| 00:00.09 | Harik | fly_80: text files, or make config and hit ? |
| 00:00.31 | fly_80 | text files |
| 00:00.41 | daft_ | WHat is the normal sound dev in /dev |
| 00:00.44 | prahal | fly_80: nowhere the help file are part of the sources (thus the make command) |
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| 00:01.03 | fly_80 | so i can't view whiout a make |
| 00:01.05 | Harik | fly_80: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:01.07 | fly_80 | 2.6 |
| 00:01.24 | Harik | find -name Kconfig |
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| 00:01.34 | Harik | it's files-per-directory |
| 00:01.42 | fly_80 | Kconfig is for Kde ? |
| 00:01.53 | blue_ | prahal: packages.debian.org/testing/x11/tkworld |
| 00:01.53 | Harik | no, it's the filename inside the kernel source directory |
| 00:02.04 | fly_80 | uhm, ok, i try |
| 00:02.05 | Harik | there's a bunch of them |
| 00:02.09 | Harik | one per subdirectory |
| 00:02.24 | Harik | find /usr/src/linux -name Kconfig | xargs grep -l 'CONFIG_WHATEVER' |
| 00:02.32 | Harik | will tell you which one defines CONFIG_WHATEVER |
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| 00:02.50 | prahal | blue_: i think so, i only know one tkworld program (if i remind well it is unmatinained nowadays, i abandonned it as it was not up to date) |
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| 00:02.55 | bob2 | daft_: depends |
| 00:02.55 | prahal | i mean i stopped using it |
| 00:03.06 | paveloskiRJ | caros amigos., hoje tentei instalar 3.0R4 num pent100 32mbRam.,, ocorre tudo bem.. no instalador chega ponto baixar kenel nos mirros mas nao acha. |
| 00:03.29 | paveloskiRJ | diz nao foi encontrado nehum modo |
| 00:03.40 | impy | hmm |
| 00:03.40 | jethro | !es |
| 00:03.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:03.42 | shingouz_ | !es |
| 00:03.51 | fly_80 | i don't have the directory linux under /usr/src |
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| 00:04.19 | Harik | well, where did you upack it? |
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| 00:04.22 | impy | How do i install debian packages? |
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| 00:04.33 | daft_ | bob2 is /dev/dsp right? |
| 00:04.36 | shingouz_ | impy apt-get install foo |
| 00:04.37 | AngelsDemon | anyone want to help me troubleshoot my mounting? |
| 00:04.40 | bob2 | daft_: no |
| 00:04.41 | bob2 | daft_: it depends |
| 00:04.43 | enyc | impy: from a deb file, just "dpkg -i [filename]" |
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| 00:04.47 | paveloskiRJ | ou seja, nao consigo instalar. mas muitos ja conseguiram |
| 00:04.49 | bob2 | daft_: for OSS, yes, for ALSA, /dev/snd/pcm* |
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| 00:04.54 | enyc | 'impy: from apt-get source.. as dhowen by daft_ above |
| 00:04.58 | impy | eny> danke :-) |
| 00:05.02 | bob2 | oh, wait |
| 00:05.05 | Harik | fly_80: where is your kernel source? |
| 00:05.08 | fly_80 | i haven't unpacked, 'cause i'm using the /boot/config |
| 00:05.11 | daft_ | bob2 thanx i have alsa |
| 00:05.12 | bob2 | (s)he was speaking portugues |
| 00:05.16 | Harik | oh. It's not in there. |
| 00:05.17 | Mr|Dave | Hey, can anyone help me create hdk* and hdl*, I thought it had something to do with mknod, but I can't figure out the exact method (been Googling for it) |
| 00:05.29 | bob2 | Mr|Dave: cd /dev ; MAKDEV hdk |
| 00:05.30 | fly_80 | to view the modules i have to enable |
| 00:05.33 | bob2 | er, MAKEDEV |
| 00:05.38 | bob2 | fly_80: what on earth are you doing? |
| 00:05.41 | bacate | hi all. someone have installed debian in a RS6K? |
| 00:05.49 | AngelsDemon | i'm trying to mount an ntfs part... but when i attempt to change the permissions, it gives me "read-only file system" (even though i mounted it as -rw |
| 00:05.55 | bob2 | bacate: #debianppc |
| 00:05.55 | fly_80 | bob2, i'm installing the ipw2200 |
| 00:06.03 | daft_ | bob2: I dont have a /dev/snd/ .... |
| 00:06.03 | bob2 | fly_80: so use a debian kernel |
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| 00:06.06 | bob2 | daft_: ok! |
| 00:06.10 | fly_80 | and i'm simply setting in /etc/modules |
| 00:06.20 | fly_80 | the modules to start at boot |
| 00:06.24 | Mr|Dave | worked perfectly, thanks very much bob2 |
| 00:06.29 | fly_80 | in my actual config |
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| 00:06.36 | bacate | bob2: thanks. :-) |
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| 00:06.45 | vs_zach__ | whats a good apt source for limeware and firefox |
| 00:06.52 | paveloskiRJ | nao consigo install debian.. |
| 00:06.54 | daft_ | bob2 do I need to create them I have alsa |
| 00:07.17 | fly_80 | i have to know only the name of the module of the CONFIG_FW_LOADER option in kernel |
| 00:07.32 | paveloskiRJ | o debian install nao acha kenel mod mesmo trocando mirror |
| 00:07.40 | daft_ | Bob2 I hear my self talk in my speakers but i want to use TeamSpeak and I cant bind my speaker to it |
| 00:07.41 | thingfish | paveloskiRJ: #debian-br |
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| 00:08.17 | paveloskiRJ | alguém ja conseguiu? |
| 00:08.32 | thingfish | so ingles aqui, amigo. |
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| 00:08.59 | thingfish | what's the dpkg thing for portuguese? |
| 00:09.29 | Harik | fly_80: firmware_class |
| 00:09.40 | Harik | I looked it up in my source. |
| 00:09.52 | thingfish | !portuguese |
| 00:09.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:09.55 | fly_80 | Harik, thank you very much |
| 00:09.58 | paveloskiRJ | dear friends,, my debian instaler dont find kernel mod and dont pass. |
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| 00:11.03 | loke | if im using a usb to serial adapter to connect to a cisco console what is my device name for my usb port? |
| 00:11.05 | paveloskiRJ | I cheked all and work but all mirror dont find a kenel mode. to contiun install |
| 00:11.20 | brynjarh | Is this normal(Debian GNU/Linux Unstable)? --> http://raf-a19.raflinan.is/~brynjarh/wtf.txt |
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| 00:11.45 | paveloskiRJ | I tried install 3.0R3 but stop install |
| 00:11.55 | jethro | brynjarh: yes |
| 00:12.06 | AngelsDemon | anyone want to help me troubleshoot my mounting? |
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| 00:12.09 | AngelsDemon | i'm trying to mount an ntfs part... but when i attempt to change the permissions, it gives me "read-only file system" (even though i mounted it as -rw |
| 00:12.18 | rend | do you guys know if bandwidth is cheaper elsewhere in the country than say HOuston TX? |
| 00:12.27 | sussudio | !tell brynjarh about sid faq |
| 00:12.46 | Blissex | AngelsDemon: there are huge FAQs about the limitations of the NTFS code. |
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| 00:13.02 | Blissex | rend: thats a particularly demented question! |
| 00:13.05 | jethro | !captive |
| 00:13.05 | dpkg | somebody said captive was The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
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| 00:13.29 | jethro | AngelsDemon: you want captive |
| 00:13.39 | rend | Blissex: how so? |
| 00:13.44 | paveloskiRJ | caros amigos , tentei instalar debian 3.0 R4 mas nao obtive exito. |
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| 00:14.47 | AngelsDemon | jethro: i am not exactly sure to tell you the truth... it used to work... but then after rebooting a few times, and a few days of doing things... it stopped working |
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| 00:14.59 | paveloskiRJ | the debian instaler dont find kerel mode.,if countium the process dont find HD pationer. |
| 00:15.01 | rend | where in the usa can you get t1s cheap? |
| 00:15.06 | Blissex | rend: get a clue! First of all this is #Debian, secondly, what kind of line? What kind of SLA? What kind of contract? |
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| 00:15.21 | AngelsDemon | jethro: i used to be able to just type "chmod -R 755 hdc2" and all would be good after a min until i restarted again |
| 00:15.21 | jethro | AngelsDemon: what did use to work? |
| 00:15.24 | Harik | AngelsDemon: ntfs is read-only no matter how you mount it. |
| 00:15.36 | Azar | I had Debian in Woody colors, then I went sid, I have had all setup nicely , never had a crash just to find out that what I had was not quite Debian, |
| 00:15.43 | Harik | the old OLD 2.4 ntfs driver would work with SOME versions of ntfs. |
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| 00:15.49 | Harik | I think mainly NT4 |
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| 00:15.51 | blue_ | anyone want to help me strip down and rebuild tkworld |
| 00:15.52 | jethro | AngelsDemon: you can't do much of an ntfs partition but reading files on it, if you don't use captive |
| 00:15.55 | Harik | the newer one works, but read-only. |
| 00:16.01 | Azar | now I am back with Woody and can't have a video and audio, nor to mentiion an X |
| 00:16.02 | AngelsDemon | Harik: i know, but i used to at least be able to play my mp3 collection |
| 00:16.03 | Blissex | rend: I think you are trying to set up a web business without having much of a clue, and asking for free advice on IRC, which is sort of mad. |
| 00:16.11 | Azar | I really do not know what to do |
| 00:16.25 | Azar | I am though happy I can run lynx and irssi |
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| 00:16.31 | Blissex | rend: however, there is a very interesting article on the subject if you want... |
| 00:16.33 | Harik | You should be able to, unless your mp3 player is trying to rename them. |
| 00:16.37 | AngelsDemon | jethro: i'm not too worried about writing, reading is fine... |
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| 00:16.54 | rend | Blissex: haha. no. I'm looking for information on what parts of the country are cheaper to setup datacenters in... and I'm wondering why another company has opened another datacenter in virginia... |
| 00:17.03 | rend | when their first datacenter was in san antonio (an is full now) |
| 00:17.06 | shingouz_ | Azar i guess you just need to see if you still have the audio and video aplications installed, do the same for X while you're at it. Sid has a way of breaking things you know.... |
| 00:17.10 | Azar | the only "action" I can get next is a new install |
| 00:17.12 | htet | has anyone installed gnome 2.10 yet/ |
| 00:17.13 | Harik | AngelsDemon: Did you mount it with a different fmask/dmask then before? |
| 00:17.25 | rend | this guy formerly started rackspace around 1999-2000.. |
| 00:17.33 | AngelsDemon | Harik i SHOULD be fine, but i can't even browse it with a normal user anymore |
| 00:17.35 | Azar | shingouz_ installing nVidia latest driver in Woody is not possible |
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| 00:17.45 | Azar | so without video , no X |
| 00:17.46 | AngelsDemon | Harik not that i know of |
| 00:17.46 | jethro | AngelsDemon: if you want users to be able to read filesystems you mount as root, look at the man page for mount, there is something you want to know about |
| 00:18.00 | yoshio_ | loke: look in /lib/modules/2.4-27-2-686/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/, keyspan makes one |
| 00:18.06 | shingouz_ | Azar use vesa to get at least something out of X |
| 00:18.46 | loke | yoshio_ i just did |
| 00:18.49 | Azar | shingouz_ I have a LCD I doubt it will work with vesa |
| 00:18.50 | Blissex | rend: because Virginia has dirst cheap wages/land/power probably... |
| 00:18.56 | loke | yoshio_ i had to modprobe belkin_sa |
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| 00:19.02 | shingouz_ | Azar of course it will |
| 00:19.07 | loke | yoshio_ its /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 00:19.15 | loke | yoshio_ thanks, |
| 00:19.24 | Azar | oh ok, thanks shingouz_ |
| 00:20.05 | yoshio_ | loke: good to know, I am looking for a debian compatible usb-serial adapter |
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| 00:20.14 | htet | or anyone know when are we going to get the gnome 2.10 package on official site? |
| 00:20.21 | loke | yoshio_ belkin makes a nice one |
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| 00:20.30 | madmax|PN | evening |
| 00:20.41 | Harik | AngelsDemon: What's your mount command? |
| 00:20.45 | madmax|PN | anyone suggest where I can get a 64bit version of the blowfish assembler? |
| 00:20.53 | loke | yoshio_ becarefule because I bought another noname brand and it didnt work well |
| 00:20.53 | blue_ | can someone help me, i want to make a simple program that executes a shell command, saves the command and prints the results on the screen, i dont even know what language would be best to use |
| 00:20.54 | madmax|PN | namely, I have bf-i386.S, but want the 64bit one |
| 00:20.54 | yoshio_ | loke: thanks |
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| 00:21.04 | loke | yoshio_ no prob |
| 00:21.06 | rend | Blissex: doesn't virigina also have all kinds of backbone connections? |
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| 00:21.22 | Harik | AngelsDaemon: uid=value, gid=value and umask=value |
| 00:21.26 | Blissex | rend: if one builds a datacenter, one can get a backbone all of one's own. |
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| 00:21.37 | rend | Blissex: lately san antonio has taken off like a rocket and is bigger in population than dallas and land has gone up... |
| 00:21.56 | Harik | AngelsDemon: So you'd want to make the umask be something like 0022 |
| 00:22.05 | htet | seems like nobody here is excited about the gnome latest release |
| 00:22.11 | Harik | or really 0222 |
| 00:22.11 | AngelsDemon | Harik: i was using "mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc2 /mnt/hdc2 -r |
| 00:22.11 | jethro | Harik: let him read the manpage, breastfeeding users doesn't make them learn much |
| 00:22.26 | cureless | htet: try the gnome channel |
| 00:22.27 | AngelsDemon | Harik could i add that in the mount command? |
| 00:22.34 | EfaistOs | is there any trouble to install debian on SATA HD ? |
| 00:22.35 | Harik | AngelsDemon: that's why. mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc2 /mnt/hdc2 -o ro,umask=0222 |
| 00:22.42 | vs_zach__ | editing /etc/apt/sources.list dont work |
| 00:22.46 | rend | Blissex: I have seen some companies move into older datacenters and because they already had lots of fiber to them.. but you are saying that if you find a good location you could just get fiber laid? |
| 00:22.47 | Harik | then man fstab and learn how to put it there by default. |
| 00:22.50 | loke | yoshio_ EfaistOs mine works fine |
| 00:23.04 | Harik | jethro: But I get to whip my tits of knowledge out. |
| 00:23.12 | vs_zach__ | lol |
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| 00:23.49 | loke | yoshio_ http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=111250 |
| 00:23.53 | Harik | blue_: shell script would be fine for that. |
| 00:24.04 | htet | cureless: i m a bit excited about it and just curious to know if other debian users are also like me, well, anyway |
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| 00:24.15 | loke | yoshio_ works like a charm |
| 00:24.18 | shingouz_ | rend i have not seen wild fiber so far so i guess all the fiber has to be manmade |
| 00:24.23 | vs_zach__ | !!! |
| 00:24.23 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 00:24.26 | loke | later yall |
| 00:24.30 | yoshio_ | AngelsDemon: I was tyring to mount with smbmount, but only root could write to the mount point. fixed it by typing >> sudo smbmount //Thor2/Projects /mnt/smb -o "username=windowsusername,uid=unixusername,rw" << , I know this doens't work with ntfs, but maybe it's a similar problem |
| 00:24.48 | blue_ | Harik: i want to save a bunch of commands and be able to find and execute them very quickly |
| 00:24.49 | cureless | htet: well, maybe when it makes it to stable more people will be :-) |
| 00:25.04 | htet | ok |
| 00:25.05 | rend | shiner840: you reading from the book of insults written by lamers for lamers? |
| 00:25.09 | yoshio_ | loke: cool, thanks |
| 00:25.24 | htet | i prefer gnome to kde |
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| 00:25.39 | henry | hola |
| 00:25.40 | AngelsDemon | Harik: thanks! that worked just great! I FINALLY HAVE MUSIC!!!!!! |
| 00:25.53 | henry | please |
| 00:25.56 | Harik | blue_: What kind of commands? |
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| 00:25.59 | shingouz_ | rend the question you asked about having fiber laid out for a new datcenter just asked for such an answer |
| 00:26.14 | henry | channel of spanish |
| 00:26.22 | shingouz_ | !es |
| 00:26.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:26.48 | rend | shiner840: because you didn't have an intelligent response.. you still had to spew out some garbage? |
| 00:26.59 | blue_ | Harik: apt-get update, /etc/init.d/apache2 reload, misc stuff |
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| 00:27.23 | Harik | blue_: You're trying to run them all at once? |
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| 00:28.08 | blue_ | no, i just want a list of comonly used ones that i can save, and click on them when i want and they run, save 5 minutes a day but im not a very fast typer |
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| 00:28.39 | shiner840 | rend... beg your pardon, I havn;t said a word in here for hours, what the heck are you going on about ! ? |
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| 00:29.40 | carnage | has anyone used captive-ntfs? |
| 00:29.53 | cureless | blue_: depending on your desktop environment you can assign any command to an icon/button |
| 00:30.11 | sussudio | !stab carnage |
| 00:30.15 | blue_ | oh yeah, i guess that would be easier |
| 00:30.25 | bob2 | carnage: they probably have a channel which is more likely to give good advice |
| 00:30.26 | cureless | blue_: but the command line is not that bad. |
| 00:30.40 | cureless | blue_: you can always set up aliases or create scripts, etc. |
| 00:30.53 | drini | could anyone point me to an apt repository for getting Xorg and replacing Xfree? |
| 00:30.59 | blue_ | just seems like it would be a nice addition to the command line |
| 00:31.04 | carnage | i'm just wondering if i can convert rpm's to deb's somehow... |
| 00:31.04 | bob2 | drini: read the channel topic |
| 00:31.08 | bob2 | carnage: alien |
| 00:31.19 | carnage | thanks |
| 00:32.02 | Harik | blue_: apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree |
| 00:32.08 | Harik | and go to popcap and play typer-shark |
| 00:32.13 | Harik | :-) |
| 00:32.19 | drini | I did, I checked the wiki, lots of info on how to configur, but I coulnd-t find the apt repository |
| 00:32.25 | drini | ah nevermind |
| 00:32.36 | drini | sorry |
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| 00:35.38 | yoshio_ | shiner840: cool, didn't know about nick tab completion |
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| 00:38.24 | Xemacs_ | !test |
| 00:38.24 | dpkg | Yes, xemacs_, you're still online. |
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| 00:39.21 | AndresOS | Hmm.. |
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| 00:42.33 | EfaistOs | do u know how to stop an upload with proftpd? |
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| 00:43.43 | Grant | Hello is there some generous people here? |
| 00:43.47 | Grant | I need a few packages |
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| 00:43.57 | Grant | ive upgraded 1 too many |
| 00:44.00 | Darien | how generous and what packages? |
| 00:44.01 | cureless | I'll sell you some for cheap. |
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| 00:44.14 | Darien | I'll trade them for slave labour |
| 00:44.19 | Blissex | Grant: this is outrageous! This is not #Debian-warez! :-) |
| 00:44.20 | Grant | php4 php4-common and apache2 lib |
| 00:44.22 | Grant | lol |
| 00:44.33 | Darien | why not just recompile them on your own? |
| 00:44.36 | JeffWilson12 | hmm...messing with PearPC, I decided to give debian a shot on Pearpc...well, when booting starts, i press enter at the 'boot:' prompt, and it gets to 'arch: exit' and then stops. any ideas? |
| 00:44.47 | Grant | 4.3.10-8 <------ destroyed my ecommerce website |
| 00:44.50 | Darien | ow |
| 00:44.52 | Darien | how? |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | Grant: /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 00:44.59 | Grant | lol just stoped functionining |
| 00:45.05 | Blissex | Grant: for unofficial but sometimes ''better'' PHP stuff, look at http://WWW.dotDeb.org/ and their Debian repo |
| 00:45.06 | Darien | Grant: do you use smarty? |
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| 00:45.23 | abrotman | Grant: snapshot has past packages |
| 00:45.31 | Grant | abrotman awesome :D |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | Grant: but it's probably better just easier to fix the problem |
| 00:45.51 | debboy | hello all. i'm having problems getting my laptop to work under 2.6.8. its a new laptop and a fresh sarge install |
| 00:45.53 | Darien | Grant: does your site use templates? |
| 00:45.58 | debboy | (CDs from november 04) |
| 00:46.03 | Darien | Grant: does it just have a blank page now? |
| 00:46.14 | Grant | abrotman what is the problem with it? |
| 00:46.18 | debboy | i get the message: ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. |
| 00:46.27 | debboy | and then init fails, kernel panics. dead. |
| 00:46.28 | yoshio_ | Blissex: do they have php5? |
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| 00:46.40 | Blissex | yoshio_: I think to. |
| 00:46.43 | Blissex | yoshio_: I think so. |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | Grant: no idea .. you tell me :) |
| 00:46.45 | Darien | yoshio_: yes, they do |
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| 00:46.52 | abrotman | Grant: define "doesn't work" .... |
| 00:46.53 | Darien | yoshio_: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 00:47.00 | Blissex | yoshio_: they claim to have solved the issues with that. |
| 00:47.23 | Darien | Blissex: you mean the ones that say 'remove the line or you'll hose your system' ? |
| 00:47.35 | yoshio_ | Blissex: didn't know they have any issues, I only knew that php5 was not in sid, what issues were there? |
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| 00:47.48 | Blissex | Darien: no, the incompatibilies between Apache and PHP5. But I may be wrong. |
| 00:48.02 | Grant | lol too hard to explain abrotman, do we just have older packages? |
| 00:48.05 | Grant | in .deb |
| 00:48.05 | green_earz | debboy: have you tryed the net installl 110 meg cd > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050308/ |
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| 00:48.22 | yoshio_ | Darien: thanks |
| 00:48.35 | Darien | Grant: if an upgrade breaks your site, your site is broken, not the packages |
| 00:48.44 | debboy | green_earz, no, because the ethernet card doesn't work under 2.4.27. i didn't bother trying to get wireless going. so i need 2.6.8 |
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| 00:48.50 | Darien | Grant: rolling back will only forestall the inevitable.. fix your site and you'll be better fo rit |
| 00:48.53 | debboy | its the full sarge install disks |
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| 00:49.39 | lobster | I am trying to upgrade sysvinit, from woody to sarge. I guess I need to do apt-get install --force-yes sysvinit, because aptitude, and apt-get both say I can't do it without force. Is this dangerous? Is this being prevented because I am using a ssh session to do the upgrade, as opposed to being at the machine physically? |
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| 00:50.08 | green_earz | debboy: install the 2.6 kernel from the very begining by typing linux26 at the very first prompt of the cd boot |
| 00:50.17 | Darien | lobster: dpkg doesn't really care where you are, it just cares that doing something like upgrading init and breaking it could kind of hose your system |
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| 00:50.24 | TimFreeman | What's a program available on Debian to convert a Microsoft Works text document to any other more common format? Openoffice doesn't do it, apparently. |
| 00:50.25 | Blissex | lobster: if you have to ask that question, dont do it. |
| 00:50.32 | Darien | lobster: I've never had a problem with the upgrade, as long as the power doesn't fail, you should be fine |
| 00:50.41 | debboy | green_earz, i'll have a go |
| 00:50.41 | Darien | but no warantee |
| 00:50.49 | Darien | warrantee |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | !eat lobster |
| 00:51.16 | abrotman | sorry .. couldn't resist |
| 00:51.22 | green_earz | debboy: try it with the sarge net installer most current version |
| 00:51.22 | Grant | Darien, the developers of the site have advised me to roll back rather then them fix the problem (dont worry ive got stuck into them, but i need to get my site online immediately) |
| 00:51.25 | lobster | Darien the last time I did an upgrade from woody to sarge, this question wasn't asked. ok I will give it a shot. |
| 00:51.28 | abrotman | Grant: i told you .. snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:51.32 | lobster | abrotman haha |
| 00:51.37 | Darien | Grant: fair enough |
| 00:51.48 | Darien | Grant: snapshot is your best bet, like abrotman keeps saying |
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| 00:54.12 | debboy | green_earz, i have a bad feeling my ethernet card isn't supported yet. this is a v.new laptop. |
| 00:54.26 | cafuego_ | What 'card' is it? |
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| 00:54.40 | cafuego_ | Some unfortunate broadcom thing? |
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| 00:55.10 | cafuego_ | or a Marvell gigabit one? |
| 00:55.15 | debboy | a "marvel yukon 88e8036 PCI-E Fast E C |
| 00:55.37 | directhex | marvell gigabit works great for me |
| 00:55.43 | cafuego_ | debboy: Recent 2.6 kernels support that just fine. You'll need a sarge installer. |
| 00:55.44 | directhex | pci-e? that IS cutting edge :o |
| 00:55.45 | debboy | directhex, what module? |
| 00:55.58 | aw | i want to merge both channels of a stereo file (making it mono but with both channels content) and then bring another file in the second channel, can someone suggest a program that will allow me to do this? |
| 00:56.01 | directhex | debboy, which kernel are you running? |
| 00:56.07 | directhex | aw, audacity |
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| 00:56.19 | aw | directhex: i can't see how to do it there |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | v.new ? |
| 00:56.36 | Psibr | soundforge is easier to use bust costs between $60 and $200 depending on options |
| 00:56.37 | lobster | how do i activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option? --force-yes, doesn't seem to do it |
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| 00:56.42 | debboy | 2.4.27: installed,boots. 2.6.8: tried to upgrade, won't boot. 2.6.8 (nov04 sarge install): can't figure out the net card |
| 00:56.46 | debboy | i've tried a few |
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| 00:57.04 | cafuego_ | debboy: sk98lin |
| 00:57.09 | debboy | this is the new Toshiba M40 (M45 for the USA). very very new. |
| 00:57.17 | Sero | Does anyone know like some good sites where a brand new want to be-soon to be Linux user could read up on. |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | Sero: read up on what ? |
| 00:57.37 | directhex | debboy, the driver will be sk98lin, but is unlikely to know to work with that card in 2.6.8. try using a 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 kernel? |
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| 00:57.55 | Psibr | knoppix.net is pretty good. lots of newbies struggling to come to terms with a geeks OS |
| 00:57.55 | Sero | Just so they could get some of the basics of Linux. |
| 00:58.01 | debboy | go get the latest net install and give it a whirl |
| 00:58.05 | abrotman | Sero: tldp.org .. |
| 00:58.08 | abrotman | that's all you need :) |
| 00:58.13 | abrotman | at least to get started |
| 00:58.16 | WiFiTux | well, why da heck hasn't someone got 2.6.11 in the apt-ger repository? |
| 00:58.30 | WiFiTux | am I really going to have to do it? |
| 00:58.32 | abrotman | WiFiTux: don't make me smack you |
| 00:58.34 | smacnay | Hi, if one installed a debian kernel image (2.4.27-2-k7) is it patchable by the kernel-patch-2.4-lowlatency? Or are the patches only good on the kernel-source debs? |
| 00:58.55 | directhex | smacnay, patches are for source, not images |
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| 00:59.05 | Sero | Oi TLDP hehe. ^^ I remember trying to read that before I had isntalled Linux, I didn't get anything out of it. ^^ Nothing else? : ( |
| 00:59.12 | Python | hello |
| 00:59.15 | WiFiTux | abrotman, seriously, I'm going to have to do it! |
| 00:59.23 | Psibr | hehe. will have to roam around that site. last I knew geeks wrote lousy copy. |
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| 00:59.57 | green_earz | debboy: for the 2.6.10 kernel you need the add a sid mirror to you apt source |
| 00:59.58 | abrotman | !tell Sero about fundamentals |
| 01:00.02 | Psibr | will have to try the samba one. all the others were horrid |
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| 01:00.12 | thingfish | gosh, new gnome seems heavily gstreamer-focused. |
| 01:00.16 | WiFiTux | abrotman, is this normally done by a specific person, or anyone? |
| 01:00.22 | smacnay | directhex: thanks - do the .deb kernel-images usually contain the patches for their major version number? |
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| 01:00.38 | abrotman | WiFiTux: the kernel? |
| 01:00.44 | davidcsi | anyonw know whether Zylxel router with wlan and lan segregates the wireles from the lan? |
| 01:00.45 | abrotman | WiFiTux: check the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 01:00.46 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | Azar: no . new installer is for sarge |
| 01:01.10 | meowdog | can I do a listing of filenames in the current directory without it also showing file info, like perms date, etc.. |
| 01:01.18 | directhex | smacnay, they contain debian patches, which should be listed in the changelog |
| 01:01.19 | Azar | abrotman, thanks so there is no need to order the new revision |
| 01:01.19 | debboy | green_earz, how am i going to access the mirror with no working network card |
| 01:01.28 | smacnay | directhex: thanks again. |
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| 01:01.31 | green_earz | sorry |
| 01:01.42 | WiFiTux | abrotman, takes too long and too many e-mails. |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | Azar: i'm confused what you're trying to do |
| 01:02.09 | lobster | I figurd it out apt-get -o="APT:Force-LoopBreak=true" install sysvinit, I am pretty smart for a crustacian |
| 01:02.10 | davidcsi | on a ping, what does the "!H" means? |
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| 01:02.47 | directhex | !eat lobster |
| 01:03.18 | Psibr | insects don't get mad cow |
| 01:03.25 | directhex | Azar, the new installer is for sarge onwards. why would a security rollup for woody have sarge's installer? |
| 01:03.30 | doub | what's the name of the thing to configure in postfix to have a local, illegal email adress converted to a real internet one (ie, local-user@local-domain -> isp.user@isp.com) ? |
| 01:03.33 | nevyn | !start a food fight |
| 01:03.35 | toresbe | Psibr: good for you. |
| 01:03.48 | toresbe | !literal start a gdm war |
| 01:03.52 | toresbe | !literal start a dm war |
| 01:03.52 | dpkg | start a dm war is <reply> (startx|xdm|kdm|gdm) (is the one true way|is a PITA to configure|is just shit|rocks)! |
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| 01:03.59 | meowdog | !eat me |
| 01:04.05 | restrex | who know when gnome 2.10.0 will enter to debian sid? |
| 01:04.10 | restrex | who knows when gnome 2.10.0 will enter to debian sid? |
| 01:04.19 | doub | i'm a bit lost with all the "adress convetion stuff in the doc |
| 01:04.26 | directhex | restrex, wasn't that only announced, like, today? |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | restrex: when it's read |
| 01:04.34 | abrotman | ready |
| 01:04.35 | green_earz | debboy: ftp the kernel down on another box and burn on cd ?? |
| 01:04.39 | restrex | directhex by apt? cool! |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | directhex: yes .. today .. like .. 5 hours ago |
| 01:04.45 | laicosa__ | hi, does anyone have a good pointer for hosting a 1U server ? |
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| 01:04.51 | abrotman | air! |
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| 01:04.58 | toresbe | laicosa__: 0 |
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| 01:05.41 | lobster | !eat pussy |
| 01:05.44 | debboy | green_earz, thats possible: BUT: i already have 2.4.27 installed (no nic card), but i can't boot to 2.6.8 - harddisk doesn't work. my first message was: |
| 01:05.52 | debboy | i get the message: ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free. |
| 01:06.11 | debboy | thats what i wanted to resolve when i arrived |
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| 01:06.29 | debboy | hmmm. |
| 01:06.33 | WiFiTux | !eat lobster |
| 01:06.38 | restrex | abrotman I don't understand you, Is gnome 2.10 at debian sid now? |
| 01:06.45 | toresbe | restrex: no. |
| 01:06.48 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 01:06.54 | restrex | ok, thanks. |
| 01:06.56 | debboy | maybe (once the net disk has downloaded), i'll reboot and skip the networkign bit, see if it can mount the drives |
| 01:06.57 | WiFiTux | 2.10?!?! |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | restrex: WIR .. not sooner |
| 01:07.04 | toresbe | restrex: that sort of stuff usually doesn't take long, though :) |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | WiFiTux: gnome2.10 |
| 01:07.06 | toresbe | WiFiTux: yep :) |
| 01:07.11 | directhex | WiFiTux, it was released a few hours ago |
| 01:07.17 | thingfish | yes, it's going to be real nifty |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | restrex: you can ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. but they'll probably shoot you |
| 01:07.22 | restrex | at debian, yes. but I was only asking, thanks guyz. |
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| 01:07.27 | toresbe | restrex: But it's a very big package. 5 hours is not nearly enough. |
| 01:07.33 | green_earz | debboy: boot on the 2.4 and then install the downloaded kernel 2.6.10 |
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| 01:07.50 | WiFiTux | toresbe, abrotman, ahh,, for how long have they talked about it, so I can guess when it's going to be in Sid. |
| 01:07.53 | thingfish | http://www.gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/rnwhatsnew.html |
| 01:07.54 | toresbe | !start a food fight is <reply> (turkey|kebab|bread|meatloaf|chicken|coleslaw) is (non-free|not tasty|bloated|crappy|teh sux|not healthy) |
| 01:07.54 | dpkg | toresbe: okay |
| 01:08.07 | davidcsi | ayone? what does the !H means in a ping? |
| 01:08.09 | debboy | green_earz, i dont think that will resolve the harddisk problem. i bet it will fix the network card, but the boot seq won't get that far |
| 01:08.18 | restrex | yea I know. toresbe I was asking 'cause gnome 2.10 is at ubuntu, 'cause I though that it's on debian, but no. |
| 01:08.19 | restrex | thanks |
| 01:08.23 | WiFiTux | !start a chicked fight |
| 01:08.26 | debboy | green_earz, i've seen my hd problem reported since 2002, but i can't seem to find a solution |
| 01:08.29 | WiFiTux | !start a chicken fight |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | restrex: then use ubuntu .. |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it was just released today |
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| 01:08.58 | restrex | abrotman I don't think that. I like debian, I was only asking about gnome. |
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| 01:09.09 | abrotman | restrex: well .. when it's done .. it will be done .. no sooner |
| 01:09.19 | WiFiTux | abrotman, hahaha, so, in 2 months. |
| 01:09.19 | debboy | green_earz, i'll go try the install straight from linux26 (old install) |
| 01:09.24 | restrex | ok, thanks. |
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| 01:09.30 | restrex | WiFiTux :S |
| 01:09.36 | toresbe | restrex: yeah, they're very very cutting-edge and all that niceness |
| 01:09.37 | directhex | WiFiTux, gnome 2.8 took a couple of weeks |
| 01:09.43 | green_earz | debboy: all the best |
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| 01:09.47 | abrotman | i have no fucking idea when it will be ready .. i don't package it .. ask someone in the damn #gnome-debian .. it's not that big of a deal |
| 01:09.54 | abrotman | if you can't wait . compile your own |
| 01:09.59 | restrex | yea |
| 01:10.03 | WiFiTux | directhex, come on. even more. like 5 or more |
| 01:10.16 | debboy | i dont need to reboot my chat machine... i'll let you know how i go |
| 01:10.30 | directhex | WiFiTux, 2.8 was swift. 2.6 took ages. |
| 01:10.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman, hey dood chill out |
| 01:10.36 | restrex | I was only asking about it. I compiled gnome with garnome, and they have the lastest version, but I just wanna know about gnome, anymore |
| 01:10.38 | restrex | =) |
| 01:10.47 | restrex | at debian--- |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | restrex: so ask the people that do it .. we don't :) |
| 01:10.51 | WiFiTux | directhex, true. Compared. |
| 01:10.53 | deadrabbit | ort |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i'm calm enough .. but apparently people thing that #debian is just chock full of DDs |
| 01:11.19 | restrex | abrotman ok. thank for the #gnome-debian I'm gonna go there. :P |
| 01:11.27 | abrotman | restrex: put on your armor |
| 01:11.28 | WiFiTux | I like 2.8 it has some nice end user thingies and is a bit faster. |
| 01:11.29 | *** part/#debian KirbyMeister (kirbymeist@ool-457064c3.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:11.29 | FaithX | Anyone got a copy of Acucobol I need a copy of RPC4W32.dll |
| 01:11.40 | abrotman | FaithX: wrong channel |
| 01:11.43 | Guerin_ | FaithX: I think you are lost |
| 01:11.47 | WiFiTux | lol |
| 01:11.51 | colonelpanic001 | heh |
| 01:11.53 | Guerin_ | either that, or incurably stupid |
| 01:12.03 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
| 01:12.06 | FaithX | abrotman, there is Acucobol for linux |
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| 01:12.13 | abrotman | FaithX: not with DLLs |
| 01:12.21 | Guerin_ | !find acucobol |
| 01:12.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'acucobol' (1): (/usr/share/doc/doc-iana/assignments/media-types/application/vnd-acucobol) in doc/doc-iana. |
| 01:12.28 | hojax | im trying to get sound working on my laptop - i have alsa installed, am in the audio group,etc... i cant seem to get the correct module loaded (?) it is a yamaha opl3sa2 i believe... |
| 01:12.41 | Guerin_ | hojax: oh, what fun |
| 01:12.44 | restrex | WiFiTux yea, :/ 2.8 is abit faster than 2.10 :/ |
| 01:12.52 | WiFiTux | piece of crap #gnome-debian only has Chanserv |
| 01:13.00 | dvs | hojax: And?.... |
| 01:13.04 | WiFiTux | restrex, how come? |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | WiFiTux: on irc.gnome.org .. not here |
| 01:13.36 | Guerin_ | hojax: remove all oss modules and probe snd-opl* and snd-pcm-oss; you might have to specify some resources on the modprobe line, which is where it gets fun |
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| 01:13.45 | WiFiTux | abrotman, oh! |
| 01:13.50 | Guerin_ | hojax: presuming alsa and 2.6 kernel |
| 01:13.50 | abrotman | WiFiTux: oh indeed |
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| 01:14.13 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ? |
| 01:14.14 | hojax | when i use modconf to load the module (snd-opl3sa2) .... it gives an error ..."installation failed" ...i specified the irq, ports, etc... |
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| 01:14.28 | restrex | WiFiTux well, it's a bit slower than 2.8, but it's cool, it has good features, :D |
| 01:14.42 | Guerin_ | hojax: you might have specified them wrong, or another module blocking them |
| 01:14.48 | Guerin_ | err |
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| 01:14.51 | Guerin_ | blocking it |
| 01:15.07 | hojax | Guerin_, by "probe" do you mean modprobe .? |
| 01:15.10 | Guerin_ | yes |
| 01:15.18 | hojax | Guerin_, yes, 2.6 and alsa |
| 01:15.19 | Guerin_ | modconf does the same thing, though |
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| 01:15.30 | WiFiTux | restrex, you probably need a newer version of it. anyway OT |
| 01:15.33 | hojax | cool |
| 01:15.47 | restrex | WiFiTux http://www.freepgs.com/juan-pablo/Screenshot.png here's when I compiled it at debian |
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| 01:16.34 | Guerin_ | hrm, this internet banking system is broken - even on winxp |
| 01:16.34 | restrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.53 | restrex | it's cool, sorry my english =) |
| 01:16.57 | WiFiTux | restrex, bueno Juan Pablo, gracias. |
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| 01:17.12 | restrex | WiFiTux ea ;) |
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| 01:17.31 | hojax | Guerin_, i now have snd_pcm_oss , snd_mixer_oss loaded - are those considered "oss" modules (sorry if thats a silly question...).... and how do i remove them properly? |
| 01:17.34 | deadrabbit | dumb question: what should i use to decompress a zip file? |
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| 01:17.42 | abrotman | deadrabbit: unzip ? |
| 01:17.44 | nevyn | deadrabbit: unzip ? |
| 01:17.51 | dvs | deadrabbit: Is it a tar file too? |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | nevyn: stop copying me! |
| 01:17.55 | Guerin_ | hojax: no, anything starting with snd- is an alsa module - those are oss emulation, you want them |
| 01:17.55 | deadrabbit | nope |
| 01:17.58 | WiFiTux | restrex, que es ese 665mhz? |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | deadrabbit: yes |
| 01:18.03 | deadrabbit | thanks |
| 01:18.06 | hojax | Guerin_, ok, cool :P |
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| 01:18.13 | debboy | green_earz, well, 2.6.8 via the installer doesn't work - ide0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free |
| 01:18.15 | abrotman | deadrabbit: if unzip doesn't work . it's Winzip9 proprietary crap or something |
| 01:18.29 | restrex | WiFiTux yes :( I have a little pc :/ p3 667 mhz 256 ram |
| 01:18.48 | deadrabbit | it didn't work. is there something else i can do? |
| 01:18.54 | abrotman | deadrabbit: use unzip! |
| 01:18.54 | deadrabbit | i think it was zipped with winrar |
| 01:18.56 | WiFiTux | restrex, but how did you made it show you the PC speed? |
| 01:18.59 | irreverentrevere | what is a good tool to convert a directory of .bmps to .jpegs fromt he command line? |
| 01:19.00 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 01:19.00 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 01:19.01 | smacnay | I am looking for a changelog file for 2.4.27-2-k7 debian kernels. Is that kernel-doc-2.4.27.deb ? |
| 01:19.29 | deadrabbit | it's not a rar though |
| 01:19.46 | deadrabbit | hm |
| 01:19.50 | citral | My god, a 350 MHz with 128 Ram is about everything one needs to do everyday's tasks. Apart from encoding videos or playing doom3. |
| 01:20.10 | abrotman | deadrabbit: then you've got a mystery file! |
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| 01:20.39 | laicosa__ | irreverentrevere imagemagick |
| 01:20.44 | irreverentrevere | Thank You |
| 01:20.46 | enyc | irrevere: look into ImageMagick ? |
| 01:20.51 | restrex | WiFiTux it's an applet. that apple enables the change of your cpu speed. but my cpu is too older, so I use it only for decoration, to view my cpu speed. =) |
| 01:21.09 | citral | deadrabbit: try to run "file <yourfilehere>" |
| 01:21.15 | restrex | sorry my english :P |
| 01:21.33 | deadrabbit | i got it - |
| 01:21.38 | citral | restrex: your CPU is powerful, damnit |
| 01:21.45 | deadrabbit | for some reason, the second time i ran the same command it worked |
| 01:21.51 | WiFiTux | restrex, option only available in 2.10? OK. |
| 01:22.08 | deadrabbit | thanks |
| 01:22.14 | restrex | WiFiTux mm i don't know :S |
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| 01:22.38 | restrex | yea, at 2.10 but I don't know if it's at 2.8 |
| 01:22.50 | restrex | citral hahahahha yea :'( |
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| 01:23.17 | citral | one more Intel/Windows brainwashing |
| 01:23.22 | SteveWrightNZ | can someone running *woody* please `make` this for me please, tar it up and post it back. TIA. package -->http://linuxathome.ath.cx/~steve/wiccp-0.5.tar.gz |
| 01:23.28 | hojax | Guerin_, ok, so i am trying to probe the sound card.... it says "no such device" .. ? |
| 01:23.39 | WiFiTux | restrex, ok |
| 01:23.42 | citral | You NEED 3+ GHz. Everything under is good for trash. |
| 01:24.13 | KirbyMeister | anyone know a good cui program that can record from my tv-in card to a file in the background? |
| 01:24.36 | laicosa__ | im the trash :) |
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| 01:24.48 | citral | KirbyMeister: mjpegtools maybe? |
| 01:24.50 | dvs | same here |
| 01:24.58 | KirbyMeister | i need 3GHz? Man my computer isnt even 1GHz </sarcasm> |
| 01:25.10 | smacnay | hmm, does the 2.4.27 debian kernels have the atapi cdrom support? |
| 01:25.12 | WiFiTux | citral, for whatt? |
| 01:25.15 | KirbyMeister | citral: can it do lossless? (i'm encoding them later) |
| 01:25.17 | smacnay | oops - 'do'. |
| 01:25.25 | abrotman | SteveWrightNZ: are you kidding ? .. compile some crap from a random site . get the hell out of here |
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| 01:25.43 | Biovore | smacnay: its the version of cdrecord that support atapi |
| 01:25.45 | citral | Mine is 366 MHz, I'm here, I surf the web, read emails and listen to music all together. Oh, wait, let's launch a video </reality> |
| 01:25.51 | PuGz | how long do we reckon till gnome 2.10 is in unstable? |
| 01:25.57 | SteveWrightNZ | gee, it wont kill you mate, or eat ur peecee |
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| 01:26.03 | abrotman | PuGz: #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:26.11 | PuGz | nice |
| 01:26.11 | citral | KirbyMeister: the same doesn't look like lossless... |
| 01:26.17 | citral | s/same/name/ |
| 01:26.20 | PuGz | ubuntu already has them! thats fast! |
| 01:26.24 | dondelelcaro | SteveWrightNZ: use pbuilder and compile it yourself. |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | can we get an op to change the topic to say that gnome sucks and we don't care when it gets in sid ? |
| 01:26.30 | abrotman | PuGz: then go use those .. |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | god .. what the fuck |
| 01:26.36 | SteveWrightNZ | dondelelcaro: thanks ! |
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| 01:26.47 | abrotman | grr |
| 01:26.48 | Biovore | debian is realy ment for stablity and security.. not the newest flashest thing.. |
| 01:26.50 | restrex | citral eah I think the same. But I'm poor :/ so I don't have money to buy something like that. In summer, I'll work to buy a decent pc =) |
| 01:26.52 | KirbyMeister | abrotman: I'm sorry, but gnome has a lot better interface than KDE... if you want customization it's called E |
| 01:26.52 | WiFiTux | PuGz, I was told that quite a while, They said the same. Depending on Sarge. |
| 01:26.55 | PuGz | chill dude, i wasnt saying ubuntu is better... just saying that was fast! |
| 01:26.59 | abrotman | KirbyMeister: shuddup |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:27.26 | PuGz | abrotman: what do you use? |
| 01:27.31 | abrotman | PuGz: no .. but it was just announced like 8 hours ago |
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| 01:27.33 | abrotman | PuGz: gnome |
| 01:27.41 | KirbyMeister | citral: oh. i think there's a program that comes with mplayer or ffmpeg or something |
| 01:27.43 | PuGz | hehe.... why do you hate it then? |
| 01:27.45 | citral | restrex: you totally misunderstood me. read again. I have 366 MHz, not 3,66 GHz |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | PuGz: ubuntu apparently has the sole purpose of packaging gnome |
| 01:28.07 | dondelelcaro | PuGz: because you're the about the 12th person in less than 5 hours to ask about the same thing |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | PuGz: i don't hate it .. but getting questions about a major piece of software 8 hours after release . a bit much don't you think ? |
| 01:28.28 | KirbyMeister | PuGz: Debian has a very stringent quality requirement |
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| 01:28.32 | Leviathann | Where do I go to open up powertweak and lm-sensors? |
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| 01:28.37 | PuGz | abrotman: yes.... just askin |
| 01:28.38 | restrex | citral ooops |
| 01:28.39 | WiFiTux | There is no such thing as 3.66ghz anyway |
| 01:28.41 | restrex | :P |
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| 01:28.46 | abrotman | PuGz: and asking the wrong people |
| 01:28.48 | PuGz | yes yes |
| 01:28.50 | Guerin_ | Leviathann: 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:28.52 | KirbyMeister | PuGz: Which is why 'stable' doesnt have USB |
| 01:29.03 | ace2001ac | is there a package for nvidia drivers that creates a deb (just like java-package does for java)? |
| 01:29.04 | PuGz | abrotman: ok... i'll ask the ubuntu guys when gnome will be in debian then? |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | PuGz: i think there is alos a debian-gnome mailing list if you want a more detailed answer |
| 01:29.07 | Guerin_ | um, stable does have usb |
| 01:29.18 | abrotman | PuGz: their packages don't go in debian .. |
| 01:29.21 | KirbyMeister | Guerin_: Oops forgot about the backported 2.4 |
| 01:29.27 | Guerin_ | not backported |
| 01:29.30 | Guerin_ | released with woody |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | PuGz: ubuntu is not debian |
| 01:29.43 | PuGz | abrotman: exactly.... so i suppose i should ask here about gnome questions in debian then? |
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| 01:29.48 | PuGz | yes, i know... irc.gnome.org |
| 01:29.52 | Guerin_ | !gnome |
| 01:29.52 | dpkg | methinks gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
| 01:29.54 | Biovore | ubuntu is debian based.. |
| 01:30.00 | KirbyMeister | Guerin_: it was?then what does the 'bf' mean? |
| 01:30.01 | Biovore | ! debian |
| 01:30.01 | dpkg | i heard debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 01:30.05 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 01:30.08 | Guerin_ | Biovore: mazda is ford-based |
| 01:30.20 | Guerin_ | KirbyMeister: bootfloppy |
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| 01:30.24 | abrotman | PuGz: yeah .. they know more than us .. we're just helpers .. not DDs .. not many of us anyways |
| 01:30.29 | deadrabbit | agnula is debian |
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| 01:30.39 | abrotman | deadrabbit: not it isn't |
| 01:30.41 | Guerin_ | KirbyMeister: but the bf kernels are just for install - search pdo for 2.4 kernels in woody and you'll find 'em |
| 01:30.42 | deadrabbit | eh? |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | err no it isn't |
| 01:30.44 | PuGz | aiiiight.... cheers |
| 01:30.44 | citral | restrex: so, to be clear, your 667 Mhz allows you to do about anything with linux on it, don't think you NEED more. Apart from that, CPU speed is only one parameter, but you must take in count bus speed, disk speed etc. |
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| 01:30.48 | abrotman | deadrabbit: it's based on debian |
| 01:30.50 | KirbyMeister | Next we'll be flooded with Xbox modders asking why Xebian wont boot |
| 01:30.53 | KirbyMeister | :((( |
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| 01:31.00 | Biovore | rofl |
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| 01:31.14 | deadrabbit | it's pretty damn close |
| 01:31.24 | irreverentrevere | how do i find all items in a directory that meets a certian pattern and proform the same atrion on each? |
| 01:31.37 | abrotman | deadrabbit: pretty damn close is not the same |
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| 01:31.57 | raf256 | hi there |
| 01:32.04 | deadrabbit | that's is, close enough so that most help here would be relevant . . . but i suppose an almost caught chicken doesn't make soup |
| 01:32.11 | citral | Hi, I rolled my own knoppix/mepis/ubuntu live CD but it refuses to install on the disk. HELP!!!/!/8 |
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| 01:32.33 | raf256 | my digital camera do not work, probably due to bad permissions, with /dev/ file is needed to access USB digital camera (And with file i should chmod, or add user to it's group) |
| 01:32.33 | abrotman | deadrabbit: if we supported every distro based on debian .. do you realize how many problems we would have? |
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| 01:32.46 | KirbyMeister | distros based on debian are no longer our problem |
| 01:32.50 | KirbyMeister | that's policy |
| 01:32.54 | citral | it never has been |
| 01:32.56 | raf256 | citral: provide more detailed error description |
| 01:33.04 | KirbyMeister | besides if you are too lazy to join an extra channel for said distro... |
| 01:33.10 | abrotman | citral: it's a problem every day |
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| 01:33.30 | restrex | citral mm yeah, but, ocationally, I feel that I have more cpu, cause, well, my memory is google (256 mb) but the pc need something more speed, cause when I use certain program and I open firefox it's so slow to open it, about 15 seconds to opne it. :/ |
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| 01:33.46 | restrex | I feel that I need more cpu* errata :P |
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| 01:34.00 | citral | I ssh'd on the ubuntu box of a friend yesterday to help him. sources.list is not the same, there is kernel-image AND linux-image, we cannot be helpful with that. |
| 01:34.00 | restrex | my memory is good - wft! :P |
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| 01:34.07 | maher | restrex: is it disk speed - are you using dma? |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | i got lost |
| 01:34.20 | citral | restrex: that's not normal |
| 01:34.30 | restrex | maher yeah |
| 01:34.32 | restrex | :/ |
| 01:34.37 | restrex | citral :/ |
| 01:34.39 | Grant | abrotman u have saved my life |
| 01:34.42 | Grant | thanks mate :D |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:34.45 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:34.49 | Grant | ecommerce now working due to downgrade, i couldnt find the packages anywhere! |
| 01:34.53 | abrotman | Grant: no problem |
| 01:34.53 | KirbyMeister | maby every time someone says the name of any derivative distro dpkg should notice them about it (ONCE) |
| 01:35.02 | WiFiTux | Grant, send money. |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | Grant: you should really figure out why it was broken and either file a bug .. or fix your code |
| 01:35.16 | abrotman | WiFiTux: affero |
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| 01:35.25 | toresbe | Does anyone here know of a utility that can capture a JPEG from v4l? |
| 01:35.40 | WiFiTux | !affero |
| 01:35.43 | citral | toresbe: xawtv ? |
| 01:35.53 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ? |
| 01:36.05 | toresbe | citral: uh, well, in a bash script, that is, |
| 01:36.14 | deadrabbit | yeah yeah |
| 01:36.29 | Ead | I have a question re installation of mozilla-firefox under an essentially brand-new debian 3.0r4 box. |
| 01:36.38 | doub | toresbe: mencoder maybe ? |
| 01:37.01 | restrex | bye bye good nights i'm gonna sleep citral WiFiTux |
| 01:37.02 | restrex | ;) |
| 01:37.05 | restrex | bye abrotman |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | WiFiTux: http://www.affero.com/ca/freenode |
| 01:37.08 | shingouz_ | toresbe camstream? |
| 01:37.08 | raf256 | with /dev/* files correspond to USB ports/devices? |
| 01:37.09 | restrex | thanks byes |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | restrex: bye |
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| 01:37.13 | doub | toresbe: it can record v4l, and has a jpeg output option, though i never used it |
| 01:37.20 | Ead | namely: how can I do it (i.e. use dpkg(1)) from the command line? to what do I point dpkg(1)? |
| 01:37.40 | zignig | toresbe: ummmm , apt-cache search jpg v4l |
| 01:37.40 | citral | toresbe: depends on your real needs in fact... motion does movement detection for example |
| 01:37.45 | toresbe | zignig: did that |
| 01:37.48 | juan | raf256: none, usb have no ports |
| 01:37.53 | maher | Ead: did you read man dpkg |
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| 01:38.00 | zignig | toresbe: and tada ! , 3 programs ...... :) |
| 01:38.05 | toresbe | citral: I'm just capturing a bunch of frames |
| 01:38.14 | toresbe | zignig: tada! none of them relevant! tada! |
| 01:38.19 | zignig | toresbe: :P |
| 01:38.23 | yoshio_ | raf256: ls /dev |grep USB ?? |
| 01:38.34 | citral | !info libvideo-capture-v4l-perl |
| 01:38.37 | toresbe | zignig: oh, crap, I searched for jpg video |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | WiFiTux: make sense ? |
| 01:38.38 | dpkg | libvideo-capture-v4l-perl: (Perl interface to the Video4linux framegrabber interface), section perl, is optional. Version: 0.224-5 (sid), Packaged size: 114 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
| 01:38.39 | Ead | maher: will that note such sources? |
| 01:38.39 | SteveWrightNZ | pleeeeze can someone `make` a package for me on *woody* ? 8-} |
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| 01:38.49 | toresbe | zignig: sorry, and the last one was *very* relevant |
| 01:38.52 | toresbe | zignig: thanks :) |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | SteveWrightNZ: dondelelcaro already told you how iirc |
| 01:39.01 | zignig | toresbe: heh, no trouble 'o' doody one. ;) |
| 01:39.02 | maher | Ead: dpkg doesn't do sources |
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| 01:39.08 | dondelelcaro | SteveWrightNZ: again, use pbuilder. |
| 01:39.12 | yoshio_ | raf256: ls /dev/usb ? |
| 01:39.25 | Ead | maher: "sources" in the non-source-code sense. |
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| 01:39.35 | maher | Ead: what do you want to do? |
| 01:39.38 | yoshio_ | WiFiTux: cat /proc/cpuinfo gives you speed info |
| 01:39.51 | WiFiTux | ahh |
| 01:40.01 | WiFiTux | yoshio_, I want real time |
| 01:40.15 | ambycrao | how can i find out the port for the proxyinformation? |
| 01:40.34 | citral | ambycrao: yes |
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| 01:40.54 | Ead | maher: I wish to, via the command line, rather than via a browser, have whatever program--and I believe dpkg(1) is the appropriate such program--fetch and install (a testing version of) mozilla-firefox. |
| 01:40.56 | yoshio_ | WiFiTux: what do you mean real time? I run my 1ghz cpu at 700 mhz, and /proc/cpuinfo says I run at 700 mhz |
| 01:41.13 | maher | Ead: try backports.org |
| 01:41.42 | citral | Ead: if you know the url, use wget |
| 01:41.54 | citral | that is, only to fetch |
| 01:41.55 | WiFiTux | yoshio_, this is a laptop, so cpufrqd changes the speeds |
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| 01:42.07 | raf256 | damn :( |
| 01:42.22 | raf256 | camera is visible cia lsusb dmsg and /proc/bus/usb/, |
| 01:42.29 | raf256 | but I can not get images from it.. |
| 01:42.42 | raf256 | what was that console tool to get images? |
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| 01:42.53 | St0n3-C0l | Do anybody uses VMware here :P |
| 01:42.54 | maher | raf256: gphoto2 |
| 01:43.05 | raf256 | or, if it woulbe be an USB memry stick, how would I get images from it? how to mount such device? |
| 01:43.23 | citral | raf256: your camera if well recognized should be on /dev/video0 |
| 01:43.34 | abrotman | citral: it's a digicam |
| 01:43.40 | citral | oh |
| 01:43.52 | nevyn | umm guys. if it's a digicam it's most likely usb mass storage |
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| 01:44.04 | abrotman | at least. . i think that's what he said |
| 01:44.08 | dvs | like usb_storage |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | nevyn: most of us know that .. i'm not sure what he's doing |
| 01:44.13 | citral | yeah |
| 01:44.18 | prock | gtkam? |
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| 01:44.42 | Ead | citral: thanks. perhaps I should rephrase my question. I'm at <http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/mozilla-firefox>. I see the link to the appropriate (i386) .deb file there. will that also get me the (*) depends, (*) recommends, and (*) suggests dependency packages? |
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| 01:44.48 | prock | I've only ever needed gphoto2 or gtkam to get pics from my digicams |
| 01:44.49 | citral | does he want to upload images or to get real-time image that is the question |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | Ead: no |
| 01:44.58 | raf256 | citral: this is a camera as in digital-photo, not movie camera |
| 01:45.03 | Ead | abrotman: thank you. I feared as much. |
| 01:45.07 | prock | citral, raf256: gphoto2 package will do this |
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| 01:45.21 | citral | ok, clear |
| 01:45.30 | citral | raf256: do what prock said |
| 01:45.31 | maher | Ead: you don't want to use that one - its built against testing - you would want to dl the source and build it yourself - someone has proabbly already done this at backports.org |
| 01:45.41 | shingouz_ | ead just out of curiosity, why not use apt-get if you run sarge there |
| 01:45.43 | SteveWrightNZ | BAH, pbuilder wants to make a whole fucking distro |
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| 01:45.50 | nevyn | Ead: install synaptic by running apt-get install synaptic as root. then use that. |
| 01:45.55 | raf256 | prock: ok I run gphoto2 but I dont know how to pass name of device? it is on bus 002 device 006 |
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| 01:46.07 | nevyn | raf256: type dmesg |
| 01:46.18 | prock | raf256: have you read the gphoto2 manpage? |
| 01:46.19 | maher | raf256: is your camera supported by gphoto2 or is it mountable? |
| 01:46.20 | St0n3-C0l | Can abody help me with VMware :( |
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| 01:46.32 | prock | St0n3-C0l: this is #debian |
| 01:46.32 | abrotman | vmware isn't in debian |
| 01:46.42 | St0n3-C0l | i know but im sure someone will be using |
| 01:46.43 | nevyn | raf256: you should see a message that looks like.. "attaching usb mass storage at /dev/sda" if it's mass storeage. |
| 01:46.45 | Ead | shingouz_: no reason. I'm approximately 2 hours old in the debian world, having just come over from slackware. if apt-get is the appropriate method, that's what I want. |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | !vmware |
| 01:46.47 | dpkg | vmware is probably for 2.6 kernels, download the patches from ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware, read the README |
| 01:46.57 | Ead | maher: ah. thank you for explaining what backports is. much obliged. |
| 01:46.58 | abrotman | St0n3-C0l: you haven't even given us a problem yet |
| 01:47.18 | shingouz_ | Ead if you just want to install firefox apt-get install <packagename> should do it |
| 01:47.23 | St0n3-C0l | How do i Read my Guest OS from Boot Loader ? |
| 01:47.36 | shingouz_ | Ead man apt-get for more information |
| 01:47.39 | abrotman | St0n3-C0l: so the wrong channel |
| 01:47.45 | St0n3-C0l | ehe |
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| 01:47.51 | St0n3-C0l | it says harddisk not detected:P |
| 01:47.58 | abrotman | St0n3-C0l: wrong channel |
| 01:48.14 | St0n3-C0l | okaY :P |
| 01:48.15 | abrotman | St0n3-C0l: why don't you try the #vmware channel |
| 01:48.19 | Ead | shingouz_: much obliged. and I can find the packagename at backports? |
| 01:48.29 | abrotman | !vmware is also #vmware |
| 01:48.30 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 01:48.34 | St0n3-C0l | I am there |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | so ask them |
| 01:48.39 | abrotman | not us |
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| 01:48.44 | St0n3-C0l | only 26 peoples and almost all are dead :P |
| 01:48.54 | shingouz_ | Ead i'm not sure about that, probably. apt-cache search firefox should spit out something at least |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | St0n3-C0l: that doesn't make this the right place to ask |
| 01:48.58 | St0n3-C0l | oh replied |
| 01:48.58 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
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| 01:49.09 | pwald4129 | hello, I am using knoppix which I think is based on Debian installed as debian on hd. I was wondering what is the reference for the ssh on debian (on slack it is in.rshd, for instance), please? |
| 01:49.14 | Ead | shingouz_: thank you. I appreciate it. |
| 01:49.15 | shingouz_ | man apt-cache for that one of course.... |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 01:49.15 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 01:49.16 | hojax | im at a loss here guys - i am trying to get sound to work .... i have all the correct parameters... but when i probe the card it says that there is no such device... ? |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman | pwald4129: #knoppix |
| 01:49.30 | citral | fuck it |
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| 01:49.43 | pwald4129 | i am on knoppix right now |
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| 01:49.55 | citral | pwald4129: so kindly go to #knoppix |
| 01:50.06 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 01:50.12 | raf256 | oh my fucking god |
| 01:50.12 | abrotman | i think he fucked his debian install |
| 01:50.14 | abrotman | i'm not sure |
| 01:50.15 | raf256 | it worked \o/ |
| 01:50.17 | abrotman | i can't figure it out |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | oh no |
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| 01:50.36 | laicosa__ | raf256 lol |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | pwald4129: go to #knoppix .. |
| 01:50.59 | CryptoDebian | Help, I need somebody, |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | pwald4129: even installed on the HDD .. knoppix is still knoppix |
| 01:51.07 | CryptoDebian | Help, not just anybody, |
| 01:51.10 | raf256 | laicosa__: gphoto2 -P and I get all photos |
| 01:51.15 | CryptoDebian | Help, you know I need someone, help. |
| 01:51.18 | prock | CryptoDebian: we all need somebody |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | CryptoDebian: stop |
| 01:51.27 | citral | oh wait, I put a n back |
| 01:51.32 | raf256 | CryptoDebian: I need somebody to get me laid, will U help ;) ? |
| 01:51.36 | pwald4129 | knoppix is based on debian, just about everything.. and you can install knoppix permanently as knoppix with auto detection, knoppix without autodetect or debian |
| 01:51.41 | scoon | prock, I only need alcohol |
| 01:51.42 | citral | !irritate CryptoDebian |
| 01:51.43 | dpkg | CryptoDebian: wenas who uses kde lol |
| 01:51.51 | CryptoDebian | raf I ain't fag for your info |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | pwald4129: it is not debian .. please join the knoppix channel at #knoppix |
| 01:52.16 | citral | they know better |
| 01:52.20 | raf256 | CryptoDebian: sounds like something a ... would said ;) |
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| 01:52.25 | abrotman | pwald4129: alternately .. install debian with d-i |
| 01:52.29 | CryptoDebian | now seriously I need help |
| 01:52.35 | pwald4129 | ok, let me rephrase the question; what would be the deamon for ssh on debian (forget about knoppix) |
| 01:52.38 | citral | CryptoDebian: just ask a question then |
| 01:52.41 | shingouz_ | !tell CryptoDebian about ask |
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| 01:52.46 | abrotman | pwald4129: too late .. /j #knoppix |
| 01:52.51 | CryptoDebian | I'm tryin to get my computer get laid with debian |
| 01:52.55 | laicosa__ | raf256: i mount my camera on the filesystem to get my shots, and its always an enchantement :) |
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| 01:53.16 | scoon | CryptoDebian, wait. chicks dig debian ? |
| 01:53.17 | raf256 | laicosa__: I dont get it, how to mount an USB mass storage? what name of /dev/8 special device use? |
| 01:53.38 | Yabden | try /dev/sda1 |
| 01:53.40 | maher | raf256: if gphoto2 sees it its not mass storage |
| 01:53.47 | laicosa__ | i have a script for that, i dont remember.. 2 secs.. |
| 01:54.00 | Yabden | that is where the usb drives ive used are located, at least the pen drives |
| 01:54.08 | CryptoDebian | can I install Debian from Windows XP without having external drivers? |
| 01:54.12 | citral | raf256: dmesg, look where it's attached, for example /dev/sda -> mount /dev/sda /mnt/camera |
| 01:54.34 | raf256 | citral: mhm, ok.. and cant I check it using lsusb? |
| 01:54.36 | citral | erf sda1 or so |
| 01:54.43 | laicosa__ | you have to modprbe sd_mod vfat usb-storage |
| 01:54.56 | raf256 | CryptoDebian: You cant install Debian, or most other linuxes _from_ windows, YOu boot the system from a CD |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
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| 01:54.57 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 01:55.14 | laicosa__ | raf256: and the mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mountpoint |
| 01:55.16 | smacnay | hi, I am using a .deb kernel-image for the first time and am now under the assumption that the alsa modules cannot be d/l and installed for that image. They can be installed for a kernel compiled from a kernel-source .deb - correct? |
| 01:55.19 | citral | raf256: I don't think so, lsusb will report the hardware ID and so |
| 01:55.34 | raf256 | thnx |
| 01:55.52 | maher | smacnay: don't recent .deb kernels have alsa? |
| 01:56.03 | Azar | what is the difference between grup and lilo? I only learned to use lilo so far, I have no idea about grub |
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| 01:56.15 | Azar | grub* |
| 01:56.16 | citral | smacnay: 2.6 kernel have alsa |
| 01:56.18 | nevyn | citral: bad non fhs compliant person mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/camera |
| 01:56.21 | CryptoDebian | RAF I don't have no cd, and I can't make one 'cause my CD is read only |
| 01:56.37 | maher | CryptoDebian: why didn't you buy one laready? |
| 01:56.51 | smacnay | maher: I am using the 2.4.27-2-k7 kernel |
| 01:56.57 | CryptoDebian | MAHER I'm not rich$$$$ |
| 01:56.59 | maher | smacnay: ok - dunno |
| 01:57.05 | maher | CryptoDebian: 5 bucks |
| 01:57.06 | SerpentWolf | i have installed deb as a workhorse on a pentium133 Mhz with 16 MB ram, console only... seems its suffering tho, load average of 8.50 when apt-getting new kernel image... think this is normal ? |
| 01:57.06 | prock | CryptoDebian: then you're out of luck for now... read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 01:57.09 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:57.09 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:57.19 | dvs | smacnay: Try "alsa-modules-2.4.27-k7" |
| 01:57.28 | maher | SerpentWolf: do you have many sources? |
| 01:57.42 | SerpentWolf | maher only one ftp server. |
| 01:57.59 | CryptoDebian | PORCK tahnks by I've read that manual many times over |
| 01:58.00 | smacnay | dvs: I installed them but there were errors and depmod produced similar errors. |
| 01:58.02 | SerpentWolf | building dependancy tree takes about 10 mins... |
| 01:58.03 | maher | SerpentWolf: hmm... 16mb is not mmuch memory... i'd be happy it works at all |
| 01:58.21 | SerpentWolf | maher ok its cool then.... ill try get some more anyway. |
| 01:58.25 | citral | I'd go for a mini mini linux distro |
| 01:58.36 | CryptoDebian | isn't there a way to install it from Windows using GRUB? |
| 01:58.51 | SerpentWolf | citral im looking at deb's kernel for pentium classic. |
| 01:58.56 | maher | CryptoDebian: do you now how to repartition your disk from windows? |
| 01:58.58 | citral | CryptoDebian: why about ordering the cds? |
| 01:59.02 | SerpentWolf | dont want to throw away a perfectly working vintage boxlet :) |
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| 01:59.19 | bob2 | SerpentWolf: 16MB is not enough ram to usefully run apt against sarge |
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| 01:59.30 | citral | SerpentWolf: yeah right, maybe you could get it working good with a 2.2 |
| 01:59.43 | abrotman | SerpentWolf: how much ram ? |
| 01:59.56 | CryptoDebian | MAHER yeah, I've got partition magic and I've been devicing a possible scenario for allocation a partition for linux |
| 02:00.00 | SerpentWolf | abrotman 16 MB at this stage, can get 32 |
| 02:00.02 | nevyn | SerpentWolf: that load is correct |
| 02:00.03 | abrotman | citral: broken! |
| 02:00.14 | nevyn | SerpentWolf: 32 will be better 64 even more so. |
| 02:00.16 | shingouz | SerpentWolf: get more ram into the thing, a 133 is absolutely not too slow to run 2.6.10 |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | SerpentWolf: upgrade the RAM .. i have some older cyrix boxes runing sarge with 2.6 .. run perfectly fine |
| 02:00.32 | SerpentWolf | i just saw some folks running linux on 486's and it gave me hope... |
| 02:00.34 | nevyn | SerpentWolf: given enough ram it'll be fine. |
| 02:00.36 | maher | CryptoDebian: its so much easier to order a cd - if you'd done this yesterday it would arrive tomorrow if you paid the extra 5 bucks for fast shipping |
| 02:00.46 | SerpentWolf | ok guys, i will do that. thanks. |
| 02:00.48 | bob2 | SerpentWolf: linux is fine |
| 02:00.50 | bob2 | SerpentWolf: apt is not |
| 02:00.54 | nevyn | SerpentWolf: it'll be slow but fine for a gateway/shell box |
| 02:01.00 | shingouz | SerpentWolf: i am one who runs debian Sid on a 486... |
| 02:01.01 | nevyn | bob2: apt is cpu bound? |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | it requires cycles |
| 02:01.14 | CryptoDebian | MAHER that's a lot of money, specially now that I am saving up for a 512 RAM |
| 02:01.20 | bob2 | SerpentWolf: tho even apt would be ok if you were using potato. but sarge contains 10 000 packages, and apt keeps some data about them in memory |
| 02:01.25 | SerpentWolf | shingouz 486, im impressed indeed... |
| 02:01.29 | bob2 | CryptoDebian: fix your stupid irc client to be less annoying |
| 02:01.31 | nevyn | bob2: or disk/memory. if he gets more memory he should be ok. |
| 02:01.36 | bob2 | nevyn: memory, usually |
| 02:01.38 | brynjarh | I have a box here that is 166Mhz and has 64MB ram, is it usable for something?? |
| 02:01.46 | nevyn | bob2: right we all said get more ram. |
| 02:01.49 | bob2 | yeah |
| 02:01.50 | yoshio_ | CryptoDebian: go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status, then get the business card cd image or the netinst cd image, get someone to burn it, then boot from that cd |
| 02:01.53 | bob2 | brynjarh: sure |
| 02:01.55 | CryptoDebian | BOB how it's so anoying? |
| 02:01.56 | nevyn | brynjarh: install sarge on it and do an install report ;) |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | brynjarh: yes |
| 02:02.04 | SerpentWolf | brynjarh if i had that box id make it a super boxlet :) |
| 02:02.06 | bob2 | CryptoDebian: it's capitalising people's nicks |
| 02:02.08 | dvs | brynjarh: not gnome or KDE though |
| 02:02.10 | citral | brynjarh: about anything apart playing dvds or gaming |
| 02:02.12 | CryptoDebian | BOB I apologize this is my SECOND TIME using IRC |
| 02:02.14 | brynjarh | :) |
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| 02:02.24 | Ethiainen | hello all |
| 02:02.27 | hojax | what should i look at if i cant seem to load the correct module for sound ? |
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| 02:02.40 | debian | BOB2: LOL |
| 02:02.44 | dvs | hojax: lspci | grep audio |
| 02:02.46 | bob2 | debian: ha ha ha |
| 02:02.57 | CryptoDebian | BOB oh I see, but that's not the IRC problem, Iam the one that writes it |
| 02:03.12 | abrotman | BOB .. mind if i call you BOB ? |
| 02:03.13 | citral | !nick completion |
| 02:03.13 | dpkg | Hitting tab on a partially typed word in your IRC-client, when referencing a nickname, will increase typing productivity by miles. |
| 02:03.21 | hojax | dvs, that didnt display anything... |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | CryptoDebian: you've been here more than twice |
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| 02:03.32 | hojax | ha, duh - its isa |
| 02:03.42 | nevyn | citral: you could play dvd's with a hardware mpeg decoder card |
| 02:03.50 | hojax | dvs, is there a similar command for isa ?? |
| 02:03.54 | SerpentWolf | i made by /boot partition 10 mb instead of 20 (typo)... so i dont have space for a lighweight kernel even.... so im screwed.... |
| 02:03.57 | CryptoDebian | abrotman this is my second time buddy, the first time was yesterday |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | isapnpdump |
| 02:04.04 | hojax | i know that it is a yamaha opl3sa though :) |
| 02:04.07 | CryptoDebian | I swear to GOD |
| 02:04.10 | dvs | hojax: Does it have jumpers on the card? |
| 02:04.18 | bob2 | abrotman: don't make me beat you |
| 02:04.26 | debian | CryptoDebian: I did the same whenever girls as me the same question |
| 02:04.31 | debian | as=ask |
| 02:04.43 | cair0 | SerpentWolf, couldn't you just put your kernel on your main drive? |
| 02:04.54 | abrotman | bob2: have dpkg do it for you :) |
| 02:05.02 | hojax | dvs, well, i wouldnt know :P ---- it is in my laptop . i have the correct irq/ports at hand though from bios... |
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| 02:05.05 | SerpentWolf | cair0 i was under the impresson it has to be in /boot ? |
| 02:05.31 | CryptoDebian | debian I did not get that sentence |
| 02:05.34 | juan | SerpentWolf: what's the point of a /boot partition? |
| 02:05.47 | dvs | hojax: Man, then I'm out of ideas. |
| 02:05.51 | smacnay | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.55 | delire_ | any one know how to apply a 'fixed' DSDT table? |
| 02:06.06 | SerpentWolf | juan i usually keep /boot part, cause i play around alot... but like i said, made it too small |
| 02:06.09 | citral | is smacnay a /topic bot? |
| 02:06.10 | yoshio_ | hojax: apt-get install discover ? |
| 02:06.12 | smacnay | sorry - gpm is screwed here |
| 02:06.31 | hojax | dvs, when i try to load (what i think is ) the correct kernel module it says that it fails .. no device found or whatev |
| 02:06.34 | CryptoDebian | so should I make a SARGE CD? or Woddy or what? |
| 02:06.39 | hojax | yoshio_, yes, i have discover installed... |
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| 02:07.03 | citral | smacnay: you could at least paste the part on knoppix beeing NOT debian, that wouldn't hurt ;) |
| 02:07.07 | yoshio_ | hojax: does lspci show the sound card, or is it isa? |
| 02:07.15 | hojax | yoshio_, isa |
| 02:07.15 | dvs | yoshio_: nope |
| 02:07.49 | hojax | geezz... i had it working at one time --- then i dropped my laptop.. duh - and i reinstalled debian a month ago |
| 02:08.00 | yoshio_ | hojax: do you have alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-686 installed? |
| 02:08.03 | debian | well, there was a fire alarm, and the first thing I do is to active the screen locking. :/ |
| 02:08.03 | hojax | i wish i remembered how i got it working last time... (..ha) |
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| 02:08.16 | laicosa__ | hojax: do you know which driver is suitable for your card ? |
| 02:08.18 | CryptoDebian | I've read that SARGE is recomended over woddy, is that true? |
| 02:08.20 | hojax | yoshio_, i have kernel 2.6 - i dont need a similar pkg do i ? |
| 02:08.28 | hojax | laicosa__, i believe the opl3sa2.... |
| 02:08.33 | yoshio_ | CryptoDebian: yes, go with sarge, works with newer hardware |
| 02:08.41 | dvs | hojax: The only Yamaha chipset I see for ALSA is snd-ymfpci |
| 02:08.42 | bob2 | CryptoDebian: if you're mispelling "woody", then yes |
| 02:08.43 | CryptoDebian | thanks Yoshi |
| 02:09.07 | CryptoDebian | is easier an installation over the net? |
| 02:09.16 | CryptoDebian | netboot? |
| 02:09.21 | citral | netinst |
| 02:09.23 | hojax | dvs, the one i have is available (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-howto/x1298.htm) |
| 02:09.25 | CryptoDebian | has anyone tried a netinsta? |
| 02:09.26 | Azar | wow I did not know that modutils insmod , modprobe.. are not compatible with 2.6.x |
| 02:09.31 | bob2 | CryptoDebian: dude |
| 02:09.40 | bob2 | CryptoDebian: there's 700 people in here, of course "someone" has |
| 02:09.55 | doub | CryptoDebian: not much different, you don't bother with many cds and don't use bandwith for nothing |
| 02:09.59 | CryptoDebian | bob well how I am supposed to know |
| 02:10.00 | bob2 | CryptoDebian: if you have a lot of bandwidth (ie 512kbs or more), then yes |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | !tell CryptoDebian about ig |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | CryptoDebian: and you better read the one that pertains to your install |
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| 02:10.49 | yoshio_ | CryptoDebian: if you have broadband, yes, netinst works good |
| 02:11.02 | CryptoDebian | yoshi: I am at school the connection is ULTRA FAST |
| 02:11.07 | Supaplex | sup jjazz_. |
| 02:11.30 | CryptoDebian | doub but I wonder how will the windows XP respond to that |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | define ultrafast |
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| 02:12.05 | yoshio_ | CryptoDebian: you still have to boot the installer first, have your friend burn the business card cd (50 meg) or net installer (100 meg) |
| 02:12.05 | Supaplex | abrotman: dual channel ISDN :P hahahhaa |
| 02:12.05 | citral | ABORTMAN: a BILLION of BYTES/S |
| 02:12.05 | CryptoDebian | abrotmant 100 petaraflops per nanosecond |
| 02:12.06 | Ead | shingouz_: ok. it appears that one clean way to do this is to add the line "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/dists stable woody" to my /etc/apt/sources.list file and be off to the races. is this canonical? |
| 02:12.06 | doub | CryptoDebian: the best is not to let it talk, but that's just my opinion |
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| 02:12.47 | abrotman | Supaplex: i think i have to work with a guy tomorrow who has an ISDN line .. life sucks |
| 02:12.50 | CryptoDebian | yoshi I see there is now way out without some type of external media, either be USB, Floppy, CDROM |
| 02:13.08 | doub | CryptoDebian: you'll have to make shure you have room on your hd, and maybe tweak the bootloader if you still want windoze to talk afterwards |
| 02:13.17 | KirbyMeister | hey, what's the command to do calculations off the command line? |
| 02:13.18 | Supaplex | abrotman, eeeeeeeeuuu. well, fun for you. don't save any for me. ;) |
| 02:13.20 | abrotman | CryptoDebian: so you don't have a computer at all ? |
| 02:13.22 | citral | there is dsl over isdn in this house, for luck |
| 02:13.27 | Supaplex | KirbyMeister: bc rox |
| 02:13.52 | CryptoDebian | abrotman I've connected my laptop over the school LAN network |
| 02:13.56 | hojax | i just realized something---- i have the isa snd modules under /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko ... but i am running 2.6.8-2 now.... .? |
| 02:14.05 | CryptoDebian | abrotman if that's possible I'll do it RIGHT NOW |
| 02:14.13 | bob2 | hojax: then look in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2 ... |
| 02:14.46 | Supaplex | CryptoDebian: there's always ferrite memory :P |
| 02:14.48 | CryptoDebian | doub what is the nature of that booloader tweaking? |
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| 02:15.17 | mortal_ | can anyone read me? |
| 02:15.22 | bob2 | no |
| 02:15.24 | bob2 | fool |
| 02:15.31 | abrotman | !eat mortal_ |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | hmm . maybe !kill would have been appropriate |
| 02:15.50 | mortal_ | ...you think i kid, but I think I've been muted in a channel |
| 02:16.00 | mortal_ | I accidentally did a bad output |
| 02:16.01 | CryptoDebian | mortal I read you alive |
| 02:16.29 | bob2 | mortal_: then look in your status window |
| 02:16.29 | abrotman | mortal_: that will happen |
| 02:16.29 | Supaplex | no mortal_, we can't read your accidental bad output. you don't exist. ;) |
| 02:16.29 | brynjarh | Do you guys know of any text based tools to write ISO images to CD's? |
| 02:16.33 | bob2 | brynjarh: cdrecord |
| 02:16.40 | Supaplex | brynjarh: mkisofs+cdrecord |
| 02:16.49 | hojax | what would cause a module not to install and say "" FATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2...... no such device |
| 02:16.51 | mortal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.52 | Supaplex | brynjarh: nm the mkisofs, you got that part. :) |
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| 02:16.59 | brynjarh | bob2, Supaplex, okay thanks :) |
| 02:17.03 | abrotman | mortal_: you're not .. you're talking here just fine |
| 02:17.08 | abrotman | mortal_: which channel ? |
| 02:17.10 | doub | CryptoDebian: adding a reference to your windows partition and the way to boot it, to the bootloader conf file |
| 02:17.14 | mortal_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:17.23 | abrotman | mortal_: then ask them .. not us |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: shouldn't you be playing games ? |
| 02:17.54 | htet | which linux distro is more easy to use? Debian or Suse ? |
| 02:18.01 | CryptoDebian | doub is there any HOW TO on the internet I can study this move of tweaking the bootloader? |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | !tell htet about why debian |
| 02:18.18 | doub | CryptoDebian: look at your prefered bootloader docs |
| 02:18.21 | dondelelcaro | htet: this is #debian. Obviously, we're going to say Debian. |
| 02:18.22 | Azar | what for is fakeroot used? I see it mentioned in the kernel installation |
| 02:18.22 | mortal_ | abrotman: if im muted in there I can't exactly ask now can i? lol |
| 02:18.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: I just got a new digital camera today, but had to log out and back after adding myself to the "camera" group so I can download pictures from it |
| 02:18.29 | htet | :)) |
| 02:18.31 | dondelelcaro | Azar: apt-cache show fakeroot; |
| 02:18.37 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah .. anything good ? |
| 02:18.42 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro |
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| 02:18.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: Canon SD200, on a friend's recommendation |
| 02:18.56 | CryptoDebian | doub where is the prefered bootloader docs? |
| 02:19.00 | dondelelcaro | Azar: also, /msg dpkg fakeroot |
| 02:19.01 | Wyzard | abrotman: no interesting pictures yet |
| 02:19.02 | doub | dondelelcaro: just for the sake of contradiction, i'd say suse is easier |
| 02:19.05 | Supaplex | htet: well, the #debian consensus is debian, but we're not the least bit biased. ;) |
| 02:19.11 | delire_ | htet: debian is far easier to maintain but for a new user i will be flamed and say Suse is easier to install. my own sister proved this to me recently. |
| 02:19.11 | Azar | wow much better yet |
| 02:19.20 | bob2 | woo |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah .. i do like my camera . but it feels like a toy after seeing the pics from my bro's canon D10 |
| 02:19.30 | bob2 | spammers subverting my greylisting already |
| 02:19.31 | xam | doub: splitter! |
| 02:19.37 | doub | CryptoDebian: somewhere on your hard drive, in the documentation folder, once debian is installed |
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| 02:19.44 | SerpentWolf | i think the debian install is pretty straighfprward |
| 02:19.49 | dondelelcaro | delire_: dunno, a drinky nerd can install sarge... |
| 02:19.53 | Azar | oh so a kernel upgrade needs to be done in user mode? |
| 02:19.54 | doub | CryptoDebian: or on the bootloader's website, maybe too |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: a drunk one ? |
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| 02:20.04 | dondelelcaro | !drinky nerd |
| 02:20.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drinky nerd is http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9404/df940404.jpg |
| 02:20.13 | CryptoDebian | doub do you mean something like GRUB? |
| 02:20.22 | delire_ | htet: however to install debian, just take a little time to sensibly go through the install steps and you will have a far better system than Suse can offer you. |
| 02:20.22 | doub | CryptoDebian: for example |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you show me that everytime i ask :) |
| 02:20.30 | htet | for me, i start with mendrake and with my friend help i can use debian a bit and i tried suse, it is not that convenient some how |
| 02:20.31 | jack|h | I want to implement an encrypted filesystem on my laptop. Would you guys recommend EncFS or CryptoFS? |
| 02:20.33 | jack|h | (or something else) |
| 02:20.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'll send you a sample photo once I get gthumb importing working |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: i use `cp` with my camera :) |
| 02:20.55 | CryptoDebian | doub I see, so I can install GRUB on Windows XP so Debian will install and then boot? |
| 02:21.09 | htet | i m more into debian now with apt-get |
| 02:21.09 | xam | jack|h: neither. Use dmsetup/cryptsetup or cryptoloop |
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| 02:21.16 | yaaar | word |
| 02:21.16 | jack|h | xam: why? |
| 02:21.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: as far as a drunk nerd... that depends on who, how drunk, and if they collapse on the keyboard, which key they hit |
| 02:21.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: I was planning on doing that too, but it's not a usb-storage device... it's another USB device class that I hadn't heard of before, "PTP" -- Picture Transfer Protocol |
| 02:21.29 | Supaplex | yaaar: rawwwrr! :) |
| 02:21.31 | doub | CryptoDebian: you're not in the right place to ask things about windows |
| 02:21.39 | doub | CryptoDebian: but debian install will let you install grub |
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| 02:21.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: they don't sell mine anymore .. but the closest is the Olympus C-740 |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i could do it! |
| 02:22.08 | CryptoDebian | doub you see that's the problem? What came first the EGG or the Chicken? |
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| 02:22.20 | yaaar | so, looking to get some opinions. what's the quickest/easiest way to set up a debian box with a 2.6 kernel and reasonably recent packages? |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: i bought mine a while ago |
| 02:22.23 | jack|h | xam: or rather "why cryptoloop over encfs or cryptofs?" |
| 02:22.33 | xam | jack|h: because that is a more sane way to do encryption. IE. all parts are already in the vanilla kernel, you don't have to patch anything. Furthermore you can combine it with any filesystem you want, and also with RAID etc. |
| 02:22.37 | CryptoDebian | for now I have Windows and I am trying to figure out a way to put the damn Debian on it |
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| 02:22.56 | CryptoDebian | so I cannot have first Debian Linux since I have only Windows XP |
| 02:22.58 | SerpentWolf | xam's got a point jack|h |
| 02:23.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: ...and after adding myself to the "camera" group, gthumb imports pictures with zero trouble |
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| 02:23.19 | yoshio_ | doub: he downloaded the iso to a windows partition, but doesn't have floppy or cd-writer to make a cd, and he wants to install debian |
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| 02:23.19 | nevyn | CryptoDebian: the easy way is go buy another disk |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: never tried it .. maybe i should |
| 02:23.33 | xam | jack|h: and cryptsetup/dmmapper is going to stay, whereas encfs/cryptfs will always be a third party addon ... |
| 02:23.35 | nevyn | CryptoDebian: the hard way is shrink the windows XP partition and install there. |
| 02:23.50 | jack|h | SerpentWolf: not saying he doesn't. That's why I'm askin' bout it. I've never done it before. :) |
| 02:23.57 | CryptoDebian | Nevyn ok we are getting somewhere now... |
| 02:23.58 | jack|h | xam: good points. I'll give it a try. |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: but i really really want to play with f-spot |
| 02:24.01 | doub | CryptoDebian: you can try netinstall from boot floppies, i've been told this is possible. but don't know how |
| 02:24.17 | CryptoDebian | doub I don't have floppy drive |
| 02:24.28 | jack|h | SerpentWolf: However, I know from experience that just because someone says "Do this" doesn't make it a good idea. :) |
| 02:24.32 | SerpentWolf | CryptoDebian netinstall from cdrom ? wont that work ? |
| 02:24.42 | hojax | clear |
| 02:24.50 | nevyn | the hard way corrisponds with the cheap in terms of $$$ way but also with an increased risk and effort |
| 02:24.51 | SerpentWolf | jack|h very valid.... im just saying i agree with him. :) |
| 02:25.15 | nevyn | the easy way is more $$$ but less risk and effort. |
| 02:25.18 | jack|h | SerpentWolf: really, my "research" into the matter was typing encrypt linux filesystem (or somesuch) into google and reading the first couple results. :) |
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| 02:25.42 | CryptoDebian | Nevyn, so I shrink the Windws XP partition and install Debian with WHAT and WHERE since I only have Windows XP |
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| 02:26.09 | CryptoDebian | Nevyn I'll do whatever to get debian on my laptop |
| 02:26.11 | nevyn | CryptoDebian: there are some free tools to do this. |
| 02:26.24 | nevyn | oh laptop.. the easy way isn't really an option |
| 02:26.25 | posne | Aaton: oi |
| 02:26.25 | CryptoDebian | nevy, could you refer me to some? |
| 02:26.27 | hojax | um, i dont understand this... i put myself in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/isa..... and did "ls" and i see "snd-opl3sa2.ko"... but when i do "modprobe snd-opl3sa2.ko" i get " FATAL: Module snd_opl3sa2.ko not found." ???? what the heck! |
| 02:26.40 | nevyn | CryptoDebian: ntfsresize |
| 02:26.45 | nevyn | does parted do ntfs yet? |
| 02:26.54 | dvs | hojax: Try "depmod -a" as root |
| 02:27.00 | CryptoDebian | Nevy how about Partition MAgic? |
| 02:27.06 | SerpentWolf | all i ever done is debian netinstalls.... havent got an idea how to install debian off cd |
| 02:27.07 | hojax | dvs, k |
| 02:27.14 | hojax | did it |
| 02:27.50 | doub | CryptoDebian: you can install debian inside a vmware or such virtual machine, using your hard drive (no virtual hard disk), you'll end up with grub and debian installed |
| 02:27.51 | hojax | same thing..... |
| 02:27.54 | nevyn | CryptoDebian: partition magic would do it. |
| 02:28.05 | nevyn | doub: that's a crappy solution. |
| 02:28.06 | prock | < CryptoDebian> Nevyn I'll do whatever to get debian on my laptop |
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| 02:28.11 | doub | CryptoDebian: but you still need partition magic and stuff |
| 02:28.14 | prock | CryptoDebian: does that mean you'll buy a cd burner? |
| 02:28.20 | dvs | hojax: And you don't put ".ko" at the end of modules you want to modprobe |
| 02:28.27 | rsff | Hey guys. This probably belongs in kernel, but I posted there and nobady answered. So here it goes: I'm getting this weird error from my CDRW. It was working fine (rather, it has started to open on its own, a couple weeks ago, but ir was reading and burning alright.). Today, I opened to box, and changed the motherboard from a box to the another, and now I get this weird "cmd 0x28 time out" error for the drive. What does it mean? |
| 02:28.41 | CryptoDebian | prock I got Partition Magic installed |
| 02:28.48 | Wyzard | rsff: sounds like the drive's broken |
| 02:28.50 | CryptoDebian | I don't need CD RW |
| 02:28.58 | hojax | dvs, yes :) ... when i took the .ko off... i get FATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device |
| 02:28.59 | doub | nevyn: of course. but what better one do you think about ? |
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| 02:29.12 | Wyzard | rsff: but check that the IDE cable is plugged in correctly, and maybe try replacing it with a different cable |
| 02:29.23 | CryptoDebian | ok after I do all the necessary resizing and so on, WHAT and WHERE do I install? |
| 02:29.24 | rsff | Damn. But I tried booting knoppix from it, and it worked fine. It also reads ok on windowze. |
| 02:29.29 | hojax | any ideas ? |
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| 02:29.44 | dvs | hojax: I'd say it's the wrong module |
| 02:30.00 | nevyn | doub: if you're going to re-size the partition anyway you should install on the metal |
| 02:30.05 | nevyn | doub: if you're not going to install on the metal. colinux is kindof fun. |
| 02:30.14 | hojax | dvs, k, im pretty darn sure it is the opl3sa2 card... 99.99% :) |
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| 02:30.29 | dvs | hojax: The module thinks you're wrong. |
| 02:30.33 | hojax | grr. ill tackle this later - this is giving me a headache |
| 02:30.40 | travisat | modules think? |
| 02:30.43 | Aaton | posne: oi |
| 02:30.50 | rsff | Wyzard, althought, the fact that it was opening on its own does lead me to think that it might have started to break.... But i'll try your suggestions. Change cables right? Is there any other way I can test this? |
| 02:30.54 | hojax | id like to have a word with this module |
| 02:31.06 | CryptoDebian | nevyn after I've resize everything WHAT do I install first and WHERE? |
| 02:31.07 | dealahog | I have a HP 722c printer using kde when i go to print it says sending to printer but nothing happens any clue what I need to do ? |
| 02:31.15 | laicosa__ | hojax: you can try with insmod and the full path |
| 02:31.23 | Wyzard | rsff: Not that I can think of offhand, except maybe using it a lot to see whether it has more problems |
| 02:31.33 | nevyn | CryptoDebian: install sarge from a netinstall cd to the free space you created. |
| 02:31.45 | maher | dealahog: install cupsys hpijs and point a browser to localhost:631 |
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| 02:31.51 | dealahog | thanks |
| 02:31.57 | doub | nevyn: colinux is not his goal AFAIK. and repartitionnign would be useless, too, i bet (though i don't know much about colinux) |
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| 02:32.09 | rsff | Wyzard, When I try mounting it, it just hangs de system until its done waiting for a DMA reponse. |
| 02:32.13 | doub | nevyn: he just said he had no cd available |
| 02:32.22 | SerpentWolf | what about debian based linux distributions? Ubuntu ? Impi ? |
| 02:32.24 | doub | nevyn: that's why i came out with my crappy solution |
| 02:32.29 | CryptoDebian | nevyn I guess that should be in the Primary Partition or Master Boot Root? |
| 02:32.37 | bob2 | SerpentWolf: if you're going to use something else, use ubuntu |
| 02:32.41 | bob2 | don't bother with the rest |
| 02:32.44 | nevyn | doub: usb key woudl be better? |
| 02:33.06 | SerpentWolf | ive used Impi for a while, was pretty good... |
| 02:33.14 | SerpentWolf | well its local from where i am |
| 02:33.17 | nevyn | doub: my bad appologies. I thought you were suggesting vmware rather than installing on the metal. |
| 02:33.21 | mortal_ | I don't suppose there's any way to actually change a user name is there? |
| 02:33.23 | CryptoDebian | doub what is your crappy solution? If it's a solution it's not crappy for me... tell me... |
| 02:33.30 | nevyn | mortal_: sure. |
| 02:33.31 | rsff | Wyzard, could you look at the dmesg output in #flood |
| 02:33.38 | rsff | its not very big. |
| 02:33.41 | doub | CryptoDebian: just look a few lines upper |
| 02:33.51 | Wyzard | rsff: dunno whether it'll help, but sure |
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| 02:34.01 | doub | CryptoDebian: install it in vmware, using your real hard drive, no hd emulation |
| 02:34.03 | nevyn | CryptoDebian: install from a usbkey |
| 02:34.09 | CryptoDebian | doub the few lines above are long ago gone |
| 02:34.17 | doub | CryptoDebian: or as nevyn points out, on usb key |
| 02:34.49 | doub | CryptoDebian: i just repeted it |
| 02:35.09 | CryptoDebian | I don't have money for USB Key, unless you lend me one |
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| 02:36.36 | htet | i have been trying to install mplayer with gui, after several tries i am able to install it but when i try to run gmplayer, i never got the GUI mplayer, mplayer itself works. gmplayer does not exit with error, it is just in the process and i have to kill it myself. any suggestion? |
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| 02:36.56 | maher | htet: are you using marillat's debs? |
| 02:36.59 | CryptoDebian | doub is it this one? VMware VirtualCenter 1.2? |
| 02:37.06 | htet | i compile it myself |
| 02:37.10 | doub | CryptoDebian: vmware workstation |
| 02:37.16 | maher | htet: try marillat's debs |
| 02:37.24 | htet | where can i get that/ |
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| 02:37.30 | maher | !marillat |
| 02:37.30 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 02:37.32 | Compy | Hey I upgraded from woody to sarge and I think ALOT of stuff got messed up during that upgrade with apt-get etc, especially with GCC because alot of libraries etc are messed up. How can I use apt-get to just reinstall EVERYTHING on the system? |
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| 02:37.37 | smacnay | htet: personally, I think the gui is very limited. The command-line is much more robust. |
| 02:37.44 | doub | CryptoDebian: register for demo version |
| 02:37.45 | htet | maher:thx |
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| 02:37.52 | htet | ok |
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| 02:37.58 | CryptoDebian | doub is that one the name? |
| 02:38.11 | CryptoDebian | VMware VirtualCenter 1.2 |
| 02:38.22 | doub | CryptoDebian: "03:37 < doub> CryptoDebian: vmware workstation" |
| 02:38.43 | CryptoDebian | VMware Workstation 4.5 |
| 02:38.45 | CryptoDebian | yeah |
| 02:38.49 | smacnay | I am running lilo to update my boot loader. I have a 2.4.27 deb kernel running and just added a 2.6.8 deb kernel. I get a few interesting lines in the output: they are like: |
| 02:38.52 | smacnay | Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9' -> '/dev/hda9' |
| 02:38.57 | FlyOnTheWeb | novice needs help: right channel? |
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| 02:39.14 | doub | smacnay: this is only a warning, don't bother |
| 02:39.31 | smacnay | I understand the naming is different in the 2.6.x kernels but is this /... ok - thanks so no harm will come on a reboot. |
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| 02:40.10 | Nurbs | smacnay: the naming is not different. |
| 02:40.21 | smacnay | Nurbs: oh, sorry |
| 02:40.36 | smacnay | Nurbs: device structure? |
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| 02:40.57 | delire_ | Nurbs: it's about to be very different. linus has proposed a make-over of the versioning system |
| 02:41.00 | Nurbs | devfsd (2.4, too) or udev can, but do not need to, introduce a new naming |
| 02:41.13 | Nurbs | delire_: that is something completely different |
| 02:41.13 | CryptoDebian | doub the registration process looks more difficult than installing Debian |
| 02:41.23 | CryptoDebian | but I don't get it |
| 02:41.28 | delire_ | Nurbs: only in that it isn't happening right now. |
| 02:41.31 | htet | what is the different between testing and unstable? |
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| 02:42.11 | doub | CryptoDebian: try again, reading what's written on your screen |
| 02:42.17 | CryptoDebian | in the Installation Manual it says that it's possible to install Debian with no resources other than your HDD |
| 02:42.23 | Nurbs | delire_: hm? |
| 02:42.25 | CryptoDebian | 4.4 Preparing Files for Hard Disk Booting |
| 02:43.08 | doub | !win CryptoDebian |
| 02:43.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, CryptoDebian! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:43.13 | CryptoDebian | The installer may be booted using boot files placed on an existing hard drive partition, either launched from another operating system or by invoking a boot loader directly from the BIOS. |
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| 02:43.29 | yoshio_ | Compy: first read http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:43.32 | delire_ | Nurbs: no more even for stable, odd for development - as roadmap targets at least. |
| 02:43.40 | Nurbs | delire_: yep. |
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| 02:44.05 | Nurbs | delire_: but that's related to device names how? :) |
| 02:44.47 | yoshio_ | CryptoDebian: yes, but you have to install from an already existing unix system (like another distribution) for the hdd install |
| 02:44.59 | delire_ | Nurbs: he wasn't talking about device names when i commented. "I understand the naming is different in the 2.6.x kernels.." |
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| 02:45.22 | delire_ | Nurbs: you then said correctly that it's not different. i then said it's about to become different |
| 02:45.28 | CryptoDebian | yoshio that's what I was thinking, HDD install only with linux, this is discrimination pure and simple |
| 02:45.45 | delire_ | CryptoDebian: ;) |
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| 02:46.01 | Nurbs | delire_: how do you figure that he wasn't? |
| 02:46.26 | CryptoDebian | all right, then lets' just forget about HDD install |
| 02:46.30 | yoshio_ | CryptoDebian: no, it's easier to boot from cd. get your friend to burn the 50 meg or 100 meg image, then boot from cd |
| 02:46.47 | CryptoDebian | my next option is netinstall |
| 02:46.57 | dealahog | HP 722c printer set as default shows up but says sent to printer when I try to print but nothing happens any more idea's? |
| 02:47.00 | delire_ | Nurbs: eh? think we've lost each other there. |
| 02:47.03 | dealahog | using kde print |
| 02:47.06 | CryptoDebian | yoshi yeah I'm gonna see him tonight |
| 02:47.29 | maher | dealahog: is it a multifunction? |
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| 02:47.36 | dealahog | no |
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| 02:47.41 | dealahog | just a deskjet |
| 02:48.02 | maher | dealahog: look in /var/log/cups whatever |
| 02:48.21 | Nurbs | delire_: "he wasn't talking about device names when i commented" <= he was. how do you figure he wasn't? but it doesn't matter anyway :) |
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| 02:48.40 | CryptoDebian | yoshi, you said something interesting "IT'S EASIER". So it is possible to do an installation with WINDOWS XP, yet it's a somewhat complex process? |
| 02:48.41 | maher | dealahog: install gs-esp too |
| 02:48.56 | htet | how can i uninstall application which i have compiled myself but not through .deb? |
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| 02:49.02 | Pook | d |
| 02:49.07 | cureless | htet: with rm |
| 02:49.10 | cafuego | htet: Use 'rm' on all files it installed. |
| 02:49.16 | delire_ | Nurbs: ;) |
| 02:49.27 | cureless | htet: or maybe, just maybe, if you're lucky, the makefile has an uninstall target. |
| 02:49.32 | Nurbs | delire_: indeed :) |
| 02:49.32 | cafuego | htet: if you think that sucks, now you know why installing a tarball on a debian box is a dumb idea. |
| 02:49.38 | htet | wow, it will be a pain to trace all that was installed |
| 02:49.45 | Ead | maher, abrotman, shingouz_, nevyn: thank you for your help. mozilla-firefox is now fetched, from backports, and installed. I added the one line of "deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable all" to my /etc/apt/sources.list file, and was off to the races with a subsequent issuance of "apt-get install mozilla-firefox". I'm much obliged for your assistance. |
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| 02:49.53 | cureless | htet: hence packaging systems |
| 02:49.56 | htet | well i did though |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:50.16 | delire_ | htet: the debian packaging system makes it easy not just to install packages, but also uninstall them ;) |
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| 02:50.27 | htet | cureless: is it very hard to package? |
| 02:50.35 | cureless | htet: depends on the app |
| 02:50.43 | htet | i c |
| 02:50.44 | htet | thx |
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| 02:51.17 | kingsley | htet: It seems to me that there IS a steep learning curve for packaging. |
| 02:51.30 | cafuego | htet: Which app are we talking about? |
| 02:51.41 | dealahog | tried that just now gs-esp still says sent to printer successfully but nothing happens |
| 02:51.42 | CryptoDebian | yoshi? |
| 02:51.58 | maher | dealahog: what do the logs say? |
| 02:52.08 | maher | dealahog: are you on stable or testing? |
| 02:52.24 | CryptoDebian | can anyone give me a GMAIL invitation? |
| 02:52.33 | CryptoDebian | please? |
| 02:52.37 | _keroppi_ | I'm trying to install eclipse-platform, but it depends on j2re1.4, which is uninstallable (referred to by another package, blah blah) |
| 02:52.52 | cafuego | CryptoDebian: Can't you just sign up? |
| 02:52.59 | _keroppi_ | How do you install eclipse-platform with apt-get? |
| 02:53.02 | dealahog | I [10/Mar/2005:14:49:53 -0600] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstops (PID 12029) for job 7. |
| 02:53.02 | dealahog | I [10/Mar/2005:14:49:53 -0600] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 12030) for job 7. |
| 02:53.02 | dealahog | I [10/Mar/2005:14:49:53 -0600] Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/parallel (PID 12031) for job 7. |
| 02:53.02 | dealahog | E [10/Mar/2005:14:49:55 -0600] PID 12030 stopped with status 1! |
| 02:53.02 | dealahog | I [10/Mar/2005:14:49:55 -0600] Hint: Try setting the LogLevel to "debug" to find out more. |
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| 02:53.24 | CryptoDebian | cafuego where do I sign up? |
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| 02:53.42 | cafuego | CryptoDebian: Ghhrm. /msg me an email address. |
| 02:53.49 | kingsley | Is magic sysrq compiled into the kernels in debian packages? |
| 02:53.58 | delire_ | i'm out. |
| 02:53.58 | Nurbs | _keroppi_: install "java-package", then use "make-jpkg" to create a .deb from Sun's Java SDK or RE, available at java.sun.com |
| 02:54.00 | maher | dealahog: paste in #flood |
| 02:54.01 | dealahog | I [10/Mar/2005:14:50:56 -0600] Started filter /usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip (PID 12046) for job 8. |
| 02:54.01 | dealahog | I [10/Mar/2005:14:50:56 -0600] Started backend /usr/lib/cups/backend/parallel (PID 12047) for job 8. |
| 02:54.01 | dealahog | E [10/Mar/2005:14:50:58 -0600] PID 12046 stopped with status 1! |
| 02:54.01 | dealahog | I [10/Mar/2005:14:50:58 -0600] Hint: Try setting the LogLevel to "debug" to find out more. |
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| 02:54.08 | dvs | This is amusing |
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| 02:54.18 | dondelelcaro | dealahog: do *NOT* paste here. |
| 02:54.23 | dondelelcaro | dealahog: read /topic, please. |
| 02:54.23 | cafuego | dealahog: Are you catching onto the "flood bad" idea yet? |
| 02:54.23 | SerpentWolf | dealahog read your kick message ? |
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| 02:54.38 | cafuego | Fuck it, just +b *!*@*.cox.net |
| 02:54.50 | cafuego | Nothing good ever comes off that hostmask anyway |
| 02:54.51 | Codename_V | dealahog: nah, it's cool. I hereby give you permission to paste |
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| 02:54.58 | _keroppi_ | Nurbs: Thanks nurbs |
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| 02:55.23 | Codename_V | sorry. just trying to start some trouble |
| 02:56.02 | nvz | damn PC had me worried there for a minute, was giving me some shit like "pivot_root: no such file or directory\n /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console: no such file\n Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" then I realized I had the HDD on the secondary controller instead of the primary. |
| 02:56.12 | cafuego | CryptoDebian: I need an email address to send an invite to, not a set of "are you there?" questions./ |
| 02:56.21 | maher | dealahog: set the log level to debug then paste in #flood |
| 02:56.22 | hacim | hrmf, sound doesn't want to work on this thinkpad 600e |
| 02:57.33 | htet | how can i make a debian package myself for simple application <not Gnome 2.10 size :D > |
| 02:57.36 | vs_zach__ | is KPackage any good |
| 02:57.42 | nvz | nope |
| 02:57.52 | student | I'm trying to start a pager and term at login, with no luck. I thought I could just put them (i.e., fbpager&) in .xsessio, can't someone help me? |
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| 02:57.57 | cafuego | htet: www.debian.org references a LOT of docs on that topic. |
| 02:58.05 | c4_ | hi |
| 02:58.09 | vs_zach__ | is there an app that does the same thing as KPackage |
| 02:58.15 | c4_ | what kernel module do i need for the pc-speaker? |
| 02:58.15 | nvz | vs_zach__: if you like shitty software. :P as a debian package manager its a sorry pile of crap. |
| 02:58.19 | htet | k |
| 02:58.30 | bob2 | student: you're being too vague |
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| 02:58.36 | rixth | rixth@debian:~$ firefox |
| 02:58.36 | rixth | Segmentation fault |
| 02:58.38 | nvz | vs_zach__: synaptic is a GTK based package manager, and there is aptitude for the console |
| 02:58.43 | rixth | Help anyone? |
| 02:58.46 | bob2 | student: for a start, explain in what way it isn;t working, then paste the .xsession to #flood |
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| 02:58.58 | bob2 | rixth: does it affect other users? |
| 02:59.17 | rixth | I'm the only user (I'll try as root) It was working fine 2 mintues ago |
| 02:59.24 | student | ok, im using gdm and thought that that I could just put the programs I need run in the user's .xsession |
| 02:59.30 | dealahog | ok i posted thanks |
| 02:59.43 | nvz | vs_zach__: I dont know of any others. but kpackage from my experience wants to install everything right then and there, in a real package manager, you can mark stuff to be installed, then apply changes all at once. Waiting for foo to install when you want to install foo and bar is a pain in the ass. |
| 02:59.43 | rixth | bob2: works fine for root, I've already tried a restart |
| 03:00.07 | maher | dealahog: have you set the log level to debug in cups.conf |
| 03:00.07 | student | when I start fluxbox for example there is no pager or term |
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| 03:00.36 | bob2 | student: ~/.xsession only takes effect if you select "debian session" from gdm |
| 03:00.39 | nvz | vs_zach__: other than that, and the fact its a KDE app, I really dont have any other beef with it. |
| 03:00.45 | student | o |
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| 03:01.07 | student | how can I get stuff to star if I use fluxbox |
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| 03:01.23 | SerpentWolf | sleep is in order, while apt-get is suffering on.... |
| 03:01.27 | bob2 | student: 13:00:38 bob2 | student: ~/.xsession only takes effect if you select "debian session" from gdm |
| 03:01.49 | wing-nut | hey can anyone tell me how to automatically start a sh script upon boot? |
| 03:01.57 | nvz | student: bob2: its called "Default" in the session menu IIRC |
| 03:02.03 | bob2 | wing-nut: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 03:02.03 | SerpentWolf | wing-nut init scripts |
| 03:02.21 | wing-nut | o o, yes i want to learn about rc.local |
| 03:02.34 | kaplanfx | the debian x-server is not evdev enabled? |
| 03:02.34 | wing-nut | I didn't know debian had rc scripts too |
| 03:02.39 | nvz | student: you would put the commands you wish to start, probably with an & at the end of each line to run them in the background, then run your wm, fluxbox in the foreground |
| 03:02.39 | bob2 | this "o" crap is annoying |
| 03:02.43 | cafuego | kaplanfx: Not to my knowledge, no. |
| 03:02.52 | wing-nut | my apologies |
| 03:02.59 | vs_zach__ | why wont my apt source change work |
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| 03:03.08 | cafuego | o o, what "o" crap? |
| 03:03.09 | kaplanfx | cafuego: doh, my mx1000 just got here |
| 03:03.11 | rixth | bob2, what causes Segmentation Faults? |
| 03:03.16 | vs_zach__ | i edited /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:03.22 | bob2 | rixth: lots of things |
| 03:03.22 | nvz | cafuego: o o, I was wondering the same thing. |
| 03:03.23 | cafuego | kaplanfx: Hmmyeh, same issue with my MX700 |
| 03:03.25 | bob2 | god |
| 03:03.27 | vs_zach__ | and i did apt-get update |
| 03:03.32 | bob2 | #debian is such a time sink |
| 03:03.33 | student | but where do I put them to start? |
| 03:03.36 | cafuego | o o, bob2: yes? |
| 03:03.47 | kaplanfx | cafuego: is there a way to request that the maintainers build with evdev support? |
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| 03:03.54 | wing-nut | bob2: so do i just copy and paste my .sh file contents into rc.local? |
| 03:04.02 | bob2 | wing-nut: um, no |
| 03:04.12 | vs_zach__ | but when i try to install the firefox package (in that source i edited it with) it wont work |
| 03:04.25 | bob2 | god |
| 03:04.28 | bob2 | can you be more useless? |
| 03:04.32 | cafuego | kaplanfx: I think it requires a patch 9for XF86 anyway) - but you could file a bug of severity feature request. |
| 03:04.35 | bob2 | "it wont work"!!!11 omg lolz |
| 03:04.49 | vs_zach__ | me ? |
| 03:05.02 | bob2 | vs_zach__: yes |
| 03:05.10 | bob2 | vs_zach__: if you want help, you need to put some small amount of effort in |
| 03:05.19 | vs_zach__ | i have |
| 03:05.20 | wing-nut | bob2: so.. how would i format rc.local to start this script? |
| 03:05.21 | bob2 | vs_zach__: explain EXACTLY what you did. that means pasting config files to #floods |
| 03:05.25 | bob2 | er, #flood |
| 03:05.29 | bob2 | wing-nut: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 03:05.40 | bob2 | wing-nut: you'll note, if you read it, that Debian doesn't have rc.local |
| 03:05.45 | c4_ | ~# beep -f 1000 -l 1000 doesn't work, do i need something from kernel? |
| 03:05.48 | bob2 | vs_zach__: also, explain EXACTLY what isn't working |
| 03:05.56 | nvz | I think I'll go have a smoke for bob2... heh |
| 03:06.05 | bob2 | vs_zach__: ie, say what should happen, what does happen, and why you think it's wrong |
| 03:06.15 | kaplanfx | cafuego: nah it looks like its a patch, I doubt the maintainers would go for it. |
| 03:06.15 | bob2 | vs_zach__: this almost always involves pasting output to #flood, too |
| 03:06.21 | vs_zach_ | ... |
| 03:06.29 | vs_zach_ | i didnt know where was a #flood |
| 03:06.49 | vs_zach_ | i am now |
| 03:06.49 | bob2 | but you didn't ask "how do I show you guys my config files?", anyway |
| 03:07.00 | vs_zach_ | im posting them now |
| 03:07.01 | cafuego | kaplanfx: i think it's being maintaied by daniel stone, who is on #ubuntu every now and then. See if you can convince him to enable evdev in Xorg once Etch is released. |
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| 03:08.00 | nvz | I wonder.. /me checks the bts |
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| 03:09.43 | vs_zach_ | bob2: i posted |
| 03:10.09 | rixth | bob2; a reinstall didn't finx that error |
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| 03:10.20 | bob2 | shockingly |
| 03:10.30 | maher | vs_zach_: what's wrong with using mozilla-firefox intesting |
| 03:10.46 | rixth | Atleast, what does that error relate to? Video, sound, graphics? |
| 03:10.56 | bob2 | who knows |
| 03:11.01 | bob2 | it's probably a corrupt config file |
| 03:11.11 | bob2 | you can "fix" it by moving your ~/.firefox dir out of the way |
| 03:11.19 | yoshio_ | _keroppi_: do you have the blackdown.org jvm stuff installed? |
| 03:11.27 | cafuego | Oh deary me |
| 03:11.50 | rixth | I don't even have that dir |
| 03:12.37 | bob2 | orwhatever it's calle |
| 03:12.38 | bob2 | d |
| 03:12.45 | rixth | Oh, it's under .mozilla |
| 03:12.46 | bob2 | ~/.mozilla/firefox/, maybe |
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| 03:13.13 | bob2 | cafuego: so, telstra finally actually had a look at my line, after 3 months of complaining...and it turns out the connections between the house and the cable were rusty |
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| 03:13.42 | nvz | I wonder why the hell when I type "sudo apt-get install k3b" apt-listbugs feels the need to tell me about bug #280440 which is closed. I mean I had just went to the BTS to see if it was resolved, and if I could resume using K3b.. but I dont understand why apt-listbugs feels its important to bug me with closed bugs |
| 03:13.43 | cafuego | bob2: Typical. Static and crap DSL? |
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| 03:13.54 | bob2 | cafuego: yup |
| 03:14.03 | nvz | s/280/289/ |
| 03:14.07 | bob2 | cafuego: so my dsl has been up for a whole 2 hours now |
| 03:14.12 | bob2 | which is something of a record |
| 03:14.28 | BucWheat | anyone ever use sqledger? |
| 03:14.42 | nvz | BucWheat: not even the people who use it :P |
| 03:14.49 | cafuego | bob2: Couple of months ago during that downpour here our phone line went odd, turned out the little connection pit got flooded and pretty much wiped out phone lines for this block; they got someone to replace and waterproof the whole thing within 2 hours <heh> |
| 03:15.04 | SerpentWolf | using pon to connect dsl, "persist" option will make it reconnect f something happens right? |
| 03:15.09 | BucWheat | nvz heh. i'm looking for some accounting software |
| 03:15.16 | cafuego | bob2: In related (and EXCELLENT) news, Internode will be installing an ADSL2 DSLAM in my exchange Q3 2005 |
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| 03:15.32 | cafuego | bob2: 12Mbit/1Mbit @ 79.95 |
| 03:15.46 | nvz | BucWheat: like GNUcash accounting? as in money, finances? |
| 03:16.31 | Azar | guys how reliable is this kernel upgrade tutorial, I am truing to apply every word on my learning to upgrade the kernel the Debian way: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-post-install.en.html#s-kernel-baking |
| 03:16.38 | BucWheat | nvz yea. exactly i need to be able to print checks too |
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| 03:16.53 | BucWheat | nvz like you can do in Intuit QuickBooks |
| 03:19.14 | Azar | I am a little scared to apply such like -MKIMAGE-'mkramfs %s %s > /dev/null" I am not familiar with ROMFS, CRAMFS |
| 03:19.29 | nvz | BucWheat: well there is fibusql, which seems less featured than the one you mean, which is sql-ledger, not sqledger |
| 03:19.41 | jim | Azar: my advice: create kernel packages of a known working kernel with known working source/driver configuration |
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| 03:19.52 | nvz | BucWheat: fibusql says it doesnt do tax accounts, where sql-ledger says it does |
| 03:19.52 | jim | azar: do that first |
| 03:19.53 | CryptoDebian | how do I save this setting on my IRC client in order for next time to have a instant access? |
| 03:20.15 | asg | CryptoDebian: /save (if you use irssi-text) |
| 03:20.27 | jim | CryptoDebian: read the docs of your irc client.... (how can we know what you got if you don't tell us :) |
| 03:20.38 | Azar | jim I have never created packages before and the manual tells me words I never learned |
| 03:20.57 | jim | Azar: have you ever compiled a kernel? |
| 03:20.59 | BucWheat | nvz i'm going to install debian on an extra box here and try this sql-ledger out. |
| 03:21.00 | CryptoDebian | Visual IRC 2.0 |
| 03:21.04 | nvz | BucWheat: sql-ledger certainly sounds like it can do what you want. says it can generate "Invoices, Packing List, Income Statement, Balance Sheet, Sales and Purchase Order, Statements, Receipts and Checks" from templates |
| 03:21.16 | Azar | jim, yes I did but never bothered with initrd and packages |
| 03:21.19 | BucWheat | nvz i'll let you know once i print my first check :) |
| 03:21.21 | CryptoDebian | it says Unknown Command with /save |
| 03:21.24 | asg | CryptoDebian: then see jim's advice |
| 03:21.40 | jim | Azar: so you have also configured kernel source? |
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| 03:22.05 | Azar | jim yes, the way friends here and there told me how because I do not understand the manuals |
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| 03:22.16 | CryptoDebian | na, I had enough to read all Debian manuals, HowTo's and what not to read now IRC docs for a single thing |
| 03:22.37 | Azar | jim it is been 2 years I am trying to learn Debian |
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| 03:22.51 | Azar | jim I did like 43 installs, and 10 kernel upgrades |
| 03:22.56 | nvz | I need some kind of freakin run dialog I can bind to a command in sawfish.. I am getting tired of needing to run something thats X based, and not in my menu. I dont like having to start up xterms all the time. |
| 03:22.58 | Azar | but not the Debian way |
| 03:23.04 | asg | CryptoDebian: then don't use a braindead irc client |
| 03:23.05 | jim | Azar: ok,,, so far, we -know- you have requsite knowledge to use kernel-package... I'll tell you ablut that momentaril |
| 03:23.09 | FieldySnuts | @lart asg |
| 03:23.19 | Azar | thank you jim |
| 03:23.31 | CryptoDebian | asg what is brainlive IRC? |
| 03:23.53 | asg | FieldySnuts: badgers? |
| 03:23.54 | hacim | anyone gotten sound to work on a thinkpad 600e? |
| 03:24.04 | jim | Azar: so, there is a package called kernel-package (you can apt-get it now) |
| 03:24.12 | asg | CryptoDebian: 9am - 6pm EST |
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| 03:24.25 | Azar | yes I did apt-cache searched and found it |
| 03:24.26 | nvz | hacim: ask google. http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+on+thinkpad+600e |
| 03:24.32 | jim | Azar: it comes with a command, "make-kpkg" which is kinda like make |
| 03:24.44 | Azar | ok |
| 03:24.45 | yaaar | is sarge production worthy? i'm extremely scared of the line in the description of 'testing' that says "Please note that security updates for "testing" distribution are not managed by the security team. Hence, "testing" does not get security updates in a timely manner." |
| 03:24.46 | jim | it's like make in that it has targets like make |
| 03:24.46 | hacim | nvz: unfortunately all the google advice has not worked :O |
| 03:24.48 | nvz | hacim: or be _SPECIFIC_ chipsets, kernel version, what you've tried, and where it went wrong. |
| 03:24.54 | debboy | i'm getting very frustrated with make-kpkg. |
| 03:24.59 | yaaar | but on the other hand, woody just seemed crazily old |
| 03:25.03 | asg | yaaar: it gets them, mostly, within 2 - 10 days |
| 03:25.06 | debboy | dpkg-source -x kernel-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-5.dsc |
| 03:25.15 | debboy | cd in there |
| 03:25.25 | debboy | make menuconfig |
| 03:25.33 | debboy | load up previously make custom config |
| 03:25.39 | asg | yaaar: if you are uncomfortable managing the risk of running sarge in production, use woody until sarge is stable. |
| 03:25.44 | jim | debboy: then try this: make-kpkg --targets |
| 03:26.17 | karsten | yaaar: or consider ubuntu |
| 03:26.19 | nvz | hacim: that link I just gave you, says to use the CS4232 driver. |
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| 03:26.57 | hacim | nvz: apparantly I've got a Cirrus Logic CS 4610/11 chipset, apparantly modprobe snd-cs46xx index=0 port=0x530 cport=0x538 sb_port=0x220 fm_port=0x388 irq=11 dma1=0 dma2=1 enable=1 isapnp=0 loads the module, but cat /proc/asound/cards shows no soundcards and alsamixer shows the error: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 03:27.01 | jim | Azar: to see what targets make-kpkg has defined, try make-kpkg --targets |
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| 03:27.19 | hacim | nvz: yeah, hotplug tries to use cs4232, and I've tried manually, but when I try that module I get an error: |
| 03:27.47 | jim | Azar: the basic deal is this: you get the kernel source, configure the kernel source, then use make-kpkg to do the build. |
| 03:27.59 | Azar | jim , what do I need to install (tool-wise) before jumping from 2.4.18 to 2.6.8 ? |
| 03:28.01 | bob2 | cafuego: baaaaaaaaaaah |
| 03:28.09 | cat | mr bob2 |
| 03:28.11 | hacim | nvz: "create - never read code ready from AC'97" / "it is not probably bug, try to use CS4236 driver" / "Sound Fusion CS46xx: probe of 0000:00:06.0 failed with error -5" |
| 03:28.13 | nvz | hacim: this link is for Debian specifically: http://condor.depaul.edu/~jkristof/debian-tp600e.html and takes it a step further, and I quote... "cs4232 0x530 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0" |
| 03:28.14 | stew | Azar: what version of debian are you on? |
| 03:28.17 | bob2 | cafuego: there's no schedule for mine yet, unfortunately |
| 03:28.19 | asg | bob2: harold the killer sheep? |
| 03:28.20 | jim | make-kpkg them does the build and packages the result; look in .. |
| 03:28.36 | Azar | stew, I am on Woody unstable therefore jumped to 3.1 |
| 03:28.40 | jim | Azar: end of high-level summary... |
| 03:28.41 | cat | bob2: can u give me a hand with gmix i'm getting this error Sorry, No mixer elements and/or devices found any ideas bob2 ? |
| 03:28.49 | asg | Azar: Woody unstable? |
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| 03:28.51 | stew | Azar: woody unstable? |
| 03:28.57 | Azar | asg, stew, yes |
| 03:28.57 | stew | oh boy |
| 03:29.02 | stew | Azar: what does that mean? |
| 03:29.03 | asg | Azar: there is no such thing |
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| 03:29.10 | asg | Azar: unless you mean /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 03:29.10 | Azar | I needed gcc3.3 before going to a higher kernel |
| 03:29.11 | hacim | nvz: same result :P |
| 03:29.11 | jim | woody is stable at this moment :) |
| 03:29.19 | bob2 | cat: bleh |
| 03:29.21 | cat | any ideas bob2 ? |
| 03:29.25 | nvz | hacim: it shows usage of 4 sound modules with perameters |
| 03:29.30 | nvz | hacim: 3rd hit on google |
| 03:29.31 | cat | i have permission on the audio grou |
| 03:29.31 | cat | p |
| 03:29.33 | bob2 | cat: it means what it says |
| 03:29.35 | _keroppi_ | yoshio_: Nope, don't have it installed, why? |
| 03:29.35 | debboy | back to kernel compilation. thats very interesting, but, i'm already following the instructions given. |
| 03:29.39 | debhead | is there a detailed howto to get alsa set up on sarge? |
| 03:29.42 | cat | bob2: what can i do to fixed this?? |
| 03:29.43 | _keroppi_ | yoh: I have eclipse now though... |
| 03:29.45 | debboy | then, i did: make-kpkg clean |
| 03:29.45 | jim | so if you have a woody from before woody was released, you should apt-get upgrade |
| 03:29.46 | bob2 | cat: it thinks you're using alsa, and you're not. or vice verse |
| 03:29.53 | Azar | asg, I installed Debian woody 3.0r2, then set the sources to unstable and did update/upgrade |
| 03:29.53 | bob2 | cat: more than one '?' = /ignore |
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| 03:30.03 | Azar | now when I log in it say Debian Linux 3.1 |
| 03:30.03 | Award | off-topic: Can any of you with an aperture grille monitor (has the thin lines running through it at each 1/3 of the screen) comment on how clear text quality is (say in mozilla, or xterm, rxvt, etc in X?) , especially at 1600x1200+? |
| 03:30.05 | cat | bob2: well everthing is working but gmix is not working at all, |
| 03:30.07 | asg | Azar: then you bobbitted yourself. Bravo! |
| 03:30.13 | cat | kmix is working aumix is working but gmix doesn't work |
| 03:30.13 | debboy | then what? i'd like .custom.1.0 on the end. |
| 03:30.18 | jim | Azar: ohh,,, then you don't have woody anymore |
| 03:30.26 | debboy | make-kpkg --append_to_version=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 03:30.31 | Azar | jim I assume I am in my way to sid |
| 03:30.32 | asg | Azar: or you are now running sid fully. |
| 03:30.44 | debboy | and it complains about the freaking debian changelog |
| 03:30.45 | Azar | hmm |
| 03:30.46 | Azar | ok |
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| 03:30.53 | bob2 | Award: I'd imgagine that would vary per-monitor |
| 03:30.54 | Azar | I will reinstall Woody tomorrow |
| 03:31.03 | debboy | "i thought we were creating 2.6.10, but i thought it was 2.6.10custom.1.0" ?? |
| 03:31.08 | nvz | hacim: well I have answered your inital question, that you've repeated here. Yes someone has gotten sound to work on a thinkpad 600e, I've given you links with step by step walk throughs. you need to provide much more content if you need help here. You are just wasting your time with this nothing can help me attitude and lack of details |
| 03:31.12 | stew | Azar: btw you cannot run 2.6 on woody |
| 03:31.12 | Azar | I only need to learn the proper way , the Debian way of upgrading a kernel |
| 03:31.19 | Azar | not that I NEED a new kernel |
| 03:31.21 | jim | Azar: if you already upgraded after going to unstable, you have unstable aka sid... |
| 03:31.22 | asg | stew: you can with some backports |
| 03:31.23 | Azar | I just want to learn |
| 03:31.29 | asg | stew: not recommended though |
| 03:31.31 | stew | asg: i know... |
| 03:31.36 | debhead | ? |
| 03:31.47 | cat | how can u changed the kernel version with out compiling |
| 03:31.51 | Award | bob2: The specifics would, definitely, but I'm trying to figure out a cursory overview ove the technologies first :). Even contacting ViewSonic directly (the specific units I'm looking at) has me thoroughly confused :) |
| 03:31.56 | asg | cat: install a new kernel |
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| 03:31.57 | jim | Azar: so you have the high level summary (configure kernel source, run make-kpkg to build kernel then package result) |
| 03:32.04 | Azar | jim alas, yes I was trying to get irssi and it was giving me a no no message, and I thought I needed unstable for it |
| 03:32.07 | jim | what do you want to know? |
| 03:32.07 | cat | asg: do i have to compile? |
| 03:32.09 | stew | cat: apt-get install kernel-image-... |
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| 03:32.19 | asg | cat: apt-get install kernel-image (pick one that suits and install it) |
| 03:32.24 | bob2 | Award: my trinitron has fuzzy text, but I don't know if that's a general thing or not |
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| 03:32.34 | jim | do you not want unstable? |
| 03:32.35 | cat | ok asg and what do i have to do to changed the name and the version? |
| 03:32.45 | Azar | ok |
| 03:32.48 | Azar | jim |
| 03:32.51 | Award | bob2: As I understand it, AG has darker blacks and more vivid colors, but is blurrier for text, and SM is sharper, but duller in colors. ViewSonic agrees with that, but then says that you can only really tell the difference if you compare side by side etc. |
| 03:32.55 | Azar | I do not know anymore what I want :) |
| 03:32.58 | hacim | nvz: I'm not giving you attitude, I have tried that condor.depaul.edu page, and I have found that it is old, I was reviewing to make sure I did everything it said |
| 03:32.58 | Award | bob2: Hmh, that does seem consistant with what I've heard. |
| 03:33.01 | asg | cat: apt-get install kernel-image will provide a list of available debian kernels. Pick one from the list and apt-get install it. |
| 03:33.07 | hacim | nvz: I can provide any details necessary |
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| 03:33.10 | nvz | for a minute there I thought I was going to like grun, then I type k3b and hit enter and fucking k3bsetup runs!! gods I hate fucking auto completion |
| 03:33.13 | Azar | I just want to get a nice Debian-way kernel upgrade experience |
| 03:33.16 | asg | cat: if what you want is not on the list, you will have to compile your own from vanilla sources |
| 03:33.19 | cat | ok but my question is how to changed the kernel version and name asg |
| 03:33.20 | Award | bob2: The bad part is I deal with text and graphics about equally, so either one is a sacrifice :). |
| 03:33.24 | jim | Azar: that's fair... do you want to figure that part out before going on? |
| 03:33.27 | cat | asg: i will just download it from kernel.org |
| 03:33.39 | Azar | jim, can I pm you, I am getting a little dizzy |
| 03:33.40 | asg | cat: /msg dpkg kp (man make-kpkg) |
| 03:33.55 | kaplanfx | dpkg: evdev |
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| 03:34.00 | Award | bob2: Graphics via gaming, movies, game development, etc. Text because I'm a programmer...so I'm about 50/50 split :) |
| 03:34.03 | stew | cat: apt-cache search kernel-image ; pick one ; apt-get install it |
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| 03:34.08 | jim | only problem with that is I might have to leave suddenly |
| 03:34.09 | bob2 | Award: hah |
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| 03:34.16 | bob2 | Award: must say I much prefer my laptop lcd nowadays |
| 03:34.17 | cat | stew: yeah but i want to changed the kernel name that's the thing |
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| 03:34.28 | Azar | jim, may I? |
| 03:34.32 | asg | cat: erm, why? |
| 03:34.33 | nvz | hacim: you need to specify verbatim info about the sound adapter from lspci, and what kernel you are using, and what specifically you have tried and what went wrong. that link http://condor.depaul.edu/~jkristof/debian-tp600e.html shows detailed usage of 4 OSS drivers and he says it works fine. |
| 03:34.38 | Award | bob2: I'd love the color boost from the AG, but I'm getting the feeling that for text purposes I'm stuck on SM (which *IS* considerably cheaper, so it's not a total loss ;) ) |
| 03:34.46 | cat | asg because i want to (: |
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| 03:35.12 | Award | bob2: Hehe yeah, LCD is the best for text, but is pitiful for graphics (slow refresh except on uber-expensive units, and fixed resolution wreaks havoc on graphics) :) |
| 03:35.18 | jim | as long as you accept that we might not finish, and therefore you might have to start over, I have no problem with it... main thing: don't overly depend on me |
| 03:35.22 | asg | cat: then compile your own or hack uname(1) to return whatever bogus tripe you want displayed. |
| 03:35.25 | debboy | i just tried: make-kpkg --revision=2.6.10.custom.1.0 kernel_image and it fails on 'no rule to make target 'conf_vars' ?? |
| 03:35.30 | bob2 | Award: how is the fixed resolution a downside? |
| 03:35.31 | nvz | hacim: I've never even seen this laptop, and got one foot out the door.. I am going to believe 27,300 hits on google of succesws stories over your one unsuccessful story |
| 03:35.33 | debboy | i followed the readme, wtf? |
| 03:35.37 | Azar | ok I have read the manual recomendation of downloading/installing kernel-package then I went to read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package READMES |
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| 03:35.47 | cat | asg: the question is how to hack the uname |
| 03:35.52 | jim | debboy: are you in the kernel source dir when you run that? |
| 03:35.54 | kbs | Hello, have some trouble with getting smbfs to properly work. [Using 2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel on testing.] I'm able to run the command successfully, but the mounted directory always gives "No permission", when I attempt to ls it. [samba newbie, please let me know what additional information will help debug this problem] |
| 03:35.59 | nvz | hacim: you need to try again to show someone here a problem worth yours and their time. |
| 03:36.00 | Azar | there are some new , unknown for me hacks into getting 2.6 work with Woody |
| 03:36.01 | bob2 | cat: you don't ever "hack the uname" |
| 03:36.05 | debboy | jim yep |
| 03:36.09 | jim | hmm |
| 03:36.11 | asg | cat: don't, the kernel's name is not at all important. Just put something fruity and fun in /etc/motd and be happy |
| 03:36.13 | jim | should work |
| 03:36.13 | bob2 | any plan that involves that is broken |
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| 03:36.21 | Award | bob2: though tey don't even make many LCDs that do more than 1600x1200 (and I BARELY consider that high res these days), and most of those are over $1500 :) |
| 03:36.23 | stew | asg: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 03:36.26 | stew | err |
| 03:36.29 | stew | Azar: ^^^ |
| 03:36.31 | asg | stew: I'd rather not ;) |
| 03:36.34 | nvz | hacim: or try gather details, submit to a debian mailing list, like debian's laptop and user list.. and wait 6-24 hours or so |
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| 03:36.43 | stew | asg: i think i owed you that one from a few minutes ago or somehting :) |
| 03:36.46 | debboy | jim i know, its VERY frustrating |
| 03:36.49 | Azar | stew, I had issues with bunk packages in the past |
| 03:36.55 | jim | Azar: so long as you agree to that, /msg away |
| 03:36.58 | asg | stew: hehe, indeed. |
| 03:37.08 | Azar | thank you jim |
| 03:37.17 | Award | bob2: Games and various other things tend to prefer lesser resolutions (and some design platforms), and scaling gets very ugly (it's improving, but it's not there yet), and again, the resolutions aren't quite high enough for my liking yet :) |
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| 03:37.30 | cat | asg: yeah but that doesn't changed the version thing on my client (: |
| 03:37.37 | jcarr | I am running php4.3.10 in the latest sid... |
| 03:37.41 | Award | bob2: My ideal would be a good aperture grille CRT for graphics and a big high res LCD for text, but I neither desire to spend over $2000 on monitors, nor do I have the desk space ;) |
| 03:37.45 | jcarr | I apt-get install php4-curl, and restart |
| 03:37.48 | jcarr | but no curl :( |
| 03:37.49 | yaaar | does woody run well with a 2.6 kernel and udev/hotplug and whatnot? |
| 03:37.51 | asg | cat: version thing? what are your typing to generate said version thing |
| 03:37.54 | asg | jcarr: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:38.02 | jcarr | the binary is there.. the php functionality is not |
| 03:38.05 | Empty | WTH: "grep -P '\S' service (newline) grep: The -P option is not supported" Why is it not supported? |
| 03:38.07 | cat | asg: i just want to changed the kernel name and that's it and get it over with |
| 03:38.09 | hacim | nvz: I did that, but I will do it again. lspci tells me that I am using a Cirrus Logic CS 4610/11 CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator, I am using the debian kernel 2.6.10-1-686, the depaul site only shows detailed usage of ONE driver, not 4, and when I follow his steps I end up where I am now |
| 03:38.24 | jcarr | heh |
| 03:38.26 | jcarr | great |
| 03:38.27 | asg | jcarr: then check /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and see if the extension for curl exists and is uncommented. |
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| 03:38.34 | stew | yaaar: stock woody doesn't run 2.6 at all |
| 03:38.35 | gach | hi |
| 03:38.39 | asg | cat: which *name*? |
| 03:38.45 | gach | i need some help |
| 03:38.48 | asg | cat: paste a sample of the name you are on about |
| 03:38.48 | sls | on the topic of installation... is it possible to install debian unattended... for large scale deployments |
| 03:38.50 | sls | ? |
| 03:38.50 | cat | 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 03:38.51 | jcarr | stew, stock woody runs what? 2.2? |
| 03:38.55 | jcarr | 1.2? |
| 03:38.55 | karsten | !tell gach about ask |
| 03:38.57 | jcarr | :) |
| 03:38.58 | asg | cat: and you want to change it to what? |
| 03:39.00 | gach | can someone tell me how to disable dosfscheck on boot time? |
| 03:39.11 | cat | i wanted it to say deb.2.6.8-1-386 |
| 03:39.16 | debboy | i can't even find WHERE it wants conf_vars !!! |
| 03:39.18 | debboy | wtf? |
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| 03:39.28 | asg | cat: then /msg dpkg kp ; man make-kpkg |
| 03:39.35 | bob2 | omg lolz!111 |
| 03:39.41 | gach | please |
| 03:39.43 | stew | jcarr: 2.2.20 or 2.4.18, or compile a newer 2.2 or 2.4 yourself |
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| 03:39.50 | gach | i need to disable that thing |
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| 03:39.58 | gach | it bothers the hell out of me |
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| 03:40.05 | asg | !tell otsego about root |
| 03:40.09 | asg | again |
| 03:40.15 | karsten | gach: man 5 fstab. 'pass' == 0 should avoid fsck. |
| 03:40.17 | hacim | nvz: if you'll notice the first hit on google about this problem talks about how it took this guy 7 weeks to get sound working, and details a number of other people with similar problems, much of it has to do with the CS423x chips claiming to be PnP but also are standalone. |
| 03:40.23 | EvanCarroll | Is there a reason why installing kdb, removes console-tools? |
| 03:40.29 | bob2 | no |
| 03:40.33 | bob2 | apt did it by magic |
| 03:40.35 | EvanCarroll | How else do i change my console font |
| 03:40.41 | bob2 | or do you mean "what's the reason ..."? |
| 03:40.43 | karsten | EvanCarroll: look at the package and its deps. |
| 03:40.49 | gach | karsten... pass is the firts or the second after options? |
| 03:40.56 | karsten | gach: man 5 fstab |
| 03:41.03 | karsten | gach: sixth field. |
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| 03:41.19 | claviola | does anyone know how to get all of that pppoe snafu fixed? |
| 03:41.25 | karsten | gach: You should comment your fstab so the info's there: # <filesys> <mt pt> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 03:41.38 | gach | ok |
| 03:41.41 | gach | the last one |
| 03:41.45 | gach | but i got all on 0 |
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| 03:42.02 | gach | and still the fs check is on boot time |
| 03:42.27 | nvz | hacim: have you yet tried the ALSA cs46xx driver? the OSS website doesnt show support for that card, where the ALSA site does. |
| 03:42.37 | karsten | gach: OK. I'm sort of stabbing in the dark, I *thought* that would do it. |
| 03:42.51 | karsten | gach: The fsck is run from /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh. I'm reading that now. |
| 03:43.00 | yoshio_ | sls: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 03:43.05 | gach | yeah karsten |
| 03:43.14 | gach | i thought it will be somewhere on init.d |
| 03:43.16 | nvz | hacim: rgrep cs46 /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 03:43.16 | karsten | gach: You *can* create /fastboot to avoid _any_ checks, but you probably don't want that. |
| 03:43.22 | nvz | hacim: should find the exact module name |
| 03:43.40 | gach | karsten-.... what kind of "any checks" do you refer |
| 03:44.04 | karsten | gach: fsck on your other drives. |
| 03:44.16 | karsten | gach: Even with journaled FS, they should be checked periodically. |
| 03:44.17 | RedPenguin | I have a Jazz 16 sound card (ISA), and the kernel seems to notice it when I pick the driver it says for it which is SB compatiable |
| 03:44.19 | RedPenguin | But it says |
| 03:44.26 | hacim | nvz: yes, I've tried the cs46xx driver, with and without isapnp=0 and isapnp=1 and with different IRQs |
| 03:44.31 | RedPenguin | Sound: DMA (output) timed out |
| 03:44.35 | karsten | gach: ...also, your dosfsck should *not* run normally unless the FS was uncleanly umounted. |
| 03:44.35 | gach | well i got and ext3 fs that... it normally doesnt have any probles karsten |
| 03:44.36 | RedPenguin | Plus some more information |
| 03:44.48 | nvz | I'll be back shortly, I need to go out for a walk before it gets any later. |
| 03:44.48 | RedPenguin | I have no idea what to look at though in this case |
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| 03:44.57 | karsten | gach: Put my name at start of line, that highlights it in my IRC client. |
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| 03:45.00 | yoshio_ | kbs: maybe sudo smbmount //machine/directory /mnt/smb -o "username=windowsuser,uid=unixuser,rw" |
| 03:45.14 | gach | karsten it always has run that way on my debian |
| 03:45.14 | karsten | gach: This _could_ be a bug in the checkfs script. |
| 03:45.15 | gach | always |
| 03:45.20 | debhead | ol' man is kicking me off of the system, later all |
| 03:45.29 | karsten | gach: ...If the sixth field is not present or zero, a value of zero |
| 03:45.36 | nvz | hacim: then you should really pull all your efforts together in an email to various debian mailing lists, they are very helpful in this situation, you reach a wider audience, and get less feedback of things you already tried. |
| 03:45.37 | asg | ol' man must need his pron fix |
| 03:45.40 | karsten | is returned and fsck will assume that the filesystem does not need to be checked. |
| 03:45.41 | Kerpal2_ | Ahh, who wants to make fun of M$ for winfs, which has taken 10 years.... Or does someone wanna give that OSS developor who is making SQLFS.. Ahh life is fuckin funny :) |
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| 03:45.45 | nvz | hacim: It's what got my first debian laptop functional. |
| 03:45.46 | gach | karsten maybe... and i do have it on 0 |
| 03:45.47 | karsten | gach: ...from man 5 fstab. |
| 03:45.53 | debboy | you won't believe it. touch conf_vars and away it goes |
| 03:46.04 | karsten | Is there a way to boot such that init.d scripts are run manually or stepped through? |
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| 03:46.16 | bob2 | Kerpal2_: it's pointless, just add hooks so you can index changes as they happen |
| 03:46.18 | hacim | nvz: hence the reason why I was hoping someone here had gotten sound to work on a 600e |
| 03:46.22 | asg | karsten: nafaik |
| 03:46.22 | bob2 | Kerpal2_: you could call it "inotify" or something |
| 03:46.31 | karsten | asg: ktx |
| 03:46.34 | asg | bob2: fam? |
| 03:46.36 | asg | karsten: np |
| 03:46.42 | gach | hey... |
| 03:46.54 | bob2 | asg: fam's icky, apparently |
| 03:46.58 | gach | karsten but i think that my fstab has all my fs on 0 |
| 03:47.10 | asg | bob2: yes |
| 03:47.14 | bob2 | asg: there's some replacement for it that can get notification fro mthe kernel when things change (inotify) |
| 03:47.18 | karsten | gach: I'm trying to think of ways to test this. |
| 03:47.19 | bob2 | start's with g |
| 03:47.19 | asg | bob2: same idea though |
| 03:47.21 | bob2 | yeah |
| 03:47.33 | gach | kartens thanks man |
| 03:47.44 | gach | woops |
| 03:47.56 | claviola | does anyone know how to get all of that pppoe snafu fixed? |
| 03:48.00 | asg | otsego: 1) do not /msg people without asking. 2) don't irc as root or you are more likely to be ... rooted. |
| 03:48.13 | gach | karsten i just double checked my fstab and you were wright |
| 03:48.28 | claviola | I've tried 'iface eth0 inet manual' in /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesn't seem enough for pppoe |
| 03:48.37 | gach | karsten sorry to bother you with such a silly question... thanks man ;) |
| 03:48.39 | karsten | gach: OK, looks as if the behavior is fsck itself. |
| 03:48.58 | karsten | gach: And you *should* check rootfs and other ext2/3 / linux FSs at boot. |
| 03:48.59 | gach | let me try again |
| 03:49.10 | karsten | gach: Are you on the box ATM? |
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| 03:49.15 | EvanCarroll | karsten: What am i looking for |
| 03:49.19 | gach | karsten yeah i leave them on 1 |
| 03:49.30 | karsten | EvanCarroll: The answer to life, the universe, and everything? |
| 03:49.37 | gach | karsten yeah i am |
| 03:49.44 | EvanCarroll | karsten: 42 |
| 03:49.54 | asg | how many paths must a man walk down? |
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| 03:50.13 | Kerpal2_ | bob2: I dunno, well imagine the power in a relational f.s. especially with sql like features.. Content that is versioned, different versions of libraries that co exist share a name, yet have multiple content selections.. the only bad stuff is stored procedures (would be cool, yet scary for hiding viruses), and then space filling up with one file that has be re-versioning a billion times.. but in a world of who gives a shit abou |
| 03:50.14 | EvanCarroll | karsten: ... the reason that kbd uninstalls console-tools and base-utils |
| 03:50.21 | gach | asg as many as is neccesary |
| 03:50.22 | karsten | gach: Suggestion: boot single-user ('single' at bootloader prompt, usually "maintenance" boot in GRUB). run 'fsck -A' manually at shell. See what FSs are checked. |
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| 03:50.43 | gach | karsten no.. let me try again with rebooting |
| 03:50.51 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Ah. Forgot about that. Um. In the package metadata for kbd, dependencies / conflicts. 'apt-cache show kbd' |
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| 03:50.54 | asg | gach: indeed. |
| 03:51.08 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Conflicts: console-utilities, kbd-data, open |
| 03:51.13 | karsten | EvanCarroll: That's probably it right there. |
| 03:51.19 | asg | gach: though you can optimize things with a little bribery and constructive violence |
| 03:51.27 | EvanCarroll | karsten: why would it want to uninstall two very important packages |
| 03:51.27 | gach | asg dont worry that is a thing with mankind... we always wanna know why we`re here |
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| 03:51.38 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Um. Because it conflicts with them. |
| 03:51.39 | bob2 | SQL doesn't do versioning |
| 03:51.44 | gach | asg not always... bad feelings only brings bad feelings |
| 03:51.46 | sime_ | i have compiled suspend-to-disk support into the kernel, now how can i tell it to suspend ? |
| 03:51.50 | bob2 | nor seperate namespaces |
| 03:51.56 | bob2 | sime_: read the instructions that came with it |
| 03:52.06 | karsten | EvanCarroll: Check changelogs or discussion on debian-devel for that package if you want more info. If you can't find it, ask the developer. |
| 03:52.07 | bob2 | (seriously) |
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| 03:52.09 | bob2 | or you will fuck up |
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| 03:52.33 | gach | asg you will never be happy with violence... hate and that kind of feelings |
| 03:52.56 | sime_ | bob2, /usr/src/linux/Documentation ? |
| 03:53.01 | bob2 | sime_: indeed |
| 03:53.02 | asg | gach: it was a joke |
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| 03:53.20 | gach | asg ahh ok... im kind of deep right now |
| 03:53.31 | asg | gach: yeah, no worries though |
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| 03:53.41 | gach | think is my study of man II on the university |
| 03:54.06 | karsten | sime_: IIRC it's acpid or sleepd packages. |
| 03:54.15 | asg | speaking of sleepd |
| 03:54.35 | stew | kill -1 asg |
| 03:54.46 | bob2 | 'night |
| 03:54.55 | gach | hey anyone knows why the gift package on debian doesnt have the giftd command? |
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| 03:55.06 | bob2 | er, it does |
| 03:55.12 | bob2 | dpkg -L gift | grep bin |
| 03:55.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching gift |
| 03:55.14 | karsten | bob2: It doesn't. |
| 03:55.23 | gach | bob2 it doesnt |
| 03:55.26 | karsten | gach: apt-cache show giftd |
| 03:55.35 | karsten | bob2: client/server seperate packages. |
| 03:55.47 | bob2 | oh, I assumed you'd get that bit right at least |
| 03:55.56 | karsten | gach: 'apt-cache search gift' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search giftd' |
| 03:56.04 | karsten | !tell gach about search |
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| 03:56.22 | gach | karsten yeahh i really need to got some command line done |
| 03:57.09 | RedPenguin | Where the heck did they stash modems in modconf? |
| 03:57.15 | RedPenguin | I am finding everything but modems |
| 03:57.20 | karsten | gach: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto |
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| 03:57.35 | bob2 | RedPenguin: modems don't use kernel modules |
| 03:57.42 | gach | karsten one million thanks again man |
| 03:57.47 | karsten | gach: NP. |
| 03:57.55 | karsten | gach: Got any currency behind that ;-) |
| 03:57.59 | mwilson | RedPenguin: Why would modems be in modconf? |
| 03:58.24 | gach | karsten i dont thinks "bolivares" will be of any use for you thought :) |
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| 03:58.42 | karsten | gach: bolivares? Bolivia? |
| 03:58.54 | gach | no men.... bolivares is venezuela |
| 03:59.00 | gach | bolivia are pesos i think |
| 03:59.04 | cat | where is the kernel located it at /usr/src? |
| 03:59.09 | karsten | gach: Ah. Um. That's sensible. |
| 03:59.10 | RedPenguin | Hmm |
| 03:59.23 | cat | the one u download with apt? |
| 03:59.23 | gach | cat the sources are on /usr/src |
| 03:59.29 | RedPenguin | My one system easily recognized my sound card but appearntlky my other one isn't PnP |
| 03:59.32 | karsten | RedPenguin: The only kernel support required for modems is basic serial support, which is usually compiled in. |
| 03:59.39 | gach | cat the kernel image? |
| 03:59.43 | cat | gach: yes |
| 03:59.49 | karsten | !tell RedPenguin about sound |
| 03:59.53 | gach | cat is on /usr/boot |
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| 03:59.59 | gach | cat sorry |
| 04:00.03 | gach | cat is on /boot |
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| 04:00.17 | cjfp | anyone able to help with gdb? |
| 04:00.25 | stew | cat: you installed a kernel-image package or a kernel-source package? |
| 04:00.27 | karsten | !tell cjfp about ask |
| 04:00.29 | cjfp | i can't get line number info or see source files |
| 04:00.31 | gach | cat is the one thatt has vmlinuz |
| 04:00.39 | shingouz | that was painful, getting the spca5xx driver compiled and running with a Creative Webcam Notebook |
| 04:01.11 | cjfp | karsten: good enough? other times people yell at me if i type out a big question. |
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| 04:01.33 | karsten | cjfp: Yeah, 'cept that I know zilch on gdb. |
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| 04:01.45 | drp | OFF TOPIC: what is AF_INET in comparison to PF_INET when creating a socket in C |
| 04:01.56 | bob2 | read the manpage |
| 04:01.56 | cjfp | karsten: sorry, i missed "Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo" |
| 04:01.57 | bob2 | or #c |
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| 04:01.59 | cjfp | my fault |
| 04:02.05 | karsten | cjfp: NP. |
| 04:02.17 | cat | gach: i can't see it with nano |
| 04:02.20 | cat | i'm getting weird fonts |
| 04:02.22 | drp | bob2: I asked in #c ... they're just ranting about how #c and #linux gets forwarded to ##.. |
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| 04:02.32 | bob2 | boohoo |
| 04:02.38 | cjfp | my problem is that when i attach gdb to my process i can't see line numbers in the source files |
| 04:02.40 | gach | cat if you installed a kernel-image package it should be there |
| 04:02.41 | bob2 | AF = address family, PF = packet family |
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| 04:02.52 | drp | bob2: thanks |
| 04:02.57 | cat | gach: i did installed it |
| 04:02.57 | RedPenguin | karsten, I see that now, I just installed some modems, and never really played with them before |
| 04:03.01 | cat | but i can't view the file |
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| 04:03.12 | gach | cat if you want to compile a kernel.... you got to download a kernel-source package |
| 04:03.14 | RedPenguin | In Linux that is |
| 04:03.15 | cat | i can but i get weird fonts |
| 04:03.22 | cat | gach: ok |
| 04:03.32 | bob2 | RedPenguin: if it's an actual modem, there's no driver |
| 04:03.37 | shingouz | cat: if you installed a kernel-image, it is binary thus not human readable |
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| 04:03.38 | cjfp | i've read all the manuals and tried using the "dir" command to add dirs to my source path |
| 04:03.39 | bob2 | RedPenguin: plug it in to your serial port, enjoy |
| 04:04.24 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: if you don't see line numbers, then you either didn't compile with -g, or you stripped the binaries. |
| 04:04.24 | karsten | RedPenguin: NP. |
| 04:04.27 | gach | cat what are you trying to do? |
| 04:04.30 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: you probably also want to compile with -O0 |
| 04:04.42 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: it is -O0 -pg |
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| 04:04.55 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: ok, and did you strip the binary? |
| 04:05.12 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: i don't know ... is the command "strip"? |
| 04:05.20 | cjfp | (grepping for strip) |
| 04:05.23 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: yes. |
| 04:05.50 | gach | karsten how good are you with bash scripts? |
| 04:05.51 | yoshio_ | cjfp: don't strip your binaries, the debug info goes away if you do |
| 04:05.56 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: (if this is a Debian package, it's stripped unless it's a -dbg package or you've used dh_strip) |
| 04:06.03 | cjfp | no i have source |
| 04:06.03 | karsten | gach: Fair. |
| 04:06.09 | RedPenguin | karsten, well hardware wise I shall have no problem |
| 04:06.13 | RedPenguin | Now my only problem |
| 04:06.14 | cjfp | i'm building it myself |
| 04:06.17 | RedPenguin | Is software wise |
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| 04:06.36 | gach | karsten... well im starting with it and i want an opinion from someone with expirience |
| 04:06.48 | karsten | gach: Shoot. |
| 04:07.20 | gach | karsten.. .how do i send you the file here on irc |
| 04:07.27 | gach | karsten (sorry im new at this) |
| 04:07.27 | cjfp | i'll try a small test program to see if gdb can debug that |
| 04:07.36 | karsten | !tell gach about flood |
| 04:07.38 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: well, then if you run nm -la on the binary; you'll see the line number information for each of the symbols. |
| 04:07.45 | guorker | how to spell Debian? |
| 04:07.46 | karsten | gach: You can paste to the website the bot just reference.d |
| 04:07.52 | karsten | guorker: Yes. |
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| 04:07.54 | dondelelcaro | exciting things like 088fb72e t aa_ci_line ../../../../../../extras/Mesa/src/swrast/s_aalinetemp.h:146 |
| 04:08.08 | guorker | Yes ? |
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| 04:08.19 | gach | ok |
| 04:08.20 | djperegrine | ok in wine I get |
| 04:08.21 | djperegrine | err:wave:OSS_WaveOutInit /dev/mixer1: No such device |
| 04:08.21 | djperegrine | err:wave:OSS_WaveInInit /dev/mixer1: No such device |
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| 04:08.23 | shingouz | guorker: you spelled Debian correctly |
| 04:08.26 | karsten | guorker: Yes. |
| 04:08.26 | djperegrine | on anything |
| 04:08.39 | karsten | djperegrine: You need sound modules loaded. |
| 04:08.51 | karsten | !tell djperegrine about sound |
| 04:08.58 | paster | "gach" at 201.248.65.191 pasted "the script for amsn-cvs" (22 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/335 |
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| 04:09.12 | guorker | heh |
| 04:09.20 | gach | karsten ir already works... but i want to make more user friendly |
| 04:09.31 | gach | karsten is very basic as you can see |
| 04:09.57 | jetscreamer | hey how do i cat the model# of an hd |
| 04:10.03 | karsten | gach: Such as? |
| 04:10.27 | gach | karsten such as what? |
| 04:10.29 | karsten | gach: I picked up scritping mostly from _UNIX in a Nutshell_ and _UNIX Power Tools_, both from O'Reilly. |
| 04:10.33 | guorker | and pronounce of the word Debian? |
| 04:10.35 | karsten | gach: Such as how better? |
| 04:10.53 | jetscreamer | gah.. even a simple question no answer |
| 04:10.56 | yoshio_ | jetscreamer: dmesg |grep hda |
| 04:10.58 | karsten | guorker: http://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+you+pronounce+debian |
| 04:10.58 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: yes, i see some names of source files with nm -la |
| 04:11.06 | TCW | not playable svcd > vcdxrip > svcd-mpg > vcdimager > cue/bin > cdrdao > working (playable) svcd... does anyone have an idea why that svcd was not playable? |
| 04:11.07 | gach | karsten i want to make it, so that people can rename the directory they want |
| 04:11.08 | jetscreamer | thankee yoshio_ |
| 04:11.16 | gach | karsten decide if they want to hide it or not |
| 04:11.26 | gach | karsten and a couple of other things |
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| 04:11.34 | djperegrine | ok like what? |
| 04:11.34 | djperegrine | oh like alsa-winelib or something |
| 04:11.34 | djperegrine | aptitude |
| 04:11.36 | gach | karsten the frist one is very easy |
| 04:11.36 | djperegrine | should work |
| 04:11.38 | TCW | But it was (is) playable in a standalone dvd player |
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| 04:11.42 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: ok, then it's not stripped, and if you're actually running the binary, and then break into a line of source that corresponds to your program, (*not* a library) you'll see the source lines. |
| 04:11.45 | bsims | quick question I am using dh_make to package the newest Pan CVS for my own use... it won't let me name the directory something sane like "pan-cvs.20050309" does version have to be numeric as I have seen unnoffical debs with alpha characters I think |
| 04:11.45 | karsten | gach: OK. Um. You also don't have to ask the user their home directory. It's ~$USER |
| 04:12.11 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: that's what i thought too... |
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| 04:12.11 | gach | karsten see why is good to ask somene who knows more than you? |
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| 04:12.30 | karsten | gach: Heh. As for directory: you can ask for input and create a directory based on it... |
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| 04:12.37 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: and in the past, i've been able to debug this app |
| 04:12.41 | karsten | gach: ...but you have to watch for bad inputs. |
| 04:13.05 | gach | karsten yeah i know |
| 04:13.08 | karsten | gach: Say somone says "foo/bar". You now need to do "mkdir -p foo/bar" to create both the parent and the subdir. |
| 04:13.28 | guorker | my english is not good ,and i only to know the pronunciation of debian? how can i say ? |
| 04:13.30 | karsten | gach: ...worse stuff can leave you overwriting files, etc. Who's using this script, how many people, what skills? |
| 04:13.32 | cjfp | hence, me asking clueless questions on #debian |
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| 04:14.04 | cjfp | it's not even a debian problem, i just don't know where to go -- #gcc is no good |
| 04:14.10 | gach | karsten me.... and a friend of mine... |
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| 04:14.28 | karsten | gach: Ok. Different deployment scenarios change the scope of the problem. |
| 04:14.34 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: do you see line numbers if you gdb foobin; then b somefunction; r? |
| 04:14.40 | apolonio | somebody now what file of /etc/init.d run hardwareclock ... because i have a problem with that. |
| 04:14.44 | gach | karsten but the ones i "-rf" is because i need to overwrite those files |
| 04:15.04 | dondelelcaro | apolonio: you mean hwclock? |
| 04:15.12 | karsten | apolonio: Um. /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh, maybe? |
| 04:15.17 | karsten | apolonio: man grep |
| 04:15.28 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: no, i tried with a silly test.c and i don't |
| 04:15.31 | djperegrine | I installed the package libwine-alsa |
| 04:15.35 | djperegrine | but it did nothing |
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| 04:15.55 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: are you attaching to the running program? or running it in the debugger? |
| 04:15.58 | karsten | gach: Yeah. You can do that if you know it's save to overwrite stuff. I prefer *not* writing if a file exists, unless I know damn sure well I should. |
| 04:16.15 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: see #past |
| 04:16.17 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: see #paste |
| 04:16.31 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: #flood is usually used... (or the pastebot) |
| 04:16.33 | cjfp | i mean #flood (i'm an idiot) |
| 04:16.39 | gach | karsten yeah i know damn well because i'm overwrite the old plugins with the new ones |
| 04:16.41 | karsten | gach: It's also good practice to specify PATH in your script, so someone doesn't invoke, say, /tmp/cp when you mean for them to use /bin/cp. |
| 04:16.49 | karsten | gach: ...particularly if /tmp/cp is someone's trojan / backdoor. |
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| 04:16.55 | karsten | gach: Heh. |
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| 04:17.23 | gach | karsten im kinda new didnt get the PATH stuff |
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| 04:17.42 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: actually, never mind, it works with test.c, i was forgetting -O0 -g there. |
| 04:17.57 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: so it must be something in the build process i don't understand for this project |
| 04:18.11 | meowdog | whats a good place to buy laptops in canada (ONLINE) that allow you to financing.. does anyone know if ebay allows financing at all or if any of the shops do.. |
| 04:18.23 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: could be... |
| 04:18.26 | jetscreamer | thanks again |
| 04:18.29 | yoshio_ | cjfp: what you are trying to do? |
| 04:18.31 | guorker | who cant talk with me |
| 04:18.37 | jim | if Azar has a unstable last upgraded three weeks ago, can he change his sources to point at sarge and upgrade now and get a moreorless sarge system? |
| 04:18.43 | cjfp | debug sablevm |
| 04:18.44 | gach | guorker i can |
| 04:18.50 | RedPenguin | I see some modem helps on the Internet |
| 04:18.53 | karsten | gach: Yeah, that's a sort of basic security measure. Another alternative is hardwiring all command specs, but IMO that's brittle and overkill. |
| 04:18.55 | dondelelcaro | meowdog: that's wildly OT for #debian... but odds are you won't be able to find a loan for equipment that isn't new. |
| 04:18.57 | RedPenguin | But I really don't see how you dial out |
| 04:19.18 | gach | karsten yeah the thing is meant to be as simple as posible |
| 04:19.53 | cjfp | yoshio_: i modified sablevm and i'm tired of instrumenting it, so i want to use gdb. |
| 04:20.04 | gach | karsten this is kinda practice cuz is my first script ever |
| 04:20.34 | cjfp | yoshio_: believe me, i would ask on #sablevm but nobody there can help me atm |
| 04:20.36 | gach | karsten and i really dont know anything about programming |
| 04:20.46 | guorker | hi ,gach! |
| 04:20.52 | karsten | gach: If you want to see other scripts: cd /usr/bin; file * | grep -i bash |
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| 04:21.06 | gach | guorker hi how are you doing? |
| 04:21.06 | dpkg | gach: pretty good. how about you? |
| 04:21.18 | karsten | gach: ...or 'file * | grep 'shell script' |
| 04:21.25 | karsten | gach: ...there should be lots of 'em. |
| 04:21.34 | gach | karsten thanks a lot men... really helpfull |
| 04:21.54 | djperegrine | how do I install the mixer to /dev/mixer1 |
| 04:21.59 | karsten | gach: Some of 'em are really long and hairy, some short and sweet. |
| 04:22.00 | djperegrine | my sound already works fine |
| 04:22.02 | guorker | it must what are you doing! |
| 04:22.04 | nvz | Occationally I will login to X and some of my programs in my .xsession will not be matched by sawfish, I figure it has to do with the speed at which they open. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can assure they are properly matched? currently I just have an aterm and links2 opening when I login, and they are suppose to be matched and placed in workspaces 1 and 2 respectivly, but when I logged in, links2 came up windowed and unmatched in wor |
| 04:22.56 | cjfp | yoshio_ or dondelelcaro: you could check out the same source code, but i don't expect you have that much time or inclination |
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| 04:24.15 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you should be able to start your session manager and have it launch those programs in specific workspaces (or use whatever option directs sawfish to stick them in the appropriate location) |
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| 04:25.15 | cjfp | i'm not actually a complete fool when it comes to development, i just don't know how to figure out what's going on here. |
| 04:25.40 | yoshio_ | cjfp: modified sablevm in what way? Is the instrumenting for profiling? |
| 04:26.27 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I do not use a session manager. they never work. I had used gnome-session before, but it tends to complicate things. Once I tried for the kid, matching tuxeyes --luxus and having it ignored on the desktop, however gnome session makes this tuxeyes --session blahblahblah, then next login, I get the command I specified starting up, as well as what gnome-session calls it. |
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| 04:26.51 | dondelelcaro | nvz: heh |
| 04:26.58 | cjfp | yoshio_: modified it for a Java research project. the instrumenting would be so i can find out why some supposedly unshared variable is getting clobbered in my multithreaded C code, but i've been gdb's watch would be a better solution... |
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| 04:27.22 | cjfp | s/i've been/i've been told/ |
| 04:27.46 | apolonio | karsten thnx |
| 04:27.51 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I login from gdm, and it uses the "default" session, which currently says like "aterm blah..& \n links2 -g google.com & \n sawfish" and it usually works, but sometimes things load out of order or something, and do not get matched |
| 04:28.27 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I really don't understand what the problem is even, because sawfish should match the window reguardless of if it starts before or after sawfish. |
| 04:28.50 | dondelelcaro | nvz: hrm. I don't use sawfish at all, so I can't really say. |
| 04:29.19 | yoshio_ | cjfp: multithreaded java code you mean? (you said C) |
| 04:29.54 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah. I do this because I want these two windows, my screen sessiona nd my links2, to appear full-screen sized, without a window, at the lower depth, and to have enter-exit focus, so I do not have to click on them all the time when I return from another app or workspace. |
| 04:30.26 | cjfp | yoshio_: sablevm is a jvm written in C. i'm modifying it to take single-threaded Java programs and speculatively multithread them. this means i start up my own helper pthreads and get them to interpret bytecode and buffer all the results (yada yada yada). |
| 04:30.46 | cjfp | s/results/unsafe memory operations/ |
| 04:30.58 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I am stuck using a crappy 14" monitor that with its factory specs, cannot run X at all.. I finagled it to run at 640x480, so I had reconfigured my xsession to take out any panels, and stuff I had used.. and tried to make the most comfortable session possible at this resolution |
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| 04:31.21 | cjfp | then these get committed when the non-speculative threads join them, if no dependence violations occurred. |
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| 04:31.40 | cjfp | i just have some stupid variable in a child thread that is failing an assertion |
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| 04:31.57 | cjfp | and i can't figure out why! it's always meant to be zero! i never write to it... |
| 04:32.09 | RedPenguin | What is the proper way to remove an ln -sf? |
| 04:32.12 | cjfp | except to write the value 0. and it's also volatile. |
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| 04:32.45 | chealer | RedPenguin: remove an ln -sf? |
| 04:33.04 | cjfp | so, instead of my usual solution to this kind of thing, which would be to instrument all the variables writes, i figured i would give gdb another shot :( |
| 04:33.08 | RedPenguin | Yes, /dev/ttyS0 is linked to /dev/modem instead of /dev/modem being linked to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 04:33.21 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I would almost suggest using openbox instead, which will ditch all of the panels and crap |
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| 04:34.45 | nvz | dondelelcaro: sawfish-ui got me hooked. Its just so damn easy to use, the context based bindings, matched windows.. and I dont have to edit config files, I just call up sawfish-ui and can add a binding with next to no effort |
| 04:34.52 | dondelelcaro | controlled use of --geometry will deal with it nicely |
| 04:35.11 | dondelelcaro | nvz: *shrug* I'm all about config files. |
| 04:35.15 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I havent found a wm that compares. Ion is probably my 2nd favorite, but takes longer to configure |
| 04:35.19 | chealer | RedPenguin: heh, I'm not sure how to fix it when you messed /dev |
| 04:35.20 | yoshio_ | cjfp: a few years ago, gdb couldn't handle multi threaded programs, don't know about now |
| 04:35.36 | cjfp | yoshio_: it can handle them, switch processes |
| 04:35.47 | cjfp | yoshio_: it just can't find line number / symbol info |
| 04:36.08 | cjfp | (at least, my version ... but i've had this working before) |
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| 04:36.18 | zinx | yoshio_: 5.0 had some problems, the 4.x patches seemed to work much better |
| 04:36.26 | zinx | yoshio_: but i think it's doing fairly well these days |
| 04:36.40 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I guess I will have to start developing sawfish.. heh before I know it, the best wm I ever known will be just a memory, and little kids will be asking me, "whats a sawfish?" |
| 04:36.51 | cjfp | there were some problems with gdb-6.0 and gcc-3.3.x or -3.4.x, but i have gcc-3.3.5 and gdb-6.3 |
| 04:37.13 | cjfp | i wish #gcc wasn't so dead... |
| 04:37.23 | zinx | nvz: i still use it :/ |
| 04:37.44 | nvz | dondelelcaro: there are wishlist bugs that are years old, and it doesnt seem like anythings progressed ever since gnome started using megashitty |
| 04:37.49 | RedPenguin | Looks like I no longer have a /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 |
| 04:37.53 | RedPenguin | Which, I kinda need |
| 04:37.55 | RedPenguin | :( |
| 04:38.05 | maher | RedPenguin: MAKEDEV |
| 04:38.09 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah... that's not atypical. At least, FOSS allows you to decide that a project is worth maintaining and fix the bugs yourself |
| 04:38.10 | nvz | zinx: yeah me too. its just annoying me some of the quirks I come across. |
| 04:38.50 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah, I am going to have to get serious about learning to program again. I was all into that stuff as a child, then I lost interest. |
| 04:39.01 | cjfp | are there any good C programming irc channels? |
| 04:39.03 | RedPenguin | *MAKEDEV |
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| 04:39.13 | zinx | cjfp: no, but there's always #C |
| 04:39.22 | yoshio_ | cjfp: don't know |
| 04:39.29 | cjfp | zinx: okay, will try #C |
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| 04:39.55 | cjfp | zinx: i see. you mean "no" as in "not good" :) |
| 04:39.58 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: #c probably... |
| 04:40.19 | zinx | cjfp: discovered that already, eh? :) |
| 04:41.21 | cjfp | zinx: when i saw the topic is "C Programming", it only a couple seconds to realize what you meant... |
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| 04:41.50 | RedPenguin | Well, man MAKEDEV is of no help |
| 04:41.50 | RedPenguin | lol |
| 04:41.55 | Supaplex | cjfp: #c++ |
| 04:42.04 | Supaplex | but you asked for c, not c++ :) |
| 04:42.09 | cjfp | Supaplex: yeah, C |
| 04:42.14 | dondelelcaro | RedPenguin: MAKEDEV is totally different from mknod, which may be what you're looking for |
| 04:42.16 | Supaplex | otay... |
| 04:42.23 | karamelos | has someone installed gnome theme gtk-engines-mac2 ? I can't make it to be listed as available. |
| 04:42.33 | RedPenguin | I just need /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/ttyS1 back |
| 04:42.38 | bob2 | karamelos: you know it's a gtk1 engine, right? |
| 04:42.44 | bob2 | karamelos: ie, it's useless on sarge |
| 04:42.58 | karamelos | bob2, idem for Sid? |
| 04:43.01 | zinx | there are still gtk1 programs on sarge :/ |
| 04:43.17 | bob2 | karamelos: "idem"? |
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| 04:43.27 | bob2 | zinx: gnucash is the only one anyone uses, tho |
| 04:43.29 | karamelos | idem = the same applies |
| 04:43.33 | zinx | bob2: xmms? :/ |
| 04:43.38 | bob2 | xmms is crap |
| 04:43.44 | bob2 | and it doesn't matter what toolkit it uses |
| 04:43.49 | bob2 | karamelos: yes |
| 04:43.50 | zinx | yeah, but the rest of the players are even crappier |
| 04:43.55 | calin | xmms roc |
| 04:43.55 | zinx | (which is pretty sad, really) |
| 04:43.57 | bob2 | cplay! |
| 04:43.57 | maher | bob2: xmms supports audioscrobbler tho |
| 04:43.58 | dondelelcaro | RedPenguin: so cd /dev; MAKEDEV generic; |
| 04:43.58 | calin | rocks* |
| 04:44.05 | zinx | bob2: xmms uses gtk1 |
| 04:44.06 | bob2 | maher: I don't know what that is |
| 04:44.11 | bob2 | zinx: I know |
| 04:44.19 | calin | show me something better than xmms, and i'll tell you it is better |
| 04:44.22 | yoshio_ | RedPenguin: /dev/ttyS0 is major dev num 4, minor dev num 64, and ttyS1 is minor dev 65 |
| 04:44.24 | karamelos | do you know any theme that looks like the current apple OS theme for the current gnome ? |
| 04:44.28 | maher | bob2: some little website where you can post what you're listenign to |
| 04:44.29 | nvz | Just Born, screwed up, adding Strawberry to the Mike & Ike original fruit flavors.. these things are gross |
| 04:44.34 | calin | i don't care how much config it takes |
| 04:44.35 | yoshio_ | RedPenguin: crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 Apr 29 2004 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 04:44.44 | RedPenguin | Appearing there are many things I need to learn about Linux |
| 04:44.52 | RedPenguin | Never got this specific before |
| 04:45.46 | cjfp | yoshio_, dondelelcaro zinx: thanks for all the replies in any event (i think it's really nice and selfless to sit in a channel and answer questions) |
| 04:45.55 | nvz | I think I should write them a letter and enclose all the strawberry ones in the envelope, telling them they can have em back |
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| 04:46.42 | yoshio_ | RedPenguin: sudo mknod /dev/ttyS0 c 4 64 |
| 04:46.49 | Phated | nvz: Or you can send them to me. :) |
| 04:47.32 | nvz | Phated: heh. I don't really like anything strawberry flavored, so I guess I am a bit biased here. |
| 04:48.10 | Phated | nvz: And I do, so I'm biased too. :) |
| 04:48.12 | yoshio_ | RedPenguin: and for ttyS1, replace 64 with 65 |
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| 04:48.47 | RedPenguin | I am just glad it is not too hard to fix it |
| 04:48.48 | RedPenguin | ;) |
| 04:49.10 | RedPenguin | Debian is so nice. Who the hell said a 120MHZ/96MB machine, can't make a nice server? |
| 04:49.40 | nvz | Phated: cherries are so much better. I mean, whats with strawberries anyway.. they dont even look good. Cherries are just so sweet and suductive, and strawberries just look like they are up to something. |
| 04:50.04 | Supaplex | RedPenguin: they've never been to my house :) I gottem all over the place. (I lost count. I think there are some in the walls, or underneath the boxes, or maybe even in the pantry somewhere...) |
| 04:50.05 | maher | nvz: the strawberries are watching you - those pips are all little eyes... |
| 04:50.08 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: You need a starwberry from WA sometime. |
| 04:50.44 | Phated | nvz: Eew, cherries. |
| 04:50.44 | jjazz | Supaplex: um... what does one do with a ton of low power servers? |
| 04:51.00 | Azar | good day honorables and thanks for the hints |
| 04:51.08 | maher | jjazz: comapre their wieght to a ton of feathers |
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| 04:51.31 | jjazz | I can solve that one from my chair: the feathers are lighter |
| 04:51.46 | maher | !win jjazz |
| 04:51.46 | Phated | ... |
| 04:51.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, jjazz! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 04:52.03 | jjazz | Sweeet up! |
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| 04:53.12 | nvz | my friend Dave, went around to stores that have those free AOL cd's (Take One) and he took the whole stack.. he then glued them shiny side out the whole way around the room as a border in the Electronics Hospital, he owns. |
| 04:53.46 | Supaplex | jjazz: well, some of them are off :) but one is a dhcp+mysql+nat. |
| 04:53.47 | Phated | All the bad AOL vibes! |
| 04:53.49 | cjfp | i started reading the gdb output more closely. when i do break main, it says: |
| 04:53.50 | cjfp | warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function. |
| 04:53.50 | cjfp | GDB will be unable to debug shared library initializers |
| 04:53.50 | cjfp | and track explicitly loaded dynamic code. |
| 04:53.50 | cjfp | [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] |
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| 04:53.59 | nvz | Last time I was down there I caught him in the process of gluing them up.. thats when he told me the story of where he found so many cds that he could just glue em to the wall |
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| 04:54.08 | cjfp | 7 lines is forbidden? |
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| 04:54.21 | nvz | cjfp: do not paste in here at all |
| 04:54.30 | nvz | cjfp: its a high-volume channel. |
| 04:54.32 | cjfp | nvz: okay, understood. |
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| 04:55.01 | nvz | cjfp: if you must, use #flood, a pastebin, or paste sensitively with proper formatting, we all understand \n as a newline. |
| 04:55.20 | nvz | cjfp: pasting without formatting is called flooding, and its not a good thing for a large channel. |
| 04:55.38 | cjfp | nvz: #flood is no problem, i thought a few lines was okay. i understand tons and tons is not okay. |
| 04:56.02 | nvz | cjfp: that was just an auto-kick from the channel bot. it does it after 4 lines I believe. its an eggdrop bot |
| 04:56.12 | cjfp | okay. |
| 04:56.19 | cjfp | god i'm embarrassing myself tonigt |
| 04:56.27 | nvz | cjfp: heh, you have to learn somehow |
| 04:56.41 | jjazz | cjfp: If it will help you learn, we could all point and laugh. ;) |
| 04:56.45 | RedPenguin | If a card is not plug and play, do I need to configure it manually with IRQ, even though the machine seems to notice the card? |
| 04:57.22 | cjfp | jjazz: enough of that in grade school, thanks though :) |
| 04:57.25 | nvz | cjfp: its hard to follow. it doesnt serve you or anyone else to flood here, you try be breif, and if someone can help, give them a pastebin url, or ask them to join #flood |
| 04:57.42 | cjfp | okay. i got it as soon as i was kicked by the bot :) |
| 04:57.51 | jjazz | cjfp: If this were grade school, we'd point and laugh, then you'd get mad and make me eat dirt |
| 04:57.54 | cjfp | #flood kind of sucks |
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| 04:58.03 | cjfp | jjazz: no, cause i was a wimpy geek |
| 04:58.20 | cjfp | jjazz: i might sic my 5 1/4 floppies on you though or ace the test... |
| 04:58.35 | nvz | cjfp: yeah, pastebins are nice because you can just include the url in the question, and you dont have to make sure people are in #flood first. |
| 04:58.37 | yoshio_ | RedPenguin: doubt it, but modprobe will take module parameters |
| 04:58.40 | jjazz | cjfp: oh and don't /msg people... it tends to bug them. |
| 04:59.05 | cjfp | have i been /msg'ing people inadvertently? |
| 04:59.12 | cjfp | or was that just a friendly warning? |
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| 04:59.23 | jjazz | cjfp: No, just mentioning another thing that seems to get on people's nerves |
| 04:59.45 | nvz | yeah, isolating a helper eventually leads to support burnout. and its distracting. we can help better as a team. people like mwilson won't let us give incorrect advice in here :P |
| 04:59.50 | jjazz | cjfp: Personally, it doesn't bother me, but it's one of those things that brings out the rudeness. |
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| 05:00.11 | cjfp | does that go for opening a private window too? |
| 05:00.21 | cjfp | (or is that the same thing) |
| 05:00.27 | RedPenguin | yoshio_, the reason I ask, is I have a sound card, it seems to recongize it but it later says |
| 05:00.28 | nvz | sounds the same to me |
| 05:00.40 | RedPenguin | Sound: DMA (output) timed out |
| 05:00.48 | dondelelcaro | pretty much anything that's mentioned in /topic will get you castigated if you persist in doing it |
| 05:00.49 | cjfp | k. i only do that to people i know / have something truly private to say to |
| 05:01.05 | Patad | hey i got sarge but how can i tell if its fully updated from woody? |
| 05:01.23 | cjfp | no persistence here, i'm sorry for wasting your time. |
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| 05:01.34 | cjfp | http://rafb.net/paste/results/sby43348.html |
| 05:01.37 | jjazz | Patad: Set pinning for testing and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:01.39 | cjfp | that's my gdb session |
| 05:01.40 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: oh, you haven't done anythign that bad yet... |
| 05:01.43 | Sontek | I have a Sparc5 Ultra Running Debian Sarge. I have 2 nic's in it. I want the first Nic to use the cable modem and the 2nd nic to plug into my switch and route the internet to my other computers on the switch. I read and figured out that I needed IPtables installed and some options in my kernel. I configured all of that and I used a program called NARC to setup a basic config which I changed around as best I could. But I'm not to familiar with all t |
| 05:01.47 | dondelelcaro | Patad: run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; if there aren't any packages waiting, |
| 05:02.01 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: meh? there's no need to use pinning at all |
| 05:02.22 | Patad | dondelelcaro, omg its getting packages |
| 05:02.25 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Really? I thought it would default to woody otherwise. |
| 05:02.38 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: not if your sources.list points at sarge (or sid) |
| 05:02.51 | dondelelcaro | jjazz: see man apt_preferences; if the selection of versions is confusing |
| 05:03.01 | guorker | what mean 'nethack' ? |
| 05:03.08 | dondelelcaro | !nethack |
| 05:03.09 | dpkg | methinks nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack |
| 05:03.23 | guorker | somebody said to me ,but i don't know! |
| 05:03.25 | prock | w00t for nethack |
| 05:03.37 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: Ah... my sources point to all three. I thought there might be packages in stable that aren't in testing. I guess there's no reason why that would be the case, though. |
| 05:03.52 | guorker | which contoury ? |
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| 05:04.00 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: nethack =~ s/rougelike.nethack/rougelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can chane the keybindings/ |
| 05:04.00 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'rougelike.nethack', dondelelcaro |
| 05:04.00 | jjazz | guorker: nethack is an old game |
| 05:04.16 | prock | !nethack is also #nethack, 'telnet nethack.alt.org' |
| 05:04.17 | dpkg | is also #nethack, 'telnet nethack.alt.org' died in the Gnomish Mines on level 4. Killed by a chaotic vampire bat. DYWYPI is also #nethack, 'telnet nethack.alt.org' ? |
| 05:04.23 | cjfp | by the way, that's a gdb i built myself on gentoo for x86_64, but the same happens with gdb-6.3-debian on another machine |
| 05:04.33 | cjfp | never play nethack! |
| 05:04.36 | simonrvn | !nethack =~ s/chane/change/ |
| 05:04.36 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 05:04.40 | Patad | dondelelcaro, why is it getting more packages? |
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| 05:04.49 | dondelelcaro | Patad: because you hadn't finished upgrading to sarge. |
| 05:04.52 | luulis | hello, anyone else had this kind of behaviour with X; suddenly all text inputting becomes slow as hell (have to hold a key down like 1 sec to input anything)? it is very annoying when this happens, this is the second time it happened to me.. restarting X seems to fix this though.. |
| 05:05.01 | yoshio_ | RedPenguin: type "cd /proc", then cat files like "dma", "ioports", etc to see what's in use |
| 05:05.21 | dondelelcaro | luulis: you mean the key repeat rate is slow? or the keys aren't being read at all? |
| 05:05.27 | Patad | dondelelcaro, when will it be? |
| 05:05.41 | dondelelcaro | Patad: when apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; doesn't have any more packages to install. |
| 05:05.45 | scarynetworkguy | Patad: 3.456 |
| 05:06.01 | prock | at me?! |
| 05:06.09 | calin | 3no |
| 05:06.10 | calin | you |
| 05:06.51 | cafuego | !nethack =~ s/rouge/rogue/g |
| 05:06.51 | dpkg | cafuego: that doesn't contain 'rouge' |
| 05:06.58 | yoshio_ | prock: I think that was to everyone |
| 05:07.00 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: mwhahahahaha |
| 05:07.01 | cafuego | oic |
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| 05:07.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro fucked it up to begin with |
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| 05:07.39 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... and I actually fixed it in /msg... |
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| 05:08.11 | cafuego | !lart dondelelcaro |
| 05:08.22 | jcarr | oh good god |
| 05:08.36 | jcarr | I just saw a commercial for the american version of The Office |
| 05:08.39 | perdenab | when you spam, spam pointfully |
| 05:08.49 | perdenab | shite |
| 05:08.52 | jcarr | it looks like it will suck |
| 05:08.55 | Agrajag- | american version it? |
| 05:08.57 | Agrajag- | i can't imagine that |
| 05:08.59 | perdenab | what was wrong with the english one? i hate that |
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| 05:09.21 | cjfp | what's wrong with chinese soy milk? |
| 05:09.29 | cjfp | everything gets domesticated. it sucks. |
| 05:09.40 | cjfp | or whatever the verb is. |
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| 05:09.52 | perdenab | americanized |
| 05:10.02 | perdenab | rubbish rubbish rubbish |
| 05:10.07 | cjfp | oh right, since other countries make it cool when they do it ;) |
| 05:10.18 | cjfp | e.g. everyone's favourite, japan |
| 05:10.34 | perdenab | i'm a merkin and proud of it, but i hate americanizing perfectly good furrin shows, at least if the furriners are speaking english |
| 05:10.56 | dondelelcaro | even if they aren't, just use subtitles. |
| 05:11.02 | perdenab | indeed |
| 05:11.31 | cjfp | subtitles suck |
| 05:11.36 | perdenab | speaking of which, anyone know if the russian film "brother 2" (aka Brat 2) is out with english subtitles yet? that film rocks |
| 05:11.47 | shingouz | cjfp: dubbing sucks even more |
| 05:12.25 | cjfp | actually i like films with subtitles better, in general |
| 05:12.27 | perdenab | dubbing is obscene -- unless the content is animated. subtitles are required |
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| 05:13.06 | nvz | I need to see if I can find a book on the ways of e-Bay we got a ton of stuff here that needs to be sold :P I've seen so far 3 super nintendos, and countless dvd players laying around this house |
| 05:13.23 | cjfp | i can't deal with "dubbed" animation |
| 05:14.04 | cjfp | nvz: there are some stupid eBooks around, you can also look in a bookstore, you'll probably find something decent. |
| 05:14.19 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: ORAs "Ebay hacks" might just be what ou are looking for. |
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| 05:14.30 | nvz | cjfp: bah, I am back home now.. we got fine libraries.. I am online searching right now. |
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| 05:15.19 | perdenab | http://www.bah.com |
| 05:15.25 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: I know nothing about ebay as of right now. I came back home to help my parents sort out the junk they've collected.. and I think ebay might be the solution |
| 05:15.37 | cjfp | nvz: place auctions on a sunday, always use pictures, watch out for zero-feedback bidders, and always start at 0.01 cents, and set a reserve if you need to. |
| 05:15.42 | ferris | i need help net installing debian on an AMD 64... |
| 05:15.45 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: Likely. |
| 05:15.50 | perdenab | http://www.humbug.com |
| 05:16.26 | cjfp | s/and always/always/ |
| 05:16.41 | ferris | i can't get the installation to see the internet |
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| 05:16.55 | cjfp | s/cents/dollars/ (i'm too picky) |
| 05:17.38 | nvz | I got a crapload of hits on the online catalog search of the 70+ libraries in the area. I just need to order up some books :P |
| 05:17.48 | ferris | i am getting 'eth0: Tx timeout- resetting' |
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| 05:19.11 | Supaplex | ferris: what's the make/model of the nic? pci, onboard? 100bt 1000bt? |
| 05:19.45 | ferris | two are onboard |
| 05:19.51 | ferris | on is not |
| 05:19.55 | ferris | one is not |
| 05:20.06 | ferris | the installer is seeing two of them |
| 05:20.17 | ferris | one on board, one pci |
| 05:20.19 | Supaplex | which is? (spare us the enter keys) |
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| 05:21.13 | ferris | one sec |
| 05:21.34 | Patad | im having problems here |
| 05:21.44 | Patad | i get a dam flex error everytime i apt-get update |
| 05:22.14 | valdyn_ | Patad: have you already tried getting the flex deb from elsewhere? |
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| 05:22.27 | cjfp | nm -la /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:22.28 | cjfp | nm: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: no symbols |
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| 05:22.35 | cjfp | that's my gdb problem. |
| 05:22.40 | valdyn_ | Patad: your mirror seemed to give you a broken file |
| 05:22.40 | ferris | T.I. IEEE1394b controller |
| 05:22.40 | ferris | Marvell 8001 Gigabit Ethernet controller |
| 05:22.40 | ferris | ICS 1883 LAN PHY chip |
| 05:22.44 | cjfp | anything i can do about it without root access? |
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| 05:22.55 | nvz | not to mention I've got a 1990 Volvo 760 GLE which I've lost the keys to (volvo lost the keys bootcodes some 10+ years ago and keys can no longer be made) and after putting many new parts into it the head gaskets blew. so it could cost me $1000 easily to get that 16 year old car running again. so I am thinking about ebaying that car in pieces as well. I got Volvo Mag rims, with brand new tires, new starter, water pump, battery, all kinds of stuff |
| 05:22.58 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: not really, no. |
| 05:23.02 | ferris | http://pcclub.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4830937 |
| 05:23.08 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: what does root need to do? |
| 05:23.12 | ferris | this is a link to my MB |
| 05:23.23 | Patad | valdyn_, can u give me a better aussie link or teach me to only make flex come from it |
| 05:23.28 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: actually, that's wrong. You can, but you need to build it statically against a version of ld-linux.so.2 with symbols. |
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| 05:23.39 | dserban | I've man'ed :) so, does anyone know if there's a command-line option to disable the intro text when you start screen? |
| 05:23.45 | cafuego | bloody volvo driver |
| 05:23.48 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: however, your problem hopefully isn't really with ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:23.54 | valdyn_ | Patad: get it from packages.debian.org and dpkg -i <package>, should be easiest |
| 05:24.02 | dondelelcaro | dserban: man screen; make a screenrc file. |
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| 05:24.09 | ferris | Supaplex.... did you see the specs? |
| 05:24.26 | cjfp | dondelelcaro: okay, is it good or bad to "inline static" before most functions? |
| 05:24.26 | bucky | nvz, hot wire it |
| 05:24.29 | Patad | valdyn_, i dont understand |
| 05:24.30 | yoshio_ | cjfp: apt-cache show libc6-dbg |
| 05:24.33 | dserban | dondelelcaro, thanks, I didn't get as far as a screenrc, was just looking for a cli option. |
| 05:25.14 | dondelelcaro | dserban: you probably can do it with an option as well, I just don't remember the one to pass arbitrary config file settings. |
| 05:25.18 | Supaplex | ferris: ok. no idea what module that uses, or if it's supported - but my brain is far past the super mush stage. zzZZzz time |
| 05:25.33 | cjfp | okay, if i install that, it's fine? |
| 05:25.33 | dserban | dondelelcaro, ahh, I'll look for that, thanks! |
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| 05:25.37 | ferris | ok, thanks |
| 05:25.42 | cjfp | (presumably it will help) |
| 05:26.25 | yoshio_ | cjfp: I have no idea, haven't install the dbg package, I don't want to hose my system |
| 05:26.33 | cjfp | no problem |
| 05:26.40 | nvz | bucky: I've already drilled out the ignition, it took several diamond coated grider bits, and many large drills, some 7 hours or more, but I fixed that. but since the gaskets are gone, I would have to recondition the whole top of the engine, and its the Volvo B280F, which is the hardest engine to work on they ever made and probably the only volvo engine ever built with a timing chain, even volvo experts I have had work on this over the years had p |
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| 05:27.16 | nvz | bucky: I am pretty much settled on the only way to get anything out of it at this point is to strip it of anything of value and ebay the parts. |
| 05:27.21 | badblody | how can i modify the environment variable home temporally without root privileges? |
| 05:27.47 | pipeline | badblody: export HOME=<foo>, like any other environment variable. |
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| 05:28.05 | pipeline | badblody: Presuming you meant "temporarily" rather than "temporally" -- the latter is a word with a rather different meaning. |
| 05:28.29 | badblody | ops sorry |
| 05:28.29 | cjfp | badblody: export HOME=foo |
| 05:28.46 | mwilson | bloody thing acts like a rubber band |
| 05:29.15 | cjfp | badblody: or, setenv HOME foo (i think) |
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| 05:29.38 | cjfp | test it with |
| 05:29.42 | cjfp | $ echo $HOME |
| 05:30.03 | draden | hey all - iptables question |
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| 05:30.26 | dondelelcaro | dserban: ah... it's screen -q |
| 05:30.47 | yoshio_ | dserban: check /etc/screenrc, uncomment #startup_message off |
| 05:30.57 | pipeline | cjfp: setenv is csh. |
| 05:31.08 | draden | modprobe: Can't locate module ip_tables - how can I fix this? |
| 05:31.39 | cjfp | pipeline: i know, maybe he's using csh for some reason... |
| 05:31.54 | cjfp | should have been clear about it |
| 05:32.03 | pipeline | cjfp: Someone who doesn't know how to set shell variables probably doesn't use csh on Debian, as it is not installed by default. |
| 05:32.19 | cjfp | badblody: if you're using bash, use export, if you're using csh, use setenv |
| 05:32.39 | nvz | I need to remember to call the library and make sure my contact info is up to date |
| 05:32.50 | cjfp | pipeline: i'm used to have csh be the default on our lab machines i guess (and i hate it) |
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| 05:32.55 | cjfp | s/have/having/ |
| 05:32.55 | badblody | HOME=foo bar thx cjfp |
| 05:33.02 | bucky | draden, did you build your own kernel or is it the install kernel ? |
| 05:33.09 | Sontek | if I just configured a network card to dhcp how do I get it to dhcp? I tried ifconfig eth1 down ifconfig eth1 up but that didn't work (stayed the same) |
| 05:33.30 | cjfp | np, sorry for the verbosity |
| 05:33.31 | yoshio_ | Sontek: ifup eth0 |
| 05:33.49 | dserban | dondelelcaro, Suppress printing of error messages? |
| 05:33.54 | Sontek | yoshio_: whats the difference between ifconfig and ifup? |
| 05:34.56 | draden | bucky - sarge install kernel |
| 05:34.57 | yoshio_ | Sontek: not sure, but I guess ifup reads /etc/network/interfaces, ifconfig may not |
| 05:35.20 | dserban | yoshio_, thx, I'll do that. |
| 05:35.26 | bucky | draden, upgrade your kernel |
| 05:36.09 | valdyn_ | Sontek: ifup reads your debian - specific network configuration and uses that ( /etc/network/interfaces ) |
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| 05:36.23 | bob2 | ifup != ifconfig up |
| 05:36.29 | bob2 | what valdyn_ said |
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| 05:36.39 | valdyn_ | Sontek: ifconfig reads no config at all, but directly manipulates the interface with the options you specify |
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| 05:37.24 | bob2 | "someone" should re-write debian's scripts to use 'ip' instead of ifconfig, too |
| 05:37.25 | draden | bucky - thanX |
| 05:37.59 | yoshio_ | bob2: 'ip'? |
| 05:38.08 | bob2 | yoshio_: the ip command, from iproute2. |
| 05:38.18 | bob2 | it replaces ifconfig, route, ... |
| 05:38.43 | valdyn_ | yoshio_: try "ip route" |
| 05:38.51 | bucky | draden, apt-get install iptables |
| 05:39.10 | draden | bucky: I did and it says its installed already |
| 05:39.59 | yoshio_ | bob2: I don't have iproute installed, does it do ipv6? |
| 05:40.07 | bob2 | yes |
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| 05:40.52 | djperegrine | in wine I get |
| 05:40.52 | djperegrine | > HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels |
| 05:40.53 | djperegrine | > to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the |
| 05:40.53 | djperegrine | > config file |
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| 05:41.00 | jcarr | ugh... this firm offering to hire me wants me to send links to some sites I have worked on... the sites the place I currently work for suck... |
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| 05:41.02 | jcarr | big time |
| 05:41.06 | djperegrine | gurg |
| 05:41.15 | bob2 | djperegrine: #winehq |
| 05:41.22 | djperegrine | join #winehq |
| 05:41.26 | djperegrine | lol opps |
| 05:42.50 | simonrvn | and i don't think they'll appreciate you pasting there, either |
| 05:43.13 | djperegrine | its 2 lines |
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| 05:48.05 | yoshio_ | draden: do you have /lib/modules/kernel-version-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.o (or .ko if you using kernel 2.6.x) |
| 05:48.59 | yoshio_ | draden: if you do have the module, type "depmod -a" then try modprobe again |
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| 05:49.14 | draden | yoshio - let me look |
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| 05:50.27 | draden | yoshio - doesn't look like I do have that |
| 05:51.15 | yoshio_ | draden: do you have anything in that netfilters directory? |
| 05:51.36 | draden | I don't even have a netfilter dir |
| 05:52.18 | bucky | ls /lib/modules/*/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ |
| 05:52.31 | bucky | draden, are you su or root? |
| 05:52.36 | draden | su |
| 05:52.57 | bucky | you don't have /lib/modules/*/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ |
| 05:53.02 | bucky | ls /lib/modules/*/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ |
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| 05:53.08 | yoshio_ | draden: did you compile your own kernel? If so, you need to recompile |
| 05:53.24 | draden | its just the outta the box sarge kernel |
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| 05:54.12 | yoshio_ | draden: i'm also using sarge, you should have the netfilter stuff automatically |
| 05:55.14 | Sontek | what would be the option to use iptables to foreword all access to port 80 to another local box? |
| 05:55.34 | draden | I have /lib/modules/2.2.20/net - but I don't have a ipv4 in that |
| 05:55.39 | Guerin | #iptables |
| 05:55.52 | Guerin | why are you using 2.2.20? |
| 05:55.55 | yoshio_ | draden: kernel 2.2 uses ipchains, not iptables |
| 05:56.10 | Guerin | and don't tell me 'default' |
| 05:56.21 | bucky | that's not sarge either |
| 05:56.27 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 05:56.46 | draden | maybe I need to download a new iso and re-install |
| 05:57.12 | bucky | draden, learn how to use apt-get and upgrade |
| 05:57.16 | yoshio_ | draden: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 05:57.21 | Guerin | draden: no, you need to install a Real Kernel (TM) |
| 05:57.27 | dondelelcaro | !real kernel |
| 05:57.27 | dpkg | real kernel is, like, The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . Woody install kernels have several known vulnerabilities, ... |
| 05:57.30 | prahal | Sontek: SNAT |
| 05:58.10 | Guerin | heh, even woody's normal kernels have several known vulnerabilities |
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| 05:58.17 | Guerin | or did, as of a month or so ago |
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| 05:58.26 | Patad | hey whats the file where it keeps apt-get 's server list? |
| 05:58.32 | dondelelcaro | Patad: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:58.38 | draden | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 05:58.40 | draden | 3.1 |
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| 05:58.47 | Patad | thanks!!! |
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| 05:59.44 | yoshio_ | draden: type "apt-cache search kernel-image | sort | less", pick a kernel to upgrade to, then upgrade |
| 06:00.33 | Patad | dondelelcaro, how can i update it again once ive changed the file |
| 06:00.36 | AwesomeMachine | I tried to install the nvidia IA32 driver for my video card and it said the nvidia module wouldn't load when I restarted kde. |
| 06:00.50 | draden | I'll go compile a new kernel - thanX everyone |
| 06:01.55 | mwilson | I doubt it said that. |
| 06:02.28 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt |
| 06:02.28 | dpkg | pkgmgmt is probably Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref, or if sgeigerbot's page isn't working, try http://feayn.org/~lewis/pkgmgmt.txt |
| 06:03.33 | AwesomeMachine | I compiled a 2.6 kernel and it actually booted |
| 06:03.47 | AwesomeMachine | sarge |
| 06:05.09 | Patad | where can i see australia's debian servers? |
| 06:05.18 | AwesomeMachine | do people ever come up to you and say, "Hey, do people ever come up to you"? |
| 06:05.19 | cafuego | www.au.debian.org |
| 06:05.25 | cafuego | And most ISPs run mirrors. |
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| 06:07.15 | AwesomeMachine | does road runner have a debian mirror? |
| 06:07.42 | cafuego | Did you check their website? |
| 06:07.54 | yoshio_ | Patad: try http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 06:08.05 | Patad | cheers |
| 06:08.11 | Mages | hi |
| 06:08.18 | AwesomeMachine | their website is so messed up, it took me 5 hours to find the names of the mail servers |
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| 06:08.25 | AwesomeMachine | ok |
| 06:08.27 | cafuego | AwesomeMachine: Switch ISPs. |
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| 06:08.45 | AwesomeMachine | road runner is too fast for me to switch |
| 06:08.46 | Patad | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.47 | Patad | Protocols: |
| 06:08.47 | Patad | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.47 | Patad | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.47 | Patad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:08.48 | cafuego | Ooh er, 4529 pop logins since 7am :-) |
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| 06:09.04 | Patad | woops |
| 06:09.10 | Patad | it says that the local trace file is missin |
| 06:09.15 | Patad | and rsync is bad |
| 06:09.21 | dserban | uhhm.. i just installed a bunch of ttf fonts.. and it's asking if I want freetype or xtt as the backend... recommends freetype but xtt seems better. ideas? |
| 06:09.29 | AwesomeMachine | ok, I'm going to check out that mirror of mirrors |
| 06:09.29 | cafuego | Patad: What do you need rsync for? |
| 06:09.38 | sanxiyn | dserban: ?? |
| 06:09.42 | mwilson | Why would xtt "seem" better |
| 06:09.42 | Patad | cafuego, im getting aussie debian servers |
| 06:09.53 | sanxiyn | dserban: Choose freetype and be happy. :-) |
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| 06:09.57 | cafuego | Patad: Yes, apt-setup, pick one (or more) |
| 06:10.02 | yoshio_ | Patad: search for ".au" that don't have the "bad" tags on them |
| 06:10.09 | cafuego | Patad: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:10.11 | dserban | mwilson, because it says that xtt can do bold and oblique rendering from one font. |
| 06:10.12 | gberardi | Anyone familiar with databases? Is it possible, say, to copy a MySQL file like you can with MS Access' .mdb? |
| 06:10.20 | Patad | cafuego, i am editing it, |
| 06:10.35 | sanxiyn | dserban: That's if and only if your font doesn't include bold and oblique itself. Most fonts include them. |
| 06:10.38 | dserban | gberardi, yep, look in /var/lib/mysql |
| 06:10.38 | cafuego | gberardi: In theory, no. In practice, yes, provided the mysql versions are the same. |
| 06:10.48 | kenboo | gberardi, #mysql |
| 06:10.51 | dserban | sanxiyn, ahh, k I see. |
| 06:10.59 | cafuego | dserban: Keep in mind you need ALL files that define a table. |
| 06:11.07 | cafuego | gberardi even |
| 06:11.13 | dserban | :) Yep. |
| 06:11.18 | sanxiyn | dserban: xtt was once useful for East Asian (especially Kanji-using) countries, where fonts for those huge charset didn't include bold/italic. |
| 06:11.19 | dserban | What cafuego said. |
| 06:11.36 | gberardi | Thanks, but what you're saying is mysql isn't meant to be transported easily like .mdb. Is there another database that is more like it? |
| 06:11.42 | dserban | sanxiyn, ok, but freetype's the "defacto" standard now? |
| 06:11.44 | cafuego | gberardi: No. |
| 06:12.01 | sanxiyn | dserban: I'd say xtt is useless even for Kanji now. |
| 06:12.03 | cafuego | gberardi: there may be something in the new Openoffice.org, MAYBE. |
| 06:12.03 | mwilson | gberardi: Uh, "transported easily"? |
| 06:12.29 | dserban | gberardi, honestly you don't want that kind of thing.. |
| 06:12.30 | dserban | sanxiyn, I see. |
| 06:12.30 | kenboo | gberardi, i'd suggest to read about mysql backup |
| 06:12.30 | dserban | sanxiyn, thanks. |
| 06:12.30 | scarynetworkguy | Read the last bug in man 2 _sysctl |
| 06:12.30 | cafuego | gberardi: Mind you, you could just remotely access the mysql server. |
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| 06:12.40 | mwilson | And now we see irssi being a rubber band again |
| 06:12.45 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 06:12.55 | gberardi | mwilson: I have a project that involves servlets, and we're supposed to use a database. The deliverable is supposed to include an Access database. |
| 06:13.22 | cafuego | gberardi: Access isn't so much a database as an abomination. |
| 06:13.33 | debian | gberardi: servlets on top of Access?!! *faint* |
| 06:13.37 | cafuego | gberardi: it's a lobotomised implementation with wizards bolted on. |
| 06:13.49 | gberardi | mwilson: I of course am not using Windows, and the professor knows this. I wasn't familiar with databases so I assumed that Access-like stuff was normal. |
| 06:13.50 | debian | gberardi: like building a sky tower on sand! |
| 06:13.57 | gberardi | hehe yeah |
| 06:14.12 | debian | gberardi: I wish you aren't doing anything critical |
| 06:14.14 | dserban | gberardi, yeh... You'd be better off with dbase2... |
| 06:14.15 | dserban | :P |
| 06:15.02 | gberardi | I think I should just forget about that requirement and use simple text files. B-) |
| 06:15.02 | nite613 | you'd be better with pen and paper than with access ;) |
| 06:15.02 | cafuego | gberardi: No, the client/server model is the standard. Access is the fluke ;-) |
| 06:15.14 | nite613 | The pen/paper API isn't well supported in servlets unfortunately |
| 06:15.22 | dserban | gberardi, flat files can bite you too, but if you know what you're up against, I'd recommend them over access. |
| 06:15.24 | gberardi | I'm sure the grade won't be affected too much if I explain that it really isn't feasible for me to use Access |
| 06:15.30 | debian | gberardi: if you look at struts framework it allows building MVC without a database at all |
| 06:15.44 | debian | gberardi: just with persistant objects...that can be save and loaded |
| 06:15.52 | cafuego | gberardi: mysql runs just fine on windoze, btw. |
| 06:15.53 | BrianAnthony | can someone tell me why I might not be getting audio with Xine-ui but I get audio with xmms |
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| 06:15.59 | gberardi | Well, the project is due tomorrow, so I would rather keep the things I am learning to a minimum. B-) |
| 06:16.00 | AwesomeMachine | the fastest debian mirror I found was ftp://debian.mirrors.tds.net . I get 600K/s off it day and night |
| 06:16.03 | zeeble | is there a debian gnome channel like #debian-kde? |
| 06:16.14 | cafuego | zeeble: /j #debian-gnome |
| 06:16.14 | AwesomeMachine | yes |
| 06:16.15 | debian | gberardi: what are you doing here when it's due tomorrow. XD |
| 06:16.34 | gberardi | Trying to find out if it was possible |
| 06:16.45 | zeeble | cafuego: well, i'm the only one there, so was wondering. |
| 06:16.47 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 06:16.47 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 06:16.47 | dserban | I've officially dumped gnome for xfce.. can everyone cheer? I'm slowly working my way down to ratpoison.... :) |
| 06:16.55 | zeeble | ahh |
| 06:16.59 | cafuego | zeeble: Well, it gets created when you join... |
| 06:17.01 | Guerin | ratpoison pwns |
| 06:17.04 | mwilson | gberardi: Uh, somehow I think it's more likely that your instructor will fail you. I know the real world will. |
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| 06:17.07 | debian | gberardi: hell, yes. jdbc-odbc bridge |
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| 06:17.10 | cafuego | zeeble: I think all debian Gnome users defected to ubuntu anyway. |
| 06:17.18 | Guerin | except abrotman |
| 06:17.23 | zeeble | cafuego: dammit. |
| 06:17.27 | gberardi | mwilson: Nah. |
| 06:17.40 | Guerin | nah, good riddance |
| 06:17.46 | gberardi | mwilson: maybe the real world would, but this is a class, and the professor wants good explanations |
| 06:17.48 | mwilson | gberardi: If the deliverable is (A), you don't get to substitute (B) on a whim. |
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| 06:18.15 | AwesomeMachine | debian is the best linux I ever saw |
| 06:18.21 | debian | gberardi: you need to build it by tomorrow or just give a proposal? |
| 06:18.41 | nite613 | gberardi: It's totally possible, you can use an access DB from a servlet through the standard JDBC connector |
| 06:18.43 | gberardi | mwilson: The project doesn't "require" a database, so I am sure when I explain why I didn't make one it will suffice |
| 06:18.51 | dserban | Guerin, heh yeah, I'm still in my infancy ... need icons... meh.. |
| 06:19.04 | dserban | Icons over speed and clutter... Right now I'm stickin' to icons. |
| 06:19.06 | debian | nite613: he might need a jdbc-odbc bridge |
| 06:19.10 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:19.13 | gberardi | The project is due tomorrow. It's not a huge enterprise level project or anything. |
| 06:19.21 | debian | nite613: afaik there isn't native jdbc driver for Access |
| 06:19.47 | AwesomeMachine | you can tell you are addicted to chat if your friend tells you a joke and you respond with /me laughs. |
| 06:19.48 | debian | gberardi: I wish you still had time for chitchat |
| 06:19.56 | Guerin | i've had to use windows for the past month or so, if I see another icon after my internet connection comes on, I'm going to hurt someone |
| 06:19.59 | nite613 | debian: I could be wrong, not like I'd ever touch that shit with a 10' pole! |
| 06:20.02 | BrianAnthony | can someone tell me why I might now be getting sound in Xine but I'm getting aound in xmms? |
| 06:20.20 | debian | nite613: heheheh |
| 06:20.24 | dserban | Guerin, heh... |
| 06:20.35 | dserban | I feel for ya... a whole month... :( |
| 06:20.38 | gberardi | I wish I would have known this was due this week instead of next, but I didn't find out until last week. The project was assigned weeks before, but homework was being assigned as well. Fun fun |
| 06:20.41 | cafuego | Guerin: [eth0 has limited or no connectivity. Click here to start 14 wizards and a help screen] |
| 06:20.58 | nite613 | gberardi: Get off IRC and do your work then! ;) |
| 06:21.13 | gberardi | I started it last week, so it isn't like it is last minute. It's just a lot of work. |
| 06:21.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:21.27 | gberardi | And database stuff was something that I had put off until now. |
| 06:21.29 | Guerin | at least that error message means something |
| 06:21.30 | AwesomeMachine | If I need windows I just install the free beta of vmware. I keep a virtual machine on dvd just in case |
| 06:21.44 | gberardi | nite613: right, off I go. B-) |
| 06:21.47 | Guerin | if I need windows, I change my requirements |
| 06:21.49 | gberardi | Thanks for your help, everyone |
| 06:21.55 | cafuego | Guerin: [There are unused icons on your desktop. Click here to satrt a cleanup wizard] |
| 06:22.12 | mwilson | If I need Windows, I just start up the Windows machine. |
| 06:22.16 | Guerin | click here to delete all icons! |
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| 06:22.31 | cafuego | Guerin: [There are new updates available. Click here to download them] |
| 06:22.32 | cjfp | if i need windows, start thinking about suicide. |
| 06:22.38 | cjfp | s/start/i start/ |
| 06:22.49 | mwilson | Everyone has these complicated things they do when they need Windows applications. Why make it difficult? |
| 06:22.49 | Guerin | I like looking out windows |
| 06:23.00 | AwesomeMachine | gberardi, I have a comp sci degree if you want to ask me about databases. I've done a lot of design and conversion work |
| 06:23.47 | cjfp | mwilson: because otherwise debian doesn't become as rad? |
| 06:23.55 | cjfp | and FOSS in general? |
| 06:23.58 | mwilson | Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 06:24.05 | cafuego | maher: [An exception has occurred. Click here to restart EXPLORER.EXE] |
| 06:24.10 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:24.11 | AwesomeMachine | anyone here ever try smoothwall firewall? |
| 06:24.12 | pipeline | mwilson: Because hardware is expensive and wine is free? |
| 06:24.29 | cjfp | as in, if you don't fight for your freedom, you're not going to have it. do you really want it? |
| 06:24.44 | dserban | cjfp, oh man... you said rad. |
| 06:24.44 | mwilson | pipeline: Hardware isn't terribly expensive... I think I paid $10 for the box I'm running Windows on. |
| 06:24.52 | AwesomeMachine | there are 4 boxes to be used in the defense of liberty |
| 06:24.55 | cjfp | dserban: i know, i'm wicked |
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| 06:25.00 | AwesomeMachine | soap box |
| 06:25.05 | AwesomeMachine | ballot box |
| 06:25.08 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: stop |
| 06:25.09 | pipeline | mwilson: Clearly your standards as to acceptable hardware are different from mine. |
| 06:25.23 | AwesomeMachine | k |
| 06:25.30 | cjfp | Guerin: why? |
| 06:25.39 | mwilson | pipeline: Dell GX110, P3/800, 256 mb RAM, 15 gb HD... plenty acceptable to run Win2k on. |
| 06:25.54 | pipeline | mwilson: If I could get one of those for 10$, I would consider myself very lucky indeed. |
| 06:26.06 | Guerin | cjfp: moroccan honey badgers |
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| 06:26.37 | cjfp | what? |
| 06:26.50 | Guerin | cjfp: yes. |
| 06:27.12 | pipeline | My junkbox is a celeron 600. :( |
| 06:27.14 | mwilson | Has Ubuntu on it at the moment so I can laugh at it. |
| 06:27.24 | Guerin | my junkbox is a TV |
| 06:27.26 | pipeline | But its only purpose is to play video over NFS |
| 06:27.31 | pipeline | so why do I care whether it's a celeron 600? |
| 06:27.43 | AwesomeMachine | my junkbox is a celeron 650 |
| 06:27.46 | mwilson | You mean *serve* video, not play video. |
| 06:27.54 | Guerin | my FAST box is a p3-733 |
| 06:27.55 | pipeline | mwilson: No, I mean play. |
| 06:28.08 | pipeline | mwilson: It's the client end of things. |
| 06:28.14 | mwilson | Ah |
| 06:28.15 | AwesomeMachine | that's fast enough |
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| 06:28.18 | cjfp | Guerin: whatever... |
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| 06:28.24 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 06:28.24 | dpkg | it has been said that whatever is the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 06:28.30 | pipeline | Guerin: One processor isn't enough for anyone. |
| 06:28.32 | Sontek | mplayer /mountdir/video.avi would be a way to play a video over nfs ;p |
| 06:28.50 | pipeline | Sontek: As mwilson is not an idiot, he picked up on that more than a minute ago. |
| 06:28.55 | Guerin | pipeline: yeah, I tried to find an abit dual mnobo, but it was hard |
| 06:29.03 | Guerin | I might have to import one from the US of A |
| 06:29.24 | pipeline | Guerin: It would probably be cheaper to buy an entire used system as a bundle, even with shipping. |
| 06:29.36 | AwesomeMachine | why do you need abit guerin |
| 06:29.45 | Guerin | pipeline: yeah, probably |
| 06:29.54 | Guerin | AwesomeMachine: i don't really |
| 06:29.54 | mwilson | I shoulda bought a couple more of these Dell machines when I had the chance. |
| 06:30.02 | pipeline | Guerin: And, at that point, why not upgrade to dual socket A? :P |
| 06:30.08 | AwesomeMachine | abit isn't known for dual boards |
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| 06:30.15 | Guerin | I just got it in my head, and the only other one which game up in the top few googles was a MSI POS |
| 06:30.18 | cjfp | Guerin: funny, that was the last thing mwilson said to me too |
| 06:30.20 | pipeline | AwesomeMachine: What the hell are you talking about. Abit's reputation is built on the BP6. |
| 06:30.43 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:30.45 | AwesomeMachine | I thought you meant dual processor |
| 06:30.50 | Guerin | bp6 and vp6 were the two shining stars |
| 06:30.52 | pipeline | AwesomeMachine: The BP6 is dual processor. |
| 06:31.08 | pipeline | AwesomeMachine: It was the board that made Abit a popular brand. |
| 06:31.09 | cjfp | i mean, if someone a question, i'll respond. o |
| 06:31.10 | nvz | Guerin: pricewatch is a better resource than google for that sort of thing. |
| 06:31.18 | mwilson | The BP6 is dual-processor in spite of itself. |
| 06:31.18 | Guerin | i believe the vp6 was known in its time as the best mobo for overclockers, bar none |
| 06:31.38 | mwilson | No, the BH6 was the board that made Abit a popular brand. |
| 06:31.49 | AwesomeMachine | I had some abit nf7's but for more than one processor I always used intel or tyan |
| 06:32.01 | mwilson | And after it, the BX6. |
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| 06:32.18 | pipeline | The BX6 I remember. The BH6 doesn't ring any bells. |
| 06:32.40 | mwilson | The BH6 was the original overclocker's dream board. |
| 06:32.55 | mwilson | The BX6 takes the BH6 and screws it up. |
| 06:33.05 | AwesomeMachine | most of abit is overclockers dream boards |
| 06:33.22 | mwilson | They later fixed that in the BX6-2. |
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| 06:33.35 | pipeline | Thank god that fad passed. |
| 06:33.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:33.42 | mwilson | It hasn't passed. |
| 06:33.50 | AwesomeMachine | what, oc'ing? |
| 06:33.57 | pipeline | Yes. |
| 06:34.03 | mwilson | You just don't hear about it as much because it's primarily the stupids now that do it. |
| 06:34.12 | pipeline | Yes, and "the stupids" usually run gentoo |
| 06:34.15 | pipeline | which makes overclocking impossible |
| 06:34.22 | pipeline | because it points out with giant waving red flags that the system isn't stable |
| 06:34.27 | pipeline | lol error 11 |
| 06:34.50 | mwilson | The stupids don't care that the box isn't stable... or they do, but of course it has to be the fault of the software. |
| 06:34.51 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:34.52 | AwesomeMachine | I've been oc'ing since you could put a 486 dx33 on a 486 dx66 mobo and overclock |
| 06:35.08 | mwilson | There's no such thing as a 486DX/66 |
| 06:35.15 | AwesomeMachine | dx266 |
| 06:35.37 | mwilson | You can't put a DX33 on a DX2/66 motherboard. |
| 06:35.48 | AwesomeMachine | yeah you can |
| 06:35.50 | mwilson | Not and get a speed increase. The clock input is still 33 mhz. |
| 06:35.58 | mwilson | The multiplier is INSIDE the chip. |
| 06:35.59 | cg0def | does anyone know of a usb tv tuner that works well under linux? |
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| 06:36.02 | AwesomeMachine | try it |
| 06:36.10 | mwilson | Don't need to. |
| 06:36.17 | pipeline | Even if you could do it, it wouldn't run. |
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| 06:37.45 | mwilson | I have no sympathy for oc-ers... they deserve what happens to them. |
| 06:38.06 | AwesomeMachine | everyone has to hate someone |
| 06:38.17 | mwilson | Did I say I hated anyone? |
| 06:38.29 | AwesomeMachine | was I talking to you |
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| 06:38.39 | pipeline | Did I ask a disingenuous question yet? |
| 06:39.25 | nagual | yea, oc:ers are bad bad people, actually, I put them right next to pedophiles and astronauts |
| 06:39.29 | ^Ocean^ | is gnome 2.10 in debian yet ? |
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| 06:39.38 | mwilson | ^Ocean^: Why would it be? |
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| 06:40.01 | ^Ocean^ | mwilson, because its the new gnome ? |
| 06:40.01 | mwilson | All these people... think they need to be running unstable... but have no clue about how it works. |
| 06:40.05 | mwilson | ^Ocean^: So? |
| 06:40.10 | calin | I just added a nic card to my machine, how do i associtae what nic with x interface? |
| 06:40.23 | ^Ocean^ | so it has bug fix's and new bugs to play with |
| 06:40.32 | mwilson | ^Ocean^: Again, so? |
| 06:40.45 | jm_ | calin: modules order or try ifrename |
| 06:40.46 | AwesomeMachine | mwilson, most oc'ers use the braille method for setting the bios |
| 06:40.48 | ^Ocean^ | So ? |
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| 06:41.00 | calin | jm_: modules order? |
| 06:41.29 | ^Ocean^ | mwilson, what you're getting at is no its not in debian yet. |
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| 06:41.58 | mwilson | ^Ocean^: I'm actually a *competent* user of unstable, so I looked, and now I know whether it is or not. |
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| 06:42.15 | nagual | haha |
| 06:42.15 | abrocadabro | does sarge have gui for dual-head setup? |
| 06:42.25 | AwesomeMachine | yes |
| 06:42.26 | jm_ | calin: yes, first one loaded will be eth0 and so on |
| 06:42.34 | mwilson | ^Ocean^: Why haven't you done the same? |
| 06:42.38 | nagual | he means dual head gfx? |
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| 06:42.46 | Guerin | abrocadabro: depends on your editor |
| 06:42.47 | ^Ocean^ | because im not so compotent |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | ^Ocean^: then you're clearly not competent enough to be using unstable |
| 06:43.26 | ^Ocean^ | yet i manage |
| 06:43.41 | abrocadabro | Guerin: I am using gnome, want to setup dual-head for my radeon 7500, what editor are you referring to? |
| 06:43.45 | Guerin | manage away, then |
| 06:43.45 | nagual | yet you fail to do the most basic things ocean :) |
| 06:43.49 | AwesomeMachine | sarge uses dpkg reconfigure to set up the first video card and int10 module to boot the other. All you do is specify the address of the first card |
| 06:43.50 | calin | jm_ what if I can see them on `lspci | grep -i eth` but they don't get added? i have a cat5 cable running to each from a router. |
| 06:44.01 | jm_ | calin: added where? |
| 06:44.08 | Guerin | abrocadabro: the editor that you use to edit the config files |
| 06:44.09 | AwesomeMachine | bus identifier |
| 06:44.24 | Guerin | but yeah, there is what AwesomeMachine said |
| 06:44.25 | abrocadabro | Guerin: I use vim |
| 06:44.28 | jm_ | calin: I think you're asking how to have kernel support them, right? |
| 06:44.37 | Guerin | abrocadabro: then you get a gui! hurrah for you |
| 06:45.03 | mwilson | Guerin: He said 'vim', not 'gvim'. |
| 06:45.09 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:45.11 | Guerin | my bad |
| 06:45.21 | Guerin | all *vi* are the same to me anyhow |
| 06:45.26 | AwesomeMachine | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and make sure you load int10 and configure the bus identifier for one of the vid cards |
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| 06:46.27 | abrocadabro | I only have one video card but dual output, I had it work before but I don't want to edit XFconfig-4 from scratch again |
| 06:46.27 | calin | jm_: Hmm, that's an idea. Lemmetake a look at what I'm supporting via kernel. bbl |
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| 06:46.56 | Capricous | AwesomeMachine: For some reason it is assumed but how do you know the bus identifier? |
| 06:47.08 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:47.28 | abrocadabro | in FC2, they have some tools for this I think |
| 06:47.50 | AwesomeMachine | I'm not aware of any native support for dual output cards, but xfree86 can be configured to do it I think. There is no gui I know of for that |
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| 06:48.59 | AwesomeMachine | I know the nvidia driver has dual head configuration options in the driver |
| 06:49.35 | Gumby | does smbpasswd in samba not add the samba user to /etc/samb/smbpasswd ? |
| 06:49.36 | jm_ | calin: modconf to load the driver, or load it manually with modprobe |
| 06:49.52 | jm_ | Gumby: that depends on version of Samba |
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| 06:50.18 | Gumby | Source: samba |
| 06:50.18 | Gumby | Version: 3.0.10-1 |
| 06:50.31 | jm_ | that one will use tdb b ackend by default IIRC |
| 06:50.35 | AwesomeMachine | gumby, debian has to be configured with encrypted passwords for passwords to work with smb |
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| 06:50.51 | pipeline | AwesomeMachine: The default configuration uses encrypted passwords now, no? |
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| 06:51.31 | AwesomeMachine | yes pipe, but sometimes I don't use that because it so difficult to break in |
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| 06:51.37 | Tarkus | in linux is everything done by using a terminal?? |
| 06:51.38 | Gumby | when install samba-common it asks if you want ot use ncrypted passwds |
| 06:51.56 | Gumby | IIRC I chose yes |
| 06:52.23 | pipeline | AwesomeMachine: Well, the real benefit to encrypted passwords is that it allows you to interoperate with windows NT :P |
| 06:52.55 | AwesomeMachine | ok, gumby, run base-config and configure encrypted passwords for the os |
| 06:52.58 | Gumby | I am sorta lost right now. I am used to just adding a user with smbpasswd -a username and everything working |
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| 06:54.04 | AwesomeMachine | Gumby, what isn't working about smb, you can't access the shares? |
| 06:54.23 | Gumby | Iin base-config I chose "setup users and passwords" and it flashes the screen then brings me back to the same menu |
| 06:54.40 | Gumby | AwesomeMachine: not even smbclient -L IP works |
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| 06:54.45 | Gumby | (as a valid user) |
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| 06:54.55 | Gumby | or at least one I have added with smbpasswd |
| 06:55.07 | Gumby | should Ireconfigure samba-common to not use encryption? |
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| 06:55.23 | Gumby | but wont that effect windows cients and their ability to connect? |
| 06:55.29 | AwesomeMachine | yes |
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| 06:55.45 | AwesomeMachine | it has to be encrypted or windows won't connect |
| 06:55.50 | Patad | help, sarge is setup but mysql doesnt work now |
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| 06:56.32 | Guerin | Patad: ENODATA |
| 06:56.48 | Gumby | AwesomeMachine: ok, so if base-config doesnt seem to be working... any idea what I need to get it to work? |
| 06:56.52 | AwesomeMachine | gumby, if base-config doesn't work then you have to do apt-get install base-config |
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| 06:57.48 | mwilson | Guerin: Oh, come on... you expect him to actually provide *details*? |
| 06:57.48 | Gumby | it works, but when I select "setup users and passwords" it just flashes black and then back to the same screen |
| 06:58.10 | Patad | Guerin, whats that |
| 06:58.13 | AwesomeMachine | gumby, are you in an xsession? |
| 06:58.28 | Gumby | yes |
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| 06:58.46 | AwesomeMachine | do ctrl+alt+F1 |
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| 06:59.02 | Gumby | I just ran apt-get install base-config and its downloading the package |
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| 06:59.27 | Gumby | same thing though. ok. ctrl_alt_f1 here we go |
| 06:59.35 | AwesomeMachine | well wait til it installs and try base-config again |
| 06:59.51 | Gumby | same thing |
| 06:59.55 | mrphreak | how view info in the bot about nvidia driver for 2.6 |
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| 07:00.38 | AwesomeMachine | gumby, that is a tough problem |
| 07:00.43 | Gumby | mrphreak: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 07:00.51 | mrphreak | Gumby thank :) |
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| 07:01.33 | Gumby | AwesomeMachine: its strange. |
| 07:02.18 | AwesomeMachine | Gumby, here is what I know: you need to set up debian to use encrypt PW's so you can configure samba to use encrypt PW's so windows can connect |
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| 07:02.40 | djperegrine | how can I mount ntfs drives not in root |
| 07:02.44 | djperegrine | ? |
| 07:02.47 | Gumby | AwesomeMachine: all the other sections of base-config work |
| 07:03.00 | Gumby | djperegrine: add user to /etc/fstab section for that mount |
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| 07:03.11 | djperegrine | oh duh |
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| 07:03.43 | AwesomeMachine | why do you want to mount not as root ntfs, you can't write to it anyway |
| 07:03.45 | Patad | help, i just changed to sawfish and now its frozenj |
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| 07:04.00 | red_one | MeTaL has onjoin spam |
| 07:04.24 | AwesomeMachine | patad ps aux | less then kill #### |
| 07:04.25 | djperegrine | wait I am |
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| 07:04.38 | Patad | AwesomeMachine, hmm no xterm is up |
| 07:04.41 | djperegrine | oh I see |
| 07:04.46 | djperegrine | I was unmasking it 000 |
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| 07:05.13 | AwesomeMachine | patad, ctrl+alt+F1 and use console |
| 07:05.41 | Patad | ok and what do i kill |
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| 07:06.05 | AwesomeMachine | you just look and guess intelligently |
| 07:06.09 | djperegrine | Also on wine, flash MX 2004 dies silently :( |
| 07:06.15 | Gumby | djace_: umask would only be if you wanted to write to the drive. writing to ntfs=BAD idea |
| 07:06.21 | nagual | whats a util to safely erase files? |
| 07:06.21 | AwesomeMachine | ctrl+alt+F7 to get back |
| 07:06.22 | Gumby | err.. djperegrine |
| 07:06.26 | djperegrine | yea |
| 07:06.37 | AwesomeMachine | nagual, wipe |
| 07:06.46 | nagual | AwesomeMachine: you should get paid. thank you. |
| 07:06.47 | djperegrine | yea I unmask=000 |
| 07:07.07 | AwesomeMachine | that's it, I'm doubling my salary |
| 07:07.16 | nagual | hehe |
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| 07:07.28 | Sontek | In my iptables config what are the differences between PRIVATE NETWORK and RESERVED NETWORK? |
| 07:07.58 | Gumby | AwesomeMachine: other than running base-config is therre any way of checking if I am using encrypted passwds? |
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| 07:08.42 | djperegrine | :DDDDD ddddddddd, wine works now |
| 07:08.44 | AwesomeMachine | gumby, I don't know the file in /etc that controls that setting |
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| 07:09.36 | nagual | Gumby: you can always use tcpdump while logging in |
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| 07:15.29 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOOOOT has landed! |
| 07:16.01 | clojster | root? |
| 07:16.02 | deadcat | ROOOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 07:16.47 | rob^ | sounds like you are all lacking some... |
| 07:17.26 | tomb0y | ok.. im needing to reboot my cable modem.. now i know from past experiences, if it gave me a diff ip, id have to reboot my firewall others iptables would lock up. is there a way to do that without actually rebooting firewall, dont want to loose my uptime heh |
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| 07:18.49 | peterS | tomb0y: you should be able to take down and bring back up iptables. how to do this depends on your setup, debian doesn't always use a standard method |
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| 07:20.25 | tomb0y | peterS: when you mean take down iptables.. would that mean change all the tables to default to accept, and flush them? |
| 07:20.47 | peterS | tomb0y: something like that. possibly just flush them |
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| 07:21.42 | tomb0y | peterS: ok, will try that first :) |
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| 07:23.50 | Sontek | whats the command rc command to remove things from boot? |
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| 07:23.58 | peterS | Sontek: update-rc.d |
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| 07:26.45 | deadcat | Sontek: go to /etc/rc2.d and rename the files |
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| 07:31.20 | Gumby | AwesomeMachine: I think maybe I am just a moron and was using the wrong password for my login |
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| 07:34.25 | calin | Gumby: sux. |
| 07:34.53 | llama32 | hello ppl |
| 07:35.00 | calin | Hello |
| 07:35.25 | cjfp | hello |
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| 07:35.57 | GrosJo | Hello ! |
| 07:36.06 | cjfp | hello! |
| 07:36.35 | GrosJo | I installed sarge, but I dont find where I can select/unselect packages (i.e. change PostGRe to MySQL, remove the docs, use postfix instead of the default MTA) |
| 07:36.46 | llama32 | when i mount my windows HD, i cant view anything on it unless im root... ive tried changing the device & mount point permissions and i still cant get it working... how can i? is it an option in fstab or something? |
| 07:37.06 | jm_ | llama32: yes, it's a mount option |
| 07:37.32 | llama32 | anymount option in particular? |
| 07:37.33 | tomb0y | grosjo: man apt-get, man dselect |
| 07:37.42 | GrosJo | ok |
| 07:37.57 | jm_ | there are several options involved, man mount will mention them all (uid, gid, umask, dmask, fmask, ...) |
| 07:38.18 | jm_ | GrosJo: read the docs |
| 07:38.23 | llama32 | ah, 'user'? i see that on some of the other entries |
| 07:38.32 | jm_ | user is for something else |
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| 07:39.17 | jm_ | GrosJo: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html, chapters 7. and 8. |
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| 07:39.24 | rata | hi |
| 07:39.24 | llama32 | man page it is :) |
| 07:39.31 | rata | i am needing help to use iptables-save |
| 07:40.12 | rata | i want that my iptables configuration will be load automatically |
| 07:40.28 | rata | i run iptables-save, but it doesn work |
| 07:40.36 | rata | llama32, read it |
| 07:40.44 | rata | llama32, but dont work |
| 07:40.50 | GrosJo | ok thanks |
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| 07:41.08 | tomb0y | rata: what i do is created a init.d file for my iptable rules, that will start them on boot, and stop them on shutdown etc |
| 07:41.29 | jm_ | why bother stopping them? |
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| 07:41.45 | rata | tomb0y, how ? |
| 07:41.51 | tomb0y | jm_: to follow the standards of a normal init.d file |
| 07:42.21 | rata | i dont need something elegant, just to load my configuration after boot, automatically |
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| 07:42.38 | rata | but it es NECESARY that it works |
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| 07:43.49 | rata | i already have the script to run |
| 07:44.05 | rata | but dont know how to explain it to run it at boot time |
| 07:44.42 | llama32 | mehh id rather just do a su whenever i need stuff from my windows partition than stuff around with these options |
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| 07:44.59 | bucky | rata, zless /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 07:45.17 | rata | bucky, thanks |
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| 07:45.30 | deadcat | most people in here still uses windows? |
| 07:45.36 | deadcat | as in dual boot? |
| 07:45.52 | bucky | for games |
| 07:45.54 | rata | deadcat, nope |
| 07:45.56 | peterS | deadcat: that's a poll. you know better than that. |
| 07:46.00 | deadcat | bucky: bah |
| 07:46.05 | deadcat | peterS: (= |
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| 07:46.40 | bucky | deadcat, the nvidia drivers for the 2.6.11 kernel don't work with doom3 |
| 07:46.43 | deadcat | always excuses |
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| 07:47.18 | rata | bucky, /etc/init.d/iptables does not exist :( |
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| 07:47.35 | rata | i heard the commando now is iptables-save |
| 07:47.38 | deadcat | rata: whereis iptables |
| 07:47.41 | Ero-Sennin | hola |
| 07:47.41 | peterS | where 'serious work' encompasses freecell when the other serious work gets too boring |
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| 07:47.53 | deadcat | !es |
| 07:47.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:48.00 | rata | bucky, but i dont know how to use ut |
| 07:48.05 | Ero-Sennin | ok |
| 07:48.05 | jm_ | heh pysol is much more fun |
| 07:48.09 | Segers_J | peterS: dude, check out pogo.com |
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| 07:48.32 | rata | deadcat, what ? |
| 07:48.39 | bucky | rata, /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz is the iptables init script |
| 07:48.41 | deadcat | type that |
| 07:49.21 | peterS | Segers_J: my needs are simple. it's not worth installing more games on the winxp box because I only play 'em there to take breaks from work |
| 07:49.23 | rata | bucky, iptables save active, in sarge instalations does not exist |
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| 07:49.52 | rata | deadcat, i want to save my iptables configuration |
| 07:50.04 | deadcat | oh |
| 07:50.06 | bucky | rata, deadcat never reboots |
| 07:50.28 | rata | bucky, can u help me ? |
| 07:50.35 | deadcat | bucky: theres a command to save the settings but i dont know how. i have my own iptables scripts |
| 07:50.54 | Segers_J | peterS: if you're happy, I'm happy, I just wish you'd call ya' noice jewish muthah every once in a while. |
| 07:51.00 | rata | deadcat, i have my iptables script too |
| 07:51.04 | bucky | rata, untar /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz and move it into /etc/init.d |
| 07:51.09 | rata | deadcat, but i want it to be run at boot time |
| 07:51.17 | peterS | Segers_J: yes, ma, I'll keep you in mind |
| 07:51.20 | bucky | that should be enough to get you into plenty of trouble |
| 07:51.49 | llama32 | wow i could run without swap space :D i only got 2% usage |
| 07:51.49 | rata | bucky, thanks |
| 07:51.56 | deadcat | rata: cp iptablesscirpt /etc/init.d && ln -s /etc/init.d/iptablesscript /etc/rc2.d/S99iptablesscript |
| 07:53.00 | rata | deadcat, ready :( |
| 07:53.04 | rata | deadcat, i will reboot |
| 07:53.11 | rata | deadcat, thanks too! |
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| 07:53.44 | llama32 | what apps are there for cd burning in linux? just upgraded, never used a burner in linux b4 :D |
| 07:53.53 | deadcat | cdrecord |
| 07:54.10 | deadcat | llama32: upgraded from what? |
| 07:54.48 | peterS | llama32: cdrecord is the actual burner app, but it's command-line-driven. there are several GUI frontends for it available. lots of people seem to think k3b is the best of them, but I haven't tried it |
| 07:54.49 | llama32 | from penium 200mmx with 64 mb ram, to a sempron 2400 with 256 |
| 07:55.20 | llama32 | ok i heard of k3b somewhere... knoppix prolly |
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| 07:55.42 | rata | deadcat, great! |
| 07:55.48 | rata | deadcat, lot of thanks! |
| 07:55.51 | deadcat | peterS: i too hear lots of people praising k3b, but i like gcombust |
| 07:55.54 | peterS | llama32: "apt-cache search cd burn" to see a nice long list of packages you may wish to try |
| 07:56.16 | rata | deadcat, i will go to sleep now, its 04:55 am here in Argentina |
| 07:56.22 | rata | deadcat, byes! |
| 07:56.28 | deadcat | later |
| 07:56.34 | llama32 | grrr if only my internet got upgraded... dialup is even less useful on a decent pc |
| 07:56.45 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:57.10 | llama32 | anyone know of a gnome style cd burning app? |
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| 07:57.39 | deadcat | gtoaster |
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| 07:58.09 | tkooda | what's a simple tool I can use to generate a graphic (png?) plot/graph? |
| 07:58.16 | llama32 | gr8 thanks |
| 07:58.19 | buu | What's the best way to mount an ntfs partition? |
| 07:58.25 | deadcat | bucky: mount |
| 07:58.41 | tkooda | buu, `man fstab && man mount` |
| 07:58.45 | bucky | err.. |
| 07:58.54 | buu | tkooda: Um. NTFS is supported in the core kernel? |
| 07:58.57 | bucky | you naught boy |
| 07:59.19 | deadcat | bucky: yes |
| 07:59.24 | tkooda | buu, stock kernel.org kernel has ntfs available in it. grep for NTFS in your kernel config to see if you've got it |
| 07:59.37 | buu | tkooda: I just did the debian kernel off a disk |
| 07:59.48 | bucky | deadcat, you haven't said the |
| 07:59.53 | bucky | f word all night |
| 08:00.02 | deadcat | bucky: getting their (= |
| 08:00.07 | buu | tkooda: And erm. Wher eis the kernel config again? |
| 08:00.08 | simonrvn | there |
| 08:00.23 | tkooda | buu, look in / and in /boot |
| 08:00.29 | simonrvn | in /boot |
| 08:00.37 | deadcat | bucky: fuckyou (= |
| 08:00.41 | simonrvn | config-* |
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| 08:00.55 | tkooda | buu, run `uname -r` to see your current kernel version and grap that config file for NTFS |
| 08:01.01 | simonrvn | (wow, amazing innit, a config called config...) |
| 08:01.02 | bucky | deadcat, had me worried.. you haven't been your potty mouthed self lately |
| 08:01.03 | buu | Ah |
| 08:01.27 | deadcat | bucky: school works. )= |
| 08:01.31 | tkooda | anyone ever made a simple 2d graph from 2 columns of numbers before? |
| 08:01.57 | peterS | buu: right, debian kernel images always install their config to /boot/$(uname -r) |
| 08:02.05 | peterS | I mean /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:02.19 | buu | "cONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set" |
| 08:02.20 | buu | =[ |
| 08:02.22 | simonrvn | tkooda: maybe if you re-phrased your question, in such a way we know what you intend/want to do, you'll get more help |
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| 08:02.37 | deadcat | peterS: you have to do what gentoo users do, give the EXACT command else they be confused |
| 08:03.13 | peterS | deadcat: I need to make sure he gets quality help in here, or he'll just bug me about this stuff in #perl (: |
| 08:03.21 | tkooda | simonrvn, I have a set of dates and usercount that I'd like to display in a simple 2d graph to managment. |
| 08:03.24 | deadcat | HAHAHAHAH |
| 08:03.32 | buu | It's a hobby |
| 08:03.37 | simonrvn | tkooda: gnuplot? |
| 08:03.40 | cjfp | tkooda: gnuplot |
| 08:03.47 | simon | i seem to have lost some sound functions on my gnome desktop - volume control no longer has any audio channels, esd is running but modprobe returns : Fatal not found |
| 08:03.50 | cjfp | or open office |
| 08:03.58 | tkooda | cjfp, couldn't figure out how to rename the axis. ;P |
| 08:04.05 | cjfp | in gnuplot? |
| 08:04.13 | cjfp | it's definitely possible... |
| 08:04.18 | buu | That's not good |
| 08:04.25 | calin | (2sleep || !2sleep); that is the uni-variable boolean evaluated statement of the pre-dawn post-midnight query. |
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| 08:04.39 | cjfp | set xlabel "whatever" |
| 08:04.46 | cjfp | set ylabel "whatever" |
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| 08:04.59 | buu | calin: 2sleep; doesn't really make much sense |
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| 08:05.19 | calin | buu: it's a /joke/ |
| 08:05.24 | buu | calin: So? |
| 08:05.43 | deadcat | if you want to sleep, just go fucking sleep. |
| 08:05.47 | tkooda | cjfp, yah. gnuplot also can't do dates.. -I tried to represent them as 20050310, but gnuplot put stuff like "0.123234e2" on the axis |
| 08:06.07 | calin | buu:-.- get a sense of humor and check back in the morning |
| 08:06.15 | cjfp | tkooda: gnuplot can probably do whatever you want, if you beat it enough |
| 08:06.15 | tarzeau | tkooda: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/gnuplot/ ? |
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| 08:06.27 | cjfp | probably why i suggested open office if it's just for mgmt |
| 08:06.30 | simon | i seem to have lost some sound functions on my gnome desktop - volume control no longer has any audio channels, esd is running but modprobe returns : Fatal not found. anyone any suggestions? |
| 08:06.44 | buu | simon: Give up hope! |
| 08:07.03 | tarzeau | simon: can you say something about GNOME now? |
| 08:07.40 | simon | whats wrong with gnome? |
| 08:07.59 | tkooda | tarzeau, that url looks promising. thanks |
| 08:07.59 | tarzeau | simon: and your feelings about why it's broken? |
| 08:08.39 | tkooda | cjfp, I figured oo or abi would have a spreadsheed->graphing function but I didn't want to have to install 20-50MB just for one graph. ;P |
| 08:08.57 | jm_ | tkooda: ploticus |
| 08:09.09 | simon | tarzeau : well modprobe seems to suggest that theres something wrong with esd, not gnome? |
| 08:09.14 | cjfp | tkooda: what's 50MB of disk space worth? more than 1 hour of your time? |
| 08:09.33 | cjfp | seriously: gnuplot sucks for oneshot graphs |
| 08:10.02 | tarzeau | simon: what are you thinking about linux? |
| 08:10.11 | tarzeau | simon: or esd? |
| 08:10.48 | Meffy | Hey. Does any one know a freeware mailserver for debian? mabye know how to set it up? |
| 08:10.57 | simon | tarzeau: are you going to answer all of my questons with questions? |
| 08:11.09 | alamar | hi guys, what can be responsible for me not being able to connect ot my local mysql database? even as root? (it is the default debian sarge installation i didn`t do any configuring) |
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| 08:11.51 | streuner_ | simon: why? |
| 08:11.54 | jm_ | alamar: you answered your own question |
| 08:12.12 | wobbler | lol |
| 08:12.25 | alamar | jm_: i did? |
| 08:12.29 | jm_ | alamar: yes |
| 08:12.48 | alamar | well would you mind exposing the part where i did so? |
| 08:12.56 | jm_ | "i didn`t do any configuring" |
| 08:13.08 | jm_ | read docs in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server |
| 08:14.11 | Meffy | hehe |
| 08:14.21 | streuner_ | Meffy: this is NOT windows |
| 08:14.34 | jm_ | it also depends on how you are connecting (PF_UNIX socket, TCP/IP) - some of it could be disabled |
| 08:14.43 | vladkao | Where do I look for font paths in Gnome 2 ? |
| 08:15.00 | Meffy | streuner_: i know |
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| 08:15.50 | streuner_ | Meffy: have you installed debian yet? |
| 08:16.17 | alamar | jm_: you`re referring to that "setting password" part, which is also suggested when you do "mysql_install_db", right? |
| 08:16.53 | Meffy | Yes i have installed debian and set it up in a network with a smootwall router |
| 08:17.22 | sion | Anyone know if nano support color syntax? |
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| 08:17.28 | streuner_ | Meffy: /msg dpkg search |
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| 08:17.37 | jm_ | alamar: yup, I think it also tells you to do this when you install it |
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| 08:17.46 | thomas_adam | sion: No, it doesn't. Try Jed. |
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| 08:18.24 | alamar | jm_: i know, but mysqladmin can`t connect to the database |
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| 08:18.34 | alamar | access denied... |
| 08:19.06 | jm_ | alamar: what user did you use? |
| 08:19.18 | alamar | i used the suggested cmd as root |
| 08:19.33 | alamar | -u root |
| 08:19.47 | kevix | sion, 'apt-cache search color syntax' gave a few ideas. |
| 08:19.49 | jm_ | and password? |
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| 08:20.11 | alamar | i thought password should be the one i would like to use |
| 08:20.19 | cjfp | what is the big deal with gnome anyway? |
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| 08:20.25 | streuner_ | Meffy: and google for 'SMTP HOWTO linux', but don't use sendmail |
| 08:20.38 | deadcat | cjfp: its a piece of shit just like kde |
| 08:20.42 | alamar | lol |
| 08:20.44 | cjfp | haha |
| 08:20.53 | Meffy | streuner_: thanx :) |
| 08:21.18 | jm_ | alamar: I think it first asks for currrent password |
| 08:21.33 | alamar | where should i know that from? |
| 08:21.40 | jm_ | ahh no you specify both |
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| 08:24.19 | cjfp | deadcat: what am i meant to use then? (be funny) |
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| 08:25.01 | deadcat | cjfp: dont use/play with shits. (=, try xfce4 |
| 08:25.16 | vladkao | deadcat: yeah, it's nice... |
| 08:25.21 | cjfp | aha! |
| 08:25.28 | thesaboteur | cjfp: the command line (Har har) :) |
| 08:25.45 | vladkao | but today, after the apt-get upgrade, xfce can't find one of my fonts. but xlsfonts findss it |
| 08:25.46 | cjfp | framebuffer is too slow and i hate screen |
| 08:26.47 | dondelelcaro | cjfp: you will come to love screen eventually |
| 08:27.03 | cjfp | aterm works and i don' |
| 08:27.05 | deadcat | screen is sweet. |
| 08:27.09 | cafuego | You *will* want screen's baby. |
| 08:27.11 | cjfp | t have to learn how to remap CTRL-A |
| 08:27.29 | dondelelcaro | eh? c-a is just c-a a |
| 08:27.37 | alamar | jm_: i don`t understand how to do it, i executed the suggested commands with my pw but mysqladmin can`t connect because of access being denied |
| 08:27.46 | kneet | Yes- but if you're a dedicated emacs user - it's hard to retrain your fingers :) |
| 08:27.52 | cjfp | i know, it's annoying, c-a is often used! |
| 08:27.57 | cjfp | kneet: exactly! |
| 08:28.07 | cjfp | (expecting vi counter-attack!) |
| 08:28.14 | deadcat | (= |
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| 08:28.28 | cafuego | cjfp: It's ALWAYS used (go to start of line) |
| 08:28.42 | cjfp | cafuego: werd |
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| 08:28.56 | kneet | Trouble is - I've never figured what to set the screen prefix to - what key combo isn't already used in emacs? :) |
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| 08:29.22 | cafuego | kneet: c-x |
| 08:29.27 | cjfp | lol |
| 08:29.45 | kevix | kneet, can you set it to a function key? |
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| 08:30.02 | kneet | Hmm - now that's not such a bad idea that - I'll have a look into it |
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| 08:30.24 | cafuego | Not that it matters, screen is a LOT more useful than emacs. sed can do what emacs does, but screen is irreplacable. |
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| 08:30.44 | kneet | cafuego, I don't really want to program in sed |
| 08:30.52 | blahdeblah | Anyone know what the deal is with libdevmapper at the moment? It came into sarge just a day or two ago, and now it's gone again. Where do i look for tracking info about this sort of thing? |
| 08:31.11 | jm_ | alamar: try specifying "" for current password |
| 08:31.16 | jm_ | alamar: that is, empty string |
| 08:32.05 | cjfp | kneet: home key would work well also |
| 08:32.12 | blahdeblah | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.17 | blahdeblah | Sorry |
| 08:32.29 | alamar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.50 | dondelelcaro | !info libdevmapper1.01 sarge |
| 08:33.03 | dpkg | libdevmapper1.01: (The Linux Kernel Device Mapper userspace library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2:1.01.00-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 08:33.26 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: ^^^ |
| 08:33.31 | dondelelcaro | *NEXT*! |
| 08:34.13 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: also, http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=patrick@debian.org and http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/devmapper.html will help you |
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| 08:34.45 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: Where'd you get the info? From the package page? When i apt-get update' |
| 08:34.53 | blahdeblah | this morning, it was gone. |
| 08:35.21 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: 1.00 would be gone, but 1.01 should be there. |
| 08:35.34 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: it's a library, and as such, the version is always encoded in the package name |
| 08:35.44 | dondelelcaro | s/version/soname/ |
| 08:35.45 | hahaghost | How can I have Gnome2.10 installed,,I'm using Debian sid........... |
| 08:36.04 | dondelelcaro | hahaghost: just wait until it's packaged, or help the gnome maintainers package it. |
| 08:36.13 | streuner_ | you use the wrong version of debian then |
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| 08:37.01 | hahaghost | dondelelcaro, How long I will wait....? |
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| 08:37.13 | cafuego | hahaghost: /msg dpkg wir |
| 08:37.25 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: Righto - makes sense. Why did libdevmapper1.00 suddenly show up as a prereq for something else in sarge, then disappear, without being replaced by libdevmapper1.01? And why not just libdevmapper with a different version number? |
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| 08:37.30 | hahaghost | cafuego, thx,I'll have a try |
| 08:37.51 | *** mode/#Debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 08:37.52 | *** topic/#Debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Knoppix/Ubuntu/Mepis/Kurumin are NOT Debian | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | No, gnome 2.10 has not been packaged yet |
| 08:37.58 | dobby | hello how can i reconfigure my keymap i did a standart sarge installation and have now the wrong keymap ;-( |
| 08:37.59 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:38.24 | dondelelcaro | diff: shortened, add gnome 2.10 info so people stop asking. [not that they'd read the topic anyway...] |
| 08:38.27 | streuner_ | dooby: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 08:38.30 | deadcat | package 2.10 yourself. change the splashscreen and there you go |
| 08:38.34 | cafuego | dobby: Liar, it's been in Ubuntu (which is debian, which is Knoppix, which is Lindows) for ages! |
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| 08:38.49 | cafuego | s/dobby/dondelelcaro/ |
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| 08:39.12 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: until it gets uploaded to experimental or unstable, it doesn't exist... |
| 08:39.13 | badblody | how can i add in non-interactive form a line to a file? |
| 08:39.21 | kevix | dobby, I think 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' may help. |
| 08:39.25 | dondelelcaro | badblody: with >> |
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| 08:39.56 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: first off, do you understand what a soname is? That'll help make it obvious what's happening. |
| 08:40.20 | badblody | no at the end sorry |
| 08:40.21 | blahdeblah | No. |
| 08:40.26 | streuner_ | cafuego: didn't hey change the name for lindows? |
| 08:40.27 | badblody | at start |
| 08:40.34 | badblody | at begining |
| 08:40.34 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: second off, the transition can only occur when everything that depends on devmapper has been built to work with libdevmapper1.01. |
| 08:40.36 | dobby | should it work after the dpkg-reconfigure console-data? |
| 08:40.37 | streuner_ | cafuego: s/hey/they/ |
| 08:40.43 | dobby | because it doesn't! |
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| 08:40.57 | d0ugie | For maximum size efficiency, what image format should I go with for a charcoal/pencil-like drawing without any consistant white spaces? |
| 08:40.59 | kevix | streuner_, now its linsipre |
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| 08:41.10 | d0ugie | png, gif or jpg? |
| 08:41.12 | badblody | dondelelcaro, not at the end at the beging of the file |
| 08:41.14 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: well, suffice it to say that a soname is like a version for libraries. If the soname changes, the library is incompatible with previous sonames. |
| 08:41.35 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: soname.com - Contemporary Tibetan Mountain Songs :) |
| 08:41.36 | streuner_ | kevix: the dude of formely (mp3.com) bought lindows, right? |
| 08:41.52 | kevix | dobby, in most cases you have to log out for things to take effect. |
| 08:41.53 | dondelelcaro | badblody: so mv foo foo.tmp; echo blah > foo; foo << foo.tmp; rm foo.tmp; |
| 08:42.05 | dobby | ok |
| 08:42.06 | kevix | streuner_, michael richardson. |
| 08:42.15 | badblody | thx dondelelcaro |
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| 08:43.24 | pipeline | kevix, streuner_: Man, what a glutton for punishment. |
| 08:43.28 | cafuego | d0ugie: Probably go with PNG, it can do lossless compression (JPEG will lose data and GIF is shit) |
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| 08:44.38 | kevix | pipeline, I havent found a sane decision he's made yet! |
| 08:45.26 | bighead | so how can I find how much quota a user has available (if I'm that user) and what amount is left? its a general un*x question |
| 08:45.54 | dondelelcaro | bighead: quota -a |
| 08:45.59 | bighead | thanks! |
| 08:46.02 | dondelelcaro | or quota -a -u foouser; |
| 08:46.06 | pipeline | d0ugie: gif -- you don't need more than 256 shades of charcoal :P |
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| 08:47.01 | dondelelcaro | ah, nope... it's quota -v username |
| 08:47.17 | dondelelcaro | damn these commands with 8 different ways of parsing username options |
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| 08:49.34 | peterS | prock: it doesn't, it means 'view quota' |
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| 08:51.33 | rixth | How can I make a command that will start /usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl stop ? |
| 08:52.13 | deadcat | rixth: what you just typed |
| 08:52.38 | kevix | rixth, what is the real question? |
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| 08:53.31 | rixth | I have done this before, but I can't remember how. If I type apup it will run /usr/local/apache2/bin/apache2ctl start. But I can't remember how I made that link. I need to do it again. |
| 08:54.31 | kevix | rixth, you can make a simple shell script, can't you? |
| 08:54.41 | deadcat | rixth: echo -e "#!/bin/bash\n/usr/local/apache2/bin/apache2ctl stop" > /usr/local/bin/apup && chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/apup |
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| 08:55.05 | peterS | rixth: why is apache2 in /usr/local/? upgrade to sarge or use a backport |
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| 08:55.26 | rixth | peter5, thats the default install point |
| 08:55.34 | deadcat | S not 5 |
| 08:55.39 | rixth | Sorry! |
| 08:55.40 | peterS | rixth: not in the debian packages, it isn't |
| 08:55.51 | peterS | rixth: that'd only be the default install point if you're compiling from source |
| 08:55.55 | Catsby | deadcat, echo -e "#!/bin/bash\n`which apache2ctl`stop" > /usr/local/bin/apup && chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/apup |
| 08:55.57 | Catsby | :P |
| 08:56.06 | rixth | Thats right, I find the precompiled packages lack some things, so when I can be bothered, I compile from source. |
| 08:56.10 | kevix | peterS,exactly! |
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| 08:56.19 | deadcat | Catsby: no, he specified /usr/local/bin |
| 08:56.37 | rixth | Ok ok, here's a better example. |
| 08:56.39 | Catsby | So? :p |
| 08:56.46 | peterS | rixth: I'm sure the maintainer would like to hear about the features you found missing that you wanted to use. file bugs, they'll be appreciated |
| 08:57.09 | kevix | rixth, have you done an 'apt-cache search apache2' to make sure you couldnt add what you needed? |
| 08:57.09 | deadcat | Catsby: so? |
| 08:57.16 | Catsby | So so! |
| 08:57.20 | rixth | I would like to be able to type aplogs (to rotate apache logs) and have that command start /home/rixth/.scripts/log.sh |
| 08:57.43 | deadcat | Catsby: `which apache2`, he might have apache2 in /usr/bin or someshit. |
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| 08:58.03 | Catsby | Right, deadcat. That's what the which is for :o) |
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| 08:58.08 | rixth | All my apach2 binaries are in /usr/local/apache2/bin |
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| 08:58.39 | kevix | rixth, it would seems like you should do apt-get abs-guide ! |
| 08:58.47 | deadcat | Catsby: ya. which apache2 shows /usr/bin/apache2 and /usr/local/bin/apache2, so which will be used? |
| 08:59.11 | kevix | deadcat, echo $PATH ? |
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| 08:59.34 | Catsby | `which` prints out which command will be executed first due to PATH, deadcat |
| 08:59.51 | rixth | kevix, I shall do that now, |
| 08:59.58 | deadcat | kevix: ok. he has /usr/bin/apache2 and /usr/local/bin/apache2, he wants /usr/local/bin, and /usr/bin usually will be used first. |
| 09:00.17 | deadcat | Catsby: ya |
| 09:00.45 | rixth | E: Couldn't find package abs-guide |
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| 09:01.21 | scoopexW | hi there ! |
| 09:01.27 | kevix | deadcat, you could 'mv /usr/bin/apache2 /usr/bin/apache2.dontuse' at least until an upgrade. |
| 09:01.49 | deadcat | kevix: i might but he has it in /usr/local/bin (= |
| 09:02.29 | scoopexW | is there a good xterm-replacement which support notification on activity/inactivity of a terminal ? |
| 09:02.29 | rixth | alias apup="/usr/local/apache2/bin/apachectl start" |
| 09:02.40 | rixth | there, thats how it was done (that ws in .bashrc) |
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| 09:03.30 | kevix | rixth, bash alias, bash function, bash shell script, ... what ever works! |
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| 09:04.12 | rixth | bash alias works for me! |
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| 09:05.50 | rikva | hi guys... I am a Gentoo user for a couple of months now, but I am getting tired of gentoo and I want to try out Debian. What do you recommend me, downloading the netinst cd, or the normal install cd's? |
| 09:06.18 | deadcat | rikva: net install. but i bet you will get tire of debian as well |
| 09:06.29 | kevix | rikva, you normally only need the first 2 cd's. |
| 09:06.32 | cjfp | deadcat: i was like him |
| 09:06.42 | cjfp | i'm not tired of debian |
| 09:06.58 | deadcat | rikva: netinstall is 50MB |
| 09:07.02 | cjfp | it doesn't break more often than not break! |
| 09:07.02 | EvanCarroll | wow |
| 09:07.05 | kevix | rikva, use the netinst if you have a decent connetion. |
| 09:07.11 | rikva | deadcat: I hope I won't... a lot of things don't work good in Gentoo because I am an idiot and I can't work with USE flags. |
| 09:07.28 | rikva | Ok, I have a good connection so I'll try the netinst then, thanks |
| 09:07.40 | deadcat | rikva: debian is designed by idiots for idiots like me (= |
| 09:07.46 | EvanCarroll | just wrote a nice fun perl script that goes through and prints out each console font, a pangram, waits 3 seconds and then moves on |
| 09:07.48 | rikva | hehe |
| 09:07.53 | cjfp | dummies for dummies |
| 09:09.19 | pipeline | rikva: Heh, instead of "USE flags" we have debconf. debconf is vastly more complicated and much, much, much, much easier to use. |
| 09:09.42 | rikva | pipeline: sounds nice |
| 09:10.01 | pipeline | debconf being the system that stores all the lovely little configuration details about packages |
| 09:10.06 | pipeline | you never have to interact with it diriectly |
| 09:10.19 | cjfp | USE flags are basically a broken way of cross-specifying ./configure options |
| 09:10.31 | rikva | aha |
| 09:10.31 | pipeline | USE flags make baby jesus cry |
| 09:10.45 | kevix | pipeline, debconf is for the initial configuration of packages. |
| 09:10.57 | pipeline | in fact, all of portage is a crying shame. One wonders why they did not simply port pkgsrc |
| 09:11.11 | rikva | they're talking here about unofficial netinst iso's ? |
| 09:11.20 | cjfp | but d00d, it's so much *FasTeR*! |
| 09:11.26 | rikva | LOL |
| 09:11.30 | kevix | pipeline, you must read the 'planet'! |
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| 09:11.47 | milestone | hi |
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| 09:13.09 | rikva | Is it correct if I download the woody-i386-1.iso here?: http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-minicd/ |
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| 09:13.41 | pipeline | kevix: The planet? |
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| 09:14.04 | cafuego | HACK THE PLANET! |
| 09:14.30 | peterS | cafuego: all those 8-char nicks joining at the same time - that's not an Attack of the Clones thing, is it? |
| 09:14.33 | kevix | pipeline, planet.debian.net ! |
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| 09:14.54 | knapscal | -------______--------HEIL HITLER!-------__-----__--- |
| 09:14.56 | cafuego | peterS: I have 7 chars, how should I know? ;-) |
| 09:15.01 | peterS | cafuego: heh |
| 09:15.10 | cafuego | peterS: Attack of the tards, it would seem. |
| 09:15.13 | pipeline | kevix: Yeah, I don't do that. |
| 09:15.19 | peterS | knapscal: uhh, that was off-topic. don't do it again, please |
| 09:15.22 | kevix | peterS, IDN attack! |
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| 09:15.26 | cafuego | knapscal: He's dead, there's no point. |
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| 09:17.46 | kevix | cafuego, and here I wanted to invoke 'godwin...' |
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| 09:18.12 | superSSS | Anyone having trouble with the latest kernel, making computer to freeze? |
| 09:18.13 | Egwugwu | #debina |
| 09:18.19 | peterS | !ops can you keep an eye on all these 8-char nicks that keep coming and going? they seem to be up to no good |
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| 09:18.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: can you keep an eye on all these 8-char nicks that keep coming and going? they seem to be up to no good |
| 09:18.42 | rikva | uuh, I guess I shouldn't download the testing release images? |
| 09:18.45 | helix | oh, creepy |
| 09:18.55 | jawboxes | -------______--------HEIL HITLER!-------__-----__--- |
| 09:18.56 | peterS | dunno if they're onjoin bots or what |
| 09:18.57 | superSSS | 2.6.11-2 |
| 09:18.59 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 09:19.00 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@pcsp170-57.supercabletv.net.co] by helix |
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| 09:19.00 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 09:19.00 | peterS | oh, hey, like that |
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| 09:19.05 | helix | here we go |
| 09:19.09 | twankays | Heil....HeilHitlerHe.. #In Memory of Adolf Hitler# ..Heil....HeilHitlerHe |
| 09:19.09 | peterS | yeah |
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| 09:19.13 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 09:19.16 | helix | ok |
| 09:19.18 | *** mode/#Debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 09:19.19 | troparia | * a m e r i c a * a m e r i c a * a m e r i c a * |
| 09:19.21 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@201.245.72.166] by helix |
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| 09:19.32 | kevix | it seems this guy is from colombia |
| 09:19.46 | tarheelcoxn | I'm trying to get gaim to open in a specific workspace every time I log in |
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| 09:19.58 | tarheelcoxn | people are telling me it's a wm issue |
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| 09:20.05 | kevix | helix, hope all is well. pass the kale! |
| 09:20.07 | cafuego | kevix: he seems to be in an insitution, using a colombian bounce host |
| 09:20.07 | tarheelcoxn | suggested wm to try, anyone? |
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| 09:20.16 | helix | mmm, kale |
| 09:20.25 | cafuego | !cabbagesmite helix |
| 09:20.35 | helix | kevix: I didn't get to eat any at the chinese place, really :/ |
| 09:20.51 | peterS | what is kale and is it as bad as sauerkraut? |
| 09:20.51 | mike | hi, very quickly, how do i change the hostname of my machine? at the moment it is on the default of localhost.localdomain |
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| 09:21.02 | peterS | mike: edit /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 09:21.08 | peterS | mike: then type 'hostname foo' |
| 09:21.09 | mike | thanks |
| 09:21.25 | cafuego | peterS: kale is a green vegetable, brassica family, eaten steamed. |
| 09:21.34 | kevix | sauekraut is made from cabbage. kale is from the sea. |
| 09:21.35 | tools-lt | Hi, can anybody recommend something to draw databases in? ( I'm using Dia at the moment, but I want something that shows colums and primary keys as well ) |
| 09:21.37 | cafuego | peterS: also known as curly kale |
| 09:21.41 | peterS | cafuego: 'brassica' doesn't tell me much. I knew it was a vegetable |
| 09:21.47 | mike | sounds vagually sexual |
| 09:21.50 | cafuego | peterS: brassica ~= cabbale |
| 09:21.52 | helix | kale is like seaweed |
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| 09:21.54 | cafuego | cabbage |
| 09:21.55 | maikrohvt | hi, when booting up sarge 3.1 i get this: Loading /install/initrd.gz ....isolinux: Disk error 32, AX=4280, drive=9F |
| 09:21.59 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 09:22.07 | pipeline | peterS: Don't worry about it. Cale tastes terrible. You don't want any. |
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| 09:22.19 | cafuego | helix: kale is a cabbage, grows in autumn in holland, first harvest after first frost. |
| 09:22.22 | pipeline | tarheelcoxn: use sawfish |
| 09:22.26 | Space_NL | does linux have a module for the trust wireless mouse ? (cos else i can save myself the trouble off buying one ?) |
| 09:22.28 | cafuego | helix: SEAkale is somethign else. |
| 09:22.33 | helix | well, I dunno |
| 09:22.35 | jm_ | tools-lt: maybe try argouml or something similar |
| 09:22.37 | helix | it's green and chewy and delicioso |
| 09:22.42 | b33r | what happens to gdm when i go to tty2, if i go back to tty1 it is command line, but gdm is still running.. how do i get back into it? |
| 09:22.47 | kevix | tools-lt, there seems to be a few tools that mention dia for it. |
| 09:22.49 | pipeline | Space_NL: it's probably just the modules "hid" and "mousedev" |
| 09:22.58 | tarheelcoxn | pipeline: I was using sawfish |
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| 09:23.04 | helix | cafuego: yeah, I ate about a pound of kale in one sitting |
| 09:23.06 | helix | god it was good |
| 09:23.16 | pipeline | tarheelcoxn: sawfish does what you want it to, but I can't remember how to do it |
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| 09:23.23 | Space_NL | pipeline: module "hid" = ? (hmm, and usb support must be on too .. right ?) |
| 09:23.23 | harobed | Hiryu, I've error when I launch uml kernel. This is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)". Someone can help me ? |
| 09:23.30 | dantoned | __/\__CHECKOUTMYASSHOLE |
| 09:23.31 | fakirism | _\/\/_ |
| 09:23.31 | paiockes | //_/\_\\ |
| 09:23.32 | cotising | \_\_\/_/_/IT'SLIKESTARINGINTOTHEFACEOFGOD |
| 09:23.33 | paiockes | __/\/\__ASKITQUESTIONS,COOATIT |
| 09:23.33 | cotising | \/ |
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| 09:23.43 | pipeline | Space_NL: I'm guessing it's a USB mouse |
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| 09:23.50 | pipeline | Space_NL: Which would be hid and mousedev |
| 09:23.50 | vladkao | cool, ascii-art bots :-) |
| 09:23.51 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@chello080108252196.4.14.tuwien.teleweb.at] by helix |
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| 09:23.56 | pipeline | Space_NL: plus whatever your host controller is |
| 09:23.56 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@70.Red-80-36-222.pooles.rima-tde.net] by helix |
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| 09:24.05 | pipeline | Space_NL: I suggest you install hotplug and seee if hotplug detects it |
| 09:24.08 | jm_ | cooperative flood |
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| 09:24.16 | cafuego | Space_NL would know about 'boerenkool'. |
| 09:24.16 | maikrohvt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.18 | Space_NL | pipeline: host controller for usb u mean ? (*never used usb on linux so far ..* |
| 09:24.20 | fablings | __/\__CHECKOUTMYASSHOLE |
| 09:24.22 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@210.77.117.212] by helix |
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| 09:24.26 | nagual | go helix :) |
| 09:24.27 | Overand | not to mention that they're *goatse* cooperative ascii bots |
| 09:24.28 | tarheelcoxn | pipeline: I'm told I should log out and check the "save settings" box |
| 09:24.29 | cafuego | helix: Just ban all 8-char nicks. |
| 09:24.31 | helix | tis sucks |
| 09:24.33 | helix | this too |
| 09:24.39 | Space_NL | cafuego: boerenkool is lekker ! |
| 09:24.42 | Overand | helix: reminds me of efnet. |
| 09:24.46 | jm_ | I've seen better looking goatse ascii art ;) |
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| 09:24.56 | Space_NL | pipeline: thnx ! |
| 09:24.57 | nagual | helix: dont you have any bots you add bans to? |
| 09:25.02 | maikrohvt | so any idea ? should i set special boot arguments or smt ? |
| 09:25.03 | Overand | helix: we had a very, very large botnet slamming one of my channels with random 8-character nicks from compomised boxes *all over* the world. |
| 09:25.06 | Overand | it sucked |
| 09:25.11 | cafuego | nagual: That's what services are for. |
| 09:25.12 | helix | hum :( |
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| 09:25.20 | nagual | cafuego: chanserv? |
| 09:25.31 | tarheelcoxn | pipeline: problem is that it doesn't load in the correct workspace when I log in |
| 09:25.33 | cafuego | nagual: For instance, yes. |
| 09:25.36 | peterS | Overand: your puny botnet is no match for our superior ops |
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| 09:25.48 | Space_NL | Overand: mode +i ? |
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| 09:25.54 | tarheelcoxn | it will only load in the login workspace (ie. the first one) |
| 09:25.57 | cafuego | mode +m |
| 09:26.01 | mike | lol, +i .. |
| 09:26.05 | maikrohvt | ? |
| 09:26.08 | Space_NL | mode +m wont stop a join/part flood .. |
| 09:26.15 | caudling | LOL GNAA PWNZ J00 |
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| 09:26.19 | peterS | helix: caudling, wnlkjwuf |
| 09:26.19 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@193.194.70.123] by helix |
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| 09:26.23 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@25a7af180fa5ba12.node.tor] by helix |
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| 09:26.34 | helix | unmilked looks suspicious too |
| 09:26.36 | unmilked | FAG |
| 09:26.37 | peterS | *.node.tor. lovely. |
| 09:26.38 | *** mode/#Debian [+b *!*@213.74.56.50] by helix |
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| 09:27.05 | cafuego | flatties has 8 chars too |
| 09:27.08 | helix | yeah |
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| 09:27.14 | helix | hmm |
| 09:27.19 | mike | geez |
| 09:27.36 | maikrohvt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.38 | helix | I don't have another op to help me :/ |
| 09:27.45 | peterS | helix: nobody legitimate from *.node.tor in #debian, maybe a +b would be appropriate, at least for now. OTOH only one suspicious character came from there just now |
| 09:27.47 | cafuego | helix: Yeah, do it |
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| 09:28.25 | cafuego | Ooh, botnet quitmsg spam. |
| 09:28.27 | tools-lt | jm_, kevix : thanks for the hints, I looked at argouml, but it wasn't what I needed. |
| 09:28.29 | mike | mv *!*@* /dev/null |
| 09:28.30 | cafuego | That's a new one. |
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| 09:28.50 | helix | has anyone mentioned this in #freenode yet? |
| 09:28.53 | asuffield | cafuego: that's because it doesn't really work. I defeated that years ago |
| 09:28.59 | cafuego | helix: #freenode is +m |
| 09:29.17 | tarheelcoxn | cafuego: is your nick CA+fuego (ie. California fire) or Cafu+ego (ego of a soccer star)? |
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| 09:29.23 | maikrohvt | i think i dont get answer because nobody dosen't really know nothing;) |
| 09:29.27 | cafuego | tarheelcoxn: no |
| 09:29.33 | tarheelcoxn | neither? |
| 09:29.38 | cafuego | tarheelcoxn: indeed. |
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| 09:29.55 | helix | cafuego: well, some people might've already had +v in there, but I just joined and mentioned it anyway |
| 09:30.00 | asuffield | california sucks |
| 09:30.06 | cafuego | cafu is a brazilian, I'm dutch... |
| 09:30.07 | mike | is there anothter IRC chat gateway similar to bitlbee with file transfers? |
| 09:30.18 | man_in_shack | gateway? |
| 09:30.25 | Space_NL | so cafuego likes boerenkool too then ? |
| 09:30.33 | cjfp | can a fucked up elephat go orange? |
| 09:30.40 | mike | yes it can |
| 09:30.42 | cafuego | Space_NL: used to, they don't have it here in melbourne (too hot) |
| 09:30.45 | helix | cafuego: do you use a bottle scraper? flessenlikker or something |
| 09:31.00 | cafuego | helix: Only for bottles my tongue doesn't fit in... |
| 09:31.05 | tools-lt | maikrohvt: Nah, there just being busy. All great men are. :) But personaly, I think you should try another CD, sounds like a broken disk. |
| 09:31.13 | cafuego | helix: flessenlikker is correct :-) |
| 09:31.16 | helix | woo |
| 09:31.20 | Space_NL | cafuego: hmm, u mean they eat potatoes cooked but cold there ? (like they do in Chile ?) |
| 09:31.22 | helix | it's like a dutch aphex twin song |
| 09:31.30 | milestone | i have a problem with a couple of apache installations. since my latest update it just dies after some time. might this be a problem with logrotation? |
| 09:31.31 | cafuego | Though it was flesselikker under the old spelling. |
| 09:31.43 | cafuego | Stupid new rules. |
| 09:31.43 | Space_NL | flessenlikker afaik |
| 09:31.46 | man_in_shack | closest thing i can think of is irc client |
| 09:31.50 | Overand | hahaha |
| 09:31.56 | Overand | dutch afx song |
| 09:32.01 | cafuego | Space_NL: When I was in school those rules didn't exist yet. |
| 09:32.12 | helix | Overand: do you know what flessenlikker means? |
| 09:32.30 | maikrohvt | Well actualythis is the second cd i am trying on. First i thought i maybe burn it to fast but i burned the second cd really slow ( 1200kb/s ) |
| 09:32.30 | helix | cafuego: how do you say window in dutch? |
| 09:32.37 | cafuego | helix: raam |
| 09:32.41 | mike | man_in_shack: go look at bitlbee.org |
| 09:32.44 | helix | raamlikker |
| 09:32.44 | cafuego | helix: aka venster |
| 09:32.48 | peterS | cafuego: nothing analogous to .de 'fenster'? |
| 09:32.52 | peterS | ahhh (: |
| 09:32.54 | asuffield | helix: are you being a pervert again? |
| 09:32.55 | helix | there we go |
| 09:32.56 | cjfp | afx outbid me on ebay by $100! |
| 09:33.01 | tarheelcoxn | milestone: error on death? |
| 09:33.04 | helix | asuffield: nah, there's an aphex twin song called window licker |
| 09:33.05 | cjfp | s/100/25/ |
| 09:33.11 | cafuego | helix: ik ga elke dag met get busje naar school. Ik ben HEEL speciaal. |
| 09:33.13 | tools-lt | maikrohvt: Hmm, weird. Maybe try the cd in another system ( if you got one ), just to be sure. |
| 09:33.14 | helix | flessenlikker is 'bottle licker' or something |
| 09:33.21 | mike | window licker is a mad song |
| 09:33.31 | tools-lt | maikrohvt: Else you might try loading kernel26 ( try F1 for boot options ) |
| 09:33.33 | tarheelcoxn | mike: amen |
| 09:33.33 | peterS | helix: in what sort of context would the term 'bottle licker' ever be useful? |
| 09:33.36 | cafuego | asuffield: As a matter of fact, she was. She accused me of being a windowlicker. |
| 09:33.42 | Space_NL | cafuego heeft adhd ? |
| 09:33.48 | man_in_shack | mike, ah i see |
| 09:33.50 | helix | peterS: it's a freakishly weird device the dutch use to scrape pudding out of containers |
| 09:34.01 | helix | peterS: apparently it was invented for this express purpose instead of fixing the damn bottles |
| 09:34.02 | cafuego | peterS: it's a rubber implement for scraping the last little bit of sauce form a bottle. |
| 09:34.04 | peterS | helix: oh, like a garden-variety rubber scraper? |
| 09:34.09 | tools-lt | peterS: Where cheap bastards. :) |
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| 09:34.28 | asuffield | helix: I think that keeping pudding in bottles would be the problem, not the bottles themselves :P |
| 09:34.31 | helix | peterS: well, it looks a bit like a spatula |
| 09:34.32 | cafuego | tools-lt: No we're not, we think we should recycle only CLEAN bottles. |
| 09:34.40 | helix | asuffield: I cannot begin to comprehend the dutch frame of mind |
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| 09:34.46 | Space_NL | a flessenlikker was indeed invented cos someone did not want to trow away the last bit in a bottle .. grin .. |
| 09:34.49 | *** mode/#Debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 09:34.49 | asuffield | helix: *drugs* |
| 09:34.54 | peterS | cafuego: rinsing them out and thus wasting that last couple grams of product would, I suppose, be too much to ask |
| 09:34.56 | helix | true |
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| 09:35.08 | helix | cafuego: that's so not true |
| 09:35.09 | cafuego | peterS: Why waste the water? |
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| 09:35.30 | peterS | cafuego: telefoonbeantwoordapparaat? telephone answering machine? |
| 09:35.32 | maikrohvt | Hm, i was wondering how can i boot with kernel26 ? |
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| 09:35.47 | tools-lt | peterS: Correct, now choice a door! :) |
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| 09:35.49 | asuffield | I got something about cafuego and helix doing something perverted |
| 09:36.05 | sanxiyn | Anyone remember Fabrice Bellard seeking sponsorship, while releasing QEMU accelerator in closed source? |
| 09:36.07 | cafuego | peterS: The thing is, the pudding helix mentions isn't pudding as you know it, but a thick custard, of which about a quarter will remain in the bottle if not flessenlicked out. |
| 09:36.08 | peterS | asuffield: that's not unusual in #debian. one has to assume they only do this online |
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| 09:36.13 | tools-lt | maikrohvt: at boot type kernel26<enter> I believe |
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| 09:36.17 | helix | haha, flessenlicked |
| 09:36.22 | kevix | asuffield, OCD ? |
| 09:36.23 | asuffield | peterS: I'm not sure I want to think about it that hard |
| 09:36.27 | peterS | cafuego: a bottle with a wider mouth would seem to be in order, then |
| 09:36.27 | maikrohvt | nop, i tryed that one |
| 09:36.30 | sanxiyn | It seems that Fabrice got his sponsorship... |
| 09:36.36 | cafuego | asuffield: You should see our transparent latex thongs... |
| 09:36.45 | asuffield | cafuego: I really think I shouldn' |
| 09:36.45 | asuffield | t |
| 09:36.49 | helix | that was a truly fascinating conversation |
| 09:36.59 | cafuego | peterS: Well, they USED to be like milk cartons, but some retard decided bottles would be better. |
| 09:37.03 | peterS | asuffield: then you really don't want to ask helix and cafuego about their shaved genitalia |
| 09:37.14 | peterS | cafuego: heh |
| 09:37.17 | maikrohvt | and also there wasn't nothing on F1 about kernel26 |
| 09:37.21 | helix | oooh, smooth |
| 09:37.24 | tools-lt | maikrohvt: I don't know out of the top of my head, but use the F1/F2 buttons on boot:, it should be stated there |
| 09:37.32 | superSSS | Does anyone know a channel where parisc development is discussed? |
| 09:37.43 | peterS | superSSS: what about it? |
| 09:37.47 | cafuego | peterS: I suppose the idea was that glass can be recycled whereas plasticised cardboard can't. |
| 09:37.52 | pipeline | superSSS: There is no such thing as PA-RISC development. |
| 09:38.06 | sanxiyn | Summary: Win4Lin declared they will support QEMU development. |
| 09:38.08 | superSSS | parisc kernel hacking |
| 09:38.23 | pipeline | PA-RISC kernel migration. |
| 09:38.30 | sanxiyn | (You can see why, rather easily.) |
| 09:38.32 | maikrohvt | ok, it was linux26 |
| 09:38.34 | pipeline | Any coding you do on PA-RISC has to be called "migration" or they'll can you. |
| 09:38.38 | peterS | superSSS: there's #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net but that is certainly not hppa-specific. they might know, anyway |
| 09:38.54 | tools-lt | cafuego: And you go to the store twice, so you buy more of it. :) |
| 09:39.04 | cafuego | ANd on that note I'm off to have a shave and some dessert |
| 09:39.07 | Space_NL | is there anything known on the 2.6 kernel in sarge, and the X server not able to start up ? (it tries to start, then returns a command line back to me) |
| 09:39.10 | helix | haha |
| 09:39.16 | rikva | deadcat: should I download the sarge netinst or woody? |
| 09:39.20 | peterS | cafuego: make sure the likk all of it up |
| 09:39.23 | cafuego | (but not neccesarily in that order) |
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| 09:39.35 | peterS | s/the/to/ |
| 09:39.46 | tools-lt | Space_NL: Check you XFree Logs in /var/log, should be some details (Search for EE) |
| 09:39.53 | cjfp | sarge rikva, assuming desktop |
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| 09:40.07 | rikva | cjfp: thanks, it is indeed for desktop use |
| 09:40.07 | Space_NL | tools-lt: thnx .. |
| 09:40.16 | cafuego | helix: http://www.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~pr/garten/schau/varacephala/Curly_Kale.html |
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| 09:40.39 | cjfp | rikva: just don't worry about updating to sid (unstable) |
| 09:40.47 | Space_NL | what was the program name for the program that let u choose the modules u need in the kernel (as my network card is not in the 2.4/2.6 kernel :( ) |
| 09:40.50 | helix | cafuego: yeah, that looks like what I ate -- like vegan brains or something |
| 09:40.58 | peterS | BRAAAAANES |
| 09:41.12 | rikva | cjfp: what do you mean? |
| 09:41.14 | cjfp | rikva: you'll get packages updated a bit slower, but you're less likely to get bitten |
| 09:41.26 | peterS | Space_NL: modconf |
| 09:41.34 | cafuego | helix: I think the seaweed thing gets its name from looking like this cabbage. |
| 09:41.44 | asuffield | peterS: bran? are you a constipated zombie or something? |
| 09:41.45 | cafuego | helix: Still, the cabbage one is NICE (with some vinegar) |
| 09:41.46 | helix | cafuego: how do you say lips in dutch? |
| 09:41.51 | cafuego | helix: lippen |
| 09:41.52 | helix | cafuego: yeah |
| 09:41.59 | helix | haha, mmm, lippenlikker |
| 09:42.00 | cafuego | helix: lippen likken (soms flessen) |
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| 09:42.05 | cjfp | rikva: stable == woody, testing == sarge, unstable == sid |
| 09:42.09 | helix | I'm a kale likker |
| 09:42.10 | mike | cjfp: wtf is with that fucked up elephant thingy? |
| 09:42.12 | peterS | asuffield: yes |
| 09:42.18 | cjfp | first letters mike |
| 09:42.29 | helix | oh wait, peterS was getting his math on |
| 09:42.32 | helix | maths |
| 09:42.34 | cafuego | helix: kale is boerenkool (farmer's cabbage) in dutch. |
| 09:42.36 | asuffield | helix: are you channelling beavis and butthead? |
| 09:42.39 | peterS | helix: my maths? |
| 09:42.51 | tools-lt | rikva: But sarge is frozen, so that should mean that by 2007 sarge == stable and sid == testing right. ;) |
| 09:42.55 | cafuego | asuffield: HELIX NEEDS TP! |
| 09:43.04 | helix | boerenKOOL |
| 09:43.07 | cafuego | veggie maths |
| 09:43.09 | helix | how appropriate |
| 09:43.10 | Overand | tools-lt: 'sid' is always the name of the top branch |
| 09:43.17 | helix | peterS: maths is hard to say |
| 09:43.17 | mike | cjfp: of what? |
| 09:43.19 | guorker | !time |
| 09:43.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Thu Mar 10 09:43:19 2005 |
| 09:43.23 | cjfp | mike: of the phrase! |
| 09:43.25 | cafuego | that's maths for windowlickers |
| 09:43.31 | cjfp | mike: put them together! |
| 09:43.39 | guorker | !time |
| 09:43.39 | dpkg | i heard time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Thu Mar 10 09:43:39 2005 |
| 09:43.43 | cafuego | helix: try saying it with a mouth ful of cabbage |
| 09:43.46 | tools-lt | Overand: great, I learned something today. So sarge == stable, <new name> == testing and sid == unstable right? |
| 09:43.47 | peterS | helix: perhaps a bit |
| 09:43.50 | rikva | I am always a little afraid of using unstable software :/ |
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| 09:44.04 | peterS | helix: no harder than 'cthulfuego', though |
| 09:44.07 | helix | peterS: it's like trying to say 'rural' if you haven't practiced |
| 09:44.12 | guorker | dpkg is a robot? |
| 09:44.17 | peterS | guorker: yes |
| 09:44.17 | guorker | !time |
| 09:44.17 | dpkg | i heard time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Thu Mar 10 09:44:17 2005 |
| 09:44.19 | mike | cjfp: canafuckedupelephantgoorange? |
| 09:44.21 | cafuego | guorker: in a way, yes |
| 09:44.22 | agney | guorker, yeap |
| 09:44.22 | helix | when I was little and I tried to say 'world', I couldn't so I'd cry for hours |
| 09:44.29 | peterS | ha |
| 09:44.30 | guorker | oh |
| 09:44.31 | cjfp | somebody help mike out |
| 09:44.38 | asuffield | helix: you must have been a very stupid child |
| 09:44.45 | cjfp | can a fucked up elephant go orange |
| 09:44.45 | InitMass | do i get worse sound quality when i use esound instead of alsa as output plugin in xmms? |
| 09:44.46 | guorker | why he can talk with me yesterday> |
| 09:44.53 | kevix | tools-lt, the next testing will be called 'etch' |
| 09:44.59 | cjfp | cafuego? |
| 09:45.03 | helix | asuffield: that would depend a bit on the age I was at. but I was like 3 :) |
| 09:45.07 | guorker | testing ? |
| 09:45.12 | peterS | guorker: dpkg answers specific queries with specific preprogrammed answers. occasionally it does so in such a way that it can fool people into thinking it is not a bot |
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| 09:45.22 | mike | ahh |
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| 09:45.31 | mike | ok |
| 09:45.33 | cjfp | took you long enough, guy! :) |
| 09:45.40 | cafuego | cjfp: What? Elephant? No, lime. |
| 09:45.41 | asuffield | and who the hell has trouble saying 'rural'? it's two fricking syllables |
| 09:45.50 | kevix | rikva, debian 'unstable' is more stable than most. the 'unstable' means that it changes often because there is where all new packages go to be tested first. |
| 09:45.52 | guorker | how can talk with the man |
| 09:46.00 | cafuego | asuffield: many japanese and chinese people do. |
| 09:46.02 | rikva | ahh |
| 09:46.05 | peterS | guorker: I'm the man. what did you want? |
| 09:46.18 | guorker | I mean dpkg |
| 09:46.22 | asuffield | cafuego: they shouldn't, it's easy in japanese at least |
| 09:46.32 | guorker | the robot |
| 09:46.37 | cjfp | ruraru |
| 09:46.48 | peterS | guorker: you can /msg it. I don't understand the problem you're having |
| 09:46.55 | cjfp | i can't even say it in japanese |
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| 09:46.59 | guorker | heh |
| 09:46.59 | helix | asuffield: dunno, a lot of people (non-native speakers) I know can't really say it |
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| 09:47.09 | guorker | why not understand |
| 09:47.13 | helix | including at least one japanese person |
| 09:47.15 | asuffield | helix: I think you just hang out with thickies |
| 09:47.26 | cafuego | they ahve issue with flied lice though, so rural won't be that great either, i leckon. |
| 09:47.29 | EvanCarroll | i saw south park koreans have problems with lonely |
| 09:47.30 | cjfp | i want you to lip my stockings! |
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| 09:47.33 | EvanCarroll | or atleast their puppets |
| 09:47.36 | helix | nah |
| 09:47.37 | peterS | asuffield: she makes a habit of hanging out with debian and ubuntu people, so that wouldn't be too surprising |
| 09:47.45 | EvanCarroll | team america rather =/ |
| 09:47.48 | guorker | there is a lot of things in the world that you don't understand. |
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| 09:47.52 | helix | someone's jealous |
| 09:47.57 | ildegar | what does this stand for: ? |
| 09:47.57 | sanxiyn | Anything involving "r" is tough to pronounce. |
| 09:47.59 | ildegar | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 09:47.59 | ildegar | Xlib: Invalid XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 key (failed key comparison) |
| 09:48.00 | ildegar | (firefox-bin:2265): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 09:48.24 | guorker | why refused |
| 09:48.32 | peterS | guorker: you are not making any sense |
| 09:48.32 | cafuego | peterS wished he ran ubuntu |
| 09:48.40 | cjfp | sanxiyn: i'd say anything where a western 'r' or 'l' is required is hard to pronounce |
| 09:48.45 | peterS | guorker: maybe it would work better if you were to find a channel where people speak your native language |
| 09:48.49 | cafuego | !confuse guorker |
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| 09:48.50 | dpkg | No, how is your gouda today, guorker? lederhosen of the democracy of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
| 09:48.51 | peterS | cafuego: oh, totally |
| 09:49.01 | cafuego | micronesia! |
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| 09:49.09 | enyc | maybe you running as a user who doesn't have the right xauthority or whatever (e.g. runnign as a different user to that who started the Xserver?) |
| 09:49.11 | peterS | cafuego: I just salivate for those racy desktop background images |
| 09:49.12 | guorker | i like here,can't i? |
| 09:49.17 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Well, I can pronounce English 'l' quite well. But 'dark l' is tough. |
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| 09:49.25 | cafuego | peterS: boobcrack? |
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| 09:49.55 | peterS | cafuego: I have no idea what they call it. I don't even know what their backgrounds series looks like except for the famous screenshots of the warty default install |
| 09:50.01 | cjfp | sanxiyn: it just depends, right? some parts of china, there's no r, other parts, there's no l |
| 09:50.07 | guorker | There's lot of people here which native language is not engllish. |
| 09:50.10 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Well, I am Korean. |
| 09:50.13 | ildegar | enyc, I have only one user + root and it says the same thing with both |
| 09:50.30 | sanxiyn | Korean has its own version of "r", which sounds as in American "water" or "better". Alveolar flap, to be precise. |
| 09:50.35 | cjfp | but i think it sounds like japanese |
| 09:50.52 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Not by much. |
| 09:50.59 | asuffield | americans pronounce both those words without an 'r' :P |
| 09:51.00 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Korean and Japanese has very different phonology. |
| 09:51.12 | sanxiyn | asuffield: I mean, "tt" as in "better". |
| 09:51.18 | cafuego | asuffield: Which ones, north or south americans? |
| 09:51.20 | cjfp | sanxiyn: it's weird, i watched some korean film and it reminded me of japanese |
| 09:51.23 | sanxiyn | asuffield: That is a kind of "r" sound, no? |
| 09:51.35 | cjfp | sanxiyn: unless it was another language and i'm just overtired atm |
| 09:51.39 | asuffield | radically different. the korean, japanese, and chinese spoken languages don't sound anything alike |
| 09:51.42 | asuffield | sanxiyn: oh, you mean rednecks |
| 09:51.51 | cjfp | asuffield: what? |
| 09:51.59 | deadcat | asuffield: they preffer the turn country singer. not redneck |
| 09:52.27 | helix | asuffield: eh? we pronounce those words with an R |
| 09:52.29 | asuffield | deadcat: I prefer redneck |
| 09:52.33 | helix | it's the brits and aussies who don't |
| 09:52.35 | helix | "watah" |
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| 09:52.43 | guorker | You are talking about spoken language in #debian channel? |
| 09:52.47 | cjfp | there are so many words in japanese and chinese that are the same. |
| 09:52.47 | peterS | deadcat: no, you don't get to be a country singer unless you have actual musical talent. standards for country music, as far as talent goes, are quite a bit higher than for other forms of modern popular music |
| 09:52.52 | guorker | sorry,are you ... |
| 09:53.03 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Huh? |
| 09:53.05 | helix | it's true |
| 09:53.06 | guorker | cifp is right |
| 09:53.16 | deadcat | peterS: you dont get the joke. its from family guys. |
| 09:53.16 | guorker | I'm chinese |
| 09:53.19 | cjfp | sanxiyn: japanese is 60% homologous with chinese |
| 09:53.22 | cjfp | or more |
| 09:53.26 | peterS | deadcat: indeed, that's a show I haven't really watched |
| 09:53.32 | deadcat | peterS: hehe |
| 09:53.33 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Shoot. Phonology is completely different. Loanwords doesn't matter much. |
| 09:53.38 | cjfp | not loanwords |
| 09:53.45 | sanxiyn | Chinese is tonal language, to begin... |
| 09:53.46 | cjfp | chinese monks invaded japan |
| 09:53.46 | guorker | why no me? |
| 09:53.51 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Haha |
| 09:53.53 | asuffield | cjfp: umm, the languages are *radically* different in construction. the fact that they have the same words on paper doesn't mean a lot |
| 09:53.55 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Learn some basic history. |
| 09:54.01 | zahod | to someone not familiar with either of the languages, korean and japanese do sound very similar I think |
| 09:54.07 | deadcat | whos selling crack now? |
| 09:54.09 | cjfp | sanxiyn: i've taken japanese and my girlfriend is cantonese |
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| 09:54.27 | asuffield | zahod: so do starlings and horses, but that doesn't mean very much |
| 09:54.28 | cjfp | the only language i don't know much about is korean |
| 09:54.33 | sanxiyn | cjfp: And China invaded Japan and colonized it? That didn't happen at all. |
| 09:54.40 | cjfp | i didn't say that |
| 09:54.46 | cjfp | invaded isn't the right word |
| 09:54.52 | kevix | its a polyglot world after all! |
| 09:54.54 | cjfp | but chinese monks brought writing to japan |
| 09:55.13 | asuffield | cjfp: which is why the japanese written system is so different to its spoken system |
| 09:55.15 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Well, Japan got Chinese writing *through* Korea. |
| 09:55.15 | guorker | cifp is wrong |
| 09:55.30 | asuffield | (skipping over the historical inaccuracies for a moment) |
| 09:55.31 | cjfp | really? |
| 09:55.34 | sanxiyn | cjfp: If you look at the map, that will make more sense. |
| 09:55.34 | deadcat | !start a races war |
| 09:55.35 | guorker | sure |
| 09:55.46 | cjfp | okay, someone told me that, but i should have looked it up. |
| 09:55.51 | asuffield | the written system came much later, and is vaguely based on the chinese one. the spoken system is completely different |
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| 09:56.18 | cjfp | http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/asst001/fall97/mat-wite.htm |
| 09:56.23 | cjfp | ok ok ok |
| 09:56.26 | cjfp | i'm dumb |
| 09:56.35 | cjfp | but still, there's a lot of overlap there |
| 09:57.12 | cjfp | the spoken system is derived from the writing system |
| 09:57.17 | sanxiyn | Korean has three-way distinction of stops, but doesn't distinguish voiced and unvoiced consonant. Japanese is exactly opposite. |
| 09:57.24 | sanxiyn | cjfp: That's laughable. |
| 09:57.28 | cjfp | asuffield: in japanese, library is toshokan |
| 09:57.33 | cjfp | what is it in chinese? |
| 09:57.41 | guorker | you must ask me |
| 09:57.43 | cjfp | toshuquan, or something (spelling is wrong) |
| 09:57.46 | deadcat | toshuguan |
| 09:57.52 | guorker | about chinese! |
| 09:57.59 | sanxiyn | It's 圖書館. |
| 09:58.01 | guorker | yes |
| 09:58.03 | asuffield | cjfp: umm, just because they look the same when transliterated into english doesn't mean they'll sound the same when pronounced |
| 09:58.05 | guorker | ͼ |
| 09:58.12 | guorker | tu shu guan |
| 09:58.22 | tarheelcoxn | anybody know how I can get gaim to load in a specific virtual desktop when gnome loads? |
| 09:58.34 | sanxiyn | guorker: Please include tones too :-) |
| 09:58.40 | cjfp | asuffield: in this case it does! |
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| 09:58.46 | guorker | why |
| 09:58.54 | cjfp | not "identical" |
| 09:58.55 | deadcat | this is #debian-cn ? |
| 09:58.57 | guorker | you mean shut up |
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| 09:59.12 | sanxiyn | deadcat: No, this is #debian. |
| 09:59.24 | cjfp | at 4:59 am |
| 09:59.25 | kevix | sanxiyn, what font is needed. I see unicode numbers/ |
| 09:59.33 | guorker | they are taling japan,chinse adn korea |
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| 09:59.42 | kevix | cjfp, EST |
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| 09:59.48 | sanxiyn | kevix: I am using ttf-arphic-* fonts. |
| 10:00.11 | kevix | sanxiyn, thanks! |
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| 10:01.12 | guorker | !tones |
| 10:01.50 | cjfp | anyway, you won't find many people who speak both chinese and japanese that don't find similarities between both written and spoken forms. |
| 10:02.06 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Written form, I fully agree, spoken form, not at all. |
| 10:02.14 | sanxiyn | cjfp: They have even different word order, to begin with. |
| 10:02.22 | cjfp | sanxiyn: i mean pronounciation |
| 10:02.29 | cjfp | not sentence structure and grammar |
| 10:02.32 | sanxiyn | (Chinese SVO, Japanese SOV, roughly speaking.) |
| 10:02.44 | asuffield | japanese is more or less freeform |
| 10:02.50 | asuffield | (like latin) |
| 10:02.56 | cjfp | japanese is SOV, more or less |
| 10:02.58 | sanxiyn | asuffield: Well, there is still "unmarked" word order. |
| 10:03.02 | asuffield | it's SOV by convention, nothing more |
| 10:03.27 | tarheelcoxn | somebody point me to a cookbook for fvwm or metacity that will get me gaim, gnome-terminal, etc. in the virtual desktops I designate, please? |
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| 10:03.42 | asuffield | (in conversaional japanese they use whatever order comes to hand) |
| 10:03.50 | asuffield | s/saio/satio/ |
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| 10:04.15 | kevix | tarheelcoxn, would gnome-desktop-environment help? |
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| 10:04.35 | sanxiyn | kevix: He is asking for window manager configuration recipe... |
| 10:04.53 | sanxiyn | kevix: Not packages. |
| 10:05.01 | nagual | asuffield: are you japanese? |
| 10:05.06 | kevix | ok. |
| 10:05.18 | cjfp | sanxiyn: but obviously i'm not so idiotic as to think that just because you're chinese or japanese means you can easily learn the other language. i just mean the pronounciations of words common to both are similar. |
| 10:05.31 | guorker | !time |
| 10:05.31 | dpkg | [time] found on http://www.time.com/, or Thu Mar 10 10:05:32 2005 |
| 10:05.34 | cjfp | and i realize tones matter way more in chinese too |
| 10:06.09 | cjfp | except japanese words have onyomi and kunyomi |
| 10:06.15 | cjfp | the onyomi is the chinese reading |
| 10:06.17 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Like English and French has so many similar words. |
| 10:06.22 | cjfp | it means "sound reading" |
| 10:06.38 | deadcat | how do i clear my mailq? postqueue -f doesnt seem to work |
| 10:06.56 | cjfp | sanxiyn: perhaps more overlap than that |
| 10:06.59 | sanxiyn | cjfp: That's actually strange way to put it. It's more like "meaning writing", since spoken language is primary, written language is secondary. |
| 10:07.03 | sanxiyn | cjfp: I'd say less... |
| 10:07.14 | cjfp | sanxiyn: i guess it depends |
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| 10:07.30 | asuffield | nagual: no, I just observe |
| 10:07.45 | tarheelcoxn | deadcat: is postqueque your mta? |
| 10:07.49 | nagual | so you observe, as opposed to being japanese? :) |
| 10:07.51 | cjfp | the chinese readings for kanji sound like the chinese pronounciations of those words, generally |
| 10:08.11 | deadcat | tarheelcoxn: postfix |
| 10:08.19 | dobby | i have alittle problem i installed a new kernel but when i boot i get the error VFS: Unable to mount root fs on (3,2) but in my grub.conf i have root (hd0,1) ? |
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| 10:08.46 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Actually, it corresponds regularly to Chinese pronounciation of 8th century. |
| 10:08.49 | tarheelcoxn | deadcat: sorry... |
| 10:08.50 | asuffield | nagual: right, when a person does this professionally they're called a "linguist" |
| 10:08.58 | kevix | dobby, did you run the update-grub thingy? |
| 10:09.00 | valdyn_ | dobby: did you compile support for your root fs and support for your ide interface? |
| 10:09.01 | jarmo | howto get my tv out working, I have ati radeon graphics card, and when I switch on my tv, it seems like Chinise guys having a rice war.. if you know what I mean |
| 10:09.29 | sanxiyn | cjfp: It's what is called "Middle Chinese", or 中古漢語. |
| 10:09.29 | dobby | yes i did. I also created a ramdisk for the new kernel |
| 10:09.30 | fatal__ | Hmm... I'm running Sarge with apache2 (not threaded) and php4 .... With the latest update there's some new thread safety stuff in php4, right? ... I get "Warning: dl(): Not supported in multithreaded Web servers...." now... (Even though I'm not using a multithreaded webserver)... does anyone know if I can continue using dl() in php4 with apache2? |
| 10:09.34 | nagual | asuffield: ah, im a linguist, and i dont get paid for it ;-) |
| 10:09.35 | valdyn_ | dobby: a ramdisk? |
| 10:09.38 | cjfp | sanxiyn: hence the mixed up comments about monks |
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| 10:10.00 | Gumby | OMG. I think apt has gone crazy. |
| 10:10.10 | asuffield | nobody really knows *who* brought kanji to japan, that predates recorded history since it (obviously) predates writing :P |
| 10:10.12 | cjfp | cjfp: but still, even basic words like "love" are the same in both |
| 10:10.12 | valdyn_ | dobby: dont bother with initrd, but compile in statically, your fs , your ide - interface's drivers |
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| 10:10.34 | dobby | valdyn_: thank you i'll do that |
| 10:11.01 | tarheelcoxn | Gumby: it was ever sane? |
| 10:11.09 | sanxiyn | asuffield: On the other hand, early Japanese use of simplified Kanji looks suspiciously similar to Korean simplification tradition. That says something. |
| 10:11.11 | jarmo | so no1 has ideas? |
| 10:11.20 | asuffield | sanxiyn: sure, it probably came from korea. we just have no idea how |
| 10:11.29 | sanxiyn | (Simplification, which is separate from mainland tradition) |
| 10:11.48 | asuffield | the existence of half a dozen contradictory myths on the subject doesn't help either |
| 10:11.52 | Gumby | I just did an aot-cache searach ivtv. it returned 3 packages one of which was ivtv-modules. So I then did apt-get install ivtv-modules and it said already installed. So I did apt-get remove ivtv-modules and then apt-get install ivtv-modules and it tells me the package is not available but is referred to be another pacakge blah blah. |
| 10:11.55 | sanxiyn | Indeed. |
| 10:12.09 | Gumby | so then I do apt-cache search ivtv... and the ivtv-modules packages is no longer listed |
| 10:12.11 | cjfp | asuffield: people like me spreading fud about chinese monks invading probably doesn't help either |
| 10:12.17 | dobby | valdyn_: sorry for that question but what do you mean with support for my root fs. Do you mean when i have fs ext3 then i have to compile it build in and not as module? |
| 10:12.21 | Gumby | what the heck is up with that |
| 10:12.28 | asuffield | cjfp: I don't think you can do much damage that hasn't already been done by a few millenia of mythology |
| 10:12.31 | valdyn_ | dobby: exactly |
| 10:12.46 | dobby | valdyn_: ok thanks ;-) |
| 10:13.07 | cjfp | i don't really like simplified characters |
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| 10:13.17 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Any specific reason? |
| 10:13.24 | sanxiyn | (It's easier to write in paper, for one thing! :-) |
| 10:13.34 | cjfp | i like complicated things1 |
| 10:13.35 | asuffield | politics! the best reason for altering writing systems! |
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| 10:13.37 | cjfp | s/1/!/ |
| 10:13.40 | valdyn_ | dobby: as background, an initrd makes sense on distro kernels and on kernels that are generally supposed to run on alot of different hardware, not on your own kernel |
| 10:13.55 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Because you don't need to use it daily :-) |
| 10:14.00 | cjfp | i also think the characters are prettier |
| 10:14.08 | cjfp | sanxiyn: probably fair |
| 10:14.08 | ricky_clarkson | asuffield: Politics, a one way straße |
| 10:14.25 | asuffield | ricky_clarkson: with a market in it |
| 10:14.30 | dobby | valdyn_: ok thanks |
| 10:14.38 | cjfp | but people in hong kong manage to write |
| 10:14.47 | wjk | greetings, please suggest a way to install ( onto stable ) the newer jdk - i installed jdk1.1-* and friends, but these packages do not provide the jre tool i'm after -- thanks |
| 10:15.02 | ricky_clarkson | wjk: java-package |
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| 10:15.17 | guorker | Please include tones too :-0 |
| 10:15.20 | cjfp | (or managed ... is hk now forced to use simplified? i have no idea) |
| 10:15.21 | guorker | what mean |
| 10:15.26 | sanxiyn | cjfp: Also Taiwan... |
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| 10:15.34 | wjk | ricky_clarkson: thanks, shall i "apt-get install java-package" ? |
| 10:15.39 | cjfp | yes, i'm asleep here |
| 10:15.39 | ricky_clarkson | wjk: Apparently the java-package package works on stable, though it hasn't been introduced to stable. So you could manually download it and dpkg -i it. But don't blame me if it goes wrong. |
| 10:15.42 | sanxiyn | cjfp: No hk has its own charset. |
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| 10:15.51 | ricky_clarkson | wjk: You can try that first, of course. |
| 10:15.54 | guorker | no one answer it |
| 10:15.58 | guorker | why |
| 10:16.03 | sanxiyn | guorker: ? |
| 10:16.16 | ricky_clarkson | guorker: Is nonsense your native language? |
| 10:16.28 | guorker | what mean 'please inlcude tones too :-0' |
| 10:16.30 | guorker | no |
| 10:16.33 | wjk | ricky_clarkson: thanks, shall try the apt-get incantation first :) |
| 10:16.43 | ricky_clarkson | guorker: in what context? |
| 10:16.57 | guorker | somebody told to me |
| 10:16.59 | sanxiyn | guorker: It was in response to your toneless pinyin. |
| 10:17.01 | guorker | in this channel |
| 10:17.02 | cjfp | guorker: it means don't forget about tones |
| 10:17.31 | ricky_clarkson | guorker: Chinese is a tonal language. You lose some of the meaning if you omit tone. |
| 10:17.32 | kevix | tarheelcoxn, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5315.html |
| 10:17.46 | tarheelcoxn | kevix: you rock |
| 10:18.04 | cjfp | s/some/a lot/ |
| 10:18.04 | guorker | sure |
| 10:18.04 | Space_NL | oke .. i got something weird .. i installed woody, upgraded to sarge, then made my kernel 2.6 .. failed .. made kernel 2.4 .. working .. now i again want to try to make the kernel 2.6 .. but now it tells me i already am running the newest version, while uname -r does return the 2.4 kernel .. |
| 10:18.04 | guorker | I'm chinese |
| 10:18.04 | cjfp | but you can figure it out from context too |
| 10:18.07 | guorker | and i know this |
| 10:18.20 | guorker | I think the man wan't me shut up |
| 10:18.24 | ricky_clarkson | guorker: Please type a full sentence before pressing the return key. |
| 10:18.34 | guorker | sorry |
| 10:18.39 | kevix | tarheelcoxn, I just noticed North Carolina . hence tar heel! |
| 10:18.55 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: what does "made my kernel 2.6" mean? |
| 10:19.02 | ricky_clarkson | !chinese |
| 10:19.03 | dpkg | i guess chinese is Find Chinese on Debian at http://www.debian.org/intl/zh/, or try the channel #Chinese |
| 10:19.26 | Space_NL | valdyn_: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 (thats what i did :-) |
| 10:19.27 | cjfp | !tibetan |
| 10:19.29 | ricky_clarkson | What's the two-letter domain for China? .ch is switzerland iirc. |
| 10:19.33 | kevix | valdyn_, I guess he apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 ... |
| 10:19.40 | sanxiyn | ricky_clarkson: .cn |
| 10:19.40 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: beside that im very sure that apt-get will not tell you what you are running |
| 10:19.52 | tarheelcoxn | kevix: :D |
| 10:19.53 | guorker | !china |
| 10:19.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, china is a country, or what you eat from on holidays |
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| 10:20.10 | guorker | so you understand |
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| 10:20.20 | sanxiyn | guorker: I was the one who remarked about tone, to say "tu4 shu1 guan3" may be better than "tu shu guan". |
| 10:20.25 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: so, what _exactly_ is the problem? |
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| 10:20.42 | guorker | oh |
| 10:20.46 | guorker | :) |
| 10:20.47 | sanxiyn | (Heh, zhongwen.com is handy.) |
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| 10:20.58 | Space_NL | valdyn_: i ma running 2.4 kernel, but want to run 2.6 kernel .. but apt-get wont install 2.6 kernel, but instead returns i am already running it |
| 10:20.58 | tarheelcoxn | kevix: so I should write a shell script and call THAT when gnome loads? |
| 10:21.00 | guorker | I get my answer |
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| 10:21.13 | rover_dan | dpkg |
| 10:21.15 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: it may tell you that you already have it installed |
| 10:21.29 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: but Im not supposed to guess your error messages.. |
| 10:21.41 | Space_NL | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is already the newest version. |
| 10:21.43 | guorker | but in china,'tu4 ..' complexity |
| 10:22.00 | Space_NL | vanombergen:/home/dexter# uname -r |
| 10:22.00 | Space_NL | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 10:22.00 | guorker | dpkg |
| 10:22.14 | tarheelcoxn | or were the two commands something that get entered in a config somwhere? |
| 10:22.15 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: right, so its already installed, what is the problem? Is there any real error message? Do you use grub or lilo to boot? |
| 10:22.26 | tarheelcoxn | *somewhere |
| 10:22.27 | Space_NL | i use lilo to boot |
| 10:22.29 | guorker | and sanxiyn is wrong |
| 10:22.38 | ricky_clarkson | guorker: What's your Debian question? I missed it. |
| 10:22.44 | guorker | it must tu1 shu guan3 |
| 10:22.53 | sanxiyn | guorker: Ah. |
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| 10:23.14 | kevix | tarheelcoxn, that is one way. in the .xinitrc ? |
| 10:23.16 | Space_NL | no error msg .. but if the 2.6 kernel is installed, why doesnt it boot ? or is linuxOLD my 2.6 kernel then ? cos my "linuxOLD" gives a kernel panic while booting |
| 10:23.19 | guorker | sorry,I only can see they talking aubout tones |
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| 10:23.24 | sanxiyn | guorker: Eh, it seems others want us to stop offtopic discussion :( |
| 10:23.28 | guorker | not debian questing |
| 10:23.33 | guorker | sure |
| 10:23.40 | guorker | you are right |
| 10:23.50 | cjfp | sanxiyn guorker asuffield: nice talking about languages with you |
| 10:24.00 | sanxiyn | cjfp: No problem :-) |
| 10:24.00 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: edit lilo.conf manually and run lilo -v, or look at "man kernel-img.conf" to see as to why you're not booting off your newly installed kernel |
| 10:24.01 | guorker | ok |
| 10:24.05 | carnage | anyone know why this happens with apt-get install: E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-k7? |
| 10:24.08 | ricky_clarkson | There is a channel for off-topic discussion, #debian-offtopic, and you're free to join #chinese or use /msg to talk to each other too. |
| 10:24.20 | kevix | cjfp, sayonara |
| 10:24.29 | guorker | ha |
| 10:24.33 | cjfp | ciao kevix |
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| 10:24.42 | Space_NL | thnx valdyn_! |
| 10:24.51 | guorker | i ask a debian question |
| 10:24.52 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: paste /etc/kernel-img.conf in flood, i may be able to tell something quickly |
| 10:25.00 | helix | ricky_clarkson: party pooper |
| 10:25.06 | ricky_clarkson | helix: Yes. |
| 10:25.07 | guorker | what the lateast version of the kernel |
| 10:25.15 | ricky_clarkson | guorker: www.kernel.org |
| 10:25.16 | kevix | carnage, try 'apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6*' |
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| 10:26.10 | Space_NL | valdyn_: Boot image: /vmlinuz.old -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-686 <<== guess i found my 2.6 kernel .. |
| 10:26.21 | guorker | why do not said to me ? |
| 10:26.35 | guorker | my english ,you know ,like dpkg |
| 10:26.43 | guorker | I mean like robot |
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| 10:26.48 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: so you obviously installed a 2.4.x kernel _after_ your 2.6.8 kernel |
| 10:26.51 | cjfp | !confuse cjfp |
| 10:26.52 | dpkg | Yes, those are my badger tomorrow, cjfp? wellies of the democracy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 10:27.02 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: apt-get install --reinstall <your2.6kernel> |
| 10:27.05 | tarheelcoxn | kevix: thanks again. I think I'm gonna give that a shot after some sleep. |
| 10:27.14 | guorker | !confuse guorker |
| 10:27.14 | dpkg | No, where was my badger tomorrow, guorker? wellies of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra herring |
| 10:27.26 | guorker | dpkg is good |
| 10:27.45 | guorker | !time |
| 10:27.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Thu Mar 10 10:27:47 2005 |
| 10:28.00 | peterS | guorker: please stop playing with the bot |
| 10:28.00 | kevix | tarheelcoxn, sleep is good! brain@home shutdown -h now |
| 10:28.22 | Space_NL | valdyn_: thnx again! |
| 10:28.26 | peterS | guorker: it is only amusing to you. the rest of us have seen it all a thousand times |
| 10:29.22 | guorker | what |
| 10:29.37 | kevix | I think he's the guy who writes the spam I get! |
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| 10:30.28 | guorker | what you see it all a thousand times,peterS? |
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| 10:31.06 | peterS | guorker: playing with dpkg to make it say stuff |
| 10:31.10 | cjfp | guorker: Could you please tell us the problem you are having with Debian? |
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| 10:31.59 | guorker | I don't see your question too ,cjfp |
| 10:32.15 | cjfp | guorker: i already asked, and then i didn't leave. |
| 10:32.18 | kevix | guorker, why not play some nethack! |
| 10:32.24 | cjfp | guorker: actually, i'm still working on it |
| 10:32.37 | guorker | and me too |
| 10:32.38 | peterS | guorker: dpkg is a glorified key/value database with variable substitutions. it's nothing terribly novel. |
| 10:32.46 | cjfp | guorker: gdb won't debug my binaries |
| 10:32.52 | cjfp | guorker: do this: |
| 10:32.56 | guorker | oh |
| 10:33.02 | cjfp | telnet nethack.alt.org |
| 10:33.02 | guorker | why not attach |
| 10:33.12 | guorker | i try it |
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| 10:33.47 | guorker | you mean I play nethack? |
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| 10:34.27 | cjfp | yes! |
| 10:34.56 | cjfp | there's no reason to do anything else, once you start playing nethack! |
| 10:35.00 | guorker | it's old ,i know |
| 10:35.16 | bugged | hi ppl |
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| 10:35.33 | bugged | can u give me some wireless tools for centrinos? |
| 10:36.04 | kevix | bugged, is that like nuetrinos! |
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| 10:36.23 | cjfp | !u |
| 10:36.23 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:36.24 | valdyn_ | bugged: can you be more vague? |
| 10:36.40 | bugged | lol |
| 10:36.43 | bugged | i mean |
| 10:36.49 | bugged | kismet and airsnort |
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| 10:36.58 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 10:37.01 | carnage | why aren't there kernel headers is apt-cache to match my kernel name returned by uname? |
| 10:37.06 | bugged | doesn't work with centrino wireless ... yet |
| 10:37.08 | bugged | lol |
| 10:37.13 | kevix | bugged, you do know about 'apt-cache search kismet' ? |
| 10:37.20 | guorker | i konw sth gdb |
| 10:37.21 | bugged | i don't have any good apllication |
| 10:37.24 | valdyn_ | bugged: isnt centrino wireless = ipw2100 ? |
| 10:37.30 | guorker | you kan ask to me! |
| 10:37.33 | valdyn_ | bugged: thats what my centrino has |
| 10:37.35 | bugged | valdyn_: that one works |
| 10:37.40 | bugged | but i have ipw2200 :S |
| 10:37.45 | kevix | carnage, what is your uname? |
| 10:37.53 | carnage | 2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 10:37.56 | tarheelcoxn | guorker: yoda your cousin was? |
| 10:38.17 | guorker | don't know yoda |
| 10:38.17 | valdyn_ | bugged: i have no idea then, though it seems weird that ipw2200 doesnt work |
| 10:38.22 | fly_80 | I tried to install a driver for my wireless card and i get a couple of errors when doing MAKE. I also tried to recompile the kernel and i get a lot of errors when typing "make menuconfig" |
| 10:38.23 | carnage | theres a 2.6.8-2-k7 ... but no -1 |
| 10:38.29 | guorker | !yoda |
| 10:38.29 | dpkg | i guess yoda is my translation sounding like, yes? hmmm! |
| 10:38.40 | guorker | hmm! |
| 10:38.44 | fly_80 | is it a problem with Gcc or with make ? |
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| 10:39.07 | chealer | carnage: 2.6.8-1 is simply outdated |
| 10:39.10 | kevix | carnage, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7. |
| 10:39.18 | valdyn_ | !b-e fly_80 |
| 10:39.18 | dpkg | fly_80: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 10:39.27 | bugged | valdyn_: it doesn't work ::S |
| 10:39.29 | carnage | so i just have to upgrade my kernel? |
| 10:39.31 | valdyn_ | fly_80: and aswell libncurses5-dev |
| 10:39.35 | chealer | carnage: yes |
| 10:39.39 | carnage | k |
| 10:39.42 | carnage | thanks |
| 10:40.51 | Space_NL | hmm, where could i find a howto on trasfering my linux installation to a different HDD (but in the same pc) |
| 10:41.25 | jm_ | hard disk upgrade mini howto |
| 10:41.38 | kevix | Space_NL, I load up knoppix, then dd if=/dev/oldhd of=/dev/newhd |
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| 10:42.04 | fly_80 | dpkg, i don't know |
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| 10:42.24 | vinholi | hi everybody |
| 10:42.26 | fly_80 | the system starts normally |
| 10:42.41 | kevix | fly_80, you know dpkg is a bot, right! |
| 10:42.48 | Space_NL | kevix: and after that i can switch the 2 hdds and the new one will boot ? |
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| 10:43.10 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: you can cp -a almost everything |
| 10:43.14 | fly_80 | ah |
| 10:43.15 | fly_80 | :D |
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| 10:43.21 | fly_80 | ahahhaha, sorry |
| 10:43.23 | kevix | Space_NL, I think you need to redo lilo. |
| 10:43.38 | vinholi | when i run ymessenger it gives an error segmentation fault |
| 10:43.41 | kevix | Space_NL, but google to make sure. |
| 10:43.45 | vinholi | what does this mean |
| 10:43.45 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: simple do a cp -ax / /newhd |
| 10:43.53 | fly_80 | it's strange, i'm installing the build-essential now |
| 10:44.07 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: and repeat that for every other mountpoint |
| 10:44.24 | kevix | valdyn_, but make sure to partition and format first!! |
| 10:44.24 | guorker | bye all |
| 10:44.25 | vinholi | does any one know the sloution to my problem |
| 10:44.26 | guorker | cu |
| 10:44.46 | Space_NL | only got 1 mountpoint at this time .. but i think i indeed should get lilo to make a new new bootblock |
| 10:45.05 | dli | what's the easiest way to replace a string in several files, like, test*.txt ? |
| 10:45.26 | carnage | how do i get rid of my old kernels when after i upgrade so they don't show up in my boot menu and waste disk space? |
| 10:45.35 | kevix | dli, vi? |
| 10:45.40 | carnage | -when |
| 10:45.51 | chealer | carnage: you uninstall them |
| 10:45.52 | kevix | dli, awk 's/...' |
| 10:45.54 | dli | kevix: I'm using vi, but one file each time |
| 10:46.12 | carnage | you can just do that without creating dependancy issues? |
| 10:46.31 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: yes, you do, having a rescue disk made works for that, for a first time boot |
| 10:46.34 | dli | kevix: for example, s/aaa/bbb/ ? |
| 10:46.47 | dli | kevix: what's the command to replace all test*.txt |
| 10:46.58 | rikva | ehh, apt-get is downloading xfree86 now, why not xorg? |
| 10:46.59 | kevix | dli, are you looking for a way to do 100 files or just 2 or 3? |
| 10:47.09 | dli | kevix: say, 100 |
| 10:47.10 | Overand | rikva: xorg isn't merged into the main tree yet |
| 10:47.14 | vinholi | kevix: what is meant by segmentation fault |
| 10:47.16 | rikva | damn |
| 10:47.31 | chealer | carnage: unless apt-get tells you otherwise |
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| 10:48.41 | kevix | dli, do you mean 'test*.txt' or 'test(wildcard).txt' |
| 10:48.52 | rikva | Overand: why did they choose xfree86? I thought X.org was better? |
| 10:49.26 | Egrom | I have the problem that my system won't find more than 137GB of my 200GB harddrive. Is there any way in linux to tell the system that the hardrive is actially 200GB big? (in the bios-setup I can set the clenders and headers and so so the bios finds more space than 137GB) |
| 10:49.30 | dli | kevix: wildcard |
| 10:49.31 | Overand | rikva: they're two seperate projects now, x.org forked from xfree86 |
| 10:49.36 | vinholi | kevix: what is meant by segmentation fault |
| 10:49.38 | Overand | i think there's a dpkg msg about it |
| 10:49.40 | Rydekull | nyone know of any good Storage Resource Manager like IBM's Tivoli but well, free? :.P |
| 10:49.43 | kevix | rikva, xfree86 is the offical version in debian. x.org will be put in post-sarge. |
| 10:49.51 | rikva | aha |
| 10:50.02 | Overand | rikva: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 10:50.53 | kevix | dli, I'd probably use short perl script. |
| 10:51.20 | dli | kevix: I use c, sounds pretty stupid :( |
| 10:51.44 | spo0nman | i need to write a shell script to recursively find directories inside a directory and print the file names |
| 10:51.52 | kevix | dli, regular expression matching is perl is the only way to go. |
| 10:51.53 | spo0nman | any hints? |
| 10:51.56 | Space_NL | so i made partitions with cfdisk, how do i format an ext2 and a swap partition ? |
| 10:52.02 | TinoW | dli: find, xargs, sed |
| 10:52.19 | kevix | spo0nman, 'find -type d'? |
| 10:52.46 | TinoW | Space_NL: mkfs.ext3, mkswap |
| 10:52.56 | Space_NL | ext3, not 2 ? |
| 10:53.14 | TinoW | Space_NL: I would not recomment ext2 - unless you know exactly what you do |
| 10:53.19 | dli | TinoW: example? |
| 10:53.20 | Space_NL | okies, thnx |
| 10:54.09 | TinoW | dli: find to find all the files you want, xargs -n1 to start the command with exactly 1 argument (the filename) and sed to replace something in the file in place |
| 10:54.50 | TinoW | dli: sed -e "s/foo/bar" will replace all foo with bar. See manpage for options to modify files in place |
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| 10:57.01 | dli | TinoW, for one file, sed -e "s/kga 20000\./kga 100000\." ljbi55_1.c |
| 10:58.33 | TinoW | dli: yes, but this would output to stdout. There is an option for sed to change the file in place |
| 10:58.40 | TinoW | with backup if you want |
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| 10:58.51 | TinoW | (iirc) |
| 10:59.03 | Space_NL | how long does it take to copy like 3 gb ? |
| 10:59.17 | Overand | Space_NL: that varies widely depending on the drives, the interface, etc. |
| 10:59.32 | Overand | Space_NL: take a *wild* guess at 10-20 megs a second |
| 10:59.33 | kevix | TinoW, use the -i option with sed |
| 11:00.08 | Space_NL | Overand: a few minutes that would be .. okies .. |
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| 11:00.20 | Space_NL | (lest see it i can copy / to /temp . hmm |
| 11:00.26 | chealer | is it me that installed some non-free package and forgot, or you can really read WMV without non-free stuff using vlc? |
| 11:00.29 | kevix | Space_NL, copy a smaller file and extrapolate... |
| 11:00.43 | dli | TinoW, for $f1 in test*.txt;do sed -i -e "s/foo/bar/" $f1;done |
| 11:00.51 | TinoW | kevix: not me ;) |
| 11:00.57 | Space_NL | its more that if linux isnt done in say 15 minutes i might worry i made a mistake then :o) |
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| 11:01.47 | TinoW | dli: if you dont have many files, you could do so. Otherwise you use: find . -name "text*.txt" | xargs -n1 sed -i -e "s/foo/bar" |
| 11:02.33 | dli | TinoW: thanks :) |
| 11:02.55 | kevix | TinoW, IIRC he wanted to replace text*.txt INSIDE a file , not a file with that name. |
| 11:03.06 | dli | TinoW: I'm still learning for loop :) never tried xargs |
| 11:03.54 | dli | TinoW: it works for me :) but quite slow using sed |
| 11:03.55 | Space_NL | oke .. so say this copy actions turns out well .. how can i run lilo on hdb .. (since i guess i need to do that ?) |
| 11:04.02 | kevix | dli, this is my fav loop: ls|while read line; do echo $line; done |
| 11:04.06 | dli | TinoW: I remember that perl is usually faster |
| 11:04.06 | TinoW | kevix: ah, if so, its all about regex. But text*.txt rather looks like a filename pattern |
| 11:04.36 | TinoW | dli: if you need a day to write it in perl but 5 minutes in shell tools - which is faster? ;) |
| 11:05.03 | TinoW | dli: I somtimes use python as shell for the quick'n dirty manipulations because I'm lazy :) |
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| 11:05.06 | dli | TinoW: no, I remember somebody gives me one line script to do one file, just like sed |
| 11:05.26 | kevix | TinoW, shell is very slow to run as compared to perl. |
| 11:05.36 | TinoW | dli: ah. maybe. I'm more used to "find out on my own" :) |
| 11:06.18 | TinoW | kevix: you need a lot of files to work if you want to waste a day with shell tools ;) |
| 11:06.45 | dli | TinoW: I'm pretty dumb on both scripts and perl :) I did "man perl", and "man perlfoo", no luck |
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| 11:07.16 | TinoW | dli: important rule: use whatever does the job. Fast. :-) |
| 11:08.12 | dli | TinoW: hehe, I used c, popen("ls test*.txt","r"); and fscanf to read in filenames |
| 11:08.46 | TinoW | dli: if you are really fast in C, why not? I remember writing my first couple of CGI "scripts" in C too |
| 11:08.54 | TinoW | including a "fulltextsearch" ;) |
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| 11:10.15 | reNegad3 | any one have any luck transferring music across to the "shuffle" iPod, and be able to play it?? |
| 11:10.51 | dli | TinoW: sure, if lots of string operation concerned, c is better |
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| 11:11.39 | TinoW | dli: well, its harder to get it right. Especially if you have to deal with different potential large strings |
| 11:12.44 | dli | TinoW: but in c, you can always start from char :) |
| 11:13.01 | dli | TinoW: thanks a lot, bye |
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| 11:14.29 | reNegad3 | bah, when I mount a device; hard-drive or ipod, how do I make it accessible by the normal user, not just root?? |
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| 11:17.29 | valdyn_ | reNegad3: if the filesystem doesnt support unix file permissions, mount -o umask=000 |
| 11:17.55 | streuner | reNegad3: vfat? |
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| 11:18.34 | reNegad3 | ok thanks, I will try that |
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| 11:22.03 | kevix | reNegad3, isn't it a usb-storage device? |
| 11:22.38 | reNegad3 | yer, it is |
| 11:22.58 | reNegad3 | bugger, im trying to umount it, but it says its busy :( |
| 11:23.07 | streuner | !vfat+rw |
| 11:23.20 | streuner | !listkeys vfat |
| 11:23.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vfat' by key (6): says: methinks vfat ;; rw-vfat ;; mkfs.vfat ;; vfat ;; user accessible vfat ;; vfatrw. |
| 11:23.30 | streuner | !vfatrw |
| 11:23.31 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 11:23.57 | kevix | reNegad3, what does lsof say? |
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| 11:24.50 | reNegad3 | i did 'lsof | grep ipod' |
| 11:24.51 | reNegad3 | famd 2499 fcuk 179r DIR 8,17 4096 1 /media/ipod |
| 11:25.00 | fly_80 | i'm in trouble with the installing of the driver of ipw2200 |
| 11:25.30 | kevix | reNegad3, is it showing up on the gnome desktop? |
| 11:25.42 | reNegad3 | ohh sweet it umounted :) |
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| 11:25.52 | reNegad3 | no I have kde running |
| 11:25.53 | Gumby | can anyone lend a quick hand. I am trying to compile a driver module (ivtv) and I have matching kernel-headers as well as kernel-source but when I try to run the makefile for the driver module I get "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop.". Is there something I need to do with the kernel-source or headers to get this to work? |
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| 11:27.13 | valdyn_ | Gumby: you have the correct headers installed? iirc the kernel-headers package already do fix taht symlink you seem to be missing |
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| 11:28.12 | Gumby | valdyn_: gah, no... I dont. my bad |
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| 11:28.37 | valdyn_ | Gumby: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r), and that cant happen ) |
| 11:28.40 | kevix | reNegad3, what formats does it play? |
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| 11:29.24 | Gumby | valdyn_: hehe, yeah |
| 11:29.46 | reNegad3 | mp3, mpg4 and aac |
| 11:29.54 | reNegad3 | thats the ones off the top of my head |
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| 11:30.01 | Gumby | lol......well that got me far. |
| 11:30.04 | Gumby | make[1]: Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build' |
| 11:30.04 | Gumby | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `modules'. Stop. |
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| 11:30.23 | kevix | reNegad3, when will they get OGG! |
| 11:30.26 | reNegad3 | kevix, I was hoping it would support ogg, because |
| 11:30.27 | llama32 | hello |
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| 11:30.36 | reNegad3 | dont know :( |
| 11:30.51 | reNegad3 | kevix, im spewing because I would have to convert |
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| 11:30.54 | reNegad3 | damn it |
| 11:31.00 | valdyn_ | Gumby: is ivtv a debian package? |
| 11:31.17 | valdyn_ | Gumby: some modules stupidly require the full kernel source.. |
| 11:31.23 | llama32 | is there a tool to configure alsa, or is it all meant to done manually or autodetected... my sound card isnt working (only OS its ever worked in including XP is Xandros) |
| 11:31.56 | fly_80 | i downloaded the deb package for ipw2200 ( ipw2200-source ) and i unpacked it in /usr/src/ |
| 11:32.06 | valdyn_ | llama32: which kernel are you running? |
| 11:32.16 | kevix | llama32, alsaconf |
| 11:32.16 | Gumby | valdyn_: no, I am compiling from source. and I DO have the proper kernel-source |
| 11:32.22 | llama32 | im not completely sure |
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| 11:32.27 | fly_80 | then i cd into /usr/src/modules/ipw2200/driver |
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| 11:32.46 | fly_80 | there i should be able to do a "make" |
| 11:32.50 | valdyn_ | Gumby: if you use a kernel-source package, than you have to configure it first, only kernel-header packages are readily configured |
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| 11:33.20 | fly_80 | but when typing make i get an error like this : make -C /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/ipw2200/driver MODVERDIR=/usr/src/modules/ipw2200/driver modules |
| 11:33.20 | fly_80 | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 11:33.21 | mlambie | does anyone know where you can buy the posters visible in Tolimar's blog? -- http://blog.schmehl.info/ or on http://planet.debian.org about 4 articles down? |
| 11:33.27 | valdyn_ | Gumby: this would go like cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && make oldconfig |
| 11:33.28 | llama32 | grr still nothing |
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| 11:33.50 | valdyn_ | fly_80: no you arent supposed to type make there |
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| 11:34.13 | llama32 | apt-getting alsa modules... is it all just one package, or is it a seperate one for each driver? |
| 11:34.21 | valdyn_ | fly_80: apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -). Then use module-assistant |
| 11:34.34 | valdyn_ | fly_80: apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r).( ops ) Then use module-assistant |
| 11:34.47 | Gumby | valdyn_: wwhat you just typed does the same thing does it not? ie bother before and after the && |
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| 11:34.53 | fly_80 | what is this module-assistant ? |
| 11:35.17 | fly_80 | so i type : apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ? |
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| 11:35.26 | valdyn_ | fly_80: yea |
| 11:35.36 | valdyn_ | Gumby: you lost me |
| 11:36.03 | fly_80 | valdyn_, i got this : module-assistant is already the newest version. |
| 11:36.03 | fly_80 | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 11:36.04 | kevix | fly_80, module-assistant helps you with compiling kernel modules. |
| 11:36.11 | Gumby | cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && make oldconfig <--- make oldconfig coppies whats in the current running kernels config-XXX |
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| 11:36.34 | reNegad3 | ahh thats crazi :P |
| 11:36.45 | Gumby | valdyn_: anyhow, I did as you said and I still get the same error. anything else I need to do after running make oldconfig? |
| 11:36.53 | valdyn_ | fly_80: that kernel is no longer supported, use kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 11:37.05 | kevix | fly_80, type as root 'module-assistant help'. |
| 11:37.37 | fly_80 | valdyn_, but when I try to apt-cache search kernel-source i found only 2.6.8 |
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| 11:38.06 | valdyn_ | fly_80: why should you need kernel-source? |
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| 11:38.42 | valdyn_ | Gumby: no, nothing, did you exactly do what i said? |
| 11:38.46 | fly_80 | uhm, 'cause i have to modify some option for the driver ipw2200 |
| 11:39.05 | fly_80 | but maybe i can use the image and adding the modules to /etc/modules |
| 11:39.09 | Gumby | valdyn_: coppied and pasted it |
| 11:39.14 | Paikan | hi i have a problem with acpi on my debian with kernel 2.6.10 i use this command when my lid is close (acpid event) echo mem >/sys/power/state |
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| 11:39.24 | valdyn_ | Gumby: in your kernel directory? |
| 11:39.26 | Paikan | when i close the screen it goes to sleep mode |
| 11:39.27 | Gumby | yep |
| 11:39.33 | Paikan | but when i reopen it it reboots |
| 11:39.39 | fly_80 | i'm following these install instruction : http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/INSTALL |
| 11:39.41 | Paikan | what can i do? |
| 11:40.00 | valdyn_ | fly_80: you dont have to modify anything |
| 11:40.08 | valdyn_ | fly_80: not if you use a debian precompiled kernel |
| 11:40.11 | kevix | fly_80, did you try 'module-assistant help' ? |
| 11:40.34 | Paikan | how to properly recover from suspend to ram? |
| 11:40.35 | Gumby | valdyn_: fileserver:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8# cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config && make oldconfig |
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| 11:41.00 | fly_80 | yes, i tried |
| 11:41.19 | fly_80 | it says that there is no configured kernel |
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| 11:41.20 | Space_NL | oke .. i am trying to get my debian to a different harddisk .. i copied the files, switched the hdds .. but offcours,e linux doesnt boot, no boot device found .. (while i did make the partition bootable in cfdisk) .. how can i install lilo on the second harddisk so i can switch them around ? |
| 11:41.36 | t0ffel | I'm having trouble accessing my digicam (canon powershot a70) in debian. works fine in mdk. from var messages: "Mar 10 12:19:23 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 6" and "Mar 10 12:19:24 localhost usb.agent[3005]: libgphoto2: loaded successfully". udev is running. gphoto2 --auto-detect finds nothing. trying /dev/sda1 and 2 in gphoto didn't help. Any ideas? For all I know, I may have missed some vital ... |
| 11:41.42 | t0ffel | ... stuff during the installation, but I don't know what you need to be able to communicate with a camera or other usb device :/ |
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| 11:42.00 | valdyn_ | Gumby: i can only guess that you are trying to run make modules in a header directory and that doesnt work |
| 11:42.01 | fly_80 | ok, now i download the kernel-image 2.6.8.2 |
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| 11:42.46 | valdyn_ | fly_80: and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386, then run m-a, should be pretty self explanatory |
| 11:43.01 | fly_80 | ok, i 'm trying |
| 11:43.05 | kevix | Space_NL, boot into knoppix. mount the HD. chroot /mnt/HD. lilo -v . exit reboot. |
| 11:43.05 | Gumby | valdyn_: I am running make from the directory of the downloaded source. (which is /home/terry/dowloads/ivtv/driver/ |
| 11:43.07 | Gumby | ) |
| 11:43.25 | Space_NL | thnx kevix |
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| 11:43.58 | valdyn_ | Gumby: im lost what specifically that ivtv source is concerned, it seems to run make modules in your header directory. |
| 11:44.11 | fly_80 | but after that , how can i install the ipw2200 driver ? should i use m-a ? |
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| 11:44.31 | kevix | fly_80, modprobe ? |
| 11:44.35 | valdyn_ | Gumby: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build seems to link to your headers, feel free to adjust that.. |
| 11:44.53 | fly_80 | kevix, not so simply...there are a lot of thing to do |
| 11:45.06 | fly_80 | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/INSTALL |
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| 11:45.08 | TwentyCent | Hello all ! |
| 11:45.09 | valdyn_ | fly_80: that howto cant apply to debian |
| 11:45.24 | Paikan | is there something special to do to recover from a suspend to ram? |
| 11:45.45 | valdyn_ | fly_80: just use "m-i a-i ipw2200" |
| 11:46.01 | valdyn_ | fly_80: just use "m-a a-i ipw2200" ( fuck these typos ) |
| 11:46.12 | fly_80 | a-i is for ? |
| 11:46.16 | TwentyCent | I've a question about Debian and Vaio (Sony laptop)...Is somebody can help me ? |
| 11:46.29 | valdyn_ | fly_80: auto-install, will build and install the package |
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| 11:47.04 | fly_80 | but the package is only source, is it ok ? |
| 11:47.14 | kevix | TwentyCent, you dont ask to ask a question. you just ask it. |
| 11:47.18 | valdyn_ | fly_80: it will build the binary package from the source and install it |
| 11:47.30 | TwentyCent | okok |
| 11:47.36 | fly_80 | ok, now image and headers are installed |
| 11:48.00 | valdyn_ | fly_80: you *may* have to reboot now to use that kernel |
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| 11:48.28 | valdyn_ | fly_80: you *may* have to reboot now for m-a to use that kernel |
| 11:48.37 | kevix | valdyn_, I think he only made kernel modules. they just need to be inserted. |
| 11:48.59 | valdyn_ | kevix: no, hes running an unsupported kernel and just installed a supported one |
| 11:49.09 | fly_80 | ok, i reboot |
| 11:49.17 | kevix | valdyn_, I stand (or sit) corrected! |
| 11:49.19 | fly_80 | thx all |
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| 11:49.28 | Gumby | valdyn_: ok. FINALLY got the link right. I had to "ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2/ /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build" |
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| 11:51.33 | TwentyCent | Currently, I've Mandrake 10.1...but I want to install Debian distribution...on my VAIO (PCG-FR415B)...However, with Mandrake distribution, a lot of fonctionnalities don't ok...and I would like to know if Debian is agree with VAIO (sorry, I'm french and my english isn't very good) |
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| 11:51.55 | InitMass | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.55 | InitMass | but how do i check if the external uses alsa too? and what about that reply that alsamixer gave me? |
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| 11:52.59 | kevix | TwentyCent, the only thing I know is that you can use memory stick and sony wheel. |
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| 11:53.19 | TwentyCent | thank kevix...it's a good point... |
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| 11:55.08 | kevix | TwentyCent, have you tried Knoppix, mephis or ubuntu ? |
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| 11:57.12 | TwentyCent | kevix: no, I havn't tried it...it's a good idea, I will test with Knoppix... |
| 11:57.14 | TwentyCent | Is somebody studies in Oxford Brookes University ? (I ask this question because I want to go there next year with a university exchange) |
| 11:57.34 | llama32 | blehh... im gonna install redhat out of boredom |
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| 11:57.51 | fly_80 | hi again |
| 11:57.52 | doub | !win llama32 |
| 11:57.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, llama32! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 11:58.39 | bl4ckh4t | How i can make a divx video from a series of .xwd files? |
| 11:58.56 | fly_80 | i finally installed the ipw2200 driver and with lsmod i can view the module loaded....but now , how can i configure the wireless ? i thought about iwconfig , is it ? |
| 11:59.00 | Skaag | damnit, bn.com doesn't allow me to pay more for a faster shipping method |
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| 11:59.34 | xst | Does anyone know an equivalent to the "play" command that also works with alsa? (That is: A commandline play-command) |
| 11:59.44 | jm_ | alsaplayer? |
| 12:00.03 | xst | There is a qui in alsaplayer. It should be purely commandline |
| 12:00.25 | bl4ckh4t | the series of .xwd files was generated with xvidcap.... somebody have any idea? |
| 12:00.29 | jm_ | you can use it like that too, or try alsaplayer-text |
| 12:01.01 | Skaag | bl4ckh4t: well, you first need to find a software that joins them into a movie |
| 12:01.33 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: you an use transcode or mencoder |
| 12:01.37 | jm_ | can |
| 12:01.42 | xst | There must be no user interface at all. It should be purely (only) a commandline tool. Just like mpg123 and play |
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| 12:01.48 | Skaag | jm: do they accept images? |
| 12:01.54 | jm_ | Skaag: yup |
| 12:02.01 | Skaag | wow :) |
| 12:02.28 | perniila | Request for help: Gets error message "SIOCDELRT: No such device" when trying to do IP-aliasing on 2.4 and 2.6 kernel |
| 12:02.28 | bl4ckh4t | Skaag, yes man i know but i don't know which is this software |
| 12:02.38 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, thnxs bro ;) |
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| 12:02.44 | fly_80 | i tried to use iwconfig |
| 12:02.45 | fly_80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.46 | fly_80 | iwconfig: error while loading shared libraries: libiw.so.27: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 12:02.55 | Skaag | ok I must find a way to get the temperature of the cpu |
| 12:03.08 | Skaag | I have a motherboard which apparently is not yet supported |
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| 12:03.28 | petemc | perniila: ip aliasing just requires CONFIG_INET in the kernel |
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| 12:04.07 | perniila | petemc: i can do ip aliasing manually with ifconfig, but not from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:04.17 | petemc | perniila: works fine for me |
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| 12:06.00 | Gumby | if I have compiled my own kernel and I am trying to compile modules for that kernel, do I use the original kernel source? I have compiled modules like this and its telling me that the modules are an invalid format |
| 12:06.29 | petemc | Gumby: you use the orginal source, and make sure you use the same version of gcc |
| 12:06.39 | perniila | This commands do the job: ifconfig eth0:1 70.85.16.51 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 12:06.54 | sukria | does someone here use electricsheep package? |
| 12:06.58 | Gumby | petemc: I havnt changed my version of gcc. But I am still getting invalid module format |
| 12:06.58 | petemc | perniila: it works fine from the interfaces file |
| 12:07.20 | perniila | but the same configuration from the interfaces file doesn't work for me. i know it is supposed to work |
| 12:07.31 | perniila | now i am trying to figure out why it doesn't work for me |
| 12:07.42 | Skaag | anyone has a board that gives him this, from sensors-detect: Bus `SMBus I801 adapter at c400' (Algorithm unavailable) |
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| 12:08.42 | SkippedySkop | hey guys, how can i repartition something, i have /var which i have set too low and i want to repartition it to a higher size |
| 12:08.58 | Gumby | petemc: same gcc version as the kernel source or same version as the kernel that was just compiled? and how do I tell which version that is |
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| 12:09.58 | petemc | Gumby: cat /proc/version |
| 12:10.02 | bl4ckh4t | ok jm_ i get it (mencoder) and i have a directory with 1173 .xwd files named "capture"... Can you explain me how i make a video file from them? |
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| 12:10.15 | SkippedySkop | anyone? |
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| 12:11.00 | Gumby | petemc: ok, the versions match. and still the modules fail to load due to "Invalid Module Format" |
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| 12:12.15 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: man mencoder, there's a command that creates .avi from a set of .jpg files |
| 12:12.16 | Gumby | petemc: "make" shows the following output... |
| 12:12.18 | Gumby | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.9-ati/build SUBDIRS=/lib/modules/2.6.9-ati/kernel/drivers/media/video/ivtv/driver modules |
| 12:12.18 | Gumby | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.9-chw' |
| 12:12.18 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:12.30 | Gumby | my bad |
| 12:12.39 | Gumby | forgot to remove line returns |
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| 12:13.04 | Space_NL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:13.06 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, mmm ok ;) i'll try thnxs again |
| 12:13.16 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, where are you from? |
| 12:13.16 | Gumby | petemc: then I run make install. |
| 12:13.21 | Gumby | then depmod -a |
| 12:13.30 | Gumby | and still "Invalid module format" |
| 12:14.52 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: why does this matter? |
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| 12:17.01 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, it does'nt matter man :P i only try to make friends... I'm from Venezuela nice to meet you |
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| 12:17.43 | loadd77 | big problems with my keymap. When i do dpkg-reconfigure console-data it does not takeover the new settings. Also it does not read from the XF86Config-4 i have always the english keymap ! |
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| 12:18.05 | rikva | debian is a big difference if you always used gentoo, i'm gonna read the manual now :p |
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| 12:18.43 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: Slovenia |
| 12:18.53 | suifur | rikva: and a giant leap in the direction of stability ;) |
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| 12:19.16 | rikva | suifur: what's a leap? you mean debian is a lot more stable? |
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| 12:21.10 | suifur | rikva: i won't make it an 'absolute' but to put it plainly, stability is debian's arena when it comes to linux, gentoo is for users that want bleeding edge, debian is for users that want stable and reliable. Its not a rant or flame on gentoo that I'm saying, I've used it myself but, some, if not a majority of the gentoo userbase think that because they can install it and not even understand what they did makes them 'l33t'. |
| 12:21.10 | ricky_clarkson | Debian stable is fairly stable. It only changes once every 18 years. |
| 12:21.19 | suifur | ricky_clarkson: hooray! |
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| 12:21.38 | jordin | j #debian-es |
| 12:21.41 | jordin | juas |
| 12:21.43 | Skaag | so anyone here with a modern intel motherboard able to read cpu temperature with a 2.6.x kernel? |
| 12:21.52 | rikva | suifur: thanks |
| 12:21.54 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, ok ;) |
| 12:21.54 | suifur | ricky_clarkson: debian has only had one release in the last 5 years that I've used linux... that I can remember anyway |
| 12:21.56 | jordin | mmmmm |
| 12:22.02 | ricky_clarkson | /j #debian-es |
| 12:22.11 | jordin | nvidia + kernel-2.6.11.2 its possible? |
| 12:22.18 | suifur | rikva: now assuming you're not the typical 'gentoo ricer' then we'll both see eye to eye im sure :) |
| 12:22.51 | rikva | suifur: yep, i clearly understand :) |
| 12:22.52 | ricky_clarkson | suifur: I hosted a Gentoo meeting and didn't find that they were typically 'ricers'. |
| 12:22.56 | bl4ckh4t | jordin, yes |
| 12:22.57 | jelly | wtf ricer? |
| 12:23.28 | rikva | jelly: http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 12:24.02 | suifur | ricky_clarkson: mmmm well i think it varies from area to area, I've encountered more of the 'ricer' variant of gentoo user than the educated userbase |
| 12:24.12 | jordin | im patched the 6111 an 6629 nvidia driver may not work |
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| 12:24.38 | ricky_clarkson | suifur: In real life or online? |
| 12:24.41 | jm_ | I haven't tried 2.6.11 yet, sticking to .10 for now |
| 12:24.44 | suifur | ricky_clarkson: both |
| 12:24.48 | jelly | rikva: nice cars. ;-) |
| 12:25.00 | rikva | indeed |
| 12:25.12 | jordin | bl4ckh4t, you 2.6.11.2 + nvidia current working? |
| 12:25.35 | suifur | ricky_clarkson: but the people I'm talking about are the ones that use Fedora for 1 week, then nose dive into gentoo, once thye manage to mess everything up but get a running system with the gentoo disk and can get a working X they _tend_ to claim they're 'l33t'. Just my experience, not an absolute. |
| 12:26.10 | bl4ckh4t | jordin, no |
| 12:26.15 | bl4ckh4t | jordin, a friend |
| 12:26.16 | jordin | :) |
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| 12:27.16 | Space_NL | i copyd me harddisk, now i need to run lilo on the new disk for it to boot, how can i run lilo ? |
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| 12:28.01 | ricky_clarkson | Space_NL: By typing lilo in a command line. |
| 12:28.09 | scola | hello, noob question here. 2 days ago my adsl got dcd... now im back to windows.. it seems that my pc is requesting the provider for a 127.0.0.254 address. any hints on what config files i messed up? TIA. |
| 12:28.18 | ricky_clarkson | !run lilo |
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| 12:28.24 | joey_ | the way i do it: get a bootable linux CD, boot it, chroot to your new sys, mount -t proc /proc /proc, and run lilo |
| 12:28.33 | casterman | hello i am looking for help on basic admin task . i need to take out from File B all the lines in File A . ideas ? |
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| 12:29.19 | Space_NL | joey_: theres my missing link .. mounting the proc .. gonna try that now .. thnx! |
| 12:29.19 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: to run lilo for your new disk, iirc it _must_ be on the interface it will be in the future |
| 12:29.30 | ricky_clarkson | casterman: I expect there's some tiny Bash script you could do, but I'd probably use Perl to accomplish this. |
| 12:29.36 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: so if its hdb now and will later be hda, you may run into problems. |
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| 12:30.37 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: You could do linux root=/dev/hdb1 or whatever at the lilo prompt. |
| 12:30.37 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: i use grub, so i dont know how to deal with that in lilo |
| 12:30.37 | jelly | casterman: totally untested: cat FileA | (while read line; do grep "^$line$" FileB; done) |
| 12:30.37 | stew | casterman: write a perl script that reads all of file a into a hash, then while <fileb> { print unless %filea{$_} } |
| 12:30.45 | Space_NL | valdyn_: i did switch the disk already, so its hda now .. |
| 12:30.46 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: will it find the kernel offset on the disk though? |
| 12:31.01 | suifur | anyone else havin issues connecting to /. ? |
| 12:31.12 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: #debian-boot ;) |
| 12:31.24 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: beh |
| 12:31.24 | Space_NL | joey_: still gives me an error message on opening the "mapper" and opening "/mnt/hda" .. any suggestions ? |
| 12:31.25 | superSSS | Can I make-kpkg parisc kernel on a i386 box, if i got parisc-kernel source? It gives me /usr/bin/make ARCH=i386 distclean |
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| 12:31.54 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: try "lilo -v", i cant really help you with lilo specifics.. |
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| 12:32.08 | joey_ | casterman, jfcsh might help you: http://hwi.ath.cx/jsh/list-documented/fake/jfcsh.sh.html |
| 12:32.17 | joey_ | Space_NL, do you really mean /mnt/hda if you are chrooted in? |
| 12:33.04 | valdyn_ | !cross compile |
| 12:33.09 | valdyn_ | !cross-compile |
| 12:33.32 | joey_ | If you really want /mnt/hda but there's nothing there, mount --bind it from outside chroot. |
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| 12:34.48 | Space_NL | joey_: yep , i for sure chrooted into /mnt/hda1 |
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| 12:35.18 | jelly | casterman: I misread your question, my sh script won't work. |
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| 12:35.30 | Space_NL | valdyn_: lilo -v returns precise same error als lilo .. so i guess the error is permanent. thnx for helping though |
| 12:35.54 | hever | Hello how could I add a user to a group without using adduser is there a possibillity with useradd, when the user already exists ? |
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| 12:36.22 | jm_ | hever: usermod |
| 12:38.09 | DrPete | does exec basically run a command? like exec /etc/init.d/squid reload? |
| 12:38.33 | ricky_clarkson | hever: adduser is useradd. |
| 12:39.33 | ricky_clarkson | hever: useradd user group |
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| 12:40.03 | petemc | ricky_clarkson: that wont work |
| 12:40.14 | ricky_clarkson | petemc: how so? |
| 12:40.20 | petemc | adduser and useradd are different |
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| 12:40.43 | jm_ | DrPete: yes, but it also replaces current process with the new image |
| 12:40.52 | petemc | adduser username groupname will work, useradd is a little more anal |
| 12:41.08 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, can you show me how do it? the video... i can't make it. |
| 12:41.17 | ricky_clarkson | Hmm, on *another distro* adduser and useradd are the same (one is a symlink). |
| 12:41.18 | Gumby | I've just rebuild a module but when I load it it tells me "Invalid module format" I'm pretty sure I;ve done something slightly wrong. I build the module while in kernel-2.6.9-ati which I compile from my kernel-source-2.6.9-chw but the module gets put in /lib/modules/2.6.9-chw-4/extra/ when I need it to go in /lib/modules/2.6.9-ati/extra and to be compatible with that kernel. |
| 12:41.22 | Gumby | does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 12:41.28 | luulis | hello, anyone else had this kind of behaviour with X; suddenly all text inputting becomes _very_ slow for no apparent reason (have to hold a key down like 1 sec to input just 1 char)? it is very annoying when this happens, this is the second time it happened to me.. restarting X seems to fix this though.. /var/log/XFree86.0.log doesn't show any info about this. |
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| 12:42.17 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: read the man page and find the example in there |
| 12:42.17 | wishie | i have a problem with my soundcard in linux. it seems that the bass turns itself up/down at random intervals. i dont seem to have this problem when in windows though.. |
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| 12:42.30 | superSSS | !cross compile |
| 12:42.34 | superSSS | !cross-compile |
| 12:42.52 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: /msg dpkg /msg |
| 12:43.00 | superSSS | doesnt work |
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| 12:43.03 | DrPete | jm_: Hmm, basically, I want to get webmin to run the command /etc/init.d/squid reload but it does nothing, I wondered what I can do |
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| 12:43.09 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: It works for me. |
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| 12:43.20 | scola | REPOST :) hello, noob question here. 2 days ago my adsl got dcd... now im back to windows.. it seems that my pc is requesting the provider for a 127.0.0.254 address. any hints on what config files i messed up? TIA. |
| 12:43.22 | scola | anyone? |
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| 12:43.25 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: How doesn't it work? |
| 12:43.55 | superSSS | ricky_clarkson: no entry for cross compile |
| 12:44.18 | ricky_clarkson | superSSS: Then it's not going to work in #debian either. |
| 12:44.38 | jm_ | DrPete: why are you using webmin in first place? |
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| 12:45.08 | valdyn_ | scola: did you use pppoeconf? |
| 12:45.46 | scola | valdyn_: yup |
| 12:45.56 | scola | valdyn_: i just dunno what i messed up |
| 12:46.22 | tarzeau | do we want a PieSpy as in http://www.jibble.org/piespy/ ? |
| 12:46.25 | valdyn_ | scola: run it again |
| 12:46.28 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 12:46.29 | dpkg | debstats is, like, managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 12:46.42 | tarzeau | sussudio: you've got too much bandwith and cpu power, no? |
| 12:47.06 | scola | valdyn_: did that several times already... i was hoping that i get it fixed easily.. before doing a reinstall.. |
| 12:47.24 | superSSS | when I run make menuconfig on i386 , i get different options than menuconfig on parisc, with the same .config file? |
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| 12:47.27 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: Could piespy cope with #debian? ;) |
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| 12:47.35 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: it's not my cpu :) |
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| 12:47.36 | DrPete | jm_: its not my idea, its so a windows admin can logon and edit the squid blocked websites file. There a module that allows editing of files, then running a command after saving, I was hoping i could get it to restart squid |
| 12:47.46 | spike1 | hello there |
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| 12:48.06 | spike1 | wondered if anyone could help with a little problem |
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| 12:48.22 | Rydekull | never ran piespy on a channel with 700 users, but I did it on 200 users working all ok |
| 12:48.31 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: wait i have some spare scpu power. does debian have a package for it. let me check |
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| 12:48.42 | jm_ | DrPete: ahh I use privoxy for that, it doesn't need restarting |
| 12:48.51 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: piespy is probably easy to set up - Jibbler knows what he's doing. |
| 12:49.15 | spike1 | can someone tell me if debian sarge (latest from the torrents on debian.org last night) has the 3w_9xxx driver available at install |
| 12:49.18 | Rydekull | yes, piespy is easy to set up |
| 12:49.30 | tarzeau | Rydekull: can you test run it for #debian ? |
| 12:49.32 | DrPete | jm_: ahh, is that good then? I will have to look into that |
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| 12:49.53 | ricky_clarkson | Do we need to ask ops before running a bot on #debian? |
| 12:50.01 | ricky_clarkson | [even though it doesn't speak] |
| 12:50.05 | jm_ | DrPete: yeah, you can still use squid with it (I do use both, privoxy for blocking and squid for caching) |
| 12:50.06 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: i don't think so |
| 12:50.08 | ricky_clarkson | Hokay. |
| 12:50.16 | khanman | only if they find it :) |
| 12:50.22 | DrPete | jm_: I will have to check it out |
| 12:50.34 | ricky_clarkson | Might as well name it sensibly, e.g., debspy |
| 12:50.41 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: there's logging, answer, floodprot and stat bots ... wait is there any nonbots at all? |
| 12:51.00 | ricky_clarkson | Which is sussudio's bot? |
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| 12:51.23 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: probably his irc client? |
| 12:51.33 | ricky_clarkson | Is it Piggy? |
| 12:51.34 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: making logs of here and creating stats with pisg? |
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| 12:51.46 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, I see. |
| 12:52.05 | wishie | hmm, i cant install debian with my pc plugged into the TV.. |
| 12:52.14 | wishie | so i _need_ a monitor to install debian ? |
| 12:52.25 | tarzeau | wishie: i've installed debian without monitors |
| 12:52.31 | Space_NL | i booted into knoppix, mounted /dev/hda1, chrooted to it, then i try to run lilo, but it gives a fatal error on /mnt/hda1 aswell as /dev/hda1 .. what can be wrong ? |
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| 12:52.42 | Grant | Syntax error on line 400 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: |
| 12:52.42 | Grant | SSLCertificateFile takes one argument, SSL Server Certificate file (`/path/to/file' - PEM or DER encoded) |
| 12:52.43 | tarzeau | Space_NL: you're not using grub |
| 12:52.59 | wishie | well, plugged into my TV, i can see the bootloader, and the kernel start booting, then it switches modes to something my TV wont display |
| 12:53.02 | Grant | what the hell does PEM or DER encoded mean? |
| 12:53.03 | Grant | lol |
| 12:53.04 | tarzeau | Space_NL: maybe /etc is not on hda1 ? |
| 12:53.07 | ricky_clarkson | Grant: #apache? |
| 12:53.20 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak Grant maybe you should try #apache |
| 12:53.21 | dpkg | jejejeje Grant maybe you should try #apache jejejeje!!!111!!!!111oneone |
| 12:53.29 | hever | ricky_clarkson, but adduser wont work out of perl in case of some problems. And useradd works... |
| 12:53.49 | Space_NL | tarzeau: hda1 is an exact copy of my other hdd, which did boot .. and i have been told that after a full copy i only need to run lilo to get my new hdd to boot |
| 12:54.01 | tarzeau | Space_NL: that's true |
| 12:54.16 | tarzeau | Space_NL: full copy of what, the harddisk or the partition? |
| 12:54.25 | Space_NL | partition. |
| 12:54.26 | Grant | where is my good old buddy Guerin!!!! |
| 12:54.32 | Grant | !beer Guerin |
| 12:54.33 | tarzeau | Space_NL: well... |
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| 12:54.39 | tarzeau | Space_NL: any reason you don't want grub? |
| 12:54.40 | Grant | hehe :D |
| 12:54.40 | wishie | so, how can i install debian, without having to plug a monitor into my PC..isnt the TV enough ? |
| 12:54.47 | Space_NL | did a: cp -ax / /newfs (and /newfs is my new hdd in that case) |
| 12:54.49 | hever | ricky_clarkson, useradd user group doesn't work... |
| 12:54.55 | tarzeau | wishie: what computer is that? |
| 12:54.57 | ricky_clarkson | hever: adduser user group |
| 12:55.08 | wishie | tarzeau: its an EPIA-M |
| 12:55.14 | jm_ | wishie: so tell it to not switch the mode |
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| 12:55.23 | hever | ricky_clarkson, I told you adduser wont work correct for me... |
| 12:55.23 | Space_NL | tarzeau: always used lilo so far .. and i kinda dont think that is the problem, i think the problem is in the way either knoppix works, or how the chrooting is done orso |
| 12:55.24 | tarzeau | wishie: blame your bios vendor |
| 12:55.25 | wishie | jm_:how ? with vga= ? |
| 12:55.34 | tarzeau | wishie: their problem when they don't use the tv for output |
| 12:55.35 | ricky_clarkson | hever: I didn't understand the reason. |
| 12:55.52 | wishie | tarzeau: ive been using the tv out on this pc for AGES |
| 12:56.03 | tarzeau | Space_NL: i never have problems with grub |
| 12:56.03 | wishie | it was a 'set-top box' running freevo |
| 12:56.15 | tarzeau | Space_NL: and i've just yesterday cloned a few systems |
| 12:56.35 | tarzeau | Space_NL: of course you will want to edit lilo.conf and/or fstab |
| 12:56.36 | hever | jm_, ehm usermod -g group user. In this syntax? And the user will still be in the old group ? |
| 12:56.46 | jm_ | wishie: I would try with video=vga16:off |
| 12:56.50 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: did I miss you telling us what the error is? |
| 12:56.53 | tarzeau | Space_NL: and jumpers, depending on what you will do with the harddisk. but i really recommend gnu grub |
| 12:56.56 | wishie | jm_: i specified vga=normal, and it still gets all garbled when the installer loads.. |
| 12:56.57 | tarzeau | Space_NL: it's the default since sarge |
| 12:56.58 | jm_ | hever: no, you need to supply all groups IIRC |
| 12:57.17 | Space_NL | valdyn_: think so, i get a fatal error on opening /dev/hda when i try to run lilo (with or without -v) |
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| 12:57.38 | wishie | jm_: still does it |
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| 12:57.50 | sep | wishie: try with nofb ? |
| 12:57.50 | hever | ricky_clarkson, it wont work for me, because adduser causes "Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at /usr/sbin/addgroup line 892.". but useradd works fine. But I was not able to add a users to groups... |
| 12:57.59 | jm_ | wishie: is this Debian 3.0? |
| 12:57.59 | tarzeau | someone tried grub2 yet? |
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| 12:58.14 | Space_NL | tarzeau: jumpers and stuff are fine too .. nothing against grub, but i guess its since i know lilo and dont know grub it would be nice if lilo just workied .. |
| 12:58.14 | wishie | woody, and sarge net inst |
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| 12:58.26 | ricky_clarkson | hever: I don't understand that error. Are you root? |
| 12:58.37 | tarzeau | Space_NL: try run lilo with -v -v -v |
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| 12:58.52 | hever | ricky_clarkson, Yes its executed as root... I don't understand it too... |
| 12:58.53 | soccos | what would be responsible for automatically mounting/playing CDs/DVDs? |
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| 12:59.00 | ricky_clarkson | hever: You mean running adduser user group just fails, or that you are running it from Perl somehow? |
| 12:59.05 | wishie | neither sarge net inst, or woody can seem to be installed using a TV for the display |
| 12:59.17 | wishie | and i really cbf moving the box to plug a monitor in.. :( |
| 12:59.34 | hever | ricky_clarkson, I'm running it out of perl |
| 12:59.38 | ricky_clarkson | hever: Why? |
| 12:59.53 | hever | ricky_clarkson, lol, for automated user generation |
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| 13:00.08 | swatikiss | im trying to get my sound (alsa) working on my laptop ... i managed to get oss working but alsa wont work for whatever reason |
| 13:00.21 | ricky_clarkson | hever: Maybe you're calling it from Perl in a bad way. |
| 13:00.22 | valdyn_ | Space_NL: sounds to me like a permission problem |
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| 13:00.34 | wishie | swatikiss: you installed all the progs/libs ? have you unmuted the sound ? |
| 13:00.43 | sep | wishie: i installed sarge using a tv so it _is_ possible , you can also install with FAI or with a serial console, or with debbotstrap in another box, there are several way's, but i assume booting without framebuffer should give you picture if the gfx card display the bios boot |
| 13:00.45 | hever | ricky_clarkson, in a bad way ? |
| 13:00.57 | Space_NL | tarzeau: returns a number off failures, /proc/mapper/control cant be opened, device mapper cant be user, /dev/hda cant be opened |
| 13:01.06 | ricky_clarkson | hever: If it works from the command line, but not from Perl, perhaps you don't know how to use Perl. |
| 13:01.11 | Space_NL | valdyn_: could be very much indeed .. i am root in the xterm though |
| 13:01.16 | swatikiss | wishie, yes, i cannot even run alsamixer.. |
| 13:01.16 | wishie | sep: how do i specify not to use the fb ? |
| 13:01.30 | sep | wishie: did you look for a nofb ? |
| 13:01.36 | wishie | i tried that |
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| 13:01.43 | wishie | it actually gave me worse output |
| 13:01.44 | hever | ricky_clarkson, but all other commands like useradd works fine just adduser not... |
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| 13:01.51 | tarzeau | Space_NL: can you put the exact output online? |
| 13:01.57 | hever | ricky_clarkson, adduser and addgroup are not working |
| 13:02.07 | Space_NL | tarzeau: dont think so, i cant convince knoppix to copy the info :( |
| 13:02.07 | ricky_clarkson | hever: #perl |
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| 13:02.22 | wishie | nofb doesnt fix the problem |
| 13:02.34 | hever | ricky_clarkson, They couldn't help me therfore I gonna use useradd in case of adduser |
| 13:03.02 | Space_NL | tarzeau: if i know how to copy text in a knoppix xterm, ic could get the info online though |
| 13:03.03 | ricky_clarkson | hever: Hokay. |
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| 13:03.10 | OutCast3k | is anyone around he might know how to fix the megaraid/ megaraid2 module issue on the kernel 2.6.8 |
| 13:03.13 | ricky_clarkson | hever: btw, how did you invoke adduser? |
| 13:03.14 | tarzeau | Space_NL: did you look at the files i told you? fstab and lilo.conf ? |
| 13:03.18 | stew | hever: what about adduser doesn't work? |
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| 13:03.30 | hever | stew, out of perl... |
| 13:03.38 | tarzeau | Space_NL: do you know command > file.txt and scp file.txt user@host: ? |
| 13:03.38 | stew | hever: what does that mean? |
| 13:03.41 | hever | ricky_clarkson, invoke?! |
| 13:04.03 | Space_NL | tarzeau: strong point .. will try |
| 13:04.12 | hever | stew, I'm calling adduser out of perl with a system call and its not working. I got errors. Just useradd works. |
| 13:04.14 | Space_NL | tarzeau: i did yes, lilo.conf should be fine .. and fstab is fine i think .. not 100% sure on that one |
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| 13:04.21 | resiak | !not working |
| 13:04.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 13:04.24 | wishie | well, looks like ill have to dig up a monitor to install debian with..that sucks |
| 13:04.49 | stew | hever: you know, adduser itself is a perlscript |
| 13:05.05 | resiak | hever: How doesn't it work? |
| 13:05.25 | hever | stew, yes someone in #perl told me therfore its not working... |
| 13:05.49 | hever | adduser causes "Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setuid at /usr/sbin/addgroup line 892." |
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| 13:06.14 | resiak | hever: Are you trying to run it setid rather than as root? |
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| 13:06.28 | Ryann | hey google www.otomotivshow.com :) |
| 13:06.29 | *** part/#debian Ryann (zz@85.99.212.24) |
| 13:06.30 | Space_NL | http://www.pd2spc.nl/debian/lilo.txt |
| 13:07.04 | Space_NL | @ tarzeau |
| 13:07.05 | ravenbird | hmm... tarzeau is http://www.linuks.mine.nu |
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| 13:07.20 | hever | resiak, the script is owned by root. |
| 13:07.29 | resiak | hever: Yes, I know. |
| 13:07.30 | tarzeau | ravenbird: yes? |
| 13:07.31 | ravenbird | [yes] no, or the opposite of no |
| 13:07.37 | spike1 | sorry, got called away... |
| 13:07.39 | spike1 | can someone tell me if debian sarge (latest from the torrents on debian.org last night) has the 3w_9xxx driver available at install |
| 13:07.51 | tarzeau | a bot! |
| 13:07.57 | tarzeau | @ helix |
| 13:07.57 | ravenbird | helix is probably a Loony Weirdo. |
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| 13:08.17 | tarzeau | Space_NL: are you root? |
| 13:08.29 | tarzeau | Space_NL: you don't seem to have permission for /dev/hda |
| 13:08.33 | Space_NL | tarzeau: yep, typed su in knoppix and got a nice # |
| 13:08.37 | resiak | !knoppix |
| 13:08.39 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 13:09.03 | resiak | Sorry, that was an unnecessary reflex. |
| 13:09.05 | spike1 | anyone help? |
| 13:09.11 | hever | I added now a user with: "/usr/sbin/useradd -u 5013 -g c5013 -G testgroup -s /bin/false -c lj,klj -p q22Nf/dzPPnIA c5013". Now the user is in testgroup but c5013 looks like: "c5013:x:1011:" means there its not member.... or ?! |
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| 13:09.26 | Space_NL | tarzeau: not the full error msg though .. seems some text is still displayed on monitor but not put into the .txt |
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| 13:09.45 | tarzeau | Space_NL: try &> lilo.conf |
| 13:09.54 | naphex | On a compaq presario 2500 (Pentium 4), with a stock 2.6.8 kernel, modprobe speedstep_ich gives error "No such device" while this module should normally load and allow cpu frequency scaling. Any hint? |
| 13:10.10 | tarzeau | Space_NL: i wish knoppix had zsh... oh well, know what? there's a live cd with much better tools (like nethack) http://livecd.gnustep.org |
| 13:10.10 | Space_NL | tarzeau: euhm, what does that do to my lilo.conf ? |
| 13:10.13 | ricky_clarkson | hever: man groups; cat /etc/groups |
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| 13:10.25 | tarzeau | Space_NL: nothing it's a redirection of all output streams |
| 13:10.31 | ricky_clarkson | hever: man group; cat /etc/group |
| 13:10.34 | spike1 | damn, crowded irc's a pain |
| 13:10.36 | hever | ricky_clarkson, I posted /etc/groups |
| 13:10.51 | Space_NL | tarzeau: so lilo -v &> lilo.txt then ? |
| 13:10.56 | tarzeau | spike1: maybe your irc client is a pain? |
| 13:11.03 | tarzeau | spike1: yeah, add another -v |
| 13:11.04 | ricky_clarkson | hever: Oops ;) |
| 13:11.20 | spike1 | another -v ??? how does that help with my question? |
| 13:11.23 | smueller | I broke an existing instance of horde/imap probably by upgrading libc-client2002 from c to d. Now it's possible to authenticate (server log says "authdaemon: ACCEPT, username SMUELLER"), but the user is shown the horde login screen again after successful authentication. Any pointers? |
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| 13:11.50 | hever | ricky_clarkson, c5013:x:1011: means nobody is member of the group c5013 |
| 13:11.53 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: And where's the generated images? |
| 13:12.06 | Rydekull | (.:6245): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 13:12.07 | Rydekull | argh |
| 13:12.10 | tarzeau | Space_NL: i menat you with a 2nd -v |
| 13:12.13 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: nowhere |
| 13:12.15 | tarzeau | spike1: not you |
| 13:12.34 | tarzeau | smueller: what's the url to your horde login? |
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| 13:12.36 | spike1 | ahh |
| 13:12.40 | wishie | so anyway, the nofb option isnt helping with the garbled display on my TV when trying to install debian..anything else i can try ? |
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| 13:12.51 | Space_NL | tarzeau: http://www.pd2spc.nl/debian/lilo.txt |
| 13:13.33 | ea8946 | what do I have to do to include an extra non-main-tree module into a kernel-image package made with make-kpkg? |
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| 13:13.43 | tarzeau | Space_NL: looks to me like you are the problem |
| 13:13.59 | smueller | tarzeau: https://ma2geo.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de/horde2 |
| 13:13.59 | Space_NL | tarzeau: am, i know for sure i am the problem. |
| 13:14.00 | tarzeau | Space_NL: but then i don't like lilo |
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| 13:14.15 | Rydekull | lilo is the best :) |
| 13:14.23 | tarzeau | Rydekull: no he sucks |
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| 13:14.31 | Rydekull | :.P |
| 13:14.45 | Rydekull | :D |
| 13:14.54 | Space_NL | tarzeau: without me, this machine would not even know debian exist .. so i am for sure the problem .. but .. however .. i came here to solve me as the problem .. lol |
| 13:15.07 | Space_NL | tarzeau: but should i chmod /mnt/hda or ? |
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| 13:15.14 | tarzeau | Space_NL: nooo |
| 13:15.18 | tarzeau | Space_NL: are you root? |
| 13:15.22 | Space_NL | i am root, yes |
| 13:15.34 | tarzeau | Space_NL: ls -lad /dev/hda says what? in the chroot or outside? |
| 13:15.46 | spike1 | is there a debian testing dedicated channel? |
| 13:15.48 | tarzeau | Space_NL: with grub i do chroot /mnt and grub-install /dev/hda that's it |
| 13:15.57 | resiak | tarzeau: I highlight on "reziak" and "resaik". In fact, yes, I highlight on resiakk, since it contains resiak :) |
| 13:16.01 | tarzeau | Space_NL: grub is really so much nicer than lilo |
| 13:16.13 | ricky_clarkson | !say ricky_clarksonn |
| 13:16.15 | swatikiss | i cant get alsa working with my laptop .... alsaconf does not detect the card.... oss modules let me play sound but how can i get alsa to run? |
| 13:16.16 | dpkg | ricky_clarksonn |
| 13:16.17 | resiak | tarzeau: Sorry. |
| 13:16.20 | tarzeau | spike1: here |
| 13:16.22 | resiak | takatumi: I highlight on "reziak" and "resaik". In fact, yes, I highlight on resiakk, since it contains resiak :) |
| 13:16.34 | smueller | tarzeau: As I said, the authdaemon ACCEPTs my login. I set "$conf['auth']['params']['dsn'] = '{localhost:993/imap/ssl/novalidate-cert}INBOX';", but it used to be localhost:143/imap only. That now creates an error complaining about a certificate from the "Deutsches Forschungsnetz" which this university is part of. |
| 13:16.34 | tarzeau | spike1: and we are also dedicated at sid. all that is official debian afaik |
| 13:16.47 | takatumi | !smitesmite resiak |
| 13:16.54 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, ok i found it. |
| 13:16.57 | spike1 | aye, tarzeau, it's just asking a question here's like getting blood out of a stone |
| 13:17.06 | Space_NL | tarzeau: ls : no such file or directory |
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| 13:17.23 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, i make " mencoder *.xwd -mf fps=25 -o salida.avi" but at last it say.... |
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| 13:17.27 | resiak | takatumi: Glad to know that I've had an effect on you :) |
| 13:17.28 | tarzeau | spike1: sometimes it's just a matter of asking the right way (with enough information), or rewording the question |
| 13:17.35 | bl4ckh4t | ============ Sorry, this file format is not recognized/supported ============= |
| 13:17.35 | bl4ckh4t | === If this file is an AVI, ASF or MPEG stream, please contact the author! === |
| 13:17.35 | bl4ckh4t | Cannot open demuxer. |
| 13:17.36 | Rydekull | glargh |
| 13:17.42 | spike1 | all I need to know is a: does the 3w_9xxx kernel module load at install on the latest sarge, and if not, which CD is the sarge kernel source have? |
| 13:17.45 | tarzeau | Space_NL: how do you expect it to install if it's not there? |
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| 13:17.54 | tarzeau | bl4ckh4t: mplayer? |
| 13:17.58 | spike1 | s/have/on/ |
| 13:18.10 | resiak | !tell bl4ckh4t -about marillat |
| 13:18.14 | resiak | !tell bl4ckh4t -about paste |
| 13:18.18 | Space_NL | tarzeau: well, i FFS mounted it, then chrooted it . it must mean its there doesnt it ?? |
| 13:18.27 | tarzeau | Space_NL: FFS? |
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| 13:18.43 | tarzeau | Space_NL: what filesystem is whatever you mounted? |
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| 13:18.51 | Space_NL | ext3 |
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| 13:18.58 | Rydekull | stay |
| 13:19.01 | Rydekull | dont move |
| 13:19.02 | Space_NL | /dev/hda1 is ext3 |
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| 13:19.20 | tarzeau | Space_NL: would you like to try grub ? |
| 13:19.23 | Space_NL | and it contains the / from my old hdd .. |
| 13:19.28 | Rydekull | oh what the |
| 13:19.29 | tarzeau | Space_NL: i'm sorry, i don't know lilo enough to help you |
| 13:19.40 | Space_NL | tarzeau: if you think grub is gonna fix my problem .. YES i like grub ! |
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| 13:19.53 | tarzeau | Space_NL: ok, go out of the change root |
| 13:20.06 | Space_NL | okies |
| 13:20.11 | tarzeau | Space_NL: copy /boot/grub/* over into your mounted /boot/grub/* |
| 13:20.19 | smueller | I have been working google and the manuals all day, but I must have been looking for the wrong thing. Maybe this isn't an auth. problem after all. That's why I'd be very glad to get any pointers to any resource whatsoever. |
| 13:20.21 | tarzeau | Space_NL: and all files of dpkg -L grub |
| 13:20.39 | spike1 | I'll come back in |
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| 13:20.50 | tarzeau | Space_NL: then chroot /yourdest and run grub-install, go out, umount it, sync |
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| 13:20.57 | bl4ckh4t | resiak, but i already have the w32codecs :S ! |
| 13:21.14 | spo0nman | sourceforge is unreachable X( |
| 13:21.18 | spike1 | wondering if someone can tell me which CD the sarge install has the kernel sources on? |
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| 13:21.32 | tarzeau | Space_NL: how i cloned some systems: www.linuks.mine.nu/ssh/clone.txt |
| 13:21.49 | tarzeau | Space_NL: they don't officially exist |
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| 13:21.54 | tarzeau | Space_NL: binary install cd's don't have sources |
| 13:21.58 | tarzeau | spike1! |
| 13:22.09 | tarzeau | spike1: debian has the sources cd's separate |
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| 13:22.21 | tarzeau | spo0nman: so? what did you wanted to get from them? |
| 13:22.22 | spike1 | they always have had the basic kernel-source package before |
| 13:22.28 | sep | spike1: i have installed woody on a controller needing 3w_9xxx driver so i cant see why sarge woudnt have it... |
| 13:22.32 | spike1 | after all, without it, how can you install debian |
| 13:22.44 | jelly | tarzeau: umm... but it has kernel-source-x.y.zzy _binary_ packages, right? |
| 13:22.48 | spike1 | um... |
| 13:22.52 | spike1 | you installed WOODY? |
| 13:23.10 | spike1 | how? I couldn't even get the 3w_9xxx driver to compile on woody |
| 13:23.17 | Bu5H | audible gasp! |
| 13:23.18 | spike1 | kernel was too old, afaiks |
| 13:23.20 | bl4ckh4t | tarzeau, yes... |
| 13:23.26 | bl4ckh4t | tarzeau, can you help me? |
| 13:23.29 | sep | spike1: yes why? 3ware have been around since 2.2.x whatever. and have been in the kernel a long time |
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| 13:23.45 | spike1 | yeah, sep, but that was 3w_xxxx |
| 13:23.51 | bl4ckh4t | How i can make a divx video from a series of .xwd files? |
| 13:23.55 | spike1 | 9xxx is the new 9000 series controllers |
| 13:23.58 | bl4ckh4t | the series of .xwd files was generated with xvidcap.... somebody have any idea? |
| 13:24.06 | tarzeau | jelly: oh .. |
| 13:24.20 | tarzeau | jelly: true you get them using apt-get install and not using apt-get source |
| 13:24.27 | spike1 | and they only became part of the kernel around 2.6.8 |
| 13:24.32 | sep | spike1: your right, my mistake, been a while since |
| 13:24.50 | spike1 | therein lies my problem |
| 13:24.52 | tarzeau | bl4ckh4t: look at mencoder ? |
| 13:24.58 | spike1 | without the kernel source I can't compile the module |
| 13:25.05 | bl4ckh4t | tarzeau, yes man |
| 13:25.10 | spo0nman | tarzeau: figures i was doing something dumb myself. i did another regex in the if where i was printing them and $1 got overwrited. |
| 13:25.13 | spike1 | (if it's not been compiled by debian as a module in sarge) |
| 13:25.14 | tarzeau | bl4ckh4t: geeee xvidcap can make directly divx videos! (well mpeg2 at least) |
| 13:25.22 | leikh | strange behavior when downloading big files _from_ my server (doesn't matter whether it's http or ftp); when the download reaches approx 86MB, the connection is lost. This happens every time. any clues? |
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| 13:25.27 | bl4ckh4t | tarzeau, i make " mencoder *.xwd -mf fps=25 -o salida.avi" but at last it say.... |
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| 13:25.37 | bl4ckh4t | ============ Sorry, this file format is not recognized/supported ============= |
| 13:25.39 | tarzeau | bl4ckh4t: #mplayer |
| 13:25.39 | spike1 | the CD I burned today got scratched and it claimed it couldn't find any modules outside the ones on the initrd |
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| 13:25.47 | bl4ckh4t | === If this file is an AVI, ASF or MPEG stream, please contact the author! === |
| 13:25.55 | sep | spike1: if the kernel source have the module, then the installer should support it also. |
| 13:25.56 | Space_NL | why cant a user with knoppix as ident chat in here ? my backup cd now cant use xchat :( |
| 13:25.56 | spike1 | so I'm not sure if 9xxx is part of the install |
| 13:26.04 | spo0nman | tarzeau: oopsy daisys wrong person. |
| 13:26.23 | spike1 | indeed, sep |
| 13:26.29 | Space_NL | tarzeau: i cant chroot to /mnt ... sais there is no file .. while it is in ls and i can cd to it |
| 13:26.35 | spike1 | but sometimes, things get overlooked |
| 13:26.40 | tarzeau | Space_NL: did you mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt ? |
| 13:26.45 | bl4ckh4t | tarzeau, i read it... and view the video samples in the homepage of proyect but in my sarge into gnome the menu does'nt work |
| 13:26.52 | tarzeau | Space_NL: don't do double mounts! check with mount |
| 13:26.55 | Space_NL | tarzeau: not yet .. do that first ? |
| 13:27.07 | tarzeau | Space_NL: obviously . your question is hilarious |
| 13:27.14 | tarzeau | Space_NL: wait i thought you know what you are doing... |
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| 13:27.40 | spike1 | so, the kernel-source-2.6.8-whatever.deb isn't on any of the binary cds? |
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| 13:27.57 | spike1 | it was in the woody ones I had before |
| 13:28.08 | Space_NL | tarzeau: euhm, no .. sometimes i indeed loose track off what i am trying to do indeed. |
| 13:28.16 | spike1 | (only 2.4.18 of course) |
| 13:28.17 | leikh | join #apache |
| 13:28.19 | tarzeau | spike1: i doubt any 2.6 was on any woody cd |
| 13:28.23 | leikh | soory |
| 13:28.30 | spike1 | heheh, see the () |
| 13:28.44 | ea8946 | what do I have to do to include an extra non-main-tree module into a kernel-image package made with make-kpkg? |
| 13:29.03 | valdyn_ | spike1: binary cd is certainly the wrong term, since that package contains plenty source code |
| 13:29.20 | valdyn_ | spike1: binary cd is certainly the wrong term, since that CD contains plenty source code |
| 13:29.20 | spike1 | aye, but it's needed by a lot of things |
| 13:29.24 | patrakov | I want to know which of the packages wants to pull in caudium in today's attempted dist-upgrade. Just apt-get upgrade says that the following packages will be kept back:apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php4 php4-common php4-ldap php4-mcrypt php4-mhash |
| 13:29.32 | sep | spike1: install on a pata drive, then debootstrap onto your raid setup and add the kernel-image-2.6.whatever you need and mkinitrd making sure your 3w-9xxx is included |
| 13:29.43 | spike1 | the kernel sources themselves might not be binary but most of the other stuff onthe cd is |
| 13:29.43 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 13:29.43 | dpkg | <RQ> mwilson, i don't care what you think of me as long as you're helpful. |
| 13:29.45 | patrakov | I don't want caudium! |
| 13:30.03 | Space_NL | tarzeau: but euhm, as i sometimes dont know what i am doing this is not going to work .. or ? |
| 13:30.08 | tirkal | I'm trying to install the agent for our new UPS system. I got from the vendor a disc with something called "ClientMate". It seems to be coded for RH, and doesn't work well. What should I do? Should I try to apt-get something? |
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| 13:30.15 | ricky_clarkson | patrakov: apt-get dselect-upgrade perhaps |
| 13:30.25 | ricky_clarkson | patrakov: or aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 13:30.36 | tarzeau | Space_NL: with unix commands it's good when you do things only when you know what you are doing |
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| 13:30.50 | patrakov | ricky_clarkson: what is the expected result of that? |
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| 13:31.08 | ricky_clarkson | patrakov: Or apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade, copy the names of the packages and do apt-get install allpackages -caudium |
| 13:31.11 | smueller | tarzeau: You asked for the URL? |
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| 13:31.19 | tarzeau | smueller: yes |
| 13:31.31 | tarzeau | smueller: sorry i hate web mail |
| 13:31.32 | ricky_clarkson | patrakov: Or apt-get dist-upgrade then apt-get remove caudium |
| 13:31.33 | spike1 | sep, if the 3w_9xxx is included in the installer (something I'm not sure about,there's no problem) but if it isn't... then I need the kernel source to compile the thing against (and the .config file) so the module will work on the installer kernel |
| 13:31.43 | ricky_clarkson | patrakov: or apt-cache search caudium |
| 13:31.44 | tarzeau | smueller: we had imp (old here) and now got twig... nothing could make me use it |
| 13:31.52 | smueller | tarzeau: Me too, but I have no choice but to administrate it. |
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| 13:31.58 | Space_NL | tarzeau: i guess its nice to know what one is doing indeed .. but personaly i dont mind trying a little bit on things i dont (yet?) know .. if only i would get the hdd working .. |
| 13:32.02 | tarzeau | smueller: who are the users, and how many? |
| 13:32.15 | smueller | mathematicians and about 50 or 60. |
| 13:32.21 | tarzeau | Space_NL: you mount /dev//hdd1 to /mnt yet? |
| 13:32.24 | tirkal | I mean, is there a specific client for each UPS, or is there some general client for all UPSes? (what the client does is listen on SNMP to detect a particular signal which means the power went off, and when it gets that signal it shuts down) |
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| 13:32.29 | smueller | So yes, it *is* bad I broke the system. |
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| 13:32.37 | tarzeau | smueller: they use it from home? on the way? |
| 13:32.37 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: URL? |
| 13:32.38 | Rydekull | DebianPie: dont you dare to die |
| 13:32.41 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: none |
| 13:32.42 | spike1 | that's why I need to know which CDs I need to compile the kernel... including sources. cds 1 and 2 don't have kernel-source, is it 3? or 4? |
| 13:32.46 | sep | spike1: when you install on pata you dont care about the 3w-9xxx then you grab a kernel-image that have 3w-9xxx ( a newer kernel) then you partition format and debootstrap your raid chroot it, add a bootloader reboot and remove the pata drive |
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| 13:32.49 | Rydekull | oh come on |
| 13:32.49 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Why not? |
| 13:32.53 | smueller | From wherever. Germany, Japan, ... |
| 13:33.07 | tarzeau | spike1: you couldn't have downloaded it from the internet, by now? |
| 13:33.08 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: since it's refusing to remember the friggin display-variable |
| 13:33.12 | Space_NL | tarzeau: /dev/hda1 is now mounted to /mnt/hda1 .. but i should change that too just /mnt ? |
| 13:33.14 | smueller | Locally, they just use imap. |
| 13:33.22 | tarzeau | smueller: no way they can use a real mailer? |
| 13:33.24 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: hence it cannot generate pictures, hence there is no url yet to view them on |
| 13:33.41 | tarzeau | smueller: we have a similar environment (with a bit more users) but i can understand you |
| 13:33.47 | smueller | Most do, but those that don't won't. |
| 13:33.57 | tarzeau | smueller: no way they can be teached? |
| 13:34.09 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Can it not run headlessly? |
| 13:34.22 | smueller | No. I'm paid 7,53EUR per hour and have no way of teaching people ;) |
| 13:34.35 | ricky_clarkson | smueller: That's less than the minimum wage here. |
| 13:34.49 | casterman | how do i mail xx@zz.com the result of a job ? |
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| 13:34.52 | ricky_clarkson | [I think] |
| 13:35.02 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: where do you live? |
| 13:35.04 | ricky_clarkson | UK |
| 13:35.05 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: id doubt that |
| 13:35.10 | spike1 | tarzeau, downloaded what? I'm at work which only has a 56k modem. broadband at home but it's got a daily download cap so I don't wanna download too many disk images, I'll be tapped out for a day |
| 13:35.10 | tarzeau | smueller: actually that's not much here either |
| 13:35.12 | ricky_clarkson | casterman: job > mutt xx@zz.com |
| 13:35.19 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
| 13:35.22 | ricky_clarkson | casterman: job | mutt xx@zz.com |
| 13:35.32 | tarzeau | spike1: where do you live? |
| 13:35.37 | spike1 | UK |
| 13:35.40 | smueller | I'm a student. This is an internal job for the university and thus okay. It's usually pretty easy to keep the system running. Except for those one or two occasions per year that make you freak out. |
| 13:35.42 | smueller | Germany. |
| 13:35.54 | smueller | Anyhow. I have to continue trying now. |
| 13:36.37 | ricky_clarkson | Minimum wage for those over 21 is £5 per hour afaik (about $9) in the UK. |
| 13:36.43 | spike1 | when's sarge going to be stable enough to be stable anyway? |
| 13:36.56 | Bu5H | 2016 |
| 13:37.01 | spike1 | I mean, woody? it's useless on new hardware these days |
| 13:37.03 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: 1972 |
| 13:37.05 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: there's a different one for < 21? |
| 13:37.14 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: You can use sarge now. We recommend that you do. |
| 13:37.22 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: I think so. |
| 13:37.24 | RichiH | indeed |
| 13:37.27 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: And none for under 18. |
| 13:37.29 | simonrvn | heh |
| 13:37.35 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson wants you to use sarge for his personal pleasure |
| 13:37.45 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: child labour laws i assume? or.. ? |
| 13:37.50 | ricky_clarkson | simonrvn: Yes there are. |
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| 13:37.57 | spike1 | I know ricky, I was just wondering why the feet were being dragged in dumping woody into well deserved obsolesence |
| 13:37.57 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson did not like his woody |
| 13:38.05 | ricky_clarkson | I think a child can't work more than 4 hours per week, can't remember. |
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| 13:38.14 | Egrom | anyone have any idea why the kernel-parameters at the lilo-prompt have no effect on the system? (I have tried to add the cyl/head/sect-information for the disk using 'Linux disk=/dev/hda sectors=<num> heads=<num> cylinders=<num>) |
| 13:38.16 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: Release Critical bugs. |
| 13:38.31 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: i think it's 3 or so per day for europe, but ianal |
| 13:38.56 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I'm sure individual countries are free to have their own rules. |
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| 13:39.01 | ravenbird | ROOOOOT has landed! |
| 13:39.07 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: true |
| 13:39.08 | spike1 | must be, it'd be hell making a kids programme with children in it if they were limited to 4 hours work a week |
| 13:39.10 | ricky_clarkson | ravenbird: you are redundant |
| 13:39.11 | ravenbird | ricky_clarkson: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:39.14 | simonrvn | woops forgot to turn that off... |
| 13:39.17 | RichiH | anyway, i goota run |
| 13:39.19 | simonrvn | lemme fix that |
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| 13:41.35 | simonrvn | there, done |
| 13:41.57 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: /msg dpkg msg |
| 13:42.24 | spike1 | dpkg? whassat do? |
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| 13:42.36 | spike1 | obviously a bot... but |
| 13:42.38 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: It's a bot. Type that in your IRC client. |
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| 13:42.44 | ricky_clarkson | It will tell you something. |
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| 13:43.29 | smueller | tarzeau: Could you at least point me to some resource I might not have found? Any hints? |
| 13:44.08 | tarzeau | smueller: really not, we do it like this: in our environment if you want something YOU get it, and we have http://nic.phys.ethz.ch with all infos needed |
| 13:44.24 | ftroop | help ,i just cannot start the x server my card is a nvidia 4 4000 |
| 13:45.11 | smueller | tarzeau: Hey, I'm a physicist, too. |
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| 13:45.24 | tarzeau | smueller: cool!, know GNUstep? |
| 13:45.32 | tarzeau | smueller: or , knew NeXTSTEP? OPENSTEP? |
| 13:45.34 | parser | is there a problem with mailscanner package 4.38.10-1 ? |
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| 13:46.13 | smueller | I used nextstep a long while ago. Now using gnustep/windowmaker |
| 13:46.31 | spike1 | ricky_clarkson, keeps saying "that's too long" |
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| 13:46.51 | parser | apt stops trying to install it after "/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 22: db_get: command not found" |
| 13:47.08 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: But you can see the first part of the message, can't you? |
| 13:47.28 | ftroop | is there a generic setting i can use just to get an x session with kde |
| 13:48.03 | spike1 | eh? |
| 13:48.36 | spike1 | you told me to message the bot, presumably it doles out questions to other people, but it keeps saying my question's too long |
| 13:48.54 | spike1 | (I'm trying to ask a question without flooding the channel without repetition) |
| 13:49.02 | spike1 | oops. with |
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| 13:49.15 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: I told you to type /msg dpkg msg |
| 13:49.23 | ricky_clarkson | Literally. |
| 13:49.27 | spike1 | aye, I did |
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| 13:49.42 | ricky_clarkson | Right, so it said "don't message people without asking them". |
| 13:49.46 | ricky_clarkson | or similar. |
| 13:49.51 | fly_80 | hi again |
| 13:49.57 | ricky_clarkson | ciao |
| 13:50.04 | casterman | thanks all for your help bye |
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| 13:50.11 | spike1 | yeah, could've sworn there was something about the bot, obviously not though |
| 13:50.18 | takatumi | spike1: try listvals <keyword> |
| 13:50.19 | spike1 | anyway, can I msg you, ricky? |
| 13:50.21 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: so dont ask them without asking them? ;) |
| 13:50.41 | fly_80 | someone using gnome 2.8.1 ? |
| 13:50.43 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: if I may ask you that ;) |
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| 13:51.22 | Rydekull | heh, this might work |
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| 13:52.16 | ricky_clarkson | TinoW: Ask in the channel. "Can I pm you?" etc. |
| 13:52.27 | spike1 | I just did |
| 13:52.30 | TinoW | ricky_clarkson: can I am you? ;) |
| 13:52.41 | spike1 | no, cos it's after midday |
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| 13:52.44 | Rydekull | ... |
| 13:52.45 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: What about? |
| 13:53.12 | smueller | tarzeau: So I will try an apt-get remove horde --purge next. |
| 13:53.19 | spike1 | an install of sarge onto a 3ware 9000 series controller and which cd the kernel-source.deb's on |
| 13:53.26 | smacnay | Hi, I installed kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 and kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 and am trying to build some modules against the headers. Errors denoting the /usr/src/kenerl-headers-2.6.8-2-k7/Makefile did not exist. I looked and sure enough all the files under kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-k7 linked to a non-existent /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 dir. Is this a problem in this particular kernel-image/kernel-headers package? |
| 13:53.26 | fly_80 | someone using gnome 2.8.1 and using the left-handed mouse option ?????? |
| 13:53.28 | ricky_clarkson | spike1: Not really, because I've never done that. |
| 13:53.29 | spike1 | if the 3w driver isn't in the install |
| 13:53.41 | tarzeau | spike1: we've installed it manually |
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| 13:54.31 | spike1 | tarzeau, using sarge? |
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| 13:54.37 | spike1 | recent sarge? |
| 13:54.53 | ircdevil | i dont understand fonts. if i type some text in xfig and print the result is beautiful. if i export the picture as png the fonts are horrible? |
| 13:55.07 | TinoW | fly_80: your keyboard has a deffect |
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| 13:55.36 | nevyn | fonts are probably the most complicated piece of 2d geometry on a computer. |
| 13:55.40 | tarzeau | spike1: i got sid |
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| 13:55.42 | nevyn | outside cad. |
| 13:55.45 | ricky_clarkson | fly_80: Ssoo ddooeess yyoouurrss.. |
| 13:55.48 | fly_80 | TinoW, uh ?? |
| 13:55.50 | ricky_clarkson | TinoW: ^^ |
| 13:55.57 | spike1 | oh |
| 13:56.00 | ricky_clarkson | fly_80: TinoW refers to your "?????" |
| 13:56.15 | spike1 | well, the machine's gotta be installed with sarge |
| 13:56.15 | fly_80 | ahhh |
| 13:56.16 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak help me plz kthx |
| 13:56.17 | dpkg | mouarf help me plz kthx jaja |
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| 13:56.32 | sep | spike1: is there a spesific reason why you dont want to do a pata disk install + a debootstrap as i suggested? |
| 13:56.38 | CodeWarrior_ | hi friends ! |
| 13:56.52 | fly_80 | ok, sorry, but the bug is problematic , 'cause i can't use the left-handed mouse. |
| 13:57.24 | spike1 | sep:1 not sure if we have any pata disks available, 2: it'll be a pain with the 1u... |
| 13:57.29 | fly_80 | if you are using gnome .2.8.1 can you try this option ? |
| 13:57.38 | ricky_clarkson | #gnome ? |
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| 13:57.52 | spike1 | at best I was looking at switching one of the 3ware disks to onboard sata and installing normally onto that to get the module |
| 13:58.02 | fly_80 | uhm, i think it is a debian gnome package bug |
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| 13:58.14 | sep | spike1: well a livecd (knoppix/mepis) + debootstrap should do the same effect without having to use pata disk |
| 13:58.20 | spike1 | (If it was needed, which it shouldn't be unless the debian maintainer who compiled the sarge kernel was a complete twonk) |
| 13:58.26 | fly_80 | because i tried it on other distribution and never had this bug |
| 13:58.41 | wishie | i just got a modprobe error in my syslog, and i wasnt using modprobe..it is related to sound_slot_1 it says, which may be the reason my sound keeps changing volume/bass levels in linux.. |
| 13:58.52 | spike1 | so, how's this debootstrap thing work? |
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| 13:58.58 | wishie | i get the following message in syslog.. |
| 13:59.06 | sep | spike1: i guess the 3w-9xxx wasint in the kernel of the version used on the installer so you need a newer kernel basicaly. |
| 13:59.06 | wishie | Mar 10 23:52:20 fallen modprobe: FATAL: Error running install command for sound_slot_1 |
| 13:59.13 | spike1 | it is |
| 13:59.21 | spike1 | it was in 2.6.8 generic |
| 14:00.09 | wishie | also, how can i tell a packge to reinstall its default configuration file ? |
| 14:00.17 | spike1 | so either it wasn't compiled as a module, the module set was left out of the sarge I downloaded meaing only the initrd modules were available or the CD I have which is scratched rendered that file unavailable |
| 14:00.45 | ricky_clarkson | wishie: apt-get remove --purge package; apt-get install package |
| 14:01.02 | fly_80 | ricky_clarkson, hae you tried ? |
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| 14:01.19 | ricky_clarkson | fly_80: I'm not on Gnome 2.8.1 |
| 14:01.27 | ircdevil | what is the difference between encapsulated ps and ps ? |
| 14:01.34 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: there's a much smaller command that does the same thing, forgot. |
| 14:02.17 | spike1 | ps is a standard postscript file... eps is a "block" that can be used as an import into a postscript file? postscript vs encapsulated postscript? |
| 14:02.19 | ricky_clarkson | takatumi: wishie: apt-get --reinstall install package |
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| 14:02.25 | Plastic | how can I use aptitude to install packages from a CD? |
| 14:02.30 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: bingo! |
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| 14:02.43 | ricky_clarkson | takatumi: Wouldn't you need --purge too? ;) |
| 14:02.53 | ricky_clarkson | wishie: apt-get --reinstall --purge install package |
| 14:02.57 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: maybe add a --purge as well |
| 14:03.05 | ricky_clarkson | Good idea, I'll do that. |
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| 14:03.42 | spike1 | anyway, thanks for the help |
| 14:03.47 | spike1 | best be off |
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| 14:04.09 | green_earz | Plastic: add the cd saurce with apt-setup |
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| 14:07.27 | Rydekull | come on then, talk talk talk |
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| 14:07.43 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: wakey |
| 14:07.48 | seba | :) |
| 14:07.52 | Rydekull | seba: hello |
| 14:07.56 | ricky_clarkson | DebianPie: URL? |
| 14:08.01 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: URL? |
| 14:08.06 | Rydekull | bah |
| 14:08.16 | NuTTeR | anyone know the name of postgresql's process name? |
| 14:08.26 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: you dont know of impatience? |
| 14:08.34 | jm_ | NuTTeR: yes, someone knows it |
| 14:08.42 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ |
| 14:08.42 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: I can't concentrate long enough to learn about it. |
| 14:08.55 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: that was a nice answer :) |
| 14:09.05 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: How often does it update? |
| 14:09.31 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, continually. |
| 14:09.31 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: well, update and look :P |
| 14:09.33 | ricky_clarkson | Hokay. |
| 14:09.47 | NuTTeR | jm_: i was hoping that they could share the information with me |
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| 14:10.16 | helix | I wish my cat would stop stepping on my answering machine |
| 14:10.21 | ircdevil | wtf? galeon keeps segfaulting on me? |
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| 14:10.44 | gypsymauro | hello |
| 14:10.45 | helix | mmm, segfaults |
| 14:10.47 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: bugs.debian.org |
| 14:10.49 | helix | ircdevil: which version? |
| 14:10.56 | jm_ | NuTTeR: did you check its init script? |
| 14:11.22 | ircdevil | helix: woody -> galeon 1.2.9 |
| 14:11.30 | helix | oh |
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| 14:11.36 | helix | do we still support woody? :) |
| 14:11.37 | ircdevil | someone galeon http://www.cambridge-pubs.co.uk/ |
| 14:12.01 | Space_BB | where-how cna i see what program is linked to what port ? (proftpd claims port 21 is already in use) |
| 14:12.03 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: Works for me. |
| 14:12.04 | ircdevil | helix: the last couple of weeks i have considered upgrading to testing ... |
| 14:12.14 | ricky_clarkson | Gnome galeon 1.3.17 |
| 14:12.16 | helix | works for me too, but I don't use woody |
| 14:12.17 | ircdevil | ricky_clarkson: me needs to plan pub crawl |
| 14:12.36 | gypsymauro | sometimes ago it was possible to specify in mozilla/openoffice to use a specified printer command when need to print (for example kprinter o gtkpl) now this isn't possibile..there is a place where specify this? |
| 14:13.09 | ircdevil | excellent. mozilla segfaults as well (dillo works thou) |
| 14:13.09 | mwilson | gypsymauro: Really? When did you remove this feature from Mozilla? |
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| 14:13.34 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: It's got some strange HTML in there, not sure what it is. Think it's supposed to render as a map, but it doesn't here. |
| 14:14.10 | helix | yeah, some weird xml shit |
| 14:14.11 | gypsymauro | mwilson: well I didn't find it anymore, I can't specify a command somewhere in oo there is a /etc/openoffice/psprint.conf |
| 14:14.13 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: Try it in Internet Explorer, perhaps. |
| 14:14.16 | green_earz | Space_BB: netstat may be the one for the job ? |
| 14:14.17 | gypsymauro | i dunno in mozilla |
| 14:14.17 | helix | beer drinkers can't make websites |
| 14:14.23 | ricky_clarkson | helix: OI! |
| 14:14.35 | mwilson | gypsymauro: Gee, a moment ago you were sure about Mozilla. |
| 14:14.37 | ricky_clarkson | !piespy |
| 14:14.37 | dpkg | PieSpy is an IRC bot that monitors a set of IRC channels. It uses a simple set of heuristics to infer relationships between pairs of users. These inferrences allow PieSpy to build a mathematical model of a social network for any channel. These social networks can be drawn and used to create animations of evolving social networks. http://jibble.org/piespy/ |
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| 14:14.49 | ricky_clarkson | !piespy is also #debian's graph: http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ |
| 14:14.49 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
| 14:14.57 | valdyn_ | Space_BB: telnet <host> 21 might give you enough info |
| 14:14.59 | helix | we have a graph? |
| 14:15.12 | mwilson | #debian has everything. |
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| 14:15.31 | ircdevil | ricky_clarkson: IE for linux? |
| 14:15.36 | ricky_clarkson | ircdevil: No. |
| 14:15.37 | gypsymauro | mwilson: uh? |
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| 14:15.52 | hedonick | ircdevil: seems to load ok in opera |
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| 14:16.46 | Rydekull | there we go |
| 14:16.49 | helix | speaking of pie |
| 14:17.12 | helix | why do you keep touching me |
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| 14:17.20 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: happy now? |
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| 14:17.27 | parser | anyone that can help me with a mailscanner prob (described here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg00423.html) |
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| 14:17.43 | ircdevil | hedonick: there must be some feature on the webpage that causes the crash |
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| 14:17.52 | Space_BB | valdyn_, > thnx! |
| 14:17.54 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Ecstatic. |
| 14:18.16 | Rydekull | good |
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| 14:19.13 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Dumbldore, TearStar, Alexander and Raymond, huh. |
| 14:19.59 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: yup |
| 14:20.02 | ricky_clarkson | helix: I just went one directory up from the piespy output. |
| 14:20.25 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: Many years ago I started playing a mud with that name, still do |
| 14:20.54 | Space_BB | another question (i know . i ask to much ;( ) .. where can i find the X config files for keyboard (to get hotkeys working) and mouse (scroll thingie wont scroll atm) |
| 14:21.01 | dwango | does debian's g++-3.4 compiler not support -fvisibility=hidden? |
| 14:21.05 | ricky_clarkson | !drxx Space_BB |
| 14:21.05 | dpkg | Space_BB: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 14:22.13 | Space_BB | thnx ricky_clarkson |
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| 14:24.42 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: What options do you get when configuring piespy? |
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| 14:25.34 | takatumi | Rydekull: I heard piespy's a crapspy. |
| 14:26.10 | Space_BB | where could i find the keyset/XKB rule for a microsoft keyboard with 10 extra keys ? |
| 14:26.16 | takatumi | helix: just charting a line :P |
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| 14:26.25 | thomas_adam | Space_BB: apt-cache search multimedia |
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| 14:27.02 | helix | eh? |
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| 14:27.08 | takatumi | thomas_adam: howdy pardner? |
| 14:27.17 | thomas_adam | takatumi: Wotcher. How's things? |
| 14:27.21 | takatumi | helix: http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ |
| 14:27.24 | loadd77 | can someone of you guys tell me where i can download autoconf2.5? |
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| 14:27.30 | takatumi | thomas_adam: doing dood ;) |
| 14:27.40 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 14:27.40 | helix | takatumi: what about it? |
| 14:27.43 | joaquinz | hi |
| 14:27.44 | joaquinz | have anybody ever got to get work ivman in ubuntu? |
| 14:27.46 | joaquinz | in debian |
| 14:27.48 | joaquinz | i mean :P |
| 14:27.50 | thomas_adam | helix: :) |
| 14:27.55 | BadMan | hey all, where can I undo my screen "blanking" after screensaver starts, Im certain its an APM function or somehting but I can't find it |
| 14:28.04 | takatumi | helix: oh, nothing just wanted to get that chart to move. |
| 14:28.09 | TinoW | BadMan: man xset |
| 14:28.14 | BadMan | thanks |
| 14:28.18 | thomas_adam | BadMan: console: setterm -blank 0 -- x11: xset s noblank |
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| 14:28.33 | helix | takatumi: ah |
| 14:28.38 | helix | thomas_adam: xhelix! |
| 14:28.45 | thomas_adam | helix: :) |
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| 14:29.27 | takatumi | ooh, major criss cross in progress. |
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| 14:30.20 | takatumi | tarzeau: you need better documentation for pr0n-get :P |
| 14:30.51 | tarzeau | takatumi: i don't need it. it was just fun to write it once for to have the parody |
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| 14:31.16 | takatumi | tarzeau: good job :) |
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| 14:31.30 | ftroop | help!! i cant start kde or x i have a geforce 4 4000 is there a generic driver i can use just to get up and running |
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| 14:31.52 | rocky23 | hi all im an avid debian user, but i need to install and run redhat for one of our software packages, the fedora channel is a bit useless as they seem to struggle to understand what i am asking, i hope somone will see where i am coming from.. the problem is i want to install redhat with nothing but the essential libraries and operating system, i do not want stuff like cups,python,ssh, bluetooth stuff this is stuff i have found its installed after |
| 14:31.59 | takatumi | ftroop: vesa probably, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors. |
| 14:32.32 | takatumi | !fist rocky23 |
| 14:32.37 | rocky23 | :) |
| 14:32.53 | rocky23 | is that for using redhat or asking a lame question ? |
| 14:32.57 | jharrisonwk | im filing a bug dang it |
| 14:33.18 | ftroop | tried vesa but with the same problems no screens found |
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| 14:33.44 | streuner | rocky23: troll somewhere else :-) |
| 14:33.46 | takatumi | rocky23: for all of that and more. |
| 14:33.59 | BadMan | ftroop: what are you running woody sarge...? |
| 14:34.16 | rocky23 | ok fair enough guys, back to redshat channel then |
| 14:34.25 | FieldySnuts | @lart people who are nice but when you give them your email they keep forwarding you REALLY lame stuff |
| 14:34.40 | takatumi | rocky23: if that wasn't a typo, you're right. |
| 14:34.50 | rocky23 | it wasnt a typo, believe me |
| 14:34.53 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: oh like stupid "internet" jokes or chain letters? |
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| 14:35.03 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: yep. thank god for filtering and imap folders. |
| 14:35.10 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 14:35.15 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: ok, I'll stop. |
| 14:35.20 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 14:35.21 | rocky23 | taka: does redhat install this crap by default? and i have to manually remove its mess ? |
| 14:35.22 | FieldySnuts | not you |
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| 14:35.26 | ftroop | erm woody 3 with bf2 kernel |
| 14:35.31 | simonrvn | sieve even |
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| 14:35.50 | streuner | rocky23: install debian! |
| 14:36.01 | takatumi | simonrvn: for a moment thought iseve was some apple gadget. |
| 14:36.15 | rocky23 | streuner: ive been running debian for 3 years. i love debian, but i have to install redhat for an application is only supported on suse or redshat |
| 14:36.30 | simonrvn | rocky23: once i installed (for all of 30 minutes the installer kept puking...) an *old* copy of mandrake. the "base" install wanted 1 GB (!) |
| 14:36.30 | BadMan | ok well that leads to some other stuff got broad band and capability to dl burn isos? |
| 14:36.39 | TinoW | rocky23: and if you call said support for help? |
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| 14:37.28 | takatumi | BadMan: why? |
| 14:37.45 | BadMan | ftroop: I fought that card on woody with the bf2 kernel for 2 days and finally got it with a weblink some ehre gave me ( I have lost it) but got the sarge net install iso and selected the nv driver and all was well |
| 14:37.47 | rocky23 | tinow: sorry what do you mean? |
| 14:38.02 | BadMan | let me see if it is in my history someplace.... |
| 14:38.03 | ricky_clarkson | rocky23: Can't you install the package manually or to a chrooted redhat? |
| 14:38.10 | Delph | rocky23: well, "is only supported" -> "someone is giving support" |
| 14:38.25 | TinoW | rocky23: you said, you have that application which is only supported for redhat or suxe. So what if you call the support then? |
| 14:38.32 | rocky23 | simonvrun: i too did the same as you a few years ago, i thought what the hell is this crap (the same as i did now) and what you have to PAY for upgrades? im trying debian next and then never looked back |
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| 14:39.15 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: You've got some nice bandwidth ;) |
| 14:39.16 | rocky23 | tinow: sorry yer the application domino works on linux but it only has 2 supported platforms, as in you cant use there online/tel support for unsupported systems (which i dont care about) but my boss does so thats that really |
| 14:39.34 | ftroop | Badman sorry what is the sarge net install i am new to debian :( |
| 14:39.45 | streuner | !d-i |
| 14:39.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 14:40.07 | jharrisonwk | can you download the source code of a package from another distrobution with aptitude? |
| 14:40.15 | BadMan | if you can downlaod and burn an ISO and boot from it you wil be better off |
| 14:40.25 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: If it has apt repositories, I expect so. |
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| 14:40.43 | jharrisonwk | like if you run sarge can you download a source package from a package from sid without actually having sid sources in sources.list? |
| 14:41.04 | rocky23 | ricky: i can get it to work in debian, by just using some old library files and changing the java its using to 1.3.1, it installs/runs and works perfect, the problem is im not allowed to run it on debian and thats that |
| 14:41.10 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: You put sid source entries into sources.list, not sid binary entries. |
| 14:41.21 | jharrisonwk | ricky_clarkson: ah yes sounds good |
| 14:41.22 | jharrisonwk | thanks |
| 14:41.30 | ricky_clarkson | jharrisonwk: Or just take your browser along to packages.debian.org and do it yourself. |
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| 14:41.48 | BadMan | ftroop: the jist of it was I had to download nvidias 6629 driver from their site and build it on the box in console... just cant find the article/how-to |
| 14:41.57 | ricky_clarkson | rocky23: You mean the program's licence says not to run it on Debian? |
| 14:41.57 | TinoW | rocky23: so just call the support and let them guide you thru the installation of redhat |
| 14:42.07 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: yes i do |
| 14:42.08 | TinoW | rocky23: for whatever this costs blame your boss |
| 14:42.17 | rocky23 | ricky: right |
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| 14:42.41 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: that server doesnt really do anything though, it's a old P200 MMX :P |
| 14:42.45 | rocky23 | ricky: actually no, you can legally run it on an unsupported os, but on your head be it :) |
| 14:43.02 | ricky_clarkson | rocky23: rick<tab> |
| 14:43.10 | ftroop | so it worked fine with 3.1 sarge was that with the nvidia kernel or on the iso? |
| 14:43.35 | BadMan | on the iso |
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| 14:43.51 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: actually, it's even placed home at my moms house :.P |
| 14:44.10 | rocky23 | ricky_clarkson: sorry :) its habbit |
| 14:44.18 | ftroop | nice one mate i will give that a go and let you know thanks alot :) |
| 14:44.23 | rocky23 | so has anyone done and installs of redhat minimal install recently ? |
| 14:44.27 | BadMan | yw |
| 14:44.31 | ricky_clarkson | rocky23: #redhat might have. |
| 14:44.41 | Delph | rocky23: redhat's telelphone support will help you. |
| 14:44.58 | rocky23 | thanks guys :-/ |
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| 14:45.07 | tarz | hi |
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| 14:46.01 | tarz | after apt-get upgrade, i get "PRNG is not seeded" in .xsession-errors... google brought up the idea that it has something to do with openssl... any help pls ? |
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| 14:49.47 | membrive | hi all |
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| 14:50.07 | william_wallace1 | bj |
| 14:50.13 | william_wallace1 | 'k |
| 14:50.16 | william_wallace1 | hello |
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| 14:51.07 | Taraxacum | do ya support the sarge net installation? |
| 14:51.22 | ricky_clarkson | We try. |
| 14:51.30 | ricky_clarkson | But #debian-boot might be better. |
| 14:51.51 | Taraxacum | should i be able to boot with the sarge net install iso? |
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| 14:52.12 | BadMan | if it was burned properly and you set your bios to boot from the cdrom |
| 14:52.19 | jbAU | anyone know much about bash? i just want to run a lot of commands with consecutive numbers, like 000 to 400... |
| 14:52.24 | Taraxacum | odd cause it doesn't :( |
| 14:52.25 | william_wallace1 | i had installed debian as a dual boot with windows xp when i try to run x i can see the windows xp shutting down and then i get an error saying the x can not be started |
| 14:52.36 | Taraxacum | my woddy cd does so i know it's correct |
| 14:52.39 | Taraxacum | woody |
| 14:53.00 | william_wallace1 | y my name is grayed out? |
| 14:53.01 | ricky_clarkson | jbAU: #bash but: for a in `seq 0 400`; do somecommand $a; done |
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| 14:53.05 | BadMan | then it sound slike you may have a corrupted disc or corrupted iso |
| 14:53.07 | ricky_clarkson | william_wallace1: It's not. |
| 14:53.19 | william_wallace1 | thanks |
| 14:53.34 | jbAU | ricky_clarkson, awesome thanks |
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| 14:53.35 | Taraxacum | i can read the cd in windows thou |
| 14:53.35 | BadMan | first try reburning it slower, if stillf ails try redling it and reburn it |
| 14:53.45 | ricky_clarkson | jbAU: That will start at 0, not 000. |
| 14:53.46 | Taraxacum | i burned it in 4x |
| 14:53.51 | Taraxacum | can't be any slower ;) |
| 14:54.01 | BadMan | lol, then try and redl it |
| 14:54.08 | Taraxacum | i will :) |
| 14:54.16 | jbAU | ricky_clarkson, hmm, not quick what i wanted but i'll see if i can make it fit |
| 14:54.19 | william_wallace1 | its this the official chat for debian? |
| 14:54.31 | BadMan | I burned mine at16x in console froma buggard woody install |
| 14:56.15 | streuner | william_wallace1: if you have a debian question - just ask. |
| 14:56.25 | william_wallace1 | i just did |
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| 14:56.29 | william_wallace1 | i had installed debian as a dual boot with windows xp when i try to run x i can see the windows xp shutting down and then i get an error saying the x can not be started |
| 14:56.51 | streuner | william_wallace1: what videocard do you have? |
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| 14:57.04 | william_wallace1 | strage 128 pro |
| 14:57.08 | william_wallace1 | sorry |
| 14:57.09 | william_wallace1 | rage |
| 14:57.27 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: out of curiousity, why was this wanted? and by who? <g> |
| 14:57.52 | dippo | can anyone think of a reason why iwconfig commands issued from a script (via waproamd) would work but I couldn't ping out |
| 14:57.55 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: piespy? |
| 14:57.57 | streuner | william_wallace1: RAGE 128 is very well supported, just run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and choose ATI |
| 14:58.05 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: yeah? |
| 14:58.05 | dippo | while the exact same iwconfig commands issued from the shell work fine, and I *can* ping out? |
| 14:58.09 | william_wallace1 | ok thanks |
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| 14:58.12 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Dunno. |
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| 14:58.39 | william_wallace1 | streuner, thanks |
| 14:58.58 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: err, ok |
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| 15:01.48 | LeVaK | any1 here using php5? |
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| 15:02.39 | ledet | --- any1 :No such nick/channel |
| 15:03.21 | LeVaK | anyone here using php5? |
| 15:03.24 | LeVaK | better?:) |
| 15:03.34 | meds | i'm trying to build 2.6.11.2 following a howto and make-kpkg doesn't exist |
| 15:03.34 | asg | !anyone |
| 15:03.34 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 15:04.00 | ricky_clarkson | LeVaK: What we mean is "ask a question". Or join #php and ask there. |
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| 15:04.10 | valdyn_ | !tell meds about kp |
| 15:04.17 | LeVaK | ammmm |
| 15:04.24 | LeVaK | ricky_clarksonlk thanks.... |
| 15:04.25 | valdyn_ | !tell meds about search |
| 15:04.55 | LeVaK | welll... i tried running apache and php5 today and apache seg. faults.... |
| 15:04.57 | gilles_ | Is it possible to have the grub menu, with the OS selection, in 1280x800 ? |
| 15:05.14 | LeVaK | anyone with the same problem and solution? |
| 15:05.27 | stew | meds: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:05.34 | Delph | there was someone in yesterday with something about PHP5 crashing. |
| 15:05.36 | ledet | LeVaK: and it doesnt segfault with php5 disabled? |
| 15:05.40 | LeVaK | nop |
| 15:05.47 | LeVaK | and it works if i have php4 and php5 enables |
| 15:05.49 | LeVaK | enabled ivn |
| 15:05.53 | ledet | LeVaK: how did you build php5? |
| 15:05.59 | LeVaK | am.. i downloada it from... |
| 15:06.01 | LeVaK | just a sec |
| 15:06.19 | ledet | oh, so it's an unofficial debian package? |
| 15:06.22 | LeVaK | http://packages.dotdeb.org |
| 15:06.26 | LeVaK | ammmm yep:) |
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| 15:06.31 | stew | LeVaK: there is no php5 in debian yet |
| 15:06.36 | LeVaK | stew true |
| 15:06.55 | ledet | LeVaK: well, did you read the documentation for that package? |
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| 15:07.17 | Delph | !+php5 |
| 15:07.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/12/msg01992.html (for sid), but don't yell at us when they break your system, or see http://bugs.debian.org/262977 |
| 15:07.31 | stew | LeVaK: do you really need php5? |
| 15:07.42 | bob2 | php5 makes apache segfault? |
| 15:07.44 | bob2 | OMFG. |
| 15:07.48 | LeVaK | ledet ammm.... riiight:) I should probaby do that.... |
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| 15:07.54 | bob2 | PHP IN SHITTY BROKEN CODING SHOCKER |
| 15:07.55 | Fuzzles | huhu |
| 15:08.07 | LeVaK | stew i dont know.. I only do what i am told:) |
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| 15:09.10 | stew | LeVaK: bugs.php.net |
| 15:09.29 | LeVaK | stew than you... I think I got a tip from dpkg.... |
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| 15:11.55 | ftroop | one more question please is sarge the debian installer or is it a new version of debian :s |
| 15:12.04 | asg | !sarge |
| 15:12.04 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 15:12.37 | ftroop | cheers:) |
| 15:12.44 | sdogi | hi debian folks |
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| 15:13.26 | ixi | hi |
| 15:13.53 | ixi | I don't know what the hell is going on but I can't shutdown system. Shutdown process just hanged |
| 15:13.55 | LeVaK | damn! |
| 15:14.07 | LeVaK | devel.dotdeb.org has crashed:(:( |
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| 15:14.11 | LeVaK | now i`m stucked |
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| 15:15.08 | ricky_clarkson | ixi: Did it unmount filesystems first? |
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| 15:15.29 | ixi | ricky_clarkson: no! Is there a way to properly unmount all filesystem if shutdown process hanged? I don't want to hardware restart |
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| 15:16.04 | ricky_clarkson | ixi: Can you interact with the computer at all (from keyboard or network)? |
| 15:16.10 | ixi | ricky_clarkson: sure |
| 15:16.18 | gdb | ixi: Then you're best advised to build a new machine. If the shutdown is hung, it's hung, period. If you don't want to reset it, then start over with a new box. ;-) |
| 15:16.24 | ixi | ricky_clarkson: i'm chatting from it :) |
| 15:16.42 | ixi | gdb: you joking? |
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| 15:17.09 | ricky_clarkson | ixi: init 0 |
| 15:17.10 | gdb | You're asking about how to cleanly shut down a machine that won't shut down so.. no. |
| 15:17.39 | Hybridized_ | can someone help me setup bind? |
| 15:17.45 | Hybridized_ | I apt-get installed bind |
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| 15:17.46 | Hybridized_ | what now |
| 15:18.27 | ricky_clarkson | Hybridized_: man bind; info bind; examine /usr/share/doc/bind/*; dpkg-reconfigure -plow bind |
| 15:18.27 | Hybridized_ | wheres the hosts file or what |
| 15:19.00 | petemc | ricky_clarkson: the bind manpage wont be much good :) |
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| 15:19.07 | Hybridized_ | yeah.. |
| 15:19.10 | Hybridized_ | i looked |
| 15:19.16 | gdb | Hybridized_: Pretty good documentation here -> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 15:19.19 | petemc | Hybridized_: you need to do a lot of reading |
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| 15:19.21 | Hybridized_ | so where is the host's file etc. |
| 15:19.33 | Hybridized_ | gahh :( |
| 15:19.33 | gdb | It's pretty step-by-step and hand-holdy. |
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| 15:20.01 | nevyn | helix: what's to hate? |
| 15:20.21 | helix | dunno, I just hate how the site is setup |
| 15:20.24 | gdb | helix: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/DNS-HOWTO.html -- here's a pretty-printed version for you, then. |
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| 15:20.33 | helix | haha |
| 15:20.36 | gdb | ;-) |
| 15:20.38 | helix | my printer is broken! |
| 15:20.42 | gdb | doh! |
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| 15:20.58 | Ryannn | www.otomotivshow.com |
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| 15:21.04 | petemc | at its simplest, you install bind9, edit /etc/bind/named.conf.local to tell it where your zone file is, make the zone file, restart bind |
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| 15:21.19 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: k-lined |
| 15:21.26 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: belt and suspenders. |
| 15:21.43 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Whatever floats your boat, dear, but it's my turn to wear the strapon. |
| 15:21.55 | Rhinoz | question about ssh I am on a windows box and no longer able to connect to my server while I can connect to other servers through ssh and others can connect to my server through ssh is there anything in debian which would block my IP |
| 15:22.28 | asg | greycat: double the pleasure, double the fun? |
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| 15:22.38 | greycat | asg: maybe for someone with double entry points |
| 15:22.43 | gdb | Rhinoz: Could be protocol version mismatch. |
| 15:22.48 | Hybridized_ | gahh this seems ver confusing |
| 15:23.05 | asg | greycat: true |
| 15:23.10 | gdb | Rhinoz: Make sure both your windows client and the Linux sshd are speaking the same protocol version (preferably 2). |
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| 15:23.16 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: You gave birth to a lot of kittens last month, I don't touch the sides any more. |
| 15:23.21 | gdb | ixi: Get it working? |
| 15:23.24 | ixi | ricky_clarkson: well, init 0 helped :) |
| 15:23.29 | gdb | yay! |
| 15:23.30 | ixi | gdb: init 0 |
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| 15:23.33 | Rhinoz | both are speaking version 2 |
| 15:23.46 | Rhinoz | and to be sure I tried putty and securecrt |
| 15:23.48 | ricky_clarkson | ixi: So, how did you shutdown before (the version that crashed)? |
| 15:24.08 | Rhinoz | also both of those programs allow me to connect to other servers just not my own |
| 15:24.16 | Rhinoz | and others can still connect to my server |
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| 15:24.47 | gdb | Rhinoz: Have you recently re-installed the machine or otherwise changed anything in $HOME/.sshd since you last connected successfully from the Windows client? |
| 15:24.52 | ricky_clarkson | Rhinoz: Any error messages (at either end)? |
| 15:25.17 | gdb | (I'm asking because it could be that the Windows client is refusing to connect to a machine for which the host key has changed). |
| 15:25.24 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ |
| 15:25.25 | gdb | (From the Windows cached copy) |
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| 15:26.14 | Rhinoz | I get connection reset from securecrt |
| 15:26.35 | Rhinoz | and it only seems to be that way for ssh I can still see ftp and http |
| 15:26.36 | ricky_clarkson | Rhinoz: I'd try OpenSSH (probably from Cygwin). |
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| 15:26.59 | ricky_clarkson | Rhinoz: ssh has a -v (verbose). |
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| 15:27.23 | greycat | -v on the ssh client side is almost totally worthless |
| 15:27.36 | greycat | all the stuff you WANT to debug is on the server side (authentication fuck-ups, etc.) |
| 15:27.37 | Rhinoz | is there anything in debian that would block my ip though |
| 15:27.39 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Dam knit. |
| 15:28.03 | ricky_clarkson | Rhinoz: /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny possibly. |
| 15:28.23 | Rhinoz | which I would love to debug but I may have to get someone else to look at it since I can't login =( |
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| 15:29.20 | ixi | ricky_clarkson: you mean before this time? I don't know exactly, another admin could restart it. Now I just did what you advised - told init to go '0' |
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| 15:29.29 | ricky_clarkson | !ops ^^Kylie^^ |
| 15:29.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: ^^Kylie^^ |
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| 15:29.46 | helix | oh, hi EE |
| 15:29.48 | ElectricElf | helix: Hi :) |
| 15:29.54 | nevyn | tnx |
| 15:29.59 | vladkao | yeah, hi |
| 15:30.04 | LoRez | klined |
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| 15:32.15 | gdb | you all get that shit a lot in here? |
| 15:32.18 | Rhinoz | can someone try and ssh2 to farmca.com just to help me confirm it is either server or client side |
| 15:32.19 | gdb | the adbots? |
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| 15:32.39 | gdb | Rhinoz: I'm able to. |
| 15:32.54 | ricky_clarkson | gdb: It's our punishment for not setting +r on the channel. |
| 15:32.55 | meds | Rhinoz: works for me |
| 15:32.57 | sussudio | geez. 81.213.99.37 is also turkey, who'd have thought. |
| 15:33.05 | gdb | ricky_clarkson: lol guess so! hehe |
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| 15:33.35 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak hmm, gdb |
| 15:33.36 | dpkg | jejejeje hmm, gdb jaja |
| 15:33.42 | Rhinoz | ok thanks so I know that at least ssh is working that leaves either something blocking my ip or something not allowing ssh2 from my server to se me |
| 15:33.50 | sussudio | !lolz |
| 15:34.02 | ricky_clarkson | sussudio: Still got me on /ignore? |
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| 15:34.09 | pll | does anyone know where to find a decent mp3 encoder for debian? |
| 15:34.16 | meds | lame |
| 15:34.18 | sussudio | gdb: http://lolz.webhop.org/ |
| 15:34.26 | pll | meds: is that in apt? |
| 15:34.30 | meds | pll: should be |
| 15:34.54 | pll | The only think I com up with toolame and glame |
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| 15:35.34 | ricky_clarkson | pll: /msg dpkg lame |
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| 15:35.38 | pll | I suppose I can compile from source, but that's a paing , and I'm lazy :) |
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| 15:36.25 | rudson | hi everbody |
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| 15:36.34 | PerfDave | pll: Use Ogg Vorbis ;) |
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| 15:36.45 | pll | My iPod doesn't like ogg :( |
| 15:36.51 | ricky_clarkson | I don't like your iPod. |
| 15:36.55 | PerfDave | pll: Then you're a fool for buying into Crapple's hype ;) |
| 15:36.55 | greycat | good reason not to buy one. |
| 15:37.02 | python_ | hi can anyone tell me of a tutorial to set up glmatrix as my backround? |
| 15:37.10 | Mearth | is there any utility i can use on debian to check for bad blocks and sectors on the hard drive |
| 15:37.13 | pll | Thanks PerfDave, that's really helpful. |
| 15:37.16 | ricky_clarkson | python_: glmatrix -root & |
| 15:37.17 | PerfDave | Mearth: badblocks |
| 15:37.19 | sussudio | Mearth: yes, there is. |
| 15:37.28 | Rhinoz | ok I get connection reset if its my domain or ip addresses but I can connect to other servers anybody know where ssh keys are stored in windows |
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| 15:37.36 | meds | crapple |
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| 15:37.50 | Mearth | sussudia: can u let me know which one? |
| 15:38.04 | Mearth | PerfDave: do u know about one? |
| 15:38.05 | shingouz | ricky_clarkson: that was about the most concise howto i have ever seen |
| 15:38.09 | greycat | 10:37 PerfDave> Mearth: badblocks |
| 15:38.34 | rudson | question: why should i download sarge if there's a stable version and how do i update sarge? |
| 15:38.37 | ricky_clarkson | shingouz: Makes translation into other languages easier. |
| 15:38.50 | abrotman | python_: again ? |
| 15:38.51 | Mearth | ups :S |
| 15:38.54 | Mearth | got it |
| 15:38.58 | shingouz | ricky_clarkson: true and the SNR is pretty good too |
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| 15:39.05 | Rhinoz | crap just tried another windows box and same thing from this IP |
| 15:39.09 | Mearth | thanx: PerfDave |
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| 15:39.15 | Mearth | thanx greycat |
| 15:39.16 | ricky_clarkson | Rhinoz: OpenSSH (Cygwin). |
| 15:39.19 | PerfDave | rudson: Sarge has newer software, but no security updates. You shouldn't necessarily download it. You update it the same way as you update any other Debian system. |
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| 15:39.59 | rudson | okay... i'm new... the updates go by these .deb-packages, dont they? |
| 15:40.06 | greycat | rudson: man apt-get |
| 15:40.47 | ricky_clarkson | rudson: Debian stable is 4 years old. Debian testing (sarge) is only 2 years old. |
| 15:40.50 | PerfDave | rudson: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 15:41.06 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: I think you mean "2 weeks", not "2 years". |
| 15:41.17 | greycat | not 4 years... |
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| 15:41.32 | greycat | !woody hardware support |
| 15:41.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
| 15:41.37 | rudson | that documentation is a book of its own and i dont like this screen-readin thing... |
| 15:41.39 | ricky_clarkson | 3 years then. |
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| 15:41.54 | ricky_clarkson | !sarge hardware support |
| 15:41.56 | PerfDave | rudson: So print it out. |
| 15:41.58 | greycat | rudson: screen reader? are you blind? |
| 15:42.17 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: He means "reading from a monitor" I reckon. |
| 15:42.18 | rudson | i mean to read from screen... |
| 15:42.25 | gdb | Woody was first released on July 19, 2002. Woody 3.04r was released on Jan 1, 2005. |
| 15:42.26 | greycat | then he needs a better monitor |
| 15:42.28 | rudson | haha... with no printer? |
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| 15:42.32 | gdb | er 3.0r4 |
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| 15:42.50 | greycat | or he needs to be less whiny. |
| 15:42.57 | rudson | btw... what means freeze? so usual debian doesnt run my digi-camera and stuff? |
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| 15:43.14 | ricky_clarkson | rudson: freeze means freeze, that's what means freeze. |
| 15:43.15 | greycat | rudson: Just. Run. Sarge. |
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| 15:43.22 | rudson | okay okay... |
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| 15:44.03 | rudson | the question was not if but why... you ansered it perfectly and i'm grateful (if that's the proper word to be used here) (my native tounge is german...) |
| 15:44.03 | gdb | rudson: freeze in this case means "no changes to add features or hardware support past this point" |
| 15:44.04 | python | i typed /etc/lib/xscreensaver/glmatrix -root in konsol and it didnt change my backround |
| 15:44.47 | ricky_clarkson | python: What did it do? |
| 15:44.48 | rudson | thanks... |
| 15:44.54 | gdb | rudson: Effectively, woody will support any hardware just fine that's that old, or any newer hardware that is compatible with the older drivers. It won't support new hardware that's not backward compatible, nor will it support newer features on new hardware. |
| 15:45.02 | treestone | rudson: if your camera uses standard usb-storage (non-buggy, i.e. not like Olympus) then it'll work also on woody. It'll look like a scsi disk. |
| 15:45.10 | valdyn_ | python: you're running nautilus ( gnome )? |
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| 15:45.21 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: konsole suggests KDE. |
| 15:45.24 | python | no i am running kde |
| 15:45.25 | ricky_clarkson | python: Are you running some program that puts its own window over the root window? |
| 15:45.36 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: yea! |
| 15:45.39 | python | no |
| 15:45.44 | greycat | ah, removing the 75 MB mozilla core file would also be good. |
| 15:45.48 | gdb | heh |
| 15:45.49 | python | what program dous that |
| 15:45.50 | python | ? |
| 15:45.51 | rudson | no i got a dsc-v1... i believe this was somethin with the baggy than... |
| 15:45.54 | simonrvn | greycat: tell it you'll beat up the kernel if it doesn't stop acting like a zombie |
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| 15:46.00 | valdyn_ | python: konqueror may do that, since you're seeing its icons on your screen too |
| 15:46.00 | rudson | so you prefer sarge (testing)?! |
| 15:46.08 | ricky_clarkson | python: nautilus does it in Gnome, I don't use KDE but maybe konqueror or something does that in KDE. |
| 15:46.22 | simonrvn | greycat: core file ick |
| 15:46.38 | ricky_clarkson | valdyn_: btw, don't forget that nautilus can be prevented from doing that, either with a registry key or --no-desktop |
| 15:46.39 | python | so how would i set that up? |
| 15:46.39 | mooded | hey all.. anybody knows where nvidia-glx package is gone ? (wasnt there one in testing ?) |
| 15:46.47 | valdyn_ | ricky_clarkson: yea |
| 15:46.49 | greycat | simonrvn: the kernel didn't care, but mozilla crashed and caused X (or my WM) to go haywire, and zapping X by keystroke didn't fully work (the X server went away and I was back at console, but X didn't *die*), and I had to login remotely to kill X and xinit. |
| 15:46.51 | ricky_clarkson | python: #debian-kde or #kde |
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| 15:47.03 | python | ok |
| 15:47.10 | simonrvn | oh yuck :/ |
| 15:47.31 | greycat | fortunately I didn't have to reboot, so I didn't lose anything in screen(1) including this channel. |
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| 15:47.53 | simonrvn | that's cool |
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| 15:48.19 | greycat | !screen++ |
| 15:48.53 | abrotman | pseubodot: ping |
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| 15:52.01 | badblody | how con i send a mail in non-interactive mode with the body a text file? |
| 15:52.01 | rudson | i quite read the first two chapters of the documentation: so can i install debian over windows and does windows still work then? |
| 15:52.02 | TummyAcid | what command do i issue after ive installinged windows and i need to reinstall grub |
| 15:52.07 | TummyAcid | or re-apply it to the boot sector |
| 15:52.20 | greycat | badblody: mutt ..... < bodyfile |
| 15:52.38 | greycat | or mailx(1) instead of mutt if you're insane. |
| 15:52.59 | simonrvn | greycat: i resemble that remark! |
| 15:53.52 | TummyAcid | ive already booted linux from a rescue cd |
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| 15:53.58 | rudson | if i install debian (sarge) does windowsXP still work? |
| 15:54.09 | python | rudson yes |
| 15:54.12 | greycat | rudson: as well as it did before. |
| 15:54.25 | TummyAcid | but how do i run grub like i used to lilo after an xp install |
| 15:54.26 | python | i am triple booting xp debian and widows longhorn |
| 15:54.33 | simonrvn | s/well/badly/ |
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| 15:55.37 | TummyAcid | please! i want my debian back |
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| 15:55.51 | simonrvn | grow a sense of humour |
| 15:56.05 | greycat | TummyAcid: grub-install seems to be part of the answer. |
| 15:56.12 | TummyAcid | excellant thanx |
| 15:56.12 | Rhinoz | how do I connect to ssh with cygwin |
| 15:56.12 | greycat | TummyAcid: nobody has ever yet told me the complete answer, though |
| 15:56.23 | greycat | Rhinoz: ssh |
| 15:56.25 | JoshH | TummyAcid: try grub-install /dev/xxx |
| 15:57.11 | TummyAcid | they should put that in the man page |
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| 15:58.48 | greycat | is there a webdav client module for firefox? |
| 15:58.58 | simonrvn | no :/ |
| 15:59.00 | Space_NL | JoshH: so i can boot from /dev/hda, then have in /dev/hdb a different disk .. and install grub on hbd .. and then later switch hda and hdb to have hdb as running disk ? |
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| 15:59.20 | simonrvn | it groks webdav as much as it groks GET |
| 15:59.21 | Taraxacum | hey |
| 15:59.34 | TinoW | greycat: why do you need? |
| 15:59.49 | JoshH | Space_NL: im sorry, i dont get it |
| 15:59.54 | TinoW | would be nice to have the standard gnome filerequester have proper dav support... |
| 16:00.04 | greycat | TinoW: just curious. So I can avoid saying "First, run Internet Explorer" in my e-mail that I'm writing. |
| 16:00.16 | simonrvn | greycat: i use a home built sitecopy .deb, and a home built cadaver |
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| 16:00.24 | greycat | TinoW: there ain't nothin' *standard* about gnome. |
| 16:00.38 | TinoW | greycat: Internet Explorer can neither ;). I mean seriuosly ;) |
| 16:00.44 | greycat | TinoW: I just *did* it. |
| 16:00.51 | greycat | TinoW: it fired up Microsoft Word, but it worked. |
| 16:00.55 | simonrvn | TinoW: "Web Folders" |
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| 16:01.10 | simonrvn | greycat: oh, konqueror kinda does it |
| 16:01.13 | abrotman | greycat: you ever get that gateway to work ? |
| 16:01.15 | TinoW | simonrvn: yes I know. But as usual its heavy fcked off |
| 16:01.16 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 16:01.20 | greycat | simonrvn: not helpful :/ |
| 16:01.32 | simonrvn | but it behaves like M$ word in that it opens an editor |
| 16:01.33 | greycat | abrotman: yes, except the sound, but I'm not worried about that |
| 16:01.36 | Taraxacum | if i miss a package on the sarge cd to be able to get the internet working, can i just add it to the cd then in the right directory? |
| 16:01.40 | abrotman | greycat: sound is overrated :) |
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| 16:01.50 | Space_NL | JoshH: well, i have a small hdd, where my debian is on .. i copied all the info to a second (larger) harddisk .. and now would like to make hdb > hda .. so i have my root fs on a larger disk .. but i cant make lilo work on hdb .. so .. can one install grub to /dev/hdb then open the case, and make hdb > hda ? |
| 16:01.54 | greycat | abrotman: if it were *my* laptop, I'd get sound working or die trying.... but it's not. |
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| 16:02.08 | abrotman | greycat: for a doctor ? |
| 16:02.23 | greycat | abrotman: yes. and they only use it for one application, then they reboot to windows (or turn it off) |
| 16:02.31 | abrotman | greycat: oh .. lovely |
| 16:02.32 | Rhinoz | ok under cygwin I get the error connection closed by remote host when trying to connect |
| 16:02.35 | simonrvn | "he's CODING!" over the lappy's speakers would be disconcerting ;P |
| 16:02.36 | flexy | debian stable, postfix-snap with mysql, postfix only uses mysql queries defined in "virtual_mailbox_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf", and not the other queries defined in virtual_mailbox_domains or virtual_alias_maps. Hence, cannot receive mail in any virtual host/user. What might be wrong with my setup? |
| 16:02.47 | greycat | I put Firefox on the root menu, but I doubt any of them will even *look* at the menu, let alone try running it. |
| 16:02.58 | jetscreamer | Space_NL, just change boot=/dev/hda1 to boot=/dev/hdb1, change stuff in fstab, use a woody cd to boot to hdb1 (rescue root=/dev/hdb1) then run lilo, then reboot |
| 16:03.02 | TonyMaro | NOOB question: Just installed Debian from a net install disk - used to use Mandrake. Using Gnome. How in the HECK do I edit the menu? |
| 16:03.02 | Rhinoz | so something on the server must be blocking me? right |
| 16:03.06 | simonrvn | alias on the desktop |
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| 16:03.11 | jetscreamer | oh Space_NL that's in /etc/lilo.conf |
| 16:03.17 | jetscreamer | of hdb1 |
| 16:03.40 | jluk_ | hello , i need some help to configure my mouse , she is dead , she don't move , :(((( ( i modified gpm.conf and XF.... but no result ) |
| 16:03.44 | jetscreamer | keep root=/dev/hda |
| 16:03.52 | jetscreamer | Space_NL, ^^ |
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| 16:04.06 | jetscreamer | yeah i just did that |
| 16:04.06 | doomster | hi! |
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| 16:04.17 | Space_NL | noob => if i am going to use a cd to boot into hdb .. why would i change lilo.conf ? |
| 16:04.17 | jetscreamer | lowlevel formatted all 3 hd's in my box |
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| 16:04.35 | jetscreamer | you want to boot off a cd |
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| 16:04.46 | jetscreamer | make a boot floppy then jerk |
| 16:04.56 | abrotman | spaz! |
| 16:05.04 | simonrvn | goofball |
| 16:05.07 | abrotman | dork! |
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| 16:05.17 | simonrvn | twitchy! |
| 16:05.22 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 16:05.24 | doomster | I need a tip for configuring a laptop so I can easily switch it between different network setups, is there a tool for this? |
| 16:05.37 | simonrvn | doomster: several |
| 16:05.39 | abrotman | yes i believe there is |
| 16:05.46 | jetscreamer | you change the /dev/hdb1's /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 16:06.02 | yaaar | word |
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| 16:06.09 | Space_NL | jetscreamer: aah! now i understand, offcours,e thnx! |
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| 16:06.11 | jetscreamer | so lthat when you boot with the woody cd, and run lilo, it gets written correctly |
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| 16:06.18 | Nermal | any ideas how I stop this caudium shite being installed when installing things like php5-mysql ? |
| 16:06.22 | alai | Hi |
| 16:06.24 | JoshH | Space_NL: you just use the CD once so you can boot into linux in order to fix the bootloader |
| 16:06.33 | alai | No |
| 16:06.38 | jetscreamer | Space_NL, you'll get a lot of module loading errors, ignore it |
| 16:06.44 | jetscreamer | hen yo uboot |
| 16:06.59 | asg | Nermal: install php4-gd or php4-curl via dpkg -i. update all other dependancies via apt-get manually. |
| 16:07.11 | Nermal | hmmm |
| 16:07.18 | Nermal | ok :) |
| 16:07.20 | doomster | simonrvn, can you suggest me some? |
| 16:07.32 | simonrvn | no since i don't use that |
| 16:07.41 | simonrvn | @tell doomster about search |
| 16:07.46 | Phati`- | how can i install 1024X8xx in the terminal ... i forgot it in the installtion :( |
| 16:07.47 | abrotman | doomster: netenv .. but there is far more than one |
| 16:07.54 | abrotman | doomster: and no .. i've never used it |
| 16:07.58 | yaaar | ok, i'm a bit torn. I'd like to use debian for some production asterisk PBX boxes. but woody seems like it's not really up to date enough for me, and sarge bothers me with the security updates thing. so, what i'm wondering is whether it's feasible to run woody with some newer components, in particular a 2.6 kernel, udev/hotplug, and stuff like that |
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| 16:08.18 | abrotman | !sarge security issues |
| 16:08.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing security issues is http://merkel.debian.org/~joeyh/testing-security.html |
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| 16:09.05 | jetscreamer | oh btw, when trying to use a d-i install disk, to specify root=, do i have to use that target/lun/disc stuff? or what? /dev/hdb1 didn't work |
| 16:09.07 | DimmuR | I'm testing writing emails via telnet but i have small problem... I got info: "End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>" What should i do to finish writing? |
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| 16:09.23 | doomster | simonrvn, abrotman, thanks. |
| 16:09.24 | abrotman | jetscreamer: #debian-boot might know ? |
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| 16:09.32 | abrotman | but they might kill you for asking |
| 16:09.45 | jetscreamer | i'll haunt them if they do |
| 16:09.50 | alai | ²ġ |
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| 16:09.56 | simonrvn | that's the spirit |
| 16:09.59 | yaaar | abrotman: so, right this instant there are 42 known unpatched vulnerabilities in sarge? |
| 16:10.09 | yaaar | that's kind of scary... |
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| 16:10.10 | jetscreamer | yuck yuck yuck... |
| 16:10.11 | abrotman | yaaar: yes .. as far as joey knows |
| 16:10.14 | yaaar | ah |
| 16:10.16 | fly_80 | hi all .I just installed mozilla-firefox , but i can't start it , and i get this message error : Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 16:10.22 | abrotman | yaaar: but if you read them .. some of them are dumb stuff ... |
| 16:10.25 | yaaar | abrotman: right |
| 16:10.39 | yaaar | abrotman: so, woody keeps much closer track, I'm led to believe? |
| 16:11.04 | abrotman | yaaar: right .. the other thing is .. you wouldn't necessarily have all those packages installed |
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| 16:11.42 | doomster | fly_80, root can't connect to a user's X server just like that. |
| 16:11.49 | yaaar | abrotman: can I run woody with a 2.6 kernel and udev/hotplug without having to rearrange my whole life? |
| 16:11.57 | abrotman | yaaar: you can put 2.6 on woody .. but it's not any more secure given the recent history of security issues with 2.6.x |
| 16:12.04 | fly_80 | doomster, i know that...in fact I start it from user... |
| 16:12.08 | abrotman | !bunk 2.6 |
| 16:12.08 | dpkg | hmm... bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 16:12.14 | yaaar | abrotman: that's true....in fact, only a couple of those would be on the target systems. on the other hand, the fact that ssh is one of them is pretty rough |
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| 16:12.35 | abrotman | yaaar: bunk has 2.6.6 .. and unless he backported some patches .. it's got security issues |
| 16:12.49 | abrotman | yaaar: read the ssh CAN thing |
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| 16:12.59 | abrotman | yaaar: it's a default setting that you can change |
| 16:13.20 | yaaar | ah right |
| 16:13.43 | jluk_ | hi , debian , gnome , mouse no reaction where is the problem , in gpm or xf86 ? |
| 16:14.01 | yaaar | when do we expect sarge to take over stable from woody? |
| 16:14.02 | abrotman | does gpm work ? |
| 16:14.08 | simonrvn | plug in the mouse? |
| 16:14.12 | abrotman | yaaar: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 16:15.06 | fly_80 | doomster, how can i resolve it ? |
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| 16:15.09 | abrotman | yaaar: and if you want to help .. i believe there is a BSP this weekend |
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| 16:15.32 | abrotman | he's multipluying |
| 16:15.47 | doomster | fly_80, I don't know, I was just guessing that you were still root while trying to start it. |
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| 16:16.17 | yaaar | abrotman: righ on. thanks. (one really doesn't expect to get a reasonable answer about when something's going to get done on irc....but that bot seems to have the story down) |
| 16:16.40 | jetscreamer | !tell jluk_ about gpm |
| 16:16.43 | abrotman | yaaar: well . there's no definitive timeline .. it's released .. when it's ready .. not any sooner :) |
| 16:16.48 | yaaar | yeah |
| 16:16.56 | yaaar | my favorite is asking him 'sarge guess' |
| 16:16.58 | jetscreamer | sarge should be released by xmas 2006 |
| 16:17.11 | Bu5H | 2016* |
| 16:17.14 | abrotman | yaaar: you can try to gauge by bugs.debian.org/release-critical .. but that isn't always going down .. sometimes up |
| 16:17.15 | jetscreamer | note i added a year |
| 16:17.16 | yaaar | jetscreamer: so, your point is, it'll beat longinthetooth to market? |
| 16:17.28 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 16:17.34 | jluk_ | jetscreamer, i modfy with raw |
| 16:17.47 | jetscreamer | jluk_, i know nothing |
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| 16:18.02 | jetscreamer | i don't use gpm, alsa, or udev |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | !info libhow10 |
| 16:18.25 | abrotman | !info libhowl0 |
| 16:18.29 | dpkg | libhowl0: (Library for Zeroconf service discovery), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.9.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 16:18.31 | Plastic | Hi, how can i see which installation CD a certain package is on (so I dont' have to download all 10). I can't find emacs on the first 2 discs |
| 16:18.39 | abrotman | Plastic: woody ? |
| 16:18.43 | StereoSkit | Hi dudes, i have a question, is it possible to install packages with circular dependency using dpkg? |
| 16:18.44 | Plastic | sarge |
| 16:18.45 | abrotman | Plastic: and use vi! |
| 16:19.01 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
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| 16:19.49 | TummyAcid | is there any good docs for grub? i am totally lost |
| 16:19.56 | caphuso | TummyAcid: infobrowser grub |
| 16:20.03 | jetscreamer | !info grub-doc |
| 16:20.07 | dpkg | grub-doc: (Documentation for GRand Unified Bootloader), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.95+cvs20040624-15 (sid), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 797 kB |
| 16:20.12 | StereoSkit | anyone? |
| 16:20.30 | stew | StereoSkit: yes, there are lots of circular dependencies |
| 16:20.31 | asg | StereoSkit: install them both at the same time (dpkg -i foo bar) |
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| 16:20.53 | jetscreamer | i told you the best method StereoSkit |
| 16:20.59 | TummyAcid | i ment a webpage, since my boot loader isnt workingits very hard to get into linux to install things |
| 16:21.14 | simonrvn | google it |
| 16:21.32 | TummyAcid | nothing but usless pages in the first thirty hits |
| 16:21.37 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, there are 50 billion sites with manpages-dev mirrored in html... google man grub |
| 16:21.38 | TummyAcid | i just wanna use this terminal |
| 16:21.39 | StereoSkit | yes, tnx, stew, asg & jetscreamer |
| 16:21.51 | StereoSkit | ill try right now |
| 16:22.05 | TummyAcid | ive read the manual its about as long as my resume |
| 16:22.13 | TummyAcid | btw my resume is very short |
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| 16:22.32 | TinoW | TummyAcid: grub has some howtos |
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| 16:22.50 | TinoW | TummyAcid: there is #grub also :) |
| 16:23.05 | TummyAcid | ive found a minihowto, but it talks about using a floppy, something my vaio does not have |
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| 16:23.38 | lool | TummyAcid: (JIC, most of the documentation is accessible via the "info grub" command) |
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| 16:23.44 | TinoW | TummyAcid: bootable usb-stick perhaps? |
| 16:23.53 | abrotman | Plastic: you're not using an http debian source ? |
| 16:23.56 | Nykheyn | How to create a floopy image in order to export linux files (running in a virtual machine) in windows. |
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| 16:24.36 | TummyAcid | i could use the bootable usb, but i konw even less about that then i do grub |
| 16:24.40 | MarcN | TinoW: what usb-booting linux disto/package do you recommend? Just dropped in to ask when I saw your comment ;-) |
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| 16:25.04 | abrotman | MarcN: to install or just run ? |
| 16:25.23 | TinoW | MarcN: thats entirely no property of linux or any other os but a BIOS problem on i386 hardware |
| 16:25.31 | Nykheyn | How to create a floopy image in order to export linux files (running in a virtual machine) in windows. somebody can help me? |
| 16:25.52 | TinoW | Nykheyn: export that to where? |
| 16:25.58 | lool | Nykheyn: what's your VM? |
| 16:26.10 | Nykheyn | Vmware. |
| 16:26.42 | lool | Nykheyn: did you check in the VMWare doc how you should create a floppy disk image? |
| 16:26.56 | hojax | i am not having luck still with my sound card in alsa - i have a yamaha opl3sa2 sound card in my laptop here... i can get oss working fine but i cant figure out why alsa will not work... |
| 16:27.04 | lool | Nykheyn: that first step is really a vmware issue I think |
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| 16:27.17 | abrotman | greycat|home: having problems ? |
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| 16:27.32 | greycat|home | What the in the bloody blue fucking HELL is going on? |
| 16:27.38 | MarcN | TinoW: I understand all needing bios support. I've looked at SPBlinux and DSL linux, but they don't look debian based. Would like to have a nice recovery usb key to boot from when needed. |
| 16:27.39 | lool | hojax: you checked support of your sound card on alsa-project.org? |
| 16:27.40 | cahoot | hojax: you've made sure oss modules are not loaded when trying alsa? |
| 16:27.46 | abrotman | greycat|home: there are four of you now :)_ |
| 16:27.49 | hojax | lool it says it is supported |
| 16:27.59 | greycat|home | Did someone break Freenode, or did someone break things on the firewall at work? |
| 16:28.08 | lool | hojax: ok, then I agree with cahoot check: did you unload OSS modules? |
| 16:28.09 | TinoW | MarcN: any will do including Debian |
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| 16:28.30 | [Nykheyn] | Back |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | greycat|home: blame the other admin |
| 16:28.48 | abrotman | greycat|home: could it be your home isp bouncing ? |
| 16:28.48 | [Nykheyn] | I haven't found it, lool |
| 16:28.49 | greycat|home | abrotman: I have NO control over the firewall at work. Different department. |
| 16:28.57 | hojax | lool, cahoot - i unloaded all oss modules .... i believe i have to specify all the ports/irq for this card.... so alsaconf does not autodetect it.... |
| 16:29.12 | hojax | i probed the card but it says it cannot be found.. |
| 16:29.12 | abrotman | greycat|home: take control! . or send them a nastygram |
| 16:29.17 | lool | hojax: grep for it in the output of "dmesg", and see if it is seen |
| 16:29.23 | greycat|home | abrotman: greycat|home *IS* from my home system. I'm ssh'ed to my openbsd box at home, thence to my Debian box, then I have irssi running inside screen. And that seems to be working fine. |
| 16:29.35 | lool | hojax: and check it's exact version in lspci |
| 16:29.49 | TummyAcid | ok im never EVER using grub again lilo was never ths difficult |
| 16:29.54 | MarcN | TinoW: I was looking for straight forward instructions on how to put a small distro on a USB key. Don't feel like reinventing the wheel. |
| 16:29.57 | greycat|home | But any connection to freenode that I make from work gives me the MOTD, and lets me join a channel, then it goes into "infinite lag" m ode. |
| 16:29.59 | lool | the ALSA instructions are pretty clear on module loading usually, do they recommend passing a port / IRQ? |
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| 16:30.00 | hojax | lool well, it is listed in dmesg b/c i think it is loading the oss modules (which seem to work) |
| 16:30.11 | greycat|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.12 | hojax | lool lspci does not list anything with the sound card.... |
| 16:30.18 | Nykheyn | My debian don't recognize scsi hd, in my ide hd i've installed windows, |
| 16:30.28 | hojax | lool yes, i have to specify all ports/irq |
| 16:30.30 | abrotman | greycat|home: i figured it was your homesystem .. but i thought it could be bouncing .. dropping your ssh .. but continuing your irc ? |
| 16:30.30 | TummyAcid | it says my ext3 is unrecognized partitions |
| 16:30.34 | Nykheyn | I must run debian only with virtual machine. |
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| 16:30.40 | abrotman | only! |
| 16:30.51 | lool | hojax: that's weird, lspci | grep -i audio doesn't return anything? |
| 16:30.58 | greycat|home | abrotman: if nobody else is having problems, it must be local to my workplace. |
| 16:31.06 | Nykheyn | I must export c programs in windows |
| 16:31.12 | citral | Is there a way (e.g. in /proc) to know the pci bus speed of my computer? |
| 16:31.14 | greycat|home | Nykheyn: to what country? |
| 16:31.16 | lool | hojax: are you using a PCI card? or some old hardware stuff, such as ISA, or some recent stuff such as an USB card? |
| 16:31.32 | Nykheyn | Grey, i'm italian (sorry for bad english) |
| 16:31.32 | hojax | lool "lspci |
| 16:31.42 | hojax | grep -i audio" doesnt return anything |
| 16:31.50 | TummyAcid | anyone know of a way to rescue sarge? my install does not have a rescue image and the woody version wont mount ext/3 |
| 16:31.54 | lool | + | |
| 16:31.56 | TinoW | MarcN: ok, this depends a little bit on the BIOS and how it can boot the stick. You could just copy the files off a CD-Rom. Should work the same. If not see syslinux |
| 16:31.58 | hojax | lool last night i swore it was an isa card - but now i dont know.... :P |
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| 16:32.03 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: yes it will. rescbf24, duh. |
| 16:32.10 | lool | hojax: ahhh ISA |
| 16:32.10 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, yes it will it thinks it's ext2 |
| 16:32.14 | Nykheyn | Greycat , i'm italian (sorry for bad english) |
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| 16:32.21 | hojax | lool some strange card (?) it is in my laptop |
| 16:32.21 | lool | hojax: well err, sorry. :-/ |
| 16:32.22 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: also, you can alt-f2 from the sarge install menu and then mount things by hand. |
| 16:32.24 | jetscreamer | it's rescue r00t=/dev/hdb1 |
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| 16:32.35 | jetscreamer | err root |
| 16:32.36 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: no, it's not. |
| 16:32.36 | AciD | oi |
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| 16:32.42 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: it's rescbf24 root=/dev/hdb1 |
| 16:32.58 | TummyAcid | i will try |
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| 16:33.21 | TummyAcid | well for some reason they are blank and it cannot find the kernel |
| 16:33.25 | jetscreamer | never seen that one, but it IS rescue root=/dev/hdb1 ... i will accept that there is >1 way |
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| 16:33.52 | greycat|home | 11:32 Irssi: No PONG reply from server sterling.freenode.net in 301 seconds, |
| 16:33.52 | greycat|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.08 | greycat|home | but I know sterling is OK, because greycat|home is on it. |
| 16:34.14 | jetscreamer | my way gives up 2.2.20-idepci btw |
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| 16:34.24 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: which can't mount ext3. |
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| 16:34.45 | jetscreamer | greycat, it works just fine, i did it last night |
| 16:34.57 | jetscreamer | it just thinks it's ext2 |
| 16:34.57 | greycat|home | mounting it as ext2 should work, of course. |
| 16:34.59 | ARCh1V1St | How can I suspend (or just blank) the monitor from a shell? |
| 16:35.05 | greycat|home | ARCh1V1St: /msg dpkg blank |
| 16:35.06 | LSorense | jetscreamer: 2.2.20-idepci is an installer kernel, and installing woody is better done using bf24 (2.4.18 kernel) anyhow, or if installing a new desktop probably using sarge would be even better |
| 16:35.14 | warthawg | i have whacked my xf86config for nvidia, it just crashes x when it starts, how can i start the process all over again? |
| 16:35.15 | jetscreamer | it "Just Worked(TM) |
| 16:35.18 | ARCh1V1St | thanks Greycat, once agaain :D |
| 16:35.25 | greycat|home | !drxx warthawg |
| 16:35.25 | dpkg | warthawg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 16:35.33 | warthawg | thanks |
| 16:35.40 | jetscreamer | LSorense, this is too boot to a nonfunctional install just to run lilo... and the method functions fine. |
| 16:35.42 | greycat|home | !x md5 |
| 16:35.43 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: Maybe you should try some different port numbers. |
| 16:35.44 | jetscreamer | s/too/to/ |
| 16:35.58 | LSorense | jetscreamer: if you use a kernel that can read the FS, which that one often can't |
| 16:36.01 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: I *already* have to use differen ports, because work started blocking 6667 last year. |
| 16:36.01 | resiak | !xmd5 |
| 16:36.01 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then ... |
| 16:36.05 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: so I've been using 7000 |
| 16:36.13 | greycat|home | !literal x md5 |
| 16:36.13 | dpkg | x md5 is <reply> see x md5sum |
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| 16:36.19 | greycat|home | !literal x md5sum |
| 16:36.19 | dpkg | x md5sum is <reply> If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > ... |
| 16:36.22 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: 8001 here. |
| 16:36.40 | resiak | greycat|home: I thiink that we can conclude that dpkg's left brain is not talking to the right. |
| 16:36.48 | ricky_clarkson | !peblhar |
| 16:37.00 | ricky_clarkson | !pebrhal |
| 16:37.01 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Right Hand And Left |
| 16:37.04 | jetscreamer | LSorense, it read my ext3 as ext2 without any special actions on my part, and this was last night/this mornng that i did it.. and i've been doing this for quite a while, a year maybe |
| 16:37.36 | jetscreamer | it 'Just Works(TM)' |
| 16:37.49 | warthawg | how can i find the bus identifier of my video card? |
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| 16:38.05 | jetscreamer | warthawg, unless you have >1 vid card leave it blank |
| 16:38.05 | greycat|home | warthawg: Just Hit Enter. |
| 16:38.09 | warthawg | thanks |
| 16:38.20 | jetscreamer | but it's PCI:1:0:0 for 1st agp |
| 16:38.21 | greycat|home | port 8001 isn't working any better. |
| 16:38.30 | greycat|home | what the hell did they DO to the firewall?? |
| 16:38.35 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: IPv6 tunnel |
| 16:38.43 | Rhinoz | thanks all got the ssh problem solved PARANOID was on =( appreciate the help finding where to look |
| 16:38.43 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: I assume you're using SSH now. |
| 16:38.44 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: shall I laugh? |
| 16:39.05 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: ssh from imadev (hpux 10.20) to wooledge.org (IPv4 PPPOE ADSL OpenBSD 3.6) |
| 16:39.10 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: That's up to your own cerebral-mouth interface, surely. |
| 16:39.22 | greycat|home | IPv6 tunnel.... yeah right. |
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| 16:39.26 | LSorense | jetscreamer: yeah but if the ext3 wasn't cleanly unmounted, then you can't mount it, which sucks if you are trying to recover a system |
| 16:39.33 | ricky_clarkson | I used to use freenet6 to get here. |
| 16:39.38 | ricky_clarkson | Or whatever it's called. |
| 16:39.46 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: and you do that on hp-ux 10.20 by....? |
| 16:39.54 | jetscreamer | LSorense, i'll have to take your word on that one, never been there i reckon |
| 16:39.57 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: vmware? ;) |
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| 16:40.29 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: Nice hostname, btw, imadev. |
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| 16:40.47 | jetscreamer | :) imadev |
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| 16:41.03 | greycat|home | near as I can make out, it stands for "image development" because it's what my predecessor used to use to develop the master ("golden") images that are installed onto the workstations |
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| 16:41.54 | jetscreamer | not i'm a dev, oh no |
| 16:42.10 | TummyAcid | #grub is dead i would be happy just to boot windows at this point since grub wont even recognize my boot partition |
| 16:42.27 | TummyAcid | "cannot mount select partition |
| 16:42.36 | ricky_clarkson | TummyAcid: Use your boot disk. |
| 16:42.48 | TummyAcid | sony vaio has no floppy drive |
| 16:42.53 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, take w98 ebd floppy, boot it, type fdisk /mbr, reboot, windows magically appears |
| 16:42.56 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 16:42.57 | TummyAcid | my sarge install disk has no rescue command |
| 16:43.04 | jetscreamer | boot to w98 cd then |
| 16:43.11 | jetscreamer | get a woody cd or... |
| 16:43.14 | jetscreamer | one sec |
| 16:43.16 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: alt-f2, mkdir /foo, mount /dev/hda2 /foo |
| 16:43.16 | TummyAcid | and my woody install wont recognize ext3 |
| 16:43.21 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: it's NOT hard. |
| 16:43.26 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: chroot /foo |
| 16:43.26 | TummyAcid | altf2 does nothing |
| 16:43.30 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: BULLSHIT. |
| 16:43.37 | TummyAcid | dude im watching it |
| 16:43.45 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, http://www.sysresccd.org/ http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 16:43.52 | ricky_clarkson | TummyAcid: Describe your screen. |
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| 16:44.36 | TummyAcid | its the sarge netinstal screen |
| 16:44.42 | greycat|home | if you make me shut down windows and fire up my sarge pre-rc2 netinstall ISO just to prove you wrong, I shall be quite perturbed. |
| 16:44.52 | TummyAcid | f1 for help, or enter to boot |
| 16:45.02 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: so fucking BOOT . |
| 16:45.02 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, also let me ask you: did you, at the boot: prompt when the cd first boots, type rescue root=/dev/hdb1 ? |
| 16:45.05 | TummyAcid | i press alt-f2, nothjing happens |
| 16:45.06 | greycat|home | press ENTER> |
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| 16:45.11 | petemc | heh |
| 16:45.15 | TummyAcid | but i dont want to install it again |
| 16:45.17 | pder | do i need a computer to run debian? |
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| 16:45.18 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, YEAH THERE |
| 16:45.21 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: there is no rescue on sarge. |
| 16:45.28 | TummyAcid | i spent forever getting this thing to use wifi |
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| 16:45.30 | jetscreamer | oh it's sarge nm |
| 16:45.33 | jetscreamer | woody |
| 16:45.35 | ricky_clarkson | pder: No, you can get by with a kettle. |
| 16:45.41 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: just hit enter, wait for the first interaction, and then alt-f2 |
| 16:45.55 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, you redo the installer up untill the point right before the partitioner |
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| 16:46.03 | jetscreamer | let me show you the web page |
| 16:46.40 | TummyAcid | ok im ata shell |
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| 16:46.40 | Reech | I wanna add some networking commands to boot up, mainly disabling eth0/1 and brining up wlan0 and loading dhclient for it. what config file should this be added to? |
| 16:46.41 | greycat|home | mkdir, mount, chroot |
| 16:46.52 | greycat|home | Reech: interfaces(5) |
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| 16:47.02 | petemc | Reech: ifplugd is useful |
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| 16:47.11 | Reech | Where is that greycat|home? |
| 16:47.15 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianInstallerFAQ question #28 down at the end |
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| 16:47.25 | Bu5H | Reech: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:47.34 | Reech | ok |
| 16:47.34 | Reech | Thanks |
| 16:47.35 | MesaMan | Are there any PAM_crack experts here? |
| 16:47.50 | greycat|home | !expert |
| 16:47.50 | dpkg | an expert is someone who knows at least 1% more about a subject than youself. an "ex"-- someone who *used* to know what he was talking about, and "spurt", a big drip...well, perhaps an ex is someone who lives in Texas |
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| 16:48.25 | jetscreamer | !botsex |
| 16:48.25 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
| 16:48.26 | MesaMan | oh vey |
| 16:48.28 | TummyAcid | ok i am following the instructions there |
| 16:48.29 | BrianAnthony | can someone tell me why when I'm trying to compile a module to my running kernel it keeps saying the changelog has a different version? |
| 16:48.40 | BrianAnthony | kernel version, even |
| 16:48.53 | greycat|home | BrianAnthony: use module-assistant |
| 16:48.56 | sussudio | !confuse BrianAnthony |
| 16:48.56 | dpkg | Yes, what are our weasel tomorrow, BrianAnthony? lederhosen of the republic of micronesia with extra cream |
| 16:49.47 | jetscreamer | hey where does devfs put hdb1 ... /dev/discs/??? |
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| 16:50.05 | MesaMan | Question... pam_crack checks the new password against a list of previously used passwords in "opasswd" How many passwords are stored per user? How is that controlled? |
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| 16:50.15 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: hit tab a lot. that's all I know. |
| 16:50.27 | greycat|home | probably you need an "ide" somewhere, too. |
| 16:51.05 | hojax | !seen Guerin |
| 16:51.06 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 87534 messages. Is idling for 9h 54m 34s |
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| 16:51.21 | Phati`- | heeeeeeeeee |
| 16:51.27 | Phati`- | das script will ich auch -.- |
| 16:51.30 | pwned | how do you deal with the problem of your dhclient suddenly stopping to work but a gentoo livecd still finds the network? |
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| 16:51.44 | TummyAcid | ok it says i cannot mount my drive because /target does not exist, but ive created the directory |
| 16:51.47 | pwned | where can I start? |
| 16:51.50 | jetscreamer | ooo so an initrd.img is just a .img ... doh |
| 16:52.05 | TummyAcid | no matter how i try to mount it it says no such file or directory |
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| 16:52.31 | stew | TummyAcid: what exactly are you typing? |
| 16:52.33 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, you're doing something basic, wrong. |
| 16:52.40 | stew | TummyAcid: and what exactly is the error? |
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| 16:52.49 | greycat|home | he's probably trying to use the NORMAL device name instead of the devfs crap |
| 16:53.11 | jethro | heya jetscreamer |
| 16:53.15 | TummyAcid | yes i am using normal device name |
| 16:53.33 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: sarge's installer is devfs. you need to mount /dev/<TAB> and then start guessing. |
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| 16:53.42 | jethro | took like 3hours and 50 to go to the office this mornin |
| 16:53.50 | greycat|home | it'll be about 50 characters long when you' |
| 16:53.51 | jetscreamer | so you just mount the dang thing and write stuff |
| 16:53.52 | greycat|home | re all done. |
| 16:53.54 | citral | that must be paris |
| 16:53.56 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: Try a map. |
| 16:53.58 | jetscreamer | jethro, awww... :/ |
| 16:54.01 | TummyAcid | ok i see where i need to look |
| 16:54.01 | jethro | citral: indeed |
| 16:54.07 | citral | bleh |
| 16:54.10 | TummyAcid | thanx sorry ive been difficult |
| 16:54.11 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: ls /dev |
| 16:54.15 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: pointless when everything is screwed |
| 16:54.23 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
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| 16:54.30 | ricky_clarkson | Pah, walk. |
| 16:54.30 | pwned | fix my ethernet! =| |
| 16:54.39 | stew | !fix pwned |
| 16:54.39 | ricky_clarkson | !fix pwned's ethernet |
| 16:54.39 | citral | badgertab TummyAcid |
| 16:54.45 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: was not close enough :) |
| 16:54.48 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, when you find the path, paste it here plz |
| 16:54.52 | jetscreamer | or msg it to me |
| 16:55.01 | greycat|home | I doubt he can paste. |
| 16:55.05 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: It was >18 miles away? |
| 16:55.07 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 16:55.09 | BrianAnthony | greycat|home: module assistant said I don't have the headers installed, but I used apt-get to download them. do I need to dcompress them? |
| 16:55.24 | greycat|home | but it's gonna be something like /dev/bus/ide/ide0/discs/disc0/partitoins/part2 |
| 16:55.30 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: was like 20km away and I was supposed to be there early for a meating, and of course I was like 2h and a half late |
| 16:55.31 | greycat|home | fucking devfs. |
| 16:55.43 | ricky_clarkson | What's 20km in real money? |
| 16:55.44 | jethro | meeting even |
| 16:55.49 | greycat|home | BrianAnthony: apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
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| 16:55.55 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: 20 when the taxi isn't stuck in jams |
| 16:55.57 | jetscreamer | that lun/target/disc stuff isn't devfs i don't think... same? |
| 16:56.01 | citral | !praise mudule-assistant |
| 16:56.04 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: I meant in miles. |
| 16:56.14 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: * 0.62 |
| 16:56.16 | ricky_clarkson | 14 miles? That's 2 and a bit hours of walking fast. |
| 16:56.16 | jethro | miles is not a unit civilized people use |
| 16:56.22 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 16:56.24 | jethro | :) |
| 16:56.26 | greycat|home | dpkg: convert 20 km to miles |
| 16:56.34 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: The UK uses miles. |
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| 16:56.44 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: confirms what i just said! |
| 16:56.49 | jethro | you eat jelly there |
| 16:57.01 | jethro | what kind of civilized people would count in miles and eat jelly? |
| 16:57.05 | jethro | jk |
| 16:57.07 | ricky_clarkson | jethro: That's a strange measure of civilisation. |
| 16:57.26 | greycat|home | and they make the letter Z rhyme with "head"! |
| 16:57.31 | jethro | yea that too |
| 16:57.31 | greycat|home | that's daft, I tell you! |
| 16:57.33 | jetscreamer | zee |
| 16:57.35 | jethro | blame UKers |
| 16:57.38 | ricky_clarkson | Next you'll be telling me that cities which take 3 hours 50 minutes to cross are civilised. |
| 16:57.43 | jethro | lol |
| 16:57.50 | jethro | you get a point : |
| 16:57.51 | citral | they drive on the left side! |
| 16:57.51 | jethro | :) |
| 16:57.53 | jetscreamer | no city takes that long unless you suck |
| 16:57.54 | pwned | can I at least have something to read about fixing an ethernet connection through DHCP LAN gateway? |
| 16:58.05 | greycat|home | pwned: huh? |
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| 16:58.05 | jethro | jetscreamer: you must see what's a french strike |
| 16:58.09 | ricky_clarkson | jetscreamer: I bet Mexico City could. |
| 16:58.19 | pwned | I am a simple box on a lan. My dhcp stopped working and I want to read about it |
| 16:58.29 | greycat|home | pwned: ask the network admin to fix it. |
| 16:58.32 | jethro | its like fuck everyone, I don't work today, so nobody's gonna work (in the mind of the one striking) |
| 16:58.37 | pwned | greycat|home: no such option. |
| 16:58.39 | jetscreamer | well i can drive to mexico city :) maybe i'll test it one day |
| 16:58.43 | greycat|home | pwned: then you lose. |
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| 16:58.50 | jetscreamer | pwned, tldp.org |
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| 16:59.38 | pwned | I don't lose god damn you |
| 16:59.45 | greycat|home | !lose pwned |
| 16:59.46 | dpkg | pwned: You Lose. |
| 16:59.52 | jethro | pwned: if you're pwned, you already lost |
| 16:59.59 | greycat|home | pwned: either the network admin fixes it, or you have no network. Period. |
| 17:00.01 | pwned | I am temporarily pwned |
| 17:00.03 | jetscreamer | !win jethro :) |
| 17:00.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, jethro :)! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to Fire Island|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)! |
| 17:00.08 | greycat|home | if YOU are the network admin, then YOU must fix it. |
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| 17:00.23 | pwned | greycat|home: I have network. But only from this livecd. That's one hint for me |
| 17:00.25 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 17:00.30 | jetscreamer | !win jethro |
| 17:00.30 | greycat|home | who broke dpkg this time? |
| 17:00.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, jethro! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 17:00.32 | asg | who buggered the factoid |
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| 17:00.39 | jethro | enough! |
| 17:00.40 | jetscreamer | !win jethro ) |
| 17:00.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, jethro )! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to Cuba|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)! |
| 17:00.46 | jetscreamer | it's the ) |
| 17:00.48 | jethro | oh yea |
| 17:00.50 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 17:00.53 | jethro | you triggered a bug :) |
| 17:00.54 | greycat|home | oh. |
| 17:01.11 | jetscreamer | i didn't know it'd do that |
| 17:01.16 | ricky_clarkson | Should do the () before the $1 |
| 17:01.26 | jethro | is win builtin or a cmd: ? |
| 17:01.32 | greycat|home | jethro: CMD: |
| 17:01.33 | jetscreamer | cmd |
| 17:01.35 | ricky_clarkson | !literal cmd: win (.*?) |
| 17:01.35 | dpkg | CMD: win (.*?) is ($1): <reply> Congratulations, $1! You have won (second prize in a beauty contest|a one way ticket to (Baghdad|Cleveland|Nova Scotia|Christmas Island|Cuba|Rio de Janeiro|Fire Island|Soviet Russia)|the US presidency|a lifetime supply of spam|the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120)! |
| 17:02.17 | jethro | my bad, was obvious from dpkg's earlier bugged answer |
| 17:02.20 | jetscreamer | messy nesty |
| 17:02.26 | citral | does one say "If I were rich" or "If I was rich" I would buy a luxurious villa? |
| 17:02.33 | jethro | if I were |
| 17:02.34 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: that's nothing.... look at CMD: fuck (.*?) |
| 17:02.35 | asg | citral: the former |
| 17:02.36 | jetscreamer | either |
| 17:02.44 | jetscreamer | in day to day usage |
| 17:02.47 | jethro | if I were is what I ve been tought in school |
| 17:02.53 | greycat|home | citral: "If I were" is correct. |
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| 17:03.05 | jetscreamer | correct though yeah take their word |
| 17:03.06 | jethro | if I was is like "thi is better then" |
| 17:03.07 | bl4ckh4t | Somebody know how i create a video file from a series of .xwd files? |
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| 17:03.09 | TummyAcid | "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" any suggestions? |
| 17:03.11 | jethro | daily chat |
| 17:03.22 | citral | that was what I thought, thanks. The school way is usually fine. |
| 17:03.27 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: did you chroot into your mounted file system? |
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| 17:03.32 | TummyAcid | yes |
| 17:03.49 | TummyAcid | i chrooted to root but /boot is on a different partition |
| 17:03.54 | greycat|home | ugh. |
| 17:03.58 | greycat|home | mount that first, then.... |
| 17:04.04 | jetscreamer | that's an ignorable error with lilo |
| 17:04.17 | jetscreamer | i know you said grub |
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| 17:04.37 | jetscreamer | s/error/warning/ |
| 17:04.39 | takatumi | grub is fantastic! |
| 17:04.44 | SkippedySkop | anyone here familiar with parted? |
| 17:04.55 | jethro | SkippedySkop: no |
| 17:05.00 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: exit (from the chroot); mount /dev/tabtabtabtabtabtabtab /target/boot; chroot /target; ... |
| 17:05.04 | BucWheat2 | would man XF86Config be the correct place to look for disabling keyboard/mouse (even the cursor) from being accessible and visible in X? |
| 17:05.06 | TummyAcid | chroot to part2 with tha is mounted as /boot or part6 mounted as / |
| 17:05.08 | TummyAcid | ? |
| 17:05.13 | jetscreamer | yeah i'm familiar enough with it's use to not use it |
| 17:05.15 | jethro | !tell SkippedySkop -about smart question |
| 17:05.25 | takatumi | what's the right format to add a qotd? |
| 17:05.39 | jetscreamer | see i knew you were doing something screwey |
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| 17:05.50 | jethro | takatumi: as per what I understood, you check which one is the latest and you create a qotdn+1 factoid |
| 17:05.51 | greycat|home | takatumi: /msg dpkg qotdx; dpkg, no, qotd<NNN> is blah blah; dpkg, qotxx =~ s/NNN // |
| 17:06.19 | jetscreamer | part6 is a damn extended partition |
| 17:06.26 | jetscreamer | i believe |
| 17:06.27 | greycat|home | takatumi: or if there are no more qotdx's, or if you don't think the particular qotdNNN needs replacing you could add on... |
| 17:06.33 | greycat|home | jetscreamer: doesn't matter. |
| 17:06.34 | TummyAcid | yes you are correct jetscreamer |
| 17:06.41 | SkippedySkop | ok, well basically i have several partitions, /var /usr / /home /tmp with a smart disk array, raid 1 hardware, the partitions are in structure /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 i need to repartition the /var partition to a larger size /home has the rest of the sizes i've read but i am still stuck |
| 17:06.58 | ricky_clarkson | takatumi: no, qotd59 is <whatever>; qotdx =~ s/59 // |
| 17:07.00 | jethro | SkippedySkop: did you man parted already? |
| 17:07.07 | SkippedySkop | yes |
| 17:07.08 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, and your new installation is on this extended partition? |
| 17:07.14 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 17:07.14 | dpkg | somebody said qotd36 was < pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 17:07.22 | greycat|home | !qotd59 |
| 17:07.22 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd59 is <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
| 17:07.35 | valdyn_ | TummyAcid: this error is a warning that can be ignored if you are in a chroot and _know_ that your future /boot including stage1 is correct. Grub doesnt use your mountpoints to look it up. |
| 17:07.35 | ricky_clarkson | I didn't add that to qotdx. |
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| 17:07.41 | jethro | will debian run on toasters like netbsd ? |
| 17:07.42 | TummyAcid | yes the install is on part6 |
| 17:07.44 | ricky_clarkson | I didn't even read that just now. HONEST! ;) |
| 17:07.47 | greycat|home | some of the qotdx's are poorly chosen. I always check. |
| 17:07.50 | TummyAcid | but /boot is on part2 |
| 17:07.54 | citral | qotd81 makes a very good candidate to be replaced |
| 17:07.56 | jetscreamer | TummyAcid, this is why root=/dev/hdb1 didn't work |
| 17:08.00 | SkippedySkop | and i read some other examples and documentation. the examples use parted /dev/hda but mine's a disk array, so i parted /dev/cciss/c0d0p5 which is the /var partition, i can't create a partition within that, as it's too small already |
| 17:08.04 | greycat|home | citral: it's in qotdx already |
| 17:08.08 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: How can you see 'literal qotd0' in full? |
| 17:08.11 | citral | alright |
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| 17:08.16 | greycat|home | !tell me about qotd0 |
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| 17:08.26 | greycat|home | !tell greycat|home about qotd0 |
| 17:08.31 | greycat|home | JESUS. |
| 17:08.37 | greycat|home | dondelelcaro!!!! fix it! |
| 17:08.59 | jetscreamer | i find extended partitions to be very annoying and a pain in the butt |
| 17:09.01 | greycat|home | oh wait. |
| 17:09.02 | ricky_clarkson | !ircspeak dondelelcaro please fix teh dpkg |
| 17:09.02 | dpkg | jejejeje dondelelcaro please fix teh dpkg rofl |
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| 17:09.10 | takatumi | dpkg: qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 17:09.10 | dpkg | ...but qotd113 is already something else... |
| 17:09.19 | takatumi | gah |
| 17:09.22 | Rydekull | http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ |
| 17:09.23 | jetscreamer | now do it again |
| 17:09.24 | ricky_clarkson | takatumi: no, qotd113 is.. |
| 17:09.25 | resiak | takatumi: Stick a "no" in there |
| 17:09.27 | greycat|home | !tell me about literal qotd0 |
| 17:09.27 | jetscreamer | and it will take it |
| 17:09.31 | greycat|home | there. that works. |
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| 17:09.40 | TummyAcid | ive mounted and chrooted my system |
| 17:09.47 | ricky_clarkson | !tell me about literal qotd0 |
| 17:09.48 | takatumi | dpkg: no, qotd113 is greycat|home | TummyAcid: TAB TAB TAB TAB TAB!!! Tab is your friend! Use the tab key! |
| 17:09.48 | dpkg | okay, takatumi |
| 17:10.00 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: That, like, sucks, dude. |
| 17:10.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:10.06 | greycat|home | and yes, dondelelcaro needs to FIX it so that "/msg dpkg foo" is once again fully equivalent to "!tell me about foo" |
| 17:10.27 | TummyAcid | should i grub-install /dev/hda |
| 17:10.28 | TummyAcid | ? |
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| 17:10.30 | greycat|home | what was 113 before? |
| 17:10.36 | ricky_clarkson | phicks teh bot |
| 17:10.40 | TummyAcid | i think it used to be on the MBR |
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| 17:10.57 | resiak | !qotd113 #del# |
| 17:11.00 | resiak | :( |
| 17:11.05 | jethro | dpkg is not a vanilla blootbot? |
| 17:11.15 | greycat|home | more of a rocky road |
| 17:11.16 | resiak | jethro: No, I think he's coffee cream. |
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| 17:11.22 | jetscreamer | yes TummyAcid sounds good to me |
| 17:11.25 | jethro | resiak: heh |
| 17:11.26 | resiak | greycat|home: Alliteration :) |
| 17:11.43 | ricky_clarkson | He's a cappucino with chocolate bits on top and a poisonous foam on top. |
| 17:11.48 | greycat|home | how the hell are you going to use /dev/hda in a devfs install prison? |
| 17:11.58 | jethro | stop making fun of me damn you |
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| 17:12.14 | resiak | Vanilla blootbot has some ... interesting bugs. This reminds me -- I need to file that divide by zero patch I made. |
| 17:12.31 | FieldySnuts | @lart TummyAcid |
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| 17:12.44 | TummyAcid | im chrooted though |
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| 17:13.01 | FieldySnuts | you could bind mount the real /dev/ to the chrooted /dev i suppose |
| 17:13.01 | Space_NL2 | oke .. thnx for anyone who helped me moving my linux to a different disk .. it is working perfectly now! |
| 17:13.21 | FieldySnuts | @win Space_NL |
| 17:13.21 | anayara23 | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 17:13.21 | TummyAcid | /dev/discs does not exist |
| 17:13.21 | ravenbird | Congratulations, Space_NL! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:13.22 | greycat|home | FieldySnuts: can you GET the real /dev in that scenario? |
| 17:13.32 | FieldySnuts | greycat|home: yep, done it many times |
| 17:13.35 | greycat|home | FieldySnuts: the one without devfs shit in it? the one with hda? |
| 17:13.44 | SkippedySkop | anyone got any ideas? |
| 17:13.48 | greycat|home | !any ideas |
| 17:13.48 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little WD-40, and a handful of rabid hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:13.53 | jethro | !anyone |
| 17:13.53 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 17:13.53 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 17:13.54 | Space_NL2 | anyone here who could tell me how to make a profit from the 10 extra keyboard the microsoft keyboard has :-) |
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| 17:14.05 | asg | Space_NL2: xbindkeys + xev |
| 17:14.06 | greycat|home | Space_NL2: sell them on ebay |
| 17:14.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 17:14.08 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 starving kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:14.24 | FieldySnuts | god. missed that one |
| 17:14.24 | jethro | Space_NL2: sell them on ebay |
| 17:14.29 | jethro | oh my |
| 17:14.32 | jetscreamer | i think he means keys |
| 17:14.34 | jethro | greycat|home was faster |
| 17:14.48 | greycat|home | and that's *with* an extra hop. |
| 17:14.49 | jethro | greycat|home: you seem to have a bad influence on me as well |
| 17:14.51 | Soqool | Hi All |
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| 17:15.00 | TummyAcid | i have to do /dev/hda because /dev/discs does not exist |
| 17:15.19 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: see why we hate devfs? :) |
| 17:15.19 | FieldySnuts | the solution is to bind mount /dev to the chrooted dev. |
| 17:15.31 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: does /dev/hda exist? if so, just use that. |
| 17:15.37 | TummyAcid | yes but then i get |
| 17:15.46 | TummyAcid | "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" |
| 17:15.49 | jethro | Space_NL2: you mean the one with only ctrl+alt+del ? |
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| 17:16.00 | greycat|home | does /boot/grub/stage1 exist? |
| 17:16.02 | TummyAcid | yes |
| 17:16.08 | Space_NL2 | naah .. sorry .. mean i have a keyboard with an extra 10 keys .. typo :-) |
| 17:16.13 | jethro | :) |
| 17:16.14 | greycat|home | is that the WHOLE error? it's not very useful. |
| 17:16.19 | TummyAcid | thats it |
| 17:16.21 | jm_ | maybe stage1 file is corrupted |
| 17:16.25 | greycat|home | ask #grub |
| 17:16.25 | Space_NL2 | the famous internet keys :-) |
| 17:16.26 | resiak | Space_NL2: hotkeys |
| 17:16.26 | TummyAcid | i know it is not usful |
| 17:16.35 | TummyAcid | the chan has been dead all morning |
| 17:16.41 | Space_NL2 | oke .. so i install hotkeys, and then ? |
| 17:16.45 | asg | TummyAcid: have you googled for the exact error? |
| 17:16.53 | jethro | Space_NL2: read its doc? |
| 17:16.55 | asg | Space_NL2: you configure it |
| 17:17.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Space_NL |
| 17:17.13 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Does piespy create an animation too? |
| 17:17.13 | FieldySnuts | I rule. |
| 17:17.14 | resiak | !win FieldySnuts |
| 17:17.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:17.21 | jethro | FieldySnuts: you must be cheating |
| 17:17.22 | Rydekull | ricky_clarkson: no, why? |
| 17:17.23 | TummyAcid | ive googled |
| 17:17.26 | FieldySnuts | :D |
| 17:17.31 | ricky_clarkson | Rydekull: Just wondered. |
| 17:17.33 | superSSS | I am looking for a program that would erase all inactive shells for last 3 months? |
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| 17:17.37 | Space_NL2 | jethro, read its doc.. wonder how i never think of that myself :-) |
| 17:17.45 | AciD | anybody encountered a problem under x (xorg) which doesn't recognise the shift keys ? with this config : http://rafb.net/paste/results/tEfxgG68.html |
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| 17:18.04 | jethro | Space_NL2: because you're still in the process of understanding what learning is :) |
| 17:18.05 | resiak | AciD: Xorg isn't in Debian. You're on your own. |
| 17:18.07 | greycat|home | AciD: unsupported here. ask #xorg |
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| 17:18.49 | asg | TummyAcid: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/02/msg00129.html |
| 17:18.50 | greycat|home | superSSS: reboot |
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| 17:19.05 | gilles | How to have the list of all the packages installed that contains the term "scim" ? |
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| 17:19.17 | greycat|home | gilles: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep scim |
| 17:19.21 | jethro | gilles: using dpkg and grep ? |
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| 17:21.44 | schurro | hi folks |
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| 17:22.09 | schurro | how do i umount /cdrom if it is ONLY used by famd? what am i doing wrong here? |
| 17:22.31 | asg | !kill famd |
| 17:22.32 | thomas_adam | schurro: Kill famd. |
| 17:22.45 | SkippedySkop | hmm ok i can't resize the home partition as it's in use, and obviously i can't unmount it as it's in use and busy, so how am i suppose to use parted? |
| 17:22.54 | SkippedySkop | erm umount it |
| 17:22.57 | asg | SkippedySkop: reboot into single user mode |
| 17:22.59 | TummyAcid | asg: that page says he used fdisk to fix his problem |
| 17:23.03 | schurro | o.k then should i always disable famd by default? |
| 17:23.11 | TummyAcid | right? |
| 17:23.13 | thomas_adam | SkippedySkop: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/ResizingPartitions |
| 17:23.18 | SkippedySkop | thanks |
| 17:23.19 | stew | SkippedySkop: you can use a livecd so /home isn't mounted |
| 17:23.22 | jethro | SkippedySkop: either single user mode, or use a livecd |
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| 17:23.53 | asg | TummyAcid: didn't know if there was info in there about what the cause was |
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| 17:24.20 | TummyAcid | oh |
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| 17:24.32 | TummyAcid | it seems like the issue im having |
| 17:24.37 | greycat|home | resiak: probably because it's associated with gnome. |
| 17:24.44 | schurro | DAMINT< now it is 'kdeinit' that is using /dev/cdrom, sheesh! |
| 17:24.47 | TummyAcid | but i dont know hwo to fix /boot/grub/stage1 with fdisk |
| 17:25.03 | resiak | greycat|home: Let's not get into this :) |
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| 17:25.23 | greycat|home | TummyAcid: tried "apt-get --reinstall install grub" yet? Of course, you'd have to mount everything and bring up the network... |
| 17:25.31 | SkippedySkop | hmm so basically i'd be best off using knoppix |
| 17:25.37 | TummyAcid | ill see what i can do |
| 17:25.56 | hojax | when i run alsaconf -p opl3sa2 it says that the device cannot be found |
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| 17:26.22 | BucWheat2 | k. gang. i've read XF86Config-4 manpage and used various options and now i can't boot into X. i'm trying to boot into x without keyboard/mouse |
| 17:26.34 | BucWheat2 | i've commented out the input devices section |
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| 17:26.44 | jm_ | TummyAcid: /boot/grub/stage1 file is only used when installing grub, you always have a fresh copy in /lib/grub/i386-pc or in /usr/share/grub/... with Woody |
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| 17:26.46 | schurro | ciao! |
| 17:26.48 | bl4ckh4t | Somebody know how i create a video file from a series of .xwd files? |
| 17:26.48 | BucWheat2 | and added Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" |
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| 17:27.06 | BucWheat2 | and it complains of no core pointer device specified |
| 17:27.19 | hojax | x/clear |
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| 17:27.26 | jethro | x/x |
| 17:27.34 | BucWheat2 | and unable to determine screen layout. this is odd because i didn't mess with the screen layout |
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| 17:27.47 | Soqool | hi i got problem with apt |
| 17:28.12 | Soqool | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:28.14 | resiak | BucWheat2: Well, try adding the appropriate directive to allow X to run without a pointer? |
| 17:28.21 | Soqool | i get smth like that |
| 17:28.29 | resiak | !vaguenesssmite Soqool |
| 17:28.41 | ricky_clarkson | Hahahaha. |
| 17:28.44 | resiak | Soqool: There will be an error message further up. |
| 17:28.53 | greycat|home | Ah.... Mozilla also has WebDAV capability. It's just not in Firefox. |
| 17:29.05 | BucWheat2 | resiak i put it in there |
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| 17:29.10 | resiak | BucWheat2: Oh. :) |
| 17:29.14 | greycat|home | And it's not very intuitive that "Save" doesn't do the obvious thing but "Publish" does. |
| 17:29.16 | BucWheat2 | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" |
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| 17:29.30 | greycat|home | They ought to label the save button "Save As..." because that's what it is. |
| 17:29.34 | opqdonut | could somebody telnet 217.64.180.12:12000 and type in a few lines? (testing firewall) |
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| 17:29.48 | greycat|home | opqdonut: s/:/ / |
| 17:29.59 | jethro | opqdonut: doesn't connect |
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| 17:30.19 | opqdonut | jethro: hmm. seems my isp doesn't like me :) |
| 17:30.30 | opqdonut | greycat|home: : is the standard idiom |
| 17:30.39 | opqdonut | jethro: thanks anyway |
| 17:30.47 | jethro | opqdonut: but not easy to cut&paste to run it in a term :) |
| 17:31.08 | jethro | opqdonut: you're welcome |
| 17:31.24 | takatumi | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299854/posts would this really make a difference? |
| 17:31.25 | opqdonut | laziness is the root of all good inventions :) |
| 17:31.54 | greycat|home | !laziness |
| 17:31.55 | dpkg | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 17:31.56 | TummyAcid | after apt-get --reinstall install grub i get the same error |
| 17:32.01 | opqdonut | takatumi: try. it might |
| 17:32.08 | citral | lspci -v reports that the cap of the buses is 66 MHz, so I can append="idebus=66" right? |
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| 17:32.15 | jethro | laziness is a godly gift |
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| 17:32.21 | takatumi | looks plausible eh? |
| 17:32.22 | opqdonut | i agree |
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| 17:32.44 | opqdonut | takatumi: it does. i remember that enabling parallel gets in apt-get speeded it up a lot |
| 17:32.53 | opqdonut | forgive my heretic reference :) |
| 17:33.13 | jm_ | citral: no, that's not the same thing |
| 17:33.23 | takatumi | opqdonut: how did you manage that? I was lead to believe that it's not possible. |
| 17:33.23 | jm_ | citral: in other words, keep it at default |
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| 17:33.56 | jm_ | default value that is |
| 17:33.56 | Space_NL2 | eyhiho .. hotkeys up and running .. does anyone have a site with options i can set ? like a key for next desktop maybe ? |
| 17:34.04 | opqdonut | takatumi: multiple mirrors :) |
| 17:34.13 | Space_NL2 | (or how to make alt-tab go to to next desktop ? |
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| 17:34.29 | greycat|home | that would be WM specific |
| 17:34.29 | takatumi | opqdonut: ah, I don't think that would be worth the effort. :) |
| 17:34.47 | Space_NL2 | WM is blackbox here .. |
| 17:34.56 | anhi | Space_NL2: join your WM's irc chan and ask there |
| 17:35.27 | opqdonut | Space_NL2: i know how to do it in fluxbox :)) |
| 17:35.43 | TummyAcid | jm_ your idea worked but i get the same error when i use that file in /lib/grub/i386-pc |
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| 17:36.12 | citral | jm_: ok |
| 17:36.16 | takatumi | TummyAcid: what are you trying to do with grub that seems so painful? |
| 17:36.27 | TummyAcid | grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 17:36.29 | jm_ | TummyAcid: I joined after you explained your problem, so I don't quite know the details - and btw, you should not use the file in /lib/grub/... - always copy it to /boot/grub |
| 17:36.32 | TummyAcid | so i can boot windows and linux |
| 17:36.34 | Space_NL2 | naah, not gonna switch WM again .. already switch about 1 time per day so far .. enough is enough :-) |
| 17:36.35 | cybertek | how do i use a false ident demon with dircproxy ? |
| 17:36.43 | greycat|home | lacking WebDAV "edit this page" is a major flaw in firefox. |
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| 17:36.55 | takatumi | TummyAcid: which drive is windows on? |
| 17:36.57 | resiak | greycat|home: Extensions! \o/ |
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| 17:37.25 | TummyAcid | first primary i belive |
| 17:37.46 | takatumi | infact none of the browsers out there are perfect. |
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| 17:38.14 | TummyAcid | i think i can fix it with fdisk |
| 17:38.29 | IRCMonkey__ | Hi |
| 17:38.31 | IRCMonkey__ | I'm using sarge. I have upgraded from kernel 2.4 to 2.6.8, but now I'm having problem with my cd. fatal ide-detect not found. suggestions? |
| 17:38.32 | TummyAcid | at least a thread with the same error said he did but doesnt say how |
| 17:38.44 | asg | !worked in 2.4 |
| 17:38.45 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 17:38.50 | jm_ | TummyAcid: there's no such error in GRUB |
| 17:38.50 | TummyAcid | windows is on hda4 |
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| 17:40.02 | grigora | i am running Postgres on a RAID5 (mdadm) partition and it is very slow, currently we are doing a major data load and I was wondering whether it;d be better to load everything on a standalone disk, then manually copy the PGDATA dirs to the RAID partition. |
| 17:40.09 | TummyAcid | grub-install says 'the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly' |
| 17:40.16 | greycat|home | resiak: name one. I can't see one. |
| 17:40.19 | valdyn_ | IRCMonkey__: modprobe ide-cd or similar |
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| 17:40.36 | takatumi | http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ interesting. |
| 17:40.38 | valdyn_ | IRCMonkey__: that "fatal" is not an error |
| 17:40.45 | resiak | greycat|home: I was just saying :) |
| 17:40.50 | jm_ | ahh that's the error as reported by the grub-install shell script |
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| 17:41.37 | TummyAcid | yes yes it is |
| 17:42.20 | jm_ | run it with sh -x and see what goes wrong |
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| 17:42.51 | jm_ | I suppose dump command fails with your current device.map file |
| 17:43.00 | valdyn_ | IRCMonkey__: dont message me, talk in here |
| 17:43.30 | TummyAcid | it says '+ grub-install /dev/hda' |
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| 17:43.41 | TummyAcid | then the same error on the next line |
| 17:43.43 | TummyAcid | then back to shell |
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| 17:44.01 | jm_ | what did you run? |
| 17:44.22 | greycat|home | he probably typed "sh -x" and then enter |
| 17:44.23 | TummyAcid | first sh -x |
| 17:44.27 | TummyAcid | then pressed enter |
| 17:44.31 | jm_ | :) |
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| 17:44.35 | greycat|home | instead of "sh -x /path/to/grub-install /dev/hda" |
| 17:45.14 | greycat|home | which by the way is /sbin/grub-install |
| 17:45.23 | jm_ | it will also create /tmp/grub-install.log.* files, check those too |
| 17:45.24 | takatumi | TummyAcid: is your boot on a separate partition? |
| 17:45.26 | TummyAcid | wow |
| 17:45.30 | TummyAcid | thats a coooool trick |
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| 17:45.56 | IRCMonkey__ | valdyn_:but I can't use the cd /dvd. I don't want to type modprobe ide-cd everytime I start debian |
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| 17:46.07 | greycat|home | IRCMonkey__: echo ide-cd >> /etc/modules |
| 17:46.10 | jm_ | IRCMonkey__: man modules |
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| 17:46.16 | TummyAcid | its all done and i am looking at some error handling code |
| 17:46.22 | jm_ | indeed you are |
| 17:46.33 | greycat|home | and lots of plus signs :) |
| 17:46.43 | IRCMonkey__ | ok thanks |
| 17:46.45 | TummyAcid | whole lotta plus signs |
| 17:46.50 | Althaser | how can i run the mounts less reboot ? plz |
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| 17:47.16 | asg | Althaser: can you rephrase that? |
| 17:47.21 | takatumi | Althaser: be more vague. |
| 17:47.22 | ricky_clarkson | Althaser: Is nonsense your native language? |
| 17:47.32 | greycat|home | Althaser: uh, is "mount -a" what you want? |
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| 17:48.13 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Althaser |
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| 17:48.34 | Althaser | sorry for my english :P |
| 17:48.43 | greycat|home | Grrrr. Still b0rked. |
| 17:48.48 | ricky_clarkson | !br |
| 17:48.48 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:48.51 | takatumi | !pt |
| 17:48.52 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:49.00 | ricky_clarkson | !eye takatumi |
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| 17:49.13 | greycat|home | he has but one? |
| 17:49.14 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: ^5 |
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| 17:49.33 | cybertek | anyone know how to use false ident demons ? |
| 17:49.38 | ricky_clarkson | I can't raise one eyebrow ;( |
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| 17:49.41 | greycat|home | apt-get install nullidentd |
| 17:50.04 | Althaser | asg takatumi ricky_clarkson greycat|home FieldySnuts ravenbird :D thanks |
| 17:50.52 | takatumi | Althaser: http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ you are famous now. |
| 17:50.53 | jm_ | hmm some linksys switches say cisco systems on them, some don't - which are newer? |
| 17:51.06 | asg | jm_: ones that say cisco |
| 17:51.25 | greycat|home | the one that's $50 at best buy and has 8 ports works very well. |
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| 17:51.41 | jm_ | greycat|home: grey or black/blue one? |
| 17:51.43 | greycat|home | I believe it says Cisco on it, but I'll forgive them because it works despite that. |
| 17:51.45 | qwertz | Hi! Is there any possibility to return from an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to the pre update state? |
| 17:51.48 | TummyAcid | what if i just installed lilo? |
| 17:51.54 | Althaser | takatumi :P |
| 17:52.05 | greycat|home | jm_: blue with black |
| 17:52.11 | soccos | anyone here using udftools? |
| 17:52.12 | TummyAcid | would grub turn on me and infect my computer with viruses and fry all my hardware? |
| 17:52.16 | jm_ | asg: thanks, I was wondering because the note on the web page says they have been acquired in march 2003 |
| 17:52.28 | jm_ | greycat|home: ahh those don't have a Cisco tag on them :) |
| 17:52.29 | TummyAcid | and prank call my mother |
| 17:52.31 | takatumi | qwertz: what's wrong? |
| 17:52.36 | asg | jm_: yeah, mine is pre-cisco |
| 17:52.47 | greycat|home | jm_: it does. It says "Cisco systems" on the front in white. |
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| 17:53.00 | jm_ | greycat|home: hmm I was looking at the pic on linksys web page and it doesn't |
| 17:53.19 | greycat|home | hmm... maybe it's *because* it says Cisco on it, that it's able to work around the horrendous stupidity of the Cisco switches on the other end of the wall jacks. |
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| 17:53.35 | asg | could be, could be |
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| 17:54.08 | greycat|home | then again, much of the stupidity must properly be blamed on the admins who set it up with hard-locked full duplex instead of auto-neg. |
| 17:54.43 | jm_ | hmm I'll check the pic again |
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| 17:55.04 | Taraxacum | hey |
| 17:55.52 | greycat|home | jm_: imagine http://reviews.cnet.com/Linksys_EtherFast_Workgroup_Switch/4505-6432_7-787162.html but with "Cisco systems" in white with a bridge-logo in the big blank space on the front. |
| 17:56.13 | greycat|home | jm_: and 8 ports instead of 5 |
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| 17:56.47 | jm_ | greycat|home: yes, I am looking at that on linksys page nowhttp://www.linksys.com/press/tiffimage/EZXS88W.tif |
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| 17:57.15 | cyklus | I running a server and looking at my inetd.conf I see ident running.. is this service needed or can i comment it out? |
| 17:57.30 | PerfDave | cyklus: Do you need an ident service? |
| 17:57.33 | greycat|home | who the hell puts a .tif file on a web site? |
| 17:57.43 | jm_ | cyklus: it's not strictly needed, but it may be required by some IRC servers |
| 17:57.43 | asg | greycat|home: marketing |
| 17:57.47 | jm_ | hehe, highly annoying indeed |
| 17:58.01 | greycat|home | 2520202/2520202 bytes! Sheesh! |
| 17:58.11 | jm_ | yeah 2.5M, and a shitty pic at that |
| 17:58.11 | greycat|home | imadev:~$ xv EZXS88W.tif |
| 17:58.11 | greycat|home | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 17:58.11 | asg | greycat|home: and probably thumbnailed to 100x100 |
| 17:58.30 | asg | eep |
| 17:58.40 | cyklus | PerfDave: not that I know of |
| 17:58.54 | cyklus | jm_: is that all its useful for, irc? |
| 17:58.57 | greycat|home | my tiff libs are probably broken on hp-ux. it's not like I ever tested them before. |
| 17:59.02 | jm_ | qiv displays it fine for me |
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| 17:59.10 | greycat|home | xv displays it find on debian, too, over ssh -X. |
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| 17:59.14 | greycat|home | s/find/fine/ |
| 17:59.35 | jm_ | cyklus: no, but it's one of the rare cases where it may be requried |
| 17:59.50 | cyklus | jm_: ic thanks |
| 18:00.03 | greycat|home | jm_: anyway, mine looks like that but with the white cisco logo added on. |
| 18:00.13 | qwertz | takatumi, nothing but if I do it and some of my programms I need for work wouldn't work I'd like to have a chance to go back to a safe place |
| 18:00.28 | jm_ | greycat|home: ahh OK, I'll go to the store and take a look, maybe images on the web are outdated, greatly appreciated |
| 18:01.08 | greycat|home | I don't know what the log means. I'd imagine it means "We have a business partership with Cisco now, and we get to use their logo on our product, and we pay them cash." |
| 18:01.11 | greycat|home | logo* |
| 18:01.38 | takatumi | qwertz: aptitude installs leave you logs, apt-get doesn't, probably a little bash magic and aptitude's logs may do the job. |
| 18:01.50 | Taraxacum | what program is recommended to install when burning dvdr and cd-r ? |
| 18:01.57 | jm_ | it means Cisco has acquired Linksys a few years ago, probably nothing else |
| 18:02.05 | greycat|home | Taraxacum: for the former, growisofs. for the latter, cdrecord. |
| 18:02.07 | jm_ | Taraxacum: I sue growisofs |
| 18:02.11 | jm_ | use |
| 18:02.22 | greycat|home | Taraxacum: or if you can stomach non-free software, cdrecord-ProDVD for both. |
| 18:02.46 | try_catch_this | inorder to get hardware acceleration in linux what do i need to do? |
| 18:02.48 | Taraxacum | any problems with them? |
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| 18:03.23 | asg | try_catch_this: throw the box out the window or install a binary proprietary driver for whatever video card you have. |
| 18:03.25 | takatumi | try_catch_this: depends on your card. |
| 18:03.43 | try_catch_this | gf4 mx |
| 18:03.55 | jm_ | install nvidia's driver : /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 18:05.14 | takatumi | even the nvidia one-liner factoid has lost it's tail. |
| 18:05.55 | abrotman | pseubodot: ping! |
| 18:05.57 | bl4ckh4t | Please somebody help me. I have a serie (aprox 1500) of xwd files that i need to pass to a any video format... somebody do it before? |
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| 18:06.43 | zinx | convert to ppm or yuv4mpeg |
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| 18:06.59 | zinx | then encode with an encoder that handles such a format :/ |
| 18:07.10 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: I have told you what to do about 9 hours ago |
| 18:07.27 | zinx | (nothing is going to support xwd) |
| 18:07.39 | takatumi | jm_: and the cycle goes on :) |
| 18:07.42 | travisat | what is xwd? |
| 18:07.55 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: or use this http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Making_Animations |
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| 18:07.58 | jm_ | travisat: man xwd |
| 18:08.10 | travisat | jm_: dammit I'm lazy |
| 18:08.13 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, yes man... but i can't resolve it |
| 18:08.37 | travisat | oh I use imagemagick for that |
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| 18:09.03 | jm_ | travisat: that's not available by default on say Solaris or HP-UX ;) |
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| 18:09.22 | travisat | jm_: good point |
| 18:09.32 | ricky_clarkson | resiak: /j #debian-offtopic |
| 18:09.35 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
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| 18:10.03 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: good job :) |
| 18:10.34 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: advertise it on ebay. |
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| 18:10.41 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: ok .. sounds good |
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| 18:10.42 | ZorroPlateado | policies with samba, with comman pdbedit -P and -C are operative or no??? |
| 18:10.43 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: try converting them to png and then use those |
| 18:10.51 | abrotman | ZorroPlateado: #samba |
| 18:10.53 | asg | ZorroPlateado: have you asked #samba? |
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| 18:11.09 | ZorroPlateado | i'll go #samba |
| 18:11.24 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, you know something that do it in one comand? |
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| 18:11.41 | ricky_clarkson | bl4ckh4t: A semicolon. |
| 18:11.42 | jm_ | bl4ckh4t: the features of your shell + imagemagick |
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| 18:11.52 | travisat | bl4ckh4t: a perl one liner + imagemagick |
| 18:11.53 | bl4ckh4t | jm_, look your private |
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| 18:12.17 | ricky_clarkson | all your private are belong to /msg |
| 18:12.21 | qwertz | takatumi, not the anwser I hoped for but thanks for your help! |
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| 18:12.48 | jm_ | I was trying to use perlmagick today and realized its documentation sucks, and it doesn't support all the features that command line tools do |
| 18:13.42 | airlynx | I am considering installing Linux on an older computer (first timer) and I'm not sure what I need to download. I was told that the computer probably doesn't have an I386, so I'm confused now. |
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| 18:14.00 | jm_ | airlynx: it's ok as long as it has x86 |
| 18:14.10 | stew | airlynx: do you know what cpu is in there? |
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| 18:14.42 | airlynx | jm, stew: it has a Celeron processor, I'm not sure what an x86 is |
| 18:15.33 | jm_ | airlynx: yes, use x86/i386 release |
| 18:15.33 | stew | airlynx: then either 386 or 686 will work |
| 18:15.33 | Taraxacum | is there a way to listen to wmf file in linux and/or real player internet radio? |
| 18:15.33 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: Afaik Linux only started at 286. |
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| 18:15.34 | stew | ricky_clarkson: 386 |
| 18:15.39 | ricky_clarkson | Taraxacum: wmf - mplayer, realplayer - realplayer |
| 18:15.46 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: 386, 286 came later with ELKS |
| 18:15.50 | airlynx | I noticed there was 7 CDs for Debian i386, but the computer only has a 6GB hard drive |
| 18:15.58 | travisat | one of these days I'm going to try to put linux on an old 8086 |
| 18:15.59 | Taraxacum | in linux of course |
| 18:16.01 | ricky_clarkson | !elks |
| 18:16.01 | dpkg | methinks elks is at http://elks.sourceforge.net |
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| 18:16.18 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 18:16.27 | jm_ | Taraxacum: mplayer |
| 18:16.33 | travisat | Taraxacum: vlc |
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| 18:16.54 | travisat | vlc > mplayer |
| 18:17.00 | TheBlueWizard | ricky_clarkson: 286 is too brain damaged for usable MMU-based OS...so Linux began its life on an 386 |
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| 18:17.20 | takatumi | airlynx: sarge has 14 CDs, but you could install as little as you want. (given a minimum for the base) |
| 18:17.28 | airlynx | By the way, you guys rock for answering my question straight, I was expecting to get laughed out of here for not knowing what x86 meant |
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| 18:18.16 | Taraxacum | is vlc and mplayer really for linux? |
| 18:18.19 | jm_ | hah I just realized I could use ELKS instead of 2.2 + initrd image for my needs |
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| 18:18.25 | ricky_clarkson | AAGH |
| 18:18.28 | travisat | Taraxacum: yesssss |
| 18:18.35 | ricky_clarkson | How do I remove a directory called ~ |
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| 18:18.41 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: rm |
| 18:18.45 | caphuso | err, rmdir |
| 18:18.46 | asg | rm -- ~ |
| 18:18.49 | ricky_clarkson | rm ~ seems dangerous |
| 18:18.49 | travisat | ricky_clarkson: su -c "rm -cfr / |
| 18:18.51 | caphuso | no, \~ |
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| 18:19.30 | jetx | yeah the -- does the trick i thnk |
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| 18:19.34 | caphuso | no! |
| 18:19.37 | takatumi | caphuso: no, for rm -- ~ as well? |
| 18:19.37 | chealer | what's rm -c ? |
| 18:19.37 | jetx | man it |
| 18:19.47 | caphuso | takatumi: yes |
| 18:20.00 | takatumi | noted. |
| 18:20.10 | jetx | use mc to del it |
| 18:20.13 | ricky_clarkson | Done. |
| 18:20.16 | travisat | chealer: keytypo |
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| 18:20.34 | caphuso | the -- means "all arguments after are not to be considered options" |
| 18:20.44 | usn | hi all |
| 18:20.47 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: Wouldn't ~ still be expanded? |
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| 18:20.55 | travisat | chealer: meant v so you could see the doom |
| 18:20.56 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: yes, of course |
| 18:20.59 | asg | caphuso: yeah, my brain crap there |
| 18:21.08 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: because the shell's doing it |
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| 18:21.30 | chealer | what's a binary upload (example gaim 1.1.4-1.0.1) is it built from the same source in a different build environment? |
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| 18:23.39 | wayne | is sarge advanced enough to be use as a end user desktop |
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| 18:23.52 | stew | wayne: yes |
| 18:23.53 | travisat | wayne: yes very much so |
| 18:23.53 | takatumi | wayne: yes. |
| 18:24.09 | wayne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.27 | wayne | be back whenthe job done |
| 18:24.28 | takatumi | wayne: from which iso? |
| 18:24.48 | wayne | ordered a set off the internet |
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| 18:25.04 | takatumi | wayne: why? dial-up? |
| 18:25.20 | jetx | hey when you're compiling a kernel, what do the CC & LD's mean |
| 18:25.39 | greycat|home | jetx: /msg dpkg make tutorial |
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| 18:25.42 | jetx | when it's doing the modules |
| 18:26.02 | jetx | how do you go to a /msg screen in irssi |
| 18:26.15 | travisat | jetx: alt+# |
| 18:26.20 | jetx | thx |
| 18:26.23 | PerfDave | jetx: Just type "/msg dpkg make tutorial" in your client, it will open a new window for you. |
| 18:26.31 | nvz_ | zbychuk: stop that, turn it off now |
| 18:26.39 | jetx | PerfDave: if it hadn't i wouldn't have asked |
| 18:26.46 | nvz_ | !ops zbychuk is spamming with away messages |
| 18:26.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: zbychuk is spamming with away messages |
| 18:26.53 | greycat|home | how the HELL did they break the firewall here so badly? |
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| 18:27.12 | greycat|home | oh wait.... I can't become an op because I'm not greycat. |
| 18:27.18 | ricky_clarkson | hehe. |
| 18:27.25 | mentor | zbychuk: Please turn your away message off in here. |
| 18:27.27 | ricky_clarkson | I have that problem too. |
| 18:27.36 | nvz_ | greycat|home: you imposter! |
| 18:27.57 | noddaba | Is there a way to pass a password into ssh, without using key files? something like: echo "pass" > ssh host.com |
| 18:28.00 | jm_ | DS10? we have a few of those |
| 18:28.05 | greycat|home | noddaba: no. |
| 18:28.13 | jm_ | noddaba: yes, with expect |
| 18:28.17 | greycat|home | DS21 is a car, though. |
| 18:28.18 | travisat | noddaba: why |
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| 18:28.33 | greycat|home | jm_: he can't even handle a *pipe* yet, and you think he's going to manage expect? |
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| 18:28.41 | greycat|home | noddaba: use ssh-keygen |
| 18:28.46 | noddaba | oops, I meant | |
| 18:28.55 | jm_ | greycat|home: heck, even I disliked it so I wrote my own tool |
| 18:29.02 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!~zbychuk@83.238.89.46] by mentor |
| 18:29.07 | airlynx | spam spam spam spam spam |
| 18:29.09 | noddaba | jm_, expect? |
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| 18:29.22 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: He's already banned. |
| 18:29.27 | greycat|home | expect is the wrong answer to a great many questions. |
| 18:29.33 | jm_ | noddaba: apt-cache show expect, but don't expect this to be simple |
| 18:29.38 | jetscreamer | should he have been banned or +q'd |
| 18:29.38 | noddaba | lol |
| 18:29.44 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: I read that as apt-cache show respect |
| 18:29.46 | greycat|home | but some people don't like the right answers, so expect keeps getting used |
| 18:29.48 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: haha |
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| 18:30.05 | abrotman | op violence! |
| 18:30.10 | abrotman | jello wrestling! |
| 18:30.16 | jm_ | yes, it's pretty much pointless to use it with ssh |
| 18:30.17 | *** mode/#Debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:30.18 | FieldySnuts | come and see the violence in the system! |
| 18:30.19 | airlynx | zpam |
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| 18:30.21 | FieldySnuts | help help, i'm bein repressed! |
| 18:30.26 | abrotman | heh |
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| 18:30.38 | speedy | whats the package of c language man pages ? |
| 18:30.39 | mentor | abrotman: All proceeds to SPI! |
| 18:30.43 | greycat|home | speedy: manpages-dev |
| 18:30.53 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: i can comprise that you haven't seen repression yet >:-) |
| 18:30.59 | noddaba | greycat, here's the situation. trying to automate scp'ing files to a server. Since the user will be specifying the server, I won't be able to send over the public key before hand |
| 18:31.02 | FieldySnuts | oh actually it was "come and see the violence inherent in th esystem!" |
| 18:31.08 | FieldySnuts | (monty python - holy grail) |
| 18:31.10 | ricky_clarkson | /nick WinXP; /say Help, I'm retarted! /quit FUCKERS |
| 18:31.17 | speedy | greycat|home: thank you |
| 18:31.20 | greycat|home | noddaba: sure you can. make the user pick from a list. |
| 18:31.20 | FieldySnuts | as the king is beating up a peasant :P |
| 18:31.33 | FieldySnuts | "bloody peasant!" "OH did you hear that, that's what I been goin on about" |
| 18:31.34 | noddaba | greycat|home, a list of servers? |
| 18:31.41 | airlynx | okay, off to download debian |
| 18:31.42 | greycat|home | noddaba: yeah, the ones which have keys. |
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| 18:31.45 | airlynx | thanks guys |
| 18:31.52 | ricky_clarkson | noddaba: scp is already automated. Why do you need to automate it? |
| 18:32.26 | noddaba | greycat|home, not feasible. the app i have creates a backup of their data. they want to be able to scp it somewhere else, other than the local drive. s imilar to the way webmin or cPanel does it |
| 18:32.58 | noddaba | i provide ftp as an option, which obviously is trivial, but a secure method will also be needed |
| 18:33.02 | nvz_ | noddaba: i.e. from one remote location to another? |
| 18:33.11 | noddaba | nyz_ yeah |
| 18:33.34 | greycat|home | noddaba: so... what stops you from just doing "scp blah blah" and letting the user answer the password prompt? |
| 18:33.41 | nvz_ | noddaba: have you ever read the manpage? |
| 18:33.45 | *** mode/#Debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:33.47 | *** mode/#Debian [-b zbychuk!*@*] by mentor |
| 18:33.48 | noddaba | greycat|home, it's a webbased app |
| 18:33.50 | *** mode/#Debian [-q zbychuk!*@*] by mentor |
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| 18:33.56 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: Took you long enough. |
| 18:33.57 | greycat|home | !kill noddaba |
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| 18:34.05 | noddaba | nvz_, yes, i've read many man pages |
| 18:34.12 | EdibleText | heavy whip |
| 18:34.17 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: To do what? |
| 18:34.22 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: unban |
| 18:34.28 | nvz_ | noddaba: you need not read many, just the one for scp, and look at the synopsis |
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| 18:34.44 | greycat|home | nvz_: "web based". that says it all. |
| 18:34.58 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: I removed my ban a page or so up...I've just finished talking to zbychuk, and now the problem is resolved. |
| 18:35.04 | noddaba | nvz_, the synopsis says nothing about providing the password |
| 18:35.12 | greycat|home | I think he just wants to steal people's passwords. |
| 18:35.34 | ricky_clarkson | mentor: Ah, right, just surprised LoRez' ban wasn't removed straight away. |
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| 18:36.29 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: Different host masks... |
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| 18:36.32 | nvz | noddaba: if you need to do this and cannot supply two passwords for whatever stupid reason, you should be using keys and not passwords anyhow |
| 18:36.41 | pureone | anyone know how i can check what version of ndiswrapper im using? |
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| 18:37.01 | greycat|home | any user who gives their ssh password to a web site so the web site can copy a file *for* them deserves to be hax0red anyway. |
| 18:37.08 | LoRez | ricky_clarkson: I was going to wait for him to plead for mercy |
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| 18:37.14 | nvz | amen |
| 18:37.28 | noddaba | greycat|home, preaching to the choir. but the users still want it :-/ |
| 18:37.34 | ricky_clarkson | LoRez: Try manning the phones at the Samaritans ;) |
| 18:38.24 | nvz | greycat's church of common sense and liberal views... Praise the lord greycat |
| 18:38.33 | greycat|home | not all liberal. |
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| 18:39.13 | aidehua | Hi. My pyrex saucepan lid isn't in my kitchen. It isn't in my flat. I haven't removed it. Who has, and how am I going to make my soup (I'm running sarge / x86, if that helps)? |
| 18:39.49 | greycat|home | aidehua: I saw someone running into #gentoo with a lid not too long ago. |
| 18:39.50 | EdibleText | aidehua, is it canned soup? |
| 18:39.50 | stew | aidehua: there is no need to cover soup |
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| 18:39.55 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Put a cross in the boxes: Abortion Legal yes[] no[], Creationism in schools yes[] no[], Guns in houses yes[] no[] ;) |
| 18:40.13 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: yes, no, yes |
| 18:40.20 | aidehua | I'm trying to sweat down some onions and leeks. Maybe I don't need the lid, but the soup better not go wrong! |
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| 18:40.37 | ricky_clarkson | So libertarian rather than liberal, I'd say ;) |
| 18:40.43 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: yes |
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| 18:41.05 | PerfDave | aidehua: You could always just put a plate across the top of the saucepan, this is how I cover my wok when it needs covering. |
| 18:41.50 | doub_ | PerfDave: i've been told the plate has a security hole, however |
| 18:41.56 | doub_ | PerfDave: better patch it asap |
| 18:42.11 | aidehua | Security hole> plates do get cracked easily. |
| 18:42.18 | greycat|home | hheh |
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| 18:43.06 | BenB | anybody knows a reason why du -shcx / and df -h / would differ (if not a cracker)? |
| 18:43.16 | greycat|home | BenB: overhead |
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| 18:43.42 | BenB | greycat|home: I thought du calculates in filesystem overhead. on my home machine, they match. |
| 18:43.58 | greycat|home | maybe you rm'ed a file that's open |
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| 18:44.15 | BenB | greycat|home: hm, that's an idea... |
| 18:44.18 | greycat|home | maybe you're running udev and it overmounted /dev with fog |
| 18:44.36 | greycat|home | hrm, no, it would still show up in /.dev woudln't it. |
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| 18:46.34 | BenB | hm, no help |
| 18:46.53 | greycat|home | BenB: restart sysklogd... |
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| 18:47.01 | greycat|home | (or at least /usr/sbin/syslogd) |
| 18:47.12 | BenB | greycat|home: did so, didn't help |
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| 18:47.45 | ricky_clarkson | du doesn't include filesystem overhead, afaik, it just tells you the sizes of files, not their filesystem entries. |
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| 18:48.51 | bl4ckh4t | Ok... i've 1700 files .xwd that i need convert to .png with the imagemagick's command (convert) (i.e. #convert frm-0001.xwd frm-0001.png) if my files are between frm-0001.xwd and frm-1700.png how can do ot with perl :D or shell script? |
| 18:49.10 | cahoot | bl4ckh4t: use mogrify |
| 18:49.16 | asg | bl4ckh4t: for i in $(seq 1 1700) ; do stuff with $i ; done |
| 18:49.17 | BenB | on my home machine, they match with 3% difference. on the server in question, I have a 1 gig /, with 500 MB used per du, but only only 176 MB free per df |
| 18:49.20 | ricky_clarkson | asg: No. |
| 18:49.22 | greycat|home | bl4ckh4t: #bash |
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| 18:49.29 | greycat|home | asg: seq -w |
| 18:49.39 | greycat|home | (or printf) |
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| 18:49.49 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: EXCELLENT (-w) |
| 18:49.51 | asg | greycat|home: damn keyboard |
| 18:49.54 | aidehua | The plate is effective. The leeks and onions are turning into a buttery goo. |
| 18:50.02 | bl4ckh4t | asg ? |
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| 18:50.50 | deadrabbit | yum |
| 18:50.52 | ricky_clarkson | bl4ckh4t: for i in `seq -w 1 1700`; do convert $i.xwd $i.png; done |
| 18:51.09 | ricky_clarkson | Hang on, revising. |
| 18:51.10 | greycat|home | you forgot frm- |
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| 18:51.15 | ricky_clarkson | bl4ckh4t: for i in `seq -w 1 1700`; do convert frm-$i.xwd frm-$i.png; done |
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| 18:51.30 | kaiowa | hi, when i access by ssh i cant startx with startx command, any help??? |
| 18:51.39 | greycat|home | kaiowa: duh. |
| 18:51.44 | rikva | kaiowa: you cant start X over ssh |
| 18:51.56 | greycat|home | you'd be starting X on the remote box, not the local display. |
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| 18:51.59 | rikva | secure _Shell_ |
| 18:51.59 | ricky_clarkson | rikva: Probably, but why not? |
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| 18:52.08 | bl4ckh4t | ricky_clarkson, thnxs man ;) |
| 18:52.10 | ricky_clarkson | kaiowa: What happens when you try? |
| 18:52.16 | bl4ckh4t | thnxs to all ;) |
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| 18:52.27 | stew | i start x via ssh all the time |
| 18:52.29 | kaiowa | not export display or similar error |
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| 18:52.36 | greycat|home | ricky_clarkson: doesn't he realize that all you did was paste together asg's and my comments? |
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| 18:52.52 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: Actually I gave him asg's answer a few hours ago. |
| 18:52.56 | gamma | anyone here using waimea-cvs? |
| 18:53.04 | greycat|home | !anyone use |
| 18:53.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:53.18 | ricky_clarkson | kaiowa: What really happens? |
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| 18:53.35 | gamma | D: |
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| 18:53.38 | gamma | lol |
| 18:53.58 | ricky_clarkson | !anyone use waimea-cvs? |
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| 18:54.14 | leOn | hello |
| 18:54.22 | gamma | what's up with the bot? 0.o |
| 18:54.26 | ricky_clarkson | !anyone use $1 is <reply>No, no one uses $1, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:54.26 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
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| 18:54.30 | greycat|home | !anyone use |
| 18:54.31 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:54.31 | gamma | well i need someone to explain argb visuals |
| 18:54.35 | greycat|home | !anyone use foo |
| 18:54.36 | ricky_clarkson | !anyone use gamma's brain? |
| 18:54.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses foo, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:54.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses gamma's brain, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:54.43 | greycat|home | ok, tolerable. |
| 18:54.52 | aidehua | !anyone use !anyone use |
| 18:54.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses !anyone use, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:55.07 | ricky_clarkson | aidehua: Do you mind? I have hot tea in my mouth. |
| 18:55.18 | greycat|home | not any more. |
| 18:55.19 | leOn | i've built 2.6.11 with make-kpkg on a woody system ... made the initrd, but i can't seem to boot it ... gives mount: /dev2/root is not a valid block device ... what am i missing ? |
| 18:55.31 | greycat|home | /dev2?? |
| 18:55.33 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: Now my officemate has it in his mouth. |
| 18:55.38 | leOn | yep .. |
| 18:55.42 | leOn | =/ |
| 18:55.48 | greycat|home | well stop trying to mount /dev2/root |
| 18:55.55 | greycat|home | and read /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 while you wait. |
| 18:56.07 | drini | 3similar peoblem here, le0n, it tells me that I need to pass a correct "root=" argument |
| 18:56.12 | stew | leOn: are you using debian kernel-sources? |
| 18:56.17 | drini | but I did! root=/dev/hda5 |
| 18:56.25 | leOn | i have those new packages ... module-init-tools, etc |
| 18:56.29 | greycat|home | drini: initrd is evil. |
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| 18:56.34 | ricky_clarkson | !when I do this it hurts |
| 18:56.34 | dpkg | Well don't do that then! |
| 18:56.39 | leOn | stew: nop .. vanilla kernel |
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| 18:56.52 | drini | I'm migrating from gentoo, and then discovered I cannto set dma to true with hdparm |
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| 18:57.00 | drini | so I went recmpile kernel, and I can't get it to boot |
| 18:57.01 | greycat|home | jesus. |
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| 18:57.03 | drini | *sigh* |
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| 18:57.18 | jm_ | drini: read the FAQ (the part about kernel) |
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| 18:57.25 | drini | the one on the wiki at topic? |
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| 18:57.27 | stew | leOn: why are you using initrd? |
| 18:57.32 | jm_ | drini: spot on |
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| 18:57.38 | stew | leOn: did you build it with make-kpkg? |
| 18:57.48 | greycat|home | leOn says he did. drini didn't say. |
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| 18:58.13 | brosio | help with iptables to do the forward of sshd to on of my pc in lan "iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 22 -i 192.168.1.3 -j ACCEPT" is correct ? |
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| 18:58.40 | leOn | i built the whole thing with make-kpkg |
| 18:58.44 | maketo | hi, can anyone recommend any reliable server scsi drive brand (ultra320, 10 or 15k)? |
| 18:58.55 | jm_ | brosio: you need to make sure your INPUT chain allows it too |
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| 18:59.05 | leOn | updated module-init-tools and initrd-tools |
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| 18:59.29 | stew | leOn: i dont' think you can use make-kpkg with --initrd using a vanilla kernel |
| 18:59.38 | brosio | jm_, but the rules of redirect is correct ? |
| 18:59.39 | stew | leOn: why bother with initrd at all? |
| 18:59.41 | jm_ | brosio: read this -- http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
| 18:59.45 | leOn | stew: i have earlier |
| 18:59.59 | jm_ | brosio: not quite correct |
| 19:00.01 | leOn | i have several woody machines running 2.6.10 |
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| 19:00.26 | jm_ | brosio: in particular, read about DNAT target |
| 19:00.33 | greycat|home | I just do NOT understand this. At all. |
| 19:00.52 | asg | greycat|home: it is peculiar |
| 19:00.54 | leOn | stew: i bother with initrd because that's the debian way of doing it ... the only kernels from debian i've seen not using initrd are 2.4.18-bf24 |
| 19:00.55 | drini | I read the kernelpage of the faq, not very enlightening, only tells me to use make-kpkg (which fux0rs my grub config) |
| 19:01.02 | brosio | k thx |
| 19:01.02 | drini | but I got to run to class, it's late already |
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| 19:01.12 | stew | leOn: are you patching the kernels from cramfs patch or are you specifying a different fs for initrd? |
| 19:01.15 | greycat|home | It's like it works for 1-2 seconds after the connection (I get the motd, I join all the channels, get the user lists), then.... NOTHING. |
| 19:01.19 | jm_ | drini: no, it tells you to use kernel-image-foo |
| 19:01.30 | drini | but I want to sue a custom kernel |
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| 19:01.37 | jm_ | drini: then build it correctly |
| 19:01.50 | greycat|home | 14:00 Mode change +i for user greycat |
| 19:01.50 | greycat|home | 14:00 ->[nickserv] msghelp |
| 19:01.50 | greycat|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.53 | drini | hehehehhaha of ocurse I did |
| 19:01.59 | jm_ | obviously not |
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| 19:02.16 | leOn | and besides that, i believe it's the right way of doing things ... only load what is needed instead of building everything into the kernel |
| 19:02.27 | m0rbid | anyone know of better support for the Diamond Stealth III Card? it shows up as a S3 Savage 4 card, which if I am not mistaken is a 4mb card. This one is 32mb. |
| 19:02.31 | drini | I did gentoo for years, certainly I've hand-built kernels y the dozen |
| 19:02.34 | drini | anyway, late for lcass, bye |
| 19:02.37 | takatumi | leOn: absofuckinglutely. |
| 19:02.38 | greycat|home | leOn: that's a great theory, until you need to pull out the NIC and put in an rtl8139 in a hurry. |
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| 19:02.42 | jm_ | leonel: you don't have to build everything statically, only the parts needed to mount root fs |
| 19:02.53 | greycat|home | leOn: or move the hard drive to a pentium I box |
| 19:03.06 | leOn | stew: plain vanilla sources built with make-kpkg ... that's all (i have a newer module-init-tools and initrd-tools as it's needed) |
| 19:03.25 | greycat|home | leOn: if you're customizing the config WHY THE HELL are you using initrd? |
| 19:03.34 | greycat|home | that's the very FIRST thing I'd change from Debian's configs! |
| 19:03.35 | stew | leOn: then you cannot use make-kpkg --initrd unless you specify another fs for initrd |
| 19:03.36 | takatumi | leOn: if you're compiling get rid of the initrd |
| 19:03.47 | jm_ | m0rbid: XFree86 3.3.6 had good support for S3 cards, not sure about 4.x |
| 19:03.51 | Pumpkin_Pie | is anyone doing smtp-auth with exim ? |
| 19:03.56 | stew | leOn: because vanilla kernel sources don't have the cramfs patch |
| 19:03.56 | greycat|home | Pumpkin_Pie: #exim |
| 19:04.08 | leOn | greycat|home: i have a rather controlled hardware environment here, so in my it doesn't really apply |
| 19:04.27 | tarheelcoxn | hey... anybody have experience using wmctrl with metacity or some other gnome-friendly wm? |
| 19:04.27 | takatumi | stew: the 2.6s have cramfs built in. |
| 19:04.27 | greycat|home | !flw |
| 19:04.27 | dpkg | i heard flw6 is <coredmp> umm...latest is always bettter when it comes to functionality |
| 19:04.34 | stew | takatumi: are you sure? |
| 19:04.46 | m0rbid | jm_: thats the problem, its not sn S3 card. |
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| 19:04.52 | takatumi | stew: it's there in all the ones I've seen from 2.6.7 |
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| 19:05.02 | leOn | stew: i do make-kpkg and after installing the kernel, i issue mkinitrd |
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| 19:05.12 | m0rbid | jm_: it keep wanting to use the vga driver, which doesnt allow me framebuffer support. |
| 19:05.18 | greycat|home | leOn: if you MUST use initrd, you should be using make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 19:05.41 | takatumi | stew: CONFIG_CRAMFS |
| 19:05.55 | jm_ | m0rbid: I've had S3 Savage Extreme card with 32MB from Diamond |
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| 19:05.59 | greycat|home | Oops. I forgot to /quit. |
| 19:06.10 | m0rbid | jm_: and you got framebuffer to work? |
| 19:06.37 | leOn | bazar:/etc# grep -i CRAMFS /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 19:06.37 | leOn | CONFIG_CRAMFS=y |
| 19:06.48 | leOn | that's in a 2.6.10 |
| 19:06.50 | jm_ | m0rbid: no, I never used framebuffer, I used stm back then when I didn't use X |
| 19:07.13 | m0rbid | ok why dont I start with: How do I start to get frambuffer to work? From a pkg? |
| 19:07.20 | ricky_clarkson | !framebuffer |
| 19:07.21 | dpkg | [framebuffer] a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 19:07.28 | ricky_clarkson | !fbcon |
| 19:07.28 | dpkg | somebody said fbcon was a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... |
| 19:07.34 | jm_ | m0rbid: you need kernel support for that |
| 19:07.50 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: To fiddle with kernel configs do you use make-kpkg? |
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| 19:08.01 | m0rbid | jm_: arent the debian images allready with framebuffer support? or use modconf? |
| 19:08.20 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: nope, I don't use make-kpkg, I do it the old way |
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| 19:08.38 | ricky_clarkson | jm_: s/do/does/ s/you/one/ - in general |
| 19:09.14 | jm_ | m0rbid: check the config file in /boot |
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| 19:10.11 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: the --config option is available, but make menuconfig and then kp mantra is what I do. |
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| 19:10.38 | m0rbid | vesafb, isnt that framebuffer support? |
| 19:10.44 | ricky_clarkson | takatumi: So what does make-kpkg --config do? |
| 19:10.46 | r3m | hi, what is the programme to make a whois request, dig, host? |
| 19:10.55 | j_k | r3m: whois :-) |
| 19:10.56 | Delph | whois? |
| 19:10.58 | Delph | =:) |
| 19:10.59 | r3m | thanks |
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| 19:11.00 | r3m | :P |
| 19:11.00 | greycat|home | Setting up a "server" on wooledge.org:7000 with tcpserver 0 7000 bash -c 'while true; do echo $RANDOM; done' and then connecting to it from here at work, works as expected. I get a random number every second until I kill the telnet. |
| 19:11.09 | jm_ | ricky_clarkson: yes, make-kpkg allows you to configure it, but you can also do it first and then run make-kpkg |
| 19:11.11 | greycat|home | So it's not simply a filter on port 7000. |
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| 19:11.49 | ricky_clarkson | greycat|home: Maybe it's an application-level firewall (ph43r it). |
| 19:12.00 | greycat|home | Maybe some bright bulb in networking has set up a layer-7 transparent proxy |
| 19:12.20 | greycat|home | and then suddenly enabled it 4 hours ago |
| 19:12.24 | m0rbid | install of fbcon failed. =/ |
| 19:12.25 | jm_ | m0rbid: it is |
| 19:12.42 | mschiff | I am building a debian package. One binary in the package must be suid root. What is the best way to do that without disabling dh_fixperms? |
| 19:13.09 | greycat|home | I'd see how some other package does it... |
| 19:13.10 | m0rbid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:13.39 | greycat|home | maybe one of the pings. I think they have separate packages for that, and ping is setuid. |
| 19:13.42 | m0rbid | I cannot get X to work ( nor do I want to really ) cause I have no mouse atm |
| 19:13.58 | jm_ | m0rbid: but why do you want to use FB? |
| 19:14.18 | m0rbid | jm_: my last comment |
| 19:14.29 | greycat|home | m0rbid: which one? |
| 19:14.34 | mschiff | greycat|home: hm, yes thats an idea ;) i'll check that thx |
| 19:14.37 | jm_ | m0rbid: I read it, I still can't understand what advantages will you get from using FB |
| 19:14.47 | EdibleText | greycat|home, irc firewalled from work? |
| 19:14.48 | m0rbid | its a 233mhz with 64mb ram (dont laugh to much) |
| 19:14.56 | m0rbid | x runs too slow |
| 19:14.57 | greycat|home | EdibleText: looks that way. |
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| 19:15.07 | dondelelcaro | greycat|home: what exactly is the problem with the tell vs /msg? |
| 19:15.08 | greycat|home | EdibleText: they cut off 6667 completely a couple months back |
| 19:15.13 | jm_ | m0rbid: forget X, FB compared to text console |
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| 19:15.23 | greycat|home | dondelelcaro: the factoids get truncated with "..." in /msg but not in !tell |
| 19:15.32 | greycat|home | dondelelcaro: ideally, they'd never be truncated at all |
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| 19:15.39 | dondelelcaro | greycat|home: oh, yeah, the truncation problem. I'm aware of it, but haven't yet tracked it down. |
| 19:15.40 | m0rbid | jm_: image supprt? graphical ELinks? |
| 19:15.47 | EdibleText | greycat|home, ah i was going to say the obvious . im connected to orwell.he.fi/6667 |
| 19:16.01 | greycat|home | EdibleText: port 7000 worked well until about 4 hours ago |
| 19:16.09 | pavel-simerda | Hi people what is so wrong with XFree86 so that most distributions (not debian) are leaving it and switching to X.org |
| 19:16.12 | pavel-simerda | ? |
| 19:16.17 | greycat|home | pavel-simerda: the license |
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| 19:16.26 | ITAY | hi! |
| 19:16.28 | jm_ | m0rbid: ok, try with vesafb and read kernel docs for FB (it's in Documentation/fb dir) |
| 19:16.30 | greycat|home | pavel-simerda: debian wants to switch, but not until sarge is released |
| 19:16.36 | m0rbid | jm_: I know I can screw with font sizes in LILO conf, cause default console font is too large and annoying. |
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| 19:16.49 | m0rbid | jm_: ok Ill start there. |
| 19:16.50 | jm_ | m0rbid: yes, vga=ask or use stm |
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| 19:16.59 | m0rbid | stm is a pkg? |
| 19:17.00 | pavel-simerda | Yes but what exactly? I saw the new XFree license |
| 19:17.03 | ITAY | I want to install Debian, and I want to know first: Does Debian set windows in lilo/grub automaticly? |
| 19:17.08 | jm_ | svgatextmode |
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| 19:17.11 | stew | takatumi: according to /usr/share/doc/kenrel-source-2.6.10/README.Debian.gz there is still a debian patch for cramfs, maybe that document needs to be updated though |
| 19:17.12 | greycat|home | ITAY: yes |
| 19:17.37 | m0rbid | svgatextmode? |
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| 19:17.45 | m0rbid | is it an option? pkg? |
| 19:17.49 | jm_ | yes, that's the package that provides stm |
| 19:17.51 | rikva | wow, the debian-setup-package-choose-install thingy rocks! |
| 19:17.57 | m0rbid | ok, lemme grab that |
| 19:17.58 | ITAY | so I don't need to do anything, just isntall and windows will be there (in lilo/grub), yes? |
| 19:17.59 | jm_ | do apt-cache show svgatextmode and read |
| 19:18.07 | greycat|home | rikva: you probably mean tasksel |
| 19:18.19 | JOHANNA | quien quiere hablar con axter |
| 19:18.23 | greycat|home | !es |
| 19:18.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:18.38 | tarheelcoxn | necesita ayuda? |
| 19:18.48 | rikva | greycat|home: dunno, it's busy so i can't choose help ;) |
| 19:18.49 | greycat|home | tarheelcoxn: send them to #debian-es |
| 19:18.56 | jm_ | m0rbid: stm won't give you FB though, so ditch it now if that's what you need |
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| 19:19.07 | tarheelcoxn | greycat: cool cool |
| 19:19.18 | try_catch_this | how do I chmod something to execut |
| 19:19.21 | try_catch_this | e |
| 19:19.25 | greycat|home | man chmod |
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| 19:19.42 | greycat|home | !tell ITAY about msg |
| 19:19.44 | try_catch_this | cause the chmod -x dosent seem to be working |
| 19:19.46 | takatumi | stew: to be honest, I haven't used debian kernel-sources in a while. |
| 19:19.46 | EvanCarroll | try_catch_this: depends on who should be able to execute it |
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| 19:19.52 | pavel-simerda | greycat|home: what's so wrong, I didn's see a change |
| 19:19.55 | try_catch_this | I dont care |
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| 19:20.01 | EvanCarroll | try_catch_this: chmod a+x if you want execute for everyone |
| 19:20.05 | try_catch_this | I just want to execute it :P |
| 19:20.05 | stew | takatumi: to be honest, i haven't used non debian kernel-source in a while :) |
| 19:20.06 | greycat|home | try_catch_this: -x takes AWAY. |
| 19:20.18 | try_catch_this | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run |
| 19:20.20 | alfatau | hi, i've installed debian sarge on my laptop, and i always use a usb mouse. elsewhere, sometimes i like use touchpad (synaptics). all mouse works well. can't i disable/enable touchpad without modifying-and-restarting xserver? can i disable/enable the touchpad during my session when i like? |
| 19:20.25 | try_catch_this | this is what I want to run |
| 19:20.30 | greycat|home | try_catch_this: sh NV* |
| 19:20.33 | EvanCarroll | try_catch_this: then chmod u+x |
| 19:20.48 | greycat|home | EvanCarroll: may still fail. he probably doesn't know to use ./ or check the mount options... |
| 19:20.51 | greycat|home | "sh file" is safer. |
| 19:21.25 | try_catch_this | in windows I just double click |
| 19:21.27 | pavel-simerda | greycat|home: when large portions of xfree were under many distint licenses - some of them also similar 4-clause BSD licences |
| 19:21.30 | try_catch_this | dammit |
| 19:21.33 | jm_ | alfatau: it's possible if you remove kernel support for either, or if you sue gpm to repeat mouse/touchpad events to X |
| 19:21.48 | greycat|home | pavel-simerda: even BSD isn't under 4-clause BSD any more. |
| 19:21.55 | jm_ | alfatau: the first option is only really doable with 2.6 kernel I suppose |
| 19:21.57 | JOHANNA | fdsgf |
| 19:21.59 | ITAY | sorry, graycat|home... so what is the answer? |
| 19:22.08 | greycat|home | pavel-simerda: openbsd in particular has been on a license-simplifying spree lately. They were among the first to reject apache2 and xfree86 4.4 |
| 19:22.14 | takatumi | ricky_clarkson: just tried the --config option just now, can't get it to give me menuconfig, but I remember reading that it does, somewhere. |
| 19:22.17 | greycat|home | ITAY: /lastlog ITAY |
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| 19:22.17 | EvanCarroll | greycat|home: praticality matters. |
| 19:22.25 | alfatau | jm_: i'm running 2.6.10 kernel |
| 19:22.25 | aidehua | The soup is cooked and has a creamy, peppery quality underlined by wholesome leek and potato body. |
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| 19:22.30 | JOHANNA | gffg |
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| 19:22.42 | pavel-simerda | greycat|home: But what about x.org is it really so much cleaner? |
| 19:22.50 | greycat|home | pavel-simerda: ask #xorg |
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| 19:23.11 | ITAY | greycat|home> /lastlog ITAY: LASTLOG Unknown command |
| 19:23.28 | greycat|home | 14:23 CTCP VERSION reply from ITAY: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 19:23.33 | pavel-simerda | greycat|home: Thanks. I didn't hear anything about apache2, it is also rejected now? |
| 19:23.34 | alfatau | jm_: for the first option, do u intend load/unload the synaptics kernel module?? and what about the second one?? |
| 19:23.36 | greycat|home | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
| 19:23.41 | jm_ | alfatau: well 2.6 kernels use /dev/input/mice for all mice/... so you can use the same device for both, check if removing kernel module works (otherwise both devices will generate events) |
| 19:23.42 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: no, it has minor imporvements that nothign really utilizes yet, it started out as a fork of XFree because the license for the new versions of Xfree collide with GNU |
| 19:23.51 | greycat|home | pavel-simerda: google openbsd apache2 license |
| 19:23.53 | jm_ | alfatau: yes, try unloading the module for it |
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| 19:24.09 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: or rather GNU GPL as you would have it |
| 19:24.21 | takatumi | that's my only option to get DRI. |
| 19:24.22 | ITAY | greycat|home> what do you mean? |
| 19:24.23 | greycat|home | hrm, not very good results on that one. |
| 19:24.25 | citral | a fucker uses my nick :/ |
| 19:24.35 | greycat|home | citral: as opposed to a celibate? |
| 19:24.50 | citral | Your nick is owned by Ask me bitch |
| 19:24.53 | citral | :| |
| 19:25.04 | sepski | is there a debian way (tm) to get the BCMXCP driver into nut for my powerware ups ? |
| 19:25.10 | ricky_clarkson | citral: You should have registered it. Or just ask a staffer for help. |
| 19:25.26 | JOHANNA | dqDR |
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| 19:25.30 | pavel-simerda | EvanCarroll: How does it collide with gpl? |
| 19:25.38 | citral | ricky_clarkson: it's registered... I have to kill the fucker with "ghost" to get it back when it's in use |
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| 19:25.41 | ITAY | I want to be sure, I don't need to do anything, just install and windows will be there (in lilo/grub), yes? |
| 19:25.41 | takatumi | which staffer can grant me an usercloak? |
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| 19:25.55 | EdibleText | sweaty leeks. sounds delish |
| 19:25.57 | deby | mjljk |
| 19:26.02 | ricky_clarkson | takatumi: Any, afaik. RichiH gave me mine. |
| 19:26.03 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: it requires you to maintain special notices with regards to the author - he didn't feel like he was receiving the 'correct ammount of recognitition' |
| 19:26.26 | takatumi | LoRez: could I? |
| 19:26.26 | aidehua | EdibleText: it is a good soup. |
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| 19:26.39 | LoRez | takatumi: no, you can't. |
| 19:26.46 | takatumi | LoRez: ok. |
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| 19:26.58 | LoRez | who are you and what do you want? |
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| 19:27.11 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 19:27.21 | luctor | when I mount my harddrive I dont get write persmissions : this is my fstab : /dev/hda3 /mnt/media/a reiserfs rw,user,noauto 0 1 |
| 19:27.22 | solemnwarning | whats the command to configure exim4? |
| 19:27.31 | greycat|home | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:27.34 | solemnwarning | k |
| 19:27.35 | citral | that makes me think... I should harden my password, someone knows the /msg NickServ command? |
| 19:27.40 | pavel-simerda | EvanCarroll: and what's wrong about notices about the autor, I thought it is normal to keep these notices |
| 19:27.48 | takatumi | LoRez: usercloak, but nevermind. |
| 19:27.50 | greycat|home | luctor: is it vfat? |
| 19:27.55 | LoRez | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 19:27.56 | greycat|home | oh no, it's reiserfs.... |
| 19:27.58 | greycat|home | luctor: man chmod |
| 19:27.58 | LoRez | visit that |
| 19:28.01 | greycat|home | luctor: man chown |
| 19:28.15 | rikva | citral: /msg NickServ IDENTIFY yourpassword |
| 19:28.16 | luctor | greycat|home: its reiserfs |
| 19:28.21 | stew | citral: its /msg NickServ help |
| 19:28.22 | aidehua | Can one get threaded IRC clients? # ugh :) |
| 19:28.24 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: his extend into the work that includes xorg in one, and its a special note for himself, he isn't the sole creater of XFree many contributed to it |
| 19:28.35 | m0rbid | holy shit what a config file... I have no idea where I am going with this. |
| 19:28.45 | greycat|home | aidehua: there are NON-threaded ones?? |
| 19:28.46 | citral | stew: you are always right... sniff... |
| 19:28.59 | greycat|home | or... what do you mean by threaded? |
| 19:29.41 | rudenstam | is it possible to make wget use PORT instead of PASV when wgetting from ftps ? |
| 19:29.45 | aidehua | Threading would thread conversations between people. |
| 19:29.46 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: i believe, and might be wrong, that if debian included xorg into the distribution, then all copies of debian would have to make annotations for him |
| 19:29.59 | ricky_clarkson | LoRez: Is there a list of groups? |
| 19:30.02 | pavel-simerda | EvanCarroll: Who's the one we're talking about - I didn't see anything about a particular person in the license |
| 19:30.06 | aidehua | greycat|home: ...so, when I reply to something you said without prefixing with your nick, I would break the threading. Irony++ |
| 19:30.17 | EvanCarroll | err |
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| 19:30.22 | meds | how do i change the font preferences that it asked when i first installed x, like if i want to use defoma or not |
| 19:30.26 | LoRez | ricky_clarkson: there was somewhere, it's probably out of date though |
| 19:30.29 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: sorry its XFree |
| 19:30.30 | greycat|home | aidehua: oh, *that* kind of threading.... |
| 19:30.45 | greycat|home | aidehua: I thought you meant the lightweight process kind |
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| 19:30.48 | LoRez | ricky_clarkson: you can't get one of those w/o the group requesting it for you though |
| 19:30.52 | pavel-simerda | EvanCarroll: Yeah, I was going to ask... thx |
| 19:30.55 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: just to clairfy its the new versions of XFree that require the note, not xorg, the note is the reason for the fork to xorg |
| 19:30.56 | ricky_clarkson | aidehua: Maybe you could modify Piespy. |
| 19:30.56 | aidehua | greycat|home: rotfl |
| 19:31.01 | takatumi | LoRez: "If you'd like a generic user cloak, just ask a network staffer to turn it on for you." |
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| 19:31.26 | travisat | LoRez: you also have to follow the steps on freenodes website |
| 19:31.29 | ricky_clarkson | LoRez: Understood, just wondering whether Debian has one, or Java. |
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| 19:31.49 | jm_ | meds: "dpkg-reconfigure libpango1.0-common" I suppose |
| 19:32.02 | LoRez | takatumi: read the sentence before that. |
| 19:32.08 | EvanCarroll | jm_: why would you ever want to reconfiugre a lib? |
| 19:32.13 | greycat|home | The freenode.net web site is not terribly informative about how to connect to the network. |
| 19:32.14 | LoRez | travisat: I don't have to do anything but turn cloaks on :) |
| 19:32.18 | greycat|home | They don't even mention alternate ports. |
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| 19:32.28 | EvanCarroll | jm_: libs ipso facto should not have configuration files |
| 19:32.43 | amikron | hi, newbie here |
| 19:32.47 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: Name: libpango1.0-common/use_defoma |
| 19:32.54 | pavel-simerda | EvanCarroll: I still don't know what's the problem - I thought they want ONLY a note about xfree86 project but it seems I was wrong... there's something more, I suppose |
| 19:33.03 | EvanCarroll | jm_: so you would reconfigure deforma |
| 19:33.03 | travisat | LoRez: you need an alternate nick linked to yours, and you need to be registerd, I think thats about it |
| 19:33.09 | aidehua | Do all the cool kids hang out on the #debian running on irc.freenode.net:6668 ? :) |
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| 19:33.36 | LoRez | travisat: why are you telling me what to do? I'm staff, I set the cloaks, not ask for them. |
| 19:33.49 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: there is no such setting in debconf's database for package defoma, only for libpangoblabla |
| 19:33.51 | travisat | LoRez: me confused |
| 19:33.57 | LoRez | I guess so |
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| 19:34.00 | meds | jm_: ok which package was it that asked if i wanted to use freetype or xtt? |
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| 19:34.33 | EvanCarroll | pavel-simerda: the new versions of xfree86 require the note, xorg is a fork of the last GNU GPL'd version of XFree, it does not require a note, it additionally has new fetures, but it lacks alot of compatablity and is buggy in the eyes of debian, so it isn't included in the repos at all, the hoary repos from ubuntu has it, you can switch to that repos, get xwindows-xorg, and then switch back to debian if you want to live dangerou |
| 19:34.37 | takatumi | LoRez: done. |
| 19:34.38 | travisat | LoRez: I just drank 48 ounces of smirnoff ice, so my mind isn't exactly at running condition |
| 19:34.39 | valdyn_ | meds: dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf and while you're at it, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 19:34.46 | jm_ | meds: x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 19:34.53 | BrianAnthony | how do I change the version of the kernel with kpkg? |
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| 19:34.58 | BrianAnthony | erer |
| 19:35.00 | LoRez | takatumi: no, you're not done. all 7 steps. |
| 19:35.03 | citral | aha! SET KILL ON is what I want |
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| 19:35.13 | EvanCarroll | jm_: so why you type dpkg-reconfigure libpangoblabla something usefull comes up? |
| 19:35.16 | BrianAnthony | how do i change the version of the kernel in the changelog with kpkg |
| 19:35.24 | greycat|home | Does freenode provide SSL-based client access? Not at present. We did have a server set up as a testbed for a while, but we probably won't provide SSL on a consistent basis until we can provide end-to-end encryption. *damn* |
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| 19:35.30 | LoRez | and for future reference, ask people in #freenode for cloaks, not staff in #debian. |
| 19:35.31 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: I don't understand that question |
| 19:35.36 | travisat | BrianAnthony: --append-to-name |
| 19:35.50 | LoRez | citral: it's disabled. |
| 19:35.57 | luctor | can I edit etc/group and not have to logout login from X to make it work ? |
| 19:35.58 | travisat | BrianAnthony: first make-kpkg clean though |
| 19:36.00 | BrianAnthony | because when I am trying to compile a module for my kernel it won't let me compile it for my kernel version because it says that it is a different version in the changelog |
| 19:36.06 | LoRez | greycat|home: hack it into dancer and we might use it ;) |
| 19:36.08 | greycat|home | Lorez: which doesn't stop him from wanting it... |
| 19:36.11 | csaba198 | hi! Could anybody tell me how can i watch the inactivity of a logged in user? And for example after 10 minutes inactivity how can i start a program on his terminal? (If You could give me some documentation, or say what to look for ... ). |
| 19:36.11 | ricky_clarkson | travisat: You're funny. |
| 19:36.14 | EvanCarroll | jm_: im just not understanding why you would 'reconfigure' a lib, a lib is something utilized by an executable which has configurations, but there is nothing to configure about a library after compilation |
| 19:36.18 | travisat | ricky_clarkson: I am? |
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| 19:36.23 | jm_ | luctor: man newgrp, man sg |
| 19:36.25 | ricky_clarkson | Yes. |
| 19:36.29 | takatumi | LoRez: phew. |
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| 19:36.34 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: you're wrong ;) |
| 19:36.35 | luctor | jm_: thx |
| 19:36.45 | LoRez | greycat|home: no, it doesn't, but it may keep him from complaining in a moment when he realizes it doesn't work |
| 19:36.47 | pavel-simerda | EvanCarroll: Alright, I still don't uderstand all the mess around X licenses but you have helped me a little (as greycat did) |
| 19:36.48 | travisat | hmmm. I need to be sanding my cars hood. but alsa I am typing on irc |
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| 19:36.56 | greycat|home | csaba198: shells have their own builtin inactivity timers (usually for auto-logout) |
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| 19:37.12 | takatumi | LoRez: danke :) |
| 19:37.12 | valdyn_ | BrianAnthony: are you confusing on what a changelog is? |
| 19:37.12 | panda | are there any software can receive fax? |
| 19:37.17 | greycat|home | csaba198: you'd be best off trying to work from the shell POV instead of the external daemon POV |
| 19:37.18 | LoRez | panda: hylafax |
| 19:37.21 | EdibleText | aidehua, ill think im going to make some. You inspired me. did you puree or leave it chunkystyle? |
| 19:37.21 | jm_ | panda: apt-cache search fax |
| 19:37.22 | leOn | panda: hylafax |
| 19:37.32 | aidehua | EdibleText: puree |
| 19:37.37 | travisat | BrianAnthony: make-kpkg clean, then do the appendectomy |
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| 19:37.43 | panda | LoRez, jm_ leOn danke |
| 19:37.44 | EvanCarroll | jm_: not seeing how im wrong =/ but if you say so |
| 19:37.45 | abrotman | !ops BeTqNjaq spamming |
| 19:37.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: BeTqNjaq spamming |
| 19:37.57 | csaba198 | greycat: thanks, i' m looking for it. |
| 19:37.57 | LoRez | dead jim |
| 19:37.59 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: why can't a library have config files? |
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| 19:38.08 | EvanCarroll | jm_: because a library doesn't execute code |
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| 19:38.18 | greycat|home | EvanCarroll: uh? |
| 19:38.18 | EvanCarroll | jm_: an executable does |
| 19:38.31 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: that hardly matters |
| 19:38.36 | meds | jm_: hm, gtk2 fonts are still big and ugly |
| 19:38.38 | greycat|home | libraries contain executable code that programs run when they use that library |
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| 19:38.44 | travisat | EvanCarroll: then why is mozilla-firefox stored in /usr/lib |
| 19:38.45 | EdibleText | aidehua, nice. /me avoids getting covered in potato-leek magma |
| 19:38.55 | jm_ | meds: maybe your DPI setting is wrong |
| 19:39.04 | greycat|home | travisat: because it's just a huge wad of shared objects that a tiny little wrapper program links in dynamically |
| 19:39.05 | meds | jm_: where can i change that |
| 19:39.06 | EvanCarroll | jm_: the config files are attached to executables, i don't see what the purpose would be in attaching one to a library |
| 19:39.12 | nvz | does anyone know an X run dialog that doesnt royally suck ass? when I trying to run a program from grun is like working with the handicapped, I type xscr and it completes to xscreensaver-getimage-file and everytime I start to delete that crap it keeps completing to it again. |
| 19:39.14 | jm_ | meds: first check it - xdpyinfo |
| 19:39.18 | citral | grrrr |
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| 19:39.21 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: that's what you think |
| 19:39.23 | greycat|home | EvanCarroll: resolv.conf(5) is a library configuration file. |
| 19:39.35 | greycat|home | EvanCarroll: you're really wrong today :) |
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| 19:39.43 | BrianAnthony | travisat: is it okay for my revision to be 2.6.8 if my kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7? |
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| 19:39.46 | greycat|home | nsswitch.conf(5) is another one. |
| 19:39.47 | nvz | I just want to bind a key that allows me to type a command and run it. I do _NOT_ want _ANY_ form of command completion |
| 19:39.51 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: dpkg -L libpango1.0-common ; apt-cache show libpango1.0-common |
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| 19:39.58 | jm_ | EvanCarroll: that will explain things |
| 19:40.03 | panda | do i need a fax modem? i use adsl |
| 19:40.12 | greycat|home | panda: only if you want to fax. |
| 19:40.20 | aidehua | EdibleText: last time I made soup, I blended it in a smoothee maker, which developed very sutble (and pretty) heat stress fractures. It is only a matter of time before I suffer painful-vegmagma-megadeath. |
| 19:40.26 | travisat | BrianAnthony: yeah, but usually when you make revisions manually you make them sortof unique, like with the date in them |
| 19:40.27 | aidehua | Until then, I shall continue to eat good soups. |
| 19:40.30 | panda | i want to receive fax by software greycat|home |
| 19:40.38 | jim | panda: do you need a fax modem for what? |
| 19:40.39 | rikva | hmmm, the manual on the debian site doesn't really apply to the sarge netinst i try to install. |
| 19:40.46 | meds | jm_: resolution: 100x100 dots per inch |
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| 19:40.49 | greycat|home | panda: then you will want a fax modem, yes. |
| 19:40.58 | jm_ | nvz: I used to have a small 3-line terminal with tiny font at the bottom of the screen for that |
| 19:41.00 | panda | jim, i want to receive fax, and yo told me to use hylafax |
| 19:41.01 | Delph | panda: yes; fax doesn't go over ASDL, it goes over the phone system. |
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| 19:41.27 | jm_ | meds: ok, try changing it to 75 and make sure 75dpi fonts are in font path before 100dpi ones |
| 19:41.33 | jim | panda: note, if you receive/send faxes over trhe same line as the adsl, it could cause your net to hickup (it happened to us) |
| 19:41.39 | EdibleText | aidehua, even industrial strength restuarant blenders can barly contain the power that IS potato leek soup |
| 19:41.43 | panda | Delph, will a 56k diaup modem be ok? to receive fax? |
| 19:41.55 | greycat|home | panda: most fax is 1.4k |
| 19:41.58 | greycat|home | bah. |
| 19:42.01 | greycat|home | panda: most fax is 14.4k |
| 19:42.03 | jm_ | meds: well 100dpi is calculated from your resolution and from your screen's dimensions, xdpyinfo will print both and you can verify that it's correct |
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| 19:42.18 | travisat | EdibleText: wtf?? potato leek soup sucks asss. I like plain ol potoato soup |
| 19:42.27 | EvanCarroll | greycat|home: what is the resolv.conf library configuration file? |
| 19:42.29 | greycat|home | !start a soup war |
| 19:42.40 | takatumi | greycat|home: I'm used to that, you start to see double. |
| 19:42.40 | Segers_J | hahahahahaha |
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| 19:42.44 | greycat|home | EvanCarroll: it's the config file for libresolv. which is part of GNU libc nowadays. |
| 19:42.47 | EdibleText | travisat, aidehua and I disagree :P |
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| 19:42.47 | aidehua | EdibleText: a couple of bowls of the stuff can power an 85kg transport and computation device for up to 24 hours. |
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| 19:42.54 | meds | jm_: dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (260x195 millimeters) |
| 19:43.00 | travisat | EdibleText: fine, but chicken soup is even better |
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| 19:43.09 | directhex | when did greycat|home start stealing my piped usernames? |
| 19:43.10 | panda | greycat|home, can dailup modem used for fax too? |
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| 19:43.31 | greycat|home | panda: not *simultaneously*. It can onnly do one thing at a time. |
| 19:43.35 | jm_ | meds: that comes out as 13" screen |
| 19:43.38 | csaba198 | greycat: Could You tell me something about this POV connected to the inactivity timer of shell? Where can i read about it? I didn' t find anything useable with google. |
| 19:43.38 | takatumi | directhex: your idea has been GPL'd! |
| 19:43.39 | EdibleText | travisat, I currently am in search of the holy grail of chicken soup. clear broth. |
| 19:43.43 | meds | jm_: yeah, 12inch ibook lcd |
| 19:43.45 | panda | jim, how about adsl(NIC) and fax modem used together? |
| 19:43.50 | greycat|home | csaba198: POV means point of view. |
| 19:43.52 | directhex | takatumi, you can't 'accidentally' GPL something |
| 19:43.55 | Coily | when i get mail from cron daemon, is it using a local smtp server or is it just being added to my mail spool |
| 19:43.57 | EdibleText | travisat, I employ ancient chinese technique |
| 19:44.06 | jm_ | meds: gotta run now, sorry - I'm sure others will be able to help (try putting 75dpi fonts first in font path, edit config file or do it with xset command) |
| 19:44.08 | greycat|home | !tell Coily about mail tutorial |
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| 19:44.10 | csaba198 | greycat: oh, look for again... . |
| 19:44.18 | travisat | EdibleText: why clear? the more opague, the more flavour, the southern technigue beats any ol chinks reciped |
| 19:44.24 | Coily | thanks |
| 19:44.30 | panda | greycat|home, i use adsl to connect to internet, i want to use dialup modem to receive fax too |
| 19:44.39 | greycat|home | csaba198: start with "TMOUT" in masn bash |
| 19:44.41 | greycat|home | man bash, even |
| 19:44.44 | jim | panda: that's exactly what caused the hickup... every time we received or sent a fax, it made the dsl link die.... had to recycle power on dsl modem |
| 19:44.45 | dmz | anyone know if it's possible to install a single package (& it's dependancies) from 'unstable' onto a 'stable' machine? |
| 19:44.50 | Rydekull | greycat|home: http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ everyone talks to you :P |
| 19:44.53 | dmz | short of downloading and manually installing |
| 19:45.02 | csaba198 | gretcat: this will be a good for me i bet, thanks. |
| 19:45.10 | Segers_J | EdibleText: travisat: mmmmm, schmaltz. |
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| 19:45.34 | greycat|home | csaba198: I don't know if there's any way to achieve your goal without actually hacking the shell's source code. |
| 19:45.34 | jim | panda: having said all that, ours is one experience out of many |
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| 19:45.46 | panda | jim, i think receiving fax is just like receiving a call |
| 19:45.48 | chealer | !tell dmz about backports |
| 19:45.57 | Segers_J | dmz: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:45.57 | aidehua | travisat, EdibleText: please private-message me chicken soup recipes. I am intrigued. |
| 19:46.02 | jim | panda: I think so too |
| 19:46.28 | travisat | aidehua: too bad, no chicken for you |
| 19:46.34 | greycat|home | NO SOUP FOR YOU! |
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| 19:47.00 | jim | panda: but if the fax somehow goes over bandwidth or the filter isn't effective enough, it can affect the dsl |
| 19:47.02 | Segers_J | greycat|home: :) |
| 19:47.06 | takatumi | greycat|home: don't shout, piespy will start to redden the lines. |
| 19:47.26 | greycat|home | takatumi: I hope to become my normal self eventually. Instead of my |home self. |
| 19:47.42 | greycat|home | takatumi: and that one is supposd to be shouted. |
| 19:47.46 | aidehua | Bollocks. My leeks weren't adeqeutly cleaned and I have marginally gritty soup. |
| 19:47.48 | takatumi | greycat|home: :) |
| 19:47.55 | jim | panda: which is what we directly experienced: every time a fax was sent or received, we had to re-establish the dsl link |
| 19:48.05 | greycat|home | aidehua: "natural flavors" |
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| 19:48.10 | guillaum1 | hi |
| 19:48.12 | aidehua | greycat|home: "mud" |
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| 19:48.15 | guillaum1 | i need help :) |
| 19:48.17 | greycat|home | jethro: only because of that horrid devfs. |
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| 19:48.23 | travisat | haha mud, thats what you think |
| 19:48.24 | jethro | greycat|home: indeed |
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| 19:48.28 | aidehua | I could flog it as organic :) |
| 19:48.34 | travisat | very organic |
| 19:48.37 | Segers_J | guillaum1: ask your question. |
| 19:48.47 | guillaum1 | I have a touchpad on a compaq presariio 1685 who make some things that i don't want. The mouse move and click... |
| 19:48.49 | takatumi | jethro: worked for me. |
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| 19:48.59 | greycat|home | guillaum1: so get an external mouse |
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| 19:49.18 | travisat | guillaum1: use ratpoison, meece suxors |
| 19:49.30 | guillaum1 | meece ? |
| 19:49.34 | jethro | I need to fix a debian install which is screwed, after some retard moved the root partition (reiserfs) which kind of confused grub. the tard used partition magiq for that |
| 19:49.36 | ricky_clarkson | mice probably |
| 19:49.37 | travisat | guillaum1: plural of mice |
| 19:49.44 | guillaum1 | Oki |
| 19:49.45 | greycat|home | guillaum1: a joke. |
| 19:49.49 | takatumi | guillaum1: check http://gpoppy.org/XF86Config-4 for some extra special touchpad options on my compaq. |
| 19:49.50 | guillaum1 | Oki sorry :) |
| 19:50.00 | jim | what's channel mode +g? |
| 19:50.11 | guillaum1 | i look the page, thanks |
| 19:50.15 | meds | i put 75dpi fonts before 100dpi in my fontpath but it's still using 100dpi fonts, how do i change to 75? |
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| 19:50.18 | greycat|home | jim: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 19:50.28 | jethro | one should never let clueless people use system which require clues |
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| 19:51.01 | panda | jim hylafax isn't in sid |
| 19:51.09 | abrotman | panda: hylafax-server |
| 19:51.16 | abrotman | panda: apt-cache search hylafax |
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| 19:51.45 | greycat|home | so what ports does freenode run on besides 6667 and 7000? |
| 19:51.50 | panda | jim, you'll have to connect to another phone line, not the adsl one, i think this will sovle the problem |
| 19:52.18 | jim | panda: sure, if you had a different phone line for the fax, then no problem |
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| 19:52.33 | sepski | i am tring to get nut to talk to my powerware ups, google have told me i need the bcmxcp driver, but that is not included in nut in debian sarge. googleing for the driver dosnt give me any sensible answers either. i assume i have to compile it from source, but just why isnt it included ? is there a replacement im not aware about or what ? |
| 19:52.34 | panda | abrotman, danke |
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| 19:52.58 | panda | jim, how about your fax now |
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| 19:53.14 | jim | it's not my line |
| 19:53.21 | jim | it was in a shared house |
| 19:53.27 | panda | jim, how about that fax now |
| 19:53.36 | panda | jim, still share the line with adsl? |
| 19:53.44 | takatumi | greycat|home: "2004-12-06 12:03:05<+UdontKnow> 6665, 6666, 7000, 7070, 8000, 8001, 8002 are accepted by freenode" |
| 19:53.49 | leOn | drini: think i figured it out ... i added the backports initrd-tools to sources.list and updated && upgraded ... but looks like woody initrd-tools is on hold, so it kept the old package ... just installed the backported version and it's working now |
| 19:53.51 | greycat|home | takatumi: thanks |
| 19:53.57 | jim | the dsl was shared among the live-ins and visitors (because there was a machine in the kitchen) |
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| 19:54.10 | leOn | fserv:~# uname -r |
| 19:54.10 | leOn | 2.6.11 |
| 19:54.11 | leOn | =) |
| 19:54.20 | Segers_J | jim: I wonder if that's why my adsl just dies sometimes, I just installed expect and wrote a script to reset it over telnet. |
| 19:54.25 | DEBDEB | enjoy all ! go to #DEBIAN on irc.ekynox.net ! |
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| 19:54.45 | asg | can we get warez there? |
| 19:54.48 | jim | but the guy who had the same phone line as the dsl kept sending faxes |
| 19:54.51 | greycat|home | maybe pr0n too? |
| 19:54.56 | jim | asg: asl? |
| 19:54.57 | asg | woohoo! |
| 19:55.31 | panda | jim, i guess this problem could be sovled by hylafax |
| 19:55.38 | panda | jim, improve hylafax |
| 19:55.39 | jim | panda: no |
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| 19:55.52 | greycat|home | panda: you improve it. |
| 19:56.12 | jim | the modem tones bleed into the dsl signal and confuse the modem |
| 19:56.20 | jim | doesn't matter what fax program you use |
| 19:56.20 | panda | greycat|home, jim i wonder it's the software's fault or fax's fault |
| 19:56.27 | jim | it's the same modem tonesw |
| 19:56.41 | Flimzy | jim: I did modem-over-DSL before without any problems. |
| 19:56.45 | panda | jim, i see |
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| 19:56.55 | greycat|home | maybe jim's filters weren't quite up to spec |
| 19:57.17 | jim | panda: also, we now have another anecdote in flimzy, who says he didn't have a problem |
| 19:57.18 | panda | Flimzy, you mean fax and adsl together? |
| 19:57.39 | Flimzy | panda: not FAX, 56k modem. |
| 19:57.40 | panda | greycat|home, what's filter? |
| 19:57.46 | jim | greycat|home: or maybe the filter was miswired |
| 19:57.55 | greycat|home | panda: Ok, you're trolling. you can't be running a DSL and not know that. |
| 19:57.57 | jim | panda: gotta have a filter for the dsl |
| 19:58.07 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 19:58.07 | dpkg | [qotd42] * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 19:58.10 | Flimzy | jim: Altho admitedly, I did something that was "never supposed to be done" (altho I didn't know that until months after I'd done it) |
| 19:58.10 | panda | Flimzy, so you've got two internet connections |
| 19:58.20 | Flimzy | panda: Uh, not exactly. |
| 19:58.32 | Flimzy | panda: I did that ~2 yrs ago, too. |
| 19:58.44 | greycat|home | most people who have a modem and DSL won't use the modem to get to the *internet*, but rather, to a specific destination (work, client site, etc.) |
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| 19:58.57 | Flimzy | panda: I essentially had a DSL Internet connection, then would dial-in/out over the same line with a modem. |
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| 19:58.59 | xnor | i got disconected when i ran putty(ssh) i was up configuring in a menu, is it possible to return to that screen? |
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| 19:59.12 | panda | greycat|home, is that the one fork the line? |
| 19:59.16 | greycat|home | xnor: only if you ran it inside screen(1) |
| 19:59.35 | xnor | greycat: no i didnt :( |
| 19:59.44 | greycat|home | xnor: then it got a HUP and hopefully died. |
| 19:59.49 | greycat|home | if it didn't die, it's eating 100% CPU. |
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| 19:59.57 | NOthsouth | Hello, I'm on Debian sarge 2.6.8 trying to install oracle 10g, I already install but now i trying to create a DB with dbca, and I got this error msg. :ORA- 01031 insufficient privilleges |
| 20:00.13 | panda | greycat|home, is filter the thing fork the line? one to phone, one to NIC? |
| 20:00.14 | jim | panda: right. the phone line is forked into two, you put the filter on the NON DSL side, then connect the phones after the filter... |
| 20:00.27 | jim | the other side which DOES NOT have the filter goes to the dsl modem |
| 20:00.32 | Flimzy | NOthsouth: 1) that's an Oracle problem, not a Debian problem. 2) Why use Oracle at all? |
| 20:00.43 | NOthsouth | I google for this error and is something relationed with TSN but I don't know how fix |
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| 20:00.58 | jim | NOthsouth: contact your oracle rep |
| 20:01.13 | xnor | greycat i have this process running i think it that, 23392 root dpkg-preconfigu |
| 20:01.18 | NOthsouth | I download oracle |
| 20:01.22 | Flimzy | panda: You usually have a fork, one side goes to the DSL modem, one side to a filter, then that filter to your phone. |
| 20:01.23 | NOthsouth | I do not have suport |
| 20:01.37 | NOthsouth | My application need oracle10g |
| 20:01.43 | Flimzy | NOthsouth: then you're SOL. And probably should not legally be using oracle. |
| 20:01.53 | jim | NOthsouth: probably you want to use svrmgrl (not sure if I spelled that right) |
| 20:01.53 | Flimzy | NOthsouth: then get a different applicatin. |
| 20:01.56 | Flimzy | s/tin/tion/ |
| 20:02.19 | loadd77 | does someone of you guys knows a tool which can connect to a oracle db? |
| 20:02.20 | jim | Flimzy: no, they do give it away for learning and development purposes |
| 20:02.34 | Flimzy | jim: ahh |
| 20:02.35 | FieldySnuts | point being, oracle is not made by us, not supported by us, you'd have to talk to oracle |
| 20:02.44 | Flimzy | jim: That's unfortunate |
| 20:02.48 | baronsamedi | jim: they don't give it away for education, we have to pay 18 for an education copy over here in the UK |
| 20:02.49 | jim | Flimzy: I have oracle 8i all over the place |
| 20:02.55 | jim | I don't use it anymore |
| 20:03.05 | jim | 18 what? |
| 20:03.08 | sepski | loadd77, my best guess would be export from whatever to cvs or some other standard, then use oracle's tools to import that |
| 20:03.17 | baronsamedi | 18, eighteen of our english pounds |
| 20:03.19 | Flimzy | jim: "18 spacebucks" |
| 20:03.22 | sepski | csv ofcourse... |
| 20:03.33 | loadd77 | sepski: but isn't there a client tool for it? |
| 20:03.34 | jim | how many quatloos is that??! |
| 20:03.39 | jim | \j/k |
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| 20:04.02 | jim | sepski: there are C bindings and java bindings |
| 20:04.25 | jim | sepski: probably perl has soemthing |
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| 20:04.37 | jim | so then you could use mod_perl |
| 20:04.43 | panda | jim, does your that fax system have a filter? will a filter solve the problem? |
| 20:04.50 | jim | aolsercver has it |
| 20:04.59 | jim | panda: they had a filter, yes |
| 20:05.08 | jim | this is past tense |
| 20:05.09 | xnor | how do i return to a PID or job that is running? |
| 20:05.10 | Flimzy | panda: FAX _programs_ don't have filters. Filters are hardware. |
| 20:05.20 | rikva | xnor: top |
| 20:05.27 | Flimzy | xnor: You don't, unless it was in screen. |
| 20:05.51 | Flimzy | xnor: Or if you just escaped from the program... in which case you can type 'fg' from the same console. |
| 20:05.58 | xnor | Flimzy but if i run some stuff and press ctrl + z |
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| 20:06.13 | Flimzy | xnor: then type 'fg' |
| 20:06.17 | EdibleText | xnor, pidof <porcess> |
| 20:06.21 | EdibleText | er process |
| 20:06.21 | panda | jim, so even with a filter, receiving fax still cut down adsl? |
| 20:06.37 | ricky_clarkson | baronsamedi: What the hell character encoding do you use? |
| 20:06.47 | Flimzy | panda: The filter only blocks the DSL signal from the standard phone line. It doesn't block the standard phone stuff from the DSL modem. |
| 20:06.51 | jim | panda: it did then, yes. note, that I did not look into whether the filter was miswired. |
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| 20:07.07 | Flimzy | panda: So if the DSL modem is 'listening' to too much, the filter may not help |
| 20:07.19 | Flimzy | panda: Also, if the filter isn't as good as it should be, noise may get thru to the DSL modem |
| 20:07.26 | jim | but the connection looked good... when their dsl was up, they were getting 100k/s sustained at least |
| 20:07.29 | Flimzy | panda: the latter is probably much more likely |
| 20:07.37 | panda | Flimzy, is there's another filter which block the phone from ADSL, everything would be ok |
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| 20:08.10 | CHiFLADA | hola |
| 20:08.16 | Flimzy | panda: Not that I know of. But that would be a bad idea. |
| 20:08.18 | CHiFLADA | algun chavo ke kiera platikar? |
| 20:08.20 | Flimzy | panda: B/c such a filter would probably degrade the DSL signal all the time |
| 20:08.32 | jim | panda: that's what you MUST have. |
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| 20:08.47 | Flimzy | !spanish |
| 20:08.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:08.50 | jim | not "another" filter, the filter they give you |
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| 20:09.22 | Flimzy | jim: The filter they give you only blocks the DSL signal from the handset, no? (am I thinking backwards here?) |
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| 20:09.33 | greycat|home | My god. L33t spanish. |
| 20:09.38 | Flimzy | panda: Maybe jim's right, and I'm all bass ackwards (It has been ~2-3 years since I've used DSL) |
| 20:09.57 | panda | Flimzy, jim i see |
| 20:09.59 | greycat|home | Don't people have ANY self-respect any more? |
| 20:10.22 | jim | Flimzy: the filter goes on the NON dsl side, to eliminate the dsl stuff from the phones |
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| 20:10.38 | jim | Flimzy: then you put the dsl on the NOT filtered side |
| 20:10.52 | jim | Flimzy: which is likely exactly as you remember it |
| 20:10.53 | Flimzy | jim: Okay... that's what I was thinking. Then there is no filter to eliminate the non-DSL stuff from the DSL (which is waht panda was looking for) |
| 20:11.05 | stew | are you sure? |
| 20:11.06 | jim | Flimzy: right |
| 20:11.07 | Flimzy | panda: Okay, I remembered right the first time |
| 20:11.21 | abrotman | kline ZbdpjsS please |
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| 20:11.30 | stew | wait if you use a phone with no dsl filter, its not that the quality sounds bad its that bandwidth goes to shit |
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| 20:11.45 | stew | iirc |
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| 20:11.49 | Flimzy | anyway, rather than reminiscing about DSL, I'm gonna go take a shower, then look for a new job. |
| 20:11.58 | Flimzy | ttfn |
| 20:12.12 | jim | Flimzy: good luck on that |
| 20:12.19 | greycat|home | yeah, showers can be tricky. |
| 20:12.25 | panda | Flimzy, are you out of job? |
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| 20:12.36 | xnor | dont drop the soap |
| 20:12.49 | jim | and remember, the hot side is on the LEFT |
| 20:12.56 | jim | NONONO, your OTHER left! |
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| 20:13.18 | greycat|home | your left, not the shower's left |
| 20:13.49 | panda | should i use software fax or buy a fax machine? |
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| 20:14.09 | abrotman | panda: my boss had me setup hylafax .. he loves it |
| 20:14.12 | greycat|home | panda: given the level of competence you've been demonstrating lately, the fax machine is safer. |
| 20:14.12 | FieldySnuts | pry easier and far less hassle to get a machine |
| 20:14.15 | panda | suppose i have two phone lines |
| 20:14.24 | FieldySnuts | however if you have multi-user needs etc, maybe hylafax |
| 20:14.26 | abrotman | panda: hylafax + pyla is a load of fun |
| 20:14.43 | greycat|home | panda: he means "fun" in the "stay up all night hacking a problem" way. |
| 20:14.49 | jim | panda: then you have a few different combinations to try |
| 20:15.11 | abrotman | no .. it wasn't too bad .. pyla isn't too bad to setup .. and neither is hylafax |
| 20:15.14 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
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| 20:16.16 | meds | which package will fix this dependancy? 'The shape extension stuff could not be found in the X client libraries' |
| 20:16.36 | panda | why use software fax? more feature? abrotman |
| 20:16.39 | greycat|home | it actually says "stuff"? |
| 20:16.51 | abrotman | panda: you mean hylafax ? |
| 20:16.57 | panda | abrotman, yeah |
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| 20:17.13 | jim | greycat|home: no it axtually reads "thing13z" |
| 20:17.16 | abrotman | panda: for us .. lots of spams .. but also .. people fax us contracts .. so they just take the tif .. make a pdf and file it |
| 20:17.22 | abrotman | instead of scanning in etc |
| 20:17.25 | meds | greycat|home: yes and this: checking for XShapeCombineMask in -lXext... no |
| 20:17.35 | panda | abrotman, so saves paper |
| 20:17.42 | greycat|home | meds: is xlibs-dev installed? |
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| 20:18.18 | meds | i'll try that |
| 20:18.21 | abrotman | panda: that's part of it .. we had the phone guy set up the system so that if the hylafax doesn't answer after 7 rings or something .. it falls over to a traditional fax machine |
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| 20:18.34 | panda | abrotman, fax spams are less then email spams, i think, 'cause sending fax cost money |
| 20:18.54 | Flimzy | panda: And sending FAX spam is illegal in many cases |
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| 20:19.04 | abrotman | panda: but it also means there isn't just one copy of the fax .. it means that until i clean out the recvq .. the fax stays there .. so if they print it and lose it .. they can go back and get it |
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| 20:19.35 | panda | abrotman, isn't hylafx reliable? how can hylafax doesn't answer? |
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| 20:20.08 | greycat|home | dpkg, freenode ports is <reply> +UdontKnow> 6665, 6666, 7000, 7070, 8000, 8001, 8002 are accepted by freenode |
| 20:20.08 | dpkg | okay, greycat|home |
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| 20:20.19 | greycat|home | But I get "blocked" on all the ones I've tried. |
| 20:20.27 | abrotman | panda: uhm .. it could be answering .. ? cable came unplugged? .. i could be rebooting it ? .. the modem explodes? .. lots of reasons .. it was a precaution .. been running hylafax since maybe may .. only recieved maybe 5 faxes on the regular machine |
| 20:20.47 | freddd | hi |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | panda: make sense ? |
| 20:21.08 | panda | abrotman, yeah |
| 20:21.33 | abrotman | panda: our company gets lots of faxes .. if we didn't have a backup .. and the hylafax box went down .. i'd be in deep doggie doodoo |
| 20:22.02 | abrotman | and i mean legitimate onse .. not just trash |
| 20:22.14 | abrotman | our company operates almost solely on email and faxes |
| 20:22.28 | panda | abrotman, what kind of a company? |
| 20:22.36 | abrotman | panda: consulting |
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| 20:22.57 | abrotman | greycat_1: are you done yet? :) |
| 20:22.59 | panda | abrotman, all such companies need hylafax |
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| 20:23.19 | abrotman | panda: it's just good for us .. we do work auth's etc .. and instead of filing a paper copy ... they file the pdf |
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| 20:23.33 | abrotman | panda: all kinds of stuff .. we get requirements etc via fax |
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| 20:23.46 | ColonelKernel | what is the current kernel version for sarge? |
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| 20:24.11 | maher | ColonelKernel: packeages.debian.org will tell you |
| 20:24.25 | ColonelKernel | yeah, or a sarge user could tell me |
| 20:24.26 | greycat | abrotman: yeah. I'm assuming for now that they have implemented a layer 7 proxy. I've done an "ssh -L 7000:irc.freenode.net:7000" and reconfigured irssi to use localhost for OPN. |
| 20:24.43 | abrotman | greycat: you didn't call and bitch ? |
| 20:24.49 | greycat | abrotman: hahahaha. |
| 20:24.50 | xam | ColonelKernel: you are a bit lazy, aren't you? |
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| 20:25.05 | abrotman | greycat: you gonna help me with my vpn now ? |
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| 20:25.17 | ColonelKernel | Im not the one too lazy to type uname -a |
| 20:25.20 | ColonelKernel | anyhow nevermind |
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| 20:25.22 | ColonelKernel | bye |
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| 20:25.50 | greycat | abrotman: <ring> "Hello, ITD helpdesk." "Y0, ima try1ng 2 chatz w/ teh l33t #d3b1an!!!1 Y U b0rked t3h chat!?!" |
| 20:26.05 | abrotman | greycat: sounds like a plan to me .. would you like me to call ? |
| 20:26.18 | Rawplayer | hey this is not msn |
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| 20:26.42 | xam | abrotman: at least he went away ... |
| 20:26.50 | abrotman | who did ? |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:26.58 | takatumi | abrotman: do save a transcript |
| 20:27.08 | abrotman | takatumi: i don't have the number |
| 20:27.15 | cyberfreak | hi |
| 20:28.01 | cyberfreak | anyone here? |
| 20:28.07 | greycat | abrotman: you can't call the ITD helpdesk without a valid employee number, and I'm not giving you mine :P |
| 20:28.30 | drini | leOn: still there? |
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| 20:29.10 | cyberfreak | hey guys i need help about network installing debian, where shall i go? |
| 20:29.20 | greycat | !d-i cyberfreak |
| 20:29.21 | dpkg | cyberfreak, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:29.37 | cyberfreak | thx |
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| 20:30.04 | abrotman | greycat: that's no fun :) |
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| 20:31.56 | devazion | Do anybody know when new gnome (1.10) will be in debian packages? (testing or unstable..) |
| 20:32.13 | drini | I guess your bet is using some unofficial repository |
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| 20:32.26 | streuner | devazion: read /topic |
| 20:32.52 | streuner | !wir |
| 20:32.52 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 20:32.56 | greycat | 1.10? never. |
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| 20:33.05 | devazion | streuner, ty :) missed that one ;) im sorry for asking that question *notices topic* |
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| 20:33.54 | devazion | greycat, just saying it or meaning it? (never) |
| 20:34.16 | stew | devazion: the 1 series isn't being developed any longer, only the 2. series is |
| 20:34.24 | greycat | there will never be a gnome 1.10. simple. |
| 20:34.37 | devazion | sorry! ^^ |
| 20:34.37 | greycat | they're already up to 2.something |
| 20:35.48 | ricky_clarkson | echo 1.10 > VERSION; make |
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| 20:40.17 | Atrocity | hey guys...so i have another question about isntalling deb. via network |
| 20:40.48 | ricky_clarkson | So ask it. |
| 20:40.57 | maher | Atrocity: don't ask - let me guess |
| 20:41.02 | Atrocity | every service i try to get the distro from keeps coming up with an error like "no kernel modules found. thisis prob. due to mismatch between kernel used by this and the one on the archive" |
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| 20:41.28 | greycat | Atrocity: huh? |
| 20:41.28 | Atrocity | maher: sorry, only 1 monitor here, so i had to switch it from oen comp. to another to get the msg |
| 20:41.29 | ricky_clarkson | service? |
| 20:41.42 | greycat | are you *installing* or trying to *build a kernel module from source*? |
| 20:41.43 | Atrocity | erm, server... |
| 20:41.50 | Atrocity | greycat: just install |
| 20:42.00 | Atrocity | the floppies i'm using i downloaded like last sat. |
| 20:42.07 | Atrocity | i wouldn't think they're THAT outdated already |
| 20:42.56 | greycat | Atrocity: did you download the drivers floppies too, and load them when requested? |
| 20:43.08 | greycat | Atrocity: the first two floppies won't have NIC drivers... |
| 20:43.09 | Atrocity | greycat: yeah, i downloaded all 4 |
| 20:43.20 | Atrocity | it loads my nic fine, i can connect to the different mirrors |
| 20:43.29 | greycat | Atrocity: then WHAT is producing that error? |
| 20:43.34 | Atrocity | just all of them say they have wrong kernel versions or something |
| 20:43.39 | ricky_clarkson | All of what? |
| 20:43.47 | Atrocity | like the drivers won't work in the kernel the install is running |
| 20:44.45 | Atrocity | it happens right after it connects to a mirror and i choose "testing" |
| 20:45.20 | rikva | why doesn't debian have games like enemy territory or america's army in the packages? |
| 20:45.29 | Atrocity | then, like i said , "no kernel modules were found. this is probably due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive." |
| 20:45.36 | maher | rikva: to discourage you from wasting time |
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| 20:45.42 | rikva | :( |
| 20:45.52 | greycat | Atrocity: where did you get these floppy images, and which kernel is it booting? |
| 20:45.54 | Atrocity | if you're installing from a mirror, yo ucan work around this problem by choosing to install a different version of debian. the install will prob. fail to work if you continue without kernel modules" |
| 20:45.56 | blahdeblah | rivka: Mirror angst everywhere? :-) |
| 20:45.58 | maher | rikva: go fix some bugs in gcc |
| 20:45.59 | OvrLrd-Q | is there any built-in restriction to how big /var/cache/apt/archive gets? |
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| 20:46.15 | blahdeblah | rivka: what maher said ;-) |
| 20:46.16 | Atrocity | hmm... |
| 20:46.18 | Atrocity | it's the sarge install |
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| 20:46.41 | valdyn_ | OvrLrd-Q: no |
| 20:46.51 | rikva | maher: I need entertainment! |
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| 20:46.59 | OvrLrd-Q | valdyn_: so it'll just grow w/o checks? |
| 20:47.08 | valdyn_ | OvrLrd-Q: yes |
| 20:47.13 | OvrLrd-Q | icky :/ |
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| 20:47.18 | enrique | hi |
| 20:47.26 | enrique | can someone help me? |
| 20:47.32 | enrique | just 2 simple things |
| 20:47.34 | enrique | first |
| 20:47.35 | valdyn_ | OvrLrd-Q: why is that a problem? |
| 20:47.38 | blahdeblah | rivka: That sounds like a good reason to package it yourself |
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| 20:47.47 | blahdeblah | enrique: hi - just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 20:47.50 | Atrocity | and http://archive.progeny.com/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
| 20:47.53 | OvrLrd-Q | valdyn_: disk space, weird things happen when the drive gets full :) |
| 20:47.57 | enrique | on console, whren you execute a programa, there wwas some kind on parameter for 'no hang up' |
| 20:47.59 | enrique | what was it? |
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| 20:48.06 | greycat | nohup |
| 20:48.09 | enrique | ok |
| 20:48.09 | rikva | blahdeblah: I am just installing debian for the 1st time, so it'll take a while before I can make packages. |
| 20:48.12 | enrique | and second |
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| 20:48.30 | kingsley_ | OvrLrd-Q: Not that I know of. I suggest running a cron job that periodically does an apt-get clean. If you're so inclined, you could embellish it with code to check how much data is in the directory and even use find to remove the oldest packages. |
| 20:48.31 | enrique | i just can't get more than 800x600 resolution |
| 20:48.35 | Atrocity | the only thing i can tell is my isntall floppies are out of date already |
| 20:48.35 | enrique | what shall i do? |
| 20:48.37 | De_Mon | rikva was that a question? |
| 20:48.43 | stew | rikva: are those games' source code under a dfsg-free license? |
| 20:48.46 | Atrocity | or no servers are running the "testing" one |
| 20:48.51 | rikva | De_Mon: no |
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| 20:48.52 | OvrLrd-Q | kingsley_: hmm, k thanks |
| 20:48.57 | greycat | Atrocity: alt-f2, uname -a |
| 20:48.57 | rikva | stew: dunno |
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| 20:49.05 | valdyn_ | OvrLrd-Q: so delete the files, or run apt-get autoclean or apt-get clean |
| 20:49.09 | De_Mon | rikva sorry missed part of the conversation *duck* |
| 20:49.26 | Atrocity | debian 2.4.271-386 |
| 20:49.40 | greycat | hopefully that's -1-386 |
| 20:49.45 | Atrocity | yeah, sorry |
| 20:49.55 | greycat | well that sounds correct for sarge's default kernel... |
| 20:49.56 | enrique | any idea? |
| 20:49.58 | Atrocity | like i said, monitor goes back and forth, so i'm just typing and hoping it's right |
| 20:50.00 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 20:50.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen starving goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:50.02 | enrique | 800x600 is so annoying! |
| 20:50.11 | lionelh | Hello is it possible to convert an EXT2 FS to ext3 FS ? |
| 20:50.13 | stew | rikva: from the enemy-territory website: "To use the source, you must have Visual C++ version 6 or greater installed." that doesn't sound good |
| 20:50.22 | dvs | !ext2->ext3 |
| 20:50.23 | maher | lionelh: yes - tune2fs |
| 20:50.33 | greycat | dvs: there's a bug with ! and -> |
| 20:50.37 | dvs | oh |
| 20:50.39 | rikva | stew: omfg |
| 20:50.47 | greycat | dvs: use "dpkg: ext2->ext3" if you must see it publically |
| 20:50.50 | dvs | dpkg: ext2->ext3 |
| 20:50.50 | dpkg | i heard ext2->ext3 is To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
| 20:51.19 | lionelh | maher: thx because i can't install my woody using bf24 (i can only install using a 2.2.20 kernel so no ext3) |
| 20:51.21 | enrique | i just get 73Hz and then as a max resolution 800x600 |
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| 20:51.34 | Atrocity | greycat: could it be because all the mirrors don't have "testing" on them? jsut support for the other 2? |
| 20:51.35 | enrique | but i would like at least to have 1024x786 |
| 20:51.48 | blahdeblah | stew: that's only for Windoze. You can build it on Linux. zSeries ET anyone? :-) |
| 20:51.53 | carnage | is it possible to mount a5 freebsd partitions in debian? |
| 20:51.58 | greycat | Atrocity: highly unlikely. |
| 20:52.02 | Atrocity | hmm |
| 20:52.13 | greycat | Atrocity: I don't have any idea what's causing this error about "kernel modules". Never heard of it before. |
| 20:52.14 | amahbod | hey, do any of you know of a mac style wallpaper changer? (that fades the backgrounds in and out) |
| 20:52.26 | greycat | Atrocity: try asking #debian-boot |
| 20:52.28 | Atrocity | the other day, i found 1 mirror that worked fine, then today when i went to do it again, i can't find it |
| 20:52.30 | Atrocity | hmm, thx |
| 20:52.39 | greycat | I've done a sarge floppy install before (once) and it worked fine |
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| 20:52.50 | blahdeblah | rivka/stew: There might be some trademark issues over Activision stuff in the content, but i think the source is free enough. |
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| 20:53.25 | amahbod | hey, do any of you know of a mac style wallpaper changer? (that fades the backgrounds in and out) |
| 20:53.29 | zinx | o_O |
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| 20:53.41 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know if a panicing kernel can switch the monitor's display from a graphical desktop in virtual terminal 7 to the console in virtual terminal 1 when shift-scroll-lock is pressed to reveal debugging info? |
| 20:53.47 | zinx | blahdeblah: ET? |
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| 20:53.56 | kingsley_ | amahbod: Perhaps google would find one. |
| 20:54.06 | stew | blahdeblah: what license is the source code released under, where can i download the source? |
| 20:54.16 | amahbod | kingsley_, i tried google, anything i search for is too vague. |
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| 20:54.18 | zinx | ET's source hasn't been released, if that's what you folks are talking about |
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| 20:54.46 | greycat | ET phone home... |
| 20:55.18 | enrique | i'm going crazy |
| 20:55.23 | zinx | if it's ever released, it will probably be GPL'd -- but q3 engine will have to be released first, and the content will still require license agreement and pb will also require a license agreement (though.. it'll be a bit pointless as well) |
| 20:55.23 | enrique | what can i do? |
| 20:55.32 | blahdeblah | greycat: That's showing your age. |
| 20:55.33 | greycat | enrique: /quit |
| 20:55.37 | enrique | just can get more then 800x600 as a screen resolution |
| 20:55.39 | abrotman | AWCmPLX is spamming |
| 20:55.40 | takatumi | enrique: meditate or medicate. |
| 20:55.58 | enrique | all i need is 1024x768 and i'll be fine |
| 20:56.01 | amahbod | AWCmPLX, SPAMMER. |
| 20:56.02 | Atrocity | greycat: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050301 <- that's why |
| 20:56.03 | zinx | but since no one will f'n tell me what's being discussed, and there was only passing mention of something, which happened to be ET, we'll never know if i'm just spewing out random nonsense or not. |
| 20:56.11 | takatumi | !drxx enrique |
| 20:56.12 | blahdeblah | enrique: please state the nature of the resolution emergency... |
| 20:56.12 | dpkg | enrique: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 20:56.21 | greycat | Atrocity: ah. |
| 20:56.33 | abrotman | enrique: don't you think that kind of depends on yuor card and monitor ? |
| 20:56.45 | shadfc | ive just installed sarge on a dell poweredge 2650 (scsi raid). There have been some issues with stability of the raid drivers under high load (and dell wont support debian). What apps can I run for an extended period of time (overnight tonight, at least) to test the RAID? |
| 20:56.47 | greycat | Atrocity: thanks for digging that up |
| 20:56.52 | stew | zinx: blahdeblah was claiming the ET source was released under a free license |
| 20:56.59 | zinx | stew: ah.. he's wrong |
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| 20:57.07 | Atrocity | greycat: joeyh in #debian-boot showed me it, other people were having the same problem |
| 20:57.08 | enrique | what X controller shal i choose? |
| 20:57.12 | stew | zinx: i figured that he was when he didn't provide a source |
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| 20:57.22 | zinx | stew: the source to the game code (for mod developers - it's not the engine) is released, and it's under the standard very non-free id game code license |
| 20:57.46 | stew | zinx: not that i care, i was just answering someones question about why its not in debian archives |
| 20:57.49 | nictuku | Hi. Is "ifconfig eth0:1 <ip> netmask <mask> up" really enough to create an alias? It's not pinging from a remote address.. |
| 20:58.00 | zinx | yeah, it's not in the debian archives because debian can't distribute it :) |
| 20:58.08 | greycat | the good thing about floppies is that they're so small. and reusable. the two good things about floppies are that they're so small and reusable. And they have a protective plastic cover! |
| 20:58.11 | enrique | >>>>>> Please enter the video card's bus identifier |
| 20:58.14 | enrique | what's that??? |
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| 20:58.27 | greycat | enrique: Hit Enter. |
| 20:58.29 | abrotman | enrique: leave it blank |
| 20:58.30 | Atrocity | heh |
| 20:58.47 | takatumi | usbkey bootmedia should become standand. |
| 20:58.55 | greycat | takatumi: give it time. |
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| 20:59.09 | zinx | takatumi: some bioses still won't boot USB :/ |
| 20:59.12 | greycat | we're barely able to get laptops with bootable CD-ROMs now. |
| 20:59.31 | greycat | and ethernet. |
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| 20:59.51 | greycat | anyone who makes a laptop without a built-in 100baseT or gigabit ethernet port needs to die. |
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| 21:00.00 | zinx | hehe |
| 21:00.09 | zinx | wireless plz :( |
| 21:00.14 | takatumi | and a winmodem. |
| 21:00.18 | greycat | wireless is still evil. |
| 21:00.39 | ricky_clarkson | Computers without wires? That's magic, is that. Burn the witches! |
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| 21:01.09 | takatumi | powersupply and cooling needs some work too. |
| 21:01.24 | greycat | and the "work" it needs is lower-power-consumption CPUs. |
| 21:01.35 | enrique | once i have reconfigured all that xfree86 |
| 21:01.41 | greycat | nobody really needs a pentium IV to read their friggin' email. |
| 21:01.43 | enrique | what shall i do to get it working? |
| 21:01.55 | amahbod | hey, do any of you know of a mac style wallpaper changer? (that fades the backgrounds in and out) |
| 21:01.56 | zinx | hehe |
| 21:02.04 | greycat | amahbod: no. google it. |
| 21:02.05 | zinx | i need a fast CPU to program :( |
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| 21:02.15 | takatumi | amahbod: install ion and get it over with. |
| 21:02.20 | greycat | I developed on a 286. |
| 21:02.21 | zinx | computer without me being able to program it is useless :/ |
| 21:02.22 | amahbod | takatumi, what is ion? |
| 21:02.30 | Atrocity | i'm still on a p166, so blah |
| 21:02.35 | zinx | greycat: me too, but not the stuff i typically program now ;) |
| 21:02.40 | greycat | zinx: granted. |
| 21:02.42 | takatumi | amahbod: a WM where you don't have to worry about frigging wallpapers. |
| 21:02.56 | stew | takatumi: what is one where you have to worry? |
| 21:02.56 | amahbod | takatumi, lol. ok. |
| 21:03.01 | amahbod | takatumi, thanks |
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| 21:03.06 | zinx | greycat: 3d stuff tends to not do well with a 366MHz p2-Mobile and crappy neomagic that can't even do 2d at 24bpp |
| 21:03.17 | takatumi | stew: he seems to be in pain. |
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| 21:03.28 | lionelh | hello i have a compaq presario 900 (model 920EA) and i can't boot using the install CD and bf24. i need 2.4.X kernel for the installationhow can i do it (i have try to give "bf24 nomce noapic pic=off" but in this case my network is not recoginze (her module is 8139too)) what is thesolution ? |
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| 21:03.35 | greycat | zinx: I didn't say it had to be an old laptop... just not a high-powered one. |
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| 21:03.45 | enrique | once i have reconfigured xfree86 |
| 21:03.52 | enrique | how can i get it working? |
| 21:03.55 | greycat | zinx: there are lots of "green" CPUs being made these days that would work a lot better in laptops than the typical Dell Pentium IV offering. |
| 21:04.03 | zinx | greycat: non-highpowered ones don't tend to do so well either ;) |
| 21:04.07 | takatumi | enrique: did you hand edit you /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 21:04.12 | enrique | no |
| 21:04.16 | takatumi | s/t you/t your/ |
| 21:04.20 | zinx | greycat: oh, p4's are power hogs |
| 21:04.28 | enrique | takatumi: just did dpkg ...... |
| 21:04.33 | enrique | through a selector |
| 21:04.34 | zinx | greycat: but i need the speed :/ |
| 21:04.46 | zinx | greycat: other processors with similar speed are just fine |
| 21:04.48 | blahdeblah | stew/zinx: I was claiming from ignorance - i had heard that it was available for anyone to modify, but i guess that doesn't imply DFSG-free. |
| 21:05.03 | greycat | zinx: any good recommendations? |
| 21:05.03 | takatumi | enrique: check if what you configured has been written, try starting X, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for errors. |
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| 21:05.27 | lionelh | any idea for my problem ? |
| 21:05.29 | takatumi | what about an amd based one? |
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| 21:05.37 | enrique | takatumi: how do i start X? |
| 21:05.40 | zinx | greycat: i dunno, haven't bothered looking at the recent offerings, since i'm quite poor |
| 21:05.44 | greycat | ah. |
| 21:06.06 | lionelh | enrique : simply type "startx" |
| 21:06.08 | takatumi | enrique: startx of install gdm or another *dm |
| 21:06.09 | zinx | blahdeblah: the -game code- is available for you to modify, but it has a very restrictive license, and certainly isn't the engine |
| 21:06.11 | greycat | I got my wife a $550 wal-mart laptop for her birthday (december), and it's not bad, but I had to buy more RAM for it. |
| 21:06.21 | takatumi | s/of/or |
| 21:06.26 | greycat | mobile athlon CPU of some sort, runs Win XP well enough. |
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| 21:06.36 | travisat | greycat: was the os worthwile |
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| 21:06.39 | lionelh | hello i have a compaq presario 900 (model 920EA) and i can't boot using the install CD and bf24. i need 2.4.X kernel for the installationhow can i do it (i have try to give "bf24 nomce noapic pic=off" but in this case my network is not recoginze (her module is 8139too)) what is thesolution ? |
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| 21:06.53 | greycat | travisat: win XP is fine for her needs. She does webmail and Yahoo Chat. |
| 21:06.59 | desrt | hello. i'm engaged in an argument with dpkg right now |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | travisat: and dancing baby screen savers. |
| 21:07.12 | enrique | takatumi: where can i post the error for some help? |
| 21:07.16 | desrt | i installed a package with --ignore-depends |
| 21:07.19 | travisat | 550 with xp?, I thought the wallmart one came with linspire |
| 21:07.25 | desrt | but now apt is not actually ignoring depends |
| 21:07.30 | greycat | travisat: they have more than one. |
| 21:07.36 | greycat | travisat: the linspire one was $499 or so. |
| 21:07.44 | desrt | every time i apt-get something new it complains |
| 21:07.51 | greycat | travisat: the $550 one has win XP, gigabit, wireless, etc. |
| 21:07.53 | travisat | oh. hmm, my mom wants a laptop, I'll have to check that out |
| 21:08.08 | takatumi | http://www1.shopping.com/xPF-Acer_LX_FR105_023 ? |
| 21:08.10 | greycat | desrt: apt-get -f install |
| 21:08.11 | travisat | I didn't want to get linspire, because thats worse than windows |
| 21:08.23 | desrt | greycat; this isn't really sustainable |
| 21:08.26 | desrt | i don't want to use -f every time |
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| 21:08.31 | takatumi | enrique: /msg dpkg paster |
| 21:08.41 | greycat | desrt: you only have to use it *once* to unfuck what you fucked up.... |
| 21:08.42 | lionelh | can you help for my boot problem ? |
| 21:08.46 | enrique | takatumi: just posted in flood |
| 21:08.47 | stew | desrt: why did you install with --ignore-depends? |
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| 21:08.52 | enrique | sould someone take a look? |
| 21:09.06 | desrt | stew; i wanted to install redhat-artwork and it required gtk1 to be installed |
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| 21:09.14 | Glitch_Master | Heyo. |
| 21:09.15 | greycat | desrt: and...? |
| 21:09.24 | WiseQ | I have a problem, my webserver needs +x on my home directory in order to access my files, however I want to keep other users out. Each user on the system has its own group. Is it possible somehow to block the users out but letting the webserver accessing my directory given that I dont have access to the apache configuration file? |
| 21:09.31 | Glitch_Master | Would anyone happen to know what fonts Flash needs to HAVE TEXT? |
| 21:09.32 | takatumi | enrique: someone should, if you haven't. |
| 21:09.32 | desrt | i didn't want gtk1 so i figured if i used the --ignore-depends that it would install gtk2 and gtk1 parts and the gtk1 parts just wouldn't work (and i wouldn't care). the gtk2 parts are working nicely |
| 21:09.34 | travisat | desrt: redhat used gnome so, is this surprising |
| 21:09.40 | StereoSkit | hi, i have a question (altough non-exactly debian issue), im trying to use rhythmbox in sarge, and it keeps sending me the same err msg "dev/dsp already in use", but nothing is being played |
| 21:09.45 | greycat | WiseQ: only if you can chgrp (the web group) $HOME |
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| 21:10.00 | greycat | WiseQ: then you can use chmod 710 |
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| 21:10.06 | desrt | so now i have exactly what i wanted, but apt is unhappy |
| 21:10.19 | takatumi | desrt: all this for redhat artwork on debian? |
| 21:10.21 | lionelh | hello i have a compaq presario 900 (model 920EA) and i can't boot using the install CD and bf24. i need 2.4.X kernel for the installationhow can i do it (i have try to give "bf24 nomce noapic pic=off" but in this case my network is not recoginze (her module is 8139too)) what is thesolution ? |
| 21:10.21 | travisat | well tell apt some jokes or something |
| 21:10.23 | WiseQ | Greycat; Thanks :) |
| 21:10.24 | StereoSkit | so, does anyone knows. how can i stop the use of /dev/dsp so i can use it with rhythmbox? |
| 21:10.27 | desrt | takatumi; bluecurve is like ... god |
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| 21:10.34 | enrique | takatumi: just a mistake, that was could, not should |
| 21:10.34 | greycat | desrt: gtk2 and gtk1 coexist. they're totally separate libraries. they have nothing in common. there is no conflict. |
| 21:10.39 | travisat | bluecurve < industrial imho |
| 21:10.42 | takatumi | !d-i lionelh |
| 21:10.43 | dpkg | lionelh, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 21:10.44 | desrt | greycat; i'd rather not have gtk1 installed |
| 21:10.52 | stew | desrt: why do you care so much? |
| 21:10.53 | zinx | desrt: then uninstall it |
| 21:10.54 | smacnay | Hello, the debian kernel-source-versionnumber is going to have all the patches that kernel-image-versionnumber has but allow me to customize the kernel and modules? |
| 21:10.56 | greycat | desrt: then build your own redhat-artwork package |
| 21:11.00 | lionelh | takatumi : ??? |
| 21:11.02 | travisat | desrt: why not?, its not that big of deal |
| 21:11.02 | greycat | desrt: with "proper" dependencies |
| 21:11.04 | desrt | zinx; then redhat-artwork gets uninstalled too |
| 21:11.11 | zinx | desrt: then, it gets uninstalled.. |
| 21:11.14 | desrt | greycat; ah. i was afraid it would come to that |
| 21:11.22 | greycat | !info redhat-artwork sarge |
| 21:11.31 | desrt | are there any convenient tools for this? i installed ubuntu like 12 minutes ago |
| 21:11.31 | zinx | that's not even a debian package |
| 21:11.38 | zinx | or at least, it's not in sid |
| 21:11.39 | desrt | i really don't know much about debian at all |
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| 21:11.43 | grigora | what Debian package provides sar? |
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| 21:12.03 | greycat | grigora: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:12.08 | travisat | !beer greycat |
| 21:12.17 | lionelh | dpkg : thanks you i will try to instal sarge then |
| 21:12.18 | dpkg | lionelh: de nada |
| 21:12.31 | stew | man, don't know how you get to that place where you have a freshly installed system and the first thing you want to do is install redhat-artwork |
| 21:12.33 | lionelh | dpkg : "de nada" ??? |
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| 21:12.40 | toukitsune | does debian support XFS? |
| 21:12.46 | greycat | toukitsune: yes. |
| 21:12.54 | enrique | just get an error when i startx |
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| 21:13.01 | ricky_clarkson | lionelh: "it's nothing" in Spanish. |
| 21:13.01 | greycat | !faq enrique |
| 21:13.02 | dpkg | enrique: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:13.03 | takatumi | lionelh: /msg dpkg who are you? |
| 21:13.04 | xcasex | so how about redhat-artwork? |
| 21:13.19 | travisat | uh oh |
| 21:13.19 | enrique | thanks |
| 21:13.27 | toukitsune | Is there package I need to install to make xfs? |
| 21:13.27 | greycat | xcasex: how about /topic |
| 21:13.36 | xcasex | right |
| 21:13.36 | xcasex | well |
| 21:13.36 | greycat | toukitsune: apt-cache search xfs |
| 21:13.45 | xcasex | one of the gnome guys were in here and was kickbanned |
| 21:13.46 | grigora | greycat: apt-cache search sar returns about 379 items, which is why I asked |
| 21:13.53 | xcasex | that's such a great way to treat developers. |
| 21:13.58 | greycat | xcasex: kicked, not kickbanned. because he's not running debian. |
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| 21:14.15 | travisat | ubuntu <> debian |
| 21:14.17 | greycat | asking for help with ubuntu or knoppix in here is VERY bad. |
| 21:14.22 | xcasex | greycat, no because you kicked him right before he mentioned he was packaging a deb. |
| 21:14.41 | greycat | 16:11 desrt> are there any convenient tools for this? i installed ubuntu like |
| 21:14.41 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.46 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
| 21:14.51 | PerfDave | xcasex: Packaging a deb needn't have anything to do with Debian. |
| 21:14.58 | toukitsune | kk so last question. ist there a way to install debian from the start on xfs? |
| 21:15.02 | aidehua | Lots of freenode spambots nowadays, I see. |
| 21:15.05 | xcasex | no but it's more likely you guys know about it |
| 21:15.08 | stew | xcasex: if he's a gnome developer, he should know enough to read the /topic |
| 21:15.10 | ricky_clarkson | aidehua: /umode +E |
| 21:15.15 | xcasex | lol |
| 21:15.15 | grigora | FYI, sar is provided by sysstat |
| 21:15.20 | Ronin | aidehua: more here it seems then a lot of other channels |
| 21:15.20 | xcasex | this place will never change |
| 21:15.20 | travisat | toukitsune: I don't know, does grup support xfs? |
| 21:15.22 | StereoSkit | greycat, do you by any chance know how to empty, stop or liberate /dev/dsp of being used? |
| 21:15.34 | greycat | StereoSkit: kill whatever's using it. fuser, lsof. |
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| 21:15.37 | travisat | s/grup/grub/ |
| 21:15.41 | takatumi | xcasex: if it does, it'll probably go all quiet. |
| 21:15.47 | PerfDave | xcasex: If he's packaging for Ubuntu, he should read the Ubuntu packaging docs. If he's packaging for Debian, he should read the Debian packaging docs. |
| 21:15.57 | aidehua | command* |
| 21:16.03 | PerfDave | xcasex: There are very few people in here who are actually active package maintainers. |
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| 21:16.18 | Ronin | aidehua: i think dpkg also has a nospam.pl script for irssi that works nicely |
| 21:16.18 | travisat | aidehua: it isn't? |
| 21:16.26 | xcasex | oh well then, so this is just a backpatting session on irc? |
| 21:16.29 | travisat | aidehua: try UMODE |
| 21:16.30 | ricky_clarkson | xcasex: This is a Debian user support channel. It does pretty well for Debian users. There are other channels for other purposes. Most of us don't know about packaging debs, just using them. #debian-devel is such a channel, but they are interested in Debian, not Ubuntu, so they might not react kindly either (I don't know). |
| 21:16.46 | xcasex | yeah, so kicking him is the right solution? |
| 21:16.55 | stew | aidehua: /mode aidehua +E |
| 21:16.56 | takatumi | but why redhat-artwork on debian? |
| 21:17.04 | ricky_clarkson | xcasex: I agree it was a bit heavy-handed, but his question wasn't going to get answered here anyway. |
| 21:17.09 | xcasex | why anything but simple takatumi ? |
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| 21:17.23 | aidehua | stew: rock on! |
| 21:17.37 | travisat | aidehua: umode works like mode |
| 21:17.40 | stew | xcasex: he wasn't asking about packaging he was asking about how to unbreak his ubuntu system he had broken |
| 21:17.40 | xcasex | ricky_clarkson, yeah. |
| 21:17.59 | xcasex | Stew funny we're helping him package it right now in #gnomehackers. |
| 21:18.30 | ricky_clarkson | xcasex: Either way, you have your answer. We'll stare at greycat for a bit in your honour. |
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| 21:18.41 | xcasex | lol |
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| 21:18.55 | xcasex | whatever, just get a new release out the door before longhorn is released |
| 21:19.01 | deby | any fresh news about a Cell based computer ? |
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| 21:19.11 | stew | whatever |
| 21:19.23 | Ribs | Hi, I am trying to install php4-mysql in Debian sarge, and am a bit confused by what apt-get is wanting to install, can anyone help me with this? |
| 21:19.30 | Glitch_Master | I suppose nobody knows what fonts Flash needs and how to install them, then, eh? |
| 21:19.32 | StereoSkit | greycat, tnx! worked! |
| 21:19.43 | ricky_clarkson | Ribs: What is it trying to install that you're confused about? |
| 21:19.53 | KirbyMeister | Apparantly, there's some guy on eBay selling Mepis CDs |
| 21:20.08 | Ribs | namely, caudium |
| 21:20.10 | greycat | KirbyMeister: should we care? |
| 21:20.13 | KirbyMeister | no |
| 21:20.16 | Ribs | which appears to be a web server I've never heard of before |
| 21:20.17 | greycat | ok. |
| 21:20.17 | KirbyMeister | you shouldnt |
| 21:20.20 | Capricous | I saw that Kirby, and they are old versions |
| 21:20.23 | KirbyMeister | it's just a good pickupline |
| 21:20.24 | deadcat | KirbyMeister: assholes on craigslist selling linux cds at a HIGH price too. |
| 21:20.27 | Ribs | I already have apache installed, so I don't know why it's wanting this |
| 21:20.30 | KirbyMeister | plus it's funny |
| 21:20.32 | aidehua | dpkg: tnx |
| 21:20.33 | dpkg | Really, "Thank you" will do. It's not too much to ask, is it? |
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| 21:20.42 | greycat | heh |
| 21:20.53 | aidehua | dpkg: Thank you |
| 21:20.53 | dpkg | de rien, aidehua |
| 21:20.56 | deadcat | KirbyMeister: i am pretty sure those are windows users selling linux cds |
| 21:21.03 | PerfDave | So did xcasex just come in here to give us a hard time for not supporting Ubuntu or what? |
| 21:21.04 | jclinton | Anyone know what the status of Gnome 2.10 for experimental is? Or where I can find out? |
| 21:21.12 | PerfDave | jclinton: If you have to ask... |
| 21:21.25 | jclinton | s/exerpimental/unstable |
| 21:21.26 | greycat | jclinton: I thought *you* were doing it! |
| 21:21.27 | aidehua | I'm eating ice cubes. I just put one in my mouth and heard a loud cracking sound. For a nanosecond, I thought it was my tooth cracking. |
| 21:21.30 | travisat | I have 9 ubuntu, freshly packaged cds, does anybody want to buy them for 10$ a peice. you will get a free live-cd if you act quick |
| 21:21.32 | PerfDave | jclinton: If you have to ask... |
| 21:21.34 | jclinton | greycat, hehe |
| 21:21.36 | greycat | jclinton: damn! no wonder it's not done yet! |
| 21:21.45 | KirbyMeister | bwahahaha |
| 21:21.47 | Delph | travisat: those the CDs they were giving away by the boxload a while back? |
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| 21:21.50 | jclinton | ol |
| 21:21.53 | travisat | Delph: you betcha |
| 21:21.54 | KirbyMeister | travisay, I'll buy one |
| 21:21.59 | Delph | travisat: for free? |
| 21:22.03 | travisat | Delph: yep |
| 21:22.08 | Delph | i mean, i like use them as coasters. |
| 21:22.10 | KirbyMeister | travisay: I'll pay $-10 for them! |
| 21:22.17 | ribnitz | hey people my exim mail logs no longer rotate... |
| 21:22.21 | travisat | Delph: they work better as frisbees |
| 21:22.22 | jclinton | PerfDave, what do you mean? |
| 21:22.24 | ribnitz | where would I fix that? |
| 21:22.57 | PerfDave | jclinton: I mean that if you're using unstable or experimental packages, you should be able to figure things like that out for yourself ;) |
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| 21:23.29 | jclinton | PerfDave, so you're saying... there is such a thing as a stupid question and I just asked one? |
| 21:23.31 | aidehua | ...putting the 'mental' back into experimental. |
| 21:23.51 | travisat | jclinton: you are the exception to every rule |
| 21:23.54 | petemc | ribnitz: is the script ok in /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base? |
| 21:23.58 | PerfDave | jclinton: It's not a stupid question, necessarily, but it's one you should already know the answer to ;) |
| 21:24.09 | jclinton | I'm new. |
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| 21:24.25 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 21:24.25 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:24.36 | travisat | jclinton: so how long out of the womb, 2 days, four months? |
| 21:24.36 | PerfDave | jclinton: If you're new, you shouldn't be running unstable ;) |
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| 21:24.50 | ribnitz | petemc: looks ok. |
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| 21:25.01 | aidehua | I love the sid FAQ :) Q1: blah blah blah? A1: don't use sid. Q1: blah b-blah? A2: don't use sid. |
| 21:25.07 | jclinton | Look, I'm just wanting to know the location of the gnome teams dev page. |
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| 21:25.21 | greycat | aidehua: heh |
| 21:25.25 | deadcat | aidehua: HAHAHAHAH |
| 21:25.37 | BadMan_ | xchat kinda bites.... does bitchx have a debian package for ssh/term useage? |
| 21:25.38 | valdyn_ | jclinton: look at alioth.debian.org, dont expect to find much useful |
| 21:25.40 | timewarp | Hi I cannot restart my alsa- alsactl restore ----- No state is present for card Bt878 -- I just want to restore my settings for my via82xx. ? |
| 21:25.41 | greycat | jclinton: debian developers have mailing lists, not web pages. |
| 21:25.48 | ribnitz | petemc: at least looks like all the others in that dir |
| 21:25.58 | Capricous | the reason people use sid is because guides recommend you do so you can get the newest packages - maybe someone should tell the debian reviewers |
| 21:25.58 | jclinton | Ok, so where's the mailing list? |
| 21:25.59 | KirbyMeister | Hey, [verb] the [obscure nown] and get a free* [trendy tech item] *See details |
| 21:26.06 | greycat | BadMan_: try irssi-text |
| 21:26.14 | PerfDave | aidehua: It is a good FAQ, it gives the right answers. |
| 21:26.17 | BadMan_ | greycat thanks |
| 21:26.18 | petemc | ribnitz: premissions on the log directory and files ok? |
| 21:26.21 | drac | timewarp: How about running alsaconf again, and dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base. |
| 21:26.22 | streuner | aidehua: that's for some hardcore wannabees to shock them ;-) |
| 21:26.22 | valdyn_ | timewarp: that looks like an info message, not like an error |
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| 21:26.47 | PerfDave | Capricous: It's not our fault that (a) reviewers are retarded and (b) people listen to them |
| 21:27.05 | Capricous | by no means :) |
| 21:27.06 | KirbyMeister | timewarp: I have the same problem, Alsa sees my TV tuner as a sound card. try alsactl -c 1 restore |
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| 21:27.15 | timewarp | I run alsaconf after every boot |
| 21:27.16 | jclinton | greycat, so where's the active mailing list? |
| 21:27.24 | greycat | jclinton: lists.debian.org |
| 21:27.27 | greycat | jclinton: if there is one. |
| 21:27.36 | ribnitz | petemc: rw-r--r-- for the files (root.root) |
| 21:27.40 | drac | timewarp: and dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base to choose mixer saving options .. |
| 21:27.41 | jclinton | greycat, no, that's not the active mailing list |
| 21:27.52 | streuner | timewarp: sounds like you have kudzu installed? |
| 21:27.57 | greycat | jclinton: then maybe there is no gnome team. |
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| 21:28.07 | greycat | jclinton: or maybe it's a secret cabal. |
| 21:28.11 | jclinton | Does anyone knew what medium the Debian Gnome packagers use to communicate with each other? |
| 21:28.16 | travisat | kudzu? mwuhahahah, somebody is up to their heads in poison ivy |
| 21:28.18 | PerfDave | greycat: TINC*fnord*TINC |
| 21:28.19 | jclinton | greycat, thanks for your hypothesis. |
| 21:28.21 | valdyn_ | your tv tuner _is_ among other things, a sound card |
| 21:28.22 | timewarp | streuner: no |
| 21:28.30 | PerfDave | jclinton: Doris Stokes |
| 21:28.40 | petemc | ribnitz: needs to be root:adm, the files in there belong to Debian-exim and adm |
| 21:28.40 | jclinton | Why are you all being asses? |
| 21:28.47 | greycat | PerfDave: too bad Madame Cleo was busy |
| 21:28.48 | xam | jclinton: pigeons |
| 21:28.52 | aidehua | I have some boxes at home that point(ed) at sid. I haven't updated them for a while, so the packages they have will probably now be in testing, or usurped by new sid ones. I have an apt-pin in testing. How could I see which packages are in sid and which are in sarge? |
| 21:28.56 | valdyn_ | maybe a quite crippled one, but theres nothing bad about alsa saving its mixer settings |
| 21:28.57 | jclinton | If you don't know the answer don't be a smart ass, please. |
| 21:29.00 | greycat | jclinton: because gnome sucks and you didn't read the /topic and we don't fucking CARE about your question? |
| 21:29.09 | jclinton | THEN DONT ANSWER |
| 21:29.09 | aidehua | Should I just re-install and then read Sid FAQ A1, A2 ... AN? |
| 21:29.10 | ricky_clarkson | jclinton: What's your question? |
| 21:29.11 | PerfDave | greycat: Is Doris Stokes a UK-centric reference, or is it more international than that? |
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| 21:29.21 | petemc | ribnitz: gah, i mean it should be Debian-exim adm |
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| 21:29.25 | travisat | jclinton: just install fvwm and be happy for a change |
| 21:29.25 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: apparently he seems to think we know the secrets of the debian universe |
| 21:29.36 | jethro | don't we? |
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| 21:29.40 | travisat | and if that doesn't work use ion3 |
| 21:29.40 | greycat | PerfDave: dunno. never heard of her, but I don't follow that sort of thing. |
| 21:29.43 | jclinton | ricky_clarkson, I'm looking for the gnome packager's mailing list or whereever they communicate |
| 21:29.49 | valdyn_ | jclinton: just for you i was just on their website |
| 21:29.54 | greycat | PerfDave: I deduced who she is from context |
| 21:29.58 | valdyn_ | jclinton: where its written : their mailing list |
| 21:29.58 | travisat | and last but not least use ratpoison. |
| 21:30.02 | PerfDave | jclinton: Google may be your best bet. |
| 21:30.08 | travisat | or 9wm, that'll teach ya |
| 21:30.09 | PerfDave | greycat: Fair enough. |
| 21:30.12 | jclinton | PerfDave, tried that |
| 21:30.17 | jclinton | valdyn_, which web site? |
| 21:30.26 | travisat | aidehua: I love ion3 |
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| 21:30.40 | ricky_clarkson | jclinton: Which gnome package? Just gnome? |
| 21:30.41 | ricky_clarkson | !maint gnome |
| 21:30.42 | aidehua | I want to love ion3, but I'm still using ion2, which I love. |
| 21:30.49 | abrotman | jclinton: debian-gnome@lists.debian.org iirc |
| 21:30.51 | jclinton | ricky_clarkson, yes |
| 21:30.51 | ribnitz | user names are case sensitive? |
| 21:30.54 | valdyn_ | jclinton: <spoonfeed>http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:30.58 | timewarp | KirbyMeister: exactly the problem, but still does not work |
| 21:31.01 | travisat | ion3 has a statusbar with the time. me likes that |
| 21:31.02 | abrotman | guess not |
| 21:31.05 | jclinton | abrotman, that list is inactive |
| 21:31.08 | aidehua | Is it wrong to try and love two ions? I don't want ion2 to get mad. |
| 21:31.09 | dpkg | gnome: Jordi Mallach <jordi@debian.org> |
| 21:31.26 | jclinton | valdyn_, thank you |
| 21:31.28 | ricky_clarkson | jclinton: jordi@debian.org is the gnome package maintainer. |
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| 21:31.36 | jclinton | ricky_clarkson, thank ou |
| 21:31.40 | PerfDave | jclinton: Why do you want the gnome packager's mailing list anyway? If you've got a bug, file a bug in the BTS. |
| 21:31.42 | travisat | ion3 is like ion2s new brother, they lobe each other. |
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| 21:32.00 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: I think he'll learn over time, don't stress. |
| 21:32.00 | jclinton | PerfDave, it's not a bug but thanks for your suggestion |
| 21:32.07 | xam | travisat: is there a chemical reaction going on between them? |
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| 21:32.28 | travisat | xam: hmm incestual chemical relationships... |
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| 21:32.49 | ricky_clarkson | jclinton: It's generally easier if you don't get worked up in IRC. If somebody gives a stupid answer, just ignore it. |
| 21:32.58 | abrotman | jclinton: i guess |
| 21:33.00 | phil_ | I'm getting quite of few of these messages from dpkg: |
| 21:33.04 | xst | I have a strange problem: In .asoundrc I have specified a dmix device. When I use "aplay somefile.wav" it plays just fine but if I send it through my dmix device, dsp0, with the command "aplay -D dsp0 somefile.wav" the sound is disturbed with some noise. Any ideas why? |
| 21:33.05 | phil_ | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libwrap0' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 21:33.07 | abrotman | jclinton: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ? |
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| 21:33.18 | jclinton | abrotman, thanks |
| 21:33.19 | greycat | phil_: apt-get --reinstall install libwrap0 |
| 21:33.25 | phil_ | how can I re-install these packages (which are actually installed) |
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| 21:33.26 | greycat | phil_: make sure /var isn't full, etc. |
| 21:33.27 | phil_ | thanks greycat |
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| 21:33.30 | ribnitz | is there a way to get something close to solaris lightweight processes in linux? |
| 21:33.43 | travisat | ribnitz: install solaris? |
| 21:33.46 | aidehua | Debian GNU/SunOS? |
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| 21:33.51 | aidehua | There's an idea. |
| 21:33.51 | dafresh | hi all, what is the most secure between proftpd and wu-ftpd ? |
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| 21:34.05 | drac | dafresh: vsftpd |
| 21:34.10 | travisat | dafresh: dunno, I like proftpd though |
| 21:34.13 | zinx | ribnitz: what are they like? |
| 21:34.15 | streuner | dafresh: if you have to ask don't use ftp then |
| 21:34.19 | zinx | ribnitz: __clone is pretty lightweight |
| 21:34.35 | dafresh | drac: perso. i use pure-ftpd but i need a webmin support for my webmaster ... |
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| 21:34.46 | zinx | ribnitz: linux implements fork as copy-on-write, so that's somewhat lightweight as well |
| 21:34.46 | green_earz | dafresh: proftpd is more secure |
| 21:34.49 | ribnitz | travisat: reading is a skill no all people have. |
| 21:35.02 | dafresh | streuner: gni ? |
| 21:35.07 | travisat | ribnitz: hooked on phoenics worked for me |
| 21:35.11 | greycat | ribnitz: it's a prerequisite for using debian. |
| 21:35.12 | dafresh | green_earz: oki ... |
| 21:35.13 | streuner | dafresh: pardon? |
| 21:35.15 | drac | dafresh: doesn't really matter what ftpd you use, since make your system vulnerable enough :( |
| 21:35.27 | drac | err.. webmin does |
| 21:35.28 | zinx | ribnitz: without knowing what you mean, i can't really provide much more than that.. |
| 21:36.00 | dafresh | streuner: ;), have you an alternative for the web service ? |
| 21:36.19 | aidehua | Typing is a skill few peope have. |
| 21:36.25 | streuner | dafresh: why do you think you need a ftp-server at all? |
| 21:36.30 | petemc | i cn tyke ok |
| 21:36.37 | greycat | if COMMAND; then .... |
| 21:36.37 | travisat | aidehua: yet so many people type |
| 21:36.39 | greycat | bah. |
| 21:36.44 | dvs | sew con eye |
| 21:37.03 | dafresh | streuner: ... because all webmaster use the ftp protocole for upload web site, it is a standard thing .. |
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| 21:37.24 | streuner | dafresh: what's about ssh? |
| 21:37.25 | ribnitz | zinx: Solaris provides the model of a lighhtweight thread permitting to share most of the common information between such threads. |
| 21:37.27 | travisat | dafresh: telnet lets you upload stuff to |
| 21:37.30 | takatumi | dafresh: scp |
| 21:38.07 | FieldySnuts | since when can you upload things with telnet? |
| 21:38.13 | dafresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.13 | travisat | since I said so |
| 21:38.21 | FieldySnuts | @lart travisat for being a troll |
| 21:38.37 | travisat | ravenbirds back!! |
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| 21:38.50 | dafresh | travisat: telnet do everything you want ;) |
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| 21:38.53 | travisat | @cigar me |
| 21:38.54 | takatumi | dafresh: no, putty on winbloze does scp. |
| 21:38.54 | grigora | anyone knows of a good document that describes how to tune a RAID5/ext3 setup? |
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| 21:39.27 | travisat | dafresh: telnet is like god, I mean I can watch ascii starwars with it |
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| 21:39.38 | dafresh | takatumi: yeah but what about my clients config / habitudes ( is "habitudes" an english word ? ) |
| 21:39.46 | streuner | dafresh: winscp.sf.net |
| 21:40.04 | ribnitz | grigora: raid howto? |
| 21:40.10 | takatumi | dafresh: you need better clients :P |
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| 21:40.20 | dafresh | takatumi: yeah right ... |
| 21:40.25 | enrique | need help |
| 21:40.27 | ribnitz | grigora: and get away form ext3, if you want contemporary performance |
| 21:40.30 | enrique | i reconfigured xfree86 |
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| 21:40.40 | enrique | and everything's now fine except for the mouse |
| 21:40.43 | grigora | ribnitz: i have followed the instructions there, but I am still getting very bad throughput |
| 21:40.43 | enrique | it's gone crazy!! |
| 21:40.45 | travisat | ribnitz: why ext3 works just fine |
| 21:41.01 | grigora | ribnitz: which fs would you use? |
| 21:41.02 | enrique | shall i reconfigure xfree86 again?? |
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| 21:41.26 | aidehua | telnet> also, love nc # echo -e 'GET / HTTP/1.0\nHost: slashdot.org\n' | nc www.slashdot.org 80 | grep -E '(Bender|Fry)' |
| 21:41.36 | streuner | dafresh: so you wanna transfer data between your windows and your linux box? |
| 21:41.42 | dvs | enrique: USB mouse? |
| 21:41.47 | ribnitz | grigora: I use ext3 (boot partition), xfs (var and usr) and jfs (home, everything else). |
| 21:41.52 | greycat | aidehua: grep -e |
| 21:41.53 | enrique | dvs: ps/2 |
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| 21:42.01 | greycat | errr, no, sorry. |
| 21:42.02 | enrique | but i chose netscrollps/2 |
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| 21:42.07 | dafresh | streuner: it already done, but i need a "simple" mechanism for my webmaster ... |
| 21:42.08 | enrique | could that be the problem? |
| 21:42.17 | dvs | enrique: no |
| 21:42.26 | enrique | so what can it be? |
| 21:42.34 | dafresh | streuner: i have do an ldap / pure-ftpd config but he found it complex .. |
| 21:42.34 | enrique | buttons works really strange |
| 21:42.37 | dvs | enrique: gpm? |
| 21:42.39 | enrique | things move when mouse moves |
| 21:42.44 | enrique | gpm?? |
| 21:42.47 | enrique | dvs: gpm? |
| 21:42.53 | ribnitz | travisat: I am talking about adbvanced fs things, like speed, the ability to provide files bigger than 4 gigs, the ability not to slow down when dirs clutter up.. |
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| 21:43.12 | dvs | enrique: Do you have gpm installed? |
| 21:43.19 | enrique | not sure |
| 21:43.20 | enrique | let me check |
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| 21:43.33 | grigora | anyone knows how to tune a RAID5/ext3 setup? |
| 21:43.43 | enrique | dvs: how can i check it through console? |
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| 21:44.00 | enrique | apt-cache search (what else?) |
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| 21:44.03 | enrique | -l? |
| 21:44.04 | dvs | enrique: dpkg -l gpm |
| 21:44.06 | aidehua | D minor is good for melancholy. |
| 21:44.06 | ribnitz | travisat: and when you compare ext3 on a direcroy with 15k files in it to say xfs, or jfs, ext3 looks extremely bad. |
| 21:44.16 | Atrocity | yay, the installs running now! |
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| 21:44.28 | travisat | ribnitz: well, yeah, but how often do you do those things? |
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| 21:44.34 | pipeline | ribnitz: Because we all have 15,000 file directories. |
| 21:44.55 | enrique | dvs:not there |
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| 21:45.03 | enrique | dvs: it tells me there's nothing |
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| 21:45.24 | dvs | enrique: Then I don't know what it is. |
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| 21:45.38 | enrique | how can i reconfigure xfree86? |
| 21:45.40 | travisat | ribnitz: if you want a hardcore fs, use reiser4, otherwise ext3 should work just fine |
| 21:45.52 | ribnitz | pipeline: A server acting as a mail server.. |
| 21:45.53 | dvs | dpkg: drxx |
| 21:45.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 # Run it as root! |
| 21:45.54 | enrique | dvs: dpkg reconfigure xserver -xfree86 ??? |
| 21:46.09 | ribnitz | travisat: I dont trust reiser4. |
| 21:46.12 | greycat | enrique: you spelled it wrong. |
| 21:46.16 | enrique | i see |
| 21:46.16 | ribnitz | travisat: not well tested. |
| 21:46.42 | DimmuR|away | Hi. I'm using courier-imap. After installing courier everything works fine until I reboot. Then i got error: "imaplogin: couriertls: connect: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number" Any ideas how to solve it? |
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| 21:47.06 | travisat | ribnitz: well jfs is your best choice then, I guess |
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| 21:47.15 | enrique | greycat: can u spell it correctly? :$ |
| 21:47.18 | pipeline | travisat: JFS? hahahhahah |
| 21:47.23 | ribnitz | travisat: thats why< i use it |
| 21:47.29 | phil_ | problem doesn't resolve: |
| 21:47.33 | phil_ | Unpacking replacement libid3tag0 ... |
| 21:47.33 | phil_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libid3tag0_0.15.1b-4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 21:47.33 | phil_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.34 | travisat | pipeline: its been probably the most tested |
| 21:47.41 | FieldySnuts | don't flood... |
| 21:47.50 | pipeline | travisat: I didn't realize that anyone used JFS on linux. |
| 21:48.01 | travisat | pipeline: you can, |
| 21:48.04 | FieldySnuts | i tried it once, didn't find anything special |
| 21:48.07 | phil_ | FieldySnuts: what is the limit for pastebinning in this chan? |
| 21:48.11 | pipeline | travisat: I'm aware that you can, I didn't realize that anyone *did* |
| 21:48.18 | FieldySnuts | phil_: you went over it, so i'm not sure why a bot didn't nab you |
| 21:48.20 | travisat | pipeline: ribnitz does |
| 21:48.22 | enrique | >>>>> dpkg --reconfigure xserver -xfree86 ??? |
| 21:48.25 | ribnitz | pipeline: jfs and xfs both offer superior performance to ext3, have been well tested, and work well for the situation they have been conceived. |
| 21:48.29 | phil_ | well, tell me what it is |
| 21:48.30 | FieldySnuts | phil_: 3, but people still get highly annoyed by 3 |
| 21:48.33 | deadcat | enrique: no |
| 21:48.37 | zinx | phil_: the limit is, don't paste anything that's over 1 line |
| 21:48.37 | phil_ | k |
| 21:48.41 | enrique | deadcat: how then? |
| 21:48.42 | takatumi | ntpdate[21636]: adjust time server 193.0.234.71 offset -0.113825 sec |
| 21:48.45 | drini | any idea why hdparm may be refusing to set dma to true? |
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| 21:48.46 | FieldySnuts | @lart takatumi |
| 21:48.46 | zinx | phil_: but it's not _that_ strictly enforced |
| 21:48.55 | deadcat | enrique: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:49.06 | drini | hdparm -d1 /dev/hda says |
| 21:49.07 | zinx | phil_: if you need to paste something, use the paste bot |
| 21:49.08 | Henning | Does debian have some sort of recommended way to init a firewall? Any scripts or simular? |
| 21:49.09 | pipeline | ribnitz: My bets are on XFS. |
| 21:49.12 | ribnitz | drini: also set access mode, and the -c |
| 21:49.21 | drini | /dev/hda: |
| 21:49.21 | drini | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.21 | drini | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.22 | drini | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.30 | drini | I set -c3 -u1 |
| 21:49.33 | ribnitz | pipeline: works fine, but does not like power failure |
| 21:49.40 | FieldySnuts | xfs is nice, but you better have it on a battery backup, xfs reacts like shit to power losses. it was designed for systems in a data center (with very good power backups) |
| 21:49.41 | drini | but -d1 fails |
| 21:49.48 | drini | and I know it's supported (I've done it on other distros) |
| 21:49.51 | aidehua | All geeks on channel, listen in: I've found the most awesome hacking food. |
| 21:49.55 | aidehua | Ice cubes. |
| 21:50.01 | FieldySnuts | drini: your chipset isn't enabled in the kernel then |
| 21:50.05 | takatumi | that update seems to work, but my time is off a few (21:57 UTC now) |
| 21:50.17 | aidehua | Given you have to wark yourself up to counteract their coldness, they actually contain negative calories! |
| 21:50.17 | pipeline | ribnitz, FieldySnuts: And the same isn't true of Reiser or JFS? That's the way modern, journalled filesystems are. |
| 21:50.18 | travisat | aidehua: wtf? lets be like penguins and eat ice??? |
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| 21:50.29 | aidehua | The *ultimate* snack food. |
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| 21:50.38 | aidehua | Plus, you don't need to drink. |
| 21:50.40 | pipeline | aidehua: Why would I want to eat food with negative calorie value? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of eating? |
| 21:50.41 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: i've beaten the living shit out of reiserfs3 and have used it at home and in production for years, i'm satisfied with it |
| 21:50.42 | dvs | aidehua: Just like celery |
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| 21:50.51 | ribnitz | pipeline: jfs has been designed to offer ACID. |
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| 21:50.57 | drini | hmm... I'm avoiding that, for some reason debian won't let me boot from kernels I manually compile :\ |
| 21:50.57 | FieldySnuts | xfs is particularly sensitive to power losses |
| 21:50.59 | buu | Anyplace I could look besides syslog to see why I got a kernel panic? |
| 21:51.18 | Gumby | if I have compiled a kernel from source is there a way to rebuild its modules (or even specific modules) without recompiling the whole kernel? |
| 21:51.20 | jjazz | Is there any way to keep a process alive and running even after I log out? |
| 21:51.25 | takatumi | any suggestions on my time issue? |
| 21:51.26 | aidehua | pipeline: as in a snack food, for habitual eating while hacking (a common theme, IMHE) |
| 21:51.31 | buu | jjazz: nohup and background |
| 21:51.33 | zinx | jjazz: disown it |
| 21:51.41 | FieldySnuts | i have experimented with reiser4, but not in any stressful conditions. the speed increase was unignorably faster. |
| 21:51.48 | jjazz | thanks |
| 21:51.48 | ribnitz | pipeline: so the thing either is on the disk or isnt. with xfs you might have some other alterations in storage. |
| 21:52.00 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: As long as Hans Reiser is involved in ReiserFS development, I'll have nothing to do with it. The man is clearly an idiot. |
| 21:52.17 | ribnitz | pipeline: is he? |
| 21:52.18 | dvs | ha! |
| 21:52.24 | FieldySnuts | no need for personal attacks, i'll be sure to remember that when taking your opinions from now on |
| 21:52.29 | zinx | pipeline: FWIW, that's very much reflected in the performance (or lack-thereof) of reiserfs |
| 21:52.41 | FieldySnuts | xfs reacts to power losses badly because it so agressively caches in ram. you lose power, poof. bye bye data. |
| 21:52.45 | pipeline | ribnitz: yes, but is that ACID enabled by default? XFS real-time support offers the same sort of functionality. |
| 21:52.49 | FieldySnuts | but if you have good power and good power backups, xfs is great |
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| 21:52.55 | pipeline | zinx: Is it? I thought ReiserFS performed pretty well. |
| 21:53.04 | ribnitz | pipeline: yes, it is. |
| 21:53.14 | takatumi | my reiser drive has taken about 20 abrupt shutdowns and is yet to lose data. |
| 21:53.23 | zinx | pipeline: nope.. reiserfs3 isn't even worth mentioning, reiserfs4 barely manages to not suck speedwise, but it's still pretty crappy as far as robustness goes |
| 21:53.26 | FieldySnuts | reiserfs is fast at medium files , sort of slow with large ones, extremely fast with small files. xfs is very fast at large files, so so at medium and very slow with small files |
| 21:53.33 | drini | the chipset is the one that contains "bridge" in the lspci output, right? |
| 21:53.44 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Let's put it this way: Hans Reiser is on record saying some very foolish things. I jumped to the conclusion that he's an idiot. |
| 21:53.52 | jjazz | I've never lost data with ext3, no matter how many times I've kicked the plug. I have had instability with Reiser, though. |
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| 21:54.07 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: yeah i've been through plenty with reiser3, personally what i've found is the reiser bashers seem to find it an easy target, without much actual reason. fine with me, i know better |
| 21:54.09 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: Also, benchmarks don't hold up your conclusions about XFS. The performance is just fine at all file sizes, it's just unusually good at extremely large values. |
| 21:54.10 | jjazz | I'm sticking with ext3 for now |
| 21:54.33 | FieldySnuts | pipeline: i'm not even reading anything you say due to the lame personal attacks, so you can stop typing in my general direction |
| 21:54.55 | pipeline | jjazz: I moved to XFS because ext3 was unsuitable for use on top of LVM. The "grow" support was poor. |
| 21:54.59 | takatumi | http://www.antrix.net/journal/techtalk/reiserfs_data_recovery_howto.comments would anything similar be possible on any other filesystem? |
| 21:55.00 | travisat | for normal cicumstances mosts fs are about the same |
| 21:55.00 | pipeline | FieldySnuts: I suggest you take the next step and /ignore me. |
| 21:55.05 | phil_ | dpkg alternately complains that my files list file for several packages is missing, then, when re-installing the package, it complains that it already exists: http://paste.phpfi.com/53938 |
| 21:55.05 | dpkg | that's too long, phil_ |
| 21:55.10 | buu | Quick question. I was copying a 40 gb folder from one hard drive to another. It crashed in mid copy. Is there any prebuilt tool that can 'resume' the copy easily? |
| 21:55.19 | pipeline | buu: rsync |
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| 21:55.29 | pipeline | buu: Despite the name, rsync can copy local files |
| 21:55.32 | FieldySnuts | buu: rsync, be sure to read it's man page, particularly the -a and -D options |
| 21:55.35 | buu | Ok. |
| 21:55.38 | buu | Thanks. |
| 21:56.11 | takatumi | what's the time now? |
| 21:56.17 | FieldySnuts | Thu Mar 10 21:56:19 UTC 2005 |
| 21:56.26 | aidehua | takatumi: March |
| 21:56.29 | takatumi | damn why is my time off! |
| 21:56.33 | FieldySnuts | and also time to buy a watch |
| 21:56.44 | takatumi | 7 minutes ahead. |
| 21:57.05 | FieldySnuts | not saying mine is perfect, we have an ntpd which syncs to mit, and this system asks our local ntpd every 2 hours |
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| 21:57.23 | jjazz | zinx: Is there anyway to reown a disowned process after I log in again? |
| 21:57.32 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: ntpdate[21636]: adjust time server 193.0.234.71 offset -0.113825 sec |
| 21:57.35 | digital_ | gn :) |
| 21:57.39 | takatumi | still off. |
| 21:58.00 | Space_NL | hi .. i asked in #blackbox .. but they seem to be dead .. does anyone know how/where to change background (not theme .. just background pic) |
| 21:58.15 | FieldySnuts | takatumi: try using pool.ntp.org , it points to a ton of different ntp servers, a different one each time in fact |
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| 21:58.23 | aidehua | Space_NL: xsetroot? |
| 21:58.33 | jjazz | Space_NL: esetroot? |
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| 21:59.02 | domran | my cd drive is dead and i'm planning to get a new drive for my laptop to install debian.. anyone has any info about buying/installing a new cdrom drive into a laptop ? |
| 21:59.16 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: I don't think it's anything to do with the ntp servers, there's some offset of 7 mins on my machine. moved /etc/adjtime out of the way as well. |
| 21:59.44 | jjazz | domran: Perhaps you want to ask #hardware? |
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| 22:00.25 | pipeline | domran: laptop optical drives are vendor-propietary. |
| 22:00.36 | Space_NL | xsetroot just removes my background .. hmm |
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| 22:00.51 | pipeline | domran: Every vendor has a different shape / interface. You'll have to buy from your vendor or locate one specifically made for your laptop line. |
| 22:00.56 | ribnitz | FieldySnuts: any research with jfs and similar fses? |
| 22:01.07 | stew | domran: or use an external usb drive |
| 22:01.15 | maher | Space_NL: bsetbg / bsetroot |
| 22:01.35 | domran | stew: can't use an external usb drive , since i wanna boot from cd to install debina |
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| 22:01.52 | stew | domran: newer laptops can boot from usb |
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| 22:01.56 | maher | domran: can you boot from a usb flash disk? |
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| 22:02.30 | FieldySnuts | ribnitz: probably all over google, shrug |
| 22:02.32 | stew | domran: or can you boot from a floppy then install from a cd? |
| 22:02.35 | pipeline | domran: Does it have an ethernet jack? |
| 22:02.46 | domran | pipeline : would the model number be sufficient .. or the dimensions& size be a factor as well ? shouldn't all drives with the same/very similar model number ( ujda710 vs ujda730) have same sizes as well ? |
| 22:03.07 | domran | Stew: sadly, my floppy drive's dead as well .. |
| 22:03.16 | pipeline | domran: Maybe, maybe not. IBM and Dell, for example, use the same optical drives across most of their laptops. Samsung, for example, used to have different optical drives for every single model. |
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| 22:03.37 | pipeline | domran: I suggest you boot over the network. Assuming that it was made since 1998, it almost certainly supports PXE |
| 22:03.39 | domran | pipeline : yup .. net's fine .. but i've read the docs on tftp & network installation .. didn't really help me out |
| 22:04.00 | pipeline | domran: Why not? It's easy as pie to set up. Install isc-dhcpd and tftpd-hpa on the host system, BAM |
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| 22:04.30 | domran | pipeline : hmm . .so its really easy ? didn't really understand it somehow .. do u have a url ? |
| 22:04.41 | domran | maher: can't boot from usb :( |
| 22:04.55 | pipeline | domran: Uh, I don't have a URL. The man page for isc-dhcpd's configuration file should explain it. |
| 22:05.25 | domran | would i need a crossover cable or is my router fine ? |
| 22:05.46 | pipeline | domran: In short, install isc-dhcpd and tftpd-hpa, dump the debian boot images into /tftpboot, and then add a "filename" directive to the target system's entry in dhcpd.conf |
| 22:06.02 | pipeline | domran: They need to be on the same subnet, other than that, it shouldn't matter. |
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| 22:06.43 | pipeline | domran: If you can figure out dhcpd.conf well enough to make an entry for the target system, then add appropriate "filename" and "next-server" directives, you're golden. |
| 22:06.47 | buu | Where can I look to find out where debian just crashed? |
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| 22:08.46 | ARCh1V1St | does anyone have experience with the INDI drivers for controlling computerized telescopes? |
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| 22:09.06 | valdyn_ | buu: crashed as rebooted? |
| 22:09.17 | valdyn_ | buu: or crashed as locked up? |
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| 22:09.48 | buu | valdyn_: Well, locked up |
| 22:09.52 | buu | I had to manually retart. |
| 22:09.58 | ARCh1V1St | im wondering, does the telescope have to be aligned, before INDI can actually talk to the scope. Kstars is giving 'error connecting to /dev/ttyS0' |
| 22:10.11 | valdyn_ | buu: you should try to log in remotely when its locked up |
| 22:10.19 | valdyn_ | buu: but now.. look at /var/log/syslog.1.gz |
| 22:10.20 | ARCh1V1St | (and its daytime, cant polar align it yet) |
| 22:10.21 | valdyn_ | buu: but now.. look at /var/log/syslog |
| 22:11.06 | buu | valdyn_: And? |
| 22:11.14 | valdyn_ | buu: read it |
| 22:11.25 | grigora | the default block size for Postgres is 8K, the block size for my fs is 4K, will there be a big performance gain if I changed the filesystemsblock size |
| 22:11.26 | ARCh1V1St | orafu, can someone tell me, check the configuration (IRQ/Address) of the serial port on debian? |
| 22:11.30 | ARCh1V1St | i've run setserial |
| 22:11.34 | ARCh1V1St | do i need to do more? |
| 22:11.43 | grigora | filesystem's block size to 8K as well |
| 22:11.52 | buu | valdyn_: It doesn't say "I CRASHED HERE" or anything vaguely related. |
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| 22:13.17 | valdyn_ | buu: not much you can do then now, reproduce that lock up, log in remotely, log on a serial console, log on a printer ( any of these ) |
| 22:13.23 | buu | =[ |
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| 22:13.30 | dondelelcaro | buu: any time the system hangs, it's generally a kernel bug at fault. Unfortunatly, unless you built your kernel with magic sys-req and the kernel debugger, you'll be hardpressed to figure out why it hung, because the kernel is necessarily unable to output anything to disk |
| 22:13.30 | buu | We'll see if it locks again. |
| 22:13.37 | suzzi | hello all |
| 22:13.47 | buu | dondelelcaro: I switched to the default kernel |
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| 22:13.50 | dhuv | hello all |
| 22:13.59 | dondelelcaro | buu: you'll have to be much more specific than that... |
| 22:14.03 | buu | dondelelcaro: Just to make sure I wasn't doing something really stupid, -k7 is for amd chips right? |
| 22:14.04 | dondelelcaro | buu: which "default kernel"? |
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| 22:14.14 | buu | dondelelcaro: The one that came on my cd, duh! =] |
| 22:14.16 | dondelelcaro | buu: k7 is for the k7 series of chips... |
| 22:14.19 | dhuv | i have a question about using make-kpkg with external modules |
| 22:14.32 | buu | dondelelcaro: Er, like an xp1800? |
| 22:14.34 | dondelelcaro | buu: uh, there are dozens of kernel distributed with Debian. |
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| 22:14.45 | Jarn | How do I update my kernel? |
| 22:14.48 | valdyn_ | buu: did just X lockup maybe? |
| 22:14.52 | dhuv | i am reading a howto about using make-kpkg and it says that you can use modules_image at the end of the command to compile modules that are in /usr/src/modules |
| 22:14.54 | buu | dondelelcaro: I was joking =/ |
| 22:14.54 | valdyn_ | buu: ( if you were using that ) |
| 22:14.59 | dvs | Jarn: apt-get install kernel-image... |
| 22:15.00 | dhuv | normally this is the pcmcia-cs package |
| 22:15.03 | buu | valdyn_: Nope. No X. No num lock. |
| 22:15.04 | Jarn | okay |
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| 22:15.08 | dhuv | but i also need linux-wlan |
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| 22:15.25 | dhuv | does anyone know how i can have that in the .deb file |
| 22:15.37 | buu | dondelelcaro: Specifically, I went from 2.6.8-2-k7 to 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 22:15.57 | deadcat | dhuv: what card? |
| 22:16.01 | dhuv | should i just extract the linux-wlan directory in /usr/src/modules and let make-kpkg handle it |
| 22:16.17 | Jarn | deadcat: did you see the picture? |
| 22:16.21 | suzzi | any one know if there is a way that I can have SSH to listen on more then one port... the man's state that it's possible but I cant see to get it working? |
| 22:16.22 | dhuv | its an older linksys with prism v2.5 |
| 22:16.25 | deadcat | Jarn: no. |
| 22:16.26 | ARCh1V1St | how can I check my serial port configuration in debian? |
| 22:16.29 | Jarn | dvs: which one? there's like 4 of 2.6.10 |
| 22:16.32 | dhuv | the linux kernel drivers dont work with it |
| 22:16.37 | deadcat | dhuv: why not just use hostap? |
| 22:16.37 | Jarn | deadcat: did the address not work? *peer* |
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| 22:16.47 | dvs | Jarn: What CPU do you have? |
| 22:16.48 | takatumi | buu: amd64? |
| 22:16.57 | buu | takatumi: Er, my cpu? No. |
| 22:16.58 | Jarn | dvs: I use i386 things |
| 22:17.00 | dhuv | well, i am building a new kernel and i want to package modules with it |
| 22:17.10 | deadcat | dhuv: why not use hostap? |
| 22:17.16 | dvs | Jarn: Then use kernel-image-2.6.10-i386 |
| 22:17.21 | Jarn | dvs: there isnt one |
| 22:17.27 | dhuv | deadcat: isnt hostap external? |
| 22:17.39 | deadcat | dhuv: and wlan-ng is internal? |
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| 22:18.12 | thorie | what does it mean if i can ping a remote computer, but i can't telnet and connect to a port its listening on? |
| 22:18.12 | dhuv | no its external |
| 22:18.12 | cooldude_ | I have entered a DNS, in which file is it located? |
| 22:18.12 | dhuv | they are seperate modules |
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| 22:18.12 | dhuv | i think its the same with hostap no? |
| 22:18.12 | takatumi | dhuv: a default kernel-image, it's corresponding kernel-headers might help, try module-assistant as well |
| 22:18.13 | dvs | Jarn: Then use kernel-image-2.6.10 |
| 22:18.13 | deadcat | dhuv: you should try hostap before wlan-ng. <-- last resort |
| 22:18.17 | buu | thorie: The port is blocked someplace between you and it. |
| 22:18.19 | dhuv | and i have used linux-wlan with this card before and i know it works |
| 22:18.25 | deadcat | dhuv: no hostap is much more advance |
| 22:18.32 | thorie | buu: how do i figure out what is blocking it? |
| 22:18.34 | dhuv | deadcat: i will check it out thanks |
| 22:18.47 | dhuv | deadcat: what do you mean advanced? is it more efficient? |
| 22:18.48 | deadcat | dhuv: wlan-ng uses some fucking scripts. hostap just uses iwconfig |
| 22:18.48 | thorie | buu: the two computers are on the same side of a LAN |
| 22:19.01 | buu | No idea |
| 22:19.01 | OutCast3k | does anyone know how to fix the megaraid/ megaraid2 module issue on the kernel 2.6.8 |
| 22:19.03 | dhuv | i just need to get on the net with this card, i dont need to do any kind of adhoc stuff |
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| 22:19.05 | valdyn_ | buu: man traceroute is one thing you can do |
| 22:19.17 | dhuv | deadcat: iwconfig, enough said |
| 22:19.18 | dhuv | :) |
| 22:19.18 | valdyn_ | thorie: man traceroute is one thing you can do |
| 22:19.23 | valdyn_ | buu: ops sorry |
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| 22:19.38 | thorie | valdyn_: there is only one hop, from that pc to the remote pc |
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| 22:19.49 | thorie | valdyn_: and neither pc is running any kind of firewall software |
| 22:19.50 | deadline | whats a rss feed reader i can get via apt ? |
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| 22:19.56 | valdyn_ | thorie: oh, that simple |
| 22:20.05 | valdyn_ | thorie: so you're not running a telnet server? |
| 22:20.10 | takatumi | deadline: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:20.17 | valdyn_ | thorie: or the remote host isnt, even |
| 22:20.25 | thorie | valdyn_: the remote host is running a SQL database |
| 22:20.28 | deadline | takatumi: i know about apt-cache search |
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| 22:21.09 | valdyn_ | thorie: alright, you can still traceroute -p <port> <remotehost> |
| 22:21.21 | HuthaufSat1 | PeterHuth is on Sat1 |
| 22:21.44 | thorie | valdyn_: ok |
| 22:22.03 | takatumi | deadline: now that you mentioned it, I'm trying out snownews |
| 22:22.06 | drini | is there any method to get external mouse of my laptop to work if I forget to plug it before X starts? |
| 22:22.07 | ildegar | apt-get install kernel-source |
| 22:22.17 | drini | or is it restarting X the only way? |
| 22:22.34 | bob2 | drini: if it's usb, it should Just Work |
| 22:22.45 | bob2 | if it's ps/2, you shouldn't be hotplugging to begin with |
| 22:22.47 | Jarn | dvs: looks like the newest one I can find for i386 is 2.6.8-2 should I get it? |
| 22:23.09 | drini | it's usb but if I plug it after X starts, it won't respond |
| 22:23.18 | drini | ok, I guess it's a Xorg thing |
| 22:23.23 | bob2 | is X pointing at /dev/input/mice? |
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| 22:23.30 | bob2 | is this on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:23.32 | drini | yes |
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| 22:23.51 | drini | 2.6 |
| 22:23.55 | drini | it0s /dev/psaux |
| 22:23.56 | takatumi | drini: where'd ya get xorg? |
| 22:24.01 | bob2 | drini: then that's wrong |
| 22:24.02 | pipeline | drini: /dev/psaux is the wrong device |
| 22:24.07 | bob2 | point it at /dev/input/mice |
| 22:24.12 | pipeline | drini: use /dev/input/mice -- it's the aggregate input of all mice on the system |
| 22:24.21 | drini | thanks |
| 22:24.29 | drini | bob2: you don't want to know hehehhe |
| 22:26.41 | Jarn | if the newest kernel I can find for i386 is 2.6.8-2 should I get it? |
| 22:26.50 | deadcat | ya |
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| 22:27.14 | takatumi | Jarn: are you on 2.6 now? |
| 22:27.16 | Jarn | no |
| 22:27.17 | Jarn | 2.4.7 |
| 22:27.24 | Jarn | I believe |
| 22:27.27 | Jarn | 2.4.something |
| 22:27.32 | drini | I'm using kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 22:27.55 | drini | at least, trying to |
| 22:27.56 | takatumi | Jarn: that's quite a jump, be prepared for a few break-ups before you stabilize. |
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| 22:28.24 | Jarn | takatumi: what do you mean? some things won't work? |
| 22:28.24 | takatumi | Linux gpoppy 2.6.11-04-03-05 #1 Fri Mar 4 15:27:02 |
| 22:28.31 | ts0 | hi ppl |
| 22:28.48 | bob2 | 2.6.11 was pretty shit |
| 22:28.51 | bob2 | as releases go |
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| 22:28.56 | ts0 | one little question :) i am running debian unstable and i am not able to install libgtkmm (unmet depencies). any solution? |
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| 22:29.03 | takatumi | bob2: just bug fixes. |
| 22:29.06 | bob2 | 2.6.8.1 was the most stable for me, followed by 2.6.10 |
| 22:29.12 | PerfDave | ts0: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 22:29.21 | bob2 | takatumi: 2.6.11 didn't support keyboards on some dell machines |
| 22:29.30 | bob2 | ts0: you mean the package "libgtkmm"? |
| 22:29.43 | takatumi | 2.6.11 is very stable here. |
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| 22:30.01 | bob2 | or do you mean "libgtkmm-2.4-1"? |
| 22:30.24 | paulswm | I guess it's even more stable if one can't mess it up by using your keyboard |
| 22:30.40 | bob2 | haha |
| 22:30.46 | paulswm | What an odd bug |
| 22:30.46 | ts0 | i mean libgtkm-2.4-1 |
| 22:30.49 | cheale1 | bob2: is that worst than 2.6.8's CD burning issues? |
| 22:30.56 | cafuego | How about 2.6.11.1 ? |
| 22:31.11 | takatumi | there's a .1 already? |
| 22:31.16 | bob2 | cheale1: that was easily worked around |
| 22:31.19 | cafuego | Been out for a while |
| 22:31.20 | bob2 | takatumi: there's .2 already |
| 22:31.33 | takatumi | damn didn't check in a while. |
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| 22:31.52 | Jarn | takatumi: what do you mean break-ups? some things won't work? |
| 22:31.54 | ts0 | sry ppl, solved the problem meanwhile. thx anyway |
| 22:32.06 | bob2 | so, greylisting works pretty well |
| 22:32.26 | takatumi | Jarn: mouse, or some funny drives etc. won't hurt to try. |
| 22:32.39 | suzzi_ | any one handy with proftpd ? |
| 22:32.44 | Jarn | okay |
| 22:33.00 | cheale1 | 2.6.x.y is interesting |
| 22:33.00 | Jarn | takatumi: heh, I hope I don't have any trouble. I have a usb keyboard and mouse. :P |
| 22:33.04 | suzzi_ | any one know why I cant follow symlinks with ftp? |
| 22:33.05 | deadline | takatumi: installed snownews? |
| 22:33.06 | ZEA | in sarge, does mysql-admin (1.0.19) work well with mysql-server-4.1? I'm trying to create a table and I'm getting and sql error (1046) |
| 22:33.18 | takatumi | deadline: yeah, why? |
| 22:33.30 | deadline | takatumi: is ot good? |
| 22:33.32 | Jarn | takatumi: wish me luck, here I go |
| 22:33.34 | deadline | it* |
| 22:33.48 | takatumi | !confure Jarn |
| 22:33.55 | takatumi | gahhh! |
| 22:34.18 | Jarn | what is confure? |
| 22:34.19 | takatumi | deadline: don't have any rss feed addys to try. |
| 22:34.27 | takatumi | !confuse Jarn |
| 22:34.28 | dpkg | No, what is my gouda tomorrow, Jarn? pants of the democracy of tahiti with extra herring |
| 22:34.36 | Jarn | LOL |
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| 22:35.12 | deadline | takatumi: lol, does the window look nice? transparent? or windows explorer style? |
| 22:35.27 | takatumi | deadline: apt-cache show snownews |
| 22:36.17 | deadline | takatumi: thx |
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| 22:36.59 | takatumi | deadline: its a text interface, what more do you want to read news? |
| 22:37.00 | Jarn | takatumi: nothing happened |
| 22:37.00 | Jarn | takatumi: what do I do now? |
| 22:37.08 | Jarn | do I reboot now? |
| 22:37.09 | deadline | takatumi: i like eyecandy |
| 22:37.14 | takatumi | Jarn: what do you mean nothing happened? |
| 22:37.30 | DaHooD | Hi, can anyone help me with USB? My USB-Stick is lame. I need 2min for 15 MB with USB 1.1. How can i pimp it up? |
| 22:37.35 | takatumi | deadline: go surf. |
| 22:37.46 | Jarn | takatumi: I just installed a kernel pkg |
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| 22:37.57 | takatumi | Jarn: and nothing happened? |
| 22:37.57 | jesuel | Anyone know of a way to make the window list portion of the gnome panel transparent, the gnome panel is already transparent but that part isnt.? |
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| 22:38.07 | jjazz | DaHooD: A lowering kit and big ass rims would be totally fly. |
| 22:38.20 | Jarn | takatumi: yes |
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| 22:38.27 | Jarn | takatumi: other than the package being installed |
| 22:38.58 | Jarn | takatumi: is something supposed to happen now? or do I just reboot? |
| 22:39.07 | deadline | takatumi: keep your intelligent comments |
| 22:39.07 | DaHooD | jjazz, nice. where can i by it with a linux emblem :) |
| 22:39.13 | Xor3x___ | someone here that can help me with my firewall ? |
| 22:39.17 | DaHooD | buy |
| 22:39.21 | DaHooD | by = buy |
| 22:39.27 | bob2 | jesuel: actual transparency isn't possible in Debian |
| 22:39.43 | jesuel | ....:( |
| 22:39.52 | takatumi | Jarn: check if your bootloader has been updated, added an initrd image line? |
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| 22:40.06 | DaHooD | Seriously, how can i speed up my UBS-Stick? |
| 22:40.10 | jbAU | Xor3x___, What's wrong with your firewall? |
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| 22:40.23 | Jarn | how do I do that? |
| 22:40.44 | bob2 | DaHooD: buy hardware that supports usb 2.0 |
| 22:40.46 | takatumi | Jarn: which bootloader are you using? |
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| 22:41.00 | Jarn | takatumi: grub |
| 22:41.11 | jesuel | bob2: well that just sucks |
| 22:41.20 | takatumi | Jarn: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:41.22 | bob2 | it really doesn't |
| 22:41.30 | bob2 | a transparent panel seems stupid |
| 22:41.43 | DaHooD | bob2, wise guy... |
| 22:41.52 | bob2 | DaHooD: ? I'm serious. |
| 22:41.56 | jesuel | bob2, maybe stupid, maybe not. I like the look of it |
| 22:41.58 | bob2 | you can't magically make it faster. |
| 22:42.04 | DaHooD | bob2, me too :) |
| 22:42.10 | bob2 | if you have crap hardware, you have crap hardware |
| 22:42.10 | Xor3x___ | I have a 8mb internetconnection and as sone i loade a site one time it feels lite i have a modem ... when i loade the next |
| 22:42.12 | jesuel | Not for faster, i just like the look. |
| 22:42.36 | Jarn | takatumi: theres a ton of initrd lines |
| 22:42.37 | jjazz | DaHooD: Disconnect other usb devices. Each usb controller has a max bandwidth, so if you've got multiple devices on one controller, they have to split the bandwidth |
| 22:42.54 | DaHooD | jjazz, nothing else connected, only the usb-stick |
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| 22:43.35 | cadu | hi ! there's a concise way on debian of restricting some commands to some users ? |
| 22:43.43 | cadu | like, user <foo> can't run <bar> |
| 22:44.13 | Jarn | takatumi: so does that mean it worked? |
| 22:44.40 | jjazz | DaHooD: Add a racing stripe. It might not go faster, but it will look faster. |
| 22:44.51 | DaHooD | :P |
| 22:45.12 | bob2 | cadu: no |
| 22:45.12 | takatumi | jesuel: http://gpoppy.org/eye_candy.jpg |
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| 22:45.16 | bob2 | because that's stupid |
| 22:45.21 | LSorense | cadu: make the command only readable by owner and a group, and assign users to that group if they should have access |
| 22:45.25 | bob2 | you could use rbash if you're anal |
| 22:45.42 | cafuego | bob2: Do you know of any shop/chain that can produce 10 - 15m db9 serial cable before tomorrow? |
| 22:45.43 | LSorense | cadu: and of course it doesn't mean the user can't copy the command from another system to their dir and run it |
| 22:45.50 | cadu | LSorense: i thought doing that , but i'm asking if this can't fuck "the debian way" of doing things |
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| 22:45.54 | takatumi | Jarn: check if that particular kernel-image line has been added and there's one initrd line for that specific kernel. |
| 22:45.55 | cadu | or bloating my system ;D |
| 22:46.11 | LSorense | cadu: sure, the next update of the package is probably going to wipe out such a silly useless change |
| 22:46.27 | bob2 | cafuego: I'd just go to the local $generic computer store |
| 22:46.29 | LSorense | cadu: do you have an example of a command some users shouldn't be able to run? |
| 22:46.35 | cadu | LSorense: top |
| 22:46.42 | cadu | LSorense: my boss isn't root at this machine |
| 22:46.54 | LSorense | cadu: and why would running top be a problem? |
| 22:46.56 | cadu | LSorense: but he shouldn't run top and see "amule" ;D |
| 22:47.06 | LSorense | cadu: and how about ps and /proc? |
| 22:47.11 | cadu | LSorense: nor top nor ps :D |
| 22:47.14 | LSorense | cadu: and pstree and pgrep? |
| 22:47.17 | Jarn | takatumi: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:47.19 | cadu | LSorense: my boss doesn't have the skills to /proc ;D |
| 22:47.24 | Jarn | takatumi: that? |
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| 22:47.26 | takatumi | Jarn: ok, reboot. |
| 22:47.28 | cadu | LSorense: he's a lousy windoze user ;D |
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| 22:47.34 | speakman | hi folks! |
| 22:47.34 | DaHooD | jjazz, but WinXP copie the file in 15 Sek. I think linux should be able to be such fast too ... |
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| 22:47.43 | LSorense | cadu: obscurity is never a solution |
| 22:47.43 | cafuego | bob2: They all have 1.8m cable, which doesn't help me much :-( |
| 22:47.46 | speakman | Have anyone been working with bigger WLAN networks? |
| 22:47.54 | cadu | :-( |
| 22:48.09 | speakman | Or professional WLAN products? |
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| 22:48.14 | cafuego | speakman: Yes, make sure the APs support WDS. Problem solved. |
| 22:48.19 | Jarn | takatumi: k |
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| 22:48.43 | kbs | Having trouble with smbmount -- debian testing, kernel 2.6.8-2-686-smp. The smbmount operation is successful, but any attempts to access the directory results in 'permission denied'. Suggestions on how to debug this? |
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| 22:48.57 | jjazz | cadu: Why not rename your amule app to something more innocuous? |
| 22:48.59 | speakman | cafuego: how do you know my problem? :D |
| 22:49.10 | cadu | jjazz: HMMMMM |
| 22:49.12 | cadu | .-) |
| 22:49.16 | jjazz | kbs: What are the permissions on the directory? |
| 22:49.20 | secher | is there a util that'll show me what process is using a disk(s)? One of my drives has been grinding for a while, and I can't seem to figure out why. |
| 22:49.31 | speakman | secher: try lsof |
| 22:49.33 | cafuego | speakman: The only difference between a big and small setup would be having users roam from AP to Ap and having the APs talk to eachother. |
| 22:49.34 | PerfDave | secher: lsof |
| 22:49.48 | mrhemlock | !test |
| 22:49.48 | dpkg | Yes, mrhemlock, you're still online. |
| 22:50.04 | PerfDave | Oh, tossfucks. Just upgraded my network from 10Mb/sec to 100Mb/sec and my damn server is too slow to take much advantage. |
| 22:50.16 | secher | speakman, PerfDave: Shenksh! |
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| 22:50.38 | speakman | cafuego: I'm into using WLAN more as a link between different networks |
| 22:50.55 | cafuego | speakman: Your local WUG would be able to help then. |
| 22:50.55 | kbs | jjazz: I'm even unable to get the permissions. Let me put up a log file, so you can see it. one moment |
| 22:51.18 | cafuego | speakman: Depending on the range, you might need directional antennas and a compass. :-) |
| 22:51.18 | speakman | cafuego: I don't want to use lousy cheap APs, but using internal PCI cards for Wireless connection |
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| 22:51.46 | Jarn | both my new kernels show up on GRUB |
| 22:51.47 | cafuego | speakman: Lousy cheap APs tend to be the same as or better then internal PCI cards |
| 22:51.49 | speakman | cafuego: But if I need an antenna cable for 30 meters, the signal is almost lost in the cable. |
| 22:51.54 | Jarn | it has Linux 2.4.7 |
| 22:51.58 | Jarn | and a recovery mode for it |
| 22:51.59 | cafuego | speakman: Decent hardware would set you back a couple of hundred dollars. |
| 22:52.00 | DaHooD | Can anyone give me a Tip why my usb 1.1 is so slow... i schould get 800KB/s but i get 200 KB/s |
| 22:52.05 | Jarn | and Linux 2.6.8 |
| 22:52.09 | Jarn | and a recovery mode for it |
| 22:52.11 | Jarn | is that bad? |
| 22:52.21 | cafuego | speakman: Just cusomuer grade stuff has a range of maybe 30 metres, decent stuff would cover 100m easily. |
| 22:52.23 | Jarn | and is it bad that I think I saw quite a few errors when it was booting? |
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| 22:52.49 | speakman | cafuego: same or better for what? how would you configure an AP as an advanced router? |
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| 22:53.23 | speakman | cafuego: You are still limited to 100mW output power. And long cables are killing the signal. |
| 22:53.24 | ts0 | strange :) need to get the experimental deb-package of libatk to install libgtkmm (unstable) |
| 22:53.24 | cafuego | speakman: That's the trick. |
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| 22:53.58 | cafuego | speakman: You can mount a small AP in a box NEAR the antenna, using power over ethernet, that way you minimuse cable loss. |
| 22:53.59 | cadu | LSorense: places like freeshell don't find this useless :D |
| 22:54.01 | cadu | LSorense: ;D |
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| 22:54.23 | cafuego | speakman: You should be able to find a bunch of web sites about doing exactly that to a minitar AP. |
| 22:54.46 | speakman | cafuego: in serious radio link equipment used by Telcos (like where I'm working) have the end-tranceiver at the end of an coax cable which is powered via the coax, and the signal is modulated at a very low frequency to not get killed by the long cable. |
| 22:54.52 | cafuego | They run Linux too, so you can grab a custom firmware that suports ssh and a login shell. |
| 22:55.01 | paster | "kbs" at 63.145.232.32 pasted "smbmount issue" (21 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/337 |
| 22:55.13 | cafuego | speakman: Yes, that's not really feasible for home users though. |
| 22:55.43 | takatumi | Jarn: uname -a |
| 22:55.53 | speakman | cafuego: Who said it was only home users? It's many home users.. That's why we need professional stuff! ;) |
| 22:55.54 | kbs | I just pasted a log of the problem (as the paster reports) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/337 |
| 22:56.13 | Jarn | takatumi: Linux Jarn 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:56.39 | cafuego | speakman: http://ddwireless.net/PoE |
| 22:56.43 | LSorense | cadu: well unless you prevent the user from reading other users process info, restricting access to the tool is not useful |
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| 22:57.01 | cafuego | speakman: Cheap home-made AP that can be mounted next to the antenna, thus minimising cable loss (cat5 is dirt cheap) |
| 22:57.21 | deadline | cafuego: what is AP? |
| 22:57.22 | cafuego | speakman: Also check whether your region has a wireless usergroup. |
| 22:57.37 | LSorense | cadu: I think some of the BSD systems allow you to restrict users to only seeing their own processes, so they can still run ps and top and all that |
| 22:57.39 | takatumi | Jarn: for errors check dmesg, if there are errors you only see on boot edit /etc/default/bootlogd to read BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes and reboot, check /var/log/boot |
| 22:57.44 | ARCh1V1St | where is the serial port configuration stored in debian? |
| 22:57.58 | caphuso | ARCh1V1St: /etc/serial.conf |
| 22:57.59 | LSorense | ARCh1V1St: /etc/setserial.conf or something like that |
| 22:58.03 | Jarn | okay |
| 22:58.20 | ARCh1V1St | thanks all :) |
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| 22:59.07 | ARCh1V1St | odd, i have installed setserial, yet have none of the above files |
| 22:59.14 | cadu | LSorense: this can be done on linux? |
| 22:59.27 | ARCh1V1St | i did the 'automatically set once' option upon install |
| 22:59.28 | Delph | cadu: yes. |
| 22:59.29 | ARCh1V1St | and rebooted |
| 22:59.37 | Delph | variuos kernel patches do it. |
| 22:59.44 | cadu | Delph: hmmmm |
| 22:59.49 | cadu | Delph: where ? >:) |
| 22:59.49 | Delph | have a look around the GRsec / that sort of thing. |
| 22:59.59 | rares | cadu: just use a rootkit... suckit or something |
| 23:00.08 | ARCh1V1St | is there any way to checkif a serial port is working without a device attached? Or check the IRQ/Address settings |
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| 23:00.24 | cadu | rootkit ? |
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| 23:01.57 | jharrison | where is the global $MAIL enviroment setting found? |
| 23:02.02 | valdyn_ | ARCh1V1St: setserial /dev/ttyS0 |
| 23:02.47 | ARCh1V1St | thank ya, everything looks good there too...ugh.. |
| 23:03.03 | rares | cadu: google define: rootkit |
| 23:03.04 | ARCh1V1St | trying to get a computerized telescope to work with kstars |
| 23:03.10 | ARCh1V1St | any one familiar with the INDI drivers by chance? |
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| 23:04.55 | LSorense | cadu: I don't think so, unless you make some kernel changes. |
| 23:05.18 | jeanmi_ | are the bots apt and dpkg tired of answering requests ? |
| 23:05.24 | LSorense | cadu: or some libc function overlays. doesn't stop reading /proc |
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| 23:05.31 | cheale1 | rares: use a rootkit for what? |
| 23:05.35 | jeanmi_ | I have tried /msg dpkg find rfftw.h |
| 23:05.40 | jeanmi_ | but it does not answer |
| 23:05.43 | jbAU | !dpkg say i am never tired |
| 23:05.44 | dpkg | i am never tired |
| 23:06.00 | sdogi | !dpkg say i'm on drugs |
| 23:06.13 | jbAU | hahahaha |
| 23:06.15 | Gumby | any LVM users here? I jus rebooted and my LVM doesnt seem to mount. I get the output "mount: special device /dev/4474/storage does not exist". How can I test the LVM or check to see what is wrong with it? |
| 23:06.15 | dpkg | i'm on drugs |
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| 23:06.41 | sdogi | i bet he was amazed that i knew so he answered so slowly |
| 23:06.47 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdeedu/kstars/indi.html |
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| 23:07.03 | rares | cheale1: hide processes... i think this was the problem |
| 23:07.06 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6673 |
| 23:07.10 | PhantomCircuit | Whats the syntax to download a file using curl? |
| 23:07.28 | sdogi | curl http://glasdf > somefile i guess |
| 23:07.33 | sdogi | try man curl |
| 23:07.34 | ARCh1V1St | wohh, im on it.... |
| 23:07.36 | cheale1 | rares: you think rootkits will help hide processes? |
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| 23:08.09 | bob2 | cheale1: er, they do |
| 23:08.16 | riot | Is it possible to run make-kpkg buildpackage without it cleaning everything first? |
| 23:08.45 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.45 | PhantomCircuit | curl http://a.phps > /folder/dude.php |
| 23:08.49 | PhantomCircuit | ? |
| 23:08.49 | travisat | riot: yes, but it might not work |
| 23:08.57 | bob2 | drasko: please read the README.Debian |
| 23:09.10 | rares | cheale1: a lkm included in the rk will... |
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| 23:10.00 | pureone | one a day |
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| 23:10.25 | riot | travisat: how do i do it? Cleaning shouldn't be necessary, if it just breaked before having no space left on device.. |
| 23:10.48 | riot | (from my experiences with compiling manually) |
| 23:10.56 | jeanmi_ | grrr dpkg and apt don't answer |
| 23:11.03 | travisat | riot: it doesn't clean anything. you have to make-kpkg clean to clean anything |
| 23:11.05 | jeanmi_ | in which package can I find rfftw.h ? |
| 23:11.11 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: That any use? I recalled reading an article in linuxjournal :-) |
| 23:11.21 | bob2 | jeanmi_: packages.debian.org |
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| 23:11.51 | jeanmi_ | bob2 thanks |
| 23:11.58 | rares | jeanmi_: fftw-dev |
| 23:12.07 | riot | travisat: hmm. At the beginning it said it were to clean up everything.. |
| 23:12.35 | jeanmi_ | thanks |
| 23:13.04 | travisat | riot: in my experience if you compiled something before and it was there, make-kpkg buildpackage used that precompiled stuff |
| 23:13.13 | travisat | riot: maybe I'm wrong |
| 23:13.35 | riot | travisat: hmhmm.. well, i'm gonna check that next time.. it's far too late now ;) |
| 23:14.00 | riot | i was just bothered... starting it 3 times in a row just to break up everytime doing the same stuff |
| 23:14.29 | travisat | riot: well if you don't make-kpkg clean and something compiled wrong, it might keep breaking |
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| 23:14.54 | riot | travisat: sure, but not if it just went out of hd-space :) |
| 23:15.18 | riot | make vmlinuz does it quite nicely, in fact. |
| 23:15.18 | travisat | riot: you might have a half-compiled binary that its trying to use |
| 23:15.36 | takatumi | apt-get install galeon |
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| 23:15.44 | takatumi | gah. |
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| 23:16.30 | cheale1 | rares: hehe, I see what you mean. refreshing memory is needed sometimes :) |
| 23:17.44 | meme | have 2.4.26 kernel compiled for K7. Do I need something more to use SSE built-in functions with gcc? |
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| 23:18.07 | bob2 | haha |
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| 23:18.19 | bob2 | gcc very very very very very rarely actually generates SSE |
| 23:18.30 | meme | :? |
| 23:18.31 | bob2 | also, it doesn't matter if your kernel supports it or not |
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| 23:18.43 | bob2 | meme: gcc can't parallelise or vectorise your code for you |
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| 23:19.47 | PhantomCircuit | wget -b -q http://site.com/file.ext > file.ext ? |
| 23:19.51 | meme | machine needs to swich to extended mode to use SSE. Also, I can use built-in functions found from gcc v. 3.3 & 3.4 |
| 23:20.36 | drasko | where is the conf file for iptables? |
| 23:20.44 | travisat | any chance when gcc is going to get a little more advanced, or are there any other linux options for sse compilations? |
| 23:20.47 | bob2 | drasko: dude |
| 23:20.51 | bob2 | drasko: I answered you already |
| 23:20.54 | meme | -sse |
| 23:20.59 | bob2 | drasko: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 23:21.05 | riot | iptables?? conf-file? lol |
| 23:21.17 | bob2 | it only does it for some buitins, aiui |
| 23:21.24 | yoshio_ | PhantomCircuit: you don't need the redirection, file.ext will go into your current dir. If you don't like the filename, use -O mynewfilename |
| 23:21.25 | bob2 | and as an alternative to using the 386 fpu |
| 23:21.41 | meme | -march=athlon |
| 23:21.48 | meme | -mcpu=athlon |
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| 23:23.00 | drasko | bob2, nope, no config file in /etc/defaults, nor anywhere else |
| 23:23.09 | bob2 | drasko: duh |
| 23:23.12 | bob2 | read the fucking file |
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| 23:23.15 | drasko | bob2, I have not made any rules, though |
| 23:23.22 | bob2 | indeed |
| 23:23.27 | bob2 | that's because there is no config file |
| 23:23.32 | peppo | has anyone else experienced all their Qt applications fonts' looking very weird? like they've been compacted horizontally. |
| 23:23.34 | bob2 | read |
| 23:23.35 | bob2 | that |
| 23:23.35 | bob2 | file |
| 23:23.43 | drasko | bob2, thanks very much... |
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| 23:24.02 | bob2 | drasko: please just read what people suggest instead of going off on tangents |
| 23:24.13 | bob2 | it gives you like 97 different ways to setup iptables rules |
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| 23:24.41 | yoshio_ | drasko: no conf files for iptables, but if you want to see what files a package has, type "dpkg -L iptables" |
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| 23:25.02 | borius | how do I found out the x and y size of a png file from the commandline? |
| 23:25.29 | Vladi | hi, im having problems with mime's i have xfce and evolution and firefox but for example when i click on a pdf file it does not open it with gpdf but wants to save it or does not know what to do with it can someone please help? |
| 23:25.30 | caphuso | borius: file(1), for example |
| 23:25.39 | borius | caphuso: kewl |
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| 23:26.33 | abrotman | gus |
| 23:26.36 | resiak | abrotman: Nooo! |
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| 23:26.44 | resiak | abrotman: My job :) |
| 23:26.58 | drasko | yoshio_, that's helpfull, thanks |
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| 23:27.21 | PhantomCircuit | wget -b -O /fold/file.ext2 http://site/a.ext would that work? |
| 23:27.32 | abrotman | read the man page ? |
| 23:28.03 | PhantomCircuit | . |
| 23:28.04 | PhantomCircuit | .. |
| 23:28.05 | PhantomCircuit | ... |
| 23:28.31 | travisat | .... |
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| 23:28.47 | sussudio | !! |
| 23:28.47 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 23:29.21 | yoshio_ | PhantomCircuit: yes, I just tried it, works fine, why background it, is it a huge file? |
| 23:29.28 | drasko | bob2, I was actually looking for some script that is cheching if forwarding was enabled, and, since it was for gentoo, it would read /etc/conf.d/iptables file, looking for ENABLE_IP_FORWARDING line... Where to look for that in debian? |
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| 23:31.05 | bob2 | drasko: set it in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 23:31.39 | caphuso | or in the script you're going to write anyways |
| 23:32.04 | caphuso | or somewhere in /etc/network/ |
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| 23:33.17 | Gumby | could anyone possible lend a hand in figuring out why my LVM wont mount after a reboot? When trying to use some of the LVM tools it shows the following "Couldn't find device with uuid 'pvifBp-Fii0-wKCx-gM4m-VxGz-Q6Ee-oyNKL4'." /dev/hdd is the device with that uuid. |
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| 23:33.45 | resiak | GUSSET! |
| 23:33.55 | aidehua | PLUMS! |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | pirates? |
| 23:34.09 | aidehua | Carry On #debian? |
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| 23:34.19 | jim | your wayward son |
| 23:34.21 | Piggy | matron? |
| 23:34.31 | resiak | Arrrrrrrr |
| 23:34.31 | abrotman | Piggy: eat? |
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| 23:34.48 | jim | Piggy: that's the new animated flick, sequel to Tron |
| 23:34.54 | abrotman | my debian accidentally installed suse |
| 23:35.04 | pureone | :O |
| 23:35.04 | aidehua | Debian ate my hamster. |
| 23:35.08 | resiak | abrotman: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:35.12 | abrotman | resiak: 7.3 |
| 23:35.18 | jim | my debi an in a comotion |
| 23:35.34 | jim | her head hanging over the rail... |
| 23:35.34 | travisat | `cat /etc/debian_version` |
| 23:35.35 | cureless | 7.3? you're 1.9-beta versions behind |
| 23:35.42 | abrotman | travisat: i did |
| 23:36.00 | jim | she's woozy from sailing the ocean... |
| 23:36.08 | jim | so somebody bring her a pail! |
| 23:36.13 | aidehua | type C:\debian_version |
| 23:36.24 | travisat | bring back! |
| 23:36.38 | abrotman | travisat: the correct response is "/exec -o cat /etc/debian_version" |
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| 23:36.52 | jim | haha, you heard the melody :) |
| 23:36.53 | travisat | ahh /exec |
| 23:37.05 | jim | but the words are, |
| 23:37.11 | aidehua | type C:\debia~1.ver # ...is worse :) |
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| 23:37.18 | travisat | 3.1 |
| 23:37.23 | jim | come up, come up, come up her dinner come up come up... |
| 23:37.37 | travisat | ahh I 4.2 behind abrotman |
| 23:37.44 | abrotman | travisat: just upgrade your X |
| 23:37.44 | Vladi | hi, im having problems with mime's i have xfce and evolution and firefox but for example when i click on a pdf file in firefox or evolution it does not open with gpdf but wants to save it. Can someone please help? |
| 23:38.06 | jim | what a sentence... |
| 23:38.19 | PerfDave | !punctuationsmite Valdi |
| 23:38.20 | travisat | abrotman: to 6.8? |
| 23:38.25 | cureless | jim, that's why he asked for help |
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| 23:38.34 | abrotman | travisat: no .. use X4.2 to get to 7.3 |
| 23:38.42 | Atrocity | if i get disconnected during install, and i reconnect, will the setup continue where i left off? (net install via dialup proxy) |
| 23:38.48 | travisat | 3.9 is fine for me |
| 23:38.48 | jim | I see in the mime's eye... |
| 23:38.51 | Vladi | not my native language guys gimme a break :) |
| 23:39.02 | jim | Vladi: sorry :) |
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| 23:39.04 | abrotman | Atrocity: during install ? or like an `apt-get install foo` ? |
| 23:39.05 | PerfDave | "Hi, I'm having problems with MIME types. I have XFCE, Evolution and Firefox but when I click on a PDF in Firefox or Evolution, it tries to save the file. I want it to open in gpdf. Can someone please help?" |
| 23:39.09 | pureone | vladi check firefoxes prefernces in edit |
| 23:39.22 | Atrocity | abrotman: during install |
| 23:39.29 | abrotman | Atrocity: i wouldn't kill it |
| 23:39.36 | travisat | Vladi: firefox doesn't really follow mimetypes all that well |
| 23:39.39 | cafuego | Vladi: You need to go home to helix. |
| 23:39.46 | Vladi | pureone: will do there is no global setting for the system i noticed that gnome-mime-data is installed and soe is shared-mime-data |
| 23:39.49 | abrotman | he's been gone a while |
| 23:39.55 | Atrocity | abrotman: the internet connection is on a windows computer and the isp disconnects me every 4 hrs |
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| 23:40.01 | Atrocity | so i don't have a choice :/ |
| 23:40.11 | abrotman | Atrocity: well .. i guess it might work . if you dial in again real fast |
| 23:40.20 | Atrocity | hmm |
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| 23:40.58 | lilliput | hello all .. ;) |
| 23:40.59 | Atrocity | libc6 is killing me :/ |
| 23:41.02 | DrPete | what partition scheme would u guys recommend for a 80 gig drive |
| 23:41.18 | cafuego | DrPete: That depends on what you're going to do with it. |
| 23:41.34 | aidehua | DrPete: 1GB root, 79GB LVM |
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| 23:41.51 | resiak | Atrocity: What's it doing to you? |
| 23:42.01 | lilliput | got a pb with `apt-get install libqt3-dev` :: libqt3-dev: Dépend: libfreetype6-dev mais ne sera pas installé Dépend: libxft-dev mais ne sera pas installé .. :( :( .. so no make xconfig :( |
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| 23:42.28 | cafuego | lilliput: install libncurses5-dev and use 'make menuconfig' |
| 23:42.33 | DrPete | justr a general server, mail, dns, websites, not hundreds of accounts or anything, using maildir. Most space in home |
| 23:42.41 | lilliput | hmm I am in unstable .. |
| 23:42.45 | resiak | lilliput: ...and? |
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| 23:43.34 | PhantomCircuit | Linux spock 2.4.20-18.7 wtf is that |
| 23:43.42 | penguin | What is the program to get an nfs server for Debian? |
| 23:43.50 | penguin | Testing |
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| 23:43.56 | resiak | PhantomCircuit: That's your OS, hostname and kernel version |
| 23:44.02 | lilliput | cafuego: and resiak so .. is it normal ? that's one month that I could not install it .. I presum it should be a pb in my side |
| 23:44.08 | resiak | penguin: apt-cache search nfs; pick the right package; apt-get install it |
| 23:44.08 | caphuso | penguin: apt-cache --names-only search nfs server |
| 23:44.18 | penguin | I did that |
| 23:44.18 | cafuego | lilliput: You running Sid? |
| 23:44.27 | travisat | DrPete: 32 MB /boot, 40GB /home, rest / |
| 23:44.34 | resiak | caphuso: This is all going to end in tears. |
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| 23:44.39 | lilliput | cafuego: - unstable - |
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| 23:44.42 | PhantomCircuit | no shit but wtf is spock? |
| 23:44.46 | cafuego | DrPete: get another 80GB drive and use raid1. |
| 23:44.48 | resiak | PhantomCircuit: It's the hostname. |
| 23:44.58 | PhantomCircuit | ah |
| 23:45.03 | cafuego | lilliput: Yeah, that tends to break every now and then, especially KDE. |
| 23:45.03 | resiak | PhantomCircuit: Read what I just said. |
| 23:45.10 | j_k | penguin: then you've noticed nfs-user-server and nfs-kernel-server :-) |
| 23:45.20 | caphuso | resiak: well, doesn't it most of the time? |
| 23:45.27 | resiak | caphuso: Yes. |
| 23:45.36 | PhantomCircuit | hwo can I tell what ditro I am running? |
| 23:45.38 | DrPete | cafuego: I might, I am gonna play with a dedicated server at a DC, i dont wanna spend too much yet |
| 23:45.54 | directhex | PhantomCircuit, an old version of redhat. |
| 23:45.55 | DrPete | travisat: no /var or /usr |
| 23:46.04 | directhex | PhantomCircuit, cat /etc/redhat-release i think |
| 23:46.26 | travisat | DrPete: you want those seperate?, why? |
| 23:46.40 | PhantomCircuit | cat /etc/redhat-release empty nothing |
| 23:46.44 | caphuso | yay, only a few more hours to my operating system lecture |
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| 23:46.56 | PhantomCircuit | is there a shell command to find out? |
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| 23:47.09 | directhex | caphuso, 'pwd' |
| 23:47.10 | DrPete | travisat: I dunno, i was just asking why not |
| 23:47.18 | caphuso | directhex: nah, we had that last week |
| 23:47.18 | penguin | There is a user nfs server and a kernel nfs server. |
| 23:47.28 | penguin | Which one? |
| 23:47.28 | resiak | caphuso: cd ? |
| 23:47.29 | directhex | caphuso, 'grep' |
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| 23:47.30 | PhantomCircuit | ok tell me this does it support rpms? |
| 23:47.35 | aidehua | !seperate |
| 23:47.35 | dpkg | It's separate dammit |
| 23:47.38 | caphuso | directhex: that's a possiblity |
| 23:47.39 | directhex | PhantomCircuit, erm, you tell us |
| 23:47.45 | lilliput | cafuego: :( |
| 23:47.50 | directhex | PhantomCircuit, does 'rpm --version' return anything? |
| 23:47.54 | aidehua | dpkg: can't you be anal about speling without being prompted? |
| 23:48.02 | directhex | PhantomCircuit, hint: you're not running debian, ask in ##linux |
| 23:48.06 | penguin | What will apt-get change the kernel? |
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| 23:48.12 | travisat | DrPete: no real reason to, you keep your home seperate so you can swith distros easy without deleting your personal files, and boot seperate also. I guess I forgot swap space also |
| 23:48.14 | directhex | penguin, if you ask it to |
| 23:48.15 | meme | bwhahaha! |
| 23:48.16 | penguin | Does that require a reboot? |
| 23:48.26 | resiak | penguin: Absolutely. |
| 23:48.26 | directhex | penguin, kernel changes need reboots, yes |
| 23:48.32 | j_k | penguin: kernel-nfs-server works better wrt locking files. |
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| 23:48.49 | DrPete | travisat: well this box has 512 ram, they still use the 2x rule? |
| 23:48.53 | penguin | I think I am going with the user server |
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| 23:48.59 | resiak | penguin: Good for you. |
| 23:49.02 | penguin | Sounds easier |
| 23:49.03 | borius | what is the format string for an int with a leading zero? |
| 23:49.09 | resiak | borius: #c ? |
| 23:49.15 | travisat | DrPete: yeah, althouth with 512, 512 of swap should be more than enough |
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| 23:49.47 | travisat | DrPete: I always go with a gig of total memory, actual + swap |
| 23:49.51 | DrPete | travisat: yeah, i thought 1 gig was overkill |
| 23:50.11 | meme | Got sse working. GCC v. 3.4, 'gcc -mach=athlon -mtune=athlon -msse -mfpmath=sse a.c' |
| 23:50.14 | DrPete | travisat: so why is boot good to have seperaate |
| 23:50.22 | directhex | meme, -march |
| 23:50.37 | directhex | meme, not -mach |
| 23:50.41 | meme | ok. but got it working! |
| 23:50.42 | bob2 | meme: did it actually generate any SSE opcodes? |
| 23:50.43 | travisat | DrPete: security, you don't have to have you kernel accessible from the / unless you want to |
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| 23:51.05 | meme | yep. checked with objdump |
| 23:51.13 | meme | http://ds9a.nl/gcc-simd/ |
| 23:51.18 | DrPete | travisat: ahh, of course :) |
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| 23:51.40 | riot | why is it, that everytime i update, something in /usr/share/doc-base fscks up?? this time java-policy.. |
| 23:51.53 | riot | (SID) |
| 23:51.56 | DrPete | travisat: so 32mb /boot, 40gb /home, 512mb /swap, rest / that sound ok |
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| 23:52.23 | travisat | DrPete: thats about what mine is, except I only have 40 gigs total, but same idea |
| 23:52.23 | meme | 10 gb /usr |
| 23:52.34 | travisat | meme: why? |
| 23:52.41 | meme | :) |
| 23:52.56 | meme | why not? |
| 23:53.12 | ygnome | hi. If I take a dd copy of a hd, will dd restore it to a new drive without major issue? |
| 23:53.20 | meme | 200 mb /tmp |
| 23:53.20 | Atrocity | 20 mins until disconnect :/ |
| 23:53.20 | travisat | you got me there, just seems unnescery |
| 23:53.23 | Atrocity | hope this works :/ |
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| 23:55.13 | DrPete | travisat: with 80gb, whats the max I could have home at? without causing probs |
| 23:55.29 | denizen | evening all. Do any gnome desktop users know how to configure the multimedia keys on my keyboard? I've gone to Desktop Prefs/Keyboard shortcuts, and set keys for "Next Track" etc. They show up as XF86AudioNext or somethimg, but I cant find where I can configure the command that gets executed when I actually press the key. Any help ? |
| 23:55.51 | travisat | DrPete: 60 to 70 Gigs maybe a little more |
| 23:56.14 | travisat | gotta go |
| 23:56.20 | DrPete | travisat: ok ta |
| 23:56.33 | aidehua | Ace! Mozilla (with all its references to Xul, gatekeeper, keymaster, etc.) has a Javascript debugger called "Venkman" :) |
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| 23:57.13 | DrPete | When hosting a few websites, i have always put them in the users home dir, whats the standard way of doing it? |
| 23:57.27 | bob2 | denizen: use something like hotkeys then |
| 23:57.34 | bob2 | denizen: the gnome thing will only work with gnome music players |
| 23:57.48 | s3itz | denizen, Acme was added officially in 2.6 as far as I know |
| 23:57.49 | FieldySnuts | @lart apps that only work in one wm/dm/de |
| 23:57.53 | s3itz | that's what you wanna check out |
| 23:58.02 | denizen | bob2: I use rhythmbox, I'm pretty happy with it (though it doesnt like my ipod). Should this "just work" ? :) |
| 23:58.22 | bob2 | denizen: aiui, yes |
| 23:58.52 | drini | finally, it seems that kernel-source-2.6.10 is severely broken |
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| 23:59.10 | drini | ext3 partitions wouldn't get mounted, it'd fail to recognize root partition ven with root= , etc |
| 23:59.25 | bob2 | if you built the kernel yourself, I'd blame your config |
| 23:59.27 | drini | downgraded to 2.6.8 and now hdparm can even set the dma to 1 |
| 23:59.36 | drini | I built it my self, with the same config I've used all the time |
| 23:59.52 | drini | it build and ran flawlessly when I put a 2.6.8 |
