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| 00:01.32 | nekrataal | i, im trying to install two snes pad on the pararell port, but when i load the kernel module gamecon it says no such device...i searched on the internet and all that came out was this http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/08/msg00422.html |
| 00:01.35 | nekrataal | anyone knows something that may help me? |
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| 00:02.17 | ElectricElf | debhelper: Thanks :) |
| 00:02.18 | ElectricElf | (Bad paste) |
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| 00:03.02 | nekrataal | why did you baned him? |
| 00:03.45 | [Outlaw] | tarzeau: Still a problem. Managed to purge bootsplash, but not one of the themes... now I'm still getting dpkg: error processing bootsplash-theme-newlinux (--install) |
| 00:03.48 | [Outlaw] | Error exit status 10 |
| 00:04.33 | ElectricElf | nekrataal: On-join spammer |
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| 00:05.08 | nekrataal | ohh, i see |
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| 00:08.48 | libpcp | hello guys |
| 00:09.31 | Reech | got kernel 2.6.10 via an auto update thingy and now ndiswrapper 1.0 wont load.. any ideas? Tried recompiling and moans about time skew error dmesg reports somthing about disagreeing with struct_module version if I try to load it with modprobe |
| 00:10.05 | libpcp | i have a question regarding www virtual hosting. right now i have a running www virtual hosting and one of my customers ask me if its possible to have a port on his site, is that possible? |
| 00:10.22 | pipeline | Reech: Unless you have a specific reason to use the new kernel, just use the old one. |
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| 00:10.32 | jMCg | morning |
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| 05:11.56 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; and ask for an operator || if you are using Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
| 05:12.13 | mwilson | obtix: Contrary to what people believe, computers are not magic boxes that do whatever they want, whenever they want. If it worked before, and does not now, then undo whatever change was made between then and now. |
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| 05:12.22 | boukensya | hey guys.. I am wanting to turn some avi files into a dvd.. how would I do this? cheers |
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| 05:12.48 | cat | hey how come i can't get this gmixer working any ideas? plz |
| 05:12.50 | cat | i really need it |
| 05:13.09 | cat | is telling me Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found |
| 05:13.19 | obtix | mwilson: wow, your a great help! if anything it was an a new package when i did an apt-get on the 1st but im almost postive it was working then |
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| 05:15.21 | mwilson | obtix: A moment ago, you hadn't changed anything. So, what did you install? |
| 05:15.43 | cg0def | hi have java installed and working fine but I can't seem to get the plugin for firefox to work |
| 05:16.01 | cg0def | does jre 1.5.01 work with firefox? |
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| 05:17.23 | pasha | i am a new debina user |
| 05:17.33 | pasha | i can hear sound in gnome oss |
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| 05:17.43 | pasha | but i can't hearsound in kde |
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| 05:17.51 | cafuego | cg0def: if that jre comes with a plugin, yes. |
| 05:17.57 | pasha | it says that /dev/dsp permisson ... |
| 05:18.03 | cafuego | !lart spammers |
| 05:18.08 | pasha | so i give chmod 777 /dev/dsp |
| 05:18.13 | pasha | still did not working |
| 05:18.14 | [2]far | What is the package that places the contents of /usr/lib/locale ? ... I'm missing lots of content. |
| 05:18.28 | cafuego | locales ? |
| 05:18.28 | cg0def | cafuego: well I installed the jdk but there is a jre dir and a plugins in it |
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| 05:18.40 | cafuego | cg0def: You installed it wrong then. |
| 05:18.50 | cg0def | cafuego: I coppied the plugins to the corresponding dir in firefox and it doesn't work |
| 05:19.09 | [2]far | cafuego i have that installed but don't have nothing in the dir |
| 05:19.13 | cafuego | cg0def: Remove it, but keep the .bin you fetched. Install 'java-package' and use 'make-jpkg' to generate a jre_1.5.0 deb file. |
| 05:19.14 | cg0def | cafuego: what is the correct install location |
| 05:20.54 | cg0def | cafuego: I used the instructions found at http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian and they used to work before but I'll give make-jpkg a shot |
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| 05:21.14 | cafuego | cg0def: make-jpkg is the preferred way. |
| 05:21.24 | cafuego | (in non-woody anyway) |
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| 05:22.32 | Kern | Anybody know how to get a serial mouse to work that wasn't detected at install? |
| 05:23.01 | chealer | isn't a w32codecs factoid supposed to exist? |
| 05:23.40 | cat | stupid gmix |
| 05:24.38 | schuler | Kern: which kernel do you use? |
| 05:24.43 | cafuego | chealer: On #debian-ia32-weenies ;-) |
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| 05:25.31 | obtix | ok, what all do i need to have vhosts running on apache (im still not sure why they stopped)... I can do a apache -S and see everything is there... i never noticed this before but it seems that mod_vhost_alias.c is not loaded when i try to load it i get this error: Cannot add module via name 'mod_vhost_alias.c': not in list of loaded modules |
| 05:26.23 | cafuego | obtix: Make sure it loads in /etc/apache/httpd.conf (Note you don't NEED vhost_alias to use vhosting) |
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| 05:26.57 | obtix | cafuego: what do i check in my httpd.conf? |
| 05:27.35 | mwilson | Why would your Apache configuration have changed? |
| 05:27.56 | obtix | mwilson: for the third time.. i don't know :-\ |
| 05:28.10 | cg0def | cafuego: is there a way to create a deb file for the java documentation or I have to install it manually? |
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| 05:28.26 | obtix | mwilson: i swear to god i didnt change anything, i don't even believe it was upgraded in my last apt-get dist-upgrade so im not sure it was working great |
| 05:28.34 | obtix | what do i need to check in my httpd.conf? |
| 05:28.52 | chealer | cafuego: I'm not sure what you mean with ia32 |
| 05:29.12 | schuler | cg0def: if the java docu is a rpm use alien |
| 05:29.20 | Vme | I just bought a new Nexus-S card Model #717, Rev 2.3 and after a little more looking around I found Rev 2.2 is that latest version supported....is there anyway to patch, update, or something to get this card working??? |
| 05:29.27 | cg0def | no it's a tar file |
| 05:29.47 | cg0def | it's just a bunch of html files archived |
| 05:29.50 | cafuego | chealer: the inferior 32bit x86 archiecture. |
| 05:30.00 | schuler | why do you want to create a deb file |
| 05:30.02 | schuler | ? |
| 05:30.17 | cafuego | schuler: Coz that way debian manages the plugins and libdir. |
| 05:30.41 | cafuego | cg0def: Grab the .bin from sun. |
| 05:30.58 | cg0def | yeah but the docs are in a separate file |
| 05:31.10 | cafuego | You don't need docs for the JRE. |
| 05:31.44 | schuler | and the docs you can de'tar and use in a normal browser |
| 05:31.53 | cg0def | well just cause I don't need them doesn't mean I don't want them :) |
| 05:32.06 | obtix | again... anybody? |
| 05:32.14 | cafuego | cg0def: The java docs are normally for the JDK, which is a different piece of software altogether., |
| 05:32.50 | cg0def | no it's not the jdk includes a jre |
| 05:33.02 | cg0def | jre is a part of the jdk |
| 05:34.53 | schuler | cg0def: you should the java docs de-tar and copy in the docs directory of your jdk |
| 05:35.02 | cafuego | cg0def: Well, it is actually. The binary is just called 'java'. |
| 05:36.26 | cg0def | schuler: I know what to do with the docs I was just trying to create a deb but it's no big deal |
| 05:36.41 | cg0def | schuler: my problem is that the mozilla plug is not working |
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| 05:37.17 | schuler | cg0def: the jdk should be in /opt or /usr/local; |
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| 05:37.31 | schuler | there you don't need a deb file |
| 05:38.27 | schuler | google and put the plugin in the correct mozilla subdirectory |
| 05:38.31 | cg0def | schuler: mine is in /usr/local |
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| 05:39.03 | schuler | it's easy when you google |
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| 05:45.14 | Opiated | I am trying to compile kmuddy mud client, and I have installed qt3-dev package and the header package and whatever else it depends on, but during ./configure it tells me that it cannot find qt libs. Am I missing a package?, what do I need to do |
| 05:45.46 | cg0def | man forget java 1.5.0 everything was working perfect with 1.4.2 ... |
| 05:46.06 | cafuego | !dfiiiab |
| 05:46.06 | dpkg | Don't fix it if it ain't broke! |
| 05:47.02 | schuler | cg0def: i haven't still used 1.5.0 |
| 05:47.17 | Opiated | anyone? |
| 05:47.19 | cg0def | yeah ... just jdk 1.5.0 works better but the jre won't work with mozilla for some reason |
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| 05:48.31 | Opiated | why does it say that ./configure cannot find qt3 libs or headers? I have those packages installed |
| 05:49.31 | chealer | Opiated: did you try to google it? |
| 05:49.45 | Opiated | define 'it' |
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| 05:50.02 | Nebetsu | hey I'm back |
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| 05:50.12 | chealer | the error message you didn't show us |
| 05:50.17 | Nebetsu | I installed debian on a spare harddrive and it didnt like it |
| 05:50.20 | chealer | !tell Opiated about qt |
| 05:50.33 | Nebetsu | it said my keyboard was "blacklisted" or something after trying about 50 times |
| 05:50.37 | Opiated | error message is quite simple, during ./configure it tells me it cannot find qt3 libs or headers |
| 05:51.37 | xfrye | Opiated: probably the application you're configuring is looking for this libs on other location |
| 05:51.49 | Opiated | i know about the -with-qt-dir, similar to for example eggdrop --with-tcllib i know the concept, but ahh, xfrye i see |
| 05:52.22 | schuler | Opiated: look in the configure script where to search the qt3 stuff then define environment variables or create symlinks |
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| 05:53.00 | Opiated | schuler, ok, thanks, I didn't think about that, I quite new to compiling |
| 05:53.04 | Opiated | +am |
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| 05:58.22 | Haruko | Yes! |
| 05:58.28 | xfrye | No! |
| 05:58.29 | xfrye | ;) |
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| 05:58.56 | Haruko | Hmm |
| 05:59.00 | Haruko | How do I report bots? |
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| 05:59.14 | Haruko | digiTaL seems to be one |
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| 05:59.57 | mw__ | On X logon LD_LIBRARY_PATH gets reset and I don't know why. A variable named LD_LIBRARY_PAT (without the H) and LD_LIBRARY_PATHH (with 2 H) does get set. LD-LIBRARY_PATH also gets set during console login. Does something unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
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| 06:00.10 | chealer | if a factoid is too long (ends in ...) what do you do to read the rest? |
| 06:00.44 | Opiated | it is now telling me that kde headers are not installed (i am using xfce4). what package do i need to install? I looked for it on apt-cache search kde|grep headers but only one package concerning kde games lib headers showed up |
| 06:01.25 | mw__ | Opiated: try |grep dev |
| 06:01.34 | Opiated | i did that too and got a list of packages |
| 06:01.35 | mw__ | Opiated: apt-file meight be usuful too |
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| 06:01.45 | Opiated | just the basic kde-devel or kdebase-devel? |
| 06:01.53 | Opiated | i can't seem to figure out which package to install |
| 06:02.26 | mw__ | Opiated: what is telling you to install the headers? (Do you know which header-file?) |
| 06:02.43 | Opiated | no I don't |
| 06:03.17 | jpeg | does debian have install floppies anymore? I've tried the mini-cd installer and it says it can't find kernel modules on any of the mirrors; it warns me not to install. I can't find a different installer besides that mini-cd. |
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| 06:03.45 | Opiated | it says no kde headers installed, which I know I don't because I never installed anything concerning kde, util now, what I installed now were the qt libs/headers/mt/ and thats it |
| 06:03.46 | nanok | shingouz: well, i upgraded the hole lot to sid, and now it seems to work ok (dont get those nasty artefacts in x) |
| 06:03.49 | mw__ | jpeg: do you know about netinstall? |
| 06:03.51 | chealer | Opiated: where do you see kde-devel? |
| 06:03.52 | jpeg | I'm using the alpha arch, by the way. |
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| 06:04.02 | nanok | seems sometimes common sense has nothing to do with reality :) |
| 06:04.04 | mw__ | Opiated: what is it? |
| 06:04.04 | jpeg | mw__, no, i'm not familiar with it. |
| 06:04.22 | Opiated | chealer, searching with apt |
| 06:04.30 | Opiated | mw__, I don't know |
| 06:04.43 | drac | jpeg: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:04.45 | mw__ | Opiated: what is IT that tells you it |
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| 06:04.54 | tct | what file recovery programs can I use to get data off an ntfs? |
| 06:04.55 | Opiated | which kde package contains the usual header files? |
| 06:04.58 | drac | jpeg: there is also Alpha net install. |
| 06:05.05 | Opiated | mw__, I am trying to compile kmuddy |
| 06:05.10 | jpeg | thanks drac, I'll go look. |
| 06:05.48 | mw__ | Opiated: and configure failed? Then look into config.log for a header.h filename. Once you found that use apt-file search header.h to find the package |
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| 06:05.54 | chealer | Opiated: sorry. kde-devel is a metapackage, it will certainly do |
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| 06:06.24 | xun5 | hi, i need help with the nvidia drivers, when i try to install the official drivers, it says that theres no matching kernel headers, any suggestions? |
| 06:06.24 | Opiated | ok, thanks |
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| 06:06.41 | chealer | !tell xun5 about nvidia-howto |
| 06:06.42 | pwned | xun5, install the kernel headers |
| 06:07.22 | chealer | xun5: are you using nvidia-installer? |
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| 06:07.46 | Opiated | oh holy crap, man forget this, that wants to install like 64mb worth packages. I'll just get me a gtk based mud client |
| 06:07.49 | Opiated | screw kde |
| 06:08.00 | chealer | Opiated: I'd try kdelibs-dev |
| 06:08.07 | chealer | kdelibs4-dev |
| 06:08.08 | Opiated | let me try |
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| 06:10.25 | Haruko | lol |
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| 06:10.29 | Haruko | I love kde :) |
| 06:10.31 | Opiated | bah, nevermind this |
| 06:10.37 | Opiated | i'll just get papaya or something |
| 06:10.52 | Xenthius | Im running Debian SID with a 2.2.20 Kernel. Apparantly my kernel must be updated or rebuilt to have IPMASQ functionality. So im after some help in doing that |
| 06:11.10 | chealer | haha |
| 06:11.21 | cafuego | Sid? With a 4 year old kernel? Sheesh! |
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| 06:11.46 | cafuego | Xenthius: apt-get update; apt-cache search kernel-image (pick a recent 2.4.x kernel) |
| 06:12.05 | Xenthius | well i installed Debian Woody, and then did a apt-get dist-upgrade (to unstable (SID) ) |
| 06:12.10 | Xenthius | ive done the atp-get update |
| 06:12.28 | drac | heh |
| 06:12.29 | Xenthius | and if i find using apt-cache search kernel-image. That will download the image, but still wont install it |
| 06:12.33 | Xenthius | so how do i go about this |
| 06:12.54 | cafuego | Xenthius: No, that doesn't download the image. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.XX-YYY' will. |
| 06:12.55 | drac | Xenthius: if you just installed forget about SID, and forget about Woody. |
| 06:13.04 | drac | Xenthius: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:13.22 | Opiated | the xfce4 screenshots on the official site seem a lot more umm, newer, or better than mine. Are the xfce4 packages on debian an older version? is it advisable to get the DE from the official site instead of using debian packages? |
| 06:13.24 | cafuego | Xenthius: Do note that if you don't even know how to install software, running sid is an EXTREMELY BAD idea. |
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| 06:13.41 | Xenthius | well i need sid for the libc++5 library |
| 06:13.54 | Xenthius | libdc++5 |
| 06:13.57 | cafuego | libstdc++5 is also in woody |
| 06:14.03 | cafuego | !info libsrdc++ woody |
| 06:14.08 | cafuego | !info libstdc++ woody |
| 06:14.15 | Xenthius | !info libstdc++ woody |
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| 06:14.31 | djperegrine | yo |
| 06:14.33 | Xenthius | i think this script im runnign blocks spam, hang on ill turn it off |
| 06:14.45 | chealer | !info libstdc++5 woody |
| 06:14.48 | djperegrine | I can't get my WUSB11 v2.8 working :( |
| 06:14.51 | Tarential | !info libstdc++5 woody |
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| 06:15.06 | Xenthius | ill try doing the apt-get instlal kernel-image |
| 06:15.13 | Xenthius | brb have to hookup the calbe modem |
| 06:15.21 | djperegrine | I can't compoile the AT76C503/505A |
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| 06:15.24 | Xenthius | if i use that method, will it install IPMASQ support? |
| 06:15.25 | djperegrine | I get compile errors :( |
| 06:15.53 | Xenthius | brb trying it out now |
| 06:16.31 | Haruko | Hmm how do I shrink the size of the text in KDE? |
| 06:16.34 | chealer | it seems woody had only libstdc++3. but sarge has 5 |
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| 06:17.06 | cafuego | Sarge even has lib64stdc++6 |
| 06:21.01 | mrhemlock | !test |
| 06:21.01 | dpkg | No, mrhemlock, you're not online any more. |
| 06:22.31 | Tarential | 666 users... a sign? |
| 06:22.38 | COTP | hmmm |
| 06:23.00 | chealer | !666 |
| 06:23.00 | dpkg | 666 or 0x029a or 011011000110110001101100 is the mythological number of the beast in christian mythology. It's also 0666 or -rw-rw-rw-, but no sane person ever has a file with those permisions. Read Revelations or info coreutils 'Numeric Modes' if you really care about these things |
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| 06:25.28 | TheTom | :) |
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| 06:25.36 | Zaww | hey google www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 06:35.28 | Gnea | !ops |
| 06:35.28 | dpkg | Please invoke '! ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 06:35.37 | Gnea | !ops Game |
| 06:35.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Game |
| 06:35.42 | Gnea | !ops D |
| 06:35.43 | helix | gar |
| 06:35.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: D |
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| 06:35.46 | Gnea | !ops DigiTaL |
| 06:35.47 | Desiac | onjoins D , DigiTaL, Game MusTi |
| 06:35.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: DigiTaL |
| 06:35.52 | helix | christ |
| 06:35.54 | Gnea | !ops MusTi |
| 06:35.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: MusTi |
| 06:35.56 | Gnea | yeah |
| 06:35.57 | Gnea | 4 of 'em |
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| 06:36.03 | Gnea | spammed me as i entered. |
| 06:36.05 | YorickChan | ger |
| 06:36.11 | Phated | You could have put them in one line. |
| 06:36.13 | Gnea | they're both cloned |
| 06:36.21 | Gnea | i didn't know that. |
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| 06:36.33 | Gnea | Phated: i don't have much of a need for it often |
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| 06:36.43 | lizsac | i need smaller fonts in the console |
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| 06:36.46 | Gnea | helix: rock. :) |
| 06:36.47 | Phated | Hang around more and watch it being used. :) |
| 06:36.51 | Gnea | lol |
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| 06:36.56 | Gnea | so noted ;) |
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| 06:37.04 | lizsac | what's the easiest way to change my console font? |
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| 06:38.23 | Desiac | my ssh sessions to a particular host keep dieing (like timeout), checked its sshd config, activated TCPKeepAlive and restarted the service, but still happening. checked the router and its not killing the session, anyone have any ideas |
| 06:38.56 | lizsac | bad connection ..? |
| 06:39.20 | lizsac | collisions |
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| 06:39.33 | peterS | Desiac: "Host remote.host.name" "ServerAliveInterval 30" in ~/.ssh/config on the client |
| 06:39.46 | Desiac | peterS: thnx :) |
| 06:40.20 | peterS | Desiac: or, to test, just '-o ServerAliveInterval=30' on the ssh command line. that ~/.ssh/config thing works for me to ssh to machines behind NAT boxes |
| 06:41.03 | Desiac | thnx again :) |
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| 06:42.15 | peterS | ~/.ssh/config is *so* underappreciated |
| 06:42.16 | apt | okay, peterS |
| 06:42.28 | Hydroxide | peterS: true, very true |
| 06:42.31 | peterS | "host foo" "HostName foo.example.com" "User peterS_on_foo" etc. |
| 06:42.39 | Hydroxide | hehe, I am amused at apt's response :) |
| 06:42.42 | peterS | then 'ssh foo' instead of 'ssh peterS_on_foo@foo.example.com' |
| 06:42.46 | Hydroxide | apt: ~/.ssh/config |
| 06:42.47 | lizsac | nobody knows how to change the size of the console font? |
| 06:42.56 | peterS | apt forget /.ssh/config |
| 06:42.56 | apt | i forgot /.ssh/config, peterS |
| 06:42.58 | jm_ | lizsac: yes, many people know |
| 06:43.03 | peterS | good catch, Hydroxide |
| 06:43.06 | lizsac | heh |
| 06:43.10 | lizsac | help me out |
| 06:43.20 | jagerman | peterS: Ah, very useful, I didn't realize you could redefine a short host to a full hostname |
| 06:43.37 | peterS | jagerman: yeah. the other way is in /etc/hosts, but this way is cleaner since it's per-user (: |
| 06:43.51 | peterS | and you can do aliases rather than just additional mappings to an IP address |
| 06:44.11 | jm_ | then there are other people who use shell's completion to do the job ;) |
| 06:44.41 | daxxar | ~/.ssh/config is sweet. :-) |
| 06:44.42 | apt | daxxar: okay |
| 06:44.48 | jagerman | hah |
| 06:44.53 | daxxar | Ehr. :| |
| 06:44.59 | daxxar | apt, forget about /.ssh/config |
| 06:44.59 | apt | daxxar: i didn't have anything called 'about /.ssh/config' to forget |
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| 06:45.05 | daxxar | apt, forget /.ssh/config |
| 06:45.05 | apt | daxxar: i forgot /.ssh/config |
| 06:45.18 | daxxar | I have like a million shortnames for user/hosts in it :) |
| 06:45.23 | Phated | The bot doth need a new callsign, methinks. :) |
| 06:45.25 | nvz | peterS, reads his documentation, and it often shows :P |
| 06:45.30 | daxxar | Hehe :) |
| 06:45.34 | schuler | lizsac: gnome-terminal: Terminal->Character Encoding ... |
| 06:45.37 | daxxar | Oh well. *poof* |
| 06:45.46 | lizsac | for the console |
| 06:45.48 | lizsac | ... |
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| 06:46.31 | nvz | Phated: that bot is probably older than you.. heh |
| 06:46.36 | asuffield | or hey, you could stop being a pack of lazy bitches and refer to it by name, rather than by punctuation |
| 06:46.53 | asuffield | it's not, apt's the rookie. but dpkg is dead |
| 06:47.02 | Phated | You can't exactly say apt: /.ssh/config... |
| 06:47.22 | nvz | asuffield: dpkg is dead? what is that suppose to mean? |
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| 06:47.29 | Phated | nvz: Almost everyone on this channel is. |
| 06:47.37 | asuffield | nvz: it died a long time ago |
| 06:47.40 | nvz | meh?! |
| 06:47.51 | Phated | dpkg dead? |
| 06:47.51 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 06:47.58 | asuffield | that's not dpkg, that's an imposter |
| 06:48.06 | Phated | Ah. |
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| 06:48.21 | pipeline | the old dpkg is dead, then? |
| 06:48.24 | pipeline | What happened to it? |
| 06:48.25 | nvz | well its not been acting 'normal' I've noticed, but I didnt know it was dead |
| 06:48.26 | Phated | Sad. :( |
| 06:48.47 | peterS | pipeline: there was an old dpkg like a year and a half ago that died. this dpkg isn't the same one as that one was. |
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| 06:49.00 | lizsac | died ... |
| 06:49.07 | asuffield | dpkg was a bundle of tcl scripts and shit. some fucker found a hole and cracked it. nobody was left who could bear to edit the awful code to fix it |
| 06:49.09 | lizsac | console ... |
| 06:49.31 | schuler | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 06:49.33 | asuffield | I still have a copy lying around here someplace |
| 06:49.39 | lizsac | hrmm |
| 06:49.44 | lizsac | that'd be cool |
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| 06:50.02 | nvz | I took "< Phated> nvz: Almost everyone on this channel is." to be a response to "< nvz> asuffield: dpkg is dead? what is that suppose to mean?" and not "< nvz> Phated: that bot is probably older than you.. heh" which is what she was responding to I guess |
| 06:50.22 | Phated | Yeah, that was. |
| 06:50.28 | asuffield | if you run 'fortune -m dpkg' on sid you can see a couple of quotes from it |
| 06:50.36 | Phated | Heh, cool. |
| 06:50.44 | asuffield | hmm, and me |
| 06:50.49 | asuffield | I wonder when that got in there |
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| 06:51.05 | Phated | You're in more than on fortune, you know. |
| 06:51.11 | Phated | s/on/one/ |
| 06:51.23 | asuffield | sure, but fortune is typically about twenty years behind the times |
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| 06:51.36 | Phated | Yeah, it's get an OF quote about potato. |
| 06:52.13 | asuffield | could be almost anything, but at a guess... |
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| 06:52.20 | asuffield | apt: overfiendsphallus |
| 06:52.21 | apt | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 06:52.25 | asuffield | hmm, not potato |
| 06:52.30 | Phated | Haha, no. |
| 06:52.52 | Phated | It was, eh... Something along the lines of "We're calling 2.2 _POTATO_?" |
| 06:53.34 | nvz | thats when I jumped on the bandwagon, when 2.2 Potato was stable |
| 06:53.38 | lizsac | that's for changing keymaps |
| 06:53.43 | lizsac | thanks anyways |
| 06:53.44 | nvz | well when it was current stable |
| 06:53.51 | asuffield | my collection of Overfiend quotes is much better than fortune |
| 06:54.02 | Phated | asuffield: Submit! :) Or paste. |
| 06:54.09 | asuffield | people.debian.org/~quotes/overfiend |
| 06:54.16 | asuffield | erm, ~asuffield/quotes |
| 06:54.20 | Phated | I had potato on my box for half an hour, then I gave up and used the woody disc. |
| 06:54.46 | jm_ | lizsac: since you obviously don't intend to stop or investigate things on your own -- man consolechars, /etc/console-tools/config |
| 06:55.05 | lizsac | well thank you for everything! |
| 06:55.08 | lizsac | heh |
| 06:55.30 | nvz | I need to visit the library tomorrow and get me some english grammar books |
| 06:55.48 | nvz | seems all the school work anymore assumes I already know this stuff :p |
| 06:55.50 | Phated | Why bother? 95% of #debian doesn't. |
| 06:56.14 | nvz | turns out, I know a lot less than I should about grammar. |
| 06:56.57 | asuffield | I can't really say that emulating 95% of anything is a good idea, let alone #debian |
| 06:57.11 | asuffield | if you can find anything that 95% of people agree on, it's a pretty sure bet that it's wrong |
| 06:57.20 | maher | the earth is flat! |
| 06:57.27 | Phated | He doesn't need to actively emulate them. :) |
| 06:57.38 | pipeline | God is life! |
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| 07:00.16 | nvz | well its nice to see a day later I am healing up without any signs of infection, after removing many fragments of a large splinter from my finger with a staple :P |
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| 07:00.28 | peterS | nvz: ow. |
| 07:00.34 | debian | nvz: awe... |
| 07:00.45 | Phated | Brilliant! |
| 07:00.51 | nvz | yeah, a small staple is the best thing I could find to work with |
| 07:00.53 | Phated | And... You are a sick, sick man. |
| 07:00.57 | Phated | Fingers! |
| 07:01.13 | debian | nvz: I'll call the military. Where do you live again? |
| 07:01.16 | asuffield | fuck's sake, use a needle when you do that |
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| 07:01.28 | asuffield | Phated: keep them to yourself please |
| 07:01.28 | nvz | its pretty hard to cut skin with a finger.. especially since I cut my nails way too short to play the guitar |
| 07:01.46 | Phated | asuffield: *fingerrrr* |
| 07:01.58 | debian | nvz: you're supposed to play it with fake finger-nails... |
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| 07:02.08 | Phated | Eh... |
| 07:02.23 | Phated | Heh. So those fake fingernails have a use after all. |
| 07:02.48 | peterS | they're for scratching boys who get fresh |
| 07:02.48 | debian | Phated: not those you use for good looking |
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| 07:02.53 | asuffield | eew, playing a guitar with fingernails? what a horrible idea |
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| 07:03.07 | asuffield | what do you think you have bones for? |
| 07:03.12 | Phated | peterS: Whaaaaaat? I can't knee them in the groin anymore? |
| 07:03.12 | debian | asuffield: yeah, it makes good sound scratching on it |
| 07:03.16 | nvz | well I see other people playing without problems, but the only way I can seem to fit my fingers on a string without muting the strings next to it, is to use the very tip of my finger, and if my nails grow past the end of my finger, they stop me from pressing all the way, and it makes a buzzing sound on the fret when I pick the string |
| 07:03.23 | debian | asuffield: prolong erection? |
| 07:03.33 | nvz | so I keep em ridiculously short |
| 07:03.41 | peterS | Phated: that works too, I guess, but doesn't have the delicious possibility of giving them tetanus or aids |
| 07:03.43 | Phated | You don't have bones in your dick, y'know. |
| 07:03.56 | Phated | peterS: Oh, no, the tetanus comes from the rusty nails in their eyes. |
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| 07:04.11 | peterS | Phated: you carry a nail gun? rock on |
| 07:04.22 | flatpooks | hi :) |
| 07:04.23 | nanok | ok |
| 07:04.25 | Phated | peterS: No, no, just rusty nails. Eyes are soft. |
| 07:04.28 | nanok | now i'm fucked |
| 07:04.29 | nanok | :) |
| 07:04.41 | chealer | hi flatpooks. solved your problem? |
| 07:04.43 | xun5 | dick is a muscle |
| 07:04.45 | asuffield | you can hit somebody in the eyes with a nailgun? why the fuck would you know how to do that? |
| 07:04.46 | nanok | any hint on how to reinstall everything, the ellegant way? |
| 07:04.48 | peterS | Phated: you can probably shoot rusty nails from your hand with a rubber band, if you're good enough. not that I've tried |
| 07:04.54 | OrionBerlin | !faq |
| 07:04.54 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 07:05.02 | flatpooks | hehehe not yet but at least i can talk here now |
| 07:05.04 | flatpooks | :) |
| 07:05.06 | Phated | peterS: You use long nails and just stab them right in, I believe. |
| 07:05.21 | flatpooks | i was wondering if anyone else has been having problems with apt-get update? |
| 07:05.28 | peterS | Phated: "long nails"? that's kind of ambiguous, given the topic we started with (: |
| 07:05.39 | nvz | flatpooks: ask google, or be more specific. |
| 07:05.40 | asuffield | if you use a *long* nail, then tetanus will be the least of their worries |
| 07:05.48 | Phated | peterS: Long bits of metal with a flat head. :P |
| 07:05.52 | flatpooks | ive been googling for days with nada |
| 07:05.54 | asuffield | on account of them being dead |
| 07:06.03 | Phated | peterS: I wouldn't get gunk on my fingers, eew, eye gunk. |
| 07:06.04 | nvz | flatpooks: we don't fill out surveys here, if you have a problem present it. |
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| 07:06.11 | flatpooks | ok so apt-get update gives me a bunch of errors that it cant find blah blah blah sources |
| 07:06.20 | peterS | Phated: it's an acquired taste, to be sure |
| 07:06.27 | asuffield | flatpooks: so you did blah blah blah wrong, go fix it |
| 07:06.28 | Phated | I mean, with the amount of pr0n those pervs watch, I don't want my fingers anywhere near their optic nerves. |
| 07:06.40 | nvz | flatpooks: give a oneline quote or use a pastebin or something |
| 07:06.44 | asuffield | Phated: ...you are way too familiar with these people |
| 07:07.07 | flatpooks | well see since ive been doing blah blah blah right for the past 2yrs i doubt i suddenly got a case of amnesia and got it wronfg |
| 07:07.13 | Phated | asuffield: Self defence classes! You meet the weirdest people. Besides, half of #debian falls into the mold. |
| 07:07.13 | peterS | Phated: for people who watch a lot of pr0n, your fingers wouldn't have enough girth to be interesting |
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| 07:07.33 | Phated | peterS: Yes, but their eyes are all... icky from the pr0n. :) |
| 07:07.44 | xun5 | flatpooks: check /etc/apt/sources.list maybe you messed up with something :P |
| 07:07.45 | nanok | help? |
| 07:07.47 | nanok | :) |
| 07:07.48 | Phated | And I don't want to stab their eyes out with, you know, my actual nails. |
| 07:07.50 | asuffield | "self defence classes"? is this some cheesy TV series and nobody told me? |
| 07:07.57 | Phated | :P |
| 07:07.59 | nanok | damn, hte flame is to high up :) |
| 07:08.07 | OrionBerlin | can someone help me :( i cant make " make menuconfig" i want to build my own kernel |
| 07:08.14 | debian | OrionBerlin: what error |
| 07:08.29 | nanok | OrionBerlin: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 07:08.33 | peterS | OrionBerlin: did you install the stuff mentioned in Documentation/Changes? |
| 07:08.36 | nanok | most likely :) |
| 07:08.41 | asuffield | I'd hate to be in a TV series. I'd feel obliged to kill everybody just to make it end |
| 07:08.42 | flatpooks | sheesh thnx for the great help guys ... apart from asking me idiot questions u dont do much huh? |
| 07:08.42 | OrionBerlin | wait a second |
| 07:08.44 | nvz | OrionBerlin: well do you know about kernel-pacakge and fakeroot already? |
| 07:08.45 | flatpooks | bye bye |
| 07:08.49 | xun5 | OrionBerlin do you have libncurses5-dev? |
| 07:08.57 | OrionBerlin | yes |
| 07:08.59 | OrionBerlin | !nopaste |
| 07:08.59 | dpkg | it has been said that nopaste is http://nopaste.snit.ch/ or http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 07:09.08 | Phated | asuffield: That's one show I'd watch. |
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| 07:09.26 | Phated | But, y'know, only if they didn't edit out the killing bits. |
| 07:09.32 | OrionBerlin | http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/2000 |
| 07:09.55 | gteppel | What is the debian-esque way of storing downloaded deb files? |
| 07:10.04 | asuffield | gteppel: a hard drive |
| 07:10.14 | nvz | heh, don't you just love when an idiot tries to make us out to be the ones who are being stupid? |
| 07:10.16 | OrionBerlin | ahhh found the problem :) needed to make the console a bit greater sorry |
| 07:10.28 | gteppel | asuffield: directory??? |
| 07:10.36 | Phated | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 07:10.40 | gteppel | Phated: thank you |
| 07:10.58 | nanok | is anyone up for a quick hint for me to? |
| 07:10.59 | nanok | :) |
| 07:11.17 | xun5 | guys, i was trying to compile the 2.6.10 kernel and i get this error http://pastebin.com/250407 |
| 07:11.29 | heyheyiysme | hi which is faster p4 M or p4 HT? |
| 07:11.38 | scarynetworkguy | !tell nanok about ask |
| 07:11.39 | zeeble | heyheyiysme: p4 ht |
| 07:11.41 | nanok | filesystem crash, many missing file, need to reinstall all packages in some "ellegant" way.. |
| 07:11.49 | nvz | nanok: don't use the ask-to-ask protocol here, its a waste of bandwidth :P |
| 07:11.49 | zeeble | when handling multiple applications |
| 07:12.02 | asuffield | heyheyiysme: depends how hard you throw them. yeesh, talk about strange questions |
| 07:12.04 | nanok | scarynetworkguy: i allready asked, but the flame was to high and it ate up my questions :) |
| 07:12.05 | Biovore | P4 M is a Pentium 233 overclock to 2 or 3 ghz |
| 07:12.08 | maher | nanok: can you run dpkg? |
| 07:12.12 | tarzeau | nanok: get a list of all pcaakges installed... |
| 07:12.14 | nanok | yes, ofc |
| 07:12.20 | nanok | aptitude also |
| 07:12.22 | Phated | Eh, wasn't there a dpkg factoid for it? Which... DUnno if this dpkg has it. |
| 07:12.24 | tarzeau | nanok: try to save all config files (/etc and in your /home) |
| 07:12.37 | nanok | oh, no |
| 07:12.46 | nanok | etc files and the home are not important |
| 07:12.53 | nanok | fresh install |
| 07:13.12 | asuffield | nanok: just burn it and start over |
| 07:13.38 | nanok | asuffield: yes, thought of that, it breaks my heart |
| 07:13.47 | xun5 | anyone? |
| 07:13.49 | nanok | i wasted the whole night on this baby.. |
| 07:13.51 | nanok | :( |
| 07:13.57 | asuffield | nanok: you could have reinstalled it in under half an hour |
| 07:14.09 | nanok | i guess i have no choice, it seems the most straightforward way after all |
| 07:14.19 | nanok | asuffield: yes, i know |
| 07:14.20 | nanok | ah |
| 07:14.26 | Phated | Yeah, since you said nothing was important...? |
| 07:14.42 | maher | nanok: use debsums to check for broken packages |
| 07:14.43 | nanok | i didn't waste the whole night on trying to fix it, but on having it to work in the first place :) |
| 07:14.45 | asuffield | if there's no good reason to try and recover a system, just don't |
| 07:15.36 | nanok | asuffield: there is: to get acces to the net and rebuild the system, i should go through booting knoppix and chrooting into the woddy env again and so on and so forth |
| 07:15.37 | nvz | pastebin.com isnt very links2 friendly |
| 07:15.37 | maher | nanok: apt-get has a reinstall option, dpkg --get-selections gives you a list of packages |
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| 07:15.57 | nanok | maher: thats what i tryed first |
| 07:16.01 | Phated | Along with their status, so you could combine it with some kind of cut thing. |
| 07:16.03 | Coke | maher: bill? :) |
| 07:16.05 | tarzeau | dpkg tryed |
| 07:16.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, tryed is not English. I think you meant to say 'tried'. "tryed" _is_ English, just middle / old English. |
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| 07:16.08 | asuffield | maher: that takes hours to clean up |
| 07:16.14 | nvz | asuffield: well, if you think you could use experience with recovery, I think its better to learn when there is nothing to loose :P |
| 07:16.15 | nanok | when i do apt-get install --reinstall `cat package.list` |
| 07:16.36 | maher | asuffield: i dunno from experience as i make backups... |
| 07:16.38 | nanok | it screems that it gets into some dependency loop and can't pre-configure some packages |
| 07:16.44 | nvz | ... but if you arent looking to learn from it then its a waste of time |
| 07:16.45 | asuffield | nvz: bah, if you're that desperate for practice then you can break a few boxes easily enough |
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| 07:17.03 | NSAfreak | I'm having some problems with CUPS and/or with Samba 3, could somebody help me out? |
| 07:17.09 | Coke | nanok: you can also try dpkg's set-selection |
| 07:17.10 | nanok | asuffield: oh yeah :) |
| 07:17.23 | Opiated | wow, the official debian package for xfce4.0 is totally crap compared to the unofficial 4.2 debs |
| 07:17.26 | xun5 | well.. thx |
| 07:17.29 | Opiated | its is much more sexier |
| 07:17.34 | Phated | <koff> |
| 07:17.36 | tarzeau | Opiated: so? |
| 07:17.42 | Phated | Wow, you totally need to get laid... |
| 07:17.43 | maher | nanok: if you can run debootstrap from your current system then reinstalling isn't hasrd |
| 07:17.45 | Coke | nanok: dpkg --set-selections will maybe not complain about recursive dependencies? |
| 07:17.49 | Opiated | its giving me a boner man |
| 07:17.50 | tarzeau | Opiated: tell the maintainr of 4.0 not random people in #debian |
| 07:17.52 | Opiated | :) |
| 07:17.54 | Phated | See above. |
| 07:17.56 | nvz | heh |
| 07:18.05 | Phated | Anyway, 4.2 was in sid some time ago or something. |
| 07:18.07 | tarzeau | Opiated: because my opinion is xfce is total crap, and GNUstep rules it all |
| 07:18.12 | Opiated | tarzeau, I am sharing my joy, not complaining or arguing |
| 07:18.35 | asuffield | Phated: and you're going to take pity on him? |
| 07:18.46 | nanok | Coke: you mean running dpkg --set-selections < `cat package.list` |
| 07:18.47 | nanok | ? |
| 07:18.51 | nvz | yeah I tried many times to see something in xfce, but failed to find anything. |
| 07:18.51 | nanok | and then what? |
| 07:18.55 | Phated | asuffield: I said he needed to get laid. He can bloody well buy his own pityfuck. |
| 07:18.56 | Coke | nanok: you don't need to cat |
| 07:19.03 | Coke | nanok: redirect < means redirect from file |
| 07:19.05 | nanok | ah, yeah, i remeber |
| 07:19.09 | nanok | :) |
| 07:19.15 | NSAfreak | Well I guess I'll state my problem and see if somebody can help. I'm running CUPS 1.1.23 and Samba 3. I've added an Epson C80 through the web admin interface of CUPS although for some odd reason whenever I try and do anything like manage printers I get an access denied. The printer shows as shareable when I browse to it in Windows XP but ever time I try and add it as a printer once it's added it shows a status as being unable to con |
| 07:19.36 | tarzeau | Opiated: screenshot? what are the details what's better? |
| 07:19.37 | asuffield | Phated: it's obvious what part of the world you come from :P |
| 07:19.40 | nanok | Coke: and after? (i think i should get to read the debian refference again :) ) |
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| 07:19.53 | Opiated | maybe I was a bit to radical in my statement |
| 07:19.58 | Phated | asuffield: A capitalist part? :) Besides, I don't do pityfucks. |
| 07:19.59 | Opiated | I should rephrase myself |
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| 07:20.10 | Opiated | I like 4.2 better than 4.0, none are crap, and all is good |
| 07:20.13 | nvz | heh, I like that one. pityfuck. I think I've done that before... if I had known at the time I was offering a pityfuck I probably wouldnt have done it |
| 07:20.25 | Opiated | nvz, fat chics need lovin too |
| 07:20.25 | Phated | Yeah, but you got laid anyway. |
| 07:20.26 | Coke | nanok: that will set the list of all package states that should be. any write operation of apt will result in implementing the package list. |
| 07:20.26 | Opiated | :/ |
| 07:20.53 | nanok | Coke: i see, so apt-get install -f should do the trick after.. |
| 07:20.58 | Phated | (Fat chics? Come on, you got a hardon from a WM. Get real. Fat chics are the only ones who -will- love you.) |
| 07:20.59 | Coke | nanok: most likely. |
| 07:21.02 | tarzeau | Opiated: yes but what exactly was done so much better in 4.2 over 4.0? |
| 07:21.07 | Opiated | on the contrary |
| 07:21.15 | Opiated | http://never.belike.net/pics/marlanisha1.jpg |
| 07:21.22 | Phated | tarzeau: It does actually look better. |
| 07:21.28 | Phated | But... Not much beyond that. |
| 07:21.34 | Opiated | I am happily engaged to a medical student who is quite beautiful |
| 07:21.37 | asuffield | Phated: in most of the western world, all you can buy is resigned boredom. there aren't many places you can buy pity :P |
| 07:21.40 | Coke | nanok: apt-cache show mondo |
| 07:21.43 | NSAfreak | .anybody? |
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| 07:21.55 | Phated | asuffield: Throw some extra money at it, and they'll fake pity. |
| 07:22.18 | asuffield | Phated: ah, the right-wing theory. the world very rarely works that way :P |
| 07:22.41 | Phated | asuffield: <sigh> You're right. The guy doesn't have enough money to buy pity anyway. |
| 07:22.44 | Opiated | oh and btw, my fiancee also runs debian |
| 07:22.45 | nanok | Coke: yeah, i know, but its a bit late now, isn't it :) |
| 07:23.01 | nvz | haha. na this girl wasnt fat. I never had sex with a fat girl. I am not sure what you would call what I did to that fat girl other than nasty :P personally I liked her, but everyone else tells me it was nasty |
| 07:23.03 | Opiated | i have successfully converted her to debian |
| 07:23.05 | Coke | nanok: see, the get-selections and set-selections trick only remembers what packages were installed and/or what state they had. Mondo is, as I understand it, Debian aware. |
| 07:23.10 | asuffield | (the ironic part is that corporations are very bad at supplying what the customer wants, but organised crime is much, much better at it) |
| 07:23.11 | nanok | i should really backup the tiny partition the armada uses for "bios" setup |
| 07:23.12 | Phated | Big deal. My boyfriend runs Debian. So? |
| 07:23.20 | Coke | nanok: for next time. |
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| 07:23.22 | Phated | asuffield: Organised crime, gotta love it. |
| 07:23.23 | Opiated | why are you on the hostile front phated |
| 07:23.36 | Opiated | its not a big deal, true. |
| 07:23.38 | Phated | Because... You just got a hardon over a WM? |
| 07:23.40 | maher | asuffield: people want their money extorted away from them? |
| 07:23.42 | nanok | if that one gets fucked, then i am "propper fucked" |
| 07:23.44 | nanok | :) |
| 07:23.45 | Opiated | and you just have to keep going on about it? |
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| 07:23.51 | Phated | Of course. |
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| 07:23.59 | Opiated | maybe you need to get laid :) |
| 07:24.01 | asuffield | maher: that is the excuse the corporations normally use, yes |
| 07:24.01 | Phated | You keep it going on as well. |
| 07:24.06 | NSAfreak | Does anybody know why a printer shared on a Debian 3 woody box that was added via CUPS will not communicate once shared with Windows XP? |
| 07:24.11 | Phated | I just did, thank you. Awesome fuck. |
| 07:24.11 | Coke | Phated: I get a hardon for lesser things than WM's. Women, for instance. :) |
| 07:24.24 | scarynetworkguy | !tell NSAfreak about smart questions |
| 07:24.41 | tarzeau | Coke: women can do much more than managing windows |
| 07:24.44 | asuffield | Phated: provide photographic evidence |
| 07:24.45 | nanok | oookk |
| 07:24.46 | Phated | Coke: I'm sorry for you, having to waste all those hardons. |
| 07:24.56 | Opiated | but you do realize it doesn't mean one literally has a hardon over a wm. but keep goin on if you want, it doesn't matter |
| 07:24.56 | Phated | asuffield: I'm not much of an exhibitionist. :) |
| 07:24.57 | Coke | tarzeau: yes, but nothing as useful. |
| 07:25.06 | NSAfreak | Ok for the person that sent me a PM via dpkg I have already read both the CUPS manual and Samba 3 manual |
| 07:25.07 | nanok | debsums seems happy, so, appereantlly, reinstalling everything will NOT do the trick |
| 07:25.10 | tarzeau | Coke: hah, i don't know what kind of women you meet |
| 07:25.12 | NSAfreak | I cannot see anything that I have missed as of yet |
| 07:25.18 | asuffield | Phated: I don't mind, spy cameras are okay |
| 07:25.20 | nanok | i think i will have to start from scratch :( |
| 07:25.24 | nanok | well |
| 07:25.31 | Coke | tarzeau: the ones that go for less than ten bucks |
| 07:25.34 | Phated | You know, it started out as a joke. If you have laughed at it, it would have been funny. You're just... So very sensitive. I guess women like that type now. |
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| 07:25.41 | nanok | that will teach me trying to fix something that isnt broken |
| 07:25.41 | Phated | asuffield: Set it up yerself, you lazy bum. |
| 07:25.42 | tarzeau | Coke: what window manager do you use? |
| 07:25.52 | nvz | slutwm |
| 07:25.52 | NSAfreak | I've tried multiple solutions, I've removed CUPS and reinstalled it, I've completely reconfigured samba, and several other options and nothing has worked. It has gotten to the point where I'm thinking of completely reloading Debian |
| 07:25.53 | Coke | tarzeau: varies. icewm or ratpoison |
| 07:25.57 | Opiated | no, its just that you are very sarcastic, in the most non-funny way |
| 07:25.57 | Opiated | :) |
| 07:26.14 | Coke | What? Phated was funny? When did this happen? |
| 07:26.14 | asuffield | Phated: I can't reach. and do you have any idea what it costs to hire a decent pervert in that part of the world? |
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| 07:26.25 | Phated | asuffield: Next to nothing? |
| 07:26.35 | scarynetworkguy | NSAfreak: Yeah rather than really troubleshooting randomly reloading stuff is always a good idea. |
| 07:26.48 | Phated | Opiated: <sigh> Very well, go lay your fiancee. Have a good day. |
| 07:26.52 | NSAfreak | I've tried all the troubleshooting I can think of scary |
| 07:26.54 | Opiated | thank you |
| 07:26.55 | NSAfreak | I've read through the logs |
| 07:27.02 | Panzerboy | hi everybody |
| 07:27.04 | NSAfreak | I've read the manuals |
| 07:27.05 | maher | NSAfreak: did you set max debug level |
| 07:27.08 | Phated | asuffield: You know, considering most of them are just... wandering the streets. |
| 07:27.11 | scarynetworkguy | God what a fucking nancy boy. |
| 07:27.17 | nanok | hellloooo Panzerboy |
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| 07:27.26 | Panzerboy | nanok: :) |
| 07:27.27 | nanok | wellcome to the zoo :)) |
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| 07:27.35 | nvz | zoo zoo |
| 07:27.40 | nvz | you can come too too too |
| 07:27.40 | Panzerboy | yeah |
| 07:27.41 | Panzerboy | zoo rulez |
| 07:27.44 | asuffield | Phated: I said 'decent', as in "won't spend all the money on drugs, will supply the product" |
| 07:27.56 | Opiated | mmmm, drugs |
| 07:27.59 | nvz | we're going to the zoo zoo zoo |
| 07:28.02 | nanok | Panzerboy: then your definetlly in the right place |
| 07:28.04 | nanok | :P |
| 07:28.14 | Panzerboy | nanok: :) |
| 07:28.21 | tarzeau | don't feed the parrots? |
| 07:28.24 | Phated | asuffield: Oh, right, missed that. Well, all right, somewhat more than next to nothing, but not a substantial amount. You do have the currency-ial advantage. |
| 07:28.42 | Phated | asuffield: :> |
| 07:28.51 | Opiated | then scratch! |
| 07:28.58 | nvz | well actually just on my upper body |
| 07:29.04 | tarzeau | hehe zoo and parrots: www.linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg |
| 07:29.15 | Phated | Hey, you can scratch without having to stretch, winnar. |
| 07:29.26 | nvz | I am scratching.. but I am beginning to worry I am doing it too much |
| 07:29.34 | Phated | Chickenpox! |
| 07:29.47 | asuffield | fungal infection |
| 07:30.03 | Phated | DEATH RASH |
| 07:30.25 | asuffield | cockroaches |
| 07:30.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: You aren't really supposed to tell people about the death rash. Kind of ruins the secret. |
| 07:30.38 | Phated | Parasitic worms. |
| 07:30.46 | chealer | tarzeau: is that related to nirvana? |
| 07:30.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bah, he's close to dead, it won't matter. |
| 07:30.51 | nvz | I am in the greater Pittsburgh area, I don't know that benedryl is equipped for this. |
| 07:31.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah. good point. |
| 07:31.10 | tarzeau | chealer: no idea. do you need a translation? |
| 07:31.28 | scarynetworkguy | That would be why you're the smart one and I'm the brutish and violent one. |
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| 07:31.49 | xun5 | chealer: yes |
| 07:31.53 | Phated | Pfft. |
| 07:32.06 | chealer | tarzeau: if you think it's worth it |
| 07:32.24 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: don't be so hard on yourself, you're a pretty fart smeller :P |
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| 07:33.05 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: No I *like* being the brutish and violent one. |
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| 07:33.51 | tarzeau | chealer: "polly wants a cracker." "polly wants a cracker." (cracker is like a cookie) "crack! polly needs crack! shit, give me crack! polly needs crack!" |
| 07:34.04 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 07:34.17 | nvz | yeah I know that feeling |
| 07:34.20 | Phated | Woot, mwilson is here. |
| 07:34.38 | asuffield | Phated: you're just a glutton for abuse really |
| 07:34.43 | mwilson | I've been here. |
| 07:34.45 | Phated | asuffield: You know it. :) |
| 07:35.03 | chealer | tarzeau: thanks, I think I'll have to investigate what the song means to understand, nirvana being a band I like a lot |
| 07:35.46 | Panzerboy | nanok: why aren't you on mumu ? |
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| 07:36.26 | nanok | Panzerboy: hm.. no need, much more chaos here |
| 07:36.35 | nanok | :) |
| 07:36.39 | Panzerboy | :) |
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| 07:37.38 | nvz | its early Monday morning here. I don't know about where the rest of you are. but its aweful slow in #debian and here we all are talking openly with no topic in mind :P |
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| 07:38.05 | ircdevil | excellent! i just caught a bat (in a hospital) |
| 07:38.07 | nvz | my clock is wrong, while I have nothing to say |
| 07:38.28 | ircdevil | now, what does one do with one tired bat? |
| 07:38.31 | mwilson | That's better. |
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| 07:38.52 | tarzeau | i wonder if mozilla+its mail 1.7.5 on woody crashes for others also at least 3 times per day |
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| 07:39.12 | tarzeau | ircdevil: in nethack you kill bats |
| 07:39.16 | nvz | I thought I had ntpdate on my hd.. so even _if_ my brother didnt know how to keep his system clock right, it should have corrected it at boot when I put my drive in |
| 07:39.25 | tarzeau | ircdevil: poor thingy, what does it have? |
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| 07:41.45 | chealer | wow, my system clock is 6 minutes ahead of time and I resynchronized it under a month ago. I thought it was more reliable |
| 07:41.58 | asuffield | chealer: six minutes in a month? that's abnormally accurate |
| 07:42.07 | asuffield | PC system clocks are typically accurate to about a minute a day |
| 07:42.09 | nvz | hmm, someone was listening to me.. I guess I got to change the subject now |
| 07:42.16 | asuffield | nobody cares enough to calibrate them correctly |
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| 07:42.46 | chealer | asuffield: hum... thanks anyway |
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| 07:43.11 | nvz | I seem to have lost some 40 lbs or so in texas.. the scale upstairs is wrong, but even with the estimated offset, I still seem to have lost a _lot_ of weight. |
| 07:43.23 | idnar | asuffield: a minute a day with the system running? ouch. |
| 07:43.26 | nvz | which isnt good, because I wasnt overweight to begin with |
| 07:43.37 | asuffield | idnar: linux does not use the hardware clock while it is running |
| 07:43.40 | nvz | I need to get somewhere where I can be accuratly weighed |
| 07:43.46 | asuffield | not least because it's shit |
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| 07:44.08 | asuffield | the hardware clock is only used to retain something resembling the right year while the system is powered down |
| 07:44.14 | chealer | I guess I had in mind that PCs could be as reliable as clocks |
| 07:44.21 | asuffield | chealer: sure. if you run ntpd. otherwise not. |
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| 07:44.58 | asuffield | because PC clocks are shit, everybody uses network time instead. because everybody uses network time, there's no demand for PC clocks that aren't shit. so the motherboard manufacturers use cheap crap that hasn't been correctly calibrated |
| 07:45.15 | chealer | well, KDE 3.4 is supposed to help use ntpdate so it will be less bad for me |
| 07:45.22 | idnar | asuffield: yeah, I know it doesn't use the hardware clock |
| 07:45.29 | TinoW | asuffield: you can use the ACPI clock too |
| 07:45.40 | asuffield | TinoW: that is normally the same useless clock chip |
| 07:46.29 | asuffield | it's *supposed* to be a lump of crystal quartz that has been calibrated against a known-good time source. but what you normally get in cheap crap like that is a lump of crystal, where somebody once calibrated another lump the similar size, and used the same number for everything on the production line |
| 07:46.36 | tvn | how many cars are there in the U.S ? |
| 07:46.43 | asuffield | tvn: too many. blow some up. |
| 07:46.51 | tarzeau | tvn: they're just too large |
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| 07:47.13 | nvz | heh |
| 07:47.16 | nvz | blow some up |
| 07:47.29 | nvz | you can start with my 1990 Volvo 760GLE |
| 07:47.44 | Xsquared | ok, i know this is a bit off topic but, i'd like to buy a Digital Audio Player. Which ones are compatiable with linux for use as external drives? i don't particulary want an ipod because of the battery. |
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| 07:48.30 | [aris] | where can i get help regarding dancer-services |
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| 07:48.34 | [aris] | where can i get help regarding dancer-services ? |
| 07:48.46 | pipeline | forums.nekochan.net |
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| 07:49.08 | ircdevil | tarzeau: rabies |
| 07:49.38 | [aris] | where can i get help regarding dancer-services ? |
| 07:49.45 | tarzeau | dpkg tell [aris] about repeat |
| 07:50.06 | [aris] | tarzeau, sorry |
| 07:50.15 | Coke | [aris]: have you heard of Google? |
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| 07:50.38 | [aris] | Coke, yes |
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| 07:50.52 | Coke | [aris]: so why ask here when you have the power of Google? |
| 07:51.02 | asuffield | helix: that appears to be an irix forum, not an anime one. there's a difference |
| 07:51.20 | helix | oh weird |
| 07:51.29 | Coke | [aris]: surely Google is a much more efficient tool when asking such vauge/broad questions. |
| 07:51.48 | helix | I'm used to 'chan' websites being anime related and a cursory glance at the pictures seemed to prove me right |
| 07:51.51 | helix | alas |
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| 07:52.01 | helix | I didn't look at the forum part though, just nekochan.net |
| 07:52.14 | asuffield | it is true that people who use japanese words in english like that tend to be nutcases |
| 07:52.25 | helix | andrew-chan |
| 07:52.28 | pountaar | does anybody have phpwiki working on sid? |
| 07:52.41 | asuffield | helix: are you looking for a good kicking? |
| 07:53.06 | helix | sorry, asuffield-chan |
| 07:53.28 | Xsquared | bah! |
| 07:53.39 | asuffield | aside from the catgirl it's a tasteless site anyway, all eva and guns and... is that guardian hearts? sheesh |
| 07:53.42 | Coke | !tell pountaar about smart questions |
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| 07:54.26 | Coke | Hm. Isn't there a factoid that both insults and informs users about smart questions? this one just gives them URLs to the FAQs, I'm missing an insult. |
| 07:54.38 | Nigel | are there mirror problems atm? |
| 07:54.53 | Nigel | Failed to fetch http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/phototk/phototk_0.9.9.0-4_all.deb 302 Found |
| 07:54.59 | nvz | yeah my mirror shows this ugly fuck |
| 07:55.12 | Nigel | (for a whole lot of packages |
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| 07:55.34 | nvz | he mocks my every movement too, its annoying. |
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| 07:56.00 | nvz | !info phototk |
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| 07:56.17 | Nigel | nvz: even tcl |
| 07:56.18 | dpkg | phototk: (GUI interface for digital cameras), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.9.9.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 512 kB |
| 07:56.44 | wally | good morning need some help |
| 07:56.55 | nvz | Nigel: *shrug* try another mirror, and apt-get update |
| 07:57.05 | nvz | shit happens |
| 07:57.10 | pountaar | maybe i'll just switch to gentoo |
| 07:57.34 | jetscreamer | damn i didn't get to say 'cya' |
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| 07:58.23 | rixth | Apt-get didn't remove a package properly (xmail) now I cn't use apt-get properly! How can I fix this? |
| 07:58.33 | rixth | COme to #flood anbd I'll paste a log |
| 07:59.01 | Coke | how the heck can you make scp swallow spaces and brackets in a remote filename? |
| 07:59.22 | pipeline | helix: Isn't an anime forum. |
| 07:59.48 | pipeline | helix: He asked about dancer-services, he must be asking about the canonical IRIX benchmark, the dancer ;) |
| 08:00.05 | Nigel | Failed to fetch http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 302 Found |
| 08:00.14 | Nigel | ouches |
| 08:00.26 | asuffield | so use a different mirror already, that one is clearly fucked |
| 08:00.32 | nvz | seriously |
| 08:00.37 | idnar | Nigel: unless the ftp.nz.debian.org admin is here, I don't think anyone can help you other than to suggest trying another mirror (as has already been said) |
| 08:00.43 | MacG | I just had a debian server go into "stabbing itself" mode. Was watching in top as suddenly ps started taking 99% of the CPU. Then sshd did the same, followed by cron. I tried to kill something in top but didn't work. exited and issued a kill command. tried to get back into top and the ssh session froze. Now I can't log in anymore. Any clues? :) |
| 08:01.02 | asuffield | MacG: your box died |
| 08:01.07 | MacG | it is a dual HT xeon with 2 GB of RAM and nothing much was running |
| 08:01.14 | asuffield | and now nothing is running |
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| 08:01.15 | ygnome | MacG: take the rest of the day off ) |
| 08:01.17 | asuffield | go reboot it |
| 08:01.24 | asuffield | if it doesn't boot, buy a new box |
| 08:01.25 | Coke | oh, quotes AND escape sequences |
| 08:01.26 | MacG | it is still on. it will fully establish a TCP connection |
| 08:01.35 | MacG | one problem: it is 5,000 miles away :) |
| 08:01.46 | asuffield | guess you're in for a trip |
| 08:01.55 | nvz | yep.. cheers |
| 08:01.56 | MacG | this has happened twice now. I'm just trying to figure out what is causing it |
| 08:02.03 | asuffield | hardware trouble, probably |
| 08:02.10 | nvz | its no fun, I just had one about 1500+ miles myself.. and it sucked |
| 08:02.14 | ygnome | MacG: send it a letter bomb and buy another one :) |
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| 08:02.17 | tcp|p | i'm trying to install mplayer |
| 08:02.23 | asuffield | it *could* be a kernel bug, but unless you have freaky drivers that's fairly unlikely. it's most likely dead hardware |
| 08:02.26 | tcp|p | and read this in the readme file |
| 08:02.41 | tcp|p | NOTE: If you run Debian you can configure, compile and build a proper Debian.deb package with only one command: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 08:02.44 | MacG | damn |
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| 08:03.05 | MacG | can't really troubleshoot hardware from 5k miles away :( |
| 08:03.09 | tcp|p | where would I use that command at? |
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| 08:03.24 | nvz | hmm I am starting to become more concerned about this electric heater |
| 08:03.38 | asuffield | that should take your mind off it |
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| 08:03.45 | Xenthius | ive just run an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 and now it doesnt detect any of my network cards |
| 08:03.51 | ygnome | MacG: I've often considered including an explosive device in my remote servers for just this eventuality... |
| 08:04.01 | MacG | lol |
| 08:04.13 | asuffield | MacG: really should have checked out the hardware before sending it 5k miles away :P |
| 08:04.23 | nvz | well I had it plugged into a very long outdoor extension coord.. I thought to myself before, that a coord that long pulling that much current could be bad.. |
| 08:04.54 | nvz | I am thinking more and more that its in fact dangerous :P |
| 08:05.00 | MacG | I have actually never seen the box. it was donated to 'the cause' by someone in Sweden |
| 08:05.20 | TinoW | Xenthius: did you actually reboot and also installed hotplug? |
| 08:05.31 | asuffield | ah, hardware donations |
| 08:05.38 | Xenthius | TinoW: yes i have rebooted the machine |
| 08:05.38 | asuffield | always a good way to palm off broken kit on somebody else |
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| 08:05.58 | Xenthius | TinoW: Im havent manually installed hotplug, do i need to install that aswell? |
| 08:05.59 | MacG | it is a kick ass server... when it is up. It is just that it tends to crash about every 50 days or so |
| 08:06.00 | OrionBerlin | Xenthius, why you use the 386 and not 686 ? |
| 08:06.04 | tcp|p | can anybody answer my mplayer option? |
| 08:06.17 | tcp|p | err |
| 08:06.19 | OrionBerlin | Xen, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:06.19 | tcp|p | question that is |
| 08:06.22 | Xenthius | i just chose it because it was there, i didnt relize there is even a difference |
| 08:06.30 | ygnome | MacG: a remote powerswitch is a good idea for this sort of problem. |
| 08:06.31 | jm_ | tcp|p: get precompiled package instead |
| 08:06.34 | Xenthius | so the 686 ya rekon |
| 08:06.35 | nvz | I am conducting a test, if my pc goes off, you need not wonder why |
| 08:06.35 | TinoW | Xenthius: well you need something which detects the hardware. The kernel cant if you use dynamical loaded modules |
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| 08:07.10 | OrionBerlin | TinoW, when i used the 386 my network card neithet got detected |
| 08:07.12 | tcp|p | jm_: any idea where I could find that? already looked around a bit |
| 08:07.13 | ygnome | MacG: or use the windows method. reboot it every 45 days. |
| 08:07.18 | OrionBerlin | TinoW, but with 686 version it got ;) |
| 08:07.21 | jm_ | tcp|p: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 08:07.25 | MacG | ygnome, lol |
| 08:07.28 | TinoW | OrionBerlin: some are integreated, some are modules |
| 08:07.39 | Xenthius | Oh fuck |
| 08:07.46 | nvz | yeah I feel a lot better with that plugged directly into the wall |
| 08:07.49 | Xenthius | i cant upgrade to 686 unless i reimage |
| 08:07.55 | tcp|p | ok thanks jm |
| 08:07.59 | Xenthius | because know it doesnt detect the network, has no internet connection |
| 08:08.00 | OrionBerlin | Xenthius, try the 686 kernel, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:08.20 | chealer | man bash says that Ctrl-Z should suspend a process and get back to bash. why doesn't that work for example in dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 08:08.26 | Xenthius | yep, im reghosting the boxen back to Debian SID running the 2.2.20 kernel |
| 08:08.34 | OrionBerlin | Xenthius, apt-get remove --purge kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 && apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:08.36 | Xenthius | OrionBerlin: are you going to be around for a few more hours |
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| 08:09.10 | OrionBerlin | Xenthius, maybe im trying now to compile my first own kernel : 2.6.11 |
| 08:09.51 | Xenthius | alright sweet thanks, my boxen is reghosting back to the Debian SID 2.2.20. That command you gave me is no good because without a detected NIC i cannot get access to the servers |
| 08:09.56 | deadcat | if you using testing. you can just go to p.d.o and download the lastest 2.6 and dpkg -i it |
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| 08:10.36 | Xenthius | OrionBerlin: i attempted a kernel compile. Nasty stuff. Didnt work at all for me |
| 08:10.59 | rixth | Apt-get didn't remove a package properly (xmail) now I cn't use apt-get properly! How can I fix this? |
| 08:11.05 | OrionBerlin | Xenthius, i will try again, yesterday i had some problems becouse it ditnt compile it complete had an error later |
| 08:11.18 | OrionBerlin | rixth, use synaptic |
| 08:11.26 | deadcat | rixth: apt-get install -f |
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| 08:12.05 | rixth | deadcat: no go |
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| 08:12.10 | Xenthius | brb, going to do some soldering whilst this boxen re-ghosts |
| 08:12.17 | OrionBerlin | rixth, Use Synaptic |
| 08:12.26 | rixth | OrionBerlin: I don't really like Synaptic, plus it fails also. |
| 08:12.28 | deadcat | synaptic is just a frontend |
| 08:12.35 | rixth | Exactly |
| 08:12.43 | mwilson | No, synaptic is a package manager. |
| 08:12.43 | OrionBerlin | rixth, apt-get remove --purge xmail ? |
| 08:12.56 | mwilson | It's not a front-end to anything. |
| 08:12.56 | deadcat | rixth: --reinstall maybe |
| 08:12.57 | sevenoak | hi, i have two versions of a script, how can i produce a patch file with that changes? |
| 08:13.02 | rixth | OrionBerlin, same result |
| 08:13.07 | rixth | deadcat: ill try that |
| 08:13.14 | mwilson | sevenoak: man diff |
| 08:13.18 | sevenoak | k |
| 08:13.42 | rixth | Deadcat, still fails |
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| 08:13.48 | rixth | Come to #flood and I'll post a log |
| 08:13.58 | OrionBerlin | tar xfv linux-2.6.11.tar.gz <-- how was the command to entract it again? :P |
| 08:14.01 | rixth | Its always the same error |
| 08:14.07 | OrionBerlin | tar txfv ? |
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| 08:15.10 | OrionBerlin | rixth, base-config ? |
| 08:15.25 | OrionBerlin | rixth, and add a another mirror |
| 08:15.41 | nvz | hah! I knew it |
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| 08:16.17 | nvz | this coord was only rated 1250W and thats a definate fire hazard |
| 08:16.33 | Xenthius | OrionBerlin: Ok the box is re-image, what command was it to install the 686? |
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| 08:16.42 | OrionBerlin | rixth, try apt-get install nullmail and then apt-get remove --purge xmail |
| 08:16.45 | nvz | I guess I had better keep in mind my family isnt smart enough to think for themselves sometimes |
| 08:16.52 | OrionBerlin | Xenthius, try the 686 kernel, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 08:17.10 | Xenthius | Thanks orion, i will go offline for around 10 minutes whilst the box ipdates |
| 08:17.21 | TinoW | apt-get install --purge I think because install of an MTA removes the other |
| 08:17.23 | OrionBerlin | Xenthius, sure :) |
| 08:17.53 | TinoW | (which is sometimes silly if you indeed want to install 2 different MTA) |
| 08:17.54 | mwilson | Don't you love how people invent random command line invocations without actually bothering to learn how the tool works? |
| 08:18.02 | nvz | even a small ceramic heater can be 1000-1500 watts, and this is a much larger heater, and says right on its UL tag, that it must not be used with a coord rated less than 1875W |
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| 08:18.31 | deadcat | mwilson: you mean install --purge? (= |
| 08:19.02 | Gumby | can anyone here tell me how I'd go about changing my "universal time"? I have run tzconfig and changed it to my locale but I still have a "universal time" |
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| 08:19.31 | jm_ | Gumby: /msg dpkg set time |
| 08:19.44 | TinoW | deadcat: whats wrong with it? |
| 08:20.00 | OrionBerlin | rixth, did you try it? |
| 08:20.01 | deadcat | TinoW: dont konw. never tried install --purge |
| 08:20.01 | Gumby | thx jm_ |
| 08:20.06 | Gumby | msg dpkg set time |
| 08:20.09 | Gumby | grr |
| 08:20.18 | rixth | OrionBerlin, sorry, I was off for a bit, I'll try that now, sorry :) |
| 08:20.28 | TinoW | deadcat: well, if an install removes something how would you tell it to purge too? |
| 08:20.38 | mwilson | TinoW: You wouldn't, of course. |
| 08:20.40 | TinoW | deadcat: and according to the man page it is a valid option |
| 08:21.18 | TinoW | "--purge Use purge instead of remove for anything that would be removed." |
| 08:21.30 | rixth | OrionBerlin, same result |
| 08:21.43 | OrionBerlin | rixth, mh strange :S |
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| 08:21.47 | deadcat | TinoW: when you use remove, not install |
| 08:21.55 | TinoW | deadcat: just read! |
| 08:22.05 | deadcat | TinoW: arg. |
| 08:22.16 | TinoW | deadcat: _for anything that would be deleted_ |
| 08:22.17 | deadcat | rixth: try downgrade xmail maybe? |
| 08:22.22 | TinoW | _anything_ |
| 08:22.30 | erirlar | anyone here had trubbel with /usr/sbin/famd running at 100% from time to time? |
| 08:22.41 | rixth | deadcat: where could I get an old version? |
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| 08:23.00 | mwilson | erirlar: Nah., sane people don't use FAM. |
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| 08:23.07 | deadcat | rixth: packages.debian.org, or check /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:23.20 | OrionBerlin | Does someone maybe got a CEDEGA CVS precompiled package? :( |
| 08:23.22 | mwilson | deadcat: No, he's right, I was wrong. |
| 08:23.24 | erirlar | mwilson, how do i remove it? |
| 08:23.43 | mwilson | erirlar: I didn't tell you to remove anything. |
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| 08:24.08 | deadcat | mwilson: oh. but i dont know what they were trying to do. |
| 08:24.54 | erirlar | mwilson: that you didnt :) but what sould i do, i really like debian it's just that the famd is driving me crazy |
| 08:25.36 | zeeble | erirlar: well, then stop fam. and use update-rc.d to remove it from startup |
| 08:26.25 | deadcat | how do i install linux? |
| 08:26.40 | TinoW | deadcat: apt-get install linux :^> |
| 08:26.52 | deadcat | ah |
| 08:26.58 | jetscreamer | how do i add an additional if blah =1 then fee, or if blah = 2 then fi, else blegh... the syntax of the additional or is what i'm after, i have a working if then else statement, i just wish to add an if then |
| 08:28.04 | deadcat | jetscreamer: the hell you trying to say? |
| 08:28.35 | TinoW | mwilson: I guess not using fam is even worser |
| 08:28.40 | deadcat | jetscreamer: elif? |
| 08:28.43 | ygnome | deadcat: this is #debian. if you ask how to install linux here, the maruading sharks will eat you! :) |
| 08:28.55 | rixth | deadcat: couldn't find an earlier version in either of those places, I've got 1.21 |
| 08:28.57 | deadcat | ygnome: hehe |
| 08:29.11 | deadcat | rixth: try whatever works. |
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| 08:29.29 | deadcat | rixth: if you using sid, get it from sarge or woody. |
| 08:29.34 | zeeble | the only reason i guess FAM runs is for nautilus to show the updated files and stuff |
| 08:29.38 | rixth | I'm using Sarge |
| 08:29.55 | deadcat | try woody's |
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| 08:30.03 | jetscreamer | else if or something yeah, i forget though.. i want to test for two seperate conditions, only one of which will be true, and then have the else |
| 08:30.09 | TinoW | ygnome: well, do we need to run Debian with gnu? :-) |
| 08:30.14 | rixth | deadcat; it isn't even available for Woody |
| 08:30.15 | j_k | jetscreamer: in a shellscript ? |
| 08:30.22 | erirlar | is Xorg better then XF86Free ? |
| 08:30.28 | jetscreamer | j_k, yeah /etc/profile, specifically |
| 08:30.34 | boukensya | hey guys.. I have a bunch of avi's that I want to convert into a dvd as quick and as easy as possible.. how would I do this? |
| 08:30.41 | zeeble | erirlar: better as in? |
| 08:30.47 | deadcat | jetscreamer: if [ $a = x ]; then cmd; elif [ $a = y]; then cmd2; else cmd3; fi |
| 08:30.53 | j_k | jetscreamer: iirc use elif, but man sh should give you the comlete reference ;-) |
| 08:31.00 | j_k | complete |
| 08:31.09 | erirlar | zeeble: running 3D |
| 08:31.18 | jetscreamer | cool.. and so it's sh.. i didn't know what to man even, thanks ya'll |
| 08:31.28 | OrionBerlin | BAH HOLY i cant compile the damn kernel arg |
| 08:31.38 | OrionBerlin | !paste |
| 08:31.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
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| 08:31.43 | zeeble | erirlar: dunno about 3D... works fine for me. i mean i run both on different machines, but i notice no differences :D |
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| 08:32.01 | nagual | !#shell |
| 08:32.03 | nagual | !#shells |
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| 08:32.09 | helix | nagual: what are you doing |
| 08:32.11 | nagual | im afraid of that channel, why is that |
| 08:32.22 | helix | because you'll get automatically k-lined if you join it |
| 08:32.26 | nagual | helix: trying to find out why some people told the spammer yesterday |
| 08:32.29 | nagual | .. |
| 08:32.32 | nagual | thats what i thought |
| 08:32.39 | zeeble | heh |
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| 08:32.42 | paster | "OrionBerlin" at 217.231.187.193 pasted "Help me to find the error please, cant compile the kernel 2.6.11" (332 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/321 |
| 08:32.49 | TinoW | #shells? /join #bash /join #zsh ... ;) |
| 08:32.55 | zeeble | erirlar: though it does'nt crash after running for 2-3 days, as some people had claimed. |
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| 08:33.21 | rixth | deadcat: should I install from source then try apt remove/ |
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| 08:33.42 | deadcat | rixth: you tried dpkg -i xmail.from.woody? |
| 08:33.45 | erirlar | zeeble: well im running archlinux with xorg now and it as never crashed on me. |
| 08:34.06 | rixth | cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 08:34.17 | zeeble | erirlar: well, since youre running it, you should know if its better for 3D |
| 08:34.30 | rixth | There is no Woody package for it anyway, according to packages.debian.org anyway |
| 08:34.49 | deadcat | rixth: http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/xmailbox ? |
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| 08:35.19 | jetscreamer | do i need to add a fi for the added elif? |
| 08:35.33 | deadcat | jetscreamer: if ... fi |
| 08:35.40 | jetscreamer | k thx |
| 08:35.54 | erirlar | zeeble: well they seem just alike to me |
| 08:35.54 | rixth | No, xmail is a SMTP server, xmailbox is a client |
| 08:35.58 | OrionBerlin | cant no one help me to find the error in my kernel :(( |
| 08:36.08 | deadcat | rixth: ah. no clue |
| 08:36.29 | deadcat | OrionBerlin: uncheck the option. |
| 08:36.44 | TinoW | rixth: xxxmail? ;) |
| 08:36.44 | OrionBerlin | deadcat, haha which ;P |
| 08:36.47 | rixth | Thanks anyway, I'm gonna try install from source then remove |
| 08:36.50 | zeeble | erirlar: exactly what i think |
| 08:36.51 | deadcat | OrionBerlin: drm |
| 08:36.52 | jetscreamer | yeah lose drm |
| 08:37.00 | rixth | TinoW, heh, no |
| 08:37.01 | OrionBerlin | mh wher eis it damn |
| 08:37.07 | jetscreamer | direct rendering management iirc |
| 08:37.28 | jetscreamer | video |
| 08:37.28 | deadcat | OrionBerlin: follow the path. |
| 08:37.55 | deadcat | rixth: i was thinking mailx (= |
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| 08:38.41 | OrionBerlin | i do not find it |
| 08:38.57 | jm_ | then don't bother compiling your own kernel |
| 08:39.06 | deadcat | yeep. |
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| 08:39.47 | deadcat | OrionBerlin: did some moron say "you have to compile your own linux kernel" |
| 08:39.49 | deadcat | ? |
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| 08:40.25 | Patad | hey guys, whats a nice bittorrent client |
| 08:40.31 | jm_ | rtorrent |
| 08:40.34 | Patad | that works well in X |
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| 08:41.02 | Patad | htorrent ey? |
| 08:41.02 | zeeble | Patad: azureus |
| 08:41.09 | deadcat | Patad: i use torrenado, works fine. |
| 08:41.10 | Patad | zeeble, i have that, wont start |
| 08:41.23 | zeeble | Patad: well, install java then |
| 08:41.24 | Patad | deadcat, torrnado wont start either lol |
| 08:41.29 | Patad | zeeble, i have installed java |
| 08:41.33 | OrionBerlin | what is DRM ? |
| 08:41.45 | deadcat | Patad: no way.. waht error? you on woody? |
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| 08:41.56 | Patad | deadcat, yup |
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| 08:42.15 | chealer | !drm |
| 08:42.15 | deadcat | Patad: ah. bittorrent on woody? |
| 08:42.15 | dpkg | it has been said that drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp |
| 08:42.21 | zeeble | deadcat: the package is called torrenado? |
| 08:42.23 | Patad | deadcat, yup |
| 08:42.28 | deadcat | zeeble: ya. |
| 08:42.40 | deadcat | zeeble: maybe i miss-spelled |
| 08:42.48 | Patad | deadcat, btcurses is too slow, and azureus is nice on windows |
| 08:42.49 | jm_ | no, it's bittornado |
| 08:42.56 | zeeble | ah, yeah. that's what i use. |
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| 08:43.02 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 08:43.13 | jetscreamer | azuerus just came into sid the other day |
| 08:43.24 | erirlar | to compile a kernel is there nothing more then "make menuconfig, make dep, make bzImage, make modules, make modules_install" to do? |
| 08:43.25 | deadcat | Patad: ya. its fucking slow, i though its just the same seeders (= |
| 08:43.34 | Patad | deadcat, i know!! |
| 08:43.34 | zeeble | :) |
| 08:43.34 | jetscreamer | erirlar, man make-kpkg |
| 08:43.45 | Patad | deadcat, wanna help me out? |
| 08:43.47 | deadcat | erirlar: try the debian way. much easier. |
| 08:43.48 | jetscreamer | !tell erirlar about kp |
| 08:43.58 | zeeble | did'nt know azureus was in sid :) i'd used the installer from theri page |
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| 08:44.17 | zeeble | sweet, now to rm -rf azureus |
| 08:44.39 | deadcat | Patad: how? i just btcurses --max-upload-rate=3 blah.bt and let it do its work. |
| 08:44.45 | erirlar | jetscreamer: thaks |
| 08:44.57 | Patad | deadcat, u thought u said it was slow? |
| 08:45.07 | deadcat | Patad: ya. i dont know what to do |
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| 08:45.16 | Patad | deadcat, so u use azureus? |
| 08:45.23 | deadcat | Patad: no. bittorenado |
| 08:45.34 | Patad | ah, whats the package called |
| 08:45.35 | jetscreamer | once in windows, i used azureus to start back up a torrent i had like 1/2 of with bittornado, wanted to check it out... lost the whole d/l, it erased it |
| 08:45.39 | solomonn | boa seems to not be able to serve up files larger than about 100kb for me |
| 08:45.47 | Patad | jetscreamer, sif!!! |
| 08:46.01 | Patad | jetscreamer, i use bittorrnado on windows, its ace! |
| 08:46.03 | jm_ | bittornado is OK, except you can't dynamically adjust anything |
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| 08:46.20 | Coke | paster: apt-get install bittorrent |
| 08:46.26 | brosio | how could i disable root login on sshd ? |
| 08:46.34 | Coke | Patad: apt-get install bittorrent |
| 08:46.37 | jetscreamer | Patad, i don't do windows much anymore, but it was azureus that messed up what i had gotten w/bittornado |
| 08:46.38 | deadcat | brosio: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:46.39 | solomonn | speaking of boa, anybody know of a better small httpd? |
| 08:46.40 | Patad | it says i have it |
| 08:46.40 | jm_ | brosio: man sshd_config |
| 08:46.40 | Shadur | azureus kicks huge amounts of ass. Pity it's written in java. |
| 08:46.49 | Coke | Patad: not the best or fastet perhaps. |
| 08:46.49 | Shadur | brosio: there's an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config you can use. |
| 08:47.07 | jm_ | solomonn: webfs, but there was an advisory on bugtraq about it the other day, not sure if it affects Debian |
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| 08:47.12 | Patad | guys, i forgot where azureus lives, i wanna see what the error is lol |
| 08:47.14 | jetscreamer | i did install it when i saw it come in sid, but i still need to get the jre from sun and do that thing to it |
| 08:47.14 | brosio | deadcat, Shadur of course i known to edit this file |
| 08:47.20 | streuner_ | apt, wake up! |
| 08:47.22 | apt | up!: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:47.27 | brosio | but what i must put on it ? |
| 08:47.28 | streuner_ | apt, sif |
| 08:47.33 | deadcat | brosio: then dont ask |
| 08:47.33 | Shadur | brosio: Read the manpage. |
| 08:47.39 | streuner_ | wth is 'sif'? |
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| 08:47.52 | Patad | as if |
| 08:47.54 | Shadur | Or read the file -- debian's default config file has the option commetned. |
| 08:48.00 | ygnome | OrionBerlin: it's under Device drivers, Character devices, Direct Rendering Manager... |
| 08:48.02 | Shadur | commented, even. |
| 08:48.24 | broke | where do I set up with what programs should be associated with what file extensions ? |
| 08:48.32 | brosio | PermitRootLogin |
| 08:48.57 | jetscreamer | god if you're just looking for one kernel setting, edit the .config with an editor with search |
| 08:49.00 | streuner_ | broke: browser? |
| 08:49.01 | OrionBerlin | ygnome, thanks i try it now again |
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| 08:49.26 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner!!!!!!!! |
| 08:49.29 | jetscreamer | sup |
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| 08:49.40 | Patad | whereis Azureus aint working! |
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| 08:50.01 | streuner_ | TinoW: what's pg8? |
| 08:50.28 | TinoW | streuner_: postgresql 8.x |
| 08:50.39 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
| 08:51.02 | streuner_ | TinoW: read ML debian-devel, if necessay ask there |
| 08:51.14 | TinoW | streuner_: ah, yet another ML ;) |
| 08:51.34 | streuner_ | heh, debian-devel its pretty old ;-) |
| 08:52.03 | TinoW | streuner_: already subscribed a bazillion mailinglists ;) |
| 08:52.25 | streuner_ | that's the reason to use groups.google.com |
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| 08:53.47 | streuner_ | Does debian have bittorent? |
| 08:53.54 | streuner_ | for the isos? |
| 08:54.04 | jm_ | yes |
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| 08:56.02 | streuner_ | I downloaded oo yesterday via bittorent yesterday - it was pretty fast... |
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| 08:57.57 | Patad | mine doesnt work |
| 08:58.06 | Patad | azureus is having troubles |
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| 09:03.13 | streuner_ | oh, CeBIT is in Hannover these days... |
| 09:04.09 | OrionBerlin | CeBIT is blöd :P |
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| 09:04.24 | streuner_ | why? |
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| 09:06.52 | huliganz | where can I find OO development version in debs ? |
| 09:07.38 | rixth | Where is the archives for apt-get |
| 09:07.53 | streuner_ | huliganz: development version you could usually find in experimental, but ask in #debian-oo |
| 09:07.56 | rixth | Foudn it |
| 09:08.18 | Patad | hey where is Azureus.. |
| 09:08.27 | huliganz | streuner_ 10x |
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| 09:10.09 | clojster | is here right place to ask how to get USB Card Reader to work under Debian? |
| 09:10.32 | rixth | Whats the command to install debs? |
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| 09:10.55 | broke | how do I install fonts ? |
| 09:11.23 | clojster | rixth: dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 09:11.24 | broke | when I'm running xpdf, it wont show me the text because I do not have som truetype 3 fonts or something ? |
| 09:11.44 | streuner_ | broke: you mean ttf fonts? /msg apt ttf xf4 |
| 09:11.46 | clojster | broke: try to install msttcorefonts |
| 09:12.02 | rixth | clojster, just asked dpkg myself :) |
| 09:12.04 | ttf_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:13.38 | ttf_ | ups :-) |
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| 09:15.15 | traver | helo |
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| 09:17.08 | broke | thanks guys |
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| 09:17.37 | SlayerXP | morning hash-dweebians |
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| 09:20.16 | rixth | Where is the file that tells apt which packages are installed? |
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| 09:21.39 | tarzeau | rixth: just type dpkg -l ? |
| 09:21.57 | clojster | off topic: what is the command to list available channels? |
| 09:22.12 | zeeble | /list |
| 09:22.12 | TinoW | cloaked1: /list |
| 09:22.26 | TinoW | cloaked1: and get a decent line when you try :) |
| 09:22.30 | SlayerXP | clojster: all channels are available. |
| 09:22.40 | zeeble | heh |
| 09:22.54 | clojster | SlayerXP: yep, but those who already exists |
| 09:23.13 | rixth | tarzaeu, I need to tell it that xmail is NOT installed becasue it thinks it i |
| 09:23.17 | rixth | s |
| 09:23.36 | peterrooney | how do you go about controlling the number of child processes spawned by named and lwresd? |
| 09:23.39 | SlayerXP | TinoW: given it's the server that maintains the list, using DCC-style transport is pointless. |
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| 09:23.54 | tarzeau | rixth: how did you manage to do that? |
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| 09:24.16 | tarzeau | zeeble, TinoW and i thought it's !list |
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| 09:24.42 | TinoW | tarzeau: you mean !filez ;-) |
| 09:24.48 | apt- | Hello can someone please help me out with a quick question |
| 09:25.05 | apt- | I just finished upgrading to the new 2.6 kernel is there a command that I have to use to update it now that it's installed...? something like dist update or something like that |
| 09:25.07 | tarzeau | !list |
| 09:25.08 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
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| 09:25.23 | tarzeau | apt-: no |
| 09:25.40 | tarzeau | apt-: maybe edit your boot loader config? grub? |
| 09:25.40 | zeeble | apt-: how did you upgrade to the latest kernel? |
| 09:25.45 | apt- | I just recentley switch from Ubuntu to debian |
| 09:25.57 | apt- | I just ap-got it |
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| 09:26.44 | apt- | I remember in Ubuntu you had to go to the syptic hit reload and download all the updates not sure that the same is true for debian |
| 09:26.58 | zeeble | apt-: well, the apt-get binary get probably modified your bootloader info. you'll need to reboot and choose the new kernel. |
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| 09:27.11 | apt- | I already did |
| 09:27.21 | apt- | everyhing is working great |
| 09:27.33 | zeeble | and you're running the latest kernel, right? |
| 09:27.38 | zeeble | you dont need to reload anything. |
| 09:27.41 | apt- | just need to know the comand to update the files |
| 09:27.59 | zeeble | apt-: nothing needs updating... |
| 09:28.00 | SlayerXP | apt-: touch <filename> |
| 09:28.14 | apt- | ? touch filename? |
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| 09:29.19 | zeeble | apt-: the update in synaptic has nothing to do with the kernel. the update just grabs the latest available file listing, so you can compare which version you have and update your local system |
| 09:29.48 | zeeble | apt- the update in synaptic is equivalent to "apt-get update" in a terminal. |
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| 09:30.01 | apt- | is there a command that wil show the kernel that I'm useing now... just want to make sure im using the right one |
| 09:30.10 | zeeble | apt- uname -r |
| 09:30.18 | apt- | thanks |
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| 09:30.48 | CaT[tm] | i've got the box up and all so I can work on it but I'm hoping there's an easier way then manual |
| 09:30.54 | Patad | hey how do i run azureus again |
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| 09:31.27 | zeeble | Patad: type azureus if you installed it via apt-get. if you used the installer from their site, goto the dir where you installed it, and type ./azureus & |
| 09:32.20 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: do you have a listing of what packages you'd installed to it? |
| 09:33.08 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: yeah. the /var partition was untouched by my stupidity :) |
| 09:33.23 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: like a dpkg --get-selections foo, or dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 09:33.52 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: well, if you have the install packages list, get apt-get to feed off a file and install those :p |
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| 09:34.04 | zeeble | cant think of a quicker way. |
| 09:34.20 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: can I just do apt-get --reinstall install `dpkg --get-selections`? |
| 09:34.43 | zeeble | what is --reinstall? |
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| 09:34.59 | CaT[tm] | hopefully not a figment of my imagination. ;) |
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| 09:35.11 | Lego | hido |
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| 09:35.26 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: try it :D that should work. |
| 09:35.29 | simonrvn | CaT[tm]: no |
| 09:35.38 | Lego | How can I use grep to search for two strings. A or B. |
| 09:35.40 | simonrvn | !reinstall |
| 09:35.40 | CaT[tm] | woo. manpages had better never lie :) |
| 09:35.40 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is grep -B1 installed /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 09:35.47 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: i've never had to use a reinstall option. |
| 09:35.51 | simonrvn | CaT[tm]: ^^^ |
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| 09:36.01 | zeeble | i'll keep that too :) |
| 09:36.24 | CaT[tm] | simon: groovy |
| 09:36.42 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: what'd you do to kill / ? |
| 09:36.44 | Patad | zeeble, i forgot where i put azureus |
| 09:37.01 | zeeble | Patad: blah. get it again then and stick it in your /home or apt-get it |
| 09:37.03 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: in my feeble state of mind I assumed root was mounted ro when I did a fsck... |
| 09:37.10 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: oops |
| 09:37.25 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: rather. luckily I had a backup of / from another box on that pc. |
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| 09:37.48 | schuler | Lego: grep A file | grep B |
| 09:38.13 | Lego | schuler: tried that |
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| 09:38.37 | Lego | tcpdump -x | grep A | grep B |
| 09:39.01 | schuler | Lego: that should have worked |
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| 09:39.29 | OrionBerlin | Mh i got a problem with my Debian, when i play like Tuxracer or any other game, i move automatily to the left side all the time how do i fix it? :S |
| 09:40.28 | Lego | schuler: if I take away | grep B it works .. |
| 09:40.34 | Patad | zeeble, can u guide me thru it, can i pm u? |
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| 09:40.43 | zeeble | Patad: err, no. |
| 09:40.49 | Patad | lol |
| 09:40.55 | zeeble | Patad: i'll just tell you here. |
| 09:41.01 | Patad | ok |
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| 09:41.16 | zeeble | Patad: do apt-cache search azureus do you get anything? |
| 09:41.18 | schuler | Lego: does A and B occur in any line together? |
| 09:41.35 | Patad | no |
| 09:41.48 | zeeble | Patad: ok. type java -version. do you get anything? |
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| 09:42.16 | Lego | schuler: no |
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| 09:42.34 | Lego | I want to scan for either A or B. And if A or B is present, show. |
| 09:42.37 | prock | Lego: grep -E is what you want. man grep |
| 09:42.43 | Patad | zeeble, java version 1.5.0_01 |
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| 09:43.15 | schuler | then you should not be astonished if it's not found by the piped greps |
| 09:43.46 | zeeble | Patad: good. just get the linux gtk version of azureus from azureus's download page. |
| 09:43.59 | zeeble | Patad: decompress the file and read the README or INSTALL. |
| 09:44.23 | Golfgeo | what can I append to the kernel so it can find the root on a nfs share? |
| 09:44.51 | simonrvn | plenty of netboot docs on the web |
| 09:45.09 | schuler | GNU grep does not know -E |
| 09:45.33 | simonrvn | what? |
| 09:45.34 | OrionBerlin | Mh i got a problem with my Debian, when i play like Tuxracer or any other game, i move automatily to the left side all the time how do i fix it? :S |
| 09:45.35 | prock | ? |
| 09:45.42 | prock | schuler: not true |
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| 09:45.54 | simonrvn | alias grep |
| 09:45.54 | simonrvn | grep=egrep |
| 09:45.56 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 09:46.03 | simonrvn | egrep == grep -E |
| 09:46.03 | zeeble | heh |
| 09:46.29 | jm_ | Golfgeo: read NFS-Root HOWTO |
| 09:46.34 | CaT[tm] | whee. 35mins of downloads to go. |
| 09:46.46 | schuler | prock: you were right; but it's not in the man page |
| 09:46.49 | Gumby | could anyone suggest what might fix this error when trying to mount an NFS share. "mount: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 09:46.50 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, help me ^ |
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| 09:47.06 | prock | shuler: again, not true |
| 09:47.19 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: sorry, no clue |
| 09:47.26 | Golfgeo | jm_ hmm, k |
| 09:47.28 | lara | Hello I made a very big mistake I deletet my /var/www with rm -r how could I get it back ? |
| 09:47.38 | Lego | -E, --extended-regexp |
| 09:47.40 | simonrvn | -E, --extendedâ€regexp |
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| 09:47.41 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.48 | CaT[tm] | lara: were you using ext3? |
| 09:47.52 | simonrvn | it isn't? :) |
| 09:47.54 | zeeble | lara: from your backup tapes. |
| 09:48.02 | lara | CaT[tm]: yes |
| 09:48.10 | Golfgeo | jm_ I've been working from the diskless howto, but that isn't to good atm... |
| 09:48.18 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: heh, just your reverse. |
| 09:48.18 | schuler | prock: I looked in the german manpage. -E lacks there |
| 09:48.22 | CaT[tm] | lara: then unless you have backups or all the files in there came from packages you're sol :) |
| 09:48.26 | CaT[tm] | zeeb :) |
| 09:48.44 | CaT[tm] | lara: if the files did come from packages then, well... time to reinstall! |
| 09:48.48 | Lego | I mean -E doesn't help me still |
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| 09:48.53 | CaT[tm] | apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 09:49.01 | lara | CaT[tm]: whats about unrm ? |
| 09:49.02 | zeeble | its the /var/www stuff lara lost. |
| 09:49.03 | CaT[tm] | that command seems awfully familiar |
| 09:49.07 | CaT[tm] | lara: not for ext3 |
| 09:49.08 | prock | Lego: tcpdump | grep -E "A|B" |
| 09:49.08 | schuler | Lego: please specify A and B |
| 09:49.16 | Lego | prock: ah |
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| 09:49.55 | zeeble | i need to do something about my setup. all my stuff is in a /, even /home is under / :/ |
| 09:50.01 | schuler | Lego: do you want both strings in the same line or in possibly different lines |
| 09:50.04 | schuler | ? |
| 09:50.06 | PerfDave | zeeble: That's not necessarily a bad thing. |
| 09:50.07 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: oh fun. |
| 09:50.11 | Lego | Different lines scarynetworkguy |
| 09:50.18 | Lego | schuler even, |
| 09:50.24 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: how much data do you have? |
| 09:50.26 | PerfDave | zeeble: That's how I set up my desktops, because it's just easier. |
| 09:50.31 | Patad | zeeble, why cant i get the apt-get version? |
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| 09:50.50 | schuler | than prog suggested the right thing |
| 09:50.55 | zeeble | PerfDave: yeah, i id done that because it is a laptop, and i transfer stuff from /home/user when i get back home |
| 09:51.10 | CaT[tm] | heh. even my laptop is partitioned. :) |
| 09:51.12 | prock | shuger, thanks :) |
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| 09:51.25 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: i'd want to save my /home ... put that in a diff directory, and reinstall. i could do that when i go home tonight |
| 09:51.42 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: no need to reinstall if you have the room and are cunning :) |
| 09:51.55 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: how much free space is there? |
| 09:51.59 | zeeble | Patad: because you are not using unstable. azureus is apt-get able in unstable. |
| 09:52.02 | prock | cunning enough to mkreiserfs |
| 09:52.07 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: yeah, i could do that too.. |
| 09:52.20 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: it'll be more fun too. :) |
| 09:52.32 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: my /home is 2GB and i have 5G free |
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| 09:52.40 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: oh shit easy then. |
| 09:52.55 | Patad | zeeble, backport |
| 09:53.02 | zeeble | Patad: try. |
| 09:53.22 | zeeble | Patad: it just got into unstable. who created a backport for it? |
| 09:53.35 | Patad | i was just saying there could be a backport |
| 09:53.47 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: how big is the full setup? |
| 09:53.48 | zeeble | Patad: oh. check then. |
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| 09:54.16 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: Used 4.6GB, Free 5.2GB |
| 09:54.21 | zeeble | on the / |
| 09:54.31 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: so it's a 10gb hd? |
| 09:54.37 | prock | how much unpartitioned is the big question |
| 09:54.43 | CaT[tm] | prock: not really :) |
| 09:54.43 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: no. the rest is winFAT |
| 09:54.49 | prock | otherwise 'parted' and pray |
| 09:54.50 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: no hassle. |
| 09:54.57 | Patad | zeeble, no backports |
| 09:55.09 | zeeble | Patad: just grab it from their download page, and read the README |
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| 09:55.47 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: boot in via floppy, use parted to shrink /. make another partition. copy everything, lilo appropriately, reboot into the new partition. nuke old partition. make the partitions you want, reboot for the kernel to reread the partition table, copy data across, relilo, tidy. |
| 09:56.12 | prock | is that all? :) |
| 09:56.17 | zeeble | yup. |
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| 09:56.28 | zeeble | only i'll use a CD instead of floppy. |
| 09:56.38 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: faster :) |
| 09:57.04 | lara | CaT[tm]: What would be the way to return rm on ext2 ? |
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| 09:57.23 | lara | CaT[tm]: How is it called to backup ? |
| 09:57.30 | CaT[tm] | lara: there are utils for that that work if you managed to stop writing to the drive almost immediately. |
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| 09:57.49 | CaT[tm] | lara: ext3 wipes the data these tools require (but on the upside you up reliability through journals). |
| 09:58.18 | CaT[tm] | lara: basically, backups are your friend. if you haven't started yet, now's as good a time as any :) |
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| 09:58.57 | zeeble | hard lesson that, having all data in /var/www gone |
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| 09:59.17 | CaT[tm] | harder lesson: no backups and a PSU blowing away 32GB and a decades worth of data |
| 09:59.32 | SlayerXP | zeeble: look on the brightside, perhaps he just trashed geocities.com |
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| 10:00.14 | zeeble | haha |
| 10:00.26 | zeeble | grr. its 3:30, i need lunch |
| 10:00.28 | CaT[tm] | and the number of times ibm hds have died on me. i'll never buy an ibm/hitachi hd as long as I live. |
| 10:00.58 | lara | CaT[tm]: You mean there is no way to get the data back ???? I just run the rm command now with no more option than -r |
| 10:01.30 | CaT[tm] | lara: -r means remove recursively. (ie go into directories and stuff). but yes. your data is unfortunately gone. |
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| 10:02.00 | Lego | With grep, -A can provide the next #n of lines, what about chars? |
| 10:02.15 | CaT[tm] | lara: actually... if you're /really/ patient and know what to search for you can do strings /dev/<device /var/www is on> | grep <data you know is in those files> >hope |
| 10:02.28 | CaT[tm] | actually |
| 10:02.38 | CaT[tm] | strings /dev/<device /var/www is on> >hope |
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| 10:02.52 | CaT[tm] | then open hope in your favourite text editor and begin the patient job of reconstruction |
| 10:03.09 | atrus | lara / CaT[tm] , midnight commander (package name 'mc') has an undelete function that can work well if you're on an ext2 partition |
| 10:03.19 | CaT[tm] | atrus: ext3 involved |
| 10:03.31 | CaT[tm] | make sure you have enough room in your current directory to store most of what's in the device |
| 10:03.46 | prock | < lara> CaT[tm]: What would be the way to return rm on ext2 ? |
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| 10:03.57 | atrus | ah yes, then that's a problem. |
| 10:04.01 | OrionBerlin | damn shit i hate debian soon, when this damn shit i dont get fixed with my keyboard :@ |
| 10:04.08 | atrus | prock: further up :/ |
| 10:04.16 | CaT[tm] | prock: midnight commander is one |
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| 10:04.43 | lara | how go in on in mc ? |
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| 10:04.57 | SkippedySkop | hey guys, what's a valid cname? i thought www IN CNAME domain.co.uk. would be valid ? |
| 10:05.02 | CaT[tm] | lara: mc wont help on an ext3 filesystem |
| 10:05.03 | bluesmurf | Is there anywhere I can go that could give me the idea of what server requirements I need for certain user / conectcion load using apache and postgresql ? |
| 10:05.19 | CaT[tm] | skip: it is. |
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| 10:05.39 | SkippedySkop | for a cname? |
| 10:05.44 | CaT[tm] | ja |
| 10:05.52 | CaT[tm] | how is it not working? |
| 10:06.06 | clusty | i have a rather awekward problem: when I view the pdf versio of a latex file in gpdf all combinations of "fi" and some integrls look messed up (using acrobat make the writing looks bad). What is the deal with gpdf? |
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| 10:06.45 | SkippedySkop | it is sorry, i meant to say domain.co.uk IN CNAME www.newdomain.co.uk. ? |
| 10:06.46 | atrus | hmm. i can't even find the undelete function in mc anymore |
| 10:07.01 | SkippedySkop | sorry domain.co.uk. IN CNAME www.domain.co.uk. |
| 10:07.11 | CaT[tm] | skip: that acquires problems as a CNAME cannot have NS or MX records for example. |
| 10:07.24 | SkippedySkop | why? |
| 10:07.32 | CaT[tm] | skip: because it's an alias |
| 10:07.36 | SkippedySkop | ahh yes |
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| 10:08.59 | bluesmurf | I need to setup a server for some 300 users and a database with some 30000 records. I chose debian with apache and postgresql. What hardware would I need ? I mean P4 3.0GHz, 1/2GRAM,... or something 'bigger' ? |
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| 10:11.00 | holycow | bluesmurf, i've heard of smaller servers handling 200 000 users |
| 10:11.00 | CaT[tm] | blue: you need 2 servers for best effect. one to run apache and the users on and the other one for your db. I'd recommend athlon64's 1-2gb of ram for the db server (assuming it's gonne be busy), 1-2gb of ram for the users/apache server. use 10k rpm sata drives from the db (cheap yet goodly) and /home and normal sata for system on both drives. use software raid-1 throughout for recovery. |
| 10:11.12 | holycow | depends on what the users are doing on the server |
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| 10:11.20 | CaT[tm] | holy: in the end it all depends on - yeah. busyness :) |
| 10:11.24 | lara | CaT[tm]: The debian book tolds me there are some experimental programs special for ext3 to keep back the data |
| 10:11.26 | holycow | and how effective the software they use is |
| 10:11.29 | CaT[tm] | running a db server on your webserver is asking for insanity. |
| 10:11.37 | bluesmurf | holycow, really ?, ah, maybe I got a bit paranoid then. |
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| 10:12.00 | holycow | CaT[tm], is giving some great advice |
| 10:12.22 | CaT[tm] | lara: never heard of any. sorry. try searching the web maybe. |
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| 10:13.25 | OrionBerlin | Does someone had under debian the problem that you cant play any games becouse debian things you play all the time the left arrow key? |
| 10:13.30 | bluesmurf | CaT[tm], mmm, yeah, that sounds good, thanks. |
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| 10:13.46 | OrionBerlin | you push* |
| 10:14.14 | CaT[tm] | blue: you'll have 2 boxes but the cost of those will be about as much as a single high-end p4 with a scsi setup and should last you for ages. |
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| 10:14.31 | zahod | OrionBerlin, what do you mean? |
| 10:14.38 | Gathond | OrionBerlin: this might just be me, but I dont understand that, your left arrow key is stuck? |
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| 10:14.46 | eric | lara : http://www.stellarinfo.com/linux-data-recovery.htm try this |
| 10:14.47 | kneet | What's sata support like now? Haven't played with it yet |
| 10:14.58 | eric | eric : from google :) |
| 10:15.03 | bonez41 | I need to set a file to be read only ..for root, user and group...what chmod values would I apply? |
| 10:15.07 | eric | lara : easy |
| 10:15.08 | bluesmurf | CaT[tm], yes. Thanks. Never done anything really serious before :) |
| 10:15.09 | eric | :) |
| 10:15.21 | simonrvn | bonez41: info chmod |
| 10:15.33 | CaT[tm] | bluesmurf: no worries. had to recently spec out such a beastie so I'm faimilar with the h/w I'd use for it. :) |
| 10:15.36 | prock | bonez41: man chmod |
| 10:15.39 | OrionBerlin | Gathond, on X and Console is all normal but when i enter a game and start it then the Game think, that i all the time press the left arrow key like in TuxKart and TuxRacer. I only have that problem now in Debian under Fedora Core and Kanotix i didnt had the problem |
| 10:16.05 | bonez41 | simonrvn: I read the info page...it leaves me confused... |
| 10:16.27 | bluesmurf | CaT[tm], I suposse it can get messier if you start considering backup servers, RAID and other stuff... |
| 10:16.28 | simonrvn | keep reading until you aren't ;) |
| 10:16.38 | lara | I mounted a the /var to another var with mount --bind |
| 10:16.41 | bonez41 | encouragement..thanks.. |
| 10:16.49 | lara | ten I deleted the other and the original is also deleted ;( |
| 10:17.05 | lara | eric: I need such one for linux and konsole |
| 10:17.09 | TinoW | transactional filesystems with backlog would be nice :) |
| 10:17.19 | prock | bonez41: whee you can do it! |
| 10:17.23 | prock | go bonez41! =) |
| 10:17.34 | OrionBerlin | Gathond, maybe you know how to solve it |
| 10:17.39 | OrionBerlin | or zahod maybe |
| 10:17.43 | CaT[tm] | blue: yes and no. software raid makes life easy. backups are fairly easy too. you can have a totally nongrunty box with say a few 250gb ide hds in it and a good tape drive. rsync across and shove to tape. backing up the db is a little trickier as you'll need to do a db dump first in order to do a safe backup |
| 10:17.55 | simonrvn | bonez41: ok. octal chmod settings start from a base of 777. read write exec for everyone. then you have a umask, usually set to 022, which means, 777 - 022 = 755 |
| 10:18.35 | Gathond | OrionBerlin: sounds to me like it might be an SDL problem, iirc both the games you mention is SDL |
| 10:18.56 | CaT[tm] | blue: also, the advantage of rsyncing to a 3rd server is that a. your backup load on your primary servers is very short lived so they don't suffer overly long (backing up to tape takes a while) and b. you have last nights backup on immediate standby. no need to go back to tape |
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| 10:19.06 | simonrvn | bonez41: i think you can take it from there, now |
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| 10:19.17 | bonez41 | ok... |
| 10:19.28 | OrionBerlin | Gathond, maybe your think that Debian Sarge only got the problem? |
| 10:19.31 | bonez41 | simonrvn: you are nicer than your AI counterpart..;) |
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| 10:19.58 | CaT[tm] | blue: and being just a backup server you could get away with something completely low-end. |
| 10:20.27 | simonrvn | bonez41: you can *also* use letters. like say: chmod ug+rwx,o-rwx which comes out to owner and group read write and exec, and world no perms |
| 10:20.40 | bluesmurf | CaT[tm], ok, sounds good. |
| 10:20.43 | Gathond | OrionBerlin: it might be the version of SDL in sarge yes, check the BTS |
| 10:20.48 | simonrvn | bonez41: which would be 770 |
| 10:20.54 | OrionBerlin | Gathond, BTS? |
| 10:21.16 | simonrvn | bonez41: getting it now? :) |
| 10:21.31 | bluesmurf | CaT[tm], I think the real reason I wass over estimating is that I wanted to get my hands on a low end Sun server or something like that :) |
| 10:21.37 | Gathond | OrionBerlin: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org |
| 10:21.41 | CaT[tm] | blue: hahaha |
| 10:21.48 | CaT[tm] | blue: yes, well. :) |
| 10:21.54 | simonrvn | bonez41: all umask does is set an edited default, which is wise, since the default is 777 =) |
| 10:22.39 | bonez41 | simonrvn: so If the file perms end up as > -r-xr-xr-x that means all can read , and execute the file, but not write to it? |
| 10:22.57 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:23.14 | simonrvn | !win bonez41 |
| 10:23.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, bonez41! You have won the US presidency! |
| 10:23.23 | bonez41 | simonrvn: chmod uog+r-wx config.php would be even better... |
| 10:23.40 | simonrvn | that won't work |
| 10:23.54 | simonrvn | oh wait, it might |
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| 10:24.19 | simonrvn | it does |
| 10:24.40 | bonez41 | simonrvn: I just tried logging back in..and that seemed to clear the issue...THANKS.. |
| 10:24.45 | bonez41 | I won't forget this |
| 10:24.47 | simonrvn | :) |
| 10:25.10 | simonrvn | sometimes the docs need un-opacifying |
| 10:26.49 | bonez41 | opacifying, eh? your own word? |
| 10:26.59 | bonez41 | the meaning is clear....unlike the word.....;) |
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| 10:27.43 | simonrvn | teehee |
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| 10:30.53 | ircdevil | shorewall problem. i cant ssh to the box running shorewall -> connection refused |
| 10:31.29 | prock | ircdevil: I guess it's working |
| 10:31.34 | OrionBerlin | Gathond, is it LibSDL ? :) |
| 10:31.35 | ircdevil | i do have a /etc/shorewall/rules files: AllowSSH net fw |
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| 10:31.45 | ircdevil | prock: yes, now i want to allow ssh :o) |
| 10:32.46 | Gathond | OrionBerlin: more likely would be some subpart but libSDL-something probably, but it is mostly a hunch/guess |
| 10:33.05 | OrionBerlin | Gathond, mh i would downgrade it but i think it wont work or |
| 10:33.07 | Gathond | OrionBerlin: if you can find a non SDL game and check if this still have the problem that would confirm it |
| 10:33.40 | OrionBerlin | Gathond, i tryed cube some seconds ago, there isn't the problem |
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| 10:34.13 | ircdevil | should fw be defined in zones ? |
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| 10:38.46 | ircdevil | i dont get it. the shorewall configuration looks good. |
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| 10:41.44 | CaT[tm] | and so the great reinstall begins. I'l going to go walk away now so that I don't have to watch *gulp* |
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| 10:43.00 | ciga | hi |
| 10:43.12 | ciga | is that possible to unhide a fat32 partition with lilo? |
| 10:43.38 | zeeble | unhide? |
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| 10:44.32 | ciga | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.52 | zeeble | what do you mean hidden? lilo has nothing to do with FAT32 |
| 10:45.01 | zeeble | what exactly do you want to do? |
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| 10:45.09 | OrionBerlin | he mean i think UNMOUNT |
| 10:45.26 | ciga | I want to boot up with a partition which is hidden at the moment. |
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| 10:45.34 | ciga | OrionBerlin: nope |
| 10:45.48 | zeeble | ciga: what do you mean "hidden" ? |
| 10:45.53 | zeeble | what is a "hidden partition"? |
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| 10:46.06 | OrionBerlin | zeeble, i think ghe mean its not in the Bootloader listed the Windows partition |
| 10:46.45 | ciga | OrionBerlin: haho, I'm here, you can ask question |
| 10:47.10 | ciga | zeeble: it is a dos related thing. |
| 10:47.19 | OrionBerlin | ciga, do you mean it to Boot the Windows System ? So you want to add the Windows System to the bootloader? |
| 10:47.43 | ciga | zeeble: when you have more then x (I think 1) fat32 partition the other must be hidden, or else there will be problem accessing them. |
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| 10:47.49 | zeeble | ciga: do fdisk -l and see if the partition you want is visible |
| 10:48.03 | d0ugie | are sony laptops debian friendly |
| 10:48.08 | ciga | OrionBerlin: no, I can boot up with it, but because it is hidden, it is not accessible by dos. |
| 10:48.14 | zeeble | ciga: no. i can read as many fat32 partitions i want. |
| 10:48.21 | TinoW | d0ugie: "depends" |
| 10:48.22 | ciga | zeeble: from dos? |
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| 10:48.31 | zeeble | ciga: from linux. as root. |
| 10:48.41 | d0ugie | tino: rec me a brand or site pls |
| 10:48.45 | zeeble | d0ugie: http://www.linux-laptop.net check for sony |
| 10:48.49 | ciga | zeeble: :) nice, I can do it, also. but I'm talking about DOS. |
| 10:48.50 | d0ugie | thanks |
| 10:48.55 | ircdevil | anyone care to compare shorewall rules file. i seem to be denying remote ssh access by mistake. i have the following rule: AllowSSH net fw |
| 10:48.55 | OrionBerlin | d0ugie, i wanted to buy a Sony Laptop and i didnt do it becouse i saw the Sony isnt Linux Friendly ;) not all laptops |
| 10:49.06 | zeeble | ciga: no idea. |
| 10:49.14 | sysdef | see partition type 14,16 <zeeble> what is a "hidden partition"? |
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| 10:49.23 | zeeble | sysdef: ok |
| 10:49.33 | ciga | zeeble: I think grub can do it, but I'm not sure with lilo |
| 10:49.59 | sysdef | can lilo change the partitiontype? |
| 10:50.09 | ciga | oh, it is change and activate? |
| 10:50.16 | ciga | http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/linuxdisk/Lilo/linuxdisk03.003.html |
| 10:50.24 | Unknown[1] | Hi. Wonder if anyone can help - I am looking to set up a freeswan VPN between two Sarge boxes. At the moment I am unsure as to how I implement the freeswan code - I can get the client utilities installed without problems, but cannot get the KLIPS support into the kernel - I get an error when I make-kpkg as per http://www.opal.dhs.org/docs/debian/freeswan.oml Could someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 10:53.30 | Coax | what is the name of the "ghost" package that have deps to all the X stuff? |
| 10:53.59 | zeeble | x-window-system |
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| 10:54.57 | sysdef | Unknown[1], maybe the following link will help you. http://wiki.openswan.org/index.php/Debian |
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| 10:55.24 | Coax | digitekovi: it's a security hazard to irc as root! |
| 10:56.08 | TinoW | 7exec rm -rf / |
| 10:56.12 | TinoW | oups ;) |
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| 10:57.02 | kikinovak | Hi. I often install different flavours of Linux (Debian, Slackware, ...) here and there, usually all configured by hand. A "quick and dirty" trick to know horiz sync and vert refresh rates while configuring X is to boot a Knoppix CD and to take a look at the automagic X configuration. Now I wonder if there is some little utility around to scan for just like that. Any suggestions? |
| 10:57.23 | Unknown[1] | sysdef, thanks that's great. Will give it a go. |
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| 10:57.50 | Kaww | www.otomotivshow.com WEBSITE HOSTING RESELLER |
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| 10:57.58 | daft_ | I use cpufreq but cat scaling_cur_freq gives a other number than Ksensors 17800000 agains 1406 what is what? |
| 10:58.04 | TinoW | kikinovak: apt-get install read-edid; get-edid | parse-edid |
| 10:59.06 | kikinovak | TinoW read-edid is the command-line utility? I'm more looking for source code than deb, although I mainly use Debian... but not always. |
| 10:59.26 | TinoW | kikinovak: of course it is - as you see from the application I just gave :) |
| 10:59.41 | kikinovak | TinoW well: thank you very much. |
| 10:59.42 | TinoW | kikinovak: apt-get source read-edid then |
| 10:59.43 | jm_ | knoppix has slightly modified version of read-edid |
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| 11:00.47 | kikinovak | TinoW the reason I ask is I use Debian for servers and old desktops, and Slackware for recent Desktops (no flame intended, sorry)... |
| 11:01.41 | zeeble | kikinovak: who said read-edid was debian specific? |
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| 11:02.25 | kikinovak | zeeble just to be on the safe side. I know some Debian packages have specific names. Anyway, cheers everyone. |
| 11:02.31 | simonrvn | !ops Kaww joined #debian (z@81.213.230.144) spammer |
| 11:02.32 | zeeble | hehe |
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| 11:06.50 | CaT[tm] | blessed be the --reinstall option to apt-get for it appears to be successfully rebuilding my system |
| 11:07.09 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 11:07.42 | simonrvn | blesséd be the source that compiles cleanly |
| 11:07.49 | CaT[tm] | indeed :) |
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| 11:09.11 | sanxiyn | Got my package sponsored, and now at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html (4 minutes ago) |
| 11:09.47 | simonrvn | w00t. which one? |
| 11:09.50 | zeeble | sanxiyn: congrats. |
| 11:09.51 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Last one |
| 11:10.01 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: yup, congrats |
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| 11:11.37 | simonrvn | that's neat |
| 11:11.54 | simonrvn | checked out the bug report (wnpp) |
| 11:12.05 | usn | hi all |
| 11:12.13 | thux | Hi, does anybody know what is Woody's default installation server? Url for installation program page Select Installation Server |
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| 11:12.37 | simonrvn | you don't want woody unless this is a server |
| 11:13.03 | simonrvn | (mission critical, can't have no security updates) |
| 11:13.17 | thux | it is a old pentium box for sshd use |
| 11:13.33 | simonrvn | sarge then, and be happy |
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| 11:13.55 | CaT[tm] | if it's just for ssh (ie a shell server) then you want those security updates :) |
| 11:14.14 | thux | and I only have woody installation floppies |
| 11:14.19 | simonrvn | if it's a shell server yes. but i doubt it. but i'd rathr ask him/her :) |
| 11:14.26 | simonrvn | is it? |
| 11:15.06 | thux | you mean no X? |
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| 11:15.38 | necrite | hi all |
| 11:15.40 | sanxiyn | thux: You have other accounts on the machine? |
| 11:15.45 | simonrvn | no, a shell server, as in people can log in, and run a mutt or irssi session or something |
| 11:16.09 | thux | ok, no it is just for one user |
| 11:16.19 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: And have gazillions of screen session :-) |
| 11:16.27 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: yah hehe |
| 11:16.32 | necrite | anyone here can recomend me one dedicated server company (debian) |
| 11:16.54 | sanxiyn | (Nobody wants to reboot our shell server, because of screen sessions... no one knows which is alive and which is zombie.) |
| 11:17.13 | simonrvn | ugh. that must hurt |
| 11:17.14 | CaT[tm] | there's one way to find out. rebooot and see who screams. |
| 11:17.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:17.33 | sanxiyn | CaT[tm]: Exactly. Who will do that? :-) |
| 11:17.44 | CaT[tm] | san: gimmie the passwd and I'll do it :) |
| 11:17.54 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: what, get screamed at? ;) |
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| 11:19.51 | Reech | Anyone know the apt-get for JRE? |
| 11:20.10 | Shadur | There isn't one. |
| 11:20.32 | Shadur | apt-get install java-package, download the JRE self-installing package and follow the java-package instructions. |
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| 11:21.39 | ircdevil | how do i allow ssh to this machine protected by shorewall ? |
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| 11:22.47 | simonrvn | has the new maintainer guide been updated for the newer build scripts and such? like cdbs, and replacement for debmake, etc? |
| 11:24.21 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Not yet. |
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| 11:25.03 | simonrvn | ok |
| 11:25.12 | sanxiyn | For Python packagings, I do all my jobs in setup.py and use python-distutils.mk. I am better at Python than Shell... |
| 11:25.46 | simonrvn | i'm just starting to touch upon python |
| 11:28.31 | sanxiyn | FreeBSD has much better Python packages, I must admit. :( |
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| 11:29.09 | zeeble | sanxiyn: hehe |
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| 11:29.27 | aidehua | I stopped using homebrew kernels and went back to the sarge 2.6.8-2 kernel, and now the contents of /proc/asound/cards is "--- no soundcards ---", despite having run alsaconf. |
| 11:29.40 | sanxiyn | zeeble: No wonder. Maintainer of FreeBSD Python port is Python committer himself... |
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| 11:29.52 | zeeble | sanxiyn: yup :) |
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| 11:29.56 | j_k | aidehua: load the snd-* module for your sound card |
| 11:30.36 | j_k | aidehua: have a look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound (iirc) |
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| 11:31.22 | sanxiyn | And my page is not counting Zope packages... |
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| 11:32.26 | zeeble | been some time since i tinkered around with zope/plone |
| 11:32.29 | aidehua | j_k: I just double-checked, and it (snd-cs46xx) was loaded. |
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| 11:32.49 | jeff_ | is there anyway other than netstat -anp that I can figure out what program is listenning on a given port. Netstat returns a '-' for the port (everything else shows up properly and I am running as root when I do that check) |
| 11:32.55 | simonrvn | still not bad, 2nd place |
| 11:33.07 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: Well, Gentoo is close. |
| 11:33.14 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 11:33.49 | adminjimuk | Hi all - I asked about half an hour ago about freeswan and sysdef kindly pointed me to openswan as a more suitable daemon. I have since apt-get remove'd the freeswan binaries and source, but the openswan will not apt-get install claiming it is not available but is referred to by another package. Should I have to alter my sources.list to fetch openswan? |
| 11:34.10 | CaT[tm] | damn. --reinstall doesn't do it perfectly |
| 11:35.01 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: By the way, Ubuntu has some of Debian's "in-progress" (normally link to RFP/ITP in BTS) in the table. |
| 11:35.05 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: what'd it do? |
| 11:35.23 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: some packages don't repopulate /etc properly :/ |
| 11:37.16 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 11:37.19 | zeeble | CaT[tm]: oops |
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| 11:37.38 | CaT[tm] | zeeb: yeah. squid wont install its init.d file for example. |
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| 11:40.12 | CaT[tm] | squid suggests that i install... winbind smbclient |
| 11:40.36 | zeeble | smbclient? |
| 11:40.48 | jeff_ | I can't get squid to start on my system as squid says the socket is already in use. Checking netstat -ap shows port 3128 as listening, but doesn't show any process as being listening on that port. How can i get squid to start? |
| 11:41.15 | CereS | anyone knows where i can find the logcheck regex for the courier-pop package under woody? I just don't know where to find it.. |
| 11:42.07 | SlayerXP | jeff: /etc/init.d/squid restart |
| 11:42.27 | jeff_ | that isn't working. It is saying the socket is in use |
| 11:42.39 | jeff_ | but netstat -ap won't give me a pid of the process using it |
| 11:42.44 | SlayerXP | jeff: ps auxw | grep squid |
| 11:42.53 | aidehua | Should I be worried that I've got snd, snd-cs46xx and some other snd-* modules loaded, but /proc/asound/cards still says "no cards"? |
| 11:42.58 | jeff_ | nothing (aside from the grep line) |
| 11:43.03 | simonrvn | netstat -pluant :) |
| 11:43.06 | CaT[tm] | try using lsof |
| 11:43.14 | SlayerXP | jeff: grep for proxy |
| 11:43.21 | simonrvn | lsof -n -i :port_num |
| 11:43.25 | jeff_ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3128 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 11:43.33 | simonrvn | it's there |
| 11:43.39 | ircdevil | can i have a peak at somebodys /etc/shorewall/rules file to see how ssh is supposed to be set in order to allow external connections? |
| 11:44.06 | jeff_ | lsof doesn't return anything on 3128 and netstat won't give me a PID |
| 11:44.15 | simonrvn | ircdevil: some people rave about firehol... never tried it |
| 11:44.18 | j_k | aidehua: probably the module doesn't find you card. Check the dmesg output for any related message. Try 'modinfo snd-cs46xx' and try to re-load the module with some parameters if you think anything could be needed. |
| 11:44.26 | simonrvn | killall squid *grin* |
| 11:44.27 | SlayerXP | jeff_: reboot |
| 11:45.01 | ircdevil | simonrvn: this shorewall is very nice - alas the debian setup is different from the documented one, giving some trouble ... |
| 11:45.08 | jeff_ | SlayerXP: I was afraid of that. I've been having some problems with this machine recently ranging from kernel panics to random app crashes like this |
| 11:45.10 | simonrvn | i see |
| 11:45.18 | simonrvn | jeff_: eek |
| 11:45.44 | aidehua | j_k: top tips -- I am re-enthused :) |
| 11:46.02 | ircdevil | simonrvn: e.g. i really dont understand what configuration files are doing in /usr/share/doc ... |
| 11:46.15 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 11:46.30 | simonrvn | conf files in /usr/share/doc? |
| 11:46.34 | CaT[tm] | hurrah for --force-all |
| 11:46.53 | ircdevil | simonrvn: shorewall.conf actually reads /usr/share/doc/shorewall/rules |
| 11:47.14 | simonrvn | not in /usr/share/shorewall? |
| 11:47.53 | jeff_ | SlayerXP + simonrvn: Thanks for the help...guess I'm going to reboot. :( |
| 11:47.53 | simonrvn | or /var/lib/ or /etc/shorewall, or somewhere sane? :) |
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| 11:48.15 | simonrvn | good luck finding the problem |
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| 11:48.48 | ircdevil | simonrvn: oh, my mistake :o) |
| 11:49.52 | CaT[tm] | ok. there's two steps to doing this right it seems |
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| 11:50.29 | CaT[tm] | apt-get -d --reinstall install `dpkg --getselections | cut -f 1` |
| 11:50.41 | CaT[tm] | cd /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 11:50.52 | CaT[tm] | for i in *; do dpkg --install -B --force-all $i; done |
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| 11:51.11 | blo | hi everyone |
| 11:51.17 | CaT[tm] | oh. but firce apt-get clean :) |
| 11:51.31 | CaT[tm] | it's nowe installing all the missing files |
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| 11:51.55 | blo | about the Debian stock kernels: do they support joysticks ? or do i need to roll my own kernel ? |
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| 11:52.26 | aidehua | Aha! I appear to have both "snd-cs46xx" and "cs46xx" loaded. This is probably not helpful :) |
| 11:54.53 | aidehua | Hooray! Problem solved. It appears that having both an OSS and ALSA kernel module for my soundcard loaded at the sametime meant that ALSA Wouldn't Work(TM). |
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| 11:56.11 | blo | how can i check if joystick support is compiled into the stock kernel ? |
| 11:56.30 | ukh | http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En |
| 11:57.03 | nevyn | blo: it's compiled as a module. |
| 11:57.04 | Coke | blo: if the module is there it's there. drivers like that are most likely in module form. |
| 11:57.18 | petemc | blo: the config for debian kernels is in /boot/config-kernel-version |
| 11:58.55 | blo | hmmm seems that everything is there, but it doesn't work with my nForce2 onboard gameport.. can't use either /dev/js? or /dev/input/js?, not even as root |
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| 12:02.28 | blo | when i run "jstest /dev/js[0-3]" or "jstest /dev/input/js[0-3]", the answer is "jstest: No such device". |
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| 12:03.28 | ircdevil | is ssh udp or tcp protocol ? |
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| 12:05.11 | Kvant | ircdevil, tcp |
| 12:05.19 | flamenca | Holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 12:05.51 | ircdevil | Kvant: hmmm, log sas: Shorewall:net2fw:AllowSSH:IN=eth1 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:04:00:6f:81:da:08:00 SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=76 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=254 ID=51297 PROTO=UDP SPT=123 DPT=123 LEN=56 |
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| 12:06.14 | ircdevil | where does that UDP come from |
| 12:06.15 | petemc | ircdevil: look sliek ntp |
| 12:06.19 | jm_ | that's NTP |
| 12:06.19 | flamenca | Holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 12:06.34 | simonrvn | it's matching on an NTP rule ;) |
| 12:06.37 | flamenca | AY ALGUIEN |
| 12:06.39 | simonrvn | flamenca: shut up |
| 12:06.39 | blo | shorewall -> yeah. good choice |
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| 12:07.44 | flamenca | aBLAIS EN ESPAÑOL |
| 12:07.49 | simonrvn | !spanish |
| 12:07.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:09.17 | toni_j | hola a todos |
| 12:09.23 | flamenca | Me voy adesconectar si no ablas en español |
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| 12:09.28 | toni_j | español¡¡ |
| 12:09.36 | toni_j | soi spañol |
| 12:09.44 | toni_j | tal y cual |
| 12:09.50 | toni_j | hola flamenca |
| 12:09.53 | flamenca | Nada toni soy de sevilla y tu |
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| 12:10.02 | toni_j | yo de murcia |
| 12:10.04 | simonrvn | !spanish |
| 12:10.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 12:10.09 | toni_j | aunk naci en sevilla |
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| 12:10.12 | flamenca | COMO ERES |
| 12:10.28 | toni_j | 1.85, ojos marrones 85 kg |
| 12:10.33 | toni_j | nose, q + |
| 12:10.35 | simonrvn | !ops spanish trolls, flamenca and toni_j |
| 12:10.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: spanish trolls, flamenca and toni_j |
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| 12:10.53 | helix | sigh |
| 12:10.57 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 12:11.27 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 12:11.45 | Garp | Question: What should "nm" returns on a stripped shared lib ? It returned "no symbols found" to me, but shouldnt still be some public symbols in a sharded lib ? |
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| 12:11.54 | Garp | Thanks. |
| 12:13.07 | simonrvn | Garp: try nm -B -D /path/to/foo.so.X.X |
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| 12:13.27 | simonrvn | spat out a crapload of stuff ;) |
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| 12:14.28 | Garp | simonrvn: thanks. |
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| 12:14.35 | fpaul | yep |
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| 12:14.42 | fpaul | hello guys |
| 12:14.57 | fpaul | Could somebody help me with creating debian cd packages ? |
| 12:15.13 | Garp | simonrvn: you're right, it does work :) |
| 12:15.19 | Garp | thanks again |
| 12:15.23 | simonrvn | np |
| 12:15.23 | ircdevil | i dont get it. i really dont understand why i cant SSH to this box and what the heck NTP has to do with that |
| 12:15.34 | simonrvn | a little experimentation never hurts |
| 12:15.48 | fpaul | how can i personalize debian cds ? |
| 12:15.54 | ricky_clarkson | Write your name on them. |
| 12:15.59 | fpaul | juste want to do a cd with my packages on it |
| 12:16.05 | coroner | ahahahah |
| 12:16.11 | fpaul | lool |
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| 12:16.33 | ircdevil | heh |
| 12:16.38 | fpaul | and using it with sources.list |
| 12:16.46 | Coke | fpaul: jigdo |
| 12:16.58 | solemn03 | hi all |
| 12:17.08 | fpaul | Coke, i've downloaded iso cds with it |
| 12:17.10 | Coke | fpaul: or, I don't really understand your question, but if you use Jigdo you can select what packages you want on your CD's. |
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| 12:17.21 | solemn03 | im trying to set quotas up but i keep getting this error: |
| 12:17.27 | fpaul | Coke, owwww... oki... will have a look at it. |
| 12:17.32 | solemn03 | Failed to turn on quotas : quotaon: using //aquota.user on /dev/hda2 [/]: No such process quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel. |
| 12:17.41 | solemn03 | what should i do to fix this? |
| 12:17.50 | Coke | solemn03: what do you think? |
| 12:17.57 | Coke | solemn03: "Quota format not supported in kernel" |
| 12:17.59 | ricky_clarkson | Ask in #debian? |
| 12:18.07 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 12:18.11 | Coke | solemn03: hint: make the kernel support it. |
| 12:18.15 | solemn03 | how? |
| 12:18.27 | BR_ | so I go back to my orig question, anyone knowledgable about routing, trying to get machines at the end of 3 PtP links to be able to talk to machines on the other PtP lines (ala machine2 <--if1--> machine1 <--if2--> machine3). I can't make machine1 do what I want, I do not want to NAT the packets, I want to route them. any ideas? |
| 12:18.28 | Coke | solemn03: try tldp.org |
| 12:18.32 | solemn03 | ive never comiled a kernal before |
| 12:18.34 | simonrvn | eithe modprobe quota or rebuild |
| 12:18.41 | Coke | solemn03: they have a massive collection of kernel hacking howto's. |
| 12:18.43 | simonrvn | "compiled" |
| 12:18.54 | ircdevil | BR_: read the ipmasq howto ? |
| 12:18.58 | Coke | solemn03: are you running a debian kernel? |
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| 12:19.06 | BR_ | ircdevil: I do not want to masq/NAT |
| 12:19.08 | solemn03 | why is quoats disabled in the debian kernal?? |
| 12:19.16 | Coke | solemn03: it's not disabled, it just not loaded. |
| 12:19.20 | blo | ircdevil: ssh is tcp 22, maybe something wrong with sshd config ? |
| 12:19.20 | solemn03 | ?? |
| 12:19.22 | BR_ | ircdevil: I want to route the packets. |
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| 12:19.40 | ircdevil | blo no. if i disable the firewall, ssh works fine. |
| 12:19.59 | ircdevil | BR_: well, the correct kernel setup etc is explained in the howto |
| 12:20.05 | Coke | solemn03: how the heck should the kernel maintainers know what drivers everybody wants? they can't so you have to tell it. |
| 12:20.26 | blo | ircdevil: hmmm :) allowing/routing tcp 22 should make it then... |
| 12:20.43 | solemn03 | well whats the point in disabling quotas? |
| 12:21.05 | fpaul | BR_, modify route table and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:21.07 | Coke | solemn03: I don't use quotas, why should I have that driver consuming memory and wasting cycles? |
| 12:21.22 | ircdevil | blo: shorewall setup is fubar, but i cant find the place of trouble |
| 12:21.27 | simonrvn | because most people using desktops don't need them, and people needing quotas will know how to rebuild a kernel *hinthint* |
| 12:21.41 | Coke | solemn03: and it isn't disabled, it just isn't loaded |
| 12:21.42 | solemn03 | how much memory would it take? |
| 12:21.46 | Coke | solemn03: more than I want to spend |
| 12:21.49 | solemn03 | so how do i load it? |
| 12:21.52 | Coke | even one bit is too much since I don't use it |
| 12:21.55 | solemn03 | a meg maybe? |
| 12:21.59 | Coke | irrelevant |
| 12:22.01 | BR_ | fpaul: doesn't seem to be working for me, the middle machine can talk correctly down both links, but data in from machine 2 to machine1 is not routed back over the if2. |
| 12:22.09 | Coke | I don't use quotas therefore I don't want it in my system. |
| 12:22.09 | solemn03 | u on a 486 or somthing??? |
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| 12:22.23 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 12:22.32 | blo | ircdevil: i cant remember the shorewall stuff right now, using a hardware router meanwhile. maybe there's a shorewall channel ? shorewall is sooo easy to configure (as i remember), cant be a big deal. |
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| 12:22.42 | Coke | No. But if I wanted to run a bloated system that has drivers for crap I don't use I might as well use Red Hat or Windows. |
| 12:22.42 | fpaul | BR_ : have you done the echo 1 to ip_forward ? it often comes from that |
| 12:22.45 | evilroot | hoi, can anyone pls tell me where i can download sarge minimum boot cd? |
| 12:22.48 | BR_ | fpaul: yes. |
| 12:23.06 | fpaul | BR_ : have you modified route table of the machines 2 and 3 ? |
| 12:23.18 | CaT[tm] | AHA! FINALLY! |
| 12:23.19 | solemn03 | so how do i make quotas load? |
| 12:23.30 | ircdevil | blo: #shorewall is empty but chanserv. and yes the conf looks easy enug, however, the setup is debianized in the debs and the docs dont quite follow |
| 12:23.34 | simonrvn | (07.18.34) simonrvn ) eithe modprobe quota or rebuild |
| 12:23.47 | simonrvn | currently (07.23.35) localtime |
| 12:23.55 | fpaul | BR_ : you have to define route for machines 2 to 3 otherwise, there is no correct route to bring packets... |
| 12:23.56 | Coke | solemn03: modprobe quota |
| 12:24.02 | solemn03 | k |
| 12:24.11 | evilroot | sry i mean netinstall cd |
| 12:24.13 | solemn03 | does that have to run every boot? |
| 12:24.14 | OrionBerlin | can someone tell me, how to i change the size of the FONT ? like in XMMS i cant read anything becouse its top small :( |
| 12:24.15 | CaT[tm] | all i had to do to debian is manually edit the status file and lie to it that nothing was installed |
| 12:24.22 | Coke | solemn03: or echo "quota" >> /etc/modules |
| 12:24.25 | blo | ircdevil: sorry got no more info 4 u :( |
| 12:24.26 | fpaul | BR_ : from machine2, if you ping machines3, what does it tell ? |
| 12:24.28 | solemn03 | k |
| 12:24.30 | Coke | solemn03: that will get it to load every boot |
| 12:24.32 | simonrvn | solemn03: echo quota >> /etc/modules |
| 12:24.49 | Coke | simonrvn: yes, I saw your quota load way back |
| 12:24.52 | BR_ | fpaul: the packet gets to the middle machine, but is then not forwarded !H. |
| 12:25.00 | simonrvn | Coke: i know you did :) |
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| 12:25.02 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, you know it for sure, how i change the font size in XMMS its on almot every program so, its so damn small like 4 pixel |
| 12:25.12 | solemn03 | modprobe: Can't locate module quota |
| 12:25.13 | Coke | simonrvn: sometimes they can't see the forest because the trees are in the way |
| 12:25.16 | solemn03 | ?? |
| 12:25.17 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: what res. is your monitor? |
| 12:25.28 | Coke | solemn03: uname -a |
| 12:25.28 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, 17" |
| 12:25.28 | fpaul | BR_ : can you give me ifconfig and route of each machine in private ? |
| 12:25.35 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, 1024x768 |
| 12:25.57 | simonrvn | Coke: yeh. or lotsa text. true 'nough |
| 12:25.58 | solemn03 | Linux balthasar 2.4.27-1-386 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:26.08 | solemn03 | thats real useful <_< |
| 12:26.20 | blo | anyone using a joystick on ASUS-A7N8X-Deluxe ? need help.. |
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| 12:26.40 | Coke | simonrvn: I was actualy thinking in the line of "they are not paying attention because they have some sort of mental incapacity", but ok. :) |
| 12:26.46 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch, and set the font there. (run switch for gtk1.2 apps, like xmms) |
| 12:26.52 | simonrvn | Coke: hehe |
| 12:27.12 | Coke | What the heck is balthasar |
| 12:27.20 | Coke | solemn03: what debian version are you using? |
| 12:27.26 | solemn03 | 3.1 i think |
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| 12:28.25 | Coke | solemn03: stable, testing or unstable? |
| 12:28.25 | solemn03 | no idea |
| 12:28.25 | jm_ | balthasar is a cartoon ;) |
| 12:28.25 | solemn03 | i just got a net-install disk |
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| 12:28.25 | Coke | hm. 3.1. Isn't that old old. |
| 12:28.25 | blo | 4.0 :) |
| 12:28.25 | Coke | no, 3.0 is woody. |
| 12:28.26 | Coke | would that make 3.1 sarge? |
| 12:28.26 | simonrvn | Coke: i'm guessing hostname |
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| 12:28.26 | blo | 4.0 is secret :) |
| 12:28.27 | simonrvn | yeh, hostname |
| 12:28.28 | solemn03 | sarge? |
| 12:28.35 | simonrvn | 4.0 doesn't exist |
| 12:28.43 | evilroot | 3.1 is sarge |
| 12:28.43 | blo | okok |
| 12:29.00 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, i downloaded and ti changed but its still damn small |
| 12:29.07 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, the font size is to small |
| 12:29.10 | simonrvn | so up it |
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| 12:29.23 | Coke | simonrvn: do you remember if you downloaded stable, testing or unstable? |
| 12:29.28 | Coke | ho. |
| 12:29.29 | Coke | oh. |
| 12:29.36 | Coke | simonrvn: not you... damn it. |
| 12:29.37 | TinoW | Coke: flaky! ;) |
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| 12:29.44 | Coke | TinoW: freudian slip |
| 12:30.00 | ricky_clarkson | I only swear when it slips out. |
| 12:30.02 | Coke | solemn03: ok. do you recall ever upgrading or installing a kernel-image package? |
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| 12:30.08 | solemn03 | no |
| 12:30.13 | blo | OrionBrelin: do you mean the font used e.g. with gmplayer ? |
| 12:30.16 | nullvoid | after I upgraded my box my alsa not working, when I alsaconf I am able to select the soundcard, it success installing, but still I can't get my gnome-volume-manager to adjust the volume, I think my oss is causing it, please help |
| 12:30.18 | solemn03 | i dont even know what 1 is |
| 12:31.08 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, and how i tryed it using gtk-thene-switch but there i can only change the font ;) |
| 12:31.08 | duranain | i'm trying to setup identd as a standalone, the tut i'm following told me to put this line in /etc/init.d/identd: IDENTDOPTS="-l -e -m -u nobody -g nobody -q -o UNKNOWN " but the file isn't there |
| 12:31.08 | Coke | solemn03: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 and then tab two times to see a list of possible kernel images. |
| 12:31.08 | duranain | and i'm unsure what else goes in the file |
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| 12:31.08 | Coke | solemn03: oh, before you do that, do . /etc/bash_completion |
| 12:31.09 | Coke | solemn03: and you have to be root |
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| 12:31.23 | solemn03 | tab twice does nothing |
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| 12:31.52 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: You don't have to be root for that tab completion. |
| 12:32.05 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: no, for kernel image install |
| 12:32.09 | simonrvn | another one get the k (-line) |
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| 12:32.24 | simonrvn | gets |
| 12:32.34 | Coke | solemn03: you have to . /etc/bash_completion first |
| 12:32.36 | ricky_clarkson | The IRC version of biting the dust, hmm? |
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| 12:32.41 | simonrvn | yup |
| 12:32.49 | Coke | solemn03: then you apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 12:33.10 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, is there a other way to change the font size in X? |
| 12:33.13 | solemn03 | should i install 2.6 then? |
| 12:34.29 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: several. depends what you're using |
| 12:34.29 | simonrvn | solemn03: why would that fix it? |
| 12:34.30 | ricky_clarkson | OrionBerlin: Dependent on the program you're using. |
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| 12:34.30 | solemn03 | dunno |
| 12:34.30 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, its on Xmms, amule and all |
| 12:34.30 | Coke | solemn03: yes, install the latest 2.6 kernel. I'm not sure what kind of kernel you are using, if it's the old sarge crap kernel before the time where you could select which one to use. |
| 12:34.30 | solemn03 | does 2.4 have quotas? |
| 12:34.30 | blo | OrionBerlin: you mean running gnome apps on KDE ? |
| 12:34.30 | takisd | any tips on applying debian kernel patches to a vanilla kernel from kernel.org?? (ie. how do i do it) |
| 12:34.30 | ricky_clarkson | OrionBerlin: xmms preferences->fonts |
| 12:34.30 | OrionBerlin | blo, im not using KDE using Gnome |
| 12:34.31 | solemn03 | upgrading to nice new kernel |
| 12:34.31 | Coke | solemn03: I think so. If you are afraid to use 2.6 go with 2.4 |
| 12:34.31 | simonrvn | OrionBerlin: are you using some desktop thingy, like xfce4, gnome, or kde, or windowmaker? |
| 12:34.40 | OrionBerlin | simonrvn, gnome |
| 12:34.42 | ricky_clarkson | OrionBerlin: amule is unknown to me. |
| 12:34.51 | solemn03 | most of my boxes are 2.6 cos im used to fedora |
| 12:34.55 | simonrvn | solemn03: of course. quotas have been around longer than you've been alive most likely |
| 12:35.02 | solemn03 | why does deb have the old kernel? |
| 12:35.05 | blo | OrionBerlin: sorry, i had a similar problem... forget it :) |
| 12:35.08 | OrionBerlin | ricky_clarkson, Overnet/Edonkey = aMule |
| 12:36.10 | simonrvn | solemn03: because debian is sane |
| 12:36.10 | solemn03 | i was born the same year linux was coded |
| 12:36.10 | solemn03 | sane? |
| 12:36.10 | blindboygrunt | simonrvn: lol |
| 12:36.10 | solemn03 | SANE TO USE OLD STUFF?? |
| 12:36.10 | ricky_clarkson | !whatever OrionBerlin |
| 12:36.10 | solemn03 | did linux 0.0.1 have quotas? |
| 12:36.11 | solemn03 | :P |
| 12:36.11 | solemn03 | feb 1992 |
| 12:36.11 | solemn03 | lol |
| 12:36.11 | OrionBerlin | ricky_clarkson, :p dont work hehe |
| 12:36.14 | ricky_clarkson | lolololol wanker tosser hehe lol |
| 12:36.21 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Quotas predate Linux. |
| 12:36.37 | solemn03 | but did 0.0.1 include quotas?? |
| 12:36.40 | simonrvn | solemn03: i can spout whatever to whatever crap you spout. so stfu about "oh no, 2.4 is so old LOL LMAO FUXUR!!11" |
| 12:36.41 | ricky_clarkson | Who cares? |
| 12:36.50 | Coke | solemn03: debian sarge does not have an old kernel. the old installer that you used has a default installation kernel which it uses. These days the installation kernel and the kernel you install are not the same. |
| 12:36.58 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: I'm particularly good at !!11 lines. |
| 12:37.08 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: ;) |
| 12:37.12 | solemn03 | netsplit!! |
| 12:37.13 | solemn03 | lol |
| 12:37.21 | J_P | hello, i am installing debian linux in one Compact Flash... in lilo.conf exist lba32(for large disks. I need change this for other paramenter for run in Compact Flash 256mb ? |
| 12:37.24 | solemn03 | 220 |
| 12:37.25 | ricky_clarkson | The next person to say lol is a wanker. lol |
| 12:37.27 | blo | still noone using a fruststick on ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe ? hmmm... too sad.. |
| 12:37.27 | ricky_clarkson | Damn!" |
| 12:37.51 | simonrvn | !lose ricky_clarkson |
| 12:37.52 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: You Lose. |
| 12:37.58 | solemn03 | the list of netslplit users for people on kornbluth must be huge ^_^; |
| 12:38.15 | simonrvn | Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mirak, ackron, baffle, dondek, Geert # for this chan |
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| 12:38.34 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: He means for users of kornbluth, the perceived netsplit must be large. |
| 12:38.46 | simonrvn | oh yeh, of course |
| 12:38.49 | solemn03 | lol |
| 12:38.50 | Coke | solemn03: have you installed the kernel already? |
| 12:38.54 | solemn03 | im doing it |
| 12:38.57 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: /msg dpkg lol |
| 12:39.09 | solemn03 | E: Package kernel-image-2.6 has no installation candidate |
| 12:39.13 | solemn03 | :? |
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| 12:39.17 | Coke | solemn03: I told you TAB two times |
| 12:39.21 | solemn03 | i did |
| 12:39.27 | simonrvn | ... |
| 12:39.27 | solemn03 | nothing happend |
| 12:39.28 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6<tab><tab> |
| 12:39.30 | Coke | solemn03: there is NO package named just 2.6 |
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| 12:39.36 | solemn03 | I DID TAB TAB |
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| 12:39.40 | Coke | solemn03: did you source /etc/bash_completino before this? |
| 12:39.42 | solemn03 | nothing happend |
| 12:39.43 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: source /etc/bash_completion; apt-get install kernel-image-2.6<tab><tab> |
| 12:39.44 | simonrvn | !info kernel-image-2.6 |
| 12:39.52 | OrionBerlin | solemn03, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 12:39.58 | simonrvn | dpkg ) Package 'kernel-image-2.6' does not exist. |
| 12:40.05 | Coke | solemn03: did you source /etc/bash_completino before this? |
| 12:40.10 | solemn03 | installing... |
| 12:40.20 | solemn03 | yeah i ran /etc/bash_completino |
| 12:40.23 | Coke | solemn03: AH, so you just ignored what I said? |
| 12:40.25 | simonrvn | tion |
| 12:40.32 | TinoW | comple-tino? ;) |
| 12:40.38 | solemn03 | lol |
| 12:40.39 | brosio | anyone have try http://www.linuxant.com/company/ ? it use window driver on linux for wireless cards |
| 12:40.42 | ricky_clarkson | completino? It's not some bloody Latin American dance band! |
| 12:40.43 | simonrvn | i don't think tino is gonna like that ;P |
| 12:40.57 | Coke | yeah, this retarded keyboard I have at work does that a lot to me. some minor complicationo |
| 12:41.02 | petemc | brosio: ndiswrapper does same and is no cost |
| 12:41.03 | TinoW | this must be my alter ego ;) |
| 12:41.17 | little | hi, i got an new motherboard, with via cle266 graphic-chipset, when i try to install debian woody from cd, i type "bf24" or not, and then it boots some lines, and then the screen is biased, and it stops to boot, what could that be? |
| 12:41.23 | Coke | solemn03: so, is it installing now? |
| 12:41.23 | brosio | sure ? |
| 12:41.27 | solemn03 | yeah |
| 12:41.28 | ricky_clarkson | Today I am mostly listening to reggaeton. |
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| 12:41.38 | simonrvn | s/s// |
| 12:41.38 | solemn03 | it needed th -2-686 at the end |
| 12:41.48 | Coke | little: I can help you, but first you have to help me. |
| 12:41.57 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: keep saying that enough times and you'll believe it :P |
| 12:42.01 | little | Coke :ok, when i can, wazz up |
| 12:42.05 | OrionBerlin | little, why use woody its old, use sarge |
| 12:42.07 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: A bit early in the day to ask for sexual favours. |
| 12:42.22 | Coke | little: I have a VCR, I turn it on, but the video isn't showing on my TV, what's wrong? |
| 12:42.24 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: I forgot I'd already said it. ;) |
| 12:42.28 | little | OrionBerlin :sorry, i need woody, because of some patches |
| 12:42.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 12:42.39 | little | Coke :put on tv :) |
| 12:42.47 | ricky_clarkson | Repetition through stupidity. Haha. |
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| 12:42.49 | little | Coke:wrong channel? |
| 12:42.54 | solemn03 | kernel installed |
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| 12:42.57 | Coke | little: please continue guessing |
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| 12:43.01 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. Repetition through stupidity. Did I already say that? |
| 12:43.04 | simonrvn | :help tv |
| 12:43.05 | lara | how could I find out If Debian sarge or sid is installed ? |
| 12:43.07 | Coke | little: you want us to guess, so I want you to guess a little first |
| 12:43.08 | little | Coke :vcr is your pc? |
| 12:43.08 | solemn03 | modprobe: Can't locate module quota |
| 12:43.09 | solemn03 | ???????? |
| 12:43.12 | OrionBerlin | little, ah ok, did you try it with an net install cd ? |
| 12:43.29 | TinoW | lara: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:43.36 | j_d2 | Can somebody help me get usb working under debian sarge? When i plug in my usb hdd nothing happens, no entry in var/log/messages, i have both usb-storage and sd_mod loaded |
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| 12:43.48 | Coke | solemn03: great, before you reboot, find out what hw nic you have |
| 12:43.48 | little | Coke :what do i want you to guess, read my question, i cannot say more, than that it doesnt boot, after typing "bf24" at startup, what else can i do at start? |
| 12:43.48 | lara | TinoW: 3.1 is sarge ?! |
| 12:43.51 | TinoW | j_d2: hotplug too? |
| 12:43.54 | simonrvn | lara: grep -E "(sid|sarge|testing|unstable)" /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:44.07 | valdyn_ | lara: /etc/debian_version is identical in sarge and sid |
| 12:44.11 | little | Coke :what else should i tell you? |
| 12:44.20 | Coke | solemn03: lspci | grep Ether |
| 12:44.20 | solemn03 | huh? |
| 12:44.23 | eric | little : try at boot linux noprobe |
| 12:45.17 | j_d2 | TinoW: nope let me see, how do i load that? |
| 12:45.17 | solemn03 | 0000:00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 90) |
| 12:45.17 | solemn03 | why? |
| 12:45.17 | TinoW | j_d2: apt-get install hotplug |
| 12:45.17 | little | eric: ok, i will try |
| 12:45.17 | Coke | little: I don't know. How about more hw specs, maybe some versions of the things you downloaded, etc. |
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| 12:45.28 | Coke | solemn03: because you'll need to load it manually with modprobe after the reboot |
| 12:45.35 | j_d2 | TinoW: hotplugs seems to be installed already, do i need ot manualy activate it somehow? |
| 12:45.38 | little | Coke : i have woody cd1, nothing more downloaded |
| 12:45.48 | eric | little : or something like bf24 noprobe ... |
| 12:45.59 | TinoW | j_d2: you can force it with /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 12:46.01 | eric | little : just list the boot option :) |
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| 12:46.13 | TinoW | j_d2: in case it fells asleep :) |
| 12:46.14 | Coke | solemn03: or you probably need to do it. |
| 12:46.19 | solemn03 | huh? |
| 12:46.23 | solemn03 | im confused now |
| 12:46.40 | Coke | solemn03: you're upgrading the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6, there might be driver name changes. |
| 12:46.51 | j_d2 | TinoW: it just says usb success |
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| 12:46.55 | j_d2 | when restarting the sub systems |
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| 12:47.08 | TinoW | j_d2: media plugged in? Then cat /proc/partitions |
| 12:47.11 | simonrvn | hit harder :P |
| 12:47.18 | solemn03 | k |
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| 12:47.31 | simonrvn | i was kidding |
| 12:47.36 | solemn03 | too l8 |
| 12:47.40 | Coke | solemn03: you need to load the driver for your network card and since it might have been a name change or the fact that the nic driver was compiled into the kernel in your previous kernel, take precaution by noting the nic hw so you know what module to load. |
| 12:48.13 | Coke | solemn03: when you feel ready, just reboot and the new kernel should be loaded. |
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| 12:48.27 | j_d2 | TinoW: yep its plugged in, cat /proc/partitions only seems to show my scsi controller drives, atleast it lists entries form the same target and bus |
| 12:48.35 | j_d2 | Can my scsi controller somehow be blocking the usb drive? |
| 12:48.35 | Coke | solemn03: if it doesn't appear in the list |
| 12:48.47 | j_d2 | its my understanding my usb drive should be availeble as /dev/sdx? |
| 12:48.57 | TinoW | j_d2: uhm. usb-storage usually emulates SCSI too, but you should have 2nd bus then |
| 12:49.09 | TinoW | j_d2: yes, correct |
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| 12:49.32 | j_d2 | after doing the hotplug restart, i get some info about my usb system in the log file |
| 12:49.45 | j_d2 | but i dont see any entry like drive deteched thing |
| 12:49.52 | MattF | Having trouble mounting a FreeBSD disk... |
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| 12:50.15 | MattF | I can detect the partition with fdisk -l |
| 12:50.21 | brosio | anyone that have a sta hd (sda) works on smartmontools ? |
| 12:50.22 | MattF | :/ |
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| 12:50.41 | TinoW | MattF: you loded ufs - filesystemsupport and bsd disklabel? |
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| 12:51.01 | saablover | can the host where the debian installer is running on be accessed via ssh ? |
| 12:51.06 | j_d2 | maybe i should just buy a firewire controller |
| 12:51.10 | MattF | TimoW, no.. |
| 12:51.48 | MattF | is that a package or what? |
| 12:52.17 | TinoW | MattF: kernel modules |
| 12:52.30 | petemc | saablover: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerNetworkConsole |
| 12:52.39 | TinoW | saablover: it can be set up like this |
| 12:52.46 | simonrvn | i like the ssh install. really neat |
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| 12:53.00 | simonrvn | great for headless boxen |
| 12:53.02 | TinoW | .oO(saab, the most ugly car? ;) |
| 12:53.10 | petemc | some saabs are nice |
| 12:53.17 | petemc | altho nice is relative |
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| 12:53.25 | TinoW | petemc: which model? Technically perhaps ;) |
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| 12:53.39 | solemn03 | hi all |
| 12:53.45 | petemc | TinoW: not sure, the convertibles |
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| 12:54.01 | paolo | Hi guys! Do all webcam work in testing? |
| 12:54.06 | solemn03 | 2.6 fixed whatever was stopping quotas from starting :D |
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| 12:54.13 | pureone | hello all |
| 12:54.17 | TinoW | paolo: no. But quite a lot |
| 12:54.19 | Skaag | Happy women's day for all you debian females out there |
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| 12:54.22 | simonrvn | um, lack of support maybe? ... |
| 12:54.24 | petemc | paolo: web cams need kernel support, there are a lot more supported since 2.6.9 |
| 12:54.26 | jm_ | 2.6 fixed the user? what a great feature |
| 12:54.29 | simonrvn | Skaag: yay |
| 12:54.37 | Skaag | ;-) |
| 12:54.42 | jm_ | isn't that tomorrow? |
| 12:54.49 | simonrvn | Skaag: not here yet. still the 7th. here it's the 8th |
| 12:54.51 | paolo | petemc: where could I find a list of supported webcam? |
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| 12:54.59 | MattF | !tell matt about dpkg |
| 12:55.01 | solemn03 | i need quotas cos i run hosting and mail |
| 12:55.02 | petemc | paolo: dunno, google |
| 12:55.14 | saablover | TinoW: I just need to transfer some files to the target via scp |
| 12:55.24 | petemc | paolo: video4linux would be a good search term |
| 12:55.24 | Coke | solemn03: have you booted with your new kernel? |
| 12:55.24 | simonrvn | http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En |
| 12:55.30 | solemn03 | yeah |
| 12:55.34 | Skaag | simonrvn: and here I went and bought little gifts today... |
| 12:55.38 | TinoW | saablover: you can even use ssh as entry in sources.list |
| 12:55.39 | solemn03 | i did reboot so yeah |
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| 12:56.11 | TinoW | solemn03: yes, death to the european council |
| 12:56.23 | nevyn | TinoW: I'm all for that. |
| 12:57.21 | TinoW | companies should sue them for every penny they loose in silly patent law suits |
| 12:57.32 | ricky_clarkson | !loose |
| 12:57.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
| 12:57.36 | ircdevil | can someone tell me what the meaning of /etc/shorewall/rfc1918 is ? |
| 12:57.42 | TinoW | ah lose. |
| 12:57.52 | simonrvn | ircdevil: RFC 1918 |
| 12:57.53 | Skaag | they are not stupid, the european council members must be in on something... usually related to large amounts of money. |
| 12:57.53 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: sorry, I'm no native speaker |
| 12:58.06 | Coke | solemn03: uname -a |
| 12:58.15 | TinoW | Skaag: of course |
| 12:58.21 | simonrvn | Skaag: usually the case when they do something against the will of the people they "govern" |
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| 12:58.36 | MattF | What's the command to list possible kernel modules? |
| 12:58.46 | simonrvn | modinfo -l |
| 12:58.47 | pureone | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1918.html |
| 12:58.50 | MattF | thanks |
| 12:58.50 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Skaag: Is this about software patents? |
| 12:58.52 | ircdevil | simonrvn: when i try to connect to this box with ssh, shorewall drops the connection with a log message that something in that file was violated |
| 12:58.55 | simonrvn | pipe through a pager ;) |
| 12:58.59 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 12:59.18 | Coke | simonrvn: that shows the license for a particular module |
| 12:59.28 | simonrvn | ircdevil: then allow ssh conns. to the ip range relevant to your LAN |
| 12:59.35 | simonrvn | Coke: try it |
| 12:59.37 | MattF | So, you say install modules ufs filesystem support |
| 12:59.41 | MattF | how does one go about that? |
| 12:59.47 | simonrvn | Coke: oh, you,re right, it's modprobe -l :) |
| 13:00.02 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: I thought the European Union members prevented it from being forced through. |
| 13:00.07 | ricky_clarkson | .. without a vote |
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| 13:00.16 | TinoW | MattF: usually: modprobe ufs |
| 13:00.22 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En |
| 13:00.22 | Coke | solemn03: did you fall asleep? uname -a |
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| 13:00.35 | ircdevil | simonrvn: i did, but there seem to be a problem with the time the connection gets evaluated. so ssh connection violates rfc1918 before anything else |
| 13:00.36 | MattF | And what about bsd disklabel? |
| 13:00.41 | MattF | I can't find that anywhere :'( |
| 13:00.48 | Coke | simonrvn: are you going to debconf 5? |
| 13:00.55 | simonrvn | no |
| 13:01.35 | simonrvn | too poor to travel anywhere far |
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| 13:01.57 | TinoW | MattF: I'm not sure if you have modules for bsd partitions or if this is always compiled into the kernel |
| 13:02.12 | Coke | simonrvn: ah well, luckily for me it's a neighbouring country |
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| 13:03.54 | marras | hi, i just installed sarge, and my keyboard isn-t runningas it should, I would like to know how to change the keymap... |
| 13:03.56 | MattF | TimoW, what I'm trying to do is copy my home partition from Debian into my FreeBSD home partition, I'm using knoppix |
| 13:04.07 | MattF | but I should be able to boot into either FreeBSD or Knoppix too |
| 13:04.17 | MattF | *Debian |
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| 13:04.31 | MattF | I'll try again in FreeBSD I think |
| 13:04.57 | elirips | hello. i'm trying to umount a partition, but only get a 'device is busy'. how can i check what process is accessing the partition? |
| 13:05.28 | j_d2 | TinoW: shouldnt lspci, always list my usb controller if its on the motherboard? |
| 13:06.32 | ricky_clarkson | elirips: lsof, fuser |
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| 13:10.55 | simonrvn | marras: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 13:11.41 | solemn03 | i need to re-install mysql-server and get rid of all config and db's during re-install |
| 13:11.45 | solemn03 | how can i do this? |
| 13:12.05 | solemn03 | i dont lose data during re-install |
| 13:12.05 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get remove --purge mysql-server |
| 13:12.06 | pureone | apt-get --purege remove mysql ? |
| 13:12.10 | ricky_clarkson | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 13:12.11 | solemn03 | k |
| 13:12.22 | pureone | --purge* |
| 13:12.23 | marras | simonrvn> is there any way to do it without a console, because I dont know where are some chars... |
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| 13:13.31 | Bigup | ahhhhhhhh : http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En Software patents bad news ..... |
| 13:13.36 | j_d2 | How do i update my kernel on woody to 2.4.29? |
| 13:13.41 | j_d2 | can i use apt-get to do it? |
| 13:13.45 | jm_ | no |
| 13:13.56 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.29-something |
| 13:13.57 | simonrvn | marras: um, if it's set to dialog, it should be running on console. you can always ssh to the box if you need to. otherwise guess where they are |
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| 13:14.03 | jm_ | at least not using official repositories |
| 13:14.12 | ricky_clarkson | j_d2: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.29-something is the only way, if it's possible. |
| 13:14.17 | marras | ok I will try it |
| 13:14.22 | marras | thanks!!! |
| 13:14.26 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: misdirected. |
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| 13:15.24 | ali7288 | j_d2: ac search kernel-image |
| 13:15.40 | solemn03 | ive made amysql user but i cant login with it?? |
| 13:15.58 | jm_ | no, you haven't |
| 13:16.04 | solemn03 | i have |
| 13:16.14 | jm_ | why are you asking us if you have then? |
| 13:16.17 | solemn03 | do i have to restart mysql after user add or somthing? |
| 13:16.31 | adaran | where can i find information about which patches have been applied to the kernel image i installed? the description says nothing |
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| 13:17.13 | j_d2 | hmmm |
| 13:17.19 | j_d2 | there isnt any 2.4.29 debian kernel image? |
| 13:17.21 | j_d2 | odd |
| 13:17.31 | j_d2 | atleast not fomr the standard official repositories my apt is looking at |
| 13:18.09 | jm_ | adaran: /usr/share/doc/foo |
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| 13:18.38 | ali7288 | j_d2: why do you need 2.4.29 in particular? |
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| 13:19.04 | CaT[tm] | bah. jsut grab the tarball and roll it out yourself |
| 13:19.11 | adaran | jm_, ty |
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| 13:28.55 | erirlar | whats the diferance of xorg og xfree? |
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| 13:29.25 | greycat | !xorg |
| 13:29.25 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 13:29.37 | ricky_clarkson | erirlar: Git. I was hoping for a screenful of join and quit messages. |
| 13:29.54 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: shrink the window down a bit, and pageup... |
| 13:30.00 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: YAY! |
| 13:30.00 | Active2 | ;) |
| 13:30.15 | j_d2 | TinoW: lol i feel bad, the error was usb was disabled in the bios :/ |
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| 13:39.52 | TheAsp | Are there any known issues with 2.6.10 with ntpd? Since switching to it, ntp isn't keeping my clock synched. ntpdate still works and ntpdc -s shows that it's synched to some servers, but the offset keeps increasing |
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| 13:42.08 | erirlar | TheAsp: i think you can just put the clock to the original time again in bios and its fixed |
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| 13:44.10 | OrionBerlin | Does someone tellme how to change the fontsize for gtk1.2 programs? |
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| 13:45.09 | jm_ | !+gtk font size |
| 13:45.10 | dpkg | If gtk1 fonts are fucked and switch won't fix them, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like from xfontsel. |
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| 13:46.14 | ricky_clarkson | OrionBerlin: XMMS has its own preferences->fonts as I told you earlier. |
| 13:46.37 | OrionBerlin | ricky_clarkson, i know but its on aMule too, so its becouse of GTK1.2 |
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| 13:47.00 | jm_ | yeah, XMMS uses its own font for things like playlist, changing it in GTK will onyl affect menus |
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| 13:47.19 | OrionBerlin | jm_, yes and that i need! |
| 13:47.30 | ricky_clarkson | gtkconfig isn't it? |
| 13:47.45 | jm_ | OrionBerlin: see above |
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| 13:47.47 | OrionBerlin | can you maybe tell me a bit more how to change it i dont understand what really to do with this from dpkg bot |
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| 13:49.07 | ricky_clarkson | fatal_: Weren't you one of the XMMS developers? |
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| 13:49.17 | fatal_ | no... but he has the same nickname. :) |
| 13:49.18 | OrionBerlin | fatal_, i used beep some seconds ago, but i dont like it rly :P |
| 13:49.37 | ricky_clarkson | beep seems a bit unpolished. |
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| 13:49.47 | gilles | I don't why but now when i try to open a php file which is on my localhost with my browser, instead of executing it, it tries to download it saying that it's a bin file. Do some know how to solve this problem ? |
| 13:49.50 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: no wonder, if it's using gtk |
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| 13:50.19 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: It's using gtk2. |
| 13:50.25 | Phated | Go go mp3blaster. |
| 13:50.34 | fatal_ | well ... "fatal" isn't really a developer AFAIK... just the xmms.org webmaster and dirtywork person... |
| 13:50.36 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: yes |
| 13:50.44 | caphuso | which is gtk, isn't it? |
| 13:50.58 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: gtk is usually used to refer to gtk1. |
| 13:51.09 | helmi | Hi, what is the best way to sync my debian box with a Siemens S65 handy? |
| 13:51.18 | ricky_clarkson | gtk2 is a complete rewrite. |
| 13:51.34 | caphuso | i refer to gtk1 as, uhm, gtk1 |
| 13:51.42 | helmi | I am using debian testing. |
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| 13:52.21 | OrionBerlin | jm_, i got an error while do it :( |
| 13:52.24 | caphuso | we're not using "linux" to refer to "linux 1.0.0" either, are we? |
| 13:53.15 | sebas_ | a question... when i create a file why debian use the permission rw, r, r? |
| 13:53.19 | Ferret | takatumi: take a look at cplay -- it's nice. |
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| 13:53.25 | helmi | Does anyone know the answer to my question? I want to sync via bluetooth. |
| 13:53.44 | fatal_ | sebas_: new files permissions is calculated from the "umask"... |
| 13:53.50 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: We use Speed to refer to Speed 1, but Speed 2 to refer to Speed 2. |
| 13:53.58 | helmi | sebas: that's because of the standard permissions defined with "umask". |
| 13:54.11 | ricky_clarkson | As in "Speed was ok, but Speed 2 sucked harder than a hard sucking thing" |
| 13:54.27 | Ferret | takatumi: It's like a generic terminal playlist program that can sit on top of command line programs (of your choice, if you do some simple editing of the perl script; by default it supports mpg123, mpg321, ogg123, madplay, etc.) |
| 13:54.29 | OrionBerlin | ricky_clarkson, OrionBln:/usr/share# cp /etc/gtk/gtkrc /home/orion/.gtkrc OrionBerlin cp: Aufruf von stat für ,,/etc/gtk/gtkrc" nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 13:54.31 | sebas_ | fatal_: it is posible to change it? |
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| 13:54.38 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: that's because both "speed" and "speed 2" are literal names where the version number is part of it |
| 13:54.43 | fatal_ | sebas_: yes, use the umask command. |
| 13:55.01 | sebas_ | fatal_: thanks |
| 13:55.01 | ricky_clarkson | OrionBerlin: #debian.de |
| 13:55.19 | ricky_clarkson | OrionBerlin: Ich bin Englisch. |
| 13:55.47 | OrionBerlin | ricky_clarkson, :P k i was all the time ni #debian-de and though why so less peoples are online there |
| 13:56.01 | ricky_clarkson | Probably because a lot of Germans speak good English. |
| 13:56.13 | helmi | Has anyone used debian with bluetooth to sync a handy? |
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| 13:56.38 | Kaww | www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 13:56.49 | ricky_clarkson | helmi: apt-cache search bluetooth |
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| 13:57.15 | mastertet | hello, I want to install microsoft fonts on my debian sarge, but msttcorefonts is no more available in apt-get, how should I proceed? |
| 13:57.59 | simonrvn | add contrib and non-free |
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| 13:58.06 | helmi | Thanks, ricky_clarkson. |
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| 13:58.26 | solemn03 | iv installed php but apache still cant run php file |
| 13:58.27 | solemn03 | s |
| 13:58.31 | mastertet | thanks simonrvn |
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| 13:58.46 | caphuso | solemn03: /usr/share/doc/php4*/README.Debian* |
| 13:59.49 | caphuso | solemn03: you're welcome to send patches |
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| 14:00.02 | solemn03 | huh? |
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| 14:00.22 | simonrvn | "huh?" |
| 14:00.23 | caphuso | thought so |
| 14:00.34 | ricky_clarkson | huh?? |
| 14:00.41 | solemn03 | wtf u on about? |
| 14:00.43 | greycat | !huh |
| 14:00.43 | dpkg | !find test |
| 14:00.44 | Delph | wtfwtfwtf? ansa my question. |
| 14:00.45 | duranain | i think i've been deprived of irc too long...i tried to make a program to spit out random bash quotes into bitchx... |
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| 14:02.19 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: no no no no no no no no idea. |
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| 14:03.04 | solemn03 | when will debian actually configure apache and php by itself? |
| 14:03.22 | greycat | as soon as you type "apt-get install apache php4" |
| 14:03.34 | solemn03 | oh |
| 14:03.39 | ricky_clarkson | When it develops the ability to read your mind, probably. |
| 14:03.53 | duranain | mmm, neural interface |
| 14:03.54 | xxenon | how do I enable CUPS to be usable from remote machines ? |
| 14:03.57 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: I expect sarge won't be released until mindreading is part of all software. |
| 14:04.09 | solemn03 | will perl, python ect be installed as well? |
| 14:04.20 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Perl is already installed. |
| 14:04.29 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: python will be installed if you install python. |
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| 14:04.31 | solemn03 | and done by apache? |
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| 14:05.05 | ricky_clarkson | Dunno, I've never used python on a web server. |
| 14:05.11 | ricky_clarkson | Try it and see. |
| 14:05.39 | solemn03 | no wonder so many linux servers run redhat and fedora |
| 14:06.13 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: No wonder there are so many 404s and "script errors". |
| 14:06.18 | solemn03 | <_< |
| 14:06.24 | jm_ | xxenon: read the docs |
| 14:06.25 | greycat | no wonder there are so many stupid questions in here |
| 14:06.32 | solemn03 | thats the webdevs fault moron |
| 14:06.35 | duranain | budget cuts |
| 14:06.47 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Maybe redhat and fedora are enabling stupid webdevs. |
| 14:06.58 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Nobody here is forcing you to use Debian. |
| 14:07.00 | solemn03 | WTF ARE U TALKING ABOUT?? |
| 14:07.05 | caphuso | solemn03: funny, that's exactly my argument why you can't get apache+php working |
| 14:07.07 | greycat | solemn03: you're acting like an ass. |
| 14:07.07 | duranain | ricky_clarkson: isn't that an option in the fedora kernel? |
| 14:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: wtf are you shouting about? |
| 14:07.15 | solemn03 | since when does a server hire webdevs? |
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| 14:07.22 | greycat | solemn03: enable != hire |
| 14:07.22 | duranain | OPTION_ENABLE_STUPID_WEBDEV |
| 14:07.29 | solemn03 | <_< |
| 14:07.29 | caphuso | solemn03: now stop whining before people will get seriously pissed off |
| 14:07.50 | greycat | duranain: YM CONFIG_EXTRA+STUPIDITY |
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| 14:07.58 | Delph | solemn03: disable by default = safe; installable if you actually tell it to install. What's the problem? |
| 14:07.59 | greycat | dammit, _ not + |
| 14:08.09 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Some programs require manual configuration, and document this in their documents (/usr/share/doc/package/). Is this unacceptable? |
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| 14:08.32 | solemn03 | for 13 year olds who have been running linux for about a year, yes |
| 14:08.39 | greycat | huh? |
| 14:08.47 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: I could read when I was 13. |
| 14:08.52 | solemn03 | <_< |
| 14:08.53 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd solemn03 |
| 14:08.54 | dpkg | A book you might like to study, solemn03: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 14:08.55 | duranain | time to brush up on them console skills |
| 14:09.02 | solemn03 | the docs make no sense to me |
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| 14:09.05 | greycat | solemn03: you're either an idiot, or a troll. I'm leaning toward the latter. |
| 14:09.07 | solemn03 | <_< |
| 14:09.14 | ricky_clarkson | I'm leaning towards both. |
| 14:09.18 | Plastic | Where can I find a list of what modules are in the stock Debian kernel? |
| 14:09.24 | greycat | Plastic: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:09.35 | duranain | i'm leaning towards troll and idiot being synonymous |
| 14:09.36 | PerfDave | solemn03: Exactly what problem are you having with installing PHP on your system? |
| 14:09.41 | ricky_clarkson | !<_< |
| 14:09.44 | takatumi | Ferret: was afk, did try out cplay a while back, what you said sounds interesting, will try it again. |
| 14:09.58 | ricky_clarkson | !<_< is the sign of the 13-year-old troll who can't read docs. |
| 14:09.58 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 14:10.00 | jim | Plastic: infact that is also the config file you can use to compile an identical kernel, or a later one |
| 14:10.01 | oKtosiTe | Hello, I remember in some distro seeing "Last failed login: " on console logins. I've never seen it in Debian. Is there any way to have this shown? |
| 14:10.27 | Plastic | Is that on the installation CD? |
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| 14:10.49 | jim | Plastic: have you installed yet? |
| 14:10.52 | Plastic | nope |
| 14:11.14 | jim | ok, what drivers do you need in order to install? |
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| 14:11.51 | Plastic | I'm just trying to find the best distro for me, so I want to see what is included by default |
| 14:12.05 | simonrvn | we're getting leakage from yesterday... |
| 14:12.05 | jim | that won't tell you |
| 14:12.26 | bob2 | blah |
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| 14:12.33 | greycat | Plastic: sarge's kernels are fuckin' huge. they have modules coming out their nostrils. |
| 14:12.46 | simonrvn | just their nostrils? :) |
| 14:12.50 | greycat | Plastic: whatever you want it to do, it'll do, as long as *Linux itself* does it. |
| 14:12.52 | duranain | and most of them are dodgy at best |
| 14:12.52 | Segers_J | simonrvn: c'mon you know you loved windowsGURU |
| 14:13.03 | jim | Plastic: there is a document somewhere called the Distribution-HOWTO that would contain short blurbs on each dist |
| 14:13.06 | simonrvn | !lart Segers_J 10 000 times |
| 14:13.09 | Plastic | What I need is a 2.4 kernel with gcc 3.3.x and devfs |
| 14:13.12 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 14:13.21 | ricky_clarkson | !tnx1e6 |
| 14:13.22 | greycat | no, you do not need devfs. |
| 14:13.31 | Noid | why would anyone *need* devfs? |
| 14:13.32 | Plastic | yes I do, actually |
| 14:13.38 | jim | why do you need it? |
| 14:13.40 | greycat | Plastic: then you're fucked come July. |
| 14:13.44 | simonrvn | mknod too hard? |
| 14:13.45 | Plastic | I need it for certain software I use |
| 14:13.46 | greycat | because it goes away. |
| 14:13.49 | oKtosiTe | Plastic, GNU/Linux isn't some limited proprietary crap, especially not Debian :-) |
| 14:14.13 | jim | Plastic: other than that, what are your needs? |
| 14:14.15 | ricky_clarkson | Why's it going away? Deemed to be a mistake? |
| 14:14.22 | Plastic | That's it, really |
| 14:14.25 | Noid | Plastic: you use software that *forces* you to use devfs? devious. |
| 14:14.30 | pureone | http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:EbFuyvquiFAJ:members.tripod.com/~jewishjokes/if-israel-microsoft.htm+knetwork+error&hl=en |
| 14:14.34 | simonrvn | deemed to be unsupported crap finally getting removed |
| 14:15.19 | Plastic | I tried Fedora 3, but it was too new (2.6 kernel with gcc 3.4) and Slackware (no devfs), and I'm really new to reconfiguring Linux kernels, so I'd rather have one where all I need is there from the beginning |
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| 14:15.31 | jim | why 3.4 bad? |
| 14:15.43 | simonrvn | 3.4 bad? |
| 14:15.46 | greycat | WHAT is this horrid monstrosity of yours that forces you to use devfs? Just so we can laugh at it. |
| 14:15.47 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 14:15.49 | Plastic | Because it won't compile the software I use |
| 14:15.55 | Noid | Plastic: out of sheer curiosity... what is that software you use? |
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| 14:16.04 | jim | Plastic: ahh... you could build gcc you know :) |
| 14:16.08 | simonrvn | lemme guess, crappy code that 3.4 complains about |
| 14:16.13 | Plastic | yup |
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| 14:16.33 | jim | but that is true no matter what dist |
| 14:16.43 | simonrvn | exactly |
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| 14:16.57 | jim | as long as you have gcc and make, you can build whatever version of gcc you want... |
| 14:16.58 | greycat | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01072.html |
| 14:17.02 | MorphDK | hey.. How do I delete all files before a given date? |
| 14:17.12 | simonrvn | sid defaults to 3.3 if you have that instaled, else 3.4 is there. 2.95 is *still* available even |
| 14:17.13 | jim | first you get a list of those file |
| 14:17.15 | PerfDave | MorphDK: With "find", probably |
| 14:17.17 | simonrvn | +l |
| 14:17.19 | greycat | dpkg, no, devfs is obsolete and will be removed from the upstream Linux kernel shortly. See <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01072.html>. |
| 14:17.19 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 14:17.22 | jim | then you delete the files in that list |
| 14:17.24 | Plastic | It's a driver for a scanner prototype I'm testing |
| 14:17.34 | simonrvn | greycat: good news |
| 14:17.37 | ricky_clarkson | MorphDK: With great care too. |
| 14:17.59 | greycat | Plastic: if you're *testing* a *driver* *prototype*, you'd better be able to build a freakin' kernel. |
| 14:18.14 | MorphDK | can somebody please show me the complete command? |
| 14:18.35 | Shadur | MorphDK: No. |
| 14:18.36 | Noid | MorphDK: yeah, for a small fee |
| 14:18.38 | jim | which command is the complete command? |
| 14:18.47 | Noid | jim: man complete d-: |
| 14:18.48 | MorphDK | ricky_clarkson, all files are in the same folder.. a lot of spam mails.. now I got so many, that sa-learn is unable to run.. |
| 14:18.56 | Shadur | jim: The Complete Command To Life, The Universe, And Everything! |
| 14:19.05 | stew | MorphDK: unable to run? why? |
| 14:19.10 | Shadur | MorphDK: type 'man find' and read. |
| 14:19.12 | MorphDK | Too many arguments |
| 14:19.20 | stew | MorphDK: man xargs, then |
| 14:19.20 | greycat | MorphDK: man touch; find . \! -newer myfileIjusttouched .... |
| 14:19.21 | ricky_clarkson | MorphDK: man xargs |
| 14:19.22 | Shadur | stew: If I had to guess, I'd say argument list too long |
| 14:19.25 | stew | yeah |
| 14:19.43 | jim | Plastic: ok, so you have to build things (yes?) and have certian compilers... |
| 14:19.51 | Noid | MorphDK: huh? you want us to do your job for free and you "slap" me? |
| 14:19.52 | MorphDK | Shadur, i already told him :P |
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| 14:20.25 | stew | MorphDK: find . -type f | xargs sa-learn |
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| 14:22.15 | schuler | find . -type f \( \! -newer "$REFFILE" \) -exec rm '{}' \; |
| 14:22.30 | schuler | man touch |
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| 14:22.57 | ricky_clarkson | find . -type f -atime $numofdaysold -exec rm {} \; |
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| 14:23.17 | bob2 | be really really careful with any find command that calls rm |
| 14:23.39 | simonrvn | yeh. use "echo rm" first |
| 14:23.46 | schuler | test it first with echo instead of rm |
| 14:24.12 | ricky_clarkson | No, rm -i |
| 14:24.17 | jim | or that |
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| 14:24.25 | simonrvn | that works |
| 14:24.25 | oKtosiTe | On login, I see how many local mails are waiting for me, but I can't find the command that does this in /etc/motd or /etc/profile. How does this happen? |
| 14:24.37 | simonrvn | /etc/pam.d/login |
| 14:24.53 | simonrvn | pam_mail.so IIRC |
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| 14:25.18 | blo | what is the most 'proper' way to add custom boot commands ? I need additional modprobe commands executed at bootup, but i'd like to keep all standard config files as they are, if possible. |
| 14:25.26 | greycat | blo: echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 14:25.28 | jm_ | blo: man modules |
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| 14:25.40 | jim | blo: run modconf |
| 14:25.43 | greycat | or even echo modulename arg1 arg2 arg3 >> /etc/modules |
| 14:25.52 | blo | greycat: i need to add, then remove, then add again a module (yes this is required, for my joystick to work) |
| 14:25.57 | oKtosiTe | simonrvn, hmm |
| 14:26.00 | humbolt | question concerning top: there ist us,sz,ni, id, wa hi, si. What exectly does wa mean? |
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| 14:26.09 | greycat | blo: read /etc/init.d/README |
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| 14:26.16 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:26.16 | blo | i do |
| 14:26.25 | greycat | humbolt: it's not in the man page? |
| 14:26.27 | humbolt | It is extremly high on my machine |
| 14:26.27 | valdyn_ | humbolt: waiting i think ( For io ) |
| 14:26.29 | jim | blo: then the driver isn't doing the right stuff to initialize the driver |
| 14:26.29 | humbolt | no |
| 14:26.37 | humbolt | did not find in man |
| 14:26.40 | greycat | humbolt: then file a bug report. |
| 14:26.48 | humbolt | waiting for what? |
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| 14:27.13 | SlayerXP | !ops QfgHWMi is a spamming retard |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: QfgHWMi is a spamming retard |
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| 14:27.23 | elirips | hello people. is it dangerous to umount all partitions on a harddisk, then power it off, and a at a later time power it on again and mount the staff again (without rebooting the computer)? filesystem is ext3, am i risking damage to my data with that? |
| 14:27.23 | blo | jim: it's crazy: the ns558 module must be modprobed, then removed, then modprobed again, else the joystick wont work. just googled this solution from one who got the same problem... |
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| 14:27.28 | helix | goddamnit |
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| 14:27.35 | valdyn_ | humbolt: input/output |
| 14:27.41 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: come to myspam.org myspam.org myorg.spam! |
| 14:27.43 | dhuv | i wanted to ask all the admins out there, if you were to get a piece of software from a vendor that runs on linux, would you like it to run as a daemon or just start the process and put it in the background? |
| 14:27.44 | SlayerXP | ta |
| 14:27.46 | helix | /mode +b *!*@* :/ |
| 14:28.01 | Segers_J | humbolt: did you know that /foo searches for a character string in less (the default man pager in debian) man less for other nice tidbits. |
| 14:28.05 | Coke | elirips: how can you turn the power off and on again without having to reboot? |
| 14:28.10 | greycat | dhuv: it should have a flag to do either one, at the admin's cho]ice. |
| 14:28.18 | valdyn_ | humbolt: whenever that was really high that looked to me like a driver bug |
| 14:28.20 | jm_ | Coke: he probably means hard disk power |
| 14:28.31 | dhuv | greycat: i suggested that, like running samba with -D |
| 14:28.41 | Coke | dhuv: A daemon is simply a backgrounded process |
| 14:28.45 | Delph | Coke: run something like xen and move your virtual system to another box, cycle the power locally, and bring it back. =:) |
| 14:28.46 | dhuv | but in the beginning, if you can choose one which would you rather have? |
| 14:28.57 | elirips | Coke: i got some mobile racks, where you got a switch at the front to turn off power and remove harddisk. |
| 14:28.59 | humbolt | yes, I know |
| 14:29.08 | simonrvn | "hahd disk powah!!" |
| 14:29.10 | dhuv | Coke: so when you do ctrl + Z and bg it, is it considered a daemon? |
| 14:29.15 | Coke | elirips: yes, I didn't know it was a hot swap system |
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| 14:29.20 | ricky_clarkson | dhuv: No. |
| 14:29.25 | greycat | dhuv: no, it's just a job running in the background |
| 14:29.26 | humbolt | Segers_J |
| 14:29.27 | Coke | dhuv: no. a process that does that automatically is a daemon |
| 14:29.27 | ricky_clarkson | dhuv: It's a backgrounded process. |
| 14:29.30 | Noid | dhuv: it depends on what the program does |
| 14:29.37 | elirips | Coke: is it that really? am i risking damage by doing so or should all work nice? |
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| 14:29.41 | dhuv | where can i get more info about this? |
| 14:29.47 | greycat | dhuv: Google, books. |
| 14:29.47 | duranain | cripes...it's 1:30 |
| 14:29.48 | Coke | dhuv: there are also rules that specify what signals a daemon should respond to and what it should do |
| 14:29.55 | ricky_clarkson | !daemon |
| 14:29.55 | dpkg | [daemon] process that runs in the background attending to various tasks without human intervention, or "Disk And Execution MONitor" |
| 14:30.09 | dhuv | Coke: yes that does make sense, i didnt think about that |
| 14:30.15 | greycat | what the fuck is that "Disk And Execution MONitor" crap? |
| 14:30.18 | simonrvn | man daemon |
| 14:30.21 | Coke | dhuv: but if you look at big vendors, like IBM, they don't give a flying fuck about HUP, INT or TERM most of the time. |
| 14:30.23 | ricky_clarkson | !factinfo daemon |
| 14:30.24 | dpkg | daemon -- created by daemon <joy@line167.dial.surffi.net> at Tue Dec 26 18:23:15 2000 (1531 days); last modified at Wed Jan 10 15:48:55 2001 by xk!xk@lab6.com; it has been requested 25 times, last by ricky_clarkson, 28s ago. |
| 14:30.32 | simonrvn | um, man 3 daemon |
| 14:30.37 | Noid | greycat: it's the definition of daemon, obsolete by today's standards |
| 14:30.46 | greycat | it is NOT. |
| 14:30.50 | simonrvn | for starters anyway |
| 14:30.55 | Noid | greycat: it was |
| 14:31.00 | ricky_clarkson | The daemon() function first appeared in BSD4.4. Sorry my BSD. |
| 14:31.02 | duranain | [daemon] creature from the seventh circle, responsible for all the crap that goes wrong in your life, see also [karma]...or something |
| 14:31.24 | humbolt | There is no explanation for wa in the man page! every wa in the man page belongs to the word "was"! |
| 14:31.38 | simonrvn | file a bug |
| 14:31.46 | simonrvn | or read the source |
| 14:31.56 | ricky_clarkson | Use the source, Luke. |
| 14:31.57 | bob2 | humbolt: wait. |
| 14:32.06 | bob2 | also, top output changed between 2.4 and 2.6 |
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| 14:32.18 | Coke | dhuv: the programming guides I've read explain daemons as forks that ignores HUP from it's parent and then the parent dies leaving just the forked process. |
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| 14:32.26 | simonrvn | ...and top happens to grok that diff |
| 14:32.48 | dhuv | Coke: thanks |
| 14:32.53 | simonrvn | Coke: not all daemons do that |
| 14:32.58 | Segers_J | dhuv: just make it run to start with ;) |
| 14:33.12 | dhuv | Segers_J: they are trying |
| 14:33.13 | Coke | simonrvn: I know. But it is a common aproach when programming them. |
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| 14:33.29 | Coke | simonrvn: it madem me realize just how regular daemon processes are, that's all. |
| 14:33.30 | simonrvn | i can think of 2 daemons that don't: spamd, and apache(1|2) |
| 14:33.34 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.35 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:33.43 | greycat | HAH! Take that! |
| 14:33.55 | valdyn_ | rar is producing ~8% us, 80% and more wa, thats fucked up somewhere =/ |
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| 14:34.10 | Delph | valdyn_: your hdd grinding? |
| 14:34.11 | greycat | I can't fucking STAND urban legend backronyms. |
| 14:34.16 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:34.22 | Noid | greycat: ok, a "retronym". I stand corrected |
| 14:34.22 | dhuv | currently they problem we are having is that when we start it as a regular proces and try to put it in the background, it crashes, the ctrl +z kills it |
| 14:34.35 | valdyn_ | Delph: as much as rar lets it grind, way less than it could |
| 14:34.36 | bob2 | ,dpkg, sid is an acronym for Still In Development |
| 14:34.42 | greycat | bob2: yes, like THAT one. |
| 14:34.48 | bob2 | bwahaha |
| 14:34.50 | greycat | I was just about to name that as a perfect example |
| 14:34.50 | simonrvn | uh hunh |
| 14:35.00 | valdyn_ | Delph: though maybe rar is outputting to disk really really stupid |
| 14:35.02 | Coke | dhuv: probably not. it's probably the HUP when the terminal you started it in dies |
| 14:35.12 | humbolt | iowait: waiting for I/O to complete |
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| 14:35.13 | valdyn_ | Delph: that what I would guess anyway |
| 14:35.20 | humbolt | whatever that means |
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| 14:35.23 | Delph | valdyn_: try throwing rar's output into /dev/null and see if it changes |
| 14:35.27 | Noid | greycat: well, i have always read that daemon was an acronym for that, most documentation on that is wrong, then |
| 14:35.28 | Delph | rather than putting it out to disk. |
| 14:35.48 | humbolt | I wanna lower that again, how do I find out what to kill? |
| 14:35.57 | valdyn_ | Delph: ill try that |
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| 14:36.19 | greycat | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/D/daemon.html |
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| 14:36.37 | inc|freaky | what p2p applications are you using under linux? |
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| 14:36.42 | inc|freaky | @ all ;o) |
| 14:36.55 | Noid | greycat: yes, i was googling that |
| 14:37.00 | Delph | inc|freaky: jabber. |
| 14:37.06 | jimripponuk | Does anyone know where I should be asking for help setting up an ipsec-tools/racoon vpn connection? |
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| 14:37.31 | bob2 | jimripponuk: #lartc on irc.oftc.net, or the list |
| 14:37.32 | scarynetworkguy | jimripponuk: Google. |
| 14:37.33 | inc|freaky | Delph: jabber is an instant messenger |
| 14:37.38 | inc|freaky | i mean p2p files |
| 14:37.43 | inc|freaky | sharing |
| 14:37.48 | resiak | !tell inc|freaky -about enter |
| 14:37.53 | bob2 | jimripponuk: or the debian-isp/debian-security list |
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| 14:38.06 | inc|freaky | im sorry :D |
| 14:38.07 | Delph | inc|freaky: you said p2p: person 2 person, jabber is a decentralised protocol, so it's a p2p app. |
| 14:38.12 | xk | ;) |
| 14:38.25 | Noid | Delph: p2p=peer to peer, not person |
| 14:38.26 | inc|freaky | Delph: yea, i know, thats why i just said what i mean ;D |
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| 14:38.30 | Delph | Noid: same difference. |
| 14:38.35 | Noid | Delph: no way |
| 14:38.38 | Delph | Noid: way! |
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| 14:38.49 | inc|freaky | kewl i was right ^^ |
| 14:38.54 | Delph | dude, i mean like way out! |
| 14:38.57 | Noid | Delph: whatever you say *shrugs* |
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| 14:39.21 | Segers_J | inc|freaky: giFT is nice. I was using that. |
| 14:39.25 | inc|freaky | nobody doing any filesharing in here? *wonders* |
| 14:39.34 | xk | mldonkey + sancho is what I use. |
| 14:39.40 | bob2 | sharing warez is off-topic, tho |
| 14:39.41 | Segers_J | haha |
| 14:39.42 | simonrvn | yeh, http://127.0.23.127 |
| 14:39.52 | inc|freaky | Segers_J: im using apollon with giFT and amule ... but both dont have the songs i want :( |
| 14:39.55 | valdyn_ | Delph: yea, result is the same |
| 14:39.57 | xk | is pr0n considered warez? :) |
| 14:39.58 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 14:40.03 | Segers_J | mldonkey and sancho :) |
| 14:40.05 | resiak | xk: Depends if it's WaReZed pr0n. |
| 14:40.08 | valdyn_ | Delph: so rar is fucked |
| 14:40.11 | scarynetworkguy | Delph: Jabber very much requires a central server and everything is passed through that server and you can't very easily talk to others on another server. I'm having a hard time groking how it is decentralised. |
| 14:40.12 | inc|freaky | i aint looking for porn, im just looking for a song lol |
| 14:40.24 | humbolt | valdyn_: how do I find out what driver it is, or if there is a specific app that causes the waits? I wanna kill them all and get the system back to some responsiveness if possible without reboot! |
| 14:40.33 | resiak | inc|freaky: Buyyyyy itttttt.... |
| 14:40.33 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 14:40.33 | dpkg | [lol] Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
| 14:40.39 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Uhm, taling to users on other servers is trivial. |
| 14:40.40 | Delph | scarynetworkguy: but all central servers are peers of each other. |
| 14:40.42 | inc|freaky | resiak: its a promotion track, i cant buy it |
| 14:40.44 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: It's not p2p, but it is decentralised. |
| 14:40.47 | Segers_J | inc|freaky: it's still copyright infringement FWIW. |
| 14:40.52 | resiak | inc|freaky: Then ... wait for it to come out! |
| 14:40.53 | greycat | Dammit, it's ProDVD key renewal time again. |
| 14:41.00 | Delph | jabber/jabberd then. |
| 14:41.03 | xk | greycat: hah. |
| 14:41.04 | inc|freaky | :( |
| 14:41.08 | inc|freaky | awkay |
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| 14:41.12 | valdyn_ | humbolt: no idea, high wa itself doesnt make my system unresponsive.. |
| 14:41.13 | resiak | inc|freaky: We're not here to help you break the law. |
| 14:41.20 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: I've heard Jabber referred to as "s2s", though that may be confusing terminology. It's certainly handy in that bits of the Jabber network will retain resilience. |
| 14:41.31 | inc|freaky | resiak: ;o) |
| 14:41.33 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Cool. |
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| 14:41.37 | Noid | resiak: well, that depends on the country he lives in |
| 14:41.51 | inc|freaky | Noid: i think in every country you may not just download commercial songs |
| 14:41.53 | Coke | what is s2s? |
| 14:41.54 | PerfDave | AFAIK, Waste is the only "true" p2p IM application, but I think it still benefits from people running co-ordination servers. |
| 14:41.55 | humbolt | but it is |
| 14:41.58 | scarynetworkguy | Next can we call the net a r2r network? |
| 14:42.00 | inc|freaky | but that is a promo track, no commercial song |
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| 14:42.17 | scarynetworkguy | inc|freaky: Go to your local CD shop. |
| 14:42.19 | bob2 | inc|freaky: no, promo tracks are copyrighted too |
| 14:42.26 | humbolt | and wa stays at 97% |
| 14:42.46 | valdyn_ | humbolt: just kill processes one by one to see? |
| 14:42.46 | Coke | inc|freaky: promo tracks are highly commercial |
| 14:42.51 | scarynetworkguy | Go PerfDave. |
| 14:42.53 | Noid | inc|freaky: well, in my country you may have personal copies, anyway, long story, convoluted laws |
| 14:43.01 | Segers_J | chu, toby chu. . . (anybody remember Resivoir Dogs?) |
| 14:43.03 | Coke | inc|freaky: in fact, promo tracks have ONLY commercial purposes. |
| 14:43.18 | resiak | Noid: Are you Canadian? :) |
| 14:43.20 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: And I hassle people like resiak to distribute tracks etc. under CC licenses so I can pimp them ;) |
| 14:43.32 | humbolt | > humbolt: just kill processes one by one to see? |
| 14:43.33 | humbolt | <Coke> inc|freaky: promo tracks are highly commercial |
| 14:43.33 | Shadur | .... FUCK. EU presidency just refused to ditch the patent proposal. |
| 14:43.33 | humbolt | <s |
| 14:43.36 | inc|freaky | Coke: right, but that song is on no cd |
| 14:43.45 | inc|freaky | am going crazy i want that song |
| 14:43.47 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Indeed. :) |
| 14:43.51 | humbolt | sorry |
| 14:43.52 | resiak | inc|freaky: That doesn't mean you can steal it. |
| 14:43.59 | Coke | resiak: please |
| 14:44.00 | resiak | inc|freaky: Why not download some music legally instead? www.whoiselmoblatch.com ;) |
| 14:44.02 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: That reminds me, I need to e-mail Mesaplex about CC licensing the downloadable demos I linked to the other day |
| 14:44.08 | resiak | Coke: Please what? |
| 14:44.09 | greycat | if you want the song, just download it already. |
| 14:44.10 | inc|freaky | they dont have that song |
| 14:44.11 | Coke | resiak: that term is unfitting |
| 14:44.11 | greycat | Sheesh. |
| 14:44.13 | Noid | resiak: spanish... the equivalent of the RIAA here are making a campaing to criminalize file sharing and stuff, but it's not illegal per se... yet |
| 14:44.14 | resiak | Coke: Sorry |
| 14:44.15 | humbolt | valdyn: I have users working on the system! |
| 14:44.15 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Coolness. |
| 14:44.20 | resiak | Noid: Cool. |
| 14:44.30 | resiak | Coke: I know what you mean. I didn't mean to use it. |
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| 14:44.40 | PerfDave | resiak, inc|freaky: Yes, there is lots of freely downloadable music, like that available at http://www.deathboy.co.uk/ http://www.earthlooprecall.com/ and http://www.mesaplex.net/ |
| 14:44.41 | Coke | You can't steal assumed income. |
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| 14:44.52 | Segers_J | inc|freaky: try one of the many online music stores. |
| 14:44.57 | resiak | PerfDave: Sssh, I was pimping WIEB :) |
| 14:45.12 | scarynetworkguy | WIEB ROCKS!! |
| 14:45.12 | Coke | NO! |
| 14:45.14 | Coke | damn it. |
| 14:45.16 | Noid | resiak: the thing is, the law assumes you can make private copies, but not for profit (it's called "fair use" or something like that)... |
| 14:45.24 | PerfDave | Noid: Uhm, depends on the law ;) |
| 14:45.29 | resiak | Noid: Cool. |
| 14:45.33 | resiak | PerfDave: Scrollback... |
| 14:45.34 | PerfDave | Ooh, that's a point, I should buy some albums off http://www.inthenursery.com/ since they have their entire back catalogue available as high-bitrate, DRM-free mp3. |
| 14:45.41 | Coke | If any of you butt munchers snort me I'll give you the worse hangover ever! |
| 14:46.02 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 14:46.03 | dpkg | well, qotd39 is <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 14:46.08 | simonrvn | i'm not into butt munching. sorry to disappoint you |
| 14:46.13 | greycat | ... does that mean biting someone's butt is a bad thing? |
| 14:46.30 | resiak | How about rump roasts? |
| 14:46.41 | Segers_J | Coke: I agree, stealing according to black's law dictionary, involves depriving someone of something that they possessed before you stole it. But copyright infringement is illegal too. |
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| 14:46.59 | Noid | greycat: depends on the enjoyment you get by biting it |
| 14:47.15 | Coke | Segers_J: indeed. just can't stand people calling it theft or, even worse, piracy. |
| 14:47.44 | greycat | Noid: I would've thought so too, but Coke seems to have a different opinion. |
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| 14:47.47 | Coke | Segers_J: it's just a PR stunt by the large media corporations to make copyright infringement sound worse than it really is |
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| 14:48.05 | Segers_J | Coke: true that. |
| 14:48.18 | ricky_clarkson | Stealing has been used to refer to intangibles for centuries. |
| 14:48.25 | ricky_clarkson | Stealing ideas, etc. |
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| 14:48.32 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: You stole my girlfriend! |
| 14:48.35 | PerfDave | Piracy is theft! |
| 14:48.41 | greycat | War is peace! |
| 14:48.41 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: She's intangible to you now. |
| 14:48.47 | arthurgeek | why php4-gd(2) lists xfree as dep? |
| 14:48.49 | ricky_clarkson | Freedom is slavery. |
| 14:48.51 | scarynetworkguy | Slavery is freedom! |
| 14:48.55 | Coke | PerfDave: piracy is a sort of theft, yes, but copyright infringement is not piracy nor theft. |
| 14:48.57 | PerfDave | So if theft involves deprivation, can I steal your girlfriend if I don't mind sharing? ;) |
| 14:49.05 | greycat | Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad. |
| 14:49.05 | resiak | arthurgeek: Can't you see that we're not discussing Debian here? :) |
| 14:49.08 | Noid | greycat: he must be "projecting his impulses" or some equally not quite fitting psychological term, then |
| 14:49.17 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: indeed. it's a term patent lobbyists invented. |
| 14:49.24 | arthurgeek | there's a way to install gd library for php, without xfree as dep? |
| 14:49.28 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: Bollocks. |
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| 14:49.32 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: also, the idea "stealing" is metaphoric |
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| 14:49.41 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: you can't actualy steal someones idea since they still posses it. |
| 14:49.45 | greycat | Oh yeah, can't forget: property is theft. |
| 14:49.51 | simonrvn | arthurgeek: read carefully what the deps are |
| 14:50.05 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: You can. |
| 14:50.07 | greycat | Or: all property is theft, except mine. |
| 14:50.17 | arthurgeek | simonrvn: defoma fontconfig libfontconfig1 libfreetype6 libgd2-xpm libice6 libjpeg62 libpng12-0 libsm6 libt1-5 libx11-6 |
| 14:50.17 | arthurgeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.27 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: no. that is something that has been redefined in the later part of civilization |
| 14:50.31 | simonrvn | arthurgeek: i don't see an xserver there |
| 14:50.33 | PerfDave | greycat: Posession is nine-tenths of the law? |
| 14:50.34 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: Bollocks. |
| 14:50.38 | arthurgeek | simonrvn: i did an apt-get install php4-gd2 |
| 14:50.39 | Noid | ricky_clarkson: no, it's just idea reproduction... you know, ideas are alive too.. what were they called... "memes"? |
| 14:50.50 | arthurgeek | simonrvn: xfree86-common ? |
| 14:50.52 | simonrvn | arthurgeek: i imagine you did |
| 14:51.00 | greycat | PerfDave: he who has the gold makes the rule. |
| 14:51.03 | simonrvn | i said an xserver |
| 14:51.03 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: stealing means taking away something you posses. |
| 14:51.11 | ricky_clarkson | !dict steal |
| 14:51.13 | greycat | P. O. S. S. E. S. S. |
| 14:51.15 | greycat | POSSESS. |
| 14:51.19 | greycat | SPELL IT RIGHT, please. |
| 14:51.19 | Coke | ok |
| 14:51.27 | resiak | !possess |
| 14:51.30 | resiak | !posses |
| 14:51.30 | arthurgeek | simonrvn: ok, then if i install xfree86-common i don't get an xserver? (sorry, i'm not an "debianist"..) |
| 14:51.30 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You're pozessed, dood. |
| 14:51.31 | Segers_J | greycat: he who makes the rules keeps the gold. ;) |
| 14:51.31 | Coke | greycat: wtf, I can't run everything through aspell |
| 14:51.35 | scarynetworkguy | Coke: Fact is that everybody knows what is meant and communication takes place. It as pointless to argue that as it would be for me to yell at every fucktard who uses the term "hacker" and/or "commando" wrong. |
| 14:51.37 | simonrvn | it's like "loose" "lose"... |
| 14:51.50 | FieldySnuts | wankers. |
| 14:51.58 | scarynetworkguy | Which I do. But I enjoy being pointless and scary. |
| 14:52.09 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=*&Query=steal |
| 14:52.14 | Coke | scarynetworkguy: no, because some people are trying to make copyright infringement euqal to theft. |
| 14:52.18 | ricky_clarkson | scarypointlessguy? |
| 14:52.18 | PerfDave | greycat: Violence, the supreme authority from which all authority is derived. |
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| 14:52.23 | resiak | !posses is WRONG! It's possess. P O S S E S S. Four Ss. Yes, four. Not three. |
| 14:52.23 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 14:52.24 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: And GNU/Linux? ;) |
| 14:52.27 | simonrvn | arthurgeek: what? never mind. ignore that. there is no xserver-xfree86 there, therefore you ARE NOT, REPEAT, ARE NOT installing an xserver. capiche? |
| 14:52.40 | ricky_clarkson | !posess is <reply>see posses |
| 14:52.40 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
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| 14:52.46 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Oddly enough I don't go off on that one. But yes a good example. :) |
| 14:53.00 | arthurgeek | simonrvn: ok.. thx! |
| 14:53.01 | Daddyeight | GM every one |
| 14:53.13 | greycat | game master to you, too. |
| 14:53.27 | ricky_clarkson | Daddyeight: Not all are in US timezones. |
| 14:53.32 | Daddyeight | Thanks kinda new at this |
| 14:53.34 | kensuke | DM |
| 14:53.34 | Noid | greycat: stop stealing my thoughts! that's copyright posssssessing! |
| 14:53.36 | kensuke | hehe |
| 14:53.36 | simonrvn | kiss ma pale brown ass, you heah? |
| 14:53.36 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: I don't see any explanation of "steal" that goes on about reduction of projected income. |
| 14:53.48 | greycat | Noid: you can't steal what's not there to begin with. |
| 14:53.51 | scarynetworkguy | Coke: See above. I didn't say you were wrong just that it is pointless to argue it. Google on "teach a pig to sing". |
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| 14:53.57 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: What the fuck are you talking about? |
| 14:54.04 | simonrvn | coke |
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| 14:54.07 | stein | Anyone knows what creates symlinks in /dev on sarge. Particularly /dev/radio ? |
| 14:54.13 | Noid | greycat: hilarious. d-: |
| 14:54.25 | randey | what package is required for make xconfig for 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:54.26 | zinx | stein: udev, usually |
| 14:54.36 | simonrvn | randey: be happy, use menuconfig |
| 14:54.42 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: yes, and that's the sort of argumentation I always here from your camp |
| 14:54.44 | greycat | randey: um.... which error is it giving? |
| 14:54.56 | FieldySnuts | "your camp" oh god, get over yourself |
| 14:55.08 | scarynetworkguy | Coke: So you think that copyright should be ignored? |
| 14:55.12 | Coke | scarynetworkguy: no |
| 14:55.22 | randey | QT_DIR , .tmp_qtchecck |
| 14:55.30 | greycat | randey: then you want libqtsomething-dev |
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| 14:55.32 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: What camp is that? Anyway, I didn't know we were talking about reduction of projected income, whatever that is, just that you can steal ideas. |
| 14:55.40 | greycat | randey: apt-cache search --names-only lib qt dev |
| 14:55.40 | Segers_J | randey: last I tried, xconfig was missing some options for sound that menuconfig had. |
| 14:55.57 | randey | ok thanks |
| 14:55.59 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: how is that possible? if you tell me an idea and I implement it before you, you still have your idea and you can still implement it yourself. |
| 14:56.00 | scarynetworkguy | Coke: If Microsoft were to copy chunks of the Linux kernel into Windows what would you call that action from a legal standpoint? |
| 14:56.05 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: so what has been stolen? |
| 14:56.09 | zinx | Coke: copyright infringment is still a crime, reguardless of whether it's exactly the same as theft or not ;) |
| 14:56.16 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: Based on the definitions of steal. |
| 14:56.21 | greycat | zinx: in some jueisdictions. |
| 14:56.23 | greycat | jur* |
| 14:56.27 | stein | scarynetworkguy: Copyright infringement |
| 14:56.30 | zinx | greycat: most, i'd imagine |
| 14:56.32 | aluno | OLA |
| 14:56.36 | Coke | scarynetworkguy: good judgement from Microsofts technical staff. |
| 14:56.39 | scarynetworkguy | stein: And is it legal or illegal? |
| 14:56.43 | simonrvn | aluno: EHLO |
| 14:56.45 | Coke | scarynetworkguy: as long as they honour the GPL |
| 14:56.53 | stein | Coke: :-D |
| 14:56.57 | Delph | Coke: haha. |
| 14:57.04 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: eh, no |
| 14:57.07 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: nevermind, though |
| 14:57.07 | stein | scarynetworkguy: illegal, consult your lawyer for details |
| 14:57.09 | ricky_clarkson | Coke: "To gain by insinuating arts or covert means.", "To accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner;", for example. |
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| 14:57.21 | aluno | ESTOU CONHECENDO ESTA FERRAMENTA, PRECISO DE AJUDA |
| 14:57.23 | ricky_clarkson | Ok, just the first there. |
| 14:57.28 | greycat | !br |
| 14:57.28 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:57.53 | scarynetworkguy | stein: So in English taking something that you don't own and using it against the owners wishes is called? |
| 14:57.55 | jim | aluno: your caps lock is on and annoying |
| 14:57.58 | afaik | heh |
| 14:58.00 | afaik | I can speak again |
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| 14:58.08 | afaik | copyright should be done away with... it should be patents all the way down |
| 14:58.12 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: borrowing |
| 14:58.16 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: theft, stealing. . . |
| 14:58.16 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: so if I implement your idea openly (not covertly or concealed) it's not stealing? |
| 14:58.18 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Heh. |
| 14:58.23 | afaik | scarynetworkguy, stealing |
| 14:58.25 | resiak | greycat: "Liberating"? |
| 14:58.27 | Delph | scarynetworkguy: depends if you're planning to permamently deprive the owner of it. |
| 14:58.29 | greycat | resiak: that too :) |
| 14:58.34 | Delph | (it actually does depend) |
| 14:58.39 | stein | scarynetworkguy: sorry, I don't play with words .. |
| 14:58.40 | stein | . |
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| 14:59.09 | scarynetworkguy | stein: Don't play with words? I'm just asking for a simple defination. |
| 14:59.25 | stein | scarynetworkguy: Actually it depend on how much money you have and how good your lawyers are :-) |
| 14:59.32 | greycat | there are no simple definitions |
| 14:59.47 | Coke | ricky_clarkson: here's a question; consider you have an apple and that I can magically make a duplicate of it. If I duplicate your apple, is that theft? (you do not own the copyright of the apple) |
| 14:59.54 | stein | scarynetworkguy: I am no authority to define english words. |
| 14:59.57 | greycat | words are nebulous, intangible, flexible, mutable... |
| 15:00.35 | PerfDave | And dictionaries should be descriptive, not proscriptive. |
| 15:00.42 | PerfDave | Or rather, perscriptive. |
| 15:00.56 | stein | A copyright infringement is a copyright infringement, no matter what you call it. (Unless you're a judge or something, then it matters) |
| 15:00.59 | Delph | Coke: consider this. I want everyone to be able to have a copy of this apple, and anyone who takes a copy of this apple to be forced to allow others to copy it. |
| 15:01.17 | Segers_J | when you infringe copyright, you deprive the copyright holder of the right to control who copies their work, a power that can be used to gain monetary benefit. |
| 15:01.20 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: True. And in this case a description of the language as it is used would call the act "theft". |
| 15:01.20 | stein | Delph: and I want a Ferrari |
| 15:01.33 | bob2 | when you infringe copyright, god kills a kitten |
| 15:01.39 | Delph | Segers_J: which is the best way of describing it. |
| 15:01.40 | stein | :-) |
| 15:01.40 | bob2 | doubly so if you masturbate over your infringement |
| 15:01.41 | Coke | stein: indeed. but a copyright infringement isn't theft. that's why they invented a new term for it in the first place. |
| 15:01.57 | Coke | bob2: no, not a kitten! why not a dog instead? |
| 15:02.12 | bob2 | Coke: kittens > dogs |
| 15:02.16 | stein | Coke: Of course. I dont get why people argue about the words. |
| 15:02.23 | stein | over and over ... |
| 15:02.25 | bob2 | he/she/it's going for maximum effect |
| 15:02.39 | greycat | ought to make it badgers, then. |
| 15:02.41 | Coke | bob2: perhaps "puppies" are better than "dogs" |
| 15:03.17 | Segers_J | stein: because I hate confusion and vexation. |
| 15:03.24 | bob2 | badgers are about as cute as razor blades in your undies |
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| 15:03.33 | Segers_J | hahahahahahehehehehaahahahah |
| 15:03.39 | Coke | greycat: dead badgers cover the mostpart of the freeways here and nobody cares. got to be something that will make people cry |
| 15:03.45 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J: What does the word "commando" mean? |
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| 15:04.00 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: without underwear? |
| 15:04.05 | greycat | !dict commando |
| 15:04.07 | Coke | hehehehe |
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| 15:04.19 | Coke | Segers_J: that was funny |
| 15:04.22 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J: Heh. Work with me to make the point please. |
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| 15:04.31 | scarynetworkguy | And yes it was funny. |
| 15:05.20 | simonrvn | o/~ it's snowing again o/~ |
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| 15:05.26 | PerfDave | dogs > kittens |
| 15:05.31 | greycat | !start a pet war |
| 15:05.32 | dpkg | cats are way cooler and smarter than dogs |
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| 15:06.04 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: I'm afraid I don't have a good grasp on other meanings of commando, a person in the military who works solo or in small groups? |
| 15:06.18 | PerfDave | Segers_J: No, somebody who isn't wearing any underwear. |
| 15:06.27 | Segers_J | :) |
| 15:06.33 | greycat | dict(1) says "a member of a military unit trained as shock troops for hit-and-run raids [syn: {ranger}]" and "an amphibious military unit trained for raids into enemy territory" |
| 15:06.49 | jim | nonono, that's GOiNG commando |
| 15:06.58 | stein | Segers_J: There is no confusion over "copyright infringemet". It is very clearly defined. |
| 15:07.05 | Coke | but dpkg is correct |
| 15:07.55 | Segers_J | stein: there is intentional confusion inherent in calling copyright infringement stealing though. |
| 15:08.28 | Segers_J | stein: it's designed to get an emotional reaction. |
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| 15:08.54 | stein | Segers_J: Yep, poeple use it when they run out of arguments/facts ;-) |
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| 15:09.48 | Coke | stein: not so much that, but rather to promote their own ideals that copyrights are good and infringement of them is very bad. I wouldn't be surprised if some hot shot media executive would start calling it rape soon. |
| 15:09.59 | Coke | stein: after all, they are already calling it piracy. |
| 15:11.09 | Coke | Segers_J: Debian does that for you! |
| 15:11.13 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J: Fair enough. It is a term for a unit. Now if I were to, as I do, yell at everybody person I hear using it to talk about a person I would sow confusion and vexation. I like confusion and vexation, myself. The point being that people use words in ways that are not always in synch with their proper meanings. So this kind of persctiptive argument sows confusion. |
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| 15:11.38 | Coke | Which is one of the things that makes Debian so nice to work with; someone else has already checked all the copyright stuff. |
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| 15:11.59 | stein | Anyone with a radio card here ? What device nodes do you have in /dev ? |
| 15:12.38 | valdyn_ | humbolt: radio0 |
| 15:12.44 | valdyn_ | stein: radio0 |
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| 15:14.32 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: "don't try to teach a pig to sing" sort of argument, fair enough. |
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| 15:15.20 | Noid | tell ergocho about nvidia-howto |
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| 15:15.27 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J: Pretty much. |
| 15:15.50 | stein | valdyn_: what version of debian ? |
| 15:16.09 | nostalg1c | can anyone here assist me with a postfix/sasl related question? my logs show my sasl doesn't recognize auxprop as a plaintext auth handler, and according to some google posts that implies i'm running sasl instead of sasl2.. how can i check this and how do i upgrade it to sasl2? i'm running woody atm |
| 15:16.20 | florg | hi. my apt-get denies to install dcgui-qt and sends the error message i pasted in #flood. I don't know how to solve the problem :( |
| 15:16.25 | bob2 | nostalg1c: woody's postfix is shit |
| 15:16.40 | bob2 | florg: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood |
| 15:16.43 | bob2 | nostalg1c: www.a |
| 15:16.48 | bob2 | er, www.backports.org |
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| 15:17.13 | nostalg1c | bob2, should i be able to install backports's postfix without having to reconfigure it all? |
| 15:17.27 | nostalg1c | i want to keep using postfix1 for now, but with sasl2 |
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| 15:17.36 | bob2 | doubt that will work |
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| 15:17.54 | florg | bob2: done |
| 15:17.57 | valdyn_ | florg: wait for the new dcgui-qt package to get into sarge |
| 15:18.07 | nostalg1c | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ sets up postfix 1.x + saslé |
| 15:18.09 | nostalg1c | *sasl2 |
| 15:18.13 | nostalg1c | so it should work i guess |
| 15:18.17 | stein | valdyn_: What version of debian do you have ? |
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| 15:18.32 | bob2 | florg: why do you have lines for stable, testing and unstable? |
| 15:18.36 | valdyn_ | stein: sid |
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| 15:18.48 | valdyn_ | stein: now how would that matter though? |
| 15:18.50 | xarg | how can I verify that my exim is filteriung things through spamassassin and clamd? |
| 15:18.58 | bob2 | xarg: read your logs |
| 15:19.00 | greycat | SA should put a header in... |
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| 15:19.15 | florg | bob2: sometimes parts are commented out |
| 15:19.19 | stein | valdyn_: What ? Version? Well different versions behave differently. What would the point of their existencve be otherwise ? ;-) |
| 15:19.20 | yangsx | hi, all! do you know what is the best way to import Outlook mail (under GNU/Linux)? |
| 15:19.51 | florg | i started with testing but needed unstable packages sometimes |
| 15:20.14 | yangsx | I mean the pst file of Microsoft Outlook, which is binary |
| 15:20.14 | valdyn_ | stein: radio0 is radio0 everywhere, except *maybe* if you use devfs |
| 15:20.20 | nostalg1c | bob2, anyways, any chance to get sasl2 on woody postfix ? |
| 15:20.25 | greycat | yangsx: pull it from the Exchange server via POP3 or IMAP. |
| 15:20.27 | bob2 | nostalg1c: not without recompiling it |
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| 15:20.33 | stein | valdyn_: some installs also have /dev/radio (->radio0) |
| 15:20.52 | stein | at least Gerd Knorr thinks that |
| 15:20.57 | yangsx | greycat: it's a local pst file already |
| 15:21.03 | florg | is the problem because of the dcgui-qt-related bug? |
| 15:21.05 | nostalg1c | bob2, i'm not afraid of some compilation, as long as it doesn't screw up my install |
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| 15:21.35 | valdyn_ | stein: debians udev doesn't create that link, so i don't have it |
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| 15:21.38 | stein | yangsx: import into what ? |
| 15:21.40 | xarg | bob2: my exim logs? what would I look for? |
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| 15:21.52 | jeffsonp | oi |
| 15:22.04 | valdyn_ | stein: debians default /dev does have it ( or /.dev/ if you use udev ) |
| 15:22.10 | yangsx | stein: kmail, thunderbird, any Linux mail reader |
| 15:22.29 | stein | yangsx: did you read the Thunderbird FAQ ? |
| 15:22.32 | yangsx | as long as there is a debian |
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| 15:23.04 | yangsx | stein: not yet, just search the web while asking here. I use kmail more often |
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| 15:24.36 | shadfc | are there any other servers that host the official jigdo images for stable besides those listed on http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 15:25.47 | Kawwz | www.otomotivshow.com WEBSITE HOSTING RESELLER DOMAIN |
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| 15:25.57 | yangsx | stein: cannot find anything concerning importing from outlook mail |
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| 15:26.18 | yangsx | in thunderbird FAQ |
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| 15:27.08 | FieldySnuts | gee. .tr again. |
| 15:27.18 | FieldySnuts | ttnet.net.tr big surprise |
| 15:27.22 | sussudio | +b *!*.tr |
| 15:27.27 | FieldySnuts | i wish. |
| 15:27.37 | sebux3 | just a question |
| 15:27.40 | FieldySnuts | problem is most of their customer ips don't reverse resolve |
| 15:27.49 | sebux3 | how to see the list of users? |
| 15:27.56 | FieldySnuts | but yeah ttnet.net.tr has been a problem every day here for the past week |
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| 15:28.10 | sussudio | inetnum: 85.99.0.0 - 85.99.127.255 |
| 15:28.18 | FieldySnuts | too bad you can't set CIDR bans |
| 15:28.19 | sussudio | so... *!*@85.99.* should do it |
| 15:28.30 | FieldySnuts | anyway, let the ops deal (or not deal) with it |
| 15:28.47 | sussudio | badgerbanwangtek |
| 15:28.58 | Skaag | is there a channel where i can talk to sourceforge staff? |
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| 15:29.27 | simonrvn | there was another one by the nick of Kaww and user name of z. same IP i think |
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| 15:30.06 | valdyn_ | yangsx: thunderbirds default import feature sais nothing about outlook, just adress books from textfiles ( LDIF,.tab,.csv,.txt , whatever that means ) |
| 15:30.19 | simonrvn | various file formats |
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| 15:30.42 | simonrvn | LDAP ldif, comma sep values, tab delimited, plain text |
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| 15:32.16 | stein | yangsx: Does this help ? : http://mozillanews.org/?article_date=2004-12-07+16-19-25#migrate-outlook |
| 15:32.17 | sebux3 | is someone got a d-link dsl 300t here? |
| 15:32.20 | yangsx | valdyn_: yes, unfortunately. thunderbird can only import communcator 4 mail as packaged in debian |
| 15:32.34 | bob2 | sebux3: d-link sucks ever so much ass |
| 15:32.48 | sebux3 | really shit? |
| 15:32.57 | yangsx | stein: thanks, trying to open |
| 15:33.28 | sebux3 | because got a lot of problems with my connection |
| 15:33.59 | valdyn_ | yangsx: can always Import whatever a mailserver can read so, add mbox , Maildir, whatever else |
| 15:34.30 | valdyn_ | s/Mailserver/pop3 or imap server/ |
| 15:35.05 | valdyn_ | yangsx: outlook should have ways to export that |
| 15:35.19 | sebux3 | :( |
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| 15:35.38 | yangsx | valdyn_: my problem is I'm trying to import Outlook pst file into a Linux mail reader |
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| 15:35.50 | pantoffel | where does apt/dpkg keeps the list of installed packages? |
| 15:36.12 | greycat | /var/lib/dpkg |
| 15:36.35 | sebux3 | is someone got a d-link dsl-300t here? |
| 15:36.36 | yangsx | stein: to summarize the page: it requires outlook installed. not for me: the machine is a backup and outlook is not installed. |
| 15:36.39 | sebux3 | is someone got a d-link dsl-300t here? |
| 15:36.41 | bob2 | sebux3: this sounds off-topic |
| 15:36.48 | bob2 | sebux3: also, you haven't asked a useful question yet |
| 15:36.48 | Segers_J | yangsx: can you get outlook to export it again (into something you know how to use) |
| 15:36.51 | valdyn_ | yangsx: seems easy : search in google for "migrate outlook .pst to linux ) |
| 15:37.08 | sebux3 | sorry i'm french my english is very bad |
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| 15:37.13 | sebux3 | so |
| 15:37.16 | valdyn_ | !readpst |
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| 15:37.26 | valdyn_ | !info readpst |
| 15:37.29 | sebux3 | i don't uderstand all words |
| 15:37.32 | dpkg | readpst: (Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 15:37.44 | valdyn_ | !info readpst sarge |
| 15:37.53 | sebux3 | frenchfrog :) |
| 15:37.55 | klaxia1 | hello |
| 15:37.58 | dwu | when i umount i get "Stale NFS file handle" and mount still show the export as mounted. how to i clean this up? |
| 15:38.04 | dpkg | readpst: (Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 15:38.25 | klaxia1 | have any of you experienced problems with evolution-exchange taking up all the memory and swap on a machine? There is a bug report about it that's been out for many months now |
| 15:38.26 | bob2 | !+french |
| 15:38.26 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 15:38.34 | yangsx | valdyn_: interesting, find some pages |
| 15:38.37 | Segers_J | sebux3: does someone have an X is not a useful question. pretend you just got 42 "yes" answers, and ask the real question. |
| 15:38.38 | sebux3 | thx |
| 15:38.41 | lilliput | hi all :) |
| 15:38.48 | valdyn_ | yangsx: look also what dpkg said |
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| 15:39.11 | schuler | how would you export an address file from ximian evolution and import it in mozilla mail? |
| 15:39.24 | schuler | via awk? |
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| 15:39.27 | greycat | dwu: is the NFS server down? |
| 15:39.30 | lilliput | just a question about kwrite .. I get this error since a bit I wonder why .. ""ISpell could not be started. Please make sure you have ISpell properly configured and in your PATH." |
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| 15:39.53 | yangsx | valdyn_: what do you mean? |
| 15:39.55 | klaxia1 | anyone know a solution to evolution-exchange taking up all the memory on the machine? |
| 15:40.01 | greycat | don't run it? |
| 15:40.04 | simonrvn | pretty plain warning to me |
| 15:40.06 | Segers_J | heh |
| 15:40.06 | klaxia1 | haha |
| 15:40.14 | klaxia1 | i'd love not to, but it's for work |
| 15:40.15 | valdyn_ | !info readpst sarge |
| 15:40.20 | dpkg | readpst: (Converts Outlook PST files to mbox and others), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 15:40.22 | valdyn_ | yangsx: ^^^ |
| 15:40.35 | pantoffel | greycat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23295554 the xinetd RC bug, removing the entry from available(this is the list that contains all the packages that are installed on the system right?) and removing the xinetd files would that be a good temporary solution to remove the xinetd? |
| 15:40.47 | yangsx | valdyn_: I see. it's a debian package. |
| 15:40.59 | greycat | pantoffel: you're asking me? how would I know? what does the bug say? |
| 15:42.13 | pantoffel | greycat: I citate from bts: line 16 attempts to run /etc/init.d/inetd, but as the warning indicates we're |
| 15:42.16 | pantoffel | not sure if that file exists. postrm should only attempt to run this script |
| 15:42.19 | pantoffel | if it exists. |
| 15:42.21 | yangsx | valdyn_: thank you and all others, exactly what I'm trying to find. |
| 15:43.13 | greycat | you seem to have mistaken me for someone who's ever used xinetd in his entire life. |
| 15:43.37 | klaxia1 | hmm...no evolution-exchange users here it seems ;) |
| 15:43.40 | klaxia1 | i don't blame them |
| 15:43.46 | simonrvn | no. try #ldap |
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| 15:44.26 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: i use it |
| 15:44.45 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: i don't have the memory problem you have though |
| 15:44.48 | stew | pantoffel: edit the postrm script and fix the error, then remove normally |
| 15:44.50 | klaxia1 | cool...have you had the problem where opening calendar items takes all the memory on your computer? |
| 15:44.53 | klaxia1 | hmm |
| 15:45.07 | klaxia1 | what version are you using? this seems to be new to 2.0 |
| 15:45.07 | sebux3 | ok do u know how to configure a firewall via telnet on a dsl ethernet modem? |
| 15:45.07 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: nope, what version of debian are you using? |
| 15:45.11 | pantoffel | stew: uhuh, what's the fix? |
| 15:45.11 | klaxia1 | unstable |
| 15:45.14 | pantoffel | stew: you talk easy |
| 15:45.16 | Segers_J | is it possible to wrap a static library inside a dynamically loadable library? (can I call a .a from a .so?) |
| 15:45.43 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: I only use testing, thehe version running on mine is 2.0.3 |
| 15:45.48 | greycat | you don't "call" a .a library. You link to it. |
| 15:45.53 | klaxia1 | blindboygrunt: that could be it |
| 15:46.19 | klaxia1 | blindboygrunt: mine is also 2.0.3 but maybe some of the libraries are different |
| 15:46.27 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 15:46.39 | greycat | klaxia1: if you're not running Debian, just say so, so we can smite you. |
| 15:46.50 | blindboygrunt | greycat: lol |
| 15:46.52 | klaxia1 | greycat: oh i'm rubbing debian |
| 15:47.10 | xam | greycat: what are you talking about? we smite people for no apparent reason |
| 15:47.10 | klaxia1 | greycat: there's an open bug in evolution-exchange on this issue...i was just hoping for a workaround |
| 15:47.17 | simonrvn | rubbing? how hard? |
| 15:47.17 | Segers_J | greycat: ok, is it possible to link to a static library from a dynamic one? |
| 15:47.31 | greycat | Segers_J: not meaningfully, no. |
| 15:48.21 | greycat | of course, the application that links to the first library could also link to the second one, regardless of whether they're static/dynamic |
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| 15:48.37 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: can you view your address book? |
| 15:49.10 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: i can search mine, but not view it, but it autocompletes things - very strange |
| 15:49.10 | klaxia1 | blindboygrunt: yes I can view the address book |
| 15:49.29 | klaxia1 | blindboygrunt: it's mainly calendar items that cause the memory issue |
| 15:49.53 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: needless to say, if my office didn't use exchange, i wouldn't be using evolution |
| 15:49.58 | abrotman | klaxia1: did you try poking around on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 15:50.05 | Segers_J | greycat: no can do, I'm trying to wrap some functionality for java, guess I'll learn how to make this thing produce a .so next then. Thanks for the sanity check. :) |
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| 15:50.50 | klaxia1 | no but i will |
| 15:50.52 | FieldySnuts | heh, it's amusing seeing the words functionality and java in the same sentance |
| 15:51.07 | klaxia1 | blindboygrunt: here is the bug if you're interested: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263278 |
| 15:51.22 | sml | greycat: ever used libtool ? |
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| 15:52.15 | blindboygrunt | klaxia1: thanks |
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| 15:54.31 | Skaag | wow. no slashdot for me. |
| 15:54.42 | Skaag | i'll come back, one year. |
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| 15:55.06 | greycat | in Soviet Russia, no you for slashdot! |
| 15:56.40 | brynjarh | Why don't I see any news anywhere on the acceptance of the software patent law in the EU? |
| 15:56.49 | brynjarh | http://wiki.ffii.org/Cons050307En |
| 15:58.17 | brynjarh | Doesn't this mean they accepted the law? |
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| 15:58.32 | simonrvn | read it |
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| 15:58.42 | jerome | brynjarh: they're being processed, there is a lot to say, a lot missaid |
| 15:58.42 | Skaag | brynjarh: Yes, they have |
| 15:58.49 | Skaag | brynjarh: It's quite sad, frankly |
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| 15:59.01 | jerome | It has to go to the parliament tho |
| 15:59.08 | eidolon | 'lo folks - looking for anyone who is pretty comfy configuration modules in XFree86 4.3.0.1. I'm trying to get drm enabled. I'm using a Radeon Mobility 9000 chipset, and the radeon module is in fact loaded (lsmod shows it). but 'Load "drm"' in the xf86config-4 file is not doing anything. waht am i missing? |
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| 15:59.19 | eidolon | (this is debian testing, btw) |
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| 16:00.27 | simonrvn | the dri module for your video card maybe? |
| 16:00.32 | lilliput | brynjarh: :( about the patents ( which country would be patents free ? China ? ?? ) |
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| 16:00.42 | Servo888 | Anybody know if there is some sort of 'cable tester' utility for linux. |
| 16:00.47 | jerome | how is plextor nowadays (I'm looking for a good DVD burner that lasts) |
| 16:00.53 | simonrvn | lilliput: here |
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| 16:01.02 | simonrvn | no s/w patents here |
| 16:01.08 | lilliput | simonrvn: where ?? |
| 16:01.10 | calin | Servo888: the internet |
| 16:01.12 | eidolon | simonrvn: it's not DRI - that's working |
| 16:01.14 | simonrvn | .ca |
| 16:01.14 | eidolon | this is DRM. |
| 16:01.25 | greycat | jerome: Pioneer DVD burners seem to be the best choice these days |
| 16:01.30 | greycat | jerome: avoid Sony. |
| 16:01.32 | eidolon | dmesg | grep drm shows that the radeon drm component initialized. |
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| 16:01.38 | brynjarh | lilliput, well my country is patent free, I live in Iceland, we are not apart of the EU. But we might be one day.. |
| 16:01.48 | abrotman | eidolon: did you ask #ati at all ? |
| 16:01.58 | eidolon | nuh uh, i didn't know there was an #ati. I'll look. |
| 16:02.06 | Servo888 | calin, I can't get to sourceforge nor freshmeat so I'm just asking around |
| 16:02.24 | jerome | greycat: thanks, I had a plextor CD burner which never f* up a CD, but it's 5 years old now :/ |
| 16:02.28 | calin | Servo888: but you can get on IRC? |
| 16:02.29 | Skaag | strange, it's like slashdot.org's network connection was severed |
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| 16:02.51 | jerome | brands just change so quickly in computer domain |
| 16:02.55 | Servo888 | calin, yup - google works fine, but I can't resolve freshmeat nor sourceforge =\ |
| 16:02.55 | abrotman | Skaag: did you try newsforge or any of the other OSDN crap ? |
| 16:02.58 | lilliput | there is still amandement but not sure they will block the text ( in case of absolute majority) |
| 16:03.08 | calin | Servo888: Sure it's not just a PeBKAC? |
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| 16:03.27 | valdyn_ | Servo888: it *should* work without you running anything but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:03.32 | abrotman | looks like OSDN forgot to pay thier bill |
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| 16:03.53 | eidolon | hee hee :) |
| 16:03.59 | abrotman | though .. thier dns seems to work fine |
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| 16:04.10 | Pumpkin_Pie | I was just using freshmeat like 10 minutes ago |
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| 16:04.18 | lilliput | someone get an idea for my pb with ispell in kwrite ? / ispell is in my $PATH and get this error don't even know why .. |
| 16:04.20 | abrotman | oh well .. go read kuro5hin or something |
| 16:04.24 | Servo888 | calin, har har - I don't think so ;-) |
| 16:04.27 | TinoW | bbl |
| 16:04.30 | eidolon | "Net becomes Safer for Humanity : Slashdot shut down. Users express 100% improvement in communal life. Film at 11." |
| 16:04.35 | eidolon | now if we can shut down livejournal. again. |
| 16:04.37 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 16:04.41 | FieldySnuts | eidolon: yeah |
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| 16:04.51 | FieldySnuts | or all of osdn |
| 16:04.58 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it is all gone |
| 16:05.02 | sussudio | !badgerdot |
| 16:05.06 | FieldySnuts | oh? |
| 16:05.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: slashdot/freshmeat/newsforge .. all MIA |
| 16:05.13 | dpkg | badger ; badger ; badger ; badger ; badger ; linux ; linux ; badger ; badger ; badger ; SCO oooh! It's SCOoooo... |
| 16:05.28 | FieldySnuts | yeah well they're all osdn and run in the same places, they've also had severe financial problems over the past year... |
| 16:05.31 | Pumpkin_Pie | sourceforge down |
| 16:05.32 | FieldySnuts | could be lots of things. |
| 16:05.37 | FieldySnuts | yes, we know. |
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| 16:05.43 | Pumpkin_Pie | not just newsforge :P |
| 16:06.00 | abrotman | Pumpkin_Pie: i can't remember all the crap osdn owns .. those were just three i tried |
| 16:06.09 | FieldySnuts | i'm still receiving mail from lists based at sourceforge, so maybe it's just part |
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| 16:06.13 | FieldySnuts | oh well. |
| 16:06.16 | Servo888 | yay I'm not crazy! So it is MIA |
| 16:06.24 | FieldySnuts | geez the world isn't ending. |
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| 16:06.39 | Pumpkin_Pie | thankfully I got my package searching down just in time :P suckers! |
| 16:06.44 | eidolon | okay, this si weird. xfree86.log is showing drm initted. |
| 16:06.45 | FieldySnuts | google for newsforge mirrors or sourceforge mirrors i bet you can find plenty |
| 16:06.50 | Pumpkin_Pie | s/down/done |
| 16:06.57 | abrotman | or read zdnn :) |
| 16:06.58 | eidolon | but xdpyinfo | grep -i drm is not showing anything, and games / etc are saying 'no drm' |
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| 16:07.32 | abrotman | eidolon: glxinfo | grep Direct |
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| 16:07.51 | eidolon | dbs@hunter:/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux$ glxinfo | grep Direct |
| 16:07.51 | eidolon | libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted |
| 16:07.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:08.05 | FieldySnuts | id10t.h? |
| 16:08.05 | abrotman | so fix your DRM .. apparently didn't load |
| 16:08.10 | jerome | is there any reason to choose DVD+ or DVD- if my DVD writer supports both (I mean ethically, technically, or anything) ? |
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| 16:08.23 | abrotman | eidolon: i buy hardware that doesn't require pony tricks |
| 16:08.24 | valdyn_ | don't you need to be in the group "video" |
| 16:08.27 | FieldySnuts | jerome: from what I hear, - works in more stand alone dvd players |
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| 16:08.38 | Noid | jerome: dvd- is generally more compatible with commercially available players, afaik |
| 16:08.39 | FieldySnuts | FieldySnuts: but i dunno. all confuses me |
| 16:08.47 | FieldySnuts | great now I"m talking to myself |
| 16:08.48 | eidolon | abrotman: heh. i wish ic ould change cards, but it's built into the laptop - and i like the laptop a lot. stand by, elmme show you the log (no i won't paste it :) |
| 16:08.50 | abrotman | valdyn_: uhm .. i think the 666 line in x config takes care of that |
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| 16:09.08 | valdyn_ | valdyn_: ok , yea, maybe his line doesn't |
| 16:09.13 | gdb | slashdot is working for me, albiet extremely slowly (as in hasn't displayed any content yet, just page layout) |
| 16:09.17 | abrotman | valdyn_: and afaik .. i've never done that |
| 16:09.23 | FieldySnuts | who fucking cares, this is #debian not #osdn |
| 16:09.33 | abrotman | oh .. i think there is one though |
| 16:10.02 | gdb | gee, i thought it was #ema |
| 16:10.05 | abrotman | maybe another network |
| 16:10.06 | Skaag | abrotman: sourceforge is not accessible for me as well |
| 16:10.08 | valdyn_ | eidolon: try the same as root, just to see if its a permission problem |
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| 16:10.12 | eidolon | abrotman: http://www.homeport.org/~shevett/out.txt |
| 16:10.15 | abrotman | Skaag: so they didn't pay thier bill |
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| 16:10.26 | eidolon | or anyone else - that's showing that the RADEON [drm] is initting. |
| 16:10.28 | FieldySnuts | guys. listen. they're having problems of some kind, repeatedly trying to bring up their pages only makes it worse. wait 10 mins, try again. |
| 16:10.42 | abrotman | eidolon: see all those drmOpenDevice ? ... that might be your problem |
| 16:10.46 | eidolon | interesting, 'sudo glxinfo | grep Direct |
| 16:10.48 | sussudio | s/mins/secs/ |
| 16:10.51 | abrotman | i'm nto sure though |
| 16:10.54 | eidolon | showed nothing at all. |
| 16:10.58 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: heh |
| 16:11.12 | Skaag | ouch, does not sound good :-) |
| 16:11.15 | eidolon | hmm. |
| 16:11.23 | calin | If i were to be booting under a live cd utilizing my own grub partition, what would inird-bar.gz be? |
| 16:11.28 | abrotman | eidolon: that's why i suggested you ask #ati ... |
| 16:11.32 | Kvant | eidolon, glxinfo|grep direct |
| 16:11.40 | valdyn_ | eidolon: because you have to type "sudo glxinfo | grep -i direct" |
| 16:11.45 | eidolon | dbs@hunter:/var/log$ sudo glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 16:11.45 | eidolon | direct rendering: Yes |
| 16:11.48 | eidolon | oh BITE ME |
| 16:11.55 | eidolon | *grrrrrrr* |
| 16:11.58 | abrotman | eidolon: it says it's enabled |
| 16:12.02 | jerome | FieldySnuts, noid, oki then, thank you |
| 16:12.05 | eidolon | yeah, i know - but only as root. |
| 16:12.05 | abrotman | sorry .. thought it was Direct |
| 16:12.06 | abrotman | not direct |
| 16:12.13 | abrotman | did you add the 666 line ? |
| 16:12.36 | Skaag | abrotman: check this out: http://www.nsa.co.il/cgi-bin/smokeping.cgi?target=World.Slashdot |
| 16:12.51 | Skaag | funny stuff |
| 16:12.52 | eidolon | to what? |
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| 16:13.00 | abrotman | eidolon: your X config |
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| 16:13.11 | abrotman | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting ... search for 0666 in that page |
| 16:13.13 | eidolon | hang on, jor is talking to me on #ati about this :) |
| 16:13.15 | eidolon | okay |
| 16:13.24 | valdyn_ | eidolon: Section "DRI" \ Mode 0666 \ EndSection ( \ indicates newline ) |
| 16:13.27 | calin | If i were to be booting under a live cd utilizing my own grub partition, what would inird-bar.gz be? |
| 16:13.30 | eidolon | k k k . hang on :) |
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| 16:13.46 | abrotman | Skaag: seems to be fine now |
| 16:14.03 | Skaag | yes my smokeping shows it's back up |
| 16:14.10 | valdyn_ | eidolon: or just keep using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, that poses the appropriate question |
| 16:14.28 | greycat | !tell me about qotd58 |
| 16:14.28 | eidolon | i just added that section, i'm gonna restart X. |
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| 16:16.17 | TheBarron | ok.. so basically from what I can tell, the Debian Security team disavows anything other than 'stable'... so how quickly do the security patches get to the testing branch? |
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| 16:16.32 | PerfDave | TheBarron: The testing branch doesn't get security updates. |
| 16:16.33 | abrotman | TheBarron: they first enter unstable .. then trickle in |
| 16:16.41 | abrotman | TheBarron: it doesn't get them directly |
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| 16:16.53 | abrotman | TheBarron: so basically .. at the DDs discretion .. sorry |
| 16:16.57 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 16:16.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing security issues is http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 16:16.59 | TheBarron | So it gets them hours/days/weeks/months later? |
| 16:17.05 | greycat | TheBarron: days/weeks |
| 16:17.07 | abrotman | years! |
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| 16:17.25 | PerfDave | TheBarron: The unstable branch gets version updates at the whim of the package maintainer, which may or may not include security fixes. Then those packages go from unstable into testing in the usual manner, any time between five days and never. |
| 16:17.29 | sussudio | hm slashdot and sourceforge load okay for me |
| 16:17.38 | abrotman | sussudio: now they do |
| 16:17.40 | greycat | two days is the minimum. |
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| 16:17.43 | TheBarron | damnit.. doesn't a good distro exist any more? :) |
| 16:17.51 | greycat | openbsd |
| 16:17.51 | PerfDave | TheBarron: Yes, it's called woody. |
| 16:17.59 | abrotman | TheBarron: for what purpose ? |
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| 16:18.55 | afaik | was my nick aformentioned? |
| 16:18.59 | TheBarron | well, I'd like a "free" and maintained linux, newer than 2.5 years old. Not necessarily with the stability of "stable", but doesn't have to be bleeding edge. However, timely security updates are important |
| 16:19.00 | greycat | not afaik |
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| 16:19.09 | thingfish | hehe |
| 16:19.10 | stew | afaik: afaik you could type /lastlog afaik |
| 16:19.20 | PerfDave | TheBarron: Would you also like the moon on a stick? |
| 16:19.26 | PerfDave | TheBarron: How about a pony? |
| 16:19.28 | TheBarron | please, thank you |
| 16:19.33 | jerome | what is debian policy concerning DVD burning atm ? I can read a lot of old posts concerning cdrecord issue, Jörg Schilling going crazy at major distros. What is it up to now ? patched cdrtools ? Can I use cdrecord to burn DVD ? |
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| 16:19.35 | abrotman | TheBarron: for a server? |
| 16:19.37 | simonrvn | or perhaps a chocolate cow? |
| 16:19.45 | thomas_adam | MilkMoo? |
| 16:19.51 | abrotman | !milk thomas_adam |
| 16:19.52 | sussudio | chocolate bunnies? |
| 16:20.01 | thomas_adam | hehehe. |
| 16:20.04 | simonrvn | even better ;p |
| 16:20.11 | sussudio | jesus died for your choc bunnies. |
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| 16:20.18 | TheBarron | abrotman: well.. most of my installs are for servers, yeah. But I don't think that means I should be stuck 2 1/2 years back.. |
| 16:20.27 | afaik | hahah |
| 16:20.30 | greycat | sussudio: I heard that every year, jesus comes back to life and lays eggs. |
| 16:21.08 | abrotman | TheBarron: dunno .. depends what it is doing .. say for DNS .. does it really matter .. Woody has bind9 for example |
| 16:21.22 | sussudio | greycat: the bunnies will rise one day and slay everyone at easter. |
| 16:21.26 | abrotman | TheBarron: now .. PHP might kind of suck .. but it could be worse .. you could be using potato :) |
| 16:21.33 | abrotman | !bunnicula sussudio |
| 16:21.34 | PerfDave | TheBarron: You seem to be erroneously thinking that there's something inherently wrong with older software. |
| 16:22.22 | Lord-Cereburus | !test |
| 16:22.22 | dpkg | Yes, lord-cereburus, you're still online. |
| 16:22.25 | simonrvn | there isn't. bugs get fixed, get added, etc. nothing wrong with that |
| 16:22.26 | Lord-Cereburus | hehe |
| 16:22.32 | eidolon | well, making slow progress. now glxinfo | grep -i direct shows: |
| 16:22.33 | TheBarron | PerfDave: no.. but experience tells me that newer software often requires newer software. And that even servers are hardly static in what you want to do with them |
| 16:22.40 | eidolon | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 16:22.51 | abrotman | ack! |
| 16:22.57 | abrotman | run for the hills! |
| 16:22.59 | PerfDave | TheBarron: Neither of those are good arguments against having a 2.5 year old stable branch ;) |
| 16:23.06 | abrotman | eidolon: also .. there is a #dri that you might query |
| 16:23.30 | abrotman | eidolon: hey .. i dont have ATI hardware .. i just installed X and the intel card worked :) |
| 16:23.31 | valdyn_ | TheBarron: you're free to run any of the less static debian releases |
| 16:23.37 | TheBarron | Hey.. I'm not arguing against Debian haveing a 2.5 year old stable branch. seriously. But it's not for me... I just expected a little more sanity in the newer branch(es) |
| 16:23.46 | abrotman | eidolon: that's why i paid a pile of cash for my laptop :) |
| 16:23.49 | PerfDave | TheBarron: What's insane about it? |
| 16:23.53 | TheBarron | valdyn_: which leads us back to my original question and the resultant answers :) |
| 16:23.56 | eidolon | *snurk* - hey, this is a pretty high end laptop :) (IBM T40) |
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| 16:24.03 | abrotman | eidolon: i have a G40 |
| 16:24.08 | eidolon | and my investor gave it to me, so i can't complain :) |
| 16:24.09 | PerfDave | TheBarron: The stable branch having security updates is standard policy for most distros, AIUI. |
| 16:24.13 | abrotman | eidolon: and everything works .. no special issues |
| 16:24.15 | simonrvn | i have a G236 |
| 16:24.16 | TheBarron | PerfDave: "a little more sanity" doesn't imply insanity.. so chill :) |
| 16:24.17 | eidolon | yea yea yea :) |
| 16:24.22 | abrotman | oh .. maybe the winmodem |
| 16:24.25 | eidolon | i'm -><- this close :) |
| 16:24.28 | TheBarron | PerfDave: I don't have a problem with your stable branch! :) |
| 16:24.29 | abrotman | eidolon: [] close ? |
| 16:24.35 | simonrvn | and she's got a G127431237306902458.1 |
| 16:24.37 | eidolon | nono! -><- this close! :) |
| 16:24.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:24.48 | eidolon | anyway. i'm googling and digging now. |
| 16:24.49 | PerfDave | TheBarron: I'm perfectly chilled, thanks. I'm just trying to see where your massive misconceptions are coming from. |
| 16:24.55 | simonrvn | anyone can dick wave.... |
| 16:25.03 | abrotman | simonrvn: i can't see yours |
| 16:25.10 | simonrvn | PerfDave: shaken, not stirred i hope? |
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| 16:25.19 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Peltier-device cooled. |
| 16:25.26 | simonrvn | abrotman: i'll show you mine if you show me yours |
| 16:25.33 | simonrvn | PerfDave: oooh |
| 16:25.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: i have no webcam at work :) |
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| 16:25.56 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/100/100 105/ |
| 16:25.56 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 16:26.30 | PerfDave | Bah, I can't find a CLI-based tool to probe the temperature sensors on my motherboard. The best I've got is sensord which logs to syslog. |
| 16:26.52 | valdyn_ | PerfDave: "sensors" ? |
| 16:26.55 | simonrvn | grep temp /proc/cpuinfo ;p |
| 16:26.56 | cmug | mbmon? |
| 16:27.07 | abrotman | cat ? |
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| 16:27.13 | abrotman | watch ? |
| 16:27.21 | simonrvn | dog? |
| 16:27.56 | abrotman | llama! |
| 16:27.56 | hlux | hi, whats the easiest way to install jdk5.0 on debian/woody ? |
| 16:27.56 | greycat | hlux: /msg dpkg java |
| 16:28.01 | PerfDave | Hmm, /proc/cpuinfo doesn't seem to have any temperature information. |
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| 16:28.39 | abrotman | PerfDave: /proc/acpi maybe ? |
| 16:28.47 | hlux | greycat : thanks |
| 16:29.13 | eidolon | (II) RADEON(0): Largest offscreen area available: 2048 x 2556 |
| 16:29.13 | eidolon | (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled |
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| 16:29.18 | abrotman | !cluebat eidolon |
| 16:29.20 | abrotman | :) |
| 16:29.26 | eidolon | owie. |
| 16:30.25 | simonrvn | PerfDave: funny, does here, temperature : 35 C (uncalibrated) |
| 16:31.11 | valdyn_ | eidolon: I stumbled over quite a few howtos for your thinkpad w/ radeon 9000 when setting up my own, usually they recommended to use atis proprietary driver, just fyi |
| 16:31.23 | eidolon | i'm using it :) |
| 16:31.24 | abrotman | eidolon: did you check linux-laptop.net for your model ? |
| 16:31.37 | eidolon | actually, jor may have found it. |
| 16:31.42 | valdyn_ | eidolon: RADEON(0) is NOT fglrx |
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| 16:31.50 | abrotman | no .. i don't think it is |
| 16:32.04 | eidolon | WW) RADEON(0): Static buffer allocation failed -- need at least 36864 kB video memory |
| 16:32.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:32.19 | eidolon | one moment please, changing resolutions :) |
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| 16:33.45 | abrotman | but isn't that why they have xrandr ? |
| 16:34.45 | Pappa | anyone good with iptables? |
| 16:34.55 | shadfc | probably ;) |
| 16:35.02 | shadfc | whats the q |
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| 16:35.44 | p30n | hello |
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| 16:35.54 | Pappa | i want to "redirect" every request from my local network, 192.168.0.x, that goes to a specific IP address on a specific port. |
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| 16:36.21 | abrotman | Pappa: #iptables |
| 16:36.22 | Pappa | say it wants to connect to 32.12.16.18:2680, and i tell it to connect to 192.168.0.1:2680 |
| 16:36.26 | Pappa | ait |
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| 16:36.47 | valdyn_ | Pappa: www.lartc.org |
| 16:36.53 | abrotman | netfilter.org ? |
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| 16:39.00 | eidolon | SCOOOOOOOORRRREEEE! |
| 16:39.03 | eidolon | 4191 frames in 5.0 seconds = 838.200 FPS |
| 16:39.14 | eidolon | and now, off to play some bzflag. |
| 16:39.16 | p30n | question: I want to make my sarge box more like the nix distro on IPcop.org, like with the network statistics and all that, and i want it to act like a firewall at the same time, and gateway router etc all that, is there something i can do to my sarge install to make it something like ipcop or some programs or whatever? |
| 16:39.20 | chrysopa | \exit |
| 16:39.22 | chrysopa | exit |
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| 16:39.28 | sml | chrysopa: /signoff |
| 16:39.28 | abrotman | eidolon: that's it ? |
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| 16:39.33 | abrotman | all that for that? |
| 16:39.34 | PerfDave | p30n: Why not just run ipcop? |
| 16:40.09 | eidolon | all that for that. *nod* |
| 16:40.15 | abrotman | eidolon: that wasn't full screen was it ? |
| 16:40.17 | p30n | PerfDave: its another distro, and i want my sarge as it is, altho i could get me another computer to do the job but thats a 40bucks or so |
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| 16:40.21 | eidolon | well. and quake. and cedega. and tuxracer. and and and. |
| 16:40.23 | eidolon | no, that was in a window. |
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| 16:40.43 | abrotman | eidolon: uhm .. dunno if resolution really makes a difference .. but i get about 1000 ... i think you got robbed :) |
| 16:40.50 | abrotman | and mine is from intel :) |
| 16:41.02 | greycat | fglrx is a horrible driver. |
| 16:41.03 | eidolon | i think you're a little faster than mine. this is a 1.4gig machine |
| 16:41.15 | eidolon | and cmon, i'm jumping up from 200-ish fps :) |
| 16:41.16 | abrotman | eidolon: goodie .. that's your CPU .. not your video card |
| 16:41.16 | Garp | Hi, is there any irc channel to follow informations about the "software pattent directive" that was just validated by the EU ? Thanks. |
| 16:41.24 | sml | Is there an opengl xboard-esque board for chess engines like crafty ? |
| 16:41.27 | abrotman | eidolon: and you have a 1.4M .. i have a P4 2.4 |
| 16:41.29 | eidolon | yes, i know that, but it does have an impact :) |
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| 16:41.44 | abrotman | eidolon: well .. i guess you can play tuxracer now |
| 16:41.46 | OrionBerlin | !bootscreen |
| 16:41.49 | eidolon | i can! |
| 16:42.11 | lei | hello |
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| 16:43.16 | shadfc | anything special i need to do to run a 2.6 kernel with sarge? (dist-upgrade from woody) |
| 16:43.32 | abrotman | shadfc: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one you want .. install it |
| 16:44.14 | shadfc | but that isnt 'special' ;) thanks |
| 16:44.43 | Garp | shadfc: is there not some initrd stuff to do ? |
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| 16:44.51 | adem | help me pls |
| 16:45.23 | greycat | we don't know how to pls, so we can't help you do it. |
| 16:45.33 | abrotman | Garp: only when you go from a non-initrd to initrd .. welll usually then |
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| 16:45.50 | abrotman | wait .. i think that's dirty ? |
| 16:46.02 | greycat | abrotman: I wouldn't know. I'm always dirty. |
| 16:46.16 | abrotman | greycat: scared of the water? |
| 16:46.27 | greycat | abrotman: the other kind... |
| 16:46.40 | abrotman | heh |
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| 16:50.31 | hlux | i can't install java-package...because of broken dependencies...is there nother way to install jdk5.0 on debian/woody ? |
| 16:51.25 | lwordh | hi. recently did apt-get dist-upgrade in testing, now apache doesn't start- no errors, it says it starts, but no processes are created. /usr/sbin/apache -X gives segfault. anybody heard of anything like this? |
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| 16:51.51 | greycat | !bts |
| 16:51.51 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or ... |
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| 16:55.09 | NaRCoT | When I'm trying to run X programs with root I get this next error: 'Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 16:55.09 | NaRCoT | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 16:55.09 | NaRCoT | xhost: unable to open display ":0.0"' I couldn't find any good howto about that... Any ideas? |
| 16:55.17 | The_Ball | anyone here use IMQ devices? |
| 16:55.32 | PerfDave | NaRCoT: /msg dpkg sux |
| 16:55.40 | Garp | NaRCoT: yes, root doesnt have right to access your user screen |
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| 16:56.05 | treestone | NaRCoT: You could do: exit; ssh -l root localhost; xterm |
| 16:56.08 | NaRCoT | Garp, So how am I supposed to use 'xset' commands ? |
| 16:56.18 | Garp | NaRCoT: "man xauth" for a full solution. If you are the only user of your machine, the less secure ("xhost +local:" (in a user terminal) will work. |
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| 16:56.26 | sat311373 | hi all |
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| 16:57.05 | sat311373 | It seems my ettercap-NG-0.7.1 only catches UDP packets, what's the problem? |
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| 16:57.11 | Pappa | NaRCoT: dont use a login shell |
| 16:57.12 | NaRCoT | Garp, PerfDave, Thanks :) |
| 16:57.17 | PerfDave | Garp, NaRCoT: Or you could use "sux" instead of "su" to handle xauth for you automatically. |
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| 16:57.59 | NaRCoT | treestone, What's 'ssh -l root localhost' ? |
| 16:58.09 | treestone | NaRCoT: xset? Just do it. As the logged-in user. (I.e. the one owning the X server running) |
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| 16:58.20 | Garp | PerfDave: is that a standard tool ? |
| 16:58.35 | treestone | NaRCoT: That is logging in as root, with ssh, which will handle the DISPLAY issue for you. It's an alternative to e.g. sux |
| 16:58.39 | Garp | NaRCoT: ssh -X would even be better (would work too) |
| 16:58.55 | PerfDave | Garp: Pretty standard. apt-get install sux. |
| 16:59.02 | Garp | PerfDave: thanks. |
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| 16:59.20 | treestone | Well, I always configure ssh to use X (otherwise it'll be pretty useless for me), so I never remember mentioning the -X |
| 16:59.23 | NaRCoT | thank you all ! I'll try 'sux' |
| 16:59.37 | thomas_adam | or... gtksu |
| 16:59.52 | treestone | NaRCoT: Again, why do you want to be root? Using xset won't need it. |
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| 16:59.58 | Garp | this is a sux that doesnt suks |
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| 17:00.12 | sat311373 | My ettercap-NG-0.7.1 only catches UDP connections, what's the problem? |
| 17:00.30 | NaRCoT | treestone, I want to add xfs port using 'xset' and normal user don't have permissions for that.... |
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| 17:01.17 | treestone | NaRCoT: xset+xfs? Ok, that's outside my league. |
| 17:01.47 | NaRCoT | treestone, You have to do it for adding RTL langueges |
| 17:01.54 | treestone | ok |
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| 17:02.29 | adamb100 | Hello |
| 17:02.31 | Gart_ | Just put in a 300gig seagate, but after formatting it with fdisk and using mkreiserfs on hdb1 (the only partition) it said bread: Cannot read the block (73258399): (Input/output error). |
| 17:02.48 | Gart_ | Said it was a hardware problem, but it's a brand new hdd |
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| 17:03.05 | mwilson | Well, you used reiser, whish isn't anything but a mistake, but does your kernel and your hardware support a HD of such size? |
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| 17:03.20 | adamb100 | Debian won't work. It stops booting up when all the text and stuff is scrolling up the screen |
| 17:03.28 | NaRCoT | Anyone here added Right To Left Langueges ? |
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| 17:03.43 | paddy | hi |
| 17:03.45 | LSorense | Gart_: new hardware is the most likely to have problems. if it works when you get it, it usually keeps working for a long time |
| 17:03.46 | valdyn_ | adamb100: which debian? |
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| 17:03.56 | adamb100 | It stops after "Ingnoring PCI display devices" valdyN; sarge |
| 17:04.08 | valdyn_ | adamb100: and for what purpose is that system? |
| 17:04.12 | Gart_ | my kernel supports it, and the hardware isn't that old, only maybe 5 years |
| 17:04.18 | LSorense | Gart_: many companies find that it is cheaper to not to extensive testing of ever item, but instead just deal with defective items using the warrenty. |
| 17:04.36 | valdyn_ | Gart_: thats more than enough not to support 300G disks |
| 17:04.39 | treestone | Gart_: Look at dmesg for errors. |
| 17:04.46 | adamb100 | Purpose of it is to get a good feel of it and learn about Linux |
| 17:04.55 | Gart_ | hmm, alright, thanks |
| 17:04.56 | LSorense | Gart_: oh and 137G is the limit on any ide controller htat is not LBA48 compliant. |
| 17:05.10 | valdyn_ | adamb100: which installer are you using? |
| 17:05.18 | adamb100 | I did the network install |
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| 17:05.28 | valdyn_ | adamb100: woody network install? |
| 17:05.29 | Gart_ | Yeah, I read that-- how about if I made 3 100gig paritions instead of one large one? |
| 17:05.30 | LSorense | Gart_: most UDMA133 controllers do LBA48, while most UDMA100 and lower do not. |
| 17:05.38 | valdyn_ | !d-i adamb100 |
| 17:05.39 | dpkg | adamb100, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:05.43 | valdyn_ | adamb100: or that ^^^ ? |
| 17:05.43 | LSorense | Gart_: no the hardware does not PHYSICALLY support more than 137G drives |
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| 17:05.51 | LSorense | Gart_: partitions is software, and hence irrelevant |
| 17:05.52 | PerfDave | valdyn_: adamb100 said he was running sarge already. |
| 17:05.59 | Gart_ | ah, I see |
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| 17:06.17 | adamb100 | Yeah, I'm running the sarge version |
| 17:06.24 | LSorense | Gart_: so either, get a cheap promise Ultra UDMA133 controller card, or use a drive that is 120G or so |
| 17:06.30 | Gart_ | How about flashing my bios? |
| 17:06.36 | valdyn_ | adamb100: hit F1 on the first screen , read, try linux26 |
| 17:06.40 | mwilson | Gart_: You just don't listen, do you? |
| 17:06.48 | LSorense | Gart_: it is very unlikely a motherboard maker has made a bios update to support drives over 137G. |
| 17:06.54 | Gart_ | mwilson: trying my very best |
| 17:07.01 | LSorense | Gart_: I believe the bios isn't enough, I think the IDE chipset needed changes |
| 17:07.02 | mwilson | Gart_: Obviously not. |
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| 17:07.11 | FieldySnuts | easiest route is another controller. |
| 17:07.13 | LSorense | Gart_: but I am not 100% sure on that part |
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| 17:07.17 | FieldySnuts | probably bef aster too |
| 17:07.24 | adamb100 | valdyn: Hiut F1 when Linux boots up? |
| 17:07.26 | Gart_ | LSorense: thanks, that was what I was unclear about |
| 17:07.28 | LSorense | Gart_: unfortunately adding new features is not something bios updates usually do |
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| 17:07.41 | FieldySnuts | Gart_: if you go that route, my advise is to stay away from ide "raid" cards, they very, very rarely are 100% raid and are thus usually a waste of money |
| 17:07.45 | FieldySnuts | advice |
| 17:07.47 | mwilson | LSorense: Oh, I dunno... this Dell I have sitting here had a BIOS upgrade to support LBA48, but the hardware was already capable of it, so *nix never knew the difference. :) |
| 17:07.48 | paddy | is this a known problem in Sarge that during bootup a message tells "PostgreSQL postmaster didnt start for an unknown reason" but the daemon is running? |
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| 17:07.51 | LSorense | Gart_: although the 32G bug was fixed in bios updates on some boards, but that was a bios bug, not a hardware limit |
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| 17:08.10 | valdyn_ | adamb100: hmm, i got confused, i thought you were hanging when using the installer |
| 17:08.11 | lauragpl | hi, i get a unable to open inital console when booting on a new kernel |
| 17:08.16 | adamb100 | valdyn: I already got Debian installed. |
| 17:08.16 | mwilson | paddy: Does the BTS say that it is? |
| 17:08.27 | LSorense | mwilson: yeah upgrading the bios to support hardware features make sense, but if the hardware can't do it, you are stuck, and I don't know if the hardware could do LBA48 in the past if the bios was updated |
| 17:08.29 | lauragpl | what is the most common problem to solve for that? |
| 17:08.30 | jethro | howdi |
| 17:08.32 | FieldySnuts | lauragpl: do you have /dev/console and /dev/null ? if you don't, you'll need to create them (mknod) |
| 17:08.46 | Ferret | FieldySnuts: Bah, you're too fast. :P |
| 17:08.49 | FieldySnuts | lauragpl: and anyone here will be able to tell you the major, minor numbers |
| 17:09.08 | adamb100 | valdyn: I tried booting in its safemode that didn't work. Not sure what to do |
| 17:09.08 | FieldySnuts | I rule |
| 17:09.12 | lauragpl | thankx FieldySnuts i have those |
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| 17:09.16 | valdyn_ | adamb100: find out where it hangs |
| 17:09.23 | Gart_ | Thanks for the help-- I'll just put the 300 gig on the new comp upstairs and just put 2 120's on this |
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| 17:09.27 | Pappa | 5, 1 : console, 1, 3: null |
| 17:09.28 | lauragpl | I saw that it could be a problem cos i dont have a initrd |
| 17:09.30 | FieldySnuts | lauragpl: weird. I don't know then, because I have seen that, and that was the problem for me. |
| 17:09.41 | FieldySnuts | maybe the major/minor numbers are wrong, check those (ls -l) |
| 17:09.43 | mwilson | adamb100: "safemode"? |
| 17:09.55 | adamb100 | It hangs right after "USB" on "Ingnoring PCI Display devices" |
| 17:10.18 | valdyn_ | adamb100: so hotplug hangs? |
| 17:10.41 | adamb100 | valdyn: I guess. Whatever that is :p |
| 17:10.41 | lauragpl | Pappa, what does it mean the numbers?how do i find them |
| 17:10.44 | mwilson | adamb100: So, are you using Knoppix, or Ubuntu? |
| 17:10.44 | Pappa | lauragpl: mknod /dev/console c 5 1 && mknod /dev/null c 1 3 |
| 17:11.02 | adamb100 | mwilson: Debian, plain old sarge debian |
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| 17:11.07 | valdyn_ | adamb100: disconnect usb devices, disable usb in bios |
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| 17:11.12 | adamb100 | ok |
| 17:11.15 | adamb100 | thanx |
| 17:11.20 | mwilson | adamb100: Then what is "safemode" supposed to mean? |
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| 17:11.41 | lauragpl | Pappa, file exists |
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| 17:11.47 | Kawwz | www.otomotivshow.com WEBSITE HOSTING RESELLER DOMAIN |
| 17:11.51 | adamb100 | Wait though, my mouse & keyboard is USB so I wouldn't be able to do a whole lot |
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| 17:12.13 | valdyn_ | guess that reall was "recovery mode" |
| 17:12.29 | lauragpl | what kind of modules can cause trouble when booting? |
| 17:12.30 | adamb100 | recoverry mode, yeah thats it :p |
| 17:12.46 | lauragpl | may be if i run them as part of the kernel it will boot... |
| 17:12.49 | valdyn_ | adamb100: just unplug mouse then |
| 17:13.14 | LSorense | Gart_: looks like it is a hardware limit in many older ide chipsets. they can be made to do LBA48 by the kernel in PIO only, while in DMA they usually fail. newer hardware of course supports LBA48 natively. |
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| 17:13.14 | greycat | Oh wait. K-lined. |
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| 17:13.21 | adamb100 | It's a MS wireless combo, so if I unplugin the unit, the keyboard & mouse goes |
| 17:13.26 | valdyn_ | adamb100: now, i think there was bioses that could map your usb keyboard to ps2, i dont know, do it if you can |
| 17:13.28 | mwilson | Considering what a UDMA133 controller costs, if you have the slot for it, there's no reason not to do it. |
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| 17:14.03 | LSorense | mwilson: if it was me I would buy a SATA card instead :) |
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| 17:14.12 | valdyn_ | adamb100: then theres various other usb-related bios settings, like disabling usb2 and somesuch, just try |
| 17:14.23 | adamb100 | ok |
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| 17:14.56 | nostalg1c | can apache1 do webdav? |
| 17:15.02 | sp00kz | yes |
| 17:15.38 | mwilson | LSorense: If the drive is PATA, a SATA card doesn't help you much. |
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| 17:16.48 | LSorense | mwilson: well I don't personally buy PATA drives anymore either. :) |
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| 17:18.37 | dippo | so I just installed socks4-clients on a debian woody machine and I see a manpage for rtelnet but no executable |
| 17:18.40 | dippo | am I losing my mind? |
| 17:18.54 | paddy | after a fresh Debian Sarge install i setup PostgreSQL and got no errors. but on bootup i receive the error message "postmaster did not start because of an unknown reason". when i manually execute /etc/init.d/postgresql it says the daemon is already running. and ideas how i can troubleshoot that? |
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| 17:20.07 | Nijan | Escuse me, is possible to find a builded debian sarge with anaconda installer or i have to do by myself? |
| 17:20.18 | jethro | back in black! |
| 17:20.24 | blindboygrunt | Nijan: yes, it is |
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| 17:20.55 | blindboygrunt | Nijan: there is an iso that get's updated weekly |
| 17:20.56 | Nijan | Where? I'm googling but i find only tutorial only using site:debian.org |
| 17:21.01 | mwilson | Nijan: Why is it so important to have Anaconda? |
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| 17:21.26 | PerfDave | Debian has a very nice installer. |
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| 17:21.34 | adamb100 | valdyn: That didn't work |
| 17:21.43 | mwilson | Debian has a suck-ass installer... its saving grace is that it works. |
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| 17:22.00 | adamb100 | I tried disabling USB, no luck |
| 17:22.08 | PerfDave | mwilson: I thought you'd like it, it's not graphical ;) |
| 17:22.13 | valdyn_ | adamb100: even if you disable usb, then it hangs? |
| 17:22.15 | Nijan | Because we're having a learning course on Linux and we decided to use debian-sarge + anaconda instead of ubuntu |
| 17:22.20 | mwilson | d-i inherits bootfloppies major problem and adds several of its own. |
| 17:22.24 | adamb100 | valdyn: Yeah, it hangs |
| 17:22.31 | blindboygrunt | Nijan: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/ |
| 17:22.42 | PerfDave | mwilson: I guess we should all just use Ubuntu, that doesn't use d-i ;) |
| 17:23.09 | Nijan | thanks. |
| 17:23.10 | valdyn_ | adamb100: ok, try this, append to your kernel line in grub: init=/bin/bash |
| 17:23.12 | mwilson | PerfDave: Ubuntu's installer might as well be d-i. |
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| 17:23.25 | adamb100 | valdyn: How? |
| 17:23.37 | blindboygrunt | Nijan: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ go to the bottom of the page - testing dist |
| 17:23.40 | mwilson | PerfDave: It's just as non-linear. |
| 17:23.45 | valdyn_ | adamb100: see if you get a shell, then i would mv /etc/init.d/hotplug /etc/init.d/hotplug.doesntwork |
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| 17:24.07 | TummyAcid | is it a big deal to use sid packages in sarge? i am wrestling with the madwifi package and the only way ive got everything to work it by using a page that uses sid packages instead, but the last step was completed error free but when i type 'modprobe ath_pci' it says it cannot find the module though ive copied it by hand to /lib/modules/2.6.8/net/ |
| 17:24.14 | valdyn_ | adamb100: or use some kidn of boot cd ( knoppix ), mount your harddisk and do just that |
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| 17:24.42 | TummyAcid | if i use the make install script it copies a bunch of files with the extension .ko |
| 17:24.44 | valdyn_ | adamb100: youre using grub, right? select your boot entry, hit E, easy |
| 17:24.45 | TummyAcid | instead of .o |
| 17:24.48 | Nijan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.51 | adamb100 | thanx |
| 17:25.02 | drac | TummyAcid: that's /lib/modules/kernel-version/kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 17:25.30 | drac | TummyAcid: and 'depmod -ae' might be required to calculate module depencies again. |
| 17:25.47 | blindboygrunt | Nijan: it's just a sarge install cd iso location - i guess the install is anaconda |
| 17:25.54 | pearl | how many ports exist? |
| 17:25.54 | TummyAcid | thanx |
| 17:26.02 | jk3 | TummyAcid: use `insmod /complete/path/module.ko` |
| 17:26.33 | pearl | ??? |
| 17:26.37 | jk3 | TummyAcid: but try depmod, like drac said, first |
| 17:26.37 | greycat | pearl: TCP ports? |
| 17:26.43 | greycat | BSD ports? |
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| 17:26.49 | greycat | ports with boats in 'em? |
| 17:26.51 | pearl | netports |
| 17:26.52 | Nijan | blindboygrunt, a month ago i downloaded a sarge and it doesn't cointain anaconda installer |
| 17:26.54 | TummyAcid | grrrr still not found i copied them to the new location and tried depmod |
| 17:26.57 | greycat | pearl: 1 through 65535 |
| 17:26.59 | pearl | network ports |
| 17:27.00 | TummyAcid | even did update-modules to be safe |
| 17:27.03 | TummyAcid | stil not found |
| 17:27.15 | TummyAcid | i dont understand every went perfect until the final modprobe |
| 17:27.17 | sp00kz | technicly 0 is a port too |
| 17:27.47 | Nijan | And i did'nt see any news about anaconda on debian weelky :/ |
| 17:28.08 | TummyAcid | ok im trying complete path |
| 17:28.31 | Leafw | de PS/2 port for the mouse is /dev/psaux pr /dev/input/mice ? |
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| 17:29.15 | TummyAcid | ARG says not found even though i typed the full path and pressed tab so there are no typos |
| 17:29.20 | jk3 | Leafw: mostly there is a /dev/mouse symlink you might use |
| 17:29.22 | TummyAcid | and im looking at it |
| 17:29.27 | blindboygrunt | Nijan: i guess you could try progeny, that has an anaconda installer, i understand |
| 17:29.28 | TummyAcid | it is there |
| 17:29.36 | mwilson | Nijan: There are no official Sarge images that use Anaconda. |
| 17:29.42 | mwilson | Nijan: I thought that was obvious. |
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| 17:29.48 | Leafw | jk3 : I'm at the installation menu, and I have unfortunatelly pushed return too fast. |
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| 17:30.02 | Leafw | jk3 : can't read the last page where it was explained. |
| 17:30.12 | TummyAcid | this makes no sense i am looking at the file it is there why cant modprobe find it? |
| 17:30.15 | blindboygrunt | mwilson: what is anaconda, i'm confused - i thought it was just the install p rogram |
| 17:30.57 | treestone | blindboygrunt: Anaconda is the RE |
| 17:31.02 | treestone | Redhat/Fedora installer |
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| 17:31.41 | mwilson | blindboygrunt: If you don't know what it is, why were you telling him where he could get it? |
| 17:31.47 | blindboygrunt | good point |
| 17:31.50 | blindboygrunt | lol |
| 17:31.53 | blindboygrunt | my mistake |
| 17:31.54 | TummyAcid | insmod wlan worked |
| 17:32.22 | TummyAcid | but changes nothing |
| 17:32.29 | jk3 | Leafw: you're configuring X, right? you always can do that later again and again. dpkg-reconfigure xserver or xconf or xconfig, or... |
| 17:32.34 | valdyn_ | TummyAcid: dont use insmod? |
| 17:32.51 | mwilson | Anaconda is the DeadRat installer. Progeny ported it to Debian. I don't know if anything more has been done with it that that. Every once in a while morons show up on debian-user whining about how it should be immediately adopted. They get ignored. |
| 17:33.02 | Nijan | mwilson, yes i read, there's an unofficial distribution could be used? i see progeny has 14 missing features |
| 17:33.03 | TummyAcid | if i use modprobe it cannot find the module even with the full path specified |
| 17:33.15 | TummyAcid | if i use insmod it finds it but nothing else seems to happen |
| 17:33.16 | Nijan | We cannot teach with something doesn't work :) |
| 17:33.38 | Leafw | jk3 : ok, thank you. |
| 17:33.43 | valdyn_ | TummyAcid: you are trying "modprobe wlan.ko" ? |
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| 17:34.04 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: What are you trying to teach? |
| 17:34.04 | mwilson | Nijan: I have no idea if someone is producing an image with Anaconda or not. What would be the point? |
| 17:34.27 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Apparently they're having a class on the *installer*, rather than the OS. |
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| 17:34.48 | Nijan | We're tryng to have a base course on GNU/Linux, and we less than a week to decide which distro could be used. |
| 17:34.53 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Installation programs change a lot. |
| 17:35.04 | Nijan | We've tried ubuntu but it doesn't work perfectly. |
| 17:35.07 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: What features do you need? |
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| 17:35.23 | Nijan | We just need a debian with an intuitive installer. |
| 17:35.24 | TummyAcid | instuctions said to use 'modprobe ath_pci' but every modprobe i use says cannot find the file |
| 17:35.30 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Sarge. |
| 17:35.31 | Nijan | or a deb-based os. |
| 17:35.34 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Sarge. |
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| 17:35.44 | Nijan | Isn't intuitive installer. |
| 17:35.45 | TummyAcid | someone here suggested insmod which i KNOW is not recomended but its the only one that at least finds the modules wtih a full path |
| 17:35.51 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: In what way? |
| 17:36.10 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Why do you need it to be Debian-based? |
| 17:36.13 | saloxin | whats a good way to graph simple things like f(x)=2x+50 with debian? |
| 17:36.18 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Tried Knoppix? |
| 17:36.21 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: Sarge's installer isn't an intuitive one. |
| 17:36.26 | Nijan | I mean click next and go.. like anaco da. |
| 17:36.30 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: It's a working one, instead. |
| 17:36.31 | TummyAcid | so ive insmodded every .ko file except ath_pci becasue it gives errors which is better then the modprobe error of not even finding the file i am staring at |
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| 17:36.38 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Afaik Fedora's is pretty simple. |
| 17:36.38 | jk3 | TummyAcid: did you write stuff into you're /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 17:36.48 | Nijan | ricky_clarkson, doesn't support hw installation on the latest release i read. |
| 17:36.56 | jk3 | TummyAcid: I mean specific to your module |
| 17:36.58 | adamb100 | valdyn: didn't work |
| 17:37.01 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: What doesn't? |
| 17:37.13 | Nijan | installation on hard disk, sorry. |
| 17:37.15 | TummyAcid | ill edit /etc/modules.conf now though the instructions didnt mention the file |
| 17:37.16 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: What doesn't? |
| 17:37.27 | jk3 | TummyAcid: it might need that. if the module isn't called that way you call it for example |
| 17:37.40 | mwilson | Nijan: Fedora doesn't? That's an... interesting argument. |
| 17:37.42 | adamb100 | valdyn: All I get is hotplug not found |
| 17:37.44 | Nijan | knoppix. |
| 17:38.05 | TummyAcid | though it says in LARGE letter 'DO NOT MODIFY THIS FILE' |
| 17:38.06 | Nijan | the problem is that some people doesn't want to work with .rpm. |
| 17:38.12 | mwilson | Nijan: Knoppix doesn't? You're joking, right? Cluebies install Knoppix on their HD every day. |
| 17:38.33 | Nijan | Not still mwilson i read. |
| 17:38.33 | mwilson | Nijan: Why? .rp or .deb, makes no difference. |
| 17:38.42 | Nijan | mwilson, it makes. |
| 17:38.53 | Nijan | yum is damned slow, official repositories sux, |
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| 17:38.58 | valdyn_ | adamb100: eh? |
| 17:39.04 | Nijan | and usually you have some problem with dependencies. |
| 17:39.12 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Q: Can one also install the distribution from the CD onto a hard drive? |
| 17:39.13 | valdyn_ | adamb100: _when_ do you get that? |
| 17:39.13 | FieldySnuts | it's fedora. it's basically redhat. these are not coincidences |
| 17:39.14 | nvz | Nijan: these live cds were created with a debian package called bootcd which contains scripts to both take a running debian system and move it to a cd, and back again. |
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| 17:39.25 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: A: In principal, yes (after all, the "master" system also runs on a hard |
| 17:39.29 | jk3 | TummyAcid: it is auto generated out of /etc/modules.d/ or something, it would be overwritten by modules-update. that's why there is that warining |
| 17:39.30 | ricky_clarkson | drive before it is burned to CD). |
| 17:39.36 | adamb100 | valdyn: I booted into the Debian cd to get a shell. I typed in what ya told me and it said hotplug not found |
| 17:39.53 | valdyn_ | adamb100: you have to mount your root partition first |
| 17:39.56 | TummyAcid | so i should edit /etc/modules.d |
| 17:40.00 | jk3 | TummyAcid: you probably didn't reboot for a while after messing with the modules? maybe now is the time. |
| 17:40.14 | valdyn_ | adamb100: on that partition, in /etc/init.d/, there is hotplug |
| 17:40.18 | valdyn_ | adamb100: on that partition, in etc/init.d/, there is hotplug |
| 17:40.37 | nvz | damn how long can it possibly take for recover to search .. heh I narrowed it down to one user, within a weeks time |
| 17:40.56 | Nijan | i found this. |
| 17:40.57 | Nijan | www.kanotix.com |
| 17:41.02 | TummyAcid | alright ill reboot but i really hate to think that is how we solve things in the linux worl;d |
| 17:41.17 | TummyAcid | thank you for your help guys |
| 17:41.23 | jk3 | TummyAcid: /etc/modutils is the place. |
| 17:41.37 | jk3 | TummyAcid: kernel stuff needs reboot, or is best |
| 17:41.47 | adamb100 | valdyn: What hd is the root partition? |
| 17:42.02 | nvz | this is my first time using gtkrecover.. I sure hope its a lot more friendly than recover for restoring massive ammounts of files |
| 17:42.10 | Nijan | knoppix have problems with dist-upgrade. |
| 17:42.19 | jk3 | TummyAcid: give it a try, would be a shame if you search an hour or so for the real thing if a reboot would do it |
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| 17:42.26 | nvz | I don't want to have to type inode numbers for a billion files |
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| 17:43.31 | mwilson | Nijan: "Problems?" Of course Knoppix would have "problems" with dist-upgrade... it's not dist-upgrade-able. There are no Knoppix repositories for it to upgrade from. What would you expect it to be upgrading TO? |
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| 17:44.04 | mwilson | Nijan: Knoppix is a versioned distribution. |
| 17:44.06 | Nijan | I told you we need a useful deb based os. |
| 17:44.21 | Nijan | Is not useful for us a distro that doesn't upgrade. |
| 17:44.29 | Nijan | http://kanotix.com/info/index.php i found that. |
| 17:44.34 | mwilson | Nijan: And you've been given several alternatives, all of which you've dismissed for entirely silly reasons. |
| 17:44.40 | ricky_clarkson | Nijan: Debian is a useful Debian-based distribution. |
| 17:44.46 | treestone | Nijan: As far as I can recall the woody installer was mostly "press enter till you're through" |
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| 17:45.01 | Nijan | Yes but is horrible for newbie. |
| 17:45.02 | nvz | Nijan: try debian, and quit talking politics here. this isnt a developers channel. If you have ideas, go do something about it. Install debian, create the system you vision, run bootcd on it ffs. |
| 17:45.12 | treestone | Nijan: In what way? Wrong colours? |
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| 17:45.26 | Nijan | treestone, yes :) |
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| 17:45.30 | mwilson | Nijan: Newbies have no business installing operating systems. |
| 17:45.31 | Nijan | Something like this. |
| 17:45.38 | solemn03 | hi all |
| 17:46.03 | Nijan | I didn't started talking politics here, i just asked if exists a anaconda based debian distro. |
| 17:46.15 | mwilson | Nijan: And you were told no. |
| 17:46.33 | ZoL | hi all, i'm searching some help about installing sarge netinstall, when searching to connect to an ftp source with apt-get, the system respond can't find list file ?? |
| 17:46.38 | Nijan | <blindboygrunt>Nijan: it's just a sarge install cd iso location - i guess the install is anaconda |
| 17:46.39 | solemn03 | im setting up a router for a friend but the iptables rules keep disapeering |
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| 17:46.52 | nvz | Nijan: thats a question for google, distrowatch, linuxiso..etc |
| 17:46.53 | solemn03 | any1 had this problem or know how to fix it? |
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| 17:47.06 | mwilson | Nijan: Haven't you paid attention at all to the conversation? He didn't even know what Anaconda *was*. |
| 17:47.06 | greycat | solemn03: stop rebooting? |
| 17:47.07 | caphuso | solemn03: you mean disappear when rebooting? |
| 17:47.17 | solemn03 | yeah |
| 17:47.22 | greycat | duh... |
| 17:47.27 | mwilson | solemn03: Uh, that's supposed to work that way. |
| 17:47.28 | chealer | ZoL: did you try apt-setup? |
| 17:47.29 | solemn03 | and once while it was running |
| 17:47.30 | caphuso | veru duh |
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| 17:47.41 | caphuso | s/ru/ry |
| 17:47.55 | ZoL | chealer : yes, i've tried. But It's during the installation process |
| 17:47.58 | nvz | damn this could sure use a fucking progress bar :P |
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| 17:48.20 | nvz | I have no idea the timeframe in which I am waiting for debugfs |
| 17:48.34 | adamb100 | How do I mount the root partition? |
| 17:48.46 | ZoL | chealer : no pb to connect to the ftp, but i can't retrieve the package file |
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| 17:48.51 | nvz | adamb100: you don't |
| 17:48.54 | chealer | ZoL: the usability for that is limited. if you use DSL for example you can't setup and it will give you errors. what's your connexion? |
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| 17:49.10 | ZoL | chealer : adsl |
| 17:49.11 | chealer | ZoL: ah, I don't know then |
| 17:49.13 | nvz | adamb100: if there isn't a root partition mounted, you have no shell, no mount command, nothing |
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| 17:49.32 | ZoL | ok, thanks chealer |
| 17:49.33 | mwilson | nvz: Uh, not so. |
| 17:49.42 | chealer | ZoL: ok well I don't think you can connect to the ftp with ADSL during install...unless someone else knows otherwise |
| 17:49.47 | nvz | well I suppose you could have an initrd *shurg* |
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| 17:49.54 | adamb100 | I booted from the Debian CD to get access to the shell. Don't I need to mount root? |
| 17:49.56 | solemn03 | back |
| 17:50.00 | nvz | or that |
| 17:50.02 | greycat | adamb100: if you want. |
| 17:50.11 | solemn03 | any1 know whats wrong? |
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| 17:50.25 | mwilson | solemn03: There's no nick 'any1' in the channel. |
| 17:50.37 | greycat | solemn03: PEBKAC, most likely. |
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| 17:50.47 | ZoL | chealer : but the install process is asking me what's my source to install |
| 17:50.49 | solemn03 | whats PEBKAC? |
| 17:50.56 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Pilot error. |
| 17:51.01 | solemn03 | huh? |
| 17:51.04 | nvz | solemn03: problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 17:51.05 | ricky_clarkson | !pebkac |
| 17:51.05 | dpkg | it has been said that pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC |
| 17:51.12 | ricky_clarkson | !picnic |
| 17:51.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, picnic is Problem In Chair Not In Computer |
| 17:51.15 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 17:51.24 | solemn03 | i keep setting up the iptables rules then they go away later |
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| 17:51.41 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: afaik /etc/network/interfaces is the place to set up your network. |
| 17:51.48 | solemn03 | ive done that |
| 17:51.50 | solemn03 | IPTABLES |
| 17:51.53 | solemn03 | firewall |
| 17:51.57 | solemn03 | routing |
| 17:51.57 | chealer | ZoL: hum...I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to. Can you write the exact message? |
| 17:52.11 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Can you set your iptables, firewall and routing stuff in /etc/network/interfaces too? |
| 17:52.26 | solemn03 | huh? |
| 17:52.27 | mwilson | solemn03: Yes, they're supposed to do that. |
| 17:52.33 | ricky_clarkson | huh?? |
| 17:52.52 | solemn03 | on my router the iptables rules stay |
| 17:53.03 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: Can you set your iptables, firewall and routing stuff in /etc/network/interfaces too? |
| 17:53.12 | solemn03 | i can? |
| 17:53.15 | ZoL | chealer : reboot and return to note the error message |
| 17:53.26 | ricky_clarkson | solemn03: It's a question. |
| 17:53.40 | mwilson | solemn03: Not unless you took steps to save them, they don't. |
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| 17:54.01 | solemn03 | they do on my router |
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| 17:54.23 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: Is /etc/network/interfaces the standard answer for this? |
| 17:54.34 | solemn03 | so how do i save the rules on debian? |
| 17:54.38 | ricky_clarkson | I personally just have pump in my gnome startup script ;) |
| 17:54.39 | nvz | now that pisses me off :P segmentation faults after taking forever |
| 17:54.39 | solemn03 | command? |
| 17:54.55 | ricky_clarkson | nvz: Infinity is a long time, dude. |
| 17:55.37 | solemn03 | whats the command to save iptables in deb? |
| 17:55.43 | solemn03 | iptables save didnt work |
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| 17:55.53 | greycat | solemn03: read /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 17:55.56 | solemn03 | neither did /etc/init.d/iptables save |
| 17:56.08 | caphuso | and read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:56.15 | caphuso | which you should have done hours ago |
| 17:56.16 | greycat | which part of READ.... oh never mind. you're obviuosly illiterate. |
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| 17:56.45 | ricky_clarkson | !rfd solemn03 |
| 17:56.46 | dpkg | A book you might like to study, solemn03: http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/cwalerst/reading%20for%20dummies.gif |
| 17:57.14 | nvz | ricky_clarkson: yeah. well it segfaulted the first time after hitting 'find' cause I forgot to choose a partition.. but this time it started debugfs and after like 15minutes crashed with a SIGSEGV, its annoying |
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| 17:58.15 | tuxracer | How to add a Path prmanently (not in $HOME/.bashrc, .profile ...) ? |
| 17:58.17 | tummyacid | alright a little man page reading and it turns out i was putting them in the wrong dir |
| 17:58.29 | greycat | !wikifaq tuxracer DotFiles |
| 17:58.29 | dpkg | tuxracer: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:58.41 | tummyacid | modprobe now finds them find but i get errors and its unable to insert ath_pci |
| 17:58.59 | tuxracer | oh thanks ! |
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| 17:59.30 | tummyacid | which brings be back to my original question, is it a big deal to use sid packages with apt-get on a sarge install? or should i install sid and try again |
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| 18:00.00 | pablo | how do i know my MAC? |
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| 18:00.12 | stego | Is there a way to find out which packages aptitutude/apt-get last upgraded? |
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| 18:01.09 | tummyacid | pablo: if you mean your Media Access Control identifcation then ifconfig should have it |
| 18:01.09 | jk3 | pabl0: media access conrrol? ifconfig |
| 18:02.17 | greycat | !learn edit rng[3] s/dlvl1./dlvl1, and poisoned spiked pits on dlvl2./ |
| 18:02.23 | greycat | damn, ECHAN |
| 18:02.30 | abrotman | stego: not really .. but if you look in the cache folder .. you can sort them by date |
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| 18:02.58 | pablo | ok thanks! :) |
| 18:03.03 | stego | abrotman: just thought of that now, thanks : ) |
| 18:03.41 | tummyacid | is there a netinstall cd for sid that anyone can recomend? |
| 18:03.56 | tummyacid | i wanna try to burn it from the console hehehe |
| 18:04.06 | amax | tummyacid: use the sarge netinstall in expert mode |
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| 18:04.24 | mwilson | tummyacid: What would be the point of a Sid installer? |
| 18:04.45 | tummyacid | i dunno the best madwifi instructions ive found use Sid and i use sarge and im getting verison errors |
| 18:04.50 | tummyacid | i was thinking maybe that was why |
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| 18:05.10 | abrotman | oh .. that's a good reason |
| 18:05.11 | tummyacid | everything else worked fine up until the modprobe command was issued for the new modules |
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| 18:05.20 | jc_ | good afternoon |
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| 18:05.46 | jc_ | Please, anybody build a hostap with orinoco card ? |
| 18:06.02 | tummyacid | so if i do expert26 install will it let me pick sid or is sid used automatically? |
| 18:06.21 | tummyacid | jc_ brother i feel your pain good luck |
| 18:06.21 | raf256 | hmm I need to do ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/pliot && chmod 777 /dev/pilot etc. to have my palmtop working, |
| 18:06.23 | mwilson | tummyacid: No and no. |
| 18:06.30 | raf256 | should I add this to my startup RC scripts? |
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| 18:06.46 | mwilson | raf256: Why would that be necessary? |
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| 18:07.06 | raf256 | mwilson: because I want to have one file like /dev/pilit |
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| 18:07.14 | raf256 | and if I create it once, it is gone after reboot |
| 18:07.31 | raf256 | oh, or chmod the /dev/ttyS1 |
| 18:07.32 | jc_ | tummyacid do you have experiences with this ? |
| 18:07.35 | Empty | How do I grow a ramdisk (like /dev/ram0 for example) |
| 18:07.39 | brosio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.39 | tummyacid | jc |
| 18:08.01 | tummyacid | _jc: experiences that make me want to smash my brand new sony vaio |
| 18:08.23 | mwilson | raf256: There's a reason you wouldn't just add the user to the appropriate group, of course. |
| 18:08.59 | raf256 | mwilson: yes, I wuold like to have group "device-pilot" and not "dialup" |
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| 18:09.23 | scorphus | hi, how can I allow a normal user to mount devices? when logged as a normal user I can't mount anything else than what listed is on the /etc/fstab, i.e. "mount -oro,loop=/dev/loop0 ebooks02.iso ~/tmp/cdrom" gives me the message "mount: only root can do that". Any idea? |
| 18:09.43 | abrotman | scorphus: man mount ? man fstab ? |
| 18:10.01 | mwilson | abrotman: Noooooo... actually learning how the tools work!? |
| 18:10.08 | raf256 | mwilson: so where, and how should I add script like /etc/rc/my_setup_dev_files.sh to be runned at bootup? |
| 18:10.12 | abrotman | mwilson: reading is hard! :) |
| 18:10.25 | scorphus | abrotman: I don't want to create a rule on fstab for every little mount I wish to do on my system |
| 18:10.32 | mwilson | raf256: Nowhere. You should instead learn how to use udev, if you think you need to be using it for some reason. |
| 18:10.48 | mwilson | s/if/since/ |
| 18:10.49 | abrotman | no comment |
| 18:10.50 | scorphus | abrotman: and I don't want to su everytime I wish to mount a special device |
| 18:10.56 | paulswm | scorphus: You've answered your own question. man mount will tell you that users can only mount what is allowed in fstab |
| 18:10.59 | abrotman | man mount ; man fstab |
| 18:11.26 | mwilson | scorphus: sudo is your friend. |
| 18:11.29 | scorphus | so there is not a special group or anything I can do about it? |
| 18:11.36 | paulswm | MAN MOUNT |
| 18:11.38 | scorphus | mmm, sudo |
| 18:11.49 | raf256 | mwilson: ok, so how, in best way, would you just make file /dev/pilot to point to ttyS1? |
| 18:12.12 | scorphus | thanks |
| 18:12.28 | mwilson | raf256: I already answered your question. I don't write udev rules for people. |
| 18:12.55 | mwilson | Don't write them for myself, either, as I can't see any reason to saddle myself with udev. |
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| 18:13.14 | tummyacid | i need to make breakfast before i spend my entire day off with my laptop |
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| 18:13.23 | tummyacid | later |
| 18:13.24 | abrotman | rough life |
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| 18:13.28 | tummyacid | lol |
| 18:13.28 | pipeline | raf256: Why don't you just use devfs? |
| 18:13.40 | pipeline | raf256: Alternatively, setup an entirely static dev. |
| 18:13.44 | mwilson | pipeline: Because it wouldn't do what he's describing? |
| 18:14.07 | abrotman | write a script to make a symlink ? |
| 18:14.22 | abrotman | though . i'm not really paying attention to what he's asking either |
| 18:14.24 | pipeline | mwilson: An entirely static dev filesystem would fix the problem nicely |
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| 18:15.05 | abrotman | pipeline: if he's using gnome in sarge/sid .. it seems to require udev .. at least the meta-package 'gnome' does |
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| 18:15.17 | mwilson | pipeline: He seems to think he needs udev. |
| 18:15.18 | pipeline | abrotman: The metapackage pulls in hal. |
| 18:15.23 | abrotman | that's why :) |
| 18:15.29 | pipeline | abrotman: There's only one application that uses hal. |
| 18:15.33 | abrotman | fam ? |
| 18:15.39 | pipeline | You don't need hal for fam. |
| 18:15.40 | abrotman | or gnome-volume-manager ? |
| 18:15.41 | mwilson | No, the meta-package pulls in gnome-vfs, which deps on hal and udev. |
| 18:15.43 | pipeline | You got it. |
| 18:15.47 | DimmuR | is it possible to check graphic agp-mode and memory (and ramdac) by linux software? if yes which software can do that |
| 18:15.51 | pipeline | gnome-vfs doesn't depend on hal or udev. |
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| 18:16.21 | raf256 | hmm how the /dev/ttyS1 gets create, I do not see an entry about it in /etc/udev.d/config.d |
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| 18:16.36 | mwilson | Excuse me, gnome-volume-manager. |
| 18:16.45 | mwilson | I don't keep track of either one... they're both useless. |
| 18:17.23 | stew | pipeline: gnome-volume-manager depends on hal which depends on udev |
| 18:17.25 | pipeline | I use gnome-vfs all the time. It's slow, but it's certainly convenient. |
| 18:17.32 | abrotman | didn't we already cover that? |
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| 18:17.46 | pipeline | stew: Yes, gnome-volume-manager being the only app on earth that uses HAL. And totally non-portable to boot. I don't think that particular dependency setup will last long. |
| 18:18.12 | mwilson | pmount wants hal |
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| 18:18.21 | FieldySnuts | lame. |
| 18:18.25 | mwilson | Being Debian's non-portable automount solution. |
| 18:18.35 | pipeline | It *suggests* hal. |
| 18:18.48 | mwilson | rei $ apt-cache rdepends hal |
| 18:18.48 | sr_2 | thanks. my problem solved while being in the channel. does this affect apt by any way? (just kidding) good bye. |
| 18:18.52 | mwilson | Reverse Depends: |
| 18:18.53 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.54 | FieldySnuts | what the hell is hal anyway |
| 18:19.01 | abrotman | !hal |
| 18:19.01 | dpkg | i heard hal is (Hardware Abstraction Layer) This is the portion of the operating system that lets programs deal with hardware directly. This allows programs needing more speed from the computer to bypass the standard OS calls to hardware. So instead of calling the Windows' API to draw a dialog box, you would go through the pain of actually drawing it out line by ... |
| 18:19.06 | FieldySnuts | seems to be pissing a lot of people off, not only in debian |
| 18:19.08 | abrotman | i assume that to be it |
| 18:19.28 | FieldySnuts | programs dealing with hardware directly? wtf, go through the god damn kernel |
| 18:19.49 | FieldySnuts | hee |
| 18:19.51 | directhex | meh? what a stupid factoid |
| 18:19.57 | directhex | !factinfo hal |
| 18:19.57 | dpkg | hal -- it has been requested 20 times, last by abrotman, 56s ago. |
| 18:20.05 | directhex | oh. antiquity |
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| 18:21.38 | dario_ | hi |
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| 18:21.49 | mwilson | I don't really know where Gnome gets the idea that users should be allowed to decide whether devices get mounted or not. |
| 18:22.03 | abrotman | duh .. HIG |
| 18:22.07 | Ciao_Bella | lol |
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| 18:22.17 | mwilson | abrotman: That's a circular argument. |
| 18:22.25 | abrotman | good .. they'll get lost |
| 18:22.39 | directhex | mwilson, you'd phone your sysadmin to ask permission to mount a floppy disk? |
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| 18:23.02 | paulswm | If it's on a server, yes |
| 18:23.13 | directhex | why the hell have gnome on a server? |
| 18:23.23 | Ciao_Bella | what's gnome |
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| 18:23.38 | abrotman | Ciao_Bella: are you here for Debian help? |
| 18:23.40 | afx | why would apt-get keep installing the same version of a package, even after I installed it? |
| 18:23.47 | mwilson | directhex: Not going to allow users to make any decisions that I can make for them. |
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| 18:24.19 | nvz | oh well, I guess no gtkrecover for me, seems to segfault after running debugfs to find the lost nodes |
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| 18:24.34 | mwilson | nvz: You have a HD go south? |
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| 18:24.44 | Ciao_Bella | no |
| 18:24.52 | abrotman | Ciao_Bella: this is not a social channel |
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| 18:25.15 | caphuso | nvz: ext3? |
| 18:25.27 | nvz | mwilson: no, I just deleted a lot of stuff before I left, cause I wasnt sure what function this drive would be serving when I got here :P now I wouldnt mind having it all back |
| 18:25.32 | abrotman | maybe it was a hardware failure ? |
| 18:25.33 | nvz | caphuso: yep |
| 18:25.41 | virgomoon | I just happened to notice I've got a lot of traffic hitting my sshd that shouldn't be. How do I tell if someone is actually getting in? Would 'who' show that? |
| 18:25.48 | directhex | mwilson, nobody's asking you to. but if a user needs to get file foo from /home, then the ability to mount removable storage can be handy |
| 18:25.48 | caphuso | nvz: good news: you no longer need to wait for any of the recover tools |
| 18:25.55 | caphuso | nvz: none will work. ever. |
| 18:25.59 | nvz | caphuso: hehe |
| 18:26.42 | mwilson | directhex: Uh, /home is already mounted. |
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| 18:27.52 | directhex | mwilson, you're being deliberately obtuse, as per usual. if i have some document i've been working on and want to take it home, i'd think my sysadmin was a fucktard if he turned around and said "no, you can't mount $foodevice to transfer your files onto. it might cause bears to eat me!" |
| 18:28.19 | FieldySnuts | i'm the admin of the system. I controll the devices, not users. |
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| 18:28.43 | greycat | FieldySnuts: at least, not *directly*. |
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| 18:28.46 | mwilson | directhex: Where I work, if $USER were actually taking stuff home, and admitted to it, he'd be diciplined at best and fired at worst. |
| 18:28.51 | FieldySnuts | greycat: obviously |
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| 18:29.27 | tarzeau | !seen deep6 |
| 18:29.28 | dpkg | deep6 <~Deep6@208.38.35.162> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17d 1h 9m 40s ago, saying: 'anyone familiar with chkrootkit, particularily the -x lkm option... I need to know whether the pids identified are worthy of concern'. |
| 18:29.42 | directhex | mwilson, so, erm, don't add them to the plugdev group, and they can't use any of the automount facilities. done. for the rest of us, it's a useful facility |
| 18:29.53 | luuke | When I run "debootstrap sid rd/" I get this error: "Couldn't download adduser" Has anybody seen this before? |
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| 18:30.30 | FieldySnuts | <troll>nearly 8 years after the attack was first made public, WIndows 2003 and Windows XP SP2 are in fact vulnerable to the historic LAND attack.</troll> |
| 18:30.33 | FieldySnuts | god that's sad |
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| 18:31.01 | simmerz | is there a good english EVMS HOWTO? |
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| 18:31.34 | pipeline | Yeah. |
| 18:31.46 | nite613 | I have a question about kernel headers. I have installed both linux-kernel-headers (required by libc6-dev) and kernel-headers-2.4.27-2-k7 (to match my kernel). /usr/include/linux/version.h mentions totally the wrong version, and I'm having trouble installing VMWare which requires headers for the running kernel to be properly installed |
| 18:32.09 | pipeline | nite613: VMware is picky about that sort of thing. You need more than just kernel headers. |
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| 18:32.12 | mwilson | Anyone know offhand what Gnome actually does upstream regarding automount? Or did Ubuntu's method get pushed upstream? |
| 18:32.30 | directhex | nite613, /usr/src/linux is a symbolic link to, well, anything. make sure the link is correct |
| 18:32.47 | directhex | mwilson, ubuntu's method being...? |
| 18:32.58 | nite613 | directhex: It's not at the moment, its a real directory provided by linux-kernel-headers which is for the wrong version, but I can't remove it |
| 18:33.05 | mwilson | directhex: pmount came from Ubuntu. |
| 18:33.07 | nvz | its not a big deal I wouldnt have deleted the stuff if it was. I just am not sure what all I deleted. I was trying to free up space on here in case I needed it when I got here. I deleted all my backups of my home dir. |
| 18:33.32 | nvz | I'll have to keep that in mind, if I want to recover, not to use a journalizing fs |
| 18:33.43 | nite613 | directhex: Sorry, that was wrong, /usr/include/linux is a real dir, and I expected it to be a symlink into /usr/src/linux/include |
| 18:33.50 | mwilson | nite613: No. |
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| 18:34.13 | mwilson | nite613: /usr/include/linux should *never* point into your kernel sources. |
| 18:34.23 | nite613 | okay :) |
| 18:34.33 | mwilson | nite613: /usr/include/linux are the includes that were used to build your libc. |
| 18:34.59 | mwilson | nite613: If VMWare can't figure out the difference, it's VMWare that's broken, not your includes. |
| 18:35.30 | keio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.37 | nite613 | ah, okay, perfect. VMWare is complaining that the kernel source I have doesn't match the running kernel when I point it to the kernel source for its headers |
| 18:35.39 | directhex | i think the point here is vmware is refusing to use /usr/include/linux |
| 18:35.57 | mwilson | nite613: Ok, and DOES the kernel source you have match the running kernel? |
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| 18:36.35 | Ashtars_fanclub | is xfce 4.2 in unstable? |
| 18:36.44 | nite613 | yes :) I think the problem might be that the version.h says 2.4.27 and name on the running kernel is 2.4.27-1-k7 |
| 18:36.48 | mwilson | Ashtars_fanclub: You could just look for yourself. |
| 18:37.01 | WW | Hello, world. |
| 18:37.05 | directhex | Ashtars_fanclub, not alst i checked |
| 18:37.12 | directhex | !info xfwm4 |
| 18:37.14 | abrotman | !tell Ashtars_fanclub about search |
| 18:37.21 | dpkg | xfwm4: (window manager of the XFce project), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 511 kB, Installed size: 1620 kB |
| 18:37.26 | WW | I just installed sarge, and so it is working pretty well, but I am having a problem with cups. |
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| 18:37.32 | nite613 | Rewriting version.h to match satisfied VMWare, but then it gets unresolved symbols :( |
| 18:37.51 | nvz | WW: ooo suspensful, why don't you tell the good people of #debian, what that problem is. |
| 18:38.02 | Ashtars_fanclub | i'm running sarge i was just wondering for a hint when it could reach sarge |
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| 18:38.27 | nite613 | I'm going to have to compile and run a kernel from this source, aren't I? Even though it's the kernel-source package that matches the kernel-image package I'm running? |
| 18:38.32 | mwilson | Ashtars_fanclub: Two weeks after it hits unstable and doesn't have any bugs filed against it. |
| 18:38.37 | l-306 | how do you guys start a nic in deb? |
| 18:38.46 | nvz | l-306: ifup |
| 18:38.56 | l-306 | thnx |
| 18:38.56 | abrotman | !why is xfwm4 not in sarge |
| 18:38.56 | mwilson | Ashtars_fanclub: That, after all, being the definition of testing. |
| 18:38.56 | dpkg | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 18:38.59 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:39.07 | nvz | l-306: man 5 interfaces |
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| 18:39.18 | abrotman | !why is xfwm4 not in testing |
| 18:39.19 | greycat | !why is xfwm4 not in testing |
| 18:39.19 | dpkg | xfwm4 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xfwm4 |
| 18:39.19 | WW | In gnome, when I try to add a printer from the Printing gui, it asks for a password, but then nothing happens. |
| 18:39.27 | l-306 | nvz thnx |
| 18:39.28 | directhex | xfce 4.0.6 is in sarge and sid |
| 18:39.30 | abrotman | they are the same in sarge and sid |
| 18:39.31 | l-306 | not for me |
| 18:39.36 | mwilson | What is it, two weeks without a bug higher than Severity: Normal? Or is it any bug? I dis-remember. |
| 18:39.38 | abrotman | so what is he waiting fore? |
| 18:39.39 | abrotman | for |
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| 18:39.46 | shadfc | anyone happen to have or know where i could get a kernel config for a dell poweredge 2650? |
| 18:39.53 | shadfc | 2.6 kernel config |
| 18:39.53 | abrotman | mwilson: i think higher than normal |
| 18:39.58 | greycat | mwilson: to get into testing? 10 days without an RC bug, for priority: low |
| 18:40.03 | nvz | WW: if you have cups installed you can open a browser and surf to http://localhsot:631 to configure cups. you generally supply the root passworcd |
| 18:40.13 | valdyn_ | shadfc: why? do debian kernels not work? |
| 18:40.21 | mwilson | greycat: What is the current definition of RC? |
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| 18:40.38 | valdyn_ | !laptop |
| 18:40.38 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org or also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/ |
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| 18:40.42 | abrotman | grave,important ? normal ? |
| 18:40.45 | nvz | shadfc: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig ... |
| 18:40.45 | alele | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.50 | WW | nvz: The problem I have with using the browser interface is I have no idea what data (and in what format) to enter in the fields in the "Add Printer" page. |
| 18:41.01 | nvz | shadfc: when you are all done configuring, you will have one :P |
| 18:41.03 | alele | i´m running testparm in samba but... Unknown parameter encountered: "dos filetime resoltion" |
| 18:41.07 | Epse | Hello can anyone help me? I m trying to get my 4 channel soundcard playing with 4 channels instead of of 2... any idea? |
| 18:41.09 | Ashtars_fanclub | why hasnt 4.2 reached unstable, its been available for a while |
| 18:41.11 | mwilson | WW: And the documentation...? |
| 18:41.12 | cheal | important isn't RC |
| 18:41.20 | mwilson | Ashtars_fanclub: Because no one has uploaded it. |
| 18:41.24 | nvz | WW: I am not a cups wizard, I just lucked out on getting it to work. |
| 18:41.29 | shadfc | nvz: no kidding... i more interested in the kernel options that people have used successfully |
| 18:41.32 | mwilson | Ashtars_fanclub: It's not like there's some sort of schedule. |
| 18:41.42 | WW | mwilson: Ha! Have you tried reading the cups documentation? |
| 18:41.42 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: ask the maintainer |
| 18:41.47 | nvz | shadfc: yeah, and you are headed in the wrong direction |
| 18:41.47 | abrotman | !maint xfwm4 |
| 18:41.53 | dpkg | xfwm4: Martin Loschwitz <madkiss@debian.org> |
| 18:41.58 | abrotman | go ask him |
| 18:41.58 | Ashtars_fanclub | yes but i would have thought that it would be big interest in xfce |
| 18:42.01 | abrotman | ask him |
| 18:42.01 | nvz | shadfc: read lspci output, and dmesg..etc you would know what options to use |
| 18:42.03 | TwoSchubert | hey, how do I change standard terminal refresh rate? |
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| 18:42.15 | mwilson | WW: Certainly. Remarkably well-written, easy to understand. It's hard to screw up the web interface, too. |
| 18:42.17 | Madkiss | WASSABI! |
| 18:42.17 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: look for a bug asking why |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 18:42.22 | TwoSchubert | I mean, I don't want to change X refresh rate, I want to change terminal |
| 18:42.31 | nvz | shadfc: if you have a kernel booted on there now, it will tell you in dmesg log what stuff is in that machine, you transfer that info to the config file |
| 18:42.34 | abrotman | Madkiss: answer the questions!!! |
| 18:42.43 | WW | mwilson: What do I put in the "Name" and "Location" fields? |
| 18:42.46 | Madkiss | abrotman: Which ones? :) |
| 18:43.00 | abrotman | Madkiss: Ashtars_fanclub wants to know why you're slacking on xfce or something |
| 18:43.04 | nvz | shadfc: you most certainly wont have much luck scouring the net for someone else's kernel config, then trusing them to know what they are doing |
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| 18:43.10 | Madkiss | I am not, we're preparing it. |
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| 18:43.18 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: ^^ |
| 18:43.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | ^^ |
| 18:43.31 | mwilson | WW: What does the documentation tell you to put there? |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: would you like to ask anything else(and why am mediating?) |
| 18:44.02 | abrotman | am i |
| 18:44.03 | mwilson | Madkiss: Apparently he's unhappy you didn't upload it the day it was announced. |
| 18:44.04 | nvz | shadfc: its a lot easier, since you know you have one of these PC's for you to actually LOOK and see what configuration it needs and set it up yourself if you want a custom kernel. otherwise if you can handle this, you have no business setting up a custom kernel, and won't be successful in any case. |
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| 18:44.50 | simmerz | pipeline > where is it? I can't find one on tldp |
| 18:44.56 | TwoSchubert | hey, how do I change standard terminal refresh rate? |
| 18:44.59 | TwoSchubert | I mean, I don't want to change X refresh rate, I want to change terminal |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | there's a terminal refresh rate? |
| 18:45.33 | Madkiss | Ashtars_fanclub: All I can do is to beg your pardon. |
| 18:45.41 | abrotman | Ashtars_fanclub: execute him! |
| 18:45.46 | mwilson | abrotman: Certainly. The monitor is still a raster device. |
| 18:45.50 | TwoSchubert | I mean, the refresh rate of the 'terminal', not of the X system |
| 18:45.56 | Ashtars_fanclub | i was just curious if there was a lack of interest or something like that |
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| 18:46.05 | abrotman | mwilson: but i mean .. is it configurable ? ... i realize it has one |
| 18:46.07 | TwoSchubert | any ideas? |
| 18:46.26 | cheal | hey Madkiss. are you involved in some debian KDE policy? |
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| 18:46.42 | WW | I did not find any documentation about this page. I assumed I would find information about the "Add New Printer" apge in the "Software Users Manual", but I don't see it. |
| 18:47.11 | Madkiss | chimaera: Kinda. |
| 18:47.18 | Madkiss | abrotman: I'm in stuff, I am armored :PP |
| 18:47.26 | greycat | !esr cups |
| 18:47.26 | dpkg | it has been said that esr cups is http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html or http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/27/0043250 (aka "The Luxury of Ignorance"), or http://www.asktog.com/ |
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| 18:47.35 | Madkiss | Ashtars_fanclub: There certainly is not |
| 18:47.46 | cheal | Madkiss: ok, because there was a link to it in #debian-kde topic and it was broken. did something happen with that? |
| 18:47.46 | Madkiss | Ashtars_fanclub: We have packages of 4.2 ready, iirc |
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| 18:47.58 | Madkiss | cheal: the topic needs to be fixed, IO think |
| 18:48.07 | WW | mwilson: I did not find any documentation about this page. I assumed I would find information about the "Add New Printer" apge in the "Software Users Manual", but I don't see it. |
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| 18:48.22 | WW | mwilson: Sorry, I didn't mean to repeat myself! |
| 18:48.25 | cheal | Madkiss: well, anything could be better than "You guys are just BEGGING to face the MOOSE!!" |
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| 18:48.44 | cheal | Madkiss: but I think no one knew what happened to the policy proposal. |
| 18:48.59 | Madkiss | cheal: It was adopted, later superseeded and is outdated now. |
| 18:49.18 | mwilson | WW: Well, since I'm looking right at it, I can only assume you aren't, but think you need to lie about it. |
| 18:49.19 | cheal | ok. BTW you are involved both in XFCE and KDE?? |
| 18:49.29 | Madkiss | cheal: Yes sure |
| 18:49.50 | cheal | Madkiss: but KDE is the only good one! :) |
| 18:49.58 | Madkiss | cheal: auhm. |
| 18:50.07 | WW | mwilson: ? |
| 18:50.20 | WW | mwilson: Which section is it in? |
| 18:50.27 | Madkiss | cheal: I tend to agree that KDE is a rock solid desktop environment, and that it rocks, and that it certainly is the best choice for notebooks of all kinds. However, on my workstation I wouldn't want it |
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| 18:51.15 | TwoSchubert | hey, how do I change console refresh rate? |
| 18:51.18 | Ashtars_fanclub | Madkiss: what is a good desktop environment for the workstation ? |
| 18:51.24 | Ashtars_fanclub | twm? |
| 18:51.34 | greycat | TwoSchubert: if it's not in "man setterm", ask a linux channel. |
| 18:51.47 | Madkiss | Ashtars_fanclub: Xfce |
| 18:51.49 | cheal | Madkiss: I'm just testing you. I really couldn't imagine someone to work on two projects apparently so competing. |
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| 18:52.07 | Ashtars_fanclub | Xfce owns me |
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| 18:52.47 | paulswm | TwoSchubert: Your question isn't debian specific, greycat's giving you the best advice |
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| 18:53.08 | Madkiss | cheal: Oh well. I am maintaining Qt3, I know what's up with KDE, and I have been maintaining Xfce for years |
| 18:53.11 | Madkiss | No big deal, really. |
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| 18:53.52 | WW | mwilson: (When you get back from the phone...) Are we talking about the same document? http://localhost:631/sum.html ? |
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| 18:54.38 | directhex | !praise Madkiss |
| 18:54.51 | Madkiss | hm? |
| 18:54.51 | directhex | xfce4 for teh winzar. now, where's 4.2? |
| 18:54.54 | directhex | :P |
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| 18:55.09 | Madkiss | In Simons experimental-dir, I guess |
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| 18:56.07 | cheal | !beer Madkiss |
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| 19:00.37 | freeminder | Hi folks |
| 19:00.57 | freeminder | Some one that have installed Debian on a Mac? |
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| 19:01.21 | kalila | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=141637&cid=11866702 |
| 19:01.21 | l-306 | what file dose deb use to put modules in to load them on boot? |
| 19:01.22 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 19:01.22 | dpkg | ppc is probably short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 19:01.24 | kalila | hahaha |
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| 19:01.39 | resiak | l-306: /etc/modules, amazingly enough. |
| 19:01.49 | l-306 | there u go vs_zach |
| 19:02.01 | TheBarron | PerfDave: looks like Ubuntu might be more like what I was looking for |
| 19:02.11 | resiak | Have I just said something illegal? |
| 19:02.12 | vs_zach | lol |
| 19:02.12 | resiak | !u |
| 19:02.12 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:02.17 | l-306 | resiak, thnx |
| 19:02.19 | resiak | !dose |
| 19:02.21 | resiak | !thnx |
| 19:02.21 | dpkg | any time, resiak |
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| 19:02.36 | abrotman | resiak: that worked well |
| 19:02.40 | resiak | abrotman: Yes, well. |
| 19:02.41 | resiak | :) |
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| 19:02.55 | abrotman | resiak: i think you wanted !thx |
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| 19:03.07 | [Granger] | the AOL mentality of "lol", "rolf", "ne1", "plz", "u", etc rules here too I see |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | [Granger]: not rules .. guidelines i suppose .. |
| 19:03.40 | [Granger] | abrotman: there's a distro chan on efnet that has a bot that kicks people for using those acronyms |
| 19:03.44 | cheal | and the *%[nick]%* nickname style |
| 19:03.49 | abrotman | [Granger]: i wish ours would :) |
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| 19:04.05 | streetbmx | hello |
| 19:04.06 | cheal | haha, that seems rude :) |
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| 19:04.12 | abrotman | so is talking like that |
| 19:04.34 | [Granger] | "I can take the time to read the XFree86 manual, but I can't be bothered to type out a full length please" |
| 19:04.46 | [Granger] | that's basically what you're saying when you type like that |
| 19:04.48 | streetbmx | im trying to access a samba share with nautilus, but it doesnt even ask for username or password. and just says folder contents cannot be displayed, can anyone help? |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | [Granger]: more than likely .. neither :) |
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| 19:05.08 | resiak | abrotman: It was an amalgamation of thx and tnx, though... |
| 19:05.37 | [Granger] | can't really change this nick though |
| 19:05.44 | abrotman | resiak: u jbiw |
| 19:05.47 | abrotman | wow .. |
| 19:05.47 | badblody | does anyone uses potwiki plugin for vim ? |
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| 19:05.54 | cheal | streetbmx: how does it behave at command line? |
| 19:06.02 | lara | Hello I've proftpd messages in my syslog like : "FTP session opened." or " HiddenStore: complex path, will rename /fund...." ... |
| 19:06.28 | resiak | !jbiw |
| 19:06.34 | abrotman | lara: and? |
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| 19:06.48 | streetbmx | cheal: it seems too. smbclient -L shows my shares. |
| 19:06.49 | abrotman | lara: btw .. there is also #proftpd if you feel they would be more help |
| 19:06.58 | lara | abrotman: :) Thats not right! I don't want it there.... |
| 19:07.07 | cheal | streetbmx: is there an error msg at command line? |
| 19:07.10 | abrotman | lara: so what do you want? |
| 19:07.14 | streetbmx | cheal: i am also able to access the samba shares from within windows |
| 19:07.27 | paulswm | resiak: move the KB 1 key to the left and it is 'i knoe' |
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| 19:07.39 | streetbmx | no error |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | paulswm: i think just one hand was off |
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| 19:08.05 | paulswm | Heh, u jbiw :) |
| 19:08.06 | lara | abrotman: I don't want this messages there. I set TransferLog and ExtendedLog but there are still log messages... |
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| 19:08.32 | resiak | paulswm: Heh, I see. |
| 19:08.53 | abrotman | lara: did you check /etc/syslog.conf ? |
| 19:08.57 | Hermann | I'm trying to netinstall on a sparc, using a boot.img. it works fine, but the image use 2.6.8-1 and the modules on the ftp are 2.6.8-2. are there any newer boot images available somewhere? |
| 19:09.07 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 19:09.07 | dpkg | hmm... sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with ... |
| 19:09.10 | abrotman | bah ... |
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| 19:09.32 | abrotman | Hermann: try #debian-sparc |
| 19:09.33 | cheal | how do you see the rest of the factoid? |
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| 19:09.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: why does dpkg cut short the factoids ? |
| 19:09.44 | Hermann | abrotman: aight |
| 19:09.48 | resiak | !tell cheal -about sparc |
| 19:10.00 | resiak | abrotman: Because he si teh b0rk. |
| 19:10.06 | abrotman | resiak: he got upgraded |
| 19:10.11 | resiak | abrotman: up? |
| 19:10.13 | lara | abrotman: Do you know what I shoul do there ? I've got a daemon.* -/var/log/daemon.log line |
| 19:10.17 | abrotman | resiak: i think |
| 19:10.18 | lara | "daemon.* -/var/log/daemon.log" |
| 19:10.31 | resiak | abrotman: I won't "up"grade mine, then :) |
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| 19:10.35 | cheal | ok, tell me about foo seems to workaround ok |
| 19:10.37 | abrotman | lara: let me look a bit i guess |
| 19:10.44 | cheal | thanks resiak |
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| 19:11.09 | ansong | can someone help me figure out why my sound suddenly quit working? i've just updated the kernel, but i'm using the same .config as i had before. alsaconf picks up the driver and loads the module, but nothing will play |
| 19:11.09 | abrotman | lara: i'd guess .. i odn't muck with those settings much |
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| 19:11.29 | cheal | streetbmx: sorry I missed your reply. so if you ls the folder, there's just no output? |
| 19:11.50 | abrotman | lara: if you ask #proftpd . theym ight be able to give you a good hint |
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| 19:12.10 | abrotman | mwilson: i hate it when my parents call me at work too :) |
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| 19:12.52 | streetbmx | cheal: well, nautilus doesnt ask for username or password. how would i access it from command line |
| 19:12.59 | j_k | ansong: what does /proc/asound look like ? |
| 19:13.30 | j_k | ansong: have you got a device showing up there ? |
| 19:13.40 | mwilson | You know, ESR's screed is really against the idiocy that is Gnome, not against CUPS. |
| 19:13.51 | greycat | heh |
| 19:13.59 | lara | abrotman: I had to set SysLog None |
| 19:14.14 | cheal | streetbmx: I don't know gnome enough. you're saying that you're using nautilus to mount the share, right? |
| 19:14.22 | streetbmx | yes |
| 19:14.23 | abrotman | lara: ok .. ? |
| 19:14.31 | lara | yes |
| 19:15.28 | ansong | j_k, listing that dir gives me: card0, cards, devices, I82801DBICH4 -> card0, oss, pcm, seq, timers, version |
| 19:15.28 | cheal | streetbmx: sorry, I don't know how it works. I use smb4k. |
| 19:15.28 | streetbmx | ok |
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| 19:15.28 | j_k | ansong: did you check your mixer settings ? what kind of error do you get ? |
| 19:15.41 | abrotman | lara: you got it working then? |
| 19:15.51 | lara | abrotman: yes |
| 19:15.59 | abrotman | good |
| 19:16.11 | streetbmx | cheal: thanks. maybe i'll just look for another browser for gnome |
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| 19:17.04 | cheal | streetbmx: hum, AFAIK you won't find better than nautilus. you'd better look for an alternative way to mount samba shares. command line is an obvious one. |
| 19:17.17 | ansong | j_k, no errors, just no sound. the mixer looks/acts like it did when everything worked |
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| 19:17.58 | carlinhos | who knows what is anonce and snonce in a wireless network? so thanks |
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| 19:18.04 | streetbmx | cheal: ok |
| 19:18.16 | panda | some directories are drwxrwsr-x , what's the 's', is it sticky? anyone explain me more? |
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| 19:18.56 | doub | hi there |
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| 19:19.05 | cheal | panda: it's SGID. check TLDP's newbie guide |
| 19:19.22 | panda | cheal, stick is t |
| 19:19.35 | cheal | no |
| 19:19.36 | abrotman | man chmod ? |
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| 19:20.03 | cheal | http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_03_04.html section 3.4.2.5 |
| 19:20.12 | panda | cheal, thnx |
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| 19:21.06 | johnga1t | is there a simple way to take a directory and create a tarball of it and write to another machine's drive (via scp) w/o making a local tarball first? |
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| 19:21.38 | doub | johnga1t: i guess you can do this via a netcat pipe |
| 19:21.40 | greycat | cd /foo && tar cf - . | ssh remotebox 'cd /bar && tar xvf -' |
| 19:21.42 | mrhemlock | johnga1t, tar f - | or man tar |
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| 19:21.46 | manas | blacklisted lp as given in dpkg's blacklist, but lp still loads when a microcontroller programmer tries to write to par0. Help. |
| 19:21.50 | johnga1t | thanks guys. |
| 19:22.16 | ansong | j_k, no joy huh? |
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| 19:23.49 | jelly | Hi, can anyone help me debugging a libapache-mod-php4 SEGV? |
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| 19:24.52 | johnga1t | greycat: does that extract on the target machine? |
| 19:25.00 | abrotman | johnga1t: sure alive! |
| 19:25.01 | johnga1t | greycat: just want to copy the tarball ... not extract it. |
| 19:25.07 | abrotman | johnga1t: you're alive too! :) |
| 19:25.20 | abrotman | or wait .. is he not g4lt ? |
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| 19:26.06 | johnga1t | abrotman: sorry ... think you're thinking of a different person. sorry. |
| 19:26.19 | N-MAN | :) |
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| 19:26.22 | abrotman | johnga1t: apparently .. but were you the guy with the funny embedded machine a while ago ? |
| 19:26.23 | carlinhos | who knows what is anonce and snonce in a wireless network? so thanks |
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| 19:26.53 | johnga1t | abrotman: that's right. still have one sitting here. i've got everything working on, but the manufacturers sucl. |
| 19:27.02 | abrotman | gotcha |
| 19:27.10 | xarg | hi ... is it possible to have sshd NOT allow root to connect on one iface but allow root to connect on another iface? |
| 19:27.29 | xarg | 2 seperate configs? |
| 19:27.32 | resiak | xarg: Why would you _ever_ want to let root ssh in? |
| 19:27.32 | jelly | xarg: run two sshd's with different config files? |
| 19:27.34 | j_k | ansong: what sound application are you running ? Is it using ALSA or OSS ? Does it use the good output device ? |
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| 19:27.49 | resiak | xarg: What's wrong with su once you're in? |
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| 19:28.10 | j_k | ansong: I mean, maybe you've compiled the dummy driver or something and now your app is using it instead of the sound card. |
| 19:28.20 | johnga1t | greycat: how could i just save the tarball there? just ssh remotemachine ' cat - > tarball.tar'? |
| 19:28.42 | greycat | johnga1t: no need for the "-" |
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| 19:29.37 | johnga1t | greycat: thank you, sir. |
| 19:29.39 | raf256 | what the fuck had happened to my console |
| 19:29.53 | raf256 | now the home/end buttons do not work in xterminals like gnome-term |
| 19:29.54 | greycat | did you look under the sofa cushion? |
| 19:30.18 | resiak | raf256: What did you do to it? |
| 19:30.19 | johnga1t | abrotman: if you're interested in a little display, wallflower.com has much better stuff than that aaeon unit i have. |
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| 19:30.34 | raf256 | resiak: hmm dont know ;) |
| 19:30.46 | abrotman | johnga1t: wrong url |
| 19:31.09 | johnga1t | abrotman: sorry. wallflower-systems.com |
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| 19:31.40 | ansong | j_k, xmms, rhythmbox, totem, xine, the only one whose output device i've changed is xmms, it acts like it plays fine, (alsa and oss output) |
| 19:32.17 | abrotman | johnga1t: and i can load whatever OS on those i want ? |
| 19:32.29 | mwilson | raf256: Been messing with ~/.inputrc, huh? |
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| 19:33.00 | raf256 | btw, with options are responsible for input, or - where to read on it? |
| 19:33.00 | johnga1t | abrotman: it's loaded with fedora ... |
| 19:33.08 | raf256 | like to have home/end working in ssh and so on |
| 19:33.11 | abrotman | johnga1t: who wants that? :) |
| 19:33.13 | johnga1t | abrotman: meant for the layman to be able to email it/upload to change content |
| 19:33.29 | johnga1t | abrotman: not me. but people who want digital picture frames :) |
| 19:33.42 | mwilson | raf256: First it's that they don't work in the terminal, now it's that they don't work via ssh... make up your mind. |
| 19:33.44 | abrotman | johnga1t: does it have any other interfaces for CD drive etc? |
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| 19:33.57 | vszach | hey |
| 19:34.00 | jelly | how can I get a core file from apache? |
| 19:34.02 | johnga1t | abrotman: has network interface and may be able to take usb key |
| 19:34.08 | abrotman | hmm ... |
| 19:34.15 | vszach | im having problems connecting to my wireless router |
| 19:34.18 | raf256 | mwilson: that was a different question |
| 19:34.20 | abrotman | kind of hard to start the installer unless it boots from usb |
| 19:34.40 | ansong | j_k, i just looked at the time, i've got to get going. thanks for your help tho' |
| 19:34.59 | jnk | vszach, what's your wifi chip ? |
| 19:35.01 | cheal | jelly: there's a directive |
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| 19:35.55 | johnga1t | abrotman: it may have built in cd drive ... |
| 19:36.06 | abrotman | johnga1t: doesn't seem to imply that |
| 19:36.08 | johnga1t | abrotman: gotta run. sorry. will definitely let you know if i find something better (i'm always looking!) |
| 19:36.14 | cheal | jelly: http://www.apacheref.com/ref/http_core/CoreDumpDirectory.html |
| 19:36.30 | vszach | jnk: its not a problem with the wifi chip |
| 19:36.35 | vszach | its the nic settings |
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| 19:37.40 | jelly | cheal: thanks, found it. CoreDumpDirectory |
| 19:37.51 | jelly | eh |
| 19:37.52 | cheal | jelly: check http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mpm_common.html#coredumpdirectory you may also have to fiddle with ulimit |
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| 19:38.04 | jelly | cheal: 1.3 here. |
| 19:38.17 | jelly | cheal: but I think I'll manage the limits. |
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| 19:38.43 | cheal | yeah... I took days before I succeeded to generate a core dump. #apache can probably help more |
| 19:38.53 | jnk | vszach, you want to connect to the wireless router through ethernet ? |
| 19:38.56 | Albacker | guys, beatrix is debian-like, right ? I installed it and I did su, and entered password. and it got an error smething like authenticate. or something like this. any idea of where might the problem be ? |
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| 19:39.05 | vszach | no |
| 19:39.09 | vszach | jnk |
| 19:39.13 | cheal | ulimit is a complication with 1.3 |
| 19:39.26 | vszach | i want to connect to the wireless router via wireless |
| 19:39.28 | vszach | radio |
| 19:39.53 | greycat | !based on debian |
| 19:39.53 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 19:40.32 | jnk | vszach, so where is the problem? (AFAIK a "nic" is a "network interface card") |
| 19:40.36 | greycat | "smething like authenticate" is also impossible to diagnose. |
| 19:40.59 | vszach | i dont know where the problem is |
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| 19:41.05 | infodroid | everybody wants smething |
| 19:41.12 | Albacker | greycat. would that help if I switch to beatrix and copy the whole output ? |
| 19:41.17 | paulswm | Albacker: Ask at http://www.watsky.net/ |
| 19:41.19 | vszach | im trying to connect to my wireless router |
| 19:41.24 | vszach | the drivers are fine |
| 19:41.25 | nicholsc | anyone have some pointers on why a shell script i'm trying to run from cron doesn't run? |
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| 19:41.26 | greycat | Albacker: it would help if you'd just install Debian. |
| 19:41.26 | vszach | so |
| 19:41.28 | vszach | are the modules |
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| 19:41.48 | greycat | Albacker: we know Debian's PAM config isn't totally fucked up. Yours, on the other hand, we know nothing abuot. |
| 19:41.48 | Vamp|Man| | I need a command line to display the types of allt he files iun the personal directory in your ohome directory that do not start with letters a, k, G, or Q and the third letter in the name is not a digit and not a letter, (uppercase or lowercase) |
| 19:41.49 | Albacker | greycat, well you woulndt have said that if you knew that I use dial UP :S |
| 19:41.50 | citral | nicholsc: /msg dpkg vagueness |
| 19:41.52 | WW | Noobish question: Why can't I login in as root in the GUI login screen? |
| 19:42.06 | greycat | Albacker: I don't care. You have a broken non-Debian system. We can't fix it. |
| 19:42.10 | Vamp|Man| | ugh.. crappy client.. |
| 19:42.11 | resiak | WW: That's the whole point. Check its settings, and you can enable it. |
| 19:42.22 | greycat | WW: because it's bad for you. |
| 19:42.24 | jnk | WW, you should never do that |
| 19:42.35 | Albacker | greycat, I was talking about the "why no installing debian" question, I can never get it online. |
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| 19:43.03 | BrianAnthony | uhm hi |
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| 19:43.08 | jnk | vszach, so what is the problem, ie. what precisely have you tried to do without success? |
| 19:43.18 | infodroid | Vamp|Man|: its called a bash script, buddy |
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| 19:43.24 | BrianAnthony | I just installed xfree86 from apt and I have no startx command? |
| 19:43.32 | BrianAnthony | what did I do wrong |
| 19:43.39 | resiak | !faq BrianAnthony |
| 19:43.39 | dpkg | BrianAnthony: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:43.40 | greycat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ConfiguringX |
| 19:43.44 | Vamp|Man| | I need a command line to display the types of all the files in the personal directory in your home directory that do not start with letters a, k, G, or Q and the third letter in the name is not a digit and not a letter, (uppercase or lowercase) |
| 19:44.02 | greycat | Vamp|Man|: man bash |
| 19:44.06 | jelly | Vamp|Man|: types? |
| 19:44.09 | BrianAnthony | damn you. lol I'm in console =P brb |
| 19:44.10 | sobersabre | guys, i have nfs on 1Gb net. and it is slow. i am mounting as in the manpage example:rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr |
| 19:44.11 | citral | thqt's still a bash or perl script |
| 19:44.21 | greycat | BrianAnthony: lynx http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:44.31 | infodroid | BrianAnthony: apt-get install lynx |
| 19:44.32 | greycat | or links, or w3m |
| 19:44.39 | sobersabre | shall i increase the wsize, rsize ? |
| 19:44.41 | paulswm | sobersabre: remove the rsize and wsize parameters completey, and try it again |
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| 19:44.46 | BrianAnthony | I'm getting lynx |
| 19:45.10 | greycat | Vamp|Man|: hint: [^akGQ]?[^0-9A-Za-z]* |
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| 19:45.52 | Vamp|Man| | ah! |
| 19:45.53 | Vamp|Man| | thanks |
| 19:46.03 | nicholsc | citral, very funny |
| 19:46.15 | nicholsc | i've got an entry in my cron |
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| 19:46.34 | citral | and it's not running, that's about very vague |
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| 19:46.38 | nicholsc | yes |
| 19:46.40 | nicholsc | here's the line |
| 19:46.41 | nicholsc | 5,15,28,55 * * * * /home/nicholsc/synclosure/gettorrents.sh > /home/nicholsc/synclosure/gettorrentsoutput.txt 2>&1 |
| 19:46.49 | WW | I had to run gnome-cups-add from the command line in order to add a printer. If I try adding a printer from the Printing gui, it asks for the root password, but then nothing happens. Any suggestions of tracking down the problem? |
| 19:46.59 | BrianAnthony | greycat: seksi =) thanks |
| 19:47.14 | infodroid | WW: it should ask for the root password from the command line, too |
| 19:47.26 | sobersabre | paulswm: still slow.... maybe i shall do something on the server side ? (it is kernel nfs server) |
| 19:47.31 | WW | infodroid: I had already done su. |
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| 19:47.48 | greycat | nicholsc: check the perms on it, and check your e-mail, and check the mount options on the file system. |
| 19:48.06 | Seb_ | what do I need to install so that autoconf finds -lGLU ? I have libglu1-mesa-dev, which has /usr/lib/libGLU.so, but still autoconf doesn't seem to see it... |
| 19:48.11 | paulswm | sobersabre: Not sure. The reason I suugested that is that I used the same parameters, and when I removed tham it ran a whole lot faster |
| 19:48.20 | greycat | Seb_: config.log is your friend. |
| 19:48.20 | paulswm | Scuse typing |
| 19:48.31 | nicholsc | ok |
| 19:48.53 | paulswm | sobersabre: And I was also using kernel nfs |
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| 19:49.14 | nicholsc | greycat, the file is chmod 754 |
| 19:49.14 | citral | nicholsc: also the cron log entries are in /var/log/syslog (grep is your friend) |
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| 19:49.34 | Seb_ | greycat: well it's pretty obscure to me; it seems it failed because of " undefined reference to `pthread_key_create' in function `_glthread_InitTSD'" |
| 19:49.37 | greycat | citral: I prefer tail over grep, for most logs. |
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| 19:49.42 | sobersabre | paulswm: it is Xeon server and PowerPC server... can this be an issue ? |
| 19:49.44 | Seb_ | so I'm not sure what's wrong |
| 19:49.56 | sobersabre | i mean ppc client |
| 19:50.00 | citral | greycat: for debugging emails it's particulary fine, yes ;) |
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| 19:50.15 | paulswm | sobersabre: I don't use ppc so I don't know |
| 19:50.19 | greycat | Seb_: is this a sufficiently new autoconf-generated script that you can pass it an LDFLAGS=-pthreads ? |
| 19:50.19 | sobersabre | heh |
| 19:50.25 | sobersabre | thanks, man |
| 19:50.31 | citral | s/emails/mta/ |
| 19:50.33 | paulswm | sobersabre: sorry :( |
| 19:50.39 | yqyq | someone experienced evolution mail+ximian connector (exchange2003) |
| 19:50.51 | yqyq | don't work |
| 19:50.53 | Seb | greycat: hehe, given the amount of work I'd have to put it to even get to running this ./configure, I doubt it :> |
| 19:50.54 | sobersabre | yqyq: i had. it sucked |
| 19:50.57 | resiak | !doesn't work |
| 19:50.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 19:50.57 | abrotman | yqyq: might have more luck at irc.gnome.org |
| 19:51.01 | Seb | greycat: lemme try this anyway |
| 19:51.09 | yqyq | doesn't work |
| 19:51.13 | yqyq | why? |
| 19:51.22 | citral | !irritate yqyq |
| 19:51.23 | dpkg | yqyq: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound kk |
| 19:51.26 | nicholsc | i dont have access to /var/log/syslog |
| 19:51.27 | fbhjr | your chia pet? |
| 19:51.31 | greycat | !why |
| 19:51.31 | dpkg | Because! |
| 19:51.31 | WW | And one more question: I added a printer, and successfully printed a test page. I also set it to be the default printer. What else needs to be set up so that something like the command enscript uses this printer by default? |
| 19:51.45 | citral | nicholsc: try as root, or put yourself in the "adm" group |
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| 19:52.26 | citral | WW: nothing else, a priori.... |
| 19:52.35 | yqyq | sorry, but i must delete xp from all computer( my colleagues) |
| 19:52.59 | nicholsc | hehe |
| 19:53.00 | nicholsc | i can't |
| 19:53.07 | WW | citral: But enscript put a job in the "lp" queue, and it is just sitting there. Something is still not configured correctly. |
| 19:53.09 | citral | yqyq: maybe you should google a bit, then |
| 19:53.10 | nicholsc | i don't have access |
| 19:53.14 | Seb | greycat: matter of fact, the line giving this compilation error does have -pthreads in there already |
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| 19:53.22 | Seb | greycat: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -pthreads conftest.c -lGLU -lGL >&5 |
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| 19:53.37 | greycat | Seb: weird. |
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| 19:54.10 | Seb | greycat: and pthreads are in libc, not in a separate lib, correct ? |
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| 19:54.20 | greycat | Seb: you need that -pthreads option to make it work. |
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| 19:54.22 | citral | nicholsc: can't you ask your admin? or is using bittorrent not so fine in your network? |
| 19:55.10 | greycat | nicholsc: um. do *ANY* of your cron jobs run, at all? |
| 19:55.11 | Seb | greycat: well from the look of the gcc line I pasted aboe, it is already using this option, I think |
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| 19:55.35 | greycat | Seb: yeah. try pasting the conftest.c code into a file, and then compiling it with that command manually |
| 19:55.43 | Seb | greycat: k |
| 19:56.03 | greycat | you can probably omit the -O2 :) |
| 19:56.30 | Seb | heh |
| 19:56.55 | WW | Anyone know why enscript (or clicking Print in xpdf) sends output to an "lp" queue and not the default printer that was set up in cups? |
| 19:57.00 | vszach | where is the file where my apt mirrors are listed |
| 19:57.06 | bbeattie | Has anyone heard if linux.csua.Berkeley.edu is down temporarily or permanent? |
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| 19:57.17 | greycat | vszach: sources.list(5) |
| 19:57.20 | paulswm | vszach: /etc/sources.list |
| 19:57.22 | citral | WW: what does man enscript say? |
| 19:57.28 | Seb | greycat: oh actually in config.log the 1st reported error seems to be "gcc: unrecognized option `-pthreads'" |
| 19:57.30 | greycat | paulswm: close. |
| 19:57.39 | greycat | Seb: which gcc version? |
| 19:57.40 | paulswm | actulally /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:57.49 | paulswm | !beat me |
| 19:57.54 | Seb | greycat: 3.3.5 |
| 19:58.01 | greycat | Seb: very very odd. |
| 19:58.19 | greycat | sarge's is 3.3.5 and man gcc on sarge definitely lists -pthreads |
| 19:58.24 | citral | WW: I see a kind of a like of -P option |
| 19:58.32 | Seb | greycat: lemme try man gcc here on sid |
| 19:58.41 | greycat | Seb: are you sure "gcc -v" says 3.3.5? |
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| 19:59.03 | WW | citral: Sure, but shouldn't the default work without -P? I could swear this has "just worked" in other distros that I've used. |
| 19:59.10 | Seb | greycat: yes, But my man page mentions -pthread is only for Solaris |
| 19:59.14 | Tweak`TG-Owner | hi all, could someone point me to something that would explain if I need to do anything special with my new AMD 64 3000 processor to install linux. |
| 19:59.22 | sobersabre | paulswm: maybe i should increase MTU ?... |
| 19:59.36 | Blissex | Tweak`TG-Owner: well, send it to me first for extensive testing :-) |
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| 19:59.42 | citral | WW: I even see something like a ~/.enscriptrc file |
| 19:59.57 | abrotman | !tell Tweak`TG-Owner about amd64 |
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| 20:00.13 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: you need to decide if you want pure64 or not |
| 20:00.13 | greycat | Seb: ah, you're right. it doesn't like -pthreads on i386. |
| 20:00.21 | abrotman | i don't think multiarch is done yet |
| 20:00.23 | greycat | Seb: in that case, the configure script needs some serious adjustment.... |
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| 20:00.45 | Tweak`TG-Owner | abrotoman how can I find out if my game server hosting software can support pure 64 ( I dout it) if I dont want to do I need to do anything special? |
| 20:00.47 | Seb | greycat: ok, I'll see what I can do... Thanks for your help... |
| 20:01.00 | WW | citral: Your suggestion makes it sound like I will have to configure every other application to print to the defaut printer...? |
| 20:01.01 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: ask the game manufacturers? |
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| 20:01.10 | jelly | Hi, now I have an apache core file, why can't I get a backtrace out of it? It shows no symbols, all "??" |
| 20:01.23 | greycat | jelly: debian's programs are all stripped |
| 20:01.44 | citral | WW: no, my suggestion is that you may have already, or not, a .enscriptrc file that points to a wrong printer |
| 20:01.49 | Seb | greycat: heh, actually it was there just because I did LDFLAGS=-pthread ./configure :) The vanilla configure doesn't use it... |
| 20:01.49 | Tweak`TG-Owner | abrotman yeah I dont think they support 64. Would there be any andvantage to going pure 64? (do I need to be asking this in @debian54? |
| 20:01.58 | jelly | greycat: well, there is a apache-dbg package with an unstripped binary, but it does not work either. |
| 20:02.21 | CyberShadow | what do I need to add to /etc/apt/sources.list to for the apt repositories? the only on-line entry thene is http://security.debian.org |
| 20:02.28 | Seb | greycat: so when runnning the vanilla configure, I don't get the "unkonw -pthread option", but I still have the "undefined reference to `pthread_key_create'" |
| 20:02.37 | WW | citral: I see. The file ~/.enscriptrc does not exist. |
| 20:02.43 | abrotman | Tweak`TG-Owner: i'm sure there are lots .. #debian-amd64 if you really want to know .. but if you're going to run a 32bit game server .. afaik at this point .. you have to run 32bit debian |
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| 20:02.47 | ricky_clarkson | !wayttd CyberShadow |
| 20:02.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, CyberShadow? |
| 20:02.52 | citral | WW: other apps like emacs, elinks, or whatever may work properly. look at /etc/printcap and so |
| 20:02.53 | greycat | Seb: maybe #gcc or #c can help |
| 20:03.09 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: #gcc on irc.oftc.net, not freenode. |
| 20:03.13 | CyberShadow | ricky_clarkson: update my packages online with apt-get |
| 20:03.32 | ricky_clarkson | CyberShadow: stable? |
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| 20:03.40 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: eh? there are 38 people in #gcc here. |
| 20:03.42 | citral | WW: I _think_ the apps usually pick up the conf in /etc/printcap |
| 20:03.44 | CyberShadow | no... |
| 20:03.45 | Seb | greycat: k |
| 20:03.50 | WW | Sorry for more noobish questions: Does cups know about /etc/printcap? |
| 20:03.51 | ricky_clarkson | CyberShadow: Which? |
| 20:04.00 | Blissex | WW: no. |
| 20:04.08 | citral | lpr does |
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| 20:04.14 | Rocco | what can i do if ubuntu is "unable to find i2c bus information"? |
| 20:04.23 | greycat | Rocco: /j #ubuntu |
| 20:04.23 | ricky_clarkson | Rocco: Consult an ubuntu channel. |
| 20:04.24 | WW | citral: OK. The only thing in printcap is "lp|Generic dot-matrix..." |
| 20:04.30 | ricky_clarkson | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 20:04.31 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 20:04.33 | citral | Rocco: you read the /topic and join #ubuntu |
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| 20:04.49 | greycat | or you install Debian. |
| 20:04.51 | citral | WW: looks not good... |
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| 20:05.02 | FieldySnuts | yeah. #debian can actually support its users. |
| 20:05.03 | CyberShadow | debian sarge, Fri, 22 Oct 2004 |
| 20:05.13 | citral | WW: try to dpkg-reconfigure printcap, shouldn't be so empty |
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| 20:05.24 | ricky_clarkson | CyberShadow: apt-setup (I think) |
| 20:05.24 | WW | citral: Well, that explains why enscript and xpdf were printing to lp, anyway :) |
| 20:05.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:05.40 | ricky_clarkson | I think there should be a new distribution with a name like Yind - Yind Is Not Debian |
| 20:05.41 | greycat | why on earth would applications be reading /etc/printcap? |
| 20:05.53 | citral | that was only a suggestion |
| 20:05.59 | Rocco | fieldysnuts: but it is based on debian. furthermore i already asked in #ubuntu, but they don't know. and i always got my answers here in #debian |
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| 20:06.07 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: Windy Is Not Debian, Yo. |
| 20:06.07 | FieldySnuts | Rocco: shut up and read the topic. |
| 20:06.13 | citral | I have a special driver, from turboprint and it uses /etc/printcap |
| 20:06.13 | FieldySnuts | christ. |
| 20:06.15 | CyberShadow | ricky_clarkson: wow, thanks :) |
| 20:06.22 | ricky_clarkson | Rocco: If Ubuntu users don't know Ubuntu, maybe Ubuntu isn't worth using. |
| 20:06.25 | greycat | !they don't know |
| 20:06.25 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question does NOT give you the right to molest US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 20:06.27 | FieldySnuts | why do we have to go through this 50 times a day. |
| 20:06.32 | Rocco | fieldysnuts bad temperet? |
| 20:06.34 | greycat | FieldySnuts: because we aren't evil enough. |
| 20:06.37 | greycat | Let's change that. |
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| 20:06.41 | abrotman | Rocco: no .. you're in the wrong channel |
| 20:06.42 | FieldySnuts | please, do. |
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| 20:06.46 | ricky_clarkson | Rocco: Would you ask a Spaniard about French just because French people didn't know the answer? |
| 20:06.47 | FieldySnuts | Rocco: learn to read channel topics. |
| 20:06.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 20:06.50 | WW | Well, I've NEVER seen someone tell someone else to "shut up" on #ubuntu. |
| 20:07.02 | citral | that will come |
| 20:07.05 | FieldySnuts | greycat: thanks. I wish we took a slightly more stern approach to this. |
| 20:07.05 | resiak | WW: Well, they're all touchy-feely-nice but they are FUCKING USELESS |
| 20:07.10 | WW | Come on, where's the debian love? |
| 20:07.14 | greycat | !fuck WW |
| 20:07.16 | ricky_clarkson | WW: I'm going to go there and ask about Knoppix. |
| 20:07.16 | FieldySnuts | WW: fuck yuou :) |
| 20:07.24 | resiak | ricky_clarkson: Go for it :) |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | WW: we love debian .. not people who think they are using debian but actually something else |
| 20:07.37 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 20:07.48 | abrotman | and then expect us to help them |
| 20:07.49 | WW | Ahhh... now I see why I was warned about #debian ! |
| 20:07.50 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: "its based on debian and so is ubuntu so I thought it was alike" ? |
| 20:07.56 | abrotman | yep .. we're assholes .. but rightly so |
| 20:08.05 | FieldySnuts | WW: yeah. get mad at us for only wanting to support we make. |
| 20:08.08 | FieldySnuts | WW: go away troll |
| 20:08.09 | citral | not ashamed or anything |
| 20:08.43 | nvz | WW: debian has strict policies that we know and love. when someone demands support for a distro that breaks those policies, they are demanding that we know things we dont care to know about |
| 20:08.48 | WW | FieldySnuts: I will, as soon as I get this printing figured in my new 100% pure debian sarge installation. |
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| 20:09.06 | citral | greycat: so what are you suggesting apps read the printer conf from? |
| 20:09.09 | WW | nvz: Who "demanded" support? Her just asked. |
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| 20:09.14 | WW | s/Her/He/ |
| 20:09.20 | greycat | citral: they should either invoke "lpr" or "lp". Period. |
| 20:09.20 | sobersabre | dumped a hard disk block device, and tried to mount it with -o loop. bad superblock etc. |
| 20:09.25 | sobersabre | what is wrong ? |
| 20:09.31 | FieldySnuts | wtf? thunder. from a thunderstorm, in early march, that's very strange here |
| 20:09.35 | nvz | WW: I wasn't here, I was upstairs playing GTA-SA on PS2. :P |
| 20:09.36 | sobersabre | it was a partition. |
| 20:09.43 | abrotman | WW: and then he said "Ubuntu is debian .. and this is where i get all my answers because #ubuntu doesn't know" |
| 20:09.48 | greycat | citral: if you want to get *fancy*, you could have them pop up a dialog, where the user can type in the name of a printer queue, and then they could invoke "lpr -P%s" |
| 20:09.53 | abrotman | nvz: i think i'm almost done :) |
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| 20:10.03 | nvz | abrotman: almost done? with? |
| 20:10.06 | FieldySnuts | i would like to think people like him are trolls. the problem is, i've learned they're just brain dead. |
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| 20:10.09 | abrotman | nvz: GTA:SA |
| 20:10.16 | citral | PRINTER Specifies an alternate default printer. |
| 20:10.22 | citral | from man lpr |
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| 20:10.39 | citral | and I guess $PRINTER is set from /etc/printcap |
| 20:10.46 | nvz | abrotman: oh. I just started a new game when I got here. I just last night realized you could trip skip. I probably would have beat it ages ago if I had known about that |
| 20:10.47 | greycat | citral: wrong. it's an environment variable. |
| 20:11.00 | nvz | abrotman: I dont recall my game telling me I could do that, when I had it in Tx |
| 20:11.07 | abrotman | nvz: it doesn't work on very many missions |
| 20:11.09 | ricky_clarkson | WW: So far they've largely ignored me. |
| 20:11.14 | nicholsc | citral, what would be the reason that a script which i can execute from the command line wouldn't run from cron? |
| 20:11.27 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: you know, trolling other channels isn't really the best example to set. |
| 20:11.29 | nicholsc | so when i have a line like 5,15,28,55 * * * * /home/nicholsc/synclosure/gettorrents.sh |
| 20:11.33 | nicholsc | in my crontab |
| 20:11.43 | nicholsc | why would it do nothing, when the script runs fine |
| 20:11.43 | nvz | abrotman: that mission where you had to chase the fag on the motorcycle was a PIMA, and it helped a lot there. |
| 20:11.44 | greycat | nicholsc: what do you get in e-mail? |
| 20:11.45 | citral | nicholsc: wrong perms, naughty admin, script borked... |
| 20:11.53 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Fair point. I don't do it on home ground (programming channels). |
| 20:11.53 | greycat | nicholsc: do ANY of your cron jobs run? |
| 20:11.55 | nicholsc | no email |
| 20:11.55 | abrotman | nvz: not a nice word :) |
| 20:11.57 | nicholsc | yes |
| 20:12.02 | greycat | nicholsc: does "* * * * * echo hsidhfjsdkfh" run and e-mail you anything? |
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| 20:12.04 | abrotman | nvz: i don't think it gave me the optin there |
| 20:12.10 | greycat | nicholsc: if it doesn't, your admin has disallowed you access to cron. |
| 20:12.11 | nicholsc | i get emails about other cronjobs |
| 20:12.21 | nicholsc | i have a mkdir that runs |
| 20:12.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the length isn't set right for some reason... I have to figure out what's going on there. |
| 20:12.24 | abrotman | nvz: but i got some of them .. just not many .. not as many as you should |
| 20:12.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. gotcha |
| 20:12.31 | nicholsc | and an instance of find which runs |
| 20:12.38 | jelly | nicholsc: did you forget the newline at the end of the line in crontab? |
| 20:12.47 | nicholsc | the newline? |
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| 20:13.16 | nicholsc | you mean there should be an extra line |
| 20:13.18 | jelly | nicholsc: is there an "empty" line at end of the file? |
| 20:13.19 | pinu | can someone help me with this error cannot determine md version: no MD device file in /dev i can't create raids.. |
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| 20:13.28 | nicholsc | so the cursor should be on the line below the last crontab entry |
| 20:13.30 | FieldySnuts | pinu: load your raid modules |
| 20:13.31 | nvz | abrotman: thats the first GTA game really worth playing all the way through.. though it still leaves _MUCH_ to be desired. |
| 20:13.38 | greycat | you don't need a blank line, but you need each line to end with \n I suppose. vi always does that. |
| 20:13.41 | abrotman | nvz: i found VC to be more fun |
| 20:13.49 | nicholsc | what about emacs |
| 20:13.54 | nicholsc | which is what i use |
| 20:13.54 | greycat | gods only know what emacs does. |
| 20:13.59 | citral | WW: anyway man printcap explains all |
| 20:13.59 | greycat | crontab -l |
| 20:14.01 | abrotman | nvz: did you get to the part about taking over the purple/green/yellow areas ? |
| 20:14.02 | greycat | see what's in nit. |
| 20:14.05 | greycat | s/nit/it/ |
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| 20:14.07 | nvz | abrotman: for one, the damn paramedics, should take people to the hospital like they do, when you die.. instead of reviing them on the spot to start killing you again. |
| 20:14.11 | pinu | FieldySnuts : is loaded i think .. md 38256 - |
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| 20:14.16 | abrotman | nvz: heh |
| 20:14.27 | FieldySnuts | pinu: i don't know what that means, sorry |
| 20:14.44 | FieldySnuts | modprobe -v raid1 or raid5 or whatever |
| 20:14.46 | nvz | abrotman: no, when I was in Tx I had all the missions done except the BS mission with the fag on the bike. and couldnt get past it. |
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| 20:15.18 | nvz | abrotman: I just beat it a few minutes ago on my new game |
| 20:15.20 | abrotman | nvz: ah .. you're much farther behind than me .. they make you take over all the areas .. then you get kicked out .. then you hve to go back and take them again .. pain in the arse |
| 20:15.58 | nicholsc | nit? |
| 20:16.08 | nicholsc | s/nit/it? |
| 20:16.10 | WW | When I add a printer with gnome-cups-add, I give it a name, but this does not appear to be the same name used in the $PRINTER variable. How do I find (or assign) this name? |
| 20:16.13 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I know what happens. I've had the game since it first came out, and been playing on the same console with other people who play more than I do. you get sent away, and that crazy chic starts lining up jobs for you |
| 20:16.24 | abrotman | nvz: i'm way past that |
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| 20:16.32 | abrotman | nvz: i think about 85% done :) |
| 20:16.34 | greycat | WW: did you actually *set* the $PRINTER variable? Where? Why? To what value? Why don't you just *change* it? |
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| 20:17.14 | citral | WW: did you read man printcap? it says The default printer is normally ``lp'', though the environment variable PRINTER may be used to override this |
| 20:17.16 | WW | greycat: I just tried it in a terminal, to see what would happen. I then ran enscript, and it appears to use PRINTER. But it said the printer was unknown. |
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| 20:17.38 | CyberShadow | (22:17:31) Jasmine\17: http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos <--- ban |
| 20:17.42 | WW | citral: Right, and now I am experimenting with overriding it. |
| 20:17.44 | greycat | WW: no, lpr(1) uses PRINTER. Not enscript. enscript just uses lpr(1). |
| 20:17.49 | nvz | hmm I just realized I have a DVD+RW in this machine |
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| 20:18.00 | nvz | though its not hooked up |
| 20:18.15 | WW | greycat: But setting PRINTER changed the behavior of enscript. When PRINTER was not set, enscript printed to lp. |
| 20:18.19 | BrutusLinux | I just ordered parts to build and AMD64 server.........I have debian on my 686 server...I want to change it over, do I have to do a ful install to change everything over to 64 and is debian equally as stable on 64 as x86? |
| 20:18.23 | greycat | WW: fuck it. I give up. |
| 20:18.30 | abrotman | kungfu is also the same spammer |
| 20:18.35 | greycat | abrotman: also k-lined. |
| 20:18.40 | abrotman | oh .. didn't see it :) |
| 20:19.08 | citral | BrutusLinux: you can ask all this in #debian-amd64 |
| 20:19.08 | abrotman | at least they aren't working the beginning of the alphabet :) |
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| 20:19.14 | BrutusLinux | ok |
| 20:19.18 | greycat | you have hardware in your case that's *not connected*? |
| 20:19.19 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Hehe. |
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| 20:19.46 | tarzeau | bob2: trying to install my o2 again.... |
| 20:20.00 | nicholsc | greycat, so i know cronjobs can run |
| 20:20.01 | greycat | tarzeau: bob2's probably asleep |
| 20:20.06 | mwilson | WW: enscript obeys PRINTER. Most *nix printing utilities do. |
| 20:20.14 | nicholsc | should i try a really simple script and see if that runs? |
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| 20:20.21 | nvz | greycat: well its not really a case. its my brothers old pc.. its spray painted gold, and pieces of the front and side are missing. I had the drive hooked up, but I unhooked it the other night to hook my brother's hd's up and backup his data, when he ruined his new pc the other night |
| 20:20.27 | greycat | nicholsc: how do you *know* it's not running/ |
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| 20:20.55 | nicholsc | well, the script has echo "hello" in it |
| 20:21.02 | citral | WW: if you don't know how to setup an env variable, you should seriously google for an *nix tutorial |
| 20:21.02 | nvz | greycat: he got a new Gateway, has an AMD64 with 512MB ram, 200GB hd, nVidia Geforce 5200FX, and WinXP Media Center. |
| 20:21.03 | nicholsc | and that should be emailed to me when the script runs |
| 20:21.08 | nicholsc | because thats the output |
| 20:21.08 | mwilson | WW: a2ps does, enscript does, lpr does, etc, etc. |
| 20:21.17 | nicholsc | huh |
| 20:21.22 | nicholsc | it seems to be running |
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| 20:21.31 | nicholsc | the file just got created |
| 20:21.41 | mwilson | rei $ grep PRINTER .bashrc |
| 20:21.42 | mwilson | export MOZ_PRINTER_NAME=laser |
| 20:21.42 | mwilson | export PRINTER=laser |
| 20:21.47 | WW | mwilson, citral: My question is not how to set the environment variable. |
| 20:21.57 | mwilson | Even Mozilla has one it pays attention to. |
| 20:22.04 | greycat | mwilson: mozilla, of course, just invokes lpr. Unless you configured it differently. |
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| 20:22.22 | nvz | looks like this machine I got is an AMD Athlon XP 1700+, 512MB ram, S3 Prosavage KM133 |
| 20:22.23 | mwilson | greycat: Yes, but Moz passes the printer name. |
| 20:22.24 | WW | I added a printer called "Phaser-8400DP" using gnome-cups-add, and I successfully printed a test page using the "Print test page" option in the gui. |
| 20:22.36 | nvz | I thought it was an AMD k6-2, but I never really checked |
| 20:22.47 | nvz | I just assumed by how it looked it was older |
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| 20:22.55 | greycat | nvz: hell of a difference between a k6-2 and an AthlonXP |
| 20:23.14 | greycat | too bad about the S3. |
| 20:23.19 | nvz | greycat: yeah I havent tried to see if I can get the prosavage accellerated yet |
| 20:23.24 | mwilson | ww: Use lpstat. What does CUPS think is the name of the queue? |
| 20:23.33 | citral | WW: that doesn't mean the apps will use this printer by default... the test programm probably use a -P Phaser-8400DP by default |
| 20:23.37 | WW | But if I set PRINT to Phaser-8400DP, enscript returns "lpr: Phaser-8400DP: unknown printer" |
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| 20:23.45 | greycat | lpstat -t |
| 20:23.45 | WW | I mean PRINTER |
| 20:23.46 | streuner | after installing kudzu my setting in ALSA are every time away when booting, how can you fix that? |
| 20:23.51 | mwilson | rei $ lpstat -a |
| 20:23.57 | mwilson | laser accepting requests since Jan 01 00:00 |
| 20:24.01 | jelly | WW: what lpr do you have, is it one from cupsys-bsd package? |
| 20:24.04 | nvz | greycat: the savage driver would leave a X in the center of my screeen, so I am using vesa for now, its not a big deal, as my PB8538SVGA monitor is only 14" and struggles to do 640x480 in X anyhow |
| 20:24.10 | abrotman | mwilson: since the beginning of time? |
| 20:24.18 | nvz | greycat: though accelleration would let me play bzflag anyhow |
| 20:24.19 | WW | jelly: Just a sec... |
| 20:24.23 | streuner | of course kudzu isn't installed anymore |
| 20:24.36 | mwilson | abrotman: It's always said that. I just ascribe it to how brittle CUPS is. |
| 20:24.38 | streuner | but that bitch made some changes... |
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| 20:25.01 | mwilson | WW: So, what is the name of the queue? |
| 20:25.05 | abrotman | mwilson: sounds like a bug .. what do i know .. i have no printer ... |
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| 20:25.13 | dalaxi | hi :) |
| 20:25.39 | jelly | WW: you might be mixing different print backends, so lpr is from lprNG and lpstat/lp are from CUPS. That would explain lpr not knowing about your cups printer. |
| 20:25.39 | streuner | another problem is, its not possible to run xawtv or zapping, i think its the system SiS videocard itself |
| 20:25.50 | brosio | which fonts use dvd::rip? i see very very small fonts i think that they aren't correct :\ |
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| 20:26.12 | WW | jelly: I have the packages lpr and cupsys-client installed. |
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| 20:26.33 | mwilson | WW: Why do you have both of them installed? |
| 20:26.36 | greycat | !win jelly |
| 20:26.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:26.40 | jelly | WW: bad juju. Drop lpr, install cupsys-bsd if you want "lpr" binary. |
| 20:26.42 | greycat | mwilson: you have to ask? |
| 20:26.47 | jelly | yay me! |
| 20:26.47 | nvz | I may buy a cheap video card like the Geforce 5200FX or something to put in here.. its got an AGP slot, I can turn off that onboard ProSavage I guess. |
| 20:26.49 | WW | OK, what should I have installed? |
| 20:26.52 | mwilson | greycat: No, I suppose not. |
| 20:26.53 | streuner | could it be that a conflict with IRQ possible cause this? |
| 20:27.06 | mwilson | WW: LPRng and CUPS can co-exist. lpr and CUPS cannot. |
| 20:27.13 | WW | jelly: OK, thank. |
| 20:27.15 | streuner | because soundcard and tv-card use both IRQ 10? |
| 20:27.16 | citral | streuner: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 20:27.31 | nvz | I will someday soon when I get around to compiling a kernel for this box, see if there is any possibility of kernel drivers for the ProSavage. |
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| 20:27.59 | mwilson | greycat: You know, I'm not sure what enscript does if it can't find an lpr binary. |
| 20:28.12 | mwilson | greycat: a2ps just calls lp. |
| 20:28.16 | streuner | citral: very strange |
| 20:28.32 | streuner | 169: 7850 IO-APIC-level EMU10K1 |
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| 20:28.56 | streuner | citral: that should be usually IRQ 10 |
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| 20:29.00 | citral | 169... weird |
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| 20:29.25 | mwilson | streuner: <shrug> You have IO-APIC enabled. |
| 20:29.35 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.52 | mwilson | Hm, now there's a funky sharing for you. :) |
| 20:30.08 | streuner | mwilson: well, i have no idea what IO-APIC is at all... :-) |
| 20:30.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.14 | citral | streuner: did you look at your BIOS setup? |
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| 20:30.18 | vszach | hey |
| 20:30.30 | mwilson | citral: It's not the BIOS, it's the kernel. |
| 20:30.32 | vszach | i cant connect to my wireless router |
| 20:30.40 | streuner | citral: yeah, but i didn't see something to change... |
| 20:30.40 | greycat | aww. |
| 20:31.04 | mwilson | citral: If you tell the kernel to use it, and the BIOS has it disabled, it'll enable it. If you tell the kernel NOT to use it, and the BIOS has it enabled, the kernel will disable it. |
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| 20:31.42 | nvz | I wonder though, if I want to get a AGP video card for this POS, how do I know which ones are supported... all I know is there are different kinds of AGP slots, and I have noticed that they are not interchangable. I know I could get a Geforce 5200FX Ultra for like $30-40 or so, but I dont know really how to tell if this machine can use it |
| 20:31.48 | citral | mwilson: oh... didn't know that... I'm a newbie with x86 arch :/ |
| 20:32.09 | greycat | nvz: for practical purposes, there are only 2 different AGP slot types: the ancient AGP 1x, and "all the rest". |
| 20:32.10 | streuner | mwilson: its an official kernel |
| 20:32.11 | mwilson | nvz: A 5200FX is probably AGP 4x/8x |
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| 20:32.44 | WW | jelly: Thanks much... that did the trick. |
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| 20:32.48 | citral | I thought if you disable an IRQ in the BIOS, the BIOS is first. Now I see the kernel owns |
| 20:32.55 | PerfDave | nvz: I wouldn't bother with a 5200FX, the performance is really crap compared to the 5600. |
| 20:32.57 | danuvius | When I use apt-get update and phpmyadmin is updated it creates a symlink in /var/www I don't want it there, how do I make sure that with the next update apt-get won't install the symlink again? |
| 20:33.07 | nvz | well I know they usualyl have a notch in them, and thus wont fit into an incompatible slot.. this agp slot doesnt have any notch in it anywhere than I can see. its an AMD XP CPU, and I think the chipset is KM133 |
| 20:33.10 | greycat | PerfDave: he's upgrading from an S3. |
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| 20:33.29 | ricky_clarkson | Oh no, salsa-dancing spammers. |
| 20:33.32 | mwilson | PerfDave: I got a pair of 5200FX's for free... I think that trumps a 5600. |
| 20:33.34 | ricky_clarkson | [other than me] |
| 20:33.35 | jelly | WW: you're welcome! |
| 20:33.38 | nvz | PerfDave: point taken. I had an Geforce 5200FX Ultra in Tx, and it worked pretty well with bzflag and other games. |
| 20:34.02 | nvz | PerfDave: I know I want an nVidia, and I want the cheapest one that can handle all the games in sarge :P |
| 20:34.07 | PerfDave | nvz: I've got one, it's fine for Enemy Territory, but struggles with Doom 3 even at crap-o-res. If you're buying a new card, I'd go straight for the 5600. |
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| 20:34.26 | |S|-SalSa | lol not a spammer |
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| 20:34.41 | mwilson | PerfDave: D3 is a snooze, even with a whiz-bang graphics card. |
| 20:34.45 | nvz | PerfDave: also note I only have a 14" montior that can barely do 640x480 in X |
| 20:35.04 | nvz | I need to find a monitor as well |
| 20:35.05 | ricky_clarkson | |S|-SalSa: Are you sure? You seem to be in #wikipedia, #c, #php, #perl, #ubuntu, #debian AND #gentoo ;) |
| 20:35.12 | PerfDave | mwilson: Not half as much of a snooze as you are. |
| 20:35.16 | PerfDave | nvz: *shrug* That's my advice as a 5200 owner, you are of course free to ignore it. |
| 20:35.22 | orchid | nvz: you play bzflag on that? |
| 20:35.29 | |S|-SalSa | dont worry i wont |
| 20:35.30 | FlopsyPete | when I play DVDs with Totem on my laptop with a CRT monitor connected, the movie plays in the totem window on the flat-panel display but Totem's window is blank in the place the movie should show on the CRT. anyone know why? |
| 20:35.51 | citral | nvz: a Geforce 4 Ti4200 handles everything with a 850 Mhz here, except Doom3 |
| 20:35.52 | nvz | orchid: not yet, as I am unaccellerated. it runs like shit. and I dont have a joystick yet, I left it in Tx. |
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| 20:36.24 | nvz | I had no monitor at all here. I took this monitor off the Packard Bell 486 |
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| 20:36.43 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 20:36.43 | dpkg | somebody said qotd102 was <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
| 20:36.45 | greycat | nvz: I'd make upgrading the monitor a higher priority than the video card. |
| 20:36.55 | greycat | nvz: that's going to ruin your eyes and give you headaches. |
| 20:37.09 | PerfDave | (good monitors)++ |
| 20:37.13 | nvz | yeah well the monitor costs more, and I can probably find a used one being thrown out.. I am back home now, I know people |
| 20:37.18 | TheBarron | what? You're gonna .. oh, it was a quote from some retard.. |
| 20:37.29 | citral | (ibook monitors ++) |
| 20:37.37 | tsw | real men dont use monitors, they just stick their tongue in the vga port |
| 20:37.39 | ricky_clarkson | (LCD monitors)++ |
| 20:37.46 | PerfDave | (ibook monitors)-- # Apple |
| 20:37.48 | greycat | tsw: tongue? |
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| 20:37.52 | nvz | the 21" I left in Tx I got from a comapany in the Industrial park, and repaired it |
| 20:38.17 | nvz | I got a 17" CTX in the closet that needs repaired.. but I am not sure I can fix whats wrong with it, without a schematic |
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| 20:38.22 | ricky_clarkson | Real Administrators can't remove their tongue from coffee long enough to put it in a VGA port. |
| 20:38.23 | PerfDave | You can often pick up 17" CRTs for beer these days. |
| 20:38.28 | jhagg | anyone tried AMD sempron 3100+ with debian? |
| 20:38.35 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Real administrators have their coffee on an IV drip. |
| 20:38.43 | ricky_clarkson | When I was 17, I had some very good beer. |
| 20:38.46 | greycat | jhagg: if you want to buy it, buy it. |
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| 20:38.49 | nvz | that CTX had a beautiful picture on it, before I set the refresh rate too high :P |
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| 20:38.55 | greycat | jhagg: what do you need to *ask* us about? |
| 20:39.17 | PerfDave | jhagg: I don't think that anybody, in the whole world, has run Debian on an AMD Sempron 3100+. Even the people who have. |
| 20:39.26 | ricky_clarkson | Is Debian compatible with my Intel-compatible processor? Well, it's Intel-compatible, isn't it? Hmm?! |
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| 20:39.42 | danuvius | When I use apt-get update and phpmyadmin is updated it creates a symlink in /var/www I don't want it there, how do I make sure that with the next update apt-get won't install the symlink again? |
| 20:39.48 | figfig | Does anyone know of where I could get instructions on the way to bootstrap a Debian distribution from packages (sort of like what debootstrap does but manually)? |
| 20:39.58 | nvz | there is like a Transistor, Capacitor, and Diode that fried up.. and right next to it appears to be the same 3 componants.. so its a push-pull or a mirrored circuit, but without a schematic I dont know that I can be sure enought to fix it. |
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| 20:40.50 | mwilson | danuvius: Welcome to being an ACTUAL administrator. |
| 20:41.17 | ere | I need to have nice fonts in PDF documents created by pdflatex, I know that I need type1 fonts, but, how can I fix this on Debian Sarge? which packages do I need to install? |
| 20:41.32 | ricky_clarkson | danuvius: Construct your own version of the package? |
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| 20:41.43 | streuner | mwilson: so you saying you *have* to compile an custom kernel in order not to use IO-APIC? |
| 20:42.10 | nvz | well I am going to go grab a shower, and then go out for awhile. I see early signs of daylight fading, and I want to leave just before it comes. |
| 20:42.12 | ambycrao | when i change IP to eth0 from 10.1.2.10 to "ifconfig eth0 add 10.1.2.12" the settings is not being saved (I have to edit the interfaces manually, then it works), how can I fix this? |
| 20:42.16 | jhagg | greycat: well, it seems to be a crippled 64-bit cpu. And I remember the debate on d-d about arch amd64, that's why I'm curios. |
| 20:42.29 | greycat | ambycrao: interfaces(5) |
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| 20:42.48 | greycat | ambycrao: of COURSE you have to edit it manually. Jesus fucking christ, what did you *expect*? |
| 20:43.04 | mwilson | streuner: I have no idea. I would never use a Debian kernel... I don't know what options are enabled in them. |
| 20:43.05 | greycat | jhagg: just treat the sempron as a k7 and you should be fine. |
| 20:43.10 | danuvius | mwilson: :S |
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| 20:43.22 | danuvius | not the answer I was hoping for.... |
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| 20:43.25 | greycat | jhagg: I can't help you with amd64 or crippled versions thereof; /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 20:43.37 | nvz | hmm my time via 'date' is right, but in irssi it is wrong :P |
| 20:43.45 | figfig | has anyone here made their own debian distribution, and if so, what was the bootstrapping method? |
| 20:43.53 | nvz | I knew I changed the timezone and Installed ntpdate this morning |
| 20:44.02 | PerfDave | figfig: What do you mean by "made their own debian distribution"? |
| 20:44.09 | greycat | nvz: did you restart irssi afterward? |
| 20:44.11 | ambycrao | greycat, I'd thought that "ifconfig 10.1.2.10" would change the file interfaces but it's not after reboot |
| 20:44.14 | mwilson | danuvius: I imagine you could get dpkg-divert to do what you want, but I think that's depreciated. |
| 20:44.18 | nvz | greycat: nope |
| 20:44.23 | greycat | ambycrao: it does not. nor should it. |
| 20:44.35 | ricky_clarkson | mwilson: deprecated. |
| 20:44.37 | greycat | nvz: well that's why :) |
| 20:44.39 | ambycrao | greycat, and why? |
| 20:44.46 | greycat | ambycrao: because. |
| 20:44.48 | figfig | perfdave: collected or build a bunch of debian packages, and built a cd or even chrooted dir that can run and apt-* these packages. |
| 20:44.52 | PerfDave | ambycrao: No, ifconfig changes the currently running settings. So if you screw it up, you can reboot and its restored. |
| 20:44.54 | citral | nvz: maybe /reload would do it? |
| 20:44.55 | streuner | mwilson: the options are enabled in a 2.6.10-1-k7 official kernel, CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y |
| 20:44.58 | mwilson | ricky_clarkson: If I'd meant deprecated, I'd have said deprecated. :) |
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| 20:45.15 | danuvius | :) |
| 20:45.24 | PerfDave | figfig: You can use a preseeded installer with Sarge, which allows you to install a preconfigured, specified set of Debian packages. |
| 20:45.26 | danuvius | I'll look into it.... |
| 20:45.29 | danuvius | thnx |
| 20:45.30 | mwilson | deprecated = not recommended for use, depreciated = reduced in value. :) |
| 20:45.30 | greycat | PerfDave: not to mention the fact that ifconfig(8) is *not* a text editor, and isn't capable of parsing the interfaces(5) file and changing it intelligently. |
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| 20:45.39 | PerfDave | greycat: Well, yes. |
| 20:45.57 | greycat | it's *amazing* what horrible preconceptions people come here with. |
| 20:45.59 | ambycrao | PerfDave, ok, how can I know which commands that only change the currenly running settings? |
| 20:46.01 | figfig | perfdave: what is it called and/or what do I apt-get to install this tool? |
| 20:46.05 | greycat | ambycrao: ALL OF THEM. |
| 20:46.11 | dvs | appreciated = not me ;-) |
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| 20:46.12 | PerfDave | figfig: Google for "debian installer preseed" |
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| 20:46.16 | ambycrao | greycat, aha =) |
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| 20:46.30 | ribnitz | evening |
| 20:46.33 | PerfDave | ambycrao: Pretty much everything is changed in runtime. Permanent configuration lives in configuration files. |
| 20:46.37 | figfig | perfdave: thanks! |
| 20:46.41 | citral | greycat: could be that they just don't come from an unix background |
| 20:46.43 | punsad | logged into my debian server at home from work today and found that my /var/log directory is *gone*! have I been hacked? |
| 20:46.47 | ningo | ?Debian developers and advocates are rabid religious fanatics with poor hygiene that are even less-equipped socially than other geeks to get dates with the opposite or the same sex.? |
| 20:46.57 | greycat | punsad: possibly. |
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| 20:47.11 | PerfDave | ningo: Tell that to my fiancee ;) |
| 20:47.18 | ribnitz | punsad: hard to tell.. |
| 20:47.22 | punsad | greycat: anything I can do to find out, or at least to restore logging of all services? |
| 20:47.35 | greycat | punsad: can you reinstall? |
| 20:47.35 | tyia | assumption: when I want to disable ICMP redirects in a router, it should suffice to echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/send_redirects = 0 |
| 20:47.44 | tyia | but it doesn't work |
| 20:47.46 | PerfDave | punsad: If you suspect you've been compromised, all you can do is reinstall, and maybe run forensics on your old installation if you can back it up somewhere. |
| 20:47.47 | ribnitz | ningo: your image of a geek is wrong. |
| 20:47.47 | punsad | I do back up all /etc and /home to dvd.. so not worrying about data loss... |
| 20:47.58 | abrotman | bit rot! |
| 20:48.06 | tyia | the router still sends redirects |
| 20:48.18 | tyia | it's a 2.6.10 |
| 20:48.18 | ningo | "Debian developers are perhaps the strictest adherents to open source and free software development methodology due to their ?Social Contact.?" |
| 20:48.19 | citral | punsad: then just reinstall, and think on HOW you can have been compromised |
| 20:48.24 | punsad | abrotman: was that directed to me about dvd backup? |
| 20:48.27 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:48.34 | ribnitz | punsad: ok: for next time: also save /var, /usr, and /etc |
| 20:48.36 | PerfDave | punsad: On the other hand, any hacker worth their salt wouldn't do something as obvious as trashing /var/log... |
| 20:48.37 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: Dunno, but why does it matter? |
| 20:48.40 | greycat | "methodology". there's a buzzword. |
| 20:48.51 | ribnitz | punsad: I have a complete backup to another harddisk everynight. |
| 20:48.53 | mwilson | PerfDave: Yes, but most of them are kiddies. |
| 20:49.02 | punsad | PerfDave: yeah... but it is a pretty effective way of covering your footsteps... |
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| 20:49.04 | greycat | We already have a perfectly good noun, "method". |
| 20:49.05 | citral | PerfDave: on the other hand, kiddies are legion |
| 20:49.08 | synap | moin |
| 20:49.12 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: "pretentious word for 'method'" |
| 20:49.15 | citral | moyen |
| 20:49.16 | ribnitz | punsad: nopw. |
| 20:49.17 | greycat | Why did they need to lengthen it without changing its meaning? |
| 20:49.17 | synap | anyone an idea where the (windows) tool usbsniff can be downloaded ? |
| 20:49.19 | punsad | shit this sucks |
| 20:49.21 | ricky_clarkson | citral: moin moin. |
| 20:49.22 | synap | I need it for driver development :) |
| 20:49.22 | PerfDave | Any hackscript worth its salt wouldn't do something as obvious as trashing /var/log ;) |
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| 20:49.30 | ribnitz | synap: google? |
| 20:49.31 | tyia | ricky_clarkson: have a VLAN setup, where router has to route packets coming and going out of the same interface |
| 20:49.33 | citral | eh |
| 20:49.41 | synap | ribnitz did that, can't find it ;) |
| 20:49.43 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: Great. |
| 20:49.46 | PerfDave | punsad: Not really, in the same way that setting fire to your house isn't a good way of hiding that it's been burgled ;) |
| 20:49.57 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: So, why does it have to route them? |
| 20:50.16 | tyia | ricky_clarkson: there is a DMZ on one VLAN |
| 20:50.22 | TheBlueWizard | ningo: I could easily argue that GNU developers are even more strict adherents than Debian developers because they have to file paperwork with GNU (or FSF, I am not exactly clear which one is which)....be it copyright or whatever |
| 20:50.25 | greycat | PerfDave: well, more like tearing the motion detector camera off the wall and smashing it to bits and leaving them lying in the middle of the hall |
| 20:50.38 | punsad | PerfDave: yeah.. I suppose theres much worse damage you can do when truly 'invisible' |
| 20:50.38 | tyia | ricky_clarkson: and the other hosts wouldn't be able to access it otherwise |
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| 20:50.40 | brosio | which fonts use dvd::rip? i see very very small fonts i think that they aren't correct :\ |
| 20:50.48 | PerfDave | TheBlueWizard: Plus there's stuff which is GNU-Free but not DSFG-Free (like the GNU FDL)... |
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| 20:50.49 | greycat | brosio: how the hell would *we* know? it's not even in Debian. |
| 20:50.56 | ricky_clarkson | tyia: Ok, this is either over my head, or complete nonsense. Either way I dunno ;) |
| 20:50.59 | greycat | (unless it's been added recently while I wasn't looking) |
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| 20:51.13 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: gnu is also called wildebeest.. |
| 20:51.15 | brosio | greycat, of course dvdrip is in apt |
| 20:51.17 | citral | brosio: a look on the web site would have probably teach you since hours |
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| 20:51.28 | TheBlueWizard | PerfDave: I know...but I'm talking of "adherence" to policies, however that is |
| 20:51.29 | greycat | brosio: show me where it is on your local debian mirror. |
| 20:51.51 | citral | Maintainer: Christian Marillat |
| 20:51.53 | citral | ... |
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| 20:51.53 | tyia | ricky_clarkson: it certainly is not nonsense... works quite well, the redirects tend to spoil the soup though, used to have an iptables rule to drop them |
| 20:51.54 | greycat | the only place *I* know that has dvd::rip debs is marillat. |
| 20:51.55 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: There's the four freedoms.. |
| 20:51.58 | brosio | deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 sid main contrib non-free |
| 20:51.58 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: "Rose by any other name is still a rose..." :) |
| 20:51.58 | brosio | deb-src http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 sid main contrib non-free |
| 20:51.58 | brosio | deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat unstable main |
| 20:51.58 | greycat | and marillat is NOT debian. |
| 20:52.07 | greycat | brosio: see? marillat. not in debian. |
| 20:52.09 | PerfDave | Alioth is also not Debian. |
| 20:52.19 | tarzeau | and debian.net is not debian either |
| 20:52.23 | abrotman | and uhm .. |
| 20:52.27 | brosio | ... |
| 20:52.30 | PerfDave | And neither is backports.org |
| 20:52.39 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure that marillats packages are 32bit .. pure64 isn't .. can't run 32bit apps can it ? |
| 20:52.40 | doub | but... is debian in debian? |
| 20:52.42 | citral | badgers are, though |
| 20:52.45 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: and I know those 4 'levels' of freedoms.... |
| 20:52.48 | ricky_clarkson | doub: Only on a friday. |
| 20:52.54 | brosio | all pure 64 |
| 20:52.59 | PerfDave | abrotman: There's a 64 bit Marillat repository, IIRC. |
| 20:53.00 | ribnitz | abrotman: debian is not debian, for a proper definition of "is not" ? ;) |
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| 20:53.03 | brosio | the packages thay i have |
| 20:53.15 | greycat | ribnitz: is not *in*. |
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| 20:53.21 | citral | even debian has left #debian |
| 20:53.28 | PerfDave | brosio: So you're not running Debian, and you're using two non-Debian apt repositories ;) |
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| 20:53.32 | abrotman | ribnitz: i salute you with cheese captain of burma on tuesday with love from rabbits! |
| 20:53.32 | greycat | citral: too late. it came back. |
| 20:53.39 | citral | d'oh! |
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| 20:53.55 | ribnitz | abrotman: thanks, same to you. :) |
| 20:53.58 | brosio | PerfDave, yes bravo |
| 20:54.06 | Xero | I have a machine called 03-001 and I want to mount it using samba. Do I say mount //03-001/(mysharedfolder or whatever) /(directory on server where it goes)? |
| 20:54.09 | brosio | hai vinto un cazzo di gomma :) |
| 20:54.14 | Xero | Because when I do that, it says it can't find the special device |
| 20:54.15 | PerfDave | Pair programming? |
| 20:54.16 | doub | ricky_clarkson: you're trying to mislead me, he's in right now |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | greycat: mplayer is in the new queue .. does that count as being in debian ? |
| 20:54.22 | Xero | Which means I am doing the second part wrong |
| 20:54.25 | greycat | abrotman: when it's in sid, it does. |
| 20:54.30 | abrotman | ok .. goodie |
| 20:54.38 | citral | cf dwn |
| 20:54.54 | jelly | Xero: you say smbmount //03-001/share /mountpoint |
| 20:54.58 | paulswm | PerfDave: It's a ego-related food fight, innit? |
| 20:54.59 | Xero | Okay, thanks |
| 20:55.16 | abrotman | PerfDave: Pear |
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| 20:55.20 | stew | abrotman: its been in the new queue a few times before, and what if its accepted into non-free, then its not in debian either |
| 20:55.21 | Xero | smbmount command not find |
| 20:55.27 | greycat | !installit |
| 20:55.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 20:55.31 | abrotman | stew: gotcha |
| 20:55.36 | Xero | I already installed samba |
| 20:55.37 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: well, all the FSF(E) does is classify licenses into more free and less free and do the boring paperwork to enforce those. Besides they sell cool "hacking for freedom" tshirts.. |
| 20:55.52 | paulswm | That is a good factoid |
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| 20:56.16 | ricky_clarkson | doub: no lo se. |
| 20:56.18 | ribnitz | paulswm: then tell dpkg :) |
| 20:56.32 | jelly | Xero: or mount -t smbfs . mount doesn't know what to do with //host/share if you don't tell it it should be parsed as a samba share. |
| 20:56.33 | paulswm | :botsnack |
| 20:56.40 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 20:56.41 | dpkg | aw, gee, paulswm |
| 20:56.51 | paulswm | ribnitz: ^^ :D |
| 20:56.59 | ribnitz | paulswm: ;) |
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| 20:57.49 | doub | Xero: maybe you need smbfs then |
| 20:57.59 | citral | or even apt-file |
| 20:58.05 | doub | !info smbfs |
| 20:58.11 | dpkg | smbfs: (mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 3.0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 354 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
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| 20:58.46 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: well, FSF does more...like promoting the Free Software philosophy, and provide some support for other activities like EFF. It may classify some licenses, only with respect to its GPL to ensure that there is no confusion (withess the problems OSI is facing now) |
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| 20:58.57 | TheBlueWizard | witness* |
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| 20:59.12 | citral | but the best thing is still the t-shirts |
| 20:59.13 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: OSI is industry-sponsored. |
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| 20:59.58 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: it also translates letters into various languages and ships a few people around the globe to give speeches. |
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| 21:00.56 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: the ohnoneveragaibn emacs type, and some rather smart german.. |
| 21:00.58 | x091 | what mail server pkg does base-config setup? |
| 21:01.05 | greycat | exim |
| 21:01.24 | x091 | greycat, thanks |
| 21:01.24 | mwilson | base-config doesn't set up any mail server. |
| 21:01.34 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: industry-sponsored? I though ESR and Bruce Perens created OSI in an attempt to make "open source" thingey business friendly....and yes, translating is another activity that FSF does |
| 21:01.37 | x091 | mwilson, yes it does |
| 21:01.41 | greycat | I decided to interpret the question liberally. |
| 21:01.42 | mwilson | x091: Oh, really. |
| 21:01.51 | x091 | greycat, maybe not |
| 21:01.55 | x091 | i'm not here for an irc battle |
| 21:02.09 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: smart german? who? and what is this "ohnoneveragain" emacs? |
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| 21:02.40 | mwilson | Neither am I. But someone who manipulates base-config thinking it has something to do with a MTA is going to be disappointed. |
| 21:02.47 | kaiowa | how could i install mksquashfs? i tried with apt-cacche search but not found |
| 21:02.48 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: One is RMS, and the other is georg greve |
| 21:03.09 | TheBlueWizard | hmm...never heard of georg greve |
| 21:03.27 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: well, FSF != FSFE |
| 21:03.30 | nvz | greycat: I've seen your thoughts on your webspace, you seem to interpret most things liberally |
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| 21:04.03 | citral | well, don't we all do? |
| 21:04.05 | x091 | mwilson, so i selected exim to be installed and i did the 'configure mta'... is there anything else I need to do to get exim going? |
| 21:04.41 | greycat | which direction is it failing to go right now? |
| 21:05.23 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: ah...so Georg Greve must be the top guy of FSFE |
| 21:05.25 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: and I gather there is something going on between FSF and FSFE? |
| 21:05.26 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: yes. |
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| 21:06.11 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: well, the fsfe does in europe what the fsf does in the us. however its less centered around a person than the fsf |
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| 21:07.13 | ribnitz | TheBlueWizard: the FSFE also fight sogftware patents. |
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| 21:07.56 | Morrowyn | well they gonna go for software patents anyways |
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| 21:08.07 | ribnitz | Morrowyn: no, they aint. |
| 21:08.11 | TheBlueWizard | ribnitz: I see....I'm sure FSF also is trying to get software patent off the book |
| 21:08.15 | Morrowyn | its all abut big companies and money |
| 21:08.19 | citral | let's patent e=mc2 too |
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| 21:08.45 | ribnitz | citral: only if you pay me royalties on the equal sign :) |
| 21:08.50 | Xero | How do I symlink on Debian? |
| 21:08.59 | paulswm | Xero: ln -s |
| 21:09.00 | TheBlueWizard | Morrowyn: yeah...it looks that way...and I bet the parliaments are royally pissed by this dastardly tactic (nota bene: I'm an American and I may be wrong) |
| 21:09.03 | Xero | Thanks |
| 21:09.03 | ribnitz | Xero: man ln |
| 21:09.05 | greycat | same way you do on every other unix system |
| 21:09.10 | citral | alright, but I want 23% on U=RI |
| 21:09.24 | Morrowyn | well, the EU isnt all that democratic as it claims to be |
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| 21:09.53 | Morrowyn | im going to patent the alphabet :) |
| 21:09.58 | citral | Who claims it? How long are Italy, or Spain democraties? |
| 21:10.13 | sobersabre | Morrowyn: you can't |
| 21:10.20 | greycat | sobersabre: wanna bet? |
| 21:10.21 | TolkienLuver | Hi, i jsut performed a apt-get upgrade and i can't ssh into my box anymore |
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| 21:10.35 | greycat | sobersabre: I seem to recall someone patented the wheel recently. |
| 21:10.35 | CyberShadow | how to find what glibc version is installed? |
| 21:10.42 | greycat | CyberShadow: dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
| 21:10.44 | TolkienLuver | how can i ssh in now? :[ |
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| 21:10.54 | greycat | TolkienLuver: walk to the console. |
| 21:10.54 | Morrowyn | oh well, i patent ascii then :) |
| 21:10.57 | mwilson | x091: Other than test it and make sure it works the way you think it should? |
| 21:10.59 | sobersabre | greycat: it is possible to "patent" in some distal province of australia... maybe |
| 21:11.03 | paulswm | If I can find a way to deliver taser hits over IP, I'm patenting it |
| 21:11.07 | Morrowyn | makes you pay me 1 ct for every letter typed :) |
| 21:11.18 | sobersabre | but in eu or US you cannot patent thigs like that |
| 21:11.23 | doub | greycat: the patent might be accepted, that doesn't mean it's a legal one |
| 21:11.27 | TolkienLuver | greycat: hmmm.. |
| 21:11.28 | Xero | What is a good editor on Debian? |
| 21:11.32 | Xero | For text |
| 21:11.32 | TolkienLuver | greycat: okay. |
| 21:11.35 | mwilson | Xero: vim |
| 21:11.37 | greycat | Xero: whatever you're used to |
| 21:11.38 | Delph | Xero: emacs! |
| 21:11.40 | cureless | Xenguy: ed |
| 21:11.41 | Morrowyn | i use kate for x11 stuff |
| 21:11.43 | Xero | Well |
| 21:11.43 | doub | greycat: as was shown with M$'s FAT patents recently |
| 21:11.43 | sobersabre | Xero: vi :) |
| 21:11.44 | Delph | ba-boom. |
| 21:11.46 | dvs | Xero: xemacs |
| 21:11.46 | Xero | vim is too confusing |
| 21:11.51 | mwilson | Morrowyn: I suppose someone has to. |
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| 21:11.57 | dvs | Yeah! |
| 21:11.58 | Xero | what is the difference between xemacs and emacs? |
| 21:12.01 | citral | emacs21 0wns |
| 21:12.03 | greycat | Xero: you can limp along with "nano -w" for a while. |
| 21:12.04 | sobersabre | Xero: then try vi, it is more straight-forward |
| 21:12.07 | mwilson | Xero: Uh, if you think vim is confusing, you'll never get anywhere with emacs. |
| 21:12.10 | ribnitz | Xero: x |
| 21:12.18 | paulswm | Xero: there are lots, vim is a standard but arcane, emacs sucks, try nano as a starter maybe |
| 21:12.27 | Xero | Okay |
| 21:12.28 | pipeline | Xero: XEmacs was a commercial fork of emacs in the 90's, because the GNU people wouldn't accept patches. |
| 21:12.41 | Xero | I used to use on on RH that was awesome, but, I forget the nam |
| 21:12.43 | Xero | name* |
| 21:13.12 | ribnitz | Xero: nedit? |
| 21:13.12 | shingouz | my sweex webcam (supposedly running with sn9c102) is making my head hurt. before i start recompiling a different 2.6.9 here, is there some url or something that would be able to tell me what else do i need for the cam. usb and v4l for sure and the sn9c102 but are there other things that might come in handy? |
| 21:13.12 | cureless | Xero: pico? |
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| 21:13.12 | Xero | pico! |
| 21:13.13 | pipeline | Xero: I would suggest giving nano a shot, it resembles DOS "EDIT.COM". I personally use nvi, which is something you will find on all unix systems. |
| 21:13.13 | Xero | Yeah, it was pico |
| 21:13.13 | NOthsouth | Hello |
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| 21:13.13 | jelly | Xero: don't try joe. ;-) |
| 21:13.14 | mwilson | Xero: http://www.jwz.org/doc/lemacs.html |
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| 21:13.20 | greycat | Xero: you want "nano -w" then. |
| 21:13.21 | ribnitz | Xero: use nano then, pico is not in debian |
| 21:13.24 | greycat | nano is a pico clone |
| 21:13.24 | NOthsouth | I need an information, Debian 3.0 R4 runs Oracle 10g ? |
| 21:13.25 | Xero | Ah |
| 21:13.27 | Xero | ;_; |
| 21:13.31 | Xero | nano -w is close? |
| 21:13.40 | petemc | shingouz: i2c stuff, read the v4l how to |
| 21:13.40 | Xero | clone |
| 21:13.41 | Xero | :D |
| 21:13.43 | Xero | Sorry lag |
| 21:13.45 | mwilson | pipeline: Well, depends on your definition of "commercial", I suppose... Lucid Emacs was still GPL. |
| 21:13.45 | stew | Xero: pico is not in debian becuase its non-free |
| 21:13.48 | ribnitz | Xero: its a rewrite, very close. |
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| 21:14.06 | paulswm | pico, nano, geddit? |
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| 21:14.17 | pipeline | mwilson: It was, nevertheless, worked on by full-time programmers and sold as portion of a commercial product. Nothing wrong with commercial forks. :) |
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| 21:14.44 | shingouz | petemc: v4l howto. tldp i guess... i seriously need to have a bit less to do i think, forgot the howto. thanks |
| 21:14.53 | mrhemlock | editor is ed |
| 21:14.59 | greycat | !be ed |
| 21:14.59 | dpkg | ? |
| 21:15.13 | ribnitz | pipeline: everything that is commercial should be banned, its evil.. :O) |
| 21:15.16 | paulswm | !be an editor barbie |
| 21:15.16 | ricky_clarkson | I'm a big fan of sensible-editor. |
| 21:15.17 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 21:15.31 | GrayThunder | why would i be able to log in locally on an email server, but when I use a client the password is rejected? |
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| 21:15.36 | pipeline | ribnitz: Lucid is dead anyway. |
| 21:15.49 | greycat | GrayThunder: because your IMAP/POP3 server is not sshd(8). |
| 21:15.53 | stew | GrayThunder: becuase your email server isn't properly setup |
| 21:15.55 | cureless | GrayThunder: because the passwords might not be the same |
| 21:16.02 | greycat | GrayThunder: check your IMAP/POP3 server's configuration and ask the appropriate channel(s). |
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| 21:16.45 | danuvius | mwilson: fixed it! |
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| 21:18.01 | jnk | bye |
| 21:18.20 | NOthsouth | Debian 3.0 R4 runs Oracle 10g ? |
| 21:18.31 | ribnitz | NOthsouth: I think so. |
| 21:18.38 | danuvius | mwilson: had to share that ;) |
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| 21:18.51 | ribnitz | NOthsouth: but ask dondelelcaro, he knows. |
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| 21:19.25 | joe666 | hi, I'm using debian's 2.6.10 kernel image and USB storage devices take a very long time to unmount when conneected ti USB 2.0, is this fixed in the vanilla 2.6.11 kernel ? |
| 21:19.39 | danuvius | mwilson: DPkg::Post-Invoke in apt-conf(.d/) did the trick :) |
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| 21:20.04 | citral | joe666: changelog |
| 21:20.35 | doub | joe666: i bet it's more a config problem, like, you'd better mount USB storage device with the 'sync' option to avoid this problem |
| 21:20.36 | joe666 | citral, I'll look again, but have found nothing so far |
| 21:21.07 | joe666 | doub, oh!, that could be, let me try |
| 21:21.23 | doub | joe666: the default seems to work with caches, so dirty caches are only synced on unmount, which can take a long time if cache is huge |
| 21:21.44 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: You should read the Oracle 10 documentation. |
| 21:22.01 | GrayThunder | so, by default, sarge/postfix/ipopd is ssh? |
| 21:22.12 | greycat | GrayThunder: put the crack pipe *down*. |
| 21:22.30 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 21:22.37 | PerfDave | By "default", Sarge doesn't have postfix. |
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| 21:22.50 | greycat | nor does it have imap, pop3, ipopd, or ssh. |
| 21:22.52 | GrayThunder | it was a simple question. just looking for a simple answer. |
| 21:23.00 | greycat | GrayThunder: it was a nonsense question. |
| 21:23.10 | greycat | "by default, orange is plush?" |
| 21:23.25 | doub | greycat: yes |
| 21:23.28 | GrayThunder | then why did you attempt to send me elswhere> |
| 21:23.34 | dondelelcaro | greycat: no, by default an orange is slightly waxy, with a definite citrus tang |
| 21:23.47 | greycat | GrayThunder: you need to ask the channel that handles whichever IMAP or POP3 server you're trying to use. |
| 21:23.59 | greycat | GrayThunder: since you didn't TELL US which one that was, we can't even tell you where to go. |
| 21:24.02 | greycat | paulswm: happy? |
| 21:24.08 | GrayThunder | ipopd |
| 21:24.13 | paulswm | !prize greycat |
| 21:24.16 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: have you seen oracle 10g run on a debian box? |
| 21:24.25 | greycat | Description: POP2 and POP3 servers from UW |
| 21:24.27 | greycat | Dear GOD! |
| 21:24.30 | dondelelcaro | ribnitz: I'm pretty sure people run it, but I don't think oracle supports it |
| 21:24.36 | greycat | GrayThunder: run. run away. run away fast. |
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| 21:24.49 | dondelelcaro | run, GrayThunder, run! |
| 21:24.54 | solomonn | anybody got any ideas as to why boa would not be able to serve files over about 100kb? |
| 21:24.58 | solomonn | i am at a complete loss |
| 21:24.59 | GrayThunder | ok, i am open to a suggestion on a better one. |
| 21:24.59 | greycat | anything with UW in it is not something you want on your server. |
| 21:25.14 | joe666 | doub, now I get I/O errors, when mounting with sync option |
| 21:25.15 | greycat | GrayThunder: if you absolutely *must* use mbox format, try dovecot and qpopper |
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| 21:25.39 | PRO1 | hi |
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| 21:25.55 | greycat | solomonn: MTU issue? full duplex vs. half duplex? |
| 21:26.02 | GrayThunder | what other chioce do i have besides mbox? |
| 21:26.05 | greycat | !maildir |
| 21:26.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, maildir is a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by qmail and supported by mutt; see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html or k-rad, or runs you out of inodes when you have more than 60,000 mails, or Linux doesn't have 16-bit inode numbers, duh DJB's one good idea. supported by postfix, exim etc. and several final ... |
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| 21:26.12 | solomonn | greycat: wouldn't that be a network-wide problem? not just httpd? |
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| 21:26.14 | doub | joe666: that's pretty strange. no I/O error with default option, even on umount ? |
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| 21:26.26 | greycat | solomonn: what else sends big files from your box? |
| 21:26.41 | doub | joe666: check file system consistency, maybe that's part of the problem |
| 21:26.49 | mwilson | maildir is annoying. Use mbox unless you have a good reason not to. |
| 21:26.50 | ribnitz | Anybody knows whether there's an online or pdf version of the oreilly emacs guide (buig fat book, about 800 pages) |
| 21:26.55 | rob0 | haha "DJB's one good idea." |
| 21:27.03 | joe666 | doub, no no error, but let me confirm, I'll do that, will format the device |
| 21:27.05 | greycat | mwilson: I strongly disagree. |
| 21:27.14 | solomonn | greycat: i've done http puts, like with webmail. and sending attached files via smtp. and transfers with samba and scp... that's all i can think of off the top of my head |
| 21:27.19 | greycat | any serious mail server should *not* be using mboxes |
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| 21:27.19 | ribnitz | mwilson: mbox doesnt scale well? |
| 21:27.23 | CyberShadow | help! I started "apt-get update", and X locked up and restarted. After-wards, most package utils complained about a lock file, and I had to reboot. Now apt-setup seems to have disappeared! "bash: apt-setup: command not found" |
| 21:27.28 | rob0 | I think most people will do better with maildir. |
| 21:27.29 | florin_andrei | i've quite a bit of experience with RPM-based distros, but not much with Debian. I'm playing with a Debian spin-off (Knoppix) but the package management is a bit of an issue. i would appreciate some help with finding equivalents between RPM and Deb |
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| 21:27.51 | solomonn | greycat: oh, and before, with a completely different box, i got the same problem |
| 21:27.52 | mwilson | Knoppix is NOT a "Debian spin-off"/ |
| 21:27.54 | greycat | CyberShadow: it might not have been there to begin with. |
| 21:27.55 | citral | CyberShadow: did you run out of disk space? |
| 21:27.57 | solomonn | greycat: and when i install apache it works :) |
| 21:28.05 | greycat | solomonn: file a bug report. |
| 21:28.10 | florin_andrei | so, equivalent for "rpm -qi package" (info about package)? |
| 21:28.14 | PerfDave | florin_andrei: Have you tried reading the APT HOWTO on http://www.debian.org/doc/ ? |
| 21:28.16 | ribnitz | florin_andrei: ask #knoppix. |
| 21:28.22 | CyberShadow | greycat: it was there, launched it a few times today |
| 21:28.25 | solomonn | greycat: i guess i will.. i always hate to because i figure it will turn out to be some misconfiguration on my part :) |
| 21:28.30 | PerfDave | florin_andrei: "man apt-get", "man apt-cache", and "man dpkg" should tell you all you need to know. |
| 21:28.34 | CyberShadow | citral: no, still lots of space |
| 21:28.51 | solomonn | greycat: now that i think of it, though, i haven't even checked for a bug already filed. i'll do that |
| 21:28.53 | joe666 | doub, that fixed it, thanks a lot pal |
| 21:28.56 | greycat | CyberShadow: check $PATH |
| 21:28.58 | ribnitz | florin_andrei: add man apt-setup to those |
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| 21:30.36 | mwilson | You know, it's really sad that the xemacs web site hasn't seen any significant activity in almost four years. |
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| 21:30.56 | thomas_adam | abrotman: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/sea_bream.jpg my tea. :D |
| 21:31.08 | florin_andrei | PerfDave: the HOWTO looks good. i'll keep munching at it for a while. thanks |
| 21:31.10 | CyberShadow | it's in "/usr/sbin"... why isn't that in $PATH? |
| 21:31.15 | greycat | only a brit would have a picture of *tea* on his web site. |
| 21:31.25 | greycat | CyberShadow: how did you become root? |
| 21:31.27 | thomas_adam | greycat: Oi, it's a nice fish. :) |
| 21:31.28 | solomonn | greycat: ha, yup. bug reports seem to report a problem with boa's use of sendfile. and they say that boa uses sendfile for every file over 100k. what a coinkidink :) |
| 21:31.41 | CyberShadow | ah, I see now. sbin is for root only, right? |
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| 21:32.33 | greycat | CyberShadow: you tried to run apt-setup without being root? |
| 21:32.34 | ribnitz | CyberShadow: yep, |
| 21:32.52 | egkamp | I need help using my CDRW with Debian. |
| 21:33.03 | NOthsouth | Can I download debian 3.0 R4 ?.. our I have to download 3.0 r2, and update to r4 ? |
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| 21:33.28 | ribnitz | egkamp: xcdroast, gcombust, k3b.. |
| 21:33.45 | ribnitz | egkamp: whatch need? |
| 21:33.55 | egkamp | dmesg | grep ATAPI shows the drive, but no application can see it |
| 21:34.11 | egkamp | cdrecord -scanbus doesn't see it either |
| 21:34.12 | doub | is it possible to install debian, using d-i, over a serial console? |
| 21:34.13 | Blissex | NOthsouth: unless you have somewhat special requirements, dont use 3.0... |
| 21:34.15 | ribnitz | greycat: what kernel version? |
| 21:34.29 | NOthsouth | why? |
| 21:34.33 | travisat | egkamp: are you using 2.6 |
| 21:34.36 | ribnitz | egkamp: cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 21:34.38 | egkamp | gcombust "detect scsi" does nothing |
| 21:34.48 | egkamp | kernel? 2.4 |
| 21:34.55 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: You should be able to download 3.0r4 directly. |
| 21:34.59 | Blissex | NOthsouth: well, do you know the 'stable' update policy? |
| 21:35.02 | paddy | after a fresh Debian Sarge install i setup PostgreSQL and got no errors. but on bootup i receive the error message "postmaster did not start because of an unknown reason". when i manually execute /etc/init.d/postgresql it says the daemon is already running. and ideas how i can troubleshoot that? |
| 21:35.05 | ribnitz | egkamp: modprobe ide-scsi then. |
| 21:35.05 | paulswm | egkamp: cdrecord -scanbus -devATAPI |
| 21:35.14 | greycat | paulswm: eh? |
| 21:35.17 | paulswm | Woops, too late, sorry |
| 21:35.33 | travisat | egkamp: yeah kernel. |
| 21:35.36 | ribnitz | paulswm: I suppose ide-scsi still works in 2.4 |
| 21:35.36 | paulswm | greycat: what I said, it works |
| 21:35.38 | NOthsouth | What is the stable version? |
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| 21:35.50 | ribnitz | NOthsouth: woody |
| 21:35.50 | greycat | "-devATAPI"?? what on earth is that? |
| 21:35.53 | egkamp | paulswm: that shows the drive! so...ah...now what? |
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| 21:36.09 | paddy | no? yes? maybe? |
| 21:36.10 | paulswm | greycat: ^^ see |
| 21:36.10 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: The stable version is about 2.5 years old now, and only gets security updates; the testing version has significantly more recent software, but no security updates and more bugs. |
| 21:36.13 | dondelelcaro | paddy: does it work fine after you /etc/init.d/postgresql stop; /etc/init.d/postgresql start; |
| 21:36.27 | egkamp | paulswm: do I need to modify GRUB? |
| 21:36.32 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: or at least, more unknown possibly really bad, bugs. |
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| 21:36.39 | paulswm | egkamp: GRUB? |
| 21:36.43 | greycat | paulswm: it's not in my man page... |
| 21:36.51 | ribnitz | egkamp: what ide is your drive on? |
| 21:36.56 | Blissex | NOthsouth: you can read about Debian and its update policy on Debian.org |
| 21:36.57 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Fairly unlikely to be really, really bad. But I've had a lot more hassle running Sarge than Woody, bug-wise. |
| 21:36.59 | ribnitz | egkamp: like hda? |
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| 21:37.12 | CyberShadow | these errors won't go away, even after a reboot! |
| 21:37.12 | CyberShadow | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 21:37.15 | egkamp | scsibus0: |
| 21:37.16 | egkamp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.18 | CyberShadow | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 21:37.23 | paulswm | egkamp: cdrecord will work with /dev/hdX there X is your CDRW device |
| 21:37.23 | paddy | dondelelcaro, yes. thats the weird thing. it does |
| 21:37.23 | greycat | CyberShadow: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 21:37.25 | paulswm | Where |
| 21:37.26 | NOthsouth | PerfDave, can I open chat with you? |
| 21:37.28 | Blissex | NOthsouth: in particular, note that the selection of package versions in 3.0r4 has been almost completely frozen for several years. |
| 21:37.29 | dondelelcaro | CyberShadow: is /var/lib/dpkg rw? or? |
| 21:37.46 | greycat | CyberShadow: lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg |
| 21:37.48 | CyberShadow | greycat: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 21:37.48 | travisat | not on kernel 2.4 |
| 21:37.50 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: I'd rather you didn't. It's bettter to keep conversations in channel. |
| 21:37.51 | CyberShadow | oops |
| 21:37.58 | CyberShadow | greycat: /var/lib/dpkg/lock: 1958 |
| 21:38.02 | ribnitz | egkamp: i mean like primary/secondary master/slave? |
| 21:38.04 | Blissex | PerfDave: he msged me too. |
| 21:38.05 | greycat | CyberShadow: ps -fp 1958 |
| 21:38.09 | dondelelcaro | paddy: hrm... possible that postgresql isn't being stopped properly, and the lockfile is still around |
| 21:38.19 | Blissex | PerfDave: to ask me about things he could have found on Debian.org |
| 21:38.23 | egkamp | hdc |
| 21:38.28 | dondelelcaro | paddy: is this stable or testing|unstable? |
| 21:38.35 | drac | quick question, if one doesn't use NFS, SMB, or such at all (Only XFS and VFAT for Usb Storage) is NLSCODEPAGE (nls_cp*.ko, nls_iso*) necessary somehow? |
| 21:38.41 | dondelelcaro | paddy: rr, nevermind... you already said that it was sarge. |
| 21:38.42 | ribnitz | egkamp: hda: _NEC DVD_RW ND-2510A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 21:38.54 | greycat | drac: it's for Joliet extensions on ISO9660 |
| 21:38.56 | NOthsouth | well, can anyone tell me about debian,.. the versions, the most stable .. I don't reaaly understand this sarge.. wood thing |
| 21:38.56 | CyberShadow | ah, never mind, I had Synaptic open *dumb* |
| 21:38.56 | paddy | dondelelcaro, i tried to manually stop, looked into /var/run (was empty) and then rebooted. same thing :/ |
| 21:39.00 | ribnitz | egkamp: (dmesg |grep ATAPI |
| 21:39.03 | greycat | drac: (possibly among other things) |
| 21:39.09 | paddy | yeah, its a up-to-date Sarge install |
| 21:39.10 | drac | greycat: Ah ok, but if the machine doesn't have CD at all? |
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| 21:39.22 | greycat | drac: then I don't want to be in *your* shoes when you need to recover it. |
| 21:39.24 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: /msg dpkg releases |
| 21:39.31 | drac | :) |
| 21:39.41 | travisat | egkamp: have you thought about updating to 2.6 |
| 21:39.45 | egkamp | hdc: ATAPI 24X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
| 21:39.51 | dondelelcaro | paddy: does it print out any useful error messages? |
| 21:40.03 | paulswm | greycat: devATAPI, 'dev ATAPI' and 'dev=ATAPI' all work, I dug the one out of my bash_history, might have been a type but it worked anyway :) |
| 21:40.04 | NOthsouth | PerfDave, any debian had kernel 2.6 ? |
| 21:40.10 | paulswm | typo |
| 21:40.18 | egkamp | travisat: not sure how easy that would be...I'm new to Debian, from Mandrake |
| 21:40.21 | ribnitz | egkamp: add "hdc=ide-scsi" to your kernel boot paramers in grub. |
| 21:40.22 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: Testing has 2.6, Stable doesn't. |
| 21:40.22 | greycat | paulswm: are you sure it even *does* anything with "-scanbus"? |
| 21:40.28 | travisat | egkamp: its really easy |
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| 21:40.46 | greycat | paulswm: I'd expect "cdrecord -scanbus" to work properly on a 2.4 kernel with ide-scsi properly configured, with no funny "ATAPI" things |
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| 21:41.03 | paddy | dondelelcaro, it prints out "can not be started for an unknown reason". and i assume it cant be started on boot cause its already running |
| 21:41.03 | ribnitz | greycat: me too. |
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| 21:41.07 | paulswm | greycat: this is on 2.6, and it does scan and return the device |
| 21:41.10 | pipeline | It drives me nuts that cd burning under UNIX systems is still this hard. |
| 21:41.12 | egkamp | ribnitz: i knew I needed hdc=ide-scsi, and could do that in lilo, but this is my first time with GRUB, and "info GRUB" was less than useful to me |
| 21:41.12 | greycat | "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA" would be for 2.6 with ide-cd |
| 21:41.14 | NOthsouth | you said The stable version is about 2.5 years old now |
| 21:41.19 | valdyn_ | NOthsouth: www.debian.org/releases |
| 21:41.20 | ribnitz | travisat: I think that would be counterproductive in this case. |
| 21:41.27 | paulswm | greycat: and no ide-scsi enabled |
| 21:41.33 | NOthsouth | but the site said he current “stable†distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.0r4, codenamed woody. It was released on January 1st, 2005. |
| 21:41.34 | greycat | "cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI" is the deprecated ATAPI driver that you shouldn't use (or so I heard) |
| 21:41.40 | travisat | I have always found cd-buring much easier in 2.6 |
| 21:41.44 | greycat | paulswm: but he has 2.4, he said... |
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| 21:42.00 | ribnitz | egkamp: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst (as root). |
| 21:42.01 | greycat | travisat: most people with no clue and no unix experience will find 2.6 easier, yeah. |
| 21:42.06 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: The stable version has old software, but has new releases which incorporate security fixes to that old software, without making it more recent. |
| 21:42.24 | egkamp | ribnitz: holdon, let me look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:42.28 | paulswm | greycat: Oh, I missed that, got used to not having to mess with the ide-scsi hack |
| 21:42.39 | greycat | I could launch into a rant about Linux and not enabling SCSI emulation by default and not fixing bugs in the SCSI layers, but.... eh. It's time to go home. |
| 21:42.43 | pipeline | greycat: If the cdrecord author had his way, everyone would use Solaris x86 with SCSI->ATA adapters for their CDRW's. |
| 21:42.47 | ribnitz | egkamp: its commented and should be quite straightforward. |
| 21:42.52 | greycat | pipeline: :) |
| 21:42.58 | pipeline | greycat: Not that that wouldn't be my way, too ;) |
| 21:43.16 | greycat | pipeline: we use HP-UX 10.20 with SCSI->ATA adapters for our DVD+-RWs here at work. |
| 21:43.19 | PerfDave | Is there any real advantage to using SCSI emulation on IDE devices? Things seem to work more easily using ide-cd than ide-scsi. |
| 21:43.19 | ribnitz | egkamp: there's at least one line there starting with kernel |
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| 21:43.25 | greycat | pipeline: and cdrecord-ProDVD because *that's the only choice* |
| 21:43.30 | pipeline | greycat: That's hilarious. What are the host systems? |
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| 21:43.38 | egkamp | ribnitz, should I put it after root, or after kernel? |
| 21:43.41 | greycat | pipeline: B180L and B132L+ workstations |
| 21:44.07 | dondelelcaro | paddy: hrm... well, most likely it's /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/postgresql-startup that's outputing that information... but check the logs and see if there's any obvious reason why it would fail to start |
| 21:44.10 | paulswm | cdrecord says ide-scsi is faster, but I don't have any probs with straight ATAPI |
| 21:44.14 | ribnitz | egkamp: all at the end of the line, mine says ...root=... ro |
| 21:44.27 | greycat | paulswm: bear in mind that the cdrecord author is highly opinionated |
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| 21:44.42 | pipeline | greycat: And your work actually depends upon these? Backup servers or something? I'm not criticizing, I'm merely curious. |
| 21:44.43 | greycat | paulswm: and a bit of a perfectionist, as most good devs are |
| 21:44.44 | adamb100 | Hey yall, I got a toughy for u |
| 21:44.52 | PerfDave | It doesn't matter which is faster, provided they're both fast enough ;) |
| 21:44.54 | greycat | !seen u |
| 21:44.55 | ribnitz | greycat: so dvdrecord not working is normal? |
| 21:44.55 | dpkg | greycat: i haven't seen 'u' |
| 21:45.09 | paddy | dondelelcaro, the logs dont show anything useless besides the entry about a successfull start. as i said - i assume postgresql is started twice by the startup scripts or something |
| 21:45.14 | greycat | ribnitz: dvdrecord is a barely-maintained hack, and is laughed at. |
| 21:45.20 | egkamp | mine says: root (hd0,0) |
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| 21:45.26 | adamb100 | Sometimes Hotplugs fail to load causing the system to hang during boot up but when I start it up after it hangs, hotplugs work |
| 21:45.26 | greycat | ribnitz: on linux, your choices for DVD burning are prodvd or growisofs |
| 21:45.38 | paddy | and i had the exactly same problem with mysql-server-4.1 too till i removed it and installed 4.0x |
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| 21:45.42 | ncp | anyone had problems with proftpd when trying to fxp? |
| 21:45.46 | egkamp | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.27-speakup |
| 21:45.46 | dondelelcaro | paddy: do you see the same error if you /etc/init.d/postgresql start; after it's already running? |
| 21:45.48 | egkamp | root (hd0,0) |
| 21:45.49 | egkamp | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-speakup root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 21:45.51 | egkamp | initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.27-speakup |
| 21:45.52 | egkamp | savedefault |
| 21:45.54 | egkamp | boot |
| 21:45.57 | ribnitz | greycat: podvd being easier if you are used to cdrecord. |
| 21:46.05 | travisat | egkamp: put it one the kernel line |
| 21:46.08 | paddy | ncp, yes. ftp-to-ftp transfer is disabled by default in proftpd. |
| 21:46.09 | LSorense | ribnitz: dvdrecord was meant ONLY for Pioneer DVR-A03/103 |
| 21:46.14 | greycat | ribnitz: yeah. except for updating the script with a new key twice a year. like today. |
| 21:46.15 | egkamp | yep...just saw that! |
| 21:46.18 | egkamp | thanks! |
| 21:46.20 | LSorense | ribnitz: growisofs works very well though |
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| 21:46.39 | adamb100 | Why does Hotplug hang on every other start up I do on Debian Sarge? |
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| 21:46.48 | pipeline | adamb100: Good question. What does it hang on? |
| 21:46.54 | ncp | paddy : AllowForeignAddress on |
| 21:46.54 | ribnitz | LSorense: oh. ok. any idea how I get xcdroast to recognise I have the prodvd? |
| 21:47.02 | adamb100 | pipline: USB |
| 21:47.11 | ncp | paddy : with this setting it should be enabled? |
| 21:47.34 | pipeline | adamb100: That's sort of vague. I suspect it's probably a hardware problem. What happens if you disable hotplug? |
| 21:47.57 | adamb100 | I dunno how to disable it. If I boot it after it hangs though it works again |
| 21:48.00 | paddy | ncp, what are your settings for DefaultRoot, AllowStoreRestart and AllowRetriveRestart? |
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| 21:48.08 | pipeline | adamb100: Does it literally crash/hang, or just stop booting? (i.e. can you still ping-flood it?) |
| 21:48.33 | ribnitz | LSorense: no growisofs? |
| 21:48.52 | dondelelcaro | citral: where do you think growisofs is? |
| 21:49.09 | adamb100 | pipeline: Not sure, I can't do a ctrl + alt + del or do anything to it though when it does that |
| 21:49.15 | citral | dondelelcaro: uhhh... in congo? |
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| 21:49.16 | ncp | paddy : DefaultRoot ~ / AllowStoreRestart on / AllowRetrieveRestart on |
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| 21:49.22 | dondelelcaro | citral: in dvd+rw-tools |
| 21:49.35 | ribnitz | dondelelcaro: I have that other thing in the sothers... |
| 21:49.45 | pipeline | adamb100: Oh, don't have a second machine handy? I would try unplugging any USB devices and see if you can repeat the problem. |
| 21:49.46 | citral | oh, autant pour moi |
| 21:49.46 | paddy | ncp, and you are sure the other site is not the problem? |
| 21:50.02 | pipeline | adamb100: And/or simply disabling hotplug (chmod a-x /etc/init.d/hotplug) |
| 21:50.08 | adamb100 | pipeline: I disabled USB from my bios and that didn't solve the problem |
| 21:50.10 | ncp | they should work |
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| 21:50.43 | adamb100 | How do I disable it? |
| 21:50.48 | adamb100 | Where do I type that in? |
| 21:51.27 | ncp | paddy : i have open my fw so i dont think the problem is there, the filetransfer just stalle ( 500byte ) |
| 21:51.30 | NOthsouth | debian 3.0 rh have 7 cds .. what cds I need to install funcionally? |
| 21:51.50 | dvs | NOthsouth: one |
| 21:52.09 | NOthsouth | and about others? |
| 21:52.12 | dvs | NOthsouth: Actually, it depends how much functionality you want |
| 21:52.19 | NOthsouth | hum |
| 21:52.33 | NOthsouth | how gigas had everything installed? |
| 21:52.49 | dvs | !size woody |
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| 21:53.09 | NOthsouth | !size woody |
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| 21:53.23 | dvs | NOthsouth: You can't install everything. A lot of the packages conflict with each other. |
| 21:53.23 | ncp | paddy : just going to ready the faq again, maybe i have overlooked something |
| 21:53.29 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: You only need one to install, you can install everything else off the 'net. |
| 21:53.35 | PRO1 | what stable verson of debian am i best using for a 64bit dual xeon? |
| 21:53.41 | NOthsouth | humm ok |
| 21:53.42 | NOthsouth | thx |
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| 21:53.47 | PerfDave | PRO1: There is only one stable version of Debian. |
| 21:53.59 | PRO1 | oh okay |
| 21:54.09 | PerfDave | PRO1: Woody will have SMP kernels, but not 64 bit (emtwhatever) ones. |
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| 21:54.25 | PRO1 | right ok tnx |
| 21:54.32 | PerfDave | PRO1: Sarge has Intel 64 bit-optimised kernels, but is not (yet) a stable release. |
| 21:55.11 | PerfDave | PRO1: If you want a pure 64 bit system, you'll have to wait for Etch or play with Sid (the unstable branch) |
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| 21:55.53 | Maulkin | Lo PerfDave |
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| 21:56.21 | PerfDave | PRO1: For what it's worth, I'm running Sarge on my quad-Opteron. 64 bit kernel, 32 bit userspace, running 64 bit statically compiled binaries. |
| 21:56.49 | PRO1 | thats what i've tryed installing |
| 21:57.05 | darkcmd | PerfDave, etch is a long way off right |
| 21:57.06 | PRO1 | gettin a few errors but i'll sort it heh |
| 21:57.20 | Xero | Erm |
| 21:57.26 | Xero | How do I make it so XWindows never starts? |
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| 21:57.28 | PerfDave | PRO1: Check the BTS |
| 21:57.30 | PerfDave | Xero: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 21:57.32 | Xero | My machine tries to startx on boot and dies |
| 21:57.36 | Xero | I hate xwindows :/ |
| 21:57.39 | ribnitz | Any reason menus dont work in dvds (in xine) when I play a directory form hdd rather than from the disk? |
| 21:57.40 | PerfDave | darkcmd: Etch will be the testing release when Sarge releases |
| 21:57.44 | PRO1 | BTS? |
| 21:57.52 | PerfDave | Xero: Or you can fix it, /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 21:57.56 | PerfDave | PRO1: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:58.06 | ribnitz | PerfDave: who the heck is etch? |
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| 21:58.15 | PerfDave | ribnitz: The etch-a-sketch! |
| 21:58.17 | Xero | Erm |
| 21:58.27 | Xero | Well, when it does work there is a huge area on top that screws up |
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| 21:58.34 | Xero | and like.. yeah, it looks like puke |
| 21:58.38 | Xero | I hate GUI anyway |
| 21:58.46 | PRO1 | cheers PerfDave |
| 21:59.26 | PerfDave | Xero: Then why did you install X? |
| 21:59.29 | darkcmd | PerfDave, yeah but etch will still be like sarge was.. testing |
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| 21:59.32 | Xero | No idea |
| 21:59.37 | Xero | I didn't realize I did O_o |
| 21:59.44 | linuxcmlinei | >_>' |
| 21:59.59 | darkcmd | PerfDave, i mean its still going to be like it was when sarge was testing right.. get upgrades from sid |
| 22:00.01 | Xero | Anyway, time to go :D |
| 22:00.02 | PerfDave | darkcmd: Yes, but etch will officially support 64-bit x86 subarchitectures. |
| 22:00.26 | darkcmd | PerfDave, when its running as testing.. or when its officially released? |
| 22:00.48 | PerfDave | darkcmd: Well, you wouldn't introduce something like subarch support into a stable release, would you? :) |
| 22:01.11 | ribnitz | Any idea what is different if I have a dvd structure on the hdd or if I have that on a disc? |
| 22:01.38 | pipeline | ribnitz: CSS. Filesystem format. Block size. Region code. |
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| 22:01.50 | pipeline | ribnitz: maybe ATIP, I don't know. |
| 22:01.55 | darkcmd | PerfDave, how is that going to work?.. will users running testing have to specify whether they are ia32, or ia64 in their sourceslist or something? |
| 22:02.06 | ribnitz | pipeline: any reason the NENU selection does not work, but the rest works fine? |
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| 22:02.21 | pipeline | ribnitz: Couldn't tell you. |
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| 22:02.25 | PerfDave | darkcmd: I have no idea how it's going to work. It will involve some changes to apt, I suspect. |
| 22:02.40 | pipeline | darkcmd: ia64 isn't a sub-architecture. |
| 22:02.45 | ribnitz | pipeline: I can do everything except select an item from an onscreen menu |
| 22:03.17 | PerfDave | pipeline: I thought ia64 could run ia32 code, just very slowly. |
| 22:03.17 | pipeline | ribnitz: Perhaps the difference between relative and absolute paths, an issue with your software player. |
| 22:03.33 | pipeline | PerfDave: It's still an unrelated architecture. IA64 can also run PA-RISC code. |
| 22:03.44 | PerfDave | pipeline: *shrug* |
| 22:03.47 | darkcmd | PerfDave, hmm.. so there will be a new version of apt probably... will testing be a lot more unstable because of this change? |
| 22:04.06 | PerfDave | darkcmd: I expect that all changes will come through unstable, as usual. |
| 22:04.11 | pipeline | PerfDave: Also, ia64 would run unmodified binaries. I don't think it would be practical to optimize for ia64 as an x86 subarch because the implementation details are hard to find and vary processor to processor. |
| 22:04.15 | PerfDave | darkcmd: This will help filter out the biggest problems. |
| 22:04.23 | darkcmd | PerfDave, so it will probably be as stable? |
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| 22:04.51 | PerfDave | darkcmd: I have no idea, I don't know what changes are involved or how the Debian developers are planning on handling this. |
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| 22:05.09 | PerfDave | darkcmd: I don't think anything's been decided yet, from keeping an eye on how the amd64 port is going. |
| 22:05.27 | valdyn_ | darkcmd: amd64 will be just another arch, you wont be able to switch between them by editing your sources.list |
| 22:05.46 | CyberShadow | how can I sync my clock with an Internet time server? |
| 22:05.47 | valdyn_ | darkx: till multiarch is done, which might be 1+ year away |
| 22:05.53 | PerfDave | CyberShadow: ntp |
| 22:05.55 | linuxcmlinei | anyone know how to change your video chip set manafacturer from what you initaly installed it as? |
| 22:06.01 | CosmoDad | Hi I'm using fluxbox and have an 'ssh-agent fluxbox' process existing, yet when I log in through KDM I don't get asked for my passphrase and ssh-add -l says there're no keys -- why is ssh-agent not working on X login? |
| 22:06.11 | PerfDave | !drxx linuxcmlinei |
| 22:06.12 | dpkg | linuxcmlinei: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 22:06.20 | linuxcmlinei | thank you |
| 22:06.21 | poh | how can I determine wether a particular network device in plugged in in a script? |
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| 22:06.37 | linuxcmlinei | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.37 | linuxcmlinei | <dpkg> linuxcmlinei: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:06.38 | dpkg | linuxcmlinei: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 22:06.39 | PerfDave | pipeline: Ping it? |
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| 22:06.46 | linuxcmlinei | arg that copyed wrong |
| 22:07.35 | PerfDave | argh |
| 22:07.38 | PerfDave | poh: ping it? |
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| 22:08.36 | poh | PerfDave: I need to know if the device I have plugged in is eth1 or ath0 |
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| 22:09.18 | PerfDave | poh: I'm sorry, what you're saying doesn't make sense to me. Can you try rephrasing it? |
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| 22:11.26 | poh | PerfDave: I have 2 pcmcia wireless cards. only one of them is plugged in to my laptop at once. They have different device names. One is eth1, one is ath0. I have a script that needs to be able to determine for itself which is plugged in |
| 22:11.51 | pipeline | PerfDave: "ping it" ? |
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| 22:11.58 | PerfDave | pipeline: Misautocomplete, sorry. |
| 22:12.15 | PerfDave | poh: Could you not just use ifrename to set a consistent name? ;) |
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| 22:12.56 | CosmoDad | anyone know why ssh-agent is started on my machine but no keys are added unless I call ssh-add manually? I thought the agent would do that by itself |
| 22:13.05 | poh | PerfDave: yes, I will use ifrename |
| 22:13.09 | poh | PerfDave: thanks |
| 22:13.20 | PerfDave | CyberShadow: The ssh agent can't add keys, because it doesn't know passphrases. |
| 22:13.22 | PerfDave | ARGH! |
| 22:13.37 | CaT[tm] | hehehe |
| 22:13.37 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: The ssh agent can't add keys, because it doesn't know passphrases. |
| 22:13.52 | PerfDave | CaT[tm]: Shh, you're next when I misautocomplete CosmoDad ;) |
| 22:14.01 | CaT[tm] | :) |
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| 22:14.23 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: I know but ssh-agent should ask me for the phrase shouldn't it? |
| 22:14.31 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: No, that's not what it does. |
| 22:14.38 | PerfDave | I need to hack irssi. "You have used tab completion in this line. Are you sure you're not wearing your spack mittens? Press Ctrl-K to send to channel, Ctrl-C to abort" |
| 22:14.46 | ribnitz | gowisofs has proven itself to work well for getting dvd stuff to dvd? |
| 22:15.26 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: so how do I get that nifty little X window right before graphical login that asks for my passphrase? |
| 22:15.39 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: Right *before* graphical login??? |
| 22:15.53 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: Use a graphical ssh-add program, call it from your WM's startup script / .xinitrc / whatever |
| 22:15.59 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: well right after the DM is done |
| 22:16.02 | ribnitz | CosmoDad: they are called "display managers", xdm, kdm, wdm, gdm,.. |
| 22:16.21 | CosmoDad | ribnitz: just as I corrected :) |
| 22:16.21 | CaT[tm] | bdsm |
| 22:16.36 | PerfDave | CaT[tm]: no, that's called "using Gentoo" |
| 22:16.50 | PerfDave | "You filthy slut, you know you like pain! EMERGE WORLD!!! NO SAFEWORDS!!!!" |
| 22:16.51 | CaT[tm] | perf: hah! :) |
| 22:16.51 | linuxcmlinei | arg now kde won't boot -.-'' |
| 22:17.11 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: the ssh-add manpages states that ssh-add itself comes with a graphical variant... I tried adding ssh-add to fluxbox's startup script but that didn't work |
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| 22:17.56 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: Perhaps the graphical variant isn't called ssh-add? |
| 22:17.58 | ribnitz | CaT[tm]: I think bsdm is the one with more interactivity? ;) |
| 22:18.21 | PerfDave | linuxcmlinei: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 22:18.29 | CaT[tm] | rib: you'll use bdsm and like it. |
| 22:18.31 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: "ssh-add(1) asks for the passphrase (using a small X11 application if running under X11, or from the terminal if running without X)." |
| 22:19.03 | ribnitz | CaT[tm]: id you say so? ;) |
| 22:19.14 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: I know a KDM/KDE environment where this works perfectly, just don't know why it doesn't at my home using KDM/fluxbox |
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| 22:19.28 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: maybe it's a fluxbox issue and I'll ask in a fb channel |
| 22:19.49 | ribnitz | CosmoDad: does fb work with another one, like xdm? |
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| 22:20.03 | CosmoDad | ribnitz: should |
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| 22:20.23 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: Hmm, then maybe whatever it uses to decide if it's running under X11 (possibly $DISPLAY?) isn't set when it's called from your init thing. |
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| 22:20.29 | ribnitz | CosmoDad: than it might also be a kdm issue. |
| 22:20.35 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: It may be that KDE and fluxbox have different initscripts. |
| 22:20.53 | mwilson | I can see why it might be nice to have access to the server controlled by an encryption key, but why is it so overridingly important that you MUST have it? |
| 22:21.39 | ribnitz | mwilson: you could pretend to be someone else? |
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| 22:22.14 | mwilson | ribnitz: If you HAD the key, or you didn't have the key? I don't claim that the normal xauth is all that great, but is it all that hard to break? |
| 22:22.19 | CosmoDad | PerfDave, ribnitz: possibly |
| 22:23.22 | ribnitz | mwilson: unencrypted X would be braindead, imo. |
| 22:23.43 | abrotman | PerfDave: perhaps we should blame ralph ? |
| 22:23.55 | ribnitz | abrotman: nader? |
| 22:24.07 | PerfDave | abrotman: Let's blame mwilson, it's more fun |
| 22:24.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:24.26 | abrotman | i'd rather blame ralph .. and we find a ralph .. we'll beat the snot out of him! |
| 22:24.37 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: mwilson is to blame for your ssh-agent woes. |
| 22:24.47 | mwilson | ribnitz: So you're telling me that every time you start up X on your box, you have to provide a passphrase. |
| 22:24.55 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 22:25.03 | ribnitz | mwilson: no. |
| 22:25.07 | chealer | digital_: there's no need to say that |
| 22:25.13 | digital_ | amsg |
| 22:25.15 | mwilson | ribnitz: Then I admit to being very confused. |
| 22:25.20 | chealer | digital_: still |
| 22:25.32 | digital_ | but if you dont like ppl who are polite it's yur problem |
| 22:25.34 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: I'll remember that |
| 22:25.41 | muhoo_ | how can i "goose" a stuck ssh session to get it unstuck? |
| 22:25.51 | ribnitz | mwilson: by some magick of sorts (dont ask me) every x session gets an (autogenerated) session key. |
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| 22:25.57 | chealer | automatic messages in french on an english channel aren't polite IMHO |
| 22:26.00 | digital_ | just ban me if that's such a problem to say gn in french |
| 22:26.05 | abrotman | digital_: people and your |
| 22:26.21 | chealer | digital_: it doesn't deserve banning. I'm just telling you |
| 22:26.22 | muhoo_ | i.e. a temporary network outage (wireless) locked up my ssh session. hitting return a million times doesn't bring it back. but if i sit and wait 10 minutes or so, it comes back by itself. |
| 22:26.25 | digital_ | ok |
| 22:26.30 | mwilson | ribnitz: Yes, my .xsession is running under control of ssh-agent |
| 22:26.41 | mwilson | rei $ ps ax | grep agent |
| 22:26.41 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.44 | muhoo_ | i don't have 10 minutes every time some interference lcks up ssh |
| 22:26.49 | digital_ | i will translate this amsg into english just for u |
| 22:26.52 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:26.52 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:26.55 | PerfDave | My .xsession is running under the control of the Bavarian Illuminati |
| 22:26.57 | digital_ | next time =) |
| 22:27.03 | CyberShadow | where to find some ntp-compatible time servers? the only one I know, time.windows.com, doesn't work with ntpdate... |
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| 22:27.10 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: pool.ntp.org ? |
| 22:27.12 | PerfDave | ARGH |
| 22:27.15 | muhoo_ | i want to send it some signal to tell it to re-sync with the host |
| 22:27.17 | PerfDave | CyberShadow: pool.ntp.org |
| 22:27.18 | mwilson | CyberShadow: There's some reason not to use the pool? |
| 22:27.22 | Flimzy | I've transcoded a few ~40-min video files using transcode and the ffmpeg export module. When playing back the transcoded videos in xine, the "time elapsed" counter only updates every 6-8 seconds or so... so at the end of the 40-min video, it says only 4-6 minutes have passed. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:27.33 | PerfDave | muhoo_: man ssh - check the interrupt keys and the keepalive settings. |
| 22:27.34 | mwilson | CyberShadow: Since, after all, the package tells you about it right up front when you install it. |
| 22:27.47 | CosmoDad | PerfDave: using just one letter to autocompletion, geez you're lazy kind of guy :) |
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| 22:27.58 | mwilson | Oh, wait... ntpdate |
| 22:28.01 | mwilson | Hm |
| 22:28.02 | CyberShadow | mwilson: no it didn't |
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| 22:28.13 | mwilson | ntp does, ntpdate does not. |
| 22:28.13 | Spherical` | join #haskell,#quiet,#hprog,#lisp |
| 22:28.14 | muhoo_ | PerfDave: the keepalive settings make no sense to me. should i set it shorter or longer? |
| 22:28.18 | Spherical` | oops |
| 22:28.21 | PerfDave | muhoo_: No idea, sorry :/ |
| 22:28.23 | mwilson | I'm sure your ISP is running a time server somewhere. |
| 22:28.31 | PerfDave | muhoo_: It's not osmething i've had to play with. |
| 22:28.32 | CyberShadow | well, if there are other time-sync tools other than ntpdate, that would work as well |
| 22:28.43 | mwilson | My old one was, I run ntp myself now so I've never looked to see if cox does. |
| 22:28.44 | abrotman | Spherical`: what do they do in #quiet ? |
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| 22:29.05 | muhoo_ | ah i see |
| 22:29.15 | muhoo_ | ~R will rekey, that might work |
| 22:29.23 | Spherical` | abrotman, they sit there silently and type the occasional pun that isn't funny. |
| 22:29.27 | CyberShadow | mwilson: my ISP is too little and un-serious for that. They have a CS server, WoW server, Battle.NET server, but no NNTP/NTP/misc servers. |
| 22:29.32 | muhoo_ | PerfDave: can you share what worked for you? i can use that as a starting point and illustration of what to change/ |
| 22:29.38 | NOthsouth | I can't acess the linux hared folders on windows machines.. |
| 22:29.39 | Flimzy | CyberShadow: There are lists of public ntp servers. not sure where, but I'm sure google does |
| 22:29.44 | NOthsouth | I can't acess the linux shared folders on windows machines.. |
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| 22:30.05 | mwilson | CyberShadow: I have a feeling you want rdate, rather than ntpdate |
| 22:30.09 | PerfDave | muhoo_: I don't have the problem that you seem to be having. If my connection goes down, I just kill it, reconnect and reattach the screen session on the far end :) |
| 22:30.38 | abrotman | Spherical`: gotcha |
| 22:30.38 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: How are you "sharing folders" on your Linux system? |
| 22:31.02 | codbyte | does somebody knows how to stop the blinking cursor in the console (kernel 2.6) ? |
| 22:31.15 | BucWheat | how do i create a system cronjob ? |
| 22:31.31 | PerfDave | BucWheat: a "system cronjob"? |
| 22:31.32 | BucWheat | i need it to run a perl script every minute |
| 22:31.39 | Flimzy | codbyte: turn off your computer? |
| 22:31.42 | PerfDave | BucWheat: As which user? |
| 22:31.46 | mwilson | BucWheat: No, you don't. |
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| 22:31.48 | PerfDave | BucWheat: man 5 crontab |
| 22:31.51 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Why do you need to run a script every minute? |
| 22:32.05 | BucWheat | Flimzy it is for web appication |
| 22:32.14 | Flimzy | BucWheat: that's nice |
| 22:32.15 | BucWheat | Flimzy real time graphing |
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| 22:32.16 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Why do you need to run a script every minute? |
| 22:32.20 | codbyte | flimzy: i'de like a no-blinking cursor, simply |
| 22:32.20 | NOthsouth | PerfDave, by smb.conf |
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| 22:32.22 | Flimzy | BucWheat: okay |
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| 22:32.25 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Why do you need to run a script every minute? |
| 22:32.37 | PerfDave | NOthsouth: You might want to ask #samba or read the documentation at http://www.samba.org/ |
| 22:32.41 | BucWheat | Flimzy real time graphing |
| 22:32.42 | Flimzy | codbyte: there might be an option to do that with a fb console |
| 22:32.43 | mwilson | whyinhell would real-time graphs require running a script once a minute? |
| 22:32.54 | Flimzy | BucWheat: You're repeating yourself now. Why do you need to run a script every minute? |
| 22:33.12 | linuxcmlinei | hmmm that trouble shoot is horrible -.-'' |
| 22:33.18 | PerfDave | Why does it matter why BucWheat needs to run a script every minute? He can do so with cron, if he reads "man 5 crontab" |
| 22:33.33 | citral | ~-@-~ |
| 22:33.55 | codbyte | flimzy: i don't use a fb. anyway i won't bother you with such a meaningless question :) |
| 22:33.56 | mrhemlock | !beer PerfDave |
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| 22:34.03 | BucWheat | Flimzy this script queries sql db and dumps data to file then runs gnuplot that generates image |
| 22:34.09 | mwilson | PerfDave: Because solving his actual problem, rather than the problem he thinks he has, is probably a better idea. |
| 22:34.22 | BucWheat | Flimzy the webpage then refreshes itself showing the newly rendered image |
| 22:34.27 | BucWheat | Flimzy that is why i need it done every minute |
| 22:34.33 | CyberShadow | any server i give to rdate, it just sits there... how long does it take to sync? |
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| 22:34.35 | PerfDave | mwilson: What makes you think he's got an actual problem? There are legitimate reasons to run a script every minute. |
| 22:34.42 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Doing something every minute and running a script every minute are different things. |
| 22:34.47 | citral | oh, that's probably just that "realtime" was not the right word |
| 22:35.15 | mrhemlock | BucWheat, why no do the update only when page is acessed |
| 22:35.28 | mwilson | PerfDave: Do you think what he's described so far is a legitimate reason? |
| 22:35.32 | BucWheat | mrhemlock the page is up on a monitor all the time |
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| 22:35.44 | PerfDave | mwilson: I don't see why it's not. |
| 22:35.50 | Flimzy | BucWheat: Almost certianly you would be better off running your script constantly, and have it sleep for 60 seconds between queries. Or if starting the query at the top of every minute is important, just have it sleep until the top of the next minute, then query again. |
| 22:36.02 | FieldySnuts | who cares, let him make the choice. man 5 crontab , set it up once per minute. if you find out it was a bad idea after all, remove it. |
| 22:36.04 | cureless | simple hack: run something every second with "watch -n 1 program" |
| 22:36.14 | muhoo_ | PerfDave: thanks |
| 22:36.14 | citral | FieldySnuts: indeed |
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| 22:36.16 | drac | Trying to clean up system boot. Say I have only one module in whole system, that gets loaded at boot (in /etc/modules) but still there is hotplug(?) trying to find stuff at boot, can I remove hotplug, is that necessary for something else? |
| 22:36.22 | FieldySnuts | does he need it to run even when he's logged out? |
| 22:36.36 | mwilson | drac: You have no reason to remove hotplug. |
| 22:36.47 | citral | mwilson: to boot faster? |
| 22:36.49 | BucWheat | Flimzy k. i'll consider that |
| 22:36.53 | Flimzy | running a cron job every minute is stupid for a number of reasons. |
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| 22:37.03 | FieldySnuts | it's his system. let him do what he wants. |
| 22:37.04 | Flimzy | 1) it creates unnecessary overhead (of loading and unloading an application/script every minute) |
| 22:37.23 | Flimzy | 2) it can create lock problems if the script ever takes more than 1 minute to run |
| 22:37.27 | mwilson | citral: Oh, yes, and people spend SO much time booting the box that some infinitesimal fraction while hotplug displays a message is significant. |
| 22:37.28 | travisat | drac: you don't need hotplug |
| 22:37.40 | tummyacid | hello all i am happily typing this from a linux shell on a wireless connection just wanted to say it WORKS! thanx |
| 22:37.46 | FieldySnuts | tummyacid: cool |
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| 22:37.47 | BucWheat | Flimzy thanks for the advice |
| 22:37.48 | nedjerane | how can i tell which package version an apt-upgrade command will get? |
| 22:37.50 | drac | travisat: thank you. |
| 22:38.05 | PerfDave | nedjerane: What is this "apt-upgrade" of which you speak? |
| 22:38.19 | Flimzy | nedjerane: What is apt-upgrade? |
| 22:38.19 | nedjerane | oops, apt-get upgrade |
| 22:38.21 | mwilson | Other things depend on hotplug, too. |
| 22:38.34 | citral | mwilson: it's up to everyone. The first thing I do after installing sarge is removing hotplug, because i _like_ /etc/modules. Is that obviously wrong? |
| 22:38.44 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 22:38.44 | travisat | what depends on hotplug? |
| 22:38.45 | Flimzy | nedjerane: man apt-get should answer your question (I found the answer there in about 3 seconds) |
| 22:38.55 | mwilson | citral: As long as you don't use anything that depends on it, probably not. |
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| 22:39.45 | drac | travisat: Apparently udev does. |
| 22:40.02 | mwilson | citral: But the idea that cluebies should be running around deleting things really needs to be discouraged. |
| 22:40.11 | travisat | yes udev is dependent |
| 22:40.22 | citral | On anything > 800Mhz, the boot time doesn't make so much difference, but for a PII 300 Mhz I find hotplug boring |
| 22:40.31 | citral | mwilson: yes, that's right |
| 22:41.15 | Flimzy | Boot time has very little to do with CPU speed. |
| 22:41.15 | nedjerane | will apt-cache policy <package-name> tell me which package version apt-get upgrade will try to install? |
| 22:41.39 | Flimzy | Most of the delays during boot are not waiting on the CPU, but are waiting on peripherals that have nothing to do with the CPU. |
| 22:42.02 | citral | Flimzy: boot a 300 MHz router, then a 850 MHz Desktop, and say it again |
| 22:42.03 | resiak | mwilson: Then how TF would they install software? |
| 22:42.11 | mrhemlock | nedjerane, apt-get --simulate upgrade |
| 22:42.22 | mwilson | Most people running testing or unstable, unless they have taken steps on purpose, are stuck with udev anyway. |
| 22:42.27 | Flimzy | citral: I have a 200Mhz router, actually. It boots faster than my 2Ghz desktop. |
| 22:42.34 | mwilson | resiak: They wouldn't. It'd be great. |
| 22:42.48 | citral | Flimzy: ahahaha |
| 22:43.00 | Flimzy | citral: yeah... ahahaha is right... sucks to be wrong, don't it? |
| 22:43.07 | resiak | mwilson: Untrue. The desktop environment task doesn't seem to install udev. |
| 22:43.13 | citral | Flimzy: ahahaha |
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| 22:43.27 | PerfDave | mwilson: The most common (possibly only) way to get "stuck" with udev is to use gnome or gnome-volume-manager, neither of which are installed by default and both of which are easy to avoid. |
| 22:43.29 | Flimzy | citral: The reason it boots faster is that it doesn't have lots of fun hardware to probe. Like SCSI cards, USB ports, extra hard drives, etc. |
| 22:43.29 | mwilson | resiak: If it installs Gnome, it does. |
| 22:43.45 | Flimzy | citral: What slows down bootup is peripherals and extra drivers, and extra daemons. Not the CPU. |
| 22:43.47 | PerfDave | People who install Gnome deserve everything they get ;) |
| 22:43.52 | tummyacid | btw if anyone else wants help with getting madwifi drivers to work on sarge the instructions at marlow.dk work fine even though he uses sid |
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| 22:44.02 | mwilson | I could say the same thing out KDE. |
| 22:44.12 | resiak | mwilson: It installs the bits of Gnome that don't need udev (ie all bar gnome-volume-manager). |
| 22:44.17 | PerfDave | mwilson: Except that installing KDE doesn't install udev. |
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| 22:44.26 | Flimzy | citral: 'tis just common sense. |
| 22:44.27 | mwilson | PerfDave: Did I say it did? |
| 22:44.36 | tummyacid | why is that? it works with my dwl-g650 |
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| 22:44.38 | PerfDave | mwilson: No, you were just being stupid as usual. |
| 22:44.54 | ndee | hi there, how can I change the start behaviour of mysql in debian? Let's say I want to add the option --log-bin to the startup script, how could I do that? |
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| 22:45.07 | PerfDave | ndee: Edit /etc/init.d/mysql ? |
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| 22:45.10 | citral | Flimzy: I was speaking about =~ same hardware, aka IDE disk, usb mouse, one agp card and so |
| 22:45.18 | mwilson | PerfDave: "People who install Gnome deserve what they get." You don't agree that the same thing could be said of KDE? |
| 22:45.27 | PerfDave | mwilson: No, I don't. |
| 22:45.30 | pureone | :O |
| 22:45.33 | tummyacid | fieldysnuts: what do you prefer? |
| 22:45.34 | Flimzy | citral: Having a V8 engine doesn't get you thru 8 red lights faster than someone with with a 4 cylinder engine |
| 22:45.43 | PerfDave | mwilson: Because KDE doesn't install udev. |
| 22:45.47 | Flimzy | citral: Well... 1) you didn't say that. and 2) Software configuration has just as much to do with it as hardware configuration. |
| 22:45.53 | pureone | i love kde :) |
| 22:45.54 | mwilson | PerfDave: Again, I didn't say it did. |
| 22:45.55 | PerfDave | ndee: I would expect that there would be a variable near the top where you can add options. |
| 22:46.02 | PerfDave | mwilson: Again, you were just being stupid as usual. |
| 22:46.08 | resiak | mwilson: PerfDave is one of these strange people who likes KDE. I'm one of these strange people who likes Gnome. Personal taste. Now shush :) |
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| 22:46.22 | Flimzy | citral: Furthermore, you're contradicting yourself. |
| 22:46.23 | citral | Flimzy: forget it mmmkay |
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| 22:46.26 | adamb100 | Debian won't boot. It hangs on the USB portion of Hotplugs |
| 22:46.30 | efort | where can I find docs on using usb mass storage devices under debian testing |
| 22:46.37 | Flimzy | citral: A 300Mhz router and 850Mhz desktop *CANNOT POSSIBLY* have the same hardware. |
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| 22:46.54 | Flimzy | citral: There are no motherboards that support both 300Mhz and 850Mhz CPUs. |
| 22:47.03 | valdyn_ | adamb100: did deactivating hotplug not work? |
| 22:47.06 | mwilson | Flimzy: Untrue. |
| 22:47.17 | Flimzy | mwilson: name one |
| 22:47.28 | Flimzy | Socket 7 stopped at ~600Mhz |
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| 22:47.33 | adamb100 | Someone told me I shouldn't so I didnt |
| 22:47.36 | Flimzy | the next generation started around 550Mhz |
| 22:47.38 | mwilson | Flimzy: I own an Abit BH6 that supports a 300 mhz Celeron (ran one in it) up to an 866 P3 (has one in it now). |
| 22:47.51 | Flimzy | mwilson: I stand corrected. |
| 22:47.54 | paulswm | You move fast enough, you don't get caught on all the reds |
| 22:48.03 | Flimzy | citral: Okay, so maybe you have mwilson's motherboard. |
| 22:48.16 | mwilson | Somehow I doubt mine is the only one. :) |
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| 22:48.31 | Flimzy | citral: And you have identical video hardware, hard drives, RAM, network cards, and software configurations. |
| 22:48.36 | travisat_ | hmmmm |
| 22:49.02 | Flimzy | citral: Even then, I'd estimate only about a 5-10% increase in boot time with the faster CPU... *if* that |
| 22:49.35 | michal_ | anyone here have an apple airport extreme? i'm having so problems with mine.. i don't know the specs of the base station so i don't know if the problem is with it or my expectations |
| 22:49.48 | mwilson | Ooh, I could take that 866 and put it in the Dell... I forgot I had that. |
| 22:49.48 | michal_ | specifically the ACTUAL speed that the ethernet wan port can handle |
| 22:49.51 | michal_ | in throughput |
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| 22:50.04 | citral | michal_: airport extreme isn't supported by the linux kernel AFAIK |
| 22:50.06 | Flimzy | michal_: I don't have one... but I think I'd heard the extreme's don't work in Linux (altho it may have been a different model_) |
| 22:50.06 | mwilson | michal_: Of course you have the specs of the thing... they're on apple.com |
| 22:50.07 | michal_ | it seems to max out at 2.5megabytes/second or so |
| 22:50.26 | michal_ | doh.. sorry.. wrong channel :) |
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| 22:51.40 | adamb100 | How do I disable hotplug from the shell in the Debian cd? |
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| 22:51.53 | leonel | according to security.debian.org the last released kernel with updates was on april 2004 is it safe to use it ? |
| 22:51.54 | mwilson | Hm, speaking of Apple, anyone need a 450 mhz G3 module? :) |
| 22:52.14 | Flimzy | I need a G3 laptop |
| 22:52.24 | mwilson | Pismo! |
| 22:52.25 | D7 | what would be the suggested method for installing debian testing? |
| 22:52.34 | travisat | !di |
| 22:52.34 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 22:52.36 | Opiated | D7, netinst is what I prefer |
| 22:52.59 | Flimzy | D7: With a hex editor to your harddrive :P |
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| 22:53.07 | mwilson | Flimzy: Best G3 powerbook there was. |
| 22:53.09 | wasabi_ | Has anybody tried to use the debian installer with a serial cable? |
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| 22:53.18 | D7 | real comedian |
| 22:53.19 | wasabi_ | I want to ... boot off the CD< but use a serial console to configure/install |
| 22:53.22 | Flimzy | mwilson: are you selling it? |
| 22:53.24 | travisat | I installed debian with a toothpick |
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| 22:53.49 | Flimzy | wasabi_: that depends on what you mean by 'with a serial cable' |
| 22:54.02 | wasabi_ | Flimzy, minicom on a host |
| 22:54.18 | Flimzy | wasabi_: minicom? You mean you're going to zmodem all the .debs? |
| 22:54.21 | wasabi_ | no |
| 22:54.28 | wasabi_ | i said "serial console to configure/install" |
| 22:54.32 | wasabi_ | im not sure how better to say it |
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| 22:54.50 | Flimzy | wasabi_: ah. Well, sure you could do that. But why not just use ssh? |
| 22:54.56 | adamb100 | So, how does one disable hotplug from a shell? |
| 22:55.03 | mwilson | Flimzy: No, I wish I'd never sold mine, though. |
| 22:55.13 | citral | adamb100: don't know, ask in #debian-boot |
| 22:55.15 | wasabi_ | Flimzy, does the installer start ssh by default? |
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| 22:55.36 | Flimzy | wasabi_: by default? I doubt it. But you can easily install it. |
| 22:55.41 | wasabi_ | without a monitor? |
| 22:55.47 | wasabi_ | I don't know if i'm that leet. |
| 22:55.48 | Flimzy | wasabi_: Are you talking about doing it _before_ rebooting? |
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| 22:55.52 | wasabi_ | Yes. |
| 22:55.52 | Flimzy | wasabi_: You probably can't do that. |
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| 22:56.02 | valdyn_ | adamb100: did I not already tell you that? |
| 22:56.08 | Flimzy | wasabi_: Unless your BIOS supports a serial console (a la SPARC/Alpha/etc) |
| 22:56.13 | citral | wasabi_: the installer doesn't install so such thing as ssh |
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| 22:56.30 | wasabi_ | Flimzy, well, I can pretty much ignore the bios I think. It should boot off the CD by default. |
| 22:56.39 | Benji | Hello room |
| 22:56.48 | Flimzy | wasabi_: if your BIOS doesn't support it, you're probably SOL. |
| 22:57.03 | wasabi_ | why would my bios need to suppor tit? |
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| 22:57.13 | mogens | hi |
| 22:57.24 | Flimzy | wasabi_: You need your BIOS to support a serial console. |
| 22:57.33 | wasabi_ | i thought the kernel did |
| 22:57.35 | Opiated | send your BIOS and email |
| 22:57.38 | Flimzy | wasabi_: You might be able to replace the install kernel with a kernel that has serial console support. |
| 22:57.39 | Opiated | an* |
| 22:57.45 | Flimzy | wasabi_: it *can*. I don't know if the default one supports it |
| 22:57.50 | wasabi_ | ahh, so the install kernel does not have serial console support? |
| 22:57.55 | mogens | can i ask something.... im newbie running debian sarge 3.1 |
| 22:57.57 | wasabi_ | See, that's all I was trying to get to |
| 22:57.57 | ryan_ | I'm getting a perl error when I run sensors-detect in debian stable. |
| 22:58.03 | leonel | anyone with debian woody as producction server ? |
| 22:58.04 | Flimzy | wasabi_: I would be a bit surprised if it does. But it might. |
| 22:58.07 | citral | #debian-boot knows better again |
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| 22:58.10 | ryan_ | Can't locate subs.pm in @INC ........ |
| 22:58.12 | Flimzy | wasabi_: It's not too hard to make your own kernel for that, tho |
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| 22:58.57 | mogens | i have problems with dependecies that the server will not repair i have tried everything and folk son the danish linux.dk gave up |
| 22:59.20 | ryan_ | leonel, yes, lots of people. |
| 22:59.34 | valdyn_ | !tell mogens about ask |
| 22:59.42 | valdyn_ | mogens: tell us your error |
| 22:59.44 | Benji | Hello |
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| 23:00.18 | leonel | ryan_: and those lots of people use stock debian kernel 2.4.18 last updated on april 2004 ? |
| 23:00.35 | mogens | valdyn : my problem is im trying to remove a kernel, but debian wont let me do it |
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| 23:00.46 | ryan_ | leonel: I use it on one of my servers. |
| 23:00.48 | mogens | valdyn : the problem seems the dependecies... im newbie |
| 23:00.59 | valdyn_ | mogens: still to vague, we need the error message |
| 23:01.03 | ryan_ | with the packaged kernel. |
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| 23:01.23 | leonel | ryan_: I ask because I'd like to know if its safe to use as firewall |
| 23:01.28 | mogens | valdyn : ehm i takes a second or two all error messages is in danish i have to translate them |
| 23:01.32 | valdyn_ | mogens: and also the command you used to remove that package |
| 23:01.39 | citral | mogens: we can't help you if you don't give the _exact_ error you get, doing _what_ |
| 23:01.53 | valdyn_ | mogens: no you don't , do "LC_ALL=C <your command>" |
| 23:01.58 | mogens | thanks citral .. im trying to be precise |
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| 23:02.26 | mogens | valdyn : what do you mean by do "LC_ALL=C <your command>" ? |
| 23:02.31 | ryan_ | where do i file a bug report? |
| 23:02.43 | valdyn_ | mogens: how are you trying to remove that kernel? |
| 23:02.50 | resiak | ryan_: Try "reportbug" |
| 23:02.54 | mogens | can i paste the command ?? |
| 23:02.57 | ryan_ | lm-sensors requires perl, but the package does not have perl as a dependency. |
| 23:03.02 | valdyn_ | mogens: with which tool? |
| 23:03.02 | citral | mogens: not here |
| 23:03.07 | resiak | ryan_: Is lm-sensors in woody?! |
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| 23:03.11 | resiak | !info lm-sensors woody |
| 23:03.13 | citral | mogens: in #flood |
| 23:03.13 | mogens | dpkg |
| 23:03.14 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (Utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.6.3-5 (woody), Packaged size: 251 kB, Installed size: 824 kB |
| 23:03.18 | valdyn_ | mogens: you can , if its not more than 1 line |
| 23:03.18 | resiak | So it is. |
| 23:03.22 | Gathond | mogens: COLUMNS=100 dpkg -l |grep kernel-image |
| 23:03.33 | valdyn_ | mogens: already, dpkg is not meant for that |
| 23:03.48 | aleitner | anybody knows where i can get a recent libming deb from? (not sure why, but it seems its not in the official debian archive anymore) |
| 23:03.50 | Gathond | mogens: then do as i suggested in #linux.dk with the package name |
| 23:04.03 | ryan_ | resiak, yes, in woody. |
| 23:04.22 | valdyn_ | mogens: LC_ALL=C dpkg --remove <whatever> would be what you do to get an english error message |
| 23:04.24 | mogens | ehmmmmmm..... |
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| 23:05.15 | mogens | just pasted error in #flood |
| 23:05.31 | valdyn_ | mogens: great, so its not isntaled, you cant remove it, you have no error |
| 23:05.31 | citral | it's not installed... |
| 23:05.32 | mogens | and command |
| 23:05.33 | resiak | ryan_: Yeah, I just saw. |
| 23:05.42 | citral | mogens: it's NOT an error |
| 23:06.00 | mogens | hmmm i can see it on my harddisk when i look with winscp |
| 23:06.14 | blue_ | anyone ever made a fourm with flags marked with whether or not a person has read the message? |
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| 23:06.28 | valdyn_ | mogens: type "dpkg -l | grep kernel-image" |
| 23:06.44 | valdyn_ | mogens: it will list you what you _really_ have installed |
| 23:06.55 | citral | mogens: it's kernel-image-2.4.26-something tipically |
| 23:07.03 | citral | uh |
| 23:07.05 | mogens | pasted in #flood |
| 23:07.11 | citral | !spell tipically |
| 23:07.12 | valdyn_ | mogens: understand? _that_ as pasted is the name(s) of the packages |
| 23:07.13 | dpkg | possible spellings for tipically: topically typically |
| 23:07.28 | blue_ | hey, thats cool |
| 23:07.33 | mogens | valdyn : ?? |
| 23:07.39 | citral | so it's kernel-image-2.4.26-386 probably |
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| 23:08.03 | mogens | well it seems it boot with another kernel thought |
| 23:08.08 | resiak | blue_: Try googling it. |
| 23:08.19 | mogens | 2.4.27 i think.... |
| 23:08.35 | travisat | =0i] |
| 23:08.35 | citral | mogens: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.26 |
| 23:08.36 | mogens | uname -a gives me thats as a result |
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| 23:08.55 | citral | mogens: you will see the complete name of the package |
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| 23:09.08 | mmayer | anyone know where icons are stored by default? I thought it was /usr/lib ... trying to config xfwm |
| 23:09.15 | mogens | citral : i waiting for a result on my server :-) |
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| 23:09.32 | blue_ | resiak: I need ideas on how, either a HUGE table with a posters ID and the message ID or even and odds or something, I was wondering if anyone knew another way |
| 23:09.37 | citral | mmayer: /usr/share/something probably |
| 23:09.39 | karsten | mogens: /usr/share/icons. 'locate icon' |
| 23:09.42 | mogens | cistral : it says : kernel-image-2.4.26-1-386 |
| 23:09.46 | mmayer | thanks |
| 23:09.55 | mogens | karsten : why ? |
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| 23:10.16 | citral | mogens: so that's what you "probably" wants to remove, assuming you want to keep the 2.4.27 version |
| 23:10.17 | adamb100 | So I tried to disable hotplugs and it didn't work |
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| 23:10.28 | resiak | !tell blue_ -about polls |
| 23:10.31 | mogens | cistral : correct |
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| 23:10.50 | patofiero | mooo |
| 23:10.58 | citral | mogens: unfortunately, dpkg -l "eats" a part of the package name |
| 23:11.12 | mogens | cistral : and that means ? |
| 23:11.16 | karsten | mogens: Um. Wrong nick ;-) |
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| 23:11.20 | blue_ | asking for any ideas is not a poll |
| 23:11.22 | JohnGH | Lookout, that Canuck has BSE!!! |
| 23:11.28 | karsten | mmayer: /usr/share/icons. 'locate icon' |
| 23:11.32 | mogens | JOhnGH : LOL |
| 23:11.34 | citral | mogens: that means "apt-get remove --purge kernel-image-2.4.26-1-386" |
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| 23:11.42 | JohnGH | citral: easy... |
| 23:11.42 | valdyn_ | mogens: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image , then you see the full packagename |
| 23:11.52 | citral | JohnGH: yay |
| 23:11.53 | ryan_ | well, i filed a bug report about it. |
| 23:12.05 | resiak | ryan_: Good good. |
| 23:12.05 | JohnGH | citral: (export COLUMNS=256;dpkg --list) | grep package |
| 23:12.19 | citral | roger |
| 23:12.24 | mogens | me ? |
| 23:12.29 | alekibango | hello.. did someone noticed EU PATENT PROBLEM? |
| 23:12.40 | JohnGH | valdyn_: if you put it inside the (..) then you don't spam your screen for everything after that. |
| 23:12.52 | citral | alekibango: about every EU *nix user? |
| 23:12.53 | resiak | !someone |
| 23:12.54 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:12.59 | JohnGH | alekibango: we're all impatient here :o( |
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| 23:13.14 | kyncani | alekibango: mee too ::( |
| 23:13.18 | citral | alekibango: aplready patented e=mc2 |
| 23:13.40 | valdyn_ | JohnGH: in which terminal? its of no use in mine ( gnome-terminal ) |
| 23:13.42 | alekibango | they agreed to have software patents ...... we have one last small chance to stop them |
| 23:13.49 | JohnGH | I think someone needs to sue light! |
| 23:13.56 | mogens | cistral : i am trying : LC_ALL=C dpkg --remove kernel-image-2.4.26-1-386 |
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| 23:14.03 | JohnGH | valdyn_: why no use? |
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| 23:14.18 | alekibango | today they did agreed on patents... |
| 23:14.20 | JohnGH | valdyn_: does export COLS=256 work instead? |
| 23:14.26 | alekibango | so i will prolly leave EU |
| 23:14.32 | chealer | wtf |
| 23:14.41 | valdyn_ | JohnGH: because the output is even worse than with just COLUMNS=200 ... |
| 23:14.44 | JohnGH | alekibango: let's all go... last one out turn out the lights. |
| 23:14.51 | alekibango | hehe |
| 23:14.53 | JohnGH | even worse? |
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| 23:15.00 | chealer | UUUUURRRRR |
| 23:15.07 | valdyn_ | JohnGH: actually, its identical |
| 23:15.07 | alekibango | JohnGH: there is still a small chance - EU parliament |
| 23:15.13 | JohnGH | valdyn_: you mean too wide? |
| 23:15.28 | alekibango | we as people need to get really acting |
| 23:15.30 | alekibango | all of us |
| 23:15.33 | valdyn_ | JohnGH: both lines produce exactly the same result |
| 23:15.34 | alekibango | or we are fucked |
| 23:15.36 | JohnGH | alekibango: no, they're powerless... they're actually controlled by America |
| 23:15.50 | citral | agreed |
| 23:15.55 | alekibango | JohnGH: and america is controled from england ? :D |
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| 23:15.56 | mogens | cristal : i paste in #flood. pls tell me if ok ? |
| 23:16.10 | valdyn_ | mogens: do not use dpkg |
| 23:16.14 | valdyn_ | mogens: not for that |
| 23:16.19 | alekibango | there is lot of political power in people |
| 23:16.28 | JohnGH | valdyn_: exactly the same as not doing an export COLUMNS, or do you mean the brackets is the same as no brackets? |
| 23:16.30 | mogens | valdyn : i have already done it |
| 23:16.31 | alekibango | do not throw it away... please do something everyone |
| 23:16.41 | mogens | valdyn : what now ? |
| 23:16.45 | FieldySnuts | yeah right. got ignored in that case. |
| 23:16.47 | PerfDave | No, England is controlled by America. |
| 23:16.54 | FieldySnuts | no no that's canada. |
| 23:16.57 | alekibango | they cannot do it if 1000.000 people will come (with rifles) into eu parliament :D |
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| 23:17.04 | valdyn_ | mogens: nothing, things should be alright in case of this package, thats a general hint |
| 23:17.08 | JohnGH | alekibango: no, America is actually controlled by a little country in the Middle East, but that's another story |
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| 23:17.22 | alekibango | JohnGH: hehe no... :) |
| 23:17.23 | citral | alindeman: wrong place, try #revolution |
| 23:17.33 | JohnGH | alekibango: no what? |
| 23:17.33 | citral | alekibango: meant for you |
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| 23:17.38 | alekibango | JohnGH: look on one dollar bill - that says something |
| 23:17.47 | mogens | valdyn : now i need to remove a package gimp..... it will not be removed.... du i just do a apt-get -f install ?? |
| 23:17.57 | mogens | valdyn : problem with dependicies |
| 23:18.01 | valdyn_ | mogens: apt-get remove gimp |
| 23:18.07 | JohnGH | alekibango: read up on it - the Dollar bill doesn't actually mean anything since the 1920s... |
| 23:18.14 | alekibango | i know about it |
| 23:18.16 | valdyn_ | mogens: use apt-get as I told you 3 times ) |
| 23:18.19 | alekibango | from 1913 |
| 23:18.22 | alekibango | btw :D |
| 23:18.22 | FieldySnuts | so much for governments working for The People |
| 23:18.27 | FieldySnuts | </politics> |
| 23:18.38 | alekibango | we need to get rid of this undemocratic politics |
| 23:18.45 | resiak | !politics |
| 23:18.45 | dpkg | it has been said that politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 23:18.47 | JohnGH | FieldySnuts: that was Stalin wasn't it? |
| 23:18.51 | JohnGH | and Hitler |
| 23:18.58 | resiak | :-) |
| 23:19.01 | mogens | valdyn : just pasted result in #flood didnt work |
| 23:19.05 | alekibango | resiak, FieldySnuts, we are all fucked with patents |
| 23:19.08 | alekibango | dont you see it? |
| 23:19.09 | FieldySnuts | i stopped talking about politics, as it's a highly irritating subject, and offtopic here |
| 23:19.20 | TheGoodDocta | haha topic <> politics |
| 23:19.25 | citral | endless topic |
| 23:19.26 | mogens | valdyn : apt-get -f install ?? |
| 23:19.26 | valdyn_ | mogens: do what it sais ( apt-get -f install ) |
| 23:19.26 | FieldySnuts | maybe in #debian-offtopic (seriously) |
| 23:19.32 | mogens | valdyn : ok |
| 23:19.36 | resiak | alekibango: I know, I'm a Brit, I'm going to write to appropriate people. Now STFU. We all know. |
| 23:19.38 | valdyn_ | mogens: right, its not big problem |
| 23:19.40 | JohnGH | OK... let's talk Debian :o) |
| 23:19.52 | alekibango | no FieldySnuts, it is really THE TOPIC TODAY |
| 23:19.58 | alekibango | kick me if you feel |
| 23:20.01 | paxmaster | could someone show me an exmple using ssh with vnc |
| 23:20.01 | valdyn_ | mogens: but just that is one reason not to use dpkg to remove stuff |
| 23:20.01 | citral | no, it's not |
| 23:20.07 | JohnGH | How can you install the nice console font which is used on the netinst CDs to use as a normal consolefont? |
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| 23:20.11 | resiak | paxmaster: Google it. |
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| 23:20.23 | mogens | valdyn : i paste errors in flood |
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| 23:20.32 | PerfDave | alekibango: No, it's not the topic today on #debian. Go write to your MEP or something. |
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| 23:20.42 | JohnGH | paxmaster: you mean tunneling VNC over ssh? - i.e. to a remote network? |
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| 23:20.52 | alekibango | go sleep, lemmings |
| 23:20.53 | paxmaster | yea |
| 23:21.00 | alekibango | lobotomings |
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| 23:21.11 | paxmaster | forward the port |
| 23:21.22 | mogens | valdyn : result pasted in #flood |
| 23:21.32 | valdyn_ | mogens: your disk is full |
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| 23:21.51 | mogens | valdyn : thats why i removed one kernel |
| 23:22.11 | mogens | valdyn : how do we correct that i got lots of space on other partitions |
| 23:22.15 | JohnGH | paxmaster: I don't remember trying, but it's really simple to do ssh tunnels - it's all in the SSH man page... have a play with it - but test it trying something less complicated than VNC - like forward a local port to port 25 on a mailserver you know and see if you get an SMTP prompt when you connect to the local port. |
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| 23:22.50 | valdyn_ | mogens: run apt-get clean |
| 23:23.02 | PerfDave | alekibango: Do you actually have anything sensible to say other than scaremongering and misinformation? |
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| 23:23.22 | Sjimmie | what player do you suggest for playing xvid? |
| 23:23.24 | mogens | valdyn : says -bash: run: command not found |
| 23:23.27 | amahbod | is dcgui-qt the only direct connect client |
| 23:23.31 | amahbod | Sjimmie, i use mplayer |
| 23:23.33 | citral | PerfDave: don't feed the troll, it was quiet for about a minute :) |
| 23:23.44 | Sjimmie | yeah, was thinking about that amahbod thnkx |
| 23:23.52 | alekibango | PerfDave: what i said is not truth? |
| 23:23.56 | PerfDave | citral: Sorry, I was busy going over the European Liberal bloc draft patent legislation that my MEP sent me. |
| 23:23.58 | JohnGH | SSH tunnelling is REALLY cool :o))) - especially when you can tunnel out from your work whose firewall blocks SSH to the Internet by using corkscrew and going out over the secure news port to your Internet server :o) |
| 23:24.00 | valdyn_ | mogens: you are in deep shit as it looks |
| 23:24.03 | amahbod | anyone? bueler? |
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| 23:24.08 | valdyn_ | mogens: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 23:24.10 | mogens | valdyn : why ? |
| 23:24.11 | PerfDave | alekibango: Much of it. |
| 23:24.14 | alekibango | you people are really brainwashed a lot.... i c why they can win. |
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| 23:24.23 | mogens | valdyn : done |
| 23:24.25 | citral | ... |
| 23:24.26 | amahbod | is dcgui-qt the only direct connect client? |
| 23:24.33 | valdyn_ | mogens: because your disk has been full for a while an god knows what all is missing / fucked up now |
| 23:24.39 | valdyn_ | mogens: rm *.deb |
| 23:24.42 | JohnGH | alekibango: you should go away and read more - you have your facts wrong. |
| 23:24.48 | amahbod | valdyn_, roffle. |
| 23:24.51 | PerfDave | citral: See, rather than just screaming about it on IRC, I've been e-mailing my MEPs for bloody ages and become actively involved in revising policy. |
| 23:24.54 | alekibango | JohnGH: which one? |
| 23:24.56 | JohnGH | valdyn_: better apt-get autoclean |
| 23:24.57 | mogens | valdyn : done |
| 23:25.09 | valdyn_ | JohnGH: just that failed 30 sec ago |
| 23:25.10 | mogens | valdyn : my computer crashed... moved all /usr to /var |
| 23:25.13 | alekibango | people i do have my facts from ctk - that is reliable source |
| 23:25.16 | resiak | alekibango: The point is that we already know. You're preaching to the converted. |
| 23:25.17 | amahbod | i am having trouble with debian + dcgui-qt |
| 23:25.22 | amahbod | it wont insall! |
| 23:25.28 | valdyn_ | mogens: you want to reinstall everything i believe |
| 23:25.29 | resiak | !info dcgui-qt |
| 23:25.31 | mogens | valdyn : got someone from the danish #linux.dk to help me with it |
| 23:25.31 | amahbod | it depends something that i already have installed |
| 23:25.32 | alekibango | resiak: ok, but what we can do ? |
| 23:25.33 | dpkg | dcgui-qt: (graphical client for Direct Connect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 756 kB, Installed size: 2856 kB |
| 23:25.46 | mogens | valdyn : reinstall ?? how come |
| 23:25.47 | alekibango | resiak: i am asking you to unite - or we will fall |
| 23:25.48 | resiak | alekibango: Write to your MEP, sign petitions, support FFII, go on demonstrations. |
| 23:25.48 | PerfDave | alekibango: There's a list of suggested actions on the ffii wensite. |
| 23:25.52 | amahbod | resiak, that didnt really help :( |
| 23:26.03 | resiak | amahbod: What error message does it fail with? |
| 23:26.05 | citral | PerfDave: I never said anything else than screaming on IRC is just pointless |
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| 23:26.06 | paxmaster | right i am reading somethink on google i brb if i need help ok |
| 23:26.12 | JohnGH | alekibango: I bet you go round selling SWP papers on the weekends too |
| 23:26.14 | amahbod | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.16 | valdyn_ | mogens: now try apt-get remove gimp gnome-office |
| 23:26.19 | alekibango | PerfDave: that is first correct thing you said |
| 23:26.28 | PerfDave | alekibango: Screaming about it and coming off as a half-assed idiot isn't going to help anything. |
| 23:26.37 | amahbod | resiak, but above on the same console i have: Setting up libdc0 (0.3.7-1) ... |
| 23:26.37 | PerfDave | alekibango: I say many correct things. Grow the fuck up. |
| 23:26.46 | alekibango | PerfDave: not so many |
| 23:26.50 | resiak | amahbod: So try installing dcgui-qt again. |
| 23:26.53 | PerfDave | alekibango: *plonk* |
| 23:26.54 | JohnGH | I agree with PerfDave |
| 23:27.01 | amahbod | resiak, i did |
| 23:27.08 | amahbod | resiak, and i still get the same error |
| 23:27.14 | mogens | valdyn : pasted in #flood the result |
| 23:27.19 | mogens | valdyn : didnt work |
| 23:27.25 | citral | What about saving Salt Lake City now? |
| 23:27.32 | valdyn_ | mogens: now try apt-get remove gimp gnome-office gnome |
| 23:27.37 | resiak | amahbod: /join #flood, and paste the results of dpkg -l libdc0 and apt-get install dcgui-qt |
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| 23:28.06 | valdyn_ | mogens: gnome and gnome-office are only metapackages, that itself does not actually remove software |
| 23:28.25 | mogens | valdyn : ok |
| 23:28.27 | infodroid | Is there a standard way of getting gpg-agent running in debian? |
| 23:28.46 | phoohb | Hello folks! are there any "mplayer" package? (some new packages depends on it, but I can't see it) |
| 23:28.55 | valdyn_ | mogens: that worked? |
| 23:29.03 | chealer | !tell phoohb about mplayer |
| 23:29.11 | mogens | valdyn : reading database.....zzzzzzzzzzz takes a while |
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| 23:29.27 | WiFiTux | how come 2.6.11 source is still not available in Sid! |
| 23:29.28 | mogens | valdyn : asked Y to continue |
| 23:29.41 | valdyn_ | mogens: ok, think about what else you want to remove, you wont have much fun with this few free diskspace |
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| 23:30.05 | citral | WiFiTux: they are waiting for you to upload it |
| 23:30.07 | valdyn_ | mogens: actually, run "df" to see what space you have free |
| 23:30.08 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Because I've been filing bugs against 2.6.8 ;) |
| 23:30.14 | mogens | valdyn : everything i dont use.... it is a server running web, mail, ftp etc.... |
| 23:30.15 | resiak | amahbod: Firstly, read the error message. Secondly, file a bug :) |
| 23:30.19 | mogens | valdyn : brb 2 sec. |
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| 23:30.32 | resiak | amahbod: I've confirmed what you're seeing on my box. |
| 23:30.32 | amahbod | amahbod, so i there is no way to fix it? |
| 23:30.34 | blue_ | 00 |
| 23:30.35 | blue_ | ^ |
| 23:30.39 | blue_ | poo |
| 23:30.46 | valdyn_ | !tell mogens about remove kde |
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| 23:30.54 | valdyn_ | !tell mogens about remove gnome |
| 23:30.54 | amahbod | resiak, i have a "patch" but i dont know how to apply it |
| 23:30.59 | valdyn_ | !tell mogens about remove x |
| 23:31.17 | amahbod | resiak, well i had a patch, i must have deleted it ;( |
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| 23:31.32 | sgeigerb` | after installing cyrus imapd, I'm getting this message from mutt: "mailbox does not exist" I'm getting a similar message in the log files for open exchange. Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 23:31.32 | WiFiTux | citral, I don't know what patches to add. |
| 23:31.34 | mogens | valdyn : ok I will run those in the same order.... |
| 23:31.42 | sgeigerb` | (This is a new installation.) |
| 23:31.45 | valdyn_ | mogens: those what? |
| 23:31.46 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, are you the one that always does it? |
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| 23:32.16 | mogens | valdyn : those !tell command you just send to me |
| 23:32.17 | mogens | :-) |
| 23:32.17 | G400 | sgeigerb: but does it exist? |
| 23:32.53 | WiFiTux | is there anything that would tell me the temp of the CPU? |
| 23:33.12 | Award | Can anyone explain to me why apache 1.3 is the default apache package, yet there is no compatible htapasswd for 1.3 available? |
| 23:33.16 | citral | WiFiTux: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:33.26 | JohnGH | WifiTux - if you can read it from your BIOS it must be available |
| 23:33.34 | sebux3 | yop i trying to install vmware but What is the location of the directory of C header files? please |
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| 23:33.45 | valdyn_ | mogens: ok. things should be fine now, except you might want to bring your system in a consistent state by doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:33.46 | WiFiTux | citral, the temp! |
| 23:33.54 | JohnGH | WiFiTux - but it depends how old your machine is and whether it has hooks for that. |
| 23:33.57 | citral | the temperature |
| 23:34.00 | valdyn_ | mogens: but wait with that till you have plenty free space |
| 23:34.00 | WiFiTux | john, it has to support it |
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| 23:34.17 | citral | christophe@monk:/usr/share/doc/postfix$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep temp |
| 23:34.17 | citral | temperature : 43-45 C (uncalibrated) |
| 23:34.17 | mogens | ok... i run those 3 command first and then lAST ONES |
| 23:34.19 | WiFiTux | citral, is not there |
| 23:34.44 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: lm-sensors, mbmon |
| 23:34.45 | G400 | WiFITux: lmsensors, i2c |
| 23:34.52 | JohnGH | cat /proc/weather | grep temp |
| 23:34.58 | WiFiTux | yaeh I tried those once. |
| 23:35.10 | sebux3 | :( |
| 23:35.12 | WiFiTux | JohnGH, citral it's not there and It's an IBM T42 |
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| 23:35.20 | CyberShadow | the latest ver of glibc is 2.3.2, right? I have a program that seemingly requires 2.3.4 ("fp: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by fp)") |
| 23:35.26 | JohnGH | WiFiTux: do you have the temp updating in real-time in the bios screen? |
| 23:35.28 | resiak | amahbod: I don't know of a fix. FIle a bug :) |
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| 23:35.47 | WiFiTux | JohnGH, what, how? |
| 23:36.01 | G400 | sgeigerb':if you ask a question, at least be prepared to discuss it |
| 23:36.16 | alekibango | resiak: you meant you have read this? http://news.com.com/EU+Council+endorses+patent+bill/2100-1014_3-5602123.html?tag=nefd.top |
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| 23:36.26 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, no sensors found... :( |
| 23:36.36 | JohnGH | WiFiTux: well I don't know that machine - but some more up-to-date machines I've used with Award BIOSes I've found CPU temp on one of the screens. |
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| 23:36.54 | zimnyx | do you have syntax highlighting in VIM? i've found on google that i need vim-rt package, but i can;t install it. (btw i got "syntax on" rule in vimrc) |
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| 23:37.29 | JohnGH | If the BIOS can see it then you must be able to access it from the Operating system, but if your BIOS doesn't display it then it's unlikely that your particular machine knows how to read it. |
| 23:37.31 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Read the /usr/share/doc |
| 23:37.42 | alekibango | The EU Council has approved a controversial proposal on software patents, despite opposition from numerous software developers and some European countries. |
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| 23:37.53 | JohnGH | alekeibango: Sklapni kokote |
| 23:37.55 | valdyn_ | zimnyx: that package does not exist in debian, guess its included. Syntax highlighting works anyhow |
| 23:37.56 | G400 | WiFiTux: DO NOT TRY I2C & LMSENSORS ON YOUR THINKPAD, IT WILL PROBABLY HOSE YOUR EEPROM . |
| 23:38.01 | abrotman | yeah .. because the BIOS never lies |
| 23:38.09 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, ok, I guess I need to enable some thingies |
| 23:38.11 | alekibango | JohnGH: neprud' |
| 23:38.18 | WiFiTux | G400, fuck, yeah, I remember that.1!! |
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| 23:38.36 | alekibango | JohnGH: who are working for? |
| 23:38.40 | Nahuel | hi, does anybody know of an irc bot, present in debian,that logs the channels conversation? |
| 23:38.53 | alekibango | JohnGH: and stop calling me a dick |
| 23:38.55 | abrotman | Nahuel: there is one |
| 23:38.59 | abrotman | Nahuel: why? |
| 23:39.03 | toomboy | nahuel: try www.egghelp.org |
| 23:39.13 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: on a thinkpad, with acpi, your cpu temperature is in /proc/acpi/ |
| 23:39.15 | JohnGH | alekibango: then stop being a dick |
| 23:39.15 | abrotman | toomboy: he wants the name of the bot |
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| 23:39.19 | travisat | Nahuel: you don't need a bot to log conversations |
| 23:39.21 | Nahuel | abrotman, because I want to use one, |
| 23:39.26 | alekibango | JohnGH: what a gentleman you are |
| 23:39.27 | abrotman | Nahuel: there already is one |
| 23:39.30 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, ahh let me c |
| 23:39.32 | Nahuel | toomboy, eggdrop logs conversations? |
| 23:39.34 | djperegrine | I can't compile the Atmel driver ::(( |
| 23:39.44 | Nahuel | abrotman, sorry, I didn't make my self clear, not for this channel |
| 23:39.48 | djperegrine | can I get it precompiled or something? |
| 23:39.52 | djperegrine | I have a WUSB11 |
| 23:39.54 | Nahuel | abrotman, I mean I want to setup mine |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | Nahuel: oh .. well ... let's see |
| 23:40.06 | abrotman | Piggy: what are you |
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| 23:40.18 | abrotman | and if Piggy says bacon .. i kill! |
| 23:40.30 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: with a debian kernel you might also try "lsmod | grep ibm" or "modprobe ibm-acpi" for additional acpi stuff |
| 23:40.37 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: but cpu should exist w/o that |
| 23:40.41 | abrotman | sussudio: is piggy a bot ? |
| 23:40.46 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, ahh the thermal zone!! |
| 23:40.59 | resiak | alekibango: Actually, I had. Look, running around wailing in random IRC channels doesn't help matters. |
| 23:41.07 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, yeah, but IBM acpi doesn't do much. |
| 23:41.09 | citral | abrotman: did you ever /msg dpkg piggy? |
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| 23:41.19 | djperegrine | nm I found it ;D |
| 23:41.26 | abrotman | citral: piggy |
| 23:41.27 | abrotman | err |
| 23:41.30 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: it creates a folder "ibm" via which you can then use all acpi hotkeys |
| 23:41.32 | alekibango | resiak: i am not on random irc channels :) |
| 23:41.33 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, wow, you have a thinkpad? |
| 23:41.36 | citral | dpkg: piggy |
| 23:41.36 | dpkg | Piggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org |
| 23:41.37 | abrotman | citral: guess what .. doesn't help |
| 23:41.41 | alekibango | resiak: iam on those channels every day |
| 23:41.45 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: yea |
| 23:41.53 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, mine is 61C |
| 23:41.57 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 23:41.58 | citral | Piggy is a logging bitch |
| 23:42.03 | alekibango | well you are helping microsoft, people.... |
| 23:42.10 | abrotman | citral: we know that .. thanks |
| 23:42.11 | citral | yeah yeah |
| 23:42.12 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: quite hot |
| 23:42.15 | abrotman | citral: what kind! |
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| 23:42.25 | gokee2 | Can someone please tell me the command to update everything installed? apt- something I know anyone know the command? |
| 23:42.26 | alekibango | (i mean those few who are attacking me) |
| 23:42.40 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, yeah, have you seen anything to control the fans? |
| 23:42.41 | JohnGH | gokee2: there are several ways |
| 23:42.43 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: but uh, i have _no_ idea, thinkpads come w/ various different cpu speeds |
| 23:42.45 | ptlis | Anybody know how to set Firefox as the default url handler for X-Chat under gnome? I've set it to be so in gconf in /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http & https as well as /desktop/gnome/applications/browser |
| 23:42.46 | PerfDave | Why are some names in the debstats in blue? |
| 23:42.48 | Flimzy | gokee2: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:42.50 | PerfDave | !faq gokee2 |
| 23:42.50 | dpkg | gokee2: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 23:42.55 | travisat | gokee2: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 23:42.55 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, well that's hot anyway |
| 23:42.56 | citral | abrotman: I see |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | gokee2: normally .. apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 23:43.03 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: don't try it, fan is controlled automatically |
| 23:43.14 | gokee2 | Thanks :) |
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| 23:43.15 | abrotman | PerfDave: they have links i think |
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| 23:43.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh .. except ricky_clarkson ,... |
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| 23:43.41 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, yep. I was thinking that. I just wanted to boost it so that I could save less power and cool it down |
| 23:43.44 | alekibango | can anyone explain to me, how can approval of software patents be offtopic here? |
| 23:43.47 | citral | abrotman: I bet for a very simple irssi in screen with logging capabilities |
| 23:43.52 | alekibango | i really do not get it |
| 23:43.53 | PerfDave | abrotman: Some do, some don't. |
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| 23:43.54 | abrotman | alekibango: it's OT |
| 23:43.58 | alekibango | why? |
| 23:44.03 | resiak | alekibango: We're not helping Microsoft. We're helping people to use Debian. Politics and the law are offtopic here. |
| 23:44.06 | Nahuel_ | travisat, how can I log irc conversations then? |
| 23:44.08 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, and my stupid CD-RW is being recognized as 8X! |
| 23:44.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: and they aren't cloaked people either |
| 23:44.20 | travisat | using your irc client |
| 23:44.24 | Thaiger | Hi, Can anyone help me install japanese text fonts or whatever it is I need. I have two japanese locales, but in firefox even with japanese encoding set I get a lot of boxes |
| 23:44.35 | Nahuel_ | travisat, which irc client does that? |
| 23:44.40 | abrotman | Nahuel: did you try freshmeat ? |
| 23:44.40 | travisat | Nahuel_: irssi |
| 23:44.50 | resiak | Nahuel_: Any decent one. |
| 23:44.50 | JohnGH | gokee2: can I mesage you? |
| 23:44.56 | Nahuel_ | ok |
| 23:44.59 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: i see, i havent tried to control the fan. but i do know that you need a newer ibm-acpi than is in mainline kernels ( or debian kernels ), and _also_ activate "experimental" features in that one |
| 23:45.02 | alekibango | even if the law is making direct impact on community? |
| 23:45.27 | gokee2 | johngh sure |
| 23:45.42 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, ahh but it's on it's way... awesome! |
| 23:45.49 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:45.56 | WiFiTux | yep |
| 23:46.19 | CyberShadow | the latest ver of glibc is 2.3.2, right? I have a program that seemingly requires 2.3.4 ("fp: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by fp)") |
| 23:46.36 | G400 | Thaiger: http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html |
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| 23:47.03 | Thaiger | G400, Thanks! |
| 23:47.03 | valdyn_ | !find libc6 |
| 23:47.05 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libc6' (6): libc6 ;; libc6-dbg ;; libc6-dev ;; libc6-i686 ;; libc6-pic ;; libc6-prof. |
| 23:47.13 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, echo on > /proc/acpi/ibm/light hehe |
| 23:47.15 | PerfDave | I can't believe I'm in the top 10 on #debian :/ |
| 23:47.18 | alekibango | resiak: maybe there will be no debian in few years |
| 23:47.20 | valdyn_ | CyberShadow: in debian yes, no idea whats the latest upstream version |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | alekibango: good |
| 23:47.40 | CyberShadow | how to get the latest upstream version? |
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| 23:47.50 | archpollux | hi |
| 23:47.55 | citral | CyberShadow: what debian version are we speaking of? |
| 23:47.57 | alekibango | abrotman: if we let them outlaw us... |
| 23:48.01 | abrotman | good |
| 23:48.03 | abrotman | i hope so |
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| 23:48.25 | CyberShadow | sarge, as of november |
| 23:48.26 | valdyn_ | CyberShadow: if you have to ask that, don't try. Your whole system is based in your libc, you _will_ fuck up things |
| 23:48.28 | alekibango | abrotman: nice :) at least you are saying truth :) |
| 23:48.35 | CyberShadow | ok. |
| 23:48.49 | citral | CyberShadow: so it's 2.3.2, yes |
| 23:48.51 | abrotman | alekibango: no . i'm lying my ass off .. but you dont' know the difference .. so what does it matter |
| 23:48.54 | CyberShadow | any way to fool the app I have that version? create a symlink somewhere? |
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| 23:49.17 | JohnGH | Did you read them? |
| 23:49.17 | Sjimmie | does anyone knows why nvtv give a bigger screen than actually fits on my tv |
| 23:49.20 | abrotman | sarge as of november? |
| 23:49.20 | Sjimmie | so i miss some parts? |
| 23:49.38 | resiak | alekibango: Look, we know about software patents. If you haven't done so already, write to your MEP. Do the stuff ffii say to do. Now shut up here. |
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| 23:49.45 | cartel_ | hey all |
| 23:49.58 | alekibango | resiak: i hope you are right |
| 23:49.59 | cartel_ | `can someone tell me if there is a chan related to heartbeat/linuxha? |
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| 23:50.12 | alekibango | (that most people are knowledgeable here) |
| 23:50.29 | abrotman | cartel_: not this one ? |
| 23:50.43 | CyberShadow | abrotman: unstable Debian GNU/Linux, a November (or October) weekly build |
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| 23:51.07 | abrotman | CyberShadow: is it insatlled? |
| 23:51.14 | resiak | CyberShadow: Well, Sarge is not unstable. How did you install it? |
| 23:51.14 | citral | alekibango: what makes you think that the people here, about 800 people -780 idle one, coming from the whole world, are representing the "people" |
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| 23:51.58 | alekibango | citral: i just think we need to use all means to stop software patents |
| 23:52.01 | CyberShadow | it WAS unstable when I downloaded it? |
| 23:52.01 | p30n | how can i check for example which dev my USB hdd is? |
| 23:52.02 | alekibango | thats all |
| 23:52.10 | cartel_ | alekibango: terrorism? |
| 23:52.14 | alekibango | no :) |
| 23:52.21 | cartel_ | you said all means |
| 23:52.23 | alekibango | peacefull :) |
| 23:52.31 | cartel_ | hehe |
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| 23:52.33 | alekibango | if trolling is terrorism :) |
| 23:52.46 | alekibango | maybe... hehe |
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| 23:53.07 | CyberShadow | ok, what command do I have to execute that will give you version information exact enough? |
| 23:53.17 | citral | alekibango: I just think it is useless to talk about it here... if the people in this room say "Yes I agree!" or "Fuck off troll!", what will it change at all? |
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| 23:53.34 | resiak | CyberShadow: echo /etc/debian_version |
| 23:53.39 | CyberShadow | from the install CD/readme: "Debian GNU/Linux testing "Sarge" - Official Snapshot i386" |
| 23:53.41 | alekibango | citral: on another channel they sait thanks many times for this info |
| 23:53.45 | alekibango | said* |
| 23:53.48 | p30n | question: how can i check for example which dev my USB hdd is? |
| 23:53.51 | resiak | CyberShadow: Are you sure you're not using Testing not Unstable? |
| 23:54.01 | CyberShadow | not echo but cat: "3.1" |
| 23:54.40 | citral | alekibango: so? does that mean they will ACT in this other chans? |
| 23:54.50 | CyberShadow | sorry, thought testing and unstable was the same thing. Testing I guess - it was a weekly build. |
| 23:55.06 | abrotman | CyberShadow: have you been updating your system? |
| 23:55.53 | CyberShadow | just a bit here in there, apps and stuff |
| 23:55.55 | alekibango | citral: anyway, still.. this is really important - we have to stop software patents... |
| 23:56.02 | CyberShadow | how do I update the core? |
| 23:56.03 | abrotman | CyberShadow: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:56.05 | alekibango | even if some jerks will call me dick |
| 23:56.11 | abrotman | CyberShadow: which version does it say there |
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| 23:56.13 | abrotman | dick |
| 23:56.24 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:56.29 | mogens | valdyn : how do i give you an english error code ? |
| 23:56.29 | citral | alekibango: we all know, and (I hope) already did *something* against it. thanks. |
| 23:56.30 | JohnGH | abrotman :o) |
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| 23:56.32 | resiak | alekibango: *plonk* |
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| 23:56.36 | p30n | question: if i have a USB hdd connected, which file says which /dev/ it is? i cant remember.. |
| 23:56.40 | CyberShadow | [Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-3 (20041023)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 23:56.53 | JohnGH | p30n: it's /dev/sd?? something usually |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | CyberShadow: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. what does it say in there? |
| 23:57.01 | alekibango | citral: ok :) thanks for civilized discussion.. i was afraid there are no people here |
| 23:57.12 | JohnGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.22 | p30n | JohnGH: do u know which file it could be in? my sata discs are sda and sdb already |
| 23:57.31 | mogens | how do i tell debian to make english errorcodes ? right now they are danish |
| 23:57.32 | CyberShadow | [Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-X (20041023)]/ unstable contrib main ... 7 of these, and some lines I added |
| 23:57.49 | JohnGH | or it could be in /dev/disc/... |
| 23:58.05 | JohnGH | mogens: does export LANG=en_UK help ? |
| 23:58.07 | abrotman | CyberShadow: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. what does it say in there? |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | CyberShadow: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. what does it say in there? |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | CyberShadow: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. what does it say in there? |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | do you see what i |
| 23:58.18 | abrotman | do you see what i'm fucking asking? |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | how hard is it ? |
| 23:58.23 | CyberShadow | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-7 (20041023)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 23:58.24 | CyberShadow | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-6 (20041023)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 23:58.24 | CyberShadow | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-5 (20041023)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 23:58.24 | CyberShadow | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Sarge_ - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-4 (20041023)]/ unstable contrib main |
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| 23:58.25 | mogens | JohnGH : found a solution |
| 23:58.34 | citral | mogens: for the love of god, we told you 705342 times to use LC_ALL=C <command> |
| 23:58.35 | JohnGH | p30n: just keep adding letters - and you can list them with fdisk -l |
| 23:58.35 | abrotman | that is sooo fucked up |
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| 23:58.49 | abrotman | CyberShadow: i'm very sorry for getting you kicked |
| 23:59.02 | abrotman | CyberShadow: those are commented .. and no help. |
| 23:59.06 | p30n | JohnGH: fdisk -l wont do anything at all |
| 23:59.09 | CyberShadow | its all right |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | CyberShadow: need the ones with out # at the beginning of the line |
| 23:59.14 | CyberShadow | i commented them myself |
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| 23:59.25 | abrotman | CyberShadow: /j #flood |
| 23:59.27 | CyberShadow | because I wanted to use the http source only |
| 23:59.30 | JohnGH | p30n: it shows you the partitions if you know the disk device |
| 23:59.34 | abrotman | CyberShadow: /j #flood |
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