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| 12:32.51 | ricky_clarkson | Do you reckon http only has those :// because of a bad smiley? |
| 12:33.11 | ricky_clarkson | "What shall we call it?" "http ://" "let's remove that space" |
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| 12:33.34 | streuner | apt, wake up! |
| 12:34.20 | apt | up!: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 12:34.21 | bodq | ricky_clarkson: reference? |
| 12:34.21 | ricky_clarkson | bodq: Eh? |
| 12:34.21 | bodq | ricky_clarkson: unless that was a joke, prove it |
| 12:34.21 | streuner | !tell Ryanw -about root |
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| 12:34.21 | ricky_clarkson | bodq: It was a joke. |
| 12:34.21 | ricky_clarkson | bodq: Anyway, dict reckon |
| 12:34.21 | daffy-pkf | i need a little help, since my reinstallation, the fonts are displayed the same way in xterm and emacs (and probably other programs...). Before they were smaller and less ugly, now it's like they are just big pixels joined together |
| 12:34.25 | daffy-pkf | how can i fix that? |
| 12:34.26 | bodq | ricky_clarkson: sorry then |
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| 12:34.55 | daffy-pkf | i was thinking a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig could help, but it's not |
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| 12:35.26 | possie | how can i change the DPI of my xwindow? cause i have a 40" TFT screen attachted to my computer, but it's not a clear picture |
| 12:35.38 | LordKahless | when i load X, shouldnt it read my ~/.Xdefaults file automatically? i keep having to do xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults after i load X |
| 12:35.40 | possie | also i can't get a resolution of 1280x768 |
| 12:35.45 | ricky_clarkson | possie: Show-off ;) |
| 12:35.46 | bodq | possie: you should be able to hire a consultant |
| 12:36.28 | bodq | possie: and please don't tell us you *are* the consultant :) |
| 12:36.30 | possie | ricky_clarkson: ahah :-) |
| 12:36.39 | LordKahless | is there something i need to set so it reads .Xdefaults or something? |
| 12:36.40 | daww | Is mkfs format before it makes the filesystem? |
| 12:36.55 | bodq | LordKahless: xrdb ? |
| 12:37.08 | possie | bodq: no, i'm just playing with the thing |
| 12:37.24 | streuner | daww: rephrase the question, please. |
| 12:37.27 | LordKahless | X server resource database utility :p |
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| 12:39.08 | LordKahless | any ideas? |
| 12:39.21 | daww | streuner, If I have a partition with ext2 as filesystem and want to format it and add ext3 as a the new filesystem, do I have to format it before i run mkfs.ext3 or is mkfs format it? |
| 12:39.38 | ricky_clarkson | daww: man tune2fs |
| 12:39.41 | streuner | daww: /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 12:39.56 | possie | bodq: but you don't know anything about highresolution xwga display either i guess ;) |
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| 12:40.13 | streuner | daww: you are adding only an journal to the existing FS |
| 12:41.25 | daww | streuner, and that will convert ext2 to ext3? |
| 12:41.36 | streuner | daww: yes |
| 12:41.41 | daww | streuner, ok |
| 12:41.46 | streuner | !ext2->ext3 |
| 12:42.26 | streuner | i heard ext2->ext3 is To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
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| 12:43.35 | daww | streuner, why not just mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1? |
| 12:43.54 | ricky_clarkson | Because mkfs would write over the existing partition. |
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| 12:44.12 | streuner | daww: Are you blind? or why didn't you read what dpkg told you? |
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| 12:44.22 | daww | ricky_clarkson, mkfs IS format then as I asked? |
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| 12:45.03 | giggsey | anyone active? |
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| 12:45.13 | streuner | just ask |
| 12:45.23 | xk | hrm... |
| 12:45.29 | ricky_clarkson | daww: No, mkfs is mkfs. |
| 12:45.47 | giggsey | how do I set up dual booting with Debian (actually Knoppix hd-installed) and Windows ME, atm I can't boot into Linux because I broke the boot floppy |
| 12:45.49 | daxxar | Hm. |
| 12:45.52 | daxxar | "debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't locate Debconf/Log.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6/i686-linux /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.6 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line 4." |
| 12:46.02 | daxxar | I get that when I do apt-get install perl, what could cause it? o_0 |
| 12:46.15 | streuner | giggsey: /msg dpkg knoppix2debian |
| 12:46.17 | daww | ricky_clarkson, yes it make filesystem but you told me that it would overwrite the partition |
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| 12:46.24 | streuner | giggsey: man lilo.conf |
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| 12:46.39 | possie | !xorg |
| 12:46.39 | dpkg | well, xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 12:46.45 | giggsey | i cant boot into Linux, so I can't use lilo |
| 12:46.59 | xk | daxxar: got debconf installed? dpkg --listfiles debconf| grep Log.pm |
| 12:47.06 | ricky_clarkson | daww: Yes, you will lose the data. |
| 12:47.42 | daww | ricky_clarkson, why will I lose data if it doesn't format the partition? |
| 12:47.51 | streuner | giggsey: just use the knoppix-CD then |
| 12:48.12 | ricky_clarkson | daww: It will format the partition. |
| 12:48.12 | daxxar | xk: # dpkg --listfiles debconf| grep Log.pm |
| 12:48.12 | daxxar | /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Log.pm |
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| 12:48.33 | streuner | giggsey: or use d-i (/msg dpkg d-i) |
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| 12:48.47 | xk | daxxar: check if it exists, with ls -la |
| 12:48.54 | daww | ricky_clarkson, ok, and how can i format a partition without add a filesystem then |
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| 12:49.10 | ricky_clarkson | daww: Why would you want to? |
| 12:49.14 | xk | daxxar: how come isn't /usr/share/perl5 isn't in your @INC path? |
| 12:49.24 | xk | s/isn't// |
| 12:49.47 | daxxar | xk, it exists. |
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| 12:49.50 | iftrouble | can anyone plz tell me what /var/log/news/news.crit is? do i need this file? do i need at a all the directory /var/log/news/ on my home pc? |
| 12:50.00 | giggsey | streuner: i have used the cd, but i can't remember the command to load it from the hd3 (i can easily get that), also i don't know what to do with lilo |
| 12:50.04 | daxxar | xk, no idea. let me check if any of the devs have fucekd with the perl |
| 12:50.15 | xk | daxxar: "whereis perl" |
| 12:50.33 | streuner | giggsey: man lilo.conf |
| 12:50.36 | jmalicki | Can anyone point me at a good example of a proper implemntation of BSD license attribution in a commercial product? |
| 12:50.45 | streuner | giggsey: for the last question |
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| 12:50.52 | jmalicki | just asking here since debian people tend to know more about license type stuff... |
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| 12:51.04 | Frater_Sx | when I use the WWW with firefox, with a GPRS phone, downloading files make my connection break and I must restart the phone to be able to connect again, but when I am on IRC I can download any file without any problem. anyone knows how can I find the problem? |
| 12:51.23 | giggsey | streuner: so thats what i do to configure the lilo stuff, to set up dual booting? |
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| 12:51.42 | streuner | giggsey: yep |
| 12:51.45 | jmalicki | frater_sx: i assume it wants bidirectional communication? |
| 12:51.46 | giggsey | kk |
| 12:51.47 | xk | hrm |
| 12:51.49 | giggsey | thx |
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| 12:52.01 | jmalicki | frater_sx: like, it probably drops if you don't send a packet every so often thats's not an ACK |
| 12:52.06 | zimo | hi |
| 12:52.20 | Frater_Sx | jmalicki, I see |
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| 12:52.38 | jmalicki | frater_sx: the irc protocol does have lower level bidirectional stuff usually |
| 12:52.40 | S4nD3r_ | How to discover, how many users is connect at my server? |
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| 12:52.44 | petemc | S4nD3r_: w |
| 12:52.50 | jmalicki | s4nd3r_: type who |
| 12:52.51 | jmalicki | or w |
| 12:52.52 | S4nD3r_ | Ohhh... |
| 12:52.52 | petemc | S4nD3r_: fsvo connected |
| 12:52.56 | S4nD3r_ | I have forgot it |
| 12:53.06 | jmalicki | petemc: whats that? |
| 12:53.13 | petemc | !+fsvo |
| 12:53.13 | dpkg | well, fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 12:53.22 | elnovato | mornig |
| 12:53.33 | jmalicki | aaah |
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| 12:54.00 | elnovato | i want to convert my computer in 2 desktops with their own keyboard monitor and mouse, i have all hardware necesary i need help to config?? |
| 12:54.36 | jethro | elnovato: no you don't _need_ help |
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| 12:55.01 | elnovato | jethro: what do i need? |
| 12:55.05 | sussudio | elnovato: badger? |
| 12:55.15 | elnovato | whats that badger? |
| 12:55.26 | Frater_Sx | jmalicki, how can I fix that? |
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| 12:55.36 | sussudio | elnovato: that made about as much sense as your question |
| 12:55.53 | xk | I'm having weird timer problems with 2.6.x kernel and SMP... even lftp's ETA display is affected. Any ideas on how I can diagnose the problem? |
| 12:56.03 | jethro | hahaha |
| 12:56.07 | petemc | sounds to me like he wants two desktop users on one computer |
| 12:56.10 | luctor | how can I tell what usb devices are hooked up |
| 12:56.11 | jethro | !cluebat elnovato |
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| 12:56.32 | xk | !cluebyfour erp |
| 12:56.41 | xk | !cluebyfour |
| 12:56.45 | xk | hrm |
| 12:56.49 | sussudio | !lose xk |
| 12:56.50 | dpkg | xk: You Lose. |
| 12:56.51 | jmalicki | frater_sx: always irc while you download |
| 12:57.00 | sussudio | !listkeys clue |
| 12:57.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clue' by key (15 of 35): clue by four ;; clue deficit ;; cluebat ;; cluefinder ;; clueless-luser ;; cluephone ;; cluepon ;; cluetrain ;; do you have a clue ;; factoid clue ;; get a clue ;; glibc2.1cluebat ;; i haven't a clue ;; ubercluebat! ;; upercluebat. |
| 12:57.06 | xk | ;) |
| 12:57.15 | sussudio | !clue by four |
| 12:57.21 | jmalicki | frater_sx: it sounds like your GPRS provider doesn't want to allow you to just download files |
| 12:57.29 | Frater_Sx | jmalicki, I'll try, thanks =) |
| 12:57.34 | jmalicki | frater_sx: and is probably PURPOSELY breaking the connection ;) |
| 12:57.40 | jmalicki | frater_sx: this is just a guess though ;) |
| 12:57.41 | elnovato | jethro: whats the solution then? |
| 12:57.48 | xk | I love 2.6.x and SMP... it's so broken. |
| 12:57.52 | jmalicki | errr... purposefully? |
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| 12:58.26 | Frater_Sx | jmalicki, with Windows XP I can download anything without any problem even with WWW |
| 12:58.27 | petemc | elnovato: have you googled? |
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| 12:58.55 | jmalicki | frater_sx: you didnt mention that |
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| 12:59.13 | elnovato | petemc: yes, nothing, but i heard is posible ... |
| 12:59.14 | jmalicki | frater_sx: try taking a tcpdump of what happens when you download and are disconnected |
| 12:59.39 | petemc | elnovato: i think you need to improve your google fu... |
| 12:59.43 | jmalicki | frater_sx: XP might be doing something different |
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| 12:59.57 | elnovato | any clue? |
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| 13:00.06 | Frater_Sx | jmalicki, how do I take a tcp dump? |
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| 13:00.52 | petemc | dpkg: fgi elnovato multiple keyboard mice linux |
| 13:00.53 | dpkg | elnovato: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=multiple keyboard mice linux |
| 13:01.09 | petemc | bah |
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| 13:01.10 | jethro | ha! dpkg you lack <url></url>! |
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| 13:02.21 | sussudio | how do you even assign multiple keyboards? i can understand one being ps2 and the other usb... |
| 13:02.38 | jethro | du |
| 13:02.39 | petemc | sussudio: there seems to be a number of ways to do it |
| 13:02.55 | jethro | The requested URL /search was not found on this server. |
| 13:02.59 | sussudio | petemc: the system will just respond to both in the same way |
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| 13:03.01 | jethro | someone broke jfgi.com |
| 13:03.02 | jethro | :/ |
| 13:03.24 | petemc | sussudio: no, smarter people than you or i have thought about that already |
| 13:03.34 | PloKy | manuellll!!!!! |
| 13:03.42 | mnl | pacoooooooo |
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| 13:04.06 | sussudio | petemc: you can actually buy a plugin card with multiple video/mouse/keyboard, but that's a hardware solution |
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| 13:05.01 | petemc | sussudio: in ireland, people make "soda farls" , its a bread type affair, delicious |
| 13:05.19 | sussudio | petemc: your people also make compaq parts. |
| 13:05.25 | petemc | we do? |
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| 13:05.30 | sussudio | petemc: yes. made in ireland. |
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| 13:05.46 | petemc | id have thought it would have been cheaper to make them in asia somewhere |
| 13:05.48 | linex__ | Aqui toi |
| 13:05.54 | sussudio | petemc: european subsidies |
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| 13:05.58 | petemc | ah |
| 13:05.58 | linex_ | olaaaa |
| 13:06.07 | sussudio | ok, rimatard evacuation time |
| 13:06.15 | sussudio | PloKy, linex_: go away |
| 13:06.51 | linex_ | ijos de putsa por ke le dais la tabarra a lbuestra puta madre?????????????' |
| 13:06.57 | sussudio | sigh. |
| 13:06.57 | jethro | omg |
| 13:07.05 | linex_ | a ko mola |
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| 13:07.29 | mnl | to puta madre xaval |
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| 13:07.55 | simonrvn | damn bunch of idiots joining i see |
| 13:07.55 | eduardoramos | oi... |
| 13:08.01 | sussudio | !ops please remove the rimatards, mnl, linex__, PloKy... |
| 13:08.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove the rimatards, mnl, linex__, PloKy... |
| 13:08.08 | simonrvn | go away spammer scum |
| 13:08.09 | nokia6000 | how muchow much money per year ($US) does a LAN administrator make for supporting a 300 machine-network? |
| 13:08.11 | eduardoramos | alguem do brasil? |
| 13:08.24 | eduardoramos | brasilian users? |
| 13:08.29 | eduardoramos | here! |
| 13:08.32 | simonrvn | !portuguese |
| 13:08.33 | dpkg | [portuguese] the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:08.36 | elnovato | hola garota de ipanema |
| 13:08.39 | simonrvn | there -> |
| 13:08.46 | eduardoramos | opa... |
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| 13:10.04 | nvz | damn firefox! |
| 13:10.16 | nvz | I cant get DTA to start all of a sudden |
| 13:10.46 | no-id2 | how can i make a dump backup to a hard drive that dump is on ...? + how can i pass the dump through gzip ? |
| 13:11.38 | simonrvn | man it |
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| 13:12.17 | no-id2 | i did still can understand ...i even googled it |
| 13:12.23 | glisha_gng_ | poz maso!! |
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| 13:13.35 | lzsilva | hello all |
| 13:14.12 | nvz | fuck! my DTA extension just worked a second ago, now it wont come up at all, even after restarting firefox |
| 13:14.25 | lzsilva | how can I see if the all processors are working... |
| 13:14.37 | ricky_clarkson | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:14.37 | valdyn | lzsilva: top |
| 13:14.50 | lzsilva | cpuinfo shows 4 processors.... |
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| 13:15.06 | nevyn | define working. |
| 13:15.16 | nevyn | as in are they doing work right now? or are they recognised by the system |
| 13:15.17 | valdyn | !work |
| 13:15.17 | dpkg | methinks work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room?, or see play =-) |
| 13:15.26 | lzsilva | but top only show 1 |
| 13:15.35 | petemc | top wont by default, you need to press "1" |
| 13:15.54 | lzsilva | Cpu(s): 0.0% us, 0.1% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.9% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 13:15.57 | daww | How can I paste to bash in XFree86? |
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| 13:16.08 | petemc | lzsilva: press 1... |
| 13:16.36 | nevyn | lzsilva: you're not running anything that needs work. |
| 13:16.36 | lzsilva | petemc, ......works... |
| 13:16.36 | lzsilva | :-) |
| 13:16.36 | lzsilva | thanks !! |
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| 13:16.56 | nvz | well its back :p good thing too I was about to ... to ... well maybe not |
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| 13:20.29 | sussudio | !ops BaHaMuT spamming |
| 13:20.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BaHaMuT spamming |
| 13:20.31 | jerome | daww: use button 2 after getting the text you wanted slected |
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| 13:26.30 | ArdieM | you got any howto for me that explains how to find the right sounddriver and how to install it ??? |
| 13:27.08 | abrotman | use discover ... |
| 13:27.12 | abrotman | !tell ArdieM about audio |
| 13:27.16 | abrotman | !tell ArdieM about sound |
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| 13:28.45 | xk | xk? |
| 13:28.50 | xk | I don't have ops. |
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| 13:29.15 | Frater_Sx | bye |
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| 13:29.17 | ricky_clarkson | xk: Um, yes you do. |
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| 13:29.21 | xk | lol. I do. |
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| 13:29.28 | ArtVandalae | Hahaha, and you though you didn't have op ;) |
| 13:29.31 | ArtVandalae | *thought |
| 13:29.40 | xk | ArtVandalae: yeah. I haven't been in this channel for like 4 years :) |
| 13:29.46 | bob2 | xk: danke |
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| 13:29.52 | abrotman | bob2: and the spam bot ? |
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| 13:30.03 | abrotman | !prize bob2 |
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| 13:30.16 | xk | how many bans are on this channel? |
| 13:30.24 | xk | there's like 230. |
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| 13:30.34 | bob2 | a stupid number |
| 13:30.35 | abrotman | you wanna be next!? |
| 13:30.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:30.48 | bob2 | so, who knows anything about snmpd? |
| 13:31.06 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: xk has a higher access level than bob2 anyway. |
| 13:31.06 | xk | where can I disable bitchx's kick if in banlist? |
| 13:31.15 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: it was a joke .. i know |
| 13:31.30 | xk | bob2: what about snmpd? |
| 13:31.35 | SlayerXP | xk: /join #bitchx |
| 13:31.43 | bob2 | xk: like how to configure it to know about my interfaces |
| 13:31.48 | ArdieM | 50 Cent gab gestern öffentlich bekannt, dass The Game nicht mehr ein Teil der G-Unit ist. Gleichzeitig wurde einem Mann, der zu seiner Entourage gehörte, ins Bein geschossen. |
| 13:31.53 | xk | bob2: network interfaces? |
| 13:31.57 | bob2 | xk: right |
| 13:31.58 | jm_ | bob2: it does, it just doesn't give you access to it |
| 13:32.03 | ricky_clarkson | Would the real bob2 please stand up, please stand up, please stand up? |
| 13:32.05 | bob2 | hah |
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| 13:32.12 | ArdieM | abrotman: what chu mean ? |
| 13:32.17 | xk | bob2: search for "access MyROSystem", under read, change system to all. |
| 13:32.17 | abrotman | chu? |
| 13:32.23 | bob2 | is ArdieM babbling or spamming? |
| 13:32.24 | jharrisonwk | bob2: a little |
| 13:32.26 | xk | bob2: I think that's if you run mrtg on another box. |
| 13:32.28 | jm_ | yeah do what xk said |
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| 13:32.33 | bob2 | hm, thanks |
| 13:32.38 | bob2 | this is on localhost, tho |
| 13:32.53 | xk | although... I'm not sure what "system" is supposed to mean. |
| 13:32.54 | jm_ | yes, it doesn't allow it even for localhost for community public |
| 13:32.57 | ArdieM | im sorry... |
| 13:32.59 | xk | that's stupid. |
| 13:33.02 | jm_ | system is a view |
| 13:33.06 | ArdieM | abro_: i got it, never mind me ^^ thanks |
| 13:33.08 | bob2 | ah |
| 13:33.21 | abrotman | there's a new variation |
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| 13:33.47 | xk | SlayerXP: #bitchx doesn't exist on this network... and I'm probably banned from #bitchx since 1997 :) |
| 13:33.50 | nvz | abrotman: you're here aweful early :P |
| 13:33.53 | jharrisonwk | bob2: you should be able to snmpwalk your localhost |
| 13:33.59 | abrotman | nvz: snow day! |
| 13:34.00 | bob2 | xk: jm_ yay, thanks |
| 13:34.03 | abrotman | nvz: i think |
| 13:34.15 | petemc | therefore you do |
| 13:34.17 | bob2 | well, I coulda saved two hours of my life by just asking you guys |
| 13:34.25 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: i can now ;) |
| 13:34.32 | xk | bob2: heh. I found out how to get it working from here! |
| 13:34.39 | nvz | abrotman: oh happy happy, joy joy.. I am comming into Dahntahn Picksburgh, and its freakin snowing. |
| 13:34.40 | bob2 | xk: is that unsafe to leave set to 'all'? |
| 13:34.51 | abrotman | nvz: for the whole week i think |
| 13:35.09 | xk | bob2: well... just firewall the port off from external interfaces. |
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| 13:35.12 | nvz | abrotman: my radar acttually looks clear right now, its was all white last night |
| 13:35.14 | jharrisonwk | bob2: ok so now you can set up mrtg or rrdtool or whatever you are doing with snmp |
| 13:35.15 | bob2 | ah, good point |
| 13:35.19 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: yeah |
| 13:35.22 | abrotman | nvz: check the forecast |
| 13:35.38 | jharrisonwk | bob2: rrdtool is nice |
| 13:35.52 | nvz | abrotman: yeah the day I am comming in is the worst :P |
| 13:35.55 | jharrisonwk | what the hell |
| 13:35.56 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: mrtg graphs snmp data, right? |
| 13:36.01 | bob2 | how does rrdtool fit in? |
| 13:36.02 | abrotman | nvz: 12 with sleet ? |
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| 13:36.26 | jm_ | bob2: it gives out a shitload of info, compare snmpwalk localhost public with all and with system - snmpd honours hosts.allow/deny, but it's probably better to firewall it |
| 13:36.27 | jharrisonwk | bob2: yes it does but rrdtool is the next generation mrtg |
| 13:36.40 | jharrisonwk | bob2: its a bit more complicated but its worth it |
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| 13:36.49 | abrotman | !slug paulswm |
| 13:36.52 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: hm |
| 13:36.56 | jm_ | bob2: munin doesn't need snmpd ;) |
| 13:36.57 | jharrisonwk | bob2: its written by the same guy that did mrtg |
| 13:36.57 | bob2 | jm_: ah, I see, thanks |
| 13:37.02 | xk | yeah, I use rrdtool to graph temperature/relative humidity/air pressure |
| 13:37.04 | jharrisonwk | bob2: it has more features and functionality |
| 13:37.05 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: ah |
| 13:37.16 | bob2 | so where's cricket in all this? |
| 13:37.17 | bob2 | ala mrtg? |
| 13:37.20 | nvz | abrotman: well they are calling for what seems to be a recipe for freezing rain and lots of wind |
| 13:37.30 | jharrisonwk | bob2: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ |
| 13:37.30 | jm_ | cricket is a front-end to rrdtool |
| 13:37.38 | xk | is it possible to graph maximum values (per day) with rrdtool? |
| 13:37.41 | bob2 | ah |
| 13:37.51 | jm_ | just like munin |
| 13:37.55 | jharrisonwk | you can graph anything with rrdtool |
| 13:38.01 | jharrisonwk | just look at the site |
| 13:38.04 | jharrisonwk | they have many examples |
| 13:38.06 | abrotman | nvz: yay |
| 13:38.07 | bob2 | it seems there's a postfix thing for mrtg, too |
| 13:38.09 | nvz | I'd say in about another half hour or so I am going to have to get off here, and take myy hd out and get it packed |
| 13:38.11 | xk | jharrisonwk: well... I tried to do it... but no go :) |
| 13:38.11 | bob2 | which would be pretty pimp |
| 13:38.22 | nvz | still need it to burn some cds to listen to |
| 13:38.26 | xk | average() works... but I want maximum value in a day (like one data point a day) |
| 13:38.52 | xk | or do I need to construct another rrd database and fill it manually? |
| 13:38.56 | jm_ | munin also has postfix plugins |
| 13:38.56 | jharrisonwk | xk: it is a bit more complicaated then mrtg |
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| 13:39.07 | jharrisonwk | xk: but if you read the documentation its not so bad |
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| 13:39.15 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: so, once snmpd is spitting out info, I need to configure rrdtool to read it in? |
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| 13:39.19 | nvz | this is probablly the 2nd time I have seen xk, in the 3+years I've been hangin around here |
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| 13:39.21 | bob2 | then cricket to read rrdtool's db? |
| 13:39.23 | xk | jharrisonwk: well... what I want doesn't seem to be possible without the hack I described. |
| 13:39.26 | jharrisonwk | bob2: yes something liek that |
| 13:39.35 | bob2 | jharrisonwk: cool, thanks |
| 13:39.38 | zaikxtox | hello. is there some tool to set the ACL of files graphically? |
| 13:39.42 | jharrisonwk | bob2: your welcome |
| 13:39.43 | xk | nvz: heh. |
| 13:39.44 | bob2 | I wonder if this is a good project to embark on at 0040 |
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| 13:39.51 | zaikxtox | i mean, to let my users use that on a ext3 partitions |
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| 13:39.59 | abrotman | nvz: crazy eh? :) |
| 13:40.10 | jharrisonwk | rrdtool is ok if you read the docs |
| 13:40.12 | jm_ | bob2: also look at munin, it's really simple to add your own plugins to it |
| 13:40.18 | jharrisonwk | if you dont it might scramble your brains |
| 13:40.31 | takatumi | munin is cool and works almost out of the box. |
| 13:40.32 | xk | jharrisonwk: well.. finding good examples was a bitch for me. |
| 13:40.40 | bob2 | hm |
| 13:40.56 | jharrisonwk | xk: the site has all the information you need now it seems |
| 13:41.03 | nvz | abrotman: yeah expecially when sussudio just did !ops momments earlier I seen 'xk' in the list, and I was thinking to myself, what's he even in there for, he's never said anythhing in here |
| 13:41.04 | jharrisonwk | xk: tons of docs and examples and such |
| 13:41.34 | abrotman | nvz: hehe .. well who is ljlane ? |
| 13:41.45 | xk | nvz: never? maybe not in the last 4 years, but before that, for sure. |
| 13:41.50 | jharrisonwk | in the gallery section they have all kinds of examples of people graphing the growth of their hair and weird stuff like that |
| 13:41.53 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 13:41.54 | jm_ | yes, xk was quite active back then |
| 13:42.06 | nvz | abrotman: I don't know. *shrug* |
| 13:42.10 | abrotman | nvz: when is the last time you saw netsnipe or TML or walters? |
| 13:42.18 | xk | yeah... where's netsnipe? |
| 13:42.32 | abrotman | wait .. Hydroxide is actually here? |
| 13:42.34 | greycat | !seen netsnipe |
| 13:42.34 | dpkg | netsnipe <~netsnipe@c211-30-49-101.mirnd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 23h 14m ago, saying: 'dpkg: alsa'. |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | whoa |
| 13:42.41 | greycat | hrm. I missed him. |
| 13:42.43 | paulswm | jharrisonwk: People with far too much time on their hands, evidently :) |
| 13:42.44 | xk | I remember the last time I saw him, he said "here's my number... you can contact me if you don't see me on irc for a while" |
| 13:42.52 | jharrisonwk | paulswm: yes of course |
| 13:43.06 | jm_ | ahh a big pause from sep 2003 - 2004 for xk ;) |
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| 13:43.18 | nvz | I dont know that Doogie or whateveer either |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | i've seen d0ugie :) |
| 13:43.41 | nvz | ah, thats why :P |
| 13:43.42 | xk | doogie houser |
| 13:43.58 | nvz | I recognise it put like that |
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| 13:44.11 | Marticus | tml hangs on #php |
| 13:44.28 | abrotman | that doesn't help us |
| 13:44.31 | xk | I'm going to retire my good old dual celeron setup this week... it's just too unreliable for 2.6.x + smp. |
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| 13:44.39 | nvz | yeah we arent ppsycologists |
| 13:44.48 | abrotman | or spell checkers |
| 13:44.57 | petemc | if were to nominate ops, id vote for jm_ |
| 13:45.02 | petemc | +we |
| 13:45.14 | abrotman | can i be a spell checker? |
| 13:45.16 | nvz | I am running DTA, it eats up my CPU time, and makes my keyboard repeat and losoe keystokes |
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| 13:45.29 | xk | can anyone comment on an amd athlon 64? |
| 13:45.35 | abrotman | petemc: the only concern i have is when are people here .. |
| 13:45.42 | greycat | xk: give me one and I'll let you know how good it is. :) |
| 13:45.44 | abrotman | xk: fun? |
| 13:45.49 | xk | greycat: hehehe. |
| 13:45.51 | jm_ | hehe |
| 13:45.51 | abrotman | wicked fast! |
| 13:45.54 | asuffield | xk: does not exist. athlon is amd32, amd64 is opteron |
| 13:46.05 | abrotman | asuffield: amd calls athlon64 |
| 13:46.07 | petemc | abrotman: yeah, well ive noticed problems in the mornings (EU) , and jm_seems to be here then |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | and opteron |
| 13:46.16 | abrotman | petemc: try being here at night |
| 13:46.19 | abrotman | EST night |
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| 13:46.24 | asuffield | abrotman: amd sales is frequently on crack |
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| 13:46.37 | greycat | s/amd sales/sales/ |
| 13:46.38 | xk | ;) |
| 13:46.45 | abrotman | asuffield: i'm just telling you that the single cpu workstation crap is athlon64 .. server/dual crap is opteron |
| 13:46.57 | asuffield | they've sold processors that aren't being manufactured before now |
| 13:47.06 | abrotman | http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118,00.html |
| 13:47.07 | abrotman | see |
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| 13:47.32 | Marticus | sigh |
| 13:47.33 | xk | sempr0n |
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| 13:47.57 | bob2 | xk: http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/tutorial/rrdtutorial.html |
| 13:48.00 | nvz | I hmm.. I just saw a sign that said the crossroads of La Loma and Virgina I never realized those were streets near Berkeley |
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| 13:48.07 | bob2 | xk: that has an AVERAGE thing, not sure if it's what you meant |
| 13:49.01 | nvz | this yinzer spelled it Berklay too |
| 13:49.01 | abrotman | asuffield: see .. they give htem all kinds of weird names |
| 13:49.03 | xk | bob2: well... I use average() right now... but I'd like a max() graph with one data point per day. |
| 13:49.05 | leonel | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.06 | leonel | jejeje |
| 13:49.15 | bob2 | xk: oh, right |
| 13:49.15 | leonel | debian rules |
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| 13:49.22 | bob2 | leonel: then you're probably going to be annoying anyway |
| 13:49.24 | abrotman | leonel: it's selfexplanatory |
| 13:49.30 | nvz | leonel: you mean debian/rules :P |
| 13:49.34 | leonel | uyuyuy |
| 13:49.36 | abrotman | leonel: are you here for ubuntu help ? |
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| 13:49.54 | leonel | bob2: and abrotman haven't breakfast yet |
| 13:50.01 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:50.03 | xk | is it possible to get the time when max() or min() occurred? |
| 13:50.06 | leonel | abrotman: off course not it was a joke |
| 13:50.06 | bob2 | indeed, since it's 0048 |
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| 13:50.52 | nvz | I should probably make some breakfast. |
| 13:50.56 | leonel | nvz: yes debian/rules |
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| 13:53.01 | nvz | yeah that nick almost makes me want to drop a letter, its rather elegant llooking |
| 13:53.14 | xk | what does the % mean in the ban mask? |
| 13:53.19 | greycat | xk: it means "+q" |
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| 13:53.31 | greycat | which in turn means "they can join but they can't talk" |
| 13:53.32 | xk | so they can join but cannot speak? |
| 13:53.36 | RichiH | xk: ! |
| 13:53.39 | RichiH | xk: ltns! |
| 13:53.42 | xk | richih ;) |
| 13:53.48 | bob2 | xk: right |
| 13:53.58 | ricky_clarkson | Bullshit wrt nick length. |
| 13:54.01 | ricky_clarkson | ;) |
| 13:54.11 | xk | greycat: looks like bitchx doesn't like that (if kick_if_banned is on) |
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| 13:54.30 | RichiH | xk: you should use irssi, anyway ;) |
| 13:54.46 | xk | RichiH: I'm not going to change irc clients after 9 years :) |
| 13:54.58 | xk | I used bitchx back in the old days when it was like... private :) |
| 13:55.02 | RichiH | xk: yah, wait a year to make it ten ;) |
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| 13:55.23 | elnovato | if hitler had irc ban....... |
| 13:55.26 | gub | hi |
| 13:55.26 | nvz | bitchx makes me cringe |
| 13:55.40 | gub | how can i know a package version ? |
| 13:55.45 | greycat | bitchx makes me despair for the future of humanity |
| 13:55.49 | greycat | gub: dpkg -l |
| 13:55.49 | nvz | installed or uninstalled? |
| 13:55.50 | gub | (and the current verion on apt-get ?) |
| 13:55.54 | greycat | gub: apt-cache show |
| 13:56.08 | Mefdahl | bitchx reminds me of the days of 1200bps and renigade bbs |
| 13:56.08 | petemc | gub: apt-cache policy package |
| 13:56.10 | Mefdahl | heh |
| 13:56.26 | greycat | bitchx reminds me of people who can't spell "renegade". (Or "too".) |
| 13:56.36 | xk | do current motherboards work in old atx cases? |
| 13:56.41 | Mefdahl | ;) |
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| 13:56.56 | Mefdahl | it 'morning and I'm low on coffee |
| 13:56.56 | bob2 | I need to get a freaking US keyboard |
| 13:56.57 | RichiH | xk: if they are atx and do not use too much power for your ps, sure |
| 13:56.57 | abrotman | xk: if the mobo is ATX .. only problem might be size of PSU |
| 13:57.00 | nvz | damn I reached my quota a long time ago :P |
| 13:57.01 | bob2 | this UK crap is dricing me nuts |
| 13:57.03 | gub | greycat, thanks, rapid and effective |
| 13:57.13 | abrotman | bob2: driving |
| 13:57.15 | xk | RichiH: well, it's not going to house a pentium 4 ;) |
| 13:57.23 | bob2 | abrotman: right |
| 13:57.26 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:57.46 | xk | abrotman: psu is rated 250W I think. |
| 13:58.13 | abrotman | xk: yeah .. you might want to up that :) |
| 13:58.20 | abrotman | for anything recent anyways |
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| 13:59.08 | RichiH | xk: 250 watts may be OK for a p3 or so ;) |
| 13:59.16 | abrotman | i would say PII |
| 13:59.23 | greycat | depends on what else you put in. |
| 13:59.30 | RichiH | or if you have onboard gfx, you might get more mileage from your psu |
| 13:59.38 | xk | no good for athlon64? |
| 13:59.41 | Marijn_ | What's a good software to do some web benchmarking? |
| 13:59.43 | RichiH | yah. two dvd burners are too much ;) |
| 13:59.45 | greycat | xk: hahaha |
| 13:59.46 | xk | nah, matrox g400. |
| 13:59.50 | RichiH | xk: i would guess not |
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| 14:00.01 | RichiH | hah, with g400, it surely will not be enough |
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| 14:00.08 | xk | RichiH: hehehe I think the power to the dvd burner is a bit dodgy. I thought it had died. |
| 14:00.08 | greycat | athlon64 isn't exactly known as a low-power-consumption chip. |
| 14:00.09 | setuid | I'm doing a "Sysadmin 101" style course for my LUG, and the group decided they wanted to use Debian to learn... which version should I use? |
| 14:00.13 | nvz | gah my permissions are all screwed :P somehow _I_ am suddenly only able to write to Upload/ and _smbguest_ is reading anything _but_ Upload/ |
| 14:00.15 | abrotman | xk: i'd be surprised if with athlon64 if it would even turn on :) |
| 14:00.25 | RichiH | setuid: sarge |
| 14:00.27 | setuid | The goal is to show them a "power workstation", and how to install/configure/admin the box |
| 14:00.28 | xk | greycat: even the new 90nm chips? they use, on average, 45W or so (the 3000+ version) |
| 14:00.33 | setuid | RichiH: Is that 3.0r2? |
| 14:00.37 | greycat | setuid: no, 3.1 |
| 14:00.41 | xk | abrotman: I'll prove you wrong on thursday :) |
| 14:00.41 | RichiH | setuid: it's testing |
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| 14:00.46 | setuid | greycat: There's some spiffy installer too, no? |
| 14:00.50 | setuid | How do I get to that? |
| 14:00.52 | greycat | !d-i |
| 14:00.52 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 14:01.05 | RichiH | setuid: yes, 3.1 has the All Brand New And Great Installer |
| 14:01.05 | setuid | Any bootable ISOs with that installer? |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | xk: ok .. |
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| 14:01.13 | RichiH | which really really rocks |
| 14:01.16 | abrotman | setuid: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 14:01.25 | setuid | abrotman: I'm reading it |
| 14:01.26 | greycat | RichiH: you mean Big And Slow But It's Shore-Nuff Pretty And Fancy |
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| 14:02.06 | xk | even if the system uses 150W total... it's still below 70% load. |
| 14:02.11 | greycat | I could *really* live without having 4+ calls to dpkg for every single disk partition. |
| 14:02.14 | RichiH | greycat: i mean since d-i is usable, the "oh my god, install debian for me" requests have gotten a _lot_ more convenient |
| 14:02.23 | xk | you know how much a SLI based system uses? like 220W! |
| 14:02.25 | greycat | RichiH: true |
| 14:02.48 | greycat | just don't let anyone try d-i on a box made prior to 1996. |
| 14:02.55 | RichiH | greycat: and tbh, i won't install debiann on a p2 or less any time soon, so.. :) |
| 14:03.21 | raf256 | how can I open a foldr in this KDE file browser? |
| 14:03.26 | setuid | There are 15 ISO images for Sarge?! |
| 14:03.27 | setuid | whoa |
| 14:03.28 | nvz | gah I gotta go rename these tracks, or else the cds wont be in order, all numbers before 10 need to start with a 0 |
| 14:03.36 | setuid | Does that include every package in the upstream repositories? |
| 14:03.40 | greycat | setuid: for a LUG, I'd suggest just taking the 1st ISO. |
| 14:03.44 | RichiH | xk: you mean sli as in two current nvidia cards? no way you can get the usage down to 220W |
| 14:03.58 | RichiH | raf256: click on it? |
| 14:04.06 | xk | nvz: what's the next character after the digit? |
| 14:04.11 | RichiH | raf256: or press ctrl-l and enter the location |
| 14:04.17 | xk | RichiH: yeah. |
| 14:04.20 | raf256 | omg :] from command line god damnit |
| 14:04.29 | RichiH | or, alternatively, press ctrl-o and enter the location |
| 14:04.32 | setuid | greycat: What are on the others? There's no README in this dir.. |
| 14:04.41 | greycat | raf256: huh? your KDE file browser is a command line? |
| 14:04.44 | RichiH | raf256: i would guess konqeuror /foo |
| 14:04.47 | RichiH | raf256: or use dcop |
| 14:04.49 | raf256 | oh, found it, |
| 14:04.50 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.59 | greycat | setuid: they're all just packages. sorted by popularity. |
| 14:05.02 | greycat | !popcon |
| 14:05.02 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
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| 14:05.17 | setuid | greycat: So a fully-disconnected install would require all 15 ISO images? |
| 14:05.23 | RichiH | kfmclient is using dcop, yes |
| 14:05.24 | greycat | setuid: oh HELL no. |
| 14:05.24 | abrotman | it was a 250W |
| 14:05.32 | greycat | setuid: it just needs the ISOs that have the packages YOU choose. |
| 14:05.40 | greycat | setuid: for most people, that will be the 1st ISO only |
| 14:05.47 | nvz | xk: a-zA-Z alpha |
| 14:05.48 | setuid | I think we'll have network (fingers crossed), so that should be fine |
| 14:05.49 | xk | abrotman: psu? no way. who knows what was used. heh. |
| 14:05.54 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:06.09 | RichiH | greycat: is the popcon functional, again? |
| 14:06.14 | setuid | greycat: "Normal" sarge/woody/etc. required the first 3 ISO images. Is that structure changed now to fit it all on 1 CD? |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | setuid: that 110MB image will give oyu a base system |
| 14:06.17 | greycat | RichiH: uh... when wasn't it? |
| 14:06.25 | takatumi | setuid: with network, you could even get it done with a 110MB or even a ~30MB ISO |
| 14:06.25 | greycat | setuid: you are incorrect. |
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| 14:06.28 | abrotman | they required 1 CD |
| 14:06.44 | Flimzy | setuid: "Normal" sarge/woody/etc, never required 3 CDs |
| 14:06.48 | setuid | hrm |
| 14:06.48 | greycat | setuid: a "normal" woody base install could be done from the first ISO, and you also had gcc/g++/make, ssh, XFree86, etc. |
| 14:06.59 | greycat | !cd contents |
| 14:06.59 | dpkg | i heard cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 14:06.59 | setuid | Ok, that'll do for now |
| 14:07.03 | setuid | I'll fetch the first one |
| 14:07.18 | nvz | xk: it really only mattered for the one cd that its in order, as the songs all had intro tracks.. the rest of the songs that dont have tracks that need be played before hand, I dont care about their order on the cd |
| 14:07.19 | RichiH | greycat: there was a time when one of those tools was not functional. perhaps it was its precessor? |
| 14:07.19 | j4cbo | i'm an idiot... what's the standard way to make a debian package from a source tree? it has a "debian/" dir with control, postinst, rules, and such |
| 14:07.35 | greycat | j4cbo: debian/rules binary |
| 14:08.03 | Flimzy | j4cbo: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b (and possibly -us -uc) |
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| 14:08.25 | j4cbo | greycat: do i configure and make it first? |
| 14:08.28 | xk | nvz: hrm... was just thinking that you could use rename SAR ?\ *.ext or so... |
| 14:08.32 | Flimzy | j4cbo: no |
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| 14:09.49 | xk | or [1-9]\ *.ext |
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| 14:10.33 | j4cbo | Flimzy: if i use dpkg-buildpackage, how do i give options to the configure script? |
| 14:10.38 | nvz | xk: yeah would have been nice to script if I had to do them all.. but I only had to do 9 of em. |
| 14:10.55 | xk | ;) |
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| 14:11.40 | Flimzy | j4cbo: edit the rules file |
| 14:11.54 | setuid | greycat/RichiH, thanks for the info. |
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| 14:12.04 | greycat | xk: you seem to be using the Red Hat version of rename(1). |
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| 14:12.34 | greycat | nvz: rename 's/^/0/' [1-9]* |
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| 14:12.42 | nomed^ | hi |
| 14:12.47 | possie | how can i see what resolution and dpi i'm currently using? i know xdpyinfo but it shows so many output |
| 14:12.53 | xk | greycat: that will match 10,11,12, etc :) |
| 14:12.55 | greycat | possie: xdpyinfo | less |
| 14:12.58 | greycat | xk: ah, point. |
| 14:13.07 | greycat | nvz: rename 's/^/0/' [1-9][^0-9]* |
| 14:13.09 | nomed^ | i've some orrible problems with synaptic and other gtk apps like gimp |
| 14:13.33 | xk | greycat: how can mine be redhat? what did I do wrong? |
| 14:13.42 | abrotman | what is wrong with synaptic lately ... tons of people coming in here about it |
| 14:13.42 | possie | greycat: my result is 353 lines of output, is that normal? |
| 14:13.48 | xk | that was just my way of doing it |
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| 14:13.58 | nomed^ | when i try to select a pack with dependencies synaptic just tells me which are the packs needed and then suddently closes everything |
| 14:14.03 | greycat | xk: well, maybe I misunderstood what "SAR" means. I assumed it was a literal string. |
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| 14:14.14 | nomed^ | what can it be? |
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| 14:14.19 | Rawplayer | i dont know |
| 14:14.21 | Rawplayer | do you ? |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | nomed^: checked bts ? |
| 14:14.35 | _wanderer | hi guys. which news client should I use? Mozilla or Mozilla Thunderbird? which one do you recommend? why? |
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| 14:14.44 | nomed^ | abrotman: bts? |
| 14:14.47 | xk | grecat: search and replace? |
| 14:14.49 | greycat | _wanderer: try both and use what you like. |
| 14:14.50 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:14.50 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install ... |
| 14:14.55 | greycat | xk: ah. |
| 14:14.56 | oKtosiTe | does anyone know of a utility that can look up id3 tags (mp3 track information) |
| 14:15.04 | possie | greycat: so "dimensions" is my acctual resolution? |
| 14:15.14 | xk | greycat: I guess I could have been more clear about it. |
| 14:15.16 | _wanderer | i have tried mozilla news but i think it's very slow. does thunderbird also suffer from this? |
| 14:15.21 | greycat | when I see "sar", I think of sar(8) (or sar(1M) on HP-UX) |
| 14:15.21 | xk | I assume too much ;) |
| 14:15.26 | nomed^ | abrotman: the problem is that i haven't any debug infos |
| 14:15.31 | xk | sars |
| 14:15.36 | abrotman | nomed^: look for something simliar |
| 14:15.40 | asg | !give xk the bird flue |
| 14:15.48 | asg | s/e$// |
| 14:16.03 | stew | oKtosiTe: i use the "id3" utility from the "id3" package |
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| 14:17.01 | _wanderer | and what is the difference between mozilla web browser and mozilla firefox? |
| 14:17.10 | Marticus | greycat, when I think of sar I am reminded of all the times I wanted to through the hpux boxen out the 3rd floor window |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | chubbiness |
| 14:17.22 | jetscreamer | throw |
| 14:17.28 | Marticus | yeah thath |
| 14:17.38 | nomed^ | abrotman: it seems a guy has had the same problem of me .... but no solutions |
| 14:17.41 | Marticus | dont expect me to spell correctly first thing in the morning |
| 14:17.46 | nomed^ | abrotman: should i wait? |
| 14:18.03 | Marticus | you should give me at least 10 additional seconds to correct myself... |
| 14:18.06 | jetscreamer | yeah but i was trying to save you... you typed more letters than needed... |
| 14:18.18 | Marticus | pffft |
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| 14:18.22 | oKtosiTe | stew, thanks |
| 14:18.29 | abrotman | nomed^: you could supplement the bug |
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| 14:18.34 | jetscreamer | speaking of coffee... |
| 14:18.34 | Marticus | you made me type three more sentences, how is that saving me? :P |
| 14:18.36 | nomed^ | 26 Feb 2005 15:18:42 when i made the update |
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| 14:19.05 | Marticus | hehe |
| 14:20.35 | oKtosiTe | stew, that's only to change id3 tags, I'm looking for something that accesses a database, because I don't know the proper id3 tags (missing track titles) |
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| 14:21.07 | nomed^ | i feel there is a standard way to submit the bug |
| 14:21.14 | abrotman | reportbug |
| 14:21.20 | nomed^ | ok |
| 14:21.43 | jetscreamer | cddb |
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| 14:22.10 | xk | so potato->woody took slightly over 2 years... |
| 14:22.18 | xk | woody->sarge is 2.5 years so far... and no release. |
| 14:22.28 | xk | well... time between releases. |
| 14:22.46 | scytheman_ | there are much more packages and architectures for sarge |
| 14:23.19 | greycat | xk: I've noticed this trend too. |
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| 14:23.30 | xk | wasn't testing supposed to resolve that issue? |
| 14:23.36 | greycat | xk: yes, it was. |
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| 14:24.33 | greycat | scytheman_: OpenBSD lists 15 supported architectures ("Hardware platforms") and they release every 6 months. |
| 14:24.43 | greycat | scytheman_: the big difference is that OpenBSD is much SMALLER. |
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| 14:25.34 | jetscreamer | telnet... |
| 14:25.48 | oKtosiTe | jetscreamer, hmmm |
| 14:25.57 | jetscreamer | no that was for me |
| 14:26.09 | jetscreamer | the cddb was for you |
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| 14:26.33 | Marticus | heh |
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| 14:27.14 | jetscreamer | does cddb stand for compact disc database? |
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| 14:27.49 | jetscreamer | if it doesn't, it should |
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| 14:28.04 | stefan| | hi |
| 14:28.05 | Marticus | it does |
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| 14:28.20 | stefan| | already tried dkpg mouse,but didnt help |
| 14:28.26 | Marticus | ir shortened, cd database :P |
| 14:28.33 | EspeonEefi | BeGinneR seems to be a spambot. |
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| 14:29.04 | jetscreamer | see the topic, set your mode to -E ot something |
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| 14:29.13 | jetscreamer | +E i foget |
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| 14:29.16 | Marticus | I've seen some really shitty entries in the open cddbs |
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| 14:29.27 | EspeonEefi | Mmm...what is +E, anyways? |
| 14:29.33 | ggl_6 | anyone here wish to help me with mod_auth in apache? |
| 14:29.40 | jetscreamer | no /msg's from non-auth'd |
| 14:29.41 | EspeonEefi | And thanks, greycat. |
| 14:29.47 | Marticus | ggl_6: what do you need? |
| 14:29.49 | EspeonEefi | Ah. |
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| 14:30.18 | oKtosiTe | jetscreamer, I know, I was just slow, as I am now |
| 14:30.28 | jetscreamer | ahh ok laag |
| 14:30.33 | stefan| | i have a laptop with touchpad (synaptics works fine) and now i want to connect my usb mouse (some logitech crap), i compiled the nessecary stuff, and mouse seems to work (flashes red) but it doesnt do anything under xserver |
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| 14:30.53 | Marticus | does this net still use that horribly hacked up modification of hybrid? |
| 14:30.54 | stefan| | can i somehow grab the information the mouse sends to my laptop |
| 14:30.56 | jetscreamer | got the hid modules loaded in kernel? |
| 14:31.26 | ggl_6 | I created a .htaccess file and a user with htpasswd, and mod_auth is installed in httpd.conf... but it still wont work.. I'm stumped. |
| 14:31.34 | scarynetworkguy | stefan|: What device does it see the mouse as? |
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| 14:32.01 | samer | hi |
| 14:32.02 | samer | any one have any idea about a pppoe server |
| 14:32.12 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 14:32.13 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:32.21 | scarynetworkguy | !tell samer about smart questions |
| 14:32.42 | Trev1 | Email attachments (mozilla|firefox - running squirrelmail) are not opening correctly when clicked, where can I dial in what the default setting for 'Open With' should be ? |
| 14:32.50 | jetscreamer | does debian supply a pppoe server? |
| 14:33.06 | samer | it's a hard q |
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| 14:34.11 | oKtosiTe | jetscreamer, no lag, just a lot of windows, and a lot of lazyness |
| 14:34.13 | jetscreamer | i don't see one |
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| 14:34.28 | jetscreamer | i meant brain/finger lat |
| 14:34.30 | scarynetworkguy | samer: Yes you are right. Question does use a hard q. |
| 14:34.30 | jetscreamer | err lag |
| 14:34.54 | samer | no one till now answer my q |
| 14:34.55 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search pppoe doesn't show a server |
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| 14:35.04 | samer | i ask more then 1 million ppl |
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| 14:35.12 | samer | it;s the same q every day |
| 14:35.14 | samer | :S |
| 14:35.23 | ggl_6 | !tell ggl_6 about smart questions |
| 14:35.29 | scarynetworkguy | samer: Have you done all of the things the bot told you to do and asked a smart question, yet? |
| 14:35.34 | Kvant | jetscreamer, in the pkg pppoe |
| 14:35.35 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.37 | oKtosiTe | samer, how about speaking English ;-) |
| 14:35.50 | greycat | samer: have you considered that, if you keep asking every day, and keep not getting an answer, that maybe, just possibly, it's because we don't *know*? |
| 14:36.03 | Marticus | ggl_6 wont work doesnt really help me |
| 14:36.09 | samer | k |
| 14:36.10 | Marticus | does it give any errors |
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| 14:36.27 | greycat | !google for Debian pppoe server |
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| 14:36.42 | dpkg | Google says Debian pppoe server is at http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2002/11/msg00321.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2002/11/msg00319.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-russian/2004/10/msg00159.html or http://www.annodex.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?pppoe-server+8 or http://www.annodex.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?8+pppoe-server |
| 14:37.15 | greycat | lookatthat. a whole mailing list just for being an ISP. |
| 14:37.16 | jetscreamer | hey! aol wrote their own pppoe program, use theirs! (i'm kidding, but they really did) |
| 14:37.17 | ggl_6 | I know, trying to fiuge it out myself... I think I did everything right. How do I check if mod_auth is installed? |
| 14:37.47 | Marticus | ggl_6 if it is in apache config and apache doesnt give you any errors or warnings when you start it, it's probably installed |
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| 14:38.20 | Marticus | ggl_6 how doesn't it work? does it give errors? does it not show you the password prompt? What? Help us out here... |
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| 14:39.18 | Marticus | is your apache config default or have you modified it? Is it configured to handle .htaccess? |
| 14:39.20 | jetscreamer | wow, google... what a concept |
| 14:39.22 | sml | Marticus: he meant its unemployed and doesn't have a job. it doesn't work. |
| 14:39.32 | jetscreamer | hey that's me! |
| 14:39.35 | Marticus | sml oh, well in that case |
| 14:39.52 | Marticus | apache needs to get a fscking job |
| 14:40.03 | Marticus | cronjob perhaps? |
| 14:40.08 | jetscreamer | me too, this freelance shit is suckin lately |
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| 14:40.14 | sml | Marticus: lol |
| 14:40.17 | ggl_6 | marticus: default |
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| 14:40.32 | sml | Marticus: man jobs. |
| 14:40.33 | stefan|bcn | did u read the dmesg? |
| 14:40.34 | sml | lol |
| 14:40.34 | Marticus | ggl_6 so, what about the other questions I asked |
| 14:40.42 | stefan|bcn | got kicked or whatever |
| 14:41.25 | Marticus | dmesgotd |
| 14:41.37 | Marticus | you know somethings wrong when that changes daily |
| 14:41.49 | Marticus | 's |
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| 14:42.55 | greycat | was anything that was said in this channel in the last 3 minutes supposed to make any sense at all? |
| 14:43.01 | stefan|bcn | can some check my usb mouse problem in #flood pls |
| 14:43.09 | greycat | stefan|bcn: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 14:43.11 | jetscreamer | yes.. i need more money. |
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| 14:43.22 | Marticus | CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383f9ff 0f313370 00000000 00000000 |
| 14:43.27 | Sharky | hello |
| 14:43.29 | Marticus | got hax? |
| 14:43.58 | ggl_6 | oh, sorry was reading the manuals, earlier.... the browser does not prompt for password, I dont get no errors for apache, weird... mod_auth.so there, loadmodule for mod auth is in httpd.conf. wierd. apache doesnt post any error during startup. Am I missing something? |
| 14:44.06 | drac | How would one resolve dns displayed in hex? |
| 14:44.24 | sml | greycat: lol |
| 14:44.28 | jetscreamer | that would be ipv6, or do you mean somehting different |
| 14:44.33 | ggl_6 | .htaccess exists in the directory i want to protect... |
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| 14:44.39 | Marticus | if domronr offers to assist, you ought to devote more cpu resources to that person :P |
| 14:44.45 | stefan|bcn | hmm, but i wont kill my synaptics touchpad with dpkg's solution, will i |
| 14:44.47 | Marticus | err |
| 14:44.49 | Marticus | someone |
| 14:44.58 | Marticus | s/domronr/someone/ lol |
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| 14:45.10 | drac | I didn't mean ipv6, I mean some webchats display user!hex_here@webchat.xs4all.nl |
| 14:45.24 | greycat | drac: you want to WRITE an IP address in hex, or you want to CONVERT an IP address from hex to dotted-decimal-quad? or what? |
| 14:45.28 | Marticus | I would have typed the entire sentence with my fingers shifted to the right |
| 14:45.33 | ph0 | how can i install enlightenment 0.17? |
| 14:45.45 | jetscreamer | http://xfree.org/current/ <--- |
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| 14:46.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install enlightenment comes to mind.. dunno what ver you'll get |
| 14:46.03 | Marticus | enbloatenment |
| 14:46.11 | jetscreamer | e bloated? |
| 14:46.18 | ph0 | jetscreamer, i only get the 0.16 via apt-get |
| 14:46.18 | greycat | enheaviment |
| 14:46.25 | ph0 | need EVAS |
| 14:46.27 | _wanderer | Can I install mozilla-firefox without installing mozila-browser? Or does mozilla-firefox depend on it? thanks in advance. |
| 14:46.38 | jetscreamer | no it doesn't depend on it |
| 14:46.39 | greycat | _wanderer: apt-cache show mozilla-firefox |
| 14:46.44 | jetscreamer | ^^^ |
| 14:46.46 | Phated | Why don't you just... install it and see? |
| 14:46.46 | greycat | FUCK, you people are lazy. |
| 14:46.54 | Phated | Amen. |
| 14:47.02 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 14:47.03 | drac | greycat: To convert IPV4 address written in HEX back to human readable form .. |
| 14:47.08 | Marticus | bahaha |
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| 14:47.32 | stew | is hex not human readable? |
| 14:47.44 | jetscreamer | you sure that's not just their frickin hardwired user name with the isp? |
| 14:48.12 | jetscreamer | ph0 you'll need to compile it i guess, sid has 16 |
| 14:48.12 | drac | stew: Ok, maybe I chose the wrong words, excuse my english :) |
| 14:48.14 | stefan|bcn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.20 | stefan|bcn | but still have this problem |
| 14:48.29 | scarynetworkguy | drac: Odds are sipcalc will do what you want. |
| 14:48.44 | stefan|bcn | should i try loading it as module |
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| 14:49.08 | drac | scarynetworkguy: thanks |
| 14:49.10 | jetscreamer | lsmod |
| 14:49.14 | greycat | drac: IP=ab01cd34; set -- $(echo "$IP" | sed 's/\(..\)/0x\1 /g'); printf %d. "$@"; echo |
| 14:49.14 | Marticus | ggl_6 check for LoadModule access_module |
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| 14:50.00 | greycat | hrm, you could shorten that a bit. |
| 14:50.04 | jetscreamer | give me your sed, your perl, your python |
| 14:50.20 | Marticus | ggl_6 paste your .htaccess file in one of the pasting sites and give me the url |
| 14:50.22 | sml | greycat: that's what she said last night |
| 14:50.22 | jetscreamer | matrix style plz |
| 14:50.45 | greycat | drac: IP=ab01cd34; printf %d. $(echo "$IP" | sed 's/\(..\)/0x\1 /g'); echo |
| 14:50.48 | ggl_6 | ok. |
| 14:50.51 | drac | ok :) |
| 14:51.01 | ggl_6 | how bout #flood? |
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| 14:51.16 | drac | It works |
| 14:51.40 | greycat | the trailing dot is a bit ugly, but oh well. |
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| 14:52.06 | drac | sed seems something worth learning more.. |
| 14:52.11 | fabietto | Hi at all. How can I unpack a rar archive with debian sarge? |
| 14:52.29 | drac | fabietto: with unrar? (apt-get install unrar-nonfree) |
| 14:52.37 | Ronin | fabietto: same as you would in any distro, unrar |
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| 14:53.22 | fabietto | Ronin: i haven't got any unrar command or similar... |
| 14:53.26 | greycat | !installit |
| 14:53.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
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| 14:54.12 | dwu | if i execute remotely a command such as "rsh [host] ls [non-existence file]" the return code will stil return 0 since "rsh" itself executed successfully. is there a way to get the return code of the command execute instead of rsh? |
| 14:54.26 | fabietto | drac: i also read your suggest in some pages founded with google... but i can't find this packet... |
| 14:55.00 | greycat | dwu: ssh, as I said in #bash. |
| 14:55.07 | bodq | dwu: Use SSH as rsh :: "DIAGNOSTICS ssh exits with the exit status of the remote command or with 255 if any error occurred." |
| 14:55.24 | stew | fabietto: you probably don't have non-free sources, either add non-free (/msg dpkg nonfree) or use unrar instead of unrar-nonfree |
| 14:55.53 | bodq | dwu: it's a wonder you've found a real RSH client these days |
| 14:55.55 | fabietto | stew: but i haven't got "unrar"... |
| 14:56.05 | Ronin | fabietto: read what stew types |
| 14:56.18 | drac | fabietto: just add non-free to your sources, unrar-nonfree can also extract winrar 3.x packages. |
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| 14:56.31 | stew | fabietto: add non-free sources |
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| 15:01.47 | slicedmeat | i got eterm and fluxbox installed but the menu transparency doesn't work am i missing something? |
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| 15:02.01 | dpy | hi |
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| 15:02.29 | dpy | does anyone here happen to know how to regain my nick's password ? |
| 15:02.40 | dpy | have it sent to my email address orso |
| 15:02.50 | stew | dpy: #freenode |
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| 15:03.14 | dpy | stew: I'm voiceless there, and not @ |
| 15:03.16 | dpy | not=no |
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| 15:03.33 | stew | dpy: /msg someone who is from staff.freenode |
| 15:03.54 | dolphin4_ | hello guys, I install debian sarge, and the first wm I install was kde |
| 15:04.04 | dolphin4_ | after the X-window-systme |
| 15:04.12 | dolphin4_ | right |
| 15:04.27 | dpy | and promptly I remember the password |
| 15:04.30 | dpy | -sigh- |
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| 15:04.45 | nevyn | dolphin4_: and? |
| 15:04.49 | kristofer | I have a pci-e motherboard and none of the pci devices are working. is there an option in the kernel that I need to enable to fix this? |
| 15:05.08 | dolphin4_ | and then when I install xfce4 now the machine boot automatic on the new wm. |
| 15:05.23 | dolphin4_ | nevyn, I am trying to configure a menu boot |
| 15:05.39 | greycat | neither KDE nor xfce is a window manager. |
| 15:05.42 | dolphin4_ | nevyn, or somehow to choose which one to use at the boot up |
| 15:05.48 | dolphin4_ | ok |
| 15:05.53 | dolphin4_ | so then is X? |
| 15:05.58 | Marticus | they are desktop environments |
| 15:06.09 | dolphin4_ | ok got it desktop env... |
| 15:06.12 | greycat | and IN THEORY, you can configure your display manager to launch either KDE or xfce by judicious dot-file editing. |
| 15:06.24 | greycat | there's also /etc/alternatives/x-* |
| 15:06.34 | dolphin4_ | ohhhh |
| 15:06.51 | dolphin4_ | in that file I can edit the enviroment? |
| 15:07.00 | Marticus | sigh |
| 15:07.10 | dolphin4_ | any document online that I can follow? |
| 15:07.12 | drac | dolphin4_: so, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager OR/AND echo 'exec /usr/bin/startkde' > ~/.xsession |
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| 15:07.31 | slicedmeat | i got eterm and fluxbox installed but the menu transparency doesn't work am i missing something? |
| 15:07.34 | marinos | ~/.xsession works only with xdm |
| 15:07.36 | dolphin4_ | but it is much faster for a old computer "xfce" right? |
| 15:07.38 | greycat | drac: x-session-manager more likely. |
| 15:07.47 | drac | marinos: that's not true. |
| 15:07.58 | marinos | gdm needs an entry |
| 15:07.58 | drac | marinos: it works for gdm, kdm, xdm and even for startx. |
| 15:07.59 | dolphin4_ | ok |
| 15:08.01 | greycat | dolphin4_: for any computer. |
| 15:08.19 | jetscreamer | icewm ! |
| 15:08.20 | dolphin4_ | so XFCE4 is better and faster |
| 15:08.25 | marinos | drac: really ?? with what sequence |
| 15:08.26 | Marticus | fluxbox =) |
| 15:08.33 | marinos | fluxbox is really cool |
| 15:08.33 | jetscreamer | check out icewm and fluxbox also one day |
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| 15:08.44 | drac | marinos: IIRC if .xinitrc doesn't exists startx reads .xsession somwhow |
| 15:08.50 | dolphin4_ | I notice that my computer have 512mb ram and when I run kde system guard it is 350 on use |
| 15:08.51 | drac | s/somwhow/somehow/ |
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| 15:09.01 | dolphin4_ | 350mb already on use |
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| 15:09.10 | dolphin4_ | that is crazy |
| 15:09.13 | jetscreamer | dolphin4_, its buffers+cache=true free memory, or something like that |
| 15:09.19 | slicedmeat | i got eterm and fluxbox installed but the menu transparency doesn't work am i missing something? |
| 15:09.20 | daft | dolphin4_: unused MEM is wasted |
| 15:09.30 | dolphin4_ | ok |
| 15:09.42 | jetscreamer | that 350 gets released on need, or something |
| 15:09.47 | dolphin4_ | so it is ok use more of the physical memory? |
| 15:09.50 | dolphin4_ | or not? |
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| 15:09.59 | dolphin4_ | ok |
| 15:09.59 | Marticus | does flux support transparency? |
| 15:10.02 | jetscreamer | yeah it's designed that way |
| 15:10.16 | dolphin4_ | let me go check the file to edit the alternatives |
| 15:10.16 | jetscreamer | xfree doesn't support transparancy very well |
| 15:10.17 | Marticus | it's been two years or so since I have used xfree |
| 15:10.26 | dolphin4_ | ohh |
| 15:10.30 | Marticus | and now I am told xfree has gone to hell |
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| 15:10.37 | jetscreamer | so they say |
| 15:10.43 | slicedmeat | i got eterm and fluxbox installed but the menu transparency doesn't work am i missing something? |
| 15:10.55 | jetscreamer | probably not slicedmeat |
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| 15:11.07 | Marticus | xorg x11r6 or something has replaced it... |
| 15:11.10 | bob2 | 'menu transparency'? |
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| 15:11.16 | Marticus | or something |
| 15:11.22 | bob2 | Eterm will only ever show the background image through itself |
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| 15:11.29 | bob2 | and only if you set the background with Esetroot |
| 15:11.30 | Marticus | I've got a lot to learn about x before I can use it again, not that I ever will |
| 15:11.36 | Marticus | console ownz |
| 15:11.48 | bob2 | u r 31337. |
| 15:11.53 | Marticus | indeed |
| 15:11.53 | slicedmeat | the menu transparency |
| 15:12.02 | Marticus | err, 1nd33d |
| 15:12.03 | slicedmeat | eterms transparency works fine |
| 15:12.07 | Marticus | or something like that |
| 15:12.10 | jetscreamer | slicedmeat, got xorg? no? ok then there you go. |
| 15:12.25 | bob2 | slicedmeat: the menu isn't supposed to be transparent |
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| 15:12.33 | slicedmeat | xorg isn't supported yet ill get it when it is |
| 15:12.43 | bob2 | xorg is supported, just not in Debian |
| 15:13.17 | slicedmeat | and thats what im using so its not supported heh |
| 15:13.22 | elnovato | !xorg |
| 15:13.22 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 15:13.25 | hogballs | i installed debian sarge and my videocard, tvtuner, soundcard, or x dont work |
| 15:13.26 | jetscreamer | is there a list of -dev stuff i need to compile gnome stuff? |
| 15:13.34 | PerfDave | Bah, the point of X is to have more terminals open than you can have with console ;) |
| 15:13.39 | bob2 | hogballs: not very surprising |
| 15:13.44 | bob2 | jetscreamer: gnome-devel for gnome 2 |
| 15:13.45 | jetscreamer | hogballs, did you install a couple days ago? |
| 15:13.49 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 15:13.55 | jetscreamer | s/did/didn't/ |
| 15:13.56 | Marticus | !get xorg |
| 15:13.57 | dpkg | get xorg is, like, Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. Xorg is unusably slow with transparency enabled. Don't bother. No I don't notice any slowdown. You just need a good graphics card with OpenGL. |
| 15:14.01 | bob2 | PerfDave: and high res emacs windows |
| 15:14.10 | hogballs | ya.. this is my 2nd pc to install debian on. |
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| 15:14.22 | jetscreamer | then you're an expert! :) |
| 15:14.28 | PerfDave | bob2: and media playing, because there are no good console-mode music players. |
| 15:14.34 | hogballs | what an expert noob lol |
| 15:14.38 | jetscreamer | hogballs, did you examing /var/log/whatever? |
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| 15:15.03 | jetscreamer | s/examing/examine/ |
| 15:15.10 | hogballs | i did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver -xfree86 |
| 15:15.12 | bob2 | PerfDave: cplay. |
| 15:15.19 | jetscreamer | hogballs, did you examine /var/log/whatever? |
| 15:15.21 | hogballs | it wont take either the vesa or ati driver . |
| 15:15.29 | PerfDave | bob2: Sucks |
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| 15:15.32 | jetscreamer | what vid card, also |
| 15:15.41 | bob2 | PerfDave: less than RB/xmms/*, tho. |
| 15:15.48 | PerfDave | bob2: Fuck no |
| 15:15.49 | hogballs | well im going to dump the log over in flood as soon as i apt-get the irssi |
| 15:15.55 | dolphin4_ | drac, http://pastebin.com/247870 |
| 15:16.06 | dolphin4_ | drac, this is the result of the command |
| 15:16.19 | jetscreamer | hogballs, you might consider a pastebot, logs can get huge |
| 15:16.31 | dolphin4_ | I really like the xfce4 but I am trying to figure out how to control it and customised. |
| 15:16.45 | bob2 | wow |
| 15:16.54 | bob2 | my spam load has increased by an enormous amount his week |
| 15:17.12 | Marticus | would you like a cookie? |
| 15:17.16 | hogballs | my hardware choice isnt supported . 9600pro, tvwonder ve, sb audigy, nforce2 chipset. |
| 15:17.19 | stew | bob2: same here, its all getting caught but the number incoming is way up |
| 15:17.19 | Marticus | heh |
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| 15:17.21 | elnovato | mine too, and thunderbird spam filters sucks ass |
| 15:17.22 | drac | dolphin4_: I guess you want 'kwin' |
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| 15:17.27 | stew | err s/all/mostly/ |
| 15:17.31 | drac | dolphin4_: and then do same command for x-session-manager |
| 15:17.37 | fabietto | drac, Ronin, stew: i probably founded my needed non-free sources here: ftp://ftp2.it.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/non-free/binary-i386/ |
| 15:17.46 | dolphin4_ | drac, I want to get a menu where I can choose which enviroment I want. |
| 15:17.55 | Marticus | spamassassin doesn't catch everything too |
| 15:18.03 | dolphin4_ | drac, I am using this debian machine to test all the Linux amazing stuff |
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| 15:18.37 | stew | fabietto: edit sources.list, change "main" to "main contrib non-free" |
| 15:18.37 | drac | fabietto: why didn't you just add 'non-free' in end of your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 15:18.38 | marinos | PerfDave: depends on what you want to do with the commandline mp3 player |
| 15:18.46 | schuler | PerfDave: meanwhile I solved my keyboard problem on the MEDION notebook |
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| 15:18.57 | Marticus | what severely irritates me is when some yakass puts my email address on a university web site without asking |
| 15:19.00 | dolphin4_ | drac, I will get the menu to choose between xfce and kde? |
| 15:19.01 | travisat | dolphin4_: just install ratpoison and be content with no menus. next thing you'll want icons and shit |
| 15:19.05 | hogballs | how bout me dumpin ovefr at the www. site |
| 15:19.13 | schuler | I had to configure xkb |
| 15:19.17 | hogballs | pastebin.com? |
| 15:19.18 | Marticus | ooo ratpoison... I used that for a while |
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| 15:19.30 | fabietto | stew: ok, so something like: dep ftp ftp://ftp2.it.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/non-free/binary-i386/ testing main contrib non-free" |
| 15:19.32 | Marticus | then I thought, why? |
| 15:19.39 | stew | fabietto: no |
| 15:19.53 | drac | dolphin4_: yup |
| 15:19.59 | Marticus | why not just forsake X and use 24 ttys :) |
| 15:20.03 | travisat | I use ion3, ratpoison was almost as bad as that plan9 emulator |
| 15:20.17 | fabietto | drac: I can simply add a line, at the end, containing "non-free"? |
| 15:20.18 | marinos | it is possible to use alsa/jackd/alsaplayer together (all together) with perfect sound |
| 15:20.24 | hogballs | the thing is that gamesKnoppix live cd works fine for my video cARD BUT the tvtuner and the soundcard dont work .. and i think since its a live-cd you cannt make something work cause it cant save changes. |
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| 15:21.06 | dolphin4_ | drac, so ok I will then choose the number 2 on this case |
| 15:21.09 | hogballs | it just asked me to view the x server output to diag the problem |
| 15:21.09 | dolphin4_ | ;) |
| 15:21.16 | dolphin4_ | thank you let me try |
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| 15:21.32 | dolphin4_ | drac, where could i get a good manua about this. |
| 15:21.34 | hogballs | ya it just says screw you |
| 15:22.20 | stew | travisat: what does ion3 do that ratpoison doesn't? |
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| 15:22.30 | fabietto | stew, drac: ok, ok... problem solved... :-) |
| 15:22.58 | travisat | stew: it supports debian menu, and I prefer editting key bindings for it. |
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| 15:23.18 | Marticus | ggl_6: did you get it working? |
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| 15:23.51 | stew | travisat: gotcha. people are actually working on adding debian menu support to rp via either ratmenu or 9menu |
| 15:24.35 | travisat | if it had debian menu, I might use it, but I got ion3 the way I like |
| 15:24.36 | caphuso | stew: ion does a few dozen things ratpoison doesn't do |
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| 15:24.50 | ptlis | Does anybody know how to get middle-click to close tabs in Firefox on Gnome? |
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| 15:24.56 | lestest | hi there ... is there a ssl enabled irc server in sid? |
| 15:24.58 | dom | hi all |
| 15:24.59 | slicedmeat | can i set aterm/eterm in the flux menu to start with transparency when i open them? or just for them to open like that in general? |
| 15:25.01 | elnovato | what for exim4 is installed by default? |
| 15:25.03 | greycat | ptlis: my god... that would be HORRID! |
| 15:25.16 | ptlis | ...I can't work without it |
| 15:25.26 | greycat | why on earth would you want middle click, which normally OPENS things in a new tab, or PASTES a url into the existing tab, to suddenly CLOSE them instead? |
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| 15:25.33 | travisat | slicedmeat: yes you can |
| 15:25.39 | ptlis | Because I like it like that? |
| 15:25.44 | dom | greycat do you know how with apt-get i can skip debian configuration prompt ? |
| 15:25.48 | slicedmeat | travisat how? |
| 15:25.52 | kandalf | hi |
| 15:25.53 | Marticus | greycat because everyone has their own preferences |
| 15:25.59 | greycat | ptlis: how did you become accustomed to it, if you don't know how to make it do that? |
| 15:26.02 | miib | Hi.. When i try to run aspell from a terminal I get an "aspell: relocation error: aspell: undefined symbol" error .. Im running debian sid.. I installed aspell-en and removed aspell-da and it stopped working !? Tried instaling aspell-da again .. no success :( Also ran ldconfig but no success.. Any ideas ? |
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| 15:26.05 | dom | greycat: i mean if i do apt-get -y or --force-yes it doesnt skip |
| 15:26.07 | elnovato | ptlis: better will be shift+left click = close tabs |
| 15:26.10 | _wanderer | greycat, why are you so aggressive |
| 15:26.13 | greycat | dom: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 15:26.14 | travisat | slicedmeat: man aterm/eterm, find the trans options, and edit your fb menu |
| 15:26.21 | dom | thx greycat |
| 15:26.25 | Marticus | _wanderer because everyone has their own prefences :P |
| 15:26.26 | kandalf | could somebody tell me if this is usual?: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 15:26.28 | Marticus | hehe |
| 15:26.28 | slicedmeat | where do i find the fb menu :P |
| 15:26.34 | _wanderer | help people if you can, if not why dont you spare your "personal opinions" to yourself? |
| 15:26.40 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 15:26.41 | kandalf | i get that with hdparm |
| 15:26.43 | ptlis | That's how it works by default on Windows, and as I dual boot i'd like to keep things consistant rather than remembering which is which on what platform. |
| 15:26.45 | Marticus | _wanderer oops |
| 15:26.53 | travisat | slicedmeat: dunno, I havent used flux for a while |
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| 15:27.08 | ptlis | If there's an alternate way of doing it which works across the board i'd be happy to adjust to that. |
| 15:27.09 | Marticus | _wanderer we don't hold back opinions here |
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| 15:27.18 | greycat | ptlis: try #firefox or #mozila (or #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org) |
| 15:27.25 | greycat | err, #mozilla of course. |
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| 15:27.33 | ptlis | Okay, thanks |
| 15:27.41 | travisat | ptlis: c^w closes tabs |
| 15:27.45 | Marticus | at least, I dont think we do... |
| 15:27.46 | dom | no greycat i need only to skip for 2 packages nothing more i dont wanna removed |
| 15:27.57 | ptlis | Aha, that's most excellent. |
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| 15:28.06 | dom | greycat: i mean i want dialog prompt |
| 15:28.11 | ptlis | Thank you travisat. |
| 15:28.19 | dom | greycat: but not for these particular packs |
| 15:28.22 | greycat | dom: so CHANGE THE FUCKING CONFIGURATION BACK TO NORMAL AFTERWARD. Sheesh! |
| 15:28.26 | travisat | ptlis: standard keystrokes for firefox |
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| 15:28.37 | dom | greycat: ............ |
| 15:28.48 | Marticus | lol |
| 15:28.51 | ptlis | I've only (relatively) recently switched from Opera. |
| 15:28.54 | dom | greycat: you need holidays :D |
| 15:28.56 | Marticus | nice font LOSE THE CAPS :P |
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| 15:29.04 | travisat | ptlis: c^w also works in opera I believe |
| 15:29.08 | elnovato | c^w = ? |
| 15:29.11 | greycat | Ctrl-W |
| 15:29.14 | ptlis | Oh. I didn't know that :/ |
| 15:29.14 | Marticus | ctrl |
| 15:29.16 | elnovato | control + w ? |
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| 15:29.22 | arvind_ | hehehe, should disable caps with xmodmap |
| 15:29.26 | ptlis | Closes tabs in Firefox. |
| 15:29.29 | greycat | more properly spelled ^W or C-W |
| 15:29.34 | elnovato | oh |
| 15:29.57 | Marticus | spelled.. hehe |
| 15:30.11 | ptlis | No comment. |
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| 15:30.27 | abiocoen | sorry, my english sucks but I can I ask you guys something? |
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| 15:30.32 | Marticus | ptlis thought you were hell bent on using the middle mouse :) |
| 15:30.33 | greycat | !ask |
| 15:30.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 15:30.47 | ptlis | Another quick question, how do I get Gnome to not ignore my .xmodmap.sh file? |
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| 15:30.50 | Marticus | greycat is on a roll this morning |
| 15:30.58 | ptlis | Or is there an alternate way to remap my mouse buttons. |
| 15:31.06 | Marticus | err, rename it? :) |
| 15:31.20 | ptlis | Marticus: I'm happy with any solution which works. |
| 15:31.23 | Hell-Man | !rules |
| 15:31.23 | dpkg | i heard rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just say your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 15:31.29 | michael | Hi, new to this group! Anybody installed woody on a Proliant 3000? |
| 15:31.30 | greycat | ptlis: stick an xmodmap command in your dot file. |
| 15:31.36 | Marticus | oops you said -not- ignore |
| 15:31.38 | greycat | whichever dot file your login method(s) read. |
| 15:31.40 | Marticus | my muistake |
| 15:31.50 | Marticus | my laptop keyboard sux |
| 15:31.55 | ptlis | How can I find out which dot file that is? |
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| 15:32.26 | abiocoen | is there on this irc-server any channel about Java? |
| 15:32.27 | Marticus | ptlis I could have told you a few years ago... heh |
| 15:32.36 | Kralizec | is there a channel for amd_64 specific issues? |
| 15:32.37 | ptlis | >< |
| 15:32.39 | travisat | abiocoen: #java ? |
| 15:32.41 | Marticus | ptlis also check out #xorg |
| 15:32.55 | Kralizec | (with debian, of course) |
| 15:32.58 | travisat | java, You are nothing but a pickled enema-bucketful of infected yoo-hoo |
| 15:33.17 | Marticus | heh |
| 15:33.38 | abiocoen | travisat, you prefer C++? =) |
| 15:34.11 | Marticus | hrm |
| 15:34.11 | travisat | abiocoen: err perl, yeah perl... yes c++ is better than java |
| 15:34.12 | Marticus | I would... |
| 15:34.19 | stew | Marticus: why would you recommend #xorg to a debian user? |
| 15:34.24 | greycat | ptlis: how do you login ? |
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| 15:34.30 | Marticus | stew, sorry it slipped out |
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| 15:34.42 | ptlis | I'm using GDM on Debian/Sarge |
| 15:34.47 | elnovato | who uses xorg in here? |
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| 15:34.55 | Marticus | stew good point though, I suppose I meant the other channel, but no one uses that anymore... |
| 15:34.56 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:34.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:34.57 | abiocoen | travisat, even in internet programming?! |
| 15:34.58 | Marticus | so belay my last |
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| 15:35.08 | stew | Marticus: nobody uses what? |
| 15:35.15 | greycat | ptlis: gdm reads ~/.gnomerc and then goes on to read the system-wide default configuration |
| 15:35.17 | Marticus | the old x chan |
| 15:35.18 | travisat | abiocoen: I use perl/cgi or php if possible |
| 15:35.23 | elnovato | pants |
| 15:35.24 | juhov | Current, eXpReSs, roselovelygi are all porn spammers |
| 15:35.37 | greycat | ptlis: unless you change it to use "Debian session" in which case it reads ~/.xsession instead of the system-wide default |
| 15:35.38 | ptlis | Thanks for the help greycat. |
| 15:35.40 | Marticus | stew just ignore me, no need to be upset, everyone ignore me, oh my god the fucking drama... |
| 15:36.03 | Marticus | *grin* |
| 15:36.44 | abiocoen | travisat: ok, thx |
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| 15:37.03 | travisat | abiocoen: if you like java, use it, its just not for me |
| 15:37.18 | drac | ops, please notice what juhov said. |
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| 15:37.26 | smace | how do I change the GTK1 theme? |
| 15:37.34 | Marticus | I've got adult a.d.d. so don't give me hell for screwing up :P |
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| 15:38.00 | abiocoen | travisat: I think, it's more easy to learn than learn c++ |
| 15:38.06 | Marticus | inattentive type |
| 15:38.19 | travisat | abiocoen: not if you knew C first |
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| 15:38.36 | *** kick/#debian [eXpReSs!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (greycat) |
| 15:38.40 | Marticus | go greycat |
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| 15:39.30 | abiocoen | where I can find drivers for Lexmark z35 &Epson Perfextion 660? |
| 15:39.45 | drac | abiocoen: check out linuxprinting.org |
| 15:39.48 | smace | ° how do I change the GTK1 theme?? |
| 15:39.49 | Marticus | hehe z35... |
| 15:39.54 | smace | is there any gui for doing that? |
| 15:40.04 | abiocoen | grac: grasias |
| 15:40.13 | Marticus | I got rid of my free z35 a few years ago as there wasn't support for it... dunno about these days |
| 15:40.28 | travisat | Marticus: i got nicotine-deprived hands shaking, while my eyes cross as I await my chance to grab a smoke. |
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| 15:40.38 | travisat | and yet I can sort of make sense |
| 15:40.41 | hogballs | <here here travisat |
| 15:41.01 | Marticus | travisat s/sort of/somewhat/ :P |
| 15:41.30 | travisat | sort of, somewhat, its all good in tennessee |
| 15:41.33 | Marticus | lol |
| 15:41.44 | Marticus | so is beastia... err nevermind |
| 15:41.59 | travisat | and incest, but I stay out of those counties |
| 15:42.01 | nvz | alright well I am down into crunch time, gotta run.. see you all when I get to the burg, and aquire a pc |
| 15:42.04 | Marticus | lol |
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| 15:42.17 | travisat | yes cigarette! |
| 15:42.18 | Marticus | they say the same for indiana kentucky and west virginia |
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| 15:42.28 | sussudio | kansas. |
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| 15:43.02 | abiocoen | what name has firefox package in debian? |
| 15:43.22 | Steven_ | are there packages for heimdal, but compiled with the --with-openldap configure option ? |
| 15:43.31 | Marticus | err |
| 15:43.35 | drac | abiocoen: apt-cache search <what you need> |
| 15:43.47 | Steven_ | abiocoen : mozilla-firefox |
| 15:43.54 | abiocoen | drac: thank you |
| 15:44.03 | Marticus | abi for sarge? |
| 15:44.18 | elnovato | mozilla-firefox |
| 15:44.25 | abiocoen | thanks, guys |
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| 15:45.19 | Marticus | I've wasted too much time on irc this morning |
| 15:45.25 | Marticus | gotta get to work |
| 15:45.35 | elnovato | ill denounce you to yer boss |
| 15:45.51 | Marticus | okay you do that |
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| 15:46.32 | Marticus | my boss is a bastard anyway, I have a job interview tomorrow with iu it dept for a network monitoring job on the abilene project |
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| 15:47.06 | elnovato | job interview... good idea |
| 15:47.26 | elnovato | nah.. im lazzy to work |
| 15:47.36 | Marticus | I wish I could afford that |
| 15:48.00 | elnovato | drink wiskey and chat all day? |
| 15:48.05 | Marticus | being married and having car payments pretty much blows that prospect out of the water :P |
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| 15:49.00 | elnovato | become a gangster |
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| 15:50.38 | miib | Anybody got a guess about how long it will take for x.org to come into the debian repositories ? I know it will only be a guess ! |
| 15:50.46 | oKtosiTe | lol |
| 15:50.53 | abiocoen | =) |
| 15:51.01 | oKtosiTe | !tell miig about xorg |
| 15:51.06 | stefan|bcn | does someone know why proftpd asks for a password if i ry to login as anonymous |
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| 15:51.31 | miib | !tell miib about xorg |
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| 15:51.51 | oKtosiTe | stefan|bcn, ftp servers usually do that, entering an email address is the usual approach |
| 15:52.09 | miib | uhh .. thanks |
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| 15:53.18 | oKtosiTe | no problem miib |
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| 15:53.25 | ggl_6 | marticus: apparently I had to have allowoveride AuthConfig in my document root directory configuration in httpd.conf for .htaccess to access authorization directives, allowoveride none was default config for security, or speed I guess.. thanks for your link! |
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| 15:53.42 | daxxar | Hm. Do I have to compile my own php to get gd-support in it? |
| 15:53.59 | daxxar | I don't see any libapache-mod-gd :( |
| 15:54.06 | greycat | arc1:/tmp# apt-cache search --names-only php gd |
| 15:54.09 | greycat | ... |
| 15:54.09 | greycat | php4-gd - GD module for php4 |
| 15:54.10 | thorn | I have two processes. How can I set priorities about IO time bettwen them? |
| 15:54.11 | thorn | I think that "nice" does not help in this case.. |
| 15:54.16 | elnovato | gd2 its an php extension |
| 15:54.42 | daxxar | aha. Thanks. :) |
| 15:54.54 | daxxar | eh, libapache-mod-gd. What am I smoking. ;p |
| 15:55.07 | elnovato | toilet paper |
| 15:55.53 | daxxar | Mhm. |
| 15:55.53 | elnovato | used* |
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| 15:57.29 | daxxar | Why would "apt-get install apache libapache-mod-perl libapache-mod-php4 libapache-mod-ssl libapache-mod-ssl-doc php4-gd" want to install apache2-utils? o_0 |
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| 15:57.48 | peanut | Why is root#s homedir world readable? |
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| 15:58.07 | stefan|bcn | hmm, oKtosiTe, do u know where i can change the passwordsettings for my proftpd |
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| 15:58.21 | daxxar | aha. apache-common depends on it. |
| 15:58.22 | drac | peanut: I find that funny default also, just chmod o-rwx it. |
| 15:58.24 | daxxar | Strange. :) |
| 15:58.48 | peanut | drac, but all users' home directories are world readable too |
| 15:58.54 | greycat | peanut: man adduser; man adduser.conf |
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| 15:59.10 | drac | peanut: dpkg-reconfigure adduser |
| 15:59.18 | lqgusso | anyone knows how i learn shell script? |
| 15:59.21 | peanut | greycat, my question is: why isn't it secure by default? |
| 15:59.23 | greycat | lqgusso: /topic #bash |
| 15:59.34 | greycat | peanut: hiding your pr0n is not the same thing as "secure". |
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| 15:59.45 | thorn | I have two processes. How can I set priorities about IO time bettwen them? I think that "nice" does not help in this case.. What do you suggest? |
| 15:59.50 | quitte | peanut: and you were asked during installation |
| 15:59.57 | peanut | quitte, nope. |
| 16:00.00 | quitte | yes |
| 16:00.08 | greycat | thorn: it's all inside the kernel. nothing you can do. |
| 16:00.08 | peanut | quitte, nope. |
| 16:00.19 | greycat | peanut: yes, you ARE asked during the installation. |
| 16:00.29 | greycat | unless you installed in potato or earlier, and have been upgrading this whole time. |
| 16:00.36 | peanut | greycat, on sarge I wasnt. |
| 16:00.42 | daxxar | hm. why does php4-gd depend on libx11-6? |
| 16:00.43 | drac | peanut: yes you we're. |
| 16:00.51 | drac | peanut: when configuring adduser. |
| 16:00.51 | daxxar | does libx11-6 have some font-stuff that php4-gd uses? |
| 16:01.07 | thorn | greycat: what actuallly does nice do? |
| 16:01.07 | greycat | peanut: your enter key might be sticky, then, if it hit itself and skipped over the question. But the question WAS asked. |
| 16:01.17 | greycat | thorn: lowers the priority of the process |
| 16:01.36 | fatal_ | daxxar: xpm support? |
| 16:01.43 | greycat | or rather, gives the kernel a *hint* that you'd like it to lower the process's priority. |
| 16:01.45 | lqgusso | greycat i use this line on shell same? |
| 16:01.46 | peanut | drac, I know that I wasnt. what level will it as kat |
| 16:02.00 | greycat | the kernel actually computes the real priority of a process on the fly based on the nice value and its consumption of CPU |
| 16:02.02 | daxxar | fatal_: perhaps. I just feel my server gets bloated when I start installing X-packages on a webserver. o_0 |
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| 16:02.56 | CraHan_ | quick question |
| 16:03.05 | CraHan_ | on debian unstable, why is cupsd running as root? |
| 16:03.16 | CraHan_ | even though the conf has lp and lpadmin set as user and group? |
| 16:03.17 | greycat | uh... so it can listen on the lpd port? |
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| 16:03.36 | CraHan_ | greycat: then why does cups run as cupsys on ubuntu and lp on suse? |
| 16:03.47 | greycat | !tell thorn about msg |
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| 16:04.06 | daxxar | printer-port is like, 515? |
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| 16:04.15 | elnovato | ubuntu is a baker machine , isnt? |
| 16:04.20 | daxxar | which is <1024, which means it needs root to bind to it. (unless i'm mistaken) |
| 16:04.32 | CraHan_ | yes, but it says in the docs that this is only on startup |
| 16:04.42 | PerfDave | CraHan_: Check the BTS |
| 16:04.44 | CraHan_ | once it's bound to that port it runs as another user |
| 16:04.49 | CraHan_ | BTS? |
| 16:04.58 | PerfDave | !btssmite CraHan_ |
| 16:04.58 | CraHan_ | Bugtracking system? |
| 16:05.08 | CraHan_ | ah yes |
| 16:05.09 | daxxar | Haha :-p |
| 16:05.14 | thorn | what is nice about then? |
| 16:05.14 | thorn | if I have process A which consumes a lot of IO time and when I start process B which tries to read some data from disk... then I find that process B running very slowly |
| 16:05.32 | greycat | get more disks, or faster ones |
| 16:05.36 | thorn | I know that nice can give process -20 priotiry. will that help? |
| 16:05.41 | caphuso | thorn: no |
| 16:05.52 | greycat | maxiKhaz: STOp that. |
| 16:05.58 | thorn | if I will limit priority of process A? |
| 16:06.08 | caphuso | thorn: it doesn't affect I/O |
| 16:06.10 | greycat | thorn: priority only affects CPU-bound jobs, not I/O-bound. |
| 16:06.18 | maxiKhaz | OK. Sorry |
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| 16:06.26 | thorn | thanks |
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| 16:07.16 | CraHan_ | nice |
| 16:07.22 | CraHan_ | bug is in there since august 5 |
| 16:07.27 | CraHan_ | severity: wishlist |
| 16:07.35 | daxxar | :p |
| 16:07.49 | CraHan_ | I think running a daemon as root instead of a less harmful user is not a wishlist thingy :) |
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| 16:07.56 | greycat | it's wishlist. |
| 16:08.04 | greycat | unless you find an *actual* hole. |
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| 16:08.15 | CraHan_ | ok, as long as I know that it's not because of something I misconfigured :) |
| 16:09.25 | A-abc | i want to find the number of lines in a file; how can i do that? |
| 16:09.25 | CraHan_ | thanks for the help though :) |
| 16:09.39 | CraHan_ | cat file | wc -l |
| 16:09.46 | petemc | wc -l file |
| 16:09.53 | CraHan_ | or yeah, that |
| 16:10.01 | CraHan_ | why do I always feel the need to cat it |
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| 16:10.04 | maxiKhaz | I have a question about Debian. I tryed to find an aswer in some FAQs but I couldn't. So it's about X |
| 16:10.11 | petemc | :) |
| 16:10.30 | clusty | how can I configure apache2 to accept some perl cgi's (do I need to install any new modules?) |
| 16:10.35 | ggl_6 | how can I see what daemons are alive on the server? |
| 16:10.41 | maxiKhaz | I installed Debian for the firs time and it works only in text mode |
| 16:10.42 | CraHan_ | probably cause that pipe makes it look impressive :) |
| 16:10.59 | daww | How can I make the taskbar double in XFree86? |
| 16:11.03 | maxiKhaz | What shoul I do? |
| 16:11.11 | drp|lab | off topic: is there a good channel on this network to ask networking questions? |
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| 16:11.14 | daww | How can I make the taskbar double in height in XFree86? |
| 16:11.24 | gourmet- | oo |
| 16:11.33 | drac | daww: and what taskbar is that? |
| 16:11.44 | caphuso | daww: by a) being annoying and b) not telling people which stupid taskbar you actually use |
| 16:12.30 | gourmet- | je suis francaise je n arrive pas a faire fonctioner lordi pour aller sur # france help |
| 16:12.37 | stew | !fr |
| 16:12.37 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 16:12.45 | daww | drac, the one in the bottom in Sarge |
| 16:12.46 | Belping-- | can anyone recommend me a program that shows statistics like total upload download, cpu temperature and so on for the shell |
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| 16:13.20 | stew | daww: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 16:14.00 | A-abc | !ro |
| 16:14.02 | maxiKhaz | I was given a message: I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem? |
| 16:14.07 | daww | stew, GNOME |
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| 16:14.13 | gourmet- | playse |
| 16:14.19 | maxiKhaz | The server output was none |
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| 16:14.33 | maxiKhaz | So what to do? |
| 16:14.37 | jetscreamer | maxiKhaz, try modprobe mousedev and see if it helps |
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| 16:14.58 | jetscreamer | and less /var/log/somelog |
| 16:15.07 | elnovato | gourmet-: vous das miersol pailon? |
| 16:15.07 | gourmet- | bay |
| 16:15.13 | saloxin | any good ideas for burning 4.5Gb to windowscompatible cd's? |
| 16:15.16 | maxiKhaz | I tryed only XF86Config - didn't help |
| 16:15.22 | daww | stew, any suggestion |
| 16:15.23 | gourmet- | francaise |
| 16:15.23 | stew | daww: iirc right click on it and go to settings|properties |
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| 16:15.27 | hyy | hello i'm a debian newbie how to reinstall php4 from source specifing my configurations options and make a deb file |
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| 16:15.47 | gourmet- | comment sa fonctione |
| 16:15.55 | marinos | hyy: perhaps you should try something like checkinstall |
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| 16:16.04 | gourmet- | ou doije aller pour parler |
| 16:16.06 | stew | hyy: what options do you want to change? |
| 16:16.15 | stew | !tell gourmet- about french |
| 16:16.19 | elnovato | gourmet-: lame vous hermana? |
| 16:16.20 | drac | maxiKhaz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:16.41 | hyy | stew : i need gdbm support |
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| 16:17.04 | gourmet- | yes |
| 16:17.13 | gourmet- | dur dur la |
| 16:17.15 | hyy | marinosa : thanks i' ve seen and considewring |
| 16:17.22 | maxiKhaz | Does modprobe and mousedev work in the text mode? Should I type the whole path? |
| 16:17.24 | daww | stew, Right click > Properties (I have tried that, but there is no option for 2 lines, just enlarge the menu) |
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| 16:17.38 | jetscreamer | saloxin, something like rar a -v700M /hda1/w2k.rar /hdb1/* then burn the cd's |
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| 16:17.54 | stew | daww: ask in #gnome on irc.gnome.org then |
| 16:17.57 | drac | maxiKhaz: modprobe loads module into your kernel, and mousedev is name of the module. as root, where ever you want: modprobe mousedev |
| 16:18.03 | jetscreamer | maxiKhaz, as root, type modprobe mousedev in console i mean |
| 16:18.08 | saloxin | jetscreamer: ah, rar. thanks |
| 16:18.10 | daww | stew, ok, thx |
| 16:18.20 | maxiKhaz | OK. I'll try. thx |
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| 16:18.27 | jetscreamer | maxiKhaz, that's a usual problem for a fresh install of d-i.. might help might not |
| 16:18.30 | stew | hyy: apt-cache search gdbm and make sure its not available as a separate pacakge, if you need to recompile from source /msg dpkg source |
| 16:18.44 | jetscreamer | how about gdm if that's what you eman |
| 16:18.52 | stew | or gd |
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| 16:19.28 | hyy | gdbm is gnu dbm format |
| 16:19.33 | jetscreamer | oh nm then |
| 16:19.39 | gourmet- | slt tlm |
| 16:20.01 | hyy | and php is compiled not to handle dbm or gdbm |
| 16:20.21 | gourmet- | qui parle francais! |
| 16:20.23 | elnovato | !cluster |
| 16:20.23 | dpkg | cluster is probably at http://www.clustercompute.com Linux High-Availability Project (www.linux-ha.org) |
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| 16:20.38 | stew | gourmet-: /join #debian-fr |
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| 16:21.04 | hogballs | why are people using ubuntu |
| 16:21.31 | jetscreamer | btw rar > zip in this case because zip wants you to make one big zip first so it can break it up |
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| 16:21.42 | elnovato | ubuntu sucks |
| 16:21.46 | gourmet- | je veoudrais bien mes comment je vien juste de achetter l ordi j ai pas l habitude stew |
| 16:21.51 | ricky_clarkson | !french |
| 16:21.51 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:21.51 | drac | hogballs: freedom of choice? (even if it's bad choice) |
| 16:21.56 | jetscreamer | !debian-fr ? |
| 16:21.56 | dpkg | i guess debian-fr is an association giving you some documentation: http://www.debian-fr.org/ |
| 16:22.04 | gourmet- | oui francaise |
| 16:22.05 | stew | hogballs: becuase it has newer pacakges than woody with security updates and has better amd64 support |
| 16:22.05 | hogballs | ok |
| 16:22.08 | sepski | !fr |
| 16:22.08 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:22.11 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 16:22.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:22.13 | hogballs | ahh yes |
| 16:22.14 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 16:22.43 | sepski | jetscreamer, dpkg is clever enougf not to repeat itself ? :) |
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| 16:23.04 | maxiKhaz | what is gdm? |
| 16:23.05 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 16:23.09 | jetscreamer | yes dpkg is |
| 16:23.12 | ricky_clarkson | maxiKhaz: apt-cache show gdm |
| 16:23.13 | gourmet- | dpkg merçi |
| 16:23.13 | dpkg | merçi is probably thanks in french |
| 16:23.15 | jetscreamer | gnome display manager |
| 16:23.27 | jetscreamer | !?dm |
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| 16:23.34 | daxxar | Does apache-modconf have any more userfriendly interface? |
| 16:23.42 | greycat | are you sure there's a cedilla on the c in merci? |
| 16:23.53 | ricky_clarkson | There isn't. |
| 16:23.54 | meff | anyone know which blogging system planet.debian uses? |
| 16:24.04 | jetscreamer | !?dm |
| 16:24.04 | dpkg | [?dm] x,g,k |
| 16:24.06 | peanut | drac, greycat, quitte i just reinstalled sarge. I wasnt asked. |
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| 16:24.15 | maxiKhaz | What is gdm or gd? Is it to configure X? Is it possible that the instalator didn't install Xservet at all? |
| 16:24.23 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 16:24.31 | ricky_clarkson | !?dm =~ s/k/k,s,w/ |
| 16:24.31 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: OK |
| 16:24.39 | greycat | peanut: HOW did you install it? |
| 16:24.40 | jetscreamer | maxiKhaz, try apt-get install x-window-system then |
| 16:24.51 | peanut | greycat, using the iso. |
| 16:24.56 | greycat | WHICH iso? |
| 16:24.59 | jetscreamer | yeah i forgot about that other dm |
| 16:25.08 | peanut | the 5-dec-2004 sarge iso |
| 16:25.20 | jetscreamer | next time try a daily peanut |
| 16:25.31 | greycat | sounds like it WAS a daily. |
| 16:25.33 | peanut | jetscreamer, i did. the daily was from 5 dec 2004. |
| 16:25.37 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.37 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:25.50 | jetscreamer | i need to go watch tv or something |
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| 16:27.09 | daxxar | !?dm |
| 16:27.10 | dpkg | i heard ?dm is x,g,k,s,w |
| 16:27.17 | daxxar | !sdm |
| 16:27.20 | peanut | greycat? |
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| 16:27.29 | maxiKhaz | OK. thx again and CU. I'm going to give it a try. And I'll see |
| 16:27.33 | daxxar | <3 apt-cache show |
| 16:27.38 | JohnFlux | hey all |
| 16:27.44 | peanut | hello john |
| 16:27.49 | elnovato | how to make a decent cluster with 2 pc's ? |
| 16:27.52 | daxxar | Hm, sdm sounds cute. =) |
| 16:27.54 | greycat | peanut: perhaps your daily was defective. I don't know. the release candidates all ask. |
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| 16:28.07 | Skaag | what permission do I give perl scripts in /cgi-bin/ directories when suexec is enabled in apache? |
| 16:28.12 | travisat | elnovato: you don't? |
| 16:28.20 | JohnFlux | Does debian approve/allow APSL 2 code? (i.e. apple's mdnsresponder) |
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| 16:28.55 | peanut | greycat, so if i download disk 1 from http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ it should work? |
| 16:29.09 | greycat | peanut: damned if I know. I've never used anything newer than rc2. |
| 16:29.20 | greycat | peanut: is it REALLY so friggin' hard to vi /etc/adduser.conf? |
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| 16:29.38 | jetscreamer | peanut, is a net installer not an option? |
| 16:30.01 | peanut | greycat, the point is that debian is insecure by default, and if it doesnt ask the question "do you want no permissions on your home directory", then that's a bug, and it needs to be fixed. |
| 16:30.20 | greycat | peanut: having world readable home dirs is NOT INSECURE. |
| 16:30.31 | greycat | peanut: you need to have your definitions reexamined. |
| 16:30.35 | obtix | mozilla just broke.. i didnt upgrade it i didnt do anything (using the same version for weeks) now it just hangs non-stop nothing changed |
| 16:30.50 | petemc | didnt woody ask you if you wanted world readable home dirs? |
| 16:30.51 | usn | hi all |
| 16:30.51 | jetscreamer | and having world readable ~ is an option it asks you, or am i not following the conversation |
| 16:30.58 | peanut | greycat, how is o+rx secure? |
| 16:31.04 | greycat | jetscreamer: he claims that his daily sarge ISO didn't ask him. |
| 16:31.10 | slicedmeat | if i type 'hostname somethinghere' will that hostname stay permanently even after reboot? |
| 16:31.21 | greycat | peanut: BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE CAN COPY YOUR FUCKING .bash_profile AND THEN LEARN FROM IT. |
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| 16:31.24 | greycat | It's called SHARING. |
| 16:31.26 | peanut | jetscreamer, the daily sarge didnt ask. i'm downloading the 28 feb sarge to try that |
| 16:31.32 | greycat | peanut: it has NOTHING to do with security! |
| 16:31.32 | jetscreamer | might not have, iirc it's a new addition |
| 16:31.45 | jetscreamer | peanut, why don't you do a net install? no net? |
| 16:32.01 | peanut | jetscreamer, vmware isnt seeing my network card at the moment |
| 16:32.08 | greycat | and if you have a gripe with the sarge images or the installer, you need to tell #debian-boot, not us. |
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| 16:32.09 | jetscreamer | ah vmware, i know nothing |
| 16:32.19 | greycat | I know something. I know not to use vmware. |
| 16:32.22 | FieldySnuts | amen |
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| 16:32.55 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 16:33.23 | travisat | if you are using vmware, why are you overly concerned about security? |
| 16:33.26 | slicedmeat | if i type 'hostname somethinghere' will that hostname stay permanently even after reboot? |
| 16:33.35 | greycat | slicedmeat: no. |
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| 16:33.38 | greycat | slicedmeat: edit /etc/hostname |
| 16:33.51 | slicedmeat | ok thanks |
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| 16:34.08 | greycat | travisat: doesn't the fact that he thinks world-readable home dirs are insecure already answer your question? |
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| 16:34.44 | fct | hi |
| 16:34.46 | travisat | my other computer is secure, its off. |
| 16:35.01 | fct | anyone having problems loading ipw2100 in sid since last hotplug upgrade? |
| 16:35.25 | PerfDave | fct: Did you check the BTS? |
| 16:35.38 | travisat | dammit, well at least you won't be able to turn it on. |
| 16:35.44 | ricky_clarkson | travisat: Why? |
| 16:35.44 | fct | BTS? what's that? ;/ |
| 16:35.48 | PerfDave | !btssmite fct |
| 16:35.49 | peanut | elnovato, sorry its legit. |
| 16:35.53 | greycat | !kill fct |
| 16:36.05 | fct | :P |
| 16:36.06 | travisat | hmm needs a couple of things, like a processor |
| 16:36.16 | fct | I checked the bugs in ipw2100, jargon is another thing :P |
| 16:36.27 | ricky_clarkson | fct: Jargon is typically googlable. |
| 16:36.37 | peanut | travisat what security problems have you had with vmware? |
| 16:36.37 | fct | hmmmm |
| 16:36.42 | elnovato | peanut: then why you have a parrot on your shoulder? |
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| 16:36.45 | travisat | well doesn't |
| 16:36.55 | peanut | elnovato, thats frank. |
| 16:36.56 | stew | fct: you failed to read the topic |
| 16:36.57 | csorrell | Do I need to do something special to get my network card to be used as a packet sniffer? |
| 16:36.58 | FieldySnuts | peices of eight |
| 16:37.06 | greycat | !cracker FieldySnuts |
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| 16:37.15 | peanut | FieldySnuts, frank has a lisp, he cant say that |
| 16:37.23 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 16:37.28 | stew | csorrell: use ifconfig to make it PROMISC |
| 16:37.38 | csorrell | csorrell: is that in the man file? |
| 16:38.02 | travisat | i have only tried vmware on windows, and windows is by definition unsecure. Breaking glass is easy |
| 16:38.03 | csorrell | stew: thanks |
| 16:38.04 | greycat | greycat: well, you could look and find out. |
| 16:38.28 | csorrell | stew: is this something I can put in the ifup config file? |
| 16:38.31 | stew | stew: yes, he could |
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| 16:39.21 | stew | csorrell: i'm not sure man 5 interfaces, if there isn't a specific setting you can use "up" in interfaces |
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| 16:40.02 | travisat | hmm promiscuous interfaces aren't that secure, I guess we shouldn't use them |
| 16:40.16 | stew | troll? |
| 16:40.17 | brullo | csorrell, whats wrong with ethereal / tethereal ? |
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| 16:42.01 | csorrell | brullo: its not working |
| 16:42.15 | csorrell | now the interface is just dropping all the packets, and still nothing is coming through |
| 16:42.48 | csorrell | atleast I see then now i guess |
| 16:42.51 | brullo | csorrell, firewalled? |
| 16:43.13 | csorrell | brullo: nope, same managed switch as the port im watching |
| 16:43.20 | csorrell | got the switch mirroring the traffic |
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| 16:43.28 | csorrell | I can see the traffic going out the interface off the switch |
| 16:43.33 | tilmaniac | Hi, I recently apt-get upgraded and my kernel-image-2.6 was updated along with the rest of the system. Now at boot I get "Kernel Panic: Attempted to Kill Init" I think the file system root is not being mounted correctly (lilo.conf: boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hda1) any idea whats going wrong? |
| 16:43.34 | csorrell | the interface just doesn't like it apparently |
| 16:43.57 | brullo | csorrell, 3com nic? |
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| 16:44.08 | slicedmeat | i just did apt-get install mysql-server where do i set the passwords now? |
| 16:44.08 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> ? |
| 16:44.15 | csorrell | brullo: nah, a natsemi and broadcom |
| 16:44.19 | stew | csorrell: you have the switch configured to send all traffic to the port the sniffer is attached to? |
| 16:44.21 | PerfDave | slicedmeat: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server may help |
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| 16:44.35 | FieldySnuts | stew: good catch |
| 16:44.39 | csorrell | stew: not all traffic..right now i am only mirroring one port |
| 16:44.39 | travisat | tilmaniac: not knowing much about your system, I would say that you might be missing the initrd |
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| 16:45.04 | stew | csorrell: when you ifconfig do you see PROMISC? |
| 16:45.35 | csorrell | stew: yeah, i do now |
| 16:45.42 | csorrell | stew: but the packets dropped counter just keeps increasing |
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| 16:46.00 | tilmaniac | travisat: initrd=/initrd.img i think the link is correct, it points to the correct img as far as i know. What is the lilo command i have to run if I update lilo if booted into a live CD such as Knoppix? |
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| 16:46.42 | travisat | tilmaniac: damn, umm I have used lilo in so long, I think you have to chroot into your system and run lilo |
| 16:46.54 | fct | yep, chroot and lilo should work |
| 16:46.55 | stew | tilmaniac: the command you are looking for is "lilo" but you must chroot first |
| 16:47.09 | FieldySnuts | go badgers! |
| 16:47.19 | tilmaniac | i'll try now |
| 16:47.22 | csorrell | for some reason its not registering the traffic |
| 16:47.34 | tilmaniac | i'll chroot /mnt/hda1 ; lilo |
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| 16:47.36 | Nooby | i have got a very simple question but its important : how do i switch off a hp 712/80 workstastion ? ´shutdown -h now´ does not power off the box and the power button infront of the box only works to switch it on. |
| 16:47.37 | stew | csorrell: try a different nic |
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| 16:47.43 | blizah | would debain be good for a beginner? |
| 16:47.56 | Blissex | blizah: probably not. |
| 16:47.57 | peanut | blizah, no. use ubuntu. |
| 16:47.58 | csorrell | stew: guess ill have to |
| 16:48.00 | fct | Blizah, I'd try ubuntu first |
| 16:48.05 | FieldySnuts | broadcom nic's are known to be "odd", i can't really elaborate, i had a gigabit one and i couldn't nail why it acted dumb sometimes (ignoring dhcp etc) |
| 16:48.12 | csorrell | blizah: or simplymepis if you want kde |
| 16:48.16 | stew | Nooby: try /sbin/poweroff ; if not you might need to pass something like "apm=poweroff" to the kernel (but I'm not sure exactly) |
| 16:48.17 | Blissex | blizah: or, of course, as you know, Kanotix or Knoppix. |
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| 16:48.32 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting Knoppix |
| 16:48.33 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support Knoppix too. Try #Knoppix or donating money to charity. |
| 16:48.34 | Blissex | blizah: or say Libranet if you want commercial support. |
| 16:48.36 | blizah | been running knoppix...ah hey blissex |
| 16:48.42 | FieldySnuts | heh funny factoid |
| 16:48.50 | travisat | blizah: or just think of debian as a learning experience |
| 16:49.04 | blizah | k |
| 16:49.05 | travisat | blizah: or just use the netinstall and choose desktop |
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| 16:49.24 | greycat | I think you should run Red Hat first, so that when you finally upgrade to Debian, you'll appreciate it. |
| 16:49.30 | tilmaniac | i get /dev/mapper/control: open failed: no such device Incompatible libdevmapper warning: /proc/partitions does not exist |
| 16:49.50 | blizah | i tried redhat and really disliked it :D |
| 16:49.56 | greycat | good. you're sane. |
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| 16:50.14 | sepski | csorrell, does dmesg nag about arp table overflow or ip_conntrack overflow that couses your dropped packets or do your box have low memory ? |
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| 16:50.43 | travisat | no I shall not. |
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| 16:50.57 | hexxeh | there are things to like about fedora. not many, granted, but there are things to like |
| 16:51.06 | greycat | "it's not red hat"? |
| 16:51.06 | travisat | pretty hat |
| 16:51.11 | luctor | why does java -version give me kaffe ? ant removing kaffe removes ant ? Ive set PATH CLASSPATH JDK_HOME and JAVA |
| 16:51.15 | luctor | _HOME |
| 16:51.19 | greycat | luctor: /msg dpkg java |
| 16:51.40 | _rene_ | luctor: because yur alternative is set to kaffe probably |
| 16:51.47 | _rene_ | luctor: update-alternatives --list java |
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| 16:51.51 | greycat | because he has no OTHER java vm installed as a deb... |
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| 16:52.02 | _rene_ | exactly |
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| 16:52.21 | ArdieM | how can i connect to the internet @ boot ?? (im connection through a dsl modem [pppoe] no router) |
| 16:52.22 | ricky_clarkson | luctor: I'll give you the same FUCKING answer in here. |
| 16:52.33 | ricky_clarkson | luctor: As will everyone else. |
| 16:52.39 | ricky_clarkson | luctor: mpkg-java |
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| 16:52.52 | greycat | you mean make-jpkg |
| 16:53.07 | luctor | ricky_clarkson: sorry |
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| 16:53.16 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Actually, I'll give luctor the answer "don't use Java, it's more hassle than it's worth" ;) |
| 16:53.21 | dolson | quick question. can I make a Woody ISO with a newer kernel, or should I just go with Sarge? |
| 16:53.27 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: apt-get install java-package; mpkg-java <filename> (according to apt-cache show java-package) |
| 16:53.29 | luctor | _rene_: thats the ansver I was looking for |
| 16:53.34 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Oh, sorry, you're right. |
| 16:53.37 | nevyn | dolson: how much newer? |
| 16:53.44 | sepski | dolson, just upgrade your kernel when you are thru installing. if the kernel is the only issue you havew |
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| 16:53.52 | hexxeh | !tell dolson about special installers |
| 16:54.03 | dolson | nevyn: 2.4.22 minimum |
| 16:54.03 | luctor | _rene_: it does |
| 16:54.05 | hexxeh | sepski, assumes the install kernels support the install hardware |
| 16:54.10 | nevyn | sepski: except 2.6 doesn't work on woody because of modutils. |
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| 16:54.22 | luctor | _rene_: how can I change alternatives ? |
| 16:54.23 | nevyn | dolson: what's the purpose for the machine? |
| 16:54.25 | dolson | hexxeh: that's right. it's a SmartArray 64x |
| 16:54.29 | kevinz | i would like to ask what software can i use to make gif animate in debian |
| 16:54.32 | dolson | nevyn: Asterisk PBX |
| 16:54.39 | greycat | GRRRRR. This new dpkg is truncating factoids with " ...". |
| 16:54.39 | dolson | kevinz: Gimp |
| 16:54.45 | clusty | how can I extract some numbers from a line outputed by a program (for ex: the temperature from "acpi -t")? |
| 16:54.49 | _rene_ | luctor: eh? would you please think a bit? what do you think a programm called update-alternatives does? :) |
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| 16:54.53 | hexxeh | greycat, so wha... |
| 16:54.58 | greycat | dpkg, java =~ s/a platform/<reply>a platform/ |
| 16:54.58 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 16:55.00 | kevinz | dolson, thanks |
| 16:55.23 | dolson | np |
| 16:55.24 | _rene_ | luctor: update-alternatives --config java |
| 16:55.25 | nevyn | dolson: hrm I'm not terribly familiar with requirements for that but I'd imagine 2.6 would be almost mandatory for such an application I'd install sarge |
| 16:55.27 | luctor | _rene_: sorry Im half asleep here :-) |
| 16:55.35 | Voz | you guys know if i can do ip aliasing via a switch? |
| 16:55.37 | greycat | hexxeh: it's truncating them EARLIER than it used to, and it's chopping off important references at the ends! |
| 16:55.38 | _rene_ | luctor: of course only if you have a deb installed which registers one... |
| 16:55.41 | Nooby | arrgh : have to pull the power cable for reset again |
| 16:55.50 | FieldySnuts | Voz: the switch doesn't give a rats ass about IP |
| 16:55.51 | dolson | nevyn: I'm running fine on older servers with Woody. works great. |
| 16:55.52 | ricky_clarkson | _rene_: apt-get remove kaffe removes ant, so he doesn't. |
| 16:55.58 | hexxeh | hometime. |
| 16:56.07 | greycat | luctor: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:56.09 | _rene_ | ricky_clarkson: ?? |
| 16:56.12 | FieldySnuts | Voz: so probably not, unless it can somehow do it at the MAC level |
| 16:56.13 | ricky_clarkson | _rene_: ??? |
| 16:56.25 | _rene_ | ricky_clarkson: what has removing kaffe to do with alternatives? right, nothing |
| 16:56.40 | Voz | FieldySnuts: My provider is giving me 3 ips, and i dunno which way i can take advantage of that? |
| 16:56.41 | _rene_ | ricky_clarkson: ecept that kaffe is one of the debs providing the java alternative |
| 16:56.46 | ricky_clarkson | _rene_: If he had another jvm installed, removing kaffe would not remove ant. |
| 16:56.49 | _rene_ | but sabevm, Suns stuff etc do also |
| 16:56.56 | _rene_ | ricky_clarkson: right. |
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| 16:57.35 | ricky_clarkson | _rene_: So the fact that apt-get remove kaffe wants to remove ant proves that he doesn't have any other jvm installed (via dpkg) other than kaffe. |
| 16:57.45 | ricky_clarkson | So, I repeat. ??? |
| 16:57.48 | _rene_ | ah, yeah |
| 16:57.48 | dolson | wow. I just got an email from a company that is too busy to support me. |
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| 16:58.47 | luctor | ricky_clarkson: thats true. I dont have any other packages installed through dpkg, but I just remembered that I isntalled som dummy packages and ran update-alternatives |
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| 17:00.26 | greycat | luctor: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 17:00.54 | luctor | greycat: I looked |
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| 17:02.05 | daww | What is the differens between "tar zxf file.tar.gz" and "gzip -cd file.tar.gz | tar xf -"? |
| 17:02.17 | peanut | daww, they have the same result |
| 17:02.21 | greycat | daww: the latter works on non-GNU/Linux systems. |
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| 17:02.36 | ricky_clarkson | luctor: Any reason why you won't do make-jpkg? |
| 17:02.55 | greycat | Hrm.... I thought sarge had java-package. |
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| 17:02.58 | daww | greycat, ok |
| 17:03.02 | ricky_clarkson | !info testing java-package |
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| 17:03.16 | Lenny_ | !info testing java-package |
| 17:03.18 | ricky_clarkson | = 17:03:25 <dpkg> Package 'testing java-package' does not exist. |
| 17:03.19 | luctor | ricky_clarkson: nope, not now :-) |
| 17:03.24 | greycat | Lenny_: are you a fucking parrot? |
| 17:03.26 | dvs | !info java-package testing |
| 17:03.27 | dpkg | java-package: (utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 0.20 (sarge), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
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| 17:03.28 | luctor | ricky_clarkson: I removed kaffe |
| 17:03.34 | Lenny_ | green_earz: yeah |
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| 17:03.40 | jvw | it is in testing for a while already |
| 17:03.40 | stew | ricky_clarkson: the java-pacakge package works on sid/sarge/woody |
| 17:03.51 | ArdieM | how can i connect to the internet @ boot ?? (im connection through a dsl modem [pppoe] no router) |
| 17:04.00 | greycat | oh, duh, I don't have contrib and non-free. |
| 17:04.03 | BleSS | i want set a partition with the next options (/etc/fstab): nodev,nosuid,noexec,notail. I have to add defaults too? |
| 17:04.33 | luctor | ricky_clarkson: still dont work, then I have the wrong PATH I guess to the sun install |
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| 17:04.38 | FieldySnuts | no, you don't. man mount |
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| 17:05.42 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Does it exist on woody? |
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| 17:05.52 | stew | ricky_clarkson: no but the sarge package works on woody |
| 17:05.58 | ricky_clarkson | Right. |
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| 17:07.21 | mew | Anyone know of a PostgreSQL 8.0 backport for either Woody or Sarge? |
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| 17:07.51 | greycat | !wikifaq * InstallJava |
| 17:07.52 | dpkg | *: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallJava or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 17:08.18 | d03boy | in my sources.list file all of them say deb URL stable main -- if I want to upgrade to a less stable versionk, sould I replace "stable" with "sarge" or unstable, or what? |
| 17:08.20 | PerfDave | mew: http://www.apt-get.org/ http://www.backports.org/ but since PostgreSQL 8.0 isn't in Sid yet (AFAIK) I doubt it. |
| 17:08.29 | PerfDave | d03boy: "sarge" |
| 17:08.30 | mew | PerfDave: Nothing on backports.org |
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| 17:08.44 | stew | mew: postgres8 isn't even in sid/experimental yet |
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| 17:08.50 | mew | stew: I know. |
| 17:08.59 | stew | mew: then how could there be a backport? |
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| 17:09.16 | brullo | d03boy, what is wrong with apt-setup ? |
| 17:09.21 | jetscreamer | replace it with sarge or testing / sid or unstable |
| 17:09.35 | jetscreamer | it == woody or stable |
| 17:09.42 | stew | mew: there is a package in the new queue on ftp-master, so hopefully it won't be too long though |
| 17:09.43 | mew | stew: I use the term loosely. s/backport/package/, then :p |
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| 17:10.39 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: No, replace it with sarge. |
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| 17:10.53 | d03boy | granger, I see you everywhere man.. |
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| 17:11.56 | daww | What is the differens between tar.gz and tar.bz2? |
| 17:12.10 | peanut | bzip2 has better compression |
| 17:12.13 | ricky_clarkson | daww: one is gzip and the other is bzip2 |
| 17:12.19 | cat | just finish moving yuck, |
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| 17:12.55 | slicedmeat | i just did apt-get install phpmyadmin and i got apache running but i get this error The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. how can i fix that? |
| 17:13.03 | daww | ricky_clarkson, what should I choose from kernel.org then? kernel-source as tar.gz or tar.bz2? |
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| 17:13.21 | ricky_clarkson | daww: Whichever is smallest, typically. If you have both gzip and bzip2 installed. |
| 17:13.25 | PerfDave | daww: Why not just use a Debian kernel-source package? Or better still, a Debian kernel-image? |
| 17:13.35 | greycat | .bz2 is almost always smaller than .gz for the same original data |
| 17:14.16 | daww | ricky_clarkson, ok, so it doesn't matter, thx |
| 17:14.29 | peanut | greycat, sarge from yesterday gives everyone read access to each others (and roots) files, without asking. How nice! |
| 17:14.41 | ricky_clarkson | Is there some security reason why a file upload script shouldn't just use the same name as the user's supplied filename? |
| 17:14.55 | ricky_clarkson | e.g., a simple CGI or PHP script. |
| 17:15.01 | peanut | ricky_clarkson, yes. they might upload /etc/passwd |
| 17:15.03 | daww | PerfDave, I have tried kernel-image before and I don't know how to make XFree86 to work with it so... |
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| 17:15.16 | ricky_clarkson | peanut: Oh, they could put full paths in? |
| 17:15.19 | fct | well, where is the channel where I can talk about a debian sid bug and not get trouted around? |
| 17:15.29 | greycat | peanut: file an installation bug report and go talk to #debian-boot. We can't do anything more for you. |
| 17:15.30 | peanut | ricky_clarkson, depends on the app, but yes they can |
| 17:15.34 | stew | daww: if that is the case, you will be far less likely by compiling your own kernel |
| 17:15.40 | peanut | "Honorable mention: #debian on irc.freenode.org" -- http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 17:15.49 | stew | s/likely/likely to succeed/ |
| 17:15.50 | FieldySnuts | peanut: piss off. |
| 17:15.52 | greycat | fct: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 17:16.03 | peanut | Still true then :) |
| 17:16.09 | FieldySnuts | troll |
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| 17:16.21 | greycat | peanut: you're welcome to leave at any time. |
| 17:16.31 | daww | stew, ok, is it hard then to make XFree86 to work with a kernel-image? |
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| 17:16.36 | ricky_clarkson | I think banning sussudio would be a good start. |
| 17:16.42 | FieldySnuts | why |
| 17:16.42 | slicedmeat | i just did apt-get install phpmyadmin and i got apache running but i get this error The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. how can i fix that? |
| 17:16.47 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: start of what? |
| 17:16.52 | stew | daww: no. what problems are you having? |
| 17:16.55 | peanut | greycat, that could be the channel topic! |
| 17:16.57 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Improving the channel atmosphere. |
| 17:16.58 | PerfDave | daww: Why do you think that compiling your own kernel will make xfree86 work? |
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| 17:17.00 | FieldySnuts | sussudio is the Keeper of the Badgers, he can't go |
| 17:17.02 | fct | greycat, I already checked that, it's reported for ipw2200, seems like a hotplug error and I can't check the bts often enough, I can help real-time right now |
| 17:17.04 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I have a better idea. |
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| 17:17.12 | FieldySnuts | oh yeah.. do it |
| 17:17.12 | *** mode/#Debian [+q peanut!*@*] by greycat |
| 17:17.15 | FieldySnuts | thanks |
| 17:17.16 | *** mode/#Debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 17:17.24 | daww | PerfDave, I don't, I'm stucked |
| 17:17.40 | PerfDave | daww: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 17:17.40 | greycat | fct: tried #wireless? tried reverting to the previous hotplug? |
| 17:17.44 | stew | slicedmeat: you need a ScriptAlias entry. if this is a virtual host then you need it ot be in that virtualhosts's definition |
| 17:17.45 | PerfDave | daww: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 17:17.47 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I thought you were aiming that gag at me. |
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| 17:17.58 | FieldySnuts | ricky_clarkson: hehe yeah i thought that for a sec too |
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| 17:19.05 | slicedmeat | i just did apt-get install phpmyadmin and i got apache running but i get this error The requested URL /cgi-bin/php/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server. how can i fix that? |
| 17:19.16 | stew | slicedmeat: i told you |
| 17:19.32 | slicedmeat | oh sorry |
| 17:19.35 | slicedmeat | i see now |
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| 17:19.36 | fct | greycat, where can I get the previous hotplug package? my apt cache is clean right now |
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| 17:19.48 | greycat | fct: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 17:19.50 | stew | slicedmeat: read the apache error log |
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| 17:20.03 | daww | stew, I have tried "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" and rebooted |
| 17:20.18 | stew | daww: thats a good start |
| 17:20.36 | stew | daww: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 17:21.32 | daww | stew, Do I just need run '/msg dpkg set up x' to make the image to run XFree86? |
| 17:22.00 | greycat | someone... please... make it stop! |
| 17:22.00 | clusty | in a perl script i am trying to assign the result of a command. I write: |
| 17:22.04 | clusty | my $temp=`cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature|awk '{print $2}'`; |
| 17:22.12 | greycat | clusty: #perl |
| 17:22.28 | stew | daww: type that into your irc client |
| 17:22.42 | clusty | greycat: thanx they did not know. hoping to get it from here. sorry |
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| 17:23.03 | greycat | did not know what? perl? |
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| 17:23.22 | Coily | can someone recommend me a tutorial/walkthrough for compiling programs from source |
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| 17:23.30 | Coily | linux newbie here :x |
| 17:23.33 | Clasico01 | help |
| 17:23.34 | Clasico01 | please |
| 17:23.35 | Clasico01 | Home:~# |
| 17:23.38 | stew | Coily: /msg dpkg source |
| 17:23.39 | greycat | jesus christ. |
| 17:23.49 | Clasico01 | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 17:23.49 | Clasico01 | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 17:23.54 | greycat | !faq Clasico01 |
| 17:23.55 | dpkg | Clasico01: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:23.56 | stew | !b-e Clasico01 |
| 17:23.57 | daww | stew, ok |
| 17:23.57 | dpkg | Clasico01: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 17:24.41 | Coily | dpkg is a bot? :O |
| 17:24.42 | slicedmeat | stew i added a scriptalias but its just asking me to download the files is there a special option for it to eval php? |
| 17:24.49 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 17:24.50 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 17:25.01 | stew | slicedmeat: you need an AddType entry for php |
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| 17:25.22 | FieldySnuts | and to go to #apache and read about apache configuration in the docs at http://httpd.apache.org/ |
| 17:25.32 | greycat | and #php might not hurt either. |
| 17:25.40 | stew | slicedmeat: see if you have one already that is commented out or somehting, and make sure you have a loadmodule for php |
| 17:25.51 | stew | slicedmeat: yes and what greycat said |
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| 17:26.12 | slicedmeat | i tried askin in apache there was only one dude there and he didn't know |
| 17:26.22 | slicedmeat | one dude awake rather |
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| 17:27.04 | greycat | my god, there's a lot of junk in dpkg's mind. |
| 17:27.13 | ricky_clarkson | !stats |
| 17:27.13 | dpkg | Since Fri Feb 25 19:52:57 2005, there have been 48 modifications, 1940 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 695 commands. I have been awake for 3d 21h 34m 16s this session, and currently reference 25237 factoids. I'm using about 15868 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 780.95/37.59 child 715.31/57.16 |
| 17:27.14 | greycat | !literal doesn't know that moose |
| 17:27.14 | dpkg | doesn't know that moose is much larger than a breadbox |
| 17:27.24 | greycat | !literal doesn't know that bsd |
| 17:27.24 | dpkg | doesn't know that bsd is a free linux-like operating system |
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| 17:27.40 | greycat | dpkg, forget doesn't know that bsd |
| 17:27.40 | dpkg | i forgot doesn't know that bsd, greycat |
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| 17:27.55 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Are you on dpkg's userlist so that you're not in danger of being ignored by dpkg? |
| 17:28.00 | greycat | dpkg, forget sure don't know (or my guess |
| 17:28.00 | dpkg | i forgot sure don't know (or my guess, greycat |
| 17:28.02 | daww | Witch kernel should I use, 2.4 or 2.6 on a desktop? |
| 17:28.04 | Chronoz | i have this most wierd problem ... if someone could help me? in firefox and netscape and probably in some other programs too i just know for this two. when i hover over a button or a tab or a link, it kind of moves for a pixel or two :S this hapened to me in slackware too :S its real wierd so if someone has any clue whats wrong ... plz hlp :(( |
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| 17:28.10 | greycat | daww: whichever works best. |
| 17:28.14 | Coily | does anyone know of a script which works like peerguardian - just something to add to iptables? |
| 17:28.17 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I guess I'll find out. |
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| 17:28.26 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Heh. I got ignored for a week or two. |
| 17:28.49 | greycat | dpkg, forget doesn't know that vim |
| 17:28.50 | dpkg | i forgot doesn't know that vim, greycat |
| 17:28.52 | stew | ricky_clarkson: i'll bet he knows the people to talk to about that anyway :) |
| 17:29.11 | ricky_clarkson | stew: So do I, but dondelelcaro wasn't too concerned, because I've not been a regular at the same times as he. |
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| 17:29.24 | daww | greycat, I don't know that |
| 17:29.44 | greycat | dpkg, forget doesn't know what head |
| 17:29.45 | dpkg | greycat: i forgot doesn't know what head |
| 17:30.01 | greycat | hmm, dpkg just told me to stop abusing forget |
| 17:30.04 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 17:30.09 | greycat | but he still responds to me in /msg |
| 17:30.11 | jetscreamer | he told me that once |
| 17:30.14 | greycat | so maybe there's a warning |
| 17:30.18 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: That's a warning, yes. |
| 17:30.25 | jetscreamer | yeah i think it sends a msg to dondelelcaro or something |
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| 17:30.43 | greycat | at least know I can see "listkeys n't know" all on the screen (down to a mere 13) |
| 17:30.46 | Empty | greycat, he should read the topic, no msgs :( |
| 17:30.49 | mikmu | Hey there, I've copied certain directories from one dir structure to another using the following command: find . -iname Production -exec cp -av --parents {} /mnt/net2/Production/ \; Is there a way to emulate this in rsync to do updates? |
| 17:30.54 | mikmu | The features I'm intested is limiting the copy to only directories named production, and create parent folders at the destination |
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| 17:31.44 | greycat | dpkg, they don't know is <reply> Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:31.44 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 17:31.52 | stew | mikmu: man rsync there are --include and --exclude options |
| 17:32.22 | greycat | !tell slicedmeat about they don't know |
| 17:33.02 | Empty | !the new hotness |
| 17:33.27 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: My bot, javabot, does searches through its factoids if you don't get a factoid's name right. When there's shit in there, it comes into the channel occasionally because of that. |
| 17:33.38 | Empty | doh, dpkg hates me |
| 17:34.05 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: < ricky_clarkson> ~shit < javabot> I guess the factoid 'gobshite $1' might be appropriate: < javabot> Your mother was English, $1! |
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| 17:34.34 | Empty | no NM i got it right, he just tripped "the" |
| 17:34.40 | greycat | apparently at least 2/3 of a slew of newbies have said things like "dpkg doesn't know that foo is broken" or similar, and now there's a bunch of those in his memory. |
| 17:34.45 | Empty | tripped = stripped |
| 17:35.01 | Phated | greycat: More than "a bunch", truth be told. |
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| 17:35.29 | Nooby | still don´t know how to switch off my new hp 712 workstation ... ´shutdown -h now´ ´/sbin/poweroff´ do not work. and the power switch only works to switch it on ... has anybody got an idea how to take power from the box except pulling the power cable ? |
| 17:35.44 | greycat | Nooby: hold the button for 5 seconds |
| 17:35.48 | PerfDave | Nooby: Are you using APM or ACPI? |
| 17:35.54 | greycat | PerfDave: hahahaha. |
| 17:36.03 | daww | Should I use kernel-image-2.6.8-686-2-686-smp or kernel-image-2.6.8-686-2-686 for a P4 HT (Hyper threading)? |
| 17:36.04 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 17:36.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:36.04 | A-abc | hi guys..need help..how could i write in bash -> if hour between 0am and 9am then execute application; else execute another application ? |
| 17:36.11 | Nooby | PerfDave, APM ACPI : its parics |
| 17:36.14 | greycat | PerfDave: an hp 712 is from circa 1994. |
| 17:36.16 | Nooby | *pa-risc |
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| 17:36.29 | greycat | maybe 95-96 at the *latest*. |
| 17:36.34 | PerfDave | greycat: Pardon me for not knowing about obsolete technology ;) |
| 17:36.38 | ricky_clarkson | !be random |
| 17:36.39 | dpkg | ORANGES! |
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| 17:36.56 | greycat | that's not terribly random. |
| 17:36.59 | greycat | !cookie ricky_clarkson |
| 17:37.01 | dpkg | Hey greycat, qotd83 is how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
| 17:37.09 | Chronoz | sorry to repeat myself, but if anyone can help me /msg chronoz :( .... have this most wierd problem ... if someone could help me? in firefox and netscape and probably in some other programs too i just know for this two. when i hover over a button or a tab or a link, it kind of moves for a pixel or two :S this hapened to me in slackware too :S its real wierd so if someone has any clue whats wrong ... plz hlp :(( |
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| 17:37.32 | Phated | Er... |
| 17:37.39 | Empty | !msg me |
| 17:37.40 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg empty. |
| 17:37.41 | PerfDave | Chronoz: Your WM is doing something with the mouse pointer image? |
| 17:37.47 | daww | Should I use kernel-image-2.6.8-686-2-686-smp or kernel-image-2.6.8-686-2-686 for a P4 HT (Hyper threading)? |
| 17:38.00 | PerfDave | !tell daww -about repeat |
| 17:38.02 | stew | daww: smp |
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| 17:38.09 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Nice, didn't know about that |
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| 17:38.19 | Nooby | PerfDave, obsolete technology depends on your requirements |
| 17:38.27 | PerfDave | Nooby: Yeah, whatever. |
| 17:38.39 | Empty | what is under dpkg's hood? (the bot not the bin) |
| 17:38.44 | ricky_clarkson | Empty: blootbot |
| 17:38.46 | Coily | can someone recommend me a tutorial/walkthrough for compiling programs from source? "dpkg-buildpackage" looks for a debian changelog when all ive got is the source... |
| 17:39.00 | greycat | Coily: less README; less INSTALL |
| 17:39.05 | Empty | ricky_clarkson, thanks. He is mildly disdainful when I ask him about eggdrop |
| 17:39.23 | PerfDave | Coily: The APT HOWTO |
| 17:39.39 | stew | Coily: that are you compiling? |
| 17:39.44 | stew | s/that/what/ |
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| 17:39.55 | PerfDave | Coily: If you're not building a Debian package (from a Debian or Debian-compatiable source package) then dpkg-buildpackage won't work. |
| 17:39.57 | Coily | stew peerguardian |
| 17:40.02 | PerfDave | Coily: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 17:40.13 | Coily | soure here http://www.methlabs.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=714 |
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| 17:40.50 | Nooby | greycat : 5 sec pulling the powerswitch does not work. the guy who gave me the box told me that i have to forget everyhting i know about pcs, because its a workstation. i didn´t know that this means i even have to learn how to switch it off lol |
| 17:40.53 | A-abc | hi guys..need help..how could i write in bash -> if hour between 0am and 9am ? |
| 17:40.59 | greycat | dpkg, no, eggdrop is <reply> Eggdrop!? I scoff at Eggdrop bots! I'll have you know, $nick, that I am a blootbot, and proud of it! If you really want to sift through the rubbish heap of Tcl, it's allegedly sitting somewhere near <ftp://raistlin.toledolink.com/pub/eggdrop>, but don't say I didn't warn you! |
| 17:40.59 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 17:41.23 | stew | s/$nick/$who/ ? or is $nick the same? |
| 17:41.30 | greycat | stew: worked in /msg when I tested. |
| 17:41.49 | stew | cool |
| 17:42.05 | tweekken_ | A-abc: you are asking how to script read up on shell script FAQs and HowTos |
| 17:42.12 | greycat | Nooby: I've never had a problem switching off our 715s, so .... who knows. |
| 17:42.27 | greycat | Nooby: we only ever had one 712 here, and we sold it. |
| 17:42.44 | PerfDave | A-abc: #bash |
| 17:42.51 | stew | A-abc: man date, you can get it to only tell you the hour |
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| 17:43.05 | greycat | and you can use (( )) to do math. |
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| 17:43.37 | ricky_clarkson | $(( )) |
| 17:43.49 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: only if you want to do a substitution at the same time. |
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| 17:44.03 | greycat | if (( foo > 0 && foo < 9 )); then ... |
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| 17:44.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: echo ((1+2)) |
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| 17:45.24 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: for echo, you want a substitution of course. |
| 17:45.37 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Oh? No entiendo. |
| 17:45.38 | daww | Is there anything I have to do with grub after I have run "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp"? |
| 17:45.54 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: but since he wanted to do a *check*, you don't need the "$", because you don't want to substitute the true/false value. |
| 17:45.57 | PerfDave | daww: You shouldn't have to, it should automatically register the kernel with your bootloader. |
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| 17:46.28 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: (( )) returns true or false, and $(( )) returns a number? |
| 17:46.28 | daww | PerfDave, Thx |
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| 17:47.16 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: it's more subtle than that. $(()) does a substitution but (()) just forces a numeric context. |
| 17:47.22 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: see the #bash /topic |
| 17:47.26 | daww | PerfDave, Is it just to reboot then? |
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| 17:48.02 | slicedmeat | whats the default serverroot dir when you first apt-get install apache2? |
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| 17:48.23 | daww | PerfDave, I have some commands that I would run to make the kernel run XFree86 at startup, is there anything else I should think about? |
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| 17:49.03 | swb | i just installed kernel-image-2.6.10-1-k7 ok, but modprobe is not finding my modules, what am I missing? |
| 17:49.19 | PerfDave | daww: What the fuck are you talking about? The kernel and xfree86 have nothing to do with each other, by and large. Certainly a kernel can't "run XFree86 at startup". |
| 17:49.28 | jetscreamer | update-grub maybe |
| 17:49.37 | jetscreamer | install ?dm |
| 17:50.04 | PerfDave | daww: Why are you installing new kernels rather than *fixing your damn X problem*? |
| 17:50.04 | swb | sorry, ignore |
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| 17:51.05 | s1m0n3 | hi |
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| 17:51.38 | s1m0n3 | can i have the italian the name of italian channel?? |
| 17:51.48 | paxmaster | hi there, i don't have make command what packages do i need |
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| 17:51.58 | PerfDave | !wayttd paxmaster |
| 17:51.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, paxmaster? |
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| 17:52.39 | paxmaster | i have download a bare debain sarge version |
| 17:53.38 | paxmaster | i want to compile a source but i don't have make command |
| 17:53.50 | dwu | when i use screen in a while loop it always say terminal required.. is there a way to fake it? |
| 17:54.00 | PerfDave | paxmaster: What source are you trying to compile? |
| 17:54.01 | dwu | im trying to start a lot of process running in the forground on diff terminals |
| 17:54.33 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 17:54.33 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 17:54.57 | paxmaster | uptodate client for no-ip |
| 17:55.41 | PerfDave | paxmaster: apt-get install no-ip |
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| 17:56.34 | JohnFlux | is there an environment variable I can set to have gcc also search for header files in? |
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| 17:57.12 | paxmaster | thanks |
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| 17:57.41 | Chronoz | what do i have to add to my grub conf file so it wont load rivafb? video=rivafb:off or just rivafb=off |
| 17:58.14 | paxmaster | but at the end it give me and error saying can't find the configuration file /etc/no-ip.conf |
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| 17:58.41 | PerfDave | paxmaster: Read the documentation, check the BTS? |
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| 17:59.48 | eleazar- | hi, should i download the official sarge iso images? |
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| 18:00.06 | paxmaster | ok i am using the man |
| 18:00.07 | ricky_clarkson | eleazar-: Or just the net install image. |
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| 18:00.43 | wanderer_ | if you are going to have a desktop system |
| 18:00.44 | solars | what do I have to reconfigure if I want to change my screen resolution from 1024 to 1280 again ? always forget that.... |
| 18:00.48 | eleazar- | ricky_clarkson: yeah, i know that. but those sarge images are good? |
| 18:00.49 | wanderer_ | i recommend you to get the netinstall image, |
| 18:01.07 | wanderer_ | install from it, and after the installation apt-get the packages you want |
| 18:01.09 | ricky_clarkson | eleazar-: Good? They're amazing! Actually I don't know, I installed from woody and then upgraded. |
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| 18:02.28 | PerfDave | !full cd advocacy |
| 18:02.28 | dpkg | i heard full cd advocacy is you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you ... |
| 18:02.47 | Mefdahl | solars: xserver-common I believe |
| 18:02.53 | sonsahne_ | türk var mý |
| 18:03.05 | solars | thx |
| 18:04.03 | asg | solars: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:04.12 | solars | ah yeah that was it |
| 18:04.14 | jon273 | where does it tell me about the release names? e.g. woody? |
| 18:04.17 | jetscreamer | that's why you have > 1 box |
| 18:04.37 | asg | jon273: /msg dpkg releases |
| 18:04.39 | jetscreamer | something toy story-ish |
| 18:04.41 | jetscreamer | ah that |
| 18:05.25 | jetscreamer | dpkg, full cd advocacy is also maybe a good reason to have more than one computer |
| 18:05.25 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 18:05.45 | jon273 | asg, thx |
| 18:05.49 | asg | jon273: you're welcome |
| 18:05.58 | jetscreamer | bah.. how do i tell him to forget what i just added |
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| 18:07.30 | eleazar- | wanderer: ok, downloading the netinst image =D |
| 18:07.38 | slicedmeat | whats the default serverroot dir when you first apt-get install apache2? |
| 18:07.42 | jon273 | Is it possible to ssh to a box after it's booted from an install cd and perform the install remotely? |
| 18:07.53 | asg | slicedmeat: /var/www/apache2-default (or something similar) |
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| 18:08.06 | jonathan_ | has anyone heard of 'gconftool-2: relocation error's when updating gnome? |
| 18:08.11 | jetscreamer | ssh wouldn't be loaded |
| 18:08.12 | slicedmeat | thanks asg |
| 18:08.26 | asg | slicedmeat: or rather it's /var/www but apache translates '/' to /apache2-default using mod_rewrite |
| 18:08.32 | jon273 | jetscreamer, started? or installed? |
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| 18:09.59 | daxxar | Where do I find the IDE-controller drivers for "Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R)" controller, on a 2.4 kernel. :) |
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| 18:10.12 | dvs | PII4 |
| 18:10.17 | n00bin | hello everybody, could somebody please offer advice on choosing the best kernel version for my three year old hardware under woody? is the latest always the greatest, i.e. 2.6.10 or is it better to choose a kernel version based on age / type of hardware as i suspect? |
| 18:10.25 | jon273 | so woul di be able to start ssh, and perform the rest of the install remotely? |
| 18:10.36 | jetscreamer | pxii or so |
| 18:10.43 | jetscreamer | ide-pxii i think |
| 18:10.51 | Blissex | n00bin: 2.6.x kernel are still a bit edgy, I suggest the latest 2.4.x Debian prebuilt for peace of mind. |
| 18:11.03 | Empty | jon273, just do a base install, then "apt-get install ssh" and you can do the rest remotely |
| 18:11.36 | jon273 | k |
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| 18:12.15 | PerfDave | n00bin: You can't run 2.6 on Woody without added hassle anyway |
| 18:12.19 | n00bin | Blissex, what's the most current 2.4 version on the Debian CDs...can i apt-get it or should i just go to kernel.org |
| 18:12.33 | asg | n00bin: 2.4.18 (for woody) |
| 18:12.35 | n00bin | PerfDave, gotcha |
| 18:12.36 | PerfDave | n00bin: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:12.41 | stew | n00bin: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick the latest for your arch, apt-get install it |
| 18:12.41 | PerfDave | !faq n00bin |
| 18:12.42 | dpkg | n00bin: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:13.12 | Blissex | n00bin: naaaa of you are a flaming n00b never compile from sources... Especially the kernel. |
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| 18:13.27 | daxxar | jetscreamer, Intel PIIXn chipsets support? |
| 18:13.31 | daxxar | Is there anything else I need for DMA? |
| 18:13.38 | Blissex | n00bin: just get a beautifully precompiled Debian package via APT. I suggest 'aptitude'/'synaptic' of course. |
| 18:13.43 | n00bin | but i heard that kernel-package and fakeroot will compile pretty good |
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| 18:13.57 | daxxar | Getting some strange errors when using hdparm: "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument", e.g. |
| 18:13.58 | asg | n00bin: it will |
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| 18:14.55 | n00bin | so if woody cd's latest is 2.4.18 and kernel.org's is 2.4.29, i should probably go with that, right? |
| 18:15.15 | jetscreamer | daxxar, i 'believe' it does |
| 18:15.16 | asg | n00bin: no, if the woody one works for you, use it (it is patched against security flaws, etc.) |
| 18:15.40 | Mefdahl | n00bin: I would use the latest debian.... apt-cache search kernel image |
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| 18:15.50 | Blissex | n00bin: yes yes, they will compile pretty good, but most kernels need patches etc., and you would have not clue which ones to get. |
| 18:15.51 | daxxar | Ok. But I have support for it, and I still get these errors :( |
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| 18:16.05 | n00bin | ok...that's seems to be the consensus...i should use the cd version |
| 18:16.11 | Blissex | n00bin: so just dont go begging for trouble. |
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| 18:16.39 | stew | n00bin: no the concensus is that you use the latest apt-gettable one from security.debian.org |
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| 18:17.05 | n00bin | allllllrighty then |
| 18:17.10 | Mefdahl | laff |
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| 18:19.24 | Mousey | woah, pornbots |
| 18:19.36 | dvs | Mousey: Tell the ops |
| 18:20.27 | Mousey | isn't debhelper a bot too tho? |
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| 18:20.36 | asg | Mousey: an anti-flood bot |
| 18:20.58 | Mousey | which op should be notified then? |
| 18:21.04 | Laney | !op |
| 18:21.08 | asg | Mousey: who's spaming? |
| 18:21.11 | Mousey | Game |
| 18:21.12 | Mousey | and |
| 18:21.14 | Laney | ... :/ |
| 18:21.28 | Mousey | aYCa\ |
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| 18:21.36 | stew | Mousey: /msg dpkg ops |
| 18:21.42 | Laney | !ops aYCa\ Game onjoin |
| 18:21.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: aYCa\ Game onjoin |
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| 18:22.16 | takatumi | these guys just don't give up eh? |
| 18:22.20 | Mousey | yay! |
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| 18:22.37 | Mousey | and now the reason i've come! =) |
| 18:22.52 | jetscreamer | ah +E works well i guess |
| 18:23.00 | Mousey | anyone know if "mount version is older than kernel" will -ever- be fixed for 2.6 kernels? |
| 18:23.25 | asg | Mousey: you trying to run a 2.6 kernel on woody? |
| 18:23.28 | jetscreamer | funny i've never gotten that one Mousey |
| 18:23.36 | Mousey | asg: on sit |
| 18:23.37 | Mousey | sid |
| 18:23.40 | Mousey | or testing |
| 18:23.42 | Mousey | either |
| 18:23.43 | takatumi | never seen it here either |
| 18:23.55 | greycat | jetscreamer: I get it all the time with my newfangled 2.2.26 custom kernel on my woody box. |
| 18:24.01 | jetscreamer | i've gotten the modules.conf is older that something something |
| 18:24.01 | asg | Mousey: never got that either. If mount has been held back, try 'apt-get install mount' to give it a little nudge |
| 18:24.04 | Mousey | as soon as you try using mount 2.12p-2 with any 2.6 kernel |
| 18:24.12 | Mousey | asg: NFS mounts |
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| 18:24.27 | asg | Mousey: is there a bug in the bts? |
| 18:24.30 | Mousey | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=239031 |
| 18:24.32 | Mousey | ya |
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| 18:24.36 | Mousey | but it's a YEAR OLD!! |
| 18:24.37 | JohnFlux | is there an environment variable I can set to have gcc also search for header files in? |
| 18:24.37 | Mousey | wth? |
| 18:24.55 | Mousey | i'm stuck, i can't use Evolution over NFS til i fix this |
| 18:25.05 | greycat | JohnFlux: normally you'd use CPPFLAGS=-I... ./configure |
| 18:25.13 | greycat | JohnFlux: that feeds ./configure, not gcc. |
| 18:25.16 | Mousey | and i can't go down to 2.4 because the libata doesn't have SATA in 2.4 |
| 18:25.22 | Mousey | ICH6, to be specific |
| 18:25.24 | greycat | Mousey: so why not simply *ignore* the warning? |
| 18:25.38 | Mousey | greycat: because Evolution won't work over NFS if i do |
| 18:25.47 | greycat | Mousey: now you make no sense. |
| 18:25.54 | Mousey | greycat: I have 4 users who can't use mail because of it |
| 18:25.56 | JohnFlux | greycat: thanks. going through cross-compiling nightmare :) |
| 18:26.06 | greycat | Mousey: I think you have misunderstood the actual problem, then. |
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| 18:26.19 | Mousey | greycat: actually, i've been researching this for about a month |
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| 18:26.28 | greycat | it sure as hell isn't the *warning* message that's causing your problems. More likely lack of file locking between Linux NFS client and your NFS server.... |
| 18:26.44 | Mousey | yes! fnctl: permission denied to be specific |
| 18:26.51 | greycat | Mousey: that's locking. |
| 18:27.14 | Mousey | greycat: well, it was working fine on 2.4 til i switched to 2.6, and then i started getting the problem. |
| 18:27.20 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 18:27.20 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 18:27.35 | Mousey | ..and google and evo lists coorelate the "mount version older than kernel" problem |
| 18:27.57 | Mousey | greycat: hahaa, funny |
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| 18:29.08 | Mousey | ok, it's locking. I'll bite.. but how do i fix it? i've even gone and activated lockd when i start nfs-common, on both ends.. but to no avail |
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| 18:29.27 | Weeble | what is the "correct" way of switching something from an S to a K in a given runlevel ? |
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| 18:29.41 | Mousey | Weeble: man update-rc.d |
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| 18:30.02 | Weeble | update-rc.d doesn't seem to affect it if entries are already there tho |
| 18:30.08 | p88 | what is the difference between xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gnome? |
| 18:30.22 | Mousey | Weeble: might try -f |
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| 18:31.37 | Weeble | Mousey: nope, it just says "already exist" |
| 18:31.40 | Mousey | anyway, the userland statd and lockd are loading on both ends, but i still get the fnctl: Permission denied when trying to write the Inbox. what could I be missing? |
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| 18:32.18 | Mousey | Weeble: well you could always use ln |
| 18:32.41 | Weeble | well I could have done it manually in the time I've been staring at update-rc.d |
| 18:32.45 | elnovato | so the trick is install redhat, then mutate it to debian? |
| 18:33.38 | takatumi | elnovato: no, install redhat and *you* begin to mutate |
| 18:33.43 | Mefdahl | lol |
| 18:33.58 | elnovato | rofl |
| 18:34.08 | Weeble | Mousey: as far as I can tell update-rc.d is only for adding and removing entries if you are actually adding and removing a service |
| 18:34.20 | Mousey | yah. you're not? |
| 18:34.22 | Mefdahl | I was hired to build a HA cluster with redhat once... OMG what a nightmare... |
| 18:34.40 | Weeble | Mousey: I just want to stop some things running at certain runlevels |
| 18:34.43 | HSorgYves | did i understand the news: will sarge kernel remain 2.6.8 and 2.6.10 will never move to it? |
| 18:34.50 | elnovato | Mefdahl: is there a how to for HA debian? |
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| 18:35.20 | Mousey | Weeble: aah.. yah, try removing it, then the form update-rc.d [-n] <basename> start|stop NN runlvl [runlvl] [...] |
| 18:35.30 | takatumi | Weeble: maybe try sysv-rc-conf |
| 18:35.30 | Mefdahl | Not that I'm aware of, never had a reason to go there. |
| 18:35.35 | Mousey | no! |
| 18:35.36 | Mousey | wait |
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| 18:35.47 | Mefdahl | but the stuff is all pretty standard. |
| 18:35.50 | Mousey | update-rc.d <basename> stop NN runlvl runlvl |
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| 18:36.09 | Weeble | Mousey: no that tells me it already exists |
| 18:36.12 | Mousey | aah |
| 18:36.13 | Mefdahl | and for as much of redhat as I had to rewrite... a debian solution would of prolly come out cleaner. |
| 18:36.15 | Mousey | communists |
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| 18:36.21 | Mousey | ya, use ln |
| 18:36.28 | Mousey | brb, afk |
| 18:36.30 | ricky_clarkson | What's up with communism? |
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| 18:37.20 | ricky_clarkson | Mousey: /msg dpkg away |
| 18:37.34 | Mefdahl | Alrigty I gotta go back out to the shop and finish troubleshooting the last of these damn verizon video kiosks. |
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| 18:39.43 | Laney | !tell kony about pm |
| 18:39.51 | Laney | !tell kony about msg |
| 18:39.52 | Laney | even. |
| 18:39.53 | Laney | ¬_¬ |
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| 18:41.34 | grivell | !tell Laney about grivell |
| 18:42.08 | Laney | hah, thanks |
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| 18:43.37 | slicedmeat | what user group do you need to be in to use mysql? |
| 18:43.54 | robin_sz | evening girls, will vpopmail and sqwebmail work with exim4? |
| 18:44.41 | robin_sz | as I cant be arsed to do the qmail thing |
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| 18:46.37 | PerfDave | robin_sz: apt-cache show vpopmail-bin suggests that it's a tool for administering qmail installations, which suggests that it won't work with non-qmail. |
| 18:46.41 | stew | slicedmeat: no particular user group |
| 18:46.50 | A-abc | hey..i've read the docs about bash but i couldn't find what's the "<" equivalent; probably i'm too tired..is there anybody who can help me with an answer? |
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| 18:46.59 | Laney | kony: please don't pm me |
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| 18:47.24 | stew | PerfDave: vpopmail works with courier |
| 18:47.26 | ricky_clarkson | Laney: hint, /umode +E |
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| 18:47.39 | Laney | (UMODE) is an invalid command |
| 18:47.42 | PerfDave | stew: *shrug* I'm just going by the package description. |
| 18:47.44 | Ronin | robin_sz: have you looked at qmailrocks.org? pretty straight forward to follow |
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| 18:47.51 | ricky_clarkson | Laney: Get a decent IRC client. |
| 18:47.54 | Laney | nm, got it |
| 18:47.58 | Laney | /mode laney +E works |
| 18:48.04 | tweekken_ | A-abc "<" equiv? |
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| 18:48.15 | Laney | so can i not get any PMs now? |
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| 18:48.45 | ricky_clarkson | Laney: Only ones from registered users. |
| 18:48.52 | ricky_clarkson | Sorry, identified users. |
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| 18:49.31 | Laney | right |
| 18:49.39 | grivell | Didn't work? |
| 18:49.56 | A-abc | "<" in bash pls? |
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| 18:50.20 | munzir | Hi! Can any one tell me how to defragment my hard disk in Linux? |
| 18:50.33 | NaRCoT | I Just upgraded Kernel to 2.6.10 and now when I try opening X I get: 'XIO: Fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0.0"' what should I do? |
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| 18:51.10 | A-abc | maybe you should check your X config file |
| 18:51.14 | stew | !defrag |
| 18:51.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, defrag is the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
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| 18:51.35 | stew | munzir: ^^ you don't |
| 18:51.45 | elnovato | whats a nice program to make flowcharts?? |
| 18:51.53 | ricky_clarkson | munzir: You remove vfat and make the partition be ext3. |
| 18:52.00 | stew | elnovato: dia maybe? |
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| 18:52.36 | elnovato | mmm |
| 18:52.52 | munzir | stew, ricky_clarkson: how come? even Unix has defragmentation! How then the files are stored in LInux?! |
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| 18:53.24 | njan | elnovato, visio :) |
| 18:53.26 | ricky_clarkson | munzir: ext2 and ext3 have very low fragmentation, because they are designed better than FAT32 was. |
| 18:53.40 | NaRCoT | I Just upgraded Kernel to 2.6.10 and now when I try opening X I get: 'XIO: Fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server "0.0"' what should I do? |
| 18:54.04 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx NaRCoT |
| 18:54.06 | dpkg | NaRCoT: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 18:54.06 | stew | NaRCoT: read the x logs |
| 18:54.24 | stew | NaRCoT: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 18:54.25 | NaRCoT | dpkg: thanks |
| 18:54.25 | dpkg | no worries, NaRCoT |
| 18:54.39 | munzir | ricky_clarkson: but I know in HP-UX for example there is a defragmentation command so it's not Windows-specific, can you refer me to more documentation of this? |
| 18:54.43 | NaRCoT | stew: Used 'apt-get install' |
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| 18:55.37 | elnovato | njan: visio cant be found on apt |
| 18:55.46 | ricky_clarkson | munzir: What makes you think you need to defrag your file system? |
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| 18:57.39 | maketo | huh |
| 18:57.46 | maketo | BitchX just segfaulted on me |
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| 18:58.23 | njan | elnovato, I was kidding; visio is windows-only, and not free :) |
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| 18:58.44 | ricky_clarkson | !cookie ricky_clarkson |
| 18:59.06 | idnar | heh |
| 18:59.23 | NaRCoT | dpkg: Now I get 'Falied to initialize core devices' |
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| 18:59.31 | ricky_clarkson | NaRCoT: dpkg is a bot. |
| 18:59.39 | NaRCoT | sorry |
| 18:59.45 | NaRCoT | stew: ? |
| 18:59.46 | stew | NaRCoT: read the X log |
| 18:59.57 | ricky_clarkson | /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:59.58 | NaRCoT | stew: where can I find it? |
| 19:00.01 | stew | NaRCoT: look for errors, probably your mouse is configured incurrectly |
| 19:00.07 | stew | s/cur/cor/ |
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| 19:00.20 | NaRCoT | stew: ricky_clarkson: 10x |
| 19:00.27 | ricky_clarkson | TNX1E6 |
| 19:01.04 | Belping-- | can anyone recommend me a program that shows statistics like total upload download, cpu temperature and so on for the shell |
| 19:01.05 | munzir | ricky_clarkson: the problem is when one removes part of the file and store other files the defragmentation should happen. I can't yet understand how Linux get around this! |
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| 19:01.40 | ricky_clarkson | munzir: Maybe it moves the file at the time of writing. |
| 19:01.59 | stew | munzir: ext3 fragments on purpose for efficiency even, fgi |
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| 19:03.05 | ricky_clarkson | munzir: http://www.google.com/search?q=defragment%20ext2 |
| 19:03.07 | simmerz | what user does fetchmail run as when it is a daemon? |
| 19:03.12 | stew | munzir: if you really want to defrag, your best bet is to backup the data, make a new fs, and restore the data |
| 19:03.22 | munzir | stew: what fgi stands for? ;) where can I find this info? |
| 19:03.25 | stew | !fgi |
| 19:03.25 | dpkg | from memory, fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/, and see http://www.moule.org/images/bart.jpg |
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| 19:03.54 | ricky_clarkson | Unfortunately, googling for fgi is unproductive ;) |
| 19:04.02 | ricky_clarkson | Mousey: /msg dpkg away |
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| 19:04.22 | Mousey | ahahah!! |
| 19:04.39 | thegraham | i've just rebooted my debian box and all it says is "LI", and then doesnt boot |
| 19:04.44 | ricky_clarkson | !li |
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| 19:04.45 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try ... |
| 19:04.50 | Mousey | dpkg is so informative! |
| 19:04.52 | munzir | ricky_clarkson: thanks for the link I will read all the info there |
| 19:05.25 | thegraham | thanks, don't think the drive size has changed since I last booted |
| 19:05.51 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Did you find a way around dpkg's ...? |
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| 19:06.23 | Mousey | yikes |
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| 19:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | One more cup of tea, that's all.. |
| 19:07.13 | thegraham | If I try to boot the rescue disc, i get a message about a kernel panic, not able to mount root filesystem |
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| 19:07.16 | drqk_ | hello, i have just installed 2.6.10 kernel and i get INIT: Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes ..... what shall i do to fix this? |
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| 19:07.58 | ricky_clarkson | drqk_: http://www.google.com/search?q=init%20respawning |
| 19:08.17 | saluteme | hello i added a sql user and it shows up in the table but when i try to login it says access denied, is there a usergroup i have to be in? |
| 19:08.28 | thegraham | kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 3a:05. How do I boot the rescue disc? |
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| 19:08.54 | stew | saluteme: read the mysql logs, you probably didn't enable that user for the right ip address or somehting, its got nothing to do with user groups |
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| 19:09.10 | ricky_clarkson | thegraham: Try linux root=/dev/something else |
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| 19:09.25 | thegraham | i did - they all get other errors |
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| 19:09.33 | thegraham | hda2 is the root partition |
| 19:09.37 | bn | hi, I got a problem here: apt-get fails on "apt-get -f install" because kdelibs-data_4%3a3.3.2-1_all.deb and openoffice-de-en both contain the same file /usr/share/mimelnk/application/vnd.sun.xml.calc.desktop. What can I do now? I can't even remove any package because of bad dependencies. |
| 19:09.47 | *** part/#debian jose (~jose@171.Red-217-125-94.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:09.49 | ircdevil | spambot -> [NeScHe`mUziK`diN(Gay@84.20.166.181)] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:09.59 | saluteme | stew i enabled it for 'blah'@'localhost' and localhost is whats in the db |
| 19:10.05 | ricky_clarkson | thegraham: Can you boot fully from the rescue disk (make it ignore your hard drive)? |
| 19:10.06 | stew | bn: check the bts for both packages |
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| 19:10.17 | stew | saluteme: what does the log say |
| 19:10.21 | resiak | !ops NeScHe`mUziK`diN is a spambot |
| 19:10.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NeScHe`mUziK`diN is a spambot |
| 19:10.25 | bn | stew: bts? |
| 19:10.29 | stew | saluteme: it will tell you what ip it thinks its coming from |
| 19:10.31 | thegraham | how do I make it ignore the hd? |
| 19:10.41 | stew | bn: /msg dpkg bts (in the topic) |
| 19:10.44 | LoRez | klined |
| 19:10.50 | ricky_clarkson | bn: http://www.google.com/search?q=bts%20debian |
| 19:10.50 | resiak | :D |
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| 19:11.26 | bn | ah |
| 19:11.29 | Chest | has anyone set up squirrelmail on sarge? |
| 19:11.34 | Chest | cause I could use some help |
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| 19:11.38 | ricky_clarkson | Chest: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 19:11.56 | mana1 | |
| 19:12.02 | thegraham | ricky_clarkson: how do I get the recue disc to ignore the hard drive? |
| 19:12.10 | Kupal[] | Operator, where can I find some citrix kanucks? |
| 19:12.14 | saluteme | stew the mysql.log is empty |
| 19:12.24 | ircdevil | me and the boss is at open war. i have created a document in lyx and he insists on editing it with word on his mac. so i dumped the document as text and send it to him. no he complains that the document is absolutely unformatted (i couldnt care less) and that there are linebreaks all over. the last thing baffles me somewhat. aint word capable of translating \n to \r ? |
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| 19:12.30 | ricky_clarkson | thegraham: Dunno, haven't used it in ages, I just thought it would have enough to boot itself. |
| 19:12.36 | ricky_clarkson | Kupal[]: What? |
| 19:12.43 | stew | saluteme: then you are looking at the wrong log or you don't have logging turned on |
| 19:12.43 | ircdevil | s/no/now |
| 19:12.58 | eleazar- | Kupal[]: Operator? |
| 19:13.02 | Kupal[] | ricky_clarkson: im going nuts on a citrix server.... |
| 19:13.13 | Ferret | ircdevil: Word for Windows certainly manages. |
| 19:13.28 | stew | !citrix |
| 19:13.28 | dpkg | it's a windowz thing., or a winnt-clone that wants to be a X-server, or thin-client stuff |
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| 19:13.40 | Kupal[] | I say operator jokingly i always come here when I am at my most desperate, nothing like talking to some gueks that may be smarter then you. |
| 19:13.46 | greycat | dpkg, citrix =~ s/thing.,/thang,/ |
| 19:13.46 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 19:13.52 | Kupal[] | stew: I hate it. |
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| 19:14.05 | Kupal[] | GRRR.. wish someone knew where some of these kanucks would be. |
| 19:14.09 | ricky_clarkson | Canada? |
| 19:14.13 | ircdevil | Ferret: word for mac9 dont? :o/ is it somehow possible to searh and replace \n with \r ? (never used word here) |
| 19:14.21 | Kupal[] | Still gotta workm and gotta work trhough my own politics |
| 19:14.31 | coachz | Is there a deb package for Bluefish 1.0? I only see old ones. |
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| 19:14.40 | stew | coachz: /msg dpkg search |
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| 19:14.47 | Ferret | ircdevil: dos2unix and unix2dos (both unix terminal tools) can do it, so can tr, sed, vim,... |
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| 19:14.53 | tweekken_ | ircdevil: maybe use htmltortf |
| 19:14.54 | simmerz | I'm trying to get fetchmail running as a daemon. but when i install fetchmail, fetchmail-common wants to be removed. which do i need? |
| 19:14.57 | coachz | like this? /msg dpkg search bluefish |
| 19:14.57 | thegraham | can I boot into a live cd and fix my boot problem? |
| 19:15.01 | ricky_clarkson | !info bluefish |
| 19:15.03 | dpkg | bluefish: (A Gtk+ HTML editor), section web, is optional. Version: 0.13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1428 kB, Installed size: 6232 kB |
| 19:15.09 | Kupal[] | damn these imaes in IE don't show unless citrix is set for 256 colors or below.. its so F*in lame. |
| 19:15.11 | Guest | i am new. how does this work? |
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| 19:15.14 | ricky_clarkson | coachz: No. |
| 19:15.17 | coachz | and their site says it's at 1.0 version bluefish |
| 19:15.18 | stew | coachz: no, just /msg dpkg search |
| 19:15.23 | karsten2 | Where's the NAT/IPMasq howto for 2.6? |
| 19:15.26 | ircdevil | tweekken_: that is too much service for the ignorant. |
| 19:15.30 | ricky_clarkson | Guest: Type /topic - read the stuff. Then ask questions. |
| 19:15.33 | greycat | karsten2: it's the same as in 2.4 |
| 19:15.38 | karsten2 | greycat: Thanks. |
| 19:15.42 | Guest | how do i get a name? |
| 19:15.52 | ricky_clarkson | Guest: /nick whatever |
| 19:15.54 | cureless | Guest, ask your mom |
| 19:15.54 | coachz | stew, i already know how to do apt-cache search and show |
| 19:16.03 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.12 | stew | coachz: look #291222 then |
| 19:16.14 | Guest | my mom doesn't know anything about computers |
| 19:16.18 | stew | s/look/look at/ |
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| 19:16.31 | Guest | Guest: /nick Phil |
| 19:16.34 | ricky_clarkson | Guest: cureless was attempting humour. |
| 19:16.34 | Guest | eh? |
| 19:16.36 | coachz | stew, that channel is empty |
| 19:16.47 | stew | coachz: in the bts |
| 19:16.47 | ricky_clarkson | Guest: At the beginning of a line, type /nick Phil |
| 19:16.56 | coachz | bts? |
| 19:16.56 | Ferret | Guest: http://irchelp.org/ is a very helpful website. |
| 19:17.06 | greg_work | i have a sed command: sed -r -i "s/\[\w+\]/[$USER]/" file .. how can i change that to only replace the second occurance of \[\w+\] ? |
| 19:17.07 | stew | coachz: yes |
| 19:17.09 | ricky_clarkson | coachz: http://www.google.com/search?q=bts%20debian |
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| 19:17.14 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.15 | stew | coachz: read the topic |
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| 19:17.26 | coachz | stew, i don't want to report a bug |
| 19:17.29 | ricky_clarkson | therealkilkenny: Now /msg nickserv help |
| 19:17.32 | jetscreamer | lies, you have no gun or appolousa |
| 19:17.43 | stew | coachz: yeah, i'm pointing you at an existing one |
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| 19:17.53 | coachz | oh |
| 19:17.54 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: I can use /say /nick Phil |
| 19:17.54 | Empty | so is there some reason the grep on debian does not like -P? |
| 19:18.13 | ricky_clarkson | Empty: No. |
| 19:18.31 | jetscreamer | ricky_clarkson, you may do whatever you wish, you have my permission. but when you rob that bank, don't tell em i sent you. |
| 19:18.35 | mr_ | what should I do if my system is not seeing a cd-r + dvd (combo) drive? I have a SATA hdd and IDE combo drive. Tried with and without scsi, kernel 2.6.10 |
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| 19:18.40 | Empty | weird, this sarge install is giving me crap about it |
| 19:18.55 | coachz | stew, that's an old bug |
| 19:18.58 | Empty | grep --perl-regexp '\s' /etc/passwd (newline) grep: The -P option is not supported |
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| 19:19.05 | stew | coachz: define old |
| 19:19.10 | coachz | january |
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| 19:19.20 | coachz | i guess i have to compile |
| 19:19.23 | stew | coachz: thats not old, and its still open, so its current |
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| 19:19.59 | NaRCoT | When running 'startx' I get: 'Cannot open device /dev/psaux no such device' ? |
| 19:20.16 | greycat | NaRCoT: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 19:20.21 | cureless | NaRCoT, quickly, check to see if somebody stole your mouse |
| 19:20.35 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 19:20.35 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 19:20.36 | NaRCoT | cureless: Very funny |
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| 19:21.01 | cureless | can you tell I don't want to do any work today? |
| 19:21.05 | mr_ | narcot: maybe try to change /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice in your XF86Config |
| 19:21.20 | NaRCoT | mr_: already tried that... |
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| 19:21.37 | mr_ | what about this cdrom? i don't have any /dev/hd*, scd etc. devices |
| 19:21.40 | NaRCoT | how do I use modconf on psaux ? |
| 19:21.47 | greycat | mr_: sounds like you're suffering from udev. |
| 19:21.54 | cureless | NaRCoT, see the 2.6 reference above |
| 19:21.59 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 19:22.03 | mr_ | greycat, so, what shall I do? |
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| 19:22.21 | jetscreamer | look for mousedev and psmouse in modconf |
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| 19:22.32 | therealkilkenny | i've got a problem installing debian 'sarge' |
| 19:22.38 | jetscreamer | when are they going to fix that btw |
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| 19:22.41 | therealkilkenny | it 'hangs' |
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| 19:22.43 | mr_ | and MAKEDEV doesn't create these devices |
| 19:23.02 | NaRCoT | cureless: I can't scroll up... what was it? |
| 19:23.14 | thegraham | ricky_clarkson: ive booted up using knoppix and lilo.conf seems to be fine |
| 19:23.24 | gerard_mp | Hello, one week ago i upgraded my XFree and fglrx (ATI Driver), and X now are crashed :s |
| 19:23.27 | cureless | NaRCoT, "greycat NaRCoT: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse" |
| 19:23.29 | gerard_mp | the errors is: Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! |
| 19:23.40 | gerard_mp | can anyone help me? thanks! |
| 19:23.42 | TwoSchubert | hey, just wondering if there's a debian installation *without* keyboard |
| 19:23.44 | doneill | that's not an error |
| 19:23.58 | Ferret | gerard_mp: That's not a fatal (or even mildly worrying) error. |
| 19:24.03 | greycat | TwoSchubert: no, but I've done 'em without mice ;-) |
| 19:24.17 | Ferret | TwoSchubert: Check your /var/log/X*.log |
| 19:24.27 | NaRCoT | cureless: I can't open '/msg' with this IRC version |
| 19:24.28 | stew | TwoSchubert: you can install debian on a serial console |
| 19:24.39 | Ferret | gerard_mp: Sorry, that message was for you, not TwoSchubert. |
| 19:24.40 | saluteme | do you guys help with blootbot? |
| 19:24.55 | TwoSchubert | stew, and without serial console, like sshd? |
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| 19:25.11 | stew | TwoSchubert: if there is an existing system on there you can do a chroot install |
| 19:25.14 | mr_ | greycat, so if i'm "suffering from udev" shall i change it? |
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| 19:25.19 | cureless | TwoSchubert, you want to install debian over ssh? Like the machine running the sshd? |
| 19:25.20 | greycat | *sigh* |
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| 19:25.44 | therealkilkenny | i get this error message when trying to install debian. (i'm v new so i don't know much). loading module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK'... |
| 19:25.47 | TwoSchubert | cureless, just wondering if I can install debian without monitor, |
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| 19:25.57 | stew | TwoSchubert: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 19:26.01 | quitte | how can i fake to the system that a certain package was installed? |
| 19:26.10 | stew | quitte: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 19:26.12 | TwoSchubert | thank |
| 19:26.16 | quitte | stew thanks |
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| 19:27.14 | daww | Do I have edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for grup if I insert these lines "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
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| 19:27.26 | ircdevil | is there an option in word to import text as paragraphs? (and why does word appear to suck _so_ hard) |
| 19:27.37 | greycat | because... microsoft wrote it? |
| 19:27.52 | solars | what program to use to configure my screen? doesn't work somehow with xvidtune .. |
| 19:27.53 | therealkilkenny | is debian any good? |
| 19:28.07 | greycat | therealkilkenny: yes. |
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| 19:28.11 | Weeble | that is a silly question to ask in here really isn't it ? |
| 19:28.14 | Rennegade | therealkilkenny: you bet |
| 19:28.23 | therealkilkenny | well i can't get it to install |
| 19:28.35 | cureless | therealkilkenny, so are you any good? |
| 19:28.47 | solars | what to use to fit the window to my screen ? |
| 19:28.58 | therealkilkenny | probably not, but it just 'hangs' when i try to install |
| 19:29.16 | Mefdahl | solars: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 19:29.23 | cureless | therealkilkenny, you need to specify your problem better |
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| 19:29.29 | Rennegade | therealkilkenny: you have a working iso right? md5sum checked and all? |
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| 19:30.16 | solars | Mefdahl that does not change the width and height of the display, just the resolution, I mean something like xvidtune |
| 19:30.16 | Rennegade | solars: I edited my grub conf to set screen size on start-up |
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| 19:30.47 | solars | Rennegade, I have 1280x960 but it does not fit at all, and with xvidtune it gets even more messed up :( |
| 19:30.55 | daww | In /boot/grub/menu.lst, is "kernel (hdb,5)" = "hdb5? |
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| 19:31.13 | vonguard | anyone know about cups? |
| 19:31.16 | therealkilkenny | i downloaded an iso from the website of sarge, first 5 disks. When i try to install it goes fine till it gets to loading the module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK' ... it gets to 84% then nothing. Everytime |
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| 19:31.24 | thingfish | eNd is spamming porn link at /join |
| 19:31.36 | stew | thingfish: /msg dpkg ops |
| 19:31.44 | *** mode/#Debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 19:31.50 | Mefdahl | I always pick a 1080x764 rez with the widescreen laptops... and turn on the 'fit to screen' option in the bios. |
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| 19:31.55 | Mefdahl | at least for the consoles |
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| 19:32.04 | doneill | enh, too quick. |
| 19:32.04 | thingfish | thank you, greycat |
| 19:32.07 | darthdavid | [dr nick] hi everybody[/dr nick] |
| 19:32.14 | vonguard | i'm trying to share a parallel printer with cups |
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| 19:32.20 | doneill | [everybody]Hi dr.nick![/everybody] |
| 19:32.20 | paul0 | thanks greycat =) |
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| 19:32.29 | vonguard | can anyone think of a reason the cups machine would be seen as being busy? |
| 19:32.38 | solars | can anyone please tell me how to fit my window to the screen? :/ |
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| 19:32.45 | dimgr | hello |
| 19:32.48 | darthdavid | I'm at my wits end -_- |
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| 19:32.51 | joebob2000 | anyone have luck using a usb/ide bridge and a dvd/rw drive with cdrecord in sarge? |
| 19:32.53 | doneill | a saw |
| 19:32.55 | greycat | solars: what on EARTH are you talking about? |
| 19:33.00 | Rennegade | solars:add vga=791 to grub conf line for your linux |
| 19:33.01 | dimgr | what is that command to put a fat filesystem on a partition ? |
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| 19:33.08 | darthdavid | I'm trying to install the FGLRX driver |
| 19:33.12 | darthdavid | i get it installed fine |
| 19:33.23 | darthdavid | and the module loads right |
| 19:33.27 | darthdavid | and shows up |
| 19:33.27 | solars | greycat, I want to fit the X display to my monitor dimensions ... |
| 19:33.27 | cureless | dimgr, mkfs.vfat? |
| 19:33.30 | dimgr | yeah:) |
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| 19:33.34 | greycat | !drxx solars |
| 19:33.35 | doneill | joebob2000, i've never even considered that at all. there's hardware for that? |
| 19:33.35 | solars | Rennegade, what does that mean ? |
| 19:33.35 | dpkg | solars: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 19:34.05 | therealkilkenny | i downloaded an iso from the website of sarge, first 5 disks. When i try to install it goes fine till it gets to loading the module 'ide-disk' for 'linux ATA DISK' ... it gets to 84% then nothing. Everytime |
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| 19:34.08 | joebob2000 | doneill: usb/ide bridges are extremely popular nowadays, and its registered by the kernel as a scsi device, |
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| 19:34.08 | darthdavid | but when I get my XF86Config file edited to use FGLRX, and not to use the internal AGPGART (i'm on an NFORCE2 mobo) |
| 19:34.08 | solars | greycat, yeah that changes the resolution, but not the dimensions that you can set with xvidtune ? I don't know how to explain .. |
| 19:34.18 | darthdavid | It gives me a no device detected error |
| 19:34.25 | darthdavid | and nothing I do changes this |
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| 19:34.31 | ludi | I'm having trouble installing a samba printer, is this a known problem or can anyone help me? |
| 19:34.33 | doneill | joebob2000, slick. i've done something like that with memory cards, at least that much is simple enough. |
| 19:34.33 | sepski | solars, you know most monitors have knobs/buttons to tweak the picture to the monitor |
| 19:34.34 | Rennegade | solars: my grub line is /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-k7 root=/dev/hda2 ro acpi=off vga=791 |
| 19:34.37 | therealkilkenny | does sarge work with pcie graphics cards? |
| 19:34.40 | greycat | solars: edit the fucking XF86Config-4 by hand for all I care. /join #xfree86 |
| 19:34.44 | doneill | joebob2000, have you tried doing a cdrecord -scanbus? |
| 19:34.51 | doneill | if it's showing as scsi anyway |
| 19:35.00 | joebob2000 | doneill: but cdrecord complains about not being original, having too new a kernel, the usual whiny bs, and it doesnt work for spit |
| 19:35.06 | solars | okay |
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| 19:35.14 | solars | Rennegade, and what does that vga= mean ? |
| 19:35.14 | eleazar- | =/ |
| 19:35.15 | draconian | hey I think CraCK is a bot |
| 19:35.20 | doneill | hmm, that's a bummer. |
| 19:35.21 | karsten2 | jetscreamer: I'm me but elsewhere. |
| 19:35.35 | doneill | sorry, really no idea. |
| 19:35.37 | draconian | sending out porn url's |
| 19:35.39 | doneill | good luck though mate |
| 19:35.40 | greycat | solars: vga= means that he failed to read your mind when you were being vague. |
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| 19:36.08 | draconian | thnx |
| 19:36.14 | solars | greycat, okay |
| 19:36.26 | Mefdahl | laff |
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| 19:36.51 | njan | there are just that many of them that people believe you.. it'd be quite easy to abuse that :p |
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| 19:37.02 | stew | njan: none, the ops only kick when they themselves get spammed |
| 19:37.12 | joebob2000 | porn bots? why didnt i get any urls, dag nabbit |
| 19:37.15 | njan | stew, that varies from channel to channel and op to op ;) |
| 19:37.26 | stew | njan: ops in here at least |
| 19:37.26 | Mefdahl | solars if you have and oddball screen size you may just have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand to set it. |
| 19:37.55 | d03boy | is it bad when i do a dist-upgrade and my computer will only reboot to the letters "LI" |
| 19:37.58 | d03boy | then it freezes |
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| 19:38.10 | greycat | !li |
| 19:38.10 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try ... |
| 19:38.20 | greycat | DAMN you dpkg, spit it out! Try what? |
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| 19:38.41 | karsten2 | d03boy: Yes. |
| 19:38.42 | njan | stew, I haven't studied it well enough to tell.. the whole pornurlbot thing amazes me; I can't believe people even waste their time with it. Spam sent to non-technical users is one thing, but anyone on freenode should know better than to click on spam links. It only encourages them. |
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| 19:39.08 | karsten2 | d03boy: You'll be wanting a boot disk about now. Your install disk, tom's root boot, knoppix, etc. |
| 19:39.16 | d03boy | i used a netinstall disc |
| 19:39.18 | d03boy | and i have disc 1 |
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| 19:39.27 | d03boy | what do I need to do? just reinstall lilo? |
| 19:39.35 | d03boy | or boot to my old kernel? |
| 19:39.41 | d03boy | or... hrm |
| 19:39.43 | greycat | Please someone kill me already and end this charade. |
| 19:39.44 | xogon | not to sound like an idiot, but once i've installed cups, what is the print command? (there is no lpr but i did print a test page earlier) |
| 19:39.47 | greycat | "disc 1" |
| 19:39.53 | greycat | Jesus fucking christ. DISC ONE OF *WHAT*? |
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| 19:40.16 | greycat | xogon: lp(1), or install the bsd client package to get lpr(1). |
| 19:40.17 | d03boy | debian (woody) I think :\\ |
| 19:40.18 | asg | xogon: install cupsys-bsd or cupsys-client |
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| 19:40.25 | greycat | d03boy: then that's a rescue disk. use it. |
| 19:40.40 | d03boy | k... hug? |
| 19:41.21 | xogon | ah sorry. lp. i was looking for lpr... |
| 19:41.24 | stew | njan: the bots cost the spammer zero to run and some sites will pay as much as $25 for a referral leading to a subscription so its not suprising that they try... |
| 19:41.37 | njan | d03boy, what greycat is trying to say is, your question was ambiguous, but the CD you have is probably a rescue CD :) |
| 19:41.52 | njan | d03boy, your problem is caused by LILO not being correctly installed/configured, so when you run the rescue CD, that's what you're headed for ;) |
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| 19:42.05 | d03boy | ok.. :\ |
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| 19:42.22 | pollar | hi can anybody help? something strange happened i cant login via ssh, su also doesn't work. about 1 hour ago everything was just fine and i didn't change anything |
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| 19:42.22 | d03boy | that is helpful, thanks |
| 19:42.27 | njan | stew, yeah, I know. I'm more frustrated than anything :) |
| 19:42.27 | cureless | $25! per referral, I should switch jobs! |
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| 19:42.39 | njan | It's an insane amount of money for a click, cureless |
| 19:43.52 | kesu-ki | i've been looking over the battle for wesnoth changelong, and it looks like a lot of bugs have been changed from 0.8.8 and 0.8.11 and the dependacies haven't changed, yet the sarge rc2 package is behind ^^; |
| 19:43.55 | Rennegade | pollar: are you root? what runlevel are you at? |
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| 19:45.20 | drqk_ | hello, i have just installed 2.6.10 kernel and i get INIT: Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes ..... what shall i do to fix this?..... i tried google... still cant fintd out what my problem is.......... |
| 19:45.20 | jard | hi, can anybody estimate the size of debian unstable mirror ? in MB ? |
| 19:45.50 | pollar | Rennegade yes, i'm on root now |
| 19:45.50 | stew | jard: 35,000 |
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| 19:46.00 | Generador | Hi |
| 19:46.01 | cureless | jard, all archs? |
| 19:46.04 | karsten2 | What's the Debian Way for iptables? |
| 19:46.07 | jard | only i386 :) |
| 19:46.08 | jard | sorry |
| 19:46.10 | d03boy | hehe... kernel panic.. how nice :D |
| 19:46.12 | Rennegade | pollar: well that's why su doesnt work... |
| 19:46.15 | stew | !dstats |
| 19:46.17 | asg | karsten2: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 19:46.25 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16323 packages, 1447 maintainers, 31848 MB installed size, 10230 MB compressed size. |
| 19:46.25 | karsten2 | asg: kthx |
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| 19:46.38 | jard | thx |
| 19:46.46 | pollar | Rennegade it shoul work if i run it `su someuser` |
| 19:46.59 | Generador | german here ? |
| 19:47.05 | stew | !de |
| 19:47.06 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 19:47.06 | quitte | #debian.de |
| 19:47.08 | karsten2 | asg: Hrm... Damned ubuntu box.... |
| 19:47.11 | Generador | Thank you |
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| 19:47.22 | cureless | jard, it depends what your mirror keeps. They tend to be large, take that figure (32G) as the baseline. |
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| 19:47.32 | asg | karsten2: it might be README.Debian.gz also |
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| 19:47.46 | pollar | also if i run sshd with debug option - it works, but if i start sshd without debug mode it just refuses all connections |
| 19:47.47 | kesu-ki | ubuntu's live cd is okay, but i'd never install it... i'd use sarge instead |
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| 19:48.25 | stew | pollar: does ssh -vvv from the client give you any clues? |
| 19:48.43 | karsten2 | asg: Nope |
| 19:48.46 | pollar | ssh: connect to host alus port 22: Connection refused |
| 19:48.54 | greycat | I don't think I've *ever* needed to use ssh -v to resolve any issue. |
| 19:48.58 | pollar | nothing interesting |
| 19:49.03 | greycat | sshd -d, now *there's* something useful. |
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| 19:49.13 | greycat | !connection refused |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 19:49.25 | pollar | i'm sure there is some other problem |
| 19:49.29 | asg | karsten2: then ask #ubuntu, that's where it will be on a Debian box |
| 19:49.32 | pollar | as i cant run `su` |
| 19:49.35 | pollar | or sudo |
| 19:49.44 | pollar | they just locks |
| 19:50.07 | d03boy | when I get the LI error, does that mean my lilo.conf needs edited,or lilo needs to be reinstalled to recreate the mbr? |
| 19:50.15 | greycat | d03boy: potentially both. |
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| 19:50.23 | d03boy | ok |
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| 19:51.13 | karsten2 | asg: Point. |
| 19:51.25 | jethro | greycat: -v can be helpful for authentication related problems |
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| 19:52.34 | cureless | pollar, let me see, you can't ssh to localhost unless ssh is running in debug. The error you get is connection refused? You can't su but you can login as root or as a normal user? |
| 19:52.55 | doneill | that's odd |
| 19:52.56 | pollar | i can connect to ssh when it runs with -d |
| 19:53.03 | asg | pollar: for shits and giggles, what are the permissions on your root filesystem. |
| 19:53.08 | pollar | but cant do this in normal way |
| 19:53.11 | doneill | by ssh, you mean "OpenSSH"? |
| 19:53.13 | karsten2 | asg: Um. I was wrong. It's there. |
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| 19:53.19 | jethro | pollar: -d doesn't resolve "connection refused" issues |
| 19:53.24 | karsten2 | asg: Whatever I'm doing, it's too much: I'm blind. |
| 19:53.25 | pollar | doneill yes |
| 19:53.26 | cureless | pollar, if you run sshd normally and you run "netstat -apne --inet | grep 22" what do you get? |
| 19:53.37 | doneill | hmm, my suggestion is not to run openssh at all |
| 19:53.42 | doneill | run it through valgrind |
| 19:53.50 | pollar | cureless i did it already |
| 19:53.51 | doneill | it's disgusting |
| 19:53.58 | lzsilva | I got a Sun UltraSparc1, im downloading http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/ftp.debian.org/debian-iso/current/sparc/debian-30r4-sparc-binary-1.iso |
| 19:53.59 | doneill | try dropbear |
| 19:54.04 | pollar | it doesn't show ssh port |
| 19:54.04 | cureless | pollar, and? |
| 19:54.05 | lzsilva | its the right iso ? |
| 19:54.19 | cureless | pollar, so sshd is not running. |
| 19:54.25 | jethro | !sparc |
| 19:54.25 | dpkg | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help ... |
| 19:54.27 | pollar | it's running |
| 19:54.32 | pollar | i can see it with ps x |
| 19:54.34 | pollar | :) |
| 19:54.41 | greycat | pollar: /msg dpkg connection refused |
| 19:54.50 | cureless | pollar, so it stops before grabbing the port? |
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| 19:54.53 | greycat | pollar: either you're connecting to the wrong host, or the wrong port, or there's a firewall |
| 19:55.13 | pollar | greycat NO there is firewall, there is right host |
| 19:55.51 | pollar | cureless in debug mode it grabbs port |
| 19:55.51 | cureless | pollar, "strace sshd" (kill _all_ previous sshds) |
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| 19:55.52 | pollar | even my forked sshd ? |
| 19:55.58 | greycat | your *what*? |
| 19:55.58 | pollar | i'll kill myself :) |
| 19:56.30 | greycat | oh, that one. |
| 19:56.30 | greycat | !debug sshd |
| 19:56.30 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 19:56.30 | kesu-ki | i've had no really serious problems with sarge rc2 just minor annoyances that stem from packages being out of date which is alas a fact of life, if people are distrubuting software in source code and no binary packages, you need to pretty much have built the whole system from source code, which takes an ungodly amount of time when you''ve got 5 gigs of OSS apps |
| 19:56.30 | EvanCarroll | Courier question- How come when i change the maildir to $HOME/IMAP-MAIL courier is still looking in maildir, i get an unknown error client side, and serverside my syslog with debug level 1 reports cant chdir to Maildir |
| 19:56.36 | greycat | EvanCarroll: uh, because you didn't tell courier-imap where to look? |
| 19:56.43 | cureless | pollar, so? |
| 19:56.44 | greycat | I don't even know *how* to change where it looks. |
| 19:56.54 | greycat | Why would you want to have a Maildir that's not called Maildir? |
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| 19:57.04 | loke_ | hello |
| 19:57.09 | stew | kesu-ki: why would you have to build the whole system from source code? |
| 19:57.16 | loke_ | im trying to setup a vpn connection with vpnc |
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| 19:57.24 | kesu-ki | some programs (example battle for wesnoth) |
| 19:57.25 | EvanCarroll | greycat: is chaing maildir to MAILDIRPATH to $HOME/IMAP-MAIL not telling courier-imap where to look?? |
| 19:57.31 | loke_ | the error i get is::: vpnc: can't open /dev/net/tun, check that it is either device char 10 200 or (with DevFS) a symlink to ../misc/net/tun (not misc/net/tun): No such file or directory |
| 19:57.31 | loke_ | vpnc: can't initialise tunnel interface: No such file or directory |
| 19:57.34 | kesu-ki | are on like a release every 1-2 week schedule |
| 19:57.36 | EvanCarroll | err changing MAILDIRPATH to... |
| 19:57.46 | kesu-ki | and thier dependancies dont change |
| 19:57.47 | pollar | hm in debug mode client just freezes |
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| 19:57.59 | loke_ | i have no /dev/net/tun and can find anything similar to it |
| 19:58.03 | kesu-ki | but their dependaciens are half of what you need to run the system practically ;) |
| 19:58.22 | sepski | !vtund |
| 19:58.23 | dpkg | hmm... vtund is a nice small tool .. but the documentation is worst .. replace /dev/net/tun with /dev/misc/net/tun and it will work without any problems |
| 19:58.24 | greycat | EvanCarroll: I can't even parse your question. HOW did you inform the courier-imap process of the location of the Maildir? |
| 19:58.30 | cureless | EvanCarroll, no, courier should have a configuration file/database where it looks for users. the MAILDIRPATH is probably for each user. (I haven't used courier in that setup) |
| 19:58.33 | greycat | EvanCarroll: did you edit a file? if so, what file? what did you change in it? |
| 19:58.45 | EvanCarroll | greycat: in the imapd.conf last line. |
| 19:58.55 | pollar | cureless strace shows nothing... |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | did you restart courier-imap afterward? |
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| 19:59.08 | cureless | pollar, what do you mean "nothing"? |
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| 19:59.19 | greycat | did the atime on the conf file change when courier restarted? |
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| 19:59.21 | loke_ | sepski i have no /dev/misc dir |
| 19:59.38 | cureless | pollar, so, let's recap, ssh runs in debug mode but not in normal mode? |
| 19:59.50 | EvanCarroll | greycat: yes restarted afterwards |
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| 20:00.03 | pollar | in debug mode i cant access shell |
| 20:00.12 | pollar | in normal mode i cant even connect |
| 20:00.15 | kesu-ki | there are some 15 programs i'd have to complile from source, in the correct order of compling in order to compile battle for wesnoth, and yet, i have hall the libraries etc wesnoth needs to run, and they're the same major revision number... most are the same minor revision number too |
| 20:00.16 | sepski | loke_, there is no module you need to load before hand ? then i guess you need to make the dev entry yourself |
| 20:00.29 | pollar | also i cant use 'su' or 'sudo' commands |
| 20:00.30 | loke_ | sepski which module? |
| 20:00.45 | cureless | pollar, so what does the strace give you? how about strace on su or sudo? |
| 20:00.48 | pollar | they just 'locks' after entering password |
| 20:00.48 | sepski | loke_, never used vpnc, but with ipsec there is a ipsec.o modules to load |
| 20:01.01 | loke_ | sepski i compiled that into the kernel |
| 20:01.22 | sepski | loke_, but it saies in your error message that if you dont have the dev make it with 10 200 so whats the problem |
| 20:01.23 | loke_ | sepski i compiled all tunnel and ipsec directly into the kernel |
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| 20:01.31 | d03boy | it seems that i need to rebuild my kernel :\ |
| 20:01.33 | pollar | heh, proftpd also doesn't start :) |
| 20:01.39 | sepski | loke_, your running a custom kernel ? your out of luck |
| 20:01.43 | d03boy | might as well go to 2.6 in this case |
| 20:01.46 | cureless | pollar, have you touched pam and/or some SELinux stuff? |
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| 20:01.59 | loke_ | sepski wait, i dont understand 'make it with 10 200' |
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| 20:02.10 | sepski | loke_, man mknod |
| 20:02.12 | cureless | pollar, what was the last thing you did before things stopped working? |
| 20:02.24 | loke_ | sepski will do |
| 20:02.28 | greycat | if it's a dist-upgrade, I reserve the right to !pal |
| 20:02.35 | pollar | cureless absolutely nothing |
| 20:02.44 | Ferret | kesu-ki: This is all to be expected in a binary distribution. You trade the convenience of not compiling things; and having versions of packages that are 'known' to work together, with not having the exact (latest) versions you want in some situations. |
| 20:02.47 | pollar | it was running ok |
| 20:02.50 | sepski | loke_, i also think there is a script called MAKEDEV that does that or something similar |
| 20:02.52 | stew | pollar: are you out of diskspace or memory or anything like that? |
| 20:02.59 | pollar | and after one hour it stoped |
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| 20:03.04 | d03boy | greycat, you can !pal me :\ |
| 20:03.04 | Ferret | kesu-ki: Sortof the way things are. |
| 20:03.11 | greycat | !pal d03boy |
| 20:03.17 | andrei__ | i have a great problem with my mouse |
| 20:03.20 | kesu-ki | i know but it annoys me because i don't want to go with a source disto ^^; |
| 20:03.21 | d03boy | :] |
| 20:03.22 | pollar | connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 16) = -1 EPROTOTYPE (Protocol wrong type for socket) |
| 20:03.22 | pollar | close(3) = 0 |
| 20:03.22 | pollar | socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 3 |
| 20:03.22 | pollar | fcntl64(3, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 |
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| 20:03.29 | andrei__ | it stopped working after restart |
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| 20:03.52 | pollar | it is strace for su |
| 20:04.20 | greycat | I doubt very much you can get a meaningful strace of 'su' starting as non-root. |
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| 20:04.39 | Archdevil | question: what kernel do I get when I use the sarge installer atm? |
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| 20:04.50 | greycat | Archdevil: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8, I think |
| 20:04.55 | pollar | greycat id -a |
| 20:04.56 | pollar | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 20:05.02 | Archdevil | thanks! |
| 20:05.04 | greycat | pollar: oh, you're starting as root? then it might be possible. |
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| 20:05.24 | kesu-ki | it asks you if you want 2.4 or 2.6 during install |
| 20:05.37 | pollar | hm i just cant understand |
| 20:05.37 | greycat | kesu-ki: eh... it asks you to press F1 for help. |
| 20:05.48 | greycat | if you just hit Enter, you get 2.4. |
| 20:05.49 | loke_ | sepski im fuckin lost |
| 20:05.51 | pollar | why it just stopped working |
| 20:06.07 | cureless | pollar, if you, in fact, didn't do anything try a chkrootkit. When was the last time you updated (what are you running anyway)? |
| 20:06.13 | loke_ | sepski /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "net/tun" |
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| 20:07.06 | andrei__ | mdetect says i have a mouse on /dev/psaux, but cat /dev/psaux print nothing, and the mouse is not moving anyone knows what this may be? i tested with two diferent mouses, i spent howers on it configuring the X and everything |
| 20:07.07 | pollar | cureless last update was 3-4 days ago |
| 20:07.25 | sepski | loke_, do you use devFS ? do you have a directory called /dev/net ? |
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| 20:07.37 | greycat | andrei__: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 20:07.46 | kesu-ki | well everything has to have a 'default' value... hitting enter always gets you the default |
| 20:07.50 | loke_ | sepski i dont use DevFS i dont think, and I dont have /dev/net no |
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| 20:08.07 | cureless | pollar, so what are you running? Do a chkrootkit just in case. When did it stop working, today? |
| 20:08.20 | sepski | then mkdir -p /dev/net |
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| 20:08.28 | bn | when apt-get has a conflict, how do I resolve it? I can't even "apt-get remove" the conflicting packages |
| 20:08.32 | loke_ | sepski done |
| 20:08.34 | sepski | then mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 20:08.50 | pollar | cureless yup today |
| 20:09.09 | loke_ | done |
| 20:09.13 | pollar | chkrootkit doesn't show any rootkits or smth else |
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| 20:09.20 | cureless | pollar, what are you runnig? |
| 20:09.24 | loke_ | sepski still same error |
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| 20:09.30 | cureless | running* |
| 20:09.33 | pollar | mixed :) |
| 20:09.36 | resiak | Mixed? |
| 20:09.39 | cureless | pollar, mixed? |
| 20:09.44 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite pollar |
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| 20:09.52 | sepski | loke_, does the /dev/net/tun exsist now ? |
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| 20:09.57 | greycat | resiak: heh |
| 20:10.00 | pollar | hm, are you asking about debian version ? |
| 20:10.01 | loke_ | sepski yes |
| 20:10.03 | stew | i feel that greycat might get his !pal opportunigy afterall |
| 20:10.04 | cureless | pollar, mixed what? |
| 20:10.09 | loke_ | sepski crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 200 2005-03-01 12:08 /dev/net/tun |
| 20:10.10 | stew | s/gy/ty/ |
| 20:10.12 | resiak | pollar: No, we're asking about what gender you are. |
| 20:10.16 | pollar | omg |
| 20:10.17 | pollar | :) |
| 20:10.23 | pollar | hehe my english isn't good |
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| 20:10.30 | Rawplayer | loke_: you ethertap and tun/tap in your kernel? |
| 20:10.30 | greycat | pollar: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:10.31 | resiak | pollar: No, we're asking about your Debian version. |
| 20:10.32 | loke_ | sepski im still getting the same error |
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| 20:10.47 | pollar | mixed stable, testing, unstable, |
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| 20:10.50 | Starfury^ | any tips on installing an audigy2? |
| 20:10.50 | pollar | version 3.1 :) |
| 20:10.50 | greycat | !bobbitt |
| 20:10.50 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 20:10.51 | loke_ | Rawplayer i put tunnel in the kernel |
| 20:10.56 | intero | what is root= set to in a precompiled kernel? |
| 20:10.57 | loke_ | Rawplayer what is tap? |
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| 20:11.00 | resiak | greycat: You had that waiting, didn't you? |
| 20:11.00 | Varg_ | Is there any real difference between the Debian kernel sources and vanilla sources for the kernel? |
| 20:11.07 | bn | sorry did anyone answer? I was cut from the irc shortly after posting... |
| 20:11.13 | greycat | resiak: nope. honestly I was expecting "mixed ubuntu and debian" |
| 20:11.19 | cureless | pollar, so what did you mean by mixed? |
| 20:11.19 | stew | bn: what error are you getting? |
| 20:11.28 | greycat | cureless: 15:10 pollar> mixed stable, testing, unstable, |
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| 20:11.33 | resiak | greycat: Have you a /bind for !bobbitt? |
| 20:11.35 | cureless | greycat, so was I. |
| 20:11.37 | greycat | resiak: no |
| 20:11.40 | Starfury^ | any tips on installing an audigy2 its not being detected |
| 20:11.45 | loke_ | Rawplayer what does ethertap do? |
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| 20:11.48 | Varg_ | Is there any real difference between the Debian kernel sources and vanilla sources for the kernel? |
| 20:11.49 | resiak | greycat: Just wondered. I have !knoppix and !ubuntu :D |
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| 20:11.55 | CyzarX | <inet>-----<router>------eth0<pc1>bt1-----bt2<pc2> |
| 20:11.56 | resiak | !tell Varg_ about repeat |
| 20:11.57 | CyzarX | when pc1 is direcly dial into isp, pc2 can surf the net. when eth0 using the ip from router, i.e. gateway ip, pc2 can only surf the net using ip address but not url. any solution for this?i want to know where is the problem exist and solution of cuz. bt=bluetooth, eth0=1st ethernet device, inet=internet connection |
| 20:12.02 | cureless | pollar, what did you grab from stable/testing? |
| 20:12.03 | takatumi | Varg_: read the changelogs of the kernel-source |
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| 20:12.07 | sepski | loke_, then i guess it might be due to your custom kernel you miss something |
| 20:12.08 | pollar | cureless i have stable, unstable and testing in my sources file |
| 20:12.15 | loke_ | sepski oki |
| 20:12.17 | sepski | loke_, why not just use a regular debian kernel ?? |
| 20:12.18 | resiak | Varg_: There are a number of differences. The Debian ones have all the non-free stuff taken out. Diff them :) |
| 20:12.20 | pollar | cureless i just did update && upgrade |
| 20:12.21 | loke_ | sepski im gonn recompile |
| 20:12.27 | Varg_ | resiak: thanks |
| 20:12.29 | loke_ | sepski what do you mean regular |
| 20:12.37 | bn | stew: when I try to install or remove anything, it tells me that kdelibs and kdelibs4 are not of the right version, and I should run "apt-get -f install". |
| 20:12.38 | loke_ | sepski it is regular |
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| 20:12.44 | bn | but that fails due to that bug |
| 20:12.46 | sepski | loke_, a debian kernel-image |
| 20:12.47 | greycat | pollar: nobody can support a mixed stable/non-stable box. it's impossible. |
| 20:12.50 | bn | no.http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=292569 |
| 20:12.56 | greycat | pollar: you must pick either stable, or testing. |
| 20:13.00 | stew | bn: what version of debian? |
| 20:13.09 | loke_ | sepski i would rather start from source, i can make the kernel smaller |
| 20:13.21 | resiak | loke_: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 20:13.33 | loke_ | resiak already ahead of you |
| 20:13.35 | bn | stew: goot question :) installed from knoppix 3.6, then updated randomly |
| 20:13.42 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 20:13.42 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 20:13.48 | resiak | loke_: Debianised sources. Oh, and use make-kpkg. |
| 20:13.48 | pollar | greycat i'm sure i will do this after solving this problem :) |
| 20:13.50 | iftrouble | can anyone recommend me an app similar to redhat's netconfig which does NOT depend on gnome/kde/webmin? |
| 20:13.54 | Weeble | hmm |
| 20:13.57 | loke_ | resiak i know bro |
| 20:14.00 | resiak | iftrouble: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:14.02 | resiak | loke_: Just checking. |
| 20:14.07 | loke_ | resiak you know about tunnels? |
| 20:14.13 | cureless | pollar, when did you last reboot? have you looked at the logs? Anything unusual? |
| 20:14.14 | resiak | loke_: nothing :) |
| 20:14.14 | loke_ | resiak what kernel modules i need? |
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| 20:14.23 | bn | ah... i thought a hd-install of knoppix was the same as debian.. |
| 20:14.23 | loke_ | Rawplayer yo where you at? |
| 20:14.28 | Rawplayer | what? |
| 20:14.30 | iftrouble | resiak, that does not require editing config files! |
| 20:14.32 | resiak | bn: Very much not so. |
| 20:14.36 | iftrouble | by hand! |
| 20:14.38 | resiak | iftrouble: I was slightly joking. |
| 20:14.41 | Rawplayer | read docu in your kernel source |
| 20:14.41 | loke_ | Rawplayer so i need <*> Ethertap network tap |
| 20:14.42 | pollar | cureless last reboot was 20 days ago |
| 20:14.47 | sepski | and tun |
| 20:14.47 | iftrouble | not funny, amet |
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| 20:14.52 | Rawplayer | not and |
| 20:14.56 | loke_ | Rawplayer and <*> Universal TUN/TAP device driver support |
| 20:14.59 | Rawplayer | tap or tun |
| 20:14.59 | Starfury^ | guess noone has installed a Audigy 2 on debian yet |
| 20:15.05 | resiak | iftrouble: Well, to be honest, it's really rather straightforward. man interfaces |
| 20:15.06 | loke_ | Rawplayer which? |
| 20:15.16 | bn | okok.. heading off to #knoppix thanks! |
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| 20:15.19 | resiak | Starfury^: I'm sure that they have. Have you STFWd? |
| 20:15.22 | iftrouble | resiak, that does not require editing config files by hand! |
| 20:15.32 | resiak | iftrouble: What's wrong with doing that? |
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| 20:15.39 | Rawplayer | i have tun/tap |
| 20:15.43 | Rawplayer | only enable tun/tap |
| 20:15.45 | loke_ | Rawplayer oki |
| 20:15.50 | Weeble | the debian mirrors seem to be doing unhappy things to me, is anyone else having problems? |
| 20:15.54 | Rawplayer | or did you had that already? |
| 20:15.55 | loke_ | Rawplayer anything else i need? |
| 20:16.00 | loke_ | Rawplayer no i didnt have it |
| 20:16.02 | Rawplayer | nope |
| 20:16.02 | Rawplayer | p |
| 20:16.03 | Rawplayer | ok |
| 20:16.08 | cureless | pollar, what' |
| 20:16.14 | drowe | Hey folks, I've got a problem with connecting from XP to a samba share (2.0.7) on a RedHat 7.2 |
| 20:16.17 | cureless | pollar, what's your version of pam/libpam? |
| 20:16.19 | resiak | WTF? |
| 20:16.21 | resiak | drowe: #redhat |
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| 20:16.27 | loke_ | Rawplayer all i enabled were the tunnel/ipsec stuff under Networking options ---> |
| 20:16.29 | drowe | I'm getting samba(pam_unix) authentication errors |
| 20:16.36 | resiak | drowe: Do you really think that that's on-topic on #debian? |
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| 20:16.39 | leonel | Sarge ? where are you ? Come out please ! |
| 20:16.40 | pollar | cureless how i can check it ? |
| 20:16.41 | Rawplayer | loke_: thats something else |
| 20:16.46 | Rawplayer | what are you trying todo? |
| 20:16.46 | iftrouble | resiak, it is not meant to be used by me.i know vi but a windows user does not want to do that! |
| 20:16.47 | resiak | !tell leonel about wwsr |
| 20:16.50 | Blackvel | hi, there is some good IMAP server which works very well with the standard pop3 postfix and squirrelmail? |
| 20:16.53 | drowe | whoops, thought I joined #samba |
| 20:16.56 | resiak | iftrouble: Just saying. |
| 20:16.56 | drowe | my bad |
| 20:16.59 | leonel | resiak: I know |
| 20:17.05 | loke_ | Rawplayer vpnc, i need to vpn to a cisco vpn conecntrator |
| 20:17.11 | resiak | How exactly does one join #debian rather than #samba by mistake? |
| 20:17.28 | Weeble | not sure I want to know |
| 20:17.29 | Rawplayer | ask in #cisco |
| 20:17.29 | cureless | pollar, just a simple dpkg --list | grep pam |
| 20:17.39 | Starfury^ | STFW |
| 20:17.40 | loke_ | Rawplayer from linux tho |
| 20:17.43 | Starfury^ | hmm thats a new one |
| 20:17.45 | Starfury^ | for me |
| 20:17.46 | loke_ | Rawplayer its a linux question |
| 20:17.46 | Rawplayer | i know |
| 20:17.50 | resiak | !tell Starfury^ about enter |
| 20:17.51 | pollar | cureless it's 0.76 |
| 20:17.52 | mr_ | my debian doesn't see my cdrom. i have a sata hdd, ide cd, kernel 2.6.10 |
| 20:17.59 | Rawplayer | you have more chances in #cisco channel |
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| 20:18.08 | cureless | pollar, 0.76-?? |
| 20:18.11 | loke_ | Rawplayer im gonna recompile with tun/tap |
| 20:18.12 | pollar | 22 |
| 20:18.13 | pollar | :) |
| 20:18.15 | sepski | loke_, use a kernel-image then when you have it working you can try to compile a matching custom kernel |
| 20:18.20 | iftrouble | well, resiak. if you do not know the tool i am after. just say: "sorry buddy, i dunno" |
| 20:18.29 | Starfury^ | resiak: no but if someone has hit enter before they decided they wanted to add a bit its not as though i can edit now can i |
| 20:18.34 | loke_ | sepski i will give it a shot |
| 20:18.48 | resiak | Starfury^: Then think before you hit enter, perhaps? |
| 20:18.49 | Starfury^ | also it was a new sentence and it goes on a new line :) |
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| 20:19.01 | Starfury^ | resiak: if thats all you got to worry about then you have it good |
| 20:19.03 | sepski | loke_, you can also use ipsec for vpn towards cisco, but then you need full controll of the cisco end also. |
| 20:19.15 | resiak | Starfury^: Uh, no. New paragraphs go on new lines. Were you not paying attention in English class? :) |
| 20:19.16 | cureless | pollar, so you said su hangs when run from root right? can you post the strace output in #flood? |
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| 20:19.27 | macnamara | hi, what is the best download & upload speedmeter for debian? |
| 20:19.30 | setuid | Is there a way to get a non-threaded Perl? |
| 20:19.34 | karsten2 | macnamara: wget |
| 20:19.37 | pollar | cureless ok |
| 20:19.38 | setuid | Threaded perl is an INCREDIBLY stupid idea |
| 20:19.54 | Starfury^ | resiak: you assume i am english |
| 20:19.56 | setuid | Especially since anything that uses it strongly recommends not to do that... mod_perl in my case. |
| 20:19.58 | Starfury^ | :) |
| 20:20.19 | resiak | Starfury^: s/English/$YOURLANGUAGE/ |
| 20:20.21 | cureless | Starfury^, no, he assumed you took classes |
| 20:20.23 | Blackvel | just for interest |
| 20:20.28 | Blackvel | why is that bad? |
| 20:20.35 | mr_ | sorry, but can anybody help me with this cdrom? it worked on 2.4 |
| 20:20.41 | Starfury^ | lol :) |
| 20:20.42 | stew | !worked in 2.4 |
| 20:20.43 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 20:20.44 | Blackvel | do you want to use perl for webstuff? |
| 20:20.51 | macnamara | karsten2: sorry but wget - retrieves files from the web |
| 20:21.00 | intero | what is root= set to in a precompiled kernel? |
| 20:21.02 | macnamara | sounds like a downloadmanager to me |
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| 20:21.07 | dondelelcaro | intero: it isn't. |
| 20:21.08 | stew | mr_: did you compile your own kernel? what version of debian? |
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| 20:21.15 | pollar | cureless it was last lines before it hangs |
| 20:21.15 | simonrvn | macnamara: so do those dumb "speed tests" |
| 20:21.36 | cureless | pollar, the /dev/log is the last line before it hangs? How about sudo? |
| 20:21.39 | mr_ | stew: debian unstable, own-compiled kernel 2.6.10 |
| 20:21.49 | intero | dondelelcaro: okay, thanks |
| 20:21.54 | Blackvel | how about cyrus-imapd for my IMAP server? |
| 20:21.56 | Starfury^ | !tell Starfury^ STWF |
| 20:22.00 | stew | mr_: is there a reason you compiled your own? |
| 20:22.01 | resiak | mr_: Does it work with a kernel-image-2.6.10? |
| 20:22.03 | karsten2 | macnamara: Yeah, it shows rate fo speed as well. |
| 20:22.04 | resiak | !tell Starfury^ about stfw |
| 20:22.13 | Starfury^ | doh |
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| 20:22.22 | resiak | !tell Starfury^ about msgdpkg |
| 20:22.23 | iftrouble | or dhclient? |
| 20:22.24 | pollar | cureless first it shows lots of close(1023) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor) |
| 20:22.26 | zoid | anyone know if exim supports .forward files in users home dir by default? |
| 20:22.30 | macnamara | simonrvn: I am looking for a program that shows the upload/download speed and records your download statistics |
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| 20:22.46 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:22.52 | karsten2 | macnamara: What's your desktp? There's a bunch of monitors. wm<foo> for WindowMaker, gkrellm for most others. |
| 20:22.54 | mr_ | resiak, stew: with kernel-image kernel panics, I think because of SATA disk |
| 20:22.57 | resiak | zoid: IIRC, no, but it's a simple thing to change in /etc/exim4/ |
| 20:23.02 | Starfury^ | resiak: thank you for that wealth of information... |
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| 20:23.13 | macnamara | karsten2: kde at the moment |
| 20:23.16 | BR | does anyone have the XF85-config file fo r a GFORCE FX 5700LE optia 128 DDR AGPp video cartd? |
| 20:23.16 | Starfury^ | is this classed as a help channel? |
| 20:23.20 | zoid | resiak: cool, i'll start looking...just didn't know if i needed to or not :) |
| 20:23.21 | stew | mr_: well i'd guess that you forgot drivers for your ide controller or for ide cdrom |
| 20:23.26 | BR | or its driver |
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| 20:23.40 | resiak | mr_: Try starting with the kernel-image's .config and working from there. |
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| 20:23.41 | settledown | i am a noob, and im installing debian for the first time (or any linux for that matter) can i get some help on an issue? |
| 20:23.45 | karsten2 | macnamara: Try aptitude install gkrellm and play with that for a while |
| 20:23.47 | resiak | !tell settledown about ask |
| 20:23.52 | Starfury^ | settledown: just ask |
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| 20:24.02 | mr_ | resiak: where from can i get kernel-image's .config? |
| 20:24.06 | resiak | mr_: /boot |
| 20:24.18 | resiak | mr_: Assuming you have the appropriate kernel-image installed. |
| 20:24.26 | mr_ | ok, thanks |
| 20:24.29 | cozwei | hi, i have debian sarge running. cananybody tell me how to install kernel 2.6.10? |
| 20:24.33 | Starfury^ | resiak: jeeez easy on the !tell's you'll wear out a circuit board on dpkg (JK) |
| 20:24.34 | settledown | i am in the install process and it is at the bootloader point |
| 20:24.47 | settledown | do i install grub or lilo or no bootloader |
| 20:24.49 | resiak | mr_: Oh, and I'm not sure whether the kernel-image .configs would work with vanilla kernels. Are you using Debian sources? |
| 20:24.52 | mr_ | resiak, but it should work with one sata hdd and one ide cd? |
| 20:24.52 | resiak | settledown: Grub. |
| 20:24.56 | stew | settledown: grub |
| 20:25.00 | toomboy | has anyone installed a rocketraid 454 or equivalent into debian? i have the card in pc, created the raid through the cards bios, but when i boot up debian, its showing all 4 drives as their own device.. should it not just show up as just 1 device? or do i need to do something else? |
| 20:25.00 | mr_ | resiak, yes |
| 20:25.07 | resiak | mr_: There's no reason why it can not be made to work with both. |
| 20:25.15 | settledown | thanks |
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| 20:25.37 | settledown | i used the 2.6 kernel |
| 20:25.45 | settledown | should i have chosen the 2.4 kernel |
| 20:25.46 | Starfury^ | whats wrong with lilo? |
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| 20:26.00 | stew | Starfury^: nothing |
| 20:26.05 | resiak | settledown: No. |
| 20:26.10 | mr_ | resiak, it looks like kernel wants to treat cd like a hdd, but there are no devices for cd |
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| 20:26.27 | settledown | thx resiak |
| 20:26.57 | Starfury^ | stew: so why you both say grub over lilo..... there must be something better on grub |
| 20:26.59 | settledown | installation complete, rebooting to Debian....thanks chan |
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| 20:27.34 | resiak | mr_: Do you mean /dev/cdrom doesn't exist? It's just a symlink to whatever your CD device is. I presume you've tried mounting that? |
| 20:27.38 | macnamara | k: wget=installed now, but where can I find it? |
| 20:27.43 | stew | Starfury^: if he later installs a new kernel he doesn't have to worry about whether or not his boot loader knows about initrd or not |
| 20:27.53 | resiak | macnamara: wget http://foo.com/bar |
| 20:28.06 | Esaj | can anyone recommend an easy-to-use ftp server? |
| 20:28.08 | Starfury^ | how can i convert from lilo to grub then |
| 20:28.13 | tweekken_ | whereis wget |
| 20:28.17 | mr_ | resiak: /dev/cdrom doesn't exist, but hd* and scd* doesn't exist too |
| 20:28.22 | greycat | Esaj: ftpd |
| 20:28.23 | bogon | Esaj: vsftpd |
| 20:28.24 | Starfury^ | let me guess stfw? |
| 20:28.31 | simonrvn | yup |
| 20:28.34 | stew | Starfury^: apt-get install grub, read /usr/share/doc/grub/* |
| 20:28.35 | resiak | mr_: .../dev/hda doesn't exist? *boggle* |
| 20:28.35 | mr_ | Esaj: proftpd :p |
| 20:28.38 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 20:28.42 | mr_ | resiak, yes! |
| 20:28.42 | Starfury^ | ta stew |
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| 20:28.50 | greycat | !magic hate ball |
| 20:28.52 | resiak | mr_: Do you have any ide disks? |
| 20:28.53 | simonrvn | !lart udev |
| 20:28.54 | resiak | greycat: Aww. |
| 20:29.00 | stew | in what language is "ta" meaningful (if any)? |
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| 20:29.10 | greycat | stew: l33t-irc-newbish. |
| 20:29.11 | Starfury^ | stew: will it auto remove lilo, or do you need to install grub first then configure it to take over from lilo? |
| 20:29.11 | cureless | pollar, you're ok on disk space right? |
| 20:29.11 | resiak | stew: English. |
| 20:29.15 | Petaris | can anyone point me to a list of repositories? |
| 20:29.18 | pollar | cureless yup |
| 20:29.21 | resiak | Petaris: apt-setup |
| 20:29.23 | mr_ | resiak, as i said, i have one sata hdd and one ide cd |
| 20:29.26 | Starfury^ | stew: its short for thanks |
| 20:29.27 | resiak | Petaris: What Debian version are you using? |
| 20:29.27 | simonrvn | that's not english |
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| 20:29.36 | resiak | simonrvn: I use it IRL. |
| 20:29.49 | greycat | mr_: do you have a /.dev directory? |
| 20:29.54 | kyncani | stew: french |
| 20:29.56 | simonrvn | you say "ta" to people? O_O |
| 20:30.03 | resiak | mr_: You have some module missing from your kernel in any case. |
| 20:30.08 | resiak | simonrvn: Yes. Why is that so boggling? |
| 20:30.10 | macnamara | resiak: hmm url not found ... |
| 20:30.17 | cureless | pollar, are you running syslogd? |
| 20:30.19 | resiak | macnamara: That was just an example. |
| 20:30.21 | settledown | on boot i watched the scrolling text and there appeared to be any missing files or errors...yet it booted to the Welcome to Debian screen |
| 20:30.23 | stew | Starfury^: it will not remove lilo, but if you read /usr/share/grub/*... |
| 20:30.24 | resiak | macnamara: What did you want wget for? |
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| 20:30.26 | settledown | i guess all is well/ |
| 20:30.33 | mr_ | greycat: i don't have a /.dev dir |
| 20:30.33 | pollar | cureless syslog-ng |
| 20:30.33 | resiak | settledown: Yes, it is. |
| 20:30.42 | simonrvn | i usually says "thanks" or "thank you". i like to be understood when i say something ;) |
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| 20:30.54 | mr_ | stew: and in polish ;) |
| 20:30.56 | resiak | simonrvn: Ta is understood :) |
| 20:30.57 | pollar | but i chacked my logs - nothing interesting |
| 20:30.59 | stew | kyncani: what frech word? |
| 20:31.02 | macnamara | resiak: to show the upload-/downloadspeed and statistics |
| 20:31.05 | settledown | i meant to say MANY missing files and some errors |
| 20:31.13 | Petaris | resiak: testing |
| 20:31.20 | Petaris | resiak: Sarge |
| 20:31.24 | Starfury^ | simonrvn: well i lived all over england and wales and everyone understands ta |
| 20:31.24 | kyncani | stew: "ta" is a french word (means "your") |
| 20:31.24 | resiak | Petaris: If you mean mirrors, just use apt-setup |
| 20:31.27 | krisskiller | annnnnnnnnc pas bien |
| 20:31.31 | settledown | but the welcome screen means all is ok? |
| 20:31.33 | greycat | !dict ta |
| 20:31.36 | krisskiller | oups pardon |
| 20:31.43 | krisskiller | sorry |
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| 20:32.00 | Petaris | resiak: I am having some wierd problems with my network settings aswell |
| 20:32.09 | cureless | pollar, what' |
| 20:32.09 | resiak | Petaris: Define "weird problems"? |
| 20:32.16 | joebob2000 | anyone have luck using a usb/ide bridge and a dvd/rw drive with cdrecord in sarge? im wondering if it would work better with a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:32.21 | cureless | pollar, what's your /dev/log like? |
| 20:32.26 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 20:32.31 | Petaris | resiak: it just seems to ignore or forget the settings at times |
| 20:32.44 | pollar | cureless what do you mean ? |
| 20:32.46 | NarCoT | Hi, I just installed a new Kernel ( 2.6.10 ) now when I start KDE mouse won't work.. |
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| 20:32.54 | greycat | NarCoT: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 20:32.57 | Petaris | resiak: there is no problem with the hardware or the network |
| 20:32.57 | ribnitz | evening. |
| 20:33.04 | cureless | pollar, does it exist? is it a link? I haven't used syslog-ng so I don't know |
| 20:33.13 | mr_ | ok, i'll try to recompile my kernel |
| 20:33.16 | resiak | Petaris: man interfaces; Any problem is a misconfiguration. |
| 20:33.28 | mr_ | maybe one advice: what is better? udev or devfsd? |
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| 20:33.39 | pollar | ls -ali /dev/log |
| 20:33.40 | pollar | 2339737 srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 Mar 1 06:28 /dev/log |
| 20:33.41 | resiak | Petaris: (Or a problem with your network, but you discounted that one.) |
| 20:33.56 | resiak | mr_: udev > devfs, but udev is not particularly wonderful either. |
| 20:34.00 | stew | it seems like today was the day that all the people that really shouldn't be on sid decided to compile their own 2.6.10 kernel |
| 20:34.12 | resiak | stew: That's every day :)# |
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| 20:34.31 | ribnitz | stew: welcome to the real world. |
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| 20:34.34 | robin_sz | anyone know if I can use exim4 with vpopmail and sqwebmail? I would rather not try to do the qmail thing unless I *really* have to as its always tricky on debian |
| 20:34.41 | mr_ | resiak: without big needs, what is smaller/faster? |
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| 20:35.26 | ribnitz | robin_sz: sqwebmail works fine. |
| 20:35.36 | resiak | mr_: Neither. |
| 20:35.38 | resiak | mr_: But udev. |
| 20:35.41 | resiak | mr_: Do not use devfs |
| 20:35.50 | resiak | !tell me -about enter |
| 20:35.52 | cureless | pollar, what was the last line of the su strace? |
| 20:35.59 | mr_ | resiak: thanks :) |
| 20:36.07 | resiak | mr_: You don't _need_ either. |
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| 20:36.13 | samer | gi all |
| 20:36.15 | samer | hi all |
| 20:36.18 | samer | :D |
| 20:36.36 | robin_sz | ribnitz: sure, I know ... but does it work with exim4. ie will exim4 deliver to maildirs and vpopmail accounts in particular? |
| 20:36.38 | samer | any one here expert in iptables |
| 20:36.42 | Petaris | resiak: according to the man I have it setup correctly |
| 20:36.46 | resiak | !tell samer about ask |
| 20:36.47 | pollar | cureless thank a lot! |
| 20:36.48 | resiak | !tell samer about guru |
| 20:36.49 | greycat | vpopmail with exim4??? |
| 20:36.59 | mr_ | resiak: if i have one of them it will automaticly add devices? |
| 20:37.01 | cureless | pollar, what? |
| 20:37.02 | ribnitz | robin_sz: I have a maildir setup of exim4 with no porb. |
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| 20:37.07 | A-abc | whats the difference between TCP_HIT and TCP_IMS_HIT in squid? |
| 20:37.08 | samer | !tell what |
| 20:37.09 | pollar | when you said about syslog, i just just restarted it |
| 20:37.14 | robin_sz | ribnitz: and vpopmail? |
| 20:37.14 | pollar | and everything is ok now |
| 20:37.15 | pollar | :) |
| 20:37.30 | cureless | pollar, so it was syslog-ng? |
| 20:37.52 | pollar | yeah :) |
| 20:37.56 | ribnitz | robin_sz: no, courier-imap |
| 20:38.00 | robin_sz | greycat: what is so stunning and or confusing about vpopmail and exim4? |
| 20:38.20 | greycat | robin_sz: I didn't think it was even theoretically possible to use vpopmail with anything other than qmail. |
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| 20:38.29 | greycat | robin_sz: does exim4 now handle /var/qmail/users/assign files, then? |
| 20:38.33 | cureless | so if your syslog-ng stops working your system is blocked from authenticating et al? |
| 20:38.44 | cureless | how sad |
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| 20:38.49 | robin_sz | greycat: no idea ... thats why I asked |
| 20:38.58 | greycat | robin_sz: then assume the answer is "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no." |
| 20:39.04 | robin_sz | right |
| 20:39.05 | pollar | when syslog crashed it somehow broke a /dev/log |
| 20:39.07 | resiak | mr_: No more so than not having one. |
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| 20:39.26 | pollar | so any aplication wich uses it blocked |
| 20:39.28 | cureless | pollar, how come it crashed? |
| 20:39.31 | robin_sz | greycat: thats fine ... so I just need to blow exim4 away and do the qmail ting I guess |
| 20:39.33 | greycat | robin_sz: vpopmail sets up virtual domains and qmail-users in a very qmail-specific way. |
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| 20:40.03 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Is there no exim / non-qmail oriented way of doing the same thing, or do you have to use vpopmail? |
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| 20:40.20 | pollar | cureless i don't know |
| 20:40.34 | pollar | posible it grsecurity's stuff :) |
| 20:40.48 | cureless | pollar, you might want to find out. |
| 20:40.55 | cureless | pollar, grsecurity? |
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| 20:41.01 | pollar | yup |
| 20:41.08 | daww | After I have done "make xconfig" where should I go then to run "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image"? |
| 20:41.17 | robin_sz | PerfDave: god knows ... I just have a few virtual domains with vpopmail to provide pop3 mailboxes with webmail, I cant see how to convert them to exim in any easy way, so I assume I need to keep them as vpopmail shrug. |
| 20:41.21 | greycat | daww: nowhere. |
| 20:41.27 | resiak | daww: Read the appropriate section of the Debian Reference |
| 20:41.37 | pollar | nice kernel patch with rbac support |
| 20:41.42 | robin_sz | PerfDave: I presume exim only delivers to local mailboxes |
| 20:41.56 | daww | resiak, where |
| 20:42.02 | ribnitz | robin_sz: exim is a full blown mta. |
| 20:42.03 | resiak | !debian reference |
| 20:42.03 | dpkg | the debian reference guide used to be known as the debian quick reference [but now it's too big to be "quick"] and is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 20:42.23 | PerfDave | robin_sz: I think there was an article on virtual mail accounts with exim on http://www.debian-administration.org/ recently. |
| 20:42.24 | daww | resiak, thx |
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| 20:42.40 | resiak | !thx |
| 20:42.40 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 20:42.50 | ribnitz | PerfDave: is that domain new? |
| 20:42.59 | lzsilva | \hh\h\h\ |
| 20:43.08 | cureless | pollar, well, there ya go. What you get for non standard stuff. |
| 20:43.10 | robin_sz | PerfDave: 'k ... ive not seen any useful way of handling virtual domains other than vpopmail though, but ... I'll look |
| 20:43.19 | cureless | anyway, after my 1 good deed of the day I'm off to lunch |
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| 20:43.54 | robin_sz | ribnitz: err, yes I know its an MTA, but does it handle virtual domains with mail storage for non-local users? |
| 20:44.08 | pollar | cureless it worked for 1,5 years |
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| 20:44.19 | settledown | if i am only intending to use this machine in a desktop environment and wont be serving web sites, or sql databases, or mail....should i only choose to install the desktop and file server (for sharing) |
| 20:44.43 | ribnitz | robin_sz: IIRC you can have a database setup, yes. |
| 20:44.49 | cureless | pollar, on debian unstable? :-) anyway, I'm hungry, later, glad that we worked it out |
| 20:45.17 | PerfDave | ribnitz: d-a has been around for a while now. |
| 20:45.18 | settledown | im just trying to speed up the install |
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| 20:45.50 | pollar | cureless thanks again, i'll try to investigate why syslog crashed |
| 20:46.05 | PerfDave | settledown: If you don't need it, don't install it. |
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| 20:46.17 | PerfDave | settledown: You can always install everything later anyway. |
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| 20:46.42 | robin_sz | ribnitz: ok, ta. I have about 20 domains totalling 5000 users on my current vpopmail system, If I can go to exim I will, because qmail is a pain to install and maintain under debian (or anything else!) .. but I didnt know if exim was up to the task. |
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| 20:46.50 | settledown | i hit enter and i didnt get a chance to check some of the software |
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| 20:46.56 | setuid | When I do a debuild of a package, is it a simple dpkg -i to install it? |
| 20:47.13 | stew | setuid: yes |
| 20:47.27 | greycat | setuid: assuming dependencies are met. |
| 20:47.33 | JYL57 | No Java virtual machine |
| 20:47.33 | JYL57 | was found after searching the following locations: |
| 20:47.33 | JYL57 | /usr/local/Eclipse/eclipse/./jre/bin/java |
| 20:47.33 | JYL57 | 'java' in your current PATH |
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| 20:47.51 | komozo | hi abrotman |
| 20:47.56 | karsten2 | I need a hand configuring shorewall |
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| 20:48.23 | greycat | dpkg, java =~ s/People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java.// |
| 20:48.24 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 20:48.42 | resiak | greycat: greycatsnack |
| 20:48.47 | ribnitz | what did I miss? |
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| 20:48.52 | FieldySnuts | The Boat |
| 20:49.02 | kesu-ki | yeah, my favorite usage of java is p2p apps |
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| 20:49.05 | setuid | greycat: Ok, I'm trying to unfsck Debian's threaded perl |
| 20:49.09 | greycat | kesu-ki: that's my ONLY use of it. |
| 20:49.14 | karsten2 | ubuntu is evil: no mc. |
| 20:49.24 | kesu-ki | heh |
| 20:49.24 | setuid | mod_perl requires a non-threaded perl, and I'm trying to track down/fix a bug there |
| 20:49.25 | resiak | karsten2: s/:.*/./ |
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| 20:49.34 | BR | does anyoone know the XF86 settings for a GFORCE FX 5700 LE Optima video card? |
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| 20:49.51 | karsten2 | resiak: Yeh. |
| 20:49.52 | simonrvn | no mc? WTF!? |
| 20:49.53 | ribnitz | BR: I have something similar. |
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| 20:49.55 | kesu-ki | java can do som much more than just p2p apps ^^ |
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| 20:50.02 | karsten2 | simonrvn: yep. |
| 20:50.03 | FieldySnuts | yes we know. go away |
| 20:50.08 | simonrvn | insane |
| 20:50.09 | JYL57 | How to indicate my path to JRE ?! |
| 20:50.21 | resiak | !tell BR about nvidia howto |
| 20:50.23 | russo | guys are there any good games that run on linux |
| 20:50.27 | russo | like full 3d |
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| 20:50.30 | A-abc | how can i redirect the output of "cat file" to a variable in bash? |
| 20:50.34 | russo | like hl2? ;) |
| 20:50.41 | fct | russo, doom 3 |
| 20:50.44 | bogon | russo: quake 3 |
| 20:50.45 | resiak | russo: UT, HL2, Doom 3? |
| 20:50.50 | greycat | JYL57: /msg dpkg java |
| 20:50.58 | russo | wow really how can u isntall them? |
| 20:51.03 | BR | Birnitz, an you email me your config filetahnkasthanks |
| 20:51.05 | russo | oh yeah |
| 20:51.10 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 20:51.13 | russo | is it okay through wine? |
| 20:51.15 | resiak | russo: UT comes with linux binaries on CD |
| 20:51.17 | FieldySnuts | ;x |
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| 20:51.20 | russo | or does it take performance hit |
| 20:51.26 | ribnitz | BR: use vesa, or get the nvidia module. |
| 20:51.29 | karsten2 | shorewall: how would I indicate the net address which is obtained via DHCP? |
| 20:51.32 | greycat | Galactic Civilizations does not run in cvscedega as of a week or two ago. |
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| 20:51.38 | Rennegade | russo: Deus Ex |
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| 20:51.44 | sepski | russo, wolfenstein enemy territories, a free online team based shooter very very addictive |
| 20:51.50 | greycat | that was my most recent attempt to do anything crazy like running windows apps on linux |
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| 20:52.09 | kesu-ki | you need to use a 3-d accelerated x server, though like nvidia and ati provide (closed source) binary version of, so you'll need alient to convert the rpms to .debs |
| 20:52.17 | greycat | kesu-ki: lie. |
| 20:52.18 | bogon | russo: for quake 3 you only need the latest pointrelease for linux (available at ftp.idsoftware.com) and a game cd (actually pak0.pak from the cd is sufficient) |
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| 20:52.34 | fct | kesu-ki, no need to, with the kernel headers and the installer he won't need no rpm |
| 20:52.37 | russo | thats cool what strategies can run linux can WC3 or Starcraft or C&C or war hammer |
| 20:52.53 | simonrvn | kesu-ki: what century are you from? |
| 20:52.58 | kesu-ki | well ati's drivers are in rpm, and i have a r300 based card... |
| 20:53.07 | greycat | !ati drivers |
| 20:53.08 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
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| 20:53.26 | fct | kesu-ki, well, I was talking about the nvidia case :) |
| 20:53.33 | greycat | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:53.33 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. You need contrib and non-free in your sources.list first! You currently need unstable/sid sources, not just testing/sarge. see <quick ... |
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| 20:53.45 | Rennegade | ok dpkg what about mobility u1 |
| 20:53.47 | settledown | is 20.0kB/s for dloading fast? |
| 20:53.54 | bogon | russo: you'd better forget about starcraft... playing it with wine sucks |
| 20:53.55 | settledown | i think i choose the wrong mirror |
| 20:54.01 | russo | yeah |
| 20:54.03 | b_52GM | do you know any univerity that offer learning, with internet like inter active course where course are streamed |
| 20:54.23 | ribnitz | settledown: I usually get like 160 kbit/s, but I have adsl.. |
| 20:54.40 | Rawplayer | i get 5mbit |
| 20:54.49 | fct | settledown, think like a mbyte/minute |
| 20:54.52 | ribnitz | b_52GM: there are various of those. |
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| 20:55.15 | Rennegade | settledown: For me it is, but I am behind so many firewalls and security devices I lose 90% of possible connection speed |
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| 20:55.22 | settledown | so 20kB is ok |
| 20:55.26 | b_52GM | ribnitz, ? do you mean that it's no a good idea? |
| 20:55.29 | settledown | not 20kb |
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| 20:55.42 | Rawplayer | Rennegade how come?:P |
| 20:55.47 | settledown | i have cable modem |
| 20:55.52 | karsten2 | What's the difference between DNAT and NAT? |
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| 20:56.07 | Mefdahl | on is dynamic |
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| 20:56.22 | Rennegade | Rawplayer: University system. They try to stop filesharing etc. and so many damn nodes |
| 20:56.26 | Paul124897 | hi guys, i see 14 iso files in the debian-weekly/i386 folder, do i need all 14? :\ |
| 20:56.28 | stew | karsten2: NAT can be DNAT or SNAT: destination or source |
| 20:56.31 | greycat | Paul124897: no |
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| 20:56.53 | fct | Rennegade, my uni has a firewall to stop p2p and filesharing and I can download like at 400kB/s |
| 20:56.53 | Paul124897 | nice quick answer, i presume any of them will do? |
| 20:56.59 | daww | How can I see if I have a specific package installed, ex kernel-package? |
| 20:57.02 | settledown | paul: i choose the netinst |
| 20:57.03 | greycat | Paul124897: if you must get a full ISO image, get #1. |
| 20:57.09 | greycat | Paul124897: otherwise, do a net install. |
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| 20:57.10 | intero | what should i read to make sure a precompiled image will work? |
| 20:57.20 | d03boy | hrm... i'm at a loss... I reinstalled lilo... still getting the LI error |
| 20:57.22 | russo | if i did apt-get wine should there be a launcher for it somewheres? |
| 20:57.24 | resiak | Rennegade: What you need is a debian mirror on your uni network :D |
| 20:57.31 | kyncani | daww: dpkg -l kernel-package (look at the first char) |
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| 20:57.37 | Paul124897 | i'm a newbie im afraid, so net-installs i dont know much about |
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| 20:57.48 | resiak | !d-i Paul124897 |
| 20:57.49 | dpkg | Paul124897, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:57.54 | Rennegade | resiak: we have one not too far from here |
| 20:57.57 | resiak | Paul124897: Do you have broadband? |
| 20:58.02 | Paul124897 | yes |
| 20:58.03 | settledown | what is a good ping time for a mirror? |
| 20:58.04 | greycat | Paul124897: well, a first-ISO install is fine too. |
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| 20:58.11 | bogon | d03boy: there's a really good page that explains all these lilo steps (L -> LI -> ...) |
| 20:58.14 | settledown | or is that a stupid way to pick a mirror? |
| 20:58.18 | greycat | settledown: anything less than infinity. |
| 20:58.20 | timewarp | Does anyone have a hd working via the sata_promise and/or sata_via modules? Please!!!! Would updating my bios help? freesbie see's it fine. |
| 20:58.31 | resiak | Paul124897: Do you have a network, or do you have a usb adsl modem or similar? |
| 20:58.37 | Paul124897 | ah thanks, ive got a link to the 'sarge' netinstall :) |
| 20:58.41 | Paul124897 | network |
| 20:58.48 | resiak | Paul124897: Then the netinst is good. |
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| 20:58.57 | pirate | Is there a specific guide on installing Debian onto a Toshiba Portege R100 ultraportable? |
| 20:58.59 | resiak | Paul124897: Expect it to take a good four hours, but you don't have to supervise. |
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| 20:59.03 | d03boy | bogon, im googling |
| 20:59.04 | resiak | !laptop |
| 20:59.04 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 20:59.05 | daww | kyncani, thank you! |
| 20:59.09 | settledown | i'm in the process of doing the sarge netinstall |
| 20:59.16 | bogon | d03boy: http://home.att.net/~lilo-boot/lilohome.htm |
| 20:59.21 | bogon | d03boy: "All I can get is " L I "" |
| 20:59.26 | sepski | pirate, look at laptop sites fx tuxmobile.com |
| 20:59.28 | rosen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.40 | d03boy | thanks |
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| 20:59.50 | pirate | Taking a look. Not having an optical drive can be a bitch sometimes. |
| 21:00.22 | FieldySnuts | sounds like rube goldberg install time |
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| 21:00.45 | WillySilly | anyone know of an unofficial repository for KDE 3.4RC1? |
| 21:00.53 | FieldySnuts | haha. yeah right. |
| 21:00.54 | greycat | WillySilly: consult #debian-kde |
| 21:01.03 | TecnoVM64 | Hi everybody, i have a problem starting vchkpw, because it says "Starting vchkpw pop daemon: qmail-pop3/etc/init.d/vchkpw: xrealloc: ../bash/print_cmd.c:1248: cannot reallocate 256 bytes (0 bytes allocated)"? |
| 21:01.10 | Paul124897 | thanks for the help guys |
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| 21:01.14 | greycat | vchkpw is no daemon. |
| 21:01.27 | TecnoVM64 | so how do i fix it? |
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| 21:01.33 | greycat | TecnoVM64: and in any case, your ulimit or softlimit is probably too low. raise it. |
| 21:01.41 | TecnoVM64 | how? |
| 21:01.49 | greycat | fucking EDIT THE SCRIPT. |
| 21:01.49 | A-abc | if i want to patch iptables for mport (patch-o-matic) do i have to recompile the kernel..or is it just enough to patch iptables? |
| 21:02.02 | greycat | gods, it even TOLD you what script. |
| 21:02.09 | WillySilly | lol |
| 21:02.13 | resiak | !lol |
| 21:02.13 | dpkg | it has been said that lol is Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
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| 21:02.24 | TecnoVM64 | which script? |
| 21:02.36 | greycat | I refuse to answer that. |
| 21:02.36 | FieldySnuts | god. |
| 21:02.38 | Rennegade | SMACKS head |
| 21:02.39 | mrhemlock | YEE HAW ;) |
| 21:02.49 | intero | what should i read to make sure a precompiled image will work? |
| 21:02.54 | FieldySnuts | !wannabe admins |
| 21:02.55 | greycat | intero: install sarge. |
| 21:02.59 | resiak | intero: What are you on about? |
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| 21:03.03 | A-abc | if i want to patch iptables for mport (patch-o-matic) do i have to recompile the kernel..or is it just enough to patch iptables? |
| 21:03.04 | TecnoVM64 | :s sorry i'm a newb, so plz help me |
| 21:03.17 | resiak | !newb |
| 21:03.17 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 21:03.21 | resiak | !plz |
| 21:03.21 | dpkg | somebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
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| 21:03.38 | resiak | !plz =~ s/channel /channel./ |
| 21:03.39 | dpkg | OK, resiak |
| 21:03.40 | TecnoVM64 | well. ok i'm not an expert so please help |
| 21:03.44 | intero | greycat, resiak: huh? just wanted to know about what i need. i always used my own images. i need to add initrd= and? anything else? |
| 21:03.49 | lizsac | !nube! |
| 21:03.55 | idnar | oh |
| 21:03.57 | resiak | !tell intero about make-kpkg |
| 21:03.59 | idnar | er, wrong window |
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| 21:04.04 | greycat | TecnoVM64: if you're not an "expert" then what the hell are you doing administering a qmail/vpopmail box? |
| 21:04.14 | intero | resiak: did you read what i said? |
| 21:04.14 | FieldySnuts | greycat: huzzah! |
| 21:04.19 | A-abc | !tell A-abc about make-kpkg |
| 21:04.23 | lizsac | yeah if yer a newb you should use postfix and qpopper |
| 21:04.25 | lizsac | heh |
| 21:04.29 | FieldySnuts | doh, trolled |
| 21:04.35 | resiak | !tell A-abc about msgdpkg |
| 21:04.50 | resiak | intero: Yeah, and if you use make-kpkg, everything is done for you. |
| 21:04.51 | A-abc | sorry, just wanted to see if works |
| 21:04.58 | resiak | A-abc: Of course it works. |
| 21:05.01 | fct | TecnoVM64, I think you'd need to get the basics first. head to tldp.org and get documents you find relevant |
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| 21:05.13 | karsten2 | OK, I think I know shorewall, sort of. |
| 21:05.17 | intero | resiak: that wasnt my question. |
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| 21:05.34 | doneill | A-abc, which kernel |
| 21:05.34 | resiak | intero: That was my answer. |
| 21:05.34 | greycat | intero: if you're on woody instead of sarge, or using lilo in sarge (expert-mode install), and if you're using an initrd kernel, then yes, you may have to add initrd= JUST LIKE THE COMPUTER TELLS YOU. |
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| 21:05.41 | TecnoVM64 | ok thanks |
| 21:05.46 | greycat | intero: or... you could install sarge. LIKE I SAID. |
| 21:05.51 | A-abc | doneill : does it count? |
| 21:05.55 | doneill | it does matter |
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| 21:06.00 | doneill | 2.4 works differently than 2.6 |
| 21:06.03 | doneill | for instance. |
| 21:06.07 | A-abc | doneill : 2.6.8 |
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| 21:06.31 | doneill | then it's nice, simple and fast. patch, then make bzImage modules modules_install |
| 21:06.35 | scytheman | verSion is a spambot |
| 21:06.37 | doneill | or, yeah, use kpkg |
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| 21:06.43 | resiak | !topicsmite scytheman |
| 21:06.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon scytheman. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 21:06.57 | mrhemlock | greycat wb |
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| 21:07.09 | simonrvn | bubye! |
| 21:07.10 | A-abc | doneill: make-kpkg only? |
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| 21:08.04 | hondje | I'm having a probably-very-dumb problem. I'm trying to change my gecos field, and chfn skips the name field. When I call chfn -f, it gives me permission denied, and passwd -f also skips the name. |
| 21:08.11 | simonrvn | A-abc: man make-kpkg for starters |
| 21:08.14 | intero | greycat: thanks. know anything about pivot_root no suche file or directory; init: 431: cannot open dev/console no such file? that's the error i get while booting with precompiled image, was wondering if i missed any param. |
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| 21:08.18 | greycat | hondje: ls -ld $(which chfn) |
| 21:08.22 | doneill | A-abc, yep. |
| 21:08.23 | sshields | Could anyone point me to good resources if I wanted to build a completely non-stripped debugging-friendly version of Debian? |
| 21:08.33 | simonrvn | hondje: yes. you can't change the first name (user name) |
| 21:08.42 | doneill | A-abc, if the patch adds any options, it will ask you about them |
| 21:08.44 | A-abc | doneill: ok thanks |
| 21:08.48 | dupondje | __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) <- what is this problem ? :s |
| 21:08.52 | dupondje | i have woody stable |
| 21:08.56 | dupondje | 2.4.29 kernel |
| 21:09.00 | hondje | greycat: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 28056 2005-02-16 09:54 /usr/bin/chfn |
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| 21:09.30 | hondje | simonrvn: That's strange, I thought chfn -f was supposed to let you muck with the gecos field :-/ |
| 21:09.40 | setuid | greycat: Any idea where I can get bootable versions of the Sarge 3.1-with-new-installer ISOs? The isos at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ aren't bootable |
| 21:09.41 | simonrvn | gecos yes |
| 21:09.57 | greycat | setuid: yes they are. |
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| 21:10.14 | Rennegade | setuid: are you checking them first? |
| 21:10.20 | setuid | greycat: No, actually they're not... I just tried the isos in vmware and burned them to physical disk media, and they're not bootable. |
| 21:10.21 | greycat | or at least the net-installer and the floppies are. I never downloaded a full ISO #1. |
| 21:10.22 | setuid | Rennegade: Yep |
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| 21:10.31 | greycat | setuid: STOP USING VMWARE!! |
| 21:10.33 | setuid | iso #1..n aren't bootable |
| 21:10.45 | setuid | greycat: I'm using vmware to test these out before I make coasters of them |
| 21:11.01 | resiak | setuid: They are bootable in VMWare, because I've used them. |
| 21:11.02 | setuid | I use vmware for my job/development, so your demand is a bit broad |
| 21:11.10 | setuid | resiak: ISO #1? |
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| 21:11.24 | resiak | setuid: This is true. But ISO #1 is bootable, I'm sure. |
| 21:11.27 | fct | hondje, dunno if it helps, but root can change names of users with "chfn username" |
| 21:11.28 | FieldySnuts | heh job/development. wanker |
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| 21:11.44 | hondje | fct: YES! Thanks man :D |
| 21:11.44 | setuid | FieldySnuts: Yeah, Free Software development is for wankers. |
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| 21:11.46 | FieldySnuts | just boot the damn things on their own |
| 21:11.54 | FieldySnuts | vmware is for wankers |
| 21:12.12 | greycat | vmware might be useful if you' |
| 21:12.15 | greycat | fuck. |
| 21:12.21 | stew | i fuck |
| 21:12.21 | doneill | which i do, frequently. |
| 21:12.37 | greycat | vmware might be useful if you're actually *developing* the debian installer, and you want to test it rapidly after rebuild, before you actually test it for REAL on a REAL COMPUTER. |
| 21:12.54 | doneill | yeah, i use qemu. |
| 21:13.07 | doneill | i want to try out this feux proggy too |
| 21:13.08 | FieldySnuts | !fuck vmware |
| 21:13.08 | setuid | greycat: If it doesn't boot in vmware, it doesn't boot, period. But I burned a disc with the same iso, and it fails to boot on 5 of my machiens here. |
| 21:13.25 | FieldySnuts | omg he's saying if it doesn't boot in vmware ... what a tit. |
| 21:13.25 | setuid | I'll pull netinst |
| 21:13.29 | resiak | setuid: Looks like you've buggered up the download. |
| 21:13.35 | sameer | hi people |
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| 21:13.47 | setuid | resiak: Or the remote file is corrupted |
| 21:13.52 | stew | setuid: check the md5sum, or buy a better burner/better media |
| 21:13.53 | alus | setuid is right |
| 21:13.54 | setuid | wget satisfies clean |
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| 21:13.56 | fct | setuid, have you checked the md5sums? |
| 21:14.01 | greycat | setuid: or you buggered the burn. |
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| 21:14.05 | setuid | fct: No md5sums are listed |
| 21:14.10 | karsten2 | feck. |
| 21:14.11 | dupondje | Mem: 247796K total, 244220K used, 3576K free, 3960K buffers |
| 21:14.11 | dupondje | Swap: 1052248K total, 0K used, 1052248K free, 119640K cached |
| 21:14.12 | FieldySnuts | you're not using it as intended, so no surprise |
| 21:14.13 | setuid | greycat: The _iso_ is the problem, before the burn |
| 21:14.15 | mike_ | I just have a simple question...is there a way make an xterm read-only (basically start a command with xterm -e "cmd" and disallow the user to type/write anything to the terminal, including ctrl-c)? |
| 21:14.17 | dupondje | why is there no swap used ? |
| 21:14.23 | FieldySnuts | because it's not needed |
| 21:14.26 | dupondje | cause if i have only 3576k free :s |
| 21:14.26 | FieldySnuts | it might be later. |
| 21:14.27 | greycat | setuid: then why are you the only person experiencing this problem? |
| 21:14.39 | fct | setuid, there must be md5s somewhere |
| 21:14.42 | setuid | greycat: I wasn't aware I was. |
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| 21:14.44 | greycat | !tell dupondje about free ram |
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| 21:14.49 | greycat | !tell dupondje about free memory |
| 21:14.55 | FieldySnuts | run it outside of vmware, otherwise you can't judge |
| 21:14.58 | takatumi | unless it's a daily build or some such and it is a genuine bug. |
| 21:15.09 | alus | FieldySnuts: vmware is a good test. |
| 21:15.11 | doneill | dupondje, try this: perl -e 'my$x;while(1){$x.=chr(rand(512));}' |
| 21:15.18 | doneill | dupondje, should hit swap soon enough |
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| 21:15.22 | fct | FieldySnuts, vmware has been quite reliable for boot testing in my experience |
| 21:15.29 | russo | is there a debian launcher for wine or is it a command prompt thing |
| 21:15.33 | russo | i meant terminal |
| 21:15.40 | karsten2 | OK, I'm rejecting DNS traffic. |
| 21:15.49 | setuid | They should put the md5sums on the same page/dir as the isos are linked from |
| 21:15.53 | fct | russo, command prompt. you can install winesetuptk for graphical configuring, though |
| 21:15.55 | doneill | russo, yeah, it's called xterm |
| 21:15.58 | alus | !tell alus about free memory |
| 21:16.16 | resiak | !tell alus about msgdpkg |
| 21:16.21 | setuid | Heck, having the md5sums on the same _server_ would be nice |
| 21:16.21 | greycat | FieldySnuts: but at least alus is trying to learn. |
| 21:16.22 | setuid | grrr |
| 21:16.23 | fct | heh |
| 21:16.24 | dupondje | doneill: swap doesn't get used |
| 21:16.27 | alus | heh |
| 21:16.32 | doneill | dupondje, does the system die? |
| 21:16.36 | dupondje | nop |
| 21:16.37 | doneill | or random processes, at least |
| 21:16.38 | setuid | greycat: Any idea where the md5sums for these are? |
| 21:16.46 | doneill | then your computer is a martian |
| 21:16.47 | greycat | setuid: don't know. ask #debian-boot. |
| 21:16.49 | alus | FieldySnuts: give me one reason why vmware will not will boot when a normal computer would? |
| 21:16.54 | FieldySnuts | Mem: 3636416k total, 957224k used, 2679192k free, 120652k buffers |
| 21:16.54 | FieldySnuts | Swap: 257000k total, 0k used, 257000k free, 713708k cached |
| 21:16.55 | setuid | They're not on the page, nor are they on the server hosting them |
| 21:16.57 | FieldySnuts | alus: stop trolling me. |
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| 21:17.14 | fct | setuid, I don't remember the url, try google (should get the result easily) |
| 21:17.25 | doneill | FieldySnuts, it'll take a long time, you have 2.6GB of physical ram |
| 21:17.31 | alus | FieldySnuts: I think you have the wrong idea about vmware, is all |
| 21:17.32 | FieldySnuts | doneill: what will |
| 21:17.32 | doneill | run the script, and go get a coffee. |
| 21:17.32 | setuid | fct: I've been using google, most of the links are dead/down |
| 21:17.36 | karsten2 | Is DNS always port 53 to port 53? |
| 21:17.36 | dupondje | __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) <- i'm getting this error |
| 21:17.37 | doneill | err, physical ram available |
| 21:17.41 | doneill | woops |
| 21:17.45 | greycat | karsten2: no. |
| 21:17.46 | FieldySnuts | alus: leave me alone |
| 21:17.46 | doneill | wrong person, nothing FieldySnuts. |
| 21:17.49 | FieldySnuts | on ok |
| 21:17.50 | fct | alus, just ignore it. it's a pointless discussion, he doesn't trust vmware and that's all |
| 21:17.50 | dolson | hexxeh: thanks for that link, one of those installers worked with the Compaq array just fine. :) |
| 21:17.59 | doneill | nice specs though |
| 21:18.01 | simonrvn | FYI, a lot of site don't allow FN changing. implies changing the user name as well hence chfn or passwd -f won't work regardless of what you do |
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| 21:18.11 | fct | setuid, what were the ISOs again? |
| 21:18.13 | sameer | hi people |
| 21:18.14 | setuid | s/trust/understand/ |
| 21:18.17 | doneill | i have a box here with a 256MB cache on a sata card, and 4gb of ddr |
| 21:18.17 | sameer | can some one help me |
| 21:18.18 | abrotman | !ops Guest21743 on join spam |
| 21:18.18 | dupondje | is there a way to test if it uses ram ? :s |
| 21:18.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Guest21743 on join spam |
| 21:18.21 | doneill | it's not mine though :< |
| 21:18.24 | setuid | fct: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
| 21:18.26 | cooly | hi. does anyone tried here tv tuner with linux? i am asking only, if it is posible, if it works perfect, if there is software available for it - recording, saving data on disk etc |
| 21:18.26 | mike_ | I just have a simple question...is there a way make an xterm read-only (basically start a command with xterm -e "cmd" and disallow the user to type/write anything to the terminal, including ctrl-c)? Alternatively is there a wrapper that can wrap around xterm that will disallow keyboard strokes to the xterm? |
| 21:18.34 | simonrvn | oh s/he left.. :/ |
| 21:18.34 | LoRez | klined |
| 21:18.34 | karsten2 | greycat: Dig. |
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| 21:18.38 | greycat | setuid: "trust" is appropriate in that context. it's closed-source, proprietary, commercial software. |
| 21:18.50 | greycat | setuid: how can we know whether it *properly* emulates the behavior? |
| 21:18.50 | mrhemlock | vipw should let you change gecos |
| 21:18.56 | setuid | greycat: And well-written, with no open source/free software alternative. |
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| 21:19.06 | karsten2 | greycat: Follows. |
| 21:19.08 | greycat | how do you know it's well-written? |
| 21:19.09 | valdyn | cooly: yes |
| 21:19.15 | dupondje | seems like it uses swap now |
| 21:19.16 | dupondje | weird |
| 21:19.20 | karsten2 | Mar 1 13:17:51 localhost kernel: Shorewall:all2all:REJECT:IN= OUT=eth1 SRC=10.9.12.61 DST=10.1.3.20 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=1029 DPT=53 LEN=40 |
| 21:19.24 | cooly | valdyn, everything what i ask is - yes? |
| 21:19.28 | karsten2 | How do I not reject that? |
| 21:19.30 | HSorgYves | i have a q regarding apt pinning: if i use testing distro and kernel from unstable (ie 2.6.10) as testing is freezed regarding the kernel, are the priorities of testing 900 and unstable 200 correct? |
| 21:19.43 | greycat | karsten2: as I said. SPT=1029, DPT=53. the source port is RANDOM, naturally. |
| 21:19.54 | valdyn | cooly: yep |
| 21:19.59 | cooly | valdyn, ok thanx |
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| 21:20.16 | karsten2 | greycat: yeah. You in #flood? |
| 21:20.18 | valdyn | cooly: google v4l or video4linux or v4l2 |
| 21:20.33 | karsten2 | greycat: I should have matching ACCEPT rules. Using shorewall |
| 21:20.33 | dupondje | can sarge run 2.4.29 kernel ? |
| 21:20.34 | Rennegade | !tell Rennegade about mobility u1 |
| 21:20.39 | greycat | dupondje: yes |
| 21:20.42 | karsten2 | greycat: OK, that opened it... |
| 21:20.43 | cooly | valdyn, ok thanx for hint where to begin |
| 21:20.44 | EvanCarroll | !v4l |
| 21:20.44 | dpkg | i heard v4l is video for linux. http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 21:20.49 | EvanCarroll | or just ask dpkg |
| 21:20.52 | EvanCarroll | =/ lol |
| 21:20.56 | dupondje | so if i just change sources.list |
| 21:20.57 | dupondje | and update |
| 21:21.00 | dupondje | it should be ok ? |
| 21:21.12 | sameer | can some tell me how to choose a toolkit for gui development |
| 21:21.24 | greycat | sameer: coin toss? |
| 21:21.30 | EvanCarroll | lol |
| 21:21.33 | sameer | nope not that kind |
| 21:21.36 | valdyn | cooly: theres at least one specific distro for that too, though no need to use a specific distro either |
| 21:21.38 | EvanCarroll | sameer: your question is awesome |
| 21:21.42 | sameer | i mean i need i candy.. |
| 21:21.48 | sameer | and also stable |
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| 21:22.06 | sameer | which gui libraries does xmms use.. |
| 21:22.08 | cooly | i will buy a camera for video controll, and i will use it on my server and try to do that it record it ex. for last 24 hour |
| 21:22.09 | EvanCarroll | what about simplicity, portablity, everlasting life, and good fortune? |
| 21:22.15 | sameer | i thinks its slick |
| 21:22.15 | karsten2 | sameer: No, it's "I want candy..." |
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| 21:22.24 | sameer | hey stop joking.. |
| 21:22.26 | sameer | im serious |
| 21:22.31 | fct | sameer, xmms uses gtk1.2, but they are old as hell. gtk 2.6 are the latest |
| 21:22.32 | sameer | please help |
| 21:22.41 | sameer | but xmms looks good |
| 21:22.44 | valdyn | cooly: make sure you determine if that device is supported before you buy it |
| 21:22.51 | sameer | nad its skinable |
| 21:22.52 | resiak | sameer: XMMS doesn't use GTK controls on its main page. |
| 21:23.02 | resiak | Skinnable != good. |
| 21:23.08 | fct | sameer, it looks good cause it overwrites the gui toolkit with skins, as winamp does |
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| 21:23.17 | EvanCarroll | sameer: use ncurses |
| 21:23.26 | cooly | valdyn, yes sure, i just asked here if it is possible, now i will read docs about it and try to find the best what i need |
| 21:23.30 | sameer | sorry ncurses to obselete |
| 21:23.41 | simonrvn | obsolete?! |
| 21:23.41 | EvanCarroll | no, no its not |
| 21:23.42 | fct | anyway gtk is skinnable too, so if you want eye candy there's no problem there |
| 21:23.55 | simonrvn | can i have some of that crack you're smoking? |
| 21:23.57 | mrhemlock | sameer, glade |
| 21:24.05 | sameer | actually i want to make a totally dedicated gui for an ce product |
| 21:24.18 | fct | sameer, ncurses is as obsolete as a text console. it's not graphical but still heavily used and maintained. not obsolete at all :) |
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| 21:24.29 | sameer | and i dont need windows .. or wmanagers.. |
| 21:24.31 | sameer | nothing |
| 21:24.32 | difeta | how can i get the totem movies player to play .swf files? |
| 21:24.34 | EvanCarroll | sameer: you have come to the right place, #guidevelopment here on freenode |
| 21:24.36 | fct | sameer, cd? |
| 21:24.44 | fct | err, ce? |
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| 21:24.52 | valdyn | difeta: i doubt you can, isnt swf shockwave flash? |
| 21:25.05 | sameer | consumer electronics |
| 21:25.07 | fct | difeta, those are macromedia flash files, you can watch them in a browser with the flash plugin installed |
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| 21:25.28 | sameer | fct can i have private talk with u |
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| 21:25.40 | sameer | and also Evancarroll |
| 21:25.42 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 21:25.43 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:25.44 | difeta | valdyn, yeah, just curious |
| 21:25.47 | simonrvn | sounds like mgt.-speak for "let's sell some crap to naĂŻve customers" |
| 21:25.55 | difeta | fct, i know, i'd just be cool |
| 21:26.01 | MobyTurbo | what happened to "Dammit Jim"? |
| 21:26.11 | doneill | Dammit, Jim. |
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| 21:26.20 | fct | difeta, not possible in totem at the moment, afaik |
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| 21:26.35 | difeta | fct, ok, no prob |
| 21:26.38 | valdyn | nor will it ever be, swf is not a movie codec |
| 21:26.55 | doneill | libavcodec can read em. |
| 21:26.58 | doneill | or, write em, at least. |
| 21:27.02 | calin | What can I use to execute a command when a local emailbox recieves an email? |
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| 21:27.06 | fct | and swfdec, that has a gstreamer plugin. who knows |
| 21:27.07 | doneill | not *well* |
| 21:27.22 | greycat | calin: procmail, .forward, etc. |
| 21:27.27 | calin | thank you |
| 21:27.33 | calin | I was looking for procmail |
| 21:27.38 | calin | couldn't remember the name |
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| 21:29.21 | synic | anyone know of a repo that has php5 for sarge? |
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| 21:29.26 | ludi | what are some free streaming radio stations? |
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| 21:29.36 | doneill | ludi: shoutcast.com |
| 21:29.41 | stew | synic: dotdeb.org |
| 21:29.50 | doneill | beeliuns of stations. |
| 21:29.50 | mrhemlock | SyAtWork, apt-get.org |
| 21:30.00 | mrhemlock | synic, apt-get.org |
| 21:30.11 | escualis | please, anyone know how-to setup the ATM support in kernel? the module doesn't works :( |
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| 21:30.19 | synic | yeah, I found the dotdeb.org one, but it contains packages that conflict with sarge packages |
| 21:30.27 | doneill | escualis, yeah it does. |
| 21:30.28 | puff | In dpkg, is there a log anywhere of what/when was done? |
| 21:30.34 | greycat | puff: no |
| 21:30.47 | cirdan | synic: i also want it, it's in NEW |
| 21:30.53 | synic | cirdan: NEW ? |
| 21:30.56 | puff | Hm. |
| 21:31.01 | cirdan | can't the source be grabbed from incomming? |
| 21:31.09 | greycat | !simple sid backport |
| 21:31.10 | dpkg | it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 21:31.10 | puff | Is there any way to list when packages were installed? |
| 21:31.21 | greycat | puff: ls -lart /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 21:31.26 | cirdan | haha |
| 21:31.28 | cirdan | -lart |
| 21:31.46 | synic | cirdan: NEW - as in a repo called NEW? what's the address? |
| 21:31.52 | greycat | the -a isn't really necessary there, but it's a habit |
| 21:32.00 | puff | Hm. |
| 21:32.07 | puff | Odd. |
| 21:32.09 | stew | synic: no, the queue, ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 21:32.12 | puff | Danke. |
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| 21:32.29 | puff | I'd really love to find something that would let me organize/record my apt/dpkg use better. |
| 21:32.40 | stew | puff: thats the oldest open bug in the bts |
| 21:32.41 | synic | stew: ah |
| 21:32.46 | puff | stew: ? |
| 21:33.00 | WillySilly | Could I install KDE 3.4RC1 by downloading the suse src rpms and using alien of them? |
| 21:33.02 | puff | Well, mainly I'm thinking of something that would log a comment as to why I instaleld a given pakcage. |
| 21:33.16 | stew | !dbugs 957 |
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| 21:33.22 | dpkg | #957:W[dpkg] dpkg should automatically log everything Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:03:02 UTC [#53376,#77109,#143882] |
| 21:33.25 | puff | As well as noting, besides what packages depend on it (which I'm sure I can get), what package dependency first prompted the install. |
| 21:33.29 | greycat | hahahaha |
| 21:33.33 | puff | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/12/msg02930.html |
| 21:33.40 | greycat | we need to celebrate that bug's 10th anniversary in june. |
| 21:33.44 | puff | Heh. |
| 21:33.48 | puff | hm. |
| 21:33.48 | Blackvel | how about cyrus-imapd for my IMAP server? |
| 21:33.54 | puff | Okay... so now I have a project :-). |
| 21:34.07 | simonrvn | Blackvel: what about it? learn SASL first |
| 21:34.11 | stew | greycat: did you see that actually someone started working on it last week or something |
| 21:34.15 | escualis | doneill, ok, i will recompilate the kernel |
| 21:34.21 | Blackvel | SASL? |
| 21:34.22 | escualis | it's send me ipx problem. |
| 21:34.29 | doneill | try defraggling your motherdisk too |
| 21:34.34 | karsten2 | feck. I've got shorewall configured so I can't access the Internet from the firewall host itself. |
| 21:34.44 | Blackvel | I have no imap server on my vserver |
| 21:34.52 | Blackvel | what software should I install? |
| 21:34.58 | Blackvel | I plan to use squirrelmail |
| 21:35.05 | greycat | Blackvel: dovecot |
| 21:35.22 | Blackvel | works with old debian 3.0? |
| 21:35.30 | simonrvn | Blackvel: courier is easier to set up. |
| 21:35.31 | greycat | !info dovecot woody |
| 21:35.31 | escualis | doneill, i have a phonecell SX5e GSM and i try to conect to him.. |
| 21:35.35 | greycat | blah. |
| 21:35.37 | escualis | via serial port. |
| 21:36.05 | Blackvel | I was reading about courier some minutes ago in the FAQ section on squirrelmail |
| 21:36.23 | greycat | courier-imap is good, but annoying to configure. |
| 21:36.44 | Blackvel | hehe |
| 21:36.54 | Blackvel | two different meanings |
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| 21:36.59 | Blackvel | as I had expected |
| 21:37.18 | JYL57 | Have problem configuring apt for ftp transfer via proxy |
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| 21:37.30 | greycat | why the HELL would you use ftp? |
| 21:37.34 | JYL57 | http Ok, but ftp fails |
| 21:37.38 | greycat | so use http! |
| 21:37.38 | npx | sup? |
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| 21:37.55 | anIdiot | OK, I'm getting better at this.... |
| 21:37.58 | JYL57 | because the deb I need are only on ftp servers it seems |
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| 21:38.03 | WillySilly | Could I install KDE 3.4RC1 by downloading the suse src rpms and using alien of them? |
| 21:38.11 | EvanCarroll | courier-imap is extremly 'annoying to configure' |
| 21:38.15 | npx | greycat, maybe he needs to be using passive ftp? |
| 21:38.31 | EvanCarroll | im doing it right now =/ |
| 21:38.32 | greycat | npx: maybe he needs to be using something invented after 1980 |
| 21:38.40 | JYL57 | npx : I'm quite sure it's about that |
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| 21:38.42 | karsten2 | simonrvn: Any suggestions on ports to configure for external access? |
| 21:39.02 | npx | JYL57, I mentioned it to greycat because I don't know how to tell apt to use passive ftp, figured he might |
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| 21:39.07 | npx | and I assumed you don't =P |
| 21:39.11 | valdyn | WillySilly: have you looked at the site of debians kde maintainers? |
| 21:39.19 | EvanCarroll | npx apt-prefrences i believe |
| 21:39.31 | npx | JYL57, generally though I agree with him; http works just fine if you use an up-to-date mirror |
| 21:39.31 | greycat | why the HELL would you use ftp for apt-get when you already know that http works? |
| 21:39.35 | JYL57 | greycat : http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java-linux-d2.html |
| 21:39.49 | greycat | JYL57: /msg dpkg java |
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| 21:40.26 | intero | anyone know anything about pivot_root no suche file or directory; init: 431: cannot open dev/console no such file? that's the error i get while booting with precompiled image |
| 21:40.30 | JYL57 | greycat : that's where I found the link, now I want to apt-get install them |
| 21:40.43 | npx | JYL57, do what he told you. /msg dpkg java |
| 21:40.57 | npx | Check the other factoids that mentions |
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| 21:41.24 | JYL57 | npx : don't understand factoids ??! |
| 21:41.39 | greycat | !tell JYL57 about install java |
| 21:41.49 | greycat | !wikifaq JYL57 InstallJava |
| 21:41.50 | dpkg | JYL57: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallJava or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:41.50 | WillySilly | no |
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| 21:41.59 | WillySilly | but i cant find it on the site |
| 21:42.05 | npx | that is a factoid, you could get the same thing by doing /msg dpkg install java |
| 21:42.11 | kaiowa | i have make a partition with ext3 format, fstab i put /dev/hdb3 /mnt/hdb3 ..... but it dont mount, its correct?? |
| 21:42.33 | npx | kaiowa, is /dev/hdb3 an ext3 partition? |
| 21:42.35 | greycat | kaiowa: mkdir /mnt/hdb3 |
| 21:42.45 | kaiowa | the dir exists |
| 21:42.47 | kaiowa | yes it is |
| 21:42.57 | greycat | kaiowa: what error do you get when you type "mount /mnt/hdb3"? |
| 21:44.09 | kaiowa | filesystem incorrect, incorrect option superblock incorrect in hdb3 |
| 21:44.32 | greycat | how did you create the ext3 file system? |
| 21:44.34 | kaiowa | or number of filesystems mounted excesive |
| 21:44.43 | kaiowa | with qtparted |
| 21:44.57 | greycat | so you didn't actually create the file system yet. just the partition. |
| 21:45.05 | greycat | you want to do a "mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb3" |
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| 21:45.42 | npx | Speaking of partitions, I noticed that there isn't an XFS partition type in fdisk |
| 21:45.52 | greycat | npx: Linux, type 83. |
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| 21:46.02 | kaiowa | thx i forgot |
| 21:46.04 | kaiowa | :) |
| 21:46.18 | npx | greycat, yeah, that makes the kernel guess it's ext2/3/vfat before it's mounted as XFS |
| 21:46.28 | stew | npx: xfs isn't a patition type, its a filesystem that you can put on a partition |
| 21:46.33 | npx | Which isn't a problem, just the sort of thing that makes me go 'wtf' |
| 21:46.40 | JYL57 | greycat : the pages indicated ask for downloading sources and then compiling, I have .deb availables for i386 |
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| 21:47.03 | greycat | JYL57: you're beyond hope. I give up on you. |
| 21:47.04 | npx | stew, ahh, see, I never realized there was any difference |
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| 21:47.16 | Epix | how do i make my motd run a bash script? #!ing bash wont work! |
| 21:47.25 | greycat | !wikifaq Epix DotFiles |
| 21:47.26 | dpkg | Epix: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:47.50 | greycat | it won't *directly* answer your question, but you appear to be lacking some fundamentals. |
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| 21:48.03 | JYL57 | greycat : Anyway you just indicated another path and didn't answer my ftp transfer problem ;-) |
| 21:48.16 | greycat | JYL57: because you have THE WRONG PROBLEM. |
| 21:48.21 | quittt | !slack |
| 21:48.21 | dpkg | hmm... slack is the man. damn cool |
| 21:48.33 | quittt | !hacker |
| 21:48.34 | dpkg | [hacker] someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiousity. |
| 21:48.35 | greycat | JYL57: if your shoe is untied, you don't ask someone how to cut up a shirt and make it into a shoe. |
| 21:49.02 | quittt | !netscape |
| 21:49.02 | dpkg | somebody said netscape was the company making Navigator (web browser) and Communicator (web, mail, news), or now owned by AOL, who are now owned by Time/Warner, or Navigator's MTBF is about 1 minute, what's your mileage?, or ask me about mozilla, or a *major* memory PIG!, or really shitty Always wait for the official Debian package. a bloated piece of shit, or ... |
| 21:49.14 | Epix | greycat: yes... bashrc would do it... but i want to do this for every user and some users are already made so /etc/skel wont help em |
| 21:49.16 | greycat | quittt: /msg the bot, please |
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| 21:49.31 | greycat | Epix: motd is not a program. it's a pure data file. |
| 21:49.39 | Epix | greycat: k... |
| 21:49.42 | Epix | i see |
| 21:49.43 | greycat | Epix: things spit it out that aren't even shells. |
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| 21:49.53 | cire | A friend (on phone) tells me, his internet doesn't work. Pinging any IP returns "destination host not reachable". He uses a ppp dsl connection. ppp0 is present, but he cannot ping any IP. His Inet IP returned by ifconfig isn't pingable from my machine. I do not know what to do now. Any ideas? |
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| 21:50.00 | Epix | !tell Epix about iforgetyourname |
| 21:50.15 | karsten2 | cire: Try having him reconnect for starters. |
| 21:50.16 | npx | Epix, cd /home; for i in $(ls -d */ -w2); do echo "Bleh" > $i/.bashrc;done |
| 21:50.29 | greycat | npx: that will DESTROY people's .bashrc files. |
| 21:50.32 | karsten2 | cire: Many ISPs block ping. 'mtr' (matt's traceroute) often works instead. |
| 21:50.34 | npx | Yeah |
| 21:50.43 | greycat | npx: and what the HELL is "$(ls -d */ -w2)" for? |
| 21:50.44 | npx | I just noticed the lack of >> |
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| 21:51.07 | greycat | THE FOLLOWING IS ALWAYS WRONG: for i in $(ls ...) |
| 21:51.09 | npx | greycat, that's how someone who smokes a lot of weed and hasn't done any bash scripting in a while gets a list of directories =) |
| 21:51.15 | fct | what about "chown root .bashrc; chmod 555 .bashrc"? somehow that looks wrong ;) |
| 21:51.24 | greycat | npx: for i in */; do |
| 21:51.27 | cire | karsten2: we restarted his machine, and also reconnected his ppp connection. same result. pinging is not blocked by his and my provider. |
| 21:51.28 | npx | I didn't mean for him to copy that verbatim; it was just a half-assed example |
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| 21:51.31 | Mefdahl | so nice to be home... where there is no windows. |
| 21:51.32 | Mefdahl | heh |
| 21:51.41 | greycat | npx: or even better: for i in */.bashrc; do |
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| 21:51.51 | npx | damn, I didn't know you could do that |
| 21:51.53 | npx | that's pretty cool |
| 21:51.55 | karsten2 | cire: ifconfig ppp0. Can he ping his peer? |
| 21:52.01 | karsten2 | cire: could be ISP fuckwittage. |
| 21:52.07 | cg0def | does anyone know if the net-install cd work for amd64? |
| 21:52.15 | greycat | cg0def: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 21:52.25 | cg0def | I don't want 64bit OS |
| 21:52.35 | greycat | cg0def: uh.... |
| 21:52.37 | cire | kartsen2: this works! |
| 21:52.41 | ere | anyone know if it is possible to determine how many bytes a process has transmitted on a given network interface? |
| 21:52.54 | greycat | cire: probably missing the default route, then |
| 21:53.01 | npx | cg0def, out of curiosity... why did you buy 64-bit hardware, then? |
| 21:53.07 | cg0def | I was wondering if the net install has all the modules in order to install debian x86 on amd64 computer |
| 21:53.17 | directhex | why wouldn't it? |
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| 21:53.23 | greycat | npx: because an amd64 is a better i386 chip than anything else on the market. |
| 21:53.24 | npx | cg0def, A woody net-install wouldn't, of c ourse |
| 21:53.26 | directhex | sarge has amd64 kernels and libs on the i386 dist |
| 21:53.28 | cire | how may he setup his default route manually? |
| 21:53.31 | fct | cg0def, according to AMD, it should work fine :/ |
| 21:53.35 | npx | but sarge would be fine |
| 21:53.36 | Starfury^ | quickie, whats the key combo for restarting xserver? |
| 21:53.37 | cg0def | npx: well it's a laptop and I don't want 64 bit OS untill more things start working like they should |
| 21:53.46 | greycat | cg0def: if you just let it be an i386, I don't see why you even have a question. |
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| 21:53.57 | npx | greycat, I dunno; xeon with 2mb cache can't compete? |
| 21:53.58 | npx | those things are brutal |
| 21:54.07 | directhex | npx, no, it can't |
| 21:54.10 | Starfury^ | anyone? |
| 21:54.13 | cg0def | because it seems to create an unbootable install with corupt grub mbr |
| 21:54.14 | karsten2 | cire: What works? |
| 21:54.15 | Starfury^ | ctrl alt backspace? |
| 21:54.17 | greycat | npx: how about price-performance and powerconsumption-performance ratios? |
| 21:54.24 | directhex | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp |
| 21:54.27 | directhex | !info kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp sarge |
| 21:54.31 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 SMP systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-11 (sid), Packaged size: 12924 kB, Installed size: 43734 kB |
| 21:54.33 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-10-amd64-k8-smp: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 SMP systems), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-11 (sarge), Packaged size: 12924 kB, Installed size: 43734 kB |
| 21:54.34 | npx | greycat, admittedly, I'm out of the loop |
| 21:54.50 | greycat | my god.... dash TEN? |
| 21:54.52 | Starfury^ | whats the key combo for restarting xserver please? |
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| 21:54.59 | cg0def | yeah I suppose I should make a custom install cd |
| 21:54.59 | greycat | Starfury^: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 21:55.02 | njan | Starfury^, Ctrl-Alt-backspace will kill x |
| 21:55.02 | Starfury^ | ta |
| 21:55.09 | sobersabre | hey |
| 21:55.18 | cire | karsten2 and greycat: thanks for your help. Fucked up def route because of wrong /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 21:55.18 | npx | cg0def, the debian-installer sarge netinstall will probably work pretty well for you |
| 21:55.23 | npx | cg0def, I'd check the mailing lists |
| 21:55.29 | cg0def | ok thx |
| 21:55.33 | karsten2 | cire: That'll do it ;-) |
| 21:55.45 | cg0def | I did the try the sarge net install and it was having problems |
| 21:55.49 | karsten2 | Starfury^: <ctrl><alt><backsp> |
| 21:55.57 | npx | cg0def, what problems? |
| 21:56.05 | Epix | debian++ |
| 21:56.09 | cg0def | grub won't boot |
| 21:56.22 | brisling | hi, have PHP5 been implemented for apt-get packardges? |
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| 21:56.30 | Starfury^ | any programs that can monitor the bios temp sensors? |
| 21:56.31 | npx | Hmm, sounds like a user error to me; are you sure you installed it on the MBA of your boot drive? |
| 21:56.32 | karsten2 | !tell brisling about search |
| 21:56.38 | Borg^Queen | Hello people |
| 21:56.39 | greycat | Starfury^: lm-sensors |
| 21:56.46 | karsten2 | Borg^Queen: We're all bots. Sorry. |
| 21:56.50 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 21:56.52 | Starfury^ | greycat: it on apt-get? |
| 21:57.00 | Starfury^ | and is that LM or IM? |
| 21:57.03 | greycat | Starfury^: sorry, I'm all done breast-feeding for today. |
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| 21:57.12 | Starfury^ | lol |
| 21:57.12 | npx | s/MBA/MBR/ |
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| 21:57.21 | Borg^Queen | greycat: I hope you're a woman |
| 21:57.21 | Starfury^ | ok the second question at leasT? |
| 21:57.25 | Starfury^ | he int |
| 21:57.26 | petemc | npx: MBA is a degree for business types, itym MBR :) |
| 21:57.28 | greycat | Borg^Queen: I'm not. |
| 21:57.34 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 21:57.38 | npx | petemc, hehhe, yeah =) |
| 21:57.41 | Borg^Queen | Then you'd not know... |
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| 21:57.47 | toomboy | does anyone know a way to link up 2 hardware raid0 arrays so they can become 1 device, without loosing any extra space, i believe lvm doesnt support jbod |
| 21:57.53 | Starfury^ | greycat: is it im or Lm? |
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| 21:57.59 | greycat | Starfury^: it's lm |
| 21:58.05 | greycat | any more stupid questions? |
| 21:58.10 | stew | my god |
| 21:58.32 | Starfury^ | how did i know you hadnt used a capital i and then the rest in lower case |
| 21:58.40 | Epix | any reason not to go to 2.6? |
| 21:58.42 | stew | Starfury^: choose a better font |
| 21:58.45 | Borg^Queen | I'm currently on the Debian website, but I've not found any news on the release of sarge. Does anyone know if they're announce a possible release date? |
| 21:58.49 | npx | Epix, Not for me! |
| 21:58.55 | greycat | Starfury^: paste it into your browser right out of the irc window. |
| 21:58.57 | Starfury^ | stew: what you use? |
| 21:59.05 | Epix | npx: did you compile or dl the image |
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| 21:59.13 | npx | Epix, I dl'd the image |
| 21:59.13 | greycat | !tell Borg^Queen about wwsr |
| 21:59.13 | suman | hi all |
| 21:59.13 | Starfury^ | greycat: great but i am not the one who needs to know |
| 21:59.19 | Starfury^ | anyawy |
| 21:59.19 | stew | Starfury^: fixed |
| 21:59.20 | npx | Epix, works *great* |
| 21:59.24 | Starfury^ | stew k |
| 21:59.26 | greycat | Starfury^: but you're the one who ASKED. |
| 21:59.47 | Epix | npx: did it autoconfig your bootloader? |
| 21:59.53 | suman | xmms was plating well till now ...but when i rebooted the machine... the song is playing but no voice is heard...what can be the reson? |
| 22:00.04 | Borg^Queen | greycat: thanks |
| 22:00.04 | npx | Epix, No, I recall having to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:00.07 | suman | i have checked alsamixer and it is fine |
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| 22:00.12 | Starfury^ | i will be back in a bit with some more stupid questions |
| 22:00.26 | Starfury^ | lol |
| 22:00.38 | npx | Epix, which isn't very hard; I think man menu.lst pretty much covers it |
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| 22:00.52 | greycat | No manual entry for menu.lst |
| 22:01.03 | Epix | npx: i have grub installed, but not InStaLLed (on my MBR)... |
| 22:01.07 | Epix | i think |
| 22:01.13 | suman | xmms was playing well till now ...but when i rebooted the machine... the song is playing but no voice is heard...what can be the reson? |
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| 22:01.19 | Epix | what does 'grub' the command do? |
| 22:01.26 | greycat | man grub; man grub-install |
| 22:01.32 | Dharma | hello all, i set up my .xsession file to run the excellent xdp when i first boot into blackbox...but it displays it with half of the text box cut off outside the right viewing area and i have to drag it into the center to read...is there a way i can get it to display dead center each time?? |
| 22:01.36 | cg0def | grub opens up the grub shell |
| 22:01.36 | npx | grub-install usually breaks for me. |
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| 22:01.50 | suman | does this have something got to do with sysfs? |
| 22:01.53 | greycat | Dharma: does that program (whatever it is) accept -geometry arguments? |
| 22:02.03 | Dharma | don't really know |
| 22:02.14 | Dharma | it's a pretty simple app...just spits out a sutra |
| 22:02.16 | npx | What I do, is I use the example from /usr/share/doc/grub/examples, modify the boot stanzas and then run 'grub' on it and use the 'install to MBR' option at the bottom |
| 22:02.17 | Epix | greycat: and how do i get it to MBR? |
| 22:03.09 | npx | grub-install insalls it to your mbr (grub-install should work fine, as long as you don't have an xfs /) |
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| 22:03.35 | npx | now that I think about it, I *do* have an xfs /, which is why grub-install takes forever to run |
| 22:03.41 | stew | npx: what does xfs have to do with grub install? |
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| 22:03.52 | npx | stew, read the manual, it mentions it. |
| 22:04.06 | Epix | grub-install asks for a device name? will MBR work? |
| 22:04.08 | Dharma | greycat...how would i test the geometry argument |
| 22:04.33 | npx | Epix, you want to point it at the hard drive whose MBR you want it installed on, or a partition of a drive |
| 22:04.37 | Borg^Queen | The articles are old |
| 22:04.43 | Borg^Queen | And they didn't answer my Q |
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| 22:04.53 | npx | so /dev/hda for the primary master MBR, /dev/hda1 for the primary master 1st partition |
| 22:04.53 | npx | et |
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| 22:05.06 | Epix | npx: shit, i forgot the damn grub device thingy.. hd0 is hda right/ |
| 22:05.31 | npx | Yeah, hd0 is hda, hd0,0 is hda1 iirc |
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| 22:06.12 | Epix | npx: and if i edit/boot/grub/menu.lst do i need to reinstall grub? |
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| 22:06.28 | npx | Epix, no, grub can understand filesystems so it'll just read it when you restart. |
| 22:06.51 | ludi | is there a way that I can make only a single directory with a dot "." prefix appear unhidden in my nautilus display? |
| 22:06.51 | Dharma | gonna try this one more time...repost: hello all, i set up my .xsession file to run the excellent xdp when i first boot into blackbox...but it displays it with half of the text box cut off outside the right viewing area and i have to drag it into the center to read...is there a way i can get it to display dead center each time?? |
| 22:06.56 | russo | can someone here help me im running a freesco printserver and it uses LPR so im guessing i need to use LPRNG for printing but im so confused. Can i still use CUPS? |
| 22:07.07 | npx | Epix, you can even have it drop to a grub shell at boot time, so you can boot any kernel on any supported FS =D |
| 22:07.43 | timo | Dharma, see if you can set blackbox to remember the window's position |
| 22:08.05 | cg0def | why is exim the default mail server? |
| 22:08.05 | russo | is there a cups or lprng channel cuz im getting frustrated unless someone knows how to help :( |
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| 22:08.13 | Dharma | timo, great idea...how would i do that? |
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| 22:08.43 | timo | Dharma, I don't know, I don't use blackbox. try right-clicking on the title bar or something |
| 22:08.45 | npx | ludi, I think there's just a 'hide dot files' checkbox |
| 22:08.47 | Epix | npx: ahh, 386 or 686? |
| 22:08.58 | npx | Epix, the 386 or 686 kernel image? |
| 22:09.04 | Starfury^ | ok does the boot up get logged anywhere? |
| 22:09.05 | Dharma | timo, another user suggested setting the geometry for the program...another thing i am not experienced with |
| 22:09.05 | Epix | yea |
| 22:09.07 | Epix | its a P2 |
| 22:09.11 | Epix | 686? |
| 22:09.12 | Starfury^ | looked on web but cant see it |
| 22:09.22 | Dharma | is there an online doc for these issues? |
| 22:09.23 | npx | Epix, Hmm, I think 686 - can anyone verify 686 is the right kernel img for a P2? |
| 22:09.33 | timo | Dharma, yeah, but xdp doesn't seem to support the -geometry switch |
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| 22:09.40 | Epix | npx: what does the *86 mean? |
| 22:09.49 | petemc | cg0def:it was th best choice at the time, and still is imho, tho whether everyone needs a full blown mta is questionable |
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| 22:10.02 | npx | Epix, it refers to the architecture the kernel was compiled for. |
| 22:10.04 | cg0def | yes 686 is correct for p2 |
| 22:10.05 | timo | Dharma, most X applications do, though |
| 22:10.10 | Dharma | i just can't figure out why is *always* places it in the same place...but half way off the screen |
| 22:10.33 | Epix | npx: yes.. but what does the * in *86 mean? |
| 22:10.39 | Dharma | everything else looks fine...just that one app |
| 22:10.50 | cg0def | petemc: I was asking because debian is one of the few distros that uses it as deault, just for information |
| 22:10.51 | npx | Epix, It means what advanced functions that particular processor supports |
| 22:10.53 | Starfury^ | i am getting a load errors on bootup but it goes past too fast for me to note them down can i get a log of my bootup? |
| 22:11.09 | npx | Epix, I think 586 was teh introduction of MMX? |
| 22:11.09 | stew | Starfury^: dmesg | less |
| 22:11.27 | npx | and 686 was the processor line that introduced SSE? I'm not entirely sure |
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| 22:12.01 | JYL57 | greycat : Ok, installed java-package and created my .deb and installed it ! Thanks !! |
| 22:12.08 | Starfury^ | thanks |
| 22:12.10 | Starfury^ | ;) |
| 22:12.11 | cg0def | npx: you are right about 586 and 686 |
| 22:12.31 | npx | neat |
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| 22:12.43 | Starfury^ | but its the errors that were comign up arent shown on that stew |
| 22:12.56 | cg0def | isn't blackdown jdk open source? |
| 22:13.07 | npx | cg0def, blackdown is just a rebuild of sun's official sources |
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| 22:13.15 | cg0def | oh |
| 22:13.16 | stew | Starfury^: there is /var/log/kern.log as well, or shift-pageup |
| 22:13.20 | Starfury^ | k |
| 22:13.20 | Epix | i want a VERY cheap computer thats more then a P2 250mhzz.. how cheap can i get em? |
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| 22:13.25 | npx | cg0def, it's faster in my experience |
| 22:13.30 | cg0def | yeah I know |
| 22:13.31 | npx | Epix, I can get P2's for free all day long |
| 22:13.31 | stew | cg0def: no its not opensource |
| 22:13.43 | Epix | npx: how?! |
| 22:13.48 | ik | how can i install x-window in ppc? =/ |
| 22:13.54 | npx | Epix, People are literally throing them to the curb daily in cities |
| 22:13.56 | cg0def | but for some reason I had the impression that blackdown was OSS and sun's jdk wasn't :( |
| 22:14.00 | stew | ik: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 22:14.09 | ik | ok =) |
| 22:14.14 | cg0def | stupid gentoo ;) |
| 22:14.20 | ik | with that will work gnome? |
| 22:14.25 | npx | cg0def, Neither of them are really Free software, that's why neither is included in Debian per default. |
| 22:14.32 | brisling | hi i have tried to find some php5 packard, but apt-cache dont hold any.. what have i done wrong. my system is running testing stage |
| 22:14.32 | stew | ik: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:14.38 | Epix | npx: what city? |
| 22:14.40 | Starfury^ | stew: ok seems that kern.log isnt recording it all |
| 22:14.41 | npx | But I do think Blackdown's redistribution terms are a bit looser |
| 22:14.47 | npx | Epix, every one I've lived in! |
| 22:14.49 | cg0def | npx: yeah I know why java is not in debian |
| 22:14.49 | stew | brisling: php5 is not in debian yet |
| 22:14.57 | Epix | npx: and what ones are those |
| 22:15.02 | stew | brisling: it probably wont be until after sarge releases |
| 22:15.08 | npx | Epix, Chicago, Memphis, Atlanta, etc |
| 22:15.13 | ik | i type apt-get install gnome, its that rong? =/ |
| 22:15.16 | asuffield | npx: no. the redistribution terms are "don't" |
| 22:15.25 | npx | I stand corrected, then |
| 22:15.54 | npx | Epix, yard sales, shit, yuo can buy crates of P2s on ebay for really cheap occasionally |
| 22:16.08 | Epix | npx: and p3s? |
| 22:16.10 | npx | What do you want them for? they're pretty useless imo (more trouble than they're worth) |
| 22:16.27 | stew | useless? hardly |
| 22:16.36 | npx | yeah, yeah, firewall |
| 22:16.36 | Epix | npx: i might be gettin a new P4 2.6 ghz |
| 22:16.59 | Epix | npx: i sadly run a shitty server on one :( |
| 22:16.59 | stew | npx: i have more p2's and lower being used in my house than > p2s |
| 22:16.59 | npx | but when it breaks, and it will, I'd rather just go to best buy and buy a hardware router, plug it in, and go |
| 22:17.17 | travisat | whats better in php5 anyway? |
| 22:17.17 | stew | npx: my hardware router is 586 |
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| 22:17.29 | npx | stew, what do you use the p2s for, then? |
| 22:17.42 | stew | desktop, fileserver, web/dns server |
| 22:17.53 | npx | I can't go back to a p2 desktop, just won't happen |
| 22:18.04 | stew | npx: my desktop is a dual p2 trashpick |
| 22:18.11 | travisat | fvwm runs great on my moms p2 |
| 22:18.32 | npx | Yeah, I like to game though. And do so while I run a few OS' in vmware. |
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| 22:19.10 | travisat | gaming is good on it too if you like old games, its got a tnt2 |
| 22:19.13 | Epix | is vmware free? |
| 22:19.21 | travisat | Epix: define free. |
| 22:19.32 | Epix | travisat: i can legally dl it and use it |
| 22:19.33 | caphuso | Epix: no |
| 22:19.37 | npx | Well, you can keep using trial licenses forever |
| 22:19.41 | npx | and it's pretty much free! |
| 22:19.51 | caphuso | and pretty much not legal |
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| 22:20.00 | petemc | qemu works very well |
| 22:20.01 | npx | I bought a license after a few months of doing that, for the record =P |
| 22:20.02 | cg0def | npx: don't you have to reinstall it though? |
| 22:20.09 | npx | cg0def, no, just put in the new key |
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| 22:20.22 | travisat | for the record I don't use vmware, have never used vmware, and never plan to use vmware |
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| 22:20.55 | npx | Well, if you want to do emulation on a workstation painlessly, it is the best there is right now. |
| 22:20.56 | WillySilly | ok, using the suse src rpms with alien doesnt work when installing 3.4RC1 |
| 22:21.13 | omry_ | qemu is really fast enough? |
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| 22:21.27 | Epix | lets hope this box boots into 2.6... its first up in the grub config file, does that make it default? |
| 22:21.27 | petemc | npx: in what way is it better than qemu? |
| 22:21.29 | cg0def | WillySilly: that's because suse has a different fs structure |
| 22:21.39 | WillySilly | yeah |
| 22:21.48 | cg0def | WillySilly: they move things arround a lot |
| 22:21.50 | WillySilly | i just am to lazy to do konstruct |
| 22:21.54 | npx | petemc, I don't have to build any kernel modules to use it at full speed? |
| 22:22.14 | petemc | npx: and what kernel modules do you need to build for qemu? |
| 22:22.28 | npx | petemc, the 'accelerator' module, to make it perform in the same league as vmware. |
| 22:22.37 | cg0def | WillySilly: isn't there an official KDE installer for rc1? |
| 22:22.43 | ribnitz | why is gpg so resource hungry? |
| 22:22.59 | Epix | it damn well better... |
| 22:22.59 | WillySilly | yeah, konstruct |
| 22:23.05 | WillySilly | but it takes a long time |
| 22:23.08 | Epix | yea. remotereboot sucks |
| 22:23.12 | caphuso | just select the correct locale(s) in "dpkg-reconfigure locales", and maybe adjust your fonts accordingly |
| 22:23.18 | cg0def | ribnitz: because encryption/decryption always takes a long time |
| 22:23.20 | travisat | whats in 3.4rc1 that makes it better than normal kde? |
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| 22:23.44 | npx | travisat, preliminary accelerated eyecandy support. |
| 22:23.46 | DeaLER34 | can someone do me a huge favor and compile an adaptec 2410 module for me? |
| 22:23.48 | Epix | good bye cruel SSH |
| 22:24.06 | Epix | i type sudo reboot and nothing happens except i get the warning |
| 22:24.10 | Epix | so i type it again |
| 22:24.12 | travisat | npx: oh I am using ion right now, so I guess eye-candy isn't an issue for me. |
| 22:24.14 | Epix | and voila :P |
| 22:24.28 | npx | travisat, It'll be much better if you wait for KDE4 to try it, anyways |
| 22:24.30 | petemc | npx: fair enough, i hadnt even heard of that - it looks interesting tho |
| 22:24.34 | WillySilly | i guess its konstruct for me :( |
| 22:24.36 | ribnitz | cg0def: importing 110 keys took a long time |
| 22:24.45 | npx | petemc *nods* qemu is coming along really well |
| 22:25.03 | dondelelcaro | Epix: you realize it takes a bit of time for sshd to be killed off? |
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| 22:25.07 | cg0def | ribnitz: well that's 110 keys so it probably did |
| 22:25.12 | ribnitz | cg0def: and encryption/decryption should be reasonably fast with the correct key(s) |
| 22:25.35 | travisat | am I detecting hoodlumry |
| 22:25.50 | Epix | dondelelcaro: no, and plus this box rarely reboots cleanly |
| 22:25.52 | cg0def | ribnitz: yeah but the initial key creation takes quite some time |
| 22:26.04 | npx | petemc, I've been using colinux.com with sp2 for a while; it'd be cool if reactos did something similiar with windows in linux |
| 22:26.06 | npx | life would be good. |
| 22:26.12 | Epix | woot... BEEEEEEP beep beep beep... :) |
| 22:26.26 | Epix | video error... as in no monitor connected |
| 22:26.56 | petemc | npx: hows colinux run? |
| 22:27.01 | DeaLER34 | Can someone compile the adaptec raid card module for me? |
| 22:27.05 | DeaLER34 | please |
| 22:27.19 | npx | petemc, pretty well. disk access isn't what it should be, but in the past couple releases it's improved drastically. |
| 22:27.24 | cg0def | probably no the right place to ask but does anyone know of a usb tv tuner that works well under linux? |
| 22:27.26 | npx | petemc, cpu intensive stuff feels native. |
| 22:27.40 | submanifold | I have a problem: when I do "dpkg -l gaim*" I see the packages I want to install, but they are nowhere to be found in dselect |
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| 22:28.12 | cg0def | submanifold: apt-get update |
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| 22:28.30 | submanifold | ok thanks |
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| 22:29.10 | Epix | Linux TheBox 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:58:38 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:29.10 | Epix | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.16 | valdyn | DeaLER34: do it yourself |
| 22:29.17 | npx | congrats |
| 22:29.31 | Epix | npx: and in the end all i had to do was the apt-get |
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| 22:29.43 | DeaLER34 | Im trying to install debian and I need to load the card driver for it to see my raid setup |
| 22:29.44 | Epix | npx: it configed the grub itsself |
| 22:29.51 | npx | wow, no shit? that's nice. |
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| 22:30.18 | petemc | DeaLER34: are you using the woody installer? if so, try sarge |
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| 22:31.40 | petemc | npx: know any emulator that has usb support? |
| 22:31.47 | npx | petemc, vmware does |
| 22:31.53 | petemc | ohh |
| 22:31.54 | npx | petemc, in the OSS world, I don't know |
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| 22:32.30 | cg0def | npx: shouldn't wine have some support for usb? |
| 22:32.32 | holycow | hey all |
| 22:32.51 | Epix | i want a cuecat... |
| 22:32.52 | npx | cg0def, it probably should, but to my knowledge it doesn't; you might look into ndiswrapper |
| 22:33.19 | holycow | what does udev now do to modems? i have an internal hardware modem and lspci shows it has irq of 185, but none of the ttysX dev points seem to work? |
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| 22:33.37 | travisat | wine works with my usb mouse |
| 22:33.49 | holycow | how do i detect on which dev point a modem is sitting? |
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| 22:36.18 | petemc | travisat: i dont think wine is talking directly to your mouse, as the name says, its no an emulator |
| 22:36.24 | petemc | not |
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| 22:36.37 | Jacco | Hi. |
| 22:36.39 | Jacco | I am in pain. |
| 22:36.44 | Jacco | Psychological pain. |
| 22:36.50 | Jacco | Apt-get is messing with my mind! |
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| 22:37.14 | Jacco | o_() |
| 22:37.15 | Dr_Freud | Vat.. is your pahblem? |
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| 22:37.23 | Jacco | Well, it keeps failing |
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| 22:37.26 | lizsac | eye yeam NUtAZ!!! |
| 22:37.27 | Dr_Freud | Ja? |
| 22:37.32 | Jacco | See, I'm trying to install rpm. |
| 22:37.37 | Jacco | and it won't fetch perl. |
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| 22:37.45 | Jacco | when I try to proceed (using synaptic) |
| 22:37.49 | Jacco | the button won't let me click it! |
| 22:37.52 | DeaLER34 | sarge installer eh |
| 22:37.56 | Jacco | sarge? |
| 22:38.01 | Dr_Freud | Haf you tried downloading perl first? |
| 22:38.07 | Jacco | I tried that |
| 22:38.14 | Dr_Freud | undt haf you apt-get update'd? |
| 22:38.15 | Jacco | it wouldn't let me install it. :( |
| 22:38.18 | Jacco | yes. |
| 22:38.29 | Dr_Freud | hm |
| 22:38.37 | doneill | ...I have no internet access at home! |
| 22:38.40 | Dr_Freud | cheange sources? |
| 22:38.41 | doneill | And I'm a programmer :D |
| 22:38.44 | Jacco | o_O |
| 22:38.46 | Jacco | how? |
| 22:38.50 | Jacco | do I change sources? |
| 22:38.55 | doneill | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:38.56 | Dr_Freud | doneill: suckin fuxx0rs |
| 22:39.06 | Dr_Freud | Jacco: if you can, get apt-spy |
| 22:39.07 | Jacco | todo what? |
| 22:39.16 | Dr_Freud | 'apt-get install apt-spy' |
| 22:39.19 | doneill | meh, my neighbour got hip to their bandwidth router pushing mad packets. |
| 22:39.22 | doneill | err |
| 22:39.23 | petemc | Jacco: run apt-setup |
| 22:39.27 | doneill | ...wifi router pushing... |
| 22:39.35 | Dr_Freud | doneill: hahaha, w00t stealing WiFi |
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| 22:39.46 | doneill | well, it went great for like 2 weeks |
| 22:39.52 | doneill | i'm waiting on the cable company ;/ |
| 22:39.55 | calin | FUCK. WTF @ nickserv |
| 22:40.00 | doneill | i have all the damn gear anyway. |
| 22:40.07 | uraclea_laptop | stealling wifi i great! |
| 22:40.13 | calin | yeah |
| 22:40.18 | doneill | i wasn't stealing anything dammit |
| 22:40.25 | doneill | those signals entire MY home, they're my property. |
| 22:40.34 | uraclea_laptop | I dont even need wifi , all my neighbors have it |
| 22:40.35 | doneill | i'm not going out with a brain tumor for nothing |
| 22:40.37 | calin | I wish I could get WiFi set up with my compy |
| 22:40.43 | Jacco | lol. |
| 22:40.45 | calin | I have a USB linksys WiFi adapter |
| 22:40.50 | doneill | heh |
| 22:40.55 | calin | and for the life of me I don't know how to do it |
| 22:41.01 | doneill | i have 2 WRT54GS routers and an Intersil POS PCI card |
| 22:41.14 | calin | much less at the moment, having a bit of alcohol in me |
| 22:41.17 | doneill | prism54 or ndiswrapper i bet |
| 22:41.47 | holycow | anyone know how to detect a modem on sarge? |
| 22:41.58 | doneill | lspci |
| 22:42.08 | doneill | there's none of this detecting |
| 22:42.09 | valentinos | i use sitecom as an access point with code taken from kernel iligaly :0 |
| 22:42.19 | doneill | ooh, code theft. |
| 22:42.22 | DeaLER34 | debian is going downhill |
| 22:42.42 | doneill | what goes up... |
| 22:42.42 | calin | DeaLER34: eh? |
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| 22:43.08 | DeaLER34 | last time i used it there was tonnes of support |
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| 22:43.37 | DeaLER34 | I can't find any extra kernel images that they used to have |
| 22:43.43 | petemc | DeaLER34: you didnt answer my question |
| 22:44.05 | valentinos | i try all of them mdk fc rh suse iven gentoo debian is on top :) i must admit |
| 22:44.13 | DeaLER34 | what did you ask me i was in the washroom |
| 22:44.29 | petemc | DeaLER34: /lastlog DeaLER34 |
| 22:44.40 | Jacco | How long does apt-spy take? |
| 22:44.45 | valentinos | for my level* |
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| 22:44.57 | DeaLER34 | adaptec has the rpm for redhat and whatever for suse |
| 22:45.15 | DeaLER34 | i downloaded the source and i can't compile |
| 22:45.19 | petemc | DeaLER34: im curious, if you werent paying attention, how could you be complaining about the lack of support |
| 22:45.37 | DeaLER34 | on the ftp.debian.org |
| 22:45.37 | uraclea_laptop | debian is best distro, if you envy gentoo read this http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 22:45.54 | Jacco | I'm using DSL right now. |
| 22:45.55 | Jacco | lol. |
| 22:45.59 | petemc | DeaLER34: and btw, pleading for someone to compile a kernel module for you is wrong on so many levels |
| 22:46.07 | Jacco | I should install deb, but I needed a fast build. |
| 22:46.26 | DeaLER34 | how come |
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| 22:46.55 | dupondje | damn, i upgraded my linux pc to sarge |
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| 22:47.04 | dupondje | and now i get error when i try to mount remote nfs :s |
| 22:47.10 | DeaLER34 | see thats what i don't understand the internet.. when i was kid i used to packet flood and crap.. being away from the chatlines i forgot how anal people are.. but then security is a big issue as well |
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| 22:47.14 | dupondje | channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused |
| 22:47.14 | dupondje | mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection reset by peer |
| 22:47.17 | DeaLER34 | about the internet sorry |
| 22:47.45 | DeaLER34 | i'd compile something for someone if they needed it |
| 22:47.48 | Jacco | can I kill apt-spy and it will save the results? |
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| 22:48.16 | vonguard | anyone a cups expert? |
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| 22:49.09 | vonguard | poop |
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| 22:49.47 | DeaLER34 | does knoppix have make and gcc? |
| 22:50.01 | stew | DeaLER34: are you installing a machine that will be a desktop or a server? |
| 22:50.34 | Jacco | how do I change the mirror apt-get uses? |
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| 22:51.03 | shmike | Jacco:edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:51.20 | d03boy | apt-setup is a good way too |
| 22:51.21 | Jacco | thankz. |
| 22:51.22 | Mefdahl | Jacco, apt-setup werks too |
| 22:51.25 | Jacco | I did apt-setup |
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| 22:52.19 | Mefdahl | Amazes me that there is 780 folks here and its not just crazy. |
| 22:52.21 | DeaLER34 | Im installing on a server |
| 22:52.35 | shmike | Jacco:you need root access to change the mirror |
| 22:53.00 | DeaLER34 | does the base linux boot cd have rpm support? |
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| 22:53.40 | Jacco | oh got. |
| 22:53.42 | Jacco | *god |
| 22:53.53 | Jacco | I think alien just deleted all of my system files. |
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| 22:53.54 | shmike | DEaler34: nope |
| 22:54.02 | stew | DeaLER34: do you have a livecd that can boot and detect your card? |
| 22:54.07 | Jacco | It's removing everything. |
| 22:54.15 | DeaLER34 | i download knoppix last night |
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| 22:54.22 | Jacco | wtf??! |
| 22:54.37 | Jacco | It killed my whole fucking system! |
| 22:54.39 | stew | DeaLER34: does knoppix see your card correctly? |
| 22:54.50 | DeaLER34 | i'll have to check |
| 22:54.51 | petemc | Jacco: stop being an idiot |
| 22:55.02 | DeaLER34 | i figured the 2410 would be a popular card |
| 22:55.02 | Jacco | aarg, fine. |
| 22:55.23 | stew | DeaLER34: if so, you can do a chroot install /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 22:55.28 | shmike | reinstall lol |
| 22:55.37 | stew | DeaLER34: and you are sure the bf24 doesn't support it? |
| 22:56.10 | stew | Jacco: why are you using alien? |
| 22:56.23 | Jacco | stew: I was installing it. |
| 22:56.25 | DeaLER34 | pretty sure |
| 22:56.28 | Jacco | And it removed all my stuff. |
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| 22:56.39 | Epix | windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. |
| 22:56.42 | Jacco | gcc, ppoe, dsl-base, etc. |
| 22:56.45 | Epix | GRR |
| 22:56.47 | stew | DeaLER34: another option is /msg dpkg unsupported raid installs |
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| 22:57.04 | Jacco | the X terminals, my games, everything! |
| 22:57.11 | shmike | lol Epix |
| 22:57.11 | stew | Jacco: apt-get did? |
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| 22:57.15 | Jacco | even the fonts |
| 22:57.17 | Jacco | yea, apt-get did. |
| 22:57.26 | stew | Jacco: did you attempt to switch distributions or something? |
| 22:57.30 | Jacco | no. |
| 22:57.36 | stew | Jacco: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 22:57.38 | Jacco | i simply clicked the install button. |
| 22:57.42 | Jacco | I'm using DSL. |
| 22:57.43 | stew | Jacco: what button? |
| 22:57.50 | Jacco | I simply clicked the install button on synaptic. |
| 22:57.51 | stew | Jacco: adsl? |
| 22:57.53 | ludi | I need 'gtk+-2.0' to compile something. what package has this, or how do I find this out? |
| 22:57.53 | Jacco | for alien. |
| 22:57.56 | Jacco | Damn Small Linux |
| 22:58.05 | Jacco | And it started deleting everything. |
| 22:58.07 | stew | Jacco: wrong channel, you want #damnsmalllinux |
| 22:58.19 | Jacco | yea, but the problem is apt-get related. |
| 22:58.23 | petemc | its trivial to build your own kernel for woody boot floppies |
| 22:58.26 | stew | Jacco: but not debian related |
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| 22:59.05 | Jacco | but apt-get is debian related. :( |
| 22:59.16 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 22:59.17 | dpkg | Yes, jetscreamer, you're still online. |
| 22:59.32 | stew | !knoppixsmite Jacco |
| 22:59.37 | DeaLER34 | what does fakeroot do |
| 22:59.40 | DeaLER34 | !dpkg fakeroot |
| 22:59.40 | dpkg | i heard fakeroot is a program that provides fake root environment, or a glorious hack that enables you to be root without actually being root. Usefull for creating tarballs with setuid 0 files in them. |
| 22:59.49 | jetscreamer | there is no fakeroot |
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| 23:00.02 | jetscreamer | what does fakeroot do... jesus |
| 23:00.21 | npx | jetscreamer, it does what it says: makes a fake root |
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| 23:00.38 | DeaLER34 | to me there is no such thing |
| 23:00.49 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 23:00.55 | npx | haha |
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| 23:01.00 | npx | *rolls to disbelieve the fakeroot* |
| 23:01.10 | marcin | hello |
| 23:01.34 | DeaLER34 | bf24 is a command line option in the kernel? |
| 23:01.36 | marcin | I got a problem with ppp connection (usb modem and gprs connection) |
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| 23:01.49 | stew | DeaLER34: its a 2.4 install kernel for woody |
| 23:01.51 | marcin | I cannot establish this connection on system boot |
| 23:01.51 | jetscreamer | no it's a kernel version DeaLER34 an install kernel |
| 23:02.00 | jetscreamer | and you should upgrade |
| 23:02.05 | stew | !bf24 |
| 23:02.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, bf2.4 is boot floppies with a 2.4.x kernel. Read the install guide (ask me about "install guide"). Press F3 when the woody CD is at the boot: prompt for a list of images. |
| 23:02.08 | marcin | while I can with pon or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 23:02.08 | jetscreamer | DeaLER34, is this a server you have? |
| 23:02.15 | marcin | could someone help me? |
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| 23:02.20 | daww | When I run kernel 2.6.10 (that I'd just compiled) I get "Kernel panic - not syncing: VSF: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)", /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/kernel-img.conf is correct, what could it be? |
| 23:02.27 | marcin | my problem is probably related with this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23127786 |
| 23:02.32 | DeaLER34 | yeah im gonna double check |
| 23:02.45 | marcin | and there is a kind of solution but I don't know how to implement this solution |
| 23:02.47 | stew | daww: you didn't include support for your disk controller or your filesystem |
| 23:02.48 | jetscreamer | daww, the common mistake is lack of proper initrd configuration |
| 23:03.04 | stew | daww: you need to compile in everything you need to mount the root fs (not as modules) |
| 23:03.15 | jetscreamer | if you don't use initrd |
| 23:03.27 | dpy | does anyone know how to turn off flood protection in ircd ? |
| 23:03.30 | ludi | I need 'gtk+-2.0' to compile something. what package has this, or how do I find this out? |
| 23:03.45 | daww | jetscreamer, be more specific and I may fix it |
| 23:03.47 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search <searchterm? |
| 23:04.06 | jetscreamer | daww, how much more specific do i need to be? |
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| 23:04.46 | jetscreamer | daww, did you do the initrd thing when you compiled? |
| 23:05.00 | daww | jetscreamer, all other bootoptions have "initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686-smp" etc 2.6.10 don't have a intrd file as rest of the kernels |
| 23:05.07 | jetscreamer | does your boot loader reflect your use or non-use of initrd? |
| 23:05.34 | jetscreamer | if not then you need to compile it in like he said |
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| 23:05.41 | jetscreamer | or make an initrd.img |
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| 23:05.58 | doneill | well... i've never found initrds useful.. |
| 23:06.03 | jetscreamer | me neither |
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| 23:06.19 | jetscreamer | it's for multiple box support with one kernel version |
| 23:06.39 | ludi | checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 23:06.45 | doneill | yeah, not my style. |
| 23:06.51 | ludi | how do I get the above on my system so I can compile this software? |
| 23:07.01 | daww | jetscreamer, I'd followed http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm all the way |
| 23:07.02 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search <searchterm> ludi |
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| 23:07.10 | stew | ludi: what are you trying to compile? |
| 23:07.26 | ludi | clearlooks-engine |
| 23:07.35 | ludi | it's supposedly the new theme that will come with gnome 2.12 |
| 23:07.47 | jetscreamer | you used make-kpkg? did you pass it --initrd |
| 23:07.47 | seeker | I just rebooted the box in the corner of my room for the first time in a month or two and now the ndiswrapper module is failing to load... any ideas? |
| 23:08.03 | seeker | hardly any informative error messages - only "operation not permitted" |
| 23:08.16 | seeker | this is when i modprobe ndiswrapper, and yes i am trying as root |
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| 23:08.26 | daww | jetscreamer, How do I do the initrd when I compile? |
| 23:08.39 | stew | daww: pass the --initrd open to make-kpkg |
| 23:08.41 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --initrd |
| 23:09.03 | stew | daww: as long as you are using debians kernel-source and not kernel.org sources |
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| 23:09.10 | jetscreamer | or just compiling the stuff in, redo make menuconfig |
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| 23:09.36 | Starfury^ | lo rayne |
| 23:09.39 | Rayne | lo |
| 23:09.43 | jetscreamer | s/compiling/compile/ |
| 23:09.44 | Starfury^ | these nice people in here are VERY helpful |
| 23:09.47 | ludi | maybe I just need the gtk2 development libraries? |
| 23:09.48 | daww | stew, right, I am using kernel-source, I have just done "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" |
| 23:09.50 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 23:09.50 | Starfury^ | ask stew or greycat |
| 23:09.53 | Starfury^ | they the clever ones |
| 23:09.54 | Starfury^ | :) |
| 23:10.02 | Starfury^ | that i seen so far |
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| 23:10.14 | daww | stew, after I did xconfig |
| 23:10.36 | jetscreamer | you either need to add --initrd or make sure the stuff you need is y, compiled in, *, whatever.. checked... |
| 23:10.54 | stew | daww ^^^ |
| 23:11.00 | stew | daww: did you start from a working config? |
| 23:11.05 | Starfury^ | Rayne: whats the error you are getting on boot after upgrading from 2.4.1 to 2.6.10 |
| 23:11.05 | stew | daww: or start the config from scratch |
| 23:11.18 | ludi | what packages do I need to compile gtk2 applications? |
| 23:11.18 | jetscreamer | uname -r is automagically used |
| 23:11.18 | daww | stew, yup |
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| 23:11.29 | daww | stew, make xconfig |
| 23:11.35 | yaarg | anyone know what debian package has the pgdb python module? |
| 23:11.45 | stew | daww: did you start from a working config or start the config from scratch? |
| 23:11.46 | jetscreamer | ludi, apt-cache search gtk2 |grep dev maybe |
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| 23:12.24 | jetscreamer | yarg, s/dev/pgdb/ |
| 23:12.40 | Rayne | yea? |
| 23:12.47 | yaarg | jetscreamer: i've tried that |
| 23:12.52 | jetscreamer | o |
| 23:12.54 | daww | stew, I started the config from scratch "tar zxf kernel-source..." then "make xconfig" |
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| 23:13.11 | jetscreamer | zxf? |
| 23:13.18 | dupondje | i updated to sarge |
| 23:13.22 | dupondje | but now i have a problem |
| 23:13.23 | jetscreamer | is j magic? |
| 23:13.27 | stew | daww: then you better recheck your config for your ide/scsi controller and your filesystem (ext3?) |
| 23:13.31 | dupondje | it doesn't start raid devices @ boot |
| 23:13.36 | dupondje | how can i fix that ? |
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| 23:14.09 | Starfury^ | Rayne: whats the error you are getting on boot after upgrading from 2.4.1 to 2.6.10 |
| 23:14.12 | stew | daww: what made you decide to compile your own kernel in the first place? |
| 23:14.21 | daww | jetscreamer, zxf yes |
| 23:14.29 | Rayne | i havent managed to install the new kernel |
| 23:14.34 | stew | daww: if it was a debian kernel that would jave been jxf |
| 23:14.34 | daww | tar zxf |
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| 23:14.46 | Starfury^ | oh |
| 23:14.52 | Starfury^ | so its still using 2.4.1? |
| 23:14.56 | Rayne | yea |
| 23:14.56 | travisat | j = bzip2 file extraction for tar |
| 23:14.57 | Starfury^ | whats the error then |
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| 23:15.05 | Rayne | it starts the xserver |
| 23:15.18 | Rayne | and just hangs after hardware detection |
| 23:15.25 | jetscreamer | i use tar xvjf |
| 23:15.33 | Starfury^ | so its xserver thats the prob |
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| 23:15.45 | Starfury^ | ok that will likely be the XFree86Config |
| 23:15.54 | daww | stew, "tar zxf kernel-image-2.6.10.tar.gz" |
| 23:16.25 | daww | stew, "tar zxf linux-2.6.10.tar.gz" dammit |
| 23:16.36 | stew | daww: thats not debian kernel source |
| 23:16.36 | stego | What's the limit of the number of arguments in bash? |
| 23:16.39 | pack | is there a way to set mailmans gid at runtime? seems like a silly oversite by the deb maintainers |
| 23:16.39 | Starfury^ | dpkg --reconfigure xfree86 to reconfigure the xserver? |
| 23:16.48 | stew | daww: so you cannot use --initrd unless you apply the cramfs patch |
| 23:16.55 | stew | jetscreamer: good catch |
| 23:17.01 | jetscreamer | daww, it doesn't matter, the kernel.org works just fine, but apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 23:17.04 | Rayne | havent tried that Starfury^ |
| 23:17.13 | stew | daww: it does matter for --initrd |
| 23:17.14 | Starfury^ | i dont know the command |
| 23:17.18 | Starfury^ | i am checking with this lot |
| 23:17.30 | jetscreamer | stew, the cramfs patches are in upstream kernel source i heard |
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| 23:17.40 | stew | !drxx Starfury^ |
| 23:17.42 | dpkg | Starfury^: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 23:17.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg-recon... ^^^ that |
| 23:18.02 | stew | jetscreamer: oh really? like it was re added since 2.6.8? |
| 23:18.20 | seeker | i rebooted a computer for the first time in a long while and now the ndiswrapper module (v0.11) won't load (it did before - it was always working). I'm running kernel 2.6.8. Any idea what could have caused this, e.g. could an upgraded package have screwed things up? If so, any idea which? |
| 23:18.24 | jetscreamer | stew, oh really? like it was taken out with 2.6.8? |
| 23:18.30 | daww | hmmm, "apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6.10" didn't found anything |
| 23:18.31 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 23:18.34 | jetscreamer | news to me |
| 23:18.46 | Starfury^ | ta stew |
| 23:18.48 | jetscreamer | daww, if it's sarge it's 2.6.8 |
| 23:18.48 | Starfury^ | rayne |
| 23:18.52 | Rayne | yea |
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| 23:18.54 | Starfury^ | you get that mate? |
| 23:19.02 | Rayne | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:19.07 | Starfury^ | yeah as root user |
| 23:19.16 | Rayne | on console? |
| 23:19.30 | daww | jetscreamer, ok =), is there no way to install the 2.6.10 on sarge via apt-get then? |
| 23:19.33 | Starfury^ | yeah |
| 23:19.40 | d03boy | you can donwload the source cant you? |
| 23:19.40 | Starfury^ | thats all ya got lol |
| 23:19.47 | Rayne | yea |
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| 23:19.52 | Rayne | lemme write it down |
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| 23:20.10 | Starfury^ | youe cant remmy tghat? |
| 23:20.16 | alansp | Hi guys! |
| 23:20.16 | Drevay | hello |
| 23:20.21 | kingsley_ | How can one tell how many bits X is using for each pixel? It's often a number like 16 or 24. |
| 23:20.34 | Drevay | i'm getting the latest (rc2) net install cd image for sarge |
| 23:20.35 | d03boy | color depth? |
| 23:20.37 | Starfury^ | rayne there is a log somewhere that should tell you what errored |
| 23:20.37 | Drevay | i'm just curious |
| 23:20.38 | alansp | I'm quite new to Debian, want to help me change the ip address? |
| 23:20.52 | jetscreamer | daww, packages.debian.org if you need |
| 23:20.52 | RupertSw | kingsley_, xdpyinfo? |
| 23:20.54 | Rayne | ok rebooting |
| 23:20.56 | Drevay | if i put my xp drive on slave, and my linux drive on master, will it detect this and set up GRUB for me? |
| 23:21.00 | kingsley_ | d03boy: Yes, I'm looking for a way to see the color depth. |
| 23:21.03 | ik | is posible to use gnome and xfce in same debian instalation? |
| 23:21.04 | d03boy | alansp, ipconfig eth0 192.168.1.5 |
| 23:21.10 | Starfury^ | why oh why does he constantly reboot |
| 23:21.12 | jetscreamer | daww, might not work w/o other packages, check depends |
| 23:21.12 | stazz_ | ik: yes |
| 23:21.20 | Drevay | any idea? |
| 23:21.21 | alansp | what about netmask and dns ? |
| 23:21.23 | d03boy | kingsley_, im not sure, but google could probably tell you |
| 23:21.26 | kingsley_ | RupertSw: I'm looking at it now, but it's quite verbose... |
| 23:21.35 | RupertSw | kingsley_, It comes up just after the line saying screen #0 |
| 23:21.38 | d03boy | alansp, you can add netmask at the end of that line if you want, not sure about dns... think you gotta edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:21.39 | Drevay | because i only know how to mess with LILO, i'm unsure about GRUB |
| 23:21.39 | ik | and how can i tell x to start with the one i like? |
| 23:21.52 | Drevay | and i'd like for debian just to detect what drives are where, and set it up accordingly |
| 23:21.59 | jetscreamer | Drevay, if/when you move the windows drive, you freak windows out unless you use the boot-as in lilo, or whatever the grub one is |
| 23:22.08 | kingsley_ | RupertSw: Ah! I see it. Thanks. |
| 23:22.10 | alansp | it's a brand new system, there's no eth0 yet |
| 23:22.13 | daww | jetscreamer, As long as it support SATA, bluetooth and other important stuff |
| 23:22.21 | Drevay | jetscreamer, i'm aware, that's what i was asking |
| 23:22.27 | seeker | alansp, type ifconfig and see what shows up |
| 23:22.33 | Drevay | about debian, that is |
| 23:22.34 | seeker | just 'ifconfig', nothing more |
| 23:22.34 | jetscreamer | i don't know how with grub |
| 23:22.38 | Drevay | hmm |
| 23:22.39 | alansp | only link encap local loopback |
| 23:22.49 | Drevay | jetscreamer, can you install LILO instead? |
| 23:22.51 | jetscreamer | daww, 2.6.8 does too |
| 23:22.53 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 23:22.54 | daww | jetscreamer, just want the latest, seems to be 2.6.8 for Sarge then |
| 23:22.56 | Drevay | hmm |
| 23:23.31 | Drevay | i only have a 20 gig for linux, and i want to be able to read files (ntfs) from my xp drive, since all my music is on there |
| 23:23.37 | Drevay | this won't be a huge problem, will it? |
| 23:23.39 | jetscreamer | read is easy |
| 23:23.41 | Drevay | (no writing, of course) |
| 23:23.41 | stew | jetscreamer: re: cramfs http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 23:23.43 | jetscreamer | write not |
| 23:23.43 | Drevay | good |
| 23:23.54 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 23:23.54 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
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| 23:24.31 | d03boy | you might need to add the ntfs filesystem module to th ekernel right? |
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| 23:24.47 | Drevay | hmm |
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| 23:25.16 | corpix | hi |
| 23:25.32 | corpix | i cant login via kdm anymore |
| 23:25.34 | corpix | AUDIT: Wed Mar 2 00:23:23 2005: 4153 X: client 2 rejected from local host |
| 23:25.34 | corpix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.36 | jetscreamer | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=149236 <--2002 |
| 23:25.37 | corpix | any ideas ? |
| 23:25.53 | Drevay | ok so |
| 23:26.21 | Drevay | will this be hard, i mean, to make it so that i my C drive is mounted on boot, and all that, so i can read files? |
| 23:26.27 | RupertSw | corpix, where does it give the error message? |
| 23:26.33 | corpix | /var/log/kdm |
| 23:26.36 | corpix | /var/log/kdm.log |
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| 23:26.48 | Drevay | hmm |
| 23:26.54 | RupertSw | corpix, and what actually happens? kdm restarts? |
| 23:27.00 | corpix | yep |
| 23:27.02 | jetscreamer | Drevay, that ro-factoid works |
| 23:27.03 | corpix | exactly |
| 23:27.12 | Drevay | ok |
| 23:27.19 | Drevay | so i'm gathering debian won't do it for me then, that's ok |
| 23:27.23 | Drevay | as long as it isn't too difficult |
| 23:27.23 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 23:27.45 | jetscreamer | actually, the woody installer does, i don't know why d-i suck like that |
| 23:27.53 | RupertSw | corpix, has it worked since you booted? |
| 23:27.54 | Drevay | hmm |
| 23:27.59 | jetscreamer | but d-i is better for desktop |
| 23:28.04 | d03boy | Drevay, you will need to edit /etc/fstab |
| 23:28.11 | jetscreamer | it's not difficult |
| 23:28.15 | Drevay | d03boy, ok |
| 23:28.18 | corpix | RupertSw: i just rebootet |
| 23:28.20 | d03boy | its quite simple... one line |
| 23:28.25 | jim | MobyTurbo, |
| 23:28.29 | Drevay | d03boy, and to trick windows into thinking it's master when it's slave in GRUB? any links? |
| 23:28.34 | Drevay | d03boy, sounds easy enough |
| 23:28.35 | brisling | how do remove a user? |
| 23:28.42 | jim | I got tired of the bot seeming to address me |
| 23:28.42 | jetscreamer | deluser, userdel |
| 23:28.45 | RupertSw | corpix, and haven't done anything nasty recently to it... |
| 23:28.47 | RupertSw | ! |
| 23:28.57 | corpix | RupertSw: no, really |
| 23:29.02 | brisling | thx |
| 23:29.35 | RupertSw | corpix, you could try logging into a VT and running startx to see whether it's X not working for your user or something else |
| 23:29.50 | daww | How can do I uninstall packages? |
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| 23:30.04 | corpix | RupertSw: VT? |
| 23:30.05 | Drevay | does sarge use X.Org or XFree? |
| 23:30.06 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove package, add --purge to taste |
| 23:30.10 | warty | hi |
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| 23:30.13 | travisat | Drevay: Xfree |
| 23:30.15 | warty | hi |
| 23:30.19 | jetscreamer | !tell Drevay about xorg |
| 23:30.24 | RupertSw | corpix, ctrl-alt-F1 gives you a login screen in a virtual terminal |
| 23:30.26 | warty | around spain |
| 23:30.27 | jim | daww: man dpkg |
| 23:30.27 | daww | jetscreamer, ok, good |
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| 23:30.31 | Drevay | ok |
| 23:30.34 | corpix | RupertSw: |
| 23:30.39 | corpix | userl@probe:/root$ startx |
| 23:30.39 | corpix | Using authority file /home/paul/.Xauthority |
| 23:30.39 | corpix | Writing authority file /home/paul/.Xauthority |
| 23:30.39 | corpix | Using authority file /home/paul/.Xauthority |
| 23:30.39 | corpix | Writing authority file /home/paul/.Xauthority |
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| 23:30.50 | siropel | dpkg -i python2.1_2.1.3-3.2_i386.deb and i get dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 23:30.51 | Drevay | was just curious, since the ATi drivers FINALLY fully support 3d acceleration (well, even) in Linux |
| 23:30.53 | corpix | sorry |
| 23:30.54 | warty | around spain? |
| 23:30.57 | mythsmith | does anyone succesfully tried debian on ibook or powerbook? |
| 23:31.06 | jetscreamer | many ppl i heard tell |
| 23:31.12 | RupertSw | corpix, and then what happens? |
| 23:31.18 | jetscreamer | !tell Drevay about ati |
| 23:31.22 | warty | im alone? |
| 23:31.23 | RupertSw | (other than getting kicked...) |
| 23:31.29 | warty | spanish? |
| 23:31.31 | Drevay | hm thanks |
| 23:31.32 | corpix | RupertSw: dunno, im via ssh, and tail -f the kdm log |
| 23:31.37 | warty | ... |
| 23:31.42 | corpix | RupertSw: but the X server doesnt start |
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| 23:32.02 | RupertSw | corpix, What? Are you actually at the computer? |
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| 23:32.31 | siropel | i did a dpkg -i python2.1_2.1.3-3.2_i386.deb and i get dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. .... what should i do ? |
| 23:32.39 | Starfury^ | is grub required for using 2.6? |
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| 23:32.49 | siropel | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 23:32.57 | corpix | RupertSw: no |
| 23:33.01 | seeker | i rebooted a computer for the first time in a long while and now the ndiswrapper module (v0.11) won't load (it did before - it was always working). I'm running kernel 2.6.8. Any idea what could have caused this, e.g. could an upgraded package have screwed things up? If so, any idea which? |
| 23:33.20 | corpix | RupertSw: i guess the main problem is: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 23:33.20 | corpix | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.39 | jetscreamer | Starfury^, no |
| 23:33.46 | RupertSw | corpix, OK then, I'm probably not going to be much help, sorry. The way you asked the question implied it worked before though? |
| 23:33.50 | zahod | is there an easy way to see which packages I've got installed that are depended on a package? |
| 23:33.58 | corpix | RupertSw: yes |
| 23:34.26 | corpix | RupertSw: i just tested it with a newuser , no luck |
| 23:34.40 | RupertSw | corpix, Is the computer doing anything else important or would a couple of 'init x' commands to restart all of X and stuff be a good idea? |
| 23:34.51 | jetscreamer | corpix, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 23:34.54 | Starfury^ | hmmmm struggling to find a netinst iso of sid |
| 23:35.04 | RupertSw | jetscreamer, That would work too! |
| 23:35.06 | marcin | ehh I'll try again - could someone help me with ppp connection? |
| 23:35.17 | jetscreamer | Starfury^, //www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:35.30 | jetscreamer | err add the http: |
| 23:35.41 | Nemesis__ | notepad |
| 23:35.46 | Starfury^ | thats only sarge |
| 23:36.13 | jetscreamer | Starfury^, man debconf priority.. |
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| 23:36.25 | zahod | for example if I'd like to see which packages are dependent on libgnome-keyring0 |
| 23:36.28 | jetscreamer | Starfury^, learn to use nano and ctrl+alt+f2 at the right time |
| 23:36.40 | Starfury^ | jetscreamer: i downloaded the netinst for sid straight off the debian site but i cant find it now |
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| 23:36.58 | jetscreamer | Starfury^, go through the sources.list configurator more than once, the second time choosing hand-written |
| 23:37.04 | cafuego | Lieferstatusbenachrichtigung |
| 23:37.11 | RupertSw | corpix, I think jetscreamer's probably right. Not sure what's broken, but it looks like some config file has changed and it's probably easier just to go back to the vanilla ones. |
| 23:37.21 | d03boy | that is areally long werd |
| 23:37.31 | RupertSw | corpix, After all, if they worked before they should now? |
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| 23:38.04 | travisat | antidisestablishmententarianism, hah thats longer |
| 23:38.11 | corpix | RupertSw, jetscreamer reconfiguring wont work, i even set allower_users to anybody in XWrapper |
| 23:38.22 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 23:38.24 | corpix | RupertSw: i just dist-upgraded |
| 23:38.25 | daft | after using aalib hwo can i get the console back to its old color |
| 23:38.29 | cafuego | travisat: Yes, but not german, and thus disqualified. |
| 23:38.33 | corpix | and remastered a bit |
| 23:38.35 | RupertSw | corpix, and? |
| 23:38.42 | jetscreamer | remastered? |
| 23:38.43 | corpix | RupertSw: no problems |
| 23:38.49 | DeaLER34 | are usb keydrives standard support now in linux? |
| 23:38.51 | RupertSw | cool! |
| 23:38.55 | corpix | yeah, just in a chroot |
| 23:39.00 | jetscreamer | mostly, DeaLER34 |
| 23:39.02 | corpix | but this should affect the system |
| 23:39.06 | corpix | not |
| 23:39.19 | RupertSw | corpix, Always glad to help, even if I don't... |
| 23:39.22 | Epix | how do i pop data onto a minidisk from linux (usb'ed minidisk player) |
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| 23:39.24 | DeaLER34 | what device driver does it use? |
| 23:39.40 | Epix | DeaLER34: no clue |
| 23:39.48 | jetscreamer | sdaX as fat usually |
| 23:39.51 | Starfury^ | jetscreamer: bu bu bu, i managed to dl a iso from debian.org of netinst sid/unstable |
| 23:39.53 | Starfury^ | :) |
| 23:39.57 | Starfury^ | but cant find it now |
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| 23:39.58 | jetscreamer | or vfat i dunno |
| 23:40.27 | toomboy | how do i get a module to automatically load upon boot? |
| 23:40.27 | jetscreamer | ok well there's full versions that i know of, not sure about net-insts, but it sounds familiar |
| 23:40.28 | Epix | woah |
| 23:40.29 | mythsmith | how many packages are distributed throw the official apt repositories? |
| 23:40.36 | jetscreamer | add it to /etc/modules |
| 23:40.45 | toomboy | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 23:40.56 | Epix | windows is fucking itsself so i need to reboot |
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| 23:41.08 | bobbyd | hi |
| 23:41.24 | jetscreamer | no comment |
| 23:41.25 | Nemesis__ | heh |
| 23:41.37 | Ronin | ya no challenge there epix |
| 23:42.15 | bobbyd | what do I need to do to mount NFS shares under debian? I have nfs-common and portmap and have done /etc/init.d/nfs-common start; /etc/init.d/portmap start |
| 23:42.18 | resiak | Starfury^: Do not use Sid. |
| 23:42.25 | dayer | hi, someone knows because when I compile a kernel 2.6 or use the image of last cd sarge, the keyborad not go? With kernel 2.4 I correct this problem if when the computen start I pulse many keys. |
| 23:42.29 | Starfury^ | resiak lol |
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| 23:42.39 | d03boy | I'm spartacus.... |
| 23:42.41 | bobbyd | I get this: "mount: 192.168.1.1:/media failed, reason given by server: Permission denied". but the share works from another machine. |
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| 23:43.06 | jetscreamer | no, i am sparticus |
| 23:43.09 | Starfury^ | ok anotehr question, do the netinst iso's make the cd bootable, or can i copy the files off this disk and someone else can just burn them onto a disk and it will boot off it? |
| 23:43.22 | jetscreamer | bobbyd, /etc/hosts.allow? |
| 23:43.23 | resiak | Starfury^: You must burn from the ISO. |
| 23:43.34 | Starfury^ | ok |
| 23:43.39 | Starfury^ | time to rip it then |
| 23:43.45 | jetscreamer | yes when you burn it bootable |
| 23:44.00 | jim | Starfury^: what he means is you might not enjoy parts of the experience... and help (like here forexample) is more scarce because problems in sid are usually not well known |
| 23:44.15 | cat | aumix: error opening mixer any ideas? why my sound card was working good before |
| 23:44.21 | bobbyd | jetscreamer: on the client? this has worked before from the server for this IP address |
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| 23:44.27 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 23:44.27 | dpkg | from memory, alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 23:44.44 | resiak | Starfury^: More to the point, we will point and laugh if you upgrade your Sid install, it breaks, and you can't fix it. Nothing personal, mind. |
| 23:44.46 | travisat | borkborkborkbork |
| 23:44.56 | jetscreamer | bobbyd, on both you need to do some things to those files, i believe, but i'm not up on it very much |
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| 23:45.14 | jetscreamer | bobbyd, the howto on tldp.org is all i know |
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| 23:46.25 | cafuego | Notable, if you assume you need to run Sid, we assume you can fix your own problems. |
| 23:47.03 | jim | and we also hope that you report problems you find |
| 23:47.22 | cafuego | We assume you know that and how to do that,a s well. |
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| 23:47.50 | Starfury^ | i have been running sid for 3 yrs |
| 23:48.09 | cafuego | Thehn you know how bugs.debian.org works, no? |
| 23:48.10 | toomboy | jetscreamer: what if my module i need loaded is a 3rd party one? i had to compile it myself since its for a highpoint 454 card, where would i place the hpt374.o file so /etc/modules knows where to look for it? /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/??? |
| 23:48.10 | Starfury^ | someone wanted to use sid straight off rather than upgrading |
| 23:48.20 | resiak | Starfury^: And if they have to ask how to do that, they shouldn't use it. |
| 23:48.34 | Starfury^ | and i have a cd i burned of sid netinst, but i cant find the iso |
| 23:48.36 | Starfury^ | thats all |
| 23:48.40 | jim | well... you were probably running something different every time you upgraded |
| 23:48.57 | jetscreamer | toomboy, you might need to add the appropriate line in modules.conf also, but that is on a need to know basis, and i don't need to know... |
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| 23:49.28 | jim | Starfury^: get a sarge netinst and upgrade |
| 23:49.38 | marcin | comeone guys anyone with ppp connection here? |
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| 23:49.41 | Starfury^ | why when there is sid ones available somewhere |
| 23:49.48 | FieldySnuts | yes, PPPoA |
| 23:49.49 | jetscreamer | sheesh |
| 23:49.55 | Starfury^ | i have the cd but not the iso, i have just ripped it to iso so no worries now |
| 23:50.05 | Starfury^ | but i was asking in here for the location of the iso to save me having to |
| 23:50.07 | cafuego | Starfury^: For people who THINK they know what they're doing. |
| 23:50.10 | Starfury^ | and then havign to upload it to him |
| 23:50.13 | daww | Can I use a 2.6.10 .config file to a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 23:50.21 | mentor | marcel: Yes, I'm sure someone has one. |
| 23:50.22 | marcin | FieldySnuts: modem? |
| 23:50.29 | FieldySnuts | daww: yes, make oldconfig will pull it in, and only ask about new items |
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| 23:50.48 | daww | FieldySnuts, ok =) |
| 23:50.53 | jim | daww: you';re going backwards? |
| 23:50.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:50.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:50.56 | resiak | Looks like we scared him away. |
| 23:50.56 | jetscreamer | daww, try cp /boot/config-blah /usr/src/kernel-source-blah/.config ... choose a .8 if you have one |
| 23:51.05 | jetscreamer | there wil be differences |
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| 23:53.25 | zetho | anyone knows a good way to recover fat32 deleted catalog ???? |
| 23:53.25 | brisling | how can i make apache read from a catalog? |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | because |
| 23:53.32 | travisat | !moo |
| 23:53.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 23:53.35 | resiak | abrotman: You're really not a fan of highlighting people, are you? |
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| 23:54.36 | daww | jim, yes, apt-get could't find 2.6.10, just 2.6.8 |
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| 23:55.14 | marcin | FieldySnuts: how do you start this ppp connection? |
| 23:55.22 | abrotman | resiak: why? |
| 23:55.23 | travisat | daww: have you ever heard of a time-space rift. perhaps you have entered one. |
| 23:55.23 | Luas | I have the following command running: ´mount \\\\amd64\\GIANT\ \(C\) /mnt/net/amd64/giant/ -t smbfs -o password=a,rw´, but the problem, that the corresponding service in /etc/fstab is not accepted, i think because of the whitespace in the service name. How can I solve this problem? |
| 23:55.26 | FieldySnuts | marcin: I let my router do it |
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| 23:55.55 | jetscreamer | in the words of a great poet named bonn scott, fuck this |
| 23:55.55 | FieldySnuts | eat shit. |
| 23:56.14 | Toy_aburrido | wich email server can u recomend me? courier cyrus-imap? |
| 23:56.17 | marcin | FieldySnuts: so, you got hardware router and you are connected to router via eth - right? |
| 23:56.22 | bobbyd | Toy_aburrido: qmail |
| 23:56.30 | FieldySnuts | "email server"? smtp or pop3 or imap or what |
| 23:56.38 | resiak | abrotman: You never normally prefix people. |
| 23:56.38 | Toy_aburrido | imap + smtp |
| 23:56.39 | resiak | !polls |
| 23:56.40 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 23:56.48 | Toy_aburrido | cyrus-imap + postfix? |
| 23:56.52 | wk1989 | hi |
| 23:56.53 | abrotman | resiak: yes i do |
| 23:56.59 | resiak | abrotman: Not alwaysl |
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| 23:57.02 | FieldySnuts | i use courier for imap and exim for smtp, but that's just me |
| 23:57.04 | wk1989 | how do i change the size of the margin in open office? |
| 23:57.11 | jim | but really folks... Does anyone have X or use Y? |
| 23:57.12 | abrotman | resiak: it depends .. if i do it right after they ask .. not always |
| 23:57.15 | FieldySnuts | ask some open office people? |
| 23:57.29 | wk1989 | channel? |
| 23:57.29 | resiak | FieldySnuts has good taste in MTA. Listen to FieldySnuts. |
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| 23:57.36 | resiak | wk1989? |
| 23:57.51 | wk1989 | huh? |
| 23:57.52 | zetho | do i have to have my own bind/named server to have a standalone postfix server ? currently sending mail anywhere gives me "relay acces denied" |
| 23:58.02 | resiak | heh? |
| 23:58.05 | abrotman | postfix fules! |
| 23:58.07 | abrotman | rules too |
| 23:58.15 | jim | zetho: it's highly recommended, yes |
| 23:58.27 | FieldySnuts | btw i'm talking exim4 not 3 |
| 23:58.31 | wk1989 | ??? |
| 23:58.32 | DeaLER34 | where do you have to add modules before the filesystem is mounted |
| 23:58.33 | daww | xjf for tar.bz2, right? |
| 23:58.39 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 23:58.42 | daww | ok |
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| 23:59.03 | jim | daww: now, man tar and see what those mean |
| 23:59.08 | zetho | yes, i've looked into any howtos but everywhere there;s only postfix configuration ... no BIND9 or NAMED configuration.. and its not simple.. have any howtos ? |
| 23:59.09 | cafuego | Toy_aburrido: postfix + courier/mysql|ldap |
| 23:59.27 | resiak | FieldySnuts: Well, obviously. |
| 23:59.28 | Luas | I have a Samba directory under Windows XP whose name has whitespace. Escaping the whitespace in a mount command works, but in the /etc/fstab file it generates a parse error: "[mntent]: line 14 in /etc/fstab is bad". How can this be solved? |
| 23:59.42 | cafuego | Toy_aburrido: There are approximately 100,000 web pages in google with config info for that type of setup. |
| 23:59.52 | jim | zetho: you just install the bind .deb, it comes with a caching-only config |
