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| 00:00.17 | darkcmd | valdyn, its 2.8.2 |
| 00:00.18 | valdyn | doub: probably, but I cant do that |
| 00:00.25 | darkcmd | !info gnome-about sarge |
| 00:00.28 | dpkg | gnome-about: (The GNOME about box), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 211 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 00:00.29 | drp | video card's bus identifier ... not sure what mine is ... how do you find it |
| 00:00.32 | jim | three hundred sixty thousand bytes for an -about- box?! |
| 00:00.34 | drp | agp? |
| 00:00.36 | useruser | I am using udev and OSS (i think). udev is not making /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer when I reboot. what's the proper way to fix this? |
| 00:00.36 | darkcmd | 2.8.1 |
| 00:01.12 | drp | i'm reconfiguring my xserver and it asked me that question |
| 00:01.21 | valdyn | drp: leave it empty |
| 00:01.23 | drp | I'm currently installing nvidia drivers etc |
| 00:01.24 | m0p | drp, you shouldn't need a bus identifier unless you are using a PPC system or have dual video cards afaik. But I'm just a noob, don't mind me. |
| 00:01.35 | drp | thanks valdyn |
| 00:03.37 | prahal | useruser: if you want to use oss driver you should comment them in the hotplug blacklist (/etc/hotplug/blacklist* |
| 00:03.42 | jim | useruser: (First two words on liner notes of Jimi Hendrix "Are You Experienced" album:) Be Forewarned: OSS is leaving the kernel soon. Already in 2.6.x, the help text says "deprecated", a big word for "wean yourseof off". It might not be in 2.8.x at all... |
| 00:03.47 | jharrison | 2.6.11.1 was suppose to have been released today but its not on kernel.org |
| 00:04.02 | jharrison | nevermind |
| 00:04.12 | jharrison | it is there just missed it |
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| 00:04.41 | jim | "missed it by THAT much..." -Don Adams |
| 00:04.46 | mwilson | jim: There's not going to be a 2.8.x any time soon in any case. |
| 00:04.49 | useruser | jim: darn, i've been using oss forever. simple, and it works, too. |
| 00:05.02 | useruser | prahal: ok i'll take a look |
| 00:05.08 | thomas_adam | 2.6 is an embarrasement. |
| 00:05.17 | jim | mwilson: true enough |
| 00:05.19 | mwilson | Myself, I'll stop using OSS when I have to, and not before. I have no reason to care at all about ALSA. |
| 00:05.52 | darkcmd | why is there a 2.6.11.1? |
| 00:06.07 | mwilson | darkcmd: Do you follow LKML? |
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| 00:06.28 | darkcmd | nope |
| 00:06.28 | jim | darkcmd: an official fix to 2.6.11? |
| 00:06.28 | darkcmd | I should |
| 00:06.28 | jharrison | kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/v2.6.11/patch-2.6.11.1.gz |
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| 00:06.28 | mwilson | darkcmd: Then why do you care about kernel revisions? |
| 00:06.30 | darkcmd | hmm nvm stupid question.. sorry guys |
| 00:06.36 | darkcmd | please don't flame me |
| 00:06.42 | useruser | prahal: which modules should i put in that blacklist? (and why? :-) |
| 00:06.57 | useruser | prahal: don't hotplug and udev play nicely together? |
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| 00:07.40 | jim | darkcmd: no, it's not a stupid question...just because you don't read a mailing list doesn't mean you wouldn't or shouldn't care about revisions |
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| 00:08.04 | mwilson | jim: 99.9% of people have zero reason to care about what the kernel maintainers do. |
| 00:08.12 | mwilson | jim: And should be using vendor kernels. |
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| 00:09.14 | teclo | hello. How can I say that some user can only use 50% of the CPU power ? |
| 00:09.23 | jim | you're using "reason" and "should" to suggest that information shouldn'T be available |
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| 00:10.25 | mwilson | jim: I never said the information shouldn't be available. The discussion about versioning was a protracted publically accessible flamefest as was Grek KH's announcement about 2.6.x.x versioning. I merely point out that most people have no business caring about it. |
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| 00:12.01 | mlots | How do I keep icewm from taking over the alt key? |
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| 00:12.21 | jim | themusicgod1: so you're Steve Smith? Gary Willis? Kenny Kirkland? Wynton Marsalis? :) |
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| 00:12.31 | mwilson | "taking over"? |
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| 00:12.35 | jim | oh wait, Kirlkand is no longer with is |
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| 00:13.06 | HelmutG | hi. i'm looking for some css capable text browser, but w3m and lynx don't seem to support css. does someone know a browser? |
| 00:13.14 | mlots | It doesn't let me pass the key to xterm so irssi won't let me change windows. |
| 00:13.24 | streuner_ | HelmutG: links |
| 00:13.25 | mlots | 'r maybe it's not icewm... hmm |
| 00:13.38 | streuner_ | HelmutG: links could use css, IIRC |
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| 00:13.55 | HelmutG | streuner_: cool. :) |
| 00:14.03 | caphuso | links doesn't do css |
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| 00:14.07 | jharrison | I feel its my prerogative to use whatever kernel I like |
| 00:14.11 | valdyn | mlots: thought that was xterm |
| 00:14.27 | mlots | valdyn: so how do I fix that? |
| 00:14.41 | valdyn | mlots: no idea, i don't use xterm normally |
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| 00:14.45 | jim | I feel it's your prerogative to use words like prerogative :) |
| 00:15.02 | jharrison | damn straight |
| 00:15.10 | jim | werd |
| 00:15.17 | mlots | ctrl right click menu. |
| 00:15.22 | mlots | thanks |
| 00:15.27 | HelmutG | streuner_: you are right. |
| 00:15.27 | mlots | 'r maybe not...arg |
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| 00:15.50 | streuner_ | HelmutG: see what caphuso told you |
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| 00:16.02 | Ink_ | someone here that has used mrtg? :) |
| 00:16.16 | jharrison | I woudlnt use non-vendor kernels in a production enviroment but at home on my own personal machine that I like to play with stuff like this on I will |
| 00:16.20 | jharrison | Ink_: sure |
| 00:16.23 | HelmutG | streuner_: but links ignores display: none; |
| 00:16.25 | jharrison | Ink_: rrdtool is nice as well |
| 00:16.46 | Ink_ | jharrison: about rrdtool.. how do i run it!? :P |
| 00:17.10 | jim | so, the answer to "why is there a 2.6.11.1" is "they decided to change the version numbering, perhaps to allow compatabie bug and security fixes while keeping compatable with the stem x.y.z version" |
| 00:17.10 | Ink_ | and jharrison, what is the "correnct" crontab line for mrtg? |
| 00:17.13 | mlots | I have a similar problem with vnc. |
| 00:17.20 | HelmutG | streuner_: and i don't think links support z-indexes. |
| 00:17.22 | useruser | I found a webpage suggesting I add lines like this: "snd_mixer_oss alias is /dev/mixer" to the file "/etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6". I suspect this is a gentoo-specific file. what's the debian equivalent? |
| 00:17.46 | jim | useruser: that's alsa |
| 00:17.54 | useruser | jim: ah |
| 00:18.06 | useruser | jim: maybe i am using alsa then :S |
| 00:18.09 | useruser | jim: how do i tell? :) |
| 00:18.29 | jim | if you lsmod, can you see lots and lots of snd_* modules? |
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| 00:18.32 | el` | snd_ = alsa |
| 00:18.42 | useruser | jim: yeah |
| 00:18.52 | jim | maybe you're using alsa :) |
| 00:19.13 | useruser | jim: ok... so, I'm using alsa and udev doesn't create /dev/mixer. what gives? :) |
| 00:19.21 | mwilson | udev is crap? |
| 00:19.43 | jim | I think he's looknig for a HELPFUL answer |
| 00:19.52 | valdyn | useruser: modprobe snd-mixer-oss does |
| 00:19.55 | mwilson | Ok, remove udev. |
| 00:20.10 | el` | haha |
| 00:20.10 | useruser | valdyn: right, so if I add that module to /etc/modules do you think that'll help? |
| 00:20.29 | useruser | mwilson: that involves a 2.4 kernel transplant, no? |
| 00:20.31 | jim | useruser: see if the command alsamixer is installed |
| 00:20.31 | streuner_ | mwilson: do you use udev or devfs? |
| 00:20.35 | mwilson | Not having it installed is ever so much more helpful than having it installed. |
| 00:20.35 | useruser | jim: it's not |
| 00:20.36 | valdyn | useruser: modprobe it, then go see if /dev/mixer exists |
| 00:20.45 | jharrison | Ink_: check out the website. It has all the docs you need etc... |
| 00:20.46 | useruser | valdyn: i did that, and it does |
| 00:20.56 | mwilson | useruser: Hardly. Where did you get the idea that you had to have udev if you used a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:21.05 | useruser | mwilson: brainfart i expect |
| 00:21.10 | jharrison | Ink_: sorry im configuring a kernel |
| 00:21.10 | mwilson | streuner_: Gods, no. Why would I? |
| 00:21.19 | jim | hmm, that doesn't necessarily say you're using alsa or not using it... but those modules you have loaded are probably tellinng |
| 00:21.32 | useruser | jim: nmixer works for my mixer needs |
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| 00:21.50 | jim | does nmixer presently work? :) |
| 00:21.56 | Tman | is it possible to share a CD on windows, and access it directly via samba on a linux computer? |
| 00:21.59 | valdyn | useruser: adding it to /etc/modules would do that yes, however it should be inserted automatically at some point due to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base probably |
| 00:22.01 | Tman | by directly I mean the windows equivalent of messing with /dev/cdrom |
| 00:22.14 | useruser | jim: since i modprobed some snd-* module (which created /dev/mixer), yes |
| 00:22.20 | valdyn | useruser: its automatically for me, havent looked into it |
| 00:22.29 | Ink_ | jharrison: bah, i was looking for a easy answer :P |
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| 00:22.54 | jim | useruser: so you got waht you're looking for by loading a module? |
| 00:22.54 | useruser | valdyn: ok. i already have snd_ali5451 in /etc/modules. not sure if it *should* be there... |
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| 00:23.10 | valdyn | useruser: doesnt matter, its not wrong to be there |
| 00:23.24 | useruser | jim: seems so, but i want it automated. and i have to reboot to check it so i'm asking a load of questions :) anyway I'll add it to /etc/modules and see if it works |
| 00:23.28 | useruser | jim: valdyn thanks! |
| 00:23.31 | jharrison | Ink_: with rrdtool there are no easy answers |
| 00:23.58 | jharrison | Ink_: and mrtg requires some research as well although maybe not as much as rrdtool |
| 00:24.18 | jim | useruser: still, you could look at alsamixer becasue it iterates over al devices on your card, and you can see them all |
| 00:24.23 | Ink_ | jharrison: well i only need the crontab line, rest i have alredy configured :) |
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| 00:24.32 | valdyn | useruser: one run of /etc/init.d/module-init-tools is required for this auto-stuff to function iirc, so if you didnt reboot or do it manually, it just didnt happen yet |
| 00:24.32 | jim | I'm not sure if oss mixers will do that |
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| 00:26.56 | aliasptr | Does anyone know why my x86 testing install wants to remove php4 libapache-mod-php4 and gallery and upgrade php4-common? |
| 00:27.00 | Ink_ | hmm, wierd.. is everything in /etc/cron.d/ "active"? |
| 00:27.42 | valdyn | aliasptr: probably a bug in apt, look at bts, try apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 00:27.59 | mwilson | Ink_: That *is* kinda the idea. |
| 00:28.13 | aliasptr | valdyn, already did both, bts didn't show anything obvious |
| 00:28.28 | aliasptr | I've confirmed on both my testing boxes this happens (very similar setups) |
| 00:28.49 | valdyn | aliasptr: did you do apt-get dselect-upgrade too? |
| 00:28.51 | Ink_ | mwilson: well i have no clue, im new too debian so im askin (and i don't feel stupid about it either :)) |
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| 00:29.25 | jim | aliasptr, it's probably something that either php depends on, your x86 provides, or both |
| 00:29.56 | aliasptr | valdyn, yes that's my normal method of keeping updated (I don't use the cron apt-get just for these circumstances!) |
| 00:30.05 | valentinos | http://www.linuxmagazine.com/content/view/45/115/ :) |
| 00:30.28 | aliasptr | jim, what do you mean by "it" in the beginning of your sentence? The reason why it wants to remove certain things? |
| 00:30.40 | aliasptr | I am thinking about just writing it off as some versioning idiocy |
| 00:30.57 | jim | aliasptr: yes |
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| 00:31.32 | aliasptr | ok |
| 00:31.36 | jim | that is, you should probably be able to find out why by viewing the tree of dependencies between the two |
| 00:31.40 | mwilson | aliasptr: It wants to remove packages because you told it that it was allowed to. Learn the difference between the 'upgrade' and 'dist-upgrade' targets. |
| 00:31.52 | jim | if not, that would be a bug in apt-get |
| 00:31.54 | mlots | How do I change window managers from tabwm? |
| 00:32.08 | mwilson | Oh, gods, not that worthless LM article about Debian again. |
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| 00:33.58 | aliasptr | mwilson, I apologize for having insulted you by my ignorance I'll go read more because I admittedly don't have a good fundamental understanding of apt nor dpkg |
| 00:35.01 | mwilson | aliasptr: This is why most people should not be using apt-get. |
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| 00:35.20 | aliasptr | mwilson, Well I'm an idiot- shoot me. After reading the man page I understand better |
| 00:35.20 | orchid | bah |
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| 00:36.00 | solomonn | most people shouldn't use apt-get? |
| 00:36.06 | solomonn | what would they use instead? |
| 00:36.07 | solomonn | rpm? :P |
| 00:36.24 | baronsamedi | solomonn, aptitude? |
| 00:36.40 | solomonn | ah, yeah, aptitude does rock anyway |
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| 00:37.16 | valentinos | synaptics :) :) |
| 00:37.22 | wgandhi | I have been using synaptic... |
| 00:37.27 | baronsamedi | try running 'aptitude update' :) all the apt-get functionality you want |
| 00:37.27 | lenux | is there a chat for wine? |
| 00:37.44 | wgandhi | everytime there is a dependency synaptic crashes.. |
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| 00:38.56 | lenux | can someone with a wine prob |
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| 00:39.05 | darkcmd | is synaptic... |
| 00:39.11 | darkcmd | GTK1 |
| 00:39.29 | laicosa | lenux: /list *wine* |
| 00:39.39 | baronsamedi | darkcmd, afaik it's gtk+, but I dislike how it handles dependencies anyway |
| 00:39.43 | Segers_J | lenux: ask your question, if someone knows the answer, they'll pipe up. |
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| 00:41.04 | darkcmd | I'll just stick to the command line |
| 00:41.08 | pw | I've got a wine problem. Can't get 1988 Chateau le Chatelais for love nor money. |
| 00:41.10 | lenux | im tryn to run a prog and get a failer 5 status is ther a wine cha t on here today is my first daY on xchat alos..lol |
| 00:41.12 | Tman | does anyone know if it's possible to rip a CD located on another (windows) PC, using samba? |
| 00:41.37 | mwilson | Most people should use a package manager rather than a mid-level tool, especially one that they don't invest time into learning. |
| 00:41.52 | drp | is there a good website to check the horizontal and vertical sync specs of various monitors |
| 00:41.52 | Flimzy | Tman: rip, probably not |
| 00:41.57 | Flimzy | Tman: But you should be able to access it |
| 00:42.02 | lenux | *wine* |
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| 00:42.13 | Flimzy | drp: google |
| 00:42.53 | chealer | lenux: do as laicosa said, /list *wine* |
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| 00:43.02 | Tman | Flimzy: hmph |
| 00:43.16 | Segers_J | drp: found mine at http://www.telalink.net/~griffin/monitors |
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| 00:43.35 | chealer | lenux: but if that doesn't work for you (as for me), /j #winehq :) |
| 00:43.59 | lenux | im such a noob...lol...anyone wanna kickme............lmao |
| 00:44.09 | cat | !kick lenux |
| 00:44.28 | lenux | is there a wine chat |
| 00:44.31 | darkcmd | lol |
| 00:44.36 | dondelelcaro | lenux: #winehq |
| 00:44.40 | Segers_J | !tell lenux about smart questions |
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| 00:46.31 | Segers_J | heh |
| 00:46.39 | lenux | thanks sorry to bug u guys ....im a fresh turd |
| 00:46.43 | lenux | lol |
| 00:47.22 | lenux | exit |
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| 00:47.49 | Segers_J | "I hear they have the internet on computers these days" --Homer J. Simpson |
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| 00:51.15 | Agrajag- | hey all, does anyone know of a tool that can get email off my isps |
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| 00:51.21 | Agrajag- | pop3 server |
| 00:51.30 | Agrajag- | and deliver it to a local imap server? |
| 00:52.07 | valdyn | Agrajag-: fetchmail |
| 00:52.13 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: you don't deliver things to a local imap server, but you can use fetchmail to stick them in the local spool |
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| 00:52.27 | Flimzy | Agrajag-: fetchmail will probably do what you want. |
| 00:52.27 | Agrajag- | ok, ta, i'll look into that |
| 00:52.53 | Ink_ | Hmm, im looking for an apache2 logo, anywith with a nice link or something? |
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| 00:52.59 | duckman75 | anyone else having problems with the nvidia-howto ? i follow all the steps but it says nvidia-kernel-common is not there |
| 00:53.13 | valdyn | duckman75: its in sid |
| 00:53.14 | Flimzy | Ink_: apache.org? |
| 00:53.33 | duckman75 | valdyn, yes, i am using unstable setting |
| 00:54.08 | paxmaster | hello there i am still having problem with display value on my remote computer and on my laptop and i also enable X11Forwarding yes in ssd_config |
| 00:54.12 | valdyn | !info nvidia-kerne-common |
| 00:54.19 | Aerdan | How do I set up Apache2 to use mod_perl2? The documentation at perl.apache.org suggests to me that ModPerl should exist outside of Apache2::, but it doesn't look like Debian has it that way. |
| 00:54.31 | valdyn | duckman75: apt-get update |
| 00:54.41 | valdyn | !info nvidia-kernel-common |
| 00:54.42 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6629+1 (sid), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 00:55.07 | duckman75 | lol |
| 00:55.34 | jim | mwilson: which target allows this removal? |
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| 00:56.03 | darkcmd | do you guys recommend sarge as the debian distro to install |
| 00:56.05 | mwilson | jim: Which target allows what removal? |
| 00:56.20 | Flimzy | darkcmd: probably not |
| 00:56.27 | Flimzy | darkcmd: altho it depends on what you're doing with it |
| 00:56.30 | duckman75 | that would be nice, but nvidia-kernel depends nvidia-kernel-common |
| 00:56.31 | darkcmd | what do you recommend? |
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| 00:56.41 | Flimzy | darkcmd: If you have to ask, woody is probably best for you |
| 00:56.43 | honschu | BEER RULEZ! |
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| 00:56.54 | duckman75 | valdyn, nvidia-kernel depends nvidia-kernel-common... |
| 00:56.57 | jim | mwilson: dist-upgrade vs upgrade |
| 00:56.58 | Agrajag- | courier-imap is what i want for an imap server yeah? |
| 00:57.06 | darkcmd | Flimzy, for the home desktop user? |
| 00:57.12 | kingsley_ | Where are postsrcipt type 1 fonts? |
| 00:57.15 | Flimzy | darkcmd: If you have to ask, woody is probably best for you |
| 00:57.18 | valdyn | duckman75:i know, so why donn't you install it? |
| 00:57.25 | mwilson | jim: The upgrade target is not allowed to change the installation state of a package... dist-upgrade is. |
| 00:57.29 | baronsamedi | anyone here using debian on a powerbook? (new model) |
| 00:57.30 | darkcmd | heh ok |
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| 00:57.31 | Gheesh | darkcmd: You should be at least familiar with Linux to use testing |
| 00:57.34 | duckman75 | valdyn, please refer to my first message |
| 00:57.43 | Gheesh | but if you are, testing is a very nice system :) |
| 00:57.43 | mwilson | kingsley_: Google. |
| 00:57.49 | duckman75 | valdyn, anyone else having problems with the nvidia-howto ? i follow all the steps but it says nvidia-kernel-common is not there |
| 00:57.52 | darkcmd | Gheesh, I'm considering moving from using slackware for 4 years.. to Debian |
| 00:57.56 | jim | mwilson: so upgrade only installs package-over-package |
| 00:58.02 | valdyn | duckman75: it IS there, in contrib |
| 00:58.09 | Gheesh | darkcmd: Then I guess you should have no problem with Sarge |
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| 00:58.16 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 00:58.20 | jim | darkcmd: might want to do that on a separate box |
| 00:58.21 | valdyn | duckman75: you may have to add contrib to your line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:58.30 | mwilson | jim: upgrade cannot change the installation state of a package. |
| 00:58.43 | darkcmd | jim, why's that? |
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| 00:59.03 | mwilson | jim: So if A does not require B as a dependency, but the new version of A *does* require B, then A will not be upgraded, as B cannot be installed. |
| 00:59.16 | duckman75 | valdyn, where does that go? |
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| 00:59.40 | valdyn | duckman75: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:59.54 | jim | while using debian is going to be the same, the package management is different from what you are used to with slackware |
| 00:59.58 | duckman75 | valdyn, right i understand that... i am not sure where to put contrib |
| 01:00.18 | mwilson | Yeah, Debian has package management, Snacky... doesn't. |
| 01:00.26 | jim | mwilson: nice description. thanks |
| 01:00.30 | darkcmd | jim, yeah.. its better |
| 01:00.31 | duckman75 | valdyn, this is what i have in my sources anyone else having problems with the nvidia-howto ? i follow all the steps but it says nvidia-kernel-common is not there |
| 01:00.36 | duckman75 | valdyn, ooppss |
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| 01:00.40 | darkcmd | I want dependancy tracking |
| 01:00.42 | duckman75 | tp://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia modules-unstable/i386/ |
| 01:00.43 | valdyn | duckman75: deb http://blah/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 01:00.45 | honschu | *Hicks* BEER RULEZ! |
| 01:00.48 | darkcmd | I want a system that works |
| 01:00.52 | darkcmd | :) |
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| 01:01.05 | honschu | darkcmd - use ur girlfriend |
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| 01:01.17 | jim | darkcmd: oh, you do want version tracking? wellthen :) |
| 01:01.19 | darkcmd | honschu, huh? |
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| 01:01.36 | darkcmd | man I just love the sounds of apt-get |
| 01:01.40 | darkcmd | I can' |
| 01:01.49 | honschu | darkcmd: reboot |
| 01:01.53 | darkcmd | oops... I can't wait to have sarge on this box.. with GNOME 2.8 |
| 01:01.57 | jim | darkcmd: honschu likes beer :) |
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| 01:02.07 | darkcmd | jim, :) |
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| 01:02.30 | darkcmd | though I will have to install some non free software.. I need nvidia drivers on this box |
| 01:02.35 | valdyn | duckman75: you don't need that line if you are running sid, which you said you did |
| 01:02.50 | jim | darkcmd: do you keep separate partitions? |
| 01:03.08 | darkcmd | jim, yeah.. /home and /usr |
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| 01:03.15 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 01:03.15 | dpkg | nvidia drivers are in nvidia-glx-src and nvidia-kernel-src , these are needed to run XF4 efficiently with an nvidia card such as the geforce |
| 01:03.29 | darkcmd | will that be a problem? |
| 01:03.34 | jim | darkcmd: you should consider backing up your entire system, partition-by-partition, so that you can restore it |
| 01:04.05 | scorphus | "grep -i word" shows every occurrence of 'word', how do I get the otherwise? |
| 01:04.05 | darkcmd | jim, I'll back up imporant files.. as far as I'm concerned slack's gotta go.. one way or another |
| 01:04.27 | darkcmd | even after 4 years of use.. I'm fed up |
| 01:04.32 | jim | no, wont' be a big problem, but you have to find out how to do it (which, if you did it for your slackware, shouldn't be a big problem) |
| 01:04.52 | jcurry | i will give a prize to the first person that gets me the link that detailed how to install the ubuntu xorg packages under sid... |
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| 01:05.02 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: see /topic |
| 01:05.20 | jim | note that a fairly large chunk of a debian package was taken from slackware's .tgz package format |
| 01:05.37 | mwilson | jcurry: There isn't one. No one sane would do it in the first place. |
| 01:05.40 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, i know, that page tells me how to compile it |
| 01:05.44 | darkcmd | all i did was create multiple partitions with cfdisk.. then told slack to format them, and what to mount them as. I can tell the debian installer how big I want each partition.. and the swap, and to format it in ext3 right? |
| 01:05.52 | jcurry | mwilson, i saw it today, but forgot where it was |
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| 01:06.07 | valdyn | darkcmd: yes, anything |
| 01:06.26 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, copiled it, but now apt wants to update a whole bunch of xfree packages...what to do? |
| 01:06.31 | mwilson | jim: How do you figure, since the Debian package format came much earlier than Snacky's pretend packages? |
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| 01:06.44 | popup_killer2005 | hi |
| 01:06.49 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: you're going to have to update a whole bunch of x packages, because X includes all of the library files etc. |
| 01:06.56 | darkcmd | cool |
| 01:07.02 | darkcmd | I think I'm going to like debian. |
| 01:07.03 | dondelelcaro | jcurry: that's why it's not as trivial as it sounds to just "upgrade to x.org" |
| 01:07.20 | popup_killer2005 | help please |
| 01:07.26 | darkcmd | yeah x.org would be nice |
| 01:07.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell popup_killer2005 about ask |
| 01:07.41 | popup_killer2005 | hi i am newbie in linux |
| 01:07.46 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, what? the page i saw detailed how to remove the xfree packages (all the ones that need to be removed) and install xorg in their place |
| 01:07.51 | popup_killer2005 | i am in peru |
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| 01:08.25 | popup_killer2005 | some speak spanihs |
| 01:08.34 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, the compiled version works, but i can't 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 01:08.44 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, or can i, safely? |
| 01:08.57 | popup_killer2005 | jcurry wath distribution of linux is better |
| 01:08.59 | slocate | popup_killer2005: go to #linuxlatino |
| 01:09.09 | dondelelcaro | popup_killer2005: or ask in #debian-es |
| 01:09.32 | popup_killer2005 | have newbie in linux |
| 01:09.34 | jcurry | popup_killer2005, debian, of course |
| 01:09.41 | popup_killer2005 | slocate one question |
| 01:10.08 | popup_killer2005 | wath distribution of linux is better |
| 01:10.12 | slocate | popup_killer2005: there is NO other like Debian |
| 01:10.33 | popup_killer2005 | debian is better |
| 01:10.41 | darkcmd | popup_killer2005, of course we're going to say Debian.. you are in #debian :) |
| 01:10.49 | popup_killer2005 | ok |
| 01:10.51 | slocate | popup_killer2005: but of course if yuo come to #debian you are bound to hera that |
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| 01:11.08 | valdyn | !best |
| 01:11.09 | slocate | lmao |
| 01:11.09 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 01:11.19 | popup_killer2005 | darkcmd have star with linux |
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| 01:11.37 | darkcmd | but seriously, apt has to be one of the best package managers |
| 01:11.54 | slocate | popup_killer2005: coge pa #linuxlatino, undernet |
| 01:12.02 | popup_killer2005 | slocate |
| 01:12.07 | Yoghurt | !help |
| 01:12.08 | YogiBot | Yoghurt: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 01:12.10 | popup_killer2005 | puedes hablar español |
| 01:12.19 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, but neither i nor google can find that page again :( |
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| 01:12.34 | darkcmd | since I'm moving to debian... i can use apt to install stuff via apt repositories.. if I want to install a single .deb.. I use dpkg right? |
| 01:12.36 | slocate | popup_killer2005: aqui no |
| 01:12.39 | popup_killer2005 | quisiera saber con cual empezar con que distro |
| 01:12.52 | slocate | darkcmd: right |
| 01:12.58 | popup_killer2005 | es que soy nuevo |
| 01:12.59 | jcurry | darkcmd, yes, dpkg -i package.deb |
| 01:13.05 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, I've got a package which I can't remove or upgrade - the post installation fails with an error 10. Is there any way I can get dpkg to tell me what the problem is, exactly? |
| 01:13.23 | popup_killer2005 | dark dame el canal please my friend |
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| 01:13.26 | darkcmd | thanks guys.. I can't wait |
| 01:13.43 | popup_killer2005 | dark any channel in spanish |
| 01:13.46 | popup_killer2005 | of linux |
| 01:13.59 | popup_killer2005 | dark |
| 01:14.05 | Yoghurt | %eightball Is Debian the best distro? |
| 01:14.05 | YogiBot | Yoghurt: _I_ don't know. |
| 01:14.10 | darkcmd | popup_killer2005, i believe the others said #debian-es |
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| 01:14.30 | [Outlaw] | Because "failed with error 10" isn't terribly useful |
| 01:14.30 | popup_killer2005 | ok dark thank yo my friend |
| 01:14.30 | travisat | c^:hi |
| 01:14.34 | darkcmd | Yoghurt, @_@ |
| 01:15.03 | slocate | popup_killer2005: in undernet there is a great linux channel |
| 01:15.15 | slocate | popup_killer2005: linuxlatino |
| 01:15.37 | EvanCarroll | !spanish |
| 01:15.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:16.08 | [Outlaw] | Anyone? |
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| 01:16.10 | popup_killer2005 | thank yo my friends |
| 01:16.14 | popup_killer2005 | thank you |
| 01:16.18 | popup_killer2005 | saludos desde peru |
| 01:17.03 | popup_killer2005 | hola |
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| 01:17.34 | Cindux | didnt work = / |
| 01:17.47 | Cindux | um could anyone tell me how to add someone to the sudoers file ? |
| 01:17.58 | Cindux | im completly new to linux = / |
| 01:18.11 | Flimzy | Cindux: did you try man sudo? |
| 01:18.12 | Flimzy | or perhaps man sudoers |
| 01:18.18 | jcurry | dondelelcaro, aha: http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/01/ubuntus-xorg-on-debian-sid.html |
| 01:18.21 | Cindux | um i was told to open visudo |
| 01:18.23 | Cindux | and edit it |
| 01:18.31 | Cindux | i opened it but im lost at what to add/edit |
| 01:18.56 | popup_killer2005 | my friends fedora core 3 is better more or less |
| 01:19.00 | Flimzy | Cindux: Okay... so then did you try man sudo or man sudoers? |
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| 01:19.24 | Cindux | um do i run those as root ? |
| 01:19.28 | Cindux | or as the user i want to add |
| 01:19.36 | Flimzy | Cindux: man sudo |
| 01:19.45 | asg | Cindux: no, you type 'man sudo' as any user and read the manual |
| 01:19.46 | Cindux | er isnt that the help file? |
| 01:19.51 | Cindux | i was still confused |
| 01:19.53 | Cindux | :( |
| 01:19.53 | Flimzy | (I wonder how many times I'll have to say this before Cindux gets a clue) |
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| 01:19.54 | Cindux | lol |
| 01:19.59 | Cindux | i know |
| 01:20.16 | Flimzy | I'm trying to give out free clues... and he *still* doesn't get a clue |
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| 01:20.33 | Cindux | >< |
| 01:20.38 | Cindux | its a manual yes |
| 01:20.42 | Cindux | i didnt understand it |
| 01:20.44 | Flimzy | Cindux: so... did you try 'man sudo' yet? |
| 01:20.47 | Cindux | im a moron :D |
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| 01:20.55 | jim | Cindux: it's usually both more and less than a help file |
| 01:21.00 | asg | Cindux: /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples/sudoers (an example sudoers file) |
| 01:21.07 | Flimzy | Well rather than saying "how do I do it?" say "I read the man page, and here's the part I have trouble with" |
| 01:21.35 | teclo | Cindux: you mean, you cannot read a manual page and figure out what to do ? |
| 01:21.43 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: He couldn't get a clue if he bathed in clue much then ran through a field of horny clues at the height of clue mating season. |
| 01:21.49 | jim | Cindux: that way you participate in helping yourself, and the resulting backnforth makes it more fun |
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| 01:22.23 | Flimzy | haha |
| 01:22.23 | shingouz | he got the clue.... |
| 01:22.30 | teclo | dumb asses |
| 01:22.32 | jim | scarynetworkguy: scary! |
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| 01:23.24 | Flimzy | I believe Chips'n'dip is fundamentally flawed... By the time I get down to the smaller bits of chips... the dip can is half empty, and I have to get my fingers all messy to dip the chips. |
| 01:23.51 | Flimzy | either then can needs to empty bottom to top, or the small chips need to be packaged at the top of the bag |
| 01:23.52 | asg | Flimzy: just tongue the dip cup |
| 01:24.00 | mwilson | Flimzy: You're not doing it right... you dump the chips into a bowl, then the small pieces are on the top. |
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| 01:24.46 | Flimzy | mwilson: That would require that I wash my bowls |
| 01:24.59 | mwilson | So dump them onto the desk. |
| 01:25.06 | Flimzy | hehe |
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| 01:26.06 | duckman75 | - |
| 01:26.29 | duckman75 | whats a good filemanager? |
| 01:26.54 | darkcmd | if you don't want a desktop environment.. and you want a GUI.. rox |
| 01:26.58 | darkcmd | rox-filer I mean |
| 01:26.59 | asg | duckman75: standard unix tools (mv, cp, rm, etc...) |
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| 01:27.14 | Flimzy | duckman75: bash |
| 01:27.40 | duckman75 | agreed |
| 01:27.42 | duckman75 | :) |
| 01:28.14 | duckman75 | is there a known name resolution "speed" issue with firefox? seems like it takes forever to resolve a name |
| 01:29.11 | mwilson | duckman75: No, firecrap is just crap. |
| 01:29.16 | Biovore | I have that problems to on one box, but my other deb box dosn't.. its strange.. |
| 01:29.26 | duckman75 | mwilson, what would u recommend? |
| 01:29.36 | darkcmd | mwilson, what do you recommend |
| 01:29.37 | Segers_J | when I installed, it used a dhcp server. How do I change that? |
| 01:29.52 | asg | Segers_J: man 5 interfaces, /msg dpkg faq |
| 01:29.53 | mwilson | I don't *ever* recommend software to people. |
| 01:30.09 | darkcmd | oh :| |
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| 01:30.27 | duckman75 | mwilson, ok.. :? is there anything that is not in the "crap" category? |
| 01:30.34 | schuler | does the kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 in sarge not support MS IntelliMouse at PS/2 port? |
| 01:30.37 | Overand | duckman75: i've never had a DNS resolution problem with firefox |
| 01:30.45 | Segers_J | asg: RTFMing, thanks. :) |
| 01:30.49 | Overand | you could try opera as an alternative |
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| 01:31.32 | Flimzy | duckman75: fix your DNS |
| 01:31.49 | inc|freaky | how do i update a cvs directory? |
| 01:32.04 | mwilson | man cvs |
| 01:32.11 | duckman75 | Flimzy, lol.. |
| 01:32.21 | Yoghurt | inc: cvs up |
| 01:32.21 | Flimzy | inc|freaky: I give up. How do you update a cvs directory? |
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| 01:32.41 | Yoghurt | inc|fre: cvs update |
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| 01:33.26 | kbrooks | Finally. I'm here. |
| 01:33.30 | kbrooks | Hi. |
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| 01:34.02 | inc|freaky | Flimzy: i mean, how i can, if i downloaded a direcotory, after i compiled, i can update the files to the neweer versions |
| 01:34.08 | darkcmd | hello kbrooks |
| 01:34.25 | clueless | Are there any utility to that will monitor directory size and give me warning if it's too big? (I dont want to set hard disk quota. I just want to know if some directory gets too big) |
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| 01:35.44 | gecko_ | Hi!I've got a linux rooter (debian) and a win$ box behind. If I run a TCP server on the win$ box, I guess opening ports on the firewall would'nt suffice. Do I need to forward the port or somewhat?Is there any utility to do that? |
| 01:36.16 | darkcmd | gecko_, i think iptables... not sure though |
| 01:36.26 | Flimzy | clueless: You could easily write a bash script/cron job to do that. |
| 01:37.22 | gecko_ | darkcmd : the router box has a 2.2.x kernel then ipchains ... |
| 01:37.27 | Agrajag- | hey all, im having a bit of trouble finding docs on doing apache2 + ssl with testing. I've added port 443 in /etc/apache2/ports.conf, run apache2-ssl-certificate, added the ssl.load/mod in mods-enabled, restarted apache.. but it's not listening on 443 |
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| 01:40.56 | gecko_ | darkcmd has quit... is there anyone who can help ? |
| 01:41.18 | kbrooks | gecko_: with? |
| 01:41.51 | gecko_ | Can I cut & paste? |
| 01:42.22 | Chicago | is there a channel for dfs users? |
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| 01:43.23 | gecko_ | kbrooks : I've a linux rooter debian with a 2.2.x kernel no iptables then ... I need to run a TCP/UDP server on the win$ box behind the router ... |
| 01:43.58 | Segers_J | gecko_: iirc, for a port on a machine inside the firewall to be visible to those outside of the firewall, you "forward" all traffic on that port to the machine you want to expose, but I've never done any of this. |
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| 01:44.44 | stew | gecko_: what does uname -r say? |
| 01:44.50 | Chicago | any debian from scratch users on this network? |
| 01:45.07 | stew | Chicago: what is debian from scratch? |
| 01:45.12 | gecko_ | stew : 2.2.19pre17 |
| 01:45.13 | kbrooks | lol |
| 01:45.21 | Segers_J | all that to get one possible googlable keyword out. <grin> |
| 01:45.21 | stew | gecko_: why not upgrade to a 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:45.43 | stew | gecko_: iptables is a much much better firewall than ipchais |
| 01:45.47 | Chicago | http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 01:46.21 | gecko_ | stew : it's planned ... but I need time to learn difference between the 2 kernels |
| 01:46.29 | Chicago | anyone who if there is a dedicated channel for dfs users? |
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| 01:47.10 | gecko_ | stew : for ex. iptables / netfilter / devfs ? and so on ... |
| 01:47.27 | stew | iptables == netfilter |
| 01:47.48 | stew | and none of that is going to work on 2.2 |
| 01:47.59 | Daemon- | hi, ive installed gcc and keep getting this error >> "checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" can someone help? |
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| 01:48.14 | stew | !faq Daemon- |
| 01:48.15 | dpkg | Daemon-: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:48.24 | Daemon- | ok thx |
| 01:48.36 | jim | Daemon-: what do you mean "install" |
| 01:48.49 | Segers_J | Daemon-: have you installed build-essential? |
| 01:49.10 | Daemon- | doing it now.....thx peeps |
| 01:49.14 | Daemon- | muchos gracias |
| 01:49.43 | gecko_ | stew : ok ! I'll upgrade ... it's high time I guess even if I was told several times :"if it isn't broken don't fix it ;-)" |
| 01:49.55 | travisat | yeah my bot is alive! |
| 01:50.05 | markybob | wow. i didnt realize people actually used chatzilla |
| 01:50.10 | ferrus | travisat: bot? |
| 01:50.16 | travisat | ^c is owned by me |
| 01:50.20 | ferrus | ah |
| 01:50.42 | ferrus | whassit do? |
| 01:51.03 | travisat | dunno yet, its an eggdrop bot, now I gotta find something to do with it |
| 01:51.06 | ferrus | ah |
| 01:51.07 | ferrus | yeah |
| 01:51.09 | ferrus | eggdrop |
| 01:51.15 | ferrus | i have no clue how to work with those |
| 01:51.24 | kbrooks | okay |
| 01:51.28 | Biovore | you need to learn tcl |
| 01:51.31 | Biovore | for eggdrop |
| 01:51.37 | ferrus | tcl? |
| 01:51.52 | Biovore | thats the scripting language eggdrop uses |
| 01:51.53 | ferrus | nevermind |
| 01:51.59 | jim | http://philip.greenspun.com/books/tcl |
| 01:51.59 | ferrus | got the link from dpkg |
| 01:52.04 | kbrooks | i have a question |
| 01:52.09 | ferrus | tcl.tk |
| 01:52.12 | ferrus | !ask |
| 01:52.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ... |
| 01:52.14 | jim | if I had a question.... |
| 01:52.15 | travisat | time to learn tcl |
| 01:52.29 | jim | I'd question in the mooooorrrrrning |
| 01:52.30 | Biovore | its not rocket science.. |
| 01:52.40 | travisat | jim: that link is bad |
| 01:52.45 | jim | ok |
| 01:52.52 | ferrus | jim: scratch that, "I'll ask it in the morning..." |
| 01:52.54 | Biovore | just google it.. |
| 01:53.18 | ferrus | http://www.tcl.tk/ |
| 01:53.27 | Flimzy | ferrus: You must have been born in the 70's or later |
| 01:53.38 | travisat | there he went |
| 01:53.49 | ferrus | Flimsy: How you gather? |
| 01:53.51 | jim | http://philip.greenspun.com/tcl/ |
| 01:53.56 | Biovore | http://www.egghelp.org/ <-- good eggdrop site for starters |
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| 01:54.08 | Flimzy | ferrus: B/c you apparantly mistook jim's reference to a 60's song. |
| 01:54.21 | ferrus | er |
| 01:54.23 | travisat | Biovore: thanks I'll look there |
| 01:54.35 | Flimzy | ferrus: "If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the mooooorning" |
| 01:54.40 | Flimzy | ferrus: It just doesn't work to change the words around as you proposed :P |
| 01:54.43 | ferrus | s/that, "I'll ask/that, "I'd ask/ |
| 01:54.53 | markybob | heh |
| 01:55.03 | ferrus | sorry |
| 01:55.05 | ferrus | stoner typo |
| 01:55.07 | jim | np :) |
| 01:55.14 | ferrus | I gotta stop hitting enter so much |
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| 01:55.16 | Flimzy | ferrus: no... s/I'd ask/I'd question/ |
| 01:55.22 | ferrus | why question? |
| 01:55.27 | Flimzy | ferrus: 'question' must be repated in the 2nd line :P |
| 01:55.34 | kbrooks | i have a question |
| 01:55.36 | jim | look at the original song lyrics |
| 01:55.37 | Flimzy | ferrus: B/c that's how the song goes |
| 01:55.40 | markybob | flimzy you didnt get it right, either. |
| 01:55.42 | man_in_shack | only root can print to my parport printer. any ideas on why that might be? |
| 01:55.55 | ferrus | man_in_shack: permissions |
| 01:55.57 | Flimzy | markybob: what did I mess up? |
| 01:55.59 | mwilson | You only gave root permission to? |
| 01:56.03 | kbrooks | how do i run xterm! it wont even run, i tried selecting it |
| 01:56.16 | man_in_shack | permissions on what exactly? |
| 01:56.16 | rob0 | Wasn't that MLK Jr's famous speech, "I have a question!" ?? |
| 01:56.19 | jim | man_in_shack: even using lpr? |
| 01:56.20 | ferrus | '!' != '?' |
| 01:56.21 | markybob | flimzy you have to escape special characters, like spaces, with a blackslash |
| 01:56.28 | Flimzy | kbrooks: You tried 'selecting' it? |
| 01:56.34 | man_in_shack | jim, i dunno about lpr, but cups ... |
| 01:56.37 | kbrooks | in teh fluxbox menu |
| 01:56.47 | Flimzy | markybob: huh? I don't think "If I had a Hammer" made any reference to escape sequences :P |
| 01:56.48 | kbrooks | Flimzy: ^^^ |
| 01:56.56 | jim | man_in_shack: hmm, I'm no good with cups, sorry |
| 01:57.05 | jim | I break em all the time |
| 01:57.09 | ferrus | man_in_shack: The printer probably has a user group you can add users to to let them use the printer |
| 01:57.17 | markybob | Flimzy, heh |
| 01:57.18 | man_in_shack | crw-rw-r-- 1 root lp 6, 0 Mar 15 2002 /dev/lp0 |
| 01:57.20 | Flimzy | markybob: I was critisizing his abuse of 60's lyrics... not of regular expressions :P |
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| 01:57.31 | markybob | Flimzy, ah |
| 01:57.31 | man_in_shack | user's groups includes lp |
| 01:57.36 | kbrooks | Flimzy: PING |
| 01:57.36 | Flimzy | kbrooks: Perhaps it's not installed? |
| 01:57.48 | kbrooks | Flimzy: i installed it |
| 01:57.54 | calin | man_in_shack: "adduser :lp <user you want to use the printer>" |
| 01:58.03 | man_in_shack | calin, already done that |
| 01:58.04 | man_in_shack | months ago |
| 01:58.06 | kbrooks | i wonder if i should use gnome intead |
| 01:58.09 | jim | man_in_shack: but see, cups or lpd is supposed to manage your ONE printer by letting ALL your users (ok, probably just you) share it |
| 01:58.19 | kbrooks | instead |
| 01:58.33 | calin | jim: no, that would be insecure |
| 01:58.37 | j_k | man_in_shack: or your multiple printers ;-) |
| 01:58.45 | man_in_shack | hehe |
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| 01:58.54 | kbrooks | calin: "ok, probably just you" |
| 01:58.57 | calin | jim: if all users could use your printer |
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| 01:59.25 | man_in_shack | so maybe i need to configure cupsd to permit my user to print? |
| 01:59.25 | jim | calin: all users on the one box (which is probably just him) |
| 01:59.26 | j_k | calin: they wouldn't if it serves no purpose to them... |
| 01:59.38 | Flimzy | man_in_shack: that's probably a good idea |
| 01:59.44 | man_in_shack | i don't know how to do that |
| 01:59.47 | man_in_shack | i'm guessing here |
| 01:59.48 | jim | man_in_shack: guessing here, but it sounds like it |
| 02:00.11 | jim | man_in_shack: that part you can easily learn to do |
| 02:00.15 | lenux | can someone help me with a failure status 5 in wine........wine chat nobodys talking |
| 02:00.22 | Flimzy | man_in_shack: Unless, of course, you're afraid you might abuse your printer. Then you might want to limit access to all users minus yourself... </stupid humor> |
| 02:00.31 | calin | lenux: that's cause they're all drunk |
| 02:00.40 | calin | jim, j_k: if all users could use it, and he gave someone a shell for some reason, and they set a weak password, someone could break in and start printing random stuff |
| 02:00.45 | lenux | well |
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| 02:00.58 | man_in_shack | Flimzy, well at the moment only root can print, and i only have one other useable user on this box |
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| 02:01.08 | jim | calin: ahh, a -shell- is a different story :) |
| 02:01.21 | calin | lol |
| 02:01.23 | khanman | are there any deb packages for either windows media player, quicktime or real player files? so i can like view trailers from IMDB? |
| 02:01.37 | jim | oh wait, I see what you mean |
| 02:01.40 | lenux | imma a noobie this can be used share files as well right |
| 02:01.42 | calin | I give people accounts, but i disable shell logins by making their shell /dev/null |
| 02:01.49 | jim | yes, there is always that possibility |
| 02:01.52 | j_k | calin: that wouldn't be a big deal compared to the simplicity of letting anyone that has a good reason to use it, that's what i meant. But of course it depends on how trusted the users are. |
| 02:02.05 | markybob | Khahan, you could get vlc. it has a mozilla plugin and plays just about everything, including wmv9 |
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| 02:02.23 | man_in_shack | khanman, try xine, vlc, totem or noatun |
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| 02:02.35 | khanman | Markaci, vlc is a .deb? |
| 02:02.45 | man_in_shack | khanman, apt-get install vlc |
| 02:02.48 | markybob | Khahan, vlc is a program |
| 02:02.51 | jrift | I use the windows versions of the media players under wine |
| 02:02.51 | khanman | man_in_shack, i have noatun installed |
| 02:03.00 | khanman | tnx mates |
| 02:03.03 | Flimzy | khanman: apt-get install xine (or mplayer if you like non-free stuff not included in the official Debian distribution) |
| 02:03.05 | lenux | does anyone know stuff about wine please....lol |
| 02:03.11 | jim | but say you were trying to restrict printing access... you could give each person you wanted to be able to print a login (which doesn't have to be a shell, could be just access to the resource) |
| 02:03.13 | man_in_shack | khanman, then try using noatun to play the trailors |
| 02:03.13 | wrd | how do i completly remove kde? |
| 02:03.22 | Flimzy | !tell lenux about ask |
| 02:03.26 | man_in_shack | wrd, with difficulty |
| 02:03.28 | calin | lenux: It's alcoholic |
| 02:03.35 | calin | and tastes good |
| 02:03.37 | Karlosis | wrd: apt-get remove kdelibs |
| 02:03.40 | khanman | coolio ;) |
| 02:03.41 | jrift | if you want to use wine, get winetools. it's the best thing since sliced bread |
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| 02:03.46 | markybob | wrd, completely? might wanna add --purge to that |
| 02:03.48 | Flimzy | is vlc only in unstable? |
| 02:04.02 | wrd | kdelibs sounds as if it could work :) thx |
| 02:04.02 | jrift | you can even run the most dangerous browser and email client in the world M$ |
| 02:04.12 | ziovan | I just installed Debian can anybody tell me how to get X working|? |
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| 02:04.25 | jrift | startx |
| 02:04.35 | ziovan | It says "Command not Found." |
| 02:04.41 | lenux | i got wine its just a few programs i get 5 failure on |
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| 02:04.53 | wrd | karlosis: perfect , that was the dependency i was looking for thanks very much |
| 02:05.01 | jim | suddenly you see in the air a large gray rectangle forming... |
| 02:05.21 | double_c | ziovan: msg apt set up x |
| 02:05.23 | lenux | winetools is wine and what |
| 02:05.40 | markybob | ziovan, want gnome? apt-get install gnome x-window-system |
| 02:06.01 | jrift | winetools contains set up scripts to automatically download and install windows software |
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| 02:06.18 | kbrooks | want kde? apt-get install kde |
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| 02:06.39 | kbrooks | and so on |
| 02:06.40 | jrift | it starts with ie to get all the important dll's then offers to set up winamp, wmp, quicktime, realplayer, office 2k, psp7, loads... |
| 02:06.44 | ziovan | I want um Enlightenment. |
| 02:07.09 | ziovan | I already apt-get installed Enlightenment but I can't get it running. |
| 02:07.10 | kbrooks | ziovan: apt-get install enlightenment |
| 02:07.11 | lenux | right i got that or least when i open exe wine runs i can get threw apt get? |
| 02:07.22 | soft | Somebody knows where can find the Gimp? |
| 02:07.23 | markybob | ziovan, because you didnt install x. like i said, x-window-system |
| 02:07.32 | kbrooks | ziovan: did you run gdm |
| 02:07.32 | calin | soft: apt-ge tinstall gimp |
| 02:07.34 | double_c | soft: in my garage :) |
| 02:07.36 | markybob | soft apt-cache search gimp |
| 02:08.04 | jrift | i went to the wine site, found winetools and followed their installation instructions |
| 02:08.06 | ziovan | Ok I'm installing x-window system now. |
| 02:08.18 | jrift | good luck z |
| 02:08.35 | man_in_shack | i still don't know how to configure cups permissions :| |
| 02:08.41 | calin | 3jrift: why not apt-get install wine? |
| 02:09.00 | jrift | you can install wine that way, but not winetools |
| 02:09.12 | calin | what is winetools? |
| 02:09.13 | jrift | i don't think you can anyway |
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| 02:09.51 | jrift | winetools is a fantastic load of setup scripts to get all the most complex windows software running under wine |
| 02:09.57 | soft | They forgive, I am starting to use the system now, and I do not know as much thing. |
| 02:09.58 | calin | meh |
| 02:10.06 | kbrooks | things* |
| 02:10.08 | jrift | psp, internet explorer, wmp, winamp, quicktime, realplayer |
| 02:10.09 | calin | i need to move my freakin root |
| 02:10.14 | jrift | all sorts |
| 02:10.17 | lenux | so aptget or not? |
| 02:10.22 | calin | 98% use on the partition |
| 02:10.38 | lenux | or threw site |
| 02:10.39 | kbrooks | ok, i have a problem |
| 02:10.41 | Biovore | wine dosn't run some of this stuff well |
| 02:10.54 | jrift | you can apt-get wine, but find the wine site and get winetools separately |
| 02:11.05 | clueless | Just installed ntpdate, which seems to be good enough for couple of personal computers, but man page says ntpd uses less resources. should I run ntdp instead of invoking ntpdate through cron? |
| 02:11.08 | lenux | k |
| 02:11.13 | Biovore | winetools kinda works.. but not realy |
| 02:11.24 | double_c | soft: apt-get install gimp will install it for you |
| 02:11.26 | jrift | it's worked fantastically well for me |
| 02:11.27 | lenux | ty should fix faulre probs then |
| 02:11.31 | njs | clueless: I recommend running chronyd instead of any of those things |
| 02:11.45 | calin | chronyd? |
| 02:12.04 | njs | clueless: using either chronyd or ntpd is much better than running ntpdate, though, because they avoid stepping the clock, and stepping the clock can make programs very confused. |
| 02:12.07 | soft | Thank you |
| 02:12.18 | Flimzy | clueless: IIRC, generally ntpdate is run at boot to get the clock 'nearly accurate' (within a few hundred ms). Then ntpd is run constantly, to keep the clock in sync. |
| 02:12.19 | double_c | np |
| 02:12.24 | calin | !tard |
| 02:12.24 | dpkg | i heard tard is short for retard; see <gentoo> |
| 02:12.29 | calin | hahahahahahaha |
| 02:12.46 | Flimzy | clueless: If it's just a desktop PC, you might be happy running ntpdate only, and updating the clock once on every boot. |
| 02:12.48 | kbrooks | lol |
| 02:12.51 | kbrooks | !gentoo |
| 02:12.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/, or ask me ... |
| 02:12.59 | soft | double_c I find that I obtained |
| 02:13.07 | double_c | soft: good :) |
| 02:13.14 | Flimzy | clueless: If you have a reason to keep several PCs within accurate sync of each other, it makes sense to run ntpd on all of them, all syncing to the same server(s). |
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| 02:13.44 | toresbe | !factinfo gentoo |
| 02:13.44 | dpkg | gentoo -- last modified at Sat Feb 26 00:54:42 2005 by toresbe!tsb@developer.skolelinux.no; it has been requested 14 times, last by kbrooks, 53s ago. |
| 02:13.49 | Flimzy | clueless: (that probably makes sense on NFS server/client situations, as well as any sort of distributed computing environment... and is generally a good idea for any servers) |
| 02:14.16 | toresbe | that's odd |
| 02:14.40 | njs | what do I have to do to use 2.6.11 with make-kpkg? make-kpkg likes to warn about needing a patched debian kernel, but AFAICT there is no debian patched 2.6.11 yet. |
| 02:14.49 | njs | (I would just use 2.6.10, but I need the oprofile updates in 2.6.11) |
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| 02:15.18 | Flimzy | njs: I've never used a patched kernel with make-kpkg |
| 02:15.39 | jrift | i'm so new to this that i've never compiled a kernel :) |
| 02:15.41 | Flimzy | njs: You could always apply the 2.6.11 patch to your 2.6.10 debian source tree |
| 02:15.59 | kbrooks | dpkg: |
| 02:16.06 | peetah | http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm is dead |
| 02:16.19 | njs | Flimzy: you've never used a you-patched kernel or you've never used a debian-patched kernel? :-) (i.e., you mean you actually download from kernel.org, rather than getting kernels-source-foo packages?) |
| 02:16.30 | kbrooks | dpkg: toresbe is <reply>a developer |
| 02:16.30 | dpkg | ...but toresbe is already something else... |
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| 02:16.34 | calin | omfg@man_in_shack |
| 02:16.38 | kbrooks | dpkg: toresbe |
| 02:16.38 | dpkg | well, toresbe is a retrogeek, or an insane coder of COBOL |
| 02:16.38 | Flimzy | njs: I've never used a debian kernel.. and rarely a me-patched kernel. |
| 02:16.51 | njs | Flimzy: nod. |
| 02:16.55 | njs | Flimzy: guess I might as well try :-) |
| 02:16.57 | Flimzy | njs: The last time I used a non-standard kernel patch was probably before I ever heard off make-kpkg (3+ years ago) |
| 02:16.58 | calin | njs: i do that also |
| 02:17.00 | double_c | man_in_shack: but how did root manage to print if it wansn't plugged it? |
| 02:17.00 | toresbe | toresbe is also a developer |
| 02:17.05 | toresbe | uh |
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| 02:17.06 | man_in_shack | it didn't |
| 02:17.08 | toresbe | !toresbe is also a developer |
| 02:17.08 | dpkg | okay, toresbe |
| 02:17.10 | protectoroflines | dpkg tell kurtman to make gproftpd-8.1.9 |
| 02:17.29 | kbrooks | dpkg: kbrooks is <reply>kbrooks is a insane python and ruby coder |
| 02:17.30 | dpkg | kbrooks: okay |
| 02:17.37 | double_c | man_in_shack: no worries, thought you said no-one but root could print |
| 02:17.40 | toresbe | !forget toresbe |
| 02:17.40 | toresbe | *sob* just like everyone else |
| 02:17.48 | kbrooks | dpkg: kbrooks |
| 02:17.48 | dpkg | kbrooks is a insane python and ruby coder |
| 02:17.51 | kbrooks | :0 |
| 02:17.52 | kbrooks | :)* |
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| 02:18.09 | protectoroflines | dpkg, stop botting me, i can easily outcode you ;) |
| 02:18.10 | calin | dpkg: calin is a weasel farmer! |
| 02:18.10 | dpkg | okay, calin |
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| 02:18.29 | man_in_shack | double_c, i unplugged it by accident when i repaired my network cable |
| 02:18.39 | protectoroflines | i assume someone watches the messages ? |
| 02:18.40 | man_in_shack | forgot to plug it in again |
| 02:18.46 | double_c | man_in_shack: sounds like the kind of thing I would do :-) |
| 02:18.48 | protectoroflines | good |
| 02:19.01 | Flimzy | Does anyone know of a web site with 'benchmarks' for varous video codecs? Specifically, I'm interested in knowing (if it's even possible to determine) how the quality of a, say, 800kbit/s Divx file compares to the quality of a 800kbit/s MPEG2 file, etc. |
| 02:19.21 | ziovan | I installed x-window-system and when I type startx the monitor shuts off. When I go back in the terminal it turns back on. |
| 02:19.54 | man_in_shack | double_c, and i think my problem was /var/spool/cups permissions |
| 02:19.59 | Flimzy | ziovan: You have your monitor misconfigured |
| 02:20.07 | j_k | ziovan: try to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, something's wrong here. |
| 02:20.10 | man_in_shack | need to fix that later |
| 02:20.11 | jrift | refresh rate? |
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| 02:20.52 | double_c | man_in_shack: I set stuff like cups up, then forget how it works. Then I'm stuck when it stops working 18 months later. |
| 02:20.55 | ziovan | j_k, I have an Nvidia card I don't know what to choose on the list that comes up NVidia isn't listed. |
| 02:21.12 | j_k | ziovan: use nv |
| 02:21.24 | jrift | get the driver from nvidia.com |
| 02:21.27 | man_in_shack | hehe |
| 02:21.38 | kbrooks | jrift: does he have to! |
| 02:21.46 | jrift | it's a simple binary installer |
| 02:21.47 | kbrooks | ziovan: use nv |
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| 02:21.57 | double_c | it's true, if the system broke more often, I'd remember how to fix it :) |
| 02:22.02 | jrift | and it's a great driver. tux racer runs really smoothly with it! |
| 02:22.03 | kbrooks | jrift: so? |
| 02:22.05 | j_k | jrift: it's at least not always necessary |
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| 02:22.41 | ziovan | It says Command Not Found for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:23.14 | double_c | ziovan: are you root? |
| 02:23.56 | kbrooks | ziovan: su root -- command |
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| 02:24.15 | Phati`- | hi :) |
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| 02:24.30 | Phati`- | einer da der deutsch spricht? |
| 02:24.47 | kbrooks | ziovan: type in your root password, and the command will be executed |
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| 02:25.11 | j_k | Phati`-: maybe you can try #debian-de ? |
| 02:25.17 | jrift | what's the difference between su root and sudo? |
| 02:25.23 | Phati`- | oh thx :) |
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| 02:26.01 | Phati`- | i have a question |
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| 02:26.04 | nn | off topic but i know there's UK people here.. how long is a usual UK residential # and any special things about it? :) |
| 02:26.09 | Phati`- | i am a linux newbie |
| 02:26.19 | Phati`- | it is a good idee to use debian? |
| 02:26.24 | double_c | nn: lived here for 37 years, didn't know it expired :-) |
| 02:26.30 | agiofws | yes it is |
| 02:26.33 | Phati`- | or should ich use suse or any else |
| 02:26.41 | j_k | Phati`-: it's always a good idea to use debian :-) |
| 02:26.45 | nn | i'm playing w/ audacity and synthesized a UK dialtone and ringback but gotta get make a real sounding DTMF sequand |
| 02:26.49 | Phati`- | *G* |
| 02:26.50 | nn | Phati`-: debian is seksay :) |
| 02:26.54 | Phati`- | hehe |
| 02:26.58 | jrift | a residential number has 4 or 5 digit area code beginning with 0 followed by 6 or 7 digits |
| 02:27.03 | Phati`- | wat is better ? |
| 02:27.05 | nn | i dumped my ex because she doesnt run debian |
| 02:27.10 | Phati`- | better thant suse? |
| 02:27.14 | agiofws | stability |
| 02:27.14 | khanman | man_in_shack, actually i was hoping to play streaming video using a plugin for like firefox or konq |
| 02:27.17 | Phati`- | löl nn |
| 02:27.20 | jrift | omit the leading 0 from the area code if dialling internationally |
| 02:27.40 | jrift | eg. 01435 776655 = +441435776655 |
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| 02:29.06 | jtth_ | how do i redirect messages from the kernel away from standard out? |
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| 02:29.23 | MobyTurbo | khanman: mplayer, videolan, and helix all can use a moz/firefox plugin. |
| 02:29.31 | calin | would it be possible to merge a partition with another without losing data in one of them? |
| 02:29.32 | Phati`- | cya all :) |
| 02:29.32 | nn | jrift: so [filter gen_tone('UKDialTone', 0.8)],[filter gen_dtmf('01435776655')],[silence(0.05)],[filter gen_tone('UKRingBack', 5)] or so? |
| 02:29.34 | nn | ;) |
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| 02:30.05 | MobyTurbo | khanman: also some other programs can run as psuedo-plugins using mozplugger. |
| 02:30.14 | tct | why dosent gcc have pre compiled headers? |
| 02:30.20 | Biovore | like mplayer :-) |
| 02:30.33 | jrift | probably |
| 02:30.42 | jrift | i can't hear the result |
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| 02:31.05 | jrift | can't you just sample your modem dialling the uk? |
| 02:31.06 | EvanCarroll | what good would a precompiled header be for gcc? |
| 02:31.09 | nn | jrift: i can stick it up on ogg :) |
| 02:31.17 | calin | would it be possible to merge a partition with another without losing data in one of them? |
| 02:31.32 | protectoroflines | you all know that most governments wants to 0wn sheit right ? |
| 02:31.32 | protectoroflines | they want to be the biggest and baddest there is |
| 02:31.32 | protectoroflines | what if they could black out 80-90% of the computing world by advertising (radiosilence) ?and we who dont have flash or realplyer etc will maybe be the other 10-20%.. |
| 02:31.32 | protectoroflines | has a page ever crashed your browser (maybe an ad) ?.. an overflow and what's running in you systems now ?.. weird shit |
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| 02:31.37 | nn | jrift: no, sadly i dont have the stuff to do that.. basicly i'm wanting to record a lead-in for a song of dialtone,dial,ringback,answer, then music ;) |
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| 02:31.43 | jrift | i'm not even running a gui at the moment. i'm keeping my laptop dark and quiet so as not to wake the missus up |
| 02:31.55 | protectoroflines | hmm, got the whole thing ? |
| 02:31.56 | nn | ahh :) |
| 02:31.57 | nn | its ok |
| 02:32.02 | agiofws | missus? |
| 02:32.02 | nn | i think i got it ok :) |
| 02:32.13 | jrift | she's asleep next to me |
| 02:32.15 | nn | teh wifey, prolly |
| 02:32.22 | jrift | yep |
| 02:32.29 | calin | would it be possible to merge a partition with another without losing data in one of them? |
| 02:32.35 | nn | hah.. my gf is too unreliable to marry... |
| 02:32.40 | jrift | so |
| 02:32.41 | protectoroflines | dont compute while cuddeling, its imploite |
| 02:32.45 | jrift | so's mine |
| 02:32.47 | MobyTurbo | !possible |
| 02:32.47 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 02:32.58 | nn | she's like dosfs :( |
| 02:33.01 | jrift | i just refer to her that way bcause we've been together so long |
| 02:33.04 | j_k | calin: you must copy the data from the second partition somewhere else, delete this partition, extend the first and then copy the data back. |
| 02:33.09 | protectoroflines | heh, kidz |
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| 02:33.16 | Flimzy | calin: Not with any standard filesystems. |
| 02:33.16 | Flimzy | calin: Let me rephrase... not with any filesystems I'm aware of or can imagine existing. |
| 02:33.16 | MobyTurbo | nn: you mean your gf is FAT? |
| 02:33.17 | calin | j_k: thank you |
| 02:33.24 | ziovan | What's the package name for firefox? |
| 02:33.30 | nn | MobyTurbo: hardly |
| 02:33.31 | EvanCarroll | mozilla-firefox |
| 02:33.31 | calin | Flimzy: ext3 |
| 02:33.36 | nn | she's just unreliable hah |
| 02:33.43 | kbrooks | jtth_: ziovan: mozilla-firefix |
| 02:33.45 | kbrooks | fox |
| 02:33.47 | Xenguy | ziovan: dpkg -l *firefox* |
| 02:33.48 | kbrooks | gr |
| 02:33.52 | protectoroflines | aww, no good |
| 02:33.53 | double_c | ziovan: apt-cache search firefox |
| 02:33.59 | nn | she lacks priorities and a good scheduler :P~ |
| 02:34.01 | j_k | calin: be careful ! |
| 02:34.18 | MobyTurbo | Flimzy: Partition Magic can merge NTFS, and maybe FAT too. |
| 02:34.34 | double_c | nn: I always thought the wife *was* the scheduler :) |
| 02:34.39 | Flimzy | calin: it's definately not possible with ext3. But you knew that, since I said it wasn't possible with any filesystem I knew of, and you can be sure I know of ext3. |
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| 02:34.41 | calin | j_k: meh, this is extra space and my root partition =\ |
| 02:34.59 | tct | EvanCarroll: speed up compilation times, that is what they are for |
| 02:35.03 | Flimzy | MobyTurbo: that's a fancy trick. |
| 02:35.10 | maketo | Flimzy : what about reiserfs? |
| 02:35.20 | maketo | Flimzy : I thought it can be extended on the fly |
| 02:35.21 | MobyTurbo | Flimzy: using logical volumes Linux can do that with any filesystem |
| 02:35.34 | Flimzy | maketo: extending and merging are COMPLETELY different things |
| 02:35.35 | j_k | maketo: it's about merging two partitions |
| 02:35.40 | calin | what about a sofware raid, how difficult is that to set up? |
| 02:35.42 | maketo | yeah, vgs and lvs are the solution |
| 02:35.46 | maketo | j_k: uh, sorry |
| 02:36.00 | maketo | calin: on an existing, running system? not that easy |
| 02:36.01 | Flimzy | calin: it's not terribly difficult. |
| 02:36.02 | kbrooks | it is not |
| 02:36.08 | j_k | calin: not much, but it doesn't address your problem |
| 02:36.26 | Flimzy | calin: But software raid on two partitions on the same drive woudl be a horrible idea |
| 02:36.30 | j_k | calin: you want raid for using different hard disks together |
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| 02:36.44 | calin | oh |
| 02:36.45 | calin | =\ |
| 02:36.48 | calin | man |
| 02:36.49 | jrift | the drive head would be thrashing like you wouldn't believe |
| 02:36.57 | jrift | try it and let us know how warm it all gets |
| 02:37.02 | calin | hahaha |
| 02:37.20 | calin | i'll use one of my 512MB hard drives and tell you how it goes |
| 02:37.36 | maketo | 512MB hdd? wow |
| 02:37.37 | calin | if it gets hot enough, i'm going to allways have a way to cook food in my dorm room! |
| 02:37.40 | jrift | nice. i've got a 120 meg one that i may sacrifice to something like that |
| 02:37.43 | agiofws | why do you wantto merge the partitions? |
| 02:37.47 | calin | maketo: yeah, i have like 10 of them |
| 02:38.06 | maketo | I thought I was bad keeping 9.2 gb drives around ;) |
| 02:38.07 | calin | agiofws: because when i installed debian i did it as a ingle partition |
| 02:38.16 | j_k | calin: then you can use RAID in the right way :-) |
| 02:38.20 | jrift | what'd happen if you just wrote new partition layout information into the table? |
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| 02:38.34 | jrift | i guess you'd lose the second partitions directory information |
| 02:38.39 | calin | i don' |
| 02:38.49 | calin | i don';t care about the data on the second partition |
| 02:38.50 | calin | it's only porn |
| 02:38.56 | jrift | LOL |
| 02:38.57 | calin | 14gb of it |
| 02:39.04 | double_c | shocking! |
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| 02:39.06 | agiofws | whats bad about having everything on one partition? |
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| 02:39.20 | calin | the fact that it's a 9 gb partition and it's 98% full |
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| 02:39.29 | double_c | agiofws: if you want to reinstall, you lose all your personal files |
| 02:39.35 | jrift | i hate that with partitions |
| 02:39.36 | nn | and that was the gf.. |
| 02:39.36 | agiofws | yeah |
| 02:39.51 | maketo | i'm having an interesting experience, I switched cable providers and all of a sudden thunderbird wont connect to any of my smtp servers |
| 02:40.00 | nn | 0wned my leet dialup with her dialing skills *sigh* |
| 02:40.00 | maketo | although I can telnet to their ports 25 |
| 02:40.04 | agiofws | sou you install your /home one another partition? |
| 02:40.08 | calin | nn: hahahah |
| 02:40.09 | double_c | maketo: can you ping the server? |
| 02:40.17 | calin | nn: sounds like you gf has some nice hands... |
| 02:40.20 | maketo | double_c : I can telnet to its port 25 |
| 02:40.20 | double_c | agiofws: yes |
| 02:40.27 | travisat | I accidently killed my home partition todat |
| 02:40.34 | nn | calin: she has priority override PIN :P~ |
| 02:40.41 | maketo | double_c : any other ideas? :) |
| 02:40.47 | calin | nn: eh? |
| 02:40.49 | agiofws | so just add a partition..and cp home tothat one... |
| 02:40.55 | jrift | where is the file that describes which folders belong to which device? |
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| 02:41.12 | double_c | maketo: the smtp server of your old ISP? many isp mailservers disallow relaying from outside thier own network |
| 02:41.21 | j_k | maketo: they must be rejecting you becaouse of your now-external IP address |
| 02:41.23 | nn | gets extension busy notification, dials priority PIN and it reenables call waiting notification tones ;) |
| 02:41.37 | maketo | double_c : no, stuff that is ISP independent (the smtp servers) |
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| 02:41.56 | double_c | maketo: if you can telnet to it, try making an email manually |
| 02:41.56 | calin | can i boot under a live cd, copy all data from the root partition to a larger partition, install grub on the new partition, and re-format the other partition, could i boot corrently again? |
| 02:42.03 | calin | correctly* |
| 02:42.04 | omlette | anyone here know how to disable font smoothing? i need my fonts to be crisp, not blurry |
| 02:42.22 | maketo | double_c : yeah, I was hoping not to do that (hate to dig into the protocol to see how to do it correctly) |
| 02:42.35 | jrift | under kde there's an option in the control center for fonts called anti-aliasing |
| 02:42.43 | omlette | im using gnome |
| 02:42.43 | double_c | maketo: doing it manually might show you where it fails |
| 02:42.45 | nn | and i disappear to hacking some audio |
| 02:42.51 | nn | jrift: grati mir ;) |
| 02:43.00 | jrift | yw |
| 02:43.01 | maketo | double_c : I guess (poor lazy me) |
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| 02:43.29 | double_c | maketo: having scripted a mail dialogue in vb, you have my sympathies :-) |
| 02:43.35 | jrift | dunno under gnome. |
| 02:43.41 | j_k | calin: if you didn't do something wrong yes |
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| 02:43.45 | maketo | double_c : haha |
| 02:43.49 | omlette | damn |
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| 02:43.59 | double_c | maketo: actually, it's not that hard. only about 4 messages to send a mail |
| 02:43.59 | j_k | calin: but be sure to know what you're doing. |
| 02:44.15 | maketo | double_c : you have any quick google links handy? |
| 02:44.22 | jrift | i've written vb mail components too! |
| 02:44.33 | kbrooks | lol http://www.mslinux.org |
| 02:44.35 | kbrooks | tpfl |
| 02:44.39 | maketo | isn't it the first command something like "HELO" |
| 02:44.43 | jrift | yes |
| 02:44.45 | kbrooks | s/org/com/ |
| 02:44.46 | double_c | maketo: soz, no. It was months ago at work, and it's saturday night and I'm at home :) |
| 02:44.56 | jrift | HELO username |
| 02:45.02 | maketo | jrift: thanks |
| 02:45.03 | jrift | 200 OK |
| 02:45.08 | omlette | well uh maybe i'll have better luck with this: anyone know how to get a soundblaster audigy 2 to work? i keep getting "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device)" |
| 02:45.10 | calin | j_k could you /msg me and talk to me about how i would proceed with it, then i can give it a heave ho on my own? |
| 02:45.23 | j_k | calin: ok |
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| 02:45.39 | maketo | can it be that my new ISP allows outgoing port 25 but denies incoming traffic back? |
| 02:45.45 | maketo | but that would be stupid and impossible |
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| 02:46.19 | double_c | maketo: no, coz your machine connects from a high port to port 25 |
| 02:46.31 | maketo | double_c : yeah that's what I thought |
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| 02:47.17 | Huddlebum | .wc |
| 02:47.17 | double_c | maketo: try walking it through using telnet, see where it goes wrong. Also, check you mail user agent log |
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| 02:47.32 | thingfish | Crissy^^ is spamming at join with porn links. |
| 02:47.59 | double_c | thingfish: are the links any good? :) |
| 02:48.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:48.20 | maketo | double_c : I was going to fire up tcpdump in one window (or maybe ethereal) and then do the telnet session in the other |
| 02:48.26 | EvanCarroll | !admins Crissy^^ onjoin spam bot |
| 02:48.27 | ^c | EvanCarroll: someone said that Crissy^^ is spamming at join with porn links |
| 02:48.29 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 02:48.30 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@81.213.252.43] by helix |
| 02:48.30 | *** part/#debian Crissy^^ (~vfds@81.213.252.43) |
| 02:48.32 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 02:48.41 | thingfish | yay |
| 02:48.41 | helix | I'm going to eventually end up banning all the IPs on the internet ;/ |
| 02:48.47 | thingfish | boy really |
| 02:48.56 | double_c | maketo: I assume you have checked your mailer error log, it might be easier :) |
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| 02:49.28 | maketo | double_c : yeah, that is a good idea ;) |
| 02:49.31 | EvanCarroll | helix: hahah trojan irc bots so funny, i wonder if they hardcode the channel into it or they jump in every channel and spam |
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| 02:50.13 | calin | /permban * |
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| 02:51.45 | jrift | it takes ages to process all possible ip's once. i was given the unpleasent job of writing some code to send a microsft net message to every possible ip. it took a very long time to complete it's run |
| 02:52.03 | jrift | it was multi-threaded under vb and very unstable too :) |
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| 02:52.08 | double_c | jrift: net send * Bolloks ? |
| 02:52.16 | jrift | yeah |
| 02:52.28 | satHan | jrift: why would you send something to every possible ip?? |
| 02:52.31 | jrift | complete bollocks. the company annoyed a lot of people |
| 02:52.46 | jrift | advertising a url. don't shoot me - i was following orders |
| 02:52.55 | double_c | jrift: on the internet? I thougt you meant the LAN |
| 02:53.02 | jrift | yes, the internet |
| 02:53.08 | satHan | jrift: fair enough. IP multicast wasn't what you wanted? |
| 02:53.16 | double_c | bet it was you that got me last year :) |
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| 02:53.53 | jrift | i had to bang something out as quickly as I knew how. I didn't know how to use multicast at the time, but i did know how to send individual messages and launch multiple threads |
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| 02:54.19 | jrift | my boss gives me an hour or two to create a working tool |
| 02:54.25 | double_c | jrift: did it bring the company's machine to its knees? |
| 02:54.37 | satHan | jrift: I remember the first time I crashed my box, I was writing a ping scanning tool and forgot to close a for() loop |
| 02:54.49 | jrift | no. we ran it on a dedicated machine |
| 02:54.56 | satHan | jrift: it ended up spawning 2^32 odd threads, took down a quad processor with 3 gigs ram |
| 02:55.23 | satHan | jrift: not to mention crashing our router. so if anybody needs a 20 line bash DoS :-)... |
| 02:55.38 | jrift | lol. i did that to a web server by forgetting to use movenext in a loop through a recordset and the page timeout was really long because i'd forgotten the unis |
| 02:56.01 | double_c | satHan: how many remote hosts did you hit before it failed? |
| 02:56.03 | jrift | lol. i'm perfectly capable of crashing my own router and the one at work! |
| 02:56.11 | jrift | we hit them all. |
| 02:56.22 | double_c | all 2^32 ? |
| 02:56.25 | jrift | each time the machine crashed, we'd reset it and carry on |
| 02:56.27 | satHan | double_c: nope |
| 02:56.40 | satHan | double_c: the router survived until about 120.x.x.x |
| 02:56.49 | jrift | all 2^32 excluding 10.*, 169.*, 192.* and 255.* |
| 02:57.00 | satHan | double_c: and by then I realized the mistake, since my box had completely frozen up |
| 02:57.12 | satHan | double_c: oh the joys of not using ulimit |
| 02:57.16 | double_c | satHan: so you didn't complete the calss A space? |
| 02:57.20 | double_c | (class) |
| 02:57.36 | satHan | double_c: it started at 1.0.0.1 |
| 02:57.44 | satHan | and incremented one up from there |
| 02:57.55 | satHan | so almost halfway done before the router died |
| 02:58.14 | jrift | how long? |
| 02:58.20 | double_c | satHan: you hit nearly all the class a networks |
| 02:58.39 | satHan | the box froze up after about 20 seconds, another 5 minutes before the router went down |
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| 02:58.59 | satHan | double_c: yeah, one ICMP packet each |
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| 02:59.11 | jrift | it probably crashed under the weight of the replies :) |
| 02:59.22 | double_c | satHan: how were you counting? a.b.c.d with d being incremented fastest? |
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| 02:59.48 | satHan | double_c: yeah couple nested loops. I had meant to have it only run over 192.168.x.x |
| 02:59.56 | jack|h | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.18 | satHan | jack|h: Does it work better on any other comps on your network? Sure its the laptop? |
| 03:00.28 | double_c | satHan: at least it wasn't deliberate then |
| 03:00.52 | jack|h | satHan: yes. transfers between my desktop (windows) and my old ghetto laptop are full speed both over wireless and wired. |
| 03:00.52 | satHan | double_c: Yeah I'm not really interested in which hosts are up |
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| 03:01.06 | jrift | see if this helps with the slow networking |
| 03:01.09 | jack|h | satHan: and they both get the full speed off the internet. |
| 03:01.16 | jrift | http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread28396-1.html |
| 03:01.28 | satHan | jack|h: if your network driver is a module, try re-insmoding it with a parameter for full-duplex 100mbps |
| 03:01.32 | double_c | satHan: I'm a little fuzzy on this, but were you sending to every network's broadcast address? |
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| 03:01.33 | satHan | sometimes they auto-detect badly |
| 03:01.40 | samlander | greetings |
| 03:01.45 | samlander | can someone help me out with the date command? |
| 03:01.51 | satHan | satHan: Nope, just iterating over machine IPs |
| 03:01.59 | satHan | samlander: what do you need? |
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| 03:02.05 | samlander | date set="?whatformat?" |
| 03:02.07 | double_c | gotcha |
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| 03:02.26 | satHan | samlander: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:02.31 | samlander | set the date back 3 days |
| 03:02.41 | satHan | ahh |
| 03:02.48 | jack|h | satHan: hrm... I'll check ecn, but i'm pretty sure it's not on. I seem to remember my router dropping packets with that turned on awhile ago so i turned it off. :) |
| 03:03.01 | jack|h | satHan: mii-tool says that it's on as full duplex 100mbit/s |
| 03:03.15 | jack|h | satHan: and I turned off ipv6. |
| 03:03.31 | satHan | jack|h: hmm.. |
| 03:04.07 | jack|h | yep, ecn is off |
| 03:04.08 | ^c | Do you think yep, ecn is off? |
| 03:04.21 | jack|h | what? |
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| 03:04.46 | jack|h | oh, and i am the laziest person on the planet. Instead of leaning over to type on the laptop keyboard, I ssh'd into it on this computer. :) |
| 03:04.50 | satHan | samlander: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/time.html |
| 03:04.59 | samlander | ty! |
| 03:05.26 | jrift | lol. i vnc'd our lounge pc so i didn't have to lean forward to shut it down |
| 03:05.44 | samlander | lol |
| 03:07.18 | sanxiyn | bogosort --version prints, appropriately, "There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE." |
| 03:07.38 | njan | jrift, your point? :p |
| 03:07.43 | njan | jrift, I do this all the time :p |
| 03:07.57 | jack|h | satHan: any other ideas? TCP window scaling is off |
| 03:08.09 | jrift | I need help. My dell inspiron 1000, C2.2Ghz,256Mb,Debian,Kernel 2.6.8 enters standby when i close the lid but does not fire up again when i open the lid and press the power button. |
| 03:08.17 | jrift | can anyone offer any pointers? |
| 03:08.57 | jrift | when i press the button to wake it, the lights flash as they do under windows but nothing else happens. |
| 03:09.23 | jrift | to get the laptop awake again. i have to press and hold power until it powers down completely then restart it (messy) |
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| 03:10.30 | travisat | debian is great |
| 03:10.30 | ^c | Do you think debian is great? |
| 03:11.31 | jrift | i ended up installing debian as a result of pissing about with knoppix and realising that even from cd, knopping was running faster on this machine than fc3 |
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| 03:11.53 | bob2 | jrift: acpi is broken on lots of machines |
| 03:12.05 | bob2 | usually because the manufacturer is useless |
| 03:12.22 | jrift | thanks, bob. at least it's not just me not doing something. |
| 03:12.23 | bob2 | jrift: trying the kernel on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting might help |
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| 03:13.02 | jrift | thanks. i will, not tonight though - it's past 3am |
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| 03:13.19 | jrift | one quick way to hose my system is to log in as root after 3am |
| 03:14.07 | Agrajag- | how can i get exim to use maildir_home instead of mail_spool ? i have the config split into several files |
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| 03:14.21 | bob2 | jrift: haha, sensible |
| 03:14.36 | jrift | nice relevant looking link bob, thanks a lot! |
| 03:15.09 | bob2 | np |
| 03:15.25 | bob2 | suspend to disk should work on all machines nowadays, too |
| 03:15.33 | bob2 | (since it doesn't require working acpi) |
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| 03:15.52 | jrift | oh good. i'll set up for that instead. it's still a lot quicker than shutting down |
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| 03:16.06 | bob2 | heh, yeah |
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| 03:16.16 | bob2 | one problem is that it's sometimes broken with DRI and XFree86 |
| 03:16.23 | bob2 | (depending on the video chipset) |
| 03:16.54 | jrift | it's sis |
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| 03:17.06 | bob2 | hm, don't know in that case |
| 03:17.27 | jrift | i'll try just using suspend to disk first. i hope it's compiled |
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| 03:18.25 | jrift | ok. it's set. |
| 03:18.25 | bob2 | the kernel on that page includes swsusp support |
| 03:18.52 | jharrison | does alsa use /dev/dsp? |
| 03:18.57 | petemc | Agrajag-: it doesnt ask you when you run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
| 03:19.10 | bob2 | jharrison: no |
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| 03:19.17 | jharrison | bob2: what device does it use? |
| 03:19.20 | jrift | thanks for your advice bob. i'm going to go to bed now |
| 03:19.23 | bob2 | jharrison: but the ALSA OSS Compatibility modules provide that |
| 03:19.28 | jrift | goodnight everyone |
| 03:19.29 | bob2 | jrift: np, 'night |
| 03:19.33 | bob2 | jharrison: /dev/snd/pcm* |
| 03:19.38 | jharrison | ah |
| 03:19.46 | jharrison | bob2: did you ever play with rrdtool? |
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| 03:20.21 | petemc | jharrison: did you get dbca working ok? |
| 03:20.50 | jharrison | petemc: nope |
| 03:20.58 | jharrison | petemc: but the database server installed |
| 03:21.01 | jharrison | petemc: dont know if it works or not |
| 03:21.27 | petemc | jharrison: did you edit the script to change the path to a working JRE? |
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| 03:21.56 | sanxiyn | jharrison: I have played with rrdtool. |
| 03:22.02 | brk_ | question for the room |
| 03:22.40 | brk_ | how does one enable the highlight="copy to clipboard" function |
| 03:22.49 | brk_ | new sarge install |
| 03:22.55 | satHan | brk_: for what programs? |
| 03:23.12 | brk_ | satHan: universal |
| 03:23.21 | brk_ | as it was in the olden days |
| 03:23.28 | satHan | brk_: it should be enabled by default |
| 03:23.30 | sanxiyn | brk_: Works for me. |
| 03:23.34 | brk_ | it is not |
| 03:24.00 | satHan | brk_: something in your X config then, but I thought it was the default behavior |
| 03:24.03 | brk_ | I just tried to copy top... got the old content |
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| 03:24.32 | sanxiyn | (Some stupid Python utility to overload operators for RRDtool RPN expression: http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/tmp/rpnwrite.py) |
| 03:24.34 | brk_ | this is, afaik, a default x configuration |
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| 03:25.54 | bob2 | jharrison: a little |
| 03:26.02 | bob2 | but I got mrtg working first, and then I went to sleep |
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| 03:26.51 | bob2 | I should try to strap rrdtool to snmp, then cricket to that |
| 03:26.52 | brk_ | I had the same problem with fedora core, could it be something in the toshiba laptop setup that prevents the "highlight=copy to clipboard" ? |
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| 03:27.34 | sanxiyn | brk_: Unlikely... |
| 03:27.39 | jharrison | bob2: good stuff |
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| 03:29.01 | fflush | where I can find pre-build linux-2.4 kernel images with xen12 support ? |
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| 03:29.16 | fflush | I ma stuck trying to build one for the past 2 hours |
| 03:29.17 | bob2 | brk_: it depends on the app |
| 03:29.26 | fflush | this is so frustratin |
| 03:29.26 | ^c | I heard that this is so frustratin |
| 03:29.30 | bob2 | X has two clipboards, not all programs put the selection into it |
| 03:29.32 | brk_ | I recall there was a move to "windowize" some of the environments ie: KDE and Gnome |
| 03:29.43 | bob2 | no, not in that regard |
| 03:30.14 | brk_ | hmmm |
| 03:30.24 | sanxiyn | brk_: Where does highlight&mid-click fail for you? Everywhere? |
| 03:30.41 | brk_ | universally it seems |
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| 03:30.49 | brk_ | even in terminal |
| 03:30.59 | bob2 | ^c: hello |
| 03:30.59 | ^c | Yo momma knows about hello! |
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| 03:31.30 | brk_ | actually, I never used "midclick" |
| 03:31.48 | satHan | brk_: thats what you have to do to paste... |
| 03:31.53 | brk_ | perhaps I SHOULD MAKE SURE X SEES A 2-BUTTON MOUSE? |
| 03:31.53 | satHan | brk_: or have emulate 3 buttons turned on |
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| 03:31.58 | brk_ | oops |
| 03:32.16 | satHan | brk_: you try and paste by clicking button 1 and 2 at the same time? |
| 03:32.16 | bob2 | er |
| 03:32.25 | lkhaos | my nvidia drivers are driving me crazy |
| 03:32.28 | bob2 | if you select something, you won't be able to paste it with the "paste" menu option |
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| 03:32.44 | bob2 | middle-click is the only way to paste fro mthe primary selection |
| 03:32.45 | brk_ | hard with a toshiba laptop |
| 03:32.49 | sanxiyn | bob2: It's sometimes possible though. |
| 03:32.57 | bob2 | right, you need Emulate3 buttons |
| 03:33.02 | bob2 | or whatever the option is called |
| 03:33.05 | bob2 | but this sounds like your problem |
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| 03:33.18 | j_k | brk_: try clicking both buttons together, maybe you activated this. |
| 03:33.21 | sanxiyn | bob2: XChat seems to copy selection to clipboard, as well as primary selection. |
| 03:33.22 | satHan | brk_: yeah, when you have emualte 3 buttons turned on pressing both 1 and 2 at once |
| 03:33.41 | bob2 | sanxiyn: right |
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| 03:34.41 | sanxiyn | But "select & mid-click" and "cut & paste (with keyboard or context menu)" both seems to always work for me. |
| 03:34.48 | sanxiyn | (Mixing two sometimes work, sometimes not.) |
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| 03:34.57 | bob2 | mixing only works if things do what xchat dos |
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| 03:40.01 | jope | Hello! |
| 03:40.08 | drp | #flood I posted my x windows config ... for some reason there were two mouse config sections in it ... long story short I took one of them out and it gave me an error when starting X |
| 03:40.19 | bob2 | it's fine to have two |
| 03:40.28 | jope | Just got debian installed on my laptop, so far it's working great! :) |
| 03:40.31 | drp | well |
| 03:40.32 | valdyn | drp: so put it back? |
| 03:40.50 | drp | I didnt' want my mouse to be on /dev/input/mouse |
| 03:40.56 | valdyn | drp: nothing wrong with having several mouse sections |
| 03:40.59 | bob2 | drp: why? |
| 03:41.03 | drp | because scroll doesnt' work |
| 03:41.08 | drp | /dev/psaux |
| 03:41.09 | bob2 | er |
| 03:41.14 | bob2 | I really doubt that is the problem |
| 03:41.21 | drp | it was |
| 03:41.26 | drp | it works on /dev/psaux |
| 03:41.30 | bob2 | no |
| 03:41.33 | drp | yeah k |
| 03:41.40 | bob2 | the problem would be the lack of ZAxisMapping lines |
| 03:41.47 | drp | well i did nothing but take out that section and it gave me an error when loading x |
| 03:41.53 | drp | something about the parsing of the config file |
| 03:42.29 | bob2 | that paste wa fucked |
| 03:42.39 | bob2 | but I bet your StartSections and EndSections don't match up |
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| 03:44.20 | EvanCarroll | drp: try /dev/psaux should return the same information as /dev/input/mouse |
| 03:44.38 | EvanCarroll | drp: you might want to make sure you have 3rd button emulation turned off in your XF84-Config |
| 03:44.46 | frame | hello |
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| 03:45.09 | bob2 | travisat: no, it hasn't |
| 03:45.22 | bob2 | please don't bring in such silly bots in future |
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| 03:45.36 | frame | anyone know where i can find a slideshow screensaver for pictures ? |
| 03:45.54 | valdyn | !xmd5 |
| 03:45.54 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then ... |
| 03:45.54 | bob2 | frame: xscreensaver can run most any program as a screensaver |
| 03:46.13 | valdyn | drp: read what dpkg said, fix it, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:46.36 | valdyn | drp: ...or fix your XF86Config-4 manually |
| 03:46.37 | frame | bob2 so i should just make xscreensaver run a slideshow app? |
| 03:46.51 | bob2 | frame: I don't know about "should", but you can |
| 03:46.57 | bob2 | maybe it already has a hack for it |
| 03:47.03 | frame | hack? |
| 03:47.12 | bob2 | that's what it calls the screensaver modules |
| 03:47.14 | double_c | fix |
| 03:47.20 | sanxiyn | frame: xscreensaver jargon for screen saver module |
| 03:47.20 | frame | ahh |
| 03:47.21 | radiodurans | how can i diagnose if im having a hard drive, mobo, or power supply problem? i think maybe the promise controller went bad cause it isnt detecting anything...but hard drive is making noise...non-boot disk error... |
| 03:47.21 | sanxiyn | oops late |
| 03:47.22 | BR_ | anyone have any ideas why fetchmail is so damn crippled? :( |
| 03:47.25 | mrhemlock | chbg will do slide show with xscreensaver |
| 03:47.32 | BR_ | </moan> |
| 03:47.37 | bob2 | BR_: esr wrote it. |
| 03:47.49 | sanxiyn | bob2: Good explanation, I guess... |
| 03:47.52 | darkcmd | configuration file /etc/console-tools/config |
| 03:47.58 | darkcmd | Keep file, show differences, background process, install package mantainer version |
| 03:47.58 | double_c | radiodurans: put the drive in another machine if you can |
| 03:48.01 | darkcmd | what should I do |
| 03:48.12 | TheEmperor | hello |
| 03:48.15 | bob2 | darkcmd: the default is fine |
| 03:48.28 | radiodurans | double_c: thanks...il have to build it first... |
| 03:48.40 | BR_ | bob2: it does so many _strange_ things, non RFC Complaint things, and well, ignores stuff at random! |
| 03:48.59 | bob2 | BR_: heh, yeah, that's why I switched to offlineimap |
| 03:49.04 | bob2 | aside from it's general awesomeness |
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| 03:50.10 | BR_ | bob2: its strange, i mean, it introduces this CAPA command to pop3 that the server is soposed to reply with what it can do (non RFC command). then you tell it you can't do TOP and it still tries to god damn use it! and it does top 1 9999999 style, why not just retr! god damn silly app. |
| 03:50.13 | BR_ | </moan again> |
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| 03:50.32 | darkcmd | bob2, what was the default? |
| 03:50.42 | bob2 | darkcmd: "hit enter" |
| 03:50.44 | radiodurans | if the hard drive is fine what do i do to determine if it is the mobo or the power supply? remove power supply and try it on a different computer? |
| 03:50.56 | bob2 | BR_: hah |
| 03:51.19 | double_c | radiodurans: what are you seeing. Does the BIOS startup ok? |
| 03:51.20 | BR_ | bob2: its damn stupid, can we shoot the writers? :) |
| 03:51.24 | darkcmd | bob2, was it y or n.. I accidently did y |
| 03:51.32 | bob2 | BR_: haha, with miy blessing |
| 03:51.39 | bob2 | darkcmd: it doesn't really matter |
| 03:52.00 | BR_ | bob2: can I have that in writing for the police? "He told me to do it! he has a @ sign!" :) |
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| 03:52.17 | radiodurans | double_c: when the promise controller starts it lists all the D0 D1 etc as not connected |
| 03:52.29 | double_c | BR_: it's your right, F**k the police! ;-) |
| 03:52.30 | radiodurans | double_c: but i can go into bio |
| 03:52.39 | BR_ | anyways I am moaning too much, time to go to sleep (btw, Thunderbird is no better. pile of s**t) |
| 03:52.45 | brk_ | sorry: dinner interrupted |
| 03:53.09 | double_c | radiodurans: do you have another HDD to try in the machine? |
| 03:53.09 | bob2 | BR_: haha |
| 03:53.22 | bob2 | BR_: offlineimap! |
| 03:53.26 | cast | right, this alsa stuff is confusing me. how do I know i'm using alsa and not oss? dmesg shows that alsa found the soundcard[s], but alsaconf fails to run :\ |
| 03:53.31 | radiodurans | double_c: i could probably find one... |
| 03:53.36 | BR_ | i mean, that just tries using the commands and then just bitches when they don't work! |
| 03:53.38 | satHan | cast: what program? |
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| 03:53.51 | sanxiyn | BR_: fetchmail is a monster, because it tried to fight monsters. |
| 03:53.54 | BR_ | bob2: I'm writing a POP3 server... and well, trying to stick to the spec |
| 03:53.59 | double_c | radiodurans: you could use that to rule oout the hard drive |
| 03:54.02 | radiodurans | <eyeing his roomates desktop> |
| 03:54.12 | bob2 | BR_: ah, ok |
| 03:54.13 | sanxiyn | BR_: The fact is, it works with wide variety of non-compliant servers. :( |
| 03:54.15 | BR_ | bob2: and get away with being cheap and not implement the optional commands ;) |
| 03:54.19 | bob2 | BR_: haha |
| 03:54.35 | BR_ | sanxiyn: what, you mean by breaking the protocols itself? :) |
| 03:54.41 | BR_ | sanxiyn: and being highly dumb? :) |
| 03:54.41 | undertow | anyone know a way to convert from xwd to jpg format via CLI? |
| 03:54.46 | sanxiyn | BR_: Yes. |
| 03:54.46 | cast | satHan: well, if i select alsa in xmms it errors, but oss works fine. i would have thought alsa was a dropin for oss though which would make me setting that setting pointless :/ |
| 03:54.57 | sanxiyn | BR_: FTP clients do similar things with LIST command. |
| 03:54.59 | double_c | radiodurans: is it a windows machine? don't do it, it'll see all your hardware and reconfigure itself. you put it back in his machine, it'll never work again :-D |
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| 03:55.10 | sanxiyn | BR_: It's "protocol as implemented", not "protocol as specified". |
| 03:55.16 | BR_ | sanxiyn: explain to me then, why it does CAPA and then ignores its reply? when it seems to be the only client to do this command? |
| 03:55.30 | sanxiyn | BR_: I am not a fetchmail expert... |
| 03:55.37 | bob2 | undertow: can imagemagick's "convert" do it? |
| 03:55.42 | cast | alsamixer seems to change the volume, as does aumix. so i...am using alsa? but why doesnt the alsa xmms outplugin work :| |
| 03:55.44 | satHan | cast: sort of. when you have alsa enabled, it sets up an oss layer for older programs to use as a fallback. apparently theres something wrong, what does the xmms error say? |
| 03:55.48 | BR_ | sanxiyn: does that make any sense to you though? :) |
| 03:55.50 | radiodurans | double_c: what is strange is that the normally white letters when it is running turn purple |
| 03:55.57 | BR_ | sanxiyn: seems pretty insane to me ;) |
| 03:55.58 | undertow | bob2 - money says i dont have that installed |
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| 03:56.15 | bob2 | undertow: imagemagick is well worth having around |
| 03:56.23 | BR_ | sanxiyn: its like me asking you for a slice of brown bread, you going "No, only got white" and me going "Can I have 2 slices please" :) |
| 03:56.28 | double_c | radiodurans: I only once saw funny colours on a PC, it was a bad VGA connector |
| 03:56.40 | undertow | bob2 - trying to run as minimal as possible |
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| 03:56.47 | BR_ | sanxiyn: seems a little strange to me :) |
| 03:57.02 | undertow | bob2 and i remember someone telling me how to do it before...just forgot it |
| 03:57.02 | cast | "Couldnt open audio - please check that: your soundcard is configured properly, you have the corect output plugin selected, no other program is blocking the soundcard" |
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| 03:57.20 | BR_ | sanxiyn: and I totaly don't understand why it doesn't go RETR insted of TOP 1 9999999 |
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| 03:57.38 | BR_ | sanxiyn: I would _love_ to know what I'm missing though, I have to write a report on this crap ;) |
| 03:57.55 | Zho | hi room i have problem with wvdial |
| 03:58.09 | Zho | can't connect to my dialup server.. |
| 03:58.10 | radiodurans | double_c: the irony is that i just booted it up to back it up |
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| 03:58.28 | double_c | cast: Has it ever worked? Have you recently run an audio app that crashed? Are you a member of the audio group ? |
| 03:58.46 | brynjarh | http://eu.hurd.gnuab.org/pub/debian-cd/ - what does K5 K6 K7 and K8 stand for? |
| 03:59.01 | bob2 | brynjarh: different releases of the hurd |
| 03:59.09 | bob2 | k8 is the most recent |
| 03:59.11 | double_c | radiodurans: put the drive in a working machine, copy the data. Then you can play :) |
| 03:59.15 | brynjarh | bob2, ah I see |
| 03:59.19 | cast | double_c: /dev/dsp0 is chowned to me, i dont know if alsa has ever worked. xmms works fine if you select oss as the output device, but i dont know how to tell if im using oss or alsa |
| 03:59.31 | sanxiyn | BR_: I think esr once wrote a report on "POP3 as implemented" or similar, detailing all idiosyncracies of POP servers and why fetchmail do stupid stuffs it does. |
| 03:59.40 | sanxiyn | BR_: Can't find that document now... |
| 04:00.08 | sanxiyn | BR_: You know, djb wrote similar report on FTP and wrote ftpparse. |
| 04:00.38 | double_c | cast: alsa compiled as modukes? check lsmod maybe |
| 04:00.47 | jope | Question: Why is debian still using apache 1.3.26? |
| 04:00.53 | Zho | hello any kan help me with wvdial? |
| 04:01.01 | radiodurans | double_c: i just ordered a dell 20inch lcd widescreen for $460 too :P |
| 04:01.11 | frame | bob2 how do i make xscreensaver run kuickshow, i dont see anything in the man page? |
| 04:01.12 | cast | double_c: just check kernel config, looks like i didnt compile in any oss, and its all just alsa [not as modules] |
| 04:01.29 | sanxiyn | jope: What good is apache2? |
| 04:01.36 | bob2 | jope: because Debian Stable doesn't get new software |
| 04:01.40 | bob2 | since it's like, stable. |
| 04:01.40 | radiodurans | does linux support moitors with 1680x1050 resolution? |
| 04:01.46 | double_c | radiodurans: I'm on an ancient 15", my wife commandeers the good machine after midnight :) |
| 04:01.52 | bob2 | radiodurans: you mean X? yes. |
| 04:02.03 | radiodurans | bob2: yes |
| 04:02.12 | cast | this confuses me to now end :\. alsaconf says 'No supported PnP or PCI card found.', despite dmesg saying alsa found both |
| 04:02.12 | jope | You can update to the latest 1.3.x version |
| 04:02.26 | double_c | cast: I'm pretty ignorant about this, but I compile alsa with oss emulation, and it works like it alsays used to |
| 04:02.40 | jope | Apache 1.3.26 was released in 2002 :| |
| 04:02.57 | soften | what's wrong with apache 1.3 ? |
| 04:03.10 | sanxiyn | jope: Ah, latest 1.3... that's different matter, I guess. |
| 04:03.14 | brk_ | 2005 |
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| 04:03.22 | sanxiyn | !info apache |
| 04:03.27 | lkhaos | nothing is wrong with it...apache2 simply handles resources much differently |
| 04:03.31 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.33-4 (sid), Packaged size: 373 kB, Installed size: 696 kB |
| 04:03.51 | sanxiyn | jope: As you see, testing/stable has 1.3.33. |
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| 04:04.23 | bob2 | jope: Debian Woody came out in 2002, so that's not very surprising |
| 04:04.30 | bob2 | jope: as sanxiyn says, testing has 1.3.33 |
| 04:04.31 | jope | apache 1.3.26 has 11 security holes listed at http://www.apacheweek.com/features/security-13 |
| 04:04.44 | bob2 | jope: indeed, please read http://security.debian.org/ |
| 04:04.52 | cast | ahh well. i suppose ill just be content to have sound and not know where its coming from :x |
| 04:04.52 | bob2 | jope: Debian backports fixes to the version in stable |
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| 04:05.06 | sanxiyn | jope: That's why Woody's apache has been patched 6 times till now. |
| 04:05.06 | bob2 | frame: man xscreensaver, the "program" stuff is what you want |
| 04:05.12 | double_c | cast: sometimes you just have to accept things as they are :) |
| 04:05.19 | soften | debian's apache 1.3.26-0woody6 has none. |
| 04:05.52 | jope | Oh, they backport? Didn't know that... my bad |
| 04:05.53 | frame | bob2 i see that part, so the command is xscreensaver program foo |
| 04:05.59 | bob2 | frame: not in my manpage |
| 04:06.27 | bob2 | frame: it shows how to run qix or ico or xdaliclock or ... |
| 04:06.27 | soften | backports aren't the issue. apache 1.3.26-0woody6 does not have the security holes you mention, that the unpatched 1.3.26 exhibits. |
| 04:06.44 | bob2 | soften: jope meant "they backport [security fixes to the version in stable]" |
| 04:06.51 | sanxiyn | jope: Yes, Debian security team backports fixes. |
| 04:07.00 | soften | the fixes. got it. |
| 04:08.40 | lkhaos | my nvidia drivers a making me crazy. They were fine until I had to go and 'tweek' them. Now I have to recompile after every boot |
| 04:08.45 | jope | Thanks for updating me... :P Also, is there an active debian-gforge IRC channel? You one listed on gforge.free.fr is no longer working |
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| 04:08.51 | darkcmd | how do I set a default gateway with ifconfig |
| 04:08.58 | darkcmd | to set my isp gateway |
| 04:09.04 | darkcmd | i can't figure it out |
| 04:09.04 | jope | you = the |
| 04:09.10 | bob2 | darkcmd: just edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:09.35 | double_c | lkhaos: did you complile the kernel as a debian package? |
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| 04:09.50 | lkhaos | yes, I did. |
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| 04:10.20 | double_c | lkhaos: hang on |
| 04:10.23 | calin | oh jesus >.< |
| 04:10.40 | calin | yeah, brain lag. hahahahah |
| 04:10.44 | calin | zion:/home/calin# brb |
| 04:10.44 | calin | bash: brb: command not found |
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| 04:19.44 | brk_ | Finally!! http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux/ ... Web site to support Toshiba PC users running Linux on the PC. |
| 04:20.20 | calin | brk_: in japanese! |
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| 04:21.04 | soften | this is the form of advertising known as "exposure" - 750 "impressions" for everything said here |
| 04:21.29 | bob2 | brk_: I really really really really doubt your problem is related to that |
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| 04:22.57 | brk_ | bob2: I am sure I agree |
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| 04:24.09 | darkcmd | I can make debian stop using udev right? |
| 04:24.14 | Saranusu | Hey is anyone around I need some help in apache |
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| 04:24.40 | bob2 | darkcmd: if you remove it |
| 04:24.47 | bob2 | Saranusu: not unless you ask a question |
| 04:24.48 | lkhaos | whatcha go Saranusu? |
| 04:24.52 | Saranusu | lol |
| 04:24.56 | lkhaos | go=got..lol |
| 04:25.13 | Saranusu | ok i have been running apache server in the past but I always just apt-get installed them |
| 04:25.16 | double_c | lkhaos: on debian unstable, I have these packages: nvidia-kernel-src and nvidia-glx. go to the kernel source dir, then (after configuration), make-kpkg clean kernel_image modules |
| 04:25.26 | Saranusu | So now Im doing it through the dl on the website |
| 04:25.42 | Saranusu | Im not to sure on the ./config part and I need some assitance getting thet working |
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| 04:25.49 | darkcmd | so remove the app.. udev? |
| 04:25.52 | bob2 | Saranusu: #apache |
| 04:25.54 | prahal | hi, i want to build my updated version of an orphaned package with updated source, which would be the best tool (pbuilder does not seem to fit neither apt-build) |
| 04:26.00 | bob2 | darkcmd: the package udev, if you really want to |
| 04:26.04 | bob2 | but things like gnome rely on it |
| 04:26.06 | Saranusu | bob2: ive been in there |
| 04:26.12 | Saranusu | bob2: no answer |
| 04:26.17 | bob2 | Saranusu: well, building it isn't Debian-specific |
| 04:26.22 | darkcmd | This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
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| 04:26.25 | darkcmd | lol |
| 04:26.31 | darkcmd | bob2, gnome needs udev? |
| 04:26.33 | bob2 | prahal: uupdate |
| 04:26.44 | bob2 | darkcmd: it uses g-v-m which needs hal which needs udev |
| 04:26.48 | Saranusu | bob2: yeah I know lol but i was just curious if anyone has done it before in here which im sure someone has |
| 04:26.54 | lee___ | how would i do a wildcard in the console window, I want to remove all files that end in ~ |
| 04:27.01 | calin | rm *~ |
| 04:27.06 | bob2 | Saranusu: why are you building it, anyway? |
| 04:27.09 | lee___ | that didn't work |
| 04:27.15 | bob2 | yes, it does |
| 04:27.16 | calin | i should work |
| 04:27.19 | calin | it* |
| 04:27.22 | lee___ | rm: cannot remove `/home/derek/.webs/*~': No such file or directory |
| 04:27.30 | helix | *\~ ? |
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| 04:27.49 | Saranusu | bob2: for some reason I cant get my apt-get install of apache2 to route to another folder it just wants to work with the apache2-default folder as the doc root |
| 04:27.50 | lee___ | nope, that either |
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| 04:28.18 | lee___ | Saranusu: its in another file, check the files that end in .conf |
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| 04:28.23 | darkcmd | bob2, gvm? |
| 04:28.27 | darkcmd | gnome volume manager? |
| 04:28.30 | calin | for ASD in *~; do rm $ASD; fi |
| 04:28.31 | bob2 | yes |
| 04:28.36 | Saranusu | lee___: already done it |
| 04:28.40 | bob2 | Saranusu: so change the config |
| 04:28.42 | user01 | is it possible to retreive data form a broken hard drive? |
| 04:28.46 | Coily | does anyone know of a wine monitoring program. im fiddling around with some windows installs but the only thing i can think of is to compare with fresh wine install |
| 04:28.47 | calin | try that lee? |
| 04:28.48 | darkcmd | bob2, anyway to turn that off? |
| 04:28.55 | lkhaos | I'll have to try that double_c...I know once things started messing up, I didn't think about doing make clean first. Thanks! |
| 04:28.57 | MobyTurbo | !possible |
| 04:28.58 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 04:29.12 | bob2 | darkcmd: don't install it, I suppose |
| 04:29.15 | bob2 | user01: depends how broken |
| 04:29.23 | lee___ | calin: I get a > |
| 04:29.26 | bob2 | Coily: try #winehzqq |
| 04:29.30 | user01 | bob2: making noise broken |
| 04:29.30 | bob2 | er, #winehq |
| 04:29.41 | Coily | bob2, thanksi was wondering what the channel was |
| 04:29.48 | double_c | lkhaos: np, I just stated what works for me :) |
| 04:29.55 | user01 | bob2: not being detected at boot up broken |
| 04:29.55 | bob2 | user01: then take an image of it with 'dd' asap |
| 04:30.03 | doub_ | lee___: i think it ends in "done" rather than "fi" |
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| 04:30.27 | doub_ | lee___: in other words s/fi/done |
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| 04:31.21 | user01 | bob2: i didnt think an ibm deskstar would fail me :( |
| 04:31.27 | lee___ | how would i specify the folder? |
| 04:31.37 | darkcmd | bob2, then it won't break gnome? |
| 04:32.29 | lee___ | hmm, it seems like it might work but it won't when you put rm -r |
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| 04:32.42 | double_c | user01: seriously? they were known as deathstars at one time, due to bad chip packages |
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| 04:33.02 | bob2 | user01: haha |
| 04:33.05 | darkcmd | holy crap |
| 04:33.10 | bob2 | they're infamouse for failing like that |
| 04:33.12 | darkcmd | when I install stuff with apt-get |
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| 04:33.15 | darkcmd | it updates the gnome menu |
| 04:33.17 | darkcmd | WHOA |
| 04:33.22 | bob2 | darkcmd: I don't think so |
| 04:33.27 | doub_ | lee___: put the folder right before *~ |
| 04:33.38 | darkcmd | apt-get updates the gnome menu.. dude.. debian owns |
| 04:33.43 | darkcmd | I love debian |
| 04:33.57 | darkcmd | I tried it.. and I'm hooked |
| 04:34.10 | doub_ | lee___: but otherwise, that's strange it works this way, as the glob is the same in both cases |
| 04:34.28 | lee___ | ah, that works but i need it to be recursive |
| 04:34.45 | calin | lee___: rm -r *~ |
| 04:34.49 | calin | lee___: rm -r /*~ |
| 04:34.55 | user01 | bob2: what about the hitachi one? |
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| 04:35.39 | darkcmd | dude me and my friends all switched to debian tonight |
| 04:35.41 | darkcmd | all from slackware |
| 04:35.43 | lee___ | calin: nope, i get no such file or director |
| 04:35.46 | lee___ | directory |
| 04:36.10 | doub_ | lee___: what does "ls *~" say? |
| 04:36.10 | calin | meh |
| 04:36.11 | bob2 | user01: it was only one generation of ibm disks that had that problem |
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| 04:36.20 | sttng359 | It's been a while since I've run a debian system, but I'm curious what the status of xorg and sarge is. |
| 04:36.23 | user01 | bob2: from 2001? |
| 04:36.31 | sttng359 | Is sarge going to be release as stable soon? |
| 04:36.42 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite sttng359 |
| 04:36.44 | calin | lee___: your computer is mentally retarded, you are required by humanity's laws to draw it out back and shoot it point blank with a 12 gauge |
| 04:36.45 | lee___ | there are none in the immediate directory but there are in the sub directorys |
| 04:36.45 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sttng359. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:36.46 | bob2 | user01: that sort of era |
| 04:36.58 | double_c | bob2: wasn't it a bad batch of resin that screwed up controller chips. was only IBM affected? |
| 04:36.58 | doub_ | lee___: compare the output to "ls -l|grep '~$'" |
| 04:37.00 | maher | sttng359: yes - either this year or next |
| 04:37.01 | user01 | bob2: arrrrrggggggghhhhh |
| 04:37.10 | bob2 | double_c: I don't know |
| 04:37.16 | doub_ | lee___: so you can't use it directly |
| 04:37.29 | undertow | anyone know how to get xwd to take a fullscreen shot instead of a frame? |
| 04:37.36 | doub_ | lee___: for recursion to work you'll have to have at least one file of this type in current dir |
| 04:37.39 | calin | ls -R *~* |
| 04:37.40 | double_c | bob2: that's what I remember from reading the register at the time anyway |
| 04:37.40 | user01 | its always the resin...or microsoft |
| 04:37.49 | calin | lee___: ls -r *~* |
| 04:37.54 | lee___ | doub_: why |
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| 04:38.04 | doub_ | lee___: use find -name "*~" | xargs -r rm |
| 04:38.14 | doub_ | lee___: that's how it's built |
| 04:38.18 | bob2 | undertow: import -root does it |
| 04:38.24 | schuler | sarge kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 does not support the Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse at the PS/2 port |
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| 04:38.39 | bob2 | schuler: I doubt that is the case. also, it's very old |
| 04:38.50 | lee___ | ah, that works, thanks doub_ |
| 04:38.53 | calin | schuler: and you want us to do what? |
| 04:39.20 | bob2 | schuler: if you can reproduce it with the latest kernel in sarge, please file a bug |
| 04:39.20 | schuler | in case you have this setup upgrade to 2.6.10 |
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| 04:39.43 | lee___ | doub_: one more thing, how do i specify the directory with the find -name |
| 04:39.49 | doub_ | lee___: to be more precise, the '*~' part of the command is translated to whatever files match by your shell, so if there's none in the begining dir, it's as if you typed "rm -r" with no argument, so it complains |
| 04:39.51 | polok_ | what's the option in the kernel that enables ip_tables? |
| 04:40.11 | double_c | polok_: netfilter |
| 04:40.15 | doub_ | lee___: just before '-name'. man find for the gory details |
| 04:40.19 | polok_ | at the moment I've got guarddog giving me way too much errors |
| 04:40.34 | lee___ | thanks doub_, appriciate the help |
| 04:40.38 | undertow | bob2 - no good |
| 04:40.43 | undertow | same thing |
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| 04:41.02 | maketo | fucking opt online |
| 04:41.10 | bob2 | undertow: works for me |
| 04:41.17 | undertow | bob2 - thx anyhow |
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| 04:41.30 | bob2 | undertow: oh, import -window root blah.png |
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| 04:42.12 | user01 | bob2: look they have audio files on my problem :) http://www.dataclinic.co.uk/data-recovery-ibm-deskstar-hard-disk-drive.htm |
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| 04:42.26 | bob2 | hah |
| 04:42.41 | freestone | What's the network status command that will show the # hops to an IP address, and the packet transmission time? I want to feed the list of debian mirrors & find out which is closest/fastest. Thx. |
| 04:43.00 | maketo | freestone : traceroute? |
| 04:43.00 | soften | traceroute (address) |
| 04:43.14 | darkcmd | bob2, how does debian automatically add things to the gnome menu when you apt-get them? |
| 04:43.22 | maketo | freestone : note that the route to a dest is not guaranteed |
| 04:43.30 | bob2 | darkcmd: the packages include menu files for it |
| 04:43.41 | freestone | maketo: & soften - I think not traceroute, Is there something more advanced? |
| 04:43.46 | netcrash | what package has the host address application for debian ? |
| 04:43.52 | maketo | freestone : nope |
| 04:43.59 | soften | darkcmd, the package contains not only the software, but the scripts necessary to install and configure it |
| 04:44.01 | bob2 | netcrash: dnsutils, iirc |
| 04:44.10 | netcrash | thank you bob2 |
| 04:44.11 | maketo | freestone : more advanced as in... |
| 04:44.12 | soften | freestone, traceroute or ping will tell you roundtrip packet time |
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| 04:44.39 | undertow | still no luck bob2 - thanks anyhow tho |
| 04:44.41 | polok_ | which category is netfilter in the 2.6.10 kernel? I can't find it :S |
| 04:44.52 | freestone | maketo: er, I don't want the whole route shown, just the # hops & roundtrip time. |
| 04:45.04 | bob2 | polok_: networking |
| 04:45.07 | bob2 | same as it's always been |
| 04:45.11 | soften | sounds like something ugly involving traceroute and sed |
| 04:45.54 | freestone | soften: I used to do this 5 yrs ago. At that time there was one nice command to do it. I think it is not the current traceroute command. |
| 04:46.03 | user01 | bob2: they even have the location of manufacturing correct...hungary |
| 04:46.06 | maher | freestone: do you mean apt-spy |
| 04:46.11 | darkcmd | what is the name of the ncurse-devel package.. I want to compile my kernel |
| 04:46.22 | freestone | maher: Never heard of that, I'll look it up. |
| 04:46.28 | soften | 5 yrs ago, did you work for a place where the guy had written an ugly shell script, or perl script, that took traceroute and summarized it for the less technologically astute? |
| 04:46.32 | bob2 | darkcmd: libncurses5-dev |
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| 04:47.02 | freestone | soften: Nope. I was new to debian then, and just found the command as I was attempting to choose a mirror. |
| 04:47.11 | soften | ah. |
| 04:47.40 | maketo | freestone : blah you can do that yourself ;> |
| 04:47.49 | maher | freestone: netselect-apt |
| 04:48.02 | freestone | maher: Thx. |
| 04:48.16 | darkcmd | why when I symlink kernel-2.6.11 to /usr/src/linux |
| 04:48.26 | darkcmd | when I make menuconfig it shows the 2.4.27 conf |
| 04:48.27 | freestone | Thanks everyone - I'll go check out the suggestions. :) |
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| 04:49.29 | calin | darkcmd: correct |
| 04:49.32 | ariel | hi, anyone know how to kill sleeping processes that are eating my memory? |
| 04:49.41 | calin | ariel: kill their parent proccess |
| 04:49.45 | user01 | are there any good data recovery businesses in the US? |
| 04:50.15 | maher | user01: yes - if you have a lot of cash |
| 04:50.23 | calin | user01: man, try google locations |
| 04:50.23 | maketo | user01 : kind of a generic question, no? |
| 04:50.27 | user01 | maher: d`oh |
| 04:50.53 | maketo | user01 : try www.fbi.gov ;) |
| 04:50.54 | ariel | good. but if I do it my system might hang I did it in the past |
| 04:51.33 | calin | ariel: ps ax | grep -i '<the proggie name>' find the uid of it and kill <uid> |
| 04:51.50 | ariel | I've got my system with at least 80 processes running in sleeping mode and I would like to know if they are really important |
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| 04:52.01 | calin | crazy |
| 04:52.02 | maher | ariel: you can probably just ignore them |
| 04:52.16 | user01 | maketo: i just see a fat chick on that site |
| 04:52.27 | maketo | ariel : you don't want services you don't need though |
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| 04:52.29 | bob2 | ariel: if they're not running, they don't use memory |
| 04:52.31 | darkcmd | calin, why is that? |
| 04:52.34 | ariel | but the fact is that they make my system slow |
| 04:52.34 | bob2 | they'll be swapped out and not care |
| 04:52.40 | bob2 | or just have their pages thrown out |
| 04:53.08 | maher | ariel: what makes you think that? |
| 04:53.25 | calin | darkcmd: nevermind, i'm running 112 processes right now |
| 04:53.39 | maketo | 92 here |
| 04:53.53 | calin | hehe |
| 04:54.06 | calin | ps ax | grep -c ' ' |
| 04:54.09 | calin | ^_^ |
| 04:54.24 | helix | argh, anime smileys |
| 04:54.29 | maketo | ps auwx | wc -l |
| 04:54.55 | calin | 105 |
| 04:55.10 | ariel | I'm new in debian sarge i came from slackware 10.1 and I hadn't 80 process when the desktop was up and slackware 10.1 has the same version of kde that sarge |
| 04:55.25 | maketo | ariel : just relaaaaaaaaaax |
| 04:55.52 | maketo | (I felt like you when I installed ubuntu for the first time and did lsmod) |
| 04:56.07 | bob2 | ariel: it really doesn't matter |
| 04:56.43 | calin | woot, i have jolt cola! |
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| 05:00.25 | ariel | but I got my debian configured as a simple home pc and I was wondering if it's necessary 80 processes to be running? |
| 05:00.48 | ariel | really I feel that they make my system a bit slow |
| 05:01.34 | ElectricElf | ariel: [ dbharris@willow: ~/ ]$ ps auwwwx | wc -l |
| 05:01.34 | ElectricElf | 212 |
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| 05:01.37 | calin | ariel: /msg me the list of the processes you are having a question about |
| 05:01.39 | ElectricElf | ariel: And my system is quite snappy. |
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| 05:02.19 | ElectricElf | ariel: A "process" is a few kB of memory - it's not so much the count that matters as what they actually are |
| 05:02.36 | mwilson | And what they're doing. :) |
| 05:03.00 | calin | a process is a program loaded into active memory |
| 05:03.09 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Of course :) |
| 05:03.14 | ElectricElf | calin: A process is a kernel structure |
| 05:03.44 | calin | the proccess files listed in /proc are files containing a pointer TO the proccess they represent |
| 05:03.49 | ElectricElf | calin: In older versions of Linux, threads are represented as processes - despite the fact that they aren't, really. Ditto kernel subsystems. |
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| 05:04.07 | ariel | well, let me few minutes, list is too long |
| 05:04.26 | maher | ariel: what does top say about your system load? |
| 05:04.28 | tam | stupid question: does cron run as root when doing it's jobs? |
| 05:04.34 | ElectricElf | ariel: Yeah, please do - but #flood is good :) |
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| 05:04.41 | calin | tam: yes |
| 05:04.46 | tam | calin: thanks |
| 05:04.48 | ElectricElf | calin: In those cases, the "process" isn't "a program loaded into active memory", it's "a portion - usually small, sometimes large", of a process |
| 05:05.16 | calin | true |
| 05:05.21 | MobyTurbo | ariel: use "top" to determine which are using the most resources of any kind, and allows you to kill interactively. |
| 05:05.34 | ElectricElf | calin's suggestion was the best |
| 05:05.34 | ariel | 78 processes 70 process sleeping |
| 05:05.51 | ElectricElf | (Though a screendump of top would be worthwhile.) |
| 05:06.11 | ariel | that was the first thing I did but as soon I kill them they start again with another pid |
| 05:06.25 | ElectricElf | ariel: Don't kill random processes |
| 05:06.28 | tam | ariel: so your system is only actually running 8 processes then |
| 05:06.31 | ElectricElf | ariel: First, 80 processes is nothing |
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| 05:06.37 | maher | ariel: paste the process list in #flood |
| 05:06.59 | ElectricElf | ariel: Then do as calin and maher and myself have asked, and paste them in #flood :) |
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| 05:07.55 | jetscreamer | just take a sledge to your box, give up |
| 05:08.09 | jetscreamer | be a quitter |
| 05:08.13 | ariel | what? would you mind explaining me it again ? |
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| 05:08.29 | jetscreamer | ariel, /lastlog ariel |
| 05:08.33 | ElectricElf | ariel: /join #flood |
| 05:08.34 | jetscreamer | or scroll up |
| 05:08.55 | ElectricElf | ariel: Paste the output of 'ps auwwwx' |
| 05:09.33 | ElectricElf | ariel: Run 'ps auwwwx' in a terminal |
| 05:09.35 | ElectricElf | Er |
| 05:09.38 | ElectricElf | Wrong window |
| 05:09.44 | Segers_J | ariel: just wait until you happen to be working when one of the bigger cron jobs cranks up. That took a little getting used to for me. :) |
| 05:10.07 | helix | aww yeah, cron.daily |
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| 05:13.22 | peetah | is there a way to restart a program? |
| 05:13.25 | peetah | if you know the pid |
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| 05:13.59 | calin | ariel: hey |
| 05:14.01 | ElectricElf | peetah: The only semistandard thing to do is 'kill -HUP <pid>' |
| 05:14.07 | ElectricElf | peetah: But that more often kills the app :) |
| 05:14.13 | Segers_J | peetah: if you did ctrl-z, then type jobs to find the number, and then fg <number> |
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| 05:14.41 | ggl_6 | what's the difference between a hard and symbolic link? |
| 05:14.53 | ariel | yes? |
| 05:15.13 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: A hardlink is (always, in the case of Linux) limited to a single filesystem |
| 05:15.23 | peetah | Segers_J: well i'm using c++... |
| 05:15.28 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: The real difference reuquires a bit of understanding about how *nix filesystems are generally laid out |
| 05:15.39 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: Basically you have chunks of data, and entries in directories point to them |
| 05:15.45 | ggl_6 | how come I cant hard link a directory? |
| 05:15.54 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: A hardline has is a second directory entry pointing to those chunks of data |
| 05:16.16 | ggl_6 | It says invalid cross-device link |
| 05:16.25 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: (Identical to the source file. In fact, after hardlinking, there is no difference. If you modify one you modify the other, and if you remove one entry the other is left alone) |
| 05:16.27 | Segers_J | ggl_6: symbolic points to the original file, hard points to the data and is another file that references the same data. Symlinks can cross disks, hard links cannot. |
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| 05:16.41 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: Yeah, you also can't hardlink directories |
| 05:16.53 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: The reason for that escapes me. You used to be able to do it with some Linux fielsystems |
| 05:16.56 | ggl_6 | I see, no wonder |
| 05:17.06 | cg0def | what should I do so that when I click on a web link to irc:// it would open up the address in xorg? |
| 05:17.08 | ElectricElf | ggl_6: Major PITA to support, I imagine |
| 05:17.10 | cg0def | I ment xchat |
| 05:17.14 | schuler | as root you can hardlink directories |
| 05:17.28 | calin | cg0def: I was wondering that too |
| 05:17.28 | ElectricElf | schuler: Not any more you can't :) |
| 05:17.37 | ElectricElf | schuler: Maybe on JFS or ReiserFS. Never tried those. |
| 05:17.51 | caphuso | reiserfs can do them all by itself |
| 05:17.58 | TheBlueWizard | ElectricElf: IIRC it requires root permission to hardlink a directory (do a man on ls...I see some blurb on that) |
| 05:17.59 | ElectricElf | Well that's ReiserFS :) |
| 05:18.09 | ElectricElf | TheBlueWizard: It's filesystem-dependant |
| 05:18.09 | caphuso | and no, reiserfsck doesn't recognize that grave mistake at all |
| 05:18.17 | TheBlueWizard | I see |
| 05:18.17 | ElectricElf | TheBlueWizard: XFS and ext[23] don't support it. |
| 05:18.23 | calin | what's the purpose of a hardlink as opposed to a symlink? |
| 05:18.25 | ggl_6 | well anyways why would I need a hardlink. when symlink will do for my purposes, thanks all for the info |
| 05:18.25 | jetscreamer | with xfs or reiser you should have a ups. i did the research, jfs seemed best for my purposes |
| 05:18.26 | TheBlueWizard | mmhmm |
| 05:18.36 | cg0def | calin: I know I have to enter an new enty in the MIME db but I don't know where or what entry :( |
| 05:18.42 | caphuso | TheBlueWizard: GNU ls supporting something != linux supporting something |
| 05:19.04 | maher | ariel: the ones in [] are all kernel thingies |
| 05:19.07 | darkcmd | i've never gotten the != thing |
| 05:19.07 | TheBlueWizard | hmm! |
| 05:19.09 | darkcmd | what does it mean? |
| 05:19.26 | caphuso | darkcmd: not equal |
| 05:19.31 | darkcmd | ok.. thanks :) |
| 05:19.33 | maher | ariel: the getty's are mysterious oil barons who live on your system |
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| 05:20.07 | Segers_J | darkcmd: comes from programming languages c, c++, java, maybe others. |
| 05:20.23 | maher | ariel: things ending in d are probably daemons |
| 05:20.24 | darkcmd | Segers_J, yea I need to learn how to code.. all I can do is bash script |
| 05:20.37 | ariel | i dunno but it's repeat 6 times |
| 05:20.45 | ElectricElf | ariel: For six local terminals |
| 05:20.47 | jetscreamer | i have /dev/pauljgetty |
| 05:20.50 | jetscreamer | don't you? |
| 05:20.50 | caphuso | darkcmd: well, bash has != too |
| 05:20.54 | ElectricElf | alindeman: Ctrl+Alt+F1 through Ctrl+Alt|F6 |
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| 05:20.56 | ElectricElf | Er |
| 05:20.58 | ElectricElf | s/alindeman/ariel/ |
| 05:20.58 | darkcmd | ok.. will compiling my own new kernel.. maybe cause things during init? |
| 05:21.05 | darkcmd | i mean to fail during init |
| 05:21.27 | ElectricElf | ariel: What sort of hardware do you have? |
| 05:21.30 | ElectricElf | ariel: CPU/memory wise? |
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| 05:21.53 | Segers_J | ariel: getty = get tty google getty linux if you're really interested, they make ctrl-alt-f1 through f6 work |
| 05:22.04 | ElectricElf | <ariel> I'm wondering if I really need all of them |
| 05:22.10 | maher | ariel: everything looks fine - but you could turn some stuff off - e.g - you don't need cups if you don't have a printer... |
| 05:22.15 | ElectricElf | ariel: If you can't answer that question, then the answer is "yes I need it" :) |
| 05:22.24 | ElectricElf | maher: That's not entirely correct |
| 05:22.44 | maher | ElectricElf: what do you use cups for without a printer? |
| 05:22.51 | ElectricElf | maher: Printing-to-PDF? |
| 05:23.03 | ElectricElf | maher: Maybe some app he installed is so-so and Depends: on the daemon? |
| 05:23.13 | darkcmd | ok.. will compiling my own new kernel.. maybe cause things to fail during init? |
| 05:23.20 | mwilson | Is there finally a decent solution for that? The cups-pdf package... isn't. |
| 05:23.24 | ElectricElf | maher: Wait until he answers the question about the hardware |
| 05:23.30 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Yeah. ps2pdf. :) |
| 05:23.32 | ariel | I've got 256Mb and athlon 2400 and linux was used to be fast |
| 05:23.33 | caphuso | mwilson: xprint :-P |
| 05:23.42 | mwilson | ElectricElf: For which you don't need CUPS. |
| 05:23.50 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Damned straight |
| 05:23.55 | ariel | now it become slow |
| 05:23.59 | ElectricElf | mwilson: (Not that he doesn't have it hooked up that way, but who knows?) |
| 05:24.07 | ElectricElf | ariel: Then it is *extremely* unlikely that the processes you pasted have anything to do with that |
| 05:24.25 | pipegeek | Hi, folks. I'm having a serious problem with GRUB, and was wondering if you could help. Earlier today I shrunk my ext3 root partition to make room for a windows install. At this point, the machine booted just fine. I installed windows (from within qemu), and ran grub-install. No problems. I rebooted, and tried to boot into windows. GRUB got half-way there, and the system halted. |
| 05:24.26 | Segers_J | ariel: are you using the install kernel still? |
| 05:24.29 | maher | ariel: what is your system load |
| 05:24.44 | pipegeek | Hit the power switch, rebooted, and now GRUB doesn't load at all (stops with "error 17") |
| 05:24.48 | mwilson | One of these days I will port the backend I did for PDF printing under LPRng to CUPS. That, or I'll come to my senses and remove CUPS. |
| 05:25.21 | pipegeek | I finally got my machine to boot by booting knoppix and installing lilo, but now, if I run grub-install, it quits with "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 05:25.22 | ariel | my kernel is 2.4 |
| 05:25.27 | ariel | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 05:25.49 | Segers_J | mwilson: apple has gotten behind cups, follow the money. |
| 05:26.07 | darkcmd | do you guys recommend lprng? |
| 05:26.13 | mwilson | Segers_J: CUPS is brittle. I don't like brittle. |
| 05:26.17 | pipegeek | So I ran it with set -x. And finally tracked it down to the fact that grub was unable to mount my boot partition (or, as a matter of fact, any of my linux partitions) despite the fact that they have all been fscked, and mount fine. |
| 05:26.35 | pipegeek | Specifically, "grub> root (hd0,2)rn Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x93 |
| 05:26.37 | pipegeek | " |
| 05:26.37 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Indeed |
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| 05:27.20 | ariel | any suggestion? |
| 05:27.23 | mwilson | ElectricElf: But CUPS supports brain-dead inkjet printers far better than LPRng does. |
| 05:27.25 | pipegeek | Googling has been no help--most of the people who've run into this problem have odd configurations or odd filesystems, which are confusing grub. I have neither. |
| 05:27.31 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Also "Indeed" |
| 05:27.42 | caphuso | pipegeek: what does "fdisk -l /dev/blah" show as partition type for that partition"? |
| 05:27.50 | calin | ariel: download and compile the 2.6.10 kernel source and boot under taht |
| 05:27.53 | mwilson | Oh, for a decent PS-using inkjet. |
| 05:27.56 | ElectricElf | mwilson: My kingdom for the days when men were men and printers spoke PostScript |
| 05:28.07 | mwilson | My *lasers* all speak PS. |
| 05:28.12 | calin | ariel: 2.6 is a good bit faster than 2.4 |
| 05:28.23 | ElectricElf | calin: For some definitions of "faster" |
| 05:28.36 | ariel | ok, downloadind kernel 2.6.... |
| 05:28.43 | ElectricElf | calin: Additionally, do you believe the instructions "download and compile the 2.6.10 kernel source and boot under taht" are appropriate? |
| 05:28.51 | Segers_J | calin: err, with the level of questions ariel is asking, do you really think compiling a kernel is the best advice? |
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| 05:29.05 | ElectricElf | ariel: Please ignore calin's instructions |
| 05:29.05 | pipegeek | caphuso: Lord almighty. Amoeba. Not a clue what that is, but dollars to donuts that's the problem. Wonder how that happened. |
| 05:29.07 | mwilson | I wonder if the CUPS maintainer has become sane again... |
| 05:29.18 | ElectricElf | ariel: It's very easy to render your box unbootable when installing a custom kernel. |
| 05:29.25 | ElectricElf | ariel: (And it can take hours to fix over IRC. :) |
| 05:29.30 | caphuso | pipegeek: just change it tto something sane (i.e. linux) |
| 05:29.40 | darkcmd | ElectricElf, that's why I always keep my stock on the grub config |
| 05:29.41 | mwilson | No, he still Deps on xpdf-utils. |
| 05:29.43 | ElectricElf | mwilson: These days you've got to be careful though |
| 05:29.43 | darkcmd | just in case |
| 05:29.50 | ElectricElf | darkcmd: No shit, sherlock :) |
| 05:29.59 | guestish | sane... |
| 05:30.02 | darkcmd | ElectricElf, i've made mistakes in the past lol |
| 05:30.07 | ElectricElf | darkcmd: It's not you who the suggestion is aimed at, however :) |
| 05:30.10 | darkcmd | and I had to boot into live cd |
| 05:30.16 | calin | bah, screw you guys. if she wants to know how to configure and compile a kernel, she'd ask. It was good advice. |
| 05:30.20 | ElectricElf | mwilson: (Lasers not speaking PS sucks) |
| 05:30.21 | guestish | define sane... |
| 05:30.23 | darkcmd | ElectricElf, i know you probably knew it.. :) |
| 05:30.33 | mwilson | I had to short out CUPS' use of pdftops, and replace it with ghostscript. |
| 05:30.38 | pipegeek | caphuso: Done. Thank you. That did it. |
| 05:31.15 | ariel | you're right I better start studying debian configuration |
| 05:31.19 | ElectricElf | calin: Non-crap advice would have been 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386' |
| 05:31.21 | darkcmd | man.. sarge is awesome.. i just decided today to move to debian.. and I'm loving it |
| 05:31.45 | ElectricElf | calin: However, the difference between 2.6.x and 2.4.x - while admirable - is marginal and almost certainly has absolutely nothing to do with the slowdown ariel is noticing |
| 05:31.49 | Danar | i'm having a problem playing a dvd past a certain point. i searched google and something said you shouldn't need drivers cause the kernel should recognize the drive. is this right? |
| 05:31.55 | ElectricElf | calin: Particularly since they were, in all likelyhood, running 2.4.x previously |
| 05:32.12 | calin | bah |
| 05:32.15 | calin | come off it |
| 05:32.16 | Danar | the dvd is in perfect condition |
| 05:32.33 | calin | i gave a straight answer to a simple question |
| 05:32.36 | darkcmd | Danar, is it a commercial DVD? |
| 05:32.38 | calin | leave me alone now |
| 05:32.41 | Danar | darkcmd: yes |
| 05:32.45 | Blackice1963 | lol |
| 05:32.50 | darkcmd | you have libdvdcss installed right? |
| 05:32.53 | calin | i prefer custom to stock in any case |
| 05:32.57 | ElectricElf | calin: You gave an answer to a question that was inappropriate for the audience and, as such, poor advice. |
| 05:32.58 | jetscreamer | -2 |
| 05:33.01 | Segers_J | ElectricElf: I was thinking more along the lines of a -i386 kernel vs. a -i686 kernel as a possible source of slowdown. |
| 05:33.05 | ElectricElf | calin: You weren't the audience - unless you just like to hear yourself speak :) |
| 05:33.19 | ElectricElf | Segers_J: Also very unlikely |
| 05:33.26 | ElectricElf | Segers_J: The difference is measurable but marginal |
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| 05:33.31 | gteppel | What is that DateTime notation that represents the date in terms of seconds?? |
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| 05:33.32 | ElectricElf | Segers_J: They're on an Athlon 2400+, too |
| 05:33.37 | calin | ElectricElf: and what against me if i do like to hear myself speak? |
| 05:33.37 | Segers_J | ElectricElf: I defer to your wisdom |
| 05:33.40 | ElectricElf | Segers_J: The slowdown is likely due to memory consumption |
| 05:33.40 | Danar | yep |
| 05:33.46 | ElectricElf | Segers_J: They've only got 256MB |
| 05:33.54 | ElectricElf | calin: Nothing wrong with that, so long as it doesn't fuck other people over :) |
| 05:34.07 | ElectricElf | calin: Use Your Powers For Good, Luke(tm) :) |
| 05:34.12 | ElectricElf | (Or somesuch) |
| 05:34.13 | calin | ,,, |
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| 05:34.19 | ElectricElf | ariel: Anyhoo :) |
| 05:34.26 | Danar | darkcmd: yep |
| 05:34.49 | ElectricElf | ariel: Have you been running Linux all this time, that you all of a sudden noticed a slowdown? |
| 05:35.05 | ElectricElf | ariel: If so, do you recall anything major that happened (upgrade, reinstall, switch to a different desktop system) around the time? |
| 05:35.11 | ElectricElf | ariel: If not, how long ago were you last using Linux? |
| 05:35.12 | Danar | after a certain point it says it can't read it anymore |
| 05:35.49 | Danar | dmesg has stuff like this: hdc: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 05:36.24 | ElectricElf | gteppel: I've no idea what "DateTime notation" is, but if you're looking for some search terms, "seconds since the epoch" might be helpful |
| 05:36.37 | ElectricElf | gteppel: (That's seconds since Jan 1, 1970, 00:00.00) |
| 05:36.49 | ariel | I've got 2 years using linux and in the past I fixed problems like this by editing runlevels but processes I want to kill doesn't appears there |
| 05:36.57 | jetscreamer | Danar, when i get that my hd is almost dead.. i usually stil have the chance to salvage the data |
| 05:37.02 | Danar | it's always at the same point, but the dvd is fine, so i don't see how it could be the dvd |
| 05:37.08 | ElectricElf | ariel: I'll repeat - don't kill random processes |
| 05:37.10 | jetscreamer | oh dvd |
| 05:37.12 | ElectricElf | ariel: You'll just fuck up your system |
| 05:37.17 | jetscreamer | maybe bad media |
| 05:37.22 | mwilson | If it's always at the same point, then chances are it IS the DVD. |
| 05:37.23 | ElectricElf | ariel: You need to identify the one(s) (if any) that are causing the slowdown. |
| 05:37.24 | colonelpanic001 | Killing random processes is fun! |
| 05:37.28 | Danar | jetscreamer: the dvd is in perfect condition |
| 05:37.45 | ElectricElf | ariel: The processes you listed were all extremely lightweight and generally considered very important for a running system |
| 05:37.52 | colonelpanic001 | "getty? wtf is getty? must not need it! DIE!" |
| 05:37.53 | ElectricElf | ariel: (Like, were you to kill udev, really bad shit would happen.) |
| 05:38.17 | ElectricElf | ariel: So then, to return to the question |
| 05:38.24 | ElectricElf | ariel: "I've got 2 years using linux" doesn't give a timeframe |
| 05:38.29 | cg0def | where is the system pager defined? |
| 05:38.30 | ElectricElf | ariel: Have you been using it for the past two years? |
| 05:38.31 | jetscreamer | well it's either your dvd or your dvdrom.... try turning off smart and dma, sometimes works for me with hd's |
| 05:38.47 | ElectricElf | ariel: Or did you use it in 2001-2003, and then switch to something else, and then switch back? |
| 05:38.53 | jetscreamer | because it's still being referenced |
| 05:38.59 | rob0 | Russian Roulette in sh: while true ; do sleep 5 ; kill $RANDOM ; done |
| 05:39.03 | jetscreamer | look in console, might be a lot of spam |
| 05:39.04 | mwilson | Would *killing* udev be so bad? |
| 05:39.04 | ElectricElf | ariel: (If you catch my drift.) |
| 05:39.10 | Danar | i closed the player |
| 05:39.12 | Danar | :/ |
| 05:39.17 | mwilson | It just wouldn't create any more devices. |
| 05:39.17 | jetscreamer | i kil udev every chance i get |
| 05:39.21 | darkcmd | i hate udev |
| 05:39.21 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Probably, it's pretty insinuous (is that a word?) |
| 05:39.28 | jetscreamer | death to udev! |
| 05:39.30 | darkcmd | I kinda like static /dev |
| 05:39.36 | colonelpanic001 | KILL THE UDEV |
| 05:39.49 | ElectricElf | mwilson: It made its way onto my laptop quite without my knowledge |
| 05:39.58 | Danar | lsof says nothing is using the dvd... |
| 05:39.58 | jetscreamer | some gnome package depends on udev.. gnomevfs i think |
| 05:40.01 | ElectricElf | Things take note that it's running and then try to do clever things. |
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| 05:40.07 | mwilson | ElectricElf: Gnome's VFS wants it, which I don't use either. |
| 05:40.23 | jetscreamer | Danar, it's because of the error |
| 05:40.45 | Danar | jetscreamer: i could open it a couple mins ago.. after it had happened several times |
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| 05:40.50 | jetscreamer | been there with a bad cd(media) |
| 05:40.50 | colonelpanic001 | I like Gnome. It's pretty. |
| 05:40.51 | mwilson | ElectricElf: One of these days I'll take the time to look at udev and see if I can seed it with my static /dev instead of its minimalist idea of how the world works. |
| 05:40.54 | darkcmd | you don't need gnome vfs do you? |
| 05:40.59 | Danar | it's just now. i wanted to double check and take a better look at the dvd |
| 05:41.03 | ElectricElf | mwilson: I believe it's quite possible |
| 05:41.18 | ariel | my point of view is a logic view if others linux are able to run fast with the lastest packackes with debian not. really i love debian but sometimes it become complex |
| 05:41.25 | jetscreamer | Danar, all i know is what it was for me, g'luck |
| 05:41.37 | ElectricElf | ariel: Please answer my question. |
| 05:41.40 | jetscreamer | bad burn/bad media/bad file that got burned |
| 05:41.41 | Danar | well if nothing is using the dvd drive, why would it not open? |
| 05:41.49 | jetscreamer | the error |
| 05:41.54 | mwilson | ElectricElf: I'm not interested in the empty /dev idiocy, the only thing it'd be useful to me for is named devices. |
| 05:41.56 | Danar | jetscreamer: it's a commercial dvd |
| 05:41.58 | ElectricElf | ariel: I'm trying to help here |
| 05:42.04 | Xenguy | mrphreak: apt-cache search gtkmozembed ??? |
| 05:42.08 | jetscreamer | Danar, i had that with bad cd media |
| 05:42.14 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 05:42.15 | Xenguy | mrphreak: nm |
| 05:42.18 | jetscreamer | it wouldn't open |
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| 05:42.21 | ElectricElf | mwilson: I don't mind it for some of the really esoteric stuff |
| 05:42.23 | Danar | hrm |
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| 05:42.28 | ariel | no, I haven't |
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| 05:42.34 | Danar | but it opened before, yet after the error |
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| 05:42.49 | jetscreamer | yeah that sounds familiar, but it was a month ago or so |
| 05:42.53 | polok | is there any way I can reset permissions on my home dir? |
| 05:42.58 | mwilson | ElectricElf: I find it impossible to care that there are device nodes in /dev that I have never used and never will use. |
| 05:42.58 | ElectricElf | mwilson: I think it's a whole heck of a lot better than devfs, that's for sure |
| 05:43.07 | polok | I reboot and I find permission denied all over the place? |
| 05:43.17 | ElectricElf | mwilson: It's the "I have never used and never expected to use" bit that I'm talking about :) |
| 05:43.34 | ElectricElf | mwilson: + "and really need to get working like RIGHT NOW" :) |
| 05:43.49 | ElectricElf | mwilson: I removed it on the only system it showed up on mind |
| 05:43.52 | AwesomeMachine | how do you run the dhcp configuration tool after debian is installed. I couldn't recognize my nic on install, so it wasn't set up for networking. |
| 05:43.55 | ElectricElf | mwilson: I very much prefer working without it |
| 05:44.03 | mwilson | And instead of getting them working, you get to fight with some stupid daemon's idea of how the world is supposed to work. |
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| 05:44.05 | ElectricElf | mwilson: That doesn't mean, however, that I am incapable of seeing the advantages of it. |
| 05:44.22 | darkcmd | man the debian netinstall works great |
| 05:44.41 | ElectricElf | mwilson: (And thus being capable of making an informed decision about whether or not to use it, as opposed to just violently dismissing any idea that hasn't been rehashed over and over again for 20 years ;) |
| 05:44.53 | ElectricElf | Sometimes new things *are* good after all :) |
| 05:44.54 | AwesomeMachine | k |
| 05:44.58 | ariel | I answered |
| 05:45.00 | AwesomeMachine | hold on |
| 05:45.07 | ElectricElf | ariel: Lemme ask again then |
| 05:45.14 | ElectricElf | ariel: Have you been using Linux continuously for the past 2 years or so? |
| 05:45.27 | ElectricElf | ariel: (I obviously failed to understand your response.) |
| 05:45.43 | ariel | yes, I have |
| 05:45.47 | darkcmd | what distro? |
| 05:45.51 | jetscreamer | obviously was one of linus' disciples |
| 05:45.53 | ElectricElf | darkcmd: That's irrelevant |
| 05:46.03 | ElectricElf | ariel: Did you notice a particular point at which the system became slower? |
| 05:46.12 | ElectricElf | ariel: An upgrade? A switch to a different distribution? |
| 05:46.16 | ElectricElf | ariel: Or was it gradual? |
| 05:46.19 | darkcmd | ElectricElf, it depends some of the distros have tools that block understanding of some concepts IMO |
| 05:46.21 | mwilson | ElectricElf: Actually, what I'd probably do is disable its use of tempfs and force it to use the real /dev |
| 05:46.26 | AwesomeMachine | darkcmd, I dont think I havee net install on my machine. What package is it in? Do you know off hand? |
| 05:46.30 | ElectricElf | darkcmd: It's irrelevant to solving the problem :) |
| 05:46.35 | ElectricElf | darkcmd: It's not irrelevant to the problem domain ;) |
| 05:46.37 | darkcmd | ElectricElf, ok yeah sorry |
| 05:46.51 | darkcmd | AwesomeMachine, I installed debian with the netinstall ISO |
| 05:47.02 | AwesomeMachine | k |
| 05:47.32 | AwesomeMachine | soz |
| 05:47.33 | ariel | my first distro was redhat9 in 2003 then suse 9.0 then fedora, then slackware, then woody later suse 9.1 and 9.2 then slackware and now debian |
| 05:47.37 | ElectricElf | mwilson: What are the implications of that? |
| 05:47.37 | rob0 | darkcmd: I think ariel said Slackware, FWIW (yes, not much.) |
| 05:47.45 | rob0 | oh :) |
| 05:47.46 | darkcmd | FWIW? |
| 05:47.48 | ElectricElf | ariel: How long ago did you switch from Slack to Debian? |
| 05:47.57 | mwilson | ElectricElf: I dunno. I'd have to investigate it. |
| 05:47.59 | AwesomeMachine | anyone use smoothwall? |
| 05:48.06 | darkcmd | I used Slackware for about 4 years... then I just switched to debian today |
| 05:48.08 | ariel | last week |
| 05:48.13 | ElectricElf | ariel: Right. |
| 05:48.21 | ElectricElf | ariel: And this is when you noticed the slowdown I presume? |
| 05:48.28 | mwilson | ElectricElf: Since I want it to leave my static /dev alone, recreating it on each boot would be more than a little silly. |
| 05:48.29 | Danar | anyone know why i'd be unable to eject a dvd when lsof says nothing is using it? |
| 05:48.35 | ariel | I had both of them installed and later I deleted slackware |
| 05:48.44 | darkcmd | ElectricElf, it shouldn't be much.. slackware packages are built for i486 |
| 05:48.53 | mwilson | Danar: Because the drive is locked. Didn't you say that the player hung? |
| 05:48.57 | rob0 | darkcmd: switched as in completely? I still run mostly Slackware, Debian only on laptop. |
| 05:49.09 | Danar | i could probably stick something in the little hole to open it, but i'd like to find out why |
| 05:49.14 | Danar | mwilson: no, it didn't |
| 05:49.29 | Danar | it gave an error saying it couldn't read it |
| 05:49.38 | Danar | then i closed it |
| 05:49.51 | ariel | x window runs with diferent performance on each distro |
| 05:50.08 | ElectricElf | ariel: So then, that was about when you noticed the slowdown? When you switched from a Slack desktop to a Debian desktop? |
| 05:50.11 | Danar | hah. got it |
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| 05:50.34 | Cindux | hey all |
| 05:50.40 | AwesomeMachine | hi |
| 05:50.45 | Cindux | could anyone help me add myself to the sudoers file? |
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| 05:50.59 | AwesomeMachine | /etc/sudoers |
| 05:51.03 | Cindux | i did visudo & have it open, but i have NO idea what to modify/add |
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| 05:51.07 | Cindux | = / |
| 05:51.12 | Cindux | i dont know what to do lol |
| 05:51.22 | Cindux | i just installed debian now |
| 05:51.24 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Careful, Md works on it |
| 05:51.27 | ElectricElf | mwilson: You might lose an arm |
| 05:51.41 | AwesomeMachine | cindux, I never have used that tool |
| 05:51.52 | ElectricElf | Cindux: What's your username? |
| 05:51.53 | Cindux | well its not a tool |
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| 05:52.01 | Cindux | it looked like a text file |
| 05:52.02 | mwilson | ElectricElf: Oh, I'm *always* very careful with any package that has his name on it. They always get audited. |
| 05:52.03 | ariel | I got a slight sensation that kde runs a bit faster under slack |
| 05:52.06 | Danar | ok, there's a small faint scratch near the outer edge, i suppose that could cause it... |
| 05:52.08 | AwesomeMachine | Cindux, what you log in with |
| 05:52.08 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Hehe :) |
| 05:52.11 | ariel | and gnome too |
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| 05:52.19 | ElectricElf | ariel: "a bit faster"? |
| 05:52.20 | Danar | but then, if it's near the outer edge, shouldn't it be near the beginning or end of the movie? |
| 05:52.21 | AwesomeMachine | and your group should be the same |
| 05:52.23 | mwilson | I think you think I'm kidding. |
| 05:52.25 | ElectricElf | ariel: I thought you were noticing some major slowdown? |
| 05:52.29 | ElectricElf | mwilson: I don't |
| 05:52.31 | Cindux | i log in with cindux |
| 05:52.32 | Danar | it stops just before the middle of the movie |
| 05:52.43 | AwesomeMachine | debian creates a group with the user |
| 05:52.57 | Cindux | my group / user is same thing i think |
| 05:53.04 | AwesomeMachine | Cindux, that's it |
| 05:53.11 | ElectricElf | Cindux: K, the line you want to add is 'cindux ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
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| 05:53.38 | AwesomeMachine | Cindux, hold on a sec |
| 05:53.41 | ElectricElf | Cindux: That means 'User cindux can run on all hosts (as any user) any command' |
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| 05:53.56 | Cindux | wait so im not technically running like root am i? |
| 05:53.58 | maher | can we send Md some prozac or something - he needs to cheer up |
| 05:54.07 | Cindux | im jus looking to be able to use the sudo / su commands in command line |
| 05:54.13 | ElectricElf | Cindux: Use sudo |
| 05:54.17 | ElectricElf | Cindux: Definitely the right way to go |
| 05:54.26 | Cindux | i tried but because im not on the sudoers list |
| 05:54.28 | Cindux | i cant |
| 05:54.30 | ElectricElf | Cindux: When you run 'sudo command --and=arguments', it'll be running as root |
| 05:54.37 | Cindux | it says user cindux not on list, this will be reported |
| 05:54.40 | Cindux | somethin like that |
| 05:54.42 | ElectricElf | Cindux: But that's a whole lot better than logging in as root, or running as root all the time, or even using 'su' |
| 05:54.45 | ElectricElf | Cindux: Yes |
| 05:54.50 | ElectricElf | Cindux: Run, as root, 'visudo' |
| 05:54.56 | Cindux | k |
| 05:54.58 | ElectricElf | Cindux: Add the line 'cindux ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
| 05:55.03 | Cindux | anywhere? |
| 05:55.08 | mwilson | Ok, udev's postinst makes my head hurt |
| 05:55.09 | ElectricElf | Cindux: At the end? :) |
| 05:55.17 | Cindux | Oo thanks lol :P |
| 05:55.22 | ariel | well, if I put debian to work it became more slow, for example under slack I was able to burn a cd at 24x while I play xmms and play station emulator at the same time |
| 05:55.23 | ElectricElf | Cindux: No probs |
| 05:55.26 | Cindux | k ill do that now |
| 05:55.28 | AwesomeMachine | Cindux, try from a root shell <sudo chown -R <username>:<group> |
| 05:55.37 | ElectricElf | ariel: Notice any other slowdowns? |
| 05:55.45 | AwesomeMachine | without <> |
| 05:55.46 | ElectricElf | ariel: (We probably have a solution for that one :) |
| 05:56.11 | dut | good morning. I'm install UTF-8 locale as my system locale, but now i have problem with input. When i type any chars in terminal and after that i want delete those chars i press backspace. But backspace works more times than number of my chars... |
| 05:56.17 | ElectricElf | ariel: (But let's just make sure that it's just something isolated and not some major system-wide problem) |
| 05:56.19 | ariel | I won't leave debian |
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| 05:56.36 | AwesomeMachine | debian is sooooooo cool |
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| 05:56.47 | ElectricElf | ariel: Did anybody ask about that? Just answer my bloody question :) |
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| 05:57.18 | ariel | about what? |
| 05:57.20 | AwesomeMachine | ElectricElf, what is the question, or is there one?] |
| 05:57.31 | ElectricElf | AwesomeMachine: "Notice any other slowdowns?" |
| 05:57.46 | AwesomeMachine | debian is slow |
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| 05:58.03 | AwesomeMachine | unless you compile a kernel |
| 05:58.25 | ElectricElf | ariel: Notice any other slowdowns? |
| 05:58.34 | AwesomeMachine | but I'm running it on P4 3.0 GHz so it's ok |
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| 05:58.40 | mwilson | ElectricElf: Am I reading this right? Md's gone back to trying to force people into the devfs naming scheme? |
| 05:58.49 | mwilson | (I can't be reading this right) |
| 05:58.50 | ariel | no, just what I told you before |
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| 05:59.01 | ElectricElf | ariel: Ah okay |
| 05:59.06 | ElectricElf | ariel: That's probably just DMA not being turned on |
| 05:59.08 | mwilson | I thought he got his head handed to him last time. |
| 05:59.09 | ElectricElf | ariel: 'apt-get install hdparm' |
| 05:59.25 | ElectricElf | ariel: Then run 'hdparm -d1 -c1 /dev/hd<x>', where <x> is 'a', then 'b', then 'c' etc |
| 05:59.30 | ElectricElf | ariel: For each of your drives |
| 05:59.40 | ElectricElf | ariel: Wait about 10 seconds between each run of the command (one for each drive) |
| 05:59.52 | ElectricElf | ariel: Then try burning a CD or something and running whatever it is you normally find slow during the process. |
| 05:59.54 | _gentgeen_ | I have a system wide fetchmail config, I do I get it to then send the mail to procmail? |
| 06:00.04 | ElectricElf | ariel: If that appears to have fixed it, be warned that it'll be reset after boot |
| 06:00.14 | ElectricElf | ariel: You'll have to edit /etc/hdparm.conf to make it permanent |
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| 06:00.29 | peet | how do i mount a usb drive? |
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| 06:00.55 | ElectricElf | ariel: There area few examples in there; you want 'dma = on' and 'io32_support = 1' for each of your drives |
| 06:00.56 | clcont | anyone know how i could set my PS1 to only the current two levels of directory? |
| 06:01.01 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Where do you read that? |
| 06:01.05 | ElectricElf | mwilson: (You must be misreading) |
| 06:01.34 | ElectricElf | clcont: I don't think Bash is capable of that using a simple excape |
| 06:01.46 | ElectricElf | clcont: You'd have to use something like $PROMPT_COMMAND or a $() in $PS1 |
| 06:01.53 | ElectricElf | clcont: zsh supports it natively I believe |
| 06:01.53 | clcont | well i thought about using $PWD and cut |
| 06:01.58 | ariel | I thought the same but it's enabled I saw it at boot time and I made a simple test I moved an big iso-image from one partition to other and the transfer rate was 36Mb/seg |
| 06:01.59 | mwilson | ElectricElf: There's a devfs rules file in here. I'm just looking at how the package decides what to install. |
| 06:02.00 | clcont | but then i couldn't figure out how to cut backwards |
| 06:02.01 | clcont | lol |
| 06:02.11 | ElectricElf | clcont: 'cut -f-3' :) |
| 06:02.18 | mwilson | ElectricElf: I note it doesn't support OSS by default, or I haven't found it yet anyway. |
| 06:02.22 | clcont | hmm |
| 06:02.27 | ElectricElf | clcont: (Or rather, 'cut -f-3 /', would leave the last 3 segments) |
| 06:02.30 | clcont | i was using cut -f-2 |
| 06:02.36 | clcont | maybe thats why it was always blank |
| 06:02.39 | ElectricElf | mwilson: It doesn't, no |
| 06:02.48 | ElectricElf | mwilson: The devfs rules are in there by demand from what I know |
| 06:02.57 | ElectricElf | mwilson: For people who switched to it fairly early and don't want to unswitch |
| 06:03.01 | ariel | and I get the same result using konqueror browser to do it |
| 06:03.03 | mwilson | Well, no OSS would make it a non-starter for me. |
| 06:03.05 | ElectricElf | mwilson: It's certainly not used in the default |
| 06:03.06 | clcont | maybe thats why it was always blank but now i have to count how many / there are |
| 06:03.07 | clcont | heh |
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| 06:03.29 | ElectricElf | ariel: Can you paste the output of 'hdparm -d -c /dev/hda' please? |
| 06:03.34 | ElectricElf | ariel: (In here is fine.0 |
| 06:03.48 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Make 'em manually |
| 06:03.59 | ElectricElf | mwilson: (If you care about it anyways) |
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| 06:04.05 | mwilson | ElectricElf: And watch them disappear again on the next restart. |
| 06:04.23 | clcont | so count how many / and then use cut |
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| 06:04.52 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Use the conffile |
| 06:05.25 | ariel | IO_support = 1 (32-bit) |
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| 06:05.26 | ElectricElf | mwilson: Or modify it so that it doesn't use tmpfs, like you were saying |
| 06:05.33 | mwilson | ElectricElf: Yeah. |
| 06:05.37 | ariel | using_dma = 1 (on) |
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| 06:05.49 | ElectricElf | ariel: Well that should be it |
| 06:05.58 | mwilson | Hm... does it *like* dbus, or does it *require* dbus... |
| 06:06.24 | ElectricElf | ariel: Are you maybe noticing the slowdown just near the end of a burn? |
| 06:06.30 | jetscreamer | something gnome-ish requires dbus, all i know |
| 06:06.30 | ElectricElf | ariel: (As opposed to all the way through?) |
| 06:06.40 | mwilson | jetscreamer: The VFS does. |
| 06:06.58 | mwilson | jetscreamer: dbus is such a typically Gnome thing. |
| 06:07.35 | ariel | system tends to be slow during the burning process |
| 06:07.56 | ElectricElf | ariel: No idea then |
| 06:07.58 | ElectricElf | ariel: Maybe gremlins :) |
| 06:08.11 | ElectricElf | ariel: Very doubtful there would be any difference between Debian and Slack which would cause it |
| 06:08.19 | darkcmd | does gnome require dbus? |
| 06:08.25 | ElectricElf | ariel: Both 2.4.x and 2.6.x handle CD burning just fine, assuming DMA and the like is turned on. |
| 06:08.31 | jetscreamer | something gnomish does |
| 06:08.37 | mwilson | darkcmd: Parts of it do. |
| 06:08.44 | jetscreamer | cant say it's exactly gnome |
| 06:08.54 | darkcmd | holy crap.. there are a lot of debian installers |
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| 06:09.12 | ElectricElf | darkcmd: There are a lot of Debian forks too :) |
| 06:09.15 | ElectricElf | (Yay Debian) |
| 06:09.24 | ElectricElf | (Not so fond of the forks, but ehy_) |
| 06:09.29 | jetscreamer | gtg my personal life just enraged me |
| 06:09.36 | ariel | do you think that compiling kernel would fix this in some way ? |
| 06:09.41 | darkcmd | is there 1 default installer that is the same on sarge, woody, and sid |
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| 06:09.49 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Oh, but it's entirely Gnome-like... "we think all the existing IPC systems are irretrievably broken, so we'll implement yet another one..." |
| 06:09.50 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: no |
| 06:09.50 | ElectricElf | ariel: Who knows? |
| 06:09.56 | ElectricElf | ariel: It's gremlins as far as I can tell |
| 06:09.58 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, are they all different? |
| 06:10.06 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: there is an installer for woody, and a totally different one for sarge. |
| 06:10.09 | ElectricElf | ariel: Talking to it sternly might do it, compiling a kernel might do it :) |
| 06:10.12 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: you don't install sid directly. |
| 06:10.16 | darkcmd | oh yeah |
| 06:10.22 | darkcmd | you upgrade from sarge or woody right |
| 06:10.29 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: generally, yes. |
| 06:10.42 | darkcmd | or there are the "unofficial" isos |
| 06:10.43 | darkcmd | right |
| 06:10.55 | dondelelcaro | or you know enough to change the sources.list after getting base installed to actually install sid |
| 06:11.23 | nvz | mwilson: "The D-BUS API isn't finished yet, and the design is by no means set in stone. One of our main goals is for lots of projects to use it, so if you wouldn't use it, by all means mail us and say why - design, licensing, indentation style ..." |
| 06:12.16 | ariel | what kernel do you think I should install 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 06:13.02 | holycow | and indeed projects are planning to use dbus, kde has some ramblings on moving to dbus circa 4.0 |
| 06:13.17 | darkcmd | yeah.. a standard would be nice |
| 06:13.21 | maher | time to get on dbus! |
| 06:13.26 | darkcmd | instead of kde using dcop, and other stuff |
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| 06:13.49 | mwilson | <shrug> Doesn't matter to me what Gnome and KDE do, as I have no use for either one. |
| 06:13.51 | nvz | yeah, seems they are actually welcoming mwilson's input.. heh $DIETY help them |
| 06:14.08 | darkcmd | is the sarge installer, and then the sarge netinstaller roughly the same? |
| 06:14.29 | holycow | darkcmd, err... exactly the same thing? |
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| 06:14.38 | dut | I'm install UTF-8 locale as my system locale, but now i have problem with input. When i type any chars in terminal and after that deleting those chars by pressing backspace. But backspace works more times than number of my chars... and it's "clean" my prompt too. What i do wrong? |
| 06:14.46 | mwilson | Gnome doesn't actually care about your input unless you're a Gnome programmer (they've stated so publically)... I have no idea what KDE cares about. |
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| 06:15.04 | darkcmd | holycow, are they pretty much the same... |
| 06:15.06 | mwilson | But they can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't get inflicted on me. |
| 06:15.15 | darkcmd | only the netinstall just does the install over the net |
| 06:15.33 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: any of the installers can do the install over the net |
| 06:15.34 | holycow | darkcmd, wtf kind of question is that then when you know the answer? |
| 06:16.48 | darkcmd | holycow, huh? |
| 06:17.00 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, i see a netinstaller.. and a sarge installer |
| 06:17.00 | mwilson | Oh, I'm screwed anyway. You have to have at least 2.6.8 |
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| 06:17.16 | holycow | darkcmd is the sarge installer, and then the sarge netinstaller roughly the same? <-- why ask something like that if you know the answer? |
| 06:17.17 | mwilson | Can't even throw it on my junk box. |
| 06:17.28 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: it's the same installer. One has packages beyond base, the other doesn't. |
| 06:17.31 | nvz | I need to match my windows again now that I have a 640x480 resolution, and also change my mouse protocol since I dont seem to get scroll events |
| 06:17.44 | nvz | I think I'll save it for the morning, I am a bit tired |
| 06:18.02 | darkcmd | dondelelcaro, so the debian sarge installer and the netinstaller are the same? |
| 06:18.16 | darkcmd | just one has packages on it.. and one just gives you a base to install via net |
| 06:19.23 | nvz | darkcmd: the "Sarge Installer" is called Debian-Installer, and it comes in many flavors for different archs, and package formats, I.E. full disk sets, netinstall, and even netinstall with base |
| 06:19.35 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:19.52 | darkcmd | full disk sets... is the whole distro on the cds |
| 06:19.53 | darkcmd | right |
| 06:20.07 | nvz | darkcmd: yes, like 14cds, or 2dvds for all of sarge |
| 06:20.22 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:20.38 | darkcmd | and do new images get made.. a lot |
| 06:20.38 | calin | WOah, I just had the single most fucking craziest thoughts ever. |
| 06:20.42 | darkcmd | or are most old |
| 06:21.46 | nvz | darkcmd: you dont need them all usually even if you want to do a full install. you only need enough to get the packages you want. The debian popularity contest helps make sure the most popular packages appear first on the cd order.. and naturally you dont usually need to install 14,000+ packages at an installed size of more than 23GB. |
| 06:22.07 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:22.14 | darkcmd | problem is I have dial up |
| 06:22.25 | darkcmd | i'd like to do net |
| 06:22.32 | calin | when artificial intelligence comes out, as soon as the open source community builds it into the kernel, there will be a /proc/meaning/life-4.2 |
| 06:23.07 | nvz | darkcmd: heh, you should see a doctor. Desire to cause oneself pain isnt normal |
| 06:23.23 | darkcmd | nvz, what do you mean? I shouldn't get sarge? |
| 06:24.31 | nvz | darkcmd: well netinstall either comes with nothing at all or just a base system, all else would have to be d/l, and on dialup that could take awhile. it would be least painful to buy cds, or perhaps burn them from someone who has faster connection |
| 06:24.57 | darkcmd | yeah but how... recent are the cds? |
| 06:25.33 | nvz | darkcmd: on the other hand.. if you are not in a hurry, and dont have the option to buy or ask a friend... the netinstall would be a minimal d/l then you dont d/l anything else unless you need/want it |
| 06:25.51 | nvz | darkcmd: with the cds you could end up d/l more than you will actually use I suppose |
| 06:26.10 | darkcmd | are the cd images usually up to date with all of the latest packages in the repos? |
| 06:26.12 | godsmoke | not to mention you download old versions of things |
| 06:26.27 | nvz | yeah with the case of sarge I guess thats true |
| 06:26.33 | godsmoke | yes, it is |
| 06:26.41 | godsmoke | you're much better off with the netinst |
| 06:26.45 | godsmoke | and installing only what you need |
| 06:26.47 | godsmoke | and only the newest |
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| 06:26.52 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:26.54 | godsmoke | even on dialup |
| 06:27.12 | darkcmd | does the netinstall work decent with dial? |
| 06:27.30 | godsmoke | well, the installer has nothing to do with the downloading of packages |
| 06:27.41 | godsmoke | installation of packages (aside from base) happens after the install |
| 06:27.42 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: it can, but it's probably not what you want to do |
| 06:27.44 | darkcmd | like I mean.. does it support dial decently |
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| 06:28.01 | godsmoke | darkcmd: read above |
| 06:28.04 | darkcmd | then what do I want to do.. I want to have an up to date sarge install |
| 06:28.18 | godsmoke | get dsl? :) |
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| 06:28.27 | darkcmd | I can't |
| 06:28.31 | darkcmd | not available in the area |
| 06:28.37 | nvz | I've not used dialup since I've used linux.. I've only been using linux about 5 years. Though people I have setup dialup for, I found the external modems are a breeze.. its those damn HSF modems or even worse winmodems, that are the worst |
| 06:28.43 | godsmoke | no high speed available? |
| 06:28.45 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: then use the netinst iso, or have a friend with a high speed line burn the first (and possibly second) full iso |
| 06:28.49 | pipegeek | Hi all. caphuso's advice was helpful, in that it got grub working again, but I am still unable to boot into windows. If I select "windows" from the grub menu, I get "Disk I/O Error: Replace the disk, then press any key". When I reboot, the partition table's messed up again. |
| 06:28.57 | simonrvn | nvz: yes |
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| 06:29.12 | darkcmd | hmm will the sarge netinstall.. install gnome and stuff |
| 06:29.16 | darkcmd | automatically |
| 06:29.22 | dondelelcaro | darkcmd: not unless you tell it to |
| 06:29.24 | godsmoke | darkcmd: uh, no ... |
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| 06:29.31 | godsmoke | debian does not install anything unless you tell it to |
| 06:29.34 | godsmoke | other than base |
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| 06:29.36 | pipegeek | As in, the type of each partition is listed as 93, rather than 83, meaning that grub can't mount the /boot partition. My hard disk is set up as follows: |
| 06:29.37 | darkcmd | would selecting desktop environment do that? |
| 06:29.40 | simonrvn | !tell root____ about root |
| 06:29.47 | godsmoke | yes ... but I wouldn't recommending doing it that way |
| 06:29.48 | pipegeek | /dev/hda2 (/boot) - 100mb |
| 06:29.55 | pipegeek | /dev/hda3(swap) 500mb |
| 06:29.59 | godsmoke | and you'll need to learn how to install things anyway -- so no point in skipping that |
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| 06:30.09 | joshk | anyone else having problems with latest nvidia-kernel-source + linux 2.6.11? |
| 06:30.10 | darkcmd | godsmoke, :( |
| 06:30.10 | pipegeek | /dev/hda1(/) 33GB |
| 06:30.16 | godsmoke | apt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome |
| 06:30.20 | darkcmd | i'd like to have a desktop environment up |
| 06:30.20 | joshk | i get a few lines from the top of the X11 display, but nothing else |
| 06:30.21 | pipegeek | /dev/hda4 (windows) 7gb |
| 06:30.21 | godsmoke | that's all you need to run to get gnome running |
| 06:30.25 | darkcmd | oh well |
| 06:30.27 | joshk | the cursor always appears |
| 06:30.29 | simonrvn | joshk: no |
| 06:30.33 | joshk | but the rest of the screen is not painted |
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| 06:30.43 | joshk | kind of a weird bug |
| 06:30.55 | darkcmd | so I assume the cds have a lot of old programs on them, right? |
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| 06:31.11 | godsmoke | darkcmd: it depends on when the cds were built -- I don't recommend using the cds as an installation method |
| 06:31.23 | darkcmd | hmm |
| 06:31.24 | godsmoke | even the base system is fully out of date in sarge now |
| 06:31.26 | pipegeek | I've googled for "disk i/o error" grub, and only gotten three (unrelated) hits. I am running sarge, and grub from sarge. Any ideas? |
| 06:31.29 | darkcmd | dang dial up |
| 06:31.30 | godsmoke | it all has to be upgraded |
| 06:31.34 | darkcmd | I wish I could get broadband |
| 06:31.44 | godsmoke | can't you just go to a friend's house for the install? |
| 06:31.49 | godsmoke | it'll save you hours |
| 06:31.51 | godsmoke | many hours |
| 06:31.52 | nvz | putting a 100mb boot after a 33GB swap seems pointless to me.. one its huge for a directory only holding a few kernels.. you could fit some 20+ kernels with initrd in there.. and its already past the 1024cyl being after a 33gb partition.. so its not helping there either |
| 06:32.10 | pipegeek | no no no |
| 06:32.11 | darkcmd | godsmoke, does the base system include gcc |
| 06:32.17 | godsmoke | no ... |
| 06:32.18 | joshk | no |
| 06:32.18 | pipegeek | nvz: it's before the 33GB / |
| 06:32.25 | pipegeek | nvz: not after. |
| 06:32.27 | godsmoke | "base system" == nearly bare minimum to run a system |
| 06:32.31 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:32.37 | godsmoke | it includes almost nothing |
| 06:32.47 | darkcmd | like bash.. ls |
| 06:32.47 | darkcmd | and stuff |
| 06:32.47 | darkcmd | right |
| 06:32.50 | godsmoke | yes |
| 06:32.56 | godsmoke | and apt, most importantly |
| 06:32.58 | darkcmd | and a kernel |
| 06:33.00 | godsmoke | so you can install other things |
| 06:33.00 | godsmoke | yea |
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| 06:33.11 | peet | how do i turn off iptables? |
| 06:33.11 | godsmoke | the system will boot up, and you can log in, and edit configs, and so forth |
| 06:33.12 | godsmoke | not much more |
| 06:33.13 | nvz | If I designate space to /boot I leave very little, enough for about 5 kernels tops.. when I am not being lazy I keep 3 in there.. a rescue kernel from the cd I installed from, latest stable debian kernel, and whatever I am testing at the time |
| 06:33.17 | darkcmd | hmm.. how do you update the base system? |
| 06:33.24 | godsmoke | just like you update anything in debian |
| 06:33.26 | godsmoke | apt-get update |
| 06:33.28 | godsmoke | apt-get upgrade |
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| 06:33.42 | peet | does anyone konw how i can't turn off iptables? |
| 06:33.45 | godsmoke | run those two commands, and everything installed will be brought to the newest version |
| 06:33.47 | darkcmd | so apt-get update (blank) |
| 06:33.50 | godsmoke | no |
| 06:33.51 | darkcmd | apt-get update base ? |
| 06:33.56 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:33.57 | godsmoke | no |
| 06:34.00 | godsmoke | read the apt howto |
| 06:34.06 | nvz | I generally label their links /vmlinuz.r, /vmlinuz.s, /vmlinuz.t, accordingly |
| 06:34.06 | godsmoke | apt-get update updates the list of packages |
| 06:34.09 | pipegeek | nvz: I certainly allocated more than I needed to. Is that really a problem here, though? It's at the start of the drive, so it's well under the limit. |
| 06:34.11 | darkcmd | so.. run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 06:34.13 | godsmoke | apt-get upgrade upgrades all versions |
| 06:34.15 | godsmoke | yes |
| 06:34.32 | godsmoke | just read the apt howto/man page |
| 06:34.42 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:34.43 | godsmoke | you'll need to do a lot of reading, this is all going to be new to you |
| 06:34.48 | pipegeek | nvz: In any event, the problem is with hda4. |
| 06:34.49 | nvz | pipegeek: who knows :P I just seen what looked to be good intentions in partitioning gone bad, you may be right :) |
| 06:34.57 | darkcmd | i'm used to slack |
| 06:35.08 | godsmoke | heh |
| 06:35.17 | godsmoke | well, then read everything debian-specific, obviously |
| 06:35.20 | simonrvn | apt-get dselect-upgrade is recommended |
| 06:35.33 | darkcmd | simonrvn, yeah? |
| 06:35.35 | pipegeek | nvz: Well, thankee. Mayaps there is something odd here. |
| 06:35.55 | simonrvn | less rpone to borkage, IME |
| 06:35.59 | simonrvn | prone even |
| 06:36.00 | godsmoke | heh |
| 06:36.12 | godsmoke | there's disagreement on that :) |
| 06:36.20 | godsmoke | but, it's certainly one opinion |
| 06:36.58 | darkcmd | what allows debian to dynamically update the menus in kde and gnome.. after you install a package |
| 06:37.19 | godsmoke | uh, it's already handled by the menu package |
| 06:37.27 | simonrvn | update-menus gets called, system-wide |
| 06:37.32 | darkcmd | i was just wondering |
| 06:37.37 | darkcmd | cool... |
| 06:37.46 | simonrvn | a user can call it too, for their ~/ menus |
| 06:37.48 | darkcmd | I like how it does that |
| 06:37.59 | godsmoke | darkcmd: it'll work on any window manager that comes with debian (as far as I know) |
| 06:38.07 | peet | does anyone know how to disable iptables? |
| 06:38.29 | simonrvn | peet: disable? in what sense? |
| 06:38.48 | peet | simonrvn: so i can ssh into my computer remotely |
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| 06:39.03 | peet | simonrvn: because right now its being blocked |
| 06:39.06 | godsmoke | you don't disable iptables to do that |
| 06:39.06 | simonrvn | peet: you mean allow access to a port |
| 06:39.09 | Biovore | by default you should be able to ssh into a debian box |
| 06:39.10 | godsmoke | you just need to open a port |
| 06:39.21 | peet | how do i open the port |
| 06:39.36 | Biovore | iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 06:39.43 | simonrvn | you don't open a port, the port is already open, sshd is listening on it |
| 06:39.58 | peet | but how come i get denied? |
| 06:40.17 | Biovore | whats your iptables setup? |
| 06:40.30 | peet | i didn't do anything to it |
| 06:40.32 | peet | at all |
| 06:40.36 | peet | i wasn't even aware i had it |
| 06:40.38 | Biovore | iptables --list |
| 06:40.46 | simonrvn | probably because it's being blocked by your ISP, or the machine you're trying to connect to; hence the need to punch a hole open, like Biovore said |
| 06:40.55 | peet | how do you punch a hole :O |
| 06:41.04 | peet | im new (1 month) into my debian system |
| 06:41.04 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 06:41.05 | Biovore | iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:41.08 | peet | i did that |
| 06:41.19 | Biovore | did you do state tracking? |
| 06:41.45 | Biovore | iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 06:41.47 | simonrvn | i doubt s/he'll know what state tracking is.. |
| 06:41.55 | Biovore | yeah |
| 06:41.59 | peet | well whats state tracking? |
| 06:42.07 | peet | like they see your ipaddress and see wha region you're in? |
| 06:42.08 | Biovore | TCP works in states |
| 06:42.13 | simonrvn | www.netfilter.org HOWTOs |
| 06:42.21 | simonrvn | www.tldp.org |
| 06:42.22 | Biovore | ^ good place to start |
| 06:42.26 | peet | i know about iok thanks |
| 06:42.33 | peet | i know a bit baout ip and routing and stuff htough |
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| 06:42.41 | peet | jus tnot how to set up iptables :X |
| 06:42.51 | Biovore | new state / established state / related state |
| 06:43.18 | Biovore | iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ( tells IPTABLES to allow all already establish connections) |
| 06:43.44 | Biovore | iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 22 -j ACCEPT ( this allows for new connections on port 22 (ssh) ) |
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| 06:43.58 | Biovore | are you trying to login as root? |
| 06:44.01 | Biovore | via ssh |
| 06:44.06 | peet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.09 | Biovore | ok.. |
| 06:44.19 | peet | well what if i am it hsouldn't make a difference right? |
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| 06:44.46 | Biovore | sometimes ssh is sometimes setup not to allow root logins |
| 06:44.55 | Biovore | I think the default in sarge is to allow them.. |
| 06:45.10 | peet | hmm icic |
| 06:45.11 | nvz | sometimes redundancy is sometimes repetitve |
| 06:45.22 | Biovore | lol |
| 06:45.23 | peet | i shall can i ssh into a remote computer and form there ssh back? |
| 06:45.26 | simonrvn | sometimes redundancy is sometimes repetitve |
| 06:45.29 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 06:45.34 | peet | ;P |
| 06:45.45 | simonrvn | nvz: *grin* |
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| 06:46.54 | klaxian | do you guys know a good graphical sFTP client (SSH)? |
| 06:47.00 | nvz | well, I got plans to meet some rather annoying people for breakfast in the morning... so I guess I had better get some sleep |
| 06:47.35 | simonrvn | nvz: g'night |
| 06:47.37 | peet | for debian i assume :O |
| 06:47.41 | guestish | debian! |
| 06:47.47 | klaxian | yes |
| 06:47.49 | nvz | (: g'night |
| 06:47.58 | guestish | yay! |
| 06:48.09 | simonrvn | uxterm -e ssh foo@bar ;p |
| 06:48.22 | klaxian | heh ya thanks |
| 06:48.26 | klaxian | :-P |
| 06:48.35 | klaxian | even a decent command client would be fine |
| 06:48.36 | guestish | putty! |
| 06:48.42 | guestish | putty has a few |
| 06:48.46 | klaxian | sftp isn't too pleasant |
| 06:48.54 | klaxian | isn't putty a windows app? |
| 06:48.58 | guestish | nay my good sir |
| 06:49.02 | guestish | well yea, it is |
| 06:49.03 | peet | uxterm tried to use locale en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 06:49.05 | peet | :O |
| 06:49.05 | simonrvn | linux port |
| 06:49.05 | guestish | but theres a linux port ;) |
| 06:49.14 | guestish | !hsftp |
| 06:49.15 | klaxian | oh, is that really the best one? |
| 06:49.16 | guestish | humph |
| 06:49.22 | simonrvn | peet: that's the point of the u :) |
| 06:49.25 | guestish | best? |
| 06:49.32 | guestish | hsftp - Ssh client with look and feel of a FTP client <--- this what you want? |
| 06:49.34 | peet | simonrvn: i donn't follow =[ |
| 06:49.40 | klaxian | yah that would work :) |
| 06:49.43 | klaxian | let me try it |
| 06:49.53 | simonrvn | peet: the u in uxterm is for unicode |
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| 06:50.07 | guestish | mmk |
| 06:50.10 | guestish | i really like putty though |
| 06:50.15 | guestish | its so...puttyish |
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| 06:50.18 | guestish | its great |
| 06:50.22 | klaxian | haha |
| 06:50.27 | klaxian | i'll look into that too |
| 06:50.30 | klaxian | debian package? |
| 06:50.33 | guestish | putty-tools |
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| 06:50.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:50.57 | klaxian | k |
| 06:51.01 | guestish | putt-ttt-tt-ttt-tt-yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 06:51.04 | peet | can anyone get officeXP to work in wine? =\ |
| 06:51.09 | Biovore | nope |
| 06:51.10 | guestish | peet: wrong chan chan |
| 06:51.15 | Guerin | i host a cpo[y of putty.exe on my webserver because the url is shorter |
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| 06:51.17 | peet | yah yah |
| 06:51.17 | guestish | peet: crossover office is what you want |
| 06:51.19 | peet | just wonderin |
| 06:51.22 | guestish | and its $$$ |
| 06:51.29 | Biovore | cross wont do offic XP |
| 06:51.35 | guestish | says who? |
| 06:51.36 | peet | well actually theres just one function in excel that i need |
| 06:51.41 | Biovore | codeweavers |
| 06:51.41 | peet | otherwise gnumeric rox |
| 06:51.48 | simonrvn | Guerin: oh, like http://host/putty.exe ? ;) |
| 06:51.49 | guestish | Biovore: well ok then |
| 06:51.56 | Biovore | alteast not yet |
| 06:52.00 | ugenn | i have an nis problem. when i run yppasswd to change passwds, it updates /etc/shadow, but the /var/yp database remains unchanged. |
| 06:52.02 | guestish | heh |
| 06:52.04 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah, feayn.org/~lewis/putty.exe |
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| 06:52.17 | Guerin | I've been without internet for more than a month now |
| 06:52.22 | simonrvn | ugenn: run make there |
| 06:52.43 | ugenn | simonrvn: already did |
| 06:52.51 | ugenn | in /var/yp righjt? |
| 06:52.51 | simonrvn | no change? |
| 06:52.55 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:53.10 | simonrvn | make -C /var/yp |
| 06:53.14 | ugenn | simonrvn: am i supposed to run make everytime yppasswd is called? |
| 06:53.32 | guestish | make peace, not war |
| 06:53.42 | guestish | wait, or is it love |
| 06:53.43 | Guerin | grrr, fucking hell, how to undelete messages in mutt/ |
| 06:53.45 | guestish | i dunno |
| 06:53.50 | simonrvn | AFAIK, when the db (e.g., /etc/passwd, etc.) gets changed |
| 06:53.59 | Guerin | u would work, but I can't select them |
| 06:54.17 | simonrvn | go above it, then keep u down ;) |
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| 06:54.28 | AwesomeMachine | can someone post the contents of /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/hosts who has dhcp |
| 06:54.33 | guestish | Guerin: wrong channel, try #computerhaters ;) |
| 06:54.38 | Xenguy | Guerin: my gawd, yer back :-) |
| 06:54.38 | OrionBerlin | Hello |
| 06:54.42 | guestish | !dhcp |
| 06:54.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 06:54.47 | guestish | !interfaces |
| 06:54.47 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man ... |
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| 06:54.54 | *** mode/#Debian [-b *!*@68.212.232.15] by bob2 |
| 06:54.55 | guestish | there ya go |
| 06:54.56 | *** mode/#Debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 06:55.02 | simonrvn | !tell AwesomeMachine about man interfaces |
| 06:55.12 | ugenn | simonrvn: well, yppasswd does modify shadow, but then when it's run again, it doesn't recognise the modified password. |
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| 06:55.31 | OrionBerlin | One Quetion, Which Debian shoueld i download? The Woody or Sarge version?! I dont know which is better or for what are more Packets |
| 06:55.36 | simonrvn | ugenn: hrm :/. sorry i can't help more |
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| 06:55.51 | guestish | OrionBerlin: woody is old and decrepid, and sarge is new and slightly buggy |
| 06:55.54 | peet | is sarge not stable enough? i think sarge is definitely stable enough for us :O |
| 06:56.12 | peet | woody is VERY old =\ |
| 06:56.15 | peet | fluxbox 0.1 hah |
| 06:56.17 | OrionBerlin | guestish, so what shoueld i take? hehe |
| 06:56.19 | guestish | OrionBerlin: the lesser of two wievels |
| 06:56.40 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: what do you mean by better? |
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| 06:56.42 | Biovore | in debian there is unstable (un stale) and stable (stale) |
| 06:56.45 | guestish | wievels |
| 06:56.45 | jope | I've tryed almost everything but can't get Apache to use my VirtualHosts file... :| |
| 06:56.47 | guestish | hrm |
| 06:56.48 | holycow | yeah i was surprised even when woody was new with the versions of kde and gnome that were in it |
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| 06:56.57 | peet | Biovore: :D |
| 06:57.12 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, for what are more packages and all whats the different between both that i mean ;) |
| 06:57.17 | Guerin | fuck, is sarge still not out |
| 06:57.19 | ugenn | simonrvn: thanks anyway. |
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| 06:57.21 | Biovore | debians unstable is about 200x more stable then windows stable |
| 06:57.33 | peet | agree |
| 06:57.39 | peet | well besides wine :b |
| 06:57.45 | mwilson | Guerin: What do you think? |
| 06:57.45 | guestish | test |
| 06:57.50 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: sarge. you seem like a beginner, sarge is safe, but has newer stuff |
| 06:57.53 | guestish | wievels |
| 06:57.57 | guestish | sweet, works |
| 06:58.02 | simonrvn | ahem, safer |
| 06:58.04 | jope | The synax is right but it won't overwrite the main apache settings like it should =/ |
| 06:58.10 | guestish | Biovore: well, maybe closer to 199x |
| 06:58.21 | guestish | 200x is an overexaggeration |
| 06:58.23 | Chameleon22 | how would i copy a CD to a file (iso) using dd? |
| 06:58.35 | guestish | Chameleon22: you wouldnt...you would use bin/cue iirc |
| 06:58.37 | Xenguy | mwilson: he's ignoring both of us, don't bother ;-) |
| 06:58.50 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, yes im new i want to try debian now i dont like fedoa core really :P |
| 06:58.53 | guestish | !sing sarge |
| 06:58.53 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 06:59.00 | Xenguy | hahah |
| 06:59.05 | Chameleon22 | guestish: well i want to do a raw copy |
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| 06:59.12 | guestish | Chameleon22: hum...cdrdao... |
| 06:59.21 | benjamindees | OrionBerlin, you tried fedora? what didn't you like about it? |
| 06:59.26 | Chameleon22 | guestish: and if its protected |
| 06:59.29 | guestish | benjamindees: i bet its the hat |
| 06:59.30 | valdyn | Chameleon22: not sure you can do that with a _cd_, the data track is gotten w/ dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso |
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| 06:59.40 | OrionBerlin | benjamindees, only get errors with it. :( |
| 06:59.45 | guestish | Chameleon22: if its protected? |
| 06:59.48 | guestish | Chameleon22: check the man page |
| 06:59.58 | OrionBerlin | benjamindees, wine wont work and cedega and all which i bought |
| 06:59.58 | guestish | Chameleon22: this is a backup of course, right? :) |
| 07:00.12 | mwilson | Ya gotta love stuff like this... |
| 07:00.13 | mwilson | Need to get 41.0MB/230MB of archives. |
| 07:00.13 | mwilson | After unpacking 7812kB disk space will be freed. |
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| 07:00.14 | guestish | OrionBerlin: i knew it, its the hat, no one likes a fedora |
| 07:00.28 | valdyn | guestish: perfectly legal here to copy copyprotected CD for other than backup purposes |
| 07:00.30 | Chameleon22 | guestish: ofcourse |
| 07:00.31 | joel | hey, has anyone set up a printer through Dlink DP-301U print server on libranet? or no of anywhere that explains how to do this? |
| 07:00.32 | simonrvn | mwilson: haven't updated in a while, eh? |
| 07:00.37 | benjamindees | OrionBerlin, ah, I see |
| 07:00.38 | guestish | Chameleon22: =D |
| 07:00.41 | guestish | valdyn: i dont live there |
| 07:00.43 | Xenguy | mwilson: yeah, I love that -- awesome |
| 07:00.45 | joel | sorry debian not libranet |
| 07:00.47 | guestish | joel: lol |
| 07:00.51 | OrionBerlin | guestish, i just cant run wine and cedega good there only have problems, need to change every time the prelinking and more shit to work with wine/cedega |
| 07:00.56 | mwilson | simonrvn: No, the box has been updating, just not been upgrading. :) |
| 07:01.04 | joel | guestish thats a hell no then? |
| 07:01.08 | simonrvn | mwilson: mm, yeh :) |
| 07:01.10 | peet | has anyone tried to get steam to work? |
| 07:01.10 | peet | :O |
| 07:01.13 | guestish | mwilson: removing a few packages then eh? :) |
| 07:01.23 | simonrvn | peet: farting helps |
| 07:01.31 | guestish | joel: thats a "lol thats funny that you tried to correct your 'mistake' :) |
| 07:01.39 | mwilson | guestish: Nah, it does a weekly apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -d |
| 07:01.42 | guestish | joel: and nay, cant say i do |
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| 07:01.53 | mwilson | guestish: I just haven't installed anything on it for quite a while. |
| 07:01.56 | guestish | mwilson: i mean about the freed space part |
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| 07:02.09 | mwilson | guestish: No, it's doing that on its own. |
| 07:02.19 | guestish | mwilson: nevermind.. |
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| 07:02.50 | mwilson | guestish: I imagine it means that one or more of the packages it's upgrading are actually smaller in their new versions. |
| 07:02.52 | simonrvn | guestish: sometimes when there's a mass upgrade space gets freed, withoput removal of anything |
| 07:02.55 | OrionBerlin | guestish, mh should i download the full cd's or the net install CD? |
| 07:03.03 | guestish | simonrvn: hasnt happened to me yet =P |
| 07:03.22 | guestish | OrionBerlin: if you can download the full set then get the netinstall |
| 07:03.40 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: Either _one_ cd or the netinstall cd, you don't need them all |
| 07:03.59 | guestish | netinstall! netinstall! |
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| 07:04.23 | OrionBerlin | mh i had one time the problem that i cant download anything becouse of something which i dont know |
| 07:04.26 | guestish | wow, windows media player looks crappy on windows |
| 07:04.30 | guestish | erm, linux |
| 07:04.31 | guestish | in wine |
| 07:04.36 | OrionBerlin | i got an nVidia nforce board with nforce network adapter |
| 07:04.37 | mwilson | My testing box is probably even worse. |
| 07:04.44 | simonrvn | s/on linux// |
| 07:04.51 | guestish | simonrvn: yeah... |
| 07:04.53 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: _which_ nforce? |
| 07:05.01 | Xenguy | wtf do you need wmp for? |
| 07:05.04 | guestish | simonrvn: im getting loads of fixmes from wine |
| 07:05.07 | guestish | Xenguy: nothing |
| 07:05.15 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: theres like nforce1 - nforce4 |
| 07:05.18 | OrionBerlin | valdyn uhm nice quetion :D my board is: Asus NF7 |
| 07:05.18 | Xenguy | guestish: perfectly logical :p |
| 07:05.33 | guestish | Xenguy: yup |
| 07:05.39 | peet | thats an nforce2 :O |
| 07:05.40 | Xenguy | not |
| 07:05.42 | peet | what i have |
| 07:05.43 | OrionBerlin | abit nf7 i mean |
| 07:05.44 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: athlonXP board? |
| 07:05.58 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, yes |
| 07:05.58 | guestish | Xenguy: sure it is |
| 07:06.03 | simonrvn | i love it when some zombie tries to connect to a port to scan for a proxy and still keeps going after 30+ attempts</sarcasm> |
| 07:06.03 | guestish | Xenguy: 100% so |
| 07:06.09 | Xenguy | yeah |
| 07:06.17 | jope | Could someone help me? I'm having problems with Apache.. |
| 07:06.17 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: that should be supported by the "forcedeth" driver |
| 07:06.26 | guestish | jope: mmm |
| 07:06.28 | simonrvn | jope: just ask |
| 07:06.34 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, so when i start it with modprobe forcedeth? |
| 07:07.05 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: should be autodetected and loaded by sarge's installer |
| 07:07.13 | simonrvn | i keep reading that as "force deth"... |
| 07:07.19 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, okey so i choose sarge |
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| 07:07.55 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: if you had problems using that w/ woody, no surprise |
| 07:08.13 | simonrvn | woody doesn't support the newer h/w |
| 07:08.55 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, is there an Sarge Network install CD? |
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| 07:09.04 | valdyn | !d-i OrionBerlin |
| 07:09.05 | dpkg | OrionBerlin, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:09.06 | OrionBerlin | van, i just find Woody Network Install CD |
| 07:09.24 | jope | I've been trying to get apache to use a Included config file that contains <VirtualHost> Stuff. But apache won't use it because it keeps giving the default apache page. |
| 07:09.29 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, ah thanks |
| 07:09.38 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: yea, debians advertising sucks |
| 07:09.57 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, hehe i see |
| 07:10.12 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, how long takes it over the internet to install it |
| 07:10.22 | jope | Apache should allow the Virtual hosts to override it, but it's not letting them do that. |
| 07:10.29 | guestish | debianites dont the advertising type |
| 07:10.31 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, i hope not aslong like gentoo! |
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| 07:11.05 | jope | I've checked the synax of the files and theres no errors. So I'm really stuck. |
| 07:11.08 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: gentoo doesnt get its slowness from downloading but from compiling everything, if you have a reasonable fast isp |
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| 07:11.32 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: debian does not compile stuff so uh, it'll be alot faster |
| 07:11.37 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, i had one time gentoo it took almost 1 1/2 days to complete it and then only had problems :P |
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| 07:12.15 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: now whats your bandwidth? |
| 07:12.22 | simonrvn | jope: fix your main conf to use the vhost |
| 07:12.30 | OrionBerlin | valdyn, DSL 2mb |
| 07:12.38 | valdyn | OrionBerlin: thats plenty |
| 07:13.03 | simonrvn | jope: i use the main conf to set global settings, then i set per-vhost options in <VirtualHost> blocks |
| 07:13.15 | guestish | OrionBerlin: thats too much, go downgrade ;) |
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| 07:14.06 | ambycrao | does debian have a firewall or do i need to download one ? |
| 07:14.07 | jope | That's what I'm doing, but its in another file, just using Include /blah/blah/blah.conf at the bottom of the apache config |
| 07:14.24 | jope | Orion, 4Mbit down here :P |
| 07:14.35 | valdyn | ambycrao: the common way to get debian packages IS to download them |
| 07:14.44 | valdyn | ambycrao: so try a different question ) |
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| 07:15.01 | holycow | ambycrao, if your not familiar with iptables firewalling, download and install firestarter ... gui firewall for newbs thats decent |
| 07:15.14 | holycow | debian workstation install leaves quite a few ports open by default |
| 07:15.22 | ambycrao | its not easy for a newbie :) |
| 07:15.24 | OrionBerlin | guestish, haha ill be back soon need to get some food |
| 07:15.30 | holycow | firestarter is |
| 07:15.31 | valdyn | ambycrao: apt-get install firestarter would that be |
| 07:15.36 | jope | My server address I have setup is http://wowforge.mine.nu/ (Home server) |
| 07:15.46 | ambycrao | ok, thanks |
| 07:15.47 | valdyn | ambycrao: that is it ( nearly ) , you gotta run it in X too |
| 07:15.52 | Nafed | hey guys, im trying to remove all traces of apache and php from my box so i can do a completely clean install.. is there a quicker way of doing it then removing each directory? |
| 07:15.57 | holycow | lol what valdyn said |
| 07:16.09 | ambycrao | only using x |
| 07:16.10 | mwilson | Nafed: You wouldn't just remove the packages because...? |
| 07:16.23 | jope | apt-get remove php |
| 07:16.25 | valdyn | ambycrao: just run it then, to set it up to your needs |
| 07:16.28 | guestish | ambycrao: iptables is hard to use, but powerful |
| 07:16.31 | jope | apt-get remove apache |
| 07:16.39 | Nafed | i done that.. but it wont remove libapache-mod-php4 |
| 07:16.41 | holycow | eventually you want to learn iptables |
| 07:16.48 | jope | apt-get remove libapache |
| 07:16.49 | holycow | its the only way to do it right i think |
| 07:16.52 | mwilson | Nafed: Oh? Why not? |
| 07:17.13 | Nafed | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127 |
| 07:17.16 | Nafed | says that |
| 07:17.19 | guestish | !google advanced routing howto |
| 07:17.23 | Jimmymaniac | Results for advanced routing howto on Google: |
| 07:17.23 | Jimmymaniac | http://lartc.org/ |
| 07:17.23 | Jimmymaniac | http://lartc.org/<b>howto</b>/ |
| 07:17.23 | Jimmymaniac | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ |
| 07:17.23 | Jimmymaniac | -- |
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| 07:17.28 | jope | Because you deleted the files for it ;) |
| 07:17.28 | dpkg | Google says advanced routing howto is at http://lartc.org/ or http://lartc.org/howto/ or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.ipsec.html or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ or http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/2.4routing.html |
| 07:17.33 | valdyn | Nafed: apt-get remove apache-common and maybe more packages _low_ in the dependency try |
| 07:17.42 | Nafed | i done that |
| 07:17.46 | Nafed | the apache and php |
| 07:17.47 | guestish | ambycrao: www.lartc.org |
| 07:17.49 | Nafed | but that wont remove |
| 07:18.02 | Nafed | and i cant proceed in reinstalling because of it |
| 07:18.08 | valdyn | !remove apache |
| 07:18.10 | guestish | 2 google bots, lol |
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| 07:18.50 | valdyn | Nafed: see BTW, that bug is listed there iirc |
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| 07:18.58 | valdyn | Nafed: ops, see the BTS |
| 07:19.25 | jope | Anyone have an idea on what I can do about my apache problem? |
| 07:19.38 | Nafed | pardon valdyn? |
| 07:20.03 | valdyn | !bts |
| 07:20.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get ... |
| 07:20.11 | valdyn | Nafed: ^^^^ |
| 07:20.58 | Nafed | ooers funky |
| 07:21.01 | Nafed | thanks ill check it out |
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| 07:23.16 | jope | *Sigh* |
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| 07:24.42 | Opiated | hi, I just installed debian sarge from the netinst image, i installed X and xfce4 and got it up and running, but when I right click on the desktop, I don't see any programs listed like Shells, Apps, etc. I installed update, and ran update-menus but no luck. What do I need to do? |
| 07:24.44 | Nafed | valdyn: theres nothing in it in regards to my issue? |
| 07:25.36 | jope | Can't get http virtualhost to override the apache document root :| |
| 07:25.45 | guestish | g |
| 07:25.47 | guestish | g'night |
| 07:25.59 | valdyn | Nafed: is that not it? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267751 |
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| 07:27.03 | valdyn | Nafed: yea, i read it now, doesnt seem to be your bug |
| 07:27.20 | Opiated | could anyone help me out |
| 07:27.40 | AwesomeMachine | I figured out how to configure sarge for dhcp if anyone is still here who was helping me |
| 07:27.57 | AwesomeMachine | ok Opiated |
| 07:27.58 | valdyn | Nafed: you are going to need to fix that thing either way I think |
| 07:28.06 | jope | Plus, apache won't even make the subdomain names, so it seems that it's not reading the custom config file |
| 07:28.09 | Opiated | i had already described my problem above |
| 07:28.16 | Opiated | unless you wish me to repeat it |
| 07:28.19 | AwesomeMachine | ok lemme look |
| 07:28.28 | Nafed | urk apt-get suggested using the -f to install the programs dependancies.. but as soon as i do one it asks for more dependancies.. and keeps doing it |
| 07:28.48 | Nafed | my original commands were apt-get remove apache* and then apt-get remove php* |
| 07:29.11 | Opiated | the other menu stuff shows up like, terminal, xffm, settings, but nothing like the debian app menu, where it has submenus for net, editors, system, etc. |
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| 07:29.53 | AwesomeMachine | Opiated, your question is not in my buffer, please repeat it |
| 07:30.00 | Opiated | hi, I just installed debian sarge from the netinst image, i installed X and xfce4 and got it up and running, but when I right click on the desktop, I don't see any programs listed like Shells, Apps, etc. I installed update, and ran update-menus but no luck. What do I need to do? |
| 07:30.00 | holycow | nafed, also remove apache-common |
| 07:30.18 | valdyn | Nafed: yes, but libapache-mod-php4's removal broke, apt-get -f install is just trying to fix the dependency, cant guess what you want, thats why the error message tells you "..or specify a solution" |
| 07:30.22 | simonrvn | Opiated: it's under a sub-menu called debian, if you're using the newer xfce4 stuff. the 4.0.x stuff i don't recall where it is |
| 07:30.31 | Nafed | Package apache-common is not installed, so not removed |
| 07:30.40 | AwesomeMachine | Opiated, why don't you run gnome? |
| 07:30.41 | Opiated | simonrvn, it isn't showing up at all |
| 07:30.45 | Nafed | valdyn what do u suggest i do? |
| 07:31.02 | Nafed | hmm |
| 07:31.06 | Opiated | and when I run update-menus it says command not found, even though I just installed 'update' |
| 07:31.08 | simonrvn | Opiated: it should; it takes a few seconds the first time |
| 07:31.18 | valdyn | Nafed: apt-get remove libapache-mod-php4 - try that and tell me the error |
| 07:31.23 | valdyn | Nafed: precisly ) |
| 07:31.27 | Nafed | could i just do a manual install of apache now? or will this error screw apt-get |
| 07:31.28 | Nafed | ok sec |
| 07:31.29 | simonrvn | Opiated: have the menu package? |
| 07:31.45 | Opiated | oh no I don't think I installed that, I didn't even know about it |
| 07:31.46 | Opiated | let me see |
| 07:31.50 | mwilson | Opiated: Since update-menus isn't in any package named 'update', but IS in the menu package, that is entirely expected. |
| 07:31.58 | simonrvn | (should have pulled it in, as i recall) |
| 07:31.59 | Opiated | there we go |
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| 07:32.06 | mwilson | Wow... what a concept... wanting menus, so installing a package named 'menu'. |
| 07:32.11 | AwesomeMachine | Opiated, I don't use that window manager,soz :( |
| 07:32.12 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 07:32.16 | Nafed | valdyn do u want me to pm you, or use that paste site thingy? |
| 07:32.17 | Opiated | thanks man |
| 07:32.20 | Opiated | it is showing now |
| 07:32.21 | Opiated | :) |
| 07:32.27 | AwesomeMachine | coo |
| 07:32.48 | valdyn | Nafed: #flood |
| 07:33.47 | Nafed | valdyn |
| 07:33.47 | Nafed | http://rafb.net/paste/results/XmmMSd17.html |
| 07:34.20 | valdyn | !find apache-modconf |
| 07:34.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apache-modconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/apache-modconf) in web/apache-common. |
| 07:34.49 | Opiated | AwesomeMachine, I don't like gnome, and secondly I have only 128mb ram, and even with gnome-core the system is very slow, with xfce it is much more responsive |
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| 07:35.12 | valdyn | Nafed: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 to fix those depends |
| 07:35.19 | Rydekull | apt-get install fluxbox :) |
| 07:35.23 | Opiated | nah |
| 07:35.32 | Opiated | it requires too much conf, and I am lazy |
| 07:35.34 | Opiated | xfce is good |
| 07:35.36 | Opiated | :) |
| 07:35.38 | Rydekull | pff, does not |
| 07:35.46 | valdyn | Nafed: how did you remove apache-common without removing libapache-mod-php4 though? |
| 07:35.53 | Opiated | plus the fonts are too big in fluxbox |
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| 07:36.08 | Opiated | no matter what I do, I open any gtk app and fonts are huge |
| 07:36.14 | Nafed | http://rafb.net/paste/results/1wV9z296.html |
| 07:36.16 | Rydekull | Opiated: I can agree upon that though, menu-fonts original is a bit big |
| 07:36.32 | Nafed | valdyn: i typed apt-get remove apache* and then apt-get remove php* |
| 07:36.42 | valdyn | Nafed: apt-get -f install |
| 07:36.44 | Opiated | and I have a crappy 8mb card, so I HAVE to run 1024x |
| 07:36.54 | Opiated | so I can't afford big fonts |
| 07:36.56 | Rydekull | Opiated: *does that everywhere* |
| 07:36.58 | valdyn | Nafed: you can remove stuff the right way after that, but answer my earlier question please |
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| 07:36.58 | Rydekull | Opiated: :P |
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| 07:37.27 | Nafed | (18:35:17) (valdyn) Nafed: how did you remove apache-common without removing libapache-mod-php4 though? (18:36:03) (Nafed) valdyn: i typed apt-get remove apache* and then apt-get remove php* |
| 07:37.30 | Nafed | thats all i done |
| 07:37.36 | Opiated | bah |
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| 07:37.43 | Opiated | time to edit x config |
| 07:37.50 | Opiated | im running 800x right now lol |
| 07:37.54 | valdyn | !depends libapache-mod-php4 |
| 07:37.57 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, libzzip-0-12 (>= 0.12.83), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache-common (>= 1.3.33), php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-8), libmagic1 |
| 07:38.51 | Joris | can someone recommend a low-end soundcard (<40$) with exellent linux support? |
| 07:38.57 | valdyn | Nafed: alright, i do not understand how that could have lead to your issue, but np, just proceed with apt-get -f install |
| 07:39.03 | Opiated | brb |
| 07:39.06 | Nafed | done that |
| 07:39.13 | Nafed | its installed the dependancies |
| 07:39.22 | lonny | can someone help me patch a linux kernel? |
| 07:39.22 | valdyn | Nafed: without error? great. |
| 07:39.24 | Nafed | apt-get remove apache* now? |
| 07:39.25 | lonny | I can't seem to figure it out |
| 07:39.30 | valdyn | Nafed: apt-get remove libapache-mod-php4 |
| 07:39.42 | ambycrao | lock firewall, does that means only root can make changes ? |
| 07:39.54 | Nafed | my god |
| 07:39.55 | Nafed | lol |
| 07:39.57 | Nafed | it didnt work |
| 07:40.30 | valdyn | Nafed: error message? |
| 07:40.30 | Nafed | http://rafb.net/paste/results/dQr2dj28.html |
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| 07:41.18 | valdyn | Nafed: what did you do to mysql? anything? |
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| 07:41.21 | valdyn | !find mysql.so |
| 07:41.21 | lonny | can anyone attempt to help me patch? |
| 07:41.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.so' (7 of 33): (/usr/lib/hitop/mysql.so) in web/hitop ;; (/usr/lib/oops/passwd_mysql.so) in web/oops ;; (/usr/lib/libgnademysql.so) in devel/gnade-dev ;; (/usr/lib/clsql/mysql.so) in devel/cl-sql-mysql ;; (/usr/lib/dbd/libmysql.so) in libs/libdbd-mysql ;; (/usr/lib/php3/apache/mysql.so) in web/php3-mysql ;; ... |
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| 07:41.40 | Kly | www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 07:41.41 | Nafed | somebody screwed mysql.. hence me trying to do a clean install of the lot |
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| 07:41.54 | mutante | !find cvs-client |
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| 07:42.00 | peet | what program can i use to get streamin real media? |
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| 07:42.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'cvs-client' returned no results. |
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| 07:42.36 | MobyTurbo | peet: www.real.com |
| 07:42.41 | llama | hiall |
| 07:42.44 | peet | for debian though |
| 07:42.56 | helix | peet: check apt-get.org or backports.org |
| 07:43.03 | llama | what module I should use with Intel SRCU31LA controller? |
| 07:43.13 | MobyTurbo | peet: the Linux real player works fine with Debian, though its license is propritary |
| 07:43.16 | llama | Sure, I saked google... |
| 07:43.22 | mutante | peet: mplayer http://www.infoanarchy.org/wiki/index.php/Quicktime/Linux |
| 07:43.30 | peet | HobyTurbo: No spyware right? |
| 07:43.50 | MobyTurbo | peet: no spyware, spyware takes advantage of Windows-only weaknesses. |
| 07:43.56 | peet | ok |
| 07:43.59 | valdyn | Nafed: ok - you can fix mysql ( i wouldnt know how ), you can edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/libapache-mod-php4.prerm. |
| 07:43.59 | peet | :] |
| 07:44.22 | peet | the joys of linux :] |
| 07:44.25 | mutante | which package contains the cvs-client only, i installed "cvs" and it appears to be the server |
| 07:44.30 | valdyn | Nafed: *maybe* reinstalling that mysql package fixes this |
| 07:44.40 | Nafed | mysql is still installed |
| 07:44.41 | MobyTurbo | peet: well, I guess some rootkits could be classified as spyware, but I know of no reputable software that installs rootkits. |
| 07:44.50 | valdyn | !find mysql.so |
| 07:44.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.so' (7 of 33): (/usr/lib/hitop/mysql.so) in web/hitop ;; (/usr/lib/oops/passwd_mysql.so) in web/oops ;; (/usr/lib/libgnademysql.so) in devel/gnade-dev ;; (/usr/lib/clsql/mysql.so) in devel/cl-sql-mysql ;; (/usr/lib/dbd/libmysql.so) in libs/libdbd-mysql ;; (/usr/lib/php3/apache/mysql.so) in web/php3-mysql ;; ... |
| 07:45.14 | valdyn | Nafed: has to be one of these ^^ i guess, though i don't know mysql |
| 07:45.45 | simonrvn | mutante: it's the server and client. you run the daemon only if you told debconf to run it, otherwise it's disabled |
| 07:45.52 | Nafed | !find mysql.info |
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| 07:45.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.info' (2): (/usr/lib/apache/1.3/500mod_auth_mysql.info) in web/libapache-mod-auth-mysql ;; (/usr/share/info/mysql.info.gz) in non-free/misc/mysql-doc,non-free/misc/mysql-doc-4.1. |
| 07:46.06 | valdyn | Nafed: ah cool |
| 07:46.07 | Nafed | its asking for .info file |
| 07:46.10 | mutante | thanks simonrvn |
| 07:46.17 | valdyn | Nafed: sounds like you could reinstall one of those |
| 07:46.35 | Nafed | should i try removing mysql? |
| 07:46.42 | valdyn | Nafed: apt-get --reinstall install <whichever you already have installed> |
| 07:47.08 | valdyn | Nafed: no, reinstall the package providing the missing mysql.info |
| 07:48.06 | Nafed | im lost now |
| 07:48.06 | Nafed | lol |
| 07:48.43 | valdyn | Nafed: you just did !find mysql.info, _one_ of those packages you already do have isntalled, but it was broken, reinstall it |
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| 07:49.06 | Nafed | that would be apache? |
| 07:49.42 | valdyn | Nafed: looks to me like apt-get --reinstall install libapache-mod-auth-mysql |
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| 07:50.04 | Nafed | ok |
| 07:50.09 | Nafed | that worked with no errors |
| 07:50.14 | Nafed | now remove apache? |
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| 07:50.24 | OrionBerlin | ehm can someone help me? im using right now Fedora Core but in the Channel from FC i dont get help. Is there any Burn Program for Gnome? :( |
| 07:50.26 | valdyn | Nafed: apt-get remove libapache-mod-php4 |
| 07:50.38 | OrionBerlin | want to burn the Debian Net install CD |
| 07:50.46 | Nafed | hahaha! |
| 07:50.52 | Nafed | it removed :D |
| 07:50.53 | Joris | OrionBerlin: I like k3b, but it's kde based |
| 07:50.59 | valdyn | Nafed: nice |
| 07:51.03 | Nafed | thanks valdyn |
| 07:51.07 | OrionBerlin | Joris, mh shit :( i dont got KDE installed |
| 07:51.09 | Rocco | can anybody tell me what i've to do to get rights to change scaling_cur_freq? |
| 07:51.12 | Nafed | i should be able to remove apache and php now right? |
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| 07:51.25 | prahal | sorry if you alredy received this query (connection pbs ) : does provide manage versioned dependencies ? mysql-server-4.1 provides mysql-server but wordpress still try to install mysql-server (the 4.0 version) |
| 07:51.43 | mutante | OrionBerlin: gtoaster - Gnome Toaster, a GUI for creating CDs |
| 07:51.56 | Joris | prahal: sounds like you need to file a bugreport |
| 07:52.11 | OrionBerlin | mutante, can it burn ISO fils too? |
| 07:52.37 | mutante | OrionBerlin: or you could find out that long "cdrecord" line for the command line by googling ,and just do in on the command line |
| 07:52.43 | Rocco | can anybody tell me what i've to do to get rights to change scaling_cur_freq? |
| 07:52.47 | prahal | Joris: well i don't know the policy this well, so it really should manage versioned dep ? |
| 07:52.57 | Nafed | umm valdyn when trying to remove apache im getting the sql error again |
| 07:53.22 | OrionBerlin | mutante, mh okey i will try DAMN it #fedora communitry isnt helpfull i like now debian already here i get help! :) |
| 07:53.30 | prahal | damn i don't want to bother dpkg2 devel with this tiny glitch :( |
| 07:54.02 | prahal | Rocco: do you have the module locaded for cpu scaling ? |
| 07:54.34 | prahal | Rocco: and please don't ask twice, third , etc ... i already saw you question :) |
| 07:54.49 | bbmj | . |
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| 07:55.24 | mutante | OrionBerlin: cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=0,0,0 src.iso |
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| 07:55.53 | Rocco | prahal but you didn't answer ;) thanks for answering now. whats the name of the module? |
| 07:56.01 | mutante | OrionBerlin: http://sharkysoft.com/tutorials/linuxtips/cdcommands/ |
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| 07:56.19 | OrionBerlin | mutante, speed means writnig on the cd? |
| 07:56.30 | prahal | Rocco: usually when nobody answer is that they have not the slighest clue on what your problem come from |
| 07:57.17 | OrionBerlin | mutante, my problem is its a RW and need to erase it first :S |
| 07:57.29 | Rocco | prahal: any idea how i can attrackt attention ;) |
| 07:57.46 | Rocco | anyway, do you know the name od the modul prahal ? |
| 07:57.48 | Nafed | valdyn? |
| 07:58.05 | mutante | OrionBerlin: "To rewrite (erase and write over) a CD-RW disk, put blank=fast in the string of options to the cdrecord command" |
| 07:58.38 | mutante | OrionBerlin: http://info.phys.cmu.edu/resources/computing/CDRW_Linux.html |
| 07:58.48 | Nafed | help :( lol |
| 07:58.57 | OrionBerlin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.59 | OrionBerlin | ? :) |
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| 07:59.25 | mutante | OrionBerlin: i think so, if not: http://www.tldp.org/tldp-redirect.php?url=/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html good luck |
| 07:59.49 | prahal | Rocco: i can check , i find it in the kernel configurator , in the help box |
| 07:59.55 | OrionBerlin | hehe thanks |
| 08:00.26 | Rocco | prahal where is the kernel configur. ? (sorry rocco --> beginner) |
| 08:00.29 | Nafed | !find mysql.info |
| 08:00.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.info' (2): (/usr/lib/apache/1.3/500mod_auth_mysql.info) in web/libapache-mod-auth-mysql ;; (/usr/share/info/mysql.info.gz) in non-free/misc/mysql-doc,non-free/misc/mysql-doc-4.1. |
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| 08:02.18 | prahal | Rocco: if you are just beginning, then wait a little bit before getting your hand on the kernel . teh module is cpu_freq , you can check it is loaded : lsmod will show the list of loaded modules |
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| 08:02.53 | prahal | hum sorry , don't bother checking (cpufreq cannot be a module ) |
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| 08:03.25 | Kly | www.otomotivshow.com |
| 08:03.25 | prahal | Rocco: well sorry i have not much clue about it than others , sorry for the noise |
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| 08:04.13 | ron_ | hello, I'm having problems with the sparc netboot images can someone give me a hand? |
| 08:04.36 | Rocco | prahal i can't do anything else, as my notebook is running hot, with 1,5ghz |
| 08:04.47 | Rocco | prahal i always changed my cpufreq manually. yesterday i installad powernowd and it worked. but after rebooting it didn't work anymore, so i deleted it, bu now i can even change cpufreq manually |
| 08:04.56 | Nafed | !find mysql.so |
| 08:05.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql.so' (7 of 33): (/usr/lib/hitop/mysql.so) in web/hitop ;; (/usr/lib/oops/passwd_mysql.so) in web/oops ;; (/usr/lib/libgnademysql.so) in devel/gnade-dev ;; (/usr/lib/clsql/mysql.so) in devel/cl-sql-mysql ;; (/usr/lib/dbd/libmysql.so) in libs/libdbd-mysql ;; (/usr/lib/php3/apache/mysql.so) in web/php3-mysql ;; ... |
| 08:05.52 | cat | ron_: yeah run from a floppy, |
| 08:06.03 | cat | bootdisk |
| 08:06.04 | prahal | Rocco: you can try /etc/init.d/cpufreq stop ... i am at lost |
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| 08:06.15 | nuix | how can i set my mouse from two buttons to two buttons with a wheel? |
| 08:06.21 | ron_ | cat: my sparc doesnt have a floppy |
| 08:06.29 | ron_ | hence, netboot |
| 08:06.30 | nuix | help |
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| 08:06.36 | nuix | how can i set my mouse from two buttons to two buttons with a wheel? |
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| 08:06.57 | nuix | my mouse is logitech |
| 08:06.58 | cat | then ur fucked |
| 08:07.27 | jim | nuix: does the mouse wheel click? |
| 08:07.27 | ron_ | cat: are you familiar at all with SUN hardware? |
| 08:07.28 | cat | nuix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:07.28 | cat | not really |
| 08:07.28 | nuix | jim, yes |
| 08:07.32 | jim | and you have two other buttons? |
| 08:07.41 | nuix | yes |
| 08:07.48 | ron_ | cat: ok, well then you'd know that about 95% of installs are done via netboot |
| 08:07.51 | prahal | nuix: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 , do you have : Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 08:07.54 | jim | so, you have a three-button mouse |
| 08:08.20 | nuix | prahal, no |
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| 08:08.38 | Nafed | can someone please help me :( ive been trying to fix this problem for ages and regardless of what i do i end up getting screwed up again |
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| 08:08.41 | simonrvn | ron_: install guide; www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, there's a sparc section (one for every supported arch in fact) |
| 08:08.45 | nuix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.47 | nuix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.47 | nuix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.47 | nuix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.47 | nuix | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.59 | cat | damn |
| 08:09.01 | simonrvn | don't paste here please |
| 08:09.02 | cat | nuix: used flood |
| 08:09.12 | nuix | ok |
| 08:09.43 | simonrvn | nuix: /dev/input/mice, IntellisoftMouse or such |
| 08:10.09 | ron_ | simonrvn: thanks, looks like netboot is broken for now |
| 08:10.12 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will tell you the exact one |
| 08:10.19 | simonrvn | ron_: aaw, too bad :/ |
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| 08:10.32 | nuix | simonrvn, thanks |
| 08:10.37 | nuix | cat, thanks |
| 08:10.41 | nuix | jim, thanks |
| 08:10.48 | nuix | pragma_, thanks |
| 08:11.15 | Nafed | Error: mysql.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
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| 08:11.23 | Nafed | what does that mean when trying to remove apache |
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| 08:11.32 | simonrvn | Nafed: packaging error |
| 08:11.39 | Nafed | how do i fix it? |
| 08:11.59 | simonrvn | you don't; the maintainers do (with maybe your help too) |
| 08:12.09 | simonrvn | reportbug apache |
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| 08:12.26 | Nafed | so i cant remove apache, php or mysql until they fix it? |
| 08:12.29 | simonrvn | in, guess what? the reportbug package |
| 08:12.40 | rata | hi |
| 08:13.06 | Nafed | all im trying to do is get mysql working with my apache install |
| 08:13.06 | rata | why i qtparted i run in knoppix does nt let my resize my ext3 partition ? |
| 08:13.38 | Putiikki | !knoppix |
| 08:13.38 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 08:14.13 | Nafed | so how do i restore everything that uve been told to do? |
| 08:14.18 | Agrajag- | hey all, im setting up procmail to do spamassassin for all users. im using maildir format, and want any message that could be spam to go to $HOME/Maildir/Spam - my question is, if i use $HOME in /etc/procmailrc, is this going to work? |
| 08:14.28 | Nafed | i cant leave this site down and its down due to what i was told to do in here |
| 08:14.46 | rata | dpkg, i have debian installed... do you know some way to resize my ext3 partition using debian ? |
| 08:15.10 | Putiikki | !bot |
| 08:15.10 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 08:15.12 | Putiikki | ;) |
| 08:15.21 | debian | ~BOT |
| 08:15.22 | apt | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 08:15.44 | rata | Pumpkin_Pie, do you know ? |
| 08:15.49 | peet | debian! |
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| 08:16.20 | Putiikki | rata: if you meant me, i don't know |
| 08:16.22 | wtf | Does oidentd work behind a router? Which port to forward? |
| 08:16.38 | rata | Putiikki, yes... sorry |
| 08:17.33 | mosty | wtf: no server works behind a router if it's doing NAT, unless you forward the port that the server listens on. identd listens on port 113 |
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| 08:18.22 | sean_micken | is it okay to remove the "dbootstrap_settings" and " install-report.template" in /root ? |
| 08:18.31 | wtf | mosty: ok, UDP or TCP? |
| 08:19.04 | mosty | wtf: run "netstat -na |grep LISTEN | grep 113' on the machine identd is running on to find out |
| 08:19.20 | simonrvn | wtf: ident is TCP |
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| 08:19.43 | simonrvn | wtf: getent services ident |
| 08:20.12 | simonrvn | though that's a port display, not so much a protocol display (though it does do the latter) |
| 08:20.18 | wtf | thnx |
| 08:20.46 | Atrocity | hey guys, i have a quick question about installing over a network |
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| 08:21.09 | Atrocity | for the rescue floppy, how do i know which one to get? |
| 08:21.26 | Atrocity | like, should i get the idepci one, or jsut the normal rescue.bin one? |
| 08:21.28 | simonrvn | !install guide |
| 08:21.28 | mosty | Atrocity, use the netinstall cd instead, if at all possible |
| 08:21.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, ig is for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual ; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 08:21.32 | jim | oh, you installing woody? or sarge? |
| 08:22.33 | Nafed | well |
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| 08:22.41 | Nafed | simonrvn reportbug didnt work |
| 08:22.54 | VoX | is there a X front-end for aptitude? |
| 08:23.11 | jim | Atrocity: umm you alive out there? |
| 08:23.17 | Atrocity | i dunno...i'm just installing the base debian |
| 08:23.25 | Atrocity | i dunno what woody or sarge are |
| 08:23.25 | Putiikki | VoX: synaptic |
| 08:23.28 | simonrvn | !doesn't work |
| 08:23.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 08:23.29 | jim | ok... |
| 08:23.32 | VoX | ahh |
| 08:23.49 | VoX | btw, if there's any opers in here, DeLta is a spambot |
| 08:23.50 | jim | Atrocity: have you ever run a linux before? |
| 08:24.12 | jim | !ops DeLta spamming yet again |
| 08:24.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DeLta spamming yet again |
| 08:24.14 | mosty | atrocity: woody is the current stable release (a few years old now), sarge is going to be the next stable release |
| 08:24.16 | Atrocity | jim: yeah, i jsut got a spare crappy box, so i'm installing linux on it |
| 08:24.25 | Atrocity | and i use to run debian, so i'm starting with it again |
| 08:24.31 | VoX | Putiikki: cheers :) |
| 08:24.32 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 08:24.33 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@n219079195043.netvigator.com] by helix |
| 08:24.33 | Atrocity | mosty: ah |
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| 08:24.33 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 08:24.35 | pablitoman | [DeLta!~Ke_L_aJ@n219079195043.netvigator.com] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 08:24.44 | jim | Atrocity: ok, what do you want to use it for? |
| 08:24.58 | Nafed | simonrvn |
| 08:25.02 | Atrocity | jim: just a spare box, probably do irc and such |
| 08:25.05 | Atrocity | maybe some programming |
| 08:25.16 | Nafed | reportbug has been sitting idle for about 5 minutes now |
| 08:25.17 | Nafed | Please select a severity level: [normal] 4 |
| 08:25.17 | Nafed | Spawning sensible-editor... |
| 08:25.19 | simonrvn | helix++ |
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| 08:25.33 | simonrvn | Nafed: have you set one? |
| 08:25.37 | jim | lee! |
| 08:25.42 | helix | I'm going to end up banning the entire internet |
| 08:25.42 | intact | Hi, guys! |
| 08:25.45 | simonrvn | Nafed: reportbug --help, reportbug --config |
| 08:25.58 | simonrvn | nah, just idiotic spammers |
| 08:26.13 | Nafed | lol why is that with debian if one thing goes haywire then the whole system goes haywire lol |
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| 08:26.28 | Kevin | FREE Hosting Reseller www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 08:26.37 | intact | someone can help me? |
| 08:26.39 | simonrvn | back again |
| 08:26.43 | Noldo | Nafed: I haven't notised any such thing |
| 08:26.48 | simonrvn | same use name too |
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| 08:26.51 | intact | hello? |
| 08:26.52 | simonrvn | user* |
| 08:26.53 | jim | Atrocity, ok... if you get woody, that's a released debian very stable |
| 08:27.00 | simonrvn | intact: just ask already |
| 08:27.07 | Atrocity | jim: yeah, that's prob. what i'm going to get |
| 08:27.07 | jim | but also nothing changes for woody anymore |
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| 08:27.15 | Nafed | simonrvn ive done that config twice now |
| 08:27.18 | Atrocity | is that a good thing? |
| 08:27.22 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 08:27.27 | Atrocity | like software wise? or what? |
| 08:27.35 | jim | helix: did you get the onjoin guy? |
| 08:27.51 | helix | delta? yeah |
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| 08:28.02 | jim | cool |
| 08:28.13 | simonrvn | Nafed: export VISUAL=your_editor; export EDITOR=your_editor (your_editor being whatever you use) |
| 08:28.18 | benjamindees | Atrocity, Woody is excellent, stable, security updates, etc, but not indicative of the current status of Linux and will have difficulty with newer hardware |
| 08:28.22 | intact | I am using Hiweed/Debian, And I want to install mutt, but if i use apt-get install, The system asks me to install Exim4. I don't want it to be installed, because I only use dial-up. And I want to use esmtp+fetchmail+mutt+procmail. so is there a way to not install exim4. |
| 08:28.30 | jim | Atrocity: you -might- want to go for sarge... |
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| 08:28.52 | Atrocity | hmm... |
| 08:28.56 | jim | while not quite as stable all the time, it has newer software |
| 08:29.10 | jim | also the installer is better |
| 08:29.17 | simonrvn | intact: wth is hiweed/debian? |
| 08:29.18 | mosty | intact: you need at least a minimal smtp server (or forwarder) for outgoing mail. is esmtp one of those? if so, "apt-get install esmtp" first |
| 08:29.27 | infodroid | why is it newbies get the impression they should start off with woody? |
| 08:29.45 | intact | a localized version of Debian for only Chinese users. |
| 08:29.49 | Noldo | infodroid: it's the naming |
| 08:30.01 | benjamindees | people are sick of the instability of Windows, so they choose "stable" |
| 08:30.04 | jim | Atrocity: since you're considering, you might try each |
| 08:30.05 | Atrocity | infodroid: it's not that, i don't mind starting off with non-stable software, it's just i didn't know if you guys meant it wasn't getting updated kernels/hardware support or what |
| 08:30.12 | simonrvn | i see |
| 08:30.32 | mosty | atrocity: woody only gets security fixes. nothing else new goes in. |
| 08:30.36 | simonrvn | intact: and yeh, switching MTAs is just an install away |
| 08:30.43 | intact | yes, I can install esmtp, but when i install mutt, it asks for exim4 |
| 08:30.48 | jim | Atrocity: that's right. woody does not get updated except for important fixes |
| 08:30.58 | Atrocity | yeah, i think i'll try sarge then |
| 08:30.59 | benjamindees | ...and backports.org :) |
| 08:31.09 | simonrvn | it might be just a "Suggested:" and not required |
| 08:31.19 | simonrvn | intact: ^^^ |
| 08:31.24 | Nafed | thanks simonrvn, thats worked |
| 08:31.37 | mosty | intact: i recommend smail, it's tiny and can be setup to do what you want very simply |
| 08:31.42 | simonrvn | Depends: ... exim4 | mail-transport-agent |
| 08:32.01 | simonrvn | Nafed: i'd suggest you set that in your .bashrc |
| 08:32.09 | intact | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 08:32.10 | intact | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.34 | intact | Is this required or not? |
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| 08:32.45 | mosty | intact, apt-get install smail |
| 08:32.45 | jim | Atrocity: in that case, let's go to your original question... |
| 08:32.47 | simonrvn | then bug your mutt maintainer ;) |
| 08:32.48 | Nafed | ok kool, simonrvn do you know how long it ussualy takes for a bug to be looked at? :S |
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| 08:33.28 | simonrvn | Nafed: depends. the DDs are mostly or all volunteers. but they try to be prompt as time allows |
| 08:33.41 | simonrvn | esp. if it's a security issue ;) |
| 08:33.41 | jim | there is a boot floppy, and a root floppy... after that, there are driver floppies, which you can use an arbitrary number of |
| 08:34.02 | intact | Ok, I will try to install smail and thank you guys. After I get it done, I will let you know. Byebye. |
| 08:34.12 | simonrvn | i've used cd-drivers and net-drivers in sequence. d-i does't complain |
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| 08:34.19 | simonrvn | doesn't* |
| 08:34.34 | jim | one you'll probably need is the net drivers floppy, one you might need if you have a weird ide controller is the cd-drivers floppy |
| 08:34.43 | simonrvn | anyway, i ghave stuff to do that's pretty urgent |
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| 08:35.27 | Atrocity | hmm |
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| 08:35.50 | jim | as you can see the installer floppy setup has changed :) |
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| 08:36.51 | benjamindees | I don't suppose there are backported (>=2.4.23) kernels for the install floppies anywhere? |
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| 08:37.25 | mosty | benjamindees, there are unofficial netinstall cd's with newer kernels |
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| 08:38.57 | benjamindees | mosty, are those the ones linked to from the install page? |
| 08:39.00 | CyzarX | how to check what are the packages that already installed so far using apt-get ? |
| 08:39.51 | mosty | benjamindees, some of them yes. there are others too which you can google for |
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| 08:42.26 | Wuffi600 | hi. |
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| 08:43.45 | Wuffi600 | could you help me remove all games? It must be some command like: apt-get remove "apt-cache search game | 'gawk {print $1 }'" }'" |
| 08:43.52 | NewName1234 | I have an nForce3 motherboard with onBoard LAN. What must I do to configure my ethernet card after a Debian install? Thanks! |
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| 08:44.16 | Wuffi600 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.35 | NewName1234 | Wuff: What will that tell me? |
| 08:44.40 | Wuffi600 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.57 | NewName1234 | But don't I need a module first? |
| 08:45.49 | Wuffi600 | NewName1234: sure. first you need the proper driver, e.g. load the proper kernel-module. ("insmod mydriver") |
| 08:46.11 | NewName1234 | where do I get it / which driver do I need? |
| 08:46.31 | Wuffi600 | NewName1234: what kind of networking-card is it? |
| 08:46.34 | xoz | NewName1234: if it is onboard, normally, it is automatically detected during boot. check dmesg|grep eth0 |
| 08:46.37 | CyzarX | how to check what are the packages that already installed so far using apt-get ? |
| 08:46.48 | NewName1234 | It wasn't automatically detected |
| 08:46.53 | NewName1234 | It's nForce3 |
| 08:46.55 | Noldo | CyzarX: dpkg -l |
| 08:47.02 | NewName1234 | I use nVidia's drivers in Windows |
| 08:47.25 | xoz | CyzarX: dpkg --list |
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| 08:47.42 | CyzarX | thanks Noldo and xoz |
| 08:48.07 | NewName1234 | Anyone in here have an nForce3 board, or know where I can get help? |
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| 08:48.17 | xoz | NewName1234: google |
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| 08:48.22 | iLLf8d | good evening all |
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| 08:50.10 | NewName1234 | xoz: I did a google search for nForce3 debian ethernet and found nothing useful, so I came here |
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| 08:50.29 | Noldo | NewName1234: it's propably not debian specific problem |
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| 08:51.37 | cantona | any one know ICS 1883 10/100Mbps LAN driver for linux? |
| 08:51.46 | xoz | NewName1234: its a kernel driver issue independent of debian |
| 08:51.58 | NewName1234 | Noldo: No, it's not, but maybe debian has a driver package or something |
| 08:52.16 | NewName1234 | so this driver is supported in the debian kernel? |
| 08:52.28 | Noldo | NewName1234: that's always a good guess |
| 08:52.37 | Noldo | it's propably as a module |
| 08:52.59 | NewName1234 | I'd like to know which module it is, so I may check |
| 08:53.14 | xoz | NewName1234: if the kernel cant detect it during boot, then module or not, you need to do more research. what's the name of your ethernet card? |
| 08:53.38 | NewName1234 | My ethernet card is onBoard the nForce3 chipset |
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| 08:54.44 | NewName1234 | my last board was nForce2, and the linux kernel had a module called Forcedeth, which were reverse engineered driver for that card, but I don't know what the module is for nForce3 |
| 08:55.32 | xoz | NewName1234: google it. if google cant find, how can we possibly. |
| 08:57.07 | NewName1234 | Thanks for the help, I wouldn't have found the issue otherwise! |
| 08:57.25 | simonrvn | search engines are an art. brush up on your google-fu |
| 08:57.38 | cantona | nforce3 onboard lan is ICS1883 |
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| 08:58.52 | NewName1234 | cantona: does this come with a "stock" debian install, because on my system the ethernet is failing to work |
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| 08:59.53 | cantona | NewName1234: the offical linux kernel seems hasn't it |
| 09:00.48 | xoz | NewName1234: google said many tried but cant work it out. |
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| 09:02.25 | xoz | NewName1234: they have driver for freebsd. you might try to pull the source: http://www.ohnolab.org/~kimoto/freebsd/ |
| 09:02.50 | fyrestrtr | Can someone tell me what is the difference between the businesscard cd image and the netinst cd image. I want to install over the net, but the images vary a lot in sizes? |
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| 09:03.30 | benjamindees | the big one has a set of base packages as well to speed up the net install |
| 09:03.32 | ArtVandalae | fyrestrtr, business card is just enough to get you off the ground. The base is installed via the Internet. |
| 09:03.42 | fyrestrtr | cheers |
| 09:03.45 | ArtVandalae | fyrestrtr, and netinst comes with the base |
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| 09:09.03 | inc|freaky | hi all. is there any package in sid which is never than in sarge? i need to know if im running sarge or sid :\ |
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| 09:09.25 | inc|freaky | oops, i mean, newer |
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| 09:12.18 | luulis | inc|freaky: you could check /etc/apt/sources.list or kernel version i think.. |
| 09:13.14 | cat | where can i put a bash theme? |
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| 09:13.17 | cat | so i can run it |
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| 09:16.02 | xst | In order to let alsa restore it's current settings upon reboot I have done a "dpkg-reconfigure alas-base" and selected "always autosave". But still, the mixer parameters are reset to some old state (that I had weeks ago) when I reboot. What to do? |
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| 09:17.17 | mosty | xst: do you have aumix installed? aumix has an init script that resets the mixer to the previous settings |
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| 09:19.47 | aw2 | hello, in fedora i have 'setup', but in debian ? |
| 09:20.02 | mosty | aw2, what does "setup" do in fedora? |
| 09:22.08 | aw2 | mosty: i can set what services to start, when fedora starts |
| 09:24.25 | juhov | aw2: rcconf |
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| 09:29.53 | xst | mosty: But shouldn't /etc/init.d/alsa do the "alsactl store" required? |
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| 09:30.43 | mosty | xst: no idea. i don't use alsa on all my machines, but i have aumix on everything and it just works |
| 09:30.47 | trygvebw | Hi, how can i delete a package and all the packages that depend on it? |
| 09:31.15 | mosty | trygvebw, use dselect or aptitude or synaptic or another dpkg frontend |
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| 09:31.57 | trygvebw | mosty: no other way? |
| 09:32.22 | aw2 | where is ifup-eth0 script ? |
| 09:32.37 | mosty | trygvebw, there are plenty of other ways. what's wrong with the methods i suggested? |
| 09:32.58 | mosty | aw2, man interfaces |
| 09:33.07 | mosty | aw2, you probably want to run "ifup eth0" |
| 09:33.24 | trygvebw | mosty: i am in a very basic debian system, and there is no dselect nor aptitude |
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| 09:33.38 | trygvebw | isn't there anyway to do it with dpkg? |
| 09:33.41 | mosty | trygvebw, dpkg --purge pkg1 pkg2 ... etc |
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| 09:34.09 | mosty | if it can't purge a package because something else depends on it, add that package to the list and try again |
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| 09:34.30 | trygvebw | yeah, but it have nearly 50 packages depending on it... |
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| 09:34.59 | mosty | trygvebw, so install a frontend, purge the packages, purge the frontend |
| 09:35.21 | trygvebw | hm |
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| 09:35.38 | juhov | wouldn't just a simple apt-get remove do that? |
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| 09:36.07 | dannyp | does anyone have any recommendations for software to help me manage a large number of avis? I'm looking for at least an easy way to browse them- thumbnails or whatnot |
| 09:36.09 | Piggeldi | kernel 2.6.10: alsa does not store its settings. after reboot all settings are gone? any ideas? |
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| 09:36.25 | dannyp | we're talking on the order of 300 files or so |
| 09:36.35 | mosty | piggeldi: install aumix (a console mixer), it has an init script which does that |
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| 09:37.09 | trygvebw | thanks juhov :) |
| 09:37.20 | dondelelcaro | mosty: actually, you just want alsa-base which actually does that |
| 09:37.21 | dannyp | and they're rather large (DV25) so the software needs to be somewhat intelligent |
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| 09:39.08 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm trying to report a bug and reportbug says 2005-03-06 10:33:27 1D7s8d-0000o9-00 Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=8 egid=8. I did "ls -l /var/log/exim" and directory is not readable. Who should own /var/log/exim normally ? |
| 09:39.34 | dondelelcaro | lord_rob: usually you'd run reportbug as root so it can get access to that file |
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| 09:40.28 | tarzeau | prahal, valdyn: need an account for the wiki? |
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| 09:40.33 | lord_rob | dondelelcaro: I never do that as root. Even more, I think reportbug warns you when you're trying to do that. |
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| 09:41.00 | dondelelcaro | lord_rob: sure, it will, but the reportbug script that's trying to run needs to be able to read that bug. |
| 09:41.25 | Opiated | I just saw I Robot |
| 09:41.31 | Opiated | and it was fantastic |
| 09:41.49 | dondelelcaro | lord_rob: you can just ignore the script and attach that information yourself, if you want. |
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| 09:42.10 | Opiated | anyway good night, time for me to pass out |
| 09:43.10 | lord_rob | dondelelcaro: Isn't it a reportbug problem that should also be reported ? |
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| 09:45.07 | dondelelcaro | lord_rob: no, because the user who is running reportbug may not be able to access all of the files that the reportbug script wants to access. |
| 09:45.34 | dondelelcaro | lord_rob: if anything it's probably a bug against exim (or exim4) and its reportbug script. |
| 09:46.05 | peet | how do you block messages in thunderbird? |
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| 09:47.28 | lord_rob | dondelelcaro: Maybe you're right. exim is marked to be upgraded 3.36-13 --> 3.36-14 in aptitude. I will first upgrade then report the bug later, thank you |
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| 09:49.03 | polok | hmm, how would I get ls to show the output as the filename with the absolute path before it? just that, however, not like in -l |
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| 09:49.22 | omry_ | is apt-get kernel-image-* safe? what will it do? |
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| 09:49.45 | simonrvn | install a kernel |
| 09:49.54 | sepski | omry_ nothing you need to apt-get install kernel-image-version you want, and it will install a kernel |
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| 09:50.23 | omry_ | sepski, will it add a new menu item to grub? |
| 09:50.25 | sepski | omry_ and it will also keep your old kernel so it's safe enoufh, you have a boot floppy ofcouse |
| 09:50.30 | sepski | omry_ yes |
| 09:50.30 | cat | omry_: yes |
| 09:50.44 | omry_ | cool, thanks. |
| 09:51.30 | Agrajag- | hey all, im trying to setup clamav to scan all incoming emails to all users on my system. all i want it to do is to add an header specifying whether it's detected a virus or not, and the user can setup rules via procmail if they want. anyone know of a howto for this? im finding it a bit tricky... |
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| 09:52.41 | SiliconViper | http://www.metropolisshard.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=5148#5148 <-- For all the UO players out there, I give you this. Happy birthday. And it was all tested on Debian. |
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| 09:53.08 | trouble | what is the default download location for apt-get ? |
| 09:53.18 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
| 09:53.23 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.23 | trouble | ty |
| 09:53.49 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.51 | lord_rob | trouble: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:54.04 | simonrvn | lord_rob: *download* location |
| 09:54.11 | SiliconViper | lord_rob, he wanted to know where it downloads *TO*, methinks. |
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| 09:55.22 | lord_rob | simonrvn: so my english is not good enough. I understood he wanted to know where it downloads from ... |
| 09:55.39 | trouble | when i dowload a package with apt-get what is the path to the newly download package |
| 09:55.40 | polok | hmm, how would I go about making a shell script that searches a tree I tell it to, then puts the full path of every file of a specific type into a txtfile? |
| 09:55.50 | trouble | that is what i wanted to nkow |
| 09:56.01 | wanderer_ | trouble: /var/apt/cache/archives |
| 09:56.04 | dondelelcaro | polok: using find with -exec and file, usually. |
| 09:56.14 | trouble | ty :) |
| 09:56.16 | SiliconViper | trouble, <SiliconViper> /var/cache/apt/archives/* |
| 09:56.27 | simonrvn | lord_rob: your english is not the problem. you misunderstood, that's all |
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| 09:57.14 | Skaag | I have a problem with suexec enabled in apache not running my cgi scripts under debian |
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| 09:57.40 | Skaag | Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/nsa.co.il/smokeping.cgi |
| 09:59.20 | simonrvn | Skaag: check the file perms. owner/group should be set to the user/group the vhost is configured as |
| 09:59.29 | simonrvn | and should be 755 |
| 09:59.52 | simonrvn | well, so the daemon can exec it, and not group writable |
| 10:00.06 | polok | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 10:00.11 | Skaag | I see - trying this out |
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| 10:00.29 | owl | hi |
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| 10:00.59 | owl | is there a possitbillity to reinstall postgresql completely? so that etc-files are created automatically, too? |
| 10:01.15 | simonrvn | owl: they were wiped out? |
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| 10:01.43 | owl | simonrvn: yes. |
| 10:01.47 | simonrvn | owl: --force-confmiss if so. use dpkg |
| 10:02.06 | owl | ok. thx. will try it |
| 10:02.30 | Atrocity | hmm...so what do you do if you're trying to do a network-install and your computer totally crashes (kernel panic/freeze) when loading the tcp/ip stack |
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| 10:02.48 | simonrvn | fucked ;) |
| 10:03.02 | Atrocity | thought so |
| 10:03.06 | simonrvn | boot from another kernel maybe |
| 10:03.43 | Atrocity | the error is "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address ffffffef" |
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| 10:04.45 | simonrvn | hmm, doesn't look like the tcp/ip stack. looks like vfs paging or related |
| 10:05.06 | Atrocity | hmm.. |
| 10:05.06 | owl | well. here's no --force-confmiss in my dpkg |
| 10:05.30 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.37 | simonrvn | confmiss [!] Always install missing config files |
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| 10:07.35 | trouble | how do i delete a directory ?? |
| 10:07.52 | Atrocity | rm? |
| 10:07.54 | simonrvn | rmdir |
| 10:07.57 | trouble | ty |
| 10:08.05 | simonrvn | !rutebook |
| 10:08.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rutebook is an excellent book to learn about GNU/Linux - apt-get install rutebook |
| 10:08.06 | owl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:08.36 | simonrvn | owl: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /path/to/file.deb |
| 10:08.42 | Skaag | simonrvn: It still gives me a premature end of scripts. I did a lot of reading about this last week and some say that the suexec binary expects to find its cgi's under a hard coded path... |
| 10:08.43 | lord_rob | How do I select the default gcc version ? "update-alternatives gcc" tells me "No alternatives for gcc." although both gcc-2.95 and gcc-3.3 are installed |
| 10:09.21 | simonrvn | Skaag: /var/www |
| 10:09.39 | simonrvn | lord_rob: not handled by the altrenatives db |
| 10:09.46 | simonrvn | alternatives* |
| 10:10.10 | Skaag | simonrvn: Right, and running: strings suexec.disabled | less, I can see that string hard-coded in there. I tried to move my cgi over, and to set a scriptalias to it, but still the same. |
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| 10:10.31 | Skaag | so right now, smokeping.cgi is under /var/www/smokeping.cgi |
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| 10:10.42 | simonrvn | Skaag: what's the perms on it? /msg is ok |
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| 10:11.07 | xoz | lord_rob: you can change the symbolic link in /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 10:13.59 | Keiw | FREE ****** www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 10:14.11 | titan | I recently starting hosting my web service externally, and for the moment am still running the web service internally for internal users |
| 10:14.19 | titan | how do I get rid of this server, but direct everyone local to go to the external server through the dns? |
| 10:14.24 | nuix | The wheel of my mouse just functions as a button. how can i let it be a wheel? |
| 10:15.04 | titan | I've tried changing the ip address in the bind config.. this is not enough it seems |
| 10:15.21 | wanderer_ | nuix: change your xfree86-4.conf file |
| 10:15.28 | owl | why the henk does webmin always ask for a password of postgresql-DB? (after reinstallation of postgres) |
| 10:15.43 | wanderer_ | nuix : add something like this to the mouse section |
| 10:15.57 | wanderer_ | Option "ZAxisMapping" 4 5 |
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| 10:16.10 | wanderer_ | nuix : let me check if I remember it right |
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| 10:17.35 | simonrvn | !ops Keiw -- spamming # Keiw!~s@81.213.229.56 |
| 10:17.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Keiw -- spamming # Keiw!~s@81.213.229.56 |
| 10:17.47 | wanderer_ | nuix : yep. add Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" the mouse section of the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file |
| 10:18.01 | titan | hello ? |
| 10:18.17 | angkk | hi |
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| 10:18.37 | titan | can anyone answer my question? |
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| 10:19.07 | titan | see above / scroll up |
| 10:19.25 | coroner | titan: i cant help you totally but can point you in a direction, are you running a firewall/gateway? |
| 10:19.37 | titan | yes |
| 10:19.45 | titan | both |
| 10:19.52 | angkk | microsoft intellipoint how to? i want use mouse4 button to KDE |
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| 10:20.20 | coroner | there should be a dns table you can edit, and add the entry in there |
| 10:20.48 | titan | we only have an internal dns |
| 10:20.57 | titan | the external dns is the isp |
| 10:21.07 | coroner | or you could maybe set a redirect on the site itself |
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| 10:21.29 | titan | would you redirect to an ip address ? |
| 10:21.54 | angkk | how to use mouse 4 button... haven't you ever? |
| 10:22.50 | coroner | what kind of internal network setup is it ? couldnt you inform the users of the site change? |
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| 10:23.18 | titan | well we run the same domain name structur internally and externally |
| 10:23.40 | titan | so when they type the URL in the browser they get the local web |
| 10:23.49 | titan | due to the dns records |
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| 10:24.41 | coroner | couldnt you just remove that entry from the dns table then ? which would let their browser take them outside |
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| 10:25.37 | titan | I can try this... but wouldn';t it just time out, because the local dns thinks its authoritve for that domain |
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| 10:25.49 | titan | I dont think it will serach elsewhere |
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| 10:26.03 | omry_ | I tried to install kernel 2.6.8-2 and my system didn't boot. something about /console missing. any idea? |
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| 10:26.33 | deadline | hi, i have built mplayer from source. it worked perfect a while. now when playing mpg or avi files there is no picture only sound. any suggestions how to fix that? |
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| 10:26.58 | xoz | deadline: tried rebooting? |
| 10:27.18 | OrionBerlin | could someone help me? |
| 10:27.23 | deadline | xoz: yes, i have the problem since a few days now |
| 10:27.33 | coroner | titan: yeah im not 100% sure, i thought when the internal users tried to point to your outside hosting it just returned them to the internal due to your dns |
| 10:27.47 | simonrvn | omry_: forgot console support? |
| 10:27.48 | OrionBerlin | on the install from debian i choosed german keyboard, but now i got a english/american keyboard, how do i change it? |
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| 10:28.07 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 10:28.13 | omry_ | simonrvn, I installed using apt-get kernel-image-2.6.8-2, I didn't build it myself. |
| 10:28.26 | simonrvn | forgot the initrd? |
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| 10:28.35 | xoz | omry_: initrd |
| 10:28.38 | simonrvn | hello Phated_ |
| 10:28.46 | titan | coroner: we have just moved out web hosting servives externally, although al trying to remove these service internally |
| 10:29.06 | ArtVandalae | Is KWM still the WM of KDE? |
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| 10:29.12 | omry_ | simonrvn, I need to apt-get it seperately? |
| 10:29.18 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:29.37 | simonrvn | the install told you to edit your bootloader's conf to have an initrd= line |
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| 10:30.01 | omry_ | simonrvn, it did? I must have missed it. I`ll reconfigure.. |
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| 10:30.20 | JohnCoffee | hello |
| 10:30.40 | foobar_ | I have a board with a SIS chipset. Now I am trying to connect a USB device but every time i do this the machine freezes. In my kernel is OHCI, EHCI, support for Host-side USB, USB Mass Storage support and HID support. How can I fix this? |
| 10:30.57 | coroner | titan: you might just have to wait for someone more familiar with webhosting, ive only done small scale hosting from home. could possibily try the apache guys, i pressume thats what httpd your running |
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| 10:31.54 | prock | foobar_: can you be sure it's not a hardware problem? |
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| 10:32.17 | foobar_ | i tried different devices |
| 10:32.18 | omry_ | simonrvn, nope, It didn't say anything. it tried to update menu.lst by itself. |
| 10:32.25 | JohnCoffee | I have a problem with xcdroast under sid. after i had installed xcdroast the fonts were ok, like in gnome. but after xcdroast crashed the fonts are quite small. how can i fix this? |
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| 10:32.42 | simonrvn | omry_: ok |
| 10:33.37 | prock | foobar_: 'tail -f /var/log/kern.log' and try plugging the usb device in |
| 10:33.42 | omry_ | simonrvn, and the initrd seems okay in menu.lst. |
| 10:34.02 | foobar_ | ok |
| 10:34.35 | prock | foobar_ has quit (read error) ...? |
| 10:34.58 | foobar_ | i am still here |
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| 10:35.30 | OrionBerlin | im back, its still american/english layout of my keyboard :( |
| 10:35.44 | prock | does it freeze like you need to hard-reset? or just freeze momentarily, or just freeze while you have the device plugged in? |
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| 10:36.32 | foobar_ | it freezes when i plugin |
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| 10:36.45 | foobar_ | and i have to reset the machine |
| 10:36.49 | deadline | are there some important video codecs (mpg,avi,divx) i can get vi apt-get ? |
| 10:36.57 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: try dpkg-reconfigure console-tools |
| 10:37.40 | dannyp | you know, I think open source software has made some serious inroads in video software recently |
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| 10:38.00 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: don't /msg me please. |
| 10:38.01 | prock | foobar_ yuck... I betcha you could find an error in /var/log/foolog, though. |
| 10:38.06 | thomas__ | hi, spricht hier jemand deutsch |
| 10:38.10 | dannyp | and by recently I mean the past few years |
| 10:38.13 | foobar_ | prock: i will take a closer look on the hardware |
| 10:38.18 | OrionBerlin | mh okey |
| 10:38.21 | OrionBerlin | it wont work |
| 10:38.25 | OrionBerlin | i getting a error |
| 10:38.28 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: dpkg-reconfigure debconf to use dialog |
| 10:38.41 | JohnCoffee | thomas_ ja ich spreche deutsch |
| 10:38.52 | simonrvn | !german |
| 10:38.52 | dpkg | [german] #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 10:38.58 | prock | foobar_: I had reboots in the past with a bad usb port on my case... unplugging the port from the mobo solved the problem |
| 10:39.01 | nuix | simonrvn, i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. when i finish the configuration. no file is written. what's wrong with it? |
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| 10:39.13 | foobar_ | prock: ok, thx |
| 10:39.15 | simonrvn | nuix: you probably hand edited the file |
| 10:39.18 | JohnCoffee | logout |
| 10:39.21 | superSSS | I get the following error when building a kernel: make[2]: *** [arch/parisc/kernel/pdc_cons.o] Error 1 ; make[1]: *** [arch/parisc/kernel] Error 2 ; make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8' ; make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 |
| 10:39.39 | deadline | hi, a few days ago i have built the latest mplayer from source. it worked fine for a while, but now there is only sound without a picture when trying to play videofiles. how could i fix that? |
| 10:39.41 | thomas__ | danke |
| 10:39.45 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, when i enter that nothing will start |
| 10:39.46 | nuix | simonrvn, yes. how can i fix the problem? |
| 10:39.56 | simonrvn | superSSS: a) don't paste here b) that's useless output. the real stuff is above that |
| 10:40.13 | simonrvn | nuix: says so at the top, in the comments |
| 10:40.15 | prock | superSSS: make-kpkg and try again |
| 10:40.23 | prock | superSSS: make-kpkg clean and try again |
| 10:40.41 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 10:40.41 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
| 10:41.03 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: what do you mean? |
| 10:41.37 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, when i enter dpkg-reconfigure console-tools must there come an window to change something if if yes, nothing happen here |
| 10:42.10 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: run dpkg-reconfigure debconf first, and change 'kde' (or 'qt') to dialog |
| 10:42.23 | OrionBerlin | done it already |
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| 10:43.10 | superSSS | simonrvn: #flood |
| 10:44.13 | paster | "OrionBerlin" at 217.231.182.254 pasted "Need help to get apt-get running, exim4 wont allow it. it ever popup first" (53 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/318 |
| 10:44.49 | deadline | is there any video codec package i can apt-get? |
| 10:45.16 | OrionBerlin | deadline, why you dont use, VLC ? |
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| 10:46.15 | deadline | OrionBerlin: i like mplayer |
| 10:46.30 | OrionBerlin | ah ok |
| 10:46.31 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: um, try apt-get -f install first. |
| 10:46.31 | prock | deadline: apt-get.org has non-free mplayer codecs |
| 10:47.20 | Skaag | !win skaag |
| 10:47.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, skaag! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 10:47.25 | Opiated | !tell deadline about mplayer |
| 10:47.50 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, my greatest problem is at the moment my keyboard language and this Exim. |
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| 10:48.20 | simonrvn | do apt-get -f install. then fix your kbd |
| 10:48.23 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, i dont want to use it but ever when i enter apt-get blabla for something then Exim want to be configured |
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| 10:48.43 | deadline | Opiated: i already have mplayer installed. but after a few days the pictures dont work anymore. i hear only sound when playing movies |
| 10:48.45 | simonrvn | i don't understand german very well :/ |
| 10:48.54 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, i done it |
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| 10:49.10 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, but now exim popup again! i cant use apt-get |
| 10:49.37 | Snakehand | Where is the "correct" place to put iptables setup scripts ? |
| 10:50.30 | mosty | snakehand: i create /etc/init.d/firewall and use update-rc.d to make it run at boot |
| 10:50.39 | simonrvn | Snakehand: there isn't, but usually in /etc/init.d, then using rcconf or update-rc.d or whatever to update the symlinks |
| 10:50.47 | fyrestrtr | hmm -- I was kinda bummed that the default install process chooses ext3 for / -- is there anyway to convert it to reiserfs? |
| 10:50.54 | simonrvn | w00t, kernel build done |
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| 10:51.08 | mosty | fyrestrtr, it's just a default, you can select reiserfs in the installer |
| 10:51.10 | Opiated | what does w00t mean? |
| 10:51.14 | prock | w00t |
| 10:51.16 | cat | !woot |
| 10:51.16 | dpkg | methinks woot is an expression of joy. Also spelled w00t. |
| 10:51.29 | OrionBerlin | !help |
| 10:51.43 | Snakehand | Ok, thanks alot ... |
| 10:51.45 | fyrestrtr | well, too late now. |
| 10:51.55 | fyrestrtr | Anyway, I'm just testing out debian, so it won't matter too much. |
| 10:52.10 | OrionBerlin | if someone knw how to remove exim it would be nice |
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| 10:52.31 | Phated | Install another MTA? |
| 10:52.37 | mosty | OrionBerlin, apt-get isntall <another mta> |
| 10:52.42 | Opiated | OrionBerlin, apt-get install nullmailer && apt-get --purge remove exim4 |
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| 10:53.32 | OrionBerlin | Opiated can i privat mesasge you for a second? |
| 10:53.35 | Opiated | no |
| 10:53.51 | deadline | Opiated: will replacing exim4 with nullmailer fix my problem also? my problem is, when booting up the machine, MTA (exim4) starting up takes a few minutes |
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| 10:54.04 | Opiated | deadline, probably |
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| 10:54.28 | deadline | Opiated: is there somethin bad with nullmailer? security? |
| 10:54.30 | prock | I've noticed exim4 is taking a weekandahalf to start lately, too. =( |
| 10:54.33 | Opiated | no |
| 10:54.37 | fyrestrtr | While searching for the install process on debian.org, I came across a link that pointed me to a list of installers for debian. Are these just ways to install debian from other distributions, or frontends for the install process itself? |
| 10:54.44 | Opiated | !nullmailer |
| 10:54.44 | dpkg | methinks nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/ |
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| 10:55.34 | OrionBerlin | Opiated, how can i change now my keyboard settings ? its damn english i done all which simonvm said, but still its english |
| 10:55.47 | Opiated | I don't know |
| 10:56.00 | OrionBerlin | I want german keyboard :( |
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| 10:56.08 | [Granger] | umm |
| 10:56.11 | [Granger] | what are you using, KDE? |
| 10:56.13 | superSSS | Under which section do i find promise card driver? |
| 10:56.18 | OrionBerlin | no im using GNOME |
| 10:56.19 | igod | ? X11 ? |
| 10:56.20 | deadline | OrionBerlin: you mean in X? or in the console? |
| 10:56.28 | OrionBerlin | in X and console |
| 10:56.32 | [Granger] | xf86config |
| 10:56.40 | [Granger] | dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
| 10:56.42 | prock | OrionBerlin: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 10:56.50 | [Granger] | well and that |
| 10:56.51 | igod | well . /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:57.05 | [Granger] | igod: debian doesn't use xorg.conf |
| 10:57.10 | Opiated | xorg for debian? |
| 10:57.14 | [Granger] | XFree86-4 |
| 10:57.23 | igod | sorry, i'm use in freebsd :P |
| 10:57.36 | Opiated | you are in the wrong channel |
| 10:57.57 | igod | no . i'm use freebsd before |
| 10:58.03 | igod | but i'm use debian now |
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| 10:58.13 | prock | igod you're forgiven |
| 10:58.34 | deadline | can i purge exim4-base after uninstalling exim4, without having problems after that/ |
| 10:58.37 | OrionBerlin | ehm is there a kernel to get from debian server the newest or i need to compile myself the newest? |
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| 10:59.08 | OrionBerlin | i got the 2.4.27-1-386 kernel |
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| 10:59.11 | Opiated | apt-cache search kernel-image|grep 2.6 |
| 10:59.22 | [Granger] | OrionBerlin: you're on woody aren't you? |
| 10:59.24 | prock | deadline: apt-get --purge remove exim4-base and see what it wants to remove |
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| 10:59.38 | OrionBerlin | gran, no im not im on sarge |
| 10:59.50 | Opiated | OrionBerlin, apt-cache search kernel-image|grep 2.6 |
| 10:59.52 | OrionBerlin | all said i should use it |
| 11:00.05 | xoz | !newest |
| 11:00.05 | dpkg | somebody said newest was *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
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| 11:01.12 | Opiated | stick to kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 <= you would most probably want to use this package |
| 11:01.32 | deadline | prock: it seems that the installation of nullmailer already has removed exim4-base. :) |
| 11:02.02 | Opiated | deadline, try and read the console output next time |
| 11:02.16 | deadline | Opiated: it went too fast... |
| 11:02.32 | OrionBerlin | Opiated, okey i will, sorry for so many quetions but i did today changed to debian has used befor a bit Fedora Core 3 |
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| 11:02.50 | OrionBerlin | Opiated, im new to linux :) |
| 11:02.55 | Opiated | so am I |
| 11:03.42 | Opiated | 5 am, time to sleep |
| 11:03.45 | OrionBerlin | ill restating |
| 11:03.46 | deadline | OrionBerlin: good decision to wipe out fedora... |
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| 11:03.53 | prock | indeed |
| 11:04.03 | sarath | whats the topic |
| 11:04.11 | OrionBerlin | deadline, i used one time long time ago Kanotix it was nice with apt-get |
| 11:04.27 | deadline | OrionBerlin: whats Kanotix? |
| 11:04.38 | OrionBerlin | deadline, then changed to fecora it looks nice but had alot problems there :( |
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| 11:05.19 | Osric | Can I restrict which locales are generated/installed into /usr/share/i18n/locales? |
| 11:05.21 | deadline | OrionBerlin: ofcourse it has problems. they kept developing redhat for commercial use, and everything what did not work properly they put n fedora. :P |
| 11:05.23 | OrionBerlin | deadline, #kanotix its a distrubition based on knoppix but all is updated and it find better hardware |
| 11:05.31 | doc2 | deadline: is based on knoppix but with better hardwarediagnostic |
| 11:05.33 | JediMaster | how do you change debconf to non-interactive mode? |
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| 11:05.54 | OrionBerlin | damn i restart brb |
| 11:06.33 | deadline | anyway, knoppix, std, damnsmall are nice live distros, but they suck as hdd installation. especially when it comes to dist-upgrades or broken dependencies.... |
| 11:06.52 | zahod | JediMaster, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 11:07.24 | JediMaster | zahod: hmmm anyway it can be done from the command line non-interactively? ;-) |
| 11:07.46 | doc2 | deadline: not so with kanotix, its only sid |
| 11:08.19 | doc2 | the best livedistri i ever had seen |
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| 11:08.39 | Osric | Is there a general way I can slim down a debian install? I'm fairly sure there's a whole bunch of stuff that I don't need (like, timezone data for antartica etc) |
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| 11:09.24 | petemc | Osric: the debian base is pretty small as it is |
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| 11:10.01 | kratzer54847 | noobs! |
| 11:10.01 | Osric | I'm working in a fairly tight enviroment |
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| 11:10.32 | ArtVandalae | kratzer54847, do you have anything more constructive to add? |
| 11:10.57 | Agrajag- | if im using /etc/procmailrc to get spamassassin to check everyone's emails, then move it to $HOME/.Spam, the permissions for the actual spam email file are wrong (root/mail). how do i give it the right permissions? |
| 11:11.01 | zahod | JediMaster, dunno, maybe, use your jedi powers and man apt-get |
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| 11:11.15 | sarath | my X server keeps crashing |
| 11:11.31 | ArtVandalae | sarath, that's way to general, do you get an error? |
| 11:11.33 | Agrajag- | as in.. if an email gets marked as spam, it gets moved to $HOME/.Spam, but then the user can't read it because it's got wrong permissions |
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| 11:12.00 | deadline | doc2: oh didn't know that. |
| 11:12.19 | doc2 | test it :-) |
| 11:12.24 | petemc | its not true |
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| 11:12.38 | Osric | Agrajag-: Do you have a DROPPRIVS=yes line in your /etc/procmailrc? |
| 11:12.49 | tenvy | 好阿 |
| 11:12.57 | Agrajag- | Osric: uhh.. nope |
| 11:13.00 | sarath | well it didnt work right after i installed debian |
| 11:13.00 | doc2 | www.kanotix.com |
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| 11:13.29 | deadline | has anybody of you guys tested the new debian/kfreebsd project? |
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| 11:13.55 | wodantj | Hi! I'm wondering, if I download the kernel sources and run make oldconfig - will it use the corresponding kernel-image's .config? |
| 11:14.10 | ArtVandalae | deadline, I remember reading saying that was dropped, unless there was an insider joke I missed somewhere in the comment |
| 11:14.37 | bodq | what should I do if proftpd is *very* slow with some hosts? delayengine is off |
| 11:14.38 | petemc | wodantj: the config for a kernel image in is /boot/config-kernel-version |
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| 11:15.01 | deadline | ArtVandalae: no, its running. ive been to the presntation in belgium. |
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| 11:15.10 | wodantj | petemc: Yeah i know but the kernel is compiling right now and it takes alot of time so I was wondering if it did use the corresponding image .config |
| 11:15.23 | trueno | Hi! Anyone succesful with GMailfs could tell me where to find a good howto/tutorial? I can't get it working! |
| 11:15.26 | wodantj | petemc: i didn't know before i started the compile =) |
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| 11:17.05 | ArtVandalae | trueno, GMailFS, where you can use Gmail as a storage for your HDDs contents? I'm pretty sure Gmail is trying to put a stop to it. So this wouldn't be the best place to find help |
| 11:17.14 | deadline | whats the best method to remove a app which was built from source. (except the almighty rm -rf command) |
| 11:17.38 | trueno | ArtVandalae: Ok, thanks |
| 11:17.41 | esap | how do I configure locales to support both UTF-8 and screen control codes (e.g. ones used by 'man'). It seems LC_CTYPE UTF-8 setting breaks manual pages :-( |
| 11:17.43 | Osric | dedline: The package may have a 'make uninstall' (if you are lucky) |
| 11:17.44 | bodq | deadline: make uninstall |
| 11:18.01 | deadline | Osric: bodq thx |
| 11:18.08 | superSSS | Under which kernel config section do i find promise card driver? |
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| 11:19.00 | CyzarX | what are the software available to check for ethernet card ? |
| 11:19.14 | deadline | Osric: bodq: result of make uninstall: /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file (i did a make clean before, do i have to build first before doing 'make uninstall' ?) |
| 11:19.15 | petemc | CyzarX: dmesg, lspci |
| 11:19.46 | Osric | deadline: Not sure, depends too much on the package. Probably can't hurt. |
| 11:20.58 | superSSS | Is there a package in debian, that would allow more roots on one box, like Virtual Private Server? |
| 11:21.19 | Osric | superSSS: User Mode LInux. (uml.sf.net, I think) |
| 11:21.27 | CyzarX | petemc, other than dmesg, lspci, is there any other software? |
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| 11:21.49 | xoz | CyzarX: hwinfo |
| 11:21.59 | superSSS | Osric: thats umbrello |
| 11:21.59 | petemc | CyzarX: ifs its isa, cat /proc/ioports or /proc/iomem |
| 11:22.13 | Osric | superSSS: Well, google is your friend |
| 11:22.41 | xoz | superSSS: xen |
| 11:23.26 | superSSS | apt-cache show xen |
| 11:23.26 | superSSS | W: Unable to locate package xen |
| 11:23.45 | xoz | its in sid |
| 11:23.49 | petemc | superSSS: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:24.12 | jinti | stardict .-_-# |
| 11:24.32 | jinti | how to install lib in debian? |
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| 11:24.43 | CyzarX | it is a pci ethernet card, dlink. DFE-538TX Rev D2 |
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| 11:25.13 | CyzarX | few days back, a big thunderstorm striked. how can i check whether my ethernet card still functionable ? |
| 11:25.34 | petemc | CyzarX: try and use it |
| 11:25.49 | bodq | jinti: it works for me |
| 11:26.21 | jinti | real ? |
| 11:26.30 | bodq | jinti: want a screenshot? |
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| 11:26.42 | jinti | i'm come from china ,my english so poor |
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| 11:27.04 | jinti | yes ,thanks |
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| 11:28.01 | MrEd | Hi |
| 11:28.02 | HelmutG | hi i'd like to know which case is most likely to be true. observation: firefox (sid) doesn't display css counters. cases: 1) my css is broken 2) my firefox is broken 3) firefox is broken generally. which one? |
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| 11:29.38 | fyrestrtr | oh this .... how its not going to tell me that its installing 2.4 :| |
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| 11:30.02 | fyrestrtr | HelmutG: 1. |
| 11:30.27 | HelmutG | fyrestrtr: ok. i thought that was the case. i therefore searched some examples and they are all not working. |
| 11:31.41 | bodq | jinti: what is your problem |
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| 11:32.11 | CyzarX | he cant speak engilsh well bodq |
| 11:32.26 | bodq | jinti: join #debian-zh |
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| 11:32.43 | jinti | OK. |
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| 11:34.57 | Phated | Y'know, I could, but I wouldn't want to mess about with utf-8. |
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| 11:36.51 | fflush | Where I can find prebuild debian kernels with xen12 support ? |
| 11:37.01 | trueno | Is it possible to issue a low-level command (like dd) on a remote hdd? Just that I need to access /dev/hda... |
| 11:37.12 | fflush | I am trying to build it with no luck for the past hours |
| 11:37.36 | bodq | trueno: use netcat |
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| 11:37.56 | trueno | bodq: ok |
| 11:38.11 | DebizillA | morning all :) |
| 11:38.43 | bodq | trueno: like, dd if=/dev/hda | netcat somehost someport ; on somehost: netcat -p someport |
| 11:38.55 | bodq | trueno: that's if course only if you run trusted network |
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| 11:39.04 | xoz | fflush: kernel-image-2.4.25-xeno-p2-modules ? |
| 11:39.04 | DebizillA | quick question, i am trying to get the colored interface in emacs (for java, and tex files) any pointers? |
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| 11:39.21 | bodq | trueno: you can also use ssh : "ssh login@remote dd if=/dev/hda" |
| 11:39.39 | resiak | DebizillA, read the EMACS FAQ? |
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| 11:39.41 | bodq | DebizillA: font-lock-mode |
| 11:39.46 | superSSS | Under which kernel config section do i find promise card driver? |
| 11:39.48 | bodq | DebizillA: #emacs also |
| 11:40.10 | simonrvn | superSSS: under drivers > ATA probably |
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| 11:42.09 | trueno | bodq: I see... The thing is that I have to do a ntfsclone of host1, running knoppix. Host2 would run the program (ntfsclone) grabbing the data from a NTFS partition in host1 and storing the img file in a FAT32 partition in ... |
| 11:42.14 | trueno | host1 as well. I don't know if this is possible |
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| 11:44.04 | DebizillA | resiak: i just went through the FAQ saw nothing that relates to colored font faces at the first look, is there a specific FAQ entry you know of so that i can look after that? |
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| 11:45.47 | DebizillA | bodq: what exactly you meant by "#emacs" and "font-lock-mode" |
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| 11:45.57 | Borszczuk | hi |
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| 11:46.16 | OrionBerlin | mhhh need help again :) i do not find the kernel sources for 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 11:46.35 | Borszczuk | anyone can tell what do I loose if I disable ACPI in my kernel? |
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| 11:47.06 | resiak | DebizillA, I spent about two hours or so trying to let Emacs into my black vim-tainted heart, and ultimately gave up, but it was in a fairly obscure place :) |
| 11:47.13 | fflush | xoz: thats on unstable ? |
| 11:47.24 | xoz | fflush: yep |
| 11:48.51 | fflush | I will give this a try |
| 11:49.01 | DebizillA | resiak: well mate, it's just more convenient to see codes different from normal text color... i mean it's supposed to be default those color schemes, isn't it? |
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| 11:50.07 | bodq | trueno: you must run ntfsclone on the box where the NTFS partition is located, and then pipe its output to the network |
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| 11:50.49 | trueno | bodq: so no way to do it remotely, right? |
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| 11:52.10 | resiak | DebizillA, yeah, I know. If you put (global-font-lock-mode 1) into ~/.emacs, joy should be yours. |
| 11:52.13 | bodq | trueno: there is no default method to access a device through the network |
| 11:52.32 | DebizillA | resiak: lemme try :) |
| 11:52.41 | kadmos | DebizillA, make sure your terminal supports colors (tput colors) |
| 11:53.04 | DebizillA | well i think it does, cus my shell itself is colorful :P |
| 11:53.14 | kadmos | DebizillA, make sure Emacs knows your terminal supports colors (M-x list-colors-display) |
| 11:53.34 | OrionBerlin | Does someone have a Tutorial how to make a Kernel in Debian? |
| 11:53.48 | trueno | bodq: Thank you very much :-) |
| 11:53.53 | trueno | Bye! |
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| 11:54.35 | kadmos | this is assuming your buffer is in the appropriate mode supporting colorization |
| 11:54.46 | kadmos | and that you've enabled font-lock-mode (M-x font-lock-mode) |
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| 11:55.40 | tchino | i want to mount my ipod on /mnt/ipod, but when i do this i get the message: |
| 11:55.43 | tchino | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 11:55.43 | tchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.44 | DebizillA | resiak: my thanks to you! victory shall be all ours!! |
| 11:56.34 | resiak | DebizillA, no problem. |
| 11:57.12 | tchino | what i can do? I have a pentax-camera on the same usb-port, when i connect this, it will done, but not the ipod-mp3-player |
| 11:57.25 | DebizillA | resiak: just more question mate, if that's ok.. is it not possible to change font size in the program (emacs) or one has to change that via .emacs as well? |
| 11:57.52 | resiak | DebizillA, I have absolutely no idea. I'm a VI man myself ;) |
| 11:58.01 | DebizillA | ah i see.... |
| 11:58.03 | tchino | both on /dev/sda1 |
| 11:58.34 | DebizillA | resiak: well in that case, i shall thank you once more and dive back to my report... |
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| 11:58.52 | DebizillA | take care, all ... |
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| 12:05.29 | JarJarBinks | does anyone use gvim, and if so, what did you have to type in sources.list to get it available for apt-get |
| 12:05.52 | JarJarBinks | when googling gvim debian sources.list I get all japanese sites |
| 12:06.01 | resiak | JarJarBinks: apt-cache search gvim; pick one; apt-get install vim-gnome (for example) |
| 12:06.01 | valdyn | !find vim-gnome |
| 12:06.04 | tchino | nobody an idea |
| 12:06.07 | dpkg | vim-gnome: (Vi IMproved - GNOME2 Version), section editors, is extra. Version: 1:6.3-061+1 (sid), Packaged size: 698 kB, Installed size: 1416 kB |
| 12:06.15 | valdyn | JarJarBinks: ^^^ ? |
| 12:06.16 | Vestige | just apt-get install vim-gtk |
| 12:06.28 | resiak | tchino: What filesystem does your iPod use? Is it using the weird Appley one? |
| 12:07.05 | JarJarBinks | resiak: valdyn: Vestige: thanks a lot :) |
| 12:07.14 | tchino | resiak: how can i find it out, i have format it under windows with the apple program i-tune |
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| 12:08.44 | resiak | tchino: In that case, it's using FAT. Sorry, but I don't know what else to suggest. I've had success with mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/ipod in the past. |
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| 12:09.55 | tchino | resiak: i think so, too. I have mounted a camera before on the same /dev/sda1, must I reconfigurate this device |
| 12:10.06 | resiak | tchino: Not a clue. |
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| 12:10.42 | Honey | hi |
| 12:10.53 | resiak | Hi, honey! |
| 12:10.57 | tchino | resiak: when i mount the ipod, i get the message: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 12:10.57 | tchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.12 | resiak | tchino: I know. I have read the scrollback. |
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| 12:11.16 | Gumby | any NFS junkies here? I have an export that I have set to uid/gid 1000, however I need to have one specfic file created as root. Is this possible? I have tried adding root to the gid 1000 but it doesnt work. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 12:11.18 | Zta | Anyone who can recomment an CF or PCMCIA bluetooth dongle? I'd like it as small as possible, so it inserts completely into my ThinkPad X30. I don't want mini PCI or USB. |
| 12:11.41 | Honey | Hi guys plz rate me @ http://www.darkwars.org/index.php?a=click&id=74311 |
| 12:11.56 | scarynetworkguy | Honey: Don't spam. |
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| 12:12.23 | resiak | tchino: What's the mount command that you're using? If there's an entry in fstab, what's that? |
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| 12:13.43 | tchino | resiak: /dev/sda1 /mnt/pentax vfat noauto,user 0 0 |
| 12:13.43 | tchino | /dev/sda1 /mnt/ipod vfat noauto,user 0 0 |
| 12:14.17 | tchino | resiak: as root, mount /mnt/ipod |
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| 12:15.34 | resiak | tchino: Try removing the ipod line from fstab and use mount /mnt/pentax |
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| 12:15.58 | valdyn | !fgi tchino ipod mount linux |
| 12:15.59 | dpkg | tchino: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ipod mount linux |
| 12:16.45 | resiak | valdyn: I think that that's wishful thinking :) |
| 12:16.55 | paulswm | Gumby: *shrug* the options are in man exports. Perhaps no_root_squash to prevent root being remapped |
| 12:17.04 | tchino | resiak: the same |
| 12:17.11 | tchino | !fgi tchino ipod mount linux |
| 12:17.11 | dpkg | tchino: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ipod mount linux |
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| 12:18.04 | resiak | tchino: Do as dpkg says and google it :) |
| 12:18.10 | InitMass | is it possible to change workspace in gnome when scrolling the mouse wheel or when i reach the edge of the screen? |
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| 12:19.03 | devil87 | hi |
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| 12:19.12 | tchino | resiak: i have do it, on there i found a page, there it says, that you format the ipod on ext2, but this is not so good for windows |
| 12:19.25 | devil87 | in the last version of debian is there kde 3.3? |
| 12:19.28 | Gumby | paulswm: yes, that would work for that specific usage... but the problem arises that the users gid/uid on my boxes arent the same on each box |
| 12:19.57 | Gumby | paulswm: I dont know if such an "animal" exists... but a u/g id mapping file would work great here. |
| 12:20.17 | devil87 | can someone answer me? |
| 12:20.22 | resiak | tchino: No, it's not. Look, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/ipod works absolutely fine, if your iPod is in fact on sda and not on, say, sdb. There is nothing more that I can say to help, since it worksforme. |
| 12:20.24 | Gumby | ie) uid-1000->uid->1001 |
| 12:20.29 | valdyn | InitMass: apt-cache search gnome mouse edge |
| 12:20.37 | resiak | !tell devil87 about pdo |
| 12:20.41 | Gumby | devil87: that all depends on what you mean by "latest" |
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| 12:21.46 | InitMass | valdyn, thanx. i'll do that |
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| 12:21.59 | Gumby | paulswm: and yes, I have looked through man exports... no_root_squash would be a great option, except for the fact that I already have u/g id's set |
| 12:22.02 | paulswm | Gumby: Yes, I was thinking the same. Hoever, you could create a group, add the users to that, and give the export group rwx |
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| 12:22.33 | tchino | resiak: the pentax and the ipod i have connected them on the same usb-port |
| 12:22.46 | paulswm | Gumby: The gid being the same on both machines, of course |
| 12:22.53 | valdyn | tchino: did you use google? |
| 12:23.04 | tchino | resiak: the pentax mounted right but the ipod give this message |
| 12:23.09 | tchino | valdyn: xes |
| 12:23.12 | tchino | valdyn: yes |
| 12:23.15 | resiak | tchino: That really is fairly irrelevant. Check dmesg to figure out what SCSI device the iPod is on. |
| 12:23.29 | tchino | cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 12:23.31 | Gumby | yeah, I was just thinking that also |
| 12:23.37 | tchino | Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 |
| 12:23.37 | tchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.37 | tchino | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.09 | resiak | tchino: Are you sure that the 1 in scsi1 there doesn't count from 0? |
| 12:24.42 | resiak | !tell paulswm -about sunday |
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| 12:24.50 | simonrvn | resiak: correct: Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00 ;) |
| 12:24.56 | resiak | !win me |
| 12:24.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 12:24.59 | paulswm | resiak: :P |
| 12:25.15 | Agrajag- | anyone know how to stop courier spamming syslog with login/logout info? i have DEBUG_LOGIN=0, and have put imaplogin.* /dev/null in my /etc/syslog.conf - but still it all appears. anyway ideas? |
| 12:25.27 | Gumby | paulswm: I should just be able to add root to the exports gid. That should work shouldnt it? And then chmod +gw /exportname -R ? |
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| 12:25.37 | tchino | resiak: what you mean with that? |
| 12:25.43 | resiak | tchino: In case you haven't made the connection, the point is that your iPod is on /dev/sdb, not /dev/sda |
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| 12:26.00 | OrionBerlin | ehm, i want to compile my own kernel, when i enter now "make menuconfig" i get an error becouse "You must install ncurses-devel in order" but if i make now: apt-get install ncurses-devel , hes not finding the package |
| 12:26.07 | resiak | !faq OrionBerlin |
| 12:26.08 | dpkg | OrionBerlin: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 12:27.04 | paulswm | Gumby: I suppose you could try it out. It's not something I've needed to fiddle with as I keep the same UIDs/GIDs across my network. |
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| 12:28.29 | simonrvn | paulswm: LDAP |
| 12:28.56 | Gumby | paulswm: well, thats another option. change all the u/g id's on one box |
| 12:29.06 | tchino | resiak: /dev/sdb1 is not a valid block device |
| 12:29.23 | simonrvn | um, sda1 |
| 12:29.26 | OrionBerlin | resiak, ther eis nothing written about kernel ;) |
| 12:29.30 | simonrvn | or anything after |
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| 12:29.46 | resiak | simonrvn: Wasn't this the whole point of scsi1? |
| 12:30.13 | simonrvn | yes. but seems that's the first scsi device hence the sda |
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| 12:30.41 | simonrvn | hint to you folks not used to SCSI: yes, device count works like IDE devices |
| 12:30.55 | resiak | simonrvn: Hell, I don't know. |
| 12:31.05 | valdyn | simonrvn: doesnt? |
| 12:31.13 | simonrvn | re-read |
| 12:31.30 | valdyn | simonrvn: i *think* it doesnt |
| 12:31.30 | resiak | OrionBerlin: How about you read the page, and look at section 3. |
| 12:31.48 | simonrvn | no, it does, trust me. i'm typing from an all-scsi box |
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| 12:32.02 | simonrvn | sda, sdb, sdc, etc. |
| 12:32.04 | OrionBerlin | resiak, sorry saw it now ;) |
| 12:32.05 | resiak | simonrvn: So you mean that even if his iPod is on scsi1, it could still be sda? |
| 12:32.10 | simonrvn | sda1, sda2, etc. |
| 12:32.21 | resiak | OrionBerlin: It really is a good idea to read pages you're pointed to. |
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| 12:32.33 | simonrvn | if it's the first one there yes. if nt, then he's gotta look elsewhere |
| 12:32.38 | simonrvn | not* |
| 12:32.56 | resiak | simonrvn: Hmm, I've learnt something today. Thanks :) |
| 12:33.12 | simonrvn | hey guess what? just like IDE devices |
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| 12:33.26 | valdyn | simonrvn: ok - were talking about slightly different things, the difference is, first found scsi device will be sda, unlike the first found IDE device which will not neccessarily be hda |
| 12:33.28 | simonrvn | or any other thing - first one gets the first slot |
| 12:33.38 | simonrvn | valdyn: no? |
| 12:33.52 | simonrvn | been like that on my boxen |
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| 12:34.01 | valdyn | simonrvn: hda is always the first device on the first found interface |
| 12:34.08 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 12:34.29 | shomon | hi - is there a newbie channel or can I ask basic questions here about getting a debian install to work with my cable modem? |
| 12:34.33 | simonrvn | e.g., first framebuffer gets fb0, etc. |
| 12:35.06 | paulswm | shomon: Ask away, somone might be able to help you :) |
| 12:35.12 | shomon | thanks paulswm |
| 12:35.18 | simonrvn | shomon: uses dhcp. if your modem works that way, you're in luck, otherwise you gotta go through a box that can give you an ip via dhcp |
| 12:35.30 | valdyn | simonrvn: however if the first found ide device is slave on the first found interface it will be hdb, no hda will exist |
| 12:35.39 | shomon | basically yesterday my cable connection was working fine,. using dhcp |
| 12:35.49 | shomon | then I did a dist-upgrade and something got screwed up |
| 12:35.57 | simonrvn | valdyn: that's true. got confused the first time i saw that :) |
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| 12:36.14 | resiak | simonrvn: See, that's what I thought applied to scsi as well. |
| 12:36.31 | simonrvn | resiak: no. first one gets sda, etc. |
| 12:36.59 | simonrvn | first scsi bus, first device, gets sda. second scsi bus first scsi device, gets sdb, etc. |
| 12:37.12 | shomon | I can't ping anything, and don't really know what to do to troubleshoot |
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| 12:37.33 | resiak | simonrvn: I see. Thanks -- I didn't expect to learn something on #debian on a Sunday! Anyway, it looks like tchino gave up on this channel... |
| 12:37.38 | simonrvn | check your routing table - should have a UG in there, check that the interface is up |
| 12:37.40 | valdyn | simonrvn: still wrong, the 2nd found scsi device gets hdb, no matter where it is |
| 12:37.48 | valdyn | simonrvn: still wrong, the 2nd found scsi device gets sdb, no matter where it is |
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| 12:38.02 | shomon | where is the routing table? |
| 12:38.10 | simonrvn | valdyn: *bzzt*. this time you're wrong |
| 12:38.12 | Putiikki | shomon: ifconfig |
| 12:38.19 | simonrvn | route -n |
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| 12:38.41 | simonrvn | pasting in #flood |
| 12:38.45 | cvxb | hey google www.otomotivshow.com :) |
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| 12:38.50 | shomon | ok there's nothing returned by route -n except some table headings |
| 12:39.02 | simonrvn | valdyn: wanna join #flood please? |
| 12:39.03 | shomon | ifconfig gives local loopback working and thjat's it |
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| 12:39.13 | valdyn | simonrvn: ok |
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| 12:39.57 | Putiikki | shomon: try ifup eth0 |
| 12:40.15 | shomon | operation failed - :( |
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| 12:41.19 | OrionBerlin | resiak, yea sorry, i didn't scool down :( |
| 12:41.36 | resiak | OrionBerlin: Just don't do it again, or I will shout at you. :) |
| 12:41.41 | simonrvn | as root, or sudo ifup eth0. check ifconfig eth0 first |
| 12:42.02 | resiak | !win simonrvn |
| 12:42.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 12:42.05 | shomon | I did it as root |
| 12:42.15 | shomon | but let's see ifconfig etho0... |
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| 12:42.26 | simonrvn | just so happens my boot drive is sde ;) |
| 12:42.30 | OrionBerlin | resiak, hehe :P no problem |
| 12:42.51 | shomon | ok ifconfig eth0 gives "device not found" so it could be that whatevr module is not compiled? (wild guess) |
| 12:42.56 | OrionBerlin | resiak, do you work with gnome maybe? |
| 12:42.57 | Putiikki | shomon: do you know what module your NIC uses? |
| 12:43.13 | fyrestrtr | there is no php5 port (?) in debian testing? I didn't see it in the list that the installer gives, but I'm new so I might have missed it. |
| 12:43.29 | resiak | OrionBerlin: Why are you asking? |
| 12:43.36 | simonrvn | fyrestrtr: no. try /msg dpkg php5 |
| 12:43.38 | shomon | no.. what's a nic? |
| 12:43.45 | Putiikki | network card |
| 12:43.53 | OrionBerlin | resiak, becoue i need a bit help in gnome to change icons via gnome-themes |
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| 12:44.13 | shomon | is there a way to fiind out? |
| 12:44.26 | fyrestrtr | oh, have to get sid I suppose. |
| 12:44.40 | Putiikki | shomon: if you know what your network card is |
| 12:44.56 | simonrvn | fyrestrtr: nah, it'll build on a sarge box |
| 12:44.58 | resiak | OrionBerlin: I'm inclined to point you at #debian-gnome |
| 12:45.01 | shomon | just checking the back of the computer. new, donated by local charity ! |
| 12:45.26 | shomon | it's just on the motherboard |
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| 12:45.36 | fyrestrtr | well I suppose I should wait till the base packages are done, then I'll get to it :) |
| 12:45.50 | OrionBerlin | resiak, okey thanks then i ask there :) |
| 12:45.53 | shomon | no idea how to fin out what it is. will look in linuxconf .. or maybe there's a device listing in pci? |
| 12:45.54 | eric | hi all |
| 12:46.01 | Putiikki | shomon: what motherboard you have then? :) |
| 12:46.03 | OrionBerlin | resiak, hehe no one there :P |
| 12:46.04 | resiak | OrionBerlin: Feel free to ask here, but you'll probably be sent there anyway. |
| 12:46.30 | OrionBerlin | resiak, there is no one :P |
| 12:46.34 | resiak | OrionBerlin: Oh, right. Sorry. Gnome's IRC is on irc.gnome.org. But ask away here. |
| 12:46.42 | shomon | I don't know that either. the box is a dell |
| 12:46.48 | Putiikki | okey |
| 12:46.56 | shomon | I'm looking around in info centre |
| 12:47.25 | CAiRO | is there a way to keep certain files always in memory? i'd waste some memory and therefore have mozilla start up fast at any time, even if i hadn't used it for a while |
| 12:47.29 | shomon | okay the pci listing says Ethernet controller : 3com corporation tornado |
| 12:47.37 | OrionBerlin | resiak, my problem is just, i want to change the icons like trash and all but it dont work how its written on the page :( |
| 12:47.43 | resiak | CAiRO: Leave it running. |
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| 12:48.01 | OrionBerlin | resiak, im following http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#4 |
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| 12:49.22 | Putiikki | shomon: see this: http://www.scyld.com/vortex.html |
| 12:49.36 | resiak | OrionBerlin: The GNOME people have made it deliberately hard. Log onto irc.gnome.org and ask on #gnome there. |
| 12:49.37 | shomon | is there a way of finding out what network card I have? |
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| 12:49.56 | resiak | shomon: lspci, look for the entry referring to an ethernet card or similar. |
| 12:49.57 | shomon | if that's what's needed to get things going. |
| 12:49.59 | OrionBerlin | resiak, ok i will |
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| 12:50.06 | shomon | ok |
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| 12:50.47 | shomon | it only lists an ethernet controller, not a card. maybe it wouldnt;' be listed as it's on the motherboard |
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| 12:51.44 | resiak | shomon: Controller is right. |
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| 12:52.27 | shomon | ok. so that's a 3com tornado 3c905c-tx/tx-m |
| 12:52.36 | shomon | no idea what all those codes might be... |
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| 12:54.38 | Putiikki | shomon: try modprobe 3c905 and see what it says |
| 12:54.52 | shomon | ok |
| 12:55.13 | shomon | can't locate module |
| 12:55.18 | Putiikki | ok |
| 12:55.35 | dannyp | so I've got a couple hundred DV25 avis that I need to manage; indexing, thumbnails, etc. would all be useful. Are there any packages of note to make this a simpler task? |
| 12:55.35 | Kvant | shomon, try modprobe 3c59x |
| 12:55.37 | deadline | anyone here using xfce4 ? |
| 12:56.03 | shomon | 3c59x just gave a blank reply |
| 12:56.16 | Putiikki | and then ifconfig |
| 12:56.32 | Kvant | shomon, or ifconfig -a |
| 12:56.39 | shomon | it says local loopback is up. |
| 12:56.50 | resiak | dannyp: pornview? |
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| 12:57.20 | shomon | ah, now iwith -a it gave eth0! |
| 12:57.28 | shomon | but still no internet access...? |
| 12:57.31 | Putiikki | and then dhcp |
| 12:57.43 | Putiikki | or dhclient |
| 12:57.44 | Kvant | shomon, maybe dhclient eth0 |
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| 12:58.15 | shomon | oops, I don't have dhclient apparently... |
| 12:58.38 | asg | shomon: try pump then |
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| 12:58.57 | shomon | ah, pump is there, gave a blank reply |
| 12:59.03 | shomon | thanks |
| 12:59.04 | asg | shomon: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 12:59.33 | shomon | thanks!!! wow! that was great help! |
| 12:59.35 | shomon | now it's working. |
| 13:00.03 | shomon | so basically the new install forgot the module... (and the windowmanager... kde only loads an xterm with no window stuff) |
| 13:00.26 | resiak | shomon: What version of Debian are you running? |
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| 13:00.54 | shomon | it's actually mepis, but I could get no answer from the mepis channel... |
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| 13:01.39 | OrionBerlin | resiak, do you know where i can get 2.6.8-2 kernel-source? |
| 13:01.42 | streuner_ | Is it possible to use an 68 pin SCSI connection (HD) with an 50 pin SCSI HD at the same time? |
| 13:01.53 | resiak | OrionBerlin: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 13:02.15 | streuner_ | on different cables, of course... |
| 13:02.44 | superSSS | does a kernel 2.0 have IPv6 support? |
| 13:02.55 | scarynetworkguy | !msg dpkg nvidia-onliner |
| 13:02.57 | OrionBerlin | resiak, Hole:1 http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de testing/main kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-13 [34,9MB] its not 2.6.8-13 kernel source? |
| 13:02.58 | sussudio | OrionBerlin on #kanotix #debian |
| 13:02.58 | resiak | superSSS: Almost certainly not. Why are you using 2.0? |
| 13:03.04 | shomon | last question: will the configuring you've just helped me with stay permanent, or do I have to edit a file in /etc or somewhere? |
| 13:03.14 | streuner_ | superSSS: well, just grep the config, you'll see it then |
| 13:03.17 | sussudio | OrionBerlin: kanotix is not debian. |
| 13:03.24 | superSSS | superSSS: just asking |
| 13:03.24 | resiak | sussudio: You beat me to that :) |
| 13:03.30 | bob2 | superSSS: no |
| 13:03.34 | bob2 | use 2.6 |
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| 13:03.38 | OrionBerlin | sussudio, im using debian not kanotix im they for some other help ;) |
| 13:03.39 | streuner_ | heh, nobody use SCSI? :-) |
| 13:03.55 | OrionBerlin | sussudio, becouse they are german |
| 13:03.56 | sussudio | OrionBerlin: bollocks. |
| 13:04.00 | sussudio | !german |
| 13:04.01 | dpkg | it has been said that german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 13:04.01 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 13:04.21 | OrionBerlin | sussudio, ah cool thanks |
| 13:04.30 | resiak | OrionBerlin: That's certainly not a Debian mirror you're usign. |
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| 13:04.47 | OrionBerlin | resiak, its one ;) |
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| 13:05.29 | streuner_ | Can i use a 50 pin cable connected to a low-narrow HD at the same time connected LW HD (68pin)? |
| 13:05.39 | streuner_ | i guess no |
| 13:05.39 | resiak | OrionBerlin: Well, kernel-source-2.6.8-13 is certainly not a package on mine. |
| 13:05.45 | asg | streuner_: try it and see |
| 13:05.58 | streuner_ | asg: i need it to make that sure... |
| 13:06.00 | OrionBerlin | resiak, im using Debian Sarge |
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| 13:06.18 | streuner_ | asg: otherwise i don't buy me a new controller... |
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| 13:07.02 | streuner_ | asg: nah, that doesn't work, IIRC |
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| 13:07.21 | kbrooks | Hi. |
| 13:07.31 | resiak | OrionBerlin: If so, kernel-source-2.6.8 is the package you want. |
| 13:07.56 | dannyp | oh, pornview is a real package, eh? |
| 13:07.56 | OrionBerlin | resiak, okey |
| 13:08.34 | dannyp | let's see how it handles industrial strength videos :) |
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| 13:11.48 | tpr | seems that my mouse doesnt really work in X before killing gpm from console, where do I disable gpm from ever starting, or can it coexist with whatever X uses for the mouse? |
| 13:12.22 | resiak | dannyp: It's crap, to be honest, but I suggested it because it's funny |
| 13:13.03 | Putiikki | tpr: if you want disable gdm, just remove it :) |
| 13:13.23 | Putiikki | sorry, i read gdm, not gpm |
| 13:13.33 | tpr | hehe |
| 13:13.36 | Putiikki | :) |
| 13:14.39 | dannyp | resiak: well, is there anything better? |
| 13:14.45 | tpr | think ill just disable it, shouldnt be that hard. Also had another question; finally got rid of my win partition, I used fdisk to del it and create another linux partition, added it to fstab too, but I think i forgot to format it, or somtehing? :> |
| 13:14.58 | dannyp | I mean at this rate I'm not all that far away from setting up a table in mysql, banging out some php, and doing it myself |
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| 13:15.13 | simonrvn | tpr: yeh, just mkfs.* it |
| 13:15.45 | resiak | dannyp: I don't know. Try it. |
| 13:16.40 | tpr | simonrvn, heh that was easy, tu |
| 13:16.59 | kbrooks | tpr: mkfs -j (for ext3) or just mkfs (for ext2) |
| 13:17.44 | dannyp | well, it doesn't seem to want to make thumbnails for avis |
| 13:17.47 | tpr | yap got it, works like a charm :> |
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| 13:18.02 | dannyp | which seriously reduces its value to me |
| 13:18.04 | kbrooks | mkfs is teh frontend |
| 13:18.15 | dannyp | granted, thumbnails of movies aren't an easy task |
| 13:18.31 | dannyp | I'm planning on making animated gifs with various frames in it (a la archive.org) |
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| 13:19.11 | dannyp | I am seriously impressed with the amount of video work I've been doing with free software |
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| 13:20.30 | kbrooks | brb. |
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| 13:21.30 | kbrooks | ha ha |
| 13:21.43 | kbrooks | are you yasser arafat, arafat |
| 13:21.57 | kbrooks | are you him resurrected |
| 13:21.59 | kbrooks | ? |
| 13:22.00 | resiak | kbrooks: I think that the obvious answer is no. |
| 13:22.05 | valdyn | tpr: with gpm running you can use /dev/gpmdata for X |
| 13:22.49 | elirips | hello pepole. i am having some strange problems with my directories: it started when i tried to mount a smb-share. i got: 'Could not resolve mount point /home/elirips/archive.elirips'. if i do an ls /home/elirips/archive.elirips i get "not found". but if i go to the dir /home/elirips/ and do an 'ls' there, i see the directory archive.elirips. if i do an ls-l in my home-dir, it is *very* slow and on all dirs that would mount smbshares i |
| 13:22.49 | elirips | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.13 | tpr | valdyn, will read on that, thanks |
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| 13:26.11 | asg | elirips: sounds like the mount has gone stale (i.e. the server rebooted while you still had the share mounted.) |
| 13:26.30 | Baczek | hi all |
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| 13:26.37 | elirips | asg: no, the server is next to me, first i booted the server, then my laptop, then i tried to mount the dirs. |
| 13:26.46 | asg | elirips: hmmmmm |
| 13:27.05 | elirips | asg: i unounted all dirs, and now i remoted all shares. now it works |
| 13:27.06 | Baczek | does anyone have an idea why # iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -j REJECT doesn't drop packets? what to check? |
| 13:27.25 | elirips | asg: still wondering what caused that error... :? |
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| 13:27.42 | asg | elirips: anything interesting in /var/log/syslog? |
| 13:28.06 | tof | Hi, anyone knows a link explaining the DISPLAY variable? (specially the meaning of :0.0) |
| 13:28.18 | j_k | Baczek: maybe there's a rule allowing them in before the one you just added ? |
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| 13:28.32 | elirips | asg: going to read in that a little bit... maybe i find something.. |
| 13:28.46 | Baczek | j_k: could be, i'm using ipmasq... |
| 13:28.52 | asg | tof: man X (/DISPLAY <ENTER>n) |
| 13:29.04 | j_k | Baczek: can you dump an iptables -L to #flood ? |
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| 13:29.08 | tof | asg thanks! |
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| 13:29.37 | BjornW | can somebody tell me how I can make a dir by default writable for people in a certain group. I.e. how can I set the dir group and make sure that all that is created in the dir belongs to its group.. |
| 13:29.37 | Baczek | j_k: yup, here goes |
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| 13:30.10 | Baczek | j_k oops :) |
| 13:30.12 | asg | BjornW: set the sgid bit on the dir and use umask 007 or 002 when creating files and dirs |
| 13:30.14 | j_k | :-) |
| 13:30.31 | j_k | Baczek: try with small pieces |
| 13:30.36 | Baczek | k |
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| 13:31.13 | BjornW | asg: so sgid will set the correct group for the dir. But how can I use the dir with umasking all the time? |
| 13:31.44 | j_k | Baczek: you should s/-A/-I/ in your iptables command line |
| 13:31.45 | CyzarX | normally when ps aux , the result will contain pa aux itself, how to get rid of this? |
| 13:31.47 | asg | BjornW: well, 'chmod 2770 /dir ; chown user.group /dir' will. |
| 13:31.50 | inc|freaky | im going crazy i think i really accidently upgraded to sid ... can i only go back to sarge if I reinstall??? |
| 13:32.00 | asg | BjornW: set umask's in each user's shell dotfile(s) |
| 13:32.07 | asg | s/k's/ks/ |
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| 13:32.11 | valdyn | !dowgrade |
| 13:32.14 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 13:32.14 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or ... |
| 13:32.26 | BjornW | asg: thanks |
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| 13:32.45 | j_k | Baczek: iptables -I will insert the rule at the beginning of the list |
| 13:32.59 | inc|freaky | brb, ill reboot into the amd64 sarge ... need to get help on the nvidia driver again from dpkg ;) |
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| 13:33.10 | resiak | inc|freaky: How exactly does one accidentally move to Sid? |
| 13:33.18 | j_k | Baczek: did you create this rule manually ? |
| 13:33.33 | Baczek | j_k: only the last two |
| 13:33.43 | mlt | amule crashes with the error message "Gdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)". Any ideas? |
| 13:33.49 | Baczek | j_k: like I said, i did apt-get install ipmasq :) |
| 13:33.50 | asg | resiak: he was here yesterday complaining about the same thing |
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| 13:34.23 | j_k | Baczek: no other firewalling stuff lying around ? are you using iptables' init scripts ? |
| 13:34.51 | Gnurdux | im thinking: debina has all those absurd debians with other kenrels like hurd and kfreebsd, so why dotn they make a Debian GNU/Cygwin ? |
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| 13:34.59 | j_k | Baczek: it'd be surprising that ipmasq throw such a rule in... |
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| 13:35.07 | caphuso | Gnurdux: there used to be such a project |
| 13:35.14 | Gnurdux | realyl? |
| 13:35.18 | Baczek | j_k: doubt it |
| 13:35.20 | Gnurdux | what happened to it? |
| 13:35.31 | Baczek | j_k: this is almost a fresh install |
| 13:35.44 | caphuso | Gnurdux: google for "debian w32" |
| 13:35.52 | Gnurdux | is it like cygwin? |
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| 13:35.53 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 13:36.00 | Gnurdux | i might tyr it out |
| 13:36.01 | j_k | Baczek: what does 'grep autosave /etc/default/iptables' give ? |
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| 13:36.49 | CyzarX | normally when ps aux , the result will contain pa aux itself, how to get rid of this? |
| 13:36.51 | Baczek | j_k: No such file or directory :) |
| 13:37.07 | Baczek | j_k: don't know where all this came from |
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| 13:37.31 | potemkin | CyzarX: idiom is: ps aux | grep -v ps |
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| 13:38.12 | Baczek | j_k: ipmasq -d gives a LOT of output |
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| 13:39.00 | Gnurdux | umm... that isnt exactly what i had in mind |
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| 13:39.10 | holycow | heh |
| 13:39.16 | holycow | nautilus can ssh |
| 13:39.18 | holycow | weird |
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| 13:39.23 | inc|freaky | hi all. im currently running debian sarge, the amd64 version ... can some1 tell me what i have to ask dpkg for, if i want to install the nvidia driver? |
| 13:39.26 | inc|freaky | from sid? |
| 13:39.28 | Gnurdux | nautilus is awesame |
| 13:39.35 | Gnurdux | you mean apt-get |
| 13:39.44 | holycow | ctrl / l then do ssh://account@ip |
| 13:39.46 | asg | inc|freaky: try #debian-amd64 |
| 13:39.46 | Gnurdux | you dont want to use |
| 13:39.47 | holycow | no nauitilus |
| 13:39.48 | valdyn | inc|freaky: sarge amd64 exists? |
| 13:39.49 | Gnurdux | dpkg directly |
| 13:39.54 | Gnurdux | yeah |
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| 13:39.57 | Gnurdux | sarge and sid |
| 13:40.41 | holycow | what are you talking about? |
| 13:40.41 | CyzarX | potemkin, no it is not |
| 13:40.43 | inc|freaky | valdyn: yea ... |
| 13:40.44 | tzafrir | I have the "merry clock" problem again: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/02-2005/14212.html I'd appreciate any isight on this |
| 13:40.45 | BadMan | morning all! |
| 13:40.46 | holycow | i'm talking about sarge |
| 13:40.49 | YogiBot | http://ln-s.net/2hH (at mirror.hamakor.org.il) |
| 13:40.51 | holycow | ? |
| 13:40.52 | Gnurdux | sarge NAD sid |
| 13:40.56 | Gnurdux | not ONLY sid |
| 13:41.16 | Gnurdux | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 13:41.45 | inc|freaky | just look at the ftp archive of debia-amd64.alioth.debian.org in the installers directory |
| 13:41.50 | inc|freaky | there is one sarge netinstall and one sidinstall iso |
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| 13:41.59 | tzafrir | the clock of the system just plays funny games. This is definetly related to the recent sarge kernel |
| 13:42.02 | BadMan | is there a pkg that could help me rename a boat load of mp3 files changing uppercase to lower case, spaces to underscores etc.... |
| 13:42.09 | tzafrir | (was gone by downgraidng to 2.6.7) |
| 13:42.12 | asg | BadMan: man rename |
| 13:42.12 | caphuso | BadMan: man rename |
| 13:42.17 | BadMan | htx |
| 13:42.20 | holycow | *scroll* *scroll* |
| 13:42.22 | holycow | haha |
| 13:42.22 | BadMan | er thx |
| 13:42.25 | valdyn | doesnt exist? looks like a copy of sid |
| 13:42.32 | holycow | i need to stop drinkin' and irc'in |
| 13:42.33 | holycow | >_> |
| 13:42.36 | holycow | sorry my bad |
| 13:42.46 | inc|freaky | valdyn: then just choose sarge instead of sid in the sources.list ... thats how i did it |
| 13:43.01 | valdyn | inc|freaky: that does not make you get sarge packages though |
| 13:43.21 | valdyn | inc|freaky: youre getting sid packages as it looks, not 100% sure yet, but quite |
| 13:43.46 | valdyn | inc|freaky: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64/dists/sarge/Release |
| 13:43.48 | YogiBot | http://ln-s.net/2hI (at debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org) |
| 13:43.57 | Gnurdux | http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-amd64/ |
| 13:43.59 | elirips | OT question, maybe someone got a quick answer: what timezone is ET/PT? GMT +-???? |
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| 13:45.00 | valdyn | inc|freaky: ok im sure now, amd64 sarge points to sid, you never really amd debian amd64 sarge |
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| 13:45.32 | Baczek | or not :) |
| 13:45.35 | Baczek | that was 15 |
| 13:45.37 | inc|freaky | valdyn: awkay ... |
| 13:45.40 | Gnurdux | http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ |
| 13:45.45 | YogiBot | http://ln-s.net/2hJ (at debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org) |
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| 13:48.35 | iMeXdiAC | is there a way to break out of the automated bootup (boolevel increase) on startup as my X startup renders the screen black .. |
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| 13:49.10 | BjornW | asg: Could you please explain me something more? By default I want everything I write or some other user writes in the dir A to be part of group A and not the user's default group. |
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| 13:52.17 | darkcmd | Hi, I have sarge installed.. I installed with the netinstall, and installed the package set "Desktop Environment"... then I installed firefox, gaim and xchat... then I remembered my base system was old.. so I did "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade... then it updated like 6 packages... does that mean the rest of the packages on my system were up to date, or the most recent? |
| 13:52.41 | valdyn | darkcmd: no, try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:52.58 | darkcmd | so what dos apt-get upgrade do? |
| 13:53.03 | darkcmd | just updates the base system |
| 13:53.09 | valdyn | darkcmd: man apt-get |
| 13:53.13 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 13:53.16 | asg | BjornW: make dir A group ownable by group A ; chmod 2770 dir |
| 13:53.19 | fyrestrtr | So I'm installing Debian, and I selected apache2 packages, but I notice that its downloading apache1 packages in addition to apache2. Is this normal? |
| 13:53.42 | hmk | man his channel is super active |
| 13:54.17 | darkcmd | ok.. so dist-upgrade updates them all |
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| 13:54.52 | darkcmd | kitten:/home/zachm# apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:55.00 | darkcmd | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 13:55.05 | darkcmd | does that mean my system is up to date |
| 13:55.34 | valdyn | darkcmd: since you did run apt-get update not a long time ago, yes |
| 13:55.48 | darkcmd | I ran apt-get update.. this morning |
| 13:55.54 | darkcmd | I installed debian netinstall yesterday |
| 13:55.58 | BjornW | asg:thanks again |
| 13:55.58 | darkcmd | sarge |
| 13:56.03 | darkcmd | is that why everything is up to date |
| 13:56.22 | valdyn | darkcmd: yes, sarge doesnt move that fast |
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| 13:56.49 | darkcmd | ok.. so I did a netinstall yesterday.. it got the latest sources.. installed them.. so the installed netinstall software was the most recent |
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| 13:57.01 | darkcmd | and the base wasn't so that's why apt-get update, apt-get upgrade updated the base |
| 13:57.06 | darkcmd | right |
| 13:57.09 | valdyn | darkcmd: no |
| 13:57.15 | darkcmd | valdyn, why then? |
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| 13:58.52 | valdyn | darkcmd: the "limit" of apt-get update isnt "base" its that it cannot change status of a package ( cannot install or remove packages, _only_ install newer versions ) |
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| 13:59.28 | darkcmd | valdyn, when I did apt-get update.. it just updated the package list |
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| 13:59.30 | darkcmd | right |
| 13:59.48 | valdyn | darkcmd: ops, replace update with "upgrade" above |
| 13:59.59 | valdyn | darkcmd: yea |
| 14:00.20 | soften | apt-get upgrade installs packages if the newer verison of an upgraded package has additional dependencies |
| 14:00.27 | darkcmd | so update just installs newer versions of all software in the system? |
| 14:00.33 | njan | darkcmd, a netinstall downloads the packages from the web as you need them, so you have a current system as of whenever you installed it, so you shouldn't expect there to be a lot out of date a day later |
| 14:00.35 | soften | so to say it cannot might leave one with the wrong impression |
| 14:00.47 | valdyn | soften: no it doesnt |
| 14:00.53 | darkcmd | njan, no.. I'm glad.. I didn't want to have to do many updates |
| 14:01.07 | njan | darkcmd, if you'd done an install with packages off the CD, you'd have packages as of the time the CD was created (typically, quite sometime before you burnt the cds), and would therefore have lots of updates |
| 14:01.09 | darkcmd | after a netinstall.. the base system would need to be updated correct |
| 14:01.18 | soften | valdyn, no need to argue. think through what you're saying. |
| 14:01.42 | valdyn | soften: apt-get upgrade _cannot_ change status of _any_ package |
| 14:01.49 | darkcmd | so... dist-upgrade... i don't really understand the difference between dist-update and upgrade |
| 14:02.01 | valdyn | soften: that means it cannot install additional deps |
| 14:02.05 | darkcmd | I read the man.. sorry |
| 14:02.07 | njan | darkcmd, the netinstall updated the base system for you - did you watch it? It should have installed the most recent versions of all the packages you selected off the web |
| 14:02.26 | darkcmd | njan, so after it installed the base system.. it then again updated it for me |
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| 14:02.56 | njan | darkcmd, something like that. You're up to date, is the bottom line :p |
| 14:03.14 | darkcmd | ok.. I did get some updates today.. like apt.. and stuff |
| 14:03.34 | darkcmd | guys.. I must say.. when I used apt I was amazed |
| 14:03.37 | valdyn | darkcmd: thats because new packages got into sarge overnight |
| 14:03.41 | njan | darkcmd, it's quite possible that a few packages have been updated since yesterday. |
| 14:03.48 | darkcmd | I've never seen updates that seamless |
| 14:03.52 | njan | darkcmd, apt is extremely powerful. |
| 14:03.56 | darkcmd | man debian is awesome... |
| 14:04.01 | darkcmd | I'm glad I switched |
| 14:04.09 | njan | darkcmd, what were you using before debian? |
| 14:04.17 | darkcmd | Slackware |
| 14:04.22 | darkcmd | this is a breath of fresh air |
| 14:04.27 | njan | darkcmd, ah. Yeah, here in the real world we have proper package management :) |
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| 14:04.49 | darkcmd | i know.. I didn't think package management like that existed... I used rpm before |
| 14:04.58 | darkcmd | rpm.. is horrible IMO |
| 14:04.58 | njan | :) |
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| 14:05.02 | darkcmd | not trying to start a flame war |
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| 14:05.27 | BadMan | Im stil ahving troubles with chmod numbers to get the perms I want what would this one be? drwxrwxr-x |
| 14:05.29 | fyrestrtr | darkcmd: no one is going to argue with you on that one. Especially me. |
| 14:05.46 | fyrestrtr | BadMan: 776 if I read it correctly |
| 14:05.52 | dannyp | yeah, nobody will disagree with that |
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| 14:06.08 | darkcmd | I was sitting there thinking.. I need ircii... then I apt-getted it |
| 14:06.13 | darkcmd | apt-got |
| 14:06.15 | BadMan | ok 666 would be drw-rw-r-x ? |
| 14:06.16 | darkcmd | lol |
| 14:06.19 | darkcmd | hmm confusing |
| 14:06.41 | dannyp | for whatever reason, my love for apt has gone down over the years. I certainly remember it being the greatest thing since sliced bread when it was new |
| 14:06.41 | fyrestrtr | BadMan: that's 665 |
| 14:06.41 | darkcmd | guys.. now that I use debian.. what do you say when you use apt to get something.. whats the proper terminology |
| 14:06.54 | scarynetworkguy | darkcmd: man apt |
| 14:06.55 | darkcmd | dannyp, why is that? |
| 14:07.05 | fyrestrtr | drw-rw-rw- is 666 -- unless I can't cound. |
| 14:07.09 | fyrestrtr | ...or type. |
| 14:07.09 | PerfDave | darkcmd: "install" |
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| 14:07.19 | dannyp | darkcmd: I don't know. I've stopped using debian on my personal machines since then, and I'm guessing that has a lot to do with it (familiarity goes a long way) |
| 14:07.26 | fyrestrtr | darkcmd: apt-get ? |
| 14:07.51 | darkcmd | dannyp, what do you use? |
| 14:07.58 | priest | i'm trying to use a "mixed system", and i have added a testing-source in my sources.list, and added a default-release in apt.conf. when i try to run apt-get update, it fail and say "Dynamix MMap ran out of room" and a lot of more stuff.. someone who know what the problem is? |
| 14:08.19 | BadMan | 755 was what I was after to get drwxrwxr-x |
| 14:08.20 | dannyp | my personal machines run FreeBSD, but I co-administer a few Debian boxes |
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| 14:08.45 | bogon | BadMan: no, 775 |
| 14:08.47 | j_k | priest: you must enlarge the cache size in apt.conf |
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| 14:09.13 | dannyp | BadMan: it's a bitmask. read is 4, write is 2, execute is 1. rwxrwxr-x is 4+2+1 4+2+1 4+1 or 775 |
| 14:09.16 | j_k | priest: try 'man apt.conf' to learn how to do that, i think it's documented there |
| 14:09.24 | priest | j_k: thanks. |
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| 14:09.57 | fyrestrtr | what's +l 800 do? |
| 14:10.12 | dannyp | fyrestrtr: limits the channel to 800 people |
| 14:10.23 | PerfDave | !mmap |
| 14:10.24 | dpkg | it has been said that dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 14:10.35 | fyrestrtr | why would you want to do that? (unless you want to protect against join/part spammers) |
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| 14:11.01 | Phated | Joinflood, mostly. |
| 14:11.44 | dannyp | there's quite nothing like answering your own question in a parenthetical remark |
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| 14:12.04 | dannyp | many IRC channels use bots to constantly bump the number up as the channel usage grows |
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| 14:12.19 | dannyp | that way it puts an effective cap on the number of people that can quickly join |
| 14:12.34 | fyrestrtr | Well I'm a long time IRC user, but never bothered with op-ing |
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| 14:12.46 | fyrestrtr | So all the modes are still strange to me. |
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| 14:13.44 | dannyp | when I was much, much younger (7-8 years ago) I was an op on a channel in #efnet that was often targetted for attacks |
| 14:13.56 | dannyp | err |
| 14:13.58 | dannyp | channel on efnet |
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| 14:14.57 | fyrestrtr | I hate waiting for downloads :| |
| 14:14.59 | dannyp | imho, the growth of efnet around that time combined with new and popular exploits and no shortage of script kiddies to use them, really spelled the end for all general purpose IRC networks |
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| 14:15.30 | cvxb | hey google www.otomotivshow.com :) |
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| 14:15.59 | fyrestrtr | someone needs to kline cvxb |
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| 14:20.49 | darkcmd | hmm debian uses /media ? |
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| 14:22.45 | valentinos | this one looks ok ? |
| 14:22.48 | valentinos | X :1 -quiet -query 192.168.16.1 2>/dev/null && |
| 14:22.48 | valentinos | X :2 -quiet -query 192.168.16.99 2>/dev/null |
| 14:24.22 | simonrvn | !ops cvxb!av@85.97.94.33 is a spammer (gone now, they keep coming back however) |
| 14:24.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: cvxb!av@85.97.94.33 is a spammer (gone now, they keep coming back however) |
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| 14:34.37 | FieldySnuts | must be a dalnet user. |
| 14:34.46 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 14:35.13 | simonrvn | sussudio: 3 pence |
| 14:35.41 | zbrown | simonrvn: only 2 pence if you buy the squirrel as well. |
| 14:35.53 | simonrvn | oh neat. what a deal! |
| 14:36.03 | sussudio | i saw an awesome program on tv... "So you think you're safe in the garden"... it had exploding compostheaps and some dumbass who went out in the night and said "Hey there boy" to a badger... the badger ripped the flesh off his arm |
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| 14:36.32 | simonrvn | duh |
| 14:36.35 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 14:36.39 | gilles | hi |
| 14:36.41 | gilles | How to find and close a process that bugs ? |
| 14:36.45 | FieldySnuts | sussudio would love it |
| 14:36.48 | FieldySnuts | "bugs"? |
| 14:37.35 | sussudio | !bugger process |
| 14:37.39 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:37.41 | BadMan | bah I cant get tar to unzip a zip archive traferred froma winders comp... |
| 14:37.52 | FieldySnuts | tar doesn't deal with those, use zip or unzip |
| 14:37.57 | sussudio | BadMan: yes... |
| 14:37.59 | BadMan | ok |
| 14:38.04 | FieldySnuts | tar --with-badgers |
| 14:39.02 | asg | FieldySnuts: tar --and-feather |
| 14:39.11 | BadMan | of course unzip is not isntalled booo |
| 14:39.13 | simonrvn | "... --with-badgers options auto-detects luser level..." ; man tar.1luser |
| 14:39.13 | FieldySnuts | nice |
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| 14:39.21 | FieldySnuts | pry not, i think zip/unzip are not free |
| 14:39.25 | FieldySnuts | maybe i'm wrong. |
| 14:39.41 | Belping-- | can anyone help me change the port for vsftpd? |
| 14:39.54 | simonrvn | RTFM, frankly |
| 14:39.55 | anhi | just edit the config... |
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| 14:40.18 | darkcmd | hmm.. unzip/zip are not available in debian? |
| 14:40.18 | asg | Belping--: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116451 |
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| 14:40.24 | asg | Belping--: google is a wonderful thing |
| 14:40.41 | BadMan | unzip was listed in my cache search |
| 14:40.41 | simonrvn | if you can't edit a conf file, then you shouldn't be running public daemons in the first place |
| 14:40.47 | BadMan | so its doing now |
| 14:41.27 | FieldySnuts | PCI Express support (PCIEPORTBUS) [N/y/?] (NEW) |
| 14:41.28 | asg | simonrvn: just set it at a rakish angle |
| 14:41.29 | FieldySnuts | damn those devs are fast. |
| 14:41.44 | simonrvn | asg: hahaha |
| 14:42.25 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: be prepared for tonnes of bugs though ;) |
| 14:42.50 | FieldySnuts | i don't have it, no worries |
| 14:43.01 | sussudio | in soviet russia, pci bus reports you |
| 14:43.15 | simonrvn | asg: *me checks* it already is ;) |
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| 14:43.56 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
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| 14:44.50 | Belping-- | asg, thanks |
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| 14:45.45 | darkcmd | man that was awesome.. apt-get install unzip |
| 14:45.47 | darkcmd | :) |
| 14:46.01 | Rydekull | unzip girlfriend |
| 14:46.34 | Belping-- | lol |
| 14:47.18 | BadMan | yeap unzip in and done and files extracted pretty damn simple hehe |
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| 14:48.02 | dannyp | why someone would IRC via emacs is beyond me |
| 14:48.09 | dannyp | hell, why anyone would emacs at all is beyond me |
| 14:48.29 | simonrvn | !start an editor war |
| 14:48.29 | dpkg | zile is known to cause birth defects |
| 14:48.34 | dannyp | I took a class once where we were strongly encouraged to use emacs, and that was really enough of an experience for me |
| 14:48.39 | Panzerboy | any idea if there are some kde 3.4 packages for sid? |
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| 14:48.48 | simonrvn | no there aren't |
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| 14:49.17 | eric | ++ all |
| 14:49.31 | asg | Panzerboy: #debian-kde would know |
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| 14:49.47 | dannyp | now emacs did have syntax checking for the language we were using, which was nice, considering it was a niche language |
| 14:49.48 | Panzerboy | asg: yeah, everybody's quiet there :) |
| 14:49.49 | tzafrir | dannyp, you should know that there is even an irc plugin for vim, just in case you missed it |
| 14:50.30 | Hacaro | is there way of leaving a process running in backgroung when the user log outs from the Xserver (refering to a graphical app) |
| 14:50.43 | paulswm | Hacaro: nohup |
| 14:50.46 | tzafrir | nohup ? |
| 14:50.47 | Hacaro | in the shell I could use the screen |
| 14:51.00 | dannyp | do you want to be able to reattach it later? |
| 14:51.08 | dannyp | screen should still work. reattaching, OTOH, will not |
| 14:51.18 | Hacaro | but when the user log out the app is killed cos it lost it's connection to x server |
| 14:51.33 | drac | FATAL: Error inserting snd_opti93x (/lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/opti9xx/snd-opti93x.ko): No such device. This is like.. only ISA card I have on whole machine, ISA PnP, is there some /proc, or such to see some specifics about it? |
| 14:51.37 | Hacaro | yep that exactaly that dannyp |
| 14:51.44 | tzafrir | Hacaro, vnc, maybe also NX. But vnc is a lousy X server |
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| 14:52.09 | tzafrir | (Xvnc, I mean) |
| 14:52.26 | dannyp | my honest opinion is that there's probably some better way of doing what you want |
| 14:52.36 | dannyp | that doesn't involve having to do what you're describing (which would be difficult, to say the least) |
| 14:53.27 | tzafrir | OK, I'd really appreciate any fresh thoughts on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298301 (hint: we alreadey tried removing ntpd, cron and the gang) |
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| 14:54.04 | tzafrir | We simply have a system where the system clock goes bananas |
| 14:54.23 | Farhan | i'm going to install debian... |
| 14:54.45 | Panzerboy | Farhan: good for you |
| 14:54.48 | Farhan | lol |
| 14:54.54 | resiak | !lol |
| 14:54.54 | dpkg | i heard lol is Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
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| 14:55.12 | Farhan | wow, i've never thought of it like that. |
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| 14:55.39 | Panzerboy | hmm |
| 14:55.48 | drac | lol is also lack of lameness :) |
| 14:55.53 | Farhan | hmm |
| 14:55.55 | Panzerboy | why the hell is kdenetwork depending on xmms? |
| 14:56.03 | darkcmd | if I do apt-get install packaghere... |
| 14:56.11 | Farhan | well if i can install slackware i can install debian |
| 14:56.16 | darkcmd | and its already installed, and there is a newer version.. will it update it |
| 14:56.22 | Hacaro | thanks for the help gonna check out Xvnc and gonna see I find out more... |
| 14:56.44 | Farhan | should you do apt-get xmms to get the new version? |
| 14:56.50 | Farhan | wouldn't that work? |
| 14:56.50 | Panzerboy | kopete depends on xmms |
| 14:56.56 | Panzerboy | why the hell??? |
| 14:57.05 | darkcmd | Panzerboy, what distro? |
| 14:57.07 | Panzerboy | sid |
| 14:57.10 | Panzerboy | debian :) |
| 14:57.13 | pappy- | ///c |
| 14:57.23 | darkcmd | hmm that is wierd.. kopete shouldn't need xmms |
| 14:57.27 | Panzerboy | that's silly |
| 14:57.32 | Panzerboy | well, it DOES |
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| 14:57.43 | darkcmd | Panzerboy, how can I check the deps for kopete? |
| 14:57.50 | resiak | darkcmd: apt-cache show kopete |
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| 14:57.57 | KernelPanique | Panzerboy: ola, im supergrrl:) |
| 14:58.03 | Panzerboy | darkcmd: i just did a apt-get install kopete |
| 14:58.06 | darkcmd | thanks.. should have read |
| 14:58.07 | Panzerboy | KernelPanique: :-) |
| 14:58.16 | Panzerboy | KernelPanique: ola to u too :) |
| 14:58.17 | gradzac | anyone using the apache2 package with mod_python? |
| 14:58.32 | asg | !anyone |
| 14:58.32 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 14:58.44 | darkcmd | what the heck it depends on xmms.. in sarge |
| 14:58.48 | paulswm | darkcmd: you can also do apt-get -s install <package> and see what would happen |
| 14:59.19 | darkcmd | how does kopete need xmms.. makes no sence |
| 14:59.19 | Panzerboy | darkcmd: as i told you, in sid also |
| 14:59.31 | Panzerboy | oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:59.34 | Panzerboy | i know why |
| 14:59.40 | Farhan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.41 | Panzerboy | kopete has this silly plugin |
| 14:59.46 | Farhan | ooah |
| 14:59.49 | Farhan | i get it |
| 14:59.50 | Panzerboy | that shows what you're playing |
| 14:59.54 | Farhan | you can control your ..oh |
| 14:59.54 | Panzerboy | like ym |
| 14:59.57 | Panzerboy | nope |
| 15:00.07 | Panzerboy | it shows what song are u playinn |
| 15:00.11 | Panzerboy | playin |
| 15:00.17 | Panzerboy | in xmms, ofc |
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| 15:00.23 | asg | !tell Panzerboy about enter |
| 15:00.26 | Gumby | Any LVM users in here? |
| 15:00.29 | Gumby | I have just added a hard drive to my pc. I have done pvcreate /dev/hdd, then done vgextend vol_group /dev/hdd. From what I can read on the tldp howto, it says I should to a lvextend but it only shows how to increase by either +GB or totalGB. Did I miss something or can I just add a whole drive to this instead of specifying a size? |
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| 15:00.36 | Farhan | you can make xmms about mp3s? cause i heard you can do that. |
| 15:00.40 | Panzerboy | asg: :) |
| 15:00.41 | Farhan | play |
| 15:00.50 | Farhan | you couldn't make xmms play mp3s anymore |
| 15:00.55 | Farhan | or something of that stuff |
| 15:01.00 | darkcmd | Panzerboy, ok.. say you go to install kopete, but you already have xmms.. apt-get will just ignore it? |
| 15:01.21 | tzafrir | Gumby, you can use other usints, e.g: MB |
| 15:01.21 | Panzerboy | darkcmd: yes, if you already have that version it wants |
| 15:01.35 | darkcmd | Panzerboy, if there is a newer.. it'll update it right? |
| 15:01.37 | Farhan | with debian you can install .tgz packages beesides apt-get? |
| 15:01.44 | Gumby | tzafrir: but you cant just add a whole device and have it add the size for you? |
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| 15:01.51 | darkcmd | Farhan, why would you want to? |
| 15:01.53 | Panzerboy | darkcmd: i think so |
| 15:01.55 | Farhan | oh true |
| 15:02.05 | Panzerboy | hmm |
| 15:02.08 | darkcmd | Farhan, debian has great package management |
| 15:02.10 | Farhan | i need to have the windows drivers of my wireless card |
| 15:02.13 | Farhan | n lnux |
| 15:02.17 | Farhan | linux |
| 15:02.18 | Panzerboy | how can i see all the files belonging to a package? |
| 15:02.22 | Farhan | or will debian detect it |
| 15:02.27 | Panzerboy | after i've installed it |
| 15:02.30 | tzafrir | Gumby, add to what partition? lvextend increases the size of a logical partition. If you want to add a physical partition you just add it |
| 15:02.31 | Farhan | its a belkin 54 g |
| 15:02.32 | asg | Panzerboy: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 15:03.00 | Gumby | tzafrir: ok, I have done that. But doesnt something need to be run to initialize it? |
| 15:03.06 | Panzerboy | asg: right, thanks |
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| 15:03.36 | mattboll | i want to create a new ext2 partition on a harddrive but print doesn't show me any free partition is it normal ? |
| 15:03.37 | darkcmd | Farhan, did you use ndiswrapper on it before? |
| 15:03.48 | darkcmd | P8ntKid, dude are you the same P8ntKid from DPB? |
| 15:03.52 | mattboll | (with parted) |
| 15:03.53 | tzafrir | Gumby, just change the partition type. |
| 15:03.54 | Farhan | no i haven't even installed debian yet |
| 15:03.55 | paulswm | Farhan: If you need the windows drivers, that probably means that you are using ndiswrapper in which case you'll have to use ndiswrapper to install the drivers |
| 15:03.56 | Farhan | lol |
| 15:04.00 | Farhan | true |
| 15:04.02 | P8ntKid | yes |
| 15:04.05 | Farhan | theres drivers for linux though |
| 15:04.10 | P8ntKid | darkcmd: yea i am |
| 15:04.10 | Farhan | on the belkin website |
| 15:04.13 | darkcmd | P8ntKid, I'm darkcmd from there :) |
| 15:04.17 | P8ntKid | i know |
| 15:04.19 | darkcmd | P8ntKid, lol small world |
| 15:04.23 | Panzerboy | what is DPB ? |
| 15:04.25 | P8ntKid | ya |
| 15:04.27 | Gumby | tzafrir: ??? its already the same type. change it to what? |
| 15:04.35 | P8ntKid | www.digitalpaintball.net |
| 15:04.39 | Panzerboy | oh |
| 15:04.47 | tzafrir | LVM type, IIRC (8E?) |
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| 15:04.52 | darkcmd | P8ntKid, do you use Sid? |
| 15:04.54 | mattboll | ps : on this hD i've got a freebsd slice only |
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| 15:05.02 | P8ntKid | darkcmd: no |
| 15:05.08 | Farhan | lol i'm going to burn debian. hahha |
| 15:05.08 | darkcmd | P8ntKid, sarge? |
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| 15:05.13 | P8ntKid | right now im trying to get debian to run on my server |
| 15:05.13 | Farhan | holdon |
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| 15:05.29 | darkcmd | P8ntKid, do you need some help? |
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| 15:05.38 | P8ntKid | well |
| 15:05.41 | P8ntKid | not really |
| 15:05.42 | ali7281 | hey, i am trying to install steam on my debian box but it runs into an error when trying to update steam |
| 15:05.43 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:05.44 | P8ntKid | i know how to install it |
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| 15:05.49 | P8ntKid | its just taht my server is fucked up |
| 15:05.59 | darkcmd | ali7281, that's either a wine, or cedega, or winex problem |
| 15:06.02 | darkcmd | most likely |
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| 15:06.11 | ali7281 | i am using wine |
| 15:06.20 | Farhan | ok |
| 15:06.20 | Ocean | ./server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:06.21 | ali7281 | is there a diff between wine and cedega or winex? |
| 15:06.25 | ali7281 | and which do you recommend |
| 15:06.32 | Ocean | try this |
| 15:06.39 | asg | Ocean: no |
| 15:06.41 | paulswm | Ocean: Fuck off |
| 15:06.44 | darkcmd | ali7281, yeah cedega and winex are forks of wine that are meant to run games.. if you get latest cedega... Steam will work |
| 15:06.46 | Panzerboy | Ocean: go away |
| 15:06.48 | Farhan | if i boot with a speacial curnell and install with that curnnel with i do a dist-upgrade with it upgrade my cruennel to a diffeent one? |
| 15:06.54 | Farhan | will |
| 15:07.05 | Farhan | i have a special cournnell for the blind |
| 15:07.09 | nagual | ./server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:07.10 | nagual | hm |
| 15:07.12 | Farhan | and i don't want it to be changed |
| 15:07.14 | nagual | but ocean, nothing happens |
| 15:07.18 | darkcmd | Ocean, please don't spam |
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| 15:07.18 | asg | that has to be the greatest misspelling of kernel I've ever seen |
| 15:07.23 | Farhan | loool shutup |
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| 15:07.30 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 15:07.32 | Farhan | ah crap |
| 15:07.41 | Farhan | i just cut myself on my computer |
| 15:07.44 | Farhan | arrg |
| 15:07.48 | Farhan | stupid open case |
| 15:07.58 | Farhan | its all plastic and bad4u |
| 15:08.02 | Farhan | and ouch |
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| 15:08.03 | paulswm | I like "cruennel", that's actually pretty good |
| 15:08.06 | Farhan | lol |
| 15:08.06 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:08.08 | Farhan | no seriously |
| 15:08.13 | Ocean | #kampung |
| 15:08.14 | asg | Ocean: go away, |
| 15:08.24 | darkcmd | Ocean, dude.. shut up and quit.. stop your spamming.. bastard |
| 15:08.25 | nagual | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:08.30 | Ocean | come with me |
| 15:08.33 | nagual | but ocean, nothing hapens when i type that |
| 15:08.34 | nagual | :( |
| 15:08.35 | Farhan | if i iinstall a special currrnell and upgrade it will |
| 15:08.40 | Farhan | will it not change? |
| 15:08.46 | nagual | Ocean: i really like you, i really want to come with you |
| 15:08.48 | Farhan | or will it just look for the latest currnell |
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| 15:08.53 | Farhan | of that vertsion |
| 15:08.55 | Farhan | version |
| 15:08.58 | darkcmd | Ocean can't catch a clue |
| 15:09.03 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:09.07 | Ocean | come with me |
| 15:09.16 | asg | Ocean: /j #shell |
| 15:09.25 | darkcmd | Ocean, yeah #shell is awesome |
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| 15:09.53 | Ocean | ahaks |
| 15:10.05 | Farhan | how about you shut up. get a life. go to the plastic box and then change in to a happy little weed smokin pipe cleaner |
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| 15:10.17 | Ocean | we want invite you all come chat my server |
| 15:10.18 | darkcmd | man I rean apt-cache search kernel.. and I get way too much stuff |
| 15:10.21 | nagual | Ocean: it says 'connection denied' :( |
| 15:10.23 | darkcmd | Ocean, we don't want to |
| 15:10.23 | Ocean | can or not |
| 15:10.34 | Farhan | now to burn debian isos |
| 15:10.36 | Farhan | sarech |
| 15:10.39 | Ocean | come with me |
| 15:10.39 | Farhan | sarch |
| 15:10.42 | Farhan | loll |
| 15:10.47 | asg | !ops Ocean troll advertising |
| 15:10.48 | Farhan | how about no. go away and die... |
| 15:10.49 | darkcmd | Ocean, most people do not like people spamming IRC channels for ircnetworks |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Ocean troll advertising |
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| 15:10.57 | Farhan | hahahhha |
| 15:11.03 | Farhan | stupid stupid. that it was |
| 15:11.13 | Farhan | brb |
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| 15:11.16 | Ocean | ahaks |
| 15:11.18 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:11.29 | darkcmd | Ocean, go server your ethernet cord |
| 15:11.32 | darkcmd | sever |
| 15:11.33 | darkcmd | i mean |
| 15:11.42 | Ocean | or --------> server damserver.com |
| 15:11.48 | Ocean | or --------> /server damserver.com |
| 15:11.59 | paulswm | Ocean: get lost, la |
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| 15:12.02 | Ocean | this poxxy 6667 |
| 15:12.12 | darkcmd | can I please go report them to ircops guys? |
| 15:12.19 | DimmuR | Hi I've installed The Xorg X server [DRI trunk] on 2.6.10 kernel and ati radeon 9100 drivers (from dri.sf.net). When I lunch 2.4.24 kernel all is ok and i have direct rendering but hwen i run 2.6.10 i get errors like "(EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI." Is there any way to run Direct rendering in radeon on 2.6.10 ? |
| 15:12.24 | darkcmd | because there are no ops to stop him.. it looks like |
| 15:12.26 | paulswm | poxy is right |
| 15:12.30 | takatumi | darkcmd: please do. |
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| 15:12.50 | asg | 10:15 Ignoring ALL from Ocean |
| 15:12.50 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:12.51 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:12.52 | *** kick/#debian [Ocean!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
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| 15:13.11 | Ocean | ahaks |
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| 15:13.15 | Ocean | kick me |
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| 15:13.55 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:14.05 | scarynetworkguy | !ops Ocean is spamming. |
| 15:14.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Ocean is spamming. |
| 15:14.06 | FieldySnuts | @ops Ocean is spamming |
| 15:14.07 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 15:14.13 | takatumi | DimmuR: self compiled .10? |
| 15:14.22 | Ocean | ha ha |
| 15:14.22 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: spammer for you (Ocean) |
| 15:14.24 | DimmuR | takatumi: yes |
| 15:14.25 | Ocean | not so bad |
| 15:14.29 | paulswm | Ocean is using an IP from Telekom Malaysia Berhad if anyone wants to complain to them |
| 15:14.40 | FieldySnuts | complaining to .my isps is a waste of time |
| 15:14.54 | FieldySnuts | best practice is to just keep them off your networks. |
| 15:15.00 | darkcmd | Ocean, if you continue things like this, you may find your ISP service discontinued |
| 15:15.02 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: I know but it made me feel better :) |
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| 15:15.11 | Ocean | so |
| 15:15.27 | darkcmd | Ocean, we don't appreciate your spam, for your crappy ass irc network |
| 15:15.30 | FieldySnuts | but it's sunday, we all know few if any ops or opers are around to deal with this. |
| 15:15.30 | darkcmd | ok.. we asked nice |
| 15:15.37 | darkcmd | Ocean, now stfu |
| 15:16.01 | kleper | how can i create an user the your name is pere.pedro on linux? |
| 15:16.12 | pw | !britsmite ocean |
| 15:16.20 | takatumi | DimmuR: I get DRI with xorg with this config http://gpoppy.org/config-2.6.10, see whats different with yours. |
| 15:16.24 | paulswm | And mushy peas |
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| 15:16.31 | pw | Mmmmmmushy peas. |
| 15:16.40 | paulswm | :D |
| 15:16.45 | Ocean | come with me go to my server |
| 15:16.50 | darkcmd | if I want kernel 2.6.. via apt.. and I have a p4 with HT... |
| 15:16.57 | darkcmd | do I want to apt-get this? kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 15:16.59 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org /server irc.kampungchat.org |
| 15:17.07 | pw | !confuse ocean |
| 15:17.08 | dpkg | Yes, where was my badger yesterday, ocean? shirts of the republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 15:17.11 | takatumi | DimmuR: not 9100 but an IGP340, should be similar |
| 15:17.12 | Ocean | do you want ircop join myserver |
| 15:17.13 | ali7281 | does anyone have steam running under wine? |
| 15:17.16 | nagual | darkcmd: its old :) |
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| 15:17.20 | Ocean | do you want ircop join my server |
| 15:17.26 | darkcmd | nagual, will it support HT? |
| 15:17.33 | Ocean | plz.. |
| 15:17.42 | darkcmd | Ocean, no.. |
| 15:17.42 | Ocean | support my server |
| 15:17.42 | nagual | as far as i know all smp kernels support ht |
| 15:17.46 | Ocean | why |
| 15:17.47 | paulswm | I guess the best thing is to put the Malay twit on ignore |
| 15:17.47 | Panzerboy | Ocean: you're pathetic |
| 15:17.55 | darkcmd | so apt-get install |
| 15:18.02 | darkcmd | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 15:18.11 | darkcmd | that will give me a working 2.6 kernel.. with HT? |
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| 15:18.27 | Panzerboy | darkcmd: yeah, it should :) |
| 15:18.29 | asg | darkcmd: yes, though HT doesn't really give you much and can actually degrade performance |
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| 15:18.42 | darkcmd | so.. would you recommend against it? |
| 15:18.53 | Ocean | ew |
| 15:18.57 | asg | darkcmd: I'd recommend you try both smp and up kernels and decide for yourself. |
| 15:19.02 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:19.06 | nvz | Ocean: don't do that here, go away. |
| 15:19.17 | asg | nvz: it's been told and the ops are away |
| 15:19.19 | Ocean | why |
| 15:19.26 | asg | nvz: just ignore it |
| 15:19.27 | Panzerboy | just ignore him |
| 15:19.37 | Panzerboy | he'll go away eventually |
| 15:19.47 | DimmuR | takatumi: all options in agp u have compiled in - i have as module which are loaded (agpgart before radeon) and it doesn't work for me |
| 15:19.47 | Ocean | babi |
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| 15:20.07 | darkcmd | alindeman knows about this.. and IMO he's breaking more than channel rules |
| 15:20.17 | darkcmd | well I messaged alindeman |
| 15:20.27 | FieldySnuts | it's sunday, good luck |
| 15:20.29 | Panzerboy | well, he's away |
| 15:20.33 | Panzerboy | :) |
| 15:20.40 | Panzerboy | maybe he has a life :) |
| 15:20.44 | FieldySnuts | wish we had some ops/opers that were around on sunday, this happens every sunday |
| 15:20.50 | takatumi | DimmuR: *shrug* |
| 15:20.50 | nvz | heh |
| 15:20.53 | darkcmd | whoa that was awesome.. i installed the kernel with apt.. and it updated grub |
| 15:20.58 | Panzerboy | besides irc and computers |
| 15:20.59 | darkcmd | i didn't know it would do that |
| 15:21.00 | Panzerboy | :) |
| 15:21.11 | daxxar | I'm coding a script in php that uses https w/ libcurl, but when I run my script on the debian-machine, I get this error: |
| 15:21.13 | Panzerboy | darkcmd: welcome to debian :) |
| 15:21.14 | daxxar | libcurl was built with SSL disabled, https: not supported! |
| 15:21.18 | nvz | I could try, but I know chanserv would say no.. hehe |
| 15:21.21 | daxxar | How can I get libcurl with ssl-support? o_0 |
| 15:21.28 | asg | daxxar: libcurl-ssl |
| 15:21.31 | darkcmd | debian has blown my mind |
| 15:21.46 | Panzerboy | darkcmd: mine too :) |
| 15:21.53 | asg | daxxar: or libcurl3 |
| 15:21.55 | Panzerboy | i used ubuntu for a while |
| 15:22.01 | cahoot | darkcmd: look at /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 15:22.03 | Ocean | try this------> /server irc.kampungchat.org |
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| 15:22.06 | Panzerboy | but now it's time to go for the real thing :) |
| 15:22.08 | Ocean | NiceCrazyGuy |
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| 15:22.10 | Ocean | NiceCrazyGuy |
| 15:22.11 | takatumi | RichiH: ping |
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| 15:22.16 | FieldySnuts | FUCK get rid of him already |
| 15:22.17 | FieldySnuts | thank GOD |
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| 15:22.21 | darkcmd | cahoot, ok |
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| 15:22.31 | AciD | oi |
| 15:22.34 | FieldySnuts | oi |
| 15:22.37 | Panzerboy | caphuso: thanks! :) |
| 15:22.37 | daxxar | asg, I'm running testing. E: Couldn't find package libcurl-ssl, libcurl3 is already the newest version. |
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| 15:22.43 | Panzerboy | oi AciD |
| 15:22.57 | darkcmd | cahoot, what does that mean? whats inside of it... is that the thing that does the auto grub update |
| 15:23.21 | asg | daxxar: well, libcurl3 supports it in sarge, at least according to the Description of the package |
| 15:23.31 | darkcmd | ok.. how can I set it up.. so my boxes gateway is always the game at boot? |
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| 15:24.02 | asg | daxxar: check the package readme in /usr/share/doc/libcurl3 to see if there is anthing you need to do extra. Also, check the package changelog to see if something changed. |
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| 15:24.39 | daxxar | asg, okay. |
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| 15:24.59 | daxxar | asg, hm, also, php4-curl depends on libssl, so it obviously needs ssl to work.. |
| 15:25.19 | asg | daxxar: yeah, it might be a bug in testing unless the README and changelog say otherwise. |
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| 15:28.18 | daxxar | asg, README seems to be the default libcurl readme, and the changelog and changelog.Debian does not mention it. |
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| 15:28.52 | darkcmd | whoa that was amazing |
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| 15:29.08 | darkcmd | I'm at a friends house.. I sshed into my box.. apted a kernel... rebooted.. then sshed back in |
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| 15:29.29 | FieldySnuts | brave |
| 15:29.34 | darkcmd | lol |
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| 15:29.43 | FieldySnuts | classifies as "stupid" if you're more than an hour away :P |
| 15:29.45 | darkcmd | i figured that the kernel would have to work... the default in sarge did |
| 15:29.52 | darkcmd | FieldySnuts, I'm next door |
| 15:29.55 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 15:30.11 | darkcmd | if something happened.. I could run over |
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| 15:30.15 | darkcmd | and... fix it |
| 15:30.16 | asg | FieldySnuts: at least he wasn't several thousand miles away |
| 15:30.19 | FieldySnuts | last dumb thing I did was allow a friend to show me that yes, a fork bomb really can take down an SMP system. I was 50 miles away. |
| 15:30.29 | FieldySnuts | last I saw was a load of 170 |
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| 15:30.45 | daxxar | ;p |
| 15:31.00 | FieldySnuts | I should let him try that again on a grsec kernel, just curious |
| 15:31.15 | darkcmd | I don't need to install alsa modules with the apted 2.6 kernel do I? |
| 15:31.20 | darkcmd | since it's built into the kernel |
| 15:31.22 | daxxar | http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libcurl3 |
| 15:31.25 | daxxar | "Multi-protocol file transfer library, now with SSL support!" |
| 15:31.26 | daxxar | :o |
| 15:31.31 | FieldySnuts | early on someone also showed me the power of yes & yes & yes & yes & yes .... |
| 15:31.35 | FieldySnuts | not funny |
| 15:31.36 | K| | someone knows what is necessary to type "info:foo" into konqueror's bar and see foo's info page? |
| 15:31.53 | FieldySnuts | easy to kill off though, unlike a forkbomb |
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| 15:32.28 | darkcmd | FieldySnuts, hmm do I set the default runlevel to 3.. to disable gdm from running by default |
| 15:32.43 | asg | darkcmd: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 15:32.46 | nvz | darkcmd: that doesnt work |
| 15:32.48 | FieldySnuts | darkcmd: don't know, i don't use a dm |
| 15:32.51 | Slackman | hey guys, anyone know how to set up a second display ? |
| 15:33.00 | darkcmd | nvz, what do I do? |
| 15:33.04 | darkcmd | oh |
| 15:33.05 | nvz | darkcmd: in debian by default all runlevels are the same |
| 15:33.42 | daxxar | Anyone running testing that could test using curl with an https-url? |
| 15:33.56 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:33.58 | nvz | darkcmd: it works something like this, the scripts that start/stop services are in /etc/init.d/ and there are links placed to start/stop them in the runlevel folder like /etc/rc2.d/ f.e. is runlevel 2 |
| 15:34.11 | darkcmd | I'm used to bsd style init |
| 15:34.11 | nvz | darkcmd: if you want them to serve a specific purpose you must configure them |
| 15:34.13 | darkcmd | i.e. rc.d |
| 15:34.25 | nvz | darkcmd: the default runlevel is configured in /etc/inittab |
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| 15:35.30 | darkcmd | nvz, but it wouldn't matter would it |
| 15:35.34 | darkcmd | since they are all the same by default |
| 15:35.49 | paulswm | K|: You can get it all with apt-get install info2www, then it's http://localhost/cgi-bin/info2www (apache will prolly be installed unless you already are running an httpd) |
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| 15:36.03 | nvz | darkcmd: well you could remove the gdm/kdm/xdm.. or whatever links from a runlevel if you wish |
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| 15:36.35 | K| | paulswm, thank you |
| 15:36.46 | paulswm | K|: You are welcome. |
| 15:36.50 | daxxar | curl -V gives me neither https on Protocols nor ssl on Features. :| |
| 15:36.54 | darkcmd | nvz, i removed gdm.. then the runlevel script |
| 15:37.07 | darkcmd | I did /msg dpkg nodm like asg said |
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| 15:37.30 | darkcmd | what's the default runevel though? |
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| 15:37.37 | darkcmd | i set it to 3 thinking it wouldn't boot gdm |
| 15:37.37 | FieldySnuts | hehe these early forms of computer "annoyances" crack me up http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/c/cookiemonster.html |
| 15:37.40 | darkcmd | I want to change it back |
| 15:37.42 | Babbage | Hi, how do I programmatically determine the source package that a paritcular binary package comes from ? |
| 15:38.13 | azeem | darkcmd: debian doesn't destinguish runlevels, the admin should set policy if he/she wants |
| 15:38.39 | darkcmd | ok |
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| 15:38.43 | darkcmd | so 1-4.. all the same |
| 15:38.50 | azeem | 2-5, but yes |
| 15:38.52 | nvz | I think this S3 ProSavage KM133 may be able to run bzflag if I were able to get its accell going.. it doesnt do half bad non-accellerated |
| 15:38.54 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:38.57 | azeem | 1 is single user |
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| 15:39.06 | paulswm | Babbage: apt-cache showsrc |
| 15:39.10 | darkcmd | so if I want each to do a certain thing.. I must do it myself |
| 15:39.34 | azeem | yes, see update-rc.d(8) |
| 15:39.38 | darkcmd | ok.. |
| 15:39.49 | darkcmd | sorry for wasting your time, I should be RTFMing |
| 15:40.13 | nvz | we wouldnt be here if we were not trying to waste our time |
| 15:40.58 | nvz | and its not really a waste when people benefit from it. some 40,000 a year it seems. |
| 15:41.00 | darkcmd | :D |
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| 15:42.04 | darkcmd | hmm.. when i use apt-get does it always try to verify its a good package by matching the md5sum by default? |
| 15:42.07 | daxxar | Anyone have ANY idea about how I can enable ssl-support in libcurl3 on debian/testing? |
| 15:42.26 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 15:42.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 42 rabid kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 15:42.36 | Babbage | paulswm> Nuts. That's too slow. I will have to preprocess all the results. |
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| 15:42.53 | wtf | [16:42:52] <KungFu> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 15:42.58 | wtf | [16:42:52] <Socket> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 15:43.03 | sussudio | wtf: don't paste spam you fucking moron |
| 15:43.06 | paulswm | Babbage: I'll take that as a "thanks, but it won't work for me" |
| 15:43.12 | wtf | sussudio |
| 15:43.17 | wtf | that are spammers |
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| 15:43.20 | wtf | on this chan |
| 15:43.20 | wtf | ! |
| 15:43.22 | darkcmd | dselect is a frontend for dpkg... right and not apt |
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| 15:43.28 | sussudio | wtf: AND YOU ARE ONE TOO |
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| 15:43.34 | Noldo | sussudio: idiot |
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| 15:43.45 | FieldySnuts | wow |
| 15:43.45 | paulswm | Thanks caphuso, you are on the ball :) |
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| 15:43.52 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 15:43.57 | darkcmd | yay for caphuso :) |
| 15:44.04 | wtf | sussudio: fuck off |
| 15:44.04 | DimmuR | when i run system (2.6.10) i should load : agpgart / ati-agp / radeon or ati-agp / agpgart / radeon ? |
| 15:44.11 | KasperTech | hey :) how do I get a new kernel to my debian installation ? |
| 15:44.13 | sussudio | fucktard. "i'm getting spammed on-join, so i'm helping them out by spamming the url twice in the channel" |
| 15:44.14 | FieldySnuts | 82.* ! |
| 15:44.20 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: yeah |
| 15:44.30 | paulswm | !prize sussudio |
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| 15:45.17 | wtf | how can i limit the number of backgroung processes for one user? |
| 15:45.31 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: inetnum: 82.194.40.0 - 82.194.40.255 |
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| 15:45.33 | sussudio | so banning 82.194.40.* will do |
| 15:45.53 | asg | wtf: man 5 limits.conf |
| 15:46.09 | darkcmd | so dselect is just a frontend for dpkg and not apt right? |
| 15:46.16 | wtf | asg: thnx |
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| 15:46.28 | sussudio | s/and not/like/ |
| 15:46.30 | caphuso | darkcmd: it's both, but using it as a frontend for apt is the way to go |
| 15:46.48 | darkcmd | whoa.. how do I use it as a apt frontend? |
| 15:46.54 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: i just hate 82 and 83 /8's that's all. see a rediculous ammount of abuse from them |
| 15:47.07 | caphuso | darkcmd: by choosing the appropriate select method |
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| 15:47.13 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:47.16 | caphuso | err, access method |
| 15:47.18 | caphuso | sorry |
| 15:47.23 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: 82 and 83 are spread all over the world now. it's not like someone sane is handing out IP ranges these days. |
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| 15:47.35 | FieldySnuts | not my problem |
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| 15:48.07 | darkcmd | i need to learn dselect.. apt and dpkg to the full potential |
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| 15:48.39 | takatumi | darkcmd: learn aptitude as well. |
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| 15:48.54 | darkcmd | aptitude? |
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| 15:49.10 | daxxar | When I mail a bugreport manually, are the Package, Version and Severity-fields mailheaders or just mail content? |
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| 15:49.19 | takatumi | darkcmd: yeah, try it. |
| 15:49.20 | paulswm | darkcmd: yes, you can use it command line or a UI and it doesn't suck as bad as dselect |
| 15:49.22 | azeem | synaptic and aptitude are both friendly APT frontends |
| 15:49.26 | caphuso | daxxar: don't |
| 15:49.35 | azeem | dselect is less so, but it is more elite |
| 15:49.41 | asg | daxxar: just use reportbug |
| 15:49.42 | darkcmd | sp dselect is not good for apt? |
| 15:49.46 | darkcmd | but is good for dpkg? |
| 15:49.46 | daxxar | asg, I do. |
| 15:49.55 | daxxar | caphuso: I have generated a bugreport on one machine using reportbug, and I just realized I can't mail it from there :| |
| 15:50.05 | caphuso | daxxar: why not? |
| 15:50.13 | daxxar | caphuso, network setup. |
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| 15:50.25 | daxxar | So I saved it to a temp file, and moved it to machine that has access to the outside worl. |
| 15:50.29 | daxxar | world* |
| 15:50.36 | caphuso | daxxar: and that prevents you from using the -o option? |
| 15:51.12 | daxxar | huh? |
| 15:51.22 | daxxar | "Instead of sending an email, redirect it to the specified filename."? |
| 15:51.37 | daxxar | The thing is, I already generated the bugreport, but when I came to the step about mailing it, I chose to save it to file instead. |
| 15:51.43 | daxxar | And I need to send that file somehow. |
| 15:51.51 | paulswm | darkcmd: Just try aptitude or synaptic, no need to make life harder than it already is :) |
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| 15:52.14 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i prevent modules from being loaded by default on startup? |
| 15:52.17 | darkcmd | ok.. so skip dselect? |
| 15:52.28 | paulswm | !prize darkcmd |
| 15:52.39 | darkcmd | hehe |
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| 15:52.43 | paulswm | :D |
| 15:52.44 | asg | Ashtars_fanclub: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:52.54 | darkcmd | man there are a lot of choices |
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| 15:53.13 | daxxar | caphuso, was that the wrong way to do it? isn't that identical to doing -o? |
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| 15:53.41 | paulswm | darkcmd: Or just use command line apt-cache search with apt-get or aptitude, that's what I do |
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| 15:55.33 | KasperTech | what do I do wrong, when I download a precompiled kernel.. and then I reboot... and a kernel panic appears |
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| 15:56.06 | asg | KasperTech: generally not configuring your bootloader to use it correctly will cause such things |
| 15:56.15 | andromede | bonjour |
| 15:56.16 | takatumi | KasperTech: no initrd? |
| 15:56.21 | caphuso | daxxar: i still don't understand your problem completely, but maybe http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting will clear it up |
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| 15:56.52 | KasperTech | asg: might be that, but how do I configure it right :) ? takatumi: might also be that :) |
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| 15:57.16 | andromede | j'ai un souscis sous debian, j'éssayais de configurer ma cle usb, et maintenant je n'ai plus de souris, que faire svp ? |
| 15:58.00 | sussudio | !f |
| 15:58.00 | dpkg | well, f is a letter of the alphabet, or m*a |
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| 15:58.04 | sussudio | !fr |
| 15:58.04 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
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| 15:58.23 | takatumi | KasperTech: you wrote "download", how did you? |
| 15:58.30 | KasperTech | apt'ed it |
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| 15:59.21 | Nero | Jo jetzt deht der ton |
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| 15:59.53 | xoxoxo | hello. i need to run a small script after the system finish booting up. in which rc file should i call this script? |
| 16:00.17 | caphuso | xoxoxo: read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 16:00.55 | cIclops | how do i find which video driver is installed? (debian 3.1) |
| 16:01.04 | KasperTech | takatumi: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.18-386 that's all I did? |
| 16:01.05 | takatumi | KasperTech: hmm, what does /etc/kernel-img.conf say about initrd? |
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| 16:01.33 | KasperTech | takatumi: I don't know, you see I can't boot up my debian :-( ? |
| 16:01.49 | takatumi | KasperTech: what about your old kernel? |
| 16:02.01 | KasperTech | takatumi 2.2:) |
| 16:02.16 | KasperTech | 2.2.20 to be precise |
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| 16:02.23 | Karnaugh | ok feel free to smack me |
| 16:02.23 | takatumi | KasperTech: unbootable now? |
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| 16:02.29 | Karnaugh | but what the hell is InnoDB |
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| 16:02.48 | Karnaugh | and how the hell do i get MySQL to "use/work" or whatever with "InnoDB support" |
| 16:02.50 | Karnaugh | on debian.. |
| 16:02.58 | Karnaugh | is there a separate package or something? |
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| 16:03.16 | Jooon | does anyone here have a Matrox G450/G550? I have trouble with any program that uses XVideo, like totem/mplayer/etc. the video is always on top of everything, so I can never navigate menus in totem for instance. quite annoying. I have tried to look for similar bug reports to xfree86, but I can't find anything |
| 16:03.26 | Karnaugh | oh wait i think I found it on google |
| 16:03.32 | KasperTech | takatumi: I wrote "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.18-686", let Debian work a bit, rebooted and then I can't boot because of a Kernel Panic |
| 16:03.37 | Davidcc6 | exist somthing like finale notepad for linux? |
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| 16:03.55 | drkvg | hi there |
| 16:04.04 | drkvg | I'm looking for a translation dictionnary program |
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| 16:04.15 | Karnaugh | err no |
| 16:04.15 | Karnaugh | wtf |
| 16:04.16 | drkvg | english-french, for instance, on the command-line |
| 16:04.20 | drkvg | Karnaugh: haha |
| 16:04.20 | Karnaugh | "the default Debian installation of MySQL turns of the InnoDB part using the skip-innodb option. You can just comment out this line and the InnoDB will load when mysql starts and create its necessary log files in /var/lib/mysql." |
| 16:04.25 | Karnaugh | ok |
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| 16:04.27 | takatumi | KasperTech: that shouldn't have messed up your old kernel, if yes, you'll need to boot off a live cd and fix it |
| 16:04.34 | Karnaugh | like, "skip-innodb" is *not* in my my.cnf |
| 16:04.40 | Karnaugh | and it still isnt loaded (apparently) |
| 16:04.49 | tzafrir | drkvg, dict can use online dict servers. Such as those from freedict.de |
| 16:05.04 | takatumi | KasperTech: and btw, there ain't a 2.6.18-686 kernel-image |
| 16:05.04 | KasperTech | takatumi: I'm willing to reinstall debian.. I just need to know how I install the newer kernel correct :) ? |
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| 16:05.20 | Karnaugh | !patience |
| 16:05.26 | KasperTech | takatumi: well it's the 2.6.18 I'm trying to get |
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| 16:05.52 | Jooon | KasperTech: I don't think that one is released yet |
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| 16:05.53 | KasperTech | 2.6 even |
| 16:05.53 | tzafrir | 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 16:05.54 | drkvg | tzafrir: thanks for the tip |
| 16:06.08 | tzafrir | 2.6.8-2-686 would probably be better |
| 16:06.13 | Nero | Oh mist ich kann nichts mehr downloaden |
| 16:06.17 | Nero | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 16:06.17 | Nero | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 16:06.38 | KasperTech | tzafrir: yeah.. I'll get that one, but how do I install it without getting the Kernel to Panic :) ? |
| 16:06.38 | azeem | Nero: some other program is trying to use APT |
| 16:06.40 | tzafrir | Nero, another process using it? (lsof?) |
| 16:06.42 | Jooon | Nero: lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:06.45 | tzafrir | you're not root? |
| 16:07.01 | tzafrir | lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:07.02 | Nero | hmm |
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| 16:07.37 | Nero | debian:/home/rene# lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:07.37 | Nero | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 16:07.37 | Nero | synaptic 1278 root 5rW REG 34,66 0 1815087 /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 16:07.37 | Nero | synaptic 1278 root 9uW REG 34,66 0 1815087 /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 16:07.47 | tzafrir | KasperTech, did you build the kernel on your own? What boot loader do you use? |
| 16:08.02 | KasperTech | tzafrir: no, it's a precompiled one and I use lilo |
| 16:08.07 | buckfunk | folks which ones from the cd ISO images are necessary for a full install with devel packages ? |
| 16:08.32 | tzafrir | Did you follow the instructions regarding the initrd? |
| 16:09.04 | tzafrir | buckfunk, all of them. But why would oyu want such an install? |
| 16:09.09 | azeem | buckfunk: if you have internet connection on your target box, just download a mini-ISO and get your favourite devel-environment via apt-get |
| 16:09.12 | KasperTech | I don't think so.. what are those :) ? |
| 16:09.16 | KasperTech | tzafrir |
| 16:09.29 | Karnaugh | ok thats some deceptive shit |
| 16:09.31 | vchrizz | how do i start top or irssi or similar on login? i want that top and irssi are started within an own window each when i login onto my box ... |
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| 16:09.38 | buckfunk | well i have a dialup which sucks - the only way is with my uni's fast connection |
| 16:09.45 | Karnaugh | RT turns on Inno support on install, but doesnt restart mysql :P |
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| 16:11.02 | buckfunk | I would go the download way if my bandwidth wasn't so shitty - I am a debian first timer and i hope it all goes ok the iso cd way |
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| 16:11.55 | FieldySnuts | <FieldySnuts> I'm lookin for a way to convert all .bmp files in a single directory to jpeg files. I imagine i'd use convert from image magick, but I don't know how to pull it off bash-wise. ideas? |
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| 16:12.02 | FieldySnuts | wow i suck, great paste dilhole |
| 16:12.09 | tzafrir | There should be a nice small summary available from dpkg about the kernel issue. I just can't remember the word |
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| 16:13.04 | quittt | ajato sux |
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| 16:15.17 | lqgusso | anyone can help me? |
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| 16:16.38 | lqgusso | how can i convert avi to vcd on linux? |
| 16:16.59 | lqgusso | anyone does knows which programm i do that? |
| 16:17.35 | Slackman | lqgusso: check sourceforge..i saw a prog a while back to do that |
| 16:17.45 | Slackman | can't remember the name though |
| 16:18.07 | lqgusso | on |
| 16:18.12 | lqgusso | ok |
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| 16:19.13 | drac | I've compiled 2.6.11-grsec with make-kpkg --append-to-version="-something" kernel_image, and it's working just fine, but i've missed just 1 module (snd-opti93x), can I just do: make-kpkg --append-to-version="-something" modules_image and then dpkg -i the module-image package? |
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| 16:23.37 | FieldySnuts | i'm trying to convert a directory full of .bmp images to .jpg . i was thinking convert but I don't know how to script that, any ideas? |
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| 16:25.31 | BadMan | hey all, I have a MN100 Microtek dig camera(usb) that I use to take pictures of selling items for ebay and other aution things, does anyboy use one of these with linux/debian and can possibly point me in the direction of getting some communications for it setup |
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| 16:26.04 | BadMan | I have googled around but cant seem to find to much... |
| 16:26.53 | azeem | BadMan: can't you just try to plug it in and see whether it works? |
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| 16:28.15 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. Is there a url that has the sarg ISOs? I don't want to use jigdo. I just want the plain ISOs. |
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| 16:28.41 | jdhutchin1 | Borg^Queen, the jigdo iso's are the same as any you'd download |
| 16:28.58 | Borg^Queen | jdhutchin1: Oh? |
| 16:28.58 | jdhutchin1 | iso's that you'd download in one complete piece were made using jigdo |
| 16:29.09 | Borg^Queen | Pardon? |
| 16:29.38 | Borg^Queen | I see so I just change the extension to ISO to burn them? |
| 16:30.01 | gurubie | I need xorg for my graphic (sis730) chips 3D. Do you recomend a manual install into testing or another way? |
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| 16:30.11 | Borg^Queen | I don't think I follow you |
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| 16:30.27 | BadMan | Borg^Queen: get the from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:30.41 | Borg^Queen | I'm there now BadMan |
| 16:30.53 | BadMan | azeem: yeah guess I coudl do that, but I dont waant to mess with it if it doesnt work for anyone else hehe |
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| 16:31.00 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Is there maybe a batch converter in the netpbm package? 'm not sure, but I'd prolly look there first, unless you want to batch-script gimp |
| 16:31.14 | BadMan | Borg^Queen: get the Net installer for your arch and sarge worked fairly well for me |
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| 16:31.30 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: someone had me do for i in *.bmp; do convert "$i" `echo $i | sed 's/\.bmp/\.jpg/g'`; done which worked. sometimes I wish I understood... |
| 16:31.43 | Borg^Queen | I see. Netinstaller? What does that do. Install over the net? |
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| 16:32.04 | Phated | Read the install guide too, maybe. |
| 16:32.05 | Borg^Queen | Because I want to make a few CD sets to give to my friends. |
| 16:32.17 | azeem | BadMan: well, digital cameras are usually managed via libgphoto2. Most just work[tm] |
| 16:32.24 | Borg^Queen | Phated: reading that now |
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| 16:32.49 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: OK, I don't know the 'convert' util, don't know what package it's in |
| 16:33.01 | BadMan | azeem: ok, thx i'll look and see if that is in there.. |
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| 16:33.26 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: imagemagick |
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| 16:33.27 | Kvant | paulswm, convert is in imagemagick |
| 16:33.53 | paulswm | FieldySnuts, Kvant: yeah, just found it with apt-file :) |
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| 16:34.22 | BadMan | seems that it is installed.. I rember seeing something that ony root could do usb comms.. |
| 16:34.31 | cahoot | paulswm: mogrify (in the same pkg) is a batch converter |
| 16:34.41 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: It's the script you don't understand? |
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| 16:35.33 | paulswm | cahoot: thanks, but I don't need it, was just trying to help out FieldySnuts :) |
| 16:35.35 | wtf | which chmod must I set to /home/user/public_html/? the browser just says forbidden.. |
| 16:35.57 | cahoot | paulswm: sorry |
| 16:36.22 | paulswm | cahoot: Oh, don't apologize, you'll make me feel bad :) |
| 16:36.30 | gnufan | wtf: Usually you need "other read permission" |
| 16:36.30 | cahoot | paulswm: sorry |
| 16:36.31 | Phated | Oooh, now we know his weakness! |
| 16:36.39 | templar | wtf: 0711 should be enough if you know the file |
| 16:36.43 | paulswm | !prise cahoot |
| 16:36.49 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: yep. don't seem to have the mind for it, so please don't try to explain hehe |
| 16:36.49 | Phated | Good lord! |
| 16:36.55 | BadMan | azeem: what i need to run like "lspci" to see if the camera is connected and communicating? |
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| 16:37.16 | azeem | BadMan: lsusb, e.g. |
| 16:37.31 | wtf | gnufan: es |
| 16:37.32 | BadMan | ahh ok simple enough lol |
| 16:37.34 | wtf | gnufan: yes |
| 16:38.26 | BadMan | azeem: seems it found it ok(wrong manuf. etc..) Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0553:0202 STMicroelectronics Imaging Division (VLSI Vision) Aiptek PenCam 1 |
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| 16:38.55 | BadMan | guess I need to figure out some kind of a viewer for it now... |
| 16:39.07 | gnufan | wtf: and "other executer on directories". |
| 16:40.07 | Phated | gtkam? |
| 16:41.08 | Borg^Queen | A digital camera app written in GTK |
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| 16:41.27 | BadMan | ok, going through synaptic now to see what I can find... |
| 16:41.32 | scarynetworkguy | Just mount it as a mass storage device and pull the pictures off. |
| 16:41.35 | scarynetworkguy | Easy peasy. |
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| 16:42.46 | BadMan | gtkam and adding gtkam-gimp as well |
| 16:42.59 | BadMan | scarynetworkguy: no clue in how to do that hehe |
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| 16:43.26 | Phated | It's USB, you know how to mount a USB device, don't you? |
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| 16:43.31 | Kvant | BadMan, mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /somedir |
| 16:43.36 | deadline | does somebody use amule? |
| 16:43.36 | scarynetworkguy | BadMan: You don't know how to mount a mass stoarge device? |
| 16:43.38 | BadMan | no my first experience with usb on linux |
| 16:43.43 | asg | BadMan: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:43.48 | Phated | Ah well. |
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| 16:43.53 | BadMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.54 | asg | deadline: mule's are old tech |
| 16:44.00 | asg | s/e's/es/ |
| 16:44.24 | deadline | asg: i know, what would you suggest? (except bt) |
| 16:44.36 | scarynetworkguy | !tell BadMan about usb-storage |
| 16:44.47 | scarynetworkguy | Ahh newness. |
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| 16:45.16 | BadMan | i got it space inf ront and it didnt popup thanks Im reading and looking now |
| 16:45.27 | dedikerad | does anyone have an idea of why my swedish special characters wont show in gnome-terminal? i know that it's not the font and they work in the rest of gnome |
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| 16:46.09 | sdafgsdf | hoi people |
| 16:46.36 | Borg^Queen | hi |
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| 16:47.04 | sdafgsdf | hi Borg^Queen :) |
| 16:47.12 | BadMan | figures.... usb-storage is there but: modprobe: Can't locate module sd |
| 16:47.27 | azeem | what do you need that for? |
| 16:47.43 | BadMan | according to /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:47.57 | BadMan | to mount it as a mass-storage device... |
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| 16:48.28 | BadMan | nevermind this camera aint even big enough to trasport and mp3 ... I will jsut go the gtkam route |
| 16:48.31 | BadMan | thanks anyway |
| 16:48.34 | dedikerad | they have worked in previous installations, so it's not that it's not supported either |
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| 16:49.32 | [-Pi-] | i have a problem with kernal-patch-grsecurity2 on kernel 2.6.10, anyone using this patch? |
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| 16:50.30 | nagual | [-Pi-]: 2.6.11 supports grsec ...(and its spelled 'kernel' |
| 16:50.31 | nagual | ) |
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| 16:52.57 | neo10-CZE | I need help with mrtg :( |
| 16:52.58 | deadline | does somebody know how to add directories to the shared files in amule ? |
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| 16:53.17 | neo10-CZE | Hwo can help me? |
| 16:53.18 | FieldySnuts | i'd find the mrtg people then, it's a bit too specific to expect help on here (no I don't know where) |
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| 16:53.39 | [-Pi-] | nagual - there is no 2.6.11 package yet... and 2.6.10 should support it as well |
| 16:54.00 | bc- | Anyone here tried to put grsec + skas3 patches together? |
| 16:54.01 | FieldySnuts | don't rely on packaging systems for your kenel, just do it yourself |
| 16:54.05 | FieldySnuts | bc-: nope |
| 16:54.17 | FieldySnuts | generally grsec patch doesn't get along with anything else |
| 16:54.32 | bc- | well, i'm figuring it out on hard way :( |
| 16:54.40 | Borg^Queen | I just tried to get jigdo and got this error |
| 16:54.40 | Borg^Queen | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 16:54.40 | Borg^Queen | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 16:54.41 | Borg^Queen | E: Couldn't find package jigdo-file |
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| 16:54.43 | FieldySnuts | ... |
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| 16:54.50 | FieldySnuts | bq knows better, too. |
| 16:55.01 | [-Pi-] | FieldySnuts - so you would take vanilla kernel and compile yourself form there? |
| 16:55.23 | FieldySnuts | always have, though i prefer to patch it with grsec these days |
| 16:55.27 | dedikerad | is there a way to partition (resize) a disk with only windows partitions to make room for GNU without deleting anything with only free software? |
| 16:55.34 | dedikerad | like what partition magic does |
| 16:56.03 | deadline | can i delete everything in /var/cache/apt/archives to create free disk space? |
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| 16:56.24 | [-Pi-] | FieldySnuts - what is the advantage over taking the kernel-source package and applying the grsec patch? |
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| 16:56.43 | nagual | [-Pi-]: on, sid i take it. i dont use sid. |
| 16:56.45 | bc- | [-Pi-], it depends |
| 16:56.49 | paulswm | deadline: apt-cache clean |
| 16:56.57 | BadMan | well its no detecting the camera.. may have to go usb-storage route... what would "sd" module be located under...? |
| 16:57.04 | FieldySnuts | [-Pi-]: a ton of security enhancements, you can read about it at www.grsecurity.net , usually only useful for servers (tends to break X apps) |
| 16:57.10 | nagual | [-Pi-]: you cant use the debian src and grsec patch. |
| 16:57.24 | FieldySnuts | yes, if you want grsec you will need to get vanilla source and patch it yourself |
| 16:57.28 | deadline | paulswm: E: Invalid operation clean |
| 16:57.38 | Phated | apt-get clean. |
| 16:57.41 | bc- | is there some .deb that puts together uml+grsec ? |
| 16:57.43 | Phated | BAD paulswm BAD. |
| 16:57.50 | paulswm | deadline: what Phated said :) |
| 16:57.55 | Phated | :) |
| 16:57.58 | bc- | I mean if there's no such package... it's terrible minus :( |
| 16:58.01 | FieldySnuts | i'll say it again: grsec doesn't really get along with ANY patch |
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| 16:58.09 | FieldySnuts | so i wouldn't count on it |
| 16:58.10 | paulswm | Or aptitude clean |
| 16:58.14 | Phated | Ew. |
| 16:58.15 | deadline | paulswm: Phated thanks |
| 16:58.20 | scarynetworkguy | Aptidue causes cancer. |
| 16:58.27 | Phated | deadline: No worries. |
| 16:58.28 | paulswm | And bad typing |
| 16:58.28 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:58.35 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 16:58.37 | [-Pi-] | nagual - worked for 2.6.7, and there is a kernel-patch-grsecurity2 which should apply to kernel-source from my understandings |
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| 16:58.51 | bc- | FieldySnuts, as any open source software... it's possible to make it work, but you need to work on it very hard |
| 16:58.57 | deadline | does somebody know how to add shared dirs in amule? |
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| 16:59.22 | FieldySnuts | bc-: probably. i've heard from others, had my own experiences, and come to that conclusion, have fun |
| 16:59.22 | rob0 | I would add that grsec is only good for servers and ONLY IF YOU LEARN how to manage it. Otherwise it breaks a lot of things. |
| 16:59.35 | Sergio_ | italian help please???? |
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| 16:59.38 | FieldySnuts | yeah, strongly agreed |
| 16:59.40 | paulswm | !it |
| 16:59.41 | dpkg | italian is probably per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
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| 16:59.47 | FieldySnuts | ni! |
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| 17:00.33 | krobar | anyone know what a spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7 means? |
| 17:01.02 | [-Pi-] | nagual - when checking the grsec patch from the debian package i have seen that it applies 2 patches: a) as2 b) grsec... the as2 patch fails, however when applying the grsec manually without applying the as2 patch then everything looks fine... how to check if the patch has been correctly applyed? |
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| 17:01.35 | FieldySnuts | for kernel 2.6.10 (vanilla), grsec requires the as2 patch to be applied first. this fixes a few discovered problems in 2.6.10. |
| 17:01.38 | FieldySnuts | (security issues) |
| 17:01.50 | FieldySnuts | thankfully you don't have to play that game with 2.6.11, but i'm only just now testing it |
| 17:02.21 | [-Pi-] | well, 2.6.11 is quite new ;-) |
| 17:02.25 | nagual | dont know, i never used any deb packages for grsec, since the maintainer had give it up the last time i tried |
| 17:02.35 | nagual | i only use vanilla and compile them myself these days |
| 17:02.53 | bc- | FieldySnuts, so much of your story of not-compat-with-any-other-patch :) |
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| 17:03.09 | [-Pi-] | FieldySnuts - is there a way to find out if the as2 patch is already in the debian kernel-source package? |
| 17:03.24 | FieldySnuts | bc-: the guys who wrote grsec wrote that patch, as far as I know. |
| 17:03.37 | [-Pi-] | nagual - i think i will try that as well with the 2.6.11, although i don't feel quite well with it atm |
| 17:03.43 | bc- | afaik grsec has only one developer |
| 17:03.50 | Active2 | that's right |
| 17:03.51 | FieldySnuts | there's a few |
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| 17:03.58 | nagual | [-Pi-]: just use make-kpkg its easy |
| 17:04.01 | bc- | and i doubt that he's maintain -as patchset |
| 17:04.12 | Active2 | FieldySnuts: Brad is the only one i thought ? |
| 17:04.28 | Active2 | and there is a PaX team |
| 17:04.39 | [-Pi-] | nagual - i know, tryed that before... |
| 17:04.53 | [-Pi-] | nagual - do you compile the gradm yourself too then? |
| 17:05.02 | nagual | [-Pi-]: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 17:05.04 | YogiBot | http://ln-s.net/2hP (at newbiedoc.sourceforge.net) |
| 17:05.13 | nagual | [-Pi-]: i apply the patch manually, yes |
| 17:06.26 | [-Pi-] | nagual - not the patch, the administration program for the arbac based acl system... |
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| 17:06.40 | nagual | i dont use that :) |
| 17:06.48 | nagual | i just apply the things in the kernel |
| 17:07.08 | [-Pi-] | nagual - ok |
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| 17:09.43 | [-Pi-] | how to out which changes have been done in the kernel-source package vs. vanilla source? |
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| 17:15.44 | interoz | i am working with a chroot and i get this error: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified; what should i check? |
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| 17:22.22 | stew | interoz: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 17:22.40 | stew | tatoo: iptables -t nat -L |
| 17:23.53 | tatoo | stew: thanks |
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| 17:26.14 | mejo | hi |
| 17:26.59 | Korkman | Is there a deamon for rebooting a server in case of cpu / memory overload? |
| 17:27.42 | mejo | what's the most global way to define aliases on my system? /etc/profile? |
| 17:28.30 | paulswm | mejo: Yes, but you might consider using functions ratther than aliases, same place though |
| 17:29.03 | BadMan | well piddled found in gnome meeting that it recognized the camera as a STV0680, seen in dmesg that is laoded the device driver for it, first rund etected pics(test) but gtkam will not let me do it.. must gtkam be run as root? |
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| 17:29.36 | Award | Is there any way to set mtab up on a device ID basis (that is, I have two USB mass storage devices, an HD and a USB reader, and either one could be sdc depending on if the other is on/connected when one is attached, which makes an mtab config kind of random... |
| 17:29.40 | mek_ | how do I make my wireless card get automatically connected? like by usind dhcp |
| 17:29.51 | Award | fstab rather |
| 17:30.21 | cahoot | BadMan: check what group the corresponding usb device is set to - add yourself to that group |
| 17:30.55 | mejo | paulswm: what's the advantage? |
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| 17:31.14 | Award | Note that these are NOT nessecerily ext or xfs volumes (eg a card reader is always vfat) |
| 17:31.31 | daft_ | I wonderd how large is the minimal debian instalation |
| 17:31.31 | Award | So the UUID wouldn't apply. |
| 17:31.33 | BadMan | yeah tahts the problem jsut su'd fired up gtkam selected the caemra and wallah |
| 17:31.34 | interoz | stew: running as root wont solve the problem |
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| 17:31.42 | paulswm | mejo: IIRC aliases are deprecated in favor of functions, but I use both, no reason not to use aliases other than that |
| 17:31.45 | BadMan | gues I need to add my user to usb group then....... |
| 17:31.48 | BadMan | imagine that.. |
| 17:33.01 | Korkman | daft_: about 130 MB I think |
| 17:33.08 | daft_ | ty |
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| 17:33.32 | cahoot | BadMan: look in /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.debian |
| 17:34.00 | Korkman | Is there any way to automate rebooting an overloaded server? |
| 17:34.11 | BadMan | cahoot: thx |
| 17:34.29 | Blissex | Korkman: yes. |
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| 17:34.59 | Korkman | Blissex: Good. What is it? :) |
| 17:36.01 | Blissex | Korkman: write a script that looks at '/proc/loadavg' lets say every 10 seconds, and reboot if the load average goes above some X. |
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| 17:36.26 | Blissex | Korkman: or run it with 'cron'. it is a one liner. |
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| 17:37.26 | BadMan | cahoot: so basically I jsut had to add my user to caerma group.. lol |
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| 17:37.52 | Award | Also can anyone comment on backuppc as a backup utility (Perl frontent for tar, samba, rsync, bzip etc) |
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| 17:38.17 | Korkman | Blissex: The thing is that the server doesn't even respond to ssh anymore, not even running sessions. A cron would mean more ressources but there aren't any left. Not even a bash shell could start. So it would have to be a running daemon always watching but yes, that can be done with a script. |
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| 17:38.34 | Belping-- | is there a good forum for debian? |
| 17:38.39 | interoz | stew: but it was a .Xauthority related thing. thanks! |
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| 17:39.29 | Blissex | Korkman: think more carefully. |
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| 17:39.52 | takatumi | Belping--: mailing lists, http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 17:39.53 | Blissex | Korkman: or rather read more carefully what I wrote, like «every 10 seconds»... |
| 17:39.55 | gregm | can changing the bios time stop the system booting ? |
| 17:40.29 | Blissex | Korkman: it would probably help to run the script with negative niceness. |
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| 17:41.20 | Belping-- | takutumi: thanks |
| 17:41.54 | Korkman | Blissex: Sure, though I could swear there's some package already containing something like this |
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| 17:42.47 | Blissex | Korkman: not quite -- it is really a one liner. There are packages that contain load _monitors_ and then event based action triggering, usually things related to SNMP. |
| 17:43.13 | Blissex | Korkman: but the simplest thing is just a one line script running permanently with a 'sleep 10' in it. |
| 17:43.20 | kyncani | Korkman: maybe something like watchdog ? |
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| 17:43.44 | kyncani | (but i agree with the homemade script as Blissex said) |
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| 17:45.28 | Korkman | kyncani: watchdog is exacly what I had in mind. Next question: Is "software watchdog" compiled in the stock debian kernels? I guess I'll end up with the script, but watchdog sounds good. |
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| 17:46.45 | krobar | anyone know anything about spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7. i tried going to a 2.6 kernel and turning off acpi |
| 17:46.48 | kyncani | Korkman: you'll have to try for yourself, i've only tried software watchdogs a couple of time, without success (didn't try very hard though) |
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| 17:47.24 | kevinz | how to make broadcasting to every user who are using shell that they will see "Broadcast message from" |
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| 17:47.43 | kyncani | Korkman: i have some /lib/modules/2.6.9-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/watchdog/softdog.ko .. ? |
| 17:47.44 | Korkman | kyncani: I'll read into it. Any suggestion for a "overload" value? 5.0? |
| 17:47.58 | Korkman | (in case I write that script) |
| 17:48.13 | Rogue_buddha | Anyone get encrypted swap to work with loopback-aes-utils on testing? The loopback aes instructions seem simple enough. I can't get it to work. |
| 17:48.17 | helios | i'm trying to build a package from source, why can't GNU "make" build library foo.so but only foo.a and foo.la? |
| 17:48.19 | kyncani | Korkman: i would not advice an automatic reboot, but rather smthing like an alarm, maybe a mail to some admins |
| 17:48.31 | BadMan | well I must be missing somethign added my user to the caemra group but I still cannot access the camera succesfully with out being root |
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| 17:48.39 | Kei | hey google www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 17:49.16 | kyncani | Korkman: you would not want to make a mistake and have the server reboot without any good reason (and get fired) do you ? ;) |
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| 17:50.02 | Korkman | kyncani: The system can't even open an ssh connection, how is it supposed to send a mail? I guess even an "init 6" is barely possible |
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| 17:50.19 | cahoot | BadMan: logged out/in? |
| 17:50.26 | Rogue_buddha | Anyone know what the error "swapon: LOOP_SET_STATUS failed indicates? I have loop and aes ciphers loaded |
| 17:50.30 | cahoot | BadMan: logged out/in? as user |
| 17:50.36 | Blissex | Korkman: I would like to point out that if you do some periodic check probably you can reboot _before_ everything lock up. |
| 17:50.39 | kyncani | Korkman: of course, you have to do smthing _before_ the system enters a completely unusable state. |
| 17:50.53 | kyncani | yeah, like Blissex said, _before_ |
| 17:50.54 | Blissex | Rogue_buddha: consider using 'loop-AES'. |
| 17:51.12 | BadMan | cahoot.. no didnt think that would matter but probably a smart thing todo |
| 17:51.17 | BadMan | bbiaf |
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| 17:52.09 | Rogue_buddha | Blissex: thats different that loop-aes-utils? |
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| 17:52.55 | Pancamo | lo is this normal? |
| 17:52.58 | Pancamo | ancient:/usr/src/linux-2.6.7# mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.7.img 2.6.7 |
| 17:52.58 | Pancamo | $Id: mkinitrd,v 1.201 2004/05/16 22:00:48 herbert Exp $ |
| 17:52.58 | Pancamo | Usage: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd [OPTION]... <-o outfile> [version] |
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| 17:53.21 | Pancamo | hi david |
| 17:53.30 | kyncani | Korkman: the only good reason i can see for a fully automatic reboot is smthing like a watchdog sent to _another_ server, than can decide after some delay like 5 minutes that the server is dead, replace it and reboot it. But you need two machines of course. |
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| 17:53.49 | nomed^ | hi |
| 17:53.58 | Blissex | Rogue_buddha: the 'loop-aes-utils' package is the command line part of the 'loop-AES' driver. |
| 17:54.09 | BadMan | cahoot works thanks |
| 17:54.28 | nomed^ | is there someone using DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i686? |
| 17:54.29 | Korkman | Blissex, kyncani: Usually my systems don't lock up. It's a rare thing when it happens and out of the most different reasons. So I have no idea of how fast the thing locks up. Maybe five seconds and all memory is allocated, something like that. An init 6 should not hurt anyway, as all processes are terminated correctly. When I see cronjobs rebooting the machine on a regulare basis I'll use a higher load value :) Though the watchdog will handle it |
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| 17:55.11 | Pancamo | and i'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.7, so it gave that msg but is it wrong or? |
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| 17:55.45 | kyncani | Korkman: when the system is locked up, it's too late, you got to have another machine to take some action. Your server cannot even reboot itself, cause he's dead .. |
| 17:56.09 | axk | Hi all, just upgraded with latest icecast, xmm-liveice and lame sid pack. Configured all. From the icecast log source is connected but when some listener is connected no audio flow is bcasting. Any clue? |
| 17:56.21 | nvz | thats what watchdogs and hangcheck timers are for |
| 17:56.21 | drp | how do you take someone out of a group ... opposite of addgroup $user group |
| 17:56.30 | nomed^ | so nobody can explain me if DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 can affect apt-build? |
| 17:56.34 | drp | i accidentally added root to the vid. group |
| 17:56.46 | nvz | when the system has "gone out to lunch" past a certain time, it takes action |
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| 17:57.00 | bhearsum | do the debian kernels have himem support on b default? |
| 17:57.03 | pseubodot | drp: just run usermod again, and omit the group |
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| 17:57.20 | kyncani | nvz: yeah, but i did not have any luck with software watchdog (may try again sometime) |
| 17:57.51 | nvz | bhearsum: no |
| 17:57.52 | krobar | anyone know how to disable acpi |
| 17:57.55 | paulswm | drp: man deluser |
| 17:58.02 | bhearsum | are there any prebuilt kernels that have himem support? |
| 17:58.15 | paulswm | drp then /Remove an user from a specific group |
| 17:58.29 | pwned | how can I remove all lib* packages on which no other package depends, unless that lib* is a -dev package? |
| 17:58.40 | nvz | when I "grep MEM /boot/config-2.4.27-1-386", I get CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UMEM=m |
| 17:58.44 | nvz | bhearsum: ^ |
| 17:58.58 | bhearsum | ah. i didn't know the config was stored there |
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| 17:59.08 | pseubodot | drp: yeah, what paulswm said. |
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| 17:59.22 | paulswm | pseubodot: :D |
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| 17:59.27 | drp | k, thanks pseubodot and paulswm |
| 17:59.35 | paulswm | drp: yw |
| 17:59.37 | nvz | bhearsum: sure is, and it also says "# CONFIG_HIGHMEM is not set" |
| 17:59.55 | DimmuR | if i have xorg installed can i safely uninstall xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 18:00.03 | bhearsum | i'll keep that in mind. |
| 18:00.08 | Pancamo | anything wrong in this? |
| 18:00.09 | Pancamo | ancient:/usr/src/linux-2.6.7# mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.7.img 2.6.7 |
| 18:00.23 | nvz | for whatever reason my brother has torn these thinkpads apart.. I am going to try build one working laptop from the remains :P |
| 18:00.28 | bhearsum | Pancamo: i usually specify /usr/lib/kern_version when i mkinitrd |
| 18:00.37 | paulswm | .msg dpkg xorg |
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| 18:01.32 | bhearsum | nvz: what thinkpads? |
| 18:01.36 | Pancamo | bhearsum do you mind if i pm you? as i could explain it little bit properly ;) |
| 18:01.41 | bhearsum | Pancamo: sure |
| 18:01.53 | Belping-- | can anyone tell me how i can see the overall download speed and network statistics? |
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| 18:01.57 | paulswm | nvz: Perhaps you can then hit your brother with the left over remains :) |
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| 18:02.29 | nvz | bhearsum: we got 3 or so broken thinkpads, they are PIII 500 Intel PIIX systems.. they all worked with various problems, some had broken screens..etc.. now none of them work |
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| 18:02.47 | bhearsum | nvz: ahhhh |
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| 18:02.51 | nvz | bhearsum: I had planned on fixing all 3 when I got here, and now he's got it to where I am lucky to get one working |
| 18:02.59 | s062493268_ | hi |
| 18:03.01 | bhearsum | that sucks, heh |
| 18:03.07 | Korkman | Blissex, kyncani: Thanks for the advice. I'll go for the watchdog, hoping the kernel module exists under woody as well. Ciao ... |
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| 18:03.40 | Blissex | nvz: swapping bits around? perhaps you can make one working tpad out of 3 non working ones? |
| 18:03.42 | s062493268_ | does anyone have firefox? |
| 18:03.59 | drp | s062493268_: yes |
| 18:04.08 | nvz | Blissex: yeah thats what I am thinking. thought it looks pretty bad |
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| 18:04.26 | [-Pi-] | anyone of the ppl with whom i discussed the as2 patch problem for kernel 2.6.10 before still alive? |
| 18:04.45 | nvz | Blissex: I really need to locate a battery and/or power coord.. and a cdrom.. so far I dont have enough remains found to even get started |
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| 18:04.57 | FieldySnuts | i'm alive but I didn't have problems, also im using 2.6.11 with grsec at the moment |
| 18:05.09 | paulswm | Finally :P |
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| 18:05.41 | FieldySnuts | yeah. tip: don't forget to take off --dry-run to patch when you're testing.. i actually compiled the kernel (it hadn't been patched), booted it, ran it, then wondered why I could see root's proccesses as a normal user |
| 18:05.55 | nvz | _I_ am currently using an old 14" Packard Bell monitor that cannot get better than 640x480 resolution.. so I would much rather be using one of these thinkpads right now |
| 18:06.12 | FieldySnuts | ouch |
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| 18:07.46 | nvz | in X at 640x480 I can get a console at about 91x34 comfortably.. which isnt too bad, but there are alot of programs that are ignorant at this resolution, web browsers, image editors..etc.. and a lot of games are ignorant too, like xmille requires like 1600x1200 just to play cause the window is too fuckin big |
| 18:08.12 | nvz | s/console/terminal emulator/ |
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| 18:08.19 | Belping-- | how can i see which packets i have installed? |
| 18:08.25 | caphuso | none, |
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| 18:08.27 | caphuso | err |
| 18:08.30 | qwerty_ | Is there a way to have fetchmail leave messages on the server for X days? |
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| 18:08.47 | nvz | Belping--: you mean packages? dpkg -l | egrep ^.ii | less |
| 18:08.48 | pureone | belping ethereal ? |
| 18:08.57 | Belping-- | ok thanks! |
| 18:09.34 | caphuso | Belping--, nvz: egrep ^.i |
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| 18:09.51 | Pancamo | i'm compiling kernel 2.6.7 and it gives to me help as i write this: "mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.7.img 2.6.7" so anything wrong in it? |
| 18:09.58 | BadMan | nvz there were a bunch of thinkpad parts on ebay the other day(thats where I got my ac adapter) |
| 18:10.02 | nvz | caphuso: yeah, well ^.i it seems would also show things marked for removal or purge..etc |
| 18:10.22 | caphuso | nvz: and "^.ii" won't show anything |
| 18:10.26 | nvz | heh |
| 18:10.31 | nvz | point taken |
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| 18:11.33 | Belping-- | nvz: it doesn't return anything |
| 18:11.46 | nvz | BadMan: yeah, I dont care that much about them.. I just see them as a slight better than what I have now.. if its not too much work |
| 18:12.04 | krygen | hello everyone, debian beginner. I am using the LordSutch.com ISOLINUX mini-ISO image net installer to install debian. I'm at the 'Install Kernel and Driver Modules' phase of the inst. The installer is asking for the directory containing the file 'images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin' |
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| 18:12.12 | nnnnnn | hi |
| 18:12.18 | FieldySnuts | nnnnnn: badger? |
| 18:12.21 | krygen | does anyone by chance know where that file is on the iso |
| 18:12.41 | nnnnnn | nop.. |
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| 18:13.22 | nvz | Belping--: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | less |
| 18:13.25 | qwerty_ | krygen if you have a shell type "find / -name rescue.bin" |
| 18:13.59 | nvz | Belping--: there was a syntax error in my regular expression, pointed out by caphuso |
| 18:14.11 | caphuso | not a syntax error, just a wrong pattern |
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| 18:15.12 | drp | how can you check what device your mouse is currently on |
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| 18:15.29 | drp | Ithink mine switches from /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mouse |
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| 18:15.46 | kyncani | drp: cat /dev/input/mouse and move the mouse around |
| 18:15.47 | Poil | hello |
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| 18:16.18 | igraltist | Blissex: i you remeber i asked about onstream streamer, now i haw write acces, he is working :) |
| 18:16.19 | nvz | I'll get with the program eventually. I am confused. :P |
| 18:16.30 | nvz | a little disoriented if you will |
| 18:16.36 | igraltist | i mean, if you |
| 18:16.44 | Blissex | igraltist: ah that's good. |
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| 18:17.07 | nvz | I got my hd sitting on a damn 50lb linux manual over here.. I dont even have a solid pc in a case going on |
| 18:17.11 | Blissex | igraltist: and I do remember -- not many people even remember OnStream. |
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| 18:17.18 | Rock0r | hi all |
| 18:17.29 | krygen | man, i did a search and nothing was found |
| 18:17.33 | _gentgeen_ | In a bash script, what is the command to get a pause and a "Press enter to continue .." output? |
| 18:17.40 | Rock0r | regenerating /dev/usblp0 -> how ? |
| 18:17.44 | Poil | Is debian sarge or woody support 21610SA raid card? (I see the driver is aacraid but debian-installer not found it) |
| 18:17.55 | igraltist | Blissex: is this company aut of day ? |
| 18:18.07 | caphuso | _gentgeen_: help read |
| 18:18.10 | drp | kyncani: it has output on both /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux |
| 18:18.39 | Blissex | igraltist: I think so -- it already went bankrupt once, and was reborn with a small change of name, but I haven't seen their products around for a long time. |
| 18:18.41 | drp | my scroll doesn't work on /dev/input/mice though |
| 18:18.44 | arturaz | how do i remove 'hold' state from all packages? |
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| 18:19.05 | _gentgeen_ | caphuso, that was it read -- with a little echo -- thanks -- I kept thinking 'pause' or 'input' |
| 18:19.07 | _gentgeen_ | thanks |
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| 18:19.29 | kyncani | drp: well, don't know any more than that |
| 18:19.53 | drp | thats not normal though to have the mouse on both those devices is it? |
| 18:20.09 | kyncani | drp: don't think so |
| 18:20.09 | Pancamo | i'm compiling kernel 2.6.7 and it gives to me help as i write this: "mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.7.img 2.6.7" so anything wrong in it? |
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| 18:21.35 | humbolt | udev in combination with raid does not seem to be the hell of an idea? is there a workaround or a solution coming up for that? |
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| 18:22.05 | igraltist | Blissex: thx :) |
| 18:23.01 | prahal | hi are there plans to integrate gnome 2.6.10 applets in debian gnome 2.6.8 ? there are a lot of interesting new ones (which where already available for 2.6.8 but not in the official release ... |
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| 18:24.03 | prahal | i ask this as i already use them , and most 2.6.8 applets where ehm gadgets |
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| 18:25.11 | prahal | humbolt: "the hell of an idea" what do you mean ? (is it a bad or good idea ) |
| 18:25.15 | rfauth | prahal: what is the applet that looks like a mac pager (launcher) or whatever it is called? |
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| 18:26.00 | prahal | rfauth: i was talking about gnome-panel applets, i think you want a complete replacment for gnome-panel |
| 18:26.05 | travisat | is it evil to use another computer to distcc the kernel on my computer? |
| 18:26.08 | humbolt | bad |
| 18:26.37 | nayyares | What will be the command of dd for taking image of a running system to a CD-Writer(CD-R)????? |
| 18:26.58 | prahal | rfauth: 2.6.8 panel applets where like weather and such , 2.6.10 has a "bookmarks menu", a web search , a mini wiki (tomboy) .... pretty usefull tools |
| 18:27.08 | humbolt | when I install udev, my root raid system does not come up anymore, while it it not a matter of the root raid, but the other raid partitions not being found |
| 18:27.24 | sussudio | !tell undertow about away |
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| 18:28.06 | humbolt | I read something on the net that it is a matter of udev creating new devices and therefore having not matching signatures in the raid conf? |
| 18:28.06 | undertow | jesus suss |
| 18:28.06 | kyncani | nayyares: bad idea to take an image of a running system methinks |
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| 18:28.17 | prahal | travisat: the point of distcc is to compile with both computer (speeding up the compile time). You can compile a kernel on another computer (provided it has the same llibc6 version and kernel-headers) with vanilla gcc without harm |
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| 18:28.51 | caphuso | the kernel doesn't use libc6 and comes with its own kernel headers |
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| 18:29.28 | travisat | well I don't like compiling the kernel on my laptop cause it burns my lap, so I am using a desktop to do it for me |
| 18:29.31 | prahal | humbolt: seems discover/hotplug does not load your raid driver before debian try to mount the partition, adding them in /ec/modules (modconf can do it) should fix it |
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| 18:29.57 | Poil | Is debian sarge or woody support 21610SA raid card? (I see the driver is aacraid but debian-installer not found it) |
| 18:30.13 | travisat | so I guess that won't hurt anything by not including localhost in the distcc hosts |
| 18:30.34 | pantoffel | So you guys use debian...... interesting.... . Anyway? What do woman want? What's attractive anyway? Got some fashion advise or websites that you know ... :D |
| 18:30.38 | prahal | humbolt: well i don't know of the signature things (i have just use knoppix to rescue windows raid system, maybe vanilla debian miss something knoppix have). |
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| 18:30.54 | humbolt | prahal: no, I think it it not a matter of modules, since I have a root raid, the modules are preloaded with the ramdisk anyway |
| 18:30.55 | travisat | pantoffel: women want penquins |
| 18:31.10 | Skaag | pantoffel: Most women don't REALLY know what they want |
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| 18:31.23 | FieldySnuts | um |
| 18:31.32 | Skaag | ok that was a joke of course |
| 18:31.33 | Skaag | :-) |
| 18:31.38 | pantoffel | I wish I was a penquin |
| 18:31.39 | omry_ | I tried to upgrade to 2.6.8-2 with apt-get, and my system did not boot. it seemed it messed up the root in grub/menu.lst. when I fixed it, I got kernel panic, can't open /dev/console. any idea whats wrong? |
| 18:31.41 | FieldySnuts | better be or I'll sick Phated on ya |
| 18:31.42 | caphuso | Skaag: they do, but they don't tell anyone ;-) |
| 18:31.51 | Phated | On who? |
| 18:31.57 | FieldySnuts | Skaag hehe |
| 18:31.59 | Skaag | caphuso: It's a global conspiracy against men |
| 18:32.01 | asuffield | he has a point |
| 18:32.06 | pantoffel | so travisat skaag any nice fashion advises for first dates or something? |
| 18:32.08 | FieldySnuts | trolls. |
| 18:32.12 | Phated | Ah. |
| 18:32.18 | pantoffel | you sound like people who know womans :) |
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| 18:32.25 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 18:32.31 | Skaag | Phated :-) |
| 18:32.33 | Phated | Oh, yeah, we know women. |
| 18:32.42 | nayyares | kyncani: then what are those other option i have |
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| 18:32.50 | asuffield | Phated: like you ever know what you want :P |
| 18:32.51 | pantoffel | hehe womens |
| 18:32.57 | Skaag | I don't know women, for sure, but then I don't know many men as well |
| 18:33.07 | FieldySnuts | asl? |
| 18:33.10 | FieldySnuts | JOKE |
| 18:33.14 | Phated | asuffield: Who said anything about me? I said I knew women. ;) |
| 18:33.14 | pantoffel | hmmm |
| 18:33.15 | travisat | pantoffel: wear a tuxedo |
| 18:33.20 | hacim | is there a way I can make anything that gets put into a particular file be sent to /dev/log instead? |
| 18:33.26 | nayyares | kyncani: i have to make sure that ma linux system remains up till ma death :( |
| 18:33.30 | kyncani | nayyares: boot another system (like a knoppix) and use it to dd your discs |
| 18:33.36 | travisat | pantoffel: and bring an egg to sit on |
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| 18:33.54 | omry_ | hacim, maybe something like tail -f file >> /dev/log |
| 18:33.54 | Phated | And if you break it, you better get away fast. |
| 18:34.09 | kyncani | nayyares: if your system must stay up and running, i suggest you look at some other backup solution than dd |
| 18:34.27 | nayyares | kyncani: what are they? |
| 18:34.35 | krygen | this is very strange. the inst. cd for debian that i'm using (mentioned above) is asking for the directory containing the file 'images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin' |
| 18:34.35 | krygen | * nnnnnn has joined #debian |
| 18:34.55 | kyncani | nayyares: tar or rsync are pretty easy to set up, there are some more complex ones |
| 18:34.59 | krygen | well, i put the cd into my windows machine and found that file perfecyly |
| 18:35.01 | omry_ | hacim, although its not a very good idea, it might stick stuff in the middle of a line printed by syslog. |
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| 18:35.04 | hacim | omry_: unfortunately if I do that, I get the error: bash: /dev/log: No such device or address |
| 18:35.05 | Garp | Hi. |
| 18:35.15 | krygen | perfectly*, but the debian installer can't find it |
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| 18:35.52 | Skaag | pantoffel: some women get turned on by shallow things like nice cars, armani clothing, expensive perfume, rolex on your left hand... |
| 18:35.58 | Phated | Right. |
| 18:35.59 | omry_ | hacim, oh.. dev/log.. I though /var/log, dunno about dev/log. |
| 18:36.01 | Phated | Right hand. |
| 18:36.03 | Skaag | oh well he's gone ;-) |
| 18:36.04 | Garp | Question: j2re1.4 failed to preconfigure, with exit status 10 [...] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) <- any suggestion? Thanks. |
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| 18:36.38 | Skaag | Garp: Do you run a kernel with grsec or something similar? |
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| 18:37.05 | Garp | Skaag: I run a standard debian kernel (from unstable) |
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| 18:37.28 | Skaag | Garp: Where did you get your JRE from? |
| 18:37.32 | Skaag | (which source) |
| 18:37.46 | Garp | Skaag: I answered "no" to the licence question; maybe that's the reason. |
| 18:37.55 | Skaag | ah |
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| 18:37.57 | Skaag | LOL |
| 18:37.58 | Garp | Skaag : from a blackdown mirror. |
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| 18:38.08 | Skaag | Garp: This is the source I use for mine: deb http://www.tux.org/pub/java/debian sid non-free |
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| 18:38.22 | daveon | helloes |
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| 18:38.34 | Garp | Skaag : content should be similar. I belive this is also a blackdown mirror. |
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| 18:38.42 | Skaag | yes looks like it |
| 18:38.58 | daveon | anybody knows a backported mldonkey package for woody? |
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| 18:39.04 | Garp | Skaag : if I uninstall/ try to reinstall, the configure doesnt promt me any question any more. They are keept somewhere, it seesm. |
| 18:39.14 | Garp | Skaag : so I dunno what to do. |
| 18:39.14 | daveon | how can I install mldonkey in stable? |
| 18:39.20 | YamahaRx800 | is powerpoint compatible to openoffice? |
| 18:39.22 | eguzkia | hello |
| 18:39.25 | Skaag | Garp: apt-get --purge uninstall <packagename> |
| 18:39.30 | Garp | YamahaRx800 : more or less yes. |
| 18:39.36 | Garp | Skaag: thanks. |
| 18:39.40 | Skaag | Garp: this should get rid of any previous settings |
| 18:39.51 | YamahaRx800 | what do you mean more or less? |
| 18:39.51 | Skaag | (i hope) |
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| 18:40.07 | Skaag | less than more, no? |
| 18:40.18 | Garp | YamahaRx800: 80% I would say |
| 18:40.19 | Skaag | it's good for the basic slideshows |
| 18:40.34 | Palo | When is sarge coming out, I'mma yearning for some xorg? |
| 18:40.39 | Garp | YamahaRx800: some features wont work. Some wuill work differently. |
| 18:40.49 | gnufan | YamahaRx800: You can open most Powerpoint presentation in OpenOffice. Powerpoint itself doesn't handle OpenOffice format at all. You can get a bit more than basic slideshows. But the answer is "try it". |
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| 18:41.00 | Garp | YamahaRx800: But I didnt had many bad surprises with what I did. |
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| 18:41.05 | jair_11 | everybody read this please: http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxsw/petition.html |
| 18:41.12 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 18:41.18 | jair_11 | how is wvwrybody? |
| 18:41.19 | Skaag | hi jair_11 |
| 18:41.24 | YamahaRx800 | ya all i need to do is put text on them but i waz wonderen if it word work on powerpoint(windows) |
| 18:41.33 | jair_11 | Skaag, hi :) |
| 18:41.34 | jair_11 | everybody read this please: http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxsw/petition.html |
| 18:41.41 | Segers_J | YamahaRx800: it will export, |
| 18:41.41 | eguzkia | hello |
| 18:41.56 | Garp | jair_11: who cares ? ;=) |
| 18:42.02 | Skaag | jair_11: There are many typos in that petition so i'm not signing it! |
| 18:42.13 | prahal | caphuso: gcc use libc6 to compile the kernel , it should be consistent with the applications and the architecture so the structures have the same meaning |
| 18:42.13 | eguzkia | please help me |
| 18:42.14 | Skaag | jair_11: Ok just kidding, I'll sign it ;-) |
| 18:42.21 | jair_11 | hahahah |
| 18:42.27 | jair_11 | guys please |
| 18:42.33 | Segers_J | YamahaRx800: and I've had good luck. everything I've tried has worked. but you must choose export instead of save. |
| 18:42.33 | YamahaRx800 | so will i be able to read it on powerpoint? |
| 18:42.35 | Garp | Skaag : I would prefer a good free flash player, if any. |
| 18:42.36 | prahal | caphuso: though i guess there are more than that but i lack knowledge :( |
| 18:42.45 | darkcmd | yeah someone needs to fix the typos, because it makes look less knowledgable. |
| 18:42.50 | darkcmd | us |
| 18:42.55 | YamahaRx800 | oh ok |
| 18:42.55 | Garp | (I know, I'm trying to install a proprietary java :( |
| 18:42.57 | YamahaRx800 | thanks |
| 18:43.06 | jair_11 | I work with organization non-profit 50% of the application for the kids needs shokwave plugin and the flash do not play them |
| 18:43.08 | Shadur | jair_11: You are aware that *nobody* takes petitiononline petitions even remotely seriously any more, right? |
| 18:43.13 | eguzkia | how can i start to use plone? |
| 18:43.17 | Segers_J | !tell eguzkia about ask |
| 18:43.20 | YamahaRx800 | Thanks everyone |
| 18:43.35 | Skaag | Garp: The way I see it, any pressure on MACR to produce stuff for linux, is good, no matter from which direction |
| 18:43.35 | omry_ | where can I find kernel source package for 2.6.7 ? (or old kernels in general?) |
| 18:43.38 | jair_11 | Shadur, really? |
| 18:43.43 | Garp | Shadur: I didnt know bbut I'm not surprised buy that. |
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| 18:43.58 | kyncani | jair_11: i thought flashplayer-mozilla was a macromedia flash player for linux/mozilla ? |
| 18:44.00 | jair_11 | so i will get all those signatures and I will write to macromedia explaining this need. |
| 18:44.03 | Skaag | Garp: The chances of having a really good free player soon are slim, for macromedia its a piece of cake |
| 18:44.04 | prahal | Garp: swfdec is hackish and use 100% cpu (though less ram than macromedia ...), gplflash is a good one but flash 4 only |
| 18:44.08 | jair_11 | yes |
| 18:44.13 | Skaag | kyncani: I think he means Shockwave |
| 18:44.19 | Skaag | not just Flash |
| 18:44.20 | jair_11 | Flashplayer is currently working. |
| 18:44.22 | Phated | Yeah, and be happy you haven't been kicked for spamming already, sheesh. Three times! |
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| 18:44.26 | jair_11 | but shokwave nope |
| 18:44.27 | Garp | prahal: OK. Thanks. |
| 18:44.35 | Skaag | jair_11: That's right - don't spam us with this |
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| 18:44.41 | Garp | Skaag: right. |
| 18:44.45 | jair_11 | shokwave is similar than flash but it is interactive |
| 18:44.46 | kyncani | jair_11: oops sorry (was thing about this damn flash player) |
| 18:44.49 | daveon | anybody knows how to install mldonkey in woody? maybe any unnofficial repository? |
| 18:44.53 | prahal | Garp: a new flash lib based on opengl is under devel (flash 7) but it will take monthes before an alpha release |
| 18:44.58 | Skaag | jair_11: that was a ridiculous statement... both are interactive |
| 18:45.05 | jair_11 | Skaag, nope |
| 18:45.08 | Skaag | yes |
| 18:45.11 | jair_11 | ok |
| 18:45.17 | Garp | un grants you ? |
| 18:45.17 | Garp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.18 | Garp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.23 | Phated | Flash can be interactive. |
| 18:45.30 | jair_11 | try to play a interactive game with shokwave on Linux any Linux distro. |
| 18:45.31 | Garp | (do you really see *me* answering "yes" to that ? |
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| 18:45.46 | Garp | (I'll let my 18 year child sign for mùe, I guess |
| 18:45.58 | Skaag | Garp: nice solution :-) |
| 18:46.00 | Segers_J | daveon: check apt-get.org You can always use the source, it's generally easy to compile things yourself. |
| 18:46.15 | prahal | Skaag: gplflash was the macromedia flash player (version 4) |
| 18:46.16 | Garp | s/year/month/ |
| 18:46.19 | jair_11 | yes I understand but the flash is different the look similar and they can be interactive but shokwave play in mozilla and firefox for windows but not on Linux |
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| 18:46.29 | calin | due to attenuation problems, the furthest a Cat5e cable can go without having major packet droppage would be 130 feet, or yards? |
| 18:46.38 | jair_11 | so please : everybody read this please: http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxsw/petition.html |
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| 18:46.42 | wirre2 | hmm, did something stupid. ran apt-update and got a question about updating LILO somehow. answered yes and now my box wont boot. anybody know what question it was so I can find info about fixing it? |
| 18:46.54 | Vme | i want to change my resolution in X, is there a way to reconfigure the package so I can select different resolutions?? |
| 18:47.04 | PerfDave | Vme: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:47.10 | Segers_J | jair_11: put a sock in it. |
| 18:47.22 | darkcmd | Skaag, lol i see your post |
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| 18:47.28 | darkcmd | on the petition |
| 18:47.35 | Garp | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:47.36 | jair_11 | Phated, I am just trying to help the non-profit organization where a lot of IT works |
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| 18:47.50 | Phated | Don't look at me. Write apps that don't need shockwave. |
| 18:47.52 | jair_11 | Segers_J, what do you mean? |
| 18:47.59 | Phated | jair_11: He means shut up. |
| 18:48.00 | PerfDave | Or you could use SVG, which is an open W3C standard, rather than encouraging the use of propriatery binary code which is at the whim of Macromedia. |
| 18:48.20 | Segers_J | Vme: it may already be done, try ctrl-alt-<keypad+and-> |
| 18:48.46 | jair_11 | ok guys I am sorry |
| 18:49.06 | humbolt | more info on the udev raid problem found: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01681.html |
| 18:49.16 | Segers_J | jair_11: I mean you've already said it 4 times now, the people who will go there have already been. |
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| 18:49.45 | exobyte | dumb question- how can I use sed to turn newlines into spaces? |
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| 18:50.12 | jair_11 | but I am working and a organization non-profit and most of the educational games requeried not Flash player, but they require shokwave. I know is a crap, but I am am to new to write games on other languages to make them work in other thing that flash and sholwave. :( |
| 18:50.18 | prahal | PerfDave: well svg open source support is maybe worse than falsh one :( |
| 18:50.31 | jair_11 | ok |
| 18:50.34 | jair_11 | Thank you |
| 18:50.36 | jair_11 | ok |
| 18:50.38 | jair_11 | I am sorry |
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| 18:50.44 | Vme | hey, i have a crappy old compaq computer and I recently installed a WinTV card nexus-s, and it for some reason didn't recognize it when I installed... |
| 18:50.47 | panda | what is the compose key? |
| 18:50.55 | PerfDave | prahal: So improve it. |
| 18:51.00 | prahal | i you do extended svg use the close source adobe plugin ... |
| 18:51.10 | karsten | panda: Depends where you map it, but usually a "Windows" key on a PC104/105 keyboard. |
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| 18:51.26 | darkcmd | crap GNOPPIX went Ubuntu |
| 18:51.30 | prahal | PerfDave: ahah thanks i m struggling with fixing the cdrecord dma issue , please help |
| 18:51.34 | darkcmd | are there any debian based gnome live cds? |
| 18:51.38 | jair_11 | is because I was kind of frustrated how i will play those shokwave games? I have all Linux on my backend, that make me put wincrap on some of the computers on the network |
| 18:51.39 | Phated | Ubuntu? |
| 18:51.43 | prahal | though i found interesting patches in mm tree |
| 18:51.48 | panda | !compose |
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| 18:52.18 | Segers_J | panda: it allows you to make umlatted, and accented characters, and other characters for non-english languages. |
| 18:52.28 | prahal | jair_11: wine plays them well (i love the yeti and penguin game) |
| 18:53.00 | tatoo | people, i have a doubt about if the rules i've created for iptables is working or not. may i paste it here? there is a notebook w/ windows which don't have access to the internet, though i can ping it from my box (connected directly to the internet) |
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| 18:53.52 | PerfDave | jair_11: *shrug* If you want to support Linux, don't use Windows-only technologies. |
| 18:54.07 | prahal | tatoo: #flood , buit i would not do that in a public space |
| 18:54.07 | Phated | Amen. |
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| 18:54.29 | pureone | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.38 | tatoo | prahal: pvt? |
| 18:54.48 | prahal | tatoo: you need nat to give access to your lan computer to the internet (or a web proxy if you don't want to bother with learning nat) |
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| 18:54.58 | prahal | squid is a great web proxy |
| 18:55.15 | pureone | im getting kernel panics |
| 18:55.22 | neoXite | hello, i need help with formatting a floppy, i think my debian is missing a tool |
| 18:55.24 | pureone | how can i fix this? |
| 18:55.30 | pipeline | pureone: You don't have a valid /dev -- something's probably wrong with your initrd. |
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| 18:55.44 | pureone | hmmm |
| 18:55.56 | prahal | tatoo: well no i could not help you much , if you install the ipmasq package it will configure the thing automagically, maybe it is best to start with it , then learn what it does |
| 18:56.41 | tatoo | prahal: i do wanna learn nat...as i've been! ;) ). but right now i don't wanna be bothered by my aunt! so i should set things up here in order to give access to my lan (unfortunatelly i have only one computer right now) |
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| 18:56.57 | prahal | pureone: trying newer kernels , then if it does not help sending the oops message to the but tracking system |
| 18:57.06 | panda | karsten, how to use the compose key? |
| 18:57.26 | error3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.32 | karsten | panda: What do you want to use it for? |
| 18:57.36 | Segers_J | what's a good keyword to use with apt-cache search to find a programming IDE? |
| 18:57.38 | neoXite | i'm missing the mkfs.vfat builder, but i can't find it in the apt catalog |
| 18:57.42 | error3 | ooops |
| 18:57.43 | error3 | sorry |
| 18:57.49 | Phated | install dosfstools. |
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| 18:57.58 | neoXite | thanks, i'll try that |
| 18:58.13 | tatoo | prahal: i've already installed it....i remember i could use a notebook w/ debian and also ipmasq installed on it and it has worked. but not in this running win. |
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| 18:59.31 | SiChemist | I have a strange alsa problem. It was working fine until an update. Now, I have to run alsaconf and reload bttv after login. |
| 18:59.51 | exobyte | in c, how can I get the username of the user who's running the program? |
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| 19:01.16 | tatoo | prahal: i have ip dinamic so i must use DNAT for outside->inside right? |
| 19:01.37 | prahal | tatoo: well http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/debian-howto/ipmasq.html (setup) and http://www.suse.de/~mha/linux-ip-nat/diplom/nat.html (reference) are my bookshelves for nat |
| 19:01.47 | panda | karsten, to type in german ss for instance |
| 19:02.01 | jair_11 | thank you prahal and PerfDave . I did not mean I never mean do not use Linux tech and use win |
| 19:02.14 | jair_11 | I am just expresing a oppinion |
| 19:02.43 | prahal | tatoo: but i end up feeling squid was enough for my internat lan :) so i have not implemented masq at home (it is pretty tricky to to a godd secure nat masq ...) |
| 19:02.44 | jair_11 | if that people give us the shokwave like they gave us Flash will be great same as java |
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| 19:02.52 | karsten | panda: sec |
| 19:03.23 | karsten | panda: /join #flood |
| 19:03.29 | karsten | .join #flood |
| 19:03.50 | tatoo | prahal: i think i'm crazy: i got amazed by iptables capabilities but i can't make my lan works. :( |
| 19:03.57 | prahal | jair_11: well it did not gave you my opinion, i want free plugins, but i want xorg/cairo/dri for most cards first |
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| 19:04.08 | karsten | panda: ...and tell me when you get there |
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| 19:04.31 | jair_11 | prahal, what is xorg/cairo/dri for most cards first |
| 19:04.33 | jair_11 | ? |
| 19:04.52 | Xenguy | tatoo: FWIW, 'shorewall' bills itself as "iptables made easy" |
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| 19:05.13 | Skaag | I use shorewall, it's great stuff |
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| 19:05.30 | karsten | tatoo: I'll second shorewall. |
| 19:05.37 | sysdrum__ | what is the simple sound config command for deb? |
| 19:05.42 | Xenguy | Skaag: did you upgrade to 2.2 yet, and if so, any issues? |
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| 19:05.59 | karsten | tatoo: It's a set of template files you modify to suit. Basic config is pretty straightforward. I prefer shorewall to GUI FW builders. |
| 19:06.06 | prahal | jair_11: the middle/low video layer , all the great things are there but need manpower to become easy to maintain/easy to develop with (and stable for the user) |
| 19:06.14 | neoXite | thx alot, that worked for me! |
| 19:06.27 | Skaag | Xenguy: using 2.2 for a while, I think |
| 19:06.38 | tatoo | i'll take a look...thanks all! |
| 19:06.42 | SiChemist | sysdrum__: Do you mean alsaconf? |
| 19:06.45 | prahal | jair_11: in 2 years this will be done (if nuclear war does not happen in between) |
| 19:06.55 | Skaag | Xenguy: No issues - I just had to change the port 22 lines to AllowSSH ..., but if anything, it's made my rules file more readable |
| 19:06.56 | humbolt | how do I make mdadm use --auto? |
| 19:07.21 | Xenguy | Skaag: I'm gonna proceed with the upgrade - tx |
| 19:07.33 | sysdrum__ | si: the one to load the basic sound modules? |
| 19:07.48 | Skaag | Xenguy: Just take precautions if it's a remote box... :-) |
| 19:08.08 | Skaag | run a script that clears iptables every 20 minutes |
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| 19:08.13 | Skaag | or something like that |
| 19:08.25 | prahal | tatoo: why don't you install ipmasq and forget about it ? |
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| 19:08.28 | Xenguy | tatoo: read the main page of the shorewall web site. There's a 'quickstart' guide that you want to read (the shorewall documentation is very good BTW) |
| 19:08.40 | Xenguy | Skaag: np there |
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| 19:09.05 | SiChemist | sysdrum__: Are you using alsa? |
| 19:09.27 | sysdrum__ | sichemist: I tried sndconfig under root and it says command not found |
| 19:09.50 | drac | sysdrum__: you mean 'alsaconf' ? |
| 19:09.53 | SiChemist | sysdrum__: try alsaconf |
| 19:10.01 | sysdrum__ | it wont work either |
| 19:10.09 | sysdrum__ | says the same thing? |
| 19:10.16 | SiChemist | sysdrum__: What kernel are you using? |
| 19:10.18 | drac | sysdrum__: as root, it's in /usr/sbin |
| 19:10.23 | sysdrum__ | 2.2 |
| 19:10.28 | drac | heh |
| 19:10.35 | valdyn | !idepci |
| 19:10.35 | dpkg | 2.2.20-idepci makes Baby Tux cry. apt-get install kernel-image-2.2.20 or kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 or similar. You didn't read the final section of the install guide /msg dpkg install guide. Go read it before we laugh at you :) |
| 19:10.41 | jair_11 | prahal, wow cool |
| 19:11.00 | valdyn | !d-i sysdrum__ |
| 19:11.01 | dpkg | sysdrum__, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:11.02 | jair_11 | I wish to learn how to create a flash player or something like that but for linux |
| 19:11.05 | SiChemist | sysdrum__: you're prolly not using alsa then. |
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| 19:11.25 | jair_11 | I will need to study until I die, and that is what i will do |
| 19:11.27 | jair_11 | :) |
| 19:11.31 | jair_11 | guys |
| 19:11.35 | krygen | please help: im installing debian from a net inst. cd. the installer is at the kernel and driver modules phase. it's now asking for the directory that contains the file 'images-1.44/idepci/rescue.bin' it has a wizard where i manually load the file. I've checked the file on the cd on my windows box and it is there, but the inst. always tells me it can't find the file! can anyone help? i'd appreciate it |
| 19:11.39 | jetscreamer | jair_11, then you came to the right place |
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| 19:11.56 | panda | karsten, how to do it in tty? |
| 19:11.59 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, ;) |
| 19:12.01 | jetscreamer | !d-i krygen |
| 19:12.02 | dpkg | krygen, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:12.08 | jetscreamer | unless it's a server |
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| 19:12.19 | karsten | panda: ?? |
| 19:12.42 | sysdrum__ | si: what should I type to get the alsaconf to load up? |
| 19:12.42 | prahal | jair_11: you could look at gplflash cvs (they are the one that intend to the flash 7 player, though they will rewrite the whole thing from scratch). I read the mailing list and they seems pretty serious about it (and code is not that hard, if you know c it should be enough) |
| 19:12.45 | jetscreamer | krygen, that is a woody install right? |
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| 19:12.47 | krygen | sorry if it's an obvious question :( |
| 19:12.52 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I remember a extension on firefox that make the browser look like a internet Explorer to see some pages only availables for IE |
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| 19:13.12 | jetscreamer | jair_11, it's called set the string.. i forgot the name of the string |
| 19:13.18 | karsten | panda: _console_ mode? Not sure. GIYF. |
| 19:13.23 | panda | karsten, how to use compose key in tty? |
| 19:13.25 | jair_11 | prahal, thank you very much |
| 19:13.30 | prahal | jair_11: good code is easy to hack on (i find the kernel way easier to read than mozilla code ...) |
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| 19:13.43 | sysdrum__ | si: I am an old windows user so I am not sure of all the commands yet? |
| 19:13.47 | SiChemist | jetscreamer: User agent string |
| 19:13.50 | jair_11 | ohh ok |
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| 19:13.58 | prahal | jair_11: sadly it was windows only (it needs the ie libs and use them to render instead of gecko) |
| 19:14.01 | jair_11 | jetscreamer, I will google that |
| 19:14.11 | jetscreamer | !SiChemist++ |
| 19:14.13 | jair_11 | ohhh |
| 19:14.21 | prahal | jair_11: but again you can use wine for that |
| 19:14.25 | jair_11 | prahal, no problem |
| 19:14.35 | jair_11 | prahal, never use it before |
| 19:14.50 | prahal | are you in web devels ? |
| 19:14.51 | lanchow | is it safe to permit a user to install soft troughout apt with sudo ? |
| 19:14.58 | krygen | yes jet |
| 19:15.01 | jair_11 | it is hard I have wine here on this machine I try to use before to experiemnt and I was totally lost |
| 19:15.23 | jair_11 | prahal, nop I am try to make everything work for my Linux network at work |
| 19:15.31 | jair_11 | is the best way to convence the users. |
| 19:15.33 | Garp | lanchow: If you have control over the .deb pkgs (digital signatures) otherwise, no, of course. |
| 19:15.37 | jair_11 | starting from the kids |
| 19:15.40 | nvz | whoo boy, I am out of shape.. I went in to try do a few bench presses on my brother's weight bench, and i put about 125lbs on the bar and could barely even lift it up onto the bench.. heh |
| 19:15.41 | jair_11 | new generation |
| 19:15.49 | prahal | jair_11: use the apt repository from wine site (the debian one had not been maintained for a while) |
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| 19:16.19 | jetscreamer | krygen, if this is a server, the drivers disk is available via ftp... if it's a desktop/workstation, i think you should just use the d-i images... |
| 19:16.38 | lanchow | k |
| 19:16.44 | prahal | jair_11: you are advogating linux desktop or open source applications ? |
| 19:16.46 | jair_11 | prahal, the distro I have come with wine |
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| 19:17.05 | PerfDave | I never change my browser ID. If a site refuses to work with my browser, I take my business elsewhere and tell the webmaster that I've done so. |
| 19:17.07 | SiChemist | jair_11: You want to run IE under wine? |
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| 19:17.20 | prahal | jair_11: wine had more devels in the last 3 monthes than in the whole previous year |
| 19:17.46 | prahal | and this was the best wine year :) |
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| 19:18.02 | jair_11 | prahal, I am trying to advogate on Linux as a OS of networks organizations and companies in general, also some opensource application that i am knoledge on I will say both. |
| 19:18.04 | jair_11 | :) |
| 19:18.06 | krygen | jetscreamer: d-i stands for debian installer? |
| 19:18.14 | PerfDave | What does "advogate" mean? |
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| 19:18.30 | jair_11 | SiChemist, I do not say that is nothing on this world that I hate more than IE |
| 19:18.32 | jair_11 | please |
| 19:18.35 | jetscreamer | krygen, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/ <-- if you need em |
| 19:18.38 | krygen | btw, desktop/workstation |
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| 19:18.42 | jetscreamer | krygen, yes |
| 19:18.46 | takatumi | PerfDave: oh, it's not just me :) |
| 19:18.52 | jetscreamer | !tell krygen about d-i |
| 19:18.53 | Led_Zeppelin | i have a 2 harddrives on my system, the same exact size. I want to do a RAID 1. How do I do that? |
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| 19:18.59 | PerfDave | !dict advogate |
| 19:19.01 | SiChemist | jair_11:sorry misunderstood. |
| 19:19.03 | jair_11 | I am trying to run shokwave for some interactive games for the kids at my organization. |
| 19:19.08 | prahal | oups advocate (advogato is the name of the site that centralize document to advertise linux use) |
| 19:19.12 | jair_11 | SiChemist, np |
| 19:19.15 | jetscreamer | Led_Zeppelin, first you read up on it on tldp.org , ymmv |
| 19:19.16 | lanchow | Garp: you mean, if the packages .deb comes from a trusted source ? |
| 19:19.19 | jair_11 | SiChemist, ;) |
| 19:19.19 | takatumi | and wtf is shokwave?!? |
| 19:19.26 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 19:19.29 | jetscreamer | it's advocate |
| 19:19.39 | jair_11 | takatumi, nope |
| 19:19.49 | elirips | hello. is it possible to boot debian woody from a harddisk, and then load everything completly into ram, including the temp-disks, and then shut down the hd again (less noise), and let woody run out of the ram (512mb) as router? |
| 19:20.00 | takatumi | jair_11: that wasn't a yes/no question. |
| 19:20.02 | jetscreamer | krygen, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 19:20.08 | jair_11 | I could not run some game because I do not have that plugin for the kids at my non-profit organization |
| 19:20.25 | MattF | If I'm doing some shell scripting, are the command line arguments $1 $2 etc? |
| 19:20.32 | Garp | lanchow: yes. |
| 19:20.32 | MattF | ie ./shell.sh one two three |
| 19:20.46 | MattF | $1 = one $2 = two $3 = three |
| 19:20.49 | pureone | i think it starts at $0 mattf |
| 19:20.50 | leandro | oi |
| 19:20.54 | MattF | aha! |
| 19:20.59 | leandro | como meche com isso? |
| 19:21.08 | pureone | but dont take my word for it |
| 19:21.09 | krygen | so, excuse my n00bness, but can i continue to use the net installer i'm using now and just point the installer to the images-1.44 folder on ftp you pointed me to, or should i completely start over with the fill debian d-i? |
| 19:21.10 | Garp | lanchow: but I'm not usre it's easy to conscrinct by sources |
| 19:21.11 | leandro | ola |
| 19:21.20 | leandro | oi |
| 19:21.21 | krygen | full* |
| 19:21.22 | dannyp | no |
| 19:21.29 | leandro | ola |
| 19:21.30 | dannyp | it's just like argv |
| 19:21.31 | leandro | ola |
| 19:21.33 | SiChemist | I thought $0 was the path to the current application |
| 19:21.40 | leandro | oi |
| 19:21.41 | prahal | MattF: yes man bash is great to learn bash look for "positional parameters" |
| 19:21.45 | darkcmd | does the installer ask for the video cards bus identifer by default? |
| 19:21.47 | dannyp | $0 is how the script is being invoked |
| 19:21.54 | dannyp | typically, the filename of the script |
| 19:22.03 | prahal | $0 is the name of the invoked script |
| 19:22.18 | jair_11 | takatumi, I am sorry I just wanted to know if was possible to run that plugin on Linux but I ca not: "shokwave" |
| 19:22.23 | jair_11 | but is ok |
| 19:22.26 | jair_11 | forget about it |
| 19:22.38 | darkcmd | what do I put for my video cards bus identifier |
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| 19:22.58 | PerfDave | darkcmd: As it *tells* you, leave it blank unless you have multiple cards. |
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| 19:23.07 | PerfDave | darkcmd: Or you're installing on PPC or something. |
| 19:23.19 | jetscreamer | krygen, you can do it either way, but imo you'll be happier using the netinstall of sarge |
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| 19:23.49 | darkcmd | what if I have intergrated... and pci |
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| 19:24.04 | jetscreamer | krygen, you'll be wanting to go sarge probably anyway, so would be downloading more than you need (woody and then eventually sarge) if you use the woody installer |
| 19:24.10 | PerfDave | darkcmd: If you have integrated video, and a PCI video card, then you have multiple video cards. |
| 19:24.23 | PerfDave | krygen: Beat in mind that Sarge has no security updates |
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| 19:25.01 | humbolt | is it possible to use mdadm for raid devices that were created with raidtools2? |
| 19:25.02 | sussudio | !beat PerfDave |
| 19:25.09 | Farhan | i'm trying to install debian on a pent 233 mhz with 32 mb ram computer and it says somethin bout how the harddrive can't be partitioned. installation step failed |
| 19:25.26 | jetscreamer | oh krygen and if those arent the bf24 floppies you would want different driver floppies |
| 19:25.27 | krygen | ok, so i'll d/l the sarge iso and just run that for the installation, and then i won't have this problem? |
| 19:25.33 | sussudio | Farhan: so? |
| 19:25.35 | takatumi | sussudio: honest dude, did get a twitch for that. |
| 19:25.36 | Farhan | should i delete my first linux distro |
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| 19:25.45 | Farhan | before i install debian? |
| 19:25.45 | jetscreamer | Farhan, hit esc, back out of that section, then reenter it |
| 19:25.49 | PerfDave | !beat sussudio |
| 19:25.51 | leandro | oi |
| 19:25.55 | Farhan | k |
| 19:25.56 | pipeline | Farhan: You're going to have to be more specific. |
| 19:25.57 | SiChemist | darkcmd: Are you using both card? Because the easiest thing might be disableing the integrated video in the bios. |
| 19:25.59 | leandro | oi |
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| 19:26.20 | celsob | cole |
| 19:26.20 | Farhan | let me try something |
| 19:26.22 | jetscreamer | Farhan, if what you have is the same as what i had, that should work for you |
| 19:26.22 | Farhan | ... |
| 19:26.30 | Farhan | hmm |
| 19:26.32 | Farhan | hold |
| 19:26.35 | leandro | cara isso é muito loko |
| 19:26.43 | davi | Any player to watch VMV extensions? |
| 19:26.46 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 19:26.46 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:26.50 | davi | WMV |
| 19:26.51 | celsob | d+ |
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| 19:26.53 | jetscreamer | wmv? yes |
| 19:26.57 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to setup RAID, afer your OS is installed? |
| 19:26.59 | davi | yes |
| 19:27.00 | pucko | anyone know if there's a "eBook" reader that can read these special eBook pdf files? In windows the newer versions of acrobat reader includes it. |
| 19:27.04 | leandro | como uso debian br |
| 19:27.07 | resiak | !br |
| 19:27.07 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:27.14 | aeromax | hey, im having a little bit of a problem with getting my swap partition working |
| 19:27.19 | jetscreamer | aviplay davi |
| 19:27.21 | aeromax | im trying mkswap but i get this |
| 19:27.26 | kawaiikun1 | does anyone know how i could build kernel headers based on a patched kernel source/image? |
| 19:27.27 | davi | thanks jetscreamer |
| 19:27.29 | aeromax | root@DebianT40:/home/aeromax# mkswap /dev/hda6 |
| 19:27.29 | aeromax | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 524251 kB |
| 19:27.29 | aeromax | no label, UUID=b49b607d-8c70-4615-a495-65729453bd7f |
| 19:27.30 | jetscreamer | aeromax, mkswap -v1 blah |
| 19:27.32 | krygen | is sarge unstable? |
| 19:27.33 | celsob | vei essa Mara tem maior peitão |
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| 19:27.35 | humbolt | prahal: do you know if it is possible to use raid devs with mdadm that were created with raidtools2? |
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| 19:27.39 | CaKoRt | hi |
| 19:27.45 | jetscreamer | krygen, no not really |
| 19:27.48 | aeromax | jetscreamer: -v1? |
| 19:27.51 | takatumi | krygen: /msg dpkg releases |
| 19:27.52 | humbolt | Led_Zeppelin: yes and no |
| 19:27.58 | jetscreamer | aeromax, yeah |
| 19:28.01 | celsob | vei essa Mara tem maior peitão |
| 19:28.05 | paulswm | aeromax: and? |
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| 19:28.15 | aeromax | root@DebianT40:/home/aeromax# mkswap -v1 /dev/hda6 |
| 19:28.15 | aeromax | Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 524251 kB |
| 19:28.16 | aeromax | no label, UUID=1f9ea464-f9f4-4055-a08c-fc4d057afcf8 |
| 19:28.24 | Led_Zeppelin | humbolt: how do you do the "no" way? |
| 19:28.25 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 19:28.29 | celsob | ola |
| 19:28.31 | pipeline | humbolt: Yes, but it's not as useful as the other way around. |
| 19:28.32 | jetscreamer | looks same |
| 19:28.41 | aeromax | yea i dont think it did it |
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| 19:28.49 | aeromax | i think the swap partition has to be primary right? |
| 19:28.55 | paulswm | aeromax: no |
| 19:28.56 | Farhan | yh |
| 19:28.57 | davi | jetscreamer, There is not an aviplay package. Maybe another name? |
| 19:28.59 | jetscreamer | not sure don't think so |
| 19:29.02 | kawaiikun1 | i need to build a module, but my kernel headers do not match my kernel image/source, and i need to build the headers based upon the source...can anyone help me with that? |
| 19:29.15 | paulswm | aeromax: it can even be an LVM logical volume |
| 19:29.26 | aeromax | i dont think mkswap is doing anything because my comp isnt using any of hte swap space |
| 19:29.31 | jetscreamer | davi apt-cache search avi or wmv maybe |
| 19:29.43 | aeromax | it use to but i was moving the partitions around nad now i have space set out |
| 19:29.44 | jetscreamer | aeromax, swapon -a if it's in fstab |
| 19:29.46 | humbolt | pipeline: I just read, that mdadm is better than raidtools2 and however it is the standard raid tool in sarge, n'est pas? |
| 19:29.52 | paulswm | aeromax: wah does 'swapon -s' say |
| 19:29.57 | paulswm | what |
| 19:30.00 | green_earz | kawaiikun1: it look like you need to roll your own kernel image |
| 19:30.08 | takatumi | kawaiikun1: install the right headers, upgrade the kernel-image if the headers ain't there, or compile from source |
| 19:30.08 | aeromax | n |
| 19:30.15 | davi | thanks jetscreamer |
| 19:30.18 | aeromax | root@DebianT40:/home/aeromax# swapon -s |
| 19:30.18 | aeromax | root@DebianT40:/home/aeromax# |
| 19:30.19 | humbolt | Led_Zeppelin: you do not do the no way |
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| 19:30.29 | jetscreamer | man swapon |
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| 19:30.31 | pipeline | humbolt: mdadm is much nicer than raidtools, yes. |
| 19:30.38 | Led_Zeppelin | humbolt: well, I really don't want to loose my data |
| 19:30.41 | paulswm | aeromax: what jetscreamer said |
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| 19:30.47 | pipeline | humbolt: They both use the same kernel interfaces and shit, mdadm is just much nicer to deal with :) |
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| 19:30.54 | omlette | is there any way to rename 'computer' and 'user's home' (gnome)? the latter has the option on right click but wont change |
| 19:31.10 | jetscreamer | aeromax, mkswap just 'formats' the swapspace |
| 19:31.10 | green_earz | kawaiikun1: the debian way of compiling your kernel is more straight forward and automated than the manual way |
| 19:31.17 | sysdrum__ | okay I get this error when I restart my sound server "error while intializing the sound driver device/dsp can't be opened |
| 19:31.34 | sysdrum__ | access denied |
| 19:31.39 | sysdrum__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.46 | omlette | i get that too sysdrum, what card do you have |
| 19:31.49 | omlette | soundblaster audigy 2 for me |
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| 19:31.55 | humbolt | pipeline: why did you say then it makes more sense to migrate mdadm devs to raidtools2? |
| 19:32.01 | PerfDave | sysdrum__: Do you have the right drivers loaded for your sound? If you're using ALSA, do you have OSS emulation? |
| 19:32.05 | aeromax | root@DebianT40:/home/aeromax# swapon -a |
| 19:32.05 | aeromax | swapon: /dev/hda2: No such device or address |
| 19:32.11 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.15 | aeromax | dev/hda6 is the swap |
| 19:32.18 | sysdrum__ | I have a laptop |
| 19:32.20 | pipeline | humbolt: I didn't. |
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| 19:32.37 | sysdrum__ | how do i fix it? |
| 19:32.46 | humbolt | Led_Zeppelin: the YES way would be to shrink your partition and setup a raid on the rest of the disk, if there is any space left and then copy the data over. |
| 19:33.03 | sysdrum__ | I tried running sndconfig and alsaconf? and even ran modconf? |
| 19:33.22 | Led_Zeppelin | humbolt: huh? why would I need extra space? its a 1 to 1 mirror |
| 19:33.27 | takatumi | just add the right modules to /etc/modules and be done with it. |
| 19:33.27 | pipeline | humbolt: I said that you don't really gain much from using the mdadm tools with things created by raidtools, because some mdadm features depend upon things mdadm does when it creates the RAID, whereas everything you can do with raidtools to a raidtools-created setup you can do to an mdadm-created one. |
| 19:34.01 | sysdrum__ | I have no clue what the sound card is? |
| 19:34.12 | aeromax | Disk /dev/hda: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes |
| 19:34.12 | aeromax | 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 155061 cylinders |
| 19:34.12 | aeromax | Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes |
| 19:34.13 | aeromax | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:34.13 | takatumi | sysdrum__: lspci |
| 19:34.14 | sysdrum__ | what module |
| 19:34.19 | aeromax | /dev/hda1 * 1 100545 50674648+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 19:34.19 | aeromax | /dev/hda3 134896 155055 10160640 83 Linux |
| 19:34.21 | aeromax | /dev/hda4 100546 134895 17312400 5 Extended |
| 19:34.23 | aeromax | /dev/hda5 100546 133880 16800368+ 83 Linux |
| 19:34.24 | pappy- | /c |
| 19:34.25 | aeromax | /dev/hda6 133880 134895 511968+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 19:34.26 | takatumi | aeromax: stop! |
| 19:34.29 | aeromax | sorry |
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| 19:35.25 | sussudio | he's running fucking kanotix too |
| 19:35.32 | sysdrum__ | okay it gave me an error about 64 bit unable to read |
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| 19:35.52 | humbolt | pipeline: what is superior in mdadm? |
| 19:35.59 | aeromax | sussudio: whose running kanotix? |
| 19:36.01 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.03 | sussudio | aeromax: you |
| 19:36.13 | aeromax | susudio: how did u figure htat out |
| 19:36.20 | pipeline | humbolt: Look at it for yourself. |
| 19:37.07 | humbolt | Led_Zeppelin: As far as I know you can't convert a normal partition to a raid partition, don't ask me why. pipeline might know?! |
| 19:37.19 | Xenguy | aeromax: first, is it true? ;-) |
| 19:37.41 | aeromax | Xenguy: im running kanotix installed to hd |
| 19:37.56 | aeromax | you chekced what channels i was logged into? |
| 19:38.01 | resiak | !kanotix |
| 19:38.01 | dpkg | KANOTIX is a Linux Live CD based on Knoppix technology using Debian/sid. The included XFree86 is from Debian/experimental. The main specs are: GRUB based startup from CD, ACPI support, DMA default on, additional support for DSL modems (Fritz!Card DSL and Eagle USB), optimal for HD install (you get a working Debian/sid install in about 10 minutes!), no SMP kernel ... |
| 19:38.05 | pipeline | humbolt: It's easy to move from a regular partition to RAID-1. |
| 19:38.07 | humbolt | pipeline: but could I deinstall raidtools2 and install mdadm and reboot my system and it would work? |
| 19:38.09 | resiak | :| |
| 19:38.19 | paulswm | aeromax: Bye bye |
| 19:38.27 | pipeline | humbolt: Almost. |
| 19:38.28 | Farhan | how do i use fdisk instead of this gui crap? |
| 19:38.44 | Farhan | i can't figure out how to make my own swap stuff and its not letting me open fdisk |
| 19:38.52 | Farhan | in the normall debin instll |
| 19:38.55 | Farhan | install |
| 19:39.01 | pipeline | humbolt: mdadm usually autodetects RAID filesystems using signatures it writes to disk when it creates them. It doesn't read the raidtools config file. So you would have to install mdadm, use it to generate a config file for boot-time, and then try it. |
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| 19:39.10 | humbolt | Led_Zeppelin: ah, well, yes, you can create a raid with just one disk, then copy the data and finally add the first one to the array, right? |
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| 19:39.31 | Led_Zeppelin | humbolt: i don't know, thats why I am asking. |
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| 19:39.34 | aeromax | so can neone help me make this into swap? |
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| 19:39.44 | resiak | aeromax: Kanotix is not Debian. Go to #kanotix |
| 19:39.55 | aeromax | resiak: it install debian sid |
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| 19:40.02 | aeromax | how is that not the same thing |
| 19:40.05 | Shadur | aeromax: No it doesn't. |
| 19:40.10 | humbolt | I was asking pipeline, sorry. But that should be possibel, I read it somewhere |
| 19:40.17 | aeromax | Shadur: whats different |
| 19:40.24 | Shadur | It installs packages from sid over its own install. That's what causes the breakages and fuckups. |
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| 19:40.31 | Farhan | how dome i can'y open fdisk with my /devv/hda? |
| 19:40.33 | Farhan | come? |
| 19:40.36 | Farhan | its stupid |
| 19:40.52 | prahal | pucko: is your pdf a pda formatted one ? |
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| 19:41.45 | resiak | While installing Sarge, I'm getting a kernel panic when making a filesystem. I don't think that it's specifically d-i related, although to be honest I can't really tell. I've tried a different hard drive, various different filesystem types and sizes, and the same problem occures with them all. The motherboard is an Asus P4GE-MX, with an Intel 845GE northbridge. Where should I start in trying to make this work? |
| 19:41.47 | usn | hi all |
| 19:42.08 | stew | dpkg; kanotix =~ s_, optimal for HD install (you get a working Debian/sid install in about 10 minutes!)__ |
| 19:42.16 | Rocco | hey guys! has anyone gdesklets running? |
| 19:42.18 | stew | dpkg: kanotix =~ s_, optimal for HD install (you get a working Debian/sid install in about 10 minutes!)__ |
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| 19:42.33 | stew | hrm |
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| 19:42.54 | Shadur | dpkg, forget kanotix |
| 19:42.54 | dpkg | i forgot kanotix, Shadur |
| 19:42.55 | humbolt | pipeline: and how would I generate a mdadm config file for boot-time without destroying my raid? |
| 19:43.02 | Shadur | stew: Was that what you wanted? |
| 19:43.08 | stew | not exactly |
| 19:43.08 | pipeline | humbolt: Install mdadm and generate the config as you normally would. |
| 19:43.59 | humbolt | pipeline: with the --create option? |
| 19:44.06 | pipeline | humbolt: --create creates a new array. |
| 19:44.12 | pipeline | humbolt: read the documentation. |
| 19:44.26 | krygen | jetscreamer: you know the ftp you pointed me to? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/ why do i need these files if they're already on the inst. cd that i'm using? |
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| 19:45.10 | krygen | i mean, i guess i need them becuause the installer cannot access the rescue.bin on the cd, but... |
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| 19:45.48 | pipeline | humbolt: I'm not going to accept blame if something goes horribly wrong, but you should just be able to use the output of "mdadm --detail --scan" as the configuration file. |
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| 19:46.43 | pipeline | humbolt: I can't tell you because I don't actually have an mdadm.conf -- I rely on mdadm's ability to autodetect arrays that it created. |
| 19:47.20 | SiChemist | resiak: Have you tried to make a filesystem on that machine with a live cd of some kind? I would try that. |
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| 19:47.47 | humbolt | so I do not issue mkraid /dev/md0 and I do not have to setup a /etc/raidtab? |
| 19:48.23 | resiak | SiChemist: Working on it. |
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| 19:50.03 | jeferson | <aleria> <ola> |
| 19:50.41 | deadline | who is working on the debian/kfreebsd project? |
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| 19:50.57 | Farhan | ok the partitioning thing is very easy |
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| 19:50.59 | Farhan | hahaha |
| 19:51.07 | Farhan | i just did it manually |
| 19:51.33 | Farhan | question if i add a network card later after i install it can i do a netsetup? |
| 19:51.38 | Farhan | or something |
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| 19:52.06 | Rocco | anybody here, using gdesklets? |
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| 19:52.15 | Shadur | Not any more. |
| 19:52.25 | Shadur | gleaklets, more like. Unless they fixed that recently. |
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| 19:52.29 | krygen | i just don't understand. to install woody i need a certain set of files, including rescue.bin. I have a netsetup cd with these files on it. But when i tell the installer that the files are on the cd and point it to them, it tells me it cannot find rescue.bin |
| 19:53.00 | humbolt | pipeline: but shouldn't the autodetect feature work as well for my raidtools2 devices. I created them as RAIDAUTODETECT. |
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| 19:53.03 | Farhan | how do i net setup when i install a new network card later? |
| 19:53.06 | Farhan | ? |
| 19:53.06 | jeferson | alguem q fala portugues |
| 19:53.09 | Farhan | or can't i |
| 19:53.24 | mrhemlock | where are documents about building realtime extensions to kernel ? |
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| 19:53.45 | Rocco | Shadur: did you use it? |
| 19:54.03 | YamahaRx800 | how can you switch file formats in the termanal (songs) |
| 19:54.08 | chealer | !tell jeferson about pt |
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| 19:54.22 | Shadur | Rocco: Not recently. |
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| 19:54.37 | Shadur | Rocco: You might get a more useful answer if you asked a more useful question. |
| 19:54.44 | paulswm | !br jeferson |
| 19:54.45 | Rocco | shadur may you help me anyway :) |
| 19:54.46 | humbolt | Led_Zeppelin: Do it like that: http://www.cargal.org/drupal/node.php?id=315 |
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| 19:55.11 | calin | !br |
| 19:55.11 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:55.26 | Shadur | Rocco: Actually, your prevaricating without getting to the poing and asking your actual question is rapidly eroding my interest in this discussion. |
| 19:55.35 | humbolt | there should be several HOWTOs out there for your task. |
| 19:55.41 | pipeline | humbolt: I have no idea, I haven't used raidtools in a long time. I believe the uuid signature is mdadm-specific. |
| 19:55.44 | Farhan | this is a serious question. lol |
| 19:55.46 | Rocco | Shadur: here my problem: /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainquit is deprecated, use gtk.main_quit instead self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning) |
| 19:55.49 | pipeline | humbolt: Install mdadm and try it. |
| 19:56.00 | Farhan | uh can i do a netconfig when i put a nic in my serverbox? |
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| 19:56.03 | Farhan | ? |
| 19:56.04 | Farhan | or no |
| 19:56.09 | Rocco | shadur, this appears when i start gdesklets in conlsole |
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| 19:56.13 | skTrdie | hello! |
| 19:56.16 | YamahaRx800 | how can you switch song formats in the termanal? |
| 19:56.17 | skTrdie | man this room is filled |
| 19:56.25 | green_earz | Farhan: here a very large howto on net work set up may be of help http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
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| 19:56.41 | Farhan | k |
| 19:56.50 | YamahaRx800 | ? |
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| 19:57.10 | Shadur | Rocco: Sounds like whoever wrote that particular desklet was using an old and deprecated API. I still don't see an actual problem, though - that's merely a warning and unless whoever wrote that is incompetent, it'll be fixed soon enough. |
| 19:57.27 | skTrdie | guys |
| 19:57.35 | skTrdie | i have an Apple PowerBook |
| 19:57.40 | skTrdie | should i install debian on it? |
| 19:57.51 | apnea | skTrdie: heh |
| 19:57.57 | Oryn | has anyone here got bigsister to work on debian? |
| 19:58.03 | apnea | skTrdie: of course you should :) |
| 19:58.14 | humbolt | pipeline: I might, the problem is, the machine is 6000 miles away. The reason for the change is that I would want udev to work and the only way to make it work with raid, seems to be mdadm --auto |
| 19:58.18 | paulswm | skTrdie: Entirely your decision |
| 19:58.19 | apnea | !powerbook |
| 19:58.24 | skTrdie | basically ive been using Mac all my life |
| 19:58.30 | skTrdie | its still UNIX |
| 19:58.34 | YamahaRx800 | How can you swich song formats in the termanal????????????? |
| 19:58.43 | colonelpanic001 | ...song formats? |
| 19:58.43 | pipeline | humbolt: mdadm doesn't work correctly with udev. |
| 19:58.50 | Rocco | shadur, on booting i get an error, something with i2c_sensor.... |
| 19:58.52 | skTrdie | but i would like to try linux... eheh a NOOB question |
| 19:58.52 | apnea | termanal? |
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| 19:59.00 | pipeline | humbolt: You have to mangle the udev configuration files. Stay the hell away from udev, especially if the machine is 6000 miles away |
| 19:59.02 | YamahaRx800 | like mp3 to ogg |
| 19:59.13 | chealer | Rocco: what's your lm-sensors version? |
| 19:59.16 | apnea | skTrdie: try a live CD? |
| 19:59.21 | colonelpanic001 | not sure. I'm sure there a program for it, though, YamahaRx800 |
| 19:59.21 | SiChemist | sktrdie: You should try out a live cd first. |
| 19:59.22 | pipeline | humbolt: Stick to devfs or static dev. Much less troublesome. |
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| 19:59.40 | apnea | skTrdie: you can try a live CD without installing I mean. have you tried it? |
| 19:59.42 | skTrdie | live CD? |
| 19:59.46 | skTrdie | nope :/ |
| 19:59.48 | green_earz | skTrdie: here a link for the sarge net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050304/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso i prefer the current versions |
| 20:00.00 | SiChemist | YamahaRx800: man sox |
| 20:00.02 | pipeline | humbolt: Actually, mdadm was what made me give up entirely on udev. Making udev work with mdadm filesystems was more trouble than using static /dev. I went back to devfs and I haven't looked at udev since. |
| 20:00.08 | apnea | skTrdie: #knopppiix#morphix etc |
| 20:00.17 | apnea | skTrdie: er #knoppix |
| 20:00.18 | YamahaRx800 | man sox?? |
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| 20:00.34 | humbolt | pipeline: There is the --auto option now for that reason. |
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| 20:00.46 | skTrdie | green_earz: does are for i386 |
| 20:00.58 | green_earz | sorry |
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| 20:01.09 | python | hi everyone |
| 20:01.16 | humbolt | pipeline: and another solution seems to be to copy the static md dev files to /etc/udev/devices |
| 20:01.17 | apnea | hi |
| 20:01.17 | pureone | hi |
| 20:01.19 | YamahaRx800 | ????????????? |
| 20:01.33 | python | has anyone used xandros? |
| 20:01.33 | skTrdie | apnea: ??? |
| 20:01.34 | pipeline | humbolt: Yeah, screw that. Especially on a colo server. It's your funural. |
| 20:01.44 | python | i am wondering what you all think of that |
| 20:01.54 | Rocco | hey guys! what could be wrong, when i2c_sensor couldn't be loadet on startup |
| 20:02.01 | SiChemist | YamahaRx800: Read the man page for sox. It converts many sound formats including the ones you ask about. |
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| 20:02.06 | pureone | only used knoppix kanotix debian and suse |
| 20:02.08 | pipeline | python: It's yet another debian fork, and it sucks. Ask #xandros about xandros, we don't give a shit. |
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| 20:02.14 | chealer | !xandros |
| 20:02.14 | dpkg | i guess xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
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| 20:02.27 | pureone | lol ^^ |
| 20:02.32 | python | i was just wondering if anyone has tryed it |
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| 20:02.40 | green_earz | skTrdie: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ?? |
| 20:02.41 | pipeline | python: Does this look like #xandros? |
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| 20:02.44 | DaveNotik | Hi all! I just installed Debian on my laptop... my first real personal Linux experience. |
| 20:02.53 | valentinos | xandrox is the old corel ? |
| 20:03.04 | Glanzmann | Hello; I think there was a virtual package which installs all packages to be able to compile a linux kernel. Does somebody know the name of that package? |
| 20:03.11 | krygen | davenotik, how did you install it? |
| 20:03.11 | DaveNotik | ...and I have some questions. |
| 20:03.18 | chealer | valentinos: yes I think. check wikipedia |
| 20:03.21 | DaveNotik | I installed Sarge, as there was a netinst available -- bad choice? |
| 20:03.22 | krygen | net installer? |
| 20:03.22 | skTrdie | apnea: but i mean, i come from a simple easy to use Mac OS X... |
| 20:03.29 | mwilson | And eventually he'll get around to asking htem. |
| 20:03.34 | pipeline | DaveNotik: Sarge was probably what you wanted anyway. |
| 20:03.41 | Rocco | chealer moment please |
| 20:03.44 | prahal | DaveNotik: great ! please report it to the debina-installer team , laptop are quite hard to support that s great news |
| 20:03.55 | skTrdie | i tried installing YEllowDog on my powerbook |
| 20:03.57 | humbolt | pipeline: I wont do it on the colo server, but try it locally. However, why screw that? Is it proven to be a bad solution or a non working one or was that only ment as a warning? |
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| 20:04.04 | DaveNotik | Cool! =) |
| 20:04.12 | python | i know that everyone at #xandros is going to love is, and my curent favorit os is debian so that why i was just wondering what peaple with my same tast in os think of it |
| 20:04.20 | Glanzmann | prahal: Installing a Laptop using Sarge is peace of cake, thanks to the new installer. |
| 20:04.22 | Rocco | chealer, how can i see the version? but i think it must be the newest, as i installed gdesklets yesterday |
| 20:04.25 | skTrdie | but the Graphic card wasnt compatible, and i couldnt watch movies ecc.. |
| 20:04.30 | Glanzmann | I didn't even used an install media. |
| 20:04.30 | python | thats why i am asking |
| 20:04.32 | SiChemist | skTrdie: Here's a good place to check out livecds: http://www.livecdlist.com/index.php?pick=Linux_PPC |
| 20:04.36 | green_earz | Glanzmann: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 20:04.40 | pipeline | humbolt: That's more inconvenient than using a static dev in the first place. I am utterly convinced that udev is the *wrong* thing in general. It's as broken as devfs without being even close to as useful. |
| 20:04.44 | Glanzmann | green_earz: Thanks |
| 20:04.46 | apnea | skTrdie: you can download and bun gnoppix powerpc Live CD and try linus without installing it. |
| 20:04.59 | green_earz | np |
| 20:05.00 | apnea | skTrdie: r/bun/burn |
| 20:05.08 | apnea | skTrdie: s/linus/linux |
| 20:05.21 | chealer | python: I only seen a presentation of 2.0, and it looked more candy than debian. probably better for linux newbies. but if you'Re already using debian, I recommend you not to switch to xandros |
| 20:05.23 | skTrdie | :P |
| 20:05.25 | DaveNotik | So I'm at a command prompt, and I really want a visual experience. :-P |
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| 20:05.33 | DaveNotik | I want to install KDE. |
| 20:05.34 | valentinos | i install debian on a toshiba portege tablet only the card reader and the touch screen didnt work out of the box |
| 20:05.41 | prahal | Glanzmann: i was thinking acpi/pcmcia issues (kernel related things not really the installer) |
| 20:05.51 | krygen | wait, when installing debian, do you need to burn the iso to a CD-RW? |
| 20:05.51 | DaveNotik | I logged in as a regular user and tried an apt-get for x window system. |
| 20:05.56 | humbolt | pipeline: I believe, creating device files should not be done by a userspace daemon in the first place |
| 20:05.58 | Glanzmann | prahal: Most laptops have onboard NICs these days. |
| 20:06.01 | skTrdie | apnea: how does a live CD work.. |
| 20:06.05 | green_earz | DaveNotik: have you got the server set up ? |
| 20:06.06 | Glanzmann | And even my pcmcia was working out of the box. |
| 20:06.09 | skTrdie | emulation of the desktop? |
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| 20:06.14 | skTrdie | cuz i already seen Linux... |
| 20:06.15 | jeferson | it can teach to mecher to me with this ? |
| 20:06.15 | mwilson | humbolt: TPTB don't agree with you. |
| 20:06.16 | prahal | didn't the debian newsletter asked for more reports about installation with the new installer (successful too) ? |
| 20:06.21 | DaveNotik | But permission denied, I think I need to be an administrator. |
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| 20:06.29 | green_earz | DaveNotik: sorry xserver |
| 20:06.34 | Russo017 | hey guys i messed up during install i need a way to edit my /etc/fstab |
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| 20:06.37 | apnea | skTrdie: it boots from cd drive and presents you a real linux desktop |
| 20:06.39 | Russo017 | can i do it from grub |
| 20:06.44 | pipeline | humbolt: The LKML folks seem to think it's the best thing since sliced bread. It amazes me that every other UNIX system considers this a solved problem, and yet it's a major subject of debate for Linux. |
| 20:07.04 | apnea | Russo017: boot in single user mode? |
| 20:07.07 | humbolt | TPTB? |
| 20:07.08 | paulswm | DaveNotik: You have to use apt-get as root |
| 20:07.09 | Rocco | chealer, its the newest version |
| 20:07.30 | green_earz | DaveNotik: you are best to get xserver up and runing then install kde |
| 20:07.30 | valdyn | Russo017: no, but you can do it from your installation disk |
| 20:07.30 | Russo017 | yea |
| 20:07.30 | Russo017 | thats wut i just thought of |
| 20:07.30 | mwilson | pipeline: Don't go there... most other *nix do it the way Linux is going. |
| 20:07.30 | humbolt | pipeline: how did the other unix systems solve that? |
| 20:07.52 | Russo017 | do i have to mount anything |
| 20:07.52 | Glanzmann | Thanks for the help. |
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| 20:07.52 | prahal | valdyn: and in emergency mode too ( -b at the kernel prompt) |
| 20:07.52 | DaveNotik | green_earz, I'm new. :) What is that and how? |
| 20:07.52 | jeferson | lililililil |
| 20:07.52 | Glanzmann | ler |
| 20:07.52 | chealer | Rocco: so 1:2.9.0-14? |
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| 20:07.59 | Xander | hello al |
| 20:08.01 | Xander | al* |
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| 20:08.06 | humbolt | pipeline: creating device files by hand can't be it? how does macosx do it? |
| 20:08.08 | prahal | though you won't have vi ... |
| 20:08.10 | Xander | got a bit of a problem |
| 20:08.11 | Russo017 | how would i do it? nano-w /etc/fstab or like nano-w /dev/hda3/etc/fstab |
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| 20:08.19 | mwilson | humbolt: With a user-space daemon. |
| 20:08.26 | Rocco | yes, if a apt-get, it says that the newest is installed, chealer |
| 20:08.30 | green_earz | DaveNotik: so you have installed a command line system only ?? up to now ? |
| 20:08.31 | prahal | humbolt: macos is packaged with the hardware ... |
| 20:08.40 | DaveNotik | Yes, the base Debian sarge netinst... |
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| 20:08.51 | pipeline | humbolt: MacOS doesn't have to worry about it because it's a mach kernel. Hardware access works differently in-kernel. |
| 20:09.01 | humbolt | pipeline: other unices (other than macos) might not have to deal much with hotplug devs |
| 20:09.01 | Russo017 | shit |
| 20:09.02 | pipeline | humbolt: FreeBSD and Solaris handle it with in-kernel devfs. |
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| 20:09.03 | Thargor | are ther captive ntfs .debs existing? |
| 20:09.04 | Russo017 | i just realized |
| 20:09.04 | kawaiikun1 | green_earz: i think my kernel image is fine, but my kernel headers don't match the patched version of my kernel....i don't even know if that's the problem, but modconf gives me errors, and modprobe does too....FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-kawaiikune-1.0/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 20:09.05 | Xander | if some one is free to help me with debian could they please pm me so |
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| 20:09.08 | Xander | if some one is free to help me with debian could they please pm me so |
| 20:09.09 | mwilson | prahal,pipeline: Yes, but it still does dynamic device creation. |
| 20:09.18 | Russo017 | i just realized this isnt the gentoo channel LOL! |
| 20:09.20 | valentinos | ok why they dont use anaconda for installer i always wonder.... more people will come with debian. even if the new installer is great. it scares alot of people |
| 20:09.25 | omry_ | I am trying to install lirc, and it fails to build the source module because of a missing "Rules.make" in the kernel source dir. whats that? |
| 20:09.26 | chealer | Rocco: ok, I guess your problem is you don't have time to note the entire message? |
| 20:09.29 | mwilson | Isn't captive NTFS a dead project? I thought I saw that somewhere. |
| 20:09.29 | pipeline | mwilson: Nevertheless, the technical issues are different. Their solution is less relevant to our problem. |
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| 20:09.42 | pipeline | mwilson: It relies upon totally unmaintained forks of software that hardly anyone uses. |
| 20:09.47 | pipeline | So yes, in effect, it is dead. |
| 20:09.52 | paulswm | DaveNotik: please do not /msg me, ask everyone in open channel |
| 20:10.01 | Rocco | chealer, the error-message on booting you mean? |
| 20:10.03 | DaveNotik | Sorry Paul. |
| 20:10.04 | DimmuR | if i have xorg installed can i safetly uninstall xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 20:10.08 | pipeline | valentinos: The installer will never be anaconda. |
| 20:10.08 | valdyn | valentinos: because debian has to work on all arches which are supported, beside that, d-i is great =p |
| 20:10.10 | green_earz | DaveNotik: to install the xserver use apt-get install x-window-system-core the xserver is for video and mouse key board |
| 20:10.10 | chealer | Rocco: yes |
| 20:10.11 | prahal | valentinos: anonconda is i386 centric , the debain installer just need a qt/gtk interface for newbies |
| 20:10.14 | pipeline | valentinos: anaconda has some serious fucking problems |
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| 20:10.31 | mwilson | prahal: No, it does not. |
| 20:10.36 | paulswm | DaveNotik: you have to su to root and execute apt-get, or sudo apt-get |
| 20:10.40 | Rocco | chealer, i'll reboot an write it down..... one moment please... |
| 20:10.45 | prahal | mwilson: ? |
| 20:10.58 | pipeline | valentinos: As prahal mentioned, d-i is flexible. They can build a graphical frontend later if there's enough people who care. Besides, there's nothing about d-i's curses-like interface that makes it user-surly. Look at the Ubuntu version of d-i. |
| 20:10.58 | DaveNotik | green_earz: thanks... I was running that command, but how do I login as admin? |
| 20:11.00 | chealer | Rocco: hope you have the time. it's also possible you find it in system logs |
| 20:11.07 | mwilson | prahal: Putting a GTK/Qt face on something does not automatically make it better/worse/easier/harder. |
| 20:11.10 | prahal | i meant it support a few other archs but far from the debian-installer total |
| 20:11.16 | Rocco | chealer thanks, see you in 3 minutes! |
| 20:11.22 | pipeline | mwilson, prahal: hah, I actually agree with mwilson for once. |
| 20:11.28 | green_earz | DaveNotik: as root use the su command |
| 20:11.36 | DaveNotik | Ok, got it. |
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| 20:11.41 | prahal | mwilson: i don't think the debian-installer is scary for newbies because it is hard to use ... |
| 20:11.44 | Thargor | are there any safe write alternatives for ntfs? |
| 20:11.49 | travisat | in my opinion not having x on the installion disc is a good thing |
| 20:11.51 | paulswm | DaveNotik: you login as user 'root', or su to root |
| 20:11.55 | markl_ | has anyone here successfully used XvMC on debian? if so, how? |
| 20:11.57 | mwilson | prahal: A well-written installer is a well-written installer. It doesn't matter what face it has on it. |
| 20:12.09 | DaveNotik | I got a "E: Couldn't find package" |
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| 20:12.33 | mwilson | prahal: You don't know how little I care whether an installer is "scary for newbies" or not. |
| 20:12.40 | green_earz | DaveNotik: as root run the command apt-get update to get your apt source up to date and |
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| 20:12.50 | chealer | !ntfsrw |
| 20:12.50 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. |
| 20:13.00 | valentinos | yes but they can put in on x86 distros only anyway i dont complain put alot of my friends run away when they see gui that is more than a 3 years old :) |
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| 20:13.18 | travisat | but that is only because it is mostly downloaded and burned to cd, if it was bought on cd an anaconda-like interface would be appropriate |
| 20:13.20 | mwilson | valentinos: So they run away. So what? |
| 20:13.28 | Xander | why shouldnt this work. |
| 20:13.29 | Xander | i unplug my main hard drive and install debian to my other hard drive. i then finish the installation and plug in my main hard drive and set the second one as slave. i check if windows on my main boots and it boots fine. i then try to boot to the slave drive and it fails to load lots of stuff. i know it works because it was running fine when it was set as main |
| 20:13.31 | Xander | if some one can talk me through step by step in editing the stuff in knoppix then please do so :p. i got all the time in the world so if you cant do anything know then dont worry bout it. |
| 20:13.41 | apnea | valentinos: debian need to release sarge first. everything else is stalled because of it |
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| 20:13.53 | DaveNotik | green_earz: I updated apt-get successfully, and ran apt-get for x window core again... |
| 20:13.54 | prahal | mwilson: do you think i care, i was jsut replying to the flame > (21:09:23) valentinos: ok why they dont use anaconda for installer i always wonder.... more people will come with debian. even if the new installer is great. it scares alot of people |
| 20:13.59 | DaveNotik | but same error: package not found. |
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| 20:14.08 | prahal | which is bad i admit -> i go out |
| 20:14.09 | DaveNotik | I'm using internap as my mirror. |
| 20:14.16 | mwilson | One of the main problems d-i still has, that it inherited from boot-floppies, is that it's not linear. Things like that need to be fixed long before you worry about putting a useless GUI face on it. |
| 20:14.50 | green_earz | DaveNotik: you can run apt-get dist-upgrade first the bring the base you to date |
| 20:14.55 | skTrdie | hello |
| 20:15.00 | valentinos | comments are not always a "flame" as my last comment on that |
| 20:15.09 | valdyn | valentinos: debian is a volunteer project, and as such it can afford to not give a fuck about having a useless colorful ( newbie attracting ) installer. It's about technical merits _only_ |
| 20:15.14 | mwilson | As long as cluebies can jump all over the installer as the mood takes them, they will forever have problems with it. |
| 20:15.15 | chealer | DaveNotik: what command is failing, as you type it? |
| 20:15.17 | engelsen | how can I see the partions a the disk ? |
| 20:15.20 | prahal | i use this non-linear *feature* and enjoy it , but it sure must be hard to maintain |
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| 20:15.42 | [Granger] | valentinos: let's put it this way |
| 20:15.51 | [Granger] | if you want to take the time to port anaconda to debian x86 |
| 20:15.53 | [Granger] | be our guest |
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| 20:15.54 | mwilson | prahal: The non-linearity of it should be a part of expert mode only. |
| 20:16.07 | [Granger] | but if you don't want to take the time to do it, then don't bitch about the text installer |
| 20:16.09 | apnea | [Granger]: it's already done. |
| 20:16.10 | DaveNotik | chealer: Building dependancy tree... done. Then... couldn't find package: x-window-system-core |
| 20:16.21 | [Granger] | apnea: anaconda fedora installer |
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| 20:16.27 | [Granger] | you know, the one with the X server |
| 20:16.29 | Xander | some one not busy helping here mind giving us a hand? |
| 20:16.40 | apnea | [Granger]: have you heard about progeny? Ian Murdock etc? |
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| 20:17.19 | Rocco | hi chealer |
| 20:17.26 | chealer | hi Rocco |
| 20:17.31 | [Granger] | apnea: no not really |
| 20:17.40 | [Granger] | Xander: that's not gonna work period |
| 20:17.47 | [Granger] | Windows needs to be on the primary master |
| 20:17.49 | [Granger] | so leave it alone |
| 20:17.51 | chealer | DaveNotik: sorry if I make you repeat yourself, but how did you install debian? |
| 20:18.00 | apnea | [Granger]: ok, progeny made an anaconda port for debian they even released installed cd's (for woody IIRC) |
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| 20:18.07 | Xander | w/e |
| 20:18.08 | prahal | maybe we should improve the doc/policy so we spend less time on irc/ML ... . |
| 20:18.11 | Xander | useless |
| 20:18.13 | apnea | s/debian/debian x86 |
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| 20:18.22 | Rocco | chealer, listen.... cant access procfs/sysfs - make sure that /sys is mounted and that modeprobe i2c_sensor |
| 20:18.23 | DaveNotik | green_earz: running that dist-update now... it's stopping my PCMCIA card and such... |
| 20:18.27 | alana | is there any reason to run reiserfs now that we've got ext3 ? |
| 20:18.33 | DaveNotik | chealer: sarge netinst from CD |
| 20:18.38 | apnea | ~start a fs war |
| 20:18.39 | apt | UFS is better than QNX4fs!! |
| 20:18.41 | gnufan | alana: Yes reiserfs is better ;) |
| 20:18.46 | valdyn | Xander: is there a reason that you're plugging harddrives on and off? |
| 20:18.48 | green_earz | DaveNotik: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:18.53 | Xander | yes |
| 20:18.59 | Xander | i have too many times lost windows |
| 20:19.02 | alana | gnufan: faster ? safer ? |
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| 20:19.07 | [Granger] | Xander: that's due to pebkac |
| 20:19.09 | Xander | middle of my gcses im not going to loose em again |
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| 20:19.16 | DaveNotik | green_earz: I did that... |
| 20:19.16 | YAOUU | bonsoir |
| 20:19.29 | Xander | pebkac? |
| 20:19.29 | prahal | Xander: use grub and the map option (so windows think it is master not slave) |
| 20:19.30 | apnea | ~pebkac |
| 20:19.31 | apt | Sounds like the Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair |
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| 20:19.34 | Xander | windows is |
| 20:19.34 | DaveNotik | And it went through a bunch of updates. Now when I run dist-update there is nothing new to update. |
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| 20:19.38 | Xander | debian is the problem |
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| 20:19.46 | DaveNotik | I try to install x-window-core but again, package not found. |
| 20:19.48 | apnea | ~sunday |
| 20:19.49 | apt | Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). Also, sunday is the day we do all the stuff we should've done Saturday, but didn't. |
| 20:19.53 | chealer | DaveNotik: did you try apt-setup yet? |
| 20:19.57 | [Granger] | dude |
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| 20:20.02 | [Granger] | Windows goes in first, debian second |
| 20:20.03 | DaveNotik | chealer: just "apt-setup"? |
| 20:20.04 | valdyn | Xander: theres no reason to move harddrives, even if you insist on unplugging |
| 20:20.09 | chealer | DaveNotik: yes |
| 20:20.13 | gnufan | alana: There are plenty of benchmarks out there. Hans makes a good point that ReiserFS verions in the generic kernel are more stable than ext3. besides you read anything by Hans Reiser and you can't help but realise here is a guy who knows his stuff. |
| 20:20.17 | [Granger] | and I don't see why you can't keep windows on there for more than a few hours |
| 20:20.21 | valdyn | Xander: try to keep the slave as slave permanently, even w/o a master |
| 20:20.23 | green_earz | DaveNotik: and all ok so apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:20.29 | [Granger] | it's more due to user incompetence |
| 20:20.32 | Xander | valdyn: no |
| 20:20.34 | [Granger] | rather than the OS being a pain |
| 20:20.35 | Xander | wont work |
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| 20:20.38 | Xander | computer wont run |
| 20:20.41 | [Granger] | wtf? |
| 20:20.46 | [Granger] | debian has no problems being on slave |
| 20:20.51 | Xander | i know |
| 20:20.53 | valdyn | Xander: what kind of ide controller is that? |
| 20:20.56 | Xander | but i installed it as a master |
| 20:21.00 | Xander | then set it as slave |
| 20:21.03 | chealer | Rocco: modprobe i2c_sensor but I thought this bug was supposed to be fixed |
| 20:21.06 | alana | gnufan: ok. I always used reiserfs earlier so :-) |
| 20:21.11 | valdyn | Xander: well, that sure wont work |
| 20:21.17 | Xander | i know :P |
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| 20:21.22 | Xander | i need to edit grub i think |
| 20:21.24 | DaveNotik | green_earz: still package not found, so chealer: I ran apt-update and chose a new mirror, MIT's. |
| 20:21.26 | gnufan | alana: I think the benchmarks will show that it depends what you are doing, but Reiserfs is a good generic filesystem, I choose it if the installer lets me, but unless you are doing performance database work it doesn't really make much odds either way in my experience |
| 20:21.29 | Xander | the slave is hdb |
| 20:21.33 | valdyn | Xander: that and your /etc/fstab |
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| 20:21.34 | Xander | but it was installed as hda |
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| 20:21.36 | deadline | Xander: configure /etc/fstab and update your bootload config |
| 20:21.41 | apnea | Xander: you should change grub and fstab |
| 20:21.42 | prahal | Xander: i missed soehting and don't understand your problem (except that you swap harddrive) |
| 20:21.45 | Xander | how please? |
| 20:21.47 | pureone | rebuildfstab ? |
| 20:21.57 | chealer | DaveNotik: apt-update? use apt-setup, then do an apt-get update. then retry apt-get install |
| 20:21.59 | Rocco | chealer i did already....still doesnt work |
| 20:21.59 | green_earz | DaveNotik: run apt-setup to pick a mirro |
| 20:21.59 | valdyn | Xander: but the whole way how youre doing it is just uh, silly |
| 20:22.07 | deadline | Xander: nano /etc/fstab |
| 20:22.08 | alana | gnufan: im up for stability on this install |
| 20:22.08 | brullo | I run some samba3/apache1.3/stable 2.4 servers with ext3....will I gain anything with ReiserFS? |
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| 20:22.18 | chealer | Rocco: yeah that won't influence the next reboot |
| 20:22.20 | DaveNotik | green-earz and chealer: ahhhh, I had an S in WINDOWS! |
| 20:22.23 | prahal | Xander: at the boot add root=/dev/you_root_partitiondev -b |
| 20:22.26 | DaveNotik | I was running the wrong package! |
| 20:22.33 | Xander | ty |
| 20:22.33 | apnea | brullo: not much |
| 20:22.35 | DaveNotik | It's installing now. |
| 20:22.44 | chealer | Rocco: try /etc/init.d/sensord start |
| 20:22.44 | linuxfreck | brullo: never change a running system |
| 20:22.44 | prahal | Xander: or use a rescue cd (easier , more tools than in emergency boot more) |
| 20:22.48 | Rocco | chealer, when i try to start gdesklets, it runns a few seconds, that its off again..... |
| 20:22.48 | green_earz | nice one |
| 20:22.52 | Rocco | chealer ok |
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| 20:23.02 | DaveNotik | apt-get is really quite remarkable! |
| 20:23.16 | knt | is it possible to perform search in packages' description field using apt-cache? |
| 20:23.20 | DaveNotik | So the concept is that there are many mirrors of all popular packages? |
| 20:23.31 | apnea | knt: it does by deafult |
| 20:23.31 | Rocco | chealer Starting sensor daemon: sensord. |
| 20:23.33 | brullo | apnea, linuxfreck Ok..some sources Ive read states that etx3 is more mature compared to reiserFS |
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| 20:24.04 | chealer | DaveNotik: no. official mirrors have all packages. |
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| 20:24.09 | Rocco | chealer still crashes after a few seconds |
| 20:24.11 | apnea | brullo: yes. reiserfs is used if you have many samll files to read. fow squid etc generally |
| 20:24.14 | linuxfreck | brullo: I like reiser, and there is much fud spread around it, but I wouldn't change a server from ext3 to reiser just because |
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| 20:24.27 | chealer | Rocco: crashes? how? |
| 20:24.41 | apnea | knt: what do you want? |
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| 20:24.55 | green_earz | DaveNotik: your first job for a desktop is to get xserver up and running the apt-get install kde kdm kdm to the login maniger |
| 20:25.10 | knt | apnea, apt-cache search is returning so many unrelated results. i just want to omit 'em. |
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| 20:25.15 | gnufan | linuxfreck: ditto - I have ext3 on my desktop here, and whilst I like reiserfs a desktop isn't worth switching for the minor performance difference. |
| 20:25.19 | brullo | apnea, linuxfreck Ok...I have never had any problems or experienced any limitations using ext3 so Ill stay with the old wisdom of never change a working system. :-) |
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| 20:25.31 | apnea | knt: you pipe it to grep :) |
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| 20:25.46 | apnea | brullo: that's why ext3 is popular :) |
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| 20:26.03 | Rocco | chealer, a few seconds in the task-bar "gdesklets is starting..." and then its over.... |
| 20:26.06 | Kraeloc | Ahoy. |
| 20:26.09 | apnea | knt: you can add more search terms |
| 20:26.14 | green_earz | DaveNotik: when xserver starts to ask you questions go with the auto options |
| 20:26.22 | apnea | knt: like apt-cache searh foo bar or use regexp |
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| 20:26.43 | apnea | knt: apt-cache search '^emacs.*unicode" |
| 20:26.54 | apnea | s/"' |
| 20:26.55 | brullo | apnea, I have a videoserver using samba3 that is distributing large (>600 MB) videofiles over our intranet. |
| 20:27.08 | apnea | brullo: xfs is said to be fine for large files |
| 20:27.17 | apnea | brullo: xfs is designed for media servers by SGI |
| 20:27.33 | green_earz | DaveNotik: to test that xserver is ok use the command startx to fire it up |
| 20:27.35 | chealer | Rocco: I don't know gdesklets. If you get Starting sensor daemon: sensord. I think you may be having a gdesklets problem |
| 20:27.35 | brullo | apnea, Ok...Ill do some reading on xfs. Thanks |
| 20:27.39 | apnea | np |
| 20:27.52 | DaveNotik | green_earz: thanks, it's installing now |
| 20:28.00 | green_earz | ok |
| 20:28.20 | Rocco | chealer, are there alternate programs? |
| 20:28.30 | sebux3 | fg |
| 20:28.35 | DaveNotik | green_earz: I got an error when startx |
| 20:28.48 | DaveNotik | green_earz: no xsession found, no window system, yada yada... |
| 20:28.49 | chealer | Rocco: lm-sensors frontends? I know gkrellm |
| 20:28.50 | DaveNotik | aborting |
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| 20:29.22 | DaveNotik | green_earz: I assume I should install the non-core elements? |
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| 20:29.30 | apnea | chealer Rocco : ksensors |
| 20:29.31 | green_earz | DaveNotik: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to get back to the xserver config |
| 20:29.40 | Rocco | chealer..... moment.... look at this, maybe it helps.... i send it per pn please, cause this are serveral colums |
| 20:30.05 | KasperTech | hey, I've tried to add the initrd=/initrd.img to my lilo.conf and then install the new kernel... but I still get the Kernel pani :-( ? |
| 20:30.12 | green_earz | DaveNotik: do you know the refrest rates ver hor for the monitor will help a lot |
| 20:30.34 | green_earz | DaveNotik: sorry refresh |
| 20:30.41 | Rocco | apnea thanks, i'll try if i cant get gdesklets working |
| 20:30.54 | apnea | ok |
| 20:31.03 | DaveNotik | green_earz: I believe 75khz |
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| 20:31.46 | apnea | DaveNotik: apt-get install read-edid |
| 20:31.59 | drac | KasperTech: Did you add the correct initrd, in right place? And did you run 'lilo' after editing lilo.conf? |
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| 20:32.34 | alana | anyone know why phpbb2-conf-mysql cant install itself on mysql-server4.1 and asks for mysql ? or how to make it believe it is not using 4.1 ? |
| 20:32.44 | green_earz | DaveNotik: its two sets of numbers some thing like 100-50 for ver and 70-33 for hor these are just wild gesses tho |
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| 20:32.52 | chealer | Rocco: you can't start an X application in a xterm as root without using sux |
| 20:33.02 | darkcmd | what is a reliable debian mirror |
| 20:33.16 | KasperTech | drac: I just added "initrd=/initrd.img" to my lilo.conf in the end of the file, and apt-get'ed the kernel image... what did I miss? |
| 20:33.17 | sobersabre | guys. is it ok to create aquota.group with "touch" ... and then edquota ? |
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| 20:33.18 | Rocco | chealer, what is sux? |
| 20:33.31 | chealer | darkcmd: those apt-setup suggest, most likely |
| 20:33.38 | exobyte | dumb question- how can I use sed to turn newlines into spaces? |
| 20:33.39 | chealer | Rocco: apt-get install sux |
| 20:33.41 | drac | KasperTech: You added it in wrong place of your lilo.conf. |
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| 20:33.56 | green_earz | DaveNotik: thants the info you will need to track down for your monitor |
| 20:33.56 | drac | KasperTech: Most likely, can you post lilo.conf to www.pastebin.com ? |
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| 20:34.09 | apnea | exobyte: maybe tr is easier |
| 20:34.23 | Rocco | chealer: done |
| 20:34.25 | DaveNotik | green_earz, hmmm.. |
| 20:34.30 | KasperTech | drac: sure no problem, just a minute |
| 20:34.32 | DaveNotik | I chose Medium setup... |
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| 20:34.48 | DaveNotik | It asks me for my resolution. I chose 1024x768 @ 75khz |
| 20:35.04 | apnea | exobyte: tr "\n" " " < file_name |
| 20:35.04 | Nafed | reportbug isnt very helpful :S |
| 20:35.07 | strajnar | i installed nvidia drivers did like the 45pages manual says and got "no screens found".Anyone can help? |
| 20:35.08 | exobyte | apnea: I'm rtfming.. |
| 20:35.15 | exobyte | apnea: cool- thx |
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| 20:35.33 | chealer | !tell strajnar about no screen found |
| 20:35.36 | green_earz | DaveNotik: one way is the run knoppix and have a look at the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for the info |
| 20:35.39 | chealer | !tell strajnar about no screens found |
| 20:35.43 | drac | DaveNotik: You might want to choose something that you can add your own hsync/vsync, Simple or Medium won't ask things like that. |
| 20:35.57 | darkcmd | whats a good debian mirror for the us.. dealing with sarge |
| 20:36.05 | drac | DaveNotik: Google your monitor model and name for vsync and hsync (e.g. 30-150, and 30-120) |
| 20:36.23 | DaveNotik | Ok, running Advanced. I have a Knoppix LiveCD but it wouldn't run on the laptop. |
| 20:36.26 | Rocco | chealer done |
| 20:36.42 | Rocco | apnea, where can i start ksensors? |
| 20:36.44 | Nafed | Error: mysql.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 20:36.48 | Nafed | what does that mean |
| 20:36.54 | chealer | Rocco: so? use sux instead of su |
| 20:36.57 | apnea | Rocco: it's a panel application |
| 20:37.12 | apnea | Rocco: use rub feature of your desktop env. |
| 20:37.21 | apnea | s/rub/run |
| 20:37.21 | strajnar | ok will do that and come back must edit the damn file again and restart..thanks for now |
| 20:37.22 | green_earz | DaveNotik: google for your monitor refresh rates |
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| 20:37.43 | Rocco | apnea what? |
| 20:37.44 | DaveNotik | Doing now... I have a Dell 8200 so shouldn't be hard to come by (Inspiron) |
| 20:37.51 | KasperTech | drac: http://pastebin.ca/6720 |
| 20:37.53 | apnea | Rocco: run from xterm etc. |
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| 20:37.58 | Rocco | chealer .....even doesnt work :( |
| 20:38.20 | green_earz | DaveNotik: so you can see the plan xserver up then kde and kdm |
| 20:38.20 | chealer | alana: what do you mean? there's no mysql package |
| 20:38.25 | chealer | Rocco: why? |
| 20:38.30 | apnea | DaveNotik: what's you arch ? i386, ppc etc? |
| 20:38.39 | DaveNotik | arch? |
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| 20:38.49 | DaveNotik | Oh. |
| 20:38.51 | DaveNotik | i386 |
| 20:38.58 | drac | KasperTech: Below line "image=/vmlinuz", you add "initrd=/initrd.img" |
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| 20:39.13 | apnea | DaveNotik: then install read-edid |
| 20:39.15 | alana | chealer: didnt I say mysql-server, sorry |
| 20:39.17 | drac | KasperTech: And make sure /vmlinuz and /initrd.img (version) matches. |
| 20:39.25 | drac | KasperTech: After editing, run command "lilo" |
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| 20:39.30 | apnea | DaveNotik: it will tell your refresh rate unless your monitor is anicent |
| 20:39.35 | drac | KasperTech: It should say Added Linux * Added Linux-OLD or such |
| 20:39.38 | apnea | ancient* |
| 20:39.49 | green_earz | drac: nice one |
| 20:39.49 | Nafed | error3: mysql.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 20:39.49 | palmax | Buenas |
| 20:39.49 | chealer | alana: phpbb2-conf-mysql only recommends mysql-server |
| 20:39.50 | Nafed | what does that mean |
| 20:39.53 | palmax | a ver |
| 20:39.53 | KasperTech | drac: I understand everything but the version match? |
| 20:39.59 | palmax | he cambiado de monitor |
| 20:40.05 | palmax | y necesito reconfigurar las xfree |
| 20:40.07 | chealer | !es |
| 20:40.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:40.10 | drac | green_earz? ;) |
| 20:40.18 | apnea | ~portugese |
| 20:40.19 | apt | fale por favor o inglês quando no #debian assim que em todos pode o compreender. Se você quiser usar uma outra língua, junte o #debian-rs. Para ajuda em Portugus, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 20:40.19 | Rocco | apnea thanks! |
| 20:40.19 | palmax | pero no me acuerdo donde estaba el XF,...4.conf |
| 20:40.23 | green_earz | drac: sorry wrong one |
| 20:40.26 | chealer | !drxx palmax |
| 20:40.26 | dpkg | palmax: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:40.33 | palmax | Sorery |
| 20:40.34 | drac | KasperTech: ls -alF /vmlinuz /initrd.img |
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| 20:40.35 | palmax | sorry |
| 20:40.43 | alana | chealer: exactly, but Ive installed mysql-server4.1 and there no reason to have to different mysql servers running is there ? |
| 20:40.54 | apnea | palmax: no problem |
| 20:40.55 | Rocco | chealer the same arror |
| 20:40.58 | DaveNotik | apnea: installed read-edid... how do I run? |
| 20:41.02 | KasperTech | drac: okay then what :) ? |
| 20:41.08 | chealer | alana: no, but what's your problem exactly? |
| 20:41.11 | drac | KasperTech: You see some versions there, are they all same? ;) |
| 20:41.30 | apnea | DaveNotik: I heard dpkg-reconfigure xserver uses it automatically |
| 20:41.52 | apnea | DaveNotik: if it doesn't try tÄo findt's run |
| 20:41.55 | Nafed | valdyn about? |
| 20:41.57 | KasperTech | drac: no they aren't :( |
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| 20:42.16 | chealer | Rocco: you mean that when you login as root using sux then start gdesklets you get the same error you pasted me? my guessing powers have limits :/ |
| 20:42.42 | Rocco | chealer..... yes! ok, thanks anyway.... goodnight! |
| 20:42.53 | Nafed | urk.. can someone please help me :( |
| 20:42.54 | drac | KasperTech: Ok, please post full result of "ls -alF /boot /" to pastebin.com |
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| 20:43.17 | KasperTech | drac: sure.. just a minute |
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| 20:43.44 | alana | chealer: when I try to populate the db with the phpbb2-conf-mysql package I get this "error"You need to have mysql-server installed if you want the MySQL |
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| 20:43.47 | alana | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:44.10 | DaveNotik | green_earz and apnea: why does the Xsession: unable to start X session error have to do with refresh rate? |
| 20:44.20 | jvw | alana: I never tested with mysql 4.1 |
| 20:44.33 | jvw | alana: so it isn't really supported, I guess it should work though |
| 20:44.34 | KasperTech | drac: http://pastebin.com/250182 |
| 20:44.34 | karsten | DaveNotik: Um. A refresh rate of 0 Hz is related ;-) |
| 20:44.34 | jvw | dunno |
| 20:44.48 | karsten | OT: anyone know when Apple released the G3? |
| 20:44.56 | Nafed | http://www.pastebin.com/250181 <-- how can i fix that? |
| 20:44.57 | jvw | if you get it to work, please inform me how, so I can improve the readme |
| 20:45.07 | jvw | that is, file a bug |
| 20:45.08 | green_earz | DaveNotik: because if xserver as the wrong refresh rates it can crash the xserver |
| 20:45.10 | sussudio | !fix Nafed |
| 20:45.22 | jvw | alana: also if something needs to be changed in the package |
| 20:45.32 | drac | KasperTech: What is that?! MDK?! |
| 20:45.35 | drac | KasperTech: Mandrake!? |
| 20:45.38 | alana | jvw: strangely enough it doesnt. Guess the package look for a different name or so |
| 20:45.42 | FieldySnuts | @fuck mandrake |
| 20:45.48 | KasperTech | drac: no debian |
| 20:45.49 | FieldySnuts | blah i give up |
| 20:45.50 | BadMan | DaveNotik: hehe look up your monitors hsync and vsync and right them down also get what ever the max supported res is, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sfree86 again |
| 20:45.51 | green_earz | DaveNotik: its all so a very comman problem set up xserver |
| 20:45.55 | jvw | alana: dunno, really |
| 20:46.10 | jvw | alana: I don't use mysql4.1, isn't that still be abit experimental? |
| 20:46.11 | alana | jvw: ok, I dont have time to look at it sorry |
| 20:46.13 | BadMan | er xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:46.14 | Nafed | sussudio ive been here for two days, spoken to 3 people here, spoken to debian report bug team and worked on it myself for about a week |
| 20:46.19 | drac | KasperTech: It can't be, that /boot doesn't look like debian at all. |
| 20:46.29 | Nafed | can you please help me instead of typing pointless triggers |
| 20:46.34 | KasperTech | drac: okay... time to reinstall my debian then :) |
| 20:46.38 | kawaiikun1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.45 | KasperTech | but if they match, it'll work :) ? |
| 20:46.46 | KasperTech | drac |
| 20:46.47 | alana | jvw: I feel a litle experimental for the time being :-) |
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| 20:46.59 | kawaiikun1 | or actually, to anyone who things they could help... |
| 20:47.22 | drac | KasperTech: perhaps, i'm too paranoid now to answer any futher :D |
| 20:47.28 | green_earz | kawaiikun1: are you installing the nvdia driver ? |
| 20:47.33 | KasperTech | drac: :) I wish so |
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| 20:47.34 | chealer | jvw: it's in testing. not as reliable as 4.0, but it's not experimental anymore |
| 20:47.39 | kawaiikun1 | no, i'm trying to install ndiswrapper |
| 20:47.57 | drac | !lose KasperTech |
| 20:47.57 | dpkg | KasperTech: You Lose. |
| 20:48.03 | KasperTech | drac: thanks for the help :) |
| 20:48.06 | alana | jvw: another thin . Is ntfs partitions read only still ? ages since I thought about having windoze in the house so dont have a clue |
| 20:48.08 | KasperTech | I know :-P |
| 20:48.12 | KasperTech | but I'll win soon! |
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| 20:49.45 | green_earz | kawaiikun1: and you need the kernel headers so uname -a for your kernel info then track down the kernel headers apt-cache search kernel-header |
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| 20:50.08 | Nafed | sussudio |
| 20:50.12 | KasperTech | but drac, I've installed it from a debian cd ;) |
| 20:50.13 | Nafed | can u help me? |
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| 20:50.20 | Flimzy | drac: Can you help me with Windows 3.1? I can't get IE6 to work with it. |
| 20:50.20 | cat | ask Nafed |
| 20:50.34 | kawaiikun1 | green_earz: well, see, i did that sort of....i got the kernel headers for the kernel source that i used, but i have a custom kernel that i'm actually running |
| 20:50.39 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
| 20:50.49 | drac | Flimzy: Sure, no problem. Can you please post .. your credit infomation on pastebin.com |
| 20:50.59 | kawaiikun1 | so it doesn't actually match |
| 20:51.21 | Nafed | http://www.pastebin.com/250181 <-- i keep getting that error.. reportbug put me through to the apache section and apache said it wasnt apache so im back to square one |
| 20:51.22 | Flimzy | drac: hehe |
| 20:51.22 | jvw | chealer: hm, IMHO its a bit annoying to have two similar mysql versions in the archive... |
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| 20:51.24 | kawaiikun1 | but since i have the kernel source can't i just complie headers or something |
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| 20:51.36 | alana | so theres NO real NTFS read/write support ? |
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| 20:52.10 | FieldySnuts | alana: nope. ms won't release how the filesystem works, that is why |
| 20:52.13 | cat | Nafed: try apt-get -f install |
| 20:52.27 | FieldySnuts | no big loss, shitty filesystem |
| 20:52.31 | Nafed | done that cat |
| 20:52.38 | Nafed | nothing needs to be installed |
| 20:52.44 | green_earz | kawaiikun1: so it should think use the saurce kernel that was left after your kernel compile. is the ln -s link to the kernel saucre still there ? |
| 20:52.50 | chealer | jvw: obviously...but hard to avoid for those big pieces. it just makes maintainers more heroic ;) |
| 20:52.58 | alana | FieldySnuts: great, its that crappy ! |
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| 20:53.34 | khanman | someone suggested that i install mplayer to view streaming video from like IMDB etc...well i cant find the package..im using sarge and have non-free in my sources.list |
| 20:53.36 | jvw | it can easily be avoided... |
| 20:53.39 | kawaiikun1 | green_earz: i don't know, how can i tell? |
| 20:54.07 | chealer | jvw: really? I'm just a user, but surprised that you say that |
| 20:54.10 | alana | FieldySnuts: I think I saw someone talking about using wine to set it up with windows ntfs.sys driver |
| 20:54.11 | mwilson | You know, we were talking about installers a while ago... I just installed oBSD in about as little time as possible... less than 10 min. Most of that was deciding how I wanted the disk partitioned. Contrasting that with d-i, and they're both text installers... there is no comparison. |
| 20:54.21 | Nafed | cat, ive tried reinstalling the packages too.. didnt solve the problem |
| 20:54.28 | chealer | !tell khanman about mplayer |
| 20:54.33 | cat | deleted the file Nafed |
| 20:54.40 | FieldySnuts | alana: i could care less, it's a proprietary filesystem |
| 20:54.45 | Nafed | sorry? |
| 20:54.49 | brullo | alana, I use, and have been for 1 year now, used NTFS (XP) mounted partitions from my sarge box. Works great. (I have not dared to try a write to NTFS...but read works...no problem) |
| 20:54.55 | green_earz | kawaiikun1: when you compiled your kernel its the link you make ln -s to linux |
| 20:55.03 | karsten | What's the debian seed installer thing called? |
| 20:55.09 | cat | Nafed: what package is giving u trouble? |
| 20:55.22 | khanman | hmm i installed xine..didnt seem to work |
| 20:55.26 | mwilson | d-i is still too complex. |
| 20:55.28 | karsten | !tell cat about u |
| 20:55.30 | Nafed | im just trying to get sql support setup on my apache server.. but someone seems to have removed a file so i cant reinstall |
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| 20:55.38 | virc2user | http://zapatopi.net/themes/commielinux107.png |
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| 20:56.02 | Nafed | cat: libapache-mod-php4 and libapache-mod-auth-mysql i think |
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| 20:56.10 | Nafed | everything that is linked to those |
| 20:56.30 | Nafed | so apache wont uninstall, sql, php.. packages like that |
| 20:56.40 | alana | brullo: I need a scratch disk for both win and linux so I guess fat32 is my only option then |
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| 20:57.08 | brullo | alana, Yes, that works for rw support from Linux/win32. |
| 20:57.12 | kawaiikun1 | green_earz:i don't think the link is still there |
| 20:57.25 | khanman | xine can display wmv and quicktime? |
| 20:57.26 | chealer | what's a scratch disk? |
| 20:57.32 | brullo | alana, dual boot box? |
| 20:57.42 | chealer | khanman: not by default |
| 20:57.51 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i prevent modules from loading at startup, right now it loads modules; for example ipv6 which i dont think that i need |
| 20:58.00 | alana | brullo: 2 disks 2 boot records change in bios to boot |
| 20:58.07 | Flimzy | khanman: With the proper codecs installed it can. |
| 20:58.08 | khanman | chealer, so how do i go about getting it to ? |
| 20:58.24 | khanman | is there a .deb with the correct codecs? |
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| 20:58.42 | brullo | alana, Ok...however it would be more elegant to use samba as a fileserver. |
| 20:58.46 | Flimzy | khanman: there are several debs with codecs. Not all are in the official Debian archive. |
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| 20:59.19 | khanman | Flimzy, are there any in the official archive? |
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| 20:59.32 | drac | !tell khanman about marillat |
| 20:59.34 | brullo | alana, (Requires, ofcourse, more than one box) |
| 20:59.42 | alana | brullo: I use samba, but I use windoze every other month or so to check the ink on my printer etc :-). So I really dont need it |
| 20:59.43 | drac | khanman: w32codecs package in marillat repository. |
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| 20:59.57 | polok | *windows |
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| 21:00.00 | brullo | alana, ok man |
| 21:00.08 | alana | brullo: I use it for my mac powerbook |
| 21:00.15 | khanman | tnx drac |
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| 21:00.23 | donfilipo | Hi it's me again ok after EE it says Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! |
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| 21:00.47 | FieldySnuts | ask nvidia, their driver not ours |
| 21:01.11 | resiak | !tell donfilipo about nvidia howto |
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| 21:01.33 | Nafed | cat you still here? |
| 21:01.41 | Thanatermesis | how to reinstall ALL packages of the system ? |
| 21:01.57 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: Why would you want to do this? |
| 21:02.08 | PerfDave | donfilipo: How did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:02.16 | chealer | wOw...I am thanked in the debian-nvidia howto :) |
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| 21:02.23 | resiak | Thanatermesis: Why would you want to do that? |
| 21:02.28 | resiak | PerfDave: Erm :) |
| 21:02.32 | darkcmd | how do I set it to as soon as I get mail.. on my current pts, or tty it says you have mail.. or you have mail from.. or something like that |
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| 21:02.59 | donfilipo | i downloaded the package from their site and did sh NVIDIA......run that's it it looked ok |
| 21:03.13 | chealer | !tell donfilipo about nvidia-installer |
| 21:03.19 | resiak | donfilipo: Uninstall it, and read the howto dpkg told you about. |
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| 21:03.22 | Thanatermesis | my fucK***g debian not runs good ALL ! |
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| 21:03.32 | FieldySnuts | neither does yer engrish |
| 21:03.40 | Phated | If that's your attitude with it, I can see why. |
| 21:03.40 | Thanatermesis | my processor like windows ???!!!? |
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| 21:03.53 | resiak | Thanatermesis: How appropriate. You fight like a cow. |
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| 21:04.12 | green-earz | donfilipo: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 21:04.15 | Thanatermesis | no |
| 21:04.19 | Atrocity | gah...i have to set up a crappy tiny-proxy on this windows machine so i can get the debian box on the internet so i can download the install fiels for it |
| 21:04.21 | Thanatermesis | I flight my computer |
| 21:04.25 | Nafed | hey guys, how about instead of giving people a hard time you help me heh :S |
| 21:04.30 | drac | Thanatermesis: "apt-get moo" will get it flying like your computer. |
| 21:04.37 | betoreyez | I've sarge and xorg of ubutu, I want want to get back to sarge completely.. but when I install xfree86-common all the xprograms are removed.. how can I avoid it? |
| 21:05.05 | donfilipo | oh thanks dpkg may i say something philosophic? |
| 21:05.09 | Phated | Hm, interesting, I hadn't noted that. |
| 21:05.12 | resiak | betoreyez: Remove the Ubuntu X.org packages. Yes, everything gets removed. Then install xfree86. |
| 21:05.17 | chealer | !dpkg |
| 21:05.18 | dpkg | [dpkg] the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
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| 21:05.35 | betoreyez | resiak, but it's like a downgrade... |
| 21:05.35 | resiak | betoreyez: Since it's all cached in /var/cache/apt, there's no enormous download in store. |
| 21:05.39 | Phated | resiak: Eyes of a hawk, you do. |
| 21:05.48 | resiak | betoreyez: It's your own fault for using Ubuntu packages. |
| 21:05.54 | FieldySnuts | got to love that. |
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| 21:05.59 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Go exim! Go exim! |
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| 21:06.06 | betoreyez | resiak, I cleaned /var/cache/apt |
| 21:06.07 | scarynetworkguy | Postfix uber alles. |
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| 21:06.10 | FieldySnuts | SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from |
| 21:06.12 | FieldySnuts | blah blah |
| 21:06.14 | Thanatermesis | I don't know how are the problems in my &!$"$%"$% computer, a really 10 % programs have a SEGMENTATION FAULT etc... |
| 21:06.17 | sussudio | !dachs scarynetworkguy |
| 21:06.17 | dpkg | scarynetworkguy: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 21:06.22 | Thanatermesis | gmail no posible to download in mozilla... |
| 21:06.26 | Thanatermesis | hogmail no posible to download in mozilla... |
| 21:06.28 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: Word. |
| 21:06.29 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Is that an exim configuration thing, or are you using exim-daemon-heavy with clamav to do SMTP-time rejection? |
| 21:06.32 | Thanatermesis | yahoo no posible to download in mozilla... |
| 21:06.39 | Thanatermesis | Im test firefox... |
| 21:06.41 | DaveNotik | green_earz: still trouble... my refresh rate is hard to find. but I suspect this is not the issue, as I changed my refresh rate and resolution and the depth and clarity look ok, but I can't get past the Xsession: unable to start X session, no "/root/.xsession" file, no "/root/x.Xsession, no sesson managers, no window managers and no terminal modulators found... aborting. |
| 21:06.42 | Phated | Thanatermesis: What's you native language? |
| 21:06.45 | Thanatermesis | gmail no posible to download in firefox... |
| 21:06.45 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: i dunno, does it by default in 4 apparently |
| 21:06.52 | Thanatermesis | spanish and french |
| 21:06.53 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: Fair enough |
| 21:06.59 | sussudio | !doe Thanatermesis |
| 21:07.01 | resiak | !fr |
| 21:07.01 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:07.02 | Phated | Great, #debian-es and #debian-fr. |
| 21:07.03 | resiak | !es |
| 21:07.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:07.05 | Nafed | http://www.pastebin.com/250181 <-- i keep getting that error.. reportbug put me through to the apache section and apache said it wasnt apache so im back to square one |
| 21:07.06 | Phated | Shoo now. |
| 21:07.11 | Thanatermesis | O·O |
| 21:07.11 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: I've been meaning to implement SMTP-time virus scanning sometime |
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| 21:07.28 | Thanatermesis | how to reinstall ALL packages of the system ? |
| 21:07.38 | Thanatermesis | please? :) |
| 21:07.53 | resiak | Thanatermesis: Go ask in a channel that speaks your language. #debian-es or #debian-fr. |
| 21:07.56 | Phated | Have you considered that a fucked-up system isn't fixed by simply reinstalling your packages? |
| 21:08.00 | Flimzy | Thanatermesis: I don't know of an automated way to do that. I also can't think of any reason a sane person would WANT to do that. |
| 21:08.12 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: tried it once. pain in the ass. |
| 21:08.23 | Nafed | lol |
| 21:08.28 | Nafed | Help me someone :( |
| 21:08.28 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: Get a System Rescue CD. Memtest your system, run badblocks on the hard disk, check for CPU overheating. |
| 21:08.29 | DaveNotik | Posting again: Still trouble... my refresh rate is hard to find. but I suspect this is not the issue, as I changed my refresh rate and resolution and the depth and clarity look ok, but I can't get past the Xsession: unable to start X session, no "/root/.xsession" file, no "/root/x.Xsession, no sesson managers, no window managers and no terminal modulators found... aborting. |
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| 21:08.37 | green-earz | Thanatermesis: you can use apt-get dist-upgrade to bring the box up to date |
| 21:08.47 | kawaiikun1 | green_earz: what do i do if the link is no longer there |
| 21:08.52 | Phated | DaveNotik: It's semi-obvious here... Install a window manager. |
| 21:08.54 | Thanatermesis | PerfDave, I use memtest and no problems are showed in 2 pass all tests |
| 21:08.55 | kawaiikun1 | like what files exactly need to be linked? |
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| 21:09.06 | donfilipo | linux realy is good but openGL is a must be for games and it should be instaled easy way so children would become to like linux and Billy will get afraid |
| 21:09.15 | Thanatermesis | Im use a new XFS for my system |
| 21:09.19 | Phated | "no window managers, no session menagers, no terminal modulators"... How fricking hard is that to read? |
| 21:09.24 | scarynetworkguy | You mean read the error and do what it says to do? |
| 21:09.27 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: Two passes isn't very useful. Leave it running overnight. |
| 21:09.27 | green-earz | kawaiikun1: make the link again so up got your own kernel headers |
| 21:09.28 | Thanatermesis | PerfDave, check CPU overheating? temperature ? |
| 21:09.28 | scarynetworkguy | Shcoking idea. |
| 21:09.35 | Thanatermesis | Yes ? |
| 21:09.45 | directhex | donfilipo, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 21:09.52 | Thanatermesis | Ok, Im test this night |
| 21:10.00 | DaveNotik | phated: what is a good Windows manager? |
| 21:10.14 | PerfDave | Nafed: Uhm, removing Perl from a Debian system will break it utterly. |
| 21:10.14 | Phated | OH FFS JUST FUCKING CHOOSE ONE, WTF DOES IT MATTER? |
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| 21:10.21 | Phated | DaveNotik: |
| 21:10.25 | green-earz | kawaiikun1: sorry again so you |
| 21:10.29 | kawaiikun1 | green_earz: so what would the string look like : ln -s kernel-source kernel-header? |
| 21:10.35 | Phated | DaveNotik: Oh, and try installing x-window-system, it would at least install xterm. |
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| 21:10.52 | Nafed | PerfDave im trying to remove apache and php so i can reinstall them.. but this sql error wont let me |
| 21:10.58 | donfilipo | apt get ok why not synaptic? |
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| 21:11.03 | Thanatermesis | PerfDave, check CPU overheating? temperature ? |
| 21:11.07 | PerfDave | Nafed: No, your command is "apt-get remove perl" |
| 21:11.11 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: Seems sensible. |
| 21:11.11 | DaveNotik | phated: i installed x-window-system-core... and that's where i get the error... (when running startx) |
| 21:11.15 | green-earz | kawaiikun1: no its the one you used to compile with |
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| 21:11.30 | scarynetworkguy | DaveNotik: Why not do what you were told to do? |
| 21:11.33 | Nafed | because i used that as an example PerfDave |
| 21:11.33 | Phated | DaveNotik: Yeah, OK, now just... install xfce or xterm. Go on, INSTALL ONE. |
| 21:11.34 | Thanatermesis | seems ? |
| 21:11.45 | Nafed | if u look into it, its not perl thats causing the issue |
| 21:11.52 | Thanatermesis | hummm.. |
| 21:11.55 | PerfDave | Nafed: Well, why don't you show us the actual thing you're trying to do, and the actual error you're getting? |
| 21:12.00 | gteppel | What is the Debian-esqe way of running simple scripts on startup... for example I have a file called firewall.sh that contains my firewall/nat iptable rules that I want run on startup.... |
| 21:12.02 | DaveNotik | Sorry guys... I'm new. :) |
| 21:12.04 | PerfDave | Nafed: Yes, its' a mysql problem, not an Apache one. |
| 21:12.14 | Thanatermesis | what are the CPU overheating test? is a command ? |
| 21:12.15 | m0p | X insists that my keyboard is unplugged, when I have a USB one plugged in, is there anyway around this? Gnome seems to give out endless errors on start because of this. |
| 21:12.19 | kawaiikun1 | green-earz:what's the one i used to compile it? |
| 21:12.23 | PerfDave | gteppel: You probably want to run that after your interfaces are brought up, from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:12.24 | Phated | DaveNotik: And apparently incapable of reading an error message. |
| 21:12.36 | Nafed | PerfDave i showed that in that pastebin url i gave 4-5 times this morning |
| 21:12.48 | Nafed | so how do i repair it PerfDave? |
| 21:12.53 | green-earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.56 | DaveNotik | Well, others were pointing me in the direction of refresh rates... :-( |
| 21:13.08 | PerfDave | Nafed: Fucked if I know, I don't use MySQL. Check the BTS. |
| 21:13.14 | Nafed | did |
| 21:13.16 | Nafed | nothing on there |
| 21:13.21 | Nafed | so i done a reportbug thingy |
| 21:13.23 | Thanatermesis | is a command the CPU overheating test? PerfDave |
| 21:13.28 | Nafed | got bounced around between people |
| 21:13.32 | PerfDave | !tell Thanatermesis -about search |
| 21:13.34 | FieldySnuts | funny i thought i ignored Thanatermesis |
| 21:13.36 | m0p | anyone? ;< |
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| 21:13.39 | FieldySnuts | there |
| 21:13.40 | Nafed | and now im back to square one |
| 21:13.45 | gteppel | PerfDave: but where should I be symlinking it in /etc/rcs.d?? |
| 21:13.50 | Thanatermesis | ¬¬ |
| 21:13.59 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: Yeah, but you reprote a bug with Apache and it's not an apache bug. |
| 21:14.02 | PerfDave | gteppel: No |
| 21:14.04 | PerfDave | gteppel: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:14.05 | scarynetworkguy | DaveNotik: Is there one single thing in that error that would in any way shape or form make you think that it had anything at all to do with refresh rates? As opposed to installing the thing it said you didn't have installed? |
| 21:14.09 | gteppel | ok thanks |
| 21:14.11 | kawaiikun1 | green-earz: okay, then what? |
| 21:14.11 | green-earz | kawaiikun1: ls /usr/src and put it in the #flood |
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| 21:14.17 | Thanatermesis | no for you PerfDave, ¬¬ is for FieldySnuts |
| 21:14.18 | kawaiikun1 | okay |
| 21:14.29 | PerfDave | Nafed: Yeah, but you reprote a bug with Apache and it's not an apache bug. |
| 21:14.43 | Thanatermesis | apache? o_O |
| 21:14.44 | donfilipo | ok thanks will try that one from directhex apt get... and will be back hopefuly not as masturbator again |
| 21:14.45 | DaveNotik | In retrospect, no. :) But I asked first, instead or relying on my own intuition and got the refresh rate answer. :) |
| 21:14.47 | Phated | Thanatermesis: Who has you ignored, so won't see it. |
| 21:14.47 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 21:14.49 | green-earz | kawaiikun1: if that links there you should have what you want |
| 21:14.56 | DaveNotik | Anyways, thanks! I will follow my intuition. |
| 21:15.38 | Thanatermesis | PerfDave, you speak me... test memory "memtest", test badblocks... check CPU overheating <--- what are this? exist a command to check cpu ? |
| 21:15.39 | Phated | Well, that was a waste of time. "I had a problem, and I knew how to fix it, but I'll ask ANYWAY!" |
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| 21:15.52 | Nafed | PerfDave: the issues is with libapache-mod-php4 and libapache-mod-auth-mysql i thought? |
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| 21:15.58 | resiak | !tell Thanatermesis -about fr |
| 21:16.00 | resiak | !tell Thanatermesis -about es |
| 21:16.03 | valentinos | bye all |
| 21:16.21 | kawaiikun1 | green-earz:pasted |
| 21:16.22 | DaveNotik | Yikes. Sorry, people. =) |
| 21:16.34 | Thanatermesis | sorry resiak , Im don't speak a good english, Im understand |
| 21:16.49 | DaveNotik | I'm only an idiot when it comes to Linux. I figured better safe than sorry, so I asked and got the refresh rate answer... |
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| 21:17.06 | scarynetworkguy | Thanatermesis: Both of those factiods are in languages you claim to speak. |
| 21:17.09 | Phated | Yeah... Just go fix it, and... I dunno, read more or something. |
| 21:17.15 | resiak | Thanatermesis: Exactly. That's why you should go to one of those channels. |
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| 21:17.29 | chealer | Thanatermesis: ton anglais est si pauvre que plusieurs en sont agacés. STP demande sur #debian-fr. pour info utilise cpuburn et lm-sensors pour obtenir les températures |
| 21:17.50 | Phated | What, you could speak french and you waited till now? :/ |
| 21:17.58 | Nafed | PerfDave? |
| 21:18.00 | Thanatermesis | pfff |
| 21:18.06 | Thanatermesis | cpuburn + lmsensors |
| 21:18.08 | Thanatermesis | ok, thanks |
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| 21:18.31 | scarynetworkguy | DaveNotik: Are you new when it comes to thinking? I mean FFS could the error have been any more clear? |
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| 21:19.13 | DaveNotik | scarynetworkguy: Ok, I got it. Thank you for bearing w/ me. |
| 21:19.24 | PerfDave | Nafed: *shrug* Dunno, like I say, I don't run MySQL |
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| 21:19.49 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: say it again! |
| 21:19.52 | Nafed | urk.. i never thought an Operating system would bring me to tears :( lol |
| 21:20.15 | Phated | It's hardly the OS that's causing issues. |
| 21:20.17 | Flimzy | Nafed: You've never heard of "Windows" then |
| 21:20.23 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: WTF does your problem have to do with the os? |
| 21:20.30 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 21:20.45 | Nafed | Flimzy: i dont have any feelings for windows |
| 21:21.06 | Flimzy | Nafed: I have feelings of anger and hate toward windows. |
| 21:21.22 | FieldySnuts | i don't min win, i mind it's users and "admins" |
| 21:21.26 | FieldySnuts | s/min/mind/ |
| 21:21.36 | Phated | s/it's/its/ |
| 21:21.39 | Phated | ;) |
| 21:21.39 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: aka users and abusers |
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| 21:22.00 | FieldySnuts | s/t\'s/t\\'s/g |
| 21:22.00 | foobar__ | prock: ok, thx |
| 21:22.06 | FieldySnuts | neh. |
| 21:22.07 | Nafed | scarynetworkguy im not too sure.. all i know is what should have been a simple proceedure has turned into a complicated issue |
| 21:22.11 | rdr | i just installed a program "apt-get install usbmgr" now some of my modules fail to load?? |
| 21:22.12 | DeFi[gsr-pro] | so what are linux users that have to run windows called? |
| 21:22.25 | Phated | Suicide cases. |
| 21:22.29 | FieldySnuts | DeFi[gsr-pro]: "have to"? don't think so. |
| 21:22.40 | PerfDave | DeFi[gsr-pro]: "People in the wrong job" ;) |
| 21:22.43 | mwilson | hmmm |
| 21:22.44 | FieldySnuts | the whole concept of being forced to use an OS is a load of bull puckey |
| 21:22.47 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: What makes you think it should have been simple? And what make syou think it has anything to do with the OS? |
| 21:22.50 | rdr | i removed it, but it didn't fix the problme |
| 21:22.52 | DeFi[gsr-pro] | all good answers :P |
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| 21:23.10 | Flimzy | DeFi[gsr-pro]: That depends on who's calling them... the users call them geeks. the abusers call them hackers. We call them "unfortunate" |
| 21:23.29 | paulswm | DeFi[gsr-pro]: They're called "pragmatic people who use the appropraite tool for the circumstances" |
| 21:23.31 | valdyn | Nafed: Error: mysql.so does not have a corresponding .info file: Hadn't you fixed that? or was that someone else? |
| 21:23.38 | Nafed | scarynetworkguy: a simple apt-get remove apache, apt-get remove php should have resolved it.. im not sure about you but to me that seems pretty damn easy.. |
| 21:23.45 | Nafed | valdyn it was me |
| 21:23.49 | FieldySnuts | if you're using it by your choice, cool. but "forced"? c'mon. |
| 21:23.53 | Phated | paulswm: And under which circumstances is Windows appropriate? |
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| 21:24.07 | Nafed | everything seemed fine until i went to remove apache and php after reinstalling everything |
| 21:24.07 | scarynetworkguy | Nafed: What was the logic that made you think that should have solved it? |
| 21:24.15 | paulswm | Phated: That should be obvious. |
| 21:24.22 | Phated | Torture... and? |
| 21:24.23 | Nafed | and ive got the mysql.so error again |
| 21:24.27 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: It is far from obvious? |
| 21:24.29 | valdyn | Nafed: so its a bug in the prerm script obviously |
| 21:24.37 | valdyn | Nafed: but uh, i cant fix it =/ |
| 21:24.45 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: Then consider yourself fortunate. |
| 21:24.46 | Nafed | scarynetworkguy: not here to argue. |
| 21:25.06 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: When it's your job to to it. |
| 21:25.10 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Under what circumstances do you think windows would be a better tool for the job? |
| 21:25.13 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: What? |
| 21:25.16 | paulswm | s/to to/to do/ |
| 21:25.25 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: That depends on the job, obviously. |
| 21:25.30 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Name a job. |
| 21:25.34 | Nafed | valdyn would i be able to do manual intalls of each product so that my services stay online? or could that make things worse? |
| 21:25.38 | rdr | i removed it, but it didn't fix the problme |
| 21:25.40 | rdr | i just installed a program "apt-get install usbmgr" now some of my modules fail to load?? |
| 21:25.51 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: WTF did you mean? |
| 21:25.52 | Phated | Miesweeper, for one. I've yet to find a decent Linux clone. |
| 21:25.54 | valdyn | Nafed: you can edit the prerm script yea |
| 21:25.58 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: When it's your job to use Windows. |
| 21:26.11 | valdyn | Nafed: you _could_ make things worse by doing that |
| 21:26.16 | humbolt | Is there a gender imbalance in debian? |
| 21:26.16 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: Don't be circular. :P |
| 21:26.24 | asuffield | Phated: there's about six. but who would want one? |
| 21:26.31 | engelsen | when I user modprobe reiserfs will it be loaded on next boot ? or do I need to add it to modules.conf or somtehing like that ?= |
| 21:26.32 | Nafed | valdyn.. at this point in time.. things can NOT get any worse lol :P |
| 21:26.33 | valdyn | Nafed: ( or whichever script it is ). All result would be some non-adjusted config file |
| 21:26.35 | Phated | asuffield: They all suck. |
| 21:26.45 | asuffield | Phated: so did the original |
| 21:26.51 | Phated | asuffield: Of all the comments to pick up... Go fight scarynetworkguy and paulswm! |
| 21:26.53 | scarynetworkguy | And likely could all be done better with Linux. |
| 21:27.04 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 21:27.14 | Nafed | thanks for your help valdyn :) |
| 21:27.18 | asuffield | I just happened to flip to this window at that moment :P |
| 21:27.21 | chealer | humbolt: yes |
| 21:27.28 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: But generally speaking there are two valid answers to that question. 1) When the support infrastructure in your context only supports Windows. It is often possible to bypass the support infrastructure when the bureaucratic infrastructure allows it. 2) When the application required does not have a suitable counterpart on another more desirable operating system. |
| 21:27.31 | Phated | Ah, serendipity. Cruel cruel mistress. |
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| 21:27.41 | asuffield | she's a bitch |
| 21:27.56 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: It's not a question of whether or not something is possible to do better under Linux. It's a question of whether or not it IS done better under Linux. |
| 21:28.00 | asuffield | humbolt: did you get laid recently? no? then there must be |
| 21:28.08 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: *shrug* I'm not an OS bigot. I'm OK with using either, although my preference is for Linux. |
| 21:28.13 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: PHB? |
| 21:28.14 | humbolt | chealer: Is it a natural one or are there any bariers that keep men from participating? |
| 21:28.15 | Phated | asuffield: Eh, unfair! |
| 21:28.31 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Yeah. I'm bored by you playing buzzword bingo. |
| 21:28.32 | Phated | asuffield: Just because he's incapable of getting laid doesn't mean a gender imbalance, even if there is one! |
| 21:28.48 | PerfDave | I'm not an OS bigot, it's just that Linux gives me less hassle, both as a user and an administrator. Our Linux users love not having to use Windows any more. |
| 21:28.54 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: Ah... that's nice. So you're an OS biggot *and* a troll. |
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| 21:29.08 | asuffield | Phated: with sufficiently good balance, anybody can get laid. it's called a "buyers market" >:) |
| 21:29.13 | resiak | I keep on getting kernel panics. Should I file a bug against kernel-image-2.6.8-2 ? |
| 21:29.13 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: The quesiton was not about employment. It was about under what circumstances Windows is a better way to get something done. |
| 21:29.33 | Phated | asuffield: The problem is that no chick using Linux would lay his type. :) |
| 21:29.40 | FieldySnuts | ,,,' |
| 21:29.41 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Yeah I'm a OS bigot and proud of it. I can't help if you started spouting idiot manager speak instead of talking about the subject at hand. |
| 21:29.46 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: When the only OS available is Windows. |
| 21:29.48 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: If that's truely your question, then your question is invalid in the context you asked it in. |
| 21:30.03 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: You're the one who's mincing the subject. |
| 21:30.05 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: I've never seen a case where that was tru. |
| 21:30.09 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Hm? |
| 21:30.33 | humbolt | I've just read Jonathan Walther announcement he wants to examine what teh barriers are that cause that imbalance. Well, I would say, it is because there are so view female software engeneers! |
| 21:30.38 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: You haven't got out much, then :) |
| 21:30.39 | pureone | most people dont know there is anything other then windows |
| 21:30.41 | chealer | humbolt: heh. no one found how to create sexuated bots yet. that could help the gender imbalance |
| 21:30.42 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: The original subject was "Why might someone be forced to use Windows?" Not the one you're trying to ask... "When is Windows a superior OS for developing a usable application." |
| 21:30.43 | asuffield | krooger's a kook |
| 21:30.49 | pureone | and most people dont care |
| 21:30.54 | Phated | Krooger who? |
| 21:31.00 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: paulswm OK whatever. |
| 21:31.00 | dan2 | if I am using shorewall, the ping time to my local router goes from <1ms to 26\ |
| 21:31.03 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: The answer to the former question has been given. The answer to the latter question (which you seem to be asking, or at lest implying) is probably "almost never" |
| 21:31.14 | PerfDave | Nobody is forced to use Windows. If it bothers you that much, go work as a bartender. |
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| 21:31.14 | asuffield | Jonathan "krooger@debian.org" Walther |
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| 21:31.50 | Flimzy | PerfDave: Just make sure you do it some place that doesn't require bartenders to ring up beverage purchases with a Micros POS :P |
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| 21:31.58 | paulswm | scarynetworkguy: I know of at least 100,000 PCs within 15 minutes of me on which Windows is the only allowed OS |
| 21:32.07 | Phated | asuffield: And he's a kook why? |
| 21:32.10 | asuffield | chealer: bah, you just weren't here back when we had apt and (real) dpkg |
| 21:32.16 | PerfDave | paulswm: Yes, but you work for Big Mouse, who are evil personified ;) |
| 21:32.17 | asuffield | Phated: I don't know why he's a kook, some people are just born that way |
| 21:32.18 | black-dog | can someone tell me how i'm supposed to set the default window manager in gnome/ |
| 21:32.18 | Xsquared | hi all, im just wondering if there is a console text based web browser |
| 21:32.24 | Phated | asuffield: Ahh. |
| 21:32.27 | PerfDave | Xsquared: lynx, links, w3m... |
| 21:32.29 | valdyn | Xsquared: lots |
| 21:32.30 | Phated | Elinks, links2, lynx. |
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| 21:32.32 | scarynetworkguy | paulswm: There is a big difference between allowed and avaliable. :) |
| 21:32.39 | Xsquared | thanks |
| 21:32.53 | rdr | where are all the settings at for hotplug? I'm having trouble with some modules ever since I install a USBMGR program???? |
| 21:32.58 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: If they fire you, then things quickly become unavailable again :P |
| 21:33.08 | resiak | black-dog: Do you really mean that? Do you want to swap Metacity for something else, or do you want to stop using Gnome? |
| 21:33.11 | resiak | !ep |
| 21:33.11 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:33.14 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: You clearly don't know me very well. |
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| 21:33.34 | black-dog | resiak er yes metacity is not apparently working |
| 21:33.40 | resiak | !not working |
| 21:33.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 21:33.50 | black-dog | resiak i'd like to be able to use gnome |
| 21:34.02 | resiak | black-dog: Well, then, fix Metacity. |
| 21:34.06 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: So you're the type of person who, if your boss said "use windows", you would still use Linux, then get fired, then break-and-enter back into your former place of employment, and continue working as though you were an employee? |
| 21:34.11 | black-dog | resiak ps axf says --no-default being used |
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| 21:34.27 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: I don't get fired. |
| 21:34.39 | black-dog | resiak how please, i've installed it with apt not sure what else |
| 21:34.39 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: That wasn't the question. |
| 21:34.57 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Your question was based on a incorrect premise. |
| 21:35.03 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: No. |
| 21:35.06 | scarynetworkguy | Yes. |
| 21:35.14 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: You shifted the premise (as you tend to do frequently) |
| 21:35.29 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: Whatever. This is pointless. |
| 21:35.32 | resiak | !faq black-dog |
| 21:35.32 | dpkg | black-dog: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:35.44 | chealer | asuffield: even more bot complications? coool :) |
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| 21:35.52 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: You tend to try to invalidate general statements based on your very personal experience. |
| 21:35.54 | asuffield | chealer: ancient history now, dpkg is dead |
| 21:36.12 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: Just because MY dog is not a collie does not mean that collies don't exist :P |
| 21:36.14 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: I was talking about me and only me. Not anybody else. |
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| 21:36.32 | chealer | asuffield: I would understand if you said apt is dead, but now I think I'm missing something |
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| 21:37.07 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: You were commenting about you and only you... in a conversation that was about the general population (or at least large segments of it). |
| 21:37.20 | black-dog | resiak thx but that page is of no help |
| 21:37.38 | xst | When I reboot, my alsa mixer settings are restored to some state they had weeks ago (propably before an update). I have made a "dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base" and set it to "always store" but that didn't help. Why aren't the mixer restored with the right settings? |
| 21:38.16 | resiak | black-dog: Has Gnome ever worked on this install? |
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| 21:38.31 | bjx0 | ;) |
| 21:38.32 | bjx0 | Hi. |
| 21:38.41 | black-dog | resiak i'm on gnome now, but its super slow to boot |
| 21:38.59 | resiak | black-dog: You mean load. Does it actually _work_? |
| 21:39.02 | black-dog | resiak cause i guess its running without a window manager |
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| 21:39.20 | black-dog | resiak it is |
| 21:39.30 | resiak | black-dog: It's not running without a window manager. That doesn't happen. You're just experiencing the fact that Gnome is slow. |
| 21:39.37 | resiak | black-dog: What hardware is this? |
| 21:40.04 | azeem | black-dog: maybe your /etc/hosts or similar isn't setup correctly, and dns lookups time out |
| 21:40.06 | black-dog | i can just run wmaker after it boots, ps axf says no default i don't have windows |
| 21:40.27 | black-dog | er hardware dunno amd, kde is fine |
| 21:41.09 | resiak | black-dog: This is all very unhelpful. There is no way that I can help you if you're this vague. |
| 21:41.13 | Pancamo | i'm compiling kernel 2.6.7 and it gives to me help as i write this: "mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.7.img 2.6.7" so anything wrong in it? |
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| 21:41.27 | black-dog | resiak tell me what you want to know and i'll give it to y |
| 21:41.29 | black-dog | u |
| 21:41.40 | black-dog | u wanna know what hardware |
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| 21:42.27 | IRCMonkey | hello |
| 21:42.27 | IRCMonkey | how are you |
| 21:42.27 | dpkg | IRCMonkey: mas o menos |
| 21:42.28 | resiak | black-dog: Not really, no. |
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| 21:42.51 | resiak | black-dog: I'm just wondering if your only problem is that Gnome is slow. If that is your only problem: YES IT IS SLOW! |
| 21:42.54 | black-dog | resiak wtf would dns have to do w/this |
| 21:43.02 | black-dog | kde works fine man |
| 21:43.03 | IRCMonkey | can everybody help me downloading debian? |
| 21:43.05 | resiak | black-dog: WTF shoudl I know? I didn't mention it. |
| 21:43.08 | resiak | !d-i IRCMonkey |
| 21:43.09 | dpkg | IRCMonkey, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 21:43.12 | Zaww | www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 21:43.25 | black-dog | resiak er scroll up but whatever |
| 21:43.31 | xst | The problem with alsa, I described earlier, occurs when I do a "/etc/init.d/alsa restart": Then the mixer settings are reset to some old state. I can't figure why. :-( |
| 21:43.32 | nekrataal | hi, i have a problem, im trying to install two snes joystick on debian sarge on the pararell port, but when i try to load the kernel module gamecon it says:FATAL: Error inserting gamecon (/lib/modules/2.6.7-1-386/kernel/drivers/input/joystick/gamecon.ko): No such device |
| 21:43.32 | nekrataal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.39 | resiak | black-dog: I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU FOOL! |
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| 21:43.47 | nekrataal | but the joysticks are conected to the pararell port... |
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| 21:43.55 | nekrataal | and they worked under windows... |
| 21:44.05 | Flimzy | nekrataal: Does it require parallel port support be loaded first? |
| 21:44.06 | bjx0 | Debian seems to have problems installing on this computer, as soon as boots up with the install cd in, I press enter at boot: and it does the first two things, then the screen goes blank. |
| 21:44.07 | bjx0 | :| |
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| 21:44.28 | black-dog | relax |
| 21:44.37 | black-dog | i can't read the bitchx yellow |
| 21:44.40 | nekrataal | Flimzy i have pararell port suport..i think, because i also use my printer on lp0... |
| 21:44.40 | Flimzy | bjx0: sounds like the default fbconsole driver doesn't like your video hardware |
| 21:44.46 | IRCMonkey | i need to know what "i386" "alpha" and "hppa" means! i've got an "AMD ATHLON XP-mobile". what image do i have to downloadß |
| 21:44.50 | black-dog | someone else said it |
| 21:44.51 | Flimzy | bjx0: You should be able to disable fb support |
| 21:44.51 | Atrocity | ...so...what do i do if the install says "no kernel modules found for yoru release" when isntalling over the network? |
| 21:44.55 | cafuego | don't use bitchx then |
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| 21:45.00 | pureone | ircmonkey its the processer type |
| 21:45.01 | Atrocity | i tried all 3...stable, testing, and unstable |
| 21:45.05 | nanok | IRCMonkey: i386 |
| 21:45.06 | black-dog | cafuego sigh |
| 21:45.07 | resiak | black-dog: That is really not my problem. |
| 21:45.09 | pureone | your want i386 most probley |
| 21:45.10 | Flimzy | nekrataal: Are you trying to install the game pad thingie on lp0 too? |
| 21:45.13 | black-dog | i got term only |
| 21:45.21 | resiak | !tell black-dog -about irssi |
| 21:45.27 | IRCMonkey | are you sure nanok? |
| 21:45.30 | nekrataal | yes, but i dont connect both at a same time...:D |
| 21:45.33 | black-dog | cafuego that is not my main problem |
| 21:45.33 | cafuego | black-dog: what, it's not a difficult conclusion |
| 21:45.39 | Flimzy | nekrataal: okay... that's good. just checking. |
| 21:45.43 | resiak | black-dog: Of course, you're probably using Gnome Terminal, which is _lame_. |
| 21:45.53 | nanok | IRCMonkey: yes, you dont have a pure athlon 64 cpu or smth like that? |
| 21:46.02 | nekrataal | Flimzy: Lol |
| 21:46.03 | black-dog | resiak any other ideas how to set a default win manager ingnome |
| 21:46.10 | nanok | alpha and sparc and ppc are all different architectures |
| 21:46.12 | resiak | *PLONK* |
| 21:46.12 | nekrataal | Flimzy: it cant be done?? |
| 21:46.19 | nanok | what you have is an x86 cpu |
| 21:46.21 | Flimzy | nekrataal: It's been a long time since I did anything fancy with a parallel port... but I nkow there are different modes (that may require different drivers?). You probably need bi-directional mode of some sort for your gamepad, and may not for your pinter. have you looked into that? |
| 21:46.23 | IRCMonkey | no, it's called AMD Athlon XP-M with 1,6 GHz |
| 21:46.27 | bjx0 | Fimzy: So what shall I do? |
| 21:46.36 | bjx0 | *Flimzy |
| 21:46.45 | black-dog | anyoen else have metacity broken in gnome |
| 21:46.49 | Flimzy | bjx0: disable fb support... as I said :P |
| 21:46.58 | bjx0 | How? |
| 21:47.04 | Flimzy | bjx0: look at F1 or F2 or somesuch for how. |
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| 21:47.08 | bjx0 | :| |
| 21:47.12 | Flimzy | bjx0: it should be explained at the boot prompt. |
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| 21:47.17 | IRCMonkey | thx |
| 21:47.40 | bjx0 | I do not see it. |
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| 21:47.52 | Flimzy | bjx0: Did you hit F1, F2, etc? |
| 21:47.53 | black-dog | fuck it i'll just use wmaker after the slow boot |
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| 21:48.10 | resiak | !tell black-dog -about any ideas |
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| 21:48.38 | bjx0 | I did. |
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| 21:48.46 | bjx0 | There's so many things Flimzy |
| 21:48.49 | Flimzy | bjx0: and what did you see? |
| 21:48.58 | bjx0 | Tons and tons of things. |
| 21:49.07 | Flimzy | bjx0: well read them. Hopefully one will be useful. |
| 21:49.07 | citral | Looks like it's time to begin to read |
| 21:49.17 | Flimzy | bjx0: I'm not going to read everything for you. You're a big boy. |
| 21:49.19 | bjx0 | Why won't you just tell me!? |
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| 21:49.30 | cafuego | it's a secret |
| 21:49.32 | Flimzy | bjx0: Well... for one... because you're not paying me. |
| 21:49.40 | Flimzy | bjx0: And for two, because I don't know for sure. |
| 21:49.53 | bjx0 | I'll pay you in G3s |
| 21:49.55 | nanok | Flimzy: :)) |
| 21:49.55 | Flimzy | bjx0: But I told you where to look. That should be good enough. |
| 21:50.05 | nanok | bjx0: try vga=normal |
| 21:50.12 | bjx0 | That's what I type |
| 21:50.13 | bjx0 | Ok |
| 21:50.13 | Flimzy | bjx0: How about you pay me by not being helpless. |
| 21:50.15 | nanok | allthough i can't stake my head on it |
| 21:50.16 | nanok | ;) |
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| 21:50.31 | Flimzy | nanok: Thanks... you shoulda let him RTFM himself. I told him where to read. |
| 21:50.41 | nanok | Flimzy: yeah, i know |
| 21:50.51 | nanok | but it is hard when your at the beggining |
| 21:50.53 | nanok | i was there to |
| 21:50.57 | bjx0 | Could not find kernal image : vga-manual |
| 21:51.03 | bjx0 | *vga=normal |
| 21:51.04 | bjx0 | lol |
| 21:51.10 | resiak | !lol |
| 21:51.10 | dpkg | i guess lol is Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
| 21:51.12 | nanok | yeah |
| 21:51.15 | Flimzy | nanok: He had the damn screen in front of his face. An 80x25 display doesn't take THAT long to read, even when it's full of text. |
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| 21:51.23 | nanok | linux vga=normal |
| 21:51.23 | bjx0 | !lol |
| 21:51.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
| 21:51.26 | citral | linux26 vga=normal maybe? |
| 21:51.45 | nanok | ah, sarge? |
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| 21:51.59 | Flimzy | bjx0: If you had read what I told you to read, you'd be done booting by now. |
| 21:52.11 | Flimzy | bjx0: But I guess you're right... it's better to act helpless and let everyone spoonfeed you. |
| 21:52.16 | nanok | bjx0: it can't hurt to read a litle bit, really |
| 21:52.30 | nanok | we can help you, but we can't type and think for you |
| 21:52.38 | nanok | you will have to get used to it |
| 21:52.45 | bjx0 | Could not find kernal image linux26=vga-normal |
| 21:52.47 | mirak | is there a way to skip a apt package configuration ? |
| 21:52.57 | citral | If you want GNU/Linux you'll _have to_ read anyway |
| 21:53.14 | bjx0 | vga=normal works. |
| 21:53.15 | Flimzy | bjx0: Okay... 1) You didn't even do what they told you to do. 2) You still haven't fsking read what I told you to read. |
| 21:53.25 | citral | bjx0: it's not what I typed. |
| 21:53.25 | bjx0 | linux vga=normal works. |
| 21:53.32 | bjx0 | [3:36pm] <nanok> linux vga=normal |
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| 21:53.48 | nanok | Flimzy: well, he is not even reading what we are "spoonfeeding him" |
| 21:53.50 | green-earz | just wondering are the linspire sell in the us with wal mark ? reason being that here in the uk there is no super market sell liunx yet |
| 21:53.56 | nanok | Flimzy: i give up :/ |
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| 21:54.01 | Flimzy | I bet bjx0 is the kid who brags to all his highschool buddies that he's a "hacker" because he has Linux, too. |
| 21:54.13 | bjx0 | still won't get past the boot screen. |
| 21:54.14 | bjx0 | :( |
| 21:54.18 | mirak | is there a way to skip a apt package configuration ? |
| 21:54.32 | nanok | bjx0: read, pls |
| 21:54.53 | Flimzy | bjx0: does it go blank? or does it give an error? or? |
| 21:55.02 | bjx0 | It goes blank. |
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| 21:55.32 | Flimzy | bjx0: what kind of computer are you doing this on? |
| 21:55.39 | bjx0 | p1 200 IBM |
| 21:56.01 | Phated | What is this, d-i? |
| 21:56.08 | Phated | Will d-i even run on that? |
| 21:56.15 | Flimzy | Phated: I have no idea |
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| 21:56.20 | Flimzy | bjx0: How much RAM does it have? |
| 21:56.26 | bjx0 | 64 mb |
| 21:56.31 | Flimzy | Phated: RAM is the main restriction for d-i, right? |
| 21:56.38 | deadline | ./clear |
| 21:56.43 | Phated | No idea. At 200 mhz it gets kinda fuzzy. |
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| 21:56.53 | Phated | I know it'll run on 500 with 64 megs. |
| 21:56.55 | mirak | is there a way to skip a apt package configuration ? |
| 21:56.56 | bjx0 | cd /dev/null |
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| 21:57.04 | IRCMonkey | what programs are you using for downloading images? |
| 21:57.04 | sussudio | Phated: llama? |
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| 21:57.09 | IRCMonkey | FlashGet e.g.? |
| 21:57.11 | Phated | sussudio: llamallama! |
| 21:57.12 | Flimzy | Phated: I can't imagine Debian not installing on a 200. I'm sure it'll be painfully slow... but Debian is pretty good about making its software backward compatible with hardware. |
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| 21:57.15 | scarynetworkguy | Should install on a 200 but it will be painful. |
| 21:57.16 | sussudio | duck |
| 21:57.25 | Phated | chicken? |
| 21:57.28 | sussudio | http://images2.jokaroo.net/flash/llamasong.swf |
| 21:57.29 | Phated | turducken? |
| 21:57.36 | Flimzy | Phated: I have testing on a P200... altho I did an upgrade from woody. |
| 21:57.39 | Phated | You are a scary man, sussudio. |
| 21:57.50 | asuffield | Debian will run on anything that can be reasonably supported. 486 or later, with about 16Mb of memory, is the current minimum |
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| 21:57.55 | Phated | In that case... Well, it's probably something else. |
| 21:58.05 | brosio | how could i show the package that are racomanded to install with a program ? |
| 21:58.07 | nanok | that is, 133Mhz, 32M ram |
| 21:58.09 | bjx0 | Well, what shall I do? |
| 21:58.10 | nanok | :) |
| 21:58.14 | Flimzy | asuffield: I'm sure it'll run on a 386, too. Given enough RAM. |
| 21:58.15 | Phated | apt-cache show <package> |
| 21:58.21 | asuffield | Flimzy: not at present |
| 21:58.27 | Flimzy | asuffield: Last time I tried on a 386, the installer required ~9mb RAM (I only had 8mb) |
| 21:58.32 | deadline | i run debian sarge on 2 p200 mmx boxes |
| 21:58.34 | brosio | Phated, but i can't show the racomandade packages |
| 21:58.39 | asuffield | Flimzy: used to, and might again in the future, but right now we've let 386 support drop |
| 21:58.40 | Flimzy | asuffield: Really? What's been built with 486isms? |
| 21:58.44 | asuffield | Flimzy: gcc |
| 21:58.45 | Phated | Really.. |
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| 21:58.55 | brosio | oh yes |
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| 21:59.18 | Flimzy | asuffield: Is everything 486-optimized now? Or is it still built for 386 with the hope of going back to 386 later? |
| 21:59.38 | Phated | brosio: Strange, works for me. Maybe that package just doesn't have recommends? |
| 21:59.43 | IRCMonkey | how do i get the bit-number of my PC?? i've got a AMD Athlon XP-M |
| 21:59.47 | asuffield | Flimzy: we need the atomic locking instructions that appeared in the 486 instruction set. there is a kernel patch to simulate them on 386. it does not currently work |
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| 21:59.55 | Flimzy | IRCMonkey: bit number? |
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| 22:00.02 | azeem | Flimzy: "debian now optimized for 486" would make for some good laughs |
| 22:00.02 | Flimzy | asuffield: ahh |
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| 22:00.20 | Flimzy | azeem: only out of context, heh |
| 22:00.26 | asuffield | so woody is probably the last release with 386 support, unless or until somebody cares enough to fix the offending kernel stuff |
| 22:00.38 | aeromax | hey, i resized one of my storage reiserfs partitions |
| 22:00.38 | azeem | djpig does/did, I thought |
| 22:00.43 | asuffield | which frankly is rather unlikely |
| 22:00.56 | aeromax | with qtparted, now wheni try to write to that partition my pc freezes |
| 22:01.00 | azeem | http://higgs.djpig.de/upgrade-i386/ |
| 22:01.07 | Flimzy | asuffield: I dunno... there's enough embedded Linux stuff going on that chances are someone somewhere will want that to work on an embedded 386 system someday. |
| 22:01.21 | azeem | not sure this is what I think it is, though |
| 22:01.31 | asuffield | Flimzy: there's no good reason for using a 386 processor rather than a via C3 athlon-compatible chip |
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| 22:01.42 | IRCMonkey | debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso - is this the right one or do i need to download the binary 2 also?? |
| 22:01.49 | abrotman | asuffield: i thought gcc abandoned 386 ? |
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| 22:01.50 | asuffield | Flimzy: certainly no reason not to use a 486 |
| 22:01.51 | aeromax | anyone know why or wat i can do? |
| 22:01.51 | bjx0 | ;) |
| 22:01.53 | Flimzy | asuffield: There is if your embedded hardware application has a 386 CPU on it. |
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| 22:02.15 | asuffield | Flimzy: that probably doesn't have enough memory to run Debian anyway |
| 22:02.30 | asuffield | abrotman: gcc support isn't required; you can just simulate it in the kernel |
| 22:02.31 | Flimzy | asuffield: maybe. |
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| 22:02.34 | nanok | aeromax: yes, donot use fscking qtparted :/ |
| 22:02.41 | asuffield | abrotman: but right now we have neither |
| 22:02.56 | abrotman | asuffield: oh goodie |
| 22:03.01 | Flimzy | asuffield: A 386 can support up to 32mb RAM... which should be enough for an emedded application. But yes.. probably not Debian proper. |
| 22:03.17 | IRCMonkey | debian-30r4-i386-binary-1.iso - is this the right one or do i need to download the binary 2 also??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 22:03.20 | Flimzy | asuffield: Unless it was just a "because I can" kind of thing |
| 22:03.22 | asuffield | Debian will work in 32Mb, but a 386 in the field isn't going to have that much |
| 22:03.23 | Phated | JESUS CHRIST |
| 22:03.29 | abrotman | !tell IRCMonkey about ep |
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| 22:03.34 | Pancamo | hmm |
| 22:03.34 | asuffield | IRCMonkey: get your face off the sodding ? key |
| 22:03.36 | Pancamo | Fatal: Default image doesn't exist. |
| 22:03.36 | Pancamo | Removed temporary file /boot/map~ |
| 22:03.36 | Flimzy | asuffield: I've had a 386 with that much :P |
| 22:03.38 | IRCMonkey | what's ep |
| 22:03.45 | bjx0 | Well, since I can't get Debian to worth, Ill switch to Gentoo |
| 22:03.46 | bjx0 | Bye! |
| 22:03.46 | Flimzy | asuffield: And it may as well be in a field now... for as much use as I get out of it :P |
| 22:03.56 | Flimzy | bjx0: good luck. |
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| 22:04.06 | resiak | !d-i IRCMonkey |
| 22:04.06 | dpkg | IRCMonkey, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:04.10 | resiak | I've said that earlier. |
| 22:04.11 | Flimzy | bjx0: I hope you enjoy wasting your CPU cycles... and gentoo's channel's time. |
| 22:04.40 | Flimzy | bjx0: They'll appreciate you wasting their time more than we do anyway... sine they like wasting time. |
| 22:04.41 | resiak | bjx0: Fantastic. Bye. |
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| 22:05.43 | IRCMonkey | i don't understand what's on thos site |
| 22:05.54 | abrotman | !german |
| 22:05.54 | dpkg | somebody said german was #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
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| 22:06.22 | resiak | IRCMonkey: Get one of those install imagex. |
| 22:06.53 | resiak | IRCMonkey: It's not hard. My retired father installed Sarge with no help (at least, not until _after_ the downloading of the iso). |
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| 22:08.15 | schuler | when installing sid on my pc the i had an overflow of the root partition; it |
| 22:08.16 | schuler | was too small; after repairing that by symlinking /usr and /var to a free |
| 22:08.16 | schuler | partition; aptitude noticed me that it can never lock cache for apt; |
| 22:08.16 | schuler | i removed some lock files; but the problem is still there; aptitude works only |
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| 22:08.56 | schuler | when installing sid on my pc the i had an overflow of the root partition; it |
| 22:08.57 | schuler | was too small; after repairing that by symlinking /usr and /var to a free |
| 22:08.57 | schuler | partition; aptitude noticed me that it can never lock cache for apt; |
| 22:08.57 | schuler | i removed some lock files; but the problem is still there; aptitude works only |
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| 22:09.03 | chealer | wow |
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| 22:09.12 | chealer | !tennisirc |
| 22:09.12 | dpkg | from memory, tennisirc is see irctennis |
| 22:09.20 | chealer | !irctennis |
| 22:09.20 | dpkg | i guess irctennis is see tennisirc |
| 22:09.28 | lord_rob | :) |
| 22:10.06 | Phated | Jesus... TWICE... It's fucking Monday already, FFS. |
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| 22:10.22 | sussudio | nein |
| 22:10.24 | sussudio | sunday |
| 22:10.25 | schuler | when installing sid on my pc the i had an overflow of the root partition; it |
| 22:10.29 | IRCMonkey | no, it's sunday |
| 22:10.30 | paulswm | schuler: symlinking /usr and /var like that isn't a repair, it's a horrible kludge, better to replan your partitioning and reinstall |
| 22:10.35 | IRCMonkey | you dickhead |
| 22:10.36 | Phated | Only in your unfortunate timezones. |
| 22:10.44 | FieldySnuts | :x |
| 22:10.44 | Pancamo | anyone got little time for explaining what's wrong in this http://paste.husk.org/2754 and i followed my guide(url what ifound with google) so it should work but gave me that error |
| 22:10.44 | IRCMonkey | fuck you |
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| 22:10.54 | FieldySnuts | @ops IRCMonkey trolling |
| 22:10.56 | Phated | Yeah, fuck you too, but I can't think of anyone who would want to. |
| 22:11.02 | pw | !britsmite IRCMonkey |
| 22:11.04 | IRCMonkey | ok |
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| 22:11.07 | FieldySnuts | i wonder if i'll ever learn that ravenbird aint comin back |
| 22:11.08 | resiak | !ops IRCMonkey is a tard. |
| 22:11.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: IRCMonkey is a tard. |
| 22:11.18 | sussudio | stop abusing ops |
| 22:11.22 | paulswm | IRCMonkey: chill |
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| 22:11.28 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: this coming from you. |
| 22:11.35 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 22:11.38 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 22:11.46 | FieldySnuts | dachs dachs or something |
| 22:11.46 | abrotman | how is it abuse? |
| 22:11.47 | sussudio | there was no call for using it twice |
| 22:11.54 | abrotman | they didn't use it twice |
| 22:11.56 | resiak | sussudio: It wasn't used twice. |
| 22:11.56 | FieldySnuts | it only got used once. raven isn't here |
| 22:11.58 | IRCMonkey | sorry, i just wanted to test if i got kicked or sthing |
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| 22:12.07 | schuler | paulswm: thanks |
| 22:12.09 | IRCMonkey | this is my first time in an IRC |
| 22:12.09 | FieldySnuts | IRCMonkey: nah you can get away with murder on sundays |
| 22:12.12 | azeem | IRCMonkey: what's your problem? |
| 22:12.14 | Phated | Fucker. |
| 22:12.18 | azeem | Phated: ? |
| 22:12.23 | Phated | Not you. |
| 22:12.25 | IRCMonkey | nothing1 |
| 22:12.33 | azeem | Phated: eh, why do you say it to anyone? |
| 22:12.34 | FieldySnuts | naughty Phated |
| 22:12.35 | Phated | Yeah, just randomly abusing people. |
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| 22:12.40 | IRCMonkey | you're really helpful... that's good |
| 22:12.42 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Don't bug me. |
| 22:12.46 | azeem | Phated: you might be in the wrong chan? |
| 22:12.55 | Phated | azeem: No, it was pretty much the right chan. |
| 22:12.57 | asuffield | I would just like to take this moment to remind people of http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19 |
| 22:13.02 | IRCMonkey | IRC is better than other chats |
| 22:13.08 | paulswm | schuler: You are welcome, that situation is going to be a horrible thing with which to live, buddy |
| 22:13.18 | abrotman | IRCMonkey: are you here for help with debian? |
| 22:13.33 | Phated | "I'll abuse people randomly to see if I get kicked!" Great idea. |
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| 22:13.44 | Shadur | asuffield: Gabe's Internet Asshat theory? |
| 22:13.53 | FieldySnuts | "asshat" heh |
| 22:13.54 | IRCMonkey | not now... i'm downloading a debian distribution right now.... i've already installed ubuntu |
| 22:14.05 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 22:14.06 | dpkg | hmm... ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 22:14.10 | asuffield | Greater Internet Fuckwad theory |
| 22:14.21 | FieldySnuts | there you go fuckin up the good mood of the channel (bringing up ub*ntu) |
| 22:14.28 | chealer | asuffield: hahahaha :) |
| 22:14.32 | Phated | What, you mean he didn't already do it? |
| 22:14.36 | nanok | neah |
| 22:14.49 | nanok | comon guys, dont be like that |
| 22:14.51 | cafuego | The "I must need therapy if everything i see is a product of my imagination" theory |
| 22:14.56 | nanok | ubuntu is ubuntu debian is debian |
| 22:14.58 | mikecd | I'm more fond of this one as a commentary on discourse on the internet: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-11-03&res=l |
| 22:15.02 | abrotman | nanok: shut up |
| 22:15.03 | nanok | cant we all just get along?... |
| 22:15.03 | nanok | :P |
| 22:15.11 | FieldySnuts | not today |
| 22:15.13 | nanok | abrotman: :) |
| 22:15.15 | Phated | Yeah, we can, once we're segragated. |
| 22:15.23 | Phated | s/segra/segre/ |
| 22:15.37 | dan2 | anybody know how to make shorewall's logging go away |
| 22:15.40 | nanok | damn, some pretty pissed off ppl in here today.. |
| 22:15.48 | abrotman | dan2: have it log to devnull ? |
| 22:15.51 | paulswm | crap |
| 22:16.13 | cafuego | nanok: I dunno abnout tofay, but if it's been a sunday like many others, it's amazing there not more flaming. |
| 22:16.24 | valdyn | dan2: you mean iptable's kernel messages? |
| 22:16.24 | inc|freaky | how can i watch .wmv videos under linux? |
| 22:16.41 | nanok | well, can anyone give me a hint. i am trying to bring a nic up qith ifconfig, ant it screams SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy |
| 22:16.50 | abrotman | inc|freaky: you need the codecs from mplayer afaik |
| 22:16.54 | paulswm | cafuego: Have been bobbing in and out but I don't think today is a statistical anomaly :) |
| 22:16.59 | asuffield | inc|freaky: xine. depending on the embedded codecs, you may also need some crap taken from win32 |
| 22:17.03 | abrotman | nanok: sounds like the device is in use eh ? |
| 22:17.09 | cafuego | paulswm: Full of tards then. Figures. |
| 22:17.17 | Pancamo | what i should do now? http://paste.husk.org/2754 or what's missing? |
| 22:17.18 | abrotman | IRCMonkey: don't msg me |
| 22:17.19 | abrotman | or anyone |
| 22:17.19 | nanok | it is a 2.2 kernel btw, the one on woody, 2.2.20, and the card is a realtek chipset pcmcia |
| 22:17.20 | IRCMonkey | FUCK YOU |
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| 22:17.35 | IRCMonkey | that was my friend, sorry |
| 22:17.36 | nanok | abrotman: :) yes, but i cant see how it could be? |
| 22:17.41 | abrotman | IRCMonkey: go away |
| 22:17.41 | cafuego | !ops IRCMonkey needs managing |
| 22:17.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: IRCMonkey needs managing |
| 22:17.43 | paulswm | He, as if to prove cafuego's point |
| 22:17.46 | azeem | IRCMonkey: please leave this chan if you cannot control your client |
| 22:17.48 | lord_rob | inc|freaky: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 22:17.51 | abrotman | nanok: dmesg ? |
| 22:18.00 | nanok | i also did ifconfig eth0 down before bringing it up.. |
| 22:18.05 | Shadur | IRCMonkey: You need new friends. |
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| 22:18.09 | inc|freaky | lord_rob: thx :D |
| 22:18.10 | nanok | abrotman: hm.. just a sec |
| 22:18.27 | lord_rob | inc|freaky: they are not in main debian archive |
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| 22:18.32 | mrhemlock | !sing sunday |
| 22:18.33 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 22:18.52 | abrotman | yay |
| 22:19.01 | cafuego | First smart thing I've seen it do. |
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| 22:19.07 | Shadur | [23:18] <IRCMonkey> you need new friends you dickhead |
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| 22:19.13 | mrhemlock | that scared it |
| 22:19.16 | lord_rob | inc|freaky: add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to your sources.list then it is installable (as well as mplayer) |
| 22:19.19 | Shadur | Hah. At least I have friends and don't need to lie about them to disguise a terminal case of Tourette's. |
| 22:19.36 | abrotman | i don't think that's a terminal illness |
| 22:19.44 | cafuego | it's also verbal |
| 22:19.46 | Shadur | abrotman: It's not? Dang. |
| 22:19.50 | abrotman | lord_rob: are you sure he's using unstable ? |
| 22:19.53 | ericb_ | mount -o loop ./erp_cd.iso ./test/ mount: only root can do that <- never understood why only root could mount filesystems... |
| 22:19.56 | abrotman | !tell lord_rob about mplayer |
| 22:19.56 | paulswm | It is if you're using a terminal |
| 22:19.57 | nanok | abrotman: well, the last thing it says is from modprobe-ing 8139too, and all seems..ok |
| 22:20.06 | abrotman | nanok: ok |
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| 22:20.18 | inc|freaky | what can i do if some programs got a very very small font in kde? |
| 22:20.20 | nanok | btw, also mii-tool and the LED on the card say i have a link |
| 22:20.28 | Atrocity | what do i do if the mirrors and the install floppys are on 2 different kernels? |
| 22:20.30 | inc|freaky | there seems to be a font missing but they aint got no font-selection in the options |
| 22:20.33 | Atrocity | redownload the new ones? |
| 22:20.48 | nekrataal | i, im trying to install two snes pad on the pararell port, but when i load the kernel module gamecon it says no such device...i searched on the internet and all that came out was this http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/08/msg00422.html |
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| 22:21.19 | lord_rob | abrotman: are you sure you had to tell ME about mplayer and not inc|freaky ? |
| 22:21.22 | nekrataal | anyone knows something that may help me? |
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| 22:21.44 | deadline | how can i change the fontstyle in gkrellm? somebody knows? |
| 22:22.00 | tarzeau | deadline: edit gtk1rc ? |
| 22:22.14 | tarzeau | deadline: doesn't it have some themeing stuff that you can edit? |
| 22:22.24 | cafuego | ericb_: A user could otherwise hard mount an NFS server and take the nfs server down. |
| 22:22.38 | deadline | tarzeau: you can change the themes by installing them. but i cannot find any font option |
| 22:22.46 | tarzeau | maybe ~/.gtkrc works. there's a tool to edit fonts for gtk1 and 2 ... |
| 22:22.53 | abrotman | lord_rob: sorry :) |
| 22:23.03 | Pancamo | what i should do now? http://paste.husk.org/2754 or what's missing?(compiling kernel..) |
| 22:23.06 | nanok | abrotman: any idea what i should look for? |
| 22:23.06 | tarzeau | deadline: no idea i don't use it. i prefer timemon.app :) |
| 22:23.08 | deadline | tarzeau: are you sure these fonts are running with gtk? |
| 22:23.12 | abrotman | !tell inc|freaky about mplayer |
| 22:23.16 | nanok | never seen this before :/ |
| 22:23.19 | tarzeau | deadline: pretty, yes. look at the package deps |
| 22:23.27 | abrotman | nanok: sounds like it's in use .. ifconfig -a |
| 22:23.34 | deadline | tarzeau: k |
| 22:23.41 | ericb_ | cafuego well that isn't good security anyway.. if I get access to the network as root and mount the nfs server and take it down... assuming a user cannot mount something on the network isn't good security... |
| 22:23.47 | tarzeau | deadline: gtk2 ... |
| 22:24.03 | deadline | tarzeau: could i do that with gtk-theme-switch? |
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| 22:24.16 | lord_rob | abrotman: no problem :) |
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| 22:24.21 | asuffield | ericb_: NFS isn't good security |
| 22:24.30 | tarzeau | deadline: yeah |
| 22:24.42 | nanok | abrotman: after i do ifconfig eth0 someip netmask somenetmask and it screams it is in use, on ifconfig -a it displays eth0 with the settings i chose, however i cannot connect trough it |
| 22:24.56 | nanok | obviouslly, i did do ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:25.00 | nanok | many times :) |
| 22:25.08 | nanok | before trying to bring it up |
| 22:25.14 | tarzeau | nanok: connect to what? |
| 22:25.15 | simonrvn | nanok: you also need to set the default route if you need to use one |
| 22:25.16 | nanok | (ant checked it was down |
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| 22:25.20 | tarzeau | a machine in the same network or another? |
| 22:25.24 | asuffield | ericb_: anyway, per-user loopback mount isn't permitted because permitting it would be extremely difficult, due to all the things you *can't* permit at the same time |
| 22:25.29 | nanok | in the same network ofc |
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| 22:25.38 | dgtld2p | greetins |
| 22:25.40 | dgtld2p | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.46 | nanok | tarzeau: i am just trying to bring up the iface, after that, no problem |
| 22:25.58 | dgtld2p | how do i run my own root TLD for internal usage so i can have "http://foo.testing" ? |
| 22:26.11 | abrotman | nanok: did you try bringing it down first? |
| 22:26.14 | abrotman | !tell nanok about interfaces |
| 22:26.15 | tarzeau | nanok: is it an nvidia nforce, maybe? |
| 22:26.15 | dgtld2p | ive got bind9 installed |
| 22:26.22 | simonrvn | just use your hostname |
| 22:26.35 | nanok | obviouslly, i did do ifconfig eth0 down |
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| 22:26.39 | nanok | before trying to bring it up |
| 22:26.47 | nanok | many times :) |
| 22:26.47 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
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| 22:26.54 | nanok | (ant checked it was down |
| 22:26.58 | dgtld2p | thanks having a look now |
| 22:27.00 | travisat | nanok: ifdown eth0 |
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| 22:27.05 | simonrvn | yes, we know |
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| 22:27.44 | tarzeau | dpkg nickometer NEED---HELLLPPPP |
| 22:27.44 | dpkg | 'NEED---HELLLPPPP' is 99.9483% lame, tarzeau |
| 22:27.48 | dgtld2p | tarzeau nuh not quite what im after |
| 22:28.20 | deadline | tarzeau: font does not change. did gtk-theme-switch and also gtk-theme-switch2. gtk themes change and the font in gtk windows, but gkrellm keeps beeing untouched |
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| 22:28.34 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | how do i know the architecture of my pc? |
| 22:28.37 | tarzeau | deadline: well i'm so glad i don't use it then |
| 22:28.48 | tarzeau | NEED---HELLLPPPP: type arch |
| 22:28.50 | deadline | tarzeau: lol |
| 22:28.50 | dgtld2p | NEED---HELLLPPPP cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:29.02 | dgtld2p | tarzeau i wanna run a .testing TLD for internal office use |
| 22:29.03 | tarzeau | deadline: wanna try some more consistent software? |
| 22:29.10 | dgtld2p | tarzeau i can do this in MS DNS with a few clicks |
| 22:29.13 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: well read the url i gave you then |
| 22:29.19 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: go use ms dns then. |
| 22:29.21 | nanok | abrotman: starngelly enough, what you "asked" dpkg to tell me might help :). looking now, will be back to say if it worked |
| 22:29.22 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | no, in linu |
| 22:29.22 | deadline | tarzeau: which one? |
| 22:29.29 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | i mean in windows |
| 22:29.29 | tarzeau | deadline: timemon.app (gnustep magic ;) |
| 22:29.30 | abrotman | !ops NEED---HELLLPPPP is IRCMonkey who was cuasing problems before and seems to be trolling again |
| 22:29.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: NEED---HELLLPPPP is IRCMonkey who was cuasing problems before and seems to be trolling again |
| 22:29.33 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | in linux i already no it |
| 22:29.36 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | know it |
| 22:29.37 | nanok | (it seems for pcmcia cards it is a bit different) |
| 22:29.41 | tarzeau | NEED---HELLLPPPP: your nick sucks ass |
| 22:29.45 | dgtld2p | tarzeau this document is telling me how to run my own DNS for regualr internet TLD stuff, not my own |
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| 22:29.58 | Nafed | is there any possible way to wipe all records of a particular package from ur box |
| 22:29.59 | soften | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.03 | abrotman | !ur |
| 22:30.03 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 22:30.05 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: damn it's still weekend |
| 22:30.06 | abrotman | Nafed: man dpkg |
| 22:30.09 | Pancamo | what does this should do: "/sbin/lilo -v -v"? |
| 22:30.13 | dgtld2p | tarzeau so? |
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| 22:30.19 | Nafed | abrotman dpkg wont do it |
| 22:30.23 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: ask dpkg about sunday |
| 22:30.33 | dgtld2p | typical linux nerds |
| 22:30.37 | nekrataal | i, im trying to install two snes pad on the pararell port, but when i load the kernel module gamecon it says no such device...i searched on the internet and all that came out was this http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/08/msg00422.html |
| 22:30.37 | deadline | tarzeau: where can i get a .deb? |
| 22:30.39 | nekrataal | anyone knows something that may help me? |
| 22:30.41 | Nafed | theres some stupid mysql.so error making it impossible to remove |
| 22:30.46 | dgtld2p | linux is soo great yet cant get this working :( |
| 22:30.49 | Nafed | and if i dont ave this issue fixed in an hour |
| 22:30.50 | tarzeau | deadline: that's not what you want... |
| 22:30.51 | abrotman | Nafed: bullshit |
| 22:30.54 | dgtld2p | dpkg what about sunday ? |
| 22:30.57 | Nafed | im gonna have to install windows |
| 22:30.59 | tarzeau | deadline: ah wait, www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/timemon/ |
| 22:31.00 | abrotman | Nafed: then your machine is broken |
| 22:31.06 | abrotman | and you did it |
| 22:31.06 | tarzeau | deadline: it's stuck in the new queue .. |
| 22:31.14 | dgtld2p | tarzeau so where to from here? |
| 22:31.19 | deadline | tarzeau: heh k thx |
| 22:31.27 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: well it's really the same. |
| 22:31.34 | Nafed | abrotman dont accuse me of bullshitting |
| 22:31.41 | abrotman | Nafed: then you're lying |
| 22:31.43 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: if you don't get it, you didn't get DNS |
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| 22:32.00 | thenuke | Nafed: whats your problem |
| 22:32.03 | tarzeau | deadline: but with timemon.app you want to throw away your kde and gnome and all gtk :) |
| 22:32.09 | dgtld2p | tarzeau these cofnigs assume you are using the existing db.root stuff |
| 22:32.13 | tarzeau | deadline: you want to install gnustep and gnustep-devel (and be in sid or testing) |
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| 22:32.35 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: i can't give you a dns course in one liners on irc.. i'm sorry |
| 22:32.41 | Nafed | thenuke sql stopped working with apache/php so i tried apt-get remove apache and php but it is returning errors, ill pastebin them now |
| 22:32.42 | abrotman | there is #dns |
| 22:32.46 | tarzeau | dgtld2p: but if you travel to switzerland, and pay me a beer... |
| 22:33.07 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | do i need the binary-1.iso or the binary-1-NONUS???????????????????? |
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| 22:33.21 | tarzeau | NEED---HELLLPPPP: you don't want stable |
| 22:33.22 | abrotman | !tell NEED---HELLLPPPP about d-i |
| 22:33.40 | tyln | "failed in buffer_read(fd)". common message I get when trying to perform simple tasks such as md5sum on a cdrom device file... can anybody tell me what causes this and perhaps give me a work-around for checking burned disks |
| 22:33.43 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | i want stable |
| 22:33.46 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | not a testing version |
| 22:33.48 | deadline | tarzeau: i dont use gnome nor kde |
| 22:33.49 | PerfDave | NEED---HELLLPPPP: What country are you in? |
| 22:33.54 | abrotman | austria |
| 22:33.56 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | australia |
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| 22:34.02 | PerfDave | !non-us |
| 22:34.02 | dpkg | non-us is probably where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, ... |
| 22:34.02 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | no, australia |
| 22:34.04 | abrotman | at isn't austrailia |
| 22:34.07 | abrotman | .at |
| 22:34.11 | deadline | tarzeau: just downloaded the source tarball, what do i need else except building it? |
| 22:34.15 | PerfDave | NEED---HELLLPPPP: You want NON-US |
| 22:34.19 | tarzeau | NEED---HELLLPPPP: i'm sure you don't want stable |
| 22:34.30 | tarzeau | PerfDave: even private people in the us want non-us |
| 22:34.41 | tarzeau | PerfDave: well anyone who runs no mirror/exports it wants non-us |
| 22:34.44 | Nafed | thenuke http://www.pastebin.com/250250 i sent a reportbug but they keep bouncing me about to different people |
| 22:34.51 | tarzeau | deadline: ah sorry |
| 22:34.56 | thenuke | Nafed: man apt-get or dpkg will tell you how to remove apache AND configs and so on |
| 22:34.57 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | ok |
| 22:35.00 | tarzeau | deadline: gnustep-devel i think |
| 22:35.05 | NEED---HELLLPPPP | thx |
| 22:35.08 | tarzeau | deadline: just try debuild it, it'll tell you |
| 22:35.08 | azeem | there's no practical difference between regular or non-us these days I think |
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| 22:35.25 | tarzeau | azeem: yet the non-us archive can't be removed... |
| 22:35.25 | deadline | tarzeau: ok thx |
| 22:35.37 | azeem | tarzeau: why not? |
| 22:35.41 | Agrajag- | gday.. im wondering if it's possible to get clamav + exim4 working so that all it does is add a header to an email if it contains a virus, so the user can deal with it (with procmail or whatever). is this possible? i can't find any howto's on this |
| 22:35.42 | simonrvn | austria, .at. like abrotman said |
| 22:35.48 | Nafed | thenuke its not a matter of not knowing how to remove the packages, if you look at my pastebin its more along the lines of files missing |
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| 22:35.53 | tarzeau | azeem: lack of resources? no idea |
| 22:36.06 | abrotman | Agrajag-: ask #exim maybe? |
| 22:36.13 | keith_ | Debian3r4. Internal modem. Can I use an internal modem and if so what software do I need? |
| 22:36.17 | tarzeau | azeem: i remember half a year ago the last package was orphaned that needed it (the not openssh ssh?) |
| 22:36.22 | Agrajag- | abrotman: ok, ta |
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| 22:36.36 | simonrvn | keith_: if it's a winmodem, you're in for a hard time |
| 22:36.45 | PerfDave | keith_: You can use an internal modem. You might have trouble if it's a winmodem. |
| 22:36.55 | azeem | tarzeau: AFAIK, non-us will be shut down by the time sarge releases |
| 22:37.04 | azeem | there's just more pressing things to look at right now |
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| 22:37.12 | azeem | in any case, it's not a practical probelm |
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| 22:37.33 | tarzeau | azeem: great! it was about time. now let's hope non-free and contrib can be moved away from official debian.org soon, too |
| 22:37.46 | tarzeau | azeem: yes i know it wasn't a practical problem |
| 22:37.51 | tarzeau | azeem: it seldomly is |
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| 22:37.58 | PerfDave | Well, Sarge has no non-us at all, due to relaxation of the export restricitons. |
| 22:38.11 | tarzeau | PerfDave: thanks america! |
| 22:38.16 | PerfDave | I don't think there's actually any need for Woody to have it, other than historical reasons. |
| 22:38.17 | nvz | I noticed that, though I didnt know why |
| 22:38.38 | azeem | OTOH non-free is a practical problem, so that's another can of worms we don't want to open on Sunday evenings |
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| 22:38.50 | cafuego | Of course, you're not allowed to use ssh in iraq |
| 22:38.52 | tarzeau | azeem: knew #debian-nonfree ? |
| 22:39.05 | azeem | yeah, but I haven't been there in years |
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| 22:39.19 | cafuego | ha! prove it! |
| 22:39.26 | tarzeau | azeem: it's great everytime when someone says "one less non-free" ;) |
| 22:39.43 | cafuego | is that a remote detonator in your pocket or are you just happy tos ee me? |
| 22:39.44 | deadline | tarzeau: just read the docs. how the hell do i have to install? |
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| 22:39.56 | nvz | hehe |
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| 22:40.02 | tarzeau | deadline: you did dpkg-source -x timemon*.dsc ? |
| 22:40.06 | MarktMkrz | I"ve kind of exhausted the google/debian.org searches; i'm a newbie; ..just looking for a simple answer, nothing in-depth; friend has setup and scripted a debian-linux server and set it up in a datacenter; i will be the one who goes in and runs errands; specifically ..2 times per week, plug in USB External hard drive; copy/paste some files; unplug drive; how long does the mounting-setup-recognition of the USB drive take? is it complica |
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| 22:40.30 | deadline | tarzeau: no, what does that do? |
| 22:40.33 | keith_ | PerfDave: It probably is a winmodem. It doesn't really matter. I prefer an external so I can see the responses. I was merely curious about the internal. I thought the OS would recognize it auto. |
| 22:40.36 | abrotman | !tell MarktMkrz about usb-storage |
| 22:40.50 | tarzeau | deadline: unpack the timemon source package |
| 22:40.58 | PerfDave | keith_: It doesn't matter whether it's internal or external, it matters whether it's a modem or a winmodem. |
| 22:41.06 | tarzeau | deadline: you will want to cd into the newly created directory and run debuild |
| 22:41.07 | PerfDave | keith_: 3.0r4 doesn't do much in the way of autodetection. |
| 22:41.19 | deadline | tarzeau: i did, there are the docs i read. .rtf manuals/ but there is that .dsc file? |
| 22:41.35 | tarzeau | deadline: yeah look at it with any editor |
| 22:41.45 | tarzeau | deadline: .rtf are fine. got TextEdit.app ? |
| 22:41.59 | deadline | tarzeau: no |
| 22:42.33 | tyln | some internal modems register a serial port... the serial port is found automatically, but it's still up to the user to set the serial port up as a modem |
| 22:42.41 | deadline | tarzeau: my tarball is called timemon-4.0.tar.gz. is this the right one? |
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| 22:43.12 | tarzeau | deadline: no, you want the debian source files: timemon.app_4.0-1.diff.gz timemon.app_4.0-1.dsc timemon.app_4.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 22:43.25 | deadline | tarzeau: oh |
| 22:44.02 | keith_ | PerfDave: Every external modem has worked for me. I don't even know if they're winmodem or whatever. I am waiting for Sarge. I thought it would have benn released by now. |
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| 22:44.09 | nekrataal | i, im trying to install two snes pad on the pararell port, but when i load the kernel module gamecon it says no such device...i searched on the internet and all that came out was this http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/08/msg00422.html |
| 22:44.10 | nekrataal | anyone knows something that may help me? |
| 22:44.19 | PerfDave | keith_: External serial modems are all (AFAIK) real modems. Not sure about USB modems. |
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| 22:44.56 | tarzeau | nekrataal: i'm not sure but maybe you need a device in /dev ? |
| 22:45.05 | deadline | tarzeau: downloaded all 3 tarballs. what now |
| 22:45.14 | tarzeau | deadline: dpkg-source -x time*.dsc |
| 22:45.30 | nekrataal | tarzeau: what do you mean?? |
| 22:45.40 | Opiated | I was able to use the page up and page down keys, as well as the up/down arrow keys to scroll through the buffer in xterm, but I can't seem to do it on this machine, I just installed sarge/X/xfce4 and xterm. What do I need to do in order to get those keys to start performing the said funtions in xterm? |
| 22:45.54 | nekrataal | ive read some forums, and its a problem everyone has with sarge 2.6 kernels... |
| 22:45.58 | deadline | tarzeau: done && and now? |
| 22:46.08 | tarzeau | deadline: cd into the newly created directory |
| 22:46.18 | tarzeau | nekrataal: some devices have a /dev/file |
| 22:46.31 | deadline | tarzeau: yes.... |
| 22:46.39 | tarzeau | deadline: type "debuild" |
| 22:46.53 | nekrataal | tarzeau: i know that /dev/js0 for the joystick |
| 22:47.04 | tarzeau | nekrataal: do you have that file? |
| 22:47.12 | nekrataal | yes, of course |
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| 22:47.39 | tarzeau | nekrataal: are you allowed to access it? |
| 22:47.46 | deadline | tarzeau: i dont have that command |
| 22:47.54 | nekrataal | yes, im doing this as root |
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| 22:48.04 | nekrataal | when i modprobe the module, it says no such device... |
| 22:48.06 | Opiated | could anyone possibly help me |
| 22:48.12 | nekrataal | look the link i pasted.. |
| 22:48.18 | nekrataal | i have the same problem |
| 22:48.22 | aeromax | hey |
| 22:48.30 | aeromax | so anyone know anything about reiserfs |
| 22:48.30 | tarzeau | deadline: you want to install it: devscripts |
| 22:48.37 | aeromax | and resizing it |
| 22:48.40 | aeromax | can it be done? |
| 22:48.45 | tarzeau | aeromax: you must be kidding |
| 22:48.54 | aeromax | tarzeau:no |
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| 22:49.09 | aeromax | tarzeau: help me? |
| 22:49.11 | Opiated | I was able to use the page up and page down keys, as well as the up/down arrow keys to scroll through the buffer in xterm, but I can't seem to do it on this machine, I just installed sarge/X/xfce4 and xterm. What do I need to do in order to get those keys to start performing the said funtions in xterm? |
| 22:49.17 | tarzeau | aeromax: i don't have reiserfs :) |
| 22:49.24 | tarzeau | (read: i don't have problems) |
| 22:49.34 | deadline | tarzeau: |
| 22:49.46 | Nafed | urk so confused.. apache say my issue is a debian issue.. debian say its an apache issue |
| 22:49.47 | Nafed | lol |
| 22:49.57 | deadline | tarzeau: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 4.0.0) ....do i have to install the dependencies packages? |
| 22:50.06 | tarzeau | deadline: yes |
| 22:50.09 | simonrvn | duh |
| 22:50.09 | Opiated | for example if I am reading a manpge, I can scroll down a page by using space key, but I can't scroll back up with up arrowkey or page up, its quite annoying, could anyone help me out |
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| 22:50.21 | tarzeau | Opiated: "b" key? |
| 22:50.24 | brosio | i've a problem with fonts |
| 22:50.26 | tarzeau | Opiated: you want to install less |
| 22:50.31 | tarzeau | brosio: x or console? |
| 22:50.33 | simonrvn | Opiated: stop whining. install less |
| 22:50.33 | deadline | tarzeau: wow 50 MB... |
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| 22:50.46 | brosio | x many programs like mplayer dvdrip |
| 22:50.50 | brosio | are very small |
| 22:50.55 | brosio | too small |
| 22:50.55 | Opiated | simonrvn, I wasn't whining, and thanks |
| 22:50.58 | tarzeau | deadline: only a particle of what gnome or kde take |
| 22:51.00 | brosio | in xchat are normal |
| 22:51.50 | tarzeau | deadline: xosview is nice too |
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| 22:53.36 | brosio | anyone could help me ? |
| 22:53.39 | Opiated | how does one extract a .tgz file, I tried tar xvf but that didn't work |
| 22:53.46 | tarzeau | Opiated: add z |
| 22:53.49 | Opiated | ah |
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| 22:55.20 | nekrataal | hey, read this about my snes problem http://groups.google.com/groups?q=gamecon+2.6&hl=es&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bte0vn%24h79%241%40taliesin2.netcom.net.uk&rnum=1 |
| 22:55.22 | travisat | Opiated: or use unp |
| 22:55.29 | Opiated | i got it, thanks |
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| 22:56.50 | Mr_You | anyone using xen? |
| 22:57.19 | nekrataal | it doesnt seem to work with 2.6 precompiled kernels.. |
| 22:57.29 | Pancamo | lilo gives me one error like "fatal:default image doesnt exit" but both images are there(new&old vmlinuz..) |
| 22:57.42 | darkcmd | do a lot of people use testing rather than woody? |
| 22:57.50 | travisat | darkcmd: probably |
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| 22:58.01 | travisat | darkcmd: at least for desktops |
| 22:58.01 | Mr_You | nekrataal: was that for someone else or me? |
| 22:58.11 | resiak | nekrataal: Well, then, ... build your own kernel! |
| 22:58.16 | resiak | !tell nekrataal -about k-p |
| 22:58.30 | nvz | well I got some 18 or so multimedia function keys on this keyboard I am using.. I guess should configure em.. I dont recall off the top of my head what the name of that package was though.. |
| 22:58.31 | nekrataal | Mr_You: for somebody else |
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| 22:58.49 | resiak | !tell nekrataal -about kernel-package |
| 22:58.52 | travisat | nvs: You can use xmodmap |
| 22:58.52 | nvz | ah xbindkeys I think it was |
| 22:58.54 | resiak | nekrataal: hotkeys |
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| 22:59.00 | Opiated | nvz, whats up |
| 22:59.11 | rzei | does anyone around here know what dba handlers are compiled in with the stable debian php4 package? |
| 22:59.17 | Mr_You | nvz: hehe I've got a keyboard like that recently with an older machine... most of them seem programmable in Linux, but bleah. |
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| 22:59.36 | nvz | hotkeys is useless :P I used to use it, but now that I realized that xbindkeys picks up far more than hotkeys, and you dont have to edit xml files, I think its shitty |
| 22:59.37 | Nafed | http://www.pastebin.com/250250 <--- anyone know how to fix that? |
| 22:59.48 | Mr_You | rzei: can you find out from the http php info script? or whatever that is. |
| 23:00.09 | cafuego | rzei: None. They all comes as additional modules. (php4-mysql, php4-pgsql etc) |
| 23:00.33 | cafuego | rzei: apt-cache search php4- |
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| 23:01.11 | rzei | cafuego: you know if sleepycats db* or something like it (doesn't need a server) is available, and supported by php? |
| 23:01.25 | deadline | tarzeau: what do i have to do after 'debuild' ? |
| 23:01.29 | Nafed | cafuego? resiak? rzei? |
| 23:01.33 | cafuego | rzei: Certainly not by the stable php4. |
| 23:01.47 | jsn | I am using sarge, and mozilla. I am seeing small boxes with four hex characters in them (obviously, unicode). Is there any apt-get'ish way to add language support? |
| 23:01.59 | cafuego | rzei: I think there's someting of the sort in php5, but that isn't even in testing, let alone stable. |
| 23:02.21 | tarzeau | deadline: cd .. && sudo dpkg -i timemon*.deb |
| 23:02.55 | deadline | tarzeau: what does that mean: Now signing changes and any dsc files...Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)! what do i have to install? |
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| 23:03.01 | cafuego | rzei: Well, try 'php4-sqlite' |
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| 23:03.04 | nvz | Opiated: the DOW? I don't know |
| 23:03.07 | cafuego | deadline: gnupg |
| 23:03.14 | Pancamo | what's wrong in this http://www.pastebin.com/250262 ? |
| 23:03.15 | rzei | cafuego: yeah, so it seems, no -dba module at least.. |
| 23:03.26 | deadline | cafuego: thx |
| 23:03.29 | tarzeau | deadline: don't worry, you don't need that |
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| 23:03.41 | resiak | Nafed: Dare I ask why you're talking to me? |
| 23:03.54 | jsn | Language support? I want to see a newspaper from Iraq. I know my arabic alphabet, and want to practice. |
| 23:04.00 | deadline | tarzeau: but it ended with an error at that point |
| 23:04.02 | valdyn | jsn: youre already using unicode there, just your font used there does not have those letters |
| 23:04.06 | tarzeau | deadline: which? |
| 23:04.08 | Bangers | hi, can someone help me with NIC failover support? So I can have both my NICs on the same address/network/vlan, in active/passive mode so if I lose the physical link on interface1, interface2 kicks in and takes over that address? |
| 23:04.10 | Nafed | http://www.pastebin.com/250250 <--- anyone know how to fix that? <--- ive been tossed from debian to apache to reportbug and back for the last 14 hours |
| 23:04.18 | rzei | cafuego: i don't have -sqlite on my sourcelists, do you? |
| 23:04.21 | deadline | tarzeau: debuild: fatal error at line 787:running debsign failed |
| 23:04.21 | jsn | valdyn, ok, it's a font deal. Is there a good package for adding foreign language fonts? |
| 23:04.30 | tarzeau | deadline: that's fine. it built |
| 23:04.32 | rzei | Nafed: try mailinglist? |
| 23:04.34 | cafuego | rzei: not in stable, no. That was a testing box. |
| 23:04.35 | asuffield | jsn: no. there's squillions of the fuckers and you get to guess which you need |
| 23:04.36 | tarzeau | deadline: 00:02 < tarzeau> deadline: cd .. && sudo dpkg -i timemon*.deb |
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| 23:04.50 | deadline | tarzeau: its fine with error output? lol |
| 23:04.52 | jsn | asuffield, thx. |
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| 23:04.57 | tarzeau | deadline: yes |
| 23:05.02 | valdyn | jsn: try apt-cache search -ttf, should list plenty fonts |
| 23:05.02 | cafuego | rzei: welll, mysql isn't THAT bad. |
| 23:05.07 | Nafed | rzei did you even look at the pastebin url? heh |
| 23:05.15 | jsn | nice, valdyn, I will. |
| 23:05.16 | tarzeau | deadline: www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 23:05.20 | asuffield | jsn: start by perusing the output of 'apt-cache search xfonts-' and picking likely names |
| 23:05.25 | valdyn | jsn: i have no idea if theres a complete unicode font |
| 23:05.46 | jsn | This box doesn't have enough spare room for a complete system, just a 100 spare meg right now. |
| 23:05.54 | deadline | tarzeau: lmfao |
| 23:05.55 | danuvius | whenever I do an apt-get update and phpmyadmin is updated it reinstalls the symbolic link in the /var/www directory, I don't want it there. How do I make sure it doesn't create the link after every update? |
| 23:05.56 | rzei | cafuego: no :) i'm not wondering about that.. just that i haven't got it configured, and the host that i'm writing this to doesn't have support for mysql or such |
| 23:05.57 | asuffield | valdyn: not quite. there's an almost complete one which is universally shit |
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| 23:06.14 | rzei | Nafed: i am looking at it and not understanding one bit of it :) out of my league |
| 23:07.09 | jsn | Thanks all. |
| 23:07.13 | jsn | Ciao for now. |
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| 23:07.36 | valdyn | asuffield: ah thanks |
| 23:07.45 | Opiated | where can I find a turotiral on how to make deb packages. There is this online game called Daimonin, and I have not been able to find any debian packages for it. I have compiled the game and play it, but I was thinking if I make some unofficial debs, it might help out someone out there |
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| 23:08.43 | tarzeau | dpkg topicsmite Opiated |
| 23:08.44 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Opiated. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 23:09.08 | deadline | tarzeau: finished successfully. can i start the app now? |
| 23:09.10 | Opiated | ahh |
| 23:09.12 | Opiated | FAQ |
| 23:09.26 | Opiated | thanks for the smite, mighty smiter! |
| 23:09.28 | nvz | my brother just got a new PC, a gateway... its an AMD64 machine.. came with Windows XP Media Center :P he's had it like 2 days now and already had it crash and had to restore it once. He says it crashes everytime he exits Unreal Tournament. |
| 23:09.52 | deadline | tarzeau: and *how* can i start it? |
| 23:09.55 | Opiated | I hope bill gates dick withers and falls away |
| 23:09.55 | nvz | I got the keyboard and mouse from it, and his old pc.. well whats left of it.. heh |
| 23:09.56 | Opiated | :/ |
| 23:10.01 | rzei | cafuego: actually dba_open("test.db", "n", "db2"); works |
| 23:10.07 | rzei | cafuego: so that must be compiled-in |
| 23:10.10 | nanok | hm..still can't get to the bottom of that bloody netcard on the laptop :/ |
| 23:10.10 | tarzeau | deadline: TimeMon ;) |
| 23:10.15 | Opiated | he was crowned Honorary Knight by Queen Eliz. II |
| 23:10.22 | deadline | i hope bill gates dies with dick-cancer |
| 23:10.22 | Opiated | Sir Bill Gates? |
| 23:10.35 | tarzeau | deadline: if you don't know how to start a program from a package, try dpkg -L package |grep bin |
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| 23:10.47 | deadline | tarzeau: ok thx |
| 23:10.49 | abrotman | !tell Mr_You about away |
| 23:10.59 | calin | !away |
| 23:10.59 | dpkg | We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. in BX, /set auto_away off, /saveirc, or nick changes ... |
| 23:11.02 | nvz | Mr_You: please disable that or otherwise prevent it from displaying here. this is too large of a channel for that. |
| 23:11.04 | tarzeau | Opiated: hehe |
| 23:11.09 | sussudio | Mr_You: we hate you |
| 23:11.10 | Mr_You | my bad :-P |
| 23:11.17 | Mr_You | simmah dahn nah |
| 23:11.24 | nvz | hehe |
| 23:11.30 | nvz | !yinzersmite Mr_You |
| 23:11.34 | tarzeau | dang, and i wanted to go sleep |
| 23:12.26 | deadline | tarzeau: that small cube is all? lol |
| 23:12.35 | tarzeau | deadline: hahah :) |
| 23:12.42 | tarzeau | deadline: you can right click it! |
| 23:13.00 | deadline | tarzeau: ok i have a menu, but....:S |
| 23:13.01 | tarzeau | deadline: that small cube is from 1991-1997! |
| 23:13.08 | tarzeau | deadline: it's like older than DEBIAN! |
| 23:13.14 | deadline | tarzeau: lol |
| 23:13.24 | Mr_You | so is Debian Sarge not going Componentized Linux (yet)? |
| 23:13.28 | Mr_You | only Progeny? |
| 23:13.39 | Mr_You | and well I guess Mandrake and the others eventually. |
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| 23:13.49 | azeem | Mr_You: it isn't |
| 23:13.50 | tarzeau | Mr_You: why do you need componentized? |
| 23:13.59 | Mr_You | its better for developers. |
| 23:13.59 | PerfDave | "Componentized" is such a crap word. |
| 23:14.19 | deadline | tarzeau: can i expand it to a second eth0 cube? lol |
| 23:14.25 | Mr_You | its basicly a better way of "meta"izing packages. |
| 23:14.50 | tarzeau | deadline: no it's only for CPU time usage. but you have the source and can write what you want... |
| 23:14.56 | Mr_You | cause there are so many dependencies. |
| 23:15.07 | tarzeau | deadline: it's beautiful, isn't it? i mean it has alpha and anti-aliased drawing |
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| 23:15.24 | darkcmd | I hear Sarge might be going stable sometime soon |
| 23:15.28 | deadline | tarzeau: heh k, i guess ill prefer gkrellm...:P thanks anyway |
| 23:15.31 | tarzeau | darkcmd: yeah right |
| 23:15.32 | Mr_You | yah |
| 23:15.36 | tarzeau | darkcmd: tomorrow i heard |
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| 23:15.51 | darkcmd | seriously? |
| 23:15.57 | tarzeau | darkcmd: i swear |
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| 23:16.04 | danuvius | whenever I do an apt-get update and phpmyadmin is updated it reinstalls the symbolic link in the /var/www directory, I don't want it there. How do I make sure it doesn't create the link after every update? |
| 23:16.10 | darkcmd | you're pulling my leg aren't you |
| 23:16.13 | Kraeloc | I have warty set up to act as a router for a mac, connected via second PCI NIC, eth2. But the eth2 connection won't stay active in the network settings. |
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| 23:16.29 | tarzeau | darkcmd: possibly. why don't you go read yourself lists.debian.org ? |
| 23:16.45 | tyln | nnhg.... how long do cdrom drives typically last for you people? |
| 23:16.50 | tarzeau | Kraeloc: have you read the topic? |
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| 23:17.01 | deadline | tarzeau: do you know where i can get bbuname? |
| 23:17.03 | tarzeau | Kraeloc: warty is not an actor from Toy Story, you INFIDEL! |
| 23:17.04 | Kraeloc | Oh, sorry.. |
| 23:17.08 | doublehp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.11 | valdyn | tyln: longer than I need them |
| 23:17.25 | tarzeau | deadline: sorry, i've got no idea |
| 23:17.27 | aeromax | so anyone know stuff about reiserfs |
| 23:17.30 | aeromax | and resizing? |
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| 23:17.35 | tarzeau | aeromax: heh :) |
| 23:17.47 | valdyn | aeromax: just dont do it ( resizing ) |
| 23:17.50 | aeromax | my pc crashes every time i try to write to that partition |
| 23:17.52 | tarzeau | aeromax: greycat always say, tar it up, recreate the filesystem, untar it back |
| 23:17.53 | darkcmd | tarzeau, to read why its possibly.. which list do I read? |
| 23:17.54 | aeromax | i did it arleady |
| 23:18.02 | tarzeau | aeromax: says dmesg something about it? |
| 23:18.17 | tarzeau | darkcmd: debian-devel-project i think, let me check |
| 23:18.31 | aeromax | the pc crashes |
| 23:18.32 | aeromax | no dmesg |
| 23:18.47 | aeromax | everything freezes |
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| 23:20.00 | aeromax | should i just reformat that partition? |
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| 23:20.29 | abrotman | i didn't think you could resize reiser .. but i don't use it .. i like to have my data be there when i need it |
| 23:20.50 | tarzeau | darkcmd: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html |
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| 23:22.36 | conffrey | hi everybody |
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| 23:24.26 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 23:24.26 | dpkg | cheesesteak is probably http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
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| 23:25.04 | paulswm | holeee crap, that was a good one |
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| 23:25.56 | mrhemlock | yumm |
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| 23:26.26 | conffrey | can anybody help me? I can't start thunderbird, because it tells me default profile is busy; how can I repair my mail and addressbook? |
| 23:26.41 | citral | ..quit |
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| 23:27.09 | tarzeau | conffrey: you've got another one running already? |
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| 23:27.20 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
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| 23:28.33 | conffrey | tarzeau, no, I copied the .thunderbird dir from an existing linux distribution, to import it in another one; but it doesn't work |
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| 23:28.43 | tarzeau | conffrey: hah |
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| 23:29.38 | nekrataal | i, im trying to install two snes pad on the pararell port, but when i load the kernel module gamecon it says no such device...i searched on the internet and all that came out was this http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/08/msg00422.html |
| 23:29.43 | nekrataal | anyone knows something that may help me? |
| 23:29.47 | tarzeau | nekrataal: again? |
| 23:29.49 | conffrey | tarzeau, whatcan I do now? in mozilla was needed to delete the lock file, but in this case I can't find it |
| 23:29.58 | tarzeau | conffrey: heh |
| 23:30.08 | nekrataal | yes, new people has joined the channel, so i ask again...im sorry if it upsets you |
| 23:30.15 | nekrataal | i dont mean to |
| 23:30.16 | tarzeau | nekrataal: nah, no problem |
| 23:30.26 | tarzeau | nekrataal: try about all 4 hours |
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| 23:30.59 | nekrataal | ;) |
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| 23:31.27 | conffrey | tarzeau, are you interested for help me or not? |
| 23:31.40 | tarzeau | conffrey: not really |
| 23:31.48 | tarzeau | conffrey: depends. a/s/l? |
| 23:32.10 | conffrey | tarzeau, ok, no matter, thanks |
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| 23:32.44 | tarzeau | conffrey: don't be so dead serious try running it in strace |
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| 23:33.08 | tarzeau | that should help you find out what file is causing the trouble. but really this software sucks... if you ask me |
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| 23:33.42 | nvz | damn dictionary.com doesnt work in links2, says enter a word, and I have entered a word :P I am going to m-w.com screw these loosers that cant program a website |
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| 23:33.57 | Phated | Could just install dictd. :) |
| 23:34.04 | tarzeau | nvz: works fine with dict.leo.org |
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| 23:34.28 | nanok | dict rocks :) |
| 23:34.49 | nanok | such a shame there are so few dictionaries for anything else than english |
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| 23:35.32 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah only that site seems to be in 90% german, and I dont understand it :P |
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| 23:36.52 | nvz | I am trying to _understand_ something from the bible, and it seems the definition of terms isnt where I lack understanding :P cause even after looking them up it makes little sense |
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| 23:37.09 | idnar | nvz: what about dict.org? |
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| 23:37.38 | tarzeau | nvz: what about you ask here? |
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| 23:38.10 | nanok | nvz: you are trying to actually _make sense_ of the bible? |
| 23:38.11 | nanok | :P |
| 23:38.15 | nvz | well its for school |
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| 23:38.20 | shadowarts | im building the kernel right now, i have need the scsi aic7xxx driver, do i make it a module or built in? |
| 23:38.36 | nvz | I am trying to understand what the silver pieces symbolize in the Prodigal Son |
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| 23:38.47 | nvz | and I guess the sheep and everything symbolize the same thing |
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| 23:39.08 | nanok | shadowarts: whichever suits you, if you have the / filesystem on that scsi device, you might as well build it in, though |
| 23:39.21 | Phated | nvz: How many silver pieces? |
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| 23:39.26 | nvz | personally I dont see them symbolizing anything other than silver pieces |
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| 23:39.47 | shadowarts | nanok: thank you, i did this before and i remember one way gave me problems, unfortuanately i dont remember which way ^^ |
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| 23:39.54 | soft | How I make to find some program to lower torrents? |
| 23:40.19 | nvz | Phated: "Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth not light a candle and sweep the house and seek diligently till she find it?" |
| 23:40.46 | nanok | shadowarts: in my experience, both could cause trouble :) |
| 23:40.55 | shadowarts | lol |
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| 23:40.58 | Phated | nvz: The silver represent the sons, and that they have value to their father, which is why he wanted the prodigal son back? |
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| 23:41.10 | Phated | Y'know, "seeking diligently" for the lost son. |
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| 23:41.54 | Phated | 'Course that only works if there were ten sons, and to tell the truth I can't remember. |
| 23:42.02 | shadowarts | nanok: its building so i hope i did it right, either way its not a big deal to reconfigure and rebuild it, its just nice if it works right the first time |
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| 23:43.00 | djperegrine | I am about to install debian via the debian installer |
| 23:43.04 | nanok | shadowarts: i know. it will work, if you built it in, along with the fs you are using on the / partition |
| 23:43.14 | nvz | Phated: well, I am not sure if they symbolize sinners who are lost, repentant sinners, faithful followers, gods children, or what.. I dont follow the story so its hard for me understand. |
| 23:43.35 | djperegrine | I have a blank NFTS partition, can I format it and then split it? |
| 23:43.40 | nanok | you could have problems later though, but if you have the / fs on that partition, theres nothing you could have done about it anyway ;) |
| 23:43.48 | Phated | nvz: I dunno, I thought it was just pretty much a kid straying from the flock and then being found. |
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| 23:44.09 | nvz | Phated: I've worked around it and been comming back and reading it again and again, and cant seem to understand it. |
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| 23:44.15 | Phated | nvz: Ah. |
| 23:44.58 | nvz | there is a church across the street, though I never been there.. maybe I should go sometime |
| 23:45.01 | nvz | :P |
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| 23:45.26 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: In Sunday School when I was a kid they told us that the 9 were the good people and the 10th was the sinner. |
| 23:46.14 | Phated | The wanderer, the lost one, the recalcitrant one, etc. |
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| 23:46.22 | scarynetworkguy | Right. |
| 23:46.29 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: so the silver pieces themself represent gods children, and the 9 represent those that are faithful, and the 10th represents one that is a lost sinner? |
| 23:46.31 | Phated | And we shouldn't be doing your homework for you, what would God say?! |
| 23:46.45 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: That's the way I learned it, yes. |
| 23:46.57 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 23:47.02 | nvz | its starting to make sense to me |
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| 23:47.55 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Find the verses about "hunters and fishers of men". They help to make sense out of that bit. |
| 23:47.57 | Phated | Finally! :) |
| 23:48.01 | nvz | I am just confused cause the story starts out in what to me seems to be the middle of a story.. the very first word is "Then" and for there to be a "Then" there would have to be something prior .. heh a lot of words chosen here lead me to misunderstanding |
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| 23:48.21 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: this particular one is from the King James Bible |
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| 23:48.33 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Which is the only version worth reading. |
| 23:48.35 | nikolas | if i make a bash script, it is posible to make it so someone can run the script but can't read the code ? |
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| 23:49.17 | idnar | nvz: King James is helluva hard to read in sections if you're not familiar with the english used |
| 23:49.42 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, I'm trying to upgrade/remove a package, and I keep getting this: post-installation script returned error exit status 10. Is there any way to make dpkg show what's causing that error? |
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| 23:51.16 | tarzeau | nikolas: yes |
| 23:51.24 | tarzeau | nikolas: make it x, but no r |
| 23:51.32 | tarzeau | nikolas: man chmod |
| 23:51.47 | nikolas | tarzeau: i was not thinking at modes... |
| 23:52.08 | tarzeau | nikolas: but why and what are you really wanting to do? |
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| 23:52.13 | [Outlaw] | Is there some sort of verbose mode for dpkg? This is really irritating |
| 23:52.26 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: which package? |
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| 23:52.43 | [Outlaw] | Bootsplash - it's unofficial |
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| 23:52.50 | nikolas | tarzeau: i was looking for something like shc, i just wanted to protect the code in the bash script |
| 23:52.59 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: heh. welllll |
| 23:53.43 | [Outlaw] | Clearly it won't be in the BTS. Last time I just got "fix the script and it'll work!" but I have no idea what's wrong with the script |
| 23:53.43 | tarzeau | nikolas: you want to.. how much bytes is it? |
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| 23:54.09 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: i'm really not interested in bootsplash, but try put the script online and paste a link to it |
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| 23:54.26 | [Outlaw] | Ok - .postinst and .postrm? |
| 23:54.43 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: whatever fails. yes |
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| 23:54.49 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: what says whoever made that package? |
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| 23:55.24 | pearl | wb chuler |
| 23:55.25 | pearl | +s |
| 23:55.50 | schuler | hi pearl |
| 23:55.53 | [Outlaw] | I don't know what fails... just "post installation fails." Apparently the newest version, 3.8-1 has "fixed postinst with workarounds by Christian K." but as I can't upgrade the current one I can't do much about it |
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| 23:56.25 | xarg | I am trying to get up-imapproxy to run on the same server as the imapd itself ... Ichanged the bind port in the cfg file but it won't start. it starts if I stop imapd but lsof doesn't show it listening on any port. |
| 23:56.30 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: you can forcefully remove the current and install the fixed one |
| 23:56.36 | [Outlaw] | How do you do that? |
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| 23:56.45 | tarzeau | [Outlaw]: dpkg --help or man dpkg |
| 23:56.54 | [Outlaw] | Oh, thanks :P |
| 23:57.01 | [Outlaw] | I've tried purging, that doesn't work |
| 23:57.07 | xarg | what am i doing wrong? |
| 23:57.08 | tarzeau | something with --force-stuff |
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| 23:58.28 | [Outlaw] | I'll give it a go.. otherwise might just do a reinstall |
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