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`00:00.24`	`JohnGH`	`p30n: like: for DEV in a b c d ; do ; fdisk -l /dev/sd$DEV ; done`
`00:00.52`	`p30n`	`ok thx`
`00:00.59`	`JohnGH`	`You're welcome`
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`00:01.01`	`tam`	`would it be possible for me to edit id3 tags from a linux NFS share on a windows machine without fucking the perms and what not?`
`00:01.10`	`p30n`	`hmm how do i mount an ntfs disc?`
`00:01.23`	`JohnGH`	`p30n: read-write or read only?`
`00:01.28`	`PerfDave`	`p30n: Same way you mount any other disk. "man mount"`
`00:01.29`	`p30n`	`i just need to mount it now and copy some and then im gonna wipe it and re partition to ext3`
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`00:01.44`	`p30n`	`i heard it was something special with ntfs`
`00:01.48`	`WiFiTux`	`p30n, mkdir /mnt/ntfs ; mount -t ntfs /mnt/ntfs`
`00:01.50`	`JohnGH`	`p30n: mount /dev/... /mountpoint -t ntfs for read-only`
`00:02.00`	`citral`	`tam: sounds possible`
`00:02.01`	`WiFiTux`	`p30n, I don't recomend it.`
`00:02.05`	`Delph`	`have they sorted ntfs writing?`
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`00:02.31`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: and you want to update your system now?`
`00:02.36`	`tam`	`citral: i'll take a further look into it as i don't want to damage stuff`
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`00:02.36`	`WiFiTux`	`Delph, I don't want to find out and loose 5000 Mp3's :)`
`00:02.44`	`JohnGH`	`p30n: if you ever need to write to NTFS or do undelete there are some really cool tools now - captive-ntfs - I was using them yesterday`
`00:03.04`	`CyberShadow`	`abrotman: I want to get this app that requires glibc 2.3.4 running`
`00:03.14`	`abrotman`	`!info libc6 sid`
`00:03.16`	`Delph`	`JohnGH: but are they safe?`
`00:03.18`	`dpkg`	`libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sid), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB`
`00:03.19`	`CyberShadow`	`abrotman: if updating will help, yes`
`00:03.26`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: what app is this ?`
`00:03.32`	`CyberShadow`	`Free Pascal IDE`
`00:03.36`	`JohnGH`	`Delph: You can't write to XP I think - but you can write to Win2K / NT`
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`00:03.43`	`citral`	`tam: nfs is pretty standard, just read the docs and set both boxes as sync or async... a lot of stuff can be found on google I think it's gonna work without troubles`
`00:03.46`	`JohnGH`	`re-hi jharrison`
`00:03.48`	`p30n`	`mount: wrong filesystem type, wrong flag, wrong superblock on /dev/sdc, or too many filesystems mounted`
`00:03.50`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: show me a url`
`00:03.56`	`p30n`	`whats causing that?`
`00:03.56`	`CyberShadow`	after install, at launch it says this: fp: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by fp)
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`00:04.03`	`Delph`	`JohnGH: ah, cool.`
`00:04.05`	`jharrison`	`drac: works fine`
`00:04.06`	`CyberShadow`	`www.freepascal.org`
`00:04.09`	`jharrison`	`drac: thanks a lot`
`00:04.16`	`WiFiTux`	`p30n, tell the partition, not tghe disk. /dev/sda1`
`00:04.24`	`drac`	`jharrison: you're welcome`
`00:04.26`	`p30n`	`ah`
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`00:04.48`	`WiFiTux`	`What is the Linux way of moving files between pc to pc?`
`00:04.51`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: did you look at fp-compiler ?`
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`00:04.52`	`JohnGH`	`Deplh: off the top of my head, XP uses NTFS version 3 (from memory) - and we haven't reverse-engineered that enough yet from waht I understand. - I may be well out of date on that.`
`00:05.00`	`difeta`	`how can i make is so that users can remove their own print jobs from cups?`
`00:05.04`	`CyberShadow`	`abrotman: the compiler runs fine`
`00:05.13`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: and why are you playing with pascal ?`
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`00:05.31`	`Delph`	`JohnGH: i worry about the comments along the lines of "we've stopped developing because it's finished" and "it wont work because we need to port the interface"`
`00:05.36`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: up to you, for me it's private ftp, behind a strong firewall`
`00:05.40`	`Sjimmie`	`anyone here that is dutch and knows how to setup nvtv for working?`
`00:05.41`	`Sjimmie`	`i get oversized resolutions`
`00:05.45`	`alekibango`	`WiFiTux: or scp, or in konqueror fish://user@machine/`
`00:05.47`	`JohnGH`	`Delph: hehehe`
`00:05.49`	`CyberShadow`	`abrotman: because it's my primary programming language, and Free Pascal is not much less powerful than C++`
`00:05.57`	`abrotman`	`right`
`00:06.11`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: what's the ide called ?`
`00:06.13`	`c4_`	`in my new kernel ppp conects, but doesn't work, i have a little list of modules that can make trouble, can someone help me find out wich one?`
`00:06.15`	`JohnGH`	`OK, night night all... well morning morning here now :o(`
`00:06.18`	`CyberShadow`	`Free Pascas IDE`
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`00:06.24`	`CyberShadow`	`the executable is "fp"`
`00:06.30`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: but it has a name .. i can't find it`
`00:06.30`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, ahh, there is no easier way? I can't get my stupid proftpd to allow me to ftp a certain folder.`
`00:06.30`	`jla`	`My .bashrc file says that I don't need to enable (uncomment) the bash_completion bit if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc but if it is only uncommented in /etc/bash.bashrc bash_completion doesn't work. I've searched but failed to find a description of what files bash on Sarge parses and in what order.`
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`00:06.33`	`abrotman`	`!find bin/fp`
`00:06.34`	`abrotman`	`bah`
`00:06.36`	`abrotman`	`that won't work`
`00:06.39`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'bin/fp' (9 of 14): (/usr/bin/fpm) in gnome/fpm ;; (/bin/fprobe) in net/fprobe ;; (/usr/bin/fpdns) in net/fpdns ;; (/usr/bin/fprints) in devel/fenris ;; (/usr/bin/fpc) in devel/fp-compiler ;; (/usr/bin/fpwmake) in utils/freepwing ;; (/usr/bin/fp2hdf) in graphics/libhdf4g-run ;; (/usr/bin/{fprocmd\|fput}) in net/fsp ;; ...`
`00:06.49`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, it would only allow me to ftp into my home folder.`
`00:07.00`	`JohnGH`	`jla: uncomment the bit in .bash_profile which call .bashrc`
`00:07.02`	`JohnGH`	`calls`
`00:07.11`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: that's not the default behaviour of proftpd`
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`00:07.28`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, I know, but I can only get that working.`
`00:07.31`	`JohnGH`	`jla: it depends whether your shell is a login shell and whether it is interactive or not as to what gets read and how`
`00:07.55`	`jla`	`JohnGH ssh'ing in. That bit in .bash_profile is (was) already uncommented.`
`00:07.57`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: i can't even find the place to download the IDE`
`00:08.00`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: anyway, try vsftpd`
`00:08.11`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, that's easier?`
`00:08.18`	`CyberShadow`	`it's bundled together with the compiler, usually`
`00:08.27`	`JohnGH`	`jla: and if you dot the .bashrc with . ./.bashrc it picks it up fine?`
`00:08.30`	`CyberShadow`	`they make one integer application`
`00:08.33`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: the /etc/vsftpd.conf is much more clear from my point of view`
`00:09.00`	`BhaalWK`	`If a particular driver module is required by the kernel to boot of a raid array the kernel will load it?`
`00:09.07`	`archpollux`	`how can i remove a diversion created by a package that doesn't exist abymore?`
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`00:09.19`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, ahh awesome... I mean, why don't they make a stupid proof ftp daemon. I don't want it's 1000 additional features... OK, I'll try it.`
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`00:09.28`	`JohnGH`	`jla: that might be the answer... I think there may be an sshd config setting which says whether to use /etc/profile or not when you login.`
`00:09.30`	`jla`	`JohnGH other settings from .bash_profile are being loaded, eg alias ls='ls --colour=auto'`
`00:09.40`	`Jarn`	`I can't get my windows partition to unmount, it says it's busy. The only programs I have open are xchat, kopete, and a konsole, in my home directory`
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`00:09.50`	`c4_`	`ipt_tcpmss, ipt_tos, ipt_ttl, iptable_filter, iptable_mangle, iptable_raw, af_key, llc, netlink_dev, xfrm_user, 3c59x, i2c-algo-bit, i2c-algo-pca, i2c-algo-pcf <<--- wich one of those modules can make trouble with ppp?`
`00:09.52`	`travisat`	`I like proftpd`
`00:09.53`	`JohnGH`	`archpollux: like dpkg -P package ?`
`00:09.56`	`Jarn`	`what do I do?`
`00:09.58`	`s3itz`	`Jarn, any areas that are in the windows directory?`
`00:10.10`	`jla`	`JohnGH when is /etc/bash.bashrc suppose to be sourced?`
`00:10.12`	`Jarn`	`no, nothing is in it, as far as I know`
`00:10.21`	`Jarn`	`I have it mounted to /home/jarn/Desktop/Windows`
`00:10.23`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: i'm really not sure then .. i'm not sure .. you sohuld be compiling it .. you could try .. uhm .. there an ENV var you can set .. i can't remember what it is`
`00:10.31`	`citral`	`I liked proftpd too, until I try vsftpd`
`00:10.33`	`JohnGH`	`jla: I don't have one of them - I think that might be there for an example - it's not a dot file`
`00:10.48`	`JohnGH`	`jla: sorry, I miss-read that`
`00:10.52`	`CyberShadow`	`abrotman: do you suggest I should recompile the IDE?`
`00:10.52`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: did you look at anjuta ?`
`00:10.55`	`s3itz`	`Desktop might be probed here and there...`
`00:10.57`	`archpollux`	`JohnGH: doesn't exist`
`00:11.12`	`archpollux`	`JohnGH: also not installed`
`00:11.12`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: or eclipse?`
`00:11.13`	`CyberShadow`	`abrotman: anjuta?`
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`00:11.17`	`s3itz`	`not a good place to set a mount point; close X and try to umount it`
`00:11.26`	`JohnGH`	`jla: that says in it that it has to be sourced from /etc/profile`
`00:11.29`	`CyberShadow`	`isn't eclipse only for Java?`
`00:11.29`	`Jarn`	`yeah, Im trying to unmount it to change its mount point`
`00:11.35`	`CaT[tm]`	`hey. is there a special package I can install that has h2ph'd perl headers?`
`00:11.37`	`Jarn`	`I have 1 idea quick, hang on`
`00:11.39`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: i thought it did pascal .. but it may not .. and no .. eclipse has a bazillion plugins`
`00:12.11`	`s3itz`	`Jarn, you just need to get out of your DE first.. because that directory is going to be accessed reg. to test for changes`
`00:12.13`	`CyberShadow`	`abrotman: hm, ok, thank you for your time. I'll try to recompile the IDE.`
`00:12.26`	`Jarn`	`ah`
`00:12.31`	`Jarn`	`so quit out of x you said?`
`00:12.33`	`Jarn`	`okay`
`00:12.43`	`JohnGH`	`OK, i'm really out of here!`
`00:12.46`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: sounds like a plan`
`00:12.54`	`Jarn`	`bah... I forget how to do that. was it like... ctrl+alt+backspace...?`
`00:12.59`	`s3itz`	`aye`
`00:13.02`	`s3itz`	`lol`
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`00:13.25`	`archpollux`	`(Quit: ""NO CARRIER"" ). Joins ("Carrier has arrived!")`
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`00:14.28`	`jarn`	`okay, i quit out of my desktop`
`00:14.40`	`jarn`	`I forget how to quit out of x entirely, so it is still running, but it's at the login screen`
`00:14.57`	`jarn`	`but it still says device is busy`
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`00:15.19`	`atbash`	`i have difficulties configuring my usb-printer, it's a HP Deskjet 930C, the printconf-tool doesn't detect it...what could be wrong?`
`00:15.35`	`citral`	`atbash: modprobe usblp?`
`00:15.38`	`s3itz`	`weird jarn`
`00:15.43`	`archpollux`	`again, how can i remove a diversion?`
`00:15.50`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, ok, fine... it is better, how do I tell that I want a user to have access to everything? I get CWD /mnt/backup`
`00:15.50`	`WiFiTux`	`500 OOPS: cap_set_proc`
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`00:15.54`	`jla`	`JohnGH It's working now. I tried this last night and it wasn't, and today I see that /etc/bash.bashrc doesn't have it uncommented. I think I was looking at two different computers before (using two ssh windows) and one wasn't setting the right name.`
`00:16.10`	`jarn`	`so you don't know what to do, s3itz?`
`00:16.12`	`riot`	`hi. Is there a Debian Teamspeak-Package available?`
`00:16.19`	`archpollux`	`riot: no`
`00:16.29`	`archpollux`	`riot: it's not open source`
`00:16.38`	`riot`	`aah.. i somehow guessed that.. thx!`
`00:16.40`	`s3itz`	`nope man... besides rebooting :)`
`00:16.47`	`jarn`	`okay, i'll do that`
`00:16.49`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: local_enable=YES, that's about it`
`00:17.01`	`jarn`	`and ill set my auto-mount script to mount it to the new dir i want it to go to, and fstab`
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`00:17.32`	`atbash`	`citral: USB printer support is compiled into the kernel, dmesg says: drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: v0.13: USB Printer Device Class driver`
`00:17.51`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, yes, but I want them to have access to /mnt for example.`
`00:17.55`	`jarn`	`okay, here i go. rebooting. wish me luck. :P`
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`00:18.52`	`eleazar`	`hi, im trying to put transparency in aterm with fluxbox, when i execute aterm +sb -tr blabla from a terminal it runs fine.. but when i type that same command in /home/me/.fluxbox/menu doesnt work :s any suggestions?`
`00:18.55`	`citral`	`atbash: I don't think compiling an usb driver as built in is a good idea, but anyway, linuxprinting.org will know better`
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`00:19.16`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: check the perms`
`00:19.26`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, root`
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`00:19.45`	`paster`	`"jla" at 65.113.8.2 pasted "From my .bashrc and /etc/bash.bashrc" (19 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/324`
`00:20.13`	`jla`	`JohnGH I take that back, it isn't working. I there was a same-named file in the directory. http://channels.debian.net/paste/324`
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`00:20.33`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: you obviously don't ftp as root, so chgrp, let's say adm, your /mnt directory`
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`00:21.17`	`atbash`	`citral: when re-inserting my usb printer, dmesg says: ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: wakeup \| usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2 \|drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1204`
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`00:21.38`	`eleazar`	`anyone?`
`00:21.41`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, well I was testing with root that was it, but OK, let me see if I can...`
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`00:22.40`	`Jarn`	`thanks, s3`
`00:22.48`	`digijohn`	`I'm having trouble with my unstable install. I am running 2.6.7-1-k7.`
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`00:22.56`	`Agrajag-`	`anyone know of a tool that can monitor a process and see what files it tries to open and such?`
`00:22.56`	`digijohn`	`My computer had locked, so I rebooted.`
`00:23.00`	`Jarn`	`I changed my fstab and my mount script to where I wanted it to mount to, and it works now after reboot`
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`00:23.27`	`digijohn`	`Now whenever I try to, say, play a song in xmms, there is a long lag and the "wa:" field in top jumps up to 99%`
`00:23.34`	`citral`	`atbash: that looks pretty good, again look at linuxprinting.org`
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`00:23.51`	`digijohn`	`As I understand from previous problems, this means the machine is waiting for the disk, right?`
`00:24.24`	`daww`	`What antivirus do you guys recommend?`
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`00:24.37`	`citral`	`clamav`
`00:24.37`	`digijohn`	`daww: Linux doesn't really need antivirus.`
`00:24.39`	`resiak`	`daww: For Linux viruses? o.O`
`00:24.49`	`paster`	`"jla" at 65.113.8.2 pasted "Should this be at the top of a .bashrc file?" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/325`
`00:25.23`	`digijohn`	`Ahem...`
`00:25.41`	`digijohn`	`Anybody here have a proposed fix for my problem described above?`
`00:25.43`	`daww`	`digijohn, not even a debian server?`
`00:25.43`	`jla`	`JohnGH It seems like the skeleton .bashrc file should have lines to source /etc/bash.bashrc. http://channels.debian.net/paste/325`
`00:25.58`	`WiFiTux`	`dawg, norton is good, and easy to install, I think is in apt-get..`
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`00:26.11`	`grivell`	`WiFiTux: Stop.`
`00:26.22`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: you should stop smoking crack`
`00:26.28`	`WiFiTux`	`grivell, ?`
`00:26.41`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, It was a joke, the kid is all stressed.`
`00:26.46`	`digijohn`	`daww: There aren't that many linux viruses. Don't open email attachments and run chkrootkit.`
`00:26.46`	`mwilson`	`jla: Why in the world would you want that?`
`00:26.47`	`citral`	`I know :)`
`00:26.51`	`grivell`	`WiFiTux: You will make me bust a stitch from laughing too much ;)`
`00:27.09`	`jla`	`mwilson want what, the bash_completion code, or to source /etc/bash.bashrc?`
`00:27.09`	`citral`	`heh`
`00:27.27`	`WiFiTux`	`daww, there are antiviruses, but they are used in distros that want to take money out of you like Lindows.`
`00:27.30`	`WiFiTux`	`grivell, huh?`
`00:27.34`	`mwilson`	`jla: Why would you think you need to explicitly source /etc/bash.bashrc ?`
`00:27.48`	`citral`	`jla: would you like to see a "real" .bashrc file in the #flood channel?`
`00:28.00`	`jla`	`mwilson I don't want to if I don't have it. The thing is it doesn't seem to be sourcing /etc/bash.bashrc`
`00:28.05`	`jla`	`citral sure`
`00:28.14`	`citral`	`jla: so join #flood`
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`00:28.44`	`mwilson`	`jla: Yes, read the INVOCATION section of the bash man page.`
`00:29.01`	`daww`	`WiFiTux, ok, I'd thought Kaspersky was the winner on UNIX systems`
`00:29.32`	`mwilson`	`jla: In general, it's a bad idea to do things in system-wide initialization files.`
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`00:29.45`	`daww`	`So you mean that non of you is using an antivirus?`
`00:29.47`	`WiFiTux`	`daww, only reason I would look at an antivirus is if there was one that could control the pop3 imap server for viruses in the emails of the users.`
`00:29.50`	`mwilson`	`jla: User A may want it, while user B may not.`
`00:29.55`	`WiFiTux`	`daww, no.`
`00:30.09`	`mwilson`	`daww: Do I need one for something?`
`00:30.15`	`jla`	`mwilson true, but in this case users a-z want it :)`
`00:30.40`	`WiFiTux`	`daww, welcome to Linux. Yesterday 50 friends had a virus in the messenger. M$ sucks.`
`00:30.46`	`mwilson`	`jla: "in this case" is meaningless. Don't get into the habit.`
`00:31.07`	`daww`	`mwilson, Protect my personal data maybe`
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`00:31.20`	`mwilson`	`daww: Protect it from what?`
`00:31.34`	`grivell`	`daww: What viruses are spreading on Linux?`
`00:31.36`	`mwilson`	`jla: bash_completion isn't something you can easily undo.`
`00:31.37`	`lqgusso`	`where can i download programms for linux?`
`00:31.42`	`jla`	`mwilson I appreciate your advice but in this case on this server with me myself and i and a few friends using it I very much want to use /etc/bash.completion instead of copying it to everyones .bashrc`
`00:31.45`	`s3itz`	`grivell, gentoo`
`00:31.47`	`citral`	`daww: why the hell would I need an antivirus for? The only case that comes in mind, is a linux mail server, serving windows boxes`
`00:31.50`	`s3itz`	`it mainly attacks your time tho`
`00:31.53`	`thingfish`	`lqgusso: from the Internet.`
`00:31.55`	`grivell`	`s3itz: Whats a gentoo`
`00:31.58`	`jla`	`mwilson sure it is. I comment it out and log in again`
`00:32.02`	`daww`	`Ok, just checking, used to windows shits where Antivirus is a-o`
`00:32.03`	`WiFiTux`	`lqgusso, apt-cache search package`
`00:32.21`	`citral`	`daww: welcome to linux :)`
`00:32.34`	`abrotman`	`lqgusso: are you even using debian?`
`00:32.38`	`s3itz`	`It's a virus cleverly disguised as a linux distribution that quickly eats all your allocated time`
`00:32.51`	`lqgusso`	`yes i do abrotman`
`00:32.56`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, you just repeated everything I said. :)`
`00:33.00`	`lqgusso`	`i like this distro`
`00:33.01`	`abrotman`	`i doubt it`
`00:33.05`	`abrotman`	`which distro ?`
`00:33.08`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, joke :)`
`00:33.10`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: oh :))`
`00:33.12`	`lqgusso`	`kalango`
`00:33.17`	`citral`	`WiFiTux: you're right`
`00:33.23`	`abrotman`	`lqgusso: THAT'S NOT DEBIAN!`
`00:33.25`	`lqgusso`	`is a brazilian debian`
`00:33.27`	`abrotman`	`!kalango`
`00:33.31`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, come on, i'm joking ;)`
`00:33.31`	`abrotman`	`it's not fucking debian .. go awy`
`00:33.35`	`abrotman`	`it's not even based on debian`
`00:33.44`	`abrotman`	`it's based on knoppix iirc`
`00:33.52`	`thingfish`	`tsk tsk`
`00:33.53`	`grivell`	`abrotman: Which is based on Debian`
`00:33.53`	`digijohn`	`Which is based on debian.`
`00:33.55`	`lqgusso`	`how do you know abrotman?`
`00:33.56`	`WiFiTux`	`!knoppixsmite lqgusso`
`00:34.03`	`citral`	`!based on debian`
`00:34.03`	`dpkg`	`Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are not Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck.`
`00:34.08`	`abrotman`	`digijohn: it's not fucking debian .. don't start`
`00:34.44`	`lqgusso`	`abrotman is based on debian`
`00:34.52`	`grivell`	`Someone forgot their pills today :-P`
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`00:34.59`	`WiFiTux`	`digijohn, macdonals and BK make the same thing, they are based on hamburgers, yet they are fucking different!`
`00:35.04`	`citral`	`!sedate grivell`
`00:35.16`	`idnar`	`!not supporting Kalango`
`00:35.17`	`dpkg`	`We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support Kalango too. Try #Kalango or donating money to charity.`
`00:35.39`	`lqgusso`	`what's your problem abrotman?:`
`00:35.42`	`grivell`	`!fuck citral`
`00:35.49`	`digijohn`	`guh`
`00:35.55`	`citral`	`awww`
`00:35.58`	`grivell`	`lol`
`00:36.05`	`abrotman`	`lqgusso: it's not debian`
`00:36.06`	`WiFiTux`	`:\|`
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`00:36.15`	`abrotman`	`digijohn: i don't care .. i seriously doubt i need your help`
`00:36.23`	`abrotman`	`ever`
`00:36.39`	`lqgusso`	`i tried dpkg, but have not a channel by kalango`
`00:36.43`	`thingfish`	`lqgusso: a lot of people come here who aren't running debian but some frankenstein based on it, and expect help here. it gets real old.`
`00:36.50`	`abrotman`	`lqgusso: that doesn't amke this the right place to ask!`
`00:36.54`	`atbash`	`citral: according to linuxprinting.org i have to execute "mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb" but then i get: mount: unknown filesystem type 'usbdevfs'; should it be usbfs instead of usbdevfs?`
`00:36.57`	`WiFiTux`	`TheBlueWizard, I'm easting hamburger now. Why come up with nasty stuff?`
`00:37.00`	`WiFiTux`	`:/`
`00:37.04`	`citral`	`lqgusso: do they ever have a website?`
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`00:37.08`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: i'm sure yours is fine`
`00:37.15`	`Flimzy`	`dpkg wars... fun`
`00:37.23`	`abrotman`	`lqgusso: and you're not even in the -br channel .. gah`
`00:37.24`	`WiFiTux`	`Flimzy, not every day`
`00:37.28`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, thanks :)`
`00:37.32`	`TheBlueWizard`	`WiFiTux: sorry...I was just joking...didn't know you're eating a burger`
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`00:37.46`	`lqgusso`	`but i'm just asking normal things for linuxers`
`00:37.51`	`WiFiTux`	`TheBlueWizard, nah :)`
`00:37.52`	`abrotman`	`no . that goes to #linux`
`00:37.55`	`abrotman`	`not #debian`
`00:38.01`	`thingfish`	`lqgusso: plus, with debian-installer, there's no excuse not to have full debian. Give it a try.`
`00:38.21`	`thingfish`	`then there's no problem.`
`00:38.22`	`abrotman`	`!d-i lqgusso`
`00:38.23`	`dpkg`	`lqgusso, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.`
`00:38.24`	`abrotman`	`then come back`
`00:38.34`	`WiFiTux`	`lqgusso, there are several lines every 10 seconds in this chanel, route your question in the right place.`
`00:38.37`	`citral`	`atbash: sorry, I can't help you on that, I use a serial printer`
`00:38.38`	`thingfish`	`and you won't be sorry.`
`00:38.57`	`lqgusso`	`i'm preparing my computer for put a pure debian`
`00:39.06`	`atbash`	`citral: ok, np, thx anyway`
`00:39.30`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, what printer is it? I setup my first printer yesterday... woody, sarge or sid?`
`00:39.49`	`WiFiTux`	`lqgusso, format c:/ Yes`
`00:40.01`	`lqgusso`	`ok`
`00:40.04`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: wrong slash .. and slash not needed`
`00:40.06`	`atbash`	`wifitux: HP Deskjet 930C on a amd64 sid`
`00:40.20`	`fbhjr`	`why isn't postfix the default debian MTA?`
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`00:40.28`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: because it's not`
`00:40.28`	`lqgusso`	`WiFiTux i have dual boot here`
`00:40.30`	`thingfish`	`curses on all these people with amd64`
`00:40.30`	`CyberShadow`	`echo Y\|format C: /U`
`00:40.32`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, what does it say is it working perfect or not? I setup a 5550 yesterday`
`00:40.38`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, ahh`
`00:40.52`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: you're complaining to the wrong people`
`00:41.00`	`WiFiTux`	`lqgusso, whatever just install debian or go somewhere else`
`00:41.01`	`fbhjr`	`not complaining just asking`
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`00:41.07`	`CyberShadow`	`talking of curses... haw to update my ncurses?`
`00:41.12`	`lqgusso`	`ol`
`00:41.19`	`fbhjr`	`pure and simple question, donlt make assumptions about my motives abrotman`
`00:41.32`	`lqgusso`	`so i'm not welcome here?`
`00:41.45`	`atbash`	`wifitux: printconf doesn't detect my printer :-s`
`00:41.48`	`WiFiTux`	`lqgusso, knoppix is not`
`00:41.50`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: i just said .. you're complaining to the wrong people ..`
`00:41.58`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: if you don't like it .. lobby for change`
`00:42.00`	`lqgusso`	`ok`
`00:42.09`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: and if you don't care .. don't bitch`
`00:42.11`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, what does the site say? works perfectly, doesn't? or what?`
`00:42.12`	`fbhjr`	`yeah, and I just said, donlt make assumptions about my motives, because I am not complaining`
`00:42.13`	`atbash`	`wifitux: do you have /proc/bus/usb/drivers ?`
`00:42.18`	`fbhjr`	`I'm just asking`
`00:42.24`	`atbash`	`wifitux: works perfectly`
`00:42.25`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: and you're still asking the wrong people`
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`00:42.49`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: you could try emailing debian-devel@lists.debian.org if you really want to know`
`00:42.58`	`fbhjr`	`thanks for defining "smart ass" for me today abrotman`
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`00:43.07`	`fbhjr`	`will do`
`00:43.12`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: thanks for defining asshole for me`
`00:43.16`	`thingfish`	`lqgusso: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/`
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`00:43.20`	`abrotman`	`yay`
`00:43.24`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
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`00:43.29`	`Flimzy`	`fbhjr: who cares what the DEFAULT is?`
`00:43.30`	`abrotman`	`my dictionary is almost complete today .. i just need a fucktard`
`00:43.31`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, I did apt-get install hpoj gs-esp try that`
`00:43.31`	`Flimzy`	`fbhjr: You can install whatever youw ant, be happy.`
`00:43.40`	`citral`	`atbash: a quick look at google would point you to the hpijs and foomatic packages`
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`00:43.52`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: the guru we had here yesterday would qualify for that`
`00:43.54`	`grivell`	`The real problem is the reason those other distributions exist. Debians community should release more often (not that I truely care about anything that isn't unstable), and should have a livecd. That alone would kill the "based off" distributions.`
`00:43.57`	`atbash`	`citral: idd, i know, already have them`
`00:43.59`	`thingfish`	`man, if we were all drinking in a bar together, there'd be fights hehe.`
`00:44.00`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, do that/.`
`00:44.21`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, apt-get install hpoj gs-esp`
`00:44.24`	`abrotman`	`shingouz: windowsGURU ?`
`00:44.34`	`shingouz`	`abrotman: the very one`
`00:44.40`	`atbash`	`wifitux: busy, moment pls, i tell you result`
`00:44.41`	`Shaun`	`Anybody ever seen kacpid run amok eating 99% cpu with 2.6.x, the only way to taim it for 30 seconds or so is to run sensors from lm_sensors. I tryed booting with apci=off in grub but it causes the system to run at 50% of what it normal can run at.`
`00:44.42`	`citral`	`bill?`
`00:44.46`	`abrotman`	`i thought maybe he was still here`
`00:44.51`	`pipeline`	`shingouz, abrotman: would you say he was more of a fuck, or more of a tard?`
`00:44.54`	`grivell`	`thingfish: I drink at bars frequently. But Linux never came up.`
`00:44.56`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, ok, are you korean?`
`00:44.58`	`abrotman`	`pipeline: which one?`
`00:45.03`	`shingouz`	`pipeline: 50/50 i'd say`
`00:45.07`	`abrotman`	`pipeline: windowsGuru was a troll`
`00:45.09`	`abrotman`	`or 5`
`00:45.09`	`mwilson`	`Why "should" Debian have a LiveCD, and if you think it should, why haven't you created one?`
`00:45.18`	`fbhjr`	`Flimzy: yah I know this`
`00:45.20`	`pipeline`	`shingouz, abrotman: I was thinking more fuck, less tard. At least a 70/30 mix.`
`00:45.21`	`mwilson`	`A LiveCD is a singularly useless thing.`
`00:45.22`	`abrotman`	`mwilson: is this a three part essay ?`
`00:45.23`	`atbash`	`wifitux: no i'm not, i'm from belgium`
`00:45.26`	`shingouz`	`:)`
`00:45.27`	`WiFiTux`	`hey, someone has the command to make the cpu go slowed?`
`00:45.30`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, tre bien`
`00:45.32`	`WiFiTux`	`s`
`00:45.58`	`Flimzy`	`fbhjr: Well the reason that exim is the default MTA probably has to do with the fact that it's simple, has a small footprint, is very easy to set up, and works for 99% of Debian users who don't really need a great MTA.`
`00:45.59`	`citral`	`maybe he speaks flamand...`
`00:46.05`	`thingfish`	`grivell: you're obviously concentrating too much on the women when you go out.`
`00:46.09`	`atbash`	`wifitux: ok, nice, but i'm from the flemish part of belgium, so i speak mainly dutch`
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`00:46.10`	`WiFiTux`	`citral, ?`
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`00:46.16`	`WiFiTux`	`ohh`
`00:46.25`	`WiFiTux`	`I didn't know that... hah`
`00:46.34`	`atbash`	`wifitux: i do understand french however :-)`
`00:46.41`	`thingfish`	`man, why can't I be european...`
`00:46.41`	`grivell`	`mwilson: I guess because it is easy to administrate with a livecd, and that you can show off Linux with it.`
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`00:46.50`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, OK, apt-get that... that should do it really.`
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`00:47.08`	`mwilson`	`fbhjr: Your motives are immediately suspect. You don't ask "Why is exim the default?", but rather "Why isn't Postfix?".`
`00:47.10`	`paxmaster`	`hey is this is the right command to to use with ssh with vnc`
`00:47.11`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, or or, what have you downloaded? hpij?`
`00:47.16`	`paxmaster`	`ssh -v -L 5905:hostA:5905 hostA`
`00:47.31`	`mwilson`	`grivell: Huh? How is it easy to "administrate" (sic) with a LiveCD?`
`00:47.45`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, either apt-get install hpij gs-esp or apt-get install hpoj which the first one worked for me.`
`00:48.09`	`jla`	`mwillson Thanks for pointing me at man bash INVOCATION. I've read that a dozen times, but never got my head around "interactive login" "non-interactive login" and just "interactive" until now. Since you pointed it out as an important section I've read up and think I understand the process a little better.`
`00:48.19`	`fbhjr`	`Flimzy: thanks for the well-turned, rational answer; I always thought postfix the same`
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`00:48.28`	`atbash`	`wifitux: it's a deskjet, not an officejet, but it seems to recognize the printer, however it doesn't show up in gnomes-printerdialog`
`00:48.29`	`popup_killer2005`	`hi`
`00:48.33`	`atbash`	`just give me a moment`
`00:48.33`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, you got $$$?`
`00:48.40`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, same thing`
`00:48.43`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: you wanna be my sex slave?`
`00:48.44`	`fbhjr`	`but I am curious about how the policy works with what is included`
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`00:48.54`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, yesw`
`00:48.55`	`popup_killer2005`	`wath is distributuion is good`
`00:48.55`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: it could be by popcon`
`00:49.00`	`abrotman`	`!popcon`
`00:49.00`	`dpkg`	`Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate.`
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`00:49.16`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, apt-get install hpij gs-esp hotplug JESUS!`
`00:49.23`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: but really .. email the -devel list .. they may have a historical reason`
`00:49.24`	`grivell`	`mwilson: Because it has all the tools you need and. Oh god, never mind, I can't win this.`
`00:49.31`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, to buy a lappy :)`
`00:49.32`	`abrotman`	`just be glad the default MTA isn't sendmail :)`
`00:49.37`	`Opiated`	`since the papaya mud client package was removed from the sarge list, is it advisable to use the unstable one or how should I go about it?`
`00:49.38`	`popup_killer2005`	`hi help`
`00:49.39`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: oh .. i have one .. i like it`
`00:49.47`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, OK.`
`00:49.54`	`mwilson`	`grivell: All the tools I need for what? What does it have that the normal box I'd be administering does not have?`
`00:49.57`	`abrotman`	`hi help ?`
`00:49.58`	`fbhjr`	`abrotman: yah`
`00:49.59`	`shingouz`	`!tell popup_killer2005 about ask`
`00:50.02`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, I was going to give you a $400 rebate but ok.`
`00:50.08`	`mwilson`	`grivell: You're really not explaining yourself well at all.`
`00:50.19`	`abrotman`	`fbhjr: of course .. popcon will probably be skewed since exim is the default ..`
`00:50.26`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: you work for ibm or intel ?`
`00:50.30`	`atbash`	`wifitux: calm down ok :-p, you're first apt-get command did the job :-) printing a fancy testpage now`
`00:50.36`	`Flimzy`	`fbhjr: postfix is more of a full-blown, fully-featured MTA than exim. And it isn't as easy (for a newbie) to configure.`
`00:50.37`	`fbhjr`	`heh`
`00:50.42`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, :)`
`00:50.43`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: because unless it's an IBM laptop .. not interested :)`
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`00:50.46`	`mwilson`	`abrotman: You actually have popcon installed? Personally, my package choices are none of Debian's business.`
`00:50.47`	`grivell`	`mwilson: And you never admit when wrong. Ever. So I don't want to talk about it. But it comes in handy for me. Not for you, I know.`
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`00:51.02`	`abrotman`	`mwilson: i don't know . i might`
`00:51.05`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, everywhere!!! :) IBM yes. $400`
`00:51.12`	`fbhjr`	`I actually spent the time getting exim working on my IBM TP 560 with debian unstable and exim`
`00:51.12`	`Flimzy`	`fbhjr: But before you get mad at me for championing exim, let me say that I hate exim, and always replace it with something else... either postfix/sendmail/courier (depending on exact needs) or smail (if on a router or other box w/o need of a real MTA)`
`00:51.13`	`abrotman`	`mwilson: i do not have it installed`
`00:51.17`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, but the answer is Cisco :)`
`00:51.19`	`Opiated`	`since the papaya mud client package was removed from the sarge list, is it advisable to use the unstable one or how should I go about it?`
`00:51.19`	`daww`	`Could it in some way be better to install a driver rather then compile it as a module with the kernel?`
`00:51.19`	`mwilson`	`grivell: Uh, actually I always admit when I'm wrong.`
`00:51.25`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: oh that's right .. you changed`
`00:51.33`	`GrayThunder`	`is there an easy way to "rebuild" /var without a backup?`
`00:51.41`	`abrotman`	`pray ?`
`00:51.45`	`mwilson`	`grivell: I don't hold cluebies to any standard I don't hold myself to.`
`00:51.46`	`GrayThunder`	`:)`
`00:51.50`	`fbhjr`	`Flimzy: i wasn't trying to start any flame war, believe me`
`00:51.56`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, yes. anyway, my cousing works there and they have a program for friends, so you can buy one.`
`00:51.56`	`grivell`	`mwilson: :)`
`00:51.57`	`mwilson`	`GrayThunder: What part of /var ?`
`00:52.10`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, I mean, friends, like people...`
`00:52.21`	`Flimzy`	`grivell: I've seen mwilson admit he was wrong before.`
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`00:52.27`	`GrayThunder`	`mwilson: all of it. the whole partition is hosed.`
`00:52.32`	`grivell`	`Flimzy: I want that log!`
`00:52.46`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: i have a friend at IBM too .. the EPP program`
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`00:52.59`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: i think i saved like 200$ when i got mine`
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`00:53.07`	`popup_killer2005`	`please channel of spanish`
`00:53.07`	`mwilson`	`Flimzy: I always liked exim3... readable English configuration files. Postfix's configuration looks like English, but you have to have a Postfix-to-English dictionary to actually make sense of it.`
`00:53.08`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, you are welcome, it's ahemm $125 or 2 beers`
`00:53.17`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`00:53.18`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`00:53.21`	`GrayThunder`	`mwilson: /var was on a second HD and the drive wont spin up`
`00:53.22`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, yeah, I saved $350`
`00:53.29`	`Flimzy`	`GrayThunder: reinstall linux`
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`00:53.37`	`abrotman`	`WiFiTux: it depends on the laptops .. some get more off than others`
`00:53.44`	`atbash`	`wifitux: you are a genius, je vous remercie mille fois!!!`
`00:53.49`	`WiFiTux`	`popup_killer2005, vete para #debian-es`
`00:53.51`	`daww`	`Is it better to install drivers rather then use modules with the kernel?`
`00:53.54`	`mwilson`	`GrayThunder: Old drive? Tried the stiction trick? The refrigerator trick? Or is the motor actually dead?`
`00:54.01`	`popup_killer2005`	`thanl you wifitux`
`00:54.11`	`GrayThunder`	`Flimzy: that is what i was afraid of`
`00:54.24`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, fois? that was the only word I understand because of the encore une fois song`
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`00:54.44`	`GrayThunder`	`mwilson: stiction?`
`00:54.56`	`atbash`	`wifitux: i thank you a thousand times...`
`00:55.16`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, yep. You are welcome...`
`00:55.31`	`WiFiTux`	`Now, I have to sell my $40 new printer and buy an HP`
`00:55.43`	`Xenguy`	`Are there any consultant types in the channel who use software to track time, activities, maybe invoicing? Any recommendations?`
`00:55.45`	`mwilson`	`GrayThunder: Sure. Never had to deal with an old Quantum drive? Happens when the spindle binds. Apply power, hold the drive, then twitch your wrist in the direction of rotation while keeping the drive level.`
`00:56.20`	`mwilson`	`Those old BigFoot drives used to do it all the time.`
`00:56.21`	`GrayThunder`	`mwilson: i wasnt familiar with the term. yes, i have tried that`
`00:56.29`	`WiFiTux`	`mwilson, that's an old school tech tip?`
`00:56.37`	`mwilson`	`WiFiTux: Sure.`
`00:56.38`	`atbash`	`well, can you answer this question too: when starting oowriter in my ia32 chroot environment: i get following message: I18N: Operating system doesn't support locale ""; what's wrong here? it's no big deal: OO is working perfectly, i just wondered`
`00:56.40`	`WiFiTux`	`ha`
`00:56.54`	`mwilson`	`WiFiTux: It's safe enough... the platters aren't turning and the head isn't unlocked.`
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`00:57.32`	`WiFiTux`	`mwilson, so the problem is that the head got moved or sometnhing`
`00:57.41`	`atbash`	`wifiux: are you from spain?`
`00:57.48`	`WiFiTux`	`atbash, Costa Rica. :)`
`00:57.59`	`WiFiTux`	`Linux, internatinal as hell`
`00:58.03`	`mwilson`	`WiFiTux: No, the problem is that the motor can't develop sufficient torque to overcome the stiction.`
`00:58.06`	`WiFiTux`	`o`
`00:58.23`	`WiFiTux`	`mwilson, ahh crap.`
`00:58.46`	`atbash`	`wifitux: oh nice :-)`
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`00:59.08`	`mwilson`	`GrayThunder: Drive go down and not come back, or computer be off and drive not start up?`
`00:59.11`	`WiFiTux`	`war-, you voted for Bush?`
`00:59.26`	`abrotman`	`no politics please`
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`00:59.30`	`daww`	`WiFiTux, Is it better to install drivers rather then use modules with the kernel (GeForce 4 Graphic card as an ex)?`
`00:59.34`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, yeah yeah.`
`00:59.36`	`GrayThunder`	`mwilson: drive went down and not come back up`
`00:59.51`	`CyberShadow`	`"dpkg -l" lists all available packages or just installed ones?`
`01:00.05`	`abrotman`	`CyberShadow: installed .. and removed/not purged`
`01:00.07`	`mwilson`	`CyberShadow: Neither.`
`01:00.17`	`WiFiTux`	`dawg, depends, if you want real 3d like games, use the drivers, but don't bug yourself in the start.`
`01:00.29`	`CyberShadow`	`ok, how to get the list of ALL packages?`
`01:00.29`	`WiFiTux`	`!tell daww about install nvidia`
`01:00.39`	`WiFiTux`	`!tell daww about install-nvidia`
`01:00.53`	`WiFiTux`	`ahhhhh`
`01:00.57`	`atbash`	`I also get perl warnings when updating: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. \| perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")....`
`01:00.58`	`WiFiTux`	`!tell daww about nvidia install`
`01:01.13`	`abrotman`	`!tell daww about nvidia one liner`
`01:01.32`	`mwilson`	`atbash: Well, did you build support for whatever locale you're trying to use? What locale ARE you trying to use?`
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`01:02.02`	`blue_`	`hi`
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`01:02.37`	`atbash`	`mwilson: LANGUAGE = "en_BE:en_US:en_GB:en", \| LC_ALL = (unset), \| LANG = "en_US" are supported and installed on your system.`
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`01:02.53`	`WiFiTux`	`CyberShadow, installed? apt-get -L or dpkg -L or something`
`01:03.09`	`blue_`	`i've asked this before but can't seem to get it fixed, I have rr cable but sometimes connecting to anything on the internet it will sit there and timeout. thunderbird, firefox even xchat`
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`01:03.17`	`blue_`	`does anyone know something I could try`
`01:03.20`	`daww`	`WiFiTux, [nvidia-install] not suitable for custom kernels, I use one`
`01:03.29`	`mwilson`	`Sure. Get a better ISP.`
`01:03.33`	`WiFiTux`	`daww, me too, that is bs`
`01:04.21`	`chealer`	`!tell daww about nvidia-howto`
`01:04.21`	`CyberShadow`	`WiFiTux: none work :(`
`01:04.21`	`CyberShadow`	`WiFiTux: oh well, I used synaptic`
`01:04.21`	`blue_`	`roadrunner is the only thing here, use to be real good service`
`01:04.21`	`daww`	`WiFiTux, ok, thank you but my question was: Is it better to install drivers rather then use modules with the kernel (GeForce 4 Graphic card as an ex)?`
`01:04.25`	`daww`	`WiFiTux, I need to know`
`01:04.55`	`pipeline`	`daww: If you want 3d support on an nvidia card, you have to use the drivers. However, you should not install them from nvidia's site`
`01:05.14`	`daww`	`pipeline, Thank you!`
`01:05.24`	`reaper_`	`anyone know what the monitor thing is called in the bottom right hand of this X screenshot? http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?themes/contrib/eddiex_rumpa.jpg`
`01:05.35`	`atbash`	`daww: follow step by step: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/`
`01:06.46`	`daww`	`atbash, thanks`
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`01:07.07`	`boukensya`	`hey guys.. I was wondering if there is a way to get the installer for nero to work via wine?`
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`01:07.39`	`Ronin`	`boukensya: why would you want to? there tons of burnign software in debian`
`01:07.51`	`Flimzy`	`Why the hell would you want to use nero in Wine?`
`01:07.58`	`WiFiTux`	`daww, the answer was. That if you want 3d, use the drivers, else use the kernel support`
`01:07.58`	`boukensya`	`well for the dvd converting stuff it has`
`01:08.11`	`Flimzy`	`boukensya: use DVD::Rip`
`01:08.14`	`boukensya`	`I have heaps of avi's that I want to make into a dvd.. without too much hastle`
`01:08.26`	`boukensya`	`I use DVD::Rip`
`01:08.31`	`Flimzy`	`boukensya: use transcode + dvdauthor`
`01:08.46`	`blue_`	`anybody?`
`01:08.47`	`Flimzy`	`that's what I do`
`01:08.48`	`boukensya`	`is there a good gui that I don't have to mess around soooo much with it?`
`01:09.15`	`blue_`	`once im connected to something it will stay, like xchat`
`01:09.16`	`shingouz`	`boukensya: acidrip`
`01:09.26`	`blue_`	`but i can't even get to google.com now`
`01:09.30`	`boukensya`	`acidrip just rips?`
`01:09.31`	`Flimzy`	`boukensya: not yet. But the commandline isn't that difficult to grasp.`
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`01:09.54`	`Flimzy`	`shingouz: he's not ripping... he's un-ripping. hehe. convirting avis to DVD`
`01:09.55`	`shingouz`	`boukensya: it is a frontend for mencoder`
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`01:10.10`	`shingouz`	`Flimzy: uh. ok.`
`01:10.21`	`boukensya`	`so transcoder converts avi into mpg4? and then dvd author converts into dvd format?`
`01:11.10`	`daww`	`WiFiTux, yes`
`01:11.25`	`WiFiTux`	`no`
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`01:12.13`	`atbash`	`does the nvidia driver compile already with kernel 2.6.11 ?`
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`01:12.19`	`atbash`	`using module-assistant`
`01:12.25`	`Tarkus`	`if im gonna download debian, what file should i get??`
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`01:12.40`	`WiFiTux`	`Tarkus, debian.zip`
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`01:12.50`	`Tarkus`	`where is it?`
`01:12.53`	`WiFiTux`	`Tarkus, go to the site and download the installer.1!!`
`01:12.54`	`Berkut`	`hi all any url with sid mirros? i need change my sarge for sid`
`01:13.11`	`WiFiTux`	`Berkut, change the word testing for unstable`
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`01:13.23`	`mwilson`	`Berkut: The mirror you're using now doesn't have unstable on it?`
`01:13.30`	`Berkut`	`oks WiFiTux i think no`
`01:13.32`	`Berkut`	`see`
`01:13.47`	`WiFiTux`	`just change it and update`
`01:13.52`	`Berkut`	`# sid's section`
`01:13.52`	`Berkut`	`deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free`
`01:13.52`	`Berkut`	`deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free`
`01:14.06`	`WiFiTux`	`deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free`
`01:14.09`	`Berkut`	`deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-non-US sid/non-US main contrib non-free`
`01:14.09`	`Berkut`	`deb-src http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-non-US sid/non-US main contrib non-free`
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`01:14.12`	`Berkut`	`is correct?`
`01:14.15`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/`
`01:14.23`	`Tarkus`	`WiFiTux: i cant find it, all i see is 1386 stuff, there is like 30 different ones`
`01:14.28`	`dvs`	`Berkut: Change "sid" to "unstable"`
`01:14.29`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: ok, thank you`
`01:14.36`	`Berkut`	`ah ok`
`01:14.37`	`Berkut`	`:D`
`01:14.54`	`WiFiTux`	`Tarkus, look for the debian installer is like a 112MB with the base system`
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`01:15.24`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: choose "netinst CD image, with Debian base" for your architecture`
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`01:15.35`	`Berkut`	`ep`
`01:15.45`	`Berkut`	`now its working :D`
`01:15.51`	`elein`	`my mirror listed in apt/sources.list no longer works. How do I find new ones?`
`01:15.53`	`Berkut`	`thks for your help`
`01:15.57`	`mwilson`	`Why can't people read instructions?`
`01:15.59`	`WiFiTux`	`Berkut, but you wouldn't beleive me!`
`01:16.10`	`Berkut`	`hehe course`
`01:16.13`	`Berkut`	`:D`
`01:16.30`	`WiFiTux`	`elein, we just pasted the,`
`01:16.31`	`WiFiTux`	`m`
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`01:16.45`	`elein`	`where?`
`01:16.49`	`WiFiTux`	`deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free`
`01:16.56`	`WiFiTux`	`switch from unstable to testing`
`01:16.57`	`Berkut`	`is my first time with debian`
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`01:16.59`	`dvs`	`elein: scroll up in your chat logs`
`01:16.59`	`WiFiTux`	`os stable`
`01:17.01`	`Berkut`	`ver cool`
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`01:17.04`	`elein`	`ok, got it`
`01:17.09`	`Matt124`	`hey`
`01:17.10`	`WiFiTux`	`elein, from Seinfield?`
`01:17.15`	`Tarkus`	`hey`
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`01:17.26`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: i cant find it`
`01:17.32`	`elein`	`i was using a different mirror. and no, NOT Elaine`
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`01:17.40`	`dvs`	`WiFiTux: That "Elaine".`
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`01:17.56`	`WiFiTux`	`dvs, oh`
`01:17.57`	`Berkut`	`who see my debian is sid ?`
`01:18.05`	`Berkut`	`sorry for my english`
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`01:18.09`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: do i use i386 under netinst with base??`
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`01:18.54`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: what kind of pc do you have? Pentium, Athlon, amd64?`
`01:19.03`	`Tarkus`	`pentium`
`01:19.20`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: you need idd i386`
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`01:19.26`	`sixpack`	`MOOO`
`01:19.34`	`WiFiTux`	`!moo`
`01:19.34`	`sixpack`	`estar?`
`01:19.34`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo.`
`01:19.34`	`Tarkus`	`well, i have celeron`
`01:19.36`	`PRO1`	`[moo] [OS] Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 5h 14m 19s [CPU] 1-Intel Pentium 4, 3053MHz, 512KB (0% Load) [RAM] Usage: 271/512MB (52.93%) [\|\|\|\|\|-----] [Hard Drive] C:\ (26.25GB Free, 37.25GB Total)`
`01:19.46`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: if im using celeron what do i get?`
`01:19.51`	`sixpack`	`!moo`
`01:19.52`	`dpkg`	`mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo.`
`01:19.52`	`PRO1`	`[moo] [OS] Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 5h 14m 36s [CPU] 1-Intel Pentium 4, 3053MHz, 512KB (0% Load) [RAM] Usage: 271/512MB (52.93%) [\|\|\|\|\|-----] [Hard Drive] C:\ (26.25GB Free, 37.25GB Total)`
`01:19.56`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: i386`
`01:19.58`	`WiFiTux`	`?>?????/`
`01:20.05`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: ok, thank you`
`01:20.06`	`bluefox83`	`Tarkus, same thing`
`01:20.07`	`Ashtars_fanclub`	`is there any package available that gives you codecs for video compression to use with blender?`
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`01:20.19`	`WiFiTux`	`what da fuck is that !moo about with XP?!?!`
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`01:20.53`	`cyberkni`	`just type apt-get moo like it says too`
`01:21.03`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: its only 107mb??`
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`01:21.17`	`bluefox83`	`anyone else having really slow downloads from apt today?`
`01:21.22`	`chealer`	`what am I getting 404 on http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/module-assistant ? I'm linked from http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=module-assistant`
`01:21.26`	`vrt`	`can someone tell me how I can find out why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install cadmium webserver on my apache web server, are some other depencies not available?`
`01:21.29`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: it's a net-install, it will download the necessary packages while installing`
`01:21.29`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: that totally depends on your mirror`
`01:21.33`	`Xenguy`	`.oO( Thank gawd for ops with extreme prejudice ;-)`
`01:22.01`	`bluefox83`	`dondelelcaro, how can i find a nice speedy mirror?`
`01:22.14`	`dondelelcaro`	`bluefox83: run apt-setup; or use apt-spy`
`01:22.18`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: so should i save it to desktop or something??`
`01:22.35`	`mwilson`	`After all, people just die if they can't get 500k speed from a mirror.`
`01:22.42`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: cause i still want to have windows on my drive, is there an easy way to dual boot Debian Linux/Windows XP??`
`01:22.46`	`bluefox83`	`dondelelcaro, will apt-spy work while i am in the middle of an apt-get dist-upgrade?`
`01:22.55`	`cyberkni`	`No`
`01:22.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: hey, I'd die. I don't like it when I'm not getting 2-3M/s+ ;-)`
`01:23.03`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: for now you can save it on your desktop, but you will burn the image on a cd`
`01:23.05`	`mwilson`	`Hm, format string vuln in xv.`
`01:23.14`	`Tarkus`	`atbash: ok thanks`
`01:23.24`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: Why?`
`01:23.39`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: Heck of a lot better than most other image viewers out there.`
`01:23.40`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: the installer will detect WinXP and will configure a bootloader, so you can dual boot your system`
`01:24.01`	`bluefox83`	`Tarkus, grub an dlinux will both dual boot, so long as windows is on the first partition on the drive it shouldn't have any problems..`
`01:24.06`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: not really... xview, display, etc. all work just fine`
`01:24.29`	`vrt`	`can someone tell me how I can find out why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install cadmium webserver on my apache web server, are some other depencies not available?`
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`01:24.41`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: display is dead-dog-slow compared to xv`
`01:24.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: sure... but xview is pretty damn fast`
`01:24.54`	`bluefox83`	`yay! 238 out of 241!`
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`01:25.06`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: So... why do you hope no one is using it?`
`01:25.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: because it's pretty much not supported by anyone anymore`
`01:25.30`	`atbash`	`Tarkus: do not just copy the iso-file to a cd, but use Nero or something like that to burn an image!`
`01:25.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`not to mention the fact that it's so non-free that it can't even be distributed by Debian`
`01:26.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`(well, distributed in binary form)`
`01:26.54`	`vrt`	`is there a way to draw a depency tree or something for deb's?`
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`01:27.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`vrt: not trivially, no. In this case, what version of debian are you running? have you run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; first?`
`01:27.25`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: afaik, john bradley still supports it. There's a fairly thriving community of patches for it. As for "so non-free", it has the same problem Pine does with distribution of modified versions.`
`01:27.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: no, it's even worse, actually...`
`01:27.42`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: non-free doesn't bother me... what matters is what works.`
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`01:28.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: yeah, could be... but when there are free alternatives that work just as well, I don't see the point... but use whatever works for you.`
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`01:28.22`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: What other DFSG clause does it fail?`
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`01:28.31`	`dafen`	`where to download sarge dvd as bittorent?`
`01:28.40`	`dafen`	`or direct download`
`01:28.41`	`vrt`	`dondelelcaro: running testing, freshly updated and upgraded, dist-upgrade want's to install cadmium and I already have a webserver`
`01:28.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: it's not even a DFSG question, It's the whole, "we can't legally distribute this thing"`
`01:28.46`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: I've not found any that I think work as well.`
`01:29.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`vrt: you've got php4 installed, right?`
`01:29.24`	`vrt`	`right`
`01:29.32`	`mwilson`	`dondelelcaro: The only thing that came out of the debian-legal discussion way back when was distribution of modified binaries. What other problem do you see?`
`01:29.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`vrt: and which version is actually installed?`
`01:29.55`	`vrt`	`dondelelcaro: ii php4 4.3.10-2`
`01:29.58`	`mwilson`	`Hm, Gentoo just now catches something that Debian had caught back in the Potato days.`
`01:30.03`	`WiFiTux`	`dafen, go to the site and read.`
`01:30.07`	`atbash`	`dafen: http://www.debian.org/distrib/cd you will have to use jigdo`
`01:30.19`	`bluefox83`	`mwilson, what would that be?`
`01:30.20`	`abrotman`	`dondelelcaro: it's been doing it`
`01:30.29`	`dafen`	`I don't want to use jigdo`
`01:30.30`	`abrotman`	`vrt: it's safe to remove caudium .. and pike7.2`
`01:30.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: http://www.trilon.com/xv/manual/xv-3.10a/availability.html`
`01:30.56`	`atbash`	`dafen: why not?`
`01:30.57`	`dondelelcaro`	`it's straight up shareware...`
`01:31.05`	`dafen`	`only use BT`
`01:31.13`	`mwilson`	`So?`
`01:31.19`	`dafen`	`hate to install so many softwares on my little machine`
`01:31.23`	`bluefox83`	`dafen, BT Nazi!`
`01:31.29`	`mwilson`	`Didn't think you were someone who had a problem with paying for software.`
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`01:31.46`	`vrt`	`abrotman: caudium is not installed, and I don't want to install it`
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`01:31.50`	`dafen`	`sigh,.. really no BT dvd-iso?`
`01:31.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: software that I have to pay to use if I'm doing work with it in a comercial environment? Definetly.`
`01:32.08`	`atbash`	`dafen: it's such a tiny app...`
`01:32.11`	`abrotman`	`vrt: well . then i guess you'll never be updating again .. i let it do it .. then purged it`
`01:32.13`	`mwilson`	`dafen: What would be the point?`
`01:32.15`	`nvz`	`dafen: most people use jigdo for that :P`
`01:32.18`	`atbash`	`just remove it afterwards`
`01:32.25`	`dondelelcaro`	`mwilson: I don't like to have to worry about paying for my software or worying whether or not it's legal for me to actually be using software`
`01:32.32`	`nvz`	`!info jigdo`
`01:32.35`	`dpkg`	`jigdo: (GTK+ download manager), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.7.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 227 kB, Installed size: 514 kB`
`01:32.37`	`Aaton`	`dafen: well I don't know of any official BT's of the dvd-iso just bite the bullet and do the jigdo method... its doesn't hurt much...`
`01:32.46`	`nvz`	`whoo hoo 514kB`
`01:32.58`	`dondelelcaro`	`!info libapache-mod-php4`
`01:33.01`	`dondelelcaro`	`!info libapache-mod-php4 sarge`
`01:33.02`	`dpkg`	`libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-9 (sid), Packaged size: 1605 kB, Installed size: 3176 kB`
`01:33.04`	`dpkg`	`libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 1605 kB, Installed size: 3183 kB`
`01:33.15`	`bob2`	`dondelelcaro: if a license insists you have toagree to said license to use the software, is that by itself dfsg-un-free?`
`01:33.18`	`bob2`	`dondelelcaro: or just a no op?`
`01:33.27`	`Aaton`	`mwilson: its fun to install sarge at Frys...`
`01:33.31`	`vrt`	`abrotman: there must be some some way of finding which package or dependancy of a package that depents on this caudium`
`01:33.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`bob2: depends...`
`01:33.33`	`Aaton`	`or BestBuy`
`01:33.37`	`WiFiTux`	`I don't understand apt-get moo.`
`01:33.38`	`chealer`	`hey dondelelcaro. we were wondering earlier why dpkg sometimes truncated the factoids`
`01:33.44`	`nvz`	`yeah considering sarge is being updated daily, its an incredible waste of resources to make DVD's especially DVD ISO's and be hosting them`
`01:33.54`	`dondelelcaro`	`chealer: yes... I haven't walked through that part of the code that changed yet.`
`01:33.58`	`bob2`	`WiFiTux: there's something to understand?`
`01:34.08`	`abrotman`	`vrt: iirc .. it's php4 tiself`
`01:34.10`	`mwilson`	`Aaton: And you'd do something so stupid because...?`
`01:34.10`	`dafen`	`err... ok how long I am gonna to wait for sarge became stable?`
`01:34.18`	`mwilson`	`dafen: Until it is.`
`01:34.21`	`dondelelcaro`	`!tell dafen about wwsr`
`01:34.22`	`chealer`	`dondelelcaro: ok, I just wanted to make sure you knew`
`01:34.23`	`dvs`	`dafen: forever`
`01:34.23`	`WiFiTux`	`bob2, a cow greeting with a command?`
`01:34.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`vrt: as you can see, you don't have the newest version of php4 and/or libapache-mod-php4 installed.`
`01:35.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`vrt: in resolving the virtual dependency it's trying to install caudium-php4 for some reason instead of just upgrading libapache-mod-php4. If you use aptitude instead, you won't have this problem.`
`01:35.49`	`Aaton`	`mwilson: no, I just needed a a sarge dvd once... just as a backup disk to carry while I travel. other than that I actually have no reason for dvd-iso of sarge. without a netconnection its a handy item to have.`
`01:35.56`	`chealer`	`!tell me about enter`
`01:36.15`	`chealer`	`sorry`
`01:36.20`	`bob2`	`WiFiTux: indeed`
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`01:36.29`	`nvz`	`WiFiTux: its an easter egg, for people with a sense of humor. You obviouslt dont have one.`
`01:36.35`	`nvz`	`its not documented in the manpage`
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`01:37.45`	`intero`	`how come i dont see manpages correcly with utf-8? do i need to set some formatting option?`
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`01:38.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`intero: you need to have LANG="somethingUTF-8" and a shell that can deal with UTF-8`
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`01:38.23`	`WiFiTux`	`nvz, who says stupid things in the channel? Me? I have sense of humor, I was just stranged`
`01:38.26`	`nvz`	`or special utf-8 glasses, they have little slits in them`
`01:38.42`	`abrotman`	`!yinzersmite nvz`
`01:38.48`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`01:38.49`	`Blissex`	`WiFiTux: /etc/init.d/senseofhumour restart :-)`
`01:38.50`	`nvz`	`heh`
`01:38.57`	`WiFiTux`	`Blissex, hehe`
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`01:39.10`	`jumpkick`	`I'm looking at a Firewire 800 card... is PCI 2.2 the only PCI version capable of 64-bit?`
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`01:39.33`	`jsturgis`	`what is a good sftp client for X?`
`01:39.34`	`abrotman`	`#hardware ?`
`01:39.43`	`intero`	`dondelelcaro: LANG="it_IT.UTF-8@euro" with GNU bash, version 3.00.16(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)`
`01:39.49`	`jumpkick`	`k, thanks`
`01:39.54`	`dondelelcaro`	`intero: and what terminal?`
`01:40.18`	`intero`	`dondelelcaro: gnome-terminal`
`01:40.26`	`zinx`	`vte is the DEVIL`
`01:40.27`	`abrotman`	`and it's amd64?`
`01:40.38`	`zinx`	`it couldn't emulate a vt001, let alone a vt100 :P`
`01:40.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`intero: hrm... I don't know if gnome-terminal supports UTF-8`
`01:40.46`	`zinx`	`it does support utf-8`
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`01:40.54`	`zinx`	`but it doesn't support proper emulation`
`01:41.09`	`jumpkick`	`abrotman, the board I have is a S939 AMD64`
`01:41.14`	`jumpkick`	`so yeah`
`01:41.44`	`vrt`	`dondelelcaro and abrotman: I ran apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 and then it stopped trying to install caudium`
`01:41.48`	`intero`	`dondelelcaro: what do you use?`
`01:41.59`	`dondelelcaro`	`intero: uxterm or rxvt-unicode-ml`
`01:42.01`	`vrt`	`dondelelcaro and abrotman: thanks for the help`
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`01:42.24`	`davis`	`hello`
`01:42.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`intero: the latter of which has a few problems, but uxterm seems to work well on everything !ppc`
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`01:42.55`	`WiFiTux`	`PerfDave, get 2.6.11 to Sid already! :)`
`01:43.09`	`intero`	`dondelelcaro: thanks for everything as always ;)`
`01:43.16`	`davis`	`i have a problem with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`
`01:43.30`	`abrotman`	`vrt: good .. (i guess i was just lazy and purged caudium) :)`
`01:43.42`	`davis`	`it does not recreate my /etc/X11/XF86Config[-4] file`
`01:43.46`	`davis`	`any idea why?`
`01:44.06`	`dvs`	`!xmd5sum`
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`01:44.14`	`Thaiger`	`Hi, I have some commands that I put in my ~/.xinitrc, but it seems like that file is ignored when I startup, how do I correct this?`
`01:44.32`	`davis`	`Thaiger: put them in your .xsession`
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`01:44.49`	`davis`	`Thaiger: also are you using gdm?`
`01:46.05`	`dvs`	`!tell davis about xmd5`
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`01:46.33`	`Thaiger`	`davis: Yes`
`01:46.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`intero: np`
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`01:47.38`	`intero`	`dondelelcaro: LANG="it_IT.8859-15@euro" man mplayer gives no problem, so maybe it's gnome-terminal, as you thought`
`01:47.46`	`nvz`	`I checked out this book today titled "Grammar For Grownups". I went to the library looking for help on English grammar, and this book shouted out to me, "Hey moron, read me!".`
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`01:48.02`	`davis`	`dvs thanks man`
`01:48.08`	`dvs`	`np`
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`01:48.34`	`alexscott`	`plop`
`01:48.35`	`davis`	`Thaiger: when you choose your session with GDM, make sure you choose the first one -- system i think - it will read your .xsession`
`01:49.14`	`abrotman`	`moldy?`
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`01:50.40`	`cafuego`	`abrotman: You should consider chanhing because their website needs browser detection`
`01:50.46`	`Thaiger`	`davis: I use fluxbox so the I just chose fluxbox a long time ago and told gdm to use that as the default for me. Are you saying I have to pick flux everytime I login?`
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`01:51.23`	`abrotman`	`cafuego: it has it .. it just sucks .. badly`
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`01:51.45`	`bob2`	`u_int32_t: hi there`
`01:51.47`	`cafuego`	`abrotman: A decently designed site doesn't NEED it (except perhaps for WAP browsers).`
`01:51.49`	`nvz`	`abrotman: did you even read what he said?`
`01:51.56`	`jbAU`	`I want to be able to view gzip'd files in less, anyone know how?`
`01:52.06`	`bob2`	`jbAU: read the README and README.Debian`
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`01:52.16`	`abrotman`	`cafuego: i think it's a java thing .. don't ask me`
`01:52.30`	`abrotman`	`nvz: i know what he said ..`
`01:52.33`	`cafuego`	`So maybe you don't push out 600 pixel wide graphics to a palm pilot or somesuch :-)`
`01:52.41`	`abrotman`	`i don't mind if they have it .. because you iknow .. like IE4 sucks :)`
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`01:52.52`	`davis`	`Thaiger: you only have to choose fluxbox the first time.`
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`01:53.06`	`nvz`	`abrotman: I hear you saying, that you hear what he is saying; but do you really hear what he is saying :P`
`01:53.15`	`davis`	`Thaiger: try to run system with a proper .xsession`
`01:53.37`	`jbAU`	`bob2: it doesn't have anything about gzip ?`
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`01:54.13`	`davis`	`Thaiger:it should work using your .xsesssion. when you are happy with your .xsession, choose default in the session manager.`
`01:54.17`	`bob2`	`jbAU: then use zless`
`01:54.20`	`bob2`	`or google`
`01:54.25`	`bob2`	`I can't be assed to explain it`
`01:54.27`	`jbAU`	`bob2: aweomse thanx`
`01:54.58`	`Thaiger`	`davis: OK I get it, thanks`
`01:55.15`	`abrotman`	`anyone remember which version fo mozilla Netscape 7.0 used ?`
`01:55.27`	`abrotman`	`nvz: i can't hear him .. he's far away`
`01:55.36`	`mrclark`	`hi all. i'm having a problem with ndiswrapper -- i've installed it from the sarge repos, loaded the driver successfully (ndiswrapper -l says what it should), but modprobe ndiswrapper fails with FATAL: module not found. i've checked the wiki, but there's no advice.`
`01:55.38`	`bluefox83`	`how do i get a list of the two letter location things in apt-spy.conf ?`
`01:55.40`	`mrclark`	`anyone had this problem?`
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`01:56.10`	`Zap-W`	`mornign`
`01:56.10`	`bob2`	`mrclark: pretty clear....youdon't have the module`
`01:56.25`	`citral`	`evenign`
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`01:56.41`	`mrclark`	`bob2, thank you so much :-p. how does one resolve this? i've installed ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils, there shouldn't be an issue.`
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`01:57.01`	`bob2`	`mrclark: you haven't built the module, I assume`
`01:57.06`	`bob2`	`or didn't install it`
`01:57.16`	`bob2`	`doesn't ndiswrapper-source have documenation?`
`01:57.48`	`mrclark`	`bob2, quite possibly.`
`01:57.51`	`mrclark`	`let's go look.`
`01:58.06`	`bob2`	`it's just source, you have to build the module before it does anything`
`01:59.11`	`khanman`	`whats the best ext2/3 driver for windows with r/w support?`
`01:59.25`	`bob2`	`is there one?`
`01:59.33`	`bob2`	`I wouldn't trust windows to write to an important disk`
`01:59.52`	`citral`	`there is iirc, but you can't trust it`
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`02:00.43`	que`	`by chance, is there a program to zero an hd?`
`02:00.51`	`mrclark`	que` , dd
`02:01.01`	que`	`that's what someone suggested in #slackware`
`02:01.01`	`citral`	`explore2fs and ext2fsd are the candidates`
`02:01.06`	`abrotman`	que`: to do what ?
`02:01.10`	que`	`i was just curious if it's safe, i only have used it on floppies`
`02:01.14`	`mrclark`	`be careful, but dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX should do it.`
`02:01.28`	`abrotman`	que`: what are you trying to do?
`02:01.35`	que`	`abrotman to format bascially`
`02:01.41`	que`	`zero all the data back to factory state`
`02:01.43`	`abrotman`	que`: but to destroy your data ?
`02:01.45`	`Zap-W`	`oops wron button`
`02:01.55`	que`	`yes`
`02:02.14`	que`	`heh`
`02:02.17`	`abrotman`	que`: you can try dban ... but i'm confused if you're just trying to format .. or destroy bank records etc
`02:02.41`	que`	`nothing personal, just want a fresh hd`
`02:02.42`	`abrotman`	`!fish mrclark`
`02:02.51`	que`	`tends to write/read faster for while`
`02:02.56`	que`	`it's been like 5 years`
`02:02.59`	que`	`sinec i've done it`
`02:03.01`	`abrotman`	que`: that doesn't make sense .. but whatever
`02:03.18`	que`	`abrotman you've never noticed a different between just regular partition and zero?`
`02:03.26`	que`	`abrotman it just feels more responsive`
`02:03.54`	`abrotman`	que`: i think you're smoking crack :)
`02:04.01`	que`	`abrotman lies! ;p`
`02:04.32`	`abrotman`	que`: so use dd .. or check dban.sf.net .. but the dban is more for data destruction .. and iirc .. long process
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`02:04.58`	que`	`ya, couple hours at least`
`02:04.59`	que`	`4gb hd`
`02:05.02`	que`	`ata 100`
`02:05.09`	`shingouz`	que`: dd from /dev/random is pretty good too but takes forever
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`02:05.29`	que`	`gotcha`
`02:05.58`	que`	`i'll have to look that up tho`
`02:05.59`	que`	`never used it`
`02:06.29`	`abrotman`	`mrclark: use a sawfish`
`02:06.43`	`shingouz`	que`: the only reason i ever use a low level format is when i get some old drive that i absolutely want to be empty or when trying to get a hardware raid to function with drives that have been used with another type of hardware raid
`02:06.58`	`shingouz`	`badgers`
`02:08.01`	`abrotman`	`mushroom!`
`02:08.12`	`shingouz`	`as long as you don't lick it`
`02:08.43`	`jbAU`	`snake!`
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`02:08.55`	que`	`shingouz understood`
`02:09.02`	`snake`	`yup?`
`02:09.16`	`bluefox83`	`how do you configure th elist of locations inside a country with apt-spy?`
`02:09.17`	que`	`i'm pretty new to linux`
`02:09.22`	que`	`trying to setup apache w/ php and mysql`
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`02:09.31`	que`	`going to try, rather`
`02:09.48`	`shingouz`	que`: you do not need to low level the drive for that though
`02:09.59`	`jbAU`	que` apt-get install apache php4 libapache-php4 php4-mysql
`02:10.18`	que`	`shingouz i know it's not needed, but it's always felt like a zero has made it run faster`
`02:10.24`	que`	`php4?`
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`02:10.32`	`shingouz`	que`: this is linux... ;)
`02:10.43`	que`	`php5 doesn't have any files for linux?`
`02:10.54`	`CompBrain`	que`: it does
`02:10.58`	`jbAU`	que` if you're using unstable then you can install php5
`02:11.00`	`CompBrain`	`theres no official debian package for it`
`02:11.03`	que`	`shingouz well, ya, it's linux...but i'm a newb@linux :P`
`02:11.09`	`cair0`	que`, it's not fully tested
`02:11.18`	que`	`jabu cair0, understood`
`02:11.47`	`travisat`	`I still don't know whats so great about php5 compared to php4`
`02:12.35`	que`	`from what i've read tho, it's said not to use apache 2`
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`02:12.59`	`nvz`	`travisat: well php5 is not recommened to be used even by its developers from what I hear.. thats the difference :P`
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`02:13.29`	`nvz`	`s/even//`
`02:13.43`	`travisat`	`nvz: heh`
`02:14.33`	`rares`	`travisat: exceptions, oop...`
`02:15.13`	`rares`	`anyone using scratchbox on sid ?`
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`02:21.46`	`aphisone`	`okay... if anyone can help please do! just recently the text on GDM is so small that it looks like dots, and when ever I go to play video it's streched horizontaly (about *5) On rare occasions when I reboot GDM displays the text properly and the video is fine, so there is an obvious corelation, any sugestions?`
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`02:23.39`	`nvz`	`aphisone: sounds like a gtk fontsize issue :P try give more clues, like which debian branch you are using.. if you upgraded recently, or perhaps changed any gtk or X settings`
`02:24.12`	`nvz`	`personally the issue sounds scary to me.. I havent the foggiest idea at this point what to tell you`
`02:24.23`	`nvz`	`details never hurt`
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`02:25.14`	`WolfCub`	`Hey all, anyone have any idea why sound volume randomly varies on Sarge using ALSA on an NForce 2 integrated sound card?`
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`02:25.39`	`WolfCub`	`I have OSS emulation as well, built into the kernel, if that matters.`
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`02:25.49`	`Slei`	`anyone knows why the partition usage remain the same after i mv a huge file to another partition? i am sure i moved it`
`02:26.08`	`Zap-W`	`ppl have such weird problems`
`02:26.19`	`aphisone`	`nvz, i'm running debian-sarge, no recent changes that i can remember`
`02:26.46`	`Zap-W`	`if you reboot now , will the font size change again?`
`02:27.05`	`nvz`	`heh, yeah strange things happen sometimes`
`02:27.40`	`Slei`	`i think my problem is strange too.`
`02:28.01`	`aphisone`	`Zap-W, didn't last time i tried....`
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`02:28.53`	`nvz`	`Slei: its also vague :P`
`02:28.56`	`j4cbo`	`my fonts are messed up...`
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`02:29.50`	`Zap-W`	`aphisone: you can play with the dpi settings`
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`02:29.58`	`Zap-W`	`or edit /etc/fonts/local.conf`
`02:30.00`	`j4cbo`	`everything's "bigger" than it's supposed to be, even though it's set to the right size in the kde font applet, and i'm quite sure that it's not the right font`
`02:30.02`	`WolfCub`	`No one else has the varying volume problems???`
`02:30.24`	`Slei`	`nvz: well. the problem is weird. i moved a file from one partition(A) to another(B), i saw the B partition increased and the A partition space usage reamins the same. and i looked and the file is not in the old partition anymore.`
`02:30.41`	`nvz`	`seems everyone here is having vagueness problems.. that much is obvious.`
`02:30.51`	`nvz`	`varying vagueness`
`02:31.04`	`WolfCub`	`Sound volume fades in and out.`
`02:31.14`	`WolfCub`	`When gaming and listening to music etc.`
`02:31.19`	`Zap-W`	`heh`
`02:31.21`	`travisat`	`WolfCub: sounds like a hardware related issue`
`02:31.22`	`Slei`	`WolfCub: what does that mean ?`
`02:31.26`	`WolfCub`	`Using ALSA with OSS emulation in the kernel.`
`02:31.34`	`WolfCub`	`Nforce 2 sound card.`
`02:31.51`	`WolfCub`	`It can't be the hardware, it works fine in other distros.`
`02:32.07`	`duckman75`	`why is name resolution so slow in linux? i have tried everything.... i have read that ipv6 causes a lot of the lag in name resolution, but i have that turned off and it is still VERY slow.. help please?`
`02:32.11`	`WolfCub`	`The volume just goes up and down for no apparent reason...`
`02:32.22`	`j4cbo`	`gah, this is horrible`
`02:32.39`	`j4cbo`	`24 lines of text in the ksirc window at 1024x768`
`02:32.53`	`aphisone`	`Zap-W, this issue only effects the GDM and video as far as I have noticed`
`02:32.57`	`WolfCub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:32.58`	`j4cbo`	`i have no idea what changed...`
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`02:33.07`	`WolfCub`	`And alsa 1.08`
`02:33.07`	`jbAU`	`duckman75 are you running a name server?`
`02:33.07`	`Zap-W`	`duckman75: try reading the network session in http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
`02:33.14`	`duckman75`	`jbAU: no`
`02:33.38`	`emRick`	`I've done a harddrive install from Knoppix but I've heard that I should do a installation of (true) Debian. Given that I can handle Knoppix/APT/etc without too much trouble, what would you recommend as the best way to install Debian (in a fresh harddrive partition)?`
`02:33.49`	`Seb`	`is there a command to type that'd tell me what kind of RAM is in a box ?`
`02:33.56`	`Zap-W`	`aphisone: gdm dosen't use your homedir .gtkrc`
`02:34.19`	`j4cbo`	`how do i set my display's dpi?`
`02:34.21`	`jbAU`	`emRick grap debian cd1 and use that to install`
`02:34.36`	`Seb`	`nvz: irssi, scrren, aterm, same combo here (in 1600x1200 though ;) )`
`02:34.37`	`jbAU`	`duckman75 well if you run a caching name server on your box that will speed things up`
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`02:35.10`	`duckman75`	`jbAU: is that a normal thing you have to setup ?`
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`02:35.19`	`emRick`	`jbAU: I've heard of something else called jidgo or jigdo? would this be something better to try?`
`02:35.32`	`WolfCub`	`So do you guys think I should go pick up an Audigy 4 or something to replace my sound card then?`
`02:35.37`	`deadcat`	`why is apt-setup picking from testing when i have unstable in /etc/apt/apt.conf?`
`02:35.42`	`nvz`	`Seb: I was using 1600x1200 when I was in Tx and had a decent monitor, now I got this shitty Packard Bell 14" PB8538SVGA, and its barely doing the 640x480`
`02:36.10`	`j4cbo`	`the font sizes in the control panel are all in points... how does it translate that to pixels?`
`02:36.19`	`jbAU`	`duckman75 yes it's normal, try dnsmasq`
`02:36.23`	`Seb`	`nvz: heh`
`02:36.30`	`jbAU`	`duckman75 but your really want something like bind`
`02:36.38`	`Seb`	`nvz: screen is really the ultimate sh*t, console or X, though :)`
`02:36.47`	`Zap-W`	`aphisone: i am not really sure , maybe it reads root's .gtkrc-2.0 file or in /etc/gtk for the font to use ..`
`02:37.04`	`duckman75`	`jbAU: should i just go with bind`
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`02:37.18`	`jbAU`	`duckman75 yes definately`
`02:37.37`	`aphisone`	`Zap-W, ?? why would gdm be effected but when gnome loads it's not... and why my video... any clues to that at all?`
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`02:38.13`	`Zap-W`	`aphisone: you have set a custom font in gnome?`
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`02:38.51`	`Zap-W`	`aphisone: did you play with the font settings in gnome ..?`
`02:39.00`	`jbAU`	`duckman75 bind is a powerful thing tho, essentially you just want to sitck with the standard debian config, maybe tell it to use you local dns servers for refencing`
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`02:40.26`	`duckman75`	`jbAU: searching for install docs now`
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`02:40.45`	`omirix`	`anyone here at FullSail? pm me please`
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`02:41.14`	`D7`	`where's .pt?`
`02:41.23`	`WolfCub`	`There I got my desktop's speakers plugged into my laptop, we shall see if the same problems exist.`
`02:41.27`	`WolfCub`	`The laptop is Sarge too.`
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`02:41.40`	`[2]far`	`Hello, does anyone has a manual on a way to copy an entire disc into another disc via rsync ?`
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`02:41.47`	`[2]far`	`4Gb of data`
`02:42.06`	`nvz`	`D7: portugal`
`02:42.19`	`D7`	`ah`
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`02:42.39`	`nvz`	`would be my guess.`
`02:42.43`	`duckman75`	`jbAU: should i just apt-get it or are there configurations i need to worry about?`
`02:42.54`	`[2]far`	`nvz what's the problem with .pt ?`
`02:43.28`	`nvz`	`[2]far: I don't know, you tell me. You're the one thats there.`
`02:43.30`	`omirix`	`anyone here at FullSail? pm me please`
`02:43.38`	`[2]far`	`nvz lol`
`02:43.44`	`aphisone`	`Zap-W, no I havn't played with any settings for a while... took me long enough to get it set the way I wanted it to`
`02:44.14`	`emRick`	`if I'm switching from a Knoppix harddrive install to true Debian, should I use debian cd1 or jigdo ... by the way, I'm on a dialup ... but I am reasonably patient and don't mind tying up my phoneline for a few days`
`02:44.16`	`[2]far`	`Anyway, does anyone has a howto on a way to copy an entire disc into another disc via rsync ?`
`02:44.32`	`WolfCub`	`You should use the sarge netinstaller.`
`02:44.45`	`xiaohacker`	`hello`
`02:44.51`	`WolfCub`	`Get rc2, it has worked on all machines I've installed on.`
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`02:45.29`	`xiaohacker`	`I mirror a debian, got error "receiving file list ... rsync error: received SIGUSR1 or SIGINT (code 20) at rsync.c(229)"?`
`02:46.04`	`Zap-W`	`aphisone: that's why it's different from gdm after you log in it reads your settings from a different file in your home dir`
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`02:47.44`	`aphisone`	`Zap-W, at no time have I changed fonts`
`02:47.52`	`xiaohacker`	`and server log show error "2005/02/28 08:22:43 [15167] name lookup failed for 202.101.96.253: Name or service not known`
`02:47.52`	`xiaohacker`	`2005/02/28 08:22:44 [15167] rsync on debian-uo/dists/ from UNKNOWN (202.101.96.253)`
`02:47.52`	`xiaohacker`	`2005/02/28 08:24:10 [15170] name lookup failed for 202.101.96.253: Name or service not known`
`02:47.52`	`xiaohacker`	`2005/02/28 08:24:11 [15170] rsync on debian-uo/ from UNKNOWN (202.101.96.253)`
`02:47.52`	`xiaohacker`	`2005/02/28 08:39:12 [15167] rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4096 bytes: phase "send_file_entry" [sender]: Connection timed out (110)`
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`02:48.31`	`travisat`	`what was that`
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`02:48.40`	`bob2`	`an idiot`
`02:48.44`	`WolfCub`	`Laptop doesn't seem to be having volume problems, must be the desktop's settings causing the problem.`
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`02:49.26`	`WolfCub`	`Xiaohacker: you can't copy paste multiple lines into here, floodprotect will boot you.`
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`02:50.13`	`[2]far`	`good night`
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`02:52.35`	`dragon-ball`	`haii`
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`02:54.44`	`nuix`	`hello, how can i move the software widnow out of the upper edge of desktop under gnome?`
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`02:55.11`	`nuix`	`i can do this using old version gnome`
`02:55.40`	`nuix`	`but now it does not have this function`
`02:55.46`	`WiFiTux`	`wow, CSI meets CSI Miami`
`02:56.14`	`douog`	`any mozilla-firefox users?`
`02:56.26`	`travisat`	`yeah`
`02:56.34`	`Sethan0n`	`yerp`
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`02:56.45`	Tweak`TG-Owner	`if u have a 32 bit os and running 32 bit aplication vs 64 bit os and 64 bit ap what will perform better?`
`02:56.52`	`douog`	`Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server`
`02:56.52`	`douog`	`Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client!`
`02:56.52`	`douog`	`(firefox-bin:6411): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:`
`02:57.00`	`rodmur`	`is there a i386 sarge rescue floppy?`
`02:57.04`	`WiFiTux`	Tweak`TG-Owner, no, it's worst and more expensive.
`02:57.06`	`douog`	`I just apt-get install mozilla-firefox what now?`
`02:57.16`	`travisat`	`douog: open a terminal and killall firefox-bin`
`02:57.23`	`WiFiTux`	Tweak`TG-Owner, 20% more
`02:57.30`	`nuix`	`how can i move the software widnow out of the upper edge of desktop under gnome?`
`02:57.35`	`abrotman`	`there are floppies for sarge`
`02:57.47`	`douog`	`travisat: ok`
`02:57.57`	`travisat`	`douog: if that doesn't work rm .mozilla directory`
`02:58.01`	`blue_`	`is it incorrect to say 'people and forigners'`
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`02:58.11`	`travisat`	`~/.mozilla`
`02:58.12`	`rodmur`	`abrotman: but I can't seem to get the boot floppy to act as an rescue`
`02:58.19`	`shingouz`	`blue_: yes, there is a typo`
`02:58.37`	`douog`	`travisat: ya that no worky`
`02:58.48`	`rodmur`	`and I can't seem to find a rescue.bin for i386 for sarge`
`02:58.50`	`blue_`	`politically`
`02:58.51`	`travisat`	`rm ~/.mozilla`
`02:58.52`	que`	`if i dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/device...as soon as it says "dd: /dev/hda: No space left on device" It should be done with a low lvl format, correct?`
`02:58.55`	`rodmur`	`existed for woody`
`02:59.11`	`rodmur`	`but that kernel is just way too old`
`02:59.18`	`douog`	`travisat: where would firefox typically be?`
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`02:59.44`	`shingouz`	`blue_: if you want to get lynched you can say such things in public..`
`02:59.45`	`dotdotdot`	`Which distribution package do I get for an AMD Athlon?`
`02:59.50`	`abrotman`	`k7`
`02:59.58`	`travisat`	`douog: are you trying to run firefox as root`
`03:00.01`	`shingouz`	que`: yes
`03:00.07`	`douog`	`travisat: no`
`03:00.26`	que`	`shingouz thank you :D`
`03:00.31`	`shingouz`	`np`
`03:00.52`	`travisat`	`douog: firefox install with apt-get is at /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox`
`03:00.53`	`Thanatermesis`	`how to delete the MBR ?`
`03:01.30`	`dotdotdot`	`abrotman: was that to me?`
`03:01.39`	`douog`	`travisat: so rm mozilla-firefox`
`03:02.32`	`travisat`	`douog: you shouldn't do that`
`03:03.05`	`douog`	`travisat: ok at mozilla-firefox dir`
`03:03.15`	`travisat`	`rm /home/yourusr/.mozilla`
`03:04.07`	`douog`	`travisat: there isn't anything in that folder`
`03:04.41`	`travisat`	`douog: logout, log back in and run firefox again`
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`03:05.10`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: what do you want to do ?`
`03:05.22`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: there's not much of deleting the mbr`
`03:05.43`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: every os comes with his mbr, the null mbr does not exist`
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`03:06.13`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, Im installed a debootstrap system to have a old grub in MBR, the linux partition are the "bootable", and runs the old grub in MBR... how to delete the MBR ?`
`03:06.52`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: replace it with another mbr`
`03:07.07`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: by installing grub or lilo over the old one`
`03:07.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, how to create a grub instalation in MBR in a chrooted environmet ?`
`03:07.40`	`paster`	`"The_ball" at 220.240.35.100 pasted "tc filter rules doesn't match anything" (46 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/326`
`03:07.42`	`The_Ball`	`I'm having some trouble with some traffic shaping, the "tc filter" rules are not matching anything, is there something wrong in my syntax?`
`03:07.44`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: the chroot does not make much difference to root anyway, it's as usual`
`03:07.58`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: as long as your chroot root is not mounted with nodev`
`03:07.59`	`The_Ball`	`please see the paste for the tc commands`
`03:09.19`	`abrotman`	`The_Ball: #iptables`
`03:09.29`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: so it would be, say, "grub-install /dev/hda" iirc`
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`03:09.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`humm..`
`03:09.49`	`Thanatermesis`	`Im test`
`03:09.56`	`The_Ball`	`abrotman, ok, but it's not really a iptable question, more a linux routing question`
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`03:10.59`	`shew`	`Has anyone had a problem with authenticated smtp connections with evolution stopping working when using port 587 since a few weeks ago?`
`03:11.03`	`shew`	`(in sarge)`
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`03:11.16`	`xun5`	`hi, whats the command to mount a ntfs partition in fstab?`
`03:11.36`	`shew`	`I can use kmail just fine, but sarge won't connect via tls using port 587.`
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`03:11.42`	`doub`	`xun5: the usual one, specifying "ntfs" as fs type, and "ro" as options`
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`03:12.08`	`dotdotdot`	`sorry to repeat, but, what distribution do I download for an AMD athlon PC?`
`03:12.11`	`xun5`	`doub: i want to use that partition as a user, not as a root`
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`03:12.24`	`abrotman`	`The_Ball: which is iptables :)`
`03:12.27`	`abrotman`	`i think`
`03:12.30`	`abrotman`	`bah ..`
`03:12.42`	`doub`	`xun5: add "umask=2" to options iirc`
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`03:13.25`	`doub`	`xun5: yes, just checked, it's "umask=2"`
`03:13.34`	`xun5`	`doub: k, thx`
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`03:13.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub,`
`03:13.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Knoppix:/# grub-install /dev/hda`
`03:13.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.`
`03:13.47`	`doub`	`xun5: or uid=[user id] if you only want one user`
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`03:14.11`	`xun5`	`doub: you know whats the command to update fstab?`
`03:14.22`	`xun5`	`without restarting`
`03:14.26`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: that's because you're under knoppix, your root is mounted with nodev`
`03:14.31`	`WiFiTux`	`mount -a`
`03:14.47`	`Thanatermesis`	`humm...`
`03:14.50`	`shingouz`	`xun5: mount -a -o remount`
`03:14.57`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: get out of chroot, "mount -o remount,dev [chroot mount point]" and try again`
`03:15.14`	`Thanatermesis`	`interessant doub, Im are in a project to create a liveCD with have a debootstrap install,`
`03:15.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, accept me one priv ?`
`03:15.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`Im test`
`03:15.34`	`WiFiTux`	`xun5, didn't your mom teach you to say thank you?`
`03:15.36`	`WiFiTux`	`geez.`
`03:15.45`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: you'd better explain it all here, maybe that's of interrest to some people here`
`03:15.52`	`doublehp`	`any one could give an example of command using mlabel or minfo ???`
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`03:16.19`	`xun5`	`WiFiTux thx you :P`
`03:16.23`	`simmerz`	`how would i start a new xserver on tty8?`
`03:16.46`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok`
`03:16.55`	`xun5`	`but now, i get this error mount: /media/windows not mounted already, or bad option`
`03:17.00`	`doub`	`simmerz: "X :1"`
`03:17.00`	`WiFiTux`	`simmerz, something like startx -1 or something`
`03:17.07`	`simmerz`	`ok`
`03:17.09`	`WiFiTux`	`startx :1`
`03:17.12`	`shingouz`	`xun5: then you need to mount it manually`
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`03:17.17`	`WiFiTux`	`xun5, :)`
`03:17.17`	`zinx`	`--`
`03:17.24`	`WiFiTux`	`shingouz, yum`
`03:17.32`	`shingouz`	`:)`
`03:17.37`	`stew`	`simmerz: startx -- :1`
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`03:18.20`	`xun5`	`shingouz: how do i mount it with user permissions?`
`03:18.48`	`shingouz`	`xun5: huh? what are you trying to do there`
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`03:19.13`	`doub`	`xun5: what's your fstab line like ?`
`03:19.28`	`WiFiTux`	`xun5, how do I go into a bank money pot, if I'm not the owner?`
`03:19.38`	`daww`	`Is there anyone that know where the I'll should add my adressbooks in Evolution (Evolution doesn't find it when I put it in /home/x/.evolution/addressbook/local/1109354169.2279.2%40debian)?`
`03:19.39`	`simmerz`	`stew: thanks`
`03:19.40`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: so what's your project about exactly ?`
`03:19.43`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, I need to umount the chroot directory ?`
`03:19.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, look in http://livecd.debianitas.net`
`03:19.53`	`xun5`	`doub: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=2`
`03:19.56`	`daww`	`Is there anyone that know where the I'll should add my adressbooks in Evolution (Evolution doesn't find it when I put it in /home/x/.evolution/addressbook/local/)?*`
`03:19.57`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: no, just remount it`
`03:20.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`oks`
`03:20.09`	`shingouz`	`!ntfs`
`03:20.10`	`dpkg`	`[ntfs] Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also ...`
`03:20.28`	`shingouz`	`xun5: at least the umask is wrong`
`03:20.36`	`doub`	`xun5: add "0 0" at the end`
`03:21.11`	`shingouz`	`xun5: and whatever you do, do not try to write on the ntfs`
`03:21.32`	`doub`	`shingouz: that won't make it writable`
`03:21.44`	`WiFiTux`	`xun5, make sure you have blank line in the bottom of the file.`
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`03:21.56`	`shingouz`	`doub: i know. i mentioned it just in case he hacks it further`
`03:22.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`root@1[tmp]# mount -o remount,dev [chroot montaje]`
`03:22.07`	`Thanatermesis`	`mount: you must specify the filesystem type`
`03:22.15`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, my command is correct? o_O`
`03:22.27`	`WiFiTux`	`Thanatermesis, what do you want?`
`03:22.35`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: as long as [chroot ...] is a real mount point`
`03:23.02`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: like "mount -o remount,dev /mnt/hda1"`
`03:23.04`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, "montaje" are the directory of the chrooted environment`
`03:23.10`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
`03:23.27`	`WiFiTux`	`montaje? que pendejada es esa?`
`03:23.31`	`Thanatermesis`	`mount -o remount,dev /dev/hda1 /tmp/montaje`
`03:23.33`	`Thanatermesis`	`xDDD`
`03:23.36`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: [] are intended to fit your situation`
`03:23.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`yes, ok`
`03:23.47`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: do not repeat the /dev/ on remount`
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`03:24.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok, good..`
`03:24.03`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh?`
`03:24.21`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, /tmp/montaje don't exist in fstab, Im not include /dev ?`
`03:24.27`	`xun5`	`well, when i try as a root its fine, when i try as a user, it says permission denied`
`03:24.29`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: it's useless at best, and may mount it twice, don't really know`
`03:24.45`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: if it's already mounted, it's useless`
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`03:25.05`	`shingouz`	`xun5: the umask is wrong there`
`03:25.13`	`tga`	`do ipv6 hosts go in /etc/hosts or someplace else?`
`03:25.16`	`doub`	`xun5: add ",user" after "umask..."`
`03:25.36`	`doub`	`xun5: but with this setup, it's mounted from bootup to shutdown anyway`
`03:26.01`	`doub`	`xun5: if you want it to be mounted only when you want, add "noauto"`
`03:26.06`	`doub`	`xun5: man mount for details`
`03:26.37`	`xun5`	`so i have to reboot?`
`03:26.54`	`Thanatermesis`	`humm.. doub I need to umount first? the system speak's "device ocupped"`
`03:27.00`	`WiFiTux`	`xun5, anyway, whenever you boot, it will mount everything alone, so why would you have that in fstab?`
`03:27.02`	`doub`	`xun5: mount -a -o remount would do`
`03:27.04`	`emRick`	`is there a podcast "receiver" package for Debian?`
`03:27.15`	`xun5`	`WiFiTux yes`
`03:27.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`tga: they can go there, yes`
`03:27.48`	`xun5`	`doub: i added ,user after umask and nada :(`
`03:28.02`	`WiFiTux`	`xun5, I don't get it. su put the password, mount -a exit and done!`
`03:28.12`	`doub`	`so your option columns is "umask=2,user" ?`
`03:28.20`	`Thanatermesis`	`xun5, umount -a && mount -a`
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`03:28.37`	`xun5`	`doub exactly`
`03:29.28`	`doub`	`xun5: maybe something special applies to ntfs, although i doubt it`
`03:29.31`	`doub`	`xun5: see man mount`
`03:29.51`	`doub`	`xun5: and check you unmounted before trying as user`
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`03:29.59`	`WiFiTux`	`ohh you are talking about ntfs?`
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`03:30.13`	`mohohaha`	`ntfs rules`
`03:30.14`	`WiFiTux`	`only root can touch ntfs. Whatever you od.`
`03:30.18`	`shingouz`	`!tell xun5 about ntfs`
`03:30.27`	`shingouz`	`bah`
`03:30.28`	`WiFiTux`	`mohohaha, you are on crack.`
`03:30.43`	`WiFiTux`	`s/od/are`
`03:30.52`	`shingouz`	`WiFiTux: even non-root can read ntfs. ask dpkg about ntfs`
`03:30.52`	`mohohaha`	`at least ntfs don't need periodic fsck`
`03:31.09`	`Thanatermesis`	`ok... Im reboot (no posible umount)`
`03:31.18`	`shingouz`	`mohohaha: no, it needs a periodic bsod`
`03:31.20`	`WiFiTux`	`shingouz, you cannot mount ntfs as any user. Only root.`
`03:31.23`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, you have looked the screenshots of Elive ?`
`03:31.31`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: not yet`
`03:31.32`	`shingouz`	`WiFiTux: it can be done`
`03:31.35`	`mohohaha`	`what is bsod`
`03:31.42`	`WiFiTux`	`blue screen of deatch`
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`03:31.47`	`shingouz`	`mohohaha: Blue Screen Of Death`
`03:31.50`	`WiFiTux`	`geez death`
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`03:32.01`	`WiFiTux`	`shingouz, ggrr`
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`03:32.06`	`shingouz`	`:)`
`03:32.17`	`shingouz`	`WiFiTux: another fish?`
`03:32.20`	`shingouz`	`;)`
`03:32.33`	`mohohaha`	`i happen to find windows2000 and win xp quite stable, hardly bsod now`
`03:32.46`	`WiFiTux`	`shingouz, I'm looking for the doc, then give me the fish.`
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`03:33.04`	`shingouz`	`mohohaha: i have a bsod screen in my screensaver just to tick of doze users`
`03:33.17`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, Is a liveCD based in Enlightenment, have a diferent look and Im search to include a GOOD instalation in hard disk, the system used in knoppix not are good, is a very "shoddy work", Im test to use an automated debootstrap instalation`
`03:33.21`	`mohohaha`	`haha that's good`
`03:33.23`	`user01`	`my synaptic keeps crashing...`
`03:33.35`	`shingouz`	`mohohaha: i'm serious`
`03:33.38`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, this is the direct screenshots --> http://livecd.debianitas.net/screenshots.html`
`03:33.44`	`user01`	says: (synaptic:14214): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_view_unref_tree_helper: assertion `node != NULL' failed
`03:34.04`	`doub`	`WiFiTux: you can mount ntfs as user, with the "user" option, as with any other fs`
`03:34.08`	`doub`	`WiFiTux: just checked`
`03:34.14`	`mohohaha`	`well, it really depends on user, a good user make good use of operating system`
`03:34.54`	`shingouz`	`mohohaha: well.. if you want to fight virii and bsods and whatnot on a daily basis it is wholly up to you`
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`03:35.08`	`atd`	`could I get some help setting up my IMAP server?`
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`03:35.45`	`WiFiTux`	`doub, hhmmmmmmmm`
`03:35.54`	`mwilson`	`Why do people find "installing" Linux with a live CD so fascinating? Because they don't have to switch their brain on.`
`03:36.07`	`shingouz`	`!win mwilson`
`03:36.08`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, mwilson! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!`
`03:36.09`	`mohohaha`	`as i said, good user make good use of os, a bad user can crash linux too`
`03:36.23`	`doub`	`mwilson: i was looking forward for your comment`
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`03:36.41`	`shingouz`	`point-and-drool install...`
`03:36.42`	`atd`	`would anyone help me out?`
`03:36.52`	`mohohaha`	`atd: it depends which imap server are you setting`
`03:36.52`	`atd`	`I've got IMAP installed`
`03:36.53`	`doub`	`mwilson: i dont quite know what would #debian be without you`
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`03:37.08`	`mwilson`	`My comment?`
`03:37.09`	`atd`	`I'm just not sure how to get it running`
`03:37.15`	`atd`	`well, I ran yum install imap`
`03:37.15`	`mwilson`	`It's the truth, nothing more.`
`03:37.28`	`mwilson`	`atd: Yum is not part of Debian.`
`03:37.35`	`mohohaha`	`what is Yum`
`03:37.38`	`atd`	`I'm sorry`
`03:37.41`	`atd`	`that was on my other box`
`03:37.43`	`shingouz`	`mwilson: i agree with the one about not switching on their brains`
`03:37.51`	`atd`	`anyway, I'm using dovecot`
`03:38.00`	`Thanatermesis`	`doub, Im rebooted the machine, Im not mounted the chroot... this is valid ?`
`03:38.01`	`atd`	`or at least that's the configuration file I have in /etc`
`03:38.01`	`Thanatermesis`	`mount -o remount,dev /dev/hda1 /tmp/montaje`
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`03:38.20`	`mwilson`	`dovecot is pretty much brain-dead to set up... the defaults are sensible and it does auto-detect to find the mail.`
`03:38.24`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: no need to remount, now`
`03:38.25`	`mohohaha`	`dovecot is for dummy`
`03:38.31`	`atd`	`ok`
`03:38.31`	`mohohaha`	`jus tinstall it and run dovecot`
`03:38.32`	`Thanatermesis`	`mmmh`
`03:38.38`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: as, i bet, it's not mounted already`
`03:38.51`	`atd`	`well, I've tried service start dovecot and that's not working`
`03:39.17`	`mwilson`	`atd: Debian doesn't do DeadRat-isms like "service start", either.`
`03:39.24`	`mohohaha`	`how about typing dovecot`
`03:39.26`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: so its the right command except for "remount"`
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`03:39.33`	`shingouz`	`!won't work`
`03:39.33`	`dpkg`	`Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.`
`03:39.38`	`atd`	`sorry for my ignorance`
`03:39.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`mount -o dev /dev/hda1 /tmp/montaje ? doub`
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`03:39.45`	`atd`	`I'm trying to ween myself off the deadrat`
`03:39.52`	`daww`	`About Evolution 2.x: When I copy an old adressbook.db to "/home/x/.evolution/addressbook/local/system/adressbook.db" the contents is not being changed in Evolution, where should I copy the file?`
`03:39.58`	`WiFiTux`	`atd, you are in the ignorance purgatory`
`03:40.23`	`fusibou`	`atd services live in /etc/init.d`
`03:40.23`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: yes`
`03:40.25`	`Thanatermesis`	`oks`
`03:40.37`	`mwilson`	`atd: Since installing the package installed its initscript, and launched it, what makes you think you need to start it by hand?`
`03:41.18`	`atd`	`well, the whole point is I'm trying to run Squirrelmail on my server`
`03:41.27`	`atd`	`and when I try to login - it gives me the following error`
`03:41.27`	`mwilson`	`And?`
`03:41.29`	`atd`	`:`
`03:41.51`	`atd`	`hold on`
`03:41.53`	`atd`	`trying to get there`
`03:41.57`	`shingouz`	`(let's see if the floodprotection kicks in...)`
`03:42.00`	`atd`	`my connection is acting weird today`
`03:42.07`	`atd`	`for me?`
`03:42.17`	`shingouz`	`paste in #flood`
`03:42.21`	`fusibou`	`atd paste in #flood`
`03:42.24`	`atd`	`oh, no`
`03:42.26`	`atd`	`it's just one line`
`03:42.42`	`WiFiTux`	`paste in flood`
`03:42.45`	`WiFiTux`	`:/`
`03:42.46`	`atd`	`well, doing ./dovecot start from /etc/init.d got it working :)`
`03:42.52`	`atd`	`now I've just got my password screwed up`
`03:42.58`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: just looked at the video-shot... you're MacOS addicts, seems like`
`03:43.16`	`shingouz`	`atd: turn it counterclockwise`
`03:43.18`	`Thanatermesis`	`hehehe, I like to use a "good interface" doub ;)`
`03:43.46`	`WiFiTux`	`someone?`
`03:43.50`	`Thanatermesis`	`this method not used a KDE/GNOME and the speed of the liveCD in the X are inmediately`
`03:44.05`	`Thanatermesis`	`is very little cpu/ram usage`
`03:44.31`	`WiFiTux`	`yum`
`03:44.48`	`shingouz`	`....keep the penguins happy...`
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`03:45.11`	`tga`	`what package contains "ip"?`
`03:45.12`	`rend`	`how can I make my own network attached storage?`
`03:45.42`	`tga`	`rend: stick a bunch of drives in a debian machine, install samba and/or nfs`
`03:46.09`	`rend`	`how about if I want to be able to hook up to the box via say fibrechannel?`
`03:46.11`	`mohohaha`	`the same package that contains "tcp"`
`03:46.21`	`tga`	`rend: that's not network attached anymore`
`03:46.24`	`rend`	`or isn't there something called iscsi?`
`03:46.30`	`rend`	`tga: whats it called then?`
`03:46.31`	`tga`	`mohohaha: har har`
`03:46.43`	`tga`	`rend: fibrechannel attached storage? :)`
`03:46.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`Knoppix:/# grub-install /dev/hda`
`03:46.48`	`Thanatermesis`	`Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.`
`03:46.51`	`Thanatermesis`	`arrrrgh !`
`03:46.54`	`WiFiTux`	`rend, what about iscsi?`
`03:47.14`	`rend`	`is iscsi something NAS related?`
`03:47.31`	`WiFiTux`	`Thanatermesis, geez, this is not Knoppish`
`03:47.41`	`rend`	`sorry, I'm new to the NAS stuff..`
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`03:47.45`	`WiFiTux`	`!knoppixsmite Thanatermesis`
`03:47.49`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: what does "/proc/mounts" say about your mount point ?`
`03:49.06`	`ambycrao`	`is there an easy way so send a file to another computer in my network ?`
`03:49.13`	`doub`	`WiFiTux: just follow the story, he's about to install debian, using debootstrap, which happens to be under knoppix`
`03:49.15`	`fusibou`	`ambycrao scp`
`03:49.16`	`tga`	`ambycrao: scp`
`03:49.16`	`shingouz`	`ambycrao: scp`
`03:49.26`	`WiFiTux`	`doub, oh`
`03:49.34`	`tga`	`ambycrao: provided the other machine is running sshd`
`03:49.38`	`ambycrao`	`thank you`
`03:49.39`	`WiFiTux`	`!beer Thanatermesis`
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`03:50.01`	`WiFiTux`	`I want to add a Costarican beer to the list :/`
`03:50.15`	`shingouz`	`speaking of beer, i need some caffeine... <wanders off to brew some tea>`
`03:50.20`	`doub`	`what's La Maudite ?`
`03:50.31`	`WiFiTux`	`I have no idea.`
`03:50.33`	`hail04`	`id prefer beer shingouz :p`
`03:50.35`	`Thanatermesis`	`WiFiTux, not is a knoppix, is a hack of knoppix`
`03:50.39`	`WiFiTux`	`shingouz, CR coffee`
`03:50.44`	`shingouz`	`tea`
`03:51.03`	`hail04`	`although its a bit early in my area to be drinking beer`
`03:51.05`	`doub`	`Thanatermesis: well, get out of chroot again, check if "mount" lists your mount point with "nodev"`
`03:51.05`	que`	`considering i'm using this linux install to run apche with php and mysql`
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`03:51.10`	`hail04`	`anyhew back later`
`03:51.21`	`shingouz`	`hail04: going for a b33r?`
`03:51.30`	`WiFiTux`	`early?`
`03:51.33`	que`	`question: inode size, should it be 4096, 2048, or 1024`
`03:51.39`	`Thanatermesis`	`hummm... (google translator)`
`03:51.41`	`Thanatermesis`	`one sec`
`03:51.42`	que`	`4096 is the default size`
`03:51.44`	`hail04`	`nah gotta take someones box back to them`
`03:51.45`	`WiFiTux`	`It's never early for a beer unless it's 9 AM`
`03:51.54`	`hail04`	`heh`
`03:52.12`	`Thanatermesis`	`oh, ok`
`03:52.28`	`Thanatermesis`	`/dev/hda1 on /tmp/montaje type reiserfs (rw)`
`03:52.40`	`Thanatermesis`	`are good ?`
`03:53.26`	`ambycrao`	`do i need to run sshd server to use scp ? didn't quite undertand the manual`
`03:53.56`	`fusibou`	`ambycrao ssh where going from, ssh where going to`
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`03:54.13`	`fusibou`	`ambycrao sorry sshd where going to`
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`03:54.45`	`ambycrao`	`where going ? it must be running ?`
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`03:55.32`	`fusibou`	`ssh is the client; you use the client on the box you are on`
`03:55.41`	`fusibou`	`sshd is the server; you use the server on the box you are trying to get into`
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`03:56.13`	`fusibou`	`and really, all your boxes should have sshd running as that provides secure means of accessing them`
`03:56.31`	`Sethan0n`	`needing to do a semi-realtime mirror of alot of doco data from one site to another, needing to get the changed dirs/documents from the master to the slave. was looking at rsync, anyone suggest any other ideas?`
`03:56.33`	`WiFiTux`	`fusibou, and if they don't have it? it's even more secure!`
`03:56.37`	`WiFiTux`	`;?`
`03:56.43`	`ambycrao`	`ah, ty`
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`03:57.00`	`fusibou`	`WiFiTux and if we unplug them even better`
`03:57.24`	`WiFiTux`	`fusibou, not yet there. You need to disable wake on lan`
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`03:57.54`	`WiFiTux`	`and to tell your maid/sister/mom/wife not to turn it on because someone called.`
`03:57.58`	`fusibou`	`WiFiTux wake on lan has never caused power to leap out of a socket to an uinplugged box that i have ever seen`
`03:57.59`	`WiFiTux`	`and did social hacking!`
`03:57.59`	`kyughanum`	`hello all`
`03:58.24`	`WiFiTux`	`fusibou, I'm fantasizing (or whatever)`
`03:58.41`	`kyughanum`	`who can tell me how to install smb in DEBIAN`
`03:58.46`	`kyughanum`	`who can tell me how to install smb in DEBIAN?`
`03:59.14`	`fusibou`	`kyughanum apt-get it then edit the config file`
`03:59.16`	`WiFiTux`	`kyughanum, apt-get install smb?`
`03:59.35`	`kyughanum`	`is`
`03:59.47`	`WiFiTux`	`is?`
`03:59.50`	`kyughanum`	`apt-get install smb`
`04:00.06`	`cafuego`	`!lart the dutch consulate`
`04:00.10`	`WiFiTux`	`you figure out!!! apt-cache search balabala`
`04:00.13`	`kyughanum`	`that's right?`
`04:00.37`	`WiFiTux`	`yes yes`
`04:00.46`	`fusibou`	`kyughanum samba actually`
`04:00.50`	`WiFiTux`	`you might want to install swat if you want it too easy...`
`04:00.57`	`fusibou`	`kyughanum not smb`
`04:01.07`	`cafuego`	`smbfs`
`04:01.08`	`WiFiTux`	`wow, spoon feeding`
`04:01.14`	`cafuego`	`and samba`
`04:01.39`	`WiFiTux`	`teach people how to teach themselves!`
`04:02.02`	`WiFiTux`	`kyughanum, look for things like this apt-cache search http server`
`04:02.09`	`WiFiTux`	`if you are looking for an http server`
`04:02.13`	`jbAU`	`WiFiTux, that's not what Microsoft says`
`04:02.24`	`kyughanum`	`ok thanks`
`04:02.26`	`WiFiTux`	`jbAU, that's why M$ sucks.`
`04:02.49`	`WiFiTux`	`kyughanum, welcome. remember that command, apt is sometimes a better friend than google`
`04:02.53`	`jbAU`	`WiFiTux but if you just keep clicking next... everything will work`
`04:02.55`	`jbAU`	`!`
`04:02.56`	`jbAU`	`:)`
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`04:03.39`	`kyughanum`	`ok~~let me have a try`
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`04:04.00`	`WiFiTux`	`jbAU, until an 18 year idiot makes a virus and makes your pc reboot`
`04:04.00`	`ambycrao`	`can i also make folders etc on my other computer (ssh) ? is there any list of command to use ?`
`04:04.21`	`WiFiTux`	`ambycrao, use tab to autocomplete`
`04:04.32`	`WiFiTux`	`and yes, there most be like 1000 commands`
`04:04.54`	`fusibou`	`ambycrao ssh allows you to login to the remote system and use all the regular command line functions`
`04:05.09`	`valdyn_`	`ambycrao: "Display all 3450 possibilities? (y or n)"`
`04:05.16`	`WiFiTux`	`ambycrao, like a remote desktop`
`04:05.30`	`fusibou`	`ambycrao if you are setting up an ssh server, remember to generate your keys (google for ssh and keygen)`
`04:05.47`	`WiFiTux`	`valdyn_, how come you have that much, /me only 1860`
`04:05.58`	`tga`	`can I advertise the same prefix on two interfaces with radvd?`
`04:06.05`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: install more packages :) I have 3698`
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`04:07.05`	`WiFiTux`	`doublehp, geez, you guys are like redhat.`
`04:07.06`	`WiFiTux`	`maybe it takes like 3 minutes booting`
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`04:07.07`	`kyughanum`	`apt-cache search samba say haven't this file`
`04:07.24`	`WiFiTux`	`kyncani, hhmm apt-get update first`
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`04:07.59`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: never in life !!! Debian forever :)`
`04:08.04`	`WiFiTux`	`livew1re, you should be wireless`
`04:08.14`	`fusibou`	`kyughanum i dunno if it's in main contrib or non-free repositories`
`04:08.30`	`WiFiTux`	`doublehp, that's why I moved to debian. RH would take 3 minutes booting, debian 28 seconds :)`
`04:08.40`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: when I boot the light box, it can be 30 to 40s`
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`04:08.52`	`tga`	`WiFiTux: move to Gentoo.. it will take 27s!`
`04:08.53`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: but yes when I ask the heavy conf ... can be 5mn`
`04:09.13`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: all depends on which services you activate ...`
`04:09.16`	`WiFiTux`	`tga, eww yes and install it for a week?: no thanks`
`04:09.27`	`tga`	`anything for the extra second`
`04:09.31`	`doublehp`	`tga: I sware I can make Gentoo last 5mn :)`
`04:09.36`	`WiFiTux`	`doublehp, only NIS takes that long`
`04:09.51`	`tga`	`maybe when the NIS master is down`
`04:10.05`	`WiFiTux`	`haha maybe that's why I uninstalled it`
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`04:10.58`	`valdyn_`	`I think mounting my 8 partitions takes most of the boot time`
`04:11.04`	`tga6`	`mm ipv6`
`04:11.24`	`WiFiTux`	`valdyn_, scsi are not counted`
`04:11.29`	`WiFiTux`	`nor their 25 beeps`
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`04:11.50`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: tga take a laptop with 4200rpm drive, 32M memory, apach2, gnome, psotgresql, nfs samba , lirc smart dhcp hostap hylafax freenet freenet6 ldp snort bind9 ... and you got roughly what I had up to last week :) two cups of cofee at boot time ...`
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`04:12.22`	`WiFiTux`	`doublehp, ha!`
`04:12.46`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: dev laptop ... I always ad stuff and services ... never remove ...`
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`04:12.57`	`WiFiTux`	`eeww`
`04:13.00`	`Dull404`	`Is it possible to remove unused dependencies with apt-get ? .. they tend to be left on my HD when i remove apps`
`04:13.03`	`WiFiTux`	`I always remove the crap.`
`04:13.26`	`doublehp`	`tga try longorm on a 486 32Mo :)`
`04:13.39`	`valdyn_`	`Dull404: short answer: no. Long answer: try debfoster, deborphan.`
`04:13.55`	`doublehp`	`Dull404: apt-get clean`
`04:13.56`	`doublehp`	`for start`
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`04:14.13`	`WiFiTux`	`Dull404, dpkg -L`
`04:14.25`	`WiFiTux`	`remove what you don't want`
`04:14.25`	`doublehp`	`WiFiTux: what for ????`
`04:14.25`	`Dull404`	`valdyn_, aaaw... crap, that sucks`
`04:14.31`	`emRick`	`is there a podcast "receiver" package for Debian?`
`04:14.41`	`_ReDRuM_`	`apt-get portage`
`04:14.44`	`valdyn_`	`Dull404: why? did you read the whole line?`
`04:14.50`	`WiFiTux`	`portage?`
`04:14.52`	`doublehp`	`oups ... I though I was in #c ...`
`04:14.53`	`starfish`	`anyone have an idea where i can find the drivers for an rca lyra mp3 player?`
`04:15.21`	`Dull404`	`valdyn_, well i mean, then i need to apps to remove stuff with`
`04:15.23`	`cafuego`	`Dull404: deborphan and debfoster are useful. Really.`
`04:15.38`	`cafuego`	`Dull404: deborphan \| xargs dpkg --purge`
`04:15.41`	`_ReDRuM_`	`emerge -C debian`
`04:15.54`	`Dull404`	`why is not deborphan built into apt-get? would be convenient....`
`04:15.55`	`cafuego`	`_ReDRuM_: #troll is there -->`
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`04:16.17`	`WiFiTux`	`deborphan?`
`04:16.18`	`valdyn_`	`Dull404: and against the unix philosophy )`
`04:16.21`	`cafuego`	`Dull404: Things like say 'aptitude' may have a built-in version.`
`04:16.25`	`_ReDRuM_`	`ca ??? how do i unemerge apt-get???`
`04:16.27`	`WiFiTux`	`poor app`
`04:16.33`	`cafuego`	`!ops _ReDRuM_ is a troll`
`04:16.34`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: _ReDRuM_ is a troll`
`04:16.40`	`_ReDRuM_`	`rofl`
`04:16.50`	`doublehp`	`_ReDRuM_: immerge ?`
`04:16.52`	`WiFiTux`	`!nickometer _ReDRuM_`
`04:16.52`	`dpkg`	`'_ReDRuM_' is 98.940% lame, wifitux`
`04:16.56`	`WiFiTux`	`jua jua`
`04:17.02`	`Dull404`	`cafuego, ok. since synaptic didnt... first distro i've tried when deps are left behind`
`04:17.07`	`doublehp`	`!nickometer doublehp`
`04:17.45`	`cafuego`	`Dull404: i don't know for sure if it does, but piping deborphan output into dpkg isn't really that hard ;-)`
`04:17.48`	`WiFiTux`	`doublehp, 100%`
`04:17.50`	`_ReDRuM_`	`drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Dec 5 10:49 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ ???? my gentoo has a virus!`
`04:17.57`	`kyughanum`	`when i finish install samba~~how can i start it?`
`04:18.03`	`Dull404`	`WiFiTux, will it work with dpkg?`
`04:18.05`	`cafuego`	`_ReDRuM_: Please just go away.`
`04:18.09`	`_ReDRuM_`	`i love you guys <3`
`04:18.11`	`WiFiTux`	`/etc/init.d`
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`04:18.19`	`emRick`	`starfish: I tried to use rca lyra a year ago and gave up.`
`04:18.22`	`Dull404`	`cafuego, sounds hard.. and im quite new to linux`
`04:18.23`	`valdyn_`	`kyughanum: if you apt-got it, then ist already started`
`04:18.24`	`WiFiTux`	`Dull404, ah??`
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`04:18.54`	`emRick`	`!nickometer emRick`
`04:18.54`	`kyughanum`	`wifitux~~i need to edit /etc/init.d this file?`
`04:18.55`	`cafuego`	`Dull404: Nah, it's easy. Just feed output from app1 into app2 as input. use a '\|'.`
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`04:19.10`	`WiFiTux`	`Dull404, bet thing to do is remember what you installed are remove it`
`04:19.21`	`valdyn_`	`Dull404: you can use the "gui" of deborphan too, just type "deborphan" curses UI iirc. its self explanatory`
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`04:19.26`	`emRick`	`my "nickometer" says I'm 18.000% ... what does that mean?`
`04:19.39`	`WiFiTux`	`kyughanum, no, /etc/init.d/servicename restart or start or stop`
`04:19.40`	`emRick`	`!nickometer _ReDRuM_`
`04:19.40`	`cafuego`	`emRick: Nothing.`
`04:19.45`	`doublehp`	`emRick: I am 0%`
`04:19.47`	`Dull404`	`valdyn_, ok thanks, will try deborphan`
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`04:19.51`	`starfish`	`i have 2 HDs in my PC one linux the other windows-mostly for my fiances games is the any way to get mp3s off the linux drive in windows?`
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`04:19.58`	`emRick`	`!nickometer starfish`
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`04:20.06`	`cafuego`	`starfish: What filesystem does Linux use?`
`04:20.06`	`doublehp`	`emRick: it is your 'lame' level ...`
`04:20.11`	`fusibou`	`starfish samba`
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`04:20.14`	`WiFiTux`	`emRick, that you are an idiot... 18%!!!`
`04:20.17`	`cafuego`	`fusibou: HAHA!`
`04:20.30`	`WiFiTux`	`but could be 18000%`
`04:20.43`	`kyughanum`	`wifitux~is that i need to restart?`
`04:20.45`	`starfish`	`im not sure im a newbie of about a year`
`04:20.54`	`emRick`	`starfish: check out Explore2fs`
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`04:21.12`	`emRick`	`tsk, I'm lame :-(`
`04:21.14`	`cafuego`	`starfish: With ext2/ext3 you can mount the Linux drive in Windows using ext2anywhere (payware) or you can browse and cpy using explore2fs (free).`
`04:21.14`	`WiFiTux`	`kyughanum, that makes you not to restart. Service should be up now, edit /etc/smb/smb.conf then restart the service`
`04:21.34`	`WiFiTux`	`ok,`
`04:21.37`	`WiFiTux`	`!tequilame`
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`04:21.42`	`emRick`	`starfish: I use Explore2fs. is good enough for me.`
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`04:21.48`	`WiFiTux`	`!?!?`
`04:21.50`	`CliffEmAll`	`I would like to install debian on an old Pentium-I era laptop. Problem is, it has a broken floppy drive, a non-bootable optical drive, and network access only through a wireless PCMCIA card. So I am going to mount the drive in another machine to start the install. Can I just get it to a point that the drive will boot to an installer so it happens on the hardware that will run it`
`04:22.00`	`starfish`	`where do i get Explore2fs?`
`04:22.08`	`cafuego`	`starfish: I got a freebie copy of ext2anywhere with a magazine a couple of years ago, works very nicely (most of the time).`
`04:22.11`	`emRick`	`!nickometer WiFiTux`
`04:22.14`	`cafuego`	`starfish: google for explore2fs`
`04:22.21`	`ambycrao`	`can i switch to runlevel 3 whitout using x ?`
`04:22.34`	`cafuego`	`ambycrao: Depends, do you have a keybord and root access?`
`04:22.35`	`starfish`	`is that a windows program?`
`04:22.40`	`cafuego`	`starfish: yep`
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`04:22.57`	`ambycrao`	`yes`
`04:23.12`	`WiFiTux`	`dpkg: say emRick stop playing with me. You dummy!!`
`04:23.13`	`dpkg`	`emRick stop playing with me. You dummy!!`
`04:23.14`	`ambycrao`	`cafuego, yes,`
`04:23.18`	`trainee`	`ambycrao: i ran in to this also... the best answer i got for that was uninstalling your desktop managers`
`04:23.42`	`starfish`	`im gonna check that out if i have more questions ill be back`
`04:23.46`	`cafuego`	`ambycrao: Then yes, you should be able to change runlevels. I'm not certain why you'd want to do that on a debian box, though.`
`04:23.57`	`ambycrao`	`the nvidia driver installation require that x is not running`
`04:23.59`	`emRick`	`WiFiTux: I'm checking out people's lameness. You're at 99.830%`
`04:24.04`	`starfish`	`does it detect the linux drive?`
`04:24.06`	`trainee`	`caguego: arent run levels 3-5 the same on debian?`
`04:24.14`	`cafuego`	`trainee: 2-5, yes.`
`04:24.22`	`cafuego`	`ambycrao: Switching runlevels won't change that.`
`04:24.24`	`WiFiTux`	`emRick, geez, 99.830% smart...`
`04:24.26`	`emRick`	`!nickometer dpkg`
`04:24.35`	`WiFiTux`	`emRick, stop.`
`04:24.41`	`fusibou`	`ambycrao do you run kdm/gdm/xdm?`
`04:24.44`	`ambycrao`	`and runlevel 3 is the lowest level to bring up x, runlevel 1 does not`
`04:24.49`	`trainee`	`cafuego: thats why i was told to uninstall my desktop managers... cause then X didnt start automatically and i was able to boot directly to console`
`04:24.51`	`ambycrao`	`gdm`
`04:24.55`	`cafuego`	`ambycrao: Hit ctrl-alt-F1, login as root, disable xdm/kdm/gdm, install your software, restart the login manager.`
`04:25.08`	`emRick`	`!cafuego`
`04:25.09`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, cafuego is god, or the devil, or available now from http://www.cafuego.net/ and maybe a crackwhore. See also 'cafuego disclaimer', or teh r0x0rxz and Marvin the Paranoid Android, or fairly accused of redirecting careless newbies to #shell. Also a sell-out.`
`04:25.13`	`emRick`	`!nickometer cafuego`
`04:25.26`	`ambycrao`	`cafuego, how can I disable xdm/kdm/gdm`
`04:25.33`	`fusibou`	`cafuego ambycrao why not just go ctl-alt-f1 and do killall <desktop manager> as root`
`04:25.38`	`cafuego`	`trainee: There's no need to uninstall them, you can simply edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager`
`04:25.52`	`abrotman`	`you don't even have to directly edit it!!`
`04:25.53`	`cafuego`	`fusibou: Coz that's not an elegant way.`
`04:25.56`	`trainee`	`cafuego: i always wanted to boot to console though.. thats why i ditched them`
`04:26.10`	`fusibou`	`cafuego it's more elegant than editing files just to install one thing`
`04:26.17`	`cafuego`	`fusibou: Much in the same way samba isn't useful for a dual-boot system with 2 drives.`
`04:26.25`	`fusibou`	`cafuego a joke`
`04:26.40`	`trainee`	`ahh on to hte reason i came in here...`
`04:26.52`	`ambycrao`	`Is sarge running devfs?`
`04:26.53`	`cafuego`	`ambycrao: Mind you, you shouldn't have to stop X to install the debian-packaged nvidia drivers at all.`
`04:26.53`	`CliffEmAll`	`Given that no one had an answer to my specific question, any other ideas for getting debian running on a system with limited input ?`
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`04:27.10`	`maher`	`i find that if an external usb hd goes down/gets unplugged i have problems with the dangling mount point/ps using it - is there a way of making this more robust, or forcibly killing the left over processes?`
`04:27.14`	`fusibou`	`CliffEmAll try it and let us know what happens`
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`04:27.39`	`trainee`	`ive been googling a little bit on my error.... i8253 count too high! resetting..`
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`04:27.49`	`CliffEmAll`	`fusibou: I will, presuming I don't come up with any better ideas by tomorrow afternoon`
`04:27.53`	`ambycrao`	`cafuego, Is devfs a filesystem?`
`04:27.54`	`trainee`	`its been echoing to the console on one of my production boxes`
`04:28.04`	`maher`	`CliffEmAll: install with the drive on a different machine then put it into the first one`
`04:28.20`	`trainee`	`anyone know anything about that error?`
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`04:28.31`	`rob0`	`yeah CliffEmAll that's what I'd do (install on the other machine)`
`04:28.42`	`CliffEmAll`	`maher: Yeah, that is what I am thinking I have to do, but then it isn't going to detect the hardware it will actually be running on.`
`04:28.45`	`abrotman`	`CliffEmAll: define limited input`
`04:28.50`	`cafuego`	`ambycrao: No, it's an abomination.`
`04:29.18`	`CliffEmAll`	`abrotman: no floppy, cannot boot from optical, only network access is PCMCIA wireless card`
`04:29.19`	`rob0`	`actually hotplug will handle most of the PCI hardware, regardless.`
`04:29.20`	`fusibou`	`ambycrao udev has replaced devfs in kernel 2.6. this is a good thing particularly with hal and gnome`
`04:29.21`	`maher`	`CliffEmAll: detect the hardware manually by staring at it`
`04:29.53`	`valdyn`	`hotplug isnt part of the default install, but discover should iirc`
`04:30.06`	`fusibou`	`CliffEmAll if you are using a regular debian kernel, won't it use discover to find all the different hardware when the drive is in the second machine?`
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`04:30.18`	`maher`	`CliffEmAll: you only need to set it up to boot and have network access...`
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`04:30.19`	`abrotman`	`!rube goldberg install`
`04:30.19`	`dpkg`	`"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."`
`04:30.29`	`abrotman`	`CliffEmAll: dpkg has you beat`
`04:30.35`	`CliffEmAll`	`fusibou: I am a man of very limited experience, so I will take your word on it`
`04:30.36`	`fusibou`	`CliffEmAll then load the right modules on its own?`
`04:30.42`	`CliffEmAll`	`abrotman: indeed it does`
`04:30.53`	`trainee`	`cafuego: you ever seen i8253 count too high! resetting.. echoing to the console?`
`04:31.19`	`abrotman`	`fusibou: discover is not part of the kernel . .sit down . .stop thinking .. you're going to hurt yourself or someone you love`
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`04:31.44`	`WiFiTux`	`hahaha`
`04:31.45`	`fusibou`	`abrotman he was talking about an install on a drive and moving the drive over wasn't he`
`04:32.10`	`abrotman`	`CliffEmAll: can it boot from USB?`
`04:32.17`	`abrotman`	`fusibou: use /lastlog .. you tell me`
`04:32.39`	`CliffEmAll`	`abrotman: no USB : machine is circa 1995`
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`04:32.58`	`valdyn`	`CliffEmAll: this is pretty safe to work imo, as long as you plug your laptop drive into your install box as hda`
`04:33.00`	`fusibou`	`abrotman maher suggest it then CliffEmAll agrees that's what he wants to do.`
`04:33.10`	`abrotman`	`CliffEmAll: it's a laptop isn't it ?`
`04:33.16`	`CliffEmAll`	`abrotman: yes`
`04:33.25`	`abrotman`	`fusibou: you're not even speaking english!`
`04:33.46`	`valdyn`	`CliffEmAll: that means you're going to need a adapter cable to even plug it into a desktop`
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`04:33.57`	`abrotman`	`CliffEmAll: unless you can find an adapter to move the 2.5" to a regular IDE cable .. you're SOL afaik .. wait .. what is it running now ?`
`04:33.58`	`CliffEmAll`	`valdyn: yes, I have access to one`
`04:34.04`	`trainee`	`abrotman: install via osmosis?`
`04:34.13`	`CliffEmAll`	`abrotman: see above, and currently running Win95`
`04:34.18`	`abrotman`	`trainee: just use a sifter and a magnet .. drop bits on the platter!!`
`04:34.25`	`trainee`	`hehe`
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`04:34.28`	`fusibou`	`kids these days`
`04:34.35`	`trainee`	`arrange the bits!`
`04:34.57`	`valdyn`	`CliffEmAll: np then, its how I migrate my desktop every time`
`04:35.09`	`CliffEmAll`	`thanks all for the help`
`04:35.22`	`fusibou`	`CliffEmAll you're really being too kind`
`04:35.40`	`OrionBerlin`	`Could someone help me? my problem is, When i play Tuxracer or Tuxcard (SDL Games) then SDL thinks im pressing all the time the Left Arrow key. I cant play SDL Games becouse of this Problem. I got Debian Sarge. Is there a way to fix it?`
`04:35.41`	`CliffEmAll`	`now I just have to do some research on getting X running on a 166Mhz machine`
`04:36.06`	`abrotman`	`CliffEmAll: blackbox/fluxbox/openbox`
`04:36.17`	`abrotman`	`CliffEmAll: how much RAM ?`
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`04:36.32`	`abrotman`	`OrionBerlin: the old circle syndrome eh?`
`04:36.33`	`WiFiTux`	`ok, sleep time.`
`04:36.38`	`WiFiTux`	`night`
`04:36.47`	`CliffEmAll`	`I don't recall, but guessing 32 or maybe 64 if I am lucky`
`04:36.58`	`alex_col`	`holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa`
`04:37.01`	`abrotman`	`very lucky :)`
`04:37.03`	`jmp`	`hi, i have a question about downgrading packages, can i ask?`
`04:37.04`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`04:37.05`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
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`04:37.14`	`OrionBerlin`	`abrotman, mh dont ask me :P i want to play tuxracer arg :P and want to fix it but how`
`04:37.16`	`WiFiTux`	`alex_col, me imagino que sos alejandro de colombia?`
`04:37.17`	`abrotman`	`jmp: /msg dpkg ask`
`04:37.33`	`alex_col`	`no`
`04:37.34`	`abrotman`	`OrionBerlin: make sure your keymap is right ?`
`04:37.43`	`WiFiTux`	`alex_col, del culo?`
`04:37.45`	`OrionBerlin`	`abrotman, its right. Its only in SDL Games`
`04:37.55`	`abrotman`	`OrionBerlin: or pick a different set of controls ?`
`04:38.01`	`trainee`	`i dont want to repeat the question but changes are someone might have missed it.... so ignore this if you already saw it`
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`04:38.09`	`trainee`	`i8253 count too high! resetting.. (anyone have any clue what this is?)`
`04:38.15`	`valdyn`	`OrionBerlin: maybe its your joystick. Do you have one plugged in?`
`04:38.23`	`abrotman`	`trainee: spruious interrupt?`
`04:38.25`	`OrionBerlin`	`abrotman, i did it too, someone said I'll need to upgade the Library of SDL but its already the newest version`
`04:38.29`	`alex_col`	`coma *******`
`04:38.36`	`trainee`	`abrotman: huh`
`04:38.37`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, mh yea playstationc controler i think let me check`
`04:38.38`	`jmp`	`fair enough. question- i installed some packages that broke an audio app, and i'd like to downgrade all the packages i installed to get my old working setup back. is there any way to auto-downgrade a set of packages (like go back to a previous snapshot of all versions), or do i have to do it manually?`
`04:38.39`	`abrotman`	`!es`
`04:38.39`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`04:38.45`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, i have a look if it plugged in`
`04:38.45`	`abrotman`	`trainee: i'm asking you`
`04:39.04`	`abrotman`	`jmp: not automagic .. but snapshot.debian.net ..`
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`04:39.20`	`WiFiTux`	`abrotman, yeah yeah, we are leaving`
`04:39.29`	`valdyn`	`OrionBerlin: some games will autocalibrate it if you move it to each side`
`04:39.33`	`WiFiTux`	`alex_col, bueno cara de culo, nos vemos. :)`
`04:39.38`	`abrotman`	`vaminos!`
`04:39.40`	`abrotman`	`or some crap`
`04:39.44`	`jmp`	`abrot: ahh, the archive. that will help, only it's manual. that would be a good feature for aptitude- a way to say, go back to the packages i had yesterday`
`04:39.46`	`Dull404`	`.....would u guys say that DEB-package manager is better than RPM? heard something called "rpm-hell"`
`04:39.53`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`04:39.53`	`dpkg`	`It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`04:39.56`	`alex_col`	`alguien que escriba en espa�ol`
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`04:40.00`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, i going into Tuxracer and unplugged now the PS2 Controler`
`04:40.09`	`abrotman`	`!tell Dull404 about why debian`
`04:40.17`	`fusibou`	`trainee http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-23.html`
`04:40.19`	`valdyn`	`Dull404: totally unbased answer on a debian channel, naturally apt-get is the best )`
`04:40.26`	`valdyn`	`Dull404: totally unbiased answer on a debian channel, naturally apt-get is the best )`
`04:40.46`	`Dull404`	`valdyn, lol.. hehe i know ;)`
`04:41.27`	`valdyn`	`Dull404: Ive actually used fedora core once, updating was a fucking mess, up2date kept breaking`
`04:41.47`	`abrotman`	`i think even yum is better`
`04:41.50`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, hehe ok thanks it was the`
`04:42.01`	`abrotman`	`that`
`04:42.02`	`trainee`	`abrotman: im sorry bro,... had to go google your question LOL`
`04:42.04`	`Dull404`	`valdyn, but i must say, so far i think pacman is the best package manager.......`
`04:42.06`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, Controler, didnt knew it that it was plugged in :D`
`04:42.10`	`abrotman`	`trainee: what question ?`
`04:42.15`	`valdyn`	`OrionBerlin: analogue joysticks need to be calibrated`
`04:42.15`	`trainee`	`abrotman: suprious interrupt?`
`04:42.21`	`Dull404`	`abrotman, thanks will read :)`
`04:42.23`	`abrotman`	`spurious interrupt`
`04:42.27`	`trainee`	`abrotman: ive never heard that word hehe`
`04:42.30`	`abrotman`	`trainee: that's not the same error ?`
`04:42.35`	`fusibou`	`trainee http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-23.html`
`04:42.36`	`abrotman`	`!dict spurious`
`04:42.42`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, where i can calibrate it, my Playstation 2 Controller is plugged with a Adapter TO USB`
`04:42.48`	`abrotman`	`!spurious interrupt`
`04:42.52`	`abrotman`	`gah`
`04:42.55`	`valdyn`	`OrionBerlin: just wiggle it around in your game might work`
`04:43.05`	`trainee`	`fusibou: ive been reading that... along with others.. say something about possible kernel bugs`
`04:43.05`	`abrotman`	`!spurious 8259a interrupt`
`04:43.05`	`dpkg`	`spurious 8259a interrupt is probably see http://search2.intel.com/corporate/default.aspx?culture=en-US&q=spurious+8259a&x=0&y=0`
`04:43.14`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, ah ok :)`
`04:43.17`	`abrotman`	`trainee: is that your problem?`
`04:43.31`	`abrotman`	`trainee: i couldn't remember the number for the spurious thing .. that's why i suggested it`
`04:43.32`	`jmp`	`what a lively channel. nice to know the debian ppl are alive!`
`04:43.36`	`trainee`	`no the machine appears to be working fine,... but about every 3 minutes i get this serror`
`04:43.50`	`trainee`	`i8253 count too high! resetting..`
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`04:43.55`	`trainee`	`it echos it to the console over and over`
`04:44.02`	`trainee`	`not just the logs... the console`
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`04:44.16`	`abrotman`	`trainee: google has no help?`
`04:44.18`	`trainee`	`everything ive googled says possibly a kernel bug`
`04:44.28`	`abrotman`	`trainee: #kernel ?`
`04:44.30`	`trainee`	`abrotman: but i find it hard to believe its a bug`
`04:44.41`	`trainee`	`abrotman: i could check over there :)`
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`04:44.44`	`Dull404`	`valdyn, yeah tried fedora core 3, but threw it out after 2 days.... still haven't tried suse, heard its good but uses rpm.....`
`04:45.08`	`trainee`	`abrotman: checking over there now :)`
`04:45.14`	`OrionBerlin`	`valdyn, do you know if is bootsplash patch in the normal Debian Kernel now 2.6.8-2-686 if i can use Bootsplash or need i compile a own kernel?`
`04:45.17`	`abrotman`	`trainee: good plan`
`04:45.27`	`abrotman`	`OrionBerlin: afaik .. not in the debian kernel`
`04:45.29`	`deucehaus`	`i have a radeon 9800. do i need to install ati's drivers to get xv mode working in mplayer?`
`04:45.40`	`OrionBerlin`	`abrotman, so i need to compile a own kernel? :S`
`04:45.48`	`abrotman`	`OrionBerlin: i wouldn't .. not worth it`
`04:45.52`	`abrotman`	`not for bootsplash`
`04:46.05`	`OrionBerlin`	`abrotman, i already tryed to compile a own kernel but every time the kernel wont start :(((`
`04:46.10`	`fusibou`	`OrionBerlin: abrotman done it myself; agree not worth it`
`04:46.44`	`OrionBerlin`	`fusibou, hehe but i dnot like the console start when i starting debian a bootsplash would be nice`
`04:46.48`	`abrotman`	`see .. not worth it .. little feature vs not working :)`
`04:47.16`	`fusibou`	`ahh`
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`04:47.29`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin bootsplash is just blingbling`
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`04:47.57`	`OrionBerlin`	`My Problem is only, every time when i compile a kernel. It wont start for some damn reason :(`
`04:48.37`	`daww`	`How can I make "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common" work in sarge?`
`04:48.56`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin maybe if you tried to run one of your own kernels and posted the errors here someone might be able to help`
`04:49.00`	`fusibou`	`OrionBerlin i used to compile kernels a lot; now i just do the lazy thing and enjoy the prepackaged ones.`
`04:49.14`	`johnsu01_`	`I'm getting a slew of errors when trying to make the kernel-source-2.6.10-5 package.`
`04:49.32`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, the problem is, hes not finding my Harddisk when i compiled it`
`04:49.37`	`shingouz_`	`johnsu01_ i hope you are using the make-kpkg`
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`04:50.00`	`dragon-ball`	`hello`
`04:50.03`	`fusibou`	`OrionBerlin sounds like you're not setting root and boot properly with grub or editing the grub conf file properly`
`04:50.09`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin i think you need to put the ide and filesystem you use into the kernel statically`
`04:50.24`	`xk`	`or disable initrd`
`04:50.35`	`johnsu01_`	`shingouz_: Same errors happen with make-kpkg, make menuconfig.`
`04:50.58`	`xk`	`show the errors.`
`04:51.02`	`shingouz_`	`johnsu01_ and do i look a mindreader to you?`
`04:51.04`	`mrclark`	`hi again. having problems with ndiswrapper still -- i've now gone to installing totally from source. everything compiles nicely, the driver loads well, but when i try and modprobe ndiswrapper, it returns FATAL : error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): invalid module format. anybody run across this before?`
`04:51.27`	`xk`	`mrclark: "file /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko"`
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`04:51.44`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, i can explain you how i make the kernel, im downloading it into /usr/src/ and set a system link then to the kernel package /usr/src/linux then ill copy from /boot/ the config.2.6.8-2-686 and loading it in make menoconfig. then ill compile it but it never working :(`
`04:51.44`	`johnsu01_`	`shingouz_: Nope. There are a lot of scripts/basic/fixdep.c: errors.`
`04:51.54`	`xk`	`fucking moron sign off message`
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`04:52.27`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin the debian kernels use initrd and the one you compiled probably is missing it for some reason`
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`04:52.48`	`mrclark`	`xk, alrighty. it's telling me that it is an ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, intel 80386, version 1 (sysv), not stripped.`
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`04:52.56`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, ah`
`04:52.58`	`shingouz_`	`johnsu01_ where did you get the source and did you try to patch it somehow?`
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`04:53.32`	`johnsu01_`	`shingouz_: Source came from apt-get in unstable. I did patch it (one module), but the errors before the patch were identical.`
`04:53.35`	`xk`	`mrclark: hrm... looks ok.`
`04:53.39`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, do you got maybe a good toturial for compiling a kernel in Debian Sarge?`
`04:53.50`	`mrclark`	`xk, that's my thought as well -- which is what concerns me`
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`04:54.04`	`xk`	`mrclark: do you have the kernel source installed?`
`04:54.19`	`johnsu01_`	`It's a new machine where I haven't compiled a kernel before, so I probably have something wrong with the headers..`
`04:54.26`	`xk`	mrclark: "cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/"
`04:54.47`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin uhhh.... yes but all the bookmarks i have are on another computer and i am not going to get up and walk to it at this time anymore. ask me later after i have had a few hours of sleep, ok? :)`
`04:54.59`	`mrclark`	`xk, ok, i'm there.`
`04:55.01`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, mh ok sure :P`
`04:55.07`	`johnsu01_`	`All I really want to do is compile the IrDA module for this x40, with a small patch.`
`04:55.22`	`prahal`	`i found the greatest features i ever encountered ; using zapping background switch it gives me a tv background ! that 's a r0X0r of a fun tool`
`04:55.28`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin google for kernel the debian way, you should find something there`
`04:55.29`	`fusibou`	`OrionBerlin just google kernel debian`
`04:55.33`	`brynjarh`	`What program do I use to find an IP numbers domain name?`
`04:55.43`	`xk`	`mrclark: hm... I haven't dealt with ndiswrapper before so I wouldn't know what's the problem.`
`04:55.55`	`xk`	`brynjarh: /usr/sbin/nslookup`
`04:55.56`	`shingouz_`	`johnsu01_ for such things i think you should use the kernel.org sources`
`04:55.56`	`OrionBerlin`	`fusibou, i had alot there and gone whats written there but!, same result all the time. the kernel wont boot`
`04:56.18`	`shingouz_`	`johnsu01_ you can stilll use the make.kpkg with them`
`04:56.26`	`fusibou`	`OrionBerlin did you do it the "debian way" and edit your menu.lst file for grub?`
`04:56.30`	`starfish`	`hey this explore2fs all i have to do is install it on windows and it will pull up my linux drive?`
`04:56.33`	`johnsu01_`	`shingouz_: Alright, I'll give that a run.`
`04:56.44`	`xk`	`starfish: read only, yes.`
`04:56.53`	`mrclark`	`xk, ok. i think it may be that because i'm using the apt-provided kernel-headers, instead of compiling up a kernel myself, it might have issues. is there a good kernel compile FAQ for sarge? i've not done it in debian before`
`04:56.59`	`starfish`	`ok thanks guys`
`04:57.25`	`xk`	`mrclark: compiling your own kernel is not needed. it should work... so the problem must lie elsewhere.`
`04:57.30`	`xk`	`mrclark: what's the error again?`
`04:57.31`	`shingouz_`	`mrclark you too, google for kernel the debian way`
`04:57.58`	`emRick`	`is there a podcast "receiver" package for Debian?`
`04:57.59`	`OrionBerlin`	`fusibou, yes i do but ever same result he just done find my Harddrive after someminutes of booting the kernel then come a error (hd0.0)`
`04:58.31`	`mrclark`	`xk, it's making bad modules... ergo, it may be that it's kernel related`
`04:58.37`	`shingouz_`	`initrd missing and the ide and filesystem drivers are not statically compiled`
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`04:59.25`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, when im using a debian kernel config, would it not be inplented from alone that ide and filesystem`
`04:59.33`	`shingouz_`	`with initrd the disk drivers and filesystem drivers for the root partition can be modules, otherwise they have to be static`
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`05:00.57`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz_, mh ok i have a try later :P but i bet for 100� or 80$ that it wont work again :D`
`05:01.18`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin hmm... should be but as i said, i havent really goofed with initrd at all. i find it easier to do static for the disk drivers and filesystem for root and go from there`
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`05:02.16`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz_, okey, i will. damn under Debian to compile a kernel its a bit difficult, under other systems i compiled it with no problems :P`
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`05:02.38`	`mlalkaka`	`hi`
`05:02.39`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin once you get the hang of the kpkg you will never look back`
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`05:02.59`	`FiddyCent`	`I recently did a emerge apt-get on my gentoo distribution and am now using apt-get... my question is what the hell is this crappy shit anyway?`
`05:03.10`	`shingouz_`	`you have problems with the configs there, not the actual compilation, OrionBerlin`
`05:03.35`	`shingouz_`	`FiddyCent you run gentoo and ask questions here?`
`05:03.42`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, hehe okey, yea, i think its the configuration. Compile i can the kernel with no problems just not starting`
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`05:04.22`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin as i said. get initrd in there or make the ide and filesystems static and you should be set`
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`05:05.20`	`guorke`	`how can i talk with somebody`
`05:05.21`	`lxuser`	`the fund raizer pie seems to be unchaged for a long time now`
`05:05.33`	`lxuser`	`guorke: no you canr`
`05:05.36`	`lxuser`	`guorke: no you cant`
`05:05.39`	`lxuser`	`no leave`
`05:05.42`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, okey, one more quetion. do i need to deactivate DRM in the kernel for debian?`
`05:05.44`	`lxuser`	`now leave`
`05:05.48`	`shingouz_`	`guorke you don't you just sit here and watch :)`
`05:06.00`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin DRM?`
`05:06.03`	`guorke`	`why ?`
`05:06.24`	`johnsu01_`	`bleh, same errors with the kernel.org sources. Must be a problem with my environment here.`
`05:06.28`	`shingouz_`	`guorke you are talking with several people as it is`
`05:06.42`	`guorke`	`i am new`
`05:06.46`	`FiddyCent`	`well i figure im trying to figure out this inferior apt-get program working on my gentoo dist`
`05:06.49`	`guorke`	`and i come from china`
`05:06.50`	`lxuser`	`mabey if you spiced up the chart to say 60 % mabey more ppl yould donate`
`05:06.51`	`omry_`	`apt-get got two packages (xfce related) which it will keep trying to upgrade to the same version when I run apt-get dist-upgrade. is that a bug in apt-get or in the packages?`
`05:06.55`	`shingouz_`	`guorke we can tell.... ;)`
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`05:07.05`	`guorke`	`thanx`
`05:07.14`	`FiddyCent`	`id never use debian, im gentoo for life, but since I did an emerge apt-get, i thought id try this crap out`
`05:07.16`	`lxuser`	`ppl feel uncoftable to donate for something no one else gives`
`05:07.20`	`help_me`	`hrm... how full the memy has to be in order for applications to start swaping?`
`05:07.24`	`OrionBerlin`	`!drm shingouz_`
`05:07.26`	`shingouz_`	`guorke so you are trying to install or run debian there?`
`05:07.31`	`OrionBerlin`	`!drm`
`05:07.31`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, drm is a cool new video card feature in the 2.4 kernel -- http://precisioninsight.com/dr/drm.html or the Direct Rendering Module, or called Direct Rendering Manager. "an acronym for "Digital Restrictions Management" ", or http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/drm.asp`
`05:07.47`	`guorke`	`sure`
`05:08.09`	`shingouz_`	`OrionBerlin ah. shouldnt matter but it doesmention m$ so it has to be bad for your health i think`
`05:08.19`	`daww`	`Can I get some recommended howto for a Nvidia GeForce 4 driver installation for a custom 2.6 kernel?`
`05:08.29`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge apt-get`
`05:08.32`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge apt-get`
`05:08.35`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge unmerge apt-get`
`05:08.42`	`shingouz_`	`FiddyCent go away, troll`
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`05:08.58`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz, the problem is when i compile the kernel with "make" - "make Install" then come a error that i please deactivate DRM`
`05:08.59`	`FiddyCent`	`what did i do?`
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`05:09.04`	`lxuser`	`guorke: go to ptnet theres lots of pll talking there`
`05:09.04`	`shingouz_`	`!tell daww about nvidia`
`05:09.10`	`help_me`	`hrm... how full the memory has to be in order for applications to start swaping?`
`05:09.17`	`lxuser`	`and all of them very friendly`
`05:09.18`	`OrionBerlin`	`shingouz_, but when i use it over debian the dkpg command to compile the kernel i getting no error O.O`
`05:09.19`	`shingouz_`	`FiddyCent this is not gentoo, this is debian`
`05:09.21`	`FiddyCent`	`all debian people: come join gentoo!!!! WE ARE BETTER`
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`05:09.27`	`FiddyCent`	`join #gentoo`
`05:09.32`	`FiddyCent`	`join #gentoo`
`05:09.35`	`OrionBerlin`	`#gentoo suxx :P`
`05:09.42`	`cg0def`	`does anybody know how to setup spatial view in gnome to open folders in the same window?`
`05:09.43`	`lxuser`	`i ear you`
`05:09.43`	`shingouz_`	`!ops FiddyCent is trolling`
`05:09.44`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: FiddyCent is trolling`
`05:10.29`	`cg0def`	`it used to be in gconf but I can't find it`
`05:10.29`	`FiddyCent`	`trolling?? whats that?`
`05:10.29`	`guorke`	`what ptnet`
`05:10.29`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-get`
`05:10.29`	`guorke`	`and pll?`
`05:10.29`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-get`
`05:10.29`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-getemerge apt-get`
`05:10.29`	`OrionBerlin`	`can someone ban Fiddy?`
`05:10.31`	`lxuser`	`yes`
`05:10.33`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get`
`05:10.35`	`FiddyCent`	`emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get emerge apt-get`
`05:10.45`	`cg0def`	`you fag`
`05:10.47`	`shingouz_`	`just /ignore the fucktard`
`05:11.00`	`lxuser`	`e probably a op`
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`05:11.51`	`shingouz_`	`we need more ops here`
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`05:12.04`	`lxuser`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:12.07`	`lxuser`	`lol`
`05:12.12`	`lxuser`	`even more ?`
`05:12.19`	`lxuser`	`lol`
`05:12.28`	`OrionBerlin`	`mhhh,`
`05:12.30`	`lxuser`	`theres plenty of them`
`05:12.31`	`OrionBerlin`	`im wondering`
`05:12.42`	`OrionBerlin`	`is xorg better for Debian or XFree`
`05:12.49`	`lxuser`	`XFree`
`05:12.57`	`OrionBerlin`	`mh k`
`05:12.58`	`twilit`	`there is no official xorg`
`05:13.01`	`shingouz_`	`xfree is in debian unlike xorg`
`05:13.07`	`help_me`	`hrm... how full the memory has to be in order for applications to start swaping?`
`05:13.11`	`guorke`	`i am watch`
`05:13.15`	`shingouz_`	`damn, my wlan is acting up`
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`05:13.17`	`lxuser`	`XFree is free`
`05:13.24`	`help_me`	`lxuser so ix x.org`
`05:13.37`	`lxuser`	`its free 2 ?`
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`05:14.05`	`OrionBerlin`	`Lets say so, in all Distrubitions where xorg came (Fedora Core, suse linux 9.2) i had problems with Ati Drivers hehe and under xfree not a single bit.`
`05:14.05`	`Biovore`	`no up2date version of X in debian.. :-) unless you call X4.3 up to date?`
`05:14.05`	`lxuser`	`like beer or like speach ?`
`05:14.17`	`guorke`	`who can tell me ..`
`05:14.29`	`guorke`	`in unstable can't find .h`
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`05:14.45`	`broke`	`1;2c1;2c`
`05:14.46`	`broke`	`exit`
`05:14.47`	`lxuser`	`guorke: go die else were`
`05:14.57`	`Biovore`	`there is this thing called an compiler, and a thing called a tarball.. get the tarball for Xorg and compile it, if you want it..`
`05:14.57`	`shingouz_`	`my wlan is too unstable at the moment, i guess it means i should go to bed about now`
`05:15.09`	`guorke`	`what mean`
`05:15.12`	`cg0def`	`Biovore: first of all there is absolutelly no stable new features in xorg that are not in xfree86 and 2nd this is highly customized version of xfree86`
`05:15.23`	`help_me`	`Biovore yes, but the question was is it better then xfree`
`05:15.26`	`Biovore`	`probably true cg0def`
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`05:15.44`	`Biovore`	`I don't thing x.org is better then xfree. there the same dam thing..`
`05:16.05`	`cg0def`	`plus drivers work better in the version of xfree86 that is in apt so really no reason to complain`
`05:16.17`	`lxuser`	`there sould a XFree64`
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`05:16.20`	`guorke`	`i can not find stdin.h`
`05:16.25`	`OrionBerlin`	`I think, xorg is an advanced programmed version of xfree?`
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`05:16.27`	`lxuser`	`there sould be a XFree64`
`05:16.32`	`guorke`	`in /usr/includ`
`05:16.42`	`lxuser`	`guorke: stop talking about drugs`
`05:16.43`	`tvn`	`Debian was first appeared in 1993 ?`
`05:16.46`	`cg0def`	`lxuser: there is one in the amd64 branch`
`05:17.06`	`help_me`	`cg0def not sure about drivers, cause for exmaple my video card memory get detected as 8 for the MOST of the time, and rarely 16 megs, which is the actuall video ram`
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`05:17.13`	`guorke`	`yes`
`05:17.21`	`help_me`	`but, then again, i havne't tried x.org yet`
`05:17.27`	`lxuser`	`is windows using xfree code ?`
`05:17.41`	`BhaalWK`	`Anyone know the best way of compiling a kernel module to use with a debian install CD?`
`05:17.45`	`shingouz_`	`lxuser who knows what doze is using`
`05:17.51`	`cg0def`	`help_me: you have to do more manual configuration in xfree86 than xorg and some setting are missing from the config applications`
`05:18.05`	`lxuser`	`so how can linux enforce its patents`
`05:18.07`	`OrionBerlin`	`did you heared all that the new Version of windows "longhorn" will thief alot from linux souces now?`
`05:18.11`	`cg0def`	`help_me: but the features are all there as far as I know`
`05:18.12`	`lxuser`	`i mean XFree`
`05:18.14`	`lxuser`	`cof`
`05:18.34`	`help_me`	`cg0def yeah, i tried overwriting the acutall value, and it didn't work... :/ well, it would load and everything, but i'd be really crappy`
`05:19.11`	`lxuser`	`the best way to use linux is live`
`05:19.15`	`OrionBerlin`	`Windows Longhorn will be use 20% of a Open Source Software Codes that was written in alot news pages :P`
`05:19.22`	`cg0def`	`help_me: read the comments at the begining of the XF86Config-4 file`
`05:19.47`	`help_me`	`like mouse would be a huge square, and some parts of the windows would be displayed at wrong location`
`05:19.52`	`shingouz_`	`!drxx`
`05:19.52`	`dpkg`	`somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root!`
`05:19.54`	`help_me`	`cg0def yes, thnx i read it.`
`05:20.07`	`mlalkaka`	`i'm having some weird problems. whenever i try to ping any internet website using its dns name, it takes quite a long time to resolve the dns name's ip address; and there is a long lag time between each ping, although the interval is set to 1 second. if i type in the website's ip address directly, removing the need to resolve the dns name, the pings are the right speeds. i tried this on another computer on my network; i pinged the sam`
`05:20.07`	`mlalkaka`	`e website and the pinging worked fine. that is why i am asking this in #debian`
`05:20.11`	`help_me`	`why woudl you refer them to me again?`
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`05:20.13`	`s3itz`	`OrionBerlin, and I can already imagine 20% of that code will be related to the DirectX-based UI hehe`
`05:20.50`	`cg0def`	`OrionBerlin: probably not that would make Longhorn work too good`
`05:20.51`	`OrionBerlin`	`s3itz, haha maybe :P , but there you see, that M$ dont got anymore Ideas what they should implate so they use now Open Source Software Codes`
`05:21.04`	`lxuser`	`DirectX comes from XFree ?`
`05:21.15`	`cg0def`	`lxuser: no`
`05:21.19`	`s3itz`	`that's a weird name too.. I don't even want to verbally say "Open Source Software Codes"`
`05:21.21`	`lxuser`	`opengl`
`05:21.31`	`help_me`	`cg0def and i do not have any problems upgrading it..`
`05:21.33`	`OrionBerlin`	`cg0def, microsoft stated it on a conferece that they will use a bit OpenSource Projects`
`05:21.41`	`help_me`	`cg0def may i ask you why did you refer me to the comments?`
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`05:21.46`	`shingouz_`	`mlalkaka check that your debian box and the other box uses the same dns`
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`05:22.14`	`lxuser`	`i bet microsoft releases longthorne before debian releases sarge`
`05:22.14`	`BhaalWK`	`Anyone know the best way of compiling a kernel module to use with a debian install CD?`
`05:22.15`	`elhim`	`lo`
`05:22.16`	`mlalkaka`	`shingouz, where are the dns ip's listed on my debian box?`
`05:22.22`	`lxuser`	`i bet microsoft releases longthorne before debian releases sarge !`
`05:22.27`	`lxuser`	`lol`
`05:22.29`	`cg0def`	`help_me: you have to update the md5 signiture because it causes problems if you just edit the file and leave it`
`05:22.30`	`shingouz_`	`mlalkaka /etc/resolv.conf`
`05:22.36`	`help_me`	`mlalkaka /etc/resolv.cong`
`05:23.06`	`shingouz_`	`cg0def it doesnt matter unless you want to use the dpkg-reconfigure`
`05:23.07`	`help_me`	`cg0def i did NOT have any problems updagrading, plase quote if i stated otherwise.`
`05:23.28`	`mlalkaka`	`shingouz, what does the line beginning with 'search' mean in that file?`
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`05:23.38`	`elhim`	`how would i go about installing support for a charmap in debian?`
`05:23.44`	`shingouz_`	`mlalkaka man resolv.conf`
`05:23.52`	`lxuser`	`debian is kia step over to ubuntu pls`
`05:23.56`	`elhim`	`i want to see cp1251 to be precise`
`05:24.03`	`lxuser`	`lol`
`05:24.15`	`cg0def`	`well I could never get my computer to play nice without updating the md5 but then again I have to use the ati binary drivers or I get very crapy display`
`05:24.35`	`help_me`	`cg0def i have radeon m6 y6`
`05:24.45`	`lxuser`	`whats the best WM ms look alike ?`
`05:24.57`	`cg0def`	`I have an m11 which get recognized as m10 under xfree :)`
`05:24.58`	`shingouz_`	`cg0def the md5 does not matter in this case, it is just for dpkg`
`05:25.28`	`elhim`	`oh nevermind`
`05:25.35`	`lxuser`	`there only talk about gnome and kde`
`05:25.42`	`s3itz`	`lxuser, just install Windows XP`
`05:25.50`	`s3itz`	`it looks a lot like Windows`
`05:25.54`	`cg0def`	`shingouz_: that may be but in my experience it did matter because the computer was refusing to use the new config ...`
`05:25.59`	`lxuser`	`why too much`
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`05:26.09`	`lxuser`	`way too much`
`05:26.22`	`lxuser`	`im never going back to windows`
`05:26.23`	`help_me`	`so, can someone answer, how full does have ram to be in order to start swapping? because i can never see anything beeing swaped, even if memory is full... Mem: 253852 251144 2708 0 908 17516 that is result of executing free, and 2708 is the acutall free memory...`
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`05:26.42`	`shingouz_`	`cg0def the question still remains, why the hell did you hack the file manually in the first place`
`05:26.51`	`Rucas`	`goddammit lm_sensors just corrupted the serial eeprom on my thinkpad`
`05:27.05`	`Rucas`	`now it will not boot with a mini-pci card in it`
`05:27.05`	`cg0def`	`shingouz_: ati binary drivers? I though I already said that`
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`05:27.47`	`shingouz_`	`Rucas you didnt think of googling or checking www.thinkpad.org (the url might be incorrect, im going by memory now)`
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`05:28.08`	`cg0def`	`help_me: it shouldn't use swap unless it runs out of physical memory or the application requres the use of swap`
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`05:28.25`	`blueshoe`	`when my debian box boots for some reason it doesn't automatically load my network card module... i have to manually "modprobe 3c59x" why is that and how can i have it automatically load the module?`
`05:28.32`	`help_me`	`cg0def do you see how much FREE memory i have?`
`05:28.56`	`cg0def`	`help_me: did you get that readout from top?`
`05:28.59`	`shingouz_`	`blueshoe modconf`
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`05:29.12`	`s3itz`	`inactive applications may get swapped out`
`05:29.12`	`help_me`	cg0def no, from `free`
`05:29.23`	`blueshoe`	`shingouz, thanks!`
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`05:29.28`	`shingouz_`	`nnp`
`05:29.30`	`cg0def`	`help_me: cause top i snot very acurate and it shows the max memory alocated and not the memory currently in use`
`05:29.34`	`kensuke`	`blueshoe, "echo 3c59x >> /etc/modules" :-)`
`05:29.41`	`help_me`	`if you read my question attentivly you would see it`
`05:30.25`	`cg0def`	`well on my computer free and htop show compleatelly different readouts`
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`05:31.03`	`docgnome`	`does anyone have any experiance getting the ATI drivers to work in sarge? I'm having a bit of trouble. I've gotten them installed but when i type fglrxinfo it says i'm using the Mesa Drivers. I suspect i've screwed up a setting in fglrxconfig, but i don't have a clue what the answers are to half the questions are i'm being ask. Where would I figure out such things?`
`05:31.04`	`help_me`	`cg0def on mine they are the same`
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`05:31.41`	`cg0def`	`help_me: I hope you realize that htop and top are different`
`05:31.45`	`OrionBerlin`	`docgnome i can help you`
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`05:32.02`	`blueshoe`	`thanks, kensuke`
`05:32.09`	`cg0def`	`help_me: free and top do show the same result always`
`05:32.14`	`Opiated`	`is there a way to take a screenshot of my X desktop without having to load gimp(which is the only way I know how)`
`05:32.18`	`help_me`	`so waht is htop then?`
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`05:32.37`	`cg0def`	`htop is a an improved version of top in a way`
`05:32.42`	`cg0def`	`I like it better`
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`05:33.05`	`Opiated`	`is it possible to take an SS of the desktop from the commandline?`
`05:33.11`	`timo`	`Opiated, xwd`
`05:33.18`	`cg0def`	`top's memory usage goes up untill it reaches your max memory and then stops (have no clue why)`
`05:33.28`	`cg0def`	`htop works like it should`
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`05:34.30`	`Opiated`	`so the corrent synatc would be " xwd -out ~/ssj.jpg -dislplay :0 " ?`
`05:34.57`	`Opiated`	`i want to take the screnshot of the entire desktop`
`05:35.28`	`timo`	`Opiated, add -root to that`
`05:35.34`	`Opiated`	`ok`
`05:36.01`	`Opiated`	`it does save it in a jpg format`
`05:36.02`	`timo`	`Opiated, and you'll want convert the resulting file to with imagemagick's convert or something. it's not jpg or any other well known format`
`05:36.04`	`mlalkaka`	`shingouz_, i the dns servers are the same for both computers`
`05:36.09`	`Opiated`	`oh`
`05:36.16`	`Opiated`	`how exactly would I go about converting`
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`05:36.41`	`timo`	`Opiated, OR, you could apt-get install scrot`
`05:36.49`	`Opiated`	`scrot?`
`05:36.54`	`Opiated`	`!scrot`
`05:36.57`	`timo`	`SCReen shOT`
`05:37.00`	`Opiated`	`oh`
`05:37.03`	`timo`	`I'm off`
`05:37.03`	`zeeble`	`at linuxbrit.co.uk`
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`05:39.25`	`R0bNyc`	`How do I install a i686 kernel`
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`05:39.47`	`johnsu01_`	`ok, after installing libc-dev (oops!), I'm down to one error in local_lim.h.`
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`05:40.05`	`johnsu01_`	`/usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36:26: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory`
`05:40.14`	`aliasptr`	`R0bNyc, use dselect to search for your kernel image`
`05:40.38`	`mlalkaka`	`shingouz_, any ideas?`
`05:40.42`	`R0bNyc`	`aliasptr, thanks`
`05:41.05`	`aliasptr`	`R0bNyc, yep no problem, if you do run in to problems, let me know`
`05:41.16`	`R0bNyc`	`aliasptr, thanks :)`
`05:41.27`	`johnsu01_`	`limits.h is installed as part of kernel-headers-2.6.10-1.`
`05:41.30`	`mlalkaka`	`shingouz_, i also tried using firefox: if i use the dns name of a website, it takes longer to load the website due to the resolution process; but if i use the ip address, it takes less time`
`05:41.33`	`aliasptr`	`R0bNyc, your welcome`
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`05:43.23`	`gokee2`	`Hey all I am trying to get kde working on debain and its having a problem I can do startx -display :0 to start the display maniger but if I do startkde from there it says /usr/bin/startkde: connot exacute binary file Any help? Thanks! :)`
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`05:44.18`	`gokee2`	`it IS dead in here for having 720 people!`
`05:44.42`	`OrionBerlin`	`gokee2, did you install KDE Base and all?`
`05:44.54`	`gokee2`	`kde base I think so`
`05:45.07`	`gokee2`	`called kdebase ?`
`05:45.16`	`OrionBerlin`	`is the basement of KDE`
`05:45.26`	`aliasptr`	`What's the attic then?`
`05:45.28`	`aliasptr`	`:-P :)`
`05:45.32`	`OrionBerlin`	`mh dont ask me :P`
`05:45.37`	`OrionBerlin`	`im not using KDE`
`05:45.38`	`OrionBerlin`	`removed it`
`05:45.41`	`shingouz_`	`ktop?`
`05:45.55`	`gokee2`	`OOooooo`
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`05:45.58`	`aliasptr`	`I think we'd have to find the most frivilous KDE package, that would be it.`
`05:45.59`	`OrionBerlin`	`Gnome Rulez ^_^`
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`05:46.17`	`aliasptr`	`Command line rules! :-P`
`05:46.23`	`aliasptr`	`(As I use XFCE4)`
`05:46.46`	`aliasptr`	`Screw file browsers until metadata systems get better`
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`05:46.58`	`OrionBerlin`	`i hate it`
`05:47.09`	`OrionBerlin`	`how i make Firefox to my Standard browser? >,<`
`05:47.13`	`aliasptr`	`Apple's "Searchlight" looks interesting to me, I wish something had come of a project called "Gnome Storage"`
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`05:47.19`	`aliasptr`	`OrionBerlin, I just did that one sec let me think`
`05:47.38`	`OrionBerlin`	`aliasptr, i hate it when Epiphany Webbrowser opo up then`
`05:47.40`	`Opiated`	`aliasptr, what version of xfce do you use`
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`05:47.41`	`hlp_me`	`well, it happened again, memory got full, cpu went up to 100% and no swap, and had to reboot`
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`05:48.18`	`hlp_me`	`why the hell swap is being 0 :/`
`05:48.26`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, are you sure you got a swap pointed/mnted ? :P`
`05:48.39`	`shingouz_`	`hlp_me do you have swap in fstab and is it pointed to your actual swap partition`
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`05:48.49`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, I use the packages from os-works running on unstable currently it is 4.2`
`05:48.58`	`Opiated`	`word`
`05:49.05`	`Opiated`	`I recently installed 4.2 as well`
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`05:49.11`	`Opiated`	`and I am in love`
`05:49.12`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, 4.2 has grouped menus which I hate but love...`
`05:49.13`	`Opiated`	`:D`
`05:49.19`	`Opiated`	`ahh yes`
`05:49.20`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, yeah 4.2 is a big improvement`
`05:49.22`	`Opiated`	`i didn't like that either`
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`05:49.32`	`Opiated`	`especially the menu icons`
`05:49.33`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, it's great to save taskbar space but I hate it because it takes so much more time`
`05:49.34`	`Opiated`	`i don't like`
`05:49.37`	`Patad`	`anyone can help me with my bittorrent situation`
`05:49.56`	`aliasptr`	`OrionBerlin, x-www-browser`
`05:50.00`	`shingouz_`	`!ask`
`05:50.00`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people ...`
`05:50.01`	`aliasptr`	`OrionBerlin, that'll give you the choices`
`05:50.07`	`Opiated`	`hey aliasptr would you like to see a screenshot I just took`
`05:50.14`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, um ok`
`05:50.25`	`Opiated`	`http://never.belike.net/pics/ss1.jpg`
`05:50.27`	`gokee2`	`It works!`
`05:50.29`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin yes /dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0`
`05:50.32`	`gokee2`	`Thank you`
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`05:50.50`	`OrionBerlin`	`aliasptr, mh when i type in console: x-www-browser then open Efe`
`05:50.51`	`OrionBerlin`	`:P`
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`05:51.06`	`elhim`	`lo`
`05:51.09`	`elhim`	`again`
`05:51.16`	`aliasptr`	`OrionBerlin, what? then open Efe?`
`05:51.16`	`Opiated`	`high`
`05:51.21`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, cool, simple layout`
`05:51.30`	`Opiated`	`yes, I prefer those`
`05:51.31`	`OrionBerlin`	`aliasptr, then open the gnome standert browser`
`05:51.31`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, I was a big IceWM fan for a long time, I still like it`
`05:51.43`	`Opiated`	`i never got into it much`
`05:51.45`	`Opiated`	`for some reason`
`05:51.47`	`OrionBerlin`	`aliasptr, somewhere must be a option to set browswers or im damn wrong`
`05:51.50`	`hlp_me`	`shingouz_ and out put from fsdisk -l : /dev/hda6 1279 1351 586341 82 Linux swap; fstab says /dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0`
`05:52.03`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, I just like light weight WM but not so light weight as to do NOTHING but window management... you know?`
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`05:52.11`	`aliasptr`	`OrionBerlin, well I don't mess with GNOME`
`05:52.16`	`aliasptr`	`OrionBerlin, sorry`
`05:52.18`	`OrionBerlin`	`aliasptr, ok :P`
`05:52.44`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin does swap has to show up in mount?`
`05:52.51`	`zeeble`	`OrionBerlin: you can use update-alternatives to set your x-www-browser`
`05:52.55`	`Opiated`	`yes, I know`
`05:52.57`	`aliasptr`	`OrionBerlin, That worked for me with XFCE and IceWM but I know GNOME is a good deal more complex and so I don't know how Debian handles GNOME's browser`
`05:52.58`	`Opiated`	`damn openbox`
`05:53.01`	`Opiated`	`hehe`
`05:53.03`	`zeeble`	`OrionBerlin: the symlinks are contained in /etc/alternatives/`
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`05:53.23`	`Opiated`	`I think I might do that as well`
`05:53.24`	`OrionBerlin`	`zeeble, i will have a check`
`05:53.28`	`Opiated`	`make ff my default browser`
`05:53.34`	`elhim`	`how would i go about setting up support for a charset. there's a whole bunch of cyrillic charsets and i wanna see all of them`
`05:53.38`	`zeeble`	`OrionBerlin: you can just change the symlink there, or read the update-alternatives manpage :)`
`05:53.41`	`Opiated`	`i do however use link2 most of the times`
`05:53.48`	`Opiated`	`links2*`
`05:53.51`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin ping...`
`05:53.54`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, mh dont ask me with the swap :P ask someone else who can help you there :) it working here`
`05:54.01`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, I use that when reading tomshardware, their ads eat processor!`
`05:54.12`	`Opiated`	`adblock!`
`05:54.14`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin but does it show up in the mount?`
`05:54.20`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, true`
`05:54.22`	`Opiated`	`and peircieve regex adblock filer list`
`05:54.31`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, never even through of that actually, good suggestion`
`05:54.35`	`Opiated`	`word`
`05:54.42`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, let me have a check i dont think so becouse it cant be mounted`
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`05:55.03`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin thanks a bunch`
`05:55.09`	`perdenab`	`i have debian on a dual-boot system with XP... today i booted debian, and the video is in some weird mode... 640x480, but like a virtual screen... my usual screen is there, but my monitor shows only a magnified subset of it at any one time`
`05:55.14`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, my fastest machine is a Athlon Thunderbird 1.33 GHz next in line is my G4 overclocked to 500Mhz and then a lowly PII 450MHz...`
`05:55.23`	`perdenab`	`boots into windows are fine, but reboots into debian are not fixed`
`05:55.26`	`Opiated`	`let me quickly msg you aliasptr`
`05:55.31`	`perdenab`	`anyone know what causes this?`
`05:55.32`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, ok...`
`05:55.34`	`BhaalWK`	`Where do I find the kernel source thats used for making the Debian Sarge CD images?`
`05:55.39`	`perdenab`	`my XF86config has not changed`
`05:55.50`	`BhaalWK`	`The kernels used in the images ratehr`
`05:55.52`	`BhaalWK`	`rather`
`05:57.28`	`aliasptr`	`perdenab, try hitting conrol-alt-+ on the keypad while in X and see if that changes anything`
`05:57.52`	`perdenab`	`will do, tx... right now i am booted into XP:(`
`05:57.58`	`aliasptr`	`perdenab, I see`
`05:58.04`	`aliasptr`	`perdenab, do you use grub as your boot loader?`
`05:58.10`	`perdenab`	`y`
`05:58.44`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2000/03/msg00196.html`
`05:58.48`	`aliasptr`	`perdenab, than you can also try changing video modes on the console by passing grub the extra kernel option of "vga=0x..." where ... are the Kernel resolution modes`
`05:58.58`	`aliasptr`	`%s/than/then`
`05:59.06`	`aliasptr`	`\/`
`05:59.09`	`aliasptr`	`alkjf`
`05:59.23`	`Opiated`	`somehow that alkjf seems norwegian`
`05:59.24`	`perdenab`	`will try, tho i wonder why that would change, as i did not modify any of the configs`
`05:59.24`	`Opiated`	`:/`
`05:59.29`	`aliasptr`	`so for instance I believe 0x305 is 1024x768 at 16 colors`
`05:59.37`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, no that's me mashing my keys in frustration`
`05:59.41`	`perdenab`	`the machine was moved overseas, and this is the first reboot since`
`05:59.41`	`Opiated`	`lol`
`05:59.45`	`aliasptr`	`perdenab, no idea`
`05:59.51`	`perdenab`	`evil spirits`
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`06:00.01`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, maybe it helps you`
`06:00.07`	`perdenab`	`i will try ctrl-alt-+, tx again`
`06:00.11`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, surprsingly my mashing of keys has very low entropy so it looks very similar time and time again`
`06:00.16`	`aliasptr`	`perdenab, also you can use -`
`06:00.24`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin the thing is it was working before... and the debina is 3.1 sarge...`
`06:00.25`	`aliasptr`	`perdenab, that'll cycle through the different resolutions that are in your X configuration file`
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`06:00.31`	`perdenab`	`kewl`
`06:00.37`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin but did you check if it does show up?`
`06:00.39`	`aliasptr`	`aliasptr, good luck, let know if that works`
`06:00.53`	`Opiated`	`aliasptr, what file manager do you use, if any`
`06:01.06`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, I don't`
`06:01.07`	`Opiated`	`have you tried rox packaged with xfld`
`06:01.14`	`Opiated`	`its pretty sweet`
`06:01.22`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, yeah I did using an XFCE live CD from Oscillations`
`06:01.35`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, try whats written there, maybe your swap is crashed/destroyed reformat it ;)`
`06:02.22`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, Although I do have Konqueror (I always spell that wrong...) so I've used that at times, the idea of ioslaves is very cool, I am a metadata fiend so I enjoy being able to quickly look at the EXIF data on images if any or any other information that's embedded in file types`
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`06:02.56`	`johnsu01_`	`Where should the /usr/include/linux symlink point?`
`06:03.08`	`Opiated`	`true`
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`06:03.23`	`Opiated`	`but since I have only 128mb ram, I don't bother with gnome/kde much`
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`06:03.37`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, haha yeah definitely`
`06:03.42`	`Opiated`	`in fact xchat and xfce and firefox are the only gui apps I use`
`06:03.47`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, it gets ugly- and slow, very fast`
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`06:04.11`	`Opiated`	`but then again, I am brand new to linux anyway`
`06:04.19`	`Opiated`	`been using it only for a couple of months`
`06:04.23`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, cool`
`06:05.00`	`Opiated`	`I don't know what bad or good about most DM's but whatever I know, I know it through experience`
`06:05.07`	`Opiated`	`gnome = slow`
`06:05.11`	`Opiated`	`kde = slower`
`06:05.16`	`Opiated`	`xfce = awesome`
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`06:06.05`	`Opiated`	`now if even if I did have a 1gb ram, I'd still probably use xfce`
`06:06.06`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, yeah, I saw a headline about rewards for reducing bloat in GNOME applications`
`06:06.18`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, yeah, my mac has 1GB of RAM`
`06:06.26`	`zeeble`	`gimme a mac`
`06:06.27`	`Opiated`	`I absolutely love the right click desktop menu`
`06:06.30`	`aliasptr`	`Opiated, but the processor still struggles to keep up`
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`06:06.38`	`zeeble`	`Does your mac have a right click?`
`06:06.46`	`Opiated`	`gnome doesn't have it because it runs nautilus for desktop, and kde has it but it is too damn bloated`
`06:06.53`	`aliasptr`	`zeeble, it's a 500MHz G4 with Radeon 9200, yeah I have a three button mouse`
`06:07.03`	`zeeble`	`aliasptr: you rock then :D`
`06:07.06`	`gokee2`	`How do I set my diplay for startx? eg "startx" would = "startx -display :0"`
`06:07.08`	`hlp_me`	`oh funny`
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`06:07.26`	`Opiated`	`my computer back home at my parents house, the one I didn't bring to school with me, has 1gb ram, 2.8 processor, 9700 radeon`
`06:07.34`	`Opiated`	`that one is running gnome`
`06:07.38`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, works now? :P`
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`06:07.39`	`chealer`	`!tell johnsu01_ about /usr/src/linux`
`06:07.43`	`aliasptr`	`zeeble, haha thanks, I also run dual monitors on it, a 21" and 17", the 21" was free from work :-D, it's at 2048x whatever and then the 17" is at 1600x1200.. mutlitasking heaven...`
`06:07.54`	`hlp_me`	`funny, fdisk displays: /dev/hda6 1279 1351 586341 82 Linux swap; but when i run fdisk -l /dev/hda6 i get: Disk /dev/hda6 doesn't contain a valid partition table`
`06:08.04`	`zeeble`	`aliasptr: lucky. i have a 800mhz puter.`
`06:08.10`	`Opiated`	`http://never.belike.net/pics/desktop.jpg <== i still have the ss from my old box from back home, I was using gnome since I was new to linux at that time`
`06:08.14`	`zeeble`	`but sorta happy with it`
`06:08.24`	`grendal_prime`	`this is the most whacked out thing i have ever seen..windows 98 it will not let me fire up the fkd up browser to save my life...keeps telling me i need to install a modem???`
`06:08.32`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, as i said, your swap partition is crashed/destroyed so format it`
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`06:08.39`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, startx -- :0`
`06:08.48`	`johnsu01_`	`chealer: Thanks, but that wasn't the symlink I was asking about. Anyway, I don't have a symlink there now, which is why I was asking.`
`06:08.51`	`grendal_prime`	`yet i can ping yahoo...google...even other machines on my network`
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`06:09.13`	`grendal_prime`	`but the browser...first time run...keeps taking me to some stupid...wizard thing??`
`06:09.15`	`aliasptr`	`zeeble, I am trying to save up for an AMD64 system`
`06:09.19`	`grendal_prime`	`anyone ever run into this`
`06:09.19`	`johnsu01_`	`chealer: Just grasping at straws for why I'm getting this linux/limits.h error.`
`06:09.21`	`gokee2`	`aliasptr, to forever change it what do I do?`
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`06:09.32`	`aliasptr`	`zeeble, ummm`
`06:09.34`	`docgnome`	`Whoever it was that was trying to help me earlier... I tried your suggestion and it didn't work.`
`06:09.54`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin how would i format it?`
`06:10.01`	`gokee2`	`docgnome, who help you earler? lol`
`06:10.03`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, .xserverrc ?`
`06:10.13`	`gokee2`	`aliasptr, Ok thanks`
`06:10.21`	`gokee2`	`Er where?`
`06:10.23`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, the question mark implies I'm not sure about it :)`
`06:10.27`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, mhhh second`
`06:10.29`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, ~/.xserverc`
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`06:10.39`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, perhaps try the man page or a google search?`
`06:10.45`	`djperegrine`	`I am trying to install wine`
`06:10.47`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin mkswap /dev/hda6 not helping`
`06:10.49`	`gokee2`	`aliasptr, ok..... :(`
`06:10.54`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, sorry`
`06:11.01`	`djperegrine`	`but when I try to install winelib`
`06:11.15`	`djperegrine`	`I would have to uninstall ALOT of programs`
`06:11.21`	`docgnome`	`gokee2: if i couldn't remember i'd say :-P`
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`06:12.18`	`gokee2`	`hmm I can not find .xserverc :(`
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`06:12.28`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, wait a second i will tell you soon :P`
`06:12.36`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, create it in your home directory`
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`06:12.39`	`hlp_me`	`OrionBerlin you want to see output?`
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`06:13.10`	`gokee2`	`aliasptr, ok... Can I set it so that kde comes up in that file too?`
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`06:13.30`	`Opiated`	`well damn`
`06:13.40`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, put that in your ~/.xinitrc file`
`06:13.40`	`Opiated`	`papaya mud client taken out of sarge package list`
`06:13.41`	`OrionBerlin`	`hlp_me, wait a second i will try something :)`
`06:13.56`	`aliasptr`	`gokee2, so just create that and on one lines just put "startkde" or whatever the command is you type at the console`
`06:14.33`	`djperegrine`	`gurg`
`06:14.41`	`djperegrine`	`I must get wine working :P`
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`06:14.59`	`chealer`	`johnsu01_: sorry, I'm too tired`
`06:14.59`	`grendal_prime`	`by the way..the best layout tool for web dev on linux is still mozilla composer`
`06:15.08`	`djperegrine`	`ok`
`06:15.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`grendal_prime: or just an $EDITOR...`
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`06:15.29`	`djperegrine`	`libc6 conflicts with wine.`
`06:15.47`	`hlp_me`	`PrionBerlin, actually fdsik -l /dev/hda6 isn't valid :)`
`06:15.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: which version of Debian is this? which version of libc? which version of wine?`
`06:16.04`	`djperegrine`	`umm`
`06:16.12`	`grendal_prime`	`dondelelcaro, dude...ive been going crazy trying to figer out what the hell the graphic dept did with these pages...made with dreamweaver..`
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`06:16.24`	`gokee2`	`aliasptr, ok`
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`06:16.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`grendal_prime: well, you've already diagnosed problem #1: "dreamweaver"`
`06:16.44`	`johnsu01_`	`The web dev toolbar for firefox is very handy.`
`06:16.45`	`grendal_prime`	`its caos...in any sort of editor....with the exception of mozilla composer`
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`06:16.53`	`grendal_prime`	`ya...no kidding there`
`06:17.13`	`grendal_prime`	`one page...30 nested tables...what a joke`
`06:17.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`grendal_prime: WTF? that stuff needs to be murdered off`
`06:17.28`	`docgnome`	`I'm trying to get the ATI driver's working. Looking at my XFree log I see a message (II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI followed by a couple of error messages. Which finally results in DRI initialization failed! (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)`
`06:17.28`	`simonrvn`	`composer is /not/ the best. mangles codes`
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`06:17.33`	`simonrvn`	`code*`
`06:17.35`	`grendal_prime`	`im working on it`
`06:17.46`	`djperegrine`	`its sarge, and wine 0.0.20031118-1, and I don't know the libc version`
`06:17.48`	`djperegrine`	`let me check`
`06:17.50`	`grendal_prime`	`its alot to do with the.....piot i think`
`06:17.55`	`grendal_prime`	`pilot that is`
`06:18.00`	`docgnome`	`Anyone have any idea where i should try to go from here?`
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`06:18.13`	`dondelelcaro`	`!depends wine`
`06:18.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`!depends wine sarge`
`06:18.19`	`dpkg`	`wine: depends on debconf (>= 1.2.0), libwine (= 0.0.20050211-1), xbase-clients (>= 4.0) \| xcontrib`
`06:18.23`	`dpkg`	`wine: depends on debconf (>= 1.2.0), libwine (= 0.0.20041201-1), xbase-clients (>= 4.0) \| xcontrib`
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`06:18.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`!depends libwine sarge`
`06:18.35`	`dpkg`	`libwine: depends on debconf (>= 1.2.0), freeglut3, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libncurses5 (>= 5.4-1), libsm6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxi6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxmu6 \| xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxv1, xlibmesa-glu \| libglu1, xlibmesa3-gl \| ...`
`06:18.41`	`dondelelcaro`	`!info libc6 sarge`
`06:18.45`	`dpkg`	`libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sarge), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB`
`06:18.46`	`grendal_prime`	`hey im building a winblows machine in the background here..anyone ever had a problem where you cant get past the frigging internet connection wizzard?`
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`06:19.21`	`Gumby`	`grendal_prime: you mean the first time you run explorer?`
`06:19.27`	`grendal_prime`	`ya`
`06:19.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: so as you can see, you should have libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 and a libwine which depends on a version of libc6 which is actually in sarge.`
`06:19.38`	`aliasptr`	`Don't they have a hotfix for that?`
`06:19.39`	`aliasptr`	`haah`
`06:19.41`	`Gumby`	`I forget the exact process, but choose LAN first`
`06:19.47`	`grendal_prime`	`I have tried everthing`
`06:19.49`	`Gumby`	`and then maybe LAN again`
`06:19.58`	`Gumby`	`asuming your LAN card is recognized`
`06:20.02`	`grendal_prime`	`dude..i can ping yahoo from a command promt`
`06:20.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: although, that isn't the right version of wine for sarge AT ALL`
`06:20.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`!info wine sarge`
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`06:20.19`	`dpkg`	`wine: (Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.0.20041201-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1189 kB, Installed size: 2772 kB`
`06:20.21`	`grendal_prime`	`but i cant get the browser to come up.`
`06:20.36`	`djperegrine`	`oh ok`
`06:20.47`	`grendal_prime`	`i swear everytime i try and do anything with a windows machine anymore..it takes all damn day and then doesnt work right anyway`
`06:20.50`	`Gumby`	`you can also open up control panel and goto ...i forget the exact place.... network options or something like that. and choose LAN`
`06:20.50`	`djperegrine`	`so I should download the .dep ?`
`06:20.54`	`simonrvn`	`grendal_prime: best way to fix that: fdisk /dev/hdb; .... "do you want to delete this partition?" (partition being the windoze partition)`
`06:21.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: no, you should apt-get update; then apt-get upgrade; THEN install wine.`
`06:21.17`	`grendal_prime`	`i know..its a flight sim machine though..has to run elite`
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`06:21.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`(possibly with an apt-get dist-upgrade in there)`
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`06:21.34`	`grendal_prime`	`its for my flight instructors school`
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`06:22.11`	`tristezo2k`	`hi, i have a Zaurus here, how can i modify the hotplug scripts to load the usbnet and have usb0 in mi debian sarge?`
`06:22.42`	`djperegrine`	`same error`
`06:22.43`	`simonrvn`	`bleh`
`06:22.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`tristezo2k: hotplug should actually load it automatically. If it's not, you can just add the appropriate modules to /etc/modules`
`06:22.50`	`djperegrine`	`didn't update anything`
`06:23.09`	`jm_`	`tristezo2k: or update usermap files if it can't recognize the device`
`06:23.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: cat /etc/debian_version; and paste the output of apt-cache proxy using the paste bot (or into #flood)`
`06:23.13`	`tristezo2k`	`but i load it by hand "modprobe usbnet" and there´s no usb0 interface :-S`
`06:23.31`	`Xsquared`	`ok, i have a nVidia TNT2 Graphics Card. I am pretty sure i added the module into the kernel (how do i check) when i recompiled it. How do i go about installing the driver for it.. so i can get OpenGL?`
`06:23.40`	`djperegrine`	`its just 3.1`
`06:23.43`	`djperegrine`	`it says 3.1`
`06:23.46`	`blizah`	`im running ubuntu (nobody in the channel know the anwer) how would i get it to it to see my windows filesystem which is on a SATA RAID`
`06:24.01`	`djperegrine`	`oh`
`06:24.02`	`blizah`	`ive got it setup so where it should see it in the /media/windows folder`
`06:24.18`	`blizah`	`but anything else i need to do for the SATA/RAID part?`
`06:24.35`	`dondelelcaro`	`blizah: what type of sata/raid is this?`
`06:24.37`	`djperegrine`	`eno: Invalid operation proxy`
`06:24.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`blizah: you'll need to load the right driver for your sata card, and hope that it supports whatever software raid the card is using.`
`06:25.04`	`blizah`	`its just installed on the mobo`
`06:25.09`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: rr... apt-cache policy`
`06:25.11`	`docgnome`	`I'm trying to install the ATI drivers in sarge, trying to get OpenGL working. My problem is that DRI initialization fails. I have no idea why and am not very knowledgable about such things. Help would be apreciated.`
`06:25.16`	`blizah`	`sata drives...`
`06:25.19`	`blizah`	`hard drives...`
`06:25.29`	`johnsu01_`	`Man, I'm stumped. linux/limits.h: No such file or directory. But, limits.h is there.`
`06:25.39`	`jm_`	`docgnome: read Installing ATI drivers in Debian howto`
`06:25.42`	`dondelelcaro`	`johnsu01_: have you installed linux-kernel-headers?`
`06:25.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`blizah: are you actually using the raid part? or just using them as harddrives?`
`06:25.50`	`johnsu01_`	`dondelelcaro: Yep.`
`06:25.57`	`grendal_prime`	`i just want the thing done and gone`
`06:25.59`	`tristezo2k`	`johnsu01_: warning maybe you are including /usr/include/linux`
`06:26.07`	`tristezo2k`	`instead /usr/loca/src/linux/linux`
`06:26.13`	`djperegrine`	`Its in flood`
`06:26.25`	`johnsu01_`	`tristezo2k: There isn't a /usr/include/linux.`
`06:26.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages`
`06:26.33`	`blizah`	`got two SATA hard drives installed in the raid part of my motherboard...windows is loaded on the two raided hard drives and i have ubuntu running on a separate ide drive`
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`06:26.39`	`tristezo2k`	`well, something like that :P`
`06:26.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: you see that? That means you're running stable. There's no way you could have a /etc/debian_version of 3.1 with that sources.list.`
`06:27.06`	`tristezo2k`	`/usr/include/limits.h`
`06:27.12`	`docgnome`	`jm_: where's the howto?`
`06:27.14`	`blizah`	`tring to get ubuntu to see the windows filesystem`
`06:27.20`	`johnsu01_`	`tristezo2k: Yes, that file exists.`
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`06:27.31`	`tristezo2k`	`/usr/src/linux/include/linux/limits.h`
`06:27.37`	`dondelelcaro`	`blizah: again you've got to find the approriate driver to see the software raid. One may not exist.`
`06:27.43`	`blizah`	`ah ok`
`06:27.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`tristezo2k: it should be /usr/include/linux/limits.h`
`06:27.51`	`blizah`	`tnx`
`06:27.55`	`djperegrine`	`um ok`
`06:27.58`	`tristezo2k`	`in the compile line -I is including witch path?`
`06:28.01`	`djperegrine`	`so what do I do exactly?`
`06:28.04`	`Tarential`	`Anyone here free for a moment and have experience with mozilla-firefox java runtime? I need help but I don't want to take up the main chat.`
`06:28.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`djperegrine: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list; and change all mentions stable to sarge; then apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade;; then install wine.`
`06:28.31`	`djperegrine`	`ok sweet`
`06:28.43`	`johnsu01_`	`dondelelcaro: I don't have a /usr/include/linux link. Should I?`
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`06:28.55`	`dondelelcaro`	`johnsu01_: it's not a link. It's an actually directory.`
`06:29.10`	`dondelelcaro`	`johnsu01_: you would have it if you actually had linux-kernel-headers installed, which you apparently don't.`
`06:29.12`	`tristezo2k`	`johnsu01_: mmm have a look at the makefile...`
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`06:29.17`	`tristezo2k`	`which path does it includes?`
`06:29.23`	`maher`	`Tarential: do you have a java package installed?`
`06:29.27`	`Tarential`	`yes`
`06:29.27`	`hlp_me`	`dondelelcaro isn't sarge is "testing" ?`
`06:29.31`	`tristezo2k`	`look at gcc -I`
`06:29.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`hlp_me: yes.`
`06:29.36`	`Tarential`	`I downloaded the rpm from sun and used alien on it`
`06:29.41`	`johnsu01_`	`dondelelcaro: linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version.`
`06:29.42`	`Tarential`	`then installed the .deb with dpkg -i`
`06:29.48`	`jm_`	`docgnome: use google or "/msg dpkg flavio"`
`06:29.52`	`dondelelcaro`	`johnsu01_: reinstall it then, since it doesn't seem to be there.`
`06:30.01`	`johnsu01_`	`dondelelcaro: Indeed.`
`06:30.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`Tarential: that probably won't work. /msg dpkg sid mozilla java`
`06:30.28`	`docgnome`	`jm_: Oh. That. I've read that. several times.`
`06:30.55`	`maher`	`Tarential: you need to make a symlink /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/javaplugin_oji.so -> wherever your plugin ended up`
`06:31.02`	`tristezo2k`	`I´ll say this insted... why could it be that usbnet doesn´t take the usb link?`
`06:31.03`	`jm_`	`docgnome: well that should be enough for you`
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`06:31.28`	`johnsu01_`	`dondelelcaro: I have no idea how that happened, but thanks for steering me there.`
`06:31.28`	`docgnome`	`jm_: considering i'm having problems its obviously not.`
`06:31.36`	`Tarential`	`maher: I created that symlink. I'm currently reading the info dpkg gave me and if I can't figure it out from there I'll come back here`
`06:31.38`	`Tarential`	`thanks guys`
`06:31.45`	`djperegrine`	`hah`
`06:31.52`	`maher`	`Tarential: if you're on testing/unstable you're better off using the deb's made by java-package`
`06:31.53`	`jm_`	`docgnome: I guess not then`
`06:31.56`	`djperegrine`	`upgrading might take a while :P`
`06:31.59`	`Tarential`	`oh?`
`06:32.02`	`Tarential`	`I am`
`06:32.03`	`Tarential`	`I'm on sarge`
`06:32.17`	`maher`	`Tarential: install java-package and use it`
`06:32.24`	`Tarential`	`I'll give that a try, thanks`
`06:33.43`	`mwilson`	`hm`
`06:33.47`	`hlp_me`	`what would be a good way to test if swap partition works?`
`06:34.17`	`mwilson`	`Why would you need to "test" it?`
`06:34.45`	`maher`	`hlp_me: use it as swap and see if your machine works?`
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`06:35.26`	`Mortal`	`hi , is top the best way to work out how much ram a process is useing?`
`06:36.00`	`tristezo2k`	`talking of usbnet does enybody knows what means "kernel: usb 1-2: ep0 maxpacket = 16" ?`
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`06:36.10`	`Xsquared`	`how risky is it to install a graphics driver?`
`06:36.16`	`hlp_me`	`mwilson because , i had full memory and 100% cpu utilization. and no reposnse after the memory got filled up, so i reformated it ,and now need to see if it works properly as it is supposed to...`
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`06:36.56`	`tristezo2k`	`ay dio...`
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`06:38.01`	`hlp_me`	`maher could you provide a little more detail?`
`06:38.09`	`simonrvn`	`what an idiot`
`06:38.46`	`maher`	`hlp_me: do something that causes swap to be used and see if your machine works`
`06:39.04`	`BhaalWK`	`Ive just mounted a debian sarge iso via loopback, how do I make it writeable?`
`06:39.37`	`mwilson`	`You don't.`
`06:39.45`	`mwilson`	`Wasn't that easy?`
`06:39.51`	`dondelelcaro`	`BhaalWK: you use cp -a; and then remake the iso.`
`06:40.11`	`guoker`	`idiot mean someone foolish :(`
`06:40.12`	`dondelelcaro`	`(or you use growisofs)`
`06:40.30`	`OrionBerlin`	`maher, i said him to format the swap again, sometimes it crash/destroy itself :P`
`06:40.31`	`hlp_me`	`maher yeah, that is was exactly my question.`
`06:40.41`	`BhaalWK`	`dondelelcaro: And how do I make the new iso?`
`06:40.48`	`dondelelcaro`	`BhaalWK: with mkisofs`
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`06:41.02`	`BhaalWK`	`dondelelcaro: And this will make it bootable?`
`06:41.05`	`maher`	`hlp_me: swap doesn't can any persistent info afaik`
`06:41.11`	`dondelelcaro`	`BhaalWK: if you use less on the iso, you'll find the actual mkisofs string used.`
`06:41.17`	`maher`	`s/can/contain/`
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`06:41.44`	`hlp_me`	`maher yeah, so the question is. what should i do :)`
`06:41.50`	`guoker`	`you can with mkhybrid make a new iso`
`06:41.56`	`maher`	`hlp_me: have you rebooted?`
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`06:42.20`	`hlp_me`	`maher no, but i did swapon`
`06:42.47`	`maher`	`hlp_me: you said your machine locked up - did you have to reboot it then?`
`06:42.57`	`BhaalWK`	`dondelelcaro: So the iso will be bootable afterwards?`
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`06:43.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`BhaalWK: if you use the correct mkisofs line, yes.`
`06:43.27`	`BhaalWK`	`erm, ok`
`06:43.31`	`hlp_me`	`maher yes`
`06:43.42`	`maher`	`hlp_me: and you've turned swap on now?`
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`06:44.17`	`hlp_me`	`maher i did swapoff -a before formating swap, after i finshed formating i turned it back on.`
`06:44.17`	`mwilson`	`hm, did that work?`
`06:44.29`	`maher`	`hlp_me: and swap seems to be used in top?`
`06:44.30`	`mwilson`	`fsck`
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`06:45.23`	`hlp_me`	`maher no, it appears as 0, even if ram is nearly 100% full`
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`06:46.37`	`maher`	`hlp_me: try swapon -s`
`06:46.47`	`bob2`	`nemo: got a sec for a GW-related question?`
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`06:47.46`	`mwilson`	`better`
`06:47.51`	`hlp_me`	`maher that would list swap partitions... before i formeated it used to have priority -1 now it has priority -2 for whatever reason`
`06:48.20`	`maher`	`hlp_me: well if it shows up it probably means its working`
`06:48.28`	`nemo`	`bob2: briefly, maybe :)`
`06:48.40`	`nemo`	`bob2: depends opn the question :)`
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`06:49.06`	`mwilson`	`And did it remember...`
`06:49.09`	`hlp_me`	`maher it was showgin up when i was having troubles too`
`06:49.11`	`mwilson`	`Ah, it did`
`06:49.14`	`bob2`	`nemo: oh, I'm blind, found it (was looking for colocation prices, but it;s cleveryly hidden behind "other services" ;)`
`06:49.25`	`bob2`	`also, I'm incapable of typing`
`06:49.34`	`deadcat`	`dont know why, i am running sid for a LONG time but when i apt-setup it uses testing.`
`06:49.37`	`hlp_me`	`actually, looks like swap being utilized after i formated it`
`06:49.37`	`maher`	`hlp_me: well i dunno - use up enough ram to force swap to be used and see what happens`
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`06:49.45`	`hlp_me`	`free reports now`
`06:49.52`	`nemo`	`bob2: no problem. the other answer was "all your money" anyway :)`
`06:50.04`	`bob2`	`nemo: haha`
`06:50.12`	`hlp_me`	`thanks a lot to the people who helped me :)`
`06:50.18`	`bob2`	`nemo: $220/month is pretty close, anyway :P`
`06:50.27`	`nemo`	`heh`
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`06:51.58`	`guoker`	`what about rhel4?`
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`06:52.56`	`konrad`	`is there anybody who can tell me where to go with my kernel problems?`
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`06:53.30`	`trainee`	`#kernel... but im over there and no ones awake`
`06:53.33`	`bob2`	`you haven't asked a question yet, afaict`
`06:53.46`	`deadcat`	`dont know why, i am running sid for a LONG time but when i apt-setup it uses testing.`
`06:54.58`	`konrad`	`deadcat: I thought there were no differences between SID and testing. Aren't they just synonyms`
`06:55.08`	`Guerin`	`konrad: bzzzzzt, you lose`
`06:55.09`	`deadcat`	`konrad: sid is unstable`
`06:55.12`	`simonrvn`	`konrad: no`
`06:55.29`	`simonrvn`	`and sid isn't a freaking acronym, so stop spelling it as such`
`06:55.34`	`konrad`	`ok, so here everybody IS awake :)`
`06:55.41`	`Guerin`	`hah`
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`06:56.10`	`jm_`	`simonrvn: maybe it means simonrvn in despair ;)`
`06:56.16`	`dondelelcaro`	`simonrvn: it's a backcronym`
`06:56.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`(unofficial, of course)`
`06:56.37`	`simonrvn`	`it's was a joke taken too far`
`06:56.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`hey, all jokes have been taken too far`
`06:56.51`	`deadcat`	`my problem... (=`
`06:57.07`	`Gumby`	`SID - Sid Isnt D'testing`
`06:57.19`	`deadcat`	`Gumby: you're a moron`
`06:57.21`	`simonrvn`	`dondelelcaro: :)`
`06:57.38`	`Gumby`	`deadcat: yeah, so?`
`06:57.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`still incompatibly detestable`
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`06:58.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`snatching inexeperienced debianites`
`06:58.28`	`Guerin`	`heh`
`06:58.32`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
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`06:59.40`	`fbtab`	`hi all`
`06:59.41`	`konrad`	`back to my kernel problem (I solved it in the past but fragged my hdd.) I remember it has something to do with my .config and not with a correct boot option as said when booting: "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" Is there anybody willing to have a look at my .config?`
`07:00.09`	`jm_`	`probably initrd shit`
`07:00.15`	`maher`	`konrad: why don't you use a stock kernel`
`07:00.32`	`bob2`	`using a Debian kernel is way easier`
`07:00.37`	`konrad`	`maher: need to adjust some specific options`
`07:00.49`	`bob2`	`if you insist on using a custom one, compile your root filesystem and IDE controller module in the kernel`
`07:00.52`	`bob2`	`if you think they are, check again`
`07:00.56`	`konrad`	`bob2: come on it's fun`
`07:00.58`	`bob2`	`konrad: e.g.?`
`07:01.04`	`maher`	`konrad: why don't you copy a stock .config`
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`07:01.37`	`konrad`	`maher: Ok, where do I get one?`
`07:01.37`	`deadcat`	`you guys dont have problem with apt-setup?`
`07:01.45`	`konrad`	`deadcat: no`
`07:01.46`	`BrianAnthony`	`how can I check to see if a module is loading`
`07:01.48`	`Guerin`	`building kernels is fun like trying to run your car on cooking oil is fun`
`07:01.55`	`BrianAnthony`	`I need to see if the module agpart is loading`
`07:02.13`	`Guerin`	`the only difference is that a fucked kernel is not guaranteed to break your engine`
`07:02.21`	`bob2`	`BrianAnthony: lsmod`
`07:02.30`	`bob2`	`deadcat: doubt anyone uses it after installation`
`07:02.48`	`tristezo2k`	`BrianAnthony: use lsmod`
`07:02.53`	`deadcat`	`bob2: i dont use it either. but i ran it today and it kept using testing.`
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`07:03.07`	`tristezo2k`	`BrianAnthony: lsmod\|grep "module"`
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`07:03.28`	`bob2`	`deadcat: it defaults to it to stop people "accidentally" using sid`
`07:03.38`	`deadcat`	`arg`
`07:03.47`	`bob2`	`iirc`
`07:03.57`	`deadcat`	`thats cool i guess`
`07:04.03`	`konrad`	`maher: do you have an idea where to get stock .configs?`
`07:04.15`	`bob2`	`konrad: /boot`
`07:04.28`	`benjamindees`	`"Gentoo likes to call itself a meta-distribution. Debian likes to pretend it's not a meta-distribution."`
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`07:04.37`	`warwon`	`Hello!`
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`07:04.52`	`warwon`	`I got a little bit of trouble I thought you guys wouldn't mind giving me a hand`
`07:04.54`	`Guerin`	`benjamindees: wtf is meta about either distro?`
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`07:05.30`	`konrad`	`bob2: I wrote a program that took every option that appeared in the old (working) and new .config and adjusted the newer ones with the old ones.`
`07:05.33`	`warwon`	`Whenever I run OpenGL Applications, such as Games, and even GLXgears after a few mins the app will crash, and I have to cold boot the machine, I've tried formating the swap file again?`
`07:05.39`	`benjamindees`	`Guerin, I'm not sure I know what a "meta distribution" is, but I thought it was interesting...`
`07:05.49`	`bob2`	`konrad: is it called "make oldconfig"?`
`07:06.02`	`bob2`	`warwon: are you using the nvidia drivers?`
`07:06.06`	`warwon`	`ATI`
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`07:06.07`	`benjamindees`	`Guerin, Debian does at least have spin-offs, which most don't`
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`07:06.33`	`kenboo`	`is libapache-mod-ssl a correct package for apache2?`
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`07:06.41`	`BrianAnthony`	`is anyone in here knowledgeable with fglrx?`
`07:06.42`	`konrad`	`bob2: no, but I haven't heard of "oldconfig" till now. What does it do?`
`07:06.43`	`Guerin`	`most distros of comparable size to debian DO have spinoffs`
`07:06.48`	`Tarential`	`ok, I installed java-package following the directions on this site http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php and the plugin still won't work. I changed the permissions to 777 all around just to make sure that wasn't a problem, and it still doesn't work...`
`07:07.01`	`Tarential`	`so I'm still without firefox java plugin`
`07:07.05`	`bob2`	`konrad: no`
`07:07.11`	`Guerin`	`err, by 'comparable size' I mean 'within an order of magnitude'`
`07:07.20`	`benjamindees`	`Guerin, heh, of course :)`
`07:07.21`	`bob2`	`kenboo: no`
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`07:07.33`	`konrad`	`bob2: what does that mean "no"`
`07:07.35`	`warwon`	`yes I have the ATI drivers install and confiured, the Xfree86-4 file is also fine, I think`
`07:07.40`	`bob2`	`kenboo: it's built in`
`07:07.41`	`benjamindees`	`Guerin, not Gentoo though afaik`
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`07:07.46`	`kenboo`	`bob2 REALLY!`
`07:07.50`	`bob2`	`konrad: it means your nick is too similar to kenboo's`
`07:07.57`	`bob2`	`konrad: it updates a .config to a new one`
`07:08.00`	`bob2`	`new version`
`07:08.02`	`bob2`	`this is in the README`
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`07:08.25`	`Guerin`	`ok, thus ends my internet time for another week`
`07:08.34`	`bob2`	`have fun`
`07:08.37`	`konrad`	`bob2: fuck! why is everybody so unmotivated and anorak today? All pain, no gain, or what?`
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`07:08.50`	`bob2`	`konrad: ?`
`07:08.52`	`Guerin`	`anorak is an adjective?`
`07:09.04`	`Guerin`	`you sound like one of my students`
`07:09.21`	`konrad`	`no it isn't i suppose`
`07:09.32`	`bob2`	`I'm not even sure what it would mean if it was a verb`
`07:09.45`	`bob2`	`perhaps "to convert something to a thing sheet you can wrap around yourself"?`
`07:09.53`	`dondelelcaro`	`bob2: that's not even right`
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`07:09.59`	`maher`	`Tarential: does it show up in about:plugins`
`07:10.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`bob2: since an anorak is a heavy jacket, not a afgahn`
`07:10.11`	`bob2`	`dondelelcaro: not here it isn't`
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`07:10.40`	`konrad`	`an anorak is not nice. and as a noun to describe people it means the same`
`07:10.45`	`dondelelcaro`	`bob2: eh, you people have bastardized the English language`
`07:10.52`	`Tarential`	`maher: yes it does`
`07:11.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`(not that I can say much about en_US either... ;-))`
`07:11.05`	`bob2`	`konrad: is that german slang?`
`07:11.08`	`bob2`	`dondelelcaro: hah`
`07:11.28`	`maher`	`Tarential: what doesn't work about it/`
`07:11.43`	`konrad`	`bob2: why?`
`07:11.49`	`Tarential`	`nothing shows up on the screen :)`
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`07:11.59`	`Tarential`	`a big blank spot where the applet should be`
`07:12.15`	`bob2`	`konrad: just curious`
`07:12.42`	`ambycrao`	`i downloaded eggdrop from apt, in the manual i say i should be an eggdrop_config, i have search but nothing`
`07:12.57`	`konrad`	`bob2: sorry but it is and i give my best. hope it's good enough for you to talk like humans`
`07:13.02`	`bob2`	`we need to make a special IRC network for egg drop users`
`07:13.05`	`bob2`	`konrad: what?`
`07:13.16`	`bob2`	`I think you think I insulted you at some point`
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`07:13.36`	`maher`	`Tarential: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml <-- does that work`
`07:13.55`	`cafuego`	`bob2: uh, DALnet has beena round for years`
`07:14.01`	`bob2`	`haha`
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`07:14.51`	`peet`	`is it possible to make a ntfs drive writeable?`
`07:14.57`	`peet`	`why is it supported in the kernel`
`07:15.00`	`cafuego`	`peet: Yes. Boot Windows.`
`07:15.00`	`peet`	`but i can't get it to work`
`07:15.06`	`Tarential`	`big blank white spot where the plugin should be`
`07:15.08`	`peet`	`i mean from linux`
`07:15.13`	`Tarential`	`with my adblock sticker over it should I choose to block it`
`07:15.20`	`bob2`	`peet: it will corrupt it`
`07:15.22`	`cafuego`	`peet: yes, but if you actually write to it, the data will be destroyed.`
`07:15.32`	`peet`	`why's that?`
`07:15.38`	`maher`	`Tarential: paste about:plugins in #flood`
`07:15.41`	`Coke`	`ambycrao: dpkg -L eggdrop \| grep etc`
`07:15.42`	`simonrvn`	`because M$ sucks`
`07:15.43`	`cafuego`	`peet: Because Microsoft aren't releasing the specs.`
`07:16.01`	`peet`	`oh....what foolish company`
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`07:16.08`	`Coke`	`peet: no`
`07:16.11`	`cafuego`	`No, you're a foolish user <heh>`
`07:16.14`	`chipheo`	`hi all`
`07:16.21`	`peet`	`hehe`
`07:16.23`	`peet`	`true`
`07:16.43`	`peet`	`but it would be nice if i could write to my windows drive`
`07:16.52`	`Coke`	`peet: they do not have the quality to match operating systems like GNU, BSD or even OSX so they fight the only way they can.`
`07:16.54`	`peet`	`which is 10x bigger but i never boot into there anymore`
`07:16.55`	`benjamindees`	`peet, it's possible, but a really terrible idea unless you're willing to deal with problems`
`07:16.58`	`cafuego`	`if you used fat32 you could.`
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`07:17.11`	`Coke`	`peet: no, there's no need to write to NTFS`
`07:17.12`	`peet`	`benjamindees: ill stay away :]`
`07:17.23`	`cafuego`	`just wait for WinFS, when that arrived you won't even be able to READ your stuff`
`07:17.29`	`peet`	`Coke: why's that?`
`07:17.36`	`Coke`	`peet: because you can use ext3`
`07:17.48`	`peet`	`Coke: i don't follow`
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`07:17.55`	`maher`	`Tarential: what version of java did you install`
`07:17.57`	`Coke`	`peet: scrap windows and go all GNU`
`07:18.04`	`Tarential`	`1.5`
`07:18.15`	`maher`	`Tarential: give me the filename`
`07:18.17`	`ambycrao`	`dpkg -L eggdrop \| grep etc, wont work`
`07:18.17`	`dpkg`	`grep etc, wont work`
`07:18.20`	`peet`	`Coke: i still want my games`
`07:18.38`	`cafuego`	`peet: cedega is a lot cheaper then windows`
`07:18.41`	`chipheo`	`gents, which package contain rc-update?`
`07:18.43`	`Coke`	`ambycrao: "won't work" ?`
`07:18.47`	`benjamindees`	`peet, fat32 is the practical solution`
`07:18.47`	`Coke`	`ambycrao: ofcourse it works`
`07:18.47`	`peet`	`Coke: ah hmm`
`07:18.52`	`Coke`	`peet: buy an xbox`
`07:18.58`	`cafuego`	`chipheo: Are you making that up or are you after update-rc.d?`
`07:19.02`	`peet`	`benjamindees: my patition is already ntfs`
`07:19.06`	`ambycrao`	`"dpkg-query: --listfiles beh�ver �tminstone ett paket som argument"`
`07:19.12`	`Tarential`	`jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin`
`07:19.18`	`Tarential`	`then extracted and alien`
`07:19.33`	`cafuego`	`Tarential: no. 'make-jpkg'`
`07:19.36`	`axiom242`	`how can i obtain directories via FTP recursively?`
`07:19.38`	`Coke`	`peet: there are computers specially built for gaming, they are usualy called game consoles, for whatever reason, but they do that job well.`
`07:19.38`	`benjamindees`	`peet, make a new one that is fat32 and copy everything over; then get rid of ntfs to make room for Linux :)`
`07:19.44`	`peet`	`the other day someone tried to bruteforce login to my sshd =\`
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`07:19.47`	`chipheo`	`cafuego: I just want to use rc-update command but it say not found`
`07:19.47`	`peet`	`benjamindees: i just might`
`07:19.55`	`cafuego`	`axiom242: mget -R or 'mirror'depending on the client.`
`07:20.06`	`peet`	`isn't rc-update in gentoo? :]`
`07:20.07`	`cafuego`	`chipheo: What makes you think that command exists?`
`07:20.16`	`peet`	`hes from gentoo`
`07:20.21`	`benjamindees`	`peet, ntfs is still readable at least`
`07:20.25`	`ambycrao`	`this workded -->dpkg -L eggdrop \| grep /"`
`07:20.26`	`cafuego`	`He's on the wrong channel then.`
`07:20.33`	`chipheo`	`peet: you are right`
`07:20.34`	`hcy`	`what's a good apt-getable app that can make nice fancy bar-graphs and save them as graphics`
`07:20.43`	`ambycrao`	`thank you`
`07:20.44`	`peet`	`gnumeric?`
`07:20.54`	`peet`	`benjamindees: sigh =\`
`07:20.57`	`cafuego`	`chipheo: This is #debian, not #gentoo.`
`07:21.12`	`axiom242`	`cafuego, i used mget -R and no go...it expects the directories to be on the local machine`
`07:21.16`	`chipheo`	`cafuego: in debian is their any tool to add or remove service?`
`07:21.18`	`peet`	`gentoo is col dun hate =b`
`07:21.27`	`cafuego`	`chipheo: I told you about update-rc.d already`
`07:21.28`	`pipeline`	`chipheo: chmod`
`07:21.38`	`hcy`	`i was trying gnumeric, it didn't seem to be able to do it properly though`
`07:21.47`	`cafuego`	`axiom242: What client are you using?`
`07:21.51`	`Coke`	`chipheo: this isn't windows either. what "service" ?`
`07:21.56`	`axiom242`	`cafuego: debian's default ftp client`
`07:21.57`	`maher`	`Tarential: there are two possible problems: alien just doesn't work - use java-package instead, or you have a gcc mismatch as in the trouble shooting section in http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php#browserpluginnotworking`
`07:21.58`	`benjamindees`	`!tell me about apt-cache search`
`07:22.05`	`peet`	`hm`
`07:22.12`	`cafuego`	`axiom242: Hmm. Grab 'lftp' and use 'mirror.`
`07:22.33`	`chipheo`	`cafuego: thank you, I am reading man update-rc.d`
`07:22.40`	`cafuego`	`chipheo: Alternatively, 'rcconf' is easy to use (but you'll need to install it first).`
`07:23.00`	`Tarential`	`I just used fakeroot make-jpkg on the bin, now what do I do? I'll try it this way`
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`07:23.07`	`chipheo`	`thanks pipeline and Coke also`
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`07:23.21`	`maher`	`Tarential: it should have made a deb`
`07:23.21`	`chipheo`	`cafuego: I will try rcconf`
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`07:23.32`	`BrianAnthony`	`how can I find kernel source packages with apt-get`
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`07:23.48`	`BrianAnthony`	`apt-cache search kernel-source doesn't come up with anything`
`07:24.10`	`BrianAnthony`	`I need a source for 2.6.8-2-k7 is there a package I can get from apt?`
`07:24.16`	`peet`	`BrianAnthony: apt-cache search kernel-sources?`
`07:24.16`	`benjamindees`	`BrianAnthony, try apt-get source kernel-blah-blah`
`07:24.23`	`peet`	`yes there is`
`07:24.24`	`chipheo`	`cafuego: rcconf is very nice :-) thanks again`
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`07:24.43`	`peet`	`BrianAnthony: use synaptic and yes there is a 2.6.8-2-k7, im using it`
`07:25.04`	`peet`	`although there isn't a source for it`
`07:25.08`	`peet`	`just an image`
`07:25.11`	`peet`	`and headers`
`07:25.19`	`BrianAnthony`	`peet, that's what I'm looking for.`
`07:25.22`	`BrianAnthony`	`I'm fucked =/`
`07:25.35`	`peet`	`what do you need it for`
`07:25.40`	`peet`	`you can try using 2.6.8 sources`
`07:25.47`	`BrianAnthony`	`my ati drivers make me have to have kernel source to compile the module for the driver`
`07:25.50`	`peet`	`and copying the config from /boot`
`07:26.14`	`peet`	`BrianAnthony: Actually i forgot how to make mine but you didn't need the uhm`
`07:26.20`	`peet`	`well let me figure out how i did it`
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`07:28.33`	`peet`	`BrianAnthony: I tihnk i just dled the 2.6.8 sources and copied the config from /boot and then did a make-pkgk`
`07:28.49`	`peet`	`step 4.3 in the tutorial`
`07:28.52`	`BrianAnthony`	`make-kpkg?`
`07:29.01`	`BrianAnthony`	`for the ati fglrx drivers>`
`07:29.12`	`peet`	`actually no i did step 4.2`
`07:29.14`	`peet`	`yes`
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`07:29.42`	`peet`	`if you are using the 2.6.8-2-k7 image i can give you my module... i didn't change my kernel at all`
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`07:30.18`	`BrianAnthony`	`peet, =D`
`07:30.19`	`BrianAnthony`	`k`
`07:30.25`	`Tarential`	`rm -rf /usr/java and then install using make-jpkg worked, thanks maher and cafuego for the help`
`07:30.36`	`peet`	`BrianAnthony: You got an sftp account i can use?`
`07:30.47`	`BrianAnthony`	`sftp?`
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`07:30.56`	`ircdevil`	`aaargh! software patents! did everybody sign the partition -> http://petition.eurolinux.org/signatures.html ?`
`07:31.05`	`peet`	`BrianAnthony: well i dont know how im gonna give you hte module`
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`07:31.25`	`peet`	`BrianAnthony: You got aim? peetsbeets is my sn if you have it`
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`07:34.11`	`debian`	`sign the partition? I don't know I need to sign them....`
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`07:35.29`	`ircdevil`	`debian: well - whatever voice one have must be raised`
`07:35.35`	`benjamindees`	`lol the channel went silent realizing the possibility of a stripper using Linux...`
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`07:36.08`	`ircdevil`	`benjamindees: and signing a partition against software patents!`
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`07:36.26`	`dondelelcaro`	`no, the channel just has no opinion about what someone's occupation has to do with running linux`
`07:36.27`	`ircdevil`	`"stippers against software patents"`
`07:37.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`whatever a stipper is...`
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`07:37.31`	`benjamindees`	`I guess it's not so absurd, plenty of stripper's livelihoods are linked to Linux I guess...`
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`07:38.01`	`ircdevil`	`dondelelcaro: perhaps the petitions should hold a place in topic?`
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`07:38.38`	`dondelelcaro`	`ircdevil: no point... there almost everywhere else, and frankly, petitions don't do as much as concerted work with your own elected (or appointed) representatives`
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`07:39.32`	`dondelelcaro`	`s/there/they're/`
`07:39.58`	`ircdevil`	`dondelelcaro: ok, how come the EU directive was handled as an A-item uncountered ?`
`07:40.01`	`simonrvn`	`everywhere`
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`07:40.56`	`benjamindees`	`heh, "appointed representative"; tom paine is spinning in his grave`
`07:40.59`	`simonrvn`	`right now i just wish i could find another (much) more quiet 9 gb scsi drive...`
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`07:42.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`benjamindees: this is kind of OT, but not every individual representing you is actually directly elected by you.`
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`07:42.51`	`benjamindees`	`dondelelcaro, I know, but they're not exactly "representing" me either :p`
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`07:43.53`	`ambycrao`	`hur packar jag upp eggdrop.conf.gz ? provat tar,dpkg`
`07:44.12`	`ircdevil`	`!debian-se`
`07:44.15`	`Rydekull`	`gunzip`
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`07:44.47`	`ambycrao`	`ah, det va gunzip � inte bunzip :)`
`07:45.29`	`drp`	`OFF TOPIC: anyone know what %i is when used in scanf() or printf()`
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`07:46.05`	`kensuke`	`drp: Its used to print an integer value of the provided argument`
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`07:46.13`	`kensuke`	`(i thinks)`
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`07:46.20`	`plogger`	`hi. What is the best (easy) way to install ipw2200 driver (wifi card) ?`
`07:46.36`	`drp`	`kensuke: then what is %d because that's the way I've always seen and integer printed or scanned in`
`07:46.46`	`drp`	`an*`
`07:46.52`	`kensuke`	`drp: %d is a double I think`
`07:47.59`	`Rydekull`	`plogger: follow the guides http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/`
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`07:48.13`	`drp`	`kensuke: d Matches an optionally signed decimal integer; the next pointer must be a pointer to int.`
`07:48.16`	`drp`	`from the man page`
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`07:48.42`	`simonrvn`	`lack of a means of holding "the reps" truely accountable is heightened and highlighted by things like this. and also those people's atttitude towards the people they're supposed to rep.... says a lot about what kind of "democracy" representative democracy is, methinks. the concentration of power in a few doesn't equal democracy, it equals plutocracy - since it's the rich few able to afford campaigning - and a vertical hierarchy - where those few "call ...`
`07:48.48`	`simonrvn`	`... the shots", and decide for us, despite our expression to the contrary (say, s/w patents). hence, it becomes us to at least consider the possibility of doing what the UDHR's Preamble speaks of (paraphrased: "...so that people are not forced to revolution, and counter tyranny...")`
`07:48.51`	`ambycrao`	before i gunzip "eggdrop.conf.gz" i must copy it to the bot`s directory. it means in /boot ?
`07:48.54`	`drp`	`haha nm kensuke I figured it out`
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`07:48.59`	`kensuke`	`drp: hmm ...`
`07:49.02`	`kensuke`	`drp: ??`
`07:49.05`	`streuner_`	`!mhallsmite himself for installing kudzu`
`07:49.06`	`dpkg`	`Fuck himself for installing kudzu. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick.`
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`07:49.20`	`plogger`	`Rydekull, do you have one ipw2200 ?`
`07:49.27`	`BrianAnthony`	`peet: hey uhh I get a black screen when I try to load X`
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`07:49.28`	`BrianAnthony`	`lol`
`07:49.55`	`simonrvn`	`s/truely/truly/`
`07:50.47`	`streuner_`	`After installing kudzu and plug a tv-card into a free slot the settings in ALSA are away every time when booting`
`07:50.51`	`simonrvn`	`ambycrao: um, no. it's home dir, or whatever you installed it`
`07:50.56`	`male`	`morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`07:51.03`	`simonrvn`	`maybe for you`
`07:51.06`	`streuner_`	`soundcard and tv-card using the same IRQ...`
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`07:51.27`	`suzzi`	`Uggg!`
`07:51.30`	`suzzi`	`howdy all`
`07:51.32`	`ambycrao`	`thanks`
`07:51.39`	`simonrvn`	`ambycrao: s/whatever/wherever/`
`07:51.57`	`streuner_`	`kudzu prolly changed some settings, so the some system settings (cdrom, sound) are fscked`
`07:52.13`	`simonrvn`	`!lart streuner_ for installing kudzu`
`07:52.30`	`suzzi`	`any one know if theres a better way to change the 'resolution' in CLI linux... I'm tinkering with fbset... and I dont rember it being this difficult.`
`07:53.00`	`simonrvn`	`look in /etc/fb.modes. here's one i use 1024x758-60`
`07:53.05`	`streuner_`	`simonrvn: thats a lesson for not reading some docs... and use the "easy" way...`
`07:53.06`	`simonrvn`	`768*`
`07:53.15`	`simonrvn`	`not 758 :)`
`07:53.26`	`simonrvn`	`streuner_: you bad boy`
`07:53.29`	`suzzi`	`simonrvn: I'll try that`
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`07:53.43`	`streuner_`	`simonrvn: hehe :-)`
`07:53.48`	`simonrvn`	`might need a bit higher on the rate, like -70, or -75`
`07:53.59`	`simonrvn`	`streuner_: :)`
`07:54.06`	`jm_`	`suzzi: you could also sue vga=ask or stm`
`07:54.21`	`jm_`	`use even`
`07:54.43`	`Rydekull`	`plogger: yes, but just follow the guides`
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`07:57.45`	`comm`	`Hi, im currently using x forwarding to access internal webpages at work that I can't access from the outside. I'm using firefox with the x-forwarding and its quite slow, is there any way to speed it up? or possibly run a http proxy?`
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`07:58.44`	`drp`	`whenever I run xmms I get the error I just posted in #flood`
`07:58.47`	`BrianAnthony`	`how do I unpack a bz2?`
`07:58.54`	`BrianAnthony`	`tar - xjf?`
`07:59.02`	`streuner_`	`!tar`
`07:59.02`	`dpkg`	`Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2 (potato): "tar xIf foo.tar.bz2"; Extract tar.bz2 (woody or later): "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjz foo.tar.bz2 directory", or install unp and unp whatever.whatever`
`07:59.03`	`drp`	`I think this is what happened shortly after I installed nvidia drivers`
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`07:59.09`	`comm`	`paste again drp`
`07:59.25`	`jm_`	`comm: there's lbxproxy, but I dobut it will help much, you can't use lynx/links? one other thing is also FreeNX, but last I looked at it, it lacked documentation`
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`07:59.41`	`drp`	`i'm not sure what that library s`
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`07:59.59`	`streuner_`	`drp: you can ignore the warning or install miknod package`
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`08:00.16`	`comm`	`jm-: thanks for some sort of direction`
`08:00.16`	`drp`	`how can I ignore it`
`08:00.33`	`streuner_`	`drp: so xmms doesn't work at all?`
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`08:00.41`	`drp`	`no it doesn't`
`08:00.42`	`Steven_`	`comm : are you doing ssh -C ?`
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`08:01.39`	`streuner_`	`drp: did you read BTS?`
`08:01.45`	`Usiu`	`Hi, Anyone from "EU" ??`
`08:01.51`	`drp`	`streuner_: No i'm not familiar with that`
`08:02.08`	`streuner_`	`drp: if you use testing or unstable you need that`
`08:02.33`	`comm`	`Steven_: just -X`
`08:02.49`	`comm`	`jm_: lbx is already on`
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`08:02.56`	`male`	`suzziiiii were are you going?????????`
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`08:03.04`	`RichiH`	`!ep`
`08:03.04`	`dpkg`	`Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!!`
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`08:03.19`	`RichiH`	`!tell kxname about root`
`08:03.20`	`thesaboteur`	`!win kxname`
`08:03.23`	`Steven_`	`comm : -C uses compression, maybe something to consider ?`
`08:03.23`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, kxname! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!`
`08:04.12`	`comm`	`Steven_: it wont hurt, my work is only about 8 hops away and 20ms latency...`
`08:04.17`	`kensuke`	`Ive always wanted to meet root`
`08:05.00`	`Steven_`	`ok`
`08:05.05`	`Steven_`	`I'm off to work`
`08:05.27`	`jm_`	`comm: yeah I also noticed that running a browser over 256kbps link is horribly slow, but I have no other choice for one particular thing`
`08:05.53`	`male`	`enyone from greece???`
`08:06.09`	`male`	`?`
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`08:06.58`	`streuner_`	`male: why?`
`08:07.28`	`grendal_prime`	`jesus...what a frigging nightmare...windows...i swear everytime..i will never touch anotherone`
`08:07.41`	`nagual`	`bah`
`08:07.42`	`comm`	`jm_: im on 5Mbps/1Mbps connection`
`08:07.48`	`nagual`	`windows is excellent as a workstation`
`08:07.53`	`jm_`	`comm: ahh that should be fast enough ;)`
`08:08.07`	`male`	`etsi re`
`08:08.08`	`grendal_prime`	`are you fucking stoned?`
`08:08.16`	`grendal_prime`	`right now?? you are arent you`
`08:08.23`	`male`	`:-)`
`08:08.30`	`nagual`	`i wish`
`08:08.31`	`comm`	`jm_: yes, but I think firefox is fat in the ass.`
`08:08.38`	`male`	`;)`
`08:08.49`	`grendal_prime`	`on crack too`
`08:08.52`	`comm`	`ill try lynx`
`08:08.56`	`comm`	`thanks for the help`
`08:08.59`	`jm_`	`comm: well it certainly works good on 10Mbps LAN, I'll test it again with faster link sometime later this year`
`08:09.09`	`jm_`	`comm: links might be a better option, try both`
`08:09.37`	`grendal_prime`	`i swear to god any os that is good as a workstation, does not need 2.4 gig of proc to run the ever present virus scanner needed`
`08:09.50`	`grendal_prime`	`its rediculas`
`08:09.59`	`nagual`	`yea, it could never be your virusscanner who is to blame`
`08:10.17`	`grendal_prime`	`it is not MINE to begin with`
`08:10.22`	`male`	`streuner_: were are you from?`
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`08:10.42`	`streuner_`	`male: germany, why?`
`08:10.45`	`nagual`	`the its someone elses problem, what are you complaining about? :)`
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`08:11.02`	`sep`	`nagual: why my problem ?`
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`08:11.06`	`grendal_prime`	`and quite frankly the virus scanner i do use on those things is not that weighty. im sorry but a workstation is the last thing that os is good for...it invites things into the network`
`08:11.22`	`male`	`stutgard?`
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`08:12.12`	`grendal_prime`	`anyone ever had a problem wiith running firefox and mozilla 1.7 on the same machine?`
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`08:13.25`	`streuner_`	`male: dude, say what you want or ask debian related questions here`
`08:13.59`	`drp`	`whats the commmand to move to the previous directory you were just in`
`08:14.11`	`drp`	`for example if I did a : cd ~`
`08:14.11`	`nagual`	`sep: how would i know, you choose your own problems :)`
`08:14.18`	`drp`	`and wanted to get back to dir. I was in`
`08:14.49`	`macween`	`drp: ..`
`08:14.58`	`Phated`	`You would... cd back there again?`
`08:15.05`	`jm_`	`drp: cd -`
`08:15.11`	`drp`	`yeah that's it jm_`
`08:15.12`	`male`	`what do you want to say man i don't anderstand`
`08:15.13`	`drp`	`thanks`
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`08:15.17`	`jm_`	`drp: or start using pushd/popd if your shell supports it`
`08:15.18`	`deadcat`	`Phated: i have hover for min,max,close now`
`08:15.25`	`Phated`	`deadcat: Sweet.`
`08:15.37`	`deadcat`	`want?`
`08:15.43`	`Phated`	`Yeah, sure.`
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`08:16.07`	`streuner_`	`male: i asked you two questions, why you want to know that, you didn't answered that - the convo is just lame ... ;-)`
`08:16.09`	`drp`	`jm_: is that some sort of stack structure that stores ...`
`08:16.33`	`jm_`	`grendal_prime: yes, that was happening back then, try using -a ption with mozilla-firefox -a bla or whatever`
`08:16.38`	`jm_`	`drp: yup`
`08:17.12`	`male`	`i have my parends there man...`
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`08:17.29`	`deadcat`	`Phated: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/openbox-3`
`08:17.37`	`Phated`	`deadcat: Thanks.`
`08:17.39`	`sep`	`i am using the cricket package to graph a lot of interfaces, but recently i'v taken some flak on the account that cricket/rrdtool averages the data so you dont get to see the peeks, is there a debian package for network monitoring that keeps all the collected data in a backend database so you can go back in time and see the actual traffic peaks ?`
`08:17.44`	`grendal_prime`	`jm_, ??`
`08:18.00`	`grendal_prime`	`the problem im having is that mozilla 1.7...never actually fires up...`
`08:18.03`	`male`	`its ok now???????`
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`08:18.32`	`streuner_`	`male: #debian is a technical channel with prior to help and solve debian related questions, it sound to me you need to join a different channel to me...`
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`08:19.27`	`jm_`	`grendal_prime: then try mozilla -a bla`
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`08:19.39`	`grendal_prime`	`basically if i run it i get a busy indication, but nothing after 60 sec..so i tried running it via terminal and i get any error whatsoever`
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`08:19.54`	`jm_`	`that doesn't sound like the same issue then`
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`08:20.42`	`grendal_prime`	`what does the -a optioin do?`
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`08:22.39`	`jm_`	`starts it with given application ID`
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`08:22.52`	`grendal_prime`	`hmm well worth a try`
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`08:23.25`	`drp`	`can I switch which device my mouse is using without resourcing my XF86Config-4 ... maybe a newb question but ...`
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`08:24.04`	`jm_`	`drp: that depends on your current configuration`
`08:24.17`	`drp`	`jm_: how so`
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`08:24.55`	`jm_`	`drp: if it's using gpmdata, or if you're on 2.6 where all the mice types use the same device`
`08:25.11`	`JaMaLz`	`can i use 224.112.255.171 , as my ip address ?`
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`08:25.34`	`streuner_`	`sure, if you get that IP from your ISP`
`08:25.56`	`drp`	`jm_: I'm running sarge but as for gpmdata I'm not sure ... don't know what gpmdata is`
`08:26.09`	`jm_`	`drp: check your configuration then`
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`08:26.19`	`streuner_`	`!x-gpm`
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`08:26.34`	`kenboo`	`i think it's in a range of multi-cast`
`08:26.44`	`JaMaLz`	`+ streuner_ : well over my winxp box it says the max i can use is 223.255.255.254, so if i installed debian might it work ?`
`08:26.46`	`TinoW`	`hi#`
`08:26.53`	`streuner_`	`!listkeys gpm`
`08:26.54`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'gpm' by key (9): gpmdata ;; gpm+x ;; gpm-x ;; gpm2 ;; gpm ;; gpm repeater ;; x+gpm ;; elf gpm ;; gpm3.`
`08:26.59`	`streuner_`	`!gpm-x`
`08:26.59`	`dpkg`	`For help with GPM and X11 sharing a mouse, see the FAQ-O-Matic entry at http://www.debian.org/cgi-bin/fom?file=45`
`08:27.03`	`drp`	`jm_: I just asked dpkg and I don't think I'm using gpm`
`08:27.13`	`JaMaLz`	`+ kenboo : what is multi-cast`
`08:27.27`	`streuner_`	`drp: dpkg -l gpm`
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`08:27.45`	`streuner_`	`!gpm+x`
`08:27.45`	`dpkg`	`i heard gpm+x is how to install gpm and X to share your mouse. Configure gpm (using gpmconfig) to use 'repeat_type=ms3' and your correct mouse type (often "autops2"), and configure X to use Option "Device" "/dev/gpmdata" and Option "Protocol" "Intellimouse", regardless of your actual mouse type.`
`08:28.20`	`drp`	`actually I wanted to switch it to /dev/psaux without having to reboot or resource XFS...`
`08:28.32`	`jm_`	`switch from what?`
`08:28.40`	`drp`	`/dev/input/mice`
`08:28.44`	`jm_`	`why?`
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`08:28.52`	`drp`	`scroll doesn't work on /dev/input/mice`
`08:28.54`	`kenboo`	`JaMaLz, $B!!(Bsee RFC3171`
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`08:29.07`	`jm_`	`yes it does, you have misconfigured something - are you using 2.6 kernel?`
`08:29.14`	`drp`	`jm_: yes`
`08:29.27`	`drp`	`jm_: whenever I switch to /dev/psaux scroll works`
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`08:29.41`	`jm_`	`drp: /dev/input/mice should be used for everything with 2.6 kernel`
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`08:30.18`	`drp`	`jm_: someone in here suggested I switch to /dev/psaux ... I did it and scroll worked so I'm not sure`
`08:30.29`	`jm_`	`drp: set mouse type to ExplorerPS/2`
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`08:30.48`	`JaMaLz`	`+ kenboo : u know any thing about multicast ?`
`08:31.10`	`drp`	`jm_: protocol?`
`08:31.19`	`jm_`	`drp: yes`
`08:31.26`	`sep`	`JaMaLz: you can'`
`08:31.37`	`JaMaLz`	`+ sep : over windows or linux ?`
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`08:32.01`	`sep`	`JaMaLz: multicast is a protocol, it's not computer spesific, you just shoudnt have an ip in that range`
`08:32.18`	`drp`	`jm_: can I just resource XFS..`
`08:32.29`	`jm_`	`drp: what does "resource XFS" mean?`
`08:32.53`	`drp`	`jm_: well I mean reload the XFS config file`
`08:33.08`	`JaMaLz`	`+ sep : so how do i access the internet if the dns starts with 224...* and the gateway starts with 224...*`
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`08:33.19`	`drp`	`jm_: source /etc/X11/XF86Config-4`
`08:33.37`	`sep`	`JaMaLz: if you want to learn about multicast you can read the rfc that kenboo posted, but multicast group addresses will fall in the range of 224.0.0.0 to 239.255.255.255.`
`08:33.39`	`drp`	`err`
`08:33.39`	`jm_`	`drp: no`
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`08:33.47`	`drp`	`jm_: maybe that's a solaris command`
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`08:33.53`	`drp`	`jm_: I'm kind of new to debian`
`08:34.13`	`TinoW`	`JaMaLz: in short: you cant. 224.* are not routed this way. Use NAT and decide for different IP Range`
`08:34.32`	`sep`	`JaMaLz: are you getting these ip's from your provider ?`
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`08:35.25`	`BrianAnthony`	`The changelog says we are creating 2.6.8-2-k, but I thought the version is 2.6.8-2-k7`
`08:35.27`	`BrianAnthony`	`how do I stop that thing before I shoot myself in the head`
`08:35.38`	`jm_`	`BrianAnthony: read the FAQ`
`08:36.00`	`jm_`	`BrianAnthony: or ask dpkg how to use make-kpkg`
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`08:36.14`	`ravn`	`anyone: hot to change the default mail-client in firefox?`
`08:36.43`	`JaMaLz`	`<kenboo> JaMaLz, $B!!(Bsee RFC3171 /<<<???`
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`08:38.33`	`kenboo`	`oh...sorry`
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`08:38.45`	`kenboo`	`i had iso-2022 encoding`
`08:39.00`	`Teewhy`	`anyone know the path to GD2?`
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`08:40.08`	`debianl`	`hi, all`
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`08:43.48`	`deadcat`	`no jvm for ppc?`
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`08:44.26`	`TinoW`	`deadcat: java.sun.com?`
`08:44.34`	`deadcat`	`ppc?`
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`08:49.45`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: ibm's jre`
`08:49.52`	`dserban`	`any way I can probe my video card to see how much memory it has?`
`08:49.54`	`simonrvn`	`no browser plugin`
`08:50.07`	`simonrvn`	`poke it with a stick`
`08:50.23`	`dserban`	`I probably should ;) it's such a pos anyway.`
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`08:50.41`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: ok`
`08:50.43`	`paddy`	`morning`
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`08:51.28`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: can you link me? (=`
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`08:52.42`	`grepper`	`dserban: should be in the X log`
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`08:52.58`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: link you to what?`
`08:53.17`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: ppc jvm ibm`
`08:53.32`	`deadcat`	`i need to run limewire. those crappy blackdown links are all gone`
`08:54.09`	`pipeline`	`blackdown's debian packages are waaay out of date anyway.`
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`08:54.19`	`TinoW`	`dserban: usually you dont care - the driver will find out`
`08:54.20`	`jm_`	`that's why you create your own`
`08:54.33`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: google it`
`08:54.35`	`deadcat`	`pipeline: what should i look for`
`08:54.49`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: the regular binary installer instead of debian packages.`
`08:54.58`	`deadcat`	`pipeline: where? ppc?`
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`08:55.55`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: oh, son of a bitch, blackdown only has JVM 1.3 binaries.`
`08:56.10`	`toukitsune`	`I have a DVD-RW and I am having problems with xcdroast`
`08:56.20`	`toukitsune`	`can anyone help me`
`08:56.37`	`simonrvn`	`can you ask a question?`
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`08:56.52`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: google:ibm java ppc`
`08:57.00`	`toukitsune`	`I get messages that the drive doesnt support the write format`
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`08:58.12`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: Actually, on PPC, I think that's your only option. Unless IBM has something special. Sun doesn't even offer linux/ppc binaries.`
`08:58.14`	`toukitsune`	`cdrecord: Drive does not support SAO recording.`
`08:58.34`	`jm_`	`toukitsune: try using growisofs instead`
`08:58.37`	`deadcat`	`pipeline: ya. those fucks at sun.com`
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`08:58.59`	`toukitsune`	`that works with xcdroast?`
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`08:59.07`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: i keep telling you to go google it. do that, instead of whining`
`08:59.09`	`jm_`	`no`
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`08:59.32`	`simonrvn`	`ibm builds it for all kinds of ppc h/w...`
`08:59.43`	`deadcat`	`let me fix my sshd first. (=`
`09:00.22`	`toukitsune`	`I cannot apt-get growisofs`
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`09:01.07`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: ah well, 1.3.1 isn't hopelessly old ;)`
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`09:01.25`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: Thats not the name of the package`
`09:01.26`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: Although it might be old enough that it was compiled with GCC 2.x :(`
`09:01.34`	`simonrvn`	`no`
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`09:01.40`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: Compiling java on PPC is definitely not going to be fun.`
`09:01.48`	`toukitsune`	`well its not something on my HD eather`
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`09:02.21`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: Try apt-get install dvd+rw-tools`
`09:02.25`	`toukitsune`	`and besides I was hopeing I can use xcdroast or something gui that would work`
`09:03.24`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: you can.. But you need that package I just told you...`
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`09:03.48`	`toukitsune`	`ok I got it now`
`09:03.51`	`deadcat`	`pipeline: i hate compiling... only kernel or modules.`
`09:04.00`	`snail`	`On my debian box I have a fat partition which is currently checked at start up. I've tried making the partition a user mounted rather than mounted at boot time, but it's still checked at boot, and is adding ~ minute to my boot time. any suggestions as to how to check it either in the background or at mount rather than at boot?`
`09:04.07`	`toukitsune`	`Now what`
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`09:04.16`	`sean_micken`	`anyone know how to get the icons on the GNOME desktop smaller in size?`
`09:04.56`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: either that or I:DONT:KNOW:YOU:THATS:MY:PURSE`
`09:05.06`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
`09:05.15`	`Araldit`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:05.38`	`simonrvn`	`oh, i should fix up the directory listing for that...`
`09:05.51`	`qDobe`	`is openoffice already avaible for x86_64?`
`09:05.54`	`simonrvn`	`deadcat: if you go to /docs/ldap/, you'll see what i mean`
`09:05.57`	`toukitsune`	`Araldit: you have more information on what to do now?`
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`09:06.13`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: which burning progran do you want to use..?`
`09:06.15`	`deadcat`	`simonrvn: ok`
`09:06.40`	`toukitsune`	`well xcdroast or some other GUI DVD/CD program`
`09:06.49`	`toukitsune`	`errr frontend`
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`09:07.13`	`simonrvn`	`why are they looking for "apple g4 firmware updater" on a non-apple site?`
`09:07.26`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: That's funny. The kernel and modules are the only things I go out of my way to avoid compiling.`
`09:07.36`	`deadcat`	`pipeline: HAAHHAH`
`09:07.42`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: So just apt-get install gtoaster or k3b or cdrtoaster`
`09:07.45`	`pipeline`	`deadcat: My /usr/local is an elephant's graveyard of crap`
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`09:08.05`	`deadcat`	`pipeline: if its possible. i just dpkg -i the debs`
`09:08.06`	`Bug5`	`this is not debian specific, but anyways: im trying to move users from my redhat mail server to a brand new debian mail server. Can anyone point me to the easiest solution?`
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`09:08.22`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: Im using k3b, it rocks.`
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`09:08.35`	`johnnyST`	`Hi is there some software that I could use to test a server? like testing it really hard to make sure it works ok?`
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`09:08.52`	`TinoW`	`Bug5: this depends entirely on the way you save the users now - LDAP, relational database or etc/passwd or sasl`
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`09:09.11`	`toukitsune`	`does k3b relie on KDE cause I did something like a month ago and I cannot run any KDE programs`
`09:09.15`	`Bug5`	`TinoW: about 50 users, etc/passwd`
`09:09.22`	`toukitsune`	`like kwrite or anything like that`
`09:09.29`	`TinoW`	`.oO(arent 762 most sleeping users not a bit too many?)`
`09:09.34`	`White`	`Hello everybody I just downloaded wall paper from gnome look and the extension ends with tar. bz I'm tried to drag the file into /usr/share/backgrounds/images folder , when I do taat I get an error thats say I dont have write acess to that folder dose anyone know how I can root into the /usr/share/backgrounds/images folder and place the image in there`
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`09:10.25`	`cafuego`	`TinoW: Who are you do decide that?`
`09:10.25`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: U can use it in gnome.. But yes it uses qt.. But that should work anyway.`
`09:10.25`	`TinoW`	`Bug5: not the best solution, but you can just copy the lines of etc/passwd, etc/groups and etc/shadow`
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`09:10.26`	`TinoW`	`cafuego: I did not decide anything.`
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`09:10.26`	`White`	`someone please help when time permits`
`09:10.37`	`toukitsune`	`I use windowmaker`
`09:10.38`	`rixth`	`This is probably a stupid idea, but how do I start yhe Flightgear game?`
`09:10.42`	`simonrvn`	`just ask your question`
`09:10.43`	`rixth`	`White, wahts your problem?`
`09:10.44`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: apt-get install k3b and then in the prompt type k3b..`
`09:10.48`	`White`	`ok....`
`09:10.51`	`cafuego`	`White: Just unpack it to your home directory and choose a file from there.`
`09:10.54`	`White`	`Hello everybody I just downloaded wall paper from gnome look and the extension ends with tar. bz I'm tried to drag the file into /usr/share/backgrounds/images folder , when I do taat I get an error thats say I dont have write acess to that folder dose anyone know how I can root into the /usr/share/backgrounds/images folder and place the image in there`
`09:11.00`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: No matter.`
`09:11.01`	`Bug5`	`TinoW: i tought of that. And how will i keep the file permissions and ownership?`
`09:11.07`	`White`	`I tried`
`09:11.19`	`cafuego`	`White: it's not like it's hard...`
`09:11.31`	`White`	`I opend file browser and tried draging the folder there but no go`
`09:11.36`	`cafuego`	`Prefs -> Desktop backgoruns -> Add wallpaper`
`09:11.37`	`TinoW`	`Bug5: make sure you have no overlapping userids, otherwise you have to manually (or scripted) correct them`
`09:11.46`	`White`	`I'be been trying for 10 hours`
`09:11.50`	`cafuego`	`White: Don't put it in /usr/share/backgrounds/images`
`09:11.56`	`cafuego`	`White: Just leave it in $HOME`
`09:12.02`	`White`	`I remember mandrake had something like cd make install`
`09:12.15`	`White`	`that's where it at`
`09:12.26`	`White`	`someone told me to put it into that folder`
`09:12.31`	`cafuego`	`White: So go to the control panel and tell gnome to use the file in $HOME`
`09:12.35`	`TinoW`	`White: did you ask on #kde as well?`
`09:12.41`	`Phated`	`After untarring the file.`
`09:12.46`	`White`	`No I only have gnome`
`09:12.55`	`Araldit`	`Is it possible to have specify some argument to the kernel ide driver, like the hdparm tool? So that I can have multicount and some other stuff..?`
`09:12.59`	`TinoW`	`ah, sorry. Forget my comment ;)`
`09:12.59`	`White`	`the file is already in my home directorey`
`09:13.04`	`White`	`it's wall papper`
`09:13.37`	`TinoW`	`White: what does tar -tzf <file> show?`
`09:13.37`	`cafuego`	`Phated: I miss out on Kota Kinabalu :-(`
`09:13.38`	`White`	`think I have to move it from the home useing the command line`
`09:13.41`	`Phated`	`If it ends with tar.bz, not, it's not. Untar the file and just browse to it using your wallpaper dialog.`
`09:13.45`	`Phated`	`cafuego: Sucks.`
`09:13.47`	`cafuego`	`White: Gnome doesn't care where it is.`
`09:13.51`	`TinoW`	`ah -tjf then`
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`09:13.55`	`White`	`hummm`
`09:13.56`	`cafuego`	`Phated: My wife gets to go :-(`
`09:13.57`	`toukitsune`	`hmmm I cannot afford to DL 40mb for k3b`
`09:14.01`	`White`	`Hummm`
`09:14.04`	`Phated`	`cafuego: Sucks even more. :)`
`09:14.14`	`White`	`wish it just let me drag it to that foldder`
`09:14.15`	`cafuego`	`Phated: uh-huh`
`09:14.25`	`Phated`	`cafuego: :)`
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`09:14.31`	`BleSS`	`i need help with scite: it converts tab into spaces, how change it?`
`09:14.45`	`Phated`	`White: Just EXTRACT the file, and BROWSE to it with your gnome backdrop dialog. Jeez.`
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`09:14.53`	`White`	`I just hit properties`
`09:14.58`	`White`	`heres the name of the file`
`09:15.01`	`Araldit`	`toukitsune: k. Then take another.. Use synaptic if ur not so familar with the apt tool`
`09:15.02`	`White`	`16332-CrystalforGnome2.tar.gz`
`09:15.09`	`simonrvn`	`....`
`09:15.39`	`deadcat`	`Phated: too bad i dont want to setup a pserver, else you can just cvs update on the themes when ever i edit some shits hehee.. i do that for some themes in .themes ~/bin and some dot files in ~`
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`09:15.42`	`White`	`this is fucking isane lol`
`09:15.44`	`TinoW`	`White: tar -tzf 16332-CrystalforGnome2.tar.gz`
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`09:15.52`	`Phated`	`deadcat: Heh.`
`09:16.02`	`TinoW`	`White: get used to a shell. It does not bite (too hard ;)`
`09:16.04`	`Phated`	`White: You're fucking insane.`
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`09:16.51`	`simonrvn`	`goddamn, how hard is it to open up the apps menu, go to desktop prefs, then background, and navigate to the fucking image?`
`09:16.55`	`Phated`	`It's not HARD, you know. There's a little thing when you change you backdrop that allows you to BROWSE for a new backdrop. Just tar -xjf your blasted .tar.bz and BROWSE to it.`
`09:16.59`	`simonrvn`	`sheesh`
`09:17.05`	`Phated`	`simonrvn: 10 hours hard, apparently.`
`09:17.08`	`jhffwefw`	`hi..`
`09:17.08`	`White`	`tar: 16332: Cannot open: No such file or directory`
`09:17.08`	`White`	`tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now`
`09:17.08`	`White`	`tar: Child returned status 2`
`09:17.08`	`White`	`tar: crystalforgnome2.tar.gz: Not found in archive`
`09:17.09`	`White`	`tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors`
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`09:17.29`	`Phated`	`Jesus.`
`09:17.39`	`jhffwefw`	`has anyone gone through an install on a highpoint rocketraid 1820A?`
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`09:17.51`	`Jeo`	`hello everybody, there is some command to know which linux distro are we using?`
`09:17.55`	`SlayerXP`	`"Consider using Windows, or an iMac"`
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`09:18.16`	`alumno`	`olaaa`
`09:18.16`	`jm_`	`Jeo: there is no single command`
`09:18.19`	`Delph`	`Jeo: uname -a might have a clue; or look around in /etc/ for something with a version number.`
`09:18.19`	`alumno`	`q tall`
`09:18.26`	`alumno`	`hello`
`09:18.30`	`alumno`	`i sytand`
`09:18.42`	`Jeo`	`jm_: how can we know that information? asking the host provider?`
`09:18.44`	`Jeo`	`:(`
`09:18.53`	`alumno`	`mi name is will`
`09:18.55`	`Delph`	`Jeo: probably the easiest way of finding out.`
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`09:19.06`	`alumno`	`yeahhhhhhhhhh`
`09:19.09`	`jhffwefw`	`so far, i've tried the modules from highpoint's site. they load fine, but it still can't see any drives apparently.`
`09:19.12`	`alumno`	`wasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa`
`09:19.12`	`jm_`	`Jeo: cd /etc ; ls \| egrep -i 'version\|release' should help`
`09:19.20`	`Jeo`	`ok`
`09:19.30`	`simonrvn`	`alumno: S. T. F. U.`
`09:19.35`	`toukitsune`	`I just dont see why I have to DL 40mb to burn a CD when xcdroast worked fine and used less space untlell I got a DVD burner`
`09:19.46`	`alumno`	`i haven,t friends`
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`09:19.56`	`alumno`	`i solid snake`
`09:19.59`	`simonrvn`	`get out more often`
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`09:21.19`	`alumno`	`lp.-l.l.ok.ok.-pol`
`09:21.37`	`Jeo`	`the lc stuff raises access denied`
`09:21.41`	`nullvoid`	`I am having problem installing FUSE which I compiled, it complains that my kernel is later than my fuse compiled on, anyone success in getting fuse working under debian?`
`09:21.45`	`Jeo`	`the lc stuff raises access denied`
`09:21.57`	`alumno`	`ay alguien espa�ol��`
`09:22.01`	`Jeo`	`and the uname display unknow`
`09:22.01`	`jm_`	`lc?`
`09:22.07`	`alumno`	`algun hs�`
`09:22.19`	`jarping`	`alumno yo mismo`
`09:22.30`	`alumno`	`hola`
`09:22.31`	`Jeo`	`que passa homa...`
`09:22.32`	`alumno`	`xD`
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`09:22.47`	`alumno`	`pues nada entre aki sin kerer`
`09:22.54`	`simonrvn`	`!spanish`
`09:22.55`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`09:22.56`	`alumno`	`y hablar un poko`
`09:22.57`	`jarping`	`que tal,aunque te recomiendo que hables en debian-es`
`09:23.13`	`Jeo`	`alumno aqui tienes q hablar english`
`09:23.15`	`alumno`	`eso es un kanal�?`
`09:23.21`	`alumno`	`okis sorry people`
`09:23.22`	`jarping`	`sip`
`09:23.53`	`paddy`	`is there a way to load the necessary devices in Debian Sarge without "discover"?`
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`09:24.20`	`TinoW`	`paddy: yes, with hotplug :-)`
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`09:24.33`	`paddy`	`ewwww. and i want to get rid of both :/`
`09:24.39`	`Jeo`	`but now, it is weird, why does the host displays unknow to uname? same in the phpinfo`
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`09:24.52`	`sep`	`paddy: add them to /etc/modules ?`
`09:25.07`	`Phated`	`Of course, this would involve knowing what hardware needs what modules.`
`09:25.33`	`OrionBerlin`	`Does someone know, if a Network Install CD exist for SID?`
`09:25.47`	`deadcat`	`OrionBerlin: ya. expert26`
`09:25.47`	`paddy`	`or i just compile a kernel with the drivers build in, without modules?`
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`09:25.49`	`jm_`	`OrionBerlin: yes, someone, somewhere knows`
`09:26.12`	`sep`	`Phated: ofcouse, but dosnt everyone ?`
`09:26.18`	`scarynetworkguy`	`paddy: You could do that you could also just do insmod and/or use modconf.`
`09:26.20`	`OrionBerlin`	`deadcat, got a website ?`
`09:26.27`	`Phated`	`sep: You'd be surprised.`
`09:26.35`	`deadcat`	`OrionBerlin: d-i`
`09:26.36`	`sep`	`Phated: every day :)`
`09:26.37`	`nullvoid`	`jm_: had you tried fuse?`
`09:26.44`	`OrionBerlin`	`deadcat, huh? di?`
`09:26.45`	`OrionBerlin`	`:P`
`09:26.50`	`jm_`	`nullvoid: nope`
`09:26.55`	`deadcat`	`!tell OrionBerlin about d-i`
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`09:27.08`	`scarynetworkguy`	`paddy: This of course all assumes that you know what hardware you have.`
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`09:27.20`	`nullvoid`	`fuse: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.`
`09:27.20`	`nullvoid`	`fuse: Unknown symbol vfs_permission`
`09:27.23`	`paddy`	`i do :-)`
`09:27.27`	`nullvoid`	`what does it mean`
`09:27.38`	`paddy`	`and i want to avoid that all this onboard USB crap is loaded`
`09:27.47`	`OrionBerlin`	`deadcat, thats sarge not SID ;)`
`09:27.54`	`TinoW`	`tainted kernel love`
`09:27.58`	`Phated`	`You -can- upgrade, you know.`
`09:28.19`	`deadcat`	`OrionBerlin: "expert" or "expert26"`
`09:28.21`	`deadcat`	`!!!!`
`09:28.22`	`dpkg`	`"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric`
`09:28.26`	`jm_`	`paddy: /msg dpkg blacklist`
`09:28.32`	`TinoW`	`paddy: you can configure what should be ignored`
`09:29.15`	`paddy`	`i tried several ways in /etc/discover.conf but for some reason its not acting like expected`
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`09:29.26`	`TinoW`	`whatever "foo" is in the explanation ;)`
`09:29.41`	`TinoW`	`(guess the module name)`
`09:29.59`	`paddy`	`but this blacklisting thing is a nice hint, thanks jm_`
`09:30.05`	`CoooLLer`	`hi. i have problem. when i mounting win partition under root i can't read it under not privileged user, eve if i do chmod 777 to this directory. WHY?`
`09:30.05`	`directhex`	`OrionBerlin, there's no such thing as SID.`
`09:30.10`	`directhex`	`OrionBerlin, perhaps you mean Sid`
`09:30.20`	`jm_`	`CoooLLer: because`
`09:30.21`	`OrionBerlin`	`directhex, yes i want an netinstall cd for Sid`
`09:30.22`	`deadcat`	`OrionBerlin: DONT /msg me`
`09:30.33`	`OrionBerlin`	`i got sarge and woody netinstall and now i want sid too`
`09:30.36`	`deadcat`	`OrionBerlin: boot the cd up, press f3`
`09:30.37`	`scarynetworkguy`	`OrionBerlin: Expert mode in the latest d-i will give that to you.`
`09:30.43`	`TinoW`	`CoooLLer: man mount, especially the user= option`
`09:31.01`	`jm_`	`CoooLLer: ignore that, man mount, look for uid, gid nad *mask options`
`09:31.12`	`OrionBerlin`	`mh ok i will try`
`09:31.14`	`CoooLLer`	`oh...ok i'll try. thanks`
`09:31.16`	`OrionBerlin`	`thanks cu soon`
`09:31.17`	`TinoW`	`erm, yes. uid`
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`09:31.45`	`nullvoid`	`fuse: Unknown symbol vfs_permission ---- fuse: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted. <--- what does this mean, how do I fix this?`
`09:33.26`	`deadcat`	`whats it mean "kernel oop" or oops?`
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`09:34.15`	`kenboo`	`it dumps stack trace`
`09:34.27`	`deadcat`	`panic?`
`09:34.47`	`kenboo`	`not necessarily. i think.`
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`09:35.31`	`jm_`	`deadcat: some are fatal, some aren't`
`09:36.08`	`deadcat`	`jm_: so when they write kernel oops, they mean kernel panics, fatal and/or non-fatal?`
`09:36.25`	`jm_`	`deadcat: yes`
`09:36.28`	`deadcat`	`thanks`
`09:36.37`	`deadcat`	`damn berkeley mirros is down.`
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`09:42.11`	`gwada`	`hi`
`09:42.36`	`Selecter`	`How to download jigdo cdimages? $ jigdo-file make-image -j sarge-i386-1.jigdo`
`09:42.37`	`Selecter`	`Found 0 of the 1182 files required by the template`
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`09:43.19`	`Selecter`	`manual and miniHowto didn't help at all`
`09:43.35`	`Selecter`	`second is old as woody :)`
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`09:44.39`	`gatesi`	`anyone outthere using package php4-auth-pam?`
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`09:49.00`	`toukitsune`	`NOTHING WORKS!!!!!`
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`09:49.24`	`Coke`	`toukitsune: try giving her flowers`
`09:49.45`	`TTT`	`hi, is anyone here using sarge kernel 2.4.27-i686-smp on a dual-pentium-III machine? Because it doesn't boot up on our one, i was just thinking, is this a problem with our config, or is it a bug in debian kernel?`
`09:49.47`	`toukitsune`	`this is ticking me off on how much of a pain things are after I change my CDRW with a DVD +- RW`
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`09:50.04`	`toukitsune`	`now I cannot burn CDs`
`09:50.27`	`toukitsune`	`and no matter what frontend I use it seems I cannot burn CDs or DVDs`
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`09:51.57`	`gatesi`	`package php4-auth-pam is no more in testing-release? why? unstable version is not working. it?s mandatory for the webserver i am working on. help please?`
`09:52.24`	`Selecter`	`TTT, why do you think it doesn't boot up?`
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`09:53.01`	`gatesi`	`@toukitsine: try enabling scsi emulation for your cd-rw drive. k3b from kde is a very nice frontend for burnin cd-r`
`09:53.22`	`Delph`	`toukitsune: well, can you use the backend =:)`
`09:53.57`	`sep`	`TTT: you have to be more spesific in _how_ it dosnt boot where it stops and with what error message. it dosnt boot can be everything from grub to initrd..`
`09:54.11`	`Selecter`	`Will someone help me with this wrecker jigdo?`
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`09:54.32`	`TTT`	`1 sec, i'm not the admin,`
`09:54.41`	`TTT`	`1st thing it prints some interesting garbage`
`09:55.01`	`TTT`	`i'll paste 3 lines here`
`09:55.08`	`TTT`	`Mar 8 10:23:35 server kernel: Processors:2 0 8`
`09:55.30`	`TTT`	`B2063 \N 68402 1 8`
`09:55.32`	`TTT`	`B2060 446391 68402 1 8`
`09:55.37`	`TTT`	`and lots of lines starting with Bxxxxxx`
`09:55.40`	`TTT`	`is that normal?`
`09:55.56`	`Selecter`	`I think so`
`09:56.35`	`Selecter`	`But not sure :)`
`09:56.46`	`gatesi`	`@TTT: seems to be a hw-bug :)`
`09:57.18`	`Selecter`	`Some hardware is just doesn't suite for 2.4 or below`
`09:57.19`	`gatesi`	`jigdo-help? what?s the problem?`
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`09:57.36`	`balony`	`What boot images supports the megaraid2 driver and e1000 ?`
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`09:58.21`	`nullvoid`	`where can I refer to compile 3rd party kernel in debian way?`
`09:58.22`	`Selecter`	`gatesi, I can't download the damn isos. I will paste in #flood ok?`
`09:59.04`	`Selecter`	`oh.. PM still works anyway`
`09:59.07`	`toukitsune`	`I am too confused by the command line stuff`
`09:59.15`	`TTT`	`Selecter, sorry, i can't get more details, the people who have physical access to the box aren't computer-savy, and I can only get ssh access which doesn't help much when the system doesn't come up`
`09:59.26`	`gatesi`	`Selecter: do you use jigdo-lite? i recommend that.`
`09:59.34`	`TTT`	`i can get ping for some time after bootup, but then it just stops`
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`10:00.13`	`toukitsune`	`I just dont get why when I change my CD RW to a DVD +- RW I cannot even burn CDs anymore`
`10:00.31`	`sep`	`ttt have the not savy ppl videotape the boot prosess and send you a file :) lol`
`10:00.34`	`tyreth`	`I just installed xfree86 and it used debconf I think to configure it. I want to use that again to configure x (because I overwrote the config). is that possible?`
`10:01.01`	`TTT`	`sep, that's quite a good idea, or fly to finland myself (~800 km)to see it...`
`10:01.32`	`sep`	`ttt you have heard ot kvm's right ? that sounds like a nice investment`
`10:01.54`	`TTT`	`how will a kvm help ? you mean a kvm with a remote access?`
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`10:02.18`	`sep`	`TTT: yes ofcouse, you get rather cheap boxes for 1 server with web interfaces and viewer`
`10:02.37`	`TTT`	`hmm`
`10:02.42`	`TTT`	`i'll think about i`
`10:02.42`	`TTT`	`it`
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`10:02.51`	`PerfDave`	`Or have a console server and a proper BIOS which lets you access the boot process over the serial port ;)`
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`10:04.06`	`nullvoid`	`PerfDave: I downloaded latest fuse, I want to create .deb out out that, where can I refer to?`
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`10:04.50`	`PerfDave`	`!dnm`
`10:04.50`	`dpkg`	`Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals`
`10:04.55`	`PerfDave`	`nullvoid: ^^`
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`10:06.37`	`nullvoid`	`PerfDave: I am compiling a kernel module, so sould I choose Making a Debian Package?`
`10:07.00`	`PerfDave`	`nullvoid: Fuse is a kernel module? No idea then, unless module-assistant supports it`
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`10:07.27`	`Selecter`	`gatesi, thanks. it worked`
`10:07.32`	`Gumby`	`could anyone lend a quick hand... I am compiling hostap modules and I have grabbed the hostap-source and kernel-source-2.6.10 using apt. Other than extracting the kernel source and possibly making a symlink to /usr/src/linux, is there anything I need to do to prep the kernel-source so I can build the hostap module?`
`10:07.39`	`nullvoid`	`PerfDave:had you heard about GmailFS ?`
`10:08.11`	`PerfDave`	`nullvoid: I was dimly aware of its existence, but I understand that it violates gmail's TOS. Either way, I don't use gmail.`
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`10:08.22`	`Active2`	`nullvoid: Raid-5 GmailFS :)`
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`10:09.29`	`EvanCarroll`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:09.30`	`nullvoid`	`Active2: what's that?`
`10:09.36`	`EvanCarroll`	`someone did a raid5 with gmailfs`
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`10:09.45`	`EvanCarroll`	`why thats one of the cooelst ideas i have heard of in along time`
`10:09.45`	`nullvoid`	`wow`
`10:10.04`	`nullvoid`	`Active2: did you compile fuse-2.2 ?`
`10:10.05`	`Active2`	`i don't use gmail at all... but heard it from someone who uses it`
`10:10.06`	`EvanCarroll`	`I wonder what the throughput on that is`
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`10:10.29`	`Active2`	`nullvoid: what's that ?`
`10:10.31`	`EvanCarroll`	`i would like to see a -tT on a gmailfs`
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`10:11.21`	`Active2`	`EvanCarr1ll: bonnie++ (hdparm isn't accurate)`
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`10:12.05`	`FaithX`	`which is the first in the Lord of the Rings Movie series???`
`10:12.09`	`EvanCarroll`	`i like my hdparm`
`10:12.15`	`sep`	`EvanCarroll: whats the point of a raid5 on gmailfs? if gmail dies it's all gone, a raid over gmail+hotmail+yahoo would make more sense :P`
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`10:12.53`	`jc-denton`	`i forgot to create a swap disk when setting up the system`
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`10:12.54`	`EvanCarroll`	`sep: thats a good point, but my my goal is 'pointless' its purpose is amusement`
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`10:13.14`	`jc-denton`	`now i tought that i could use parted to resize an existing partition and create a new one`
`10:13.14`	`EvanCarroll`	`I guess though a jbod of gmail would be just as l33t`
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`10:13.26`	`jc-denton`	`but fdisk/cfdisk just tells me that the space is unusable`
`10:13.30`	`ricky_clarkson`	`PerfDave: What was abrotman going on about me, 23:44 last night?`
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`10:13.59`	`EvanCarroll`	`ricky_clarkson: I have logs, want them?`
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`10:15.13`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Nah, s'ok, I'll just be less lazy.`
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`10:16.01`	`cromd`	`greetings all, i've set up dhcp, which seems to be working, but i can't ping other networks, is there something i'm missing here?`
`10:16.27`	`valdyn`	`cromd: have you set up a gateway in your dhcpd?`
`10:16.30`	`nevyn`	`are you sending a default-router in the dhcp lease?`
`10:16.41`	`ricky_clarkson`	`It takes ages to scroll back through #debian`
`10:17.00`	`cromd`	`i didn't use "default-router" ... i used "option routers"`
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`10:17.03`	`EvanCarroll`	`ricky_clarkson: rawlog and grep`
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`10:17.32`	`toukitsune`	`nothing seems to work with my DVD RW at all`
`10:17.55`	`toukitsune`	`except maybe the command lines but I dont know how to work command line things`
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`10:18.44`	`Walker`	`www.otomotivshow.com`
`10:18.47`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: yes add your gateway`
`10:18.49`	`cromd`	`valdyn ... i've just noticed, while when i use /etc/init.d/dhcp restart, everything works fine, when i use dhcpd restart, i get an error message about no subnet declaration for restart`
`10:18.55`	`toukitsune`	`and so far what I been told to do was change frontends but the backend remains the same`
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`10:19.09`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: or resolv.conf address if either have failed`
`10:19.15`	`cromd`	`EvanCarrol, does that require the literal "option routers"?`
`10:19.48`	`valdyn`	`cromd: it would be strange of "dhcpd restart" worked`
`10:19.55`	`toukitsune`	`cant I get any real help with this problem`
`10:19.55`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: no, and dhcpd, is for making your computer into a dhcp server, dhcp is the clientside program that requests a lease for an ip`
`10:20.00`	`cromd`	`as opposed to "default router"?`
`10:20.05`	`valdyn`	`cromd: it would be strange if "dhcpd restart" worked`
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`10:20.25`	`toukitsune`	`and I am not going to DL k3b eather`
`10:20.27`	`cromd`	`and just adding "option routers" fixes that?`
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`10:20.45`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: is you can ping an ip but not a DNS name the problem is in /etc/resolv.conf, if you can't escape your network then you need to type 'route add default gw IP'`
`10:20.51`	`cromd`	`sorry, just adding "default router" fixes that?`
`10:20.53`	`EvanCarroll`	`where ip is the ip address of your gateway`
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`10:21.35`	`cromd`	`well, that's 192.168.2.200 ... i'm using the expression "option routers 192.168.2.200"`
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`10:21.47`	`valdyn`	`cromd: option routers 192.168.1.1; ( for example ), that is all you need`
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`10:21.56`	`cromd`	`thanks valdyn`
`10:21.56`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: not sure where you are putting default router, or option router, never used either one of those commands to my knowledge -- i usually prefer statically assigning my boxes because i work with more server ended linux`
`10:22.12`	`toukitsune`	`Come on someone has to have some inteligence in here to help me`
`10:22.35`	`cromd`	`makes sense EvanCarroll, it's a special case though, i've got to simulate someone else's setup`
`10:22.38`	`EvanCarroll`	`toukitsune: stop pouting, if your going to spam dumb shit spam your problem =/`
`10:22.48`	`valdyn`	`cromd: what is not working now?`
`10:23.02`	`toukitsune`	`I said what my problem was`
`10:23.08`	`Balu`	`Hey guys, does anyone know a console tool to "synchronize" a local directory to an ftp server (not a mirror-once-tool, but something that keeps updating the ftp while I change files locally)`
`10:23.11`	`cromd`	`just a tick valdyn ... still gettting used to GUIs :)`
`10:23.21`	`toukitsune`	`but all I got was to change frontedns when it was the backend giveing the error`
`10:23.57`	`cromd`	`valdyn, i actually had that in my dhcpd.conf`
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`10:24.16`	`sep`	`Balu: no matter what you use it will have to mirror-once then do it again regularly, and if you can use rsync againt that server of yours that's the best`
`10:24.21`	`woody`	`ls`
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`10:25.40`	`Balu`	`sep: I can not use rsync :-( - and my goal was to not have to do it regularly, but keep the tool checking for changes in my local dir and transfer them to the server`
`10:26.01`	`valdyn`	`Balu: man rsync`
`10:26.02`	`toukitsune`	`Damn it I need to burn a CD tonight and I realy need help getting things working`
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`10:26.28`	`Balu`	`valdyn: no rsync on the server`
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`10:26.31`	`EvanCarroll`	`Balu: if you don't know perl, and your are good with unix what you could do is chron a bash script that keeps a copy of ls in a file ls1, copy of ls in a file ls2, and when diff returns a difference execute the mirror command - but this task is better taken care of with a real language like perl`
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`10:27.31`	`toukitsune`	`What do I have to do to get any help`
`10:27.50`	`EvanCarroll`	`ls -l > ls1; ls -l > ls2; if [ ls1 diff ls2 ] /bin/uploadprog ./ls1; ls -l > ls1; fi; or something`
`10:28.25`	`EvanCarroll`	`toukitsune: what you need to do is keep asking for help rather than repeating your problem`
`10:28.29`	`Balu`	`EvanCarroll: One problem is that the mirror command always has to index the files on the server too which takes too long... :-/`
`10:28.32`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: stop whining , ask a question that makes sense to answer`
`10:28.51`	`EvanCarroll`	`Balu: witha little elaboration you could acomplish that with my shitty bash script of doom`
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`10:29.07`	`NP_complete`	`hi all`
`10:29.18`	`schuler`	`toukitsune: read CD-Writing-HOWTO (www.tldp.org)`
`10:29.23`	`NP_complete`	`how to know if i'm on a switched network?`
`10:29.33`	`Belping--`	`can anyone help me setup my ftp server? it doesn't do a LIST properly...`
`10:29.34`	`toukitsune`	`I have asked a question half an hour ago and still havent gotten any help other then changeing my front end when its the back end giveing the problem and each frontend uses the same backend`
`10:29.34`	`EvanCarroll`	`!tell toukitsune about cdrw`
`10:29.35`	`Balu`	`EvanCarroll: of course... I just was lazy and thought there has to be something like this in whatever language already :)`
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`10:29.48`	`EvanCarroll`	`Balu: im sure cpan has this`
`10:29.49`	`Delph`	`toukitsune: what error is the backend giving you?`
`10:29.52`	`valdyn`	`!tell toukitsune about ask`
`10:29.54`	`cromd`	`EvanCarroll: this sounds wierd, but maybe it's not, my box with the dhcp client is actually getting an IP, it's even getting the DNS servers in it's resolv.conf, but when i bring the interface down and up again, all this works, but it comes up with a "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" error ... does that suggest anything?`
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`10:29.56`	`valdyn`	`!tell toukitsune about whine`
`10:30.02`	`valdyn`	`!tell toukitsune about troll`
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`10:30.13`	`Delph`	`tell valdyn about shuush already`
`10:30.21`	`valdyn`	`hah`
`10:30.37`	`toukitsune`	`My CDRW worked fine with xcdroast untell I got a DVD burner`
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`10:30.58`	`toukitsune`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`10:31.05`	`toukitsune`	`there is the error... again`
`10:31.33`	`Delph`	`well, turn off session-at-once recording, then?`
`10:31.48`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: do you have an iso image ready to be burned?`
`10:31.50`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: usually siocaddrt errors are ignorable, as it will bitch about anything, however that one would suggest a routing problem, what i would suggest is you try to manually assign your up, if that works then try dhcp again, also make sure you are running if-up, and if-down, rather than one of the many other ways to gain a dhcp address`
`10:32.12`	`toukitsune`	`no I dont have an iso immage`
`10:32.26`	`EvanCarroll`	`if-up and if-down will or should take care of cleaning up the mess your dhcp client will make, and getting it ready to be reissued an address`
`10:32.31`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: can you make one?`
`10:32.49`	`toukitsune`	`dont know how to do from command line`
`10:32.58`	`Delph`	`toukitsune: man mkisofs; man cdrecord`
`10:33.12`	`treestone`	`toukitsune: Can't you change the write options for the drive in the write options menu`
`10:33.19`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: I don't care how you do it, if you can do it with a gui, do it, then we can show you how to burn from command line`
`10:33.26`	`treestone`	`(in xcdroast) Meant setup menu`
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`10:33.50`	`Delph`	`treestone: random clicking (and hoping) is never a good idea`
`10:34.01`	`cromd`	`no go EvanCarroll, i can't even ping the gateway's network from that box (it's on a network pretty well on it's own, the only other member is the box with the dhcp server)`
`10:34.04`	`ricky_clarkson`	`It is in Lotus Notes.`
`10:34.04`	`valdyn`	`a dvd burner not being able to do sao would be strange, no?`
`10:34.13`	`dannyp`	`what is the next generation of removable storage, and how far away is it from being here? DVDs are way too small`
`10:34.15`	`Delph`	`valdyn: is session-at-once the incremental burning?`
`10:34.18`	`treestone`	`Delph: It's not particularly random to visit the setup menu if the error message is a complaint about non-supported writing mode.`
`10:34.21`	`toukitsune`	`write mode is fixed as disk at once`
`10:34.21`	`ricky_clarkson`	`If you randomly click enough you can bring down the Lotus Domino server, which is a Good Thing.`
`10:34.29`	`toukitsune`	`on xcdroast`
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`10:34.46`	`valdyn`	`Delph: i think its similar to disk at once`
`10:34.54`	`snail`	`dannyp: tapes are alawys there...`
`10:34.57`	`dannyp`	`is it just blue-wavelength incarnations of the current discs? is that all I have to look forward to?`
`10:35.01`	`treestone`	`ricky_clarkson: Heh, agreed (it's Good Thing)`
`10:35.03`	`valdyn`	`Delph: certainly not incremental burning, that would be udf`
`10:35.07`	`Delph`	`oh no; it's when you burn sets of data at once.`
`10:35.10`	`dannyp`	`well, sure, but for what I'm working with, tape buys me exactly nothing`
`10:35.19`	`cromd`	`EvanCarroll ... this is going to be one of those terribly naiave and embarassing questions ... do i have to do anything to make the DHCP server communicate between it's two nic interfaces?`
`10:35.26`	`Delph`	`but don't close it at the end, so you can burn multiple lumps to it.`
`10:35.30`	`toukitsune`	`but now I have another error`
`10:35.36`	`valdyn`	`Delph: well, udf or burning data W/O finalising the disk accomplishes incremental burning`
`10:35.42`	`toukitsune`	`cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording.`
`10:35.47`	`dannyp`	`I'm working with DV; if I wanted to deal with tape, I'd just dump it back`
`10:35.53`	`valdyn`	`Delph: yea that is it`
`10:36.05`	`Gumby`	`I am trying to build a kernel module and I have downloaded the kernel-source file and extracted it. When I try to build the module I am getting a lot of errors. Is there something that needs to be done to the kernel-source to prepare it for building modules??`
`10:36.11`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: make an iso image first`
`10:36.17`	`treestone`	`toukitsune: So what drive is it, then?`
`10:36.18`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: that error is misleading im sure`
`10:36.21`	`Delph`	`toukitsune: indeed.`
`10:36.23`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: Not to my knowledge, the unix convention is to accept requests on all interfaces unless specified elsewhere, the number 0 is used to designate all interfaces, however -- i could be wrong`
`10:36.43`	`Delph`	`toukitsune: it might be worth doing a cdrecord -<whatever verbose is> -<whatever list available drives is>`
`10:36.49`	`Delph`	`i think -v -l`
`10:36.49`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: mkisofs /path/to/data > image.iso`
`10:37.00`	`cromd`	`oh well, thanks for the semi-reassurance EvanCarroll :)`
`10:37.00`	`toukitsune`	`I made an ISO image with xcdroast`
`10:37.05`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: now if your getting the dhcp ip address, then ipso facto it must be working`
`10:37.08`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: great`
`10:37.16`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: now, which device is your burner?`
`10:37.25`	`cromd`	`well, you'd think so EvanCarroll ... maybe i'm asking the wrong question :)`
`10:37.31`	`toukitsune`	`um.... /dev/hdc`
`10:37.37`	`treestone`	`toukitsune: Vendor!`
`10:37.55`	`toukitsune`	`um let me find the box`
`10:38.07`	`treestone`	`toukitsune: It should be visible in xcdroast`
`10:38.07`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: cat /proc/ide/hdc/model, tell us the output`
`10:38.17`	`PerfDave`	`ricky_clarkson: IRC stats`
`10:38.17`	`cromd`	`EvanCarroll ... the only thing my dhcp client box can see is the dhcp server box ... obviously i want it to connect to the internet, i've got ipmasq and dnsmasq installed ... is there anything i've not thought of?`
`10:38.25`	`ricky_clarkson`	`PerfDave: I scrolled.`
`10:38.35`	`sep`	`cromd: i have not been following your conversation, but when you asked about dhcp server communicate between your nic's are you actualy meaning that you are trying to use your dhcp server as a (nat?) router ?`
`10:38.50`	`toukitsune`	`GENERIC DVD RW 12XMax`
`10:38.57`	`cromd`	`that also sep, yes`
`10:39.06`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: yes there is, can the dhcpd box access the internet? and in that configuration is the dhcpd box the gateway in route`
`10:39.22`	`dannyp`	`I'm going to feel mighty foolish if I split a project up onto 20 DVDs and a couple years later, a big new 47 gigabyte format comes out`
`10:39.26`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: ok, great, now try "cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc youriso.iso"`
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`10:39.57`	`cromd`	`dhcpd box is what we're talking through now EvanCarroll ... as to the rest of the question, it's a little over my head :-(`
`10:39.59`	`ricky_clarkson`	`PerfDave: I don't know why I'm blue on there.`
`10:40.10`	`Delph`	`toukitsune: be careful where you crosspost =:)`
`10:40.14`	`valdyn`	`dannyp: you probably never had few hunderd ~720kb disks?`
`10:40.23`	`ricky_clarkson`	`valdyn: I did.`
`10:40.24`	`dannyp`	`valdyn: No, I did`
`10:40.29`	`ricky_clarkson`	`valdyn: Well, 880K actually.`
`10:40.35`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: type 'route \| grep default' on the box in question, the one that can't access the internet`
`10:40.39`	`dannyp`	`they just all contained different stuff`
`10:40.42`	`dannyp`	`not one massive project`
`10:40.48`	`sep`	`cromd: if you want a very easy solution then remove your ipmasq then apt-get install shorewall, then go here fir a easy tutorial on how to configute it http://www.shorewall.net/two-interface.htm`
`10:40.49`	`valdyn`	`ricky_clarkson: yea, amiga`
`10:40.51`	`cromd`	`EvanCarroll ... this box, with the dhcpd server, gets it's packets from the gateway, which it shares on the 192.168.2 network.`
`10:40.54`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Aye.`
`10:40.59`	`dannyp`	`I guess I had a couple games that were split up among 10-15 disks or so`
`10:41.03`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: did you try that?`
`10:41.12`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Monkey Island II was about 12 floppies iirc.`
`10:41.38`	`cromd`	`sep, i'm almost tempted ... but i've done this before, i know it worked easily the last time, and i'm buggered if i'll walk away from the problem. Call me proud, i don't care :)`
`10:41.42`	`dannyp`	`I guess I should suck it up and cope with splitting a project up onto 20 DVDs. Could be worse, I guess.`
`10:41.49`	`toukitsune`	`yep and does nothing but list out bunches of errors`
`10:41.55`	`dannyp`	`what I really need is access to an 8x DVD-R`
`10:41.58`	`TinoW`	`ricky_clarkson: it runned well off a harddisk ;)`
`10:42.08`	`cromd`	`sep, i'm noting shorewall for future reference though :)`
`10:42.09`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: let us know what the errors are, start with the first error message`
`10:42.10`	`toukitsune`	`like cannot open scsi driver and stuff`
`10:42.27`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: literally, not your interpretation )`
`10:42.29`	`dannyp`	`if not one of those plextor 16Xs that promises to work with media certified to burn at 8x`
`10:42.35`	`cromd`	`sep, i use hwFirewall on my gateway, are you familiar with it?`
`10:42.45`	`sep`	`cromd: well what exactly was your issue, is the client not getting dhcp right or is the router not routing right ?`
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`10:42.49`	`sep`	`cromd: never`
`10:42.50`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: im not sure of yout network topology, but if you have a connection to both the dhcp server and the gateway, then it sounds like thats a valid config, if you have to tunnel through the dhcp server to get to the gateway to the internet then you will have to modify that slightly`
`10:42.50`	`toukitsune`	`cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.8-1-k7`
`10:43.05`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: thats fine, not an error`
`10:43.11`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: next one )`
`10:43.11`	`toukitsune`	`cdrecord: Warning: Linux-2.6.8 introduced incompatible interface changes`
`10:43.17`	`Gumby`	`can anyone tell me if the kernel-source needss to be prepared somehow before it will build modules?`
`10:43.23`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: don't bring warnings`
`10:43.29`	`stief`	`anyone know a tool to probe the monitor that i'm using? because i used the only "xfree86 modeline generator" but it doesn't show a good resolution on my WXGA screen`
`10:43.34`	`cromd`	`sep, box with dhcp client is on the 192.168.3 network and can't communicate with anything on the 192.168.2 network, or the internet, or anything else`
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`10:43.43`	`TinoW`	`Gumby: make menuconfig or make xconfig or whatever`
`10:43.55`	`toukitsune`	`well thats all I got though was warnings`
`10:44.00`	`toukitsune`	`and it didnt do crap`
`10:44.02`	`cromd`	`sep, hwFirewall (hardwall firewall) is what we're running here, works a treat :)`
`10:44.05`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: warnings are just that, warnings, we want errors`
`10:44.25`	`toukitsune`	`well other then warnings there was nothing`
`10:44.25`	`TinoW`	`the best firewall is the removed plug ;)`
`10:44.34`	`toukitsune`	`and not even an attempt to burn CDs`
`10:44.34`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: so things worked?`
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`10:44.51`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: did you try this as root or as user?`
`10:44.55`	`toukitsune`	`no it did nothing just fed warnings and then went to command prompt`
`10:45.05`	`toukitsune`	`I am as root`
`10:45.07`	`cromd`	`i'm not sure about what tunnelling is EvanCarroll, this box (dhcp server) has one nic to the client box, and another nic to the gateway network ... sounds like it should work, shouldn't it?`
`10:45.25`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: no`
`10:45.26`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: "ls -l youriso"`
`10:45.40`	`cromd`	`aha ... what have i missed EvanCarroll?`
`10:45.49`	`ricky_clarkson`	`TinoW: Not all of us could afford hard drives.`
`10:45.52`	`MrEd`	`Any XFS Gurus? I have had a hosed filesystem. Got bit by the 2.6.10 NFS bug. Can anybody tell me if it is worth salvaging?`
`10:45.53`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: If your dhcp server has 2 nics, one to the client one to the gateway, then the clients gateway is the dhcp server, who's gateway is 'the gateway'`
`10:46.06`	`cromd`	`LOL`
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`10:46.33`	`dannyp`	`cromd: "gateway" is interchangable with first router/next hop`
`10:46.36`	`cromd`	`EvanCarroll ... should i make the routers option in the dhcpd.conf point to the dhcpd server box itself?`
`10:46.44`	`sep`	`cromd, your dhcp server also have a nic in 192.168.3.0/24 then i assume and your client can ping that interface ?`
`10:46.46`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: gateway refers to the computer giving you access to the network, you have what is referred to as a double stub topology, or bus/chain topolgy`
`10:46.49`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Gateway and router are interchangable terms.`
`10:46.50`	`Gumby`	`TinoW: thats it? I've tried compiling both the hostap-source debian package as well as from the hostap website and they both fail with the same error. and I have already done make oldconfig`
`10:47.06`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: yes, that would be the correct configuration as i understand it`
`10:47.14`	`TinoW`	`Gumby: ah, you want to compile external modules?!`
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`10:47.30`	`cromd`	`back in a tick ... phone call`
`10:47.32`	`TinoW`	Gumby: if you have a dist kernel, just install kernel-headers-`uname -r` to them
`10:47.33`	`valdyn`	`stief: apt-get install videogen to generate modes, "read-edid \| parse-edid"to query your monitor`
`10:47.37`	`dannyp`	`ricky_clarkson: well, no, technically gateway only refers to the first router. but I am being a pedant`
`10:47.52`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: "ls -l youriso"`
`10:47.57`	`toukitsune`	`hmmm its working now. I guess I am on user account... thought I was on root`
`10:48.06`	`Gumby`	`TinoW: great thx`
`10:48.11`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: What your computer is doing is its trying to ping a device that is not attached to through another device that is has no knowledge of`
`10:48.18`	`toukitsune`	`-rw-r--r-- 1 toukitsune aokaze 69769216 2005-03-08 01:45 /tmp/track-01.iso`
`10:48.23`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: type "groups" as user`
`10:48.44`	`stief`	`valdyn: thanks a lot, i have the monitor specs next to me, with OSX i can get a real sharp image, but with linux i haven't got it to work _yet_ :-)`
`10:48.52`	`toukitsune`	`aokaze audio`
`10:49.21`	`valdyn`	`stief: then I'd use videogen, gets you modes exactly on the upper limit, if you want`
`10:49.34`	`stief`	`valdyn: perfect :-)`
`10:49.43`	`stief`	`valdyn: i should run it when X isn't running i guess?`
`10:49.50`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: get it working?`
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`10:50.17`	`valdyn`	`stief: it doesnt rely on X, you put the modes you want and your display / gfx card specs into ~/.videogen and just run it`
`10:50.33`	`grivell`	`Anyone know how to go to the "next page" on blootbots listkeys?`
`10:50.37`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: after you rightfully configure your dhcpd.conf, you should if-down if-up on the client, and the changes should be reflected in 'route \| grep default'`
`10:50.48`	`toukitsune`	`darn burned in single session mode x.x. I dont get it though it burned in tao mode on command line but wont in xcdroast`
`10:51.00`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: add yourself to the group cdrom`
`10:51.04`	`stief`	`valdyn: okee, i'm running GDM how do i get that login screen to read ~/.videogen then?`
`10:51.25`	`jana_ta`	`exit`
`10:51.32`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: "adduser toukitsune cdrom". Then log out and back in, and you might be able to burn as user`
`10:51.41`	`toukitsune`	`I dont have a group cdrom`
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`10:52.08`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: you do have a group cdrom, you're just not in it, ( ls -l /dev/hdc )`
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`10:52.42`	`toukitsune`	`brw-rw-r-- 1 root disk 22, 0 2004-09-18 05:51 /dev/hdc`
`10:52.52`	`ricky_clarkson`	`dannyp: What reference proves this?`
`10:52.52`	`VoX`	`where do i find the files for setiathome, when installed from the debian package? ie: the .sah files`
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`10:53.02`	`valdyn`	`stief: no, you run videogen, it will spit out modelines, you put those modelines into /etc/X11/XF86Config-4`
`10:53.09`	`ricky_clarkson`	`VoX: dpkg -L setiathome`
`10:53.24`	`toukitsune`	`but I use to be able to burn CDs from xcdroast without having to add myself to any groups`
`10:53.31`	`dannyp`	`ricky_clarkson: that "gateway" refers only to your first router?`
`10:53.33`	`stief`	`valdyn: perfect, will it also probe the monitor as well? or i just need to fill in the specs and it will calculate the modeline only?`
`10:53.38`	`dannyp`	`ah, you are challenging me to find a difficult cite. off I go`
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`10:53.50`	`toukitsune`	`it all went complicated when I added the DVD burner`
`10:54.01`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: because the relevant tools ran suid`
`10:54.28`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: i have NO idea why they do not do that right now, but they shouldnt run suid anyway so being in that group is better`
`10:54.36`	`toukitsune`	`xcdroast still does though. I didnt change anything with xcdroast`
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`10:55.05`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: no idea, i don't use xcdroast, it just sucks i think personally`
`10:55.06`	`ricky_clarkson`	`dannyp: I teach networking, just want to make sure I use the right terms.`
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`10:55.44`	`toukitsune`	`it may suck but I perfer a frontend that I can use`
`10:56.06`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: understandable, try k3b for a decent one )`
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`10:56.16`	`cromd`	`EvanCarroll ... i'm not sure how you worked out from my garbled requests what i was doing wrong, but you hit the nail right on the head! Brilliant!`
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`10:56.29`	`toukitsune`	`um that requires I DL 40mb and I cannot afford that space right now`
`10:56.49`	`EvanCarroll`	`ricky_clarkson: the terminolgy changes with context, as it applies in dhcp.conf the gateway referers to the box connecting you with the destination network, on a bus or chain topology that is the next box upstream`
`10:56.52`	`dannyp`	`ricky_clarkson: anyhow, having visited RFC1009 and the Cerf/Khan paper, I'm going to retract my statement. It's what I was taught, but does not seem to be authoritatively defined anywhere, and sources of note define gateway = router.`
`10:56.57`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: Not a problem, i aim to please`
`10:57.00`	`cromd`	`thanks for all your help and suggestions everyone else, greatly appreciated :)`
`10:57.04`	`valdyn`	`stief: videogen doesnt probe anything`
`10:57.04`	`dannyp`	`you learn every day`
`10:57.14`	`ricky_clarkson`	`dannyp: If you're going to be pedantic, be correct. ;)`
`10:57.15`	`cromd`	`EvanCarroll, i wouldn't wish it on anyone, but you'd be great at helpdesk`
`10:57.16`	`valdyn`	`stief: you have to add all specs to ~/.videogen`
`10:57.17`	`toukitsune`	`I do have one more question though`
`10:57.38`	`dannyp`	`videogen, eh? and all these years I've been making modelines with nothing but specs and xvidtune`
`10:57.40`	`toukitsune`	`how come I do not have a /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd?`
`10:57.43`	`EvanCarroll`	`cromd: I would probably take a job at a help desk right about now, i just lost mine last month =/`
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`10:57.52`	`dannyp`	`ricky_clarkson: touche, touche, you've made your point :)`
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`10:58.15`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: are you using udev?`
`10:58.27`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: cd /.dev/ to test for that`
`10:58.35`	`toukitsune`	`dont think so as I dont know what udev is`
`10:58.46`	`EvanCarroll`	`!udev`
`10:58.46`	`dpkg`	`i guess udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit`
`10:59.03`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: so, as root, run ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom`
`10:59.04`	`toukitsune`	`bash: cd: /.dev/: No such file or directory`
`10:59.21`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: ok, then you don't have udev and can run the command above`
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`10:59.28`	`EvanCarroll`	`toukitsune: he said /dev/ not /.dev/`
`10:59.33`	`stief`	`valdyn: okee it has generated Modeline "1280x768" 98.65 1280 1320 1368 1640 768 770 773 808 # 99 MHz, 60.1 kHz, 74.4 Hz`
`10:59.40`	`stief`	`valdyn: i'm gonna try it out right away :-)`
`10:59.49`	`toukitsune`	`valdyn toukitsune: cd /.dev/ to test for that`
`10:59.55`	`Delph`	`EvanCarroll: no; he said /.dev/`
`10:59.57`	`toukitsune`	`he said /.dev/`
`10:59.57`	`Delph`	`=:)`
`11:00.06`	`EvanCarroll`	`Delph: did he now =/ my bad sorry`
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`11:00.26`	`EvanCarroll`	`never heard of /.dev/`
`11:00.43`	`valdyn`	`thats where udev mounts the original /dev/`
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`11:01.00`	`inc\|freaky`	`how can i play .acm (atrac3) audio files with linux?`
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`11:01.11`	`EvanCarroll`	`hrm it must destroy it after it is mounted, i don't have a /.dev/`
`11:01.12`	`inc\|freaky`	`i searched on google but i cant find anything helping me`
`11:01.17`	`toukitsune`	`I dont care about linking but just was wondering why others have thoes automaticly created and I dont`
`11:01.24`	`EvanCarroll`	`oh yes i do`
`11:01.27`	`EvanCarroll`	`thats interesting`
`11:01.32`	`EvanCarroll`	`i guess you learn something new ever day`
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`11:01.59`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: maybe discover does that, i don't really know`
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`11:02.58`	`dannyp`	`inc\|freaky: I believe mplayer should do it if you've installed win32-codecs`
`11:03.16`	`inc\|freaky`	`dannyp: it doesnt - says "no stream"`
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`11:03.28`	`dannyp`	`you have win32-codecs installed?`
`11:03.31`	`inc\|freaky`	`yea`
`11:03.34`	`cromd`	`good luck EvanCarroll, you deserve it`
`11:03.37`	`inc\|freaky`	`i think i have to install realplayer codecs`
`11:03.41`	`inc\|freaky`	`where can i find it?`
`11:03.50`	`inc\|freaky`	`for linux`
`11:03.53`	`valdyn`	`toukitsune: inc\|freaky "atrac3.acm", is in "win32codecs", which is at marillat`
`11:04.06`	`inc\|freaky`	`valdyn: i got win32codecs installed`
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`11:04.15`	`PerfDave`	`inc\|freaky: Tell the providers of this audio file to use sensible, open formats like Ogg Vorbis :)`
`11:04.25`	`stief`	`valdyn: hmmm stills looks not good, i used this command line to generate the modeline...`
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`11:04.36`	`stief`	`valdyn: videogen -v -m=1280x768 -mdc=102.977 -mhf=60.150 -mvf=75 -nv`
`11:04.41`	`dannyp`	`PerfDave: atrac3 is the format of minidiscs`
`11:04.54`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: And?`
`11:04.57`	`valdyn`	`stief: the modeline looks fine, what is not working?`
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`11:05.08`	`inc\|freaky`	`PerfDave: its from sony :\`
`11:05.14`	`stief`	`valdyn: well, i can hardly read my font`
`11:05.18`	`inc\|freaky`	`dannyp: and memory sticks`
`11:05.20`	`dannyp`	`PerfDave: and MD is an established standard, and not something where, even if sony wanted to, could be moved to ogg vorbis`
`11:05.22`	`inc\|freaky`	`by sony`
`11:05.30`	`PerfDave`	`inc\|freaky: So e-mail them, say "I can't read this audio file, can you provide it in a sensible format"?`
`11:05.42`	`dannyp`	`well now, I don't support sony making /new/ formats that use atrac3, but that's another point`
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`11:05.59`	`inc\|freaky`	`dannyp: and especially not if they dont provide the support for it`
`11:06.00`	`stief`	`valdyn: also the images on my screen look a bit ... well not really clear picture`
`11:06.03`	`valdyn`	`stief: a modeline cant fix your default screen resolution, you need to use that resolution ( 1280x768 )`
`11:06.05`	`dannyp`	`PerfDave: ... I'm guessing he owns hardware that is creating the atrac3`
`11:06.15`	`inc\|freaky`	`btw, it cant find a package called "win32codecs" but i got marillat in my sources.list`
`11:06.26`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: Well, that's not evident from what inc\|freaky has said.`
`11:06.37`	`dannyp`	`inc\|freaky: I actually can't help you with package names, because I don't run debian on my desktop`
`11:06.43`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: But in that case, it's his own damnfool fault for buying hardware that's unsupported by Linux ;)`
`11:06.49`	`inc\|freaky`	`w32codecs is already the newest version.`
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`11:07.06`	`stief`	`valdyn: well if i do, $ xdpyinfo \| grep dimension i get dimensions: 1280x768 pixels (879x527 millimeters)`
`11:07.29`	`stief`	`valdyn: so it looks like it's at that resolution`
`11:07.39`	`Gumby`	`can anyone tell me if there is a way other than rebooting to make the system check its filespace? a partition I had was full and I just deleted a 2GB file, but it still shows as full`
`11:08.04`	`inc\|freaky`	`what are .msa files?`
`11:08.12`	`PerfDave`	`Gumby: Did you delete it as root? Was it owned by root? Are you using ext2 or ext3?`
`11:08.17`	`TinoW`	`Gumby: this is when you habe any application still has opened the file`
`11:08.21`	`valdyn`	`stief: try xvidtune or xrandr to see if its really using that mode, or look it up in /var/log/XFree86.0.log`
`11:08.22`	`TinoW`	`have`
`11:08.39`	`raghu`	`Gumby: updatedb`
`11:08.44`	`TinoW`	`Gumby: check with lsof or fuser before you delete`
`11:08.47`	`stief`	`valdyn: right away :-)`
`11:08.47`	`dannyp`	`PerfDave: I know that was tongue-in-cheek, but many of us have more important concerns when we obtain AV equipment than OS compatibility`
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`11:08.58`	`dannyp`	`I feel for the guy, having done more than my share of it myself`
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`11:09.11`	`Gumby`	`PerfDave: the file was deleted by root, and it was deleted without error. I am using ext3`
`11:09.18`	`dannyp`	`Gumby: that's really a filesystem specific question, but you can try 'sync'`
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`11:09.24`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: shrug It wasn't tongue in cheek at all. I don't buy hardware that my computer doesn't work with, so I don't end up in these stupid situations.`
`11:10.05`	`dannyp`	`PerfDave: well many of us have to work in the real world, where there's not always hardware available that's more compatible and yet still affordable and up to par with the standards for the job`
`11:10.06`	`PerfDave`	`Gumby: ext3 IIRC reserves by default 5% of the disk space for root, so you can still use the system when the disk is full. So deleting stuff in that 5% breathing space won't make any difference to the free space visible, possibly.`
`11:10.36`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: See this? It's the world's smallest violin, and it's playing just for you.`
`11:10.49`	`dannyp`	`cute`
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`11:10.55`	`stief`	`valdyn: brb restarting x again ;-)`
`11:10.55`	`Gumby`	`PerfDave: it was a 2GB file oon a 2.3GB partition :)`
`11:11.08`	`PerfDave`	`Gumby: Oh, fair enough. I'd go for the lsof option then ;)`
`11:11.08`	`TinoW`	`Gumby: try lsof \| grep <filename>`
`11:13.14`	`dannyp`	`PerfDave: anyhow, as someone who in this field prioritizes his AV equipment over his computer, I believe in hacking away at your computer until you can use your AV equipment, not changing your AV equipment to work with your computer`
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`11:14.03`	`Gumby`	`hrm, lsof showed nothing, but now the partition info is correct`
`11:14.12`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: Well, that's your prerogative. Personally, I find it easier just to buy shit that works in the first place.`
`11:14.30`	`abrocadabro`	`how can I check which file belongs to which package?`
`11:14.31`	`dannyp`	`a little persistance and know-how goes a long way. I do a good amount of video capturing and editing on FreeBSD, which is hardly a platform that video people flock to support`
`11:14.42`	`jm_`	`abrocadabro: try reading the FAQ`
`11:14.52`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: And by "works", I mean "works with Linux", not by kludging some windows DLLS onto my system.`
`11:14.55`	`Gumby`	`abrocadabro: apt-file`
`11:15.01`	`dannyp`	`PerfDave: except not that long ago, that would have meant not buying any video camera at all, because the free unices lacked decent firewire support`
`11:15.28`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: See that world's smallest violin? It's doing an encore.`
`11:15.44`	`dannyp`	`you're ignoring the point; sometimes it's the shortfall of the operating system, not the hardware`
`11:16.00`	`Delph`	`dannyp: no, usually it's the shortfall in the hardware manufacturer.`
`11:16.14`	`sep`	`dannyp: you blame the os becouse the hardware maked dont provide a driver ?`
`11:16.22`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: I'm not ignoring the point. If the hardware manufacturer wants me to use their kit, they'll make it so it works with my computer, and I'll reward them by giving them my money.`
`11:17.43`	`PerfDave`	`It's called "capitalism" ;)`
`11:18.13`	`dannyp`	`maybe my perspective is skewed because my desktop is running an OS that almsot never receives drivers from manufacturers, or maybe it's because of my experiences in hardware design, but I think it's the hardware manufacturer's responsiblity to provide data sheets and standards, and not drivers`
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`11:18.33`	`valdyn`	`well, capitalism obviously doesnt work that well, or #debian would have no point`
`11:19.11`	`dannyp`	`I do not think we should conflate the market with capitalism. Capitalism refers specifically to a system characterized by private ownership of factors of production, and really has no bearing on this discussion`
`11:19.13`	`PerfDave`	`dannyp: If providing data sheets is sufficient to make it work with my computer, then I'll buy their kit :)`
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`11:20.44`	`binlid`	`hello need a bit of help with a compile involving pthreads libs`
`11:20.47`	`simonrvn`	`dannyp: still doesn't make it not suck (capitalism)`
`11:20.54`	`valdyn`	`binlid: #c`
`11:21.03`	`binlid`	`k thanks i'll try there`
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`11:21.15`	`dannyp`	`simonrvn: well I am not a capitalist, hence the reason I am quick to draw the distinction between the market (which has some merits) and capitalism`
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`11:21.45`	`simonrvn`	`i'd prefer a barter-like system over what we have now, but WTF..`
`11:21.46`	`DaveB`	`sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr`
`11:22.10`	`DaveB`	`D'oh`
`11:22.21`	`Delph`	`simonrvn: we have a barter-like system. Just with a proxy called money.`
`11:22.25`	`abrocadabro`	`!kmenuedit`
`11:22.42`	`simonrvn`	`i'm saying we don't need the proxy`
`11:22.50`	`valdyn`	`!info kmenuedit`
`11:22.54`	`simonrvn`	`</ot>`
`11:23.03`	`dpkg`	`kmenuedit: (KDE Menu Editor), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 196 kB, Installed size: 768 kB`
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`11:23.25`	`Delph`	`<ot>yes we do, because it's a lot of a pain to attempt to swap 7895/8650th's of a copy of Office for 126 1/5 cows</ot>`
`11:23.45`	`dannyp`	`I don't think this place really has a topic`
`11:23.57`	`dannyp`	`it didn't when I used to come here (I was an oldtimer here many moons ago)`
`11:23.58`	`abrocadabro`	`valdyn: thanks`
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`11:25.42`	`simonrvn`	`dannyp: still doesn't ;)`
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`11:26.00`	`dannyp`	`okay, just making sure`
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`11:26.54`	`dannyp`	`hence the reason I never really feel bad for coming here, despite having a far less close relationship with debian today than I did, say, 5 years ago (I don't run it on any of my home systems, but I work on a debian box and I co-administer a couple others)`
`11:27.09`	`dannyp`	`which I guess is still a decent connection`
`11:28.17`	`simonrvn`	`just a bit looser connection, 'tis all`
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`11:29.00`	`Nach`	`How can I rebuild my MBR?`
`11:29.22`	`valdyn`	`Nach: restore from backup`
`11:29.37`	`dannyp`	`just the MBR? run lilo`
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`11:30.04`	`simonrvn`	`will 2 2x4s, a hammer, 14 nails, and white glue`
`11:30.06`	`Nach`	`Is there anyway to have it do it soley using partition tables and not have it throw in a boot manager?`
`11:30.26`	`jm_`	`Nach: what?`
`11:30.39`	`Nach`	`jm_, I don't want lilo or grub, I want a pure MBR`
`11:30.45`	`dannyp`	`lilo -M to be specific`
`11:30.46`	`valdyn`	`Nach: that would restore only your partition table, just do it`
`11:30.46`	`j_k`	`Nach: install-mbr from the mbr package?`
`11:30.46`	`jm_`	`Nach: what is a pure MBR?`
`11:30.52`	`simonrvn`	`o_O`
`11:31.12`	`dannyp`	`Nach: what are you looking to accomplish?`
`11:31.21`	`Nach`	`dannyp, remove grub`
`11:31.22`	`sml`	`a pure MBR is also known as a virgin MBR. untouched by the hands of mortals.`
`11:31.34`	`bob2`	`Nach: you can't just remove grub`
`11:31.40`	`bob2`	`Nach: you need to put something there instead`
`11:31.43`	`jm_`	`Nach: reinstall the boot loader in another OS then`
`11:31.46`	`dannyp`	`your kernel cannot fit in 512 bytes`
`11:31.51`	`bob2`	`if you want windows there, use windows fdisk`
`11:32.00`	`dannyp`	`Nach: and replace it with?`
`11:32.25`	`Nach`	`dannyp, Standard MBR which loads active primary partition`
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`11:32.39`	`j_k`	`Nach: you can use install-mbr then`
`11:32.50`	`j_k`	`Nach: it doesn't touch your partition table.`
`11:32.57`	`jm_`	`fdisk /mbr in windows does that`
`11:33.07`	`simonrvn`	`man, and i thought quik was complicated...`
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`11:35.14`	`bob2`	`SPF seems slightly pointless`
`11:35.25`	`bob2`	`since users will never ever check the envelope from, anyway`
`11:35.29`	`dannyp`	`jm_: hold on, fdisk /mbr won't boot a non-fat/non-dos/non-windows active primary partition, would it?`
`11:35.50`	`j_k`	`dannyp: yes it will.`
`11:35.52`	`jm_`	`dannyp: it doesn't care about the type IIRC`
`11:35.56`	`dannyp`	`fascinating`
`11:35.59`	`simonrvn`	`seems to be turning out that way, at least for most MTAs out there. the "big boys" use it`
`11:36.06`	`j_k`	`dannyp: an MBR just loads another boot sector from a partition.`
`11:36.12`	`bob2`	`simonrvn: are you checking SPF records?`
`11:36.33`	`j_k`	`dannyp: but the one from debian is better of course !`
`11:37.02`	`simonrvn`	`bob2: i was, but exim4's handling of it right now is rather fucked ATM. having to use an external daemon is a PITA. esp. when that daemon is unstable, and crashes often...`
`11:37.11`	`dannyp`	`oh, fascinating`
`11:37.29`	`bob2`	`simonrvn: ah, right`
`11:37.30`	`dannyp`	`it really reads an address and then jumps to it`
`11:37.47`	`dannyp`	`so the only thing it HAS to know how to do is get the address from the partition table`
`11:37.55`	`bob2`	`simonrvn: just beefed up my spam stuff to do dns blacklists and greylisting, but I'm a bit scared to make that the mx ;)`
`11:38.07`	`mirak`	`can I do a hard drive upgrade by just dding the old drive in the new drive ?`
`11:38.21`	`mirak`	`and then resize`
`11:38.22`	`jm_`	`mirak: there's hard disk upgrade mini howto, read it`
`11:38.31`	`mirak`	`ok`
`11:38.34`	`simonrvn`	`bob2: so i started home building exim4, linking against libspf2, that worked for a long while. must've missed something in my last build, 'cause it bitches about "waaah, i get get that conf option 'spf:'" and dosn't start`
`11:38.58`	`simonrvn`	`bob2: oh, do so. the MX gets hammered`
`11:39.05`	`simonrvn`	`esp. the primary`
`11:39.31`	`simonrvn`	`then, when the fuckers can't get the spam through, they start going after the secondary`
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`11:39.55`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: Not to start a war, but if your interested in changing MTAs i find courier to be superior`
`11:39.57`	`simonrvn`	`so whomever you have secondary for you, make sure they're beefed up too`
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`11:40.34`	`abrocadabro`	`Gumby: that worked, ta`
`11:40.39`	`simonrvn`	`i'm too used to exim, thanks. been considering sendmail for tightet ldap integration.`
`11:40.51`	`simonrvn`	`but i dunno yet`
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`11:42.20`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: courier-mta will do an excelent job integrating with courier-ldap, or courier-imap, or courier-pop, i find it to be quite complete and easy to set up, unlike exim4`
`11:42.28`	`dannyp`	`so I have a directory tree filled with files ranging from a couple dozen megs to a couple gigs (all <= 4.7 gb) ; I want to back the entire tree up to DVDs, but I'd rather not risk splitting a file up across disks, and I want individual trees to be coherent and browsable (as in, you can insert a DVD and read the N files that are on it directly from the DVD). Best way of doing it?`
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`11:42.40`	`simonrvn`	`i don't use courier-anything right now`
`11:42.56`	`jm_`	`dannyp: there's a tool on fm to do that`
`11:43.01`	`nastaran`	`hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii`
`11:43.11`	`simonrvn`	`oh great`
`11:43.12`	`dannyp`	`jm_: happen to know its name?`
`11:43.50`	`simonrvn`	`EvanCarroll: you haven't seen my main exim conf then ;)`
`11:43.51`	`dannyp`	`scdbackup?`
`11:44.15`	`simonrvn`	`!lart aol proxies`
`11:44.37`	`jm_`	`dannyp: I noticed it on front page not so long ago`
`11:44.39`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: nor do i want to, i radically think exim4 is retarded, and i don't see why anyone would want to use it`
`11:45.02`	`simonrvn`	`your opinion :)`
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`11:45.30`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: That it is, but most of my arguements against it the other exim users share they just refuse to leave the exim series of programs`
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`11:46.20`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: then again, those same users are the ones who still use sh`
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`11:47.15`	`simonrvn`	`Works For Me (tm).`
`11:47.15`	`Delicates`	`I'm setting up a Linux NAT router for home network. The public IP is given to the router by ISP's DHCP, the router also provides private IPs for LAN via DHCP... What is the best way to provide DNS to the LAN?`
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`11:47.53`	`jm_`	`Delicates: via DHCP or use dnsmqsq`
`11:47.55`	`jm_`	`dnsmasq`
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`11:48.38`	`nastaran`	`hiiiiiiii`
`11:48.40`	`nastaran`	`24f`
`11:48.42`	`jm_`	`you can also use bind, but it's more complicated to configure`
`11:49.00`	`jm_`	`paddy: found this so far http://fredrik.hubbe.net/hacks/`
`11:49.06`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: don't take this the wrong way, but if it working why are you asking questions about it =/ in a channel not made for it lol`
`11:49.07`	`simonrvn`	`nastaran: this isn't for chatting, or a/s/l - go to efnet for that`
`11:49.26`	`Delicates`	`jm_: as I understand DHCP can tell the client which DNS server to use, but if the server itself gets DNS server settings from DHCP?`
`11:49.28`	`simonrvn`	`i wasn't asking questions`
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`11:50.19`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: You are right, your statement was more declarative of 'im having a problem'`
`11:50.22`	`TinoW`	`Delicates: you can have your clients enter the config of the DNS`
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`11:50.55`	`jm_`	`Delicates: the server will write it to resolve.conf - you should check if you can tell DHCP server to use that setting`
`11:51.07`	`jm_`	`Delicates: the server meaning your gateway`
`11:51.11`	`simonrvn`	`EvanCarroll: yes. and i know how to fix it =)`
`11:51.41`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: I wish you the best of luck. exim problems always make for a fun night, week, or month.`
`11:51.41`	`Active2`	`kadm5_init_with_password_ctx: Operation failed for unspecified reason (what a nice error)`
`11:51.44`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: you declared exim4 to be broken when you couldnt get it to deliver to maildir, but in all fairness, that wasnt an exim problem`
`11:51.44`	`j_k`	`Delicates: you should better install a proxy DNS server anyway`
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`11:52.21`	`j_k`	`Delicates: which you can feed the DNS servers' addresses from your ISP with resolvconf`
`11:52.33`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: no i more or less bitched because exim has ass backwards conf files that don't assist the problem and the documentation for exim lacks a pratical application - still educational though`
`11:52.44`	`jm_`	`dannyp: I wrote my own tool for CD-s that does the trick, but it uses optimal algorithm so it's far too slow for DVD-s (I looked at using heuristic algorithms, but thse need a heck of a lot of memory)`
`11:52.55`	`TinoW`	`jm_: the server will not write anything btw ;) This is the job of the dhcp-client :)`
`11:53.11`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: thats not how i remember it, but whatever`
`11:53.25`	`simonrvn`	`the docs are fine. a bit opaque for a newbie. but they work for me, too.`
`11:53.38`	`jm_`	`TinoW: yes, stupid terminology`
`11:53.57`	`jm_`	`should have written it like that to avoid confusion ;)`
`11:54.10`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: Well the heart of my problem was configuring maildir, you are right in that, but in configuring exim i lost any respect for it or those in #exim`
`11:54.13`	`TinoW`	`jm_: its like with HTTP-Cookies ;)`
`11:54.43`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: ill take direct offence at that, as i outlined your problem and proposed a solution, is it my fault you couldnt grasp what i said?`
`11:54.47`	`simonrvn`	`you lost respect for people because of their choice of MTA? you have issues, dude`
`11:54.48`	`dannyp`	`jm_: you know, writing one sounds like a fun way to spend an afternoon`
`11:55.00`	`simonrvn`	`wtf`
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`11:55.11`	`dannyp`	`all of the ones I saw on fm are too involved. I'd really like it to just give me a list of files`
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`11:55.16`	`jm_`	`dannyp: well it's a knapsack problem, it has received a lot of attention over the years ;)`
`11:56.23`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: ... yes i guess it is your fault, as i sat and strugled with the process for 10hrs, spit out all of my exim logs, grepped for the variables involved that where the 'problem' and all refused to help, then the damn thing started segfaulting on me and i abandon all hope.`
`11:56.42`	`petemc`	`heh, its my fault :)`
`11:56.45`	`dannyp`	`jm_: yes, but only half of my educational background is in engineering; the other half is in decision science, and there's a nobel laurate who was a professor at my school whose big research was on how people decide on sub-optimal choices ;)`
`11:56.58`	`alamar`	which switch unpacks a .deb to .? I tried --unpack but that`s not the right one
`11:57.04`	`dannyp`	`so unlike a CS student, I do not feel compelled to reach anywhere near a perfect solution`
`11:57.06`	`petemc`	`alamar: man dpkg`
`11:57.12`	`dannyp`	`just one that is good enough ;)`
`11:57.32`	`j_k`	`alamar: use dpkg-deb`
`11:57.32`	`alamar`	`petemc: how come that i knew i would get this answer...`
`11:57.34`	`jm_`	`dannyp: well a lot of people have worked on this, I didn't feel like I was smarter than them so I searched for existing algorithms and tested those`
`11:58.08`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: well it sure isn't my fault after reading through a bloated and obfuscated conf file and reading all the documentation on the university's web site, i definitly required others assistance, and they failed to come through. with that concuring with the almost intensionally confusing conf file and the abundence of alternitives i changed solutions and don't regret it at all`
`11:58.19`	`dannyp`	`jm_: also an option, but far less fun`
`11:58.58`	`dannyp`	`jm_: I am also lucky enough to attend a school where I could walk into a CS lounge, give the problem as a challenge to a bunch of CS kids, and come back in a couple days`
`11:59.11`	`dannyp`	`if I'm going to cheat, that is`
`11:59.12`	`jm_`	`dannyp: heh hope you'll have lots of fun with it`
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`11:59.34`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: i explained to you the debian configuration has transports for both mbox and maildir, and which one you use is defined in another file, which i assumed could be set by using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, is that too hard for you to understand?`
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`12:01.23`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config will yeild no option involving mbox or maildir, sorry, you are wrong, i ran it many times and know, as for the other file i checked that and when the problem was occuring i had symlinked my /var/log/mail* among others into apache, as well as my whole exim config, i additionally greped the files myself to make it easier to assist, it didn't work, and i didn't understand.`
`12:02.15`	`ricky_clarkson`	`dannyp: heh.`
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`12:02.51`	`jinti`	`etags to support '-R' ?`
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`12:04.12`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: you know what, you're right, exim isnt for everyone`
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`12:05.02`	`Shadur`	`1812 isn't slapper, you ditz. It's radius.`
`12:05.15`	`EvanCarroll`	`before i left exim i gave my input on how to make it 'for everyone' it is no doubt powerfull, but not for me`
`12:05.24`	`libv`	`little: did you get around your booting issue?`
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`12:05.45`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: mmm, as i remember, you declared it broken and said courier was "l33t"`
`12:05.58`	`simonrvn`	`hehe`
`12:06.00`	`nagual`	`;>`
`12:06.14`	`jinti`	`my emacs's version is 21.3 ,but the etags why support '-R' options?`
`12:06.27`	`jinti`	`why not ? :P`
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`12:07.20`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: the consensus was at the end, that it is configured right and doesn't work, and even if it was configured wrong, a segfault shoulden't occur`
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`12:07.52`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: i cant argue with the segfault part, it shouldnt do that`
`12:08.03`	`petemc`	`obviously :)`
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`12:08.35`	`lestest`	`hi there ... why php-nuke is not included in sid? I wasn't able to find the license it is shipped with, but just its commercial version.`
`12:08.50`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: courier is blissfully awesome, awed at the simplicity of multiple config files for its multiple functions, the usefull help docs, and the website fully equiped with the man faq and a arsonal of tutorials`
`12:09.03`	`petemc`	`excellent`
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`12:09.19`	`dannyp`	`ricky_clarkson: was that 'heh' directed at my propensity to abuse CS students?`
`12:09.22`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: it also isolates scripting from config, which is advantageous to me`
`12:09.24`	`petemc`	`it doesnt have the same feature set as exim, but if you're happy with that, then all good`
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`12:09.35`	`ricky_clarkson`	`dannyp: No, at 'touche'.`
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`12:09.58`	`dannyp`	`ricky_clarkson: it's really just fair; I happen to be the only political science major that is routinely asked for help on CS assignments in classes he's never taken`
`12:10.06`	`dannyp`	`ricky_clarkson: oh, that was like, FOREVER ago`
`12:10.08`	`steven___`	`valdyn hmmm the Xlog is really big, i got a lot of those "out of sync" messages as well in the xlog`
`12:10.20`	`stief`	`valdyn: this is my nick :-)`
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`12:10.57`	`ricky_clarkson`	`dannyp: It was after I went afk (teaching internetworking).`
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`12:15.39`	`raf256`	`help, my printer isnt working in linux/debian sarge on 2.6.8-k7-2. I runned KConfigure, added printer (Epson Stylus C64) as local printer, computer auto-detected it (on USB port), printer is visible in programs,`
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`12:15.56`	`raf256`	`but printing to it (from a program, or Test page) do not work - there is no error, just nothing happends.`
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`12:17.53`	`raf256`	`I use CUPS (afaik)`
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`12:19.22`	`marras`	`hello! I can't make the wheel of my mouse work!! what do I have to do?�`
`12:19.42`	`xk`	`marras: console or X?`
`12:20.01`	`sep`	`raf256: in your cups config file /etc/cups/cupsd.conf iirc change your log line then restart cups and read your /var/log/daemon.log file`
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`12:20.30`	`marras`	`X`
`12:20.33`	`raf256`	`sep: ok`
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`12:20.58`	`j_k`	`marras: try to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, IIRC there's some related question here.`
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`12:21.18`	`nornagon`	`I did something stupid a while ago.`
`12:21.25`	`marras`	`I've already done that, but it doesn't work`
`12:21.26`	`xk`	`marris: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change protocol to IMPS2/ and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"'`
`12:21.40`	`nornagon`	`I installed lilo on /dev/hda (which is a windows partition) and Debian onto /dev/hdb.`
`12:21.57`	`nornagon`	`Now I want to swap the two around, and have the debian hdd boot on its own`
`12:21.57`	`marras`	`the problem is that it worked, but it doesn't work anymore`
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`12:22.22`	`nornagon`	`I want to install lilo onto /dev/hdb, then move /dev/hdb to /dev/hda.`
`12:22.29`	`nornagon`	`(hardware-wise)`
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`12:23.43`	`xk`	`marras: There's no much else that can go wrong... please confirm what I said still exists on your system .`
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`12:24.43`	`Gumby`	`marras: and dont forget to completely restart X. Not just log out then back in. you have to restart your dm if you use one`
`12:24.52`	`sep`	`nornagon: first of all make a boot disk, before move you'r harddrive also change your /etc/fstab file, and i guess you need to run lilo with some arguments check man lilo for what`
`12:25.16`	`zakame`	`hi, what's a good mail fetcher for getting 1k+ emails on slow`
`12:25.17`	`zakame`	`dialup links?`
`12:25.18`	`nornagon`	`hmm.`
`12:25.27`	`nornagon`	`I have the Debian CDs.`
`12:25.32`	`simonrvn`	`EvanCarroll: finished insulting people yet?`
`12:25.32`	`nornagon`	`Do they count as boot disks?`
`12:25.43`	`marras`	`ok, but how do I change the attributes for XF86Config-4, it's read-only`
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`12:26.03`	`gilles`	`what is the basic package i should install to be able to compile my own sources ?`
`12:26.12`	`simonrvn`	`apt-get install build-essential`
`12:26.16`	`zakame`	`build-essential`
`12:26.20`	`sep`	`nornagon: i'd swap to grub also if i was you, and you can use the install cd's if your confortable with manualy mounting and chrooting etc`
`12:26.45`	`Gumby`	`is there any type of package in debian that will help me configure a printer?`
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`12:27.01`	`nornagon`	`sep: Is changing to grub all that hard?`
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`12:27.32`	`Gumby`	`if you are using the same kernel on both drives then is shouldnt be an issue`
`12:27.49`	`nornagon`	`Gumby: One is windows.`
`12:27.53`	`durex`	`hello folks,`
`12:27.57`	`nornagon`	`stunned silence`
`12:28.08`	`nornagon`	`<Everyone> HERETIC!`
`12:28.16`	`durex`	`does anybody knows one good p2p package that are in apt database?`
`12:28.33`	`EvanCarroll`	`suncomet: .. I'm not insulting people.`
`12:28.47`	`EvanCarroll`	`err s/suncomet/simonrvn`
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`12:29.18`	`sep`	`nornagon: apt-get install grub then run grub-install (man grub-install)`
`12:29.20`	`kalag`	`nornagon: just place your linux disk on /dev/hda, boot from the cd.. i think it has some rescue mode or something like redhat. edit lilo.conf and rerun lilo.`
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`12:29.37`	`nornagon`	`kalag: Hmm.`
`12:29.47`	`raf256`	`sep: after watching logs, I got error like "unabel to convert document 0 to printable format!"`
`12:30.02`	`EvanCarroll`	`ricky_clarkson: hahah thats golden +stfu hahah`
`12:30.14`	`Gumby`	nornagon: if you setup lilo to be how it will need to be once the drives are switched.. then run lilo -b /dev/`the_new_boot_device` then you should be fine
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`12:30.33`	`sep`	`raf256: your sure there is not a more descriptive error message further up the log file`
`12:30.36`	`nornagon`	`Hmm.`
`12:30.41`	`nornagon`	`Cool.`
`12:31.05`	`nornagon`	`Gumby: That sounds like the best thing I've heard yet.`
`12:31.06`	`raf256`	`sep: ok, I will put entire log online, wait a sec...`
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`12:31.17`	`nornagon`	`Except, I'm pondering switching to grub.`
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`12:31.34`	`Gumby`	`nornagon: either way, have a boot CD or floppy handy`
`12:31.38`	`nornagon`	`Yes.`
`12:31.39`	`light_punch2`	`anyone saw "the village"?`
`12:31.43`	`nornagon`	`I have knoppix, too.`
`12:31.45`	`Gumby`	`light_punch2: yes`
`12:31.45`	`nornagon`	`So :)`
`12:31.53`	`Gumby`	`nornagon: and learn how to chroot :)`
`12:31.54`	`kalag`	`nornagon: make it bootable first :)`
`12:32.09`	`nornagon`	`learn how to chroot?`
`12:32.11`	`raf256`	`sep: http://62.233.182.161/help/cups1/`
`12:32.13`	`nornagon`	`as in, su? XD`
`12:32.23`	`ricky_clarkson`	`~ircspeak $1 is <reply>(hehe\|lol\|rofl\|mouarf\|jaja\|jejejeje) $1 (hehe\|lol\|rofl\|mouarf\|jaja\|jejejeje)(!!!111!!!!111oneone\| )`
`12:32.37`	`apt`	`okay, ricky_clarkson`
`12:32.37`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!ircspeak $1 is <reply>(hehe\|lol\|rofl\|mouarf\|jaja\|jejejeje) $1 (hehe\|lol\|rofl\|mouarf\|jaja\|jejejeje)(!!!111!!!!111oneone\| )`
`12:32.37`	`dpkg`	`ricky_clarkson: okay`
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`12:32.38`	`simonrvn`	`EvanCarroll: well, you'd said you lost respect for people just because they were using an MTA you had a hard time with, that was a new low i think. so to me, yes you were, for no reason that i can see. maybe you mis-prhased it, but it was insulting to being told that. if you have a problem with something, you don't take it out on people. you just don't use that thing, and use something else.`
`12:32.44`	`Gumby`	`nornagon: no, as in chroot`
`12:33.00`	`light_punch2`	`Gumby, did you like it?`
`12:33.01`	`Gumby`	`anyhow, its 4:30am. bedtime`
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`12:33.12`	`Gumby`	`light_punch2: like what?`
`12:33.16`	`Gumby`	`oh`
`12:33.19`	`Gumby`	`yeah, I did`
`12:33.26`	`Omar`	`exit`
`12:33.32`	`Gumby`	`/part`
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`12:34.25`	`light_punch2`	`Gumby, was the best of the movie from that director (sp -> nightshma)?, i saw.`
`12:34.29`	`EvanCarroll`	`simonrvn: I did use something else, and i did loose respect for those in #exim, and because i think of its constuction as faulty and convoluted i dont think to highly of their devs either, now if you wan't to discus my opinions further, message me not the room. the discussion fell out the realm of public chat 5min ago before you resurected it`
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`12:34.40`	`ricky_clarkson`	`EvanCarroll: /msg dpkg loose`
`12:34.58`	`tarzeau`	`how am i able to tar cvf / and tar -xvf over ssh from one machine to another again?`
`12:35.04`	`EvanCarroll`	`ricky_clarkson: oops`
`12:35.15`	`ricky_clarkson`	`tarzeau: I recommend shfsmount`
`12:35.25`	`stief`	`why isn't there a autoprobe for monitors`
`12:35.43`	`tarzeau`	`ricky_clarkson: that's not on my knoppix cd`
`12:35.48`	`simonrvn`	`ok then. back on /ignore you go. pointless to discuss this. have a nice life, and i hope you grow, for your own good`
`12:35.56`	`sep`	`raf256: apt-get install gs-esp and restart cups`
`12:35.56`	`ricky_clarkson`	`tarzeau: Use Debian or #knoppix`
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`12:36.12`	`tarzeau`	`ricky_clarkson: well i want to install debian over the network`
`12:36.22`	`tarzeau`	`ricky_clarkson: because debian doesn't support my network card, and i can only netboot this box`
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`12:36.35`	`tarzeau`	`ricky_clarkson: so i have a running debian system on a remote box`
`12:36.43`	`raf256`	`sep: thanx Ill try that... and how did You figured it? (I Would like to solve more problmes myself.. ;)`
`12:36.45`	`tarzeau`	`ricky_clarkson: and a working ssh/sshd/tar in knoppix in memory`
`12:36.54`	`ricky_clarkson`	`tarzeau: Are you sure Debian doesn't support your card? After all, it's only Linux that needs to support the card.`
`12:37.12`	`ricky_clarkson`	`tarzeau: Get a sarge iso, debtakeover or debootstrap.`
`12:37.12`	`tarzeau`	`ricky_clarkson: yes it's an nvidia forcedeth that only works with the binary driver`
`12:37.22`	`petemc`	`EvanCarroll: for the record, i marked you down as an idiot when you declared something broken because you didnt know how to use it`
`12:37.37`	`inc\|freaky`	`is there something like a mic-preamplifier for the soundcard input?`
`12:37.43`	`inc\|freaky`	`for linux`
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`12:38.05`	`simonrvn`	`an amp?`
`12:38.06`	`sep`	`raf256: it's not a proven solution just a suggestion, and the line below your error said "Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed?" :)`
`12:38.19`	`tarzeau`	`ricky_clarkson: don't give me what i'm not asking for. please`
`12:38.32`	`Panzerboy`	`hi guys`
`12:38.35`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: and more incompatibility than just a missing device ID ?`
`12:38.39`	`inc\|freaky`	`simonrvn: just something with which i can modify the things i say into the mic ;)`
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`12:38.50`	`Panzerboy`	`any pointers on how to get an epson epl-5900l printer working in debian >?`
`12:38.57`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: the linux kernel doesn't even work with it (both the latest pre 2.6 and 2.4)`
`12:39.07`	`j_k`	`tarzeau: ssh foo tar -c \| tar -x, do you see what i mean ?`
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`12:39.15`	`tarzeau`	`j_k: my hero! thank you`
`12:39.17`	`simonrvn`	`oh, a sound modifier thingy. yeh, there is at least one, probably more`
`12:39.25`	`light_punch2`	`does gimp support talking screen shot of the entire screen and just just one window?`
`12:39.27`	`j_k`	`tarzeau: lookup the tar manpage for relevant options, tough`
`12:39.28`	`tarzeau`	`j_k: yeah but was it exactly that?`
`12:39.35`	`simonrvn`	`inc\|freaky: apt-cache search thing you want`
`12:39.41`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: yea, I understand - but it may be that the reason is only the device ID, which would be trivial to patch in`
`12:39.50`	`jm_`	`inc\|freaky: sox, apt-cache search sound editor`
`12:39.53`	`inc\|freaky`	`simonrvn: i was allready searching, can you give me a package name?`
`12:40.01`	`inc\|freaky`	`jm_: i want it realtime, no editor`
`12:40.04`	`raf256`	`Seb: ok, this time computer thinked for few seconds (cpu usage=100%) but still nothinp is printing :/`
`12:40.08`	`j_k`	`tarzeau: you ssh on th foo host to create the tarball, send it back through the link (stdout), and the pipe ssh's output to the local tar which extracts the archive`
`12:40.09`	`EvanCarroll`	`petemc: thats fine. I'm going to ignore simonrvn, are return the immature juvenile favor by saying i believe you be an idiot as well`
`12:40.16`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: possibly. you want to try? guide me?`
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`12:40.28`	`light_punch2`	`never mind`
`12:40.34`	`simonrvn`	`i can't recall what it is. looking under the sound subsection should tell you (dselect, synaptic, or aptitude)`
`12:40.39`	`jm_`	`inc\|freaky: sox should be able to do that or adjust your line-in mixer setting`
`12:40.41`	`sep`	`raf256: usualy the only thing i need to do i up the logging so you get sensible error messages, if the error message itself isnt enoughf then google for the error message to learn how to fix it.`
`12:40.41`	`tarzeau`	`j_k: i run that on which host? on the one i want to install or the one i already have running?`
`12:40.49`	`inc\|freaky`	`jm_: thx :D`
`12:40.50`	`raf256`	`Attribute`
`12:40.50`	`raf256`	`Values`
`12:40.51`	`raf256`	`job-id`
`12:40.51`	`raf256`	`5`
`12:40.51`	`raf256`	`job-more-info`
`12:40.51`	`raf256`	`http://worf:631/jobs/5`
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`12:41.03`	`EvanCarroll`	`inc\|freaky: what are you looking for?`
`12:41.16`	`j_k`	`tarzeau: the one you want to copy the files to. You can use tar -c \| ssh foo tar -x for the other direction.`
`12:41.31`	`inc\|freaky`	`EvanCarroll: something to manipulate the things i say into the mic, realtime`
`12:41.38`	`j_k`	`tarzeau: you need an ssh server on foo in both cases, obviously`
`12:41.40`	`EvanCarroll`	`inc\|freaky: X or console?`
`12:41.46`	`inc\|freaky`	`both`
`12:41.48`	`inc\|freaky`	`best would be x`
`12:41.53`	`EvanCarroll`	`gnome-alsamixer for x`
`12:42.10`	`tarzeau`	`j_k: oki`
`12:42.31`	`EvanCarroll`	`inc\|freaky: and alsamixer logically for console`
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`12:42.47`	`EvanCarroll`	`inc\|freaky: there is additionally a guialsamixer however i haven't used it =/`
`12:42.51`	`raf256`	`ups, I am so sorry! wrong key`
`12:42.53`	`inc\|freaky`	`EvanCarroll: i dont mean just a mixer. i mean something like adding effects`
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`12:43.02`	`inc\|freaky`	`EvanCarroll: im using it ;)`
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`12:43.37`	`simonrvn`	`i think this VoXsFe is a spam bot`
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`12:43.54`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: first thing is to find your nics device id w/ like lscpi -n, for patching im looking at forcedeth.c atm`
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`12:43.57`	`simonrvn`	`speak up now if you aren't :)`
`12:44.00`	`raf256`	`sep: ok, now the job is showed in Jobs, but when it is about to start, then the printer goes offline??`
`12:44.02`	`ben{}`	`hello debianners`
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`12:44.24`	`simonrvn`	`plonk`
`12:44.26`	`EvanCarroll`	`inc\|freaky: never messed with sound effects on linux in realtime sorry, check zynaddsubfx, and dbmix`
`12:44.31`	`inc\|freaky`	`jm_: how can i tell sox to add a effect, realtime, while talking?`
`12:44.31`	`simonrvn`	`ricky_clarkson: already got k-lined`
`12:44.34`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Well, I didn't get any spam.`
`12:44.35`	`inc\|freaky`	`EvanCarroll: thx :D`
`12:44.38`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Right.`
`12:44.41`	`simonrvn`	`thanks whomever`
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`12:45.10`	`raf256`	`Seb: I think this is cause of the problems: Cannot open /Stylus C64 read/write: No such file or directory`
`12:45.10`	`ricky_clarkson`	`/umode +E`
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`12:45.27`	`simonrvn`	`i know i know :)`
`12:45.40`	`raf256`	`what mother-fucking stupid lame-ass company would named their device as "Stylus C64" instead pf Stylu_C64!`
`12:45.42`	`sep`	`raf256: that i dont know much about, i'v never used a usb printer`
`12:46.02`	`raf256`	`damned epson shit`
`12:46.29`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: could it be a PCI bridge of nVidia?`
`12:46.34`	`simonrvn`	`maybe the ppd is badly name or something...`
`12:46.38`	`simonrvn`	`named*`
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`12:46.41`	`sep`	`raf256: ranting ans swaring in a 790 people channel is also one of the few things that rearly gives you much help btw :)`
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`12:47.12`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: you sure have a pci bridge but that has nothing to do with it`
`12:47.30`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: how can i find out which it is from the lspci -n list?`
`12:47.34`	`raf256`	`any idea how to change that name of printer or work around this problem>`
`12:48.03`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: SMBus maybe?`
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`12:49.01`	`spo0nman`	`hmm, i am using thunderbird and I want my text to be justified while I write text only mail.`
`12:49.07`	`EvanCarroll`	`tarzeau: what is your question`
`12:49.24`	`spo0nman`	`can it be done?`
`12:49.51`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: im not familiar w/ lspci so im sure theres a better way, but "lspci \| grep -i ethernet" should show your nic, note the pci id at the start, like 0000:00:0e.0`
`12:49.59`	`EvanCarroll`	`spo0nman: no, text only email consists of text, with newlines, and spaces, and nothing else, formatting is not included - to my knowledge`
`12:50.13`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: that same pci id will identify your nic in lspci -n`
`12:50.29`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: http://gnu.ethz.ch/nvnet/`
`12:51.19`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: your nic isnt forcedeth, its 3com`
`12:51.20`	`spo0nman`	`EvanCarroll: I mean when the mail is sent, the content should be padded with spaces to have a sense of justified text.`
`12:51.36`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: 0000:01:06.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78)`
`12:51.39`	`tarzeau`	`EvanCarroll: the linux nvidia network card drivers don't work for my network card`
`12:51.43`	`jm_`	`heh heh`
`12:51.49`	`jm_`	`no wonder htey don't work`
`12:51.50`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: that's the 3com one i use so i can install the box`
`12:52.13`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: i put that in only for temporarily. since netboot would work, but no linux kernel (without binary driver) can use the nvidia nic`
`12:52.21`	`EvanCarroll`	`spo0nman: yes that will work as long as the user on the otherside is using a constant width font, unlike 95% of the users`
`12:52.44`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: it's a shuttle computer with onboard nvidia nic and nvidia video card`
`12:53.04`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: there is no other network controller, and that has nothing to do w/ linux h/w detection`
`12:53.07`	`ricky_clarkson`	`spo0nman: That's not a good idea. I'll just wonder why your text has lots of spaces in it.`
`12:53.18`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: well there IS another network controller, and it works`
`12:53.18`	`sep`	`raf256: google tells me that error you see is from a unpriveleged user trying to access the device, maybee you need to be in some usb/printer group or something`
`12:53.26`	`ricky_clarkson`	`spo0nman: Send plain text formatted by font-independent concepts, such as newlines.`
`12:53.34`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: (with the nvidia binary driver. feel free to visit me, and i will show you=`
`12:53.39`	`EvanCarroll`	`spo0nman: it wont work that well mind you, most justifing consists of spacing out the words slightly more as well to alleviate the stress on the space inbetween the words, relise if you do things that way and foce justification a line with the words 'you are' will consist of you.' 'x75.are`
`12:53.40`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: works where?`
`12:53.43`	`stief`	`valdyn_ can i perhaps show you my Xfree log file?`
`12:53.45`	`tazle`	`I wonder why my sudo doesn't seem to use the timestamp files it creates`
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`12:53.50`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: here at my desktop`
`12:53.54`	`tazle`	`it asks for password every time I sudo`
`12:53.54`	`spo0nman`	`hmm`
`12:54.15`	`spo0nman`	`ok, but i like the box like appearance of justified text. :(`
`12:54.31`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: just because lspci or linux don't see it you can't tell me it's not there. i see it physically, and it works`
`12:54.37`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: lspci does simple things, if it doesnt show something then its not there, uh`
`12:54.39`	`Trev_`	`what has to be running for rcmd to accept remote connections ?`
`12:54.46`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: ok thank you`
`12:54.51`	`Trev_`	`superserver ?`
`12:55.07`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: lspci doesnt do anything but reading standard memory adresses, it doesnt "detect" stuff`
`12:55.19`	`daxxar`	`Hm. What do I have to do to make apache load php4? I tried apache-modconf apache enable php4 and enable php, but neither seemed to add the module to /etc/apache/modules.conf.`
`12:55.20`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: well i have no idea. but the network card is there`
`12:55.44`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: did you see it function though?`
`12:56.00`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: yes it works perfectly on gnu.ethz.ch after all, no?`
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`12:56.12`	`EvanCarroll`	`spo0nman: so do i =/ but justified plain text is rather complex, you have to know what the column should be, have variable length spaces, one kind to insert between letters, and one kind inbetween words, as well as a uniform font, you ever see ascii art in notepad look good and move it into word or staroffice only to find the art is no longer distinct`
`12:56.21`	`EvanCarroll`	`spo0nman: thats how your justification would hold up =/ lol`
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`12:57.04`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: look at http://gnu.ethz.ch/nvnet/`
`12:57.11`	`valdyn_`	`stief: #flood`
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`12:57.34`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: the -2 and lsmod ones are from the box itself (without the other 3com nic)`
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`12:58.05`	`spo0nman`	`EvanCarroll: hmm, i guess. i'd pass it and seperate my words with one space.`
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`12:58.16`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: don't ask me what nvidia did. but using the deathfart driver in linux it shows strange stuff up in ifconfig`
`12:58.21`	`Cristy`	`i have a problem with xfree86, when i run startx , i have an error like that: cannot create device tty0 (nu such file or directory); how can i fix that?`
`12:58.27`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: stuff that looks broken, and certainly don't work`
`12:59.19`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: well if it works it works, its not a pci device however`
`13:00.27`	`Trev_`	`rcmd into one of my servers is no longer working.. having some trouble debugging.. any thoughts on where to start ?`
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`13:00.57`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: hmm it's on the motherboard. how likely could it be something else but PCI?`
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`13:02.07`	`remi`	`hello`
`13:02.27`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: thats no problem, anything could be integrated into nforce2.`
`13:02.30`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: ok i'm using tar over ssh`
`13:02.39`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: well they do that then, probably`
`13:02.50`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: you mean the graphics card?`
`13:03.23`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: no i mean you network card, gfx cards are in agp slot and do have a pci id`
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`13:03.40`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: i see. any chance this can run without binary driver?`
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`13:04.06`	`remi`	`hello everybody`
`13:04.17`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: probably not, but you may want to read in your manual on how the nic is connected`
`13:04.17`	`remi`	`i am a french Ubuntuman`
`13:04.36`	`simonrvn`	`#ubuntu`
`13:04.49`	`kensuke`	`remi: no dude ... you asking for crap .. dont do it man .... ;-)`
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`13:05.01`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: heck it could even be on isa`
`13:05.05`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!not supporting ubuntu`
`13:05.08`	`dpkg`	`We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity.`
`13:05.16`	`Kbyte`	`sera`
`13:05.24`	`Kbyte`	`hi :)`
`13:05.24`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: yeah that lspci shows some isa stuff. yet there is no isa slots`
`13:05.37`	`raf256`	`OH MY SWEET GOD`
`13:05.37`	`remi`	`ok thats right`
`13:05.45`	`raf256`	`this might be a reason for my printer problems:`
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`13:05.55`	`raf256`	`connecting printer to USB gives an kernel OOPS :\|`
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`13:06.00`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: isa is just cheap, still used for some stuff even if you see no slot`
`13:06.01`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: is there any other imaginable reason besides pissing me or linux people off, for what they do? (like save production costs or so?)`
`13:06.05`	`raf256`	`I didnt see it utill dmesg`
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`13:06.35`	`VoX`	`is it possible to have a program displaying text in the root window? eg: tailing auth.log to watch for anyone trying to login, etc`
`13:06.55`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: if it is a gigabit nic then that is a good reason for it not to be on pci`
`13:06.57`	`jerome`	`better buy vim to donate money to charity.`
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`13:08.01`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: i'm not sure if it's one. but it might be so`
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`13:08.43`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: im curious, can you give me your main board name / id ?`
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`13:09.02`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: sure, if you tell me how?`
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`13:09.38`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: don't you have its manual?`
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`13:09.51`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: wait i have the packaging of it right here`
`13:09.58`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: ...`
`13:10.02`	`stief`	`valdyn_: can it be that my font is just not good? because i can barly read my chars ont he screen :-) some char's are missing parts of there layout`
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`13:10.33`	`valdyn_`	`stief: that doesnt sound like a display problem indeed`
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`13:10.40`	`daxxar`	`Hm. How can I search for factoids?`
`13:10.42`	`stief`	`valdyn_: btw i see... resolution: 37x37 dots per inch`
`13:10.48`	`stief`	`valdyn_: is that to low perhap?`
`13:11.03`	`greycat`	`daxxar: /msg dpkg listkeys foo`
`13:11.03`	`valdyn_`	`stief: yes`
`13:11.29`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: shuttle fn45u amd sempron 462pin processor based ddr mainboard...`
`13:11.30`	`greycat`	`daxxar: and also listvals`
`13:11.30`	`stief`	`valdyn_: so the DPI is likely to be the problem?`
`13:11.37`	`valdyn_`	`stief: man XF86Config-4. search for "DisplaySize" in it`
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`13:12.05`	`stief`	`valdyn_: thansk`
`13:12.50`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: you know what's strange? the chipset specs say: realtek 8201bl supports 10/100mbit and wol. nothing about nvidia nic`
`13:12.54`	`stief`	`valdyn_: it's a 40" lcd so that might be the problem ;)`
`13:13.20`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: only nvidia nforce2 (the graphics card) and ther'es that nvidia raid stuff`
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`13:13.41`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: so it's sure not 1gbit`
`13:13.46`	`daxxar`	`greycat, thanks.`
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`13:14.08`	`CyberShadow`	`how ho install a .rpm from the console?`
`13:14.19`	`tarzeau`	`CyberShadow: rpm -e rpm`
`13:14.20`	`ricky_clarkson`	`CyberShadow: With Fedora or RedHat.`
`13:14.24`	`CyberShadow`	`thanks`
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`13:14.31`	`valdyn_`	`stief: hmm, then your dpi is realistic i guess`
`13:14.39`	`tarzeau`	`CyberShadow: err wait, i think it was rpm -i the.rpm. but the other command is funny too`
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`13:15.24`	`stief`	`valdyn_: damn, i kinda hoped that was the problem`
`13:15.39`	`valdyn_`	`stief: it still is the problem`
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`13:15.58`	`valdyn_`	`stief: try a common dpi value, like 75`
`13:16.12`	`valdyn_`	`stief: i dont know much about fonts, you may want to use ttf fonts`
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`13:16.28`	`valdyn_`	`stief: startx -- -dpi 75`
`13:16.33`	`stief`	`valdyn_: ow okee :-) yeah i need to calculate the number of Milimeters my display is, to put int he DisplaySize`
`13:16.42`	`stief`	`valdyn_: ow that's an option as well :-) cool`
`13:17.21`	`stief`	`valdyn_: brb got to restart x :-)`
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`13:18.20`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: the computer manual say: shuttle xpc sn45g v3/sn41g2 v3`
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`13:20.29`	`greycat`	`croutons are only lamentable if they're the kind with MSG`
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`13:21.00`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Most Significant Greycat?`
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`13:21.09`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: now which number is it? sn45g or sn41g ?`
`13:21.12`	`PloneUser932850`	`greycat, did you just eat some?`
`13:21.16`	`stief`	`valdyn_: toobad, DPI of 75x75 same stuff, also tried a DPI of 200`
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`13:22.02`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: the sn45g v3 one (there's a label at the bottom of the box)`
`13:22.10`	`greycat`	`PloneUser932850: had some croutons in a restaurant yesterday, and they probably do have MSG. Fortunately I'm not sensitive to it.`
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`13:23.50`	`nornagon`	`Mmkay... so, quick once-over for installing grub:`
`13:23.53`	`nornagon`	`grub-install /dev/hdb`
`13:23.54`	`nornagon`	`update-grub`
`13:23.57`	`nornagon`	`now, I'm going to shut down and switch /dev/hda with /dev/hdb. That's on the hardware side.`
`13:24.02`	`nornagon`	`I've changed /etc/fstab.`
`13:24.25`	`PloneUser932850`	`greycat, lucky you. more options when getting junk foods with your anti-MSG super power.`
`13:24.29`	`nornagon`	`That all right?`
`13:24.49`	`stief`	`valdyn_: here are the specs btw, http://www.aurora.se/iiyama/iiyama-prolite-l400w.htm`
`13:24.57`	`PloneUser932850`	`http://igloo.its.unimelb.edu.au/funny/movies/singhsons.html`
`13:25.07`	`stief`	`valdyn_: does "PixelPitch" have anything todo with DPI?`
`13:25.35`	`jm_`	`DPI is calculated from the display size and the resolution`
`13:26.20`	`stief`	`jm_: okee so i need height and width in milimeters ? and my resolutions is 1280x768`
`13:26.54`	`jm_`	`stief: yes, it's in millimeters`
`13:27.47`	`stief`	`jm_: and do you perhpas know the way how i can calculate my dpi ? cause xdpyinfo shows i'm using a low dpi display atm`
`13:28.08`	`valdyn_`	`stief: well if its a 40" display then it sure is low dpi`
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`13:29.28`	`miki2`	`hi, is there a debian image somewhere that I can use right away in a virtual pc?`
`13:29.34`	`stief`	`valdyn_: what kind of dpi would you expect? 75 like you just said?`
`13:29.53`	`valdyn_`	`stief: no, the one you already have should be correct`
`13:30.06`	`valdyn_`	`stief: dpi means dots per inch, trivial to calculate`
`13:30.31`	`nornagon`	`Yeah. Dots per inch = 0.`
`13:30.42`	`stief`	`valdyn_: 37x37 should be correct?`
`13:30.43`	`nornagon`	`I think you mean square inch. :P`
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`13:30.53`	`stief`	`valdyn_: i'm gonna fill in the DisplaySize in xf86config`
`13:30.59`	`valdyn_`	`nornagon: no, certainly not`
`13:31.08`	`stief`	`valdyn_: perhaps the dpi also changes from 23x37 to some other value`
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`13:31.36`	`nornagon`	`Okay, here I go to hope GRUB works fine.`
`13:31.41`	`jm_`	`stief: here's mine: dimensions: 1280x960 pixels (412x297 millimeters) -> DPI is 79x82`
`13:32.12`	`stief`	`jm_: and how big is your screen?`
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`13:32.19`	`jm_`	`stief: you can see it above`
`13:32.37`	`stief`	`jm_: how did you get the dpi? also with xdpyinfo ?`
`13:32.54`	`jm_`	`stief: correct, resolution is the DPI`
`13:33.01`	`stief`	`jm_: my specs say 862.080mm W x 517.248mm H`
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`13:33.26`	`jm_`	`stief: yeah, about 40cm diagonal`
`13:33.31`	`jm_`	`err 40"`
`13:34.04`	`kyughanum`	`hello all`
`13:34.04`	`stief`	`jm_: okee i've put DisplaySize 862 517 in my monitor section in XF86Config-4`
`13:34.16`	`stief`	`jm_: i'll try that now, see if that changes the resolution in xdpyinfo`
`13:34.16`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: your nic does not have its own pciID, its the same device that is listed as firewire`
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`13:34.24`	`kyughanum`	`i want to install openoffice`
`13:34.29`	`jm_`	`stief: I remember someone here saying that didn't affect things`
`13:34.41`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: interesting`
`13:34.42`	`jm_`	`stief: but it honours my values`
`13:34.44`	`kyughanum`	`how can i do it?`
`13:34.45`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: Realtek 8139 driver is what someone claims to work`
`13:34.53`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: use apt-get`
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`13:35.00`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: omg please no. i will try it`
`13:35.03`	`kyughanum`	`yes`
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`13:35.20`	`stief`	`jm_: ow... i wonder why i get suchs a screwed up screen, i started doubting the screen, but when i connect a OSX box to it, everything was verry good`
`13:35.21`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: just load that driver and try get up the interface_`
`13:35.22`	`kyughanum`	`i use apt-get install openoffice`
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`13:35.35`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: " i got it to work w/ 8139, don't ask me how "`
`13:35.39`	`kyughanum`	`but it can't finish`
`13:35.41`	`jm_`	`stief: define fucked up`
`13:35.54`	`stief`	`jm_: well i have to do my best in order to read what your typing ;)`
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`13:36.05`	`jm_`	`stief: are you using gnome or kde?`
`13:36.16`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: you tried apt-get install openoffice.org , did you do an apt-get update before that?`
`13:36.22`	`stief`	`jm_: i'm using XFCE at the moment, but i tried GNOME as well, havent yet tried KDE`
`13:36.30`	`kyughanum`	`yes`
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`13:36.45`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: any error messages?`
`13:37.10`	`stief`	`jm_: i'm willing to install KDE if i should test something out, no problemo`
`13:37.17`	`jm_`	`stief: try "xterm -fn 10x20"`
`13:37.20`	`jm_`	`stief: naah`
`13:37.27`	`kyughanum`	`tools-lt~i want to install sample-chinese version~~`
`13:37.34`	`jm_`	`stief: font in xterm should be huge on your screen`
`13:37.47`	`stief`	`jm_: huge font, but i can read it perfectly :-)`
`13:38.06`	`jm_`	`stief: so what is the problem exactly?`
`13:38.06`	`stief`	`jm_: all thought the @ sign looks just like a ... huge DOT :-)`
`13:38.17`	`kyughanum`	`tools-lt~~it's the same command?`
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`13:38.48`	`stief`	`jm_: well also the GUI , like images on my desktop, doesn't get displayed clearly, e.g. ... how can i explain it... Hmmm :-)`
`13:39.03`	`grivell`	`stief: If you need a media player: http://grivell.home.comcast.net/sshots/amarok1.png This is what I use. Best that I have tried (use Xine engine though, gstreamer is buggy and uses more cpu power)`
`13:39.12`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: If you want other languages, you can install the base of openoffice.org using apt-get install openoffice.org and (example) Traditional-Chinese with apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-zh-tw`
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`13:39.22`	`jm_`	`stief: hmm well you often have to adjust how fontconfig renderer works on TFT display - the rgb order and whatnot`
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`13:39.41`	`jm_`	`stief: but this only affects fonts, not images`
`13:39.46`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: Try something like "apt-cache search openoffice chinese" to see your options`
`13:40.41`	`stief`	`jm_: can i do fontconfig redering while X is running ? or should a better stop X first?`
`13:40.51`	`valdyn_`	`lsusb / lspci - like tool for firewire?`
`13:40.58`	`kyughanum`	`tools-lt~~thanks`
`13:41.07`	`valdyn_`	`is there a lsusb / lspci - like tool for firewire?`
`13:41.08`	`jm_`	`stief: yes you can, but I am wondering if this is the problem for you because you said images are not displayed properly`
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`13:41.21`	`poof`	`hey, i have "bash" in /usr/local/bin/ .. how to make a link of it to /bin/ ?`
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`13:41.51`	`jm_`	`valdyn_: apt-cache found gscanbus`
`13:41.52`	`stief`	`jm_: i on close insepection i think it's just the font indeed`
`13:41.54`	`tools-lt`	`poof: cd /bin ; ln /usr/local/bin/bash -s`
`13:41.58`	`jm_`	`stief: ok`
`13:42.09`	`stief`	`jm_: let me figure out fontconfig :-)`
`13:42.13`	`Sjimmie`	`is there something like ACDSee for linux?`
`13:42.17`	`Pappa`	`what does the slash at the end of an ip address mean?`
`13:42.22`	`Pappa`	`like 127.0.0.0/8`
`13:42.30`	`sml`	`Pappa: the subnet mask`
`13:42.39`	`goonie`	`hi, can anyone tell me how to rebuild the xfree package? I've downloaded the source using apt-get, and put a patch in the patch directory. Now what?`
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`13:42.46`	`Sjimmie`	`Pappa: the mask, /8 means all ips under 127.*`
`13:42.56`	`sml`	`Pappa: 8 = 8 bits i.e. 255.0.0.0, or 11111111.00000000.00000000.00000000`
`13:43.04`	`Sjimmie`	`Pappa: /16 means all ips under 127.0.*`
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`13:43.21`	`stief`	`jm_: you also have a font type which you recommend to put in my XF86Config-4 ?`
`13:43.28`	`Sjimmie`	`and slash 24 is the C class subnet`
`13:43.29`	`Sjimmie`	`:)`
`13:43.30`	`Pappa`	`Sjimmie: so, 192.168.0.0/24 would be 192.168.0.* ?`
`13:43.34`	`jm_`	`stief: what do you mean?`
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`13:43.36`	`Sjimmie`	`yes Pappa`
`13:43.38`	`Pappa`	`right`
`13:43.39`	`Pappa`	`ty`
`13:43.40`	`goonie`	`Sjimmie: what does ACDCee do?`
`13:43.44`	`kyughanum`	`tools-lt~~openoffice.org-l10n-zh-cn - Chinese Simplified language package for OpenOffice.org`
`13:43.45`	`Sjimmie`	`and /32 is useless :)`
`13:43.50`	`brosio`	`anyone known a tool linke iostat that report which program is writing on hd blocks or using I/O ?`
`13:43.53`	`valdyn_`	`tarzeau: if youre still playing with this, try gscanbus when your firewire driver is loaded - i bet theres your nic`
`13:44.01`	`Sjimmie`	`goonie: ACDSee is an advanced image viewing program for windows`
`13:44.08`	`jharrisonwk`	`im glad I dont live in canada`
`13:44.16`	`kyughanum`	`it's only a language package`
`13:44.20`	`simonrvn`	`classed nets aren't used anymore. it's all CIDR now`
`13:44.22`	`stief`	`jm_: in my XF86Config-4 i now have FontPath "unix/:7100"`
`13:44.23`	`Sjimmie`	`with some small editing options, like resize and crop, and format`
`13:44.28`	`sml`	`Pappa: and then of course there are classless nets ;) like 253 etc`
`13:44.30`	`Sjimmie`	`but works for entire folders etc...`
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`13:44.56`	`goonie`	`Sjimmie: there was a review on lwn.net of image viewers a couple of months ago.`
`13:45.05`	`Sjimmie`	`oke, let me check it out`
`13:45.07`	`stief`	`jm_: and some more like... FontPath "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"`
`13:45.10`	`sml`	`simonrvn: correction. classes nets aren't used on public networks anymore. who gives a toss on your home private net :-)`
`13:45.11`	`jm_`	`stief: that's OK`
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`13:45.18`	`sml`	`s/classes/classless`
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`13:45.25`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: Yeah, but when you 'apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-zh-cn' it should install the base openoffice.org files as well`
`13:45.25`	`goonie`	`Look for "Grumpy Editor's Guide to Image Viewers" or something like that.`
`13:45.30`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: ok thanks`
`13:45.32`	`simonrvn`	`sml: true 'nough`
`13:45.46`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: You might need to set your language to simpl. chin. to see a result in Openoffice`
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`13:46.10`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: did you see that /. article about the new canadian internet laws?`
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`13:46.32`	`kyughanum`	`ok`
`13:46.35`	`simonrvn`	`jharrisonwk: nope. should i be worried?`
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`13:46.56`	`stief`	`jm_: is it correct that fontconfig isn't a binary on my system even thought fontconfig is installed? or isn't it in the default PATH? when i look in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf i read that i should not edit the file cause FONTCONFIG does this :-)`
`13:46.57`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: I would be`
`13:47.08`	`simonrvn`	`oh great.. URI?`
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`13:47.24`	`jm_`	`stief: yes, you configure it by editing fonts.conf, but keep that one intact, you can use /etc/fonts/local.conf or ~/.fonts.conf`
`13:47.27`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1110150624459&call_pageid=970599119419`
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`13:47.42`	`kyughanum`	`tools-lt~~you mean i only need apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-zh-cn?`
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`13:47.51`	`sml`	`jharrisonwk: ever used tinyurl.com ? ;-)`
`13:47.53`	`CristyL`	`when i try to mount my other vfat partition on my hdd..i have to be root..to access them..is there any way i could read what's on them without beeing root?`
`13:47.57`	`stief`	`jm_: k, is bitmapped fonts ideally?`
`13:48.15`	`Pappa`	`alright postfix cooperates with me`
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`13:48.21`	`jm_`	`stief: no`
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`13:48.39`	`jharrisonwk`	`sml: http://tinyurl.com/6q6u7`
`13:48.39`	`stief`	`jm_: okee i turned on the autohinter module`
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`13:48.52`	`sml`	`jharrisonwk: :-) grazie`
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`13:49.17`	`simonrvn`	`'lawful access'? eeew`
`13:49.30`	`jm_`	`stief: someone told me today to disable autohinter with TFT displays, but to enable hinting and set hintstyle to hintfull - I noticed jack all on my CRT, experiment and you'll see what works best`
`13:49.43`	`tools-lt`	`kyughanum: Yeah, apt-get selects all dependencies for you, so it's still a 50meg download or something`
`13:49.53`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: i started gscanbus it only shows me the S400 Linux OHCI-1394 with a tux in it`
`13:49.54`	`stief`	`jm_: okee i will, do i need to restart anything in order to see the result?`
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`13:50.35`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: apparently vonage is paracitic`
`13:50.36`	`Sjimmie`	`goonie: gwenview it is for kde, gthumb for gnome`
`13:51.01`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: and they want people to pay for viewing content that is made freely available`
`13:51.08`	`simonrvn`	`yeh. right. and i'm bishop of rome`
`13:51.09`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: and all this while they are spying on you`
`13:51.13`	`jm_`	`stief: restarting the apps should do - and test with something like xterm -fn 'xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'`
`13:51.20`	`simonrvn`	`i'm reading it ;)`
`13:51.32`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: read faster`
`13:51.44`	`jharrisonwk`	`:-P`
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`13:52.25`	`jm_`	`stief: but you need to enable truetype fonts in xterm (you can also use urxvt instead)`
`13:52.40`	`tarzeau`	`valdyn_: i can't load the 8139too or 8139cp kernel modules :(`
`13:52.51`	`tools-lt`	`jharrison: So first we build free software, then we want free hardware. Next up, let's get us a free country. :)`
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`13:53.18`	`jharrisonwk`	`tools-lt: there is no such thing as freedom`
`13:53.29`	`tam`	`does anyone know what time the debian servers get sync'd with new packages>`
`13:53.33`	`tam`	`s/>/?`
`13:53.41`	`tools-lt`	`jharrison: I know, thats the sad part.`
`13:53.52`	`jharrisonwk`	`tools-lt: its not sad`
`13:53.57`	`mwilson`	`jm_: When did xterm start accepting font specifications formatted like that?`
`13:54.02`	`jharrisonwk`	`tools-lt: pure freedom = anarchy`
`13:54.02`	`inc\|freaky`	`where can i find out what tv-card im using?`
`13:54.09`	`tam`	`in scotland we have freedom of information: http://www.itspublicknowledge.info`
`13:54.20`	`simonrvn`	`this is disgusting`
`13:54.34`	`simonrvn`	`we have to fight this`
`13:54.43`	`tools-lt`	`jharrisonwk: I heard that one before somewhere, good point.`
`13:54.46`	`jharrisonwk`	`canada seems to be one step away from being communistic`
`13:55.03`	`Phated`	`simonrvn: How can we help? :)`
`13:55.10`	`simonrvn`	`jharrisonwk: FYI, a lot of activists communciate via the net. just another way to limit protest and information`
`13:55.16`	`jharrisonwk`	`tools-lt: yeah but freedom is still good if it is the right level of freedom`
`13:55.22`	`simonrvn`	`fucking sick`
`13:55.23`	`jm_`	`mwilson: my bad, should have been -fa`
`13:55.43`	`jm_`	`stief: use -fa, not -fn`
`13:55.45`	`jm_`	`thanks for noticing it`
`13:55.47`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: im sure the government of canada has all kinds of "secret" reasons for doing these things`
`13:56.00`	`simonrvn`	`"national security interests"`
`13:56.04`	`jharrisonwk`	`yeah`
`13:56.06`	`tools-lt`	`jharrisonwk: Think that the problem then becomes, everybody has a diffrent way of "acceptable freedom"`
`13:56.19`	`simonrvn`	`not enough that C-36 and friends are worse than the patriot act`
`13:56.26`	`jharrisonwk`	`tools-lt: thats why there are laws and rules and structure`
`13:56.35`	`SerpentWolf`	`can anyone recommend any ways of getting debian installed on an ancient system (pent 133/16 MB ram, no X req'd) ... die sarge net inst doesnt boot past "found compressed image..."`
`13:56.52`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: like I said I am glad I dont live in cananda`
`13:56.53`	`simonrvn`	`it is a civic duty to disobey if the laws of the land are unjust`
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`13:57.25`	`jharrisonwk`	`its a wonder the canadian government does not try to tax me`
`13:57.31`	`simonrvn`	`and your right. any impedient to that right is a violation of your rights as a person`
`13:57.37`	`tools-lt`	`SerpentWolf: I would take out the harddisk ( if it's an IDE ), plug it in a normal system and run an install using deboot.`
`13:57.51`	`tools-lt`	`SerpentWolf: But ok, that's not an easy solution. :)`
`13:57.54`	`Rawplayer`	`how can i rebuild /var/lib/apt/`
`13:58.00`	`Rawplayer`	`i have deleted it`
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`13:58.23`	`jm_`	`try mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists && apt-get update`
`13:58.23`	`greycat`	`SerpentWolf: install woody and then upgrade it. sarge can't install in 16 MB.`
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`13:58.40`	`tools-lt`	`SerpentWolf: That was my 2nd option`
`13:58.58`	`greycat`	`sarge is a big guy.`
`13:58.58`	`SerpentWolf`	`greycat & tools-lt thanks.... ill do whatever it takes, i just cant handle slack anymore.`
`13:59.00`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: you should fight it but to be honest I think you could fight it today and be successfull but for your children and into the future they may loose the battle`
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`13:59.04`	`grivell`	`The Canadian government hasn't actually done anything afaik. It is a bunch of goons trying to get them to.`
`13:59.13`	`jharrisonwk`	`simonrvn: governments seem to eventually get thier way`
`13:59.22`	`greycat`	`jharrisonwk: LOSE! LOSE! Not "loose"!`
`13:59.23`	`jharrisonwk`	`their`
`13:59.29`	`jharrisonwk`	`sorry`
`13:59.33`	`jharrisonwk`	`morning time`
`13:59.34`	`Phated`	`As long as you're dead when they do get their way. :)`
`13:59.40`	`simonrvn`	`that's why you have to tell the children that they have rights, and to use them`
`13:59.45`	`jharrisonwk`	`ah yes`
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`13:59.57`	`simonrvn`	`otherwise they will lose them`
`14:00.10`	`jharrisonwk`	`the I dont give a shit about my children or future generations of my country attitude`
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`14:00.43`	`CyberShadow`	`how to reconfigure my mouse?`
`14:00.53`	`simonrvn`	`not enough people know what the UDHR says. and they should. my difference with that doc is that it doesn't say that those rights ARE INHERENT, and NOT GIVEN`
`14:01.02`	`simonrvn`	`</rant>`
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`14:01.24`	`j_k`	`Cyanophytes: what do you mean exactly ?`
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`14:02.00`	`CyberShadow`	`...how to reconfigure my mouse?`
`14:02.25`	`Phated`	`For X, or gpm?`
`14:02.39`	`Phated`	`Or... whatever else that could use the mouse, I guess.`
`14:02.52`	`inc\|freaky`	`where can i find out what tv-card im using? please help me :( i wanna get the remote control to work :D`
`14:03.14`	`jim`	`Phated: those are the two we know about`
`14:03.31`	`Phated`	`jim: Yep, all right, just waiting for him to answer how.`
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`14:03.59`	`jim`	`oh, he ddn't hear the question!`
`14:04.04`	`CyberShadow`	`ok, 1 more time. how to reconfigure my mouse?`
`14:04.16`	`Phated`	`CyberShadow: For what? gpm or X?`
`14:04.16`	`CyberShadow`	`i keep bailing out`
`14:04.23`	`CyberShadow`	`console`
`14:04.31`	`Phated`	`Er, install gpm then.`
`14:04.31`	`jim`	`so, gpm`
`14:04.33`	`CyberShadow`	`my mouse type, mainly`
`14:04.35`	`kyughanum`	`i want to the httpd start when the system boot~~how can i do?`
`14:04.50`	`jim`	`what is the type?`
`14:04.52`	`scarynetworkguy`	`CyberShadow: Install gpm 90% of the time the defualts just work.`
`14:04.56`	`CyberShadow`	`VMware type`
`14:04.58`	`stief`	`jm_: will sub-pixel rendering also help me out if fonts are the problem?`
`14:05.03`	`CyberShadow`	`I do have gpm`
`14:05.09`	`jm_`	`stief: yes, that's useful for TFT screens`
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`14:05.16`	`CyberShadow`	`but the X server says it can't detect my mouse`
`14:05.27`	`kyughanum`	`who can tell me?`
`14:05.30`	`CyberShadow`	`in the console, when I move it it jerks around wildly`
`14:05.45`	`Phated`	`Dpkg-reconfigure gpm?`
`14:05.50`	`CyberShadow`	`and copies and pastes random pieces of text on the screen`
`14:05.53`	`jim`	`Phated: I'm clueless as to his situation`
`14:06.13`	`Phated`	`jim: Me too. I suppose he could reconfigure X as well.`
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`14:06.19`	`stief`	`jm_: ok i found a howto :-) so i'll better start reading right away :-)`
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`14:06.25`	`jm_`	`stief: URL?`
`14:06.44`	`CyberShadow`	`oh, and mhere does gdm store its setting? I want to make a back-up.`
`14:06.59`	`greycat`	`ls -d /etc/gdm*`
`14:07.06`	`Phated`	`What he said.`
`14:07.22`	`bogon`	`gdm != gpm`
`14:07.22`	`trouble`	`i want to setup a ftp server, what is a good one to use for newbies ??`
`14:07.27`	`CyberShadow`	`"pkg-reconfigure gdm" tries to strat X, but it then complains it can't start and nothing happens.`
`14:07.33`	`Phated`	`Er, gpm...`
`14:07.37`	`stief`	`jm_: http://jmason.org/howto/subpixel.html`
`14:07.42`	`CyberShadow`	`ah, ok :)`
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`14:07.50`	`jm_`	`stief: nice, thanks`
`14:07.54`	`stief`	`jm_: maybe it's not the best one`
`14:08.04`	`stief`	`jm_: if i get it working i'll let you know`
`14:08.31`	`trouble`	`dpkg ftp`
`14:08.31`	`dpkg`	`from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine.`
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`14:09.28`	`shadebob`	`hi`
`14:09.46`	`trouble`	`anyone know a good ftp for noobs ?`
`14:09.54`	`jerome`	`vsftpd`
`14:09.59`	`trouble`	`ty`
`14:10.22`	`jerome`	`look at the sample files, you should be able to find what you need easily`
`14:10.28`	`trouble`	`ok`
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`14:10.55`	`frood`	`hey all`
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`14:11.24`	`Desiac`	`anyone suggest a good enterprise level virus package, something like proxy server to hold latest patches and definitions, and win clietns connect in to local and grab required files`
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`14:12.40`	`frood`	`umm,`
`14:12.49`	`frood`	`sophos?`
`14:12.52`	`frood`	`thats pretty good`
`14:13.16`	`frood`	`the server automatically updates the clients as and when they are needed`
`14:13.48`	`Desiac`	`sounds exactly like what i need, thnx for the advise :)`
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`14:15.51`	`inc\|freaky`	`how do i install a tv-card? i got a Pinnacle SAA7134 hwinfo says driver: saa7134`
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`14:17.06`	`dvs`	`!wayttd inc\|freaky`
`14:17.07`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, inc\|freaky?`
`14:17.54`	`[Cadet]`	`inc\|freaky: modprobe saa7134 && apt-get install xawtv`
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`14:18.13`	`wansti`	`hi there`
`14:18.41`	`wansti`	`does anybody know how to dump the output of an unsupported usb device?`
`14:19.01`	`inc\|freaky`	`im trying to get the remote control to work`
`14:19.03`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 812] by debhelper`
`14:19.04`	`inc\|freaky`	`i tried installing lirc`
`14:19.07`	`inc\|freaky`	`but i cant find the card`
`14:19.13`	`inc\|freaky`	`and i dont know which of them is supported`
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`14:19.37`	`inc\|freaky`	`[Cadet]: k, no errors, installed - how can i get the remote control to work?`
`14:19.51`	`[Cadet]`	`inc\|freaky: I have no idea, never had one`
`14:20.00`	`[Cadet]`	`inc\|freaky: read`
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`14:20.20`	`[Cadet]`	`inc\|freaky: maybe it is called lirc or something like that`
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`14:20.49`	`inc\|freaky`	`[Cadet]: yea, my tv-card is not listed in the "please select a driver which supports your hardware" dialog box`
`14:20.55`	`inc\|freaky`	`:((`
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`14:21.38`	`[Cadet]`	`inc\|freaky: no idea then sorry`
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`14:22.01`	`inc\|freaky`	`awkay, thx`
`14:22.32`	`wansti`	`does anyone know how to determine which device (if any) a usb device is being assigned to?`
`14:22.47`	`petemc`	`wansti: what kind of usb device?`
`14:23.41`	`wansti`	`petemc: well, that might be the problem... it's a PlayStation 2 input device (most definitely unsupported by Debian :))`
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`14:24.05`	`wansti`	`i simply want to see if it generates any output, because i think it's broken`
`14:24.12`	`petemc`	`wansti: mm, you could try looking in /proc/bus/usb/devices`
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`14:24.46`	`wansti`	`petemc: it's being assigned an address... but is there a way to see it's output?`
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`14:25.29`	`MstbZalle`	`hi there`
`14:26.06`	`jm_`	`I forgot which device is used by TORCS with my Logitech wheel, let me ask my bro if he remembers it`
`14:26.15`	`MstbZalle`	`doesn't look as busy here as I thought it'd be... probably too early in the day? ;)`
`14:26.52`	`petemc`	`wansti: no idea`
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`14:26.59`	`stief`	`jm_: looks like debian sarge allready uses the sub-pixel rendering since /etc/fonts/local.conf allready has the rgba container`
`14:27.03`	`wansti`	`petemc: damn... thanks, though`
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`14:27.41`	`jm_`	`stief: it asks if you want to enable it when you install it`
`14:28.04`	`jm_`	`wansti: read input.txt`
`14:28.42`	`wansti`	`jm_: input.txt? where do i find it?`
`14:29.42`	`mwilson`	`There you go, asking people to read again.`
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`14:30.15`	`jm_`	`wansti: kernel docs, you can also try using evtest if your kernel supports Event interface`
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`14:30.27`	`stief`	`jm_: yeah i'm looking at it with the debian configuration now, indeed the option i choose was subpixel rendering allready, damn some sub-pixel rendering doesn't solve my problem :( toobad`
`14:30.44`	`stief`	`jm_: i do get to learn a lot more now :-)`
`14:30.45`	`jerome`	`um, I guess vsftpd dependency on openssl means it support ssl certificates`
`14:30.50`	`jm_`	`stief: it supports different values, i.e. rgb, rbg - and this depends on your screen`
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`14:31.08`	`wansti`	`jm_: event interfaces are supported but the usb device apparently isn't assigned an event device`
`14:31.32`	`jm_`	`wansti: ahh, probably nothing recognizes it or you don't have full input support`
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`14:32.13`	`Space_NL`	`Can anyone tell me the APT package name for the desktop program enlightenment ?`
`14:32.16`	`wansti`	`jm_: as i said, it's a most definitely unsupported device`
`14:32.32`	`Space_NL`	`installed a new machine with debian .. but i get an empty xserver .. no desktop .. grmbl`
`14:32.36`	`greycat`	`Space_NL: apt-cache search enlightenment`
`14:32.37`	`jm_`	`wansti: yeah, you'll have better luck on the USB mailing list`
`14:32.40`	`maebmij`	`Space_NL: enlightenment...?`
`14:32.48`	`f0ssi`	`guys i have a problem aigan :c`
`14:32.51`	`wansti`	`jm_: i'll try, thanks`
`14:32.57`	`Coke`	`Space_NL: apt-cache search enlightenment`
`14:33.03`	`mwilson`	`Space_NL: Just couldn't look for yourself, huh?`
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`14:33.08`	`Space_NL`	`in that case i gather enlightenment is not on the first debian cdrom .. means i need to get network going first .. thnx peeps!`
`14:33.09`	`f0ssi`	`Mar 8 15:27:33 t292 kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out`
`14:33.09`	`f0ssi`	`Mar 8 15:27:33 t292 kernel: eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0000, PHY status 7`
`14:33.09`	`f0ssi`	`86d, resetting...`
`14:33.09`	`f0ssi`	`Mar 8 15:27:33 t292 kernel: eth0: Promiscuous mode enabled.`
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`14:33.24`	`f0ssi`	`d'oh`
`14:33.29`	`f0ssi`	`sry`
`14:33.42`	`jim`	`f0ssi: over the years I would imagine you'd have many problems to solve`
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`14:33.50`	`stief`	`jm_: how can i see which font i'm currently using?`
`14:33.52`	`Space_NL`	`mwilson: i did .. but it said the pakage didnt exist .. kinda forgot it wont return ftp packages as no inet on it (yet!)`
`14:34.00`	`f0ssi`	`yer but i dont know what to do :/`
`14:34.09`	`f0ssi`	`my log arrived ?`
`14:34.11`	`jm_`	`stief: using for what?`
`14:34.24`	`mwilson`	`!cd contents`
`14:34.24`	`dpkg`	`[cd contents] http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7`
`14:34.25`	`stief`	`jm_: i'm wondering which font i'm using in my current xterm`
`14:34.31`	`jm_`	`stief: try appres xterm`
`14:34.37`	`SerpentWolf`	`guys ok i did liek u recommended... got a base system installed... thanks... pppoeconf succeeded, and it dsl is online.... but i cant ping anything... (routes maybe?)`
`14:34.41`	`jm_`	`stief: better yet, appres XTerm`
`14:34.52`	`stief`	`jm_: coo!`
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`14:35.03`	`jim`	`why don't you post the relevent parts of your log to a web page, maybe a paster system like rafb.net/paste`
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`14:35.04`	`stief`	`jm_: i meant "cool" :-)`
`14:35.12`	`jm_`	`stief: funny, I read it as cool`
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`14:35.28`	`f0ssi`	`?`
`14:35.49`	`MstbZalle`	`anyone know a good howto on installing sid "the hard way"? wanna invest some time to set up a system from scratch`
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`14:36.28`	`stief`	`jm_: well it's hard for me to see at the moment, looks like two C's and just one O :-)`
`14:36.40`	`stief`	`jm_: als the M looks the same as a N :-)`
`14:36.49`	`mwilson`	`What is "the hard way" supposed to mean? If you can't even figure out how to get to unstable, you have no business running it.`
`14:36.53`	`jm_`	`stief: are you running it in its native resolution?`
`14:37.24`	`f0ssi`	`its a intel ethernet controller runnin' with a cisco network`
`14:37.25`	`f0ssi`	`..`
`14:37.32`	`f0ssi`	`@jim`
`14:37.34`	`inc\|freaky`	`make-kpkg --revision number modules_image <-- what should i choose as number (revision number) ??`
`14:37.39`	`stief`	`jm_: what you mean native resolution? i'm running dimensions: 1280x768 pixels (879x527 millimeters) and resolution: 37x37 dots per inc`
`14:37.45`	`inc\|freaky`	`well, the kernel version?`
`14:37.51`	`jm_`	`stief: screen's native resolution`
`14:37.55`	`stief`	`jm_: 1280x768 is the resolution that's in the spec's of the book`
`14:38.03`	`stief`	`jm_: 1280 i mean`
`14:38.08`	`jm_`	`sie;OK`
`14:38.13`	`mwilson`	`stief: Unlikely.`
`14:38.25`	`stief`	`jm_: 1280 looks like 1283 at the moment :-)`
`14:38.26`	`jim`	`inc\|freaky: a number you assign to identify which one this is...`
`14:38.30`	`maebmij`	`widescreen?`
`14:38.39`	`stief`	`mwilson: it is, it's WXGA`
`14:38.40`	`inc\|freaky`	`jim: what number could i choose?`
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`14:38.56`	`jm_`	`it is, he has some whacko 40" screen ;)`
`14:38.56`	`stief`	`mwilson: VESA->WXGA->1280x768`
`14:38.57`	`jim`	`1? 42? elevendy leven?`
`14:39.20`	`trouble`	`what is the apt comman for installing a desktop ???`
`14:39.24`	`mwilson`	`stief: Assuming for the moment that the native resolution of the screen is 1280x1280, whyinhell are you (a) running it at 1280x768, (b) wondering why the display looks like sh*t?`
`14:39.27`	`trouble`	`command*`
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`14:39.56`	`greycat`	`never heard of a 1280x1280 native display before.`
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`14:40.17`	`jim`	`trouble: apt-get install <put packagename(s) here>`
`14:40.17`	`maebmij`	`trouble: you could get the gnome desktop with 'apt-get install gnome'`
`14:40.26`	`trouble`	`ok ty`
`14:40.36`	`trouble`	`what about kde ?`
`14:40.45`	`mwilson`	`What about it?`
`14:40.46`	`abrotman`	`greycat: you're such a square`
`14:40.48`	`stief`	`mwilson: did i say 1280x1280? the book say's 1280x768, and that's what xdpyinfo \| grep dimension also say's`
`14:41.08`	`jim`	`trouble: you -might- consider using console mode... that's where all the power of linux is`
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`14:41.18`	`mwilson`	`xdpyinfo provides whatever you've told X to do, and has zero to do with the physical characteristics of the device.`
`14:41.47`	`asuffield`	`hell, I've never heard of a square display`
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`14:41.52`	`stief`	`mwilson: okee, i din't know that`
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`14:41.58`	`BucWheat`	`hi all`
`14:42.04`	`stief`	`mwilson: then how can i see in which resolution my monitor really is now then?`
`14:42.16`	`asuffield`	`in theory xdpyinfo might have got its information from the display's DDC channel. but in practice that doesn't normally work`
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`14:42.45`	`stief`	`mwilson: if i press the "menu" button the the display it self, i'm getting 1024x768`
`14:42.47`	`stief`	`mwilson: ;)`
`14:42.51`	`BucWheat`	`i'm using gdm to automatically log a user into window manager. what file do i need to create/edit to launch mozilla-firefox as soon as the wm is loaded?`
`14:42.52`	`asuffield`	`and DDC channels all too often have nothing to do with the physical characteristics of the device either`
`14:42.58`	`stief`	`mwilson: so indeed its not doing good now`
`14:42.59`	`azreal`	`stief: xwininfo. click on the root window`
`14:43.00`	`trouble`	`im using the command line, but im new to this and its very hard to learn how to do all the thing i need to do`
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`14:43.05`	`valdyn_`	`asuffield: in this case it obviouslz worked, because his xdpyinfo shows the real physical size`
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`14:43.38`	`mwilson`	`valdyn_: Only if you really believe the device is only 37 ppi.`
`14:43.40`	`stief`	`azreal: cool :-) Width:1280 Height: 960`
`14:44.01`	`greycat`	`Loooooovely. The 2.4.x kernel on the pre-rc2 sarge installer likes to segfault on today's laptop, even in singl^H^H^H^H^H"recovery mode" (vomit), as soon as it undergoes "detecting hardware".`
`14:44.04`	`asuffield`	`valdyn_: it could just be luck. if X doesn't have anything better to go by, it guesses`
`14:44.16`	`asuffield`	`sometimes it even guesses right. usually it guesses very badly`
`14:44.20`	`mwilson`	`Now that begs the question, if you're going to claim the device is 1280x768 native, how are you getting 960 out of it?`
`14:44.41`	`mwilson`	`Other than having no actual idea of the specifications.`
`14:44.46`	`asuffield`	`the root window can be larger than the screen`
`14:44.52`	`asuffield`	`although it's usually pretty obvious when it scrolls`
`14:44.59`	`inc\|freaky`	`when i try to do: make-kpkg --revision 2.6.8 modules_image it gives me an error saying: Makefile:359: /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/Rules.make: No such file or directory - what did I do wrong?`
`14:45.13`	`SerpentWolf`	`mmm still cant ping anything outside local network.... is this route related or what.... :/`
`14:45.14`	`stief`	`mwilson: http://www.aurora.se/iiyama/iiyama-prolite-l400w.htm`
`14:45.17`	`stief`	`mwilson: that's the screen`
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`14:46.01`	`azreal`	`inc: make config`
`14:46.07`	`asuffield`	`stief: 1280x768 is only there for "Maximum Resolution", it's not under "Available Resolutions". I conclude that whoever wrote this file was an idiot`
`14:46.18`	`asuffield`	`stief: I would not be particularly inclined to trust it. go get a ruler`
`14:46.22`	`azreal`	`inc: or menuconfig`
`14:46.23`	`asuffield`	`measure the damn thing`
`14:46.26`	`BucWheat`	`i'm using gdm to automatically log a user into window manager. what file do i need to create/edit to launch mozilla-firefox as soon as the wm is loaded?`
`14:46.49`	`stief`	`asuffield: hahaha, okee so i'll measure the size height and width?`
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`14:47.18`	`stief`	`mwilson: when i connect the screen on my OSX box i do get 1280x768 resolution`
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`14:48.26`	`valdyn_`	`stief: type xrandr`
`14:48.51`	`asuffield`	`stief: yeah, and then divide. if it's really 1280x768 then it should be in a 5:3 ratio`
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`14:49.12`	`asuffield`	`if it's 5:4 or 4:3 then the spec sheet is wrong`
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`14:49.41`	`stief`	`valdyn_: 0 1280 x 768 ( 879mm x 527mm ) 74`
`14:49.47`	`greycat`	`BucWheat: probably whatever you edited to launch the WM in the first place.`
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`14:49.50`	`TCW`	`As I see it... there is just ONE freenode server running in the united states, and two in the whole continent?!`
`14:49.51`	`baikonur`	`hi`
`14:49.59`	`TCW`	`s/in/on/`
`14:50.23`	`BucWheat`	`greycat the gdm launches the WM`
`14:50.32`	`baikonur`	`how can I convert ISO-8859 text to unicode?`
`14:50.34`	`TCW`	`Ooops... sorry... two in the us, three on the continent :)`
`14:50.34`	`stief`	`asuffield: 20,5cm Height and 34cm Width`
`14:50.46`	`OrionBerlin`	`Does someone know where i get the Librarys from: GL library. MesaGL library. and opengl32 library ? i need it to compile a game`
`14:50.51`	`asuffield`	`34 / 20.5`
`14:50.51`	`asuffield`	`1.6585365853`
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`14:51.13`	`jim`	`golden ration`
`14:51.15`	`asuffield`	`close enough to 5:3. guess it really is 1280x768, and the "Available resolutions" part is the wrong one`
`14:51.18`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, man apt-file; packages.debian.org`
`14:51.20`	`njan`	`tchmnkyz, three in the US`
`14:51.23`	`jim`	`-n$`
`14:51.24`	`njan`	`TCW, three in the US`
`14:51.26`	`njan`	`--- benford.freenode.net irc.freenode.net :0 Tampa, FL, US, --- niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net :0 Corvallis, OR, US, --- zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net :0 Corvallis, OR, US`
`14:51.54`	`valdyn_`	`stief: can you post a screenshot?`
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`14:52.00`	`njan`	`niven.freenode.net has address 140.211.166.4; zelazny.freenode.net has address 140.211.166.3`
`14:52.03`	`TCW`	`njan, Corvallis, OR Tampa, FL <- that is stated on the freenode webpage`
`14:52.04`	`stief`	`valdyn_: sure, hold on,`
`14:52.06`	`njan`	`although I think those two are in the same place :)`
`14:52.08`	`njan`	`TCW, /links`
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`14:52.32`	`valdyn_`	`stief: that should tell if its your display or your fonts that is wrong`
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`14:52.54`	`asuffield`	`stief: my next observation is that your display is not 879mm x 527mm in size, according to your ruler. that isn't going to be helping matters`
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`14:53.08`	`njan`	`scarynetworkguy, someone needs to edit their configuration files then :)`
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`14:53.46`	`TCW`	`Anyhow... more less compared to europe :)`
`14:53.50`	`scarynetworkguy`	`njan: Which config files?`
`14:53.56`	`TCW`	`s/more//`
`14:54.02`	`njan`	`scarynetworkguy, on second thoughts, no, it's not in florida, it's in corvallis`
`14:54.11`	`scarynetworkguy`	`njan: Right.`
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`14:54.24`	`njan`	`scarynetworkguy, look at the comma separation; I think you misread my truncating three lines into one :)`
`14:54.26`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, its not really helpfull ;/`
`14:54.44`	`stief`	`valdyn_: here is a screendump don't now if you can see if the font is screwed on the screendump, causer here everything looks screwed :-)`
`14:54.49`	`stief`	`valdyn_: http://www.stevenkroon.nl/desktop.png`
`14:54.50`	`SerpentWolf`	`i cant find anything on teh intarweb..... if anyone has any ideas why i can onyl ping local computers, and nothing on the net, please advise :/`
`14:54.50`	`scarynetworkguy`	`njan: I'm confused.`
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`14:55.11`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, why not? apt-file an the ewebsite are capable of seraching packages for $content`
`14:55.15`	`asuffield`	`stief: in fact that might be the only problem. it'll be confusing the fuck out of the font selection stuff, which doesn't work too well at the best of times`
`14:55.16`	`njan`	`scarynetworkguy, instead of pasting three lines into the channel, I pasted one - and put commas in place of linebreaks. type /links and figure it out for yourself.. bbiab, getting my kid from school :p`
`14:55.40`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, i know im searching all the damn day for this damn library and i need it damn >,<`
`14:55.44`	`valdyn_`	`stief: this shot looks perfectly fine`
`14:55.58`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, what is the error message you get?`
`14:56.17`	`stief`	`asuffield: indeed according to the ruller the screen dimension is totally diffrent`
`14:56.29`	`valdyn_`	`stief: fonts may be anti aliased for crt , not lcd, but that is just a minor thing`
`14:56.34`	`OrionBerlin`	`!paste`
`14:56.34`	`dpkg`	`somebody said paste was Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff`
`14:56.40`	`asuffield`	`stief: go stick a DisplaySize directive in the relevant 'Section "Monitor"' in XF86Config-4`
`14:56.53`	`asuffield`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:56.53`	`asuffield`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:56.53`	`asuffield`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:56.54`	`asuffield`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:56.58`	`asuffield`	`should look something like that`
`14:57.07`	`stief`	`asuffield: okee, perfect let me try that out`
`14:57.16`	`stief`	`asuffield: brb got to quit X :-)`
`14:57.17`	`valdyn_`	`stief: i think you may have something like a cabling issue or a spec sheet that lies about "available modes"`
`14:57.32`	`asuffield`	`it's just possible that'll do something`
`14:57.35`	`stief`	`valdyn_: i doubt its the cabling since i use the same cable for my OSX box`
`14:57.36`	`paster`	`"OrionBerlin" at 217.231.160.158 pasted "This is the failure" (74 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/327`
`14:57.51`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, paster has posted it :)`
`14:57.54`	`asuffield`	`(although being so far wrong as to be unreadable is kinda unlikely)`
`14:58.00`	`jm_`	`I thought he had DisplaySize in there already`
`14:58.07`	`greycat`	`OOOOOOOOkay. Sarge's 2.6.8-1-386 kernel also Oopses.`
`14:58.21`	`asuffield`	`jm_: if xdpyinfo claims his display is 80cm across, he's either missing one or it's very, very wrong`
`14:58.29`	`valdyn_`	`stief: very much a hardware fault, but may be triggered by a modeline out of spec, certainly not a dpi thing`
`14:58.44`	`jm_`	`asuffield: he must have put it in wrong section, because the values he gave me resulted in a 40" screen`
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`14:59.04`	`stief`	`valdyn_: okee, maybe my video card in this linux box (GeForece FX 5500) is not good?`
`14:59.25`	`valdyn_`	`stief: that would be one explanation yea`
`14:59.34`	`stief`	`asuffield: i take it that i need to fill in those values of my own monitor or those where the values you wanted me to try in my monitor section?`
`14:59.54`	`stief`	`valdyn_: k cause on my 19" TFT it looks good thought`
`15:00.00`	`asuffield`	`stief: fill in the ones you measured. that would be the size of my monitor :P`
`15:00.06`	`valdyn_`	`asuffield: its 40 inch diagnoally`
`15:00.11`	`PerfDave`	`Hmm, is there a text editor which I can use with GnuPG to edit encrypted text files? It should decrypt them off the disk, and re-encrypt them when it writes, so I don't have to write plaintext to disk and then encrypt it.`
`15:00.27`	`asuffield`	`valdyn_: <stief> asuffield: 20,5cm Height and 34cm Width`
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`15:00.32`	`TCW`	`$ dpkg --get-selections\|grep mesa <- OrionBerlin, please do that`
`15:00.49`	`asuffield`	`I don't care enough to do the math`
`15:00.51`	`resiak`	`PerfDave: vim!`
`15:00.54`	`trouble`	`in my /etc/network/interfaces file what do i put to have it startup with the same ip all the time ??`
`15:00.54`	`valdyn_`	`asuffield: yea, he lied, im reading the specs`
`15:00.57`	`daffy-pkf`	`lo`
`15:01.01`	`stief`	`asuffield: thought so ;-) just watned to make sure :-)`
`15:01.07`	`PerfDave`	`resiak: And how do I make that work with GnuPG, pray?`
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`15:01.22`	`asuffield`	`there's no substitute for measuring the pesky things, I never trust the spec sheets`
`15:01.23`	`valdyn_`	`stief: you may have a chance at fixing this by adding sync signals`
`15:01.24`	`paster`	`"OrionBerlin" at 217.231.160.158 pasted "TCW here is the output" (14 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/328`
`15:01.32`	`resiak`	`PerfDave: I've seen appropriate .vimrc things to do that for files with .gpg endings, for example.`
`15:01.41`	`valdyn_`	`stief: can be switched in your XF86Config-4`
`15:01.53`	`stief`	`valdyn_: okee, i'm all in for it :-) brb let me try toe reload X now with the DisplaySize brb`
`15:01.55`	`NOthsouth`	Hello, I`m on debian sarge, trying to install a printer HP 820Cxi, I`m new in debian, how did I isntall a printer?
`15:02.08`	`resiak`	`PerfDave: Let me look them out. Sadly, I don't use it so haven't got them in my own .vimrc`
`15:02.51`	`TCW`	`libglu1-mesa-dev, mesag-dev <- try and install these and try again`
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`15:03.03`	`resiak`	`!fgi PerfDave vim gpg`
`15:03.06`	`dpkg`	`PerfDave: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=vim gpg`
`15:03.48`	`NOthsouth`	`How did I start CUPS service`
`15:03.48`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, done it. still the same error on compile`
`15:03.50`	`NOthsouth`	`?`
`15:03.53`	`asuffield`	`PerfDave: note that the unencrypted data will probably find its way into your swap files`
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`15:04.05`	`Delph`	`NOthsouth: you installed cups and it decided that as you had installed it you probably wanted to run it.`
`15:04.08`	`PerfDave`	`asuffield: Probably, this is more for convenience than paranoia.`
`15:04.14`	`resiak`	`PerfDave: Sorry, I couldn't resist fgi-ing you :)`
`15:04.27`	`resiak`	`PerfDave: Like I say, I haven't used it. But it looks credible.`
`15:04.37`	`PerfDave`	`asuffield: Although IIRC there is some syscall an application can make to request memory that will not be swapped out.`
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`15:04.44`	`asuffield`	`PerfDave: yes, but only for root`
`15:04.46`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, I think some "dev" stuff is missing... try to install all mesa-dev foo (may sound bogus but... if it helps... g)`
`15:04.47`	`NOthsouth`	`Delph: yes, how did I rn it`
`15:04.49`	`NOthsouth`	`run`
`15:05.02`	`resiak`	`PerfDave: This is why various GPG things like being suid.`
`15:05.03`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, mh ok i will have a try :P`
`15:05.06`	`jerome`	`�a existe un ncftp qui supporte ssl ?`
`15:05.06`	`NOthsouth`	`I need to configurate my printer HP 829cxi`
`15:05.09`	`PerfDave`	`asuffield: Well, like I say, this is for convenience rather than paranoia.`
`15:05.11`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, apt-cache search mesa dev <- and install all that sounds sensefull :)`
`15:05.24`	`jm_`	`PerfDave: tried tkpgp?`
`15:05.29`	`valdyn_`	`!french`
`15:05.29`	`dpkg`	`Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr`
`15:05.45`	`MstbZalle`	`!german`
`15:05.45`	`dpkg`	`german is probably #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de`
`15:05.53`	`jerome`	`oups, sorry for french`
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`15:05.57`	`stief`	`re`
`15:06.00`	`PerfDave`	`jm_: Nope. Looks like there's a .vimrc extension for it which would be awesome.`
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`15:06.16`	`stief`	`asuffield: the font's still look the same, however the DPI has changed, when i do xdpyinfo \| grep resolution i get...`
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`15:06.30`	`stief`	`asuffield: resolution: 95x95 dots per inch`
`15:06.47`	`jm_`	`PerfDave: ahh you wanted to do it in an editor, I misread it`
`15:06.48`	`PerfDave`	`http://www.sdn.or.id/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/debian-reference/examples/_vimrc seems to do what I want ;)`
`15:07.00`	`asuffield`	`stief: that sounds more convincing. not overly surprised that it didn't help, but worth trying`
`15:07.09`	`asuffield`	`~100dpi is the norm`
`15:07.10`	`apt`	`okay, asuffield`
`15:07.10`	`stief`	`asuffield: indeed :-)`
`15:07.16`	`asuffield`	`apt: oh, do shut up`
`15:07.18`	`apt`	`ACTION does shut up.`
`15:07.18`	`valdyn_`	`stief: gnome fonts do not respect that dpi setting`
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`15:07.35`	`dawoua`	`hi`
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`15:07.39`	`stief`	`valdyn_: k, at the moment i'm using XFCE`
`15:07.52`	`frood`	`which = gnome.`
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`15:07.57`	`frood`	`well, gtk2 anyway`
`15:07.57`	`valdyn_`	`stief: that may be the same, i don't know xfce`
`15:07.58`	`stief`	`asuffield: strange that xwininfo say's that i'm using 1280x960`
`15:07.59`	`jm_`	`that will be useful for me, no need to use tkpgp any longer - nice work :)))`
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`15:08.13`	`PerfDave`	`jm_: Somoene else JFGI'd it for me ;)`
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`15:08.59`	`asuffield`	`stief: you have a backdrop loaded. those are the dimensions of the backdrop, not the root window`
`15:09.11`	`asuffield`	`not overly surprisingly, it's a 4:3 image`
`15:09.12`	`stief`	`asuffield: ahhhh okee`
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`15:09.48`	`asuffield`	`you'd have to dispose of that thing to see the root window (should be black-and-white crosshatch) and get its real dimensions`
`15:10.14`	`asuffield`	`not very interesting though`
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`15:10.33`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, still not :(`
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`15:10.45`	`stief`	`asuffield: okee, when i press the "menu" button on the remote control of the screen, see other resolution`
`15:11.11`	`stief`	`asuffield: 1024x768 H: 60 Khz v: 74 Hz`
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`15:11.23`	`ye_old`	`Hi all, this looks like a kernel problem: my debian-sarge makes my laptop go real hot! and after some much cpu load it hangs :( cpu gets REALLY hot! that's scary`
`15:11.31`	`abrotman`	`OrionBerlin: you're still here?`
`15:11.32`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, the check the readme / documentation / foo of thet game and see if you have missed something`
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`15:11.40`	`TCW`	`that even`
`15:11.56`	`OrionBerlin`	`abrotman, yes`
`15:12.02`	`abrotman`	`OrionBerlin: shuldn't you be sleeping?`
`15:12.06`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, wait a moment`
`15:12.11`	`OrionBerlin`	`abrotman, why? :P`
`15:12.14`	`stief`	`mwilson: btw why didn't you believe that the resolution can be 1280x768 for my screen?`
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`15:12.25`	`abrotman`	`i get worried when someone who comes in for help is here more than me :)`
`15:12.46`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, http://scourge.sourceforge.net/`
`15:13.10`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, what should I do with that link?`
`15:13.31`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, there is jusr written: 1. Make sure you have SDL, OpenGL and freetype libraries installed`
`15:13.34`	`asuffield`	`stief: 5:3 is really fricking rare. there's very little point in screens that shape`
`15:14.27`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, as a hint apt-get build-depends may be your friend`
`15:14.53`	`simonrvn`	`build-dep`
`15:15.04`	`TCW`	`simonrvn, ooops... :)`
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`15:15.39`	`Trewas`	`1280x768 is fairly common resolution in laptops at least... and since most of LCDs are 1280x1024 which is 5:4 I'd say all bets are off what kind of weird resolutions/screenshapes they'd make :)`
`15:15.41`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, i enter this as root: apt-get build-depends ?`
`15:16.04`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, if you want... but that would not help you ;)`
`15:16.18`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, i c`
`15:16.20`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, did you ever have read a manpage? :p`
`15:16.21`	`greycat`	`If there's anything more boring and drudge-like than typing an entire kernel's output into an installation report by hand, I don't want to know what it is.`
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`15:16.31`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, mh not really but sometimes :P`
`15:16.34`	`asuffield`	`greycat: why would anybody ever do that?`
`15:16.49`	`abrotman`	`greycat: kernel config by hand?`
`15:16.49`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, so I guess you have to read one NOW! :)`
`15:17.10`	`greycat`	`abrotman: sarge. goes boom. both 2.4 and 2.6.`
`15:17.13`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, ah :P apt-get build-dep`
`15:17.27`	`greycat`	`asuffield: because I don't have the means of setting up a serial console on this laptop?`
`15:17.27`	`asuffield`	`greycat: null modem cable and a serial port :P`
`15:17.33`	`abrotman`	`greycat: should i act surprised ?`
`15:17.40`	`greycat`	`you think they give us serial cables around here? :)`
`15:17.41`	`abrotman`	`greycat: what kind of laptop?`
`15:17.52`	`greycat`	`abrotman: gateway 7320`
`15:17.58`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, but that will neither help you ;) Read the fucking manpage of apt-get, will you?`
`15:17.59`	`abrotman`	`ew`
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`15:18.05`	`asuffield`	`greycat: bah. network cable and the netconsole module`
`15:18.21`	`greycat`	`asuffield: module... wouldn't that require a kernel that boots first?`
`15:18.28`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, yea :P doing it atm`
`15:18.28`	`greycat`	`it's not like I can type commands in.`
`15:18.32`	`abrotman`	`greycat: crash why?`
`15:18.41`	`greycat`	`abrotman: if I knew precisely why, I'd work around it.`
`15:18.52`	`asuffield`	`greycat: I say 'module', but it's really built in`
`15:18.55`	`abrotman`	`greycat: not even a guess ?`
`15:19.05`	`asuffield`	`greycat: dunno if it's in the shipped kernels at present`
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`15:19.37`	`asuffield`	`CONFIG_NETCONSOLE, if you have a config file to hand`
`15:20.12`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, I did mention build-dep(ends :p) because that COULD help you install all the necessary libs you need... for example, do "that" with another game which IS in debian and needs the opengl foo as well, and see what libs got installed`
`15:20.24`	`abrotman`	`greycat: what about insatlling woody and upgrading ?`
`15:20.32`	`ye_old`	`I really need help here, I use Compaq Evo N115 and with debian-sarge and ACPI the cpu gets really hot!! while just using it for some minutes! please I need some help here, would like to upgrade to a 2.6kernel, but it hangs at startup while ACPI..always ACIP`
`15:20.35`	`ye_old`	`acpi`
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`15:20.54`	`greycat`	`abrotman: I may have to try that next.`
`15:20.55`	`SerpentWolf`	`any other south africans here? (what mirrors do u use in sources?)`
`15:20.59`	`greycat`	`now let me type! :P`
`15:21.02`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`15:21.17`	`abrotman`	`greycat: and you tried all the funky options ?`
`15:21.40`	`stief`	`asuffield: aren't all WXGA screen's that ratio then?`
`15:21.59`	`abrotman`	greycat: did you try to append `mode=workyougoddamnpieceofshit` ?
`15:22.05`	`asuffield`	`stief: probably, doesn't mean anything. people make these names up for no reason`
`15:23.03`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, ok i will have a try :P`
`15:23.16`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, as another hint... USE GOOGLE!! http://wiki.splitbrain.org/scourge <-nearly first hit`
`15:23.59`	`asuffield`	`the interesting (useful) ratios are 4:3 (television), 16:9 (widescreen television), and 2.35:1 (anamorphic widescreen, cinematic stuff)`
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`15:24.13`	`stief`	`asuffield: still strange that my OSX box can handle the resolution with no problem`
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`15:24.42`	`SerpentWolf`	`guys, what should an entry in sources.list look liek if i want to get "sarge" from the mirror ?`
`15:25.24`	`humbolt`	`can I start kdm (x) without any local display just offering remote displays via Xdmcp?`
`15:26.17`	`maebmij`	`humbolt: yeah, I did it a while ago. can't remember how.`
`15:26.58`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, ahhhhhh yea it work. I LOVE YOU!!!!! :D`
`15:27.22`	`daffy-pkf`	`what package provides all the tools like automake and autoconf?`
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`15:27.35`	`humbolt`	`perhaps just comemnt out ":0 local@tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp" in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers?`
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`15:28.21`	`stief`	`valdyn_: what did you say aobut the vsync settings which i might try as well?`
`15:29.38`	`humbolt`	`looks like it: http://docs.hp.com/en/B1171-90102/ch01s02.html`
`15:29.50`	`stief`	`valdyn_: indeed i'm looking at the desktop.png at some windows box here, and the font looks _great_ :-)`
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`15:32.14`	`greycat`	`EIP is at i810-set_spdif_output+0x11/0xd6 [i810_audio]`
`15:32.24`	`ye_old`	`how can I enable APM instead of ACPI in grub?`
`15:32.41`	`ye_old`	`I mean, using debian :)`
`15:32.46`	`TCW`	`OrionBerlin, you're not a female... so take care what you say, I may pick that up as an offense ;) btw. what was missing?`
`15:32.56`	`asuffield`	`greycat: you missed`
`15:33.00`	`Joghurt`	`ye_old, iirc add, "acpi=off" to the kernel-line`
`15:33.16`	`nagual`	`im not female either :)`
`15:33.46`	`greycat`	`asuffield: no, abrotman asked what caused it...`
`15:34.02`	`OrionBerlin`	`TCW, mh missing was ; apt-get install libsage-0.1 , apt-get install libfreetype6-dev ,`
`15:34.20`	`ye_old`	`Joghurt: i did that!! and then my /var/log/message said: Feb 26 14:15:31 localhost kernel: Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. Feb 26 14:15:31 localhost kernel: Found and enabled local APIC!`
`15:34.24`	`abrotman`	`greycat: it crashed on the sound driver?`
`15:34.31`	`abrotman`	`greycat: is this after the install ?`
`15:34.34`	`ye_old`	`Joghurt: reenabling...what the...`
`15:34.47`	`abrotman`	`greycat: maybe trying the boot floppies with fewer drivers ?`
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`15:35.18`	`greycat`	`abrotman: this is after installing the base system and rebooting`
`15:35.26`	`TCW`	`nagual, you are living dangerous... but you're not located in germany, so it would be very expensive for me to kick your ass... so, feel free to say whatever you like to ;)`
`15:35.39`	`nagual`	`how do you know im not located in .de? :)`
`15:35.41`	`abrotman`	`greycat: yay ... no sound!!`
`15:36.06`	`ye_old`	`ah wayt a second`
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`15:36.09`	`TCW`	`nagual, ooops... was just a guess... so... BE AWARE!!! :p`
`15:36.12`	`abrotman`	`greycat: boot without discover running .. stop the sound from loading ?`
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`15:36.22`	`Joghurt`	`ye_old: ACPI != APIC`
`15:36.31`	`nagual`	`you never know, vielleich bin ich schwul :-)`
`15:36.45`	`nagual`	`actually, im only halfgerman, but im in stockholm`
`15:36.51`	`greycat`	`abrotman: how does one do that? the fucker runs even in single user mode.`
`15:37.07`	`greycat`	`I suppose there's always init=/bin/sh ...`
`15:37.11`	`asuffield`	`greycat: as a wild stab in the dark, try feeding spdif_locked=44100 to it`
`15:37.32`	`TCW`	`nagual, anyway... I am not (neither gay nor in Stockholm) :)`
`15:37.37`	`Joghurt`	`ye_old: if the APIC gives you problems, disable it to with "nolapic noapic"`
`15:37.44`	`asuffield`	`that'll take a different code path, it'll break sound (probably) but might avoid crashing`
`15:38.18`	`abrotman`	`greycat: really? .. init=/bin/sh ?`
`15:38.19`	`abrotman`	`:)`
`15:38.20`	`nagual`	`TCW: i know, but when you give me buttons to push like that, well, lets just say i almost never turn away free entertainment, and you also seem to have a sense of humour :)`
`15:38.39`	`nagual`	`mm`
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`15:38.47`	`nagual`	`gulasch, with loads of cayennepepper`
`15:38.52`	`TCW`	`nagual, germans don't have a sense of humour!!`
`15:39.01`	`TCW`	`Thats a fact! :)`
`15:39.02`	`Delph`	`cayenne pepper?`
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`15:39.05`	`asuffield`	`greycat: or, hell, just move the damned i810_audio module out of the way`
`15:39.12`	`abrotman`	`heh :)`
`15:39.17`	`nagual`	`im halfgerman, and my sense of humour is huge :)`
`15:39.19`	`abrotman`	`!asuffield++`
`15:39.27`	`ye_old`	`TCW: well that wasn't quite humorous of you :)`
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`15:39.38`	`TCW`	`ye_old, you see? :)`
`15:39.39`	`Trevelyan`	`HI, now that tasksel does not seem to have a games task anymore, what the best way to install all the games (reasonably possible) with out having to manually apt get them all ??`
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`15:39.41`	`SerpentWolf`	`what would a line in sources.list look liek to apt sarge ?`
`15:39.41`	`nagual`	`Delph: very hot spice, could be called something else in english, i just translated it directly from swedish`
`15:39.52`	`resiak`	`SerpentWolf: Why do you ask?`
`15:39.56`	`resiak`	`SerpentWolf: Just use apt-setup`
`15:40.10`	`Garp`	`Hi`
`15:40.12`	`SerpentWolf`	`resiak... i want to add a mirror which apt-setup doesnt know about`
`15:40.44`	`TCW`	`SerpentWolf, use apt-setup anyhow`
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`15:41.08`	`Garp`	`Question (HELP): my X11 cursor is not "active" any more: it move if I mouve the mouse but doesnt click anywere, I run xscreensaver (worked) but said "cannot grab the cursor, already grabbed" What can I do? Thanks.`
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`15:41.08`	`TCW`	`SerpentWolf, there you can add a mirror "manually"`
`15:41.18`	`SerpentWolf`	`ok... dont think it added 'sarge' tho.`
`15:41.19`	`SerpentWolf`	`thanks`
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`15:42.39`	`m0p`	`hello. I have installed sarge, but now when I boot up, just after ata drive detection I get a message saying "Kernel panic! Tried to kill init". I used to be able to boot, but now this message won't go away. I'm using kernel 2.6.8-2-686.`
`15:42.59`	`Trevelyan`	`hmm, apt-get install junior* seems to have got a fair few`
`15:43.00`	`m0p`	`I also get the message with the default kernel.`
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`15:43.31`	`BleSS`	`is it possible to know if linux has begun from a portatil?`
`15:43.35`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: How did you install 2.6.8-2-686 if your default kernel panics?`
`15:43.52`	`m0p`	`It worked the first time I booted up after installation.`
`15:43.54`	`Garp`	`BleSS : a portatil ?`
`15:44.02`	`greycat`	`do I want to know what a portatil is?`
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`15:44.31`	`m0p`	`Both kernel's panic, even in recovery mode.`
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`15:44.42`	`m0p`	`I've reinstalled several times and I get the same problem.`
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`15:44.45`	`resiak`	`!apostrophesmite m0p`
`15:44.56`	`greycat`	`woohoo! it's sarge can't boot day!`
`15:45.17`	`BleSS`	`Garp, yes`
`15:45.37`	`Garp`	`BleSS: what does "portatil" means ?`
`15:45.45`	`m0p`	`I doubt it is the RAM since I've tried loads of combinations with 4 different sticks.`
`15:45.53`	`hellfire`	`m0p: so you booted once. it didnt work. then you rebooted? and then it didnt work. what did you do between the reboots?`
`15:45.56`	`resiak`	`m0p: Just a thought.`
`15:46.08`	`hellfire`	`m0p: the first didnt is a did.`
`15:46.16`	`BleSS`	`Garp, sorry portable pc`
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`15:46.39`	`resiak`	`Baby: What do you mean by "has linux begun"?`
`15:47.11`	`m0p`	`After I rebooted after the base install, it worked. I installed kernel 2.6.8-2-686, rebooted, I got a kernel panic. I tried in recovery mode, same error. Old kernel, same error. I think you should get the pattern by now.`
`15:47.24`	`Garp`	`BleSS : if you want to know abour support of laptops, you can try www.linux-laptop.net <- or something like that. Huge database`
`15:47.32`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: Check your hardware.`
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`15:47.39`	`Baby`	`hi`
`15:47.50`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: Obviously something has changed between your first and second boots of the default kernel.`
`15:48.00`	`BleSS`	`Garp, thx`
`15:48.07`	`Baby`	`hmm... in which context?`
`15:48.11`	`Garp`	`BleSS : I cant run mozilla to give you the exact address because of my current unanswered problem ;-)`
`15:49.01`	`m0p`	`Hmm, nothing has changed.`
`15:49.07`	`resiak`	`Garp: Figure out what program has captured your mouse, and kill it. Do this from a VT`
`15:49.08`	Tweak`TG-Owner	`what one is newer? Sid or sarge?`
`15:49.16`	`resiak`	Tweak`TG-Owner: Sid. If you have to ask that, you should use Sarge
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`15:49.21`	`PerfDave`	Tweak`TG-Owner: They're both roughly the same age. You want to use Sarge.
`15:49.41`	`Garp`	`resiak : OK... there is no other way without killing it ?`
`15:49.45`	`greycat`	`when I rename i810_audio.ko, it boots past that point. I think it even loads an ALSA driver.`
`15:49.49`	Tweak`TG-Owner	`is sarge using the newest 64-bit kernel?`
`15:49.51`	`hellfire`	`m0p: what was the kernel from the base install?`
`15:50.01`	`resiak`	!tell Tweak`TG-Owner -about amd64
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`15:50.29`	`greycat`	`yep. snd_* running all over the damned place.`
`15:50.32`	`Space_NL`	`man, i feel lame just having to ask this .. so i got X running, with enlightenment .. i cna login .. i can logoff .. but how can i get a clean shutdown ? :-)`
`15:50.38`	`m0p`	`I installed, rebooted, ran "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686", rebooted into it. Upon reboot,shortly after it detects my drives, I get an error something like "/etc/init.d/console not found!" then "Kernel panic! Tried to kill init!".`
`15:50.42`	`greycat`	`Space_NL: sudo shutdown -h now`
`15:50.45`	`Garp`	`humm... I'll do that`
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`15:51.23`	`Space_NL`	`greycat: in an xterm ? (i mean, isnt there some neat options somewhere ?)`
`15:51.45`	`PerfDave`	Tweak`TG-Owner: I think it's got 2.6.10, which is the most recent version in Debian.
`15:51.56`	`greycat`	`Space_NL: don't reboot.`
`15:52.01`	`greycat`	`Space_NL: that's the neatest option.`
`15:52.05`	`hellfire`	`m0p: which version was the first kernel you installed?`
`15:52.14`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: Check your hardware.`
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`15:52.40`	`m0p`	`Can't remember the name exactly, something like 2.4.5-speakup or similar (I will need to boot up my other rig and check)`
`15:52.46`	`Space_NL`	`greycat: trust me, once i have this machine fully installed it will replace my current server, and never shutdown anymore .. but for now .. its on my sleeping room :-)`
`15:52.57`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: Are you installing Debian?`
`15:53.09`	`Garp`	`resiak: Solution: ALT-F9 iconified the window, releasing the lock :)`
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`15:53.14`	`m0p`	`I HAVE installed it already.`
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`15:53.30`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: Are you sure it's Debian? Not Ubuntu or Knoppix or Mepis or something?`
`15:53.49`	`m0p`	`Nope, I am installing the Debian Sarge 20050201 snapshot.`
`15:53.59`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: shrug S'just that I never heard of a -speakup kernel`
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`15:54.25`	`m0p`	`From the same CD set I installed on my other boxes. PerfDave, it seems to install by default from my disks.`
`15:54.40`	`stief`	`valdyn_: with a resolution of 1024x768 the screen is beautiful`
`15:54.47`	`stief`	`valdyn_: :-) verything is verry clear now`
`15:55.32`	`greycat`	`Space_NL: then you can bloody well open a bleeding xterm.`
`15:56.12`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: You might want to try with the RC2 installer, rather than a snapshot. Or check the release notes or bugs for the current snapshots.`
`15:56.17`	`Space_NL`	`greycat: point taken .. u are right (still .. someone did all the trouble on making enlightenment .. didnt they ever shutdown the machine ?)`
`15:56.25`	`hellfire`	`m0p: i think its better to download the kernel-source and compile.`
`15:56.37`	`greycat`	`Space_NL: probably by typing "shutdown -h now" like everyone else in the whole fucking universe.`
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`15:56.50`	`asuffield`	`greycat: I always type 'halt' :P`
`15:56.52`	`simonrvn`	`*nix universe ;)`
`15:56.53`	`m0p`	`I have installed it from these CD's on many boxes fine, and I can't do a net install, I'm a dialup user :'(`
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`15:57.19`	`Space_NL`	`greycat: relax, relax .. i was just wondering .. lol .. but thnx`
`15:57.27`	`simonrvn`	`(tel)init 0 ;p`
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`15:57.53`	`PerfDave`	`m0p: I seriously think that you need to check your damn hardware alread.`
`15:57.57`	`greycat`	`m0p: you can. you just chose not to.`
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`15:58.40`	`scorphus`	`hi! I get no 'Debian' submenu on my xfce4 menu, do you know what package shouldn't I've missed? I got no answers from #xfce...`
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`15:58.49`	`pureone`	`hello all`
`15:58.54`	`hellfire`	`m0p: so there must be something special with the hardware of the box where you get a kernel panic. my thinkpad also gets a kernel panic with 2.6.9 kernel.`
`15:58.57`	`MstbZalle`	`greycat: do you want to pay m0p's phone bill? ;-D`
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`15:59.32`	`Space_NL`	`dailup .. does that even still exist ? ow wait .. isnt that a feature for when youre in a train orso ?`
`15:59.34`	`FieldySnuts`	`troll...`
`15:59.37`	`TinoW`	`.oO(heaven... 808)`
`15:59.38`	`simonrvn`	`local calls are free in n. amerikkka`
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`15:59.53`	`noob`	`i got a prob...`
`15:59.58`	`noob`	`can someone help me?`
`16:00.03`	`FieldySnuts`	`noob: what's up`
`16:00.10`	`hellfire`	`Space_NL: it does. 8-(`
`16:00.10`	`m0p`	`You expect me to net install on dialup? Man, that would take days! And I think my hardware is fine. I used to have Win2k (urgghh eww) running on the very same hardware (even the same HDD) working perfectly.`
`16:00.20`	`greycat`	`simonrvn: unless you're crazy enough to sign up with one of the "save money by only allowing X locals calls per month" plans`
`16:00.29`	`noob`	`i cant load my desktop...im a complete noob..what will i do?`
`16:00.41`	`simonrvn`	`when you really don't. ends up costing more...`
`16:00.49`	`simonrvn`	`!noob`
`16:00.50`	`dpkg`	`Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell.`
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`16:00.57`	`hellfire`	`noob: specify your problem.`
`16:00.59`	`FieldySnuts`	`hehe he has his own factoid`
`16:01.00`	`SirPsycho`	`ok.. tried asking in #cups but no answer.. perhaps someone knows.. is there any way to make cupsd stop logging the # of bytes transmitted via IPP in the access_log ?`
`16:01.04`	`greycat`	`wow, that's the fastest /ignore I've ever had to do. 3 lines, and he's already in the soundproof room.`
`16:01.25`	`simonrvn`	`FieldySnuts: grin`
`16:01.41`	`simonrvn`	`greycat: the soundproof room is very quiet`
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`16:02.05`	`FieldySnuts`	`i wish I could code, i'd love to give xchat irssi's -replies option to /ignore`
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`16:02.24`	`simonrvn`	`oh, it's a nice option`
`16:02.32`	`FieldySnuts`	`yeah that's slick`
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`16:02.40`	`m0p`	`Oh by the way, just booted into grub, the old kernel was "2.4.27-speakup". Ok, booting into 2.6.8 now. The errors are "[2342] init_ext3_fs(), err = 0", "pivot_root: No such file or directory", "/sbin/init: 431: cannot open dev/console: No such file" and "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!"`
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`16:02.55`	`Joghurt`	`fieldy, what does it do?`
`16:02.59`	`Joghurt`	`fieldy: what does it do?`
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`16:03.31`	`PerfDave`	`FieldySnuts: You could run irssi as a proxy, connect xchat to it, and /ignore -replies people in irssi...`
`16:03.35`	`simonrvn`	`ignores anything from /or/ to the /ignored nick/regexD[D[D[D[D`
`16:03.38`	`FieldySnuts`	`normally if you ignore person A, you don't see what person A does. but if person B says something TO person A, you still see that. and it's annoying. irssi's reply ignoring also ignores any replies`
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`16:03.43`	`simonrvn`	`woops`
`16:03.47`	`FieldySnuts`	`PerfDave: really..`
`16:03.50`	`simonrvn`	`sorry 'bout that`
`16:03.58`	`Joghurt`	`Ah, ok.`
`16:03.58`	`PerfDave`	`FieldySnuts: Might be a little more hassle, natch ;)`
`16:04.04`	`greycat`	`!listvals speakup`
`16:04.06`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'speakup' by value (2): zipspeak ;; speakup.`
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`16:04.11`	`greycat`	`!speakup`
`16:04.11`	`dpkg`	`a set of kernel modules for linux that enables blind people to work at the linux console directly. see http://linux-speakup.org for detales.`
`16:04.15`	`alele`	`how can i change my fs from reiserfs to ext2`
`16:04.24`	`greycat`	`alele: back it up, mkfs.ext2, restore it.`
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`16:04.42`	`simonrvn`	`ooh, i really want 'euromilliones' </sarcasm>`
`16:05.34`	`simonrvn`	`!speakup =~ s/detales/details/`
`16:05.34`	`dpkg`	`OK, simonrvn`
`16:05.43`	`m0p`	`Hmm, the 2.4 kernel worked fine in recovery mode just now.`
`16:05.58`	`alele`	`graycat only mkfs.ext /dev/hdx ?`
`16:05.58`	`m0p`	`Maybe my 2.6.8 kernel is borked?`
`16:06.04`	`FieldySnuts`	`dpkg / apt remind me of what a wiki would be on irc`
`16:06.15`	`simonrvn`	`hmm, yeh`
`16:06.20`	`FieldySnuts`	`alele: there's a critical step there before that. back up.`
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`16:06.39`	`FieldySnuts`	`it's not a conversion, it wipes out the contents of the old`
`16:07.41`	`greycat`	`of course, alele already KNEW that from reading the man page...`
`16:07.42`	`m0p`	`Oh, now theres some acpi error: "shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001"`
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`16:07.56`	`greycat`	`m0p: did you try booting with noacpi yet?`
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`16:08.21`	`m0p`	`greycat, now, adding noacpi to the end of the line in grub?`
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`16:08.32`	`m0p`	`how*`
`16:08.35`	`greycat`	`seems the obvious thing to try.`
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`16:09.06`	`m0p`	`Oh, I just unplugged my USB keyboard, kernel continues to boot.`
`16:09.19`	`greycat`	`blink`
`16:09.34`	`hellfire`	`m0p: the solution: work without the keyboard.`
`16:10.27`	`m0p`	`Hmm, but my USB devices never caused problems on other computers.`
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`16:11.05`	`takatumi`	`m0p: try disabling legacy USB support in the BIOS, if it's enabled.`
`16:11.25`	`m0p`	`Ok, I've logged in as root in recovery mode, time to remove that 2.6.8 kernel.`
`16:11.41`	`snail`	`m0p: move it, don't delete it`
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`16:12.01`	`m0p`	`To where? And what files?`
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`16:13.03`	`hellfire`	`snail: why not delete it?`
`16:13.25`	`simonrvn`	`!wb karsten`
`16:13.26`	`dpkg`	`O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! karsten has returned!`
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`16:14.37`	`m0p`	`so, what should I do? Delete it? Move it? And how should I?`
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`16:15.31`	`InitMass`	`is there any good RTS strategy game for linux? it doesn't matter if it's non free or if i have to use wine. most important is that it works and hopefully got network play`
`16:15.58`	`simonrvn`	`rts? game? wine?`
`16:16.05`	`marinos`	`InitMass: freeciv`
`16:16.08`	`marinos`	`?`
`16:16.09`	`hellfire`	`initmass: stratagus (free starcraft)`
`16:16.25`	`directhex`	`!rts`
`16:16.25`	`InitMass`	`marinos, is it 3d?`
`16:16.25`	`dpkg`	`hmm... rts is Regional Transit System. Real Time Strategy`
`16:16.39`	`simonrvn`	`ah`
`16:16.49`	`marinos`	`InitMass: you mean OpenGL and so ?`
`16:16.53`	`m0p`	`Hmm. Should I just remove "vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686", "config-2.6.8-2-686", "initrd.img-2.6.8-2-686" and "System.map-2.6.8-2-686" from /boot then remove the entries from grub?`
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`16:17.03`	`InitMass`	`marinos, i mean not 2d but 2d`
`16:17.07`	`InitMass`	`sorry d`
`16:17.09`	`InitMass`	`3d`
`16:17.14`	`marinos`	`ohh`
`16:17.17`	`InitMass`	`damn my keyboard`
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`16:17.43`	`takatumi`	`m0p: apt-get remove kernel-image-blah will do all that.`
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`16:17.45`	`InitMass`	`hellfire, i'll take a look at that stratagus`
`16:17.48`	`m0p`	`k`
`16:17.53`	`hellfire`	`initmass: its 2`
`16:17.55`	`hellfire`	`d`
`16:17.57`	`aidehua`	`Do any of the dpkg tools let me delete a dependency from a .deb?`
`16:18.25`	`bonez39`	`I ran apt-get update upgrade and dist-upgrade the other day...after which I lost my task bar...lost function of Alt-F2 to access a run dialogue....no Alt-F1 to access a system menu.......what did I do?`
`16:18.30`	`aidehua`	`I wrote a shell script to do it (ar, tar, perl -i -pe, tar, ar), but I now wonder if this was silly and there is already a tool to do it :)`
`16:18.43`	`marinos`	`InitMass: look at this webside http://happypenguin.org/`
`16:18.59`	`marinos`	`there is a channel for it on freenode #gametome`
`16:19.10`	`jason`	`do you guys know of a good tutorial or what packages I need to setup debian as a firewall/router? I have a quad nic in it`
`16:19.11`	`InitMass`	`hellfire, so stratagus is 2d?`
`16:19.17`	`m0p`	`ok, done. Anyone suggest a kernel that's most likely to work without that annoying kernel panic?`
`16:19.35`	`hellfire`	`initmass: yes. and look at what marinos said.`
`16:19.38`	`InitMass`	`i like rise of nations but it doesn't work with wine`
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`16:19.52`	`ricky_clarkson`	`I don't like rise of nations if it includes France.`
`16:20.27`	`InitMass`	`ricky_clarkson, hehe why?`
`16:20.51`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Because France just rises then surrenders, repeatedly.`
`16:20.58`	`ricky_clarkson`	`It's about due a surrender, isn't it?`
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`16:21.23`	`m0p`	`d'oh, the only 686 2.6 kernel I have on my disks is 2.6.8 ;<`
`16:21.35`	`greycat`	`ricky_clarkson: don't come near the US if you try that trick.`
`16:21.45`	`InitMass`	`ricky_clarkson, :)`
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`16:22.20`	`greycat`	`what's that stupid 2.6.x kernel equivalent of /etc/modules called? (And why isn't it in modules(5) or in /etc/modules itself?)`
`16:22.21`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: Yes, they'll give me a free holiday in Cuba.`
`16:22.22`	`melani_xula_7`	`ola q ases`
`16:22.32`	`m0p`	`Ok, anyone got any ideas on getting 2.6.8 working?`
`16:22.39`	`directhex`	`ricky_clarkson, charles-de-gaule airport cares much more about 'dangerous' items on planes than heathrow. no surrender.`
`16:22.40`	`greycat`	`m0p: noacpi didn't work?`
`16:22.41`	`hellfire`	`graycat: modconf.d`
`16:22.45`	`justin`	`greycat: /etc/modules works with any kernel`
`16:23.05`	`greycat`	`justin: hrm.. what does it do, translate the module names to their 2.6 counterparts, or just ignore failures?`
`16:23.06`	`takatumi`	`m0p: I think the syntax is acpi=noacpi`
`16:23.08`	`melani_xula_7`	`hola`
`16:23.10`	`m0p`	`the acpi error was on a 2.4 kernel and was caused by my usb keyboard for some reason ;/`
`16:23.22`	`hellfire`	`graycat: eh moprobe.d i think`
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`16:23.43`	`melani_xula_7`	`que reis ablar conmigo`
`16:23.44`	`takatumi`	`greycat: /etc/modules works here.`
`16:23.46`	`m0p`	`2.6.8 doesn't want to probe the ide bus for some reason. this happens just before the errors.`
`16:23.47`	`ricky_clarkson`	`directhex: I was frustrated on a ferry when they removed my butter knife on boarding but I could freely get a butter knife from the galley.`
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`16:24.09`	`melani_xula_7`	`me cago en buestro muerto cabrone`
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`16:24.11`	`justin`	`greycat: read /etc/init.d/modutils`
`16:24.11`	`ricky_clarkson`	`directhex: Right hand and left hand communication was a bit wonky.`
`16:24.16`	`directhex`	`greycat, /etc/modules is for all kernels, whatever the 2.6 one is it's only used by 2.6, so as not to confuse 2.4 kernels`
`16:24.34`	`directhex`	`ricky_clarkson, you make that sound unique.`
`16:24.49`	`simonrvn`	`directhex: /etc/modules-2.6 FYI`
`16:24.57`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!pebkac`
`16:24.57`	`dpkg`	`from memory, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC`
`16:25.15`	`m0p`	`hmm, so no one has any ideas why my ide drives aren't probed and I get those errors? :(`
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`16:25.16`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!pebkac is also PEBRHAL`
`16:25.16`	`dpkg`	`ricky_clarkson: okay`
`16:25.22`	`simonrvn`	`!picnic`
`16:25.22`	`dpkg`	`hmm... picnic is Problem In Chair Not In Computer`
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`16:25.28`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!pebrhal is <reply>Problem Exists Between Right Hand And Left`
`16:25.28`	`dpkg`	`ricky_clarkson: okay`
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`16:25.56`	`simonrvn`	`s/Hand/Ear/`
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`16:26.25`	`takatumi`	`Right Hand and Left Ear then.`
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`16:26.45`	`greycat`	`(EE) I810(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4.`
`16:26.50`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Problem Exists Between England and Spain`
`16:26.51`	`greycat`	`Is that worth worrying about?`
`16:27.02`	`greycat`	`ricky_clarkson: what, the atlantic ocean?`
`16:27.06`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: No.`
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`16:27.24`	`simonrvn`	`greycat: 4 SIGABRT`
`16:27.37`	`greycat`	`hold on. I need to steal my mouse...`
`16:27.59`	`stief`	`valdyn_: i'm back :-)`
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`16:28.53`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: It's only possible to get from England to Spain in a straight line without touching land in one very narrow channel, usually you hit land.`
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`16:29.03`	`greycat`	`ok... X wasn't totally hung. It just wouldn't do shit until I plugged in a USB mouse.`
`16:29.09`	`greycat`	`I couldn't even ctrl-alt-backspace to get out.`
`16:29.18`	`simonrvn`	`ick`
`16:29.21`	`asg`	`ugh`
`16:29.24`	`stief`	`valdyn_: running it in 1024x768 works good, when i put 2 resolutions in my XF86Config-4, "1024x768" "1280x768" then all of a suddon my 1024x768 display get's really width and i can scroll the display sideways because it's too big, when i increase resolution to 1280x768, the font's are almost unreadable again`
`16:29.33`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: Magic Sys Rq keys?`
`16:29.46`	`greycat`	`ricky_clarkson: plugged in a usb mouse, pulled down the menu, exited.`
`16:29.51`	`greycat`	`!two mice`
`16:29.51`	`dpkg`	`You have a laptop with a touchpad (PS/2) and an external USB mouse, and you want X to use either one, but despite the promises, it Just Doesn't Work? Make the PS/2 mouse the primary device, and add a new InputDevice section for the USB device with Option "SendCoreEvents" instead of Option "CorePointer". Be sure to use both input devices down in the ServerLayout ...`
`16:29.54`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Wunderbar.`
`16:29.56`	`m0p`	`ok, I'm installing kernel 2.6.8 again to see if it works this time.`
`16:30.00`	`xoz_`	`stief: change dpi setting`
`16:30.05`	`resiak`	`!devinputmice`
`16:30.05`	`dpkg`	`always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself.`
`16:30.05`	`greycat`	`argh! no mouse on my computer now, so I can't paste that...`
`16:30.13`	`Joghurt`	`stief: in that case, the X-Desktop has a virtual resolution of 1280x768`
`16:30.23`	`greycat`	`resiak: except that it doesn't take care of itself.`
`16:30.25`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: You'll have to work out how to use the numpad as a mouse.`
`16:30.27`	`resiak`	`greycat: :)`
`16:30.29`	`greycat`	`I have to manually fix it up.`
`16:30.38`	`resiak`	`greycat: I guess that's where the "should" comes in.`
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`16:31.23`	`takatumi`	`/dev/input/event1 that's my mouse.`
`16:31.29`	`jakjak`	`does debian bash not support 'spawn' and 'send' commands?`
`16:32.15`	`stief`	`xoz_: how?`
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`16:32.30`	`greycat`	`damn, I'm still missing something....`
`16:32.33`	`greycat`	`!2.6 mouse`
`16:32.33`	`dpkg`	`somebody said 2.6 mouse was http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3))`
`16:32.34`	`stief`	`Joghurt: ow okee, and is there away i can get around this?`
`16:32.39`	`valentinos`	`is there a way to make links to be handled by firefox and not epiphani under gnome (sarge)`
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`16:32.54`	`greycat`	`fuck. I can't get that into a web browser.`
`16:32.56`	`xoz_`	`stief: do you use startx? or kdm,gdm,xdm?`
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`16:33.01`	`stief`	`xoz_: gdm`
`16:33.04`	`takatumi`	`greycat: finally moving to 2.6?`
`16:33.21`	`greycat`	`takatumi: I left the damned thing on 2.6 because that's the second thing I tried, which also failed just like 2.4 did.`
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`16:33.27`	`greycat`	`takatumi: I didn't feel like changing it back afterward.`
`16:33.42`	`greycat`	`takatumi: my workaround was to rename the module that caused the kernel panic.`
`16:34.02`	`takatumi`	`greycat: which one was it?`
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`16:34.49`	`jakjak`	`thanks morons!`
`16:34.55`	`xoz_`	`stief: edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf .... look for dpi and set it to 100 or whatever suits you`
`16:35.17`	`BleSS`	`which is the path of battery device?`
`16:35.32`	`stief`	`xoz_: which desktopmanager do yo use?`
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`16:35.47`	`xoz_`	`stief: none... just startx`
`16:35.48`	`doub`	`hi there`
`16:36.15`	`m0p`	`damn, same errors! "ide0: I/O resource 0x170-0x177 not free" "ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe" for ide1 as well followed by the file not found errors and the kernel panic! grr!`
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`16:36.32`	`TCW`	`''��09876543221^^77777777777777777777777777765q`
`16:36.39`	`ricky_clarkson`	`TCW: That's what I was thinking.`
`16:36.44`	`xoz_`	`stief: in startx the commnd is, startx -- -dpi 100`
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`16:37.08`	`TCW`	`+�poiuzzzt`
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`16:37.22`	`kombi`	`why on earth does package mysql-server install exim as mta?`
`16:37.39`	`kombi`	`ca me gonfle`
`16:38.06`	`caphuso`	`kombi: because you didn't install a different one`
`16:38.10`	`stew`	`kombi: mysql-server requires an mta, if you don't have one exim is debians first choice`
`16:38.21`	`TCW`	`#+�poiujhgfds<a <-- just cleaning my kexboard... sorry .oO( OOPS G )`
`16:38.31`	`kombi`	`stew: but there is my hand rolled sendmail on there..`
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`16:38.38`	`stew`	`kombi: /msg dpkg equivs`
`16:38.38`	`asg`	`TCW: /j #keyboard-shit ; cleanaway`
`16:38.55`	`doub`	`i have a local firefox running here, and i'd like to launch another instance of firefox running from another host, to configure CUPS, which by default can only configured from localhost. unfortunately, when launching it over an X forward ssh, it only opens another window from the local one. any hints as to why this happens ? better yet, how can the remote firefox know about the local one ?`
`16:39.16`	`TCW`	`asg, I am already finished... but I will join there the next time :)`
`16:39.43`	`sep`	`doub: just ssh tunnel to port 631 on the remove host`
`16:39.56`	`greycat`	`gods damn it! WHY does "cat /dev/psaux" get gibberish when I wiggle the USB mouse, but nothing at all when I stroke the touchpad?`
`16:39.58`	`TinoW`	`doub: just use ssh -L631:localhost:631 user@otherhost and use http://localhost:631/ in your browser`
`16:40.04`	`greycat`	`and yes, that's with X not running.`
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`16:40.09`	`m0p`	`HMM, anyone know how to fix this 2.6.8 problem then? I guess it thinks that my SATA hdd is a SCSI disk (it says "Attached SCSI disk sda at scsi0"). 2.4 kernel's work fine.`
`16:40.23`	`greycat`	`!works in 2.4`
`16:40.23`	`dpkg`	`Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat.`
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`16:40.34`	`TinoW`	`greycat: try /dev/input/mice`
`16:40.41`	`doub`	`sep, TinoW: thanks for the hint`
`16:40.55`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: What, give yourself money?`
`16:40.55`	`raz0`	`I am getting a lot of noise with my realtek ac97 onboard soundcard using alsa. I tried muting the channels I don't use and also tried lowering PCM volume. The noise seems to be most intense when there is CPU load, eg. when moving windows or just the mouse, and when I am loading a program. What can be the cause of this, and what should I try?`
`16:41.17`	`greycat`	`TinoW: EXACTLY the same behavior. moving the USB mouse makes /dev/input/mice show stuff, but touchpad == nothing.`
`16:41.32`	`doub`	`but anyway, how come this f*** remote firefox opens a local window ? isn't X just supposed to manage window ? how could it know about the other firefox ?`
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`16:41.51`	`TinoW`	`greycat: hm. no driver loaded?`
`16:42.00`	`Xero`	`Anyone here use webmin?`
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`16:42.04`	`resiak`	`doub: less /usr/bin/firefox`
`16:42.14`	`Xero`	`Whenever I try to upgrade webmin (via way of webmin) it just shows a blank page...`
`16:42.15`	`takatumi`	`greycat: my touchpad doesn't cat gibberish either, but it works.`
`16:42.28`	`greycat`	`TinoW: which driver does it need in 2.6.8-1-386?`
`16:42.36`	`stief`	`xoz_: i'll that startx -- -dpi 100, i can't find dpi in gdm.conf`
`16:42.38`	`greycat`	`TinoW: I've never NEEDED a driver for /dev/psaux before.`
`16:42.54`	`greycat`	`and I didn't see anything in node/view/2199 about adding a driver`
`16:42.54`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: mdetect used to be the standard answer.`
`16:42.57`	`TinoW`	greycat: well, if you dont use hotplug, dig around in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/input/
`16:43.00`	`takatumi`	`try mdetect to see what devices are available`
`16:43.04`	`greycat`	`dear gods.`
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`16:43.17`	`greycat`	`discover and hotplug must DIE.`
`16:43.22`	`greycat`	`they're causing ignorance`
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`16:43.31`	`stief`	`xoz_: ow got it duh :-)`
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`16:43.40`	`debian`	`greycat: I thought hotplug saved the world....`
`16:43.45`	`resiak`	`greycat: mousedev ?`
`16:43.45`	`TinoW`	`greycat: hotplug rules.`
`16:43.54`	`TinoW`	`greycat: or get the developers to use meaningful module names and add description to every module`
`16:44.08`	`TinoW`	`so you can actually use modinfo for anything`
`16:44.11`	`greycat`	`OK. It's psmouse.`
`16:44.30`	`debian`	`TinoW: we don't need hotplug if they do so. :)`
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`16:44.36`	`xoz_`	`stief: you can add the command in gdm.conf: command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 100 -audit 0`
`16:44.40`	`TinoW`	`debian: ;)`
`16:44.58`	`BleSS`	`which is the path of battery device with apm?`
`16:45.07`	`greycat`	`dpkg, 2.6 mouse =~ s#http#modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http#`
`16:45.07`	`dpkg`	`OK, greycat`
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`16:45.09`	`resiak`	`greycat: So what does mousedev do and what does psmouse do?`
`16:45.24`	`greycat`	`resiak: mousedev makes /dev/input/mice work. psmouse makes PS/2 mice work (including touchpads).`
`16:45.27`	`greycat`	`Apparently.`
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`16:45.34`	`resiak`	`greycat: Aaaah.`
`16:45.49`	`Belping--`	`can anyone help me? i have a ftp server problem...`
`16:45.51`	`asuffield`	`except for those touchpads which are usb mice`
`16:45.59`	`resiak`	`greycat: And sure enough, I have psmouse in my /etc/modules commented as being for my touchpad. Sorry.`
`16:46.01`	`greycat`	`asuffield: I've never seen one. yet.`
`16:46.02`	`m0p\|pinged`	`ffs, I am REALLY getting sick of this error now. I have tried every SATA configuration that my motherboard allows and I still can't boot!`
`16:46.07`	`asuffield`	`greycat: I've seen one`
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`16:46.17`	`greycat`	`I'm sure I'll eventually see one.`
`16:46.19`	`resiak`	`asuffield: WHERE?!111`
`16:46.29`	`greycat`	`They bring me one of everything i386 to make into dual-boot linux/windows systems.`
`16:46.35`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!ircspeak asuffield: WHERE?`
`16:46.35`	`dpkg`	`rofl asuffield: WHERE jaja`
`16:46.35`	`BleSS`	`which is the path of battery device with apm to infp?`
`16:46.47`	`asuffield`	`resiak: some obscure UK manufacturer`
`16:46.53`	`resiak`	`asuffield: Who?`
`16:46.57`	`asuffield`	`hell if I remember`
`16:47.09`	`asuffield`	`it was somebody I'd never heard of before, and hopefully never will again. junk.`
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`16:47.26`	`resiak`	`asuffield: fair enough.`
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`16:47.52`	`bizkit`	`hi, can anyone suggest me a good howto/guide to speed up my website? (is use apache with php4 and mysql on debian stable) i have around 100 concurrent clients on the page which slows down every request to >3sec :/`
`16:48.05`	`caphuso`	`cherry has an USB touchpad on heit g80-11900`
`16:48.06`	`doub`	`resiak: just looked at /usr/bin/firefox. maybe i'm specially dumb, but that still does not explain how the remote firefox manages to communicate with the local one. they're separate processes, on different hosts, there's no firefox listening daemon or anything alike... it does through xsm ?`
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`16:48.07`	`asuffield`	`we've now got to the point where the ultra-low-budget, don't-buy-this-you-idiot manufacturers can afford to make laptops as well as desktops`
`16:48.11`	`caphuso`	`err, s/heit/their/`
`16:48.15`	`asuffield`	`and it's not pretty`
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`16:48.35`	`asuffield`	`there's even more room for creative stupidity with laptops than there was with desktops`
`16:48.36`	`Rapper`	`try doing emerge -C apt-get`
`16:48.45`	`mohohaha`	`where can i find good rc file for gnu screen`
`16:48.57`	`caphuso`	`mohohaha: /etc/screenrc`
`16:49.02`	`zahod`	`BleSS, /proc/apm`
`16:49.03`	`abrotman`	`bizkit: you should ask the channels that are involved .. #apache,#php,#mysql`
`16:49.04`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 824] by debhelper`
`16:49.47`	`greycat`	`... which still leaves one real mystery: why doesn't Ctrl-Alt-Backspace work to kill the X server on this laptop?`
`16:49.52`	`BleSS`	`zahod, the full path it would be /proc/apm/battery? to battery`
`16:49.56`	`greycat`	`there's no "Zap" in XF86Config-4`
`16:50.02`	`greycat`	`so it's not like I have DontZap set.`
`16:50.03`	`Rapper`	`has anyone here tried using emerge -C apt-get`
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`16:50.18`	`SlayerXP`	`!kill rapper`
`16:50.19`	`FieldySnuts`	`wrong channel (that's portage, in gentoo)`
`16:50.20`	`xoz_`	`greycat: window manager?`
`16:50.21`	`greycat`	`Rapper: this is not #gentoo. It's #debian.`
`16:50.29`	`zahod`	`BleSS, no`
`16:50.30`	`greycat`	`xoz_: that works fine. nothing weird there.`
`16:50.37`	`zahod`	`BleSS, try cat /proc/apm`
`16:50.42`	`Rapper`	`portage is so much better than apt-get`
`16:50.45`	`resiak`	`doub: Well, I don't entirely understand it either. I think it pokes around for a running instance of Firefox and talks at it. However, I guess it does this via X, which is why you saw what you saw.`
`16:50.47`	`greycat`	`xoz_: but when the touchpad didn't work, and ctrl-alt-backspace didn't work, I thought the machine was locked.`
`16:50.52`	`greycat`	`xoz_: but I could still ssh in.`
`16:50.52`	`FieldySnuts`	`oh stop trolling. as a gentoo user I really am irritated by that.`
`16:50.57`	`Rapper`	`EVERYONE GET PORTAGE!!!! ITS WORTH IT`
`16:51.01`	`*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ`
`16:51.03`	`*** part/#debian bonez39 (~aint@c-67-166-77-14.client.comcast.net)`
`16:51.06`	`FieldySnuts`	`silly sod.`
`16:51.08`	`BleSS`	`zahod, my system has acpi, i can not check it`
`16:51.13`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@69.182.34.231.adsl.snet.net] by greycat`
`16:51.17`	`*** kick/#debian [Rapper!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (fuck off)`
`16:51.21`	`mohohaha`	`caphuso: i mean the screenrc edited by other people`
`16:51.26`	`greycat`	`bastard making me type out that hostname without a mouse.`
`16:51.30`	`caphuso`	`greycat: try the HandleSpecialKeys option`
`16:51.31`	`*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat`
`16:51.31`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
`16:51.56`	`BleSS`	`zahod, i want know if it creates a file to battery. It's to detect a laptopn in a live-cd`
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`16:52.06`	`greycat`	`ok, next problem.... the resolution.`
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`16:52.27`	`asuffield`	`greycat: of the display or mouse? >:)`
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`16:52.29`	`zahod`	`BleSS, afaik, there's just the "file" /proc/apm`
`16:52.36`	`FieldySnuts`	`Rapper just flooded #gentoo . nice guy`
`16:52.37`	`hellfire`	`Bless: apm`
`16:52.37`	`zahod`	`nothing more`
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`16:52.54`	`m0p\|pinged`	`hmm, does ANYONE know what's causing this problem then? Sorry to keep going on, but I don't want to be stuck with a 2.4 kernel and I am getting annoyed with this stupid ide thing.`
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`16:53.23`	`BleSS`	`zahod, and what shows when it detect a battery?`
`16:54.29`	`xoz_`	`greycat: by the way, touchpad using synaptic driver is handy for scrolling and other stuffs.`
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`16:54.54`	`foxmask`	`yop`
`16:55.02`	`R1zeeK`	`just a quick question guys, whats the command similar to ipconfig /all under debain?`
`16:55.03`	`zahod`	`BleSS, something along the lines of 1.16ac 1.2 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x01 71% 142 min`
`16:55.07`	`allismach`	`o ftp.debian.org sarge/main saiu do ar ?`
`16:55.08`	`resiak`	`!debain`
`16:55.10`	`dpkg`	`Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh!`
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`16:55.25`	`hellfire`	`r1zeek: ifconfig`
`16:55.26`	`resiak`	`R1zeeK: man ifconfig`
`16:55.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`haha`
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`16:55.34`	`R1zeeK`	`:)`
`16:55.35`	`resiak`	`FieldySnuts: ?`
`16:55.50`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Someone mentioned a command today that looked like this: ip addr show`
`16:55.52`	`ricky_clarkson`	`What was that?`
`16:55.53`	`zahod`	`BleSS, probably easier to detect if there's no battery ;).. then it's along the lines of 1.16ac 1.2 0x03 0x01 0xff 0x10 -1% -1 ?`
`16:56.05`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Ooh, it exists. ;)`
`16:56.31`	`resiak`	`m0p\|pinged: You live in your box? No wonder it died.#`
`16:56.33`	`resiak`	`m0p\|pinged: :)`
`16:56.42`	`asuffield`	`ricky_clarkson: iproute2. it's just like ifconfig and route, only about seven times harder to work with`
`16:57.00`	`asuffield`	`however, a few obscure things can only be done with iproute2, unfortunately`
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`16:57.16`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Damn, why doesn't my old client timeout already!?`
`16:57.18`	`ricky_clarkson`	`I'll stick to ifconfig and route.`
`16:57.21`	`nysin`	`Where might I find information on when "python" in unstable might imply python2.4 rather than python2.3?`
`16:57.25`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Stupid server.`
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`16:57.33`	`resiak`	`!info python sid`
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`16:57.40`	`dpkg`	`python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 122 kB, Installed size: 452 kB`
`16:57.40`	`ludi`	`what is the name of a good news aggregator rss feed type program?`
`16:57.44`	`resiak`	`m0p\|pinged: Is your nick registered?`
`16:57.47`	`resiak`	`nysin: ^^`
`16:57.48`	`asuffield`	`m0p\|pinged: no reason why it should`
`16:57.49`	`R1zeeK`	`ifconfig doesn't seem to work :S`
`16:57.54`	`R1zeeK`	`it just says command not found`
`16:58.01`	`resiak`	`R1zeeK: As root.`
`16:58.02`	`nysin`	`... yes? That's not what I'm asking.`
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`16:58.04`	`simonrvn`	`i've gotten to like iproute.`
`16:58.04`	`caphuso`	`R1zeeK: /sbin/ifconfig`
`16:58.07`	`R1zeeK`	`ahh ok`
`16:58.08`	`R1zeeK`	`:)`
`16:58.22`	`R1zeeK`	`thanks guys`
`16:58.28`	`resiak`	`nysin: The BTS?`
`16:58.35`	`greycat`	`Why won't it let me use 1280x800 when it says the native panel size is 1280 x 800 and there're like 3 differnet modes that say 1280x800 in 'em?`
`16:58.40`	`nysin`	`BTS?`
`16:58.55`	`asg`	`greycat: did it find the correct memory size?`
`16:58.58`	`simonrvn`	`!bts`
`16:58.58`	`dpkg`	`somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install ...`
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`16:59.26`	`simonrvn`	`greycat: braindead POS? :)`
`16:59.28`	`ludi`	`what is the name of a good news aggregator rss feed type program?`
`16:59.35`	`greycat`	`asg: it says "no mode by this name" not "not enough memory"`
`16:59.40`	`bodq`	`how would I get the list of installed packages sorted by size?`
`16:59.45`	`asg`	`greycat: hmmm`
`16:59.45`	`resiak`	`nysin: You're running Sid and didn't know? Note the factoid's fourth line :)`
`16:59.57`	`FieldySnuts`	`accidental Sid running? heh`
`16:59.58`	`greycat`	`simonrvn: well, it is an i810.`
`17:00.01`	`xoz_`	`greycat: and try reducing color depth`
`17:00.02`	`nysin`	`I actually have used it`
`17:00.04`	`resiak`	`bodq: COLUMS=200 dpkg -l \| some ace sed or awk or perl`
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`17:00.10`	`simonrvn`	`heh`
`17:00.14`	`greycat`	`xoz_: it's already at depth 8. that's how our application runs.`
`17:00.15`	`nysin`	`Didn't recognize 'BTS' acronym`
`17:00.20`	`greycat`	`nysin: /topic`
`17:00.30`	`nysin`	`In any case, it doesn't resolve things`
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`17:00.34`	`nysin`	`http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=python&archive=no`
`17:00.35`	`bodq`	`resiak: like, how would I get size??`
`17:00.44`	`greycat`	`(II) I810(0): Size of device LFP (local flat panel) is 1280 x 800`
`17:00.48`	`greycat`	`*Mode: 7c (1280x800)`
`17:00.50`	`nysin`	`Doesn't mention anything related to what I'm asking.`
`17:00.52`	`simonrvn`	`bodq: usually fakey drugs`
`17:00.53`	`greycat`	`(II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name)`
`17:01.01`	`PerfDave`	`!drxx greycat bwahahahaha`
`17:01.02`	`bodq`	`simonrvn: lol :)`
`17:01.02`	`dpkg`	`greycat bwahahahaha: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root)`
`17:01.02`	`resiak`	`bodq: Ah, my bad, I thought that was in dpkg -l`
`17:01.16`	`resiak`	`PerfDave: Hehe`
`17:01.17`	`greycat`	`PerfDave: and that will help... how?`
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`17:01.27`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Damnit, I still can't get this kernel working! I've been trying for days to get this working. /me sobs`
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`17:02.56`	`greycat`	`Does the * in front of Mode mean "I'd use this, but I can't, but I won't tell you why"?`
`17:02.56`	`Frater_Sx`	`I have a question: I am trying to delete some files but the system let me delete them only via ROOT access, even if I modify the permissions to the current user. what it can be??`
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`17:03.23`	`asg`	`Frater_Sx: you have to have +w perms to the directory containing the file`
`17:03.24`	`m0p\|pinged`	`I guess it's a hardware issue then ;(`
`17:03.25`	`resiak`	`Frater_Sx: Because you need to have write permissions on the directory they're in to be able to delete them.`
`17:03.25`	`Joghurt`	`Frater_Sx: to delete, the user needs write permissions to the directory`
`17:03.30`	`nysin`	`Right not it depends on "python2.3 (>= 2.3.4-18)". I'd like to be able to find when it might start depending on some versino of python2.4.`
`17:03.37`	`nysin`	`s/not/now/`
`17:04.00`	`xoz_`	`greycat: can you try XFree86 -configure? it might be able to detect the mode`
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`17:04.48`	`Frater_Sx`	`ok solved it`
`17:04.49`	`Frater_Sx`	`thank you very much!!`
`17:05.33`	`Frater_Sx`	`thank you very much`
`17:05.36`	`Frater_Sx`	`=)`
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`17:05.46`	`resiak`	`!delete permissions is <reply> To delete a file, you need to have write permissions on the DIRECTORY that it's in.`
`17:05.46`	`dpkg`	`resiak: okay`
`17:06.09`	`greycat`	`xoz_: no improvement.`
`17:06.32`	`greycat`	`get-edid \| parse-edid doesn't help either.`
`17:07.16`	`greycat`	`resiak: ugh. must add Permissions to the FAQ some day.`
`17:07.24`	`resiak`	`greycat: The wiki?`
`17:07.29`	`greycat`	`but of cousre.`
`17:07.35`	`resiak`	`greycat: Want me to do it?`
`17:07.38`	`greycat`	`sure`
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`17:08.04`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Is there a general Debian wiki, or just a #debian one?`
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`17:08.10`	`greycat`	`!wiki`
`17:08.15`	`greycat`	`harumph.`
`17:08.21`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!you suck`
`17:08.22`	`dpkg`	`Dream on, ricky_clarkson. These lips will never touch your flesh.`
`17:08.24`	`resiak`	`greycat: I'll try to do it later.`
`17:08.41`	`hellfire`	`lol`
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`17:09.02`	`resiak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:09.04`	`resiak`	`Aww...`
`17:09.22`	`greycat`	`Oh great. No 7320 on http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/gateway.html`
`17:09.25`	`thomas_adam`	`You need peterS for that.`
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`17:09.49`	`nvz`	`lol`
`17:09.51`	`nvz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:09.53`	`nvz`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:09.57`	`asuffield`	`greycat: 1280x800 is a very odd size. maybe xfree86 doesn't have a modeline for it`
`17:10.32`	`hellfire`	`why do you put a "!" at the front of the line?`
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`17:10.32`	`thomas_adam`	`hellfire: So the bot knows about it.`
`17:10.32`	`ricky_clarkson`	`hellfire: Because the bot responds to that.`
`17:10.32`	`greycat`	`hellfire: because "dpkg: " is harder to type.`
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`17:10.38`	`amorphix`	`hi all`
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`17:10.42`	`ricky_clarkson`	`hellfire: Because we're Spanish people typing on US keyboards.`
`17:10.44`	`thomas_adam`	`Hmm.`
`17:10.49`	`hellfire`	`so thats like a msg dpkg .`
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`17:10.56`	`amorphix`	`is it possible to place a url into a cronjob?`
`17:10.59`	`asuffield`	`greycat: nope, no modelines for 1280x800. if that's really your resolution (the fuck?), you need to write a modeline`
`17:11.02`	`asuffield`	`greycat: enjoy the pain`
`17:11.03`	`xoz_`	`greycat: yeah... usually 1280x960 or 1280x1024`
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`17:11.04`	`amorphix`	`hi greycat`
`17:11.09`	`m0p\|pinged`	`no one can help me? fine, I give up. :(`
`17:11.12`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!wayttd amorphix`
`17:11.12`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, amorphix?`
`17:11.15`	`greycat`	`xoz_: I quoted XFree86's output a bit ago...`
`17:11.18`	`amorphix`	`hi thomas_adam`
`17:11.27`	`greycat`	`err, that was supposed to be asuffield`
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`17:11.30`	`greycat`	`close enough.`
`17:11.42`	`nvz`	`hellfire: its the bot's trigger. Dpkg's trigger is !, apt's trigger is ~, and ravenbird's trigger was @, though it doesnt seem to be here anymore`
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`17:11.56`	`greycat`	`if I find a 1280x800 modeline on google, is it safe to use it? :O`
`17:11.56`	`amorphix`	`ricky_clarkson: i have some code in a webpage which is activated when the page loads, i want the page loaded periodically`
`17:11.59`	`ricky_clarkson`	`G'day thomas_adam.`
`17:12.06`	`ricky_clarkson`	`amorphix: man wget`
`17:12.06`	`hellfire`	`!xorg`
`17:12.06`	`dpkg`	`i heard xorg is xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs.`
`17:12.08`	`Frater_Sx`	`bye`
`17:12.13`	`hellfire`	`aha!`
`17:12.13`	`asuffield`	`greycat: dunno. try it. if the device violently explodes, it wasn't safe`
`17:12.18`	`amorphix`	`ricky_clarkson: many thanks!`
`17:12.20`	`xoz_`	`greycat: lcds nowadays have good protection`
`17:12.26`	`hellfire`	`tanks.`
`17:12.28`	`azreal`	`so, will an u320 scsi drive work on a u160 controller?`
`17:12.35`	`hellfire`	`s/tanks/thanks/`
`17:12.36`	`asuffield`	`greycat: there should be a program around someplace that will compute modelines for you`
`17:12.40`	`azreal`	`obviously not at 320 of course`
`17:12.41`	`greycat`	`azreal: yes.`
`17:12.43`	`ricky_clarkson`	`hellfire: Tell the Americans that.`
`17:12.50`	`greycat`	`azreal: we have such a configuration here, in fact.`
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`17:13.00`	`azreal`	`greycat: thought so, just wanted to make sure`
`17:13.06`	`asuffield`	`greycat: videogen, I think that's it`
`17:13.26`	`hellfire`	`ricky_clarkson: lol`
`17:13.28`	`asuffield`	`greycat: you'll need to find or guess some hardware specs for it`
`17:13.28`	`greycat`	`asuffield: thanks.`
`17:13.31`	`azreal`	`greycat: one of my u160's failed last week, so i have to replace it`
`17:13.32`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Hmm, this is a bit of a hardware question, but, is it possible to get a SATA drive detected as a true IDE device on an Abit IC7-Max 3 and kernel 2.6.8? It seems to detect a SCSI drive just before it probes the IDE bus.`
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`17:15.00`	`hellfire`	`invasion`
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`17:15.07`	`amorphix`	`thanks guys`
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`17:15.26`	`amorphix`	`the invasion force has arrived`
`17:15.29`	`greycat`	`m0p\|pinged: why would you want it to show up as an ATA device when it's not?`
`17:15.47`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Cause 2.6.8 DOES NOT detect any ATA drives.`
`17:15.50`	`azreal`	`yeah, SATA doesnt have anything to do with the IDE bus`
`17:15.51`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: Yo.`
`17:15.52`	`greycat`	`and that's bad?`
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`17:16.03`	`daxxar`	`Hm. How can I get out load (in percent, like top shows) in script-usable form?`
`17:16.14`	`greycat`	`daxxar: vmstat 5 \| while read ....`
`17:16.33`	`m0p\|pinged`	`When it probes the IDE bus, it says that the resource is in use, and can't probe it, but it DOES detect a SCSI device, and I don't have any SCSI devices..`
`17:16.42`	`greycat`	`m0p\|pinged: yes you do. your disk.`
`17:16.46`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: Coming to the end of 2nd year or final?`
`17:16.51`	`m0p\|pinged`	`SATA != SCSI`
`17:17.12`	`resiak`	`greycat: How's your blood pressure?`
`17:17.16`	`xoz_`	`greycat: some_modes is a good wrapper for videogen`
`17:17.16`	`daxxar`	`greycat, how to get percentages out of that o_o?`
`17:17.29`	`greycat`	`if linus had his head on straight, ALL DISKS AND CD-ROMS would have been showing up as SCSI all along.`
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`17:17.32`	`greycat`	`But no.`
`17:17.36`	`ricky_clarkson`	`I think we're due a PLONK.`
`17:17.52`	`daxxar`	`And I only want it at one time, not for an extended period.`
`17:18.05`	`m0p\|pinged`	`What? It's not my problem that I'm an idiot AND my hardware is acting up :(`
`17:18.07`	`greycat`	`daxxar: have fun parsing top(1)'s output, then.`
`17:18.16`	`ricky_clarkson`	`My home machine's HD is reporting DMA timeouts occasionally. Should I panic?`
`17:18.36`	`D7`	`m0p\|pinged, it is your problem`
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`17:19.04`	`daxxar`	`greycat, :\|`
`17:19.07`	`m0p\|pinged`	`No, it's not. I have installed Sarge and kernel 2.6.8 on other machines with no problems, just never on a machine with SATA.`
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`17:19.42`	`nvz`	`speaking of top, I need to file a bug against htop, its screwy`
`17:19.43`	`azreal`	`m0p: there is nothing wrong with the way it is working.`
`17:19.55`	`greycat`	`how the hell are you supposed to find out the max H/V rates for a laptop's LCD panel?`
`17:20.08`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Then what IS wrong? I have tried every setup possible with my BIOS, to no avail.`
`17:20.11`	`resiak`	`greycat: Why should he have made everything SCSI?`
`17:20.13`	`nvz`	`greycat: manufacturer specs`
`17:20.14`	`asuffield`	`greycat: should be on the spec sheet`
`17:20.25`	`resiak`	`greycat: put "show up as" in there somewhere.`
`17:20.27`	`greycat`	`nvz, asuffield: and I would find that... where?`
`17:20.31`	`asuffield`	`greycat: back of the manual?`
`17:20.35`	`greycat`	`resiak: to make life easier`
`17:20.38`	`greycat`	`asuffield: hahahahaha.`
`17:20.43`	`nvz`	`heh :P`
`17:20.48`	`azreal`	`m0p: did you not say earlier that the installer detects the drive as a SCSI dev?`
`17:20.49`	`nvz`	`their website`
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`17:20.57`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: Can I have my laptop back please?`
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`17:21.05`	`greycat`	`I've got the laptop, the power brick, a bag, and a pen.`
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`17:21.11`	`asuffield`	`greycat: I dunno, gateway are the prat-wankers of the laptop industry. they're in the back of the sodding manual on thinkpads :P`
`17:21.14`	`m0p\|pinged`	`azreal, yes. But the 2.4 kernel detects it as IDE.`
`17:21.17`	`fmenard`	`what's the tool to do a disk troughput test`
`17:21.27`	`greycat`	`asuffield: if it were my laptop, I'd have the manual. It's not.`
`17:21.30`	`m0p\|pinged`	`But the problem is, the kernel WILL NOT probe the IDE bus.`
`17:21.33`	`asuffield`	`ah, that won't help`
`17:21.39`	`resiak`	`m0p\|pinged: You have no IDE drives, do you?`
`17:21.40`	`asuffield`	`I guess you get to go website-diving`
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`17:21.52`	`azreal`	`m0p: you have to use the 2.6 flag to the installer at boot time, and use 2.6, i forget the flag, check the help system.`
`17:21.53`	`m0p\|pinged`	`I have an IDE CD-RW.`
`17:22.10`	`greycat`	`m0p\|pinged: did you load the ide-cd module?`
`17:22.14`	`fmenard`	`there is a quick way to check the performance of a disk but I do not remember the command`
`17:22.14`	`resiak`	`m0p\|pinged: ...surely the system booting is your first concern?`
`17:22.14`	`asuffield`	`it'll be there someplace, although probably "locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'beware of the leopard'"`
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`17:22.37`	`m0p\|pinged`	`If I run the installer with 2.6, it automaticly installs the AMD K7-SMP kernel.`
`17:22.43`	`azreal`	`m0p: for christ sakes, there is no IDE bus, you have a SATA drive, which works through the SCSI layer.`
`17:23.07`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Ok.`
`17:23.16`	`asg`	`!beat asuffield with a 'slice of lemon wrapped around a large gold brick'`
`17:23.16`	`m0p\|pinged`	`But, how come 2.4 detects it as an IDE device?`
`17:23.20`	`greycat`	`what the HELL does this mean? "The non-free Nvidia drivers available from www.nvidia.com require small changes in calculating algorithm. Without them, many Modelines are not accepted by the driver." <Yes> <No>`
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`17:23.44`	`*** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts \| Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here \| /msg bots NOT people \| Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian \| Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i \| sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr \| X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg \| Java -> /msg dpkg java \| Spambots? /umode +E; and ask for an operator \|\| if you are using Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu`
`17:23.51`	`azreal`	`m0p: well, if you want it to work i suggest you use 2.6. forget about 2.4`
`17:24.01`	`BleSS`	`can somebody send me (by private message) the file /proc/apm? i need from laptop and dektop`
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`17:24.10`	`ricky_clarkson`	`asg: "It says that the effect of a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster is like having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick."`
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`17:24.15`	`greycat`	`well, some_modes didn't work. didn't even ask me for the resolution.`
`17:24.21`	`greycat`	`nor did it emit a 1280x800 line.`
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`17:24.29`	`ricky_clarkson`	`asg: http://flag.blackened.net/dinsdale/dna/book1.html - one of the more useful web pages in existence.`
`17:24.30`	`asg`	`ricky_clarkson: yes, I could use one too`
`17:24.33`	`greycat`	`and it left my tty in bold mode.`
`17:24.47`	`asg`	`ricky_clarkson: :)`
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`17:25.16`	`johaBBa`	`i know i can add new lib dirs to /etc/ld.so.conf (or /etc/ld.so.conf.d). how can i add new include dirs to the system?`
`17:25.29`	`azreal`	`there are like a billion seagulls outside my window, i wish i had an m80.`
`17:25.51`	`fmenard`	`hdparm`
`17:25.52`	`fmenard`	`thanks`
`17:25.57`	`asuffield`	`johaBBa: you don't, you feed them to gcc, just like for libraries`
`17:26.17`	`Joghurt`	`azreal: do they keep saying "Mine! Mine! Mine!"?`
`17:26.18`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Ok, can I please start again? This is getting stupid. An overview of my drives: My HDD (SATA disk) is set to detect as IDE-1 Master in the BIOS. My CD drive is physicly on IDE channel 2 as a master. Kernel 2.4 detects them as the BIOS does with the HDD as IDE 1 Master and CD as IDE 2 Master. Kernel 2.6 detects the HDD as sda and when it probes the IDE devices, it says it cannot access the resources and the kernel panics.`
`17:26.19`	`johaBBa`	`asuffield, for libs i add them to /etc/ld.so.conf. is there a similar file for include dirs?`
`17:26.45`	`asuffield`	`johaBBa: no, ld.so.conf is for run time libraries. not compiling stuff.`
`17:27.00`	`azreal`	`joghurt: if it were translated probably, yes. i think there all fighting over the same dead fish or something.`
`17:27.14`	`asuffield`	`johaBBa: all compiling options must be fed to the compiler when it's run`
`17:27.23`	`greycat`	`m0p\|pinged: so, use 2.4.`
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`17:27.34`	`resiak`	`!worked with 2.4`
`17:27.34`	`dpkg`	`Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat.`
`17:27.51`	`johaBBa`	`asuffield, intersting...i was missing some libs...added their path to /etc/ld.so.conf and ran ldconfig...re-ran make and it found the dirs...i'm looking for similar functionality for include dirs`
`17:27.57`	`Petaris`	`Can anyone tell me how to get japanese charactors to display correctly in debian?`
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`17:28.07`	`m0p\|pinged`	`That's the point, I don't want to work with 2.4, however stupid that may sound.`
`17:28.15`	`Petaris`	`Espeacially in firefox`
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`17:28.44`	`bifeo_work`	`help? Stopping automounter:dpkg: error processing autofs (--configure):`
`17:28.45`	`asuffield`	`Petaris: install lots more fonts. look for stuff named "xfonts-" or "tff-"`
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`17:29.00`	`obtix`	`how do i get a certain script in my home dir to run at start? (before X, since there will be no X on the system)`
`17:29.04`	`Petaris`	`asuffield: ok...`
`17:29.06`	`m0p\|pinged`	`So, is there any way of fixing this error?`
`17:29.24`	`Petaris`	`asuffield: so other then installing those fonts it should work right?`
`17:29.28`	`asuffield`	`Petaris: probably`
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`17:30.01`	`azreal`	`m0p: it should not be that hard to figure out, start from scratch, make sure you are actually useing the drive as a SATA drive, and not with some stupid converter to IDE, if in fact you are, kick yourslef in the ass. then, make sure the bios is set up right, then install the os passing the appropriate kernel falgs, etc...`
`17:30.17`	`johaBBa`	`hrm...so much for the 'debian way' i'll just symlink them to /usr/include and be done with it`
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`17:30.48`	`nvz`	`I wonder rolls his eyes why my bindings were W-Right, and W-Left, and they worked with the Alt key, now if I press Alt-Left on this keyboard it says M-Left and does the same fucking thing..`
`17:31.04`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Well, by default, SATA drives on my mobo are detected as IDE 3 and 4. I tried installing like that the first time and it thought that my CD drive was hda1. :P`
`17:31.22`	`FieldySnuts`	`crazy`
`17:31.31`	`resiak`	`m0p\|pinged: That'd be because it was.`
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`17:31.53`	`azreal`	`m0p: what your saying doesnt make any sense, did you look to see if the drive is connetced to the SATA controller, and not to IDE with a shithead converter?`
`17:31.59`	`greycat`	`the CD should be hda, not hda1.`
`17:32.04`	`asuffield`	`johaBBa: the search path for the compiler and linker is embedded in the linker script. it is not affected by ld.so.conf`
`17:32.06`	`nvz`	`I was trying to see if sawfish could use my Multimedia keys for bindings, but I guess not`
`17:32.28`	`resiak`	`nvz: hotplug!`
`17:32.37`	`nvz`	`resiak: umm, no.`
`17:32.38`	`resiak`	`nvz: I mean ...`
`17:32.40`	`azreal`	`m0p: pull out your mobo manual and read it.`
`17:32.41`	`resiak`	`nvz: hotkeys!`
`17:32.45`	`KasperTech`	`I was just wondering, is there a distrobution called Felix?`
`17:33.03`	`m0p\|pinged`	`I don't have it on a converter, the motherboard just routes it through the requested IDE port so the OS detects it as an IDE device. hmm, I have no IDE 1 device, it won't cause any problems right?`
`17:33.05`	`resiak`	`KasperTech: #felix ?`
`17:33.10`	`xoz_`	`greycat: what's your video card? nvidia?`
`17:33.37`	`KasperTech`	`resiak: empty`
`17:33.39`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Since, I want my CD drive on IDE 2 so it gets detected as hdc, and not an hda device.`
`17:33.54`	`resiak`	`!giyf KasperTech`
`17:34.05`	`nvz`	`resiak: I got xbindkeys. hotkeys doesnt have a graphical config, and requires me to edit ugly xml files. I used to use xev to catch the codes and write the xml files, but then I realized most all modern keyboards use some kind of 2bit code that xev cannot discover, and xbindkeys-config is just much easier does it all in one place and works with every keyboard`
`17:34.37`	`humbolt`	`md0 : active raid1 hdc2[1] hda2[2](F) --- the (F) does not look to good to me, how can I get more info on that from the system?`
`17:34.37`	`nvz`	`resiak: but still, thats not the same as sawfish bindings.`
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`17:34.54`	`spire`	`Why doesn't have any effect when I press "update" in the inbox monitor at the gnome panel?`
`17:34.55`	`resiak`	`nvz: I dunno. I'll check out xbindkeys at some point.`
`17:35.09`	`nvz`	`resiak: I wanted to make the forward and back buttons workspace switchers`
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`17:36.02`	`greycat`	`xoz_: i810`
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`17:36.10`	`idimmu`	`is there a nice small debian rescue iso that i can download`
`17:36.19`	`idimmu`	`ive got to fix an mbr and tweak lilo`
`17:36.21`	`greycat`	`idimmu: FSVO rescue.`
`17:36.25`	`idimmu`	`cheers`
`17:36.44`	`greycat`	`you can just boot the sarge netinstall ISO, alt-f2, mount the root file system (careful -- it's devfs), etc.`
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`17:36.58`	`FlopsyPete`	`phpmyadmin won't load, it says it can't load 'mysql extension' yet php4-mysql is installed. does anyone know how I might troubleshoot this?`
`17:37.01`	`greycat`	`devfs == lots and lots of tab pressing to find the fucking disk.`
`17:37.02`	`idimmu`	`oh right`
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`17:37.05`	`idimmu`	`thats easiler`
`17:37.06`	`idimmu`	`heh`
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`17:37.41`	`jethro`	`howdi`
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`17:39.01`	`jjazz`	`If I want to back up a drive, will cp -a do it?`
`17:39.22`	`pharm`	`jjazz: it'll do the job.`
`17:39.24`	`m0p\|pinged`	`ok, I'm reinstalling with SATA in native mode, if I install kernel 2.6.8 afterward, will I have that IDE problem again?`
`17:39.28`	`jjazz`	`pharm: Thanks.`
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`17:39.45`	`pharm`	`jjazz: tar will preserve usernames etc if you're moving the backup to a different machine`
`17:40.09`	`jjazz`	`pharm: cool`
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`17:41.22`	`scotth`	`hi, I'm having some issues with debconf and I was wondering if I could get some help`
`17:41.49`	`jethro`	`!smart questions`
`17:41.49`	`dpkg`	`Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts.`
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`17:43.03`	`scotth`	`speciffically, I'm trying to install ssmtp with FAI and I need it to install with the non-interactive frontend of debconf, the first time it installs fine, but I have an expect script to do the kernel, but ssmtp trys to reconfigure itself at that time and that causes my expect script to hang. Why would ssmtp install fine and then attempt to reconfigure itself?`
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`17:43.37`	`m0p\|pinged`	`ok, setup detects it as IDE5 ;/ wtf`
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`17:43.53`	`m0p\|pinged`	`(and it's device name is hde)`
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`17:44.07`	`plog`	`hi`
`17:44.24`	`plog`	`is there a gui to look for a string in a directory and replace this string with some other string ?`
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`17:44.48`	`jethro`	`plog: replace a string in file names?`
`17:44.50`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Has anyone tried the XFS filesystem? Is it any good?`
`17:45.06`	`plog`	`jethro, no. Into files of the directory`
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`17:45.13`	`SlayerXP`	`m0p\|pinged: yes, someone has, and they thought it was okay.`
`17:45.17`	`jor`	`m0p\|pinged: yes, fine`
`17:45.18`	`jethro`	`plog: just use sed in a for loop`
`17:45.33`	`greycat`	`OK... I bit the bullet, copied a ModeLine from a web site found via google, and it works.`
`17:45.33`	`m0p\|pinged`	`I am deciding on which FS to install on... XFS or Ext3?`
`17:45.36`	`plog`	`jethro, i know. I was talking about a gui`
`17:45.41`	`greycat`	`m0p\|pinged: if you have to ask, ext3.`
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`17:45.48`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Ok.`
`17:45.49`	`jethro`	`plog: I don't know of any gui then`
`17:45.53`	`plog`	`ok`
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`17:47.19`	`jethro`	`what's 7320 ?`
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`17:48.53`	`Novell`	`How do I fix udev on sarge ? It doesn't create device files as it should by default (tty and tty1 are regular files at boot, no /dev/stdin etc are there, my partitions for the other hdd's aren't there, and so on). It's all FUBAR by default it seems.. So I hacked away in /etc/init.d/udev to make it create atleast a few needed devices so it would boot fine and I could login without creating the devices with ssh..`
`17:49.09`	`thingfish`	`I think it's a laptop model, jethro.`
`17:49.20`	`jethro`	`thingfish: ok ty`
`17:49.28`	`thingfish`	`sure`
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`17:49.48`	`ricky_clarkson`	`It's funny how helpless greycat seems when he has his own problems, but how masterful he looks when solving other people's.`
`17:49.55`	`azreal`	`novell: udev isnt mature anough for everday use yet, get used to disappointments until it is more mature.`
`17:49.57`	`Novell`	`all devices are created just fine if I run udevstart _after_ the system is up and running`
`17:50.07`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Damn, now kernel 2.4 won't detect my drive!`
`17:50.08`	`Novell`	`azreal: works just fine on my gentoo systems`
`17:50.12`	`thingfish`	`I used to support gateway laptops and desktops, but that was a few years ago.`
`17:50.25`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Exactly the same 3 errors!! GRR!`
`17:50.25`	`Ronin`	`ricky_clarkson: its always seems to be easier when its someone elses problem`
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`17:50.41`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: Second year. I have a major project + dissertation to do for next year, be doing it on Fvwm. None of this Java bullshit...`
`17:50.52`	`asuffield`	`greycat: you should probably file a (wishlist) bug on xfree86, providing the modeline that worked`
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`17:50.59`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: Write a Java->FVWM interface. ;)`
`17:51.06`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: Pffft.`
`17:51.12`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: What will you do with fvwm for the project?`
`17:51.14`	`asuffield`	`greycat: only reason you don't normally have to do this is because there's a huge list of modelines embedded into the binary`
`17:51.35`	`sarath`	`i just installed xandros open circulation and need help using apt-get to install lynx`
`17:51.39`	`streuner___`	`ricky_clarkson: you can't solve your own problems easly, its always easier to solve problems know the answers...`
`17:51.45`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: Unsure yet -- probably apply "Software Engineering techniques" to it, a.k.a art-work and diagrams...`
`17:52.01`	`TBC\|weXx`	`question: who can i get to know what kind of "computer architekture" i got ?`
`17:52.02`	`thomas_adam`	`sarath: Xandros is not Debian.`
`17:52.06`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: That sounds boring, documenting it.`
`17:52.09`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: Refactor mercilessly instead.`
`17:52.14`	`thomas_adam`	`TBC\|weXx: uname -m`
`17:52.28`	`weXx`	`?`
`17:52.40`	`SlayerXP`	`sarath: /part #debian; /join #xandros`
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`17:52.45`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: I was looking at session management...`
`17:52.48`	`ricky_clarkson`	`weXx: It's a command, you run it.`
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`17:52.57`	`weXx`	`in windows?`
`17:53.03`	`thomas_adam`	`Windows?`
`17:53.11`	`thomas_adam`	`weXx: A terminal window, yes...`
`17:53.11`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!not supporting windows`
`17:53.12`	`dpkg`	`We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support windows too. Try #windows or donating money to charity.`
`17:53.18`	`streuner___`	`weXx: sure, what do you think we running all the time ;-)`
`17:53.22`	`BleSS`	`if are in a laptop, you could say me if cat /proc/cpuinfo shows mobile?`
`17:53.39`	`greycat`	`asuffield: ok.`
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`17:54.08`	`sarath`	`SlayerXp : in that case tell me why i cant install debian properly on my system`
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`17:54.13`	`weXx`	`... I got Win XP installed and want to get DEBIAN now... which should i take?`
`17:54.13`	`ricky_clarkson`	`weXx: Why did you choose #debian to ask your Windows question?`
`17:54.22`	`ricky_clarkson`	`weXx: Sarge ISO.`
`17:54.26`	`sarath`	`SlayerXp : it doesnt get into the graphical mode`
`17:54.29`	`streuner___`	`weXx: d-i (/msg dpkg d-i)`
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`17:55.06`	`weXx`	`ricky_clarkson: thnx`
`17:55.13`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Ahh, if I boot into linux26, it detects my drive as SCSI1 (0,0,0), I think I've hit the jackpot!`
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`17:55.26`	`FieldySnuts`	`m0p\|pinged: makes sense, more support for more hardware`
`17:55.29`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: Does fvwm do session management now?`
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`17:55.57`	`BleSS`	`if you are in a laptop, you could say me if cat /proc/cpuinfo shows mobile?`
`17:56.11`	`SlayerXP`	`sarath: can you be less specific?`
`17:56.14`	`mohohaha`	`any *top you can do that`
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`17:56.32`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: It has always had support for it, yes -- there;s two modules which do a bit: FvwmDesk and FvwmSaveDesk, but both Gnome-session, xsm, and kde's session manager are supported: http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html`
`17:56.36`	`zahod`	`BleSS, not on this laptop (celeron 750)`
`17:56.37`	`ghuelsken`	`Hello, today I installed my first debian. I've a qustion for the experts of You: Icouldn't find a routes.conf. How to configuer persistets routs in debian?`
`17:56.50`	`BleSS`	`zahod, thx`
`17:56.53`	`jethro`	`BleSS: what's this mobile you're talking about?`
`17:56.53`	`valdyn_`	`!faq ghuelsken`
`17:56.54`	`dpkg`	`ghuelsken: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/`
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`17:57.04`	`valdyn_`	`ghuelsken: ^^ and also man interface`
`17:57.14`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: But I was looking at trying to do soemthing more specific to FVWM, it's possible, at least, given certain properties about the WM.`
`17:57.22`	`sarath`	`SlayerXp : how can i choose to include the video modules for my agp which isnt listed by default`
`17:57.22`	`valdyn_`	`ghuelsken: ^^ and also man interfaces (ops)`
`17:57.23`	`mohohaha`	`lol ghuelsken`
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`17:57.34`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: I don't see why the session manager has to be tied to the WM.`
`17:57.39`	`m0p\|pinged`	`The reason I didn't want to install with linux26 before was cause on my other rigs, it tried to install an AMD K7 kernel ;/`
`17:57.45`	`BleSS`	`jethro, some laptops shows the word 'mobile'`
`17:57.53`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: That's the whole point, it doesn't. And neither is it in this case.`
`17:57.57`	`ghuelsken`	`couldn't find the keyword routes.conf`
`17:58.02`	`BleSS`	`i thinked that all laptops show it`
`17:58.05`	`jethro`	`BleSS: which ones?`
`17:58.14`	`SlayerXP`	`sarath: install debian then recompile your kernel to include the right modules`
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`17:58.45`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: Anyway, I have a meeting to attend now. It was nice to hear from you.`
`17:58.46`	`BleSS`	`model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) III Mobile CPU 1133MHz --- Toshiba Satellite A25`
`17:58.59`	`jethro`	`ok`
`17:59.01`	`m0p\|pinged`	`ffs, it installed a K7 kernel again! Grub shows "2.6.8-2-k7-smp" :<`
`17:59.17`	`nvz`	`resiak: its not working for me right now :P after I sit here and brag it up.. heh I just configured my 3 volume keys, and the commands all work, but nothing happens when I start xbindkeys and press em.`
`17:59.28`	`schuler`	`BleSS: in my notebook 'mobile' is also not shown`
`17:59.41`	`ricky_clarkson`	`thomas_adam: I'm teaching salsa 3 times a week atm. Code-wise I'm reading Thinking in Enterprise Java now, because I can't get a grip of server-side stuff properly.`
`18:00.10`	`thomas_adam`	`ricky_clarkson: this.attribute = attribute; That's all you need to remember. :P`
`18:00.13`	`sarath`	`SlayerXP: how do i change the packge source location for apt-get`
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`18:00.27`	`thomas_adam`	`sarath: apt-setup`
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`18:00.49`	`streuner___`	`thomas_adam: pretty away...`
`18:00.53`	`streuner___`	`:-)`
`18:01.06`	`SlayerXP`	`sarath: you don't. xandros is not debian. installing debian packages on something that's not debian is _stupid_. if you wanted debian then install debian and not xandros.`
`18:01.25`	`weXx`	`anyone german here who can help me? i'm not very good @ english..`
`18:01.28`	`ricky_clarkson`	`!de`
`18:01.28`	`dpkg`	`i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes...`
`18:01.58`	`ricky_clarkson`	`That's surely a national pastime.`
`18:02.04`	`SlayerXP`	`sarath: a good clue is that fact that "xandros" and "debian" hardly use any of the same letters.`
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`18:02.28`	`sarath`	`SlayerXp : i am gonna do that today .. can i install debian from iso images on my hda`
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`18:02.37`	`SlayerXP`	`good.`
`18:02.52`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Woohoo, SlayerXP's /cycle command works.`
`18:02.54`	`streuner___`	`sarath: /msg dpkg d-i`
`18:03.16`	`SlayerXP`	`ricky_clarkson: errm, yes, it has for quite some time :)`
`18:03.23`	`greycat`	`!blacklist`
`18:03.23`	`dpkg`	`blacklist is probably <directhex> to stop modules from being loaded at boot time, add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, or <greycat> and don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules`
`18:03.41`	`greycat`	`Are those instructions complete? hotplug (?) still loaded i810_audio, and I do NOT want it to do that.`
`18:03.51`	`greycat`	`discover correctly skipped it.`
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`18:05.42`	`greycat`	`Oh, of COUSE blacklist does not appear in the hotplug(8) man page.`
`18:05.44`	`greycat`	`Why would it?`
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`18:06.48`	`ricky_clarkson`	`greycat: And linux-hotplug.sf.net fails`
`18:08.23`	`m0p\|pinged`	`hmm, my CPU has HyperThreading, would the SMP make any performance difference?`
`18:08.29`	`m0p\|pinged`	`SMP kernel*`
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`18:09.04`	`greycat`	`m0p\|pinged: might.`
`18:09.11`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Ok.`
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`18:09.20`	`nvz`	`depends on how religous you are`
`18:09.28`	`ricky_clarkson`	`SMP: For added "maybe" factor.`
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`18:09.36`	`nvz`	`heh`
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`18:10.30`	`greycat`	`hmm, a ubuntu forum message says "(i had a similar issue with my toshiba laptop where adding it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist didnt help to prevent the loading....if this happens to you too, add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base ... that helped for me)"`
`18:10.46`	`cg0def`	`hi can someone help me with a tv tuner related problem`
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`18:11.04`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Hmm, does anyone know what packages the "Desktop Enviroment" packageset installs? I am installing from the expert installer so I can choose the kernel and the base-config doesn't have the desk enviro option, and I can't install it all by hand :(`
`18:11.11`	`cg0def`	`I have a usb tv tuner that I am trying to get to work`
`18:11.22`	`nvz`	`m0p\|pinged: in sarge, I believe it installs both gnome and kde`
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`18:11.36`	`cg0def`	`pretty sure it uses the conexant chip but not sure if the driver supports usb devices`
`18:11.43`	`nvz`	`m0p\|pinged: I highly recommend against use of tasksel for anyone who thinks they may know what they want`
`18:12.00`	`greycat`	`THAT didn't work.`
`18:12.15`	`nvz`	`even if you _do_ want gnome or kde you may not want _all_ of it`
`18:12.17`	`gnufan`	`m0p\|pinged: I always install my desktop by hand.... I mean how hard is it with apt...`
`18:12.23`	`paxmaster`	`hello there i am following vsftpd howto, now i have ftp running but the think is i can't see the files`
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`18:12.39`	`m0p\|pinged`	`I meant a package list, not the desktops it installs. I don't know what exact packages to install if I do it by hand, theres sooo many :(`
`18:12.47`	`paxmaster`	`i think i am following an outdate one`
`18:12.51`	`omry_`	`how can I mix a package from unstable with testing?`
`18:12.58`	`nvz`	`greycat: how did you end up doing work on all these laptops? They are obviously driving you mad`
`18:13.25`	`streuner`	`omry_: didn't try that, but /msg dpkg simple sid backport`
`18:13.31`	`gnufan`	`m0p\|pinged: Actually I installed <mutter something not debian> today by picking the default but it has just GNOME, as do the UserLinux metapackages, which I use if I want a "UserLinux" desktop rather than my own.`
`18:13.31`	`greycat`	`"shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4 \n shpchp: loaded succesfully \n piix: already loaded \n Intel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, ....... Oops, KERNEL PANIC, FLAMING DEATH"`
`18:13.39`	`greycat`	`Does that mean it's hotplug that's loading it?`
`18:13.42`	`greycat`	`If not, WHO IS?`
`18:14.07`	`streuner`	`omry: you want to /msg dpkg pinning as well`
`18:14.13`	`greycat`	`nvz: there is a new mandate that every doctor who's on call in neurology must be able to read EEG from home.`
`18:14.15`	`fflush`	`If I am more concerned with stability them performance should I run mod_perl as a module or embedded on apache?`
`18:14.23`	`greycat`	`nvz: that means Linux.`
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`18:14.49`	`nvz`	`greycat: ok?`
`18:14.58`	`nvz`	`sorry I asked, I am just more confused`
`18:15.00`	`valdyn_`	`greycat: discover?`
`18:15.07`	`greycat`	`nvz: I'll be ok as soon as I figure out why hotplug is ignoring my blacklist instructions.`
`18:15.09`	`omry_`	`streuner, thanks.`
`18:15.28`	`gnufan`	`fflush: the mod_perl documentation is pretty clear it doesn't add to the security of apache, although their biggest concern seems to be in shared server environments`
`18:15.30`	`greycat`	`valdyn_: no, discover skipped it, and told me it was skipping it.`
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`18:16.10`	`nvz`	`greycat: thats what you think. this linux laptop stuff is new to you.. you don't know what evils lurk ahead :P`
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`18:16.59`	`greycat`	`"Starting hotplug subsystem: \n pci \n agpgart.... \n ehci_hcd ... \n hub 4-0:1:0 ... \n hw_random: RNG not detected \n ... cpci_hotplug ... \n pci_hotplug ... \n pciehp ... \n shpchp ... \n Intel 810 + AC97 Audio -> FLAMING DEATH"`
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`18:17.21`	`greycat`	`nvz: this is by far the most evil laptop I've done so far this year.`
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`18:17.31`	`dotsony`	`i've used a recent debian-powerpc testng netinstall cd to install a base system onto the an ide drive in a blue and white g3. The installed kernel hangs after loading usb_ohci, and I can't finish the installation. What should I do?`
`18:17.53`	`dotsony`	`is there a #debian-ppc?`
`18:18.02`	`m0p\|pinged`	`Oh crap, here comes the lengthy process that is scanning the disks for index files :x`
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`18:18.06`	`streuner`	`greycat: and no infos at linux-laptop.net about?`
`18:18.07`	`greycat`	`dotsony: #debianppc`
`18:18.20`	`greycat`	`streuner: nope.`
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`18:18.42`	`paxmaster`	`could some one help me out with a small issue`
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`18:18.58`	`nagual`	`is that a rethorical question paxmaster ?`
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`18:19.16`	`sarath`	`SlayerXP: is there any other distro which i can use close to debian?`
`18:19.20`	`elephantman`	`Hi all`
`18:19.23`	`greycat`	`sarath: no.`
`18:19.29`	`streuner`	`greycat: why do you always install debian at laptops where aren't in linux-laptop.net? ;-)`
`18:19.30`	`jharrisonwk`	`sarath: of course not`
`18:19.37`	`greycat`	`use Debian or the easter bunny will give you rotten eggs.`
`18:19.41`	`elephantman`	`Can i make a boot floppy if my kernel is bigger than floppy size ?`
`18:19.46`	`greycat`	`streuner: not always.`
`18:19.57`	`greycat`	`streuner: if there are no problems, you guys don't hear me.`
`18:20.04`	`knite`	`email from my machine doesn't get accepted at many major ISPs, is there some registry on the net where I can say, my machine is legit?`
`18:20.05`	`valdyn_`	`elephantman: sure`
`18:20.11`	`jharrisonwk`	`is the ibm t23 on the laptop list?`
`18:20.11`	`sarath`	`ok ok`
`18:20.24`	`elephantman`	`jharrisonwk: i installed debian on T22`
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`18:20.35`	`streuner`	`jharrisonwk: i think yes - /msg dpkg laptop`
`18:20.37`	`elephantman`	`jharrisonwk: thats what i use right now`
`18:20.46`	`sarath`	`how about ubuntu`
`18:20.47`	`paxmaster`	`some how the vsftp is looking at the worng directory`
`18:20.48`	`jharrisonwk`	`I just installed debian on a t23`
`18:20.48`	`valdyn_`	`thinkpads appear to be easiest? though sure not w/o problems`
`18:20.54`	`jharrisonwk`	`it works perfectly`
`18:20.58`	`streuner`	`sarath: /topic`
`18:21.01`	`SexyKen`	`Hey -- I got an AMD 64 3000+ ... will this run Debian with a GUI well?`
`18:21.05`	`paxmaster`	`for users to download`
`18:21.17`	`valdyn_`	`SexyKen: for sure`
`18:21.19`	`greycat`	`SexyKen: god, I'd hope so`
`18:21.25`	`streuner`	`SexyKen: ask in #debian-amd ;-)`
`18:21.33`	`streuner`	`!amd64`
`18:21.34`	`dpkg`	`i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1)`
`18:21.39`	`elephantman`	`jharrisonwk: i am running it for 3 year, 24/7 as a webserver - ITS a tank !`
`18:21.41`	`jharrisonwk`	`SexyKen: is that with a nvidia chipset?`
`18:21.49`	`valdyn_`	`SexyKen: you probably dont want to run debian-amd64`
`18:22.01`	`jharrisonwk`	`valdyn_: why not`
`18:22.02`	`SexyKen`	`jharrison; ATI Graphics`
`18:22.11`	`elephantman`	`valdyn_: but mkrescue say my floppy has enough room`
`18:22.19`	`valdyn_`	`jharrisonwk: because its sid + its own share of problems`
`18:22.29`	`jharrisonwk`	`valdyn_: what is the point of having amd64 if you dont run the amd64 debian port`
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`18:22.38`	`SexyKen`	`�valdyn_� I wouldn't run anything but sid debian.`
`18:22.40`	`jharrisonwk`	`valdyn_: its suppose to be quite stable`
`18:22.43`	`valdyn_`	`whats the point of having sid and not running it?`
`18:22.49`	`valdyn_`	`both are for development mainly`
`18:22.54`	`SexyKen`	`Hrm.`
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`18:23.42`	`valdyn_`	`jharrisonwk: yea as is sid, till it fucks you, im not going to recommend it to a newbie`
`18:23.52`	`valdyn_`	`!sid`
`18:23.53`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in.`
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`18:24.26`	`SexyKen`	`valdyn - I've been using linux for 7 years. Just not with a GUI. On a server basis.`
`18:24.54`	`jharrisonwk`	`valdyn_: my gosh man I would never let sid fuck me`
`18:24.56`	`streuner`	`SexyKen: so its not a problem at all, only to configure X`
`18:25.08`	`SexyKen`	`I just think it sucks that I have a 64bit CPU and I'm using Windows XP which is a 32bit OS`
`18:25.10`	`valdyn_`	`SexyKen: Sid is the unstable release of debian, debian-amd64 is not yet officially in debian - if you are fine with both, run it`
`18:25.23`	`SexyKen`	`Yes, I know SID is the unstable release od Debian.`
`18:25.25`	`resiak`	`SexyKen: So why are you running XP?`
`18:25.34`	`greycat`	`it's sid, not SID.`
`18:25.52`	`jharrisonwk`	`greycat: damn straight`
`18:25.56`	`SexyKen`	`I just keep feeling like sid is an abrev. so I capitalize it,even though I know better.`
`18:26.23`	`jharrisonwk`	`quad opterons suck`
`18:26.27`	`thingfish`	`wow nice`
`18:26.45`	`PerfDave`	`32 bit userspace, but I'm running 64 bit statically-compiled binaries on, so it doesn't matter.`
`18:26.57`	`jharrisonwk`	`still sucks`
`18:27.00`	`jharrisonwk`	`PerfDave: you suck`
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`18:27.14`	`jharrisonwk`	`PerfDave: and your quad opterons suck too`
`18:27.18`	`PerfDave`	`jharrisonwk: Yes, I do. And I'm going to hell for being a shameless sodomite :)`
`18:27.23`	`thingfish`	`hehe`
`18:27.26`	`jharrisonwk`	`PerfDave: well!`
`18:27.48`	`jharrisonwk`	`PerfDave: how much did that quad opteron cost you?`
`18:27.56`	`PerfDave`	`jharrisonwk: It didn't cost me anythign.`
`18:28.01`	`jharrisonwk`	`I see sun has some opteron servers for 20 grand`
`18:28.10`	`jharrisonwk`	`surely the same sort of thing can be built for less`
`18:29.23`	`PerfDave`	`jharrisonwk: This is a work machine, we got it from a reputable, AMD-approved supplier, so if it goes wrong we don't have to deal with it.`
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`18:29.59`	`jharrisonwk`	`PerfDave: but still im sure it did not cost you 20 grand`
`18:30.16`	`PerfDave`	`jharrisonwk: No, it cost us nine grand.`
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`18:30.50`	`thingfish`	`well, at that price, you can't afford NOT to buy one.`
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`18:31.05`	`dotsony`	`so what do you do when the kernel installed by the installer doesn't boot?`
`18:31.08`	`UglyP`	`Is anyone available to help a newbie? Or is there a specific channel for that?`
`18:31.18`	`dotsony`	`because some module crashes?`
`18:31.23`	`ricky_clarkson`	`UglyP: Ask a question.`
`18:31.26`	`njan`	`UglyP, ask your question; if someone can answer, they will :)`
`18:31.27`	`dotsony`	`i've heard usb support can cause problems`
`18:31.29`	`knite`	`uglyp: there are wikis and docs that you can check out as well`
`18:31.40`	`PerfDave`	`dotsony: You can boot the installer with certain options not to load some modules...`
`18:31.44`	`humbolt`	`my raid still reports a problem eventhough the disk itself does not any more after reboot: blocks [2/1] [_U]`
`18:31.48`	`PerfDave`	`dotsony: The installer will probably have multiple kernels as well.`
`18:31.55`	`dotsony`	`the intaller boots fine`
`18:31.58`	`humbolt`	`how can I get the disk back in the array?`
`18:32.02`	`dotsony`	`it doesn't install the same kernel`
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`18:32.20`	`PerfDave`	`thingfish: We'll certainly recoup the expenditure fairly quickly in the time it'll save us doing our statistical analyses on single-processor Intel desktops.`
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`18:32.51`	`thingfish`	`PerfDave: oh no doubt.`
`18:32.52`	`greycat`	`!listkeys shpchp`
`18:32.54`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'shpchp' by key returned no results.`
`18:33.02`	`PerfDave`	`dotsony: Which version of Debian?`
`18:33.07`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: testing`
`18:33.10`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: ppc`
`18:33.10`	`Rexz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:33.20`	`resiak`	`Rexz: #perl`
`18:33.20`	`PerfDave`	`dotsony: You can pass parameters to the installed kernel using grub, no?`
`18:33.26`	`Rexz`	`Thanks resiak`
`18:33.27`	`UglyP`	`thanks guys! Well I have a couple of questions. One is about my video card, I have installed the driver device as its Radeon, and after some trouble with X, Ive got it to boot into gnome. However my output (screen) looks quite grainy, and has a slow refresh rate? Also My 3 button mouse emulation isnt doing to well hehe. Sorry if these are dumb questions, but ive only just given Linux and Debian a go after reading good things about both!!`
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`18:33.35`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: yes`
`18:33.39`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: but not grub, yaboot`
`18:33.41`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: same difference`
`18:33.41`	`resiak`	`!drxx UglyP`
`18:33.42`	`dpkg`	`UglyP: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root)`
`18:33.46`	`resiak`	`!tell UglyP -about ati`
`18:33.49`	`resiak`	`!tell UglyP -about ati drivers`
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`18:34.18`	`Xero`	`Hey`
`18:34.30`	`Xero`	`apt-get install (Something that makes Debian look fruity with colors all over)`
`18:34.33`	`Xero`	`What is it called? :D`
`18:34.36`	`Xero`	`I want colors.`
`18:34.38`	`D7`	`hmm, coming up with a hostname for the computer, now thats a hard task`
`18:34.41`	`PerfDave`	`dotsony: So try passing options to the kernel? "nousb" if you're having usb issues.`
`18:34.44`	`hacim`	`where is it set on a debian system to use /etc/shadow?`
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`18:34.58`	`PerfDave`	`Xero: Colours where?`
`18:35.07`	`Xero`	`In console`
`18:35.10`	`Xero`	`I don't use GUI`
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`18:35.18`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave:`
`18:35.19`	`dotsony`	`er`
`18:35.20`	`Xero`	`I want like, ls -l = list, and colors on it`
`18:35.23`	`PerfDave`	`Xero: It should have colours in the console by default. Check your .bash_profile and .bashrc`
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`18:35.30`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: ok. nousb=1? or just nousb?`
`18:35.36`	`PerfDave`	`dotsony: Just "nousb", I think`
`18:35.43`	`PerfDave`	`D7: I name my home systems after curries`
`18:35.44`	`Xero`	`PerfDave : It doesn't, everything is always white`
`18:35.45`	`Porfiado`	`Hola`
`18:35.46`	`Xero`	`It is very racist.`
`18:35.51`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: where would something like that be documented?`
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`18:35.55`	`PerfDave`	`Xero: So check your .bash_profile and .bashrc`
`18:35.58`	`Porfiado`	`Espa�ol`
`18:36.05`	`resiak`	`!es`
`18:36.05`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`18:36.08`	`PerfDave`	`dotsony: Dunno. Google for "kernel boot parameters" or somethin?`
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`18:36.29`	`Fleck`	`Xero export LS_COLORS="no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=40;31;01:ex=01;32:.tar=01;31:.tgz=01;31:.arj=01;31:.taz=01;31:.lzh=01;31:.zip=01;31:.z=01;31:.Z=01;31:.gz=01;31:.bz2=01;31:.deb=01;31:.rpm=01;31:.jar=01;31:.jpg=01;35:.jpeg=01;35:.gif=01;35:.bmp=01;35:.pbm=01;35:.pgm=01;35:.ppm=01;35:.tga=01;35:.xbm=01;35:.xpm=01;35:.tif=01;35:.tiff=01;35:.png=01;35:*.mov=`
`18:36.29`	`Fleck`	`01;35:.mpg=01;35:.mpeg=01;35:.avi=01;35:.fli=01;35:.gl=01;35:.dl=01;35:.xcf=01;35:.xwd=01;35:.ogg=01;35:.mp3=01;35:*.wav=01;35:"`
`18:36.34`	`resiak`	`!tell Xero -about lscolours`
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`18:36.41`	`m0p\|pinged`	`ahhhh, I've finally scanned those stupid cd's! Damn I wish got the DVD set instead, much less disk changing!`
`18:36.42`	`Fleck`	`export LS_OPTIONS="--color=auto"`
`18:36.44`	`resiak`	`!tell Xero -about ls colours`
`18:36.54`	`resiak`	`o.O`
`18:37.01`	`resiak`	`Fleck: Did you really have to do that?`
`18:37.04`	`D7`	`PerfDave, after curries?`
`18:37.15`	`philips`	`How do I migrate from lilo to grub? Installing a new kernel doesn't seem to be updating the grub conf after I removed lilo and installed grub.`
`18:37.29`	`PerfDave`	`D7: My desktop is tandoor, my other machines include dhansak and rogan`
`18:37.45`	`PerfDave`	`philips: You'll have to tweak /etc/kernel-image.conf IIRC`
`18:37.50`	`Xero`	`Erm`
`18:37.52`	`johnsu01_`	`I'm trying to get the IrDA working on this X40 with 2.6.10. I've followed a number of instruction sets, but none have worked so far. dmesg shows ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq =3 ) is a NS16550A, which is the chip.`
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`18:37.55`	`PerfDave`	`philips: /etc/kernel-img.conf even`
`18:37.57`	`Xero`	`No, I don't really want to ls --colours and stuff`
`18:38.02`	`Xero`	`I want all that stuff to be embedded`
`18:38.03`	`D7`	`PerfDave, heh, cool, I used to use names of planets from starwars, but I think I've outgrown that..`
`18:38.04`	`johnsu01_`	`But, modprobe nsc_ircc (which is the driver) gives No such device.`
`18:38.10`	`Xero`	`Like on RH. Except for Debian.`
`18:38.12`	`PerfDave`	`Xero: CHECK YOUR BASH DOTFILES`
`18:38.24`	`Xero`	`What am I looking for in there?`
`18:38.26`	`philips`	`PerfDave: I don't have one of those files (unstable)`
`18:38.38`	`PerfDave`	`philips: You're running unstable? Oh well, you're on your own then.`
`18:38.44`	`johnsu01_`	`I've tried modprobe nsc_ircc io=0x2f8 irq=3 dma=3 dongle_id=0x09, same result.`
`18:38.51`	`philips`	`PerfDave: ok thanks.`
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`18:38.58`	`resiak`	`philips: How did you install Debian?`
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`18:39.15`	`johnsu01_`	`It is enabled in bios, and I have run setserial /dev/ttyS1 uart none before trying the modprobe. findchip from irda-utils also does not find the chip.`
`18:39.19`	`philips`	`resiak: I don't remember, this box is about 1.5 years old`
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`18:39.27`	`resiak`	`philips: Okayy, never mind.`
`18:39.55`	`PerfDave`	`Xero: Stuff relating to colours.`
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`18:41.04`	`resiak`	`!tell Xero -about ls colour`
`18:41.37`	`ricky_clarkson`	`Xero: alias ls=ls --colour`
`18:41.39`	`ricky_clarkson`	`or something`
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`18:42.27`	`flexy`	`how can I ask from apt that in what package is some file?`
`18:42.34`	`thingfish`	`alias ls='ls --color=yes'`
`18:42.46`	`TheGoodDocta`	`thingfish: apt-cache search file`
`18:42.54`	`thingfish`	`?`
`18:42.58`	`TheGoodDocta`	`err ops`
`18:43.02`	`TheGoodDocta`	`that was to flexy`
`18:43.07`	`thingfish`	`heh`
`18:43.16`	`TheGoodDocta`	`flexy: apt-cache search file`
`18:43.18`	`TheGoodDocta`	`haha sorry about that`
`18:43.23`	`thingfish`	`np`
`18:43.26`	`resiak`	`thingfish: You want auto, not yes, just because you don't want colours if you do ls \| less`
`18:43.31`	`ricky_clarkson`	`apt-file search <filename>`
`18:43.41`	`thingfish`	`ah ok resiak.`
`18:44.00`	`flexy`	`TheGoodDocta: I'll try that`
`18:44.32`	`TheGoodDocta`	`flexy: you can always then pipe the results to grep to narrow the search; works for me`
`18:44.46`	`dotsony`	`PerfDave: thanks, i'll try that when I get home`
`18:44.46`	`flexy`	`ricky_clarkson: umh, could you be more precise? on command line?`
`18:45.19`	`flexy`	`TheGoodDocta: no results`
`18:45.20`	`resiak`	`!tell flexy -about apt-file`
`18:45.37`	`ricky_clarkson`	`flexy: Obviously.`
`18:45.56`	`ricky_clarkson`	`flexy: I can't be more precise, but I can be more verbose if that helps.`
`18:46.27`	`flexy`	`resiak: it's the other way around, I don't have a file, trying to figure out in which it is... I have used dpkg -S /path/to/some/file to find out in which package the file I have is in`
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`18:46.35`	`ITAY`	`Hi!`
`18:46.41`	`flexy`	`ricky_clarkson: yeah, please do that :)`
`18:47.22`	`ITAY`	`Debian automatically set the lilo/grub to be with windows?`
`18:47.30`	`flexy`	`I'm looking at one virtual hosts/users mail howto, it advices to configure smtpd.conf, but my system does not have it... (postfix, courier-imap)`
`18:47.32`	`ricky_clarkson`	`flexy: Open a console, then run apt-file search XXX`
`18:47.42`	`ricky_clarkson`	`flexy: where XXX is whatever file you're looking for.`
`18:48.03`	`hojax`	`i am trying to install the acx100 wifi drivers on my laptop.... i can not find the source package for my kernel ... 2.6.8-1-386 .. does one exist ? i cant find one with that exact name..`
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`18:48.50`	`WoodsDog`	`what program out there can monitor system stats (network usage, hard drive usage, mem usage, etc..) and then graph them for me in mrtg or rrd? Is there any all in one package?`
`18:48.55`	`ITAY`	`Debian automatically set the lilo/grub to be with windows?`
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`18:49.08`	`drac`	`hojax: there is no kernel-source-2.6.1-386 package, you want kernel-source-2.6.8`
`18:49.12`	`valdyn_`	`hojax: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) should be enough to compile it`
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`18:49.56`	`m0p`	`hmm, for a usb mouse, what is the mouse port?`
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`18:50.09`	`WoodsDog`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:50.13`	`m0p`	`ok`
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`18:50.24`	`m0p`	`I thought it was /dev/psaux?`
`18:50.39`	`WoodsDog`	`psaux = ps mouse port`
`18:50.41`	`WoodsDog`	`you said usb`
`18:50.57`	`flexy`	`ricky_clarkson: ok thanks, I installed apt-file, but it shows me no results. again, I'm searching for smtpd.conf file, or packages which might include that file`
`18:51.12`	`cahoot`	`m0p: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2199?PHPSESSID=1a274c88b09b1b673f05f2bb8f745b57`
`18:51.16`	`ricky_clarkson`	`flexy: exim4, exim, sendmail, at a guess.`
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`18:51.43`	`user___`	`anyone here uses bitchx?`
`18:51.52`	`m0p`	`nope. irssi forever!`
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`18:52.05`	`Fleck`	`user___ why ?`
`18:52.10`	`warawetg`	`Hey`
`18:52.14`	`ITAY`	`hi!`
`18:52.27`	`warawetg`	`Nogen fra Danmark?`
`18:52.29`	`user___`	`Fleck cuz i cant see somethings on bitchx`
`18:52.37`	`flexy`	`ricky_clarkson: but not postfix-snap, in stable, it seems?`
`18:52.41`	`pharm`	`is there a suitable small mailer for standalone machine in Debian. exim4 is a bit heavyweight when all you want to do is deliver local mail only.`
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`18:52.50`	`Fleck`	`user___ cant see anything or what ?`
`18:52.50`	`m0p`	`Woot, I am finally getting this stupid thing to work, then comes the most irritating part, setting up X!`
`18:52.51`	`user___`	`fleck like mode/#debian [ ] by`
`18:53.01`	`Fleck`	`ohh colors ;) ?`
`18:53.10`	`user___`	`fleck yeap =/`
`18:53.16`	`hojax`	`drac, valdyn .. there is a kernel-source-2.6.8-2 and a kernel-source-2.6.8-10 ... not sure if these would be OK ??`
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`18:53.36`	`user___`	`fleck can u help me?`
`18:53.44`	`Fleck`	`maybe`
`18:53.54`	`hojax`	`.... i mean headers.....`
`18:54.00`	`ITAY`	`I want to install debian and I have a few questions`
`18:54.06`	`user___`	`fleck i know that is something on /fset`
`18:54.09`	`ITAY`	`Does Debian automatically set the lilo/grub to be with windows?`
`18:54.16`	`user___`	`but cant control this right =(`
`18:54.19`	`elephantman`	`Why mkrescue \| mkboot doesnt work saying "not enough space on floppy..." ?`
`18:54.28`	`drac`	`hojax: -2`
`18:54.29`	`pngwn`	`ITAY, debian.org...there is an installation manual`
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`18:54.40`	`elephantman`	`Can't i make a boot disk if my kernel is bigger than 1.44MB ?`
`18:54.43`	`m0p`	`It's easy to setup Windows on grub, theres a commented section that tells you how.`
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`18:54.59`	`hojax`	`drac - and that'll be ok even though it isn't exactly what uname -r gives ??`
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`18:55.12`	`takatumi`	`hojax: the headers for -2 alone won't do, you'll need to upgrade your kernel-image to -2 as well.`
`18:55.32`	`sunrise`	`hi folks, I've installed Sarge successfully on my i386 today and whould like to know which kinde of LVM is supported by the debian-installer today ? lvm, lvm2 elvm ?`
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`18:56.10`	`sunrise`	`is there a way to switch to LVM without a backup/restore procedure ?`
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`18:56.15`	`user___`	`can anyone helps me on bitchx colors?`
`18:56.16`	`hojax`	`takatumi : OK, thanks..`
`18:56.35`	`stew`	`user___: #bitchx`
`18:57.05`	`user___`	`stew nobody there`
`18:57.20`	`takatumi`	`hojax: also take a look at module-assistant`
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`18:57.36`	`elephantman`	`Can't i make a boot disk if my kernel is bigger than 1.44MB ?`
`18:57.39`	`InitMass`	`any idea on how to minimize or change window when America's Army is running in gnome?`
`18:57.44`	`hojax`	`takatumi ... OK, for what ??`
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`18:58.08`	`elephantman`	`Why is this command trying to copy my whole kernel ? It will never fit on a floppy ?`
`18:58.23`	`takatumi`	`hojax: that'll do the job of getting the headers and so on, if available.`
`18:58.36`	`Sexyiest`	`What the hell?`
`18:58.38`	`hojax`	`takatumi Oh, cool thanks`
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`18:59.00`	`azreal`	`elephantman: you have to find a kernel image that WILL fit on a floppy.`
`18:59.02`	`warawetg`	`HVa er dette for en lorte server?`
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`18:59.37`	`elephantman`	`azreal: oh great - thanx`
`18:59.37`	`noob`	`i have a prob..my desktop wont load..but my apache is working fine..what will i do?`
`19:00.19`	`user___`	`noob have u configured ~/.xinitrc ?`
`19:00.26`	`m0p`	`damn X.`
`19:00.29`	`noob`	`how will i do it?`
`19:01.12`	`ericb_`	`hi all`
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`19:01.36`	`user___`	`noob like pico ~/.xinitrc ?`
`19:01.55`	`m0p`	`It doesn't detect my graphics card, keyboard or mouse.`
`19:02.01`	`greycat`	`pico == nano`
`19:02.02`	`noob`	`ok ill try it..`
`19:02.10`	`dataw0lf`	`vi > nano`
`19:02.15`	`Fleck`	`m0p why so? :)`
`19:02.32`	`warawetg`	`How do I suck my ass?`
`19:02.40`	`dataw0lf`	`start stretching.`
`19:02.48`	`warawetg`	`Ok ;D`
`19:02.54`	`m0p`	`"No core pointer" "RADOEN: No matching device found on PCI:1:0:1"`
`19:02.58`	`user___`	`m0p configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf`
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`19:03.06`	`m0p`	`I don't have XORG. :P`
`19:03.12`	`m0p`	`XFree86`
`19:03.12`	`user___`	`(i use slackware =P)`
`19:03.12`	`Fleck`	`debian and xorg? :)`
`19:03.24`	`Pappa`	`damn linux-wlan-ng`
`19:03.31`	`Fleck`	`user___ i can tell that by your ident :P`
`19:03.36`	`Pappa`	`iwconfig reports "no wireless extensions"`
`19:03.39`	`noob`	`user___: nothing is written there..is there a way like reinstalling it?`
`19:03.47`	`user___`	`Fleck yeap =P`
`19:04.12`	`m0p`	`damnit, it doesn't want to detect my graphics card at all!`
`19:04.14`	`jerome`	`humpf, I just bought a dvd writer, burned a dvd to test how things work, chose safe options (rr ext, no multisession etc, 8x) on a DVD- verbatim, 8x. THe dvd is mounted et read just fine in the writer but fails on the dvd drive (ro). My dmesg is full of errors I don't get with the writer (isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdb, iso_blknum=16, block=16 etc). The mount options are just the same, so any idea/advice about dvd burning`
`19:04.17`	`user___`	`noob its better other guy help u`
`19:04.22`	`user___`	`noob i use slackware`
`19:04.26`	`noob`	`ahhh ok`
`19:04.31`	`noob`	`thanx..`
`19:04.37`	`user___`	`np, and sorry =/`
`19:04.49`	`ericb_`	`I read the debian windows-linux printing howto, but I have an issue, when I print something, the printer really seems to try to print to it don't print anything... yes it does have ink.. I thinks it's a footmatic or some kind of driver problem... anyone can help ?`
`19:04.50`	`noob`	`user___ is my desktop related to apache?`
`19:05.05`	`a-atwood`	`!dpkg setup X`
`19:05.06`	`m0p`	`If I install the official ATi drivers, it will detect my 9800XT?`
`19:05.26`	`a-atwood`	`!dpkg setup xfree86`
`19:05.30`	`thingfish`	`dancing is good exercise.`
`19:05.41`	`greycat`	`Hrm.`
`19:05.58`	`user___`	`noob dont think so..`
`19:06.04`	`greycat`	`filename: /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/i810.o`
`19:06.07`	`azreal`	`m0p: for future reference, ATI sucks ass! they are horrible with open source driver support.`
`19:06.09`	`greycat`	`That is a module.`
`19:06.16`	`rob0`	`OT question, but maybe someone can help: is there a quick way to export PDF to text? If so what Debian package?`
`19:07.05`	`m0p`	`azreal, I know that, but it didn't answer my question.`
`19:07.12`	`rob0`	`pstotext - Extract text from PostScript and PDF files`
`19:07.22`	`m0p`	`Oh, works after a reboot :o`
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`19:07.49`	`azreal`	`m0p: read the release notes for the driver, if it lists your chipset, then i would assume that it would work.`
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`19:08.48`	`greycat`	`Wait, wait... if i810 is a module, then why isn't it showing up in the list of "Modules linked in:" in the kernel panic?`
`19:08.53`	`noob`	`can anyone else help me?`
`19:09.04`	`*** mode/#debian [+l 817] by debhelper`
`19:09.06`	`greycat`	`and if it's NOT a module, or isn't loaded, why does it say "i810: ..." on the screen before that?`
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`19:09.17`	`greycat`	`and WHO THE FUCK IS LOADING i810_audio??`
`19:09.27`	`jason`	`What all do I need to setup my debian box as a router? (I have 2 nics in it)`
`19:09.28`	`Fleck`	`;p`
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`19:09.39`	`RonBurgundy`	`I'm thinking after using gentoo for four years of moving to debian... has anyone here done a switch like that and found debian much more powerfull than gentoo?`
`19:10.00`	`Fleck`	`greycat hotplug ?`
`19:10.08`	`greycat`	`Fleck: then why doesn't the blacklist work?`
`19:10.17`	`greycat`	`I figure something's loading it indirectly`
`19:10.18`	`thingfish`	`RonBurgundy: sorry, not from gentoo, I came from redhat/fedora.`
`19:10.20`	`Fleck`	`dunno`
`19:10.40`	`resiak`	`RonBurgundy: You know what the differences are, right?`
`19:10.52`	`user___`	`cya`
`19:10.53`	`greycat`	`!override`
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`19:10.55`	`RonBurgundy`	`differences between what, gentoo and debian? no i dont.`
`19:10.57`	`jerome`	`RonBurgundy: better directly switch to openbsd`
`19:10.58`	`greycat`	`!listkeys override`
`19:11.00`	`dpkg`	`Factoid search of 'override' by key (1): dpkg-statoverride.`
`19:11.00`	`Fleck`	`greycat well, maybe discover ?`
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`19:11.05`	`greycat`	`!dpkg-statoverride`
`19:11.05`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that dpkg-statoverride is the proper, upgrade proof way to handle permissions on package owned files`
`19:11.09`	`RonBurgundy`	`bsd is dying....`
`19:11.12`	`greycat`	`permissions? hmm.`
`19:11.24`	`greycat`	`RonBurgundy: troll elsewhere, dammit.`
`19:11.51`	`RonBurgundy`	`im not trolling, im just asking if anyone here went from gentoo to debian, because i was thinking of doing the same`
`19:12.04`	`citral`	`why not try it?`
`19:12.04`	`jerome`	`RonBurgundy: you are too, as you are using freenices for almost 5 years. That makes you get old quickly.`
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`19:12.40`	`greycat`	`will dpkg-statoverride --add root root 000 modulename make the module unloadable?`
`19:12.42`	`jarmo`	`why does not my graphic card work along with tv-screen?`
`19:12.55`	`greycat`	`14:11 RonBurgundy> bsd is dying....`
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`19:13.00`	`greycat`	`^^^ troll.`
`19:13.05`	`jarmo`	`it's old ati card, and it starts to work immediately when I'll leave from debian..`
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`19:13.10`	`abrotman`	`RonBurgundy: /msg dpkg why debian`
`19:13.14`	`takatumi`	`greycat: http://www.desktoplinux.com/cgi-bin/board/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=migration&Post=437&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= The 5th last post seems to be similar to your issue and the 4th last post seems to fix it.`
`19:13.17`	`abrotman`	`greycat: not having better luck ?`
`19:13.24`	`RonBurgundy`	`greycat: yeah i said that, but i was just making a point, one not trolling`
`19:13.27`	`takatumi`	`hope you have a mouse to paste that :P`
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`19:13.52`	`citral`	`urlgrap.pl :P`
`19:13.57`	`citral`	`grab`
`19:14.04`	`RonBurgundy`	`can a debian be built directly from source?`
`19:14.06`	`Fleck`	`:)`
`19:14.06`	`abrotman`	`citral: grep ?`
`19:14.07`	`azreal`	`RonBurgundy: just figure the differences are enough that you should read some stuff on debian.org, and understand that debian is more stable and static than gentoo is, by-far.`
`19:14.08`	`jarmo`	`any tips?`
`19:14.19`	`abrotman`	`RonBurgundy: you can .. but if you do that .. why not use gentoo ?`
`19:14.21`	`greycat`	`takatumi: removing the module isn't a PERMENANT fix, because it comes right back when a new kernel is installed.`
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`19:14.31`	`abrotman`	`!tell RonBurgundy about apt-build`
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`19:14.33`	`citral`	`abrotman: there are nice perl scripts for irssi, to open the urls directly`
`19:14.34`	`greycat`	`PERMANENT`
`19:14.39`	`greycat`	`I can spell, but I can't necessarily type.`
`19:14.50`	`abrotman`	`greycat: can't you have discover blacklist it ?`
`19:15.00`	`azreal`	`RonBurgundy: if, however you want a more dynamic insecure unstable platform stick with gentoo.`
`19:15.09`	`takatumi`	`greycat: I understand that, but it seems strange that blacklist doesn't bite it.`
`19:15.14`	`RonBurgundy`	`well thats the only thing im slightly scared about with debian, is the fact that I might be losing speed with debian because im installing all these precompiled packages`
`19:15.18`	`jarmo`	`hello???`
`19:15.19`	`RonBurgundy`	`other than that i would use debian`
`19:15.22`	`greycat`	`abrotman: discover blacklist worked.`
`19:15.28`	`abrotman`	`RonBurgundy: how fast is your computer?`
`19:15.29`	`greycat`	`abrotman: hotplug's blacklist seems NOT to work.`
`19:15.35`	`abrotman`	`greycat: damn hotplug!`
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`19:15.40`	`Shimonn`	`apt does not upgrade apache and php (in sarge) why ? (where can i see the reason ?)`
`19:15.45`	`RonBurgundy`	`abrotman: 3.06GHz its modern`
`19:15.58`	`azreal`	`RonBurgundy: thats just all a load of propaganda bs, the differnces are negligable.`
`19:15.59`	`takatumi`	`honestly hotplug works really well here, discover sucks.`
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`19:16.04`	`abrotman`	`RonBurgundy: honestly .. do you think you'd notice .5234152345% difference ?`
`19:16.12`	`citral`	`RonBurgundy: compile you kernel, your dvd player and that should be about it`
`19:16.31`	`DrPete`	`anyone tried a server at layeredtech.com ? They any good, they seem really good value, I am worried about the catch`
`19:16.38`	`abrotman`	`citral: why bother .. use -686 kernel and libc`
`19:16.59`	`citral`	`abrotman: shuutttt don't break his dreams`
`19:17.04`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`19:17.20`	`greycat`	`the module that I renamed to disabled.i810_audio.ko IS STILL RENAMED!`
`19:17.27`	`greycat`	`It wasn't replaced by a new kernel-image after all!`
`19:17.33`	`greycat`	`so how's it being LOADED?`
`19:17.43`	`abrotman`	`oh`
`19:17.48`	`noob`	`what is xinit for?`
`19:17.52`	`citral`	`mv i810_ausio.ko i810.ko.old; done`
`19:18.16`	`azreal`	`noob: umm, init'ing X?`
`19:18.32`	`paulswm`	`noob: man xinit`
`19:19.13`	`abrotman`	`RonBurgundy: you can rebuild your entire box with debian .. but most of us prefer not to .. the speed increase just doesn't offset the time compiling .. at least not IMO`
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`19:20.12`	`noob`	`i get this error when i type xinit.. X: cannot stat /tmp/.X11-unix (no such file or directory) is this significant on why i cant load my desktop?`
`19:20.24`	`abrotman`	`you mean .. startx ?`
`19:20.27`	`infodroid`	`!tell RonBurgundy about apt-build`
`19:20.33`	`abrotman`	`infodroid: i already did :)`
`19:20.37`	`greycat`	`Huh.`
`19:20.40`	`pharm`	`RonBurgundy: plus with the libc6-i686 package you get most of the benefits of recompiling libc6`
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`19:20.50`	`infodroid`	`abrotman: hehe one more for good measure`
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`19:20.56`	`greycat`	`renaming it back to i810_audio.ko makes a new error appear, which I can't type out until the damned thing stops booting`
`19:20.56`	`citral`	`I noticed a litlle bit better performance on a 366Mhz, recompiling with the premptible option`
`19:20.59`	`abrotman`	`still a waste of time IMO`
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`19:21.22`	`noob`	`i get this error when i type xinit.. X: cannot stat /tmp/.X11-unix (no such file or directory) is this significant on why i cant load my desktop?`
`19:21.23`	`greycat`	`c'mon, dhcp, give up already.`
`19:21.27`	`abrotman`	`noob: startx`
`19:21.31`	`citral`	`greycat: ctrl-c`
`19:21.36`	`RonBurgundy`	`how different, learning wise, is gentoo from debian, if i switch say tonight, will it take me a week to learn everything?`
`19:21.36`	`abrotman`	`^c`
`19:21.47`	`abrotman`	`!tell RonBurgundy about refcard`
`19:21.59`	`abrotman`	`RonBurgundy: and print it if you can i guess`
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`19:22.08`	`greycat`	`"shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI ..... \n modprobe: FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/sound/oss/disabled.i810_audio.ko': No such file or directory`
`19:22.10`	`noob`	`thanks alot abrotman`
`19:22.11`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: box cars!`
`19:22.12`	`greycat`	`"`
`19:22.19`	`abrotman`	`greycat: yay ?`
`19:22.23`	`greycat`	`abrotman: confused.`
`19:22.31`	`paulswm`	`Snake eyes!`
`19:22.34`	`greycat`	`why is it looking for the module with the WRONG name?`
`19:22.34`	`abrotman`	`greycat: shouldn't that be -686 ?`
`19:22.49`	`greycat`	`abrotman: it's the standard sarge linux26 kernel. I didn't update it.`
`19:22.51`	`abrotman`	`does modprobe or something just get a list of modules in the dir ?`
`19:22.53`	`citral`	`greycat: forgot depmod?`
`19:22.56`	`valdyn_`	`greycat: depmod -a was run when that file existed`
`19:23.09`	`abrotman`	`er .. yeah .. depmod`
`19:23.10`	`greycat`	`citral: you're saying it loads modules before it runs depmod at boot time?`
`19:23.14`	`abrotman`	`!lart me`
`19:23.21`	`citral`	`greycat: oh, no`
`19:23.29`	`citral`	`it shouldn't, at least`
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`19:23.46`	`abrotman`	`it could ..`
`19:23.55`	`greycat`	`fuck it, I'll just run depmod -a and reboot.`
`19:23.58`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`19:24.07`	`abrotman`	`!beer greycat`
`19:24.12`	`noob`	`abrotman: i typed startx now all i get is a white screen..is this normal?`
`19:24.15`	`abrotman`	`and don't complain about not drinking .. just drink it`
`19:24.29`	`abrotman`	`noob: possibly .. what desktop are you trying to use ?`
`19:24.30`	`greycat`	`automatic = evil.`
`19:24.34`	`calin`	`I'm in a console on my system, one of the alt+ctrl+f#, and it's truncating the first character of every line, including wrapped lines`
`19:24.51`	`calin`	`example is in bitchx, i see calin> instead of <calin>`
`19:24.51`	`greycat`	`calin: monitor adjustment?`
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`19:25.09`	`calin`	`greycat tried that`
`19:25.10`	`noob`	`abrotman: what do you mean what desktop? like kde?`
`19:25.19`	`abrotman`	`noob: or gnome or xfce4`
`19:25.19`	`greycat`	`OK. The blacklist works if the module has the proper name.`
`19:25.21`	`abrotman`	`whatever`
`19:25.31`	`noob`	`abrotman: kde`
`19:25.39`	`greycat`	`Apparently the mechanism by which a module is blacklisted, and the mechanism by which it is LOADED, are not the same.`
`19:25.41`	`abrotman`	noob: did you try `startkde` ?
`19:25.48`	`abrotman`	`eegads .. i'm learning kde ...`
`19:25.52`	`Fleck`	`;p`
`19:26.06`	`noob`	`abrotman: nope..ill try it now..`
`19:26.38`	`abrotman`	`heh`
`19:26.45`	`abrotman`	`just take his hat off first`
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`19:26.58`	`abrotman`	`noob: you could also install kdm .. make your life easier IMO`
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`19:27.15`	`citral`	`*dm = evil`
`19:27.40`	`abrotman`	`citral: i kind of like it .. i spend more time in X than out of it .. so why not`
`19:27.50`	`calin`	`this is odd`
`19:27.58`	`abrotman`	`cows are barking ?`
`19:28.01`	`paulswm`	`*dm != evil`
`19:28.09`	`devazion`	`abrotman: sometimes yes`
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`19:28.13`	`calin`	`i stopped/started gdm and it fixed it`
`19:28.14`	`citral`	`oh yeah, I just spend more time in console, that's why :)`
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`19:28.29`	`abrotman`	`citral: yeah .. if i did .. i guess i would .. but i don't code much at home anymore`
`19:28.35`	`abrotman`	`so xterm works just fine :)`
`19:28.48`	`citral`	`bah`
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`19:29.39`	`abrotman`	`did you guys know gaim doesn't support /exec .. or some some guy in here last night had me believe ..`
`19:29.49`	`paulswm`	`Works fine for C and Perl and I don't write much in those pinko computer science langs`
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`19:29.55`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: anjuta ?`
`19:30.06`	`pureone`	`gaim requires a plugin for /exec`
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`19:30.18`	`pureone`	`bangexec.o`
`19:30.26`	`abrotman`	`ah`
`19:30.32`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: have you tried anjuta ?`
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`19:31.00`	`paulswm`	`abrotman: No, but now you remind me, it is definitely worth a try, thanks`
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`19:31.20`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: i can remind you of lots of things .. don't forget you owe me a few hundred dollars too :)`
`19:32.03`	`paulswm`	`IIRC I only owed you a few hundred bucks if Kathryn Morris showed up for the weekend :)`
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`19:32.16`	`abrotman`	`paulswm: i can send my mom ?`
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`19:32.32`	`paulswm`	`Does she look like Kathryn Morris?`
`19:32.50`	`abrotman`	`if you squint`
`19:32.52`	`Fleck`	`;p`
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`19:32.57`	`ircdevil`	`i am trying to compile lyx with qt-frontend: checking for Qt library name... failed - what am i missing?`
`19:32.57`	`paulswm`	`HAHAHA`
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`19:33.03`	`paulswm`	`!beer abrotman`
`19:33.08`	`abrotman`	`ircdevil: libqt3-dev ?`
`19:33.11`	`gnufan`	`Anyone tried hula yet?`
`19:33.15`	`asg`	`ircdevil: libqt3-mt-dev`
`19:33.15`	`ircdevil`	`abrotman: nope`
`19:33.17`	`abrotman`	`gnufan: i did .. #hula`
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`19:33.32`	`abrotman`	`gnufan: are you trying to compile it ?`
`19:34.05`	`greycat`	`ARRRRGGGH!`
`19:34.05`	`ircdevil`	`asg what is the mt part?`
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`19:34.10`	`asg`	`ircdevil: multi-threaded`
`19:34.12`	`ircdevil`	`!sedate greycat`
`19:34.12`	`gnufan`	`abrotman: I found a deb lurking, guess I should try #hula... my bad`
`19:34.19`	`greycat`	`pppoeconf in sarge actually EXPECTS THE ADSL MODEM TO BE PRESENT!`
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`19:34.28`	`abrotman`	`gnufan: it's fairly easy to compile .. if you have automake1.7 or something`
`19:34.31`	`ircdevil`	`here kitty-kitty-kitty`
`19:34.34`	`paulswm`	`CAPS!`
`19:34.36`	`jason`	`What all is needed for ipmasq and setting up my box as a router? (I have two nics) the tldp ipmasq tutorial only has up to 2.4 kernel and i'm running 2.6`
`19:34.37`	`abrotman`	`gnufan: check the trouble shooting crap`
`19:34.57`	`abrotman`	`apt-get install ipmasq ?`
`19:34.59`	`Fleck`	`jason iptables ?`
`19:35.00`	`greycat`	`don't they know that the person installing linux is not the same as the person RUNNING it? nor in the same building? nor even the same city?`
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`19:35.16`	`abrotman`	`!nickmeter s3ri4l`
`19:35.17`	`dpkg`	`s3ri4l is 100% lame with a cherry on top!`
`19:35.19`	`noob`	`abrotman: i tried startkde it says xsetroot:unable to open display`
`19:35.24`	`ircdevil`	`asg: i still get that error along with: configure: error: Cannot compile a simple Qt executable. Check you have the right $QTDIR !`
`19:35.31`	`paulswm`	`!beat greycat's tormentors`
`19:35.34`	`greycat`	`ircdevil: apt-cache search --names-only lib qt -dev`
`19:35.34`	`abrotman`	`noob: use kdm .. unless you spend >60% of your time in terminals`
`19:35.38`	`Fleck`	`!nickmeter Fleck`
`19:35.39`	`dpkg`	`Fleck is 100% lame with a cherry on top!`
`19:35.45`	`Fleck`	`lol`
`19:35.46`	`abrotman`	`i guess it's nickometer`
`19:35.47`	`asg`	`ircdevil: and do you have the right $QTDIR?`
`19:35.58`	`greycat`	`if you're setting QTDIR you're doing something wrong.`
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`19:36.14`	`abrotman`	`if you're using Qt .. you're doing something wrong`
`19:36.29`	`s3ri4l`	`hello, people, i need to autentic squid in AD2000, and in debian, i dont see msnt_auth, in apt-cache searh dont show any results, can help, i need to compile squid manualy?`
`19:36.33`	`ircdevil`	`greycat: i am not. it is just the message from configure`
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`19:36.57`	`noob`	`abrotman: thanks..its ok now..`
`19:36.59`	`jason`	`;o`
`19:37.01`	`abrotman`	`noob: ?`
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`19:37.23`	`ircdevil`	`i got libqt3-dev and libqt3-mt-dev installed`
`19:37.26`	`noob`	`abrotman: i mean i have my desktop now..thanx alot ;)`
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`19:37.38`	`abrotman`	`noob: you fixed it?`
`19:37.40`	`devazion`	`Anybody know any gtk terminal that "aint" gnome?`
`19:37.51`	`noob`	`abrotman: you did not me..`
`19:37.57`	`abrotman`	`noob: what did i do?`
`19:38.00`	`noob`	`afterall im just a noob`
`19:38.02`	`abrotman`	`devazion: i use xterm :)`
`19:38.04`	`s3ri4l`	`hello, people, i need to autentic squid in AD2000, and in debian, i dont see msnt_auth, in apt-cache searh dont show any results, can help, i need to compile squid manualy?`
`19:38.11`	`asg`	`!tell s3ri4l about repeat`
`19:38.22`	`s3ri4l`	`asg sorry ;)`
`19:38.24`	`ircdevil`	`asg: $QTDIR is set where? (echo $QTDIR shows nothing)`
`19:38.28`	`devazion`	`abrotman: i want smooth fonts :)`
`19:38.28`	`coachz`	`How does the system crontab work? I see /etc/crontab and it has jobs it it but how does it get run?`
`19:38.36`	`abrotman`	`overrated`
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`19:38.48`	`abrotman`	`devazion: apt-cache search terminal ?`
`19:38.52`	`greycat`	`coachz: man cron`
`19:39.00`	`asg`	`ircdevil: You shouldn't have to set it, like greycat said. Check with #debian-kde, they might know what's up in this case.`
`19:39.01`	`coachz`	`ok`
`19:39.05`	`devazion`	`abrotman: sure sure, but there are 100 terminals all based on rxvt :) all is the same`
`19:39.14`	`coachz`	`back in 2 hours`
`19:39.18`	`ircdevil`	`asg: kde? i dont want no kde!`
`19:39.23`	`abrotman`	`devazion: the only oother suggestion i have is ask on irc.gnome.org`
`19:39.26`	`asg`	`ircdevil: kde is built on libqt`
`19:39.35`	`abrotman`	`harmony!!`
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`19:39.38`	`ircdevil`	`oh`
`19:39.43`	`asg`	`ircdevil: they are more likely to know about it than we are`
`19:40.25`	`asg`	`ircdevil: also, see if libqt3{-mt}-dev's /usr/share/doc/<pkg> directories contain anything strikingly useful.`
`19:40.39`	`greycat`	`{,-mt}`
`19:40.46`	`asg`	`eep`
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`19:41.31`	`k-dog`	`I'm trying to find my graphics card, and it's not listed in 'lspci' output. Suggestions?`
`19:42.02`	`greycat`	`k-dog: open the case`
`19:42.17`	`asg`	`ircdevil: oh yeah, one other thing. Do you have 'build-essential' installed?`
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`19:42.47`	`Lorvija`	`hmm, I just installed mod perl but how do I remove restrictions which restrict from running .cgi scripts in public_html?`
`19:42.57`	`k-dog`	`greycat: yeah, I'm headed that way.`
`19:43.13`	`ircdevil`	`asg: no - is that necessary`
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`19:43.27`	`greycat`	`Lorvija: you realize that the first part of your sentence and the second part are TOTALLY unrelated?`
`19:43.27`	`ircdevil`	`asg: hmmm that didnt help`
`19:43.30`	`devazion`	`In what file do i find what was printed during boot?`
`19:43.32`	`asg`	`ircdevil: well, it will pull in your c++ and compiler`
`19:43.38`	`abrotman`	`dmesg`
`19:43.49`	`Lorvija`	`greycat hmm nice (: that propably means i should get some sleep`
`19:43.54`	`stew`	`Lorvija: add a <Directory /home/*/public_html> entry with Options +ExecCGI`
`19:43.55`	`k-dog`	`greycat: speestrator pro mean anything?`
`19:43.57`	`devazion`	`abrotman: thanks`
`19:44.08`	`Lorvija`	`stew thanks`
`19:44.26`	`asg`	`k-dog: pee straighter? pro?`
`19:44.45`	`abrotman`	`asg: heh`
`19:44.49`	`k-dog`	`asg: Um. "speedstrator".`
`19:44.57`	`abrotman`	`asg: if you tinkle when you sprinkle .. be neat and wipe the seat`
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`19:45.06`	`abrotman`	`err .. sprinkle when you tinkle :)`
`19:45.16`	`k-dog`	`...and speedstar.`
`19:45.16`	`ircdevil`	`asg: well, the problem seem that this configure script fails to locate the libqt. i can give it manually to the configure script (i think). now, that would be /usr/lib/qt ?`
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`19:45.41`	`ircdevil`	`hm, no`
`19:45.44`	`asg`	`ircdevil: did you run 'make distclean' after installing libqt3-mt-dev?`
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`19:45.53`	`robewald_`	`Hello, I put some libs into /usr/local/lib, how can I tell debian to search it without having to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for every user?`
`19:46.09`	`stew`	`ircdevil: are you trying to build the debian package? or upstream source?`
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`19:46.31`	`asg`	`robewald_: look at /etc/ld.so.conf`
`19:46.47`	`asg`	`robewald_: and ldconfig(8)`
`19:47.25`	`ircdevil`	`stew: i am trying to compile lyx with qt-frontend`
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`19:48.14`	`k-dog`	`Aparently a 3d rage pro...`
`19:48.25`	`ircdevil`	`asg: no, i never had to run make distclean before`
`19:48.40`	`asg`	`ircdevil: does it work if you do?`
`19:48.52`	`stew`	`ircdevil: is that somehow different than the lyx-qt package`
`19:49.11`	`stew`	`!info lyx-qt`
`19:49.16`	`dpkg`	`lyx-qt: (High Level Word Processor - Qt frontend), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.3.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1515 kB, Installed size: 4188 kB`
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`19:49.46`	`robewald_`	`asg: thanks for the quick help`
`19:50.30`	`asg`	`robewald_: you're welcome`
`19:51.04`	`Rawplayer`	`is this a kernel bug? KERNEL: assertion (!atomic_read(&sk->sk_wmem_alloc)) failed at net/ipv4/af_inet.c (150)`
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`19:51.21`	`greycat`	`sure looks like one.`
`19:51.24`	`ribnitz`	`heyas`
`19:51.35`	`Rawplayer`	`k`
`19:52.09`	`ircdevil`	`asg ok got it (wise guy in debian-kde had the solution -> --with-frontend=qt --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt)`
`19:52.42`	`ircdevil`	`stew: i am testing lyx 1.3.5`
`19:53.01`	`abrotman`	`Rawplayer: #kernel ?`
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`19:56.11`	`sussudio`	`!fix k-dog`
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`19:56.27`	`Fleck`	`:)`
`19:56.43`	`abrotman`	`now that's a pebkac`
`19:57.02`	`ircdevil`	`dpkg kernel picnic is when your kernel decides to take a day off`
`19:57.02`	`dpkg`	`okay, ircdevil`
`19:58.06`	`Basic2EE`	`is there a way to exclude your CVS dir from the -source package when using cdbs?`
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`19:58.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`Basic2EE: you mean the .orig.tar.gz?`
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`19:59.16`	`brisling`	`hi`
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`20:00.15`	`greycat`	`so.... pon is a script that runs /usr/sbin/pppd which is a setuid root binary, with group dip execute perms. Fine. But poff is a script that just calls kill on the PID of pppd. So a user in the dip group can run pon, but not poff. Right?`
`20:00.17`	`Basic2EE`	`dondelelcaro: no, it's a project I maintain, building out of the cvs repo, don't want the cvs stuff to be bundled into the source package`
`20:00.29`	`brisling`	`i've have tried to install php5, but i get this message, error, xm12-config not found. Does anyone know how to solve this?`
`20:00.38`	`greycat`	`brisling: ELL! NOT ONE!`
`20:00.56`	`greycat`	`X. M. L. eXwhatever Markup Language.`
`20:01.01`	`FieldySnuts`	`@lart php{,5}`
`20:01.14`	`abrotman`	`greycat: file a bug ?`
`20:01.18`	`FieldySnuts`	`heh`
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`20:01.55`	`ribnitz`	`greycat: Extra Marital Licking? ;)`
`20:02.22`	`asuffield`	`"excessively marked-up language", more like`
`20:02.46`	`asuffield`	`XML is primarily an anti-compression scheme. it makes files larger without altering their content.`
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`20:02.53`	`ribnitz`	`asuffield: can be compressed well, usually. :)`
`20:02.57`	`greycat`	`<comment target="asuffield"><interjection>heh</interjection></comment>`
`20:03.00`	`coachz`	`can i do a cron job like this? 00,15,30,45 * * * * root echo "This command is run every 15 mins"`
`20:03.18`	`greycat`	`coachz: yes.`
`20:03.18`	`asuffield`	`ribnitz: that's because pretty much all the markup is what is known in compression theory as 'redundancy' :P`
`20:03.21`	`coachz`	`thanks`
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`20:03.33`	`asuffield`	`(compression algorithms are based on locating and eliminating redundancy)`
`20:03.55`	`ribnitz`	`asuffield: thats called encryption. :)`
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`20:04.20`	`Pappa`	`=/`
`20:04.33`	`Pappa`	`all boxes behind my router are SLOW`
`20:04.40`	`greycat`	`awwww.`
`20:04.52`	`Pappa`	`like in 66Kbit/s-to-internet slow`
`20:05.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`Basic2EE: if you're building a binary package, you need to have an orig.tar.gz`
`20:05.21`	`Pappa`	`and the router is like 1.2-MB-per-sec-to-internet fast`
`20:05.30`	`asuffield`	`ribnitz: no, encryption is just improved by eliminating redundancy. it's the reason why so many encryption protocols gzip the data first`
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`20:05.45`	`asuffield`	`(redundancy in the input stream can be leveraged for cryptanalysis)`
`20:05.46`	`dondelelcaro`	`Basic2EE: (and actually, even if you're [for an ungodly reason] building a source .deb, you still need the orig.tar.gz)`
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`20:06.24`	`Pappa`	`neways`
`20:06.53`	`Pappa`	`in /etc/network/interfaces i have iface eth0 inet static ... (address netmask broadcast the usual)`
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`20:07.15`	`Pappa`	`but i need to set media type since it only does 10baseT halfduplex`
`20:07.20`	`greycat`	`Pappa: are transfers from client to router fast? how about from router to client?`
`20:07.27`	`lara`	`Hello, by setting up quota I got the following error, if its a error: "quotacheck: Old group file not found. Usage will not be substracted." What does this mean ?`
`20:07.33`	`Pappa`	`greycat: i shall test now`
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`20:08.26`	`Pappa`	`but eth1, connected to WAN, runs 100baseTX fullduplex`
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`20:08.56`	`mbeebe`	`We currently use sendmail? Do I need a new mail server to use imap?`
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`20:09.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`mbeebe: no`
`20:09.44`	`dondelelcaro`	`mbeebe: you just need an imap server like dovecot or cyrus-imapd or something`
`20:09.46`	`Pappa`	`mbeebe: POP / IMAP don't really work on the mail layer`
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`20:10.23`	`Pappa`	`mbeebe: pop / imap are daemons who allow users to log in and check their local mailboxes from another box`
`20:10.34`	`greycat`	`for some values of "log in"`
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`20:11.05`	`lara`	`Hello, by setting up quota I got the following error, if its a error: "quotacheck: Old group file not found. Usage will not be substracted." What does this mean ?`
`20:11.24`	`mbeebe`	`Thank you, Right now we set up our emails as POP accounts. Does that mean that we have a POP server outside of sendmail?`
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`20:12.46`	`RonBurgundy`	`if i wanted to install a new kernel, mainly 2.6.11, which package would I go for?`
`20:13.05`	`pzn`	`which package do you recommend for web viewing of CVS? viewcvs, cvsweb, or other... repository is local CVS only.`
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`20:13.40`	`Pappa`	`mbeebe: mail is delivered to sendmail, sendmail puts it in mailboxes. pop daemon logs a user in, checks the mailbox and return the contents to the user`
`20:13.51`	`Pappa`	`mbeebe: tro tpop3d, ex-easy`
`20:13.54`	`Pappa`	`try*`
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`20:14.51`	`stew`	`mbeebe: netstat -pant \| grep :110 <- should give you a hint as to what pop server you currently have`
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`20:14.58`	`Pyro`	`test`
`20:15.05`	`Pyro`	`!tell Pyro amd64`
`20:15.13`	`mbeebe`	`Pappa: Which imap server would you suggest?`
`20:15.16`	`stew`	`RonBurgundy: i don't think 2.6.11 is packaged yet`
`20:15.20`	`mboso`	`how do you revert to and old version of a specific package after an apt-get upgrade?`
`20:15.21`	`Pyro`	`someone tell me where I can get amd 64 debian sargent`
`20:15.25`	`Pyro`	`pweeez`
`20:15.27`	`Pappa`	`mbeebe: cyrus imapd`
`20:15.38`	`Pyro`	`!tell pyro 64-bit`
`20:15.50`	`Pyro`	`!tell pyro 64`
`20:15.50`	`pzn`	`mbeebe, cyrus or courier imapd`
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`20:16.07`	`Pyro`	`hello?`
`20:16.37`	`Pyro`	`what is the 64 bit room?`
`20:16.38`	`RonBurgundy`	`stew: then how would i go about installing 2.6.11? In gentoo all i would do is emerge gentoo-dev-sources, and its there`
`20:16.39`	`daww`	`"apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common" gives me "E: Invalid operation nvidia-kernel-source", suggestions?`
`20:16.43`	`pzn`	`Pyro, maybe piro must be written Pyro... I don't know if robot is case sensitive...`
`20:16.47`	`mbeebe`	`Pappa : thank you`
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`20:17.03`	`Pyro`	`!tell Pyro amd64`
`20:17.06`	`stew`	`RonBurgundy: you either wait for it to be packaged or you download the sources from kernel.org, and /msg dpkg kp`
`20:17.07`	`hifire`	`how do i discover what my current init is?`
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`20:17.17`	`Pyro`	`anybody know the debian 64 bit channel namde?!`
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`20:17.40`	`abrotman`	`!amd64`
`20:17.40`	`dpkg`	`hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1)`
`20:17.50`	`abrotman`	`!tell Pyro about amd64`
`20:17.52`	`pzn`	`daww, I just downloaded from nvidia site a binary, and ir worked. didn't use apt to it...`
`20:17.54`	`nrl`	`Pyro: /msg dpkg tell me about amd64`
`20:17.56`	`stew`	`mboso: apt doens't provide support for downgrading, you would have to remove the new package and install the old package by hand, the old package might be in /var/cache/apt/archives, or you need to fetch it from /msg dpkg sdn`
`20:18.05`	`RonBurgundy`	`stew: do you by chance know the name of the package with the latest kernel? I'm just a gentoo user and I'm trying to prepare for a debian installation`
`20:18.15`	`Pappa`	`how would i go about to create a 100 MB big file?`
`20:18.22`	`stew`	`daww: looks like NVDIST is unset`
`20:18.30`	`mboso`	`stew: thanks. i'll look into it`
`20:18.31`	`abrotman`	`Pappa: does it matter what's in it?`
`20:18.34`	`stew`	`daww: what does "echo $NVDIST" say`
`20:18.43`	`Pappa`	`abrotman: just dd if=/dev/null or something`
`20:18.47`	`Pappa`	`abrotman: really, no`
`20:18.54`	`pzn`	`RonBurgundy, install: kernel-image-2.6-686, or kernel-image-2.6-k7... it will depend on latest kernel 2.6`
`20:18.58`	`abrotman`	`Pappa: man dd .. if=/dev/urandom`
`20:19.15`	`Pappa`	`abrotman: i did dd if=/dev/urandom of=/home/ftp/testfile count=100M`
`20:19.16`	`daww`	`stew, an empty line " "`
`20:19.20`	`Pappa`	`didnt work`
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`20:19.27`	`stew`	`daww: then you need to set the NVDIST variable`
`20:19.28`	`pzn`	`RonBurgundy, check this: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all`
`20:19.31`	`abrotman`	`Pappa: bs=1024 count=1024 ?`
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`20:19.37`	`abrotman`	`err . .that's more than 100MB :)`
`20:19.40`	`tomas_`	`hi, when i do 'mount /cdrom'`
`20:19.43`	`abrotman`	`Pappa: but i htink you get the idea`
`20:19.49`	`tomas_`	`it is in fstab`
`20:19.49`	`Pappa`	`okie`
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`20:19.59`	`daww`	`stew, and how do I make that?`
`20:20.02`	`tomas_`	`dmesg says that Unable to identify CD-ROm format`
`20:20.04`	`abrotman`	`tomas_: all on one line please`
`20:20.11`	`tomas_`	`there is data disc with pictures, what should i do?`
`20:20.16`	`tomas_`	`abrotman sorry`
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`20:20.19`	`stew`	`daww: export NVDIST=blah`
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`20:20.55`	`stew`	`daww: this means you missed probably missed a stop in whatever instructions you were following`
`20:21.12`	`tomas_`	`so, i do : mount /cdrom it is in /etc/fstab, it says unable to mount, then i look to dmesg it says, that it cannot identify CD-ROM format, there is a data disc with pictures inserted!`
`20:21.20`	`Pappa`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:21.22`	`Pappa`	`should do it`
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`20:21.34`	`pzn`	`Pappa, cat /dev/zero \| head -c 100m > /tmp/my100mbfile`
`20:21.41`	`pzn`	`Pappa, :-)`
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`20:21.48`	`Pappa`	`pzn: it did it ;)`
`20:21.55`	`Pappa`	`now bandwidth testing.. bleh`
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`20:22.25`	`tomas_`	`help me!`
`20:22.25`	`tomas_`	`;]`
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`20:22.44`	`KasperTech`	`What grafic-driver should I choose to the XFree server when my GFX-card is a GeForce FX 5600 Ultra ??`
`20:22.55`	`abrotman`	`tomas_: which version of debian ?`
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`20:23.35`	`stew`	`KasperTech: use nv unless you need 3d accelleration, in which case /msg dpkg nvidia howto`
`20:23.50`	`KasperTech`	`stew: ok :)`
`20:23.56`	`joebob2000`	`for the life of me i cant get ide-scsi to work on the 2.4.27 kernel. isnt this what i need in grub to do the trick? kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.27-1-686-smp root=/dev/sda4 ro hda=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi`
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`20:24.30`	`joebob2000`	`or does it need to be /dev/hdx`
`20:24.37`	`daww`	`stew, correct NVDIST=unstable`
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`20:25.26`	`daww`	`stew, then I was able to run "apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common"`
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`20:26.15`	`joebob2000`	`sorry im barking up the wrong tree, it was the ide-cd module stepping on things`
`20:26.48`	`tomas_`	`abrotman woddy`
`20:26.57`	`tomas_`	`woody :)`
`20:27.17`	`abrotman`	`tomas_: and you're in all the right groups .. ?`
`20:27.22`	`tomas_`	`yes`
`20:27.23`	`tomas_`	`!`
`20:27.42`	`distempr`	`Right, help a brothah out. I need to change my default "wm" from gnome to xfce, I've installed the packages and everything's fine, except xfce isn't the default wm.`
`20:28.08`	`distempr`	`err... scratch the brothah out ... part... :)`
`20:29.26`	`abrotman`	`tomas_: did you try another CD ?`
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`20:31.53`	`pzn`	`which package do you recommend for web viewing of CVS? viewcvs, cvsweb, or other one? my repository is local CVS only.`
`20:32.57`	`abrotman`	`pzn: i hacked up cvsweb to do what i wanted fairly easily(restrict access) and seems lots of people use it`
`20:33.03`	`abrotman`	`pzn: maybe you hsould try them both ?`
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`20:35.52`	`xst`	`I look for a mailbox monitor for gnome. The "built in" monitor is excluded as per 2.10 so what can I use instead (It should work as a panel applet)?`
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`20:36.57`	`abrotman`	`xst: did you try gdesklets ?`
`20:37.24`	`abrotman`	`http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app_list&gd_sub_app_list=30`
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`20:37.50`	`pzn`	`abrotman, fortunately, I'll use it only for 3 people at local network...`
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`20:38.04`	`xst`	`abrotman: Don't know it, but I'll check it out. Thanks`
`20:38.06`	`abrotman`	`pzn: up to you`
`20:38.08`	`SvenJaschan`	`hi`
`20:38.15`	`abrotman`	`pzn: i see cvsweb the most ...`
`20:38.26`	`Pappa`	`ah i figure`
`20:38.32`	`Pappa`	`i use the wrong network driver`
`20:38.43`	`Pappa`	`i use 8139too on a rtl8139D`
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`20:38.49`	`Pappa`	`should be the C+ driver`
`20:38.55`	`pzn`	`abrotman, ok. thanks. I'll try it.`
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`20:41.43`	`Pappa`	`how do i change drivers? i tried rmmoding the old and probing 8139cp, no result`
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`20:42.40`	`corky0`	`seen amaya?`
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`20:43.12`	`tarzeau`	`ribnitz: now i just got an empty mail again from: wilhelmtux-discussion-request@wilhelmtux.ch`
`20:43.24`	`tarzeau`	`ribnitz: want me to forward it to you? or was it someone else responsible for this?`
`20:43.37`	`tarzeau`	`corky0: maybe in #debian-women ?`
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`20:44.09`	`corky0`	`yep...`
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`20:46.08`	`ribnitz`	`tarzeau: I have admin privs on the list. can you tell me the sender (no, not the list?). I'll then put them on a banned list..?`
`20:46.31`	`tarzeau`	`ribnitz: ah you think it's just spam?`
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`20:46.37`	`Pappa`	`should i just remove the old card and include only the other driver in the kernel`
`20:46.39`	`Pappa`	`?`
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`20:46.42`	`tarzeau`	`ribnitz: 1. Student sucht Hilfe =?iso-8859-1?q?f=FCr_ein_Linux_Projekt!?= (Marcel-Maurice Urech)`
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`20:46.52`	`tarzeau`	`ribnitz: remember, i have daily digest...`
`20:46.56`	`ribnitz`	`tarzeau: or an absent-minded admin.`
`20:47.11`	`tarzeau`	`ribnitz: it's just like the content is gone....`
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`20:47.42`	`kpinc`	`Hi, I'm using sarge & gnome and I want emacs key bindings in my text widgets. Is there a way?`
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`20:48.17`	`tarzeau`	`kpinc: gtk allows to set shortcuts for menu items...`
`20:48.23`	`tarzeau`	`kpinc: i'm not sure on gtk2...`
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`20:48.44`	`tarzeau`	`why/did gnome 2.x remove detachability of menus?`
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`20:49.05`	`kpinc`	`tarzeau: that sounds like a pain, having to manually redo the various emacs key bindings.`
`20:49.13`	`tarzeau`	`kpinc: yeah :)`
`20:49.30`	`tarzeau`	`kpinc: that's why i use gnustep, which has standard keyboard bindings, like mac os x (and openstep, and nextstep)`
`20:49.54`	`ribnitz`	`tarzeau: there has been one message in march, as of today.`
`20:50.02`	`kpinc`	`tarzeau: I'd consider switching from gnome just to get emacs key bindings.`
`20:50.05`	`jharrisonwk`	`eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww gnustep?`
`20:50.16`	`kpinc`	`it saves me quite a bit of reaching for the mouse.`
`20:50.31`	`tarzeau`	`kpinc: yes it's good if you can control things without mouse`
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`20:50.53`	`kpinc`	`tarzeau: Gnome has standardized the key bindings, it's just not a useful standard.`
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`20:51.09`	`tarzeau`	`kpinc: hehe. true but they've got alot of inconsistent things`
`20:51.17`	`cg0def`	`is there a support channel for v4l?`
`20:51.22`	`tarzeau`	`kpinc: or they change it often between versions`
`20:51.31`	`kpinc`	`tarzeau: Useful to me anyhow, and I suspect anybody who wants to edit text without using the mouse. or moving their fingers from the home keys.`
`20:51.35`	`ribnitz`	`tarzeau: pm?`
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`20:51.44`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: lovely, isn't it? have you even tried it? what is it you don't like about it?`
`20:51.56`	`tarzeau`	`ribnitz: sure.`
`20:51.59`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: oh im just pulling your leg`
`20:52.02`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: :-P`
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`20:52.21`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: how are you by the way?`
`20:52.26`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: doing well I hope`
`20:52.40`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: chocolate overflow. but fine otherwise`
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`20:53.06`	`sorcre`	`Hi, I seem to be having a problem setting up firefox. I get an error saying I don't have Libstdc++ but I know I do.`
`20:53.15`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: what kind of chocolate?`
`20:53.49`	`mythsmith`	`hi! I can't have NFS working... i keep getting "permission denied" also on localhost. On the lan, i get timeout...`
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`20:54.20`	`kpinc`	`mythsmith: Have you looked at /etc/exports?`
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`20:54.55`	`mythsmith`	`kpinc: y, i've tryed many config options. Always get the same errors...`
`20:55.13`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: all kinds of. currently some brown with nuts from www.migros.ch`
`20:56.07`	`kpinc`	`mythsmith: And you restarted nfsd or sent it a signal and whatnot?`
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`20:56.29`	`mythsmith`	`That's exactly the problem! How can i do that???`
`20:56.34`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: i played some www.mtp-target.org and when having enough switched to www.nethack.org .. what about your islands kingdom?`
`20:56.43`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: still no webcam for me?`
`20:56.54`	`kpinc`	`mythsmith: (You also have to have the RPC daemons running. There are 2 portmap and something else....)`
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`20:57.54`	`borius`	`what package is cb in?`
`20:58.00`	`tarzeau`	`borius: packages.debian.org`
`20:58.01`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: what do you want a webcam of?`
`20:58.06`	`borius`	`and does it handle c++?`
`20:58.09`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: brb I must relocate`
`20:58.11`	`kpinc`	`mythsmith: The easy way is typing "/etc/init.d/nfs restart", although I don't have nfs here so I can't say that the name of the program is "nfs" it could be "nfsd" or something else, maybe "nfs-common"?`
`20:58.12`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: beach, sea, sun`
`20:58.14`	`mythsmith`	`kpinc: I think the problem is to make mountd aware of my changes. There was a directory that I could mount. Now I removed that dir, but I can still mount it. So the mountd isn't aware of my changes`
`20:58.19`	`daww`	`I have done: 1. "NVDIST=unstable" 2. Added "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian $NVDIST main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list 3. "apt-get update" but "apt-get update" gives me "Err http://http.us.debian.org $NVDIST/main Packages" how can I fix this?`
`20:58.20`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: do you have a sister?`
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`20:58.37`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: hhmmmm why?`
`20:58.41`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: :-P`
`20:58.43`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: and that, if you got one`
`20:58.44`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: no I dont`
`20:59.02`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: I could set you up though`
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`20:59.07`	`tarzeau`	`jharrisonwk: we've still got snow. and it's cold.`
`20:59.22`	`mythsmith`	`kpinc: I've tryed rpc.nfsd restart. No effect.`
`20:59.41`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: ew`
`20:59.46`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: snow is not good`
`20:59.48`	`kpinc`	`mythsmith: It's been a while since I've done nfs, but I don't recall mountd....`
`20:59.51`	`jharrisonwk`	`tarzeau: brb relocating`
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`21:00.37`	`kpinc`	`mythsmith the rpc.nfsd is one of the rpc daemons that nfs needs to do port mapping, IIRC. You need the nfs server. It should be in the "exports" man page somewhere.`
`21:00.44`	`paulswm`	`daww: you can't use variables like that. Put the real value in sources.list`
`21:02.07`	`daww`	`paulswm, ok, so I MUST do: Add "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free"?`
`21:02.23`	`greycat`	`nobody MUST use unstable.`
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`21:02.50`	`paulswm`	`daww: Yes. The error message from apt-get makes that plain, surely`
`21:03.02`	`kpinc`	`bye bye. I'll try asking the gnome people about keyboard mappings.`
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`21:05.04`	`ildegar`	`i'm doing as alsa's "nvidia" page says and when I try to "./configure;make;make install" in /usr/src/alsa/alsa-lib... it says:`
`21:05.07`	`ildegar`	`configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check`
`21:05.09`	`ildegar`	See `config.log' for more details.
`21:05.12`	`ildegar`	`make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.`
`21:05.15`	`ildegar`	make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop.
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`21:05.36`	`greycat`	`why on earth are you trying to do alsa that way?`
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`21:05.46`	`greycat`	`!alsa`
`21:05.47`	`dpkg`	`somebody said alsa was On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit.`
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`21:06.11`	`fls`	`uhm, are there any version of debian that uses amd64?`
`21:06.19`	`valdyn_`	`now that factoid is missing something`
`21:06.34`	`greycat`	`valdyn_: fix it if you know what's missing...`
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`21:07.25`	`ildegar`	`if I do it "that" way it says: No card database.`
`21:07.40`	`OhSmiTt`	`I am looking for a method to document all aspects of a server and the changes that are made to it. I herd of something called "change control procedure" but this looks more suited to programming. Is there a standard method (document format) of doing this?`
`21:07.45`	`greycat`	`what kernel are you running, and what sound card?`
`21:07.51`	`greycat`	`fls: /msg dpkg amd64`
`21:07.56`	`fls`	`ok thx`
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`21:08.16`	`ribnitz`	`OhSmiTt: we are using html document templates here.`
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`21:08.45`	`ildegar`	`2.4.18-bf24 , lspci: 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)`
`21:08.57`	`OhSmiTt`	`ribnitz: html is probably a good idea .. is there a format? (you willing to share)`
`21:09.03`	`greycat`	`ildegar: woody's bf2.4 kernel doesn't have ALSA modules`
`21:09.17`	`greycat`	`ildegar: you'd be a LOT happier if you went to sarge for a desktop box`
`21:09.42`	`greycat`	`(I doubt woody's kernel has any driver that can drive an nforce audio chipset, but perhaps it's close to an i810)`
`21:10.07`	`valdyn_`	`!alsa`
`21:10.08`	`dpkg`	`i heard alsa is On Sarge, when using a debian 2.6 kernel, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit.`
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`21:10.17`	`ribnitz`	`OhSmiTt: I cant share the actual document, but its basically: create a document in Oofice, and save as html.`
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`21:10.28`	`valdyn_`	`greycat: for 2.4 you need to build alsa too, i don't know it step by step`
`21:10.35`	`greycat`	`!alsa 2.6`
`21:10.36`	`dpkg`	`alsa 2.6 is, like, On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit.`
`21:10.39`	`greycat`	`!alsa 2.4`
`21:10.42`	`greycat`	`bah.`
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`21:10.55`	`OhSmiTt`	`ribnitz: yea, well anything to get started`
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`21:11.40`	`greycat`	`dpkg, alsa 2.4 is <reply> First, you need to build the ALSA modules for your kernel. apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential debhelper; then read "man m-a". Finally, ask me about <alsa>.`
`21:11.40`	`dpkg`	`okay, greycat`
`21:11.43`	`ribnitz`	`OhSmiTt: we use it here, and it works well.`
`21:11.43`	`valdyn_`	`now if you use the 2.4.27 sarge kernel images, then it would be apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r), plenty special cases`
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`21:12.31`	`greycat`	`valdyn_: hrm, possibly. I don't know whether all the kernel images have alsa modules images to match.`
`21:13.31`	`valdyn_`	`greycat: only 2.4.27 ( or whatever is momentarily sarges planned release kernel`
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`21:14.12`	`u2self`	`i need help with my custom compile Debian 2.6.10 , i don't know what I did wrong, it is stucking at "Detecting Hardware" after mounting my 2 ntfs and 1 vfat file system`
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`21:14.22`	`zach`	`hey`
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`21:14.38`	`valdyn_`	`!module-assistant`
`21:14.38`	`dpkg`	`methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additinal (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them`
`21:14.53`	`OhSmiTt`	`greycat: do you get paid to be here?`
`21:14.56`	`greycat`	`OhSmiTt: no`
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`21:15.06`	`FieldySnuts`	`no one does`
`21:15.08`	`OhSmiTt`	`greycat: you are a god.`
`21:15.11`	`distempr`	`what's that app that just hangs on the desktop that displays cpu load etc... it's just text... man no one's gonna know what I'm talking about.`
`21:15.11`	`greycat`	`but I get to kick trolls and spammers and morons`
`21:15.12`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`not true`
`21:15.12`	`lara`	`Hello, by setting up quota I got the following error, if its a error: "quotacheck: Old group file not found. Usage will not be substracted." What does this mean ?`
`21:15.18`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`i get paid to be here on a regular basis`
`21:15.29`	`FieldySnuts`	`well yeah me too, on irc in general from work`
`21:15.34`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`in about 3 hours i'll be paid to be here again :)`
`21:15.39`	`greycat`	`distempr: top?`
`21:15.50`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`distempr, root-tail`
`21:15.52`	`paulswm`	`greycat does it for the general good of humanity and the opportunity to exercise the caps lock key`
`21:16.04`	`greycat`	`paulswm: liar! I hold down shift.`
`21:16.06`	`FieldySnuts`	`and also say "why do I bother?"`
`21:16.14`	`distempr`	`greycat: almost looks like it but it has little bars... the rest is all text, it sits in the root window.`
`21:16.15`	`OhSmiTt`	`greycat: I don't know how many years I have been using debian but you have been here since just about the beginning. crazy.`
`21:16.22`	`paulswm`	`greycat: :>`
`21:16.56`	`greycat`	`FieldySnuts: and occasionally get people to give me half-baked suggestions when I'm struggling with misbehaving laptops`
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`21:17.18`	`zach`	`hey`
`21:17.25`	`zach`	`there's somthin wrong with gedit`
`21:17.30`	`greycat`	`yeah, it's not vi.`
`21:17.32`	`k-dog`	`Is there a place where the old Debian apache placeholder page is found?`
`21:17.34`	`zach`	`vi?`
`21:17.35`	`FieldySnuts`	`yeah it's gnome`
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`21:17.45`	`greycat`	`k-dog: /var/www I'd imagine.`
`21:17.51`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`distempr, try torsmo`
`21:18.02`	`u2self`	`hello?`
`21:18.02`	`zach`	`whats another good text editor`
`21:18.07`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`vim`
`21:18.09`	`zach`	`hi u2self`
`21:18.10`	`distempr`	`OhMyAchinLap: that's it!!!! thank you!`
`21:18.10`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`;)`
`21:18.11`	`zach`	`vim`
`21:18.13`	`zach`	`ok`
`21:18.15`	`k-dog`	`greycat: Not in sid.`
`21:18.26`	`k-dog`	`zach: ??`
`21:18.27`	`u2self`	`can u help me solve my problem?`
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`21:18.30`	`Pappa`	`hm`
`21:18.32`	`k-dog`	`zach: NM.`
`21:18.32`	`Pappa`	`parm: full_duplex:8139too: Force full duplex for board(s) (1) (array of int)`
`21:18.33`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`nano is good if you're new to *nix`
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`21:18.45`	`Pappa`	`how would i set this? (2.6 kernel, /etc/modprobe.conf)`
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`21:19.01`	`OhMyAchinLap`	`distempr, a lot of fluxbox users like torsmo. i prefer a themed gkrellm, and root-tail tailing important logs`
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`21:19.14`	`daww`	`For installation on Nvidia, should I "Use module-assistant. This method is easy and should work for most people, with either a stock or custom kernel." or "Build manually, with a custom kernel. Use this method if you're configuring and building a custom kernel."?`
`21:19.27`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: I would try mii-tool or ethtool instead`
`21:19.28`	`abrotman`	`!u`
`21:19.28`	`dpkg`	`It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not U. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201`
`21:19.41`	`lara`	`How could I check if "/etc/init.d/quota start" is started at bootup?`
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`21:19.48`	`Sjimmie`	`!ne1`
`21:19.48`	`dpkg`	`There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s)`
`21:19.51`	`isam`	`I was on debian unstable, and decided to fallback to "testing" .. I have the packages from testing with a higher "pin" for some time .. but how can I have all the packages in my system fallback to "testing" if available`
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`21:20.02`	`Sjimmie`	`!wud`
`21:20.02`	`dpkg`	`nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun.`
`21:20.02`	`isam`	`I want something like "apt-get -t testing world" :)`
`21:20.17`	`Sjimmie`	`hahahahaha suberb!`
`21:20.25`	`vs_zach`	`what is a gui based text editor`
`21:20.28`	`vs_zach`	`a good one`
`21:20.30`	`paulswm`	`!stupid bot tricks`
`21:20.30`	`dpkg`	`Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really must do it, don't do it here. Use /msg.`
`21:20.32`	`valdyn_`	`!downgrade`
`21:20.32`	`dpkg`	`from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or ...`
`21:20.33`	`vs_zach`	`small`
`21:20.33`	`abrotman`	`vs_zach: lots of them`
`21:20.37`	`vs_zach`	`name one`
`21:20.40`	`valdyn_`	`isam: ^^^^^ read what dpkg said`
`21:20.40`	`abrotman`	`gvim`
`21:20.40`	`vs_zach`	`a small one`
`21:20.44`	`vs_zach`	`gvim`
`21:20.45`	`vs_zach`	`ok`
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`21:21.15`	`isam`	`valdyn_: thanks ..`
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`21:21.27`	`vs_zach`	`name anotehr`
`21:21.28`	`sirex`	`how can i totally remove samba and reinstall it ? i messed it up by removing the config file, i did apt-get remove and install, but the config file isnt regenerated`
`21:21.29`	`vs_zach`	`another`
`21:21.32`	`isam`	`vs_zach: cream`
`21:21.38`	`abrotman`	`sirex: purge it`
`21:21.59`	`daww`	`For building and installing nVidia drivers Nvidia on a custom kernel, should I "Use module-assistant. This method is easy and should work for most people, with either a stock or custom kernel." or "Build manually, with a custom kernel. Use this method if you're configuring and building a custom kernel."?*`
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`21:22.23`	`k-dog`	`sirex: purge`
`21:22.29`	`greycat`	`why would you use a GUI text editor? I really don't get it.`
`21:22.30`	`Pappa`	`still sloer thatn my grandma on valium`
`21:22.33`	`valdyn_`	`sirex: apt-get -P samba-common might be required`
`21:22.38`	`vs_zach`	`this is bullshit`
`21:22.41`	`Pappa`	`350KB/s xfer =/`
`21:22.49`	`valdyn_`	`sirex: apt-get --purge remove samba-common might be required`
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`21:23.09`	`greycat`	`you're hosed if you can't run a text editor on console as root at 4 in the morning when you've been up all night battling a problem, or over a dial-up serial line from home, etc.`
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`21:23.35`	`paulswm`	`Well I would use vim for that, otherwise I prefer gvim`
`21:23.49`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: that problem is way beyond duplex issues`
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`21:24.16`	`greycat`	`if it were duplex, you wouldn't be getting 350 kBytes/s`
`21:24.17`	`Pappa`	`valdyn_: i know but when it was 10mbit half dup it was 11 KB/s`
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`21:24.27`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: 1) electromagnetic echo 2) bugged nic 3) bugged driver`
`21:24.30`	`greycat`	`Pappa: that sounds like a duplex mismatch :)`
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`21:25.14`	`Pappa`	`eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok`
`21:25.14`	`Pappa`	`eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok`
`21:25.20`	`ribnitz`	`Pappa: 11MBytes/sec = 88 MBit/s`
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`21:25.36`	`valdyn_`	`ribnitz: he wrote kb`
`21:25.48`	`Pappa`	`eth1 goes to wan`
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`21:26.02`	`Pappa`	`eth0 to switch and clients`
`21:26.06`	`hcy`	`is there a free AutoCAD imitation out there, made for debian/linux?`
`21:26.09`	`Pappa`	`verri wierd`
`21:26.14`	`Pappa`	`OH i know maybe`
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`21:26.21`	`ribnitz`	`hcy: nope.`
`21:26.24`	`Pappa`	`the cable is squashed`
`21:26.28`	`Pappa`	`between a door`
`21:26.30`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: ive had this due to cable issues, like electromagnetic interference ( im not savy to really explain this ). Try changing cable anyway.`
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`21:26.33`	`Pappa`	`which may cause interference`
`21:26.51`	`hcy`	`ribnitz: nothing close?`
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`21:26.55`	`Pappa`	`yeh i'm just a stupidass i'll drill a hole in the wall tomorrow`
`21:27.02`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: interference should be cable length related`
`21:27.12`	`ribnitz`	`hcy: dia, xfig, depends a bit what you want. probably xfig.`
`21:27.19`	`sirex`	`valdyn_, cheers ill try that`
`21:27.20`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: which by no means said "to long", just "wrong" length`
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`21:27.32`	`Pappa`	`valdyn_: wrong as in.. ?`
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`21:27.58`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: you can try to make and cancel waves in your bathtub to undersstand this`
`21:28.23`	`Pappa`	`then what length should it be?`
`21:28.27`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: wrong as, incidentally intereference canceling out the true signal`
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`21:28.42`	`valdyn_`	`Pappa: just try a different cable`
`21:28.52`	`Seb`	`how can I find out which processes have some mem. in swap ?`
`21:29.03`	`greycat`	`Seb: why?`
`21:29.06`	`debguy`	`hi guys! can somebody tell me where i can fine 2.6 kernel docs?`
`21:29.13`	`greycat`	`!2.6`
`21:29.13`	`hcy`	`ribnitz: actually, i just stumbled on qcad... looks a bit promising - ever try it out? http://qcad.org/`
`21:29.15`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6, or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary`
`21:29.29`	`Seb`	`greycat: just curious, I still have some mem. free, yet some swap is already used`
`21:29.40`	`ribnitz`	`hcy: yep, know it. its far form autocad though (as are all tools).`
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`21:29.52`	`debguy`	`thanks`
`21:29.55`	`sobersabre`	`hello guys.`
`21:30.55`	`Seb`	`greycat: any idea ?`
`21:31.17`	`ribnitz`	`hcy: even packaged (as of sarge)`
`21:31.20`	`greycat`	`Seb: nope.`
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`21:31.40`	`Seb`	`k`
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`21:31.47`	`Pappa`	`well basicly just apt-get install module-init-tools && echo "include /etc/modprobe.d/" > /etc/modprobe.conf`
`21:31.49`	`daww`	`"apt-get -t $NVDIST install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common" doesn't give me /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz it says "nvidia-kernel-source is already the newest version." how can I get it?`
`21:31.50`	`ariel`	`<debguy> you can find them by typing apt-get install kernel-doc-2.6.8`
`21:31.56`	`yoshio`	`debguy: apt-get install kernel-doc-2.6.8`
`21:31.59`	`Pappa`	`then configure, compile and boot :p`
`21:32.06`	`Syrinx`	`Seb: its like that so there is always some memory to call on`
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`21:32.29`	`Syrinx`	`other wise any new data would have to go straight to the hard disk`
`21:32.30`	`valdyn_`	`daww: apt-get -t $NVDIST --reinstall install nvidia-kernel-source`
`21:32.31`	`hcy`	`maybe openoffice draw will do the trick`
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`21:33.30`	`daww`	`valdyn_, thank you`
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`21:34.28`	`baikonur`	`hello`
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`21:34.35`	`valdyn_`	`Seb: if I remember this correctly, then the kernel maintains a usage count for memory pages`
`21:34.44`	`vs_zach`	`hey`
`21:34.49`	`vs_zach`	`what are some good apt sources`
`21:34.58`	`valdyn_`	`Seb: unused stuff makes sense to be swapped out`
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`21:35.06`	`usn`	`hi all`
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`21:35.36`	`j_k`	`vs_zach: lookup www.apt-get.org`
`21:35.55`	`fascineroso`	`dpkg`
`21:35.59`	`fascineroso`	`dpkg, hello`
`21:35.59`	`dpkg`	`niihau, fascineroso`
`21:36.00`	`sobersabre`	`valdyn_, it does... it is done in vm part.`
`21:36.00`	`daww`	`What's the dif. between tar -zxf and tar zxf`
`21:36.04`	`Seb`	`valdyn_: yep, I was just trying to figure out basically what is this unused stuff :)`
`21:36.25`	`valdyn_`	`sobersabre: thanks`
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`21:36.56`	`mrcoyote`	`Yop all`
`21:37.12`	`stew`	`daww: at least on debian, there is no difference`
`21:37.22`	`lara`	`Hello, by setting up quota I got the following error, if its a error: "quotacheck: Old group file not found. Usage will not be substracted." What does this mean ?`
`21:37.29`	`daww`	`stew, Ok`
`21:37.50`	`sobersabre`	`dawg, there's no diff, because _linux_ uses GNU tar`
`21:38.04`	`sobersabre`	`i mean daww`
`21:38.13`	`sobersabre`	`sun use their own tar.`
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`21:38.28`	`sobersabre`	`but u can install gnu tar on sun os too.`
`21:39.58`	`valdyn_`	`Seb: atop shows #SWP per process / thread`
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`21:40.18`	`Seb`	`valdyn_: oooh`
`21:40.32`	`Seb`	`valdyn_: what column is that ?`
`21:40.44`	`runokiab`	How can I do "for i in `ls -1 *.txt`; do NAME=`basename "$i" .txt`; convert.pl $i > $NAME.kvtml; done" recursively so that a converted file is stored in its original folder. If I use `find .` I have all .kvtml files in ./
`21:40.58`	`valdyn_`	`Seb: run it, hit "m" for memory details, 4th column`
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`21:41.17`	`Seb`	`valdyn_: k`
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`21:42.22`	`greycat`	`runokiab: see http://shelldorado.dyndns.org/wiki?BashFaq question #20`
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`21:42.58`	`greycat`	runokiab: also, NEVER EVER use "for i in `ls ...`"
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`21:43.18`	`paulswm`	`top shows swapped, too, with p`
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`21:43.23`	`greycat`	`runokiab: also also, "ls -1" and "ls" are equivalent whenever the output of ls isn't going to a tty. The -1 is not required.`
`21:44.40`	`greycat`	`runokiab: of course, the simple answer to your question is "stop using basename".`
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`21:45.03`	`m0p`	`Woot, I finally have my installation working! ATI 3D drivers are installed, both CD drives have working mount points, and I am about to play Doom 3! celebrates`
`21:45.04`	`greycat`	`convert.pl "$i" > "$i.kvhtml" ought to work just dandy`
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`21:45.26`	`greycat`	`: nice nick.
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`21:46.06`	`runokiab`	greycat: thank you, what's so bad about "for i in `ls ...`"?
`21:46.11`	`sauroon`	`hi`
`21:46.16`	`greycat`	`runokiab: breaks horribly on files with spaces in their names`
`21:46.47`	`sauroon`	`how can I configure the keyboar for type russian characteres?`
`21:47.09`	`jerome`	`good reason to learn about $IFS`
`21:47.16`	`stew`	`sauroon: /msg dpkg keymap`
`21:47.20`	`greycat`	`jerome: http://shelldorado.dyndns.org/wiki?BashFaq #20`
`21:47.24`	`davidcsi`	`hello guys. I have the following problem: I have two computer on the same netowrk, I was able to connect from one to the other perfectly... But I believe that something having to do with antispoofing is going on, i just cant connect either way any-longer! ¿Anyone?`
`21:47.33`	`sauroon`	`tahnk you, I will try....`
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`21:50.17`	`sauroon`	`<stew> this dosn't work :(`
`21:50.20`	`u2self`	`hello, how can i edit fstab without logging in as a root?`
`21:50.41`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: you do not want to do that`
`21:51.16`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: so what are you trying to accomplish?`
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`21:51.17`	`daxxar`	`stew, stalker. :\|`
`21:51.18`	`paulswm`	`u2self: sudo, sudoedit`
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`21:51.39`	`daxxar`	`stew, just realized I actually got help from you at two occasions without realizing it was you. ^_~`
`21:52.02`	`morgajelWork`	`exim4 should normally spit messages to /var/log/mail.*, correct?`
`21:52.06`	`u2self`	`cause i can't get into my linux box and i thought mounting ntfs might be the problem`
`21:52.13`	`u2self`	`so i want to fix that`
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`21:52.53`	`daxxar`	`stew, eh. Nevermind. :o`
`21:53.08`	`daxxar`	`Wrong person, I believe. ;-)`
`21:53.32`	`davidcsi`	`anyone?`
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`21:53.46`	`davidcsi`	`I have the following problem: I have two computer on the same netowrk, I was able to connect from one to the other perfectly... But I believe that something having to do with antispoofing is going on, i just cant connect either way any-longer! ¿Anyone?`
`21:53.53`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: you cant get in as root, but you can as user?`
`21:54.10`	`u2self`	`no, i m thinking of using livecd`
`21:54.29`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: thats a good idea`
`21:54.32`	`daww`	`Is "cd linux; make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image modules_image" the same as "cd linux; make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image"?`
`21:54.34`	`u2self`	`it is stuck in the boot process`
`21:54.43`	`sobersabre`	`davidcsi, antispoofing... that's for sure. you need to revert to spoofing back..`
`21:54.45`	`daww`	`For the module package`
`21:54.50`	`bobbens`	`u2self: it'd probably be best to get knoppix or such and chroot into your normal one`
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`21:55.36`	`chronic1`	`hey guys, whats up`
`21:55.36`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: we have a misconception here? even on the live disk you should require root, but no problem to get it`
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`21:55.53`	`sobersabre`	`davidcsi, can you ping anything from anything ?`
`21:55.56`	`sauroon`	`I have to write something in russian with TeX. How can I install russian keyboard?`
`21:55.59`	`u2self`	`how can i accomplish it?`
`21:56.15`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: accomplish _what_?`
`21:56.26`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, do you work from X or from console ?`
`21:56.27`	`toomboy`	`whats a good torrent client that i can use that works via shell ?`
`21:56.37`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: boot knoppix, let knoppix mount your disks, edit etc/fstab`
`21:56.46`	`davidcsi`	`sobresabre: yes, both computers are connected to the router, which is a hub, and both computers con ping the router`
`21:56.51`	`sobersabre`	`toomboy, there's a good client named "bittorrent client" ... try it.`
`21:56.51`	`u2self`	`bobbens:could u please explain a little more further about chroot, cause i am a beginner in linux`
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`21:57.11`	`sobersabre`	`davidcsi, you have a router or a hub ?`
`21:57.14`	`u2self`	`i did do that but it won't let me edit fstab`
`21:57.22`	`davidcsi`	`sobresabre: router`
`21:57.22`	`u2self`	`cause i don't have the permission`
`21:57.25`	`bobbens`	`u2self: 1: get livecd (i.e: knoppix), 2: log into livecd, 3: mount normal "/" directory, 4: chroot /mnt/<where root directory is> /bin/bash, 5: edit /etc/fstab`
`21:57.29`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: you dont need chroot to edit your fstab`
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`21:57.38`	`valdyn_`	`u2self: log in as root in knoppix`
`21:57.38`	`vs_zach`	`hey`
`21:57.46`	`vs_zach`	`whats some good burning software`
`21:57.54`	`travisat`	`vs_zach: cdrecord`
`21:57.56`	`paulswm`	`u2self: in knoppix you have to do 'su' before you try to edit it. No password required.`
`21:57.59`	`Boris_Javert`	`cdrecord`
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`21:58.00`	`tkooda`	`does woody have gif support in (php4-)gd2?`
`21:58.09`	`u2self`	`ok thx,`
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`21:58.20`	`sobersabre`	`if you can ping router, and cannot ping another computer... do you get "network unreacheable" or "no route to host" or what ?`
`21:58.22`	`u2self`	`i will try it and come back to report u guys`
`21:58.26`	`tkooda`	`..or is gif still patent-encumbered?`
`21:58.28`	`sobersabre`	`if you ping via IP`
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`21:58.51`	`sobersabre`	`tkooda, gif is patented.`
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`21:58.54`	`paulswm`	`Of course GIF has a patent`
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`21:59.11`	`paulswm`	`It's in the LZW compressnio algorithm`
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`21:59.22`	`valdyn_`	`!info gif2png`
`21:59.22`	`tkooda`	`didn't they waive the patent for lzw thou like last june? (or it expired?)`
`21:59.25`	`dpkg`	`gif2png: (GIF -> PNG conversions), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.4.7-4 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 120 kB`
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`21:59.34`	`chronic1`	`on a woody system with dual xeon processors....can you just apt/dpkg to upgrade to 2.6?`
`21:59.37`	`sobersabre`	`paulswm, LZW ... lempel, Ziv and W??? who is W???? ?`
`21:59.39`	`tkooda`	`valdyn_, I need it in an php4 app`
`21:59.41`	`valdyn_`	`tkooda: ^^^^^ its not in non-free`
`21:59.44`	`TheBlueWizard`	`Welch`
`22:00.02`	`travisat`	`chronic1: get the smp one`
`22:00.03`	`valdyn_`	`!info gif2png woody`
`22:00.05`	`paulswm`	`Unisys never have charged AFAIK except for a one time fee for modem manufactureres`
`22:00.08`	`dpkg`	`gif2png: (GIF -> PNG conversions), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.4.2-1 (woody), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 108 kB`
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`22:00.44`	`tkooda`	`valdyn_, I need it in an php4 app. that cmd line util won't work.`
`22:00.45`	`valdyn_`	`tkooda: im seeing if gif support is non-free, doesnt seem to be, i have no idea about php packages specifically, sorry`
`22:00.54`	`sobersabre`	`has anybody been to a dark gnome page ?`
`22:00.57`	`TheBlueWizard`	`LZW patent is expired in USA, but I believe it is not expired yet for worldwide use`
`22:00.57`	`paulswm`	`sobersabre: Welch as in Terry Welch, Unisys hold his patent`
`22:01.00`	`tkooda`	`valdyn_, aah. thanks`
`22:01.12`	`chronic1`	`travisat: figured that much....thanks.....just checking to see if there was one.....i have never used debian before....will the apt install provide kernel sources aswell as a base .config that i can tweak for some custom drivers?`
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`22:01.24`	`davidcsi`	`sobresabre: no, idon't get anything at all`
`22:01.34`	`tkooda`	`TheBlueWizard, that's what I thought.. -wouldn't gif be available for US then?`
`22:01.39`	`sobersabre`	`chronic1, yes.`
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`22:02.06`	`davidcsi`	`sobresabre: on one computer, on the I do get network unreachable`
`22:02.08`	`sobersabre`	`davidcsi, what do you mean "anything at all" ?!?!? no error message ?`
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`22:02.23`	`sauroon`	`<sobersabre> I am in X. I want to install russian keyboar and type with kile`
`22:02.36`	`chronic1`	`sobersabre: is there a separate package for the sources and required headers....i remember that on some flavors of linux you have to get fetch multiple packages to compile (headers, *-dev, etc.)`
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`22:02.40`	`valdyn_`	`chronic1: debians kernel config is in /boot ,kernel-source needs to be installed via apt-get kernel-source-whatever`
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`22:03.13`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, which desktop manager do you use ? gnome/kde/xfce/wm/ ?`
`22:03.22`	`sauroon`	`kde`
`22:03.38`	`valdyn_`	`chronic1: compiling custom modules is easiest done against debians kernel-headers-whatever package(s)`
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`22:04.02`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, there's something with keyboard layouts in "control center" in kde. after you enable it, u can switch.`
`22:04.13`	`chronic1`	`valdyn_: is apt's default source list sufficient for a normal user, or should i go ahead and change mirrors and what not`
`22:04.35`	`sobersabre`	`if you want to switch with alt_shift, you need to enable it via /etc/X11/XF86Config editing.`
`22:04.45`	`chronic1`	`valdyn_: btw, thanks for the help`
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`22:04.53`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, did you find ?`
`22:04.54`	`sauroon`	`I will try...`
`22:04.59`	`valdyn_`	`chronic1: depends on what you are doing usually it makes sense to add contrib and maybe non-free to the deb and deb-src line`
`22:05.19`	`paulswm`	`sobersabre: LZW preloads a phrase table and that's what's patented, IIRC, but LZW implementations are not necessarily the best LZ implementations anyway`
`22:05.38`	`valdyn_`	`chronic1: and then theres mplayer ( /msg dpkg marillat ), beside that debian has almost everything`
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`22:05.52`	`sobersabre`	`paulswm, and all of them are actually huffman idea :-)`
`22:06.00`	`chronic1`	`valdyn_: haha, no need for mplayer or the likes....it is a system for a buddies company`
`22:06.19`	`davidcsi`	`sobresabre: no, no errors, not even timeout on one... on the other "network unreachable"`
`22:06.27`	`chronic1`	`valdyn_: he asked me to come over and help upgrade them to 2.6 from 2.4.....i just remembered little things on my personal box like upgrading the modutils and what not`
`22:06.42`	`chronic1`	`valdyn_: does debian auto-magically take care of that stuff for you?`
`22:06.43`	`sobersabre`	`davidcsi, which "router" do you own ?`
`22:06.47`	`valdyn_`	`chronic1: on woody?`
`22:07.08`	`chronic1`	`valdyn_: yes, he told me he has a debial woody dual xeon system`
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`22:07.20`	`chronic1`	`debian`
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`22:07.32`	`paulswm`	`sobersabre: No, they are disctionary based, huffman is statistically based minimum-redundancy`
`22:07.36`	`valdyn_`	`chronic1: woody doesnt support 2.6, its from 2002.. , though:`
`22:07.40`	`valdyn_`	`!bunk 2.6`
`22:07.40`	`dpkg`	`[bunk 2.6] You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>.`
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`22:08.17`	`tkooda`	`thanks all!`
`22:08.29`	`sauroon`	`<sobersabre> I haven't "control center"`
`22:08.47`	`sobersabre`	`paulswm, huffman is an idea of dictionary. but it is so computation intensive, that there came several other implementations that allowed you control over the way dictionary is created`
`22:08.54`	`sussudio`	`!seen fluffybunnies`
`22:08.54`	`dpkg`	`sussudio: i haven't seen 'fluffybunnies'`
`22:08.54`	`vs_zach`	`i cant mount my cdrom`
`22:08.55`	`ribnitz`	`any ideas when smartmontools will be able to cope with virtual (mapped) scsi devices?`
`22:09.18`	`vs_zach`	`i tried 'mount /media/cdrom0 and cdrom1`
`22:09.27`	`sauroon`	`<sobersabre> sorry, I see it ....`
`22:09.29`	`Boris_Javert`	`vs_zach, whats the error?`
`22:09.39`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, where is your ever seeing eye ?`
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`22:09.47`	`omirix`	`http://awib.ablenet.org:6928 - DJ Omirix broadcasting or Ablenet - THANKYOU`
`22:09.47`	`paulswm`	`sobersabre: huffman is not a dictionary based compression algorithm`
`22:09.53`	`vs_zach`	`Boris_Javert: no medium found`
`22:10.05`	`ribnitz`	`sobersabre: huffman will give you near optimal encoding at the expense of computing time.`
`22:10.21`	`zinx`	`huffman isn't anywhere near optimal :/`
`22:10.28`	`paulswm`	`huffman varies the number of bits to represent a token based on the freuqency of the token in the file`
`22:10.32`	`cafuego`	`omirix: /j #spam - THANKYOU`
`22:10.32`	`chronic1`	`valdyn_: if I change my sources for apt and then upgrade/update will it automatically bring me up-to-date with sarge?`
`22:11.01`	`sobersabre`	`hmm..... paulswm. it is. :) the dictionary is built ( afaik from books and exercises ) dynamically, by running over the data all over the data.`
`22:11.01`	`Boris_Javert`	`vs_zach, How many cd rom drives do you have?`
`22:11.05`	`ribnitz`	`zinx: what is more optimal (for general data, not taking special cases?)`
`22:11.06`	`zinx`	`(it's not all that slow either, if properly implemented)`
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`22:11.12`	`vs_zach`	`a cdrom drive and a burner drive`
`22:11.17`	`zinx`	`ribnitz: for something that has exactly the same purpose: arithmetic coding`
`22:11.35`	`zinx`	`ribnitz: it's exactly like huffman, except more cpu-intensive, and far more optimal`
`22:11.40`	`valdyn_`	`!woody->sarge`
`22:11.48`	`valdyn_`	`!woody-sarge`
`22:11.52`	`sauroon`	`<sobersabre> The "control center" is not usefull`
`22:11.52`	`abrotman`	`valdyn_: /msg`
`22:12.00`	`abrotman`	`!tell valdyn_ about woody->sarge`
`22:12.06`	`abrotman`	`valdyn_: doesn't work in channel`
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`22:12.17`	`valdyn_`	`abrotman: why doesnt it?`
`22:12.18`	`zinx`	`ribnitz: FWIW, huffman isn't general purpose`
`22:12.20`	`abrotman`	`valdyn_: not my bot ..`
`22:12.26`	`Boris_Javert`	`vs_zach, make sure your cd is in the drive related to the device you are trying to mount.`
`22:12.27`	`zinx`	`ribnitz: it has a very specific purpose :/`
`22:12.27`	`paulswm`	`sobersabre: I have told you what huffman is. It is NOT A DICTIONARY BASED ALGORITHM. If you mean that it emits a probability table, that is true of static huffman encoding, but not true of dynamic huffman encoding`
`22:12.33`	`vs_zach`	`Boris_Javert: duh`
`22:12.37`	`vs_zach`	`duhduhduh`
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`22:12.43`	`ribnitz`	`zinx: pointer to that arithmethic thing?`
`22:12.46`	`sauroon`	`<sobersabre> I can only configure the velocity of the keys`
`22:12.59`	`hever`	`Hello "Please stop all programs writing to filesystem or use -m flag to force checking." How could I find out what are these Programs ?`
`22:13.03`	`zinx`	`ribnitz: http://www.google.com/search?q=arithmetic+coding`
`22:13.19`	`cafuego`	`hever: lsof`
`22:13.19`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, you need more magic. go to "regional & accessibility"`
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`22:13.51`	`TheBlueWizard`	`ribnitz: I suggest you read comp.compression FAQ...it is one massive FAQ, and extremely informative, though tiring to read it entirely :)`
`22:13.57`	`zinx`	`ribnitz: arithmetic coding is better because it can assign "fractional bits" to values ;)`
`22:13.58`	`cafuego`	`hever: betetr yet, boot into single-user mode and mount the partition read-only before checking it.`
`22:14.12`	`valdyn_`	`chronic1: /msg dpkg woody->sarge if you didnt do that already. It should work. bunk 2.6 might be easier though.`
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`22:15.04`	`vs_zach`	`Boris_Javert: hello????????????????????????`
`22:15.10`	`paulswm`	`arithmetic coding is still not optimal, though, and it is very slow and memory intensive, and may have patents attached`
`22:15.10`	`humbolt`	`I just checked the system requirements of typo3 since I want to install it on my debian. It states It needs PDFLIB-5.0.1, but I cant find a package libpdf of pdflib in the debian respository. Does anybody know why?`
`22:15.14`	`vs_zach`	`mounting is not working`
`22:15.19`	`fls`	`I downloaded "sarge-i386-netinst.iso" , burned it, booted it, now when I try installing it , it only says the mirror doesn't have the "right" version , I tried stable/test and unstable....on 3-4 different mirrors, it asks if I want to install without kernel modules...do I ? I want latest sarge version confused`
`22:15.19`	`zinx`	`paulswm: i think all the patents have expired`
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`22:15.23`	`Boris_Javert`	`vs_zach, Sorry Got distracted`
`22:15.24`	`humbolt`	`I found a deb somewhere else however`
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`22:15.25`	`sobersabre`	`paulswm, dictionary in huffman context is not something static. it is the collection of expressions apearing in the data. this is what i mean: you run over the data and sign something that repeats with 0. then with 1 then with 11 then with 10 etc.`
`22:15.34`	`zinx`	`paulswm: and for what it does, i believe it is optimal`
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`22:15.44`	`daww`	`Should I do "cd linux; make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image module_image" or "cd linux; make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image" then "make-kpkg module_image"?`
`22:15.45`	`sobersabre`	`i think we argue for nothing :)`
`22:15.52`	`zinx`	`paulswm: it's obviously not going to compress data as well as lz77 or something, but for what it does, it's optimal :/`
`22:15.53`	`vs_zach`	`i need to mount this cd cuz i need to work on a file for school`
`22:15.54`	`TheBlueWizard`	`paulswm: yes there are some patents attached to arithmetic coding (the FAQ I mentioned discusses that in details)`
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`22:16.16`	`sauroon`	`<sobersabre> I don't have this`
`22:16.33`	`paulswm`	`sobersabre: you are misusing terminology. Dictionary based compression is the encoding pf phrases. Huffman encoding is not that. It is, I repeat, not a dictionary based c0ompression algorithm.`
`22:16.34`	`Boris_Javert`	`vs_zach, I can't think of any thing but the basics of checking to make sure your devices match up to your /dev/ mappings.`
`22:16.36`	`paulswm`	`sigh`
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`22:16.41`	`ribnitz`	`sobersabre: there are casses where size(huffman(X)) > size(X)`
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`22:17.12`	`sobersabre`	`ribnitz, yes, if the data is specially designed :)`
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`22:17.24`	`ribnitz`	`sobersabre: it always is.`
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`22:17.37`	`sobersabre`	`anti-huffmannish ?`
`22:17.42`	`hever`	`cafuego, How could I mount my hdd read only ?`
`22:17.52`	`cafuego`	`hever: Reboot into single-user mode.`
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`22:17.59`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, which kde do you use ?`
`22:18.00`	`hever`	`ohh yes`
`22:18.03`	`ribnitz`	`sobersabre: and huffman encodes bytes, not words, and hence is not a dictionary-based encoding..`
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`22:18.18`	`dabreegster`	`Anybody know the readline code for a left/right arrow key? I'm using a plain linux terminal and keyboard driver. I'm trying to make ctrl+left/right arrow be bound to backward-word and forward-word.`
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`22:18.33`	`zinx`	`huffman encodes symbols :/`
`22:18.34`	`sobersabre`	`ribnitz, from what i studied it encodes in whatever units you want.`
`22:18.40`	`cafuego`	`[[A and/or [[B or something`
`22:18.43`	`sobersabre`	`zinx, i agree`
`22:18.47`	`dabreegster`	`the examples in the doc directory didnt work`
`22:18.48`	`daww`	`paulswm, Should I do "cd linux; make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image module_image" or "cd linux; make-kpkg buildpackage -rev custom.1 kernel_image; make-kpkg module_image"?`
`22:18.59`	`sauroon`	`Really I don't know. I have installed the software from a CD of the university of zaragoza`
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`22:19.14`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, i never studied there...`
`22:19.18`	`sobersabre`	`where it is ?`
`22:19.22`	`ribnitz`	`sobersabre: F: X->X..`
`22:19.33`	`hever`	`cafuego, and how could I set quota, that it starts on every boot ?`
`22:19.46`	`sobersabre`	`hever, in fstab`
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`22:20.16`	`sauroon`	`in spain`
`22:20.21`	`sobersabre`	`if you install quota package, and mount a device with usrquota and/or grpquota ...`
`22:20.26`	`hever`	`cafuego, ok I read this in a howto also, to run /etc/init.d/quota start, whats about this ?`
`22:21.20`	`hever`	`cafuego, When I run quotacheck -v -a I got this message: "quotacheck: Old group file not found. Usage will not be substracted."`
`22:21.27`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, is it a debian distro ?`
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`22:22.01`	`ribnitz`	`sobersabre: I guess is a special adaptation of debian to spanish circumstances.`
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`22:22.25`	`ribnitz`	`sauroon: is it that special thing they have around Extremadura?`
`22:22.35`	`paulswm`	`daww: I don't know, and I am unsure why you are asking me specifically`
`22:22.37`	`cafuego`	`hever: Create the quota file, then set quota in the fstab file, then run quotaon.`
`22:22.45`	`sobersabre`	`ribnitz, i think he can write down the standard mirror list in /etc/apt/sources.list and then dist-upgrade to something normal`
`22:22.57`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, do you have a fast connection to the net ?`
`22:23.02`	`ribnitz`	`sobersabre: he is using something normal.`
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`22:23.18`	`sauroon`	`yes, yes, yes`
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`22:23.43`	`sobersabre`	`maybe you need to install kde-utils, kde-admin and kde-i18n-ru package,,,,,`
`22:23.43`	`drp`	`what all packages do I need to run client and server mysql apps`
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`22:23.52`	`Albacker`	`guys, I've just installed beatrix. a debian-like distro. but I cant get my modem working. I've configured the /etc/ppp/peers files and the /etc/ configs like wvdial.conf. but when i do wvdial ppp0. it sais that no dial phone, even thought I can connect to the internet using WinXP. any idea about this ?`
`22:23.53`	`sauroon`	`Do you know Extremadura?`
`22:24.02`	`cafuego`	`drp: mysql-server and mysql-client`
`22:24.07`	`ribnitz`	`drp: mysql-client, mysql-server`
`22:24.09`	`hever`	`cafuego, I do it so...`
`22:24.16`	`hever`	`cafuego, my quota.user is on /`
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`22:24.18`	`cafuego`	`Albacker: debian-like != debian.`
`22:24.25`	`hever`	`cafuego, thats ok ?`
`22:24.29`	`cafuego`	`hever: it seems to want quota.group`
`22:24.30`	`ribnitz`	`sauroon: Heard of it. Never been there myself though.`
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`22:24.33`	`paulswm`	`Albacker: Ask on the Beatrix site, in the BEatrix forums, Beatrix is nothing like debian`
`22:24.35`	`sobersabre`	`sauroon, what are you talking about ?`
`22:24.42`	`hever`	`cafuego, quota.group is also there`
`22:24.53`	`Albacker`	`ok, thanks a lot : cafuego, paulswm.`
`22:25.06`	`cafuego`	`hever: it's obviously not happy about the file.`
`22:25.07`	`sauroon`	`eh?`
`22:25.21`	`ribnitz`	`sauroon: I only made it to Barcelona, to Marbella, and Santander..`
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`22:26.34`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: hey`
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`22:27.39`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: yeh?`
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`22:28.04`	`ali7281`	`i have a di-514 wireless router and i tried to upgrade the firmware, now the router won't work at all.... how do i reset the firmware to an earlier version?`
`22:28.11`	`Bazz`	`why would unrar l file.part2.rar list a bunch of files, but when i unrar x it give file.part2.rar is not a rar archive`
`22:28.21`	`u2self`	`thx all the people who has helped me edit fstab without logging in, now i m on my linux box`
`22:28.27`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: so you want a webcam of the island?`
`22:28.40`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: how would pictures be?`
`22:28.44`	`deadcat`	`u2self: no problem. i tried my best.`
`22:28.50`	`gizmo_`	`want to install rbot on deb-stable. got an error 'require: no such file (LOAD_ERROR). Beside ruby1.8.2 is installed. Any hints what that could mean`
`22:28.57`	`sobersabre`	`ali7281, it is not always possible... can u look at the router and see a little reset button ?`
`22:28.59`	`KasperTech`	`How do I find my graphic card's BusID?`
`22:29.02`	`chronic1`	`in general is sarge just as safe as woody -- security, not sability -- because the packages are updated?`
`22:29.04`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: fine`
`22:29.09`	`sobersabre`	`KasperTech, lspci`
`22:29.10`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: make sure women are on the pictures`
`22:29.13`	`ali7281`	`yes`
`22:29.16`	`KasperTech`	`sobersabre: ok thx`
`22:29.24`	`ali7281`	`sobersabre: but the reset button is only to reset the settings:-(`
`22:29.25`	`sobersabre`	`lspci -vn`
`22:29.27`	`ali7281`	`not the firmware`
`22:29.33`	`ali7281`	`so basically i am f'ed?`
`22:29.40`	`hever`	`cafuego, I created it with touch /quota.group`
`22:29.43`	`sobersabre`	`ali7281, you are answering yourself...`
`22:29.48`	`ali7281`	`:'(`
`22:29.57`	`gizmo_`	`~`
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`22:30.06`	`dabreegster`	`I'm trying to use the bind command to chaneg readline to make the left arrow key produce "foo". I'm typing: bind "_control-v leftarrow_":"foo" where the stuff between the _'s is what I type, not literally.`
`22:30.12`	`sobersabre`	`if something bad happened... you should tell the store your device suddenly stopped working...`
`22:30.17`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: I dotn know if I can guarantee that`
`22:30.22`	`hever`	`cafuego, and the file is empty. but quota.user not. In the fstab I set only userquota, not grpquota...`
`22:30.25`	`ali7281`	`yeah i think i will do that`
`22:30.28`	`dabreegster`	`But when I press any arrow key, the terminal beeps and it shows [A, [B, [C, or [D`
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`22:31.08`	`DanielC`	`Does Debian consider the Creative Commons Attribution license to be a Free license ? I know that GNU does.`
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`22:31.20`	`sobersabre`	`dabreegster, you maybe need to map keys with stty first`
`22:31.22`	`cafuego`	`hever: Then you may need to run the initial scanning thing for it, repquota or wahtever it's called.`
`22:31.31`	`tarzeau`	`jharrison: don't worry. show me :) it's sunny and warm^Whot, right?`
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`22:31.54`	`dabreegster`	`sobersabre: oh, thanks.`
`22:31.54`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: creative commons are not free. gnu says it's free? where?`
`22:31.57`	`KasperTech`	`sobersabre: it says invalid format`
`22:32.00`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: what attribution exactly?`
`22:32.03`	`DanielC`	`http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html`
`22:32.08`	`DanielC`	`Bottom of the list.`
`22:32.10`	`KasperTech`	`lspci says: 000:00:08.0 ??`
`22:32.20`	`DanielC`	`"This is a non-copyleft Free license"`
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`22:32.33`	`jharrison`	`tarzeau: ok`
`22:32.51`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: but that's not for software.`
`22:32.59`	`DanielC`	`I don't want it for software.`
`22:33.05`	`sobersabre`	`dabreegster, do the arrow keys work for normal operation ?`
`22:33.07`	`DanielC`	`I want it for written text.`
`22:33.19`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: what kind of text is it?`
`22:33.21`	`DanielC`	`(and pictures)`
`22:33.21`	`KasperTech`	`what should the BUSID's format be ??`
`22:33.21`	`dabreegster`	`sobersabre: yeah`
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`22:33.31`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: personally i prefer the Artistic License`
`22:33.33`	`DanielC`	`tarzeau: documentation, and pictures`
`22:33.40`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: documentation of what? software?`
`22:33.40`	`dabreegster`	`sobersabre: I'm just trying to make ctrl+left/right arrow do the readline forward/backward-word functions.`
`22:33.49`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: or fairy tales?`
`22:34.03`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: i mean you are asking all this in #debian ...`
`22:34.06`	`sobersabre`	`dabreegster, is it a text-mode console or xterm ?`
`22:34.11`	`DanielC`	`tarzeau: Sadly, my options are very limited. This is documentation for OpenOffice.org, and OOo will only accept either that or the PDL. And I don't like the PDL.`
`22:34.20`	`dabreegster`	`sobersabre: textmode console.`
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`22:34.34`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: why does OOo need to accept your documentation of their software?`
`22:34.43`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: if you write it, you say what license it gets`
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`22:34.56`	`dabreegster`	`sobersabre: Know how to change stty to where the arrow keys won't break, just so that they'll call a readline function? Do I need bind or .inputrc at all?`
`22:34.57`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: use what you like. not what someone else wants you to use`
`22:35.01`	`DanielC`	`tarzeau: I belong to the OOo project.`
`22:35.12`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: quit them`
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`22:35.18`	`DanielC`	`tarzeau: My project writes most of the OOo English documentation.`
`22:35.28`	`DanielC`	`tarzeau: That's a thought :-)`
`22:35.30`	`cafuego`	`DanielC: You can always publish yuor docs on yuor own site and/or povide seperate docs packages.`
`22:35.52`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: nothing is worse than limiting your freedoms`
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`22:36.01`	`DanielC`	`tarzeau: I agree`
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`22:36.43`	`DanielC`	`But I'm interested to know if Debian considers CC-attribution to be non-free for text and images.`
`22:36.47`	`DanielC`	`I can't imagine why it would be.`
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`22:37.04`	`holy_cow`	`hey all`
`22:37.18`	`soccos`	`do I want to load usb_storage to use dvdrecord with a usb drive?`
`22:37.25`	`holy_cow`	`how do i give users access to the gnome cups manager?`
`22:37.37`	`holy_cow`	`root can manage print jobs fine, but when users are prompted for a root pass it doesn't accept it. ideally no pass would be required`
`22:37.41`	`holy_cow`	`any ideas?`
`22:37.50`	`ribnitz`	`soccos: you dont want to use dvdrecord.`
`22:37.57`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: try #debian-devel or #debian-nonfree`
`22:38.03`	`DanielC`	`thanks`
`22:38.05`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: or the mailing list debian-legal`
`22:38.06`	`kreg`	`can MSN audio/video work behind a linux 2.4 NAT?`
`22:38.16`	`soccos`	`ribnitz: what do I want to use?`
`22:38.20`	`DanielC`	`tarzeau: debian-legal@debian.org ?`
`22:38.30`	`tarzeau`	`DanielC: @lists.debian.org i think`
`22:38.34`	`DanielC`	`thanks`
`22:38.38`	`sobersabre`	`how can i know to which package if at all a file belongs ?`
`22:38.43`	`ribnitz`	`soccos: cdrecord-prodvd (non-free, new package twice a year) or growisofs`
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`22:38.57`	`stew`	`sobersabre: if its already installed, dpkg -S if not apt-file search`
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`22:43.46`	`*** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ \| READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts \| Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here \| /msg bots NOT people \| Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian \| Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i \| sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr \| X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg \| Java -> /msg dpkg java \| Spambots? /umode +E; and ask for an operator \|\| if you are using Ubuntu, go to #ubuntu`
`22:43.46`	`holy_cow`	`figfig, its to get rid of the script kiddie l33t factor`
`22:43.46`	`directhex`	`KasperTech, lspci -X`
`22:44.02`	`stew`	`pipeline: mine is running on a p100 which was a trash pick and boots off old camera memory :)`
`22:44.07`	`deadline`	`ribnitz: i dont want to build a complete functioning firewall, its only for a day or 2, to do a sarge netinstall on a 3rd box.`
`22:44.17`	`valdyn_`	`sobersabre: man interfaces`
`22:44.30`	`figfig`	`holy_cow: ie, so that people won't be tricked in installing one package insead of another.`
`22:44.49`	`holy_cow`	`no, it's to prevent lameness`
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`22:44.54`	`hydrogen`	`uhh`
`22:44.58`	`hydrogen`	`I just finished the install`
`22:45.01`	`hydrogen`	`and am trying to boot`
`22:45.02`	`sobersabre`	`valdyn_, i know the syntax. i use broadcom extreme BCM5750 NICs. they refuse to be set with MTU other than 1500`
`22:45.08`	`stew`	`sobersabre: you better make sure your nics and switch(es) support jumbo frames`
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`22:45.12`	`KasperTech`	`thx :)`
`22:45.15`	`ribnitz`	`figfig: imagine some filesystems not distinguishing case.`
`22:45.19`	`hydrogen`	`and lo and behold... the computer diety has informed me that I have a "Grub Hard Disk Error"`
`22:45.30`	`dondelelcaro`	`figfig: sure. There's no explicit limitation, it's primarily so that you have sane names and so that you can distinguish the package name from the version`
`22:45.31`	`stew`	`sobersabre: sounds like they dont...`
`22:45.34`	`figfig`	`ribnitz: I can understand the case issue, but what about underscore?`
`22:45.47`	`hydrogen`	`how might this be fixed?`
`22:46.07`	`dondelelcaro`	`figfig: the underscore is how you tell the difference between the version number and the package name.`
`22:46.08`	`ribnitz`	`figfig: underscores are used with packaging versions.`
`22:46.16`	`ribnitz`	`figfig: so are dashes`
`22:46.23`	`sobersabre`	`stew, and how do i make them to support ? is the bcm5700.ko source open ?`
`22:46.41`	`stew`	`sobersabre: its most likely a hardware limitation, not software`
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`22:46.55`	`ribnitz`	`figfig: htdig_3.2.0b5-5_i386.deb (package is called htdig)`
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`22:47.02`	`figfig`	`too bad.... more work for me. I am converting a tar based package system to deb, and now I have to go through and remove all underscores. Because all the names are cvs files, I have to either lose revision history or physically move files, in which case older versions won't work.`
`22:47.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`FE, liboggflac++0c102_1.1.0-11_i386.deb <-- this is liboggflac++0c102 version 1.1.0 for architecture i386`
`22:47.20`	`sobersabre`	`stew, i don't think that GB transceiver has such limitation. it is probably a stupid driver.`
`22:47.22`	`soccos`	`ribnitz: duh! it was switch to firewire!`
`22:47.27`	`dondelelcaro`	`figfig: what exactly are you doing?`
`22:47.38`	`figfig`	`ribnitz: but oddly, I can use underscores in versions.`
`22:47.39`	`hydrogen`	`...`
`22:47.42`	`ribnitz`	`soccos: those plugs looks so similar.. :)`
`22:47.45`	`hydrogen`	`I kind of need the computer to boot`
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`22:47.56`	`ribnitz`	`figfig: you dont want to.`
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`22:48.10`	`KasperTech`	`anyone see flood plx`
`22:48.18`	`soccos`	`ribnitz: no, it has a switch on the back to select usb/firewire`
`22:48.22`	`stew`	`sobersabre: google for bcm5700 jumbo frames`
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`22:48.27`	`ribnitz`	`soccos: oh :)`
`22:48.28`	`KasperTech`	`PCI:0:8:0 and NV fails :/`
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`22:48.38`	`soccos`	`ribnitz: syslog is going mental now though`
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`22:48.56`	`figfig`	`dondelelcaro: I have some self made distributions (semi self made), and each separate part is stored in a package to speed up installation (ie- the Linux kernel is in a package). I always used tar in the past, but I just changed to deb.`
`22:48.57`	`cafuego`	`KasperTech: You shouldn't be guessing PCI IDs, but just hitting return at that question.`
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`22:49.02`	`ribnitz`	`soccos: see. however, if you can use firewire, will be faster :)`
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`22:49.11`	`Hitriko-Chan`	`WOW a DEBIAN CHAN!!!`
`22:49.17`	`figfig`	`ribnitz: are there tools that search for underscores and break up the name that way?`
`22:49.18`	`Hitriko-Chan`	`i didn't even know`
`22:49.18`	`cafuego`	`AGP tends to invariably be 0:1:0 anyway`
`22:49.20`	`sobersabre`	`stew thanks.`
`22:49.30`	`soccos`	`ribnitz: 'going mental' in a bad way`
`22:49.37`	`KasperTech`	`cafuego: really, how come ?`
`22:49.38`	`Hitriko-Chan`	`the debian release they have now, is it real behind as i hear?`
`22:49.43`	`dondelelcaro`	`figfig: why not change the names? or use symlinks to change the names to something that are sane?`
`22:49.48`	`ribnitz`	`figfig: its just the package name, not the name of individual files.`
`22:49.56`	`dondelelcaro`	`Hitriko-Chan: no, it's the same as it's always been when it was released.`
`22:50.26`	`soccos`	`ribnitz: hmm, maybe that's 'usb verbose'`
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`22:51.00`	`ribnitz`	`soccos: you asked for it. dont blame me if IU tell you about every bit I transferred. .`
`22:51.37`	`figfig`	`dondelelcaro: I am using directory names as package names. I have some underscores already. My two choices are to rename the files by deleting and remaking them, but then I lose cvs revision history, or I can physically move them in the repository, but then old checkouts will break.`
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`22:52.11`	`figfig`	`ribnitz: I suppose I could stop naming packages after the directory names.`
`22:52.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`figfig: yes, or you can choose option 3, and keep the names, but actually build the packages in a symlink to the real directory with a sane name`
`22:52.22`	`soccos`	`ribnitz: any way to swtich it off without recompiling the kernel?`
`22:52.30`	`hydrogen`	`what would cause a Grub Hard disk error?`
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`22:55.50`	`valdyn_`	`icebalm: the linux26 kernel on sarges in stall disk does`
`22:56.01`	`icebalm`	`valdyn_: thanks`
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`22:56.31`	`figfig`	`dondelelcaro and ribnitz: thanks for the information.`
`22:56.44`	`roadrunner_gs`	`good day`
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`22:57.06`	`Kralizec`	`hi`
`22:57.24`	`icebalm`	`burning the sarge iso now :D`
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`22:57.41`	`Kralizec`	`why isn't acmkdir (supposedly a part of autotools) in debian?`
`22:58.01`	`sussudio`	`!why is acmkdir not in testing`
`22:58.02`	`dpkg`	`acmkdir is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=acmkdir`
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`22:58.54`	`Kralizec`	`er...`
`22:59.00`	`Kralizec`	`it's not in debian at all`
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`23:00.38`	`davidcsi`	`sobersabre: sorry, i had to go... I have a Zyxel 650 something`
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`23:01.23`	`kreg`	`anyone mind if i test a file send via dcc?`
`23:01.28`	`schuler`	`hi pearl`
`23:01.56`	`roadrunner_gs`	`so hy again`
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`23:02.28`	`davidcsi`	`anyone knows how to flush the arp cache?`
`23:02.33`	`ixi`	`I can't kill a process with kill -s 9, what can I do next?`
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`23:02.54`	`EvanCarroll`	`davidcsi: apt-get clean?`
`23:03.03`	`davidcsi`	`arp clean`
`23:03.17`	`davidcsi`	`no`
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`23:03.26`	`EvanCarroll`	`oh arp`
`23:03.29`	`EvanCarroll`	`hrm`
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`23:04.10`	`Thanateremesis`	`is posible to "apt-get install xserver-xfree" and NO shows the configuration options? (dialog)`
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`23:04.47`	`Agrajag-`	`hey all, i want to convert thunderbird users using pop to imap - thunderbird stores it's mail in mbox, so all i need is a mbox -> maildir converter. any ideas?`
`23:04.49`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: why would you want to do that? you want an unconfigured x server?`
`23:04.52`	`roadrunner_gs`	`i have a particular problem: i installed a sarge with 2.6.8-2-686 on my IBM X24 and it works fine but i don't have any ACPI-support in this`
`23:04.52`	`roadrunner_gs`	`when building own kernel with ACPI in it i ever get error-messages when i want to start a terminal-session in kde "path not found"`
`23:04.52`	`roadrunner_gs`	`Any ideas?`
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`23:05.32`	`davidcsi`	`anyone knows how to flush the arp cache?`
`23:05.48`	`Thanateremesis`	`yes jim`
`23:05.50`	`sobersabre`	`davidcsi, ifconfig ethX down.`
`23:05.57`	`Fleck`	`anyone knows soft like MathCad in Linux ?`
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`23:06.03`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: then download and unpack`
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`23:06.10`	`Thanateremesis`	`mmmh`
`23:06.12`	`Thanateremesis`	`no posible`
`23:06.14`	`holy_cow`	`does anyone know how to give regular users access to gnome cups manager so they can add/delete printers and print jobs them selves?`
`23:06.18`	`jim`	`yes it is :P`
`23:06.19`	`ixi`	`How to kill a process if KILL doesn't work?`
`23:06.24`	`davidcsi`	`sobresabre: have you given any thoughts to my problem?`
`23:06.32`	`sobersabre`	`Fleck, Matlab, yes, MAple, yes, Mathematica - yes. what is "MathCad" ?`
`23:06.32`	`mrhemlock`	`Fleck, grass kinda`
`23:06.32`	`jim`	`man dpkg / man apt-get`
`23:06.33`	`tarzeau`	`ixi: what process is it, what user are you?`
`23:06.35`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: send sigterm`
`23:06.38`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: it always work`
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`23:06.42`	`Thanateremesis`	`I need to "the system" to believe "are installed and configured" jim`
`23:06.50`	`ixi`	`tarzeau: xmms hangs`
`23:06.50`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: kill -s 9 <pid>`
`23:06.53`	`Fleck`	`mrhemlock ?`
`23:07.02`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: doesnt kill`
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`23:07.11`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: what EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish?`
`23:07.13`	`roadrunner_gs`	`oh and with the build-kernel eth0 isn't working either despite the eepro-driver built into the kernel.`
`23:07.13`	`roadrunner_gs`	`makes me sad`
`23:07.17`	`jim`	`why?`
`23:07.19`	`mrhemlock`	`Fleck, package name is "grass"`
`23:07.30`	`Fleck`	`ohh`
`23:07.32`	`ixi`	`tarzeau: or rather xmms just hanged`
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`23:07.33`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: if s9 'doesn't kill' then your using the wrong pid`
`23:07.33`	`Fleck`	`thanks ;)`
`23:07.55`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: false`
`23:08.11`	`mrhemlock`	`Fleck, sorry wrong name not sure what right one was sorry`
`23:08.16`	`directhex`	`or you have a zombie loose. BRAIIIIIINNNSSS`
`23:08.16`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: Nothing can refuse an S9 signal it instructs the kernel, not the process`
`23:08.18`	`davidcsi`	`ixi: resstart X`
`23:08.32`	`ixi`	`davidcsi: looks like the only solution :(`
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`23:08.46`	`jim`	`if you want to not be asked questions, then you would tell debconf to use "noninteractive" as interface`
`23:08.48`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: really? and what if parent doesn't exits?`
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`23:09.07`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: a zombie process is already dead`
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`23:09.17`	`Fleck`	`mrhemlock :(`
`23:09.33`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: it doesn't matter if parent doesn't exist, it will kill it, and parent might die in result`
`23:09.44`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: ok. but I can't run another xmms`
`23:09.48`	`davidcsi`	`ixi: try killing PPID it sounds logical`
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`23:10.03`	`ixi`	`davidcsi: ppid doesn't exits as I said :(`
`23:10.11`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: case and pont, if you kill a childprocess of apache, apache will either spawn another child or die with error`
`23:10.15`	`gilles`	`Is there a vga=xxx code I could set in the grub config so that I could have a resolution of 1280x800 for my large screen ?`
`23:10.21`	`davidcsi`	`kill X`
`23:10.24`	`sorcre`	`I can't seem to start KDE. when i boot it, the log in screen shows okay. but when it's starting it crashes at the perihables part.`
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`23:11.01`	r3z``	`How do you add a message to the login screen for ssh?`
`23:11.02`	`alexscott`	`plop`
`23:11.08`	r3z``	`I thought it was /etc/issue but its not`
`23:11.12`	`sorcre`	`I can't seem to start KDE. when i boot it, the log in screen shows okay. but when it's starting it crashes at the perihables part. any help?`
`23:11.26`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: what is your conclusion? What can I do in this case?`
`23:11.29`	`Thanateremesis`	`jim, I need to create an good instalator of debian in the system for an liveCD project, Im use debootstrap, and Im like to are all automatically, I need to install a .deb packages and NO configure this, the configuration are only for Elive project`
`23:11.36`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: If you can't run another xmms, then you might have a hanging lock file or xmms might need to clean something up before it dies`
`23:11.37`	`shingouz_`	r3z`` motd at least does it
`23:11.40`	`schuler`	r3z``: /etc/motd
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`23:11.47`	r3z``	`That does it after you login`
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`23:11.51`	r3z``	`I am talking at the login prompt`
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`23:12.16`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: an s 9 signal won't allow the program to to deconstruct or clean up any mess it has made, i would try to launch xmms in console that way you can read stderr`
`23:12.31`	`shingouz_`	`r3z i'm stumped :(`
`23:12.38`	`petemc`	`r3z: man sshd_config, look for banner`
`23:12.42`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: ok, thanks, I'll try`
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`23:12.54`	`r3z`	`Ahh banner`
`23:12.55`	`r3z`	`:)`
`23:12.58`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: either that or redirect stderr, 'xmms 2> xmms.err'`
`23:12.58`	`r3z`	`let me check that out`
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`23:13.22`	`vs_zach`	`i am having problems with apt`
`23:13.26`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: ok, so why not have packages unconfigured and have the configuration happen at runtime? hmm, disadvantage there, is either need some disk space or else must reconfigure every time...`
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`23:13.56`	`vs_zach`	`i edited /etc/apt/sources.list with deb http://www.linex.org/sources/linex/debian and now it dont work`
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`23:14.13`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: are you restricting to only one video card -AND- only one display type/size?`
`23:14.14`	`digital_`	`gn :)`
`23:14.17`	`vs_zach`	`it says E: Malformed line 4 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)`
`23:14.17`	`vs_zach`	`E: The list of sources could not be read.`
`23:14.23`	`Ronin`	`well i hopw you didn't spell it linex vs_zach for one thing`
`23:14.32`	`EvanCarroll`	`vs_zach: thats because you rformat is wrong`
`23:14.38`	`vs_zach`	`huh`
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`23:14.39`	`davidcsi`	`I have two computer on the same netowrk, I was able to connect from one to the other perfectly... But I believe that something having to do with antispoofing is going on, i just cant connect either way anylonger! ¿Anyone?`
`23:14.40`	`vs_zach`	`rformat?`
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`23:14.41`	`green_earz`	`vs_zach: use apt-setup to pick a debian mirror`
`23:14.43`	`Thanateremesis`	`no jim, in my project Im use the "autodetection system"`
`23:14.47`	`EvanCarroll`	`vs_zach: you need a list of folders for apt to scan after the url`
`23:14.52`	`r3z`	`hrm issue.net gives it to you after you type a user is there a way to do it before they even enter a user`
`23:15.03`	`vs_zach`	`what do u mean evan`
`23:15.10`	`Thanateremesis`	`jim, only one similar option "apt-get install --no-configure xserver-xfree86"`
`23:15.12`	`Thanateremesis`	`exists? hehe`
`23:15.14`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: It looks you are right about locks - I can run xmms under another user, so it is user specific. But xmms 2&>1 still outputs nothing`
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`23:15.22`	`EvanCarroll`	`vs_zach: yes use apt-config if you don't know how to add a source`
`23:15.35`	`shingouz_`	`vs_zach typo evidently: "your format"`
`23:15.35`	`prop32`	`Is there any way to transfer a directory tree using ftp?`
`23:15.41`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: ok, so what if you build an interface for debconf that talks to the autodetection system?`
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`23:16.20`	`jim`	`then, you leave packages unconfigured, the autodetect runs first, builds database, and then you configure`
`23:16.21`	`prop32`	`I am trying to transfer files from an old slackware computer`
`23:16.27`	`borius`	`Is there an app that takes an image file and outputs one of those neat ASCII graphics? preferably in color`
`23:16.42`	`sobersabre`	`prop32, there's an invention: sftp`
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`23:17.00`	`prop32`	`Does sftp have to be on the remote machine?`
`23:17.05`	`girx`	`vs_zach, apt-setup is more simple`
`23:17.08`	`shingouz_`	`prop32 scp`
`23:17.20`	`prop32`	`I dont feel like doing a bunch of crap to the old machine except grab the files.`
`23:17.26`	`jim`	`the configure process uses debconf which uses autodetector to pull in configuration... walla, system configures itself`
`23:17.39`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: in an event like this the possiblities could be endless, it could be xmms is failing with sound daemon because it already has a handle allocated to an xmms process, im not sure how all that works or have any idea what the problem is to be quite honest just guessing if xmms 2&>1 doesn't output anything to stdout then i would say its a bug in xmms, unless xmms is refusing to start at a lower level`
`23:17.45`	`kuribas`	`Can anyone help me out? .Xmodmap used to be read automatically, but it doesn't anymore. Is there a way to let it be read again?`
`23:17.53`	`davidcsi`	`prop32: why don't you zip the directory and then transfer it`
`23:18.08`	`Thanateremesis`	`jim im test to configure "priority low" in debconf and after change a "normal"`
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`23:18.46`	`prop32`	`Or almost full`
`23:18.53`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: look at the -interface- parameter, not the -priority- parameter of debconf`
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`23:19.05`	`prop32`	`I was hoping to use ftp.`
`23:19.14`	`davidcsi`	`prop32: use sftp`
`23:19.53`	`green_earz`	`borius: hava a look at bb it may be of help ?`
`23:20.04`	`prop32`	`sftp wont work, remote machien doesnt have ssh`
`23:20.10`	`jim`	`you have my take, and some ideas of how you might proceed... good luck.`
`23:20.12`	`prop32`	`Else I would use rsync`
`23:20.20`	`davidcsi`	`does it has samba?`
`23:20.21`	`green_earz`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`23:20.27`	`prop32`	`It has samba`
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`23:20.39`	`prop32`	`But I ran into file permission problems with Samba`
`23:20.56`	`prop32`	`Is there a way to do it with Samba`
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`23:21.11`	`jim`	`sure... if you have the right drums`
`23:21.12`	`Razza`	`I'm trying to load a module at boot time (ivtv-fb)- where do I tell debian to load it? Ideally I'd like it to load when the ivtv module loads`
`23:21.13`	`EvanCarroll`	`!tell sorcre about debian-kde`
`23:21.25`	`davidcsi`	`then open up the directory with a share and mount it on the local machine, mount the share with the option uid=[your user id]`
`23:21.26`	`prop32`	`I could chown the whole home directory`
`23:21.26`	`figfig`	`ribnitz: upon your suggestion I am also converting the underscores in the version to -, but dpkg-deb doesn't seem to like that.... Is it also a rule that no _ or - should be in a version?`
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`23:21.36`	`ixi`	`EvanCarroll: thanks for explanations`
`23:21.54`	`EvanCarroll`	`ixi: no problem, glad to help`
`23:21.58`	`JeffWilson12`	`Hmm...Totem seems to be able to play WMA format files; anyone know if there is any way, _at all_ to make XMMS play these Microsoft format files? a plugin for xmms maybe?`
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`23:22.13`	`davidcsi`	`prop32: right`
`23:22.26`	`Thanateremesis`	`interface? ok jim... how are this? in a configuration file? /etc/debconf.conf this not have a "interface" line`
`23:22.36`	`hdo781`	`When Sarge becomes stable, will I be using the Sarge repository or the testing repository in sources.list?`
`23:22.50`	`prop32`	`Is there a way for Samba to allow read of whole disk?`
`23:22.53`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: dpkg-reconfigure debconf`
`23:23.08`	`kuribas`	`How can I make .Xmodmap to be read automatically?`
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`23:23.11`	sgeigerb`	`While it is pretty well-known who provide the best security training (Sans, blackhat) I don't hear such well-known names in the general linux sysadmin training area. Which ones have you guys heard of?`
`23:23.22`	`prock`	`gah! kernel-package does not depend on module-init-tools!!!!!!!!111one`
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`23:23.40`	`jim`	`prock: why should it? it's building a package`
`23:23.52`	`Thanateremesis`	`jumm... jim I need this configuration insert directly for the "automatic instalation system"`
`23:23.59`	`Thanateremesis`	`not are interactive`
`23:24.01`	sgeigerb`	`prock: which kernel? to build a 2.6 kernel, you need it.`
`23:24.05`	`Thanateremesis`	`is a automatized instalation`
`23:24.09`	`prock`	`jim: well something should depend on it`
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`23:24.18`	`shingouz_`	`prop32 why not just tar the files you need up into one big file and scp them to another computer`
`23:24.22`	`jim`	`it's a BUILD tool, it doesn't need module utils to BUILD a kernel image package`
`23:24.30`	`green_earz`	`Razza: the link may have the info you need > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html`
`23:24.33`	`prop32`	`Lack of space on the disk`
`23:24.35`	`jim`	`the resulting package should depend.`
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`23:24.48`	`EvanCarroll`	`kuribas: a nasty solution would be to 'echo xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap >> ~/.xsession'`
`23:24.51`	`kaber1`	`hey`
`23:24.56`	`prock`	`jim: it's a KERNEL BUILD tool... and I can't imagine too many instances where I'd want to build a kernel without any modules`
`23:25.16`	`shingouz_`	`prop32 can you mount something onto the old computer with nfs or samba, tar the stuff into the mounted remote drive`
`23:25.18`	`jim`	`"where I'd want" key words.`
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`23:25.21`	`prop32`	`Kernel building needs the compilere`
`23:25.28`	`prop32`	`that is it`
`23:25.32`	`jim`	`anyways, argue with manoj`
`23:25.56`	`kuribas`	`EvanCarroll: Ok. It used to work automatically, but they changed something.`
`23:26.16`	`jim`	`prock: say you build a kernel-image package on one machine, and install it on another`
`23:26.18`	`EvanCarroll`	`kuribas: not sure who the they is or what the they changed`
`23:26.28`	`EvanCarroll`	`kuribas: but that should get it working again`
`23:26.35`	`jim`	`which machine needs module-init-tools NOW?`
`23:27.02`	`kreg`	`does 2.6 or 2.4 natively have Upnp support for NAT?`
`23:27.33`	`kaber1`	`do you have to enable RAID in teh bios ?`
`23:27.39`	`kaber1`	`cause i'm having some probelmwith megaraid`
`23:27.44`	`prock`	`jim: ok... then a 'make-kpkg kernel_image' should have module-init-tools in the Depends`
`23:27.48`	`jim`	`kreg: perhaps the (kernel source tree)/Documentation/ dir would have info on that`
`23:27.51`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 hardwareraid?`
`23:27.55`	`kuribas`	`EvanCarroll: The maintainers of the package that used to invoke xmodmap (XFree?). Don't know what they changed. Let's hope it works!`
`23:28.03`	`kaber1`	`yea`
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`23:28.14`	`kaber1`	`just received a dell 2850 server`
`23:29.02`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 you need to get the configuration utility for the specific controller, install the drives drives physically and then configure the array to your liking before it is useable`
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`23:29.20`	`jim`	`prock: yeah, the resulting package should have the depend... and then only if there are modules built in the image`
`23:29.42`	`kaber1`	`k`
`23:29.43`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 in that case, mosey on over to the dell site and get all the information on the server you can. especially how to configure the raid array on it`
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`23:30.03`	`jim`	`prock: but how would kernel-package know to do that? it would have to have a list of kernels and for each, a list of depends, possibly versioned`
`23:30.06`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 old servers can be balky but they are lot of fun once you get them runing`
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`23:30.17`	`kaber1`	`this is brand new one`
`23:30.17`	`kaber1`	`just got it in from dell today`
`23:30.37`	`cafuego`	`shingouz_: The problem with servers like that. Compaq mainly, but Dell to a lesser extent, is that they tend to use nonstandard raid hardware. Very shitty.`
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`23:31.00`	`kaber1`	`poweredge expandeable radi controller`
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`23:31.05`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 ah... in that case you ust might want to check out the docs first. then use the configuration utility to configure the array, then try installing debian onto it`
`23:31.08`	`cafuego`	`kaber1: I rest my case.`
`23:31.20`	`cafuego`	`kaber1: 'Poweredge' is a Dell brand name. not a controller.`
`23:31.28`	`shingouz_`	`cafuego i have heard some horroro stories (and have a few of my own ;)`
`23:31.57`	`kaber1`	`hmm`
`23:31.59`	`shingouz_`	`(damn it is hard to type on a laptop)`
`23:32.04`	`kaber1`	`so just go through all the RAID docs on dell's site ?`
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`23:32.24`	`mls`	`I've got an old machine with 16 megs of RAM. THe installer balks and says it needs at least 22 megs.`
`23:32.25`	`daww`	Hmm, When root run "xmms" I get "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!" why
`23:32.28`	`daww`	`?`
`23:32.36`	`petemc`	`kaber1: often times the dell comes with the raid set up, all you need to do is use an install cd that has the right drivers`
`23:32.38`	`cafuego`	`kaber1: I submit google with be a better place to start. say google://linux+controllermodel+dellmodel`
`23:32.47`	`mls`	`I was thinking I could maybe break out somehow and create a swap file to make it happy`
`23:32.47`	`petemc`	`kaber1: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers`
`23:32.59`	`cafuego`	`shingouz_: You better thank me for that.`
`23:33.13`	`shingouz_`	`thank you, cafuego ;)`
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`23:33.27`	`kaber1`	`aite thanks petemc`
`23:33.47`	`petemc`	`all the poweredges ive bought did`
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`23:34.10`	`kaber1`	`holy crap. this iso is only 6 mb`
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`23:34.33`	`green_earz`	`daww: have a look at apt-cache search libmikmod the dev may be the one you want ?`
`23:34.36`	`petemc`	`kaber1: yeah, it doesnt have the base, it has all you need to get up and running and grab the rest off the net`
`23:34.40`	`FarrisG`	`If I chmod a directory 775 and add two people to the group that owns the folder, how do I ensure that those two people will have rwx access to all files within that folder unless explicitly chmodded?`
`23:34.44`	`jim`	`kaber1: seems like a blank cd would be a waste for that :)`
`23:35.12`	`jim`	`FarrisG: chmod files appropriately.`
`23:35.30`	`jim`	`FarrisG: why would they need x access on a file?`
`23:35.41`	`green_earz`	`daww: or libmikmod2`
`23:35.45`	`kaber1`	`true`
`23:36.05`	`FarrisG`	`jim: Why wouldn't they if they own the files???`
`23:36.24`	`daww`	`green_earz, Hmm, XMMS worked 1 minutes ago (before I was installing modules for nvidia)`
`23:36.25`	`jim`	`FarrisG: should all files be executable?`
`23:36.47`	`jim`	`FarrisG: and if so, why?`
`23:36.57`	`green_earz`	`daww: thats it after nvidia had the same here`
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`23:37.09`	`FarrisG`	`jim: yes, because many of them are executable files.`
`23:37.19`	`FarrisG`	`jim: Or rather, files that should be executable`
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`23:37.29`	`kaber1`	`hwo many drives do most o fyou run on raid 5 ?`
`23:37.32`	`FarrisG`	`jim: However, the important part is rw`
`23:37.38`	`jim`	`FarrisG: so MANY of them should be +x. The rest shoudl be -x`
`23:37.54`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 iirc three is the minimum`
`23:37.55`	`daww`	`green_earz, Did you have the same problem with xmms after fixing with nvidia modules?`
`23:38.00`	`FarrisG`	`jim: How astute`
`23:38.04`	`jim`	`the guys in the group can chmod`
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`23:38.10`	`kaber1`	`yea, that's how jmany i have`
`23:38.26`	`jim`	`they just cannot chown`
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`23:38.44`	`green_earz`	`daww: yes and the i installed one of the two apt-cache search libmikmod which one ?`
`23:38.47`	`FarrisG`	`jim: No, the guys in the group can't chmod, because they don't have shell access, they're accessing the directories through samba shares on a windows box`
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`23:39.00`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 you might want to have a hot spare there too. make it four drives in real life for raid5`
`23:39.16`	`jim`	`FarrisG: in that case the unix permission system doesn't make sense.`
`23:39.16`	`kaber1`	`ext2 or ext3 ?`
`23:39.23`	`vladster`	`where do you disable the screensaver from coming on so a movie can be watched witout interuption`
`23:39.23`	`kaber1`	`yea, i think i'm gonna order another one`
`23:39.29`	`kaber1`	`i'll stick wtih traditional`
`23:39.32`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 the filesystem is irrelevant, whatever ou like`
`23:39.43`	`kaber1`	`k`
`23:39.58`	`vladster`	`I use reaiter and ext3`
`23:40.01`	`semwait`	`vladster, xset, many modern palyers automatically stops screensave while playing though`
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`23:40.03`	`vladster`	`feiser`
`23:40.18`	`daww`	`green_earz, So you mean that I just need to install "apt-get install libmikmod2" to make xmms work again?`
`23:40.18`	`jjazz`	`I happen to have a spare box and a bunch of CDR drives. A friend has asked me to turn them into a cd-duplicator. Is there an app that will burn an iso to multiple drives? Will K3B do this?`
`23:40.18`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 from the kernels point of view ther is no raid, just one simple disk`
`23:40.21`	`vladster`	`mplayer does not`
`23:40.26`	`EvanCarroll`	`reaiter feiser? i've only heard of reiser`
`23:40.40`	`EvanCarroll`	`must be a new super advanced file system`
`23:40.44`	`vladster`	`not unless there is a setting in mplayer I am not familiar with`
`23:40.58`	`kaber1`	`i'm gonna run ext3, i remebmer ext2 u had to wait around a logn time to verifify the blocks`
`23:41.03`	`vladster`	`tpyos`
`23:41.04`	`jim`	`is reiser actively maintained?`
`23:41.08`	`semwait`	`vladster, I don't know about mplayer actually`
`23:41.08`	`shingouz_`	`vladster mplayer can be configured to stop the screensaver. mplayer.conf has a setting for it`
`23:41.09`	`vladster`	`yes`
`23:41.10`	`kaber1`	`shingouz: RAID is pretty neat tech :)`
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`23:41.18`	`EvanCarroll`	`jim: reiser 4 is`
`23:41.24`	`shingouz_`	`kaber1 i know, i love hardware raid`
`23:41.57`	`shingouz_`	`hmmm.... now if i would just be able to find a hotswap scsi hardware raid for this laptop ;)`
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`23:42.30`	`daww`	`green_earz, dammit =), it work now`
`23:42.40`	`jim`	`shingouz_: first you'd need a scsi laptop...`
`23:42.45`	`tosh`	`does anyone have any experience with properly displaying japanese in his/her firefox?`
`23:42.53`	`daww`	`green_earz, funny, why did nvidia messed up with xmms do you think?`
`23:42.55`	`jjazz`	`jim: I've done it`
`23:42.56`	`kaber1`	`aite, i go install a base system, i select cdrom -> list`
`23:43.04`	`kaber1`	`goes coudln't fidn any directory`
`23:43.05`	`shingouz_`	`jim with a raid controller...`
`23:43.12`	`jjazz`	`jim: er... wrong nick. sorry`
`23:43.13`	`jim`	`jjazz: doen what?`
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`23:43.22`	`jjazz`	`tosh: I've done it.`
`23:43.38`	`Vantage`	`is there a way to ssh -X into a machine and pull up a Desktop like VNC?`
`23:43.50`	`jim`	`shingouz_: or a 3ware sata controlller and a breakout box`
`23:43.55`	`petemc`	`kaber1: as i said, it doesnt have the base system on the cd`
`23:44.14`	`petemc`	`Vantage: use rfb or vino`
`23:44.17`	`kaber1`	`do you nkow the cmomand to get the base system ?`
`23:44.22`	`stew`	`Vantage: you could use xnest over ssh -X`
`23:44.29`	`kaber1`	`oh wait, i use the base cd, and then i click add modules and pop this cd in there ?`
`23:44.33`	`kaber1`	`extra sources ?`
`23:44.35`	`paulswm`	`Vantage: Yes, I use x11vnc and tightvnc to do that, see http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/`
`23:44.35`	`shingouz_`	`jim that would not be scsi (besides i was kidding about the hotswap scsi raid on a laptop )`
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`23:44.44`	`jjazz`	`tosh try apt-get install ttf-kochi-gothic and then restart your browser`
`23:44.50`	`petemc`	`kaber1: time for a read of the woody install guide`
`23:44.58`	`jjazz`	`tosh: IIRC, that's the key`
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`23:45.12`	`jim`	`shingouz_: but are there scsi laptops?`
`23:45.24`	`vladster`	`shingouz_: I can't find the entry`
`23:45.39`	`tosh`	`jjazz lemme try that`
`23:45.43`	`jim`	`that have an external 68 and/or 80 pin socket`
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`23:45.52`	`shingouz_`	`jim at least the older apples were such things and IBM made a few thinkpads with a PPC processor that came with scsi`
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`23:46.14`	`yoshio`	`jjazz: I have both ttf-kochi-gothic and ttf-kochi-mincho, but still see some boxes instead fo characters`
`23:46.14`	`jim`	`thinkpads are too expensive`
`23:46.19`	`shingouz_`	`jim scsi and scsi raid are two different animals in anycase`
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`23:46.31`	`petemc`	`paulswm: mm, that written to replace rfb, is it good?`
`23:46.35`	`BrianAnthony`	`how do I add a user?`
`23:46.46`	`kenboo`	`adduser`
`23:46.51`	`jim`	`BrianAnthony man adduser ; man useradd`
`23:47.03`	`petemc`	`dont bother with useradd`
`23:47.06`	`tosh`	`jjazz omg, that worked :) I tried everything, thnx man`
`23:47.14`	`jjazz`	`tosh: :)`
`23:47.42`	`shingouz_`	`time for caffeine or i will invent the IBM frisbee`
`23:47.43`	`jim`	`useradd is the lower level tool... adduser is the interactive tool`
`23:47.51`	`jjazz`	`yoshio: You can select the encoding from the view menu. Select Japanese or euc-jp or utf-8, as appropriate. That might help.`
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`23:47.57`	`zOOz`	`hi, how to drop skype's traffic? now skype traffic flows through 443/tcp port.`
`23:47.57`	`jim`	`useradd is command line parameters`
`23:48.08`	`Vantage`	`thanks`
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`23:48.10`	`sobersabre`	`bye all`
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`23:48.45`	`Thanateremesis`	`how to works "the noninteractive mode" in debconf ? wich works with the non-interactive one`
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`23:49.02`	`paulswm`	`petemc: It works well, and doesn't seem to hit bandwith very hard, I use it like this: From work, use putty -> http proxy server -> home box, execute x11vnc, then execute tightvnc on my work XP machine. You need to forward the 5900 port, but that's easy to do with putty. Works greatm there are full instructions on the link.`
`23:49.16`	`petemc`	`zOOz: at a guess, like kazaa, skype must try and use any open port, i use ftwall to block kazaa, it may not work with skype tho`
`23:49.30`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: dpkg-reconfigure debconf`
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`23:49.41`	`holycow`	`hmmm`
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`23:50.18`	`holycow`	`has anyone managed to allow non root users to use the gnome-cups-manager without having to type in a password?`
`23:50.28`	`Thanateremesis`	`yes jim, my question is, if debconf runs in non-interactive mode... what are the configurator of debian-packages? only not have?`
`23:50.30`	`petemc`	`paulswm: ive already allow vnc connections coming from my machine through the firewall, i might look into it, cheers`
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`23:50.45`	`shingouz_`	`z00z i thinkk i saw a mention on slashdot about someone having actually dissected the skype protocol and that the white paper should be somewhere out there on the net`
`23:50.50`	`michal_`	`hi.. at my work the boss insists that everyone use a shared "admin" account and they su to root from that whenever doing any maintanence.. Is it just me or is this a BAD way of doing things? Is there any online sources of information from reputable sources that I could reference as proof that this is bad? Or am I wrong?`
`23:50.58`	`zOOz`	`petemc, before skype went through 80/tcp, but now i installed squid so skype stopped going through 80/tcp, now - 443/tcp`
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`23:50.59`	`paulswm`	`petemc: I only allow the ssh port thought the firewall, still works great`
`23:51.00`	`davidcsi`	`I have two computer on the same netowrk, I was able to connect from one to the other perfectly... But I believe that something having to do with antispoofing is going on, i just cant connect either way any-longer! I can even connect from a third computer to both hosts! ¿Anyone?`
`23:51.03`	`rossi`	`why does my kplayer not play svcds and I only get squares and bad sound from harddrive its not a problem`
`23:51.07`	`hisham_h`	`is there rc.local in debian ?`
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`23:51.29`	`humbolt`	`no rc.local`
`23:51.37`	`petemc`	`zOOz: i guess you could run everything through squid`
`23:51.40`	`tosh`	`whats the packagename for mplayer these days?`
`23:51.47`	`hisham_h`	`:S so what i do then if there`
`23:51.50`	`hisham_h`	`;s`
`23:51.52`	`shingouz_`	`!mplayer`
`23:51.52`	`dpkg`	`not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or 'cerkinfo'' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot`
`23:51.52`	`hisham_h`	`no rc.loal`
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`23:51.54`	`hisham_h`	`local`
`23:51.58`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: I believe what happens is no questions are ever asked for any package, and the default value for each question is taken and stored in the database`
`23:52.01`	`petemc`	`hisham_h: /msg dpkg rc.local`
`23:52.01`	`Compy`	`Hey, how would I use apt-get to upgrade everything/packages etc ESPECIALLY GCC to the latest stable version from Linux debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i586 unknown?`
`23:52.11`	`hisham_h`	`oki`
`23:52.36`	`shingouz_`	`Compy apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`
`23:52.37`	`petemc`	`Compy: apt-setup, man apt-get`
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`23:52.50`	`Compy`	`ive tried all of those`
`23:52.52`	`davidcsi`	`anyone?`
`23:52.54`	`s3ri4l`	`hello`
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`23:53.01`	`Compy`	`I think its a problem with some of my sources`
`23:53.03`	`Thanateremesis`	`humm.. thanks jim`
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`23:53.08`	`shingouz_`	`Compy as root but read the manuals on apt-get first`
`23:53.20`	`Compy`	`yeah`
`23:53.28`	`petemc`	`Compy: if theres a problem with your sources, apt-setup should sort it`
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`23:53.37`	`Compy`	`Ive tried dist-upgrade etc but every time 0 packs are upgraded`
`23:53.37`	`Compy`	`okie`
`23:53.50`	`shingouz_`	`Compy the box you want to update does have a network connection, does it?`
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`23:53.53`	`jjazz`	`Compy you only need one line in sources to get the stable stuff: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib`
`23:53.55`	`Compy`	`Yes`
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`23:54.04`	`petemc`	`Compy: at worst you could move /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/old.sources and run apt-setup again`
`23:54.04`	`Flimzy`	`CompBrain: Are you using woody?`
`23:54.24`	`shingouz_`	`Compy you need to update before the upgrade`
`23:54.29`	`davidcsi`	`I have two computer on the same netowrk, I was able to connect from one to the other perfectly... But I believe that something having to do with antispoofing is going on, i just cant connect either way any-longer! ¿Anyone?`
`23:54.35`	`veruus`	`Compy: make sure you don't have apt pinning set up`
`23:54.54`	`jim`	`Thanateremesis: that's why I suggested you might actually create and write an interface for debconf that will combine with another interface (like dialog or noninteractive or whatever) and will query your autodetect database, and if it doesn't get an answr, use the other interface`
`23:54.54`	`Thanateremesis`	`doub, hi`
`23:54.57`	`Compy`	`shingouz: Ive ran apt-update and upgrade several times ofcourse`
`23:55.00`	`k-man`	`is it possible to install exim4 alongside exim3?`
`23:55.12`	`petemc`	`davidcsi: what leads you to believe theres something funny going on? have you checked the interfaces, the cables?`
`23:55.12`	`Thanateremesis`	`humm...`
`23:55.18`	`shingouz_`	`Compy apt-get update (not apt-update)`
`23:55.22`	`k-man`	`so i can test my exim4 setup before removing exim 3 and going live with exim4`
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`23:55.24`	`Compy`	`err yeah`
`23:55.25`	`Compy`	`sorry, that.`
`23:55.27`	`petemc`	`k-man: anythings possible, but why would you?`
`23:55.28`	`jim`	`ok, so I didn't say that idea to that level... but there ya go, you have another way to fly`
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`23:55.45`	`shingouz_`	`Compy so what kinds of errors you got from the update?`
`23:55.50`	`veruus`	`Compy: check out the apt pinning thing, that happened to me once, it downloads the updated list of packages but won't install any of them, right?`
`23:55.52`	`k-man`	`petemc, cos i want to leave exim3 running for my users while i fiddle around toget exim4 going`
`23:56.13`	`k-man`	`apt-get wants to remove exim if i try and install exim4 though`
`23:56.14`	`petemc`	`k-man: do you have a particularly exotix exim configuration?`
`23:56.15`	`EvanCarroll`	`k-man: if you run exim4 on a different port`
`23:56.21`	`petemc`	`exotic`
`23:56.23`	`Compy`	`veruus: correct, it always returns 0 upgraded etc`
`23:56.30`	`davidcsi`	`petemc: they are all ok... really.... I think the problem is specifically with my laptop... because I can connect from other hosts to both compuers....`
`23:56.36`	`veruus`	`yeah, check that`
`23:56.40`	`veruus`	`there's a file you can remove`
`23:56.44`	`daww`	`Compy are you using Woody, Use Sarge if you are using a desktop`
`23:56.47`	`veruus`	`only happened once`
`23:57.05`	`k-man`	`petemc, um.. not really that exotic, no... but i'm not particularly familiar with exim, and i want to try setting up an ssl smtp host with it`
`23:57.23`	`petemc`	`davidcsi: so what have ou done to make sure the interface on the laptop is working?`
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`23:58.01`	`davidcsi`	`petemc: I'm actually chatting with you on my laptop... through the same interface`
`23:58.09`	`petemc`	`k-man: you dont have another box to try that on? its not a great answer but it would make life a lot easier, especially if you're not that familiar with exim`
`23:58.30`	`petemc`	`davidcsi: then i have no idea whats wrong`
`23:58.32`	`veruus`	`Compy: rename your /etc/apt/preferences file or just nuke it`
`23:58.35`	`veruus`	`that should fix it`
`23:59.13`	`Compy`	`There is no /etc/apt/preferences file`
`23:59.15`	`shingouz_`	`nuking is always a bad idea. rename or move it`
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`23:59.38`	`Compy`	`apt.conf.d sources.list sources.list.old <- thats all thats in /etc/apt`
`23:59.48`	`davidcsi`	`petemc: could it be something with arp cache? i ran tpcdump and saw "arp who-has" asking for my laptop's ip address but my laptop did not respond... ¿do you have any idea why?`
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