| 00:00.27 | meme | say... Does anybody have working PPPoE with kernel 2.6.x? |
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| 00:01.10 | bitbaud | hello guys, quick question, which debian release is known as stable? is it sarge or woody? |
| 00:01.14 | bob2 | woody |
| 00:01.28 | bitbaud | ok thx |
| 00:01.46 | bitbaud | so if im sarge im unstable right? |
| 00:01.49 | bitbaud | :) |
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| 00:02.00 | drini | you're in testing I think |
| 00:02.05 | bitbaud | oh |
| 00:02.13 | resiak | !thx |
| 00:02.13 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 00:02.14 | WiFiTux | One question. In what port does apt-get work? 80? |
| 00:02.14 | resiak | !im |
| 00:02.15 | bitbaud | so thre is woody, sarge and? |
| 00:02.19 | bitbaud | whats the other? |
| 00:02.19 | resiak | bitbaud: sid |
| 00:02.22 | resiak | !tell bitbaud -about sid faq |
| 00:02.23 | bitbaud | ok |
| 00:02.24 | bitbaud | :) |
| 00:02.31 | resiak | !tell bitbaud -about enter |
| 00:02.49 | bitbaud | !dpkg sid |
| 00:02.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 00:02.57 | resiak | !tell bitbaud -about msgdpkg |
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| 00:03.04 | bitbaud | *grins* ill use the bot :) |
| 00:03.09 | resiak | bitbaud: Thank you. |
| 00:03.23 | bitbaud | ;) |
| 00:03.30 | drini | unstable is great, makes not miss so much gentoo |
| 00:03.36 | riot | ehehe |
| 00:03.44 | riot | gentoo is for ricers.. lol |
| 00:03.53 | bitbaud | !dpkg sarge |
| 00:03.53 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 00:03.57 | denizen | well this is even wierder. All my multimedia keys work except "Next Track", which is ofcourse the one I actually need. |
| 00:03.59 | resiak | !tell bitbaud -about msgdpkg |
| 00:04.04 | WiFiTux | One question. In what port does apt-get work? 80? |
| 00:04.04 | resiak | bitbaud: ffs, /msg the damned bot. |
| 00:04.04 | bitbaud | !dpkg woody |
| 00:04.05 | dpkg | i heard woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
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| 00:04.08 | PerfDave | drini: Yeah, I really missed things randomly breaking when I stopped using Gentoo. Sid's a bit too stable, but it's the closest thing to home. |
| 00:04.12 | drini | denizen: run xev, press it |
| 00:04.20 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Uhm, depends on what sources you've specified. |
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| 00:04.23 | drini | to see what's it associated to (mines are all scrambled) |
| 00:04.28 | Gumby | any LVM users in here? Ive rebooted and my LVM is not recognized anymore. Can anyone offer any suggestions? |
| 00:04.43 | drini | I've had more problems with debian than gentoo, but I guess I'll stay away from religious wars |
| 00:04.47 | bitbaud | !dpkg sarge |
| 00:04.47 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current testing release code-name, and will be 3.1 when it's released. Ask me about <d-i> to get the installer. |
| 00:05.01 | denizen | drini: shows a KeyPress event |
| 00:05.04 | resiak | !tell bitbaud -about msgdpkg |
| 00:05.07 | resiak | (for the third time) |
| 00:05.15 | WiFiTux | PerfDave: Sid oh shit. I might have the ftp one!! |
| 00:05.28 | drini | for example, if I press raise volume it says somewhere: keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), |
| 00:05.31 | bitbaud | oh thanks |
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| 00:05.35 | bitbaud | i didnt see that :) |
| 00:05.47 | resiak | bitbaud: I hit you with it _three_ _times_. |
| 00:05.52 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, no. it's the http one. |
| 00:05.58 | denizen | drini: yup, XF86AudioNext here |
| 00:06.05 | drini | weird then |
| 00:06.14 | riot | resiak: you didn't hit hard enough :) |
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| 00:06.32 | denizen | I'd feel kinda stupid if it was a broken key.. hmm.. |
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| 00:08.05 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Then it'll be 80 (unless you've specified a different port) |
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| 00:08.09 | denizen | using Prefs/Keyboard Shortcuts to set the key to CTRL+RIGHT hasnt fixed it either |
| 00:08.13 | riot | too many bugs concerning doc-base.. |
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| 00:08.23 | DrPete | cafuego: 32mb /boot, 50gb /home, 512mb /swap, rest / that sound ok for mail/web/dns/ etc |
| 00:08.29 | riot | ..every three weeks a new one.. |
| 00:09.27 | riot | Right now i'm cursing myself for trying to install java |
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| 00:09.49 | travisat | !java |
| 00:09.49 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere |
| 00:10.00 | relex | hello, is there a way to remount all of my filesystems rw |
| 00:10.09 | Seb | how I find all files/dir in /path/to/foo except /path/to/foo itself ? I intend to find /path/to/foo -print0 | xargs -0 rm -fr but I don't wanna delete /apth/to/foo itself |
| 00:10.19 | WiFiTux | PerfDave: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 407 Proxy Authentication Required |
| 00:10.40 | relex | for some reason when i try to cat a file in /etc that i see with ls it says file not found |
| 00:10.49 | relex | i think it is because of an accidental umount -a i did earlier |
| 00:10.50 | riot | "write once, run nowhere" << YEP!! That's it! |
| 00:10.55 | relex | how do i remount it? |
| 00:10.55 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: YOu've got a proxy set in your apt.conf? |
| 00:11.00 | WiFiTux | PerfDave and I have Acquire::http::Proxy "http://alebonbe:password@172.16.8.1:3128/"; |
| 00:11.00 | resiak | Seb: rm -r /path/to/foo/* ? |
| 00:11.07 | riot | geewhizz.. this just went into me signature :) |
| 00:11.12 | Seb | resiak: note how it will gladly omit the .* files |
| 00:11.21 | resiak | Seb: rm -r /path/to/foo/{*,.*} ? |
| 00:11.21 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, it works somewhere else!! :( |
| 00:11.42 | Seb | resiak: note how it'll choke on . and .., and return a return code != 0 |
| 00:11.52 | Seb | :> |
| 00:12.10 | resiak | Seb: Well then become better at shell scripts than me and write a glob for ".* but not . or ..". One exists. |
| 00:12.27 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Hmm, maybe it's your proxy config then. |
| 00:12.40 | travisat | meh proxies suck |
| 00:12.45 | Seb | resiak: i've been looking for it, that's why I came here after a while |
| 00:12.53 | resiak | Seb: man bash? |
| 00:12.58 | resiak | Seb: #bash ? |
| 00:13.38 | Seb | i shouldn't depend on the shell, that's why I was trying to do it with find |
| 00:13.39 | denizen | resiak: I use find and -exec, I guess thats probly not what you're after though |
| 00:13.47 | deby | is sarge to be released soon? |
| 00:13.49 | resiak | denizen: It's Seb that's after it. So do I :) |
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| 00:13.52 | Seb | deby: yeah |
| 00:13.56 | denizen | eheh oh |
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| 00:14.02 | bob2 | deby: hopefully! |
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| 00:14.09 | yoshio_ | relex: mount /mnt/filesys -o remount,rw -- I think |
| 00:14.12 | Thanatermesis | in Matrox video-card exist 3d acceleration ? |
| 00:14.13 | deby | cool :) |
| 00:14.15 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, I think that, but. I mean, I can browse and do shit with that same config. I don't get it. |
| 00:14.28 | meme | may I remove non-i386 directories from kernel source? |
| 00:14.28 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: No idea, sorry. |
| 00:15.01 | bob2 | meme: no |
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| 00:15.12 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, no problem. last one, do you know what does the gkrellm duck does? |
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| 00:15.16 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 00:15.22 | meme | Uses in compilation? |
| 00:15.37 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Quacks? |
| 00:15.48 | Delph | drowns, no? |
| 00:15.57 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, really? when |
| 00:16.05 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: NFI. |
| 00:16.06 | travisat | WiFiTux: tastes good? |
| 00:16.21 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, ok. |
| 00:16.32 | WiFiTux | travisat, no. |
| 00:16.59 | travisat | WiFiTux: its quite tasty with a little picante sauce3 |
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| 00:17.19 | WiFiTux | trasvisat, bueno. |
| 00:18.14 | riot | is there a tool to find BIG installed debs? I need some more free space. |
| 00:18.24 | bob2 | debpigs |
| 00:18.26 | calin | riot: check /tmp |
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| 00:18.29 | bob2 | find it using packages.debian.org |
| 00:18.37 | calin | it might have crap there that can be deleted |
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| 00:18.40 | riot | calin: nope, got several partitions.. just /usr is too crowded |
| 00:18.44 | calin | ah |
| 00:18.46 | calin | okay |
| 00:18.50 | riot | thought about that ;) |
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| 00:19.09 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, ok. let's say it's not an http proxy! but like a Socks or whatever. Do you know how to config that? |
| 00:19.11 | WiFiTux | Someone knows how to enable proxy in apt.conf but not http proxy? |
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| 00:20.00 | DrPete | travisat: still there? |
| 00:20.02 | yoshio_ | riot: did you clean out /var/cache/apt/archives with "apt-get clean" (or autoclean instead of clean) |
| 00:20.10 | Atroc | ok, i reconnected and it brought up an error tryign to download man-db (obviously) |
| 00:20.17 | Biovore | Anyone know how they do porting in debian? |
| 00:20.19 | Atroc | to continue, should i "Go Back" or "Continue" |
| 00:20.38 | Bazz | if i have a bunch of .wav files and i want to burn an audio cd without any gaps (i've mixed them so they run together nicely) can i do that with xcdroast? if i uncheck pad tracks i get an error as it needs to pad up to secsize. is this going to cause pregaps or no? |
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| 00:20.49 | riot | yoshio_: nope ;) /var is _another_ partition hehehe |
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| 00:21.06 | riot | my system consists of 8 partitions.. nice and clean.. except /usr |
| 00:21.12 | relex | hello, how do i find out the dns servers to insert into /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 00:21.18 | docgnome | How can I figure out where my "X includes" are trying to install bbconf and can't find a deb package so i'm trying to install from source. |
| 00:21.33 | riot | bob2: can't find anything called debpigs (not even using google..) |
| 00:21.36 | resiak | docgnome: There is one. |
| 00:21.37 | dvs | relex: Ask your ISP |
| 00:21.46 | resiak | docgnome: Oh, hang on, I misread. Ignore me. |
| 00:21.59 | relex | dvs, no other way? |
| 00:22.06 | relex | resolvconf seems to have deleted my resolv.conf file |
| 00:22.15 | yoshio_ | riot: how about using (cd /usr; du -a) |
| 00:22.15 | dvs | relex: Nope. |
| 00:22.33 | dvs | relex: There's no program that you can run that will detelct DNS servers |
| 00:22.35 | Seb | so, deleting everything inside a directory, except the directory itself, but including hidden files ? I'll take shell glob solutions, or find- exec/xargs :) |
| 00:22.40 | riot | yoshio_: which is not very precise.. most binaries go to /usr/bin... |
| 00:22.42 | dvs | s/detelct/detect |
| 00:22.45 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: 'fraid not, but there's some pretty comprehensive example files in /usr/share/doc/apt/ IIRC |
| 00:22.59 | riot | i really need a tool to find the largest installed packages |
| 00:23.08 | bob2 | riot: hm |
| 00:23.20 | deby | docgnome: you have an error message about a missing .h ? |
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| 00:23.36 | Bazz | anyone? |
| 00:23.39 | bob2 | riot: dpigs, sorry |
| 00:23.44 | bob2 | in the debian-goodies package |
| 00:23.48 | riot | ah, thanks, i'll try |
| 00:23.54 | R4Ndom | how do i install a .deb package i have on my computer? |
| 00:24.05 | directhex | !dpkg -i R4Ndom |
| 00:24.22 | riot | bob2: you mean the package "debian-goodies"? |
| 00:24.24 | docgnome | deby: Not it says "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" |
| 00:24.32 | bob2 | riot: yes |
| 00:24.46 | riot | now, well.. funny.. i had that one installed already :) |
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| 00:25.22 | Thanatermesis | in Matrox video-card exist 3d acceleration ? |
| 00:25.32 | DrPete | is it worth having tmp as a partition, or does it not matter |
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| 00:25.42 | borius | can I scale down a picture with convert? |
| 00:25.47 | travisat | borius: yes |
| 00:25.49 | bob2 | DrPete: if it's a multi-user machine, it's handy |
| 00:26.00 | Thanatermesis | borius, convert -resize 800x600 file1 file2 |
| 00:26.00 | bob2 | borius: convert -scale XxY foo.jpg |
| 00:26.02 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: about the only time it makes sense is if you are concerned about security. you would want to mount it with restrictive permissions. regardless, make /tmp +t (man chmod) |
| 00:26.04 | Delph | borius: can you try it first? |
| 00:26.07 | chealer | docgnome: FYI bbconf is in unstable |
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| 00:26.13 | bob2 | DrPete: if it's just your desktop, I wouldn't bother |
| 00:26.16 | borius | Thanatermesis: thx |
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| 00:26.24 | docgnome | chealer: Oh? how unstable? |
| 00:26.38 | chealer | docgnome: I have no idea |
| 00:26.41 | DrPete | its for a server |
| 00:26.42 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: this is because a lot of exploits count on /tmp being able to be written to, then run binaries from it. if you have it as a sperate partition, you can mount it with options to deny executing binaries, making devices etc |
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| 00:26.52 | R4Ndom | What should I use to play a wmv file on debian sarge? |
| 00:26.53 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: yeah you definately want to, then. as well as /var/tmp |
| 00:26.54 | DrPete | i see |
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| 00:27.17 | FieldySnuts | /dev/hde2 on /tmp type reiserfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime) |
| 00:27.20 | FieldySnuts | like so (mount options) |
| 00:27.24 | DrPete | i got 80 gig drive, I want a large home, can you srugest a scheme |
| 00:27.31 | FieldySnuts | and chmod +t /tmp is important as well (man chmod) |
| 00:27.43 | DrPete | i see |
| 00:27.44 | deby | docgnome: try a grep X11R6 Makefile to get the path |
| 00:27.53 | Thanatermesis | anyone knows if there is 3d acceleration with matrox card |
| 00:27.53 | Thanatermesis | ? |
| 00:27.58 | chealer | R4Ndom: which wmv version? |
| 00:28.07 | sussudio | Thanatermesis: G200 and newer |
| 00:28.21 | R4Ndom | how would i know? |
| 00:28.28 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: 1G should be big enough each for /tmp and /var/tmp , usually it doesn't have to be anywhere close to that big but once in a while a retarded application installation uses up an assload in one of those locations |
| 00:28.30 | yoshio_ | docgnome: /usr/include/X11 ? |
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| 00:28.39 | Thanatermesis | sussudio, MGA 1064SG Mystique |
| 00:28.41 | chealer | R4Ndom: hum...I see totem's error message and I know :) |
| 00:28.44 | sussudio | Thanatermesis: no |
| 00:28.48 | Thanatermesis | :( |
| 00:29.00 | Nurbs | FieldySnuts: like Oracle :) |
| 00:29.06 | R4Ndom | MS WMV 9 (win32) |
| 00:29.10 | sussudio | Thanatermesis: that card is about 10 years old |
| 00:29.21 | Thanatermesis | '97 |
| 00:29.22 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: ok, can u gimme an idea what each partion should be? |
| 00:29.24 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: when building a server, the more partitions the better (to a point obviously). this way you can umount individual partitions, check/fix them and hopefully not have to stop too many services |
| 00:29.40 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: Yeah, i see |
| 00:29.41 | sussudio | Thanatermesis: it's older than the millennium |
| 00:29.53 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: yeah i'd recommend / /boot /home /tmp /var/tmp and one for web content if you do so (/var/www ?) |
| 00:29.54 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: if you had 80gig what would you have |
| 00:30.00 | jbAU | !dpkg dpkg |
| 00:30.00 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 00:30.05 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: dunno, personal preferance. |
| 00:30.08 | R4Ndom | chealer: MS WMV 9 (win32) |
| 00:30.13 | Thanatermesis | is a really mystical card |
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| 00:30.34 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: anyway, mount those partitions with the most restrictive mount options you can without breaking things. especially /home and /var/www and /tmp and /var/tmp |
| 00:30.47 | chealer | R4Ndom: only mplayer's codec will help with mplayer or xine on x86 |
| 00:30.48 | riot | *argh* "Beneat a steel sky".deb is 70 megs.. (Good game btw. ;) |
| 00:31.02 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: don't rush it, take your time and plan out the sizes. i can't decide that for you |
| 00:31.05 | WiFiTux | someone here has an awesome apt.conf that supports proxy? |
| 00:31.15 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: heh, oki |
| 00:31.16 | R4Ndom | chealer: Where could I get that? I believe the site is down.. |
| 00:31.17 | riot | (Yes, Debian has _really_ cool games *g*) |
| 00:31.54 | Thanatermesis | riot, it is a game for a scummvm interpreter |
| 00:31.58 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: i am setting up a dedicated box in a DC, i wanna get it right first time |
| 00:32.04 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: also consider even more partitions based where certain servers reside, such as squid probably /var/cache/squid , so if something dumb happens to it's partition, you can stop squid, umount, check, and not have to down the entire system |
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| 00:32.10 | riot | Thanatermesis: yep. Just removed it - need more space. |
| 00:32.13 | Thanatermesis | *lucas arts games* |
| 00:32.17 | chealer | R4Ndom: it's not down, look at the bottom |
| 00:32.17 | riot | hehe |
| 00:32.17 | Thanatermesis | hehe |
| 00:32.24 | Thanatermesis | good games |
| 00:32.25 | chealer | !tell R4Ndom about marillat |
| 00:32.26 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: yeah, good idea |
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| 00:32.53 | R4Ndom | aha thanks |
| 00:32.54 | bob2 | riot: heh, and long |
| 00:32.57 | riot | But its not from lucasarts. Just uses their engine. (They use LUA since Monkey Island 3, though) |
| 00:33.00 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: and one last thing give /boot the noauto mount option. this way it's not mounted all the time. less chance of damage there if say you suddenly lose power (people will argue with me on that) |
| 00:33.03 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: so what u think for /tmp and /var tmp size wise |
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| 00:33.17 | jbAU | DrPete, have about 1-2 gig in tmp |
| 00:33.23 | DrPete | ok |
| 00:33.27 | yoshio_ | docgnome: are you trying to install bbconf? apt-cache show bbconf, look at the Depends line, if you're missing X libraries, then get the -dev package, like xlibs-dev for the xlibs package |
| 00:33.33 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: 1GB each should be fine, i use 4 because unreal tournament is a jackass when installing |
| 00:33.40 | jbAU | DrPete, and it really depends on what you'll be doing for your var sizes |
| 00:33.41 | DrPete | lol |
| 00:33.52 | FieldySnuts | only later did i convince it to use somewhere else as a temp dir |
| 00:34.05 | DrPete | how do i save the buffer in irssi, i need this info, lol |
| 00:34.19 | Thanatermesis | 82801ba audio card... any person know this ?¿ |
| 00:34.23 | FieldySnuts | but the most important thing in all of this is the restrictive mount options for /tmp and /var/tmp , and the sticky bit on those directories after they are mounted (man chmod , look for +t) |
| 00:34.25 | WiFiTux | OK, I had it! Is there a command to check dependencies? |
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| 00:34.48 | FieldySnuts | so kiddies trying their fucking exploits will have one avenue cut off. also consider running a grsecurity kernel (you don't have to enable rbac, that shit is aggrivating) |
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| 00:34.57 | Taraxacum | hey again |
| 00:35.06 | DrPete | lol |
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| 00:35.33 | FieldySnuts | so that's about 4 years of experience learned there |
| 00:35.36 | DrPete | i was gonna stick sarge on, i assume thats ok |
| 00:35.37 | chealer | WiFiTux: apt-cache depends foo, or read the APT HOWTO |
| 00:35.44 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: hehe yeah |
| 00:35.49 | gilles | Does a file has the same size on ext3 and fat32 or ntfs file system or not ? |
| 00:35.57 | Delph | gilles: no. |
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| 00:36.00 | FieldySnuts | probably not, they allocate blocks differently |
| 00:36.03 | directhex | FieldySnuts, it took 4 years to read the command line options for loki-setup apps? |
| 00:36.13 | FieldySnuts | directhex: troll better :) |
| 00:36.18 | R4Ndom | how can i tell what version of sarge i have? |
| 00:36.24 | directhex | FieldySnuts, sorry, i'm sleepy & have been ill |
| 00:36.25 | Delph | if you define a file to be "file + wasted space at end of block + header information + amortized cost of managing the file structure" |
| 00:36.29 | dvs | R4Ndom: ???? |
| 00:36.35 | FieldySnuts | directhex: it's okay i got hammered in a car wreck, i feel really pissy |
| 00:36.39 | riot | travisat: make-kpkg buildpackage executes a make distclean before actually compiling anything.. narf |
| 00:36.45 | thingfish | yikes |
| 00:36.47 | bob2 | gilles: PICK ONE CHANNEL |
| 00:36.49 | bob2 | jesus christ |
| 00:36.49 | pureone | http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/node4.html#SECTION00420000000000000000 |
| 00:36.53 | thingfish | car wrecks are nasty |
| 00:36.58 | R4Ndom | I am trying to get mplayer, but I do not know which to get |
| 00:37.15 | yoshio_ | WiFiTux: apt-cache showpkg packagenamehere |
| 00:37.17 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: 50mb ok for boot? |
| 00:37.39 | directhex | FieldySnuts, see, this is what the shield belt is for |
| 00:37.42 | Atroc | wow, that didn't take forever O_o |
| 00:37.44 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: yeah, you can go smaller as long as it's not reiserfs (33MB minimum) |
| 00:38.15 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: ahh, i see, 32mb then |
| 00:38.36 | FieldySnuts | if you use reiserfs, (partition size - 33MB) is what will be usable |
| 00:38.59 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: ill just use ext3 |
| 00:39.00 | FieldySnuts | it's real fun finding that out the hard way |
| 00:39.09 | FieldySnuts | yeah that's what i use there, reiserfs3 anywher eelse |
| 00:39.22 | FieldySnuts | mainly because i heard bootloaders don't like reiserfs3, but i don't think that's true anymore |
| 00:39.43 | FieldySnuts | come on. I know you are out there. |
| 00:39.46 | DrPete | i have never used reiser is it any good? |
| 00:39.50 | bob2 | no |
| 00:39.51 | Nwallins | reiserfs is dying |
| 00:39.55 | DrPete | lol |
| 00:39.56 | gilles | bob2: what do you mean by PICK ONE CHANNEL ? |
| 00:39.56 | FieldySnuts | i like it. a lot of people don't, its a very heated topic |
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| 00:40.05 | DrPete | i see |
| 00:40.06 | bob2 | gilles: don't ask the same question in #ubuntu and #debian |
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| 00:40.15 | FieldySnuts | i can only say what i've seen, never any problems through some pretty extreme stuff at home and work |
| 00:40.18 | FieldySnuts | i trust it. |
| 00:40.19 | Nwallins | reiser2 has a reputation for hosing filesystems. i never had a problem with it |
| 00:40.19 | bob2 | gilles: ask in the one you're actually using |
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| 00:40.40 | gilles | bob2: i didn't ask the same question |
| 00:40.42 | directhex | i've had more implosions of ext3 than reiser. |
| 00:40.54 | FieldySnuts | same |
| 00:41.01 | FieldySnuts | xfs really bit the dust for me, but that was a while ago |
| 00:41.10 | chealer | !tell R4Ndom about msg |
| 00:41.12 | DrPete | /var/www what we looking at for that. I assume i can still all my hosted sites in there? |
| 00:41.13 | Gumby | any LVM users in here. I rebooted and my LVM got all busted up (technical explaination) pvscan gives the error. "Couldn't find device with uuid 'pvifBp-Fii0-wKCx-gM4m-VxGz-Q6Ee-oyNKL4'." That device is /dev/hdd which has that UUID when I use pvdisplay /dev/hdd. Anyone have any ideas |
| 00:41.16 | directhex | you were using XFS without a UPS? |
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| 00:41.39 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: yeah, just mind the noexec mount option for /var/www ... because then you won't be able to run cgi. |
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| 00:41.46 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: otherwise, don't use it. |
| 00:42.02 | DrPete | dont use what |
| 00:42.04 | FieldySnuts | directhex: i had one, i just unplugged it once in a while to see it die, which it did. |
| 00:42.05 | bob2 | XFS likes to NULL out files if your power goes out |
| 00:42.08 | bob2 | that's always fun |
| 00:42.15 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: the noexec mount option to /var/www |
| 00:42.32 | FieldySnuts | DrPete: unless you are NOT running cgi/perl/scripts , then, you can. noexec will stop those things from being run |
| 00:42.35 | cafuego | Which I suppose goes to show my arms are cheap. |
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| 00:42.53 | FieldySnuts | i gotta do something. |
| 00:42.54 | directhex | FieldySnuts, JFS! |
| 00:43.04 | FieldySnuts | i didn't have probs with jfs, i just didn't know it well enough to like it. |
| 00:43.05 | R4Ndom | I have pasted the different mplayer choices in #flood. please help me choose the correct one. |
| 00:43.07 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
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| 00:43.54 | burtonator | has anyone tried to load libc6-i686 2.3.4 from http://www.gotom.jp/~gotom/debian/glibc/snapshot/2.3.4-0.3.snapshot20041220.1/ |
| 00:43.59 | burtonator | it killed my machine :-/ |
| 00:44.03 | DrPete | FieldySnuts: ahh ok, i see |
| 00:44.08 | fert | hi, where is the kernel folder when i used apt-get to install kernel |
| 00:44.17 | dvs | fert: /usr/src |
| 00:44.22 | bob2 | burtonator: er |
| 00:44.24 | gilles | Is a file bigger on ext3, fat32 or NTFS ? and o which system is it the smaller ? |
| 00:44.28 | directhex | R4Ndom, if you mean on marillat, use -386 |
| 00:44.28 | fert | i actualy installed debian sarge on gentoo livecd:P |
| 00:44.29 | DrPete | i better goto bed, see you all laters, thanks for the help |
| 00:44.33 | bob2 | burtonator: installing glibc snapshots seems to be asking for trouble |
| 00:44.47 | fert | seems like i dont have via rhine support |
| 00:45.21 | fert | dvs: nop, it isn't. it's empty |
| 00:45.25 | R4Ndom | directhex: out of the -386 choices, which would be right for me? how do I know? |
| 00:45.39 | directhex | gah. paste your choices again. |
| 00:45.48 | dvs | fert: Are you talking about the kernel image or source? |
| 00:45.53 | chealer | R4Ndom: and tell us here that you paste on #flood BEFORE you paste. IRC isn't jabber |
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| 00:46.00 | Mombos | so i setup a smtp server in postfix? or is it another application |
| 00:46.03 | leOn | hi |
| 00:46.05 | fert | source |
| 00:46.10 | cafuego | gilles: It's smallest on the one with the smallest block size. |
| 00:46.15 | Mombos | do i* |
| 00:46.19 | fert | i need to recompile it |
| 00:46.36 | fert | with via rhine support |
| 00:46.38 | dvs | fert: Then it is in /usr/src as a tar.gz file |
| 00:46.48 | fert | it's empty |
| 00:46.55 | directhex | R4Ndom, erm... why don't you just have marillat in hyour sources.list? this isn't red hat, you don't download the packages by hand unless forced |
| 00:46.59 | dvs | fert: Then you didn't install it |
| 00:47.21 | fert | how can i be booted up without kernel? |
| 00:47.29 | R4Ndom | alright, what should i put in for the source? |
| 00:47.35 | dvs | fert: the kernel IMAGE is in /boot. |
| 00:47.37 | cybertek | hmm, how do you run a system command in C++ ? |
| 00:47.50 | directhex | !tell R4Ndom about marillat |
| 00:47.59 | fert | dvs: i need to recompile it. I was wondering where the hell is the source. |
| 00:48.20 | dvs | fert: If you used apt-get to get the kernel source, it should be in /usr/src |
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| 00:48.45 | fert | but it isn't |
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| 00:48.58 | dvs | fert: What kernel do you want? |
| 00:49.20 | yoshio_ | fert: do dpkg --get-selections |grep kernel, do you see kernel-source-2.4.27, etc? if you do, see /usr/src, should be a *.tar.bz2 |
| 00:49.34 | fert | i can't apt-get anything right now, cos i don't have via rhine support |
| 00:49.48 | fert | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.07 | ctmnz | where i have to search any documentation for multi-procesor support |
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| 00:50.29 | bob2 | what's there to support? |
| 00:50.32 | bob2 | install a kernel with SMP |
| 00:50.33 | bob2 | enjoy |
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| 00:50.44 | yoshio_ | fert: boot with knoppix, grab the package via ftp, save to local HD? |
| 00:50.47 | dvs | fert: Then how did you get the kernel source? |
| 00:50.55 | Biovore | ctmnz: you talking P4/HT SMP? |
| 00:51.03 | ctmnz | i want to "drive" 20 procesors |
| 00:51.11 | fert | i installed sarge on gentoo livecd |
| 00:51.15 | ctmnz | amd 64 bits |
| 00:51.16 | Biovore | 20 Procs.. thats some insane shit.. |
| 00:51.29 | gilles | cafuego: and which file system between the 3 i mentionned has the smallest the smallest block size ? |
| 00:51.46 | directhex | Biovore, not really. a 3 year old sun can happily run 24 processors |
| 00:51.53 | ctmnz | Biovore: i ask... can i make this ? |
| 00:51.59 | RedPenguin | Anyone know of a free DDNS client for Linux like no-ip's auto IP updater one for Windows? |
| 00:52.05 | Biovore | what platform you ogt? |
| 00:52.10 | ShadowRage | how do I remove a package? |
| 00:52.11 | Biovore | It can in therory |
| 00:52.22 | dvs | Shadowcat: dpkg -r |
| 00:52.22 | directhex | ctmnz, wem... just install a smp kernel. end. |
| 00:52.25 | ctmnz | 10 dual procesor mainbords |
| 00:52.31 | Atrocity | RedPenguin: the place where you're using ddns should have a linux util |
| 00:52.32 | ShadowRage | RedPenguin: no-ip has a daemon for linux |
| 00:52.36 | Biovore | ah, 10 computers |
| 00:52.40 | ctmnz | no |
| 00:52.46 | TimFreeman | I'm trying to use scim to do input in pinyin. I've installed the scim and scim-chinese packages, and when I start gnome-terminal a control-space gives me the scim window but the only input types available are English. How do I get a pinyin input type? |
| 00:52.49 | ctmnz | 10 mainbords in 1 |
| 00:52.54 | Biovore | ? |
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| 00:52.57 | Biovore | intressting.. |
| 00:52.59 | RedPenguin | ShadowRage, hmm, I will look again, I must have missed it |
| 00:53.01 | leOn | ctmnz: get the kernel source, unpack it and read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/smp.txt |
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| 00:53.17 | Biovore | The default debian kernel is setup for 8 procs |
| 00:53.19 | ctmnz | leOn: tanks.. i will see |
| 00:53.27 | directhex | 10 mainboards in 1? and how, pray tell, do you plan on interconnecting 10 boards to give NUMA across all of them? |
| 00:53.30 | leOn | ctmnz: talking about a blade server _ |
| 00:53.31 | leOn | ? |
| 00:53.44 | R4Ndom | could somebody please do that dpkg tell me about mer.... |
| 00:53.49 | ctmnz | i dont know yet |
| 00:53.49 | Biovore | thats what I am wondering directhex. |
| 00:54.04 | directhex | !tell R4Ndom about marillat |
| 00:54.11 | ctmnz | this is project .... yet |
| 00:54.12 | RedPenguin | Oh it does, ShadowRage thanks |
| 00:54.14 | directhex | ctmnz, if you work it out, you get to put people like Cray out of business |
| 00:54.15 | RedPenguin | Even Mac also |
| 00:54.21 | R4Ndom | thak you |
| 00:54.33 | kenboo | postfix package tries to create 'postfix' user with uid=108. Is this considered a bug? |
| 00:54.36 | ShadowRage | do I need logrotate? |
| 00:54.45 | kenboo | uid=108 is fixed number |
| 00:54.47 | ctmnz | i just asked |
| 00:54.53 | ctmnz | it is posible ? |
| 00:55.01 | leOn | ShadowRage: you don't need it .... but it's advisable to have |
| 00:55.13 | fert | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 install |
| 00:55.16 | yoshio_ | fert: there is a "via-rhine.o" module for 2.4.27, 2.6.8 for sarge, are you sure your default kernel doesn't have it in /lib/modules/`uname -a` |
| 00:55.37 | leOn | fert: do this ... ifconfig -a |
| 00:55.40 | directhex | ctmnz, what you're wanting to do? SMP, no. MPI? not the way you're thinking. you haven't even said what processor arch. |
| 00:55.58 | leOn | fert: do you see any device besides lo ? |
| 00:56.03 | fert | no |
| 00:56.27 | dvs | fert: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'via-rhine.ko' |
| 00:56.48 | leOn | directhex: he did ... amd 64 bit |
| 00:56.56 | dvs | oh! |
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| 00:57.47 | leOn | drini: wake up! +P |
| 00:57.48 | directhex | newisys have some whitepapers on bonding together hypertransport busses to do >8 smp on opteron |
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| 00:58.12 | fert | dvs: yes, it exist |
| 00:58.15 | yoshio_ | fert: does modprobe via-rhine do anything |
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| 00:58.25 | directhex | for MPI, the Cray XD1 and some new Pathscale oem component allow infiniband-to-hypertransport bridging |
| 00:58.47 | fert | yes |
| 00:58.55 | fert | it's Via Rhine II |
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| 00:59.08 | dvs | fert: lsmod | grep via-rhine |
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| 00:59.44 | fert | nothing |
| 00:59.46 | ctmnz | so.. how many procesors i can "drive" with debian |
| 00:59.51 | jerome | damn, 24 AMD 64, and I'm still saving some money for a mini-itx system. |
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| 01:00.02 | directhex | ctmnz, you really don't know what you're talking about, do you |
| 01:00.06 | dvs | fert: What does "modprobe via-rhine" say? |
| 01:00.07 | jerome | ctmnz: the point is not debian but linux |
| 01:00.15 | maher | ctmnz: as many as you can solder to the steering wheel |
| 01:00.17 | ctmnz | yeap |
| 01:00.20 | ctmnz | okay.. |
| 01:00.28 | ctmnz | so.. how many procesors i can "drive" with newest kernel |
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| 01:00.37 | Delph | which reminds me of a 'driving me nuts' joke. |
| 01:00.45 | FieldySnuts | ctmnz: 256 |
| 01:00.45 | fert | dvs: nothing |
| 01:00.46 | maher | ctmnz: probably a couple of hundred |
| 01:00.55 | directhex | ctmnz, irrelevant. you cannot run more than 4 opterons on a single computer with any hardware on the market today |
| 01:00.56 | dvs | fert: lsmod | grep via-rhine |
| 01:01.02 | ctmnz | this is good :o) |
| 01:01.03 | dvs | fert: What does it say now? |
| 01:01.08 | directhex | well. nothing you can afford |
| 01:01.13 | Shadow_Rage | debianppc help, but #debianppc is kinda dead atm, so anyone here know why 2.6.8-11-powermac locks up on a pmac-8500? |
| 01:01.24 | fert | dvs: nothing |
| 01:01.34 | directhex | there's a cray that can scale SMP on opterons |
| 01:01.46 | directhex | (not the XD1, which is an MPI bladecenter) |
| 01:01.47 | fert | i have expired this problem before, the solution was recompiling kernel with via rhine support |
| 01:02.05 | fert | i was wondering where is the src, so that i could recompile it |
| 01:02.24 | directhex | fert, source is in a package. it's not installed by default |
| 01:02.46 | dvs | fert: The module is there but it's not loading properly. |
| 01:03.01 | sussudio | Shadow_Rage: bunnies. |
| 01:03.16 | stew | fert: if you are using a debian kernel, you could just make sure the module is never loaded |
| 01:03.23 | Delph | sussudio: it must be bunnies? |
| 01:03.30 | sussudio | Delph: yes. |
| 01:03.39 | stew | oh wait, i misread that |
| 01:03.53 | stew | !bunnicula Delph |
| 01:04.07 | Delph | unlikely. |
| 01:04.52 | stew | denial is the first stage... |
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| 01:05.14 | sussudio | Jaffa! Cakes! |
| 01:05.29 | bob2 | yum |
| 01:05.36 | directhex | !start a food fight |
| 01:05.37 | dpkg | turkey is non-free |
| 01:05.40 | Delph | sussudio: yardlong? |
| 01:05.51 | directhex | a yard of jaffa cakes would kill me. |
| 01:05.55 | yoshio_ | fert: if a modprobe is successful, there should be no output, but you should see something with "lsmod |grep rhine". Are there tar.bz2 files in /usr/src? |
| 01:05.57 | directhex | i have 0 self-control with jaffa cakes |
| 01:07.00 | fert | yoshio_: no there isn't |
| 01:07.16 | dvs | yoshio_: fert has no network connection so apt-get is useless right now |
| 01:07.21 | fert | is there a way how to unback *deb file |
| 01:07.34 | fert | or smt |
| 01:07.37 | bob2 | fert: unpack? dpkg-deb. |
| 01:07.41 | directhex | fert, .deb is compressed using 'ar' |
| 01:07.50 | Taraxacum | what do i need to be able to do the "make install" ? |
| 01:08.14 | directhex | !b-e Taraxacum |
| 01:08.15 | dpkg | Taraxacum: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:08.25 | bob2 | !+find bin/sar |
| 01:08.26 | stew | Taraxacum: what are you trying to compile? |
| 01:08.31 | bob2 | !test |
| 01:08.31 | dpkg | Yes, bob2, you're still online. |
| 01:08.36 | travisat | !test |
| 01:08.38 | Taraxacum | a source code |
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| 01:08.43 | stew | oh really/ |
| 01:08.48 | Taraxacum | really :P |
| 01:08.49 | travisat | :( |
| 01:09.13 | Taraxacum | well i don't know how to explain |
| 01:09.28 | Taraxacum | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.35 | Taraxacum | if that makes any sense |
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| 01:10.07 | maher | Taraxacum: that's packaged for debian |
| 01:10.20 | stew | Taraxacum: what version of debian are you on/ |
| 01:10.23 | stew | ? |
| 01:10.30 | Taraxacum | sarge |
| 01:10.43 | stew | !wayc Taraxacum |
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| 01:10.54 | dpkg | Taraxacum: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 01:11.06 | Taraxacum | i didn't know it was there |
| 01:11.21 | travisat | you didn't know apt-get was there? |
| 01:11.25 | stew | Taraxacum: apt-get install iptraf |
| 01:11.30 | stew | Taraxacum: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:11.32 | maher | Taraxacum: use apt-cache search |
| 01:11.46 | gumpish | Is there anything like "sar" provided in any Debian packages? http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?sar+1 (Didn't find anything at package.debian.org) |
| 01:11.57 | Taraxacum | yupp i will |
| 01:11.59 | travisat | whats "sar" |
| 01:12.00 | Taraxacum | thanks |
| 01:12.13 | gumpish | CPU utilization reporting tool |
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| 01:13.41 | travisat | gumpish: I though it was a disease or somehting |
| 01:13.46 | gumpish | that would be sars |
| 01:13.53 | fert | Is there some possibilty to run 'dpkg --install kernel*' somehow with compiling in via rhine support? |
| 01:13.54 | travisat | oh right |
| 01:14.04 | gumpish | severe acute respiratory syndrome |
| 01:14.30 | travisat | fert: you have to compile, look up kernel-package |
| 01:14.50 | Taraxacum | what parameter do i use to remove a dir with rmdir again? |
| 01:14.54 | travisat | -r |
| 01:14.59 | travisat | -f |
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| 01:15.05 | Taraxacum | hmm i tried that but it didn't... |
| 01:15.06 | travisat | - us rm -r |
| 01:15.12 | travisat | - use rm -r |
| 01:15.22 | yoshio_ | fert: boot iwth your gentoo cd (or knoppix), go to packages.debian.org, put "kernel-source" in "search package directories", distribution "Testing", click [Search], choose a kernel, download it, then dpkg -i kernel-source-whatever |
| 01:15.30 | Taraxacum | thanks |
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| 01:15.41 | Taraxacum | rmdir only for empty dirs? |
| 01:15.46 | travisat | Taraxacum: yep |
| 01:15.50 | Taraxacum | okie |
| 01:16.08 | gumpish | I suppose you could make an alias for rmdir to make it be rm -r |
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| 01:16.21 | travisat | gumpish: that would be silly |
| 01:16.24 | gumpish | =) |
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| 01:16.53 | travisat | rm -r is less typing |
| 01:16.59 | fert | ok |
| 01:17.38 | travisat | fert: make-kpkg, part of kernel package, will compile the kernel into an installable deb |
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| 01:19.24 | yoshio_ | travisat: he doesn't have eth0, so he needs to recompile to get his module |
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| 01:20.00 | sinthetek | hey, i have a couple of questions...first one isn't debian specific but... |
| 01:20.03 | travisat | yoshio_: oh, ok.... |
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| 01:20.48 | travisat | sinthetek: so ask already |
| 01:20.50 | sinthetek | i can't seem to find the source for the sis190 gigabit ethernet driver in my kernel source. i can see it in multiple change logs up to ver 2.6.11 |
| 01:21.37 | travisat | sinthetek: so you have the 2.6.11 kernel source? |
| 01:21.39 | sinthetek | i was wondering if anyone else knows where to get this driver and/or how to get it to compile. i found a version of sis190.c and tried to compile it, but got massive amounts of errors...parse errors, undefined variables, etc etc |
| 01:21.44 | sinthetek | yeah |
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| 01:22.11 | RedPenguin | What is the proper way to add a gateway but still use DHCP? |
| 01:22.21 | RedPenguin | I only used gateway with static in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:22.33 | sinthetek | it *should* be under drivers/net but it isn't, just sis900.c is there |
| 01:22.35 | kenboo | let the dhcp server to provide gateway for you |
| 01:22.52 | RedPenguin | That is what I thought |
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| 01:23.03 | RedPenguin | I think my friend might have the DHCP server off or something |
| 01:23.08 | paxmaster | hello there i am having a problem using vsftpd server with login |
| 01:23.11 | sinthetek | i also checked 2.6.10 and it isnt in there either, although a changelog i saw on google seems to say it is |
| 01:23.14 | lyy | how do you do a grep for more then one items in a list? |
| 01:23.33 | paxmaster | it works only for anoymous |
| 01:23.34 | travisat | sinthetek: where can't you find in the kernel config |
| 01:24.00 | travisat | sinthetek: it should be somewhere in device drivers/net |
| 01:24.02 | paxmaster | the error is gave is 500 OOPS: cannot locate user entry:ftp |
| 01:24.11 | lyy | anyone konw the syntax to do something similar to rpm -qa? |
| 01:24.26 | stew | lyy: dpkg -l |
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| 01:24.30 | sinthetek | travisat: i was refering to the source code in the kernel tree |
| 01:24.33 | lyy | stew: thanks |
| 01:24.43 | sinthetek | travisat: the source for the driver isn't there, nor does it show in the menu either, though |
| 01:24.48 | lyy | shoot. brb. i'm using eterm and it doesn't know how to handle irssi |
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| 01:24.51 | paxmaster | andi i made a user call ftp and give it a passwod and made it directory in /home/ftp |
| 01:24.52 | travisat | sinthetek: well it might be included in some other option |
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| 01:25.34 | sinthetek | travisat: if it were there, it would be with the gigabit ethernet drivers, i found a url that says exactly where it was, but it isn't there |
| 01:25.59 | maher | sinthetek: debian or kernel.org kernel |
| 01:25.59 | borius | is it possible to cut off parts of an image using convert? say I want to cut off 10 pixels from the bottom of a pic |
| 01:26.30 | sinthetek | http://kernel.xc.net/html/linux-2.6.0-test4/s390/#SIS190 |
| 01:26.35 | toresbe | borius: Yeah, -crop methinks |
| 01:26.48 | sinthetek | that shows where it was with 2.6.0-test4, but it's not there now |
| 01:26.52 | borius | toresbe: k |
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| 01:26.56 | sinthetek | maher: kernel.org |
| 01:27.05 | maher | sinthetek: ok - dunno |
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| 01:27.33 | sinthetek | maher: do you know where it is in a debian kernel config? hehe |
| 01:27.59 | sinthetek | it *should* be under Ethernet 1000mbit, but it doesn't show there now... |
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| 01:28.15 | sinthetek | anyway, onto my second question... |
| 01:28.18 | deadcat | nfs wont let me write any file even when i set it to rw, new changes to nfs or something? |
| 01:28.22 | travisat | sinthetek: sis900 is in 10/100mb options |
| 01:28.23 | Taraxacum | those no-ip logs, they are from my network aren't they? |
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| 01:28.41 | sinthetek | travisat: i need the sis190 gigabit ethernet driver |
| 01:28.58 | sinthetek | different chipset than sis900 |
| 01:29.05 | leOn | deadcat: you trying to write as root with root_squash enabled ? |
| 01:29.09 | sinthetek | i tried it anyway, though. didn't work |
| 01:29.17 | deadcat | leOn: writing as regular user. |
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| 01:29.32 | maher | sinthetek: i have one in 2.6.3 |
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| 01:29.52 | leOn | deadcat: are you mounting the volume rw, and are you also exporting it rw ? |
| 01:29.52 | bemusedgod | Ask one question whether main process and sub process share with the same stout and stderr? If two pieces of LWP thread output the text to stdout at the same time , what kind of situation will appear? |
| 01:30.14 | deadcat | leOn: ya. client shows rw with mount, and server is set to rw |
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| 01:30.28 | sinthetek | i suppose i'll have to downgrade to get this new box online then. either that or blow some more $$ i can't afford on another nic, hehe |
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| 01:30.39 | deadcat | leOn: let me try exact ip rather then network. |
| 01:31.32 | sinthetek | anyway, my second question is debian specific. i have this new mobo, asus k8s-mx (with the sis190 integrated nic i need a driver for :P), with sata and such for my new athlon 64 system |
| 01:32.01 | sinthetek | for some reason during install, modprobe -v ide-detect fails and it won't/can't mount the cdrom device where the cd is |
| 01:32.08 | maher | sinthetek: the debian 2.6.3 kernel has a sis190 driver |
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| 01:32.24 | stu8 | err...OK...so, if we get the Sarge CDs, will the newest of these include the d-i installer, or is this something which needs to be gotten separately ? |
| 01:32.26 | leOn | deadcat: try using async in the export |
| 01:32.27 | Atrocity | yeah...the install just restarted because i chose a broken kernel |
| 01:32.28 | Atrocity | wtf? |
| 01:32.58 | deadcat | leOn: ok. i am using sync right now |
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| 01:33.05 | sinthetek | maher: do you have the mod? would you maybe mind building it for me? :D |
| 01:33.13 | z36ra | what do you guys suggest about nvidia vid drivers? How can you get GL without the proprietary drivers? |
| 01:33.29 | maher | sinthetek: look at archive.debian.org |
| 01:33.37 | deadcat | leOn: fuck. exact ip works. 10.10.32.0/8(rw,sync) doesnt seem to work |
| 01:33.44 | sinthetek | mmmk |
| 01:33.57 | maher | sinthetek: i meant snapshot.d.o |
| 01:34.18 | sinthetek | well anyway, i wanna put debian on this box. any idea why ide-detect would fail? |
| 01:34.25 | deadcat | holy fuck. rsync is 1.4MB/sec over rj45, nfs is 11MB/sec |
| 01:34.41 | bob2 | rsync might be IO or cpu bound |
| 01:34.44 | sinthetek | i tried disabling sata from bios and switching the cdrom from slave to master, but neither of those worked |
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| 01:34.56 | toresbe | deadcat: doesn't rsync compress? |
| 01:34.58 | stu8 | deadcats arent supposed to meow... err...talk :) |
| 01:35.09 | deadcat | bob2: i am gonna rape the fucker who suggest rsync, then kill him |
| 01:35.11 | stew | deadcat: 10.10.32.0/8 is nonsensical |
| 01:35.23 | stew | deadcat: do you mean /24? |
| 01:35.44 | deadcat | stew: no, my netmask is 255.255.255.0 for class A |
| 01:35.47 | z36ra | someone tell me about nvidia. |
| 01:35.50 | bob2 | deadcat: lovely |
| 01:35.56 | leOn | deadcat: then it's /24 |
| 01:36.06 | chealer | !tell z36ra about nvidia |
| 01:36.09 | stew | deadcat: 255.255.255.0 == /24 |
| 01:36.10 | deadcat | leOn: DOH.. hehe |
| 01:36.16 | stu8 | nvidia is propietary... either it is supported, or you need to get the driver... like that ? :) |
| 01:36.30 | deadcat | must be before i chage the mask. |
| 01:36.31 | leOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.34 | stu8 | proprietary even |
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| 01:37.12 | KonvIRC | what is linux |
| 01:37.16 | deadcat | thanks. problem fixed. |
| 01:37.21 | leOn | sh|t .. no beer |
| 01:37.26 | deadcat | but still gonna rape the rsync fucker |
| 01:37.56 | leOn | KonvIRC: it's all you ever wanted |
| 01:38.01 | KonvIRC | my kernels are corrupted |
| 01:38.08 | Codename_V | lol |
| 01:38.10 | KonvIRC | virus |
| 01:38.10 | Codename_V | sweet |
| 01:38.11 | stu8 | linux is not a what, linux is what |
| 01:38.14 | stew | KonvIRC: troll elsewhere |
| 01:38.33 | ShadowRage | ZOMG HARBL |
| 01:38.36 | ShadowRage | >__> |
| 01:38.43 | yoshio_ | sinthetek: ide-detect is in my 2.4.27 kernel, but not in 2.6.8 (default sarge kernel) |
| 01:38.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart KonvIRC |
| 01:38.50 | ShadowRage | anyone here a linux ppc user? #debianppc is kinda dead |
| 01:38.59 | stu8 | anybody see my question about sarge / d-i ? |
| 01:39.09 | KonvIRC | are there any chocolate kernels? |
| 01:39.12 | Codename_V | ShadowRage: on occasion |
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| 01:39.20 | bob2 | stu8: try #debian-boot |
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| 01:39.26 | travisat | !ops KonvIRC is an idiot |
| 01:39.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: KonvIRC is an idiot |
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| 01:39.28 | vs_zach__ | hey |
| 01:39.28 | R4Ndom | How do I install new codecs in totem? |
| 01:39.31 | stu8 | bob2 ok |
| 01:39.34 | bob2 | thanks for pointing that out |
| 01:39.37 | ShadowRage | Codename_V: ever put it on an oldworld mac? |
| 01:39.38 | bob2 | I didn't notice |
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| 01:39.43 | vs_zach__ | whats a good apt installed p2p program |
| 01:39.44 | Codename_V | ShadowRage: yep |
| 01:39.46 | bob2 | R4Ndom: install totem-xine |
| 01:39.54 | ShadowRage | Codename_V: 8500? |
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| 01:39.58 | KonvIRC | what is a debian? |
| 01:40.00 | jjazz | vs_zach__: nicotine |
| 01:40.01 | sinthetek | yoshio_: i don't recall getting that error or encountering any such problems installing with this same sarge cd on my other box :\ |
| 01:40.02 | vs_zach__ | omg |
| 01:40.05 | bob2 | KonvIRC: www.debian.org |
| 01:40.08 | vs_zach__ | debian.org |
| 01:40.09 | jharrison | does anyone know why if you uncomment the #QMAIL_DIR Maildir/ option in /etc/login.defs why the $MAIL enviroment is still set to /var/spool/user? |
| 01:40.11 | ShadowRage | Codename_V: did 2.6.8-11-powermac lock the system up on you? |
| 01:40.15 | Codename_V | ShadowRage: beats me man. I had a bunch of old macs from my work. they weren't stable though. |
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| 01:40.40 | ShadowRage | KonvIRC: HARBL. |
| 01:40.40 | bob2 | jharrison: does it set QMAIL_DIR? |
| 01:40.48 | KonvIRC | pita |
| 01:40.59 | leOn | jharrison: grep -r MAIL /etc/* |
| 01:40.59 | yoshio_ | sinthetek: does the cdrom show up in dmesg? |
| 01:41.04 | ShadowRage | KonvIRC: stop touching me down there |
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| 01:41.09 | jharrison | bob2: no it seems to set a new environment variable called MAILDIR |
| 01:41.12 | bob2 | ShadowRage: enough |
| 01:41.32 | s3ri4l | hello, i need help about iptbales, in the sintax --timestart and stop, can help me? |
| 01:41.40 | Atrocity | i quit installing debian... |
| 01:41.44 | sinthetek | i thought an asus mobo would be easy to install with, but so far the only distro that hasn't encountered any errors before install setup is fc3 :\ |
| 01:41.49 | yoshio_ | jharrison: /etc/login.defs maybe? |
| 01:41.54 | Atrocity | stupid thing killed the kernel setup...then restarted the install process |
| 01:41.55 | travisat | Atrocity: how? I still am |
| 01:42.12 | yoshio_ | jharrison: oops,d din't read your text carefully |
| 01:42.15 | Atrocity | then kept givign me errors... |
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| 01:42.24 | Atrocity | i have to restart now...i guess choosing an older kernel or something |
| 01:42.25 | bob2 | s3ri4l: try the debian-firewall list |
| 01:42.26 | windors | my linux is bigger than yours |
| 01:42.29 | bob2 | Atrocity: #debian-boot |
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| 01:42.59 | s3ri4l | bob2, hum? |
| 01:43.03 | sinthetek | i've tried slack10, debian sarge, gentoo and knoppix so far |
| 01:43.08 | Atrocity | bob2: i'm there, already |
| 01:43.15 | bob2 | sinthetek: try #debian-boot |
| 01:43.15 | jharrison | I am using Maildir format which mutt for some reason does not like. I know I can set mutt up correctly with .muttrc but I wish to change the global MAIL settings. |
| 01:43.18 | yoshio_ | sinthetek: I'm using an Asus notebook, worked fine for me |
| 01:43.19 | sinthetek | knoppix didn't even get past the pic of tux, hehe |
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| 01:43.32 | leOn | jharrison: mutt loves maildir |
| 01:43.32 | jharrison | apparently this is supposed to be done in /etc/login.defs but its just not working |
| 01:43.40 | bob2 | jharrison: mutt respects MAIL set to a dir for me just fine |
| 01:43.44 | sinthetek | yeah, the other box which already has debian has an asus mobo too |
| 01:43.48 | bob2 | jharrison: just set it in /etc/environment or something then |
| 01:43.50 | sinthetek | maybe it has something to do with the 64bitness |
| 01:44.02 | sinthetek | hrm...yeah, there is a kernel panic in dmsg |
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| 01:44.09 | sinthetek | dmesg* |
| 01:44.34 | jim | uhoh,,, better not go in there then... |
| 01:44.43 | jharrison | bob2: something like MAIL=$USER/Maildir/? |
| 01:44.53 | stu8 | sinthetek knoppix is not debian (thankfully) |
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| 01:45.03 | bob2 | jharrison: that might work in /etc/profile |
| 01:45.17 | sinthetek | stu8: that's why i listed it seperately from debian :) |
| 01:45.21 | Ashtars_fanclub | does anyone know if 2.6.11 contains alsa 1.08? |
| 01:45.26 | jharrison | bob2: let me read the manpage for /etc/environment |
| 01:45.38 | ShadowRage | screw that |
| 01:45.48 | jharrison | hhmmm |
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| 01:45.55 | jharrison | does not seem to exist |
| 01:45.59 | ShadowRage | Ashtars_fanclub: "patch" the kernel with alsa 1.0.8 |
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| 01:46.04 | stu8 | why do people release distos labeled as "based on debian" ? theres no such thing |
| 01:46.12 | minus | is there a rc.local in debian? I can't find where I can easily just stick some commands for boot? |
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| 01:46.20 | chealer | !tell minus about rc.local |
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| 01:46.26 | jim | stu8: sure there is |
| 01:46.30 | sinthetek | maybe someone could say the same thing about 'based on unix' |
| 01:46.31 | ShadowRage | Ashtars_fanclub: there's instructions in the alsa source... the latest version in the kernel IIRC is like 0.9.x |
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| 01:46.38 | minus | thanks |
| 01:46.47 | Ashtars_fanclub | ShadowRage: I dont want to, i want to run plain debian |
| 01:47.01 | dvs | ShadowRage: No, ALSA has been updated since then. |
| 01:47.03 | sinthetek | (or based on minix, as the case may be, hehe) |
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| 01:47.17 | ShadowRage | ah k |
| 01:47.17 | Ashtars_fanclub | ShadowRage, In 2.6.8 the alsa is 1.04 |
| 01:47.17 | jim | stu8: you can take debian packaging format, take some or all of the installer technology, take the base of each arch, and you have a starting point right there |
| 01:47.28 | Ashtars_fanclub | in 2.610 it is 1.06 |
| 01:47.30 | ShadowRage | is 2.6.11 available for PPC? |
| 01:47.57 | jim | ShadowRage: you can probably build one |
| 01:48.05 | stu8 | jim... well... all that is fine for serious uses... but when people start changing the basic system, they should stop "crediting" debian :) |
| 01:48.09 | sinthetek | hrm...also my other asus box has mostly via chipsets |
| 01:48.33 | sinthetek | this one this one mostly sis |
| 01:48.41 | sinthetek | stu8: and unix too? :P |
| 01:48.55 | jim | stu8: but that's the point... what if you made a distribution based on the -base- of each, and -don't- modify the bases |
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| 01:49.20 | ShadowRage | isnt ubuntu debian based? |
| 01:49.27 | Ashtars_fanclub | is kernels past 2.6.8 planned for sarge or is there an evil scheme not to? |
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| 01:49.41 | jim | for example, maybe you want a distribution specifically for pro audio (which there is one, and it is based on debian) |
| 01:49.49 | stew | Ashtars_fanclub: sarge will most likely release with 2.6.8 |
| 01:49.52 | dvs | Ashtars_fanclub: 2.6.10 is in sarge but as an optional package. |
| 01:49.53 | R4Ndom | how do I configure and/or open mplayer after I have installed it? |
| 01:49.54 | stu8 | jim... I want to produce my own version some time... but all I want is a specific package selection... Im going to leave all the basics alone |
| 01:50.01 | stew | dvs: no its not |
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| 01:50.17 | Ashtars_fanclub | dvs: optional package? |
| 01:50.19 | yoshio_ | jharrison: you didn't set MAIL in /etc/pam.d/login, did you? |
| 01:50.19 | chealer | R4Ndom: ask #mplayer. the mplayer command, most likely |
| 01:50.27 | dvs | stew: colin@raven:~$ apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.10 |
| 01:50.27 | dvs | kernel-image-2.6.10 - Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.10. |
| 01:50.37 | dvs | stew: What's that? |
| 01:50.41 | stew | dvs: you have sid sources |
| 01:50.47 | dvs | stew: no |
| 01:50.59 | dvs | stew: I strictly use sarge |
| 01:51.00 | Ashtars_fanclub | cant find it with apt-cache. only for k8 architecture or stuff like that |
| 01:51.00 | jim | stu8: so what you're talking about -is- debian, but having certain packages you'd have installed |
| 01:51.05 | stew | dvs: amd64? |
| 01:51.10 | dvs | stew: no |
| 01:51.16 | chealer | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kernel-image-2.6.10-1-386&searchon=names |
| 01:51.18 | stew | dvs: you have sid sources |
| 01:51.26 | stew | dvs: or non-official sources |
| 01:51.27 | chealer | heh, those URLs are long |
| 01:51.30 | stu8 | jim_ right... but I was also whining about knoppix :) |
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| 01:51.36 | dvs | stew: None of my apt sources is set to sid |
| 01:51.44 | belracu | any one tried to use qemu |
| 01:51.46 | jim | oh, I didn't catch that part of the conversation :) |
| 01:51.56 | stew | dvs: http://packages.debian.org/kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 01:52.10 | stew | dvs: 2.6.10 won't enter sarge becuase it doesn't build on alpha |
| 01:52.10 | vs_zach__ | hey |
| 01:52.14 | dvs | stew: The only other source I have is marillat |
| 01:52.15 | vs_zach__ | how do i delete a dir |
| 01:52.15 | Ashtars_fanclub | how come debian provides updated alsa modules for kernel 2.4 (1.08) but not for 2.6.x? |
| 01:52.21 | vs_zach__ | when i rm dir |
| 01:52.25 | vs_zach__ | it says it cant |
| 01:52.29 | maher | Ashtars_fanclub: cos they come with the kernel |
| 01:52.30 | calin | rmdir <dirname> |
| 01:52.33 | vs_zach__ | ok |
| 01:52.35 | vs_zach__ | thx |
| 01:52.37 | yoshio_ | Ashtars_fanclub: see http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2005/06/ about kernels, why 2.6.10 is not in Sarge |
| 01:52.38 | dvs | Ashtars_fanclub: Because ALSA is not in the 2.4 kernel. |
| 01:52.43 | stew | !why is kernel-source-2.6.10 not in testing |
| 01:52.44 | dpkg | kernel-source-2.6.10 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kernel-source-2.6.10 |
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| 01:53.39 | stu8 | I'll ask again, then quit vendor spam(!)... anybody recommend a good seller for Sarge CD set ? |
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| 01:54.27 | Ashtars_fanclub | any ideas about 2.6.11 is it also to be excluded because of release critical errors? |
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| 01:55.22 | jharrison | yoshio_: no |
| 01:55.24 | jharrison | yoshio_: ? |
| 01:55.26 | R4Ndom | Does anybody know how to install new codecs in mplayer? The people at #mplayer will not respond. |
| 01:55.29 | dvs | stew: My appologies, you're right. |
| 01:55.35 | chealer | Ashtars_fanclub: it won't be in sarge according to latest release update |
| 01:55.37 | stew | Ashtars_fanclub: 2.6.11 hasn't been packaged yet |
| 01:55.40 | gravity | Ashtars_fanclub: No, it's because it's not well tested and not worth the hassle to update this close to release |
| 01:55.47 | gravity | stew: Hey, what's up? |
| 01:56.01 | Ashtars_fanclub | close to release; sounds great ^^ |
| 01:56.01 | vs_zach__ | hey how do i change my wallpaer |
| 01:56.02 | stew | hey gravity |
| 01:56.06 | vs_zach__ | wallpaper |
| 01:56.10 | stu8 | gravity... "this close to release" ?? is this good news ? :) |
| 01:56.14 | yoshio_ | Ashtars_fanclub: alsa 1.08 is in Sarge, for kernel 2.4.27-8 |
| 01:56.17 | chealer | R4Ndom: you can wait for an answer more than 2 minutes, can't you? |
| 01:56.26 | gravity | stu8: No more than you already probably know. We're getting there, but we're not there yet |
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| 01:56.46 | vs_zach__ | hey how do i change my wallpaper |
| 01:56.51 | chealer | vs_zach__: depends your DE |
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| 01:56.55 | R4Ndom | No... <.< >.> I am actually supposed to be working, I must do this as fast as possible, sorry. |
| 01:56.57 | gravity | vs_zach__: What destkop environment are you using? |
| 01:56.58 | stu8 | gravity... is there any way someone like me could help test packages or similar ? |
| 01:57.04 | stew | dvs: no worries |
| 01:57.04 | paxmaster | i install debian as a bare bone so i don't have make command |
| 01:57.07 | gravity | stu8: Probably just the way you are right now |
| 01:57.14 | vs_zach__ | fluxbox |
| 01:57.18 | paxmaster | which of the package should ineed |
| 01:57.22 | gravity | stu8: If you want to help with more development-type things, I can tell you about that too |
| 01:57.25 | markmrd | hi everyone |
| 01:57.31 | vs_zach__ | gravity:fluxbox |
| 01:57.43 | gravity | vs_zach__: try xsetbg |
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| 01:57.50 | vs_zach__ | and then the file... |
| 01:57.54 | Ashtars_fanclub | yoshio: yes i know, i kind of need 1.08 for my hardware but i want to use plain sarge and 2.6.x so i guess i'm fuct |
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| 01:58.07 | gravity | vs_zach__: man xsetbg. I haven't used it in years, so I can't tell you the exact command |
| 01:58.20 | stew | stu8: there is a "bug squashing party" this weekend in #debian-bugs which is an excellent way to help |
| 01:58.23 | markmrd | I just configured and installed a new kernel, trouble is when my computer boots I see about one second of messages on the screen then it goes blank, any ideas how I can pause the messages to see what is going wrong? |
| 01:58.39 | vs_zach__ | nope |
| 01:58.46 | stu8 | stew I'll check it out, thanks ! |
| 01:59.01 | jharrison | yoshio_: ? |
| 01:59.07 | stew | stu8: bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 01:59.42 | stu8 | looking |
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| 02:00.12 | catlee | So.... |
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| 02:00.21 | catlee | When are gnome 2.10 packages going to be ready? |
| 02:00.22 | catlee | :) |
| 02:00.54 | gravity | catlee: planet.debian.org |
| 02:01.39 | catlee | gracias |
| 02:02.00 | gravity | de nada |
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| 02:03.14 | stew | gravity: i don't remember, are you in nyc or were you visiting when i met you? |
| 02:03.34 | gravity | stew: I was just visiting. I'm in Boston. |
| 02:03.40 | stew | ahh thats right |
| 02:04.15 | markmrd | can anyone explain the purpose of initrd? Is it needed to boot? |
| 02:04.32 | catlee | markmrd, sort of |
| 02:04.41 | deadcat | who is running on a mac mini? audio working? |
| 02:04.58 | gravity | stew: Ian runs Progeny, which makes Debian-derivative stuff. Deb was never really involved. |
| 02:04.58 | catlee | markmrd, the initrd ("initial ramdisk") contains all the modules needed to boot |
| 02:05.06 | gravity | stu8: Sorry, that last was for you |
| 02:05.09 | catlee | markmrd, most importantly, the filesystem modules |
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| 02:05.39 | stu8 | gravity... ahh right... OK thanks (oh wait... is Progeny commercial ?) |
| 02:05.42 | markmrd | I just built a new kernel, the first time I have done this and when the computer boots I get about 1 second of messages and then the screen goes blank |
| 02:05.45 | ShadowRage | do I need logrotate? |
| 02:05.48 | gravity | stu8: Yes, it is |
| 02:05.48 | catlee | In the stock debian kernels, pretty much everything is a module, including the filesystem support modules |
| 02:05.54 | stu8 | okey |
| 02:06.00 | stew | markmrd: initrd is an "initial ramdisk" an image that gets loaded into memory containing kernel modules. the idea is that you can put every module under the sun there and know that you will have the module you need to load the root fs |
| 02:06.02 | markmrd | I noticed that in the grub/menu.lst file there is no initrd entry for the kernl I built, is it required? |
| 02:06.30 | catlee | depends on how you built it |
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| 02:06.38 | stew | markmrd: if you are building your own kernel you can just compile the drivers you need to mount the root fs right into the kenrel |
| 02:06.48 | markmrd | I built it using the make-kpkg kernel_image command |
| 02:07.06 | stew | markmrd: once you have the rootfs mounted, you can load whetever modules you need from /lib/modules/ |
| 02:07.10 | ShadowRage | do I need logrotate? |
| 02:07.11 | catlee | use the --initrd option |
| 02:07.22 | catlee | that will create a initrd image |
| 02:07.30 | catlee | s/a/an |
| 02:07.38 | markmrd | thanks catlee and stew |
| 02:07.55 | markmrd | if I don't have a ram disk then how does the kernel get the modules when it loads? |
| 02:07.57 | c01100011 | i want to switch print managers, cups has failed me to many times, any recomendations ? |
| 02:08.08 | catlee | markmrd, they need to be built in |
| 02:08.25 | stew | markmrd: just make sure the drivers for your disk controller (ide controller?) and your root filesystem (ext3?) are compiled in (not as modules) then you don't need initrd |
| 02:08.33 | markmrd | oh so if I have modules selected in the kernel configuration I definitely need the initird otherwise it won't work |
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| 02:08.48 | markmrd | oh okay |
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| 02:09.56 | lyy_ | anyone got time to explain to me what ii, un, rc mean when i do a dpkg -l ? |
| 02:09.58 | markmrd | one final thing, if I want to rebuild the kernel again can I just run make clean or is there some package command I need to run since I installed it with dpkg -i ? |
| 02:10.25 | stew | markmrd: make-kpkg will make clean, when you dpkg -i the new .deb it will replace the old |
| 02:10.26 | mrhemlock | lyy_: the man page will tell you |
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| 02:10.38 | markmrd | awsome thanks stew |
| 02:10.39 | lyy_ | mrhemlock: ok. what word should i search for / |
| 02:10.41 | lyy_ | mrhemlock: ? |
| 02:10.50 | mrhemlock | man dpkg |
| 02:11.03 | lyy_ | yes, but what word in that man file |
| 02:11.15 | stew | markmrd: just make sure you get the driver for your actual ide controller, not just ide in general |
| 02:11.20 | mrhemlock | status |
| 02:11.35 | lyy_ | mrhemlock: ok. i'm only asking cuz i lookedi nthere and ididn't find anythign on ii un or rc |
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| 02:11.47 | mrhemlock | sorry |
| 02:11.49 | mrhemlock | man dpkg |
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| 02:12.40 | markmrd | I know my filesystem in ext3, but is ther ea command that tells me what FS is used on each disk? |
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| 02:13.26 | stew | markmrd: for mounted filesystems, use "mount" |
| 02:13.38 | mrhemlock | lyy_: or you could read apt-howto |
| 02:13.44 | stew | lyy_: dpkg -l | head, there is a legend at the top |
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| 02:14.42 | markmrd | thanks again stew - I am new to all this, sorry for asking such basic questions |
| 02:14.54 | yoshio_ | markmrd: cat /etc/fstab |
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| 02:19.33 | jetscreamer | shutup |
| 02:19.52 | travisat | no you shutup |
| 02:20.04 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 02:20.08 | travisat | hah |
| 02:20.18 | mrhemlock | may i say somthing |
| 02:20.22 | travisat | no |
| 02:20.28 | mrhemlock | why not |
| 02:20.31 | travisat | because |
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| 02:20.44 | mrhemlock | your mean |
| 02:20.53 | travisat | just because |
| 02:20.59 | ShadowRage | bob2: notice that troll hasnt come back again? I trolled him ;D |
| 02:20.59 | zignig | mrhemlock: says you poison boy. |
| 02:21.00 | mrhemlock | i'm getting my mommy |
| 02:21.33 | travisat | too late she already came |
| 02:21.38 | mrhemlock | <<< also a lisp editor |
| 02:21.53 | travisat | oh really |
| 02:21.59 | mrhemlock | yep |
| 02:22.03 | travisat | neat |
| 02:22.03 | ShadowRage | O RLY? |
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| 02:22.55 | humbolt | are the kdelibs actually licensed in a way that I can create a commercial kde application using commercial qt license? |
| 02:23.23 | travisat | humbolt: hmm probably |
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| 02:23.30 | prahal | to see the fs on partitions : fdisk -l /dev/hda (do ir per disk) |
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| 02:23.40 | Gumby | anyone in here use LVM? I am looking for a little help. I've reduced my LVM but it doesnt seem to mount due to lack of filesystem (or the inability to read it) |
| 02:23.42 | paxmaster | how could i make vsftp enable ssl |
| 02:23.55 | prahal | humbolt: kde is gpl , only qt has commercial on windows licence issue |
| 02:24.06 | prahal | so yes |
| 02:24.12 | humbolt | but kdelibs is lgpl |
| 02:24.28 | humbolt | i have been told in #kde |
| 02:24.38 | travisat | so read the lgpl |
| 02:24.45 | Ashtars_fanclub | http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~tb3deer/bilder/ghoul31.jpg painted in the gimp also |
| 02:24.53 | maher | humbolt: it varies - check the ones you want to use |
| 02:24.58 | travisat | a |
| 02:25.06 | travisat | errr oops |
| 02:25.07 | prahal | hum sorry it may be ... i was trying to point out that only qt has issue with commercial use |
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| 02:25.28 | Ashtars_fanclub | appologies, i pasted in the wrong window |
| 02:25.43 | travisat | Ashtars_fanclub: derr okay |
| 02:25.53 | prahal | i knew that kde desktop was gpl and though the libs where too ... thank you for the update |
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| 02:26.40 | prahal | then you can even more |
| 02:26.41 | humbolt | does anybody actually use photoshop with wine on a professional daily basis? It never worked for me. Actually, I never got any win app running sucessfully with wine. |
| 02:27.18 | prahal | humbolt: i did with phostoshop 6, 7 had a few issue mainly in teh instalelr and icons , mx won't work last time i checked |
| 02:27.38 | travisat | humbolt: solitaire works great with wine |
| 02:27.51 | humbolt | I could not get it to install! |
| 02:28.01 | nevyn | humbolt: photoshop is supported by crossover office. |
| 02:28.01 | prahal | humbolt: you should use wine upstream apt source too |
| 02:28.07 | humbolt | super duper |
| 02:28.20 | humbolt | ?? |
| 02:28.36 | travisat | ?? |
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| 02:28.57 | humbolt | source from experimental or unstable? |
| 02:29.02 | cafuego | humbolt: Minesweeper works with Wine. |
| 02:29.22 | travisat | mrh minesweeper |
| 02:29.23 | cafuego | in between that and solitaire you have all useful windows software covered. |
| 02:29.26 | humbolt | format c: works with wine |
| 02:29.51 | travisat | humbolt: you know I never tried that |
| 02:29.53 | mrhemlock | << agrees with carfuego |
| 02:29.57 | Meisterc | quick question to a Gnome user... I need my Trashcan :) it is gone... I tried going through "Configuration Editor" -> "apps" -> "nautilus" -> "desktop" and checked the "trash_icon_visible, but the damn Trashbin is not poping up ... Any ideas ? |
| 02:29.58 | JunK-C | if im in /a/b/c/d/e/f/ and ive to go to /foobar/, im doing cd /foobar/, is there any way to return to /a/b/c/d/e/f/ without doing cd /a/b/c/d/e/f/ ? any special vars for the previous directory? |
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| 02:30.14 | travisat | Meisterc: bleh trashcans are for wimps |
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| 02:30.18 | prahal | humbolt: deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/ binary/ |
| 02:30.19 | Meisterc | hehe |
| 02:30.23 | Biovore | wine also has the abllity to run windows viruses.. :-/ |
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| 02:30.31 | Meisterc | I like my Trashbin |
| 02:30.36 | mrhemlock | did new gnomevfs in sarge get rid of udev dependancy ? |
| 02:30.38 | humbolt | cafuego: ever tried to do a professional layout with fucking gimp? gimp sucks bigtimes, it does not even support kerning, at least it does not work and usability is horrible! |
| 02:30.40 | travisat | I like your too |
| 02:30.45 | jetscreamer | kpat>sol.exe |
| 02:31.00 | cafuego | humbolt: yes, that's why my box dual-boots Windows <heh> |
| 02:31.03 | prahal | humbolt: well it should but nobody force you to link c: to / :) |
| 02:31.13 | jetscreamer | mrhemlock, no it didn't |
| 02:31.16 | calin | WOuld it be difficult to interface an IDE tape drive with my debian? |
| 02:31.25 | jetscreamer | just got it as a dep atm |
| 02:31.31 | cafuego | calin: No, that should be trivial. |
| 02:31.32 | mrhemlock | jetscreamer: thankyou |
| 02:31.32 | jetscreamer | calin, load the module |
| 02:31.40 | calin | jethro: thanks |
| 02:31.43 | calin | err |
| 02:31.46 | jetscreamer | tabbuddy! |
| 02:31.46 | calin | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 02:31.49 | travisat | I wish there was a professional linux graphics app, but alas there isn't |
| 02:31.53 | lyy_ | I'M HA |
| 02:31.59 | calin | travisat: the gimp |
| 02:32.03 | jetscreamer | travisat, i just found something cool.. one moment |
| 02:32.04 | calin | hehe |
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| 02:32.15 | lyy_ | i'm having a hard time understanding what the first 3 letters mean when i do a dpk -l on a package |
| 02:32.24 | travisat | calin: thats about as professional as kde |
| 02:32.34 | gravity | bltzfsck: xfig rocks |
| 02:32.36 | Meisterc | Yo JunK-C try using "cd -" |
| 02:32.44 | gravity | Although I've become more and more enamored with inkscape lately |
| 02:32.48 | bltzfsck | gravity knows what's what |
| 02:32.50 | humbolt | prahal: do you use a lot of packages from Ubuntu? |
| 02:33.00 | bltzfsck | what's inkscape? |
| 02:33.00 | hydrogen | I use Internet explorer in wine. |
| 02:33.00 | hydrogen | so there |
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| 02:33.11 | travisat | hydrogen: I bet you feel special |
| 02:33.12 | asg | lyy_: look at the first 3 lines of the output |
| 02:33.22 | lyy_ | ok |
| 02:33.27 | yoshio_ | lyy_: dpkg -l |head -6 |
| 02:33.43 | jetscreamer | travisat, http://www.jahshaka.com/ |
| 02:33.44 | gravity | bltzfsck: Download it and check it out. It's an SVG drawing app |
| 02:33.49 | gravity | bltzfsck: It's very spiffy |
| 02:34.05 | michal_ | wtf? are sarge security updates online or is the sarge guess not even based on the wwsr ? |
| 02:34.05 | bltzfsck | ok, what's svg? |
| 02:34.13 | cafuego | inkscape is vector drawing |
| 02:34.14 | humbolt | prahal: wine.sourceforge.net and debian unstable have 20050211-1 by the way |
| 02:34.18 | bltzfsck | ah |
| 02:34.29 | bltzfsck | is that like povray? |
| 02:34.31 | lyy_ | yoshio_: so a un would mean that it's unknown and not installed? what does it mean to be unknown? |
| 02:34.36 | travisat | is it better thAn inkscape |
| 02:34.44 | cafuego | See also Scribus |
| 02:34.47 | asg | lyy_: yes |
| 02:35.02 | cafuego | bltzfsck: No, that's not like povray, which is a raytracing app. |
| 02:35.02 | asg | lyy_: ii is (you want it to be installed and it is) |
| 02:35.06 | travisat | so far inkscape is my favorite linux graphics app |
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| 02:35.36 | travisat | asg is a simpleton |
| 02:35.47 | asg | travisat: the simpler the better |
| 02:35.49 | cafuego | travisat: So what else is new? |
| 02:35.54 | travisat | i guess so |
| 02:36.03 | prahal | humbolt: great, i will switch back http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=17, CS (not mx sorry it s late) is pretty impossible to install (without windows) |
| 02:36.03 | lyy_ | asg: and rc are removed packages with configuratoin files still on the system? |
| 02:36.04 | mrhemlock | cowsay has full access from command line |
| 02:36.09 | asg | lyy_: yep |
| 02:36.13 | travisat | mrhemlock: so does imagemagick |
| 02:36.21 | jetscreamer | not all the updates are implemented yet michal_ afaih |
| 02:36.21 | prahal | humbolt: but 7 works (no folder :( |
| 02:36.28 | bltzfsck | how can you do graphics from a commandline? |
| 02:36.34 | bltzfsck | other than figlet |
| 02:36.35 | jetscreamer | glcowsay |
| 02:36.42 | dondelelcaro | bltzfsck: quite easily, with things like imagemagick |
| 02:36.45 | asg | bltzfsck: cowsay -f stimpy Nummies |
| 02:36.49 | travisat | bltzfsck: imagemagick, adesklets, etc |
| 02:36.53 | lyy_ | asg: so if i want only packages that are installed, i want them to be ii |
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| 02:36.57 | yoshio_ | lyy_: if the package is installed, then the first letter is "i", if you've removed it, then "r", "u" probably means you never installed it |
| 02:37.03 | asg | lyy_: yes |
| 02:37.04 | prahal | humbolt: winetools is in debian (thoug i prefer sidenet but support less applications) |
| 02:37.12 | lyy_ | i see |
| 02:37.18 | stew | yoshio_: no if its installed the second letter is i |
| 02:37.26 | asg | lyy_: dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii (will list packages that are not in that state) |
| 02:37.27 | yoshio_ | lyy_: oops |
| 02:37.38 | travisat | damn I'm drunk |
| 02:37.44 | prahal | humbolt: no more from kalyxo (freenx) |
| 02:37.49 | lyy_ | ok |
| 02:37.56 | travisat | yeah |
| 02:38.11 | yoshio_ | lyy_: the second letter "i" means installed, the first one means you want to install it with a tool like dselect, but you haven't installed it yet |
| 02:38.20 | travisat | its wednesday night, and I want to fight, lets all have another beer....burp |
| 02:38.20 | lyy_ | asg: so it's not logical to assume that a package is installed if i do a dpkg -l kdebase and get something back |
| 02:38.21 | asg | yoshio_: I think he's figured it out |
| 02:38.43 | travisat | bltzfsck: good for yo |
| 02:38.47 | travisat | u |
| 02:38.48 | lyy_ | i'll have to man dselect. no clue what it is. |
| 02:38.53 | asg | lyy_: right, it might be 'un' |
| 02:38.56 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
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| 02:38.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 02:39.12 | humbolt | prahal: sidenet? |
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| 02:39.16 | bltzfsck | travisat: donuts and beer, have no fear |
| 02:39.22 | travisat | you betcha |
| 02:39.38 | travisat | I think jetscreamer is having some isp problems |
| 02:39.40 | asg | thomas_adam: the TOC for LDH is finalized. Should be out near the end of the month I expect. |
| 02:39.48 | deadcat | !.bash_aliases |
| 02:40.16 | Roadrunne | hi all, how to get the file count including files in subdirectories? "ls -lAR | wc -l" shows too much. |
| 02:40.18 | asg | deadcat: man bash (/ALIASES) |
| 02:40.24 | yoshio_ | lyy_: dselect is a package selection tool like aptitude, lots of people hate it. aptitude is much newer, may be a better choice |
| 02:40.35 | deadcat | Roadrunne: find |
| 02:40.36 | bltzfsck | tell the truth, travisat. youre drinking cosmos with little umbrellas in 'em |
| 02:40.39 | yoshio_ | lyy_: err people hate dselect |
| 02:40.44 | lyy_ | asg and yoshio_ thank you for your help |
| 02:40.45 | mrhemlock | find /somedir -type f |wc -l |
| 02:40.52 | asg | lyy_: you're welcome |
| 02:41.02 | deadcat | asg: i was just wondering if i should put my aliases in .bashrc or .bash_aliases, i've have them in .bashrc for yrs now |
| 02:41.02 | prahal | humbolt : try winetools first . both setup wine and install applications for you |
| 02:41.06 | asg | Roadrunne: it's probably picking up each directory's |
| 02:41.09 | asg | Roadrunne: . and .. |
| 02:41.18 | Meisterc | I want my Trashcan back ! |
| 02:41.24 | asg | deadcat: .bashrc sounds good |
| 02:41.51 | asg | deadcat: no reference to 'bash_aliases' in bash(1) anyway |
| 02:41.57 | humbolt | hydrogen: What version of IE do work under wine? Is the installer form MS all you need or do you need any more dlls, ... |
| 02:42.07 | deadcat | asg: ya. but the new /etc/skel/.bashrc has a if statement to check ~/.bash_aliases so i was just wondering. |
| 02:42.12 | prahal | humbolt: i just feel that sidenet is easy to hack on , works like apt (deb ftp://adobe.com/phosotoshop wine , wouldn't that be great ?)t |
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| 02:42.31 | humbolt | Do most apps for wine actually just work, if I have a real win98 in place that I use when I install the apps? |
| 02:42.32 | Roadrunne | deadcat, mrhemlock, asg: thx. i'll try it |
| 02:42.45 | deadcat | what i do? |
| 02:42.49 | asg | deadcat: oh, okay. That is just a local sourced file. You can do either. |
| 02:42.54 | prahal | when winetools is a big pile of hacks to work around old wine bugs (which sometime are already fixed) |
| 02:43.04 | lyy_ | what package is the KDE desktop environment a part of? kdebase? |
| 02:43.10 | prahal | humbolt: most works without any windows partition |
| 02:43.16 | deadcat | asg: k. guess i'll just stick with .bashrc, i have so many .bash* files already. hehe |
| 02:43.22 | asg | deadcat: :) |
| 02:43.31 | asg | !install kde |
| 02:43.31 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 02:43.58 | asg | travisat: better than beating a dead horse |
| 02:44.03 | prahal | humbolt: but you still need to instal dcom95 (dcom98 is better but you need a windows licence) for most (winetools/sidenet install them) |
| 02:44.04 | lyy_ | dpkg: which one is responsible for creating the .kde folder in people's directory? |
| 02:44.05 | dpkg | okay, lyy_ |
| 02:44.07 | travisat | who the hell wants to install kde, its like a bloated dinosour. yes a dinsour |
| 02:44.14 | asg | !forget which one |
| 02:44.14 | dpkg | i forgot which one, asg |
| 02:44.23 | asg | lyy_: dpkg is a bot |
| 02:44.25 | Roadrunne | mrhemlock: how can i search for files and symlinks? '-type lf' doesn't work |
| 02:44.30 | meowdog | can you use wildcards in bash scripts? |
| 02:44.30 | lyy_ | asg: oops |
| 02:44.31 | stu8 | travisat what do you suggest, rather than KDE ? |
| 02:44.42 | asg | lyy_: :) you might also consult #debian-kde |
| 02:44.43 | meowdog | like for i in $awconf* do ... etc... |
| 02:44.45 | mrhemlock | man find |
| 02:44.45 | travisat | stu8: ion3 |
| 02:44.51 | lyy_ | i will do that |
| 02:45.07 | prahal | travisat: sorry it is the cleanest framework available ... the ui is not everything |
| 02:45.07 | stu8 | travisat... KDE works for me... its getting a little big, I agree |
| 02:45.07 | asg | stu8: fvwm is also nice |
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| 02:45.26 | stu8 | asg I use fvwm... its just fine, yep |
| 02:45.27 | travisat | fvwm is like the only other wm worth mentioning |
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| 02:45.49 | tvn | some lightwm + screen ! |
| 02:45.54 | asg | travisat: I haven't converted to ion3 yet, about to switch from v2 |
| 02:46.13 | travisat | asg: not much difference |
| 02:46.15 | humbolt | prahal: I do not find a winetools package only winesetuptk wine-utils |
| 02:46.27 | asg | travisat: yeah, at least for what I use it for |
| 02:46.32 | stu8 | oh wait... isnt ion3 the new blackbox... or have I gotten my mini-wms wrong :) |
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| 02:46.41 | asg | stu8: ion3 != *box |
| 02:46.48 | stu8 | :) |
| 02:46.49 | travisat | stu8: UMM NO |
| 02:46.52 | spl0it | I want to create a database design, and I need a suggestion for a tool in linux.. in windows I would just use enterprise manager or something, but I need a standalone app or addition for mysql... |
| 02:47.11 | deadcat | travisat: most people here uses openbox |
| 02:47.13 | Roadrunne | mrhemlock: it allows only one type?! |
| 02:47.35 | travisat | deadcat: most people here are decent fellows then |
| 02:47.41 | stew | deadcat: really? |
| 02:47.54 | deadcat | stew: ya. me and 5 more users. (= |
| 02:48.01 | mrhemlock | no, you can and or or the types / command line args |
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| 02:48.16 | stu8 | nothing about the basic desktop |
| 02:48.24 | gravity | :q |
| 02:48.27 | gravity | Shit |
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| 02:48.38 | travisat | deadcat: i'll use enlightenment before openbox though |
| 02:48.39 | gravity | Now everyone knows I use vi! Oh no! |
| 02:48.44 | stew | gravity: you mean :q! |
| 02:48.49 | deadcat | travisat: 17? |
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| 02:48.55 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:48.55 | travisat | deadcat: hell no |
| 02:48.55 | stu8 | enWHATenmint ??!! :) |
| 02:48.57 | Roadrunne | mrhemlock: how? |
| 02:49.16 | travisat | e17 is like the buggiest wm ever |
| 02:49.22 | stu8 | enWHATenmint is the original bloated windows-alike |
| 02:49.25 | mrhemlock | Roadrunne: if you cant read a man page i dont have time to help sorry |
| 02:49.33 | travisat | stu8: no, kde is that |
| 02:49.52 | stu8 | icewm is still nice :) |
| 02:50.09 | deadcat | stew: because it looks liek windows? (= |
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| 02:50.16 | travisat | icewm, is good to poop on, pixmap related wms are shit |
| 02:50.19 | gravity | icewm is nice |
| 02:50.31 | gravity | stu8: You may like wmaker as well |
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| 02:50.55 | spl0it | I want to create a database design, and I need a suggestion for a tool in linux.. in windows I would just use enterprise manager or something, but I need a standalone app or addition for mysql...??? |
| 02:50.59 | deadcat | gravity: i've used wmaker before. it aint bad. but the themes are shits. shitiest shits ever |
| 02:51.10 | Catsby | spl0it, vim or emacs :o) |
| 02:51.13 | travisat | wmaker is like a bloated nextstep, or in otherwords useless |
| 02:51.21 | prahal | humbolt: hum sorry it is only in the wine source |
| 02:51.27 | prahal | apt source i meant |
| 02:51.33 | stu8 | deadcat you can use any "background" theme you want with wmaker, no ? |
| 02:51.40 | gravity | deadcat: They're ok, but I don't love them |
| 02:51.45 | deadcat | stu8: theme is NOT the background. |
| 02:51.49 | stu8 | oh |
| 02:51.53 | meowdog | whats a good laptop to buy for linux.. |
| 02:51.53 | meowdog | heh |
| 02:52.09 | spl0it | how the hell will vim create a database layout for me? |
| 02:52.10 | asg | meowdog: Thinkpads are generally well supported |
| 02:52.11 | meowdog | toshiba/panasonic/lg/sony/dell/hp/and/or/compaq |
| 02:52.14 | travisat | meowdog: an old dell inpisiron 5100 works great |
| 02:52.15 | gravity | meowdog: Lots of people like ibooks, although you don't get airport extreme |
| 02:52.16 | meowdog | asg: thats what i've heard.. |
| 02:52.19 | gravity | meowdog: I love my lifebook |
| 02:52.20 | deadcat | gravity: they all look the same to me. as in the close button. its because the are NextStep right? i dont know, its just ugly to me. |
| 02:52.20 | spl0it | someone help me, I know there are apps out there, what are they? |
| 02:52.21 | asg | meowdog: try tuxmobile.org for more info |
| 02:52.26 | karsten | meowdog: One that works. IBM rawks by pretty much all reports. |
| 02:52.26 | Biovore | thinkpads work/ dell work well too |
| 02:52.28 | stu8 | meowdog... buy my laptop... its a 486... BUT... it needs a new screen, and... :) |
| 02:52.29 | meowdog | gravity: fujitsu |
| 02:52.33 | gravity | meowdog: Yep |
| 02:52.34 | asg | meowdog: old dells are good too |
| 02:52.37 | karsten | meowdog: Avoid ARM Computer like the plague. |
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| 02:52.43 | deadcat | karsten: what wm you use? |
| 02:52.44 | karsten | meowdog: ...if they're even in business anymore. |
| 02:52.53 | karsten | deadcat: WMaker, duh! |
| 02:52.55 | asg | meowdog: or any dell that still supports APM since their ACPI support is just crap |
| 02:52.56 | deadcat | HAHAHAH |
| 02:53.00 | meowdog | im looking for something i can get off Ebay, with wireless support and a decent proc for less than 1000 |
| 02:53.09 | meowdog | i hate dell |
| 02:53.11 | travisat | karsten: bleh you need to use a decent wm |
| 02:53.12 | Catsby | A laptop, meowdog? |
| 02:53.12 | meowdog | im not going to get a dell |
| 02:53.17 | meowdog | Catsby: a LAPTOP |
| 02:53.21 | karsten | travisat: That's why I do. |
| 02:53.22 | stu8 | meowdog oh... well... youll find lots for less than 1000 |
| 02:53.23 | meowdog | Catsby: you know a mobile computer? :) |
| 02:53.25 | Catsby | I see, a LAPTOP! |
| 02:53.31 | travisat | karsten: use fvwm at least |
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| 02:53.35 | karsten | !beer mwilson |
| 02:53.40 | Catsby | I was clarifying in case you wanted me to search for you, meowdog ;-) |
| 02:53.41 | meowdog | stu8: i want a decent one though.. like at least a p3-900 or maybe p4.. with wireless capabilities.. |
| 02:53.47 | meowdog | catsby: ya that'd be nice =] |
| 02:53.52 | Catsby | Now don't be naughty! Moooo :o) |
| 02:53.52 | karsten | mwilson: aptitude crapped on me just like you mentioned yesterday. While I was running a class. |
| 02:54.01 | deadcat | karsten: dont wake him up. else he will be bitching here again. |
| 02:54.02 | karsten | travisat: Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. |
| 02:54.06 | meowdog | im a cat/dog i dont mooo i meowarf |
| 02:54.06 | karsten | deadcat: Heh. |
| 02:54.13 | gravity | karsten: Aptitude crapped out on you? |
| 02:54.14 | Catsby | Meowarf! |
| 02:54.16 | Catsby | Moo! |
| 02:54.18 | stu8 | meowdog... Ive seen newish 1ghz at $100 _ used anyways |
| 02:54.22 | travisat | karsten: wear it anymore? if not can you send it to me |
| 02:54.24 | meowdog | 100? |
| 02:54.27 | meowdog | no way |
| 02:54.28 | spl0it | doesn't anyone in here design database layouts in linux? |
| 02:54.33 | meowdog | stu8: not a 100.. |
| 02:54.33 | deadcat | no |
| 02:54.36 | meowdog | stu8: on ebay? |
| 02:54.37 | karsten | gravity: aptitude apparently runs different lists of what's installed depending on whether you're interactive or cmdline. |
| 02:54.40 | stu8 | meowdog liquidations that kind of place |
| 02:54.43 | gravity | spl0it: Huh? |
| 02:54.51 | gravity | karsten: Oh ugh. That sucks |
| 02:54.54 | gravity | I didn't know that |
| 02:55.03 | Catsby | How about a 2.8GHz P4 with 802.11G and 256MB RAM for US$699? |
| 02:55.05 | karsten | gravity: So: installed a bunch of stuff (gnome, kde) interactively. Realized we didn't have an X display manager. List of ~100 packages to be removed. |
| 02:55.06 | gravity | Well... aptitude needs help, but no one has stepped up to do it |
| 02:55.07 | asg | karsten: another reason not to use it |
| 02:55.08 | meowdog | stu8: whats a good place to look at that |
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| 02:55.15 | spl0it | you know setup tables and draw lines with the primary keys n such.. what do you use in linux? |
| 02:55.17 | gravity | karsten: Ugh. That sucks. |
| 02:55.17 | meowdog | Catsby: canadian.. is it under a thousand? |
| 02:55.18 | Catsby | I've never used Aptitude, it scares me :o( |
| 02:55.19 | karsten | gravity: It's easy enough to fix, *if* you know to watch for it. But it's a fbug. |
| 02:55.27 | deadcat | spl0it: dont know |
| 02:55.35 | stu8 | Catsby yea... nice... |
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| 02:55.39 | gravity | spl0it: There aren't really any options right now. I've got an app ITP'ed for that sort of thing, but it's not ready for real use yet |
| 02:55.41 | karsten | asg: even when aptitude fucks up, it's nice enough to leave a permanent record about it. |
| 02:55.52 | gravity | spl0it: No one likes acess much, so no one has re-implemented it |
| 02:56.08 | Catsby | US$700 is CA$843 |
| 02:56.13 | asg | karsten: yeah, it has some nice features, granted. |
| 02:56.24 | gravity | spl0it: I think there's an app that the Kompany makes that you might be able to use |
| 02:56.33 | gravity | spl0it: It seems like most people do their DB design by hand in linux |
| 02:56.38 | calin | What's +E? |
| 02:56.42 | deadcat | karsten: you work with Macs at work? wireless airport? |
| 02:56.47 | calin | ignore /msg s? |
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| 02:57.15 | travisat | its pretty |
| 02:57.17 | spl0it | gravity: i can do it by design but I want some boxes and arrows n shit, and then I'll write the scripts to create it after, I just want to draw it out, and need a program that 'allows/assists' in that...theres gotta be something.. |
| 02:57.29 | asg | calin: ignore /msgs from unregistered people |
| 02:57.33 | calin | ah |
| 02:57.35 | gravity | spl0it: Well, if all you want is to draw it, try dia |
| 02:57.39 | asg | spl0it: dia is often used for such things |
| 02:57.42 | stu8 | basically, Id stick with 1ghz laptops... those are getting really cheap. |
| 02:57.44 | gravity | spl0it: But it won't generate the db or anything for you |
| 02:57.55 | spl0it | gravity: oh thats cool I dont' care about that |
| 02:58.03 | gravity | Ok, yeah. dia is your best bet then |
| 02:58.04 | spl0it | gravity: its just too complex to create in my head |
| 02:58.07 | gravity | Gotcha |
| 02:58.07 | spl0it | thanks guys |
| 02:58.10 | travisat | calin: I ignore msgs from everyone but ops |
| 02:58.12 | gravity | spl0it: If that doesn't work, try xfig |
| 02:58.16 | Catsby | http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=34-115-191&DEPA=3 for a 2.8GHz. |
| 02:58.23 | spl0it | okay thanks! |
| 02:58.23 | lyy_ | How is it that when i do a dpkg -l kdebase and get a reply back thta it's "un" -unknown and possibly not installed, when i'm actually using the kde desktop ? |
| 02:58.40 | karsten | deadcat: No. x86 HW. |
| 02:58.56 | stu8 | lyy... ummm... are you using Sarge by any chance ? |
| 02:59.06 | asg | lyy_: kdebase is probably a dummy package for pulling in all the other ones |
| 02:59.22 | asg | lyy_: you don't need it installed per sé |
| 02:59.31 | lyy_ | stu8: how do i tell? i'm on linspire - yes, go ahead and laugh, but i gotta do this on linspire |
| 02:59.41 | deadcat | HAHAHAHAHAH pussy |
| 02:59.55 | stu8 | lyy... uggh... Im not laughing, but tears are falling :) |
| 02:59.59 | asg | lyy_: don't worry about it then, if you are running it and it works, don't worry about kdebase |
| 03:00.05 | deadcat | stu8: i am. HAHAHAHAHHAAH that pussy |
| 03:00.07 | dvs | !pal lyy_ |
| 03:00.40 | markmrd | if I have a pentium mobile processor, is there a way for me to tell what speed it is running at since it can step to various speeds? |
| 03:00.41 | stu8 | dpkg go back to your channel, and leave these debian users alone pleez :) |
| 03:00.53 | stu8 | lololol |
| 03:01.12 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:01.36 | yoshio_ | lyy_: type "apt-cache show kdebase", it only exists to pull in other packages, it doesn't do anything by itself |
| 03:01.36 | stu8 | isnt travisat... you know... some kind of tranquilizer or something ? |
| 03:01.38 | asg | markmrd: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:01.48 | jjazz | markmrd: cat /proc/cpuinfo might tell you |
| 03:01.50 | karsten | deadcat: Why? |
| 03:02.03 | deadcat | karsten: was gonna ask you to steal an airport for me. (= |
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| 03:02.19 | karsten | deadcat: Heh. Fat chance. |
| 03:02.21 | prahal | humbolt: success with winetools ? |
| 03:02.32 | asg | karsten: he's been watching Die Hard 2 apparently |
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| 03:02.41 | karsten | asg: ?? |
| 03:02.45 | karsten | asg: Never saw that one. |
| 03:02.46 | asg | karsten: nevermind |
| 03:02.56 | deadcat | asg: sounds like a shitty movie |
| 03:02.57 | stu8 | real debian users dont need a window manager :) |
| 03:03.00 | travisat | stu8: whats you talking bout |
| 03:03.04 | asg | deadcat: it was, I don't recommend it |
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| 03:03.25 | deadcat | stu8: bullshit |
| 03:03.30 | asg | stu8: well, one that houses a bunch of rxvts is nice |
| 03:03.38 | travisat | I use ion3 |
| 03:03.45 | travisat | and I am a real debian user |
| 03:03.56 | travisat | at least I think so |
| 03:04.07 | asg | travisat: or you play one on TV |
| 03:04.18 | deadcat | stu8: because you cant config your X. HAHAHAHA |
| 03:04.19 | travisat | asg: yeah I'm on tb |
| 03:04.19 | stu8 | asg:) |
| 03:04.30 | asg | travisat: tb == teh booze? |
| 03:04.37 | travisat | asg: exactly |
| 03:04.50 | chealer | travisat: all GUIs are in debian non-real |
| 03:04.54 | stu8 | deadcat... dont get nasty... I was only kidding... I use Enlightenment, and love it :) |
| 03:05.00 | travisat | chealer: they are?? |
| 03:05.03 | deadcat | stu8: (= |
| 03:05.17 | travisat | so I am in the non-real world...groovy |
| 03:05.33 | jjazz | travisat: So you're on teh acid, then. |
| 03:05.33 | chealer | travisat: even debconf ones :) |
| 03:05.48 | slocate | anybody running e17? |
| 03:05.53 | stu8 | does anybody sell Progeny, already on a CD ? |
| 03:06.00 | lyy_ | yoshio_: i did what you said and i got a big reply back. i guess that means it's installed? |
| 03:06.05 | asg | stu8: progeny.com might |
| 03:06.07 | travisat | jjazz: no. I am on a russian drink of the gods. potatos fermented |
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| 03:06.31 | stu8 | potato wine ? good grief |
| 03:06.41 | dondelelcaro | not just fermented. The distillation is rediculously important. |
| 03:06.49 | travisat | old debian wine |
| 03:06.51 | lyy_ | asg: maybe i need to do some kind of updating ? |
| 03:07.05 | travisat | maybe I need some updating |
| 03:07.09 | asg | lyy_: I shouldn't think so if things are working. Or, are things not working? |
| 03:07.20 | jjazz | travisat: I have a whole shelf of home-infused vodkas here... I'm partial to the garlic, dill and peppercorn. The papaya-ginger is also nice. Vodkas are wonderful things. |
| 03:07.26 | yoshio_ | lyy_: "apt-cache show PackageName" just gives you info on the package |
| 03:07.28 | doubleoh | Anyone know how to resolve "(gnome-session:####): Pango-Warning **: Cannot open font fiel for font Verdana 10. It does this for everything dealing with gnome (apps or gnome-session)? |
| 03:07.50 | travisat | jjazz: the only things better than vodka are jack-daniels and tequila |
| 03:08.02 | gravity | Dude... no taste |
| 03:08.06 | gravity | It's all about single malt |
| 03:08.21 | lyy_ | asg: it's working. i'm writing a script that checks to see if a package is installed or not. it's just that i'm using dpkg to tell me, however, it's doesn't seem reliable. |
| 03:08.35 | jjazz | travisat: Heh... I'm drinking jack now... not much for tequila tho. |
| 03:08.41 | travisat | asg: thats disgusting |
| 03:08.44 | yoshio_ | lyy_: dpkg -l |grep -v "^ii" will give you all lines that do NOT start with "ii" |
| 03:08.52 | travisat | a good margarita is always a goood thing |
| 03:08.54 | doubleoh | In other words. "startx gnome-session" only works with root but not user. |
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| 03:09.08 | jjazz | gin works... dry tanq ten martini... yum... |
| 03:09.11 | dondelelcaro | lyy_: what specifically is the problem? dpkg -l foopkg|awk '{print $1}'; will give you the status. |
| 03:09.20 | asg | travisat: you either like it or you don't. Like Guinness. |
| 03:09.24 | lyy_ | yoshio_: i understand that. just saying, is there a reliable way to ask if a package is installed reliably. |
| 03:09.29 | travisat | mmm guiness |
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| 03:10.13 | travisat | !beer asg |
| 03:10.20 | travisat | !beer asg |
| 03:10.29 | deadcat | !rape asg |
| 03:10.32 | lyy_ | dondelelcaro: for example, on my system here, i do a dpkg -l kdebase and get a reply back with a 'un' at the front. from my understanding, the u means unknown and the n means not installed. however, i'm in my kde desktop. |
| 03:10.32 | dondelelcaro | lyy_: the reliable way is to use dpkg-query |
| 03:10.33 | travisat | !beer asg |
| 03:10.47 | travisat | damn it dpkg, give em a guinesss |
| 03:10.58 | travisat | !beer asg |
| 03:11.00 | dondelelcaro | lyy_: kdebase is just a virtual package that depends on things. You don't have kdebase installed, but you have whatever you're running. |
| 03:11.00 | asg | travisat: it'll likely give me a Yuengling first |
| 03:11.03 | travisat | yeah |
| 03:11.04 | travisat | !!!!! |
| 03:11.04 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 03:11.32 | dondelelcaro | lyy_: you've just got a fundamental misconception of how the package system works. |
| 03:11.48 | dondelelcaro | s/virtual/meta/ |
| 03:12.01 | lyy_ | dondelelcaro: i see. hmm |
| 03:12.43 | lyy_ | dondelelcaro: how would you figure out if a package was installed with one line of code? |
| 03:13.12 | yoshio_ | lyy_: just realized you do NOT need kdebase at all, it just pulls in the minimum stuff you need to run kde, like "apt-get install build-essential" will pull in stuff that you need to compile programs yourself, but the build-essential is not needed by itself |
| 03:13.41 | dvs | yoshio_: So build-essential is not essential?!? ;-) |
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| 03:14.45 | asg | lyy_: dpkg -l <pkg> | grep -qc ^ii && echo installed |
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| 03:17.08 | yoshio_ | lyy_: dummy packages like "htmlgen", type "apt-cache show htmlgen" - output -> "This is a dummy package to facilitate the upgrade of the HTMLgen package, and can be safely removed." |
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| 03:20.28 | narg | so, I was searching though debian package list, and I couldnt find x.org. Does debian really only have packages for xfree? |
| 03:20.34 | dondelelcaro | narg: see /topic |
| 03:21.15 | narg | wow... topic actually says something. |
| 03:21.21 | narg | ok, 1 second while I read it. |
| 03:21.37 | jim | narg: for the answer to that and a million others (well, ok, tens of thousands), see: packages.debian.org |
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| 03:21.44 | yoshio_ | lyy_: if you have packages not completely installed, "apt-get upgrade" will complain, and tell you to run "apt-get -f install" first to fix things, or to run "dpkg --pending" |
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| 03:22.11 | jim | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 03:22.22 | dondelelcaro | (or just dpkg --configure -a) |
| 03:22.54 | jim | if you are having trouble with that, you can alternate that with another apt-get -f install |
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| 03:23.06 | jim | go back n forth until both do nothing |
| 03:23.38 | jim | you might have to do this with sarge or sid, you might not have to with stable releases |
| 03:23.53 | narg | Well thank you dondel and jim for pointing me in the right direction. My question has been answered :) |
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| 03:24.14 | Taraxacum | what does the nonip packages means on a network? |
| 03:24.34 | simmerz | does the evms udeb now work properly? |
| 03:24.39 | jim | Taraxacum: nonip usually implies tuck |
| 03:24.47 | jim | j/k :) |
| 03:24.48 | asg | jim: or notuck |
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| 03:25.15 | Taraxacum | i just wonder cause i get alot of those |
| 03:25.15 | jim | or noplasticsurgery |
| 03:25.38 | asg | Taraxacum: in what context? |
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| 03:26.09 | jim | dpkg, nonip |
| 03:26.16 | jim | dpkg, noip |
| 03:26.18 | bluefox83 | how do i run memtester or memtest86? there are no manual entries for them even after i installed them =( |
| 03:26.33 | dvs | bluefox83: reboot |
| 03:26.35 | jim | bluefox83: you have to boot memtest86 |
| 03:26.40 | asg | bluefox83: check /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 03:26.43 | Taraxacum | Non-IP (0x0) (328 bytes) from 0050bf354941 to ffffffffffff on eth1 |
| 03:26.46 | Taraxacum | like that |
| 03:27.10 | jim | and if it won't boot them, you have to add a lilo or grub stanza |
| 03:27.27 | jim | hmm, I better get going |
| 03:28.24 | Taraxacum | is there a program to read "footprints" ? |
| 03:28.39 | lyy_ | yoshio_: i just tried to upgrade and it didn't complain |
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| 03:29.29 | bluefox83 | how do you boot memtest86? will it ask me if i want to run it like it asks if i want to boot to cd? |
| 03:29.54 | asg | Taraxacum: try 'tcpdump not ip' |
| 03:30.35 | bluefox83 | ok, i'ma reboot...see if it works >.> |
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| 03:30.41 | lyy_ | Taraxacum: what is "footprints"? |
| 03:30.57 | Taraxacum | kinda like traces |
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| 03:31.05 | lyy_ | what's traces? |
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| 03:31.44 | yoshio_ | lyy_: I think it's weird that it didn't complain about kdebase then, what does "apt-get install kdebase -s" say (-s is to simulate) |
| 03:31.47 | Taraxacum | kinda like a sign that this ip been here... |
| 03:32.39 | yoshio_ | lyy_: are you using testing or stable? do an "apt-get update" first, then try "apt-get upgrade -s" |
| 03:32.52 | travisat | what does servermode+o mean |
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| 03:33.38 | lyy_ | yoshio_: ok, trying first one you said |
| 03:33.53 | Taraxacum | what's arp? |
| 03:34.07 | travisat | oh well time for bed |
| 03:34.21 | lyy_ | yoshio_: it's unstable |
| 03:34.25 | Biovore | ARP: Address Resolution Protocol |
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| 03:34.42 | Biovore | It relates MAC address to IP Addresses |
| 03:34.48 | Taraxacum | oh i see |
| 03:34.50 | bluefox83 | how do i boot memtester? |
| 03:35.13 | bluefox83 | or memtest86 |
| 03:35.14 | yoshio_ | Taraxacum: type "/usr/sbin/arp -a" to see |
| 03:35.15 | Biovore | memtest86 you mean? |
| 03:35.22 | bluefox83 | yeah, that |
| 03:35.24 | Biovore | its an ISO, burn it to a CD |
| 03:35.30 | dvs | bluefox83: What do you have installed. |
| 03:35.44 | dvs | Biovore: It's also a Debian package |
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| 03:35.46 | Biovore | or you can grub it |
| 03:35.51 | bluefox83 | dvs: memtester and memtest86 and memtest86+ |
| 03:35.56 | bluefox83 | they're all 3 in apt |
| 03:36.05 | dvs | bluefox83: Do you use lilo or grub? |
| 03:36.11 | bluefox83 | lilo |
| 03:36.25 | dvs | bluefox83: Press the left shift key at the "boot:" prompt |
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| 03:36.39 | bluefox83 | O.o |
| 03:36.45 | calin | dvs: what if you have grub? |
| 03:36.47 | Taraxacum | that explains why i have a eth0, cause that communicate with the hardware? |
| 03:36.58 | dvs | calin: I'll just show up as an option |
| 03:37.04 | bluefox83 | i don't get a boot: prompt i get a splash screen with 2 otpions, windows Xp or this kernel |
| 03:37.06 | calin | okay |
| 03:37.07 | asg | Taraxacum: that's the interface name the operating system uses to identify the hardware |
| 03:37.14 | bluefox83 | *options |
| 03:37.25 | Taraxacum | ok |
| 03:38.02 | Taraxacum | oh well...enough for one day now |
| 03:38.08 | Taraxacum | nite nite to all of you |
| 03:38.09 | bluefox83 | dvs: will that still work in a splash screen? |
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| 03:38.25 | dvs | bluefox83: If that splash screen is shown by lilo, yes. |
| 03:38.36 | bluefox83 | dvs: ok, thanks |
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| 03:38.57 | ecliptik | what's the package for the bmp media player? I did an apt search for it and xmms but can't find it |
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| 03:39.15 | gravity | ecliptik: beep-media-player |
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| 03:39.58 | ecliptik | gravity, arlite, thanks |
| 03:40.08 | ecliptik | I saw it in morphix today and it looked pretty nice |
| 03:40.24 | gravity | It's pretty Ok |
| 03:40.27 | gravity | It's nice, but has issues |
| 03:40.37 | ecliptik | is it any lighter? |
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| 03:40.56 | popup_killer2005 | please it channel of debian in spanish |
| 03:41.00 | asg | !es |
| 03:41.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 03:41.03 | asg | popup_killer2005: ^^^ |
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| 03:41.18 | popup_killer2005 | thank you my friend dpkg |
| 03:41.18 | dpkg | sure thing, popup_killer2005 |
| 03:41.19 | gravity | ecliptik: That what? xmms? No. It is xmms, but with a gtk2 interface |
| 03:41.25 | calin | =D |
| 03:41.26 | calin | hahaha |
| 03:41.38 | ecliptik | gravity, ah..... interesting |
| 03:41.38 | calin | nice@dpkg&popup_* |
| 03:41.42 | ecliptik | guess I'll give it a whirl though |
| 03:41.45 | calin | Hello dpmg. |
| 03:41.47 | calin | Hello dpkg. |
| 03:41.52 | calin | damn |
| 03:41.56 | asg | !botsnack |
| 03:41.56 | dpkg | asg: :) |
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| 03:44.12 | asg | it's just a jump to the left |
| 03:45.01 | Thaiger | Kind of OT but can anyone help me with the intellignet scissors in Gimp? I create the nodes I want then I click the first node to close it, but when I click inside instead of being converted to a selection it just disappears |
| 03:45.19 | asg | Thaiger: is nobody alive in #gimp? |
| 03:45.33 | asg | Thaiger: and please don't /msg people without asking. |
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| 03:49.31 | exknoppix | am installing from Debian CD and getting this message: No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive. ... The istall will prabably fail to work if you continue without kernel modules. |
| 03:49.37 | exknoppix | /istall/install/ |
| 03:49.52 | karsten | Thaiger: Does holding <ctrl> help any? |
| 03:50.17 | karsten | exknoppix: Which installer? |
| 03:51.18 | exknoppix | karsten: I don't know. I just got a DVD image burned for me. Is there a way that I can check the DVD to find out which installer? |
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| 03:51.47 | karsten | exknoppix: Good question... |
| 03:51.54 | karsten | exknoppix: <alt><f2> |
| 03:52.06 | karsten | exknoppix: ...should give you a console w/ commandline. You running the installer now? |
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| 03:52.24 | michal_ | http://www.level1.com/products3.php?sklop=1&id=520056 |
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| 03:52.33 | michal_ | that product is supposed to work under linux |
| 03:52.38 | karsten | exknoppix: ...and are you familiar with virtual consoles? |
| 03:52.49 | karsten | michal_: Yay, product. |
| 03:52.59 | RedPenguin | Isn't /etc/modules.conf the place for modules? |
| 03:53.01 | michal_ | using the rhinefet driver.. anyone know if each of those ports would be it's own eth device? |
| 03:53.09 | Thaiger | karsten: Nope, doesn't help |
| 03:53.16 | RedPenguin | I mean where modconf does stuff |
| 03:53.21 | dvs | RedPenguin: No, it's a place for module CONFIGURATION |
| 03:53.44 | RedPenguin | That is what I meant |
| 03:53.59 | RedPenguin | I am looking to find out which module the system using for the NIC |
| 03:54.08 | RedPenguin | Before I attempt to upgrade the kernel |
| 03:54.19 | billh | Is there a real player package for unstable ? |
| 03:54.25 | dvs | RedPenguin: that's NOT the place. You want /etc/modules |
| 03:54.47 | RedPenguin | /etc/modules is not a dir |
| 03:55.06 | dvs | RedPenguin: No, but that's the list of modules that are loaded on startup |
| 03:55.12 | karsten | Thaiger: Describe what you're doing. Generally, with intelligent sissors, you click for multiple edges of the selected region, then click on part of the selected portion itself to close the selection. Is that what you're doing? |
| 03:55.14 | chealer | !tell billh about real player |
| 03:55.28 | RedPenguin | Oh my bad, I should have known that |
| 03:55.30 | lyy_ | asg: isn't kdesktop the desktop manager for kde? |
| 03:55.32 | karsten | michal_: 'dmesg' should tell you what happens after modprobe. Otherwise, suggest you hit the mailing list or usenet. |
| 03:55.37 | RedPenguin | Are NICs compiling into the 2.2.0-idepci? |
| 03:55.46 | RedPenguin | I don't see it attempting to load drivers, only af_packet |
| 03:55.46 | karsten | exknoppix: Still here? |
| 03:55.51 | dvs | RedPenguin: Yes |
| 03:55.53 | lyy_ | kdesktop is the kde desktop manager right? |
| 03:56.05 | RedPenguin | ANyway to tell right now that the card is working |
| 03:56.08 | karsten | lyy_: apt-cache show kdesktop |
| 03:56.10 | RedPenguin | What the system says the card is? |
| 03:56.17 | karsten | RedPenguin: lspci / dmesg |
| 03:56.29 | dvs | RedPenguin: lspci | grep Eth |
| 03:56.31 | michal_ | karsten: i am trying to decide whether to buy the card but I have found virtually no information about it.. what I have found is in german and I it's meaningless even after babelfish |
| 03:56.34 | chealer | apt-cache show kdesktop is too brief |
| 03:56.42 | karsten | michal_: IME no information is bad. |
| 03:56.53 | RedPenguin | 00:05.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 41) |
| 03:56.55 | karsten | michal_: request information from the MFR, if they don't give you time of day, shine 'em. |
| 03:57.00 | RedPenguin | Doesn't that mean it will use Tulip? |
| 03:57.02 | billh | chealer thanks |
| 03:57.05 | dvs | RedPenguin: Yup |
| 03:57.10 | karsten | RedPenguin: Likely. |
| 03:57.17 | exknoppix | karsten: I did check the F2 page before getting out of the installer and jotted down this item: "This is a Debian sarge installation CD-ROM, built on 20041118" ... is this information helpful or should I go back to to the installer for more info? also, I tried the "linux26" option as well as the default option but both give this "No kernel modules were found" message. |
| 03:57.17 | billh | I didn't know that helix made packages for it. |
| 03:57.30 | karsten | exknoppix: That's helpful. |
| 03:57.31 | michal_ | karsten: i've NEVER come across ANY manufacturer that gave the time of day. |
| 03:57.42 | karsten | michal_: you personal or corp? |
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| 03:57.53 | michal_ | karsten: personal |
| 03:58.00 | karsten | michal_: Forget it, IMO. |
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| 03:58.33 | karsten | michal_: I'd drop a note to marketing/sales, and post to your choice of local LUG, Debian mailing list, or comp.os.linux.hardware for info. |
| 03:58.43 | michal_ | karsten: problem is that there are basically no competing products :/ |
| 03:58.54 | exknoppix | karsten: not sure what the "virtual console" is about but I'm willing to try that also. If you think this option is best, I'd appreciate some pointers to get me going. |
| 03:58.57 | karsten | exknoppix: suggestion: ignore the warning, we'll try working around it. |
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| 03:59.13 | karsten | exknoppix: Don't worry about what it is, worry about whether you know what it is. |
| 03:59.19 | karsten | exknoppix: The answer to my question then is "no". |
| 03:59.21 | lyy_ | karsten: it says that kdebase was replaced by kdesktop |
| 03:59.34 | chealer | billh: helix doesn't make packages for realplayer, it makes helix player |
| 03:59.37 | exknoppix | karsten: ok, I did try to work around the warning ... then other problems cropped up ... which I can go into if you say so. |
| 03:59.40 | karsten | lyy_: There you go. |
| 03:59.51 | karsten | exknoppix: Sec. |
| 03:59.53 | lyy_ | karsten: does the number in parenthesis mean version? |
| 04:00.03 | michal_ | karsten: closest competitor i am aware of is a 4 port dlink card but it costs 4 times as much.. on the plus side it has had linux drivers for a long time integrated into the kernel |
| 04:00.06 | lyy_ | karsten: it looks like this (<< 4:3.0.0) |
| 04:00.20 | helix | yeah, I make packages for something else |
| 04:00.43 | karsten | exknoppix: Virtual consoles: Linux by default offers mutliple "virtual" login terminals, usually 6 on a full install. For most installer disks, you get 2: the main install screen, and tty2. You access VCs with <alt><F[1-6]> |
| 04:00.53 | karsten | lyy_: Yes. |
| 04:01.02 | Delicates | what application lets you change mouse cursor themes? |
| 04:01.09 | karsten | helix: Does that mean you're a player? |
| 04:01.25 | karsten | exknoppix: Describe the other issues. |
| 04:01.26 | stu8 | ok...I went for it... I tried #perl-cafe... then it came to me... HOW are they going to pass me the pizza THRU the computer monitor, right ? silly me :) |
| 04:01.35 | michal_ | it LOOKS like the drivers are from VIA thought and not from the manufacturer :/ |
| 04:01.35 | lyy_ | karsten: so (<< 4:3.0.0) means that kdesktop is version 3 and kdebase was 3.0.0. something? |
| 04:01.41 | exknoppix | karsten: ok, I've used virtual consoles in the past ... so I can run what ever you say. |
| 04:01.42 | karsten | stu8: pizza-over-IP, duh! |
| 04:02.05 | exknoppix | karsten: other problems ... ok, I'll write that up in a minute ... |
| 04:02.07 | stu8 | oops...Im spamming the wrong channel EEK :) my apologies |
| 04:02.11 | karsten | lyy_: for the full gory details, read the Debian Package Maintainers Guide or Debian Policy, I forget which. |
| 04:02.31 | karsten | exknoppix: Basically it means you can do more than one thing. And the installer gives you a (minimal) shell/console. |
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| 04:03.23 | michal_ | hmm.. the kernel via-rhine drivers seem WAY out of date :/ |
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| 04:05.00 | exknoppix | karsten: Two problems crop up. (1) I get "unable to load some modules" at one point (can't remember exactly when) ... (2) a bit later get "No Ethernet card was detected." Then am prompted to load a driver from a floppy (which I don't have). Anyway, I don't need to use an Ethernet card for the time being because am going to be using dialup. ... not sure if these are serious problems or not. |
| 04:05.03 | chealer | lyy_: I think you want to see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-depends |
| 04:05.04 | RedPenguin | Can I tell a new kernel to use a module now before I reboot instead of after the reboot? |
| 04:05.13 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ seems to indicate you are running RC2 of the installer, there is a link to errata there |
| 04:05.13 | RedPenguin | If I don't do it now, I will loose a remote connection to it |
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| 04:05.34 | karsten | exknoppix: In console 2: 'uname -r' |
| 04:05.42 | chealer | RedPenguin: put it in /etc/modules |
| 04:05.47 | dvs | RedPenguin: The new kernel will use whatever is in /etc/modules |
| 04:05.49 | lyy_ | chealer: thanks! |
| 04:05.53 | karsten | exknoppix: ...and do you recall specifying a boot kernel when you started the installer? |
| 04:05.57 | RedPenguin | k |
| 04:06.34 | RedPenguin | I want to make sure I am right |
| 04:06.36 | karsten | RedPenguin: You can't load incompatible modules w/ a given kernel. If the module is, say, 2.6.x and your kernel is 2.4.x, it Just Won't Work. |
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| 04:06.49 | karsten | RedPenguin: ...however, in general, you can load modules _for that kernel_ whenever. |
| 04:06.50 | RedPenguin | But the tulip driver is just called tulip right? |
| 04:06.54 | karsten | RedPenguin: Yes. |
| 04:06.58 | karsten | RedPenguin: tulip. |
| 04:07.01 | michal_ | dammit.. there has to be something wrong with this :/ it's too cheap |
| 04:07.03 | RedPenguin | k, then I should be good. |
| 04:07.09 | dvs | RedPenguin: There's an oldtulip in the 2.6 kernels |
| 04:07.25 | michal_ | and it has 2 year old GPL'd drivers that aren't part of the kernel |
| 04:07.29 | exknoppix | karsten: for the "boot kernel" I made two attempts. First, I went with the default kernel (which I'm guessing is 2.4). Second, I tried the "linux26" option as described on the F2 help page. I didn't notice any difference between either attempse. |
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| 04:08.06 | karsten | exknoppix: Well, there's a different kernel running. Does 'ls /lib/modules' show anything? _Should_ match your running kernel. |
| 04:08.21 | karsten | exknoppix: ...eg: /lib/modules/2.6.<mumble>/ |
| 04:08.22 | exknoppix | yoshio_: thx for the pointer ... I'll take a look at that as well. |
| 04:08.45 | karsten | yoshio_: Good call. |
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| 04:08.58 | karsten | exknoppix: Do you have a Knoppix disk? |
| 04:09.18 | karsten | exknoppix: An alternative is to run a debootstrap install under Knoppix. You may be a bit green for that though. |
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| 04:10.16 | michal_ | does bestsellen mean best seller in german? |
| 04:10.45 | Delph | world.altavista.com ? |
| 04:10.49 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: actually, RC2 was released on Nov 22, you have the Nov 18 one, which may not be a good build |
| 04:10.55 | Delph | or wherever there's a dodgy translation thingy. |
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| 04:11.09 | exknoppix | karsten: actually, I'm running off a knoppix 3.7 live-CD at the moment. So I have a !#$@!$'ing 5 minute turn around on each test. ... A second PC would be sweet just about now :-( |
| 04:11.24 | karsten | exknoppix: Dig. |
| 04:12.19 | karsten | exknoppix: If you want to read over the chroot install instructions, official docs are: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade |
| 04:12.33 | karsten | exknoppix: You'll install Woody, then switch your sources to sarge and update. |
| 04:12.45 | karsten | exknoppix: What's your network bandwidth? DSL/cable or dialup? |
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| 04:13.10 | exknoppix | karsten: am on dialup ... that's why I went over to get a DVD ISO from someone. |
| 04:13.23 | karsten | exknoppix: Basic procedure: partition your disk. read the debootstrap instructions. go. |
| 04:13.38 | exknoppix | karsten: fortunately, I _do_ have all these deb files which (I hope) can be used if I try some other installer. |
| 04:13.40 | karsten | exknoppix: Takes about 8 hours (say: overnight) to get a basic install running. I'm also on dialup. |
| 04:14.07 | karsten | exknoppix: let me read the eratta. |
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| 04:14.21 | michal_ | ok.. i'm starting to think I have to BUY this thing to find out anything about it. Hardware bleeding edge here I come :/ |
| 04:14.38 | exknoppix | karsten: when you say 8 hours, do you mean that it takes 8 hours to download the (correct) installer that I'll need? (an 8 hour download is fine by me) |
| 04:14.40 | karsten | michal_: Use your credit card. You've got purchase protection through it. |
| 04:14.45 | karsten | exknoppix: No. |
| 04:14.51 | karsten | exknoppix: You knoppix disk is your installer. |
| 04:15.00 | karsten | exknoppix: ...but the packages you install come over your PPP connection. |
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| 04:15.28 | karsten | exknoppix: I've done it more times than I care to think. Overnight usually gets you the base set of packages. Add more as you need. |
| 04:15.44 | karsten | exknoppix: If that's more pain than you're into, talk to the nice folks in #ubuntu. |
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| 04:17.05 | karsten | exknoppix: Um. You said your ethernet card isn't found? Are you _using_ ethernet ATM, or just PPP? |
| 04:17.15 | karsten | exknoppix: If only PPP, then eth is *NOT* a showstopper. |
| 04:17.43 | karsten | exknoppix: ...and do you even _have_ an ethernet card? |
| 04:18.10 | yoshio_ | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstaller has links to known broken stuff and workarounds, but I still haven't heard waht the install problem is |
| 04:18.15 | exknoppix | karsten: I do have an ethernet card and knoppix does recgnize it. However, I do agree that the ethernet issue can be punted until after the install is complete. |
| 04:18.27 | karsten | exknoppix: OK. |
| 04:18.37 | yoshio_ | oh, broken modules |
| 04:18.43 | exknoppix | knoppix: cross that bridge when I come to it. |
| 04:18.55 | karsten | exknoppix: Nice thing about Debian: so long as you've got a base install and functional networking (ppp, eth0, serial, carrier pigeon, whatever), you can build the system. |
| 04:19.24 | karsten | exknoppix: So press ahead. I take it you're not on channel when you're running the install, right? Just one box? |
| 04:19.34 | exknoppix | karsten: as an (almost) ex-knopper, I'd rather be inside the Debian tent than outside. |
| 04:19.59 | exknoppix | karsten: sadly, just one box. That's why I want to get maximum info before attempting the next install. |
| 04:20.01 | karsten | exknoppix: You say that now ;-) |
| 04:20.10 | karsten | exknoppix: Dig. |
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| 04:20.35 | karsten | exknoppix: Nice thing about chroot install: you can run it from w/in Knoppix. Meaning you've got active net. |
| 04:20.45 | karsten | exknoppix: Hrm. You're in Knoppix now, right? |
| 04:20.53 | exknoppix | karsten: I got scared off Debian back in 2002 and just did the Knoppix hard-drive install. But once you start to push the system, the Debian community isn't too friendly to knoppix intruders. |
| 04:21.05 | exknoppix | karsten: right, in knoppix at the moment. |
| 04:21.22 | karsten | exknoppix: dcc me the 'debootstrap' manpage. |
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| 04:21.47 | exknoppix | karsten: actually, my knoppix harddrive install just croaked this morning. /lib got totally f*cked up ... so I'm taking the (true) Debian plunge. |
| 04:21.48 | stu8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.53 | ec | :) |
| 04:22.19 | exknoppix | karsten: sorry, don't know what "dcc" is about. |
| 04:22.28 | karsten | exknoppix: What's your IRC client? |
| 04:22.36 | Thaiger | karsten: thanks for the advice on gimp, I keep trying with multiple images but no such luck |
| 04:22.37 | simonrvn | exknoppix: /help dcc in your irc client |
| 04:22.58 | exknoppix | karsten: I'm using "ERC" inside emacs ... I'm saving this discussion so that I can study it later on. |
| 04:22.59 | karsten | Thaiger: hrm. Sorry. |
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| 04:23.24 | karsten | exknoppix: hardcore. In shell: man debootstrap | col > /tmp/debootstrap |
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| 04:23.37 | karsten | exknoppix: In IRC: /dcc send karsten /tmp/debootstrap |
| 04:23.58 | simonrvn | karsten: heads up |
| 04:23.59 | kaplanfx | dpkg: rebuild menu |
| 04:24.00 | exknoppix | karsten: ah, snag the "debootstrap" once I go back to attempt another install. |
| 04:24.05 | kaplanfx | dpkg: menu |
| 04:24.05 | dpkg | menu is, like, the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 04:24.09 | karsten | simonrvn: ?? |
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| 04:24.16 | simonrvn | kaplanfx: update-menus |
| 04:24.20 | kaplanfx | simonrvn: thanks |
| 04:24.31 | karsten | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 04:24.36 | karsten | exknoppix: simonrvn got it for me. |
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| 04:24.38 | simonrvn | karsten: np |
| 04:24.50 | simonrvn | kaplanfx: 'k |
| 04:25.14 | karsten | exknoppix: You got two CD/DVD drives on that box? |
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| 04:25.29 | karsten | exknoppix: Good news is you can debootstrap from local archive. |
| 04:25.37 | simonrvn | i fixed my iptables rules so dcc out works |
| 04:25.47 | karsten | !simonrvn++ |
| 04:26.07 | karsten | exknoppix: Either mount the DVD, or copy from it to your HD if you've only got one drive. |
| 04:26.27 | karsten | debootstrap sarge ./sargechroot file:///PATH_TO_LOCAL_MIRROR/debian |
| 04:26.31 | karsten | exknoppix: ^^ |
| 04:26.51 | exknoppix | karsten: sadly, only one optical drive. Life is awkward just now. However, in a while, I'll try to run off of a "knoppix" image on my Win98 hda1 partition (so that I can talk to you and look at my DVD ISO at the same time). |
| 04:26.52 | karsten | You'll be running under Knoppix, IRC is still up, and you don't need to d/l 300 MB over dialup. |
| 04:27.15 | karsten | exknoppix: Suggestion. |
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| 04:28.20 | Thaiger | How do I compile alsa support into my kernel? |
| 04:28.25 | karsten | exknoppix: 1. If not already partitioned, give yourself a partition where you can store the DVD packages mirror. |
| 04:28.28 | karsten | 2. Boot the install disk. Go to VC2. Copy the DVD packages to the partition you just created. Give it a while. |
| 04:28.31 | karsten | 3. Boot Knoppix again, join IRC. Tell us what's up. |
| 04:29.02 | dvs | Thaiger: Do you have a debian kernel? |
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| 04:29.28 | Thaiger | dvs: Um... I built it from the kernel-source-2.4.27 package |
| 04:29.45 | karsten | exknoppix: And just for pain-and-suffering's sake, I've run chroot installs bootstrapping from Tom's Root Boot (floppy mini-distro), Sid base2_2 tarball, and SLIP networking. |
| 04:29.53 | dvs | Thaiger: Then you'll have to compile the source from alsa-project.org |
| 04:29.56 | karsten | exknoppix: s/SLIP/PLIP/ |
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| 04:30.07 | Thaiger | dvs: OK thanks |
| 04:30.15 | dvs | Thaiger: np |
| 04:30.18 | peej | say I pick up a ttf font. what is the debian way to install it? |
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| 04:30.38 | exknoppix | karsten: ok, awesome suggestions. thx ... I'll probably pop back in an hour or two. ... and thank yoshio_ too. |
| 04:31.03 | simonrvn | peej: i'd suggest fetching the source package for another ttf font, and emulating that, then install the .deb |
| 04:31.11 | karsten | exknoppix: I may be comatose. |
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| 04:31.53 | peej | I notice I have ttf in lib/X11/fonts and in usr/share/fonts/truetype and in /var/lib/defoma - I want to know the One True Way |
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| 04:33.24 | peej | the latest and hippest Debian Approved Way |
| 04:33.27 | simonrvn | peej: defoma is debian's font management thingy |
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| 04:34.08 | peej | simonrvn : and that's the most recent standardy sort of thing I should read up about? |
| 04:34.15 | simonrvn | you don't install fonts directly to defoma, they do get registered with it though |
| 04:35.09 | peej | simonrvn : I can read up about it , no problem. Just needed to get pointed to where to start rather than find I've been reading up about deprecated stuff |
| 04:36.35 | simonrvn | x fonts can go in either /usr/share/fonts or /usr/lib/X11/fonts |
| 04:38.02 | peej | hmmm. discussed in debian-devel http://lists.debian.org:80/debian-devel/2004/04/msg05288.html |
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| 04:43.29 | c4_ | a debain mirors list? |
| 04:43.53 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 04:43.53 | dpkg | methinks mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 04:44.03 | c4_ | cool |
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| 04:45.07 | c4_ | moskitos are killing me |
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| 04:46.28 | Varanger | hello |
| 04:46.36 | karsten | ...or Russian chips. |
| 04:46.49 | karsten | !hi Varanger |
| 04:46.49 | dpkg | Long days and pleasant nights, sai Varanger! |
| 04:47.13 | Varanger | hi karsten |
| 04:47.20 | Varanger | is your last name KlawitteR? |
| 04:47.32 | karsten | Varanger: Not usually. |
| 04:47.49 | c4_ | karsten: yes, that little inservible flying things |
| 04:48.14 | c4_ | karsten: is hard to live in the jungle |
| 04:48.24 | Varanger | I recently bought a SATA drive |
| 04:48.36 | Varanger | do you know how to speed it up in Debian? |
| 04:48.49 | karsten | Varanger: hdparm |
| 04:49.39 | c4_ | Varanger: if nothing happends, i think that the drivers are under scsi kernel config |
| 04:50.37 | c4_ | how much better is a sata? i have a ata100 ide |
| 04:50.39 | karsten | Varanger: 'hdparm -tT <device>' will give you raw speed measures. 'hdparm <device>' will give you current settings. DMA is the really critical setting -- you want it on. |
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| 04:50.47 | exknoppix | I'm looking at http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for the smallest installer to download. Then I'll install the deb files from my (semi-screwed) DVD ISO. Anyway, I see a "businesscard CD image" but it's still 110 MB. Is there anything even smaller? Also, is there a faster download site? "wget" is dragging at 1000B/s which is 25% of my usual capacity. |
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| 04:51.05 | c4_ | exknoppix: im on the same thing man |
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| 04:51.41 | karsten | exknoppix: is the DVD itself bad? |
| 04:51.47 | c4_ | exknoppix: i have one of about 38MB |
| 04:52.08 | karsten | exknoppix: The businesscard installer is a Sarge netinst. What I said earlier about an 8 hr d/l as part of your install applies. |
| 04:52.12 | c4_ | exknoppix: let me see where i've found it... |
| 04:52.18 | Varanger | c4_ : I recently built my new system... it loads XP in 15 seconds |
| 04:52.20 | exknoppix | exknoppix: so you're crawling on the download too? Geez, hardly need high speed. |
| 04:52.31 | Varanger | however, it takes up to a minute in Debian |
| 04:52.39 | Varanger | I want to speed it up !!! |
| 04:52.39 | karsten | exknoppix: My recommendation is to build a set of install disks via jigdo, and have someone burn those for you w/ a high speed connection. |
| 04:52.44 | c4_ | Varanger: thats a good aah... fact |
| 04:53.21 | c4_ | Varanger: so... 15s what kinda machine? |
| 04:53.22 | karsten | Varanger: the Linux boot process is generally slower. There's been some work at optimizing it / speeding it up. Basically it comes down to starting fewer services. |
| 04:53.36 | karsten | Varanger: ...but most of that hasn't worked its way into current releases yet. |
| 04:53.45 | exknoppix | karsten: Ok, I was looking at that jigdo stuff too. |
| 04:53.50 | Guerin | boot time is irrelevant |
| 04:53.51 | karsten | c4_: 15 - 30 seconds to login screen is pretty typical. |
| 04:53.54 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: netinst is 105 megs, business card is 30 megs |
| 04:54.20 | karsten | exknoppix: jigdo == "Jigsaw Downloader". It uses the Debian archive mirrors to fetch packages, and assembles them into an ISO image. Can run from Windows. |
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| 04:54.43 | c4_ | exknoppix: google sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 04:54.46 | nixman | someone plz tell me where (which file) i am supposed to add the options for the nvidia kernel options ? |
| 04:54.47 | Varanger | Guerin: I haven't told you how fast are other processes |
| 04:54.47 | karsten | exknoppix: The advantage is rather than finding someone's slow, overburdened ISO server, you just grab off the existing mirror network, which is generally faster. |
| 04:54.59 | karsten | exknoppix: Current Sarge runs to ~18 CDRs. |
| 04:55.00 | c4_ | there is one with 31MB |
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| 04:55.26 | ARdEBaRAn | hello |
| 04:55.39 | karsten | Varanger: For the time being, you're going to have to live with Linux booting slower than XP, unless you want to mess with stuff. |
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| 04:55.46 | exknoppix | karsten: ah, jigdo ... very cool ... share the load. |
| 04:55.51 | karsten | c4_: And while XP boots faster, domain logons are *very* slow. |
| 04:56.05 | Guerin | Varanger: ? |
| 04:56.14 | c4_ | domain logons... |
| 04:56.14 | karsten | exknoppix: Right. There's a lot of neat tricks people have done. If you ever go to multiple systems, you're going to want to look at apt-proxy too. |
| 04:56.17 | c4_ | ? |
| 04:56.17 | New | I just finished instaling Debian and the system is acting very slow can anyone please tell me a way to speed things up a bit |
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| 04:56.33 | karsten | Guerin: troll or n00b. |
| 04:56.34 | maher | New: install hdparm and turn on dma |
| 04:56.34 | ARdEBaRAn | i have a question, i installed debian from a mininstall cd, what must i run to upgrade it, apt- ?? because i cant even compile anything... thanks |
| 04:56.34 | Guerin | New: buy more ram; uninstall kde and/or gnome |
| 04:56.37 | c4_ | basic japanes for me |
| 04:56.38 | peej | New: why is it slow? |
| 04:56.41 | New | I think the commadn is dist upgrade not sure though |
| 04:56.45 | TTimo | hey .. I have a problem with my ppp package in sid. it installs a /usr/sbin/pppd.debian instead of /usr/sbin/pppd |
| 04:56.48 | karsten | ARdEBaRAn: aptitude update; aptitude --dist-upgrade. |
| 04:56.49 | Guerin | New: it's not |
| 04:56.53 | New | I have 4000 pc |
| 04:56.54 | exknoppix | yoshio_: I'm trying 105 MB netinst ... but cdimage.debian.org is dead. That jigdo might be the way to go. |
| 04:56.59 | TTimo | I suppose it has something to do with the diversions thing |
| 04:56.59 | New | with 1.5 ram |
| 04:57.02 | karsten | ARdEBaRAn: If it threatens to REMOVE a bunch of packages, stop it. |
| 04:57.08 | c4_ | hehe |
| 04:57.09 | New | I dont know.... |
| 04:57.10 | TTimo | but I don't know what causes it, or how to fix it |
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| 04:57.17 | New | I just upgraded the kernel |
| 04:57.23 | ARdEBaRAn | karsten: is there a wayt to see the packages installed ? |
| 04:57.25 | New | maybe that had something to do with it |
| 04:57.32 | karsten | ARdEBaRAn: dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:57.43 | c4_ | wellcome to sid |
| 04:57.57 | simonrvn | TTimo: file a bug |
| 04:57.58 | ARdEBaRAn | okey thanks !! |
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| 04:58.09 | New | I remember coming here last time and someone told me to type something like distro upgrade then after that everything was fast |
| 04:58.14 | yoshio_ | jigdo is good if you want to make a CD or DVD, why not use the 30 meg businesscard image? |
| 04:58.22 | Guerin | New: dict placebo |
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| 04:58.30 | maher | New: type something like distro upgrade |
| 04:58.32 | peej | New: what's your system spec? |
| 04:58.40 | Guerin | peej: try to keep up |
| 04:58.42 | TTimo | simonrvn: against ppp, or against apt/dpkg? |
| 04:58.47 | New | 2.5 gig processsor 1.6 ram |
| 04:58.50 | New | intell |
| 04:58.50 | TTimo | because it really looks like an apt problem to me |
| 04:58.54 | c4_ | so, i shouldn't no buy a sata? |
| 04:58.59 | c4_ | so, i shouldn't buy a sata? damn |
| 04:59.01 | maher | New: did that help? :) |
| 04:59.02 | TTimo | is there a db somewhere that stores the diversions |
| 04:59.14 | TTimo | I probably just need to poke an eye out of it |
| 04:59.15 | New | yeah... br conections to slow |
| 04:59.34 | c4_ | [#debian] Losing too many ticks! |
| 04:59.34 | c4_ | TSC cannot be used as a timesource. |
| 04:59.34 | c4_ | Possible reasons for this are: |
| 04:59.38 | exknoppix | actually, I've heard other people complain that Linux is slow to boot. I assume that Linux starts up lots of services that most people don't use. Also, I'm guessing that WinXP doesn't have all the safeguards of Linux. Given how cheap SD is these days, I've been wondering if anyone has made an instant-loading Linux this way. |
| 04:59.38 | simonrvn | TTimo: why would it be against apt-get or dpkg? |
| 04:59.46 | c4_ | ?? |
| 04:59.50 | TTimo | because dpkg -c shows a correct pppd file |
| 05:00.00 | TTimo | apt-get install ppp puts a pppd.debian instead |
| 05:00.04 | peej | new: does dmesg show anything abnormal? |
| 05:00.08 | yoshio_ | TTimo: you mean /etc/alternatives ? |
| 05:00.20 | TTimo | yoshio_: yeah I think I do |
| 05:00.21 | maher | exknoppix: windows prioritizes giving you the log in screen and then continues loading stuff in the bg |
| 05:00.31 | Guerin | exknoppix: the main issue is that wxp keeps booting after it presents the desktop |
| 05:00.36 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.36 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.40 | Guerin | which gives the illusion of being faster |
| 05:00.47 | simonrvn | l. |
| 05:00.56 | yoshio_ | TTimo: man update-alternatives |
| 05:01.02 | c4_ | what should i do with that ticks? |
| 05:01.19 | simonrvn | TTimo: ar -p file.deb data.tar.gz | tar -zx in a tmp dir, see what's *really* there |
| 05:01.20 | maher | exknoppix: you can emulate that by changing things round in rc2.d |
| 05:01.23 | Guerin | c4_: get some pesticide? |
| 05:01.24 | exknoppix | yoshio_: ah, ok, a 30 MB businesscard image. I'll switch to that download ... My head is too hazy. I was thinking 30 MB is bigger than 105 MB. I should be sleeping instead of installing Debian. |
| 05:01.30 | c4_ | damn! |
| 05:01.32 | karsten | c4_: Who's running with speedstep? Speedstep *BAD* |
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| 05:01.44 | c4_ | Guerin: mosquitos will kill me |
| 05:01.55 | c4_ | karsten: me |
| 05:01.58 | yoshio_ | new: you mean "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade -s" ? |
| 05:02.00 | Guerin | c4_: ddt kills skeeter |
| 05:02.02 | karsten | exknoppix: Mind that the 30 MB d/l requires you do d/l packages seperately, during the install. |
| 05:02.02 | Guerin | s |
| 05:02.04 | c4_ | karsten: what is tha? |
| 05:02.10 | simonrvn | TTimo: might need to leave off the '-' on the p in ar -p |
| 05:02.12 | c4_ | hehe |
| 05:02.15 | karsten | c4_: ?? |
| 05:02.30 | karsten | c4_: SpeedStep tends to lead to kernel crashes. Disable it in your BIOS. |
| 05:02.31 | c4_ | Guerin: that's something from the 50's? |
| 05:02.37 | exknoppix | maher: ah, interesting about background loading. Hmm, has anyone thought of doing this in Linux? Or is background downloading a bad idea (for security/stability/etc)? |
| 05:02.54 | c4_ | cool.. speedstep crash rules |
| 05:03.04 | maher | exknoppix: yes - i thought the ubuntu people were doing something - most people don't care |
| 05:03.18 | c4_ | but never has crashed (?) |
| 05:03.31 | maher | exknoppix: there some stuff on the debian planet blog feed a while back |
| 05:03.53 | exknoppix | maher: "emulate that by changing things round in rc2.d" ... Not sure what you mean ... I was thinking of downloading a small installer and, then, installing a pile of stuff just local APT operations. Am I doing things the right way? |
| 05:04.02 | Guerin | exknoppix: it's smoke and mirrors |
| 05:04.14 | c4_ | karsten: i'm keeding i don't like crash things, only the film |
| 05:04.16 | maher | exknoppix: eh - i thought you were talking about boot time |
| 05:04.21 | Guerin | exknoppix: like puting a big muffler on your car to make it sound fast |
| 05:04.58 | c4_ | with that big but blond in the balcony |
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| 05:05.14 | Guerin | c4_: just boot into expert and skip the sections you don't want |
| 05:05.17 | WiFiTux | someone knows where in Debian, should I put the downloaded gkrellm skins? |
| 05:05.30 | c4_ | what?! |
| 05:05.31 | exknoppix | maher: I'm actually, in two (or more) conversation streams at the same time. |
| 05:05.41 | c4_ | boot into expert? |
| 05:05.42 | maher | WiFiTux: dpkg -L gkrellm and see where the standard skins are |
| 05:05.49 | Guerin | c4_: err, that was for exknoppix |
| 05:05.50 | WiFiTux | maher, buu |
| 05:05.52 | Guerin | mah bayd |
| 05:05.55 | c4_ | i don't know all that things |
| 05:05.55 | exknoppix | maher: I thought I was disambiguating each stream enough. |
| 05:06.04 | maher | exknoppix: i'm kindda stupid |
| 05:06.10 | cat | !vwm |
| 05:06.19 | cat | !wmv |
| 05:06.25 | c4_ | 16632 packages! |
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| 05:06.38 | c4_ | wasn't 8300? |
| 05:06.40 | chealer | cat: what wmv version do you need to read? |
| 05:06.47 | WiFiTux | maher, it doens't say. |
| 05:06.49 | cat | some file chealer |
| 05:06.55 | alainm | hey does sarge handle Multi CPU? |
| 05:07.03 | exknoppix | maher: feels like I'm winning the stupid contest tonight. |
| 05:07.07 | cat | u need a codec |
| 05:07.13 | chealer | Cat: vlc can read 8 (WMV2) but not 9 |
| 05:07.32 | exknoppix | maher: I googled for "debian planet blog" but didn't find ... you have that URL? |
| 05:08.28 | TTimo | simonrvn: thanks but I couldn't find how you meant to use ar to extract the content of the .deb |
| 05:08.34 | maher | WiFiTux: read the readme |
| 05:09.20 | c4_ | karsten: how do i know if dma for /dev/hda is on? |
| 05:09.22 | exknoppix | Guerin: not trying to be a Windows fan (I'm not!) ... but if Windows can get you a prompt faster, you can start giving directions sooner. Seems kind of useful to me. |
| 05:09.31 | maher | exknoppix: http://planet.debian.net/ <-- but it was a while ago |
| 05:09.50 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: have you read about installing Sarge via debootstrap - http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apcs04.html#id2542382 |
| 05:10.00 | ARdEBaRAn | karsten: i upgrade my system, but i still have not all the complete install packages |
| 05:10.01 | ARdEBaRAn | :( |
| 05:10.03 | ARdEBaRAn | why? |
| 05:10.18 | TTimo | well even the correct latest pppd binary hacked out doesn't understand the <auth chap MS-v2> chunk anyway |
| 05:10.31 | TTimo | so I still won't get anywhere either way |
| 05:10.37 | c4_ | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 05:11.14 | c4_ | ARdEBaRAn: do you have all that main contrib non-free thing at your sources.list? |
| 05:11.41 | c4_ | and there is a non-us i thinks |
| 05:11.41 | c4_ | think |
| 05:12.01 | exknoppix | yoshio_: ok, taking look at this debootstrap thing |
| 05:12.12 | c4_ | some if-u-use-in-us is illegal |
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| 05:12.37 | c4_ | encript things and something like that |
| 05:12.52 | c4_ | hoochie mama! |
| 05:13.06 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: you can use Tom's root boot (two floppies), and start debootstrap from there, but you will need a persistent net connection after that |
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| 05:13.51 | ARdEBaRAn | c4_: i dont know |
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| 05:14.20 | zeeble | heyas. need some opinions. Creating a website for our LUG... would like to use a CMS/portal software to post meeting details, Linux news, install fest announcements, CD swapping stuff, where 4-5 editors will be able to post. and another public forum, where all LUG members can register and post their doubts, etc. Any suggestions for this? |
| 05:14.39 | karsten | c4_: hdparm /dev/hda |
| 05:14.44 | karsten | c4_: ...or man hdparm. |
| 05:14.53 | karsten | ARdEBaRAn: What's missing? |
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| 05:15.12 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.14 | karsten | ARdEBaRAn: Debian does *NOT* have a "kitchen sink" install a'la Red Hat or SuSE. |
| 05:15.15 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.15 | c4_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.17 | c4_ | GGRRr |
| 05:15.24 | c4_ | what the hek! |
| 05:15.25 | karsten | c4_: Incompatible device. How old is it? |
| 05:15.36 | lakcaj | zeeble, http://www.opensourcecms.com/ |
| 05:15.37 | karsten | c4_: ...and are you running as root? |
| 05:15.43 | efort | does debian have a config manual that covers setting up multiple nics? |
| 05:15.46 | lakcaj | tons of info |
| 05:15.48 | c4_ | karsten: it's an ati radeon 9100 |
| 05:16.01 | karsten | efort: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown. man ifup |
| 05:16.10 | exknoppix | yoshio_: Hmm, I'm on dialup so I don't want to download too much (especially if I have to be answering prompts). Right now, I'm thinking that 30 MB business card is the best idea. Or better, if I can get someone to make a fresh jidgo for me tomorrow. |
| 05:16.13 | c4_ | karsten: yes, im runing as root |
| 05:16.15 | karsten | c4_: That's not an HD. That's a video card. |
| 05:16.16 | yoshio_ | efort: modify /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:16.22 | chealer | zeeble: do you have a favorite language? |
| 05:16.33 | zeeble | chealer: yeah. C++ :p |
| 05:16.40 | chealer | haha |
| 05:16.42 | karsten | c4_: setting DMA on your video card will likely provide unsatisfactory experiences. |
| 05:16.44 | zeeble | lakcaj: ok. |
| 05:16.48 | ARdEBaRAn | karsten: i have slackware, in the other box, but im trying bebian.... |
| 05:17.03 | karsten | ARdEBaRAn: *BABEian*, damnit. |
| 05:17.05 | lakcaj | bebian, the new debian for babblers ;) |
| 05:17.13 | ARdEBaRAn | karsten: i dont have even 3 days with it |
| 05:17.17 | c4_ | karsten: no, the ide controler is... 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5838 |
| 05:17.17 | chealer | zeeble: zope could be as much appropriated :) |
| 05:17.24 | exknoppix | gawd, cdimage.debian.org is like 160B/s. |
| 05:17.27 | karsten | lakcaj: I thought it was the sort of slutty, avant-gard clothing company. |
| 05:17.29 | zeeble | lakcaj: i use wordpress on my website so tempyed to go with that. |
| 05:17.32 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: then I guess the best for you is some ISO |
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| 05:17.38 | zeeble | chealer: ah. zope with plone? |
| 05:17.45 | ARdEBaRAn | okey, will you help me or just act like a joke about me ? |
| 05:17.46 | c4_ | karsten: the disk is ata33 and the mother is ata100 |
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| 05:18.02 | zeeble | chealer: too much initial tweaking needed from my side :) and am going with sourceforge for the hosting .. |
| 05:18.07 | karsten | c4_: Um. hdparm characteristics are specific to the disk itself. |
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| 05:18.28 | efort | yoshio: k is interfaces where they are defined? at this point only one board is found on boot. if I remember right I may have to futz with modules.conf as well. |
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| 05:18.37 | exknoppix | yoshio_: yeah, ISO seems best ... still, I appreciate the webpages ... gives me something do digest until I get another ISO. |
| 05:18.46 | karsten | c4_: either the disk firmware supports the settings, or doesn't. I think DMA is ~1999 / 2000, but could be wrong on that. |
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| 05:19.07 | chealer | zeeble: I was just joking. zope is overkill |
| 05:19.08 | lakcaj | Well, there is always lesbian linux: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 05:19.10 | karsten | c4_: 'smartmontools' may give you additional info on disk capabilities, though I'm not sure it overlaps w/ hdparm in that regard. |
| 05:19.29 | chealer | zeeble: so you just need forums + articles? |
| 05:19.34 | karsten | c4_: make and model on thet disk itself are what you want. |
| 05:19.52 | yoshio_ | efort: interfaces is for ip/netmask/gateway etc, but you will have to figure out which modules to load |
| 05:20.03 | karsten | zeeble: Scoop, Drupal, PHPNuke. |
| 05:20.12 | zeeble | chealer: yeah. forums + articles. For forum, it will either be phpbb, or punbb. |
| 05:20.30 | zeeble | karsten: yeah, looking at drupal right now. its looking nice and adminable. |
| 05:20.31 | karsten | lakcaj: All Hail porn-get! |
| 05:20.39 | zeeble | haha |
| 05:20.47 | zeeble | where's tarzeau? |
| 05:20.48 | chealer | zeeble: well, if you already chose a forum, you just need a portal then? |
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| 05:21.52 | wgandhi | cannot get render extension to work with Xorg..log file says drmopen failed on /dev/dri/card* |
| 05:21.55 | zeeble | chealer: yeah. a easy to walk around portal. the LUG's just starting out. with public meetings. after 9 years being dormant. |
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| 05:22.40 | mrhemlock | xorg is NOT in debain see topic, why are you asking here |
| 05:22.40 | yoshio_ | c4_: type "dmesg |less", look for hda to see your hard disk info, dmesg also teslls you your BIOS settings, whether it allows DMA/pio |
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| 05:23.13 | efort | yoshio_: they are 2 IDENTICAL 3C509 CARDS |
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| 05:24.14 | narg | to upgrade to sid/unstable, you just change the deb sources to unstable from testing, no? |
| 05:24.40 | zeeble | yes. |
| 05:24.47 | efort | is it Required that an interface have a gateway? |
| 05:25.03 | luzhien | hi people, I have a problem working with wine. I'm trying to install with it a win9x computer game but when installing it searches the file in the / directory but no in the cdrom. And if I copy the files to that directory, then wine find the files but at the end of the instalation it promps that can't create links. I supose it is because atempts to write in some directory without root permissions. What can I do? |
| 05:25.20 | [Cadet] | efort: not to talk to only the machines on the same network |
| 05:25.29 | chealer | luzhien: ask #winehq |
| 05:25.45 | luzhien | oh, thanks chealer ;) |
| 05:25.49 | efort | I'm actually setting up a /30 on the second interface just to run a termserver. |
| 05:26.06 | chealer | zeeble: I'd like to advise you, but I'm better on the wiki side |
| 05:26.38 | chealer | I didn't realize so few CMS-s were packaged for debian |
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| 05:27.27 | gobbles_ | i cant seem to get a framebuffer to work with x while using append="video=ofonly" in my quik.conf, any suggestions. ive tried the aty ati radeon and other framebuffers |
| 05:28.05 | c4__ | PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:14.1? |
| 05:28.39 | exknoppix | yoshio_: I just noticed this about debootstrap: "If you have a sarge Debian GNU/Linux CD mounted at /cdrom, you could substitute a file URL instead of the http URL: file:/cdrom/debian/" ... so maybe this is the way I should go. |
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| 05:29.13 | WiFiTux | Someone kows how to load a theme for fraking gkrellm? |
| 05:29.22 | djperegrine | How do I mount a NFTS harddrive not in root? |
| 05:29.24 | maher | WiFiTux: it says in the readme |
| 05:29.32 | buu | djperegrine: get root |
| 05:29.37 | djperegrine | get root ? |
| 05:29.42 | buu | Yes! |
| 05:29.42 | WiFiTux | maher, it says to run a script, that is not there! |
| 05:29.49 | c4__ | ATIIXP: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0 |
| 05:29.50 | c4__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.50 | c4__ | Probing IDE interface ide1... |
| 05:29.51 | djperegrine | I need to be in root to mount stuff? |
| 05:30.02 | buu | djperegrine: You need to add it to the fstab. |
| 05:30.05 | WiFiTux | djperegrine, most of times. |
| 05:30.05 | buu | That takes root. |
| 05:30.18 | c4__ | ? |
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| 05:30.29 | c4__ | err |
| 05:30.29 | djperegrine | I made it so my account can read and write to fstab |
| 05:30.32 | gobbles_ | send me som therion songs |
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| 05:30.44 | maher | WiFiTux: just put it in ~/.gkrellm2/themes |
| 05:30.44 | djperegrine | and I can mount |
| 05:30.51 | djperegrine | but I can't enter the folder its mounted to |
| 05:30.58 | buu | Why not? |
| 05:30.58 | pestilence | could somebody tell me how to forward a port on 127.0.0.1 to some other address? |
| 05:31.04 | djperegrine | I don't have permission |
| 05:31.11 | buu | djperegrine: Fix the fstab |
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| 05:31.31 | c4__ | ?? |
| 05:31.33 | djperegrine | /dev/hda1 /mnt/win ntfs user, 0 0 |
| 05:31.36 | djperegrine | thats what I have now |
| 05:31.56 | WiFiTux | maher, :) |
| 05:32.41 | yoshio_ | efort: "alias eth0 3c509", "alias eth1 3c509" in /etc/modules.conf, are the 3c509's ISA? |
| 05:32.45 | valdyn | pestilence: www.lartc.org, though I don't understand why someone would do that. |
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| 05:33.04 | yoshio_ | efort: I am looking at http://linux-sxs.org/networking/twonics.html |
| 05:33.09 | cabbage | apt-get upgarde just changed my evolution to a non-ssl version, how do I revert to the older version ? (running stable). |
| 05:33.23 | c4__ | what was that!!! |
| 05:33.31 | pestilence | valdyn: thanks, i'll give it a shot |
| 05:33.37 | narg | heh, just updated all my packages, and synaptic got a pimp new interface :p |
| 05:33.43 | gobbles_ | i cant seem to get a framebuffer to work with x while using append="video=ofonly" in my quik.conf, any suggestions. ive tried the aty ati radeon and other framebuffers |
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| 05:34.45 | c4__ | is that a fly? |
| 05:34.51 | c4__ | is that a plane? |
| 05:35.03 | c4__ | is that a bat or bat man? |
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| 05:35.43 | c4__ | no!, is an alien monster cricket! |
| 05:35.45 | nvz | narg: bah. |
| 05:35.58 | nvz | narg: I liked when it worked before they fucked it up :P |
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| 05:36.17 | narg | hrm, it not working right atm? I havnt had time to find any bugs yet |
| 05:36.32 | cabbage | can anyoone help me out ? How do I revert my evolution version ? |
| 05:36.33 | c4__ | Night is down in insect town |
| 05:36.33 | c4__ | I'm sitting here glued to the glowing tube |
| 05:36.33 | c4__ | Tedious, tedium, flowing slow |
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| 05:36.44 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: might work with your CD, not sure |
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| 05:37.12 | jetscreamer | greetings earthlings |
| 05:37.29 | kingsley_ | cabbage: Have you considered removing it and re-installing the older version? |
| 05:37.40 | djperegrine | brb |
| 05:38.11 | cabbage | kingsley_: how do I reference the older version ? |
| 05:38.15 | Nwallins | jetscreamer: welcome to the other dimension |
| 05:38.53 | jetscreamer | 2d eh |
| 05:38.53 | kingsley_ | cabbage: Surf http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 05:39.02 | exknoppix | yoshio_: One thing I don't get ... earlier, you said "Tom's root boot (two floppies)" ... but I'm at http://www.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt.FAQ and it says _one_ floppy and the listing doesn't include debootstrap ... is there another Tom's Boot Disk ... or am I supposed to use Tom's Boot on one floppy and debootstrap on a second floppy? |
| 05:39.26 | yoshio_ | cabbage: maybe get the old evolution from snapshot.debian.org |
| 05:39.26 | gobbles_ | gobbles, timmy. timmy gobbles |
| 05:39.36 | adamhall | /wc/ |
| 05:39.38 | jetscreamer | cabbage, unless you need the outlook like features, why not just use mozilla-mail or thunderbird? there's a moz calender even |
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| 05:39.53 | jetscreamer | evo iz bloato |
| 05:40.09 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: thought it was two floppies, root and boot. Once you boot, you run the debootstrap that you downloaded from debian |
| 05:41.31 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: I see that Tom's is one disk. Doesn't matter, just boot into any rescue type disk, then run debootstrap |
| 05:41.34 | exknoppix | yoshio_: ok, so there's a 1 floppy installer for debootstrap somewhere |
| 05:41.40 | cabbage | I am checking snapshot.debian.org now. I have al lot of folders and filters for sorting mail that I use is evolution, that would be a pain to try to migrate right now. |
| 05:41.44 | jetscreamer | yoshio_, yeah, but there's a couple (1-4 depending on flavor) of optional driver floppies as well |
| 05:41.45 | simonrvn | TTimo: a deb is an ar archive |
| 05:41.56 | jetscreamer | hey TTimo |
| 05:42.09 | c4__ | yoshio_: DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2 |
| 05:42.19 | gobbles_ | simon...heeeeeeeelp |
| 05:42.22 | c4__ | that means is on? |
| 05:42.37 | c4__ | yoshio_: i've made # hdparm -I /dev/hda |
| 05:43.11 | yoshio_ | jetscreamer: for the floppy install yes, but I thoguht debootstrap grabs the base package and driver package over the net |
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| 05:44.05 | jetscreamer | yoshio_, yeah but some drivers don't fit on the root/boot floppies, so if you have hw that isn't covered, the others are available |
| 05:44.14 | jetscreamer | like a nic module |
| 05:44.34 | litage | how does one get ntop to display traffic by ip address rather than by nic? |
| 05:45.18 | jetscreamer | btw: you can all blame TTimo for my presence in this channel, he turned me onto debian. |
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| 05:45.47 | simonrvn | TTimo: you bad boy :P |
| 05:45.52 | TTimo | heh |
| 05:46.12 | TTimo | I needed to share the pain |
| 05:46.15 | simonrvn | j/k of course :) |
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| 05:46.38 | kingsley_ | jetscreamer: Evidently extraterrestrials can learn a thing or two from mere earthlings. |
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| 05:46.51 | jetscreamer | depends on the earthlings :p |
| 05:46.59 | yoshio_ | c4__: sorry, don't know if that displays capabilities, or if it displays current settings |
| 05:48.08 | kenboo | c4__, what is your box? |
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| 05:49.24 | kenboo | c4__, i had the same problem with ICH6 before |
| 05:49.50 | moetia | i am having a hard time getting the java plugin to work in firefox |
| 05:49.56 | moetia | can someone help me |
| 05:49.58 | c4__ | kenboo: my box meens my mother? |
| 05:50.09 | kenboo | c4__, yes. |
| 05:50.53 | kenboo | do you have sth extra in /etc/modules ? |
| 05:51.02 | yoshio_ | moetia: what does it do or not do? |
| 05:51.21 | c4__ | kenboo: it's a p4 mother from asus with a radeon 9100 chipset |
| 05:51.39 | moetia | firefox will not display games |
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| 05:52.51 | yoshio_ | moetia: edit->preferences->web features has java turned on? |
| 05:53.05 | kenboo | c4__, ummm that's not enough....i wanted to know about the south brdige |
| 05:53.29 | exknoppix | yoshio_: ah, here is the root-and-boot double-floppies you were talking about ... http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 05:53.54 | c4__ | Host bridge: ATI 5833, PCI bridge 5838, IDE interface ATI 4349,... |
| 05:54.01 | exknoppix | yoshio_: except there are _four_ images |
| 05:54.03 | nixman_ | anyone tell me where i am supposed to put options for kernel modules ? |
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| 05:54.18 | Ureff | Hi, i want to be able to mount the cdrom (/dev/hdc) as normal user, i added ¨users¨ to fstab and umask=00 and did chmod 777 to /dev/hdc and mnt/cdrom and still i cant mount it with önly root can do that"error, whats the prob? |
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| 05:57.52 | Ureff | anyone? |
| 05:59.16 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: you need boot and root, if the nic drivers are not on the first two disks, then you use the additional nic drivers disk, don't know what the cd-driver is. if you have a common nic, then you may not need the additional nic disk |
| 05:59.20 | c4__ | kenboo: Host bridge: ATI 5833, PCI bridge 5838, IDE interface ATI 4349,... |
| 05:59.25 | kenboo | c4__, this may help. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0411.2/0671.html |
| 05:59.49 | kenboo | c4__, i have no experience with the chipset :-) sorry |
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| 06:01.06 | yoshio_ | exknoppix: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/MANIFEST tells you what images are for what |
| 06:01.32 | yoshio_ | cd-driver is scsi disk controller drivers |
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| 06:03.01 | c4__ | kenboo: thanks |
| 06:03.30 | yoshio_ | Ureff: it's "user", not "users" |
| 06:03.51 | buu | Eh, how can I tell if I'm using OSS or ALSA ? |
| 06:03.58 | yoshio_ | Ureff: oops, man page also mentions "users", sorry |
| 06:04.08 | buu | Eh, never mind |
| 06:04.30 | exknoppix | yoshio_: thanks. I was just reading it. ... anyway, I've got a bunch of "wget" downloading happening ... now I'll let my modem do some work while I get some zzz's ... night all! |
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| 06:06.54 | yoshio_ | Ureff: ls -l /dev/hdc, what is the group setting? type "groups", are you in that group? If not, add yourself to that group, logout/login, try again |
| 06:07.02 | karsten | Is there a trivial dual-head (two-card) configuration generator via dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, or do you have to hand-tune your XF86Config-4? |
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| 06:07.36 | moetia | how can i mount my second hdd? |
| 06:07.38 | jetscreamer | buu, lsmod |grep snd- maybe |
| 06:07.49 | moetia | the system is not recognizing it |
| 06:07.51 | karsten | moetia: man mount |
| 06:08.02 | jetscreamer | vfat or ntfs |
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| 06:08.12 | jetscreamer | aka fat32/vfat |
| 06:08.19 | yoshio_ | moetia: type "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" to see what partitions you have on it |
| 06:08.27 | exknoppix | One thing I was noticed today was latest xine (on Knoppix 3.7 and hopefully on Debian later today). Wow, xine sure runs smooth on my 350MHz. A year ago, this app was still pretty jerky. Nice to see all the contiuous improvement in the Linux world. |
| 06:08.49 | yoshio_ | moetia: type 'dmesg | less', does it show your second hard disk? |
| 06:08.54 | karsten | exknoppix: yes, my pr0n viewing has improved markedly. |
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| 06:09.41 | jetscreamer | moetia, is it an hd a partition on the same hd |
| 06:09.51 | moetia | it is a second hdd |
| 06:09.56 | moetia | not a partition |
| 06:10.15 | yoshio_ | moetia: type "about:plugins" in the address bar of firefox, does it show the java plugin, which site are you trying to run games on? |
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| 06:10.19 | jetscreamer | then what yoshio_ said. |
| 06:10.35 | buu | Is there some easy way to get a list of which files a package just installed? |
| 06:10.43 | yoshio_ | moetia: you mount partitions on a hard disk, not the whole thing at once |
| 06:10.44 | jetscreamer | somebody wants to play a flash game on the net i see |
| 06:10.45 | gravity | buu: dpkg -L packagename |
| 06:10.45 | maher | buu: dpkg -L |
| 06:10.54 | buu | ah |
| 06:10.56 | buu | Thanks |
| 06:11.46 | jetscreamer | GODDAMN DISCOVER/HOTPLUG loaded alsa... i have oss loaded as well |
| 06:12.08 | moetia | ok... my system is seeing the drive... it has one partition |
| 06:12.16 | moetia | how can i mount it? |
| 06:12.17 | c4__ | kenboo: this is my motherboard: http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4r800-vm/overview.htm |
| 06:12.37 | jetscreamer | hdb1 then, if it's on the first ide channel secondary |
| 06:12.51 | jetscreamer | if it's on the other ribbon cable it's hdc1 |
| 06:13.02 | jetscreamer | as primary, hdd1 as secondary |
| 06:13.10 | exknoppix | I was using "DVD Decrypter" on Win98 to make backups of my DVD movies. Any good site for getting something similar in the Debian world? Like many a deb-file somewhere? |
| 06:13.21 | jetscreamer | !tell exknoppix about marillat |
| 06:13.36 | yoshio_ | moetia: ls /mnt ; mkdir /mnt/moetia ; mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /mnt/moetia - assuming ext3 filesystem |
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| 06:14.09 | jetscreamer | exknoppix, put that in your sources, then apt-cache search <searchterm> |
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| 06:14.29 | jetscreamer | exknoppix, i sure hope you aren't installing woody btw |
| 06:15.20 | SteveWrightNZ | whats the debian way to prepare the kernel source for building modules against it ? |
| 06:15.29 | jetscreamer | ok how do i tell hotplug not to load snd-* ... or discover |
| 06:15.45 | jetscreamer | i found that having alsa-base keeps it from loading oss |
| 06:15.58 | jetscreamer | is there something similar ? |
| 06:16.05 | exknoppix | jetscreamer: no, going with testing (sarge, right?). |
| 06:16.07 | jetscreamer | or is it blacklist them all by hand |
| 06:16.07 | pw | SteveWrightNZ: you want build-essential and kernel-package, to start with |
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| 06:16.12 | jetscreamer | exknoppix, yeah good |
| 06:16.14 | pw | then read the kernel-package docs. |
| 06:16.14 | SteveWrightNZ | ps thank you |
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| 06:16.30 | pw | Oh, and the source for your modules and kernel :-) |
| 06:16.33 | exknoppix | !tell exknoppix about marillat |
| 06:16.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.56 | yoshio_ | jetscreamer: in /etc/discover.conf, put "skip modulename", in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, put modulename |
| 06:16.58 | simonrvn | exknoppix: /msg dpkg |
| 06:17.02 | jetscreamer | less typing and less spam |
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| 06:17.31 | jetscreamer | yoshio_, is there a superset or do i have to list snd-* individually |
| 06:17.34 | tehdely | hy |
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| 06:18.51 | moetia | yoshio_ i am getting an error.... mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, |
| 06:18.51 | moetia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:18.59 | Xenthius | Does Woddy Stable straight off the cd have IP MASQ support in its kernel? |
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| 06:19.12 | karsten | !ops botattack. |
| 06:19.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: botattack. |
| 06:19.27 | faddling | Microsoft Windows XP Professional |
| 06:19.32 | yoshio_ | jetscreamer: also check /etc/modutils/{alsa-base,sound} |
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| 06:21.14 | Hi | Hi |
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| 06:21.14 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 06:21.14 | yoshio_ | moetia: is it windows? try "vfat" as the type for long filenames, there should be a list of filesystems in /proc/filesystems |
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| 06:21.14 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 06:21.15 | nvz | when bots attack, and do it creativly |
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| 06:21.18 | Hi | Hi everybody |
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| 06:21.21 | EgoG3 | bob is on a roll |
| 06:21.22 | bob2 | Hi: go away, GMAIL |
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| 06:21.32 | bob2 | I'm really not in the mood for your idiocy |
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| 06:21.38 | yoshio_ | moetia: I mean what type of partition is it? linux,windows,mac? |
| 06:21.40 | Hi | bob2: ok dokie |
| 06:21.44 | jawboxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.46 | moetia | windows |
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| 06:21.51 | gravity | Jesus... wtf |
| 06:22.02 | Hi | WTF GNU flood?! |
| 06:22.09 | Xenthius | Does Woddy Stable straight off the cd have IP MASQ support in its kernel? |
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| 06:22.40 | exknoppix | wow, this is obnoxious |
| 06:22.43 | simonrvn | Xenthius: install a real kernel once you,ve finished installing |
| 06:22.48 | simonrvn | you've* |
| 06:22.51 | karsten | exknoppix: Yeah, it happens. |
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| 06:22.57 | Hi | I'll leave but don't kick me with the message flood |
| 06:22.58 | Xenthius | simonrvn: How do i do this? |
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| 06:23.08 | karsten | bob2: I'm in #freenode, when attack started |
| 06:23.09 | yoshio_ | moetia: I hope /dev/hdb is not your cd-rom, because that usually wants iso9660 as the type |
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| 06:23.31 | vinholi | does anyone know about segmentation fault |
| 06:23.34 | simonrvn | Xenthius: apt-cache search kernel-image, then install the one suited for your machine |
| 06:23.35 | gravity | karsten: What's the deal? |
| 06:23.38 | jetscreamer | i know you have to explicitly install the ipmasq package, but i'm not sure if idepci or bf24 have that module... i 'think' so.. |
| 06:23.41 | exknoppix | either an attack from Microsoft or Red Hat |
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| 06:24.00 | jetscreamer | Xenthius, use modconf and load it if it's there |
| 06:24.00 | karsten | gravity: botattack |
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| 06:24.00 | gravity | cute |
| 06:24.02 | gravity | karsten: Just us, or the network? |
| 06:24.17 | karsten | gravity: Mostly #d. I'm in other channels, no issues. |
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| 06:24.22 | simonrvn | looks like some windoze luser upset with the gpl or something |
| 06:24.26 | moetia | yoshio_ my cd rom is not mounted |
| 06:24.27 | prahal | hi from my iptables log requests on 192.168.1.255 end up on ppp0 ... |
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| 06:24.53 | prahal | though route is : 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:25.13 | yoshio_ | moetia: type "dmesg |grep hdb", "dmesg |grep hdc", "dmesg |grep hdd" to make sure you know which is the hard drive |
| 06:25.16 | gravity | ugh |
| 06:25.37 | semi_ | or: dmesg |grep ^hd |
| 06:26.25 | moetia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.25 | moetia | hdb: ST317221A, ATA DISK drive |
| 06:26.25 | moetia | hdb: max request size: 128KiB |
| 06:26.25 | moetia | hdb: 33683328 sectors (17245 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=33416/16/63, UDMA(66) |
| 06:26.25 | moetia | VFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev hdb1. |
| 06:26.25 | *** kick/#debian [moetia!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 06:26.30 | prahal | vinholi: it means you found a bug |
| 06:27.42 | prahal | uhm maybe the bot need tweaking :) |
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| 06:27.53 | vinholi | prahal: i found it when i run ymessenger command |
| 06:28.12 | bob2 | the bot did it's job perfectly |
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| 06:28.55 | eflynn | who runs unstable? |
| 06:29.02 | prahal | vinholi: i cannot find this program in debian |
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| 06:29.10 | moetia | sorry about the flood.. |
| 06:29.11 | streuner | moetia: don't flood here |
| 06:29.11 | mwilson | eflynn: You're taking a survey? |
| 06:29.17 | EgoG3 | hehe |
| 06:29.18 | yoshio_ | moetia: what kind of filesystem is on the second drive? |
| 06:29.19 | Guerin | eflynn: developers and testers |
| 06:29.27 | eflynn | mwilson: of course :-D |
| 06:29.28 | streuner | moetia: grep INITRD your_kernel_config |
| 06:29.40 | moetia | it was created on a windows box |
| 06:29.41 | mwilson | eflynn: I'm sure you think you're amusing. |
| 06:29.46 | karsten | EgoG3: Unmediated chaos. |
| 06:29.47 | prahal | vinholi: i suggest you to contact the developper (and try another program that does the same thing in between) |
| 06:29.50 | moetia | ntfs |
| 06:29.57 | karsten | EgoG3: ...as contrasted with, of course, mediated chaos. |
| 06:29.59 | EgoG3 | karsten: *nods* |
| 06:30.04 | eflynn | mwilson: wtf? |
| 06:30.09 | EgoG3 | ive seen that bot at work |
| 06:30.35 | vinholi | prahal:some programs say gtk warning |
| 06:30.44 | yoshio_ | moetia: win98, or nt? if win98, use "mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mnt/moetia", or for nt, put "ntfs" in for vfat |
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| 06:30.50 | karsten | mwilson: You see scrollback? |
| 06:30.51 | moetia | nt |
| 06:30.53 | vinholi | prahal:what does this mean |
| 06:31.03 | eflynn | fg |
| 06:31.10 | mwilson | karsten: Who's? |
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| 06:31.19 | karsten | mwilson: Um. Me to you here. |
| 06:31.37 | yoshio_ | moetia: but if ntfs is not in /etc/filesystems, I think you're sol |
| 06:31.44 | karsten | mwilson: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299009 |
| 06:31.56 | prahal | vinholi: those are remainder that the program is doing something wrong, but non fatal (most of the time it means that the program developpers needs to update its code) |
| 06:32.05 | karsten | yoshio_: It means he's got to load the module. |
| 06:32.25 | karsten | moetia: stock kernel? Try 'modprobe ntfs' |
| 06:32.27 | Guerin | takatumi: badgers |
| 06:32.32 | karsten | moetia: Will give you read-only access. |
| 06:32.36 | simonrvn | tazle: /ignore lusers |
| 06:32.40 | simonrvn | tazle: sorry |
| 06:32.41 | takatumi | Guerin! howdy pardner? |
| 06:32.45 | simonrvn | takatumi: /ignore lusers |
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| 06:32.59 | karsten | yoshio_: FYI, /etc/filesystems isn't authoritative, it just specifies FS search order. /proc/filesystems shows currently known FSs from kernel state. |
| 06:33.11 | moetia | yes stock kernel, 64 |
| 06:33.13 | mwilson | karsten: YOU filed it? |
| 06:33.16 | fenfir | can i use xargs with a cd command? |
| 06:33.17 | prahal | vinholi: for example kde applicaiton output 40 line about mime erros, because kde is changing its mime system and my applicaiton shas not updated (though the old one still work by now) |
| 06:33.18 | Guerin | takatumi: yes, i'm still around |
| 06:33.18 | karsten | mwilson: Hell yes. |
| 06:33.22 | Guerin | barely |
| 06:33.28 | mwilson | karsten: Whyfor? You thought I was insane. |
| 06:33.29 | yoshio_ | karsten: thanks |
| 06:33.37 | jetscreamer | modprobe ntfs, it's not loaded iirc |
| 06:33.42 | karsten | mwilson: Installer wants to remove 100 packages while I'm running a class. Damn straight it's a bug. |
| 06:33.43 | Guerin | i found out that I need a passport to get an internet connection, though, and immigration has the damn thing |
| 06:33.44 | prahal | vinholi: you meant the program start but output warnings ? |
| 06:33.46 | jetscreamer | or what karsten said |
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| 06:33.58 | karsten | mwilson: No, I *know* you're insane, but that doesn't mean you're not right sometimes. |
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| 06:34.26 | mwilson | karsten: It will be interesting to see what the maintainer has to say. :) |
| 06:34.43 | jetscreamer | you need a passport for internet? that's kinda... restrictive or something |
| 06:34.48 | prahal | hum could someone enlighten me about how a packet sent to 192.168.1.2 could end up on the net interface ? i end up trying to wakeonlan my ISP :) |
| 06:34.59 | karsten | prahal: Bad firewall/router. |
| 06:35.16 | jetscreamer | karsten, which package |
| 06:35.17 | pw | no route for 192.168.1.x means packet gets sent to router. |
| 06:35.28 | yoshio_ | moetia: did you type "modprobe ntfs", and tried the mount command again? |
| 06:35.39 | karsten | jetscreamer: ?? |
| 06:35.39 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 06:35.40 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 06:35.44 | jetscreamer | !rw-vfat |
| 06:35.44 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 vfat rw,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0222,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 06:35.45 | pw | s/route/local resolution of/ |
| 06:36.06 | mwilson | karsten: My money is on it being closed without comment. |
| 06:36.08 | jetscreamer | karsten, what is it that causes the removal of 100+ packages, which package/installer |
| 06:36.11 | prahal | karsten: well the firewalll i guess not, the router for sure , but i have two box, and this box is the gateway/router , no nat or such |
| 06:36.14 | karsten | pw: What happened to the IWE archive on ganymede? |
| 06:36.21 | karsten | mwilson: We'll see. |
| 06:36.30 | karsten | jetscreamer: aptitude. |
| 06:36.35 | pw | karsten: Shipped to Greg. |
| 06:36.38 | mwilson | karsten: But good for you, anyway. :) |
| 06:36.39 | jetscreamer | ahhh craptitude |
| 06:36.40 | prahal | karsten: i just enable my lan internet access through a proxy |
| 06:36.49 | karsten | jetscreamer: lastlog karsten.*bugs |
| 06:36.54 | karsten | pw: Hosted? |
| 06:37.00 | pw | karsten: We wanted it googlable but the spiders were killing me |
| 06:37.08 | pw | karsten: I think so, dunno the URL tho |
| 06:37.08 | jetscreamer | but it's surely a package it's trying to 'upgrade' that's causing the removal |
| 06:37.16 | karsten | pw: robots.txt |
| 06:37.23 | mwilson | jetscreamer: It's not. Hence the bug. |
| 06:37.33 | jetscreamer | weeee-urd |
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| 06:37.51 | karsten | jetscreamer: RTFBR: specifying the removed packages on the "install" line resulted in no conflicts. |
| 06:38.08 | pw | karsten: it's not my down, it's my up: I got 3Mbps down, but a colossal 300k up. And the way cable works, if up is saturated, down turns to crap, too. (can't get ACKs) |
| 06:38.15 | mwilson | jetscreamer: It's been reported against aptitude before... the maintainer usually closes them without comment. Karsten has a little better rep... perhaps he'll be listened to. |
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| 06:38.20 | takatumi | jetscreamer: hit ":" on all the main trees and try again. |
| 06:38.41 | karsten | jetscreamer: I'll follow up tomorrow with specifics on the packages installed interactive / cmdline. |
| 06:38.43 | jetscreamer | i do NOT use aptitude takatumi :) |
| 06:39.00 | pw | Do *not* touch the beer. |
| 06:39.02 | karsten | pw: iptables ;-) |
| 06:39.04 | fenfir | i use dselect |
| 06:39.10 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 06:39.22 | pw | karsten: Shoot Greg a mail. He'll clue you in. |
| 06:39.31 | karsten | jetscreamer: Mind: aptitude *logs* when it's going to give it to you hard in the backside with a rusty pipe. |
| 06:39.48 | simonrvn | karsten: rusty pipe with spikes along it |
| 06:39.55 | jetscreamer | i learned the sources thing in dselect is a toggle, and has nothing to do with the sources.list.. and dselect doesn't like the cd mounted |
| 06:39.56 | mwilson | Ah, but if it only logged the REASON why. |
| 06:39.57 | simonrvn | *OW* |
| 06:40.07 | vinholi | prahal:and when as root i run ymessenger i get gtk warning |
| 06:40.08 | pw | <aptitude> I know you asked for THIS, but I thought I'd give you THAT, and everything even remotely associated with it. |
| 06:40.11 | karsten | pw: Done. |
| 06:40.17 | vinholi | prahal:and when as root i run ymessenger i get gtk warning |
| 06:40.19 | EgoG3 | bob2: have fun |
| 06:40.20 | karsten | simonrvn: *barbs* damnit. Spikes are for pussies. |
| 06:40.21 | mwilson | karsten: Can you replicate the subject package state, if he asks? |
| 06:40.22 | FlopsyPete | Using 'Testing', I saved a web page in .ps format and need to give it to someone else to print. they won't be able to read it with Adobe Acrobat on Windows (I just tried, tho I thought that should work). Scribus won't import it so that I can convert it to PDF, isn't Scribus meant to be able to do this? |
| 06:40.36 | karsten | mwilson: It's a 3-day old install. I should have full logs. |
| 06:40.38 | mwilson | FlopsyPete: No. |
| 06:40.39 | vinholi | prahal:how should i solve the problem |
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| 06:40.45 | pw | FlopsyPete: Print it to PDF. |
| 06:40.46 | simonrvn | pw: turn "install recommended too" off for starters |
| 06:40.47 | karsten | mwilson: Which *is* aptitude goodness. |
| 06:40.53 | pw | simonrvn: yes. |
| 06:40.55 | fenfir | testing? what a sissy, i used experimental on my old system |
| 06:41.03 | mwilson | FlopsyPete: Who told you that scribus was a general-purpose postscript editor? |
| 06:41.03 | fenfir | of course, then it crashed.. |
| 06:41.13 | mwilson | fenfir: No, you did not. |
| 06:41.15 | simonrvn | i'm still using exp. ... |
| 06:41.23 | fenfir | i like exp |
| 06:41.32 | fenfir | it's a challenge |
| 06:41.33 | yoshio_ | w |
| 06:41.35 | jetscreamer | scribus is kinda like a framework for doc printing isn't it |
| 06:41.38 | simonrvn | and exp. is NOT a distrib of debian's. it's for testing shit |
| 06:41.40 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 06:41.48 | jetscreamer | !info scribus |
| 06:41.49 | simonrvn | you don't install experimental |
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| 06:41.52 | vinholi | prahal:or from where can i get the package for ymessenger |
| 06:41.55 | eflynn | i think 'unstable' is a bit of a misnomer |
| 06:41.55 | mwilson | fenfir: It's impossible, since experimental is far from complete. One cannot "run experimental". |
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| 06:42.01 | fenfir | apt-get distupgrade |
| 06:42.10 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade |
| 06:42.15 | fenfir | i did for a couple of hours |
| 06:42.18 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 06:42.18 | dpkg | No, jetscreamer, you're not online any more. |
| 06:42.20 | fenfir | like i said it crashed |
| 06:42.23 | simonrvn | mwilson: you can however have experimental as a source. as you know |
| 06:42.35 | fenfir | i'm good at crashing stuff |
| 06:42.38 | simonrvn | mwilson: (preaching to the converted ;) |
| 06:42.44 | FlopsyPete | mwilson: it sais it imports PS: File -> Import -> Import EPS/PS |
| 06:42.51 | fenfir | i've crashed my cell phone before |
| 06:43.02 | jetscreamer | wtf is up with dpkg |
| 06:43.03 | prahal | vinholi:is ymessenger a windows messenger program ? you must never start an applicaiton as root , more an internet one (to remove the warning , run sux instead of su to became root, gtk warns you that you are opening a windows in a window sessions that is not owned by root) |
| 06:43.05 | karsten | pw: http://www.gregfolkert.net/files/ |
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| 06:43.15 | jetscreamer | no info no find |
| 06:43.20 | karsten | pw: More specifically: http://www.gregfolkert.net/files/old-iwe-forums.tar.bz2 |
| 06:43.21 | FlopsyPete | pw: thats what I'd intended, but when I tried printing to file the only option was PS |
| 06:43.26 | mwilson | FlopsyPete: <sigh> You have a .PS file, you want a .PDF file. Use ps2pdf, and be done with it. |
| 06:43.31 | pw | karsten: That's hosted. Sort of ;-) |
| 06:43.38 | jetscreamer | dpkg is borked atm |
| 06:43.49 | pw | Dunno if he's unpacked that anywhere. |
| 06:43.49 | jetscreamer | or just clogged |
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| 06:44.16 | vinholi | prahal:thanx |
| 06:44.19 | karsten | pw: locate'ing on knight. |
| 06:44.22 | pw | FlopsyPete: Your Windows user could use Ghostview to see it. |
| 06:44.26 | vinholi | prahal: i will try & see |
| 06:44.28 | FlopsyPete | mwilson: ok; (but I'd heard I could print to PDF file and this is where I ended up) |
| 06:44.30 | pw | And print it, come to that. |
| 06:44.37 | prahal | vinholi: don't try ! |
| 06:44.55 | fenfir | ewww..windowsi was stuck on windows since monday, my ibook was in the shop |
| 06:45.33 | vinholi | prahal: i dint get abything from sux |
| 06:45.39 | prahal | vinholi:i find out it is a yahoo messenger . You won't improve anything running it as root, only if it works a cracker will be able to destroy all your data in 10 minutes |
| 06:45.58 | prahal | vinholi: sux is good for say synaptic |
| 06:46.24 | karsten | pw: Hrm. Think greg would mind my untarring that under ~kmself/public_html ;-) |
| 06:46.58 | vinholi | prahal: then what should i do now |
| 06:47.04 | karsten | pw: ...and is it only 93 MB compressed? Seems *way* too small. |
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| 06:47.19 | prahal | vinholi: most debian IM support yahoo |
| 06:47.30 | fenfir | gaim does yahoo |
| 06:47.32 | prahal | vinholi: gaim is not bad of an IM |
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| 06:47.40 | eflynn | does debian support reiserfs or other journalling filesystems? |
| 06:47.44 | pw | karsten: given the sheer number of files it creates, ask greg first |
| 06:47.45 | mwilson | karsten: Did you see the email exchange on d-u from Colin where he states it's unreasonable to expect aptitude and dpkg to cooperate? |
| 06:47.51 | jetscreamer | i have a better method for blacklisting stuff in hotplug&discover... sudo apt-get remove --purge discover hotplug |
| 06:47.52 | pw | and yeah, it squishes up nicely. |
| 06:47.58 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: ravenbird is back, and working |
| 06:48.09 | vinholi | prahal: gaim runs but it is not connecting |
| 06:48.14 | prahal | vinholi: you downloaded it from there : http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ? |
| 06:48.16 | karsten | mwilson: No. URL? |
| 06:48.19 | thesaboteur | I have a question, I have a scripts directory, is there a way to set that directory so that any new files I create in it will gain the permissions 0755? |
| 06:48.33 | mwilson | karsten: I'll have to see if I can find it. If I do, I'll post it to the bug. |
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| 06:48.38 | karsten | mwilson: I'm inclined to call bullshit. At least there should be a compatibility mode, punting to user. |
| 06:48.42 | karsten | mwilson: Thanks. |
| 06:48.42 | mwilson | karsten: This was a while back. |
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| 06:49.13 | vinholi | prahal: i have downloaded it from there itsef |
| 06:49.16 | eflynn | does debian support reiserfs or other journalling filesystems? |
| 06:49.21 | jetscreamer | ip_tables 18880 5 ipt_REJECT,ipt_LOG,iptable_mangle,iptable_filter,iptable_nat <-- this is all the submodules pulled in if you do modprobe ip_tables, correct? |
| 06:49.31 | pw | eflynn: yes. |
| 06:49.37 | prahal | vinholi: ... trying ... |
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| 06:50.08 | jetscreamer | as opposed to insmod |
| 06:50.10 | vinholi | prahal: and run this command as dpkg -i & filename |
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| 06:50.42 | zeeble | the heck! i just tried what karsten said about aptitude, and it wants to remove 4 packages because they are "no longer being used", and install a few others. while apt-get from cli never tells me any of this. |
| 06:50.45 | vinholi | prahal: it gets installed |
| 06:51.29 | vinholi | prahal: in normal user mode it gives segmentation fault |
| 06:51.50 | karsten | zeeble: Please file details to this bug... |
| 06:52.01 | karsten | zeeble: ... |
| 06:52.26 | karsten | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=299009 |
| 06:52.27 | zeeble | karsten: yeah. i will. lemme first do a dpkg -l | grep ii first |
| 06:52.32 | prahal | vinholi: it havenot segfault yet (though i have a hard time remenbering my old pass) |
| 06:52.37 | karsten | zeeble: ...or bug#299009 |
| 06:52.44 | karsten | zeeble: Right. |
| 06:52.49 | zeeble | karsten: yeah, i have it open. |
| 06:52.55 | karsten | zeeble: Packages installed at the time, what you tried to add. |
| 06:53.18 | karsten | zeeble: I *think* there's a way to get interactive mode or additional info on deps -- why aptitude thinks it should remove bugs. |
| 06:53.18 | vinholi | prahal: i even cantacted adminstrator |
| 06:53.21 | zeeble | karsten: i never tried to add anything. just opened aptitude, updated, and said "g" |
| 06:53.25 | karsten | zeeble: ...and thanks. |
| 06:53.34 | karsten | zeeble: Ah. You usually use CLI then? |
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| 06:53.43 | zeeble | karsten: yes. all the time. |
| 06:53.44 | vinholi | prahal: he told that reinsatllation will solve the problm |
| 06:53.46 | karsten | zeeble: Dig. |
| 06:53.53 | zeeble | karsten: or sometimes, synaptic :p |
| 06:53.59 | fenfir | can i set an environment variable to the output of a command? |
| 06:54.00 | vinholi | prahal: but is not helping me |
| 06:54.05 | karsten | pw: [kmself@knight:kmself]$ time tar tjvf /var/vhosts/gregfolkert/com/www/html/files/old-iwe-forums.tar.bz2 | wc -l |
| 06:54.08 | karsten | 138736 |
| 06:54.14 | DataCompBoy | Hi. Have anybody seen problem with sarge from last dvd-iso's? |
| 06:54.20 | karsten | pw: real 2m27.239s |
| 06:54.40 | DataCompBoy | when i'm doing dist-upgrade it tries to install caudium for me, while i have apache as webserver :/ |
| 06:54.50 | karsten | DataCompBoy: Install? exknoppix was griping about RC2 issues earlier tonight. |
| 06:54.56 | karsten | DataCompBoy: Um. NM> |
| 06:55.16 | pw | karsten: heh |
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| 06:55.36 | pw | iirc that file was one of the reasons some partition or other on ganymede was formatted reiserfs ;-) |
| 06:55.44 | DataCompBoy | I think, this is from php4 dependences. But when i'm call apt-get upgrade, it kept apache and php old versions. dist-upgrade upgrade apache, as well as install caudium :/ |
| 06:55.45 | karsten | Meh! |
| 06:55.56 | jetscreamer | compile it with garnome, KarlosII |
| 06:56.05 | karsten | pw: My first write of that to an ext2 FS took ~8 hours. |
| 06:56.15 | KarlosII | jetscreamer, huh..... |
| 06:56.20 | pw | karsten: I think that was the reason, yes ;-) |
| 06:56.32 | indes | garnome owns |
| 06:56.34 | indes | lol |
| 06:56.44 | fenfir | mmm garnome |
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| 06:57.35 | KarlosII | lol |
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| 06:58.38 | pw | KarlosII: It's already in Ubuntu Hoary, so I guess not. |
| 06:59.01 | KarlosII | pw, I think ubuntu built the debs |
| 06:59.19 | KarlosII | but those debs are not in the debian repository |
| 06:59.55 | pw | Not in experimental? |
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| 07:02.32 | Guerin | ubuntu debs will never be in debian |
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| 07:02.42 | Guerin | this must be clear to even the most boneheaded of you lot |
| 07:02.54 | simonrvn | or should be |
| 07:03.04 | pw | no, I meant "are GNOME 2.10 debs not in experimental?" |
| 07:03.11 | pw | <-- was unclear |
| 07:03.29 | KarlosII | pw, re topic |
| 07:04.02 | pw | Ah, can't see the end of the topic in the topic line in xchat, and it's long since scrolled northward. |
| 07:04.13 | zeeble | pw: well, type /topic |
| 07:04.15 | simonrvn | /topic will show you that |
| 07:04.21 | pw | Really? gosh. |
| 07:04.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:04.34 | Guerin | someone call the bur ward |
| 07:04.37 | Guerin | burn, even |
| 07:04.43 | zeeble | pw reminds me of pigglywiggly. |
| 07:04.47 | pw | KarlosII didn't mention the topic. |
| 07:04.55 | KarlosII | yes I did |
| 07:05.04 | simonrvn | (02.03.31) KarlosII ) pw, re topic |
| 07:05.04 | KarlosII | KarlosII pw, re topic |
| 07:05.08 | KarlosII | oops |
| 07:05.10 | KarlosII | :) |
| 07:05.14 | KarlosII | sry simonrvn |
| 07:05.23 | pw | That was AFTER, not BEFORE. |
| 07:05.25 | simonrvn | np. did nothing wrong :) |
| 07:05.31 | KarlosII | lol |
| 07:05.44 | pw | Yeah, watch the flooding or the ops'll have your eyes. |
| 07:05.49 | pw | :-P |
| 07:05.57 | KarlosII | what eyes I'm blind |
| 07:06.06 | KarlosII | o_o |
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| 07:06.13 | pw | You mean -_- |
| 07:06.16 | KarlosII | x-x |
| 07:06.28 | pw | Oh well, must go to work, I suppose. |
| 07:06.31 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:06.33 | Guerin | work |
| 07:06.33 | simonrvn | X_X |
| 07:06.34 | prahal | damn scanner , they again crashed my driver .... |
| 07:06.36 | WhiteRabbit | ºÂº |
| 07:06.43 | Guerin | i recently rediscovered what that is |
| 07:06.50 | KarlosII | heh |
| 07:06.55 | prahal | vinholi: sorry i have answered but you did not received anything :( |
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| 07:10.01 | exknoppix | I wouldn't say I was really "griping about RC2 issues" ... more like I was whining like a hurt puppy dog |
| 07:10.18 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:10.26 | Guerin | that is actually quite accurate |
| 07:11.33 | exknoppix | I'm too mellow/pathetic to actually gripe |
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| 07:12.25 | exknoppix | I'm happy with any affectionate attention that I get |
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| 07:12.49 | takatumi | WhiteRabbit: =_= |
| 07:13.26 | c4_ | who was helping me with the dma ide? |
| 07:13.55 | takatumi | c4_: Mrs.dma? |
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| 07:14.29 | c4_ | i don't know why some problems are solved including <*> the modules in kernel |
| 07:14.50 | c4_ | now i have dma and only have done that |
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| 07:15.00 | SteveWrightNZ | pw: I gor build-essential, and kernel source.. bz2 file in /usr/src what next ? |
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| 07:15.13 | membrive | hi |
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| 07:15.40 | c4_ | SteveWrightNZ: to bild a kernel? |
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| 07:16.15 | prahal | we got the same quesiton in debian.frnech ML , but i use my own kernel ... how does debian kernel maange dma ? if the generic driver is builtin no dma is doable in my kernel |
| 07:16.23 | simonrvn | SteveWrightNZ: man make-kpkg (apt-get install kernel-package) |
| 07:16.24 | SteveWrightNZ | c4_: to build a module for the kernel |
| 07:16.41 | SteveWrightNZ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 07:16.45 | mwilson | prahal: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 07:16.50 | takatumi | c4_: yeah some of the stuff works better compiled static. <*> |
| 07:17.31 | simonrvn | like um, the drivers driving your IDE / SCSI / other bus(ses) |
| 07:17.47 | prahal | mwilson: does debian kernel support dma ? i wonder how it could do that and provide the genreic ide driver (as the generic one take precednce and does nto support dma) |
| 07:18.22 | prahal | as the kernel need the ide driver to mount root, building as module is not an option |
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| 07:19.02 | takatumi | SteveWrightNZ: get kernel-package and libncurses5-dev as well and man make-kpkg |
| 07:19.25 | prahal | but on the frenvh ML one told to add the ide driver for the right chipset in /etc/modules, and told it worked ... i wonder how this could be |
| 07:19.25 | takatumi | simonrvn: dang, just read what you wrote :) |
| 07:19.26 | c4_ | takatumi: i used to load with loadlin, and a bug in some old version of loadlin halted "bad compresion..." if the kernel exeds about 1MB, so i have the mania of compiling all i can as modules. the new loadlin has no problems |
| 07:19.28 | SteveWrightNZ | k |
| 07:19.42 | simonrvn | takatumi: you added libncurses5-dev |
| 07:20.08 | prahal | or maybe i am wrong ? |
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| 07:20.26 | takatumi | c4_: you don't need to compile all of them static, but stuff like rootfs related stuff, acpi etc. are better static. |
| 07:20.40 | c4_ | yap |
| 07:20.45 | c4_ | bye |
| 07:21.26 | vinholi | prahal: hi |
| 07:21.35 | takatumi | SteveWrightNZ: is this for a third party module? |
| 07:21.43 | SteveWrightNZ | yes' |
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| 07:21.47 | vinholi | prahal: whats the solution for my problem |
| 07:21.52 | takatumi | SteveWrightNZ: try module-assistant |
| 07:22.02 | SteveWrightNZ | k |
| 07:22.15 | takatumi | SteveWrightNZ: no need to compile your kernel, kernel-headers might do. |
| 07:22.24 | SteveWrightNZ | k |
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| 07:22.32 | takatumi | !k |
| 07:22.32 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
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| 07:24.14 | takatumi | SteveWrightNZ: although rolling your own kernel is optimum, but involves more work. |
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| 07:24.41 | SteveWrightNZ | I just need a 3rd party module build |
| 07:24.56 | prahal | vinholi: you should try other messenger , and rewarn ymessenger that their version segfault |
| 07:25.53 | vinholi | prahal: can you suggest any messenger |
| 07:25.55 | prahal | vinholi: you could tell them that the crash happens while reading th preferences file |
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| 07:26.41 | stanman | hey |
| 07:27.00 | stanman | someone awake in here? |
| 07:27.10 | vinholi | prahal: can u suggest any other ymessenger version & source |
| 07:27.26 | VeerS | I've got a problem with my apache2 - he doesn't start anymore. |
| 07:27.41 | takatumi | stanman: Halt! what is your business here? |
| 07:27.55 | simonrvn | stanman: no |
| 07:28.04 | stanman | am looking for some help on a debian install |
| 07:28.11 | VeerS | I cant find any error messages in /var/log/messages or /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 07:28.14 | stanman | no bot.. |
| 07:28.25 | takatumi | !tell stanman -about ask |
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| 07:29.38 | VeerS | is there any config check or verbose output for apache2? |
| 07:29.38 | tarzeau | zeeble: here! |
| 07:29.39 | prahal | hum not really , from googling : http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread26932-1.html your are not alone with the segfault |
| 07:29.55 | stanman | i've installed debian with a woody install, with kde (am a real newbie on this). Now I'm trying to get poptop vpn server installed |
| 07:30.10 | zeeble | tarzeau: hehe. i was just asking when karsten spoke of porn-get :p |
| 07:30.22 | zeeble | tarzeau: and good morning. |
| 07:30.29 | prahal | vinholi: what is your problem with gaim (cannot connect ? no messages) |
| 07:30.38 | tarzeau | zeeble: aha. good morning |
| 07:30.53 | prahal | ther is also kopete |
| 07:30.54 | takatumi | tarzeau: pr0n-get will make you famous. :) |
| 07:31.23 | zeeble | takatumi: tarzeau IS famous. |
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| 07:31.37 | takatumi | zeeble: yes, yes. |
| 07:31.43 | tarzeau | will mariah carey go eat with me dinner, when i'm famous? |
| 07:31.59 | prahal | vinholi: gyach |
| 07:32.04 | takatumi | tarzeau: not her man, monicca belucci |
| 07:32.28 | vinholi | prahal: it says proxy serverforbids 5050 tunneling |
| 07:33.12 | prahal | hum this looks liek your netwwork admin or ISP forbid yahoo messenger |
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| 07:33.48 | stanman | can anyone help me out a bit on poptop? |
| 07:34.00 | takatumi | galeon just crapped on me. |
| 07:34.20 | prahal | vinholi: editing your gaim YM account opening more, then changing the port from 5050 to 80 ... maybe this could work |
| 07:34.24 | takatumi | firefox is crappy too, what next? |
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| 07:34.42 | takatumi | stanman: what are your errors? |
| 07:34.57 | vinholi | prahal: my friend next to me has used noproxy & is running fine |
| 07:35.05 | prahal | vinholi: well it seems to work here (though i cannot find my password :) |
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| 07:35.27 | catalyst | Hmm....latest fontconfig don't read compatible xfont-artwiz in ~/.fonts? |
| 07:35.28 | stanman | takatumi: when i run through the install docs, i need to check for mppe; checked: not installed |
| 07:35.45 | mwilson | catalyst: In english? |
| 07:35.49 | takatumi | stanman: that doesn't make sense to me. |
| 07:36.12 | stanman | Takatumi: then tried to install mppe with apt-get, but the package is not found |
| 07:36.14 | catalyst | mwilson: yeah! in UTF_en :) |
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| 07:36.39 | stanman | takatumi: somewhere i read that it could be because of the woody install? |
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| 07:37.04 | prahal | vinholi: well any noproxy tool will just change the port to 80 on the fly , it seems to work by hard coding it in gaim account |
| 07:37.11 | mwilson | Ah, /ignore |
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| 07:38.38 | stanman | how do i get mppe? |
| 07:38.48 | prahal | vinholi: yes it works (and i have a proxy too , though i am the admin ...) and i found long forgotten contacts :) |
| 07:39.28 | ARCh1V1St | I deleted /dev/ttyUSB0 by accident, and would like to replace this file. |
| 07:39.33 | ARCh1V1St | whats the best way |
| 07:39.44 | stanman | # apt-get install gcc bin86 libc6-dev bzip2 kernel-package kernel-patch-mppe |
| 07:39.50 | vinholi | prahal: but my admin least bother to help me |
| 07:40.01 | ARCh1V1St | i assume I cant just 'touch' something in dev |
| 07:40.02 | mwilson | ARCh1V1St: "best"? There's more than one? |
| 07:40.07 | stanman | this is not working: # apt-get install gcc bin86 libc6-dev bzip2 kernel-package kernel-patch-mppe |
| 07:40.07 | prahal | ARCh1V1St: cd /dev ; MAKEDEV ttyUSB |
| 07:40.09 | vinholi | prahal: now i use noproxy |
| 07:40.10 | ARCh1V1St | and setpermissions |
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| 07:40.25 | ARCh1V1St | ahhhhh, never used that command before ;D |
| 07:40.27 | ARCh1V1St | thanks alot |
| 07:40.45 | prahal | vinholi: you mean he helped you and this is fixed ? |
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| 07:41.27 | vinholi | prahal: i dont know |
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| 07:41.58 | prahal | vinholi: ? you can connect to yahoo messenger ? |
| 07:41.59 | vinholi | prahal: is there any other ymessenger version |
| 07:42.09 | paulswm | stanman: If you search the packages at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages , you will seee that kernel-patch-mppe is in the testing and unstable distros, but not in stable |
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| 07:42.42 | vinholi | prahal: the problem with giam is unable to connect |
| 07:42.49 | stanman | paulswm: thanks! |
| 07:42.51 | stanman | hmm |
| 07:42.52 | VeerS | hast du geh?rt derp :P |
| 07:43.14 | prahal | vinholi: yes but your problem with gaim comes from your network (even ymessenger would have failed without you changing the port as i told you how to in gaim) |
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| 07:43.25 | stanman | so no mppe in the stable versions |
| 07:43.44 | Guerin | wow, you pass reading comp. 001 |
| 07:43.45 | prahal | vinholi: by default yahoo messenger clients use the "port" 5050 and your admin forbid it |
| 07:43.51 | stanman | how save is the vpn tunnel when no mppe encryption is used? |
| 07:44.06 | vinholi | prahal: ya |
| 07:44.19 | VeerS | sry ^^ |
| 07:44.22 | vinholi | prahal: what should i tell my admin |
| 07:44.42 | vinholi | prahal: or what should i request my admin |
| 07:44.48 | Guerin | vinholi: tell him you want to waste time and bandwidth chatting, and that he should open some random ports for you |
| 07:45.00 | prahal | vinholi: in gaim account option you cna change 5050 to 80 and it should work (the same would be recquire for any other yahoo messenger client) |
| 07:45.04 | Guerin | or you'll h4x0r him |
| 07:45.59 | prahal | vinholi: you should be more verbose, i have a hard time understanding what you are talking about (what is noproxy ?) |
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| 07:46.37 | prahal | does it mean you use as software named noproxy, the admin told you there are no proxy , you tried a button named noproxy ? |
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| 07:47.15 | prahal | vinholi: he won't open the port for yahoo except if he does not know his job |
| 07:47.21 | vinholi | prahal: noproxy means dont use proxy while connecting to server |
| 07:47.59 | vinholi | prahal: ya i will contact him and make a request |
| 07:48.17 | prahal | ok i am reading again your previous informations |
| 07:48.58 | stanman | anyone did vpn in here? |
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| 07:49.52 | nvz | stanman: thats like asking, how save are STDs if no condoms are used.. and it really all depends on who you are sleeping with :p |
| 07:49.59 | vinholi | prahal: go to gaim & then go to preferences and then press network in there you will find this option called noproxy |
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| 07:50.24 | stanman | nvz: ur right |
| 07:50.42 | nvz | dpkg, ir? |
| 07:50.42 | dpkg | somebody said ir was InfraRed |
| 07:50.46 | nvz | dpkg, ur? |
| 07:50.46 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
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| 07:51.05 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.13 | Plastic | Hi, does anybody know which of the 10 sarge install CDs that Emacs is on? |
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| 07:51.24 | stanman | nvz: so how do i get pptp safer then? |
| 07:51.38 | Plastic | (or 14, even) |
| 07:51.55 | dinet | is there a precompiled kernel for alpha-systems? |
| 07:52.02 | Catsby | Dood! |
| 07:52.03 | Catsby | Dood! |
| 07:52.07 | Catsby | "What, who's dead?!?" |
| 07:52.15 | stanman | 'tuurlijk |
| 07:53.14 | ARCh1V1St | When trying to run 'MAKEDEV ttyUSB0 I receive this error: "don't know how to make device "ttyUSB0" |
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| 07:53.26 | ARCh1V1St | (as root, in the /dev directory of course) |
| 07:53.48 | chealer | dinet: for the alpha architecture? |
| 07:53.54 | dinet | chealer: yes |
| 07:53.56 | ARCh1V1St | any ideas how to work around this error?? |
| 07:54.16 | prahal | vinholi: but noproxy is the default ... didn't he made the opposite ? set the proxy to something the admin told him ? |
| 07:54.18 | chealer | dinet: yes, it's an official architecture |
| 07:54.52 | prahal | vinholi: i did not know this option of gaim, but you can ask your admin to setup this for you. |
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| 07:55.28 | nvz | stanman: I heard abstinence is the best policy. |
| 07:55.43 | dinet | chealer: found it now |
| 07:55.45 | stanman | euh |
| 07:55.48 | stanman | didn't mean that |
| 07:56.03 | kaplanfx | what is the /opt tree typically used for? |
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| 07:56.15 | nvz | kaplanfx: optional software |
| 07:56.16 | kaplanfx | google isn't giving me a clear answer |
| 07:56.22 | nvz | kaplanfx: not part of the distribution |
| 07:56.35 | kaplanfx | nvz: yeah I figured, but what would be the diff between that and say /usr/local? |
| 07:56.37 | vinholi | prahal: ya thanks for your advise |
| 07:56.52 | nvz | kaplanfx: f.e. a yahoo! messenger deb you download from messager.yahoo.com or something |
| 07:57.02 | vinholi | prahal: i am leaving for lunch |
| 07:57.05 | nvz | kaplanfx: nothing at all. its not in /usr/ |
| 07:57.07 | kaplanfx | nvz: huh? |
| 07:57.13 | vinholi | prahal: join u soon |
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| 07:57.20 | prahal | vinholi: bye , you need him because he know the address of the proxy |
| 07:57.25 | kaplanfx | nm |
| 07:57.44 | stanman | nvz: right again, maybe i'll just pull the plug! but I think that's not what i wanted... |
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| 07:57.50 | kaplanfx | so I can safely put a package in there if i don't want it to interfere with debian's tools? |
| 07:58.40 | prahal | does someone know why packets to 192.168.1.255 ends up on the gateway ? |
| 07:59.06 | prahal | when the gateway is on another interface |
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| 08:00.12 | chealer | kaplanfx: yes |
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| 08:00.41 | Xenthius | I need help setting up IP MASQ on a 2.2.20-idepci(Woody Unstable) install. The kernel doesnt have IPMASQ support, |
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| 08:02.09 | kaplanfx | nice |
| 08:02.18 | chealer | does debian comply with FHS? |
| 08:02.42 | prahal | chealer: at 99,99% |
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| 08:03.08 | chealer | cool |
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| 08:04.43 | Chameleon22 | can anyone recommend a nice webcam software that can either take snapshots so i can pop it on my webserver or stream stuff to my server, either way so i can see lets say my room from a webpage |
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| 08:06.32 | chealer | Xenthius: 2.2.20, woody unstable :? |
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| 08:08.46 | Xenthius | chealer: ye |
| 08:08.51 | VeerS | Chameleon22, mh "webcam" from xawtv? |
| 08:08.51 | Xenthius | unstable as in SID |
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| 08:09.11 | Xenthius | it was a Stable Woody install, then i changed the sources list to the unstable sources then did an upgrade ect |
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| 08:09.58 | stranger | hi guys |
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| 08:10.12 | stranger | i have a little problem with my debian sarge ... |
| 08:10.13 | chealer | Xenthius: well, I don't see any kernel-image for 2.2, unless you mean you did that a long time ago |
| 08:10.28 | stranger | does anyone know , what is the problem with php4? |
| 08:10.37 | stranger | or maybe ony i have a problem with him? :) |
| 08:10.51 | Xenthius | Chealer: i go the debian woody CD's (3.0) and installed the idepci version(stable) then i did an update to unstable |
| 08:11.05 | Xenthius | and i want to upgrade to newer kernel so that i can use IPMASQ |
| 08:11.19 | Xenthius | but everytime i upgrade the kernel, i loose my network card support |
| 08:11.27 | chealer | oh you upgraded everything BUT the kernel? |
| 08:11.41 | Xenthius | well i dunno what happened |
| 08:11.45 | Xenthius | but i did an apt-update |
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| 08:11.47 | chealer | only thing I see is "IP Masquerade requires the kernel to be compiled with masquerading support (please see documentation for specific kernel options required)." |
| 08:11.48 | Xenthius | then apt-upgrade |
| 08:12.00 | Xenthius | i cant compile kernels though |
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| 08:12.02 | Xenthius | im not that smart |
| 08:12.08 | Plastic | Is there a list somewhere of whcih packages are on which (binary) installation CD? |
| 08:12.23 | chealer | Plastic: if you ever find, tell me |
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| 08:13.08 | dinet | hope this works better now |
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| 08:14.15 | ircdevil | howdy |
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| 08:14.28 | ircdevil | anyone knows any articles on how to select CMS ? |
| 08:14.41 | skip | is there a linux equivalent to M$ OneNote? |
| 08:15.36 | ircdevil | skip: what is onenote? |
| 08:16.15 | dinet | ircdevil: there is a site where you can test some CMS and Blogg-software |
| 08:16.32 | exknoppix | music editing system |
| 08:16.45 | nvz | dpkg, cd contents |
| 08:16.45 | skip | ircdevil: it's a scrapbook type application that (I hate to say this) is useful for compiling notes & ideas |
| 08:16.45 | dpkg | from memory, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
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| 08:17.09 | nvz | Plastic: chealer: ^^ |
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| 08:19.03 | chealer | nvz: apparently 404 |
| 08:19.16 | chealer | ooooops |
| 08:20.04 | chealer | nice, but there's no such thing for sarge snapshots obviously? |
| 08:20.05 | nvz | chealer: yeah, read the whole factiod first :P |
| 08:20.42 | nvz | chealer: well for sarge I am not sure.. the sarge cds arent even really done yet to know.. |
| 08:20.45 | cafe_roy | skip: anything from knotes to mysql |
| 08:20.50 | chealer | usually I leave the channel before midnight so I don't lose too much reputation |
| 08:21.02 | nvz | bleah |
| 08:21.04 | chealer | but now I'm sick and my schedule is fucked up :) |
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| 08:21.31 | chealer | nvz: yeah, but it would be cool to know the latest snapshot's contents |
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| 08:21.47 | orjan | When I installed debian (testing) there was an automagic config that checked the screens resolution. Now I'm tesing a new screen how can I restart that? |
| 08:21.48 | nvz | I am playing GTA-SA collecting ammo and raising my pistol skills and raising my respect.. buy killig massive ammounts of police |
| 08:22.11 | JoshTriplett | orjan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 should re-run that same procedurre. |
| 08:22.17 | JoshTriplett | orjan: *procedure |
| 08:23.21 | orjan | JoshTriplett: well, yes, but the docs with the screen doesn't provide vsync and hsync. IIRC that was sensed automagicaly first time |
| 08:23.31 | JoshTriplett | orjan: Right. |
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| 08:23.48 | JoshTriplett | orjan: That automagic sensing should happen again if you reconfigure. |
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| 08:24.08 | JoshTriplett | orjan: Emphasis on *should*; I haven't personally tested the automagic configuration. |
| 08:24.12 | orjan | JoshTriplett: no, has tried already |
| 08:24.24 | tundra | djuindam |
| 08:24.46 | JoshTriplett | orjan: Ah. I stand corrected. :) |
| 08:24.55 | Henning | Just enter your monitor vsync and hsync in there and resolution should be set accordingly |
| 08:25.19 | Henning | www.monitorworld.com is a good place to look if you lack your monitors user manual |
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| 08:25.43 | JoshTriplett | orjan: I know it is possible to redo that automatic config. |
| 08:25.50 | orjan | Henning: yes, if I knew hsync and vsync I know how to do it. |
| 08:25.50 | nvz | !sync |
| 08:25.50 | dpkg | for monitor Sync ranges and Refresh rates, see http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html or http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html |
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| 08:26.06 | orjan | Henning: ok will check the url |
| 08:26.18 | tundra | orjan: ever been to amsterdamn |
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| 08:26.21 | tundra | amsterdam* |
| 08:26.25 | Henning | Go where dpkg said, since the site is a tad hard to navigate :) |
| 08:26.29 | orjan | tundra: yes a few times |
| 08:26.39 | orjan | Henning: ok |
| 08:26.43 | tundra | hrmm |
| 08:27.19 | tundra | to hang out with jessa |
| 08:27.50 | stanman | how can i check if a deamon is using port 1723? |
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| 08:29.02 | Draggor | Can someone help me out? |
| 08:29.02 | torbjorn | netstat |
| 08:29.08 | sep | stanman: netstat -an | grep LISTEN |
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| 08:29.30 | stanman | sep+torbjorn: thanks! |
| 08:29.59 | Draggor | I'm trying to compile kmc on a debian amd64 system and I get this error: configure:21681: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 08:30.17 | sep | stanman: fuser -n tcp 1723 will give you the pid of the prossess runnin on that port |
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| 08:30.55 | chealer | Draggor: ask on #debian-kde |
| 08:31.08 | orjan | nvz: the dewback site from dpkg factoid does not resolve |
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| 08:31.30 | Draggor | Okay, thanks |
| 08:31.32 | sep | Draggor: maybee you need libqt3-dev or similar |
| 08:31.38 | Draggor | I got that one |
| 08:32.06 | exknoppix | rat13: sorry, I didn't have my chat windows set up in emacs IRC ... I forget how to do it |
| 08:32.27 | stanman | sep: ever installed pptpd? |
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| 08:32.34 | exknoppix | rat13: ... give me a minute to remember |
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| 08:34.23 | nvz | dpkg, sync =! s#http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html or## |
| 08:34.32 | nvz | dpkg, sync =~ s#http://www.dewback.cl/files/public/confs/syncs.html or## |
| 08:34.32 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
| 08:34.56 | sep | stanman: no never |
| 08:34.58 | nvz | orjan: news to me. that was the original url I put in there, was a long list of monitors sync ranges |
| 08:35.53 | orjan | nvz: ok just tried to give info to keep factoids current |
| 08:37.25 | Catsby | I've installed pptpd and gotten a working pptp connection going on my Linux box, and made it the secondary local router for my other machines. |
| 08:37.30 | Catsby | If anyone cares :o) |
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| 08:41.10 | nvz | orjan: its been removed from the factoid :) |
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| 08:41.43 | Zvpun | How to find packages that provide a virtual package? E.g. which package provides gpgsm |
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| 08:43.29 | sep | Zvpun: package that provide virtual package ??? confusing question, are you looking for equivs ?? |
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| 08:43.57 | DebUser | Is there a simple way of removing all programs, except for the Debian base? |
| 08:44.03 | Zvpun | sep: gpgsm is a virtual package. What do I have to install to get gpgsm? |
| 08:44.14 | Zvpun | sep: what is equivs? |
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| 08:44.56 | sep | Zvpun: not what your lookingfor |
| 08:45.02 | chealer | !tell Zvpun about equivs |
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| 08:51.23 | takatumi | stanman: is this a server? |
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| 08:52.15 | Henning | DebUser: If you get a good answer for that, I'd be interested in knowing too, a highlight on my nick would be nice :) |
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| 08:53.26 | faheem | Hi all |
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| 08:54.30 | tiger1020x | ??how can i upgrade to 2.6 with apt or wajig? |
| 08:54.34 | faheem | help |
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| 08:58.05 | chealer | is it just a rumor that RMS already wanted to be a debian maintainer? :) |
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| 08:59.17 | tibo | hello |
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| 08:59.59 | libpcp | hi all |
| 09:00.32 | libpcp | im configuring my syslog.conf, is this possible? |
| 09:00.38 | libpcp | mail.* /var/log/maillog |
| 09:00.39 | libpcp | mail.* @192.168.0.5 |
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| 09:01.12 | libpcp | i want to send the log of mail to a syslog server at the same time i want to retain my log on my maillog |
| 09:01.21 | kpanik | im looking for chat/videoconference tools, can someone advice me some good GPL softwares? |
| 09:01.22 | faheem | Hi All |
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| 09:02.13 | chealer | kpanik: chat AND videoconference or chat OR videoconference? |
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| 09:02.43 | stanman | catsby |
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| 09:02.56 | kpanik | chealer: AND & OR |
| 09:03.21 | stanman | catsby: how did you get pptp working? |
| 09:03.26 | chealer | kpanik: I don't know for videoconference, but which protocols for chat you want? |
| 09:03.28 | kpanik | chealer: for chat there is IRC, but i want to know if there are good other one |
| 09:03.55 | chealer | kpanik: you want me to tell you about other protocols? |
| 09:04.18 | kpanik | chealer: what can u tell me ? |
| 09:04.19 | kpanik | :) |
| 09:04.39 | chealer | kpanik: which who do you want to talk? |
| 09:04.50 | chealer | s/which/with |
| 09:05.12 | kpanik | i have to implement a chat service, i would like to know what can be used |
| 09:06.27 | kpanik | other question, what is used for instance when R.Stallman is interviewed by videoconf |
| 09:06.33 | jetscreamer | gaim-vv |
| 09:06.50 | jetscreamer | err is one program |
| 09:07.19 | chealer | kpanik: so you want to make available chat rooms where multiple people can talk together, just like IRC? |
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| 09:07.32 | kpanik | jetscreamer: chealer : exactly |
| 09:07.43 | chealer | I only know IRC and jabber |
| 09:07.52 | kpanik | jetscreamer: thx, i'm looking at this solution |
| 09:08.04 | jetscreamer | there are others |
| 09:08.09 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
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| 09:08.21 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search videoconference even |
| 09:08.28 | kpanik | chealer: ok |
| 09:09.03 | kpanik | jetscreamer: yep, i allready did that, but im looking for feed back about vic, rat and other stuff |
| 09:10.05 | kpanik | when some big shots from FSF do some conference, what soft are used ? |
| 09:11.27 | jetscreamer | windows media player :p |
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| 09:12.11 | jetscreamer | what about shout/ice cast |
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| 09:12.39 | Catsby | stanman, pptp was painful to set up. What part are you stuck on? |
| 09:12.46 | kpanik | jetscreamer: this sounds more like broadcast to me ? |
| 09:12.56 | jetscreamer | ah well |
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| 09:13.20 | jetscreamer | i don't suppose you know what i was going to read the manpage about by any chance |
| 09:14.36 | kpanik | jetscreamer: what do you mean ? :) |
| 09:14.56 | jetscreamer | i mean i typed man, and compleatly spaced out about what i was gonna man |
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| 09:19.28 | Catsby | Oh well, maybe later I will show you my pptpd configuration. Night time for now! |
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| 09:31.03 | tr1gg3r | i just installed debian testing, when i boot all of my services say "warning: fake start stop daemon do nothing" |
| 09:31.39 | caiqian | anybody know how to set up firefox to print Chinese? |
| 09:32.07 | tr1gg3r | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 09:32.56 | caiqian | my printer is setting up properly, without problem in gedit, abiword and etc. |
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| 09:34.17 | j_k | tr1gg3r: did the installation finsh properly? |
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| 09:36.33 | tr1gg3r | j_k, yes |
| 09:36.36 | j_k | tr1gg3r: the "fake start stop daemon" is used at install time. I guess you have a /sbin/start-stop-daemon.real file or something which you can move back as /sbin/start-stop-daemon, but it should have done at install time. |
| 09:37.10 | j_k | it should have /been/ done |
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| 09:38.07 | tr1gg3r | j_k, i have start_stop_daemon and start_daemon.debian in /sbin is the .debian file the one i need to rename? |
| 09:39.49 | tr1gg3r | j_k, thx i'll try this hope it works |
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| 09:41.41 | SJr | Lets say during install my network card wasn't detected, so it wasn't configured, how can I manually get the /etc/network stuff and ifup and ifdown |
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| 09:43.48 | dondelelcaro | SJr: edit /etc/network/interfaces; [man 5 interfaces for details] |
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| 09:46.05 | SJr | oic |
| 09:46.09 | SJr | I don't need anything eles |
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| 09:48.09 | Danar | anyone ever seen a /.dev directory? |
| 09:48.13 | Mutiny | i don't suppose anybody would know off hand what debian package has the right apxs for apache2? |
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| 09:48.21 | SJr | Danar I have yes, I have no idea what causes it tho :P |
| 09:48.29 | simonrvn | udev |
| 09:48.39 | Danar | simonrvn: udev uses it? |
| 09:48.44 | SJr | whats udev? |
| 09:48.56 | simonrvn | udev makes it (debian's anyway; the init script) |
| 09:49.19 | SJr | whats its purpose / function |
| 09:49.34 | SJr | is it part of a Romulan plot? Is it a Romulan play? |
| 09:49.36 | simonrvn | replacement for devfs, more or less |
| 09:49.44 | Danar | i see, that's right |
| 09:49.45 | Danar | thx |
| 09:49.58 | vincent | Danar: see the threads starting from http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/threads.html#00380 |
| 09:50.40 | Danar | don't have /.udev |
| 09:50.57 | Danar | but i do have /.dev |
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| 09:52.18 | vincent | Danar: That's a typo of the first poster, he did say it's /.dev in the mail |
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| 09:52.25 | Danar | k |
| 09:53.07 | vincent | but simonrvn's explanation is right, so you don't need to worry if you don't care the details |
| 09:53.32 | vincent | it's introduced by udev package, and there is nothing wrong |
| 09:53.40 | Danar | why might i be unable to change the permissions on a world-writeable file? |
| 09:54.42 | thesaboteur | to change permissions you have to be the owner, for the most part. |
| 09:54.45 | dondelelcaro | Danar: because you don't own the file? |
| 09:54.56 | Danar | as root |
| 09:55.10 | vincent | read-only file system? |
| 09:55.13 | Danar | nope |
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| 09:55.28 | dondelelcaro | Danar: what is the output of mount; for that filesystem? |
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| 09:56.40 | dondelelcaro | Danar: uh, for just that filesystem. |
| 09:56.49 | vincent | or immutable file, that's the only thing I can think of |
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| 09:57.05 | Danar | /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 09:57.17 | dondelelcaro | /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb1 type vfat (rw,uid=1000,gid=1002,umask=002) <-- I sure hope it's not something in /mnt/hdb1 |
| 09:57.28 | Danar | no |
| 09:57.41 | dondelelcaro | Danar: ok, what's the output of stat on this file? |
| 09:57.49 | DebUser | Where's root's mail stored? |
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| 09:58.08 | dondelelcaro | Danar: depends on your MTA. Often, /var/spool/mail/root |
| 09:58.18 | DebUser | cheers |
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| 09:59.38 | Danar | i change the permissions, then check them, and they're unchanged |
| 09:59.48 | dondelelcaro | Danar: uh... that's a socket. |
| 10:00.04 | Danar | heh |
| 10:00.34 | Danar | so, how do i fix the permissions? |
| 10:01.20 | zeeble | anyone know if it is possible to ftp upload to sf.net projects? |
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| 10:02.52 | ircdevil | !hello? |
| 10:02.52 | dpkg | Hi, ircdevil! |
| 10:03.05 | ircdevil | what is wxwindow? |
| 10:03.36 | zeeble | its a toolkit. |
| 10:03.36 | kenboo | 12meg |
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| 10:04.29 | Arjan | hi |
| 10:05.10 | ircdevil | yuck - compile error: tview.cpp:275: no matching function for call to `wxRect::Offset (int, int)' |
| 10:06.16 | ircdevil | bah, ancient debian packages! |
| 10:06.57 | lizard | debian is supported by ibm 300gl? |
| 10:07.08 | Arjan | can i break in with a question |
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| 10:07.34 | tchino | has someone connect his mini ipod to debian |
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| 10:08.35 | kenboo | !dpkg ipod |
| 10:08.35 | dpkg | ipod is probably a purty silver and white box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 10:09.11 | Danar | dondelelcaro: i have other files a directories that are not sockets with the same problem |
| 10:09.17 | Danar | *files and |
| 10:09.31 | pngwn | Arjan, just ask the question |
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| 10:11.05 | Arjan | ok |
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| 10:11.23 | Arjan | is it possible to do a mount --bind for 2.2 kernel |
| 10:12.14 | Arjan | or is there a better solution for getting non-write permission in a directory for root |
| 10:12.37 | DrunkenFreak | hi is there any page like gentoo-portage.com? i like to know when new versions out or in which release they get |
| 10:13.21 | jethro | DrunkenFreak: packages.debian.org |
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| 10:14.06 | Danar | i have world writeable files & folders i can't change the permissions for (as root). anyone know why? |
| 10:14.52 | DrunkenFreak | thats not what i am looking for. i want a page where new versions are on top. like the right side of gentoo-packages.com |
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| 10:15.12 | Gathond | Danar: read only filesystem? |
| 10:15.17 | Danar | Gathond: nope |
| 10:15.33 | Danar | /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 10:15.34 | Gathond | fat filesystem, or something else without unix permission support |
| 10:16.24 | jethro | DrunkenFreak: make your own based on the infos provided by p.d.o then |
| 10:16.35 | DrunkenFreak | whats pdo? |
| 10:16.40 | jethro | packages.debian.org |
| 10:18.16 | Danar | i get no error. it appears to succeed, but when i check the permissions, they're unchanged |
| 10:18.32 | libpcp | i would like to ask what port does the zone transfer use? i configured my secondary name server but the transfer was failed. when i flushed my iptables on both primary and secondary name server it works. |
| 10:18.49 | Arjan | danar permissions of what files or dirs |
| 10:19.21 | Danar | some in /etc/skel/.xpde mainly, but there are others |
| 10:20.02 | Arjan | you ca not change them |
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| 10:20.14 | Danar | o.O |
| 10:20.37 | Danar | uh, why not? |
| 10:21.00 | Arjan | ? sorry was a question |
| 10:21.10 | Danar | oh |
| 10:21.11 | Danar | right |
| 10:21.28 | Danar | i try to change the permissions, and when i check they're unchanged |
| 10:21.44 | Arjan | you change them as root |
| 10:21.47 | Danar | yep |
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| 10:22.12 | Arjan | .xpde is part of |
| 10:22.27 | Danar | part of xpde :p |
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| 10:23.12 | redcliffe | hi all - i've got an audigy 2 on alsa, why is /dev/sequencer non-existant? or how do i set up to be able to use the midi synthesiser on my sound card |
| 10:23.22 | Danar | they're normal files & folders, so i should be able to change them... |
| 10:23.42 | Arjan | has your .xpde or /etc/skel the stikky bit |
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| 10:24.14 | Danar | nope |
| 10:24.25 | Arjan | strange |
| 10:24.56 | Arjan | i got the opposite |
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| 10:25.18 | spo0nman | whats shall i pass as boot argument to a woody cd to boot with kernel 2.4 |
| 10:25.18 | Arjan | if a i change a dir to non write acces with root |
| 10:25.20 | Danar | that won't change either :/ |
| 10:25.30 | spo0nman | bf24? |
| 10:25.39 | Arjan | a can stil add and delete files |
| 10:26.11 | EvanCarroll | anyone know when the last day to file income taxes is in the US? |
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| 10:28.57 | Penix | isn't it April 15 or 16 or something? |
| 10:29.08 | Penix | not that I'd know. just sounds familiar |
| 10:29.23 | Penix | google would know |
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| 10:29.36 | EvanCarroll | thanks that what i thought aprilish |
| 10:29.40 | EvanCarroll | i can put it off some more |
| 10:29.42 | EvanCarroll | =D |
| 10:29.46 | abc | Does anyone know a mailmonitor for the gnome-panel (as of gnome 2.10 the build-in mailmonitor applet is no longer supported)? |
| 10:29.56 | Danar | anyone ever been unable to change permissions on files and/or folders? |
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| 10:30.18 | Danar | (as root, on an rw file system) |
| 10:30.19 | EvanCarroll | Danar: impossible, if you have root access or own the file you can change the permissions |
| 10:30.44 | Danar | EvanCarroll: not so impossible apparently |
| 10:31.05 | Danar | i change the permissions, but when i check they remain unchanged |
| 10:31.06 | EvanCarroll | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.13 | Danar | several |
| 10:31.26 | Danar | in /etc/skel/.xpde mostly |
| 10:31.33 | berkes | 've googling for a while, but i'd like some real opinions: |
| 10:31.34 | berkes | whats the best IMAP server for a small scale server? |
| 10:31.38 | EvanCarroll | never heard of anything of the like |
| 10:31.40 | berkes | small scale is < 200 mails per day. |
| 10:31.56 | EvanCarroll | berkes: I REALLY REALLY like courier-imap |
| 10:32.09 | EvanCarroll | berkes: it goes very very very well with courier-mta |
| 10:32.17 | Danar | well, i'm root, it's ext3 rw filesystem and they're world-writeable, and i can't change it |
| 10:32.23 | berkes | ive been looking a dovecot and Cyrus |
| 10:32.28 | EvanCarroll | berkes: see courier-imap-ssl and courier-mta-ssl if you need or want ssl |
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| 10:33.16 | Danar | EvanCarroll: any ideas/ |
| 10:33.22 | Gumby | can anyone tell me if it is possible to just recompile all the modules in a kernel (if I have the exact kernel source the kernel was created from). ie) make modules && make modules_install ? |
| 10:33.26 | berkes | courir looks very interersting, EvanCarr1ll |
| 10:33.31 | EvanCarroll | Danar: None at all, sorry =[ |
| 10:33.40 | berkes | EvanCarroll ;) |
| 10:33.59 | EvanCarroll | Gumby: that will reinstall the same kernel as well |
| 10:34.06 | Danar | :( anyone else then? |
| 10:34.10 | EvanCarroll | Gumby: err correction |
| 10:34.25 | Arjan | danar dcc chat? |
| 10:34.32 | Danar | Arjan: huh? |
| 10:34.35 | EvanCarroll | Gumby: that should rebuild the kernel in the event it isn't built, if it is and you haven't run make clean, then it should do as you would want |
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| 10:37.24 | Danar | Arjan: what're you doing? |
| 10:37.31 | Gumby | EvanCarr1ll: cool, the issue I am having is this. I am running knoppmyth but the ati_remote module doesnt have key biindings that are to my liking. So I need to recompile that but its a kernel module and I dont see any source available for 2.6 kernel. So I compile a kernel, but with that kernel the ivtv module I create for it I cant get any sound. So I just want to try recompiling the current kernel modules so the ivtv ones dont get broken. |
| 10:37.39 | Gumby | (hopefully that makes some sort of sense) |
| 10:37.49 | Arjan | sorry dcc |
| 10:38.21 | Arjan | danar please join #arjan |
| 10:38.24 | Danar | for what purpose? |
| 10:39.28 | Arjan | you got almost the same problem as I do, I can change file perms. But it has no effect on root |
| 10:39.49 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 10:39.49 | dpkg | pong |
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| 10:40.29 | Danar | and what purpose does joining a seperate channel serve? |
| 10:40.38 | Arjan | nothing |
| 10:40.42 | Arjan | sorry |
| 10:40.47 | Danar | then i ask again: why? |
| 10:40.57 | Arjan | never mind |
| 10:41.40 | Arjan | may i ask what your mount options are |
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| 10:42.07 | Danar | for the relevant partition: /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 10:42.18 | Arjan | yep |
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| 10:42.52 | jetscreamer | man mount, anything you add to defaults can change more than what you set |
| 10:43.11 | Danar | noauto,users,exec 0 0 |
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| 10:43.44 | jetscreamer | man mount, man fstab |
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| 10:44.16 | Danar | there's nothing wrong with my mounting |
| 10:44.25 | jetscreamer | s/add to/add after/ |
| 10:44.27 | jetscreamer | k |
| 10:44.31 | jetscreamer | that's why it's doing what you want |
| 10:44.34 | jetscreamer | right? |
| 10:45.08 | Danar | i can change permissions on other files & folders |
| 10:45.18 | Danar | just not the world-writeable ones |
| 10:45.22 | jetscreamer | nothings wrong with it, but you need to get it to do what you want |
| 10:45.36 | jetscreamer | thus, man mount |
| 10:45.51 | jetscreamer | !man mount |
| 10:46.24 | Danar | what does mount have to do with it? if it were the mount options it would affect everything in it |
| 10:46.32 | Danar | no? |
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| 10:46.58 | Putiikki | what is a good cd-ripping software? |
| 10:47.04 | jetscreamer | k3b |
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| 10:47.31 | Putiikki | i'm using gnome |
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| 10:47.45 | sukria | I have the following error when doing apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
| 10:47.46 | Danar | gordian knot |
| 10:47.52 | sukria | How could I solve this problem, even with installing debian-keyrings the error still reamins... |
| 10:48.22 | jetscreamer | socket.. what is the socket of which they speak |
| 10:48.47 | caphuso | sukria: what does "apt-get -v | head -n1" say? |
| 10:48.48 | Danar | me? |
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| 10:49.07 | Danar | one of the files was a socket. i'm ignoring it for the moment... |
| 10:49.42 | sukria | caphuso: apt-get -v | head -n1 |
| 10:49.42 | sukria | apt 0.6.25 for linux i386 compiled on Jun 9 2004 05:37:07 |
| 10:49.59 | jetscreamer | show me ls -lA on a non-socket file |
| 10:50.02 | caphuso | sukria: that's an experimental version of apt, isn't? |
| 10:50.09 | sukria | yes, I tried it yesterday |
| 10:50.09 | jethro | when using chroot, can I prevent chrooted process from accessing non chrooted processes? ie: can I forbid a chrooted kill -9 to a non chrooted process, that without any kernel tricks like grsec |
| 10:50.15 | caphuso | s/\?/it?/ |
| 10:50.24 | sukria | caphuso: I'd like to test it |
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| 10:50.35 | Danar | drwxrwxr-x 3 root 4096 2003-12-11 00:22 dirname |
| 10:50.39 | caphuso | sukria: good. reinstall the non-experimental one, or stop bothering other people with stupid self inflicted problems |
| 10:50.43 | sukria | caphuso: but I had the problem _vefore_ I upgraded to the experiemtnal version |
| 10:51.00 | jetscreamer | wtf isgroup 4096 |
| 10:51.18 | jetscreamer | and is that a symlink? |
| 10:51.25 | caphuso | a directory |
| 10:51.29 | jetscreamer | no that's a dir |
| 10:51.32 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 10:51.35 | jetscreamer | file |
| 10:51.45 | jetscreamer | como se dice en englais 'file' |
| 10:51.45 | caphuso | and group 4096 is, uhm, group 4096 |
| 10:52.01 | jetscreamer | group 4096 obviously isn't defined on his box |
| 10:52.14 | caphuso | possible |
| 10:52.16 | Danar | not a link |
| 10:52.16 | jetscreamer | or he has a lot of groupos |
| 10:52.29 | jetscreamer | s/englais/ingles/ |
| 10:52.34 | Danar | don't have a user group 4096 |
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| 10:52.46 | jetscreamer | ok so why do you have one |
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| 10:52.48 | caphuso | Danar: yes, but you have a directory owned by that group |
| 10:52.51 | Danar | dunno |
| 10:52.53 | jetscreamer | FILE |
| 10:52.59 | jetscreamer | how do you say fil in english |
| 10:53.01 | jetscreamer | file |
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| 10:53.42 | Danar | -rw-rw---- 1 root 0 2003-12-11 00:22 filename |
| 10:53.57 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 10:53.59 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 10:54.00 | caphuso | that's weird |
| 10:54.13 | caphuso | Danar: did you get rid of your /etc/group or something? |
| 10:54.15 | jetscreamer | what what the mount/fstab line |
| 10:54.16 | Danar | that's in that dir |
| 10:54.23 | jetscreamer | what was |
| 10:54.34 | Danar | mount/fstab line? |
| 10:54.50 | jetscreamer | mount if you mounted it manually, fstab line if you didn't |
| 10:54.53 | Arjan | etc/fstab |
| 10:55.07 | caphuso | that doesn't look like a mounting problem |
| 10:55.20 | Danar | hrm, there's two references to it |
| 10:55.31 | Danar | /dev/hdb2 / ext3 defaults 0 1 |
| 10:55.42 | Danar | and /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0 |
| 10:56.19 | Danar | from fstab |
| 10:56.32 | caphuso | Danar: check /proc/mounts to see what's actually in use |
| 10:56.35 | Danar | mount says /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw) |
| 10:56.35 | Arjan | why 2x mount |
| 10:56.45 | jetscreamer | caphuso knows more than me but you could try unmounting and comenting out the second one, then remounting |
| 10:56.50 | caphuso | what for? |
| 10:56.57 | jetscreamer | the group thingys are funny |
| 10:57.22 | Danar | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
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| 10:57.28 | jetscreamer | why not? it's funny, his mount perms are funny, nothing better to do before he rips open the /etc/groups thing |
| 10:57.57 | Danar | ^ /proc/mounts |
| 10:58.12 | jetscreamer | yeh you don't know about rootfs? |
| 10:58.18 | jetscreamer | i didn'ttill last week |
| 10:58.22 | Danar | ? |
| 10:58.36 | jetscreamer | it's an fs, man it someday |
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| 10:58.51 | caphuso | jetscreamer: are you on crack? |
| 10:58.53 | jetscreamer | it's normal, not applicable in this instance |
| 10:58.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 10:58.56 | jetscreamer | why |
| 10:59.01 | caphuso | it sure looks like it |
| 10:59.01 | jetscreamer | you don't know about rootfs? |
| 10:59.09 | Danar | hdb2 is my root fs, there are no other references to it in /proc/mounts |
| 10:59.14 | jetscreamer | DOH |
| 10:59.18 | jetscreamer | not the same |
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| 10:59.37 | jetscreamer | ignore rootfs |
| 10:59.40 | jetscreamer | !rootfs |
| 10:59.40 | spire | I have installed mail-notify and configured it to start automatically upon gnome login. But when I login I don't see any notifyer. However a "ps aux | grep mail" shows that mail-notify IS running. Where is the frontend? |
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| 11:00.18 | Danar | so, why are we still poking around with mounts? |
| 11:00.27 | caphuso | Danar: good question |
| 11:00.40 | Danar | if i can change other permissions it shouldn't be mounts |
| 11:00.44 | jetscreamer | jesus |
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| 11:01.00 | Arjan | danar umask |
| 11:01.07 | jetscreamer | is it working properly? is the fstab proper? sheesh, why do you think... just because it's fuxored. |
| 11:01.45 | Danar | 077 |
| 11:01.48 | jetscreamer | otherwise, prepare for some grief |
| 11:01.51 | caphuso | Danar: can you summarize your exact problem again? |
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| 11:02.14 | Danar | caphuso: ok. i have some files & folders for which i can't change the permissions. they're world-writeable |
| 11:02.22 | Danar | i change them, then check, and they're unchanged |
| 11:02.33 | caphuso | Danar: any error messages? |
| 11:02.39 | Danar | i'm doing this as root, on an ext3 rw file system |
| 11:02.41 | Danar | nope |
| 11:02.53 | caphuso | Danar: not in "dmesg" output either? |
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| 11:02.57 | Danar | appears to succeed |
| 11:03.04 | Danar | er, oops. lemme check |
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| 11:03.13 | Danar | nope |
| 11:03.22 | Danar | just vid driver info |
| 11:03.35 | jetscreamer | ah... you must work for d-i |
| 11:03.41 | Danar | huh? |
| 11:03.54 | jetscreamer | you know.. debian installer |
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| 11:04.10 | Danar | why do you say that? |
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| 11:04.26 | jetscreamer | because sarge isn't ready |
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| 11:04.41 | Danar | how's that relevant? |
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| 11:05.16 | jetscreamer | :)... cmon, it can't be that hard... |
| 11:05.25 | jetscreamer | is sarge fixed? |
| 11:05.25 | Danar | o.O |
| 11:05.39 | jetscreamer | nm... fix your problem |
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| 11:05.43 | caphuso | jetscreamer: are you sure about not having had a quite big dose of crack? |
| 11:05.52 | Danar | heh |
| 11:06.11 | Danar | jetscreamer: any suggestions on how i do that? |
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| 11:07.07 | Overand | yeah i think jetscreamer is misunderstanding the issue |
| 11:07.09 | jetscreamer | well i had thought to get you to eliminate one weirdness just to see if the other weirdness would go away, and it was simple to do, but it seems to be frowned upon |
| 11:07.12 | Overand | it's not an issue during debian-installer |
| 11:07.19 | Overand | if i'm reading right |
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| 11:07.37 | jetscreamer | Overand, i was referring to troubleshooting skills |
| 11:07.38 | Overand | he's just got a currently 'running' system with what looks like permission issues, or fstab weirdness |
| 11:07.41 | caphuso | Danar: can you do a "/bin/ls -l oneofthosebuggeredfiles; chmod 777 saidfile; /bin/ls thatfileagain" and paste the whole thing into #flood? |
| 11:07.42 | Danar | jethro: what's the weirdness, and how do i fix it then? |
| 11:07.44 | tzijlstra | Hello, I want to install debian on a 400 mhz laptop, I downloaded a stable network-install CD but that only has 2.4 kernel support, should I download another? |
| 11:07.53 | Danar | er, jetscreamer |
| 11:07.54 | Overand | jetscreamer: that still doesn't explain why you started talking about debian-installer |
| 11:07.58 | Overand | and sarge issues |
| 11:08.21 | jetscreamer | Overand, debian installer isn't gold yet and danar still has his lil problem too |
| 11:08.35 | jetscreamer | nm ... |
| 11:08.46 | jetscreamer | it was funny in my crak pipe dream |
| 11:08.55 | caphuso | i knew it! |
| 11:09.00 | Danar | -rw-rw---- 1 root 1000 0 2003-12-11 00:22 filename |
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| 11:09.27 | Patad | hey folks! |
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| 11:10.04 | mycroft_ | I was wondering, where can i change Windows Manager ? |
| 11:10.18 | mycroft_ | on sarge |
| 11:10.26 | PerfDave | mycroft_: Your login manager will normally let you select. |
| 11:10.31 | Danar | install another one |
| 11:10.32 | caphuso | mycroft_: "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" or edit your ~/.xsession or whatever you use |
| 11:10.33 | zeeble | mycroft_: ~/.xinitrc or your DM |
| 11:10.35 | Danar | it'll show up there |
| 11:10.36 | Patad | has anyone had probs with dhcp3-client failing to work when upgrading to sarge |
| 11:10.36 | PerfDave | tzijlstra: No, you should read the Installation Manual. |
| 11:10.54 | tzijlstra | so the woody will update to sarge all on its own? |
| 11:11.02 | jetscreamer | umount /dev/hdb2 && chmod root:cdrom /mnt/hdb2 && nano -w /etc/fstab (rw,users,auto,exec,suid,gid=24,uid=1000,umask=000) && mount /dev/hdb2 |
| 11:11.06 | PerfDave | tzijlstra: If you want Sarge, install Sarge. |
| 11:11.44 | jetscreamer | crack!!! |
| 11:11.56 | tzijlstra | ok clear enough, I will read up on the differences, cheers PerfDave |
| 11:11.57 | Danar | umount: /: device is busy |
| 11:12.01 | SkippedySkop | crack!!? where? |
| 11:12.01 | caphuso | jetscreamer: uh, since when does ext3 have uid, gid and umask mount options? |
| 11:12.09 | caphuso | jetscreamer: can you please just shut up? |
| 11:12.30 | jetscreamer | caphuso, okie then not the vfat one... defaults,rw,users,errors=remount-ro |
| 11:12.52 | Danar | the vfat partition is fine |
| 11:13.04 | jetscreamer | i meant what i typed |
| 11:13.14 | Patad | anyone?? |
| 11:13.41 | Patad | hey jethro |
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| 11:13.50 | Patad | jethro, not long till the tull concert hehe |
| 11:13.55 | jethro | heh |
| 11:14.02 | Danar | well, any mount problems can be fixed later, i'm quite certain they're not the cause of this problem |
| 11:14.10 | caphuso | Danar: yeah |
| 11:14.23 | Danar | a mount problem would affect everything in the mount point, no? |
| 11:14.25 | Danar | it does not |
| 11:14.47 | Danar | as i said, i can change permissions on other files/folders |
| 11:14.53 | Patad | has anyone had probs with dhcp3-client failing to work when upgrading to sarge |
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| 11:15.47 | Danar | :O dpkg is gone |
| 11:16.10 | Patad | hehe |
| 11:16.30 | drac | patad, change to dhcp-client (dhclient) |
| 11:17.31 | Danar | caphuso: any ideas? |
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| 11:17.53 | jetscreamer | what is on the hd |
| 11:17.57 | jetscreamer | hdb1 |
| 11:18.00 | caphuso | Danar: i'm still waiting for the requested paste... |
| 11:18.02 | jetscreamer | what kind of stuff |
| 11:18.18 | Danar | i pasted it ages ago |
| 11:18.36 | Danar | -rw-rw---- 1 root 1000 0 2003-12-11 00:22 filename |
| 11:18.52 | jetscreamer | and do you own the mount point (aka when it's not mounted, do you own the directory) and who is 1000 |
| 11:18.56 | jetscreamer | not you eh |
| 11:19.12 | Danar | i'm trying to change permissions as root... |
| 11:19.14 | jetscreamer | what does id tell you |
| 11:19.19 | jetscreamer | i didn't ask you that |
| 11:19.28 | jetscreamer | i mean as your user |
| 11:19.29 | jetscreamer | id |
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| 11:20.02 | jetscreamer | and is mount suid |
| 11:20.16 | Danar | uid=1000(user) gid=1002(user),groups=24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),100(users),1002(user) |
| 11:20.59 | Danar | yes |
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| 11:21.04 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 11:21.06 | jetscreamer | wtf? |
| 11:21.11 | drac | user? |
| 11:21.21 | Danar | user= my username |
| 11:21.27 | drac | 1000, 1002? |
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| 11:21.28 | jetscreamer | your gid and uid is supposed to be the same |
| 11:21.30 | Danar | (not really) |
| 11:21.32 | jetscreamer | are |
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| 11:21.47 | jetscreamer | man usermod someday |
| 11:22.09 | Overand | i think 'not really' refers to his username 'not really' being user |
| 11:22.11 | Overand | he just edited it out |
| 11:22.14 | Overand | like he did with 'filename' |
| 11:22.14 | Danar | yes |
| 11:22.31 | Overand | you guys are having some communication problems |
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| 11:22.49 | jetscreamer | paranoia is good |
| 11:22.49 | Danar | it was in brackets... |
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| 11:23.16 | jetscreamer | my point is when you do those ls -lA's, you should see names, not numbers... as in 1000, 4096... |
| 11:23.27 | jetscreamer | and your uid&gid should be the dame |
| 11:23.30 | jetscreamer | same |
| 11:23.41 | caphuso | that's 50% correct |
| 11:23.42 | jetscreamer | how are you getting root? |
| 11:23.46 | TypeRite | Hi. What is the recommended approach for safely adding an entry into /etc/ld.so.conf in a package's postinst without having to worry about duplicate entries? |
| 11:24.24 | SlayerXP | TypeRite: dupes won't do any harm |
| 11:24.37 | Danar | sudo |
| 11:24.51 | jethro | TypeRite: check for existing stuff, and add only if required |
| 11:24.52 | TypeRite | SlayerXP: I'm worried about size bloat (eg: upgrades). |
| 11:24.53 | Danar | and gksu sometimes |
| 11:25.02 | TypeRite | jethro: no existing debhelper type script? |
| 11:25.09 | jethro | TypeRite: I haven't a clue |
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| 11:26.21 | jetscreamer | Danar, try it in another console, log in as root... just to check |
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| 11:27.08 | OutCast3k | does anyone know how to fix the megaraid/ megaraid2 module issue on the kernel 2.6.8 |
| 11:27.53 | valdyn | OutCast3k: which issue? |
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| 11:28.33 | jetscreamer | caphuso, because i like to emliminate any questions. |
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| 11:28.42 | OutCast3k | valdyn, i get the following when trying to boot |
| 11:29.08 | OutCast3k | valdyn, FATEL Module Megaraid2 not found. , pivot_root: No Such File Or Directory , /sbin/init: 341: connot open dev/console : no such file , Kernel Panic: attemptiong to kill init" |
| 11:29.41 | Danar | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root 1000 0 2003-12-11 00:22 filename |
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| 11:30.00 | OutCast3k | I had a similar problem when instaling debian, (it installed with the 2.4.6 kernel) and this could be fixed by basicly adding "megaraid2" to /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
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| 11:30.39 | jetscreamer | now chown it |
| 11:31.05 | OutCast3k | valdyn, but 2.6.8 seems to be effected... i've found a fair few others (googling) with the same problem |
| 11:31.37 | Danar | oops, forget that one. it's a link of sorts |
| 11:31.42 | jetscreamer | chown root:root filename |
| 11:31.58 | jetscreamer | a non-+x symlink? |
| 11:32.36 | Danar | not a symlink, just a file that points to another |
| 11:32.49 | OutCast3k | valdyn, any ideas ? :( |
| 11:32.52 | Danar | but i have a regular file here, a .jpg with no permissions... |
| 11:32.59 | jetscreamer | none? |
| 11:33.04 | Danar | o.O |
| 11:33.09 | valdyn | OutCast3k: that module does not exist in any debian 2.6 kernel |
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| 11:33.28 | Danar | lsattr default.jpg |
| 11:33.28 | Danar | ----------------- default.jpg |
| 11:33.31 | valdyn | OutCast3k: which leads me to believe that that module doesnt not exist in any 2.6 kernel |
| 11:33.31 | OutCast3k | valdyn, how do i go about correcting the problem? any pointers? |
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| 11:33.59 | valdyn | OutCast3k: So i assume you are searching for megaraid2 in 2.6 because you used that in 2.4 |
| 11:34.01 | OutCast3k | valdyn, the module does exist in the 2.4.6 module (which i had the issue with in the first place) |
| 11:34.10 | OutCast3k | valdyn, i beleive it may have been renamed or something? |
| 11:34.23 | OutCast3k | valdyn, but everything i've tried, fails.. |
| 11:34.44 | valdyn | OutCast3k: sure, same with alot of drivers in 2.6, you cant assume drivers in 2.6 are named identically to 2.4 |
| 11:34.49 | jetscreamer | does lsattr work on ext3? in the manpage it says ext2, but i guess it should |
| 11:35.03 | Danar | well, konq says it has no permissions too |
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| 11:35.24 | jetscreamer | which one is the console |
| 11:35.29 | jetscreamer | not konsole |
| 11:35.42 | OutCast3k | valdyn, oh well :( im gonna have to keep looking... |
| 11:35.48 | OutCast3k | valdyn, thanks anyway |
| 11:35.48 | jetscreamer | lets choose tty5 |
| 11:35.55 | jetscreamer | ctrl+alt+f5 |
| 11:35.58 | valdyn | OutCast3k: im looking , maybe i can find the driver, is the hardware called "Megaraid 2" ? |
| 11:36.35 | Danar | wait, it has permissions, i just can't change them |
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| 11:36.53 | jetscreamer | on tty5 logged in as root you can't? |
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| 11:37.12 | dave_22 | hi |
| 11:37.20 | valdyn | OutCast3k: let me know what your hardware is called. In any case, apt-get install <some hw detection tool> ( for example discover ), may just fix your issue the easiest way |
| 11:37.38 | OutCast3k | valdyn, the module is named "megaraid2" i beleive. the module needed by the hardware |
| 11:37.43 | OutCast3k | oks |
| 11:37.51 | jetscreamer | apt-get install discover hotplug is the d-i way |
| 11:37.59 | valdyn | OutCast3k: that module is only named megaraid2 in kernel 2.4, that doesnt help me |
| 11:38.04 | Danar | hrm, not letting me past from tty5 |
| 11:38.07 | Danar | *paste |
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| 11:38.25 | jetscreamer | but it didn't work |
| 11:38.33 | OutCast3k | valdyn, i maybe wrong. but i beleive it might have been renamed to "megaraid" in 2.6 |
| 11:38.45 | dave_22 | i have problem for building kernel_image :/ |
| 11:38.47 | valdyn | OutCast3k: sure, thats possible |
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| 11:38.53 | dave_22 | 2.6.11.2 |
| 11:39.34 | Danar | actually, it is working from tty5 |
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| 11:39.43 | dave_22 | install: *** `debian/changelog': no such file or directory |
| 11:39.43 | Danar | but then, why can't i change them from here? |
| 11:39.54 | jetscreamer | thank you, applause and apologies please, caphuso |
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| 11:40.22 | Danar | heh |
| 11:40.27 | caphuso | apologies because you're remounting an ext3 root filesystem with vfat mount options worked out so well? |
| 11:40.35 | caphuso | s/you're/your/ |
| 11:40.35 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. should I be able to specify multiple listenaddress lines in the sshd_config? the manual page says yes but I can't seen to get sshd to listen on both an ipv4 and an ipv6 address. :/ using sarge atm |
| 11:40.46 | jetscreamer | caphuso, no actually i don't think s/he did that |
| 11:40.54 | Danar | he |
| 11:41.07 | OutCast3k | valdyn, http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2005/02/msg00217.html something i found that might help a bit more (seems to be the same problem) |
| 11:41.09 | jetscreamer | it's a kde/uid/gid problem |
| 11:41.23 | Danar | weirdness |
| 11:41.30 | OutCast3k | valdyn, *help* explain to you my problem... it still doesnt list a fix :( |
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| 11:42.02 | necrite | hi all |
| 11:42.05 | OutCast3k | valdyn, have pretty much exactly the same setup. |
| 11:42.08 | valdyn | OutCast3k: try the megaraid module |
| 11:42.31 | jetscreamer | me, i'd man usermod and change the gid to 1000 of my user, chown the unmounted mount point, and fix the fstab |
| 11:42.39 | caphuso | jetscreamer: and that explains why ls is showing gids instead of names? |
| 11:42.43 | valdyn | OutCast3k: if that doesnt work you _may_ have to compile your own kernel, since the 2 different megaraid drivers in 2.6 seem to be mutually exclusive |
| 11:42.55 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 11:42.59 | caphuso | jetscreamer: how? |
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| 11:43.09 | valdyn | OutCast3k: LSI Logic New Generation RAID Device Drivers vs LSI Logic Legacy MegaRAID Driver |
| 11:43.19 | jetscreamer | there is no user 1000, or group 4096 |
| 11:43.34 | caphuso | jetscreamer: because of KDE? |
| 11:43.43 | caphuso | hell... |
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| 11:44.12 | OutCast3k | valdyn, i've tried the "megaraid" module. am i correct in thinking i need to build a new a new initrd image after i'v added it to the "/etc/mkinitrd/modules" |
| 11:44.16 | jetscreamer | no, but sudo,gksu and whatever still use the ... (set? env vars?) of the user |
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| 11:44.44 | necrite | nagios question :) i am seting up my nagios..can i set one generic_service template and one template called pop3 who have generic_service included? |
| 11:44.53 | valdyn | OutCast3k: if that module worked, only if its not in your current initrd |
| 11:44.58 | caphuso | jetscreamer: and because of that the inodes in the filesystem change magically? |
| 11:45.10 | valdyn | OutCast3k: i would assume that it is in debian initrds, but i cannt see that atm |
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| 11:45.20 | jetscreamer | inodes? you think he always pasted the same file? |
| 11:45.32 | jetscreamer | err ls of ... |
| 11:45.38 | Danar | there is a user 1000 |
| 11:45.50 | Danar | but no group 4096 |
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| 11:45.59 | caphuso | jetscreamer: where do you think does the 4096 come from? |
| 11:46.03 | jetscreamer | lets pretend uid==danar |
| 11:46.12 | valdyn | OutCast3k: furthermore, it looks to me like you do not need that driver to boot your system, so just add it to /etc/modules and dont bother "fixing" an initrd |
| 11:46.17 | jetscreamer | err uid1000==danar |
| 11:46.22 | OutCast3k | valdyn, i've read some bugs about it and needing to be rebuilt.. but i would also asume that because i'd need to build it from the kernel 2.4.6 it would build an initrd image for that kernel... am i incorrect in thinking that? |
| 11:46.45 | valdyn | OutCast3k: you cant mix kernels |
| 11:46.46 | jetscreamer | ls doens't seem to thnk theres a uid 1000 |
| 11:46.46 | Danar | possibly a user/group i removed in the past |
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| 11:47.26 | valdyn | OutCast3k: is your device detected when doing modprobe megaraid? |
| 11:47.32 | jetscreamer | caphuso, i think i love you |
| 11:47.36 | Rydekull | http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ |
| 11:47.44 | UglyP | hi everyone, i have a question (newbie alert) when i was installing debian i only opted to choose 2 screen resolutions to use, however now I would like to add some more. Is there a command or a file i can edit to get this sorted out? any help on the matter would be appreciated! |
| 11:47.46 | caphuso | jetscreamer: cool, that makes two of us |
| 11:47.47 | OutCast3k | valdyn, so how can i build a initrd image for a 2.6.8 kernel from a 2.4.6 (sorry to be a pain but i've been looking everywere with no luck - and thanks for the help so far) |
| 11:48.03 | Danar | lol |
| 11:48.06 | valdyn | OutCast3k: do you need megaraid to boot your system? |
| 11:48.13 | OutCast3k | valdyn, yes |
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| 11:48.26 | valdyn | !initrd |
| 11:48.43 | necrite | UglyP, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 can help u |
| 11:48.44 | valdyn | OutCast3k: look at the faq, i have no idea, never made any initrd |
| 11:48.50 | ambycrao | how do i give persmission to a user to make changes in /usr/share/eggdrop/scrips ? |
| 11:48.51 | valdyn | !faq OutCast3k |
| 11:48.52 | UglyP | thats very much :D |
| 11:49.04 | OutCast3k | !faq |
| 11:49.12 | valdyn | OutCast3k: look a the topic, dpkg bot seems to be dead |
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| 11:49.34 | OutCast3k | valdyn, oks np, thank you for your help. |
| 11:49.35 | PerfDave | @faq |
| 11:49.37 | ravenbird | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 11:51.05 | valdyn | OutCast3k: keep in mind you cant mix kernels, so "building a 2.6.8 initrd from 2.4.6" makes no sense at all |
| 11:51.44 | necrite | UglyP, np |
| 11:51.48 | OutCast3k | valdyn, yeh i thought so... but surely there must be a way to build a 2.6.8 initrd from 2.4.6... or am i wrong :\ |
| 11:52.00 | Danar | groups as [danar] gives [danar] cdrom floppy audio video users |
| 11:52.04 | valdyn | OutCast3k: you're wrong |
| 11:52.06 | Overand | OutCast3k: as far as *i* know you're wrong |
| 11:52.10 | jingo | heh... i was just about to ask if anyone got a hint why on sarge php+mysql would stop to play nicely after updating. but now all seems to work... wonder what changed in the last 2 days... :/ |
| 11:52.19 | valdyn | OutCast3k: are you really using a 2.4.6 kernel? thats older than woody |
| 11:52.24 | Overand | jingo: apache restart? |
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| 11:52.26 | jetscreamer | Danar, mine is a single user box, and any mounted partition i can chown -R root:cdrom or me:cdrom and not have to worry about other users. if you are like that, i'd tell you to fix your gid/uid on your user, chown the mount point, then chown the entire mounted partition |
| 11:52.40 | valdyn | OutCast3k: from year 2k - 2001 would be my guess |
| 11:52.43 | jetscreamer | and fix the fstab |
| 11:52.48 | EvanCarroll | ambycrao: there are a few ways to accomplish that |
| 11:52.49 | caphuso | jetscreamer: WHAT? |
| 11:52.54 | OutCast3k | valdyn, i used a debian net install cd... just as a basic install... then i was planning to upgrade |
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| 11:52.55 | Danar | i think i did fix the gid |
| 11:53.00 | jetscreamer | caphuso, yeah |
| 11:53.05 | jingo | cool, even the wordpress update to 1.5.0 worked :) |
| 11:53.06 | Danar | which mount point are you referring to? |
| 11:53.06 | caphuso | jetscreamer: you want him to run "chown -R root:cdrom" on /? |
| 11:53.13 | jetscreamer | caphuso, no |
| 11:53.17 | jetscreamer | /mnt/hdb2 |
| 11:53.19 | necrite | no one can helpme with nagios? |
| 11:53.30 | valdyn | OutCast3k: no netinstall provides 2.4.6 |
| 11:53.33 | Danar | chown it to root or user? |
| 11:53.35 | spo0nman | necrite: ask |
| 11:53.35 | jetscreamer | mounted partiton... i didn't mean / |
| 11:53.35 | caphuso | jetscreamer: that _is_ his / |
| 11:53.36 | EvanCarroll | ambycrao: do you want to give permission to all users? users of a special group? just one user? |
| 11:53.43 | necrite | spo0nman, nagios question :) i am seting up my nagios..can i set one generic_service template and one template called pop3 who have generic_service included? |
| 11:53.45 | Putiikki | how to set LANG variable? |
| 11:53.47 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 11:53.53 | Danar | what caphuso said |
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| 11:54.00 | jetscreamer | caphuso, his / is on /mnt/hdb2? |
| 11:54.03 | Danar | yes |
| 11:54.07 | valdyn | OutCast3k: try this installer: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, if you do not want to run woody |
| 11:54.08 | jingo | Overand: it seemed to be a php update problem, it said it can't work with mysql or somthing. actually i remember changing some stuff in some php.ini, but with no effort |
| 11:54.09 | Danar | i said that a few times now |
| 11:54.11 | necrite | spo0nman, i ask 30 lines up :) |
| 11:54.19 | caphuso | jetscreamer: he pasted that at least three times |
| 11:54.19 | jetscreamer | how the fuck can / be mounted on /mnt |
| 11:54.20 | Danar | er |
| 11:54.20 | Danar | no |
| 11:54.24 | spo0nman | necrite: what does that mean? you want a servicegroup in a servicegroup? |
| 11:54.27 | jingo | anyway |
| 11:54.28 | spo0nman | let me scroll up |
| 11:54.32 | Danar | not on /mnt/hdb2, but /dev/hdb2 |
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| 11:54.44 | jetscreamer | oh. ok nm. |
| 11:54.46 | necrite | spo0nman, yes.. |
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| 11:55.03 | Patad | help huge errors |
| 11:55.05 | OutCast3k | valdyn, sorry i should of said earler i guess, its using debain sarge... from that site... im sure it has the 2.4.6 kernel installed (maybe i wrote that down wrong) :S |
| 11:55.11 | Danar | ok, so... |
| 11:55.14 | jetscreamer | wrong |
| 11:55.20 | jetscreamer | worng worng worng |
| 11:55.22 | valdyn | OutCast3k: 2.4.26 would be that |
| 11:55.29 | valdyn | OutCast3k: _not_ 2.4.6 |
| 11:55.31 | Danar | ? |
| 11:55.35 | ambycrao | EvanCarroll, only to one user |
| 11:55.36 | Patad | end_request: I/O error, dev 16:01 (hdc) |
| 11:55.39 | OutCast3k | valdyn, sorry... *blush* |
| 11:55.40 | Patad | whats that about? |
| 11:55.42 | Danar | anyone else getting spammed? |
| 11:55.47 | spo0nman | necrite: not possible in default nagios. you cna however write a plugin that makes nagios belive the data is coming for a plugin which shows data in a format to your taste. get me? |
| 11:55.53 | daww | How do I update my network after I have edit /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:56.00 | caphuso | Patad: what kind of device is that? |
| 11:56.03 | jetscreamer | paste thefstab |
| 11:56.09 | jetscreamer | lines again |
| 11:56.11 | Patad | caphuso, hdd |
| 11:56.13 | Danar | whole thing? |
| 11:56.13 | EvanCarroll | ambycrao: Then you will have to change the files ownership to that user, and chmod it to the apropriate setting |
| 11:56.19 | valdyn | daww: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:56.20 | caphuso | Patad: that's bad |
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| 11:56.31 | caphuso | Patad: check smart status with smartctl |
| 11:56.43 | Patad | caphuso, its updating packages for sarge |
| 11:56.52 | daww | valdyn, thank you |
| 11:56.52 | jetscreamer | whole thing in #flood |
| 11:56.58 | necrite | spo0nman, oks.. tks |
| 11:56.59 | caphuso | Patad: and...? |
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| 11:57.08 | jetscreamer | applicable line(s) here, but take out the line breaks |
| 11:57.14 | OutCast3k | valdyn, Debian system, you'll be given the opportunity to choose whether you want to install a 2.4 kernel ("hit Enter") or a 2.6 kernel ("type linux26 and hit Enter"). (If you didn't read the very first prompt that you got when you put the CD in, you lose.) ( on: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallLinux26?action=highlight&value=initrd) im gonna try that... lol i missed that :| |
| 11:57.20 | EvanCarroll | ambycrao: so like 'chown -r /usr/share/eggdrop/scripts/; chmod -r 700 /usr/share/eggdrop/scripts/;' |
| 11:57.26 | EvanCarroll | err |
| 11:57.27 | M23 | thought I'd pose this question to this room. does anyone know where that weird law / agreement came from that states that all PC's purchased must be supplied with an operation system? Is it a law? |
| 11:57.33 | scapor | Hi! I downloaded the cupid source code and want to compile it. I do "./configure" but I get following error: "checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" Do I miss a package? |
| 11:57.39 | caphuso | scapor: apt-get install build-essential |
| 11:57.48 | Danar | /dev/hdb2 / ext3 defaults 0 1 and /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0 |
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| 11:57.54 | scapor | caphuso: thanks |
| 11:57.56 | EvanCarroll | ambycrao: so like 'chown -r /usr/share/eggdrop/scripts/ useryouwanttoeditfile; chmod -r 500 /usr/share/eggdrop/scripts/;' |
| 11:57.58 | jetscreamer | danar yeah |
| 11:58.00 | Patad | i dunno why its doing this |
| 11:58.05 | OutCast3k | valdyn, thanks loads! for your help... i'll be back soon ;) |
| 11:58.11 | Patad | valdyn, hey mate |
| 11:58.20 | ambycrao | ty |
| 11:58.21 | Danar | M23: i'd hope not... |
| 11:58.49 | Danar | i can see if you intend to but one with an OS, but if you want one without, that's another story |
| 11:58.51 | jetscreamer | is this legal? /dev/hdb2 / ext3 defaults 0 1 /dev/hdb2 /mnt/hdb2 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0 i know about mount --bind, does this do the same? |
| 11:59.10 | caphuso | jetscreamer: what the fuck are you trying to get him to do now? |
| 11:59.28 | jetscreamer | how many times can you mount one device |
| 11:59.40 | Danar | should be as many times as you want |
| 11:59.44 | caphuso | once |
| 11:59.55 | Danar | with different mount points... |
| 11:59.59 | caphuso | once |
| 12:00.00 | jetscreamer | there is mount --bind, which lets you do >1 |
| 12:00.10 | EvanCarroll | ambycrao: replace 500 with the command string you want 700 will be read/write/execute for that user, 100 will read only 200 is write only 300 is read and write, 400 is execute, 500 is execute write, 600 is execute read, 700 is execute read and write for that user |
| 12:00.12 | caphuso | mount --bind doesn't work on devices |
| 12:00.17 | jetscreamer | but i dunno if fstab behavior is the same.. ah ok |
| 12:00.25 | Danar | hdb2 = /, and also /mnt/hdb2 |
| 12:00.45 | jetscreamer | caphuso, so wtf do you think i'm trying to get him to do |
| 12:00.49 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:00.51 | caphuso | jetscreamer: i really don't know |
| 12:00.53 | jetscreamer | remove the weirdness |
| 12:01.01 | EvanCarroll | auctually 500 is execute read, 600 is execute write, |
| 12:01.05 | jetscreamer | then see if it works |
| 12:01.08 | Danar | the /mnt/hdb2 isn't actually mounted though |
| 12:01.11 | Patad | can anyone tell me why im getting I/O errors on hdc when updating woody to sarge thru apt-get -f blah blah |
| 12:01.15 | Danar | oughtta just remove it |
| 12:01.29 | caphuso | Patad: most likely because your disk is damaged |
| 12:01.35 | EvanCarroll | fsck it |
| 12:01.38 | caphuso | Patad: which is why i told you to check its smart status |
| 12:01.41 | Patad | caphuso, im not using the disk for anything |
| 12:01.42 | caphuso | Patad: which you refused |
| 12:01.50 | Patad | caphuso, its in the middle of something |
| 12:01.56 | caphuso | Patad: so fucking what? |
| 12:02.09 | Patad | ok how do i do it then |
| 12:02.30 | EvanCarroll | apt-get install smartd |
| 12:02.32 | caphuso | still with smartctl |
| 12:02.34 | Rydekull | Patad: hey, suggestion, listen to caphuso. It wont be able to write to the disk if its damaged, so interrupt whatever and check it's smart status |
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| 12:02.46 | EvanCarroll | or rather smartmontools |
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| 12:03.39 | Danar | k, /mnt/hdb2 is gone |
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| 12:05.27 | jetscreamer | alrighty then, that line being in fstab 'may' have been messing with kde's version of automount(whatever it's caled) |
| 12:05.48 | Danar | jetscreamer: wanting to remove 'weirdness' is a good quality. fixes unforseen bugs, etc., but i was right about it not being the cause of the permission thing |
| 12:05.53 | jetscreamer | gnomevfs type thingy |
| 12:05.59 | caphuso | kde doesn't "automount" / |
| 12:06.09 | jetscreamer | wtf do you call it then |
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| 12:06.39 | Danar | seems to be some problem with kde/konq |
| 12:06.51 | caphuso | maybe. maybe not |
| 12:07.03 | caphuso | since i'm still waiting for some god damn paste of yours i can't tell for sure |
| 12:07.08 | Danar | well konq won't alter the permissions |
| 12:07.15 | Danar | caphuso: what paste? |
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| 12:07.27 | Danar | i've pasted everything i've seen you ask for... |
| 12:07.30 | jetscreamer | wtf do you call kde's implementation of mounting unmounted partitions that are in fstab on the fly? |
| 12:07.47 | caphuso | 12:07 caphuso> Danar: can you do a "/bin/ls -l oneofthosebuggeredfiles; chmod 777 saidfile; /bin/ls thatfileagain" and paste the whole thing into #flood? |
| 12:07.48 | jetscreamer | i call it automount, i'm sure they have their own name |
| 12:07.57 | caphuso | exactly an hour ago |
| 12:08.04 | Danar | caphuso: as i said before, i pasted it in here |
| 12:08.05 | Danar | twice |
| 12:08.08 | caphuso | Danar: no, you didn't |
| 12:08.14 | jetscreamer | caphuso, it works on tty5 as root, not in a konsole |
| 12:08.18 | caphuso | jetscreamer: i know |
| 12:08.27 | Danar | it was one line |
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| 12:08.37 | caphuso | Danar: see, that can't be possibly right |
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| 12:08.40 | Danar | not counted the repetition of the file name on the 2nd line |
| 12:08.44 | Danar | *cointing |
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| 12:08.52 | caphuso | Danar: the output of those threee commands needs at the very least 5 lines |
| 12:08.53 | Danar | *counting, damnit |
| 12:09.18 | jetscreamer | also, i had a problem with a directory reread when i sudo'd xfe... always gets updated when normally logged in, but sudo fuxored the automatic update in the browser |
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| 12:09.41 | caphuso | first line "/bin/ls ...", second line output of that ls, third line chmod, fourth line the second ls, fifth line output of that second ls |
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| 12:10.04 | Danar | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 1000 127923 2003-12-11 00:22 default.jpg |
| 12:10.04 | Danar | default.jpg |
| 12:10.12 | caphuso | again, wrong |
| 12:10.15 | Danar | that's the output i get |
| 12:10.47 | caphuso | you should probably continue talking to jetscreamer, maybe your confusions will cancel each other out eventually |
| 12:10.50 | jetscreamer | e want's the commands and everything, including line breaks, in #flood |
| 12:10.56 | Rydekull | caphuso: haha |
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| 12:11.13 | jetscreamer | i'm not confused, i'd have the damn thing fixed already if it was in front of me |
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| 12:11.26 | Danar | well, there's only those two lines, so there's no need for flood |
| 12:11.35 | caphuso | Danar: dumbass |
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| 12:12.13 | joaopaulo | how care about video suspend on kernel ? |
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| 12:12.21 | Rydekull | Danar: the question isnt what it is need for, he offers to help you and need that info, if you want it fixed(hopefully) i'd suggest you do as he say :) |
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| 12:12.51 | Danar | that is all the output i am getting. how many more times to i need to say it before you understand? |
| 12:13.07 | Rydekull | Danar: 13:11:07 < jetscreamer> e want's the commands and everything, including line breaks, in #flood |
| 12:13.26 | jetscreamer | ok wants |
| 12:13.36 | Rydekull | Danar: how many times do we need to say that? |
| 12:13.52 | daww | Will both the Debian CD and a mirror be used if I add them in /etc/apt/sources.list or just the CD? |
| 12:14.06 | helix | why would you do that? |
| 12:14.22 | caphuso | Danar: alright, that's better |
| 12:14.29 | Danar | i don't see how |
| 12:14.33 | daww | helix, was that to me? |
| 12:14.37 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.38 | EvanCarroll | daww: yes |
| 12:14.39 | caphuso | Danar: because now i know what commands you really ran |
| 12:14.40 | helix | yes |
| 12:14.45 | Danar | the ones you told me to |
| 12:15.04 | EvanCarroll | daww: they will both be used but it will be pointless, because any current mirror should have more up to date resources than a cd. |
| 12:15.23 | jetscreamer | daww, both if you use the file:/// |
| 12:15.31 | caphuso | Danar: and if you do the whole thing directly logged in as root on tty5 it looks different? |
| 12:15.45 | EvanCarroll | daww: so eg, the cd will have version 4.0 the mirror 4.08 and the cd won't ever be touched, only your computer will time index its archive |
| 12:15.53 | jetscreamer | file:///cdrom that is, and it's mounted |
| 12:16.03 | EvanCarroll | will waste* |
| 12:16.04 | OutCast3k | valdyn, argghhhhh! now when trying to install using what the faq recommended i get: "Warning No Partitionable media were found. Please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine" :( |
| 12:16.11 | jetscreamer | log out of kde log back in and i bet it works right |
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| 12:16.18 | daww | EvanCarr1ll, Do you only use mirror? It take hours to download Desktop enviroment if you have a slow connection |
| 12:16.22 | jetscreamer | now that the line if fstab is gone |
| 12:16.25 | BleSS | exists some utility to do an installation automated for any program? |
| 12:16.40 | PerfDave | The best way to install Debian IMHO is to use the first full CD, install from CD and set up X etc., then apt-setup network sources and dist-upgrade at your leisure. |
| 12:16.45 | Danar | i can't paste across ttys |
| 12:16.46 | Danar | :( |
| 12:17.07 | EvanCarroll | daww: in that case i would use the cd, but i try to stay mirror only, newer stuff, security fixes =/ etc |
| 12:17.11 | PerfDave | Danar: Use screen to copy text and paste to a file on one TTY, and read from that file and paste on the other? |
| 12:17.17 | jetscreamer | man i d/l'd a full sid cd to go with a fresh d-i install.. it was AST omg |
| 12:17.21 | caphuso | Danar: which is why i asked you a "yes-or-no" question... |
| 12:17.21 | jetscreamer | err FAST |
| 12:17.51 | daww | EvanCarr1ll, I just need a fast installation, then I can use the mirror |
| 12:18.10 | EvanCarroll | Danar: learn screen =D |
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| 12:18.28 | Danar | EvanCarroll: ? |
| 12:18.46 | jetscreamer | i still say it's fixed if you log out.. he said man screen |
| 12:18.46 | EvanCarroll | Danar: open two virtual consoles, and you can paste across them |
| 12:18.48 | EvanCarroll | danar, apt-get install screen |
| 12:18.50 | jetscreamer | apt-get install screen && man screen |
| 12:18.51 | Danar | caphuso: erm, i don't see it (the yes or no question) |
| 12:19.09 | caphuso | Danar: 13:15 caphuso> Danar: and if you do the whole thing directly logged in as root on tty5 it looks different? |
| 12:19.12 | Rydekull | Danar: 13:15:47 < caphuso> Danar: and if you do the whole thing directly logged in as root on tty5 it looks different? |
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| 12:19.25 | daww | EvanCarr1ll, How can I via mirror update desktop enviroment etc after I have used the cd? |
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| 12:20.25 | Danar | bah, forget it. the only difference is -rwxrwxrwx |
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| 12:20.50 | Danar | instead of -rw-r--r-- |
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| 12:21.17 | Danar | same two lines of output though |
| 12:21.25 | daww | How can I update the Desktop Enviroment? |
| 12:21.35 | Araldit | Anyone gotten anjuta IDE to work.. It always gives me an error when starting a new project.. |
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| 12:22.24 | joaopaulo | where can i found .config from woody stable kernel configuration ? |
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| 12:22.37 | caphuso | joaopaulo: /boot/config-* |
| 12:22.51 | bboett | hello! stupid problem... how can i type a ligatured oe with a german keyboard?? |
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| 12:23.13 | nagual | ö? |
| 12:23.18 | joaopaulo | caphuso, i was looking for that for a long time on google, tks v mutch |
| 12:23.20 | Danar | caphuso: so, yes. it looks different, but not by much. the permissions are changed, that's all |
| 12:23.23 | bboett | nope that o -diaresis.... |
| 12:23.29 | PerfDave | bboett: You might want to ask #debian-de |
| 12:23.31 | caphuso | bboett: compose key, o, e |
| 12:23.42 | bboett | :d ok ah lets try that one |
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| 12:25.02 | caphuso | Danar: and the permissions don't change when you use sudo in a x terminal emulator inside KDE, right? |
| 12:25.08 | Danar | right |
| 12:25.27 | Danar | or with konqueror |
| 12:25.41 | Gnea | hi, could someone please look at this: http://www.pastebin.com/253185 and tell me what I should be adding? |
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| 12:26.24 | caphuso | Danar: that's very weird |
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| 12:26.58 | Danar | hrm |
| 12:27.06 | Danar | now sudo in konsole is saying chmod: changing permissions of `default.jpg': Operation not permitted |
| 12:27.07 | mornfall|work | errm... anyone observing slapd taking 50-90% cpu while idle? |
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| 12:27.08 | Space_NL | hmm, is there a debian package for skype ? |
| 12:27.35 | helix | Space_NL: no and there doesn't really need to be one since it's just a precompiled binary |
| 12:27.46 | mornfall|work | Danar: filesystem not supporting posix permissions? either that or maybe selinux? |
| 12:27.47 | Danar | i think there is |
| 12:27.47 | helix | it's non-free anyway |
| 12:27.56 | helix | it's certainly not in debian |
| 12:28.04 | Danar | it's ext3 |
| 12:28.18 | mornfall|work | Danar: 100% sure? |
| 12:28.21 | Danar | yeh |
| 12:28.26 | Danar | might be selinux... |
| 12:28.26 | mornfall|work | read/write? |
| 12:28.27 | Space_NL | helix: thnx |
| 12:28.29 | Danar | yes |
| 12:28.44 | caphuso | Danar: you're using selinux? |
| 12:28.46 | mornfall|work | probably selinux then, not my area of expertise however |
| 12:28.49 | Danar | mount says /dev/hdb2 on / type ext3 (rw) |
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| 12:29.05 | mornfall|work | Danar: cat /proc/mounts, mtab may say whatever |
| 12:29.09 | Danar | well, i installed selinux i believe, and forgot about it :/ |
| 12:29.13 | helix | you don't know whether you're using selinux?! |
| 12:29.16 | pngwn | geezus |
| 12:29.21 | mornfall|work | wee |
| 12:29.36 | helix | I don't think using selinux is as trivial as "installing" it |
| 12:29.40 | mornfall|work | anyway, what about this: #0 0xb7d05cde in pthread_join () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 |
| 12:29.48 | Space_NL | helix: hmm, just browsed skypes website .. and the do offer a .deb .. too bad debian doenst offer it by apt then :( |
| 12:29.51 | mornfall|work | slapd hanging in there like mad |
| 12:29.56 | helix | Space_NL: it's non-free. |
| 12:29.57 | Danar | nope, not installed |
| 12:30.02 | mornfall|work | Space_NL: ............................................... |
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| 12:30.05 | helix | Danar: selinux isn't a package |
| 12:30.05 | Danar | though i do have selinux libraries installed... :/ |
| 12:30.05 | brosio | cpu-frequency scaling works with amd64 not mobile version ? |
| 12:30.22 | Space_NL | helix: skype itself is free, but i guess u mean its not GNU orso ? |
| 12:30.30 | mornfall|work | Space_NL: wtf? |
| 12:30.39 | mornfall|work | Space_NL: skype is not free in a slightest way |
| 12:30.50 | helix | Space_NL: it doesn't cost money; that doesn't make it "free" |
| 12:30.52 | mornfall|work | Space_NL: this is #debian not #beer |
| 12:31.11 | Danar | i have selinux shared libraries installed |
| 12:31.14 | helix | mornfall|work: well, a lot of people don't understand the concept of freedom, and english unfortunate in this way... |
| 12:31.15 | mornfall|work | Danar: no matter |
| 12:31.25 | helix | english is, rather |
| 12:31.43 | helix | !dfsg |
| 12:31.47 | helix | @dfsg |
| 12:31.49 | ravenbird | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free |
| 12:31.55 | helix | Space_NL: read that ^ |
| 12:32.32 | Space_NL | helix: thnx |
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| 12:33.26 | Space_NL | helix: if you read it in dutch it makes sense .. good thing we have a better language and have 2 separate words for it .. |
| 12:33.37 | mornfall|work | stupid thing |
| 12:33.38 | helix | Space_NL: yeah, it's like that in a lot of languages :) |
| 12:33.43 | helix | just not english... |
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| 12:33.49 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 12:34.03 | Space_NL | helix: yeah .. |
| 12:34.17 | Space_NL | hmm, proftpd isnt working .. *goes off to kick server* |
| 12:34.18 | jetscreamer | now you see how i was able to tie d-i in |
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| 12:36.39 | tapia | hi |
| 12:36.45 | tapia | is there any chance to use nptl with ubuntu or debian? |
| 12:37.05 | Space_NL | oke .. so i started proftpd .. returns me no errors .. but i cant ftp to the machine .. the client sais the control connection gets closed .. what could be wrong ? (the config worked on my other debian machine) |
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| 12:37.35 | Danar | Space_NL: have the necessary ports open on firewall/nat/routers? |
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| 12:38.24 | Space_NL | Danar: internal network .. the machine itself runs no iptable so far (unless they come standard ?) |
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| 12:39.22 | mornfall|work | stupid piece of software (together with bdb...) |
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| 12:39.47 | Danar | what about your router then? |
| 12:39.56 | Danar | is your router set to forward the connection? |
| 12:40.21 | mornfall|work | i think he means that he's running the ftp over internal network, Danar |
| 12:40.24 | Space_NL | Danar: my router is between me and the internet .. but in my local network is both workstation as the debian server i am trying to connect to .. |
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| 12:40.28 | Space_NL | so no router involved. |
| 12:40.43 | Danar | k |
| 12:41.13 | Danar | i believe ftp needs ports 21 & 22, right? |
| 12:41.23 | Danar | one's the control port, the other is the data |
| 12:41.27 | Danar | you need both |
| 12:42.03 | jetscreamer | 22 is ssh iirc |
| 12:42.04 | Danar | check for interference for both ports on both ends |
| 12:42.08 | Space_NL | both are tcp open on the iptables script (which i also just ran to check if that wasnt the problem) |
| 12:42.13 | Danar | er, 22 & 23 then |
| 12:42.22 | Danar | what about udp? |
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| 12:44.05 | Danar | ftp uses udp i think |
| 12:44.05 | Space_NL | udp is not specified open .. but it is not specified open on my server either .. but that one is working (internal aswell as internet) |
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| 12:44.05 | drac | Danar: ftp-data, tcp 20, and ftp, tcp 21 |
| 12:44.05 | Danar | bah, i've forgotten most of this stuff :( |
| 12:44.06 | Danar | iana says it can be either |
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| 12:44.36 | Space_NL | 20 and 21 are open .. |
| 12:44.49 | Space_NL | do think it fails to bind the port on the debian machine itself .. |
| 12:44.58 | Danar | 20 tcp/udp is ftp-data, 21 is control |
| 12:45.02 | t31 | im preparing a partition for debian, what do u advice me, woody or sarge? |
| 12:45.09 | Danar | it says the control port, so look at port 21 |
| 12:45.16 | Danar | both tcp & udp on both ends |
| 12:45.24 | Space_NL | but where can i check if something else has binded that port on my debian machine ? |
| 12:45.34 | Danar | netstat? |
| 12:46.06 | gahan | can i use IP from different C classes on one box with one netcard?? |
| 12:46.23 | Space_NL | thnx |
| 12:46.27 | ftroop | thanks |
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| 12:47.48 | Danar | multiple IPs on one nic? |
| 12:49.20 | ICU | gahan: either your switch supports vlan trunks (apt-get install vlan) or all claas c networks are available on the same switchport |
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| 13:00.01 | mornfall|work | gnaaah i should have never started to mess with ldap |
| 13:00.12 | Gumby | *gasp* where did dpkg go? |
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| 13:01.55 | Danar | dpkg left a while ago |
| 13:02.00 | bob2 | apt: test |
| 13:02.03 | apt | Test Passed! |
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| 13:03.20 | jetscreamer | i take it you didn't log out like i asked |
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| 13:05.12 | jetscreamer | and that it still doesn't work |
| 13:05.56 | bob2 | Danar: sudo ip address add 192.1.1.1 dev eth1 |
| 13:06.00 | bob2 | Danar: sudo ip address add 192.1.1.2 dev eth1 |
| 13:06.01 | bob2 | etc |
| 13:06.24 | Danar | jetscreamer: me? i didn't see it... |
| 13:06.25 | Sjimmie | apt: update |
| 13:06.26 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, update is dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 13:06.50 | Sjimmie | apt: rpm? |
| 13:06.51 | apt | Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/ |
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| 13:07.07 | Sjimmie | does apt-get usage RPM ? |
| 13:07.19 | jetscreamer | alien |
| 13:07.23 | jetscreamer | !info alien |
| 13:07.27 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:07.27 | Danar | jetscreamer: just scrolled back, i don't see where you asked anyone to log out... |
| 13:07.32 | jetscreamer | ~info alien |
| 13:07.48 | jetscreamer | danar, probably past your buffer... is mine |
| 13:08.01 | Danar | was it me you wanted to log out? |
| 13:08.06 | jetscreamer | Danar, might help, might not.. but yeah |
| 13:08.10 | BadMan | hey bob2.. has this guy beent aken care of? [JZCMfo] PM spamming |
| 13:08.11 | Danar | alrite |
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| 13:09.01 | bob2 | apparently |
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| 13:09.16 | Space_NL | [13:19] <jetscreamer> i still say it's fixed if you log out.. he said man screen |
| 13:09.19 | BadMan | kewl |
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| 13:09.25 | Space_NL | [13:16] <jetscreamer> log out of kde log back in and i bet it works right |
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| 13:09.59 | jetscreamer | oh btw mount and umount have a tendency to not be set suid with a d-i install |
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| 13:10.15 | Danar | mine is, remember? |
| 13:10.17 | jetscreamer | and some others |
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| 13:10.47 | jetscreamer | time to go :/ workie workie |
| 13:11.03 | solomon1 | ot, anyone know of a handy app to split cdrdao-created .bin/.toc's into multiple flac's? |
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| 13:11.12 | solomon1 | or at least into wav's for flac encoding |
| 13:11.29 | jetscreamer | it would be apt-gettable via marillat |
| 13:11.30 | Danar | jetscreamer: hrm, logged in again, but still doesn't work |
| 13:11.34 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 13:11.38 | Danar | in konqueror anyway |
| 13:11.43 | bob2 | solomon1: bchunk will do it to a .iso |
| 13:11.44 | bob2 | I think |
| 13:11.50 | bob2 | which you can copy files out of |
| 13:12.31 | Danar | chmod go-w default.jpg |
| 13:12.32 | Danar | chmod: changing permissions of `default.jpg': Operation not permitted |
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| 13:13.52 | ircdevil | ! |
| 13:15.05 | Danar | hrm, i can change permissions via su in konsole & konqueror, but not with sudo. anyone know why? |
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| 13:16.17 | Danar | ah well |
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| 13:17.25 | Space_NL | hmm, is proftpd the standard ftp server in debian, or does it install a different one in first install ? |
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| 13:19.33 | PerfDave | Space_NL: It doesn't install any FTP server unless you tell it to. |
| 13:19.42 | citral | Space_NL: debian doesn't install any ftp server by default, so there os no "standard" one |
| 13:20.48 | Space_NL | well, i -might- have asked debian in install to do ftp (like i did also say for apache, sql and stuff) to be installed |
| 13:20.59 | Space_NL | that would explain why proftpd wont work now .. |
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| 13:21.20 | citral | Space_NL: that's not a problem at all, you can install proftpd after the debian install |
| 13:21.38 | Space_NL | so i did, and it starts up .. but all i can do is not ftp to the machine .. |
| 13:22.05 | Aragorn_Guardian | hi all |
| 13:22.20 | Aragorn_Guardian | i need update my packages |
| 13:22.27 | Aragorn_Guardian | i am using aptitude |
| 13:22.45 | Aragorn_Guardian | where can i view info about it? |
| 13:23.06 | citral | Space_NL: nestat -an | grep 21 |
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| 13:23.23 | Space_NL | nedstat doesnt show any port 21 .. |
| 13:23.27 | valdyn | Aragorn_Guardian: as usual - /usr/share/doc/aptitude, man aptitude, info aptitude, aptitude --help |
| 13:23.34 | citral | Space_NL: so proftpd isn't started |
| 13:23.35 | Space_NL | hmm, deinstalled, and reinstalled now .. and it works .. |
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| 13:23.52 | Space_NL | so i guess there was a config error then .. |
| 13:23.58 | citral | probably |
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| 13:24.49 | Space_NL | which is weird .. cod /etc/proftpd.conf is still my old config file .. |
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| 13:25.28 | s3ri4l | hello, i have a problem... martian source 10.1.0.4 from 10.1.0.201, on dev eth2, but iface of class 10.1.0.0/16 is eth1... can helpme? |
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| 13:25.56 | citral | biglaughing: AH AH AH |
| 13:26.08 | citral | :) |
| 13:26.12 | biglaughing | :) |
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| 13:26.24 | darmou | does anyone know how remount a drive so that the fstab settings are ignored? |
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| 13:26.50 | citral | biglaughing: no I don't |
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| 13:26.58 | valdyn | darmou: command line options override /etc/fstab |
| 13:27.04 | ricky_clarkson | darmou: man mount |
| 13:27.14 | citral | biglaughing: ask before /msging people here, an advice |
| 13:27.23 | darmou | did man mount however drive is readonly |
| 13:27.38 | citral | darmou: look at the remount option |
| 13:27.42 | darmou | so would not let me, oh well I'll google for it |
| 13:27.52 | ricky_clarkson | !wayttd darmou |
| 13:27.56 | darmou | thanks |
| 13:28.12 | ricky_clarkson | !wayttd $1 is <reply>What Are You Trying To Do, $1? |
| 13:28.18 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, no dpkg. |
| 13:28.26 | Space_NL | oke .. different question .. i chroot people on their own homedir if the ftp to me .. did so on old server .. but there my own account wasnt chrooted .. and i guess that is because i allowed myself to be in the root group ? how can i do that again ? |
| 13:28.28 | ricky_clarkson | ~wayttd darmou |
| 13:28.30 | apt | What Are You Trying To Do, darmou? |
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| 13:28.56 | darmou | I'm trying to remount an xfs formatted drive that has a bad fstab option |
| 13:29.01 | ricky_clarkson | dondelelcaro: Problems with your bot? |
| 13:29.33 | citral | Space_NL: why are you in the root group? put yourself in adm, wheel or whatever |
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| 13:29.59 | darmou | When I boot it just mounts the xfs drive readonly |
| 13:30.11 | ricky_clarkson | darmou: remount it. |
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| 13:30.21 | valdyn | darmou: mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
| 13:30.22 | Space_NL | citral: dont know .. but something made my account not being chrooted by proftpd .. that was kinda why i asked .. |
| 13:30.34 | Gumby | anyone here know a good java howto for sarge? |
| 13:30.34 | trogger | mysqld spawns many processes. how do I reduce the number? |
| 13:30.46 | citral | Space_NL: did you actually try with other accounts? |
| 13:30.57 | darmou | thanks ricky_clarkson, valdyn |
| 13:30.57 | Space_NL | citral: yep, i did .. |
| 13:31.00 | vladkao | hah, split :-) |
| 13:31.06 | Gumby | trogger: I think you can set that in my.cnf |
| 13:31.11 | Space_NL | citral: my server here got about 10 users accounts .. all are chrooted but my own. |
| 13:31.29 | ricky_clarkson | Gumby: apt-get install java-package |
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| 13:31.53 | trogger | Gumby: any idea where in particular? I had a look through it |
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| 13:32.05 | citral | Space_NL: hmmm... if that comes from the root group, just remove yourself to this group, you have nothing to do with it anyway |
| 13:32.12 | Space_NL | okies |
| 13:32.15 | citral | s/to this/from this/ |
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| 13:32.25 | stew | Gumby: install java-package, download a jre from java.sun.com then run make-jpkg on it (read the docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package) |
| 13:32.30 | Space_NL | is there a way to view what users have access to what groups ? |
| 13:32.38 | citral | Space_NL: groups |
| 13:32.48 | trogger | Space_NL: as in groups <username> |
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| 13:33.08 | Space_NL | thnx |
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| 13:33.32 | citral | Space_NL: alternative, cat /etc/group |
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| 13:34.27 | Gumby | stew: I am trying to install azureus and apt says it needs sun-j2sdk1.5. On sun;s site I only see 1.4.2SDK. Am I missing something? |
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| 13:35.26 | [Granger] | Gumby: yes you are |
| 13:35.35 | stew | Gumby: i think sun is calling java-1.5 "java5" |
| 13:35.36 | LSorense | Gumby: 1.5 is beta I think. It is there |
| 13:35.45 | ricky_clarkson | 1.5 and 5 are the same. |
| 13:35.45 | Jeo | hello, I am trying to install the php5-cgi with apache2, I have apache2/php4-cgi(suexe) running... I did many things... it seems the php4 does not want die! |
| 13:35.52 | valdyn | Gumby: "Popular Downloads" \ J2SE 5.0 |
| 13:35.56 | LSorense | Gumby: remember to use java-package to create deb's from the sun .bin's |
| 13:36.02 | Delph | LSorense: java 1.5 is the new stable. |
| 13:36.03 | Gumby | is sdk and jse thee same thing? |
| 13:36.13 | LSorense | Delph: oh it's stable now? Maybe I should update |
| 13:36.19 | Aragorn_Guardian | valdyn, |
| 13:36.22 | citral | do we look like google? |
| 13:36.24 | Delph | LSorense: or rather, it's been released, and isn't a beta. |
| 13:36.29 | Jeo | I did apt-get install php5-cgi should I remove the php4? I did but it is still here?! |
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| 13:36.38 | ricky_clarkson | citraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal page 1 of 30 |
| 13:36.43 | OutCast3k | Im trying to install debian from a net install cd now, when i install 2.4.x it installs fine it picks up the raid and will partition the disks and install etc... when i try to install from the cd with linux26, i get the error: "No Partitionable Media were found" anyone got any ideas? (im having nothing but trouble with this server and the kerenl 2.6.x) |
| 13:36.49 | Aragorn_Guardian | valdyn: thanks.. |
| 13:36.51 | LSorense | Gumby: j2re and j2sdk are the runtime only and development kits respectively. not sure what jse would be |
| 13:36.58 | Delph | java second edition, i think |
| 13:37.06 | Space_NL | where do u put a .deb package if you want apt to install it ? |
| 13:37.13 | LSorense | Space_NL: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 13:37.21 | ricky_clarkson | LSorense: JSE is nothing. J2SE is JDK 2 Standard Edition (development kit). |
| 13:37.26 | LSorense | Space_NL: or in a package archive (man dpkg-scanpackages) |
| 13:37.27 | Gumby | LSorense: lol. I am lost then. so its not j2se I need but j2re |
| 13:37.38 | ricky_clarkson | Gumby: Are you trying to run or develop? |
| 13:37.43 | Gumby | run |
| 13:37.46 | ricky_clarkson | Gumby: JRE |
| 13:37.59 | citral | with R like Run, forrest! |
| 13:38.00 | LSorense | Gumby: j2re is probably it. j2sdk works too, but is mostly useful if you want to develop java |
| 13:38.01 | Gumby | I only need it because apt-get install azureus is telling me I need that package |
| 13:38.08 | Gumby | ok, thanks |
| 13:38.18 | ricky_clarkson | Gumby: java-package |
| 13:38.20 | valdyn | Gumby: why dont you read - its quite obvious that SE and SDK refer to completely different things |
| 13:38.24 | Delph | Gumby: get java-package. |
| 13:38.36 | Delph | use to install sun; install azerus. |
| 13:38.40 | OutCast3k | whos the best person to talk to about installing/upgrading to the linux kernel 2.6.x ? (on a dell poweredge 1850 server) .... |
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| 13:39.01 | PerfDave | Does Azureus not work with the free-java-sdk? |
| 13:39.12 | valdyn | PerfDave: nope |
| 13:39.13 | ricky_clarkson | !info azureus |
| 13:39.24 | valdyn | PerfDave: refuses to start iirc |
| 13:39.27 | PerfDave | valdyn: Ah well. I have bittornado, I have no need for Azureus ;) |
| 13:39.28 | ricky_clarkson | ~info azureus |
| 13:39.39 | citral | OutCast3k: d'oh, linus? |
| 13:39.44 | Gumby | Delph: I've done thhat already |
| 13:39.54 | OutCast3k | citral, huh? |
| 13:40.00 | valdyn | PerfDave: they are "tracking" latest sun stuff by demanding to use it. nfc if theres a real reason ) |
| 13:40.43 | citral | OutCast3k: define "best person" |
| 13:41.20 | Gul | i have this problem with a bash script, where i get "No value for $TERM and no -T specified" when I run it through cron, but when i manually run it this message does not appear. I tried setting TERM=vt100, but the message still is there, the script runs fine though |
| 13:41.22 | Gumby | PerfDave: does bittornado minimize to a tasktray? |
| 13:41.31 | citral | OutCast3k: does this server run sarge? |
| 13:41.37 | Plastic | I have a question about .bashrc. I have a .bashrc file I have used on Solaris and Cygwin, but when I copied it to my new Linux box and tried it i get "syntax error, unexpected end of file" at the end. Is there anything special that needs to be at the end of a Linux .bashrc file? |
| 13:41.38 | OutCast3k | citral, anyone who might have had a similar problem? tomyself or a higher member of staff maybe.. :\ |
| 13:41.41 | valdyn | Gumby: if youre terminal does |
| 13:41.45 | valdyn | Gumby: if your terminal does |
| 13:41.55 | OutCast3k | citral, yes its running sarge |
| 13:41.57 | Gumby | heh |
| 13:42.07 | PerfDave | Gumby: It's a set of CLI applications. I run one in screen, on a server which has no X server. |
| 13:42.07 | citral | OutCast3k: explain your problem then, someone here might know |
| 13:42.50 | cadu | OutCast3k: might have had ;D feeling gerundist today ? ;D |
| 13:43.16 | OutCast3k | citral, it doesnt have a problem booting the 2.4.x kernel (allthough i did need to add the megaraid2 module to: /etc/mkinitrd/modules) before i rebooted (but not b4 the installtion has finished) otherwise the module wouldnt load and i'd get a nasty kernel panic... |
| 13:43.18 | LSorense | Gumby: hmm, if you go click download j2se 5.0, it eventually gets you a file called jre 1.5.0 for linux (jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin to be exact) |
| 13:43.25 | jelly | Plastic: you can always put set -vx or something at the top and see where it breaks |
| 13:43.49 | Gumby | LSorense: yes thx. I have found it and downloaded it |
| 13:44.00 | Plastic | ok thanks |
| 13:44.13 | OutCast3k | citral, anyway. i needed to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.x. but i get a simlair megariad issue if i update it via apt-get install. |
| 13:44.21 | LSorense | Gumby: time to play with make-jpkg |
| 13:44.33 | helix | asuffield: 高○アナãŒãŠæ³Šã‚Šï¼¦ï¼µï¼£ï¼«â™ª <--please tell me what this says, I am intrigued by the multibyte FUCK |
| 13:44.51 | helix | is that even japanese? |
| 13:45.05 | OutCast3k | citral, so i thought it might be a good idea to install it from the cd using "linux26" but i get another error saying that "No Partitionable Media were found" |
| 13:45.06 | Gul | can some1 tell me how i can simulate running a bash script through cron? |
| 13:45.41 | LSorense | helix: I think irc mangled the bytes |
| 13:45.41 | citral | OutCast3k: I see, the people you are looking for are probably in #debian-boot |
| 13:45.42 | helix | not for me |
| 13:45.49 | Delph | LSorense: utf-8 ++ |
| 13:45.55 | OutCast3k | citral, hmmm ok thanks. |
| 13:45.57 | Delph | helix: quite impressive =:) |
| 13:46.10 | helix | are you impressed that I use utf8? |
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| 13:46.37 | LSorense | helix: I have mostly seen japanese written in kanji not utf |
| 13:46.50 | LSorense | helix: not that I can read it either way :) |
| 13:46.52 | helix | ehm |
| 13:46.59 | helix | that is a fascinating statement |
| 13:47.09 | helix | since kanji and utf8 are completely different things |
| 13:47.17 | debian-san | I can read it. |
| 13:47.20 | LSorense | helix: I once used a japanese dictionary lookup in emacs to translate japanese to english |
| 13:47.26 | helix | heh |
| 13:47.28 | LSorense | helix: very painful :) |
| 13:47.42 | LSorense | helix: I didn't know where a word ended and another began |
| 13:47.46 | Delph | helix: no; that the letters are available as multibyte caharacters. |
| 13:47.55 | helix | Delph: yeah, that's pretty interesting |
| 13:48.07 | helix | but I guess asuffield is ignoring my fascinating spam |
| 13:48.27 | asuffield | helix: in the middle of something else :P |
| 13:48.32 | helix | oh come on |
| 13:48.43 | asuffield | helix: but anyway, that FUCK is in wide characters, that's all |
| 13:48.51 | helix | yeah, what does the stuff in front of it say |
| 13:48.55 | helix | that's what I want to know |
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| 13:49.08 | helix | but yes, I see you're busy |
| 13:49.12 | helix | with equally fascinating things |
| 13:49.28 | asuffield | (kanji are roughly square, while latin characters are in about a 2:1 ratio; japanese charsets also contain the latin characters stretched, so that monospace fonts line up correctly) |
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| 13:50.14 | debian-san | helix: I think it's written : taka *maru* ana ga o shiri FUCK. |
| 13:50.26 | helix | dude. what does it mean? |
| 13:50.47 | helix | is it like "hot young sexy housewives want to..." |
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| 13:50.52 | ricky_clarkson | I hope so. |
| 13:50.52 | helix | and then they ran out of japanese words? |
| 13:51.02 | stew | helix: they do regardless of what that says |
| 13:51.09 | OutCast3k | citral, no luck yet :( |
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| 13:51.55 | ricky_clarkson | I had a Jap once. A bit, erm, reserved. |
| 13:52.04 | citral | OutCast3k: I guess you have to go through your /etc/proftpd.conf file again |
| 13:52.17 | gilles | How to list the process running on my stsem ? |
| 13:52.23 | citral | gilles: ps aux |
| 13:52.25 | OutCast3k | citral, what does /etc/proftpd.conf have anything to do with it? |
| 13:52.35 | citral | OutCast3k: everything? |
| 13:52.37 | debian-san | I just speak Japanese... The words mean : High Circle Hole, Bottoms, Fuck. |
| 13:52.38 | asuffield | helix: it appears to be gibberish |
| 13:52.57 | debian-san | I just speak Japanese a little though. |
| 13:53.02 | citral | yay for debian-san |
| 13:53.02 | directhex | ricky_clarkson, if you had to live in fear of tentacle monsters if you acted remotely sexual, wouldn't YOU be reserved? |
| 13:53.10 | directhex | sama. |
| 13:53.15 | asuffield | helix: so I think this is the japanese equivalent of that pseudo-spam contruscted from random words |
| 13:53.27 | valdyn | OutCast3k: have you tried a 2.6.10 kernel image from sid? |
| 13:53.28 | helix | asuffield: aw, damn. how disappointing :( |
| 13:53.29 | ricky_clarkson | directhex: You refer to Japanese public transport? |
| 13:53.43 | valdyn | OutCast3k: theyre supposed to work better on your megaraid thing |
| 13:53.54 | ambycrao | I`m trying to run tcl scripts on my eggdrop, does "--eBersas teve-script v1.2.7 loaded!" the scripts works ? cant use the command !teve :/ |
| 13:54.03 | citral | OutCast3k: oh sorry, wrong person |
| 13:54.03 | directhex | ricky_clarkson, the overfiend! he hungers for girlflesh! |
| 13:54.09 | OutCast3k | valdyn, ah great.. someone that knows a bit more than me about it. |
| 13:54.14 | OutCast3k | citral, thought so :P |
| 13:54.17 | OutCast3k | citral, np |
| 13:54.22 | valdyn | OutCast3k: i dont, i just googled ) |
| 13:54.23 | helix | asuffield: thanks anyway |
| 13:54.49 | OutCast3k | valdyn, me to but i couldnt figure much out... what would u recommmend then? |
| 13:55.25 | Gumby | well that was bbloody painless. thanks LSorense and ricky_clarkson |
| 13:55.34 | ricky_clarkson | Wow, nobody's the centre of attention - #debian graph: http://cosrin.nu/~piespy/ |
| 13:56.01 | ricky_clarkson | Gumby: wrt Java? |
| 13:56.20 | Gumby | wrt? |
| 13:56.28 | helix | @wrt |
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| 13:56.30 | ravenbird | methinks wrt is with respect to, or with regards to |
| 13:56.32 | directhex | wild rabbit teasing |
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| 13:56.45 | Gumby | hehe. yes. wrt java :) |
| 13:56.49 | valdyn | OutCast3k: just try - I myself would google, look thru lkml, look thru linus.bkbits.net, but Im not recommending you to do the last 2 |
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| 13:58.08 | OutCast3k | valdyn, ok thx |
| 13:58.10 | jc-denton | can i track packages in woody |
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| 13:58.26 | jc-denton | i want to know when a package was updated in woody |
| 13:58.30 | jc-denton | and what are the reasons |
| 13:58.37 | ricky_clarkson | jc-denton: apt-listchanges? |
| 13:59.01 | jc-denton | do i have to have a running woody system for that? |
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| 13:59.06 | ARdEBaRAn | hello |
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| 13:59.29 | ARdEBaRAn | what file must i edit on debian to make any program but or not at boot time ? |
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| 13:59.47 | citral | ARdEBaRAn: man update-rc.d |
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| 14:00.11 | stew | jc-denton: subscribe to debian-security-announce@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:00.38 | jc-denton | humm |
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| 14:00.52 | jc-denton | i want something like http://packages.qa.debian.org |
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| 14:01.06 | jc-denton | stew: will there be all changes on that list? |
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| 14:03.34 | abrotman | bts |
| 14:03.35 | stew | jc-denton: yes, i believe so. the only people releasing new woody packages is the security team |
| 14:03.46 | stew | jc-denton: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2005/msg00023.html |
| 14:03.50 | valdyn | jc-denton: http://www.debian.org/security/ |
| 14:04.03 | Eclipser | what happened to dpkg? |
| 14:04.09 | stew | abrotman: i'd start in california |
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| 14:04.16 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. i guess |
| 14:04.16 | jc-denton | also problemes that cupsys crashes under too much load? |
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| 14:04.40 | greycat | @seen dpkg |
| 14:04.41 | ravenbird | dpkg <~dpkg@dpkg.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5h 30m 9s ago, saying: 'nvz: OK'. |
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| 14:05.20 | abrotman | nvz broke him! |
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| 14:05.30 | stew | jc-denton: look through the dsa list |
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| 14:06.34 | abrotman | that so looks like a spambot |
| 14:06.59 | stew | BHgKNM: have you ever heard about a guy named turing and his famous test? |
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| 14:07.05 | Taraxacum | hey |
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| 14:07.59 | simonrvn | abrotman: count on it |
| 14:08.13 | simonrvn | that one too, then just left |
| 14:08.18 | simonrvn | that just* |
| 14:08.30 | Taraxacum | i have a problem with sarge, when i startup the computer and get into the login screen in xwindows i can't type in anything, i have to close x and all it's belongings and start it up again to make it work, anyone know why that might be? |
| 14:08.36 | abrotman | ~tell QU about root |
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| 14:08.48 | Space_NL | oke .. is there some sort off faq / howto on getting sounds working on sarge ? |
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| 14:09.14 | stew | Space_NL: yes, in the faq |
| 14:09.30 | simonrvn | stew: /topic |
| 14:09.34 | simonrvn | stew: woops |
| 14:09.34 | Space_NL | perfect, where can i find it ? :-) |
| 14:09.40 | simonrvn | Space_NL: /topic |
| 14:10.05 | Space_NL | too easy i guess |
| 14:10.13 | Taraxacum | hehe |
| 14:10.17 | stew | @WikiFaq Space_NL UseSoundCard |
| 14:10.23 | ARdEBaRAn | what file must i edit on debian to make any program but or not at boot time ? i read the update-rc.d but there's a lot of rc?.d directories, i dont really know where must i make my script |
| 14:10.26 | stew | i guess only dpkg has that one |
| 14:10.45 | trogger | ARdEBaRAn: update-rc.d will update them for you automatically |
| 14:10.53 | valdyn | ARdEBaRAn: you make it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:11.24 | ARdEBaRAn | okey |
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| 14:11.41 | Space_NL | hmm, my install has oss aswell as alsa .. weird |
| 14:11.43 | Flashi | hello everybody |
| 14:11.55 | Taraxacum | did anyone read my problem |
| 14:11.56 | Taraxacum | ? |
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| 14:12.46 | Flashi | I can not start KDE it always says "Caught Signal 11. Server aborting" can enyone help? |
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| 14:13.23 | PerfDave | Flashi: Can't start KDE, or can't start X? |
| 14:13.33 | PerfDave | Flashi: For starters, /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 14:14.13 | simonrvn | stew: wikifaq foo bar works now |
| 14:14.15 | Flashi | XFree86 does start and i can see the gray screen with teh mouse |
| 14:14.27 | simonrvn | @wikifaq foo UseSoundCard |
| 14:14.28 | ravenbird | UseSoundCard: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/?foo |
| 14:14.32 | simonrvn | woops |
| 14:14.36 | stew | heh |
| 14:14.39 | SonnyChiba | Is there any repository with OpenOffice2.0 packages? Can i use ubuntu repositories (under unstable/experimental)? |
| 14:14.57 | Space_NL | oke .. read howto for sounds .. BUT .. i have OSS aswell as ALSA installed (is what xmms tells me anyways). aswell as 3 sounds modules in the kernel .. and the correct one is in /etc/modules to start up at boot time .. |
| 14:15.00 | simonrvn | @wikifaq foo UseSoundCard |
| 14:15.01 | ravenbird | foo: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/?UseSoundCard |
| 14:15.04 | PerfDave | SonnyChiba: Mixing repositories between distributions is not for the meek or sane. |
| 14:15.06 | simonrvn | :) |
| 14:15.15 | Space_NL | is xmms lying to me, or is there something else goign on ? |
| 14:15.18 | Taraxacum | guess no one know about my problem then |
| 14:15.30 | stew | \o/ |
| 14:15.31 | SonnyChiba | PerfDave: know that, just looking for a way to install openoffice2.0 in a debian way |
| 14:16.09 | Space_NL | Taraxacum: did read it .. but .. is youre settings oke ? (like .. mouse correct names etc ?) |
| 14:16.15 | stew | SonnyChiba: you might check with #debian-oo |
| 14:16.18 | PerfDave | SonnyChiba: Packaging OOo 2 for Debian may prove hard since it's so dependent on non-Free Java. IIRC there's an OOo list at http://lists.debian.org/ - it might be worth poking around there. |
| 14:16.58 | Taraxacum | well i can use the keyboard now so yes |
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| 14:17.11 | mwilson | PerfDave: Is it more dependent on it than 1.x is? |
| 14:17.13 | SonnyChiba | PerfDave: right, tnx :) |
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| 14:17.20 | Bklyn | Anyone here using firehol? |
| 14:17.20 | Taraxacum | it's just that the loginscreen don't seem to understand it |
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| 14:17.43 | FieldySnuts | anyone have a repository for gnome-2.10? |
| 14:17.50 | FieldySnuts | i'm kidding. i know |
| 14:17.57 | Space_NL | Taraxacum: i myself had trouble when i didnt have a mouse connected at the time .. but did had a mouse in the config .. |
| 14:17.58 | PerfDave | mwilson: I believe so. I don't think you can even use the built-in help without Sun Java. |
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| 14:18.13 | Taraxacum | my mouse was working so it can't be that |
| 14:18.19 | Eclipser | someone/something broke my enlightenment |
| 14:18.37 | directhex | Eclipser, sorry. i was bored |
| 14:18.41 | Space_NL | Taraxacum: well .. end off the line for me then .. sorry . |
| 14:18.48 | stew | Eclipser: say a buddhist prayer, enlightenment will return |
| 14:18.50 | Taraxacum | np, thanks for trying |
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| 14:21.05 | Eclipser | ok... it wasn't enlightenment |
| 14:21.17 | Eclipser | kdm doesn't recognize it anymore |
| 14:21.34 | Eclipser | funny |
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| 14:22.27 | mwilson | Since the Debian enlightenment packages don't place session files for either KDM *or* GDM, what makes you think it was "recognizing" it in the first place? |
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| 14:23.04 | Eclipser | mwilson, it did a few days ago :) |
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| 14:24.35 | Taraxacum | when i startup sarge i would like to add iptables to it, in what file do i do that? |
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| 14:24.48 | Taraxacum | i have a script for it |
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| 14:25.29 | to_ | do u know if there exist a gnome-applet to grab data from a web page? |
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| 14:25.39 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:25.42 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 14:25.46 | abrotman | dpkg: come back! |
| 14:25.49 | helix | @u |
| 14:25.51 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:25.57 | sep | Taraxacum: i guess you need to read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:25.59 | PerfDave | abrotman: ...all is forgiven? |
| 14:26.02 | stew | Taraxacum: read /etc/init.d/README and /msg ravenbird rc.local |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | PerfDave: with you or dpkg? |
| 14:26.15 | PerfDave | abrotman: dpkg |
| 14:26.16 | spo0nman | !sources.list |
| 14:26.22 | PerfDave | abrotman: I'm not aware of you having anything to forgive me for. |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | i will never forgive dpkg for leaving me this way! :( |
| 14:26.36 | spo0nman | :( |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | PerfDave: using kde? :) |
| 14:26.42 | spo0nman | dpkg why did you leave |
| 14:27.00 | PerfDave | abrotman: I don't need your forgiveness for using KDE, it's not my fault that you're insane. |
| 14:27.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: i suppose not |
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| 14:27.48 | trogger | has anyone here used turck-mmcache? |
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| 14:28.18 | ambycrao | how do i check the version of my tcl/tk ? |
| 14:29.04 | simonrvn | @sources.list |
| 14:29.05 | ravenbird | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: ... |
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| 14:29.56 | mwilson | ambycrao: dpkg -l |
| 14:30.16 | trogger | mwilson: apt-cache policy is better. |
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| 14:31.14 | mwilson | trogger: No, it provides more information, often unimportant information. That does not make it "better". He asked how to determine the version, dpkg tells him that, in one line. |
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| 14:31.28 | trogger | mwilson: point taken. |
| 14:32.27 | amikron | bye all |
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| 14:36.40 | Taraxacum | how dows this rc.local have to do with me? i use debian sarge |
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| 14:37.12 | BadMan | what happened to dpkg bot? |
| 14:37.30 | asg | BadMan: it got bored and wandered off, use ravenbird instead |
| 14:37.32 | PerfDave | ~nvidia one-liner |
| 14:37.37 | vladkao | Taraxacum: say it again, in other words :-) |
| 14:37.37 | BadMan | ok |
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| 14:38.34 | Taraxacum | someone refered me to rc.local when i said i wanted to add iptables to the startup so to speak, but it says that is for redhat and other distros, but not debian |
| 14:38.59 | asg | Taraxacum: and gave you information on how to compensate for a lack of rc.local in debian |
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| 14:39.10 | asg | Taraxacum: other options are available by reading /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 14:39.27 | Taraxacum | the iptables are fine |
| 14:40.00 | Taraxacum | i just don't get it, aren't there supposed to be a file i just put a line in and then it execute the script at startup? |
| 14:40.03 | ivan | get firestarter, it's a gui for configuring iptables |
| 14:40.13 | mwilson | Taraxacum: No. |
| 14:40.24 | asg | ivan: he doesn't want a gui, he wants to start iptables at boot |
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| 14:40.27 | Taraxacum | oh...wasn't it like that before? |
| 14:40.34 | mwilson | Taraxacum: No. |
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| 14:40.44 | Taraxacum | oh okay... |
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| 14:40.49 | Taraxacum | guess i got that all wrong then |
| 14:40.50 | ivan | firestarter script loads iptables at boot |
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| 14:41.18 | Taraxacum | well since you people are so mysterious i will help myself then |
| 14:41.20 | sep | Taraxacum: the doc /usr/share/doc/README.Debian.gz talke about atlest 3 different ways to start your script |
| 14:41.30 | ivan | is there anywhere to get precompiled xfce binaries for sunos? |
| 14:41.54 | drac | ivan: SunOS.. you are on #debian |
| 14:42.13 | ivan | yea, but i thought some people here would know |
| 14:42.18 | Taraxacum | and if i don't have that readme then sep? |
| 14:42.27 | mwilson | sep: That would require him to read it. |
| 14:42.45 | Taraxacum | don't be a moron mwilson |
| 14:43.08 | sep | Taraxacum: then i guess you havent installed iptables.. |
| 14:43.15 | Taraxacum | heh |
| 14:43.24 | Taraxacum | i don't refuse |
| 14:43.30 | Taraxacum | you assume |
| 14:43.51 | Taraxacum | and you're guessing wrong sep |
| 14:43.53 | sep | Taraxacum: well the doc is included in the iptables package so... |
| 14:44.16 | asg | Taraxacum: if you don't have a README in /usr/share/doc/iptables, then you aren't running debian or have removed it. |
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| 14:44.27 | Taraxacum | neither |
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| 14:44.33 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:45.02 | Taraxacum | then he gave me the wrong path |
| 14:45.08 | dhuv | i am having a problem after i compiled my kernel, i have done this plenty of times before but i know its something i am doing wrong |
| 14:45.09 | Taraxacum | yours and his don't match |
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| 14:45.28 | asg | Taraxacum: he did give you the wrong path. |
| 14:45.29 | dhuv | during bootup it says Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) |
| 14:45.34 | Taraxacum | great... |
| 14:45.42 | Taraxacum | thanks |
| 14:45.48 | greycat | Harumph. This Wiki needs to be smacked a bit. |
| 14:46.05 | drac | dhuv: It means what it means, you didn't include correct fs (filesystem) supports in your kernel. |
| 14:46.15 | Taraxacum | and to read a compressed file i use what command again? |
| 14:46.16 | greycat | It blows up when I put the literal string "rwxr-----" into it. |
| 14:46.22 | citral | Taraxacum: zless |
| 14:46.27 | Taraxacum | thank you |
| 14:47.09 | sep | Taraxacum: your right the second time i posted the path i forgot the iptables part. |
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| 14:47.27 | sep | but i guess you didtn' |
| 14:47.35 | citral | that's what the tab key is made for |
| 14:47.36 | michal11 | do pice |
| 14:47.36 | Taraxacum | . /bin/zless: line 4: exec: less: not found |
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| 14:47.43 | Taraxacum | i have the command and all |
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| 14:47.47 | citral | !breastfeed Taraxacum |
| 14:47.50 | asg | Taraxacum: apt-get install less |
| 14:47.51 | sep | Taraxacum: apt-get install less |
| 14:47.56 | Taraxacum | oh |
| 14:48.10 | Taraxacum | so when i install sarge i get a incomplete command? |
| 14:48.16 | michal11 | vsetci ste obycajne kurvy |
| 14:48.21 | asg | Taraxacum: no, less is optional. zmore will work if you don't have less |
| 14:48.26 | DebianTestr | can someone tell me what type of encryption /etc/shadow is in sarge.. I'm trying to use mysql+exim4 and the howtos show a shorter encrypted password.. so i can't just drag over passwords from /etc/shadow. |
| 14:48.29 | abrotman | michal11: cat ? |
| 14:48.31 | Taraxacum | oh i see |
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| 14:48.37 | sussudio | !fry zmore |
| 14:48.38 | kpanik | do someone have some feed back about GPL groupwares ? |
| 14:48.42 | citral | Taraxacum: you may have noticed that the install cd is about 100Mo, it cannot contain everything... |
| 14:48.44 | PerfDave | DebianTestr: It's whatever you select when you install it. |
| 14:49.04 | asg | kpanik: email, irc, and mailing lists fit the bill just nicely where groupware is concerned. |
| 14:49.05 | Taraxacum | yeah i noticed, didn't even have lynx for people who needed to login to the net |
| 14:49.11 | DebianTestr | hmm.. is there a config file i can check to see what i picked? |
| 14:49.15 | michal11 | palte do pice skurveny cigani |
| 14:49.20 | asg | michal11: go away |
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| 14:49.30 | michal11 | why? |
| 14:49.33 | alcorrr | mornin all! |
| 14:49.36 | asg | michal11: or start making sense |
| 14:49.37 | sussudio | parlez vous fucktard? |
| 14:49.42 | dhuv | drac: i am using reiserfs and its supported in the kernel that i made, I am going to check again, is there any other reason that could cause this? |
| 14:49.46 | DebianTestr | I don't remember getting an option.. I thought crypt() in perl was supposed to use the same encryption the system was setup for |
| 14:49.46 | kpanik | asg : means u dont have feed back ?:) |
| 14:49.47 | Taraxacum | people are so rude in here |
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| 14:49.54 | asg | kpanik: yes, that was my feedback. |
| 14:49.58 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:49.58 | Taraxacum | i am really surprised |
| 14:50.00 | drac | dhuv: ide/scsi support. lspci | grep IDE. |
| 14:50.00 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:50.03 | kpanik | asg: ok thx |
| 14:50.04 | citral | rooooot has landed! |
| 14:50.04 | michal11 | who era you? |
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| 14:50.11 | drac | dhuv: anything related to filesystems, or your harddisk. |
| 14:50.19 | abrotman | ~tell arabic_guy about root |
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| 14:50.36 | sussudio | err |
| 14:50.37 | alcorrr | stupid question warning: how can i open access to postfix on the smtp port? it answers to telnet from the same box, but from another machine on the net it doesn't? can anyone enlighten me plz? |
| 14:50.40 | sussudio | where's dpkg? |
| 14:50.42 | sussudio | !test |
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| 14:50.50 | sussudio | ~seen dpkg |
| 14:50.51 | apt | dpkg <~dpkg@dpkg.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 4h 4m 33s ago, saying: 'from memory, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b or reBoot.'. |
| 14:50.51 | abrotman | sussudio: napping ? |
| 14:50.53 | asg | alcorrr: look at net_interfaces |
| 14:51.00 | yoo | Hi all ! |
| 14:51.07 | alcorrr | thanks, asg! |
| 14:51.08 | abrotman | sussudio: oddly .. that's different than the last time ravenbird saw him |
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| 14:51.18 | asg | alcorrr: or rather inet_interfaces |
| 14:51.31 | citral | yeah |
| 14:51.33 | alcorrr | i have no such file, or is that a tag inside another file? |
| 14:51.41 | asg | alcorrr: also, install postfix-doc and read the standard configuration readme files. |
| 14:51.42 | citral | alcorrr: /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 14:51.42 | abrotman | oh .. different channel |
| 14:51.59 | sussudio | badgertime? |
| 14:52.00 | michal11 | do you know ze ste spiny? |
| 14:52.08 | citral | stfu |
| 14:52.18 | asg | sussudio: proper |
| 14:52.25 | alcorrr | citral, i know, i went thru that, it should work according to that, but i was thinking maybe there's an OS option that only opens the port to the local machine |
| 14:53.00 | citral | alcorrr: no, there isn't. Note that you have to restart or reload postfixx that it takes effect |
| 14:53.03 | alcorrr | or maybe it is main.cf in /etc/postfix.. should the my_networks file be set to the outside ip? |
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| 14:53.31 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 14:53.31 | alcorrr | it's mynetworks, actually, right now it's 127.0.0.0/8, but it's commented out |
| 14:53.33 | michal11 | I can not set up OPERAMAIL .Need help with that |
| 14:53.37 | citral | alcorrr: again, it's the inet_interfaces option |
| 14:53.59 | alcorrr | citral, it's: inet_interfaces = all |
| 14:54.10 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:54.10 | badgers | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:54.12 | abrotman | yay |
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| 14:55.09 | michal11 | www.espreso.sk |
| 14:55.17 | sussudio | michal11: foad |
| 14:55.36 | citral | greycat: could you +q michal11? |
| 14:55.50 | asg | sussudio: choada boy? |
| 14:55.51 | DebianTestr | is nullok a type of md5 encryption? |
| 14:55.59 | sussudio | :-| |
| 14:56.00 | DebianTestr | or does that stand for null ok |
| 14:56.02 | simonrvn | michal11: do you know what kind of channel this is? |
| 14:56.15 | michal11 | yes |
| 14:56.18 | simonrvn | DebianTestr: read the libpam-docs |
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| 14:56.45 | michal11 | I do not mind |
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| 14:56.48 | DebianTestr | ok i got a question then.. is there a perl function that will encrypt a word to the same as the /etc/shadow? |
| 14:57.04 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:57.15 | Shadur | Yep. |
| 14:57.17 | DebianTestr | my $salt = join '', ('.', '/', 0..9,'A'..'Z', 'a'..'z')[rand 64, rand 64]; |
| 14:57.17 | DebianTestr | print crypt($ARGV[0], $salt) ."\n"; |
| 14:57.26 | DebianTestr | that gives me a short little password |
| 14:57.31 | DebianTestr | i mean short little encryption |
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| 14:57.59 | simonrvn | DebianTestr: #perl |
| 14:58.00 | zu22 | server break-in challenge: http://www.linuxense.com/challenge/ valid for 1 more day |
| 14:58.16 | citral | alcorrr: you can try my_network = subnet |
| 14:58.19 | sussudio | zu22: go away |
| 14:58.23 | Shadur | DebianTestr: I prefer reading my salt from open(SALT,'pwgen -s 8|') and tacking $1$ in front of it. |
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| 14:58.47 | alcorrr | debian should be changed to debee'n, it's a more "radical" name for the new millenium.. if they're redoing bugs bunny, why not? |
| 14:58.52 | alcorrr | thanks citral, i'll try it now |
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| 14:59.04 | sussudio | fridaysunday? |
| 14:59.06 | zu22 | sussudio: sheesh thought some may find it of interest :( |
| 14:59.07 | citral | alcorrr: I meant my_networks_style |
| 14:59.10 | simonrvn | alcorrr: do you know where 'debian' comes from? |
| 14:59.11 | asg | sussudio: or worse |
| 14:59.20 | tu_tu | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
| 14:59.23 | sussudio | zu22: /msg kawfee about it, maybe he can DoS it with his 1337 botnet. |
| 14:59.26 | alcorrr | simonrvn, sadly, no, can you tell me? |
| 14:59.35 | zu22 | sussudio: lol |
| 14:59.38 | simonrvn | alcorrr: debra + ian |
| 14:59.46 | Blissex | alcorrr: D3ß14n ? :-) |
| 14:59.58 | citral | alcorrr: there are tons of sample confs on google, just type "postfix main.cf" |
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| 15:00.02 | alcorrr | Blissex, that might be "too" cutting edge :) |
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| 15:00.18 | DebianTestr | pwgen.. i guess i have to download that ? |
| 15:00.19 | alcorrr | thanks citral, i'll figure it out, i don;t wanna bother u anymore :) |
| 15:00.20 | azreal | debra + ian = debian jr. |
| 15:00.29 | citral | alcorrr: no problem |
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| 15:00.40 | citral | but it's "you", damnit |
| 15:00.42 | simonrvn | azreal: heh |
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| 15:01.49 | GenetiX | how do I redetect my hardware settings for gnome? Manually modifying in XF86Config-4 doesn't work. |
| 15:01.54 | tu_tu | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
| 15:02.03 | simonrvn | tu_tu: do you mind? |
| 15:02.10 | helix | tu_tu: speak english, mmkay |
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| 15:02.40 | tu_tu | rus okey? |
| 15:03.00 | helix | no |
| 15:03.03 | helix | rus not okey |
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| 15:03.24 | tu_tu | a |
| 15:03.39 | daww | How can I make a bootable floppy for DOS? |
| 15:03.52 | PerfDave | daww: with a Windows CD? |
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| 15:04.08 | smacnay | Hi, if I want to use a Debian 2.4.27 kernel and the Alsa modules - do I need to be using a 2.4.27-2-k7 .deb and install the corresponding 2.4.27-2-k7 alsa-modules or can I build a kernel-source-2.4.27 and apply the alsa-modules-2.4.2-k7 (seems to not be correct)? |
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| 15:04.11 | simonrvn | the zombies are especially active today too (not just friday+sunday effects) |
| 15:04.14 | takatumi | daww: why do you need one? |
| 15:04.25 | daww | PerfDave, A floppy that could update the BIOS |
| 15:04.31 | simonrvn | 'cause s/he wants to boot their 'doze box ;P |
| 15:05.04 | smacnay | I like the 2.4 kernel but would like to patch the alsa modules to it. |
| 15:05.09 | PerfDave | daww: You can make one with a Windows CD, I think. |
| 15:05.13 | valdyn | daww: google for a freedos disk image, dd it to a floppy |
| 15:05.26 | resiak | smacnay: It is said that using ALSA with 2.4 leads to a world of pain, misery, and self-abuse. |
| 15:05.29 | daww | takatumi, I don't know which BIOS update tool Linux is using for Asus motherboards, so I must do this from dos with Afodus |
| 15:05.31 | citral | daww: kfloppy does it, I don't know if there is a command line tool for that |
| 15:05.53 | TinoW | valdyn: apt-get install ms-sys |
| 15:06.02 | takatumi | daww: ah, yey to fiddle with the BIOS. |
| 15:06.11 | smacnay | resiak: thanks - that will make my course of action a lot easier. I will either just use a 2.6.8 kernel or use the 2.4.27 kernel with OSS. |
| 15:06.12 | takatumi | s/yey/yet |
| 15:06.12 | PerfDave | valdyn: I'm not sure that all BIOS update utilities work with FreeDOS. |
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| 15:06.34 | alcorrr | citral, one last question :) if my mask is Mask:255.255.255.0, and my ip is 216.111.111.111, what should the mynetworks tag be? 216.0.0.0/28 or /24 ? |
| 15:06.36 | resiak | smacnay: If you have no good reason not to use 2.6.8, then use it. For my purposes, it works like a dream. |
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| 15:06.53 | PerfDave | alcorrr: apt-get install ipcalc |
| 15:06.54 | simonrvn | alcorrr: /24 |
| 15:06.59 | alcorrr | thanks! |
| 15:07.00 | citral | alcorrr: there's a very handy utility for that, ipcalc ;) |
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| 15:07.19 | stew | alcorrr: you lucked out on getting an easy to remember ip address |
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| 15:07.28 | [sniffed] | SARGE RULEZ !!! |
| 15:07.35 | alcorrr | Stew, it's not the real one :) |
| 15:07.40 | smacnay | resiak: I have been d/l kernels from kernel.org and making my own but I would like to play with the Debian sources for all their included patches. I have had not problems with 2.6 yet but have heard others say that 2.4.x is more stable. |
| 15:07.49 | daww | Is there anyone here that have used a BIOS update tool for Linux for ASUS? |
| 15:08.01 | ricolino | hey |
| 15:08.01 | resiak | smacnay: So it is said. Like I say, I've had no problems. |
| 15:08.04 | PerfDave | daww: Do ASUS make a Linux BIOS update tool? |
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| 15:08.24 | PerfDave | daww: I doubt that you could make one, for the same reason that you can't use Windows for BIOS updates. |
| 15:08.31 | alcorrr | daww, get a dos boot disk image, make it, then mount it and copy the update files on it, and boot from it after |
| 15:08.32 | daww | PerfDave, http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=P4V800-X |
| 15:08.35 | smacnay | resiak: thanks for the help. I will use a 2.6.8 Debian source and see how all goes. |
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| 15:09.10 | [sniffed] | BEST DISTRI IMHO !!! PROUDLY PRESENTS SARGE USER sniffty biffty ;-) |
| 15:09.41 | takatumi | !badgerknoppix |
| 15:09.42 | badgers | Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Ubuntu Ubuntu Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix Knoppix A MEPIS! A MEPIS! |
| 15:09.44 | simonrvn | did the world collectively smoke crack today? |
| 15:09.51 | [sniffed] | lol |
| 15:09.53 | asg | simonrvn: yes |
| 15:10.07 | [sniffed] | @<simonrvn> yes |
| 15:10.43 | azreal | simonrvn: they put crack in the water now, dont they? |
| 15:10.51 | PerfDave | daww: There doesn't appear to be a Linux tool there. |
| 15:11.13 | valdyn | daww: ive been using asus boards lately, didnt find a linux bios update tool |
| 15:11.29 | simonrvn | not only in this channel too, other channels... compounding it... |
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| 15:11.43 | [sniffed] | I SAY BIG THX @ll Developers and Supporters from Debian SARGE project you all make very good job |
| 15:11.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart takatumi |
| 15:11.52 | daww | valdyn, So I must update the bios from DOS then? |
| 15:12.06 | valdyn | daww: or from windows, asus supports that too |
| 15:12.08 | thor- | hi, have have a problem with exim or rather the sendmail alias. When I use phpmailer.class which calls on sendmail I get "Could not execute sendmail" Tried googling with little luck |
| 15:12.12 | grepper | daww: you might have a look at: http://www.nenie.org/misc/flashbootcd.html |
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| 15:12.16 | thor- | anyone hade a simmilar problem |
| 15:12.18 | thor- | ? |
| 15:12.23 | PerfDave | daww: E-mail ASUS and ask them for a FreeDOS / Linux based solution. |
| 15:12.32 | GenetiX | how do I disable the gnome login screen after a fresh debian install? |
| 15:12.38 | asg | thor-: whereis the class looking for sendmail? |
| 15:12.39 | PerfDave | GenetiX: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 15:12.52 | janek | Hi |
| 15:12.54 | daww | PerfDave, Excuse me, but what if FreeDOS? |
| 15:12.58 | simonrvn | PerfDave: ravenbird. dpkg isn't here right now |
| 15:13.04 | sussudio | !badger FieldySnuts |
| 15:13.06 | PerfDave | daww: http://www.freedos.org/ |
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| 15:13.09 | alcorrr | amen, [sniffed] |
| 15:13.10 | PerfDave | GenetiX: /msg apt nodm |
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| 15:13.12 | janek | How can i change my windows manager...gnome to kde ? |
| 15:13.14 | valdyn | vendors are generally being retarded about this, like ibm provides a disk image in a win32 exectuable but no raw image =/ |
| 15:13.17 | caphuso | i don't need any tools beside mkisofs and cdrecord to flash by bios |
| 15:13.23 | caphuso | s/by/my/ |
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| 15:13.33 | thor- | asg: /usr/sbin/sendmail. ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail shows a symlink to exim |
| 15:13.35 | PerfDave | valdyn: So e-mail them and complain :) |
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| 15:14.10 | asg | thor-: and if you try to run the same command as the php code as user www-data, do you get an error? |
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| 15:14.50 | valdyn | PerfDave: yea, i should, doing it when I register my notebook. |
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| 15:17.32 | takatumi | sussudio: where's badgers? |
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| 15:18.12 | takatumi | caphuso: was thinking of doing it, got any good links? |
| 15:18.32 | rudson | hi |
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| 15:19.09 | caphuso | takatumi: huh? |
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| 15:19.19 | rudson | got some new questions now that i read the installation manual |
| 15:19.25 | sussudio | !hump takatumi |
| 15:19.31 | takatumi | caphuso: |
| 15:19.36 | takatumi | flashing the bios |
| 15:19.47 | sussudio | in soviet russia, BIOS flashes you |
| 15:19.53 | caphuso | takatumi: your motherboard manual might be a good start |
| 15:19.55 | takatumi | sussudio: ah. |
| 15:20.16 | takatumi | caphuso: will check, thanks. |
| 15:20.17 | thor- | asg: to test this as www-data I su to root and from root I su to www-data? then I paste the command /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f foo@bar.com -t. I am then able to start to write headers. |
| 15:20.19 | rudson | ... what partitions do you really need in fact to run debian well? |
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| 15:20.47 | timlarson_ | should I ask about ethereal from backports here or is there a better channel for that? |
| 15:20.50 | takatumi | rudson: just one large / will do as well. |
| 15:21.05 | caphuso | except swap |
| 15:21.10 | takatumi | true. |
| 15:21.17 | rudson | yeah but the install guide says it'll slow down with no swap |
| 15:21.18 | rudson | ... |
| 15:21.23 | asg | thor-: yes |
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| 15:21.39 | rudson | so do you need extra partitions for /home, ... |
| 15:21.41 | azreal | rudson: i usually like a / and /home, if OS related partition fails, it can be replaced without loseing any local stuff. |
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| 15:22.14 | thor- | asg: I have no clue as to what is wrong. Been using the phpmailer.class from sourceforge fpr over 2 years |
| 15:22.15 | azreal | rudson: if you want to lose important data, then yes make a one big / partition scenario. |
| 15:22.22 | rudson | so the others like extra ones for temp and var and user are kind of senseless? |
| 15:22.28 | caphuso | rudson: no |
| 15:22.35 | asg | thor-: anything at all in /var/log/exim/{main,reject,panic}log? |
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| 15:23.13 | azreal | rudson: for all practicality, yes. |
| 15:23.14 | PerfDave | ~tell GenetiX about msg |
| 15:23.22 | rudson | so whats better: as much as possible or as much as neede? |
| 15:23.34 | rudson | neede=>needed |
| 15:23.40 | timlarson_ | anybody have a working apt sources.list for ethereal from backports.org? FWIW, I have it working for mutt with: "deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable mutt" but similar for ethereal is saying: "Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org stable/ethereal Packages" |
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| 15:24.20 | PerfDave | Bah, apt is not replying in /msg |
| 15:24.36 | asg | PerfDave: badgers and ravenbird are here |
| 15:24.41 | takatumi | timlarson_: why not just move to sarge? is it a server? |
| 15:24.53 | timlarson_ | server, yes. |
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| 15:24.59 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: moron apt |
| 15:24.59 | timlarson_ | that is why. |
| 15:25.02 | ravenbird | apt: You are moron #49 |
| 15:25.18 | FieldySnuts | badgers: what are you |
| 15:25.19 | badgers | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 15:25.21 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 15:25.30 | timlarson_ | it will move to sarge later, but not yet. |
| 15:25.32 | FieldySnuts | badgers: lart ravenbird |
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| 15:25.36 | sussudio | !badger FieldySnuts |
| 15:25.36 | PerfDave | asg: That doesn't change the fact that apt is broken |
| 15:25.37 | badgers | FieldySnuts: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 15:25.53 | asg | PerfDave: apt has been awol for sometime. |
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| 15:25.58 | PerfDave | GenetiX: Type "/msg badgers nodm" in your IRC client |
| 15:26.02 | PerfDave | asg: More than dpkg? |
| 15:26.17 | sussudio | ~test |
| 15:26.18 | apt | Test Passed! |
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| 15:26.28 | asg | PerfDave: yes, dpkg was promoted as the prime bot when dondelelcaro started actively supporting it. |
| 15:26.36 | PerfDave | sussudio: Try that in /msg |
| 15:26.41 | thor- | asg: I found the error. <blush> It is in the "User error category" </blush> |
| 15:26.43 | FarrisG | I'm trying to install sarge on a machine with devices that need modules sarge netinst doesn't include. What's the recommended way to get those modules to the machine for the installation? |
| 15:26.54 | PerfDave | FarrisG: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 15:26.55 | asg | thor-: ah |
| 15:26.57 | si|vercat | what do I need for goobox to be able to encode as mp3 |
| 15:26.58 | thor- | asg: thanks for the input |
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| 15:27.02 | asg | thor-: you're welcome |
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| 15:27.35 | robertj_ | heya all, I've got a ppc box that does not play nice with X |
| 15:27.48 | asg | robertj_: try #debianppc |
| 15:27.54 | robertj_ | ahh |
| 15:28.10 | timlarson_ | what channel should I ask backports.org questions in? |
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| 15:31.45 | DebianTestr | Is Maildir better than MailBox? |
| 15:31.58 | caphuso | different |
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| 15:32.46 | jethro | !poll |
| 15:32.47 | badgers | You wanna poll me? You can't handle polling me! |
| 15:32.56 | DebianTestr | Im converting over to a virtual mail system and the old system is mailbox and the new is maildir |
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| 15:33.01 | DebianTestr | I think im screwed |
| 15:33.08 | caphuso | "virtual mail"? |
| 15:33.13 | panda | mailq lists me some frozen emails, how can i delete/flush them? |
| 15:33.18 | DebianTestr | exim4+mysql auth |
| 15:33.25 | cire | We have a Win2000 Domain Controller, and I want to add some linux machines. Is it easily possible to use it as authewntification server? |
| 15:33.32 | caphuso | DebianTestr: that doesn't require maildir |
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| 15:33.45 | DebianTestr | cire. i think it only works when win2000 uses non-crypt passwds |
| 15:33.46 | jethro | cire: yes |
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| 15:33.51 | caphuso | panda: exim{,4} -qff |
| 15:34.04 | panda | !mailq |
| 15:34.05 | cire | Do you know good howto's for this topic? |
| 15:34.16 | jethro | cire: did you google for it first? there are plenty of them |
| 15:34.16 | DebianTestr | so I should just change my config to mailbox then |
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| 15:35.03 | cire | because of there beeing plenty, I wanted to ask if you know which of those is good. ;) |
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| 15:35.13 | panda | help me with mailq |
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| 15:35.51 | caphuso | panda: are you stupid? |
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| 15:36.28 | FallOnMe | caphuso: do you actually think anyone would answer positively? |
| 15:36.41 | Nexans | where do i change the ip addr in debian? (i dont want to change it using ifconfig) |
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| 15:36.47 | jethro | Nexans: man interfaces |
| 15:36.49 | caphuso | FallOnMe: that's not the point :) |
| 15:37.04 | panda | mailq lists me some frozen emails, how can i delete/flush them? |
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| 15:37.31 | caphuso | let's see if he got it this time |
| 15:37.46 | Ronin | dont think you should hold your breath on that one caphuso |
| 15:38.54 | FallOnMe | caphuso: well you have a typo in the kick reason, it might not work for exim3. |
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| 15:39.22 | caphuso | FallOnMe: yeah, should have been a , |
| 15:39.26 | Blissex | caphuso: that was really really over the top |
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| 15:39.50 | caphuso | Blissex: exactly my opinion |
| 15:40.21 | panda | exim{.4} -qff? |
| 15:40.34 | FallOnMe | , instead of . |
| 15:40.42 | Delph | helix: Loud announcer says "fuck". |
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| 15:41.03 | helix | Delph: that's what it said? |
| 15:41.09 | Blissex | panda: consider the FAQ on http://WWW.exim.org/ |
| 15:41.11 | PerfDave | Is there a way to get mutt to re-read .muttrc without restarting? |
| 15:41.22 | panda | anyone spoke to me just now, i didn't see, plz re-past for me Blissex |
| 15:41.27 | helix | PerfDave: mutt takes like two seconds to start |
| 15:41.31 | Delph | helix: apparently. |
| 15:41.34 | helix | Delph: hahaha |
| 15:41.38 | Blissex | panda: and if you really feel doing some hard, exhausting, boring work 'man exim4' |
| 15:41.38 | FallOnMe | PerfDave: you could :source, but it's not the same thing. |
| 15:41.41 | helix | asuffield: see what Delph said |
| 15:41.42 | Blissex | panda: consider the FAQ on http://WWW.exim.org/ |
| 15:41.55 | PerfDave | helix: It takes longer to connect to the IMAPS server, do certificate foo, accept the password, yadda yadda. |
| 15:42.09 | helix | oh, that's annoying |
| 15:42.18 | helix | but I don't know of any way to get it to re-read .muttrc |
| 15:42.20 | PerfDave | helix: Oh, and it forgets my stupidly long GnuPG passphrase ;) |
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| 15:42.36 | helix | it should forget that immediately anyway |
| 15:42.45 | Blissex | helix: I think you can ''source'' the .muttrc again |
| 15:42.48 | PerfDave | helix: No, it caches it for an hour or so. |
| 15:43.11 | helix | PerfDave: that's bad practice. do you ask it to do that? |
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| 15:43.39 | PerfDave | helix: set pgp_timeout=14400 |
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| 15:43.46 | helix | why? |
| 15:43.51 | PerfDave | helix: Because it's convenient |
| 15:44.04 | PerfDave | Since my passphrase is longer than some of the e-mails I send ;) |
| 15:44.18 | helix | I know a security consultant who stores his private key on his webserver, mailserver, laptop, and workstation because it's "convenient" |
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| 15:44.26 | FallOnMe | helix: the only bad thing I can think of is if mutt gets swapped out and somebody steals the hard disk. |
| 15:44.27 | helix | this doesn't make it a good idea |
| 15:44.28 | helix | but whatever |
| 15:44.28 | c4_ | where are the damn #define for the damn agpgart damn!? |
| 15:44.37 | terpstra | Erg - I am trying to install on powerpc from DVD... I built a DVD from jigdo and it mostly works; it boots and can verify that the CD is not corrupt, but the kernel modules for filesystems won't load! -- it claims the version is wrong |
| 15:44.43 | terpstra | What can I do? |
| 15:45.07 | c4_ | where do i #define XXX_XXX_XXX 0x5833 for agpgart?, because: Linux agpgart interface v0.100 (c) Dave Jones agpgart: Unsupported Ati chipset (device id: 5833) |
| 15:45.16 | PerfDave | helix: *shrug* I'm the only user on the system, I'm the only one with root, I keep my system well patched. I think it's a good tradeoff between security and convenience. If I'm going AFK for a while, hitting Ctrl-F to force forgetting the passphrase is not exactly strenuous. |
| 15:45.39 | helix | ok |
| 15:45.47 | c4_ | fuck Dave hoochie mama! |
| 15:46.02 | rudson | ... again... |
| 15:46.38 | rudson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:47.03 | c4_ | hehe |
| 15:47.06 | asuffield | helix: ...why are you bothering me? :P |
| 15:47.29 | helix | asuffield: to make fun of your lack of japanese skills |
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| 15:47.41 | helix | but I'm done now, you can get back to ldapping or whatever |
| 15:47.52 | asuffield | helix: go and molest a cobra |
| 15:47.56 | zu22 | i just installed mysql and it makes me choose the root password |
| 15:48.04 | zu22 | anyway to run mysql server with no root passwd? |
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| 15:48.12 | helix | I need something that will put up more of a fight |
| 15:48.22 | rudson | how can i install certain fonts in debian` |
| 15:48.33 | c4_ | rudson: what is a sea bass |
| 15:48.57 | panda | what the hell how could i remove the emails in mailq list? |
| 15:48.58 | rudson | a fish i think... |
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| 15:49.11 | zu22 | rudson: are you a rude son? |
| 15:49.13 | asg | panda: what version of exim are your running? |
| 15:49.17 | panda | faq doesn't show me |
| 15:49.22 | Manny | hi |
| 15:49.24 | panda | asg exim4 i think |
| 15:49.29 | Manny | any news on GNOME 2.10/experimental|sid |
| 15:49.29 | asg | panda: you think? |
| 15:49.32 | rudson | http://www.yptenc.org.uk/docs/dailygecko_news/newsimages/news_images4/sea_bass.jpg |
| 15:49.41 | zu22 | heh |
| 15:49.41 | Manny | http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ is outdated |
| 15:49.45 | asg | panda: exim -qff or exim4 -qff (as caphuso said, a few times.) |
| 15:49.46 | panda | asg exim4 |
| 15:49.51 | c4_ | exim kicks ass like dukem nukem 3d |
| 15:50.09 | UglyP | hi everyone, i have a question (newbie alert) when i was installing debian i only opted to choose 2 screen resolutions to use, however now I would like to add some more. Is there a command or a file i can edit to get this sorted out? any help on the matter would be appreciated! |
| 15:50.16 | c4_ | pram pam param pam para pam pararararam |
| 15:50.43 | valdyn | UglyP: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:51.31 | panda | asg If one f flag is present, a delivery attempt is forced <~~ i don't want delivery, i wann cancel |
| 15:51.47 | UglyP | I've tried that command, and it asks me for an output option? |
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| 15:52.11 | c4_ | some kernel "guru"? |
| 15:52.19 | asg | panda: then use 'exim -Mg <message ids that show as frozen>' |
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| 15:52.38 | PerfDave | Gah! Fucking Firefox! |
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| 15:52.42 | panda | asg, many thinks |
| 15:52.45 | asg | panda: or -Mrm (if you don't want a cancellation message to spam you or others.) |
| 15:52.51 | valdyn | UglyP: it asks you the same stuff that it asked when you installed debian |
| 15:53.01 | panda | asg, this is what i need, thanks again |
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| 15:53.19 | valdyn | UglyP: oh - maybe not, paste the error in #flood |
| 15:53.29 | c4_ | ill burn all world pillows |
| 15:53.47 | rudson | zu22: no I'm a son that should be enough |
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| 15:53.58 | neron | some kernel "guru"? |
| 15:53.59 | UglyP | ok will do |
| 15:54.01 | Plastic | hmm.. problems again... |
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| 15:54.36 | neron | come on...! |
| 15:54.47 | Plastic | I want to install debconf-utils, but I happened to install debconf-il8n before, and that conflicts with debconf-utils |
| 15:54.57 | LeBear | Question: Can grub boot when its files are on a cramfs partition? can grub read cramfs? |
| 15:55.20 | azreal | neron: you have to call a 900 # for that i think. |
| 15:55.21 | Guest74523 | Hi, I have tried to build the ipw2200 driver 1.0.1, under the 2.6.11 kernel, but I only receive a lot of error messages |
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| 15:55.31 | Plastic | however, if I remove debconf-il8n with aptitude or synaptic, it also wants to remove a whole load of other packages which depend on devconf |
| 15:55.42 | valdyn | UglyP: you didnt run the command i told you to run. Cut & paste should fix that |
| 15:55.55 | neron | Jack_it: kenda errors? |
| 15:55.58 | Plastic | Is there a good way to just remove devconf-il8n without removing the packages that depend on it? |
| 15:56.03 | neron | Jack_it: what kinda errors? |
| 15:56.30 | azreal | UglyP: dpkg-reconfigure is a separate command. |
| 15:56.40 | Jack_it | compilation errors, much many screens of errors! |
| 15:57.04 | UglyP | oh ok, sorry if i wasted your time guys. Very new to linux and debian! |
| 15:57.11 | takatumi | * ^From.*abc.com to match all mail from abc.com in .procmailrc, is this right? |
| 15:57.34 | LeBear | including the : wouldn't be bad.. but that'd work |
| 15:57.42 | takatumi | thanks. |
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| 15:57.51 | LeBear | ^From: .*@abc.com |
| 15:57.59 | caphuso | it'll also match From: abcecom@imaspammer.org |
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| 15:58.36 | LeBear | or From Monday to Friday we will be hosting abc.com semianrs. Show up or you're fired. |
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| 15:59.01 | caphuso | better use something like ^From:[<space><tab>].*abc\.com |
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| 15:59.26 | LeBear | Does the procmail regexs understand \s ? |
| 15:59.35 | caphuso | LeBear: don't think so |
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| 15:59.39 | St0n3-C0l | If you lose your Debian Boot Loader by installing Windo*s XP...then whatz the method to get it back ? |
| 15:59.52 | caphuso | St0n3-C0l: boot with a rescue disk of some sort |
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| 16:00.01 | asg | St0n3-C0l: boot from a rescue or install disc, chroot into your system, rerun lilo or grub-install |
| 16:00.04 | caphuso | your installation CD, for example |
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| 16:00.51 | St0n3-C0l | wait a minute |
| 16:00.56 | St0n3-C0l | i've Debian CD |
| 16:00.58 | asg | sleep 60 |
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| 16:01.16 | cire | I want to unmount a busy device. How may I find out, which process uses it? |
| 16:01.19 | St0n3-C0l | I tried but all its say is Enter to boot the installation system |
| 16:01.22 | asg | cire: fuser, lsof |
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| 16:01.35 | St0n3-C0l | cire: Just close every link from it |
| 16:01.38 | asg | St0n3-C0l: when you get to the first prompt after doing that, use ALT+F2 to get a shell |
| 16:01.49 | St0n3-C0l | ahan then ? |
| 16:02.02 | St0n3-C0l | chroot to ?? |
| 16:02.11 | asg | St0n3-C0l: mount your system 's / and /boot partitions, chroot to it, use lilo or grub-install |
| 16:02.24 | St0n3-C0l | grub-install /dev/hda |
| 16:02.25 | St0n3-C0l | right ? |
| 16:02.39 | St0n3-C0l | chroot / |
| 16:02.39 | asg | St0n3-C0l: most likely |
| 16:02.42 | St0n3-C0l | chroot /boot |
| 16:02.51 | asg | St0n3-C0l: no |
| 16:02.51 | St0n3-C0l | like this ? |
| 16:02.57 | asg | St0n3-C0l: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 16:03.03 | St0n3-C0l | nap |
| 16:03.09 | St0n3-C0l | its a directory in / |
| 16:03.10 | asg | St0n3-C0l: then just mount / and chroot / |
| 16:03.15 | St0n3-C0l | okay |
| 16:03.19 | St0n3-C0l | thanks :) |
| 16:03.27 | St0n3-C0l | my Windo*s hanging my whole system |
| 16:03.31 | St0n3-C0l | from couple of days |
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| 16:03.41 | azreal | St0n3-C0l: it would probably be easier, and less effort, if you just use the install cd, and pass root=/dev/hd* to the kernel, then you can fix whatever problem |
| 16:03.45 | St0n3-C0l | just formatted and nothing is happenin |
| 16:04.08 | FieldySnuts | @flame St0n3-C0l |
| 16:04.10 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 16:04.13 | FieldySnuts | er |
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| 16:04.49 | dhuv | hello all |
| 16:04.52 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You have been hit too many times by the backlash of that not to have known that... :) |
| 16:04.52 | St0n3-C0l | didn't get ya |
| 16:04.53 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
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| 16:04.58 | St0n3-C0l | azreal |
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| 16:05.30 | St0n3-C0l | brb |
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| 16:06.08 | FieldySnuts | Phated: not with @flame , i forgot or never knew. it was @hack that i know about |
| 16:06.10 | azreal | St0n3-C0l: when the installer tells you to press enter, or whatever, type "linux root=/dev/hd*" <ENTER> where * is the letter of your root partition |
| 16:06.20 | azreal | grr |
| 16:06.22 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Fair enough. :) |
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| 16:06.28 | azreal | why do i bother... |
| 16:06.37 | asg | azreal: I'm sure he'll be back |
| 16:06.42 | dhuv | drac: i found out why i had that problem. it was because i had the fs as a module and my kernel is having issues loading modules |
| 16:06.58 | azreal | asg: yeah, probably |
| 16:06.59 | dhuv | when i type lsmod i get QM Modules ... |
| 16:07.06 | asg | !qm_modules |
| 16:07.06 | badgers | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 16:07.15 | takatumi | caphuso: added * ^From:[ ]., but why the <space><tab>? |
| 16:07.29 | FieldySnuts | badgers: I love you |
| 16:07.30 | badgers | The feeling's not mutual |
| 16:07.33 | FieldySnuts | ... |
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| 16:07.40 | dhuv | I have seen lots of posts on google about this but no answers, does anyone know what the problem can be if you compile your own 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:07.40 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 16:07.43 | takatumi | !pal FieldySnuts |
| 16:07.46 | azreal | hey is donateing to freenode a tax write off? |
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| 16:07.52 | caphuso | takatumi: because if i had typed a literal space and a literal tab you wouldn't have seen it |
| 16:07.54 | asg | dhuv: 2.6 kernels and woody don't go well together |
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| 16:08.15 | takatumi | caphuso: no, no, i understand why you typed it that way, but why match that? |
| 16:08.16 | asg | azreal: most likey, yes. Check their policy to see if they comply with non-profit regulations |
| 16:08.16 | dhuv | asg: i have sarge |
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| 16:08.26 | azreal | i found that if i donate some money now that i will waste anyways, i will get a larger tax return when i need it later. |
| 16:08.29 | asg | dhuv: do you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 16:08.46 | caphuso | takatumi: to match "From:<space>" and "From:<tab>" |
| 16:08.48 | azreal | asg: im pretty sure they do. |
| 16:09.08 | drac | dhuv: change them from modules to buildin (to be more clear, M -> Y or *) or use initrd. |
| 16:09.10 | asg | azreal: it's too late to donate for this year's returns anyway |
| 16:09.10 | takatumi | caphuso: ah, danke :) |
| 16:09.42 | Space_NL | oke, so i got x running .. mouse working .. but for the scroll function .. i selected a generic scroll mouse in the x config .. what could have gone wrong ? the mouse is a ps/2 mouse from trust |
| 16:09.44 | azreal | asg: i know, im talking about next years return |
| 16:09.48 | asg | azreal: ah |
| 16:09.54 | dhuv | drac: so that is something that I have to put in the make-kpkg command right? |
| 16:10.19 | dhuv | asg: i dont have it installed, but is this necessary with 2.6 only? can i do what drac suggests? |
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| 16:10.38 | St0n3-C0l | asg: you said press ALT+F2 after booting the cd |
| 16:10.39 | asg | dhuv: if you want to use lsmod et. al., you need it |
| 16:10.43 | asg | St0n3-C0l: yes |
| 16:10.45 | St0n3-C0l | nothing happened |
| 16:10.59 | asg | St0n3-C0l: did you get a blank screen that said 'hit enter to get a shell' ? |
| 16:11.05 | St0n3-C0l | and F2 gives the requirements to install Debian System |
| 16:11.05 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 16:11.06 | dhuv | asg: why dont i need it with 2.4? was it not a requirement? |
| 16:11.17 | asg | St0n3-C0l: after you boot into the installer, not at the boot prompt |
| 16:11.26 | asg | dhuv: different interface iirc |
| 16:11.31 | azreal | St0n3-C0l: when the installer tells you to press enter, or whatever, type "linux root=/dev/hd*" <ENTER> where * is the letter of your root partition |
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| 16:12.11 | St0n3-C0l | nah |
| 16:12.14 | torbjorn | im traversing a domain lookup, starting on top, down to what i intended to be the NS for my domain. seems however that the chain stops at my isp's |
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| 16:12.18 | St0n3-C0l | ohh |
| 16:12.29 | torbjorn | what kind of record do i need to have "up there" to be master of my domain? |
| 16:12.31 | slushpupie | anyone happen to know if bind9 $GENERATE statements can be nested? |
| 16:12.32 | St0n3-C0l | alright :) |
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| 16:12.47 | asg | torbjorn: has someone delegated that domain to your nameservers? |
| 16:12.47 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 16:12.59 | asg | slushpupie: #dns |
| 16:13.05 | slushpupie | asg: thanks |
| 16:13.14 | azreal | torbjorn: you need a 33, of "Best Motown Hits of the 70's" |
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| 16:13.16 | amorphix | has anyone managed to get reasonably priced indemnity insurance for server? |
| 16:13.24 | torbjorn | :) |
| 16:13.34 | asg | amorphix: why would anyone do that? |
| 16:13.36 | torbjorn | asg: I have one of these control panel thingies |
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| 16:13.43 | torbjorn | in it, i assigned SOA and NS records for the domain |
| 16:13.53 | amorphix | asg: to protect against fraud/attacks? |
| 16:13.57 | torbjorn | but seems when i traverse from the top, the isp name servers wont point to my intended domain servers |
| 16:14.01 | asg | torbjorn: it usually takes a little time. |
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| 16:14.12 | torbjorn | well its been a few months |
| 16:14.38 | amorphix | i've had a quote by the premium was $20,000 |
| 16:14.38 | Space_NL | not anyone who can tell me how i should enter my mouse into the xfree config ? |
| 16:14.44 | LeBear | Reequestion: Can grub boot when its files are on a cramfs partition? |
| 16:14.47 | amorphix | seems insurance companies dont wanna touch Internet businesses |
| 16:14.49 | asg | torbjorn: then I'd contact the helpdesk of whatever company provides the 'panel' you referred to and ask them. |
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| 16:16.01 | asg | amorphix: you might ask on the debian-legal mailing list. |
| 16:16.13 | PoolPool | hello guys! |
| 16:16.33 | greycat | !wikifaq * Permissions |
| 16:16.34 | badgers | *: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:16.52 | PoolPool | im having problem connecting with my DSL |
| 16:17.03 | asg | greycat: ah, cool |
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| 16:17.41 | PoolPool | i have 2 nic cards eth0 is for the internet and eth1 for the intranet |
| 16:17.44 | asg | greycat: O_o if people don't understand them after reading that treatise, there is no help for them. |
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| 16:18.02 | greycat | asg: gives us an excuse to use the extra-hard cluebats. |
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| 16:18.33 | asg | greycat: yeah, did you include anything on extended acls or should that be put on a different page. |
| 16:18.42 | amorphix | asg: thanks |
| 16:18.44 | PoolPool | do i have to set the eth0 as dhcp? |
| 16:18.48 | greycat | asg: I don't even *know* that stuff ;-) |
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| 16:19.16 | asg | greycat: I'll cook something up (chattr and the *facl support) then |
| 16:19.18 | stew | PoolPool: certainly not |
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| 16:19.24 | greycat | PoolPool: most DSL uses PPPOE, not DHCP |
| 16:19.36 | stew | PoolPool: oh wait, eth0 is internet, then ask your isp |
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| 16:20.08 | PoolPool | its dynamic and not static |
| 16:20.12 | takatumi | the new frontpage for the wikifaq is really good. |
| 16:20.17 | cadu | greycat: there is some dsl that uses DCHP ? |
| 16:20.23 | greycat | DHCP and PPPOE can both be dynamic |
| 16:20.24 | cadu | greycat: some provider |
| 16:20.24 | torbjorn | right, thanks |
| 16:20.31 | greycat | cadu: probably. I don't know of any off hand. |
| 16:20.34 | asg | takatumi: we just need to make sure that tarzeau is doing backups ;) |
| 16:20.46 | cadu | greycat: yeah , but dhcp would bring the things to the ethernet , nor a PPP encapsulation ;D |
| 16:20.50 | takatumi | asg: yes :) |
| 16:21.04 | cadu | greycat: maybe you could do some cool quake3 gaming as you were on a big big lan ? ;-) |
| 16:21.31 | cadu | poll: what's a rootkit :llop |
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| 16:21.36 | cadu | ?? |
| 16:21.51 | PoolPool | ok thanks guys |
| 16:21.55 | azreal | hey, what was the prog that let you kill processes with the doom interface? |
| 16:22.05 | tarzeau | asg: of what? |
| 16:22.07 | tarzeau | dpkg backups |
| 16:22.15 | tarzeau | apt backups |
| 16:22.17 | apt | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other me's in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other me's in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. |
| 16:22.28 | takatumi | tarzeau: the #debian faq. |
| 16:22.56 | tarzeau | takatumi: me? backups? you must be kidding |
| 16:23.00 | directhex | azreal, psdoom? |
| 16:23.03 | takatumi | tarzeau: :) |
| 16:23.10 | greycat | haha |
| 16:23.13 | asg | tarzeau: I don't think greycat wants to write the Permissions bit again |
| 16:23.17 | greycat | ~factinfo backups |
| 16:23.17 | apt | backups -- created by Zxcvb <msmustdie@illvtn07.one-eleven.net> at Mon Nov 13 01:37:56 2000 (1579 days); last modified at Sat Nov 30 13:46:42 2002 by tarzeau!~tar@dclient217-162-4-59.hispeed.ch; it has been requested 18 times, last by tarzeau, 1m 1s ago. |
| 16:23.23 | azreal | directhex: yeah, that was it, thanx |
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| 16:24.43 | calin | This is a general linux question but, does anyone know where I can find a list of First Person Shooter games that have been ported to linux by the origionating company? |
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| 16:25.42 | directhex | calin, by the actual originating company? all id software games, and unreal tournament 200* |
| 16:26.06 | azreal | calin: try the game tome at http://www.happypenguin.org/ |
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| 16:26.18 | directhex | several more by people under contract to the original company |
| 16:26.36 | directhex | well. by ryan gordon, at least |
| 16:26.41 | FieldySnuts | beware of any done by icculus, usually work though |
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| 16:26.44 | directhex | which is basically the same thing |
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| 16:26.55 | argonel|work | is sarge-i386-netinst.iso known to work? |
| 16:27.07 | greycat | argonel|work: depends on which one. |
| 16:27.17 | greycat | rc2 is known to work. |
| 16:27.27 | directhex | rc2 worked for me this morning |
| 16:27.55 | directhex | every release after beta 3 worked for me, actually. |
| 16:28.12 | argonel|work | yes, thats the one. it complains that the packages file is corrupt, and has subsequently has no option to install anything |
| 16:28.38 | directhex | bad burn. |
| 16:28.55 | argonel|work | i checked the md5sums on the cd, md5sum -c md5sum.txt and lots fail, but md5sum -b -c md5sum.txt just shows missing files |
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| 16:29.50 | kpanik | see you dudes ! |
| 16:29.59 | directhex | i have a cd burnt from that iso right by my hand. it works fine. the problem's at your end. |
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| 16:31.06 | leOn | hmmm.. dpkg is out on vacation ? |
| 16:31.09 | Space_NL | I CAN SCROLL!!!! *bows* |
| 16:31.31 | takatumi | 2004-08-04 13:15 /suse/root/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso, this is the only iso I've burnt since moving to debian. |
| 16:31.42 | takatumi | actually to move to debian as well. |
| 16:31.45 | argonel|work | is it correct to check with -b or without? |
| 16:32.03 | stew | leOn: yes, use ravenbird | badgers | apt |
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| 16:32.14 | leOn | i'm looking for the sarge set of isos, but can't seem to find the link |
| 16:32.23 | leOn | not netinst |
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| 16:32.37 | takatumi | leOn: why do you need them? |
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| 16:33.29 | stew | leOn: debian.org/CD |
| 16:33.38 | leOn | some bitchy dual amd box... netinst doesn't have the network card driver (and a bunch of others too) |
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| 16:33.53 | directhex | !d-i leOn |
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| 16:33.54 | badgers | leOn, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 16:34.49 | leOn | hurray |
| 16:34.52 | leOn | thanks guys =) |
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| 16:35.00 | takatumi | leOn: or http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/rc2/i386/ |
| 16:35.32 | leOn | only through jigdo ? |
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| 16:35.43 | St0n3-C0l | asg: When I type on Boot screen "linux root=/dev/hda6" it gives kernel panic and after getting into the installer and pressing ALT+F2 nothing happens when I type "chroot /" |
| 16:35.47 | danini | alguien usa arrakis? |
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| 16:36.00 | leOn | i remember seing some iso images for download .. just can't remember where .. |
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| 16:36.43 | abrotman | portuguese? |
| 16:36.58 | leOn | abrotman: buh |
| 16:36.59 | asg | St0n3-C0l: for your first question, ask azreal. For the second, you must first mount your / filesystem somewhere (mount /dev/hdaX /mnt ; chroot /mnt) |
| 16:37.00 | leOn | =) |
| 16:37.13 | abrotman | leon: not you .. danini |
| 16:37.20 | takatumi | leOn: they don't seem to be available now. except for netinstall and businesscard. |
| 16:37.23 | St0n3-C0l | ohh like this |
| 16:37.31 | St0n3-C0l | God.. |
| 16:37.38 | St0n3-C0l | Thanks once again |
| 16:37.45 | St0n3-C0l | my brain is locked now |
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| 16:37.55 | St0n3-C0l | atm* :P |
| 16:37.59 | St0n3-C0l | ehe |
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| 16:38.05 | Space_NL | oke .. can i have 1 or more programs start up when i start up X ? (like the hotkeys program for my keyboard ?) |
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| 16:38.11 | St0n3-C0l | brb |
| 16:38.12 | danini | i need use my smtp server in arrakis but they have restriction rules for the incoming ip |
| 16:38.24 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 16:38.25 | badgers | well, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:38.37 | leOn | abrotman: he spoke spanish, not portuguese |
| 16:38.38 | leOn | =) |
| 16:39.08 | ACiDC0re | lol =) |
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| 16:39.52 | takatumi | archivemail is nice. |
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| 16:40.58 | azreal | grr, fedex is trying to be sneaky with there scans, so that they dont have to deliver my hard drive today. |
| 16:41.13 | cadu | abrotman: ;-) não consegue distinguir portugues de espanhol? / can't you distinguish portuguese from spanish ? |
| 16:41.32 | azreal | 2 day air, allways seems to turn into 4 day air, or "whenever we feel like it air" |
| 16:41.49 | abrotman | leon: that's why i asked .. jeez |
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| 16:42.54 | takatumi | {?' |
| 16:43.32 | emacsen | Will AMD64 get its own arch? |
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| 16:43.50 | leOn | argh ... i'm going to have a stroke |
| 16:43.53 | visual_ | hi |
| 16:43.58 | visual_ | could anyone please help me out? |
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| 16:44.02 | visual_ | i really wish to install debian |
| 16:44.06 | emacsen | leOn you best call an ambulance |
| 16:44.06 | leOn | geting an iso right now ... ETA is 2hours |
| 16:44.06 | visual_ | but im lacking few things |
| 16:44.17 | visual_ | im from estonia and i cant really understand all from website |
| 16:44.18 | abrotman | cadu: i can sometimes .. not always |
| 16:44.18 | Taraxacum | what things? |
| 16:44.25 | azreal | visual_: a brain? |
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| 16:44.27 | emacsen | Taraxacum: a computer |
| 16:44.41 | Taraxacum | enough with smartasses today thank you |
| 16:44.43 | thorie | how do I add someone to a group? |
| 16:44.47 | visual_ | well im lacking some possibilites |
| 16:44.48 | daffy-pkf | lo |
| 16:44.51 | visual_ | i need someone to talk with |
| 16:44.54 | visual_ | who knows good about debian |
| 16:44.58 | thorie | do i use adduser or addgroup? |
| 16:45.02 | emacsen | thorie: either edit /etc/groups or use usermod |
| 16:45.07 | azreal | !tell visual_ about ask |
| 16:45.08 | Taraxacum | well i can help ya in private |
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| 16:45.22 | abrotman | !tell visual_ about why debian |
| 16:45.44 | Taraxacum | ! tell az and abrotman about spam |
| 16:45.49 | abrotman | where's that other guy from estonia |
| 16:45.51 | Taraxacum | hehe |
| 16:45.56 | abrotman | who spammed anyone |
| 16:45.58 | abrotman | idiot |
| 16:46.00 | cahoot | thorie: use vigr |
| 16:46.10 | visual_ | can i install debian while having 1 floppy diskette, and 3GB HDD with 2GB free and currently running windows 98? |
| 16:46.10 | thorie | if i use usermod with the -G option and accidentally forget to specify a group that the user used to be a member of, he will be removed? is there a way I can just add? |
| 16:46.10 | Taraxacum | love you too abrotman |
| 16:46.20 | visual_ | i would like to boot from floppy and then download rest files |
| 16:46.24 | visual_ | i got ultrafast internet tho |
| 16:46.38 | Taraxacum | you need atleast 3 floppy discs i think |
| 16:46.40 | directhex | visual_, can you find 2 more floppy disks? |
| 16:46.56 | emacsen | visual_: how about USB? |
| 16:46.58 | visual_ | tomorrow yes, but i wanted to start downloading today:( |
| 16:47.01 | visual_ | no usb here |
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| 16:47.12 | visual_ | but can i download without floppies? |
| 16:47.21 | directhex | without floopies, or cd, or usb? |
| 16:47.21 | thorie | is there a way to apply the changes i made to /etc/group so that my user is in the group, without having to log-off and log-on again? because i dont want to kill my session |
| 16:47.26 | visual_ | yes directhex |
| 16:47.26 | emacsen | visual_: the problem is what to boot off of |
| 16:47.34 | directhex | so, a rube goldberg install? |
| 16:47.43 | Taraxacum | you can install base system and then configure the network so you can be on the net, then download all the packages online |
| 16:47.45 | visual_ | well, i install it on win98, then i make partition for it? |
| 16:48.07 | TheBlueWizard | visual_: you can download the base package onto Win98 partition (as a one big file), then create a few floppies to boot from... |
| 16:48.07 | visual_ | Taraxacum ok, could you please explain me a bit more about it? |
| 16:48.08 | emacsen | visual_: what do you mean install it on win98? |
| 16:48.13 | emacsen | TheBlueWizard: heya |
| 16:48.15 | visual_ | how much free HDD does debian need at all |
| 16:48.19 | Taraxacum | sure |
| 16:48.22 | TheBlueWizard | hiya emacsen |
| 16:48.25 | Taraxacum | msg me in private |
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| 16:48.32 | directhex | visual_, minimum,, about 190mb |
| 16:48.39 | visual_ | oh then its ok |
| 16:48.44 | directhex | visual_, somewhat more if you want x, or kde, or gnome |
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| 16:49.40 | TheBlueWizard | visual_: it is easiest if you have an extra hard drive to install Debian onto...in fact my machine has two hard drives, one a wWin95 and one a Debian |
| 16:49.53 | TheBlueWizard | so I can dual boot |
| 16:50.00 | calin | MorNiNg! |
| 16:50.07 | visual_ | yeah lacking these |
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| 16:50.54 | ufk | for java support in firefox, which package do i need to install? |
| 16:51.07 | visual_ | the java package:/ |
| 16:51.16 | directhex | ufk, sun's java. |
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| 16:51.42 | archpollux | hello |
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| 16:52.03 | ufk | directhex, apt-cache search sun java doesn't show me anything |
| 16:52.07 | archpollux | how come parted still says about ext3 that it has incompatible features? |
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| 16:52.15 | ufk | is there a j2sdk java plugin? |
| 16:52.16 | directhex | ufk, it wouldn't. sun's license forbids its inclusion in debian |
| 16:52.19 | archpollux | ufk: cuz it's not open source |
| 16:52.19 | aidehua | Piss off you spamming bastard JlgNXnA. |
| 16:52.30 | ufk | really? |
| 16:52.33 | abrotman | kline JlgNXnA please |
| 16:52.35 | ufk | i remember i could add something to make.conf to install it |
| 16:52.48 | archpollux | ufk: check out blackdown.org |
| 16:52.54 | directhex | ufk, install java-package, download a jre installer .bin file from java.sun.com, and run 'mpkg-j2se thefileyougot.bin' |
| 16:53.10 | directhex | ufk, make.conf? #gentoo is that way --> |
| 16:53.13 | ufk | whoops |
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| 16:53.20 | ufk | my mistake i use gentoo and i ask for my friend under debian |
| 16:53.23 | emacsen | ufk: Debian != Gentoo |
| 16:53.31 | ufk | i ment sources.list :) |
| 16:53.49 | directhex | ufk, you've had the correct answer. |
| 16:54.03 | argonel|work | so i've done a second burn on of the same image, it still fails. the image passes md5sum. the files on the cd may, or may not |
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| 16:54.21 | hacim | anyone know of a way to see what site in a virtual web setup is doing a lot of traffic at any given moment (not post facto weblog anlysis) |
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| 16:54.39 | emacsen | hacim: sure, a few ways: |
| 16:54.44 | thorie | how do i add a new mirror to apt sources.list? |
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| 16:54.53 | emacsen | hacim: you could do real time analysis of the logs (named pipes are your friend) |
| 16:54.59 | argonel|work | any ops? JlgNXnA is spamming on join |
| 16:55.02 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: whats a matter? |
| 16:55.11 | jim | thorie: using any text editor... man 5 sources.list |
| 16:55.13 | hacim | emacsen: hmm how would I do that? |
| 16:55.16 | emacsen | hacim: you could also probably get Apache to tell you with an appropriate module |
| 16:55.17 | jim | you can also try apt-setup |
| 16:55.24 | thorie | jim: i don't know any mirrors |
| 16:55.27 | calin | !op JlgNXnA is spamming on join |
| 16:55.27 | badgers | okay, calin |
| 16:55.28 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: trying to install the sarge-netinst.iso. it complains the image is no good, but i can't find a way to verify this |
| 16:55.35 | calin | o.0 |
| 16:55.43 | directhex | calin, ops, not op |
| 16:55.44 | calin | new op command? or did i need a :? |
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| 16:55.46 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: would this be on a laptop? |
| 16:55.49 | calin | !ops JlgNXnA is spamming on join |
| 16:55.49 | jim | thorie: where might a list of them be? |
| 16:55.50 | badgers | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: JlgNXnA is spamming on join |
| 16:55.52 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit; nope |
| 16:55.53 | thorie | jim: is there a mirror detection system for debian, that pings all the mirrors and returns the fastest one? |
| 16:55.53 | calin | there ya goez |
| 16:55.55 | calin | :P |
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| 16:55.57 | Quinn_Storm | argonel|work: did you compare the md5sum against the one on the site? |
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| 16:55.58 | jim | thorie: where might a list of them be? |
| 16:56.03 | calin | root, hehehe |
| 16:56.04 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: what are you burning the iso with? |
| 16:56.07 | argonel|work | Quinn_Storm: for the iso, yes |
| 16:56.09 | directhex | thorie, apt-spy |
| 16:56.15 | emacsen | hacim: well, off the top of my head, you have your virtual site's log... run tail -f against that- then grab out the data you need (awk maybe your friend) and generate your stats in a {Python|Perl} script? |
| 16:56.19 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: heh "prassie primo" |
| 16:56.33 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: but it worked for knoppix. |
| 16:56.46 | jim | thorie: where might you start in your search for a mirror? |
| 16:56.48 | Madkiss | Hi all. Can somebody recommend me a USB-WLAN-adapter (54MBit) that works nicely together with Linux? |
| 16:56.51 | thorie | no idea |
| 16:57.03 | calin | Eh? |
| 16:57.09 | directhex | Madkiss, Ralink provide GPL'd drivers for their Rt2x00 802.11g chipset |
| 16:57.17 | *** kick/#debian [calin!lorez@lorez.staff.freenode] by LoRez (LoRez) |
| 16:57.20 | jim | thorie: did you know debian has a web site? |
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| 16:57.29 | calin | .... What was that for? |
| 16:57.33 | argonel|work | Quinn_Storm: the iso passes, but you can run `md5sum -b -c md5sum.txt` or `md5sum -c md5sum.txt`.. a few files fail and serveral are missing one way, or many fail the other way |
| 16:57.35 | LoRez | for bogus !ops use |
| 16:57.37 | Madkiss | directhex: That seems to be unavailable in the EU |
| 16:57.38 | Snowdog | What is this... web site... you speak of |
| 16:57.52 | calin | SOmeone said it before me, I wasn't bogus'ing at all |
| 16:57.54 | thorie | i've got to launch a web browser, just to get a list of sites? damn |
| 16:57.54 | jim | Snowdog: it's for spiders |
| 16:58.00 | calin | I just reported it with !ops |
| 16:58.03 | directhex | Madkiss, i got some older 802.11b cards from pc world with ralink chips |
| 16:58.10 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: tried burning them in cmdline with cdrecord? |
| 16:58.10 | Madkiss | hm |
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| 16:58.20 | calin | "<argonel|work> any ops? JlgNXnA is spamming on join" |
| 16:58.23 | AleY | hallo |
| 16:58.26 | directhex | thorie, are you retarded? apt-spy to fish for the fastest mirror. apt-setup to pick one by hand |
| 16:58.34 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: well, no.. that would be quite a bit up hoop-jumping |
| 16:58.39 | argonel|work | s/up/of |
| 16:58.45 | AleY | i kann not englisch speaken |
| 16:58.48 | LoRez | calin: and it was killed off the network before you actually used !ops |
| 16:58.49 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: as some apps when they burn can use a different filesystem & the md5sums will still match but the bios want boot correctly with them |
| 16:58.52 | calin | !de |
| 16:58.53 | badgers | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 16:59.04 | AleY | fuck |
| 16:59.10 | calin | LoRez: well then, I didn't know that. |
| 16:59.11 | jim | thorie: The inventor of lisp says: "You cannot explain anything to a rock" |
| 16:59.18 | AleY | aha |
| 16:59.19 | archpollux | fuck is an english word |
| 16:59.20 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: it boots fine, the installer just complains that sums fail and then fails to provide the option to install anything |
| 16:59.21 | AleY | sehr interssant |
| 16:59.21 | elsanto | Hi guys |
| 16:59.23 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: example burn with cdrecord -- cdrecord -vv -dao -speed=4 -dev=/dev/cdrom1 -driveropts=burnproof cd.iso |
| 16:59.28 | elsanto | i am from venezuela |
| 16:59.32 | archpollux | :P |
| 16:59.34 | AleY | toll |
| 16:59.35 | jim | archpollux: acronym actually |
| 16:59.35 | calin | congrats |
| 16:59.35 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: try that out |
| 16:59.37 | elsanto | and need buy a box of debian sarge |
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| 16:59.44 | FieldySnuts | can I get a crate? |
| 16:59.46 | elsanto | anybody can helpme in this ¿? |
| 16:59.50 | calin | jim: fuck is an acronym? |
| 16:59.55 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: as i said, the requires me to boot knoppix and install a second cd-rom |
| 16:59.56 | jim | calin: yes |
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| 17:00.02 | Space_NL | how can i make the program hotkeys start up when i log in to X ? |
| 17:00.02 | calin | jim: for what? |
| 17:00.02 | argonel|work | s/the/that |
| 17:00.13 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: why |
| 17:00.15 | jim | "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" |
| 17:00.21 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 17:00.25 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: because i'm on windows nt with only one drive :) |
| 17:00.27 | EdibleText | elsanto, you want to purchase a computer with sarge preinstalled ? |
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| 17:00.35 | calin | jim: hahaha |
| 17:00.38 | calin | AIght i'm off to eat |
| 17:00.40 | jim | from what I understand it's military in origin |
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| 17:00.46 | Snowdog | elsanto: where's the fun in that |
| 17:00.49 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: Ah well now that is a pickle to be in.. |
| 17:00.54 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: aye |
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| 17:01.19 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: and with no one apparently capable of telling me whether to use -b or not, i guess i'll install suse or something :) |
| 17:01.20 | directhex | hometine |
| 17:01.37 | FlopsyPete | I'm trying to reset a root password for someone whose lost it. on my own Debian system I tried it out first and it was straight forward. on the other person's Ubuntu system /etc/shadow has 'root:*:' - what does this mean? |
| 17:01.45 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: what bout using Cygwin to use cdrecord in windows!? |
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| 17:01.55 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: hmm, thats a though |
| 17:01.58 | argonel|work | t |
| 17:02.14 | argonel|work | WhiteRabbit: i'll give that a shot. |
| 17:02.16 | argonel|work | bbl |
| 17:02.22 | WhiteRabbit | argonel|work: gl |
| 17:02.28 | jim | FlopsyPete: that they do something different? :) |
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| 17:03.31 | FlopsyPete | jim: is that another way of saying 'go to #ubuntu?' |
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| 17:04.04 | jim | FlopsyPete: no, but if you don't find out here, that might be a good resource... having said that, I' |
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| 17:04.35 | jim | m not sure why they are using something different... maybe they removed pam for being too complex or something |
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| 17:05.40 | emacsen | jim: I can't imagine anyone removing pam... pam's kinda important :) |
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| 17:06.04 | pruz | #join #phpnuke |
| 17:06.07 | FlopsyPete | I'll ask in #ubuntu and let you know what I find out |
| 17:06.10 | ARCh1V1St | why does makedev return "don't know how to make device 'ttyUSB0'? |
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| 17:06.18 | ARCh1V1St | when runng MAKEDEV ttyusb0 in the dev dir |
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| 17:06.47 | alexissoft | hi |
| 17:06.52 | ARCh1V1St | hello |
| 17:06.54 | elsanto | Snowdog, the stupid companies of my country request to me original products in box |
| 17:07.03 | alexissoft | there is a problem with php4-domxml package |
| 17:07.12 | alexissoft | he don't want to parse any XML files |
| 17:07.14 | alexissoft | (in sarge) |
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| 17:07.32 | alexissoft | i was forced to downgrade to dotdeb packages |
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| 17:08.16 | takatumi | alexissoft: checked bts? |
| 17:08.32 | elsanto | Snowdog, I conserve and always gnu will conserve filosophy and the culture to hacker but requests of the clients is this |
| 17:08.34 | alexissoft | no |
| 17:08.38 | alexissoft | i wanted to |
| 17:08.39 | ARCh1V1St | has anyone had success using a Holux GR230 GPS with gpsd? |
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| 17:08.53 | alexissoft | but I always go to irc and say it :) |
| 17:08.56 | alexissoft | (before) |
| 17:09.02 | takatumi | alexissoft: if a bug ain't already filed, fine one. |
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| 17:09.09 | takatumi | s/fine/file |
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| 17:10.16 | _sadrack_ | hi people, i can't hear midi files in my PC. I have a 2.6 kernel with the alsa functions but it doesn't go up. |
| 17:10.33 | _sadrack_ | Where can I get informations about? |
| 17:11.02 | takatumi | _sadrack_: can you hear any other sound? |
| 17:11.16 | FlopsyPete | Ubuntu doesn't have a root account by default |
| 17:11.27 | _sadrack_ | Yes, all of the others are ok. |
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| 17:11.32 | takatumi | FlopsyPete: why are you telling us that? |
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| 17:12.19 | Retrnzer0 | Is there a way to see a history of when cron jobs run by date and time? |
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| 17:12.36 | _sadrack_ | cause I'm realy tired; I have to grab a midi sound for nest week... |
| 17:12.41 | deeku | is it possible to temporarily de-activate an input device (like a mouse/mouse buttons) in xfree86 while actually using x-windows? |
| 17:12.56 | FlopsyPete | takatumi: bcos I was here before talking to people and said I'd let people know when I found out the answer |
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| 17:13.15 | _sadrack_ | ohh, sorry |
| 17:13.31 | pryzbyj | _sadrack_: volume is up? |
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| 17:13.57 | cahoot | _sadrack_: what soundcard? |
| 17:14.14 | ARCh1V1St | MAKEDEV ttyUSB0 returns "don't know how to make device ttyUSB0" Any idea how to work around this? |
| 17:14.26 | _sadrack_ | pryzbyj: yes, I can make encoders, I can hear mp3, ogg and others formats... |
| 17:14.51 | pryzbyj | _sadrack_: there may be an independent midi volume |
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| 17:15.10 | pryzbyj | ARCh1V1St: you can call mknod; you have to find the major/minor ID numbers |
| 17:15.12 | _sadrack_ | cahoot: that's it: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 17:15.29 | hingwah | ARCh1V1St: just ./MAKEDEV usb |
| 17:15.32 | _sadrack_ | pryzbyj: unfortunalety not. |
| 17:16.01 | ARCh1V1St | thanks guys, never used mknod befrore, will do some reading :) A google search for this error was of now help :( |
| 17:16.08 | ARCh1V1St | trying that now hingwah |
| 17:16.40 | ARCh1V1St | shawwweeeet, that did it hingwah |
| 17:16.42 | ARCh1V1St | thank you much!!! |
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| 17:17.04 | ARCh1V1St | shouldnt I be able to do /dev/ttyUSB0 directly too though? i've seen many reports of people using this command |
| 17:17.17 | ARCh1V1St | hmmm, either way, you fixed it :D |
| 17:17.33 | Space_NL | hmm, so i installed skype .. but it doesnt show up in my menu in blackbox .. how can i start skype a different way ? (or add it to the menu ?) |
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| 17:18.02 | Delph | Space_NL: edit the blackbox menu configuration file |
| 17:18.15 | ARCh1V1St | has anyone had success with a Holux GR230 GPS receiver on debian? |
| 17:18.16 | _sadrack_ | and if you guys can help me if my sound card, you can do it with my Zire 72 - after. |
| 17:18.33 | pryzbyj | Space_NL: file a wishlist bug, and edit /etc/menu/, its the local menu configuration |
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| 17:19.02 | pryzbyj | Space_NL: what is this skype |
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| 17:19.17 | Space_NL | www.skype.com .. it a VoIP solution |
| 17:19.31 | pryzbyj | Space_NL: ah; so no wishlist bug |
| 17:19.33 | visual_ | Taraxacum you here? |
| 17:19.48 | Space_NL | pryzbyj, > probably not .. as its nonfree software .. |
| 17:19.51 | stew | skype is non-free its not going to be supported by debian |
| 17:19.53 | greycat | beware anything that calls itself a "solution". |
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| 17:19.59 | Blissex | visual_: he was hanging in #LinuxHelp recently... |
| 17:19.59 | stew | heh |
| 17:20.18 | Space_NL | greycat, i was calling it a solution .. dont think they call themselves a solution .. |
| 17:20.18 | ARCh1V1St | good point greycat |
| 17:20.59 | greycat | a solution is like a product, but more expensive, and has more problems. |
| 17:21.01 | Blissex | greycat: you sound like an embittered nerd from the coalface of tech... :-) |
| 17:21.44 | greycat | Blissex: no, I sound like an experienced veteran. |
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| 17:22.10 | Blissex | I think that Skype is a brutal, nasty attempt to establish a monopolistic platform with a ''free sample'' approach. |
| 17:22.19 | greycat | Space_NL: it's non-free. what did you *expect*? rainbows and kittens? |
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| 17:22.29 | asg | oh my |
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| 17:22.33 | St0n3-C0l | asg: I tried to mount my root partition on /mnt/linux but it says no such file or directory |
| 17:22.37 | Space_NL | greycat, i didnt expect anyting .. as i didnt know its nonfree .. |
| 17:22.39 | PerfDave | I think that Skype is a convenient hack. |
| 17:22.41 | St0n3-C0l | whereas i've created /mnt/linux |
| 17:22.48 | stew | Space_NL: isn't skype just sip? |
| 17:22.54 | Space_NL | sip ? |
| 17:23.00 | ncterval | Is it wise to install a kernel from apt-get? I want to upgrade to 2.4.27 from 2.4.26, can I just remove the latter and install the former? |
| 17:23.01 | Blissex | greycat: and what's precisely the difference between «experienced veteran» and what I write? :-) |
| 17:23.04 | stew | !sip |
| 17:23.05 | asg | St0n3-C0l: just mount it on /mnt. It's not going to be around for long once you fix things |
| 17:23.05 | badgers | rumour has it, sip is Session Initiation Protocol. the way to initiate telephone calls over the internet also known as VoIP, it signals a remote end on port 5060 and begins sending RTP streams |
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| 17:23.35 | stew | Space_NL: there are plenty of free software sip and iax phones in debian that could be used instead of skype |
| 17:23.43 | takatumi | _sadrack_: how are you trying to play these midi files? |
| 17:23.48 | St0n3-C0l | asg: I did same error |
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| 17:23.57 | asg | St0n3-C0l: what are you typing exactly? |
| 17:24.08 | Space_NL | ah no .. then it isnt sip .. skype is more then just VoIP .. skype also offers skypeout, so i can use skype to phone to australia for example .. also to normal phone .. that are not voip |
| 17:24.13 | Nurbs | stew: skype is not SIP and skype is, well, easier through most firewalls |
| 17:24.13 | St0n3-C0l | mount /dev/hda6 /mnt |
| 17:24.16 | Blissex | stew: Skype uses SIP, and there are a few SIP free systems, but crucially, Skype takes an ''embrace and extend'' approach to SIP to create a monopolistic platform via a ''walled garden'' strategy. |
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| 17:24.35 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: I have a kmid for KDE |
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| 17:24.41 | fly_80 | hi all |
| 17:24.47 | stew | Nurbs: iax is easy with firewalls / nat |
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| 17:25.05 | Nurbs | stew: iax? |
| 17:25.27 | Blissex | There are quite a few IAX/SIP protocol free apps, and quite a few IAX/SIP commercial service providers |
| 17:25.33 | stew | Nurbs: asterisks native protocol, an alternative to sip |
| 17:25.38 | fly_80 | i installed amule, but the application font size is very very little ( about dimension 3-4 ). How can i change it ? |
| 17:25.52 | alexissoft | bugreport sent |
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| 17:26.32 | asg | St0n3-C0l: and what exact error do you get? |
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| 17:26.42 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: I make a sequence in my Keyboard, write in a disk to change some sounds, patches e things like this |
| 17:26.52 | Blissex | fly_80: you need to use 'gconf-editor' IIRC |
| 17:26.53 | St0n3-C0l | failed: no such file or directory |
| 17:26.59 | St0n3-C0l | I did 'mkdir mnt' |
| 17:27.00 | asg | St0n3-C0l: does /mnt even exist? |
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| 17:27.33 | sh4 | hi! anyone know how i can fix this error? bluedie:/home/sh4# Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:27.36 | sh4 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 17:27.37 | sh4 | thanks! |
| 17:27.47 | fly_80 | IIRC ? |
| 17:27.50 | Nurbs | stew: ic, interesting. |
| 17:27.56 | greycat | sh4: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 17:27.56 | pryzbyj | sh4: are you running sth remotely? |
| 17:28.00 | fly_80 | Blissex, what's IIRC ? |
| 17:28.06 | stew | !iirc |
| 17:28.07 | badgers | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 17:28.07 | pryzbyj | ah |
| 17:28.12 | greycat | pryzbyj: see the '#' in his prompt? |
| 17:28.14 | fly_80 | ah ok :) |
| 17:28.14 | sh4 | pryzbyj: nope |
| 17:28.19 | fly_80 | thank you |
| 17:28.19 | takatumi | _sadrack_: you could try pimidi to make sure that its not kmidi. |
| 17:28.20 | sh4 | i only tried to open aterm |
| 17:28.21 | sh4 | -_- |
| 17:28.28 | sh4 | bluedie:/home/sh4# aterm & |
| 17:28.28 | sh4 | [1] 823 |
| 17:28.28 | sh4 | bluedie:/home/sh4# Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:28.29 | sh4 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 17:28.40 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: just a second ... |
| 17:28.42 | greycat | *thud* *thud* *thud* |
| 17:28.52 | greycat | !tell sh4 about run stuff as root |
| 17:28.57 | alexissoft | sh4: xhost +127.0.0.1 as user |
| 17:29.01 | greycat | oh. no dpkg. |
| 17:29.02 | stew | alexissoft: no |
| 17:29.05 | greycat | alexissoft: NO. |
| 17:29.10 | alexissoft | :) |
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| 17:29.13 | pryzbyj | haha |
| 17:29.17 | sh4 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 17:29.18 | sh4 | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 17:29.18 | sh4 | xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" |
| 17:29.25 | Nurbs | stew: still doesn't look as simple from what I can tell from first google hits (like: 2 machines both have incoming ports blocked - does IAX work?) and the worst part is of course that most people in home environments use skype |
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| 17:29.28 | greycat | sh4: stop being a MORON. |
| 17:29.32 | St0n3-C0l | asg: lemme retry |
| 17:29.36 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: from where? where can I get it? |
| 17:29.36 | greycat | sh4: I had a bot tell you the answer already. |
| 17:29.36 | St0n3-C0l | brb |
| 17:29.47 | sh4 | arg |
| 17:29.52 | takatumi | _sadrack_: apt-get install pmidi |
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| 17:29.54 | sh4 | i am with xterm, cant read -_- |
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| 17:30.04 | asg | ? |
| 17:30.22 | fly_80 | Blissex, i started gconf-editor,but i can't view "amule" under "apps" |
| 17:30.22 | greycat | what the FUCK?> |
| 17:30.23 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: I think I'll have do update my sources.list ... |
| 17:30.44 | _sadrack_ | it isn't a url... |
| 17:30.45 | stew | Nurbs: if two machines both have incoming ports blocked they can never make a direct connection to eachother no matter what protocol |
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| 17:31.08 | takatumi | _sadrack_: what isn't? |
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| 17:31.14 | TonyMaro | where can I find a good list of sources to use? This is my first Deb experience. I did a net install and want to use some unstable packages now. |
| 17:31.23 | asg | TonyMaro: apt-setup |
| 17:31.36 | takatumi | TonyMaro: why unstable packages? |
| 17:31.46 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: pimidi ... I'm looking now on the apt-get.org |
| 17:31.57 | Nurbs | stew: nobody was talking about direct connections |
| 17:32.03 | takatumi | !info pmidi sarge |
| 17:32.08 | TonyMaro | Want newer ooO and Evolutions and bugfixes that aren't in stable |
| 17:32.10 | Nurbs | stew: skype routes through external machines in that case |
| 17:32.10 | stew | Nurbs: in that case iax works just as well as skype |
| 17:32.19 | stew | Nurbs: yes, iax will do the same |
| 17:32.21 | Nurbs | stew: nice :) |
| 17:32.37 | Nurbs | stew: I'll read some more then... |
| 17:32.51 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: Do you know another like this? |
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| 17:32.57 | PerfDave | TonyMaro: If it's your first Debian experience, you do *not* want to run unstable. |
| 17:32.57 | stew | Nurbs: voip-info.org |
| 17:33.00 | PerfDave | TonyMaro: Run Testing. |
| 17:33.10 | Nurbs | stew: I'm there already |
| 17:33.11 | Nurbs | :) |
| 17:33.12 | pryzbyj | TonyMaro: you will have to s/stable/unstable/ (or testing) in /etc/apt/sources.list, but you'll also want to use apt-pinning; else everything will be upgraded to unstable (or testing, as they say) |
| 17:33.19 | TonyMaro | PerfDave: MMm.. k. I've used Knoppix before, but never a pure Debian |
| 17:33.22 | PerfDave | !d-i TonyMaro |
| 17:33.23 | badgers | TonyMaro, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:33.27 | takatumi | gpoppy:~# apt-cache search pmidi |
| 17:33.29 | takatumi | pmidi - A command line midi player for ALSA |
| 17:34.21 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: ahh, I mean pmidi .... |
| 17:34.39 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: ok. I'm installing now .. |
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| 17:35.21 | St0n3-C0l | asg: same error |
| 17:35.26 | St0n3-C0l | no such file or directory |
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| 17:36.29 | fly_80 | nobody can help me ? amule fonts are very little and i can't change them !!! |
| 17:36.31 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: Could not open sequencer: No such file or directory |
| 17:36.36 | dvs1 | How do I get my ID back? |
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| 17:37.10 | drac | dvs1: /msg nickserv help, or what ID you mean? |
| 17:37.29 | dvs1 | drac: Thanks |
| 17:37.29 | jad | qual o canal do debian-br |
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| 17:38.03 | greycat | jad: /join #debian-br |
| 17:38.04 | mohohaha | is there a way to install grub from windows? |
| 17:38.12 | St0n3-C0l | mohohaha: no |
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| 17:38.19 | jad | Alguem sabe qual o canal do debian br cdd? |
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| 17:38.34 | sussudio | !br |
| 17:38.34 | badgers | Por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:38.40 | sussudio | now bugger off |
| 17:38.50 | asg | St0n3-C0l: and did you check if /mnt even existed? |
| 17:38.55 | St0n3-C0l | yeah it does |
| 17:38.59 | dvs | Ahh! That's better |
| 17:39.04 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: "Could not open /dev/sequencer" |
| 17:39.05 | St0n3-C0l | even i tried on other dirs (Experiment) |
| 17:39.05 | takatumi | _sadrack_: so that is your error, fix that. |
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| 17:39.50 | asg | St0n3-C0l: then probably /dev/hda6 didn't exist |
| 17:39.55 | St0n3-C0l | lolz |
| 17:40.10 | asg | St0n3-C0l: some udev/devfs fuckage |
| 17:40.10 | St0n3-C0l | I am running my box on /dev/hda6 |
| 17:40.11 | _sadrack_ | takatumi: I'll try. Thanks. |
| 17:40.11 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
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| 17:41.20 | St0n3-C0l | brb |
| 17:42.05 | troubb | hi! i have fully configured my keyboard, x, console, xterms... but i have one problem with the euro, when i tried to type and ¤uro here "¤" i see the symbol correctly but the other people can't see it, ¿any solution? thanks |
| 17:42.23 | takatumi | udev is yet to give me any errors, am I just lucky or are these errors pebkacs? |
| 17:42.24 | FieldySnuts | i don't see anything at all |
| 17:42.29 | FieldySnuts | just "" |
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| 17:42.58 | PerfDave | takatumi: A little from column a, a little from column b |
| 17:42.58 | troubb | FieldySnuts: |
| 17:43.01 | troubb | :X |
| 17:43.07 | nvz | troubb: you cannot configure other peoples machines |
| 17:43.17 | DebianTestr | anyone here setup Courier-IMAP+MySQL? |
| 17:43.30 | DebianTestr | I can login with POP3 but cannot with IMAP :( |
| 17:43.31 | PerfDave | Do the nVidia drivers work with udev yet? |
| 17:43.33 | takatumi | PerfDave: probably. |
| 17:43.38 | nvz | troubb: I see an circle with an X through it |
| 17:44.18 | troubb | :S |
| 17:44.24 | troubb | any solution |
| 17:44.26 | troubb | ? |
| 17:44.31 | troubb | it sounds rare |
| 17:44.33 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 17:44.34 | badgers | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of rabid weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 17:44.45 | ningo | uhm |
| 17:44.48 | ningo | wheres dpkg? |
| 17:44.51 | EdibleText | the only solution is total destruction |
| 17:44.58 | nvz | troubb: start handing around a petition for everyone in the world to use the same configuration as you do |
| 17:45.44 | nvz | troubb: dont be stupid, it doesnt matter what other people see.. If my chat program shows what you say in heiroglyphics, it makes no difference to you, as long as I understand it |
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| 17:48.41 | PerfDave | What's my solution? Noise pollution! |
| 17:48.50 | thenuke | how do I start X-program(idesk) from remote computer, over SSH.. And I have windows here, not linux, so X-forwarding is not an option |
| 17:49.06 | pryzbyj | thenuke: you probably want cygwin |
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| 17:49.30 | PerfDave | thenuke: You want to start an X program running on your Debian machine, displaying on your Windows desktop, over SSH, without forwarding SSH over X? |
| 17:49.43 | TonyMaro | thenuke: I do that all the time with cygwin's x server. free download. x.cygwin.net i think |
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| 17:50.08 | thenuke | PerfDave: I just want to start X-program on that remote computer |
| 17:50.08 | pollywog | I had to reinstall CUPS but now my printer only prints graphics as though it has no fonts installed. What might the problem be? It was working until yesterday |
| 17:50.14 | thenuke | not to see it running on my comp |
| 17:50.27 | TonyMaro | thenuke: Then use vncserver... ? |
| 17:50.27 | pryzbyj | thenuke: DISPLAY=:0 xprogram; |
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| 17:50.36 | thenuke | pryzbyj: Thank you a lot |
| 17:50.38 | pollywog | it prints some graphics, no text |
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| 17:50.51 | TonyMaro | thenuke: or do x forwarding to your windows box using cygwin |
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| 17:51.55 | St0n3-C0l | azreal there |
| 17:51.56 | St0n3-C0l | ? |
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| 17:53.37 | ningo | HAIL! |
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| 17:54.42 | ciga | hi |
| 17:55.07 | ciga | dpkg won't tell me about xorg :) |
| 17:55.16 | ningo | dpkg is offline :( |
| 17:55.28 | ningo | dpkg :No such nick/channel |
| 17:55.29 | ciga | yes, I'm sorry, also |
| 17:56.07 | ciga | I have sarge and compiled kde3.4 to see how it works. I run kwin with valgrind, and I have some interesting results. |
| 17:56.25 | greycat | ciga: #debian-kde |
| 17:57.13 | ciga | greycat: I compiled kde3.4 myself other is sarge, is it still #debian-kde? |
| 17:57.37 | ciga | 52 bytes in 1 blocks are definitely lost in loss record 258 of 485, by 0x1CAC2DD2: XftDrawCreate (in /usr/lib/libXft.so.2.1.1) |
| 17:57.47 | ciga | I get messages like this. |
| 17:57.47 | sussudio | !tell ciga about xorg |
| 17:58.09 | ciga | sussudio: thanks. |
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| 18:01.40 | Optic | hi... i'm trying to install debian via netboot, but it complains about not having kernel modules and won't find my hard drive. how do I feed it some modules? :) |
| 18:01.48 | Optic | (sarge, unstable) |
| 18:02.01 | ciga | sarge is testing, sid is unstable. |
| 18:02.30 | pryzbyj | Optic: is it a normal ide drive? |
| 18:02.30 | ciga | or both? |
| 18:02.30 | Optic | yes, I think it doesn't have any of the ide modules |
| 18:02.43 | pryzbyj | Optic: does the kernel see the drive during boot? run dmesg and look for a line like hda: hda1 hda2 *hda3 or sth |
| 18:03.27 | Optic | I don't see any in the dmesg output |
| 18:03.33 | ciga | greycat: can you please loot at this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/PaGLaW57.html |
| 18:03.42 | greycat | why... it looks like a URL! |
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| 18:04.06 | greycat | do I look like a kde developer? no, sorry, I'm not. |
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| 18:04.15 | greycat | but there might BE some kde developers, or at least packagers, in #debian-kde. |
| 18:04.37 | ningo | hey mr. kdedeveloper-greycat, can u help meh with the 3.4beta? |
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| 18:04.56 | Optic | it's a VIA board |
| 18:05.00 | ciga | greycat: no, but I though or a helpful, and can tell me if I am correct and those are real memleaks for libfonconfig. |
| 18:05.01 | shadda | any postfix users around? |
| 18:05.07 | asg | shadda: in #postfix there are |
| 18:05.13 | shadda | k |
| 18:05.22 | ciga | greycat: but sorry, I was wrong about you. |
| 18:05.23 | shadda | was invite only a minute ago. hrm |
| 18:05.25 | greycat | ciga: or you could try #kde. they might even have actual kde devs there, maybe, possibly. |
| 18:05.44 | asg | shadda: probably due to botish tomfoolery, give it a minute |
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| 18:05.54 | greycat | how the hell would *I* know what a kde memory leak looks like? I don't even speak C++! |
| 18:05.57 | Optic | any ideas? it looks like I just have to add some modules... |
| 18:06.02 | ciga | greycat: I was there, and I know the maintainr, so I will send an email for him. |
| 18:06.24 | dvs | greycat: std::cout << "You don't?"; |
| 18:06.32 | ciga | greycat: ok, never mind. |
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| 18:06.34 | greycat | echo "No, I don |
| 18:06.36 | greycat | bah. |
| 18:06.39 | greycat | I don't type either. |
| 18:06.41 | dvs | ;-) |
| 18:06.42 | Panzerboy | any idea how can i change the default editor in mc from mcedit in vim ? :) |
| 18:06.42 | pryzbyj | Optic: disk support should be built into the kernel, but you can try probing for modules. there's a menu for that in the installer |
| 18:06.44 | greycat | echo "No, I don't." |
| 18:06.58 | Optic | pryz: the network installer seems pretty stripped down |
| 18:07.04 | greycat | printf ("Besides, real men use C.\n"); |
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| 18:07.27 | asg | heh |
| 18:07.43 | ggl_6 | hi, whats the corect term for the fuction members of an object? |
| 18:07.47 | pryzbyj | Optic: are you installing from a cd iso, or a floppy? iirc, the net installer is like 100 mb |
| 18:07.50 | asg | ggl_6: methods |
| 18:07.53 | Panzerboy | ggl_6: methods |
| 18:07.55 | Optic | i'm installing from pxe boot |
| 18:08.02 | ggl_6 | methods, that's the word, thanks |
| 18:08.02 | dvs | greycat: System.console.println("Okay, I believe you"); |
| 18:08.22 | asg | dvs: sys.stdout.write("Indeed\n") |
| 18:08.27 | Optic | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/netboot/ |
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| 18:08.32 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 18:09.11 | pryzbyj | Optic: i don't know anything about that |
| 18:09.26 | ciga | @echo off |
| 18:09.29 | ravenbird | off |
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| 18:10.10 | pryzbyj | Optic: does a kernel load and give you a curses menu "welcome to debian" |
| 18:10.34 | Optic | yes |
| 18:10.49 | ggl_6 | how would you term functions that reside outside an object? global methods? |
| 18:11.01 | TonyMaro | I've done my net install of Debian, but can't get gnome-cups-manager to add a printer. It asks for root pass then does nothing. |
| 18:11.08 | asg | ggl_6: are you taking a test? |
| 18:11.12 | ggl_6 | no |
| 18:11.15 | Optic | haha |
| 18:11.18 | Optic | yes ;) |
| 18:11.23 | ggl_6 | just wanna get my english right |
| 18:11.34 | asg | ggl_6: which language are you using? |
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| 18:11.41 | ggl_6 | c++ |
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| 18:11.50 | ggl_6 | oops wrong channel |
| 18:11.54 | asg | ggl_6: ask #c++ then, they might have a different terminology |
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| 18:12.24 | EdibleText | @echo /me remains silent |
| 18:12.26 | ravenbird | /me remains silent |
| 18:12.28 | ggl_6 | sorry, I keep getting debiasn and c++ mixed up |
| 18:12.48 | EdibleText | ravenbird, botsnack |
| 18:12.48 | ravenbird | :), EdibleText |
| 18:12.57 | Optic | buy the Stroustrup book |
| 18:12.57 | St0n3-C0l | asg: there ? |
| 18:13.50 | asg | St0n3-C0l: yes |
| 18:13.54 | asg | St0n3-C0l: does /dev/hda6 exist |
| 18:14.01 | St0n3-C0l | no |
| 18:14.02 | pryzbyj | asg: no:) |
| 18:14.13 | St0n3-C0l | /dev/ there are no hda* partitions |
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| 18:14.21 | St0n3-C0l | well im on linux /dev/hda6 :P |
| 18:14.25 | asg | St0n3-C0l: that's why it is failing then. It's likely udev or devfs fuckage |
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| 18:14.51 | St0n3-C0l | fuckage ? |
| 18:15.16 | EdibleText | @fuckage |
| 18:15.27 | asg | St0n3-C0l: is there /dev/ide/disc/meh/blah/stuff? If so, find out which one corresponds to hda6 and use it. |
| 18:15.28 | St0n3-C0l | brb once again |
| 18:15.28 | St0n3-C0l | :> |
| 18:15.55 | takatumi | !qotd 113 |
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| 18:16.21 | asg | takatumi: dunno if badgers get's the qotds (and you have an errant space in there too) |
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| 18:16.32 | asg | s/t's/ts/ |
| 18:16.45 | takatumi | asg: yeah, saw that, I should retire. |
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| 18:17.07 | asg | takatumi: :) |
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| 18:18.51 | BadMan | Hey all, what kind of frontends are ther for cdrecord(debian kde 3.3.2) |
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| 18:19.17 | Delph | BadMan: see which packages depend on cdrecord ? |
| 18:19.17 | asg | BadMan: cdrecord in konsole? |
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| 18:20.03 | Delph | (apt-cache rdepends cdrecord) |
| 18:20.06 | BadMan | asg: a fronted for my wife and daughter to burn their music cds... I can do the tty but they can't 8-) |
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| 18:20.17 | BadMan | thanks Delph |
| 18:20.53 | takatumi | BadMan: try k3b |
| 18:21.08 | pryzbyj | BadMan: are you running a 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:21.17 | BadMan | I think I searched my cache for that one before but couldnt locate it.... |
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| 18:21.24 | nyk | Hi! I just installed debian on an 400mhz toshiba laptop, and the size of the terminal (textmode) window doesn't fill the whole screen... anyone know how this can be fixed? did't find anything in google, because I can't describe the problem good search terms... |
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| 18:21.28 | BadMan | pryzbyj: 2.4.27 |
| 18:21.57 | pryzbyj | nyk: you probably have to hit function f5 or sth |
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| 18:22.02 | BadMan | takatumi: its there now.. dont know why it didnt show up last time |
| 18:22.04 | BadMan | thanks |
| 18:22.16 | nyk | pryzbyj: I tried.. |
| 18:22.22 | pryzbyj | BadMan: okay; youwill be using "scsi emulation" in the kernel. if it were a 2.6 kernel then you would not. |
| 18:22.33 | BadMan | nyk: check tuxmobil.org |
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| 18:22.45 | pryzbyj | nyk: maybe try doing it while the machine is booting? |
| 18:22.51 | BadMan | pryzbyj: yeah I have that setup successfully where I can burn isos currently in ttys |
| 18:22.59 | nyk | pryzbyj: I will! |
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| 18:23.36 | takatumi | nyk: are you using framebuffer? |
| 18:23.45 | nyk | BadMan: ok I check... but don't know how to formulate the problem... "textmode window too small"... doesn't find anything |
| 18:24.00 | nyk | takatumi: no |
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| 18:24.14 | pryzbyj | BadMan: oh. right. forgot you said that. anyways, if you run a gui under 2.6, you will need to make sure the guy knows how do use dev=/dev/hdX. fyi |
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| 18:24.25 | nyk | I tried knoppix before, and it was (MUCH) too small also in X... |
| 18:24.50 | janek | Hello. I searched from google and nothing! How can i change my windows manager ( gnome to kde )? |
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| 18:25.05 | pryzbyj | nyk: do you mean the font is too small? or that there is a section of the screen that isn't used |
| 18:25.14 | BadMan | most old laptop displays are only set to run 640x480 and the bios "stretches" them to run 800x600... |
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| 18:25.54 | nyk | pryzbyj: only the middle of the screen is used.. |
| 18:25.57 | BadMan | my 760XL thinkpad is the same way, but Im thinking it may only be a text based enviroment vs gui |
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| 18:26.03 | bugd | janek: install xdm or kdm or gdm so you can change at boottime |
| 18:26.07 | visual_ | ok the dude who helped me to install debian left |
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| 18:26.13 | visual_ | could any1 please help me out? |
| 18:26.18 | visual_ | need to know few things |
| 18:26.28 | nyk | pryzbyj: about half the screen (border) is just wasted with empityness |
| 18:26.30 | janek | ok |
| 18:26.37 | BadMan | shoot your ? someone might help..... |
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| 18:26.47 | sobersabre | visual_: what do u need ? |
| 18:27.01 | visual_ | sobersabre i made partition using fips, now i need to know how i can get debian on it |
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| 18:27.05 | bugd | if you use kde i would prefer kdm |
| 18:27.09 | visual_ | sobersabre no cdburner, no ups, and only 1 floppy |
| 18:27.13 | visual_ | good net connection tho |
| 18:27.24 | sobersabre | i can't help you... |
| 18:27.25 | sobersabre | :( |
| 18:27.33 | visual_ | any1 who could? |
| 18:27.39 | argonel|work | yay for cdrom drive failures |
| 18:27.58 | BadMan | visual_: what install method did you do..? |
| 18:27.59 | dbron | has anyone here used w3m-js here? w3m-img is very cool, but the js would be uber-cool |
| 18:28.12 | FarrisG | What is the command that tells you which source an installed package came from? |
| 18:28.19 | visual_ | BadMan well, he told me to create boot disc, then make partition using fips, but i havent downloaded files yet |
| 18:28.29 | visual_ | BadMan i wanna know what files to download and stuff like that |
| 18:28.48 | visual_ | since i got nothing to boot fromp |
| 18:28.53 | pryzbyj | visual_: you want 2 floppies; the kernel, and the "root" |
| 18:28.54 | BadMan | do you have broadband and a working burner? |
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| 18:29.19 | visual_ | BadMan i got good net connection but no cd burner |
| 18:29.19 | eguzkia | hello there is a way to start linux in console mode? |
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| 18:29.25 | visual_ | pryzbyj isnt there any other way? |
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| 18:29.39 | BadMan | hmmmm.... anyone close by that would dl and burn it for you? |
| 18:29.43 | pryzbyj | visual_: you only have a floppy disk, and you don't want to get someone else to burn you a cd? |
| 18:29.51 | pryzbyj | visual_: i'm only talking 2 floppies here |
| 18:29.52 | leOn | hmm.. how can i disable the F10 shortcut in gnometerm ? |
| 18:30.06 | visual_ | pryzbyj got noone to burn me cd |
| 18:30.09 | BadMan | gotta run, bb tomorrrow |
| 18:30.10 | SteveWrightNZ | how do I debianize a tar.gz package ? |
| 18:30.17 | leOn | need to use F10 key for a curses app and it keeps poping up the menu =P |
| 18:30.32 | pryzbyj | Steven_: debian.org/devel: new maintainers guide |
| 18:30.47 | pryzbyj | SteveWrightNZ: and #debian-mentors |
| 18:30.49 | m0p | hmm, is it worth me patching the debian kernel, 2.6.8-2-686-smp with the koncolivas 2.6.8.1 patchset? I have heard some good things about it from other people and don't know if it is worth the effort. is it? |
| 18:30.56 | SteveWrightNZ | thanks |
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| 18:31.14 | visual_ | pryzbyj no other way to do it? |
| 18:31.32 | eguzkia | i'd like change WM ! |
| 18:31.33 | xophEr | Got a problem with metacity, some errors with the session, how do I reset / restore default session for a user? |
| 18:31.53 | pryzbyj | visual_: if all you have is a floppy, then you must use it. |
| 18:32.18 | m0p | anyone? |
| 18:32.25 | Gnea | debmirror ./e17/ --debug --progress --verbose --method=http -h www.soulmachine.net -r /debian -d woody -d unstable -d experimental |
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| 18:32.28 | yopi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.53 | visual_ | pryzbyj help me out? |
| 18:32.57 | Gnea | m0p: don't know much about that patch, but 2.6.8 is rather old |
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| 18:33.03 | visual_ | pryzbyj i wanna start downloading files, i have 30 mins left then i gtg |
| 18:33.09 | visual_ | pryzbyj i want to leave files to download at night |
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| 18:33.39 | St0n3-C0l | Just a Simple Question. How to re-install GRUB from Installation Disk ?? |
| 18:33.48 | m0p | I don't have internet on that box, so I can't upgrade the whole kernel without a hefty download + cd burn on this horrible dialup connection here. |
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| 18:34.14 | nyk | and now there's an other problem... I in base-config, after installing from a network install CD. but apt-get can't get to the net... it's a pcmcia card, it's activated, and I know it's a realtek... so I'm now in the console and did modprobe 8139too (because knoppix loaded this driver).. but ifconfig only shows lo! |
| 18:34.32 | visual_ | ok Is here anyone who could help me to find right files to download? |
| 18:34.49 | Gnea | m0p: dunno |
| 18:34.51 | St0n3-C0l | visual_ for what ? |
| 18:35.10 | pryzbyj | visual_: 386? |
| 18:35.12 | visual_ | St0n3-C0l debian |
| 18:35.19 | visual_ | pryzbyj i386 yes |
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| 18:35.33 | visual_ | pryzbyj i want to start downloading files so i can leave em download at night |
| 18:35.37 | visual_ | pryzbyj what must i do |
| 18:35.51 | St0n3-C0l | u mean to say u wanna download debian files seperately ? |
| 18:35.53 | visual_ | pryzbyj i wanna install from network |
| 18:36.04 | Nosf3ratu | what setting(s) is it that makes dpkg want to connect to X even when doing simple tasks like dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:36.08 | visual_ | i want to download directly from internet and install |
| 18:36.14 | pryzbyj | visual_: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/ |
| 18:36.16 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 18:36.17 | St0n3-C0l | network :P |
| 18:36.23 | m0p | you think I should download a new kernel then, or don't you think it's worth it? |
| 18:36.36 | St0n3-C0l | HELP ME!!!! |
| 18:36.36 | pryzbyj | you need rescue.bin. write it to a floppy |
| 18:36.40 | St0n3-C0l | Please :( |
| 18:36.49 | m0p | This kernel is fine for me (except from the lack of vmware support which requires a config every time I start it!! GRR!) |
| 18:36.50 | nyk | and dmesg shows success for the RTL-8139C chip.. but no eth0 still... is there an auto config that enable dhcp? |
| 18:37.06 | visual_ | pryzbyj but i cant find no i386's |
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| 18:37.17 | nvz | St0n3-C0l: standard chroot rescue, its covered in the install guide |
| 18:37.17 | visual_ | theres only 2.88, 1.44 |
| 18:37.19 | visual_ | orsomething |
| 18:37.27 | pryzbyj | visual_: that is the floppy disk size |
| 18:37.35 | pryzbyj | visual_: the arch is in the url directory before it |
| 18:37.36 | visual_ | ah |
| 18:37.38 | nvz | St0n3-C0l: boot cd, goto a console, activate it, mount root partition, chroot, install grub |
| 18:37.54 | myo | hi all |
| 18:38.00 | jjazz | nyk: dhcp client is part of the base system. But if you can't see your card, it's not a DHCP issue. It's a hardware issue. |
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| 18:38.03 | nyk | ah i figured it out: dhconfig |
| 18:38.04 | visual_ | ok wich rescue disc i download then? |
| 18:38.36 | greycat | jjazz: or driver. |
| 18:38.50 | jjazz | greycat: yes |
| 18:38.51 | St0n3-C0l | nvz: there is no hda6 in /dev |
| 18:38.54 | nyk | jjazz: after I did dh...config (don't remember just did dh<tab>) it appeared in ifconfig and now it works! |
| 18:38.54 | St0n3-C0l | how do i mount |
| 18:39.03 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: the sarge install disc uses devfs. just because. |
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| 18:39.06 | cadu | St0n3-C0l: "mount" |
| 18:39.15 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 18:39.20 | St0n3-C0l | he said mount root partition |
| 18:39.23 | greycat | St0n3-C0l: hit tab a lot until you find it. |
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| 18:39.28 | nvz | St0n3-C0l: Sarge, Debian-Installer? |
| 18:39.32 | St0n3-C0l | yeah |
| 18:39.50 | _sadrack_ | anybody knows how can I get the photos from the Zire72? |
| 18:39.55 | Blissex | St0n3-C0l: you could use something like one ofn the Live CD distros as a rescue CD. Takes a bit longer to download though, but they usually have an X GUI, and something like QTParted etc. |
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| 18:40.09 | nvz | St0n3-C0l: it uses devfs, so it would be like /dev/ide/..blah0/..blah0/..confusing0/shit0/..blah6 |
| 18:40.19 | jjazz | nyk: dhclient, I assume |
| 18:40.21 | greycat | nvz: like I said. TAB a lot. |
| 18:40.29 | EdibleText | _sadrack_, is that a camera? with usb connector? |
| 18:40.31 | exknoppix | I want to burn the sarge-i386-businesscard.iso while in Windows98 ... does Debian have something to help burn the iso while (stuck) in Windows98? |
| 18:40.31 | insanekane | _sadrack_: you could try one of the palm interface software available in debian .. |
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| 18:40.52 | insanekane | _sadrack_: try a search with "Palm" in the debian packages list |
| 18:40.54 | greycat | exknoppix: not that I'm aware of. why not just boot your knoppix CD and burn from there? |
| 18:40.55 | pryzbyj | exknoppix: no. you have redownload 100MB nero and use a trial period |
| 18:41.02 | pryzbyj | greycat: good idea |
| 18:41.16 | _sadrack_ | insanekane: ok, I I'm using kpilot interface, but it can't get the pictures and the movies that I made... |
| 18:41.17 | St0n3-C0l | okay |
| 18:41.19 | St0n3-C0l | brb |
| 18:41.19 | leOn | is there a standard way to refresh the scsi device list available in a system ? |
| 18:41.20 | St0n3-C0l | thanks |
| 18:41.20 | St0n3-C0l | :) |
| 18:41.27 | FieldySnuts | @enter |
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| 18:41.28 | ravenbird | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 18:41.42 | greycat | leOn: you have hot-pluggable SCSI devices? |
| 18:41.46 | insanekane | _sadrack_: oh right ... the problem is, i dont have a palm, and so ive never used any of the software available for it |
| 18:41.49 | nyk | jjazz: ah yess... a very cool tool!! just solved the problem automatically.... can't believe it... (because I only used gentoo till now..) |
| 18:41.51 | leOn | yep, SCA disks |
| 18:42.07 | jjazz | nyk: I'm glad it's working for you. |
| 18:42.09 | stew | FieldySnuts: well i guess /quit does substitute well for punctuation |
| 18:42.14 | leOn | i'm trying out a megaraid controler |
| 18:42.24 | m0p | I guess the sid kernel, 2.6.10-1-686-smp IS NOT stable right? |
| 18:42.24 | greycat | leOn: uh... first guess would be "rmmod and modprobe your SCSI adapter driver", but obviously that only works in limited circumstances |
| 18:42.28 | FieldySnuts | have a few megaraid 320's here |
| 18:42.35 | FieldySnuts | great cards |
| 18:42.44 | greycat | m0p: sid is by definition unstable |
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| 18:42.49 | _sadrack_ | somebody can help me about it? palm zire72 x pictures and movies... |
| 18:42.53 | exknoppix | greycat: I was trying to burn from Knoppix3.7 that but the burn didn't seem to work so I was hoping to just get a burn from Win98 |
| 18:43.10 | nvz | I think devfs, is short for Devil FileSystem |
| 18:43.11 | leOn | i just configured them in raid1 with the megaraid.bin utility, but the system is still not seeing the newly created device |
| 18:43.15 | greycat | nvz: deviant. |
| 18:43.19 | myo | i want to read un stream with mplayer : http://www.tv-radio.com/cgi-bin/tagger.pl?tag=site&metafile=generations/generations-20k.asx |
| 18:43.30 | greycat | myo: try #mplayer |
| 18:43.31 | FieldySnuts | use the bios of the card, not some lame app |
| 18:43.38 | myo | but it don't work , how to do thanks ? |
| 18:43.42 | jjazz | exknoppix: Nero will let you burn ISO files to CD. It's quite popular and perhaps you have it. |
| 18:43.42 | nvz | greycat: screw them, for deviating |
| 18:43.52 | leOn | it'd be great if i didn't have to reboot the machine in order to access the new disks |
| 18:43.52 | nyk | jjazz: thanks for the help! I'm already very conficed of debian! |
| 18:43.57 | Nosf3ratu | what setting(s) is it that makes dpkg want to connect to X even when doing simple tasks like dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:44.00 | exknoppix | greycat: I had to put the Knoppix3.7 image in hda1 to free up my CD burner and there is some definite oddness with the cd |
| 18:44.03 | jjazz | nyk: Awesome |
| 18:44.07 | Nosf3ratu | a friend of mine can't upgrade because his machine isn't running x |
| 18:44.08 | N-MAN | hello hello! :) |
| 18:44.12 | myo | mplayer don't work |
| 18:44.24 | greycat | exknoppix: dunno what to say. can you do a floppy/net install? |
| 18:44.25 | FieldySnuts | neither do your communication skills |
| 18:44.26 | exknoppix | jjazz: ok, I'll scrounge around for Nero or something like that |
| 18:44.31 | leOn | FieldySnuts: the app is great because you don't have to have downtime ... you just issue it from a console command line |
| 18:44.35 | greycat | myo: /j #mplayer |
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| 18:44.45 | FieldySnuts | it's also only a binary, i'll pass |
| 18:44.50 | _sadrack_ | EdibleText: I've tried to get the pictures just like I make with my digital camera... |
| 18:45.04 | FieldySnuts | create the arrays in the bios, or don't whine to us |
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| 18:45.09 | _sadrack_ | EdibleText: but it doesn't works inthe same way... |
| 18:45.09 | myo | greycat: what /j mean ? |
| 18:45.14 | greycat | myo: join |
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| 18:45.30 | jjazz | exknoppix: You might be able to download a free or shareware burner or something. But knoppix should really be able to do it. You boot knoppix from the CD, then eject the CD, put your blank disk in and burn the ISO. Knoppix has K3B, I think. |
| 18:45.35 | exknoppix | greycat: yeah, the floppy install was my next option ... forget net install ... I have a DVD-ISO but something is f*cked with the installer so I'm trying to use another installer and then point at the DVD-ISO ... I'm a bit of a mess just now |
| 18:45.44 | myo | greycat: ! |
| 18:45.47 | greycat | myo: / |
| 18:46.01 | leOn | not whining .. just looking for a way to upgrade the machine with zero downtime |
| 18:46.09 | greycat | too bad I can't do an upside down ! on this platform |
| 18:46.16 | FieldySnuts | have fun then |
| 18:46.20 | green_earz | exknoppix: are you installing woody or sarge ? |
| 18:46.25 | EdibleText | _sadrack_, I have no experiance with Palm. In fact I suspected that ZireFOO was a camera of some sort. |
| 18:46.26 | asg | leOn: then use >1 machine in a load balanced configuration |
| 18:46.38 | myo | i try mplayer http://www.tv-radio.com/cgi-bin/tagger.pl?tag=site&metafile=generations/generations-20k.asx |
| 18:46.42 | exknoppix | jjazz: well, you can't just eject the CD can you ... the thing is live ... so I did that tohd=/dev/hda1 thing |
| 18:46.51 | greycat | ¡ Ah, I can paste one from woody's man iso-8859-1 |
| 18:46.56 | greycat | I just can't type one. |
| 18:47.07 | myo | even mplayer http://www.tv-radio.com/generations/generations-20k.asx |
| 18:47.09 | exknoppix | green_earz: I'm installing sarge ... and I was told about the whole RC2 messsup before Nov 10 |
| 18:47.11 | FieldySnuts | myo: that's nice, talk to the mplayer people 1) debian doesn't provide mplayer 2) debian definately doesn't provide asx support |
| 18:47.12 | greycat | myo: /j #mplayer |
| 18:47.15 | FieldySnuts | @stfu myo |
| 18:47.18 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP myo! |
| 18:47.21 | jjazz | exknoppix: Yes, you can eject the CD. The crucial bits are loaded into RAM. Boot into Knoppix, start K3B, then eject the CD. |
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| 18:47.47 | _sadrack_ | EdibleText: ok, if you know some thing about docs please tell me. |
| 18:47.50 | exknoppix | jjazz: ah, ok, didn't know that Knoppix had an eject option |
| 18:47.55 | Blissex | jjazz: that requires 'toram' IIRC |
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| 18:48.03 | myo | hey keep it cool guy i'am leaving sory |
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| 18:48.16 | jjazz | exknoppix: There should be an icon on the desktop for the cdrom. Right click it and there should be an eject option. |
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| 18:48.36 | greycat | jjazz: hey, you're giving us a bad name! |
| 18:48.43 | jjazz | Blissex: Hmm... you might be right, but I'm pretty sure I've done it with no boot options. |
| 18:48.43 | FieldySnuts | only took the hint after getting mean, shrug |
| 18:48.43 | exknoppix | Blissex: ok, that makes sense ... and I've only got 512 MB ... so there is the "knoppix tohd=/dev/hda1" option which I'm running from at this very second |
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| 18:48.45 | greycat | we're not supposed to be able to support knoppix better than #knoppix! |
| 18:48.57 | EdibleText | _sadrack_, the one thing I know about docs is that they are often not read. |
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| 18:49.09 | green_earz | exknoppix: check out ebay for cheap sarge dvd or cd set, that if the one you got is mested up. some how. |
| 18:49.15 | Blissex | exknoppix: yes, that's a good alternative. |
| 18:49.21 | jjazz | greycat: Yes, I'll try to be more confusing next time. |
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| 18:49.53 | Stuttergart | so stable/testing/unstable |
| 18:50.01 | jjazz | exknoppix: You can get help in #knoppix for burning the CD. They'll know more about all this removing the CD business. |
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| 18:50.14 | Stuttergart | If I'm running stable but I need a couple of newer packages...should I include testing or unstable in the sources.list? |
| 18:50.20 | Stuttergart | Which gets security updates the quickest? |
| 18:50.23 | greycat | !tell stuttergart about bobbitt |
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| 18:50.32 | greycat | Stuttergart: ONLY stable gets security updates. |
| 18:50.40 | exknoppix | jjazz: ok ... (but I'll change my nick first) |
| 18:50.48 | jjazz | exknoppix: ha! |
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| 18:51.11 | Stuttergart | grey: well, y, but stable gets updated pretty quickly. |
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| 18:51.19 | Stuttergart | I understand that there is no assurance of that. |
| 18:51.19 | greycat | Stuttergart: you are confused. |
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| 18:51.25 | abrotman | Stuttergart: the others DO NOT get security updates |
| 18:51.31 | Stuttergart | No, I understand that. |
| 18:51.38 | abrotman | Stuttergart: they get fixes when they get them .. could be days or weeks |
| 18:51.40 | xarg | where are postinst scripts extracted to? |
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| 18:51.44 | Stuttergart | But in effect, unstable does since the packages get reved fairly quickly. |
| 18:51.45 | greycat | unstable gets new packages that may or may not fix security holes |
| 18:51.53 | abrotman | xarg: /var/lib/dpkg/info i think |
| 18:52.02 | EdibleText | Stuttergart, those arent security updates |
| 18:52.05 | LSorense | abrotman: at least they end up there in the end |
| 18:52.10 | greycat | but you CANNOT and MUST NOT have both stable and {testing,unstable} lines on the same system at the same time. They're three years apart. They're not compatible. |
| 18:52.10 | Stuttergart | Right, "in effect" |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | LSorense: i suppose that's right :) |
| 18:52.19 | greycat | Stuttergart: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:52.27 | LSorense | abrotman: they may end up in tmp or something for a while |
| 18:52.31 | jc__ | good afternoon, I have problem for install patch ebtable under kernel 2.4.22 |
| 18:52.37 | abrotman | LSorense: yeah .. you're right .. |
| 18:52.38 | Stuttergart | greycat: I've been doing it since before woody and I've yet to be burned. |
| 18:52.39 | LSorense | abrotman: but I am not sure about that either |
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| 18:52.45 | greycat | !flw |
| 18:52.45 | badgers | flw17 is probably <abrotman> WiFiTux: i think we've covered more than once english isn't your frist langauge |
| 18:52.46 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 18:52.49 | badgers | somebody said cheesesteak was http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 18:52.49 | Stuttergart | YOu just have to be careful about which packages you pull in. |
| 18:52.53 | FieldySnuts | badgers: what does thomas_adam pay you for? |
| 18:52.54 | badgers | often thomas_adam pays me for anal stimulation, $nick, but I've really had enough... |
| 18:52.55 | greycat | bah. that's not a famous last word. |
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| 18:53.00 | abrotman | thomas_adam: did you make the soup ? |
| 18:53.00 | FieldySnuts | $nick . nice |
| 18:53.19 | CodeWarrior_ | is there anybody that knows about sendmail lockfiles ? |
| 18:53.24 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: #sendmail? |
| 18:53.28 | abrotman | greycat: i didn't make it ... don't blame me |
| 18:53.46 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: I just tried that |
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| 18:54.51 | _sadrack_ | EdibleText: hey, how about d-link wireless network, where can I get informations? |
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| 18:55.31 | greycat | does sendmail even *have* lock files? if so, where? |
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| 18:56.01 | abrotman | what would you lock ? the mail spool ? |
| 18:56.13 | greycat | I'm thinking he means the local MDA's lockfiles on the mailbox. |
| 18:56.15 | EdibleText | _sadrack_, my first response is http://www.dlink.com , but my second response would be what are you trying to? |
| 18:57.16 | alcorrr | anyone know how i can enable mysql support for maildrop (courier-maildrop) ? it's driving me nuts |
| 18:57.21 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: I dunno, maybe it's a problem about imap server, not sendmail |
| 18:57.55 | _sadrack_ | EdibleText: I past the all week trying to configure that; I read about iwconfig, kwifimanager, etc .... |
| 18:58.02 | greycat | why don't you just say what the problem *is* instead of making half-assed useless guesses? |
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| 18:58.39 | abrotman | _sadrack_: #wireless |
| 18:58.44 | Nosf3ratu | how can you manually change debconf's preferred frontend? |
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| 18:58.45 | jjazz | when I do rsync -a --delete /var/lib /home /backup, I end up with /backup/home and /backup/lib. I want /backup/var/lib, and it all needs to be done in one go because of that --delete. Is there any way to convince rsync to copy full paths from the root? |
| 18:58.46 | abrotman | or .. find out the chipset |
| 18:58.49 | Nosf3ratu | where's the config setting? |
| 18:59.09 | _sadrack_ | EdibleText: thanks again. |
| 18:59.21 | lxuser01 | How do I unpack a file with diff.gz ? |
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| 18:59.40 | pryzbyj | Nosf3ratu: dpkg-reconfigure -f gtk |
| 18:59.40 | distempr | Remote fs mounts. Recommendations? NFS seems somewhat dated and the failover methods are quite ... silly. I've contemplated CIFS with samba.. but that just makes me feel dirty. Are there others out there that you can recommend? |
| 18:59.42 | greycat | lxuser01: gzip -dc ../mypatch.diff.gz | patch -p1 # usually. |
| 18:59.48 | greycat | lxuser01: man patch; man gzip; man zcat; man gunzip |
| 18:59.55 | lxuser01 | ok... |
| 19:00.09 | Nosf3ratu | pryzbyj, that doesn't work... |
| 19:00.10 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: you're right, let me explain: when a dial up user is receiving email messages trough my email server and the connection broke down, the user mailbox is locked, I'd like to do an automate unlock after 10seconds, how could I do that ? |
| 19:00.14 | jjazz | Nosf3ratu: debconf --frontend=blah |
| 19:00.23 | fortran01 | what is the dialup tool for gnome, similar to kppp? |
| 19:00.33 | jjazz | Nosf3ratu: that's a one-time change, tho |
| 19:00.39 | abrotman | gnomeppp applet ? |
| 19:00.45 | pryzbyj | Nosf3ratu: what doesn't worka bout it |
| 19:00.56 | leOn | hurray ... the re-insert of the module solved it. would be nice to be able to do it with the all filesystems online.. |
| 19:00.58 | Nosf3ratu | pryzbyj, that's the wrong command. try it yourself. |
| 19:01.03 | Nosf3ratu | jjazz, thanks, i think that will work. |
| 19:01.19 | pryzbyj | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.28 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: does sound like an IMAP or POP3 server issue, then. |
| 19:01.36 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: how are they getting the mail? |
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| 19:01.49 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: yeah, now I'm sure it's all about the imap server |
| 19:01.57 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: I use imap |
| 19:02.05 | greycat | which one? |
| 19:02.29 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: imap |
| 19:02.34 | abrotman | cyrus/courier etc ? |
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| 19:02.59 | leOn | CodeWarrior_: besides you solving the locking problem, consider using maildir format. there are a bunch of advantages |
| 19:03.02 | abrotman | CodeWarrior_: which imap server |
| 19:03.24 | jjazz | Nosf3ratu: cool |
| 19:03.27 | greycat | the choice of clueless admins everywhere |
| 19:03.34 | abrotman | courier!! |
| 19:03.46 | greycat | abrotman: you *know* he's not using courier. |
| 19:03.47 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat abrotman: courier |
| 19:03.52 | DrPete | anyone surgest any hardware that can remote remboot/remote serial console a server that does not cost the earth |
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| 19:03.55 | abrotman | greycat: i win :) |
| 19:04.09 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: what does "telnet localhost 143" say in the banner, then? |
| 19:04.20 | CodeWarrior_ | le0n: next time, I think to do that, but right now I just need to solve the problem about lock files |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | DrPete: a midget ? |
| 19:05.06 | greycat | abrotman: see? he's saying he's NOT using maildir. |
| 19:05.12 | greycat | abrotman: therefore he can't be using courier. QED. |
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| 19:05.44 | abrotman | courier can be configured to not use maildir .. don't know why you would .. but it can iirc |
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| 19:05.51 | alcorrr | anyone know how i can enable mysql support for maildrop (courier-maildrop) ? i need it to be grabbing the users from a mysql table that postfix uses. the authlib works fine, because i can login to pop and imap using the accounts in those mysql tables |
| 19:05.54 | greycat | abrotman: oh! that's news to me. |
| 19:05.55 | superSSS | is there a good gui for writing data on cds? |
| 19:06.03 | abrotman | greycat: let me check .. if i can find docs |
| 19:06.05 | greycat | superSSS: k3b |
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| 19:06.16 | greycat | abrotman: oh, I don't care enough to know HOW... I'd never want it. |
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| 19:06.33 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat abrotman: it doesn't matter, you know a way to auto unlock user mailbox ? |
| 19:06.42 | DrPete | abrotman: lol |
| 19:06.44 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: liar. or troll. either way, GO AWAY. |
| 19:06.55 | greycat | notice how they suddenly duck the issue when you ask for details? |
| 19:07.03 | superSSS | which doesnt require KDE |
| 19:07.09 | greycat | it's probably a fucking M-SExchange server. |
| 19:07.19 | greycat | superSSS: xterm -e cdrecord |
| 19:07.24 | nvz | superSSS: it doesnt require kde, and its one of the best |
| 19:07.28 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: hey hey, calm down friend |
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| 19:07.40 | alcorrr | greycat, cna u give me a hand plz? i promise my server is running debian with courier/postfix :) |
| 19:07.42 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: I'm getting telnet that fucky server |
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| 19:07.43 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: no, I will not. You need to stop being a liar or a troll. |
| 19:07.46 | superSSS | nvz: yes, it wants me to install 50MB of KDE libs |
| 19:07.47 | abrotman | greycat: can't find it |
| 19:07.56 | jdjs | hello everyone |
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| 19:08.03 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: I'm not any of that, I just need help |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | greycat: i thought you could .. but i might be wrong |
| 19:08.18 | mohohaha | how can i make grub too boot from winxp, it's at hd0 |
| 19:08.23 | nvz | superSSS: well try gcombust or something, but none of them have the full drag and drop experience like say Roxio or Nero tools you would see in windows, other than k3b |
| 19:08.33 | abrotman | eroaster!! |
| 19:08.35 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: is there any other way, besides telnet ? |
| 19:08.44 | superSSS | nvz: ok thanks! |
| 19:08.46 | jdjs | how can I make my linux box pingable by hostname from windows computers? |
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| 19:09.01 | pryzbyj | jdjs: why aren't they |
| 19:09.01 | asg | jdjs: put it's hostname / ip in HOSTS.TXT |
| 19:09.01 | xinming | anyone here can tell me if Sarge can handle a hdd up to 200G? I used knoppix to partition it as I ever did. But If I specify the end cylinder with 'm' It will just use the cylinder number thus got the wrong size |
| 19:09.07 | pryzbyj | jdjs: it doesn't resolve? |
| 19:09.09 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 19:09.19 | jjazz | jdjs: There's a hosts file in the winnt directory. Put an entry in it like ip.ip.ip.ip hostname |
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| 19:09.34 | alcorrr | guys, can u plz give me hand? i really need to get this maildrop thing to work with mysql.. |
| 19:09.40 | greycat | !tell CodeWarrior_ about msg |
| 19:09.41 | sussudio | !plz |
| 19:09.46 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
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| 19:09.56 | abrotman | actually %windows_home%\system32\drivers\etc or something like that |
| 19:10.04 | snakeru | xinming I'm using sarge with 4 160G hdds forming 480G md disk without problems |
| 19:10.06 | EdibleText | jdjs, if samba is running on the the linux box, you could ping its NETBIOS name |
| 19:10.09 | abrotman | i guess it's %windir% |
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| 19:10.18 | jdjs | the linux box is setup to get a dhcp address. (no static IP is allowed :-\ ) |
| 19:10.36 | abrotman | can't he just install smbd or some crap ? |
| 19:10.39 | pryzbyj | jdjs: that's independent from dns |
| 19:10.41 | mohohaha | grub anyone? |
| 19:10.41 | jjazz | abrotman: Why you gotta show me up like that, gettin' all technic-specific and shit? |
| 19:10.49 | abrotman | jjazz: cause i know the answer? :) |
| 19:10.56 | jjazz | abrotman: ;) |
| 19:11.02 | green_earz | xinming: why not partion the driver with the sarge net installer 110 meg cd |
| 19:11.06 | jdjs | im trying to set it up so that the dns can resolve by hostname. |
| 19:11.13 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: is there any other way, besides telnet ? |
| 19:11.20 | jjazz | jdjs: the hosts file will do that |
| 19:11.20 | abrotman | jjazz: you're just surprised i know eh? |
| 19:11.28 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: to know if it's courier or cyrus |
| 19:11.30 | jdjs | to give an user access from outside the network. |
| 19:11.46 | xinming | snake, thanks. Which kernel version do you use? And by the way, Do you use it on a si3112 controller? |
| 19:11.50 | jjazz | abrotman: Yeah, I figured Windows was beneath your notice. |
| 19:11.53 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: nc localhost 143 (and then hit ctrl-c) |
| 19:12.04 | greycat | not sure WHY the FUCKING HELL you can't type "telnet localhost 143", though. |
| 19:12.06 | asg | !be telnet barbie |
| 19:12.14 | EdibleText | jdjs, they could add the IP to their HOSTS.TXT |
| 19:12.26 | xinming | green_earz, because I am still waiting for the sarge stable release. And don't want to waste a cd-r. ;-) |
| 19:12.44 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: don't have nc too :( |
| 19:12.47 | asg | xinming: CD-Rs are not expensive |
| 19:12.54 | asg | CodeWarrior_: then install netcat |
| 19:12.55 | snakeru | xinming: 2.6.10. But I think it should be no problem with any kernel. Though I'm use LVM to partition my 480G drive. And I'm using intel chipset |
| 19:12.58 | smcavoy | does anyone know what a system with 8x512 should display for ram? free -m displays 3728 for total. |
| 19:13.06 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: apt-get install netcat telnet |
| 19:13.08 | jdjs | I read somewhere that doing something like hostname jdjsdeb.dhcp.something.org would do the trick.. |
| 19:13.11 | green_earz | xinming: its one download of 110 meg and the rest is installed over the net |
| 19:13.13 | greycat | CodeWarrior_: FUCKING hell, you really annoy me. |
| 19:13.25 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat asg: ok, I'll |
| 19:13.32 | greycat | most imcompetent admin in the last half hour, anyway. |
| 19:13.37 | EdibleText | jdjs, dyndns.org |
| 19:13.53 | green_earz | xinming:http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050309/ |
| 19:14.01 | CodeWarrior_ | greycat: sorry friend, I won't annoy you, thanks and sorry again, bye |
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| 19:14.15 | abrotman | jjazz: i have to admin both at work |
| 19:14.23 | leOn | don't you just love lvm? |
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| 19:14.26 | green_earz | xinming: the > sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:14.40 | xinming | hmm... I don't think so. in 2.4.x series kernel, It will assgin the name hd(e,f,g etc.) But in 2.6 series kernel, It will be named sdx(x = a b c etc). I don't think the difference is only name. |
| 19:14.43 | jdjs | unfortunately that option is not available to me.. |
| 19:14.45 | jdjs | thank you. |
| 19:15.25 | xinming | green_earz, well. sarge is still not stable, So I don't think the kernel version, is frozen. that's why I dont want that. Sorry. But thanks for you suggestion anyway. |
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| 19:15.52 | DrPete | If I update the kernel of a remote server, and it fails, eg does not load the network driver etc. is there anyway to avoid that>?# |
| 19:15.59 | greycat | DrPete: be there. |
| 19:16.03 | snakeru | xinming: 2.6.5 used hdx name for SATA. And it worked well with the same 160G drives |
| 19:16.08 | elirips | hello people. anybody got some tips for me: i have some samba-shares on this machine. if i connect from another linux machine with smbclient entering username A, and trying to 'get' a file, everytihng works. if i login to the samba-share from win2k, with the same username and try to copy a file i get "access denied. the source file may be in use" (in windows). any ideas what's going wrong here? |
| 19:16.19 | greycat | !tell snakeru about kernel of instability |
| 19:16.21 | DrPete | greycat: lol, good answer |
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| 19:17.03 | alcorrr | anybody know how to get courier-maildrop to authenticate using mysql? when i do maildrop -v, i get "Virtual user database extension enabled.", but not: "Virtual user database via MySQL extension enabled" |
| 19:17.05 | xinming | snakeru, thanks. by the way, How do you partition the 200G? :-S It's a pain to me sometimes. |
| 19:17.19 | greycat | alcorrr: I'd ask #courier |
| 19:17.37 | superSSS | When i use mplayer I get no sound -> audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such device or addres |
| 19:17.42 | alcorrr | greycat, i did, ony 1 guy answered, he doesn't know |
| 19:17.44 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 19:17.45 | badgers | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 19:17.52 | snakeru | xinming: I use LVM |
| 19:18.38 | snakeru | xinming: it were some pain in setting it up but then it worked fine until now (about one month already) |
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| 19:19.00 | DrPete | whats this LVM, is it anygood? |
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| 19:19.40 | snakeru | DrPete GIYF |
| 19:19.46 | mirak | hi |
| 19:19.47 | xinming | DrPete, maybe something like dynamic partitions which can avoid some limitation of "static" partition. |
| 19:19.58 | mirak | how can debian know the arch during install ? |
| 19:20.12 | greycat | mirak: uh, by the fact that it's an i386 install disc? |
| 19:20.13 | mirak | I mean how the $ARCH variable is determinated ? |
| 19:20.19 | greycat | mirak: kinda implies the arch is i386, no? |
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| 19:20.36 | mirak | greycat: somewhat yes |
| 19:20.48 | mirak | greycat: ^^ |
| 19:20.59 | EdibleText | elirips, can you post the smb.conf on the web? |
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| 19:21.02 | |mycroft| | Hi, guys. mycroft@mycroft:~$ firefox |
| 19:21.02 | |mycroft| | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:21.02 | |mycroft| | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 19:21.02 | |mycroft| | (firefox-bin:3742): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: <--- Any idea what would be the problem and how to fix it ? |
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| 19:21.26 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 19:21.27 | mirak | greycat: in fact, in the some script used for debstrap there is the $ARCH variable |
| 19:21.32 | |mycroft| | ------ |
| 19:21.33 | |mycroft| | mycroft@mycroft:~$ firefox |
| 19:21.36 | mirak | deboostrap |
| 19:21.37 | DrPete | snakeru: what GIYF mean |
| 19:21.40 | |mycroft| | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:21.44 | asg | |mycroft|: don't paste in here (even slowly) |
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| 19:21.46 | elirips | EdibleText: the problem is gone. a reboot of the win2k client solved it. i am still wondering what was wrong.. |
| 19:21.46 | greycat | |mycroft|: WE SAW IT ONCE ALREADY!!!! |
| 19:21.47 | greycat | FUCK! |
| 19:21.53 | snakeru | GIYF=Google Is Your Friend |
| 19:21.53 | |mycroft| | dude, relax |
| 19:21.53 | greycat | Why do they flood, get kicked, then do it AGAIN! |
| 19:21.57 | |mycroft| | it's just a chat |
| 19:22.01 | |mycroft| | okay;=) ? |
| 19:22.04 | greycat | !tell |mycroft| about guidelines |
| 19:22.04 | superSSS | lol |
| 19:22.06 | greycat | !tell |mycroft| about faq |
| 19:22.07 | asg | |mycroft|: with >700 people talking |
| 19:22.12 | dvs | |mycroft|: follow the rules in the /topic |
| 19:22.36 | |mycroft| | rule number 1 is cool |
| 19:22.36 | DrPete | snakeru: hehe ok. |
| 19:22.39 | |mycroft| | Don't ask to ask. lol |
| 19:22.47 | mirak | greycat: so where is it determinated in the install CD ? |
| 19:22.58 | superSSS | |mycroft|: try xhost + |
| 19:22.58 | DrPete | Can you add LVM to a already setup server? |
| 19:23.08 | green_earz | |mycroft|: are you firing up firefox from the command line ? |
| 19:23.09 | greycat | mirak: that's like asking you how you know whether you're alive or dead. |
| 19:23.21 | greycat | you... just... KNOW. |
| 19:23.27 | |mycroft| | access control disabled, clients can connect from any host |
| 19:23.28 | snakeru | DrPete: no if you have no fresh drives |
| 19:23.29 | greycat | it's embedded within every cell of your being. |
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| 19:24.12 | DrPete | snakeru: are there any drawbacks to it? |
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| 19:24.25 | EdibleText | the first rule is we dont talk about Debian. The second rule is we dont talk about Debian. |
| 19:24.44 | LuckyStrike | is it me or is www.debianhelp.org not working? |
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| 19:24.49 | Pappa | what happens if i ^C during a mv of a big file |
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| 19:24.59 | asg | LuckyStrike: thought it was .net |
| 19:25.07 | Pappa | are both the parts broken? |
| 19:25.10 | greycat | Pappa: I presume you mean across file systems. the file should remain in the original place. |
| 19:25.20 | Pappa | greycat: across partitions |
| 19:25.21 | LuckyStrike | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=debian+help&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official |
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| 19:25.27 | LuckyStrike | nope definitely .org |
| 19:25.30 | Pappa | greycat: else it's only re-linking :p |
| 19:25.40 | greycat | Pappa: right. |
| 19:25.44 | charzero | Does the number of CPUs in a system have to be a power of 2? |
| 19:25.51 | snakeru | DrPete you have to use initd if you use LVM root. You have to use LVM-enabled system (I didn't succedede with KNOPPIX 3.7) to repair your one in case of trouble. |
| 19:25.58 | |mycroft| | yes, from the command line |
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| 19:26.00 | greycat | charzero: I saw a Dynix box with 12 CPUs. |
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| 19:26.17 | asg | charzero: I have an E6800 with 12 |
| 19:26.38 | greycat | !wayttd |mycroft| |
| 19:26.39 | badgers | What Are You Trying To Do, |mycroft|? |
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| 19:26.45 | charzero | asg: can an x86 4-proc board be run with 3 procs? |
| 19:26.48 | DrPete | snakeru: shame :( I will have to test it out thou |
| 19:27.00 | greycat | charzero: uh... I know a way to find out. :) |
| 19:27.00 | asg | charzero: I don't know, you could try it and see |
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| 19:27.48 | snakeru | DrPete. It handy. But you need to know how it works to not get trapped |
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| 19:28.31 | mirak | greycat: so how can I know the arch that I am on ? |
| 19:28.37 | mirak | with the command line |
| 19:28.38 | snakeru | bye |
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| 19:28.38 | greycat | !i386 |
| 19:28.39 | badgers | well, i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 19:28.43 | greycat | mirak: uname -a |
| 19:28.49 | exknoppix | in the debian installer, I have to pick a partition ... the partition of hda and hdc are show but not hdb ... why am I not show hdb's partitions? |
| 19:28.54 | DrPete | snakeru: Yeah, I can see that, I am just reading the howto. It seems worth it thou, moveing space around is a good idea |
| 19:28.54 | smcavoy | charzero: I don't think that would count as symmetrical |
| 19:29.07 | exknoppix | in the debian installer, I have to pick a partition ... the partitions of hda and hdc are shown but not hdb ... why am I not show hdb's partitions? |
| 19:29.14 | exknoppix | /show/shown/ |
| 19:29.14 | greycat | exknoppix: is it a hard disk, or a CD? |
| 19:29.17 | absence | where is dpkg (the bot)? |
| 19:29.23 | asg | absence: on walkabout |
| 19:29.23 | greycat | absence: in absence. |
| 19:29.30 | asg | absence: use badgers or ravenbird |
| 19:29.32 | dvs | exknoppix: Maybe because there aren't any? |
| 19:29.35 | mirak | greycat: well I try to install hurd debian, and the installer installs the i386 package and not the hurd-i386 |
| 19:29.36 | exknoppix | greycat: hdb is a harddisk ... hdd is the CD |
| 19:29.45 | greycat | I can't help you with hurd. |
| 19:29.46 | mirak | that's strange |
| 19:29.49 | Panzerboy | is there any way i can see which package depend on another package? |
| 19:29.54 | Panzerboy | i am interested to see who depends on psmisc |
| 19:29.54 | jjazz | exknoppix: Perhaps /hdb is a FAT32 partition. I seem to recall the debian installer listing ext partitions, but not FAT32 partitions... that's just a hazy recollection tho. |
| 19:29.54 | asg | Panzerboy: apt-rdepends |
| 19:29.56 | pryzbyj | exknoppix: do you have to select the disk? |
| 19:29.57 | greycat | exknoppix: try running fdisk -l on it. |
| 19:30.05 | absence | asg, thanks |
| 19:30.05 | exknoppix | dvs: I'm using knoppix at the moment and am looking at hdb's partitions |
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| 19:30.20 | doub | hi all |
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| 19:30.32 | exknoppix | jjazz: no FAT32 partitions on hdb ... all are ext2 |
| 19:30.36 | Panzerboy | asg: thanks |
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| 19:30.54 | boukensya | Control Mod1 Up :BigNudgeUp to work in fluxbox |
| 19:31.05 | boukensya | thats my config is something wrong with it? |
| 19:31.07 | exknoppix | pryzbyj: when I try to use hdb, I'm told that I have to format the whole disk ... but I just want to use hdb9 |
| 19:31.16 | jjazz | exknoppix: Are you in knoppix or are you in the debian installer? |
| 19:31.24 | daxxar | Do I have to do anything to enable .phps-support on debian/unstable running apache2 and php4? |
| 19:31.25 | asg | boukensya: try :MoveUp 100 |
| 19:31.48 | daxxar | 'cause I've named my document foo.phps, and when I open it in my browser I get a blank HTML page. |
| 19:31.50 | exknoppix | greycat: $ fdisk -l |
| 19:31.51 | exknoppix | Cannot open /dev/sda |
| 19:31.51 | exknoppix | Cannot open /dev/hdc |
| 19:31.51 | exknoppix | Cannot open /dev/hda |
| 19:31.51 | exknoppix | Cannot open /dev/hdb |
| 19:31.51 | boukensya | isn't that only for bbkeys in fluxbox? either way I am trying it now |
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| 19:31.54 | daxxar | blank = <html><body></body></html> |
| 19:31.58 | jdjs | Is there an alternative to using 'pump -h hostname' ? |
| 19:31.59 | asg | daxxar: edit the conf and uncomment the Handler for phps |
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| 19:32.05 | asg | jdjs: dhclient |
| 19:32.29 | asg | boukensya: fluxbox doesn't use bbkeys, it has it's own internal routines |
| 19:32.35 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 19:32.39 | asg | fuck |
| 19:32.48 | greycat | exknoppix: as root, duh. and JUST THE ONE DISK would suffice, duh. |
| 19:32.51 | DrPete | snakeru: It sounds good, I like the idea of adding and removing drives with ease. I assume it works ok will raid etc |
| 19:32.55 | boukensya | oooh that worked I love you asg.. |
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| 19:33.02 | asg | boukensya: :) |
| 19:33.11 | boukensya | how come the documentation only has "NudgeUp"? |
| 19:33.13 | dvs | greycat: He's been booted |
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| 19:33.27 | greycat | dvs: I had to type it so I could respond to another question in another channel |
| 19:33.30 | greycat | dvs: couldn't wait. |
| 19:33.32 | daxxar | asg, /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php4.conf has nothing about handlers, but two AddType's, one for .php one for .phps. |
| 19:33.33 | greycat | exknoppix: as root, duh. and JUST THE ONE DISK would suffice, duh. |
| 19:33.52 | snakeru | DrPete I'm using 4x160=raid5. LVM runs over raid. |
| 19:33.56 | asg | daxxar: then make sure the AddType for phps is uncommented and restart apache2 |
| 19:33.56 | greycat | dvs: it also puts it into my up-arrow buffer :) |
| 19:34.04 | daxxar | asg, it is. |
| 19:34.27 | asg | daxxar: hmmmm, do regular php files work correctly? |
| 19:34.31 | snakeru | though I needed to play a little with it's config file to make it recognize my volume group correctly |
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| 19:35.10 | asg | daxxar: 'echo "<?phpinfo();?>" > /var/www/test-index.php' (and point your browser at localhost/test-index.php) |
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| 19:35.29 | daxxar | asg, it works, yes. |
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| 19:36.24 | exknoppix | greycat: there is a bit of "W95 FAT16" oddness when I "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" ... can I "/msg" you with the output? |
| 19:36.30 | cadu | hi! when trying to mount vfat partitions/loops i get FATAL: Can't load NLS Charset cp437...what's wrong ? |
| 19:36.53 | asg | daxxar: hmmm, odd. Have you asked #apache yet? |
| 19:37.15 | daxxar | Nope, I was just curious if there was anything debian-specific that needed to be done. |
| 19:37.15 | leOn | just tried the sarge installer, i'm not getting an option to format partitions in ext3 ... was it disabled? =P |
| 19:37.19 | asg | daxxar: or #php |
| 19:37.19 | greycat | exknoppix: no. |
| 19:37.31 | asg | daxxar: afaik, just enable the AddType and restart apache. |
| 19:37.34 | daxxar | ok |
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| 19:37.57 | asg | daxxar: you could check /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian{.gz} and see if there is any specific debian stuff though |
| 19:38.00 | hever | Hello there, how could I disable "creating symlinks" for a special group ? |
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| 19:38.07 | greycat | hever: you can't. |
| 19:38.11 | daxxar | Woo-boy. Guess if I feel stupid now, eh? :p |
| 19:38.11 | pryzbyj | leOn: you may have to boot with "bf24" |
| 19:38.16 | daxxar | Wrong permissions on the file. ;) |
| 19:38.19 | humbolt | anybody using mldonkey-server debian package? how do I make it work? It does not work out of the box and does not even like my old downloads.ini. |
| 19:38.20 | greycat | hever: unless you modify the kernel |
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| 19:38.23 | hever | greycat, for a user ? |
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| 19:38.30 | greycat | hever: /usr/src/linux, have fun. |
| 19:38.34 | asg | greycat: he could fool around with group ownership of ln and hope they can't code |
| 19:38.36 | daxxar | Strange I got no access denied, then. |
| 19:38.43 | greycat | asg: or upload. |
| 19:38.47 | asg | true |
| 19:38.49 | naudix | What's the standard 'mod' button from emacs all the way to ion window mananager ? |
| 19:38.52 | hever | greycat, is that possible in a easy way for just one user ? |
| 19:38.56 | greycat | hever: NO! |
| 19:38.57 | boukensya | asg: I want to move to at least using 95% keyboard.. right now I use about 85% keyboard.. any suggestions on other cool things I can do to make this happen? (firefox is mostly the keyboard part) plus switching windows in fluxbox is kinda annoying cuz I can't see what I am switching to (in this part maybe a prog that tells you (by icon) what window you are switching to like crappy windows xp does?) |
| 19:38.59 | leOn | pryzbyj: tried both ways ... |
| 19:39.00 | greycat | jesus fucking CHRIST! |
| 19:39.03 | calin | !d-i |
| 19:39.04 | badgers | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 19:39.05 | greycat | which part of "you can't" didn't you understand? |
| 19:39.12 | leOn | same thing with 2.6 and 2.4 |
| 19:39.34 | exknoppix | greycat: ok, one of the suspect lines from "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" says "/dev/hdb3 1025 1027 24097+ e W95 FAT16 (LBA)" ... does that mean anything? |
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| 19:39.43 | moret | hi |
| 19:39.48 | Grock | how can I get a dlink usb wireless device working with debian? |
| 19:39.55 | leOn | hmmm.. wait ... i booted with the default kernel ... should it be bf24 ? |
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| 19:40.09 | greycat | exknoppix: it means you have a FAT16 partition on /dev/hdb3 |
| 19:40.09 | aespinoza | hello to everyone |
| 19:40.13 | leOn | i tried the default kernel (just pressed enter) and with linux26 |
| 19:40.13 | pryzbyj | leOn: yes. |
| 19:40.16 | stew | boukensya: if you want to use firfox witout a mouse, check out conkeror |
| 19:40.18 | asg | leOn: 2.2.20-idepci if you didn't type bf24 |
| 19:40.27 | pryzbyj | leOn: i assume 26 should also have ext3 support .. |
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| 19:40.34 | leOn | 2.2.20 in sarge!? |
| 19:40.39 | greycat | leOn: no, woody. |
| 19:40.39 | moret | I have a old PC, and I want install Debian, it has CD-ROM but BIOS does not detect it, so, I insert CD but at boot the CD does not start, what can I do? |
| 19:40.40 | leOn | ouch |
| 19:40.43 | asg | leOn: thought you meant woody |
| 19:40.47 | leOn | i'm talking about sarge |
| 19:40.48 | greycat | sarge is 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 19:40.50 | asg | leOn: no bf24 on sarge |
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| 19:40.53 | exknoppix | greycat: so would this FAT16 partition cause the Debian installer to not detect the partitions on hdb? |
| 19:41.03 | jjazz | moret: Go into bios settings and tell the bios to boot from the cdrom drive |
| 19:41.05 | thenuke | moret: how about using floppys to do net install? |
| 19:41.10 | greycat | exknoppix: damned if I know. you have it in front of you. I don't. |
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| 19:41.13 | exknoppix | greycat: and, if so, might there be any work around? |
| 19:41.13 | pryzbyj | moret: you can boot a floppy. should be able to install debian woody with 2 disks |
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| 19:41.22 | moret | jjazz: the BIOS does not detect cdrom |
| 19:41.28 | boukensya | stew: conkeror??? |
| 19:41.29 | greycat | exknoppix: partition it the old fashioned way. by hand. with fdisk or cfdisk. |
| 19:41.33 | boukensya | its not it apt |
| 19:41.46 | aespinoza | does anyone know what is the best way to use ttf fonts on linux ? I never had the need for them but now, I need to install a 13,000+ fonts on a system, and I don't know if a fonts server will do, or maybe just use defoma and x-ttcidfont-conf... |
| 19:41.48 | jjazz | moret: How old is this computer? |
| 19:41.48 | dvs | exknoppix: Partition it right now |
| 19:41.54 | leOn | tried both and didn't get it ... also it complained about missing some modules ... should i be using any special installer for a dual MP Athlon box ? |
| 19:41.58 | moret | jazzmans: puf! |
| 19:41.58 | asg | aespinoza: /msg badgers font guide |
| 19:42.16 | moret | jjazz: wait |
| 19:42.25 | Grock | how can I get a dlink usb wireless device working with debian? |
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| 19:42.46 | stew | boukensya: conkeror.mozdev.org i believe, if not google it, its an extension that makes firefox completely kb driven |
| 19:42.49 | boukensya | Grock: what model is the device? |
| 19:42.50 | moret | jjazz: 60 MHz |
| 19:42.54 | exknoppix | dvs: but the hdb harddrive is _already_ partitioned ... I'm using the partitions on from the live Knoppix CD right now ... is only the Debian installer that can't see hdb's partitions |
| 19:42.56 | superSSS | I am able to play sound with mplayer, while booted in 2.4.22, I used the same kernel config for 2.6.11, which doesnt let me play sound. error: cant access /dev/dsp |
| 19:43.07 | moret | jjazz: better other distribution? |
| 19:43.11 | Grock | dlink dwl-122 |
| 19:43.14 | greycat | it's mostly plastic, but with ink in it, and a metal tip, and it makes black lines. |
| 19:43.18 | dvs | exknoppix: Is it currently partitioned the way you want it? |
| 19:43.29 | boukensya | stew: that is awesome... I am gonna check it out.. thanks |
| 19:43.29 | moret | I only want firefox+java, the desktop is indiferent |
| 19:43.37 | nvz | greycat: me too, its a cherry poptart device |
| 19:43.40 | greycat | moret: /msg dpkg install java |
| 19:43.41 | asg | greycat: usb storage or legacy? |
| 19:43.44 | paulswm | I have one of those too, only mine makes blue lines |
| 19:43.49 | greycat | asg: it lacks a USB interface. |
| 19:43.50 | jjazz | moret: Heh. That's slow, but not terrible. I've put Debian on worse... 33Mhz with 12 MB RAM... it will take a while and you won't be compiling kernels, but it will work fine as a print server or such |
| 19:43.51 | pryzbyj | moret: firefox at 66mhz? good lord. how much ram |
| 19:43.57 | aespinoza | asg, thanks |
| 19:43.58 | asg | greycat: ah |
| 19:44.01 | exknoppix | dvs: yep, the paritions are just perfect! now, if only the debian installer would recognize the partitions on hdb as it recognizes hda and hdc's parititions. |
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| 19:44.14 | jjazz | moret: Firefox? Heh. How much RAM does this thing have? |
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| 19:44.23 | dvs | exknoppix: Are they of the right partition types too? |
| 19:44.37 | FieldySnuts | firefox regulary eats up 50 - 90 MB ram |
| 19:44.39 | greycat | jjazz: but you'd have to install potato and upgrade. |
| 19:44.45 | stew | boukensya: its written by the same person who authored ratpoison which you should checkout also if you are committed to being anti mouse :) |
| 19:44.46 | moret | jaja, so....... |
| 19:44.49 | greycat | I don't even think woody will install in 12 MB. |
| 19:44.54 | jjazz | greycat: why? |
| 19:45.01 | boukensya | what about a program that can bring a window up telling you what programs you are switching to when you alt-tab (or whatever you set it to)? |
| 19:45.08 | xinming | by the way, the sarge reached rc stat, does that mean the next stat will be stable? |
| 19:45.08 | greycat | MAYBE woody will install on 12 MB, but I wouldn't count on it. sarge need 24. |
| 19:45.08 | pryzbyj | firefox eats 150MB here. X uses 64 |
| 19:45.09 | jjazz | greycat: It did for me once upon a time. |
| 19:45.21 | jjazz | greycat: I might be misremembering. Perhaps it had 16 |
| 19:45.23 | exknoppix | dvs: I did a "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" and all the partitions are correct except for one odd partition that says "W95 FAT16 (LBA)" |
| 19:45.25 | boukensya | oooh thanks stew.. mouse makes things slow... |
| 19:45.47 | dvs | exknoppix: If you want to change that partition type, do it now. |
| 19:46.13 | stew | install guide says woody requires 16 |
| 19:46.17 | jdjs | thanx asg.. |
| 19:46.18 | stew | mb, that is, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-mmhr |
| 19:46.26 | moret | I have 40 Mb RAM :( |
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| 19:46.44 | miguelanxo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.44 | jjazz | moret: You won't be running firefox then. |
| 19:46.48 | greycat | moret: use fvwm and ... uh ... dillo, or opera, or links. |
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| 19:47.15 | greycat | at least you won't have issues with the installer, apart from speed. |
| 19:47.16 | moret | and will can I run X server? |
| 19:47.17 | exknoppix | dvs: I don't want to change the partition type ... that partition is irrelevant ... the problem is that the Debian installer lets me pick from hda and hdc's partitions but doesn't recognize hdb's partitions ... even though I can see these partitions (in, for example, the Knoppix Live CD) |
| 19:47.20 | greycat | moret: yes. |
| 19:47.29 | moret | ok |
| 19:47.32 | greycat | 40 MB is plenty for a simple X desktop with fvwm and rxvts |
| 19:47.32 | moret | konqueror? |
| 19:47.33 | boukensya | stew: ratpoison is a wm? but I like my flux.. hehe (; |
| 19:47.37 | greycat | moret: dream on. |
| 19:47.40 | Grock | how can I get a dlink dwl 122 usb wireless device working with debian? |
| 19:47.58 | stew | potato only required 12MB http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html#s2.3 |
| 19:47.59 | pryzbyj | Grock: have you compiled a kernel before? |
| 19:47.59 | exknoppix | dvs: I want to use hdb9 but the Debian installer doesn't list hdb9 as a partition to choose from. |
| 19:48.07 | stew | boukensya: yes, its a wm |
| 19:48.17 | Grock | no |
| 19:48.20 | boukensya | (; thanks |
| 19:48.21 | miguelanxo | I've just deinstalled Deian enscript (/usr/bin/enscript) and compiled enscript (usr/local/bin/enscript), How do I update my system so when I do "enscript" in bash it doesn't answer '/usr/bin/enscript: no such file or directory' |
| 19:48.23 | dvs | exknoppix: If that could be the problem and it is not important, then why not change it and see if that makes the install work? |
| 19:48.31 | jjazz | stew: I guess that was potato I put on that Contura Aero... great little lappy |
| 19:48.34 | greycat | miguelanxo: PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH |
| 19:48.38 | moret | how can I run the Debian-Installer CD from floppy? the BIOS does not detect my cdrom |
| 19:48.38 | asg | miguelanxo: add /usr/local/bin/ to your PATH |
| 19:48.39 | miguelanxo | no, |
| 19:48.40 | greycat | !wikifaq miguelanxo DotFiles |
| 19:48.41 | badgers | miguelanxo: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:48.42 | asg | miguelanxo: yes |
| 19:48.45 | miguelanxo | no PATH problem |
| 19:48.50 | pryzbyj | Grock: you'll want to do that, and make it boot. then you can worry about wireless |
| 19:48.50 | greycat | miguelanxo: wrong. |
| 19:48.59 | asg | miguelanxo: give a hoot, don't pollute |
| 19:49.02 | greycat | miguelanxo: or you have a shell other than bash, or you have a WEIRD hash issue. |
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| 19:49.07 | miguelanxo | I've messed up my post |
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| 19:49.14 | greycat | if you're running *csh, we get to point and laugh., |
| 19:49.43 | miguelanxo | what I meant is: I've just deinstalled the debian enscript package just now, and after, I've compiled my own one that goes to /usr/local/bin |
| 19:49.56 | greycat | miguelanxo: hash enscript to fix the ONE CURRENT SHELL that's fucked. |
| 19:49.57 | miguelanxo | but the system "caches" /usr/bin/enscript |
| 19:50.04 | greycat | miguelanxo: bash does, not "the system". |
| 19:50.13 | miguelanxo | ok |
| 19:50.16 | greycat | miguelanxo: if you just closed that window and opened another xterm, even, you'd also be fine. |
| 19:50.22 | gdb | $ rehash |
| 19:50.33 | greycat | bash: help: no help topics match `rehash'. Try `help help' or `man -k rehash' or `info rehash'. |
| 19:50.41 | exknoppix | dvs: ok, deleting the partition is an option. hmm, would it be ok if you looked at my output from "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" and commented on it. I see this odd hdb2 and hdb3 and am wondering what I should do about them |
| 19:50.42 | miguelanxo | ok tnx |
| 19:50.43 | greycat | !cshsmite gdb |
| 19:50.50 | gdb | heh |
| 19:51.08 | jjazz | moret: loadlin might do the trick, but I've never use it myself |
| 19:51.09 | moret | in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/floppy/ , what images I need? |
| 19:51.10 | dvs | exknoppix: Do it in #flood |
| 19:51.15 | greycat | it's really too bad that badgers can't intercept "/msg dpkg csh" :( |
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| 19:51.57 | gdb | wow, guess it's been a long time, forgot that's a cshism |
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| 19:54.58 | travisat | so what happened to dpkg |
| 19:55.17 | paulswm | :test |
| 19:55.18 | boukensya | stew: I never used emacs before.. any way to find out how to use it? |
| 19:55.20 | paulswm | !test |
| 19:55.21 | badgers | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
| 19:55.29 | paulswm | Ah, badgers |
| 19:55.31 | exknoppix | paulswm: what does it mean to "redo the whole table" ... is this something that I can do from fdisk? |
| 19:55.38 | greycat | badgers, cshsmite $1 is <reply> ($1: No match|/usr/local/bin/$1: Command not found.|Reset $1 pgrp from 9341 to 26678|$1: Ambiguous.|$1: Undefined variable.|$1: Event not found.) |
| 19:55.39 | badgers | okay, greycat |
| 19:55.44 | boukensya | conkeror that is |
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| 19:55.50 | m0rbid | ok LILO problem, I just removed LILO and apt-get installed grub, what do I have to do from here? |
| 19:55.50 | Toulouse | hi@all |
| 19:55.52 | dvs | exknoppix: He means delete all the patitions and create them again |
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| 19:56.07 | stew | boukensya: help is ctrl-h i |
| 19:56.14 | exknoppix | dvs: ok, thanks |
| 19:56.20 | Toulouse | is there a way to mount ntfs devices? |
| 19:56.24 | greycat | yes. |
| 19:56.25 | stew | boukensya: if you haven't used emacs before you are not likely to enjoy conkeror |
| 19:56.26 | dvs | exknoppix: Create them without hdb3 |
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| 19:56.33 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 19:56.33 | dpkg | Since Fri Mar 11 19:56:13 2005, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 21s this session, and currently reference 25243 factoids. I'm using about 13900 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.38/0.16 child 0.02/0.01 |
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| 19:56.40 | dondelelcaro | damn fucking IPC bug |
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| 19:56.52 | chealer | !tell Toulouse about ntfs |
| 19:57.00 | greycat | @wb dpkg |
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| 19:57.05 | ravenbird | Welcome back dpkg, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 19:57.12 | greycat | dpkg, cshsmite $1 is <reply> ($1: No match|/usr/local/bin/$1: Command not found.|Reset $1 pgrp from 9341 to 26678|$1: Ambiguous.|$1: Undefined variable.|$1: Event not found.) |
| 19:57.12 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:57.20 | paulswm | exknoppix: You might try what dvs said, but I would prolly rewrite the whole thing. You can do it from fdisk, cfdisk or sfdisk. If you have data on the partitions, back it up first or be careful to make the start/end points exactly the same. If you haven't got anything on there you care about, just go into cfdisk, delete all the partitions and recerate them again |
| 19:57.33 | paulswm | recreate |
| 19:57.38 | dvs | without hdb3 |
| 19:57.53 | paulswm | ^^ what dvs said |
| 19:57.54 | chealer | !tell Toulouse about ro-ntfs |
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| 19:58.01 | boukensya | stew well I want to learn them /: ctl-h i first brings up history and with 'i' it brings up page information |
| 19:58.05 | miguelanxo_ | does debain have something like solaris "dfshares"? |
| 19:58.14 | FieldySnuts | miguelanxo: what does dfshares do? |
| 19:58.17 | greycat | Boss! De Bain! De Bain! |
| 19:58.22 | miguelanxo_ | list remote nfs shares |
| 19:58.34 | FieldySnuts | oh okay, don't know enough about nfs to answer |
| 19:58.48 | FieldySnuts | badgers: nfs? |
| 19:58.49 | badgers | hmm... nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs' |
| 19:58.49 | pryzbyj | miguelanxo: local shares? or those available on a given remote machine? |
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| 19:58.55 | m0rbid | wouldnt smbtree list remote nfs shares? |
| 19:58.57 | asg | greycat: was he running csh? |
| 19:58.58 | stew | boukensya: you aren't running conkeror then, go back to the conkeror page which tells you how to install and run it, you need to start firefox with a command line switch |
| 19:58.58 | abrotman | dpkg hello |
| 19:58.59 | dpkg | bonjour, abrotman |
| 19:59.04 | FieldySnuts | no, because smb has nothing to do with nfs |
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| 19:59.37 | m0rbid | well back to my LILO Problem what doe4s LILO 40 40 40 40 ... mean |
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| 19:59.56 | m0rbid | it wont boot unless I use a boot disk |
| 19:59.58 | dondelelcaro | m0rbid: see /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.CommonProblems |
| 20:00.05 | m0rbid | dondelelcaro: thx |
| 20:00.10 | boukensya | hmm.. it says it is running.. okay Well I will figure it out.. thanks for all your help stew (; |
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| 20:00.35 | Pappa | can i check which package contains a specific file? |
| 20:00.42 | dondelelcaro | Pappa: yes. /msg dpkg search |
| 20:00.44 | jetscreamer | apt-file pappa |
| 20:00.50 | pryzbyj | Pappa: also, apt-file, or packages.debian.org |
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| 20:01.21 | zno | I'm about to upgrade my kernel image from 2.4.27 to 2.6.8 any warnings or gotchas? |
| 20:01.22 | leOn | there is something very wrong here ... there isn't any module for a 3c59x based card in the sarge installer... |
| 20:01.43 | dondelelcaro | leOn: sure there is |
| 20:02.05 | Phated | Oh yes there is. |
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| 20:02.17 | stew | boukensya: whats "it" did you start firefox with a -chrome switch? |
| 20:02.18 | pryzbyj | zno: install module-init-tools |
| 20:02.19 | leOn | dondelelcaro: looked in the /lib/modules/whateverkernelisuses/ dir and didn't find it |
| 20:02.25 | dondelelcaro | (the only way there wouldn't be a module is if its compiled in) |
| 20:02.26 | greycat | leOn: dmesg | grep eth |
| 20:02.34 | greycat | leOn: ifconfig -a |
| 20:02.34 | m0rbid | leOn: make sure it didnt install it by default, usually it does find it. |
| 20:02.41 | jetscreamer | sarge installer |
| 20:02.50 | zno | ~faq |
| 20:02.51 | dvs | zno: You have to move any customizations from /etc/modutils to /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 20:02.53 | leOn | ifconfig -a shows nothing .. also thought it could be compiled in the kernel |
| 20:03.18 | maitrefolas | hi all |
| 20:03.27 | boukensya | stew: same thing if I started it normally (threw my windows key e starting up firefox) |
| 20:03.28 | jetscreamer | leOn, try expert26 |
| 20:03.50 | leOn | my first try was with expert26 |
| 20:03.51 | maitrefolas | i'm french and need help if someone could help me ? :o) |
| 20:03.56 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 20:03.56 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:03.57 | badgers | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 20:04.08 | jetscreamer | !botspam |
| 20:04.08 | greycat | leOn: then try expert or expert24 |
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| 20:04.14 | jetscreamer | 26 |
| 20:04.14 | maitrefolas | merci dpkg |
| 20:04.20 | stew | boukensya: you need to start firefox like this: "firefox -chrome chrome://conkeror/content" like it says on the webpage |
| 20:04.27 | leOn | it's a dual mp athlon machine .. but i'm not aware of any problems with that type of machine.. |
| 20:04.43 | greycat | sussudio: badgers can leave now. |
| 20:05.14 | boukensya | sorrt stew.. I am a slow cheers (; |
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| 20:05.46 | leOn | is there an installer with an amd smp capable kernel ? |
| 20:05.53 | jetscreamer | don't think so |
| 20:06.03 | pryzbyj | leOn: an *installer*? |
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| 20:06.04 | jetscreamer | iirc smp is discussed on the debian installer page |
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| 20:06.16 | jetscreamer | and it says NO |
| 20:06.19 | jetscreamer | but i forget |
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| 20:06.26 | d03boy | e libary waiting for next class |
| 20:06.32 | qwertz | Hi! Has anybody some useful links/howtos/docs about using acl's? |
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| 20:06.50 | d03boy | qwertz, whats an acl |
| 20:06.56 | jetscreamer | access control list |
| 20:06.56 | Pappa | access control lists |
| 20:06.59 | d03boy | cool |
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| 20:07.35 | boukensya | looks good stew.. gonna spend some time learning the features now.. cheer heaps for your help |
| 20:07.52 | jetscreamer | my fucking van broke, but i believe it's under warranty |
| 20:08.12 | boukensya | I appreciate it |
| 20:08.12 | superSSS | I get this error: k3b did not find a suitable writer, you will only be able to create an image... |
| 20:08.13 | jetscreamer | apt-get install newcar didn't work |
| 20:08.21 | pureone | hehe |
| 20:08.24 | jetscreamer | superSSS, what kernel |
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| 20:08.32 | superSSS | jetscreamer: 2.4.22 |
| 20:08.34 | greycat | !faq superSSS |
| 20:08.37 | dpkg | superSSS: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 20:08.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you must first `apt-get --purge remove POS-car` |
| 20:08.48 | jetscreamer | superSSS, do you have the scsi stuff loaded? |
| 20:08.57 | superSSS | i did modprobe ide-scsi |
| 20:09.06 | cat | superSSS: and what happend? |
| 20:09.06 | jetscreamer | i think you need sg also |
| 20:09.17 | jetscreamer | but i forget exactly |
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| 20:09.42 | greycat | abrotman: not removing POS-car because: shitty-job depends on POS-car |
| 20:09.48 | superSSS | i forgot to exit k3b and restart now it works |
| 20:09.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:09.57 | Pappa | you can always moo |
| 20:10.00 | abrotman | !moo |
| 20:10.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 20:10.02 | greycat | abrotman: expensive-girlfriend depends on shitty-job |
| 20:10.02 | OutCast3k | [moo] [OS] Windows XP Professional (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 6d 20h 1m 27s [CPU] 1-Intel Pentium III (Cu), 794MHz, 256KB (0% Load) [RAM] Usage: 97/126MB (76.98%) [||||||||--] [Hard Drive] C:\ (2.90GB Free, 9.77GB Total), D:\ (1.31GB Free, 8.85GB Total) |
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| 20:10.05 | jetscreamer | actually, the pos makes me money.. but my spare is 300 miles away |
| 20:10.20 | abrotman | greycat: purge gf? .. all problems gone ? |
| 20:10.26 | jetscreamer | OutCast3k was banned yesterday i thought |
| 20:10.45 | greycat | abrotman: Can not purge expensive-girlfriend because expensive-girlfriend is marked Essential. To confirm, please type "Yes, do as I say!" |
| 20:10.45 | TGM | What happened to archive.debian.org? tracert reports: "11 99 ms 90 ms pos9-0.er1a.iad1.us.above.net [64.125.28.54] reports: Destination host unreachable." |
| 20:10.52 | OutCast3k | jetscreamer, nope... :\ |
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| 20:11.09 | abrotman | greycat: wouldn't `cost-effective gf` be better on system resources ? |
| 20:11.13 | jetscreamer | musta been some other outcast :) |
| 20:11.22 | OutCast3k | jetscreamer, what did i do to be banned? lol... i'll leave if its a big deal though :P |
| 20:11.28 | OutCast3k | jetscreamer, ah ok |
| 20:11.39 | jetscreamer | no i'm serious, somebody yesterday.. |
| 20:11.40 | greycat | abrotman: Couldn't find package cost-effective-girlfriend |
| 20:11.55 | abrotman | greycat: apparently you need to use unofficial sources from russia ... |
| 20:12.00 | greycat | abrotman: ah. |
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| 20:12.09 | jetscreamer | !abrotman++ |
| 20:12.09 | greycat | abrotman: I've never tried those sources |
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| 20:12.18 | sussudio | greycat: they've heard of you. |
| 20:12.24 | fbb | i have a problem with samba, i can only tranfer files between linux and windows xp at ~35k/s, and between win xp and win xp it is much faster, about 1mb/s, is there a common problem causing this that i may be causing? |
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| 20:12.36 | abrotman | greycat: either that or .. `apt-get install lifetime-of-solitude-and-beer` |
| 20:12.38 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:12.39 | sussudio | in soviet russia, sources try you. |
| 20:12.40 | ^Ocean^ | whats a goor program to change the bitrate of a mp3 ? |
| 20:12.49 | greycat | ^Ocean^: lame |
| 20:12.58 | greycat | (and the original CD, of course) |
| 20:12.59 | sussudio | ^Ocean^: it's called "being a fuckard for re-encoding" |
| 20:13.01 | bruno_ | I am struggling to find drivers fr my Conexant Pci Hsf Modem, can anyone help? |
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| 20:13.04 | jim | so you want a poor program? |
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| 20:13.17 | greycat | jim: no, a goor one. |
| 20:13.17 | jetscreamer | bruno_, linmodems.org and good luck |
| 20:13.24 | ^Ocean^ | sussudio, lol, no i wanna lower the bit rate to put it as a ring toan on my phone |
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| 20:13.43 | jim | greycat: oh! I sit corected! |
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| 20:13.45 | greycat | ^Ocean^: decode it and re-encode it. but you'd be better off if you had the original CD. |
| 20:13.46 | bruno_ | i have the linmodem drivers installed, they only give me a speed of 14 kbps |
| 20:13.48 | sussudio | ring toan? |
| 20:13.57 | ^Ocean^ | green_earz, i do :) |
| 20:13.59 | greycat | sussudio: don't bother. he's not capable of spelling, apparently. |
| 20:13.59 | ^Ocean^ | er |
| 20:14.02 | jim | for joan's boan |
| 20:14.13 | greycat | her phemurr? |
| 20:14.14 | zamolxes | toad |
| 20:14.19 | m0rbid_ | ok when I do: reck:/usr/lib/lilo# make -f Makefile.floppy.. I get: make: *** No rule to make target `disk.com', needed by `floppy'. Stop. |
| 20:14.19 | ^Ocean^ | greycat, well its a track i cant get on CD so |
| 20:14.26 | jetscreamer | you sit on joan's boanz? |
| 20:14.30 | greycat | ^Ocean^: so decode and re-encode. mpg321 and lame. |
| 20:14.33 | m0rbid_ | as said in the lilo docs. |
| 20:14.49 | TGM | What happened to archive.debian.org? |
| 20:14.54 | jim | I think Chick Corea liked Joans boans |
| 20:15.01 | jim | cause he wrote a tune |
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| 20:15.22 | jim | Toans for Joan's Boanz |
| 20:15.23 | greycat | her kallerboan? |
| 20:15.40 | solomon1 | anyone here play with bchunk much? |
| 20:15.56 | m0rbid_ | another dumb question (mainly cause I never had to do this!) how do I format a floppy? |
| 20:16.06 | jim | fdformat |
| 20:16.09 | helix | why would anyone play with that? |
| 20:16.09 | jim | superformat |
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| 20:16.14 | m0rbid_ | thx |
| 20:16.22 | jetscreamer | we all call ours something different... |
| 20:16.32 | fbb | does anyone have samba working, where it transfers files to windows as fast as windows-to-windows file/print sharing? |
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| 20:16.52 | greycat | fbb: #samba might. |
| 20:17.07 | fbb | ok thanks |
| 20:17.17 | greycat | I consider it a victory if the files move at all. |
| 20:17.25 | superSSS | If i write a blank CD with 48x speed will it be readable with 4x speed cd-reader? |
| 20:17.26 | jim | fbb: also "Using Samba" is a free ebook from orielly |
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| 20:17.33 | greycat | superSSS: yes |
| 20:17.37 | jetscreamer | speaking of, some hp employee's are debian devs, and hp uses debian as it's dev environment |
| 20:17.47 | greycat | jetscreamer: bdale++ |
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| 20:18.08 | greycat | !apostrophesmite jetscreamer |
| 20:18.18 | helix | bdale is very tall |
| 20:18.26 | greycat | helix: I've never even seen a phot. |
| 20:18.28 | greycat | photo* |
| 20:18.29 | jetscreamer | where is my extra apostrophe |
| 20:18.32 | greycat | jetscreamer: you had two. |
| 20:18.34 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:18.35 | superSSS | greycat: what is the correct speed for writing music, on some cd players you can hear background noise when writing too fast |
| 20:18.38 | greycat | employee's and it's |
| 20:18.40 | helix | greycat: oh, heh. he's a big dude :) |
| 20:18.43 | jetscreamer | employees |
| 20:18.49 | jim | jetscreamer: here's a few! '''' |
| 20:19.07 | jetscreamer | yuk yuk yuk.. and yuck |
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| 20:19.14 | greycat | superSSS: that's between you, your drive, your firmware, your media, your software, and your ears. |
| 20:19.21 | greycat | superSSS: use whatever works. |
| 20:19.29 | helix | poor jetscreamer. he needs to read _eats, shoots & leaves_ |
| 20:19.36 | jjazz | superSSS: when in doubt, go slower |
| 20:19.38 | jim | jetscreamer: welp... you made it seem like you were lookin for em |
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| 20:20.14 | helix | pandas are cute |
| 20:20.20 | EdibleText | dvs, its a holdup at a diner |
| 20:20.21 | thomas_adam | xhelix. |
| 20:20.25 | helix | :) |
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| 20:20.33 | greycat | how can you hate pandas? other than that <panda> guy who keeps coming here, of course. |
| 20:20.34 | jim | what did the pandas ever do to yue? |
| 20:20.39 | jetscreamer | i love you hunny wuggums |
| 20:20.47 | helix | thomas_adam: remember that bear? I got a hand puppet of it -- it even has the little dude it can attack |
| 20:20.49 | chealer | hum, are the red coins in neverball easy level 25 really worth only 5 points? :) |
| 20:20.55 | thomas_adam | helix: Aww. :) |
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| 20:21.16 | helix | thomas_adam: http://www.kidrobot.com/shop.php?sku=6719&Category=Cube%20%26%20Gloomy%20Bear |
| 20:21.24 | stew | !fist a bear |
| 20:21.40 | helix | yeah, it is kinda like fisting |
| 20:21.44 | thomas_adam | hehehehe. |
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| 20:21.59 | helix | the little dude is a finger puppet |
| 20:22.13 | puppet | omfg stop hilighting me ;D |
| 20:22.24 | helix | haha |
| 20:22.35 | jim | puppet: then stop being such a common noun!! |
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| 20:22.37 | puppet | im trying to surf pr0n! |
| 20:22.43 | puppet | and all i hear is PIP PIP PIP |
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| 20:22.46 | jim | puppet pr0n |
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| 20:22.57 | jjazz | puppet: So is having a fist up your ass helping or hurting the situation? |
| 20:23.04 | paulswm | HAHAHA |
| 20:23.06 | puppet | jjazz: i just coredumped |
| 20:23.15 | puppet | hahahaha |
| 20:23.16 | peterS | omg it's someone from the cast of Team America |
| 20:23.19 | puppet | im so bored ;D |
| 20:23.20 | jim | puppet: helix said you can finger puppets |
| 20:23.21 | jjazz | ew... fisting is borderline... scat is definitely overboard |
| 20:23.26 | puppet | lol |
| 20:23.41 | helix | I am so sorry I nick hilighted you |
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| 20:23.49 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:23.52 | puppet | Bay Networks Centillion 100 switch, 100 10/100 switched ports at home for 280$ is that ok? ;D |
| 20:24.04 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fist peterS |
| 20:24.13 | greycat | you're surfing for network switch pr0n?? |
| 20:24.16 | puppet | btw what am I gone use 100 10/100 ports to? |
| 20:24.21 | puppet | greycat: yeah |
| 20:24.29 | FieldySnuts | ooh baby stick it in the port till it clicks? |
| 20:24.37 | puppet | greycat: http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_11969453 (swedishsite) but pr0n image |
| 20:24.58 | FieldySnuts | great. you know somebody out there is going to create a networking hardware porn site. |
| 20:25.16 | puppet | greycat: its workfriendley |
| 20:25.20 | helix | FieldySnuts: there is already a cat5-o-nine-tails |
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| 20:25.26 | greycat | FieldySnuts: have you seen the power-cord pr0n site yet? sorry I can't give the URL... been way too long. |
| 20:25.36 | FieldySnuts | not aware of either |
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| 20:25.54 | jim | FieldySnuts: with hermaphrodite routers? |
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| 20:26.27 | streuner | puppet: what are 3000 SEK in Euros or US-dollars? |
| 20:26.28 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 20:26.39 | FieldySnuts | "flash my firmware!" |
| 20:26.49 | kbs | I'm trying to install stable with a usb floppy (used the bf2.4 floppy set) but it's unable to access the floppy when it comes time to load the root.bin -- is there a magic boot option that I can give, or is installing from a usb floppy not going to be possible for stable? |
| 20:26.52 | puppet | streuner: ~280 us |
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| 20:27.14 | puppet | I think im gone bid on it |
| 20:27.17 | dvs | Swedish Krone? |
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| 20:27.38 | jim | "that's it, make the physical link... negotiate... now connect to me baby!" |
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| 20:27.51 | streuner | dvs: yep |
| 20:28.17 | dvs | streuner: I thought they had euros |
| 20:28.25 | EdibleText | jim, three way handshake has never been more suggestive |
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| 20:28.31 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 20:28.38 | puppet | 3000 SEK = |
| 20:28.39 | puppet | 434,23 USD |
| 20:28.40 | puppet | was it |
| 20:28.46 | FieldySnuts | "my ports are in promiscuous mode" |
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| 20:28.52 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:28.58 | paulswm | !prize FieldySnuts |
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| 20:29.06 | jim | "I'll take one at a time or all at once!" |
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| 20:29.07 | streuner | dvs: some members of EU still have their own stuff ;-) |
| 20:29.11 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 20:29.19 | FieldySnuts | hey baby do you take 24 or 48 jacks |
| 20:29.21 | paulswm | !beer abrotman |
| 20:29.24 | puppet | i was looking for a used rack :/ |
| 20:29.30 | FieldySnuts | nice rack! |
| 20:29.37 | EdibleText | milf |
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| 20:29.45 | jim | got milf? |
| 20:29.49 | Opiated | Got Milf? |
| 20:29.55 | Opiated | jynx |
| 20:29.57 | jim | hah :P |
| 20:29.58 | Opiated | lol |
| 20:29.59 | EdibleText | milf=used rack |
| 20:30.03 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 20:30.11 | FieldySnuts | the screw holes have been used before |
| 20:30.20 | paulswm | Eeew |
| 20:30.23 | Ftroop | help ! how do i get emu 10k for audigy installed i have no sound :( |
| 20:30.27 | Opiated | I turn 24 tomorrow |
| 20:30.28 | FieldySnuts | some of them are damaged..... |
| 20:30.38 | Biovore | I wonder how many 1U rack mounts you can fit in it.. :-) |
| 20:30.40 | abrotman | DbebWK: spam ? |
| 20:30.41 | jim | Ftroop: you want alsa or oss? |
| 20:30.45 | dvs | Ftroop: modprobe? |
| 20:30.47 | streuner | Ftroop: uhm, audigy is a bitch... ;-) |
| 20:30.49 | jjazz | damn azureus is a memory hog. Friggin java apps... write once, run everywhere, as in run in every damn block of RAM it can find. |
| 20:30.58 | jim | (note, you'll have to go toward alsa eventually anyway) |
| 20:31.00 | FieldySnuts | fuck java* |
| 20:31.03 | dvs | Ftroop: "modprobe emu10k1 |
| 20:31.03 | greycat | write once, run nowhere. |
| 20:31.06 | Ftroop | alsa |
| 20:31.08 | FieldySnuts | athere you go |
| 20:31.10 | streuner | Ftroop: audigy have different chipsets, that causes headaches ;-) |
| 20:31.16 | abrotman | kline DbebWK please |
| 20:31.21 | dvs | Ftroop: "modprobe snd_emu10k1" then unmute the channels |
| 20:31.22 | greycat | the oss emu10k1 doesn't support audigy AFAIK |
| 20:31.29 | greycat | maybe audigy1 but certainly not audigy2 |
| 20:31.56 | Ftroop | i was not given a kernel module on installing will i have to recompile a 2.6 kernel |
| 20:32.09 | Ftroop | using sarge |
| 20:32.15 | streuner | Ftroop: maybe alsa-src help... |
| 20:32.27 | greycat | Ftroop: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 or something. |
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| 20:32.42 | greycat | or use module-assistant if you want to build modules for a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:33.08 | dvs | Ftroop: Listen to greycat |
| 20:33.09 | jim | Ftroop: probably the install doesn't assume you have sound hardware even tho the kernel probably has sound modules included |
| 20:33.14 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart Siropel__ |
| 20:33.22 | Ftroop | so is it better to install 2.6 kernel then |
| 20:33.36 | streuner | for newer hardware, yes |
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| 20:34.15 | Ftroop | :( ok thanks all only just got my damn geforce 4 4000 working lmao |
| 20:34.25 | Ftroop | back to the console lol |
| 20:34.46 | cat | how can u download emacs? |
| 20:34.55 | greycat | cat: man apt-get |
| 20:34.57 | jim | cat: easy |
| 20:35.01 | streuner | !find emacs |
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| 20:35.20 | jim | cat: first you have to have a connection to a machine that has emacs |
| 20:35.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'emacs' (7 of 43): (/usr/bin/emacsw) in misc/launcher ;; (/usr/bin/qemacs) in editors/qemacs ;; (/usr/bin/emacs21-x) in editors/emacs21 ;; (/usr/bin/camlp4o_pr_emacs) in devel/otags ;; (/usr/bin/emacs21-nox) in editors/emacs21-nox ;; (/usr/bin/dh_installemacsen) in devel/debhelper ;; (/usr/lib/Amaya/config/amaya.emacs) in web/amaya. |
| 20:35.53 | jim | !info qemacs |
| 20:35.58 | dpkg | qemacs: (Small emacs clone editor with HTML and DocBook editing support), section editors, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 715 kB, Installed size: 1100 kB |
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| 20:36.09 | greycat | FSVO small. |
| 20:36.27 | jim | hmm, that wasn't what I expected |
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| 20:37.10 | ultramancool | hi |
| 20:37.19 | jim | lo |
| 20:37.30 | ultramancool | i hate irc noone talk |
| 20:37.35 | jim | well |
| 20:37.38 | jim | talk :P |
| 20:38.00 | jjazz | ultramancool: maybe we're all just intimidated by your nick |
| 20:38.02 | jim | but this is a techie channel |
| 20:38.03 | ultramancool | well at least i figured out KVirc |
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| 20:38.29 | lonebear | video question: asus (radeon or geoforce) or ati radeon better choice for server video? |
| 20:38.37 | ultramancool | can u plz give me a better nick then |
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| 20:38.50 | abrotman | lonebear: something less complicated .. like a crap pci card |
| 20:38.53 | ultramancool | NVIDIA |
| 20:38.53 | jim | ultramancool: wubba |
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| 20:39.04 | poSca | hey |
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| 20:39.16 | jjazz | ultramancool: How about PhatAssSkeeze? |
| 20:39.16 | greycat | lonebear: what is "server video"? |
| 20:39.17 | abrotman | lonebear: or if you can find an old ATI Rage or something |
| 20:39.19 | ultramancool | NVIDIA's driver is open source (or atleast for the most part) |
| 20:39.36 | lonebear | video on a bachine that will be my new server |
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| 20:39.49 | poSca | apt-get problems.. someone got a few sec to help out ? |
| 20:39.49 | Phated | Why would you need video on a server? |
| 20:39.53 | ultramancool | OK i'm off to find a decent nick |
| 20:39.57 | jjazz | lonebear: If it's just a server, it doesn't need much video. |
| 20:40.06 | greycat | lonebear: just use whatever's built into the motherboard unless it's sucking real RAM. |
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| 20:40.13 | ultramancool | no probably none u can just use ssh |
| 20:40.22 | _manuel | can I install Debian sarge on G5 dual system? |
| 20:40.26 | greycat | !tell ultramancool about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:40.34 | lonebear | the mb does not have on board video. am looking at Asus N8&vX-E deluxe |
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| 20:41.11 | mrstocks | Anyone from france needs help? (in french) |
| 20:41.13 | lonebear | i knowe it doesn't need much video. i'm trying to avoid any headaches with the low end choices. |
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| 20:41.33 | ultramancool | nope tried it :-)\ |
| 20:41.34 | lonebear | or if anyone can recommend a good vendor... |
| 20:41.48 | streuner | mrstocks: try #debian-fr |
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| 20:41.55 | mrstocks | thanks |
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| 20:42.07 | ultramancool | BI |
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| 20:42.12 | greycat | lonebear: find a video card in a PC in the dumpster. |
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| 20:42.22 | abrotman | pseubodot: ping |
| 20:42.27 | greycat | lonebear: if you won't be running X, it doesn't MATTER what video card is in it. |
| 20:42.30 | dvs | lonebear: Server video cards don't have to be powerful |
| 20:42.32 | lonebear | i have plenty of video cards. that is NOT the question at hand. |
| 20:42.33 | rovragge | I have a bunch of mp3:s which hastily need to be burned on a audio cd, what's a fast and nice (tm) tool to do that with? |
| 20:42.40 | greycat | lonebear: then what is the question? |
| 20:42.47 | greycat | !hurry |
| 20:42.47 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 20:43.18 | jjazz | rovragge: k3b is pretty nice |
| 20:43.26 | cat | !k3b |
| 20:43.26 | dpkg | well, k3b is A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or k3b.sf.net, or 'teh uber'! |
| 20:43.42 | rovragge | apt-get install mp3burn is what i'm doing currently |
| 20:43.47 | jjazz | rovragge: dunno if it will do the conversion, tho |
| 20:43.49 | rovragge | k3b needs kdelibs |
| 20:43.53 | lonebear | the vendor i am looking at to build this box (os free) has as their 64mb offerings asus v9400 (geoforce) or asus a7000 (radeon). |
| 20:44.10 | lonebear | i know they are minimally supported. i'm looking for the lesser evil |
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| 20:44.23 | greycat | lonebear: just get the cheapest one. |
| 20:44.23 | dvs | lonebear: I'd take the a7000 |
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| 20:45.08 | FieldySnuts | i'd stay away from anything with ati on it, at least for linux |
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| 20:45.18 | FieldySnuts | the drivers suck major balls |
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| 20:45.23 | greycat | FieldySnuts: but he said it's a "server", whatever that means to him. |
| 20:45.28 | FieldySnuts | oh okay I missed that |
| 20:45.31 | FieldySnuts | screw it then |
| 20:45.32 | greycat | FieldySnuts: if he's not going to run X, he doesn't need anything to be "supported?" |
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| 20:45.35 | greycat | s/\?// |
| 20:45.44 | FieldySnuts | yeah doesn't matter then |
| 20:45.49 | lonebear | greycat: a server. as in a machine that serves data to the internet and intranet at home |
| 20:45.59 | ToweringRooter | just run the server and use a vnc client from a decent box |
| 20:45.59 | greycat | lonebear: so you don't even NEED a video card once it's installed and running. |
| 20:46.01 | mirak | greycat: in case you want to install hurd from the mini iso, knows you should still select a cd rom install and not a network install |
| 20:46.02 | FieldySnuts | uh. we know what a server is, dickweed. |
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| 20:46.08 | greycat | lonebear: so get the cheapest damned thing you can. |
| 20:46.13 | lonebear | i love ignore |
| 20:46.14 | mirak | greycat: that was the problem I had |
| 20:46.16 | FieldySnuts | there you go make it headless, kind of like abrotmans sex life |
| 20:46.20 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
| 20:46.23 | greycat | FieldySnuts: ouch! |
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| 20:46.48 | JohanP | hi all |
| 20:46.56 | ToweringRooter | <sarcasm>we really needed to know the definition of server</sarcasm> |
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| 20:47.22 | greycat | ToweringRooter: actually, we do. you'd be amazed at how diverse our user community is with respect to their use of the language... |
| 20:47.29 | ToweringRooter | LOL using chatzilla in firefox |
| 20:47.30 | FieldySnuts | what a weakling. |
| 20:47.32 | greycat | what attitude? |
| 20:47.33 | FieldySnuts | no doubt |
| 20:47.38 | JohanP | what's the best way to install the latest 2.4.x kernel on woody? |
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| 20:47.43 | greycat | JohanP: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:48.03 | greycat | firefox 1.0.1 no less. not a debian user. |
| 20:48.04 | Eclipser | oo |
| 20:48.08 | Eclipser | someone fixed dpkg |
| 20:48.09 | ToweringRooter | use apt-get |
| 20:48.12 | greycat | Eclipser: dondelelcaro did. |
| 20:48.31 | streuner | who else? |
| 20:48.32 | ToweringRooter | it's really easy just apt-get insatll kernel-image (random numbers :-)) |
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| 20:48.41 | greycat | and I still don't know what attitude he was referring to. we gave him some damned fine advice, and we were polite. |
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| 20:48.53 | FieldySnuts | greycat: last second troll, i guess |
| 20:48.56 | JohanP | greycat: yes I know about kernel-package. But woody official sources only has up to 2.4.19. I want 2.4.27 |
| 20:48.56 | elirips | hello. how can i find out the ip of the computers in my network available? |
| 20:48.58 | greycat | ToweringRooter: the "latest" 2.4.x kernel in woody is 2.4.18. |
| 20:48.59 | ToweringRooter | who r u talking about |
| 20:49.03 | greycat | JohanP: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:49.07 | JYL57 | hello Debian, how to retrieve last KDE crash data and/or broken packages ?! |
| 20:49.13 | greycat | ToweringRooter: lonebear |
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| 20:49.20 | ToweringRooter | no |
| 20:49.23 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: r u? |
| 20:49.25 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
| 20:49.28 | ToweringRooter | ni |
| 20:49.28 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 20:49.30 | ToweringRooter | no |
| 20:49.33 | ToweringRooter | i'm using debian |
| 20:49.40 | FieldySnuts | who are you talking to |
| 20:49.44 | ToweringRooter | sarge |
| 20:49.44 | XinmingLai_ | anyone here can give me another mirror for downloading the newest netinstall.iso? I can't download from image.debian.org |
| 20:49.47 | FieldySnuts | nevermind who cares |
| 20:49.59 | greycat | 15:49 ravenbird> FieldySnuts: are you using Windows? |
| 20:50.01 | ToweringRooter | This is soooooooooooooooo unorganized |
| 20:50.01 | greycat | 15:49 ToweringRooter> i'm using debian |
| 20:50.06 | FieldySnuts | ass. |
| 20:50.16 | XinmingLai_ | anyone here would help? |
| 20:50.23 | greycat | !tell XinmingLai_ about ask |
| 20:50.30 | greycat | XinmingLai_: why can't you? |
| 20:50.31 | abrotman | greycat: he did |
| 20:50.33 | ToweringRooter | what's ur prob |
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| 20:50.43 | abrotman | !ur |
| 20:50.43 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 20:50.44 | FieldySnuts | when you learn to spell, you may talk to me |
| 20:50.54 | ToweringRooter | ShUT UP |
| 20:51.00 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, I always get error with "Sat Mar 12 04:49:54 2005 Error occured! Socket Error=10054 Network is unreachable. Please read user manual for more information." |
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| 20:51.06 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: learn how to speak |
| 20:51.11 | XinmingLai_ | I am using flashget to download it. |
| 20:51.12 | FieldySnuts | i wasn't talking to you, but since you stepped in, it applies to you, too |
| 20:51.16 | jim | ToweringRooter: ya have to take it as it comes |
| 20:51.21 | greycat | do I *want* to know what the fuck a flashget is? |
| 20:51.22 | ToweringRooter | i know how to speak i just like typing crap really fast |
| 20:51.33 | abrotman | crap .. nice description |
| 20:51.37 | solomon1 | it's really fast to hold down shift randomly while typing? |
| 20:51.38 | ToweringRooter | flashget is a really bad download manager |
| 20:51.44 | jim | crapcrapcrapcrapcrap |
| 20:51.46 | FieldySnuts | yeah well if you can't be bothered to spell properly to me, i can't be bothered to care |
| 20:51.50 | jim | nope, doesn't do anything for me |
| 20:51.52 | solomon1 | THiS SEeMs SLOwER tO mE |
| 20:51.52 | greycat | ToweringRooter: so don't use it. |
| 20:51.57 | FieldySnuts | ToweringRooter: anything to do with macromedia? |
| 20:52.01 | ToweringRooter | 1337 sucks |
| 20:52.05 | FieldySnuts | wtf? |
| 20:52.07 | jim | yep |
| 20:52.25 | FieldySnuts | screw it, I give up (again) |
| 20:52.39 | ToweringRooter | typing u and ur is much faster than typing you and you're |
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| 20:52.52 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:52.52 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:52.54 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, keep you mouth clean. if you don't want to help. shut your mouse |
| 20:53.01 | jim | ToweringRooter: but it's harder to understand and frankly makes you look dumb |
| 20:53.06 | abrotman | !d-i XinmingLai_ |
| 20:53.06 | dpkg | XinmingLai_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 20:53.10 | solomon1 | ToweringRooter: but if you like typing fast then why did you hold down the shift key randomly while typing "shut up"? |
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| 20:53.23 | ToweringRooter | it was an accident :-) |
| 20:53.25 | XinmingLai_ | abrotman, I've tried there. really not help |
| 20:53.31 | pipeline | ToweringRooter: It's only faster if you're a goddamned idiot. Install gtypist. |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | XinmingLai_: why not? |
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| 20:53.36 | Chris20 | Hi all |
| 20:53.37 | solomon1 | pipeline: hehehe |
| 20:53.43 | pipeline | ToweringRooter: http://www.gnu.org/software/gtypist/ |
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| 20:53.48 | dasunt | Is there a way to launch X on another virtual terminal? |
| 20:53.50 | ToweringRooter | ok i'll apt-get it right now |
| 20:53.53 | solomon1 | "fast typing for goddamned idiots" |
| 20:53.53 | XinmingLai_ | I tried every link, and most of them will fail, while download. |
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| 20:54.03 | abrotman | XinmingLai_: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso .. doesn't work ? |
| 20:54.05 | JohanP | greycat: so ur saying I can't get later than 2.4.19 on woody if I want to use kernel-package? |
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| 20:54.08 | abrotman | !ur |
| 20:54.08 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 20:54.09 | DebianTestr | anyone have good documentation for dhcp3 and bind9 ddns? |
| 20:54.11 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 20:54.12 | XinmingLai_ | abrotman, I tried |
| 20:54.13 | greycat | dasunt: cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 20:54.21 | abrotman | XinmingLai_: tried a daily? |
| 20:54.24 | XinmingLai_ | abrotman, do I need to list the files I tried? |
| 20:54.29 | abrotman | dmnichols: apt-cache search |
| 20:54.29 | greycat | dasunt: or were you looking for "startx -- :1"? |
| 20:54.30 | XinmingLai_ | abrotman, all |
| 20:54.46 | abrotman | XinmingLai_: you mean you can't download the iso .. or can't finish the install ? |
| 20:54.52 | ToweringRooter | LOL that gtypist is real useless |
| 20:54.58 | greycat | XinmingLai_: what OS are you downloading it on?> |
| 20:55.00 | XinmingLai_ | abrotman, there are 3 daily with a current dir |
| 20:55.00 | XinmingLai_ | abrotman, can't download |
| 20:55.05 | greycat | XinmingLai_: what command are you typing to do so? |
| 20:55.24 | greycat | what error does it give when you type 'wget http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso'? |
| 20:55.32 | jim | DebianTestr: bind 9, latest "DNS and BIND" publ. Orielly.... other than that, get bind soiurce and look at/for docs in the source dir |
| 20:55.36 | ToweringRooter | what is the linux equivalent of cls? |
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| 20:55.42 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: clear |
| 20:55.43 | jim | clear |
| 20:55.43 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, I said, I am now in windows. using flashget. you don't know the flashget. then I dont thnik you can help |
| 20:55.53 | abrotman | XinmingLai_: use firefox to download ? |
| 20:55.54 | greycat | XinmingLai_: then use something ELSE. |
| 20:55.55 | greycat | Jesus. |
| 20:55.59 | greycat | XinmingLai_: use IE. |
| 20:56.15 | ToweringRooter | use getright on windoze and linux use firefox and downloader for x |
| 20:56.19 | abrotman | use jigdo :) |
| 20:56.22 | ToweringRooter | LOL |
| 20:56.31 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, Ie will say something like " connection reset" |
| 20:56.31 | greycat | use floppies (but you have to do daily for that right nwo) |
| 20:56.32 | abrotman | !lol |
| 20:56.33 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Loser On Line, and by using it you've just confirmed that fact. |
| 20:56.41 | greycat | XinmingLai_: "will" say? how do you know? |
| 20:56.46 | greycat | XinmingLai_: you have a crystal ball? |
| 20:56.47 | giupy | XinmingLai_ download wget for windows and use it |
| 20:56.52 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, might say. |
| 20:56.59 | ToweringRooter | well atleast u can flame |
| 20:57.01 | XinmingLai_ | giupy, Ok, I will try it now. |
| 20:57.04 | greycat | XinmingLai_: what the fuck is wrong with your ISP? |
| 20:57.13 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: are you really that stupid? |
| 20:57.16 | greycat | XinmingLai_: can you download ANY file over 100 kilobytes? |
| 20:57.21 | dasunt | greycat: Maybe. |
| 20:57.23 | ToweringRooter | abrotman: no |
| 20:57.44 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, I tried for 3 hours. do you think I was so free to make fun from you? |
| 20:57.53 | ToweringRooter | abrotman: i just converted from crappy chat so i'm sorta getting used 2 irc |
| 20:57.57 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, reach 200KB/s |
| 20:57.59 | abrotman | fucking moron |
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| 20:58.56 | ToweringRooter | ToweringRooter stares bored into the user list |
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| 20:59.29 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: do you even have a debian question? |
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| 20:59.40 | ToweringRooter | no i just got my irc client working |
| 20:59.52 | karamelos | building a package with dpkg -b I have to enter the .deb file name manually. Is there another builder which uses the data in the control file to do it automatically? |
| 20:59.56 | pipeline | ToweringRooter: lol windoze m$! lolol |
| 21:00.01 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: are you even running debian ? |
| 21:00.03 | greycat | karamelos: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot |
| 21:00.03 | hever | I've got users on my system which could access the whole system, beacuse its readable to everybody. I don't want this. There fore I want to set the root / and all top level directorys to 750. What are you thinking about ? |
| 21:00.05 | ToweringRooter | yeah M$ sux |
| 21:00.25 | greycat | he's running something called "KVIrc" |
| 21:00.27 | karamelos | thx greycat will read that man page |
| 21:00.39 | travisat | what is kvirc? |
| 21:00.39 | ToweringRooter | it's kde's irc client |
| 21:00.47 | abrotman | nothign good about kde |
| 21:00.54 | ToweringRooter | how do you say |
| 21:01.02 | greycat | not as bad as gnome, though. |
| 21:01.03 | abrotman | did i stutter? |
| 21:01.08 | pipeline | abrotman: There's at least one good thing about KDE, I just can't think of one at the moment. |
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| 21:01.15 | greycat | pipeline: "it's not gnome" |
| 21:01.16 | ToweringRooter | yeah gnome is trash |
| 21:01.18 | abrotman | pipeline: harmony? |
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| 21:01.26 | ToweringRooter | just good for the libs |
| 21:01.29 | pipeline | abrotman: Given how horrible KDE themes are, harmony ain't it. |
| 21:01.46 | ToweringRooter | i can skin kde up quite nicely |
| 21:01.54 | lenux | what do u use i use icevm |
| 21:01.54 | abrotman | pipeline: it was the free Qt .. kind of died |
| 21:02.04 | greycat | !tell lenux about polls |
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| 21:02.11 | hever | I gonna set /var /usr /etc .... to chmod 750... What are you thinking about it ? |
| 21:02.18 | abrotman | greycat: sunday started so early :) |
| 21:02.19 | pipeline | abrotman: I actually liked KDE 1.x. I haven't hardly touched it since 2.0 |
| 21:02.22 | aespinoza | hello again. |
| 21:02.24 | greycat | !tell hever about unix lessons |
| 21:02.28 | AnguS | what is the contrary of 'if [ -f ...', i.e. "if file does not exist"? |
| 21:02.34 | greycat | AnguS: if [ ! -f ... |
| 21:02.47 | ToweringRooter | what is deltree in linux i have to go and delete everyfile in the dir then use rmdir now |
| 21:02.48 | AnguS | greycat: please kick my ass |
| 21:02.52 | greycat | ToweringRooter: rm -rf |
| 21:02.57 | greycat | !kick AnguS's ass |
| 21:03.01 | greycat | hah |
| 21:03.02 | peterS | ha |
| 21:03.05 | AnguS | thanks ahah |
| 21:03.14 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, Read error (No such file or directory) in headers. |
| 21:03.17 | asuffield | alternatively, if ! [ -f ... |
| 21:03.20 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, that's what I got |
| 21:03.28 | peterS | AnguS: you should know that I have a patent pending on forming of a nick using a trailing capital S |
| 21:03.29 | asuffield | so you managed to fail to guess *both* the obvious answers |
| 21:03.35 | greycat | XinmingLai_: your ISP is broken, or your operating system is broken, or every web browser on your system is broken. |
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| 21:03.48 | peterS | AnguS: I don't think I'll pursue legal action at this time, just wanted you to be aware that you were infringing |
| 21:03.53 | hever | greycat, thanks, but have you a Idea how I could prevent the files accessed by other, normal users ? |
| 21:04.03 | aespinoza | is there anyway to avoid the loading of ALL fonts to memory ? I have added 13,000+ ttf fonts to the system, and either way it fills up all the memory and kills all the machine. With either way I mean using a font server and using defoma. |
| 21:04.06 | greycat | !wikifaq hever Permissions |
| 21:04.07 | dpkg | hever: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:04.09 | greycat | !wikifaq hever DotFiles |
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| 21:04.10 | dpkg | hever: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:04.20 | greycat | one of those ought to shed SOME clue on him. |
| 21:04.21 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, the system is newly installed. I got this 200G for mix windows and linux. |
| 21:04.34 | greycat | XinmingLai_: so why is your ISP completely broken? |
| 21:04.42 | greycat | XinmingLai_: why can't you download files? |
| 21:04.46 | tarheelcoxn | quick question: I just installed sid on a friend's old laptop that he was going to toss, and I picked the wrong graphics card when configuring |
| 21:04.47 | greycat | is it an MTU issue? |
| 21:04.53 | tarheelcoxn | I ran base-config again |
| 21:05.02 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, I can download many files from other site. |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | tarheelcoxn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:05.08 | greycat | base-config has nothing to do with graphics cards. |
| 21:05.12 | tarheelcoxn | but that didn't help. what do I run to reconfigure it? |
| 21:05.16 | abrotman | tarheelcoxn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:05.19 | aespinoza | I am setting up a workstation for one of my clients and it is dedicated to design tasks, but they do need the 13,000+ fonts collection. |
| 21:05.20 | tarheelcoxn | ahh |
| 21:05.21 | tarheelcoxn | thanks |
| 21:05.22 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, And I also can open the web page. |
| 21:05.29 | greycat | web pages are generally small files. |
| 21:05.30 | pipeline | aespinoza: If it runs linux, it's probably not a workstation. |
| 21:05.39 | greycat | MTU issues don't show up until you hit larger files |
| 21:05.45 | abrotman | XinmingLai_: can you download firefox ? |
| 21:05.55 | XinmingLai_ | abrotman, hold on please |
| 21:06.00 | greycat | XinmingLai_: have you tried using the bittorrent full-ISO images? those shouldn't come from cdimage.d.o. |
| 21:06.03 | ToweringRooter | can you use wget |
| 21:06.10 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: pay attention |
| 21:06.12 | abrotman | jeez |
| 21:06.14 | greycat | XinmingLai_: have you tried doing a floppy install from the daily? |
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| 21:06.18 | ToweringRooter | bittorent |
| 21:06.23 | tarheelcoxn | abrotman: you rock. thanks |
| 21:06.29 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, I don't have a floppy drive. |
| 21:06.32 | abrotman | tarheelcoxn: you owe me a beer! |
| 21:06.34 | greycat | abrotman: he called you a rock! |
| 21:06.36 | aespinoza | pipeline, it does run linux, and it is a workstation; unless your definition of workstations is different from mine. Mine refers to the kind of machine. It is a dual xeon precision workstation. |
| 21:06.46 | abrotman | greycat: only when i see your mom? ... |
| 21:06.49 | pipeline | aespinoza: That is to say, a peecee. |
| 21:06.52 | ToweringRooter | what format of cd did you burn on (rw or r) |
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| 21:07.05 | greycat | ToweringRooter: to whom are you speaking? |
| 21:07.06 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, I want to download the netinstall iso and extract for hard disk install |
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| 21:07.11 | aespinoza | pipeline, ok, I meant it as the type of machine. |
| 21:07.12 | l1nux | hello |
| 21:07.13 | greycat | GODS> |
| 21:07.17 | planlos | hi all |
| 21:07.23 | greycat | let me guess. a fucking VMware user. |
| 21:07.28 | greycat | or a Gentoobie. |
| 21:07.31 | pipeline | aespinoza: It probably has crippled GL, the system I/O is pathetic, and the phrase "dual xeon" is fundamentally incompatible with the term "workstation" :P |
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| 21:07.56 | planlos | sorry, can anyone help me with some rar files ? |
| 21:08.04 | greycat | planlos: apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 21:08.08 | ToweringRooter | nope not using any vm software |
| 21:08.14 | greycat | after adding a non-free entry to sources.list(5) of course. |
| 21:08.23 | pipeline | planlos: You only need the non-free unrar if you're using multivolume rar or something equally unusual. |
| 21:08.25 | l1nux | where to get mplayer for debian ? |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:08.33 | greycat | ToweringRooter: the VMware part was meant for XinmingLai_ |
| 21:08.35 | pipeline | !tell l1nux about marrilat |
| 21:08.35 | abrotman | !tell l1nux about mplayer |
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| 21:08.45 | planlos | its all finish, i cant extract rar part files |
| 21:08.52 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, I think, maybe your right, my isp is broken, they block api.google.com, I agree with you on this |
| 21:08.52 | Opiated | one r two l's |
| 21:08.53 | greycat | planlos: man unrar |
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| 21:08.56 | abrotman | pipeline: marillat ... |
| 21:08.57 | Opiated | marillat |
| 21:08.58 | pipeline | planlos: That would be multivolume :P |
| 21:09.02 | aespinoza | pipeline, dude, I really don't care if dell is misusing the term. Anyways I'll have to ditch linux for this machine, set it back to windows 2000 |
| 21:09.03 | pipeline | abrotman: Yeah, I corrected the typo in private |
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| 21:09.03 | greycat | XinmingLai_: try bittorrent then. best bet. |
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| 21:09.17 | greycat | XinmingLai_: and for loki's sake, BURN A FUCKING CD. They're only 30 cents. |
| 21:09.17 | abrotman | dmnichols: since you missed it before |
| 21:09.21 | abrotman | !tell dmnichols about refcard |
| 21:09.28 | greycat | or use a CD-RW, they're reusable. |
| 21:09.31 | pipeline | aespinoza: Heh, unsurprising. There's no "workstation" software for Linux anyway. Well, mathematica, I suppose. |
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| 21:09.50 | pipeline | aespinoza: But no AutoCAD or Pro/E or what-have-you. |
| 21:10.02 | XinmingLai_ | greycat, they need 50 cents here. and 50 cents are not a small mount to some people here |
| 21:10.06 | pipeline | aespinoza: In a sane and reasonable world, there would be no such thing as workstations any more. |
| 21:10.13 | l1nux | thanks pipeline :D |
| 21:10.20 | dmnichols | exit |
| 21:10.29 | aespinoza | pipeline, dude, you are by far missing the point of the whole question. |
| 21:10.30 | XinmingLai_ | don't push your own opinion to others |
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| 21:10.40 | abrotman | i have 75 |
| 21:10.47 | greycat | XinmingLai_: then use CD-RWs. |
| 21:10.54 | pipeline | XinmingLai_: Anyone who can afford a CDRW can afford a 50c CD-R. It's that simple. Hardware isn't that cheap anywhere in the world. |
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| 21:11.21 | aespinoza | pipeline, do you actually think that the fact that the 13,000+ fonts don't load is because Dell is misusing the term of workstation...? C'mon. |
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| 21:11.40 | pipeline | XinmingLai_: Not to mention, the bizarre, artificially enforced exchange rates in China make 50c an unnaturally small amount of money. |
| 21:11.53 | Gnurdux | does linux support the dell usb 2.0 plug in wireless adapter? |
| 21:11.54 | greycat | and the US dollar is weak, too. |
| 21:12.01 | vpalle | i have 3 monitors connected, im trying to get xinerama on only two of them, any suggestions? |
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| 21:12.07 | abrotman | i bet it can't even lift a canadian quater |
| 21:12.09 | pipeline | aespinoza: No, I was just being a dick. What format are the fonts? |
| 21:12.09 | abrotman | quarter |
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| 21:12.11 | XinmingLai_ | pipeline, but here, hardware is cheaper then US such kind of place. a 200G cost about $103 dollars. But not there. |
| 21:12.13 | pipeline | Gnurdux: Maybe, maybe not. Probably not. |
| 21:12.23 | Gnurdux | any good wireless cards? |
| 21:12.24 | abrotman | Gnurdux: #wireless |
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| 21:12.30 | greycat | Gnurdux: no, they're all evil. |
| 21:12.30 | Gnurdux | k thnx |
| 21:12.35 | aespinoza | pipeline, ttrutype. |
| 21:12.35 | abrotman | dell is evil! |
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| 21:12.44 | pipeline | XinmingLai_: Yes. If you can afford $103 for hardware, you can scrape by on a CD-R. |
| 21:12.45 | dasunt | greycat: Thanks, that's it. |
| 21:12.56 | pipeline | aespinoza: Hmm, that's going to be rough. I take it the X server puked on 13,000 fonts. |
| 21:13.04 | XinmingLai_ | pipeline, Ok,stop. I will find another mirror. |
| 21:13.06 | jjazz | abrotman: Dell isn't evil. They build crappy desktop boxes, but they're not evil. |
| 21:13.15 | abrotman | jjazz: yes .. they are |
| 21:13.17 | aespinoza | pipeline, yep it loads all of them at boot. |
| 21:13.23 | pipeline | aespinoza: The rough part is that font servers are pretty much, ah, broken for truetype. |
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| 21:13.26 | jjazz | abrotman: how so? My dealings with them have been positive. |
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| 21:13.31 | l1nux | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: USER incorrect, le serveur a répondu : Sorry, only two connections per IP address are allowed ): |
| 21:13.36 | abrotman | jjazz: apparently they send you porn :) |
| 21:13.40 | pipeline | aespinoza: I would try having no "fonts" lines at all, using sun's xfs-tt instead. |
| 21:13.43 | aespinoza | pipeline, I also tried using defoma, but when the gimp is executed, it loads all the fonts again. |
| 21:13.56 | greycat | l1nux: are you behind some sort of massive NAT? |
| 21:14.11 | abrotman | jjazz: every piece of dell hardware i've seen in the last 5 years .. is well .. less than decent |
| 21:14.12 | dasunt | greycat: Wife had her winders box packed up, and my heavily-hotkeyed fvwm wasn't the easiest wm to learn, I decided grabbing xfwm and giving her an account was a better way of doing things. |
| 21:14.13 | l1nux | greycat yes |
| 21:14.15 | jjazz | abrotman: Yes, but it's all tentacle porn... that stuff barely turns me on and is very difficult to explain to my gf when I bring a garden hose to bed. |
| 21:14.25 | aespinoza | pipeline, xfs-tt also loads all the fonts at boot time doesn't it ? |
| 21:14.25 | pipeline | abrotman: I've seen mixed results with Dell |
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| 21:14.34 | jjazz | abrotman: I've got a couple dell laptops that have never given me a lick of trouble. |
| 21:14.46 | pipeline | aespinoza: It loads them when it starts, but the weak point in the chain is probably the X server. XF86 kind of, ah, sucks. |
| 21:14.53 | Opiated | "lick of trouble" |
| 21:15.09 | greycat | !punish ftp.nerim.net for not offering http: |
| 21:15.20 | abrotman | pipeline: my personal fave .. a friend tried to resset his bios(don't laugh at this part) .. so he tried to remove the CPU .. well .. dell glues the heatsink to the CPU .. so he tries to remove it .. can't reach the lever .. leaves pins in the socket .. new dell ordered the next day :) |
| 21:15.23 | jjazz | abrotman: And my few interactions with their customer service has been really good. (My gf spilled a huge travel mug of coffee on one, and it survived pretty much intact, except for the Q key) |
| 21:15.43 | Opiated | well thats not intact then |
| 21:15.44 | greycat | l1nux: well, you'll just have to wait until one of the other 2 people behind your massive NAT gets off nerim. |
| 21:15.46 | aespinoza | pipeline, damn. I'll have to think of something. I sold this guys the idea of using all linux boxes on their offices, and of all the things that could have stopped me, the fonts are the ones that did. |
| 21:15.52 | Opiated | thats intact + I broken key |
| 21:16.06 | pipeline | aespinoza: What exactly happens? This channel moves too fast for me to dare scroll up. |
| 21:16.14 | jjazz | aespinoza: Who needs 13000 fonts anyway? What are they writing ransom notes? |
| 21:16.52 | abrotman | prepress people |
| 21:17.10 | greycat | greeting card people |
| 21:17.13 | aespinoza | pipeline, it crashes the xserver, it fills all the memory, and then it begins moving memory to swap, and it hangs. |
| 21:17.19 | aespinoza | jjazz, hahaha that could be the idea. |
| 21:17.39 | jjazz | aespinoza: Maybe it needs more swap |
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| 21:17.40 | pipeline | aespinoza: Yeah, sounds like the X server is puking, doesn't it? |
| 21:17.41 | calin | I have a computer that wont boot from cd for some reason, is there a way I can use the boot floppies to boot from floppy and load cd-rom drivers to start the netinstaller that way? |
| 21:17.43 | aespinoza | jjazz, the thing is they are designers, and they like to have a wide range of options when working. |
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| 21:17.56 | pipeline | aespinoza: Cut off the X server's direct access to fonts and try using xfs-tt. |
| 21:18.00 | jjazz | aespinoza: Yeah, I was just being a sarcastic punk bitch. Don't mind me. |
| 21:18.01 | aespinoza | pipeline, yep. it does. |
| 21:18.01 | Opiated | how do I install a font or two that is in a .ttf format from some website in debian sarge? |
| 21:18.09 | karamelos | greycat, what is the -rfakeroot for in " dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot" ? |
| 21:18.16 | greycat | karamelos: man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:18.17 | pipeline | aespinoza: TrueType on linux sucks ass, in that it doesn't work well with font servers. Client apps want access to the fonts through fontconfig and such. :( |
| 21:18.26 | l1nux | greycat ok, thanks :) |
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| 21:18.36 | peterS | Opiated: I think it's just a matter of mkdir ~/.fonts and then copy the file into ~/.fonts |
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| 21:18.39 | aespinoza | jjazz, that could be a solution, but then what would happen when they used maya ? It would be extremely slow. The machine only has 1GB |
| 21:18.41 | karamelos | greycat, I did, it does not mention -rfakeroot as a dpkg-buildpackage option. |
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| 21:18.46 | greycat | karamelos: -r |
| 21:18.48 | peterS | Opiated: at least some apps apparently respect this. it's not a system-wide thing |
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| 21:18.59 | aespinoza | pipeline, I used fontconfig too... and it kills the server also. |
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| 21:19.06 | peterS | karamelos: -r is the option, fakeroot is the common thing to put in there |
| 21:19.09 | nvz | is there a really easy way for me to download a few packages and their dependancies to burn on to a cd and take to a friend's offline machine? like he could use modconf, and it depends on whiptail, which depends on libnewt..etc which I dont know if he has. |
| 21:19.11 | aespinoza | jjazz, hahah ok. |
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| 21:19.18 | Opiated | would Abiword or open office see/use the fonts in /.fonts |
| 21:19.19 | pipeline | aespinoza: That's a client-side issue that you can't do much about. There aren't alternatives |
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| 21:19.31 | peterS | nvz: investigate apt-zip |
| 21:19.33 | calin | I have a computer that wont boot from cd for some reason, is there a way I can use the boot floppies to boot from floppy and load cd-rom drivers to start the netinstaller that way? |
| 21:19.43 | pipeline | calin: Yeah, the regular floppies will do that. |
| 21:19.49 | karamelos | greycat, I see now, thx. |
| 21:19.59 | jim | nvz: you could do apt-get clean; apt-get -d package |
| 21:20.08 | greycat | jim: + install |
| 21:20.12 | jjazz | aespinoza: If the font server were standalone, it wouldn't slow down the app much, perhaps. |
| 21:20.19 | greycat | and possibly + --reinstall |
| 21:20.37 | aespinoza | pipeline, I problem I think is that applications are designed to load up all the fonts, for example the gimp. There should be a way to fix this; I'm going to look for a solution to this. |
| 21:20.38 | calin | pipeliine: thanks |
| 21:20.45 | ToweringRooter | what's a good html editor (one WYSIWYG and one normal text based) |
| 21:20.46 | jim | nvz: then look in /var/cache/apt/archives for the package files |
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| 21:20.56 | greycat | ToweringRooter: for you? nano |
| 21:20.58 | stram | does anyone know if gnome-cups-manager can utilize user/pass authentication for IPP printing? |
| 21:21.05 | aespinoza | jjazz, but then isn't gimp using fontconfig to load all the fonts ? |
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| 21:21.13 | aespinoza | jjazz, that would still kill the xserver. |
| 21:21.13 | jim | ToweringRooter: for text based, you can use a combination of head, tail, echo, cat and grep |
| 21:21.26 | greycat | !sex |
| 21:21.26 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 21:21.28 | jim | ToweringRooter: or ed |
| 21:21.28 | jjazz | aespinoza: Yeah, you're right. |
| 21:21.30 | greycat | WHAT?!?!? |
| 21:21.30 | nvz | jim: well thats not really an easy way, I was already just going to d/l the debs directly off a mirror's pool dir and burn em.. but I wondered if there was an automagic way that would resove dependancies and such |
| 21:21.34 | calin | hashahhaah |
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| 21:21.50 | greycat | WHO DID THAT? |
| 21:21.57 | greycat | !factinfo sex |
| 21:21.57 | dpkg | sex -- it has been requested 42 times, last by greycat, 31s ago. |
| 21:22.02 | calin | hahaha |
| 21:22.03 | greycat | ~factinfo sex |
| 21:22.03 | apt | sex -- last modified at Wed Jan 12 23:52:20 2005 by sjansen!~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com; it has been requested 48 times, last by Darwin35, 9h 7m 16s ago. |
| 21:22.08 | jim | dpkg has apparantly gone thru postop |
| 21:22.14 | vrt | anyone know how to setup www.domain.com to www.someotherdomain.com/somedir/bla.html forwarding with url masking like some registrars like godaddy do? |
| 21:22.21 | greycat | Oh. My. God. |
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| 21:22.32 | aespinoza | jjazz, the solution at the moment, will be to make them strip the collection to a decent number where the xserver can work ( or fontconfig for that matter) or move them back to windows. Well find a clever way to convince them. |
| 21:22.34 | stram | vrt domain cloaking... look it up |
| 21:22.41 | aespinoza | jjazz pipeline thanks for your time. |
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| 21:22.52 | alcorrr | vrt: virtual domain in apache |
| 21:22.52 | rossi | I have debian on primary slave and want to habe a boot menue where I can choose also my primary master (win) which is the easiest way ? I have sarge is there a way to do it with th debian installation cd without installing the whole system new? |
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| 21:23.07 | vrt | stra: will do |
| 21:23.07 | jjazz | aespinoza: peace |
| 21:23.08 | greycat | OH GOOD. ravenbird still has it. |
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| 21:23.30 | ToweringRooter | i said good html editor |
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| 21:23.40 | greycat | dpkg, no, sex is <reply> updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:23.40 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 21:23.46 | greycat | apt, no, sex is <reply> updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:23.47 | apt | greycat: okay |
| 21:23.53 | Opiated | condom? |
| 21:23.56 | Opiated | lol wtf |
| 21:23.58 | Nestar_ | hello, itrs the wrong the channel, but anywhere i have a question. I sit possible to dis-assemble the code of a file which is not completely tranfered? where can i find it? |
| 21:24.13 | Opiated | Nestar_, hex editor? |
| 21:24.18 | greycat | Nestar_: huh? |
| 21:24.28 | Opiated | underwindows its a tool called W32DASM |
| 21:24.35 | Nestar_ | yes, but where is the incomplete file? |
| 21:24.37 | planlos | thx greycat...now unrar-nonfree is extracting the archive |
| 21:24.38 | peterS | greycat: there isn't a 'size' command in there somewhere? |
| 21:24.38 | Opiated | i don't any such utitlity for windows |
| 21:24.41 | lhurgoyf | i am trying to serve jsp's with apache via tomcat. what is the best way to server jsps on publihtml folders? |
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| 21:24.46 | greycat | what the fuck do you mean by "not completely transfered" and what are you trying to DO to it? |
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| 21:24.47 | Opiated | i mean for linux* |
| 21:25.06 | ToweringRooter | yeah the os WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE talking about |
| 21:25.08 | Opiated | i don't know any such utility for linux * |
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| 21:25.14 | Opiated | i can't type worth shit todya |
| 21:25.30 | Nestar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.36 | Opiated | Nestar_, not completely downloaded? |
| 21:25.43 | Nestar_ | yes |
| 21:25.44 | greycat | what the HELL do you mean? |
| 21:25.56 | Opiated | why do you want to disassemble it |
| 21:25.57 | greycat | !wayttd Nestar_ |
| 21:25.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Nestar_? |
| 21:26.13 | Opiated | and is it a windows binary, linux binary, or not a binary file ? |
| 21:26.28 | Opiated | wtf is it and why are you trying to do what you are trying to do |
| 21:26.45 | Nestar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.10 | RedPenguin | Will using inetd for a server instead of standalone, do much? |
| 21:27.10 | Opiated | you can't look at the source code for ANY binary file unless you HAD the original source code |
| 21:27.29 | ToweringRooter | download the whole file :-) |
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| 21:27.43 | greycat | what the HELL is he doing? and why am I still bothering to care? |
| 21:27.55 | ToweringRooter | greycat: dunno |
| 21:28.00 | Opiated | greycat, because it is entertaining |
| 21:28.02 | Opiated | :) |
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| 21:28.37 | ToweringRooter | what were u using 2 download the file and what type of file is it |
| 21:28.44 | abrotman | greycat: i'm trying to figure out how it pertains to debian |
| 21:28.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:28.45 | greycat | partially completed downloads will be either in $PWD or $TMPDIR or /tmp if THAT is all you want to know. Depending on HOW THE FUCK YOU ARE DOWNLOADING IT. |
| 21:28.45 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:28.59 | Opiated | does it matter if one uses u or you |
| 21:29.03 | greycat | Opiated: yes. |
| 21:29.05 | Opiated | why |
| 21:29.14 | Opiated | you still get the point don't you |
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| 21:29.25 | greycat | Opiated: for the same reason it matters whether you pick your nose and wipe it on your crotch, or not. |
| 21:29.27 | ToweringRooter | doesn't make a diff |
| 21:29.34 | greycat | ToweringRooter: so says the l33t fuck. |
| 21:29.36 | abrotman | can't you just kill him? |
| 21:29.38 | Opiated | greycat, it does not make a difference |
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| 21:30.07 | abrotman | manners? .. it's polite? .. makes you seem intelligent? |
| 21:30.21 | Nestar__ | do you know a channel for programmig |
| 21:30.26 | greycat | #c |
| 21:30.27 | abrotman | which kind? |
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| 21:30.30 | greycat | #perl |
| 21:30.32 | ToweringRooter | yeah but this is a CHAT ROOM where were u |
| 21:30.32 | greycat | #bash |
| 21:30.32 | Opiated | internet, one does't wish to type 'you', perhaps 'u' is easier? |
| 21:30.34 | abrotman | #ruby , #perl , #c |
| 21:30.34 | greycat | #python |
| 21:30.36 | Nestar__ | a mean programming |
| 21:30.37 | greycat | #c++ |
| 21:30.38 | greycat | #java |
| 21:30.43 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 21:30.44 | dondelelcaro | Opiated: to you, it may not. However, those of us who actually read the english language hate wasting time figuring out what you're actually trying to say. |
| 21:30.45 | Nestar__ | assembler |
| 21:30.55 | greycat | I can't take any more. |
| 21:30.56 | abrotman | #asm ? |
| 21:30.57 | Opiated | I understand you point |
| 21:31.00 | Opiated | your* |
| 21:31.07 | DrPete | what do you think of all these control panels like plesk, cpanel etc |
| 21:31.08 | Opiated | but I still don't think it matters all that much |
| 21:31.12 | ToweringRooter | it's easier to read for most people |
| 21:31.14 | greycat | DrPete: kill them all. |
| 21:31.21 | greycat | DrPete: let the garbage collector have them. |
| 21:31.30 | DrPete | greycat: hehe, how did I know you were gonna say that |
| 21:31.30 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: no it's not .. damn idiot |
| 21:31.42 | dondelelcaro | Opiated: on the scale of things, it's not as big of a deal as some things, which is why you're being asked nicely to do it, rather than being summarily removed from the channel. |
| 21:31.42 | greycat | !tell ToweringRooter about smart questions |
| 21:31.57 | Opiated | I don't use 'u' |
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| 21:32.01 | abrotman | ToweringRooter: /exec -o cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:32.17 | Opiated | perhaps you'd like to scroll up |
| 21:32.23 | dondelelcaro | (or whoever is using 'u') |
| 21:32.32 | greycat | mostly that toweringfool |
| 21:32.32 | jjazz | Opiated: It's a lot slower for me to read the abbreviations. Taking the time to present your words in a form that makes it easier on your audience is a sign of respect. When you decide not to take that time, it makes it harder for me to read what you write and makes me not want to bother. |
| 21:32.33 | ToweringRooter | ToweringRooter Just watches u flame eachother like kindergarten kids |
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| 21:32.50 | abrotman | scroll up for what? |
| 21:32.50 | *** mode/#Debian [+q *!*@70.48.236.34] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:32.50 | *** mode/#Debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:32.53 | DrPete | greycat: whats the best prog for monitoring the bandwith users use? |
| 21:32.59 | Opiated | jjazz, I totally understand, I just don't think it matters, because one still gets the point, but anyway |
| 21:32.59 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 21:33.13 | greycat | DrPete: I don't know of any. |
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| 21:33.36 | yoo | hi ! |
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| 21:33.43 | abrotman | yay .. so smart! |
| 21:33.52 | peterS | eventually he'll figure out he isn't voiced |
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| 21:33.54 | dsd__ | hi |
| 21:33.57 | abrotman | yoo: hello .. how are you today? |
| 21:34.03 | dsd__ | I have just installed debian sarge. |
| 21:34.07 | abrotman | peterS: i doubt it :) |
| 21:34.08 | Opiated | congrats |
| 21:34.13 | yoo | thank |
| 21:34.16 | yoo | fini |
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| 21:34.18 | dsd__ | My network card is configured, but i can't even ping a host in the local network. |
| 21:34.19 | DrPete | greycat: I mean, the amount of data they have transfered, eg there website traffic etc |
| 21:34.21 | dsd__ | kernel 2.6.8. |
| 21:34.29 | dsd__ | What could the problem be? |
| 21:34.31 | yoo | can i do rm -rf * |
| 21:34.39 | Opiated | dsd, huh? |
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| 21:34.42 | yoo | in my /var/logs |
| 21:34.47 | greycat | dsd__: what card, what error, what configuration did you give it? |
| 21:34.47 | rudson | hi... |
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| 21:34.57 | abrotman | yoo: i wouldn't .. but it's your box |
| 21:34.57 | dsd__ | greycat: no error |
| 21:35.06 | greycat | check cabling, too. |
| 21:35.13 | calin | yoo: you should use rm -rf ./* in /var/logs |
| 21:35.15 | dsd__ | greycat: cabling is ok. |
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| 21:35.33 | peterS | yoo: you mean /var/log. you can do that but you'll lose interesting information you may need. you should consider editing /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotate.d/* instead |
| 21:35.40 | dsd__ | a ping says: Destinatinon host unreachable |
| 21:35.42 | Opiated | calin you could just use cd /var/logs/ and do rm * |
| 21:35.44 | valdyn | yoo: why would you use -f there? |
| 21:35.46 | Opiated | same thing |
| 21:35.47 | greycat | that sure sounds like an error to me. |
| 21:36.03 | yoo | oki |
| 21:36.08 | yoo | within -f |
| 21:36.08 | dondelelcaro | dsd__: that pretty much means what it says. You don't have a way to reach the network that you're trying to ping |
| 21:36.18 | SteveWrightNZ | I did `dpkg -i wiccpm-source_0.5-1_all.deb` and it installed to /usr/src/modules/wiccpm/ - how do I build this module now ? |
| 21:36.22 | greycat | dondelelcaro: I'd expect "No route to host" on that one. |
| 21:36.28 | rudson | well i got some probs again! |
| 21:36.33 | dsd__ | There was a transmit timeout. |
| 21:36.36 | greycat | sounds more like an IP address issue to me.. |
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| 21:36.47 | asuffield | 'host unreachable' means you set a route, and it's wrong |
| 21:36.47 | dondelelcaro | greycat: oh, right... that must be the ICMP "host unreachable" message or whatever the hell it is |
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| 21:37.02 | asuffield | 'cause the box you're trying to route via replied and told you to sod off |
| 21:37.03 | dsd__ | The error-msg reads: "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out" |
| 21:37.05 | Opiated | SteveWrightNZ, cd to /usr/src/modules/wiccpm/ and read the info on how to compile or do ./configre or make |
| 21:37.06 | ToweringRooter | hi |
| 21:37.06 | Opiated | whatever |
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| 21:37.31 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 21:37.40 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 21:37.51 | abrotman | and if the guy keeps it up .. dondelelcaro will be drunk in no time |
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| 21:37.58 | peterS | abrotman: indeed |
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| 21:38.37 | cromd | greetings all, i've got to do some C code on a custom tiff image viewer, can anyone suggest a suitable channel for that kind of thing? |
| 21:38.44 | greycat | cromd: #c |
| 21:38.50 | SteveWrightNZ | Opiated: isnt there a debian kernel way or something ? |
| 21:39.09 | dondelelcaro | SteveWrightNZ: sure, using make-kpkg, or module-assistant... |
| 21:39.10 | cromd | sounds good ... thanks greycat |
| 21:39.17 | SteveWrightNZ | kthx |
| 21:39.22 | Opiated | SteveWrightNZ, it unpacked the source to /usr/src/blah, why donyou you just go in there and read the godamn readme file |
| 21:39.43 | dsd__ | hmm... i rebooted, now it works. |
| 21:39.45 | rossi | one question when booting debian (sarge) does it fin my new hdd with win and automatically add it to grub ( that I can choose from grub? |
| 21:39.45 | dsd__ | strange... |
| 21:39.47 | SteveWrightNZ | coz there isnt one |
| 21:39.52 | Opiated | oh |
| 21:39.53 | greycat | rossi: yes |
| 21:39.56 | dondelelcaro | SteveWrightNZ: although, dpkg -L foomodule-src; should show you something in /usr/share/doc/foomodule-src |
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| 21:40.23 | SteveWrightNZ | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 21:40.28 | rossi | greycat I have linux on primary slave and win on primary master |
| 21:40.36 | Opiated | i should go study, i have to take a midterm in one hour |
| 21:40.47 | Opiated | i have not even started yet |
| 21:40.49 | dondelelcaro | (if not, file a wishlist bug suggesting that the maintainer describe how you're actually supposed to use the module) |
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| 21:40.56 | rossi | this should be the easiest way to boot primary slave as to change nt loader |
| 21:41.21 | Opiated | most probably install module-assistant, module-assistant prepare and then use it to build it |
| 21:41.53 | yoo | valdyn : i want to erase my /var/logs because of /var===>100% |
| 21:41.53 | peterS | rossi: yeah, c:\boot.ini is one way. the other is to stash lilo or grub in the MBR of your windows drive and have them chain-boot ntldr |
| 21:41.58 | SteveWrightNZ | Opiated: is there a make-kpkg target to build it ? |
| 21:42.13 | greycat | yoo: did you do an apt-get clean yet? |
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| 21:42.22 | yoo | yes |
| 21:42.24 | c4_ | lampa:/etc# modprobe agpgart |
| 21:42.26 | c4_ | agpgart: Unknown parameter `try_unsupported' |
| 21:42.28 | c4_ | ?? |
| 21:42.28 | yoo | but nothing better |
| 21:42.37 | greycat | yoo: so where's all the space gone? cd /var && du -sk * |
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| 21:42.51 | yoo | in /var/logs |
| 21:43.03 | yoo | /var/logs : 1,5 G |
| 21:43.06 | greycat | yoo: liar. |
| 21:43.24 | greycat | don't you people have anything BETTER to do than troll #debian with lies on a friday evening? |
| 21:43.25 | peterS | c4_: agp_try_unsupported=1, not try_unsupported=1 |
| 21:43.41 | valdyn | yoo: are you using logrotate? |
| 21:43.47 | yoo | no |
| 21:43.51 | greycat | valdyn: he's not even using UNIX. |
| 21:43.52 | c4_ | peterS: let's see... |
| 21:43.57 | greycat | there is no /var/logs |
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| 21:44.34 | yoo | " /var ===> 1,7 G |
| 21:44.35 | greycat | and even if there were, "du -sk *" does not produce output in the format "/var/foo : 1,5 G" |
| 21:44.47 | yoo | " /var/logs ====>1,5 |
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| 21:44.53 | greycat | nor does it produce output in the format " /foo ===> 1,7 G" |
| 21:44.56 | c4_ | peterS: still (steel or steal) taking the other command |
| 21:44.58 | peterS | yoo: so how big is /var/log then? |
| 21:45.07 | greycat | peterS: he doesn't have that directory. |
| 21:45.10 | greycat | peterS: he has /var/logs. |
| 21:45.18 | greycat | peterS: so it's DEFINITELY not a debian system. |
| 21:45.21 | peterS | greycat: indeed |
| 21:45.34 | till_ | Any DNS Freaks here? Following setup -> nsd as primary dns, some dns-caches (bernstein). If outernetwork (=internet) is gone, its not possible to resolv the internal network because the the rootserver a not reachable. |
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| 21:45.44 | greycat | till_: try #dns |
| 21:45.51 | peterS | paulswm: how much did they pay you to rent your front yard for launching a rocket from? |
| 21:45.51 | yoo | sorry i underdstand slowly because i'm french |
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| 21:45.55 | yoo | :) |
| 21:46.00 | asuffield | and geez, use bind, not that weird shit |
| 21:46.16 | greycat | yoo: being french does not change directory names. |
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| 21:46.19 | greycat | yoo: you are a liar. |
| 21:46.22 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 21:46.26 | m4lu6 | anybody here use audioscrobbler? |
| 21:46.32 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 21:46.33 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:46.52 | m4lu6 | bah |
| 21:47.06 | c4_ | peterS: it doesn't take the new comand: modprobe agpgart agp_try_unsupported=1, still taking the old one: modprobe agpgart try_unsupported=1 |
| 21:47.13 | valdyn | yoo: nothing wrong with deleteing logs, just install logratate so you dont run into the same problem as often |
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| 21:47.26 | peterS | c4_: you said the try_unsupported=1 didn't work, though |
| 21:47.28 | yoo | liar ? me |
| 21:47.29 | yoo | no |
| 21:47.39 | greycat | newbie: stop that shit. |
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| 21:47.43 | paulswm | peterS: Very funny. But your question ended in a preposition, so neer :P |
| 21:47.46 | yoo | apt-get install logratate |
| 21:47.48 | yoo | oki |
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| 21:48.17 | peterS | c4_: where did you put the try_unsupported? was that on the command line or in some /etc/modutils/* file? |
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| 21:48.23 | c4_ | peterS: yes, but i wrote what you've sayed and still taking the old one, like if it was chached or something. i have to delete something |
| 21:48.39 | c4_ | peterS: in the command line |
| 21:48.44 | hever | How could I limit the access from a group to just one folder? |
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| 21:48.54 | greycat | !wikifaq hever Permissions |
| 21:48.55 | dpkg | hever: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:48.59 | c4_ | peterS: but i've first put that in modconfig options |
| 21:49.11 | redduck666 | when i try to install nvidia graphic driver with "sh file_name.run" i get that it can't find kernel interference than it offers me to try to download it from nvidia site but it fails. at the end it says that kernel source tree is missing, and that red hat users can install kernel-source rpm. any help on installing the damt driver on my system appriciated |
| 21:49.15 | c4_ | i mean modconf |
| 21:49.17 | peterS | c4_: modconf only edits /etc/modules, I believe |
| 21:49.35 | c4_ | damn (?) |
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| 21:50.26 | Topclass | Hi am I in the right place to ask about some debian install problems? |
| 21:50.37 | abrotman | Topclass: you can try |
| 21:50.38 | greycat | Topclass: depends on the problem. Go ahead. |
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| 21:50.49 | ribnitz | hello.. |
| 21:50.50 | c4_ | a. A. err... |
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| 21:51.12 | c4_ | agpgart: Unknown parameter `agp_try_unsupported' did fail too |
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| 21:51.17 | Topclass | i am using the buscard netint image and it gets right through to the base install and fails and the bit where the kernel is being installed |
| 21:51.22 | busboy | hello, does microsoft mn710 usb2 wireless works in linux? |
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| 21:51.27 | abrotman | #wireless |
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| 21:51.30 | c4_ | GGrrr |
| 21:51.35 | busboy | thanks |
| 21:51.38 | abrotman | god damn it .. can't we just kill him for good ? |
| 21:51.46 | greycat | Topclass: the business class and floppy installs are broken right now for pre-rc2. Use a daily. |
| 21:51.54 | greycat | s/class/card/ |
| 21:52.00 | greycat | err, for rc2 also. |
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| 21:52.21 | Topclass | i have used the 105meg netinst too for i386 and thats broken too |
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| 21:52.31 | greycat | Topclass: that one should work. what error do you get, precisely? |
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| 21:53.13 | Topclass | err i cant tell you precicsly but from what i remember it was saying the kernel i was installing was the same as already installed |
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| 21:53.31 | greycat | Topclass: let it format the partition, don't write onto a "dirty" one. |
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| 21:53.33 | hever | greycat, I read the informations. But I don't understand how I cant limit the access of a group just to one folder and its subfolders... ?! |
| 21:53.41 | Topclass | but i was installing debian on a partition alongside windows so i cant see what kernel its finding |
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| 21:53.45 | newbie | hi |
| 21:53.47 | greycat | hever: oh, you want a chroot. Or you THINK you do. |
| 21:53.50 | greycat | !ssh chroot |
| 21:53.50 | dpkg | ssh chroot is, like, Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 21:53.59 | Topclass | i have formated the partition each time i have tried |
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| 21:54.07 | c4_ | peterS: can i edit some in file in include/linux/ and put #define xxx_xxx_xxx 0x5833? (that's the agpgart device) |
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| 21:54.20 | enigmus | I have a usb mass media, it is correctly recognized by the kernel (cf. /var/log/messages) but no device is created in /dev so I don't know how to mount it. What should I do? |
| 21:54.22 | greycat | hever: just give up and learn why unix is unix and not your favorite proprietary minicomputer OS with lots of funky controlfreak crap. |
| 21:54.27 | hever | greycat, noo chroot works not good for me because one user must be able to add users.... |
| 21:54.38 | greycat | hever: stop it. be a UNIX admin or don't run unix. |
| 21:55.08 | greycat | there is NOTHING in /usr or /var or /home or /etc that must be hidden from end users that's not already chmodded into unreadability. |
| 21:55.21 | greycat | just use "non readable home dirs" if you want. that's it. |
| 21:55.30 | yoo | valdyn : thanks ! |
| 21:55.34 | c4_ | hehe |
| 21:55.53 | peterS | c4_: not without recompiling. seriously, that *is* what agp_try_unsupported=1 is for. much simpler to use that than to do the equivalent with drivers/char/agp/agpgart_be.c |
| 21:56.22 | peterS | c4_: if you're interested in editing agpgart_be.c, look for the definition of the 'agp_bridge_info' array |
| 21:56.31 | enigmus | I have a usb mass media, it is correctly recognized by the kernel (cf. /var/log/messages) but no device is created in /dev so I don't know how to mount it. What should I do? |
| 21:56.39 | peterS | c4_: in kernel 2.4.29 it is 85% of the way down the rather large file |
| 21:56.41 | c4_ | ok |
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| 21:56.47 | greycat | enigmus: should show up as a SCSI disk. |
| 21:56.53 | greycat | enigmus: try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 21:56.54 | Topclass | i guess nobody can think whats wronge then :( |
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| 21:56.55 | c4_ | damn! |
| 21:57.19 | c4_ | peterS: so how can i faind what's wrong? im on 2.6.11 |
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| 21:57.40 | peterS | c4_: oh, you're on kernel 2.6? you shouldn't pass agp_try_unsupported to the agpgart module in kernel 2.6 |
| 21:57.50 | enigmus | greycat: it doesn't do anything, I don't have any /dev/sd* |
| 21:57.55 | c4_ | damn! |
| 21:57.59 | c4_ | hehe |
| 21:58.08 | greycat | enigmus: stop running udev or devfs, then. |
| 21:58.10 | greycat | it's EVIL. |
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| 21:58.14 | greycat | (they're) |
| 21:58.20 | citral | or modprobe sd |
| 21:58.27 | peterS | c4_: in kernel 2.6 you load a sub-module for your actual AGP hardware, such as intel-agp or ali-agp or sis-agp |
| 21:58.28 | greycat | devfs being the Greater Evil, and udev being the Lesser Evil. |
| 21:58.41 | c4_ | ham |
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| 21:59.18 | enigmus | greycat: ok, I will try that... |
| 21:59.24 | enigmus | thanks |
| 21:59.33 | peterS | c4_: and it's not clear whether these take a try_unsupported parameter, although I don't see one offhand |
| 21:59.52 | peterS | c4_: what's the vendor for your AGP chip, anyway? |
| 22:00.22 | citral | !tell zigong about away |
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| 22:01.35 | BucWheat2 | hey gang! i get X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting when i start my box up |
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| 22:02.13 | BucWheat2 | i'm trying to have a reg. user login to exec opera via a startup script i wrote |
| 22:02.15 | valdyn | BucWheat2: did you ever edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually? |
| 22:02.31 | BucWheat2 | i have inittab 3 |
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| 22:02.34 | valdyn | BucWheat2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, say yes to adding that DRI section |
| 22:02.55 | BucWheat2 | valdyn i can get into x if i do startx |
| 22:03.03 | BucWheat2 | and once i get that error it starts xdm automatically |
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| 22:03.33 | valdyn | BucWheat2: that so doesnt make sense |
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| 22:03.56 | valdyn | BucWheat2: do you have xdm installed? will it start automatically if you dont type startx? |
| 22:04.01 | BucWheat2 | valdyn i know it may sound freaky but that is how it is |
| 22:04.02 | enigmus | citral: well, you were right, I was missing sd |
| 22:04.03 | c4__ | i have fallen down |
| 22:04.05 | c4__ | peterS: i have ati-agp and drm and radeon, so i don't need the agpgart? |
| 22:04.08 | eguzkia | ALESSANDRO MASSA |
| 22:04.13 | BucWheat2 | valdyn yea. |
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| 22:04.18 | valdyn | BucWheat2: look at your ~/.xinitrc |
| 22:04.19 | peterS | c4__: ati-agp sucks in agpgart automatically |
| 22:04.26 | citral | enigmus: cool |
| 22:04.28 | valdyn | BucWheat2: if it starts xdm there |
| 22:04.28 | BucWheat2 | valdyn i'm trying to go directly into X without using xdm or gdm |
| 22:04.31 | peterS | c4__: so your AGP bridge is ATI as well as your graphics chip? |
| 22:04.32 | BucWheat2 | k |
| 22:04.40 | valdyn | BucWheat2: above I told you the fix |
| 22:04.49 | valdyn | BucWheat2: apt-get remove xdm |
| 22:04.57 | BucWheat2 | valdyn i have no .xinitrc only .xsession |
| 22:05.06 | BucWheat2 | valdyn let me reconfigure X as you said |
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| 22:05.06 | BucWheat2 | hld on |
| 22:05.07 | c4__ | yes |
| 22:05.46 | c4__ | peterS: yes, it's all integrated in, an 9100 IGP and the ide controler |
| 22:05.49 | valdyn | BucWheat2: ok, your xdm starting "automatically" when you do a startx does not make sense at all |
| 22:05.59 | peterS | c4__: the ati-agp module should not require the try_unsupported thing, since it already claims to work with *every* ATI AGP bridge |
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| 22:06.21 | yoo | valdyn: my logrotate is installed since a long time but i don't know that |
| 22:06.25 | BucWheat2 | valdyn no. after i try to login my user into X automatically via startup script (this fails) it then loads up xdm |
| 22:06.36 | BucWheat2 | valdyn i was telling you about startx because X does work |
| 22:06.40 | yoo | simpson:/var# grep logrotate /etc/cron* -r |
| 22:06.40 | yoo | /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate || exit 0 |
| 22:06.40 | yoo | /etc/cron.daily/logrotate:/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 22:06.40 | yoo | /etc/cron.monthly/standard:# rotation of wtmp and btmp taken over by logrotate |
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| 22:07.00 | Topclass | anyone ever heard of a error on a base system install that says its installing the same version of the kernel as already exists even thou its a clean install?? |
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| 22:07.03 | valdyn | yoo: is it run too? it might not ever run if you ue your computer as a desktop and switch it off when you dont use it ( fix with apt-get install anacron ) |
| 22:07.09 | yoo | sorry ! |
| 22:07.30 | valdyn | yoo: feel free to run the cronjob manually though |
| 22:07.47 | yoo | oh |
| 22:07.50 | yoo | ok |
| 22:08.03 | yoo | launch crontab manually |
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| 22:08.18 | valdyn | yoo: no, the cronjob |
| 22:08.27 | valdyn | yoo: not crontab |
| 22:08.27 | yoo | cronjob |
| 22:08.30 | c4__ | peterS: aha, ok, and the 3D acceleration is so slow because the guys that did the kernel driver doesn't have all the information from ati to do it better? is that right? |
| 22:08.36 | yoo | ok |
| 22:08.51 | valdyn | yoo: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
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| 22:09.11 | Eclipser | c4__, ati provides (imo) quite good drivers too |
| 22:09.20 | BucWheat2 | valdyn what is the proper way to do what i'm trying to accomplish ? |
| 22:09.21 | yoo | ok thank |
| 22:09.21 | valentinos | anyone knows a good howto for mmv ? |
| 22:09.22 | redduck666 | every time i boot i have to run "dhclient" to make my internet connection work, is there any way to store settings |
| 22:09.25 | yoo | i launch it |
| 22:09.34 | peterS | c4__: possibly. see if you're getting acceleration at all - 'glxinfo' will tell you. look for the 'OpenGL renderer string:' line |
| 22:09.39 | Eclipser | redduck666, man interfaces |
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| 22:09.46 | valdyn | BucWheat2: to start X manually with startx? sure |
| 22:09.53 | c4__ | Eclipser: yes, but integrated IGPs are not supported (at least two weeks ago) |
| 22:09.56 | peterS | c4__: it'll say whether you're using direct rendering or not |
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| 22:10.01 | Eclipser | c4__, oh |
| 22:10.19 | valdyn | BucWheat2: ok, i understand, you can do a startup script as you like, but |
| 22:10.30 | BucWheat2 | valdyn when computer boots up i want it to login a reg user then launch X |
| 22:10.40 | c4__ | ok... ill see that thing |
| 22:10.40 | valdyn | BucWheat2: i would just use gdm, and configure it ( via its gui config tool ) to log you in automatically |
| 22:10.42 | yoo | always the same |
| 22:11.02 | BucWheat2 | valdyn can xdm be configured to login auto. ? |
| 22:11.05 | valdyn | BucWheat2: thats not per se better, but requires much less work by you |
| 22:11.14 | valdyn | BucWheat2: i wouldnt know how |
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| 22:11.21 | Eclipser | entrance > any desktop manager :) |
| 22:11.24 | ian2_ | heya folks of #deiban, I've just done rootstrap and have a nice working uml, but I cant seem to remember the name of the package thats got all the libraries and headers and stuff. Couple apt-cache search'es arent too helpful. Anybody know the name of this package off the top of thier head? |
| 22:11.31 | yoo | " /var/logs =====> 1,5 G |
| 22:11.42 | c4__ | mmhhh... |
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| 22:11.52 | Ftroop | can i just say thanks to this channel for its help i have a great fully working box now :) |
| 22:11.59 | c4__ | peterS: direct rendering: NO |
| 22:12.11 | c4__ | that's bad? |
| 22:12.30 | Eclipser | you don't have hardware acceleration enabled |
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| 22:12.35 | BucWheat2 | valdyn k. i'll do some more tinkering |
| 22:12.42 | peterS | c4__: it means all your 3D stuff is being done in software, not making use of your radeon's 3D capabilities at all |
| 22:12.42 | c4__ | Eclipser: how do i? |
| 22:12.51 | c4__ | hehe |
| 22:13.13 | yoo | my log compress a lot of file user.log.3.gz daemon.log.6.gz etc......................; |
| 22:13.13 | c4__ | i knew that this board couldn't be so so so bad |
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| 22:13.28 | busboy | can i network 2 wired networks over any 2 wireless routers? |
| 22:13.29 | valdyn | BucWheat2: xdm is started via its sysvinit script/symlink in /etc/rcX.d/ |
| 22:13.32 | c4__ | Eclipser: some line in XF86Config-4? |
| 22:13.51 | valdyn | BucWheat2: remove the link to avoid it starting is one proper way |
| 22:14.15 | c4__ | how do you say "so so so bad"? but in one word |
| 22:14.23 | c4__ | ugly? |
| 22:14.28 | BucWheat2 | valdyn k. is there anyway to test my changes without having to reboot? |
| 22:14.30 | valdyn | c4_: fucked |
| 22:14.34 | Eclipser | c4__, are you certain that some linux driver supports Direct rendering on your card? |
| 22:14.34 | Phated | c4__: "crap". |
| 22:14.35 | c4__ | damn! |
| 22:14.45 | valdyn | BucWheat2: hmm, init 3? |
| 22:14.46 | c4__ | lol |
| 22:15.24 | c4__ | Eclipser: err... no (?), but some way to find out? |
| 22:15.28 | Eclipser | google |
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| 22:15.37 | c4__ | damn! i knew it! |
| 22:15.37 | abrotman | c4__: i recommend "Doh!" |
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| 22:15.51 | c4__ | that's homers shouting! |
| 22:15.58 | c4__ | Doh! |
| 22:15.59 | R4Ndom | What is the best program to send files to ftp servers? |
| 22:16.06 | Phated | ftp? |
| 22:16.11 | c4__ | R4Ndom: ftp |
| 22:16.12 | Eclipser | ncftp |
| 22:16.13 | R4Ndom | Yes |
| 22:16.14 | c4__ | hehe |
| 22:16.21 | c4__ | R4Ndom: or use mc |
| 22:16.22 | BucWheat2 | valdyn k. let me do some tinkering and try that |
| 22:16.25 | valdyn | BucWheat2: i forgot what the default runlevel is, init <runlevel> starts it |
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| 22:16.29 | Phated | Like... use ftp. |
| 22:16.36 | BucWheat2 | k |
| 22:16.42 | Eclipser | ncftp! |
| 22:16.57 | dsd__ | What are the names for the xorg-packages - i can't find them... |
| 22:17.04 | abrotman | dsd__: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 22:17.08 | Phated | dsd__: Read the topic. |
| 22:17.29 | c4__ | again, mosquitos will eat me |
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| 22:17.51 | dsd__ | thx for info |
| 22:17.53 | c4__ | fuck this jungle! |
| 22:18.50 | c4__ | Eclipser: what do i google?: ati render Xfree? |
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| 22:19.12 | Eclipser | chipname would be great too |
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| 22:19.21 | abrotman | or ask #ati ? |
| 22:19.45 | c4__ | ok |
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| 22:21.01 | ARCh1V1St | Which GPS receivers have driver modules built into Debian sarge? |
| 22:21.14 | ARCh1V1St | Im stuck with downgrading to 2.4 in order to use my holux GR230 |
| 22:21.18 | ARCh1V1St | which I dont want to do |
| 22:21.39 | ARCh1V1St | the pl2303 just doesntseem to work with it on 2.6.8-2.6.10 |
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| 22:23.04 | ARCh1V1St | any one with a GPS receiver working well with Debian, please give me suggestions on which receiver to get |
| 22:23.18 | BucWheat2 | where is rc.local in debian? |
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| 22:23.29 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 22:23.30 | dpkg | from memory, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't ... |
| 22:23.31 | pipeline | ARCh1V1St: Any serial receiver should be fine. |
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| 22:23.43 | ARCh1V1St | nice, so they dont need specific drivers? |
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| 22:23.49 | ARCh1V1St | gpsd just 'works' |
| 22:23.50 | ARCh1V1St | :::: |
| 22:23.51 | ARCh1V1St | :) |
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| 22:24.27 | ARCh1V1St | my holux needs the pl2303 to convert USB to serial, which is a pain... |
| 22:24.33 | ARCh1V1St | seems to require a kernel recompile |
| 22:24.33 | gilead | hi |
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| 22:25.27 | gilead | I upgraded to 2.6.10 and have problem with modules marked [permanent] -- I think that because one of them, via82cxxx, my soundblaster isn't detected and entire ALSA doesn't work. What does [permanent] mean (yes, I googled, no answers) and how to disable their loading on bootup (found no references to these modules in /etc)? |
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| 22:26.29 | DimmuR | Hi I've installed postfix with courer-imap and everything seems to be fine but I have no idea how to make imap to see messages that syslog (etc) sends to me via maildir. Any1 can give me hint how to make it works? |
| 22:27.25 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 22:27.25 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 22:27.33 | yoo | valdyn : it's ok with logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 22:27.44 | yoo | thank for your help ! |
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| 22:28.55 | ResQuad | Greetings and Salutations - I'm on the hunt for Nagios 2.0b2 (2.x-ish) Debian package - Any of you fine and knowledgeable people have any ideas where I can find said package? |
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| 22:29.46 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: Any gps received that conencts via the serial port |
| 22:29.48 | peterS | ResQuad: the usual place to look is http://backports.org/ |
| 22:30.07 | peterS | ResQuad: there is also http://apt-get.org/ |
| 22:30.20 | ResQuad | peterS: Search apt-get.org already with no avail |
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| 22:31.11 | cafuego | wtf is up with getting spammed about free sms *every* *day* ? |
| 22:31.12 | ResQuad | peterS: and sadly backports doesnt carry it either |
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| 22:31.25 | apo|| | can someone help me with this error...is a problem with my sata controller ...http://rafb.net/paste/results/iYCqvQ77.html |
| 22:31.41 | peterS | ResQuad: check http://bugs.debian.org/src:nagios and see if there have been any wishlist requests filed for nagios 2.x |
| 22:31.55 | peterS | ResQuad: that might be your best bet for finding out *why* it isn't in debian |
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| 22:32.50 | chrish01_ | is there a way to use static method in /etc/network/interfaces for the address 0.0.0.0 |
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| 22:33.16 | chrish01_ | this is specifically for a bridge that i just want up (so i dont have to do manual method) |
| 22:33.26 | ResQuad | peterS: good source, intresting - Not anything specific (or citical) as to why its not there. but alas |
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| 22:35.22 | cafuego | ooh, the progress bars in gnome changed to barber poles |
| 22:35.51 | ResQuad | peterS: Thanks for your help anyways, it appears no one likes Nagios (not even RPMfind.net carries it). There must be something similar, time to find it |
| 22:36.23 | peterS | ResQuad: yeah, I have no idea. debian has version 1.3-cvs-something |
| 22:36.40 | ResQuad | peterS: yea, but its a bit dated... oh well. thanks |
| 22:36.46 | peterS | ResQuad: in fact, the cvs thing is dated 20050116, which is just 2 months ago. so apparently the 1.3 branch was actively maintained quite recently |
| 22:37.02 | fortyoz | whats better to use for a desktop testing or unstable? |
| 22:37.12 | cafuego | fortyoz: testing |
| 22:37.14 | ResQuad | peterS: yes, 2.0 wsa released just after that I belive |
| 22:37.25 | fortyoz | cafuego: cool, thanks.. installing now ;) |
| 22:37.40 | mrhemlock | fortyoz, use testing unless you have a good reason to NOT use it ! |
| 22:37.47 | Fry|Debian | could anyone assist me with installing java? |
| 22:38.11 | Fry|Debian | is there a package that I can apt-get? |
| 22:38.15 | fortyoz | years ago i used unstable, before there was a testing, have had testing on my servers for a while, seems good |
| 22:38.27 | cafuego | Fry|Debian: Download the jre 1.5 .bin from sun (NOT the .rpm.bin) |
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| 22:38.38 | Seb | anyone using gmailfs in sarge (0.3-7) willing to try something out for me ? |
| 22:38.50 | cafuego | Fry|Debian: Then install java-package; and run 'make-jpkg jre_1.5.xxxx.bin' |
| 22:38.52 | Fry|Debian | Alright, that I know how to do, have done it before, was just hoping someone had made a deb by now |
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| 22:39.14 | cafuego | Fry|Debian: Simplky dpkg -i the deb that is generated. |
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| 22:39.42 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS! |
| 22:40.35 | BrianAnthony | can I get nvidia drivers from apt-get? |
| 22:40.59 | Fry|Debian | gah! I'm having problems with that too BrianAnthony |
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| 22:41.16 | Fry|Debian | download the drivers from the website, and follow the instructions they give...I have yet to get it to work though |
| 22:41.33 | chealer | !tell BrianAnthony about nvidia-howto |
| 22:41.53 | BrianAnthony | Fry|Debian: FUCK I just traded out my ATI card because I heard nVidia had better Linux support |
| 22:42.00 | BrianAnthony | or worked better, even |
| 22:42.02 | chealer | Fry|Debian: don't, follow the debian-nvidia howto unless you're under woody |
| 22:42.04 | fortyoz | BrianAnthony: it has good support.. |
| 22:42.16 | chealer | BrianAnthony: it does |
| 22:42.20 | chealer | AFAIK anyway |
| 22:42.21 | BrianAnthony | chealer: I'm under sarge |
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| 22:42.42 | chealer | although you won't have any free 3D acceleration with nvidia |
| 22:42.53 | chealer | BrianAnthony: follow the howto |
| 22:42.55 | jjazz | How do I tell how much memory a program is using? |
| 22:42.55 | fortyoz | BrianAnthony: check google to see if anyone has nvidia driver debs, it won't be in debian's main sources |
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| 22:43.07 | fortyoz | jjazz: ps ? |
| 22:43.09 | chealer | jjazz: use top |
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| 22:43.38 | jjazz | chealer: Some things apps spawn a bunch of processes... I want to know the total. Will top do that? |
| 22:43.40 | Ftroop | how do i change debconf frontend to dialog only and not kde? |
| 22:43.44 | chealer | fortyoz: no need, they're in sid non-free/contrib |
| 22:43.58 | jjazz | Ftroop: debconf --frontend=readlin |
| 22:44.02 | fortyoz | chealer: ah.. the sid debs work on testing? |
| 22:44.04 | jjazz | Ftroop: or something like that |
| 22:44.12 | jjazz | Ftroop: man debconf for more info |
| 22:44.15 | chealer | jjazz: sorry, I don't know how to evaluate shared memory use |
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| 22:44.20 | ARCh1V1St | thanks cafuego! ordering one up here shortly |
| 22:44.22 | chealer | fortyoz: yes |
| 22:44.24 | jjazz | chealer: ok thanks |
| 22:44.29 | fortyoz | jjazz: most are threads, each will show the total mem usage of all, use top |
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| 22:44.36 | Ftroop | cheers jjazz |
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| 22:44.38 | Golfgeo | hi all |
| 22:44.42 | gilead | I use kernel 2.6.10, modules are installed, rights to /dev entries seem ok, but I hear only left channels. No mixer (tried several) can find correct device, I'm new to 2.6, udev etc - what should I check? |
| 22:44.42 | jasz | i have a problem printing with Evolution... I received an email.. plain text... and when I do the "print preview" it shows me little rectangles instead of the characters of the text... I assume this is a problem with fonts.. how could I fix it? |
| 22:45.01 | jjazz | fortyoz: ok. Thanks. I'll read the man and figure it out |
| 22:45.06 | cafuego | ARCh1V1St: Do be SURE the application(s) you want to use it with support it. |
| 22:45.29 | jasz | of course.. when I hit "print" all that's printed are little boxes instead of text |
| 22:45.36 | cafuego | jjazz: Change the font in the prefs. |
| 22:45.37 | ARCh1V1St | yup, already have. |
| 22:45.39 | fortyoz | i just got cable modem installed today and it comes with a free VOIP line, neat. hope i can find linux software to make use of it ;) |
| 22:45.49 | Golfgeo | apt death? |
| 22:45.50 | apt | i heard death is what happens when you don't /msg, or the opposite of life |
| 22:45.50 | ARCh1V1St | gpsdrive looks very cool, cant wait to put it to use |
| 22:46.05 | ARCh1V1St | do I have ANY luck getting a bluetooth gps working on linux? |
| 22:46.07 | jasz | cafuego, .. was that for me? |
| 22:46.14 | Golfgeo | lol |
| 22:46.19 | jjazz | jasz: yes |
| 22:46.25 | Topclass | hi is there anyone here i could ask about base system install problems? |
| 22:46.26 | jasz | aight.. lemme check.. |
| 22:46.31 | ARCh1V1St | the one I have is great, but uses that damn prolific serial/usb convertor |
| 22:46.35 | ARCh1V1St | (module) |
| 22:46.49 | cafuego | jasz: You can have it (FREE) if you want it. |
| 22:46.55 | jjazz | Topclass: go ahead and ask. If somebody knows, they'll answer |
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| 22:47.17 | Topclass | when i do a net install i get to the base system install and it fails on the kernel |
| 22:47.20 | jasz | ? |
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| 22:47.50 | Topclass | it says the kernel im installing is the same as the one installed but its a fresh install and all partitions have been formatted so i dont understand this |
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| 22:48.52 | fortyoz | Topclass: skip the step? :d |
| 22:49.02 | valdyn_ | Topclass: the installer does some things and you can still select them later on, doesnt mean you should, theres no need to explicitely install a kernel |
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| 22:49.21 | rudson | can someone help me out? |
| 22:49.36 | rudson | how do i start the GUI under sarge? |
| 22:49.41 | rudson | (noooob) |
| 22:49.44 | gilead | Topclass: it fails, meaning refuses to go further, or just displays warning? |
| 22:49.54 | pipeline | rudson: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 22:49.58 | pipeline | rudson: or /etc/init.d/xdm |
| 22:50.00 | gilead | rudson: startx |
| 22:50.01 | Topclass | oh but if i carry on and install the bootloader then surly the system wont boot without a kernel and it throws me back to the main meni when i get that message |
| 22:50.05 | pipeline | rudson: or kdm, or what-have-you |
| 22:50.10 | rudson | starx does not do work |
| 22:50.13 | fortyoz | is thee a tool in sarge for configuring X? |
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| 22:50.20 | dasunt | Is there any way to send a X user logged into a machine a message? |
| 22:50.21 | rudson | ... |
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| 22:50.34 | Topclass | no tells me to repeat the step which does not work either |
| 22:50.35 | pipeline | fortyoz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 && dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 22:50.42 | fortyoz | thanks. |
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| 22:50.55 | gilead | Topclass: answer the question please, it's a warning or installer breaks? |
| 22:51.05 | c4__ | how do i install X.org? |
| 22:51.11 | BrianAnthony | the nvidia install how to that dpkg told me about doesn't have a module for my kernel flavour |
| 22:51.13 | pipeline | fortyoz: The second step (dexconf) is only necessary if you've modified XF86Config-4 |
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| 22:51.19 | pipeline | BrianAnthony: Don't use the nvidia installer. |
| 22:51.22 | fortyoz | k |
| 22:51.26 | BrianAnthony | and I'm just using -2-k7 |
| 22:51.33 | valdyn_ | BrianAnthony: get nvidia-kernel-source and |
| 22:51.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge footpain |
| 22:51.35 | jetscreamer | !tell c4__ about xorg |
| 22:51.36 | Topclass | gilead: it breaks because it says to repeat the step and throws me back to the main install menu |
| 22:51.37 | jetscreamer | hey c4 you're not justin are you |
| 22:51.40 | pipeline | BrianAnthony: Don't use the nvidia installer. Ask dpkg about "nvidia-howto" |
| 22:51.40 | gilead | BrianAnthony: ignore it, it'll compile one for you |
| 22:51.52 | rudson | pipeline: i dont know which i have |
| 22:51.57 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer "Just Works"(TM) |
| 22:52.02 | rudson | i just installed it and now it doesnt work |
| 22:52.03 | rudson | ... |
| 22:52.13 | pipeline | rudson: Install gdm and x-window-system-core, then. |
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| 22:52.30 | jetscreamer | !xwontstart |
| 22:52.30 | dpkg | modprobe mousedev sometimes helps, or looking at the log in /var/log sometimes helps too |
| 22:52.33 | valdyn_ | BrianAnthony: you can /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:53.04 | rudson | where do i get it and how... |
| 22:53.04 | Fry|Debian | :-/ |
| 22:53.09 | pipeline | rudson: the same way you install anything else |
| 22:53.26 | rudson | i never installed a thing... im a complete noob |
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| 22:53.35 | pipeline | rudson: Ah. Did the installer configure apt for you? |
| 22:53.50 | rudson | dont know... |
| 22:53.51 | jetscreamer | rudson, what do you want to install. |
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| 22:54.02 | rudson | testing distribution of debian |
| 22:54.09 | jetscreamer | rudson, does apt-get update connect you to the internet and do lthings? |
| 22:54.16 | pipeline | rudson: In Debian, all software comes from centralized depositories of software. "apt" is the system that manages that. |
| 22:54.33 | InitMass | how do i make xmms use /dev/dsp1 and skype use /dev/dsp with the help of esd? |
| 22:54.44 | rudson | it downloaded all those packages if that's what u mean |
| 22:54.52 | BrianAnthony | how do I get contrib and non-free |
| 22:55.05 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, add them after main |
| 22:55.09 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 22:55.09 | InitMass | BrianAnthony, add it to you /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:55.38 | rudson | please |
| 22:55.42 | jetscreamer | rudson, did you try typing: modprobe mousedev |
| 22:55.42 | pipeline | rudson: Then apt is probably configured right. Use "apt-get install <names of packages>" to get new software. |
| 22:56.04 | pipeline | jetscreamer: He's using testing, so he has hotplug by default. |
| 22:56.10 | jetscreamer | and rudson, did you choose the desktop environment thing in the tasksel portion? |
| 22:56.16 | jetscreamer | pipeline, yeah i know |
| 22:56.19 | jetscreamer | exactly |
| 22:56.22 | rudson | i think so |
| 22:56.26 | BrianAnthony | would it be like |
| 22:56.48 | BrianAnthony | deb *uri* contrib main |
| 22:56.58 | BrianAnthony | and deb *uri* non-free main |
| 22:57.03 | jetscreamer | gdm gives better error msg |
| 22:57.22 | jetscreamer | BrianAnthony, just add them after the word 'main' |
| 22:57.27 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Good lord I hate tasksel |
| 22:57.53 | jetscreamer | pipeline, d-i has a thing about mousedev not being loaded on_reboot, and borking x |
| 22:58.06 | pipeline | jetscreamer: That's bizarre |
| 22:58.20 | jetscreamer | worked 2 days ago fine though with a daily... rudson was this rc2 or a daily |
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| 22:59.12 | trend | hello |
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| 22:59.39 | jetscreamer | *rc2 js*(no doubt, even though it says in big letters on the webpage use a daily) |
| 22:59.43 | trend | anyone know of an ISO mirror for the latest rev of debian stable? |
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| 22:59.56 | eleveniseven | i need to know how to add user access to certain files for read write and execute... |
| 22:59.59 | anitech | how do you change the topic? |
| 22:59.59 | pipeline | jetscreamer: The mousedev thing shouldn't be an issue though; why would d-i interfere with hotplug? |
| 23:00.03 | pipeline | eleveniseven: man chmod |
| 23:00.09 | pipeline | anitech: /topic |
| 23:00.09 | eleveniseven | ok... |
| 23:00.14 | anitech | thanks |
| 23:00.31 | eleveniseven | i log in as root and enter that command |
| 23:00.40 | jetscreamer | pipeline, i just know what happens, not why. repeated it so much(and fixed thier prob) i made afactoid |
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| 23:00.55 | anitech | like /topic topicname ? |
| 23:01.18 | anitech | its not werkin ;( |
| 23:01.24 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.33 | anitech | sorry I am stupid |
| 23:01.37 | pipeline | anitech: Maybe you don't have permission to change the topic. |
| 23:01.46 | jetscreamer | there is that too |
| 23:01.46 | eleveniseven | so my command to add access to a particular directory would look like...what |
| 23:01.46 | anitech | nah im the op |
| 23:01.58 | anitech | I just havent been on irc for years |
| 23:02.07 | jetscreamer | like the examples you see when you man chmod? |
| 23:02.07 | trend | anyone know of an ISO mirror for the latest rev of debian stable? I live in Georgia, USA |
| 23:02.08 | pipeline | eleveniseven: It would look like you reading the man page. |
| 23:02.10 | anitech | forgot all the commands |
| 23:02.27 | pipeline | trend: there are none |
| 23:02.31 | jetscreamer | chmod 7777 user:group /path/to/thingy |
| 23:02.42 | jetscreamer | add -R to taste |
| 23:02.46 | valdyn_ | trend: www.debian.org - look! |
| 23:02.52 | eleveniseven | ok, i didnt realize it would give me more info when i did that |
| 23:03.01 | jetscreamer | hey that's a definite trend you have there... debian.org |
| 23:03.08 | streuner | trend: use netinstall (/msg dpkg netinstall) and run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' - same effect |
| 23:03.09 | trend | valdyn_ i already am |
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| 23:03.19 | eleveniseven | anyone here ran xandros... |
| 23:03.33 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner---|||---|||---> |
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| 23:03.45 | trend | streuner cool.. thanks i will |
| 23:03.47 | streuner | !xandros |
| 23:03.47 | dpkg | hmm... xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 23:03.53 | jetscreamer | he specifically asked for woody/stable |
| 23:03.58 | pipeline | eleveniseven: You see, xandros isn't debian. |
| 23:04.04 | eleveniseven | oh |
| 23:04.05 | eleveniseven | ok |
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| 23:04.10 | streuner | jetscreamer: yeah, i know ;-) |
| 23:04.17 | jetscreamer | o |
| 23:04.17 | eleveniseven | i am running libranet |
| 23:04.21 | eleveniseven | i like it so far |
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| 23:04.28 | jetscreamer | i'm running out of cars |
| 23:04.37 | streuner | eleveniseven: run debian and we can help you |
| 23:04.38 | pipeline | eleveniseven: libranet is also not debian. Install debian. |
| 23:04.48 | pipeline | !tell eleveniseven about d-i |
| 23:05.03 | eleveniseven | isnt it based from debian... |
| 23:05.11 | jetscreamer | just install apt and add debian sources |
| 23:05.20 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 23:05.47 | valdyn_ | !based on |
| 23:05.50 | streuner | !based on debian |
| 23:05.50 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 23:05.55 | jetscreamer | see if it breaks.. if it doesn't, maybe it really was like debian |
| 23:05.58 | c4__ | what does ati earn for not support 3d in igps? |
| 23:06.04 | to_ | hi what is the package to read real player flux in firefox? |
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| 23:06.34 | Froggy9000 | hi |
| 23:06.42 | eleveniseven | ok. no more questions. |
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| 23:07.07 | Froggy9000 | what's the best First person shooter |
| 23:07.16 | jetscreamer | quake3 |
| 23:07.19 | jetscreamer | d3 |
| 23:07.20 | gilead | Froggy9000: Quake |
| 23:07.28 | jetscreamer | anything made by id |
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| 23:07.30 | RolandU | hi all! If my network-card says "10 MB/sec" - does that mean, it's supposed to transfer with 10240 kb/s? |
| 23:07.37 | jetscreamer | depending on your hardware |
| 23:07.43 | asuffield | serious sam 2. "Never underestimate the danger of stupid things in large numbers" |
| 23:07.47 | c4__ | Froggy9000: dukem nukem 3d |
| 23:07.51 | RolandU | I can't even reach 1 mb/s |
| 23:07.59 | c4__ | let's kick some ass and chu buble gum |
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| 23:08.21 | jetscreamer | i'm all out of bubble gum |
| 23:08.28 | valdyn_ | RolandU: are you mixing up megabyte and megabit? |
| 23:08.31 | gilead | RolandU: don't mix MB and Mb -- most probably you've got 10 Mb card (10 megaBITS) which should be able to transfer 1 MB (megaBYTE) per second |
| 23:08.48 | jetscreamer | ahhhh thankee gilead |
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| 23:09.57 | RolandU | oh, was that bits? |
| 23:10.09 | jetscreamer | my 10/100 only gets up to about 6MB locally |
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| 23:10.30 | RolandU | so my lan card isn't even able to handle my ISPs web speed? |
| 23:11.05 | valdyn_ | RolandU: whats your isps speed? |
| 23:11.11 | jetscreamer | sure it can |
| 23:11.23 | gilead | Fresh Debian install, kernel 2.6.10, default config, ALSA modules are installed, rights to /dev entries seem ok, but I hear only left channels. No mixer (tried several) can find 'the device', I'm new to 2.6, udev etc - what should I check? |
| 23:11.35 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 23:11.35 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-bork was modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 23:12.22 | jetscreamer | default alsa install < default oss install | quality |
| 23:12.28 | RolandU | valdyn_, 1024 kbit/sec |
| 23:12.29 | jetscreamer | && ease |
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| 23:12.37 | BrianAnthony | I can't get the nvidia files from apt-get they're not there. even after adding the contrib and non-free |
| 23:12.44 | jetscreamer | s/ease/ease of use/ |
| 23:12.49 | chealer | BrianAnthony: you have sid sources? |
| 23:12.54 | BrianAnthony | no |
| 23:13.10 | valdyn_ | RolandU: and 10 _mega_ bit is ~10000 kbit/sec |
| 23:13.13 | jetscreamer | ah not in sarge because sarge wants to be stable |
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| 23:13.19 | RolandU | oh, right |
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| 23:13.26 | chealer | BrianAnthony: you need them, read the HOWTO |
| 23:13.27 | BrianAnthony | should I add nother apt source and replace testing with sid? |
| 23:13.32 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 23:13.36 | ribnitz | BrianAnthony: install module-assistant, and do it yourself? |
| 23:13.38 | jetscreamer | packages.debian.org |
| 23:13.48 | gilead | jetscreamer: thanks, but didn't help |
| 23:13.56 | Albacker | does syslog-ng log the kernel logs ? |
| 23:13.58 | chealer | BrianAnthony: yes that will do BUT set a default release or you will have big problems |
| 23:14.01 | chrish01_ | anyone know how to do unnumbered interfaces in the debian interfaces file? |
| 23:14.05 | RolandU | thanks |
| 23:14.08 | ribnitz | BrianAnthony: they have to be done for your specific kernel version |
| 23:14.09 | chealer | !tell BrianAnthony about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 23:14.09 | RolandU | cya |
| 23:14.27 | valdyn_ | Albacker: sure |
| 23:15.21 | gilead | argh, looks like I'll need to go back to 2.4 for another year :-( |
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| 23:15.41 | jetscreamer | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run -aK --no-network --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 23:15.51 | jetscreamer | done |
| 23:15.51 | valdyn_ | gilead: 2.6 has oss aswell |
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| 23:16.07 | gilead | valdyn_: heh, but it sounds like... errr.. very bad :-) |
| 23:16.11 | pipeline | gilead, valdyn_: But WHY would you want OSS? |
| 23:16.28 | gilead | pipeline: I want ALSA only, nothing else |
| 23:16.34 | jetscreamer | oss is a lot better than alsa, qualitywise and ease of use... and before you say no it's not, tell that to my ears yesterday |
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| 23:16.50 | gilead | precisely, ALSA mixer as the sound is there, just not regulated |
| 23:16.57 | pipeline | jetscreamer: I don't have a rolleyes big enough. |
| 23:17.09 | dabreegster | I was wondering if there was some way to map a key through a console keymap to execute a command. There are builtin functions like Console_x and so on and sending keycodes like ^k and having readline catch them is hard. |
| 23:17.18 | jetscreamer | apt-get install alsa-base and redo discover&hotplug |
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| 23:17.27 | jetscreamer | redo/rerun |
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| 23:17.29 | dabreegster | Either that or some way to map one key to do several builtin actions. |
| 23:17.47 | jetscreamer | having alsa-base tells hotplug(and discover i think) to blacklist oss |
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| 23:17.54 | Patad | hey |
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| 23:17.59 | jetscreamer | and it 'Just Worked'(TM) |
| 23:18.07 | dabreegster | jetscreamer: actually, the oss module for the ess allegro-1 card is cleaner-sounding than the alsa module |
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| 23:18.09 | jetscreamer | but like i said, alsa sounded really sucky |
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| 23:18.36 | valdyn_ | jetscreamer: thats probably not alsas fault though |
| 23:18.36 | jetscreamer | dabreegster, emu10k1 here, oss quality was better for it |
| 23:18.42 | gilead | jetscreamer: thanks for help, but saying oss sounds better than alsa is one of the weirdest things I ever heard :-) |
| 23:18.46 | jetscreamer | valdyn_, no idea |
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| 23:19.13 | jetscreamer | gilead, it just did. it's reproducible too. |
| 23:19.22 | jetscreamer | here on this box this card |
| 23:19.30 | jetscreamer | and these nice speakers |
| 23:19.39 | jetscreamer | all6 |
| 23:19.45 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Dumbass. Lower your volume. |
| 23:19.57 | dabreegster | Anyway, where can I find some advanced tricks for console keymaps? The manpages don't tell me how to map one key to several functions or a shell command. |
| 23:19.58 | jetscreamer | it wasn't maxed |
| 23:19.58 | gilead | jetscreamer: dunno, maybe hardware, I tried on several machines and difference was so huge that oss was just not an option anymore |
| 23:19.59 | pipeline | jetscreamer: OSS constrains the mixer so that you can't set the volume high enough to get distortion. |
| 23:20.08 | valdyn_ | alsa doesnt always get frequencies right, 441000 hz vs 48000, thats just one issue you have to fix manually |
| 23:20.21 | pipeline | jetscreamer: Experiment with lowering various volumes. e.g. PCM, Wavout, master |
| 23:20.22 | gilead | ok |
| 23:20.26 | zadok2k | anybody using zenlinux |
| 23:20.32 | jetscreamer | yeah iirc that 44vs 48 was an emu10k1 gotcha... never tried it |
| 23:20.33 | pipeline | jetscreamer: I have an emu10k1 card, I'm very happy with ALSA. |
| 23:20.35 | ribnitz | dabreegster: thats usually not odne in console.. |
| 23:20.53 | gilead | pipeline: what kernel? 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 23:20.54 | jetscreamer | pipeline, i'll check it out next time i put alsa back then |
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| 23:21.02 | pipeline | gilead: Both |
| 23:21.03 | jetscreamer | 2.6 here |
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| 23:21.21 | valdyn_ | gilead: youre aware that you are free to use the same alsa in 2.6 that you use in 2.4? |
| 23:21.21 | dabreegster | ribnitz: there's no way to make control+b execute /bin/ls without resorting to readline? Or having it do Console_4 and send 'ls' |
| 23:21.26 | jetscreamer | gilead, you might look around the snd modules with modconf |
| 23:21.41 | valdyn_ | gilead: in other words, yuo can use the alsa-source package for both, dont have to use the stuff in kernel tree |
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| 23:21.53 | alesandro | gf[ |
| 23:21.55 | zadok2k | hey, anybody using zenlinux here!! |
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| 23:21.58 | gilead | valdyn_: I used Debian packages with 2.4 |
| 23:21.59 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:22.05 | gilead | ok, will try that after reboot |
| 23:22.06 | jetscreamer | there is no zenlinux |
| 23:22.09 | ribnitz | dabreegster: the ony thing I can think of is modifying things as to compose characters, but thats different. |
| 23:22.10 | jetscreamer | it died |
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| 23:22.18 | valdyn_ | gilead: oh, precompiled ones? you would have to compile them for 2.6 |
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| 23:22.30 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: horrible, isnt it? |
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| 23:22.41 | pipeline | zadok2k: No, this is #debian. |
| 23:22.43 | pipeline | !based on |
| 23:23.13 | zadok2k | yeh, zenlinux is debian unstable |
| 23:23.18 | ribnitz | Anyone here listen tzo music? - Are there any progressive (rock) groups left? |
| 23:23.34 | pipeline | zadok2k: Clearly it's not, because debian unstable is called "sid" |
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| 23:23.48 | pipeline | zadok2k: If it's not at www.debian.org, it's not debian. |
| 23:23.50 | ribnitz | Or did they all go they way of the dodo? |
| 23:23.52 | dabreegster | Is there a website or article that gives lots of advanced info for consoles? Like ANSI color, vt management, and screen/keyboard handling? |
| 23:24.09 | pipeline | ribnitz: omg but tool is so aw3some !!!11! |
| 23:24.13 | Eclipser | dabreegster, google |
| 23:24.19 | pipeline | dabreegster: termcap |
| 23:24.23 | ribnitz | pipeline: tool? |
| 23:24.25 | dabreegster | Eclipser: been there, done that |
| 23:24.27 | dabreegster | pipeline: alright |
| 23:24.46 | pipeline | ribnitz: tool, the last bastion of top-40 cock-waving prog rock? |
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| 23:25.10 | jetscreamer | the zen of sid |
| 23:25.16 | jetscreamer | by claude bauls |
| 23:25.52 | jetscreamer | ah crud no smokes |
| 23:27.09 | zadok2k | pipeline: just looking for answers! sorry! the site says 100% compatible with "unstable" |
| 23:27.15 | calin | !d-i |
| 23:27.15 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 23:27.26 | ribnitz | pipeline: just listening to Alan parsons project, and kinda sad they split up. |
| 23:27.56 | pipeline | zadok2k: If they say they're 100% compatible, but they're not hosted at debian.org, they're lying :P |
| 23:28.02 | Eclipser | is the installer going to be on sarge stable release? |
| 23:28.11 | zadok2k | gotcha! thanks |
| 23:28.17 | pipeline | zadok2k: Seriously, though, sorry to bite your head off. Debian is by far the most-forked distribution, and folks come in here asking for help with their broken-ass systems all the time. |
| 23:28.23 | ribnitz | Eclipser: if sarge ever gets to that point, yes. |
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| 23:28.54 | Eclipser | I wish it does though... can't wait to try new testing :D |
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| 23:29.20 | ribnitz | Eclipser: no one is holding you back. |
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| 23:29.31 | zadok2k | no doubt, its cool. Thanks again |
| 23:29.38 | ribnitz | Eclipser: I run testing on all my boxes. |
| 23:29.48 | gilead | thanks guys! I don't know what exactly helped, but after reboot everything works smooth ;-) Thanks a LOT! :-) |
| 23:29.51 | ribnitz | Eclipser: except my home box. |
| 23:29.59 | Eclipser | me too... except the two which have MSDOS :) |
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| 23:30.29 | dasunt | DOS! |
| 23:30.36 | pipeline | Yes, DOS. |
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| 23:31.13 | Eclipser | me and my roommate set up two computers with MSDOS6.22 with network to play old games :) |
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| 23:31.42 | pipeline | dasunt: Eh, just use FreeDOS. MS-DOS isn't worth the trouble anymore :P |
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| 23:31.50 | pipeline | dasunt: DR-DOS is available for free, too, if you know where to look |
| 23:31.51 | s3itz | DOOM III for the XBox will provide the original DOOM w/ network support |
| 23:31.58 | s3itz | I want it JUST for that lol |
| 23:32.04 | chrish01_ | dos on xen would be interesting |
| 23:32.05 | Eclipser | pipeline, freedos didn't like us |
| 23:32.35 | calin | dd: writing to `/dev/fd0': Input/output error |
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| 23:32.44 | calin | Why is that happening? |
| 23:32.50 | chrish01_ | calin: bad hardware? |
| 23:32.52 | dasunt | I liked DOS 6.22, and while I'm normally against piracy, I don't see a reason why not to pirate software I have paid for. |
| 23:33.05 | calin | floppy drive is goof |
| 23:33.07 | Taraxacum | i am looking for a nes emulator that supports cheat codes... |
| 23:33.16 | doub | dasunt: i don't know about your country, but here it's not illegal, you have paid for it |
| 23:33.26 | Taraxacum | game genie codes...so far i haven't found one |
| 23:33.26 | chrish01_ | calin: could you copy your dd line to channel? |
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| 23:33.29 | MrFreeze^ | when my hard disk have done that, it will die 2weeks after input/output |
| 23:33.36 | Eclipser | pipeline, it was quite fun to optimize memory usage and stuff on msdos6.22 :) |
| 23:33.45 | Eclipser | I managed to get all my drivers to high memory |
| 23:33.46 | dasunt | doub: In the US, its technically illegal, but I've never heard it prosecuted. |
| 23:33.47 | pipeline | Eclipser: Bitch goddess of memory management. |
| 23:33.48 | calin | zion:/fat32# dd if=/fat32/boot.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 23:33.57 | doub | dasunt: it's not the software you pay for, it's the right to use it |
| 23:34.07 | pipeline | doub: Read your licenses. Actually, you pay for both. |
| 23:34.09 | Eclipser | with networking, sounds and mouse of course |
| 23:34.14 | gce | any idea how I fix - gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found when using debmirror. It just recently started doing this |
| 23:34.15 | chrish01_ | calin: that looks like disk/drive error |
| 23:34.23 | calin | damn =\ |
| 23:34.25 | chrish01_ | make sure the disk isnt write protected |
| 23:34.31 | calin | it isn't |
| 23:34.32 | pipeline | doub: In the U.S. and Europe, you have fair use rights to make personal copies, not accept other people's personal copies. At least on most software. Some licenses make more exceptions. |
| 23:34.35 | ribnitz | doub: If you have a copy lying around, you are allowed to use that. |
| 23:35.15 | calin | I've tried about 7-9 floppies and it still doesn't work |
| 23:35.32 | ribnitz | pipeline: when they introduce software patent legislation, then you'll only have the right to queue up for execution left.. |
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| 23:35.56 | chrish01_ | calin: to test, take a *good* floppy and dd it to your machine as an image file. then try to loopback mount that image |
| 23:36.03 | gnufan | pipeline, No such thing as "fair use" over in the UK |
| 23:37.00 | rudson | does debian come with kde? |
| 23:37.09 | dasunt | doub: Technically untrue in the US -- which makes MAME roms illegal even if you own the board. |
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| 23:37.13 | jazzka | hi! |
| 23:37.17 | Eclipser | rudson, apt-get install kde |
| 23:37.18 | dabreegster | rudson: yes |
| 23:37.19 | ribnitz | gnufan: lets emigrate to some rogue country where they don't know what a computer is.. |
| 23:37.22 | doub | pipeline: i might be wrong, but as far as i know, here in france, you pay for the media, which you therefore own, and the right to use the software (which you don't own) |
| 23:37.44 | dasunt | Great idea, current implimentatin sucks. |
| 23:38.06 | TerminX | doub: that's how it works in most other places too |
| 23:38.11 | jazzka | how to boot a linux installed on an external usb hard disk in a computer without usb boot enabled? |
| 23:38.23 | dasunt | jazzka: Floppy drive? |
| 23:38.24 | jazzka | any idea? |
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| 23:38.38 | jazzka | dasunt, no, I've no floppy drive |
| 23:38.54 | gnufan | jazzka, bios upgrade ? ;) |
| 23:38.55 | dasunt | A friend of mine had a laptop that wouldn't boot directly off of the HDD -- we put the kernel on a boot floppy and used that. |
| 23:39.03 | dasunt | jazzka: CD boot? |
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| 23:39.22 | jazzka | dasunt, CD boot IS available ;) |
| 23:39.22 | Eclipser | damn I hate this packet loss |
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| 23:39.58 | jazzka | gnufan, bios upgrade is not possible |
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| 23:40.01 | pipeline | doub: I doubt you have the rights you think you do. You're free to copy those media as much as you like, for personal use. |
| 23:40.06 | pipeline | doub: You can't take other people's backup media |
| 23:40.08 | dasunt | In emacs, what is the keystrokes to save a file. |
| 23:40.15 | pipeline | dasunt: ctrl + X + S |
| 23:40.24 | dasunt | ^X + S then? |
| 23:40.29 | rudson | so does the "testing" come with kde? |
| 23:40.36 | pipeline | dasunt: no, ^X -> ^S |
| 23:40.47 | dvs | dasunt: No, ^X, S |
| 23:40.49 | pipeline | rudson: no, but KDE is available. |
| 23:40.51 | jazzka | dasunt, do you know any boot CD able to boot a usb device? |
| 23:40.52 | dasunt | Thanks. |
| 23:41.10 | pipeline | jazzka: a normal boot CD would work if it were going to work at all |
| 23:41.23 | gnufan | pipeline, I think you may be surprised by recent changes in copyright law, if they have technical measures to prevent copying you may not be allowed to make private backups in the US or Europe. |
| 23:41.23 | dasunt | jazzka: you make a boot 'floppy' image with the kernel on it, etc. Then you point that to use the floppy. |
| 23:41.32 | pipeline | gnufan: That's a U.S. specific issue |
| 23:41.41 | jazzka | dasunt, I have no floppy drive |
| 23:41.42 | dasunt | IIRC, a bootable CD works by 'faking' a floppy. |
| 23:41.43 | jazzka | :( |
| 23:41.57 | dasunt | ER, point that to use USB. |
| 23:42.04 | pipeline | jazzka: boot over ethernet |
| 23:42.19 | gnufan | pipeline, why US specific? The EU has a copyright directive, some countries even implemented it, but it is likely it's terms are enforcable |
| 23:42.22 | dasunt | At which point, if you are booting from CD and using a USB drive, Knoppix can do the former and save settings to the later. |
| 23:42.23 | jazzka | pipeline, and then? |
| 23:42.31 | pipeline | jazzka: And install normally |
| 23:42.53 | doub | pipeline: yes, you're right, it's technically illegal. but as there is no difference between say, my neighbour's copy of MacOS, and mine, they'll have to catch you at the time you're copying it to prove you're doing something illegal |
| 23:43.02 | doub | pipeline: but, that's technically illegal |
| 23:43.06 | jazzka | I have already installed linux on the external hard drive (usb), but can not boot it |
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| 23:43.45 | pipeline | doub: Well, it's only technically illegal to pirate it entirely. |
| 23:43.50 | pipeline | doub: We were discussing technicalities. |
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| 23:45.15 | cafuego | jazzka: if you can boot a usb device, you can simply use syslinux and an iso. |
| 23:45.40 | pipeline | jazzka: ah, then you would need pxegrub. |
| 23:45.47 | doub | pipeline: that doesn't prevent this law from being quite stupid, applied to computer data. what's the difference from backing up my version or my neighbour's ? |
| 23:45.57 | cliechti | when i try to compile a kernel module, i get these warnings "*** Warning: "cleanup_module" [....ko] undefined!" (same for init_module), is that a problem? |
| 23:46.04 | pipeline | doub: What's the difference between pirating it and buying it? It's all pretty stupid. |
| 23:46.13 | cafuego | cliechti: yes |
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| 23:46.34 | cafuego | cliechti: Whatever module is generating that warning, won't work. |
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| 23:46.48 | jazzka | cafuego: the point is that I cannot boot a usb device, I can boot hard disks, cd rom and ethernet |
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| 23:47.00 | doub | pipeline: i'm not talking about pirating here. that's assuming you have paid for it at first |
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| 23:47.21 | pipeline | doub: Copying your neighbors copy for use with your license is just as much piracy as not having bought it at all. There's no legal distinction. |
| 23:47.41 | cliechti | cafuego, ok, any idea what i can do to solve that? i get these on two debian unstable boxes with kernel 2.6.9 and .10 |
| 23:47.49 | cafuego | pipeline: But you pay money for the LICENSE, not the actual software. |
| 23:47.53 | Scrape | Hey there... Got a question about the backuppc package. How do I enable NetBIOS names so that it can find DHCP hosts? |
| 23:48.15 | doub | pipeline: yes, but that's impossible to prove |
| 23:48.16 | pipeline | cafuego: Yes, nevertheless, if you lose your media, you contact the software creator. If it doesn't exist any more, you're just shit out of luck. Isn't copyright law fun? |
| 23:48.19 | AnguS | if [ "$LINK" = "yes" | "SSL_LINK" = "yes" & "SERVICES" = "yes" ]; then <- i guess i'm mixing php into this shell script hehe, how do i specify multiple options in an 'if' statements with OR and AND? |
| 23:48.34 | pipeline | doub: It's also pretty hard to prove that you didn't buy something that you pirated and used a keygen to crack. |
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| 23:49.04 | cafuego | pipeline: Well, that directory with 200-odd keygens would be a fair indication ;-) |
| 23:49.17 | cafuego | cliechti: make sure you start with a *clean* kernel. |
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| 23:49.32 | pipeline | cafuego: Heh, circumstantial evidence probably would hold in a U.S. civil court. |
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| 23:49.54 | cafuego | AnguS: You alsmostc ertainly want '||' and '&&'. |
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| 23:50.48 | cliechti | cafuego, the kernel was apt-geted (kernel-image and -headers, e.g. 2.6.10-1-686 from sid) |
| 23:50.57 | doub | pipeline: if it's cracked, it can be proven too (modified binaries) |
| 23:51.05 | AnguS | cafuego: nice :D |
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| 23:51.10 | cafuego | cliechti: and the module? |
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| 23:52.20 | cafuego | doub: Those binaries weren't modified, there was a power outage when I started $APP and the disk had an error. |
| 23:52.32 | cliechti | cafuego, i get that even the first time i compile it after untaring the sources, as well after a "make clean". i also have these warning for two different projects |
| 23:52.53 | cafuego | cliechti: WHich module is generating that error? |
| 23:52.55 | jazzka | well, what I need is a boot-cd prepared to boot a full linux system installed on an usb hard-drive, isn't it easy? |
| 23:53.31 | cafuego | jazzka: Remove hdd from enclosure, insert into PC, boot. |
| 23:53.38 | doub | cafuego: i don't know about US, but here in france the law has special provisions reguarding people trying to trick the judges |
| 23:54.00 | cafuego | doub: I don't know (or care) about the US. |
| 23:54.03 | doub | cafuego: your charges go up quickly |
| 23:54.03 | Ronin | cafuego: and if its not a removable drive? we have several of those at work |
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| 23:54.08 | pipeline | doub: That would be why you would use a keygen. |
| 23:54.18 | cafuego | doub: France is a very special case though, even using rot13 is technically illegal there. |
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| 23:54.42 | cafuego | Ronin: With a screwdriver, all drives are removable. |
| 23:54.49 | jazzka | cafuego: how? |
| 23:55.11 | ribnitz | jazzka: open case, take out drive :) |
| 23:55.11 | doub | cafuego: it was, but now they relaxed the law |
| 23:55.15 | Ronin | cafuego: maybe, somehow i seem to recall these puppies being well sealed, gives me somethign to take in either case next week |
| 23:55.35 | doub | cafuego: you *could* use any encryption you like, only if you were allowed by the prime minister |
| 23:55.39 | cafuego | Ronin: /dev/hammer |
| 23:55.48 | cliechti | cafuego, /home/lch/wis-go7007-linux-0.9.3/kernel/go7007-usb.ko for example and all 11 other mods from that project (plextor pvr drivers, yes, TV not a cdrecorder) |
| 23:55.52 | Ronin | cafuego: if in doubt use a bigger /dev/hammer |
| 23:55.52 | doub | cafuego: that for shure includes giving him the key |
| 23:55.55 | jazzka | ribnitz, well is a notebook, it needs to connect through usb |
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| 23:56.25 | cafuego | doub: See, here in Australia nobody cares, as long as you don't have any child pornography. If you have that, a lynch mob will kill you. (Retarded christians) |
| 23:56.30 | ribnitz | doub: does onyx ring a bell? |
| 23:56.51 | cafuego | doub: Don't you mean it includes giving him "a" key ;-) ? |
| 23:56.58 | Ronin | must reread cafuego last statement |
| 23:57.25 | Ronin | nope still doesnt read right in my demented head |
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| 23:59.23 | Patad | hmm how can i fix dpkg when it says it was interrupted |
| 23:59.25 | cafuego | Ronin: Australia doesn't seem to give a toss about digital copyright infingement. However, if you have child pornography here, MORAL PANIC will spead and you will be lynched and sent to jail, only to be lynched AGAIN after you serve your sentence. |
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| 23:59.37 | doub | cafuego: that would have placed you in a difficult position : letting him know you were using cypher, and being a danger for the nation |
| 23:59.38 | Ronin | cafuego: and the problem there is what? |
| 23:59.45 | doub | ribnitz: dont know, what's onyx ? |
| 23:59.50 | pipeline | cafuego: Funny, that's how it works in the U.S. |
| 23:59.52 | cafuego | Ronin: Double standards on crime. |
| 23:59.59 | *** part/#debian Osric (~osric@82-39-105-91.cable.ubr02.newy.blueyonder.co.uk) |
